| 00:00.00 | nsadmin | since you're not necessarily looking to be compatible with anything else, there's nothing else to do |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | dclarke: ignore it |
| 00:00.23 | dclarke | nsadmin: sorry .. I don't understand you |
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| 00:00.30 | dclarke | abrotman: cool .. gnored ! |
| 00:01.00 | nsadmin | if you're not looking to get gcc of that version for any particular purpose, then any build would do |
| 00:01.17 | dclarke | abrotman: sure enough apt-file search stubs-32.h reports libc6-dev-i386 |
| 00:01.33 | nsadmin | just don't put it in system-wide places |
| 00:01.44 | dclarke | nsadmin: why not ? |
| 00:01.48 | abrotman | it's his system .. |
| 00:02.14 | TheHerbert | hi, I am new to debian. i installed a desktopless on a small machine. at the install routine i selected web server and sql database, it installed prostgresql, but I want mysql. with "dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql" tells me there are 3 mysql related packages. the mysql server doesnt seem to run, as "top" shows ... how do I know which packages are actually used, not just installed, and... |
| 00:02.16 | TheHerbert | ...how to start the mysql server? =) |
| 00:02.17 | nsadmin | you might interfere with debian packaging if you do; specifically if you set prefix=/usr |
| 00:02.33 | dclarke | nsadmin: I was going to place it in /usr/local/gcc4 to be sane |
| 00:02.53 | dclarke | I generally don't mess with the system muuch but I often build binutils etc and newer GNU tools |
| 00:03.04 | nsadmin | that sounds good... meaning --prefix=/usr/local/gcc4? |
| 00:03.33 | dclarke | well -prefix=/usr/local/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/usr/local |
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| 00:03.57 | dclarke | as well as fifty other options |
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| 00:04.03 | dclarke | well .. twenty at least |
| 00:04.08 | dclarke | ;-\ |
| 00:04.23 | nsadmin | you're free to build whichever binutils you want, and it's probable that the binutils that come with lenny will work fine |
| 00:04.39 | dclarke | daedalus:~# which as |
| 00:04.40 | dclarke | /usr/local/bin/as |
| 00:04.41 | nsadmin | as long as the build process can find it |
| 00:04.49 | dclarke | daedalus:~# as --version says GNU assembler (GNU Binutils) 2.20.1.20100303 |
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| 00:07.28 | dclarke | I have done this many times over the past fifteen years or so .. I was simply not accustomed to hitting a pure 64-bit system which was missing some headers |
| 00:07.46 | dclarke | also .. bizarre things happedn when I tried to build both 32-bit and 64-bit libs within GCC |
| 00:08.17 | dclarke | this --with-cpu-32=i386 --with-cpu-64=k8 --with-arch-32=i386 --with-arch-64=k8 should work ( it does on Solaris ) but fails here |
| 00:10.50 | dclarke | okay .. trying to bootstap again |
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| 00:10.59 | dclarke | crosses a finger or two |
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| 00:11.47 | dclarke | abrotman: thank you,over the years you have always been top notch |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | sorry! |
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| 00:16.19 | dclarke | tar-1.24.tar.gz was just released, if anyone is intersted, ( this has been a public service message ) |
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| 00:16.46 | Guest606 | what is tar-1.24? |
| 00:16.53 | Guest606 | the tarball untar baller? |
| 00:17.03 | dclarke | GNU tar |
| 00:17.46 | dclarke | however this is vastly superior : http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/star.html |
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| 00:18.45 | Guest606 | vasrtly sup[erior in what way? |
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| 00:19.20 | abrotman | Guest606: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 00:20.04 | dclarke | it handles compression on the fly, is multithreaded, reads anything and writes to nearly anything blistering fast. And strict compliance with documented standards |
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| 00:21.56 | dclarke | I have a question. I am not at all certain of the answer ore than religion or mysticism. How does Linux handle a mixed 32-bit and 64-bit environment? Can one have both 32-bit libs and 64-bit libs in the same system like Solaris does? |
| 00:22.17 | imaginaryman | yup |
| 00:22.29 | imaginaryman | your computer just dosnt know who it is |
| 00:22.34 | karsten | darkkrai: Cool, it didn't for me :( |
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| 00:22.42 | imaginaryman | split personalities with chroot |
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| 00:22.59 | imaginaryman | and black magic |
| 00:23.01 | nsadmin | well, you have a 64 bit kernel which already can handle 64 or 32 bit userland, you install 64b then install 32b libs in a specific place |
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| 00:23.58 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 00:23.58 | dpkg | hmm... multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 00:24.12 | dclarke | nsadmin: like into /usr/lib/i386 and then the runtime linker will automatically locate the libs or does one need RPATH data in the ELF headers ? |
| 00:25.31 | dclarke | reads http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch |
| 00:26.22 | nsadmin | I think it just works, but I' personally never done it |
| 00:26.25 | dclarke | pardon me folks .. c0ffee interrupt required |
| 00:27.17 | nsadmin | my service routine already ran to completion... waiting for donut supplement in order to reenable interrupts before returning |
| 00:27.20 | dclarke | swaps out to the c0ffee NMI |
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| 00:30.50 | Oleg_ | how stable is squeeze now? |
| 00:31.25 | dclarke | points Oleg_ at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire |
| 00:32.13 | johntramp | hi, what can i use to change volume levels within a script? |
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| 00:32.20 | Oleg_ | I know it's already frozen, but how stable is it? |
| 00:33.40 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: it changes daily, so it depends what you're using and what stable means for you. |
| 00:34.12 | Oleg_ | dondelelcaro, how can it change daily if it is already frozen? |
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| 00:36.59 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: because we're constantly fixing bugs and approving new packages to enter |
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| 00:37.35 | sigmonsays | How can I list what packages implement a virtual package? Ideally for use in pbuilder? |
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| 00:38.19 | thepro4ever | has anyone here played a game called dialogquiz? |
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| 00:44.46 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: grep-dctrl or similar will show it to you |
| 00:45.05 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsays: but you still need to specify a real package first in conjunction with that virtual package |
| 00:46.22 | sigmonsays | right on, thanks |
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| 00:54.26 | pocoyo | Closes: #456218 |
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| 00:55.17 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 00:56.18 | pocoyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.52 | jordanm | pocoyo: you would have to ask the maintainer |
| 00:58.39 | pocoyo | jordanm: Er... thx |
| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | , maint pidgin-libnotify |
| 00:58.54 | judd | Package pidgin-libnotify version 0.14-4 was uploaded by Varun Hiremath on 2010-01-24, last changed by Varun Hiremath and maintained by Varun Hiremath. |
| 00:59.40 | pocoyo | judd: bot? |
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| 01:00.46 | abrotman | yes, judd is a bot |
| 01:01.12 | `phiL | anyone got a idea about my problem with nullmailer / mailx? when trying to send a mail i get this error: http://pastebin.com/36y2sgnr |
| 01:01.40 | Anthro | I'm trying to find the info pages for GNU make. I don't seem to have them installed, and I can't figure out what package they are in. apt-cache search make-doc doesn't help. Suggestions? |
| 01:02.00 | jordanm | `phiL: looks like your system failed a dns query for defaulthost.defaultdomain. the error looks obvious |
| 01:02.23 | jordanm | `phiL: also, if "defaulthost.defaultdomain" should be your own machine, nullmailer does not do local delivery, and thus won't work |
| 01:02.58 | `phiL | right, but where can i set this root@defaulthost.defaultdomain to something else? |
| 01:03.03 | jordanm | !tell Anthro about gfdl |
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| 01:03.15 | jordanm | `phiL: set what? |
| 01:03.34 | pocoyo | anyone use the webkit plugins for pidgin? it always collapse when i select it in pluginsã i also re-compile the plugins. my pidgin version is Pidgin 2.7.3 (libpurple 2.7.3). |
| 01:03.47 | Anthro | jordanm: Sure, but that just means they should be in non-free, right? |
| 01:03.49 | jordanm | ,versions pidgin |
| 01:03.51 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1; sid: 2.7.4-2 |
| 01:04.19 | jordanm | Anthro: well, in some cases yes, but in others debian just wrote free manpages, which I think is the case with make |
| 01:04.24 | `phiL | nullmailer wants to send the mail from the adress root@defaulthost.defaultdomain i guess. and the smtp server doesnt accept this |
| 01:04.43 | `phiL | so where can i set some other sender adress |
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| 01:05.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hello everyone |
| 01:05.22 | jordanm | `phiL: that would be the From: field of the email header. what version of debian is this, and why are you not using a real MTA? |
| 01:05.37 | Anthro | jordanm: Well, the man page starts off with "For complete, current documentation, refer to the Info file make.info..." |
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| 01:05.52 | jordanm | ,file make.info |
| 01:05.56 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 01:06.03 | `phiL | its squeeze and a need only a small mta like that |
| 01:06.06 | pocoyo | ,help |
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| 01:06.08 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 01:06.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: i am using LXDE with Dual Monitor setup. The problem is unlike Gnome. If i use "Separate X Screen" from nvidia-settings. the other display is blank with just a mouse pointer , |
| 01:06.27 | jordanm | Anthro: looks like "make-doc" |
| 01:07.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | whereas fluxbox / gnome spawns a separate X session |
| 01:07.16 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: ask the channel, i have no idea |
| 01:07.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm |
| 01:07.29 | nsadmin | Anthro: or you can get the .texi file from the original make source\ |
| 01:07.34 | jordanm | I thought lxde used fluxbox. I would recommend using a good DE, like xfce4 instead :) |
| 01:07.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lxde uses openbox :S |
| 01:07.58 | jordanm | !tell Anthro about apt-file |
| 01:08.04 | Anthro | nsadmin: That's my fallback. |
| 01:08.16 | jordanm | Anthro: it is in non-free |
| 01:08.31 | Anthro | jordanm: I tried installing make-doc: "Package make-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 01:08.42 | jordanm | ,versions make-doc |
| 01:08.45 | judd | Package make-doc on i386 -- etch/non-free: 3.81-3; lenny/non-free: 3.81-4; sid/non-free: 3.81-5; squeeze/non-free: 3.81-5 |
| 01:09.01 | jordanm | Anthro: do you have non-free enabled? |
| 01:09.19 | Anthro | jordanm: D'oh! Only for backports for some reason. Let me fix that right now... |
| 01:10.48 | Anthro | jordanm: Clearly I am an idiot. I now have non-free in my sources.list and all is well. I can't even remember when (or why) I took it out. |
| 01:11.06 | Anthro | jordanm: Thanks for the help in tracking down my issue. |
| 01:11.12 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 01:27.10 | homecable | any one know how to fix the en_US.UTF-8 in debian testing |
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| 01:27.27 | homecable | so its not having weid A crap |
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| 01:28.34 | abrotman | in what? |
| 01:28.41 | homecable | testing |
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| 01:29.49 | abrotman | homecable: in what applicatoin? |
| 01:31.17 | homecable | wget shows some weid a thing when downloading a file |
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| 01:39.22 | imaginaryman | /dev/bus/usb is generated dynamically? So if I chmod 777 a device in it I would have full read write x to that device and it would not be a permanent change? |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | homecable: it's possible one of the components isn't utf clean |
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| 01:42.29 | jordanm | imaginaryman: /dev/ is populated by udev. generally, you never want to 777 anything |
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| 01:43.24 | imaginaryman | jordanm: I know I am poking around a VM I am trying to figure out how some things work |
| 01:44.14 | imaginaryman | jordanm: I was having a problem with passing usb devices to Virtualbox. |
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| 01:47.36 | NOMADICUS | Hello. How do I change the host name of debian? |
| 01:48.42 | n00ch | NOMADICUS: hostname hostname |
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| 01:48.54 | n00ch | NOMADICUS: "hostname mybox" |
| 01:48.58 | NOMADICUS | n00ch: Thanks. |
| 01:49.09 | n00ch | to change it permanently (on startup) edit /etc/hostname |
| 01:49.34 | NOMADICUS | n00ch: Understood. |
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| 02:09.24 | Killeroid | Hi, Im trying to install debian on my box using the netinstall image and I keep running into this error: "Debootstrap error Invalid release file: no entry for contrib/binary-i386/Packages" |
| 02:09.32 | Killeroid | Can anyone help? |
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| 02:10.28 | abrotman | using which netinst ?> |
| 02:10.55 | Killeroid | the latest version 5.0.6 |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | did you try another mirror? |
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| 02:11.51 | Killeroid | no, I dont know how to |
| 02:12.12 | Killeroid | can you give me a pointer/link to somewhere i can find how to do that |
| 02:12.14 | Killeroid | ? |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | when do you get that error ? |
| 02:12.58 | Killeroid | the "Install the base system" step |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | and then it asks you to pick a mirror correct? |
| 02:13.31 | Killeroid | no |
| 02:13.55 | Killeroid | i get the error once that step starts |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | and it won't let you skip ahead ? |
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| 02:16.18 | Killeroid | i get returned to the list of steps and the next one is set up users |
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| 02:20.43 | Killeroid | alright I'm going to restart the installation, |
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| 02:51.04 | cabble | need some on downloading a version of debian |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | some what? |
| 02:52.18 | cabble | hello |
| 02:52.28 | cabble | hello my friend |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | cabble: need some help what? |
| 02:53.28 | cabble | I want to download a version of debian, but i am stuck on picking a version |
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| 02:54.07 | cabble | not stuck, i do not know what version to download |
| 02:54.30 | slingr | well what kinda cpu do you have? |
| 02:55.25 | cabble | laptop, amd vision, 2010 |
| 02:55.37 | cabble | dual core |
| 02:55.40 | cabble | um |
| 02:56.14 | cabble | 300 gb |
| 02:56.21 | cabble | win7 |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | cabble: you want amd64 or i386 .. either will work |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:56.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | cabble: if you want to use binary-only stuff like flash or skype, you'd probably do better to pick i386 |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | if you create a separate /home/, you can switch later if you want pretty easily |
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| 03:00.02 | cabble | i went to both amd64 and i386 and it went another web page (Index of /debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/jigdo-cd) and now there is bunch of file links; jigdo, template, parent directory |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | you probably don't want jigdo .. use the netinst ISO |
| 03:01.35 | slingr | ^ |
| 03:01.46 | slingr | netinst ISO if you have a decently fast internet connection |
| 03:01.56 | slingr | or you can download the entire dvd and burn it all |
| 03:02.01 | cabble | ok i just hit small cd under small image file |
| 03:03.13 | cabble | something is downloading; about 132MB worth of download |
| 03:04.01 | cabble | I have dsl internet |
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| 03:53.36 | sweetpi | void--: dont pm me. if you have something to say, do it in the channel. |
| 03:53.54 | void-- | nobody talks here |
| 03:54.05 | void-- | i want to know |
| 03:54.31 | void-- | where shoud i keep the perl script to update my everydns ip |
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| 03:55.01 | void-- | what directory would be apropiate for that? |
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| 03:55.28 | peterrooney | void--: /usr/local/bin might be a good place to check out |
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| 03:55.48 | void-- | thank you peterrooney |
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| 03:55.52 | void-- | :) |
| 03:56.19 | peterrooney | void--: also, /usr/local/sbin might be more appropriate if it's meant for the system, not the users. |
| 03:56.37 | void-- | great |
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| 03:57.45 | void-- | thank you very much peterrooney |
| 03:58.23 | jordanm | void--: why not use the perl script for dynamic dns that is already packaged for debian? |
| 03:58.35 | jordanm | ,info dyndns |
| 03:58.36 | judd | No record of package 'dyndns' in lenny/i386. |
| 03:58.45 | jordanm | ,info dyndns --release squeeze |
| 03:58.47 | judd | Package dyndns (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: dynamic DNS (DDNS) update client implemented in Perl. Version: 2010.0301+gitdd160bd-1; Size: 73.8k; Installed: 296k; Homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/perl-dyndns |
| 03:59.05 | jordanm | its perl so that very easily backported |
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| 04:03.17 | void-- | i didn't know there was a debian package for that |
| 04:03.32 | void-- | i just downloaded the perl script from everydns |
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| 04:04.05 | void-- | i'm going to use everydns to keep my records |
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| 04:06.03 | WBC | Hello, I am on the download page and I chose 64bit... but the file is called amd64, but I'm using Intel 64bit. Will this be a problem? |
| 04:06.16 | nevyn | no. |
| 04:06.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, not unless you are using an itanium |
| 04:06.45 | WBC | so any modern Intel will work fine with amd64? |
| 04:07.02 | nevyn | WBC: the architecture is called amd64 ia32_e or x86_64 they're all the same (with some minor differences that don't bother anyone) |
| 04:07.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | any modern 64bit chip |
| 04:07.29 | WBC | well it's a weird name then to still call it "AMD 64" :P |
| 04:07.33 | WBC | but ok thanks! |
| 04:07.41 | nevyn | WBC: ANY is a big ask as intel make at least 2 maybe 3 64bit architectures IA64 (itanium) |
| 04:08.27 | nevyn | WBC: why? amd were first to market with a 64bit extension to x86 |
| 04:08.54 | WBC | true |
| 04:09.09 | WBC | would probably remove some confusion I guess |
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| 04:23.21 | NOMADICUS | mcfishenburger: Hello? |
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| 04:23.39 | mcfishenburger | NOMADICUS: word |
| 04:23.56 | NOMADICUS | YO! |
| 04:24.24 | rww | talking to yourself is a sign of madness :( |
| 04:24.43 | HermanDE | Only in a world *with* ears. |
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| 04:31.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is there any official package for the free linux-libre blob free kernel? |
| 04:32.15 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Why not just use the signed ones from fsfla? |
| 04:33.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | are there any deb packages ? dont want to take the pain to recompile |
| 04:33.17 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I think there are, on the fsfla site/ftp. |
| 04:33.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 04:35.58 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the debian kernel is already blob free, as of squeeze, so the linux-libre has not point in debian |
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| 04:36.34 | jordanm | thats why people have to install firmware from non-free whereas they do not have to in many other distros |
| 04:36.41 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index#downloads |
| 04:36.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: thanks |
| 04:37.21 | trebuchet | jordanm: So that means a lot of people's hardware will not work during installation, only until they grab non-free? |
| 04:37.51 | jordanm | trebuchet: right. the installer allows loading of the non-free firmware off a usb drive for those who need it |
| 04:38.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thats great |
| 04:38.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i just don't want some useless blobs sitting |
| 04:38.14 | jordanm | trebuchet: there is also a dev that releases 3rd party installers that includes the firmware and newer kernels |
| 04:38.16 | trebuchet | Sounds like a cool compromise. Not sure why I'd use gNewSense now. |
| 04:38.19 | jordanm | !tell trebuchet about kmuto |
| 04:38.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the only non-free stuffs i use is the nvidia driver and flash |
| 04:38.40 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: That sort of completely ruins the point of running linux-libre. |
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| 04:39.05 | jordanm | sh4d3sl4y3r_: yeah.. especially the nvidia driver. that "taints" your kernel, meaning upstream won't bother to look at your bug reports |
| 04:39.08 | trebuchet | If you care about freedom enough to not run binary firmware, then it is sort of strange to have non-free software running on your CPU. Especially flash/nvidia. |
| 04:39.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its ok |
| 04:39.24 | trebuchet | NO IT ISNT YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD |
| 04:39.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | trebuchet : i wouldnt run them. if nouveau had 3d support. and gnash didnt eat up my cpu 100% |
| 04:39.46 | jordanm | lets keep it civil |
| 04:40.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | still 2 non-free binaries are better than 100 blobs.. what i think |
| 04:40.22 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Hey do you play Tremulous? |
| 04:40.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i play urban terror |
| 04:40.34 | trebuchet | Wooot |
| 04:40.40 | trebuchet | I play both. |
| 04:40.43 | jordanm | openarena here |
| 04:40.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jordanm: try urban terror. |
| 04:40.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cool gam |
| 04:41.00 | trebuchet | Now that I have my new monitor I should try OpenArena again. |
| 04:41.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 04:41.37 | jordanm | honestly... I like the older version. but smvc did a very good job resolving incompatiblity issues with the new and older version |
| 04:42.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | one reason i prefer urt over open arena or others is. i dont like the alien genre |
| 04:42.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | urt has two teams. one the swats and other the red terrorists :P |
| 04:42.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | anyways no more off-topic talk |
| 04:42.43 | jordanm | quake arena was my first online shooter.. so it has the nostaligia effect for me |
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| 04:43.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok for me return to castle wolfenstein mp |
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| 04:44.39 | eft | do I have to keep loopback entry in /etc/hosts? ie 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:45.08 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 04:47.19 | eft | simonrvn: tx, so, should I put my machine's host name as an alias to 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 04:48.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | trebuchet: it seems fsfla is providing the lenny kernel. not testing |
| 04:48.41 | trebuchet | sh4d3sl4y3r_: That is because testing is testing and not stable yet :O |
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| 05:13.33 | crazygir | hiya! trying to install make errors out: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/make-dfsg/make_3.81-5_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80 |
| 05:14.01 | crazygir | I tried an apt update, as well as the --fix-missing flag, per apt's suggestions, neither worked |
| 05:14.05 | crazygir | am I missing something? |
| 05:14.28 | simonrvn | try re-running, else switch mirror |
| 05:14.40 | simonrvn | (re-running the install) |
| 05:18.26 | crazygir | simonrvn: same thing on reruns |
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| 05:19.07 | crazygir | simonrvn: might you be able to point me in the direction for where to find another appropriate mirror |
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| 05:21.38 | WormFood | crazygir, try changing your repository...that MAY help |
| 05:21.51 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 05:21.52 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 05:22.13 | crazygir | WormFood: MAY help? |
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| 05:22.29 | WormFood | maybe it won't help...try it an see :P |
| 05:22.30 | crazygir | seems like something is broken here on the repo/mirror, no? or am I br0ken? |
| 05:22.40 | crazygir | yep, trying |
| 05:22.45 | WormFood | I suspect if you change it, it will work |
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| 05:27.33 | crazygir | hah.. I added a canadian mirror, updated apt, and re-ran the install.. the us mirror now works :) |
| 05:27.59 | WormFood | I've had similar problems |
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| 05:35.18 | crazygir | how the hell does this make sense? splunk:~/nginx-0.8.53# adduser |
| 05:35.19 | crazygir | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 05:35.23 | crazygir | oops.. |
| 05:35.28 | crazygir | sorry, wrong paste :P |
| 05:35.35 | crazygir | splunk:~/nginx-0.8.53# adduser nginx |
| 05:35.36 | crazygir | adduser: The group `nginx' already exists. |
| 05:36.28 | rww | crazygir: adduser adds a group with the same name as the user by default. see the fourth paragraph under "Add a normal user" in the manpage |
| 05:36.59 | crazygir | ah, yes.. I see |
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| 05:39.54 | crazygir | thank you rww, I was (falsely) assuming I'd get an interactive script, given that useradd is noted as the "low-level" tool |
| 05:40.05 | crazygir | I should have read through the manpage more |
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| 06:07.50 | beardy | crazygir: You do get an interactive interface, if you add a user with a username NOT the same as an already existing group. |
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| 06:11.22 | crazygir | yea, I still needed to read the manpage (and trust that debian rocks better than other linux distros) |
| 06:11.29 | crazygir | i really needed --system :) |
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| 06:14.07 | not_david | hello gang, i recently updated squeeze today, and now at boot time it complains with the following; udev[236]: GOTO 'acl_end' has no matching label in: '/lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules' |
| 06:14.22 | not_david | how do i make it shutup? |
| 06:14.26 | zhaozhou | Is there a guide to Debian aimed at peeps already familiar to Linux? |
| 06:14.37 | zhaozhou | with, even. |
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| 06:16.03 | lxsameer | hi , can any one give me an example for --exclude parameter of debmirror ? |
| 06:17.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | lxsameer: do you have an question about it? not working? |
| 06:19.26 | epsilon | lxsameer: just regexp of files/dir you don't want |
| 06:19.34 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, no i use that but those packages still downloading |
| 06:19.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | lxsameer: can you show us your regex? |
| 06:19.49 | lxsameer | epsilon, i seebut ^ |
| 06:20.33 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah --exclude='*-openvz-*' |
| 06:20.59 | epsilon | --exclude *-openvz-* |
| 06:21.25 | epsilon | at lwast in rsync synthax |
| 06:22.16 | lxsameer | epsilon, i read in the debmirror man page '--exclude=regex' , let me try |
| 06:22.57 | epsilon | don't think you need the ' |
| 06:23.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | he will if his shell expands * |
| 06:24.00 | epsilon | he want it to expand |
| 06:24.06 | epsilon | ' may prevent it |
| 06:24.43 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, i try without ' too but it's not working |
| 06:25.12 | mjmt | If it's supposed to be a regex, then it should be '.*-openvz-.*' |
| 06:25.57 | lxsameer | mjmt, why . ? |
| 06:26.54 | mjmt | . means any character, * means 0 or more of them. |
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| 06:29.01 | mjmt | * means 0 or more of the preceding expression, I should say. |
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| 06:37.18 | epsilon | no, usualy regexp in rsync/ls etc isn't that restricted. * should be enough |
| 06:38.14 | joltcan | rsync exclude uses some wildcards, it doesn't use regexps, so you are all right |
| 06:38.17 | mjmt | rsync --exclude doesn't take a regex. |
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| 06:39.02 | Dewi | rsync only uses regexp on --regexp and --iregexp I believe |
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| 06:39.18 | Dewi | so if you actually want that, negate with --not |
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| 06:39.29 | Dewi | er... oops, I'm thinking of 'find; |
| 06:39.30 | Dewi | ' |
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| 06:41.13 | Obligatory | Just spent an hour fixing up a CD for a car trip in 'k3b' -- used 'k3b' years ago it was great. But v2.0.1 is crippled, can't play anything. Best alternatives? |
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| 06:41.38 | Obligatory | ahem, s/fixing/failing at fixing/ |
| 06:41.42 | crazygir | I've never had a problem |
| 06:41.49 | winstonw | hi, what package has printf(3) and friends? |
| 06:41.54 | winstonw | manpages I mean |
| 06:42.18 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
| 06:42.22 | mjmt | Obligatory: Brasero? Last I tried it was a bit basic, but it might've improved since. |
| 06:42.32 | Dewi | winstonw: coreutils? |
| 06:42.39 | Dewi | oh, disregard |
| 06:42.42 | winstonw | :-) |
| 06:42.48 | winstonw | thanks simonrvn :-) |
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| 06:45.09 | trebuchet | Obligatory: cdrtools |
| 06:45.16 | Obligatory | mjmt, OK trying brasero. Unbelievably it too can't play files... |
| 06:45.27 | Obligatory | trebuchet, GUI? |
| 06:45.45 | trebuchet | xcdroast |
| 06:46.08 | mjmt | Obligatory: Though your k3b experience might be because you're missing some of the external programs it uses. |
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| 06:47.29 | Dewi | Obligatory: what are you trying to play? |
| 06:47.46 | Obligatory | mjmt, I thought so too but no, it's a known bug. http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/k3b/2010-February/000007.html |
| 06:48.39 | Obligatory | Dewi, various music files. There's this nice GUI for CD burning -- used to play years ago, not in 2010. |
| 06:49.30 | Obligatory | trebuchet, xcdroast, I'll check... |
| 06:49.33 | Dewi | Obligatory: lots of music formats have licensing issues that cause them to not play out of the box on independent & careful distros like debian |
| 06:49.53 | Dewi | Obligatory: there is a debian-multimedia project though |
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| 06:51.29 | Obligatory | Dewi, thanks, but I can play virtually any file. It's 'k3b' that can't. |
| 06:52.37 | Obligatory | trebuchet, xcdroast fails with what seems to be a 'wodim' permission issue. Please, what's your 'wodim' permission look like? |
| 06:53.01 | mjmt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359108 Oct 18 23:39 /usr/bin/wodim |
| 06:53.23 | trebuchet | Obligatory: You may not be in the cdrom group, or something. I don't use xcdroast, and I don't use cdrkit/wodim. |
| 06:53.36 | Obligatory | mjmt, mine too. |
| 06:54.06 | Obligatory | trebuchet, no I'm in the cdrom group, might be something else though, lets see... |
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| 06:57.12 | et | epsilon: no, he doesn't want it to expand. |
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| 06:57.41 | Obligatory | trebuchet, no it seems this too is an unfixed bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523639 Bad luck tonight! |
| 06:57.53 | et | epsilon: or rather, he wants rsync to expand it on the remote side and not his shell on the local side |
| 06:57.54 | Obligatory | What are the odds... |
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| 06:59.59 | Obligatory | OK, k3b, brasero, xcdroast, all not happening, next... |
| 07:00.23 | trebuchet | Obligatory: You could use the command line. |
| 07:00.25 | trebuchet | For a bit. |
| 07:02.53 | Obligatory | trebuchet, too hurried -- I want to save time with a GUI to think of the details for me. I agree with you in principle though, about learning low level, then high level... |
| 07:03.10 | Dewi | Obligatory: is there a common system that collects the codecs into a single API? |
| 07:03.19 | Dewi | Obligatory: for video there's gstreamer and... another one I can't remember |
| 07:03.22 | Dewi | do they do audio too? |
| 07:03.26 | trebuchet | Obligatory: It isn't really low level. It is automagical now, you don't have to worry about stuff like with 1x scsi cd burners |
| 07:03.32 | Dewi | if so that might be a good thing to search against |
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| 07:05.38 | Obligatory | trebuchet, well what I really want is a decent playlist editor (which can play) add up the time left (or exceeded) on the CDR, and normalizes, and does those CD tag thingees. |
| 07:05.54 | Obligatory | s/tag/info tag/ |
| 07:06.53 | Dewi | Obligatory: some media players can probably do that... |
| 07:07.37 | Dewi | peak normalization won't produce a consistent loudness; you might want to look into replaygain |
| 07:08.03 | Obligatory | wow 'graveman' can't play either... |
| 07:08.34 | Obligatory | Dewi, tnx. |
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| 07:14.55 | Obligatory | And 'gnomebaker' can play, yay... unfortunately it can't do much else, it's from 2008 and bitrotted and useless. Plays though. |
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| 07:16.21 | Obligatory | I suppose I could just work with an old bootCD... that'd do, but man I'm surprised by Debian today... |
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| 07:19.59 | Obligatory | 'xfburn' has no play function also. Cheeseshop. |
| 07:20.09 | dean[w] | Hi folks. What's the best way of setting up php5.3 alongside apache on Debian 5. php5 package is only 5.2 :( |
| 07:20.18 | dean[w] | Please don't say build ;-( |
| 07:20.40 | Dewi | dean[w]: checked backports? |
| 07:21.15 | BenNZ | im having trouble its not going any further then ' setting up linux-libc-dev (2.6.32-26) what should i do? |
| 07:21.29 | dean[w] | Dewi, nope. I heard something about dotdeb having them, but im not sure how to view all packages that source offers |
| 07:21.47 | simonrvn | don't use dotdeb stuff |
| 07:21.58 | BenNZ | i mean trouble updating |
| 07:22.25 | Dewi | dean[w]: backports is officially part of debian now (and was always a bit better than dotdeb IMO) |
| 07:22.38 | BenNZ | is it safe to kill the process? |
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| 07:22.42 | dean[w] | simonrvn, why not? |
| 07:22.46 | Dewi | dean[w]: unfortunately can't see any PHP5 in there right now for whatever reason |
| 07:23.17 | Dewi | dean[w]: you could build from the squeeze source package |
| 07:23.23 | Dewi | !ssb |
| 07:23.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:23.41 | dean[w] | I'd rather avoild building stuff if i can use a pre-maintained package Dewi. I'm still quite new to all this :) |
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| 07:25.26 | simonrvn | because they're broken and not updated |
| 07:25.31 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 07:25.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 07:26.09 | simonrvn | ^^ that is actually updated, and by the people who make the "regular" packages |
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| 07:26.18 | Dewi | dean[w]: yeah. Normally I would expect adding backports to your sources would be enough, but at the moment maybe there's a problem with the package or something |
| 07:26.50 | Dewi | dean[w]: so if you want it right away you should consider following the instructions I got the bot to spit at you. It might be as simple as 2 commands to build debs |
| 07:27.15 | Dewi | otherwise, there's a good chance PHP will show up on backports again |
| 07:27.56 | Dewi | I have no idea why it's not there now though |
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| 07:29.14 | simonrvn | security update |
| 07:29.38 | simonrvn | (just a guess, there) |
| 07:29.47 | dean[w] | simonrvn, debdot's packages look fairly regularly updated to me |
| 07:30.20 | dean[w] | php 5.3.3 is latest version and that's what's in dotdeb |
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| 07:30.45 | Dewi | dean[w]: maybe use it for now I guess |
| 07:31.02 | Dewi | dean[w]: backports is more official and well-tested nowadays tho, so look out for it |
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| 07:31.16 | dean[w] | but you're saying that 5.3 isn't in there right now? |
| 07:31.22 | Obligatory | Hmm, seems 'brasero' can play with 'Rightclick>open', no keystroke shortcut that I can see. Still, that should be enough to work with. |
| 07:31.29 | simonrvn | last time i used them they weren't. and yes, what Dewi just said |
| 07:31.33 | ffrank | hi. about the recent glibc issue - i tried the exploit in http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Oct/257, but this is what I got from a remote box: http://www.pastie.org/1246692 |
| 07:32.07 | Dewi | simonrvn: remind me how security works with BPO. How do I see if there's a php 5.3 in there? |
| 07:32.17 | ffrank | when i try it on my sid desktop, the xterm gets killed when i run the executable. does that mean my systems are safe? |
| 07:32.51 | simonrvn | ffrank: see the bts about that for glibc |
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| 07:33.52 | ffrank | simonrvn: what is a bts? (sorry for being dense) |
| 07:33.55 | simonrvn | well bpo doesn't have one tmk, but sec.d.o/testing/ gets it |
| 07:34.04 | simonrvn | debian's bug tracker |
| 07:34.31 | Dewi | simonrvn: yeah, this page doesn't mention bpo so I dunno http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/php5 |
| 07:35.01 | ffrank | simonrvn: i did, that is where i got this link. are you referring to the "questionable exploitability" mentioned? |
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| 07:35.08 | m4rtijn | hi all |
| 07:35.23 | m4rtijn | does anybody know a way how to check mails send from sendmail ? |
| 07:35.32 | m4rtijn | via ssh on debian |
| 07:35.52 | Dewi | m4rtijn: send one to yourself? |
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| 07:36.17 | ffrank | m4rtijn: locally delivered mails can be read with "mail", but "mutt" is preferable imo |
| 07:36.22 | simonrvn | ffrank: yes. but i agree with whomever said "better safe than sorry" (paraphrased) |
| 07:36.45 | ffrank | simonrvn: ok thanks. so i guess i shouldn't rely on my quick test |
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| 07:37.20 | Obligatory | Bye, night, thanks for the nags n' notions... |
| 07:37.24 | m4rtijn | ffrank: so if any mail had problems arriving.. i would see it in mutt... if I su www-data ? |
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| 07:38.13 | m4rtijn | Dewi: I did send cc to myself which works fine.. |
| 07:38.17 | ffrank | m4rtijn: no - i thought you wanted to read the mail you sendmail'd locally |
| 07:38.31 | Dewi | m4rtijn: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. |
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| 07:39.03 | ffrank | m4rtijn: just see /var/log/syslog, your MTA should leave a message about delivery errors |
| 07:39.36 | simonrvn | or /var/log/mail* |
| 07:39.42 | Dewi | ffrank, m4rtijn : yep. But email delivery first time is not guaranteed. With email you normally get a bounce message if it *wasn't* successful |
| 07:40.08 | Dewi | If you want positive confirmation, request a read receipt or ask somebody |
| 07:40.17 | Dewi | (the recipient) |
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| 07:41.01 | m4rtijn | okay.. thanks ! |
| 07:42.35 | ffrank | Dewi: right - hadn't thought of that |
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| 07:43.39 | Dewi | ffrank: I'm just being pedantic. /var/log/mail* does have heaps of detail and you should be able to see exactly what is or isn't happening |
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| 07:44.11 | malte | can anyone tell me, how debian/libgtk2.0-0.symbols (of the gtk+ package) works? For some parts of it I want to do the same on Gentoo, therefore I need to know what it does |
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| 07:45.34 | Dewi | malte: um... you could examine source package to see how it works |
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| 07:50.04 | malte | Dewi: how would I do that? |
| 07:50.35 | Dewi | malte: apt-get source <source-packagename> |
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| 07:50.56 | Dewi | malte: what are you trying to find out? |
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| 07:52.23 | Amnesia | all update-rc.d does is just linkind scripts from /etc/init.d/* to /etc/rc.*/* right? |
| 07:52.37 | Dewi | Amnesia: I believe so |
| 07:52.59 | malte | Dewi: I'm trying to port Ububtu's appmenu to Gentoo. I succeeded on the Qt part, but applying the GTK+ patch causes the build to fail. on #ayatana I got the hint that something in that file needed to be done in order for it to work on Ubuntu and that I'd have to do the same on Gentoo |
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| 07:54.17 | RichiH | !find gmake |
| 07:54.22 | Amnesia | Dewi: for some reason only scripts added by update-rc.d work and manual linking does not make:S |
| 07:54.39 | Dewi | malte: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 07:55.08 | Dewi | malte: on the right under "Debian Resources" there is a '.diff.gz' file |
| 07:55.39 | Dewi | malte: that is the diff that is applied to the original upstream source to prepare the source for building on debian |
| 07:55.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gmake' (7 of 15): (/usr/bin/logmake) in utils/logapp ;; (/usr/bin/kmk_gmake) in devel/kbuild ;; (/usr/share/a2ps/sheets/gmake.ssh) in text/a2ps ;; (/usr/lib/freebsd/gmake) in devel/freebsd-buildutils ;; (/usr/bin/pgmake-db) in perl/libmakefile-parser-perl ;; (/usr/share/cernlib/gmake) in devel/cernlib-base-dev ;; (/usr/bin/ngmakeidx) in non-free/electronics/ngspice. |
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| 07:56.06 | Dewi | Amnesia: hrm. Are you adding them to the right runlevel dir? |
| 07:56.12 | Amnesia | yep |
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| 07:57.14 | Dewi | Amnesia: are the links named with 'S' ? |
| 07:57.37 | Amnesia | yep |
| 07:57.37 | Amnesia | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 25 09:57 S02bitlbee -> ../init.d/bitlbee |
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| 07:57.43 | bocaneri | I went to the backports page, added the backports line in sources.list but still don't see virtualbox 3 when I fire up synaptic. What's wrong? |
| 07:57.55 | malte | Dewi: I already had a look at the ubuntu one but I couldn't find any relevant information |
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| 07:58.23 | Dewi | bocaneri: it defaults to a low priority |
| 07:58.36 | Amnesia | it seriously does not make sense |
| 07:58.37 | bocaneri | Which "it"? |
| 07:58.53 | Dewi | bocaneri: backports sources. |
| 07:59.14 | bocaneri | kk, trying the "pinning" thing in preferences. |
| 07:59.27 | Dewi | bocaneri: this is virtualbox-ose, yes? |
| 07:59.37 | bocaneri | Yes. |
| 07:59.48 | Dewi | bocaneri: you can run 'apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose' to see exactly what's available and what's selected |
| 08:00.08 | Dewi | bocaneri: you can override version selection without pinning but I don't know how to do it in synaptic |
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| 08:00.40 | bocaneri | Feh, synaptic is just a GUI front end to apt-get. I'll edit a config or two. |
| 08:00.42 | Dewi | bocaneri: at command line you can append version to the packagename: virtualbox-ose=3.2.4 |
| 08:01.03 | bocaneri | I'll try to remember that. What's "dkms", do you know? |
| 08:01.30 | Dewi | bocaneri: anyway, apt-cache policy lets you see all the versions in your DB. I dunno what dkms is |
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| 08:03.05 | linear | Why do some package versions not match up with the actual version number? ie I have the package "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" installed and uname -r is "2.6.32-5-amd64" as well.. but when i do "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64", it returns "Installed: 2.6.32-25". |
| 08:03.07 | malte | bocaneri: dkms is dynamic kernel module system, it recompiles kernel modules at build time, if nessecary |
| 08:03.31 | malte | bocarani: at boot time, not build time |
| 08:03.44 | bocaneri | I was about to say... I rarely build anything on debian. |
| 08:03.44 | malte | bocaneri: at boot time, not build time |
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| 08:05.21 | malte | @Dewi: I just realised that the file in question is probably ubuntu-specific |
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| 08:06.12 | malte | Dewi: so I guess I'll have to be asking somewhere else |
| 08:06.15 | Dewi | malte: probably works the same there, but I dunno how to navigate their packages web site |
| 08:06.32 | Dewi | (and nor will anyone here) |
| 08:06.44 | Dewi | s/know/talk about it/ |
| 08:06.48 | Dewi | :) |
| 08:06.55 | Amnesia | no one has any idea how this initscript issue is possible o0? |
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| 08:07.33 | Dewi | Amnesia: why not use update-rc.d ? |
| 08:07.41 | Amnesia | well I can |
| 08:07.57 | Amnesia | I just want to know why manual linking is not working |
| 08:08.03 | Amnesia | it does not make any sense right..? |
| 08:08.20 | Dewi | yeah, something must be wrong somewhere |
| 08:08.27 | Dewi | cause that's all that's needed |
| 08:08.35 | Amnesia | the link you mean? |
| 08:08.46 | Dewi | yeah |
| 08:08.52 | Amnesia | I've tried an absolute and relative path |
| 08:08.55 | Amnesia | no success with both.. |
| 08:09.00 | Amnesia | permissions are all set fine |
| 08:09.01 | Dewi | Amnesia: I checked that. Mine are all relative like yours |
| 08:09.10 | Dewi | did you link it in every runlevel? |
| 08:09.14 | Amnesia | no |
| 08:09.17 | Amnesia | only rc2.d |
| 08:09.35 | Dewi | the tool will link it with a 'K' in all the levels where it is not 'S' |
| 08:09.37 | Amnesia | that couldn't be the issue right:S? |
| 08:09.53 | Dewi | but I don't see why that would affect a single runlevel |
| 08:09.57 | Amnesia | uhu |
| 08:10.18 | Amnesia | @ lenny I've never had any issues with it |
| 08:10.24 | Dewi | how are you testing? rebooting? |
| 08:10.33 | Amnesia | yep |
| 08:10.42 | bocaneri | Nope. Synaptic still doesn't see VirtualBox 3, it still just sees VirtualBox 2. |
| 08:10.58 | Dewi | bocaneri: try installing from command line? |
| 08:11.01 | Amnesia | bocaneri: why not install it with a deb? |
| 08:11.12 | Dewi | Amnesia: it's in the repos |
| 08:11.22 | Amnesia | ah |
| 08:11.26 | Amnesia | thought only ose was:) |
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| 08:11.41 | Dewi | Amnesia: oh. Well I have no idea what that is |
| 08:11.48 | ttiicc | I'm know that firefox is replaced by iceweasle in debian, and this forced by licens issues. And then we got Epiphany which's gnomes own default browser. which one is the prefered one for you guys? |
| 08:11.51 | bocaneri | Yes, and I'm sticking with repos. I just like synaptic's interface because if you say "apt-cache search virtualbox", it'll hit you with a flood. |
| 08:11.59 | malte | Dewi: I'll just hope someone is answering on ubuntu-devel then |
| 08:12.01 | malte | cya |
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| 08:12.39 | Dewi | bocaneri: aptitude's full-screen text interface lists versions. Hit enter on a pacakge and scroll to the bottom of its listing |
| 08:12.54 | Dewi | bocaneri: it is ose you want right? |
| 08:12.57 | bocaneri | I've never used aptitude. This should be... interesting. |
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| 08:13.07 | bocaneri | Dewi, yea, it's OSE I want. |
| 08:13.11 | Amnesia | hm update-rc.d does add it to rl 2,3,4,5 |
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| 08:13.47 | Dewi | Amnesia: maybe you're not in the runlevel you think. i can never remember how to check |
| 08:13.57 | Amnesia | -> runlevel |
| 08:14.03 | Amnesia | :p |
| 08:14.07 | Amnesia | that isnt too hard to remember^^ |
| 08:14.12 | Dewi | heh, I don't have that command |
| 08:14.23 | Dewi | oh, root does |
| 08:14.23 | Amnesia | ah |
| 08:14.27 | Dewi | heh |
| 08:14.31 | Amnesia | ^^ |
| 08:14.35 | bocaneri | Aptitude can't see it, either. |
| 08:14.43 | bocaneri | Interesting interface, though. |
| 08:14.53 | Dewi | bocaneri: you did an update after editing sources.list right? |
| 08:15.02 | bocaneri | Sure did. |
| 08:15.04 | Dewi | bocaneri: 'apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose' |
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| 08:15.33 | Dewi | bocaneri: when I type that 2 versions come up, 3.2.4 and 1.6.6 |
| 08:16.17 | bocaneri | Yea, me, too. I get this for 3.2.4: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1 0 |
| 08:16.24 | bocaneri | Is that the whole thing, modules, guests and all? |
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| 08:16.36 | Dewi | bocaneri: 'candidate' shows which version is selected by preferences. It's normal for backports not to be candidate. |
| 08:16.57 | Dewi | bocaneri: which is why you can install 'virtualbox-ose=3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1' |
| 08:17.14 | jantje_ | does any one have a clue how long it will take to get 2.6.36 final into experimental? |
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| 08:17.36 | jantje_ | I'm waiting for an btrfs fix, but I don't want to compile it myself.. :) |
| 08:17.37 | Dewi | bocaneri: um, sort of. It has *-modules as a dependency |
| 08:17.49 | jantje_ | (go ahead and call me lazy!) |
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| 08:18.02 | Dewi | bocaneri: actually only a recommends, so you'd get it by default, but not if you've disabled installing dependencies |
| 08:18.15 | bocaneri | It'll suck in those dependencies? |
| 08:18.44 | Dewi | *if you've disabled installing recommends |
| 08:18.46 | Dewi | I meant |
| 08:20.01 | Dewi | bocaneri: yeah, it will install whatever it needs. Depending on the version limits you might get it from lenny or backports |
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| 08:20.25 | zhaozhou | Is there a guide to Debian aimed at peeps already familiar to Linux? |
| 08:20.35 | zhaozhou | with, even. heh. |
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| 08:21.01 | Dewi | zhaozhou: shrug. Debian *is* linux |
| 08:21.25 | Dewi | zhaozhou: it's as conventional a gnu/linux system as any other. |
| 08:21.27 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Let me rephrase. How does the debian do stuff different then say Gentoo. |
| 08:22.16 | Amnesia | zhaozhou: well let's start with the packagemanager:)? |
| 08:22.35 | bocaneri | I'm thinking I'm gonna give up on this and investigate kvm. |
| 08:22.35 | Dewi | zhaozhou: you could probably find guides for that. Most obvious difference is gonna be package management; debian's is focused on binaries and has a complex metadata system behind it |
| 08:22.50 | Amnesia | gentoo also doesn't use sysV initscripts anymore afaik |
| 08:22.58 | zhaozhou | More specifically, I'd like to know how to add repositories, create my own repository and also how I "should" install source packages (as opposed to just downloading and make/make install). |
| 08:23.05 | Dewi | bocaneri: it's just 'aptitude install virtualbox-ose=3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1' |
| 08:23.05 | bzed | and for gentoo you have to build every package on your machine to install it... |
| 08:23.16 | Amnesia | zhaozhou: check stow |
| 08:23.18 | Amnesia | :) |
| 08:24.06 | Dewi | zhaozhou: installing a source package is |
| 08:24.09 | Dewi | !ssb |
| 08:24.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 08:24.12 | bocaneri | Oh. |
| 08:24.21 | bocaneri | I had confused aptitude with apt-get. |
| 08:24.24 | zhaozhou | Amnesia: stow... Debian uses apt, right? Stow seems like a simple package manager to me. |
| 08:24.41 | zhaozhou | Some underlying functionality? |
| 08:24.50 | zhaozhou | Dewi: thank you |
| 08:25.01 | Amnesia | well it's just to keep software installed from source nice and ordered |
| 08:25.10 | bocaneri | Some of the folks I've talked with about gentoo (I've never even seen it) have suggested that gentoo *has* no package manager. |
| 08:25.20 | zhaozhou | Amnesia: Actually, that's pretty cool to know, I will most probably need that in the future. |
| 08:25.20 | Dewi | zhaozhou: dpkg is the low level, apt is the high level (user interaction & transport etc) |
| 08:25.35 | Amnesia | ;) I also recently discovered it:P |
| 08:25.39 | Amnesia | +1 for stow:P |
| 08:25.57 | Dewi | bocaneri: it kind of doesn't, but it does have a system (portage), which as I understand it is similar to a bsd ports tree? |
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| 08:26.22 | Amnesia | kinda yes |
| 08:26.37 | bocaneri | Something like that, as I understand it. I'll know more if this operation works. Virtuabox THIS 3.2.4 is coming in, but Virtualbox THAT 2.6.mumble is also coming in. |
| 08:27.04 | zhaozhou | I'll be even more specific as to what I want. This package: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bastille, is not in my repository. I'd like to know 1. what repo it is in and 2, how to add it. I'd rather not just download it to avoid dependency hell. |
| 08:27.25 | Dewi | bocaneri: if it's pulling in old stuff, it should only do so if it's believed to be compatible. You can always force it by installing more packages |
| 08:27.37 | Dewi | bocaneri: or using pinning (/etc/apt/preferences) |
| 08:27.56 | Dewi | zhaozhou: what version are you running? lenny is current stable |
| 08:27.56 | bocaneri | Did that, according to recommendation on the backports page: Pin-Priority 200 |
| 08:28.00 | Amnesia | zhaozhou: bastille is old:( |
| 08:28.29 | Dewi | zhaozhou: if you are running something older than lenny you should upgrade, because security updates stopped on the older one recently |
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| 08:28.54 | ali3n0 | can someone explain pinning in a few words? |
| 08:28.56 | zhaozhou | Dewi: I'm running lenny. :) |
| 08:29.20 | Dewi | ali3n0: it's changing the weights used to decide between different package options |
| 08:29.36 | bocaneri | Well, VBox 3.2.4 is using VDIs I'd created under 2.6.mumble, and PCBSD seems to be loading. |
| 08:29.47 | Dewi | ali3n0: priorities are given numbers and you can offset them |
| 08:29.53 | ali3n0 | Dewi, ah I see, tnx. I guess I have to learn how to use it one day ... |
| 08:29.53 | pallgone | why does inkscape not retain the maxmized state in squeeze? |
| 08:30.07 | zhaozhou | Amnesia: I'm just going to try it out. The installation is in a VirtualBox for me to try out different security implementations, bastille is just one of them. |
| 08:30.18 | Amnesia | ah k |
| 08:30.19 | ali3n0 | I just use to hold packages |
| 08:30.26 | Amnesia | manual hardening owns :) |
| 08:30.34 | ali3n0 | but looks much more flexible |
| 08:30.39 | Dewi | zhaozhou: you might need to issue 'sudo aptitude update' to get your database up to date |
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| 08:30.56 | Dewi | zhaozhou: but bastille is definitely available in lenny's repos as your link shows |
| 08:31.03 | zhaozhou | Amnesia: i'm definitely going to go down that road, yeah. |
| 08:32.04 | Dewi | zhaozhou: you could say that dpkg manages the graph of packages as they exist on your system, whereas apt deals with the full remote graph of every possible package, and that graph's relationship to yours |
| 08:32.05 | zhaozhou | Dewi: What's the repo address? I've got "security.debian.org lenny/updates main" and the source version of that in my sources.list |
| 08:32.25 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Aptitude... another interface? |
| 08:32.38 | Dewi | zhaozhou: that's only for security updates. You want base lenny repo also |
| 08:32.46 | segers_j | how much ram/swap does debian need? I'm asking because with 32M+128M apt-get update dies with an out of memory error. |
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| 08:32.58 | Dewi | zhaozhou: aptitude is just a newer thing comparable to apt-* |
| 08:33.49 | Amnesia | apt-* <3 |
| 08:33.52 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Right, gotcha. What's lenny's repo address? |
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| 08:34.10 | segers_j | and don't laugh, this is the only machine I have with a 5.25" floppy, and I want to play some of my oldschool games :) |
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| 08:34.59 | ali3n0 | zhaozhou, Have a look here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 08:35.27 | zhaozhou | ali3n0: Thank you. |
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| 08:35.54 | Dewi | zhaozhou: http://pastie.org/1246795 |
| 08:36.00 | bocaneri | Oh, great. I can't read pcbsd's ifconfig output, and the network interface isn't working. Time to find some more channels to harass. |
| 08:36.27 | Dewi | zhaozhou: that's base plus security and volatile, australian mirrors, all subrepos |
| 08:36.43 | segers_j | nevermind, I'm a retard that was a FAQ. sorry. |
| 08:36.49 | Dewi | zhaozhou: change the '.au' to your country code |
| 08:36.53 | zhaozhou | Dewi: And thank you as well. I'll read the sources.list in how to set up the mirrors. |
| 08:37.11 | zhaozhou | sources.list man page |
| 08:37.13 | zhaozhou | :) |
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| 08:38.13 | Dewi | zhaozhou: does your name refer to the buddhist master? |
| 08:38.39 | Dewi | zhaozhou: and are you chinese? |
| 08:38.40 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Yes. :) I 'borrowed' his name. |
| 08:38.44 | zhaozhou | Dewi: No, I'm swedish. |
| 08:39.02 | zhaozhou | I'm just quite fond of buddhism. |
| 08:39.14 | Dewi | godless swedes |
| 08:39.16 | Dewi | ^ joke |
| 08:39.54 | Dewi | ah I hate when the channel goes silent after I do that :P |
| 08:40.42 | Dewi | zhaozhou: one day I'll visit... |
| 08:41.10 | zhaozhou | haha |
| 08:41.27 | zhaozhou | < trying to copy-paste stuff into virtualbox without virtualbox modules |
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| 08:43.34 | zhaozhou | Also, thanks for helping me out. Quick question though, linux sources. Is there any debian package for this, or should I just get one from kernel.org? |
| 08:44.00 | Dewi | there are packages |
| 08:44.07 | Amnesia | hm |
| 08:44.15 | Dewi | dpkg --list | grep -i linux-image |
| 08:44.15 | dpkg | Dewi: are you using Windows? |
| 08:44.18 | Dewi | ^ your current kernel |
| 08:44.19 | Amnesia | I'm seriously planning to switch over from debian:/ |
| 08:44.43 | zhaozhou | Dewi: I don't want a precompiled image though, I just want the sources, so that I can compile one myself. |
| 08:44.56 | simonrvn | you can get that too |
| 08:45.02 | simonrvn | !apt-cache |
| 08:45.02 | dpkg | methinks apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
| 08:45.13 | Dewi | zhaozhou: yeah I just meant for reference, the sources have a parallel naming system under 'linux-source' |
| 08:45.13 | Amnesia | zhaozhou: linux-headers |
| 08:45.21 | Dewi | also linux-headers |
| 08:45.41 | Dewi | headers are needed for modules, source is needed for full kernel build |
| 08:45.52 | Amnesia | ah ofc |
| 08:45.57 | Amnesia | I;'m still a code noob;) |
| 08:46.11 | Dewi | zhaozhou: you might want to see 'make-kpkg' |
| 08:46.12 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Alright, thank you. |
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| 08:48.45 | wrksx | hi all, what's the difference beetween 'make' and 'make install' ? |
| 08:49.15 | zhaozhou | wrksx: 'make' compiles the code, 'make install' copies the compiled packages to it's intended places in your system. |
| 08:49.22 | simonrvn | wrksx: check the Makefile |
| 08:49.34 | zhaozhou | wrksx: i.e. puts your 'bash' executable in /usr/bin, and it's libraries in /usr/lib, etc. |
| 08:49.51 | wrksx | zhaozhou, so if I only use make, no files are created or altered outside of the sources dir ? |
| 08:49.57 | zhaozhou | wrksx: exactly. |
| 08:50.21 | wrksx | zhaozhou, cool thank you. |
| 08:50.44 | tdn | How do I allow some specific commands to be run with sudo without asking for password, while having other commands require passwords? |
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| 08:52.17 | ali3n0 | tdn, NOPASSWD: keyword |
| 08:52.19 | Boris | tdn the NOPASSWD field in the /etc/sudoers field |
| 08:52.22 | Dewi | wrksx: yep, you can run 'make' without being root |
| 08:52.25 | Boris | *file |
| 08:53.08 | Dewi | wrksx: a lot of packages also let you use ./configure --prefix='...' if you want 'make install' to target a different location, perhaps belonging to a non-root user |
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| 08:54.16 | wrksx | Dewi, thanks but my main problem was I needed to compile mysql but already got a runnin mysql on the server, so I didn't wanted 'make' to mess with my runnin system |
| 08:55.16 | Dewi | wrksx: yeah, it won't anyway |
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| 08:56.14 | Dewi | wrksx: of course you'll need to use a different port number if you ever want them running at the same time |
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| 08:56.53 | zhaozhou | Interesting that Aptitude wants to remove "alternatives" - it wish to remove my old logger daemon when I install a new one. |
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| 08:57.01 | zhaozhou | I don't know if I like it or not yet... |
| 08:57.12 | wrksx | Dewi, no no i just need to compile in order to create a plugin, then I'll delete the rest and plug it in my debian installed mysql ! |
| 08:57.22 | joel_ | Hi, i want to install Debian Lenny in my server, but i was wondering if there would be any problem if i put my root partition under LVM? |
| 08:57.28 | Dewi | zhaozhou: it assumes you don't want it if it came in as a dependency and nothing needs it anymore |
| 08:57.51 | Dewi | zhaozhou: that's called the 'auto' flag |
| 08:58.18 | zhaozhou | Dewi: Ah, there is a flag for it. That's neat. It just seems odd. Maybe I want to install it just to "test it out". |
| 08:58.20 | Dewi | zhaozhou: you can change it with 'unmarkauto' or '+' in the full-screen ui |
| 08:58.34 | zhaozhou | Does aptitude automatically delete configurations when it deletes packages? |
| 08:58.42 | Dewi | zhaozhou: anything you actually install will not be auto |
| 08:58.55 | Dewi | zhaozhou: it's only auto if something else pulled it in |
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| 08:59.15 | Dewi | zhaozhou: 'remove' does not, 'purge' does |
| 09:00.59 | dima__ | Hi everyone. I've got CONFIG_NO_HZ=y and CONFIG_HZ_100=y both set in my kernel config. Which one is taking effect? Do I have a "tickless" kernel? |
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| 09:02.34 | zhaozhou | dima__: If you have conflicting flags, or flags which need more variables set, then kernel would ask you to reconfigurate when you compile it. I'm not sure about those two though. |
| 09:03.50 | dima__ | I didn't try to compile the kernel. I've just read the config that came with the package |
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| 09:04.48 | dima__ | So, I guess those flags are not conflicting. |
| 09:06.16 | zhaozhou | dima__: Then I've no idea. |
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| 09:08.11 | tdn | ali3n0, ok, but how to make it apply only for specific commands? |
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| 09:08.52 | ali3n0 | tdn, you have to learn ebnf syntax |
| 09:08.53 | tdn | Say, I want to allow 'apt-get' without password. |
| 09:08.59 | ali3n0 | man 5 sudoers |
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| 09:09.14 | tdn | ali3n0, really? |
| 09:09.14 | ali3n0 | something like username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: command |
| 09:09.50 | ali3n0 | tdn, just if you have to do complex things I guess, for easy stuff you just need my line above |
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| 09:10.28 | wrksx | does I need the package 'libtool' in order to get 'libtoolize' command available ? |
| 09:10.30 | ali3n0 | tdn, in your question there's no mention to "who" has to do it |
| 09:11.23 | tdn | ali3n0, just some user 'foo', or some group 'sudo'. |
| 09:11.51 | ali3n0 | so, foo ALL= etc, or %sudo ALL= etc |
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| 09:12.17 | angel-tsankov | is looking for an mp3 tag editor |
| 09:12.39 | tdn | ali3n0, ok, so full line would be: '%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: apt-get' ? |
| 09:12.48 | tdn | angel-tsankov, try Juk. |
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| 09:13.12 | ali3n0 | from my sudoers: webmaster ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 09:13.17 | tdn | angel-tsankov, it is very nice if you need to process a large batch of files. Otherwise, if you need something to help you guess the tags, try picard. |
| 09:13.26 | tdn | ali3n0, ok. Thanks. |
| 09:13.31 | ali3n0 | tdn, better if you use the whole command |
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| 09:13.58 | tdn | ali3n0, hmm... Ok. But for commands like 'apt-get', I would like to allow any arguments to be passed. |
| 09:14.11 | wrksx | should I worry about this ?? $ sudo apt-file update |
| 09:14.11 | wrksx | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 09:14.33 | ali3n0 | tdn, should work, just use /usr/bin/apt-get as command |
| 09:14.41 | tdn | ali3n0, oh. Ok. |
| 09:14.46 | ali3n0 | just try it ;) |
| 09:14.50 | tdn | ali3n0, I will. Thanks. |
| 09:14.53 | ali3n0 | nop |
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| 09:19.41 | tdn | ali3n0, so, for multiple commands (say I want to allow hdparm and apt-get), I would have to add multiple lines? Or is there some way to specify multiple commands on same line? |
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| 09:20.38 | user99 | hi, is there a command that tells you uptime from previous logins? |
| 09:20.58 | ali3n0 | tdn, I guess is better you have a look at EBNF syntax, is not so hard. In short, you can have a list of commands in one line |
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| 09:21.21 | ali3n0 | but you can define more lines if you prefer, is up to you |
| 09:21.25 | tdn | ali3n0, ok. I figured that I probably could. However, it works with several lines, while it aint pretty. |
| 09:21.29 | tdn | ali3n0, ok. |
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| 09:22.08 | sep | i have managed to turn of the annoying ballon tooltips on the task manager, but there is still from the start button and other launchers on the panel, and also on the pager. how can i get rid of the balloon tips on those ? (alternativly get rid of _ALL_ balllon tool tips ?) |
| 09:22.32 | tdn | ali3n0, thanks for your help. I have been wanting to do this a long time. |
| 09:22.33 | sep | kde 4.4.5 in squeeze |
| 09:22.48 | ali3n0 | tdn, noprb |
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| 09:23.09 | ali3n0 | tdn, just remember to pay attention when you play with it, is't easy to open a big security hole |
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| 09:23.28 | wrksx | does ./configure modify something outside the sources dir |
| 09:23.32 | wrksx | ? |
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| 09:23.48 | tdn | ali3n0, yeah, I know. But I only give access to /bin/sh without password for all users, so I should be safe... |
| 09:23.53 | tdn | (just kidding) ;) |
| 09:23.59 | ali3n0 | eh eh |
| 09:24.31 | wrksx | Dewi, does ./configure will modify something outside the sources dir ? |
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| 09:26.54 | wrksx | zhaozhou, does ./configure will modify something outside the sources dir ? |
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| 09:45.47 | Dewi | wrksx: no, ./configure configures make |
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| 09:46.13 | wrksx | Dewi, perfect, I'm ready to go then. thanks a lot |
| 09:46.16 | Dewi | wrksx: 'make' does the build, and 'make install' installs it. Only the last one touches outside the build location |
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| 09:56.27 | zhaozhou | Why is X a dependancy for selinux? Seems... odd? |
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| 10:09.45 | wrksx | I got a package (mysql-server) installed from backports, but I'd also need the sources of it. Where can I grab it ? |
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| 10:13.35 | Dewi | wrksx: apt-get source |
| 10:13.54 | wrksx | Dewi, apt-get source mysql-server ? |
| 10:14.11 | wrksx | Dewi, where will it download it ? |
| 10:14.33 | Dewi | wrksx: current dir |
| 10:14.36 | wrksx | shouldn't I use -t lenny-backports since this is how I installed it ? |
| 10:14.45 | Dewi | wrksx: yes |
| 10:14.51 | wrksx | Dewi thx |
| 10:14.58 | Dewi | wrksx: source packages have slightly different names too sometimes |
| 10:15.32 | Dewi | wrksx: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mysql-server says it is 'mysql-5.1' |
| 10:15.55 | Dewi | apt-cache show would also tell you that |
| 10:16.12 | ov3rmind | nice morning ! |
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| 10:17.04 | wrksx | Dewi, E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list | where can I find the URI for backports sources ? |
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| 10:18.53 | Dewi | wrksx: sorry, I don't know. Try same as the binaries, with 'deb' changed to 'deb-src' at the start |
| 10:19.05 | wrksx | Dewi, ok thank you |
| 10:19.17 | Dewi | wrksx: very often that tends to work |
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| 10:19.34 | Pinchiukas | How can I find out when exactly an entry in dmesg happened? |
| 10:19.43 | Pinchiukas | Now all I see is: [7899045.395153] apache2[26593]: segfault at 7fffff7fd520 ip 7f35097a2faa sp 7fffff7fd500 error 6 in libphp5.so[7f35094ff000+587000] |
| 10:19.55 | wrksx | Dewi, it worked ! ;-) |
| 10:19.57 | Pinchiukas | And why could this be happening? |
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| 10:25.34 | wrksx | I downloaded sources of mysql-server but I got 3 files, .orig.tar.gz, ~bpo50+1.diff.gz and ~bpo50+1.dsc, what's that ? |
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| 10:27.05 | CharminTheMoose | wrksx, orig.tar.gz is the original source without any 'debian-ising' changes. The .diff.gz is the changes and the .dsc is a description of the package. |
| 10:27.47 | wrksx | CharminTheMoose, terminal tells me "Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed." |
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| 10:28.06 | wrksx | CharminTheMoose, if i install this will it automatically patch the file ? |
| 10:28.55 | CharminTheMoose | Hm |
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| 10:29.08 | CharminTheMoose | In all honesty, I couldn't tell you! :( |
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| 10:29.59 | CharminTheMoose | AFAICS, to patch the source, you need to untargz both the orig.tar.gz and the diff patch and then apply the diff patch |
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| 10:30.35 | CharminTheMoose | There's a one-liner for applying patches, but it escapes me atm. :C |
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| 10:33.19 | wrksx | CharminTheMoose, dpkg-dev did what I thought, it's pretty usefull. |
| 10:33.32 | wrksx | automatically extract and patch |
| 10:33.32 | CharminTheMoose | Oh nice! :D |
| 10:33.41 | wrksx | yep =) |
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| 10:36.45 | wrksx | I got this error while runin mysql-server-sources/BUILD/autorun.sh: |
| 10:36.45 | wrksx | configure.in:2906: required file `Docs/Makefile.in' not found |
| 10:36.46 | wrksx | Makefile.am:33: required directory ./Docs does not exist |
| 10:36.46 | wrksx | Can't execute automake |
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| 10:37.28 | wrksx | ouch |
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| 10:43.36 | Without | Hi, my chinese char name seems weird how to fix it? |
| 10:43.43 | Without | chinese filename. |
| 10:43.58 | SlayerXP | wrksx: why are you compiling mysql? what's wrong with the packages? |
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| 10:48.51 | f8l | Without: You probably need some fonts that support Chinese. |
| 10:49.29 | wrksx | SlayerXP, the package is compiled without the sphinxStorageEngine |
| 10:50.02 | wrksx | SlayerXP, I need to compile it and then to plug the comiled plugin into my runin (package version) mysql-server |
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| 10:50.31 | ProgVal | Hello |
| 10:51.01 | Without | f8l: where can i get the fonts? |
| 10:51.12 | wrksx | SlayerXP, but I suppose it should be compilable, isn't it ? |
| 10:52.02 | f8l | Without: From the repository. |
| 10:52.03 | SlayerXP | wrksx: i didn't know that engine existed, sphinx has it's own sql implementation that's packaged separately |
| 10:52.31 | wrksx | SlayerXP, I really need the storage engine |
| 10:52.58 | f8l | Without: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_(East_Asian)#Debian-based_GNU.2FLinux |
| 10:52.59 | wrksx | SlayerXP, I just miss the Docs/ dir i suppose. Where could I grab it ? |
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| 10:54.33 | SlayerXP | wrksx: I have no idea, sorry |
| 10:54.47 | wrksx | SlayerXP, ok thank you anyway |
| 10:54.59 | ProgVal | I have a wifi card that need a proprietary driver to work (it is called firmware-iwlwifi and is in non-free repository) |
| 10:55.17 | ProgVal | Here is the lspci info about the card : 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection |
| 10:55.40 | ProgVal | Do you know any libre/free driver for this card ? |
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| 10:58.20 | ov3rmind | anyone know if this proccess described in that article http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html#plain_master_mode_vs works on lenny, thks. |
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| 11:00.49 | wrksx | is there another debian channel for devs ? |
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| 11:02.21 | f8l | wrksx: Yes. |
| 11:02.49 | wrksx | f8l, which one? #debian-dev |
| 11:02.51 | wrksx | ? |
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| 11:03.17 | Bushmills | lukosanthropos, just, "help", or "i can't get this or that functioning, even though i did what the docs told me to"? |
| 11:03.48 | lukosanthropos | The latter |
| 11:04.02 | f8l | wrksx: #debian-devel, but I don't know if it is what you are looking for. |
| 11:04.03 | jelly | wrksx: there's a multitude of debian channels on that other irc network, irc.oftc.net. What are you looking for in particular? |
| 11:04.13 | hetOrakel | hi, i have a usb packard bell Carbon 1Tb, but can't get the read-spead over 5Mb my other 1Tb (hitachi drive in fantec case) does over 25Mb on the same cable/hub. The packard bell used to be faster, but i don't have any clues about the changes. Someone an idea how to start? |
| 11:04.16 | Bushmills | then i think folks here wil be curious to learn what you can't seem to get operational. |
| 11:04.24 | ondrejk | hello, it looks like networking via tap on debian lenny is not working for me, i have loaded needed modules and it is still not working... |
| 11:04.42 | Bushmills | just don't expect them to extract the details from you |
| 11:04.46 | wrksx | jelly, lookin for help about an error while tryin to compile mysql-server sources, patched with debians diff. |
| 11:04.51 | Jarlaxe | hi ervery one ! i come back with my nat problem. I have 2 pc under squeeze, A connected to the net, B connect through A. Usually i use those steps http://paste.debian.net/98027/ and it works, but now something is wrong, a ping test on B starts but loses all paquets. Any idea ? |
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| 11:05.31 | Bushmills | jareth_, forwarding and masquerading needed |
| 11:05.39 | jelly | wrksx: you can try asking here. can you pastebin the whole output and the build command you used? |
| 11:05.46 | f8l | wrksx: #mysql ? |
| 11:05.58 | jelly | wrksx: which debian release are you building for, and which sources did you get? |
| 11:05.58 | Bushmills | (and A set as gateway to the net for B) |
| 11:06.11 | wrksx | f8l, since sources had been modified by debian they don't support it. |
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| 11:06.28 | Bushmills | s/jareth_/Jarlaxe/ |
| 11:06.31 | jelly | f8l: that doesn't seem reasonable since upstream channels often frown on distro-specific issues |
| 11:06.38 | wrksx | jelly, error is -> http://pastie.org/1246976 |
| 11:07.05 | f8l | wrksx, jelly: Right. |
| 11:07.17 | jelly | wrksx: is that the complete output? Have you done a build-dep? |
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| 11:07.35 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: yes A set up as gateway for B. in command line i uses there are forwarding and masquerade |
| 11:07.36 | wrksx | jelly, I ran 'sh BUILD/autorun.sh' |
| 11:07.43 | Without | f8l: i had done apt-get install those chinese font, so i must restart my system? |
| 11:07.45 | wrksx | from the sources dir |
| 11:07.56 | jelly | wrksx: read /msg dpkg ssb, please |
| 11:08.07 | f8l | Without: Probably only the program using it. |
| 11:08.12 | Bushmills | "in command line i uses there are forwarding and masquerade" - explain |
| 11:08.21 | Without | f8l: what do u mean program using it? |
| 11:08.44 | jelly | wrksx: also, /msg dpkg packages recompile (very similar) |
| 11:08.47 | Bushmills | in "echo forwarding masquerade", as command line, are the same. but this won't have the desired effect |
| 11:08.55 | f8l | Without: The program in which you see broken Chinese. |
| 11:08.55 | jelly | wrksx: sorry, /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 11:09.39 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i mean here are the steps i use : http://paste.debian.net/98027/ kind of very simple howto i could understand ^^ |
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| 11:10.17 | wrksx | jelly, I used "apt-get -t lenny-backports source mysql-server" to grab sources is this wrong ? |
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| 11:11.27 | wrksx | jelly, by the way I don't need to create a package, I just need to be able to run a successfull 'make' on mysql-server sources |
| 11:11.31 | jelly | wrksx: it's not necessarily wrong, no. You didn't answer which debian release you were building for, or whether you did an appropriate "apt-get -t lenny-backports build-dep mysql-server" |
| 11:12.02 | wrksx | jelly, i don't know build-dep |
| 11:12.04 | Bushmills | probably a problem with route. your ip addresses are 192.168.111.1 and 192.168.111.2 - i think you'll have a route which send 192.168.111.0/24 to either one or the other interface |
| 11:12.33 | Bushmills | give B an ip address in a different subnet |
| 11:12.40 | jelly | wrksx: do that. It installs all the headers and build tools needed to make a rebuild succeed. |
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| 11:13.02 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.04 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i try that |
| 11:13.24 | petern_ | damn it, openoffice can't open files with... spaces in the path :s |
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| 11:13.43 | jelly | wrksx: "apt-get build-dep mysql-server" should be enough |
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| 11:14.20 | Bushmills | alternatively, set up firewall on A to not deny or reject B packets |
| 11:14.28 | wrksx | jelly, ok, 74 packages to be installed |
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| 11:14.40 | jelly | fun! |
| 11:14.55 | jelly | !tell wrksx about build-dep |
| 11:15.31 | wrksx | jelly, this is so cool, i'll remember it ! |
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| 11:16.23 | jelly | definitely, as that's what you need to do to rebuild pretty much any nontrivial software |
| 11:16.28 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: A has no firewall configurated (at least not by me). A put a x.x.111.3 to B : same result (100% loss). Usually this hoto works well |
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| 11:16.46 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 11:17.03 | Bushmills | are eth0 of A and eth0 of B on the same network segment? |
| 11:17.43 | loca|host | anyone has experience on a job scheduling solution that can compete with ibm tivoli or other commercial job scheduling solutions ? |
| 11:18.16 | wrksx | jelly, I end up with the same error when runnin 'sh BUILD/autorun.sh', it seems like I miss some Docs/ directory. |
| 11:18.31 | jelly | wrksx: in addition, if you're going to actually use your rebuilt mysql-server, I _strongly_ suggest you build a package |
| 11:18.39 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: I don't understand 'network segment' but i guess so : one is just after the first one |
| 11:18.56 | jelly | wrksx: try looking in debian/rules and see what Debian uses to build it |
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| 11:19.15 | Bushmills | i mean, are the eth0 interfaces of both machines on the same cable, with maybe a switch or hub between? |
| 11:19.18 | jelly | wrksx: for mysql the rules makefile might be a bit complex I'm afraif |
| 11:19.42 | wrksx | jelly, f*ck yes it is |
| 11:19.44 | wrksx | ! |
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| 11:20.27 | jelly | wrksx: try doing it the ssb way, see if it build |
| 11:20.30 | jelly | s. |
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| 11:20.40 | wrksx | jelly, what is the ssb way ? |
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| 11:20.48 | jelly | wrksx: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:21.07 | jelly | I thought I already said that, didn't I |
| 11:21.18 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: A is connect by wlan0 (wifi), B connecte to A with a cable directly, the same i use normally |
| 11:21.22 | wrksx | jelly, I don't think so |
| 11:21.30 | wrksx | a yes you did |
| 11:21.46 | ov3rmind | i found one how to build one access pppoint with sarge anyone know if it works on lenny i see troubles " changes" betwen the driver used by the atheros card in these diferent distros... anyone? |
| 11:21.49 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i plan to use a router between, but step by step ^^ |
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| 11:22.28 | jelly | wrksx: you can use your current deb-src for lenny-backports instead of the sid deb-src, so you already did at least a part of the procedure |
| 11:22.30 | Bushmills | Jarlaxe, that cable is a crossover cable? |
| 11:22.47 | wrksx | jelly, right |
| 11:23.38 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: a direct one. But i asked already when i started about this nat stuff, they say it was ok, and it worked until yesterday |
| 11:23.51 | petemc | Jarlaxe: check dmesg to see if the link remains up |
| 11:24.08 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: yesterday i reinstalled debian on A |
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| 11:24.25 | Jarlaxe | petemc: on A sould I ? |
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| 11:25.03 | petemc | Jarlaxe: on both, tho with a direct cable connection a link at one end should indicate a link at the other |
| 11:25.06 | Bushmills | can you ping A from B, or vice versa? |
| 11:26.30 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i don't to ping A fro B and vice versa |
| 11:26.30 | Jarlaxe | petemc: it seems still connected |
| 11:26.48 | Bushmills | then fix the A to B connection, and worry about NAT later |
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| 11:27.45 | wrksx | jelly, i did what you tell and now it is compiling... but WITHOUT the files I HAD to plug in... |
| 11:27.55 | wrksx | at least it compiles. |
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| 11:30.17 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: it is my iea to go step by step ! ^^ |
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| 11:31.21 | Bushmills | but your didn't stick to your idea when posting the NAT config without having confirmed A to B connectivity |
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| 11:33.24 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: didn't I ? I just have this tuto that works usually and now i am stuck with it... |
| 11:33.39 | jelly | wrksx: you'll have to figure out how to properly integrate your patches into the debian tree |
| 11:33.54 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: but there's a connectivity because ping test from B start but doesn't go further |
| 11:34.16 | wrksx | jelly, but when runnin apt-get -b ... it doesn't ask nothing, download and then compile ! |
| 11:34.19 | Bushmills | " i don't to ping A fro B and vice versa" - i read that as "i can't ping either from the other" |
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| 11:35.10 | jelly | wrksx: so don't run it with -b. just do an apt-get source, then mess with the unpacked tree and use dpkg-buildpackage to build it |
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| 11:36.07 | wrksx | jelly, yes but the problem is when I apt-get source, the sources I get miss the mandatory Docs/ dir. |
| 11:36.21 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: wat i know to do is to ping the net from B through A : ex : ping exalead.com from B |
| 11:36.34 | jelly | wrksx: hence my "you'll have to figure out how to properly integrate your patches into the debian tree" |
| 11:37.07 | wrksx | jelly, but Docs/ isn't my patch, i suppose it contains mysql-server docs |
| 11:37.17 | Bushmills | but you can't reach the net from B through A if you can't reach A from B |
| 11:37.21 | wrksx | jelly, the patch I know where it should go |
| 11:37.53 | X4Fly | hi all |
| 11:38.06 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: it is logical, but i just don't know to do it |
| 11:38.20 | X4Fly | is it possible to tell aptitude to download the packages into a different directory? |
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| 11:39.02 | Bushmills | there can't the that much wrong. using the wrong cable, when connecting two machines together directly, is a common reason for problems. |
| 11:39.11 | Bushmills | you need a cross-over cable. |
| 11:39.34 | Bushmills | alternatively, put a switch in between. most of those can deal with with type of cable |
| 11:39.43 | Bushmills | with either type ... |
| 11:40.52 | Bushmills | having traffic blocked by a firewall on either side of the connection is another common cause for inability to establish communication. |
| 11:41.04 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: usually (until now) it worked well with the direct cable. Then i have a ruter in a box that i can use as a switch |
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| 11:43.05 | frikinz | Is there something to access emails stored in ms exchange (5.5) ? evolution-exchange uses Outlook Web Access.. this does not make me confident. |
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| 11:43.37 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: about the firewall : i never setup a firewall on a debian. Yesterday i reinstalled a debian on A. Is there a "default" firewall to check ? |
| 11:44.01 | _fatalerrors | hello everybody |
| 11:44.02 | Bushmills | iptables -nvL should show |
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| 11:44.47 | _fatalerrors | i need some patches but it seems that the patchtracker websit is not working for two days |
| 11:45.09 | _fatalerrors | i mean at least two days |
| 11:45.40 | _fatalerrors | do you know when it will be back? |
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| 11:47.55 | project2501a | hey guys |
| 11:48.03 | project2501a | is there a ready-made tool that analyzes wget logs? |
| 11:48.18 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) the same for FORWARD and OUTPUT |
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| 11:51.36 | wrksx | Does apt-get -b actually install something or just 'make' ? |
| 11:51.46 | ramanK | Hi there. |
| 11:51.54 | wrksx | and can I skip these tests it is runin ? |
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| 11:52.12 | gps23 | hi |
| 11:52.31 | ramanK | Can you suggest a good resource (Book/Website) which I can learn debian sysadmin from scratch ? |
| 11:53.01 | gps23 | i have installed cron-apt on a system running bcron and citadel server, but cron-apt giving error "sendmail not found" how can i rectify this? |
| 11:53.12 | nevyn | ramanK: debian user guide? |
| 11:53.25 | ramanK | I looked into Debian Reference but it was very very big ! |
| 11:53.39 | nevyn | the reference is not where I'd start |
| 11:53.44 | nevyn | I'd start at the user guide. |
| 11:53.53 | nevyn | or admin guide. |
| 11:54.20 | ramanK | nevyn: are those on debian documentation website? |
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| 11:55.18 | nevyn | ramanK: ok install guide is here: |
| 11:55.34 | nevyn | http://debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 11:55.41 | nevyn | then I'd read the FAQ. |
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| 11:58.03 | babilen | !grounding |
| 11:58.03 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 11:58.56 | ramanK | nevyn: where can I find the user guide or admin guide which you talked about? |
| 11:59.11 | babilen | robokop: Ask dpkg about all the factoids in <â¦> -- e.g. "/msg dpkg fundamentals" for the "fundamentals" factoid. You'll find a lot of good information in there. But the reference is a very good start |
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| 11:59.37 | abrotman | babilen: try again |
| 11:59.49 | abrotman | ramanK: see http://debian.org/doc .. lots of links there to read |
| 11:59.50 | babilen | ramanK: ^^^ |
| 12:00.38 | ramanK | abrotman , babilen , nevyn : thanks a lot :) |
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| 12:01.16 | nevyn | Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 12:01.27 | nevyn | oops |
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| 12:06.34 | aguitel | i have 3 operation system in my pc :ubuntu+debian +win ,the question is how i hide only win from grub2? |
| 12:07.07 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i found the way to ping A from B and reverse ! So A to B (ping 192.168.111.3) works ; B to A (ping 192.168.111.1) loss 100% paquets. |
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| 12:07.53 | Bushmills | there seems to be your problem |
| 12:08.32 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: but A has no firewall configurated |
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| 12:09.03 | Bushmills | NIC, cable, firewall (on either A or B) - anything can be the cause |
| 12:09.13 | Bushmills | hm. cable not that likely, actually |
| 12:09.20 | nevyn | a outgoing firewall restriction on B would do just as well. |
| 12:09.33 | nevyn | particularly with a permit established type rule. |
| 12:10.37 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: normally it works wonder, so something else has been done with the "very basic debian reinstall" i did on A |
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| 12:11.29 | Bushmills | normally things work until they break. once broken, the fact that they worked before is of little relief. |
| 12:11.34 | Jarlaxe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.22 | wrksx | anyone use mariaDB ? does it install esily ? |
| 12:14.00 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i got your point. ok. So i checked A with iptables -nvL i havelike so for Input, forwarding and output : Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) |
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| 12:15.06 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. |
| 12:15.40 | Bushmills | can't really be 0 packets on INPUT if you have pinged that box already (and the echo request arrived there) |
| 12:15.54 | EduardeCalibal | When the man have more than um page, how I chose one one? |
| 12:16.05 | Bushmills | EduardeCalibal, man n page |
| 12:16.09 | Bushmills | n= 1...9 |
| 12:16.12 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks. |
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| 12:16.30 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: so i do it again in "ping time" |
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| 12:17.43 | Bushmills | well, ok. though, usually connecting two NICs so that the machines can talk to each other is not exactly rocket science. |
| 12:18.18 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: B pings A (so ping locks) : INPUT (policy ACCEPT 1477 packets, FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 12 packets, OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 1361 packets |
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| 12:18.53 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: so t works but just being locked somewhere |
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| 12:19.39 | Bushmills | tcpdump or tshark are useful tools for looking at what packets actually reach a NIC |
| 12:20.37 | Bushmills | get them, use them. replace defective equipment as you see fit. |
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| 12:21.23 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i go for it. thank you |
| 12:21.42 | Bushmills | reduce things like routing tables or iptables rules to the minimum needed for A to B communication |
| 12:21.54 | Bushmills | there's also iptables -t nat -nvL |
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| 12:23.25 | Jarlaxe | Bushmills: i think i gonna stay stuck for a while with it ! but i notice those tools and gonna play with them |
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| 12:24.39 | Trashi | hi. i want to use php function id3_get_tag()... i thought installing the package "php-getid3" would help but there is still the same error: unknown function ... what could be the problem? |
| 12:26.56 | abrotman | does it need to be enabled in the php.ini ? |
| 12:27.01 | abrotman | apache restarted? |
| 12:27.51 | EduardeCalibal | About the man, again... I need seek only in the section "Linux Programmer's Manual", exist a option to this? |
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| 12:38.44 | Trashi | abrotman: i did change php.ini manual and did restart apache... same error |
| 12:39.30 | Trashi | but i fear i installed a bad package? |
| 12:39.41 | Trashi | maybe php-getid3 isnt the right one? |
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| 12:41.32 | Trashi | abrotman: i did also try to install id3 support for php via pecl (install id3) .. but same error ... maybe i have to ask in #php but i did hope there is an easy "debian way solution" ;) |
| 12:42.03 | abrotman | what funciton is missing? |
| 12:42.32 | Trashi | (14:25:25) Trashi: hi. i want to use php function id3_get_tag() |
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| 12:45.35 | Trashi | abrotman: for me "php-getid3" package would be logical |
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| 12:46.26 | abrotman | Trashi: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 .. which version ? |
| 12:46.58 | Trashi | abrotman: ii libapache2-mod-php 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+len server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apach |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | Trashi: have you tried a php_info() page to see if it's actually showing up at all ? |
| 12:48.18 | Trashi | abrotman: yes but it wasnt |
| 12:48.32 | Trashi | abrotman: and php -m sais the same |
| 12:48.58 | abrotman | that's different than /etc/php5/apache2/* |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | so make sure you have it enabled for apache and the cli |
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| 12:49.34 | themill | php-getid3 and php's id3 pecl extension appear to be completely different projects |
| 12:51.12 | wrksx | omeone told me about a sphinx debian package but I can't find it. where is it ? |
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| 12:51.50 | Bushmills | sphinx2-bin? |
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| 12:53.39 | wrksx | Bushmills, it was sphinxsearch or aproaching. it is not speach recognition, it is full text indexing |
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| 12:54.24 | Bushmills | sphinxsearch |
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| 12:55.14 | abrotman | wrksx: which version of debian are you using? |
| 12:55.21 | wrksx | Bushmills, how did you found it ? |
| 12:55.25 | wrksx | abrotman, lenny |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | !tell wrksx about search |
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| 12:56.10 | wrksx | abrotman, I ran aptitude search sphinx but I couldn't find it. |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | then you did it wrong .. i just did it on a lenny box and it worked fine |
| 12:58.34 | wrksx | abrotman, http://pastie.org/1247188 |
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| 12:59.16 | abrotman | and it's right there in the list .. what's the problem ? |
| 12:59.26 | abrotman | oh .. the sphinx2-bin is there ... |
| 12:59.37 | abrotman | are you sure it's not a binary in the package? |
| 12:59.52 | themill | ,versions sphinxsearch |
| 12:59.54 | judd | Package sphinxsearch on i386 -- sid: 0.9.9-6; squeeze: 0.9.9-6 |
| 12:59.58 | wrksx | abrotman, i don't understand |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | oh, there you go .. not in lenny ... have fun |
| 13:00.28 | wrksx | yes i need the sphinxsearch but it maybe is on another repo ? |
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| 13:00.37 | wrksx | a ok |
| 13:00.44 | wrksx | another version. |
| 13:00.54 | wrksx | would it tell if it was in backports ? |
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| 13:01.40 | abrotman | yes, but it's not listed |
| 13:01.55 | wrksx | ok |
| 13:01.58 | themill | it doesn't look very easily backportable. bad luck. |
| 13:02.07 | Chell | Hi all, where does MC check if "external view" is turned off? (I wish to change it) |
| 13:02.11 | abrotman | it wouldn't be .. sphinx is a complicated system IIRC |
| 13:02.13 | wrksx | I'll compile it, already done it twice |
| 13:02.20 | wrksx | thanks to you both |
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| 13:11.24 | jas4711 | are the daily debian-installer images stable enough to install a squeeze system with? or are they known to be broken? |
| 13:11.45 | llutz | Chell: ~/.mc/ini use_internal_view=1 |
| 13:11.55 | dkr | or somewhere in between those two options |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | jas4711: they sohuld be functional at this point |
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| 13:13.01 | jas4711 | abrotman, thanks i'll give them a try on my new lenovo x201 laptop. |
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| 13:13.28 | Chell | llutz, I know, when you turn it off, MC looks (somewhere) externally to view that file. I know it's not in update-alternatives, but don't know where it is set. |
| 13:13.58 | abrotman | jas4711: good luck .. and if you do find errors/issues, don't forget to report them, thanks! |
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| 13:21.01 | mutable | Hello. I see that SYS_UID_MIN is commented by default in /etc/login.defs. Is there any other way to get this number? |
| 13:21.01 | gps23 | cron-apt is giving error "/usr/lib/sendmail: No such file or directory". Please help |
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| 13:22.23 | abrotman | gps23: which version of cron-apt? how did you remove that file? |
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| 13:24.13 | gps23 | abrotman: 0.8.2, i used to have exim and vixie-cron, some time ago i removed them and today i installed bcron and along with it citadel-server got installed. no sendmail |
| 13:24.44 | abrotman | judd: versions cron-apt |
| 13:24.46 | judd | Package cron-apt on i386 -- etch: 0.4.14; lenny: 0.6.7; sid: 0.8.2; squeeze: 0.8.2 |
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| 13:25.02 | abrotman | gps23: well, your system needs the MTA to provide that file .. |
| 13:25.05 | gps23 | abrotman: mine is squeeze |
| 13:25.21 | abrotman | you don't need sendmail .. but you do need an MTA (exim4 would provide it) |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | pretty much every MTA in debian will provide it AFAIK |
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| 13:26.58 | gps23 | oh thanks for telling, is there any cron in repo which don't need MTA? |
| 13:27.26 | gps23 | abrotman: ^^^, i see that mincron/micron is not in repo |
| 13:27.26 | iceroot | what enviroment is debchange -i reading for setting up the mailadress of the maintainer? |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | gps23: wtf is wrong with having an MTA? |
| 13:29.27 | gps23 | i don't check my mail using mail, so its useful for me |
| 13:29.40 | gps23 | abrotman: i don't check my mail using mail, so its not* useful for me |
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| 13:30.56 | abrotman | send it to another account |
| 13:30.58 | jelly | gps23: you can install a MTA replacement like ssmtp or nullmailer which only knows to send mail to a remote smarthost |
| 13:31.02 | abrotman | or another system .. |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | or alias root: nobody and never read it again |
| 13:31.25 | jelly | abrotman: you mean, /dev/null |
| 13:31.41 | jelly | /var/mail/nobody will still get filled up if it can |
| 13:31.47 | abrotman | nobody's mail goes to /dev/null |
| 13:32.01 | jelly | abrotman: in which MTA? |
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| 13:32.18 | abrotman | all AFAIK .. let me verify .. but i use postfix |
| 13:32.21 | abrotman | or mostly use postfix |
| 13:32.27 | jelly | abrotman: postfix doesn't do such a sily thing |
| 13:32.29 | lazka | Where can I get the old xserver intel 2.9 package? the new one doesn't work for me |
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| 13:32.49 | abrotman | will see if he can find this |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | !tell lazka about sdo |
| 13:33.02 | gps23 | abrotman: shouldn't bcron have checked that i don't have MTA at install time? vixie-cron did that and offered to install exim4 |
| 13:33.07 | lazka | abchirk, thanks! |
| 13:33.37 | lazka | awsome |
| 13:33.59 | abrotman | jelly: i must be crazy .. can't find any reference :) |
| 13:34.22 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 13:34.22 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Gulden Drak for abchirk |
| 13:34.33 | abrotman | gps23: you can file a bug if you would like i suppose |
| 13:35.29 | jelly | abrotman: that doesn't come as a surprise! (but I can't find a reference either, and I don't see where echo test|mutt nobody went) |
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| 13:36.02 | abrotman | so it does go away? |
| 13:36.31 | jelly | it goes wherever root's mail goes, it seems (root is squashed to nobody apparently) |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:36.50 | gps23 | abrotman: hmmm, alright then i will installed vixie itself, bcron got too much packages with it and not an MTA :( |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | gps23: you should specify which MTA you want |
| 13:37.11 | jelly | hm. |
| 13:38.00 | jelly | abrotman: oh well. nobody: root ... root: jelly. wtf knows what the defaults were. I'm pretty sure I didn't manually enter the nobody: root alias tho |
| 13:38.17 | jelly | suspects dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:39.51 | llutz | jelly: nobody will be delivered by default to "nobody" if no alias is set. ls -l /var/mail/ -> -rw------- 1 nobody mail 732 25. Okt 15:37 /var/mail/nobody |
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| 13:42.22 | jelly | so it works normally like any other account! |
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| 13:42.32 | llutz | yes |
| 13:42.38 | jelly | IN UR FACE, ABRperson |
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| 14:19.11 | Trashi | hi id did install php5 from debian repository and want to add id3-functions (http://php.net/manual/de/ref.id3.php) whats the best way to install? |
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| 14:23.38 | jordanm | Trashi: php-getid3? it appears not the same, but one person on that page recommends it instead |
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| 14:23.55 | DannyButterman | Hi there |
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| 14:24.48 | lapsusbrutus | Hi guys, anyone here using sftp from cli? I did sftp to remote server, but cant figure out how to upload stuff :) |
| 14:24.53 | Trashi | jordanm: the problem is, i want to use a software which needs the id3_get_tag function ... and after i did install php-getid3 there was the error: id3_get_tag - unknown function |
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| 14:25.41 | abrotman | Trashi: we already went over this i thought / |
| 14:25.55 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: tried typing "help" ? |
| 14:25.56 | Guest35082 | How can i unmount something that is busy according to mount, while i'm sure it is not being used? |
| 14:26.04 | Trashi | abrotman: no, we didnt ... its still the same problem |
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| 14:26.19 | abrotman | Trashi: /lastlog themill .. he told you that it was not the same |
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| 14:26.29 | jordanm | abrotman: did you have him use pecl? |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | Guest35082: you looked with fuser/lsof to be sure? |
| 14:26.31 | jordanm | oh |
| 14:26.55 | Guest35082 | abrotman i'm in recovery boot, fuser /lsof commands don't exist |
| 14:27.04 | themill | jordanm: yes, he will need to pecl install it. and hope. |
| 14:27.41 | jordanm | Guest35082: they should, they are in /bin, which must be there |
| 14:28.02 | jordanm | unless you are in busybox maybe.. |
| 14:28.05 | Guest35082 | fusermount |
| 14:28.16 | Trashi | i did install id3 support also via pecl ... but there was the same error .. and yes, i did modify my /etc/php5/apache/php.ini and restart apache |
| 14:29.07 | Guest35082 | abrotman i don't have fuser, i do have fusermount |
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| 14:29.34 | Guest35082 | >.> they really should add man files to recovery mode |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | Guest35082: why not mount your regular system and use that fuser/lsof? why are you in recovery at all ? |
| 14:29.59 | Guest35082 | because it won't boot, because it cannot assign the partition because it's busy |
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| 14:31.16 | Guest35082 | i'm trying to run fsck.ext2 in recovery mode, because this problem happened after a hard reboot due to a failing UPS |
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| 14:31.40 | Guest35082 | but fsck say device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda5 |
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| 14:33.31 | DannyButterman | could someone help me ? I can't restore files from a tape that were stored by the 'tar -cf /dev/st0' command |
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| 14:33.47 | DannyButterman | It's like there's only one file |
| 14:33.54 | DannyButterman | though it should not be the case |
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| 14:35.19 | DannyButterman | tar -tvf show only one file (but does this command show all files from the tape - "mt -f /dev/st0 fsf 1" could be useful at this stage ?) |
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| 14:37.08 | DannyButterman | Would someone help me please ? |
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| 14:47.33 | Jarlaxe | i don't find. i search and searchm read tto about at and iptables, i don't find the way to allow B to go through A ... ay help ? |
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| 14:48.24 | jordanm | Jarlaxe: looks like a language barrier issue with that question |
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| 14:49.41 | Jarlaxe | jordanm: a language barrier ? no maybe i should remind the facts (i was connecte 1 hour ago about the same topic, that's why) |
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| 14:53.55 | Jarlaxe | so, 2 PCs under squeeze A and B, A conneted to the net, B connected to A. I use to apply this tuto and works well until yesterday (i reinstalled a very basic debian on A), Pb now, B is locked to a ping test (100% loss), but ing A to B works. http://paste.debian.net/98027/ |
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| 14:57.39 | jordanm | Jarlaxe: net.ipv4.conf.ip_forward = 1 |
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| 15:00.25 | Jarlaxe | i had help here to try aroud iptables, tshark and tcpdump, but i don't uderstad what i do and i supose to have finish in 2 urs max ... |
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| 15:00.27 | hetOrakel | hi all, how can i let ping show the requests with lost packets line |
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| 15:00.31 | Jarlaxe | hetOrakel: ping you_request doesn't help ? |
| 15:00.31 | hetOrakel | Jarlaxe: don't get what you mean. sorry |
| 15:00.31 | DannyButterman | who know how to use the tar/mt command with tapes ? |
| 15:00.31 | Jarlaxe | for ex > ping exalead'com display loss of paquets etc |
| 15:00.31 | DannyButterman | knows |
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| 15:01.29 | hetOrakel | What i mean, i want to see the MS-way :( a packet that has been sent on a line also when it gets no response |
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| 15:02.36 | Jarlaxe | hetOrakel: hum i wont be the right help then ^^ |
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| 15:03.28 | Jarlaxe | jordanm: yep i did it on A (according to te small howto http://paste.debian.net/98027/) |
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| 15:04.51 | Jarlaxe | but there's a difference. i try it (net.ipv4.conf.ip_forward = 1 instead of et.ipv4.ip_forward = 1) |
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| 15:06.41 | Jarlaxe | jordanm: it doesn't like it : error: "net.ipv4.conf.ip_forward" is an unknown key |
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| 15:09.37 | stew | Jarlaxe: get rid of .conf, it should just be net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 15:10.05 | jordanm | yep, my mistake. |
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| 15:10.33 | Jarlaxe | stew: it is what i use usually. still B locked on ping test http://paste.debian.net/98027/ |
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| 15:11.36 | Jarlaxe | jordanm: ok. I though it was another option to use |
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| 15:12.35 | wrksx | I'm searching if a package for mariaDB exist but I can't find it. |
| 15:12.57 | wrksx | what's the /msg to use to find which version could have it ? |
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| 15:14.18 | wrksx | AND is there a way to know what options where used to './configure' the standard debian mysql-server package? |
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| 15:15.26 | Jarlaxe | so another way : how should i say to iptables : "B can go through A" ? / disable its locking ? |
| 15:15.37 | jelly | wrksx: for the latter, the answer is hiding in or near debian/rules |
| 15:15.40 | wrksx | I have a plugin that crashes mysqlServer because it has not been configured/compiled with the same options. So how can I find which option where used since I didn't configure nor compiled the packaged version ? |
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| 15:16.34 | jelly | wrksx: for the former, you probably want to use http://packages.debian.org/ to search for packages present in any version of debian |
| 15:16.49 | wrksx | jelly, would you be able to take a look to it to help me locate this information, if I bin the debian/rules ? |
| 15:17.22 | wrksx | jelly, I just ask.. |
| 15:18.00 | jordanm | wrksx: its going to be pretty obvious... most likely ./configure --options, on the the form of a dh override |
| 15:18.13 | wrksx | jordanm, ok I'll run a grep |
| 15:18.17 | wrksx | thank you |
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| 15:18.29 | jordanm | grep for what? |
| 15:18.33 | wrksx | but what's a dh override ? |
| 15:18.46 | jelly | wrksx: sure, but be aware I'm not going to look up ready answers for free. /msg me if you want a quote with my hourly rates |
| 15:19.05 | wrksx | jelly =) |
| 15:19.14 | wrksx | i'll try it on my own then |
| 15:19.18 | jordanm | hourly rates are cheaper |
| 15:19.30 | jelly | dumper |
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| 15:20.34 | cosmos | Hi |
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| 15:21.02 | cosmos | Is ther a tutorial for compiling linux sources on Armel? |
| 15:21.11 | cosmos | Which CFLAGS do I use? |
| 15:21.53 | jordanm | man gcc? |
| 15:22.06 | bzrk | linux=kernel? |
| 15:22.37 | jordanm | cosmos: typically the cflags is handled by something like a makefile |
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| 15:23.09 | bzrk | cosmos: #debian-arm on irc.debian.org might be the place for you |
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| 15:23.49 | wrksx | is there a way to use this debian/rules to ./configure but NOT to make ? because I located the options passed to ./configure and they are non-understandable: http://pastie.org/1247539 |
| 15:24.37 | bzrk | wrksx: dont call build in the rules file |
| 15:25.20 | bzrk | wrksx: what you posted is no rules file |
| 15:25.32 | wrksx | bzrk, it's aa part of it |
| 15:25.38 | bzrk | wrksx: ah ok |
| 15:25.41 | Strogg | hey hey |
| 15:25.47 | cosmos | ok thanks, I'll get a try on debian-arm |
| 15:25.52 | bzrk | wrksx: then my hint above applies |
| 15:25.56 | bzrk | cosmos: gl |
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| 15:26.24 | Strogg | I'm trying to setup minii-dinstall, but my deb files aren't getting added to the Packages file for the repo I'm setting up. The package is getting uploaded into the incoming directory though. Any idea what I"m doing wrong here? |
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| 15:26.44 | cosmos | nobody on debian-armel... |
| 15:26.44 | wrksx | bzrk, http://pastie.org/1247539 this is the whole file, what were you recomending ? |
| 15:26.56 | cosmos | nor debian-arm |
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| 15:27.10 | frikinz | cosmos: go to #maemo? |
| 15:27.15 | cosmos | so any armel developpers there? |
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| 15:29.05 | bzrk | wrksx: remove build: build-stamp build-stamp-pic |
| 15:29.16 | bzrk | the build-stamp-pic from this line |
| 15:29.39 | bzrk | wrksx: and the cd $(builddir) && $(MAKE) $(MAKE_J) |
| 15:29.51 | bzrk | basically anything where make gets called |
| 15:29.59 | wrksx | bzrk, ouch |
| 15:30.11 | bzrk | wrksx: why do want to use a makefile then anyway? |
| 15:30.15 | bzrk | if you only want to configure |
| 15:30.53 | wrksx | bzrk, problem is I must configure with the exact same options as the package were originally configured, i'm compiling a plugin |
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| 15:31.18 | wrksx | so i looked in rules to find which options were used |
| 15:31.28 | bzrk | wrksx: ok, then just use the configure options from the rules |
| 15:31.37 | bzrk | the part you posted first |
| 15:32.10 | wrksx | configure \ |
| 15:32.10 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.23 | wrksx | bzrk, what to put in place of these vars ? |
| 15:32.33 | wrksx | this is a mistery to me. |
| 15:33.00 | bzrk | wrksx: the assignments are in the top of the make file with the variables |
| 15:33.25 | bzrk | wrksx: execute dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE in a shell |
| 15:33.43 | bzrk | wrksx: thats what you have to insert there |
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| 15:34.11 | wrksx | bzrk, ok thank you |
| 15:34.16 | bzrk | wrksx: np |
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| 15:35.18 | Muisje | What can i do when the system thinks when i want to mount a hard disk drive or run fsck, that the hard drive is in use, when it is not. I'm totally sure booted in rescue mode without shell in the installation, not with the root shell... |
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| 15:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: Could be a problem with the disk. Is it the disk you booted from? |
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| 15:40.47 | wrksx | what value contain USE_ASSEMBLER=--enable-assembler |
| 15:40.49 | wrksx | ? |
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| 15:41.07 | sawyer_ | hi everyone |
| 15:41.31 | sawyer_ | when working on compiling Perl for Android i used to come here and ask a lot of questions on so many things, most of which weren't even related to Debian |
| 15:41.33 | sawyer_ | i really wanted to say thanks |
| 15:41.48 | sawyer_ | i decided to leave the issue and wrote a blog post about it: http://blogs.perl.org/users/sawyer_x/2010/10/leaving-android.html |
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| 15:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | So gnome now has it's own shell that replaces bash? |
| 15:48.08 | malchias | Can anyone recommend how to setup my own private VPN / Proxy? I'd like to connect via VPN then browse securely from a trusted host. What is the recommended way to do something like this? |
| 15:50.04 | Muisje | Fuck that, since i'm not getting any answer, i'll just remain dumb and put back a backup, sjeez. |
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| 15:52.21 | CodeNinja | can cron run 'reboot'? if not, can it run sudo reboot? which user would I have to add to sudoers to make it do so? I've got a script that checks to make sure the server can ping outward, if it fails more than X times it will reboot the system. Currently it does everything but reboot, tried with both reboot and sudo reboot |
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| 15:54.10 | malchias | CodeNinja: how often does it need to be rebooted because it can't ping? just out of curiosity |
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| 15:54.37 | keith4 | do i have to reboot after libc6 upgrades? ("have to"? "should"?) |
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| 15:55.05 | BarthezZ_ | keith4 afaik a restart of the processes should load the new library |
| 15:55.06 | babilen | CodeNinja: And additionally: are you sure that a reboot is *really* necessary (as opposed to module removing/inserting, interface down/up, â¦) |
| 15:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Why do you need to reboot as opposed to restarting networking? |
| 15:55.16 | CodeNinja | malchias: it varies, something dealing with my network card and IRQ blocking, I havent been able to determine the cause or fix, sometimes its 10 minutes, sometimes its days |
| 15:55.38 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt babilen I tried that stuff already, unfortunately, the same problem still occurs, hang on, I'll paste the link for the log |
| 15:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Is this a VM? |
| 15:55.53 | keith4 | BarthezZ_: k, thanks |
| 15:56.07 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: no, this is a desktop server running openvz, backports kernel |
| 15:56.22 | CodeNinja | Log files of the problem: http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog.log http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog2.log http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog3.log |
| 15:57.27 | CodeNinja | Linux hydra 2.6.32-bpo.5-openvz-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 19 23:04:00 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:02.52 | babilen | !dbugs 519140 |
| 16:02.57 | dpkg | #519140:M[linux-2.6] WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:222 dev_watchdog+0x8f/0xdc() (); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:04 UTC [] |
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| 16:03.19 | babilen | CodeNinja: look into ^^^^ (I haven't yet, but it looks related) |
| 16:03.21 | pr0mised | hello! someone can help me? so, i'm guessing it strange.. i have an mysql server running on debian lenny, using phpmyadmin, i have an user databaseuser that with him i can connect on phpmyadmin an see all databases but when i try use the command line on linux "mysql -u databaseuser -p" give me the password, i write the password but show me this error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'databaseuser'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 16:06.15 | babilen | CodeNinja: Which NIC do you have? (Is it a 3c900 as well? -- pciid 10b7:9001) |
| 16:07.29 | babilen | CodeNinja: Although I haven't tried rebooting a machine from withing a cron called script -- I would think that you should be able to run "shutdown -r now" or "reboot" from a script that is run with UID 0) |
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| 16:08.32 | malchias | or "shutdown -r -t secs: now" ... though not sure why I have to type secs now |
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| 16:08.56 | babilen | CodeNinja: And removing and inserting the module (presumably r8169) does not fix the problem? (modprobe -r r8169 && modprobe r8169) |
| 16:09.44 | pr0mised | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.18 | babilen | CodeNinja: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538920 mentions a workaround of adding "acpi=nopci pcie_aspm=off" (but that really is a workaround :-\ ) |
| 16:11.43 | babilen | CodeNinja: Bunch of other hits, bug reports for that problem on the interwebs |
| 16:12.29 | pr0mised | pleeease, someone can help me? |
| 16:12.57 | babilen | CodeNinja: It might actually be enough to try "pcie_aspm=off" and still use ACPI |
| 16:13.56 | babilen | CodeNinja: It would be great if you could try that -- Frantisek reported that his system is running without a problem after that change |
| 16:13.59 | CodeNinja | babilen: unfortunately none of the modprobe stuff helped, I've got a 3c905 and r8169, only one of them, I believe the 3c905, is active. I'd rather have a work around then have to do the hackery I've got going on now |
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| 16:15.25 | CodeNinja | babilen: pci_ or pcie_ ? |
| 16:15.26 | babilen | CodeNinja: You might be able to find other bug reports/solution after a longer search -- There might even be an upstram bug at https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ (heven't checked yet) |
| 16:16.01 | babilen | CodeNinja: pcie -- see the RH bug report (last comment). |
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| 16:18.28 | CodeNinja | babilen: I will add this right now and see how it goes, thanks for the tip, I never saw that bug report amidst my searching on google :\ |
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| 16:19.36 | meder | will anything mess up if i change the hostname of my server? |
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| 16:19.39 | babilen | CodeNinja: Google for the actual WARNING: "WARNING: at net/sched/sch_generic.c:226 dev_watchdog+0x8f" (without quotes) |
| 16:19.46 | meder | eg echo blah > /etc/hostname ? |
| 16:19.55 | Muisje | meder, depends on the services you run |
| 16:20.01 | Muisje | Some services might to be reconfigured |
| 16:20.09 | babilen | !tell meder -about hostname |
| 16:20.17 | babilen | meder: A few other things to change as well |
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| 16:22.19 | CodeNinja | babilen: I did :\ |
| 16:23.04 | babilen | CodeNinja: hehe -- your google results might be different from mine. (I still don't know how to force google to deliver the same results for a search) |
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| 16:23.29 | malchias | if I wanted to use a debian server as a secure proxy and tunnel my connection and dns info to it via ssh, is that the recommended way to have "safer" browsing (at least up to the debian server)? Or is there another recommended way (like openvpn for example)? |
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| 16:24.10 | dkr | I'm trying to wrap my head around libpam-storepw not being a joke. So when you log in it writes your plain text password to a file... |
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| 16:24.48 | flo` | hi |
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| 16:24.52 | meder | Muisje: so i have to go through every service I have |
| 16:24.55 | meder | ok |
| 16:24.59 | CodeNinja | babilen: google does some weirdness with searches, it depends on what you search the most |
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| 16:25.17 | flo` | i am trying to install debian lenny (mipsel) on an embedded device... |
| 16:25.28 | babilen | CodeNinja: And it also depends on which server you actually end at. NVM -- I hope you can get your problem fixed |
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| 16:25.40 | flo` | i used debootstrap from my laptop with the --foreign and --arch mipsel options to create an initial filesystem |
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| 16:26.01 | CodeNinja | babilen: again, thanks for the tip, I added it, will see how long it goes, this problem has been a big pita for weeks :\ |
| 16:26.15 | flo` | then, i mounted that FS in the embedded device (which is already running linux), chrooted into it after mounting proc, sys, dev, and did debootstrap --second-stage |
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| 16:26.28 | babilen | CodeNinja: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14962 |
| 16:26.38 | flo` | this works a while, until it breaks with the lines |
| 16:26.39 | flo` | I: Configuring sysvinit... |
| 16:26.39 | flo` | W: Failure while configuring required packages. |
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| 16:26.56 | flo` | when i now do ls proc or ls dev or ls dev, i see: they aren't mounted any more |
| 16:27.05 | babilen | CodeNinja: I am still not sure if all these bug reports stem from the same problem, but they might provide idea/ways on how to triage the bug and maybe even tackle it |
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| 16:27.11 | flo` | short before, mount has been configured. can that be the problem? |
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| 16:27.33 | flo` | and is there any way to proceed at a certain point with debootstrap? it is awfully slow :( |
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| 16:29.08 | babilen | CodeNinja: The bug report at kernel.org also mentions that "pcie_aspm=off" solves the issue, so there is hope :) |
| 16:29.44 | babilen | CodeNinja: Good luck :) |
| 16:29.54 | CodeNinja | babilen: I like having hope... a few times I almost went shitspastic and threw it off the balcony :P |
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| 16:33.11 | flo` | aha, i found something: |
| 16:33.22 | flo` | it failed setting up sysvinit, because it may not access initctl |
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| 16:33.30 | flo` | but it has all packages configured |
| 16:33.44 | flo` | does debootstrap do other things after configing, or is it done now? |
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| 16:34.28 | Strogg | when you're wrting your changelog, do you have to write a seperate entry for each stream? sid, squeeze, lenny, etc? or is there a way to combine them? |
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| 16:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Should be done. |
| 16:35.01 | flo` | ok |
| 16:35.09 | flo` | so, how can i get apt-get or aptitude now? |
| 16:35.16 | gps23 | abrotman: i have found that bcron already comes with an MTA - citadel-mta. still i am facing that sendmail error on running cron-apt |
| 16:35.22 | flo` | the system is extremely minimal. no apt-get :( |
| 16:35.37 | bolt | is smbpasswd no longer in the samba package in squeeze? where do i find it now? |
| 16:35.57 | wrksx | good evening, |
| 16:35.57 | wrksx | I believe I need to create my own package to use instead of mysql-server. I need to compile this package with additionnal files. Is this what you call a rebuilt ? So I wonder how to achieve this... |
| 16:36.51 | bolt | gah. nevermind. it's in samba-common-bin |
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| 16:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: dpkg? aptitude? |
| 16:38.17 | jhutchins_lt | !tell wrksx about package rebuild |
| 16:38.39 | wrksx | thx |
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| 16:53.06 | istevenmon | hi guys, where can i talk about the debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 16:53.27 | istevenmon | is there a channel for it, or can i do it in here? |
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| 16:54.04 | jhutchins_lt | istevenmon: I don't think it's off-topic, but I doubt you'll find many users. |
| 16:54.17 | istevenmon | i just want to know if anyone had tested it |
| 16:54.30 | jhutchins_lt | istevenmon: That's up to you. |
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| 16:54.50 | istevenmon | i want to know if the BSD kernel comes with pf |
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| 16:55.23 | babilen | istevenmon: #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:55.31 | babilen | istevenmon: And yes, pf is included |
| 16:55.37 | istevenmon | thanks a lot |
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| 16:56.58 | istevenmon | babilen: what about carp? |
| 16:57.46 | babilen | istevenmon: No idea :) |
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| 16:57.53 | istevenmon | hahaha |
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| 17:00.20 | babilen | istevenmon: I would think so though. But ask the kfreebsd gurus over at oftc :) |
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| 17:02.46 | flo` | i have a problem with debian resolving hostnames |
| 17:03.09 | flo` | it's always resolving to some ipv6 adress which it cannot connect to (no ip6 support) |
| 17:03.19 | flo` | how can i tell him to use ipv4 adresses? |
| 17:03.30 | appletime | heh |
| 17:03.44 | appletime | just tell him, but if he choses not to.... |
| 17:03.50 | appletime | ipv6 |
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| 17:03.51 | flo` | appletime, how can i tell him? |
| 17:03.55 | appletime | is so -ugly- |
| 17:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | !ipv6 |
| 17:04.22 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 17:04.30 | flo` | that debian is running inside a chroot, and the outside system seems to have the same problem... but i don't really ant to fiddle on that system |
| 17:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 17:04.33 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 17:05.10 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, debian is running inside a chroot, and i can't touch the outside system |
| 17:05.18 | appletime | does anyone know of any enterprise patch systems for *nix? |
| 17:05.29 | wrksx | I read the package rebuilt information and I now wonder how will aptitude behave ? |
| 17:05.37 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, ^ |
| 17:05.38 | appletime | (free, or at best able to handle both windows and *nix |
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| 17:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: If you disable it on your VM and the VM has it's own resolver it shouldn't be a problem. If it's relying on the host's resolver you need to contact the person responsible. |
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| 17:06.16 | flo` | it's relying on the host's resolver |
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| 17:06.31 | flo` | however, that host is a router. and all other machines attached to it automatically use ipv4 adresses |
| 17:06.52 | flo` | and, a chroot isn't a vm, right? |
| 17:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Oh, right, it's not. |
| 17:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | !coffee jhutchins_lt |
| 17:07.33 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for jhutchins_lt, courtesy of jhutchins_lt |
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| 17:07.42 | flo` | have to leave now... but if somebody has a hint for me, please /msg me or hilight |
| 17:08.16 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder to what extent debian "runs" inside a chroot. Apps yes, debian itself... not really. |
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| 17:09.28 | wrksx | If I dpkg -i <somepackage>, will aptitude know about it |
| 17:09.29 | wrksx | ? |
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| 17:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: Yes, they all share the same database. |
| 17:10.05 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, so cool |
| 17:10.10 | wrksx | thakyou |
| 17:10.26 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: In fact, aptitude can even resolve missing dependencies after dpkg installs. |
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| 17:14.48 | wrksx | does dpkg-buildpackage uses debian/rules ? |
| 17:15.48 | n00ch | can anyone offer any insight on why manipulating 'volumeicon' with apt-get might do funk stuff with b43-legacy*? |
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| 17:16.30 | metalfoo | wrksx: Yes. |
| 17:16.45 | binbrain | I don't seem to be able to find any explanation of the of the debian/<package>.install file in the debian policy manual, anybody point me to some docs on it? |
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| 17:17.25 | metalfoo | binbrain: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html |
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| 17:18.14 | binbrain | thanks metalfoo |
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| 17:25.17 | flo` | hi again |
| 17:25.25 | flo` | i still have the following problem: |
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| 17:26.01 | flo` | my router, which is running some special linux, and a chrooted debian lenny, fails to connect to some urls like security.debian.org |
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| 17:26.21 | flo` | problem is, it resolves to a ipv6 address, but the network has no ip6 support |
| 17:26.33 | flo` | all pcs that are connected to that router work perfectly fine. |
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| 17:26.54 | flo` | so, how can i tell the router (or atleast the debian inside the chroot) to only use ip4 addresses? |
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| 17:29.00 | Bushmills | it seems your router does (user ipv4 addresses only) - you may have to stop querying your name server for ipv6 addresses |
| 17:29.21 | flo` | which is "my name server"? |
| 17:29.38 | flo` | problem is, the router is set as DNS server on all connected PCs. and it works fine |
| 17:29.41 | Bushmills | the one which you query. the recursor, or recursive name server |
| 17:29.58 | flo` | inside the choot, lenny is also using the router's ip for dns queries |
| 17:29.58 | Bushmills | look into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:30.02 | jhutchins_lt | I don't understand why you think you're running debian inside a chroot. You're still running the host system's kernel, you're only running apps in the chroot. |
| 17:30.02 | flo` | so, why does that not work? |
| 17:30.23 | flo` | okay. so i am running debian's apps with debian's libs and debian's configs inside that chroot. |
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| 17:30.38 | flo` | does that make a difference for my problem? |
| 17:30.40 | metalfoo | ... but still using the global kernel config |
| 17:30.52 | metalfoo | So yes: It does, since you can't disable IPv6 in the chroot only |
| 17:31.02 | flo` | but what has the kernel to do with ipv6? (except, that it _can_ use it)? |
| 17:31.11 | flo` | look, my point is the following: |
| 17:31.23 | metalfoo | Well, routing is a kernel task |
| 17:31.33 | flo` | my laptop which is connected to that router CAN access security.debian.org (using an ip4 adress) |
| 17:31.38 | flo` | the router itself CAN'T |
| 17:31.44 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: When applications detect the presence of ipv6 support they may default to it. |
| 17:31.53 | flo` | but why can't i make the router use it oO? |
| 17:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: You can - but you have to change the host system, not just the chroot. |
| 17:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: That or recompile each app to eliminate ipv6 support. |
| 17:33.09 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: You might be able to change the resolve.conf in the chroot to point to an external resolver. |
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| 17:33.17 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, so, my laptop is doing the following: "ey, kernel, can you do ipv6? no? ok, using ipv4", and the router: "can you do ipv6? yes, i have the module. ok, trying and failing to use v6"? |
| 17:33.19 | flo` | is that correct? |
| 17:33.32 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, to which external resolver? |
| 17:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Something like that. |
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| 17:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | Google? |
| 17:33.45 | metalfoo | flo`: OpenDNS, Google DNS, choose yourself. |
| 17:33.49 | flo` | ok... |
| 17:33.57 | flo` | so, some public dns server. that's what i needed to know |
| 17:33.59 | flo` | thanks |
| 17:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | Your isp probably has some. |
| 17:35.04 | n00ch | ok so apparently its any time i try to do an apt-get install, apt-get upgrade, etc.... i get some errors relating to the b43-legacy* package |
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| 17:35.27 | abrotman | n00ch: use a pastebin to show us |
| 17:37.01 | Bushmills | n00ch, any time you do, you get the same error, because the problem never got fixed |
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| 17:38.34 | n00ch | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/9e1Us61s |
| 17:38.45 | Guest31134 | hi guys, i going to download the debian image, the first DVD will leave me install the OS, or i will need to download all the DVD? |
| 17:39.00 | n00ch | Guest31134: you can just download the netinstall, which is just the first CD |
| 17:39.03 | abrotman | n00ch: aptitude remove firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 17:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: First DVD has the basic system in english |
| 17:39.12 | flo|linux | hah, gotcha =) |
| 17:39.12 | n00ch | Guest31134: that will gve you a bare min system |
| 17:39.18 | flo|linux | found a much easier solution. |
| 17:39.27 | flo|linux | the router can do ipv6-tunneling over ipv4. |
| 17:39.32 | flo|linux | enabled that, now it works. |
| 17:39.41 | flo|linux | but still thanks for the help |
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| 17:40.15 | Guest31134 | ok guys, so i wil download the netinstall, away, what about squeeze?, weekly build version is squeeze right? |
| 17:41.08 | abrotman | use the daily if you can |
| 17:41.32 | Guest31134 | abrotman: where can i get it? |
| 17:42.03 | karlpinc | Guest31134: You have a reason for wanting squeeze? There are downsides, like no security support yet. |
| 17:42.59 | omes | -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:43.03 | omes | oops, wrong chan |
| 17:43.05 | Guest31134 | karlpinc: i want to test some software, gnash and hwaccel on firefox |
| 17:43.52 | Guest31134 | i need to use last opengl to test firefox hwaccel |
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| 17:44.54 | roe | I need help with the slapd debian package |
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| 17:45.17 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:45.31 | karlpinc | !tell roe about ask |
| 17:45.49 | roe | what is the cn=admin,cn=config password set to |
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| 17:47.31 | karlpinc | roe: Last I paid attention the "root" cn was "Master", by default, and it's cn and password was configured in the slapd.conf file. That's about all I recall. |
| 17:47.53 | roe | your recollection is out of date |
| 17:48.09 | karlpinc | roe: It was about 10 years ago. |
| 17:48.25 | roe | there is no slapd.conf file anymore |
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| 17:48.58 | jelly-hme | where did it go?!? |
| 17:49.09 | roe | it is now its own dit |
| 17:49.29 | karlpinc | roe: dit? |
| 17:49.32 | jelly-hme | wonders what -rw-r----- 1 root openldap 5595 Sep 12 09:37 /etc/ldap/slapd.conf is, then |
| 17:49.35 | roe | directory information tree |
| 17:49.45 | roe | jelly, what version of slapd |
| 17:49.52 | jelly-hme | roe: the one in current debian |
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| 17:50.15 | roe | I'm working with the almost-current debian |
| 17:50.20 | jelly-hme | ii slapd 2.4.11-1+lenny2 OpenLDAP server (slapd) |
| 17:50.42 | iluminator101 | network manager is not managing eth0??? |
| 17:51.15 | iluminator101 | yet it manages the wireless network, it defaults to wireless network why? |
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| 17:52.30 | ramanK | Is the syntax of -A INPUT -i ! lo -d 127.0.0.0/8 -j REJECT is wrong? |
| 17:53.43 | abrotman | ramanK: #netfilter is a better place to ask |
| 17:54.01 | ramanK | abrotman: sorry :( . thanks for guide |
| 17:54.18 | codingrobot | is there any way to make dhclient be really verbose? i want to see which options the dhcp server provides to the client |
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| 17:54.59 | iluminator101 | abortman here is my interfaces http://debian.pastebin.com/FQzd1aCB |
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| 17:55.44 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:55.49 | abrotman | i didn't ask you a question |
| 17:56.20 | stew | abrotman: he was talking to abortman not abrotman |
| 17:56.33 | abrotman | ah okay .. i'll ignore him then :) |
| 17:56.44 | itchi | Hi, what has happen with slrn (pre1 release) in Squeeze? New configuration file, and no info on how to upgrade, or even basic docs is now missing :( |
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| 17:58.11 | iluminator101 | stew what about my problem network manager not managing eth0 |
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| 17:59.45 | itchi | And slrn website sucks now, after the new design :s |
| 18:00.08 | itchi | Someone still using slrn? Is kinda cool when tweaked |
| 18:00.44 | iluminator101 | abrotman, is this a bug ? |
| 18:01.30 | stew | iluminator101: see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian about how it determines which interfaces it manages |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | iluminator101: i didn't ask you a single question .. stop highlightingm e |
| 18:01.50 | itchi | abrotman: Heh, about my windows 7 issue there missing in Grub... Dunno if you remember, got it fixed with update-grub, yah, that simple lol |
| 18:02.03 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:02.17 | abrotman | wonder why it didn't do it on its own |
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| 18:02.36 | itchi | abrotman: Well, you guided me when i had that issue, now your informed how it fixed it :) |
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| 18:04.39 | itchi | abrotman: Well, you guided me when i had that issue, now your informed how it fixed it :) |
| 18:05.16 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, i find it strange too, but it's so :( Just that i still have a minor issue with Grub, it thinking i have 3 Windows os'es, while i only have one |
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| 18:07.07 | itchi | But it could be it's my fault. I have resized the win7 NTFS partition the Debian installer, now i'm getting an error with cfdisk: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 18:07.26 | itchi | with the Debian installer* |
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| 18:08.11 | jhutchins | iluminator101: You're running squeeze, right? |
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| 18:11.29 | jhutchins | iluminator101: Hello? |
| 18:11.35 | kerframil | hi. I need to use a newer version of lighttpd than that available in lenny. however, the version from testing requires libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) which means I'd have to pull that from testing also. I'm concerned about ABI breakage - should I be in this case? |
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| 18:13.49 | abrotman | judd: versions lighttpd |
| 18:13.51 | judd | Package lighttpd on i386 -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; sid: 1.4.28-1; squeeze: 1.4.28-1 |
| 18:13.57 | abrotman | no backport :( |
| 18:14.01 | kerframil | indeed :( |
| 18:14.47 | themill | appears to be a trivial backport |
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| 18:15.13 | RichiH | refresh my memory... where are the md5sums of installed packages' files stored? |
| 18:15.38 | jelly-hme | /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums, RichiH |
| 18:15.57 | jelly-hme | debsums is your friends |
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| 18:16.06 | jelly-hme | s/s$// |
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| 18:16.37 | RichiH | oh, neat |
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| 18:17.18 | kerframil | themill: its dependencies are modest, but libssl is something I'm nervous to change for obvious reasons |
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| 18:17.35 | simonrvn | kerframil: it would break, there's a backport of libssl iirc |
| 18:17.43 | kerframil | simonrvn: ooh, really? |
| 18:17.52 | kerframil | judd: versions libssl |
| 18:17.54 | simonrvn | let's see |
| 18:17.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libssl' was found in i386. |
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| 18:18.30 | simonrvn | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:18.31 | judd | Package libssl0.9.8 on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; sid: 0.9.8o-2; squeeze: 0.9.8o-2 |
| 18:18.39 | simonrvn | eh |
| 18:18.45 | jelly-hme | where's da backport |
| 18:18.46 | themill | kerframil: I'm not talking about installing the squeeze version, I'm talking about rebuilding the squeeze version for lenny. That way it's only API compatibility that is required not ABI compatibility. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:18.48 | simonrvn | you're on your own there.. |
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| 18:19.50 | kerframil | themill: sounds fine to me, but I lack experience with apt. will/msg as instructed. |
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| 18:19.58 | RichiH | running debsums on a ssd is... fast |
| 18:20.51 | kerframil | themill: that factoid is helpful - thanks |
| 18:20.56 | RichiH | (having to run it in the first place while booted in hrml sucks, though) |
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| 18:27.02 | kerframil | themill: just one other question, if I may ... what's the role of debian-packports in the process (step 2) given that the src package is being sourced from the testing/sid repo? |
| 18:27.47 | themill | kerframil: some of the build-depends you need will be from backports |
| 18:27.51 | kerframil | ah |
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| 18:28.01 | wrksx | How long can take the tests ran after a packagebuild ? |
| 18:28.02 | themill | lenny-backports: debhelper, libmysqlclient-dev, libldap2-dev, libsqlite3-dev |
| 18:28.34 | kerframil | themill: alright, I'll give it a shot. gracias. |
| 18:28.35 | simonrvn | i wonder why libssl* isn't backported, or gnutls? i mean, a lot of things dep on one or both |
| 18:28.48 | wrksx | I'm testing for nearly one hour now |
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| 18:30.31 | themill | simonrvn: I'd imagine that backporting them is a great way of breaking a lot of thing too. backports is supposed to be for discrete small things to minimise breakage of other applications. Given that an libssl transition is generally fairly painful in testing, I'd not want to try doing it in stable through bpo. |
| 18:30.34 | kerframil | simonrvn: I think the openssl devs keep fiddling with the API. I'm mainly a gentoo user and it's pretty much de-rigeur to recompile whatever links to libssl, even after updates that may appear modest in nature (whereas most other libraries maintain a stable API for protracted periods of time). |
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| 18:31.12 | kerframil | simonrvn: which would make it a catch 22 |
| 18:33.08 | vilpan | hi, is there any parallel boot system in the frozen Squeeze? Looks nice in Ubuntu 10.10, would be interesting to have some of the parallel loaders in debian :) |
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| 18:33.35 | simonrvn | themill: good point |
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| 18:34.05 | simonrvn | kerframil: pretty much what themill alluded to |
| 18:34.10 | nsadmin | what's the iceweasel plugin for mime type audio/scpls? |
| 18:34.39 | jelly-hme | does that stand for "some cream, please" |
| 18:34.41 | kerframil | simonrvn: yes. I'm pretty sure that backporting it would break a vast swathe of packages unless they were also rebuilt. at that point, I suppose you might ask the question "should I just be running sid outright?" ;) |
| 18:34.59 | jelly-hme | vilpan: upstart is there. |
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| 18:35.31 | vilpan | jelly-hme: thanks, I'll take a closer look at it |
| 18:35.49 | n00ch | abrotman: i know its way late. but thanks for the advice on the b43 apt-get error.... easy fix :) |
| 18:35.59 | nsadmin | jelly-hme: dunno... it's some streaming protocol |
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| 18:36.16 | abrotman | n00ch: enjoy |
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| 18:36.55 | jelly-hme | vilpan: I might be completely wrong about the name |
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| 18:38.24 | nsadmin | shoutcast |
| 18:40.19 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: it wouldn't be a .pls playlist, playable in almost any media/sound player? |
| 18:40.23 | vilpan | jelly-hme: wikipedia agrees with you on the name ;) |
| 18:40.43 | jelly-hme | vilpan: that's not saying much |
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| 18:42.24 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 18:43.19 | badzo | hi |
| 18:43.20 | nsadmin | shoutcast playlist, I think (having been googlin like mad) |
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| 18:44.32 | badzo | i tried moving /tmp to ram but no luck. i used 2 or 3 command from the internet and still it mounts to / |
| 18:44.43 | HackeMate | i want to access to ssh via port 22 and 80, is that possible? |
| 18:45.41 | nsadmin | and I got the mime type wrong, it's audio/x-scpls |
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| 18:46.13 | vilpan | jelly-hme: you mean that wikipedia is of questionable credibility? I usually start out my hunts for information there, but don't stop there. As with many other tools it serves its purpose well, if you use it well. |
| 18:46.25 | stew | HackeMate: yes, you can list "Port" more than once in sshd_config |
| 18:46.31 | badzo | i put "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0 " and "none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" to /etc/fstab but it still mounts in / :( do you have any idea? |
| 18:47.04 | kerframil | themill: I installed build-essential quite some time ago and it will have been updated from the stock repo since. having added in the appropriate source, apt-get -s -t lenny-backports build-essential is a no-op ... is that expected? |
| 18:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | !upstart |
| 18:47.05 | dpkg | methinks upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 18:48.16 | themill | kerframil: b-e won't have changed. There are however a pile of other build-deps you require installed too. That's the next step. |
| 18:48.30 | kerframil | themill: got it |
| 18:48.41 | themill | kerframil: some of those other build-dependencies will come from backports. (the ones I listed earlier) |
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| 18:51.12 | djura-san | o/ |
| 18:51.49 | zealiod | how can i use tc or iptables to shape bandwidth by MAC address? |
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| 18:52.35 | HackeMate | stew, thanks |
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| 18:53.09 | Guest31134 | how is the SATA support mode in Debian? |
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| 18:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Pretty much the same as it is for any linux I guess. |
| 18:55.58 | jelly-hme | Guest31134: just like any other linux, it depends on the kernel drivers and hardware |
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| 18:57.13 | pingouin | Guest31134: newer hardware means troubles with sata....and debian stable, hard to install from netinstall without upgrade kernel |
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| 18:57.14 | Guest31134 | jelly-hme so i don´t need to set my hard to IDE in the BIOS anymore? |
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| 18:57.22 | doublehp | how to ask logrotate to use dateext for syslogs ? |
| 18:57.30 | doublehp | and keep them more than 1 week |
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| 18:58.19 | Guest31134 | pingouin: the actual Debian is Etch right? |
| 18:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: We haven't seen any SATA problems reported here, and I haven't seen any trouble since lenny. |
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| 18:58.40 | jelly-hme | Guest31134: again, it depends on the support in the kernel (the kernel that comes with the installer in this case) |
| 18:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: We're actually on lenny now, 5.0.6. |
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| 18:59.10 | Guest31134 | right, sorry |
| 18:59.13 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: etch is no longer supported. |
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| 18:59.18 | doublehp | worth a KB ! |
| 18:59.22 | Guest31134 | lenny are :D} |
| 18:59.27 | jelly-hme | doublehp: you'll want to use a syslog implementation that actually uses logrotate, rsyslog in lenny does. |
| 18:59.27 | CharminTheMoose | Damn GNAA. :P |
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| 19:00.04 | doublehp | jelly-hme: you mean that my syslog may rotate logs itself ? |
| 19:00.05 | jelly-hme | doublehp: the olde sysklogd thing has its own scripts and tools for rotating |
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| 19:00.11 | doublehp | sux |
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| 19:00.30 | doublehp | but explains my problem . jelly-hme thanks. d not have found this laone |
| 19:00.33 | jelly-hme | doublehp: no, sysklogd. sux is something completely different |
| 19:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | Um, not in other releases, logrotate's been around for many years. |
| 19:00.44 | diddy | Debian has a terminal server client. |
| 19:01.09 | diddy | Can I use that to connect to Windows systems that allow remote desktop connections? |
| 19:01.21 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: and Debian never thought to replacing savelog & friends with logrotate for syslogd. |
| 19:01.21 | petemc | rdesktop |
| 19:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | diddy: Yeah, rdesktop works great. |
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| 19:01.50 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: compare RHEL, they've done it a long time ago |
| 19:01.59 | Agiofws | debhelper, help |
| 19:02.07 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Yeah, I come from pre-EL RH. |
| 19:02.10 | diddy | Cool. I didn't one one can connect from Linux to Windows via Remote Desktop. |
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| 19:02.20 | pingouin | Guest31134: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ keep this, it could be usefull, with the http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:02.27 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, it's a great way to manage windows boxes. |
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| 19:02.59 | jelly-hme | or to connect to them and poke on Windows-only tools |
| 19:03.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 19:03.05 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to get autotools to use the m4 in path instead the one in /usr/bin? |
| 19:03.10 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by themill |
| 19:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: I don't really think he's going to have a problem if his hardware is old enough to do emulation. |
| 19:03.12 | diddy | OK, today is spamming day? |
| 19:03.20 | Guest31134 | guys, my problem actually is the next, i was using Fedora 12, today i want to upgrade it to Fedora 14, it fails, i don't know why, but now i want to install Debian AMD64, but can't start any livecd, all keep freezed, so i can't download the image of Debian net instal, i just have netinstall 4.0, but it doesn't load.. |
| 19:03.22 | Agiofws | !ops |
| 19:03.22 | dpkg | ops is probably Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 19:03.24 | FilipeMaia | I'm trying to compile something in a system with an old m4 so i installed my own |
| 19:03.38 | jelly-hme | Guest31134: 4.0 is very old |
| 19:03.41 | djura-san | for god sake, ban those spamers.... |
| 19:03.46 | Agiofws | dpkg: ops spam |
| 19:03.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: agiofws complains about: spam |
| 19:03.54 | mentor | I think we know |
| 19:03.57 | petemc | Agiofws: they're being killed, they know about it |
| 19:04.00 | Agiofws | heh ok ... |
| 19:04.03 | mentor | points at themill |
| 19:04.09 | themill | djura-san: feel free to provide staff with a comprehensive list of IP addresses. |
| 19:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Could be a hardware problem. |
| 19:04.25 | djura-san | themill: i would if i know how... :( |
| 19:04.32 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: It might be helpful to know what point it freezes at. |
| 19:04.33 | stew | djura-san: you do see that they are being banned at a network level, right? |
| 19:04.43 | jelly-hme | themill: I've suggested ingress antispam (keyword) filters a long time ago :-> |
| 19:04.50 | Guest31134 | jhutchins_lt: that i believe, but my machine it's very newer |
| 19:04.57 | themill | jelly-hme: â #freenode ;) |
| 19:05.02 | jelly-hme | indeed |
| 19:05.11 | Guest31134 | not so new, but still new, like 8 months |
| 19:05.20 | djura-san | stew: i hope. My away/ban etc msgs are hidden in irssi so i dont know actually :) |
| 19:05.23 | Guest31134 | a Gateway NV5214u |
| 19:05.31 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: We can make general speculations, but an actual answer would depend on the specific hardware - what chipset? |
| 19:05.42 | Guest31134 | jhutchins_lt: RS780 |
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| 19:06.02 | jelly-hme | Guest31134: first thing I'd do, is try the kmuto installer or the standard latest 5.0 netinst |
| 19:06.49 | Guest31134 | jelly-hme: but i can't download any image :D |
| 19:07.00 | jelly-hme | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:07.00 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 19:07.03 | Guest31134 | now i'm on a netbook talking} |
| 19:07.05 | pingouin | Guest31134: wich is the motherboard ? brand / model ? |
| 19:07.34 | Guest31134 | pingouin: my laptop it's a Gateway NV5241u |
| 19:07.36 | Guest31134 | sorry |
| 19:07.40 | Guest31134 | NV5214u |
| 19:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Should be compatible if you had F12, works with U9.10. |
| 19:07.54 | Guest31134 | jhutchins_lt: it should works... |
| 19:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Shouldn't be any kms issues in lenny. |
| 19:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: You are installing lenny, right? |
| 19:08.29 | Guest31134 | i just try with lot of livecd to download the image and install |
| 19:08.33 | doublehp | exim is dabled in my box; which other mail system may be installed ? |
| 19:09.33 | pingouin | postfix maybe ? |
| 19:09.35 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Without knowing the details of where and how it fails we really can't help you. It sounds like you may have a hardware problem if F12 installed but newer releases won't. |
| 19:09.51 | jelly-hme | doublehp: why is it disabled? |
| 19:10.12 | Guest31134 | jhutchins_lt: the newer system i have it's ubuntu 10.04, i tried with Debian 4.0 XFCE livecd, buntu 10.04, gentoo livecd 2008, drweb 5.1, all fails when loading the system |
| 19:10.17 | doublehp | K20exim4 long time ago, forgot why |
| 19:10.35 | jelly-hme | doublehp: so enable it and find out |
| 19:10.39 | Guest31134 | FEdora 14 fails randomly installing the packages |
| 19:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | Guest31134: Without knowing the details of where and how it fails we really can't help you. It sounds like you may have a hardware problem if F12 installed but newer releases won't. |
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| 19:11.03 | pingouin | Guest31134: any errors on the screen log |
| 19:11.25 | pingouin | Guest31134: if you are graphic install, you can switch to console to read the message |
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| 19:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | Gateway doesn't specify chipsets, looks like pretty fancy hardware. |
| 19:12.55 | pingouin | Guest31134: you switch with ctrl+alt+F1 F2 F3 to have console 1, 2, 3 if i dont make mistake |
| 19:13.13 | pingouin | and F7 is the graphic install |
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| 19:18.03 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder how you compare performance between an intel atom and a core2? |
| 19:18.19 | Xanbreon | atom is slower |
| 19:18.24 | Xanbreon | A lot slower |
| 19:18.24 | Xanbreon | =p |
| 19:18.43 | mee | ariel atom is way faster |
| 19:18.55 | Xanbreon | Face stretching goodness |
| 19:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | Xanbreon: There are a lot of different atoms and core2s. |
| 19:19.23 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: time make -j3 bzImage ? :) on a fresh kernel |
| 19:19.39 | Xanbreon | jhutchins_lt: and pretty much every atom is slower than every core2 :P |
| 19:20.35 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: Impractical if I have to buy them first then return the slower one. |
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| 19:21.14 | jhutchins_lt | And where does a 2.4GHz Celeron weigh in? |
| 19:21.18 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, OT. |
| 19:21.24 | Xanbreon | jhutchins_lt: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2 |
| 19:21.29 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: sure :/ |
| 19:21.55 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: you have to read some reviews |
| 19:23.25 | itchi | Hi does someone have a nice slrn theme? Stuff on they website is gone :( |
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| 19:24.13 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: you look for the faster processor ? |
| 19:24.18 | Xanbreon | jhutchins_lt: the 2.20ghz Celeron E1500 is about twice as fast as the atom D510 |
| 19:24.49 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: i7 or even i5 are faster than core now |
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| 19:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: The hinge on my old Toshiba died, and I'm trying to compare the old 2.4G Celeron - which according to family/model/stepping should be a 3GHz P4 - with what I can buy now. |
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| 19:26.43 | pingouin | ok |
| 19:27.01 | Xanbreon | jhutchins_lt: anything core2 based or newer will be a lot faster, orders of magnitude |
| 19:27.22 | Xanbreon | atoms will be faster in some workloads but use a LOT less power |
| 19:27.31 | pingouin | and i i'm waiting the new debian to go out stable, to change for an i7.....hoping the sata on newer motherboard will be in this kernel for install :/ |
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| 19:29.00 | pingouin | why does sata always change ?! by the way , was IDE had the same trouble each time a new motherboard was issued ?! |
| 19:29.49 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: you *can* use newer kernels with stable... |
| 19:30.16 | JasonWoof1 | why do you want to run stable on a laptop? |
| 19:30.45 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: yes i know, but at the stage of installation, if the sata is not detected/supported....i'm stuck |
| 19:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | JasonWoof1: Because stable just works? Because they just got intel graphics workin on squeeze last week? |
| 19:31.11 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: that's why kmuto install images are around |
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| 19:31.40 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: the only thing i already done, was to plug a new HD in and old case, install, build a new kernel from kernel.org, than plug back the HD in the new case/motherboard |
| 19:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | JasonWoof1: Because you actually use the laptop to do work, instead of working on the laptop? |
| 19:32.01 | wagle | can anyone tell me how to find an op for #firefox? i'm banned for no apparent reason, and /stats p shows nothing |
| 19:32.02 | kerframil | themill: aside from some tedious config file reconciliation, that went well. ten internets for you, sir. |
| 19:32.17 | themill | kerframil: excellent. Have fun with it. |
| 19:32.20 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: you can do that too, but the kmuto images have the newest kernels, and they usually work |
| 19:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | wagle: It's possible someone from your ISP was banned too broadly. |
| 19:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | wagle: You can ask in #freenode. |
| 19:32.36 | dondelelcaro | wagle: ask in #freenode or similar; staff can help you |
| 19:32.44 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: yep, i knew it too late :) |
| 19:32.45 | jelly-hme | staff likes to hide apparently |
| 19:32.54 | wagle | ah.. thats the trick.. thanks |
| 19:33.01 | JasonWoof1 | jhutchins_lt: but... lenny doesn't "just work" on new laptops, unstable is much more likely to. |
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| 19:33.18 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof1: if you use the right images, it will |
| 19:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | JasonWoof1: Unstable is unstable. It breaks. |
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| 19:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | JasonWoof1: 'sides, depends on the laptop. |
| 19:33.53 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: you have to admit, if newer xorg drivers are required, the stable game is pretty much lost |
| 19:34.00 | Nwallins | Hi, can I reduce the size of /var/cache/apt/archives safely? |
| 19:34.08 | JasonWoof1 | dondelelcaro: yeah? there's some way to get a newer kernel/drivers and still run lenny? maybe I know too little to talk about this |
| 19:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: There is definitely a set of GPU's for which that's true. |
| 19:34.27 | cahoot | Nwallins: aptitude clean |
| 19:34.28 | pingouin | Nwallins: apt-get clean ? |
| 19:34.29 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Did you have the Intel bug? |
| 19:34.41 | Nwallins | cahoot: pingouin: thx |
| 19:34.43 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof1: yes. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:34.52 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof1: and we have backported kernels too |
| 19:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:35.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 19:35.08 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: what Intel bug? I had 3-4 in the last year, can you be more specific? |
| 19:35.28 | jhutchins_lt | The Black Screen of Death on 855/915 stuff. |
| 19:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | The fix made it to squeeze. |
| 19:35.48 | pingouin | why we can't have the lastest kernel in stable installer :/ |
| 19:35.49 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: no, my i915GM works lurvly |
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| 19:36.09 | jhutchins_lt | 855 works pretty cleanly as well. |
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| 19:36.15 | jelly-hme | shrug |
| 19:36.30 | jelly-hme | pingouin: what, like /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | That reminds me, need to figure out the mailing list blockage and report the scanner issue. |
| 19:36.56 | jelly-hme | pingouin: it's not the latest kernel, but at least it's vintage 2010 |
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| 19:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | I did have to take a motherboard back and get an older model when I built an Etch server once. |
| 19:38.20 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: when xorg breaks, I don't have time to wait for fixes to come to testing. If such is the case, I use the latest in (testing, unstable, experimental), or fall back to a snapshot that doesn't break |
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| 19:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Yup. I boot back to stable and wait. |
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| 19:39.50 | jelly-hme | yeah, that's viable if stable works on your hardware |
| 19:40.06 | JasonWoof1 | How often does xorg break in unstable? |
| 19:40.16 | abrotman | what about the rest of unstable? |
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| 19:40.38 | wagle | someone's already upset i evaded the ban |
| 19:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | There's been a lot of breakage due to the adoption of kms. |
| 19:41.00 | jelly-hme | JasonWoof1: that's a complex question. Is "DRI failing" a breakage? Is "truetype fonts sometimes bugged" a breakage? |
| 19:41.41 | JasonWoof1 | jelly-hme: those could be annoying, but I'm thinking more "gnome won't start" |
| 19:41.45 | jelly-hme | JasonWoof1: is "you have to be careful choosing the video output 'cause either gl or xv might not be working" a breakage? |
| 19:43.00 | jhutchins_lt | BSOD and no console access is definitely broken. |
| 19:43.12 | jelly-hme | JasonWoof1: oh. If what you really mean is "X doesn't start", then I can say it doesn't happen too often... for chipsets that I work with. |
| 19:43.30 | jelly-hme | it's not a BSOD if you can ssh in! |
| 19:43.59 | JasonWoof1 | jelly-hme: not BSOD maybe, but definitely the BS part |
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| 19:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Mine had a non-ssh mode. |
| 19:44.38 | jelly-hme | BSoDontUpgradeTooOftenThen |
| 19:45.01 | jelly-hme | also known as DontUpgradeIfYouHaveStuffToDo |
| 19:45.25 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: I didn't have a pre-BSOD version of squeeze. |
| 19:45.59 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: weird, kms doesn' |
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| 19:46.04 | jelly-hme | t seem that old |
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| 19:46.16 | JasonWoof1 | I've been running unstable for about 6 months now, and updating on average once a day, and had so serious issues |
| 19:46.29 | jelly-hme | JasonWoof1: just you wait...! |
| 19:46.35 | JasonWoof1 | hehe |
| 19:46.36 | jhutchins_lt | JasonWoof1: unstable or testing? |
| 19:46.40 | JasonWoof1 | unstable |
| 19:47.04 | JasonWoof1 | just stupid little bugs, like how pidgin won't let me change my nick rightnow |
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| 19:47.44 | jelly-hme | it's brave souls like you that make my mostly-testing machine bereft of brown paper bag bugs |
| 19:48.01 | JasonWoof1 | you're welcome :) |
| 19:49.09 | wrksx | I finished my package rebuilt but I end up with many packages, are depedencies rebuilt too ? |
| 19:49.52 | nsadmin | what's a brown paper bag bug? |
| 19:50.36 | nsadmin | wrksx, sometimes a single source will generate many packages; they're not deps |
| 19:50.37 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: a bug where you want to wear a brown paper bag over your head after |
| 19:50.44 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: see the jargon file |
| 19:52.02 | wrksx | nsadmin, ok thanks. |
| 19:52.35 | wrksx | what could be the difference beetween these two packages ? |
| 19:52.36 | wrksx | mysql-server_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_all.deb |
| 19:52.45 | wrksx | mysql-server-5.1_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_amd64.deb |
| 19:53.00 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: DSA-1571 might be a nice example |
| 19:53.04 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: they're totally different packages |
| 19:53.12 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: one is mysql-server, the other is mysql-server-5.1 |
| 19:53.13 | metalfoo | wrksx: Note the architecture. |
| 19:53.31 | metalfoo | Beside of what dondelelcaro said |
| 19:53.43 | nsadmin | wrksx, the actual package name starts on the left of the -file- name and runs to the first _ |
| 19:53.59 | wrksx | ok |
| 19:54.42 | wrksx | mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.1 somehow ? |
| 19:55.09 | wrksx | I mean aptitude showed it as a metapackage. |
| 19:55.20 | metalfoo | The first is a virtual package, heading the newest actual version available. |
| 19:55.32 | dondelelcaro | metalfoo: it's a metapackage, actually... |
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| 19:56.02 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: yes; it's the meta package which depends on the current version of the mysql server. |
| 19:56.04 | metalfoo | Ah, you are right. |
| 19:56.27 | wrksx | and does the metapackage I created will use the package I created ( mysql-server_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_all.deb mysql-server-5.1_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_amd64.deb) |
| 19:56.34 | dondelelcaro | (virtual packages don't actually exist; meta packages are real packages whose primary purpose is to depend on other packages) |
| 19:56.36 | foetus | likes his black backpack by cycling few miles a day but no bags better known as meta packages ;) |
| 19:56.47 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:57.09 | wrksx | I mean I wish to install mysql-server_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_all.deb |
| 19:57.29 | nsadmin | the _amd64 one is the actual server |
| 19:57.59 | nsadmin | the _all one might just depend on the _amd64 one but not have content inside |
| 19:58.11 | nsadmin | remember I said "might" |
| 19:58.17 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: so add a backports.org sources.list, and aptitude install -t lenny-backports mysql-server-5.1; or whatever is apropriate |
| 19:58.39 | metalfoo | dondelelcaro: Do you know how virtual packages in fact look like in the control file, is it just the Provides:? |
| 19:58.49 | wrksx | dondelelcaro, nono I have aditionnal files to compile sources with |
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| 19:59.26 | dondelelcaro | metalfoo: they aren't real packages, they're just "packages" that packages depend on and other packages provide |
| 19:59.36 | wrksx | so I used dpkg-packagebuilt and I end up with multiples packages. |
| 19:59.48 | nsadmin | yes |
| 19:59.59 | dondelelcaro | metalfoo: an example is mail-transport-agent |
| 20:00.35 | metalfoo | I know, but I'm doing some debian packaging by myself, I was just curious how I'd provide such a virtual package provided by another |
| 20:00.47 | dondelelcaro | metalfoo: Provides: mail-transport-agent in the control file |
| 20:01.00 | wrksx | and I wish to install my version of the mysql-server package which should use my version of the mysql-server-5.1 |
| 20:01.07 | dondelelcaro | metalfoo: see policy §7.5 |
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| 20:01.14 | metalfoo | dondelelcaro: Great, thank you |
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| 20:01.37 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 20:01.39 | wrksx | is this possible ? |
| 20:01.53 | drags | could anyone explain this oddity with my PS1 / a pretty stock (unchanged) install: |
| 20:01.56 | drags | http://paste.debian.net/98079/ |
| 20:02.01 | dondelelcaro | wrksx: you don't need to install the mysql-server package. Just install the mysql-server-5.1 package |
| 20:02.38 | nsadmin | sure, you would install your .deb using dpkg -i (the deb file) |
| 20:02.38 | drags | the fact that \W is replaced with cahhe, when the name of the directory is cache is the oddity |
| 20:02.53 | wrksx | dondelelcaro, i'll try thank you |
| 20:02.59 | nsadmin | for other tricks dpkg can do... see dpkg --help |
| 20:03.53 | nsadmin | fyi, apt-get, apt, synaptic, aptitude etc etc were all built after dpkg existed |
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| 20:07.53 | jpinx-eeepc | will a chroot work into a vfat filesystem? |
| 20:08.15 | nsadmin | probably... why not? |
| 20:08.26 | metalfoo | Don't see the reason why not. You will require a shell within though |
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| 20:09.00 | nsadmin | the thing is vfat obviously doesn 't have unix-style owners/permissions |
| 20:09.14 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a complete mounted image to copy onto a SD card which I want to usse as a chroot, but SD cards are vfat by default |
| 20:09.26 | nsadmin | so I (for one) am not so clear on why you'd want to do that |
| 20:09.36 | frikinz | and no links |
| 20:09.43 | nsadmin | you could reformat it |
| 20:09.44 | metalfoo | Maybe you want to take a look on unionfs |
| 20:10.02 | metalfoo | No, not unionfs |
| 20:10.22 | metalfoo | What was this filesystem supporting Unix permissions on top of VFAT? |
| 20:10.30 | metalfoo | By just putting meta files |
| 20:10.36 | jpinx-eeepc | no thanks - I'm happy that ext 2/3 works |
| 20:10.59 | jpinx-eeepc | let me see about umounting it and doing a makefsn |
| 20:11.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am using a windows XP guest on virt-manager with kvm as the hypervisor. it seems the installation performance of the guest OS and regular usage is a bit laggy considering infront of virtualbox-ose. Any suggestions? |
| 20:11.48 | jelly-hme | metalfoo: there had been a umsdos once. There wasn't a uvfat as far as I know. |
| 20:12.12 | metalfoo | Exactly, umsdos I mean |
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| 20:13.36 | jelly-hme | it only worked atop fat16 (and perhaps fat12) |
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| 20:14.12 | metalfoo | Mhm, has been a while since I last used Microsoft operating systems, you see ;) |
| 20:14.27 | grondilu | Hi, I see that "softbeep" has been removed both from testing and unstable. I'm on Sid and I need this package. Any alternative ? http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/softbeep.html |
| 20:14.33 | frikinz | Does dhcp automatically trigger if I plug something on the ethernet port? |
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| 20:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | does a partition have to be mounted to do mkfs? |
| 20:16.36 | metalfoo | umounted |
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| 20:16.46 | metalfoo | For every mkfs you want to do |
| 20:17.03 | qwd | Is there anything similar to org-mode? I'm not a programmer so emacs isn't really for me and installing 108mb *just* to use org-mode seems a bit overkill. |
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| 20:17.27 | jpinx-eeepc | metalfoo: cheers |
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| 20:17.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jpinx-eeepc : long time dude |
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| 20:17.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | you made me switch to lxde on Debian |
| 20:18.03 | frikinz | laptop-net seems to do it |
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| 20:19.12 | doublehp | any VNC client that will resize the client windows when the desktop resolution changes ? |
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| 20:20.08 | chlue | Hello I try to build kdevelop 4.1, but some features requires some addtional development files. I would expect to find them in a kdeutils-dev pkg, but such a package does not exist. Are the files not there, or where should I expect them? The cmake output is this: http://pastebin.ca/1973133 |
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| 20:22.56 | elliott | What's the easiest way to install a cross-compiler that outputs to a.out? |
| 20:23.53 | jimcooncat | doublehp: xvnc4viewer does it for me |
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| 20:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | chlue, I don't know those libraries, but if you know the exact filename, you can search for it with apt-file |
| 20:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell chlue -about apt-file |
| 20:25.14 | doublehp | jimcooncat: -4 ? |
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| 20:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are things like okteta: /usr/lib/liboktetakastencore.so.4, which might be related, or perhaps there is no debian package with those |
| 20:26.22 | jimcooncat | doublehp: sorry, I was looking at my old 'buntu box. I'd think it would be the same debian package name, but not sure |
| 20:26.39 | doublehp | jimcooncat: thanks, that's enough |
| 20:26.51 | chlue | CutMeOwnThroat: This is the way I usually follow, but I get not hits. I begin to think the lib only exists in kde 4.5.x |
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| 20:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | chlue, you could look into the failing tests for the filenames connected with those... all I see that looks kind of related is in the okteta package |
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| 20:29.35 | chlue | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes and that packet is installed. Ok I think I will just ignore this optional feature for now :-) |
| 20:29.45 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude build-deps kdevelop? |
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| 20:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ell.... |
| 20:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | they just leave! |
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| 20:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | cdbs, debhelper (>= 7.4.15), quilt, cmake, pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.6.4), kdevplatform-dev (>= 1.0.1), kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.4.1), shared-mime-info |
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| 20:53.18 | jelly-hme | jimcooncat: sixteen characters in the nickname ought to be enough for anyone |
| 20:55.09 | jimcooncat | is now known as oogieboogiemonsterwiththegreenteeth |
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| 20:56.03 | Xanbreon | problem is that /me's show up in a diff colour to nick changes ;) |
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| 20:56.32 | pyther | Hello |
| 20:56.45 | pyther | the apt-get processed is stopped, how can I unstop it? |
| 20:56.52 | pyther | ps aux reports a T next to apt-get |
| 20:56.53 | chlue | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for the help. I have asked in kdevelop if KDE4.5.x is required for that and they affirmed it. So no wonder I didn't find the files in debian testing/unstable. |
| 20:58.16 | wrksx | How can I satisfy these depedencies using the packages I just built ? see -> http://pastie.org/1248410 |
| 20:59.27 | wrksx | i ran the command dpkg -i ./mysql-server-5.1_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_amd64.deb |
| 20:59.31 | babilen | wrksx: Install the packages your package depend on -- see debian/control |
| 20:59.46 | stew | wrksx: dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb package3.deb... |
| 20:59.53 | wrksx | babilen, I should install packages in the good order ? |
| 21:00.03 | wrksx | stew, ok |
| 21:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | chlue, right... can't find what's not there :) |
| 21:04.24 | wrksx | if i dpkg -i package1.deb, then can I uninstall it ? |
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| 21:07.12 | babilen | sure -- it will just not be automatically removed if you remove all packages that depend on it. Easily fixable with "aptitude markauto PKG1 ⦠PKGN" though |
| 21:07.37 | wrksx | kewl |
| 21:07.44 | wrksx | thank you all |
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| 21:08.11 | babilen | (for all the packages you install manually as a dependency -- but you can easily install all the packages needed for mysql with aptitude (no need to download the .deb manually and install them with dpkg -i) |
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| 21:08.56 | wrksx | babilen can i use aptitude to solve the dependencies using my own packages ? |
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| 21:13.29 | frikinz | probably, as it's a backport. or dpkg -i and then apt-get install -f |
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| 21:14.35 | babilen | ⦠or aptitude install -f |
| 21:15.28 | themill | careful... I've seen aptitude decide that removing the package was clearly the best thing to do in that case. Just "aptitude install packagename" should be sufficient at that stage, -f is unneeded and unwanted) |
| 21:15.41 | maximi89 | jhutchins:hey dude, i was here before talking about the laptop gateway who can't install or run any linux :D |
| 21:16.51 | maximi89 | i had removed the HDD from the laptop, now it just keep trying to load something from the optical unit, and then it just stay trying.. |
| 21:17.07 | babilen | themill: thanks for clarifying that. |
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| 21:20.18 | maximi89_ | my mobile computer just shutdown when it stay a time in use... probably a temperature problem.... but still without loading any livecd |
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| 21:21.21 | Juul | how do i find out if i'm running debian stable, testing or unstable if my sources.list is gone? |
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| 21:22.04 | babilen | !what version |
| 21:22.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:22.04 | metalfoo | Your package versions tell. Also /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:23.37 | Juul | thanks :) |
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| 21:24.00 | pyther | I reflashed my n900 and installed call notify and it keeps crashing when I try to set any settings. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 21:24.15 | babilen | pyther: #maemo might |
| 21:24.33 | pyther | babilen: woops sorry, I though I was in the maemo channel :P |
| 21:24.52 | babilen | pyther: No problem :) |
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| 21:35.18 | Amnesia | hm any known problems with vlc 1.3.3 on squeeze? |
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| 21:35.31 | Amnesia | cause dpms keeps blanking the screen during playback |
| 21:35.34 | Amnesia | kinda annoying.. |
| 21:35.55 | Amnesia | it doesnt disable dpms while the option is enabled in vlc |
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| 21:39.56 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: if you mean 1.1.3-1 package, it worksforme (on an xfce desktop) |
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| 21:43.50 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: hm strange |
| 21:44.04 | Amnesia | gonna try the newest version from the videolan repos now.. |
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| 21:54.36 | SparFux | Hi all. |
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| 21:55.18 | SparFux | HAL is said to be obsolete. What is the "way-to-go" USB automounting mechanism in Debian? |
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| 22:01.35 | nsadmin | I know there's a way to run mostly 64b userland with some special libs/executables that are 32b... can I do the opposite? that is, run mostly 32b userland (from an i386 install) and have some 64b? |
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| 22:01.45 | nsadmin | all with 64b kernel that is |
| 22:01.58 | simonrvn | SparFux: i use usbmount |
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| 22:02.17 | simonrvn | probably |
| 22:02.18 | KhashayaR- | hi, I just have complied the psybnc on my server and its running I have got more then 40 ips in my server and I really dont know with which one I can connect to it please advise me thanks |
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| 22:03.05 | simonrvn | why would we know any more than you? you need to provide more details. |
| 22:03.54 | wrksx | a BROEN package means it misses some depedencies ? |
| 22:03.59 | wrksx | BROKEN |
| 22:04.15 | simonrvn | it depends (pun not intended) |
| 22:05.08 | wrksx | How can I clean these broken packages ? |
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| 22:06.33 | simonrvn | like the other guy, you need to provide more details. |
| 22:06.57 | streuner | hands simonrvn the glass thingie |
| 22:07.33 | wrksx | Ok, what I try to achieve is to have a modified version of mysql-server on my machine. |
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| 22:08.02 | simonrvn | why? |
| 22:08.34 | wrksx | simonrvn, because I need to use a particular plugin which is not compiled in the debian version |
| 22:08.36 | themill | wrksx: the output of "apt-get -f install" would probably be handy at this stage |
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| 22:09.39 | wrksx | themill, ok let's try this |
| 22:10.11 | wrksx | but i've been told not to use apt-get if I ever used aptitude before. what do you think about that ? |
| 22:10.47 | JoshH | i've had aptitude cause weird issues, so i stick with apt-get |
| 22:11.09 | JoshH | wonder if anyone still uses dselect |
| 22:11.13 | wrksx | hum ok then... |
| 22:11.40 | wrksx | themill, meant apt-get install mysql-server_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_all.deb ?? |
| 22:11.54 | themill | wrksx: no, I meant "apt-get -f install" |
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| 22:12.42 | wrksx | themill, http://pastie.org/1248613 |
| 22:13.03 | wrksx | themill, nothing's installed atm |
| 22:13.26 | themill | show nothing's broken then... what am I missing here? |
| 22:14.02 | wrksx | themill, ok i'll run dpkg -i mysql-server_5.1.49-1~bpo50+1_all.deb |
| 22:14.10 | wrksx | and then paste the result |
| 22:14.23 | themill | wrksx: also run "apt-get -f install". |
| 22:14.30 | wrksx | ok |
| 22:14.46 | SparFux | usbmount. hm.... |
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| 22:16.35 | wrksx | themill, http://pastie.org/1248613 -> it shows my problem |
| 22:16.37 | wrksx | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 22:16.38 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.04 | wrksx | I need to use my own mysql-server-5.1 to satisfy the dependence |
| 22:17.24 | themill | wrksx: I'm not seeing any problem other than you pressed "n" at the end rather than "y". |
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| 22:18.08 | themill | wrksx: actually... your build will have made quite a few other .debs than the one you've installed there. You should be installing them with dpkg -i too. |
| 22:19.01 | jelly-home | so in the same dpkg -i install all the packages that apt-get would have installed |
| 22:19.07 | wrksx | themill, ok I think I understand |
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| 22:19.26 | jelly-home | except that perl bit |
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| 22:20.22 | jelly-home | a changelog entry and a bumped version might have helped in discerning the rebuild from the "original backport" |
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| 22:21.52 | wrksx | jelly-home, atm I'm just testing, i'm using the original debian sources |
| 22:22.13 | wrksx | debian backport sources |
| 22:22.59 | wrksx | it seems to work nicely, I'm gonna test this a little bit and then try with the modified sources |
| 22:23.18 | jelly-home | wrksx: it doesn't matter. If you don't bump the version in debian/changelog, you can't know if the current install is your own build or the one from the repo |
| 22:23.50 | wrksx | jelly-home, you mean I can't know at all or I have to remember ? |
| 22:24.19 | jelly-home | wrksx: you have to remember. you can use "dch" tool in the unpacked source tree to generate a changelog entry for the custom build |
| 22:24.40 | jelly-home | (next time you rebuild it) |
| 22:24.42 | wrksx | jelly-home, thank you, that's what i'll do. |
| 22:24.51 | themill | "apt-cache policy packagename" will tell you, but it's better to have a different version number for different versions of the package. And more importantly, it will stop apt trying to get rid of the custom package in favour of the one from the repo |
| 22:24.52 | wrksx | jelly-home, next rebuilt is right now |
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| 22:25.56 | wrksx | themill, how can I have a different version number of the packkage ? |
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| 22:26.49 | themill | wrksx: exactly what jelly-home said. You create a changelog entry. (that's what dpkg told you to do too) |
| 22:27.48 | jelly-home | what? I didn't say it! You can't prove anything! |
| 22:27.58 | wrksx | ok thank you both ! |
| 22:28.02 | jelly-home | looks around nervously |
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| 22:38.35 | zomgbie_ | do i have to make a package in order to use wordpress 3.0.1? the version in apt is pretty old! |
| 22:40.00 | themill | ,versions wordpress |
| 22:40.01 | judd | Package wordpress on i386 -- etch-security: 2.0.10-1etch5; etch: 2.0.10-1etch6; lenny-security: 2.5.1-11+lenny1; lenny: 2.5.1-11+lenny3; lenny-backports: 3.0.1-2~bpo50+1; sid: 3.0.1-2; squeeze: 3.0.1-2 |
| 22:40.06 | themill | dpkg: tell zomgbie_ about bdo |
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| 22:43.55 | wrksx | it is a pain to try to create my first rebuilt with a hudge package as mysql-server. compiling took nearly 2 hours the first time. |
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| 22:47.25 | themill | wrksx: if it's compiling that takes the time, look at ccache (or distcc if you have multiple machines). If it's running the tests, then see if debian/rules supports "nocheck" to suppress running the tests. |
| 22:48.03 | wrksx | themill, yes tests took 1 hour |
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| 22:48.34 | wrksx | themill, is it safe to interrupt dpkg-packagebuild ? |
| 22:49.13 | themill | well, it will start from the beginning again, if that's what you mean. |
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| 22:51.15 | wrksx | themill, ok that's fine. |
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| 22:53.07 | wrksx | themill, I think debian/rules show it is possible to skip tests but how ? |
| 22:53.33 | themill | !nocheck |
| 22:53.33 | dpkg | When building packages, you might be able to use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage" to suppress running of automated tests at build time. Note that running tests is generally a good thing to make sure your build went OK. Not all packages support this option; see <policy> s4.9.1 for details and consider filing a wishlist bug if the package doesn't do so and the tests take a while to run. |
| 22:54.35 | wrksx | http://pastie.org/1248713 |
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| 22:56.14 | wrksx | it is designed to be used in a single line like this : DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us |
| 22:56.18 | wrksx | ? |
| 22:56.33 | themill | yes |
| 22:57.00 | wrksx | ok, thank you. |
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| 22:57.51 | istevenmon | anyone here on debian kfreebsd? i want to know if it is possible to port OpenBSD CARP |
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| 22:59.01 | CoderWithMBA | hi |
| 22:59.33 | CoderWithMBA | What version of Debian is recommended as an enterprise software platform? |
| 22:59.40 | pipeline | CoderWithMBA: stable |
| 22:59.46 | CoderWithMBA | Okay |
| 23:00.18 | CoderWithMBA | How much older is the WordPress package for stable than the latest release from WordPress? |
| 23:00.43 | themill | ,versions wordpress --lenny-backports |
| 23:00.44 | epsilon | packages.debian.org |
| 23:00.45 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 23:00.48 | pipeline | CoderWithMBA: beats me. Check packages.debian.org. You will probably end up installing your own wordpress. |
| 23:00.50 | themill | ,versions wordpress --release lenny-backports |
| 23:00.52 | judd | Package wordpress on i386 -- lenny-backports: 3.0.1-2~bpo50+1 |
| 23:01.01 | themill | CoderWithMBA: ^^ I'll let you check the release dates. |
| 23:01.29 | CoderWithMBA | Okay going to a machine |
| 23:01.38 | babilen | istevenmon: No luck in #debian-kbsd? |
| 23:02.07 | epsilon | you can install the current WordPress directly on debian if you want, WP has built-in update functionality |
| 23:02.40 | istevenmon | babilen: the channel is kinda dead, no one has answered me, the only think i got was do you know how to start the installer |
| 23:02.42 | istevenmon | :S |
| 23:02.46 | CoderWithMBA | Anyone know of a good WP alternative that uses Postgres? |
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| 23:03.31 | metalfoo | CoderWithMBA: Serendipity |
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| 23:03.45 | babilen | istevenmon: You could also try the ML http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/ -- See http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD for more information |
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| 23:05.02 | istevenmon | babilen: if i want to compile a custom kernel, i should stick to the freebsd guide right? |
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| 23:06.07 | babilen | istevenmon: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ucarp â related? |
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| 23:07.37 | istevenmon | babilen: yes i know about ucarp but it runs in userland i want it on kernel, and better yet, with the OpenBSD features |
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| 23:10.01 | babilen | istevenmon: Yes, I just wanted to verify that we are speaking about the same thing. I know almost nothing about kfreebsd and would really try their mailing list. I still think that your chances are not bad that it might be supported. |
| 23:10.47 | istevenmon | i already installed it, so i think since it has freebsd kernel if it is not already in the kbsd maybe i could use the freebsd guide to port it right? |
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| 23:14.20 | babilen | istevenmon: sysctl -a|grep carp -- might give clues as well. Is it mentioned in the ifconfig manpage? |
| 23:15.04 | wrksx | can't wait for his package to compile. |
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| 23:17.02 | istevenmon | yea i already checked that and its not installed |
| 23:17.07 | babilen | istevenmon: All that being said -- I would still consider just using OpenBSD for that service -- But *please* write to the ML before making any decisions. (I don't know what you are trying to achieve, but if we are talking about an important production system you should use the *best* tool for the job) |
| 23:17.46 | factotum | h |
| 23:18.06 | istevenmon | babilen: thanks for the suggestion and all the help buddy. This is for nothing important just me trying to do some tests |
| 23:18.08 | istevenmon | :) |
| 23:18.20 | istevenmon | well i gotta go home now thanks for all your help and patience |
| 23:18.23 | istevenmon | bye guys |
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| 23:29.37 | maximi89 | hi guys, i was trying to run a livecd to get the last netinstall of debian, but i was difficult to get a livecd running, all give me problems, now i get it working with "all-generic-ide", the HDD after the change was set to IDE in the BIOS, now i change it to AHCI and i run the command, why happens this? there is a kernel number who fix this kind of errors? |
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| 23:33.01 | kefalo | can someone tell me how to install iconpackeger under squeeze? trying to install this icon set http://bit.ly/dof3ZA |
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| 23:41.14 | babilen | kefalo: It looks as if IconPackager is a Windows program. |
| 23:43.12 | kefalo | babilen, i am trying to install this theme for docky http://bit.ly/9gm0T6 |
| 23:43.31 | kefalo | i have searched for iconpackager and also found only windows version |
| 23:43.49 | kefalo | but it looks like there is one for linux too... but i cant find it ... |
| 23:44.12 | kefalo | maybe they are referring to some other packager... |
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| 23:44.42 | rww | what does iconpackager have to do with anything... |
| 23:44.43 | rww | "Unzip to ~/.local/share/docky/themes(create the 'themes' directory if it's not there). For all users /usr/share/docky/themes." |
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| 23:50.29 | kefalo | rww, thanks! that worked! i mixed something up... |
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| 23:51.13 | not_david | hello gang, i recently updated squeeze, and now at boot time hotplug (i think) complains with the following; " udev[236]: GOTO 'acl_end' has no matching label in: '/lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules' ". i checked the file in question and everything _looks_ fine (however i am no expert). |
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