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| 00:01.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any way to take a system that I have installed a bunch of packages just to test them all out, and run a command or some operation, besides a fresh install that will remove all packages and leave just the packages needed for a base install? The only current option I know of is it do a base install and run "dpkg --get-selections >BaseInstall.list" and save it somewhere so I can later run "dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --set-sele |
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| 00:01.23 | jordanm | thepro4ever: you don't need sed there, you can use paramater expansion, but like themill said, fundamentals will really help |
| 00:01.31 | Oleg_ | ok, since Debian doesn't have USE flags, apt-get install would just enable every feature available for a paticular application? |
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| 00:01.45 | HandyGandy | jordanm: Thanks. |
| 00:01.48 | jordanm | Oleg_: every feature the maintainer built it with |
| 00:02.16 | thepro4ever | i have a string that i'm stripping the extension off of, parameter expansion won't help |
| 00:02.21 | jordanm | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about uninstall everything |
| 00:02.37 | jordanm | thepro4ever: yes it will |
| 00:02.54 | jordanm | thepro4ever: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/073 |
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| 00:03.53 | crazy2k_ | Is there something like "linux exported symbols manpages"? |
| 00:04.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Thanks very much I will check the man page for aptitude so I can decipher what exactly that is telling debian to do. Im sure this is what I need. Thanks. |
| 00:04.42 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: the manpage is lacking on that area in particular. see the html documentation from aptitude-doc |
| 00:04.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.16 | kz6090 | Greetings. Can I overwrite a debian-created /home partition with my ubuntu-created /home? Or would there be incompatibilities, say with hidden directories, etc.? Thanks. |
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| 00:08.35 | jordanm | kz6090: different versions of some applications could cause issues, but generally safe |
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| 00:09.42 | kz6090 | jordanm: good. thanks. off i go! |
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| 00:13.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Do you happen to know which html page I need to look at there are a lot of them. |
| 00:13.32 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: the search term reference page. find it via the index page |
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| 00:14.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Ok Ill try that, |
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| 00:20.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: So basically I need to use aptitude to remove all package except for all that are standard, required, or important for a base system? |
| 00:20.14 | thepro4ever | OMG PARAMETER EXPANSION IS BEAUTIFUL |
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| 00:25.07 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: yes, you can even omit standard, but generally you want that |
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| 00:28.26 | grim | anyone have some pointers for making a package that's just conffiles? I've been googling for hours and can't seem to get it to work |
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| 00:28.49 | jordanm | grim: what is the use case? |
| 00:29.11 | jordanm | grim: and do you mean conffiles that otherwise belong to other packages? |
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| 00:29.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Would priority standard be the same set of packages that tasksel lists as standard system or whatever its called during the first install of the system? |
| 00:29.39 | jordanm | yes |
| 00:29.42 | jordanm | !standard task |
| 00:29.42 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 00:29.46 | grim | jordanm: i have some apt conf files that go into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that i want to package |
| 00:29.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Very cool. |
| 00:30.15 | jordanm | grim: ok, what is the problem? |
| 00:30.44 | grim | jordanm: well it's been years since i've done a debian package, and i'm trying to get debhelper to go, and i can't find an example for just this |
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| 00:31.52 | jordanm | grim: thats because no one else does it :). I wouldn't use debhelper, as your not actually building anything |
| 00:32.22 | grim | jordanm: ok, that's pretty much what i figured, but then i saw the 2 line control file and got excited ;) |
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| 00:32.54 | simonrvn | rules file maybe |
| 00:32.56 | jordanm | grim: you mean rules file |
| 00:33.05 | grim | jordanm: bah, yeah |
| 00:33.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Thanks so much for your help, your very knowledgeable! |
| 00:33.41 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: anytime :) |
| 00:33.44 | grim | jordanm: so what do you suggest instead of debhelper? |
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| 00:33.51 | jordanm | grim: "cp" |
| 00:34.36 | grim | jordanm: well yeah, but how do i create the package then? |
| 00:34.36 | jordanm | grim: hehe, guess I should have been more specific. not debhelper tiny |
| 00:34.37 | simonrvn | if yo want 'fancy', use install ;p |
| 00:34.42 | dondelelcaro | grim: so just install them into debian/packagename/etc/apt/conf.d/foo; and dh_installdeb will do it for you |
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| 00:35.12 | simonrvn | yeh, i like that better, cleaner |
| 00:35.30 | grim | alright, that works ;) |
| 00:35.31 | helo_ | what is the name of that utility that can recover jpeg files from a hard disk? |
| 00:35.36 | dondelelcaro | you can use the dh7 rules file stile if you want |
| 00:35.53 | grim | the dh_installdeb was my question, essentially, wasn't sure i was making the question obvious enough :-/ |
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| 00:37.48 | grim | ok, i ran dh_installdeb, it exited successfully, but no deb |
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| 00:39.08 | dondelelcaro | grim: dh_installdeb is a command that you call as part of your rules file; you don't call it randomly |
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| 00:39.20 | helo_ | S4555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 |
| 00:39.58 | simonrvn | helo_: good way to get /ignored |
| 00:40.07 | helo_ | tell that to my 19 month old... |
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| 00:41.31 | simonrvn | oh, haha |
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| 00:43.08 | simonrvn | that explains a lot |
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| 00:44.58 | k-dingo | helo_: Well, I'll also tell him/her that the nipple is the only intuitive interface. |
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| 01:18.29 | un214 | anybody got a clue when next debian stable is released? |
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| 01:20.29 | stew | un214: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 01:30.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is dephelper a bot that I can ask about "remove everything"? I need to see the command line again I forgot to write it down. |
| 01:31.49 | sweetpi | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about uninstall everything |
| 01:32.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | sweetpi: thank you |
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| 01:34.13 | epsilon | I'm looking for a rescue linux system in size of floppy disc size... It must be able to provide mdadmin, lvm, and basic stuff to debug errors, any recommendation? The host will run lenny |
| 01:34.19 | un214 | !uninstall everything |
| 01:34.20 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 01:34.45 | un214 | epsilon: won't fit |
| 01:35.35 | un214 | epsilon: not unless you compile a strip-down kernel and recompile the core tools with uclibc |
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| 01:36.15 | epsilon | hm |
| 01:36.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | In the line "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+" is this ~i mean different from the regular -i? Is the ~ used to install packages in a search term list? That correct? |
| 01:36.33 | jordanm | epsilon: lvm2 tool alone will barely fit on a floppy |
| 01:36.34 | un214 | any particular reason you can't use tar+bzip to read 3 floppies into ram? |
| 01:37.11 | un214 | that's what I did last time I needed a strip-down debugging system where I couldn't use a cdrom |
| 01:37.12 | epsilon | it's for a Dell server, the remote management tool supports alternative booting via (floppy) disc image |
| 01:37.23 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: ~i is packages that are already installed, see the search term reference page |
| 01:37.26 | un214 | ah that makes it easy |
| 01:37.30 | un214 | floopy using nfsroot |
| 01:37.39 | epsilon | but it doesn't say the allowed size of such image |
| 01:37.51 | un214 | allowed size will be 1440k |
| 01:38.13 | epsilon | but I have no other server in the same network |
| 01:38.18 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: providing spaces between each search term indicates "or". putting them together '~i~pstandard' would mean installed AND priority standard |
| 01:38.26 | un214 | you know you can nfsroot across the internet right? |
| 01:38.52 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: the "~" is the special search term identifier for aptitude |
| 01:39.04 | un214 | or wget a large .tbz file and unpack to ramfs |
| 01:39.21 | epsilon | nfs via internet? is it good idea? mean... bad authetication, no crypt... |
| 01:39.41 | un214 | ok go the wget of .tbz with known sha1sum |
| 01:39.50 | jordanm | iirc only NFSv4 can be used of the internet |
| 01:39.55 | jordanm | !usb install |
| 01:39.55 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 01:40.07 | jordanm | epsilon: you can use plop to boot a usb stick |
| 01:40.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Ok I see now. Off to try it again. |
| 01:40.33 | un214 | uhh no physical usb slot with a stick in it |
| 01:40.51 | epsilon | hm, usb stick is an option... |
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| 01:43.55 | xorwhy | Does disabling ACPI in grub reduce system performance? |
| 01:44.48 | un214 | you see, I really want rid of ubuntu |
| 01:45.04 | digitalirony | anyone wanna help me to troubleshoot something....I have done most of what I can think of, but I think SElinux or something higher up than what I am working on is denying permission |
| 01:45.08 | un214 | I'm currently running a known-good kerenl from debian unstable |
| 01:45.46 | jordanm | !tell digitalirony about ask |
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| 01:46.08 | jordanm | un214: did you have a question or a problem with something? |
| 01:47.35 | un214 | just a little annoyed with no better than when it's ready while squeeze is in deep freeze |
| 01:47.38 | Moult | i've hit this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519005 - and i've done the "fix" (ie upgraded and checked that the configs were updated too), but i'm still experiencing the problem, what's the best course of action now? |
| 01:47.44 | digitalirony | basically, I am trying to get postfix to pipe an e-mail into a script using /etc/alias. I am seeing execvp: /path/to/rt-mailgate: Permission Denied in mail.err. I tested by giving 777 to the script, but nothing. I tried piping a string into the script using sudo -u postfix and this worked. |
| 01:48.20 | jordanm | un214: you mean you find the debian development process inconvenient to your desire to stay bleeding-edge? |
| 01:48.29 | digitalirony | I am not sure what else to check |
| 01:48.48 | un214 | no I think more likely I got squeeze and sid mixed up |
| 01:48.59 | digitalirony | It does seem we are running SELinux, but I am not very familiar with it. |
| 01:49.25 | un214 | let's just say I would have expected a reasonable release date prediction from about the time deep freeze was entered |
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| 01:49.54 | Dewi | Has anyone seen an issue where qt apps render almost completely black? |
| 01:50.05 | un214 | yeah, I've seen it |
| 01:50.13 | un214 | resetting the GUI session cleared it |
| 01:50.20 | jordanm | un214: they are still on schedule for my prediction |
| 01:50.24 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 01:50.24 | dpkg | ! <macrobat>=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 01:50.40 | un214 | lol |
| 01:50.48 | Dewi | un214: hrm. They're working okay for me on Xming for windows, but not Xorg/VNC |
| 01:51.01 | macrobat | i'm sure i'll win |
| 01:51.06 | Dewi | un214: I might try running outside gnome |
| 01:51.13 | un214 | Dewi: ah that case |
| 01:51.13 | jordanm | digitalirony: I don't exactly understand what it is your trying to do |
| 01:51.22 | un214 | try with xorgvesa and no gx loaded |
| 01:51.31 | Dewi | un214: gx? |
| 01:51.39 | un214 | graphics acceleration |
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| 01:51.53 | un214 | load the failsafe Xorg on :1 to test |
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| 01:52.00 | digitalirony | jordanm: /etc/alias: support: "|/usr/share/rt3/bin/rt-mailgate --some options" |
| 01:52.02 | jordanm | digitalirony: when sending mail, you should not care about the underlying smtp server, or "use" the alias file. echo foo | mail -s foo foo@foobar.com |
| 01:52.20 | jordanm | oh, I see, like vacation |
| 01:52.37 | Dewi | un214: hrm, okay. thanks. (I'll have to try it later, I'll need to hook up a monitor and stuff) |
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| 01:52.46 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.48 | digitalirony | mail.err /var/log/mail.rr: date: time: user stuffs: execvp: /usr/share/rt3/bin/rt-mailgate: Permission denied |
| 01:52.55 | un214 | yeah that is odd |
| 01:53.01 | un214 | is it a vm binary? |
| 01:53.08 | digitalirony | its not a binary |
| 01:53.11 | digitalirony | its a perl script |
| 01:53.20 | jordanm | digitalirony: s/binary/executable/ |
| 01:53.21 | digitalirony | #!/usr/bin/perl -w |
| 01:53.30 | digitalirony | its part of a whole system |
| 01:53.35 | digitalirony | for support tickets |
| 01:53.38 | un214 | /usr/share is a perfectly fine place for a script |
| 01:53.38 | jordanm | digitalirony: usually, you not put anything locally installed /usr/share |
| 01:53.47 | digitalirony | I understand |
| 01:53.53 | digitalirony | I also tried in /bin and /usr/bin |
| 01:54.00 | jordanm | digitalirony: anyways, what do the selinux logs look like? |
| 01:54.05 | un214 | normally it goes in /usr/local/bin |
| 01:54.07 | jordanm | digitalirony: the proper place is /usr/local |
| 01:54.18 | un214 | oh permission denied might be on /usr/bin/perl |
| 01:54.23 | digitalirony | nope |
| 01:54.24 | un214 | or maybe filesystem is nx |
| 01:54.31 | digitalirony | un214: I added to perl group |
| 01:54.38 | digitalirony | we have A LOT OF users |
| 01:54.48 | digitalirony | so we kinda have stuff setup slightly off default |
| 01:55.01 | un214 | my normal advice would be to torch selinux |
| 01:55.10 | digitalirony | not my choice |
| 01:55.16 | digitalirony | I am but a lowely admin |
| 01:55.21 | jordanm | digitalirony: I assume this is a hosting company. things at semi-large hosting companies typically do have fairly specialized environments. what version linux is this? |
| 01:55.32 | jordanm | err debian I mean |
| 01:55.35 | digitalirony | nope we are a free shell provider |
| 01:56.01 | digitalirony | lenny |
| 01:56.12 | jordanm | again, what do the selinux logs look like? |
| 01:56.22 | digitalirony | where are those :X |
| 01:56.41 | digitalirony | we don't have anything that looks like it in /var/log |
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| 01:56.50 | digitalirony | I don't like selinux |
| 01:56.53 | digitalirony | either |
| 01:56.54 | un214 | understand that I recommend torching selinux as I believe that it doesn't add enough real protection to justify the complexity |
| 01:57.00 | jordanm | digitalirony: /var/log/audit.log |
| 01:57.05 | digitalirony | k |
| 01:57.06 | digitalirony | sec |
| 01:57.10 | qwd | I just installed tracker-gui but it doesn't find any files when searching. How can I start indexing without logging out and then in again? |
| 01:57.16 | jordanm | I disaggree with un214 |
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| 01:57.29 | jordanm | especially when you have a lot of shell users |
| 01:57.32 | digitalirony | we don't have an audit log |
| 01:57.38 | digitalirony | jordanm: grsec is better |
| 01:57.41 | jordanm | digitalirony: then check /var/log/messages |
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| 01:58.07 | jordanm | digitalirony: better is subjective |
| 01:58.53 | un214 | the correct security approach is to minimize the number of setuid programs |
| 01:59.23 | un214 | it turns out that selinux has negative security weight against kernel vulnerabilities |
| 01:59.59 | digitalirony | it doesn't say anthing relative in messages |
| 02:00.11 | qwd | Solved it, "tracker-control -s", seems like "trackerd" isn't used anymore. |
| 02:00.42 | digitalirony | and there is nothing with any where near matching time stamps |
| 02:00.50 | un214 | ok here's a reasonable question. |
| 02:00.59 | digitalirony | :P |
| 02:01.02 | jordanm | digitalirony: erm, ok. what is the security context of the postfix binary? what about your perl script? |
| 02:01.31 | un214 | what is the probability of squeeze containing a fatal bug in core components used by a simple system |
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| 02:01.52 | un214 | (I already know I have to not install the driver for my video card -- bad hardware) |
| 02:02.08 | sweetpi | 3 |
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| 02:02.19 | digitalirony | jordanm: postfix is owned and grouped by root 755 |
| 02:02.20 | jordanm | un214: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 02:02.27 | digitalirony | perl script is the same |
| 02:02.35 | jordanm | digitalirony: thats not the security context. ls -Z |
| 02:02.55 | digitalirony | says ? |
| 02:03.01 | digitalirony | so maybe SElinux is disabled |
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| 02:03.09 | digitalirony | perhaps something else is in the way then |
| 02:03.14 | jordanm | sigh |
| 02:03.43 | digitalirony | the SElinux thing was just a guess in the first place |
| 02:04.19 | jordanm | so you really don't know much about this system you admin.. |
| 02:04.29 | digitalirony | just some parts of it |
| 02:05.07 | jordanm | digitalirony: I would say this is going to be something that only you will be able to figure out |
| 02:05.12 | jordanm | just my guess however |
| 02:08.32 | un214 | if it were sh instead of perl I'd recommend strace |
| 02:08.43 | un214 | hmmm maybe a filtered strace is a good idea |
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| 02:10.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Which package contains the Debian Docs in http://www.debian.org/doc/ for offline reading in html / pdf format? |
| 02:10.14 | srmaddox | Is it feasible to use IPVS as a load-balancing scheme for webservers? |
| 02:11.40 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: probably multiple .. the debian-reference package is probably a good start though |
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| 02:12.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman : thanks.. greetings after a long time |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | hiya |
| 02:12.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
| 02:13.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Any ideas when squeeze is coming out? It didnt enter hard freeze yet |
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| 02:15.07 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 02:15.07 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>, <guess the release date>. |
| 02:15.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 02:27.13 | epsilon | !guess the release date |
| 02:27.13 | dpkg | guess the release date is, like, a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 02:38.35 | Warlord | Hi, I'm using freenx from nomachine offical website and for some reason when I connect I get this: |
| 02:38.48 | Warlord | Loop: PANIC! The remote NX proxy closed the connection. |
| 02:38.48 | Warlord | Loop: PANIC! Failure negotiating the session in stage '7'. |
| 02:38.54 | Warlord | Any idea what it could be? |
| 02:38.59 | Warlord | I'm not using any proxy to connect to it.. |
| 02:39.15 | jordanm | Warlord: not debian software. seek support upstream |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | and sounds like a firewall issue anyway |
| 02:40.05 | Warlord | there is no firewall on it. |
| 02:40.23 | Warlord | jordanm: and their offical chan is dead so I think out of 848 users here one could help |
| 02:40.49 | Warlord | don't wanna help don't have to reply.. |
| 02:41.29 | jordanm | !they don't know |
| 02:41.29 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:41.47 | Warlord | I googled |
| 02:42.04 | jordanm | then move on to their mailing list |
| 02:42.05 | Warlord | Wasn't one thing there that helped. |
| 02:42.39 | hatter_ | i have noticed a few times when i have a full file system and then delete some files to free up space, 'df' doesnt report the space free'd up until reboot, is there a way to force 'df' to see the correct amount ? |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | 'sync' perhaps .. depends on the file in question |
| 02:43.52 | hatter_ | ext3, nothing special, appears to happen when |
| 02:44.05 | hatter_ | df reports no space available, |
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| 02:47.17 | Warlord | I find it funny how people always try to convert users to a os and when you have one little problem they bitch about saying go to their project while it's dead. heh |
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| 02:48.57 | nevyn | hatter_: check nothing has the files open... |
| 02:50.24 | dondelelcaro | Warlord: we're not here to convert people, but to support Debian users... if your OS is dead, there's not much we can do to help you. |
| 02:52.01 | Warlord | It's actually debian the latest version |
| 02:52.02 | hatter_ | nevyn, hmmm, /var is what i am referring to, so stuff is being written there often, but i dont think any files are open constantly in /var/log are they ? |
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| 02:55.51 | Warlord | well no support here no need to idle |
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| 02:58.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have an offline machine with about 10 repository DVDs. I use /etc/rc.local to mount them to folders using loop devices. However I cant mount the last two because it says there are no free loop devices. Is it hard to change the number of them? |
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| 02:59.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Mount the ISOs I mean. |
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| 03:01.13 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: did you try googling the exact error message? |
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| 03:04.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | jordanm: Hmm yeah just did. Says I have to either edit /etc/modules or the grub kernel entry to increase the number of loop devices. Ill never remember the command though. |
| 03:05.01 | jordanm | why do you need to remember it? add it in and forget about it |
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| 03:06.58 | nevyn | hatter_: yeah they are. |
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| 03:07.41 | hatter_ | hmmm, however when deleting files before the filesystem is full it reports the lesser amount immediately |
| 03:10.58 | tuv | how do i get the 'This Week in Debian' podcast into an iphone/itunes? |
| 03:11.13 | tuv | http://wiki.debian.org/ThisWeekInDebian |
| 03:12.19 | jordanm | tuv: I would ask an iphone channel |
| 03:14.06 | tuv | jordanm: i expected the combo of debian+i{pod,phone}+TWiD to be slightly more common |
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| 03:14.51 | NginUS | jordanm : http://lifehacker.com/329507/the-20-best-ipod-utilities |
| 03:15.20 | jordanm | tuv: I wouldn't |
| 03:16.11 | jordanm | tuv: not when there are other phones that run debian-based OS's, or much more open-source friendly OS's |
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| 03:17.41 | tuv | jordanm: i didn't expect it to be the most common, just slightly more common than 'none'. 1 user would've satisfied my expectations |
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| 03:18.51 | jordanm | tuv: I am sure there is one. but you are looking for one that also listens to that podcast, or one in the same format, making it quite a bit more rare |
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| 03:21.07 | tuv | jordanm: nm. i figured it out |
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| 03:35.09 | srmaddox | So i was looking up the RR dns configuration, and found an article suggesting hosting DNS on the machine serving the content; that is, server1.mydomain.com also hosts names1.mydomain.com, and its dns record for mydomain.com points to itself; and then setting the domain DNS servers as each of these DNS/COntent servers; |
| 03:35.39 | srmaddox | Meaning that should a server go down, its DNS will fail as well, falling back on to another DNS server (your other DNS server(s)) |
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| 03:43.16 | saac | LinuxGuy2009: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-modules.html |
| 03:43.26 | saac | modinfo 'module' |
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| 03:48.04 | NOMADICUS | I am currently attempting to setup multiseat on a debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 03:48.25 | NOMADICUS | Do you have any experience with anything like this. |
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| 04:06.47 | k-dingo | New Squeeze install, Lenove T410s. Audio doesn't work. alsa-base and alsa-utils installed, alsamixer reports 'cannot open mixer: No such file or director' |
| 04:07.04 | k-dingo | In /dev/snd I/ve got seq and timer. |
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| 04:12.09 | jordanm | !tell k-dingo about alsa checklist |
| 04:12.22 | k-dingo | jordanm: I've been through that as well |
| 04:12.34 | k-dingo | Hrm... |
| 04:12.54 | jordanm | k-dingo: is snd-hda-intel loaded? |
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| 04:13.58 | jordanm | k-dingo: modprobe -l | grep intel |
| 04:14.16 | k-dingo | jordanm: It wasn't, just loaded it. |
| 04:15.12 | k-dingo | How do you (re)start arts/esound (and/or determine which you want to be running)? |
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| 04:15.45 | jordanm | k-dingo: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart maybe |
| 04:16.09 | k-dingo | Shutting down ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1504: No soundcards found...'...failed. |
| 04:16.25 | k-dingo | I also noticed I've got both an intel and nvidia audio device through lspci. |
| 04:16.46 | k-dingo | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller [10de:0be3] (rev a1) | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3b57] (rev 06) |
| 04:16.52 | jordanm | they would both probably use hda intel anyways |
| 04:16.57 | k-dingo | OK. |
| 04:17.01 | jordanm | ,pciid 10de:0be3 |
| 04:17.02 | judd | [10de:0be3] is 'High Definition Audio Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0be3 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
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| 04:17.08 | k-dingo | Nvidea weirds me out. |
| 04:17.19 | jordanm | k-dingo: I am betting that is for hdmi |
| 04:17.24 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:3b57 |
| 04:17.25 | judd | [8086:3b57] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b57 |
| 04:17.48 | jordanm | k-dingo: if it does work when manually loading snd-hda-intel, file a bug |
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| 04:18.32 | k-dingo | Still not working. |
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| 04:20.58 | k-dingo | http://nomo17k.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/installing-debian-squeeze-amd64-on-lenovo-t410s/ suggests I need to upgrade to 2.26.34. Currently 2.6.32 |
| 04:21.55 | k-dingo | Hrm... where do I find .34? Squeeze only shows .32 |
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| 04:22.11 | simplechat | d1b, really? |
| 04:22.12 | d1b | simplechat: now your in it |
| 04:22.14 | d1b | really |
| 04:22.17 | simplechat | kk |
| 04:22.22 | simplechat | thought this was on my autoj list |
| 04:22.23 | simplechat | apparently not |
| 04:22.33 | d1b | yeah |
| 04:22.54 | d1b | k-dingo: compile it your self? |
| 04:23.22 | k-dingo | d1b: There's that.... |
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| 04:23.44 | d1b | sid or experimental should have something newer :/ |
| 04:23.47 | d1b | ;0 |
| 04:25.37 | k-dingo | !kernel |
| 04:25.39 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20101015, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.36-rc8-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.36-rc8, stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.7 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.24 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.54 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.10 |
| 04:27.35 | d1b | if you really want i can send you one :) |
| 04:27.39 | d1b | but you may not trust me :) |
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| 04:31.50 | k-dingo | d1b: :) |
| 04:32.11 | k-dingo | d1b: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage reading ... |
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| 04:34.18 | d1b | k-dingo: yeah that |
| 04:35.37 | k-dingo | BTW: using vimperator Iceweasel plugin. Interesting. |
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| 04:36.53 | d1b | ... |
| 04:36.57 | d1b | sorry i use firefox |
| 04:38.25 | k-dingo | d1b: Same thing |
| 04:38.36 | d1b | not exactly :) |
| 04:38.49 | k-dingo | Well ... same thing, but different. |
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| 04:39.45 | d1b | custom compiled firefox from hg :) |
| 04:39.59 | yo__landi | custom compiled firefox from hg :) |
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| 04:46.08 | djhitek | ctcp startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 04:46.37 | djhitek | dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 04:46.51 | KB1JWQ | djhitek: Don't do that again. |
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| 04:47.28 | d1b | KB1JWQ: it is nice to see that no one quit because of it :) |
| 04:47.34 | KB1JWQ | d1b: Very much so. |
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| 04:53.39 | ex-parrot | anyone know why ifdown --allow foo -a works but ifup doesn't in the same context? |
| 04:53.44 | KB1JWQ | d1b: Although in fairness I THINK he messed up the exploit. |
| 04:54.03 | KB1JWQ | ex-parrot: Not sure offhand, but aren't ifdown and ifup scripts? Might see how they parse arguments. |
| 04:54.24 | ex-parrot | ifup is an ELF executable here |
| 04:54.29 | ex-parrot | I haven't looked at its source yet |
| 04:54.44 | d1b | KB1JWQ: i think so |
| 04:54.50 | d1b | lets not talk too much about it |
| 04:54.56 | ex-parrot | infact ifup and ifdown are the same thing. |
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| 04:56.02 | KB1JWQ | ex-parrot: Do the man pages imply they should both take that argument>> |
| 04:56.34 | ex-parrot | KB1JWQ: ifup and ifdown share a man page.... there's no mention of one taking it and not the other |
| 04:56.43 | ex-parrot | oh durr, it says only ifup can take -a |
| 04:56.48 | ex-parrot | my mistake :) |
| 04:57.25 | ex-parrot | ifup takes -a to mean "all interfaces marked auto" and ifdown takes it to mean "all interfaces" |
| 04:58.00 | KB1JWQ | I didn't know that. :-) Glad we got it sorted out. |
| 04:58.38 | ex-parrot | bit of a pain, means there's no easy way to "group" interfaces for both ifdown and ifup actions |
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| 05:02.24 | KB1JWQ | ex-parrot: Take a step back for a second, what's your real-world problem? |
| 05:03.20 | ex-parrot | KB1JWQ: I have a set of VLAN subinterfaces that I want heartbeat to start / stop |
| 05:03.54 | ex-parrot | including bringing the ethx.y interface down so that quagga notices |
| 05:05.53 | KB1JWQ | You passing a VIP around? |
| 05:06.08 | ex-parrot | about 10 of them |
| 05:06.10 | ex-parrot | on different VLANs |
| 05:06.21 | d1b | ex-parrot: can you do this on the switch |
| 05:06.27 | d1b | id do it on the switch if i could |
| 05:06.35 | ex-parrot | d1b: how? the switch isn't layer 3.... |
| 05:06.51 | ex-parrot | I'm trying to build a pair of redundant firewalls with quagga's OSPF and iptables |
| 05:06.57 | ex-parrot | to replace an OpenBSD pf / carp box |
| 05:07.01 | ex-parrot | s/box/boxes/ |
| 05:07.20 | d1b | hehehe pf is nice |
| 05:07.24 | d1b | why are you replacing it ? |
| 05:07.46 | ex-parrot | it is, but the guy who maintained it quit and I need a replacement quickly while I work on getting some real Juniper gear in to replace it :/ |
| 05:08.05 | d1b | yum juniper |
| 05:08.14 | ex-parrot | agreed. I thought this would be easy but it's not turning out to be so, really |
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| 05:09.18 | ex-parrot | ifdown/ifup can take a -i argument to specify a file other than /etc/network/interfaces, so I can just group the interfaces in to a separate file |
| 05:09.20 | ex-parrot | not too bad. |
| 05:10.10 | Moult | any ideas where i can have a chat with the maintainer for a package? (namely libapache2-mod-suphp) |
| 05:10.48 | ex-parrot | Moult: tried the maintainer e-mail address listed here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 05:11.08 | Moult | they don't hang around on irc? |
| 05:11.25 | ex-parrot | no idea, sorry. |
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| 05:14.56 | sparrW | how do I flush my dns cache? |
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| 05:22.24 | chelz | is there some page somewhere that says exactly and specifically what the difference is between a normal and expert install? |
| 05:25.08 | mordocai | Hello, sometime in the last couple weeks-months (i haven't used my computer much recently) my window selection setting to select windows when my mouse moves over them has stopped working. I am using debian testing (with nvidia drivers from unstable) and the GNOME desktop, all latest updates. The setting is still chosen in System -> Preferences -> Windows. Any advice on how to tackle this issue? |
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| 05:26.27 | mordocai | Forgot to mention, i'm also using compiz. So the problem might possibly be there as well. |
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| 05:28.13 | nope | have you tried turning desktop effects off? |
| 05:29.19 | mordocai | nope: Well, i'm using compiz-config manager, not the desktop effects dialog. How could i get compiz to turn off? |
| 05:30.57 | Gm4n | is there an easy way to tell aptitude to install everything but the kernel update (squeeze system)? I can't afford to reboot right now. |
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| 05:31.15 | mordocai | Gm4n: Well, it doesn't force you to reboot like windows does. |
| 05:31.27 | Gm4n | I'm aware, but I'm obviously still running the old kernel |
| 05:31.48 | Gm4n | isn't it bad to have the new kernel installed but still have the old one in memory? |
| 05:32.26 | mordocai | Gm4n: Umm... I haven't heard that before, but i suppose it is possible. |
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| 05:33.51 | Gm4n | I don't know debian package conventions, but I could imagine packages going by what's listed as installed by dpkg rather than what's in memory |
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| 05:34.35 | mordocai | Gm4n: But yeah, use dpkg's hold feature explained quickly here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=240. And yes, it should install packages based on the kernel version installed, not running, though i've never run into a problem because of this. |
| 05:35.00 | q_a_z_steve | So, who's interested in stripping a distro of RHEL and CentOS backbone, and replacing with Debian? |
| 05:35.26 | Gm4n | you're doing this in-place? |
| 05:35.39 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: was that to me? |
| 05:35.42 | Gm4n | yes |
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| 05:36.28 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: no, taking a netinst and downloading most, but probably not all the same packages used in current distro |
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| 05:36.44 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: so actually mostly from scratch |
| 05:36.44 | Gm4n | aha, I was about to tell you to debootstrap it |
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| 05:37.24 | ddalton | hey guys my school network uses certificate athentication |
| 05:37.30 | ddalton | authentications* |
| 05:37.32 | Gm4n | that shouldn't be overly complicated, though (although I agree, package names are NOT gonna line up from rhel to debian) |
| 05:38.15 | ddalton | wpasupplicant is giving me ap denied association errors when i attempt to connect, though I do have the right information. on ubuntu it works fine. is it a wise decision to update to the latest version of wpasuppliant? |
| 05:38.30 | ddalton | wpasupplicant? if so where should i obtain this from (build from source?) im on squeeze atm |
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| 05:38.48 | mordocai | ddalton: Hmm... WPA on my network works fine on the latest squeeze... |
| 05:38.52 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: well and then there's the fact that I want to end up with possibly a few differences, just for preference. This distro doesn't have anything but a webmin for a GUI, and I don't like the packages it uses, so I think I'll eventually get to the point of using ISPconfig and that. |
| 05:39.04 | mordocai | ddalton: Are you trying to do this from command line or the GUI? |
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| 05:39.28 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: what functionality does the rhel box have? anything custom/complicated? |
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| 05:40.22 | ddalton | mordocai: yep it works fine on my home net to, but certificates and stuff seem to cause problems. |
| 05:40.28 | ddalton | yes I'm blind so im using command line |
| 05:41.09 | ddalton | the tech at school said he got his ubuntu netbook working fine on the network and suggested i update relevant packages |
| 05:42.13 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: it's a custom gateway and stuff |
| 05:42.22 | mordocai | ddalton: Ah, okay. WPA on command line can get a bit hairy... hmmm. You could try pulling wpasupplicant from unstable, but it might be better to just grab the source. Was the tech using ubuntu using the GUI? I wouldn't be suprised if NetworkManager does something different than wpasupplicant. |
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| 05:42.52 | q_a_z_steve | mordocai: can't you use networkmanager from CLI? |
| 05:42.55 | ddalton | Im hoping he was using a command line set up as i was |
| 05:43.08 | mordocai | q_a_z_steve: I never have, perhaps you can. |
| 05:43.23 | mordocai | ddalton: Most wouldn't be... but possibly |
| 05:43.27 | ddalton | mordocai: unstable and squeeze seemed to have the same version last i checked... |
| 05:44.01 | ddalton | so i attempted to build from source this morning, but failed with a crap load of errors |
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| 05:44.21 | q_a_z_steve | ddalton: try to install a package something along the lines of "networkmanager" and see if that requires packages which seem like they would install GUI, like X11 stuff... |
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| 05:45.13 | ddalton | q_a_z_steve: I have a gui installed already but I don't need to used a gui |
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| 05:46.15 | q_a_z_steve | ddalton: hmm, well that wouldn't be too indicative of whether you could issue commands from CLI then, probably a quick google search could put that part to bed, just a suggestion |
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| 05:46.48 | Dewi | famd just filled my disk with logs anyone know why? |
| 05:46.54 | q_a_z_steve | ddalton: out of curiosity, which Web browser do you use? |
| 05:47.21 | Dewi | the log is "fd 4 message length nnn bytes exceeds max of 4136", over and over |
| 05:47.29 | ddalton | q_a_z_steve: lynx, and firefox for nasty javascripted pages |
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| 05:49.19 | mordocai | ddalton: What do you mean by certificate authentication? I don't think i've encountered that before. |
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| 05:51.10 | ddalton | using certs to verify you are allowed access opposed to a psk |
| 05:51.27 | Dewi | how do I get a list of non-automatic packages depending on package P ? |
| 05:51.29 | ddalton | tls i believe is the mecanism used |
| 05:51.57 | deStonnne | find . | sed 's/x.x.x.84,x.x.x.85/' <-- would this search through a directory (and all subdirectories) and replace the ip x.x.x.84 with the ip address x.x.x.85 in all occurances in all files? |
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| 05:52.38 | Gm4n | ddalton: is this 802.1X authentication? |
| 05:53.12 | mjmt | deStonnne: No, only in the displayed output. |
| 05:53.21 | converge | i install debian but there is no xorg.config, with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command nothing happens, some idea what can i do? |
| 05:54.30 | deStonnne | oh, i c.... |
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| 05:54.53 | mjmt | deStonnne: You need something like: find . -exec sed '...' -i~ {} \; |
| 05:55.19 | deStonnne | mjmt - k, sorry i'm a newb |
| 05:56.30 | mordocai | ddalton: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-297347.html might help, i'm afraid i don't use the CLI for wireless connections, so i don't know how to help really |
| 05:58.04 | mjmt | deStonnne: S'ok. find replaces {} with each file name. -i~ makes sed modify each file in-place, after backing up e.g. foo as foo~ |
| 05:58.08 | somiaj | ddalton: yes they are, man interfaces |
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| 05:58.56 | sweetpi | ddalton: check in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ |
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| 05:59.27 | somiaj | ddalton: that is what you will need to configure to bring interfaces up and down -- you'll have to look up the wap options they aren't int hat man file. |
| 05:59.29 | ddalton | ive got the config done |
| 05:59.41 | ddalton | im suspecting there is bugs in wpasupplicant cos the same config works on ubuntu |
| 06:00.28 | sweetpi | missed that part.. reads up |
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| 06:01.45 | sweetpi | ddalton: what errors are you getting from wpasupplicant? |
| 06:02.39 | somiaj | ddalton: well what is your config? did you post it? are you getting any errors? |
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| 06:03.31 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: okay, so obviously I'm going to first be messing with this crap in VM's, so let me say this: My host system has 2GHz Centrino, and 1GB ram, what would you recommend as far as VM RAM? |
| 06:04.07 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: you mean that your vm host has 1gb of ram? |
| 06:04.24 | Gm4n | I'm assuming you're installing the system headless (no gui)? |
| 06:05.29 | converge | there is some utility to configure xorg.conf in debian? |
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| 06:05.38 | saac | My system is so full of bugs, it's Lenny, sound does not work as regular user, adduser was creating users with root:root ownership, compiz --replace does not replace, the keyboard layout does not fixate for every new session, more... new windows adjust to a small invisible square on the Desktop... Should I care to fix all this or install a new system? |
| 06:05.43 | homecable | what kernel does 5.0.6 use ? |
| 06:06.17 | saac | I think I got cracked. |
| 06:06.35 | Gm4n | saac: that sounds like a rootkit, yeah... have you tried chkrootkit to see what turns up? |
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| 06:06.49 | saac | I'll try and rkhunter. |
| 06:06.57 | somiaj | homecable: packages.debian.org/linux-image |
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| 06:07.36 | mordocai | converge: What version of debian are you using? |
| 06:07.48 | converge | mordocai, squeez |
| 06:08.30 | mordocai | converge: Do you have a /etc/X11/XF86Config? |
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| 06:09.30 | somiaj | wow, that is fairly outdated -- even xorg.conf isn't needed for basic setups |
| 06:09.41 | converge | mordocai, no.. |
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| 06:10.36 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: yes, to both of those. |
| 06:10.39 | mordocai | somiaj: converge: Yeah, what somia said. Modern setups don't use xorg.conf. I have XF86Config because i use nvidia drivers. It annoys the hell out of me that they don't have a xorg.conf... but fedora/ubuntu/debian all don't have them anymore. |
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| 06:11.12 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: the xen default of 256mb is probably just fine, then, especially if you debootstrap the system together (starts with the bare essentials) |
| 06:11.23 | somiaj | mordocai: I use /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- works fine with the nvidia drivers, same file different name but not the depericated one |
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| 06:12.03 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, that's just what nvidia-settings made. I didn't really see a need to change it. |
| 06:12.06 | sweetpi | converge: as root: Xorg -configure |
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| 06:12.54 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: what if I told you I've never done xen, and I'm not really interested in going to vbox either... Also, I thought I didn't need to worry about debbootstrap, since I am starting from basically scratch??? |
| 06:12.55 | converge | mm things changed, i was trying to use xserver-xorg-nv but now we need use xserver-xorg-neuoveau |
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| 06:13.36 | saac | Gm4n: nothing... |
| 06:13.40 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: then ignore my comments. 256mb will do it, assuming you aren't doing anything too crazy with your setup. And since this is a test, the worst-case behavior isn't awful either |
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| 06:14.05 | mordocai | converge: Well, the new one is a completely open source driver. Nv is the proprietary. So, if you install the proprietary drivers you could use nv i think. I'd reccommend nouveau though, unless you need heavy 3d. I don't think it is very good for 3d yet (though I may be wrong). |
| 06:14.18 | Gm4n | saac: well, I'm still super skeptical. Anything weird going on with lastlog? |
| 06:14.19 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: I chose 384 I think, at easyvmx.com but obviously I can change :> |
| 06:14.29 | somiaj | mordocai: really I thought 'nv' was the opensource alternative to 'nvidia' |
| 06:15.04 | saac | lastlog is okay. |
| 06:15.08 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: 384 is also fine. that won't overload your host, and should be enough for the vm. Again, since this is a test the worst-case scenario is a little thrashing, which isn't that bad. |
| 06:15.12 | somiaj | converge: also do you mean xserver-xorg-video-nv? |
| 06:15.15 | saac | I suspect of a VNC. |
| 06:15.25 | mordocai | somiaj: I don't think so. I could be wrong, of course. I know nouveau is the new opensource driver for sure though. |
| 06:15.27 | converge | mordocai, cool, its much better than do those ugle things with the nvidia official driver |
| 06:15.33 | converge | somiaj, exacly |
| 06:15.33 | Gm4n | saac: try portscanning yourself? |
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| 06:16.40 | somiaj | mordocai: hmm, well didn't know that the nv driver had any non-free stuff in it -- It just seems they are rebuilding it from the ground up. |
| 06:17.53 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: yeah, all except for my last built vmserver windows on windows set NEVER gets anywhere, not enough juice to consistently even start the SERVER UI ! :@ |
| 06:17.59 | saac | Gm4n: smtp, rpcbind, ipp, lisa, polipo tor-socks and rpc.statd |
| 06:18.07 | Dewi | Can anyone help me remove automatic packages I don't need? |
| 06:18.18 | Dewi | I think they must have come via some 'recommend' dependancy |
| 06:18.18 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, it looks like you are right. I was just remembering wrong. nv is under the MIT license, per http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv |
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| 06:19.52 | converge | debian is so much better than ubuntu =D |
| 06:19.53 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: running this on XP {shrieks} I know, I know |
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| 06:22.17 | totem | KittyKatt™ hi |
| 06:23.03 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: you should be fine |
| 06:23.15 | Gm4n | converge: agreed :) |
| 06:23.53 | Gm4n | saac: and you know you're running services on all those ports? |
| 06:25.24 | saac | Gm4n: I only know polipo and tor-socks, I started them myself. The others such as smtp, rpcbind and ipp, come installed as default. lisa and rpc-statd I don't know... |
| 06:26.23 | mordocai | converge: I agree, though ubuntu is good for new users. Debian runs lighter and forces fewer things on you. |
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| 06:28.10 | Dewi | anyone know how I uninstall all the crap I accidentally got because I left 'install recommendations' on? |
| 06:28.23 | Dewi | they are marked auto but aptitude is not removing them now that i've changed the option... |
| 06:28.34 | Gm4n | saac: how are you scanning yourself? If you're using nmap, you could throw in service version detection (-sV) to tell you what the versions are, which will probably help you figure out if it's the right thing |
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| 06:29.52 | Gm4n | Dewi: I don't know the correct answer, but can you do anything like list packages, grep out those, and pipe them to aptitude remove? |
| 06:30.19 | Dewi | Gm4n: yeah, trying to do that now |
| 06:30.54 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: see Apt::AutoRemove::InstallRecommends |
| 06:31.08 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but you really should be installing with Recommends unless you actually know better. |
| 06:31.29 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: well famd just filled my disk, and I neither need nor want it |
| 06:31.36 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: and I have no idea why I have it |
| 06:32.48 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: because lots of things want to know when a file has been modified |
| 06:32.51 | converge | mordocai, exacly, thats the point |
| 06:33.08 | converge | debian give you control |
| 06:33.28 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: there seem to be more modern ways of doing that now... and I can't find a solution for the disk-overflowing logging bug |
| 06:33.53 | mordocai | converge: My CLI-only debian server runs on 47 megs of ram with HTTP, FTP, and samba running. (Not much traffic though). That's the thing i love lol. |
| 06:34.00 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the more modern way is using libfam0, which uses famd, which uses the kernel directly |
| 06:35.23 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: okay, but filling /var with 600MiB of "fd 4 message length 1347375956 bytes exceeds max of 4136" is kind of a dealbreaker |
| 06:35.51 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: when I google that, I just see people suggesting the package is unnecessary and superceded |
| 06:36.13 | Gm4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.34 | Gm4n | I've overflowed it with legitimate http access logs before |
| 06:36.56 | Dewi | Gm4n: it's whatever size you give it, and I didn't have 600MiB spare on this very minimally used machine |
| 06:37.17 | Gm4n | well, of course. but the defaults :) |
| 06:38.01 | Dewi | I wonder what fd 4 is |
| 06:38.22 | Dewi | does that mean file descriptor or floppy disk? |
| 06:38.32 | mordocai | Dewi: Well, i found one person saying that restarting fam fixed it.... have you tried that yet? |
| 06:38.49 | Dewi | mordocai: sure, but that's not gonna stop it happening tomorrow and filling my disk again |
| 06:39.06 | mjmt | Replace it with gamin? |
| 06:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: gamin is the replacement, but the mechanism is the same; regardless, I don't see the issue reported as a bug in Debian |
| 06:39.35 | simonrvn | Dewi: the former |
| 06:39.51 | Dewi | simonrvn: what's the significance of fd 4? seems like a low number |
| 06:39.57 | Dewi | simonrvn: is that one "special" like 1 and 2? |
| 06:40.35 | mordocai | Dewi: Well, according to what I found fam just "sometimes does it", and a restart fixes it. I found mainly archlinux users complaining though |
| 06:40.53 | simonrvn | nah |
| 06:40.59 | simonrvn | 0 1 2 |
| 06:41.03 | Dewi | mordocai: well I guess I could write a cron job to check if it's insane and restart it, but I'd rather fix it |
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| 06:41.33 | mordocai | Dewi: Yeah. The main solution I found was use gamin instead. |
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| 06:41.52 | Dewi | mordocai: I have no idea if I can replace it |
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| 06:42.00 | Dewi | mordocai: because I don't know what depends on fam |
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| 06:43.24 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: alright, I got the server started, so I better kill everything else to get a "ticket" through to my new vmx... |
| 06:43.47 | Gm4n | a ticket? |
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| 06:44.28 | q_a_z_steve | whatever that means, it's something of the error I get when I try to view the console of my windows on windows host... |
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| 06:46.20 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: which means I have to wait for whatever updates are installing, before I can even try it... "Your server may be congested..." |
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| 06:47.39 | simonrvn | Dewi: apt-cache rdepends fam |
| 06:47.53 | simonrvn | or depends.. |
| 06:48.11 | Dewi | simonrvn: how do I filter for stuff I actually have? |
| 06:48.33 | simonrvn | use aptitude ? |
| 06:48.36 | Dewi | simonrvn: that's displaying a whole lot of stuff apt-rdepends didn't |
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| 06:48.45 | Dewi | simonrvn: I guess apt-rdepends doesn't work anymore |
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| 06:50.00 | Gm4n | q_a_z_steve: yay windows? :P |
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| 06:51.28 | q_a_z_steve | Gm4n: no shiz, I really only installed XP because I was going to get this killer job, now that fell through so I should just blow it away. VM Client Windows XP memory 192MB, can I change how fast it thinks the processor is? |
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| 06:52.16 | q_a_z_steve | The attempt to acquire a valid session ticket for BLAH took longer than expected. If this problem persists, contact your system administrator. |
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| 06:53.33 | benzzzzzz | hi |
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| 06:55.09 | KB1JWQ | Hello. |
| 06:56.14 | benzzzzzz | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze on i386, and I lost my raid1 partition... |
| 06:56.45 | benzzzzzz | Is this a known bug ? |
| 06:57.14 | xyan | no its one of the things that might break by upgrading to testing |
| 06:57.29 | xyan | is your /etc/mdadm config ok? |
| 06:57.37 | xyan | what does mdadm --detail --scan tell? |
| 06:57.54 | benzzzzzz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.21 | benzzzzzz | xyan: nothing |
| 06:58.41 | benzzzzzz | I think that the problem comes from the new UUID stuff : |
| 06:59.16 | xyan | if mdadm does not recognize its devices its not related to uuid but rather to missing raid superblocks |
| 06:59.20 | xyan | and thats a bit of a problem |
| 06:59.36 | xyan | can you manually reassemble the md device? |
| 07:00.26 | benzzzzzz | xyan: I'll try. |
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| 07:04.35 | brammat0r | is squeeze frozen already? |
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| 07:04.51 | xyan | yes for roughly a month now |
| 07:05.04 | brammat0r | thanks |
| 07:07.29 | benzzzzzz | xyan: mdam fails to assemble my raid array, as it cannot found superblocks (and the table partition are void on my three disks) |
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| 07:19.56 | benzzzzzz | xyan: I removed mdadm.conf, and ran mdam --assemble --scan : I now get 2 raids devices... |
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| 07:27.11 | ethanol | I cannot setup two virtual tunnel devices it seems using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:27.38 | ethanol | when I try to bring up the second one (first one works fine), I get this |
| 07:27.39 | ethanol | tun1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 07:31.35 | twofish | uhg, I've been running around in circles with this for an hour, I have an eeepc 1000HE with an Ralink RT2860 wireless driver |
| 07:31.50 | twofish | and while the wiki says that squeeze should include the driver automatically |
| 07:32.20 | twofish | I run modprobe rt2860sta and it seems to succeed, but lsmod does not show it |
| 07:32.28 | Without | Hi, for file serving which will be better? 4 x 1TB HARDWARE RAID0 or 2 x 2TB HARDWARE RAID0 ? which 1 will give the more speed? |
| 07:33.25 | twofish | Without probably 4 x 1Tb in RAID5 |
| 07:33.50 | mordocai | twofish: try apt-get install firmware-ralink? |
| 07:33.55 | Without | twofish: i don't need to backup my files, i just need speed. |
| 07:34.16 | twofish | anyway, iwconfig shows the interface, but ifconfig does not, and networkmanager just says it's diconnected |
| 07:34.29 | twofish | mordocai that package doesn't exist anymore |
| 07:34.32 | twofish | not in squeeze anyways |
| 07:34.39 | mordocai | twofish: It does in my squeeze -.- |
| 07:34.44 | twofish | Without then the 4x is stil better |
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| 07:35.13 | Without | ok.. |
| 07:35.15 | Without | thank you. |
| 07:35.20 | twofish | E:Unable to locate package firmware-ralink |
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| 07:35.37 | mordocai | twofish: Do you have the non-free repo enabled? |
| 07:35.45 | twofish | mordocai yes |
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| 07:36.29 | mordocai | twisted_: Yeah, it is supposed to be in squeeze |
| 07:36.38 | mordocai | twisted_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-ralink |
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| 07:38.06 | mordocai | twisted_: You could always use that link to download and install it manually, but i'm not sure why it isn't showing up with apt-get for you. |
| 07:38.15 | twofish | well apparently the kernel.org mirror doesn't have it or something |
| 07:38.22 | simonrvn | ,info firmware-ralink |
| 07:38.23 | judd | Package firmware-ralink (non-free/admin, optional) in lenny/i386: Binary firmware for Ralink RT2561, RT2571, RT2661 and RT2671 wireless cards. Version: 0.14+lenny2; Size: 11.5k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 07:38.35 | simonrvn | ,versions firmware-ralink |
| 07:38.36 | judd | Package firmware-ralink on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.26; sid/non-free: 0.27 |
| 07:39.23 | mordocai | Pastebin your sources.list? Maybe there is some small error or something that you are missing... i couldn't imagine kernel.org missing it. |
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| 07:41.11 | mordocai | twofish: Yeah, it's there i think: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ |
| 07:41.33 | twofish | will do, but also I can't imagine why the wiki says it's included in kernel 2.3.* and it should be automagic |
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| 07:41.55 | mordocai | I think debian strips out all non-free blobs by default? |
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| 07:43.05 | simonrvn | in main yes |
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| 07:44.49 | twofish | pasebin.com/PfccCnzY |
| 07:45.06 | twofish | pastebin.com/PfccCnzY |
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| 07:45.54 | mordocai | I'm getting a blank page from that. |
| 07:46.02 | twofish | hmmm so am I |
| 07:46.05 | twofish | one sec |
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| 07:46.21 | KB1JWQ | mordocai: Same here. |
| 07:46.52 | outlaw84 | I am having some problems with a crashed disk, and this seams to have spread problems to other areas of the installation... my mount point for /var says 2,1Gb(97%) are used but if I run 'du -h' in /var it says only ~600mb is found there :S and this partition has nothing to with the crashed disk |
| 07:47.06 | twofish | here pastebin.org/282938 |
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| 07:47.30 | twofish | oh hell |
| 07:47.33 | twofish | nevermind |
| 07:47.41 | mordocai | twofish: Line 6 you don't have non-free. I assume that's what you saw? :P |
| 07:47.43 | twofish | i see it |
| 07:47.51 | twofish | mordocai yes, thanks |
| 07:47.57 | KB1JWQ | Simple as that. :-) |
| 07:47.59 | twofish | sometimes it just takes talking it out on irc |
| 07:48.07 | mordocai | Yeah, true story |
| 07:48.21 | KB1JWQ | I used to have a stuffed dog on my desk. Mr. Tickles, the Helpdesk Pup we called him. |
| 07:48.25 | KB1JWQ | He solved more problems than most techs. |
| 07:48.39 | mordocai | Is there a law named after the fact that you always figure it out right after you ask for help? If not, there should be. |
| 07:48.40 | KB1JWQ | "Before you ask me, ask the dog." |
| 07:48.50 | twofish | hahaha |
| 07:48.52 | KB1JWQ | Oh, most of my fixes come while drafting emails for mailing lists. :-) |
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| 07:49.04 | mordocai | Lol, yeah. Just typing it out can help too. |
| 07:49.07 | locci | Hello Debian! I have a local server that responds slow to telnet connects. After "telnet <ip>" it replies immediately with "connected to <ip> Escape character is '^]'." but then hangs for about 10 seconds. How would you go about it to find out whats happening in these 10 seconds? |
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| 07:49.10 | KB1JWQ | As I start gathering the relevant data the problem finds me. |
| 07:49.18 | KB1JWQ | locci: What port? |
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| 07:49.32 | KB1JWQ | And why the hell are you running telnetd if "the standard one?" |
| 07:49.37 | locci | KB1JWQ: telnet is 21 if i remember correctly. |
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| 07:49.59 | KB1JWQ | locci: Unless you're on freenode from 1995, ssh is a better solution. |
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| 07:50.46 | KB1JWQ | I'd be inclined to dismiss the issue as "telnet is crap" and be done with it, honestly. :-) Now, in ssh that issue is often caused by bad rDNS. |
| 07:51.13 | locci | KB1JWQ: my machine will reverse dns when i telnet to an ip? |
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| 07:53.36 | jingwen | hello.how to config 801bg |
| 07:54.01 | jingwen | dhcpcd |
| 07:54.44 | KB1JWQ | locci: No clue, it will by default on ssh though. :-) |
| 07:54.46 | jingwen | and wpa_*,but,I can't find this soft |
| 07:55.23 | KB1JWQ | jingwen: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch08_:_Configuring_the_DHCP_Server |
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| 07:56.30 | mark22 | locci: probably yes, at least if I look at search engines I get that idea |
| 07:56.45 | jingwen | thanks |
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| 07:56.53 | KB1JWQ | No worries. |
| 07:57.10 | locci | mark22: looks like its a problem with the computer i connect to. when i set a default route on that machine, the connect happens instantly. |
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| 07:59.27 | fiacha | Ho! I am trying to set up bonding... well i sort of did. I just installed ifenslave and updated /etc/network/interfaces using active-backup... and it works.. but i am getting warnings that i did not set miimon or arp_interval and arp_ip_target.. should i set those? |
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| 07:59.41 | fiacha | Hi* sorry |
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| 08:00.48 | fiacha | i am using: http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding but i don't know if i should stop after the 'for etch and older' section.. should i or is it just the config section that was meant? |
| 08:00.52 | Samus_Aran | if the package fooble provided the file /etc/fooble.conf, and I messed up that file, how can I get the default reinstalled? apt-get install --reinstall fooble does not seem to work |
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| 08:02.32 | ethanol | where can I go to with questions related to /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig / virtual tunnel devices? |
| 08:02.47 | jingwen | that's hard to read !could not understand |
| 08:04.06 | KB1JWQ | jingwen: Don't PM without asking permission in channel first. It's poor manners. |
| 08:04.47 | Samus_Aran | ethanol: what is the question? those aren't off-topic here. you could also try ##Networking or ##Linux if you don't get an answer here. |
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| 08:05.10 | ethanol | Samus_Aran: well I have setup two virtual tunnel devices. but I cannot get the second one "up". I get all kinds of errors |
| 08:05.23 | Samus_Aran | ethanol: "man interfaces" should provide a man page about the file layout |
| 08:05.54 | Samus_Aran | ethanol: I have never done bonding myself, so I am not going to be much help, myself. sorry. :) |
| 08:05.54 | ethanol | Samus_Aran: well the layout of tun0 and tun1 are identical except for address and network |
| 08:06.01 | ethanol | and tun0 works fine |
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| 08:08.07 | fiacha | can someone please just tell me modification of /etc/modprobe.d/arch/x86_64 is still needed in lenny when setting up bonding |
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| 08:11.46 | fiacha | ok i guess not since it is set in the interface config file, right? Well on network restart i got: Reconfiguring network interfaces...Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. What? |
| 08:13.26 | fiacha | Oh well seems to work... |
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| 08:16.34 | yow | hi there |
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| 08:17.35 | yow | is anyone still having the "LSR safety check engaged!" problem, esp. on a HP (NX5000) laptop? |
| 08:17.44 | Samus_Aran | worked with an apt-get remove --purge fooble, then a reinstall. goodnight all. |
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| 08:18.06 | yow | i know it's a more than 5 years old problem but i still can't figure it out |
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| 08:19.38 | yow | i used to think my serial port doesn't work under linux but it started to work "magically" about a couple of months ago, after upgrading to Squeeze (IIRC), however, it occasionally fail and I had to reboot my laptop |
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| 08:20.04 | yow | however, i've rebooted my laptop several times today but it still doesn't work |
| 08:20.22 | yow | does anyone have any idea or suggestion? |
| 08:21.26 | yow | No one? i'll try other chatroom then, thx anyway |
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| 08:29.01 | greenmang0 | can anybody point me to the documentation which describes the use of "bootable flag" one uses while installing Debian |
| 08:29.03 | greenmang0 | ? |
| 08:29.37 | greenmang0 | i want to know when to use it and when not to use it |
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| 08:30.07 | joltcan | greenmang0: I'm pretty sure that lilo/grub doesn't care about it anyway |
| 08:30.35 | Bushmills | greenmang0, you use it with bootloaders other than grub or lilo and such |
| 08:31.33 | joltcan | i.e. wintendo likes the boot flag |
| 08:31.43 | Bushmills | idea is: some (few) boot loader only loolk at that flag when running code from MBR, then load and execute partition boot record of the partition with that flag set |
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| 08:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, I seem to see something very similar to this in squeeze https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/362359 |
| 08:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xinerama |
| 08:33.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xinerama' was found in i386. |
| 08:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 08:34.20 | Bushmills | that's something to configure, not to install |
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| 08:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | i know... still tired |
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| 08:34.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially after reading through half of that ubuntu bug-log |
| 08:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | they seem to be actually finding something out... but they always talk and talk and talk so much useless stuff inbetween |
| 08:35.36 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: thanks for the info |
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| 08:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | admittedly, this _is_ a hard-to-debug bug... doesn't even show any errors |
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| 08:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean ... comments like "Hmm... after one more reboot the problem seems to have disappeared for now." |
| 08:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
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| 08:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, know anything about the alleged avahi freeze? (seems to really not have happened anymore since I uninstalled that) ... does it have a bug number? |
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| 08:59.01 | K0JIbKA | hi all! |
| 09:00.09 | K0JIbKA | there is adempiere-3.6.0_1stPreview.deb package. I use Gdebi to install it. How to check dependencies first? |
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| 09:00.53 | K0JIbKA | The package has been downloaded from other sources than Debian repositories |
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| 09:02.20 | K0JIbKA | is it dpkg -I packagename.deb? |
| 09:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said you use gdebi... the package description sounds as if it should take care of it |
| 09:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, if you break it, you're to keep the pieces |
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| 09:06.52 | sid3k | hi all. is there any naming for this path: "../" |
| 09:07.15 | fbs | how do you mean? |
| 09:08.10 | nast | hmm, cfdisk and fdisk list sdc1 as being a partition, though only /dev/sdc appears in /dev, mdadm is using sdc as an array member [should be using sdc1 but thats possibly unrelated SNAFU], any ideas why i don't see sdc1 in /dev? it was created many reboots ago |
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| 09:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "previous directory" |
| 09:11.10 | jelly | nast: if mdadm is using the whole of /dev/sdc, you don't have to be able to access pieces of it |
| 09:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | "(higher/lower) level directory"... depending how you see the tree grow |
| 09:11.48 | jelly | nast: this is somewhat unexpected but ultimately not so weird |
| 09:12.04 | nast | well that was interesting |
| 09:12.10 | nast | i unplugged the drive and plugged it back in |
| 09:12.15 | nast | now sdc1 is there again |
| 09:12.52 | phogg | CutMeOwnThroat: I would have said "parent directory" |
| 09:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | or that |
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| 09:15.38 | nast | going to reboot and see if sdc1 is still invisible after a boot |
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| 09:20.01 | nast | well, that is strange. no sdc1 anymore. but i know if i hotswap the disk sdc1 will come back |
| 09:20.32 | nast | does a write with cfdisk and notices sdc1 reappear |
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| 09:24.39 | ddalton | can someone help me compile wpasupplicant cos i think i need a newer version than debian supplies |
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| 09:25.31 | ddalton | i get errors like |
| 09:25.32 | ddalton | Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.cfi_sections' |
| 09:25.54 | ddalton | apparently i need up to date gcc or something which is in binutils but i have latest binutils from debian installed |
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| 09:28.45 | ddalton_ | so cqan anyone help? |
| 09:29.52 | ddalton_ | so cqan anyone help? |
| 09:29.54 | ddalton_ | can* |
| 09:30.17 | refdoc | Hi, I am running a no-name NAS on Debian Etch and have finally come round to upgrading it. apt-get dist-upgrade fails at the libc stage - it demands an initial separate kernel upgrade. How can I ensure that I choose teh correct kernel - there are four versions in Debian-arm |
| 09:30.21 | refdoc | Many thanks! |
| 09:30.47 | ddalton_ | fuck this |
| 09:31.10 | themill | ddalton: it's easier to answer if you don't keep disappearing |
| 09:31.14 | themill | *sigh* |
| 09:32.30 | mordocai | some people just have no patience... |
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| 09:35.03 | mordocai | refdoc: You should be able to add the version number to the end of the package name |
| 09:35.59 | mordocai | refdoc: For instance, on am64, i could type apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 09:36.04 | mordocai | amd* |
| 09:36.07 | refdoc | The current kernel I am running is a "no-name" one too. It is 2.6.10 compiled by a nice soul for a different NAS, but never made the offical support list. It works |
| 09:36.45 | mordocai | Well, libc most likely wants the latest kernel version listed in debian-arm. |
| 09:37.29 | refdoc | sorry mordocai - this is a ARM( architecture and there are 4 kernels about - none are specifically my subarchitecture - or at least I have no way of finding out (means I know of no way) |
| 09:37.42 | refdoc | s/ARM(/ARM9/ |
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| 09:38.49 | refdoc | linux-image-2.6.26-2-orion5x 2.6.26-25 |
| 09:38.50 | refdoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.50 | refdoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.50 | refdoc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.42 | themill | dpkg: tell refdoc about paste |
| 09:39.49 | refdoc | sorry for this |
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| 09:40.36 | mordocai | refdoc: Welcome back. I'm afraid i don't really know what to do about ARM subarchitecture... your best bet would probably be figure out how to compile a newer version on your own. (You should be able to copy the config from the currently running kernel, i believe) |
| 09:41.04 | refdoc | http://paste.debian.net/97040/ |
| 09:41.37 | refdoc | Thanks mordocai - I gathered this would be the final outcome, but I just had hope that something else is possible |
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| 09:42.19 | refdoc | compiling on the tiny box is no fun and crosscompiling is something I have not figured out yet |
| 09:42.42 | themill | refdoc: what's the current output of "uname -r" is that helpful at all? |
| 09:43.13 | refdoc | themill - 2.6.10_dev-versatile926ejs |
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| 09:44.01 | themill | ergh. unhelpful. |
| 09:44.09 | refdoc | :-) |
| 09:44.35 | refdoc | Ok, what I can tell it is a non-module kernel. It resides in a tiny flash and is booted by uboot |
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| 09:46.15 | wallunit | How can i detect my (usb) sound card when plugged in, without polling/proc/asound/cards or any other file? |
| 09:46.25 | Number5 | hello guys, after rebooting 31 times, my system (Lenny) forces automatically hdd check. How can I disable that? |
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| 09:47.05 | refdoc | Number5 - this is part of teh hdd filesystem setup |
| 09:47.15 | nogo | tune2fs |
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| 09:47.31 | avar | Where can I find the debian install images built from what will become the new stable? |
| 09:47.38 | Number5 | ok thnx, so I have to look at tune2fs to configure? |
| 09:47.44 | avar | I can only find the ones for the current stable, and that's a bit old and I don't want to install that + upgrade then. |
| 09:47.44 | refdoc | yes |
| 09:47.57 | Number5 | ok thnx guys |
| 09:48.02 | mordocai | Number5: It's not a very good idea to disable it, maybe change it to a higher value. But you can do tune2fs -c <number of reboots> |
| 09:48.14 | nogo | people know all cli commands, but they just want to move to full-gui |
| 09:48.30 | avar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I guess? |
| 09:48.45 | jww | nogo : people doesn't know what's good for them ;) |
| 09:48.53 | et | Number5: there's also a setting to check every N days |
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| 09:49.50 | Number5 | mordocai: I know it's not a good idea, but for my purpose, it won't be used as a heavy used http server with a lot of data storage. It's just little performance, with little data storage. |
| 09:50.01 | Number5 | et thnx too |
| 09:51.06 | mordocai | Number5: Well, i'm not sure if you can completely disable it, but you can change the frequency to some obscenly large value |
| 09:51.35 | Number5 | mordocai: ok, thnx my friend, I keep that in mind :) |
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| 09:59.50 | cast | hmm, initrd rebuild, how? :) |
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| 10:03.10 | cast | ahh, just by chance linux-image needs updating so it'll get rebuilt then |
| 10:03.27 | cast | knowing the manual way would be handy though |
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| 10:05.38 | cast | ahh, update-initramfs :) |
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| 10:12.10 | patrick-- | Hey all! Where has idnconv disappeared to? :O |
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| 10:17.47 | dirkson | Hallo all. What package name does the linux kernel live in? |
| 10:17.57 | Dewi | dirkson: linux-image-* |
| 10:18.36 | dirkson | Dewi: Was afraid of that. I think I need a newer one than sid has available. Am I at the "compile your own" stage now? |
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| 10:20.25 | Nepherius | anyone here using emapthy IM ? |
| 10:20.43 | Dewi | dirkson: newer why? |
| 10:21.20 | dirkson | Dewi: Current kernel doesn't do the usb drivers for my hardware right. |
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| 10:21.39 | dirkson | Dewi: I'm reeeaaallly tired of usb1 speeds on the external media drive. |
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| 10:25.53 | Dewi | !tell dirkson about kernel-package |
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| 10:26.35 | Dewi | that should hopefully make it pretty easy... I wouldn't know, I've never done it |
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| 10:27.05 | dirkson | Dewi: Its pre-recorded thing is useless in the extreme, I'm afraid. I've compiled kernels before, but I have no idea what it wants me to do. |
| 10:27.33 | dirkson | Hmm. I guess it's just redirecting me to a local help file..... in a .gz, for some reason. |
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| 10:28.32 | petemc | dirkson: things are usually in .gz format to save space, if that wasnt obvious.. |
| 10:28.55 | Dewi | dirkson: zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README |
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| 10:29.13 | petemc | eval $(lesspipe) , then just use less |
| 10:29.19 | dirkson | petemc: Yeah, but it's a readme in text format. Are we seriously concerned about a few bytes now? |
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| 10:29.25 | petemc | dirkson: eve |
| 10:29.28 | petemc | erm |
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| 10:29.45 | petemc | it all adds up |
| 10:30.03 | Dewi | dirkson: text is very compressible, and doco takes comparable space to the binaries |
| 10:30.09 | Nepherius | so ..no one uses empathy here ?:( |
| 10:30.16 | dirkson | Hunh. |
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| 10:30.21 | dirkson | I am still skeptical. |
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| 10:30.44 | petemc | feel free to uncompress all the gzipped files on your machine |
| 10:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder why lesspipe is not enabled by default, anyway |
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| 10:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nepherius, there, there... |
| 10:31.45 | Nepherius | ^^ |
| 10:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | (trying to use some empathy there= |
| 10:32.24 | Nepherius | i was talking about the IM :P |
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| 10:32.39 | Nepherius | the damn thing wont work |
| 10:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | the custom is to |
| 10:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ask |
| 10:33.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:33.46 | Nepherius | =)) ok |
| 10:33.57 | Dewi | dirkson: my gnuwin32 distribution was 43% docs, until I compressed down to 19% |
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| 10:34.13 | dirkson | Dewi: Hunh |
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| 10:34.38 | Nepherius | I have a problem with empathy IM , running debain squueze , when i try to login it says Offline - No network connection. |
| 10:35.05 | dirkson | Dewi: Honestly, I rarely read docs that aren't on the internet. (Exception being man pages) It seems weird to me that they comprise so much space. |
| 10:35.11 | Nepherius | it worked fine yesterday .. |
| 10:35.36 | Zenox | I'm upgrading Lenny to Squeeze. Getting problems when udev is installing as I need an newer kernel (which is in Testing, but not on my system yet). How should I go about it? |
| 10:35.37 | Dewi | dirkson: they just do, until you compress them :P |
| 10:35.58 | petemc | dirkson: du -hs /usr/share/doc |
| 10:36.22 | dirkson | petemc: Ok |
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| 10:36.59 | dirkson | petemc: Nearly a gig. Of things I have never touched. |
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| 10:37.30 | dirkson | It would probably break things horribly if that directory were to just vanish, eh? |
| 10:38.09 | petemc | so you've changed your mind that docs dont take up space, and now you think they take up too much space? |
| 10:38.17 | dirkson | Basically, yes :D |
| 10:38.32 | dirkson | I am willing to see reason! |
| 10:38.38 | Dewi | dirkson: only your ability to operate your system :P Of course it would be nice if the filesystem could compress them, but I'm sure it'll be arriving in a fancy new FS soon |
| 10:38.59 | Dewi | disclaimer: actually it might break stuff horribly, I dunno |
| 10:39.01 | petemc | my doc dir is only 53meg |
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| 10:39.45 | Dewi | petemc: mine's up to 300, but only on my super-old system. |
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| 10:40.52 | Dewi | dirkson: apparently btrfs will support transparent gzip... |
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| 10:41.53 | dirkson | Hunh. Wonder why mine is so huge |
| 10:41.53 | Nepherius | so can anyone help me ?:) |
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| 10:42.29 | Dewi | dirkson: you must install a lot of packages |
| 10:42.51 | dirkson | Dewi: Probably. |
| 10:42.55 | Dewi | Nepherius: dunno, sorry |
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| 10:44.33 | dirkson | Kernel sure has good compression. 67mb turning into over 400. |
| 10:45.11 | Dewi | dirkson: source code compresses even better than text; lots of repetitive tokens and white space |
| 10:45.57 | dirkson | Dewi: Apparently! :D |
| 10:46.20 | Bushmills | dirkson, du /usr/share/doc|sort -n tells you what uses up all that space |
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| 10:47.06 | Bushmills | can be as little as docs of one package, for example lilipond docs take up almost 400 MiB |
| 10:47.07 | Dewi | Bushmills: hint -BM or -BG |
| 10:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nepherius, you just switched to offline mode and have to switch back? |
| 10:47.24 | Dewi | Bushmills: still consistent for sorting but way more readable |
| 10:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in firefox? |
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| 10:48.21 | azomoas | hasn debian-devel moved to another irc server? |
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| 10:48.50 | dirkson | Lilypond! |
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| 10:49.17 | Nepherius | CutMeOwnThroat: i`m just trying to connect ..but i think i found the issue |
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| 10:49.44 | Nepherius | for some reason the server box is empty |
| 10:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nepherius, check in /var/log/dpkg.log if you upgraded that package recently... i.e. directly before you saw that bug. if yes, downgrade to the older version, it should still be in /var/cache/apt/archives/, if not, move your settings away in $HOME or try with a fresh user |
| 10:50.38 | Nepherius | didnt change anything since yesterday |
| 10:50.49 | Nepherius | no upgrades , no settings changed no nothing |
| 10:52.14 | Nepherius | would be great if i could find the damn server address for yahoo and see if it works :) |
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| 10:56.14 | robokop | Nepherius: what is the exact problem |
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| 11:01.38 | Nepherius | robokop: didnt know you use debian :) |
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| 11:02.21 | robokop | Nepherius: ofc i do |
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| 11:03.50 | robokop | Nepherius: can you ping l1.login.vip.ird.yahoo.com |
| 11:03.56 | Nepherius | i`m trying to use empathy IM to connect to my yahoo account but for some reason it doesnt work |
| 11:04.13 | cast | could use something else :> |
| 11:04.28 | f00li5h | should I expect apt-get update mediawiki to delete all my configs, without asking? |
| 11:04.37 | f00li5h | and did it just put them somewhere else for the sake of the update? |
| 11:04.39 | Nepherius | i could , it works fine robokop |
| 11:04.57 | robokop | f00li5h: it shouldn't delete anything at all |
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| 11:05.16 | f00li5h | robokop: the configs are gone... |
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| 11:05.32 | f00li5h | so it may have replaced the directory they were in |
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| 11:06.34 | robokop | Nepherius: strange, what is the exact error message |
| 11:06.35 | Dewi | f00li5h: check for renames in the dir |
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| 11:06.47 | Nepherius | ok so i can connect to anything else except yahoo |
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| 11:07.07 | Nepherius | Offline - No network connection |
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| 11:07.43 | f00li5h | Dewi: the what? |
| 11:07.44 | Nepherius | and the server field is empty and wont let me change that either :) |
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| 11:08.37 | Dewi | f00li5h: normally dpkg will ask if it needs to displace a config file, and even if it does, it renames your file instead of replacing it |
| 11:09.17 | f00li5h | Dewi: was I unclear about "it did not ask"? |
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| 11:10.00 | Dewi | f00li5h: you were unclear about what file you're missing |
| 11:10.36 | petemc | also the command you said you ran was incorrect |
| 11:11.10 | Dewi | I'm not sure what dpkg will do if you made your modifications somewhere it didn't expect |
| 11:11.20 | f00li5h | petemc: right, i make typos when i'm fucking furious that something fucked my wiki config with outasking. obviously it was apt-get install mediawiki |
| 11:11.35 | robokop | Nepherius: sorry but have to run to college |
| 11:11.35 | f00li5h | LocalSettings.php is not unexpected |
| 11:11.51 | Dewi | f00li5h: what's the full path? |
| 11:12.00 | robokop | f00li5h: plz mind your language in here |
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| 11:12.06 | Nepherius | have fun robo |
| 11:12.19 | Nepherius | :) |
| 11:12.23 | f00li5h | robokop: i don't recall seeing any policy on the topic, so i assuemd we were all adults. |
| 11:12.55 | f00li5h | Dewi: /var/lib/mediawiki |
| 11:13.05 | frikinz | f00li5h: the list of conf-files for a given package can be seen with dpkg -s <packagename> |
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| 11:14.12 | tgywa | Hi ...I've installed the latest version of a module(mod_fcgid) from source. How can I get the path to the installed module? |
| 11:14.19 | f00li5h | perhpas there is something in the release notes that says "updated foo to totally ingore and remove existing LocalSettings.php's" |
| 11:15.17 | Dewi | f00li5h: what's in /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php ? |
| 11:15.35 | f00li5h | Dewi: it was absent, now it's my old one |
| 11:15.47 | Dewi | f00li5h: isn't that what you want? |
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| 11:16.32 | Dewi | f00li5h: there seems to be instructions about that package here - http://wiki.debian.org/MediaWiki |
| 11:16.51 | Dewi | f00li5h: php apps don't really adhere to unix conventions so it's anyone's guess how the packager deals with that |
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| 11:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tgywa, you installed it from source, and now you ask _us_ where you put it?! |
| 11:17.50 | negev | hi, i used a meta package to install a whole bunch of stuff, the removed the metapackage because there were one or two things i didn't want. now apt is showing loads of packages as 'automatically installed and no longer required' but i want them. is there a way to mark all these packages as manually installed rather than automatically? |
| 11:17.59 | tgywa | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry ... but am new |
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| 11:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a perfectly fine package for it if that was apache you're talking about...libapache2-mod-fcgid |
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| 11:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have used that |
| 11:18.38 | miltio | hi |
| 11:18.39 | Dewi | negev: aptitude unmarkauto <package> |
| 11:18.45 | Dewi | negev: for the ones you want to keep |
| 11:18.49 | negev | cool thanks |
| 11:18.51 | f00li5h | Dewi: debian policy says config in /etc, doesn't it? |
| 11:18.55 | miltio | anyone know is there is a patch for sky2 module? |
| 11:19.01 | Dewi | f00li5h: yeah |
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| 11:22.57 | negev | Dewi: when i do that, it tells me it wants to remove 60 packages :/ |
| 11:23.23 | Dewi | negev: is the count going down as you mark the ones you want? |
| 11:23.28 | negev | nope |
| 11:23.47 | negev | i mean after entering the unmarkauto command, its prompting me to remove stuff |
| 11:23.51 | negev | that i marked as keep |
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| 11:23.58 | negev | and put {u} after each one |
| 11:23.58 | Dewi | negev: maybe it's too late after removing the parent... try 'install' instead |
| 11:24.05 | negev | ah ok |
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| 11:24.26 | Dewi | negev: and you can probably list heaps on one line in either case |
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| 11:25.09 | negev | i did, thanks :) |
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| 11:27.10 | negev | Dewi: is there a way i can list all packages that don't have any other packages dependant on them? |
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| 11:29.04 | Dewi | negev: there's complicated search things in the aptitude readme in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 11:30.10 | Dewi | negev: less -i /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 11:30.17 | negev | ok thanks |
| 11:30.23 | Dewi | negev: type /search term ref |
| 11:31.01 | Dewi | make that /^search term ref |
| 11:31.20 | negev | cool |
| 11:31.32 | brbrbr | sry for newb Q, but where is i can read about appx Debian 6 ETA/release date ? |
| 11:32.05 | stonie | hi .. i built a fs with mkfs.ext4 ... when i want to mount it i get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" ... ??? |
| 11:32.39 | themill | brbrbr: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 11:32.39 | jelly | stonie: on a debian 5 system? You need a newer kernel. |
| 11:32.45 | brbrbr | custom-bult kernel w/o Ext4 support, maybe ? |
| 11:33.12 | jelly | stonie: the 2.6.32 kernel from "/msg dpkg bdo" will be sufficient |
| 11:33.19 | brbrbr | oh, i forgot about mailist |
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| 11:33.35 | stonie | jelly, thought so . .thanks!.. but i wondered why mkfs is available then |
| 11:34.03 | brbrbr | bdo ? bpo meant? |
| 11:34.17 | jelly | brbrbr: no. |
| 11:34.22 | brbrbr | ok. tnx |
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| 11:35.37 | brbrbr | hm, what latest "really working w/o black magic&hours of dancing w/lightsaber" vanilla kernel for Lenny (5.x) Debian ? |
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| 11:35.58 | blip2 | 24? |
| 11:36.11 | brbrbr | i tried 35 and it blows my mind each attempts to make it operational under it |
| 11:36.14 | abrotman | 42 |
| 11:36.43 | blip2 | brbrbr: isn't 35 fairly new |
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| 11:37.14 | brbrbr | which is reming me Douglas adams-written books "universal answer to ALL" .. nmbr ;) |
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| 11:37.24 | brbrbr | "27" |
| 11:37.59 | blip2 | I use 2.6.26-2 for production atm |
| 11:38.08 | fireba11 | brbrbr: 42! |
| 11:38.13 | brbrbr | oj |
| 11:38.18 | brbrbr | bookmarked |
| 11:38.32 | brbrbr | for |
| 11:38.48 | brbrbr | "production" im always stick to "tested"/stable |
| 11:39.38 | brbrbr | so if someone q about something else its[logically]mean "not for production" usage, except IT incompetence of asking person which is ethically not my buziness |
| 11:39.59 | alkii | I am going to upgrade from a 32bit to a 64bit system on different hardware. what can I realistically take along? |
| 11:40.12 | brbrbr | IO booost |
| 11:40.33 | brbrbr | skyroketing on AMD with decent[8 and above Gb RAM] |
| 11:40.37 | jelly | alkii: you can't upgrade. You can, however, make a new installation and migrate all your data along. |
| 11:40.51 | brbrbr | and some other [like 2.2 mul speedup] things |
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| 11:41.36 | alkii | jelly: yeah, that was more like my question. if there's any "export-debian-stuff-for-later-import" software. |
| 11:41.46 | brbrbr | oh, yeah, transparent[!!]migration isn't possible :[ |
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| 11:42.18 | brbrbr | yep, you can use "export list of selected packages" straight from synaptic |
| 11:42.21 | alkii | I guess it would make sense to save dpkg -l output somewhere, for example :P |
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| 11:42.30 | jelly | alkii: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 11:42.31 | brbrbr | and then reinstall it on brand new distro |
| 11:42.39 | f8l | alkii: You may copy your /etc, but I don't know if it is good to do so. |
| 11:42.53 | brbrbr | p.s. except things absent in x64 subtree |
| 11:42.54 | jelly | alkii: that's just for the package set |
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| 11:44.01 | alkii | I guess I'll best just tar or so up my home dir and do the rest manually |
| 11:44.07 | jelly | alkii: and there will be some differences between architectures, esp. wrt libc6 optimization packages (libc6-i686 / libc6-amd64) and 32bit compatibility |
| 11:44.11 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 11:44.24 | TomyLobo | how do i list files in a package i have installed? |
| 11:44.29 | f00li5h | >_< |
| 11:44.33 | jelly | TomyLobo: dpkg -L packagename |
| 11:44.38 | TomyLobo | and with apt? |
| 11:45.09 | themill | TomyLobo: dpkg -L packagename |
| 11:45.10 | brbrbr | manually export/edit - safer way |
| 11:45.18 | TomyLobo | oh nm, that seems to work on package names too, not just on files |
| 11:45.48 | jelly | that _only_ works on package names, TomyLobo |
| 11:46.11 | brbrbr | but in case of "huge installation/overloaded distribution" isn't bad way is to make things [REALLY!!]"from scratch" imo |
| 11:46.58 | brbrbr | thats strongly depends time resources, of course and etc, but if you care about results, don't rush so fast ;) |
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| 11:47.18 | jelly | alkii: if you want generic migration steps, they'd be something like: install base system; copy the passwd/shadow database; install the rest of the packages needed for your cloned machine; copy data |
| 11:47.58 | themill | watch out for dynamically created users and groups when doing that |
| 11:48.19 | jelly | that's why the order above is not to be messed with lightly |
| 11:48.56 | jelly | also, using tar/rsync/whatever with numeric uids/gids may or may not be helpful |
| 11:50.37 | themill | jelly: are there any dynamically created users even in the base system? (I've never bothered to look) |
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| 11:51.15 | jelly | themill: there better not be! |
| 11:51.40 | jelly | it'd make no sense, but I confess I haven't checked either O:-D |
| 11:55.03 | themill | jelly: cron dynamically creates "crontab" group if it doens't already exist (and cron is P:important) |
| 11:55.12 | jelly | eyes libuuid:x:100:101::/var/lib/libuuid:/bin/sh suspiciously |
| 11:56.14 | jelly | Subject: system unnecessarily hard to migrate Severity: srs |
| 11:56.14 | stonie | would you use ext4 at all? or still 3 ... |
| 11:56.14 | themill | same with exim4, mlocate, nfs-common and openssh-client (P:standard) |
| 11:56.44 | jelly | themill: those aren't part of base |
| 11:57.02 | themill | jelly: "standard task" is normally considered part of the base install |
| 11:57.14 | jelly | no? |
| 11:57.32 | brbrbr | like chatting via ircd ;) |
| 11:57.43 | brbrbr | or telnet'ing to satellite ;) |
| 11:57.52 | jelly | well, then... when I said "install base system" I meant exactly that. |
| 11:58.04 | jelly | no silly standard tasks! |
| 11:58.17 | themill | jelly: e.g. recent reference: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/msg00125.html |
| 11:58.26 | brbrbr | put in console "connect me to evil super-duper alien death star satellite then" |
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| 12:03.26 | abrotman | brbrbr: are you on drugs? |
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| 12:04.40 | brbrbr | abrotman never use any kind of intoxication per my whole life |
| 12:05.07 | brbrbr | except anstesia while my physcist fix my spine after crash accident maybe |
| 12:05.21 | stew | can we please try to keep this channel contstructive and on-topic |
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| 12:14.29 | andrewnemeth | hey guys |
| 12:14.46 | andrewnemeth | I want to implement dpkg-reconfigure locales in a shell scripts |
| 12:14.48 | andrewnemeth | script |
| 12:15.07 | andrewnemeth | how can I set the default one automatically? |
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| 12:19.39 | abrotman | andrewngrrdidntwait |
| 12:20.01 | GYuGYu | just wanted a quick reply;) |
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| 12:31.55 | vliam | i can play wmv files (with sound) using mplayer, but if i play wmv HD files, it display the movie but without sound, what should i do ? |
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| 12:34.27 | abrotman | vliam: using which mplayer? |
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| 12:35.33 | vliam | abrotman, so sorry is SMPlayer |
| 12:35.55 | abrotman | yes .. from lenny? squeeze? debian-multimedia? built from source? |
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| 12:36.52 | vliam | i am running lenny amd64, installed from debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:37.26 | vliam | i mean i have installed smplayer w64codecs libdvdcss2 |
| 12:37.54 | vliam | but i do not install w32codecs --- because i am running amd64 |
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| 12:39.31 | vliam | all those WMV HD files can play (with sound) in Windows XP, but if with SMPlayer in lenny, it do not have sound. |
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| 12:41.09 | mrtnt | Is there a terminal emulation program under Linux, which supports pausing before each byte/line transfer? |
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| 12:44.05 | bolt-work | mrtnt: what on earth are you trying to do? |
| 12:44.11 | vliam | the WMV HD file are with properties of WMA Version 9 |
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| 12:45.32 | mrtnt | bolt-work: I have a configuration file for a network device(2100 lines). This device is configurable only over console line. If I copy chunks of those lines into terminal(I use minicom), there will be mistakes (sometimes some characters missing, space characters added etc). |
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| 12:47.59 | jelly | mrtnt: sounds like your flow control settings on the serial port aren't set up correctly |
| 12:48.55 | mrtnt | jelly: Hardware flow control and software flow control doesn't help either(as I use RS232-to-USB converter, I'm even not sure, if RTS and CTS signals are implemented). |
| 12:49.18 | jelly | mrtnt: yeah, cheap converters skip on those parts |
| 12:50.00 | jelly | he had to do try a couple models before finding ones that worked reliably on cisco equipment |
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| 12:50.17 | danielito | hi there. is there a way (ressource) where I can find an old etch image? |
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| 12:52.29 | bolt-work | !oldstable |
| 12:52.29 | dpkg | from memory, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | !tell danielito about ado |
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| 12:58.41 | kurrata | hi, i am making .deb package. could someone check what version libopenal.so debian has now? |
| 12:59.55 | danielito | bolt-work: I asked if I'm able to download a version of etch |
| 13:00.05 | danielito | not about what etch is, I know it's oldstable |
| 13:00.18 | danielito | abrotman you are the man, thx a lot! |
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| 13:01.30 | SPF | .versions libopenal1 |
| 13:01.53 | kurrata | SPF thanks |
| 13:02.13 | bolt-work | danielito: did you look at the link? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable points you straight to the archive, saying the repository is right there. |
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| 13:02.36 | danielito | bolt-work: I'm sorry, u r right! |
| 13:02.41 | danielito | so thx to u 2 ;) |
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| 13:03.16 | SPF | !versions libopenal1 |
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| 13:03.50 | SPF | guess it's offline |
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| 13:04.42 | abrotman | SPF: you did it wrong |
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| 13:05.01 | abrotman | SPF: though you could also "http://packages.debian.org/libopenal1" |
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| 13:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | did he mean "u r r8"? |
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| 13:06.45 | tgywa | I can't get an so file of a compiled mod_fcgid modules ? How can I get that ? |
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| 13:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what file |
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| 13:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might mean libapache2-mod-fcgid... or possibly not |
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| 13:16.36 | ondrejk | is possible to create virtual sound card in debian? |
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| 13:18.36 | tifflor | is there some way to reinstall all the installed packages including maybe missing dependencies? |
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| 13:21.04 | jelly | tifflor: why? |
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| 13:21.10 | wieshka | Hey folks, i have problem with networking (routing) via VPN (PPTP). My current configuration routes all traffic over VPN (important for me), and also makes accesable 3 networks over VPN: 192.168.30/24 (VPN network), 192.168.5.0/24 (Other VPN network), 192.168.10.0/24 (Other remote LAN), but i am lacking access to global internet now. Here is the output of route -n: http://wieshka.pastebin.com/YnhzaUid . So the main problem is to make global internet accessable |
| 13:21.11 | wieshka | VPN. Any ideas ? |
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| 13:22.11 | jelly | tifflor: "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" is supposed to fix dependency issues |
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| 13:23.09 | tifflor | jelly: cause I want to build a source tarball but for some reason it keeps telling me curl not available eventhough the curllibs are all installed, and the config.log tells me there are some missing references |
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| 13:23.59 | jelly | tifflor: what are you trying to build? |
| 13:24.07 | tifflor | zabbix |
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| 13:25.38 | jelly | tifflor: the version in lenny-backports isn't adequate for your needs? |
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| 13:25.50 | CissWit | wieshka: could it be a problem of dns resolution ? Still using dns from your local provider, but tring to access it over global internt by the vpn ? |
| 13:25.59 | tifflor | jelly: I try to install the 1.8.4-rc1 |
| 13:26.10 | tifflor | jelly: so no, I don't think so |
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| 13:26.17 | wieshka | CissWit:, hmmm, so, i should check /etc/resolv/conf ? |
| 13:26.46 | jelly | tifflor: you're probably missing some build dependencies (development-related packages for the libraries you need) |
| 13:27.28 | CissWit | wieshka: yes. |
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| 13:27.53 | wieshka | CissWit: hmmm now i added my VPN local ip address, and now with ping command, it receives hosts IP, but no real ping. |
| 13:27.54 | CissWit | and you should try to access an ip directly. If you can, but can't access the host, then, its only a dns problem. |
| 13:27.56 | jelly | tifflor: I'd suggest adding a deb-src line for lenny-backports, and then installing all the build-dependencies that backporters used -- apt-get build-dep zabbix-server-mysql |
| 13:28.10 | wieshka | CissWit: ok give me a moment, for some tests :) |
| 13:28.24 | jelly | tifflor: that applies if you're using debian 5 (lenny) |
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| 13:28.47 | tifflor | jelly: http://pastebin.com/ZpmAvJiM |
| 13:28.56 | tifflor | for example |
| 13:28.57 | d0x | Hi, i need to forward multiple ports to an remote machine temporaly. Is there a good why via ssh like ssh -L |
| 13:29.01 | d0x | ? |
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| 13:29.22 | d0x | I don´t like to open 5 ssh sessions for 5 ports |
| 13:29.54 | CissWit | wieshka: if you are admin on the vpn server, you can configure it such a way that it will ask you'r client to configure themself in order to have all the trafic going through the vpn. you would ony have to add some local route then (you could even do it server side, btw) |
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| 13:30.54 | wieshka | CissWit: i already have srcnat firewall entry (masquerade) what redirects 192.168.3.0/24 to global internet interface |
| 13:31.24 | CissWit | wieshka: did you echo 1 > /never/remember/the/exact/path/ip_forward ? |
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| 13:32.57 | CissWit | and i was talking about the 'push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp"' vpn option |
| 13:33.30 | CissWit | and you can also push dns option, so that your clients use the same than the server's |
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| 13:35.34 | tifflor | jelly: I can't use a backport cause the system I'm using has been built without the .deb packages |
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| 13:36.03 | tifflor | and who built the system didn't use the default dirs for installation |
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| 13:37.05 | tifflor | jelly: so this option doesn't work out, I've tried right now |
| 13:37.10 | tifflor | not helping |
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| 13:41.49 | wieshka | CissWit: aha - i have ip_forwarding enabled |
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| 13:44.38 | jelly | tifflor: but, I suggested to use the information from the backports repo to install -dev packages needed to build the software, not to use the backported packages |
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| 13:45.01 | tifflor | jelly: oh ok, wait I'll check |
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| 13:45.02 | ethanol | does debian support /etc/net in lenny? |
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| 13:45.55 | jelly | hates when people just match keywords instead of reading with a modicum of understanding |
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| 13:46.46 | ethanol | jelly: basically, iproute2 configuration instead of the old deprecated ifconfig |
| 13:47.35 | wrksx | does en_US.UTF-8 handles 'é' 'à ' etc.. the same way as FR_FR.UTF-8 since both use utf8 ? |
| 13:47.52 | ethanol | wrksx: yes |
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| 13:48.03 | wrksx | thanks |
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| 13:50.29 | jelly | ethanol: I don't know. However, ifupdown, Debian's default framework for net config, still doesn't use iproute as backend |
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| 13:52.57 | tifflor | jelly: sorry ;) |
| 13:53.09 | tifflor | jelly: but it still didn't work out |
| 13:53.27 | magyarlatin | Hello everyone |
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| 13:55.24 | jelly | tifflor: you've been able to apt-get build-dep zabbix-whatev, it installed some more -dev packages, and the build still fails? |
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| 13:55.47 | jelly | tifflor: can you pastebin the commands and outputs you ran? |
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| 13:56.37 | tifflor | jelly: yes the package installed additional packages and yes the config still fails |
| 13:57.34 | jelly | tifflor: even after a make distclean (or a clean tarball unpack)? |
| 13:58.04 | jelly | tifflor: pastebin the output of a failing command, please. If it's configure, pastebin config.log as well |
| 13:58.20 | tifflor | jelly: I didn't do a make till now |
| 13:58.26 | ethanol | jelly: I know, it makes me kinda sad :< |
| 13:58.28 | tifflor | jelly: just doing the configure |
| 13:59.10 | jelly | ethanol: it's been making me sad for a better part of a decade, I decided not to care |
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| 13:59.24 | tifflor | jelly: http://pastebin.com/DEyyAfB4 and the command line is the following: ./configure --enable-server --enable-agent --enable-proxy --enable-sockets --enable-static --with-net-snmp --with-mysql --with-ipmi --with-ssh2 --with-libcurl |
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| 14:00.20 | skinder | hi, i have an intel wireless device (5150, [8086:423c]). it worked ok with lenny. but now i upgraded to unstable and i cant make this thing working >_<. here are details: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/23704 |
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| 14:01.07 | jelly | tifflor: are you sure you're running Debian? that looks like an ubuntu kernel and an Ubuntu gcc running... |
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| 14:02.05 | jelly | configure:2795: gcc --version >&5 gcc (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu9) 4.4.1 # <-- not Debian |
| 14:02.14 | jelly | !nopony tifflor |
| 14:02.14 | dpkg | tifflor: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 14:02.42 | wcs | hi fols! |
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| 14:03.26 | skinder | :< |
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| 14:08.13 | alkii | so I want to copy /etc/passwd /etc/shadow? |
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| 14:08.33 | alkii | (@ jelly) |
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| 14:09.26 | jelly | alkii: and /etc/group and /etc/gshadow, and be careful that there are no clashing entries between old and new systems |
| 14:10.15 | alkii | jelly: can I merge all of those by hand? |
| 14:10.48 | skinder | what is wrong with my wifi? no people with intel 5150 here? °_° |
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| 14:11.56 | wcs | skinder: is supported on the kernel? what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:12.06 | tifflor | jelly: thank you anyway you helped a lot |
| 14:12.11 | skinder | skinder-laptop# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:12.11 | skinder | squeeze/sid |
| 14:12.27 | wcs | squeeze |
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| 14:12.37 | wcs | mmm |
| 14:12.42 | skinder | wcs, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/23704 |
| 14:13.01 | wcs | man, Im on console |
| 14:13.07 | skinder | ow. |
| 14:13.32 | skinder | maybe sudo apt-get install lynx? or wget http://paste.org/pastebin/view/23704 ? :) |
| 14:14.15 | wcs | don't worry |
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| 14:14.24 | wcs | I use links2 |
| 14:14.33 | wcs | hahaha |
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| 14:15.11 | skinder | >_> i willnt argue, i just want to use my wifi ._. |
| 14:16.44 | wcs | you're ussing sid |
| 14:17.19 | skinder | i dunno what im using, it's marked as "unstable" |
| 14:18.26 | wcs | unstable is sid :P |
| 14:18.29 | wcs | mmm |
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| 14:18.40 | skinder | then i use sid :) |
| 14:18.51 | skinder | ahem. |
| 14:18.57 | wcs | the module iwlan is not loaded |
| 14:19.42 | wcs | try sudo modprobe iwlan |
| 14:19.42 | wcs | you forget the "sudo" before modprobe :P |
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| 14:20.11 | skinder | ermm. |
| 14:20.32 | skinder | >skinder-laptop# modprobe iwlagn |
| 14:20.34 | skinder | >skinder-laptop# |
| 14:20.37 | skinder | ># |
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| 14:20.48 | CodeOfSilence | goto http://tinyurl.com/348ajfj for teh win. DO IT! |
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| 14:21.07 | wcs | hahaha |
| 14:21.20 | wcs | sorry, I dont see the # :P |
| 14:21.32 | skinder | heh :) |
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| 14:23.10 | wcs | dude, a "real man solution".... compile the iwlan module from source! |
| 14:23.13 | wcs | haha |
| 14:23.19 | wcs | just kidding |
| 14:23.52 | skinder | ohh, i want to sleeeep. or a vacation. |
| 14:24.01 | skinder | my heeead T_T |
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| 14:24.35 | skinder | i think when it's night in russia more people will be here |
| 14:24.39 | skinder | right? |
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| 14:25.09 | skinder | ill wait for night and ask anyone |
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| 14:26.27 | wcs | I think your problem most be solved installing the firmware-iwlwifi package... |
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| 14:27.06 | Dominicus | What's the best method for setting up a Debian VPN server that works with Windows clients? (Is it possible to open multiple VPN connections simultaneously?) |
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| 14:27.13 | Moult | anybody here familiar with setting up suphp on debian? i have a few questions about debian's modifications |
| 14:27.27 | skinder | wcs, |
| 14:27.28 | skinder | skinder-laptop# aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:27.29 | skinder | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 14:29.13 | Dominicus | skinder: unless he's already logged in as root, then POOF. |
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| 14:30.10 | skinder | waitwaitwaitwhatwhatwhat? |
| 14:30.44 | Dominicus | skinder: he should be using the "-P" flag. |
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| 14:32.43 | skinder | °_°'' |
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| 14:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | which he |
| 14:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why should he bother |
| 14:34.45 | ufa | hello, Does anyone knows how many DVDs I need to do a offline desktop install of Squeeze? |
| 14:35.00 | ufa | I am really out of network bandwidth |
| 14:35.07 | et | depends on what you need. |
| 14:35.27 | ufa | basic gnome |
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| 14:36.59 | skinder | i know it's not the best place for such question, but how do i translate a page on wiki.debian.org? |
| 14:38.13 | Dominicus | skinder: http://translate.google.com/ |
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| 14:40.43 | ufa | I have downloaded the first DVD, but it does not have gnome |
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| 14:43.36 | qq- | ufa, usually CD-1 , for sure examine http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-dvd/debian-506-i386-DVD-1.list.gz |
| 14:43.49 | skinder | Dominicus, ha-ha, very funny =_= |
| 14:44.17 | qq- | !cd contents |
| 14:44.18 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | ufa: it should have part of it, it used to .. but really, it's generally recommended to use the netinst and get the rest from an http source |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | ufa: the netinst is genrally a better use of bandwidth |
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| 14:47.25 | arosen | Hello, I'm trying to setup a debian repo for local installs. Could someone point me to the easiest way to do that? |
| 14:48.15 | ufa | abrotman - I'm running out of bandwidth, so it is not an option to download 100's of MB |
| 14:48.22 | abrotman | you just did .. |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | if you'd have asked us before downloading a CD, we could have told you |
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| 14:48.38 | abrotman | !tell arosen about own repo |
| 14:48.42 | ufa | I will try the first cd, but it is funny that the 1st DVD does not have what the 1st CD have |
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| 14:51.24 | arosen | abrotman: thanks though how do i first download all the packages? |
| 14:51.47 | arosen | I just want to mirror i386 |
| 14:51.59 | arosen | this way i can do a net install and point it to my mirror |
| 14:52.38 | skinder | !help |
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| 14:53.41 | abrotman | arosen: you want a proxy, not a mirror |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | arosen: apt-cache show approx |
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| 14:54.26 | arosen | abrotman: I want to setup my own mirror i think because the computers i'm installing this to will not have an route to the internet. |
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| 14:54.39 | arosen | In that case I need a mirror right? |
| 14:54.47 | abrotman | arosen: who cares? use a proxy, not a mirror .. you're wasting an incredible amount of donated bandwidth to mirror all of Debian |
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| 14:55.18 | abrotman | arosen: How is your mirror different than a proxy? the clients don't know what they're getting, they're just asking from a 'mirror' as far as they know |
| 14:55.32 | abrotman | and the proxy saves you bandwidth, and saves Debian bandwidth |
| 14:55.57 | Dominicus | proxy = cached copy !!! |
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| 14:56.07 | abrotman | who cares !!! |
| 14:56.52 | arosen | abrotman: because the mirror isn't going to have a route to the internet either. I was just going to set this up on a virtual machine and then move it to different network to use. Therefore I don't think i can use the proxy :( |
| 14:57.51 | Moult | anybody here familiar with setting up suphp on debian? i have a few questions about debian's modifications |
| 14:58.07 | skinder | to make a translation of a page on wiki.debian.org i must only create a page ru/PageName and write a translated text there if language is russian and page name is PageName? |
| 14:58.20 | skinder | or i must paste some templates-links on other pages? |
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| 14:59.25 | skinder | ._. |
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| 15:03.47 | kooll | arosen: a mirror is rather large, and probably not needed even in your case. just install from a cdrom, then use something like apt-zip to get the potential updates to the offline machine |
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| 15:08.37 | arosen | kooll: the only way to install these nodes is via pxe boot. So I need to give it the files some how from there. |
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| 15:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: You could try making an abbreviated mirror of just the files you need, but that would involve customizing the file index and such. |
| 15:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | !mirror |
| 15:12.20 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 15:12.49 | keith4 | a mirror for just 2 archs is > 100G, easily |
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| 15:13.16 | keith4 | Moult: do you have a specific question about it? |
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| 15:13.45 | kooll | arosen: it really sounds like a waste of time to do it that way :) |
| 15:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: It's hard to buy less than half a terrabyte of storage these days. |
| 15:13.51 | alkii | how do I best compress my /home/ with access rights and user ownership and everything intact for migration to a new computer? |
| 15:14.11 | fnordper1ect | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.17 | Moult | keith4: yes, specifically about the implications of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519005 and its "fix" |
| 15:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: |
| 15:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: tar |
| 15:15.09 | keith4 | jhutchins_kc: sure, but he has to *download* all of that from somewhere |
| 15:15.27 | arosen | I have one of the computers setup exactly how I want it. Is there a way to grab all the packages off that node to create a mirror of the packages i'll need? |
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| 15:16.19 | alkii | jhutchins_lt: tar -cpJf archive.xz? |
| 15:16.30 | kooll | arosen: the packages are probably all in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 15:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | !debian clone |
| 15:16.53 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
| 15:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: I use czvf myself. |
| 15:17.57 | alkii | jhutchins_lt: yeah but that lacks the -p to keep permissions :p |
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| 15:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: It does it anyway. |
| 15:18.27 | Moult | keith4: are you familiar with suphp? |
| 15:18.27 | keith4 | Moult: that fix should allow things in the suphp docroot to be executed under suphp, and other php to work as normal. which is good. last time i set up suphp, i had to butcher the conf to make it do what i wanted |
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| 15:18.37 | bluegene | is there any recommendable way of managing passwords under linux? |
| 15:18.59 | Moult | keith4: yes, it is good, except that many of the guides i see ask to do `a2dismod php5` |
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| 15:19.15 | keith4 | Moult: right, because normally they do not coexist happily |
| 15:19.21 | Moult | keith4: correct |
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| 15:19.42 | keith4 | the other option would be to.... not run things like phpmyadmin on your suphp box ;-) |
| 15:19.45 | Moult | keith4: however "other php to work as normal", such as phpmyadmin in /usr/share/, where suphp is disabled...it still needs a php to work |
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| 15:20.09 | Moult | keith4: so if suphp is disabled for phpmyadmin, and there is no mod_php5 ... then phpmyadmin cannot work |
| 15:20.13 | Moult | keith4: so what is the solution? |
| 15:20.32 | keith4 | Moult: either enable both, or don't run phpmyadmin on your suphp'd box |
| 15:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | !tell arosen about preseed |
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| 15:21.04 | Moult | keith4: well, phpmyadmin is a very nice tool to have, and enabling both is highly recommended against. is there no way to have the best of both worlds on debian? |
| 15:22.55 | arosen | kooll: Ok so i've moved all of the debs to /var/www/debian. From there I can run dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz. Now When I go to install a node I should just beable to point it there? |
| 15:23.38 | keith4 | Moult: if you look at the suphp.conf file.... http://pastebin.com/V8pyhcJC |
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| 15:24.31 | Moult | keith4: yes, i have seen that |
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| 15:24.40 | keith4 | you could change phpmyadmin to be owned by non-root, or override min_uid |
| 15:24.49 | keith4 | or install your own phpmyadmin, not in /usr/share |
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| 15:26.18 | stew | arosen: what are you going to do about upgrades, for security updates, for instance? |
| 15:26.22 | Moult | keith4: good idea, so chowning phpmyadmin to another user and removing that rule in suphp.conf should fix it eh? |
| 15:26.28 | kooll | arosen: on a connected debian machine, install apt-doc, then read /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/offline.text.gz (for the exact things needed for such a mirror). But I think it should be mostly ok, yes |
| 15:26.38 | stew | arosen: is this going to be used internally? or are you making thsese packages availalbe to others? |
| 15:26.58 | kooll | stew: pxe boot install on an internet-less network |
| 15:27.02 | keith4 | Moult: yes, or just use both suphp and normal php mod |
| 15:27.07 | kooll | so, internal use :) |
| 15:27.24 | arosen | stew: internally |
| 15:27.25 | Moult | keith4: do you actually know _why_ we can't run normal phpmod and suphp at the same time? |
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| 15:27.37 | keith4 | Moult: you can |
| 15:27.42 | thewanderer1 | hi, I have a problem with microphone |
| 15:27.46 | Moult | keith4: ok, why it's recommended against? |
| 15:28.01 | Moult | this is taken from the suphp site: Please note, that running mod_suphp and mod_php concurrently can be VERY DANGEROUS* and should be avoided |
| 15:28.15 | Moult | capitals and encosed in ** is not something i ignore lightly :) |
| 15:28.15 | keith4 | Moult: ask #httpd or ##php |
| 15:28.39 | keith4 | right, because if you screw up the conf, it will break apache. or be a security problem |
| 15:28.49 | thewanderer1 | I have an intel hda sound device and a microphone connected to it, but no sound is recorded |
| 15:29.18 | Moult | keith4: because i did a little research and apparently it's due to both of the handling the "same" mimetype, that is xhttpd-php, however, with the changes in that bugfix, it's no longer xhttpd-php but now it's xhttpd-suphp - so now they should be well differentiated and - if i guess correctly - should have no security implications of running concurrently |
| 15:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | stew: In spite of the upgrade fever common here, an unconnected network isn't really at desperate risk and doesn't need up-to-the-second updates. |
| 15:30.01 | stew | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 15:30.57 | jhutchins_lt | stew: He could potentially repeat the process if he feels the need to update the systems. |
| 15:31.24 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why would he if he doesn't need to upgrade? |
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| 15:32.26 | arosen | Anyone know how to automatically generate a release file for a repo? |
| 15:32.43 | danboid | Failed to fetch http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtcore4_4.6.3-1+b1_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
| 15:33.07 | danboid | is the error i get trying to upgrade testing |
| 15:33.20 | stew | judd: versions libqtcore4 |
| 15:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: Should be in one of the factoids or web pages dpkg told you about. |
| 15:33.21 | judd | Package libqtcore4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-1+b1; sid: 4:4.6.3-3; experimental: 4:4.7.0~rc1-1 |
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| 15:33.40 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: /msg dpkg mirror if you need 'em again. |
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| 15:33.50 | stew | arosen: use reprepro or apt-ftparchive |
| 15:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | danboid: Did you update recently? |
| 15:34.31 | danboid | I updated just before doing a dist-upgrade |
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| 15:35.15 | stew | daedhel: its not 404 for me |
| 15:35.24 | daedhel | wat |
| 15:35.30 | stew | danboid: ^^ |
| 15:35.33 | danboid | Tried updating again and doing another dist-upgrade and plain upgrade with no dice |
| 15:35.33 | stew | daedhel: sorry, not you |
| 15:35.55 | stew | danboid: but that mirror has lots of ip addreses, so perhaps they aren't synced internally. try a different mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:36.00 | keith4 | try another mirror? |
| 15:37.36 | Moult | keith4: when chowning phpmyadmin to another user >min_uid and a2dismod php5, i get SoftException in Application.cpp:221: File "/usr/share/phpmyadmin/index.php" is not in document root of Vhost |
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| 15:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | danboid: Yeah, probably corrupted at the mirror, you'll need to either wait for an update or try another mirror. |
| 15:39.22 | keith4 | Moult: right. you'll need to move it, make another vhost, or mangle suphp's conf. see http://www.suphp.org/Documentation.html |
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| 15:40.42 | arosen | Hmm this is the release file that it built but my node still doesn't like it. http://pastebin.com/baL0QDYN (Any ideas? ) |
| 15:40.51 | arosen | I used apt-ftparchive release . > Release |
| 15:40.52 | arosen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.13 | alkii | is the OpenJDK jre basically the exact same as the Sun jre minus the few rather unimportant lacking proprietary features? |
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| 15:41.47 | Moult | keith4: i tried making a vhost with /usr/share/phpmyadmin as the docroot, but now the error says "not within configured docroot". didn't know there was somewhere else to configure a docroot? |
| 15:42.00 | stew | alkii: it has some important parts reimplemented, afaik |
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| 15:43.06 | Moult | keith4: turns out suphp sets its own docroot too |
| 15:43.21 | keith4 | Moult: yes, it does. it's in mods-enabled/suphp.conf |
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| 15:44.08 | Moult | keith4: actually it's in /etc/suphp/suphp.conf |
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| 15:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | Does anyone know of a program to monitor ISP connectivity/uptime? |
| 15:45.39 | jhutchins_lt | For diagnosing your connection? |
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| 15:47.53 | xuser | cacti? |
| 15:47.57 | Moult | keith4: awesome, editing the docroot by suphp fixes it :) yay! now i can run suphp on all my webapps nicely :) |
| 15:48.29 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: smokeping? |
| 15:48.38 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: nagios? |
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| 15:51.06 | danboid | yes switching mirrors has fixed my apt woes- shudda thunk it. thanks! |
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| 15:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Nagios is to coarse. |
| 15:52.07 | jhutchins_lt | I'm always getting emails from nagios about outages that don't show up in trends. |
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| 15:53.08 | danboid | might the new release get 'squeeze'd out this year? |
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| 15:53.17 | crono- | hopefully |
| 15:53.20 | stew | danboid: might |
| 15:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | I had something that kept a monitor heartbeat and then went to intensive mode if it missed a packet. |
| 15:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | We have 2.5 months left! |
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| 15:57.53 | keith4 | the squeeze "release information" page ( http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ ) links to several CGIs on bugs.qa.debian.org, which doesn't seem to exist...? |
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| 15:58.43 | stew | keith4: report it to lists.debian.org/debian-release |
| 15:59.08 | stew | keith4: hmm, or perhaps l.d.o/debian-www, i'm not sure who maintains that page |
| 15:59.44 | stew | they both have irc channels on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:00.27 | alkii | if I use tar -J, does that also tar the file or just .xz it? |
| 16:00.37 | keith4 | try the tar manpage |
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| 16:02.24 | keith4 | stew: will do. do you know which channels they are? |
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| 16:11.11 | stew | keith4: #debian-release and #debian-www |
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| 16:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: The tar manpage is a bit opaque. |
| 16:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: j specifies that the output should be compressed with bzip2 |
| 16:14.39 | alkii | jhutchins_lt: -J, not -j |
| 16:14.44 | alkii | -J is xz2 |
| 16:14.46 | alkii | *xz |
| 16:15.31 | jhutchins_lt | Not in my manpage, but fine, still applies, it's a modifier. |
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| 16:27.22 | runa | heyas. tired of my server swapping even if it had free memory (3gb of cached) and swappiness=0 I went further and "swapoff -a". now, things look better but |
| 16:27.47 | runa | atop shows some 'PAG scan' activity from time to time, and I see CPU sys % spiking... any hints? |
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| 16:29.41 | humbolt | how can I check which colordepth I am in_ |
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| 16:30.37 | cahoot | xpdyinfo might tell |
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| 16:39.59 | armetiz | Hi there, |
| 16:40.04 | armetiz | Do you know a solution to put static file into RAM to be cached ? |
| 16:40.10 | armetiz | Like APC do with PHP OPcode ? |
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| 16:44.53 | runa | armetiz: put it in /dev/shm/ |
| 16:45.05 | runa | or mount your own tmpfs |
| 16:45.15 | sile | oops :_ |
| 16:45.18 | armetiz | okay |
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| 16:45.45 | armetiz | I understand that a FileSystem based on RAM could be a solution |
| 16:46.45 | runa | armetiz: tmpfs |
| 16:46.57 | armetiz | okay |
| 16:47.05 | armetiz | thanks, I'll look for that tomorow |
| 16:47.10 | armetiz | I'm bookmarking it |
| 16:47.52 | abrotman | armetiz: the OS already does that |
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| 16:49.39 | jhutchins_lt | Man, smokeping's docs are terrible. Hundreds of references to the "Targets" section of the docs, which therefore can't be searched for. |
| 16:49.53 | jhutchins_lt | Or can't be found by searching. |
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| 16:51.18 | osfd | Hi there. wanna do something like that: find ./ -name '*.txt' -exec sed -i "s|é|\\'e|g" '{}' \; but I can't get the '\' character to appear in my dest file... you have any ideas ? |
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| 16:53.16 | runa | abrotman: heyas. any hints about my 'cpu sys' spikes? or swap page scanning activity when there's no swap? |
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| 16:54.55 | osfd | got itM find ./ -name '*.txt' -exec sed -i "s|é|\\\'e|g" '{}' \; I have to put three of them... |
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| 16:56.50 | NativeAngels | hello im tryin to install debian on an old dell laptop via netinstall its askin for wep key but our network uses wpa keys |
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| 16:57.44 | NativeAngels | how do i set it up so it uses a wpa key |
| 16:57.49 | jhutchins_lt | NativeAngels: Use a wired connection for the install then configure the wifi later. |
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| 16:58.57 | NativeAngels | no other way round it |
| 16:59.02 | NativeAngels | ? |
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| 17:03.29 | TJCRI | how do I remove aptitude from trying to connect to a cdrom? i am on a lan connection now but it keeps asking me to insert dvd disc 1 |
| 17:03.43 | jhutchins_lt | NativeAngels: Might be another way, but that one's easy. |
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| 17:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | TJCRI: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment the CD/DVD entries, make sure you have network entries, update. |
| 17:04.50 | TJCRI | thanks jhutchins |
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| 17:05.38 | TJCRI | actually can you give me a network entry? I dont think I have any |
| 17:05.42 | TJCRI | for sources.list |
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| 17:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, I have a server_limit of 128 but 131 processes. |
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| 17:08.43 | stew | TJCRI: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 17:09.01 | osfd | I can't get this to work : find ./ -name '*.txt' -exec sed -i "s|è|\\\`e|g" '{}' \; |
| 17:09.08 | osfd | can you plese healp me |
| 17:09.17 | TJCRI | thanks stew |
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| 17:10.41 | humbolt | sudo xdpyinfo tells me: #screen0, depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32; does that mean currently I am running on 24bit? |
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| 17:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | osfd: I see a single " in your example, that's not likely to work. |
| 17:11.02 | TJCRI | k so I did aptitude update and it read the various packages but never asked me if I wanted to update? shouldnt it confirm? |
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| 17:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, wait, there's the other one, sorry. |
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| 17:11.32 | osfd | jhutchins_lt: that's ok... |
| 17:11.57 | stew | osfd: you either want sed "s|è|\\\\\`e|g" or sed 's|è|\\\`e|g' |
| 17:12.14 | TJCRI | ok I got the update manager to work now that I have the sources.list with a network location |
| 17:12.24 | osfd | stew: 5 times '\' !!!!!! |
| 17:12.32 | stew | osfd: err, the second one could have only 2 instead of 3 |
| 17:12.51 | somiaj | TJCRI: update and upgrade are different -- update just updates your package list to the current packages on the server, upgrade will ask you to confirm because that will actually install new packages. |
| 17:12.57 | stew | osfd: yes, with double quotes, your shell gets first crack at them, and reduces the first 4 to two, then sed reduces those two to one |
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| 17:13.20 | stew | osfd: with single quotes, the shell ignores it all, so using two gives you the two that sed wants |
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| 17:13.29 | stew | sed 's|è|\\`e|g' |
| 17:13.42 | TJCRI | somiaj: thanks for the information. I am just used to yum update for red hat based systems and how it always asked me if I really wanted to download and update a package |
| 17:14.10 | osfd | stew: oh yes, that works in this case... I actually used this one due to \'e ... |
| 17:14.42 | somiaj | TJCRI: you should also read the man page and note the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 17:15.57 | TJCRI | will do thanks |
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| 17:22.33 | alkii | how is testing vs unstable currently? |
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| 17:24.31 | lio_013 | which is the testing debian Squeez or lenny?? comp[lete new to debian world |
| 17:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | alkii: Testing is a release candidate. unstable is a staging area. |
| 17:24.52 | somiaj | lenny is stable, squeeze is testing at the moment |
| 17:24.56 | alkii | lio_013: squeeze |
| 17:25.18 | lio_013 | so this iso is a good start for me ,i am a kde fan |
| 17:25.22 | lio_013 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.32 | somiaj | if you haven't used debian before, start with debian stable |
| 17:25.40 | somiaj | testing can be very broken if you get a bad build |
| 17:25.43 | lio_013 | it use kde 3.5 :( |
| 17:25.49 | alkii | jhutchins_lt: I know what the point is, I more asked how big the differences are at this very point in time, especially with squeeze being frozen and thus I guess all new stuff going into unstable only, aaaaaaand |
| 17:25.52 | lio_013 | im not new to linux |
| 17:26.12 | lio_013 | can i use kde4 on the stable branch |
| 17:26.22 | somiaj | lio_013: still best learn the debian tools with a system that is stable and really works well together -- /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:26.29 | jhutchins_lt | lio_013: if you haven't used _Debian_ before you should start with stable/lenny. |
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| 17:26.44 | somiaj | lio_013: you can either make your own backport, or look for one that is already been made -- kde is popular enough there might be one already |
| 17:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | lio_013: Once you learn how to get what you want in lenny, you will have the debian-specific knowledge to participate in testing. |
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| 17:29.03 | ukine | where does debian store the domain name? because /etc/hostname is only the hostname right? |
| 17:29.21 | somiaj | domian name for what? |
| 17:29.30 | TJCRI | ok network people out there... is my wireless device shows up in lspci does that mean I should be able to get it to work? because when i go to network I dont see anything about connecting via wireless |
| 17:29.48 | Bushmills | TJCRI, not necessarily. |
| 17:29.57 | somiaj | TJCRI: lspci or lshw will show all devices even if they do not have a module loaded for it |
| 17:29.57 | ukine | somiaj, the local zone? |
| 17:29.59 | Bushmills | you still need software supporting it |
| 17:30.13 | abrotman | Moo |
| 17:30.19 | somiaj | ukine: in what sense? each network will configure the domain name it uses slightly different |
| 17:30.22 | abrotman | ukine: /etc/mailname |
| 17:30.30 | pallgone | TJCRI: does "iwconfig" list the device? |
| 17:30.36 | TJCRI | ok cause I have an Atheros AR5B93 device and I see there are some Atheros devices supported |
| 17:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | TJCRI: Usually if it identifies the actual card there is a driver for it. If it just has the pci id it's still possible but you'll have to build the module yourself. |
| 17:30.55 | TJCRI | pallgone: no |
| 17:30.56 | somiaj | TJCRI: you can check dmesg and see if a module has been loaded for it (chances are it has) |
| 17:30.59 | ukine | abrotman, ty |
| 17:31.06 | abrotman | !mailname |
| 17:31.10 | abrotman | or not |
| 17:31.12 | pallgone | TJCRI: and "ifconfig -a"? |
| 17:31.18 | Bushmills | ath5k should do |
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| 17:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | !tell TJCRI about atheros |
| 17:31.49 | TJCRI | well lspci identifies this: "03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc Device 002a (rev 01)" |
| 17:31.50 | pallgone | probably also some firmware missing |
| 17:31.53 | ukine | abrotman, thinking it was somewhere else too? |
| 17:32.02 | TJCRI | pallgone: no |
| 17:32.06 | abrotman | no ... |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | just that i thought the bot knew more that it did ... i've educated it a bit now :) |
| 17:32.18 | ukine | ok |
| 17:32.24 | TJCRI | Bushmills - ok I am looking at the debian wiki about ath5k now |
| 17:32.38 | TJCRI | debian WiFi wii |
| 17:32.39 | TJCRI | wiki |
| 17:32.55 | pallgone | TJCRI: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 17:33.46 | TJCRI | so my kernel on lenny is 2.6.26.2 which according to wiki.debian.org/ath5k says it should be supported |
| 17:33.57 | TJCRI | pallgone: nothing |
| 17:35.28 | pallgone | TJCRI: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 17:36.44 | jelly-home | TJCRI: what about lspci -nn ? |
| 17:36.48 | TJCRI | yeah ath5k didnt work... modprobe ath5k gave me nothing |
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| 17:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | TJCRI: modprobe typically has no response. |
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| 17:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | TJCRI: It's not usually a manual command, so no output. |
| 17:37.47 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.50 | TJCRI | jelly-home: lspci -nn gave me same response as lspci - it shows up[ |
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| 17:38.12 | pallgone | ath9k supports device 002A which is yours |
| 17:38.15 | jelly-home | TJCRI: I'd like the pci-id numbers, please |
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| 17:38.30 | junaa | hi |
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| 17:38.44 | TJCRI | oh well thats good? but I followed directions on ath5k and it didnt show up in the iwconfig |
| 17:39.08 | jelly-home | TJCRI: a bot here can say which driver to use for a particular pci-id |
| 17:39.15 | junaa | Is there a unique id or someting for each user account? |
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| 17:39.32 | Bushmills | yes, there is |
| 17:39.38 | jelly-home | junaa: yes, the username and uid are supposed to be unique |
| 17:39.43 | TJCRI | ok I just did the kernel update for ath9k |
| 17:39.46 | skinder | i've updated from debian lenny to sid and cyrillic in X-server stopped working |
| 17:39.50 | TJCRI | rebooting now |
| 17:39.54 | skinder | what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:40.02 | rvsjoen | using sid ? :) |
| 17:40.09 | jelly-home | skinder: you're using sid and not expecting breakage |
| 17:40.11 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 17:40.12 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:40.15 | skinder | ._. |
| 17:40.26 | junaa | jelly-home: thank you but uid can be changed, i am seeking a non-change-able |
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| 17:40.29 | skinder | okaaay. |
| 17:40.45 | jelly-home | junaa: everything can be changed by root |
| 17:41.23 | junaa | so you say there is no hashed unique id or? |
| 17:41.25 | Bushmills | a user can't change his uid |
| 17:41.30 | jelly-home | junaa: uid cannot be changed by the user themsleves. |
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| 17:41.41 | junaa | i need to hash it myself right? |
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| 17:41.52 | jelly-home | junaa: what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:42.06 | jelly-home | !goal |
| 17:42.06 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 17:42.10 | tjadog | jelly-home: lspci -nn: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002a] (rev 01) |
| 17:42.19 | jelly-home | ,pciid 168c:002a |
| 17:42.21 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 17:42.38 | junaa | i've coded a small program, but i need it to work only in the machine i personally set up |
| 17:42.52 | jelly-home | tjadog: so you'll need an updated kernel, like the one from lenny-backports and the ath9k driver |
| 17:42.54 | tjadog | ok my kernel is now updated to: Linux adog1 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Sep 18 19:03:14 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:42.55 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:43.15 | Bushmills | junaa, make yourself owner of the program. allow execution permission to owner only |
| 17:43.15 | tjadog | jelly-home: just did it ;) |
| 17:43.17 | junaa | so after i install it for the user, it can't be run in the others |
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| 17:43.45 | ukine | abrotman, is there a command i need after editing /etc/mailname to keep that file that way? |
| 17:43.46 | junaa | Bushmills: thank you but i am just a user in that machine |
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| 17:44.15 | Bushmills | you still can change permissions of the files you own |
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| 17:44.19 | ukine | because it reverted to the old one. but editing /etc/hostname took |
| 17:44.30 | abrotman | ukine: when did it change it back? |
| 17:44.59 | junaa | yeah but root can cp the files and make it work under the other accounts |
| 17:45.04 | jelly-home | junaa: commercial apps use usb dongles |
| 17:45.15 | ukine | i reset it and am rebooting, will tell you in a sec |
| 17:45.19 | tjadog | well la di dah: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any |
| 17:45.21 | tjadog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.23 | tjadog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.25 | tjadog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.25 | jelly-home | junaa: if you can't trust root, don't put your data/software on the machine |
| 17:45.26 | tjadog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.42 | tjadog | cool so I guess now I just need to set up the wireless access |
| 17:45.42 | Bushmills | junaa, to counter paranoia, keep the program only on machines you alone have access to |
| 17:45.51 | junaa | jelly-home: yeah, exatcly but i have no choice whatsoever |
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| 17:46.33 | jelly-home | junaa: then you can play obscurity, hardcode paths and uid checks, obfuscate code, but all of that can be worked around |
| 17:46.49 | junaa | de sho ^^ |
| 17:46.53 | RichiH | !tell tjadog about paste |
| 17:46.55 | ukine | abrotman, it stuck on reboot but it may change back, i think that's what happened last time |
| 17:46.58 | ukine | weird |
| 17:47.00 | Bushmills | keep a gpg encrypted version somewhere else. decrypt it temporarily to RAM for execution |
| 17:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose he could hardcode a hashed password into it, then make sure he removes the source code. |
| 17:47.52 | tjadog | how do I configure the wireless now? I am going to System -> Network but nothing shows up |
| 17:48.07 | tjadog | oops System -> Administration -> Network |
| 17:48.15 | tjadog | using gnome |
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| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | junaa: this isn't really a proper channel to ask about copy-protection schemes... Debian ships and support software that's freely reusable and has source available |
| 17:48.35 | junaa | jhutchins_lt: yeah i am doing so but with the strings cmd everything be can seen right ^^ |
| 17:48.38 | rvsjoen | install the gnome network manager |
| 17:48.40 | rvsjoen | or wicd |
| 17:49.01 | tjadog | is that the Network Manager editor? |
| 17:49.29 | rvsjoen | might be, I don't remember, I had issues with the latest network manager, kept disconnecting me from my wireless, so I switched to wicd |
| 17:49.30 | jhutchins_lt | tjadog: The network manager is useful if the system moves around from network to network. |
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| 17:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | tjadog: If it's static, just configure it in /etc/network/interefaces and remove the network-manager package and applets. |
| 17:49.55 | tjadog | well yeah Its a laptop so I will be moving around |
| 17:49.58 | junaa | i think getting te hardware spesifications and hash them via md5 or sha1 then compare with the hard-coded one would do the trick ^^ |
| 17:50.08 | Ward| | what is the best way to get a program launching when a specific key is released? |
| 17:50.17 | Ward| | i can see the key i want to use with showkey |
| 17:50.31 | tjadog | ok so wicd is a good program? does it auto find wireless access points? |
| 17:50.40 | tjadog | like if I went to the subway down the street or panera? |
| 17:50.55 | Bushmills | junaa, unless someone (root?) traces the program, and patches the branch after hash comparison |
| 17:51.26 | junaa | Bushmills: yeah you're right |
| 17:51.28 | humbolt | is there any xorg.conf on stable, or is everything done automatically now? |
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| 17:51.36 | jelly-home | junaa: nothing that a simple jump can't fix |
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| 17:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | tjadog: I use knetworkmanager. wicd has issues in squeeze. |
| 17:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | tjadog: No knowledge of the gnome manager. |
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| 17:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: Depends on the system. Many run without a conf, some need one. |
| 17:52.44 | rvsjoen | both gnome-manager and knetwork manager are just frontend to NetworkManager daemon I think ? |
| 17:53.20 | humbolt | jhutchins_lt: I have an intel graphicscard |
| 17:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: You should be good with no conf then, unless you have odd input devices. |
| 17:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: Be aware that there are problems with some intel chipsets in squeeze. |
| 17:54.15 | jhutchins_lt | Which reminds me, I need to do some testing on that today. |
| 17:54.18 | salvin | rvsjoen: network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde |
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| 17:54.38 | humbolt | jhutchins_lt: the thing is, my laptop display does not seem to run with full color depth. |
| 17:54.50 | humbolt | jhutchins_lt: so I want to set this by hand |
| 17:54.53 | salvin | rvsjoen: commands: nm-applet and knetworkmanager |
| 17:54.58 | rvsjoen | sure |
| 17:55.07 | rvsjoen | but they both just talk to NetworkManager, no ? |
| 17:55.14 | salvin | yes |
| 17:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: X --configure, modify the result, put it in /etc/X11 |
| 17:55.47 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: I'd see what the 'net has to say about your chipset though. |
| 17:55.54 | junaa | thank you all |
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| 17:57.27 | humbolt | jhutchins_lt: Unrecognized option: --configure |
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| 18:00.18 | cahoot | -configure |
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| 18:00.42 | tjadog | hi again!! I got it to work with wicd :) |
| 18:00.59 | tjadog | thanks to everyone for your assistance. I will definitely be using debian a LOT more now that I have wireless working so I appreciate it |
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| 18:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: Yeah, I always get that wrong with X. It's not consistent w/ linux standards, where - is for single character switches and -- is for verbose commands. |
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| 18:04.03 | stew | humbolt: what color depth is it running at? |
| 18:04.05 | giwe | Can we setup a CVS server in which each user access it through SSH but they don't have login privileges to the server? |
| 18:04.52 | stew | giwe: if you can force them to use key based auth, you can limit what commands they can use in their authorized_keys files |
| 18:05.17 | stew | giwe: or you can try rssh |
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| 18:05.43 | giwe | stew: where can I find more information about the authorized_key method? |
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| 18:07.13 | stew | giwe: prepend 'command="command"' to the authorized_keys line. "man 8 sshd" |
| 18:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | How about just noshell? |
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| 18:10.03 | giwe | jhutchins_lt: how is this supposed to work? |
| 18:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I'm not sure how cvs works, but if you set an invalid shell in passwd they can't log in to a shell. |
| 18:11.51 | humbolt | stew: what colordepth it is running at? how do I find out? |
| 18:12.30 | humbolt | stew: I just see gradients not being gradients, therefore I suspect something is wrong. |
| 18:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:12.50 | humbolt | If anybody had told me, that intel graphics suck so badly |
| 18:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt: They don't. |
| 18:13.06 | humbolt | flash is a nightmare, fullscreen is impossible |
| 18:13.19 | stew | humbolt: xcpyinfo would tell you, look for "depth of root window" |
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| 18:13.36 | stew | humbolt: what does flash have to do with intel? |
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| 18:14.06 | stew | only buys machines with intel, becuase they are more hassle free than any other chipset that I'm aware of |
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| 18:15.19 | giwe | jhutchins_lt: with nologin, cvs import say "unrecognized response This account is currently not available from cvs server |
| 18:15.33 | mordocai | Is it just me, or is debian.org down? |
| 18:15.37 | mordocai | Or really slow, actually |
| 18:15.47 | abrotman | just you |
| 18:15.50 | prgmrchris | its you |
| 18:16.19 | mordocai | strange... must be my area then. I'm connecting from two different locations with timeouts on apt-get update and slow http to debian.org as well. |
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| 18:17.01 | stew | mordocai: apt-get update would not be hitting any of the same servers |
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| 18:17.45 | mordocai | stew: well, i use servers that end in debian.org in any case. |
| 18:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai: For that matter, debian.org is often distributed, so which IP is it you're having trouble with? |
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| 18:19.39 | jhutchins_lt | giwe: Ah well. |
| 18:19.53 | stew | mordocai: what address is apt-get hitting? |
| 18:20.23 | humbolt | what does that mean? [ 14480.337] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 18:20.38 | stew | humbolt: that you are running at the maximum available color depth |
| 18:21.03 | mordocai | jhutchins_lt: stew: Hmm... it doesn't appear to be grabbing the IP from dns. Other domains are working though... you guys have an ip address for me to try to hit directly? |
| 18:21.29 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai: What's your dns server? |
| 18:21.33 | stew | mordocai: you mean your dns is broken? or what do you mean by "grabbing the ip from dns"? |
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| 18:22.29 | Ward| | what is the best way to get a program launching when a specific key is released? |
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| 18:23.14 | stew | Ward|: you could probably configure your window manager to do such a thing, or there is xbindkeys, which is a more generic solution that doesn't depend on a window manager |
| 18:23.33 | mordocai | stew: jhutchins_lt: My dns server is not available from the outside... it's my ISPs. As for what i mean, I mean dns seems to be working for everything but *.debian.org |
| 18:23.39 | Ward| | stew, there's no WM |
| 18:23.56 | Ward| | stew, this is a pda (with a broken LCD) |
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| 18:24.04 | stew | Ward|: is it running X? |
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| 18:24.58 | Ward| | stew, nope |
| 18:25.13 | Ward| | stew, it could run x butthat will eat batterypower like hell so i dont wanyt to do that |
| 18:25.33 | tecneeq | hi gents :). is there any chance squeeze gets a new kernel before the release comes out? i need a special feature for libvirt that is only in 2.6.35 |
| 18:25.36 | Ward| | i never expected this to be the hard part of what im doing :s |
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| 18:25.54 | cousin_mario | good evening |
| 18:25.55 | mordocai | Okay, some wierd issue with my ISPs dns. Added google's as well and now it is resolving. |
| 18:26.07 | Ward| | stew, i mean i CAN run x but i dont want to because that east too much power |
| 18:26.15 | cousin_mario | can you recommend a good source for gnome-themes for debian testing? |
| 18:26.21 | jhutchins_kc | !tell tecneeq about ssb |
| 18:26.58 | stew | Ward|: depending on the key, you might be able to do it in inittab |
| 18:27.35 | Ward| | stew, huh :S how? |
| 18:27.52 | tecneeq | jhutchins: thanks mate, but that doesn't exactly answers the question |
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| 18:28.22 | stew | Ward|: with kbrequest |
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| 18:28.50 | stew | Ward|: i don't know if you can use that for more than one key though. i don't know if you are trying to map multiple keys |
| 18:29.01 | Ward| | stew, yeah 2 at least |
| 18:29.17 | stew | well, you can probably map multiple keys to kbrequest, but they'd all do the smae thing |
| 18:29.26 | tecneeq | cousin_mario: there are some themes you could try: aptitude install gnome-themes gnome-themes-extras gnome-themes-more |
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| 18:31.09 | cousin_mario | tecneeq: trying |
| 18:31.55 | tecneeq | cousin_mario: good luck, i'm a kde kind of guy, so i'm not sure there is anything usefull in it |
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| 18:33.19 | babilen | tecneeq: squeeze will release with a .32 kernel -- but you can easily install a never kernel (either by backporting (i.e. ssb) or just by installing the package from sid directly (dpkg -i)) |
| 18:33.25 | cousin_mario | tecneeq: they're all installed:/ |
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| 18:34.58 | tecneeq | babilen: i see. thanks mate, i guess i have to make my own then or check backports or so. I don't need the debian patches anyways, so rolling my own should be good enough. would have been nice tho :) |
| 18:35.06 | cousin_mario | and more important, is there a way to get rid of evolution without removing the whole gnome? |
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| 18:37.06 | babilen | tecneeq: It should be easy to just install the package from sid (haven't tried that though) -- but kernel packages tend to have very few dependencies (if any) |
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| 18:37.27 | cognitiaclaeves | what is the group adm used for? |
| 18:37.43 | babilen | !tell tecneeq -about make-kpkg |
| 18:37.48 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: reading logfiles |
| 18:37.52 | babilen | tecneeq: In case you want to roll your own kernel |
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| 18:38.16 | tecneeq | babilen: i never tried anything from sid. will it get kernel-updates automatically that appear in sid? |
| 18:38.19 | cognitiaclaeves | stew: Ok, thanks. |
| 18:38.33 | tecneeq | yes, i know make-kpkg, very useful indeed |
| 18:39.00 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/harden-doc/html/securing-debian-howto/ch11.en.html#s11.1.8.1 |
| 18:39.09 | babilen | tecneeq: You won't get update if you install the package manually (i.e. with dpkg -i) |
| 18:39.56 | cognitiaclaeves | Thanks, stew. |
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| 18:40.48 | humbolt | stew: can you have a look at the two pictures in this flickr set? they show the same image once displayed on my laptop lcd panel and once on an external monitor. how would you explain the difference? http://www.flickr.com/photos/15514030@N08/sets/72157625191990138/ |
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| 18:41.39 | stew | humbolt: one looks darker |
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| 18:41.42 | tecneeq | babilen: right! thanks dude :) |
| 18:41.52 | stew | and less blue |
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| 18:42.09 | cahoot | and less striped? |
| 18:42.11 | humbolt | stew: it is not about the darker. see the lines in the gradient? |
| 18:42.29 | humbolt | cahoot: right, the freaking stripes should not be there! |
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| 18:45.00 | Robinux | heya guys, can i get firefox on debian?... and yes, i read about iceweasel, but i don't fully get the whole thing, there was a trademark fight? over the term "Firefox" or something |
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| 18:45.23 | babilen | !tell Robinux -about why iceweasel |
| 18:45.53 | prgmrchris | foxfire |
| 18:46.12 | kdasdasf | hi, this is not a debian specific question, but i need your technical assistence nevertheless: when i copy a file from one pc over the network to another, the network speed reaches at max 1.2mib/sec |
| 18:46.24 | kdasdasf | but both pcs say, they are connected with fast ethernet |
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| 18:46.33 | prgmrchris | kdasdasf: protocol? |
| 18:46.39 | kdasdasf | the disk on both pcs are much faster (even copying on the same partition) |
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| 18:46.54 | kdasdasf | prgmrchris, cat+ssh and cat+nc both have the same speed |
| 18:47.13 | runa | stew: remember my problem the other day? machine with a lot of cached memory and still swapping? well, I disabled swap; it works better but I have suden spikes of sys CPU and top shows kswap0 is doing a lot of work (which makes no sense since there's no swap!) any hints? |
| 18:47.14 | kdasdasf | only if i do nc in udp mode the sender says he sends 10mib/sec |
| 18:47.24 | Xat` | Somebody can help me please for ProFTPd configuration : http://pastebin.com/YZWkMjsS |
| 18:47.29 | kdasdasf | but the receiver only receives about 1/10 of the content |
| 18:47.52 | Robinux | iceweasel is old! |
| 18:48.11 | kdasdasf | my guess is, that something inbetween the two pcs is broken, but i don't know how to debug it |
| 18:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, "Mind blowing news -- The Firefox logo, the very reason why Iceweasel exists, is now free as in speech. Its use is still limited by trademarks, but it is free." |
| 18:48.34 | Vasistha | I was previously using the apt repo at apt.wicd.net for lenny. Now it is gone, and I see wicd is in backports, so I set that up. I see the version there is 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1 whereas I have 1.6.2.2-1 installed. However `aptitude -t lenny-backports install wicd` indicates that doing so would DOWNGRADE the package. ??? |
| 18:48.35 | kdasdasf | both are connected to a different fast ethernet switches which then are interconnected to each other |
| 18:48.48 | tecneeq | CutMeOwnThroat: if it's free, why is it's use still limited as you say? |
| 18:48.56 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: The packaging in Debian hasn't changed though AFAICS :-\ |
| 18:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | because this is NEW! |
| 18:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | NEW(S) |
| 18:49.23 | babilen | hails our new(s) overlord |
| 18:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | kdasdasf: What about scp? |
| 18:49.36 | tecneeq | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, so by ,,it's limited'' you means it's now free? |
| 18:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | kdasdasf: or rsync. |
| 18:49.45 | kdasdasf | jhutchins_lt, same as ssh :/ |
| 18:49.50 | kdasdasf | didn't try rsync |
| 18:49.50 | jelly-home | Vasistha: indeed. 1~stuff is a version number lessor than 1 |
| 18:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and how should I know - I just gave that factoid a look because I (tried to) explained the whole thing in length recently... when I could just quoted the factoid... and clicked the blog given therein |
| 18:50.14 | jhutchins_lt | kdasdasf: I would guess it's a bad switch. |
| 18:50.15 | kdasdasf | i think it might have to do something with tcp settings |
| 18:50.16 | babilen | Robinux: It is not old. Which version do you want? |
| 18:50.20 | kdasdasf | because nc in udp does work |
| 18:50.20 | Vasistha | jelly-home: ahha, thank you; certainly answers that. |
| 18:50.24 | kdasdasf | at least on the sender site |
| 18:50.32 | kdasdasf | the receiver doesn't get everything :-( |
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| 18:51.00 | kdasdasf | jhutchins_lt, hm so the best thing to debug it would be to interconnect the two pcs directly? |
| 18:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecneeq, I don't know, I just read this... go to the webpage and read it yourself and you know as much as I do |
| 18:51.19 | jelly-home | Vasistha: useful for those rc5 or beta1 things in upstream versions |
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| 18:51.51 | tecneeq | CutMeOwnThroat: will do, thanks for the heads up anyways |
| 18:52.05 | Vasistha | jelly-home: do you suppose it's wise to do the "downgrade" so as to be more in the official backports line, or will it likely make no difference at all? |
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| 18:53.19 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I'd install the one form backports and see if it works. you could also use the apt-get install wicd=1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1 syntax |
| 18:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecneeq, doesn't look like they made a big fuss about it anyway... like... you know... telling someone... I'm just reading the blog comments with slight bafflement |
| 18:53.38 | jelly-home | form? from |
| 18:53.51 | Vasistha | jelly-home: did I mention I already have 1.6.2.2-1 installed and working? |
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| 18:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tecneeq, and if that means that branding can/will revoke in Debian will emerge with time... one thing is pretty much sure though, it will not happen for squeeze |
| 18:54.47 | jelly-home | Vasistha: you sure did. |
| 18:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Have you heard the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? |
| 18:55.59 | v_V | hi, anyone tried the wm ' awesome' ? |
| 18:56.02 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that's why I thought the advice was strange; at the same time, I'm in favor of security upgrade ease, and if I have the choice to break something now (when I am thinking about it and have time to fix it) vs. break it later (when I don't/ain't) then I'll choose now |
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| 18:56.33 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't really change anything, because of the trademark issues |
| 18:56.51 | Robinux | babilen whats the latest version of it! cuz that's what i want haha |
| 18:57.07 | Robinux | but the one i have is 3.06, well maybe because i have lenny? |
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| 18:58.08 | babilen | Robinux: You can install a newer (3.5) version from backports -- "/msg dpkg bpo" |
| 18:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe, maybe not - seems things can change that have been viewed as pretty much fixed :) |
| 18:58.26 | Robinux | alright mate thanks a dozen |
| 18:59.36 | babilen | Robinux: Just follow the instructions on the backports site (don't forget the one on updates) and have fun |
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| 19:00.30 | Robinux | thanks :D |
| 19:00.30 | Robinux | sure will |
| 19:00.42 | pumazi | How do I get the tarball filename from within a debian/rules file? Or is this something I must hard-code into the debian/rules file? |
| 19:03.13 | babilen | pumazi: You might want to take that discussion to #debian-mentors over at OFTC |
| 19:03.28 | pumazi | babilen: Thanks |
| 19:03.39 | babilen | !tell pumazi about mentors |
| 19:03.40 | arosen | Hello, i've been installing debian using the netinstaller. Is there anyway to install it just using 1 install cd like ubuntu does? |
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| 19:04.24 | arosen | I just want to get a minimal innstall going |
| 19:04.49 | babilen | arosen: Yes, use the netinstall (as you did) -- If you want to install additional software (like a DE) you can choose from a variety of CD1 flavours (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, …) or DVD1 |
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| 19:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that what he described he did anyway? |
| 19:05.32 | arosen | babilen: the problem with the net install cd, is that it prompts me for a mirror and i can't get passed that since i don't have an internet connection |
| 19:05.43 | arosen | I can install all the packages i need later so that isn't a problem |
| 19:06.19 | babilen | arosen: Just install the base system then -- You *might* have to choose the expert system to skip the mirror selection though (no idea really, try it) |
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| 19:08.08 | babilen | s/expert system/expert installation/ |
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| 19:15.14 | arosen | babilen: even in the expert installer it doesn't seem like you can skip that |
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| 19:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can be passed, even without expert mode... |
| 19:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure of this, because I couldn't get networking to work on the installer and passed it |
| 19:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | this might have been the installer on the kmuto CD, though... dunno how much that might differ |
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| 19:20.07 | babilen | Well, no idea either … should be possible though :-\ |
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| 19:23.28 | jjohnson | anyone know what when i have eth0 set as static in /etc/network/interfaces eth0 is assigned a dhcp address after letting it sit overnight? |
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| 19:25.02 | briann | have you tried clearing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and rebooting ? |
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| 19:25.27 | xuser | jjohnson: are you using network-manager? |
| 19:25.52 | jjohnson | i manually set it in cli using the config files |
| 19:26.16 | xuser | but do you have NM active? |
| 19:26.54 | jjohnson | dont even think it exists, (server no gui installed) |
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| 19:28.22 | abrotman | jjohnson: did you look in the server logs? |
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| 19:29.08 | jjohnson | i do see the link go down and then come back up |
| 19:30.01 | jjohnson | but from the log times it appears thats when i restarted the network interfaces myself this morning, then there are no logs after that in dmesg |
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| 19:31.03 | jjohnson | wait it looks like dhclient was still running after that |
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| 19:33.19 | peterS | protip: when you've got a working DVD drive in your laptop, but the one in your desktop is broken, and want to watch a DVD on your desktop ... nbd-client + nbd-server are a whole lot easier to set up than vlc streaming. Just saying. |
| 19:33.22 | jjohnson | well time to reboot and see what happens |
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| 19:35.10 | peterS | also, the nbd route seems to be faster and more reliable, and doesn't require the laptop to do much work. |
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| 19:38.21 | ska | We're creating a small project with debian, but we need to control the packages. Its is sensible to create our own repository? |
| 19:38.42 | Robinux | how do you check memory usage |
| 19:38.43 | Robinux | "top"? |
| 19:38.51 | peterS | Robinux: yeah or 'free' |
| 19:38.52 | jelly-home | peterS: what, no nfs or whatever file-based sharing? |
| 19:39.24 | Robinux | i see |
| 19:39.25 | peterS | jelly-home: nfs is harder to set up than nbd-server + nbd-client, actually. the latter you just run one unprivileged 'nbd-server' command on one end and one privileged 'nbd-client' on the other end |
| 19:39.57 | jelly-home | peterS: it has an added bonus in that I know how to setit up, in advance |
| 19:39.58 | peterS | no editing /etc/exports or nothin' |
| 19:40.12 | jelly-home | also, sshfs (but needless cpu usage) |
| 19:40.27 | peterS | jelly-home: I hadn't used nbd in literally over a decade, yet it took about 5 minutes of manpage reading to get it working on the first try |
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| 19:41.04 | peterS | jelly-home: also, media players like block devices better than mounted directories. not all media players know that VIDEO_TS/ means you start parsing menus and stuff |
| 19:41.14 | peterS | whereas dvd:///dev/nbd0 just works |
| 19:41.19 | Robinux | thanks peterS |
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| 19:41.42 | jelly-home | wonders whether to try nbd instead of two-esata-cables-to-laptop-because-arm4-nas-too-slow |
| 19:42.37 | peterS | jelly-home: heh. dunno. in general, if you can do something at the filesystem level it's better than at the block device level. this is something I heard from Val Henson a long time ago and it made a lot of sense. (she does know a teensy bit about filesystems.) |
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| 19:43.10 | jelly-home | better than, or just better? |
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| 19:43.36 | peterS | well, as she put it, the world was mostly moving away from iscsi and toward NASes. and this is for a reason. |
| 19:44.00 | peterS | errr, whatever you call NASes that use NFS and CIFS instead of iSCSI |
| 19:44.20 | jelly-home | the NAS had too crappy performance for nfs. But then I'd used it to rsync millions of files |
| 19:44.20 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 19:44.31 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 19:44.41 | peterS | I have to say, I like the simplicity of nbd. abstracting the block device seems so much simpler than abstracting the filesystem |
| 19:44.43 | jelly-home | and rsync, bless its little algos, treats nfs mounts as local |
| 19:44.47 | peterS | hey, abortman |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | waves vigorously at peterS :) |
| 19:45.22 | jelly-home | peterS: she just wants all of us to buy NetApp! |
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| 19:46.36 | peterS | well, anyway. just sayin', exporting my DVD drive over nbd turned out to be not only very easy, but also perfectly fast. Fast enough to watch a DVD with no noticeable problems. I did use 100mbit ethernet instead of 802.11g, though. I should try it with 802.11g, see if that does packets reliably enough for the same effect. |
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| 19:48.10 | jelly-home | I has gigeth... tho said NAS can only iperf about 180Mbps out of it :-| |
| 19:49.10 | peterS | I has gigeth on the laptop and desktop, but not on the switch (: |
| 19:49.14 | jelly-home | still that's more than enough if it's reliable, and means I can put it somewhere I can't hear the 3.5" disks making noise |
| 19:49.37 | jelly-home | bought a 5port switch for $30 or so for that purpose |
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| 19:50.03 | peterS | yeah I'm thinking of replacing at least one of my switches with gigabit. but I don't know if I'd actually notice the difference, for the stuff I do. |
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| 19:50.34 | simonrvn | hey peterS |
| 19:50.38 | peterS | hey simonrvn |
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| 19:50.48 | jelly-home | I only notice it copying large files to and fro, it's more of an annoyance than a real need |
| 19:51.37 | ixti | Hello everyone. Explain me, please, somebody what the difference (in few words) between ispell and aspell... |
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| 19:52.44 | peterS | jelly-home: I don't have a dedicated fileserver. thinking of buying/building one now. when or if I do, that'll be a good time to make sure I can use it at gigabit speed. |
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| 19:53.44 | robokop | ixti: apt-cache show {i,a}spell |
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| 19:54.51 | ixti | robokop: I saw it but didn't got real difference |
| 19:55.05 | ixti | Is it only in "i" = interactive |
| 19:55.16 | dbldtx_ | !qotd0 |
| 19:55.17 | dpkg | <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
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| 19:56.59 | mutante | put "potato" in your sources.list ? |
| 19:57.17 | Tekk_ | is there a package or mirror with a package for openfwwf? |
| 19:57.23 | Tekk_ | in squeeze |
| 19:57.30 | robokop | no, aspell is designed to be a replacement of the good old ispell, and has a better suggesting algorithm |
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| 19:58.14 | robokop | ^ @ ixti |
| 19:58.36 | guisf | hi guys, I just stupidly overwriten a file, I had 'gui.py' and 'program.py', and runned `mv gui.py program.py`, now I want to recover 'program.py' ... anyone know how I can do it? |
| 19:59.02 | robokop | guisf: go to your backups |
| 19:59.18 | abrotman | Tekk_: is it on the website? |
| 19:59.27 | guisf | robokop: if I had backups, i wasn't here :) ... I dont have it |
| 20:00.10 | Tekk_ | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 20:00.14 | robokop | guisf: what filesystem do you use? |
| 20:00.23 | guisf | reiserfs |
| 20:00.31 | abrotman | Tekk_: packages.debian.org/openfwwf |
| 20:01.16 | ixti | robokop: thank you a lot! |
| 20:01.27 | Tekk_ | nope, I loooked and it's being packaged |
| 20:01.37 | Tekk_ | and has been for about 2 years now -.- |
| 20:02.00 | mutante | guisf: maybe this helps a bit: 1) umount 2) debugfs 3) lsdel ... http://www.ehow.com/how_2064953_recover-deleted-files-linux.html |
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| 20:02.54 | abrotman | Tekk_: did you file an RFP ? |
| 20:02.59 | guisf | mutante: I saw that instructions, I was just wondering if maybe someone here knows an easier way... its only a single file, with known name ... and I just deleted it right now |
| 20:03.13 | Tekk_ | abrotman: no |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | Tekk_: http://bugs.debian.org/513974 |
| 20:03.28 | Tekk_ | abrotman: I *literally* just installed |
| 20:03.31 | guisf | if there isn't an easier solution I will try that |
| 20:03.43 | Tekk_ | abrotman: maybe I should see if I can build the package./. |
| 20:04.07 | mutante | guisf: saw that one yet? http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/ReiserFS_File_Undelete_HOWTO |
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| 20:04.57 | guisf | mutante: I will see it, I hope I don't have to unmount, because the partition is encrypted, maybe this is a problem |
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| 20:07.22 | mutante | guisf: good luck, but yes, the encryption probably makes it hard.. if all else fails you can at least do something to avoid it from happening again with: alias mv="mv -i" in .bashrc |
| 20:08.18 | guisf | mutante: yes, I think its easier to write the code again, but thanks for the help |
| 20:08.25 | robokop | mutante: or even mv='mv -n' |
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| 20:09.17 | guisf | robokop: i dont have -n option in man page, what is it for? |
| 20:10.06 | robokop | at my place it says do not overwrite an existing file |
| 20:10.33 | guisf | robokop: ok, its -i for me |
| 20:10.46 | guisf | thanks guys, i will see what i can do |
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| 20:23.57 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a significant performance difference between amd64 and i686 bigmem for a 4g system? |
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| 20:25.56 | robokop | jhutchins: depends on if you will use the advantage of 64 bit calculations |
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| 20:28.26 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 20:28.45 | kristian-aalborg | I'm wondering if there is a way that I can choose to start without GUI at startup |
| 20:29.21 | kristian-aalborg | a permanent entry that I can choose somewhere... I'd prefer grub, but that seems impossible |
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| 20:29.54 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 20:29.54 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26m 32s ago, saying: 'Tekk_: http://bugs.debian.org/513974'. |
| 20:30.04 | robokop | kristian-aalborg: /etc/inittab |
| 20:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: Just a webserver, probably not |
| 20:30.36 | jelly-home | tarzeau: he's just out |
| 20:30.38 | Nappz | What's the cleanest way to update PHP5-CGI 5.2.6 to 5.3.x? |
| 20:30.42 | Nappz | (On Debian Lenny) |
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| 20:30.47 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that's fine, i wanted to show him my guitar |
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| 20:30.58 | tarzeau | anyone here doing photography/dtp stuff, with a flickr account? |
| 20:32.01 | kristian-aalborg | tarzeau: indeed |
| 20:32.17 | kristian-aalborg | there is sometimes help to get in #flickr |
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| 20:33.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell kristian-aalborg -about nox |
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| 20:34.40 | tarzeau | kristian-aalborg: oh good idea, thanks |
| 20:35.09 | tarzeau | kristian-aalborg: can i see your flickr photos? mine are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/46588163@N02/ |
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| 20:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php5-common |
| 20:35.36 | judd | Package php5-common on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-2; squeeze: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1 |
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| 20:36.28 | kristian-aalborg | tarzeau: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristiannordestgaard/ |
| 20:37.07 | NativeAngels | can anyone tell me to setup the netinstall with a wpa key |
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| 20:37.41 | tarzeau | kristian-aalborg: thanks, i was in denmark this summer :) romo :) |
| 20:38.06 | kristian-aalborg | Rømø is nice |
| 20:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions sed |
| 20:38.14 | judd | Package sed on i386 -- etch: 4.1.5-1; lenny: 4.1.5-6; sid: 4.2.1-7; squeeze: 4.2.1-7 |
| 20:38.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell NativeAngels about wpa |
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| 20:38.45 | kristian-aalborg | !tell kristian-aalborg -about nox |
| 20:38.46 | mutante | oh, great news via email "This is to inform you that you have won 500,000.00 USD and two (2) Dell |
| 20:38.49 | mutante | laptops from the Microsoft online promotion held 20th August 2010." |
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| 20:39.31 | Nappz | What's the cleanest way to update PHP5-CGI 5.2.6 to 5.3.x? (On lenny) |
| 20:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nappz, at least php5-common only depends on sed (>= 4.1.1-1), libc6 (>= 2.4) ... both of which are in that version in lenny |
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| 20:42.04 | xuser | ,versions php5-cgi |
| 20:42.05 | judd | Package php5-cgi on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-2; squeeze: 5.3.2-2; experimental: 5.3.3-1 |
| 20:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's quite a bit different for php5-cgi, though |
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| 20:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | which among other things needs a newer libc6... this way misery lays |
| 20:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Nappz -about ssb |
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| 20:45.50 | Nappz | Thanks... |
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| 20:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can exchange sid against testing in those instructions... and backporting can range from simple to naught-impossible depending on the amounts of (build-/) dependencies you also have to backport |
| 20:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | famous examples I gave up on... e.g. miro 3 from squeeze to lenny |
| 20:47.24 | Nappz | I see. |
| 20:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | also the newer ekiga... |
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| 20:48.08 | kristian-aalborg | robokop: could you expand a bit? |
| 20:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I perhaps just wasn't persistant enough... |
| 20:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | kristian-aalborg, did you read the factoid from dpkg? |
| 20:48.35 | kristian-aalborg | yes |
| 20:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that covers pretty much everything |
| 20:49.33 | kristian-aalborg | I'd like to have this option when I start debian: "would you like a gui or cli interface?" |
| 20:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how would it ask you this... on a gui or a cli interface |
| 20:50.17 | kristian-aalborg | I don't know |
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| 20:50.33 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: there should be a question for that |
| 20:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | right! |
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| 20:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | kristian-aalborg, you can always start X from the console with startx... you need to allow it to console users first, though, run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and select "Console Users Only" for that |
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| 20:57.25 | Onepamopa | anyone alive ? |
| 20:57.30 | Onepamopa | http://pastebin.com/A6gybMty |
| 20:59.12 | stew | Onepamopa: does "aptitude search '~i~nmdns'" return results? |
| 20:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | he means the last one at 53251... |
| 20:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that isn't listening |
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| 20:59.40 | Onepamopa | root@lineage2:/etc/modprobe.d# aptitude search '~i~nmdns' |
| 20:59.40 | Onepamopa | i A libnss-mdns - NSS module for Multicast DNS name resolution |
| 20:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or he means the mdns one |
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| 20:59.58 | Onepamopa | CutMeOwnThroat actually, I mean the last one, UDP, and the ipv6 one .... |
| 21:00.09 | Onepamopa | I have no idea what is opening that port |
| 21:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the last one is probably just outgoing dns? |
| 21:00.22 | stew | Onepamopa: wait, which exact part are you talking about? |
| 21:00.38 | Onepamopa | stew: I want to disable ipv6 completely |
| 21:00.51 | Onepamopa | and I have no idea what this UDP port is, what opens it etc |
| 21:01.00 | Onepamopa | I have 2 servers 1:1 hardware & OS |
| 21:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Onepamopa about noipv6 |
| 21:01.04 | stew | Onepamopa: its mdns, "apt-cache show libnss-mdns" |
| 21:01.05 | Onepamopa | I only have this @ the 1st |
| 21:01.43 | jelly-home | EVIL mdns |
| 21:01.45 | deepy | I need a wrapper, something that just calls "telinit 0" |
| 21:02.03 | stew | Onepamopa: iis libnss-mdns installed on the other? |
| 21:02.08 | stew | Onepamopa: why do you want to disable ipv6? |
| 21:02.28 | Onepamopa | stew no, and I didnt install it @ the 1st too |
| 21:02.51 | Onepamopa | stew cause @ the moment, I have 2 servers that start listening only @ ipv6 addr |
| 21:02.51 | stew | Onepamopa: the A in that line means it was installed to satisfy the dependencies of somehting else you installed |
| 21:03.24 | stew | Onepamopa: what is an example of something that is listening only to an ipv6 address? |
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| 21:03.29 | Onepamopa | w8 a sec |
| 21:03.47 | stew | Onepamopa: are you ona cellphone? |
| 21:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | stew: For some reason the apt tools sometimes go all ipv6. |
| 21:04.03 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what command are you running that is giving you a problem? |
| 21:04.04 | Onepamopa | Login Server ready on 80.95.28.28:2106 |
| 21:04.06 | Onepamopa | and now .... |
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| 21:04.19 | Onepamopa | tcp6 0 0 80.95.28.227%31609:4115 [::]:* LISTEN |
| 21:04.25 | Onepamopa | tcp6 0 0 [::]:2106 [::]:* LISTEN |
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| 21:04.54 | stew | Onepamopa: that is listening to ipv4. i can "telnet 80.95.28.227 2106" and get a connecction |
| 21:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I don't have the problem, but we see it here fairly regularly. |
| 21:05.13 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what problem? |
| 21:05.22 | stew | jhutchins_lt: who is having a problem with apt? |
| 21:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | stew: For some reason the apt tools sometimes go all ipv6. |
| 21:05.28 | Onepamopa | stew the problem is.... that @ the other server it shows normally like tcp ip:port |
| 21:05.32 | Onepamopa | and @ this - tcp6 |
| 21:05.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: uhh, why are you telling me? |
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| 21:05.39 | Onepamopa | and noone can connect to this port via ipv4 ip |
| 21:05.45 | stew | Onepamopa: i can |
| 21:05.55 | Onepamopa | stew well... I cant, and I'm @ the same network as the server |
| 21:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | stew: One of the many reasons to disable the useless cruft. |
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| 21:06.06 | stew | jhutchins_lt: who is having a problem with apt? |
| 21:06.15 | jhutchins_lt | Onepamopa: Did you get a message from dpkg about disabling ipv6? |
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| 21:06.27 | Onepamopa | jhutchins_lt no ? |
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| 21:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | stew: No-one I know of at this time. |
| 21:06.42 | stew | ? |
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| 21:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 21:06.44 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:06.58 | Onepamopa | jhutchins_lt to be honest, the servers are both running ubuntu, but those guys @ ubuntu dont seem to know what's going on... in fact - they dont answer at all |
| 21:07.05 | stew | Onepamopa: wrong channel |
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| 21:07.09 | Onepamopa | I know man ,..... |
| 21:07.10 | Onepamopa | what can I do .. |
| 21:07.20 | Onepamopa | NOONE there seems to be even little interested in this problem |
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| 21:07.25 | stew | Onepamopa: you can stop talking to us about it |
| 21:07.32 | Onepamopa | yes, I know ;) |
| 21:07.36 | jhutchins_lt | Onepamopa: In that case go ahead and run the commands suggested here. You will be presented with an opportunity for a clean install. Choose debian and we'll actually be able to help you. |
| 21:07.37 | stew | Onepamopa: try a web forum, perhaps askubuntu.com |
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| 21:07.58 | jhutchins_lt | Onepamopa: Networking is one of the ways ubuntu is different from debian, our solutions will very likely break your system. |
| 21:08.01 | Onepamopa | jhutchins_lt yes, Im using debian @ other servers |
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| 21:08.04 | Onepamopa | ;) |
| 21:08.08 | Onepamopa | they dont have problems |
| 21:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | Kinda like American mechanics who insist on using inch-gage tools on metric cars. It might kind of work once or twice. |
| 21:09.14 | Onepamopa | jhutchins_lt at least here I always get an answer |
| 21:09.20 | Onepamopa | those guys @ ubuntu dont care at all :) |
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| 21:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | Onepamopa: Ask the ubuntu bot about ipv6, it might help. Otherwise google disable ipv6 ubuntu. |
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| 21:16.12 | DotHack | anyone experience setting up racoon? |
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| 21:16.37 | DotHack | i can ony connect once, when i then disconnect and want to reconnect again i first have to restart racoon |
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| 21:17.37 | Onepamopa | DotHack nice ;) |
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| 21:17.44 | Onepamopa | u restarted it, half the servers went down :) |
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| 21:19.47 | DotHack | better half the servers down than me not connected :D |
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| 21:21.01 | IceD^ | hey guys - can u explain me how debian maintainers managed to fsck it up so big - debian stable, apt-get install ruby-full (why it got emacs, xterm and tcl/tk in recommended deps btw), gem install not working at all (totally broken), apt-get install libsequel-ruby libmysql-ruby and it's segfaulting on parsing data returned from mysql. manual gem install - the same. make install ruby (true debian way) - works like a charm. also - it works out of the box in centos, |
| 21:21.01 | IceD^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.48 | IceD^ | and why you call that "stable" |
| 21:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you checked the bts and found the problem there |
| 21:22.34 | IceD^ | bts? |
| 21:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 21:22.44 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:23.06 | gravity | IceD^: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=566 |
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| 21:24.31 | malled | iop |
| 21:24.36 | IceD^ | I don't care, really, I only wish they'll close that project and write "don't use this crap anymore" on debain homepage, so I'll not be required to work with this buggy sht anymore (all offense ment) |
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| 21:24.59 | IceD^ | every time I need to do smth with debian - I'm encountering some debian-only issues |
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| 21:25.30 | IceD^ | another collegue reported the same problem with sqlite bindings - segfault - so definitely ruby is broken in debian |
| 21:25.31 | peterrooney | IceD^: funny, every time I've had to work with gentoo, i've encountered gentoo-only issues too. |
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| 21:26.09 | IceD^ | peterrooney, name one (and one you are not able to solve with gentoo tools, not make install) |
| 21:26.09 | peterrooney | IceD^: is there a question you wanted to ask? |
| 21:26.19 | jelly-home | IceD^: ruby has quite some issues at present yes, but this irc channel isn't the best venue to report them |
| 21:26.32 | gravity | IceD^: Ruby and Debian have a pretty fundamental culture clash, as Lucas explains in that blog entry. He also explains that people who care could do a lot of good if they contributed to the work of supporting and backporting new ruby stuff for Debian. |
| 21:26.33 | IceD^ | peterrooney, yes - how they managed to broke it so bad? |
| 21:27.08 | gravity | IceD^: So if you want it to work, maybe you could provide some expertise and some muscle to contribute back and help make the system the one you'd love to use? |
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| 21:27.12 | peterrooney | IceD^: I suspect that that is far outside the scope of this channel |
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| 21:28.19 | IceD^ | ok - I got some time to spend for fun - tell me how to fix it in debian without make install ruby |
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| 21:28.37 | gravity | I don't know the answer to that. |
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| 21:30.00 | medusaXX | hi |
| 21:30.15 | IceD^ | and one more funny thing - every time I work with debian server - I'm finding 1-2 makeinstalled packages there - no exceptions |
| 21:30.35 | medusaXX | i have a capi card in my pc and i recently activated udev |
| 21:30.38 | gravity | IceD^: That's ok. No one says they shouldn't be there. |
| 21:30.49 | medusaXX | afterwards, i've got a capi20 device but no single devices |
| 21:30.51 | gravity | IceD^: Debian explicitly leaves /usr/local totally open for the admin to do that. |
| 21:31.00 | gravity | IceD^: People have different needs, after all. |
| 21:31.01 | medusaXX | what can i do to 'debug' this problem? |
| 21:31.11 | medusaXX | how can i find out why udev does not show the device |
| 21:31.25 | IceD^ | gravity, it's not debian - it's common FHS req |
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| 21:32.27 | peterrooney | IceD^: sounds like you've got a rogue sysadmin in your org. Also, aptitude install ruby-full works just fine on my box, so you might have to provide more details than that you're running debian stable. |
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| 21:33.10 | IceD^ | peterrooney, install sequel and mysql gems and try to get data from mysql |
| 21:33.25 | IceD^ | installing ruby-full worked for me - but it segfaults on parsing data |
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| 21:35.11 | IceD^ | and it's not my org - random severs, set up by random guys during last 10 years |
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| 21:36.45 | gravity | Amazingly, this is why backports and volatile exist now. |
| 21:38.20 | stew | i would imagine they are only pseudorandom guys, not truly random :) |
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| 21:38.41 | gravity | hehe |
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| 21:49.01 | k1ng__ | someone please recommend me a movie... |
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| 21:49.28 | kristian-aalborg | I cat'd the wrong file and now my box speaks klingon - what to do? |
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| 21:49.42 | rvsjoen | learn klingon |
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| 21:49.54 | Xat` | please help me, i've a problem with my proftpd.conf file |
| 21:49.57 | kristian-aalborg | thanks :P |
| 21:49.59 | Xat` | http://pastebin.com/YZWkMjsS |
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| 21:50.29 | cirwin | hello? |
| 21:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | k1ng__, Toy Story of course... |
| 21:50.32 | IceD^ | k1ng__, "survive style 5+", original lang with subtitles ;] |
| 21:51.41 | rvsjoen | xat`: it helps if you say what the problem is |
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| 21:52.38 | Xat` | rvsjoen > connexion failed |
| 21:52.46 | Xat` | impossible for my client to connect |
| 21:53.00 | rvsjoen | is it even running ? |
| 21:53.10 | Xat` | yes |
| 21:53.44 | rvsjoen | and listening on port 21 ? firewall ? |
| 21:53.58 | Xat` | no firewall |
| 21:54.22 | Xat` | Port option is missing |
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| 21:54.37 | Xat` | .. non |
| 21:55.18 | Xat` | 500 Sorry, no server available to handle request on ::ffff:192.168.65.128 |
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| 21:56.38 | cirwin | the latest update to testing broke my graphics, neither of the fglrx one-liners from dpkg seem to help though |
| 21:56.47 | cirwin | where should I look next? |
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| 21:57.06 | cirwin | I get floating point exceptions when the X server tries to boot |
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| 21:57.21 | saac | cirwin: maybe xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 21:57.44 | cirwin | I have that package, do I need to prod it? |
| 21:58.06 | saac | You need Driver "radeon" on /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:58.19 | saac | modprobe radeon |
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| 21:58.37 | rvsjoen | assuming you want radeon and not fglrx of course |
| 21:58.53 | cirwin | anything that works suits me fine |
| 21:58.58 | gravity | Presumably you need to get rid of fglrx to make sure you've got the Xorg GLX |
| 21:59.14 | gravity | Somehow I doubt they've given up that one |
| 21:59.25 | cirwin | and it looks like the radeon does work afterall |
| 21:59.26 | cirwin | I wonder why I went with fglrx last time |
| 21:59.26 | cirwin | thank you very much |
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| 22:05.23 | NotInternat | howdy has anyone in here setup active directory authentication using winbind? im tyring to work out if i actually need the smb/nmb services running if all i want is authentication via winbind. |
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| 22:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirw.. |
| 22:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh werl |
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| 22:09.35 | high-rez | Any of you have a good guide for creating a usb-stick that one can install from? |
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| 22:11.12 | high-rez | Hmm looks like I should just be able to dd |
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| 22:12.12 | high-rez | Nm, thats too easy ;) |
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| 22:17.44 | rvsjoen | dpkg: usb install |
| 22:17.44 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 22:32.40 | extnct | hi, does anyone know how to install debian off a usb drive? i loaded the installer but it seems to not let me proceed because my system doesn't have a cd-rom |
| 22:32.57 | babilen | !usb install |
| 22:32.57 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:33.31 | extnct | !install debian |
| 22:33.31 | babilen | extnct: Just follow "the easy method" in the installation guide (which is a good read if you want to install Debian anyway) |
| 22:33.31 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 22:37.54 | babilen | extnct: Also note that you have to *copy*/*move* the iso file to the (mounted) usb drive (as opposed to dd'ing it) |
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| 22:38.44 | stew | babilen: unless he was dding a iso directly to a usb, which i've heard sometimes works |
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| 22:40.06 | babilen | stew: Hmm, I heard a bunch of people complaining that the d-i was unable to find the "cdrom" in that case. |
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| 22:40.20 | stew | i dunno |
| 22:40.26 | phox | so uh, what's the currently-recommended thing for modifying runlevel contents? |
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| 22:41.56 | dondelelcaro | phox: update-rc.d, or you can just use ln, rm, and mv. |
| 22:41.57 | extnct | thx i got it working with the usb image |
| 22:42.04 | babilen | phox: Looking for something like update-rc.d, rcconf or sysv-rc-conf? |
| 22:42.05 | extnct | i didnt know netinst had a usb and a cd version |
| 22:42.32 | phox | babilen: I have been using sysv-rc-conf. new install, so I figured I'd ask if I was still doing the current, proscribed thing. |
| 22:44.18 | babilen | phox: It's just symlinks and filenames anyway -- update-rc.d is the de-facto tool for managing this, but rcconf and sysv-rc-conf provide a nicer (?) interface |
| 22:44.23 | phox | babilen: I know it is |
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| 22:44.39 | phox | babilen: sometimes there's a little bit of distro-specific bookkeeping that's nice to keep in order so other tools don't have a fit |
| 22:44.52 | phox | on a related note, what's up with it not showing something that's in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 22:45.17 | phox | actually I might be wrong on that. |
| 22:45.24 | babilen | Could you elaborate on that? |
| 22:45.35 | phox | yes. I'm on glue, disregard :) |
| 22:45.46 | babilen | ok :-D |
| 22:45.57 | phox | always the easiest explanation for a given problem. |
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| 23:09.28 | bing | hi folks. i'm trying to document the free software subculture by collecting 1 minute videos of free software developers desktops while they're programming. |
| 23:09.49 | bing | is anybody interested in donating a video? |
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| 23:10.16 | ksx4system | I can't login to SSH installer of Debian on MIPS architecture (Cobalt Raq machine) |
| 23:10.56 | ksx4system | it displays user, IP and password but it doesn't work... there's a strange key on Cobalt's screen but I don't know how to use it |
| 23:11.10 | ksx4system | any idea how to get it working? |
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| 23:14.41 | yuuppo | hello all, how do i change my keyboard layout in terminal as well as in X (permanently), but not change the locales? |
| 23:15.47 | metalfoo | loadkeys? |
| 23:16.07 | metalfoo | Also your desktop environment might have a switch for that |
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| 23:16.44 | yuuppo | i change my "desktop environments" a lot, i'd prefere some config file for that |
| 23:17.09 | yuuppo | of course loadkeys works for terminal and setxkbmap for X, but how to do it permanently? |
| 23:17.39 | yuuppo | shell script which is run every time i boot/starx - not the proper way, i suppose |
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| 23:17.57 | metalfoo | No, but X has an automated start file too. |
| 23:18.09 | metalfoo | Look for .xsessionrc |
| 23:19.49 | yuuppo | no such file by default, just a 40x11-common_xsessionrc in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 23:20.32 | metalfoo | http://www.knoppix.net/forum/threads/28595-Create-.xsessionrc-for-quick-session-changes |
| 23:21.05 | metalfoo | Well, not actually Debian, but same holds for Debian |
| 23:22.09 | yuuppo | with #!/bin/bash shebang or without? |
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| 23:23.07 | karsten-nr | Is there a thinkpad-specific channel? |
| 23:23.12 | metalfoo | I think it is sourced, so it doesn't matter. |
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| 23:23.46 | metalfoo | karsten-nr: more or less |
| 23:23.50 | karsten-nr | Otherwise: trying to configure dual-head on a T410s. I can size the display but not see it. Mini docking port witha DVI -> miniDVI adapter to an Apple monitor. |
| 23:24.04 | karsten-nr | metalfoo: ?? |
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| 23:25.38 | metalfoo | karsten-nr: There is ##ibmthinkpad |
| 23:25.55 | karsten-nr | Danke. |
| 23:27.32 | yuuppo | just adding setxkbmap lang to .xsessionrc does not work |
| 23:30.43 | metalfoo | You placed it in $HOME/.xsessionrc? |
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| 23:33.24 | skrewla | i don't understand http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . the language is weird. i'm assuming it's just giving an example for mutt. will the entry in preferences at the very bottom automatically prioritize backports? |
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| 23:34.44 | extnct | anyone know how to i can grub to install on the hard drive? |
| 23:35.07 | themill | skrewla: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 23:35.29 | extnct | i installed off a usb disk, when i reboot i get a blank screen, i think its looking for grub on the removeable disk |
| 23:36.29 | skrewla | heh. so there's a rogue backports site out there? |
| 23:36.40 | ksx4system | ok, I'm asking again (it's not possible to get reply here without asking few times): Debian installer on my Cobalt Raq (MIPS one) displays username (installer), password (few chars), and looooooooong key |
| 23:36.48 | themill | skrewla: no, the service has moved, as they announce on their front pate |
| 23:36.51 | themill | page |
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| 23:56.50 | daedhel | craigevil: in fact, I have no idea how to downgrade |
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| 23:59.00 | karsten-nr | !downgrade |
| 23:59.01 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:59.18 | craigevil | daedhel: i used Synaptic, make sure you have testing repo in sources.list, Reload, Package> Force version |
