| 00:01.09 | JyZyXEL | the only other option to detect removal is to use the ENV{} attributes of the device but their not individual enough |
| 00:01.33 | JyZyXEL | udev end up executing the RUN like 4 times in parallel |
| 00:01.47 | JyZyXEL | so even with lock file its impossible to prevent it from running more than once |
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| 00:02.56 | JyZyXEL | are there any ways to detect and block such parallel execution of executable? |
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| 00:03.47 | diegows_ | hi, is there any documentation about preseeding a whole disk encrypted installation? an example may be? |
| 00:03.48 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: The general method is via a PIDfile or lockfile. That's how SysVInit scripts do it. See also monit. |
| 00:04.01 | JyZyXEL | lock files aren't fast enough |
| 00:04.30 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: What's the application? And how fast does it have to be? |
| 00:04.59 | JyZyXEL | bash so its automatically slow as shit |
| 00:05.32 | jordanm | make a new file called local-changes.conf or something and add the blacklist to thaton. |
| 00:05.32 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how fast udev runs but its probably insanely fucking fast |
| 00:05.35 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: You're going to have to be a bit m ore specific than that. |
| 00:06.46 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: The way lockfile usage runs is: you test for lockfile, you create lockfile via a method that fails if the lockfile exists (getting around race conditions). Failure of either of these results in failure to launch. You then launch process. Clean up later. |
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| 00:07.27 | JyZyXEL | yea but implemented in bash thats not fast enough to detect if you run the script multiple times in parallel |
| 00:07.28 | mshadle | i have a package marked as "pi" for purge, but installed - how can i fix it so it is back to "ii" ? it's still installed, i tried to purge it but it failed because of a dependency. |
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| 00:07.46 | mshadle | i cant reinstall it properly without somehow finding the .deb |
| 00:08.04 | karsten-nr | mshadle: Debian package or 3rd-party? |
| 00:08.19 | mshadle | standard repo packages |
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| 00:08.35 | karsten-nr | mshadle: Should be in the package pool then |
| 00:08.43 | mshadle | how can i get the .deb file? |
| 00:09.02 | mshadle | apt-get source gets me the source stuff. not the deb |
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| 00:09.43 | karsten-nr | mshadle: apt-get -d install <package> |
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| 00:10.08 | karsten-nr | mshadle: You can directly ftp to your Debian package repo and browse teh pool for the version you have installed. |
| 00:10.11 | fishcooker | i've just install some debian package |
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| 00:10.21 | he2 | abrotman: xfce4 |
| 00:10.22 | fishcooker | but i don't know the location of the binaries |
| 00:10.27 | mshadle | yeah... kinda dont want to manually dig for 4-5 different oens ;) |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | he2: nevermind, i saw, you got a decent answer |
| 00:10.41 | mshadle | -d didn't work :/ |
| 00:10.46 | karsten-nr | mshadle: Life's a bitch. |
| 00:10.48 | he2 | abrotman: thanks, any way |
| 00:11.03 | karsten-nr | mshadle: You can specify a specific version as well in your aptitude line. |
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| 00:11.06 | fishcooker | how to locat the binaries |
| 00:11.31 | mshadle | -d says it's already installed and updated/latest |
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| 00:11.40 | karsten-nr | mshadle: man aptitude, search "To select a particular version of the package" |
| 00:11.54 | nsadmin | so if you get the source you can build yourself a package |
| 00:12.03 | karsten-nr | mshadle: aptitude install mypackage=<version> |
| 00:12.13 | heg | Moving with the mouse cursor over a link, button, menu option etc, it's executed automatically without clicking. How i can stop that? |
| 00:12.15 | karsten-nr | mshadle: eg: aptitude install apt=0.3.1 |
| 00:12.28 | karsten-nr | mshadle: Force. RTFM. |
| 00:12.41 | karsten-nr | mshadle: ... or reinstall. I think that's what it wants. |
| 00:13.07 | mshadle | i'm trying to force. or reinstall. (i can't reinstall as it won't let me remove it first) |
| 00:13.13 | karsten-nr | mshadle: "aptitude reinstall mypackage=<version>" should do it. |
| 00:13.27 | karsten-nr | mshadle: If that fails, pastebin the errors. |
| 00:13.49 | mshadle | since it's only one line - trying reinstall - You can only specify a package version with an 'install' command or a 'forbid-version' command. |
| 00:14.00 | mshadle | just reinstall worked though. |
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| 00:14.10 | mshadle | typically i use apt-get.. i guess i'll have to start messing with aptitude itself |
| 00:14.29 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all. I've got two X issues. I'm on debian testing atm and whenever I exit X, the screen still stays the same, but I appear to be at the CLI anyway, but unable to see it. Is this a driver problem or a Xorg problem? Thanks |
| 00:14.49 | karsten-nr | !tell mshadle about aptitude |
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| 00:14.53 | karsten-nr | mshadle: Yesh, you should. |
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| 00:15.04 | karsten-nr | mshadle: yes, even, and don't tell my boss I've been drinking. |
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| 00:15.46 | mshadle | thanks :) |
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| 00:28.43 | fishcooker | how to increase resolution from 800x600 to 1024x864 |
| 00:28.45 | fishcooker | ?! |
| 00:28.56 | high-rez | Is Xen 3.4 available for Debian Lenny ? |
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| 00:37.37 | yagoo | high-rez, xen is part of the vanilla kernel |
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| 00:39.49 | bttf | im using putty to SSH into my debian machine.. when I get root access, all the colors go away that correspond to folders, files, links, etc.. anyone know why this happens? |
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| 00:41.24 | amphi | bttf: maybe root doesn't have the alias? |
| 00:42.25 | amphi | bttf: does 'ls -F --color=auto' give you colors and symbols? |
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| 00:42.57 | bttf | yes it does.. but not as extensively as a regular user's ls does |
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| 00:43.05 | bttf | only the folders are colorered with that command.. |
| 00:43.08 | bttf | colored* |
| 00:43.10 | cmyers | wooo, finally, the milestone of RHEL6 being released. Why does this affect debian, you might ask? Because finally people can stop making fun of the woody "same thing is stable for 3 years thing". RHEL5 to RHEL6 was over 4 years and was more than 2 years late I think. |
| 00:43.34 | cmyers | celebrates |
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| 00:44.15 | BlockFin | Hello. Has anyone here done C programming with libXft? |
| 00:44.40 | fishcooker | xrandr works well |
| 00:45.10 | BlockFin | fishcooker: was that addressed to me? |
| 00:45.45 | fishcooker | nope... |
| 00:45.52 | fishcooker | for my solution :D |
| 00:46.02 | BlockFin | fishcooker: OK, nm then |
| 00:46.02 | fishcooker | let me see your problem first |
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| 00:47.10 | fishcooker | i've just heard abt it ... |
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| 00:53.14 | BlockFin | anyone? has anyone done programming using libXft? |
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| 00:55.25 | abrotman | BlockFin: there is a ##c channel |
| 00:55.49 | BlockFin | abrotman: OK, maybe I'll try there |
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| 01:13.48 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:14.41 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 01:15.03 | ZenWalker | I am on testing, gpm dont work, any solution? |
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| 01:33.23 | Dewi | does anyone know of a unionfs or similar implementation that will direct *new* files to a specific device, but still allowing things like renaming stuff on an underlying layer? |
| 01:33.49 | Dewi | ie, I don't want copy-on-write, but I do want writes of new data to go somewhere with sufficient disk space |
| 01:33.54 | Dewi | and some of these volumes are full |
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| 01:36.52 | terminator | I am trying to get gnome to work but I am getting gtk-warning ** cannot open display and I have already tried some solutions on google display =0:0 and they are not working. |
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| 01:46.30 | terminator | How do you reconfigure display for xwindows? |
| 01:46.32 | rahsputin | hi. i have a PC in my gardenhouse in Bavaria. I now have a USB-Modem and would like to install wvdial, libusb.. usb-modeswitch... ppp... to it. i would like to download these packages and their dependencies to a USB-Storage-Stiick and install from it. Is there a tool that downloads these "main" files and their dependencies to a directory of choice <- not :-) ? |
| 01:47.24 | pipeline | rahsputin: you could use apt-mirror to copy the entire package repository |
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| 01:48.25 | pipeline | rahsputin: alternatively, on another system, download your desired packages using apt-get -d install, then copy the /var/cache/apt/archives directory -- this will contain all the downloaded packages |
| 01:48.52 | pipeline | Dewi: linux has a unionfs but I don't know much about it |
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| 01:49.02 | rahsputin | that is if they are not installed yet or ? |
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| 01:49.11 | rahsputin | on that machine |
| 01:49.30 | chelz | what're the top methods of sleep/suspend from the terminal/cli on debian? |
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| 01:49.38 | Dewi | pipeline: yeah, there's at least 4. I've been trying the FUSE ones but the approaches to writes are a little different to what I expect. Maybe I need to patch one :/ |
| 01:50.13 | pipeline | chelz: s2ram |
| 01:50.14 | rahsputin | thank you pipel |
| 01:50.15 | rahsputin | ine |
| 01:50.18 | rahsputin | :) |
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| 01:50.41 | terminator | not optimum mode recommended mode 1920 x 1080 0 hz |
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| 01:54.14 | allan8904 | is this channel the best place for iceweasel support? or is there another channel which better supports it? |
| 01:54.30 | terminator | Is there a way that I set the resolution lower to get xwindows to work? |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | allan8904: on Debian ? |
| 01:55.44 | allan8904 | abrotman: yeah...i thought iceweasel was a debian thing? |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | allan8904: yes, you can try asking here |
| 01:56.09 | chelz | hm popcon has pm-utils at 474 but uswsusp at 1606 |
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| 01:56.40 | chelz | sure would be handy if packages.debian.org had popcon info on its pages |
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| 01:56.52 | thepro4ever | so ummmm i bet there are no linux apps that will run windows exes? |
| 01:57.12 | chelz | thepro4ever: mono can run some .net exes but you probably are looking for wine |
| 01:57.54 | allan8904 | well i'm running Iceweasel, the activity indicator on the tabs icons work, but the actual activity indicator widget (that i have placed on my navigation toolbar) doesn't work. I have firefox running on a seperate machine and it works as expected. |
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| 02:10.45 | tpocra | When I boot up or try to play music or movie files it doesn't matter what application I use... a lot of times I am getting the LOUDEST most terrible random audio distortion and white noise. |
| 02:10.55 | tpocra | Sometimes even when I don't do anywhing or play anything |
| 02:11.39 | tpocra | I don't know if it is an ALSA issue or what but I don't know how the hell to troubleshoot because there is no error just TERRIBLE noises |
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| 02:21.19 | beardy | !alsa checklist |
| 02:21.19 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 02:22.01 | beardy | Not helpful I suppose. |
| 02:22.44 | beardy | tpocra: Which kernel, which soundcard, which version of Debian? Does restarting alsa-utils help? |
| 02:23.41 | tpocra | beardy: 2.6.36 on sid amd64, Sound Blaster Audigy 4 PRO but I blacklisted snd-hda-intel so the stupid ATI HDMI port audio is off |
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| 02:25.21 | beardy | (I've had such noise, but not lately, and mostly in a woken up hibernated browser when flash gets cranky.) |
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| 02:28.02 | beardy | This is on an eeepc with some intgrated Intel sound.. can you turn it off in BIOS? (far fetched..) |
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| 02:31.20 | tpocra | beardy: Only active sound card is my Audigy 4 |
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| 02:31.35 | fishcookermania | i know how to check integrity of package with md5sum...(if the content is same so the package is ok) but how to get work with asc file like on the firefox package, what should i do? |
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| 02:33.58 | Dewi | fishcookermania: I think that's a gpg signature? |
| 02:34.02 | Dewi | not a checksum |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | fishcookermania: iceweasel or firefox ? |
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| 02:40.22 | psycho23 | how do you upgrade stable packages only? |
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| 02:41.13 | jyper | where would be the right place to ask about debian java policy? |
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| 02:43.43 | jyper | I I found a packge that doesn't use java picked through debian alterniatives, and instead lloks for folders exisiting from a list of javas(on order openjdk sun java ibm java) and picks the first one. Is this a bug? |
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| 02:44.07 | abrotman | jyper: there is a #debian-java on irc.oftc.net IIRC ... |
| 02:44.23 | karsten-nr | What's the other third-party package management tool. There's stow, and ... ? |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | checkinstall |
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| 02:48.36 | karsten-nr | tx |
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| 02:54.35 | fishcookermania | firefox |
| 02:54.38 | fishcookermania | abrotman |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | fishcookermania: that's for the installer package, not the individual files usually |
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| 03:02.01 | fishcookermania | abrotman |
| 03:02.10 | fishcookermania | check this out http://debian.pastebin.com/nggWeJUH |
| 03:02.20 | fishcookermania | thanks for ur attention |
| 03:03.28 | abrotman | it cna't find the key on the key server ? |
| 03:03.44 | abrotman | and why would you wan t3.5.9 ? |
| 03:04.22 | fishcookermania | there is one needed addon that only work with 3.5 version |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | vmware? |
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| 03:05.36 | fishcookermania | is it safe to install that on vmware |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | no .. i was asking if tha twas the plugin |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | fishcookermania: which version of Debian do you have? |
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| 03:44.51 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 03:44.52 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 267 (2010-09-30). |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:44.54 | dpkg | < rahul> #kde seems to be about as knowledgable as #ubuntu |
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| 03:47.36 | latenite | Hi folks, I want to use postgresql but the install does not give me a client: http://pastie.org/1288924 |
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| 03:55.06 | abrotman | latenite: psql |
| 03:55.57 | latenite | abrotman, what do you mean? I dont get it? |
| 03:56.09 | abrotman | the CLI client is 'psql' |
| 03:56.38 | latenite | abrotman, not here??? http://pastie.org/1288939 |
| 03:56.56 | latenite | do I miss some basics? |
| 03:57.09 | abrotman | no .. just type 'psql' on the command line .. it's already installed |
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| 03:59.52 | latenite | abrotman, ah ok, so my howto was "messedup" they call it different |
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| 04:00.02 | abrotman | well, that's standard |
| 04:00.02 | latenite | abrotman, now how to I start the db server? http://pastie.org/1288944 |
| 04:00.27 | abrotman | should have been done at install ... |
| 04:00.50 | latenite | see my paste I stared it...but no luck |
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| 04:01.38 | latenite | freaky the init script does not say a word: http://pastie.org/1288947 |
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| 04:12.16 | roe | There is a gnome applet I have called 'Time Tracker' any idea what package that is from? |
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| 04:14.55 | peterrooney | roe: ps -ef f to find the name of the executeable, aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <program name> |
| 04:14.58 | peterrooney | !search |
| 04:14.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 04:15.25 | roe | that is assuming it is running |
| 04:15.49 | peterrooney | roe: afraid to run it? |
| 04:16.04 | roe | afraid?...no |
| 04:16.18 | roe | do you triple dog dare me? |
| 04:16.37 | psycho23 | I quadruple dog dare ya |
| 04:17.10 | Coweater | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.33 | roe | Coweater, I thought that, but that package isn't installed |
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| 04:17.54 | roe | hamster-applet? |
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| 04:27.58 | c4pt | hi i was wondering how i can use compiz with nouveau 3d in a binary package ? on ubuntu there is xorg-edgers ppa and you can install the ia32-mesa-libs to achieve this. |
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| 04:28.44 | c4pt | basically i am wondering how i can get experimental gallium support in a binary? |
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| 04:50.53 | latenite | Hi folks, what is wrong with postgresql http://pastie.org/1289022 ??? |
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| 05:02.44 | tharkun | Is it possible to chainload sda1 grub to sdb1 grub and start booting there? |
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| 05:06.27 | nsadmin | is sdb1 grub a chainload? |
| 05:06.42 | nsadmin | one way to find out: |
| 05:07.00 | nsadmin | boot sda1's grub, get to its grub prompt |
| 05:07.18 | tharkun | nsadmin: sdb1 is debian lenny sda1 is mandriva 2006 with grub installed |
| 05:07.18 | nsadmin | then try to chainload sdb1 from there |
| 05:07.44 | tharkun | nsadmin: no way to do that. i can make the server reboot and hope for the best |
| 05:08.02 | nsadmin | no way? not understanding that |
| 05:08.21 | nsadmin | why is there no way? |
| 05:08.38 | tharkun | I do not have phisical access to the server. At least not until this Saturday. |
| 05:08.39 | nsadmin | oh, this must be a remote? |
| 05:08.50 | nsadmin | ok |
| 05:09.07 | nsadmin | and there's no serial console functionality |
| 05:09.14 | tharkun | none |
| 05:09.37 | nsadmin | so the main reason is you can't get to any grub> prompt |
| 05:09.45 | tharkun | The server is stuck in a warehouse 2 hours away from my current location |
| 05:09.51 | nsadmin | can you wait until saturday? |
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| 05:10.18 | nsadmin | when you say "stuck" does this imply you want it elsewhere soon? |
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| 05:10.40 | tharkun | Well if i wait untill Saturday i will have a 2 hours of intense download and intense setting up of that server |
| 05:11.36 | tharkun | nsadmin: I want that server in my office to fix, clean and reconfigure. But i am not that lucky ;P |
| 05:11.42 | nsadmin | can you do the download in the meantime into a temp place on the server? |
| 05:12.11 | nsadmin | like aptitude -d install... |
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| 05:12.36 | tharkun | nsadmin: well mandriva doesn't have aptitude install |
| 05:12.52 | nsadmin | so it's required the server be mandriva? |
| 05:13.16 | tharkun | no, the server is beeing moved from mandriva into debian. I got fed up of mandriva |
| 05:13.22 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 05:13.33 | nsadmin | so, what is the download? |
| 05:14.42 | tharkun | nsadmin: well i wanted to |
| 05:15.25 | nsadmin | so presently, you want to be able to boot debian |
| 05:15.30 | terminator | How do you fix a problem with the depencies? |
| 05:15.36 | nsadmin | that's what I'm hearing most strongly |
| 05:15.47 | mordocai | terminator: Depends what the problem is, really. |
| 05:16.06 | terminator | Its a lot the depencies are messed up. |
| 05:16.13 | terminator | missing |
| 05:16.57 | nsadmin | tharkun: can you hold off on setting up the debian grub and boot debian directly from the mandriva grub? |
| 05:17.01 | tharkun | nsadmin: well i wanted to be able to chainload debian since it is on lvm and that particular server has no support for it. |
| 05:17.03 | terminator | I thought that it was dpkg or aptitude |
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| 05:17.33 | nsadmin | so... the debian has lvm lvs and mandriva does not? |
| 05:17.40 | tharkun | yes |
| 05:17.59 | nsadmin | also mandriva does not have support for lvm, say, in the kernel? |
| 05:18.42 | tharkun | nsadmin: It is indeed an old server. I don't expect it to have support for LVM |
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| 05:19.19 | tharkun | 2.6.12 |
| 05:19.21 | Kaizen | does the sql option in netinstall put mysql or some other version? |
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| 05:19.45 | terminator | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:19.56 | nsadmin | and, on the debian side, is -everything- in lvm? |
| 05:20.34 | nsadmin | maybe postgres |
| 05:20.35 | tharkun | ´/boot is on a normal partition with 413 MB free |
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| 05:21.07 | nsadmin | so you could get to its kernel |
| 05:21.11 | nsadmin | and boot it |
| 05:21.19 | tharkun | yes |
| 05:21.45 | nsadmin | and you can do that from the mandriva grub (potentially) |
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| 05:21.57 | tharkun | yes |
| 05:22.21 | terminator | dtc-postfix-dovecot (= 0.32.5-1~gplbp50+1) but it is not going to be installed? |
| 05:22.57 | nsadmin | so... I would recommend trying to add a boot stanza in the mandriva grub |
| 05:23.08 | nsadmin | is this server production? |
| 05:23.20 | nsadmin | a copy of the actual production server? |
| 05:23.23 | nsadmin | something else? |
| 05:23.43 | tharkun | well i can hack overnight as long as i leave the production part up and running at 6:00 am |
| 05:24.18 | tharkun | and yes it is a production server with no 24/7 required services |
| 05:24.44 | nsadmin | my guess is you should copy it to another machine |
| 05:25.03 | nsadmin | make the other machine production, and leave it run |
| 05:25.09 | nsadmin | then take the other machine to the office |
| 05:25.29 | tharkun | nsadmin: if i had the extra machine i would have done that ;P |
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| 05:26.46 | nsadmin | give your boss an incentive: "It will cost you $1/mile plus gas plus wear and tear plus total indemnification for anything that happens when I'm driving back and forth with the server" |
| 05:26.57 | nsadmin | "or, bring me the server" |
| 05:27.15 | terminator | Maybe debian should consider removing apt-get |
| 05:27.46 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:27.55 | Kaizen | no way |
| 05:28.02 | Kaizen | it sounds too cool |
| 05:28.20 | tharkun | nsadmin: I get a two hour window this Saturday to fix everything. Do or die. No excuses left to postpone it. |
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| 05:29.09 | nsadmin | but is there a reason you're driving to do it |
| 05:29.54 | terminator | What does this mean ? Errors were encountered while processing: libapache2-mod-bwshare E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Error code 1? |
| 05:30.16 | nsadmin | anyway, we've identified a few choices you have... but if you don't have a remote console, it's going to be a risk every time you reboot |
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| 05:30.45 | nsadmin | howbout this: |
| 05:31.01 | nsadmin | get the mandriva to the point it can do xen or kvm |
| 05:31.05 | tharkun | The server began failing due to a bug in the mysql version it has. And there are a lot of other stuff that will be much better once upgraded |
| 05:31.09 | nsadmin | then run them both |
| 05:31.56 | nsadmin | you should fix the server fail separately |
| 05:32.04 | nsadmin | you can still do that remotely |
| 05:32.30 | nsadmin | anyway, good luck... gotta go |
| 05:32.51 | tharkun | nsadmin: thx for your time and thx for opening my mind to the several new options |
| 05:33.16 | nsadmin | probably that was the best I could do |
| 05:34.19 | tharkun | goes making list of extra stuff needed in case of emergency |
| 05:34.38 | Kaizen | always take condoms |
| 05:35.37 | terminator | Time for a smoke break |
| 05:36.25 | tharkun | terminator: take a look at how much free space you've got on the partition you are installing stuff |
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| 05:37.07 | tharkun | Also quitting smoking is not that bad. |
| 05:37.27 | terminator | Ok, I will and its 1 tb drive |
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| 05:39.45 | terminator | 3.7g left |
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| 05:41.12 | kleanchap | How can I convert an flv file to mp3? I have installed ffmpeg but I am still getting some errors regarding codec. |
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| 05:45.42 | Haper | f |
| 05:45.47 | Haper | hi |
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| 05:50.11 | terminator | If your using aptitude remove & purge apache2 when you re-install it using aptitude why does aptitude copy the apache2.conf file. |
| 05:50.22 | terminator | If your using aptitude remove & purge apache2 when you re-install it using aptitude why does aptitude copy the apache2.conf file to the /etc/apache2 directory? |
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| 05:58.26 | Bushmills | because that's a file in apache2.2-common, which is unpacked by aptitude |
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| 06:00.40 | terminator | Ok |
| 06:00.48 | Kaizen | how do i removed postgresql junk that debian installed? |
| 06:00.58 | ngatoif | I have asus eeepc 1015, and the resolution is only 800x600. can someone help me how to set xorg.conf to 1024x600? |
| 06:01.03 | Kaizen | i did apt-get remove but it's still there |
| 06:01.25 | terminator | ERROR: Module bwshare does not exist |
| 06:01.36 | ngatoif | Kaizen, try apt-get purge |
| 06:02.03 | WormFood | I'm trying to make the "webcam" package work, but I can't figure out what the hell it wants for "input". I've tried everything I can logically think of, and nothing works. Anyone have a clue what it wants? (the man page is less than helpful) |
| 06:02.20 | terminator | apt-get purge apache2? |
| 06:02.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ngatoif about why aptitude |
| 06:02.43 | Bushmills | Kaizen: purge |
| 06:03.28 | terminator | Exit status 1 |
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| 06:06.39 | WormFood | is there a working package in Squeeze that will take a picture from the webcam, and store it on the hard drive (I don't want to upload it) |
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| 06:06.57 | EmleyMoor | cheese? |
| 06:07.01 | WormFood | from the command like (no X11) |
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| 06:07.06 | EmleyMoor | Oh... |
| 06:07.07 | WormFood | line* |
| 06:07.33 | sweetpi | cp? :) |
| 06:07.34 | WormFood | the webcam is on a headless server, and I just don't want to install the overhead of X11 when I just don't need it |
| 06:07.51 | sweetpi | oh webcam.. |
| 06:08.32 | WormFood | I just want it to take a picture every 1-10 minutes, and save it on the hard drive....should be simple, except I can't get the package to work that claims to do that. |
| 06:08.59 | EmleyMoor | Um... there's one I used to use that might do it... "webcam" |
| 06:09.07 | WormFood | I can't get it to work |
| 06:09.10 | kleanchap | Are there any tools on Lenny for converting flv to mp3? |
| 06:09.11 | jpinx-eeepc | WormFood: is the4re not a capture in imagmagick ? |
| 06:09.12 | WormFood | what does it want for "input"? |
| 06:09.14 | EmleyMoor | You may need to put it in a script |
| 06:10.10 | EmleyMoor | WormFood: With a simple webcam it likely doesn't matter - but let me see what I use... |
| 06:10.31 | EmleyMoor | I don't specify it at all |
| 06:10.39 | WormFood | jpinx-eeepc, the requirements for imagemagick are rather large (it wants to install 86 other packages) |
| 06:10.54 | WormFood | EmleyMoor, no matter what I put there, it rejects it. |
| 06:11.05 | Nai-ux | security question: i have a newuser_script that i want to run as root as a default shell for a user called createuser, if the program only has 1 input for user name and does not accept anything but a-zA-Z_- not including the enter UNIX passwd program, is there sufficient security by putting a sudo entry for the script name and that createuser user? |
| 06:11.09 | EmleyMoor | Don't put the line at all |
| 06:12.16 | EmleyMoor | It assumes composite1 if you leave it out |
| 06:12.21 | WormFood | thanks EmleyMoor, that seemed to do the trick. I didn't think about deleting the lines, since they (man page) claimed they are the defaults |
| 06:15.20 | WormFood | now if it would just flip the image for me, it'd be perfect |
| 06:15.34 | terminator | Does the php5-mcrypt have the mcrypt.so file? |
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| 06:17.40 | terminator | The following partially installed packages will be configured: |
| 06:17.40 | terminator | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.02 | terminator | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.39 | terminator | Let me show you the error on pastebin.com |
| 06:20.08 | terminator | http://pastebin.com/543byz42 |
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| 06:27.00 | sweetpi | , versions libapache2-mod-bwshare |
| 06:27.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libapache2-mod-bwshare' was found in i386. |
| 06:27.39 | sweetpi | terminator: where did you get this package? |
| 06:28.36 | sweetpi | libapache2-mod-bw exists |
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| 06:42.28 | vaq | Does there exist any application to monitor daemons, so if they aren't running it will auto start it? |
| 06:43.34 | simonrvn | there's a few |
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| 06:45.07 | vaq | can you name one? |
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| 06:47.18 | mmxxmx | #max_connections = 100 <-- does that men tat line is commented out? |
| 06:47.30 | mmxxmx | *that |
| 06:50.14 | vaq | simonrvn ? |
| 06:50.23 | mmxxmx | ? |
| 06:50.47 | mmxxmx | its in my.cnf |
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| 06:56.35 | peterrooney | vaq: init can be talked into doing that. you may need translators and a dozen roses. |
| 06:56.54 | Nai-ux | vaq: there is a debian package called "chkconfig" , you can list the daemons and their run level status by doing "chkconfig --list" and something like "chkconfig apache2 on" to turn it on |
| 06:57.11 | Nai-ux | if not installed run.. apt-get install chkconfig |
| 06:58.12 | Nai-ux | that wil not check them constantly, u might want to write a program for that task |
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| 07:27.36 | joeytwiddle | i remember when vnc-java used to work directly from http://my-machine:5800/ - is this no longer possible? |
| 07:29.23 | blast_hardcheese | Hey all; I'm trying to get ICH7 HDA working on my new motherboard; For some reason even though the card is listed in /proc/asound/cards, I get errors when trying to play media with mplayer and trying to adjust the audio with alsamixer. As per some recommendation I found on the Ubuntu forums, I tried setting "model=generic" in modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 07:29.42 | blast_hardcheese | This made it work, but very quiet, even on the loudest setting, and only the right channel |
| 07:30.24 | blast_hardcheese | Everything else on this motherboard seems to be working fine, (dual-head looks like it will need some tweaking, but sound is more important at the moment) |
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| 07:42.44 | twiggz | Hello, internets. |
| 07:44.13 | Vroomfondle | hello, node. |
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| 08:01.09 | Ramattack | hi all! |
| 08:02.07 | blast_hardcheese | Hi one! |
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| 08:11.38 | he2 | hoi i need quickly a windows-programm to burn an linux image on a live cd |
| 08:12.12 | dimir | :-D |
| 08:12.39 | Soothsayer | hey |
| 08:12.39 | dimir | he2: imgburn |
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| 08:13.00 | Soothsayer | http://i.imgur.com/0F8gj.jpg why are the listed files appearing in purple and red? what does this mean? |
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| 08:13.34 | Soothsayer | dimir: where as if i login as root, the listed files appear in white |
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| 08:14.04 | dimir | Soothsayer: alias ls |
| 08:14.10 | dimir | Soothsayer: as user and then as root. |
| 08:14.21 | dimir | Soothsayer: I assume ls is aliased to "ls --color" |
| 08:14.32 | dimir | Soothsayer: for user. |
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| 08:15.27 | Soothsayer | dimir: i see |
| 08:15.38 | Soothsayer | and why is the autocomplete when you press tab not working for the user? |
| 08:15.41 | Soothsayer | where as it works for rooot |
| 08:16.17 | dimir | Soothsayer: probably some stuff like autocompletion functionality not sourced in profile. |
| 08:16.32 | he2 | dimir: thanks |
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| 08:16.50 | dimir | Soothsayer: grep compl ~/.bashrc ~/.profile |
| 08:16.54 | Soothsayer | dimir: how do I go about enabling this ? |
| 08:16.55 | Soothsayer | hmm |
| 08:17.14 | dimir | if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then |
| 08:17.15 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.16 | dimir | fi |
| 08:17.19 | dimir | for example |
| 08:17.31 | Soothsayer | one sec |
| 08:17.39 | Soothsayer | dimir: right now if press tab, this is what happens |
| 08:17.57 | Soothsayer | xyz@debian:~/domains/test1.xyz.com$ cd pub-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'pub' ): No such file or directory |
| 08:18.16 | Soothsayer | what on earth is the -sh ....compgen thing... |
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| 08:18.31 | dimir | huh |
| 08:18.32 | dimir | nice |
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| 08:18.47 | Soothsayer | dimir: not nice.. lol |
| 08:18.52 | dimir | :-D |
| 08:18.57 | dimir | something's b0rken. |
| 08:19.13 | Soothsayer | not nice at all! |
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| 08:29.29 | twiggz | zsh > bash |
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| 08:29.36 | twiggz | bye. |
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| 08:31.07 | twiggz | waits for some flavor of bsd or distro of linux to use zsh instead of bash as default because zsh is done how bash should have been done... |
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| 08:33.27 | kotique | Hi. I'm new to debian. What was the point of calling releases by codenames? why not use numbers? |
| 08:33.56 | kotique | its becoming a maze |
| 08:34.01 | SlayerXP | kotique: we do use numbers |
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| 08:34.40 | SlayerXP | "The latest stable release of Debian is 5.0." |
| 08:34.45 | kotique | okay, where can I get a list of software versions related to latest stable branch? |
| 08:35.06 | kotique | for example I want to know which perl and ruby version has 5.0 |
| 08:35.15 | SlayerXP | kotique: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:36.00 | twiggz | kotique: some queer loved the toy story movies. |
| 08:36.15 | twiggz | thats why they are named so dumb. |
| 08:36.15 | kotique | ? |
| 08:36.21 | kotique | oh |
| 08:36.36 | twiggz | each release is named after a toy story movie character. |
| 08:36.39 | twiggz | gay huh? |
| 08:37.06 | twiggz | what happens when they get up to toy story 3? |
| 08:37.18 | kotique | it's okay unless they pass version 20 |
| 08:37.19 | twiggz | or run out of characters? |
| 08:37.23 | kotique | yep |
| 08:37.49 | SlayerXP | i understand we'll be moving on to Brokeback Mountain characters after that |
| 08:38.01 | twiggz | IM RUNNING DEBIAN PRINCESS BARBIE |
| 08:38.07 | twiggz | 7.0 |
| 08:38.11 | twiggz | RECOGNIZE |
| 08:38.23 | twiggz | gay |
| 08:38.33 | Dewi | twiggz: ubuntu scheme has way more gay possibilities |
| 08:39.02 | twiggz | Dewi: actually, ubuntu names its releases after actual animals...real species... |
| 08:39.03 | Shadowcat | twiggz: would you rather we use family guy characters? |
| 08:39.06 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 08:39.08 | kotique | i found kernel 2.6.26 in "lenny", which is pretty outdated. Does debian backport patches like redhat with their 2.6.18? |
| 08:39.10 | twiggz | not fucking cartoons you idiot |
| 08:39.14 | Shadowcat | Debian Meg |
| 08:39.18 | Shadowcat | hides |
| 08:39.37 | Dewi | twiggz: so er... you've met a meerkat who could be described as "maverick", have you? |
| 08:40.03 | twiggz | have you met a woody that wasnt in you pants? |
| 08:40.15 | twiggz | or a potatoe that you didnt fry? |
| 08:40.17 | SlayerXP | i met Woody Allen |
| 08:40.20 | twiggz | shut up asshole. |
| 08:40.39 | SlayerXP | !ops twiggz is being excessively abusives. |
| 08:40.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: slayerxp complains about: twiggz is being excessively abusives. |
| 08:40.51 | twiggz | lol |
| 08:40.56 | twiggz | oh noes! |
| 08:41.21 | Dewi | twiggz: hey dude you're the one who feels sexually threatened by a release codename |
| 08:41.32 | twiggz | I am? |
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| 08:41.40 | twiggz | I dont recall saying that. |
| 08:41.46 | twiggz | You assume that. |
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| 08:41.52 | kotique | okay, i've discovered lenny-backports |
| 08:42.00 | Dewi | twiggz: you said they were "gay"; I assume they gave you certain... urges |
| 08:42.13 | Dewi | twiggz: that you didn't feel comfortable with. But rest assured, you'll be accepted here. |
| 08:42.33 | twiggz | Hey, cartoons are gay, unless you are 6. |
| 08:42.36 | Dewi | also you mentioned my penis |
| 08:42.43 | kotique | i like the "princess barbie" codename though. It would probably have pink background and glossy gui |
| 08:42.47 | twiggz | You wish you had a penis. |
| 08:43.05 | Dewi | twiggz: what makes you think I'm male? |
| 08:43.34 | twiggz | Did I say you were male? |
| 08:43.40 | twiggz | I said you wish you had a penis. |
| 08:44.01 | twiggz | You are inferior. |
| 08:44.03 | Dewi | ... What makes you think I'm male or straight? |
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| 08:44.42 | Dewi | twiggz: inferior to what? |
| 08:45.03 | sander^work | Have anyone been using collectd for monitoring? |
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| 08:45.25 | SlayerXP | sander^work: no, you're the first person to ever attempt to do so. |
| 08:45.44 | Dewi | sander^work: you'll just have to ask |
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| 08:46.12 | sander^work | SlayerXP, SlayerXP Was wondring if collectd+nagois+cacti is a good choice. |
| 08:46.18 | sander^work | Dewi, |
| 08:46.44 | SlayerXP | sander^work: maybe. the best person to decide if any particular software combination is a good choice for you, is you. |
| 08:47.46 | sander^work | SlayerXP, well.. i'm wondring about what software is best to use with collectd.. when it comes to alerts and graphs |
| 08:48.10 | kotique | okay, what is lenny? |
| 08:48.11 | SlayerXP | see above. |
| 08:48.17 | Dewi | sander^work: I haven't decided what my preferred approach is. I recommend grabbing virtualbox, getting a clean system, save snapshots and start trying combinations |
| 08:48.34 | twiggz | Dewi: as far as i can tell, what aren't you inferior to? |
| 08:48.34 | Dewi | kotique: codename of current stable release |
| 08:48.38 | kotique | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_archive_basics |
| 08:48.44 | kotique | Table 2.2. List of Debian archive sites |
| 08:48.49 | kotique | stable (squeeze) release |
| 08:48.54 | kotique | is the table incorrect? |
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| 08:49.20 | sander^work | Dewi, any sugestion to what combinations I should try out? |
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| 08:50.21 | Dewi | sander^work: I'm lazy so starting with munin & monit |
| 08:50.30 | Dewi | they seem pretty small and simple |
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| 08:52.53 | sander^work | Dewi, can it monitor apache too? |
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| 08:54.26 | Dewi | sander^work: probably. What are you wanting to monitor? |
| 08:54.52 | Dewi | (there's obviously a lot of available variables in any monitoring situation) |
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| 08:55.51 | sander^work | Dewi, performance trends of apache. |
| 08:56.57 | kotique | how do i find how current stable is named? |
| 08:57.03 | kotique | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-oldcodenames |
| 08:57.08 | kotique | lenny was the toy binoculars. |
| 08:57.08 | kotique | squeeze was the name for the three-eyed aliens. |
| 08:57.17 | kotique | it turns out lenny is in the past , right? |
| 08:57.27 | kotique | and current is squeeze ? |
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| 08:57.46 | Dewi | kotique: no |
| 08:57.53 | Dewi | kotique: squeeze is in the future |
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| 08:58.08 | kotique | why is "Table 2.2. List of Debian archive sites" listing stable as squeeze then? |
| 08:58.21 | Dewi | where? |
| 08:58.44 | sander^work | Is it possible to use nagios plugins for everything collectd can do? |
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| 09:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, because that page is coming from the future |
| 09:00.40 | kotique | oh come on. can we have some consistency here? |
| 09:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | we do |
| 09:00.54 | Dewi | kotique: where do you think it says that? |
| 09:01.06 | RichiH | isn't there some site where i can read the changelog of a package online? |
| 09:01.07 | Dewi | I don't see those words on that page |
| 09:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dewi, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html |
| 09:01.13 | RichiH | is sure there is, but he can't find it |
| 09:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for List of "Debian archive sites" |
| 09:01.30 | Dewi | RichiH: packages.debian.org, if you find a binary package and go to its source package |
| 09:02.29 | Dewi | kotique: packages.debian.org has all the info about the states of various packages |
| 09:02.41 | RichiH | Dewi: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/linux-headers-2.6-686/filelist _lists_ them, but i can't _read_ them |
| 09:02.48 | Dewi | kotique: I dunno why that manual page uses those examples |
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| 09:03.28 | Dewi | RichiH: yeah you'd have to download the package for that version. I'm talking about on the right where it says "source package" |
| 09:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think someone was a bit overly enthusiastic updating stuff... |
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| 09:04.48 | Dewi | RichiH: oh and for whatever reason backports don't seem to list changelog |
| 09:04.56 | RichiH | Dewi: yes. you click source package, pick the binary you need and get a list, albeit not one that lets you view files |
| 09:05.15 | RichiH | oooohhh |
| 09:05.32 | RichiH | yah, that would be why i _knew_ it's there, but couldn't find it |
| 09:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, be sure that when squeeze is released, it will be announced at http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 09:05.37 | Dewi | RichiH: the source package pages on other releases have it linked on the right, like here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/i386/linux-latest-2.6 |
| 09:06.08 | RichiH | Dewi: yah, i am looking at the squeeze changelog, now |
| 09:06.21 | RichiH | and i'll poke people to fix this |
| 09:06.23 | Dewi | RichiH: I guess backports don't because they don't really have a continuity of upgrades, they are apart from all that |
| 09:06.45 | RichiH | hmm, there is that |
| 09:06.45 | RichiH | but it lacks copyright as well |
| 09:07.14 | Dewi | RichiH: ultimately there are links to the various .debs and .tar.gzs there with the actual files including the changelogs you mentioned |
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| 09:08.15 | kotique | how do I search isntalled packages by regex? |
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| 09:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | search what |
| 09:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | things like dpkg -l libxxx* uses globs |
| 09:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README if you think you really need regexps for anything |
| 09:15.18 | Dewi | kotique: grep the output of dpkg --list |
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| 09:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, thought of that, too... but he dint say if he wants to search descriptions, too |
| 09:19.37 | cryptr | judd, pciid 8086:a001 |
| 09:19.38 | judd | [8086:a001] is 'N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a001 |
| 09:19.49 | kotique | Err http://mirror.steadfast.net lenny-backports/main Packages |
| 09:19.52 | kotique | why error? |
| 09:20.08 | cryptr | doenst exist? |
| 09:20.09 | kotique | damn, it's so inconsistent |
| 09:20.13 | kotique | yes, but why? |
| 09:20.19 | kotique | I want to use backports |
| 09:20.32 | cryptr | mirror doesnt have it? |
| 09:20.51 | kotique | this should be really documented |
| 09:21.02 | cryptr | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main non-free contrib |
| 09:21.05 | cryptr | works |
| 09:21.05 | cryptr | use that |
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| 09:21.19 | kotique | because I have to augur right now |
| 09:21.34 | kotique | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny-backports/updates main |
| 09:21.38 | kotique | is this the correct source ? |
| 09:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 09:21.54 | kotique | what's the correct one? |
| 09:21.59 | cryptr | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main non-free contrib |
| 09:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is none |
| 09:22.17 | cryptr | kotique: none for security |
| 09:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | cryptr told you, stop making repositories up from what you think how things could be, that doesn't work |
| 09:22.58 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt? |
| 09:23.00 | kotique | so I should use security updates from lenny, right? |
| 09:23.08 | kotique | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 09:23.25 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: are you serious or pulling a joke? |
| 09:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | cryptr, no, but I think you misunderstood me :) I said _he_ should stop making them up and use the correct one that you named |
| 09:24.08 | cryptr | ahh |
| 09:24.09 | cryptr | now |
| 09:24.14 | cryptr | when i read it again i understand |
| 09:24.15 | cryptr | sorry |
| 09:24.23 | cryptr | "cryptr told you" wasnt ment for me :) |
| 09:24.24 | cryptr | lol |
| 09:24.38 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Don't worry, I read it the same way :) |
| 09:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | looked perfectly clear to me when I wrote it! |
| 09:24.58 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: Phew |
| 09:25.01 | kotique | I don't get it guys, and this should really be documented. I mean it's the basics. I'm the newbie and I see the holes in documentatino. |
| 09:25.01 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: does to me now too |
| 09:25.08 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: And in retrospect it looks fine :) |
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| 09:25.18 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: So I apologize for pondering if I should scold you for it |
| 09:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, it is... |
| 09:25.24 | kotique | package management is the basics of any distro. There's no point of having a distro if you haven't documented that. |
| 09:25.27 | cryptr | preemptive apologize! |
| 09:25.30 | blast_hardcheese | I'm having an alsa problem, new motherboard and sound doesn't work at all. What steps should I go through to figure out what's wrong? |
| 09:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 09:25.44 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 09:26.20 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: old install new hw? |
| 09:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, these are the ones you need. Backports is additional and you should not try to install packages from it, except if you specifically need a newer version |
| 09:26.59 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Yes sir |
| 09:27.06 | kotique | I want the latest stable kernel version, which isn't 2.6.26 , i want latest version of 1 app which isn't in lenny |
| 09:27.49 | kotique | I read about source.list format. But there is nothing about organization of codenames/releases/versions in docs. |
| 09:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, fairysnuff and you already added backports if I saw that correctly, so you're all set |
| 09:27.54 | kotique | it's cumbersome to read |
| 09:28.19 | kotique | Okay, should I use security updates from "lenny-backports" repository? |
| 09:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are none |
| 09:28.36 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: dlspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 09:28.53 | kotique | what if I install a package from backports and then it receives a security update in upstream? |
| 09:28.57 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: check the pciid with judd something like [8086:27db] |
| 09:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | security updates are only provided for stable (and kind of newishly for testing, but not right now when testing is frozen) |
| 09:29.10 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: lspci not dlspci (where did that come from) |
| 09:29.31 | kotique | okay, so basically the package will lie unpatched |
| 09:29.48 | kotique | or maybe it will be backported to lenny-backports? |
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| 09:30.09 | kotique | Is there a standard procedure here? Do you have the process setup? |
| 09:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | the update will go into testing and only migrate into backports whenever someone backports it... there is no fixed mechanism for security updates for backports in place right now |
| 09:30.14 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Sorry, what is "judd"? |
| 09:30.24 | blast_hardcheese | the number is "8086:27d8" |
| 09:30.26 | kotique | okay, got it. thanks |
| 09:30.33 | cryptr | judd , pciid 8086:27d8 |
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| 09:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, you can always backport things yourself... "/msg dpkg ssb" for the procedure |
| 09:30.42 | cryptr | judd, pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 09:30.44 | judd | [8086:27d8] is 'N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 09:30.52 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: atom 510d? |
| 09:31.01 | kotique | yes, i know about "community-driven" development |
| 09:31.28 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: I don't know, to be honest. What should I be looking at? |
| 09:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's doing development? |
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| 09:31.49 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: same sound a i have in my server at home, ill check if i can get it working |
| 09:32.37 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: In the mean time, I just purged alsa from my machine, doing a dist-upgrade right now, then I'll add alsa back in after that's done. |
| 09:32.41 | blast_hardcheese | Should be done in about 9 minutes. |
| 09:32.50 | blast_hardcheese | at that point I'll be on latest testing |
| 09:32.54 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: hmm lenny i presume? |
| 09:33.04 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: aha squeeze |
| 09:33.07 | blast_hardcheese | yeah |
| 09:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 - this is only 2 months ago... |
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| 09:33.39 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: just noticed I run lenny with selfcompiled 36.5 kernel withouth any sound (it's a server so why bother) |
| 09:34.06 | sedulous | What could be wrong with my system? âdpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to open files list file for package `neverball-common': No such device or addressâ |
| 09:34.17 | pkkm | Can an embedded Debian device stream video from an USB skype camera? |
| 09:34.26 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: anyway after adding alsa you should have something in /proc/asound/cards, cat it so to see if it holds anything |
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| 09:35.10 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Yes, it has my soundcard recognized as card 0 |
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| 09:36.49 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: you just dont get any out of the speekers? |
| 09:36.52 | cryptr | speakers |
| 09:37.27 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: is this a laptop or likewise small system? |
| 09:38.16 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: No, it's a desktop, and another no, it says it can't open the card; alsamixer fails hard, doesn't even open |
| 09:38.23 | blast_hardcheese | I'll tell you in a couple minutes |
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| 09:39.04 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: alsamixer as root then? |
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| 09:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell blast_hardcheese about alsa checklist |
| 09:39.13 | blast_hardcheese | Nope, that was the first thing I tried |
| 09:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you went through that? |
| 09:39.18 | blast_hardcheese | Of course |
| 09:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what did you find out? |
| 09:39.56 | blast_hardcheese | I have done this before :) I don't claim to be a master, but I do understand basic alsa troubleshooting. Beyond that, I come here :) |
| 09:40.02 | aum | how do i save pulseaudio settings so that they take effect at next reboot? |
| 09:40.20 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Unfortunately the alsa checklist doesn't deal with configuration issues, just permissions issues. |
| 09:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
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| 09:41.06 | kotique | alright, how do I view what changes aptitude is going to make after I select a bunch of packages to be updated? |
| 09:41.15 | blast_hardcheese | The only non-configuration things on there are "OSS unloaded?" which doesn't help track down the problem for someone who's never used OSS |
| 09:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess there should be some alsamodules loaded "lsmod |grep snd" in there |
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| 09:42.17 | blast_hardcheese | 12 seconds left before my distupgrade is done... |
| 09:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | kotique, I use it as "aptitude upgrade" and it tells you in detail and asks for confirmation |
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| 09:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, so is snd-hda-intel loaded or not? |
| 09:45.11 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: It was before I purged alsa |
| 09:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, all right, guess that's already coverd with what cryptr said about the alsa stuff in /proc... |
| 09:45.22 | blast_hardcheese | It's about to get reinstalled, one sec. |
| 09:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should also look what happens in dmesg when you load the module... |
| 09:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the mixer has its own module and won't work if it's not loaded... |
| 09:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not-working mixer doesn't mean anything then... |
| 09:47.02 | blast_hardcheese | aplay doesn't play anything |
| 09:47.40 | blast_hardcheese | When my machine first booted I got "hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0xc (ctl = Front Playback Volume)" about 20 times, then a break, then the same thing 20 more times |
| 09:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | is snd_mixer_oss loaded? |
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| 09:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, alsamixer shouldn't need that... but dunno |
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| 09:49.53 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Alright. Everything is reinstalled, rebooted to refresh udev, ready to test |
| 09:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, laters |
| 09:49.58 | g0rd0n | i am currently having a load of about 90.00, with the cpu usage being apparently low... what can it be and how can i find out what is causing this? |
| 09:49.58 | kotique | damn, aptitude upgrade erased my selections in aptitude |
| 09:50.05 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks though :) |
| 09:50.27 | blast_hardcheese | kotique: Much much much easier to specify things via command line arguments. |
| 09:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | g0rd0n, io-wait... |
| 09:50.37 | kotique | it isn't |
| 09:50.41 | blast_hardcheese | Then you also have a history of what got installed when in your bash history |
| 09:50.44 | kotique | i want to see visually what I'm getting |
| 09:50.56 | blast_hardcheese | Huh |
| 09:50.59 | g0rd0n | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean hard drive? |
| 09:51.07 | kotique | is it possible to view what aptitude is going to do in gui? |
| 09:51.23 | kotique | like yum update, when it presents a list of changes |
| 09:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | g0rd0n, only time I had this, mmh, can't remember exactly, I think it was usb-sticks that had been pulled off without unmounting ... somehow managing to cause a lot of io-wait without anything happening... only rebooting solved that |
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| 09:52.45 | kotique | WARNING: the package cache is opened in read-only mode! |
| 09:52.47 | iaj | hi there... for getting sudo access to a specific user.. i need to adjust the /etc/suoders.. correct? |
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| 09:52.47 | kotique | wtf?! |
| 09:53.32 | g0rd0n | CutMeOwnThroat: it is happening in a xen machine for me... no usb sticks, just a lamp server |
| 09:53.42 | kotique | oh, "g" shows what I want |
| 09:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | g0rd0n, anyway, that showed up in "top" as a high percentage of "wait" |
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| 09:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | g0rd0n, check the Cpu(s): line of top for what is spiking for you ... |
| 09:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | enuff |
| 09:55.34 | g0rd0n | oh i was using htop and didnt show that info... |
| 09:55.39 | g0rd0n | anyway i am rebooting the vm |
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| 09:56.34 | Qtronix | Hi all! I was just wondering if the debian-sys-maint account in mysql has a default password set or if its just scrambled or disabled? |
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| 09:57.19 | NET||abuse | hi there folks, just fixing up an ssl cert for my sister's site, she's got a Thawte ssl cert, i installed it, and on the ssl checker on thawte.com support page, it says i need to add an intermediate CA certificate |
| 09:57.40 | NET||abuse | now on the server in /etc/ssl/certs i see a number of Thawte files. |
| 09:58.04 | kotique | selected to install specific verison and it installed the older one. stupid package manager! |
| 09:58.16 | NET||abuse | i have the intermediate ssl cert from the checker tool, so do i just overwrite the Thawte_Server_CA.pem or do i need to add a new file? |
| 09:58.34 | jelly | NET||abuse: add a new one. |
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| 09:59.36 | RichiH | !find ngcc |
| 10:00.24 | NET||abuse | jelly, do I need to add this new file to a directive somewhere on the sytem then? |
| 10:00.27 | fbh | NET||abuse: Using Apache? |
| 10:00.31 | NET||abuse | fbh, yeh |
| 10:00.36 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Are you still around? |
| 10:00.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ngcc' (2): (/usr/share/texmf/tex4ht/ht-fonts/unicode/cjk/utf8/utf8songcc.htf) in tex/tex4ht-common ;; (/usr/games/xpngcc, /usr/share/games/xpilot-ng/xpngcc/xpngcc.py) in games/xpilot-ng-common. |
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| 10:01.13 | fbh | NET||abuse: Okay, install their SSL chain and add a "SSLCertificateChainFile /path/to/file.pem" in the vhost along with the other SSL confs |
| 10:01.46 | NET||abuse | fbh, should i keep this in the /etc/ssl/certs dir or would i maybe just put it in the same dir as the ssl certs for that site? |
| 10:01.52 | NET||abuse | rather than interfere with a system directory. |
| 10:02.15 | fbh | NET||abuse: Whatever you like. I usually put the chain in the dir with the certs to make it easier to remember where stuff is placed. |
| 10:02.30 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: oh yeah, just working some :) i have a job! woppedidoo! |
| 10:02.41 | NET||abuse | hmm, the tool has actually given me two cert blocks? |
| 10:02.49 | kotique | apt-file -x list ~nbacula |
| 10:02.51 | kotique | nothing! |
| 10:03.03 | fbh | NET||abuse: I don't know the tool, but just place them both in the same file, it can handle that |
| 10:03.12 | kotique | apt-file -x list bacula$ |
| 10:03.12 | kotique | nothing! |
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| 10:03.33 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.38 | kotique | i want to use damn RE!!!!!! |
| 10:03.39 | cryptr | what is apt-file? |
| 10:03.42 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Ah, sorry, it's midnight here :) |
| 10:03.54 | kotique | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
| 10:03.58 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: hehe europe has pre lunch |
| 10:04.00 | blast_hardcheese | Apt-file is fantastic, it searches for files, kinda like dpkg -S but more powerful (iirc) |
| 10:04.07 | kotique | apt-file list <package_name_pattern> list contents of matching packages in archive |
| 10:04.11 | kotique | I want to list files |
| 10:04.17 | kotique | like rpm -ql package |
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| 10:04.28 | cryptr | aha, i usually go to debian.org to check for files :) |
| 10:04.30 | blast_hardcheese | kotique: dpkg -L pkg? |
| 10:04.30 | kotique | or equery f package |
| 10:04.43 | kotique | god dammit |
| 10:04.49 | kotique | why do you have so many tools?! |
| 10:05.06 | cryptr | because everyone of them fills a single need? |
| 10:05.10 | cryptr | "specific" need |
| 10:05.19 | kotique | yeah, take a look at rpm |
| 10:05.24 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: so what does play say now? |
| 10:05.24 | kotique | all needs in one app |
| 10:05.28 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: aplay |
| 10:05.30 | kotique | !!CONSISTENCY!! |
| 10:05.35 | blast_hardcheese | kotique: !!BLOAT!! |
| 10:05.39 | Qtronix | Hi all! I was just wondering if the debian-sys-maint account in mysql has a default password set or if its just scrambled or disabled? |
| 10:05.44 | cryptr | kotique: not even windlbows have that functionality |
| 10:05.58 | cryptr | Qtronix: default set to something |
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| 10:06.05 | blast_hardcheese | dpkg is _very_ low level, use it to do very low level things. apt-get is higher level, aptitude is higher still. |
| 10:06.05 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, blast_hardcheese |
| 10:06.15 | blast_hardcheese | dpkg: My apologies. |
| 10:06.15 | dpkg | blast_hardcheese: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:06.16 | kotique | why not intergrate filelist into aptitude? |
| 10:06.25 | blast_hardcheese | kotique: Because why should Aptitude care about that? |
| 10:06.34 | kotique | yeah, file list isn't low level, it's the basics |
| 10:06.51 | cryptr | kotique: there are several kde/gnome variants you could try out |
| 10:06.53 | kotique | because aptitude is for user package management and user want to see what files are going to be installed |
| 10:07.01 | kotique | I have no X11 on my machine |
| 10:07.12 | NET||abuse | fbh, so the full text of the output from the tool looks like this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/289660 should i just paste that whole lot? or just the bits between the segments ------BEGIN CERT------- |
| 10:07.22 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: aplay gives no error |
| 10:07.25 | blast_hardcheese | aplay also gives no sound |
| 10:07.33 | cryptr | mmm |
| 10:07.52 | cryptr | lsmod | grep snd |
| 10:07.53 | cryptr | shows? |
| 10:08.02 | fbh | NET||abuse: Just put it all there, it will parse between the -----'s but just let it be |
| 10:08.05 | blast_hardcheese | lots of stuff |
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| 10:08.27 | Qtronix | cryptr: set to something something, or the actual word "something"? :p |
| 10:08.38 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?54 |
| 10:08.51 | cryptr | ohh blast_hardcheese what does "amixer" say? |
| 10:08.58 | blast_hardcheese | I rmmod'd the oss modules |
| 10:09.01 | blast_hardcheese | amixer... one sec |
| 10:09.09 | blast_hardcheese | amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument |
| 10:09.20 | cryptr | mmm |
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| 10:10.05 | cryptr | Qtronix: ah sorry got lost in alsa problems :) |
| 10:10.45 | Qtronix | cryptr: no problem. :) |
| 10:11.09 | blast_hardcheese | Qtronix: If I'm not mistaken, when you first install MySQL it prompts you for a default root password |
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| 10:11.29 | blast_hardcheese | but you can reset it by connecting to the database as root, (also if I'm not mistaken) |
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| 10:11.54 | Qtronix | blast_hardcheese: yeah, but i'm wondering for the password for debian-sys-maint :) |
| 10:12.13 | cryptr | Qtronix: check /etc/mysql/ |
| 10:12.15 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, I'm sorry, I have no experience with that :< |
| 10:12.24 | cryptr | Qtronix: think it was a debian.cnf once in a lifetime |
| 10:13.09 | Qtronix | ah |
| 10:13.15 | Qtronix | thanks, i'll check that out |
| 10:13.16 | cryptr | Qtronix: aye tehre is, i just checked my webserver |
| 10:13.24 | cryptr | Qtronix: glad to help. |
| 10:13.24 | Qtronix | thanks for the help :) |
| 10:13.49 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: mmm |
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| 10:14.22 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: strange, my intel hda does not load realtek codec... just snd_hda_codec_analog |
| 10:15.15 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: This is after boot with standard alsa configs and stuff. |
| 10:15.30 | blast_hardcheese | I could purge and reinstall again if you'd like, just tell me which files to make sure to delete |
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| 10:15.39 | blast_hardcheese | like /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-core.conf or others |
| 10:15.44 | kotique | why is mark Auto is assigned to M ? it should be "a", not "M" which is naturally manual |
| 10:15.48 | kotique | !!CONSISTENCY!! |
| 10:16.21 | cryptr | kotique: makes you think doesn't? |
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| 10:16.46 | kotique | wondering what happens to debian in 10 years |
| 10:16.52 | blast_hardcheese | kotique: You want to use one of the worst interfaces in package management instead of using the very useful and helpful command line arguments. |
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| 10:16.55 | blast_hardcheese | I don't care. |
| 10:17.14 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: do a sudo dmesg -c && sudo alsa reload && dmesg |
| 10:17.15 | kotique | ;-) |
| 10:17.21 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: or as root without the sudo. |
| 10:17.25 | kotique | I mean, it's the destiny of slackware, definitely |
| 10:17.29 | kotique | with such attitude |
| 10:17.33 | kotique | with such aptitude |
| 10:17.37 | blast_hardcheese | heh |
| 10:17.40 | cryptr | kotique: go for dselect :) |
| 10:17.54 | blast_hardcheese | Don't tell him about that, he'll get more pissed that there are other tools |
| 10:18.01 | cryptr | heheh |
| 10:18.11 | ethanol | good mornin' all |
| 10:18.45 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?55 |
| 10:18.51 | blast_hardcheese | ethanol: Good moring to you sir |
| 10:19.05 | kotique | I know WHY debian has so many package mgmt tools, but I don't understand WHY the devs didn't change the situation. it's 2010. |
| 10:19.13 | kotique | okay, thanks for help |
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| 10:19.23 | blast_hardcheese | unpleasant person is unpleasant. |
| 10:19.41 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Perhaps some hint; aplay fails outright as root |
| 10:19.48 | blast_hardcheese | aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 10:23.40 | chao | When I run gksudo anything it crashed: |
| 10:24.05 | chao | (gksudo:3931): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
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| 10:27.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, that sounds like the sound device is missin? |
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| 10:28.35 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to see which options a module was loaded with? |
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| 10:29.42 | NET||abuse | fbh, thanks for your help so far, but unfortunately doing all these things isn't working :( |
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| 10:30.07 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 10:30.09 | fbh | NET||abuse: Can you PM me the address of the site and I'll check it out? |
| 10:30.32 | CoolCold | anyone away about "logical" & "physical" inteface name mentioned in man interfaces ? |
| 10:31.45 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: mmm |
| 10:32.23 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: desktop you say, perhaps you have installed the HDA AC97 jada jada stuff wrong? the connection that goes to the motherboard? |
| 10:32.34 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: or perhaps it is but into wrong mode in the BIOS? |
| 10:32.51 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: did you build it yourself or is it a HP/DELL desktop typ? |
| 10:32.53 | cryptr | type. |
| 10:33.20 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: I do have Windows 7 installed, and sound works fine in that; I just installed a new motherboard yesterday, this is a system I built myself |
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| 10:36.06 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: mmmm |
| 10:36.52 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: well that figures. win7 works... mmm Front Playback. Very odd |
| 10:37.11 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I don't know; I've got the speakers plugged into the rear port |
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| 10:38.35 | cryptr | hmm |
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| 10:39.42 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/133207 check that url, quite far down about options snd-da-intel model=generic |
| 10:39.55 | cryptr | some ubunto peep having same issue as you i think |
| 10:40.01 | cryptr | did a fast google on your error |
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| 10:40.47 | blast_hardcheese | I found that link and tried that suggestion :) |
| 10:41.06 | blast_hardcheese | If you look waaaaaaaay up when I first asked this question, I actually mentioned that I had already tried model=generic |
| 10:41.25 | blast_hardcheese | Sound is very quiet, mixer doesn't work, and I only get the right channel |
| 10:42.15 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: I've been searching for "Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a002" |
| 10:44.07 | cryptr | mm |
| 10:44.15 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: i am a bad reader :) |
| 10:44.27 | blast_hardcheese | That's OK :) |
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| 10:44.40 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: but if you do get sound with that fix, then most likely you have the same bug and we are on the right path atleast |
| 10:44.57 | blast_hardcheese | That bug was from 2009 though, I would have expected it to be fixed by now |
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| 10:45.46 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: perhaps not |
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| 10:45.58 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: more info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/669092 |
| 10:46.12 | blast_hardcheese | cryptr: Root cannot see any soundcards at all |
| 10:46.27 | cryptr | blast_hardcheese: not in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 10:46.32 | blast_hardcheese | aplay -L as root shows "null" as my only soundcard |
| 10:46.43 | blast_hardcheese | No soundcards in /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:47.09 | cryptr | mmm |
| 10:47.16 | cryptr | then it does not even find it at all now |
| 10:47.21 | cryptr | very odd |
| 10:47.32 | cryptr | uname -a? |
| 10:47.34 | cryptr | err |
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| 10:47.43 | cryptr | -r |
| 10:47.49 | cryptr | what kernel you running? |
| 10:47.55 | blast_hardcheese | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 10:48.02 | cryptr | my guess |
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| 10:48.06 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
| 10:48.07 | cryptr | perhaps you have to run a later kernel |
| 10:48.19 | cryptr | not sure, seems that the driver is not fully supporting your card |
| 10:48.36 | nsadmin | have you run alsaconf? |
| 10:48.40 | blast_hardcheese | 2.6.32 is all that's available in testing |
| 10:48.47 | cryptr | nsadmin: alsaconf is removed since ethc right? |
| 10:48.50 | cryptr | etch.. |
| 10:48.56 | nsadmin | not necessarily suggesting you do, but wondering |
| 10:48.58 | blast_hardcheese | Oh right, forgot about alsaconf, I was going to try that |
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| 10:49.02 | nsadmin | hmm, what is it now? |
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| 10:49.09 | cryptr | nsadmin: afaik |
| 10:49.14 | blast_hardcheese | Nothing anymore, |
| 10:49.27 | blast_hardcheese | but there have been people reporting some success with running alsaconf |
| 10:49.28 | nsadmin | so nothing at all sets alsa up |
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| 10:49.46 | cryptr | afk lunch. |
| 10:49.50 | blast_hardcheese | No, nothing sets alsa up anymore |
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| 10:50.17 | blast_hardcheese | It's all dynamic, the reason it was removed was because "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." |
| 10:50.19 | qq- | lspci -nn | grep Aud ? |
| 10:50.25 | Trewas | blast_hardcheese: 2.6.32 kernel is from late 2009, so it is quite possible it misses some fixes for new hw... and hda-intel soundcards are notorious for having million slightly different implementations |
| 10:50.28 | nsadmin | thinks that maintainers who think they know what's better for people "let's take away a little more of their control" should rethink themselves |
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| 10:50.51 | nsadmin | anyone know why this was removed? |
| 10:51.15 | nsadmin | or was it factored into something, and if so what? |
| 10:51.18 | qq- | blast_hardcheese, say ? ^^ |
| 10:51.34 | qq- | !alsaconf |
| 10:51.34 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 10:51.42 | blast_hardcheese | qq-: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01) |
| 10:51.44 | nsadmin | thank you |
| 10:51.56 | qq- | !pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 10:52.04 | qq- | ,pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 10:52.05 | nsadmin | use, |
| 10:52.06 | judd | [8086:27d8] is 'N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 10:52.08 | nsadmin | there you go |
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| 10:53.46 | qq- | blast_hardcheese, lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel , show snd_hda_intel ? |
| 10:54.16 | siyb__ | hi, is there a java64bit vm available anywhere? the one in the standard sources is i386, which sucks ass |
| 10:55.02 | nsadmin | ok, cool. qq-, thanks for pointing that out... so, how does alsa configure itself now? |
| 10:55.21 | blast_hardcheese | qq-: It wasn't loaded, I have been doing a lot of alsa reloads |
| 10:55.28 | blast_hardcheese | so it was probably not loaded |
| 10:55.28 | qq- | nsadmin, yes,at list here , |
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| 10:56.26 | qq- | blast_hardcheese, load him/her .. modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 10:56.30 | nsadmin | well mostly what I mean is, does it autodetect all the time? some of the time? do we ever have to help with detection? |
| 10:56.35 | blast_hardcheese | qq-: I did, it's loaded now |
| 10:56.43 | blast_hardcheese | no change |
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| 10:57.04 | nsadmin | check if alsamixer works or says no device |
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| 10:57.26 | blast_hardcheese | "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument" |
| 10:57.47 | nsadmin | mixer modules not loaded? |
| 10:57.50 | blast_hardcheese | My soundcard is back in aplay -l now |
| 10:58.05 | blast_hardcheese | which mixer module? |
| 10:58.25 | nsadmin | that would be my question too... I thought it was all in one |
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| 10:59.12 | blast_hardcheese | Well, I need to go to sleep. I'll see what I can do about getting a newer kernel in testing... |
| 10:59.15 | nsadmin | but "invalid argument" usually means "number fed to ioctl is not one of the recognized values and this could mean something's not loaded or compiled into kernel" |
| 10:59.15 | blast_hardcheese | maybe bpo |
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| 11:01.24 | nsadmin | see, a module load could add valid ioctl values, such that if it sees those it aims at the module |
| 11:02.46 | blast_hardcheese | Well... unfortunately I can't stay up any longer, it's already 3AM and I need to work tomorrow. |
| 11:02.58 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks a bunch for all the help, I really appreciate it |
| 11:03.23 | blast_hardcheese | I'll see what I can learn, or I'll just deal with it and use my external soundcard (again... ugh) |
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| 11:07.56 | qq- | blast_hardcheese, add that module to /etc/modules ... |
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| 11:09.36 | kotique | no , really |
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| 11:09.42 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.42 | kotique | current state of the package. The first letter is the "state" flag, |
| 11:09.52 | kotique | pi 5.0.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 11:10.01 | kotique | FRIST letter is p |
| 11:10.07 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.15 | kotique | and not letter "p" in state flasgs |
| 11:10.27 | kotique | fuckin documenters |
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| 11:12.53 | kotique | and what's up with this dep resolution ? |
| 11:13.03 | kotique | i'm trying to install a fucking bacula package and i can't |
| 11:13.09 | kotique | because it's trying to install damned 2.4 version |
| 11:13.22 | kotique | i have seen literally NO other distro that 's so hard to manage |
| 11:13.34 | petemc | you must be doing it wrong |
| 11:13.41 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.41 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.41 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.41 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.53 | kotique | no other deps whatsoever |
| 11:13.59 | kotique | why isn't installing it goddamnit |
| 11:14.13 | kotique | i have manually pressed "i" for each 5x version |
| 11:14.25 | kotique | and yet still it warns me about dep prolbems |
| 11:14.43 | stew | kotique: can you show us in a pastebin? |
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| 11:14.53 | stew | kotique: and show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 11:15.04 | stew | kotique: if you are running stable, you should generally not run into dependency problems |
| 11:15.16 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:15.29 | kotique | why is it in red? it should be in orage, it isn't an error, that's a suggestion |
| 11:16.02 | kotique | http://fpaste.org/Gnx0/ |
| 11:16.51 | stew | kotique: how about "apt-cache policy bacula bacula-doc libc6" |
| 11:16.53 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.54 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.20 | kotique | if you're writing to user that he should KEEP that package, dont write UNINST on the same screen. It's absoluytely confusing. |
| 11:17.57 | kotique | if that's a suggestion that would resolve the conflict, why when I follow it, bacula packagte still isn't installed? |
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| 11:18.16 | guzu | hello all |
| 11:18.19 | stew | kotique: i'd try "+bacula" |
| 11:18.30 | stew | kotique: but it would help to know what versions of these packages you were working with |
| 11:18.30 | guzu | can anyone give me a dcd binary? |
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| 11:18.49 | guzu | from squeeze |
| 11:18.51 | kotique | the whole idea of conflict resolution is try to do anything in order to install the package. Not provide user a resolution that wouldn't install that package -- that's idiotic |
| 11:19.02 | RichiH | is there a way to read out vendor ID from a hdd via /proc or /sys? smartmontools are not, and can not be, installed |
| 11:19.10 | nsadmin | , file dcd |
| 11:19.13 | judd | dcd in lenny/i386: cdcd: etc/bash_completion.d/cdcd, usr/bin/cdcd; fvwm-crystal: usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/components/functions/Mixer-cdcd, usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/components/functions/Music-cdcd; cdcd-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/cdcd; cdrecord: usr/bin/readcd; doc-iana: usr/share/doc/doc-iana/html/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.oma.dcd; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh- |
| 11:19.15 | judd | beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_cdcd; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_cdcd |
| 11:19.19 | kotique | and you should've written specifically that the package won't be installed if the resolution is to be followed. not just hide that somewhere |
| 11:19.42 | kotique | stew, +bacula where? |
| 11:19.48 | nsadmin | guzu: what package it's from? |
| 11:19.53 | kotique | you mean the "+" -- thyat's how i'm doing it |
| 11:20.00 | stew | kotique: in the "accept this solution: [Yn]" |
| 11:20.10 | kotique | there's no accept solution |
| 11:20.15 | kotique | i'm in console gui |
| 11:20.39 | kotique | I'm pressing ! as written at bottom |
| 11:20.41 | kotique | p 5.0.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 11:20.45 | kotique | and I get the above |
| 11:20.46 | guzu | nsadmin, i have no idea, it's an audio cd player and i don't have it in fedora (actually i have no console audio cd player in fedora) |
| 11:21.00 | nsadmin | , file bin/dcd |
| 11:21.03 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 11:21.04 | guzu | i tried compiling but i have wrong version of libraries and gave up |
| 11:21.04 | kotique | which is NOT the conflict resolution, it doens't resoolve anything fopr me. it just deselect the package I want to install |
| 11:21.22 | guzu | judd, oh, thank you. |
| 11:21.32 | stew | kotique: so this is problem, you are trying to mix the stable versions with the backports versions |
| 11:21.49 | nsadmin | , file bin/dcd --branch=testing |
| 11:21.50 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and i386 are searched by default. |
| 11:21.57 | nsadmin | release |
| 11:22.01 | kotique | the wholke reason of including backports is to be able to install latest bacula |
| 11:22.06 | nsadmin | , file bin/dcd --release testing |
| 11:22.09 | kotique | come on guys, what's wrong with your distro? |
| 11:22.09 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 11:22.17 | guzu | hmm |
| 11:22.45 | nsadmin | kotique: every one of the ~3000 maintainers will tell you something different to answer that |
| 11:22.47 | stew | kotique: try exiting the ui and running "aptitude -t lenny-backports install bacula" |
| 11:23.08 | stew | kotique: and SHOW us the output in a pastebin with the output of "apt-cache policy bacula bacula-doc libc6" |
| 11:23.39 | kotique | also, how do I specify version of the package on the console? |
| 11:23.57 | kotique | on gentoo, i do =package-1.2.34., on rhel - package-1.2.34. |
| 11:24.03 | kotique | how is it doine on debian? |
| 11:24.11 | nsadmin | this is not even close to gentoo, you can't do those things |
| 11:24.14 | stew | kotique: packate=version |
| 11:24.18 | nsadmin | what you can probably do is backport |
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| 11:24.50 | kotique | wait, are you telling me there's no method of specifying what specific version of package I want to be installed? |
| 11:24.56 | stew | RichiH: i can get the vendor model string, but not the vendor id |
| 11:24.57 | nsadmin | kotique, gentoo is a compile-the-source kind of dist, debian is a binary dist |
| 11:25.09 | RichiH | stew: i'll go with that |
| 11:25.10 | RichiH | how? |
| 11:25.17 | kotique | gentoo can be whatever you want, they have bindist packages too |
| 11:25.19 | stew | RichiH: hal-find-by-capability --capability storage | while read a ; do hal-get-property --udi $a --key info.product ; done |
| 11:25.21 | kotique | pre-compiled |
| 11:25.43 | stew | kotique: i'm telling you exactly how to specify the version of a package you want to install |
| 11:26.02 | kotique | "aptitude -t lenny-backports install bacula" shows me right solution, but it wants to install mysql-server, really, this isn't what I want |
| 11:26.05 | RichiH | stew: i would prefer to read it from /proc or /sys directly |
| 11:26.07 | BlackFate | kotique, apt-get install packer=version -t source |
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| 11:26.32 | stew | RichiH: are you looking in /sys/class/block ? i dunno |
| 11:26.33 | kotique | I don't even undertstand that english word |
| 11:26.34 | BlackFate | packer/package* |
| 11:26.48 | nsadmin | kotique: debian is not always "whatever you want", it's binary with very few exceptions and the binaries are tested to see to it they work together |
| 11:27.12 | nsadmin | kotique, I dunno... you may like that, you may not |
| 11:27.19 | kotique | http://fpaste.org/9UE6/ |
| 11:27.57 | kotique | why would it want me to install mysql-server, really?:) i know bacula can store catalogue in mysql db, but mysql client should be enough for it |
| 11:28.19 | nsadmin | hmm, actually that's a good point |
| 11:28.32 | kotique | http://fpaste.org/SJQh/ -- "apt-cache policy bacula bacula-doc libc6" |
| 11:28.34 | nsadmin | it should depend on some client |
| 11:28.55 | stew | kotique: what command did you run resulting in installing mysql? |
| 11:29.00 | nsadmin | you're installing from backports? |
| 11:29.18 | kotique | I don't know what I do now. Yes, I'm trying to install from lenny-backports. |
| 11:29.31 | stew | kotique: you can ask it. "aptitude why mysql-server" |
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| 11:30.11 | kotique | stew, http://fpaste.org/VUZI/ |
| 11:30.14 | stew | ahh, its a recommends |
| 11:30.41 | stew | kotique: at the Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] you can possibly say "-mysql-server" |
| 11:31.10 | stew | kotique: you can also install telling it to ignore "recommends" by adding "--without-recommends" to the aptitude command line |
| 11:31.19 | kotique | but this is crazy, you see, even you don't understand what's going on. IMagine what a newbie user would think |
| 11:31.43 | RichiH | stew: that does not even exist on lenny, but i could use it on one of the machines, at least |
| 11:31.44 | RichiH | thanks |
| 11:31.47 | nsadmin | well let's take just this case... are you a newbie? |
| 11:31.48 | kotique | -mysql-server didn't cure it |
| 11:31.56 | stew | a newbie user should expect the recommended package by definition |
| 11:32.01 | kotique | yes I am |
| 11:32.04 | stew | kotique: then use --without-recommends |
| 11:32.07 | kotique | look at the above chat |
| 11:32.26 | nsadmin | I'd rather take it from your own defn |
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| 11:32.35 | nsadmin | how will you know when you're not? |
| 11:32.51 | stew | i'm not sure why this is crazy. when you follow the backports instructions, it does something sane |
| 11:33.06 | kotique | aptitude --without-recommends -t lenny-backports install bacula |
| 11:33.09 | Bushmills | aptitude, run interactively, has a config option to turn selection of recommends off. a newbie can find that option. |
| 11:33.16 | kotique | Install the following packages: |
| 11:33.17 | kotique | bacula-sd-sqlite3 [5.0.2-1~bpo50+1 (lenny-backports)] |
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| 11:33.38 | kotique | I requested bacula install, but it proposes me bacula-sd-sqlite3 install and nothing more |
| 11:33.39 | Bushmills | unless he doesn't look, or is keen to argue about the sense of including recommends into selection |
| 11:34.07 | nsadmin | one thing is true, when you're new to something, there will be some concepts that may be central you're not understanding yet |
| 11:34.47 | nsadmin | what's bacula other than the actor that plays enterprise capn? |
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| 11:35.27 | kotique | The problem is that I've read some of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html and there's little about conflict resolution |
| 11:36.03 | stew | kotique: you don't seem to be having any conflict resolution problems |
| 11:36.05 | stew | that I've seen |
| 11:36.13 | nsadmin | theres probably more in the packaging manual |
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| 11:36.35 | nsadmin | right, not actually a conflict |
| 11:36.39 | stew | and when you are sticking to stable, there typically aren't conflict resolution problems |
| 11:36.46 | ubiquitous1980 | is it normal not to have gnome on cd 1 for squeeze beta 1 |
| 11:36.59 | kotique | well, when I for example request kernel package to be installed and instead I get python, that's not the right "conflict resolution" |
| 11:37.15 | kotique | making an analogy with the above tourne |
| 11:37.18 | qq- | troll |
| 11:37.34 | stew | kotique: show us |
| 11:37.34 | nsadmin | is kernel-package written in python? |
| 11:37.52 | kotique | aptitude --without-recommends -t lenny-backports install bacula |
| 11:37.55 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.58 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.04 | Bushmills | or "i prefer to argue rather than setting up my installer according my taste" |
| 11:38.04 | nsadmin | , depends kernel-package |
| 11:38.06 | judd | Package kernel-package -- depends: perl, dpkg (>= 1.4), dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.0.9), gcc | c-compiler, make (>= 3.80-10), po-debconf, gettext, file, debianutils (>= 2.30), binutils (>= 2.12), util-linux (>= 2.10o), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.10). |
| 11:38.11 | stew | kotique: use a pastebin please, show us the entire ouptut |
| 11:38.19 | kotique | i made an analogue, do you know what is that? |
| 11:38.21 | nsadmin | oh, not python but perl |
| 11:38.26 | kotique | analagy |
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| 11:38.53 | kotique | I know it depeneded on bacula-sd-slite3, but it wanted to install it instead of the package I requested |
| 11:38.54 | stew | kotique: i know what an analagy is. I don't see what how that is one, or why it matters |
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| 11:39.07 | stew | kotique: show us |
| 11:39.29 | kotique | At config screen now. bacula-director-mysql must have a database installed and configured before it can be used. If you like, this can be handled with dbconfig-common. |
| 11:39.40 | kotique | that's probably why it wanted to have mysql server ready |
| 11:40.07 | stew | kotique: yes, as a recommendation, not as a requirement |
| 11:40.13 | ubiquitous1980 | does gnome come on the first squeeze cd? |
| 11:40.32 | stew | ubiquitous1980: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 11:41.26 | kotique | here you go: http://fpaste.org/85OC/ |
| 11:42.10 | stew | kotique: what version of # |
| 11:42.13 | stew | bacula-sd-mysql is installed? |
| 11:42.43 | kotique | really, i want just sqlite3 DB, not mysql. |
| 11:43.04 | stew | kotique: that's what you are getting |
| 11:43.06 | kotique | going to wipe it out and try again. hold on for more action ;) |
| 11:43.09 | stew | why |
| 11:43.30 | stew | kotique: you see that it is installing bacula-director-sqlite3 libsqlite0 sqlite3 |
| 11:43.38 | stew | bacula-common-sqlite3 |
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| 11:44.10 | kotique | well, I look at lines "Install the following packages:", "Remove the following packages:" |
| 11:44.23 | stew | kotique: look a few lines up "The following NEW packages will be installed" |
| 11:44.42 | stew | kotique: the ""Install the following packages:", "Remove the following packages:" refers to what it is doing about "The following packages have unmet dependencies" |
| 11:44.45 | Number5_ | hello guys, I want to start learning php programming, but when executing a simple php script using shell, I get permission denied. I work on Lenny. How to solve permission denied...? My php is located at /usr/bin/php. |
| 11:44.49 | kotique | I don't get your package manager, really7. |
| 11:44.57 | stew | kotique: what don't you get about it? |
| 11:45.07 | kotique | okay, now everyting's clear |
| 11:45.28 | nsadmin | kotique: debian ropes you in a bit more than gentoo, and much more than things like slack and linux-from-scratch... are you a "yes" to being roped in? :) |
| 11:45.35 | kotique | it's non intuitive. When you output somehthing, make sure it's written clearly. So I don't have to go up the screen and understand what belongs to where |
| 11:45.50 | kotique | I'm defginitely no |
| 11:46.11 | stew | kotique: make it so that some of the output is completely ignorable becauase you only want to read the last few lines? |
| 11:46.23 | kotique | i'm that kind of guy who would steal a good movie instead of watching some artistic crap |
| 11:46.36 | kotique | thus, i'm all about enterprise, centos and epel |
| 11:46.41 | stew | kotique: i guess you want it to NOT tell you how it is going to satisfy your bacula desires? |
| 11:47.02 | stew | so don't tell you about installing sqllite until you tell it how to deal with the broken bacula-sd-mysql package? |
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| 11:47.09 | nsadmin | aha. if you're a "no" to that, you should look closer and see if debian would serve you in a way that has you feel comfortable |
| 11:47.09 | stew | that would make much less sense in most scenarios |
| 11:47.09 | kotique | stew, understand that I'm just an admin, I don't flip bits in package manager's database, i'm an end user for package manager |
| 11:47.28 | nsadmin | if you're still a "no"... |
| 11:47.38 | stew | kotique: ok? |
| 11:47.52 | stew | kotique: so you don't want to read the output, but you want to understand what it is going to do without reading it |
| 11:47.55 | stew | or something |
| 11:48.01 | stew | you aren't going to get what you want here, sorry |
| 11:48.13 | nsadmin | then maybe you dn't like debian... I dunno for sure, since I'm not you |
| 11:48.24 | stew | its clear he doesnt |
| 11:48.37 | nsadmin | but I simply offer that as a point of thought for you to consider |
| 11:48.45 | kotique | okay, i've got the problem. You should indent "The following actions will resolve these dependencies:" from the rest of output. make a newline or two |
| 11:49.07 | stew | kotique: make a patch, and submit it as a wishlist bug to the aptitude package |
| 11:49.10 | kotique | The following packages are BROKEN: should be indented too, put a newline before it |
| 11:49.14 | stew | shoudl be a simple patch |
| 11:49.50 | nsadmin | kotique: right, patches > rants :) |
| 11:50.24 | stew | well its the only realistic way the change is going to happen, short of someone getting paid to do it |
| 11:51.30 | kotique | that's why I like rhel derived products - really, I open a bug, pretend i'm a rhel user and they fix it, it goes into centos relaease |
| 11:51.46 | kotique | but don't tell anyone |
| 11:51.54 | stew | unlike redhat, debian is all volunteer developed |
| 11:52.29 | kotique | you know what, it's all fine when I press accept solution, it shows what's going to be installed, removed. which is aboslutely okay |
| 11:52.42 | stew | so if you have an itch you want scratched, best to scratch it yourself instead of waiting for someone else to get the same itch |
| 11:52.43 | smv | indenting will never be a solution for those that don't read the output. |
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| 11:52.53 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure redhat is owned by the same venture capitalists that bought and gutted arsdigita |
| 11:53.46 | nsadmin | if that's the case... -watch out-... they also own cygnus |
| 11:53.47 | kotique | stew, you're telling that to someone who hacked rhel CA source and immplemented the functionality he needed |
| 11:54.22 | kotique | smv, it will be, trust me, it's the hunman nature - if you see something in bulk, you think it belongs to that bulk/group. |
| 11:54.28 | kotique | if it's separate, then it's separate |
| 11:54.36 | stew | kotique: "apt-get source aptitude" will get you the source then |
| 11:54.59 | kotique | okay, now I want to update the kernel |
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| 11:55.17 | nsadmin | kotique: I don't necessarily agree with stew more than half the time... but he's right here in my opinion: he's just saying "supply a patch" |
| 11:55.40 | stew | nsadmin: :( |
| 11:55.54 | stew | nsadmin: you should agree with me 100% always |
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| 11:56.34 | stew | nsadmin: botsnack |
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| 11:56.48 | nsbot | I agree I agree I agree I agree I agr WHAPPP! |
| 11:56.51 | nsbot | owwww! |
| 11:57.25 | nsbot | hands stew a donut |
| 11:57.50 | ubiquitous1980 | I am installing debian squeeze in vbox, why does gnome not get installed automatically |
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| 11:58.06 | stew | ubiquitous1980: did you choose the "desktop" task? |
| 11:58.25 | ubiquitous1980 | might have missed it, it defaulted to ncurses installer |
| 11:58.51 | stew | ubiquitous1980: yes, it defaults to a ncurses installer, not that it matters much, the graphical installer is exactly the same with nicer fonts |
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| 11:59.16 | ubiquitous1980 | so the ncurses installer had the desktop task, I just missed it? |
| 11:59.20 | stew | ubiquitous1980: but at the end you are asked if you want a [] standard install [] Web server [] desktop... |
| 11:59.34 | ubiquitous1980 | well I am a goat then |
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| 11:59.45 | stew | if you checked desktop there you should get gnome. you can get it now with "tasksel install desktop" |
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| 11:59.57 | stew | or aptitude install gnome xorg |
| 12:00.06 | ubiquitous1980 | cheers |
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| 12:02.40 | negge | I'm trying to get Debian running on a very old IBM Thinkpad (model 365XD to be exact). I've managed to boot Lenny on it successfully, but the console only uses a small part of the screen (like when a laptop is booting windows XP you know), and I can't seem to change it. Any hints? |
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| 12:03.57 | stew | negge: try /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
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| 12:07.35 | fruitwerks | I am having trouble getting my cron settings right.. some of my scripts handle reporting internally - that is all good, but I can't figure out how to stop getting emails for the stuff I don't need to know about, and I can't find where 'mailto' is set |
| 12:08.02 | stew | fruitwerks: it sends to the user running the job |
| 12:08.28 | stew | unless MAILTO is set explicitly |
| 12:08.44 | fruitwerks | I read that.. so where is that email defined in the absence of mailto? |
| 12:08.57 | stew | it goes to the user running the job |
| 12:09.27 | babilen | fruitwerks: You can use I/O redirection in your cron jobs -- e.g. "cmd 1>/dev/null 2>&1" will provide no output *at all* |
| 12:09.28 | stew | who it ultimately is delivered to might be effected by /etc/alias |
| 12:09.30 | fruitwerks | ok - well somehow they are getting forwarded to gmail |
| 12:09.33 | stew | aliasa* |
| 12:09.36 | stew | i can't type |
| 12:10.19 | stew | fruitwerks: check /etc/aliases or your mail server settings to see why that user's mail is getting sent to gmail |
| 12:10.30 | BlackFate | fruitwerks, you use ssmtp? |
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| 12:11.38 | fruitwerks | ssmtp is not instaled, and aliases has no real / routable email addy's defined |
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| 12:12.48 | babilen | fruitwerks: exim4 as smarthost? |
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| 12:13.16 | fruitwerks | exim is installed.. |
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| 12:14.52 | fruitwerks | where are the exim 'aliases'? |
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| 12:17.16 | negge | stew: I get no list of modes when running hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 12:18.06 | negge | if I set vga=scan when booting I just get to choose how many characters I want on my screen, not the actual resolution |
| 12:18.22 | stew | negge: yeah, because vga=scan isn't using framebuffer |
| 12:18.30 | stew | negge: you ran hwinfo in a console, not in X, right? |
| 12:18.41 | stew | (istr that making a difference) |
| 12:18.43 | negge | stew: yes I only have a minimal system installed |
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| 12:19.10 | stew | negge: do you know your monitor's native resolution? |
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| 12:20.38 | negge | stew: I think it's 800x600, but I can't remember correctly. I know for a fact that DSL uses the whole screen, although I'm anxious to see if I can get a semi-usable 2.6-based system on it |
| 12:21.34 | negge | native resolution is definitely 800x600, I checked |
| 12:21.55 | hydra | negge: xrandr ? |
| 12:22.02 | negge | hydra: I don't use X |
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| 12:22.07 | stew | negge: try vga=0x303 |
| 12:22.17 | negge | I will |
| 12:23.01 | hydra | negge: for 800x600 0x314 or 0x317 can work iir |
| 12:23.09 | hydra | I used that a lot time ago |
| 12:23.23 | hydra | negge: I recommend you using KMS |
| 12:23.30 | hydra | and avoid that way to go |
| 12:23.48 | stew | 0x303 is 256 color, 0x314 is 64k colors, 0x317 is 1024x768 at 64k colors |
| 12:23.59 | negge | stew: "Undefined video mode number: 303" |
| 12:24.02 | hydra | but you will |
| 12:24.20 | stew | negge: you used 0x303 not just 303, right? |
| 12:24.21 | negge | press enter to see modes available and I get to choose between 80x25 chars, 80x50 and so on |
| 12:24.30 | negge | stew: yes vga=0x303 |
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| 12:24.47 | hydra | *ignore my last message |
| 12:24.47 | negge | I'm gonna try again just to be certain |
| 12:25.11 | negge | the code for the suggested video modes are "F01", "F02" and so on, which sound kinda weird |
| 12:25.16 | hydra | negge: I think has something to do with the recent kernels |
| 12:25.17 | hydra | etc |
| 12:25.38 | hydra | some time ago it worked for me, but for some reason (I guess KMS or something) this doesn't works anymore |
| 12:25.49 | hydra | I mean using vga=0x314,etc. |
| 12:26.29 | negge | I'm running 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 12:27.02 | stew | negge: what does "lspci | grep VGA" return? |
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| 12:27.24 | fruitwerks | thanks all |
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| 12:28.09 | negge | stew: haven't finished booting yet but it has a Trident chip |
| 12:28.20 | negge | "Trident Cyber 9320" according to the web |
| 12:28.48 | negge | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061860 according to these guys you need to compile VESAFB into the kernel, I don't know if this is the case here but |
| 12:29.04 | negge | I'm running the stock lenny kernel on an etch userland |
| 12:30.20 | hydra | negge: probably yes, as M at least |
| 12:30.38 | negge | I've also tried svgatextmode (the screen blinks when it starts at boot but the resolution remains unchanged) |
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| 12:31.00 | negge | hydra: is there any way to see the current running kernels configuration? |
| 12:31.14 | stew | negge: make sure the uvesafb kernel module is loaded first |
| 12:31.18 | hydra | cat /proc/config.gz |
| 12:31.22 | hydra | * zcat sorry |
| 12:31.26 | stew | it won't exists |
| 12:31.29 | stew | exist |
| 12:31.34 | stew | and I can tell you it is built as a module |
| 12:31.37 | hydra | zcat /proc/config.gz (if it's compiled the config supporT) |
| 12:31.38 | hydra | support |
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| 12:31.51 | stew | hydra: it is compiled as a module and /proc/config.gz doesn't exist |
| 12:31.55 | hydra | negge: lsmod / modprobe |
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| 12:32.10 | stew | negge: you can switch to this at runtime, but I don't remember how in etch |
| 12:32.18 | hydra | stew: doesn't exists because you need support (build your kernel) |
| 12:32.46 | stew | hydra: i know, but its not necessary since his config is in /boot |
| 12:32.54 | hydra | good |
| 12:32.56 | negge | what module is supposed to be loaded? |
| 12:32.58 | hydra | (didn't noticed) |
| 12:33.02 | hydra | (I use Gentoo) |
| 12:33.17 | stew | negge: uvesafb |
| 12:33.23 | ubiquitous1980 | gentoo? |
| 12:33.23 | ubiquitous1980 | why |
| 12:33.29 | negge | stew: it's not there |
| 12:33.45 | stew | negge: not where? |
| 12:33.50 | negge | stew: in lsmod |
| 12:33.54 | negge | modprobeing it fails |
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| 12:34.03 | stew | fails with what error? |
| 12:34.12 | negge | "make sure v86d helper is installed and executable" |
| 12:34.39 | stew | judd: file v86d |
| 12:34.42 | judd | v86d in lenny/i386: v86d: sbin/v86d, usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/v86d |
| 12:34.48 | stew | judd: file v86d --release etch |
| 12:34.50 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 12:34.53 | negge | damn |
| 12:35.03 | stew | judd might just not know about etch: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:36.00 | negge | according to packages.debian.org I should have all the dependencies to apt-pin it |
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| 12:39.03 | stew | negge: you should not mix two different stable releases. you should probably just upgrade to lenny |
| 12:39.08 | stew | note that etch is no longer supported |
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| 12:39.39 | negge | stew: I'm afraid this machine can't handle it |
| 12:39.41 | ubiquitous1980 | so etch is the latest, I'll find it and install now |
| 12:39.45 | negge | it's only got 40 MB of RAM |
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| 12:39.58 | negge | but I guess it could be worth a shot |
| 12:40.10 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: etch is not the latest .. pleas don't install that |
| 12:40.27 | ubiquitous1980 | abrotman: why not, it will be stable as |
| 12:40.41 | abrotman | etch is not stable, etch is oldstable .. Lenny is stable .. /topic |
| 12:40.51 | ubiquitous1980 | but it will be very very stable |
| 12:41.01 | abrotman | no, it's full of security holes |
| 12:41.09 | ubiquitous1980 | lol |
| 12:41.12 | cryptr | cryptr@golge:~$ uname -a |
| 12:41.12 | cryptr | Linux golge 2.6.8-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:53 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:41.12 | cryptr | cryptr@golge:~$ uptime 13:00:29 up 1090 days, 20:42, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 12:41.15 | ubiquitous1980 | i was just kidding anyways |
| 12:41.15 | cryptr | etch :) |
| 12:41.25 | abrotman | cryptr: that's a sarge kernel |
| 12:41.26 | ubiquitous1980 | etch was a disaster for me actually |
| 12:41.28 | jelly | cryptr: with a sarge kernel |
| 12:41.31 | botmind | Hi. I am having problems with cutom fonts display within web browsers. Those which are defined in css with @font-face {..} tag.. they just don't work for me and all I'm getting - browser's default font. Tried in Iceweasel, Epiphany, Konqueror. But on Windows with Firefox it works fine! |
| 12:41.39 | abrotman | cryptr: far from impressed |
| 12:41.45 | negge | stew: crap, couldn't install v86d after all, libc is too old |
| 12:42.22 | cryptr | abrotman: true sarge. i are confused :) |
| 12:42.38 | abrotman | cryptr: not exactly something to brag about |
| 12:42.38 | cryptr | but still stable :) |
| 12:42.50 | cryptr | abrotman: not braging who said i was braging? |
| 12:43.16 | ubiquitous1980 | guys, squeeze only offers the following: mail server ssh server standard system utilities, I am not seeing desktop activity anywhere |
| 12:43.26 | cryptr | it's and etch upgraded system just pointing out it was working and still stable |
| 12:43.27 | abrotman | "etch :)" .. doesn't seem like a "crap, maybe I should upgrade this" |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: did you setup a network apt source? |
| 12:43.50 | botmind | Hmm but in Google chrome it seems to be working!! |
| 12:43.52 | ubiquitous1980 | no |
| 12:44.06 | ubiquitous1980 | why would that be needed off of the cd? |
| 12:44.11 | abrotman | which CD? |
| 12:44.14 | ubiquitous1980 | cd1 |
| 12:44.31 | abrotman | dunno, i use the netinst (obviously not enough space for a desktop in there) |
| 12:45.49 | ubiquitous1980 | pretty odd |
| 12:45.54 | ubiquitous1980 | I have gone through 4 installs |
| 12:45.56 | ubiquitous1980 | no |
| 12:45.57 | ubiquitous1980 | 3 |
| 12:46.14 | ubiquitous1980 | and it won't let me do it, I know the files are on the cd :( |
| 12:46.52 | abrotman | i'm sure you can figure out how to install it after the install is completed |
| 12:46.58 | ubiquitous1980 | yeah ofc |
| 12:47.02 | babilen | ubiquitous1980: It should not be a big problem though to run tasksel after the installation or even to install the packages you want. No idea why the "Desktop" task is not offered in d-i though :-\ |
| 12:47.06 | ubiquitous1980 | just tasksel |
| 12:47.11 | ubiquitous1980 | yeah |
| 12:47.12 | ubiquitous1980 | dunno |
| 12:47.28 | ubiquitous1980 | ofc, being debian, it will be fixed by release |
| 12:47.35 | abrotman | maybe it's a feature |
| 12:47.40 | ubiquitous1980 | hahah |
| 12:47.44 | ubiquitous1980 | a bug as a feature |
| 12:49.10 | negge | man this computer is slow... |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | The idea that making it easy to install a desktop is a bug or feature is debateable :) |
| 12:50.19 | qq- | negge, cpu @20 MHz ? |
| 12:50.23 | negge | no 120 |
| 12:50.40 | abrotman | negge: hopefully you have more than 64MB RAM |
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| 12:51.24 | negge | abrotman: nope just 40 |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | cringes |
| 12:52.31 | negge | it's the maximum supported, it came with 8MB out of the box |
| 12:52.40 | negge | http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/thinkpad-365xd-pent-120/1707-3121_7-218940.html |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | you mean 8MB on the board? |
| 12:53.32 | abrotman | negge: eh .. i think my friend had the exact same model |
| 12:53.45 | negge | abrotman: yeah |
| 12:53.56 | negge | it's got an extra 32MB module installed |
| 12:54.00 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 12:54.02 | negge | it's a nice machine |
| 12:54.16 | abrotman | he hated it .. forget why |
| 12:54.29 | negge | too bad it uses some old PCMCIA standard so modern WLAN cards don't work |
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| 12:56.18 | abrotman | that's PCCard IIRC .. you should be able to find an 802.11b card on ebay that sohuld work |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | (or a card that gives you USB sockets and go from there) |
| 12:56.44 | negge | I thought it was the same thing |
| 12:56.53 | negge | pccard and pcmcia I mean |
| 12:57.02 | negge | I've got an ethernet adapter though |
| 12:57.24 | abrotman | it's the type/version that matters IIRC ... |
| 12:57.30 | negge | I guesss |
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| 12:58.20 | abrotman | http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Port-USB-2-0-Express-Card-480Mbps-Type-II-F-PC-Laptop-/130405793623?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5cca7f57 ... something like that (don't buy that because i said it would work, do some research) |
| 12:58.51 | abrotman | but you sohuld be able to find a wifi card that will work, but it will be old |
| 12:59.52 | hydra | FYI only http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 (scroll down) |
| 13:00.07 | hydra | negge: see, that works fine with linux ;-) |
| 13:00.15 | hydra | and has more RAM :P |
| 13:00.18 | ubiquitous1980 | well that's amusing |
| 13:00.26 | ubiquitous1980 | tasksel doesn't offer desktop either |
| 13:00.26 | ubiquitous1980 | lol |
| 13:00.50 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: did you setup an http source and aptitude update? |
| 13:01.11 | ubiquitous1980 | abrotman: no, I am not using the netinstall disk, and I am using the cd1 |
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| 13:01.59 | aHardyX | umm...I am getting this error while booting: "init not found" what should I do? |
| 13:02.40 | Rienzilla | either you mounted the wrong disk/partition as root |
| 13:02.50 | Rienzilla | or init has disappeared (unlikely) |
| 13:03.03 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: that's not what i asked you |
| 13:03.10 | aHardyX | this happened after a power failure |
| 13:03.36 | ubiquitous1980 | abrotman: the answer to your question is now yes |
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| 13:03.54 | ubiquitous1980 | well I did the update bit |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: and you still have no Desktop task ? |
| 13:04.12 | abrotman | you might want to do a full-upgrade .. |
| 13:04.28 | ubiquitous1980 | are sources not correct in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:05.20 | abrotman | you show me .. paste.debian.net |
| 13:06.08 | ubiquitous1980 | it's in a vm sorry |
| 13:06.18 | abrotman | so? |
| 13:06.19 | ubiquitous1980 | and I cbf sshing into a vbox machine |
| 13:06.29 | abrotman | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 13:06.30 | judd | Package pastebinit on i386 -- lenny: 0.10-2lenny1; sid: 1.1-2; squeeze: 1.1-2; experimental: 1.1-3 |
| 13:06.32 | abrotman | voila |
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| 13:06.42 | nsadmin | viola? |
| 13:06.51 | ubiquitous1980 | well that would be nice if the package management system was playing nice right now :) |
| 13:07.12 | nsadmin | grab the .deb |
| 13:07.24 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: aptitude update && aptitude install pastebinit .. what doesn't work ? |
| 13:07.56 | ubiquitous1980 | abrotman, it simply can't find pastebinit |
| 13:08.09 | abrotman | then sounds like you don't have your sources setup correctly, or your network is broken |
| 13:08.19 | nsadmin | when you say "it's in a vm sorry" what does that mean? |
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| 13:08.20 | ubiquitous1980 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pastebinit" |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | nsadmin: stop |
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| 13:08.42 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: do you have a line like "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:08.47 | nsadmin | not until and unless you state reason. |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | you're not helping |
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| 13:09.01 | nsadmin | proof |
| 13:09.10 | abrotman | proof you are? :) |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: or do you only have the CD lines? |
| 13:09.26 | ubiquitous1980 | that is interesting, it only has the cd and updates |
| 13:09.31 | ubiquitous1980 | that is quite odd |
| 13:09.50 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: add the line i gave above .. then `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` .. then run tasksel, see if there is a desktop task now |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | or if you'd prefer a different mirror in .au, let me know, there are quite a few |
| 13:10.19 | nsadmin | nevermind, it's your opinion, and I don't agree |
| 13:10.31 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: actually, hold on, your ISP has a mirror |
| 13:10.44 | ubiquitous1980 | abrotman, yes it does |
| 13:10.56 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: add this line instead "deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 13:11.03 | abrotman | won't ask about that directory structure |
| 13:11.10 | nsadmin | that ought to be quick too |
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| 13:11.35 | ubiquitous1980 | yeah not too bad |
| 13:11.52 | ubiquitous1980 | they host lots of stuff |
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| 13:12.10 | abrotman | wishes either his work ISP or home ISP had a mirror |
| 13:12.12 | ubiquitous1980 | just quite odd that tasksel isn't working properly out of the box |
| 13:12.21 | ubiquitous1980 | my isp rocks |
| 13:12.29 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: you weren't referencing any sources that had a Desktop to install |
| 13:12.31 | ubiquitous1980 | it supports GNU/Linux heavily if you haven't noticed. |
| 13:12.41 | ubiquitous1980 | well the cd has the files |
| 13:12.46 | ubiquitous1980 | so it is odd |
| 13:12.51 | JKL_ | has anyone here implemented password authentication for gitolite? |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | oh, yes .. CD1 .. Oh well |
| 13:13.00 | abrotman | you want more than that anyway |
| 13:13.02 | ubiquitous1980 | is there a bug out on that? |
| 13:13.02 | nsadmin | abrotman: look at this: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian |
| 13:13.20 | nsadmin | that pretty much explains the structure |
| 13:13.23 | abrotman | right, and? |
| 13:13.26 | nsadmin | that pretty much explains the structure |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | not really, but okay |
| 13:13.45 | nsadmin | youi're just saying it could be better |
| 13:13.50 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: Did you finish your update yet? did you re-run tasksel yet? |
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| 13:14.15 | ubiquitous1980 | yeah rerunning tasksel, has the required entry now |
| 13:14.33 | ubiquitous1980 | so very odd. |
| 13:14.40 | ubiquitous1980 | well now this is working I must be off |
| 13:14.41 | ubiquitous1980 | :) |
| 13:14.45 | ubiquitous1980 | i will be back another time. |
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| 13:14.46 | abrotman | required? :) |
| 13:14.57 | ubiquitous1980 | graphical desktop environment |
| 13:14.59 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: enjoy! |
| 13:15.15 | ubiquitous1980 | thanks mate, you too and thanks also nsadmin for the entertainment |
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| 13:16.04 | nsadmin | see? I did help! |
| 13:16.09 | chicogngnuu | the channel bot has a hardware identification |
| 13:16.16 | chicogngnuu | from where it takes information ? |
| 13:16.28 | nsadmin | you mean judd and pciid, right? |
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| 13:16.47 | Rhisa | Hi. |
| 13:16.54 | chicogngnuu | nsadmin, yes |
| 13:16.57 | nsadmin | you probably can ask themill, but judd is a front end to udd, ultimate debian database |
| 13:16.58 | abrotman | yes .. you were "entertaining" .. that's not helping |
| 13:17.21 | abrotman | chicogngnuu: i believe that's out of date, but you can /msg dpkg hcl if you want something similar |
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| 13:18.49 | chicogngnuu | tks |
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| 13:21.32 | kusanagi_ | where is the PATH read from? I have a daemon running in a computer. I need to change its path to be able to find some files... the daemon is launched via system init.d. Where can i modify this PATH? |
| 13:21.36 | negge | stew: still no luck unfortunately |
| 13:23.50 | G69 | Boa tarde |
| 13:24.29 | nsadmin | kusanagi_: each different program that is set up so it can run at the same time as another, is a "process", each process has its own environment vars, PATH is one |
| 13:24.30 | cryptr | kusanagi_: /etc/bash.bashrc if using bash as shell or .profile and .bashrc |
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| 13:24.45 | abrotman | what about /etc/profile ? |
| 13:25.12 | cryptr | add that to the list also, and PATH in the script |
| 13:25.27 | nsadmin | it depends on whether those variables get copied into the server daemon's process |
| 13:25.47 | nsadmin | the daemon itself could set its own PATH |
| 13:25.56 | abrotman | he could just prepend the init script starting line perhaps |
| 13:26.33 | nsadmin | you mean like PATH=foo /etc/init.d/somethign restart? |
| 13:26.58 | chicogngnuu | judd, pciid 8086:0044 |
| 13:27.00 | judd | [8086:0044] is 'Core Processor DRAM Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0044 |
| 13:27.04 | kusanagi_ | mmm i guess i could add the PATH to the init.d script |
| 13:27.11 | kusanagi_ | thanks! |
| 13:27.21 | nsadmin | kusanagi_: besure to export it |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | chicogngnuu: as i said above, i believe that's out of date |
| 13:27.36 | kusanagi_ | export PATH=blahbla:$PATH |
| 13:27.40 | kusanagi_ | sure thanks nsadmin ;D |
| 13:27.42 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 13:27.54 | nsadmin | and note that you might also want... |
| 13:28.02 | nsadmin | to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:28.10 | kusanagi_ | what is that? |
| 13:28.23 | chicogngnuu | abrotman, np, are usefull enough to me even if out of date |
| 13:28.26 | nsadmin | path to dynamic libs |
| 13:28.35 | nsadmin | look at /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 13:28.39 | chicogngnuu | judd, pciid 8086:0046 |
| 13:28.41 | judd | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
| 13:28.45 | abrotman | chicogngnuu: you can msg the bot |
| 13:28.56 | kusanagi_ | also, maybe ill add another script, because I want this entry to be first entry in the PATH... so it get this executables first |
| 13:28.59 | yareckon | i have a debian lenny vm that I am setting up and it is hanging forever tring to connect to security.debian.org |
| 13:29.10 | yareckon | 35% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2)] |
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| 13:29.26 | yareckon | had this issue last month too on another install |
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| 13:29.29 | yareckon | anyone know a solution? |
| 13:29.46 | yareckon | eventually it connects, but it's getting to be a real annoyance |
| 13:31.07 | yareckon | could it be that a server has new dns or something? |
| 13:32.25 | nsadmin | kusanagi_: so then you want to prepend to path (add the new stuff to the left side) |
| 13:33.31 | nsadmin | adding to the right side looks like this: PATH=$PATH:/new/stuff:/another/new/dir |
| 13:33.56 | nsadmin | which means it would be searched after all the original dirs in PATH have been searched |
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| 13:34.29 | nsadmin | adding to the left side looks like this: PATH=/new/stuff:/another/new/dir:$PATH |
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| 13:35.21 | kusanagi_ | nsadmin, yeah, no, but i am gonna add another script and run it the last one |
| 13:35.36 | kusanagi_ | nsadmin, because another script could add some stuff |
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| 13:35.48 | itchi | !tell yareckon about security.debian.org |
| 13:36.46 | yareckon | I don't appear to be being told... |
| 13:37.11 | itchi | !security.debian.org |
| 13:37.11 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 13:37.39 | abrotman | itchi: i think he's already done that .. |
| 13:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yareckon, sounds a bit like a dns problem... |
| 13:37.45 | itchi | abrotman: i thought |
| 13:37.51 | abrotman | seems like DNS or ipv6 |
| 13:37.59 | yareckon | does seem that way |
| 13:38.20 | yareckon | logging in at home gives me the same ipv4 dns results though |
| 13:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | see if nslookup/dig takes long |
| 13:38.22 | ondrejk | hello, we're going to build new debian servers and im wondering if use of ext2 for /var/log directory will affect server performance, what fs for /var/log are you using? |
| 13:38.46 | joltcan | ondrejk: I hope you mean ext3? |
| 13:38.47 | itchi | ondrejk: the ext3 |
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| 13:39.20 | ondrejk | my colleague uses ext2 for /var/log because it doesnt have an jurnal |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | ondrejk: why not use ext3, the journaling isn't much of a performance hit and it makes your data a bit safer |
| 13:39.29 | itchi | almost everyone use ext3 except for special cases |
| 13:39.49 | ondrejk | he says its better for this directory, so i wanted to ask more peoples .. |
| 13:39.56 | abrotman | did you ask him why? |
| 13:40.19 | ondrejk | abrotman: because of ext2 doesn not have an jurnal |
| 13:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a reason |
| 13:40.34 | ondrejk | so it will not hit server performance |
| 13:40.44 | yareckon | how much are you logging |
| 13:40.49 | ttiicc | I really wonder why debian is not calling the testing version as desktop!? do you guys get the point? |
| 13:41.02 | itchi | ondrejk: Seems you and you friend have another definition of better |
| 13:41.05 | ondrejk | yareckon: it will be webservers with many many visitors |
| 13:41.09 | yareckon | cutting down that will improve yer perf more than changing to a non journaled filesystem |
| 13:41.14 | abrotman | ondrejk: on a modern system it would be like 0.000000001% |
| 13:41.24 | icebrain | ttiicc: what? lots of people use Stable as desktop |
| 13:41.31 | nsadmin | ttiicc: not the original intent, and not what it's used for |
| 13:41.32 | itchi | ondrejk: You mean faster, and that's it, but not better, better will be somethings more secure (and probably a little bit slower) |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | ttiicc: because it's "testing' not "Desktop" .. it's not confusing at all |
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| 13:42.02 | yareckon | ondrejk, I would want whatever I am trying to "log" by definition to be more secure |
| 13:42.03 | abrotman | ondrejk: he could mount it noatime and probably offset that penalty .. |
| 13:42.15 | nsadmin | ttiicc: you're trying to drive home the point that testing should be desktop because it's newer |
| 13:42.33 | abrotman | ondrejk: of course .. you could just benchmark the whole thing and prove us wrong :) |
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| 13:42.51 | ttiicc | stable it's to stable for desktops, it's only used for servers. testing on the otherhand is stable enough for desktops and the program are more upto date! |
| 13:42.59 | itchi | Or event don't log if your realy don't care |
| 13:42.59 | ondrejk | abrotman: im not saying you're wrong, i just wanted to ask :) |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | ttiicc: that's wrong .. please don't say that |
| 13:43.22 | babilen | ttiicc: testing is not stable at all |
| 13:43.23 | abrotman | ttiicc: there are times when 'testing' is a complete mess and not suitable for a desktop |
| 13:43.27 | yareckon | ondrejk, look up benchmarks for ext3 vs ext2, or do some benchmarking with apachebench (ab) or seige |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | yareckon: i think Tso just did some |
| 13:43.39 | babilen | !tell ttiicc -about stable |
| 13:43.43 | abrotman | or maybe that was ext4 and ext3 |
| 13:43.43 | ondrejk | ok, thank guys :) |
| 13:43.46 | yareckon | there is a performance penaldy for jurnaling, but not much |
| 13:43.59 | lord_rob | isn't possible to use ext3 without a journal ? does that mean ext2 ? |
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| 13:44.06 | yareckon | basically |
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| 13:44.26 | nsadmin | ttiicc, like a coupla weeks ago,... testing wasn't installable for a moment |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/ .. yeah, it was ext3 vs ext4 |
| 13:44.32 | ttiicc | ok I give up! but still I sees the stable version only for servers and the testing version only as my desktop version which I use at home |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | whoops .. stpuid colors |
| 13:44.43 | abrotman | ttiicc: that's fine .. but don't tell others that .. it's not true |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | testing may seem 'stable' right now, but about three weeks after squeeze releases it will probably be pretty buggy |
| 13:45.45 | nsadmin | ttiicc, some desktop users want well-tested stuff |
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| 13:45.49 | SlayerXP | tries to understand the concept of "too stable for desktops" |
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| 13:46.10 | ttiicc | hahaha okej there you had a point abrotman |
| 13:46.15 | smiler | SlayerXP: s/stable/old/ and it might be easier to grasp |
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| 13:46.30 | iess | there are over 800 bugs in lenny |
| 13:46.39 | abrotman | RC bugs .. there are way more general bugs |
| 13:46.41 | smv | is using ext4 with noatime on a very slow system and is as fast as ext2 on the same system |
| 13:46.47 | nsadmin | SlayerXP: most desktop tables have really strong wooden legs, so the top of the desktop can be more shakyer |
| 13:46.51 | iceroot | i am building a dep and using install on a directory. i get this inflating: plg_jckeditor/jckeditor/plugins/templates/templates/default.jsplg_jckeditor/jckeditor/plugins/templates/templates/images/: ucsize 2988 <> csize 0 for STORED entry continuing with "compressed" size value ls -all is showing me the size of 2988 for default.js, so what is the problem here? |
| 13:47.03 | iceroot | deb |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i'm sorry, are you new to #debian? :) |
| 13:47.25 | SlayerXP | abrotman: yeah, first day. |
| 13:47.31 | ttiicc | what is a RC bug? |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 13:47.37 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 13:47.40 | nsadmin | release critical |
| 13:47.45 | ttiicc | ok |
| 13:47.49 | yareckon | bugs that are almost stable |
| 13:47.52 | yareckon | :) |
| 13:48.04 | SlayerXP | abrotman: by the way, twiggz needs a little LARTing |
| 13:48.14 | abrotman | for those of you keeping score on that graph, the blue line is for Lenny, the green line is for Squeeze |
| 13:48.26 | abrotman | SlayerXP: eh? |
| 13:48.45 | SlayerXP | abrotman: see scrollback from this morning, if you can go back that far, or care. :) |
| 13:48.57 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i don't have it, but i can get it .. thakns |
| 13:49.11 | abrotman | he's not supposed to be here, someone else removed the ban |
| 13:49.55 | SlayerXP | i'd have cheerfully kicked his offensive little booty out of the channel, except I'm not an op |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you can use !ops |
| 13:50.15 | SlayerXP | i did |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
| 13:51.01 | bolt | http://pastebin.com/Xc0pSQit <-- can anyone tell me why this doesn't work as I expect? I want it to close the connection when I say "exit". instead, it seems to halfway restart and then print an error and crash as soon as i type something else. |
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| 13:57.02 | xyan | bolt: your exit function just breaks out of your read line while loop, gets back into the while true loop and starts again.. put an explicit exit under your echo "connection closed"? |
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| 13:58.29 | NginUS | why is the column called 'IO>' always at 99% on my server, even when 'Disk Read' & 'Disk Write' are at 0 M/s? |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | NginUS: in which application ? |
| 13:58.57 | NginUS | iotop |
| 13:58.57 | bolt | xyan: but shouldn't breaking the read line loop stop netcat, and thus the telnet session? |
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| 13:59.13 | abrotman | NginUS: the iowait% means things waiting for IO .. something could be blocking IO |
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| 13:59.31 | et | slow nfs or something, or broken disks ;) |
| 13:59.40 | bolt | xyan: i want it to disconect the current client and be ready to accept new ones, so i wouldn't want to just exit |
| 13:59.55 | NginUS | abrotman : thanks, I couldn't find what that column was. |
| 14:00.03 | abrotman | man top ? |
| 14:00.21 | NginUS | i did maniotop, k thx |
| 14:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, tried the kvm package in squeeze after we talked about it... seems horrible slow, though - and either stalling or hanging at some time :-/ |
| 14:00.44 | xyan | bolt: hrm well you start telnet from your client so i dont think the server can close it at all. im not sure if you can send a exit signal or something |
| 14:00.56 | xyan | bolt: but year exiting the server is a bad idea in that case |
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| 14:01.32 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: mine works perfectly, and is blazing fast compared to vmware... |
| 14:01.43 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: kvm is very hardware dependent, though |
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| 14:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess something is wrong... but really hard to find out what - kvm is enabled, it's not just regular qemu emulation, I know that |
| 14:02.31 | Guest43116 | hi all ... i have a quick question .. have a box with 3 ip's and i want to forward all connections to port 80 on ip 2 to port 9090 of the same ip any sugestions? |
| 14:02.34 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: qemu is rather slow, yes |
| 14:02.50 | iess | you can try -drive xxxx,cache=writeback |
| 14:03.03 | bolt | xyan: if I just do "netcat -l -p 1234", then connect with telnet and proceed to stop netcat (ctrl+c), telnet disconnects. i don't see why the same doesn't happen in my script. |
| 14:03.46 | xyan | bolt: run netcat verbose and see if it traps the ctrl+c and sends some magic over to telnet |
| 14:04.03 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: have you tried asking #kvm though? they might know, based on your CPU and such |
| 14:04.27 | nsadmin | Guest43116: seems like a simple iptables rule will do that |
| 14:04.39 | icebrain | Guest43116: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Iptables_forward |
| 14:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no... played around with it a bit, read the page on performance on their website... |
| 14:04.47 | xyan | bolt: other than that you could try to kill -SIGINT the netcat session by your server script and hope that the same thing as hitting ctrl+c will happen |
| 14:04.49 | bolt | xyan: doesn't seem like it. it even states "sent: 0, recv: 0" |
| 14:05.24 | iess | kvm -drive file=xxx.img,cache=writebak,aio=native |
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| 14:06.48 | iess | replace cache=writethrough to writeback can reduce the io to hard disk and improve the write speed |
| 14:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.06 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | -snapshot, actually, as else the crash would render the image unusable |
| 14:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | qemu: invalid cache option |
| 14:08.43 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: try installing virt-manager and make a machine there, perhaps. it does a lot of the options work for you |
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| 14:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, 'c' missing :) |
| 14:09.14 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: also, it has nice graphs |
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| 14:09.22 | iess | sorry ,back |
| 14:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, libvirtd has to run as root? |
| 14:09.48 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: think so |
| 14:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the vm can run as a regular user? |
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| 14:11.15 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: hm.. actually both libvirt and all my vm's are running as the user "libvirt-qemu" |
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| 14:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 14:12.22 | brbrbr | hi all |
| 14:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 14:14.30 | brbrbr | a got problem: after moving from lenny to sid/squeeze, my initramfs-tools breaks at initramfs building after im choose [bad idea in all senses for desktop]to "moigrate to dependent init"(or something like). question: is there any way to fix it (in rescue mode) ? p.s. im suppose cause of troubles in inside initramfs dm-crypt related customizations in Lenny |
| 14:15.43 | brbrbr | under "customizations" is bitlocker-style keyfiles-management("store on a UBS-stick" -way) |
| 14:15.47 | brbrbr | meant |
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| 14:21.41 | xyan | bolt: http://pastebin.com/HMmJmEzt |
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| 14:23.41 | xyan | bolt: you still end up with a running instance of netcat though, i dont know if you can trap signals with bash and kill the remaining instance on server exit |
| 14:23.54 | xyan | ll |
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| 14:30.20 | dury | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.03 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 14:31.29 | cryptr | hi there dury |
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| 14:32.00 | blue_anna | I am having trouble with the netinstall iso for powerpc |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | for squeeze or lenny? |
| 14:32.17 | blue_anna | squeeze |
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| 14:32.56 | abrotman | You'll have to give us more details (be aware there is a #debianppc and a #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:33.23 | dury | I got an .ec3 file it's anyway to convert it to .jpg? |
| 14:34.14 | abrotman | wtf is ec3 ? |
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| 14:34.29 | stew | dury: you can see if imagemagick knows how to deal with it. if it did "identify foo.ec3" would identify it and "convert foo.ec3 foo.jpg" would convert it |
| 14:35.06 | blue_anna | during boot, it loads to the screen where it sayssomething like "type foo to boot to install, or foo2 to boot to something .. etc.\n Release keys to continue" but i am not pressing any keys. and it wont let me type or give me a prompt |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | Epson CD Images? icky |
| 14:36.14 | blue_anna | convert to png and then save it from gimp if you want to control how lossy the jpg is |
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| 14:36.57 | stew | you can control how lossy the jpg is with convert as well |
| 14:37.07 | abrotman | blue_anna: this is with a daily or the Beta1? |
| 14:37.08 | dury | stew: I'm in www.imagemagick.org is it correct? |
| 14:37.32 | stew | dury: aptitude install imagemagick |
| 14:37.39 | blue_anna | beta1 |
| 14:38.54 | stew | blue_anna: i'd check lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc and ask in #debianppc (perhaps on irc.debian.org) |
| 14:38.59 | dury | stew: is it apt-get install imagemagick |
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| 14:39.10 | stew | dury: that would work as well |
| 14:39.27 | stew | blue_anna: and check bugs on the debian-installer pseudo-package |
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| 14:39.44 | dury | stew: right... I see :) |
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| 14:43.15 | bolt | xyan: yes, it seems breaking out of the while loop does indeed not stop netcat. currently trying to get the pid of the spawned subshell so i can kill it explicitly |
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| 14:45.16 | xyan | bolt: with signal trapping, kills the remaining nc instance and cleans up /tmp after a ctrl+c of the server ;-) http://pastebin.com/mFa4tiqe |
| 14:45.25 | dury | stew: how can I lanch it now |
| 14:45.46 | dury | can't find it |
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| 14:47.45 | stew | dury: how can you launch "identify foo.ec3" ? or what? |
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| 14:48.57 | dury | stew: in terminal? |
| 14:49.01 | stew | yes |
| 14:49.50 | dury | stew: foo it will be the file name... is it correct? |
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| 14:50.31 | stew | yes, "identify filename" will tell you if imagemagick knows how to deal with that type of file. if it will, convert will convert it to any other format it knows how to deal with |
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| 14:51.12 | dury | stew: right. :) |
| 14:51.23 | dury | stew: I will |
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| 14:57.18 | dury | stew : it says . identify: no decode delegate for this image format "foo.ec3" |
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| 15:00.05 | stew | dury: well I think that was your best chance, and you lost, i don't know what else to try, you could try gimp I guess, or else google |
| 15:00.05 | dury | stew |
| 15:00.16 | stew | dury: |
| 15:00.23 | Shadowcat | throws a snowball at stew |
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| 15:01.05 | xyan | dury: welcome to epson's vendor lock in program.. enjoy this beautiful proprietary image format! |
| 15:03.17 | dury | xyan: you want to sell me something? |
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| 15:04.45 | xyan | dury: no i dont, i was trying to clearify that your chances to convert this format to any other (open) image format are at roughly 0.1% percent |
| 15:05.46 | xyan | dury: get a old copy of epsons printcd application thats the only way to open/use these files. probably not useful on linux at all besides screenshooting its preview window |
| 15:06.39 | dury | xyan: I see what you mean really appreciate it.... sorry dude |
| 15:07.26 | xyan | dury: you dont have to be sorry, epson should be sorry for creating crap like that ;) |
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| 15:08.01 | dury | yeah you absolutely right |
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| 15:20.03 | terminator | Can someone take a look at this please http://pastebin.com/543byz42 |
| 15:21.35 | karlpinc | terminator: What version of debian? Have you been installing packages from non-debian repos or other debian versions? |
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| 15:21.54 | abrotman | !tell terminator about confmiss |
| 15:22.40 | terminator | I am using the current version of leany. I think its a depencies problem. |
| 15:22.59 | karlpinc | abrotman: That's good to know. I guess I don't make that mistake. |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | what is? |
| 15:23.17 | terminator | The error that I am getting |
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| 15:23.20 | karlpinc | abrotman: --force-confmiss stuff |
| 15:23.38 | abrotman | i'm guessing he manually removed the module file from /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
| 15:23.56 | karlpinc | terminator: Yes, pay attention to what abrotman had the bot tell you. |
| 15:24.01 | terminator | I used aptitude to remove and purga apache2 |
| 15:24.04 | abrotman | so when it reinstalls the package, it doesn't reinstall that file, and then when it tries to enable it, it freaks out because that file doesn't exist |
| 15:24.14 | abrotman | terminator: see what the bot told you .. try it, see if it works |
| 15:24.39 | karlpinc | loves dumping my brain into dpkg |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | prefers dumping dpkg into his brain |
| 15:25.04 | Shadowcat | moves both of you to /dev/null |
| 15:25.08 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 15:25.25 | terminator | Is the command to check all the depencies on the server? |
| 15:25.35 | dury | I'll be back soon dudes :) |
| 15:25.52 | dury | thanks a lot... chill out :) |
| 15:26.42 | abrotman | terminator: your package manager (aptitude in this case) should do that for you .. but it won't know if you've manually deleted files |
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| 15:27.10 | terminator | I did not manually deleted any files on the server. |
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| 15:27.31 | abrotman | okay .. try what the bot said anyway .. see what happens |
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| 15:28.35 | abrotman | terminator: there is no libapache2-mod-bwshare in lenny though |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | terminator: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please |
| 15:29.58 | abrotman | nor in etch |
| 15:30.02 | abrotman | it's not in Debian at all |
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| 15:31.46 | terminator | http://pastebin.com/i8nZPWbx I added one or two lines in that file because I am trying to install a webhost control panel http://pastebin.com/i8nZPWbx |
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| 15:32.49 | abrotman | terminator: okay .. did you try what the bot said with the confmiss stuff? |
| 15:33.26 | terminator | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.26 | dpkg | no idea, terminator |
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| 15:33.54 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 15:33.54 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 15:33.55 | abrotman | read it again |
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| 15:37.24 | terminator | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libapache2-mod-bwshare |
| 15:37.53 | abrotman | use aptitude ... |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | you were using aptitude before, the bot has an aptitude sample .. why would you use apt-get now ? |
| 15:38.52 | terminator | I do not know what command switches you want me to try with aptitude |
| 15:38.55 | nsadmin | it -was- the first sample |
| 15:39.03 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 15:39.04 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 15:39.12 | nsadmin | but the second is aptitude |
| 15:39.15 | abrotman | it's right there .. the last line "or using aptitude" |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: third |
| 15:39.46 | nsadmin | oh, becuse the first is dpkg? |
| 15:40.54 | terminator | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall libapache2-mod-bwshare? |
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| 15:41.44 | nsadmin | dns exploit? |
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| 15:41.53 | terminator | Correct? |
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| 15:42.03 | nsadmin | yes I read the twizzg lastlog |
| 15:42.12 | abrotman | terminator: yes, looks correct |
| 15:42.45 | nsadmin | what files of that package are considered conffiles? |
| 15:43.06 | terminator | Setting up libapache2-mod-bwshare (0.2.0-1) ... ERROR: Module bwshare does not exist! dpkg: error processing libapache2-mod-bwshare (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 15:43.40 | diago | Is there a way to forward all may that gets sent to local root to an external email? |
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| 15:43.46 | diago | may => mail |
| 15:43.53 | diago | weird typo |
| 15:43.56 | stew | diago: ed /etc/aliases ; then run "newaliases" (man 5 aliases) |
| 15:44.15 | stew | ^ed^editor |
| 15:44.37 | terminator | I will be back in a little while. |
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| 15:45.03 | nsadmin | diago: send it to a local address of a user you never use, then put a .forward or .procmailrc |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | terminator: same error? perhaps you could paste the postinst file for the package when you return |
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| 15:45.40 | stew | or run it with "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-bwshare configure" |
| 15:46.23 | stew | nsadmin: why bother with a .forward or .procmailrc instead of just doing everything in /etc/aliases? |
| 15:46.41 | stew | i don't think .forward or .procmailrc would work on any of my machines |
| 15:46.47 | nsadmin | an alias can be to an external addr? |
| 15:46.53 | stew | yes |
| 15:47.03 | nsadmin | stew: you wanted to disable both? |
| 15:47.09 | stew | disable what? |
| 15:47.24 | nsadmin | .forward or .procmailrc |
| 15:47.24 | diago | that's great (and easy) |
| 15:47.39 | stew | i don't know what consumes .forward, but I don't think I have any machines with procmail installed |
| 15:48.10 | stew | oh, i guess i do |
| 15:48.17 | nsadmin | I would assume an MDA consumes it |
| 15:48.21 | stew | but local delivery would certainly ignore it |
| 15:48.27 | stew | maildrop wouldn't |
| 15:49.17 | diago | so any out that happens in a cronjob will get emailed by default |
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| 15:49.55 | stew | ahh, i see .forward is for procmail |
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| 15:50.59 | nsadmin | well, other MDAs would read it too; .forward existed before procmail iirc |
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| 15:52.39 | diago | stew: thanks, works like a charm |
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| 15:53.07 | diago | Linux Mint is releasing a Debian based edition |
| 15:53.20 | abrotman | It's still not Debian |
| 15:53.25 | diago | http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1527 |
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| 15:53.58 | diago | h8er |
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| 15:54.41 | abrotman | It's not Debian, please don't argue about it |
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| 15:56.18 | fbs | :P |
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| 15:58.17 | minver | I can connect to my server using the SSH command in the terminal, but I can't connect using Putty. It says Acces denied. Some settings I need to change in Putty? |
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| 15:59.14 | abrotman | what is the command you used in the terminal? did you setup iptables rules? |
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| 15:59.53 | K0JIbKA | hi all! how to make home network available for Debian stable? I'm using Opera Unite as client/server application. |
| 16:00.42 | stew | K0JIbKA: what do you mean by "available"? is it not already available? |
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| 16:01.20 | K0JIbKA | stew: nope |
| 16:01.20 | stew | minver: these things are always easier to debug from the server side: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 16:01.29 | stew | K0JIbKA: what makes you think its not available? what are you trying? |
| 16:01.41 | K0JIbKA | ping |
| 16:02.11 | stew | K0JIbKA: you ping what from where? |
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| 16:02.31 | K0JIbKA | i can ping Debian machine from Win XP |
| 16:02.40 | K0JIbKA | but not reverse |
| 16:02.57 | stew | K0JIbKA: can the debian machine ping other machines? like google.com? |
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| 16:03.12 | sdk | This is werry frustrating. I'm trying to setup ratbox and the server stops as soon as it starts. It gets a PID, but by the time I can ps aux | grep <PID> the process is stopped. I've removed the secret squirrell line and filled out the .conf with the local variables. ircd.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1988165 |
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| 16:03.43 | Qtronix | Hi all! Just a quick question. Say I want to run a daemon (that doesn't support running itself as configurable user) at bootup as user "user". Is sudo the correct/safe way to do this? |
| 16:03.44 | K0JIbKA | stew: yes it can ping Internet, router but not home LAN |
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| 16:04.49 | stew | K0JIbKA: this isn't a problem with debian then, its a problem with windows responding to ping |
| 16:04.54 | stew | K0JIbKA: try ##windows |
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| 16:05.01 | Bushmills | probably windows firewall |
| 16:05.15 | K0JIbKA | say it's not pinging it NOW. yesterday, when i forgot to filter out Win XP machine it was catching ping no problem |
| 16:05.30 | minver | stew: It says "Failed password for root". 1. Can I log in as root with putty? 2. Are there any chars that I can't write on windows computer? its just letters, numbers and ] in the pw. |
| 16:05.31 | K0JIbKA | so it is Debian problem |
| 16:05.50 | Bushmills | file a bug report for ping ... |
| 16:05.55 | stew | K0JIbKA: show us the output of "iptables-save" on a pastebin |
| 16:06.15 | stew | Bushmills: I think you know that to be useless advice... |
| 16:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | minver, putty is not fundamentally different from other ssh clients... there's putty in debian, too, btw. |
| 16:06.33 | Bushmills | stew: you're right |
| 16:06.45 | stew | minver: oh, if you are having a problem with windows, try ##windows |
| 16:06.55 | stew | Bushmills: then please refrain... |
| 16:07.05 | K0JIbKA | stew: give me 15 minutes, please... |
| 16:07.08 | Bushmills | stew: too late |
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| 16:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | minver, direct root login is often prohibited, though - you are supposed to ssh in as a regular user and use su/sudo |
| 16:08.11 | minver | CutMeOwnThroat: ah okay |
| 16:08.17 | stew | minver: a root loging will work with putty if it works with some other ssh client |
| 16:08.28 | stew | minver: and root logins are allowed by default |
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| 16:08.42 | stew | (from the server side that is) |
| 16:08.45 | akio | abrotman: Asking you as you are always here and I figured you would know this: Why does my mount output show two dashes for every one like I put in fstab name column? |
| 16:08.51 | stew | and if they weren't, the error wouldnt' be "failed password" |
| 16:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... that's what I meant with "not fundamentally different" - you should figure out if it's a problem on the client side or on the server side... if it only happens with one client, then it's on the client-side and you shouldn't ask us, as that seems to be on windows |
| 16:10.05 | abrotman | akio: put it in a pastebin, not making sense the way you're describing it |
| 16:10.15 | minver | stew: I solved it, the problem was I couldn't do ctrl + v in putty cuz nothing were pasted. lol :] |
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| 16:13.01 | seeker7 | i am trying to download updates to a eee-pc and it is telling me dpkg-deb name of file to install is not a debian format |
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| 16:13.12 | Qtronix | Hi all! Just a quick question. Say I want to run a daemon (that doesn't support running itself as configurable user) at bootup as user "user". Is sudo the correct/safe way to do this? |
| 16:14.05 | stew | Qtronix: 'start-stop-daemon' is a utility made for this, which has a --chuid option |
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| 16:14.34 | pyr00 | hi all... |
| 16:14.35 | stew | Qtronix: and start-stop-daemon does other stuff you might find useful |
| 16:14.39 | Bushmills | Qtronix: a cheap and easy way would be to start it from crontab, through @boot |
| 16:14.50 | Qtronix | ah! |
| 16:14.56 | akio | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/vKy8mBuT |
| 16:14.56 | sdk | Damn.. I posted my problem and neglected to actually ask a question. Does anyone know what I am doing incorrectly in my ircd.conf file? |
| 16:14.58 | stew | he means @reboot |
| 16:15.01 | pyr00 | has anyone tried to get Verizon UMW190 aircard to work on debian?? |
| 16:15.15 | Qtronix | I sure learned something today :) Hehe. |
| 16:15.19 | Qtronix | Thanks for the help all :) |
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| 16:16.13 | Bushmills | @reboot, actually |
| 16:17.16 | abrotman | akio: not sure, though typically "--" is used so that it's not interpreted as an option to a command |
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| 16:17.58 | stew | akio: note that one is talkig about /dev/$vgname/$lvname aand the other is talking about /dev/mapper/$vgname-$lvname |
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| 16:19.26 | stew | akio: and it looks in the second case, the - in lvname is changed to -- to not be confused by the fact thet - is used to separate vg from lv |
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| 16:19.34 | stew | and i see the same here with the names in /dev/mapper |
| 16:21.14 | abrotman | oh see .. stew knows! |
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| 16:21.36 | stew | stew guesses |
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| 16:23.47 | jelly | stew: fun things happen when LV has a "-" in its name |
| 16:24.01 | stew | its been rather unremakable here |
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| 16:24.06 | stew | remarkable* |
| 16:25.49 | jelly | oh, you already commented on that |
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| 16:26.26 | jelly | hates debian's using generic /dev/dm-* devices for mounting instead of /dev/vgname/lvname or /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 16:26.45 | SlayerXP | jelly: umm, it doesn't |
| 16:27.10 | jelly | SlayerXP: my fstab has LABEL=foo in it and it does |
| 16:27.22 | SlayerXP | martin@fox:~$ ls -al /dev/mapper/hostvg-swap |
| 16:27.22 | SlayerXP | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 254, 4 Apr 10 2009 /dev/mapper/hostvg-swap |
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| 16:28.24 | jelly | SlayerXP: I mean, when mounting a filesystem it mounts /dev/dm-3 instead of /dev/mapper/foo |
| 16:28.50 | jelly | /dev/dm-2 1032088 34088 945572 4% /lv0 |
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| 16:29.19 | jelly | instead of |
| 16:29.25 | jelly | /dev/mapper/system-lv0 1032088 34088 945572 4% /lv0 |
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| 16:30.13 | jelly | Both exist and have the same major,minor. RHEL is more fun in that in doesn't create generic /dev/dm-* for LVs |
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| 16:30.46 | jelly | so they can't be found by mount/libuuid/libblkid because they simply don't exist |
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| 16:33.00 | pyr00 | guess im the only soul that is trying to get Verizon UMW190 aircard working on debian..?? |
| 16:36.01 | babilen | pyr00: I wouldn't necessarily assume that. There are *a lot* of people on this planet. |
| 16:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, all right... got round to trying with virt-manager... didn't crash/stop... but I can keep hearing the disk shovel data - it's kind of an old image, so the guest might just decide to do long-overdue stuff... or it's swapping |
| 16:36.44 | nsadmin | I'd say there are probably at least one lot |
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| 16:39.06 | pyr00 | babilen: none on this debian plant tha can point me in the right direction... :)) |
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| 16:40.00 | jhutchins | pyr00: http://www.google.com |
| 16:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, good thing is... as long as it doesn't get totally unresponsive, I guess I can figure it out :) |
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| 16:42.05 | babilen | pyr00: I really don't know where you can find people that use a Verizon UMW190 aircard with Debian. You might want to go to the store and have them display a poster. Cookies might also be a good incentive ;) |
| 16:42.22 | pyr00 | jhutchins: i have tried that fabulous website but nothing that gives me any useful info so far.... |
| 16:42.53 | babilen | pyr00: But I can't get rid of the feeling that you rather struggle to get that card working on Debian and don't really care about other users ... true? |
| 16:43.03 | pyr00 | babilen: i have tons of cookies here... |
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| 16:44.41 | babilen | pyr00: A good idea is to take a look at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI and paste the output of "lspci -knn" to a pastebin (and tell us the URL) |
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| 16:48.21 | pyr00 | babilen: can you post those links again please. sorry the browser crashed |
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| 16:48.57 | nondraj | where do i enable set_ini ? |
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| 16:49.38 | robokop | nondraj: what package, give a bit of context |
| 16:49.52 | jhutchins | pyr00: Linux "market share" is around 1%. How many of those people are going to have a cellular card? Of those, how many will be on Verizon? Of those, only a fraction have the same card as you. How many of them are running Debian? |
| 16:49.54 | nondraj | robokop: php |
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| 16:53.07 | doublehp | how do i make my machine never remember NICs vs ethX numbers ? removing /root/70-persistent-net.rules is not enough |
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| 16:53.49 | doublehp | unless thre is an equivalent do /etc/rc.local for shutdown |
| 16:54.18 | pyr00 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/zWw3sEN0 |
| 16:54.46 | stew | pyr00: how is the card connected? usb? |
| 16:55.18 | pyr00 | stew: yes it is... |
| 16:55.45 | pyr00 | getes mounted as a cd rom though |
| 16:55.46 | stew | pyr00: then he wants "lsusb" not "lspci -nnk" |
| 16:56.10 | stew | pyr00: wait what is this thing? |
| 16:56.14 | stew | i thought it was a network card |
| 16:56.30 | pyr00 | it is a verizon aircard UMW190 |
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| 16:56.49 | stew | pyr00: is that a network card? |
| 16:57.45 | pyr00 | it can be when wifi or hardwire is not available |
| 16:57.59 | stew | pyr00: i don't see how that gets mounted as a cd rom |
| 16:58.01 | stew | but whatever |
| 16:58.12 | babilen | pyr00: Yes, if it connected to USB i would need "lsusb" --- Is this some kind of 3g modem? |
| 16:58.26 | stew | pyr00: the deviceid:vendorid is what we are really after, somehting like "05f3:0007" |
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| 16:58.37 | stew | err vendorid:devceid... |
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| 17:01.38 | babilen | pyr00: If it is indeed a 3G modem (looks like it) you might have some luck with network-manager and have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G as well |
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| 17:02.17 | babilen | pyr00: I don't think that Verizon actually produces the device so it might be a good idea to figure out which chipset it used. lsusb's output might be handy for that |
| 17:03.31 | pyr00 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/RXPZ679J |
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| 17:04.19 | stew | judd: pciid 106c:3b05 |
| 17:04.21 | judd | [106c:3b05] is 'Unknown device' from 'Hynix Semiconductor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=106c:3b05 |
| 17:04.22 | stew | i think |
| 17:04.43 | diago | that would be my guess |
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| 17:05.14 | pyr00 | http://pastebin.com/C6Q0a5cE |
| 17:05.20 | ttiicc | I downloaded debian tesing and installed it. I can't find windows 7 in grub when booting my computer, how can I add in the list? |
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| 17:08.23 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Testing is testing. There's a reason the installer is listed as a beta-test version. |
| 17:08.29 | smv | ttiicc, are you sure you kept windows's partition? |
| 17:08.33 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Why are you running testint instead of stable? |
| 17:08.38 | abrotman | oh jeez .. not again |
| 17:09.28 | ttiicc | Yes Im sure I got the windows partition, I use testing because I see stable suited for servers |
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| 17:09.51 | abrotman | jhutchins: don't have that debate with him again .. he doesn't agree with the rest of the world |
| 17:10.03 | ttiicc | but that's my own opinion and I heard that it's wrong by members of this channel |
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| 17:10.17 | Phantom_Hoover | This isn't really a Debian question, but is there a way of getting the computer to use arbitrary keymaps at some level? |
| 17:10.22 | Phantom_Hoover | And if so, what? |
| 17:10.27 | stew | ttiicc: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/examples/grub.cfg |
| 17:10.40 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: /msg dpkg kepmap |
| 17:10.43 | a_run | anyone using thinkpas with ipw220 for wifi ? |
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| 17:10.48 | ttiicc | I'll look in to those examples |
| 17:10.50 | a_run | thinkpad* |
| 17:10.52 | stew | a_run: many people |
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| 17:11.10 | a_run | can't get the led for wifi to lit up with Fn + F5 |
| 17:11.18 | a_run | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:11.23 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, /msg? |
| 17:11.26 | jhutchins | abrotman: Guess I missed the earlier debate. |
| 17:11.33 | Phantom_Hoover | PM it to you? |
| 17:11.46 | babilen | pyr00: Do you happen to use network-manager? If yes: Is the device recognised? If no: You can setup pppd (or gnome-ppp if you prefer) -- see, for example, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2010-01/msg00077.html and http://kenkinder.com/using-verizon-wireless-evdo-pc5740-and-linux/ for the scripts |
| 17:11.53 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: if you send the bot named "dpkg" that message, it will repsond with some info about keymaps |
| 17:12.11 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Actually you should be able to just run update-grub and it should auto-detect windows and configure it properly. |
| 17:12.32 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, I did not expect that to be a common question... Thanks anyway. |
| 17:12.33 | ttiicc | I'll try that right now |
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| 17:13.37 | ttiicc | I think it made it, I'll reboot my computer to see if it worked or, see you all! |
| 17:13.49 | jhutchins | a_run: you may need the "hotkeys" package. |
| 17:14.09 | a_run | do you know the package name ? |
| 17:14.33 | a_run | hotkey-setup ? |
| 17:14.54 | jhutchins | ,versions hotkeys |
| 17:14.56 | judd | Package hotkeys on i386 -- etch: 0.5.7.4; lenny: 0.5.7.4-0.1; sid: 0.5.7.4-0.3; squeeze: 0.5.7.4-0.3 |
| 17:15.43 | a_run | 0.5.7.4-0.1 |
| 17:15.47 | a_run | i'll try that |
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| 17:16.58 | babilen | pyr00: Also check http://wiki.debian.org/Wvdial (and the aforementioned 3G wiki page -- it details for example "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x106c product=0x3b05" that might be necessary to get the device working. |
| 17:17.34 | jhutchins | a_run: You're running sid on a thinkpad? |
| 17:17.55 | a_run | Linux nemesis 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 19:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:18.06 | a_run | lenny |
| 17:18.12 | peterrooney | "you're braver than I thought" |
| 17:18.23 | a_run | the keys used to work fine |
| 17:18.34 | a_run | i think they stopped after a kernel upgrade |
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| 17:18.42 | a_run | brightness keys works |
| 17:18.51 | a_run | no suspend or wifi |
| 17:18.52 | a_run | :( |
| 17:18.56 | jhutchins | a_run: You seem to be running a Lenny kernel. |
| 17:19.12 | pyr00 | babilen: thanks for all your help... cookies are on the way.. haha |
| 17:19.56 | a_run | jhutchins: that's right |
| 17:20.27 | jhutchins | a_run: Be careful not to mix distributions - it's likely to lead to a clean reinstall. |
| 17:20.37 | a_run | i didn't |
| 17:20.43 | a_run | this is a clean install of lenny |
| 17:20.45 | babilen | pyr00: So, any progress? do you use n-m and does it see the device? what about wvdial? (before and after the modprobe?) What about the find commands detailed on the 3G wiki page? |
| 17:20.57 | jhutchins | a_run: So they were working without any particular intervention before, now they don't, and the blasted kernel update didn't increment the version. |
| 17:21.13 | jhutchins | a_run: An update on that level _shouldn't_ affect hardware detection/activation. |
| 17:21.14 | babilen | pyr00: Hmm, looks as if you decided to do some reading first :) Have fun and good luck |
| 17:21.16 | a_run | i have the latest kernel |
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| 17:21.30 | pyr00 | yea reading and some food... |
| 17:21.32 | a_run | i booted into the default one just to see if it workes |
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| 17:21.41 | pyr00 | i'll be around and will update you on what worked and didnt |
| 17:21.43 | pyr00 | thanks again |
| 17:21.45 | jhutchins | a_run: Just a random "flick the switch off and on" try would be to install the .32 kernel from backports. |
| 17:22.02 | jhutchins | a_run: On my system that nocks out the SCSI scanner that works fine on .26 |
| 17:22.21 | jhutchins | a_run: The other thing to look at would be a configuration change that affected the keymap, and, again, the hotkeys package. |
| 17:22.25 | a_run | 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 is what i have |
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| 17:22.54 | jhutchins | a_run: Not according to yth eline you posted above, that says your'e running .26. |
| 17:23.10 | jhutchins | a_run: So it may be as simple as rebooting. |
| 17:23.15 | a_run | yes, i booted into older kernel just to see if the keys work |
| 17:23.17 | a_run | they don't |
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| 17:27.30 | bolt | xyan: hey. i had to run to a meeting. thanks for the updated netcat script. i'll play with it now :) |
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| 17:30.19 | a_run | brb |
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| 17:30.55 | stew | JKL_: what do you mean by "ssh gateway"? |
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| 17:32.02 | JKL_ | stew: i mean a box that have a public ip and accepts connections from internet |
| 17:32.13 | JKL_ | and redirects connections to local ssh server |
| 17:32.26 | JKL_ | http://tumblr.spantz.org/post/211936636/configuring-an-ssh-gateway like this |
| 17:32.51 | JKL_ | but i would like to know if this is possible without authorized_keys |
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| 17:33.39 | stew | JKL_: yes, and yes |
| 17:33.42 | JKL_ | from user point of view it would be somethinkgs like: 1:ssh gw@host.com 2:myusername 3:mypassword |
| 17:33.46 | stew | well |
| 17:34.16 | stew | JKL_: why wouldn't you want to use authorized_keys? |
| 17:34.35 | JKL_ | i wouldnt want to |
| 17:34.50 | JKL_ | but some corporations are what they are |
| 17:34.54 | JKL_ | :) |
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| 17:37.59 | jhutchins | a_run: Ok, so the keys don't work under either kernel, the kernel is not the problem. |
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| 17:39.19 | stew | JKL_: i would look at "ForceCommand" in the sshd |
| 17:39.36 | JKL_ | stew: ok. i will take a look |
| 17:39.39 | JKL_ | thx |
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| 17:40.20 | stew | JKL_: in sshd_config that is |
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| 17:42.42 | JKL_ | stew: what could be forced command? i think that asking the 2nd username is a problem here |
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| 17:45.14 | stew | JKL_: i thought the page you were linking to was using command= in authorized_keys to do the same as ForceCommand |
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| 17:46.18 | JKL_ | stew: but when using the ssh key the actual user can be known based on the key |
| 17:46.55 | stew | JKL_: i thought you were going to create multiple users though |
| 17:47.20 | stew | JKL_: so this will work for one user per command |
| 17:47.21 | JKL_ | i would not like to do that |
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| 17:47.50 | stew | < ~JKL_> can ssh gateway be configured to use second username and password |
| 17:47.59 | stew | i thought that's where we were going from that |
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| 17:48.09 | JKL_ | ok, np |
| 17:48.20 | stew | JKL_: so you want a different command depending on what? |
| 17:49.00 | JKL_ | so 1. the client should be able to to connect with ssh gw@host.com |
| 17:49.18 | JKL_ | then host should ask the correct username and password |
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| 17:50.19 | JKL_ | if i know the correct username, it should be trivial to do the rest |
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| 17:59.21 | seeker7 | i have a customer who has a gnu linux and there are files in the update manager that do not load. He would like to know how to get rid of these and how to keep them from appearing again |
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| 18:02.37 | Kyoku | what's the line i need to add to sources to get unstable stuff please? |
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| 18:04.07 | somiaj | Kyoku: why do you want unstable stuff? |
| 18:04.18 | Kyoku | i want eclipse |
| 18:04.24 | Kyoku | but it's in unstable :( |
| 18:04.32 | somiaj | Kyoku: it is very bad form to mix distributions, you do not want to just install a few unstable programs on a stable system |
| 18:04.37 | somiaj | Kyoku: look into backports |
| 18:04.41 | somiaj | !tell Kyoku about backports |
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| 18:05.16 | Kyoku | ok maybe i'll put it on another machine instead, thanks.. i don't want to break this one |
| 18:05.23 | qq- | , versions eclipse |
| 18:05.23 | judd | Package eclipse on i386 -- etch: 3.2.1-4; squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze1; sid: 3.5.2-8 |
| 18:06.17 | somiaj | hmm, strange it wasn't in lenny, well I'd still suggest looking for a backport, though creating a simple sid backport isn't to diffcult for many applications |
| 18:07.30 | simonrvn | too* |
| 18:07.38 | Kyoku | i love debian's stability too much to break it, i'll put eclipse on ubuntu instead, thanks for help somiaj |
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| 18:09.34 | Boohemian | is there an application switcher like what they have on OS X for linux? |
| 18:09.57 | Vroomfondle | you mean expose? |
| 18:10.39 | diago | or a dock? |
| 18:11.19 | stew | judd: info avant-window-navigator |
| 18:11.20 | judd | Package avant-window-navigator (gnome, optional) in lenny/i386: A MacOS X like panel for GNOME. Version: 0.2.6-7; Size: 88.3k; Installed: 316k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/avant-window-navigator/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/avant-window-navigator |
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| 18:11.36 | diago | judd: info docky |
| 18:11.37 | judd | No record of package 'docky' in lenny/i386. |
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| 18:12.01 | diago | em |
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| 18:12.57 | stew | judd: info docky --release squeeze |
| 18:12.57 | judd | Package docky (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Elegant, powerful, clean dock. Version: 2.0.6-2; Size: 650.0k; Installed: 2844k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/docky; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/docky |
| 18:13.10 | stew | diago: it looks only at lenny by default |
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| 18:13.54 | diago | ah, cool |
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| 18:15.02 | diago | stew: all the links when clicked add an ; to the end making an invalid URL |
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| 18:16.56 | Boohemian | stew: debian.net is down |
| 18:16.57 | Boohemian | ? |
| 18:17.07 | themill | diago: sounds like you need to file a bug for your irc client |
| 18:17.10 | stew | Boohemian: no |
| 18:17.19 | Boohemian | i'm getting 'can't find server' |
| 18:17.22 | themill | Boohemian: screenshots.debian.net seems to be, yes |
| 18:17.22 | stew | or a patch for judd |
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| 18:17.46 | simonrvn | screenshots.debian.net is conn. refused |
| 18:18.09 | diago | links work in other rooms it's weird |
| 18:18.17 | Boohemian | i'm looking for something specifically for switching between the application level. (not the window level!) i want to be able to easily switch between apps using the keyboard and getting a pane to see what apps are open and to pick them |
| 18:18.31 | diago | if you look at the links there is a ; at the end |
| 18:18.37 | emerson | my screen resolution preferences is disable how can I activate it again I need a resolusion 1600X900? |
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| 18:19.13 | emerson | anyone can help me out, please ... |
| 18:19.17 | themill | diago: your irc client isn't working out where the URL ends properly. File a bug against it... it should do better than that. |
| 18:19.30 | stew | is ; valid in a url? |
| 18:19.31 | diago | ok, cool |
| 18:20.04 | stew | if it is, i wouldn't blame the irc client |
| 18:20.12 | themill | stew: ;\s is a fairly safe bet to leave it off though (it's always going to be imperfect but every other irc client (or terminal app) I've seen does that bit correctly |
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| 18:21.03 | Boohemian | diago: yes, i removed that semicolon |
| 18:21.08 | themill | Same way as it copes elegantly with something like: download it from http://debian.org/. |
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| 18:21.28 | themill | (the final . doesn't get included in the hotlinked URL in any client I've seen) |
| 18:21.38 | diago | that didn't in mine either |
| 18:22.14 | emerson | I need a resolution 1600x900 but I can't set it up anyone can help me, please |
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| 18:22.34 | Boohemian | emerson: xorg.conf |
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| 18:22.40 | babilen | emerson: If you use Gnome you can use "Monitors" in gnome-control-center -- For a DE/WM agnostic solution try *randr, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 18:23.04 | babilen | emerson: You could also hardcode the resolution in your xorg.conf though |
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| 18:24.18 | emerson | babilen: the screen resolution doesn't work man .. |
| 18:24.45 | diago | emerson: what video card? |
| 18:26.13 | Boohemian | babilen: debian makes it easy? that's nice. :) back in my gentoo days (when i used X11), i had to edit xorg.conf |
| 18:26.15 | Boohemian | it was terrible |
| 18:26.26 | babilen | emerson: What do you mean? Does it sleep on the couch? Please provide more details: Your card (preferrably output of lspci -nn) and a concise description of your problem. Can you change the resolution with xrandr? |
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| 18:27.23 | emerson | diago: is a assus motherboard M2N68-AM SE2 and the video is on board. |
| 18:28.27 | emerson | babilen: I can't I tryed with grandr but didn't work.... |
| 18:30.28 | babilen | emerson: Ok -- You are running Xorg right now, which works fine except for the fact that it uses the wrong resolution? You tried changing the resolution within gnome-control-center's "Monitor" setting, with grandr and xrandr (as detailed on the wiki) and it did not change the resolution? Is that (more or less) the problem you are facing? |
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| 18:31.48 | emerson | babilen: no I'm not ... |
| 18:32.39 | babilen | Feel free to correct me :) |
| 18:32.44 | emerson | babilen: what do I have to type on the terminal so see the right resolution ? |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | xdpyinfo or xrandr |
| 18:33.05 | diago | emerson: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 18:34.12 | abrotman | you migth want a -nn |
| 18:34.30 | babilen | emerson: Please paste the output of "xrandr" , "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and probably your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:34.35 | emerson | diago: doesn't show ...just tells me that is a nVidia |
| 18:35.05 | emerson | babilen: right what's the past bin url ? |
| 18:35.19 | babilen | emerson: I mentioned it ^^^^ |
| 18:35.29 | diago | judd: info jockey |
| 18:35.30 | judd | No record of package 'jockey' in lenny/i386. |
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| 18:35.33 | emerson | babilen: yeah sorry .. |
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| 18:39.10 | emerson | babilen: paste.debian.net/99567/ |
| 18:40.00 | babilen | emerson: make that "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" (note the -i vga) |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | and the -nn! |
| 18:41.02 | babilen | emerson: So the screen is in 1600 x 1200 (its maximum) but you want that to be 1600 x 900 ? |
| 18:41.08 | babilen | Is that the problem? |
| 18:41.54 | emerson | babilen: right that's what I want actually that was what the monitor told me let's say .. |
| 18:42.01 | babilen | I think the "0" freq is a bit strange |
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| 18:42.40 | babilen | emerson: It looks as if that mode is not supported -- what else did you monitor tell you and how did it tell you that? |
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| 18:43.15 | babilen | is still waiting for the lspci output and Xorg.0.log |
| 18:43.31 | stew | Xorg.0.log would contain what you want from lspci anyway :) |
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| 18:43.46 | babilen | yep :) |
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| 18:44.28 | emerson | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/99571/ |
| 18:44.58 | emerson | babilen: on the screen man as soon as I reboot appear in my screen... |
| 18:45.41 | emerson | babilen: I mean I reboot it and the popped up on my screen.. |
| 18:46.11 | babilen | ,pciid 10de:03d6 |
| 18:46.13 | judd | [10de:03d6] is 'C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03d6 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 18:46.25 | emerson | babilen: my monitor is a sangsung b2030 |
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| 18:47.55 | babilen | right -- it seems to support a resolution of up to 1600x900 if I can trust samsung's technical specs :) |
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| 18:50.34 | ska | Can i turn off 'hal' on a server? |
| 18:50.34 | babilen | emerson: Could you please also paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:50.46 | babilen | ska: You can safely remove it, yes |
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| 18:51.07 | babilen | ska: Just make sure your name is not "Dave" |
| 18:51.35 | emerson | judd: babilen: it says permission denied ... |
| 18:51.51 | babilen | emerson: judd is a bot, and try it as root |
| 18:52.01 | emerson | babilen: I know was mistake .. |
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| 18:53.05 | babilen | It seems as if the EDID information is wrong for that monitor |
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| 18:53.29 | emerson | babilen: look that's the chipset: GeForce 7025/nForce 630a(MCP68 SE) |
| 18:54.00 | babilen | emerson: Do you actually have a distorted resolution or do you just *want* it to use 1600x900 (obviously the correct mode) |
| 18:54.13 | emerson | babilen: I'm rootted already .. |
| 18:54.40 | amee2k | is there a way to install emdebian from an optical drive too? |
| 18:55.10 | amee2k | i only see the manual mention USB flash drives and from another hard drive |
| 18:55.36 | emerson | babilen: I just have installed and I can't set up anything.. |
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| 18:56.06 | amee2k | the "installation media" chapter includes a mildly generic remark about cdrom installation, but there is no information as to where to obtain the installation media from |
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| 18:56.32 | babilen | emerson: Could you please paste your Xorg.0.log ... then "aptitude install read-edid" and "get-edid|parse-edid" â http://paste.debian.org |
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| 18:57.03 | emerson | babilen: sure I'll do it .. |
| 18:57.18 | babilen | emerson: What do you mean with "can't set up anything" ? You cannot install additional software? The screen is not working and you are accessing the computer with a different method? |
| 18:58.07 | babilen | emerson: Have you installed any driver for you nvidia card? |
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| 18:59.06 | emerson | babilen: I haven't I don't know where shall I find it ... |
| 18:59.31 | emerson | babilen: I can't take it from the motherboard cd can I ? |
| 18:59.52 | babilen | emerson: No, that are drivers for MS Windows :) |
| 18:59.56 | babilen | !nvidia |
| 18:59.56 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:00.03 | ska | babilen: WHy not Dave? |
| 19:00.35 | babilen | ska: Watch "2001: A Space Odyssey" |
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| 19:00.45 | ska | babilen: Is that an inside joke.. Ah.. that Dave.. thanks |
| 19:00.46 | emerson | babilen: I know :) that's for the bloody windows ...:) |
| 19:00.51 | babilen | emerson: You installed Lenny didn't you? |
| 19:01.11 | emerson | babilen: yep |
| 19:01.41 | babilen | !nvidia pre-built |
| 19:01.41 | dpkg | [nvidia pre-built] For Lenny/2.6.26 users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>. |
| 19:03.42 | babilen | emerson: In order to install the Nvidia driver you have to add "non-free sources" to your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Do you know how to do that? |
| 19:04.17 | babilen | !tell emerson -about non-free sources |
| 19:04.22 | emerson | babilen: not at all. |
| 19:04.22 | babilen | !tell emerson -about contrib |
| 19:04.49 | babilen | emerson: Ok -- this is your first Linux installation? |
| 19:05.33 | emerson | babilen: not really I used to use ubuntu. |
| 19:07.07 | emerson | babilen: but ubuntu is more straightfoward but it puts a lot of rubbish in my pc..so I didn't like it ..and I need to learn to use it |
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| 19:08.14 | babilen | emerson: Ok, great. It is not that hard. Your repositories are configure in /etc/apt/sources.list and you have to add "contrib" and "non-free" to it. Just open that file with your preferred editor, find lines that end in "main" and add "contrib non-free" at the end. If you are unsure, paste the result. You run "aptitude update" afterwards to enable the changes. |
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| 19:08.19 | emerson | babilen: yeah this is my first real linux istallation now I have to do things on my own that's why I'm asking for help. |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | you don't seem to be that 'on your own' :) |
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| 19:08.52 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 19:09.08 | babilen | I'm out for a second ... brb |
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| 19:09.58 | babilen | BTW: Anybody aware if the nvidia driver in Lenny supports that card or knows a place where to check that? |
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| 19:10.12 | abrotman | the script in the wiki will tell you |
| 19:10.28 | emerson | abrotman: I know linux community help each other that's nice. |
| 19:10.58 | a_run | how do i change the hotkey mask for special keys ? |
| 19:11.20 | a_run | will echo'ing the new mask into hoskey_mask work ? |
| 19:12.00 | a_run | hotkey_mask* |
| 19:12.37 | amee2k | okay, i think i'm having a conceptual problem here |
| 19:12.42 | amee2k | does emdebian exist? |
| 19:12.56 | jelly-home | !emdebian |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:13.13 | amee2k | taking that as a yes, good :) |
| 19:13.21 | jelly-home | amee2k: either it exists or the bot is lying |
| 19:13.39 | jelly-home | please report back on your findings |
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| 19:13.50 | amee2k | sure will do :) |
| 19:14.30 | amee2k | is it a fork of the full-size debian? or is it just a tutorial on how to pack a functional regular debian install up as it is for use on an embedded system? |
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| 19:15.25 | amee2k | because i'm finding lots of ways to implement it by installing the regular debian, then modify it into an embedded system |
| 19:15.43 | amee2k | but there doesn't seem to be a real installer for it |
| 19:16.28 | jelly-home | I about four minutes, I'm going to respond with a snarky comment stating you could have found it out yourself by accessing their web pages. |
| 19:16.36 | jelly-home | s/I/In/ |
| 19:16.52 | amee2k | okay |
| 19:17.15 | amee2k | then i didn't get it |
| 19:17.45 | babilen | abrotman: Which script? I seem to be blind :) |
| 19:17.53 | amee2k | i read the conceptual introduction on emdebian.org and the installation guide for grip |
| 19:18.45 | abrotman | babilen: search the page for the word 'script' :) |
| 19:18.51 | amee2k | it mentions that installation is *possible* from cdrom, hdd, usb flash drives, network, and an existing gnu system |
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| 19:19.04 | abrotman | babilen: only three hits |
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| 19:19.24 | babilen | abrotman: hehe, yeah that worked :) |
| 19:19.42 | amee2k | then talks about preparing an installer on a usb stick, which won't help me with an embedded system |
| 19:20.04 | amee2k | then i don't quite get how the hdd install is supposed to work |
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| 19:20.10 | cusco | hi... |
| 19:20.20 | amee2k | then mentions automated installation of the regular debian |
| 19:20.26 | terminator | I tried using several options in dpkg but I cannot fix this problem http://pastebin.com/cCeZ4ufa |
| 19:20.29 | cusco | The following packages have unmet dependencies: php5-gd: Depends: phpapi-20060613+lfs \\ Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) but 5.3.2-1 is to be installed |
| 19:20.29 | amee2k | what did i miss? |
| 19:20.39 | cusco | what is wrong? |
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| 19:22.26 | stew | amee2k: it looks to me like its just having you use the normal debian installer with preseeding |
| 19:22.38 | terminator | CdA libapache2-mod-bwshare |
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| 19:23.41 | cusco | CdA ? |
| 19:23.52 | amee2k | this is a problem then. because the regular installer chokes on the system i want to install it on |
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| 19:24.15 | thaar | What are the content types of a PDF document? |
| 19:24.16 | amee2k | i tried the installer ISOs for 3.1, 4.0 and 5.0 |
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| 19:24.24 | babilen | emerson: Have you enabled non-free sources? |
| 19:24.29 | thaar | So, not the content type of the PDF document, which is a different thing. |
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| 19:24.37 | stew | terminator: try running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-bwshare.prerm remove" and see where it fails |
| 19:24.44 | josepha | Good evening. My machine stoped booting with. Error 16. I now tried installing grub again with a live cd. But when I do grub-install --recheck /dev/sda I am just getting /dev/sda does not have a corresponding Bios drive. Any idea on how I can make my computer alive again? |
| 19:24.56 | cusco | thaar: that is what you asked? |
| 19:24.58 | amee2k | incidentially, it seems to choke on the lack of a USB controller in the system |
| 19:25.05 | stew | amee2k: using the regular installer with the embedian pre-seeding? |
| 19:25.15 | thaar | cusco: no, I didn't. |
| 19:25.16 | thaar | cusco: read again. |
| 19:25.20 | cusco | I did |
| 19:25.23 | terminator | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" remove libapache2-mod-bwshare The following packages will be REMOVED: libapache2-mod-bwshare Removing libapache2-mod-bwshare ERROR: Module bwshare does not exist subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:25.27 | cusco | one was plural and the other singular |
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| 19:25.32 | amee2k | didn't try that yet, but the regular install fails while installing the base system |
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| 19:25.49 | thaar | cusco: the type of a list of types is different from just one of those types. |
| 19:25.52 | thaar | cusco: as a hint. |
| 19:25.54 | amee2k | fails with something like /proc/bus/usb/: invalid argument |
| 19:26.08 | amee2k | even if i disable USB probing on the boot prompt |
| 19:26.16 | stew | thaar: "grep pdf /etc/mailcap"? |
| 19:26.21 | babilen | emerson: Still there? |
| 19:26.27 | thaar | cusco: for example I suspect that embedded video has a different content type from an embedded field. |
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| 19:26.38 | thaar | stew: I am sorry, you misunderstood the question. |
| 19:26.48 | stew | thaar: seems that everyone did, please clarify it |
| 19:27.08 | thaar | stew: when I try to send a document, I get that there is an unknown content type somewhere in the PDF document. |
| 19:27.23 | stew | thaar: ok? |
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| 19:27.31 | thaar | stew: so, this is within the Adobe acrobat reader application. |
| 19:27.33 | stew | thaar: where do you get that? |
| 19:27.35 | stew | ahh |
| 19:27.38 | stew | thaar: ask adobe |
| 19:27.51 | thaar | stew: I would like to have the answer in a day. |
| 19:28.01 | stew | thaar: ok |
| 19:28.37 | terminator | I found this file on the server /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-bwshare |
| 19:28.50 | thaar | stew: I doubt even their employees would know the answer directly, though. |
| 19:28.52 | amee2k | stew: does the automated install load the preseed configuration exclusively over the network? |
| 19:29.09 | stew | thaar: well, i don't know why you think we would, this has nothing to do with debian. the software you are asking about isn't even in debian |
| 19:29.30 | emerson | babilen: yes I am... |
| 19:29.36 | stew | terminator: there are likely many others /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-bwshare.list would list others |
| 19:29.43 | babilen | emerson: Looks as if you are gone: Your next steps: 1. Execute "wget http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile\&do=get\&target=nvidia-versions.sh -O nvidia-versions.sh" and "bash nvidia-versions.sh" -- This will tell you which driver version you need for your card. If the card is supported by the driver in Lenny |
| 19:29.58 | babilen | emerson: Ah, great ... Did you enable non-free and contrib sources? |
| 19:30.03 | amee2k | or is the url-looking thing some other kind of identifier |
| 19:30.16 | terminator | Its listed in the debian package. |
| 19:30.36 | emerson | babilen: I'm trying ..give a little more time, please .. |
| 19:30.45 | babilen | emerson: What is the problem? |
| 19:31.08 | thaar | stew: it was more of a remote chance of finding someone with a clue on the PDF file format. |
| 19:31.08 | babilen | emerson: Ask if you need help -- My crystal ball is not working very well right now ;) |
| 19:31.35 | thaar | stew: do you know another place online where I might find someone with expert knowledge on the topic? |
| 19:31.58 | stew | thaar: no |
| 19:32.03 | emerson | babilen: man I know I'm not good with it but I have to be good one day ...otherwise I never gonna be a programmer ..:) |
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| 19:32.50 | babilen | emerson: That is all OK and does not pose a problem, but we can't really help you if you don't ask questions and/or tell us what you are doing |
| 19:33.15 | terminator | Do you how I can fix the problem please? |
| 19:33.47 | emerson | babilen: right I'm try to move around I need to get used to with the terminal... |
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| 19:34.14 | amphi | terranova: have you mixed branches of debian in your sources.list? |
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| 19:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? |
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| 19:36.22 | babilen | emerson: Did you already edit /etc/apt/sources.list? If not: Try "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" as root. ("su" to become root) -- CTRL+O to write the file and CTRL-X to exit the editor |
| 19:36.52 | emerson | babilen: cool because I'm lost here with the vi |
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| 19:37.32 | stew | thaar: http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/pdf/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf |
| 19:37.41 | stew | thaar: i don't think there are restrictions |
| 19:38.13 | babilen | emerson: Can you browse the internet? do you actually have a graphical interface or are you working on the console now? |
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| 19:38.24 | thaar | stew: I think I solved the issue already. I just need to compute something to know it for sure. |
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| 19:38.37 | emerson | babilen: yes I can. |
| 19:38.44 | mns | Is there some tool that can allow me to edit a PDF file ? I want to highlight certain things in the PDF file. |
| 19:39.15 | babilen | emerson: You basically want your lines in the sources.list to look like: http://paste.debian.net/99578/ |
| 19:39.29 | amee2k | the point of PDFs kinda is not being editable ;) |
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| 19:39.56 | babilen | emerson: Note the "main contrib non-free" in the end -- If you would paste yours I could also check it |
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| 19:40.58 | emerson | babilen: I have to add contrib and non-free at the end of which line ? |
| 19:41.01 | mns | true amee2k but was just wondering. |
| 19:41.02 | terminator | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127? |
| 19:41.29 | stew | mns: apt-cache search pdf editor |
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| 19:41.38 | amee2k | iirc Adobe has some expensive tool you can buy that allows limiting editing |
| 19:41.40 | stew | i thought the point of pdfs was being portable |
| 19:41.40 | babilen | emerson: Paste your sources.list please ... Basically every line that starts with "deb" and ends in "main" now :) |
| 19:42.24 | terminator | aptitude is trying to remove its failing The following packages will be REMOVED: libapache2-mod-bwshare{u} |
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| 19:42.43 | amee2k | stew: adobe is kinda making a big deal about them being non-ediable too. management level whacks off to things that the customers can't change |
| 19:42.55 | amee2k | lol |
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| 19:43.01 | stew | terminator: i think you are going to need to figure out why the prerm fails, as I suggest |
| 19:43.07 | stew | *suggested earlier |
| 19:43.15 | amee2k | "Kernel Panic - not symcing: Out of memory and no killable processes..." |
| 19:43.18 | emerson | http://paste.debian.net/99580/ |
| 19:43.36 | terminator | That is what I am trying to do? Do you know what is going on? |
| 19:43.36 | amee2k | so much for the automated install |
| 19:43.41 | amee2k | on an embedded system |
| 19:43.59 | stew | i don't know how you possibly make them non-editable, unless you are doing it by keeping the format closed |
| 19:44.11 | emerson | babilen: put on the past bin what do I have to do, please |
| 19:44.15 | stew | terminator: did you try running it with -x as I suggested? |
| 19:44.30 | babilen | emerson: http://paste.debian.net/99582/ |
| 19:44.36 | terminator | running what is -x? |
| 19:44.48 | amee2k | stew: if you are persistent enough in emphasizing they're immutable, people won't try to do it to begin with |
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| 19:44.56 | babilen | emerson: Make the changes and run "aptitude update" afterwards |
| 19:45.00 | amee2k | severely limiting the availablility of editing tools |
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| 19:45.04 | stew | terminator: -x Print commands and their arguments as they are executed |
| 19:45.12 | stew | terminator: (from help set) |
| 19:45.29 | terminator | I do not understand what your saying? |
| 19:45.30 | stew | terminator: running with bash -x is equiv. to adding 'set -x' to the top of the script |
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| 19:45.39 | stew | ok |
| 19:45.42 | amee2k | leaving your own expensive "special tool" the only one on the market because due to limited demand support for third party tools sucks |
| 19:46.03 | thaar | stew: I was wrong, but thanks anyway. |
| 19:46.11 | stew | terminator: i was telling you how you could see exactly where the prerm fails, by having the prerm show every command it is executing |
| 19:46.35 | konraddo | hi, maybe you'll consider it as stupid, but what do you think about running server on home PC with debian with Gnome, et cetera? I mean, i would use this computer to play movies, etc, but additionally, I would run AMP, etc. on it. I just want to learn basics of administeering Linux. |
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| 19:46.48 | konraddo | And I don't have any separate PC for server purposes |
| 19:47.00 | abrotman | konraddo: if it's just for play/home, should be fine |
| 19:47.02 | terminator | I understand your intent but I do not understand what you telling me to do see the errors? |
| 19:47.04 | stew | konraddo: what do you mean by "running server"? |
| 19:47.10 | babilen | konraddo: I don't think that is stupid at all |
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| 19:47.22 | stew | 14:24 < stew> terminator: try running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-bwshare.prerm remove" and see where it fails |
| 19:47.30 | stew | terminator: i don't know how to state it more simply... |
| 19:47.37 | konraddo | I mean, installing Debian, Apache, MySQL, etc. and configuring it, only for educational purposes |
| 19:47.41 | terminator | Thanks |
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| 19:51.43 | babilen | emerson: Did that work out? |
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| 19:52.30 | emerson | babilen: for the silly question ...but how shall I save it ..? |
| 19:52.58 | babilen | emerson: CTRL-O (and CTRL-X to exit) |
| 19:53.06 | amee2k | !debootstrap |
| 19:53.06 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 19:53.14 | babilen | amee2k: Thanks :) |
| 19:53.23 | amee2k | hu? |
| 19:53.39 | amee2k | um... that wasn't directed at you, really ;) |
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| 19:53.59 | babilen | emerson: Or rather: CTRL-o and CTRL-x (no need for shift, just press CTRL and o or x) |
| 19:54.32 | terminator | That command put out this http://pastebin.com/H3RSKnwX |
| 19:54.40 | simonrvn | no, no need for shit<BKSP>ft |
| 19:54.43 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 19:55.11 | babilen | simonrvn: hehe :) |
| 19:55.54 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:56.02 | babilen | terminator: You are missing "a2dismod" (and probably a2enmod) -- they are part of the apache2.2-common package |
| 19:56.26 | babilen | !tell terminator -about apt-file |
| 19:57.25 | terminator | The file a2enmod does not exist in the debian packages |
| 19:57.26 | emerson | babilen: done |
| 19:57.48 | amee2k | wait, so this debootstrap thing creates a full base system in a directory, right? |
| 19:58.12 | babilen | emerson: Ok, lets check if you card is supported. Execute "wget http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile\&do=get\&target=nvidia-versions.sh -O nvidia-versions.sh" and "bash nvidia-versions.sh" and paste the output |
| 19:58.22 | babilen | amee2k: correct |
| 19:58.56 | babilen | terminator: It is in the apache2.2-common package |
| 19:58.56 | amee2k | but why doesn't the new root directory it creates contain a kernel?! |
| 19:59.14 | amee2k | i mean, you can't boot it without one, right? |
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| 19:59.35 | babilen | amee2k: yes, but you can chroot into it |
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| 20:00.56 | amee2k | hm. |
| 20:01.21 | amee2k | yeah |
| 20:01.27 | jhutchins | Kernels generally go in /boot, not / |
| 20:01.35 | babilen | emerson: Hei, I'll be back later. Good luck ... |
| 20:01.48 | babilen | !tell emerson about nvidia m-a |
| 20:01.50 | amee2k | jhutchins: yeah, but the boot dir in that new tree is empty |
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| 20:02.07 | emerson | babilen: okay many thanks .. |
| 20:02.14 | jhutchins | amee2k: Interesting, it wasn't when I used it. |
| 20:02.33 | amee2k | so how do i turn that half-finished directory tree into a bootable system? |
| 20:02.33 | babilen | emerson: cya later :) have fun |
| 20:02.46 | jhutchins | amee2k: at least I don't think it was, but you can mount /dev and /proc, chroot to it, and run aptitude to install the kernel. |
| 20:03.11 | amee2k | hm |
| 20:03.14 | emerson | babilen: I can't copy and past I'm another computer ...that's why takes so long .. |
| 20:03.40 | jhutchins | amee2k: You might want to use tasksel while there to install the desktop or laptop tasks, install gnome or kde, make sure grub is installed, run update-grub and grub-install, reboot. |
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| 20:04.56 | amee2k | jhutchins: i'm quite fine with what the base install of the regular debian installer would give me |
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| 20:05.33 | jhutchins | amee2k: Yes, but do you know how that differs from what debbootstrap installs? |
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| 20:05.50 | amee2k | no. i'm doing this for the first time |
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| 20:06.32 | jhutchins | I don't either, really. I know the standard installer gives you gnome if you ask for a gui desktop, with no kde option except rip it out and installl kde manually. |
| 20:06.39 | amee2k | its actually an embedded system thats supposed to become a serial terminal. it can boot from a cdrom drive, but the regular install cds all choke at one point or another |
| 20:06.43 | konraddo | hmmm, don't laugh.... but I'll graduate from high school soon and.... do you think that MCSA, CCNA, and basic knowledge about administeering Linux is enought to get a first job in IT sector? :P |
| 20:07.04 | amee2k | can debootstrap create trees for older debian versions too? if yes, how? |
| 20:07.08 | jhutchins | Ok, so what debbootstrap should be adequate, and you can tweak and tune from there. |
| 20:07.23 | amee2k | the system only has a 128M flash drive, so i'd be fine with a 3.1 install or so |
| 20:07.30 | jhutchins | amee2k: Unknown, I just did one system with it. |
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| 20:07.50 | amee2k | unfortunately i don't have any functional 3.1 systems around anymore |
| 20:07.54 | jhutchins | amee2k: No, you don't want to just go with an older release because it's theoretically smaller. Lots of stuff got fixed in 5. |
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| 20:08.23 | jhutchins | amee2k: If you really need a smaller release, go for a smaller distribution like puppy or dsl. |
| 20:08.51 | stew | amee2k: look at the first agrument to debootstrap |
| 20:08.52 | jhutchins | amee2k: There was one called "legacy" or something that was meant for older hardware, and there is emdebian for embedded systems. |
| 20:09.04 | amee2k | the DSL people say their stuff can turn into a genuine debian but i have never managed to make that work in real life |
| 20:09.21 | stew | amee2k: why say they don't know what they are talking about |
| 20:09.31 | jhutchins | amee2k: Yeah, and Linux Mint says they're debian too, but they're not. |
| 20:09.34 | amee2k | stew: ? |
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| 20:09.46 | stew | amee2k: "genuine debian" |
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| 20:10.18 | amee2k | who is not knowing what he's talking about, and who's saying he isn't? |
| 20:10.23 | stew | afaict mint is maybe debian plus some non-free packages where the package maintainer lies about them being non-free and their copyright/license |
| 20:11.03 | stew | amee2k: nevermind. I can take windows and turn it into a genuine debian |
| 20:11.17 | amee2k | jhutchins: i thought the 2.6 kernel is hogging a lot more ram than 2.4 though |
| 20:11.26 | abrotman | the LMDE is currently pointing at squeeze + mint repos for desktop stuff IIRC .. |
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| 20:11.44 | stew | and the mint repos are full of non-free stuff pretending to be free |
| 20:11.46 | stew | which made me worry |
| 20:11.59 | amee2k | isn't mint like a raped ubuntu? |
| 20:12.05 | stew | well, it would if i were going to use mint |
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| 20:12.50 | amee2k | (not that ubuntu is as nice as it once was anymore, but still) |
| 20:13.15 | abrotman | and now we return you to Debian :) |
| 20:13.19 | jhutchins | amee2k: Mint has a version based on squeeze as well. |
| 20:13.38 | jhutchins | amee2k: Anyway, what do you want to do next? |
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| 20:14.17 | amee2k | honestly? figuring out what i want in the first place ;) |
| 20:14.37 | amee2k | debootstrap chokes when trying to make a sarge directory tree, so that doesn't work either |
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| 20:15.43 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using sarge? |
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| 20:15.56 | amee2k | i'm quite concerned abour resources, considering that the system doesn't even run the official installer |
| 20:16.26 | amee2k | never compared it irl, but older stuff kinda feels smaller |
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| 20:16.33 | stew | amee2k: debootstrap works for me for sarge |
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| 20:17.20 | stew | amee2k: i'd guess you are trying to use a normal mirror, but sarge is gone from all the mirrors since it has been unsupported for so many years |
| 20:17.22 | jhutchins | amee2k: From reading the debootstrap wiki page, I gather that it is best to use the version of debootstrap from the release you're targeting. |
| 20:17.25 | amee2k | stew: what command did you use? |
| 20:17.32 | stew | sudo debootstrap --arch=i386 sarge sarge http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 20:17.45 | jhutchins | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 20:18.09 | amee2k | yeah, i found that page too |
| 20:18.28 | amee2k | but i don't have any pre-5 systems around anymore |
| 20:18.46 | amee2k | so i'd have to install one from scratch |
| 20:18.49 | stew | i don't gather that it is necessarily best to use the version of debootstrap you are trying to bootstrap |
| 20:19.45 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, whenever I quit X, the screen remains blank and no VTY appears, but I can still type commands. What can I do about this? |
| 20:19.48 | babilen | emerson: Hei, have you downloaded the script? (the "wget http://⦠" command) and executed it? |
| 20:19.48 | stew | in fact, i'd agrue that some future version of debootstrap could have avoided the problem that he first hit |
| 20:20.24 | jhutchins | amee2k: Did you read this? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 20:20.36 | amee2k | stew: i don't think future versions will fix issues that occour on legacy systems. in my experience often quite the contrary |
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| 20:20.56 | jhutchins | CharminTheMoose: How do you type the commands if no vty appears? Just typing them blind does things? |
| 20:21.16 | CharminTheMoose | jhutchins, yep. :-) |
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| 20:21.37 | jhutchins | CharminTheMoose: Shat relase are you working with? |
| 20:22.00 | stew | amee2k: oh, i figured you were running this on a current debian system |
| 20:22.22 | aidan_ | How can I install the gearman client? (not server)? |
| 20:22.31 | CharminTheMoose | I'm running testing atm. Latest updates. (This is just one problem with X i'm having) |
| 20:22.41 | emerson | babilen: didn't work ..but if I do in that way what do you think |
| 20:22.51 | emerson | babilen: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-lenny-manually |
| 20:23.18 | babilen | emerson: Please don't follow that post |
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| 20:23.19 | amee2k | stew: my desktop system is deb5 on x64, the target system is a pentium mmx based embedded system |
| 20:23.35 | stew | amee2k: that's not legacy, that's current |
| 20:23.35 | babilen | emerson: What didn't work? you couldn't download the script? |
| 20:23.40 | emerson | babilen: okay I wont' . |
| 20:23.47 | tpocra | I am trying to create a serpent encrypted partition with cryptsetup luksFormat with: "cryptsetup -y --cipher serpent-cbc-essiv:sha256 --key-size 256 luksFormat /dev/sdb1" |
| 20:23.51 | amee2k | stew: pentium MMX is current?! |
| 20:23.59 | stew | amee2k: no, deb5 |
| 20:24.01 | amee2k | 32MB RAM, 2x128MB CF cards on an IDE bus |
| 20:24.08 | emerson | I couldn't hold on a second please I have to drop my conection... |
| 20:24.09 | stew | amee2k: i don't think the problem you are having is hardware related |
| 20:24.13 | tpocra | but it FAILS "Check that kernel supports serpent-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher (check syslog for more info)." |
| 20:24.23 | amee2k | the desktop works fine, so best forget about it |
| 20:24.26 | amee2k | >_> |
| 20:24.34 | stew | amee2k: and I don't see why they would go and break the debootstrap scripts for sarge |
| 20:24.42 | tpocra | but I have the kernel module "serpent" loaded |
| 20:24.43 | babilen | emerson: Applicable documentation is: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and in particular 2.2.2.2 Use module-assistant |
| 20:24.58 | babilen | emerson: Ok, cya |
| 20:25.08 | CharminTheMoose | jhutchins, My graphics card is an intel 82G33/31 chipset |
| 20:25.13 | stew | amee2k: and I am saying they could change the scripts so that they default to archive.debian.org instead of ftp.uk.debian.org or whatever the current default is |
| 20:25.26 | amee2k | i tried the install isos for 3.1, 4.0 and 5.03 on the target system. the first two choke on not having a USB controller in the system |
| 20:25.50 | amee2k | and 5.0 chokes on the network card drivers |
| 20:26.21 | jhutchins | amee2k: Which network cards? What driver? |
| 20:27.14 | stew | amee2k: have you checked the bts? have you tried blacklisting the modules that are causing problems? |
| 20:27.14 | amee2k | etherlink 3, the 3.1 installer loads the 3C589_cs module for it and it works fine |
| 20:27.23 | aidan_ | How can I install the gearman client? (not server)? |
| 20:27.32 | babilen | aidan_: Client of what? |
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| 20:27.42 | aidan_ | .. the gearman client |
| 20:28.15 | aidan_ | I'm not misspelling german |
| 20:28.16 | stew | amee2k: do you know the vendorid:deviceid for the network card? |
| 20:28.17 | amee2k | stew: i don't even know whats causing it to fail. it floods the terminal with a message about setting the console to UTF8 mode, then either kernel panics because its out of memory or just freezes |
| 20:28.39 | stew | oh, 32mb of ram |
| 20:28.44 | stew | yeah, that isn't enough for d-i |
| 20:28.49 | stew | you'd have to debootstrap it |
| 20:29.32 | babilen | aidan_: what do you mean by "client" there are million of clients! |
| 20:29.35 | amee2k | which incidentially rules out emdebian since it seems to rely on the regular installer |
| 20:30.00 | aidan_ | babilen: are you serious? |
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| 20:30.13 | emerson | babilen: are you there ? |
| 20:30.13 | babilen | aidan_: yes I am |
| 20:30.17 | babilen | emerson: yes |
| 20:30.35 | amee2k | omg |
| 20:30.38 | aidan_ | babilen: There's a Gearman server, and a Gearman client. Singular. |
| 20:30.40 | amee2k | he means gear-man >_> |
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| 20:30.47 | stew | amee2k: i'm not sure if that is the case |
| 20:30.53 | aidan_ | < aidan_> I'm not misspelling german |
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| 20:31.03 | aidan_ | http://gearman.org/ |
| 20:31.05 | amee2k | oh, you already said that |
| 20:31.09 | themill | ,info gearman |
| 20:31.10 | judd | No record of package 'gearman' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:31.12 | babilen | haha, k :) |
| 20:31.15 | themill | ,info gearman --release sid |
| 20:31.17 | judd | Package gearman (misc, extra) in sid/i386: A distributed job queue. Version: 0.13-1; Size: 5.9k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: http://launchpad.net/gearmand |
| 20:31.19 | amee2k | shuts up |
| 20:31.35 | amee2k | stew: hmmm how so? |
| 20:31.52 | amphi | not for long, eh? ;) |
| 20:31.55 | aidan_ | there's "gearmand" which is the server in lenny already, but it didn't come with a client which is odd I think, |
| 20:32.03 | jhutchins | amee2k: I think it's time to go thrashing through forums looking for your accounts of linux on your hardware and how it was done. |
| 20:32.05 | amee2k | their documentation is a bit of a mess, at least to a noob. looks like a modified copy of the normal debian manual |
| 20:32.39 | babilen | emerson: So, lets get back to work. Could you download and execute the script I linked? |
| 20:33.03 | amee2k | jhutchins: allready tried. but noone seems to post specific instructions |
| 20:33.10 | emerson | babilen: yeah I gonna start from the begining ... |
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| 20:33.38 | aidan_ | If you read this page http://gearman.org/index.php?id=download, it says the "gearman" executable is included with the gearman server (see "Shell" heading). So the debian package has made an effort to remove that. Any ideas? |
| 20:33.45 | stew | amee2k: have you tried asking in their channel? |
| 20:33.55 | amee2k | stew: whos channel? |
| 20:33.56 | emerson | babilen: I could not man .. |
| 20:33.56 | babilen | emerson: And while you are at it -- run "aptitude full-upgrade" in a different shell. This will upgrade all packages to their latest version. |
| 20:34.02 | stew | amee2k: emdebian |
| 20:34.08 | amee2k | oh, they have one? |
| 20:34.19 | amee2k | well, no |
| 20:34.23 | stew | !emdebian |
| 20:34.23 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:34.36 | babilen | emerson: What went wrong? What was the problem? You could also just open http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nvidia-versions.sh in a browser and download it somewhere |
| 20:34.40 | emerson | babilen: done |
| 20:34.59 | amee2k | but i think i'd rather use the regular debian instead if i can make this debootstrap thing work |
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| 20:35.22 | babilen | emerson: Ok, no execute the script with "bash nvidia-versions.sh" (you have to change into your download directory for that to work) |
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| 20:35.30 | babilen | emerson: And paste the output |
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| 20:36.33 | emerson | http://paste.debian.net/99584/ |
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| 20:37.00 | babilen | emerson: I meant the output of "bash nvidia-versions.sh" :) |
| 20:37.01 | amee2k | emdebian lenny debootstrap tree is 97MB, full scale sarge debootstrap tree is 146MB, full scale lenny debootstrap is 190MB |
| 20:37.04 | amee2k | fuck |
| 20:37.20 | amee2k | so much for current isn't really larger anyway |
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| 20:37.50 | diago | EARMUFFS |
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| 20:44.06 | emerson | babilen:I see |
| 20:44.13 | amee2k | is there a standard way to scrape 100MB off the lenny base system? |
| 20:46.07 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/99586/ |
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| 20:48.12 | emerson | babilen: I'm reading quite a lot here ..but for god sake doesn't work.. |
| 20:48.15 | babilen | emerson: wtf? Please execute: "wget http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile\&do=get\&target=nvidia-versions.sh -O nvidia-versions.sh" and paste the output of "nvidia-versions.sh" and *don't* touch NVIDIA-Linux-x64-100.14.23-pkg1.run as that way is *not* supported in here |
| 20:49.23 | babilen | err, paste the output of "bash nvidia-versions.sh" |
| 20:49.48 | bombadil_ | types |
| 20:50.12 | emerson | http://paste.debian.net/99587/ |
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| 20:50.29 | emerson | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/99587/ |
| 20:51.24 | babilen | emerson: *sigh* ... the command continues with the URL and -O nvidia-versions.sh |
| 20:51.37 | babilen | wget http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile\&do=get\&target=nvidia-versions.sh -O nvidia-versions.sh |
| 20:51.43 | diago | lol |
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| 20:53.36 | babilen | emerson: And don't paste the wget output, but the output of "bash nvidia-versions.sh" *after* you've downloaded the script |
| 20:54.05 | stew | url needs more quotes :) |
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| 20:54.24 | stew | and i get a 403 for that url |
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| 20:55.05 | babilen | the command works fine here :-\ |
| 20:55.05 | amee2k | i take that as a no then :P |
| 20:55.05 | amee2k | which leaves me stuck with emdebian then i guess :( |
| 20:55.14 | emerson | babilen:right but you think I gonna be able to turn on my resolution...? |
| 20:56.21 | babilen | emerson: yes, I am currently trying to get you to install the driver. The script checks which driver version you need. This is not really a necessary step ... The summary of what you *really* have to do (assuming the driver version in Lenny (i.e. the Debian you have installed) is new enough) is: |
| 20:56.26 | babilen | !nvidia m-a |
| 20:56.26 | dpkg | [nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>, <nvidia dkms>. |
| 20:56.52 | stew | ah, i didn't see that the & were escaped, i added quotes because the ? wasn't escaped |
| 20:57.07 | EagleScreen | if I store a disk image (created with dd), can I mount it later in a loop or similar? |
| 20:57.15 | babilen | EagleScreen: yes |
| 20:57.18 | diago | yep |
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| 20:57.22 | diago | -o loop |
| 20:57.38 | EagleScreen | it is vfat |
| 20:57.43 | EagleScreen | (fat32) |
| 20:57.56 | diago | mount should figure it out |
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| 20:58.17 | EagleScreen | ok I will try |
| 20:58.29 | babilen | EagleScreen: You can also specify the type with "-t type" |
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| 20:58.45 | EagleScreen | I know |
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| 20:59.19 | EagleScreen | so I figure this: mount my_disk.img -t vfat /mnt -o loop |
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| 20:59.53 | babilen | for example |
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| 21:00.09 | EagleScreen | must I create the image from a single partition? |
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| 21:00.18 | EagleScreen | I used dd if=/dev/sdb |
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| 21:00.38 | stew | EagleScreen: then you'll need to use an offset option |
| 21:00.40 | diago | there is a program I used in the past that breaks the partitions up for you |
| 21:00.48 | diago | what was that... it was GREAT |
| 21:00.49 | emerson | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/99588/ |
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| 21:01.23 | amee2k | !emdebian |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:01.34 | stew | amee2k: you can /msg the bot |
| 21:01.40 | EagleScreen | stew: no idea about offset options |
| 21:01.44 | amee2k | oh, their channel isn't on FN |
| 21:01.48 | diago | kpartx I think |
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| 21:02.43 | babilen | emerson: Not quite⦠Could you paste the output of: "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source" ? |
| 21:02.46 | diago | EagleScreen: man kpartx |
| 21:03.15 | diago | EagleScreen: http://robert.penz.name/73/kpartx-a-tool-for-mounting-partitions-within-an-image-file/ |
| 21:03.53 | diago | I found it very useful on a busted VM image |
| 21:04.22 | babilen | emerson: And your sources.list as well -- You edited to include the "contrib non-free" part at the end and ran "aptitude update" afterwards didn't you? |
| 21:04.52 | emerson | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/99589/ |
| 21:05.00 | EagleScreen | and can I mount the partition directly with mount if I create it with if=/dev/sdb1 ? |
| 21:05.48 | babilen | emerson: It is "apt-cache policy" (on line!) and "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source" (also *one* line) -- you can paste the output in a single pastebin |
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| 21:06.13 | stew | EagleScreen: yes |
| 21:06.27 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/99590/ |
| 21:07.20 | babilen | and "apt-cache policy" and please answer the questions regarding your sources.list and "aptitude update" |
| 21:07.21 | EagleScreen | then I cpy it from /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:07.35 | helo | hmm... lenny going from 1GB to 2GB ram, bios sees it, but linux still sees 1GB |
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| 21:08.40 | stew | helo: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:09.02 | EagleScreen | okay I have mounted the image, but it wasn't useful for my intent of recover data |
| 21:09.25 | emerson | http://paste.debian.net/99587/ babilen:http://paste.debian.net/99592 |
| 21:09.43 | helo | 2.6.26-2-486... i guess 686? |
| 21:09.46 | themill | helo: you need to install a -686 kernel in place of that -486 kernel. |
| 21:09.56 | helo | thanks :) |
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| 21:11.05 | babilen | emerson: thank you -- you forgot the "aptitude update" -- now run "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel" and paste the output |
| 21:11.06 | EagleScreen | I have a usb-stick, I have partialy broken it, I have bent it a little by accident, now I see some files and folders in it, but other are missing |
| 21:11.07 | stew | helo: yes (assuming you have a cpu that supports it) |
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| 21:12.29 | nsadmin | EagleScreen: you might try a different stick |
| 21:12.30 | stew | helo: the thinking being that a CPU that is < 686 has little chance of supporting more than 960mb and could use the slight gains from not allowing it |
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| 21:12.55 | EagleScreen | nsadmin: I would like to recover some files in it |
| 21:13.25 | nsadmin | copy what you can out of there |
| 21:13.43 | EagleScreen | the OS says that it has 6 GB used, but the files showed are only around 800 KB |
| 21:13.48 | amee2k | how about making an image from it as long as you can? |
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| 21:14.18 | amee2k | maybe carefully remove the case and assess the amount of physical damage the board inside has sustained? |
| 21:15.28 | amee2k | if the solder joints on the USB connector have developed hairline fractures or have come lose, reheating them could fix it |
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| 21:15.43 | EagleScreen | mmm |
| 21:15.45 | EagleScreen | yes |
| 21:16.13 | EagleScreen | and, by the moment, look at the fsck.vfat message please: http://pastebin.ca/1988496 |
| 21:16.23 | EagleScreen | what do you think? |
| 21:16.34 | amee2k | ummm |
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| 21:16.42 | amee2k | never ever try to write to a failing storage device |
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| 21:17.20 | amee2k | fsck trying to fix file system damage that doesn't exist can screw it up entirely |
| 21:19.32 | helo | fair enough |
| 21:20.23 | thewanderer1 | if working with failing storage, make a copy and work with that |
| 21:20.31 | babilen | emerson: Did the "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel" run through this time? |
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| 21:21.12 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/99593/ |
| 21:22.08 | babilen | emerson: Wonderful :) |
| 21:22.22 | emerson | babilen:yes ...:) |
| 21:22.28 | nsadmin | looks like it worked |
| 21:22.37 | babilen | emerson: Now run: "aptitude install nvidia-glx" |
| 21:22.38 | amee2k | its also why i'm cursing that there is no way to temporarily disable the automatic mount thing on my desktop |
| 21:22.44 | babilen | emerson: and don't paste it if it worked |
| 21:22.46 | babilen | :) |
| 21:23.35 | EagleScreen | i have removed the case |
| 21:23.36 | emerson | babilen: I don't know you might want to see it :) |
| 21:23.45 | EagleScreen | is there only four pins? |
| 21:23.51 | babilen | emerson: If that worked: "nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 21:23.52 | emerson | babilen: done.. |
| 21:24.19 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: if you're in GNOME, it's a registry... err... gconf entry to auto-mount stuff like a noob |
| 21:24.42 | amee2k | ... |
| 21:24.47 | amee2k | i love you too you know |
| 21:24.56 | emerson | babilen: jesus that last one now didn't work... |
| 21:25.00 | babilen | emerson: I would like to see the output of that command ;) |
| 21:25.48 | thewanderer1 | EagleScreen: you might want to review the USB spec :) |
| 21:25.55 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/99595/ |
| 21:26.12 | amee2k | yeah, ground, power and two data pins |
| 21:26.26 | amee2k | hairline cracks in the solder may not be visible to the naked eye |
| 21:26.26 | EagleScreen | the four pins are apparently connected |
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| 21:26.38 | thewanderer1 | hopes that not to one another |
| 21:26.40 | EagleScreen | oh |
| 21:26.50 | amee2k | it'll show continuity on a resistance tester too |
| 21:27.12 | babilen | emerson: Great, that looks as if it worked. It might happen that the graphical system if not working after you restart. Do you have other means to come here? |
| 21:27.18 | amee2k | but it still can screw up the HF signal enough to make it fail |
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| 21:27.29 | babilen | emerson: Something like a second computer ⦠|
| 21:27.46 | EagleScreen | dmesg doesn't report any error, stranger |
| 21:27.49 | amee2k | does the board look damaged? or could it have been bent while you broke it? |
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| 21:28.42 | emerson | babilen:what do you mean to buy another one ? |
| 21:28.45 | amee2k | if the traces on the board were broken, there isn't much you can do quickly to fix it |
| 21:28.48 | EagleScreen | the board is apparently fine |
| 21:28.58 | amee2k | you can try reheating the pins on the connector with a soldering iron and try again |
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| 21:29.10 | amee2k | reflowing the joints will close any hairline cracks |
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| 21:29.27 | babilen | emerson: The computer you are using right now is the only one you have around? (I just want to make sure that you can still receive support *IF* something goes wrong) |
| 21:29.53 | amee2k | if the data is vital and nothing helps, you can get another *identical* stick (same model and size!) and swap the memory chips |
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| 21:30.05 | italia_no | hallo |
| 21:30.19 | amee2k | but its a nasty piece of work and probably requires a hot air rework station |
| 21:30.25 | emerson | babilen: no I have another one ... |
| 21:30.26 | EagleScreen | amee2k: that must be very difficult, isn't it? |
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| 21:30.58 | amee2k | especially since i vaguely recall certain kinds of flash memory to lose data at high temperatures |
| 21:31.04 | italia_no | I have to install the package linux-headers for my kernel 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32. Do you know where to find the package? |
| 21:31.25 | emerson | babilen: what you want me to give up ? |
| 21:31.34 | EagleScreen | italia_no: how did you get that kernel? |
| 21:31.47 | amee2k | probably best if you find someone who regularly works with SMT parts and has the equipment and routine. it'll be a quick exercise then |
| 21:31.49 | babilen | emerson: No, no ... I just want to make sure that you can come here even if the new driver is not working :) |
| 21:31.49 | thewanderer1 | italia_no: sorry, it's not a Debian kernel - please ask your hardware administrator / server provider to provide that |
| 21:31.52 | EagleScreen | italia_no: look for it in the site you got it |
| 21:31.59 | italia_no | is from ovh |
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| 21:32.12 | italia_no | they made it patched |
| 21:32.12 | thewanderer1 | italia_no: then bug ovh about that :) |
| 21:32.34 | emerson | babilen: No I'm here you're my friend now ...:) |
| 21:32.37 | italia_no | thank's i wored out |
| 21:32.42 | italia_no | ked* |
| 21:32.44 | babilen | emerson: As you have another computer that is not a big problem ... |
| 21:32.46 | emerson | babilen: ;) |
| 21:32.55 | babilen | emerson: Let me think, if we forgot something :-\ |
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| 21:34.43 | thewanderer1 | would like to notice that the last time he tried, nvidia-xconfig did not work for him so he had to use X -configure and replace nv with nvidia to make that work, just in case |
| 21:34.43 | babilen | emerson: I think we are fine: execute "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" as root (this will restart the graphical system with the new driver) |
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| 21:35.07 | babilen | emerson: this *might* not work so don't panic then and use your other computer if that is the case :) |
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| 21:36.53 | nsadmin | or just ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 21:37.17 | amee2k | just a guess, but checking the local university for EE students with lots of lab hours could help |
| 21:37.17 | emerson | babilen: it didn't work... |
| 21:37.18 | babilen | or that ... |
| 21:37.23 | nsadmin | you don't necessarily need to restart gdm, just x itself |
| 21:37.39 | amee2k | you can probably find someone who'll swap the chip for you for a coffee and a tenner or so |
| 21:37.42 | babilen | emerson: too bad |
| 21:38.06 | emerson | babilen: yeah I know ... :( what can I do then ? |
| 21:38.07 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: afaik, reloading X instance via ctrl+alt+backspace would not make X load up a new driver... |
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| 21:38.22 | babilen | emerson: i'll smoke a cigarette ... someone else might help in the meanwhile (examine xorg log etc) |
| 21:38.36 | nsadmin | actually I believe it will |
| 21:39.13 | nsadmin | ctrl-alt-backspace -exits- x |
| 21:39.21 | nsadmin | gdm would restart it |
| 21:39.22 | emerson | babilen: well cigarettes is not good for your health ....but anyway see ya.. |
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| 21:40.20 | babilen | nsadmin, thewanderer1: would you mind taking over for a while? |
| 21:40.41 | nsadmin | I can give it a shot... |
| 21:40.47 | thewanderer1 | I'll try |
| 21:40.59 | thewanderer1 | I have some nvidia stuff in here after all |
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| 21:41.24 | babilen | emerson: you might want to elaborate on: "didn't work" :) |
| 21:41.57 | thewanderer1 | a good way to start would be pasting some bits from /var/log/Xorg.0.log - say, 40 last lines |
| 21:42.24 | panik | So I was messing with my debian server the other day. I was in the /etc/init.d/ directory and I then typed in rm -R /home/someuser/ * Made for a long night |
| 21:42.32 | nsadmin | or just paste the whole thing |
| 21:42.51 | emerson | babilen: you know what I never give up ... |
| 21:42.55 | helo | panik: nice! |
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| 21:43.07 | nsadmin | panik: sorry to hear that... hope you had a backup |
| 21:43.41 | helo | panik: did you realize what had happened before you rebooted? |
| 21:43.43 | panik | nope, just my file server, I copied all the important configs over and reinstalled |
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| 21:44.14 | babilen | emerson: you might need a newer version (the script which you failed to execute would have told us that) -- change to a text console (CTRL-ALT-F1), login, "aptitude install pastebinit" and "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and give us the URL |
| 21:44.38 | panik | I was messing with a start up scirpt, I think i was trying to restart a program throught /etc/init.d/ System said coudl not fine file, so I did a ls /etc/init.d/ and wanted to cry |
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| 21:45.20 | babilen | emerson: but please tell us what "didn't work" ! What happened? What is the status? Is X (the graphical server) not working right now? |
| 21:45.30 | babilen | anyway ... see you later :) |
| 21:46.23 | Delaya | having some problems with lenny 2.6.26 -2-amd64. both iwconfig cannot find anything but the loopback interface (no eth0 or wlan0). any suggestions? |
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| 21:46.38 | emerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.10 | neil_d | I have a Ubuntu laptop... when I bring it out of hibernate, the nfs client doesn't connect to the server correctly... :( ... dmesg show numerous "nfs: server bigone.lan not responding, timed out" ... :( .... but I know that server is going, it is responding to pings... what can I do to fix this? |
| 21:48.37 | stew | neil_d: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:49.09 | neil_d | stew: I did... didn't get an answer so I thought I would try here. |
| 21:49.10 | panik | I have a question that maybe someone can answer, My screen resolution is obviously set up correctly, as there is visible clarity that wouldn't exist otherwise. The log on screen, however, seems to be using a different resolution, only utilizing 640x480 it seems in the corner of the desktop. The actual screen resolution is okay at the log on screen, but the log on itself, is very small. I get the same thing happening when I log on, all window |
| 21:49.36 | stew | neil_d: we don't support ubuntu here. try a ubuntu mailing list or webforum |
| 21:49.48 | panik | would I have to mess with GDM for that? It seems like the X server is set up correctly |
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| 21:50.19 | babilen | emerson: Ok, that is good news actually ... It seems as if the EDID information is somehow wrong. You want to paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log install read-edid and paste the output of "read-edid|parse-edid" and try to add a new mode as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 "II.6 Adding new modes" |
| 21:50.19 | emerson | bebilen: I'm out of the graphic interface .. |
| 21:50.46 | babilen | I'm off ... good luck! |
| 21:50.51 | emerson | babilen: good neews ? |
| 21:51.10 | babilen | emerson: The driver installation worked :) |
| 21:51.10 | emerson | babilen: are you sure ..:) |
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| 21:51.55 | babilen | emerson: Verify by looking at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or let others have a look) and by running "glxinfo" and checking for (e.g.) direct rendering: Yes ... and so |
| 21:51.59 | emerson | babilen: YOU ARE THE MAN .....!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:52.00 | babilen | emerson: Have fun |
| 21:52.28 | stew | !babilen++ |
| 21:52.47 | emerson | babilen: now way you won't get rid of me so easy you have to teach what you have done ... |
| 21:52.49 | babilen | emerson: But let me have a short look at the output of "xrandr" and "read-edid|parse-edid" and the paste of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and "glxinfo" please |
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| 21:54.08 | emerson | babilen: of course hold on a second .. |
| 21:55.06 | babilen | emerson: And please put all that in *one* paste |
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| 21:55.37 | emerson | babilen: Okay I will....don't worry ... |
| 21:58.33 | terminator | Does anyone know what debian package this in ? a2dismod |
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| 21:58.59 | icebrain | !apt-file |
| 21:59.00 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | !tell terminator about apt-file |
| 21:59.19 | abrotman | terminator: probably apache2.2-common, but not 100% sure |
| 21:59.24 | icebrain | yes, it is |
| 21:59.26 | babilen | terminator: Didn't i already tell you? its in apache2.2-common |
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| 22:00.30 | terminator | apache2-common has already been removed any aptitude keeps complaining about it. |
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| 22:00.50 | babilen | terminator: well, installit to make the prerm script happy |
| 22:01.02 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.ne/99599/ |
| 22:01.12 | stew | apache2-common should be long gone, it was replaced by apache2.2-common a long time ago |
| 22:01.13 | terminator | I am going put dpkg on my ignore list soon |
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| 22:01.16 | stew | when lenny was testing |
| 22:01.39 | emerson | babilen: works but it changed the configuration of my keyboard.. |
| 22:01.51 | stew | terminator: why? dpkg just gave you useful info, like how you could have found this answer for yourself |
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| 22:02.06 | emerson | babilen: never mind I gonna work on it.. |
| 22:02.51 | terminator | Its not in ci apache2.2-common |
| 22:03.15 | babilen | emerson: The resolution is correct now -- please run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and "glxinfo" as well ... |
| 22:03.24 | babilen | emerson: Do you use Gnome? |
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| 22:03.36 | babilen | emerson: yay -- the resolution is correct :-D |
| 22:03.38 | stew | terminator: according to apt-file, a2dismod is in apache2.2-common |
| 22:03.53 | emerson | babilen: yeah I use gnome... |
| 22:04.09 | terminator | I just installed apache2.2-comon and did a find / -name and its not finding the file on the hard drive/ |
| 22:04.17 | latenite | Hi folks, why is my time off ONE hour? http://pastie.org/1291138 it should be 23:03 |
| 22:04.19 | icebrain | terminator: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 22:04.30 | emerson | babilen: all good I told you just my keyboard but that's not a big deal.. |
| 22:04.32 | icebrain | it's there, I have it, and dpkg -L apache2.2-common lists it |
| 22:04.38 | stew | terminator: "dpkg -S a2enmod" would be much quicker |
| 22:04.41 | terminator | Let me check |
| 22:04.42 | babilen | emerson: You can configure your keyboard in SystemâPreferencesâKeyboard |
| 22:04.43 | abrotman | !tell latenite about set the time |
| 22:04.45 | stew | (than find /..) |
| 22:05.13 | terminator | No |
| 22:05.25 | stew | no? |
| 22:05.28 | latenite | abrotman, the bot did n say anything :) |
| 22:05.33 | babilen | emerson: *phew* that worked ... but let me have a look at the logs and glxinfo to make sure that everything is fine :) |
| 22:05.42 | abrotman | latenite: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS .. what does it say ? |
| 22:05.50 | Kuifje111 | what app do you need to run svn co? |
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| 22:06.10 | latenite | abrotman, UTC=yes |
| 22:06.10 | Kuifje111 | never mind, got it. |
| 22:06.14 | terminator | The file is not in that directory |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | latenite: that should be no |
| 22:06.38 | abrotman | set to no |
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| 22:07.04 | icebrain | terminator: ls /usr/sbin/a2dismod doesn't list it? Are you sure you have apache2.2-common installed? |
| 22:07.11 | emerson | babilen:http://paste.debian.ne/99600/ |
| 22:07.42 | terminator | Yes, ci apache2.2-common - Apache HTTP Server common files |
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| 22:08.44 | NET||abuse | hey guys, i added dotdeb repo to my box, as i want to get off php5.2 and onto 5.3 |
| 22:08.51 | latenite | the time is still off http://pastie.org/1291147 |
| 22:09.07 | NET||abuse | so i created a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dotdeb.list file |
| 22:09.22 | NET||abuse | added the gpgp key, and then did apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:09.33 | NET||abuse | but php 5.2.4 is stil the only version available. |
| 22:09.36 | NET||abuse | no sign of php5.3 |
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| 22:09.51 | NET||abuse | am i missing a step? |
| 22:10.01 | icebrain | terminator: aptitude reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 22:10.40 | k_wolf | Hi there. :) |
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| 22:11.31 | icebrain | NET||abuse: you need to add deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 22:11.40 | icebrain | for 5.3, have you done it? |
| 22:11.54 | latenite | my time ist off one houre. I habe no clue why? http://pastie.org/1291152 |
| 22:11.54 | NET||abuse | ohhh, i didn't realize that, i just went to dotdeb instruction page,, |
| 22:12.02 | emerson | babilen: sorry but how do I get the information that you want... |
| 22:12.15 | babilen | emerson: beatiful -- what about "glxinfo|grep -i direct" does it say direct rendering: Yes ? |
| 22:12.58 | terminator | Weird |
| 22:13.18 | babilen | emerson: Would you like some eye-candy? Just for to celebrate? |
| 22:13.23 | babilen | s/for// |
| 22:13.52 | emerson | babilen: why not :) |
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| 22:14.10 | emerson | babilen: it says here command not found. |
| 22:14.16 | eptalon | heyas |
| 22:14.26 | emerson | babilen: but please teach me what you have done ... |
| 22:14.56 | emerson | babilen: tell me book's name whatever but teach me .. |
| 22:15.03 | icebrain | emerson: install mesa-utils to get glxinfo |
| 22:15.36 | eptalon | suppose I have a 2T harddisk (with one partition) at /dev/sdd1, will dd if=/dev/sdd1 of=somefile be the total size of the partition, or only the allocated size (used)? |
| 22:16.11 | icebrain | eptalon: total |
| 22:16.30 | icebrain | dd doesn't know about the fs |
| 22:16.38 | babilen | emerson: That might take a while ... one second |
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| 22:16.53 | eptalon | icebrain: 2T volume, 600M allocated; houw do I get an "image" of the allocated 600M? |
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| 22:17.30 | emerson | icebrain: thank you .. |
| 22:17.32 | Nichi | What WM is used with Debian Live standard? |
| 22:18.03 | NET||abuse | icebrain, i'm dumb, thanks |
| 22:18.09 | emerson | babilen: output: yes |
| 22:18.33 | Nichi | I see GNOME, XFCE, LXDE, and KDE as other disc images, but no idea what standard and rescue use. |
| 22:18.35 | eptalon | Nichi: I'd guess GNOME, and its a desktop envirnoment |
| 22:18.40 | Nichi | Hmm |
| 22:18.44 | babilen | emerson: great ... and now: "gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true" |
| 22:18.44 | Nichi | I see |
| 22:18.47 | latenite | any ideas why my time is still off one hour? http://pastie.org/1291152 |
| 22:18.50 | k_wolf | I'm writting a script to check the "debian version". Theres any document or info at web which I can use to compare the "/etc/debian_version" with a external value? |
| 22:18.51 | eptalon | Nichi: pick the one you like. |
| 22:18.57 | babilen | !tell emerson about reference |
| 22:19.28 | Tramp | latenite: no. Do you manually set TZ somewhere in your environment? |
| 22:19.31 | icebrain | eptalon: "Clone2fs copies an ext2/ext3 file system to another volume or an image file. Unlike dd, clone2fs does not copy the whole volume but only blocks that are actually in use. " |
| 22:19.34 | eptalon | Nichi: I don't like KDE nor GNOME, but XFCE; but thats a personal choice |
| 22:19.43 | icebrain | eptalon: not in Debian, though |
| 22:20.01 | eptalon | icebrain: the current fs the thing uses is NTFS |
| 22:20.26 | eptalon | icebrain: external hard drive (WD) |
| 22:20.42 | latenite | Tramp, no not that I know of |
| 22:20.46 | emerson | babilen: now value for the word true... |
| 22:21.15 | Tramp | latenite: well. Check it. echo "$TZ" |
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| 22:21.47 | babilen | emerson: everyhting is beautiful after the gconftool-2 command? (should enable more eye-candy in Gnome) |
| 22:22.02 | eptalon | icebrain: any suggestions how I backup the SW of the beast before using it? |
| 22:22.10 | icebrain | eptalon: ntfsclone in ntfsprogs? |
| 22:22.11 | latenite | Tramp, websever:~# $TZ |
| 22:22.11 | latenite | websever:~# |
| 22:22.29 | Tramp | latenite: where did I tell you to type "$TZ"? |
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| 22:22.54 | babilen | emerson: Just read the Debian reference -- You can also install it (different languages as well) its in the package "debian-reference-en" you can see other languages by executing "aptitude search debian-reference" and read it with "iceweasel /usr/share/doc/debian-reference-common/html/index.html" |
| 22:22.56 | Tramp | but however, it would have worked as well. so - no, no idea |
| 22:23.15 | latenite | Tramp, sorry my fault http://pastie.org/1291183 |
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| 22:24.16 | k[t | Tramp: is TZ still required if ntpd is running? |
| 22:24.21 | tux33 | hw |
| 22:24.24 | tux33 | ping |
| 22:24.32 | emerson | babilen: so I will be able to do that ..you mean...? |
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| 22:24.40 | Tramp | k[t: it has nothing to do with ntp and TZ is deprecated. It would have explained his problem though |
| 22:24.44 | tux33 | i from a debian wks in israel |
| 22:24.46 | tux33 | shalom |
| 22:24.48 | tux33 | peace |
| 22:24.52 | emerson | babilen: look the eye-candy is the 3D effect ? |
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| 22:24.57 | babilen | emerson: yes |
| 22:25.04 | tux33 | tux@mail2.co.il |
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| 22:25.17 | latenite | Tramp, is t right that $TZ is empty? |
| 22:25.25 | Tramp | latenite: yes |
| 22:25.26 | babilen | emerson: If you don't want that run the same command with "false" instead of "true" :) |
| 22:25.32 | tux33 | what should i do with debian? |
| 22:25.42 | tux33 | monitoring the network? |
| 22:25.44 | latenite | Tramp, so what else could that eb? |
| 22:25.47 | latenite | *be |
| 22:25.48 | emerson | babilen: didn't work ..I think I had done something wrong ... |
| 22:26.06 | k[t | well that was informing... |
| 22:26.24 | emerson | babilen; of course I want it to work... |
| 22:26.54 | eptalon | icebrain: thanks, seems to have done the trick |
| 22:27.01 | babilen | emerson: haha ... you execute "gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true" as your user and nothing happens? |
| 22:27.30 | tux33 | www.blitzpost.com is freebsd |
| 22:27.50 | icebrain | tux33: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 22:27.52 | tux33 | and web.mail2.co.il is openbsd |
| 22:28.02 | Tramp | !timezone > latenite |
| 22:28.03 | tux33 | yes snort-mysql |
| 22:28.20 | Tramp | !tell latenite -about timezone |
| 22:28.39 | tux33 | israel time 12:28 |
| 22:28.44 | tux33 | am |
| 22:29.03 | latenite | Tramp, http://pastie.org/1291152 I did edit thsi fiel before. see my paste |
| 22:29.23 | icebrain | !tell tux33 about offtopic |
| 22:29.31 | Nichi | Oi! Everytime I do a large update I always get broken package(s) and therefore can't use apt-get to install remove and packages... |
| 22:29.39 | Nichi | Any idea how to fix this? |
| 22:29.40 | tux33 | !tell icebrain thx |
| 22:29.47 | Nichi | Last time I just reinstalled |
| 22:29.57 | Tramp | latenite: you did a "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" already? |
| 22:30.16 | latenite | yes |
| 22:30.26 | latenite | Tramp, yes |
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| 22:30.51 | Nichi | Anyway to remove broken packages and reinstall them? Or would that probably not help? |
| 22:31.43 | emerson | babilen: man thank you very much to spend your time helpping me .. |
| 22:31.59 | Tramp | latenite: what's the output of "ls -l /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime" |
| 22:32.14 | babilen | emerson: You are welcome -- Spread the word about Debian, read the reference and enjoy it :) |
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| 22:32.52 | emerson | babilen: are you a debian developer? |
| 22:32.56 | latenite | Tramp, http://pastie.org/1291209 |
| 22:33.18 | babilen | emerson: no |
| 22:33.38 | Tramp | latenite: why does this machine say "desktop" and the other one "webserver"? |
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| 22:33.39 | emerson | babilen: I think you're in the right path....to be one .. |
| 22:33.51 | latenite | Tramp, I did a dpkg-reconfigure tzdata now it s all good |
| 22:33.58 | Tramp | so you lied all the time? |
| 22:34.08 | latenite | Tramp, no clue what else is changed by dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ..but it helped |
| 22:34.08 | Tramp | that's frustrating |
| 22:34.11 | emerson | babilen: where are you from man ? sorry to ask... |
| 22:34.29 | latenite | Tramp, http://pastie.org/1291215 |
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| 22:34.50 | Tramp | latenite: why did you say you already did it when you didn't?? |
| 22:35.02 | Tramp | yes, I see that it's good now because you finally did, what you were told |
| 22:35.16 | latenite | Tramp, I did...right a the start...but it had no effect |
| 22:35.24 | Tramp | sure |
| 22:35.40 | latenite | Tramp, thank you...aould have not ried it again if it was n for you :) |
| 22:35.46 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:35.54 | latenite | yw?? |
| 22:36.01 | Tramp | you're welcome |
| 22:36.16 | latenite | oh :) thanks :) |
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| 22:37.20 | tux33 | blitzpost is email in yiddish |
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| 22:38.15 | tux33 | but i have to make a pastbin and ill be back |
| 22:38.36 | tux33 | snort-mysql is not working |
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| 22:39.07 | tux33 | but first i need to find in israel a nc, why is rtl not working |
| 22:39.11 | tux33 | nic |
| 22:39.25 | terminator | Is that file should it be the /usr/sbin directory right? |
| 22:40.11 | tux33 | don't kick me |
| 22:40.15 | tux33 | pls |
| 22:40.21 | tux33 | i need debian |
| 22:40.28 | tux33 | i love tux |
| 22:40.42 | tux33 | ;-) |
| 22:40.46 | Nichi | Ya, it'd be cruel to force him to use Windows |
| 22:41.01 | terminator | Lol |
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| 22:41.40 | terminator | There is a file named !a2dismod in the apache2-common |
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| 22:43.03 | emerson | babilen: how can I turn on the eye-candy ? |
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| 22:44.04 | terminator | How do you remove the symbonic link from a like? |
| 22:45.23 | emerson | how can I add other languages for the keyboard...? |
| 22:45.49 | terminator | Oops |
| 22:45.53 | terminator | How do you remove the symbonic link from a file? |
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| 22:46.54 | Delaya | just installed a fresh lenny and no network interface is detected (either eth0 or wlan0). ifconfig -a only gives the loopback. any sugggestions how to fix? |
| 22:47.57 | thewanderer1 | Delaya: you probably need drivers... |
| 22:48.16 | eptalon | terminator: just delete the resp. file? |
| 22:48.19 | mmxxmx | its not liek ua re intallign windows ;) |
| 22:48.45 | tux33 | why is flash not working good ?;-) |
| 22:48.55 | eptalon | Delaya: load the resp. kernel modules? |
| 22:49.10 | thewanderer1 | hmm tux33, perhaps ask Adobe :P |
| 22:49.22 | eptalon | tux33: flash, at least the versions I have seen, were broken technlogy |
| 22:49.40 | tux33 | thx |
| 22:50.07 | tux33 | israeli online? |
| 22:50.24 | eptalon | tux33: Idea in itslef may be good, but Adobe doesn't seem able/willing to provide working versions (and I am not even talking linux yet) |
| 22:51.23 | tux33 | but google is bad and www.search2.net is good (open source from apache) |
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| 22:51.28 | tux33 | ;-) |
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| 22:51.56 | Delaya | eptalon: resp? |
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| 22:52.06 | tux33 | hello world (beta testing) |
| 22:52.19 | eptalon | Delaya: respective |
| 22:52.21 | tux33 | looking for beta tester thx |
| 22:52.24 | tux33 | ende |
| 22:52.28 | tux33 | ;-) |
| 22:53.36 | Kyoku | one of my apps reports using 120% cpu in top.. how is that possible? |
| 22:53.41 | tux33 | why google not find us? |
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| 22:53.48 | themill | tux33: perhaps you were looking for #defocus? |
| 22:54.01 | eptalon | Kyoku: two cores/threads/cpu's? |
| 22:54.17 | tux33 | hw |
| 22:54.59 | tux33 | israel time 00:54 |
| 22:54.59 | tux33 | and i am working sorry |
| 22:55.02 | tux33 | ;-) |
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| 22:59.21 | terminator | THe problem with the file and why its not seeing it is because its a symbolic link. |
| 23:00.52 | Delaya | eptalon: well i have all the drivers ,but it still doesnt detect eth0 or wlan0, do u kniow how to set default modules loaded by the kernel at boot? |
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| 23:02.31 | eptalon | Delaya: dmesg|less (and scroll through) should give hints to what is autodetected/loaded |
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| 23:03.43 | eptalon | Delaya: [ 1.041426] eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101] (PCI Express) MAC address .. (that's mine) |
| 23:06.00 | terminator | I fixed the symbolic link problem can you take a look at this http://pastebin.com/9rPgAtL0 |
| 23:06.06 | terminator | I am still getting error 1 |
| 23:07.02 | terminator | BdA libapache2-mod-bwshare What does bdA mean? |
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| 23:09.11 | sacredchao | I am trying to rename a file with a � symbol in it, but it says the file does not exist. |
| 23:09.58 | terminator | Maybe apt-get breaks stuff. |
| 23:10.11 | sacredchao | I can rename it in the terminal with mv command, but not with the GUI (I am using Dolphin in KDE4) |
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| 23:10.40 | Delaya | eptalon: it doesnt return anything to grep eth0 in dmesg |
| 23:10.41 | terminator | What is this ERROR: Module bwshare does not exist!?? |
| 23:10.57 | Delaya | eptalon: seems like the harware is not detected at all |
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| 23:12.44 | terminator | Is there a command that I can use to check all the depencies on the system and fix them? |
| 23:12.51 | lotus-blade | I am trying to install from cd using netinstall. my system has a ide cd drive set as cs on the primary ide channel and all of my drives are SCSI. how do I get debian to recognize the ide drive? it tells me that it can not mount the disk, but it boots from it |
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| 23:13.18 | eptalon | Delaya: there you go. |
| 23:13.33 | eptalon | Delaya: what network card are you using? |
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| 23:14.55 | tux33 | ping |
| 23:15.02 | tux33 | hw |
| 23:15.05 | HermanDE | Pong. |
| 23:15.22 | tux33 | happy |
| 23:15.27 | tux33 | two lines |
| 23:15.28 | HermanDE | Pissed |
| 23:15.35 | HermanDE | One word. |
| 23:15.53 | tux33 | i am sorry |
| 23:16.10 | tux33 | how can i help you |
| 23:16.18 | terminator | Tux? |
| 23:16.30 | tux33 | tux@blitzpost.com |
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| 23:16.53 | terminator | What does Bd mean Bd libapache2-mod-bwshar |
| 23:17.13 | tux33 | blitzpost is email in yeddish |
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| 23:17.43 | themill | tux33: I don't think we care... please go play in #defocus |
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| 23:18.11 | tux33 | defocus thx |
| 23:18.24 | reklipz | I've installed squeeze on an HP 8100 Elite CMT machine, and I'm having issues with the system locking up when starting X. I have read that I need to set the kernel parameter intel_iommu=off. |
| 23:18.33 | reklipz | I have done this, but it doesn't have any effect. |
| 23:18.51 | terminator | Everytime I run aptitude upgrade is asking me if I want to install the file and when I hit Y its installs apache2-comon |
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| 23:18.57 | Delaya | eptalon: intel agn 6200 |
| 23:18.59 | tux33 | wow cool room |
| 23:19.07 | tux33 | themill thx |
| 23:19.26 | reklipz | The system is an Intel Core i5 on a Q57 chipset. |
| 23:20.28 | Delaya | eptalon: have any experience with this card? |
| 23:20.56 | eptalon | Delaya: I don#t but intel cards are usually well supported |
| 23:22.05 | eptalon | Delaya: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn ? |
| 23:22.25 | tux33 | https://wiki..? |
| 23:22.37 | eptalon | Delaya: module is called iwlagn |
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| 23:23.08 | eptalon | Ok. off for now |
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| 23:25.35 | Delaya | eptalon: yeh tried that before, but the iwlagn module never appears as a modprobe argument after i load it |
| 23:25.58 | Delaya | eptalon: only iwl3945 and iwl4565 |
| 23:26.08 | Delaya | eptalon: but i need iwlagn |
| 23:26.34 | Delaya | eptalon: the first two were there from before so maybe better removing them first then install again? |
| 23:27.14 | eptalon | Delaya: I have no idea (got a wired link, and no way to cross-check), perhaps someone else here can help here |
| 23:27.29 | eptalon | Delaya: did you look at the link I gave? |
| 23:27.56 | Delaya | eptalon: yes thats ehre i got the current .deb |
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| 23:28.22 | eptalon | Delaya: http://intellinuxwireless.org/ seems to be another one |
| 23:28.45 | eptalon | Delaya: There used to be a driver specific for the 3945 hardware (ipw3945 hosted on ipw3945.sourceforge.net). This project is deprecated, please use the iwlwifi driver instead. |
| 23:28.54 | eptalon | from the intel site |
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| 23:29.31 | lotus-blade | is there any special thing that I need to type in to get the ide cd drive to read when I am installing to SCSI drives? |
| 23:29.42 | Delaya | eptalon: yeh seen dat :p |
| 23:29.55 | Delaya | eptalon: u know how to remove a driver from the kernel? |
| 23:30.04 | eptalon | Delaya: rmmod? |
| 23:30.10 | eptalon | Anyway, I am off |
| 23:30.47 | Delaya | eptalon: but thats only for a module? |
| 23:31.08 | eptalon | rmmod foomod, removes that module |
| 23:31.10 | Delaya | eptalon: i mean a .deb driver which was install by dpkg -i drivername.deb |
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| 23:31.35 | eptalon | I am off |
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| 23:32.27 | Delaya | anyone know how to remove a driver from the kernel? |
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| 23:33.46 | babilen | Delaya: Why would you want to do that? |
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| 23:40.00 | verma | where is lomount in debian lenny? |
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| 23:50.32 | lotus-blade | can you do a net install from the first cd? |
| 23:50.48 | petemc | yes |
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| 23:51.22 | lotus-blade | is that in other options or somethiing? |
| 23:52.09 | petemc | it doesnt ask you to set up a mirror? |
| 23:52.52 | faheem | lotus-blade: why would you want to? there is a netinst cd for that |
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| 23:53.13 | faheem | lotus-blade: you've already downloaded the first cd? |
| 23:54.30 | lotus-blade | yes as well as the netboot |
| 23:54.39 | lotus-blade | netboot will not mount' |
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| 23:54.54 | faheem | lotus-blade: why do you want to mount it? |
| 23:54.58 | faheem | lotus-blade: you boot from it |
| 23:55.19 | faheem | though it should mount |
| 23:55.27 | terminator | I have tried every possible options that is available and I still not get this fixed http://pastebin.com/acgMh8He |
| 23:55.29 | ehnde | i've got 6gb of memory, but top is only showing 5099616k. any idea why? seems i'm roughly 1gb short |
| 23:55.58 | ehnde | MemTotal: 5099616 kB |
| 23:56.07 | lotus-blade | it says it can not mout the disk and I an not get all of the moduals I need to install over the net. |
| 23:56.35 | faheem | lotus-blade: you could do an install using the first disk |
| 23:56.51 | faheem | though not sure what your problem is with the netinst |
| 23:56.54 | lotus-blade | that is what I am burning now |
| 23:57.11 | lotus-blade | is having 2 cpu's a problem also? |
| 23:57.30 | faheem | lotus-blade: no |
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| 23:57.42 | faheem | lotus-blade: you've installed debian before? |
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| 23:58.45 | lotus-blade | yes, but this is this is the first time on a server |
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| 23:59.19 | babilen | terminator: and you installed apache2.2-common? Is the prerm script still struggling with "a2dismod: No such file â¦" ? |
