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| 00:05.07 | Tekk_ | is there any way you can check what kind of RAM you have from the terminal in squeeze? |
| 00:06.04 | nevyn | dmidecode? |
| 00:06.15 | hidensoft | i have download the one debian testing dvd , but there is wrong sha1 :( i can do anything to fix this problem ? |
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| 00:06.51 | corecode | download again? |
| 00:06.59 | corecode | find a rsync server |
| 00:07.08 | nevyn | bittorrent ? |
| 00:07.16 | nevyn | rsync server even better. |
| 00:07.57 | jchaves | Hi everybody; Im having some trouble with the speakers on my laptop to work. I can hear through headphones, but not through the computer speakers. This only happens on recent kernels... |
| 00:08.23 | bze | i bet your speakers are busted |
| 00:08.41 | trebuchet | Does CoreBoot support GPT |
| 00:08.53 | jchaves | If i boot into a 2.6.30 kernel, it works perfectly. On 2.6.32, this strange thing happens |
| 00:08.59 | bze | although that would indicate the speakers had worked before |
| 00:09.05 | jchaves | any idea? |
| 00:09.25 | bze | sorry no dice here, that's some weird stuff |
| 00:09.25 | corecode | jchaves: HDA? |
| 00:09.40 | jchaves | yep, some intel integrated chipset |
| 00:10.13 | corecode | what's on alsamixer? |
| 00:10.48 | nevyn | jchaves: check if there's a control for "external amplifier" in alsamixer. ensure it's on. |
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| 00:12.41 | jchaves | I dont see anything unusual on alsamixer.... anyway, everything is un-muted |
| 00:13.57 | jchaves | I have read about a lot of people having similar problems on google, ubuntu-forums, even on a fedora mailing list. Nothing I found has worked, so far. |
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| 00:14.37 | jchaves | It's just weird, that it just happens on newer kernels.... isn't it? |
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| 00:15.46 | jchaves | can i provide any aditional info? whatever you think that would help, just tell me |
| 00:16.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | So as far as I can see if I want to try out sid, I need to install stable and then just change the sources.list to the sid repo and update from that? |
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| 00:20.13 | qq- | !sid |
| 00:20.14 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 00:21.48 | corecode | jchaves: i usually poke in the kernel until it works, but that's probably not a very helpful advice |
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| 00:25.09 | cast | hmm, now does one tell what driver X is using? |
| 00:25.29 | nevyn | read the log? |
| 00:25.33 | cast | looking at the log X loads a few things, ati, radeon, vesa |
| 00:25.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | So is that correct in how to get sid installed? |
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| 00:25.52 | cast | its really obvious which one ended up getting used |
| 00:25.59 | cast | is there a specific line i'm after? |
| 00:26.11 | nevyn | it should be really obvious |
| 00:26.15 | cast | i might have missed it in the 1280 lines of my log |
| 00:27.02 | cast | loaded fbdev, too |
| 00:28.24 | cast | there are a lot of lines prefixed with RADEON, including a list of supported devices, and one saying "GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS" |
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| 00:30.06 | cast | i guess its using the radeon driving, with things disabled "(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled" "(WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled" |
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| 00:32.59 | nevyn | cast: there's a huge section that starts (II) Somedriver(0) |
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| 00:39.18 | cast | ahhh, |
| 00:39.52 | cast | i think i might have sorted out my X woes |
| 00:40.07 | cast | though installed the firmware-linux package in the process :( |
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| 00:42.03 | Nai-ux | i have a kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 in squeeze and trying to find headers for it, in apt i see 2.6.32-5-amd64, will that do? |
| 00:42.04 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:42.17 | ZenWalker | there are some gui for blazebogger or nanoblogger ? |
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| 00:43.07 | phuzion | Anyone know where I can get the package equivalent to mysql-devel? |
| 00:43.45 | dvs | Nai-ux: get the 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel instead |
| 00:46.38 | cast | what does trunk mean? |
| 00:47.50 | dvs | cast: it is a prerelease version of the kernel |
| 00:48.00 | Nai-ux | dvs: i can't, it has something that makes my graphics work on laptop. otherwise i would be using lenny |
| 00:48.04 | dvs | cast: it's never meant to be officially released |
| 00:48.22 | cast | from debian or from linus? |
| 00:48.55 | dvs | Nai-ux: It's either get the -5 kernel or compile your own if you want the header files |
| 00:49.16 | dvs | cast: the Debian developers are still "perfecting" it. |
| 00:49.39 | cast | ahh |
| 00:51.19 | hochron | !ssb |
| 00:51.19 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:51.44 | Nai-ux | dvs: ok thx |
| 00:51.53 | dvs | np |
| 00:52.15 | jchaves | well... so... anyone has some idea on where should I look, with this weird speaker stuff? |
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| 01:05.38 | hochron | I am running lenny, not sid! do I still follow those ssb instructions? |
| 01:06.13 | hochron | ,versions uif2iso |
| 01:06.14 | judd | Package uif2iso on i386 -- sid: 0.1.7a-1; squeeze: 0.1.7a-1 |
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| 01:08.23 | et | hochron: the ssb instructions are not meant for someone using sid ... |
| 01:08.45 | et | hochron: that's why it tells you to put sid into the deb-src line ONLY. |
| 01:10.05 | hochron | ok |
| 01:11.38 | hochron | like this? deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free?? |
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| 01:12.08 | MJennings | is there a way to find out what program is using disk? |
| 01:12.09 | hochron | whats bdo?\ |
| 01:13.13 | rww | hochron: backports.debian.org |
| 01:13.29 | cast | MJennings: there will be |
| 01:13.57 | amphi | MJennings: iotop mey be what you want |
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| 01:16.20 | ShexNivis | My wireless device is supported by wl and by bc43 any suggestions on which should I pick? |
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| 01:17.14 | dvs | ShexNivis: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 01:19.24 | ShexNivis | dvs: thats where I saw that my device is supported by both. I would like to know if anyone could advice me on which to pick |
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| 01:19.40 | amphi | try both |
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| 01:20.12 | pigdude | Anyone else notice that the iceweasel adblock package in lenny doesn't block ads? |
| 01:20.22 | pigdude | Is there any way to install the latest version of adblock? |
| 01:20.24 | dvs | ShexNivis: wl worked for me. |
| 01:20.37 | pigdude | Seeing that it won't install on rebranded firefox |
| 01:20.43 | pigdude | that being iceweasel |
| 01:20.54 | MJennings | amphi: is there another app? i don't have a supported kernel and can't reboot for a couple days |
| 01:21.09 | ShexNivis | dvs: mind telling what is your device? |
| 01:21.12 | amphi | not that I know of |
| 01:21.38 | dvs | ShexNivis: used to be an HP Mini 1033cl |
| 01:22.42 | ShexNivis | oh |
| 01:22.54 | ShexNivis | will try both and see what happens |
| 01:23.25 | hochron | can someone tell me why this ssb attempt failed http://pastebin.com/x6ibzDKZ |
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| 01:30.39 | pigdude | wonders |
| 01:31.50 | hochron | what is the difference between hit and ign in aptitude update |
| 01:31.53 | hochron | ? |
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| 01:32.20 | qq- | ign is ignore |
| 01:33.09 | qq- | used when sources don't changed from last update |
| 01:33.11 | hochron | so how do I change the ign's to hit's? |
| 01:33.19 | hochron | ohh |
| 01:34.27 | hochron | hmmmm |
| 01:38.14 | hochron | so how do I add /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_sid-backports_main_source_Sources |
| 01:38.30 | hochron | jus create an empty file? |
| 01:38.47 | qq- | _sid-backports ? doesn't exist |
| 01:39.09 | hochron | hmmm |
| 01:39.12 | hochron | !ssb |
| 01:39.12 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 01:39.12 | qq- | only lenny has -backports |
| 01:39.45 | dvs | backport from what to sid?!? |
| 01:40.18 | hochron | ok so what should 1 look like 'deb-src' what? |
| 01:41.32 | qq- | add > deb-src http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ sid main |
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| 01:49.02 | hochron | how do you install a deb? |
| 01:49.09 | Pryon | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:49.09 | dpkg | installs foo.deb into pryon's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 01:49.13 | lost_soul | dpkg |
| 01:49.16 | Pryon | zomg |
| 01:49.21 | hochron | lol thanks |
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| 02:06.00 | darkkrai | how do I install the nvidia gfx card drivers on debian lenny? I have a 7600 gt gfx card, about 4 years old |
| 02:10.56 | darkkrai | nvm |
| 02:11.16 | darkkrai | got it :D |
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| 02:12.33 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 02:53.53 | dokma | hey guyz.... how can I detect if some of the many spawned apache processes is trying to connect to some ip on the port 9000 ??? |
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| 02:54.59 | Nai-ux | netstat -an |grep ESTAB |grep 9000 |
| 02:55.22 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/stable/ubuntu/ intrepid main" should i be listening to that page? |
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| 02:56.33 | fishcooker | how to make serial mouse to work without reboot |
| 02:56.35 | fishcooker | ? |
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| 03:00.12 | amphi | maybe remove and re-modprobe the serial module[s]? |
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| 03:02.53 | HTT-Bird | hey folks...where should I go hunting for a .deb for Python 2.7? |
| 03:04.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions python |
| 03:04.37 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1; experimental: 2.6.6-5 |
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| 03:05.29 | HTT-Bird | jpinx-eeepc, yeah, :( 2.7 isn't in the official repos yet. |
| 03:05.47 | jpinx-eeepc | not even experimental |
| 03:12.12 | nsadmin | why does the version of the language matter that much? |
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| 03:19.46 | iluminator101 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 03:19.46 | iluminator101 | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 03:20.22 | iluminator101 | ??? |
| 03:20.45 | iluminator101 | can someone tell me why i am getting this error |
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| 03:47.56 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 03:48.07 | man_in_shack | is there a way to get iceweasel to print in a4 instead of letter? |
| 03:54.43 | roe | what is the name of the bug reporting tool for debian? |
| 03:56.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !bts |
| 03:56.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 03:56.10 | firespeaker | if I have modules loaded from my initrd for my ide controller and for the file system, is that enough to get the root file system mounted, or do I need something else? |
| 03:56.20 | jpinx-eeepc | roe: ^^ |
| 03:56.38 | roe | jpinx-eeepc, thans |
| 03:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | man_in_shack: that's a function of your printer setup |
| 03:58.25 | man_in_shack | jpinx-eeepc, no, it's not |
| 03:58.28 | man_in_shack | it should be, but it's not |
| 03:58.42 | jpinx-eeepc | man_in_shack: beats me then ;) |
| 03:58.44 | man_in_shack | jpinx-eeepc, iceweasel is stuck on "US Letter" |
| 03:59.20 | man_in_shack | file => print => page setup => paper size: "US Letter" and the combo box is not editable |
| 03:59.57 | jpinx-eeepc | man_in_shack: I don't use iceweasel, so I can't compare - sorry |
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| 04:01.38 | linucks | Hi, how do I disable the nouveau drivers in debian squeeze/sid? |
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| 04:01.56 | man_in_shack | there are nouveau drivers in debian? |
| 04:02.07 | linucks | in squeeze/sid there is. |
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| 04:03.39 | linucks | Can anyone help? I have tried adding blacklist nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and rdblacklist=nouveau to my kernel line but they're still operational. |
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| 04:05.34 | somiaj | linucks: I did hear someone used a hackish fix -- just rename the module then it just errors when it tries to load it -- though blacklist should work..:/ |
| 04:05.52 | man_in_shack | oh wtf |
| 04:06.02 | linucks | Hah that is a bit of a hack, I may have to try that... It's really weird that the blacklist isn't working. |
| 04:06.32 | man_in_shack | the reason why the "page setup" tab in print is locked to a particular page size is because firefox/iceweasel has its OWN page setup dialog |
| 04:06.39 | man_in_shack | that give you craploads fewer options |
| 04:06.45 | man_in_shack | how f**ing smart is that? |
| 04:07.12 | somiaj | linucks: their choice was callit noworkie.ko |
| 04:07.40 | linucks | somiaj: Hah, I like it. |
| 04:07.57 | Nai-ux | i aborted something when installing and my debian isn't happy, when i use apt it wants to configure a kernel that i do not want to install, how can i get rid of items out of the apt todo list |
| 04:08.14 | somiaj | Nai-ux: yes, use dpkg |
| 04:08.30 | man_in_shack | aptitude may also help |
| 04:08.30 | somiaj | Nai-ux: just remove the things you don't want there |
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| 04:09.25 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, sry about the delay, but I work on a project that uses collections.OrderedDict |
| 04:10.05 | linucks | somiaj: Hmm that worked, the module is called nouveau_drv, I wonder if I need to put that instead of just 'nouveau' in the blacklist... |
| 04:10.49 | somiaj | linucks: probabaly need the correct name |
| 04:10.56 | Nai-ux | somiaj: i think i borked it, removing files that were locked instead of lock files |
| 04:11.03 | Nai-ux | since i killed the apt when it wouldn't let me exit the ncurses |
| 04:11.19 | linucks | somiaj: yeah, it's just 'nouveau' on most distros but I guess debian have done it differently. |
| 04:11.23 | somiaj | Nai-ux: well if you killed it at the wrong tie you could have an unfunctional system that takes a bit |
| 04:11.48 | somiaj | Nai-ux: but if its just a matter of having to remove some packages then use apt/aptitude to fix it, dpkg should be able to do that |
| 04:12.46 | linucks | Another thing someone might be able to help with is installing the kernel source on squeeze/sid, I have searched but can't find the source for my kernel (2.6.32-5-amd64) in the repos, is that normal? |
| 04:13.18 | linucks | installs the generic one to see how that goes |
| 04:13.58 | linucks | mmm that's no good.. |
| 04:14.14 | Nai-ux | somiaj: i dont have time to fix it, im going to restore it from .lzo while i do something else, no changes made except bad ones since restoring earlier today anyway |
| 04:14.34 | somiaj | Nai-ux: then do that, (: |
| 04:15.01 | somiaj | linucks: do you have a deb-src repo in your sources.list |
| 04:15.15 | linucks | somiaj: Good point, checking ... |
| 04:15.17 | somiaj | linucks: make sure you look up how to build kernels the debian way (make-kpkg is the command kernel-package is the package) |
| 04:15.33 | somiaj | linucks: I personally just build vanilla kernels from kernel.org but always the debian way into a kernel package |
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| 04:16.07 | linucks | somiaj: Ahh yeah, hm well I do appear to have the deb-src lines for squeeze main... Should be in there though shouldn't it? |
| 04:16.34 | somiaj | linucks: the source won't have its own package, then its just apt-get source (or aptitude source for people who use better tools than I) |
| 04:16.58 | somiaj | linucks: it will put the src and all packages into what ever dir your in, and you don't have to be root to do this if you have write primisons |
| 04:17.15 | somiaj | linucks: you may want to apt-get install kernel-package and apt-get build-dep linux-image-foo |
| 04:17.22 | linucks | somiaj: Ahh right... I get you now, so I just need to find what the kernel package name I am using is and apt-get source it. |
| 04:17.35 | linucks | Got you. Thanks. |
| 04:17.54 | xyan | apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 04:18.01 | somiaj | linucks: and of course if your leanring, please learn aptitude, I'm just outdated and don't relearn things |
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| 04:18.37 | linucks | Yeah, hmm well the kernel package I'm using cannot be found.. |
| 04:18.43 | linucks | that's kind of strange, it was just a net install. |
| 04:18.57 | somiaj | do an aptitude-search |
| 04:19.15 | somiaj | the image you got fromt he testing installer may not be the current one in testing |
| 04:19.17 | linucks | somiaj: Yep, found it thanks lol. |
| 04:19.46 | linucks | linux-headers-`uname-r` did it. |
| 04:20.01 | somiaj | the headers wno't be the source though |
| 04:20.01 | linucks | shakes his head trying to remember why he didn't try that before. |
| 04:20.11 | linucks | Yeah, I only need the headers, my mistake xD |
| 04:20.32 | somiaj | oh I thought you were wanting to roll your own kernel -- not just compile stuff against it |
| 04:20.36 | somiaj | my bad |
| 04:20.55 | linucks | Yeah, no it was my fault for not explaining. Thanks for the help either way, I have what I wanted now! |
| 04:21.18 | somiaj | linucks: packages.debian.org/packagename is a good search engine too |
| 04:21.25 | linucks | AH thanks. |
| 04:21.27 | linucks | Ah* |
| 04:21.52 | somiaj | linucks: for example I was able to find out the actual source name for the package is linux-latest-2.6 |
| 04:21.59 | somiaj | if you wanted the actual kernel source to roll y our own kenrel |
| 04:22.10 | linucks | Ahhh cool. |
| 04:22.25 | linucks | I might end up doing that anyway at some point, but yeah, will make sure I do it the debian way. |
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| 04:44.15 | niklaswe | hello |
| 04:45.45 | blocktree | hello |
| 04:46.03 | niklaswe | how are you ? |
| 04:46.12 | blocktree | great and you? |
| 04:47.07 | niklaswe | blocktree: it´s okey.. it´s execpt the latency i have on my internet when i sitting on the train :P |
| 04:48.15 | niklaswe | so what are you doing blocktree...? just wake up or? |
| 04:49.28 | blocktree | niklaswe: :-) I just joined in...no its almost 4PM... just browsing net looking for answres..you? |
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| 04:52.09 | niklaswe | blocktree: oh where are you from then? US or..? aha.. here in sweden is the clock 07.00 am |
| 04:52.51 | blocktree | niklaswe: australia... going to work or school? or you have a day off? :-) |
| 04:53.53 | niklaswe | blocktree: ah nice.. will travel to australia :D going to work. |
| 04:56.07 | blocktree | niklaswe: australia is great...when you come it is hard to leave...:-) |
| 04:57.33 | niklaswe | blocktree: hehe yeah i think it is so. a friend to me went to australia for 6 month ago, and it looks that he will stay there now :P |
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| 04:58.59 | blocktree | niklaswe: that happend to me too..I came for 1 year to study english 9 years ago :-)) |
| 04:59.41 | niklaswe | hoho :D |
| 04:59.43 | blocktree | niklaswe: the only problem is that it is too far form everywhere.. |
| 05:00.14 | niklaswe | hmm thats true :P |
| 05:00.47 | niklaswe | must turn of the computer now, will be online about 30 min |
| 05:00.58 | niklaswe | blocktree: see you later man |
| 05:01.19 | blocktree | niklaswe: see you dude..take care.. |
| 05:03.07 | linucks | That's interesting, Debian Squeeze has the Ubuntu Software Center front-end for Synaptic installed by default. |
| 05:03.41 | Nai-ux | when donig sftp with sshd should another port open? i can connect with linux system but not windows sftp client |
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| 05:08.47 | blocktree | Nai-ux: is it possible that the port is blocked by your windows system? |
| 05:08.55 | Nai-ux | blocktree: no |
| 05:09.07 | Nai-ux | scanning the server only :22 is open |
| 05:09.23 | Nai-ux | am i supposed to see :115 ? |
| 05:09.44 | blocktree | Nai-ux: yes...cat /etc/services | grep sftp |
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| 05:09.57 | elliott | Is there a shorter way of writing *this* monstrosity? |
| 05:09.59 | elliott | for pkg in $(aptitude search . | awk '{if ($2 == "A") { print $3 } else { print $2 }}'); do (aptitude show $pkg | grep -c '^Conflicts:' >/dev/null) && echo $pkg; done |
| 05:10.03 | elliott | i.e. print out all packages that have conflicts. |
| 05:12.33 | Nai-ux | blocktree: do you know how to get it listening? i have enabled in sshd_config and restarted service |
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| 05:13.27 | blocktree | elliott: does not aptitude search . show all packages .. dont you want just installed packages? |
| 05:13.33 | elliott | blocktree: No. No I don't. |
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| 05:13.39 | elliott | blocktree: I want to list every package in Debian that has conflicts. |
| 05:13.52 | elliott | And yes, to preëmpt the question, I am quite insane. |
| 05:14.46 | nevyn | what is the purpose of listing such packages? |
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| 05:14.59 | blocktree | Nai-ux: not from top of my head I would need some time.. |
| 05:15.12 | elliott | nevyn: Are you *sure* you want to know? Because it's really, really awful. |
| 05:15.18 | elliott | nevyn: And perverse. |
| 05:15.26 | nevyn | ok tell me. |
| 05:15.34 | Nai-ux | blocktree: nevermind, i have read about 10 tutorials out there and they do not say |
| 05:15.52 | Nai-ux | i can connect from a linux system but not windows system |
| 05:16.14 | elliott | nevyn: I'm trying to recreate something I read on the web -- since I can't find it again -- where an insane, insane man found the largest set of installable Debian packages. That is: No package could be added to it, as that would cause a conflict, and it was the largest such set. |
| 05:16.30 | elliott | nevyn: This is but the first step in this utterly demented investigation. |
| 05:18.57 | blocktree | Nai-ux: what client you use on the windows side? |
| 05:19.10 | Nai-ux | blocktree: fileZilla |
| 05:19.47 | manu_hack | hi, i have an external harddisk, but whenever i move files from the external hdd to my harddisk, the mod will be a+x, I know I can run chmod a-x for every file i mv but is there a better solution? |
| 05:19.51 | blocktree | Nai-ux: anyway how come that it works form linux and ye you do not see it lisstenning on port 115? Are you connectin port 22? |
| 05:20.20 | rww | elliott: do you plan on installing this monstrosity? |
| 05:20.33 | rww | because I'd be vaguely interested in how many hours that takes to boot :\ |
| 05:20.46 | elliott | rww: If and only if I can either find the crazy network pipe or the endless swathes of overnight downloading time to do it. |
| 05:21.00 | elliott | rww: Also: if apt can handle working out this mess. |
| 05:21.08 | elliott | rww: Hell, even once it's booted, imagine the menu. |
| 05:21.18 | elliott | (If it even *has* a menu -- it's the largest set, not the largest useful set.) |
| 05:21.38 | Nai-ux | blocktree: when using sftp from linux the default port is 22 since it uses ssh, i think i figured it out, the user account is broken somehow and it drops connection |
| 05:22.07 | Nai-ux | blocktree: when i was configuring the chroot i may have broken the user |
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| 05:23.27 | Nai-ux | blocktree: fixed it, thanks |
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| 05:25.35 | blocktree | Nai-ux: what wos the problem? |
| 05:26.13 | blocktree | Nai-ux: ok...got it... |
| 05:26.46 | blocktree | manu_hack: are you talking about umask? |
| 05:27.48 | Nai-ux | blocktree: user was broken, i managed to connect via port 22 with another user |
| 05:29.08 | elliott | rww: ...problem is, I have a feeling that figuring out these sets is NP-hard. |
| 05:29.50 | fishcooker | what's the benefit core i3 to the gnu/linux?! |
| 05:30.04 | fishcooker | is there any significant than core 2 duo |
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| 05:30.55 | pepsi | is 5.0.6 lenny? whats testing and unstable? |
| 05:31.13 | rww | pepsi: yes, squeeze, and sid, respectively |
| 05:31.41 | pepsi | ok, so if i want firmware for my usb wifi thing, do i want stuff from lenny? |
| 05:31.58 | rww | pepsi: if you're on 5.0.6, yes. |
| 05:32.07 | pepsi | ok |
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| 05:32.42 | pepsi | is lenny what i want to use? i dont want really old packages, but i dont want stuff to be broken, either :/ |
| 05:33.29 | elliott | peper: personal opinion -- stable can be quite out of date. i'd use it for a server, but for a desktop machine, testing (which is "squeeze" right now) is great; it's very stable but it tends to be a lot more up-to-date |
| 05:33.37 | elliott | your mileage may vary, if it breaks don't come crying to me, etc. :P |
| 05:33.44 | rww | I agree with this ^^ |
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| 05:34.00 | Nai-ux | :)) |
| 05:34.10 | rww | although I'm probably going to settle down on squeeze once it becomes stable. |
| 05:34.14 | pepsi | im guessing its easy enough to switch over to testing after i install it? |
| 05:34.27 | Nai-ux | hugs his lenny(s) |
| 05:34.33 | elliott | peper: yeah. you can install directly to testing, but you might as well install stable |
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| 05:34.49 | elliott | rww: bah, stability is for losers! don't you just love that post-freeze deluge of breakage? |
| 05:34.58 | elliott | post-thaw, i should say |
| 05:35.01 | pepsi | and.. i think i understand the difference between testing and the name that goes with it.. sid is always unstable, and the name for testing is the name of the next stable release? |
| 05:35.07 | elliott | peper: yep |
| 05:35.28 | pepsi | so i can set apt to squeeze and eventually itll be the same as the next stable release |
| 05:35.34 | rww | elliott: haha. I used Ubuntu pre-alpha releases for a while. got my fill of deluges of broken then ;) |
| 05:35.54 | rww | pepsi: yes |
| 05:36.01 | elliott | rww: it's Canonical: those bugs will be integrated into the for-pay Ubuntu One Features Collection in a few releases |
| 05:36.30 | pepsi | rww: one last thing.. switching between lenny and squeeze is just a matter of the apt config? |
| 05:36.46 | rww | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 05:36.46 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 05:37.09 | dancek | pepsi, note that it's very difficult to downgrade, e.g. squeeze->lenny |
| 05:37.46 | elliott | that dpkg output sure is terse :) |
| 05:37.53 | dancek | used unstable for many years without major problems |
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| 05:38.21 | pepsi | thanks guys |
| 05:38.27 | cast | unix like systems are pretty much always fixable |
| 05:39.22 | elliott | cast: except when you wipe out all the executables. |
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| 05:40.44 | spliffi | good morning |
| 05:41.28 | spliffi | let's say I've got two files in a folder "Sxyz" and "xyzE". Now I#d like to list only either files with a leading capital or with a tailing one. I thought I can use something like "ls -d *[a-z]" but then I get "xyzE" too :( Obvisiosly there is something like "ls *[[:upper:]]" but that's somehow different to things I'd read so far:) |
| 05:41.48 | spliffi | any idea how to describe that in a [a-zA-Z] manner? |
| 05:42.00 | spliffi | because I get no results :( |
| 05:43.39 | Nai-ux | not sure how to match any caps, but to match one cap you can do.. ls -1 *xyz* |grep ^S |
| 05:44.01 | dancek | spliffi, ls -d ([A-Z]*|*[A-Z]) maybe |
| 05:44.05 | Nai-ux | or ls -1 *xyz* |grep E$ |
| 05:44.21 | spliffi | yeah with grep ni prob but just ls would benice |
| 05:44.45 | cast | elliott: thats a one liner to fix, from your trusty debian-live! |
| 05:45.44 | crypted | can you not have same ports open to tcp and udp at same time? |
| 05:46.29 | crypted | id assume so, but iptables gives me bad arguments when it gets to ACCEPT policies for UDP ports and those UDP ports were already ACCEPT on tcp |
| 05:47.04 | elliott | cast: you also busted the BIOS |
| 05:47.09 | elliott | cast: trying to install coreboot |
| 05:47.11 | elliott | WHAT NOW |
| 05:47.21 | elliott | crypted: i do believe you can |
| 05:47.27 | elliott | crypted: no idea as for your iptables problem |
| 05:47.33 | crypted | no worries |
| 05:47.36 | crypted | just wondering |
| 05:47.38 | rww | awaits the next scenario, involving sledgehammers and/or defenestration |
| 05:47.40 | crypted | thought id turn to the great chan |
| 05:48.25 | spliffi | ls -d ([A-Z]*|*[A-Z]) doesn't work. it's complaining about the parentheses |
| 05:48.36 | elliott | rww: "what if you install the maximal set of non-conflicting packages and one of them happens to interact with another one in a way to cause a global thermonuclear war, WHAT THEN" |
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| 05:48.44 | elliott | *in such a way as to |
| 05:49.00 | spliffi | without them it doen't work either |
| 05:50.00 | erik-k | Got a debian-mips related question; I've got an SGI Indy (ip22) with an R5000 cpu. Should I use the r4k-ip22 or r5k-ip32 tftp boot image? |
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| 05:50.36 | peterrooney | elliott: i suppose you'd have a dependency problem, then. |
| 05:50.39 | peterrooney | !locusts |
| 05:50.40 | dpkg | dpkg: error processing package (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit 163: OH_GOD_THEYRE_INSIDE_MY_CLOTHES ( http://xkcd.com/797/ ) |
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| 05:50.51 | Nai-ux | i had to carry an indigo2 last week, heavy as **** |
| 05:52.01 | Nai-ux | erik-k: that is a good question, i would guess it depends on the other hardware configured in the boot image |
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| 05:52.29 | Nai-ux | if it was me i'd try the ip22 one first |
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| 05:53.00 | erik-k | doesn't have a HD for it yet, this is a trial run anyway |
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| 05:53.19 | Nai-ux | erik-k: why don't you keep irix on there? |
| 05:53.25 | fishcooker | apps alarm with popup on the screen? |
| 05:53.30 | fishcooker | for notification |
| 05:54.43 | erik-k | Nai-ux: Its HDD is DOA :/ |
| 05:55.17 | erik-k | Nai-ux: I've got the Irix 6.5 base but can't seem to find the 6.5.22 overlay that apparently renders it useful |
| 05:56.30 | Nai-ux | you need all 4 overlay disks or just the first one? |
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| 05:57.31 | Nai-ux | fishcooker: you could use xterm that runs a script (that flashes, or clears term and reprints), bash also has a dialog window system i dont remember what its called -you can ask in #bash |
| 05:57.58 | niklaswe | hmm now i need some coffee |
| 05:58.51 | erik-k | Nai-ux: Don't know. |
| 05:59.09 | erik-k | Nai-ux: Lemme see if this poor guy's network card still works first ;) |
| 05:59.49 | Nai-ux | ok np, come in #irix channel later if you decide to put irix back on |
| 06:00.17 | erik-k | Nai-ux: Not taking it off! the drive it has (labelled as 6.2 base) is DOA :) |
| 06:00.57 | Nai-ux | doa meaning broken? |
| 06:01.37 | erik-k | spins up but just makes repetitive seek noises, followed by "IO error" from the Indy |
| 06:01.44 | Nai-ux | aww |
| 06:01.53 | erik-k | ya :/ |
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| 06:02.20 | nsadmin | the drive was delivered that way? |
| 06:02.47 | erik-k | The Indy was sitting in a corridor and I asked if I could have it. Not exactly delivered :) |
| 06:03.23 | nsadmin | so, dead on arrival to your hands... sux... |
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| 06:03.32 | erik-k | Shame because 50pin SCSI disks are shockingly rare on ebay |
| 06:03.35 | Nai-ux | if u want to just run it as a server you might find the debian image that matches the cpu revision works better, if you want other hardware working like graphics board and sound you might want to try the ip22 with the lower cpu number than what you have. but i am just guessing as have not run linux on sgi |
| 06:04.06 | erik-k | Nai-ux: I'm angling for basic web/terminal + remote X |
| 06:04.20 | Nai-ux | erik-k: are you in australia by chance? |
| 06:04.27 | erik-k | US |
| 06:04.51 | erik-k | standby, switching this monitor to Indy input for test... |
| 06:05.04 | Nai-ux | reputable.com or unixhq.com may have a disk refurbished you can use. |
| 06:05.37 | erik-k | I've already bought a blank 4.3G disk off ebay... |
| 06:06.34 | Nai-ux | cant believe i thew out my E3500 |
| 06:11.16 | nsadmin | there' |
| 06:11.34 | nsadmin | s no 73g or 36g out there? |
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| 06:13.36 | niklaswe | hmm gaah iÇe got an blackout.. if i have a file with size 6GB and i have 3.GB left on the disc.. will it be compressed if i use gzip |
| 06:14.19 | Nai-ux | compressing isn't the best thing to do in a blackout, get the power back on is... |
| 06:14.46 | Nai-ux | you can look at man page for gzip to request it to compress maximum |
| 06:15.16 | erik-k | OY... is there a way to run a tftp server that doesn't involve inetd? |
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| 06:16.21 | Nai-ux | erik-k: tftp server for irix net boot will be probably the hardest thing u will ever do. look for a tutorial out there, you will need bootp and dhcp server, took me about 400 trips to the prom high lvl shell and a bunch of days |
| 06:17.00 | Nai-ux | niklaswe: you can use lzo with... tar -cf - PACK_THIS_DIR | lzop -9 > test_pipe_01.tar.lzo |
| 06:17.46 | Nai-ux | niklaswe: or lzma which takes longer but will pack it a bit better... tar -cf - PackThisDir | lzma -9 > test_pipe_01.tar.lzma |
| 06:18.29 | Nai-ux | you can restore with something like.. lzma -d --stdout bin_lzma01.tar.lzma | tar xvf - |
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| 06:18.41 | erik-k | Nai-ux: I've gone through a few. Hopefully I'll have a shorter experience... |
| 06:18.43 | MJennings | does anyone know why this would happen? i'm running five drives in a raid0.. using ext4. whenever i start writing like 100MB+, the transfer rate slows to like 200KB/s and cpu and hdds get maxed out |
| 06:19.10 | niklaswe | Nai-ux: i think a while how i will do :D |
| 06:19.15 | niklaswe | Nai-ux: ty man |
| 06:19.27 | Nai-ux | erik-k: there is a tool on debian to create a bootable sgi cd, if you have old scsi cdrom might be easier to just plug that into the indy |
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| 06:20.17 | erik-k | Nai-ux: About 3 months ago I took an x1 SCSI r/w drive apart for its laser diode... |
| 06:20.20 | erik-k | :( |
| 06:21.04 | Nai-ux | u gotta do what u gotta do :) |
| 06:22.46 | Nai-ux | niklaswe: the tar process i mentioned is mainly for directories. for single file you can probably just use gzip, lzop or lzma tools by itself |
| 06:23.55 | niklaswe | Nai-ux: yeah i know that, but the problem, was that i got an blackout :P |
| 06:25.21 | Dewi | niklaswe: what kind of data is it? |
| 06:25.41 | niklaswe | I was not sure if the disc should be empty on disc or not when i used gzip, but i cat file |gzip > /new/path/file.gz |
| 06:25.46 | niklaswe | Dewi: it was an database |
| 06:25.50 | Dewi | niklaswe: compressibility differs hugely, and expecting it to halve in size is very optimistic unless it's source code or something |
| 06:25.52 | niklaswe | so the problem i now fix |
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| 06:26.41 | Dewi | niklaswe: yeah that's the normal usage of gzip |
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| 06:31.01 | fishcooker | how to propose to be an official package?! |
| 06:32.22 | rww | dpkg: wnpp |
| 06:32.22 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 06:34.19 | niklaswe | Dewi: so what are you doing then? |
| 06:34.42 | Dewi | niklaswe: I don't understand |
| 06:35.37 | niklaswe | Dewi: what are you doing right now |
| 06:35.44 | Dewi | niklaswe: working |
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| 06:36.28 | niklaswe | ah |
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| 06:47.22 | erik-k | Well, I got tftpd to start. Now the Indy gives me an immediate "range check failure" on start... |
| 06:47.34 | erik-k | 7680+11338976\nCannot load bootp():.\nRange check failure: data start 0x89703e00, size 0xad04e0.\nData section would overwrite an already loaded program.\n Unable to execute bootp(): |
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| 06:52.00 | nike | Hi, this is the second time this has happened, but my mouse buttons have completely stopped working. |
| 06:52.10 | nike | I have 5 buttons on my thinkpad but they all are totally broken |
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| 06:52.22 | nike | It's a software error because this happened once before and I restarted gsm |
| 06:52.24 | nike | *gdm |
| 06:52.37 | nike | The rest of the computer, including moving the mouse cursor, seemingly works fine. |
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| 06:53.07 | x1250 | does anyone know a live log analizer? I think I'm imagining a tail -f with steroids. |
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| 06:57.13 | simonrvn | i don't know what an anal-izer is, sorry |
| 06:57.31 | x1250 | Maybe I just need a text editor. I just want to colorize, show hide parts, search, etc. |
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| 06:57.45 | pepsi | is it normal that i couldnt access the security repository? |
| 06:57.48 | pepsi | im installing 5.0.6 |
| 06:57.49 | x1250 | I mean a tool to help one analize |
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| 06:58.57 | simonrvn | analyze logs? i see |
| 06:59.19 | SPF | x1250: you can use sed to change some texts in colored texts maybe |
| 06:59.56 | x1250 | SPF, interesting, bettern than a grep, thanks! |
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| 07:01.12 | simonrvn | best log analyser is your brain ;) |
| 07:01.32 | simonrvn | help doesn't hurt |
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| 07:02.12 | MJennings | anyone know my answer? |
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| 07:02.59 | simonrvn | not having seen the question, nope. |
| 07:03.09 | MJennings | does anyone know why this would happen? i'm running five drives in a raid0.. using ext4. whenever i start writing like 100MB+, the transfer rate slows to like 200KB/s and cpu and hdds get maxed out |
| 07:04.23 | simonrvn | i/o? some bus bottleneck? start digging |
| 07:05.33 | MJennings | well according to dd, the read speed is around 70MB/s, GB's of data can be read without the hdd/cpu being maxed out, it only happens on write |
| 07:05.39 | MJennings | wouldn't that be a file system problem of some type? |
| 07:05.48 | Dewi | MJennings: are you sure it's RAID0 and not RAID5? |
| 07:05.55 | MJennings | it's raid0 with mdadm |
| 07:06.53 | Dewi | MJennings: sounds... broken |
| 07:07.02 | MJennings | the raid? or fs |
| 07:07.29 | Dewi | MJennings: possibly the controllers/your mobo |
| 07:07.52 | Dewi | MJennings: like maybe you have too many on one controller? |
| 07:08.11 | jelly-home | MJennings: could be anything really, including misconfiguration and kernel bugs |
| 07:08.20 | MJennings | Dewi: ok. i am waiting for the datacenter to check over hardware. this problem only started happening within the last 2 weeks, has been fine for months |
| 07:09.35 | Dewi | MJennings: oh, then I guess it's a strange bug or hardware is failing |
| 07:09.50 | Dewi | MJennings: or it could be massively fragmented? |
| 07:10.21 | Dewi | MJennings: you have RAID with no redundancy in a data centre? |
| 07:11.09 | Dewi | (can mdadm do RAID10 these days? I'm not even sure it can) |
| 07:12.25 | MJennings | it said 10% non-contigous when i ran fsck today. and yes i have no redundancy, maximum space is needed as the data is mirrored on a second server anyway (also running same raid setup) |
| 07:14.34 | MJennings | i'm pretty sure i have a raid10 mdadm setup on another server which is unrelated to this project |
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| 07:29.38 | jetole | Hey guys. Does anyone know if there is a way I can "preseed" a particular package when I am installing it? Kinda like what we do with preseeding but to use those same values to install a package on a already setup system and therefor skip the part where it asks us all the configuration questions when we set it up? |
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| 07:34.21 | flaarg | hi when I start a screen session inside x, detach screen, restart xsession, I cannot run applications that require access to the display without using xhost |
| 07:34.31 | flaarg | this is a new behavior |
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| 07:37.35 | flaarg | let me rephrase that, if I start a screen inside x, detach screen, restart x, reattach screen, I cannot run programs in that screen that require display without xhost +username@localhost |
| 07:38.04 | flaarg | like xclock |
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| 07:41.21 | DimmuR | Hello everyone. When i run apt-file update i get messages like: http://wklej.to/5jnH - but when i copy link and use wget on it - it downloads. What can i do to make apt-file work? |
| 07:41.32 | cornelinux | I am using apt-ftparchive. I got all packages with one pool directory structure. How can I distinguish between distirbution to put some in dists/A/../Packages and others in dists/B/../Packages? |
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| 07:42.48 | awk | hi, hmm apt-get install courier-imap-ssl how can I run this without it wanting to install dependencies like exim, etc. I am using another MTA and want to install courier-imap without it install exim ? |
| 07:43.18 | cornelinux | Hi DimmuR, could it be there is a proxy involved that makes the difference between curl and wgetà |
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| 07:44.46 | DimmuR | LOL you were right - i had proxy in apt.conf but apt-get dist-upgrade works perfectly |
| 07:45.18 | Dewi | flaarg: you probably started your screen from a different environment |
| 07:45.31 | Dewi | flaarg: each new window inherits from the environment that originally started screen |
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| 07:46.15 | Dewi | flaarg: I work around it by using an alias that stores $DISPLAY into a file where I can load it if I need it |
| 07:48.17 | flaarg | what do you mean by a different environment? |
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| 07:51.29 | Dewi | flaarg: different enough to break X |
| 07:51.56 | flaarg | its not X that is breaking, X isn't letting applications in a screen session run on localhost access display on localhost |
| 07:52.00 | flaarg | on localhost |
| 07:52.23 | flaarg | I mean I think I fixed it by adding xhost +flaarg@localhost in ~/.profile |
| 07:52.25 | Dewi | like a MIT MAGIC COOKIE error? |
| 07:52.43 | flaarg | its just that this didn't start happening until a couple weeks ago |
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| 07:55.31 | flaarg | the error is the standard No protocol specified / Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 07:56.10 | jelly-home | flaarg: which debian release? What are the values of DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY env. variables _outside_ screen, where X stuff works? |
| 07:57.04 | flaarg | DISPLAY = :0.0 XAUTHORITY = /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-flaarg-W4Ez3v/database |
| 07:57.08 | flaarg | this is on testing |
| 07:57.18 | Dewi | flaarg: is :0.0 the correct ssetting? |
| 07:57.22 | flaarg | yes |
| 07:57.32 | jelly-home | flaarg: if you set the very same XAUTHORITY inside screen, things ought to work better |
| 07:57.33 | Dewi | flaarg: you must have started screen with something else |
| 07:57.55 | flaarg | I think what is happening is the XAUTHORITY changes |
| 07:57.59 | jelly-home | flaarg: consider filing a bug on gdm3 for breaking your assumptions |
| 07:58.11 | flaarg | yes XAUTHORITY is different in screen |
| 07:58.13 | Dewi | jelly-home: it's probably by design, for security |
| 07:58.22 | jelly-home | Dewi: it's a bloody bug. |
| 07:58.23 | flaarg | I understand it as security |
| 07:58.38 | Dewi | jelly-home: how so? |
| 07:58.50 | flaarg | it has a new folder for XAUTHORITY everytime you restart gdm3 |
| 07:58.51 | jelly-home | Dewi: it breaks other applications. |
| 07:59.00 | Dewi | jelly-home: wouldn't it be a bug if a user couldn't run more than one instance? |
| 07:59.02 | flaarg | but to fix it I have to lower security |
| 07:59.14 | jelly-home | Dewi: one instance of what? |
| 07:59.19 | Dewi | jelly-home: gdm3 |
| 07:59.41 | jelly-home | Dewi: user need not run gdm at all, it's a system service |
| 07:59.45 | Dewi | shrug. I don't use it. |
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| 08:00.19 | flaarg | I am about to stop using it |
| 08:01.16 | flaarg | actually I might just switch to gdm over gdm3 |
| 08:02.09 | simonrvn | made a script to 'fix' this semi-automatically... |
| 08:02.40 | Dewi | flaarg: It's possible you can configure the xauthority database to be stored in a stable location, too |
| 08:02.51 | flaarg | meh its easier to just install gdm |
| 08:02.55 | flaarg | if that works im going to live with it |
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| 08:03.05 | flaarg | I see no reason to run gdm3 over gdm |
| 08:03.12 | flaarg | especially if gdm works |
| 08:03.16 | flaarg | thanks for the help |
| 08:03.19 | jelly-home | Dewi: all the other *dm don't mess with it at all after the user's session is started |
| 08:03.22 | simonrvn | you also have to set DBUS_ADDRESS too (in screen, as it only picks up the env vars it started with) |
| 08:03.43 | Dewi | jelly-home: this is between sessions tho |
| 08:03.54 | simonrvn | i'm sure he's aware |
| 08:04.19 | jelly-home | Dewi: I mean, they wwuser the default place for XAUTHORITY and have no need to change it |
| 08:04.30 | jelly-home | s/wwuser/use/ |
| 08:05.44 | simonrvn | and it is for security, but is should be configurable (if it isn't) if you know what you're doing. |
| 08:05.48 | Dewi | somebody probably wanted to run >1 instance |
| 08:05.59 | Dewi | which also seems reasonable. People's needs differ |
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| 08:06.09 | simonrvn | then another socket for x is made by the other x server |
| 08:06.10 | jelly-home | simonrvn: how does setting custom xauth file help security? |
| 08:06.10 | flaarg | ok gdm works |
| 08:06.21 | simonrvn | jelly-home: it doesn't |
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| 08:06.31 | awk | hi, hmm apt-get install courier-imap-ssl how can I run this without it wanting to install dependencies like exim, etc. I am using another MTA and want to install courier-imap without it install exim ? |
| 08:06.41 | jelly-home | so... how in the hell can it be done for security reasons |
| 08:07.14 | simonrvn | jelly-home: what i meant was, if you understand the implications, and know you're way around, you should be able to set it differently (if you can't). |
| 08:07.26 | simonrvn | s,you,re,your, |
| 08:07.26 | jelly-home | gdm3 authors smoking crack is about the only explanation for needlessly breaking a well known assumption |
| 08:07.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:07.42 | Dewi | jelly-home: ... or wanting to run >1 instance |
| 08:07.51 | jelly-home | Dewi: an instance of what? |
| 08:07.54 | Dewi | gdm3 |
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| 08:07.55 | simonrvn | Dewi: setting it the same doesn't matter |
| 08:08.20 | Dewi | with different security contexts |
| 08:08.26 | Dewi | shrug |
| 08:08.35 | simonrvn | it's just for gdm3, doesn't matter to x |
| 08:08.39 | jelly-home | Dewi: gdm3 doesn't run under the user id, nor does it need to pass the very same temporary xauth file to the user |
| 08:08.40 | awk | grrr |
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| 08:09.02 | flaarg | simonrvn: yes it does, it breaks screen if you restart x for starting xapps inside that screen |
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| 08:09.28 | jelly-home | Dewi: I mean, gdm (2.x) does it properly |
| 08:09.32 | simonrvn | flaarg: yes i know, but i'm not discussing screen right now ;p. |
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| 08:12.00 | jelly-home | flaarg: well, up until this point you were just lucky you only ran X apps that only needed DISPLAY set. Some others would fail regardless of correct DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY, because they need need env.vars to connect to their dbus or gpg or ssh agent sockets |
| 08:12.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:13.18 | flaarg | jelly-home: true, but I really only wanted it for random scrotting |
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| 08:13.43 | jelly-home | in a sense, gdm3 just made you aware of the errors of your ways! |
| 08:14.18 | flaarg | having a 200MB directory full of screenshots is a bit wierd I will admit |
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| 08:16.45 | jelly-home | ,dbugs 586685 |
| 08:16.47 | jelly-home | !dbugs 586685 |
| 08:16.52 | dpkg | #586685:I[gdm3] gdm3: User's .Xauthority file is ignored (); Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:54:01 UTC [] |
| 08:17.15 | simonrvn | pats querybts |
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| 08:18.10 | jelly-home | flaarg: there's a workaround described, fwiw |
| 08:18.48 | flaarg | unless gdm3 has some significant advantage I see no reason to switch back. I can't even install a new theme easily with gdm3! |
| 08:18.49 | simonrvn | i'd use xauth instead of cat, but whatever |
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| 08:20.27 | jelly-home | but xauth nlist | XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority xauth nmerge - is so much longer |
| 08:20.40 | simonrvn | xauth extract - $somevalue | xauth -f $HOME/.Xauthority merge - (or such |
| 08:20.45 | simonrvn | ) |
| 08:20.51 | jelly-home | oh, there's a -f! |
| 08:21.20 | yang | I am constantly getting error "lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions" in dmesg, what could it mean ? |
| 08:21.28 | simonrvn | ignore it |
| 08:21.34 | yang | but why is it appearing ? |
| 08:21.38 | simonrvn | it's a warning, not an error |
| 08:22.10 | nsadmin | yang: what is lo? |
| 08:22.15 | simonrvn | because you don't need privacy extensions for ipv6 on lo |
| 08:22.27 | yang | ok |
| 08:22.31 | Dewi | nsadmin: localhost interface |
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| 08:22.38 | Xanbreon | Im trying to set up exim4 so that it sends external email, via gmail, I have done that, but its also sending local mail there as well, any tips how to fix this? |
| 08:23.18 | nsadmin | Dewi: umm, yes... I was going somewhere with that :) |
| 08:23.18 | Xanbreon | eg mail send to root@host is being sent there |
| 08:23.48 | nsadmin | yang: do you understand what that is? |
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| 08:24.12 | nsadmin | wait, constantly? |
| 08:24.13 | yang | sort of |
| 08:24.40 | nsadmin | it's flooding your dmesg? |
| 08:25.01 | simonrvn | for me it's at every boot, and once |
| 08:25.04 | yang | I think it appears every 5 or 10 min. |
| 08:25.17 | simonrvn | srsly? |
| 08:25.20 | yang | maybe radvd triggers it, on advertising (I don't know) |
| 08:25.39 | nsadmin | would be interesting to understand what's triggering it |
| 08:25.43 | yang | and something keeps freezing my machine at randomly, I cannot figure what it is |
| 08:25.55 | simonrvn | ah, could be |
| 08:26.06 | simonrvn | you'd need to figure out the timing for the lock-up |
| 08:26.41 | yang | i think adobe flash freezes it, becouse i somehow compiled it |
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| 08:27.07 | nsadmin | adobe flash is probably closed source |
| 08:27.18 | yang | but flash isn't ported to debian firefox or chromium |
| 08:27.20 | simonrvn | uh, i doubt you compiled it |
| 08:27.34 | simonrvn | unless it's like gnash/swfdec or such |
| 08:27.48 | yang | well, I was following some instructions to build it and use i386 version on amd64, maybe that was wrong |
| 08:27.53 | nsadmin | does debian have a firefox? |
| 08:28.02 | yang | nsadmin: its called iceweasel in debian |
| 08:28.03 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:28.45 | nsadmin | did netscape vacate their decision to deny debian using the name? |
| 08:28.50 | simonrvn | installs and updates his own |
| 08:29.02 | simonrvn | there was some movement on that front recently |
| 08:29.05 | yang | gnash wasn't good for youtube |
| 08:29.22 | Xanbreon | both chrome and iceweasel will grab plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 08:29.34 | nsadmin | yang: you probably installed it, or built a package of it |
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| 08:29.58 | nsadmin | iz krom gud? |
| 08:30.05 | simonrvn | s,netscape,mozilla, ;p |
| 08:30.12 | yang | yes, i was spotting these "nspluginwrapper" errors earlier |
| 08:30.31 | nsadmin | the company name is mozilla? |
| 08:30.53 | yang | nsadmin: mozilla makes firefox/iceweasel |
| 08:30.55 | Dewi | the mozilla foundation, I think |
| 08:30.55 | simonrvn | mozilla foundation inc. iirc |
| 08:30.59 | jpinx-eeepc | what does it mean when attempting to start screen in a chroot and it says "must be connected to a terminal" ? |
| 08:31.12 | Xanbreon | If you are using AMD64, grab the new flashplugin-nonfree from squeeze or dl there new 64bit preview from adobe |
| 08:31.23 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: devpts not set up? |
| 08:31.28 | jelly-home | nsadmin: netscape brand's been resold 2-3 times since mozilla foundation took over |
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| 08:31.38 | yang | Xanbreon: i think flashplugin-nonfree wasnt working well for me either |
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| 08:31.44 | jelly-home | (took over the browser) |
| 08:31.52 | yang | or maybe it wasn't built at that time, I can't recall |
| 08:31.54 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: Doh! just spotted that simonrvn - Thanks |
| 08:32.15 | simonrvn | np |
| 08:32.16 | Xanbreon | yang: works fine now, its been updated since adobe finally put about another 64bit linux plugin |
| 08:32.27 | yang | Xanbreon: since when is that ? |
| 08:33.01 | yang | Xanbreon: that is right, I remember it not to be availabel for 64bit, so I compiled a 32bit version (and obviously it doesn't work well for me) |
| 08:33.23 | Xanbreon | http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
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| 08:34.14 | yang | * Removed "64 bit player temporarily not supported". Closes: #586273. |
| 08:34.48 | yang | ok, nice I will try it |
| 08:34.51 | Xanbreon | =] |
| 08:35.33 | Xanbreon | oops |
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| 08:37.04 | Dewi | yang: yeah it took years and years, and the 32-bit bridge is pretty hacky |
| 08:37.41 | Xanbreon | Eats CPU and crashes even more than flash normally does |
| 08:37.53 | Dewi | yang: you probably still didn't "compile" flash itself, just strapped it to the 32-bit to 64-bit shim |
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| 08:43.24 | rysiek|pl | OHAI debian! |
| 08:43.38 | yang | Dewi: yes, soemthign like that |
| 08:44.04 | yang | however I replaced it with flashplugin-nonfree in squeeze and will see if it keeps crashing |
| 08:44.27 | Dewi | will probably be better |
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| 08:44.40 | rysiek|pl | when I connect my FAT formatted pendrive to my debian sid, I get a "helper failed" error. I am able to properly mount it manually, and it properly mount automagically on any other system (tested on Gentoo, Kubuntu) |
| 08:44.51 | rysiek|pl | google doesn't help much |
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| 08:45.18 | mashed | doesnt the flashplugin-nonfree package pull the version off the adobe website anyway? |
| 08:45.18 | Dewi | yang: flash is never really stable though. Fortunately chromium and firefox keep it isolated now |
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| 08:46.12 | themill | mashed: yes |
| 08:47.12 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: you are using an unstable distribution, it's probably a bug |
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| 08:47.20 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: is this in KDE? |
| 08:48.57 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: nope, GNOME |
| 08:49.27 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: aand in dmesg I get something about CDROM format (!) not being properlydiscovered |
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| 08:50.36 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: what's the full error messagE? |
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| 08:51.25 | ryan-c | so hey, how likely is a etch->squeeze dist-upgrade to work cleanly? |
| 08:52.14 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: gimme a sec |
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| 08:53.08 | mashed | ryan-c: great to experiment although i doubt it'd be clean. |
| 08:54.38 | ryan-c | Also, I replaced sysvinit with runit on that box because I'm a loon like that. |
| 08:54.47 | _snowball | I LOST THE GAME. |
| 08:54.51 | Dewi | ryan-c: etch->lenny is okay, but squeeze has some problem differences |
| 08:55.17 | ryan-c | looks at the squeeze installers |
| 08:55.31 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: http://wklej.org/id/408959/ |
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| 08:56.39 | ryan-c | so am i likely to have better luck PXE booting the squeeze installer and controlling it via serial console? |
| 08:56.48 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: does the disk have a partition table? |
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| 08:57.06 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: yes, and it properly mounts in any otehr system |
| 08:57.14 | Dewi | ryan-c: are you talking about a clean install now? |
| 08:57.25 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: even on this system, mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/sdb1 works like a charm |
| 08:57.32 | ryan-c | Dewi: Yes. |
| 08:57.59 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: so something's b0rked with - don't even know what, something between udev and GNOME |
| 08:58.27 | ryan-c | I'd have to PXE boot the installer and use the serial console though, which is moderately annoying at best. |
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| 08:58.46 | Dewi | ryan-c: debootstrap? |
| 08:58.57 | Dewi | ryan-c: I have no idea if that's more or less annoying tho; both are kind of bad |
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| 09:00.16 | ryan-c | Dewi: debootstrap is fine except for the part where I have to install a boot loader from another system using a chroot - it's a soekris system so my boot options are PXE, CF, or hard drive. |
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| 09:00.55 | ryan-c | there are netboot images for squeeze |
| 09:01.29 | ryan-c | heh |
| 09:02.02 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: any suggestions where should I start debugging? I looked into udev rules, nothing interesting there |
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| 09:02.18 | ryan-c | I just now am reminded by some pxe config files that at one point, I tried to get it to boot with an ATA-over-Ethernet device for the root filesystem. |
| 09:02.28 | frikinz | ryan-c: is this a x86? |
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| 09:02.52 | ryan-c | yeah, it's i586 - AMD Elan SC520 IIRC |
| 09:02.56 | reisio | what's the procedure to install Debian with the installer to the second of two disks, ensuring that the first disk is not touched at all? |
| 09:02.59 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: I dunno |
| 09:03.12 | ryan-c | frikinz: ^ |
| 09:03.41 | ryan-c | I can't recall why I might have thought that root on an aoe device was a good idea. |
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| 09:04.14 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: please disregard the whole problem. I just had a glimpse of my fstab... |
| 09:04.22 | rysiek|pl | Dewi: yeah, it was *that* dumb... |
| 09:04.27 | ryan-c | but hey, squeeze needs testing on weird hardware, right? |
| 09:04.58 | Dewi | rysiek|pl: hah. Well glad you found it |
| 09:05.12 | frikinz | ryan-c: well, so you don't need crosscompiling, quicker. Do the install on a PC on a harddisk partition and move all to the CF. or take a CF reader and do the upgrade in a chroot. with some magic, you can update grub too. |
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| 09:05.55 | frikinz | ryan-c: I am using sid on a similar box with 2.6.36 :) |
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| 09:06.11 | ryan-c | frikinz: Alix? |
| 09:06.17 | Dewi | ryan-c: people do install via serial, I just don't know the details |
| 09:06.33 | ryan-c | I've done serial installs in the past and have old configs |
| 09:06.34 | frikinz | ryan-c: geode lx 800, the same as in OLPC project |
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| 09:06.46 | frikinz | an etx format |
| 09:07.08 | ryan-c | actually, this one is a geode :p |
| 09:08.10 | ryan-c | but anyway, I can do the serial install, it's just a little annoying |
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| 09:08.12 | frikinz | ah :) But I also have sata connection and a good eval board so I installed directly from the netinst cdrom. Too easy. Some problems with irq and a few others but all is well. 256Mb |
| 09:08.29 | ealexp | hi |
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| 09:09.13 | ryan-c | it has a 44 pin ide connector, but the bios doesn't speak El Torito or even ATAPI, so no love there. |
| 09:09.49 | ealexp | do you know why there isn't any development package for apache2-mpm-itk, while there is one for apache2-mpm-prefork (apache2-prefork-dev) ? |
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| 09:12.29 | Dewi | ealexp: maybe it's build into apache |
| 09:13.08 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a simple hex-capable console based calculator which allows me to do things like: 0xff + 4 * 3 => 0x10b. Thanks |
| 09:13.29 | ryan-c | rudi_s: python works for that |
| 09:13.31 | rudi_s | (There's bc, but it looks like it can't handle multiple input "formats".) |
| 09:13.38 | Dewi | ealexp: oh, I didn't realize it was a non-included one |
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| 09:13.49 | rudi_s | ryan-c: How can I easily convert the output back to hex? |
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| 09:14.00 | ryan-c | rudi_s: printf |
| 09:14.15 | ealexp | ok Dewi |
| 09:14.23 | Dewi | ealexp: I guess nobody's made one yet |
| 09:14.25 | rudi_s | ryan-c: printf is not defined .. |
| 09:14.39 | ryan-c | whoops |
| 09:14.46 | ealexp | well ok Dewi |
| 09:14.49 | ealexp | thank you |
| 09:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | I have - for some reason I have no yet fathomed - 6 running ls instances all of which are hung, and they won't die with kill -9 . Is there anything stronger? |
| 09:14.53 | Dewi | ealexp: what exactly is in a -dev package anyway? I just realize I've never known |
| 09:15.05 | ryan-c | rudi_s: "0x%x" % (0xff + 4 * 3) |
| 09:15.10 | ealexp | Dewi: there are headers |
| 09:15.25 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: were you trying to ls some failing hardware or something? Only thing stronger than -9 is a reboot |
| 09:15.36 | rudi_s | ryan-c: Ah, great. Thank you. |
| 09:15.39 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: (or resolving whatever problem in the kernel has them hung so badly) |
| 09:15.55 | ealexp | and in apache -dev packages, there is apxs2 too |
| 09:16.17 | ealexp | "apxs is a tool for building and installing extension modules for the Apache HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP) server. apxs is a tool for building and installing extension modules for the Apache HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP) server." |
| 09:16.38 | ryan-c | rudi_s: that code is essentially an sprintf, and then the python shell prints the returned value. |
| 09:17.01 | rudi_s | ryan-c: One last question, is it possible to start python's interactive mode while still automatically running a command (I want an alias for python like alias calc='python <option here>' which imports some functions for me ). |
| 09:17.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: ok - thanks |
| 09:17.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: what to look for and how in the kernel? |
| 09:17.33 | rudi_s | ryan-c: Yes, thanks. I completely forgot about python's "" % formating. |
| 09:18.03 | ryan-c | rudi_s: I would bet an arbitrarily large sum of money that it's possible to do that, but 2am is not a good time for me to figure out how. |
| 09:18.08 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: well if you were trying to ls some damaged disk you could remove it |
| 09:18.26 | rudi_s | ryan-c: ;-) |
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| 09:18.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I was ls-ing a remote dvice that was unceremoniously unplugged at the crucial moment |
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| 09:19.25 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: is it unmounted now? |
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| 09:20.28 | ryan-c | rudi_s: I could send you the code for my interactive perl shell - it's only like 20 lines of code that i stole from somewhere. |
| 09:20.42 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I have never had much luck cleaning up the remnants from yanked devices that weren't yanked correctly |
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| 09:21.08 | rudi_s | ryan-c: Thank you, but I found it: python -i -c 'command here' Python is great ;-) Thanks again for your help. |
| 09:21.25 | ryan-c | heh |
| 09:21.29 | ryan-c | cool |
| 09:21.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: trying to fusermount -u it gives me the "device busy" even though it is physically unplugged :( |
| 09:21.56 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: does fuse have a daemon or something you could restart? |
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| 09:22.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: looking for that now ;) |
| 09:22.15 | EugenMayer | hello, does only the openldap server package include ldapwhoami ? |
| 09:22.28 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I haven't used fuse much |
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| 09:22.31 | rudi_s | jpinx-eeepc: AFAIK there is a bug report regarding this fuse problem. |
| 09:22.37 | ryan-c | my problem is that i know perl well enough to be pretty productive in it, so I usually end up just using perl instead of learning something else. |
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| 09:23.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: catch-22 - I can't ls etc/init.d ;) |
| 09:23.05 | Dewi | ryan-c: I have that problem too. I should almost certainly learn python. Or ruby when it matures a bit |
| 09:23.14 | rudi_s | The solution I use is to put the mountpoint somewhere whr |
| 09:23.20 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: wha? why not? |
| 09:23.34 | rudi_s | ere you don't access it accidentaly. Then you just let it block and don't care. |
| 09:23.39 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: are you running without an /etc now? |
| 09:23.41 | jpinx-eeepc | rudi_s: mv the mountpoint? |
| 09:23.42 | rudi_s | s,solution,workaround, |
| 09:23.50 | rudi_s | jpinx-eeepc: Before mounting of course. |
| 09:24.10 | rudi_s | I have my fuse mountpoints in ~/tmp/fuse/.., so I don't go there accidentally and block my shell. |
| 09:24.17 | jpinx-eeepc | rudi_s: ok - I'll do that once I get ls working again ;) |
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| 09:24.35 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: why isn't ls working/ |
| 09:24.35 | rudi_s | ryan-c: I often use perl as well, but my console calculator was always python, now with your help it got even better ;-) |
| 09:24.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: no - running without ls |
| 09:25.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I was ls-ing a remote dvice that was unceremoniously unplugged at the crucial moment |
| 09:25.01 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: a few orphan processes shouldn't stop you opening new ones |
| 09:25.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: 6 running ls instances all of which are hung, and they won't die with kill -9 |
| 09:26.00 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: yes. Does every new ls just hang as well, even when listing other locations? |
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| 09:26.08 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 09:26.55 | jpinx-eeepc | ah-ha - patience fixed it - looks like kill -9 did work eventually, but it took all the time we have been discussing it here |
| 09:26.55 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: gahhh reboot |
| 09:26.57 | ryan-c | Dewi: I had to learn some ruby when I needed to automate some interactive ssh sessions because ruby's ssh library is awesome. |
| 09:27.09 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: haha, great. Probably won't help you run ls |
| 09:27.11 | ryan-c | and perl's couldn't do what I needed. |
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| 09:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: hopefully no reboot needed :) |
| 09:27.28 | rudi_s | ryan-c: Just found another command making it even shorter: hex(260) => 0x104 |
| 09:27.32 | jpinx-eeepc | is going for a record uptime on a netbook ;) |
| 09:28.00 | rudi_s | jpinx-eeepc: Don't forget security updates ;-) |
| 09:28.16 | jpinx-eeepc | rudi_s: funny you should say that ;) |
| 09:28.33 | jpinx-eeepc | rudi_s: Dewi thanks guys :) |
| 09:28.33 | ryan-c | ksplice :p |
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| 09:32.44 | jpinx-eeepc | wierd - all back to normal and no apparent reason for ls to hang like that |
| 09:33.09 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: probably the rpc call finally timed out |
| 09:33.17 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: and everything in the kernel unwound nicely |
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| 09:34.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: I've grepped through dmesg and syslog and there is no reference to ls at all |
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| 09:35.53 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: I wouldn't expect there to be. ls is very simple, and isn't root so it can't log anything |
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| 09:37.02 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: very odd that they could affect each-other in any way |
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| 09:38.11 | ahri | in Gentoo i can get a list of packages i've explicitly installed, which is quite useful for reference purposes, is there a way to get such a list from apt/dpkg? dpkg --get-selected lists everything installed, which is not the same thing |
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| 09:39.43 | Dewi | ahri: aptitude's search has a special token ~M for the automatic ones, so it can take !~M to exclude them |
| 09:40.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: the gremlins left without leave a trail... ;) |
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| 09:41.10 | rww | aptitude search \!~M~i |
| 09:41.24 | SpiderFred | hi, what debian should I install testing stable or unstable? |
| 09:41.28 | rww | the \ being to escape ! so bash doesn't screw with it |
| 09:42.03 | jpinx-eeepc | SpiderFred: to start with go for stable - upgrading will not need a reinstall unless you break it ;) |
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| 09:42.52 | qwd | SpiderFred: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 09:49.02 | ahri | Dewi, rww: thanks, i guess if i've reinstalled system packages then they will now be explicitly installed, right? |
| 09:50.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: fwiw - I think ls hung itself because it had been working to a mobile phone fs which was unplugged without stopping the apps, the phone rebooted and replugged. There were likely other hangups that I didn't notice... |
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| 09:54.43 | babilen | ahri: When you reinstall packages they will not change their status |
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| 09:57.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: the lesson for me is give kill -9 ten minutes to work ;) |
| 09:57.08 | Dewi | ahri: depends how |
| 09:57.44 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: hrm. If it doesn't work instantly I doubt it's working at all |
| 09:58.02 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: it's not one of the signals that trigger a handler, it just mercilessly destroys |
| 09:59.07 | ahri | Dewi: aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 09:59.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: interesting - then it failed to kill and the process hung until timed-out |
| 09:59.55 | babilen | ahri: Ok, to clarify that: I was referring to "aptitude reinstall" (as opposed to "aptitude remove" + "aptitude install") |
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| 10:00.32 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: they probably did get -9'd when they became accessible again |
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| 10:00.52 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: but -9 wouldn't do anything that took any time, as far as I know |
| 10:01.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: ah - yes - I get it - hung with -9 waiting in ambush ;) |
| 10:01.27 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: your inability to run any more 'ls' indicates the actual binary was somehow locked as well |
| 10:01.44 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: or one of the libs, or a kernel call it makes |
| 10:02.12 | Dewi | jpinx-eeepc: you'd think the latter 2 would stop bash too tho |
| 10:02.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Dewi: it was in a screen session and I thought that might have been an issue, but with a fresh X-term and even in tty1 it was the same |
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| 10:11.43 | alexxoid | hi. Is there a possibility to block application's outgoing traffic? I wanna to block "java" application to access internet, I have found the solution that uses iptables -m owner to do it, but there are some "java" applications on my system runs one time, but I need to block only once. any suggestions? |
| 10:13.12 | mashed | alexxoid: hacking the hosts file would be much simpler/ |
| 10:13.24 | mashed | if you knew the domain its accessing that is |
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| 10:14.11 | alexxoid | mashed, there are a lot of hosts application can access |
| 10:14.45 | alexxoid | mashed, + I need to block it only for one defined application |
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| 10:16.25 | mashed | ofc, i think owner is the only real option although im not sure how that would affect other java applications |
| 10:17.26 | mashed | alexxoid, or do you mean all java applications? |
| 10:18.07 | alexxoid | mashed, I mean that I need to block one of my java processes access internet |
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| 10:24.13 | mashed | alexxoid, i found this |
| 10:24.15 | mashed | http://download.oracle.com/javase/1.4.2/docs/guide/security/permissions.html#SocketPermission |
| 10:24.19 | mashed | Hope it helps |
| 10:24.21 | sanal_madatheth | hello all |
| 10:24.42 | ov3rmind | :) |
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| 10:26.19 | alexxoid | mashed, thx, but I can't understand how I can use it with tomcat6 server |
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| 10:27.00 | mashed | alexoid: By the looks of it you have to create a specific java security policy file and assign it to a single application |
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| 10:32.16 | jpinx-eeepc | while doing an aptitude safe-upgrade I get linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 to be upgraded - is this going to need a reboot? |
| 10:32.32 | mashed | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 10:32.48 | mashed | well if you want to use the new kernel features then yet |
| 10:32.50 | terang | jpinx-eeepc: If you're upgrading the kernel then yes |
| 10:32.50 | mashed | *yes |
| 10:33.01 | terang | Nvm, mashed beat me to it. |
| 10:33.22 | jpinx-eeepc | :( that's what I thought |
| 10:33.43 | terang | Why don't you want to reboot? |
| 10:33.48 | jpinx-eeepc | so much for my record uptime, |
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| 10:33.59 | mashed | go on jpinx doo tell |
| 10:34.07 | terang | jpinx-eeepc: you should investigate ksplice then ;) |
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| 10:34.11 | jpinx-eeepc | uptime is never longer than kernel upgrades... |
| 10:34.23 | jpinx-eeepc | OOoo... |
| 10:34.24 | alexxoid | mashed, I found some solution with owner module - --uid-owner property. I will try to use it |
| 10:34.27 | jpinx-eeepc | !kspilce |
| 10:34.30 | alexxoid | mashed, thx for now |
| 10:34.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !ksplice |
| 10:34.36 | mashed | np ;) |
| 10:34.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmmmm |
| 10:35.02 | compaq | I am looking for apache2 assistance. I setup virtual hosts, and I have two sites on one maching with one ip. When I enter my IP in the url, I can see one of the hosts, but How do I see the other |
| 10:35.09 | terang | Does dephelper have anything on ksplice?? if not...http://www.ksplice.com/why |
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| 10:35.27 | mashed | dpkg ksplice |
| 10:35.27 | dpkg | mashed: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:35.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions ksplice |
| 10:35.47 | judd | Package ksplice on i386 -- sid: 0.9.9-2; squeeze: 0.9.9-2 |
| 10:35.59 | Pupeno[work] | What method do you recommend to protect against ssh brute force attacks (other than strong passwords and ssh-keys, we have that covered, but we are looking into blocking those attacks too). |
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| 10:36.18 | jpinx-eeepc | terang: cool - it's in squeeze and that will be stable soon ;) |
| 10:36.34 | terang | jpinx--eeepc: I have it running on etch and lenny as well. |
| 10:36.58 | jpinx-eeepc | terang: I ĺl look at doing a backport later ;) thanks |
| 10:37.06 | terang | np! |
| 10:37.09 | mashed | compaq: thats what virtual hosting is, the first site defined will e the default for the IP address. To see the other put it in dns / hosts file using the same name as desined in ServerName and its IP address then navigate to the URL. You can only see secondary sites through the URL |
| 10:37.29 | terang | Name based Virtual hosts ftw. |
| 10:37.34 | mashed | *defined in ServerName or ServerAlias |
| 10:37.46 | terang | Also, wasn't I just talking to you on OFTC compaq =) |
| 10:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Pupeno[work]: there's a app that might help that blocks IP's for a time after attempts, can't remember the name... |
| 10:38.02 | compaq | terang, yeah, you are annoying |
| 10:38.19 | terang | That's nice. |
| 10:38.23 | Pupeno[work] | jpinx-eeepc: that's my situation as well. A friend told me, "You should use X", forgot X :( |
| 10:38.40 | terang | Probably cause I linked you to Apache's site. |
| 10:38.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Pupeno[work]: I blame old age - what's your excuse? :p |
| 10:38.57 | compaq | mashed, what dns / hosts file? |
| 10:39.27 | terang | Pupeno[work] was fail2ban one of them? |
| 10:39.37 | jpinx-eeepc | terang: \o/ |
| 10:39.38 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: Try iptables and the limit module. You can say "You can try twice per minute / hour" |
| 10:39.46 | mashed | or is it the rate module |
| 10:39.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Pupeno[work]: fail2ban ! |
| 10:40.12 | terang | http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:40.21 | terang | I'm far too lazy to go to tinyurl, sorry. |
| 10:43.23 | mashed | fail2ban is pretty cool |
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| 10:45.26 | terang | Sure is. |
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| 10:56.43 | pc_man | hello all |
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| 10:57.07 | pc_man | i need to install curl with ssl support onto my server so i can install whmcs. |
| 10:57.07 | SpiderFred | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.12 | pc_man | how do i do this? |
| 10:57.19 | SpiderFred | :) |
| 10:57.50 | pc_man | what is it? |
| 10:58.37 | pc_man | SpiderFred: what is it? |
| 10:59.10 | SpiderFred | pc_man, I was just trying to connect there.. |
| 10:59.38 | pc_man | SpiderFred: i need to install curl with ssl support onto my server so i can install whmcs. |
| 10:59.51 | mashed | pc_man: have you tried aptitude install libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 11:00.13 | pc_man | no? |
| 11:00.14 | pc_man | O.o |
| 11:00.17 | pc_man | good idea |
| 11:00.26 | pc_man | likes mashed :D |
| 11:00.35 | abrotman | that's a -dev package .. |
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| 11:00.42 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:00.49 | mashed | yeah i was guessing the whmcs was compiled from source |
| 11:01.03 | mashed | in which case just do aptitude install curl4 |
| 11:01.13 | abrotman | pc_man: you need curl or libcurl ? |
| 11:01.24 | pc_man | i think its asking for curl |
| 11:01.27 | pc_man | lemme check... |
| 11:01.31 | abrotman | it is? |
| 11:01.59 | abrotman | pc_man: which version of Debian is this? |
| 11:02.23 | pc_man | its ubuntu... |
| 11:02.46 | pc_man | but ubuntu people being dumb shit. |
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| 11:04.01 | abrotman | pc_man: so go ask in #ubuntu, you're offtopic in this channel |
| 11:04.28 | abrotman | we have no idea if curl in ubuntu is functional, let alone has ssl abilities |
| 11:04.29 | pc_man | ubuntu is made from debian |
| 11:04.34 | pc_man | all i need is a command. |
| 11:04.39 | abrotman | it is NOT debian |
| 11:04.48 | pc_man | is it definitely doable in debian? |
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| 11:05.14 | mashed | well there are a few different packages you can install, it could be php version of curl, lib curl, curl cli, perl curl, puthon curl... the list goes on |
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| 11:05.15 | abrotman | pc_man: Ubuntu is offtopic in #debian, please go to #ubuntu, you have been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 11:05.23 | ethanol | */10 8-21 * * * -- is this between 8am and 9pm? or does 21 also included the 10 minute steps between 21 and 22? thus till 10 almost |
| 11:05.27 | compaq | abrotman, have you ever ran apache with virtual host. I am reading the apache2 docs, and I can't seem to figure out how apache2 distinguishes between to various host, besides the dns, cause my dns simply forwards to the ip, which there is only one |
| 11:05.51 | mashed | compaq: thats correct |
| 11:05.52 | abrotman | compaq: is this for HTTPS or HTTP ? |
| 11:06.01 | compaq | abrotman, http |
| 11:06.15 | abrotman | compaq: it's in the header IIRC |
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| 11:06.44 | ethanol | compaq: try #httpd ? |
| 11:06.50 | compaq | ethanol, thanks man |
| 11:07.36 | ethanol | compaq: but you can have a two virtual host for *:80 basically, and specify their hostname using the ServerName directive |
| 11:08.08 | mashed | compaq: apache2 side each virtual host must have a ServerName, DNS all sites point to the same IP address. And at some point in the main apache config you need NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 11:08.10 | ethanol | so one would be ServerName www.example.org, and the other ServerName www.axemple.org |
| 11:09.05 | ethanol | though I often do ServerName domain.tld; and ServerAlias *.domain.tld |
| 11:09.46 | compaq | ethanol, thing is, I have yahoo domain registration, they just forward to the ip I point to. So if I wanted to just type the ip in the url how would apache distiguish between which to load |
| 11:09.57 | ethanol | we just told you |
| 11:10.09 | ethanol | oh, wait. |
| 11:10.13 | compaq | ethanol, I did that |
| 11:10.19 | ethanol | well, if you just type the ip, you will get the first virtual host |
| 11:10.29 | ethanol | there is no way for apache to distinguish them. |
| 11:10.32 | ethanol | this makes perfect sense. |
| 11:10.57 | ethanol | hence there is often a __default file, which is loaded before all others |
| 11:11.05 | compaq | ethanol, I followed http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 and then I did http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 11:11.05 | abrotman | it's in the request |
| 11:11.06 | ethanol | you can point that to whatever generic page/site you would want for your ip |
| 11:11.42 | ethanol | abrotman: no.. if you just type in an ip in your browser.. the ip is all apache will get. it cannot resolve that to a hostname |
| 11:12.05 | abrotman | he should really be asking #httpd |
| 11:12.15 | ethanol | I did tell him that |
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| 11:17.05 | mashed | does anyone know the name of the package that contains man pages for stl iostream, vector, fstream etc.... |
| 11:17.18 | jelly | libstdc++-dev ? |
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| 11:18.19 | jelly | ,whatprovides libstdc++-dev |
| 11:18.41 | judd | Package libstdc++-dev in lenny/i386 is provided by: libstdc++6-4.1-dev, libstdc++6-4.2-dev, libstdc++6-4.3-dev. |
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| 11:19.09 | jelly | judd: whatprovides libstdc++-dev --release sid |
| 11:19.15 | jelly | judd: you suck! |
| 11:19.20 | judd | Package libstdc++-dev in sid/i386 is provided by: libstdc++6-4.3-dev, libstdc++6-4.4-dev. |
| 11:19.29 | jelly | and I suck at reading! |
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| 11:19.47 | mashed | it doesnt contain the man pages (if they even exist) |
| 11:20.16 | mashed | i found stl-manual but their in HTML format |
| 11:20.38 | mashed | just man pages is quicker |
| 11:21.03 | jelly | mashed: oh, right. It's GNU software, and they prefer texinfo to man pages. |
| 11:21.33 | ov3rmind | somebody know if debian have problems with, identification off some video display devices? my squeeze xorg already detect my sansung (32") then (7") and no permit i use the resolutions acepted by the device. any tip, help are welcome:? |
| 11:21.44 | jelly | the texinfo source can in turn be converted to info or html or similar hypertext formats |
| 11:22.09 | mashed | jelly, yay? is that a good thing? |
| 11:22.18 | jelly | mashed: it's just different. |
| 11:22.51 | mashed | so is that 'info <topic>' command |
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| 11:24.29 | jelly | I suppose you want http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/ |
| 11:24.48 | EugenMayer | hello. using nslookup mydomain.local i can resolve the host, but using ping mydaomain.local i get "unknown host mydomain.local" |
| 11:24.51 | EugenMayer | any ideas? |
| 11:25.38 | jelly | mashed: libstdc++6-4.4-doc has some man pages |
| 11:25.55 | pc_man | how easy is it to use debian as a mail server? |
| 11:25.58 | jelly | ,file std::vector.3c* |
| 11:26.02 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 11:26.10 | EugenMayer | pc_man: install debian - configure MTA. done |
| 11:26.19 | pc_man | :D |
| 11:26.34 | pc_man | is liking debian more and more every day... |
| 11:27.35 | ov3rmind | EugenMayer: verify your local bind or other dns daemon you are using,if the setup from it is alright... |
| 11:27.39 | jelly | ,file std::vector.3c* --release squeeze |
| 11:27.43 | judd | std::vector.3c* in squeeze/i386: libstdc++6-4.4-doc: usr/share/man/man3/std::vector.3cxx.gz |
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| 11:28.02 | jelly | mashed: that one. don't ask me why it can't be found in debian stable. |
| 11:28.33 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: sorry, couldnt get what you mean. are you talking about resolf.conf search and domain? both are set to mydomain.local |
| 11:28.34 | mashed | jelly, great help |
| 11:29.00 | jelly | small favors |
| 11:29.10 | mashed | jelly, i think ill just stick to the online documentation if the packaged versions seem incomplete |
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| 11:30.57 | ov3rmind | EugenMayer: paste the output on 'netstat -vatn' in one paste bin or verify yourself this output to known if the bind daemon alreeady has listening on a corrrect port... |
| 11:31.51 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: http://pastebin.com/XfbdZe9w |
| 11:32.39 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: mydomain.local should resolv to 10.0.0.1, the DNS servers are 10.0.0.1, 7 .. 6 |
| 11:32.51 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: but iam still not sure what you mean |
| 11:33.10 | ov3rmind | your bind serveeer is off |
| 11:33.17 | EugenMayer | bind ( bind9 ) as a DNS server is not running on the debian server |
| 11:33.43 | ov3rmind | the pport 53 its not listening for connections |
| 11:33.43 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: why should bind run localy if i have other DNS server i use? /me confused |
| 11:33.54 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: bind9 is not even installed |
| 11:35.55 | ov3rmind | i don't known the exactly config you need but you can't have one local dns to bind one caache for your site instead... |
| 11:37.09 | EugenMayer | ov3rmind: i did not understand a single word :/ |
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| 11:37.53 | mashed | EugenMayer: are you just trying to set up a DNS caching server? |
| 11:38.07 | ov3rmind | excuse i think to try explain better... |
| 11:38.19 | EugenMayer | mashed: not at all. That debian server is hosting a web-application and is part of a windows DC env. |
| 11:38.48 | pc_man | what is the best distro to run a web server on? |
| 11:39.01 | pc_man | i am leaning towards debian, but wanna check. |
| 11:39.03 | EugenMayer | mashed: what iam going to do is setting up kerberos authentication. But before i start i must be sure NTP is using the DC as timeserver and that resolving the FQDN works |
| 11:39.44 | EugenMayer | pc_man: iam pretty sure a *BSD one is the most rock-solid one, but it needs a lot of more knowledge and dont expect new packages or wide HW support |
| 11:40.00 | EugenMayer | pc_man: i stick to debian, its the perfect balance of both worlds |
| 11:40.25 | pc_man | yeah. my cloud host does not have any bsd images. |
| 11:40.34 | mashed | pc_man: centos + plesk is great for ISP's debian for internal stuff |
| 11:40.55 | pc_man | whats plesk? |
| 11:41.02 | mashed | google it |
| 11:41.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | a good way to void your waranty *g* |
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| 11:41.34 | EugenMayer | mashed: any idea what wrong in my setup? |
| 11:41.48 | mashed | EugenMayer so you have 2 Windows AD servers with DNS running already |
| 11:41.57 | EugenMayer | mashed: i simply not aware how nslookup / dig can resolve the IP but ping cant |
| 11:42.10 | EugenMayer | mashed: 1 AD server |
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| 11:42.20 | mashed | and you want to query domain information from them specifically mydomain.local |
| 11:42.29 | EugenMayer | mashed: and yes, they host the DNS server ofc |
| 11:42.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: was the last person i saw magially resolve network issues like that, i forget what it was though |
| 11:42.38 | EugenMayer | mashed: exactly. |
| 11:42.45 | mashed | so when you dig mydomain.local what do you get (pastebin please) |
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| 11:43.49 | EugenMayer | mashed: http://pastebin.com/6RXyT5Up |
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| 11:44.19 | mashed | well thats why you cant ping it, there are no 'A' records, its not pointing to anything to ping |
| 11:44.31 | mashed | oh Dug |
| 11:44.34 | mashed | Dih |
| 11:44.49 | mashed | notes to self read the post before commenting |
| 11:44.53 | EugenMayer | mashed: there are?! |
| 11:44.58 | EugenMayer | IN A .. |
| 11:45.33 | mashed | yeah, and they all ping individually? |
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| 11:48.16 | EugenMayer | mashed: lemme check |
| 11:48.35 | EugenMayer | mashed: all except the last one |
| 11:48.38 | EugenMayer | 192... |
| 11:48.56 | mashed | and it exists? |
| 11:50.55 | mashed | try traceroute 192.168.3.10 - if it doesnt exist you may have potentially cached a bad record. (make sure its not a foregn address over vpn) |
| 11:51.18 | EugenMayer | mashed: yes, but this server is parth of a VPN and can access the DC with using this IP |
| 11:51.50 | EugenMayer | mashed: actually the traceroute works |
| 11:52.30 | EugenMayer | mashed: iam sorry, i can ping the 192... was a typo before. |
| 11:52.52 | mashed | and can you ping mydomain.local? |
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| 11:53.51 | EugenMayer | mashed: no. |
| 11:54.02 | EugenMayer | mashed: (thats exactly what confuses me) |
| 11:54.07 | mashed | what does ping say it's resolved as? |
| 11:54.09 | EugenMayer | I have never seen something like this |
| 11:54.16 | EugenMayer | mashed: cant resolve at all |
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| 11:54.42 | mashed | bizarre |
| 11:54.55 | mashed | contents of /etc/resolv.conf correct? |
| 11:55.11 | EugenMayer | search mydomain.local |
| 11:55.15 | EugenMayer | domain mydomain.local |
| 11:55.26 | EugenMayer | nameserver ..1 adn 6 and 7 |
| 11:55.30 | mashed | has the contents of /etc/hosts been modified? |
| 11:55.32 | EugenMayer | all like it supposed to look like |
| 11:55.36 | EugenMayer | mashed: no |
| 11:55.49 | EugenMayer | (debian default) |
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| 11:56.05 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/nHGuM7Sm |
| 11:56.06 | mashed | configured through DHCP or static? |
| 11:56.31 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/eBbh0NZE |
| 11:56.31 | mashed | whats the contents of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:56.37 | EugenMayer | mashed: static |
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| 11:57.04 | urbee | Hi |
| 11:57.04 | EugenMayer | mashed: http://pastebin.com/KX4R2e5n |
| 11:57.14 | urbee | MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC - Kernel panic - not syncing: IO-APIC + timer dosnt work! Try using the noapic kernel parameter |
| 11:57.25 | urbee | Latest debian 64bit on a vmware workstation 7 |
| 11:57.35 | urbee | sometimes gives this bug when i restart it, sometimes it doesnt |
| 11:57.35 | urbee | :S |
| 11:57.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | urbee: tried the noapic kernel parameter? |
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| 11:57.54 | urbee | Kamping_Kaiser: i havent, but people tell me that its damn slow with noapic |
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| 11:58.24 | mashed | im stumped |
| 11:58.32 | abrotman | urbee: you could still try it |
| 11:58.38 | abrotman | urbee: uname -r .. which kernel is it? |
| 11:58.50 | urbee | sec |
| 11:58.57 | urbee | 2.6.26-2- |
| 11:59.01 | urbee | amd64 |
| 11:59.17 | abrotman | well, there is a backports.org kernel you could try to see if your issue is resolved with a newer kernel |
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| 12:00.00 | shecki | hi, i have some problems with cyrus 2.2.13-19 on squeeze (upgraded machine yesterday): imapd processes are hanging and consuming load, than finishing when I close a connection, for example when closing my thunderbird |
| 12:00.28 | EugenMayer | mashed: does dns-nameservers 12.34.56.78 12.34.56.79 only work in interfaces, when resolveconfig is installed? |
| 12:00.54 | mashed | that i can't answer |
| 12:01.04 | mashed | ive never had to use the package |
| 12:01.49 | EugenMayer | abrotman: do you have an ideaà |
| 12:02.09 | byugh | hi, is there yet a solution for a real full drive encryption for a dual boot installation. I am talking a hard drive where each sector is encrypted so in my case I have to place the boot partition somewhere else. |
| 12:02.25 | EugenMayer | iam reading this right now http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Theresolvconfprogram |
| 12:02.42 | byugh | Truecrypt, e.g., does not support full disk encryption in linux |
| 12:03.05 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 12:03.23 | mashed | byugh, you cant encrypt the boot partition |
| 12:03.34 | AlexC_ | wirh rsync is it possible to use wildcards, for example I want to copy all dirs /home/*/domains/* into the directory /foo/ |
| 12:03.36 | byugh | mashed: That's what I said .. |
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| 12:04.05 | mashed | byugh: encfs |
| 12:04.53 | EugenMayer | AlexC_: yes |
| 12:05.03 | EugenMayer | dont forget about "rescursive" |
| 12:05.15 | AlexC_ | EugenMayer: are you able to poke me in the right direction on how this is actually done? |
| 12:05.20 | EugenMayer | -r AlexC_ |
| 12:05.37 | EugenMayer | scp -r foo/* host:/whatever/ |
| 12:05.47 | AlexC_ | EugenMayer: sure though that isn't what I require |
| 12:06.16 | AlexC_ | EugenMayer: I need /home/*/domains/*, rsync doesn't seem to like the first '*' |
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| 12:06.36 | mashed | AlexC_: you may have to script it |
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| 12:06.43 | mashed | AlexC_: |
| 12:06.43 | EugenMayer | AlexC_: use find |
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| 12:07.10 | AlexC_ | >< I can't |
| 12:07.29 | EugenMayer | Do it manually. |
| 12:07.46 | shecki | find bla exec rsync i would try ;) |
| 12:07.59 | mashed | AlexC_: for FOLDER in $(ls /home/); do rsync -ra /home/${FOLDER}/domains* /foo; done |
| 12:08.12 | AlexC_ | no, I can't. I'm using rsnapshot that uses rsync and I'm running into this problem |
| 12:08.34 | byugh | mashed: encfs is not a solution for a full drive encryption for a dual boot system |
| 12:08.49 | byugh | for-> of |
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| 12:09.04 | EugenMayer | mashed: dns-nameserver / dns-domain / dns-search only work when resolvconf is installed |
| 12:09.24 | EugenMayer | mashed: YFYI |
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| 12:10.06 | mashed | byugy: you want block level encryption? - It doesnt exist its has to be software based unless you get self encrypting hard disks. |
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| 12:10.23 | AlexC_ | is there no fugly way of doing it with rsync, such as 'rsync -ar /home --exclude=* --include=*/domains/' ? |
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| 12:12.29 | byugh | mashed: I am asking about a software solution like truecrypt provides for windows dual boot systems but for a linux/windows dual boot. But it seems noone has written such a thing yet |
| 12:13.23 | joltcan | ** matches anything (singe * stops at slashes) |
| 12:13.37 | mashed | AlexC_: you have to use a single rsync command? |
| 12:14.18 | AlexC_ | mashed: yes ideally, other wise I'm going to have to constantly update the rsnapshot config file with each new user, which is possible but I would rather avoid it |
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| 12:16.09 | mashed | byugh: hmm, you want pre or post bootloader encryption? |
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| 12:16.38 | shecki | someone here with experience with cyrus imapd ? |
| 12:16.38 | mashed | byugh: like an encrypted bootloader bootloader |
| 12:17.12 | mashed | AlexC_: why wont my command work? its a single command. |
| 12:18.05 | AlexC_ | mashed: because like I said, I'm using rsnapshot which uses rsync internally. I can not rewrite rsnapshot |
| 12:18.19 | AlexC_ | your command *would* work, yes - however I can't use it |
| 12:19.04 | mashed | AlexC_: give me a mo im going to experiment |
| 12:19.30 | AlexC_ | rsnapshot is essentially a wrapper for rsync that allows you to easily create version snapshots of directories into hourly,daily,weekly,monthly backups etc. The values you configure rsnapshot with are put directly into rsync |
| 12:19.50 | AlexC_ | so if I can find out how to do it in rsync, then I can do it in rsnapshot :) |
| 12:20.14 | mashed | ok did you use rsnapshot from the repo's? |
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| 12:21.05 | AlexC_ | mashed: sure did |
| 12:21.32 | AlexC_ | thanks for looking into this btw, appreciated |
| 12:21.51 | mashed | great, i'd be interested to know too. It sounds like somethng that can benifit me too |
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| 12:22.53 | dutchfish | hi, after installing xfce4/squeeze/i686, it does not start automatically with a graphical login. However after login in on the console as normal user i can invoke startx and it will start a desktop as that user. How to fix? |
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| 12:23.01 | byugh | mashed: It doesn't matter. As I said, I don't care if I've to place the /boot partition on a usb stick. What I ask for is a full drive encryption and on top of that two OS ( or if possible a lvm with linux and windows). |
| 12:23.31 | abrotman | dutchfish: install gdm ? |
| 12:23.48 | dutchfish | abrotman: let me check, a sec |
| 12:24.19 | mashed | or xdm if you like the retro feel :p |
| 12:25.08 | dutchfish | mashed: i hate gdm, does xdm work transparently like gdm login does? |
| 12:25.20 | mashed | iirc yes |
| 12:26.15 | macrobat | there are other login managers, like slim and wdm |
| 12:27.27 | dutchfish | mashed: worked like a charm ! It is blazingly fast also, thank you :) |
| 12:28.02 | bze | slim and wdm huh |
| 12:28.22 | dutchfish | mashed: i wonder why install xfce4 as a metapackage wouldnt install or recommend gdm/xdm ... |
| 12:28.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: you might as well use gdm .. you have half of gnome installed anyway |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: because not everyone taht uses xfce wants a DM |
| 12:28.53 | dutchfish | abrotman: nope, i am still truely gnomme free |
| 12:29.01 | dutchfish | gnome* |
| 12:29.07 | bze | been trying to get rid of the gnome desktop metapackage but bleh |
| 12:29.26 | dutchfish | abrotman: this is another machine |
| 12:29.37 | mashed | dutchfish, im not a good person to ask. I know very litle about x and related tools. |
| 12:29.39 | bze | had to reinstall debian at the beginning of the week due to busted /boot but didn't look through the setup carefully enough, been years since i had to actually re-install debian |
| 12:30.02 | dutchfish | abrotman: fair enough |
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| 12:30.16 | dutchfish | abrotman: mashed thanks again |
| 12:30.17 | bze | so it slammed gnome there with all the gnome stuff that i really dont need |
| 12:31.00 | mashed | when it comes to x all i use is fluxbox |
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| 12:32.29 | dkr | I used fluxbox back when it cam out because of its neat feature to tab together arbitrary groups of windows, but then all of the apps integrated tabs themselves. heh |
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| 12:35.19 | armetiz | HI there, I have a problem using rsync, it's s little problem |
| 12:35.37 | armetiz | Every sync well, but I have this message : receiving file list ... rsync: change_dir "/" (in static) failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 12:35.54 | armetiz | I don't understand why It appended :/ |
| 12:36.05 | abrotman | dutchfish: xfce4 brings in chukns of gnome |
| 12:36.11 | mashed | armetiz whats the coomand you're running |
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| 12:37.02 | armetiz | I use : rsync -avcz user@host::module /path/to/target --delete-after --password-file/path/password |
| 12:37.31 | armetiz | I'm already using it on other server, and it's the same module definition |
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| 12:38.41 | armetiz | The -a options implide -l option, "copy symlinks as symlinks".. But, I have no symlink in the folder that I want duplicate |
| 12:39.21 | mashed | are you sure the remote user has write permission? |
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| 12:40.00 | armetiz | That I want, is host B containt same file as the host A. The folder /var/www |
| 12:40.11 | armetiz | the /var/www replication work fine |
| 12:40.16 | armetiz | But, I have this message |
| 12:40.26 | armetiz | The remote module is on read only |
| 12:40.30 | armetiz | (host A) |
| 12:40.43 | armetiz | the rsync command is launch with root user.. |
| 12:41.00 | mashed | ive never used the user@host::<eh?> notation before |
| 12:41.03 | armetiz | and the rsync command use a "user_rsync" that is correctly define on host A :s |
| 12:41.16 | armetiz | mashed what notation are you using ? |
| 12:41.31 | ov3rmind | anyone known any about xorg display device incorrect detection on squeeze, i tryed #xorg but anyone helps |
| 12:41.32 | mashed | i only ever use a single colon |
| 12:42.28 | armetiz | a single colon ? |
| 12:42.51 | mashed | ok so your communicating directly with an rsync daemon by using a double colon |
| 12:43.56 | mashed | what user is the daemon running as on the source machine and can it access the file / folder? |
| 12:44.40 | armetiz | The daemon is running with nobody:nogorup |
| 12:45.14 | armetiz | ok |
| 12:45.15 | armetiz | done |
| 12:45.17 | armetiz | thanks |
| 12:45.17 | armetiz | :p |
| 12:45.22 | armetiz | nobody was the problem |
| 12:45.35 | armetiz | the /var/ww remote folder is only 770 chmod |
| 12:45.36 | mashed | :D |
| 12:46.21 | armetiz | thanks for helping debug with me ;) |
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| 12:59.18 | llpj | While attempting to install gpgv, I'm getting the error "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/gpgv', which is also in package gnupg 0:1.4.5-1". Any idea how to work around that? |
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| 13:09.00 | llpj | nevermind --force-overwrite seems to overcome i |
| 13:18.06 | stew | sounds like there is both a packaging error in gnupg/gpgv and that llpj is probably running some undesirable mix of releases |
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| 13:20.24 | emilsedgh | is policykit removed from sid? it seems its being moved to debports and is no more available... |
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| 13:21.19 | scoobertron | when you specify colors by number in .Xresources, what do the colors refer to? |
| 13:21.50 | stew | emilsedgh: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/policykit/news/20100505T094711Z.html |
| 13:22.09 | stew | emilsedgh: you can find such things on http://packages.qa.debian.org/$packagename |
| 13:22.57 | emilsedgh | well, then where are policykit development files? |
| 13:23.04 | emilsedgh | i mean, which package includes them? |
| 13:23.07 | scoobertron | sorry, I meant what do the numbers refer to |
| 13:23.10 | stew | scoobertron: i'm not sure if I understand your question, but perhaps look at the COLOR NAMES section of the X manpage |
| 13:23.39 | stew | emilsedgh: read the bug that led to its removal |
| 13:23.48 | stew | emilsedgh: i'd expect it to name a successor |
| 13:23.54 | emilsedgh | ok, thanks stew |
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| 13:24.18 | stew | !dbugs 580270 |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | DONE:#580270:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: policykit -- ROM; obsolete, replaced by policykit-1 (); Tue, 04 May 2010 21:48:01 UTC [] |
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| 13:32.35 | scoobertron | stew: sorry, I meant things like urxvt.color0: ... how do I know which bits of text get coloured with whatever I put after the colon. |
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| 13:33.31 | AlexC_ | mashed: hey, just wondering if you managed to get any further |
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| 13:34.11 | stew | scoobertron: look in the urxvt manpage |
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| 13:48.44 | mashed | AlexC_: slowly im trying to work at the same time |
| 13:49.19 | AlexC_ | mashed: same here :P |
| 13:49.39 | niklaswe | hmm I have synaptics touhpad.. and when i trying to startx i got this message.. SynPS/2 Synaptics TocuhPad unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.. |
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| 13:51.39 | niklaswe | and my monitor is black.. |
| 13:52.21 | niklaswe | and when i going out in console i see error No protocol specified |
| 13:52.40 | sander^work | http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101018/tc_pcworld/desktoplinuxthedreamisdead <-- Anyone read this and agree that desktop Linux dream is dead? |
| 13:53.20 | amphi | certainly the 'desktop environment' in general is starting to smell ;) |
| 13:53.28 | amphi | regardless of OS |
| 13:53.34 | llutz | who cares? |
| 13:54.19 | johntramp | hi. i want to control volume levels from a script. what is the best way to do this? |
| 13:54.23 | abrotman | sander^work: try #debian-offtopic |
| 13:54.30 | johntramp | it doesn't look like alsamixer takes commandline arguements |
| 13:54.40 | amphi | johntramp: amixer |
| 13:54.58 | johntramp | amphi: cool. thanks |
| 13:55.15 | amphi | you're welcome - I find amixer very useful here |
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| 13:57.39 | sander^work | I'm just wondring if anyone have some sugestions to why desktop Linux fails? |
| 13:57.50 | abrotman | sander^work: try #debian-offtopic |
| 13:58.55 | sander^work | abrotman, ok ok. |
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| 14:06.30 | mashed | AlexC_: Just out of curiosity, why can't you rsnapshot the whole /home directoty? |
| 14:09.15 | mashed | *directory |
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| 14:10.59 | mashed | nvm actually |
| 14:13.24 | AlexC_ | I could but ideally I don't want all the extra fluf |
| 14:14.10 | mashed | yeah, it occoured |
| 14:15.18 | niklaswe | any ide about this... when i starting X with root then my monitor and laptop works fine, but when i trygin with my user i doesn't work i got no protocol specified.. |
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| 14:26.30 | Pupeno[work] | Can exim configured as local delivery only; not on a network forward root@localhost to another address in another domain? |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:27.22 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: Isnt that the default configuration? |
| 14:27.56 | Pupeno[work] | mashed: I think so, not sure though. |
| 14:30.08 | mashed | look in /etc/aliases and forward root to a different address 'eg. root: foo@example.com' run newaliases and test |
| 14:30.38 | kwork | or have .forward file in user homedir with adr to where to forward |
| 14:31.27 | babilen | kwork: You would still need to forward mails addressed to root to that user (unless you meant root's .forward), but I think the alias approach is cleaner |
| 14:32.45 | mashed | centrally managed too :) |
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| 14:33.56 | kwork | yeah its cleaner to use aliases, just giving option |
| 14:34.16 | kwork | because sometimes you dont have root at box, and with forward you can still move your messages to some other mailbox |
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| 14:38.19 | evilgenius101 | I need to install a mail-server, using Webmin as control panel. just need to send emails (smtp) what mail server shall i go with |
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| 14:38.34 | superlinux | can you tell me how to get an iPhone simulator for Linux. I want to learn programming iPhone. |
| 14:38.45 | superlinux | ?? |
| 14:39.44 | SlayerXP | superlinux: http://tinyurl.com/2bygyjj |
| 14:40.34 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:42.53 | mashed | AlexC_: I think I have a solution |
| 14:43.00 | superlinux | SlayerXP, what have you done to me? do you think I am stupid !? |
| 14:43.12 | AlexC_ | mashed: =O |
| 14:43.25 | Shadur | superlinux: Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to. |
| 14:43.36 | mashed | give me a sec im just going to test it then ill put it on pastebin |
| 14:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | evilgenius101, Debian comes with exim by default... see that as a recommendation. Also, /msg dpkg webmin |
| 14:44.49 | AlexC_ | webmin? *dies* |
| 14:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | he asked! |
| 14:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | HE asked! |
| 14:45.37 | superlinux | I just had no faith in the google results that I got. I was not sure whether that is what i want |
| 14:45.44 | AlexC_ | sometimes not telling people about it is kinder than telling people |
| 14:46.21 | evilgenius101 | why pay for a Cp when i need to put one domain on only |
| 14:46.33 | AlexC_ | why have a cp? |
| 14:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, perhaps you should also /msg dpkg webmin to see _what_ I told him :) |
| 14:47.01 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: oh I know, about the reasons why it's not included |
| 14:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but never mind, he didn't check either |
| 14:47.38 | abrotman | superlinux: ask ##iphone |
| 14:47.38 | evilgenius101 | oh. |
| 14:47.50 | AlexC_ | evilgenius101: like you said, you're hosting 1 domain. Incredibly simple to do, any off-the-shelf 'tutorial' will tell you how |
| 14:48.34 | evilgenius101 | I know, original plan was to put a few on , then it cames out pretty crappy.. but i set it up anyway for the timebeing |
| 14:49.42 | kwork | actualy i dont understand why exim is the default for debian, for me it always end up installing postfix :P |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | kwork: i know why :) |
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| 14:50.36 | abrotman | !why exim4 |
| 14:50.36 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 14:50.44 | kwork | hmmmz okey thanks |
| 14:51.02 | abrotman | kwork: exim was chosen so long ago, the only other real alternative was sendmail .. and no one wants that |
| 14:52.02 | evilgenius101 | is there a free alternative to webmin..? |
| 14:52.13 | AlexC_ | evilgenius101: openssh |
| 14:52.43 | evilgenius101 | i meant GUi |
| 14:53.01 | AlexC_ | evilgenius101: what do you want this GUI to do? |
| 14:53.16 | abrotman | !dtc |
| 14:53.16 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
| 14:53.36 | evilgenius101 | not me, but a 2-3 other people asked for it. |
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| 14:54.02 | AlexC_ | evilgenius101: ok, what do they want it to do? |
| 14:54.44 | evilgenius101 | just something to look around and mess about, they're not techies, but lets just say i'm stuck with people who're paying for it |
| 14:55.15 | AlexC_ | ok, you want no techies to have access to a control panel to, I can only assume, lets you manage hosted domains. And you want them to "mess about"? |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | evilgenius101: see DTC above |
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| 14:56.01 | abrotman | evilgenius101: that said ... i have no idea how well it works |
| 14:56.06 | evilgenius101 | AlexC_, Its a one time setup from my side. doing it for a friend. once i'm done if they mess up its their headache |
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| 15:01.56 | mashed | AlexC_: scratch that, it was comletly wrong |
| 15:02.01 | mashed | *completly |
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| 15:04.11 | AlexC_ | mashed: =( no worries, thanks for trying. I have also just send an email to the rsync mailing list |
| 15:04.20 | AlexC_ | mashed: out of interest, what did you try? |
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| 15:17.48 | mashed | AlexC_ ill pastebin it, it almost works |
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| 15:20.25 | mashed | AlexC_ http://pastebin.com/aXGgnbCd |
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| 15:22.36 | AlexC_ | mashed: ah, yes I can do something like that, or just use include_conf for it |
| 15:22.51 | mashed | its essentially a script to generate the configuration file rather than writing it manually |
| 15:22.51 | AlexC_ | I thinnk I'll have to go for t hat |
| 15:22.58 | mashed | its the only solution i could see |
| 15:24.23 | AlexC_ | yes, well see - I have a nice script I wrote here where I can just do 'sudo rrmanage domain --add -d foo.com', I can hook into this and just update the include_conf file |
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| 15:26.35 | mashed | AlexC_ well there you go problem solved |
| 15:27.14 | AlexC_ | mashed: I guess, I'm still very interested to know how to get rsync doing what I wanted for future references though ^^ |
| 15:27.19 | mashed | i like this rsnapshot, it beats the * out of standard rsync / bacula |
| 15:27.41 | AlexC_ | it's awesome, really really good |
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| 15:28.56 | mashed | how does it know how long to keep the snapshots though / how much space to use? |
| 15:29.39 | AlexC_ | mashed: look in rsnapshot.conf, there are config values "interval" where you can set how long each daily/weekly/monthly to store for |
| 15:29.56 | AlexC_ | size, I don't think you can limit but due to the use of hard-links, the backups are quite small |
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| 15:37.05 | mashed | AlexC_: also `rsync -ar /home/*/domains/* /tmp/` does seem to work |
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| 15:38.22 | mashed | what version of rsync are you using? |
| 15:38.56 | AlexC_ | mashed: eh? 3.0.3, are you sure? |
| 15:39.05 | mashed | 3.0.3 here too |
| 15:39.17 | mashed | AlexC_ yeah definetly |
| 15:40.01 | AlexC_ | mashed: can you pastebin the command + output please? |
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| 15:40.57 | mashed | sure |
| 15:41.54 | mashed | http://pastebin.com/n3YmNX64 |
| 15:42.44 | AlexC_ | mashed: ls -la /home |
| 15:44.44 | mashed | http://pastebin.com/Eff0s29P |
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| 15:45.16 | mashed | line 78 i do the same on /tmp |
| 15:45.28 | AlexC_ | eh, how on earth is yours working? |
| 15:45.52 | mashed | shrugs |
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| 15:47.39 | Pupeno[work] | Nope, local delivery only cannot deliver to another domain through an alias, it throws this error: Mailing to remote domains not supported. |
| 15:49.23 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: the only option then is to enable outbound email in exim then |
| 15:49.53 | Pupeno[work] | mashed: yes, I wonder if I should use a smarthost or not, I think not but I'm not sure, trying it out now. |
| 15:50.08 | mashed | I personally would |
| 15:50.59 | Pupeno[work] | mashed: but wouldn't the smarthost then be able to receive emails for root@whatever.example.com? I just want to forward those to operations@example.com. |
| 15:52.27 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: say you're using postfix on your smarthost, just add the machine in to the networks configuration. then it can send any email it likes via the smarthost |
| 15:53.02 | Pupeno[work] | mashed: I'm not controlling the smarthost. It's in Google Apps for Domains. We don't have any other mailserver really. |
| 15:53.08 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: you wouldnt have to set up host.example.com as a domain on the server |
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| 15:53.26 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: What about your ISP? |
| 15:53.27 | xro | hi, i use openldap to set sudoers.... I have 2 ou with the same config and it works for one and not for the other one.... Have you an idea? --> http://pastebin.com/6Ym8mDqp |
| 15:53.34 | project2501a | /usr/share/python/runtime.d/libboost1.35-dbg.rtupdate unknown python version python2.6 wtf? |
| 15:53.50 | Pupeno[work] | mashed: no idea, but most likely no, they don't provide SMTP at all. |
| 15:53.52 | project2501a | apt died with that error |
| 15:54.05 | mashed | Pupeno[work]: Ah, well send it direct then |
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| 16:12.19 | RichiH | wtf, i am unable to type "e" on a machine i installed just now |
| 16:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ⬠|
| 16:13.57 | jimcooncat | RichiH: if you had an eMachine you ouldn't have such problem |
| 16:14.20 | babilen | RichiH: All other keys work? Could it be a hardware problem? |
| 16:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's an ipod... or an iphone :-P |
| 16:15.36 | RichiH | babilen: it was ssh |
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| 16:15.47 | stew | did you "loadkeys qwrty"? :) |
| 16:15.51 | RichiH | turns out i copy-pasted a broken /etc/inputrc |
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| 16:19.06 | pallgone | hmm, that's strange, "crontab -e" gives me an empty file... shouldn't it be /etc/crontab? |
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| 16:23.29 | mashed | pallgone no crontabs are stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 16:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | pallgone: Nope, there are at least three different crontab locations. |
| 16:24.43 | babilen | pallgone: You are editing your users crontab (most likely) |
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| 16:27.23 | pallgone | ah, yes I see it now. thanks |
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| 16:49.57 | thewanderer1 | I'm playing music (stream radio, mp3 codec) in Amarok and the sound gets cut so I only hear about 60% of the music in a music - stop - music fashion |
| 16:50.09 | thewanderer1 | the same happens in Audacious |
| 16:50.24 | amphi | can you increase the buffer size? |
| 16:50.30 | thewanderer1 | but in Audacious I seem to have sound for a greater fraction of time, just a subjective observation |
| 16:50.37 | thewanderer1 | well, I guess I can |
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| 16:51.27 | thewanderer1 | I could in Amarok 1.4... I have no idea where it is now in 2.whatever :( |
| 16:51.42 | amphi | I use moc ;) |
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| 16:52.27 | thewanderer1 | so does it support setting the buffer size and streaming? |
| 16:52.39 | mashed | would the buffer size help if the connection is slow or saturated? If its happening accross applications have you tested your net connection? |
| 16:52.53 | thewanderer1 | well, I regularly get 1.5MB/s here |
| 16:53.29 | thewanderer1 | what's a good file to wget? Debian ISO? |
| 16:53.40 | mashed | does it happen on more than one station? |
| 16:54.05 | amphi | mashed: a bigger buffer would help, somewhat at least |
| 16:54.06 | thewanderer1 | only on this PC |
| 16:54.32 | thewanderer1 | I've been using it as my desktop machine for a week or so and it's been exhibiting this behaviour since I started |
| 16:54.35 | mashed | over wireless? |
| 16:54.46 | thewanderer1 | I'm directly connected to a cable modem |
| 16:55.00 | thewanderer1 | public-class IP, this is the router |
| 16:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | a large buffer always helps... in so far as you can have much longer interrupted viewing/listening and then longer pauses.... |
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| 16:56.27 | mashed | idd its something definetly worth doing |
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| 16:56.39 | thewanderer1 | am now getting 2.5MB/s download of Debian netinst CD... |
| 16:56.57 | mashed | is the speed fluctuating at all? |
| 16:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | fill a buffer with audio for an hour and you can at least listen uninterrupted for an hour :) |
| 16:57.22 | thewanderer1 | I'd say a stable one is 1MB/s and doesn't drop |
| 16:58.59 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's just the radio station having bandwidth problems |
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| 17:00.01 | mashed | Ive had a similar problem before but i doubt its the same in this situation. The line nogation between our kit and the suppliers routers didnt match. As a result we had massively fluctuating speeds. |
| 17:00.33 | mashed | and it wasnt set to automaticly negotiate. |
| 17:01.14 | mashed | its something to check |
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| 17:03.16 | thewanderer1 | it'd be a good one over coaxial cable from my modem :) |
| 17:04.23 | reber | hi all. Is there a command (dpkg-reconfigure something), that could pass through the files /etc/fstab, /boot/* to recalculate uuid of all HD ? |
| 17:04.46 | reber | and replace them in the right position in all these files |
| 17:06.30 | somiaj | reber: think you'll just have to go though it manually, did hd's change device location? |
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| 17:07.34 | reber | somiaj, :/ ... no they didn't. It's about cloning machines ... |
| 17:07.51 | reber | new uuid stuff doesn't make things easy to clone ... |
| 17:08.54 | babilen | reber: use LABELS and label the Filesystems on creation |
| 17:09.03 | babilen | !label |
| 17:09.04 | dpkg | Labels can be set on some filesystems, enabling referencing via LABEL=foo in <fstab>. To set: Ext{2,3,4}: e2label /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (16 char limit); XFS: xfs_admin -L foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (12 char limit); FAT{16,32}: dosfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (11 char limit); NTFS: ntfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (128 char limit); ReiserFS: reiserfstune -l foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (16 char limit). To mount: mount -L foo dir. See also <uuid>. |
| 17:10.55 | babilen | reber: And no, I am not aware of such a program, but saw something like it in a linux-image-??? .postinst (might have been the 2.6.32 package from backports) |
| 17:11.24 | babilen | Note that the postinst is *not* meant to be run as a standalone program, but it might provide some ideas on how to deal with it |
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| 17:12.15 | reber | babilen, i'm shure there are scripts in debian that do the trick, because, i had an old way /dev/sdaxxx with were replaced by UUID stuff. The point is which package. Maybe linux-image yes, certainly. |
| 17:12.17 | mashed | thewanderer1: this was from when i fixed our line negotiation http://imagebin.org/120815 - just for laughs |
| 17:12.43 | reber | such a script should imho be available for using it standalone |
| 17:13.03 | mashed | oh he's gone |
| 17:13.26 | babilen | mashed: nvm, looks like you've done a good job :) |
| 17:13.57 | reber | sysprep-linux should be invented now with the uuid problem. Looking at labels but not shure it will be better in my case |
| 17:14.17 | mashed | babilen ty |
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| 17:22.11 | jhutchins | !uuid |
| 17:22.11 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 17:23.25 | reber | it's in linux-base postinst |
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| 17:24.00 | _fliXR- | im using cpufreq to restrict my cpu speed. theres a script in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils which sets the right governor (powersave). anyhow after a reboot governor resides back to ondemand... i always have to adjust it manually. any hints? |
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| 17:26.16 | amphi | _fliXR-: you can use /etc/sysfs.conf to set the governator at boot time |
| 17:26.16 | jhutchins | _fliXR-: Haven't worked with it in a while, but the docs for it should say. In particular see if there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/cpufreq - theat's usually where the "Debian goes it's own way" details are. |
| 17:26.51 | jhutchins | amphi: That's a wierd place to put it. |
| 17:27.06 | simonrvn | weird |
| 17:27.08 | jhutchins | amphi: Shouldn't that be filesystem configuration? |
| 17:27.37 | _fliXR- | thx ill take a look |
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| 17:28.10 | amphi | jhutchins: it's for setting sysfs variables, devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor is one |
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| 17:30.40 | JigT | i'm having problem with exim, telnet domain.com 25 says conn refused, but works on localhost |
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| 17:31.14 | simonrvn | then it's not listening on domain.com:25 |
| 17:31.25 | JigT | how do i make it listen |
| 17:31.27 | simonrvn | !connection refused |
| 17:31.28 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 17:31.29 | Bushmills | JigT: check with netstat -ltp what it is listening to+ |
| 17:32.28 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/uMbQ3hMM <-- why would my usb device (mp4 player) disconnect after about 5 seconds...it waits for "device to settle before scanning" then disconnects....I've googled my ass off, and nothing I've been able to find seems to help...this is on Squeeze...anyone have any suggestions? |
| 17:32.35 | JigT | Uh..Its not listed there now too.. |
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| 17:33.51 | JigT | i'll check logs n get back |
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| 17:36.20 | _fliXR- | does the settings in /etc/default have higher priority than the settings in the init script itself? |
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| 17:38.43 | JigT | Ok exim is getting panic attack because 25's already in use. |
| 17:38.59 | JigT | netstat -ltp shows nothing on 25 |
| 17:39.41 | JigT | ok weird, i was able to get into telnet |
| 17:40.06 | _fliXR- | oh they are sourced in the init script... :) |
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| 17:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | JigT: Sounds like exim may be misconfigured with multiple listen statements. |
| 17:44.14 | JigT | ~# /etc/init.d/exim4 reload | |
| 17:44.14 | JigT | Reloading exim4 configuration files: exim4. | |
| 17:44.14 | JigT | ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken failed! |
| 17:44.55 | JigT | log says -> socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned |
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| 17:46.18 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:46.22 | babilen | welcome |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | JigT: fuser -n tcp 25 ? |
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| 17:47.00 | JigT | 25/tcp: 12092 |
| 17:47.20 | JigT | that belongs to exim (checked via ps -A) |
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| 17:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | JigT: I refer to my previous comment. |
| 17:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg-configure does a pretty good job with exim for simple systems. |
| 17:50.27 | JigT | No doubt, i had postfix before. but everything got messed up |
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| 17:51.26 | ScottO_ | why is /tmp being mounted with 'overflow' as the filesystem? |
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| 17:54.25 | JigT | Ok its asking for a IP Add, default is loopback. do i remove that and enter the live ip . or keep it too |
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| 17:55.51 | jelly | ScottO_: sounds like a livecd image of some sort, which debian release are you using? |
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| 18:02.05 | ScottO_ | jelly: debian lenny, i had a disk full problem and rebotted without fixing it and i think it did that |
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| 18:28.35 | nick3 | I am adding manpages to my program and when I package my program as deb the manfiles aren't included in the DEB |
| 18:29.35 | nick3 | I looked over the build log and I don't get any type of error. I don't get 'cp: cannot stat ...' so there must be some manpage files it is copying via " cp -R ../doc/man/* ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man/man7/" |
| 18:30.26 | nick3 | The previous instruction "cp -R ../data/* ${DESTDIR}/opt/phast/data/" and "cp ../bin/* ${DESTDIR}/usr/bin/" work just fine so DESTDIR is the right location |
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| 18:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you packaging with anyway |
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| 18:34.41 | Tekk_ | ia64 would be x86_64 image right? |
| 18:34.56 | nick3 | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm using OBS |
| 18:35.00 | Tekk_ | I wanna make sure before I spend an hour downloading and burning :P |
| 18:35.14 | nick3 | CutMeOwnThroat, but OBS uses dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:35.33 | Tramp | Tekk_: no. ia64 is Itanium |
| 18:35.47 | Tekk_ | ah, amd64 is at the top |
| 18:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tekk_, amd64 is |
| 18:36.00 | nick3 | Ah, good ol' Itanium, too bad it never caught on and cost a boat load |
| 18:36.06 | Tekk_ | I saw ia64 right next to i386 and thought it was that, not noticing it was alphabetical :p |
| 18:36.40 | nick3 | I'm also packing using DebHelper 7 |
| 18:36.42 | jelly-home | ScottO_: that's certainly possible... did it disappear after fixing the full disk issue? |
| 18:37.55 | ScottO_ | jelly-home: disappear? you mean the error? |
| 18:37.59 | ScottO_ | yeah the rror is gone |
| 18:38.46 | jelly-home | ScottO_: what error? Wasn't it just an unusual mountpoint? |
| 18:39.29 | ScottO_ | no i was getting error 126 |
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| 18:44.31 | CyberDomovoy | hello |
| 18:44.36 | CyberDomovoy | I have a BIG problem, I was editing a file, when i tried to save it, geany told me that the file on the disk was more recent then the buffer, i first thought it was a geany problem, so i closed it and reoppened the file: empty! size 0b! I then discovered there was no space left on my partition because of a fu***ng program that wrote Gb of logs... Killed it, rm the logs, restarted geany, but file is empty... any way to recover i |
| 18:44.36 | CyberDomovoy | t? |
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| 18:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's geany and why'd it write files |
| 18:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me rephrase.... what type of file is that |
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| 18:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | first, mount the partition read-only so it doesn't get overwritten if it isn't yet... |
| 18:46.40 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> geany is an editor, the file was html |
| 18:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | then... find out what filesystem it is |
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| 18:48.07 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> hmmm, this my home partition, i'm currently using it, can i safely remount it any way? or should i boot in recovery mode? |
| 18:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can try... mount -o remount,ro /home - but if you're running X, it's very likely that some program has it open for writing... |
| 18:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm one moment - did you ever HAVE ist saved to disk? |
| 18:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 18:49.31 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> yes |
| 18:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if that other process was filling up the disk, it could already have overwritten it when the space was freed... |
| 18:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it'd be most likely gone |
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| 18:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might still be in the RAM if it didn't get cleaned from there, but that's always just a wide shot... |
| 18:50.47 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> i think that what happened is that when the disk was full, and geany tried to auto-save, it had no choice but to write an empty file... (actually, it should have shown an error message... not doing stupid things like that) |
| 18:50.54 | d0uglas | Hi. Were I to install Zimbra, just let dpkg rip on a .deb like zimbra-apache and the like, would that mess me up, all my apache configuration? along with whatever else it might displace? |
| 18:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's what happened... the disk was full... and the new file it made had therefore zero size |
| 18:51.38 | somiaj | d0uglas: where did you egt this .deb you want to install? |
| 18:51.47 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> ok, so, my file is definitly gone... |
| 18:51.56 | d0uglas | http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html |
| 18:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't geany keep a copy of the last edited file, like vi does with filename.txt~ |
| 18:52.58 | karlpinc | How do I list a file's ctime from the shell? |
| 18:53.05 | somiaj | d0uglas: what version of debian is this deb made for, since its unoffical you have to trust that the creaters of the deb were sane and not allowing it to overwrite anything |
| 18:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | CyberDomovoy, well, dunno for sure, but if your log already wrote over the space occupied by the file, then it's pretty surely gone |
| 18:53.13 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> hmmm, good thought, i'm chacking that |
| 18:53.15 | somiaj | d0uglas: I don't know that deb so I can't say one way or another |
| 18:53.15 | karlpinc | *doh* never mind |
| 18:53.20 | d0uglas | readme says 4 |
| 18:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, stat? I think stat lists everything for an inode, so wysiwycg |
| 18:54.02 | d0uglas | well, .. I guess the same question would apply to anything that might try to install its own server including Flash Media Server or maybe Ruby |
| 18:54.07 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> looks like not... checked /tmp too, no luck |
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| 18:54.48 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: ls too. For some reason I didn't see the option the first 2 times I read the man page. |
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| 18:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | CyberDomovoy, if it's ext2/ext3, there's an undelete you can try, if it's something else, there's magicrescue, which will search all beginnings of sectors for stuff that looks like your file (you'll have to write your own receipe describing the file, though) |
| 18:55.13 | somiaj | d0uglas: yup, anything that isn't from your offical debian repo you are in the hands of the person who created the deb |
| 18:55.26 | nick3 | I added a few 'ls' command to my build/install process to try and figure out why my manpages aren't being included in the DEB file. |
| 18:55.50 | d0uglas | ok, guess i'll just ask them or google a little more. thanks |
| 18:56.04 | nick3 | I did 'lsâ/usr/src/packages/BUILD/debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man7/' and it listed all the manpages to install as expected. |
| 18:56.20 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> i'm aware of undelete, but here it havn't been deleted, but wrote empty, so that won't help, right? |
| 18:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, dpkg doesn't allow overwriting of the same filename by the package... |
| 18:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | CyberDomovoy, that depends, I thought editors usually write to a new file, then delete the old one and move the new copy in place of the old... couldn't say if geany does that or not |
| 18:57.35 | CyberDomovoy | CutMeOwnThroat> hmmm, i'll try it then |
| 18:57.47 | nick3 | Can anyone think of why files I write to 'lsâ/usr/src/packages/BUILD/debian/tmp/usr/bin/' are included to my DEB package but files written to 'lsâ/usr/src/packages/BUILD/debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man7/' are not included? |
| 18:57.50 | thewanderer1 | I don't happen to know an editor which would do such file moving |
| 18:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, vi? that's how you end up with the filename~ copy? |
| 18:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | emacs? |
| 18:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I admit I never checked in the source |
| 19:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps I just wish editors would do that, then behavior on a full disk/quota would possibly be more sane :) |
| 19:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can't find anything on it... perhaps I'm wrong |
| 19:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's wishful thinking |
| 19:03.21 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: only if you set backups to be made, I suppose |
| 19:03.24 | thewanderer1 | otherwise not... |
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| 19:03.48 | thewanderer1 | but then, if one has backups, you already have that covered, so I assume no backup gets done and therefore there is no move sequence |
| 19:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... I'm also thinking of owner and permissions... |
| 19:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually owner is preserved, so it has to re-use the same file |
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| 19:11.54 | scoopex | ich möchte 2-3 debian-packages via apache zum download anbieten...wie generiert man am schnellsten die passende verzeichnisstruktur bzw. die passenden indexfiles? |
| 19:12.01 | thewanderer1 | !de |
| 19:12.01 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 19:12.32 | scoopex | sorry :-) |
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| 19:24.00 | ttuttle|laptop | Hi. I have a vps with prgmr.com, and it had lenny. I tried upgrading to squeeze, and it seems to have worked, except when I reboot, the initramfs halts because it can't find /dev/disk/by-label/PRGMRDISK1. The Xen virtual disks are in /proc/partitions, but for some reason udev or something is not creating nodes and symlinks in /dev. What should I do? |
| 19:24.31 | ttuttle|laptop | It does say, before that: "W: devtmpfs not available, falling back to tmpfs for /dev" |
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| 19:24.59 | JyZyXEL | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when green line hits 0 squeeze releases? |
| 19:25.00 | nsadmin | squeeze for a server, huh? |
| 19:25.04 | ttuttle|laptop | w |
| 19:25.06 | ttuttle|laptop | *Well, |
| 19:25.14 | nsadmin | not really recommended |
| 19:25.14 | ttuttle|laptop | "server" is a relative term. It's my shell box, basically. |
| 19:25.37 | ttuttle|laptop | I understand that I get to keep both pieces if it breaks, but I expect that it is intended to boot. |
| 19:25.45 | nsadmin | why do you need squeeze again? |
| 19:25.58 | ttuttle|laptop | I want bitlbee 3.0. |
| 19:26.11 | nsadmin | is that all? |
| 19:26.12 | ttuttle|laptop | and I would rather just run all of squeeze than pull in a huge chunk of it but pretend I'm still running lenny. |
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| 19:27.29 | karlpinc | ,versions bitlbee |
| 19:27.30 | judd | Package bitlbee on i386 -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3; etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; sid: 3.0-1 |
| 19:27.42 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: would you have any idea why it's not making device nodes for my block devices? |
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| 19:27.56 | karlpinc | ttuttle|laptop: Sounds like you need to run sid. (Or did you port? |
| 19:27.58 | Bastihase | hi |
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| 19:28.10 | ttuttle|laptop | karlpinc: oh, hm. |
| 19:28.16 | Bastihase | i need help i have 2 network cards that will not working |
| 19:28.24 | ttuttle|laptop | karlpinc: well, I will fiddle with that once this boots >.< |
| 19:28.30 | karlpinc | !tell Bastihase about ask |
| 19:28.35 | nsadmin | actually why don't you try compiling biglbee |
| 19:28.41 | Bastihase | is the configuration correct? |
| 19:28.42 | Bastihase | http://paste.debian.net/98670/ |
| 19:28.53 | ttuttle|laptop | karlpinc: (hopefully what's in squeeze will satisfy the deps of the sid version of bitlbee) |
| 19:29.02 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: because I'm knee-deep in this already >.< |
| 19:29.08 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: I would like to get it working first. |
| 19:29.50 | nsadmin | this is a remote you're renting? |
| 19:29.57 | karlpinc | Bastihase: Looks ok, although the gateway can't be verified. How do you know it does not work? Can you ping the interfaces IP numbers? |
| 19:29.57 | ttuttle|laptop | it's a virtual server under Xen. |
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| 19:30.20 | nsadmin | a remote one? or within feet of you? |
| 19:30.25 | ttuttle|laptop | remote |
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| 19:30.30 | ttuttle|laptop | but I have a virtual serial console |
| 19:30.40 | ttuttle|laptop | and I can manually fidget with device nodes to get it to boot |
| 19:30.57 | ttuttle|laptop | but I want to fix the root problem, which is that my initramfs is not adding them. |
| 19:32.04 | Bastihase | karlpinc: yes ping works |
| 19:32.15 | Bastihase | not more :( |
| 19:32.53 | nsadmin | so you can boot it but you have to poke around for a few mins? |
| 19:33.13 | ttuttle|laptop | yeah |
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| 19:33.28 | BenLue | Salut together |
| 19:33.29 | thewanderer1 | Bastihase: you have 2 interfaces in the same network... this looks really bad |
| 19:33.30 | ttuttle|laptop | it can't find the root filesystem because nothing creates /dev/xvda*, /dev/xvde*, and /dev/disk/by-label/* |
| 19:33.42 | ttuttle|laptop | my guess is it's supposed to be running some udev stuff, but isn't |
| 19:33.55 | ttuttle|laptop | but I have no idea what to check. |
| 19:34.55 | nsadmin | I wonder if the remote will let you boot a different kernel |
| 19:35.01 | ttuttle|laptop | probably |
| 19:35.13 | ttuttle|laptop | I don't think the kernel is bad though. What would I use instead? |
| 19:35.27 | Bastihase | !dpkg search interfaces |
| 19:35.40 | nsadmin | if the answer is no, you might be stuck with the lenny kernel |
| 19:35.41 | BenLue | thewanderer1 can you give me a sample network config for 2 if Static ? |
| 19:35.45 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: it's running "Linux version 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 20:39:26 UTC 2009", which sounds reasonable? |
| 19:35.54 | ttuttle|laptop | oh, hmm |
| 19:36.03 | ttuttle|laptop | lemme interrupt grub and see what's in /boot |
| 19:36.05 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/uMbQ3hMM <-- why would my usb device (mp4 player) disconnect after about 5 seconds...it waits for "device to settle before scanning" then disconnects....I've googled my ass off, and nothing I've been able to find seems to help...this is on Squeeze...anyone have any suggestions? |
| 19:36.08 | Bastihase | !dpkg search interface |
| 19:36.11 | nsadmin | that does look like the lenny kernel |
| 19:37.32 | ttuttle|laptop | hmm |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | Bastihase: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:38.20 | ttuttle|laptop | okay, whatever it's booting from only has the old one |
| 19:38.32 | ttuttle|laptop | I assume that's my root disk :P |
| 19:38.45 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Why is that bad? (Useless probably, but....) |
| 19:38.53 | ttuttle|laptop | why would an old kernel keep udev from running though? |
| 19:39.00 | karlpinc | Bastihase: So can you ping the gateway? |
| 19:39.45 | nsadmin | there's some kind of connection between kernel version and udev version |
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| 19:40.23 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: would that make udev silently fail? |
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| 19:41.18 | BenLue | can anyone give me a sample config for configure 2 static interfaces |
| 19:41.22 | nsadmin | maybe you should try installing the older udev package |
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| 19:41.39 | BenLue | with the same Gateway |
| 19:41.41 | nsadmin | or talk to your provider |
| 19:42.25 | nsadmin | BenLue: what will be the addresses of each? |
| 19:43.02 | BenLue | Gateway: 192.168.2.1 eth1: 192.168.2.5 eth0: 192.168.2.6 |
| 19:43.16 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: it is bad because the result of routing when you have 2 paths with the same metric is undefined |
| 19:43.24 | ttuttle|laptop | figures linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 is worth a shot. |
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| 19:44.27 | abrotman | BenLue: you don't do that .. you just define one |
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| 19:46.20 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: kernel upgrade fixed it *\o/* |
| 19:46.23 | ttuttle|laptop | nsadmin: thanks for your help! |
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| 19:48.12 | BenLue | abchirk: can i use this Config? http://pastebin.com/dmi9vLwt |
| 19:49.11 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: So give them a different metric. |
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| 19:49.38 | karlpinc | BenLue: What are you really trying to do? Get twice the bandwidth? |
| 19:50.24 | BenLue | karlpinc: i need eth0 for pptpd |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | BenLue: i said no? |
| 19:52.51 | karlpinc | BenLue: So, you want to reserve 1 interface-worth-of-bandwidth for ppttd (which is relatively insecure) and the other for everything else, right? |
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| 19:54.17 | BenLue | right |
| 19:58.18 | frikinz | Is it possible to know if I am associated to an 802.11 a/b/g or n network? BitRate in iwconfig says 1 Mb while I have adapter and router that are n compliant. |
| 19:58.34 | karlpinc | BenLue: You have two choices. Use LACP (IEEE 802.3ad), if your network switch supports it, and impliment quality of service to restrict/allocate bandwidth. Or put two separate logical networks on your physical network. |
| 19:59.19 | karlpinc | BenLue: LACP is link-aggregation. Using two nics as one. |
| 20:00.19 | BenLue | ahh okay thanks |
| 20:00.22 | karlpinc | BenLue: Your gateway would have to support two logical networks should you choose that route. (I.E. 192.168.2.0/24 and 192.168.3.0/24.) |
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| 20:02.49 | BenLue | karlpinc also I.E eth0 = 192.168.2.0/24 eth1 = 192.168.3.0/24 |
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| 20:04.25 | nsadmin | BenLue, what kind of nics are these? |
| 20:04.51 | karlpinc | BenLue: That's what I ment. |
| 20:05.16 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about running a custom program on telnet? |
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| 20:05.36 | thewanderer1 | I'd basically like telnet clients to connect and see a ncurses window with something |
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| 20:06.05 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Use nc (netcat) for that sort of network service simulation. |
| 20:06.29 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Or if you're really serious, socat. |
| 20:06.30 | thewanderer1 | hm yeah, it won't multiplex though... |
| 20:06.39 | thewanderer1 | socat seems to be able to do multiplexing |
| 20:06.52 | nsadmin | first off... telnet is not recommended for the same reason ftp isn't |
| 20:06.57 | thewanderer1 | I know |
| 20:07.05 | thewanderer1 | I want to run an absolutely insecure service |
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| 20:07.40 | nsadmin | so Oliver Outsider telnets in, and what? |
| 20:07.43 | osmosis | the one thing I think gentoo and arch really have over debian is their use of ascii color in the CLI. |
| 20:08.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: and he should see an ncurses window or a text interface asking them what to do :P |
| 20:08.26 | nsadmin | so, no login/passwd? |
| 20:08.30 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:09.20 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/uMbQ3hMM <-- why would my usb device (mp4 player) disconnect after about 5 seconds...it waits for "device to settle before scanning" then disconnects....I've googled my ass off, and nothing I've been able to find seems to help...this is on Squeeze...anyone have any suggestions? |
| 20:09.33 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: Sansa? |
| 20:09.42 | WormFood | huh? |
| 20:09.42 | thewanderer1 | (or sth like that, brand name) |
| 20:09.45 | WormFood | no |
| 20:09.53 | thewanderer1 | do you have HAL installed? |
| 20:09.57 | WormFood | it is "mumu" |
| 20:10.10 | WormFood | as far as I know it is. I see it referenced in several places |
| 20:10.24 | thewanderer1 | for me, it was the culprit |
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| 20:10.35 | nsadmin | so I guess you'd have something other than telnetd listening on that port, and you're going to code that |
| 20:10.38 | pepsi` | how do i update lenny to squeeze? |
| 20:10.41 | thewanderer1 | it has some reported bugs which prevent Linux from recognizing those devices right... |
| 20:10.43 | WormFood | it is a Rock Chip based design, which seems to have problems with the default Linux settings |
| 20:10.52 | pepsi` | just modify apt.conf and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:10.59 | WormFood | but nothing I've found, seems to relate to my problem |
| 20:11.03 | thewanderer1 | pepsi`: sources.list |
| 20:11.04 | jhutchins_lt | pepsi`: sqeeze is not an upgrade, it's an experiment. |
| 20:11.08 | rww | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:11.08 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 20:11.10 | WormFood | thewanderer1, was your symptoms the same as mine? |
| 20:11.15 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: yeah. |
| 20:11.45 | nsadmin | not apt-get, aptitude |
| 20:11.50 | WormFood | what was the solution for you? do you have a web page as a reference or some keywords I can google for? |
| 20:12.06 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: you might want to look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1117410 |
| 20:12.41 | thewanderer1 | I haven't tested that, just removed HAL as I didn't really need it on Squeeze |
| 20:13.26 | karlpinc | pepsi`: Why do you want to upgrade? You know about backports and volatile.debian.org? |
| 20:13.56 | pepsi` | cause i dont want old packages |
| 20:13.57 | WormFood | thanks a lot thewanderer1...if that is the problem, then you've given me enough info to fix it. |
| 20:14.12 | karlpinc | pepsi`: And so why not use backports? |
| 20:14.15 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: I was just thinking that telnetd would faciliate passing ncurses over that |
| 20:14.36 | karlpinc | pepsi`: You can use what you want, but you should know your options. |
| 20:14.41 | WormFood | pepsi`, then I would suggest you use sid, since that is even newer packages than squeeze :P |
| 20:14.49 | pepsi` | karlpinc, ok.. so i 2 entries in sources.list.. deb and deb-src for squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 20:14.59 | pepsi` | i dont want it to be broken |
| 20:15.07 | WormFood | pepsi`, that is sarcasm, I don't suggest sid, since it breaks frequently |
| 20:15.25 | pepsi` | karlpinc, i think volatile was one of the things that apt complained about every time |
| 20:15.30 | pepsi` | it cant find it or something |
| 20:15.39 | karlpinc | pepsi`: Then you didn't do it right. |
| 20:15.41 | nsadmin | pepsi`, perhaps you want to build your own linux... like, from scratch |
| 20:15.47 | pepsi` | karlpinc, the installer did it |
| 20:15.59 | WormFood | so...if you don't want it to be broken, then why wouldn't you stick with stable+backports? |
| 20:16.00 | pepsi` | karlpinc, how do i do it right |
| 20:16.04 | pepsi` | what do i want to put in my sources.list? |
| 20:16.20 | thewanderer1 | points out that sidux is (aptwhatever now, can't remember the current name) is especially made for those suffering from SNS syndrome |
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| 20:16.41 | nsadmin | not sure. you're showing conflicting motivations |
| 20:17.03 | nsadmin | you want stability and yet untested packages |
| 20:17.11 | nsadmin | that would be a conflict |
| 20:17.13 | pepsi` | karlpinc, |
| 20:17.20 | thewanderer1 | pepsi`: visit http://backports.debian.org/ , read the introduction and the instructions and decide. |
| 20:17.37 | karlpinc | !lenny->squeeze |
| 20:17.49 | karlpinc | Humm. That didn't work. |
| 20:18.01 | pepsi` | what do i want in my sources.list for backports and volatile |
| 20:18.02 | WormFood | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:18.03 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 20:18.13 | nsadmin | someone already said that 098423089234 seconds ago! |
| 20:18.50 | karlpinc | pepsi`: The backports.debian.org site will talk you through it. Or /msg dpkg bdo |
| 20:18.53 | WormFood | I can't tell if pepsi` is a troll, or just really dumb/unobservant |
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| 20:19.08 | pepsi` | im just ignoring you |
| 20:19.20 | karlpinc | pepsi`: Then why should we not ignore you? |
| 20:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pepsi` about bpo |
| 20:19.42 | WormFood | pepsi`, your question has been answered, now please go away if you don't have any new questions. |
| 20:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pepsi` about volitile |
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| 20:20.44 | WormFood | notices the time is 4:20 am....time to smoke some weed and go to sleep...see ya'll l8r |
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| 20:21.01 | pepsi` | how do i select only the packages from backports that i want? |
| 20:21.19 | thewanderer1 | pepsi`: aptitude -t lenny-backports install packagename |
| 20:21.43 | frikinz | pepsi`: start aptitude without argument and search your package with / then select it and at the bottom, you will get the versions you can install |
| 20:22.04 | karlpinc | hates the aptitude curses interface. |
| 20:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: Does that list backports as well? |
| 20:22.11 | pepsi` | is there an easy way to do that with synaptic? |
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| 20:22.48 | ZeuZ | How can I check if a rule in iptables ruleset is being hit? |
| 20:23.16 | jhutchins_lt | ZeuZ: Tell it to log. |
| 20:23.28 | ZeuZ | Isn't there a way to check the counters for each rule? |
| 20:24.45 | nsadmin | isn't there netfilter docs? you seem to already know what you want, check the docs for how |
| 20:25.22 | jhutchins_lt | It's in the iptables docs. |
| 20:25.34 | ZeuZ | I've been looking for the past 15 minutes at the same document from frozen tux I've been reading since ever.. But I seem to be blown away enoujgh like to not find it |
| 20:26.22 | nsadmin | google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
| 20:27.36 | pepsi` | the backports page tells me to add pinning stuff to /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 20:27.43 | pepsi` | can i just create that file since it doesnt exist? |
| 20:28.29 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 20:34.58 | jhutchins | ZeuZ: Did you know you can search manpages? |
| 20:35.11 | jhutchins | pepsi`: Right. |
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| 20:36.11 | jhutchins | ZeuZ: Like man iptables;/counter;n;n;n |
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| 20:39.34 | pepsi` | jhutchins, how can i tell which packages have new versions available on backports? i can set backports as the preferred version and see which ones it wants to update, then switch back to lenny and install the ones i wanted, but thats clumsy |
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| 20:42.05 | Biganon | I have a very simple question... how can I restrain the use of certain programs to certain users ? |
| 20:42.26 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: for what purpose? |
| 20:42.31 | Biganon | like "wall" for example, which might become pretty annoying |
| 20:42.42 | Biganon | I don't want my users to be able to use it on my server on SH |
| 20:42.43 | Biganon | SSH* |
| 20:42.46 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: you disallow messages |
| 20:42.48 | nsadmin | don instal wal |
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| 20:42.53 | nsadmin | err don't install wall |
| 20:43.05 | Biganon | nsadmin: what if I was to need it ? |
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| 20:43.22 | Biganon | isn't it a "general" way to do so ? |
| 20:43.28 | nsadmin | you could restrict it to the root group or something |
| 20:43.35 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: normally you just have users set mesg n |
| 20:43.35 | Biganon | in the sudoers file for example |
| 20:43.40 | somiaj | you could confine all your ssh users into a chroot where they have limited abilities |
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| 20:43.50 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: and then only root can write to user's terminals |
| 20:44.19 | Biganon | dondelelcaro: well I'm on my server with a friend and both of us can use "wall" without sudoing |
| 20:44.26 | somiaj | Biganon: or as nsadmin suggested you could just set the file permisisons so only user of a paticular group can execute the binary |
| 20:44.37 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: sure, that's because wall is setgid tty |
| 20:44.42 | Biganon | somiaj: this might be the easiest way |
| 20:44.45 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: so if you don't want to be messaged, you go mesg n; |
| 20:44.48 | nsadmin | that would be a more general solution |
| 20:44.58 | Biganon | I see |
| 20:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: however, being able to be messaged is a rather useful thing, so wall is usually available |
| 20:45.18 | Biganon | (It might sound very basic but I've never had to preoccupy for such problems before) |
| 20:45.43 | nsadmin | oh, so people who are to use wall could be in the tty group and you then set wall 2750? |
| 20:45.50 | Biganon | dondelelcaro: yeah but a lousy user discovering while-loop isn't very pleasant :P |
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| 20:46.10 | dondelelcaro | Biganon: that's why you set mesg n; |
| 20:46.25 | dondelelcaro | it's not like you can't control whether or not people can write to your terminal |
| 20:46.51 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: no. tty is the group which owns ttys, and that allows wall and write to work |
| 20:47.10 | Biganon | dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip |
| 20:47.13 | Biganon | I din't know it |
| 20:47.34 | nsadmin | but if wall is setgid tty, then it has to have group tty, right? |
| 20:47.54 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: which it does... |
| 20:48.12 | nsadmin | another way of saying almost the same thing, is if you change the group on wall, you screw things up... right? |
| 20:48.19 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:49.31 | nsadmin | so he could then use that... if he put thw wallers in tty group and then take off the r and x from everyone-else, would that screw anything up? would that be viable? |
| 20:50.56 | nsadmin | that is chmod o-rwx $(which wall) |
| 20:51.42 | dondelelcaro | that's *not* how you set the permisions on executable binaries in Debian. |
| 20:51.58 | dondelelcaro | and you absolutely do not want people in the wall group |
| 20:52.03 | dondelelcaro | err, s/wall/tty/ |
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| 20:53.04 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: So what is the RIGHT way in Debian? |
| 20:53.19 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: man dpkg-statoverride; |
| 20:53.20 | Biganon | was about to ask |
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| 20:53.39 | dondelelcaro | if you change the permissions on a file which is managed by dpkg, the very next time you install it, its permissions will be changed back |
| 20:53.55 | dondelelcaro | and generally speaking, if you're thinking about changing the permissions, you're probably doing something wrong |
| 20:53.55 | nsadmin | "in debian"? ok, so if he upgrades and wall gets installed he would have to do it again, that's the debian-specific problem you're trying to avoid? |
| 20:54.12 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yes. |
| 20:54.26 | dondelelcaro | (this being #debian, of course) |
| 20:54.53 | jhutchins | More wanting to use the debian methods to solve it, since there may be more than one workable solution. |
| 20:55.25 | nsadmin | #debian has to remember that it's his machine tho. if this statoverride thing is a solution to that, great... |
| 20:55.41 | jhutchins | For instance Debian turns things on and off in /etc/defaults, while other systems just use the init tree. |
| 20:55.52 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: we do both, actually |
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| 20:56.25 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: Yes, while others use only the tree. |
| 20:56.33 | nsadmin | debian didn't always have an /etc/defaults... I think something else had it first |
| 20:56.45 | nsadmin | redhad or slack or something |
| 20:56.58 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: could be, though almost everyone uses it now |
| 20:58.13 | nsadmin | how is this upstart thing going? what filesystem changes is upstart influencing? |
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| 20:58.18 | streuner | wonders where dondelelcaro got this cute statements from :-) |
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| 20:58.51 | streuner | Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953 |
| 20:58.55 | darkkrai | When I enabled nvidia gfx support on debian lenny, anything (mouse, windows, icons) appears to have a smudge to the right |
| 20:59.00 | darkkrai | although, not as dark |
| 20:59.18 | darkkrai | I can verify that it was not like this before I enabled the drivers |
| 20:59.28 | nsadmin | a bright smudge? |
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| 21:02.45 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ? |
| 21:03.15 | darkkrai | no, it's like a shadow almost |
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| 21:03.33 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that quote is from eisenhower's cross of iron speach |
| 21:03.37 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, those people was just negative guys IMO |
| 21:04.08 | nsadmin | antimatter? |
| 21:04.24 | nsadmin | or just built upside down? |
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| 21:05.18 | puty | hi. one cuestion. i got tight vnc installed on my debian stable. working perfect. i would to like to connect over vnc installed on my mobile |
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| 21:05.50 | puty | but when i make connection i recive invalid url parameter |
| 21:06.16 | nsadmin | is waiting for the one cuestion |
| 21:06.19 | puty | any idea ? |
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| 21:06.42 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:06.57 | puty | thanks mans |
| 21:07.36 | puty | and sorry for my english ;D |
| 21:07.53 | jhutchins | pepsi`: I just saw your earlier question, did you figure it out? |
| 21:08.25 | karsten-nr | puty: You're spanish? There's debian-es |
| 21:08.50 | ZeuZ | What's wrong with this line: tc class add dev br0 parent 1 classid 1:1 cbq rate 256KBit allot 1514 prio 1 avpkt 1000 bounded ? The qdisc have been created, the output is: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 21:08.50 | puty | i'am slovak-spanish :) |
| 21:08.55 | jhutchins | puty: If you wanted us to tell you WHY the url was invalid you'd probably have to tell us what you used? |
| 21:09.13 | karsten-nr | puty: holy cow! |
| 21:09.52 | puty | i used ip and port |
| 21:10.05 | karsten-nr | puty: /msg dpkg <language> will often point you at a native-speaking channel, though I don't know how useful these are. Spanish is spoken many places. Slovakian/czech probably fewer. |
| 21:10.48 | puty | karsten-nr any problem with my present? |
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| 21:11.32 | karsten-nr | puty: I've got no problems with you being here, but if it's easier for you to write something else, you've got hte option. |
| 21:11.55 | nsadmin | puty: if you want, you can write english and be here; no one is trying to chase you anywhere, just if you're more comfortable speaking your native languae, that can be hangled |
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| 21:11.59 | nsadmin | handled |
| 21:12.28 | karsten-nr | nsadmin: I think we need a debian-typo |
| 21:12.41 | puty | yes thanks anyway prefer english |
| 21:12.53 | nsadmin | you mean a ##debian-typo? |
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| 21:14.00 | karsten-nr | nsadmin: and a ##debian-pedantic ;-) |
| 21:14.24 | ZeuZ | What's wrong with this line: tc class add dev br0 parent 1 classid 1:1 cbq rate 256KBit allot 1514 prio 1 avpkt 1000 bounded ? The qdisc have been created, the output is: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 21:14.41 | nsadmin | now THAT channel would be really full... |
| 21:15.05 | puty | vnc protocol should be the same for any kind of vnc program right? |
| 21:15.57 | puty | when i connect from another pc working well. just mobile connection fail |
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| 21:18.50 | thewanderer1 | VNC is a standard protocol |
| 21:19.11 | Cheery | I tried using XCB through python bindings while ago |
| 21:19.35 | Cheery | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/283292 |
| 21:19.56 | puty | thewanderer1 then where is the problem? |
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| 21:21.59 | thewanderer1 | puty: have you tried other clients? |
| 21:22.22 | puty | yes |
| 21:22.29 | puty | 2 clients |
| 21:22.36 | thewanderer1 | do connections from other clients work? |
| 21:22.37 | puty | the same problem |
| 21:22.39 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 21:22.50 | thewanderer1 | if it's the same problem, then it's a problem with the server |
| 21:22.51 | puty | other mobile client i mean |
| 21:22.56 | puty | no no |
| 21:22.59 | thewanderer1 | what about desktop clients? |
| 21:23.07 | puty | works fine |
| 21:23.21 | puty | desktop without problem |
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| 21:23.43 | helo | up 510 days |
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| 21:26.46 | puty | this mobile client works over java but i don't thing that's problem |
| 21:27.02 | puty | dont think |
| 21:27.04 | puty | :) |
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| 21:27.41 | ZeuZ | Ok, so my problem is I beleave near to be solved. http://pastebin.com/Q18DxZkA -> Produces no error, but won't work. The idea is mark the traffic from that IP (works) but then the qdisc and classes seem to take no effect, it should limit download to 256kbps -> 30kb/s, but does not. Anybody can take a look? |
| 21:28.04 | super_Anix | any can i install new driver for nvidia card while 195 not iving me the vdpau ..[its not working while its installed] |
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| 21:28.36 | super_Anix | i installed 256.44 by maually but its gone after upgrade .. |
| 21:28.40 | karlpinc | helo: Better reboot to get security patches into the kernel. |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | super_Anix: that's what happens when you install the driver from nvidia.com |
| 21:31.08 | karlpinc | !binary-only drivers |
| 21:31.09 | dpkg | it has been said that binary-only drivers is another name for <proprietary drivers>. There is a reason why people say "Use binary-only drivers, hate life." They make Linux less secure, less stable, and less flexible. See http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/kerneldriverstatement |
| 21:33.27 | super_Anix | karlpinc may be its less in way .. but still works .. 195 dont have cuda module for new 98 cards .. not work perfectly , even its not work properly with vdpau. |
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| 21:34.42 | super_Anix | is sid have the new driver in his repo. atlist is it work with vdpau .. |
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| 21:37.25 | super_Anix | btw is there any way i can fix my pcmanfm > pcmanfm: symbol lookup error: pcmanfm: undefined symbol: fm_path_new |
| 21:37.26 | NeoLobster | Anyone know if there's a way I can see which process is causing tons of writes to the syslog? |
| 21:37.48 | NeoLobster | seems every packet in and out of my server is going in kern.log |
| 21:38.00 | super_Anix | its working before upgrade |
| 21:40.12 | abrotman | NeoLobster: iptables |
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| 21:41.12 | NeoLobster | I uninstalled iptables |
| 21:41.17 | NeoLobster | and it's still going |
| 21:41.32 | ZeuZ | did you flush netfilter rules through iptables before uninstalling? |
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| 21:41.47 | ZeuZ | Just because there's no client for netfilter doesn't mean it'll flush the rules |
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| 21:43.16 | logictheo | Does anyone know if the only Creative Commons Attribution-only licenses hosted on debian ftp servers are 2.5 and 3.0? |
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| 21:45.16 | NeoLobster | ZeuZ: no, but I have now. that was the issue. It had an INPUT -j LOG and a FORWARD -j LOG in it too |
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| 21:45.18 | NeoLobster | that was the culprit |
| 21:45.27 | NeoLobster | didn't figure it out until disk filled up :-/ |
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| 21:46.24 | ZeuZ | NeoLobster, happens... |
| 21:47.25 | logictheo | or if CC-BY-2.5 is excluded and only CC-BY-3.0 is valid and recommended? |
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| 21:53.57 | laidback_01 | hello, have a mainboard with the Intel 82567LM-3 gigabit ethernet card on it. It's supposed to be supported by the e1000e module or driver. I've been trying for some time now, at the point of installing my own kernels since debian's don't appear to support it. I've compiled the latest stable, and that's working, the module does load, tells me the e1000e 0000:00:00:19.0 irq 19 for MSI/MSI-X is found, and that's the nic. It just never lets me have eth* |
| 21:53.58 | laidback_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.03 | laidback_01 | anyone have experience with something like this? |
| 21:55.41 | thewanderer1 | laidback_01: do you have the firmware installed? is the module loaded before udev? |
| 21:56.35 | laidback_01 | well, I've tried to install this kernel as a direct compile in the kernel - moduleless and it's the same behavior |
| 21:56.44 | laidback_01 | perhaps it's the firmware you are talking about. |
| 21:56.57 | thewanderer1 | alright... do you have firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 21:56.59 | laidback_01 | I'm not familiar with that part, I might need to do something to handle the firmware I guess. |
| 21:57.09 | laidback_01 | not that I know of. |
| 21:57.14 | thewanderer1 | as far as I can tell, my Intel GE didn't want to run without those |
| 21:57.18 | laidback_01 | I'll put another nic in there and load them then. |
| 21:57.25 | laidback_01 | Okay, thanks for the heads up on that. |
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| 21:57.29 | laidback_01 | will try it now. |
| 21:57.41 | Crell | Random question that I am always forgetting. How do I determine what package provided a given command? |
| 21:57.57 | thewanderer1 | !apt-file |
| 21:57.57 | dpkg | [apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 21:58.04 | Crell | Ah, thanks. |
| 21:58.24 | thewanderer1 | I am almost sure I did see eth* on my `ifconfig -a` list, though... might be different for you, laidback_01 |
| 21:59.03 | thewanderer1 | I recommend getting the most recent firmware package available - backports if possible and if on stable, squeeze otherwise |
| 21:59.08 | laidback_01 | yeah, all I get is lo on the list all device part. |
| 21:59.20 | laidback_01 | I've never dealt with firmware before, that is new to me, that's for sure. |
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| 22:02.00 | laidback_01 | now.... that's weird behavior... |
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| 22:02.30 | thewanderer1 | getting anything new? |
| 22:02.34 | laidback_01 | I attempted to put another nic on the mainboard and the system wouldn't boot |
| 22:02.44 | thewanderer1 | oh my penguin |
| 22:02.47 | laidback_01 | took it out, full power down and then another boot attempt |
| 22:02.51 | laidback_01 | and the nic came up fine |
| 22:03.00 | laidback_01 | now I did a reboot, and it's stuck at load the module |
| 22:03.22 | laidback_01 | seems to me this might be an acpi issue - power cycle fixes it, it's most likely going to be a power thing. |
| 22:03.33 | thewanderer1 | that's probable |
| 22:03.58 | thewanderer1 | just don't tell me this is an Intel reference motherboard, those have horrible ACPI, the worst I've seen :P |
| 22:04.52 | laidback_01 | I don't know if it's a reference, but it is an Intel DB34LD |
| 22:05.18 | laidback_01 | part of the executive series if that makes a difference |
| 22:05.23 | laidback_01 | just bought it yesterday. |
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| 22:07.06 | thewanderer1 | DB34LD doesn't ring any bell, sorry |
| 22:07.09 | laidback_01 | yeah, I disabled ACPI on it totally because of past experience with ACPI on intel mainboards.... but, never have seen a chip that seems to depend on it. guess I might have found one. |
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| 22:07.35 | thewanderer1 | any changes without ACPI? |
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| 22:11.53 | darkkrai | how do I make a liveusb from the command line? |
| 22:12.50 | laidback_01 | no... no, I compiled it originally without ACPI, now putting it back in. |
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| 22:13.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | which package contains the task lists? |
| 22:13.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | darkkrai: in what sense? |
| 22:13.46 | darkkrai | I wish to take an iso and burn it to a usb, making a live usb |
| 22:13.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | darkkrai: if using live-builder, try #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:13.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
| 22:14.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | darkkrai: a debian iso? you should be able to dd it into place |
| 22:14.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | darkkrai: if not try fusbi |
| 22:14.24 | darkkrai | its jolicloud |
| 22:14.32 | darkkrai | I already have an iso |
| 22:14.37 | darkkrai | its debian/ubuntu based |
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| 22:15.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | to answer my own question, tasksel{,-data] |
| 22:16.43 | darkkrai | says that I need libping12.so.0 |
| 22:16.49 | darkkrai | which I have... |
| 22:16.53 | darkkrai | but I'm 64 bit |
| 22:17.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps you should ask them how to install it |
| 22:17.48 | thewanderer1 | Jolicloud is really strange |
| 22:17.58 | thewanderer1 | a closed-source USB creator, closed-source system... |
| 22:18.02 | darkkrai | well, it's nothing to do with jolicloud |
| 22:18.08 | darkkrai | its for my little sister's netbook |
| 22:18.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: people still use that stuff? how odd |
| 22:18.22 | darkkrai | it's easy to use |
| 22:18.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | obviously *cough* |
| 22:18.34 | thewanderer1 | I'd surely try using UNetBootin to get that onto a USB drive |
| 22:19.12 | darkkrai | ./unetbootin-linux-494: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:19.49 | thewanderer1 | where did you get that? |
| 22:20.08 | thewanderer1 | can't you just apt-get install unetbootin? |
| 22:20.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps darkkrai for being a lying slacker and goes to get work done |
| 22:20.43 | thewanderer1 | besides, the website describes a way to use a Python script to do the job, just below the primary method... |
| 22:22.03 | darkkrai | ? |
| 22:22.24 | darkkrai | Package unetbootin is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:22.25 | darkkrai | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:22.25 | darkkrai | is only available from another source |
| 22:22.25 | darkkrai | E: Package unetbootin has no installation candidate |
| 22:22.25 | thewanderer1 | darkkrai: and this is an ISO that you can simply copy over with dd |
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| 22:22.36 | thewanderer1 | use dd |
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| 22:22.46 | darkkrai | sorry, forgot to pastesite |
| 22:22.46 | thewanderer1 | this is all that the stupid script does |
| 22:22.53 | thewanderer1 | use dd |
| 22:22.59 | darkkrai | okay |
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| 22:24.49 | laidback_01 | well... the addition of ACPI doesn't seem to be fixing the issue. nic still doesn't work. only got it to work after attempting to add that other nic. Guess I'll just get rid of this nic then. no biggie, just put a good ol 3com in there or a different intel. |
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| 22:27.51 | nsadmin | is there anything like a lsudev or lsdetectedhardware |
| 22:29.58 | jhutchins | nsadmin: lshw pretty much IS detected hardware. |
| 22:30.14 | jhutchins | nsadmin: If it's not detected, it's unlikely anything will list it. |
| 22:30.56 | nsadmin | oic, what about something that lists the hardware together with the decision udev made about what it's called |
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| 22:33.37 | nsadmin | I mean, isn't the part of udev that deals with devices in /dev about running mknod? |
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| 22:34.45 | laidback_01 | thewanderer1, turns out I needed to enable the PHY part in the kernel |
| 22:34.51 | laidback_01 | now the nic works perfectly |
| 22:34.55 | thewanderer1 | laidback_01: er, did you have it disabled? :D |
| 22:34.58 | laidback_01 | reboots take a second or so |
| 22:35.01 | thewanderer1 | nice one :P |
| 22:35.02 | laidback_01 | yeah, I did. |
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| 22:51.36 | nsadmin | something I thought could be useful, is a simple cmd line util that lists hardware that has named resources (like eth0, /dev/sda, /dev/volumegroup/logvolname, etc) that tells what hardware it is and what udev has named it |
| 22:52.03 | nsadmin | and optionally which udev rule file and which line in that file influences the naming for that device |
| 22:52.37 | nsadmin | but what I don't know yet is, is there enough information to do that without udeving again |
| 22:54.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | (i've not read up), would udevinfo help? |
| 22:54.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | may or may not count as simple |
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| 22:55.29 | nsadmin | it might :) I suppose I would write a wrapper if it's not simple enough |
| 22:55.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i don't know anything about it, other then that it exists |
| 22:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Do you know whether lshw already has that ability? It seems pretty thorough. |
| 22:57.27 | nsadmin | looking at it now... took me to the udevadm man page |
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| 22:57.43 | nsadmin | no, but I will look |
| 22:58.02 | nsadmin | one thing udevadm can do is --export-db |
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| 23:04.43 | nsadmin | how is udev related to sysfs? all I have so far, is it looks like udev reads sysfs |
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| 23:10.17 | xand | they share DNA |
| 23:11.41 | nsadmin | which is another way of saying "they're related"... |
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| 23:15.40 | darkkrai | how do I mount an sdcard? |
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| 23:16.44 | dondelelcaro | darkkrai: mount /dev/sdwhatever1 /mnt/somepath; or similar |
| 23:17.56 | MJennings | how do i turn on dma mode on my hdds? or check to see if it's already on |
| 23:18.15 | dondelelcaro | MJennings: unless you're dealing with ancient ide drives, its already on. |
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| 23:22.08 | Baba-B00ie | hello |
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| 23:23.14 | Baba-B00ie | quick question. i'm looking for some cool term software. i'm new to linux and rather not go from gui to gui. i want to learn up on the CLI. any good software. |
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| 23:24.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... |
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| 23:24.43 | MJennings | dondelelcaro: is there a command for it? someone is telling me to check that setting because i'm only getting 200KB/s when writing data to my hdds |
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| 23:29.28 | darkkrai | its not in any of the dev folders |
| 23:29.41 | darkkrai | its a SanDisck 2GB SD Card |
| 23:29.44 | darkkrai | *disk |
| 23:35.23 | jhutchins_lt | darkkrai: look at dmesg | tail just after you plug it in, see what it says. |
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| 23:36.19 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the syntax to make sed accept a $VARIABLE ? For example if I want to do LINEBR=TTT; cat textfile.log | sed '{:q;N;s/\n/_$LINEBR_/g;t q}' but even with an \escape it does not insert the value |
| 23:37.09 | nsadmin | you ok with the shell expanding the value? |
| 23:37.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps jpinx-eeepc for !uuoc |
| 23:37.50 | jpinx-eeepc | yea |
| 23:38.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Oi ! what am I being slapped for? |
| 23:38.16 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: cat | sed |
| 23:38.20 | nsadmin | if so, sed doesn't accept/expand the value, the shell does, and then sed runs with the argument with the value already expanded |
| 23:38.21 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: < sed |
| 23:38.45 | karsten-nr | !tell jpinx-eeepc about uuoc |
| 23:38.57 | nsadmin | it's more readable with the cat |
| 23:39.01 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I want to substitute newlines with characters |
| 23:39.23 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: tr -s '\n' 'some character' |
| 23:39.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Kamping_Kaiser: miaouw :P |
| 23:39.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx-eeepc: :p |
| 23:39.53 | nsadmin | so one thing you should know is the shell won't expand variables in '...' |
| 23:40.23 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yea - I gathered that, but I thought I could escape it somehow |
| 23:40.26 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: easy solution w/ shell expansion is: sed "expression with $VARIABLE" |
| 23:40.33 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: using double quotes, not singles. |
| 23:41.00 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten-nr: ah-ha - I didn't try doublequotes.... |
| 23:41.07 | nsadmin | '...' is the escapiest |
| 23:41.18 | nsadmin | I don't know that you can unescape |
| 23:41.34 | karsten-nr | jpinx-eeepc: and googling suggests that's the generally preferred solution. It's what I'd do. |
| 23:42.10 | jpinx-eeepc | doffs his hat to karsten-nr 's google-fu |
| 23:42.20 | nsadmin | the reason why you'd escape, for example, $SOMETHING, is because you DON'T want the $ to have its special shell meaning of "expand variable value" |
| 23:42.25 | jpinx-eeepc | I didn't find that |
| 23:42.47 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yea - it's reverse-escape really |
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| 23:43.29 | nsadmin | yes, and I don't know of any way to "reverse escape" , or unescape |
| 23:43.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll go and play with it again and try double-quotes too - thanks guys :) |
| 23:44.29 | MikePer | Hello. I got an ISA card and hoped to get informations about it in debian. Is there a way like lspci for ISA? |
| 23:46.30 | karsten-nr | MikePer: what kind of card? |
| 23:47.17 | karsten-nr | MikePer: Generally, ispnp: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-6.html |
| 23:47.53 | nsadmin | it might not be pnp |
| 23:48.10 | nsadmin | which means you will have to get its port and/or irq |
| 23:48.13 | karsten-nr | nsadmin: Correct, which is why I pointed at the HOWTO. |
| 23:48.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:48.28 | MikePer | It's an ISA twinax card |
| 23:48.39 | laidback_01 | thewanderer1, nevermind, this nic just doesn't work right. the more I try, the more flaky it is... putting a different nic in. sick of this. |
| 23:48.41 | karsten-nr | MikePer: Might also find it through BIOS configs. There's going to ba an address and IRQ. |
| 23:48.52 | karsten-nr | MikePer: which does what exactly? |
| 23:49.11 | MikePer | It's kind of a twinax nic |
| 23:49.18 | karsten-nr | MikePer: 5250 AS/400 terminal emulator? |
| 23:49.22 | MikePer | You can connect to twinax with it |
| 23:49.27 | MikePer | Yup |
| 23:49.37 | karsten-nr | MikePer: I have NFC what twinax is other than what Google told me 10 seconds ago. |
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| 23:50.15 | karsten-nr | MikePer: Read the howto. If you get stuck, ask here. I really don't know specifics in your case, though googling the card + linux may help you. |
| 23:50.25 | MikePer | Ah sorry. Well, twinax was used in AS/400 as a high speed serial connection |
| 23:50.41 | karsten-nr | MikePer: :) So I've gathered. |
| 23:50.58 | MikePer | Yes thank you. I could not find info on the card besides a sticker showing strange numbers |
| 23:51.06 | nsadmin | and you want to talk to an as400? |
| 23:51.38 | MikePer | Yes |
| 23:51.55 | MikePer | I own one but handling a real 5250 terminal is cumbersome |
| 23:52.07 | karsten-nr | MikePer: Searching card markings in Google is surprisingly effective. I'd recommend it. |
| 23:52.35 | nsadmin | are there lotsa jumpers on the card? |
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| 23:53.04 | MikePer | I tried that. I just saw that there is another sticker under the one I found but I fear I would tear it into pieces if I try to remove the upper one |
| 23:53.21 | MikePer | Yes there are DIP switches, 8 of them |
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| 23:54.18 | pablo | hi, does the web patch viewer works for somebody? |
| 23:55.28 | nsadmin | does the web patch viewer works for you? |
| 23:55.58 | pablo | nsadmin: no |
| 23:56.11 | nsadmin | so, it doesn't work... |
| 23:56.14 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 23:56.57 | pablo | nsadmin: The system is currently unavailable. Please wait for it to become available again. |
| 23:57.16 | pablo | nsadmin: it has been like that for some days now |
| 23:57.40 | nsadmin | what is saying that? |
| 23:58.18 | pablo | nsadmin: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/ppp/2.4.5-4 |