| 00:00.06 | miasma | linuxman410: so the installer fails to find a kernel or the first boot to the freshly installed system fails? |
| 00:00.16 | karlpinc | arcloop: Boot in single user mode and see if you can get console. |
| 00:00.26 | jordanm | arcloop: boot into single user mode, run update-rc.d remove gdm -f |
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| 00:00.47 | arcloop | how do i boot into single user mode? |
| 00:00.54 | linuxman410 | it fails to find kernel says not found on floppy install |
| 00:00.57 | jordanm | arcloop: reboot and you should now get a shell |
| 00:00.57 | arcloop | nvm, i'll google |
| 00:01.16 | jordanm | arcloop: select it from the grub menu |
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| 00:01.26 | arcloop | k |
| 00:01.27 | Knorrie | arcloop: add single to the kernel-line in grub |
| 00:01.28 | miasma | linuxman410: perhaps the installer wasn't tested well enough? i wouldn't be surprised. haven't used a floppy drive in 10 years |
| 00:01.35 | arcloop | thx |
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| 00:04.36 | linuxman410 | it must not have been tested but midsums checked ouit ok |
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| 00:05.41 | arcloop | i understand that this will prevent x from attempting to run, but what will this do to fix the framebuffer vterms not working? |
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| 00:06.24 | linuxman410 | miasma are you in us |
| 00:06.49 | arcloop | i booted into single user mode, black screen and no signal detected on vterms |
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| 00:08.11 | sirtophat | how can I find my "public SSH key"? |
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| 00:09.04 | Knorrie | sirtophat: do you know you have one? |
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| 00:09.18 | sirtophat | not at all, but something I'm signing up for wants it |
| 00:09.29 | sirtophat | my server is running an SSH server |
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| 00:10.30 | Knorrie | then your server has a private and public key, (see asymmetric encryption) but that's not the same as your *own* ssh key |
| 00:11.29 | sirtophat | I just need to send them my public SSH key. |
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| 00:11.41 | Knorrie | you can create a private/public keypair where the private part is only known to yourselves and the public part can be sent to anyone |
| 00:12.15 | nitrogoldfish | sirtophat: did you try ssh-keygen? |
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| 00:13.19 | sirtophat | seems good enough. |
| 00:13.23 | nitrogoldfish | that'll prompt you for a location to save the key, give the server the .pub file |
| 00:13.31 | nitrogoldfish | don't let anybody ever see the other file |
| 00:13.36 | nitrogoldfish | (it's your private key) |
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| 00:15.10 | miasma | linuxman410: nope |
| 00:15.10 | Knorrie | the same keypair can be used for multiple logins, it's no problem to have your public key placed on any box you have to login to, just keep the private key secret |
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| 00:16.02 | linuxman410 | oh well guess i will put 5 dollar laptop in recycling |
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| 00:18.28 | linuxman410 | wonder why they did not include kernel in the new floppies |
| 00:19.03 | streuner | i doubt that |
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| 00:19.24 | streuner | you need a kernel and a few apps to install, in order to run Linux... |
| 00:20.19 | streuner | but, you need about 1 GB RAM to run modern Linux OS's without headaches |
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| 00:20.47 | linuxman410 | the floppies images say 2010 but do not include the kernel |
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| 00:21.31 | Xat` | hi! |
| 00:21.35 | linuxman410 | i have run debian lenny on 400 mhz computer no problems at all |
| 00:21.47 | Xat` | how to rescue grub without cd ? |
| 00:21.57 | streuner | sounds to me rather like a nightmare |
| 00:22.23 | streuner | or you just use an old kernel without X |
| 00:23.18 | Knorrie | first time /me installed debian was using bf2.4 on a 486-DX2 with 4MB ram |
| 00:23.24 | streuner | surely you can use that, but it doesnt make lots of fun |
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| 00:23.47 | streuner | must before woody :-) |
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| 00:23.55 | streuner | !woody |
| 00:23.55 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 00:24.21 | streuner | argh, that was surely a DX 8086 :-) |
| 00:24.24 | lumaki | um... is this the appropriate chan for development questions? |
| 00:24.28 | stew | i thought bf24 needed 12mb ram |
| 00:24.56 | Knorrie | or perhaps it was 16MB, or less with a lot of swap |
| 00:25.04 | streuner | hm, boot-floppies 2.4, i doubt that would run on 4 MB too |
| 00:25.10 | linuxman410 | i installed on the old machines and use openbox window manager |
| 00:25.10 | stew | http://www.debian.org/releases/3.0/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html#s2.3 |
| 00:25.26 | miasma | linuxman410: the modern 2.6 kernel is bigger than a 1.44 MB floppy if you don't cut off most of the features |
| 00:25.27 | stew | lumaki: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is probably better |
| 00:25.33 | lumaki | stew: thanks |
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| 00:25.52 | streuner | Knorrie: i installed that on a 0.99 linux kernel.. :-P |
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| 00:26.18 | streuner | Knorrie: and that was in 93 or such ... |
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| 00:26.19 | miasma | linuxman410: i've used a modern linux on a PII/233. can't really say it's fast. the machine had 512 MB of ram, though |
| 00:27.25 | streuner | Knorrie: maybe you have a Deja Vu, but on a 486 DX, you arent able to use a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:27.38 | nitrogoldfish | i'm running lenny on a small VM with 64MB ram. serves up a light traffic apache server fairly well |
| 00:28.23 | miasma | streuner: why not |
| 00:28.51 | streuner | miasma: it make only fun if you have enough RAM |
| 00:29.02 | linuxman410 | i guess i will try to find another laptop cause the 150mhz is not going to work |
| 00:29.10 | miasma | sure, but that doesn't mean it won't boot =) |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | streuner: yes, you are .. i have one with a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:29.17 | Knorrie | streuner: the only thing i remember is waiting a lot |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | streuner: i think you mean an SX ? |
| 00:29.37 | streuner | abrotman: nah, 8MB DX |
| 00:29.43 | miasma | linuxman410: the 150 mhz isn't the problem. most likely the other pieces of hardware are (slow graphics chip, not much RAM, no cd) |
| 00:29.55 | streuner | abrotman: and it was 0.99 |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | streuner: i have a 486 DX/2 66 running Debian with a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:30.27 | nitrogoldfish | linuxman410: what are your specs? |
| 00:30.30 | streuner | abrotman: really? |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:30.36 | streuner | omg |
| 00:30.39 | linuxman410 | it has been the first thing i could not load linux on |
| 00:31.10 | streuner | abrotman: what you are doing with this machine at all? |
| 00:31.12 | linuxman410 | it is a pentium 150 and 8 megs of ram |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | streuner: currently, not a darn thing .. |
| 00:31.38 | miasma | linuxman410: and the hard disk is < 1 GB ? |
| 00:31.50 | linuxman410 | yes |
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| 00:32.08 | abrotman | streuner: just a proof of concept or something :) |
| 00:32.19 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:32.39 | miasma | linuxman410: I think the basic debian system needs about 400-500 MB of space. if you don't have the expertise to manually install/configure stuff, that laptop is going to be a mess |
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| 00:33.53 | linuxman410 | well if i had a copy of the 4.0 floppies that had the kernel i could get it running |
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| 00:38.29 | streuner | dpkg etch floppies |
| 00:38.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch floppies is http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ -- substitute your architecture for "i386". |
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| 00:38.57 | streuner | Have fun! |
| 00:39.23 | linuxman410 | those are the ones that say kernel missing i have those |
| 00:39.26 | Enverex | Does anyone know if there is a support channel for SGFXI? |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | XI the sound server? |
| 00:40.03 | streuner | linuxman410: its impossible, you need a kernel in every way... |
| 00:40.25 | streuner | otherwise they arent install floppies |
| 00:40.29 | Penquinx | lol floppies |
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| 00:40.50 | streuner | without a kernel you are able to do nothing! |
| 00:40.55 | linuxman410 | yeah i know but the floppies say kernel not found when i try to install with them |
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| 00:41.14 | streuner | thats rather a config error |
| 00:41.14 | Enverex | SGXFI is the graphics card driver installation and setup script |
| 00:41.34 | streuner | but the kernel itself is on the bootfloppies |
| 00:41.57 | streuner | otherwise you shoudnt call it "boot..." |
| 00:41.57 | miasma | linuxman410: so does the first floppy even boot? |
| 00:42.03 | linuxman410 | but when you try to install it says its not |
| 00:42.43 | streuner | well, that sounds to me, that you missed the first of it |
| 00:42.45 | linuxman410 | the first floppy boots and then i insert root floppy and then network drivers |
| 00:44.02 | streuner | linuxman410: besides all of that, what do you want to do with this laptop at all? |
| 00:44.16 | streuner | should that run as a router or what? |
| 00:44.23 | linuxman410 | nothing yet no os on it |
| 00:44.42 | streuner | What was before on that laptop? |
| 00:44.51 | streuner | surely not Linux |
| 00:44.57 | linuxman410 | windows 95 |
| 00:45.12 | streuner | hm, and what do you plan to use it for? |
| 00:45.34 | linuxman410 | just to play around with |
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| 00:46.43 | linuxman410 | i hate to throw any computer away i like to reusae for something if i can |
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| 00:47.51 | linuxman410 | if i could install a commandline os that would be fine |
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| 00:51.35 | miasma | linuxman410: i tried the installer link given above in a virtual machine. it even failed to load kernel drivers. i probably didn't have skills to do that.. |
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| 00:51.49 | miasma | the ones available online (lenny) were incomptible |
| 00:52.15 | linuxman410 | thaty was my problem |
| 00:52.23 | miasma | try some other installer then? |
| 00:53.26 | miasma | well you gave the impression that the system installed just fine and when booting, the kernel failed to load |
| 00:53.33 | miasma | but that wasn't the case |
| 00:53.59 | miasma | maybe the mirrors just don't provide those drivers anymore |
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| 00:58.24 | karlpinc | linuxman410: The problem probably is that etch is off the mirrors and on archive.kernel.org. |
| 00:59.09 | karlpinc | linuxman410: Will it pxeboot? |
| 01:00.00 | linuxman410 | no it will not pxeboot |
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| 01:05.06 | karlpinc | linuxman410: So stick in a pcmcia card that will. |
| 01:05.32 | linuxman410 | it has a pcmcia card |
| 01:05.58 | karlpinc | linuxman410: Or go to the extreme hassle of pulling out the drive and installing with it on another box. |
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| 01:06.46 | karlpinc | linuxman410: So? |
| 01:06.55 | linuxman410 | ts there a pxeboot floppy image |
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| 01:07.31 | karlpinc | linuxman410: Pxeboot by definition pulls it's boot loader off the network. |
| 01:07.38 | karlpinc | s/'// |
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| 01:09.13 | magyarlatin | Good evening everyone |
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| 01:09.47 | linuxman410 | is there a webpage that tells how to do a pxeboot for debian |
| 01:10.15 | sweetpi | !netboot |
| 01:10.16 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
| 01:11.09 | sweetpi | less informative than I had hoped |
| 01:11.32 | sweetpi | 1 sec |
| 01:11.49 | jordanm | the instructions are in the install guide |
| 01:12.00 | jordanm | !tell linuxman410 about install guide |
| 01:12.28 | sweetpi | linuxman410: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html |
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| 01:40.53 | dudasss | hola a todos |
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| 01:42.33 | vot | hi guys do you guys have some sources for debian testing packages |
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| 01:44.13 | allan8904 | hey is it possible to get a debian installation to essentially recompile itself? |
| 01:44.53 | iluminator101 | is there fronted for steamripper in gnome |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | !tell allan8904 about apt-build |
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| 01:47.25 | abrotman | allan8904: but it's really not worth it |
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| 01:48.28 | allan8904 | abrotman: ah but is it possible to get it to apt build every installed package in the system? |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | there's a link there to follow |
| 01:48.59 | allan8904 | yeah the link was dead.... |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | oh .. link is gone |
| 01:49.12 | allan8904 | lol |
| 01:50.32 | jordanm | the orginal author dropped it a while back |
| 01:50.35 | mactimes | Hi. I have a Workstation running lenn. I installed Clonezilla to another partition with an automated recovery script and made an image from lenny in case users mess up with anything. I'm trying to set up a PXE server on a lenny server and was wondering if anyone would know how to setup the pxe config file so that I can choose which partition the system should boot. Any help is very welcome. |
| 01:50.52 | mactimes | s/lenn/lenny |
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| 01:52.09 | kmag | Any of you have experience diagnosing software raid issues? |
| 01:52.12 | mactimes | Btw, I've been reading this documentation http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 which tells me how to boot from local disk, but I can't find anything related to the partitions |
| 01:52.18 | dondelelcaro | kmag: best to just ask your question |
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| 01:54.02 | kmag | So, I have a RAID1 array, which was using /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, but the drive letter mappings changed so now the devices are /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1. Unfortunately, I missed the degraded array warning and wrote to the array containing just /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:54.09 | kmag | How do I recover? |
| 01:54.28 | kmag | It's not clear to me how to make mdadm resync |
| 01:54.38 | kmag | also, mdadm seems to think /dev/sdc1 is busy |
| 01:54.51 | man_in_ltop | ok, i have an annoying problem with cups |
| 01:55.04 | man_in_ltop | server is marked as "share printers", but laptop can't find the printer |
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| 01:55.58 | jordanm | man_in_ltop: share how, IPP? are you trying to get some kind of autodiscovery to work? |
| 01:56.13 | man_in_ltop | jordanm, ipp, i believe. whatever cups normally does |
| 01:56.18 | man_in_ltop | and autodiscovery HAS worked before |
| 01:56.31 | mactimes | kmag Can I suggest some steps to 1: avoid letters changing. Then 2: Rebuild the array? |
| 01:56.58 | kmag | mactimes: sure |
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| 01:57.46 | mactimes | kmag First, let's identify the disks. Do you know which current disk was sda and which was sdb? |
| 01:58.44 | kmag | mactimes: /dev/sdb1: device 0 in 2 device undetected raid1 /dev/.tmp.md0. Use mdadm --examine for more detail. |
| 01:58.55 | kmag | mactimes: /dev/sdc1: device 1 in 2 device undetected raid1 /dev/.tmp.md0. Use mdadm --examine for more detail. |
| 01:59.15 | mactimes | kmag OK, hold on. |
| 01:59.46 | kingsley | Are third level domain names resolved into IP addresses by asking the domain name server running at the second level domain name? For example: Is a.b.com resolved into 1.2.3.4 by the DNS at b.com? |
| 02:02.22 | kmag | mactimes: and /dev/sdb1 is the drive that has my newer data on it |
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| 02:05.44 | tharkun | Good evening i am looking for a light, fast, easy to configure http server? Simple file sharing over http on a local network, there is no need for something fancy or complex |
| 02:06.48 | kmag | Tharkun: you'll probably find the most help and most documentation if you use Apache. |
| 02:07.26 | magyarlatin | tharkun, try lighttpd |
| 02:07.30 | tharkun | kmag: apache2 is a total overkill for what i need |
| 02:07.30 | jordanm | tharkun: although apache isn't light, it sounds like it will do exactly what you want from a default install |
| 02:08.24 | jordanm | tharkun: there was something *specifically* designed for that, and I recall arguements made about putting another webserver in the archives |
| 02:08.30 | jordanm | let me see if i can fine it |
| 02:08.33 | tharkun | magyarlatin: thx i'll take a look at it |
| 02:08.46 | tharkun | jordanm: i would apreciate that |
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| 02:11.20 | mactimes | kmag Have you changed disks order in the SATA controllers? |
| 02:12.20 | kmag | mactimes: mobo died, and I didn't realize madam.conf was hard-coded w/ drives rather than set up to scan |
| 02:12.27 | jordanm | tharkun: I am not having any luck. if you want to try, I *think* it was an RFS on debian-mentors within the last year |
| 02:12.49 | tharkun | jordanm: thx |
| 02:12.55 | tharkun | I'll take a look |
| 02:13.06 | kmag | mactimes: plugged my drives into the new mobo and got things booting, and missed the "degraded array" message |
| 02:13.20 | jordanm | I also seem to recall the dpl making comments on it... |
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| 02:17.21 | mactimes | kmag Is your md device md0 yet? |
| 02:17.47 | kmag | mactimes: yes, md0 |
| 02:18.55 | mactimes | kmag "mdadm -D /dev/md0", "cat /proc/mdstat" and "fdisk -l" to a pastebin, please |
| 02:20.47 | qq- | jordanm, what say about that "sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory;shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" ? it 'smell' as a disk issue maybe |
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| 02:21.10 | mactimes | kmag http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2008-May/036050.html this should help you changing disks back to what is was before replacing your mobo |
| 02:21.16 | kmag | mactimes: still working on it... sdc1 is in md127 read-only |
| 02:22.05 | tharkun | What is the lightest version of apache2 that can be installed on squeeze? |
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| 02:22.46 | qq- | lighttpd .. |
| 02:23.01 | tharkun | qq-: :D |
| 02:23.17 | kmag | mactimes: http://pastebin.com/5dBmETVm |
| 02:23.19 | jordanm | qq-: could be a permissions issue |
| 02:23.20 | qq- | tharkun, nothing to config |
| 02:23.34 | mactimes | kmag Look, I have a better idea |
| 02:23.45 | qq- | jordanm, thanks , looking |
| 02:24.01 | mactimes | kmag Why don't you just use the UUID to mount it correctly, reboot and then we continue? Know how to do it? |
| 02:24.23 | kmag | mactimes: my fstab is UUID-based |
| 02:24.57 | qq- | tharkun, install it , put something in /var/www/ , thats all |
| 02:25.03 | kmag | mactimes: I just left mdadm.conf with its defaults, figuring they were sane |
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| 02:25.57 | mactimes | kmag Ok. So you want to go on with the md device correction or want to go and try to change the paths before correcting the md device? |
| 02:26.26 | kmag | mactimes: let's correct the md device |
| 02:26.34 | mactimes | kmag Ok |
| 02:26.43 | kmag | mactimes: I assume the first step is to stop md127 and then add sdc1 to md0, correct? |
| 02:26.45 | mactimes | kmag Hold on. I'll read your pastie. |
| 02:27.30 | mactimes | kmag Yeap. Go ahead |
| 02:27.36 | mactimes | kmag Need help to do that? |
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| 02:28.04 | kmag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.44 | mactimes | kmag mdadm /dev/md127 -r /dev/sdc1 |
| 02:29.01 | mactimes | kmag Hold on. |
| 02:29.10 | mactimes | kmag md127 is not mounted, right? |
| 02:29.42 | kmag | mactimes: for some reason, it automatically created md127. I did mdadm --stop md127 |
| 02:29.50 | kmag | mactimes: md127 has never been mounted |
| 02:30.18 | mactimes | kmag Ok, then mdadm /dev/md127 -r /dev/sdc1 |
| 02:30.50 | kmag | mactimes: mdadm: error opening /dev/md127: No such file or directory |
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| 02:31.57 | mactimes | kmag mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 02:32.40 | kmag | mactimes: I already did an --add |
| 02:32.49 | mactimes | kmag Check the status with mdadm -D /dev/md0 or cat /proc/mdstat |
| 02:32.56 | kmag | mactimes: I --add'd sdc1 to md0 |
| 02:33.09 | mactimes | kmag is it rebuilding? |
| 02:33.23 | kmag | spare rebuilding /dev/sdc1 |
| 02:33.44 | kmag | mactimes: what does it mean that sdb1 is "active sync" ? |
| 02:34.26 | mactimes | kmag Where did you read that? |
| 02:34.41 | mactimes | kmag paste me a "cat /proc/mdstat" |
| 02:35.22 | kmag | mactimes: mdadm -D /dev/md0 told me sdb1 was "active sync" |
| 02:36.00 | kmag | mactimes: 2.9% recovered, 253 minutes to go according to /proc/mdstat |
| 02:37.48 | mactimes | kmag "active sync" means it is actively synchronizing, it is not a spare/hot swapable device, I guess. |
| 02:38.44 | kmag | mactimes: and changing mdadm.conf from "DEVICE /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1" to "DEVICE partitions" should allow md0 to be properly constructed at boot time, yes? |
| 02:39.30 | mactimes | kmag The commands you entered should have done that, AFAIK. But if it didn't, I guess there is no problem on doing manually. |
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| 02:44.12 | kmag | mactimes: Thanks. The HOWTOs for software RAID that I colud find go all the way through setting up and mounting the array, with nothing about recovery |
| 02:44.26 | hmca | Kmag: my experience in ubuntu kernels tells me mdadm.conf is not read at boot time, i think the kernel reads the disks at boot and assembles the md, maybe debian kernels work otherwise |
| 02:46.11 | kmag | On a side note: do any of you know any Linux distros that use FUSE iso9660 and UDF drivers by default? |
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| 02:46.32 | abrotman | might want to ask ##linux |
| 02:47.07 | kmag | Heh... polite reminder that I'm off-topic. Thanks. |
| 02:47.54 | kmag | mactimes: well, thanks. If you're ever in NYC, I owe you a beer. |
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| 02:48.53 | abrotman | kmag: did you got to DebConf ? |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | go to |
| 02:49.23 | kmag | abrotman: no DebConf |
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| 02:50.38 | mactimes | kmag Hahaha, roger that |
| 02:51.01 | mactimes | kmag But you did it mostly by yourself. So you owe me only half a beer... hahahah |
| 02:51.41 | kmag | mactimes: the key was /proc/mdstat showing me why /dev/sdc1 was busy |
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| 02:58.34 | thepro4ever | MAN I LOVE DEBIAN SO FAR |
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| 03:07.36 | pfred1 | just joined to say Lenny rox my sox! |
| 03:13.38 | Hydroxide | woo! |
| 03:14.35 | Hydroxide | pfred1: on behalf of the whole project, yay for making users happy! :-) |
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| 03:15.07 | pfred1 | Hydroxide I consider Debian the standard all other distros should be judged against now |
| 03:15.37 | Hydroxide | pfred1: so do I, personally. how did you start using Debian? |
| 03:15.43 | Hydroxide | or, find out about us, etc? |
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| 03:16.32 | pfred1 | Hydroxide oh I've run Debian off and on since 1996 |
| 03:16.44 | pfred1 | Hydroxide more off than on but it is my distro now |
| 03:16.50 | Hydroxide | cool. longer than I have :) |
| 03:17.26 | pfred1 | Hydroxide well back in the dselect days I never stuck with it for very long but I came back to it now and again to check it out but with Lenny I'm staying |
| 03:17.43 | Hydroxide | yeah, it's improved enormously since 1996 :) |
| 03:18.24 | pfred1 | Hydroxide I've still some install CDs of it going way back when |
| 03:18.36 | Hydroxide | cool |
| 03:18.54 | xuser | pfred1: the next release has been frozen |
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| 03:19.18 | pfred1 | xuser oh until Lenny isn't supported any longer I'm staying pat I'm happy |
| 03:19.41 | xuser | pfred1: on a desktop? |
| 03:19.47 | pfred1 | xuser yes |
| 03:19.58 | xuser | ok |
| 03:20.09 | xuser | :) |
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| 03:20.16 | Hydroxide | pfred1: lenny will be supported for a year after squeeze (the next release) comes out. that hasn't happened yet, though it still might happen (hopefully!) in 2010 |
| 03:20.18 | pfred1 | xuser though I am building a custom system for industrial control based on a stripped down lenny as well |
| 03:20.47 | Hydroxide | pfred1: squeeze is pretty awesome too, though, so it's not all bad! |
| 03:21.05 | Hydroxide | pfred1: have you taken a look at emdebian? it's debian's embedded project |
| 03:21.13 | Hydroxide | pfred1: http://emdebian.org/ |
| 03:21.26 | pfred1 | Hydroxide I need to use EMC |
| 03:21.49 | pfred1 | Hydroxide but they base their release on ah I'd better not say the U word here ;) |
| 03:21.50 | qq- | emc2 ? |
| 03:22.02 | Hydroxide | pfred1: EMC? the storage vendor? and, heh |
| 03:22.23 | pfred1 | Enhanced Machine Control |
| 03:22.29 | Hydroxide | pfred1: anyway, whether or not you use the distributions that the emdebian people release, they probably have tools and almost definitely have mailing lists and IRC channels and other resources that will be relevant |
| 03:22.44 | Hydroxide | so it's worth looking at |
| 03:22.46 | Hydroxide | and, cool |
| 03:23.04 | qq- | pfred1, works in progress on emc2 .. |
| 03:23.23 | Hydroxide | qq-: yeah, just found that: http://linuxcnc.org/ |
| 03:23.26 | pfred1 | qq- they should base their release on Debian |
| 03:23.41 | qq- | 2.6.32-5-686-squeeze-rtai |
| 03:23.45 | tharkun | Hydroxide: wow embedian is quite impressive |
| 03:23.48 | pfred1 | but I'll go through all the troubles of building it myself |
| 03:24.06 | qq- | pfred1, i agree |
| 03:24.23 | pfred1 | qq- it is worth it for the 20% performance improvement |
| 03:24.31 | Hydroxide | tharkun: yep, very. and they know what they're doing too ... definitely there is a significant number of Debian people who work on that stuff (I know of a bunch in the UK) |
| 03:24.54 | Hydroxide | pfred1: yeah, the embedded arena is one of the few where that argument actually makes sense :) |
| 03:25.20 | Hydroxide | pfred1: emdebian is useful for such tasks, too. (e.g. rebuilding for custom purposes) |
| 03:25.54 | pfred1 | Hydroxide I like some environment but I'm stripping it down as much as I can |
| 03:26.13 | pfred1 | Hydroxide I think I got gnome to come up with 53 total processes running |
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| 03:26.47 | qq- | pfred1, i just build emc2 2.4.5 on debian with -squeeze-rtai kernel .. |
| 03:26.49 | Hydroxide | pfred1: hah, wow |
| 03:26.53 | pfred1 | Hydroxide which in evil U takes about 153 |
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| 03:27.02 | Hydroxide | yeah, that's not their goal |
| 03:27.04 | Hydroxide | nice work |
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| 03:27.37 | pfred1 | like i tell people sometimes Debian is a bit more effort but is well worth it |
| 03:27.54 | gigglefight | hello all! I've gotta a real slow computer; about 128mb RAM. may i have recommendations on the best distro. I have tried puppy linux. |
| 03:28.09 | qq- | pfred1, i got a lenny on ~55 MB (ssh , dhcp included ) |
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| 03:29.11 | pfred1 | can X run with that little RAM today? |
| 03:29.15 | tharkun | qq-: Since when do you have bragging rights? |
| 03:29.24 | pfred1 | though I do remember running X with 16 MB |
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| 03:30.07 | sweetpi | gigglefight: debian recommended minimum ram is 64MB though it will run on 48MB |
| 03:30.28 | pfred1 | sweetpi even 64 MB has to be swappy slow! |
| 03:30.43 | Hydroxide | pfred1: for running gnome, probably correct |
| 03:30.52 | Hydroxide | pfred1: for running a headless single-task server instance, not necessarily |
| 03:31.01 | tharkun | sans X and a very well trimmed system and it will not swap much |
| 03:31.10 | pfred1 | Hydroxide 64 MB forget gnome! |
| 03:31.22 | pfred1 | you're talking like blackbox |
| 03:31.24 | gigglefight | sweetpi: thanks |
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| 03:31.50 | Hydroxide | pfred1: by "headless" I meant no X |
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| 03:32.35 | qq- | tho "headless" meant w/o hard disk .. |
| 03:32.54 | pfred1 | qq- to me headless means no video |
| 03:32.55 | gigglefight | this may sound... like... inflated; how can i make debian look pretty? please direct me to pretty desktop options. than. |
| 03:32.57 | gigglefight | thanks |
| 03:33.03 | Hydroxide | qq-: that's diskless. technically headless means without a monitor (and usually without a keyboard+mouse) |
| 03:33.23 | qq- | cool , right diskless... |
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| 03:35.34 | gigglefight | okay! debian it is :) laters folks |
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| 03:37.26 | sweetpi | with 128MB ram, wallpaper is about as close as you can get to a "pretty desktop" |
| 03:37.32 | sweetpi | bleh they left |
| 03:38.11 | qq- | memory test : 640 KB , ok |
| 03:38.54 | sweetpi | thats all you will ever need |
| 03:39.27 | Nashenas | I remember the day when a 128MB flash drive was actually expensive e_O |
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| 03:41.40 | sweetpi | Nashenas: I remember the day when I got my first 100MB hdd, think it cost my parents a few grand |
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| 03:43.01 | qq- | test his 'new' toshiba T1000LE (laptop 1990 , Intel 8OC86TM microprocessor Adjustable 9.54/4.77 MHz ) |
| 03:43.03 | sweetpi | I shouted "I can put all my disks on here!" and did a little happy dance :) |
| 03:43.40 | Nashenas | I feel like I won't know what to do when they come out with petabyte drives |
| 03:43.57 | Nashenas | I think I might just have like 20 copies of everything to fill it up |
| 03:44.23 | sweetpi | Nashenas: Download the internet of course :) |
| 03:44.47 | qq- | dl all internet .. |
| 03:44.59 | tharkun | Hydroxide: how much gain in performance between Emdebian and normal debian on a really low resources machine. Just to get me an idea |
| 03:46.42 | Nashenas | sweetpi: the internet is already over several petabytes |
| 03:46.47 | karlpinc | tharkun: No gain in performance I'd expect, just gains in disk utilization because there's no docs etc. |
| 03:47.06 | Nashenas | I was just thinking of a 1 PB drive |
| 03:47.16 | Nashenas | lol, a peanut butter drive |
| 03:47.32 | tharkun | karlpinc: no perl and no python i would guess should speed things up quite a bit on a low resources |
| 03:47.53 | sweetpi | Nashenas: It was a joke, or maybe it wasnt since I have to explain it ;) |
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| 03:48.22 | karlpinc | tharkun: Not if you need perl and python. You can already install without perl if you just do the minimum. |
| 03:48.44 | Nashenas | sweetpi: oh I know, but sometimes i try to imagine if a joke was real |
| 03:48.48 | tharkun | karlpinc: IIRC perl is needed even with a minimal install |
| 03:49.04 | karlpinc | tharkun: It's standard, but not required. So says apt. |
| 03:49.24 | karlpinc | tharkun: Anyway, why would that make the box faster? |
| 03:50.52 | tharkun | karlpinc: I've come to learn that the most simple the install the faster it happens to behave |
| 03:51.48 | karlpinc | tharkun: The fewer processes the faster-ish, but that has nothing to do with what's installed on the disk/persistent storage. |
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| 03:54.26 | tharkun | karlpinc: Your point |
| 03:56.15 | karlpinc | tharkun: A full hard drive will be slower, but... |
| 03:56.35 | tharkun | you need to use it to suffere it first |
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| 03:57.13 | srmaddox | How do i specify, on my lenny install, the unstable repository (sid? i think it is?) I tried sid unstable but this apparently doesnt exist? |
| 03:57.25 | srmaddox | (sources.list) |
| 03:58.02 | qq- | what ? |
| 03:58.08 | karlpinc | !sid |
| 03:58.08 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:58.39 | srmaddox | http://packages.debian.org/sid/postgresql-9.0 I want to install that |
| 03:58.40 | karlpinc | srmaddox: What problem are you trying to solve? You know about backports and volatile? |
| 03:58.41 | srmaddox | On lenny |
| 03:58.56 | karlpinc | ,versions postgresql |
| 03:58.59 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.4-2; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.5-1; sid: 9.0.1-1 |
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| 03:59.24 | karlpinc | srmaddox: Wait a bit and postgres 9 will probably come to backports. |
| 03:59.46 | tharkun | srmaddox: or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:59.56 | tharkun | but beware it is no easy task |
| 04:00.04 | tharkun | you've been warned |
| 04:00.45 | jordanm | some packages its very easy.. |
| 04:00.48 | srmaddox | Yeah that's pretty much where I am |
| 04:00.50 | srmaddox | The question was |
| 04:00.59 | srmaddox | what is the proper entry in sources.list for the sid src |
| 04:01.16 | qq- | !ssb |
| 04:01.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:01.18 | jordanm | srmaddox: and you were told that is not the proper way to do it |
| 04:01.37 | srmaddox | And then told to so ssb |
| 04:01.42 | srmaddox | or ask dpkg ssb |
| 04:01.45 | srmaddox | and dpkg said to do it |
| 04:01.46 | karlpinc | jordanm: Sounds to me like he's following the ssb instructions, but is lost. |
| 04:02.07 | srmaddox | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.17 | tharkun | yeap the deb-src line is the missing part :D |
| 04:02.21 | jordanm | srmaddox: copy and paste your deb-src line for lenny, and just replace "lenny" with "sid" |
| 04:02.35 | qq- | deb-src http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ sid main |
| 04:02.48 | jordanm | eh .ch |
| 04:03.14 | tharkun | srmaddox: point number 2 is very important since there are a lot of dependencies that lenny does not meet so you can easily backport a package |
| 04:03.22 | qq- | jordanm, isn't it nice ? |
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| 04:05.59 | jordanm | qq-: likely slow for most in the channel |
| 04:06.16 | qq- | heh |
| 04:06.43 | karlpinc | jordanm: Never know. .de does really well. |
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| 04:09.16 | srmaddox | thank you, the bot instructions were quite nice. |
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| 04:11.54 | srmaddox | And now my only problem is waiting for the sql to execute =D Thank you all very much |
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| 04:19.46 | gnutun | silly question; how can i determine the debian architecture of a machine (e.g. i386, amd64, etc)? |
| 04:20.01 | jordanm | gnutun: file /bin/ls |
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| 04:20.37 | s3a | is there a linux clipboard or something that holds a bunch of things i copied? |
| 04:20.38 | jordanm | gnutun: dpkg --print-architecture for a debian specific way |
| 04:20.44 | karlpinc | jordanm: That's interesting. How about the underlying hardware? |
| 04:20.55 | jordanm | s3a: xclipboard |
| 04:20.59 | gnutun | jordanm, awesome thx |
| 04:21.23 | jordanm | karlpinc: I think we interpreted the question differently :) |
| 04:21.35 | jordanm | karlpinc: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:21.53 | jordanm | however, I forget which flag indicates 64bit capable |
| 04:21.54 | karlpinc | jordanm: Nah. It's a separate question of mine. |
| 04:22.10 | sweetpi | jordanm: lm |
| 04:22.15 | s3a | jordanm, how do i get it to show me all the things in the clipboard |
| 04:22.16 | s3a | ? |
| 04:22.18 | karlpinc | jordanm: Yeah. All those flags are, hard. |
| 04:23.09 | jordanm | s3a: sorry, I misinterpreted your question |
| 04:23.22 | karlpinc | s3a: You run xclipboard? |
| 04:23.24 | jordanm | xclipboard only holds one item AFAIK. you want an emacs kill-ring :) |
| 04:23.36 | s3a | karlpinc, Error: another clipboard is already running |
| 04:24.18 | karlpinc | s3a: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 04:24.57 | s3a | karlpinc, i copied something long ago and didn't paste it and copied something else after so i can't paste it |
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| 04:26.10 | jordanm | C-y M-y if you happen to be using emacs.. |
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| 04:27.02 | karlpinc | s3a: I _think_ it's gone. (Unless you're using emacs. :) |
| 04:27.27 | sweetpi | C-x M-c M-butterfly ? |
| 04:27.37 | s3a | openoffice.org |
| 04:28.09 | karlpinc | s3a: I think you've got undo, yes? You could save, then undo for a bit. |
| 04:29.38 | karlpinc | sweetpi: I never did get that joke. ? |
| 04:29.44 | jordanm | sweetpi: hehe. the real command is actually just M-x butterfly (>= 23 only) |
| 04:30.05 | jordanm | karlpinc: its a joke about how emacs can do *everything* |
| 04:30.19 | jordanm | karlpinc: did you see the actual xkcd comic? |
| 04:30.51 | jordanm | karlpinc: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 04:30.54 | s3a | karlpinc, well right now it's okay essay-wise and it drifted more to curiosity. Does openoffice.org have a specific feature for this? |
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| 04:31.38 | karlpinc | s3a: Dunno. I'm an emacs fan. If I want pretty I do docbook. |
| 04:32.31 | s3a | karlpinc, o well thanks anyways |
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| 04:38.02 | sweetpi | !glipper |
| 04:38.41 | sweetpi | !info glipper |
| 04:39.09 | jordanm | is there anywhere that describes the various bug severities other than the interactive mode of reportbug? |
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| 04:39.43 | dpkg | glipper: (Clipboard manager for the GNOME panel), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0-1.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 624 kB |
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| 04:39.55 | sweetpi | s3a: ^ |
| 04:41.40 | s3a | sweetpi, i installed it but it doesn't even have a man page, so what do i do? |
| 04:42.42 | sweetpi | s3a: add it to your panel I assume |
| 04:43.11 | jordanm | s3a: you can also check /usr/share/doc/<package>/ for documentation |
| 04:43.25 | jordanm | often you will find a README.Debian or an upstream readme |
| 04:44.20 | sweetpi | jordanm: you mean just the descriptions or why it was classified as a specific severity? http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 04:45.06 | jordanm | sweetpi: thats exactly it, thanks |
| 04:45.38 | jordanm | doesn't know why that isn't in end-user documentation as well. they report bugs! |
| 04:47.36 | s3a | sweetpi, o it works! |
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| 04:50.17 | srmaddox | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/ sid main contrib non-free >.> now does not seem to work? |
| 04:50.39 | srmaddox | oops |
| 04:50.40 | srmaddox | main only |
| 04:51.05 | srmaddox | nope still wont work |
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| 04:52.09 | srmaddox | or i need to add /debian hah |
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| 04:55.55 | sweetpi | jordanm: I agree, it should be in the man page. fwiw there is a round about way to see that list in /usr/share/doc/reportbug/HowToReportGoodBugs.txt, but you have to visit the site, then search for severity and click on "Advanced Documentation" |
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| 04:56.44 | jordanm | sweetpi: I will have to think about where I want to file this wishlist.. debian-reference maybe |
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| 05:05.22 | sweetpi | jordanm: maybe reportbug itself.. would be nice if people understood what the severities are directly in the man page of reportbug or at least a link in the -S description |
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| 05:13.59 | eroick | hello, i cannot ssh into a machine. i can login successfully with no errors from sshd (even with -vvv) but i don't get a shell. i've even tried changing my default shell to no avail. any ideas? |
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| 05:15.26 | karlpinc | eroick: Does ssh -vvv say anything? |
| 05:16.09 | eroick | karlpinc: nothing interesting... but if i run w locally on the box i see a user logged in from a remote ip running bash (or whatever shell) |
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| 05:17.52 | eroick | karlpinc: i see a user on pts/0 from a remote ip running bash. |
| 05:18.36 | karlpinc | eroick: Just to poke it with a stick, what happens if you ssh to localhost? |
| 05:19.24 | srmaddox | apt-cache -s=? what paremter is taken? |
| 05:19.41 | eroick | karlpinc: same thing. |
| 05:20.32 | srmaddox | I seem to be having issues with installing from sid sources; the build-dep command didnt get all deps, and im left with deps that arent part of lenny that i need (postgresql-common > 107 |
| 05:20.36 | eroick | karlpinc: and i get stuck, i have to kill the process |
| 05:21.05 | karlpinc | eroick: You get the motd? |
| 05:21.11 | eroick | karlpinc: nope |
| 05:22.09 | eroick | karlpinc: i get up to "shell request accepted on channel 0" |
| 05:22.13 | jordanm | srmaddox: you will need to backport that as well. |
| 05:22.30 | srmaddox | I dont even know what the exact package name is or how to search backports >.< |
| 05:22.47 | jordanm | srmaddox: was that the only one? |
| 05:23.01 | srmaddox | postgresql-common, postgresql-client-common, locales |
| 05:23.03 | srmaddox | those three |
| 05:23.22 | sweetpi | eroick: can you login locally(not ssh) as that user? |
| 05:23.42 | eroick | sweetpi: yes |
| 05:23.43 | jordanm | ,versions postgresql |
| 05:23.45 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.4-2; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.5-1; sid: 9.0.1-1 |
| 05:23.56 | eroick | no issues locally |
| 05:25.00 | jordanm | srmaddox: backporting locales could cause issues. postgresql-common source package will also build postgresql-client-common |
| 05:25.13 | jordanm | srmaddox: apt-cache showsrc postgresql-common |
| 05:25.23 | sweetpi | eroick: what is the command you are using to connect? |
| 05:25.40 | eroick | sweetpi: ssh user@ip |
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| 05:26.01 | sweetpi | eroick: and non-default settings on the client or server? |
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| 05:26.11 | sweetpi | s/and/any/ |
| 05:26.12 | eroick | sweetpi, nope, all stock |
| 05:27.55 | sweetpi | eroick: can you scp? |
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| 05:28.16 | srmaddox | holy crap it worked |
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| 05:30.09 | eroick | sweetpi: sftp works |
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| 05:32.59 | sweetpi | eroick: "ssh user@ip echo foo", if that doesnt work, try setting "UseDNS no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:34.24 | sweetpi | just a guess there... dns went out here a few days ago and really confused me when it took 30 seconds to get a shell on a lan |
| 05:34.41 | eroick | sweetpi: rebooting... one sec |
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| 05:36.45 | sweetpi | strike that, I couldnt even get a shell iirc |
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| 05:38.41 | eroick | sweetpi: echo foo worked |
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| 05:41.06 | sweetpi | eroick: try to connect again and type a command even though you dont have a prompt |
| 05:42.38 | eroick | sweetpi: no dice |
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| 05:44.28 | sweetpi | eroick: ssh user@ip /bin/bash, then type ls(you shouldnt have a prompt) |
| 05:45.26 | eroick | sweetpi: works. |
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| 05:45.50 | sweetpi | eroick: what is your shell set to? |
| 05:46.09 | eroick | /bin/bash |
| 05:46.35 | eroick | i've tried others |
| 05:48.50 | sweetpi | ls -ald /home/$USER |
| 05:48.59 | sweetpi | stabs blindly |
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| 05:50.28 | eroick | shows my home directory |
| 05:50.48 | eroick | owned by me, wxr-xr--x |
| 05:51.59 | sweetpi | typo? |
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| 05:52.32 | eroick | yeah |
| 05:52.43 | eroick | drwxr-xr-x |
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| 05:56.32 | eroick | sweetpi: ugh, wifi dropped |
| 05:58.36 | eroick | sweetpi: got a shell by doing ssh user@ip source .bashrc && /bin/bash |
| 05:58.47 | eroick | so maybe my bashrc isn't getting sourced? |
| 05:59.14 | sweetpi | I was going to suggest moving .bashrc out of the way, but you said you tried other shells |
| 05:59.20 | eroick | yeah |
| 05:59.32 | eroick | false alarm, i actually just did something locally. |
| 06:00.55 | eroick | anyway, i've gotta head off.. thanks for your help |
| 06:01.13 | eroick | at least i can do something even if I don't see a prompt :P |
| 06:01.23 | sweetpi | yep, sorry no help. maybe try ##linux I think some are awake |
| 06:01.42 | eroick | alright, thanks |
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| 06:03.01 | COm_BOY | hello All |
| 06:03.09 | COm_BOY | i want to download and install debian linux on my PC but have a problem |
| 06:03.21 | COm_BOY | when i go to the debian site.. CD version .. it shows a lot of disk .. maybe around more then 20 disk |
| 06:03.33 | COm_BOY | right now I am not intrested in packagges.. i want a simple GNOME installation.. |
| 06:03.42 | COm_BOY | is there a single disk version avaliable ??? |
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| 06:04.20 | sweetpi | COm_BOY: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ should be all you need |
| 06:04.51 | COm_BOY | sweetpi : Is that with GNOME .. i think its just 180mb or so .. |
| 06:04.59 | COm_BOY | other linux distro are like 600mb e.g. ubuntu |
| 06:05.09 | jordanm | it can download gnome from the internet at install time |
| 06:05.12 | sweetpi | COm_BOY: it will download everything you need |
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| 06:05.18 | COm_BOY | ahh i have slow internet connection |
| 06:05.21 | jordanm | just select the "desktop" task |
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| 06:05.26 | COm_BOY | so i was thinking of getting the ISO from office only |
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| 06:05.41 | sweetpi | COm_BOY: cd1 should be ok then |
| 06:05.43 | COm_BOY | u see like ubuntu .. we have 700mb ISO file |
| 06:05.43 | jordanm | COm_BOY: well, you have to download it regardless, unless you plan to burn the cd somewhere with a faster connection |
| 06:06.04 | COm_BOY | can anyone let me know whats in CD1 and whats in CD2 and so on and so forth |
| 06:06.13 | jpinx-ee1pc | COm_BOY: you can install debian over a dialup - i did that |
| 06:06.14 | COm_BOY | like which CD contains what things.. like themes.. softwares etc |
| 06:06.27 | jordanm | !cd contents |
| 06:06.28 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 06:06.33 | jpinx-ee1pc | COm_BOY: forget the CD's use netinstall |
| 06:07.04 | COm_BOY | ahh okey i will try that !!! actually i want a couple of Virtual machines in my LAB of linux ... so just thought of debian ... |
| 06:07.17 | COm_BOY | which are the other simillar linux distro ?? |
| 06:07.20 | jordanm | jpinx-ee1pc: I used to play MMOs over dialup 10years ago. still unpleasent :) |
| 06:07.45 | jordanm | COm_BOY: other distro?? |
| 06:08.03 | jordanm | hehe, the most similar I would say is centos |
| 06:08.11 | COm_BOY | like.... fedora.. etc.. but fedora would be having things different .. so i want some other simillar to it |
| 06:08.18 | jpinx-ee1pc | COm_BOY: we only deal with debian here - there's a clue in th channel title ;) |
| 06:08.35 | COm_BOY | yea .. but that doesnt means that u ppl are not good at other distro :D |
| 06:08.43 | jordanm | fedora has more in common with ubuntu. anyways that sort of question is more appropriate for ##linux |
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| 06:08.54 | jpinx-ee1pc | COm_BOY: it *does*mean we only talk about debian |
| 06:09.15 | COm_BOY | fedora is common with ubuntu ??? i thought ubuntu was based on debian |
| 06:09.16 | jpinx-ee1pc | unless your name is jordanm ;) |
| 06:09.17 | PTSWorldFriend | Hello, I suffered a hack plague, I downloaded on Windows 505 netinst and using sha1sum.exe doesn't match. |
| 06:09.18 | COm_BOY | is that right ? |
| 06:09.23 | jordanm | hides |
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| 06:09.51 | jpinx-ee1pc | PTSWorldFriend: what debia release are you running? |
| 06:10.00 | jpinx-ee1pc | *debian |
| 06:10.03 | PTSWorldFriend | Lenny |
| 06:10.06 | PTSWorldFriend | At the moment. |
| 06:10.06 | jordanm | jpinx-ee1pc: you understood that as english? |
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| 06:10.18 | PTSWorldFriend | Let me try to see the version. |
| 06:10.24 | jpinx-ee1pc | nah - I was taking a flier at it ;) |
| 06:10.30 | jordanm | :) |
| 06:10.41 | PTSWorldFriend | jpinx-ee1pc: 5.0.6 |
| 06:10.54 | jpinx-ee1pc | COm_BOY: /join #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 06:11.15 | jordanm | PTSWorldFriend: try to explain the problem again, with more details |
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| 06:14.26 | PTSWorldFriend | jordanm: It's hard to explain, even I don't understand but all was messed up, devices appear, disappear, browsers stop working, thunders on screen, netinst images that don't fit on the partition and available space of boot.img.gz... Anyway, from this PC I can't make a new install, so I'm using Windows on a laptop and there is an utility sha1sum.exe and I checked SHA512SUMS and the 505 netinst image, doesn't match... |
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| 06:16.30 | phrozen77 | heya - i got a problem with tripwire on debian squeeze which looks like is caused due to a bug in that version - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360484 - the problem seems to be that the .twd (database) is never generated even though tripwire gracefully ends (encountering 2 minor errors during building the database) |
| 06:16.37 | phrozen77 | is there a known workaround to this? |
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| 06:17.26 | jordanm | PTSWorldFriend: try a different mirror maybe? |
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| 06:18.01 | PTSWorldFriend | Why? |
| 06:18.07 | PTSWorldFriend | Shouldn't all be the same? |
| 06:19.20 | jordanm | should, yes |
| 06:19.25 | jpinx | PTSWorldFriend: where did you get this wierd image ? |
| 06:19.43 | PTSWorldFriend | Finland |
| 06:20.01 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.08 | PTSWorldFriend | Where did I get this current Lenny full of restrictions? |
| 06:20.10 | jpinx | by post? |
| 06:20.50 | PTSWorldFriend | By airplane. |
| 06:20.54 | PTSWorldFriend | Seriously. |
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| 06:21.16 | jpinx | PTSWorldFriend: would you like to start again with explaining the issue? |
| 06:21.48 | PTSWorldFriend | Man... All was spinning around me... Nevermind... |
| 06:21.53 | jpinx | you have a box running lenny- right? |
| 06:21.59 | PTSWorldFriend | Yeah. |
| 06:22.05 | PTSWorldFriend | Impossible to do anything. |
| 06:22.10 | PTSWorldFriend | With trust. |
| 06:22.17 | jpinx | stop the vagueness |
| 06:22.29 | jpinx | what commands are you giving it? |
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| 06:22.49 | PTSWorldFriend | For? |
| 06:23.10 | jpinx | what do you want it to do? |
| 06:23.17 | PTSWorldFriend | I want a new install. |
| 06:23.24 | PTSWorldFriend | One without restrictions. |
| 06:23.34 | jpinx | what restrictions |
| 06:23.39 | PTSWorldFriend | And safe. |
| 06:23.58 | naptastic | I have royally screwed up my apt cache. I installed a package that I cannot re-create; apt-get says the package needs to be reinstalled but it can't find the package (I foolishly deleted it) and I can't perform *any* package operations. What do I do? |
| 06:24.46 | jpinx | naptastic: aptitude update works? |
| 06:25.11 | naptastic | jpinx, Nope. It complains that the package needs to be reinstalled but it can't find the package. |
| 06:25.13 | naptastic | wait |
| 06:25.29 | jordanm | naptastic: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 06:25.41 | naptastic | jordanm, what will I find there? |
| 06:25.51 | phrozen77 | .debs you previously installed |
| 06:25.58 | jordanm | .deb files you have installed prior using apt |
| 06:26.07 | jpinx | or run dpkg -l |
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| 06:26.39 | naptastic | jordanm, I didn't use apt to install the package :-( |
| 06:26.51 | jpinx | naptastic: dpkg -l |
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| 06:27.28 | naptastic | jpinx, that gives me a very long and very thorough list of packages. What do I do with it? |
| 06:27.44 | jpinx | find the one you need |
| 06:28.13 | naptastic | right, to be clear, it's a .deb that I created, installed, then deleted, and it would be impossible for me to re-create |
| 06:28.18 | jpinx | naptastic: pipe it through grep for the name |
| 06:28.38 | naptastic | jpinx, rHR linux-image-2.6.35.7-bfs 2.6.35.7-bfs-10.00.Custom Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.35.7-bfs |
| 06:28.44 | naptastic | jpinx, what does the rHR at the front mean? |
| 06:28.53 | naptastic | jpinx, (almost all the other packages are ii instead) |
| 06:29.30 | jpinx | if you created the .deb and deleted it there is nothing anyone can do for you |
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| 06:29.58 | naptastic | jpinx, I was afraid of that. The installation is nuked? |
| 06:30.54 | jpinx | naptastic: I hope you learned about backups from this experience :p |
| 06:31.07 | D4rKr0W | i recently updated my lenny, i launched checkrestart and it shows some perl processes, how do i know what script they are so i can restart them? |
| 06:31.30 | naptastic | jpinx, indeed! :-) Luckily, /home is another partition and so is /boot, so it's not so painful... maybe 2 hours of work to get back to where I am |
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| 06:31.33 | jordanm | naptastic: try: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 06:31.40 | phrozen77 | D4rKr0W: check /proc/$PID/ |
| 06:32.12 | naptastic | jordanm, dpkg: need an action option |
| 06:32.35 | naptastic | I mistyped |
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| 06:33.05 | phrozen77 | naptastic: maybe you should start by pastebin'ing the actual error you're trying to get rid of.... |
| 06:33.25 | naptastic | phrozen77, that's the actual error. What comes after it is the help page. |
| 06:33.39 | phrozen77 | .... and what command do you invoke? |
| 06:33.41 | phrozen77 | ffs |
| 06:33.46 | phrozen77 | plz2bespecific |
| 06:34.16 | naptastic | phrozen77, the one jordanm gave me. "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq". I think the hyphens might need to be different; I'm reading the page. |
| 06:34.53 | phrozen77 | with the packagename i presume? |
| 06:35.12 | naptastic | phrozen77, I didn't include the packagename. Let me try that... |
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| 06:35.51 | naptastic | nope, that gave the same result. |
| 06:37.56 | D4rKr0W | phrozen77: thanks, solved with ps aux | grep perl |
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| 06:38.09 | Polysics | hello |
| 06:38.50 | Polysics | how do i solve this: there is a folder where two users create and delete directoris with files inside, one is a shell user and the other is the web server |
| 06:39.12 | Polysics | how can both do what they need to do without interfering with one another or having to run chmod every time, please? |
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| 06:42.31 | agent0range | im running accross the craziest thing. when i try to execute a binary file, bash complains that the file or dir doesnt exist but it def does. anyone help me out here? |
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| 06:43.22 | hachi | hi folks... I'm having major issues getting knfsd to start up after an upgrade |
| 06:43.56 | hachi | the kernel is returning 'Permission Denied' to rpc.nfsd when it tries to set versions and port numbers |
| 06:44.05 | hachi | I'm using the stock debian kernel |
| 06:44.25 | hachi | can anyone confirm if nfs-kernel-server is working in squeeze, or help me debug this issue? |
| 06:44.58 | AimHere | agent0range, probably you're trying to execute a file that's not in your path |
| 06:45.26 | AimHere | agent0range, give it a full pathname, if it's in the current directory, for example, you could do './foo' |
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| 06:48.04 | agent0range | no. definetly not. i am running it directly |
| 06:48.29 | AimHere | What do you mean 'running it directly'? |
| 06:49.21 | jpinx | Polysics: use user and group permissions |
| 06:49.55 | Polysics | jpinx: i know, i just can't get my head around to a solution - the directories get created with the wrong make |
| 06:49.58 | Polysics | *mask |
| 06:49.59 | jpinx | agent0range: what command are you using to "execute" the binary? |
| 06:50.14 | Polysics | and i am not sure where to intervene, since they are created by a Ruby script run by PHP |
| 06:50.24 | Polysics | and thus belong to www-data:www-data |
| 06:50.29 | jpinx | !ruby |
| 06:50.29 | dpkg | methinks ruby is a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com, or http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/, or #ruby-lang |
| 06:50.44 | jordanm | Polysics: if using apache, you can use suexec so that the apache process will run as the same user as the shell user |
| 06:50.46 | Polysics | i know how to set permissions :-) |
| 06:50.49 | agent0range | jpinx: im just using bahs. i also tried nice |
| 06:50.54 | agent0range | *bash |
| 06:50.55 | jordanm | Polysics: very common for hosting providers |
| 06:51.03 | Polysics | jordanm: that might very well be the only solution |
| 06:51.13 | AimHere | agent0range, What file are you trying to run, and what's the exact command you're typing into the shell to run it? |
| 06:51.22 | Polysics | create a user that is neither one nor another current user, a thid one just for the service |
| 06:51.31 | agent0range | jpinx,AimHere im running it like ./binname |
| 06:51.58 | AimHere | And the file is definitely in the current working directory? |
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| 06:52.05 | jordanm | agent0range: then ./binname is not in your current working directory |
| 06:52.07 | jpinx | agent0range: as root or as user? Why not pastebin the complete information ? ;) |
| 06:52.07 | AimHere | Is it a symlink, perhaps? |
| 06:52.09 | jordanm | (according to the error) |
| 06:52.20 | agent0range | AimHere, i can assure you its nothing simple. I am running it like ./name and im tab completing ... its a simple command |
| 06:52.20 | jordanm | AimHere: symlink should still execute |
| 06:52.31 | AimHere | Not if it was a symlink to nowhere |
| 06:52.40 | jordanm | ah, right |
| 06:52.45 | agent0range | its not a simlink |
| 06:52.47 | robokop | agent0range: stat binname |
| 06:53.04 | robokop | agent0range: and pastebin the result |
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| 06:55.38 | jpinx | agent0range: pastebin yet? |
| 06:55.58 | jpinx | and do file binfilename too. |
| 06:56.16 | jpinx | lets see what this actually is.... |
| 06:56.30 | AimHere | I reckon 'ls -l binfile' is another useful one |
| 06:57.26 | Polysics | jordanm: suexec does not work for PHP unfortunately :-( |
| 06:57.52 | AimHere | #include stdio\nint main() { fprintf(stderr,"bash: binfile: command not found\n"; } |
| 06:58.45 | phrozen77 | Polysics: why wouldn't it? |
| 06:58.50 | phrozen77 | see mod_fcgid |
| 06:58.53 | jordanm | Polysics: yes it does, php-fcgi |
| 06:59.00 | phrozen77 | that as well |
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| 06:59.28 | agent0range | what provides binfilename? |
| 06:59.43 | AimHere | I think they meant 'file binfile' |
| 06:59.51 | Polysics | looks like i need to reconfigure the whole system :-) |
| 06:59.53 | agent0range | oh! |
| 06:59.54 | jpinx | agent0range: you do |
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| 07:01.14 | jordanm | Polysics: s/system/web service/ |
| 07:01.32 | Polysics | since it is a web server, it's almost the whole system :-) |
| 07:01.43 | Polysics | still. many thanks for the pointers, it is not difficult at all |
| 07:02.16 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 07:05.03 | phrozen77 | Polysics: this is a half-decent tutorial (in german -> google translate): http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Apache_PHP5_fcgi_und_SuExec |
| 07:05.22 | Polysics | this is in italian and i would say perfect |
| 07:05.23 | Polysics | http://www.salaserver.com/10575/utilizzare-php-con-mod_fcgid/ |
| 07:05.42 | Polysics | guess the english world doesn't know about the wonders of mod_fcgi :-P |
| 07:06.29 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 07:06.55 | phrozen77 | that tutorial kinda doesn't take into account that you might want to run vhosts |
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| 07:07.15 | phrozen77 | with their own php.ini |
| 07:07.22 | phrozen77 | stabs g0rd0n |
| 07:07.42 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 07:07.43 | Polysics | what is the "proper" way to add a directory to all users' path? at the end of /etc/ptofile? |
| 07:07.52 | g0rd0n | phrozen77: woher weisst du dass ich es bin |
| 07:07.53 | Polysics | i am installing Ruby in teh meantime :-) |
| 07:07.58 | phrozen77 | g0rd0n: ident |
| 07:08.03 | g0rd0n | ach ja stimmt lol =) |
| 07:08.38 | phrozen77 | heya - i got a problem with tripwire on debian squeeze which looks like is caused due to a bug in that version - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360484 - the problem seems to be that the .twd (database) is never generated even though tripwire gracefully ends (encountering 2 minor errors during building the database) |
| 07:08.38 | jordanm | Polysics: not at the end, where it is actually set |
| 07:08.58 | phrozen77 | to add, it works fine on debian lenny |
| 07:09.00 | jordanm | phrozen77: according to that, its a bug in all versions since 2006 |
| 07:09.03 | Polysics | jordanm: what problems could i run in by setting it at the end? i already have one machine up with that |
| 07:09.13 | Polysics | i can go change it if it is a problem |
| 07:09.13 | phrozen77 | jordanm: then the version on lenny is older |
| 07:09.39 | phrozen77 | jordanm: not sure what might the .twd not be generated cause it works fine on lenny.. but not on squeeze |
| 07:10.29 | jpinx | ,versions tripwire |
| 07:10.30 | judd | Package tripwire on i386 -- etch: 2.3.1.2.0-10; lenny: 2.3.1.2.0-12; sid: 2.4.2-5; squeeze: 2.4.2-5 |
| 07:10.48 | jpinx | phrozen77: ^^ |
| 07:11.07 | phrozen77 | so... install version from lenny && pin? |
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| 07:12.38 | jordanm | phrozen77: does this "make the package in question unusable or mostly so"? |
| 07:12.44 | agent0range | jpinx,AimHere ... sorry i was having connection problems ... http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=34654 |
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| 07:12.48 | phrozen77 | it *is* unusable |
| 07:13.07 | phrozen77 | it never generates the database and therefore can't do any checks |
| 07:13.18 | jordanm | phrozen77: add a comment to the bug report and elevate the severity to "grave", which is a release-critical bug |
| 07:13.31 | jordanm | otherwise, squeeze will ship with that bug |
| 07:13.44 | phrozen77 | yeah, figured as much.. also wondered why it only is "important" |
| 07:13.50 | phrozen77 | will do in a few |
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| 07:14.11 | AimHere | Ah, the file is called 'wrapper'. That might be a clue that the file itself exists, but it's trying to execute another file, which doesn't |
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| 07:14.57 | agent0range | AimHere, it give me the error from bash when i run IT |
| 07:15.19 | AimHere | Maybe 'wrapper' is just passing on any errors that it gets |
| 07:15.55 | agent0range | its possible but unlikely |
| 07:16.19 | AimHere | Well I've just knocked up a test, that's the default behavior with the 'system' command in C |
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| 07:16.37 | lng | hi! what are conf apps in Deb? |
| 07:16.51 | AimHere | as in, if you attempt system ('something') and the file doesn't exist, you get a file not found error from the shell |
| 07:17.11 | jordanm | lng: what is a conf app in anything? |
| 07:17.30 | lng | jordanm: just basic setup |
| 07:17.48 | jordanm | lng: ermm debconf? |
| 07:17.50 | agent0range | AimHere. you may be right but that really doesnt difinetivly help me now does it? |
| 07:17.54 | lng | sysinstall like |
| 07:18.05 | lng | debconf is for packages |
| 07:18.45 | jordanm | lng: right, I would say thats the closest thing |
| 07:19.05 | AimHere | Well it might. What, EXACTLY, is the error message you get? |
| 07:19.10 | jordanm | debian-installer would go through some of thos ethings |
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| 07:19.41 | agent0range | -su: ./wrapper: No such file or directory |
| 07:19.48 | lng | I seen some scripts to setup different things... like locale, default editor... don't rememeber commands |
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| 07:20.14 | AimHere | Hmmmm, so there's a '-su:' here, curious. |
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| 07:20.41 | lng | update-alternatives |
| 07:20.44 | jordanm | lng: dpkg-reconfigre locales (uses debconf). update-alternatives --config editor (uses a perl script to manage symlinks) |
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| 07:21.13 | AimHere | agent0range, assuming you're not doing something funny with su, then this 'wrapper' program seems to be |
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| 07:21.32 | agent0range | AimHere, its just cause i switched users ... i actually also tried from a regualr shell also |
| 07:21.44 | jpinx | agent0range: wrapper is a regular file, not a binary...? |
| 07:21.59 | lng | jordanm: yea, thanks |
| 07:22.11 | agent0range | wrapper: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, not stripped |
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| 07:22.45 | jpinx | agent0range: File: `wrapper' |
| 07:22.45 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.11 | jpinx | agent0range: did you try to open it with nano ? |
| 07:23.11 | agent0range | i guess it is then? |
| 07:23.13 | AimHere | regular file as opposed to symlink I think |
| 07:23.23 | agent0range | jpinx... i catted it |
| 07:23.28 | agent0range | its def a binary |
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| 07:24.06 | jpinx | agent0range: what is it supposed to do? |
| 07:24.21 | agent0range | just run some more stuff really |
| 07:24.42 | AimHere | My theory is still that it's the 'some more stuff' that's missing |
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| 07:24.47 | agent0range | its a wrapper ... so it wraps. |
| 07:25.07 | AimHere | Do you have the source for 'wrapper'? |
| 07:25.35 | AimHere | Or at least, do you know what 'some more stuff' it intends to run? |
| 07:25.37 | jpinx | agent0range: where did this file come from,? what package'? |
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| 07:26.10 | agent0range | let me see if i can find source code |
| 07:27.13 | antivigilante | i am making a set of tools creating custom bootsectors with "modules" (self contained snippets of machine code) |
| 07:27.21 | jelly-home | agent0range: what's your dpkg --print-architecture? |
| 07:27.27 | antivigilante | i'm a little confused as to the FHS |
| 07:28.36 | antivigilante | i call it tink |
| 07:28.49 | antivigilante | There Is No Kernel |
| 07:29.03 | antivigilante | so my problem is this: |
| 07:29.39 | antivigilante | i have /usr/share/tink/bios/ |
| 07:30.10 | antivigilante | here there are the basic components to making a bios based boot sector |
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| 07:30.45 | antivigilante | blanksector, bootsector, signature, vars, clear |
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| 07:31.30 | jelly-home | agent0range: I'm asking because that error can happen when the runtime linker for that ELF file is not present, and that can happen if you're trying to run a binary for a 32bit i386 Linux on a 64bit amd64-only installation. Try installing ia32-libs if that is the case. |
| 07:31.55 | antivigilante | the first three are 512 bytes 0ed, clean bootsector with IBM 0x55AA boot signature, and the signature |
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| 07:32.20 | antivigilante | the vars and the clear files I'm kinda confused |
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| 07:33.11 | antivigilante | these are used to set up the environment in the shell for making the bootsector and then to unset those vars |
| 07:33.26 | antivigilante | should they be in /usr/lib? |
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| 07:33.46 | antivigilante | should the others be in /etc |
| 07:33.50 | antivigilante | I'm lost |
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| 07:34.25 | raven737 | Hi.. noob here, i just a safe-upgrade of some packages including the kernel image... should i restart after that? |
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| 07:34.51 | antivigilante | i also will have modules such as creating an MBR |
| 07:36.22 | RedNifre | Hey hey! |
| 07:36.24 | antivigilante | in which case i would probably want to put them in /usr/lib/tink |
| 07:36.32 | jelly-home | antivigilante: try asking in the mentors channel in case noone answers here |
| 07:36.35 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 07:36.35 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 07:36.37 | raven737 | I meant: Do i need to restart after updating the kernel image? |
| 07:37.38 | RedNifre | Do you know which Java (default or OpenJDK) would be best suited to be used on a SPARC based NAS running a modified Debian? I heard some rumors that the standard JRE has some issues. Do you know anything about this? |
| 07:37.51 | RedNifre | (The people in ##java don't ;-) |
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| 07:39.48 | sash_ | good morning. i have a miniserver with 128mb ram and 1.2ghz arm-cpu, debian squeeze running from stick. i woud like to swap things like /var/log, /var/run, /var/lock to ram. i know there is RAMRUN and RAMLOCK in /etc/default/rcS for run and lock, but what about log? i really dont need its logs, when it shuts down, perhaps, i will send them daily via e-mail, but i dont want it to write them to the stick |
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| 07:40.16 | RedNifre | Are there any issues, running Debian on a SPARC? |
| 07:40.34 | sash_ | oh, usb stick is a usb flash drive, of course. i forgot |
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| 07:48.34 | MaxFrames | hello again |
| 07:50.44 | MaxFrames | I am trying to make a shell script to run at boot time; the script must copy a file from a smb share to a local folder, then grep the local copy of the file, and if it contains a specified string, the script should send an e-mail |
| 07:51.25 | MaxFrames | the problem is that, after the boot, the local file's content does not match the remote file's content, and by the way the e-mail is not sent even if the grep pattern is matched |
| 07:52.21 | MaxFrames | for example: the remote file's content is "1" and, after the reboot, the local file's content, instead of "1", is "0". If the content is "0" by the way, the script should send an e-mail, but it does not |
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| 07:55.05 | MaxFrames | the local file is in a user's home directory... maybe this is the problem? which folder shall I move it to, that is accessible at boot time? |
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| 07:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | antivigilante, you're thinking too complicated... those are not libraries, they don't connect with any running program, but go into the boot sector - if you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard "/usr/lib/" "libraries for programs in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin - the question is if you say they are "architecture independent data" -> /usr/share (which is not totally true, but true enough for i386/amd64) or "boot loader files |
| 07:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | " ->boot |
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| 07:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, actually not sure what those "clear files" are |
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| 07:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | come to read it again |
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| 08:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | they only go in /etc if they are supposed to be user-edited |
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| 08:02.10 | atari2600a | hey guys |
| 08:02.13 | atari2600a | I enjoy |
| 08:02.16 | atari2600a | puts troll face on |
| 08:02.19 | atari2600a | ubuntu |
| 08:02.27 | atari2600a | NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 08:08.50 | MaxFrames | can someone lend me a hand then? :) |
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| 08:17.49 | nobarking | does apple open source their OS? |
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| 08:18.38 | cahoot | maybe ask in #apple? |
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| 08:20.18 | MaxFrames | MacOS is based upon the open source Darwin OS AFAIK |
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| 08:20.35 | MaxFrames | all the rest is closed source |
| 08:21.12 | nobarking | MaxFrames: aha, thanks for the clearification |
| 08:22.18 | agent0range | how do i install sun's verison of java? |
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| 08:25.38 | MaxFrames | ok, i've solved one of the two problems, there was a syntax error and thus the e-mail was not sent; now it's fixed and the e-mail is sent |
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| 08:26.30 | MaxFrames | the problem so is that the smbclient "get" command seems to be not working... the resulting file has a content of "0" while the remote file has a content of "1"... thus the email is sent in every case |
| 08:26.35 | cahoot | agent0range: try /msg dpkg install java |
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| 08:27.12 | MaxFrames | the same sh script works perfectly if I run it manually from within a root shell: what do I have to do to make it run correctly at boot? |
| 08:27.53 | agent0range | im actually looking for the jdk |
| 08:28.20 | cahoot | agent0range: tried aptitude search jdk? |
| 08:28.33 | agent0range | yes. they are all the open alternatives |
| 08:28.57 | cahoot | maybe you need add non-free to sources |
| 08:30.12 | cahoot | scratch maybe |
| 08:30.39 | agent0range | i see. thanks cahoot |
| 08:31.16 | MaxFrames | is there a reason why smbclient should not run in a boot shell script (/etc/init.d)? |
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| 08:37.04 | MaxFrames | anybody? =( |
| 08:37.12 | frikinz | No network? |
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| 08:38.04 | MaxFrames | possibly... in which case, how could I workaround it? |
| 08:39.06 | frikinz | How do you have network enabled? through /etc/network/interface or through some kind of wicd or network-manager? |
| 08:39.11 | MaxFrames | mm, but wait, no, the script does two things: 1) copies a file from the smb share to a local folder and 2) puts a local file in the smb share; the 1) fails but the 2) succeeds |
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| 08:41.51 | MaxFrames | if the second operation succeeds I think the network is up... |
| 08:42.05 | frikinz | yes, at step 2/ maybe not at step 1/ |
| 08:42.33 | frikinz | I've had stupid timing problems but I think it was with upstatr |
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| 08:47.27 | MaxFrames | so are you suggesting to delay command 1) |
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| 09:02.06 | patrick-- | somiaj: as far as ive read php4 is not quite able to work with mysql5 |
| 09:03.35 | somiaj | hmm, I don't rember an issue -- that is more a php/mysql question. But you will need to have the php packages to connect to the server |
| 09:04.39 | Infin1ty|work | i have a weird acting server, i tried both stable lenny kernel and backports one, the server is having hard time resolving using libc i guess, using wget <url> takes around 1 min to resolve the host, using wget -4 <url> works smooth, i have ipv6 disabled, nothing in ifconfig, also disabled via sysctl, this is really annoying as the server is lagging a lot |
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| 09:05.36 | xand | really shouldn't be using php4 |
| 09:05.39 | xand | it's insecure |
| 09:05.49 | patrick-- | somiaj: well, isnt it a php/mysql question anyways? is there libs for connecting php4 to mysql5? |
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| 09:06.03 | patrick-- | xand: its not about should and shouldnt. its simply about: does it work. |
| 09:06.12 | xand | it's not relevant cos you shoulnd't use it |
| 09:06.27 | patrick-- | xand: then your statement is not relevant either. |
| 09:06.34 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 09:06.44 | xand | get off my internet |
| 09:06.49 | patrick-- | This is a customer requirement, and if he wants to generate a machine of death, then he may. |
| 09:07.05 | patrick-- | as long as he's going to take the blame, im fairly not interested. |
| 09:07.08 | patrick-- | your internet? :) |
| 09:07.10 | xand | that's unacceptable |
| 09:07.14 | patrick-- | bit harsh :) |
| 09:07.31 | patrick-- | of course its acceptable. customer is king - never heard of it? |
| 09:07.37 | xand | if they want to do that they should do it on a network not connected to the internet |
| 09:07.58 | patrick-- | if he wants to pay to have his old php4 websites running, then he will get the service. |
| 09:08.06 | patrick-- | he was told about the issues. |
| 09:08.14 | Polysics | i have done many things i am ashamed of in sysadmin work - as long as you have proffo, do whatever you are asked to :-) |
| 09:08.19 | patrick-- | ! |
| 09:08.23 | patrick-- | thank you. |
| 09:08.29 | Polysics | if it's something that should not be done ,ask 3 times and print the resulting email :-) |
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| 09:08.41 | patrick-- | xand: welcome to the world of sysadmining. |
| 09:09.01 | Polysics | i even have a couple printed email SIGNED by the customer :-) |
| 09:09.03 | patrick-- | its not always fuzzy puffy colorful clouds. |
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| 09:09.17 | Polysics | it's mostly shit-colored, moist, vaguely smelling ones |
| 09:09.21 | patrick-- | ! :) |
| 09:09.21 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 09:09.32 | patrick-- | dpkg-reconfigure YOURSELF! |
| 09:10.05 | patrick-- | Polysics: i had a legal agreement put together to distance my company from all the blame and fingerpointing for his php4 websites to be highjacked :) |
| 09:10.26 | juhaj | Does anyone know whether anyone actually reads team@security.debian.org? |
| 09:10.52 | juhaj | (I know I asked that earlier, but there were many screenfuls of joins (netsplit?) after that.) |
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| 09:11.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: several someones, i believe |
| 09:11.25 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Do they reply, too? I've sent them several emails now with no reply. |
| 09:11.29 | somiaj | patrick--: google was able to answre that question....http://mysqldatabaseadministration.blogspot.com/2005/10/mysql5-php4-troubleshooting-call-to.html |
| 09:11.38 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Very nice nick, btw. |
| 09:12.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: :) |
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| 09:12.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: I've never had to email them. aiui it can take a while for them to get back to you, but i doubt it would be more then a week or so |
| 09:13.10 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Over a month now. With local root exploit... |
| 09:13.20 | patrick-- | juhaj: ill look into it. |
| 09:13.29 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Luckily, hard to exploit, but still there |
| 09:13.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: i'd have expected a reply before a month |
| 09:13.36 | juhaj | (And it bites ME! =) ) |
| 09:13.40 | somiaj | patrick--: I was unaware but yes seems like you'll have to do some fidigiting with libs but aperentally you can get it to work |
| 09:13.51 | juhaj | patrick--: Thanks |
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| 09:14.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: iirc there is a page on www.d.o which talks about this, have you found it? |
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| 09:14.27 | patrick-- | somiaj: :) thanks. |
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| 09:17.27 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: About what? No I have not. I just use reportbug, it told me to talk to team@security.d.o. I dislike www (not just d.o. but in general), its usability is horrible |
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| 09:18.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: http://www.au.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 09:20.31 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Point 14 is what reportbug told me to do. I would expect an acknowledgment, though, so I know something is being done to it. |
| 09:21.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: nod. i don't know offhand who is in the security team, so i can't point you at other people to ping |
| 09:21.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: all i can suggest is trying on oftc instead of here on freenode |
| 09:21.55 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: I just noticed that, too... |
| 09:22.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: imo you should stop reading my mind :p |
| 09:22.44 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Why does everyone have to be on different irc networks, anyway? It used to be nice 15-20 years ago, when there was just one network... |
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| 09:22.54 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Why? O:) |
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| 09:23.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: too much work gone done ;) |
| 09:23.30 | tgywa | How can unzip ... file.tar.gz ? |
| 09:23.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | tgywa: its not a zip, use 'tar' |
| 09:24.18 | tgywa | Kamping_Kaiser, what does gz ... for? nor for ZIP? |
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| 09:24.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | gzip |
| 09:25.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | you'll find an example in the man page, ftr |
| 09:25.12 | tgywa | Kamping_Kaiser, I've tried tar ... but doesn't work ... I know that it should ... but what are the required options ? |
| 09:25.58 | frikinz | tgywa: aptitude install unp and then use unp |
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| 09:26.11 | tgywa | tar -xv php-5.2.14.tar.gz ... what about that? |
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| 09:26.24 | guillomovitch | hello |
| 09:26.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | tgywa: you're missing -f (per the man page) |
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| 09:27.09 | juhaj | tgywa: And you are missing z, too |
| 09:27.57 | tgywa | juhaj, tar -xvfz php-5.2.14.tar.gz ... didn't work? |
| 09:28.15 | tgywa | juhaj, tar -xvfz php-5.2.14.tar.gz ... didn't work ... why? |
| 09:28.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | tgywa: have you looked at the manual? |
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| 09:30.11 | juhaj | tgywa: tar xvzf php-5.2.14.tar.gz |
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| 09:30.55 | juhaj | tgywa: I am not sure if tar is crazy about ordering of its options (I think it is, if you group them like that), but at least the dash is unnecessary |
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| 09:32.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: the only option that has to be in place is f (for obvious reasons) |
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| 09:32.29 | tgywa | tar xvzf php-5.2.14.tar.gz ... didn't work either ... |
| 09:32.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: all others - afaik - can go whereever |
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| 09:35.19 | themill | wonders what's wrong with "aptitude install php5" |
| 09:36.12 | tgywa | Hi |
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| 09:36.43 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:36.59 | gypsymauro | I'm using squeeze and from 4-5 days my numpad doesn't works, any hint? |
| 09:37.14 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: No. Even f can be anywhere. Except "tar xvfz foo" tries to gunzip the file "z" and untar the file "foo" from the resulting gunzipped tar archive |
| 09:37.42 | themill | juhaj: that's an interesting version of "anywhere" |
| 09:38.06 | juhaj | themill: Well, it is a valid syntax, you just need to know what you are telling tar to do. |
| 09:38.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: not what i'd call anyware myself |
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| 09:41.17 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Well... it *can* go anywhere, it is just very inconvenient to put anywhere except last (if using the traditional syntax: with gnu --options it is trivial) |
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| 09:41.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | certainly agree on the gnu longopts bit :) |
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| 09:43.30 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: The --long-options are nice, I really like them, but for some reason I still use tar without them -- tar, ls and rsync, not much else. Those --long-options are so much easier to remember |
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| 09:44.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: good if you need clarity; if you already know what you are doing (and will remember in 6 months), short is much faster |
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| 09:47.12 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: I am rarely in SO much hurry that typing an extra couple of letters makes any difference. |
| 09:47.33 | Kamey | hay guys |
| 09:47.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: -v vs --verbose is 4x as many *grin* |
| 09:48.00 | Kamey | do you possibly know why debian installer refuses to accept my 'ath5k' driver choice? |
| 09:48.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kamey: in what context? |
| 09:49.05 | Kamey | i mean i'm trying to install debian 5.0.6 |
| 09:49.12 | gypsymauro | what's the best solution to deploy a linux desktop? use x protocol or something like nx? |
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| 09:49.34 | Kamey | and there's the "choose the driver [for your ethernet card" |
| 09:49.39 | Kamey | or sth |
| 09:49.51 | Kamey | i'm currently using atheros wireless card |
| 09:49.55 | linduxed | i want to search for all files that are not owned by a certain group, how would i do that? |
| 09:50.01 | Kamey | so i chose ath5k |
| 09:50.06 | Kamey | but nothing happens |
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| 09:50.20 | Kamey | i'm just seeing the same dialog box over and over again |
| 09:50.31 | kwork | linduxed, man find |
| 09:50.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | linduxed: find has an option for that, check its masks section |
| 09:50.49 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, and 4 pence is four times 1 penny, but I still do not care if something costs 1 or 4 pence... |
| 09:51.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kamey: odd. look on alt+f4 on the installer, it has debug messages |
| 09:51.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | gypsymauro: what do you mean deploy? |
| 09:51.38 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: It starts to change, of course, when the absolute value goes up: 10 vs 40 quid starts to make a difference, but there are no 10 letter long one-letter options =) |
| 09:51.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | juhaj: i have some pennys in my coin collection... grandfather left them to me :p |
| 09:52.14 | Kamey | thanks |
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| 09:53.19 | linduxed | Kamping_Kaiser: kwork: the problem for me is that i'm not sure how to find the inverse, the files _not_ being part of a stated group |
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| 09:55.00 | juhaj | Kamping_Kaiser: I hate them... they are as useless as 1 and 2 ¢ coins, which some more sane â¬-countries never even bothered to take into use =) |
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| 09:55.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | linduxed: find has a 'not' operator - ! |
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| 09:55.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | (that is, bang is the not operator) |
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| 09:55.30 | linduxed | Kamping_Kaiser: didn't see that in the manpage... |
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| 09:56.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | linduxed: under operators, '! expr' |
| 09:57.25 | linduxed | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you, that helped |
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| 09:58.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | linduxed: :) enjoy |
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| 10:02.47 | Neronix | I'm trying to install debian 5 lenny on a poweredge 1950, the HW list says my nics are compatible but they are not being recognized, any ideas? |
| 10:02.55 | Neronix | Its a Realtek 8139C |
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| 10:03.33 | Bushmills | Neronix, how does it show that they aren't "recognized"? |
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| 10:03.43 | tarzeau | Neronix: insert another nic |
| 10:03.59 | tarzeau | Bushmills: probably not listed in dmesg or ifconfig -a |
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| 10:04.22 | patrick-- | Where did cyrus-sasl2 disappear to? how come its not in the current stable repos ? |
| 10:04.22 | Neronix | im using a net install cd |
| 10:04.35 | Neronix | and it wont let me get past the network config section |
| 10:04.52 | Kamey | Neronix, high five |
| 10:04.58 | Neronix | They are both onboard nics, and I dont have a spare |
| 10:05.31 | Kamey | does anybody know how to put an ath9k driver on a pendrive so i can use it during debian installation? |
| 10:05.49 | Kamey | or the installer wants the windows one? ;] |
| 10:06.05 | jelly | patrick--: ? http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/cyrus-sasl2 |
| 10:06.09 | simonrvn | ... |
| 10:06.11 | kwork | didnt windows drivers need some master wrapper to work at all |
| 10:06.20 | Kamey | yeah |
| 10:06.25 | kwork | doesnot sound smt installer would have |
| 10:06.38 | jelly | ,versions libsasl2-2 |
| 10:06.38 | Kamey | but the linux drivers usually are included in the kernel right |
| 10:06.39 | judd | Package libsasl2-2 on i386 -- etch: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+etch1; etch-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+etch1; lenny: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; squeeze-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+squeeze1; sid: 2.1.23.dfsg1-6; squeeze: 2.1.23.dfsg1-6 |
| 10:06.50 | Bushmills | Neronix, during install, press alt-f2, then enter. look with lsmod|grep 8139 whether any module for those nics is loaded |
| 10:06.51 | Kamey | so how can i get the linux driver on the pendrive |
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| 10:06.59 | jelly | patrick--: seems to be there |
| 10:07.11 | kwork | Kamey, i would guess it depends on the hw, build the module for correct kernel, copy it to there load the module with installer? |
| 10:07.18 | patrick-- | jelly: only bin download? |
| 10:07.25 | Kamey | using windows now |
| 10:07.28 | Kamey | ;x |
| 10:07.29 | Bushmills | Neronix, then do ifconfig -a, look whether an eth0 shows |
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| 10:07.54 | simonrvn | !ndiswrapper |
| 10:07.54 | dpkg | NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows XP drivers for use in Linux (x86 and x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> or see http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:08.02 | jelly | patrick--: there's a link to the source in the page above; does your mirror not carry it? |
| 10:08.52 | patrick-- | jelly: this is weird. is there not a precompiled package to it? |
| 10:09.00 | patrick-- | im using standard lenny stable repos |
| 10:09.02 | simonrvn | of course there is |
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| 10:09.42 | patrick-- | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cyrus-sasl2&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 10:09.58 | jelly | patrick--: there're a lot of binary packages coming from that source. Read the link. |
| 10:10.26 | jelly | patrick--: "The following binary packages are built from this source package:" and then a list... I can't really see it be more clear that that |
| 10:10.48 | jelly | patrick--: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:10.51 | patrick-- | meaning i'd have to insatll one by one? |
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| 10:11.23 | patrick-- | i was searching for a more convenient way to install via a virtual package or similar. |
| 10:11.35 | jelly | !goal |
| 10:11.35 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 10:11.51 | patrick-- | install cyrus-sasl2 . |
| 10:12.23 | jelly | patrick--: why? |
| 10:12.43 | patrick-- | for a mailsystem?! |
| 10:13.22 | jelly | patrick--: which mailsystem? |
| 10:13.53 | patrick-- | jelly: its okay, ill figure it out myseslf. |
| 10:13.55 | patrick-- | thanks. |
| 10:14.02 | jelly | srsly, how hard can it be to say "I'm trying to set up postfix or dovecot or whatnot with sasl authentication" |
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| 10:14.33 | patrick-- | abbreviations for seriously? are you beeing serious? |
| 10:14.47 | SlayerXP | jelly: maybe he's setting up a mail server for his government and isn't allowed to go into detail |
| 10:15.09 | jelly | patrick--: I use the lolcat word as an idiom. |
| 10:15.52 | patrick-- | that doesnt make it less stupid. |
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| 10:16.56 | project2501a | morning debian |
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| 10:31.16 | Cyneox | hi! is there any way to create a bridge between 2 wi-fi cards? one is connected to the Internet via wpa_supplicant, the other one should act as an AP .. any ideas? |
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| 10:43.00 | sanzilla | hi all, I just unpacked my new laptop http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/Aspire_4741 need help |
| 10:43.06 | sanzilla | on configuring the drivers. |
| 10:43.09 | sanzilla | please. |
| 10:43.20 | sanzilla | I can give you some money if you so.But be in real. |
| 10:43.37 | sanzilla | I need the download links urgently. |
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| 10:43.52 | sanzilla | hi is there any device driver expert here? |
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| 10:44.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell sanzilla about doesn't work |
| 10:44.58 | babilen | sanzilla: What exactly do you need help with? What have you done so far? |
| 10:45.20 | sanzilla | the audio driver |
| 10:45.36 | sanzilla | Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05) |
| 10:45.38 | sanzilla | what was that? |
| 10:45.46 | sanzilla | where to download it? |
| 10:46.00 | sanzilla | or is it be mentioned in the kernel configuration? |
| 10:46.02 | babilen | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 10:46.02 | sanzilla | or what? |
| 10:46.04 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 10:46.39 | babilen | sanzilla: Which version of Debian do you use? Which kernel do you use? |
| 10:48.16 | sanzilla | I don't know what is the kernel version 2.6 I think,I'll check it.However the DVD is going to use is debian-505-ia64-DVD-1 |
| 10:48.57 | EmleyMoor | ia64? |
| 10:49.17 | sanzilla | ya |
| 10:49.41 | EmleyMoor | has never even seen any ia64 hardware... |
| 10:49.46 | babilen | sanzilla: That is definitely the wrong image for your laptop. You want the *amd64* image and either (i) An image from kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) or (ii) install Squeeze |
| 10:50.21 | sanzilla | what the fsck is Squeeze? |
| 10:50.29 | sanzilla | oky googling. |
| 10:50.30 | EmleyMoor | sanzilla: Testing |
| 10:50.34 | EmleyMoor | (presently) |
| 10:50.46 | babilen | sanzilla: I would suggest to install squeeze. The reason for that is, that you need a newer kernel version for most of your hardware. (audio, nic, ...) |
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| 10:51.09 | babilen | !install squeeze |
| 10:51.09 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
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| 10:55.19 | sanzilla | so what is 8086:3b3c? |
| 10:55.30 | sanzilla | so using that can I search for drivers? |
| 10:55.33 | sanzilla | kool! |
| 10:55.41 | sanzilla | he he. |
| 10:56.01 | babilen | sanzilla: You might find http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ interesting |
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| 10:57.17 | sanzilla | so what I have to download? |
| 10:57.27 | sanzilla | amd64? |
| 10:57.34 | sanzilla | or just the kernel image? |
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| 10:57.57 | babilen | !why amd64 |
| 10:57.57 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 10:58.05 | sanzilla | or install debian using that above downloaded DVD and change the cornel image later in grub? |
| 10:58.08 | sanzilla | will it work? |
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| 10:58.31 | babilen | sanzilla: No, you will not be able to use an ia64 image for the installation. |
| 10:58.37 | ajsie | how do you simulate the UP key in the command line? |
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| 10:59.15 | sanzilla | so then what? |
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| 10:59.34 | sanzilla | I need amd64 DVD |
| 10:59.41 | babilen | sanzilla: Use an amd64 image (or i386 for 32bit) |
| 10:59.44 | sanzilla | that comes with amd64 installation. |
| 10:59.46 | sanzilla | right. |
| 10:59.53 | nsadmin | why dvd? |
| 10:59.58 | nsadmin | why not netinst? |
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| 11:00.04 | babilen | ^^^^^ |
| 11:00.06 | sanzilla | Oky where? |
| 11:00.10 | mjmt | ajsie: ^P and ^N should work for command history. |
| 11:00.36 | ajsie | cool |
| 11:01.06 | ajsie | mjmt: it said "substituion error" |
| 11:01.50 | paccer | In Ubuntu, there is a linux-virtual package containing latest kernel for virtual machines (vmware esxi in my case) - does anyone know if theres something similar for Debian? |
| 11:01.59 | mjmt | What said what now? |
| 11:02.26 | paccer | running debian as guest os |
| 11:03.06 | sanzilla | I'm feeling like a complete noob now but where the netinstall image downloader link? |
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| 11:03.19 | sanzilla | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32-5 |
| 11:03.27 | sanzilla | nt there???? |
| 11:03.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell sanzilla -about install squeeze |
| 11:03.43 | sanzilla | those are kernel imaes not install images |
| 11:03.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell sanzilla -about install kmuto |
| 11:03.46 | paccer | that would be the non-virtual version, i guess |
| 11:04.12 | nsadmin | are there netinstalls for squeeze? |
| 11:04.33 | nsadmin | there should be if it's desired for people to test it |
| 11:04.43 | EmleyMoor | paccer: I don't know of any ready-VMs... but nothing to stop you starting a fresh VM using an installer image |
| 11:04.46 | EmleyMoor | nsadmin: There are |
| 11:04.47 | babilen | sanzilla: The first contains a link to the "daily-builds" of the testing installer (which *might* be broken) and the latter to the stable kmuto images (stable+newer kernel) |
| 11:05.02 | paccer | EmleyMoor: im not asking for a ready VM |
| 11:05.10 | nsadmin | is sound the only issue? |
| 11:05.14 | EmleyMoor | paccer: What are you asking for? |
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| 11:05.27 | paccer | EmleyMoor: asking for a kernel built specificly for running on a virtual guest |
| 11:05.31 | nsadmin | maybe he should install lenny base and upgrade |
| 11:05.37 | EmleyMoor | There is no specific such build |
| 11:05.41 | babilen | sanzilla: Have you actually installed anything? (I doubt it, but want to clarify that point) |
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| 11:06.08 | paccer | EmleyMoor: guess you answered my question then - there is a linux-virtual package for ubuntu though |
| 11:06.15 | babilen | nsadmin: It looks as if the NIC in that laptop has problems with a 2.6.26 kernel, hence my suggestion to use either kmuto or a squeeze installer |
| 11:06.16 | paccer | and theres linux-image-xxx-xen etc also |
| 11:06.20 | paccer | but i see no vmware related |
| 11:06.22 | ajsie | how do i use the "history" command to fire the latest command? |
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| 11:06.27 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 11:06.45 | nsadmin | does it have a nic and a wireless? |
| 11:06.50 | babilen | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:07.11 | babilen | nsadmin: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/Aspire_4741 â the machine we are talking about |
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| 11:07.32 | sanzilla | so http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/ so then I haveto download that vmlinuz and initrd.gz and load them using grub ? right? Without parameters ? will it wok? |
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| 11:07.36 | nsadmin | has he looked at that page? |
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| 11:07.56 | babilen | nsadmin: Good question :) |
| 11:08.20 | nsadmin | sanzilla, well? |
| 11:08.22 | babilen | sanzilla: Again: *What* have you done so far? What is your current status? Is sound the only issue you are facing? |
| 11:09.08 | sanzilla | no sounds , wireless , network and screen sizei |
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| 11:09.33 | sanzilla | and tand they told I could use the camera too. |
| 11:09.43 | EmleyMoor | sanzilla: Have you got an otherwise-working install of Debian on it? |
| 11:09.53 | babilen | sanzilla: "they" ? Have you actually installed Debian on that computer yet? |
| 11:10.19 | nsadmin | which they is they? |
| 11:10.28 | sanzilla | I run the i386 live CD , But sound nt working and network too. |
| 11:10.53 | sanzilla | they = the moron who wrote this http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/Aspire_4741 |
| 11:11.02 | sanzilla | *he |
| 11:11.02 | babilen | sanzilla: Ok, thanks for that information. And you plan to install Debian on it, but you haven't done that yet. Correct? |
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| 11:11.13 | EmleyMoor | sanzilla: In that case, you need to read the installer web page and prepare something to install from |
| 11:11.16 | sanzilla | ya |
| 11:11.20 | sanzilla | only run the live |
| 11:11.45 | sanzilla | becaue of problems in live I guess |
| 11:11.56 | sanzilla | so as you told netinstall |
| 11:11.59 | babilen | sanzilla: Well. You know what to do now. Either use a kmuto stable installer or a daily-build of squeeze. |
| 11:12.00 | sanzilla | using usb image. |
| 11:12.00 | tgywa | How can I make a custom PHP 5.2. package ? |
| 11:12.08 | nsadmin | he offered money before... given he's using abusive language, maybe someone shoudl take it |
| 11:12.13 | abrotman | !tell tgywa about source |
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| 11:12.29 | babilen | sanzilla: You don't have to use a USB image do you? (The machine has a CD driveâ½) |
| 11:12.51 | jelly | steals babilen's interrobang |
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| 11:13.16 | babilen | is moping |
| 11:13.34 | jelly | doesn't careâ½ |
| 11:14.19 | collabra | what file do i have to edit to prevent the GUI from loading,... I would like to start it manually by 'startx' |
| 11:14.21 | babilen | Well, I guess it is old style now?! Thanks jelly :-\ (enough ot though) |
| 11:14.26 | abrotman | !tell collabra about nodm |
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| 11:15.24 | kwork | any ideas what signals to send to proccess so it would release the lock on logfile and start writing to new one (old one is mved to other name) |
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| 11:16.17 | abrotman | kwork: SIGHUP usually |
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| 11:17.57 | jelly | however if it doesn't have a handler for HUP it might die |
| 11:18.11 | kwork | abrotman, is there any other signals commonly used? |
| 11:18.25 | abrotman | kwork: maybe you should give us more info ? |
| 11:18.33 | mantz | considering there is a squeeze release notes factoid: is squeeze release fairly near? |
| 11:18.39 | kwork | abrotman, it isnt common application sorry, not really much to give |
| 11:18.40 | abrotman | jelly: i know .. but that will make it switch to the new log file :) |
| 11:18.58 | abrotman | mantz: a few months likely ... |
| 11:19.03 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>, <guess the release date>. |
| 11:19.26 | mantz | yay christmas! |
| 11:19.30 | nsadmin | kwork, as opposed to figuring common signal usage, howbout reviewing the man page and see what signals it actually responds to, and how it responds |
| 11:20.06 | kwork | nsadmin, it isnt documented :( |
| 11:20.20 | abrotman | mantz: there is no set date .. it will be released when it is ready .. sooner if you help! .. really, the RC bugs have to reach zero and the goals should be met |
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| 11:20.34 | nsadmin | if it's a debian-shipped package, that would be a bug |
| 11:20.43 | kwork | nsadmin, it isnt debian shipped |
| 11:20.53 | mantz | is currently installing a debian for a remote location. so I was thinking about the possibility of squeeze |
| 11:21.06 | abrotman | mantz: if it's internet-facing, that would be unwise |
| 11:21.06 | nsadmin | you could check the source you built it from |
| 11:21.31 | abrotman | assuming it has source? |
| 11:21.34 | qwd | Debian Squeeze. I can't send encrypted emails with Evolution. This is the error message I'm getting http://debian.pastebin.com/6wRyJa28 but it's not right since I *have* chosen the the primary key mentioned. |
| 11:21.37 | kwork | nsadmin, yes that was going to be my step 2 after tryn out "common" signals for that purpouse |
| 11:21.46 | mantz | it can be internet facing. squeeze cause then the upgrade to squeez++ would be later. instead of fairly soonish (2 year) squeeze update |
| 11:21.46 | kwork | nsadmin, im not really profficent with code so its kinda hard for me to figure it out from there |
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| 11:21.53 | kwork | but anyways thanks for help ill look into it |
| 11:22.11 | nsadmin | btw, if it's not documented, perhaps you can find a replacement that is? |
| 11:22.20 | abrotman | mantz: yes, but squeeze doesn't really have any security updates |
| 11:22.26 | abrotman | erm .. security support |
| 11:22.32 | mantz | true |
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| 11:24.16 | nsadmin | even if you're not as proficient as you want to be, you can still look |
| 11:24.28 | ov3rmind | :) |
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| 11:26.00 | nsadmin | kwork, so you did build it from source? |
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| 11:28.09 | krasi | I need to down a network interface on debian server , using web page served on the same machine with apache 2 , i think to do that with cgi-bin script , but bash command "ip link set dev eth2 down" need to be run as root , how to do that ? |
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| 11:28.27 | kwork | nsadmin, yes i did |
| 11:28.31 | frikinz | Does anyone know how to get aufs module for something else than lenny? Now that they have removed all the binary modules, it's a pain. It also does not show in module-assistant. |
| 11:28.52 | tomodachi | frikinz: maybe aufs through fuse? |
| 11:29.39 | frikinz | tomodachi: I don't really want fuse. |
| 11:29.53 | nsadmin | kwork: what does it do? you could look at other packages with daemons that produce logs in later debians and see how the log rotation works |
| 11:30.12 | frikinz | I actually don't understand why aufs is not part of the std kernel. |
| 11:30.38 | kwork | nsadmin, its tld central registry system |
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| 11:32.02 | kwork | nsadmin, most likely need to figure from code does it even support log rotation |
| 11:32.14 | kwork | nsadmin, sadly the configuration doesnot suggest anything in that directioh |
| 11:32.52 | kwork | i dont even know why one should build application without syslog support |
| 11:32.54 | kwork | seems nonsense to me |
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| 11:33.10 | abrotman | krasi: you'd have set the script to be suid .. but this is extremely risky |
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| 11:33.23 | nsadmin | maybe you could change that |
| 11:34.36 | frikinz | and aufs-source is quite broken, debian/ does not have a control file. Wtf |
| 11:35.06 | nsadmin | not a debian package? |
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| 11:36.06 | krasi | abrotman: putting www user in sudoers with NOPASSWD , only for this script , is risky ? |
| 11:36.15 | abrotman | frikinz: the source package? or the aufs-source ? |
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| 11:36.33 | abrotman | krasi: that's up to you |
| 11:36.35 | frikinz | aufs-source. which source package are you talking about? |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | frikinz: there are also the binary source packages ... different than what you're talking about |
| 11:36.59 | frikinz | aufs-source is really broken. First line of the makefile: include $(M)/debian/conf.mk |
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| 11:37.26 | abrotman | frikinz: did you try to build it? m-a a-i aufs ? |
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| 11:37.36 | RedNifre | Hello there! |
| 11:38.45 | frikinz | abrotman: why doesn't it show up in "select" in m-a? with your command it fails, have to read some logs |
| 11:39.01 | abrotman | judd: info aufs-source |
| 11:39.02 | judd | Package aufs-source (misc, optional) in lenny/i386: Source for the aufs driver. Version: 0+20080719-4; Size: 220.3k; Installed: 228k; Homepage: http://aufs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:39.07 | abrotman | judd: versions aufs-source |
| 11:39.09 | judd | Package aufs-source on i386 -- etch-backports: 0+20070806-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0+20080719-4 |
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| 11:39.32 | abrotman | frikinz: is it even a module ? if you install the package, look in /usr/share/aufs-source/ or whatever iti s .. see how it says to build it |
| 11:40.01 | RedNifre | I have to do some CLI stuff here, which I never did on Debian. How can I find out which version of Debian is installed? |
| 11:40.19 | tomodachi | frikinz: i want stability, and to my knowledge that is not something i got using the aufs module wich acording to kernel developers seemed "fit" for use in the mainline kernel.. |
| 11:40.22 | nsadmin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:40.24 | frikinz | abrotman: the package contains 2 changelogs and the /usr/src/aufs.tgz which contains no readme, no licence file and can not build. but from m-a it goes further |
| 11:40.34 | krasi | abrotman: I tryed this , but get this error - no passwd entry for www! , what i am wrong ? |
| 11:40.42 | frikinz | tomodachi: hummmm good to know. stability is my first criteria |
| 11:40.47 | abrotman | there's no passwd for the www-data user |
| 11:40.57 | tomodachi | frikinz: using fuse at least you decrease the probability kernelpanicing your system with aufs and also get a fairly "generic" way of getting it working |
| 11:40.58 | RedNifre | nsadmin: That file seems to be empty. |
| 11:41.05 | abrotman | frikinz: it might not be setup for m-a |
| 11:41.22 | RedNifre | The NAS was advertised as having a "modified debian". (It's a Netgear ReadyNAS Duo) |
| 11:41.35 | tomodachi | frikinz: possibly it has gotten better with time but a year ago or so i got frequents stability issues because of aufs |
| 11:41.46 | frikinz | awww how do I then build a stable debian running on read only.. they say aufs is much more stable than unionfs.. |
| 11:42.12 | tomodachi | any direct knowledge i had is probably outdatet by now |
| 11:42.19 | tomodachi | but check for aufs + fuse or somthing |
| 11:42.21 | tomodachi | it might get you started |
| 11:42.24 | RedNifre | If I run apt-get, do the updates come from Debian or from some Netgear repository? |
| 11:42.30 | nsadmin | said NAS manufacturer must provide sources and diffs for at least some of the packages it runs |
| 11:42.49 | RedNifre | Would OpenJDK work on it? |
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| 11:43.14 | abrotman | frikinz: what do you mean read-only ? |
| 11:43.27 | RedNifre | Debian has SPARC support for OpenJDK, so how severe is that it's a modified debian? |
| 11:43.29 | nsadmin | if the file is empty, it's probably not debian ("modified debian" is also a clue of that) |
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| 11:43.55 | RedNifre | But the file "debian_version" exists.. |
| 11:43.59 | frikinz | tomodachi: but if aufs is unstable, why would putting it on top of fuse solve problems? no more freeze but still filesystem corruption? |
| 11:44.08 | nsadmin | and has zero length? |
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| 11:44.15 | frikinz | abrotman: I run it on a compact flash. |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | frikinz: how were you expecting to build/compile anything on a read-only filesystem ? |
| 11:44.52 | RedNifre | I mean, would installing OpenJDK via apt-get screw up everything, or is the worst thing that could happen that I get an error like "your debian version is not supported by the repositories" or something like that? |
| 11:45.18 | nsadmin | no idea. |
| 11:45.38 | frikinz | abrotman: well, currently it's not read only but has to be. CF is limited to ~10'000 write cycle. |
| 11:45.39 | nsadmin | so far everything suggests it's not debian |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | RedNifre: or it hoses the NAS .. maybe you sohuld call them and ask |
| 11:46.15 | krasi | abrotman: is a good idea to use php instaed cgi , in terms of security ? |
| 11:46.17 | abrotman | frikinz: moment |
| 11:46.27 | abrotman | krasi: you'd have the same issue likely |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | frikinz: you do realize there are pre-compiled modules for the lenny kernels, right ? |
| 11:47.04 | nsadmin | when you run: apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version |
| 11:47.09 | nsadmin | do you get one line? |
| 11:47.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: why not apt-cache policy ? |
| 11:47.23 | frikinz | abrotman: yes but I also have a little hardware thingy than need at least 2.6.32. |
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| 11:47.29 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 11:48.00 | frikinz | abrotman: yes, otherwise life would be too simple |
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| 11:48.35 | RedNifre | Hmpf, I get the error "Couldn't find package openjdk-6-jre". So I guess this means that there is no pre compiled version for my NAS on the Debian servers? |
| 11:48.52 | RedNifre | ...or the Netgear Servers? How can I check where apt-get gets its software from? |
| 11:48.59 | nsadmin | when you run: apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version |
| 11:49.00 | nsadmin | do you get one line? |
| 11:49.14 | abrotman | RedNifre: maybe you sohuld call them and ask, you're NOT using Debian .. how would we know what will happen |
| 11:49.38 | RedNifre | nas:/etc# apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version |
| 11:49.38 | RedNifre | Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6.infrant1 |
| 11:49.38 | RedNifre | Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
| 11:49.42 | abrotman | wonders how he got a server without binutils |
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| 11:49.54 | RedNifre | is that a regular version number, or some special one? |
| 11:49.56 | abrotman | RedNifre: there is no OpenJDK for sarge |
| 11:50.10 | RedNifre | Why not? |
| 11:50.23 | abrotman | because it was released in 2003? |
| 11:50.33 | abrotman | OpenJDK isn't even that old |
| 11:50.43 | abrotman | erm sorry .. 2005 |
| 11:51.10 | nsadmin | it shows that the software you have is fairly old... I think it went woody, sarge, etch, lenny |
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| 11:51.24 | jelly | I think !release history |
| 11:51.27 | RedNifre | Hm... how hard is this "compiling from source" I keep hearing about? ;) |
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| 11:51.52 | nsadmin | does your NAS have lotsa ram and disk space? |
| 11:51.55 | abrotman | jelly: yeah, i was wrong, it was 2005, woody was 2002 |
| 11:51.56 | jelly | RedNifre: building java from scratch on an embedded device? forget it |
| 11:51.57 | nsadmin | fast cpu? |
| 11:51.58 | RedNifre | Could I compile OpenJDK for sarge? Or why exactly is in not available? Is it not possible or did just nobody bother to compile it for sarge? |
| 11:52.21 | jelly | RedNifre: why do you need it anyway? |
| 11:52.22 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure it's been done |
| 11:52.29 | abrotman | frikinz: there is a debian/ in the package .. did you try using debuild ? |
| 11:53.19 | RedNifre | I want to set up a Minecraft server for my two room mates and me. We already got it set up on an old computer, but we think it would safe a lot of power (and be way cooler) if the server would run on my NAS. |
| 11:53.34 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 11:53.39 | abrotman | it's not debian .. it's old .. |
| 11:53.53 | RedNifre | That NAS is actually pretty cool, I already set it up to automatically fetch podcasts for me and it's also hosting my website (dokuwiki). |
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| 11:54.10 | abrotman | RedNifre: Your best bet would be to get a Mini-ITX and run a modern distro on there ... |
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| 11:54.19 | jelly | RedNifre: I'd bring up a chroot with a proper recent debian release and use existing packages in there |
| 11:54.46 | abrotman | can't even imagine a circa-2005 machine would have enough power to run it |
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| 11:54.54 | RedNifre | Getting it set up would also be a good learning excercise for me since I want to know more about Linux. |
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| 11:55.38 | abrotman | frikinz: ? |
| 11:55.45 | frikinz | abrotman: hum I am used to dpkg-build-package but let's try debuild |
| 11:55.46 | RedNifre | The Minecraft people said that it might run. Only the terrain generation would be terrible slow, but that has to be done only once in the beginning (and later if you walk far) |
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| 11:55.53 | jelly | has an etch chroot for his NAS because the hardware isn't arm5 and can't run armel |
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| 11:56.13 | frikinz | abrotman: $debuild => test: 1: -lt: unexpected operator |
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| 11:56.27 | jelly | RedNifre: how much ram is there? which cpu / MHz? |
| 11:56.41 | abrotman | frikinz: on lenny? |
| 11:56.43 | RedNifre | Very little: 256 MB RAM, 300 MHz. |
| 11:57.04 | frikinz | abrotman: erm no, on unstable. otherwise I'd install the lenny bin module :) |
| 11:57.26 | RedNifre | Did I understand this correctly: If compiling from source, it has to be done on the target machine? I can't compile on my desktop for my NAS? |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | frikinz: you do realize that there is no aufs-source package for unstable? |
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| 11:57.58 | jelly | RedNifre: you'd need to set up a crosscompiling environment |
| 11:58.29 | RedNifre | How hard is this? |
| 11:58.35 | trifler | 4 |
| 11:58.47 | jelly | RedNifre: it's tricky |
| 11:58.49 | RedNifre | At least it's not 5. |
| 11:58.55 | frikinz | abrotman: yes but I expected the source to be built against unstable. it's like backporting but opposite or? :) |
| 11:59.08 | abrotman | it's like .. forward-porting ? |
| 11:59.14 | frikinz | yes |
| 11:59.23 | RedNifre | ??? |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | frikinz: well .. that makes more sense .. the aufs modules are already in the Debian kernels |
| 12:00.38 | RedNifre | What would be the appropriate channel to learn more about setting up cross compiling environments? |
| 12:00.55 | frikinz | abrotman: FATAL: Module aufs not found. |
| 12:01.00 | abrotman | frikinz: uname -r ? |
| 12:01.06 | frikinz | abrotman: I have had hope for 2 sec |
| 12:01.21 | abrotman | judd: kconfig AUFS sid |
| 12:01.22 | judd | (kconfig <config string> [--release <release name>]) -- Outputs the kernel configs that match the given string, optionally restricted to an individual release. The pattern will have wildcards automatically added around it. |
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| 12:01.31 | abrotman | judd: kconfig AUFS --release sid |
| 12:01.32 | judd | Searching for 'AUFS' in sid kernel config gives AUFS_FS=m AUFS_BRANCH_MAX_127=y AUFS_BDEV_LOOP=y. |
| 12:01.34 | frikinz | abrotman: 2.6.35-trunk-amd64 :) Which one has it |
| 12:01.35 | RedNifre | I mean, is cross compiling really necessary? Couldn't I compile it in 256 RAM at 300 MHz with a lot of swapping and running it for 24h? |
| 12:01.42 | frikinz | oops |
| 12:01.43 | abrotman | frikinz: well .. there's a HUGE issue .. |
| 12:01.58 | frikinz | abrotman: no, that's frm experimental, it's okay :) |
| 12:02.02 | frikinz | ahhh it's in sid. |
| 12:02.07 | abrotman | frikinz: so is a .32 kernel |
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| 12:02.58 | frikinz | but it's even removed from 2.6.36 vanilla.. humm scary |
| 12:03.08 | abrotman | that doesn't mean it's not in the debian kernel |
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| 12:03.24 | frikinz | it's not even in staging. I wonder why. |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | frikinz: so what's wrong with the .32 in sid already? |
| 12:03.50 | frikinz | abrotman: yes but why would'nt it have been integrated in linus kernel |
| 12:04.00 | frikinz | abrotman: ath9k_htc |
| 12:04.01 | abrotman | frikinz: because he's a benevolent dictator? :) |
| 12:04.23 | frikinz | abrotman: can you ask judd if ath9k_htc is in .32 on sid please ? |
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| 12:05.08 | abrotman | judd: kconfig ath9k --release sid |
| 12:05.08 | judd | Searching for 'ath9k' in sid kernel config gives ATH9K=m. |
| 12:05.14 | abrotman | judd: kconfig ath9k --release experimental |
| 12:05.15 | frikinz | arggggg |
| 12:05.16 | judd | Searching for 'ath9k' in experimental kernel config gives ATH9K_HW=m ATH9K_COMMON=m ATH9K=m ATH9K_HTC=m. |
| 12:05.25 | frikinz | ath9k_HTC <-- important |
| 12:05.28 | abrotman | judd: kconfig AUFS --release experimental |
| 12:05.30 | judd | Searching for 'AUFS' in experimental kernel config gives no results. |
| 12:05.35 | abrotman | frikinz: or get a new wifi card! |
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| 12:05.54 | frikinz | abrotman: find one that works and has an external antenna to be plugged on usb. good luck |
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| 12:06.04 | frikinz | the best was ndiswrapper |
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| 12:06.21 | frikinz | judd: kconfig ath9k_htc |
| 12:06.23 | judd | Searching for 'ath9k_htc' in lenny kernel config gives no results. |
| 12:06.29 | frikinz | judd: kconfig ath9k_htc --release sid |
| 12:06.31 | judd | Searching for 'ath9k_htc' in sid kernel config gives no results. |
| 12:06.35 | frikinz | :( |
| 12:06.38 | abrotman | frikinz: it does wildcard searching |
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| 12:07.15 | abrotman | can't you just rip the usb device and solder on an antenna? :) |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | i should note that the mifi card my boss got yesterday was usb and had an external antenna attachment |
| 12:07.55 | frikinz | abrotman: which one? |
| 12:08.03 | frikinz | tell him to not reboot his pc :) |
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| 12:08.28 | abrotman | it's verizon, and it's windows :( |
| 12:08.51 | ibansal_ | hi can one guide me on how can we import the new source ball once we run the command uscan |
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| 12:09.28 | ibansal_ | import new source ball into older package made using older version source ball |
| 12:09.39 | abrotman | frikinz: http://aufs.sourceforge.net/ .. have fun! :) |
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| 12:10.07 | frikinz | abrotman: or I take knoppix kernel |
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| 12:10.15 | frikinz | or ubuntu's |
| 12:10.19 | frikinz | ;) j/k |
| 12:10.50 | abrotman | would just build it |
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| 12:11.04 | frikinz | just because of bts 517130 |
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| 12:11.32 | frikinz | abrotman: I will probably yes but then I wonder how the update will be done when the box is not in my office anymore.. |
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| 12:11.44 | Spider_F1ed | hi I dont really understand DE and WM stuff, can I just use awesome without DE? and if not what difference it will be between awesome in gnome and xfce? |
| 12:11.44 | abrotman | frikinz: where is it going ? |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | Spider_F1ed: in gnome, awesome would be the window manager .. you don't need gnome |
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| 12:12.29 | Spider_F1ed | so I can run it without DE? |
| 12:12.48 | frikinz | abrotman: at my customer's place.. don't really want to give details. |
| 12:12.57 | frikinz | NDA blabla... |
| 12:12.58 | ibansal_ | abrotman, i want to upgrade my package from version 34 to 35 |
| 12:13.03 | abrotman | frikinz: that's fine |
| 12:13.10 | abrotman | ibansal_: need more details |
| 12:13.38 | abrotman | Spider_F1ed: of course, many people do .. you just should make yourself familiar with navigating awesome before you start using it .. or make sure you at least know how to exit it :) |
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| 12:13.56 | ibansal_ | abrotman, i am maintaining a sugar activity and want to merge the new source ball for version 35 into my package |
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| 12:14.27 | abrotman | ibansal_: there's a program called uupdate .. i've never used sugarcrm .. no clue what will happen, be careful |
| 12:14.31 | lelu | is there any way that someone could log into my server on an account I have recently changed the password to? |
| 12:14.37 | Spider_F1ed | abrotman: I know:) I am using VirtuaBox to find out what would I like most |
| 12:14.40 | abrotman | lelu: yes .. |
| 12:15.09 | lelu | abrotman: how? |
| 12:15.16 | ibansal_ | abrotman, like when i ran uscan it downloaded the new version package in the package repo |
| 12:15.20 | lelu | google has revealed fruitless results |
| 12:15.25 | abrotman | lelu: was the accoutn previously compromised? |
| 12:15.42 | ibansal_ | i just need the command to import the source ball into my package |
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| 12:16.20 | lelu | abrotman: i dont believe so, however i have been noticing several (maybe 8 times in the past year) logins using that account from ip's I don't recognise. My log server shows no changes made tho and the log server is secure afaik. |
| 12:17.07 | abrotman | lelu: potentially, it could have been compromised a year ago, and they could have setup ssh keys to allow them access |
| 12:17.44 | abrotman | among other things |
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| 12:18.09 | lelu | abrotman: hmm.. well i best be safe and just wipe the system and recover data from a secure source. |
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| 12:20.29 | lelu | it is odd that it is always from the same ip address. but if it was a clients of mine then it would have stopped when i changed the password. i guess you live and you learn this is only the second time in ten years. |
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| 12:23.27 | Pol-ack | hi, what's up with linux-headers, I'm compiling driver needing usbatm.h so i install headers but it doesn't have it |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | what is uname -r? |
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| 12:25.15 | Pol-ack | obviously it's in kernel source, so what's headers for anyway if it does'n have headers |
| 12:25.24 | abrotman | Pol-ack: what is your uname -r ? |
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| 12:26.49 | Pol-ack | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 12:26.59 | abrotman | dpkg: find usbatm.h lenny |
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| 12:27.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usbatm.h' (3 of 8): (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64. |
| 12:28.14 | Pol-ack | isn't that searching in already installed packages so it won/t find it |
| 12:28.30 | abrotman | bleh |
| 12:28.34 | abrotman | dpkg: find usb/usbatm.h lenny |
| 12:28.42 | abrotman | the bot has its own database |
| 12:28.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usb/usbatm.h' returned no results. |
| 12:28.58 | abrotman | are you sure it's usbatm.h ? |
| 12:29.03 | Coweater | it doesn't seem to be in debian kernels, not sure why as i see mentions of it on the kernel mailing list for 2.6.34 |
| 12:29.32 | abrotman | it's not on squeeze either |
| 12:29.59 | Pol-ack | obviously it is in source /drivers/usb/atm/usbatm.h |
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| 12:30.10 | abrotman | i just showed you .. it's not |
| 12:30.13 | jelly | judd: file usb/usbatm.h |
| 12:30.15 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 12:30.25 | jelly | judd: file usb/usbatm.h --release sid |
| 12:30.28 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 12:30.31 | abrotman | the bot would have found it in the -source package |
| 12:30.41 | Pol-ack | i see it in my kernel source from distro |
| 12:30.49 | jelly | abrotman: or -headersâ½ |
| 12:30.57 | abrotman | jelly: right, but he's quoting the source |
| 12:31.05 | abrotman | Pol-ack: which kernel source package? |
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| 12:31.20 | L0fls | hey |
| 12:31.20 | jelly | judd: file usb/xusbatm.h |
| 12:31.20 | frikinz | bye bye aufs, welcome hacking of links and tmpfs |
| 12:31.22 | judd | usb/xusbatm.h in lenny/i386: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-686: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-686/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-vserver-686: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-vserver-686/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64: |
| 12:31.24 | judd | usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-openvz-686: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-openvz-686/include/config/usb/xusbatm.h; linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem: (1 more message) |
| 12:31.33 | L0fls | check out my website plz http://forums.jimbo-slice.com/index.php |
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| 12:31.40 | jelly | L0fls: please don't spam. |
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| 12:32.52 | jelly | that filename has an extra x |
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| 12:33.44 | Pol-ack | linux-source-2.6.26_2.6.26-25lenny |
| 12:34.12 | Coweater | that's odd, there's a kernel object for usbatm but no associated header |
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| 12:34.41 | abrotman | Coweater: there's a module you m ean? |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | Pol-ack: use a pastebin, show us please |
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| 12:35.04 | Coweater | yes .ko file |
| 12:36.10 | abrotman | AIUI, they can name that .ko whatever they want, right ? |
| 12:36.41 | Pol-ack | show what? that header inside source? Shouldn't it be that headers package have all headers from full source? |
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| 12:37.43 | nsadmin | linux-source-* won't have configured headers; those are built from the source |
| 12:38.18 | nsadmin | the source configuration influences content of headers |
| 12:39.26 | abrotman | Pol-ack: which directory has that file in your source tree ? |
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| 12:40.40 | abrotman | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26$ find . -name "*usbatm*" |
| 12:40.40 | abrotman | ./drivers/usb/atm/usbatm.h |
| 12:41.25 | abrotman | bleh .. judd didn't find it because it's in the tarball |
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| 12:42.28 | Pol-ack | the one you listed |
| 12:42.38 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 12:43.47 | abrotman | let me try to rebuild it |
| 12:43.56 | Pol-ack | so what's up with that, should that be that way or just broken? |
| 12:44.48 | abrotman | rebuilding now .. give me a few |
| 12:45.22 | jelly | Pol-ack: it might be broken, or it might be an internal header, not under linux/include/, and not meant for use by external sources |
| 12:45.55 | abrotman | should have set that CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
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| 12:47.25 | Pol-ack | second , Make KERNERDIR variable is /lib/modules/.../~build which links to /usr/include/headers... and not usr/src/kernelsource , so after instaling source it won't find it anyway, great:) |
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| 12:48.33 | Pol-ack | is that linking of ~build to headers fixed and should always be set like that |
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| 12:50.47 | Xanbreon | Pol-ack: I always find the build symlink is broken myself |
| 12:52.26 | Xanbreon | In testing |
| 12:52.43 | Xanbreon | Well, when I say broken, I mean pointing to the src and not the headers |
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| 12:55.36 | Pol-ack | and that's what i'm indend to change ~bulid to, is ~build specific to debian only ? |
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| 13:02.44 | Pol-ack | what's more. when i look inside headers /drivers directory i can't se any headers only Makefiles and KConfig , cool |
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| 13:07.45 | classical | hi ppl where is debian 6.0 squeeze download link i can't find link |
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| 13:08.57 | rvsjoen | anyone have an idea how I can get keys added with ssh-add to persist after reboot ? |
| 13:09.35 | qwd | babilen: in case you're interested I created a new key and could encrypt emails with that. I'm not sure what the problem was but it might have been that I just moved over the contents of my old .gnupg folder instead of importing them properly or something. Either way, it works now :) |
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| 13:11.46 | classical | is there any way to install debian from one cd i juts need basic system not whole packages which is included in 18 cd |
| 13:12.04 | rvsjoen | netinstall disc |
| 13:12.10 | rvsjoen | dpkg: netinstall |
| 13:12.10 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 13:12.43 | et | if i want to unsubscribe from a mailing list (but i can't send mail with a from: of the address that i used to subscribe anymore, however i still receive mail), how do i go about that? the list wants a mail with a from: of the original address ... |
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| 13:13.32 | bla | Is it possible to limit process data for a user on vserver kernel? (grsecurity usually did this thing. So user A can't see processes of user B) |
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| 13:19.54 | ethanol | debian lenny netinstall has issues with broadcom drivers? :< |
| 13:20.23 | ethanol | or broadcom eth devices |
| 13:20.24 | petemc | you probably need firmware |
| 13:20.25 | rvsjoen | wouldn't that depend on which broadcom chipset ? |
| 13:20.41 | rvsjoen | I have to use m-a to build my wl driver at least |
| 13:20.58 | ethanol | wires lan card |
| 13:21.02 | ethanol | not sure what chipset |
| 13:21.12 | rvsjoen | do lspci then |
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| 13:22.08 | abrotman | oh ffs .. damn thing died at the end |
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| 13:24.48 | frikinz | abrotman: I've solved my problems by having an init script that bind-mounts /tmp /var/log /var/run /var/lock /var/lib/dhcp3 /etc/network/run in a shm. It is ran early enough to not show any warning. and my / is ro! yay! |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | ewww |
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| 14:01.28 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:01.40 | Agiofws | can someone help me install hugin in debian ? |
| 14:01.49 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/8h2vRJi9 i am getting this message |
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| 14:05.16 | frikinz | looks like you can not install both sift and sift-c , conflicting. |
| 14:05.29 | themill | Agiofws: (a) use aptitude instead as it will either work it out or give a better error message; (b) "/msg dpkg bat" and give us more information |
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| 14:06.06 | Agiofws | ok i will try |
| 14:06.06 | themill | Agiofws: also, you can't install both the mono and C versions of sift at the same time |
| 14:06.21 | themill | (and it makes no sense to do so) |
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| 14:10.10 | themill | Tomm0s: stop ircing as root |
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| 14:15.53 | gabi2 | hi |
| 14:16.12 | gabi2 | is there anyway to mount a DriveSpace 3 floppy in Debian? |
| 14:16.26 | gabi2 | I tried to search for some filesystem package but none seems to fit |
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| 14:18.52 | tomodachi | gabi2: jesus i havent heard of drive space in a VERY long time |
| 14:18.53 | tomodachi | :) |
| 14:19.05 | tomodachi | why not just start dosbox copy the stuff over from there? |
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| 14:20.18 | gabi2 | I also forgot about drive space long time ago :) |
| 14:20.51 | gabi2 | dosbox seems not to be able to read it |
| 14:21.38 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/118476 |
| 14:22.38 | Tomm0s | is it possible to have a Makefile dependency as file A OR file B? |
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| 14:23.14 | beardy | gabi2: You'd have to run MS-DOS (in virtualbox for instance), with it, and get the data. |
| 14:24.26 | beardy | gabi2: Make an image of the floppy before it bitrots. |
| 14:25.03 | jordanm | Tomm0s: there is a make channel.. don't recall the name |
| 14:25.12 | gabi2 | oh, ok, I understand |
| 14:25.20 | jordanm | Tomm0s: ##workingset |
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| 14:27.44 | Agiofws | can anyone help me with |
| 14:27.50 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.58 | Agiofws | hugin: error while loading shared libraries: libImath.so.2 |
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| 14:30.52 | tgywa | I am doing my first packaging ... question ...about the control file ... should I create my self ... or is that included in the downloaded source package(PHP 5.2.14)? |
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| 14:31.26 | themill | tgywa: php is already packaged for debian |
| 14:31.48 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/images/14-10-2010# apt-cache search libImath |
| 14:31.49 | Agiofws | libilmbase6 - several utility libraries from ILM used by OpenEXR |
| 14:31.50 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.50 | Agiofws | ? |
| 14:32.04 | tgywa | themill, yes ... but I am trying to have PHP 5.2 on Lucid(10.04). |
| 14:32.13 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 14:32.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:32.16 | abrotman | tgywa: so why are you asking here? |
| 14:32.16 | themill | tgywa: sounds like #ubuntu can help/. |
| 14:32.54 | tgywa | Ya .. but I am going to creat a debian package any way |
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| 14:33.14 | abrotman | tgywa: please go to #ubuntu for help with Ubuntu packaging, this is not the correct channel, you're offtopic here |
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| 14:34.38 | Agiofws | can anyone help me with libImath ? |
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| 14:34.57 | jordanm | tgywa: you know, you could run debian which has 5.2 |
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| 14:38.25 | rvsjoen | i'm experiencing intermittent wireless disconnects, like every couple of minutes on average when i'm using the NetworkManager, anyone have an idea how I can troubleshoot it ? |
| 14:38.47 | frikinz | only when using networkmanager? |
| 14:39.03 | rvsjoen | seems to be pretty stable when I run wpa_supplicant manually |
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| 14:39.10 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:39.14 | rvsjoen | which is very strange |
| 14:39.30 | Agiofws | i am running hugin from command line and i am getting this error |
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| 14:39.41 | Agiofws | hugin: error while loading shared libraries: libImath.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 14:40.32 | Agiofws | i am searching for this error on google or for that package on my host or via the package manager but i cant seem to fix this can anyone help me ? |
| 14:40.39 | abrotman | Agiofws: `dpkg -l libc6 hugin' |
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| 14:41.28 | Agiofws | abrotman, http://codepad.org/UIATWBIp |
| 14:41.43 | themill | Agiofws: where is this hugin package from? |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | judd: versions hugin |
| 14:41.48 | judd | Package hugin on i386 -- etch: 0.6.1-1; lenny: 0.7.0~svn3191+beta5-2; lenny-backports: 2010.0.0+dfsg-3~bpo50+1; sid: 2010.0.0+dfsg-3+b1; squeeze: 2010.0.0+dfsg-3+b1; experimental: 2010.2.0+dfsg~rc2-1 |
| 14:42.09 | Agiofws | the package manager |
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| 14:42.50 | nsadmin | , file gitk |
| 14:42.51 | themill | Agiofws: hmm... I've used that version without any hassles at all quite a lot. (the version from bpo is much better though) |
| 14:42.54 | judd | gitk in lenny/i386: gitk: usr/bin/gitk; stgit-contrib: usr/bin/stg-gitk |
| 14:43.00 | frikinz | rvsjoen: I've had quite some problems with n-m or wicd. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490493. Maybe n-m is scanning every x minutes? |
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| 14:43.09 | abrotman | Agiofws: is "libilmbase6" installed ? |
| 14:43.09 | Agiofws | bpo ? |
| 14:43.23 | nsadmin | backports.org? |
| 14:43.47 | Agiofws | libilmbase6 is already the newest version. |
| 14:43.48 | Agiofws | libilmbase6 set to manually installed. |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | Agiofws: honestly .. i'd probably just create a symlink |
| 14:44.19 | Agiofws | from where to where ? |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | ln -s /usr/lib/libImath.so.6 /usr/lib/libImath.so.2 |
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| 14:45.12 | Agiofws | hugin |
| 14:45.13 | Agiofws | hugin: error while loading shared libraries: libIlmImf.so.2: |
| 14:45.47 | themill | Agiofws: what's the output of "type -a hugin" |
| 14:46.19 | Agiofws | hugin is /usr/local/bin/hugin hugin is /usr/bin/hugin |
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| 14:46.38 | themill | Agiofws: you have a locally compiled version there and that's the one you're using |
| 14:46.44 | themill | get rid of it and all will be well |
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| 14:47.34 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/usr/local/bin$ls -l hugin |
| 14:47.35 | Agiofws | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 15512885 2008-07-16 15:51 hugin ? |
| 14:47.36 | Agiofws | rm ? |
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| 14:50.38 | rvsjoen | ok, managed to enable some debugging info |
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| 14:52.33 | cesurasean1 | how do i know what im using for sound? |
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| 14:53.06 | Zaca12 | Hi there |
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| 14:53.40 | rvsjoen | heh, of course now I don't get disconnected.. |
| 14:53.45 | cahoot | cesurasean1: alsa is a good guess - why do you ask? |
| 14:53.51 | Zaca12 | I am currently running debian lenny and I went and installed Python2.7 today from source, now I have an issue where I need to revert back to python2.5.2 which comes with debian lenny. although I'm having a problem doing so. anyone got any advice or something useful for me? |
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| 14:55.28 | cesurasean1 | cahoot, can someone tell me how to remove this warning that pops up on boot? - http://pastebin.com/k5d2R1ny |
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| 14:56.52 | cesurasean1 | i just removed alsa-oss festival festlex-cmu festlex-poslex festvox-kallpc16k oss-compat oss4-base, and now i have no sound from youtube videos? |
| 14:56.54 | cahoot | did ypu at some point install OSS4? |
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| 14:57.41 | cahoot | cesurasean1: so you effectively removed all sound support |
| 14:58.00 | cesurasean1 | what do i need to install so i don't have the errors that show on my pastebin? |
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| 14:59.24 | cahoot | reinstalling the kernel would be the simplest way to restore alsa |
| 14:59.43 | cesurasean1 | i don't think alsa works. |
| 14:59.47 | cahoot | ok |
| 14:59.50 | cesurasean1 | i have tried it before. |
| 14:59.58 | cesurasean1 | so how do i remove the error about Open Sound System? |
| 15:00.04 | Zaca12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.11 | cesurasean1 | i went ahead and reinstalled all of those things i removed |
| 15:00.12 | Zaca12 | does anyone know why i am getting that on debian lenny? |
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| 15:00.32 | cesurasean1 | Zaca12, you don't have python installed. |
| 15:00.44 | Zaca12 | but cesurasean1. i do |
| 15:01.00 | cesurasean1 | where is it located at? |
| 15:01.03 | cesurasean1 | do whereis python |
| 15:01.14 | Agiofws | hugin: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libhuginvigraimpex.so.0.0: undefined symbol: _ZN4half5_eLutE |
| 15:01.14 | Agiofws | ? |
| 15:01.21 | cesurasean1 | cahoot, how do i get rid of that error message??? |
| 15:01.35 | Agiofws | this is getting on to my nervous :) |
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| 15:01.51 | cahoot | no idea - I've no use for OSS4 |
| 15:01.52 | cesurasean1 | Thu Oct 14 09:46:08 2010: ^[]R^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Starting Open Sound System: ^[[31mfailed (No kernel modules detected).^[[39;49m |
| 15:02.07 | Zaca12 | cesurasean1: /usr/bin/python |
| 15:02.10 | cesurasean1 | anyone tell me how to resolve that? |
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| 15:02.27 | Zaca12 | all seems good doesn't it? |
| 15:02.36 | rvsjoen | when do you get the error |
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| 15:02.57 | cesurasean1 | on my boot.log |
| 15:03.21 | Zaca12 | cesurasean1: what else do you suppose might be the problem? |
| 15:03.30 | rvsjoen | wild guess, you're missing oss4-modules ? |
| 15:03.44 | cesurasean1 | Zaca12, wrong version? |
| 15:03.44 | rvsjoen | zaca12: when do you get it |
| 15:04.44 | Zaca12 | i get it when i'm trying to use aptitude among other things too |
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| 15:04.52 | Zaca12 | almost everything that uses python gives me that error now |
| 15:05.11 | Zaca12 | rvsjoen: do you maybe have any suggestions i could try? |
| 15:05.19 | Zaca12 | im using debian lenny and it comes with python2.5.2 |
| 15:05.29 | Zaca12 | i tried to install python 2.7 today from source |
| 15:05.39 | Zaca12 | then i realised that a lot of my scripts won't work with python 2.7 |
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| 15:06.01 | Zaca12 | and now i've tried to vert back to python2.5.2 but i'm struggling with that error |
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| 15:06.56 | nsadmin | Zaca12: when you build from source, you have to remember that debian claims ownership over certain dirs |
| 15:06.58 | nsadmin | like /usr |
| 15:07.41 | nsadmin | if you --prefix=/usr and then you install, you're being an additional influence together with debian packaging |
| 15:08.11 | nsadmin | this can cause damage, as it has done in your case |
| 15:08.37 | Zaca12 | nsadmin: i just ran ./configure and then make install as root |
| 15:08.46 | Zaca12 | is there anyway to remove the python from source? |
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| 15:08.54 | Zaca12 | and just vert back to my python in my repos? |
| 15:08.55 | nsadmin | so, is it in /usr/local/bin? |
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| 15:09.12 | Zaca12 | its in /usr/bin |
| 15:09.18 | nsadmin | if you did that, then --prefix is defaulted |
| 15:09.30 | Zaca12 | yeah, it was |
| 15:09.36 | Zaca12 | i should've checked that first |
| 15:09.41 | nsadmin | so there is not also a python in /usr/local/bin? |
| 15:09.45 | Zaca12 | so basically i've overwritten my python that comes with lenny? |
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| 15:09.58 | Zaca12 | there's also python in there |
| 15:10.13 | nsadmin | ok, try /usr/bin/python --version |
| 15:10.14 | cesurasean1 | I don't have any sound, and I think I have alsa, and oss both installed. Can someone help me out? |
| 15:10.34 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/usr/local/bin$ /usr/bin/python --version |
| 15:10.34 | Zaca12 | bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory |
| 15:10.36 | cesurasean1 | I want to remove either alsa, or oss, and have my sound working again. |
| 15:10.40 | Zaca12 | i get that.. which is very very odd to me |
| 15:10.50 | nsadmin | hash -r |
| 15:10.53 | nsadmin | then try again |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | why not just reinstall python ? |
| 15:11.21 | Zaca12 | i get the same thing nsadmin, just tells me no such file |
| 15:11.24 | Zaca12 | hmm.. |
| 15:11.29 | Zaca12 | what does hash -r do? |
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| 15:11.53 | nsadmin | test -e /usr/bin/python && echo yes |
| 15:12.15 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/usr/local/bin$ test -e /usr/bin/python && echo yes |
| 15:12.15 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/usr/local/bin$ |
| 15:12.19 | Zaca12 | that ran but did nothing |
| 15:12.25 | nsadmin | does not exist. |
| 15:12.29 | cesurasean1 | Can someone help me with my sound issue?? |
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| 15:12.38 | Zaca12 | hmm |
| 15:12.46 | Zaca12 | so i wonder what i see in /usr/bin then? |
| 15:12.49 | nsadmin | ok, try this |
| 15:12.51 | cesurasean1 | Zaca12, your python install is broken, that file does not exist. just like the error tells you.... |
| 15:13.10 | cesurasean1 | apt-get install --reinstall python |
| 15:13.10 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.23 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall python |
| 15:13.36 | cesurasean1 | abrotman, can you help me with a sound issue? |
| 15:13.40 | cesurasean1 | plzzz |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 15:13.45 | cesurasean1 | i have no sound |
| 15:13.50 | abrotman | doesn't the python source have a make uninstall ? |
| 15:13.51 | cesurasean1 | looks like i have alsa, and oss installed. |
| 15:13.56 | abrotman | !tell cesurasean1 about alsa check |
| 15:14.01 | abrotman | !tell cesurasean1 about alsa checklist |
| 15:14.56 | babilen | cesurasean1: you might want to remove oss as well |
| 15:15.00 | cesurasean1 | abortman, how do i know which packages need to be installed with alsa? |
| 15:15.11 | cesurasean1 | so i can remove oss |
| 15:15.11 | abrotman | alsa-utils is a good start IIRC |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | cesurasean1: which version of Debian ? |
| 15:15.27 | nsadmin | Zaca12, then do ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 15:15.29 | cesurasean1 | squeeze |
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| 15:15.47 | babilen | cesurasean1: alsa-utils + alsa-base |
| 15:15.49 | nsadmin | and show both |
| 15:15.50 | cesurasean1 | what is alsa-oss? |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | cesurasean1: alsa-utils and alsa-base |
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| 15:16.03 | abrotman | cesurasean1: you can install that also if you want ... many apps still use OSS |
| 15:16.31 | cesurasean1 | what is festival? |
| 15:16.41 | abrotman | text to speech |
| 15:17.33 | nsadmin | Zaca12: are you there? |
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| 15:18.06 | cesurasean1 | does alsa-modules exist, as well? |
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| 15:18.20 | Zaca12 | yes sorry i was just reading all these errors |
| 15:18.27 | Zaca12 | the problem is that not even aptitude works now |
| 15:18.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.33 | Zaca12 | because i keep on getting that same error |
| 15:18.52 | Zaca12 | although |
| 15:18.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.01 | Zaca12 | apt-get reinstall python gives me this |
| 15:19.02 | Zaca12 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 15:19.03 | nsadmin | what does that say please |
| 15:19.14 | cesurasean1 | going to reboot |
| 15:19.26 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/usr/local/bin$ /usr/local/bin/python --version |
| 15:19.27 | Zaca12 | Python 2.5.2 |
| 15:19.36 | nsadmin | hmm, interesting |
| 15:19.43 | Zaca12 | but also as a futher step after installing python2.7 i tried installing python 2.5.2 from source |
| 15:19.52 | Zaca12 | so i think thats the python2.5.2 install from source |
| 15:19.57 | Zaca12 | i thought that that would fix my problem |
| 15:19.59 | Zaca12 | but it didn't |
| 15:20.03 | Zaca12 | my mistake.. damn |
| 15:20.03 | nsadmin | oh, ok, that sounds reasonable |
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| 15:20.13 | Zaca12 | i feel stupid tho |
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| 15:20.26 | nsadmin | cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:20.47 | nsadmin | ls python* | wc -l |
| 15:21.10 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/var/cache/apt/archives$ ls python* | wc -l |
| 15:21.10 | Zaca12 | 15 |
| 15:21.18 | nsadmin | hmm, lotsa packages |
| 15:21.29 | Zaca12 | i can paste em to you in prvt? |
| 15:21.36 | nsadmin | ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 15:21.39 | Zaca12 | python2.5_2.5.2-15+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 15:21.45 | Zaca12 | but i see that's what i need over there |
| 15:21.45 | Zaca12 | ok |
| 15:22.05 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/var/cache/apt/archives$ ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 15:22.06 | Zaca12 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2010-10-14 16:21 /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 |
| 15:22.12 | nsadmin | oh, it's a link |
| 15:22.21 | Zaca12 | isn't it meant to be? |
| 15:22.25 | nsadmin | ok, dpkg -i python2.5_2.5.2-15+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 15:22.26 | Zaca12 | that was from a guide from google |
| 15:22.27 | babilen | Zaca12: python2.5 installs to /usr and not to /usr/local IIRC unless you change the prefix. Did you do that? |
| 15:22.31 | nsadmin | yes it is |
| 15:22.46 | Zaca12 | no i never changed the prefix |
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| 15:22.56 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe not |
| 15:23.01 | qwd | Is there a key for making a picture in Iceweasel larger? I'm talking about when you open a .jpg and it's scaled to fit the screen. |
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| 15:23.11 | Zaca12 | trying your suggestion now nsadmin |
| 15:23.13 | nsadmin | try installing the python package using dpkg |
| 15:23.13 | Zaca12 | but it failed |
| 15:23.15 | Zaca12 | i'll paste |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | qwd: usually there would be a + sign hwne you hold the cursor over it if it can be enlarged |
| 15:23.33 | cesurasean1 | How do I remove ALL of oss? Alsa is now working, but my boot still shows this: Thu Oct 14 10:23:30 2010: ^[]R^[[9;30]^[[14;30]/etc/init.d/oss4-base: line 21: Ã\240exit: command not found |
| 15:23.33 | babilen | Zaca12: I would suggest to remove you local Python installation and reinstall the one from Debian. |
| 15:23.33 | cesurasean1 | Thu Oct 14 10:23:30 2010: Starting Open Sound System: ^[[31mfailed (No kernel modules detected).^[[39;49m |
| 15:23.36 | dudasss | hi all |
| 15:23.40 | dudasss | this problem |
| 15:23.41 | dudasss | Insecure dependency in open while running with -T switch at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/IO/File.pm line 63.? |
| 15:23.42 | nsadmin | limit lines here to 3 or so, or use pastebin |
| 15:24.00 | abrotman | cesurasean1: how did you install OSS4 ? |
| 15:24.01 | Zaca12 | nsadmin: ive pasted in private is that ok? |
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| 15:24.12 | abrotman | Zaca12: it woudl be preferred if you would use a pastebin so we can all see |
| 15:24.16 | babilen | Zaca12: Please paste it to a pastebin. |
| 15:24.23 | Zaca12 | babilen: yes i'd love to do that but i dont know how to remove source python installs |
| 15:24.26 | Zaca12 | ok i'll use pastebin |
| 15:24.27 | abrotman | cesurasean1: remove oss4-base |
| 15:24.50 | nsadmin | oh, did you put that link in? |
| 15:25.09 | cesurasean1 | abrotman, i purged oss4-base |
| 15:25.13 | Zaca12 | yea i tried that because that's what a guide i found on google told me would fixc my issue |
| 15:25.14 | cesurasean1 | maybe that will work, ill reboot and see |
| 15:25.18 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:25.28 | nsadmin | so, try this... first, remove the link |
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| 15:25.36 | nsadmin | then run the dpkg line again |
| 15:25.37 | Zaca12 | http://paste.debian.net/96342/ |
| 15:25.42 | Zaca12 | ok will do nsadmin |
| 15:26.01 | nsadmin | the postinst got confused by the link |
| 15:26.14 | Zaca12 | same thing as the pastebin, ever after removing the link |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | Zaca12: you're doing the wrong package |
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| 15:26.29 | abrotman | Zaca12: python2.5-minimal |
| 15:26.45 | nsadmin | hmm, this is getting bad |
| 15:26.56 | Zaca12 | i don't have that package abrotman |
| 15:27.08 | Zaca12 | well it's not in my /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:27.27 | Zaca12 | but we have a local debian lenny repo setup here so i'm quite sure that i can get hold of it somehow |
| 15:27.32 | Zaca12 | or download it from the internet |
| 15:27.59 | nsadmin | what package is he asking about |
| 15:28.11 | Zaca12 | this sucks very much because its my new job :D and they still use python 2.5... but we doing a training course on saturday and we need a newer version of python.. |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | Zaca12: you need that package |
| 15:28.24 | Zaca12 | little did i know that installing python2.7 would give me all these issues, whoops |
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| 15:28.35 | abrotman | Zaca12: well, if you're good at python you shuld know that just replacing the system python is bad |
| 15:28.44 | nsadmin | probably your path has /usr/local/bin first |
| 15:28.47 | Zaca12 | yeah, well python junior. sadly |
| 15:28.53 | abrotman | Zaca12: download that python2.5-minimal from the internet .. dpkg -i it |
| 15:28.55 | qwd | abrotman: I know I can click it with the mouse but isn't it possible to do it with the keyboard? |
| 15:28.55 | Zaca12 | i should've known, now i do |
| 15:29.09 | Zaca12 | searches for python2.5-minimal online |
| 15:29.22 | nsadmin | the minimal would have the python binary I guess |
| 15:29.29 | rvsjoen | how can I add my private key to ssh-agent using ssh-add automatically every time I reboot ? |
| 15:29.39 | Zaca12 | downloading |
| 15:29.49 | Zaca12 | yeah i really hope this works |
| 15:29.58 | Zaca12 | all i need to do is just revert to what lenny originally had |
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| 15:30.01 | Zaca12 | then i'll be ok |
| 15:30.13 | nsadmin | I don't know how extensive the damage is |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | is it on fire? |
| 15:30.47 | nsadmin | so you might have more problems, but at least we might be able to get your python going |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | Zaca12: you should be getting it from packages.debian.org or whatever your mirror is |
| 15:30.59 | Zaca12 | http://paste.debian.net/96344/ |
| 15:31.05 | Zaca12 | does that mean that it installed successfully? |
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| 15:31.33 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 15:31.44 | nsadmin | so now, do the dpkg line I gave you again |
| 15:31.44 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:~$ /usr/bin/python --version |
| 15:31.44 | Zaca12 | bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory |
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| 15:31.47 | Zaca12 | but why do i still get that |
| 15:31.55 | abrotman | Zaca12: slow down |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | Zaca12: now install the other package that nsadmin was having you try to install |
| 15:32.17 | Zaca12 | ok cool |
| 15:32.20 | nsadmin | you have python2.5 |
| 15:32.42 | nsadmin | yeah, that went over like a lead balloon... |
| 15:33.07 | Zaca12 | ok that worked successfully |
| 15:33.21 | nsadmin | now see if you have /usr/bin/python |
| 15:33.28 | Zaca12 | http://paste.debian.net/96355/ |
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| 15:33.41 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:/var/cache/apt/archives$ /usr/bin/python --version |
| 15:33.42 | Zaca12 | bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory |
| 15:33.42 | Zaca12 | :( |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | so create the symlink |
| 15:34.15 | nsadmin | you still have /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 15:34.21 | abrotman | ln -s /usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/bin/python |
| 15:34.32 | nsadmin | what package does that already? |
| 15:35.07 | Zaca12 | what package does what already/ |
| 15:35.08 | Zaca12 | ? |
| 15:35.11 | Zaca12 | shall i try the symlink? |
| 15:35.17 | nsadmin | makes the link |
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| 15:35.39 | nsadmin | yeah, I suppose you should make the link, but I don't understand why it's not made for you |
| 15:35.59 | Zaca12 | ok it seems to be working.. |
| 15:36.03 | Zaca12 | waits and sees |
| 15:36.09 | nsadmin | so now try aptitude |
| 15:36.38 | Zaca12 | im trying sudo aptitude install python2.5-wxgtk2.6 |
| 15:36.46 | Zaca12 | and its getting further than it did the last time |
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| 15:37.21 | Zaca12 | i keep on getting a little popup which says : The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue. |
| 15:37.29 | Zaca12 | im sure its got something to do with it! |
| 15:37.42 | Zaca12 | but just waiting for wx to finish |
| 15:37.55 | nsadmin | is it downloading packages? |
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| 15:38.12 | Zaca12 | yeah well it had quite a lot of packages that it had to sort out actually |
| 15:38.30 | Zaca12 | some were broken and some had to be remove |
| 15:38.32 | Zaca12 | d |
| 15:38.36 | Zaca12 | so i think its doing all that now |
| 15:38.42 | Zaca12 | no clue why.. |
| 15:38.52 | Zaca12 | i told it to remove python sometime earlier |
| 15:39.03 | Zaca12 | and it told me that it wanted to remove 1 gb worth of packages |
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| 15:39.42 | Zaca12 | but i'll reinstall all my python packages again, just hope to get python working |
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| 15:41.10 | Zaca12 | what would the package name for PIL be on debian if i wanna install it? |
| 15:41.34 | nsadmin | when you want to build py 2.7... make sure /usr/bin is before /usr/local/bin in your path, and also look at /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 15:42.00 | nsadmin | make sure /usr/lib and /lib are first before /usr/local/lib |
| 15:42.15 | nsadmin | dunno what pil is |
| 15:42.57 | km | what is the recommended kernel parameters (ulimit, tcp buffers, etc) support apache server with 6144 concurrent connections? |
| 15:43.04 | stew | Zaca12: python-imaging |
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| 15:44.25 | babilen | Zaca12: Sorry, was absent for a second. I am not sure about your current status, but I would still remove the local installation. A simple "make uninstall" might work for that. Install the debian python packages afterwards (either with aptitude or download them from packages.debian.org and us dpkg -i) |
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| 15:45.01 | Zaca12 | thanks stew, ok I think that my simlink is still my python2.5.2 from source |
| 15:45.14 | CodeNinja | I'm getting this when I try to ssh: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" I googled, found a 'fix' but it didnt work, something about MAKEDEV -d ptmx but it did not fix the problem, any suggestions? This just started happening, no package updates, etc |
| 15:45.14 | Zaca12 | because ive installed python-imaging but i still can't import Image when i do python |
| 15:45.22 | Zaca12 | how could i remove the python2.5.2 from source? |
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| 15:46.32 | Zaca12 | http://paste.debian.net/96357/ |
| 15:46.37 | Zaca12 | as an example ^^ |
| 15:46.55 | Zaca12 | so i need to be using the one from the Jan 24 2010 |
| 15:47.21 | nsadmin | Zaca12: your python from source is in /usr/local |
| 15:47.30 | babilen | Zaca12: You change cwd to the directory in which you executed "make install" to install Python and execute "make uninstall" |
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| 15:48.02 | nsadmin | does python's makefile have an uninstall target? |
| 15:48.13 | babilen | nsadmin: Are you sure? IIRC Python 2.5 did still install itself to /usr and not /usr/local -- that behaviour was changed with Python 2.6 |
| 15:48.27 | Zaca12 | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 15:48.28 | Zaca12 | :( |
| 15:49.06 | babilen | nsadmin: Does not look like it |
| 15:49.26 | nsadmin | babilen: he installed from the package since then, and beforehand python2.5 did not exist when the link did |
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| 15:50.16 | babilen | nsadmin: Hmm, strange. |
| 15:50.18 | nsadmin | Zaca12, echo "== $PATH ==" |
| 15:50.38 | nsadmin | babilen, that was about 10 mins ago |
| 15:50.42 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:~/Desktop/crop$ echo "== $PATH ==" |
| 15:50.43 | Zaca12 | == /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games == |
| 15:51.00 | nsadmin | so it's as I expected... /usr/local/bin is first |
| 15:51.43 | nsadmin | which means it will find your source-installed one, which is in /usr/local/bin, before it finds the system-wide one |
| 15:51.45 | Zaca12 | could I change that so that they're both the lenny python install of python 2.5.2? |
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| 15:51.59 | Zaca12 | yeah, i need to remove the source one |
| 15:52.01 | iman | how can i install rpm in debian |
| 15:52.38 | nsadmin | iman: can't. use alien or find a deb for whatever you're installing |
| 15:52.56 | babilen | iman: Why would you want to do that? There is "alien" for that ... |
| 15:53.01 | iman | nsadmin, how can i install nmap for debian? |
| 15:53.13 | nsadmin | there's not nmap in debian? |
| 15:53.14 | iman | babilen, to install nmap |
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| 15:53.31 | nsadmin | , versions nmap |
| 15:53.33 | judd | Package nmap on i386 -- etch: 4.11-1; etch-backports: 4.62-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 5.21-1 |
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| 15:53.37 | babilen | iman: "aptitude install nmap" |
| 15:53.49 | babilen | !tell iman about search |
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| 15:55.31 | Zaca12 | nsadmin: would you know how i could remove that source one? or alternatively override it in /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 15:57.08 | nsadmin | wait, this is interesting... what are people told, use /usr/local for your own packages... and he can't do that because of $PATH |
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| 15:59.15 | Zaca12 | anyway that i can just set /usr/local/bin to be the system wide installation of python and just ignore the other python2.5.2? |
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| 15:59.44 | abrotman | you don't want to do that |
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| 16:00.06 | abrotman | the debian systtem thinks that /usr/bin/python will go to python2.5 .. if you change that, you may get some pretty weird results |
| 16:00.55 | Zaca12 | well at the moment just calling "python" gives me the source python install |
| 16:01.10 | Zaca12 | and the system wide python is sitting at /usr/bin/python which is fine |
| 16:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: If you still have all the pieces from the original source install, you may be able to do "make uninstall". |
| 16:01.27 | Zaca12 | but i want to cancel out the source python install. i think its coming from /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 16:01.42 | Python1320 | * [Python1320] is connecting from *@2001:470:dd3:0:400c:50f:198c:307a 2001:470:dd3:0:400c:50f:198c:307a |
| 16:01.46 | nsadmin | when python is called from the shell, it goes to /usr/local/bin/python |
| 16:01.48 | Python1320 | Like I'm going to remember that 0.o |
| 16:01.57 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: Failing that, the makefile should tell you what it copied and linked to where, use that as a checklist and undo it step by step. |
| 16:01.57 | Zaca12 | yes i've tried that jhutchins_ |
| 16:02.01 | Zaca12 | this is what i get make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 16:02.04 | babilen | Zaca12: What is the output of "which python" ? |
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| 16:02.23 | babilen | Zaca12: Yes, unfortunately the Python Makefile does not define an uninstall target |
| 16:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | Python1320: Ah, the advantages of ipv6. |
| 16:02.30 | Zaca12 | zac@hogwarts:~/Desktop/crop$ which python |
| 16:02.31 | Zaca12 | /usr/local/bin/python |
| 16:02.33 | Zaca12 | :( |
| 16:02.39 | nsadmin | sheesh :) his path starts with /usr/local/bin and python exists there |
| 16:02.49 | Zaca12 | grr |
| 16:03.02 | nsadmin | don't tell me aptitude uses the first python in the path... |
| 16:03.03 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: That's standard. |
| 16:03.13 | Zaca12 | cant i just symlink /usr/local/bin/python to /usr/bin/ or so? |
| 16:03.23 | babilen | Zaca12: Ok, it is installed to /usr/local (which is a good thing |
| 16:03.46 | Zaca12 | no no the one that i need needs to be /usr/bin/python |
| 16:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: If you remove the python that's in /usr/local/bin, it will fall through to /usr/bin/python |
| 16:03.53 | Zaca12 | the /usr/local/bin is the source install |
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| 16:03.58 | Zaca12 | that one does not work with my system |
| 16:03.59 | nsadmin | the one you need for what tho? |
| 16:04.18 | nsadmin | if it doesn't work, get rid of it |
| 16:04.28 | nsadmin | you can rm /usr/local/bin/python |
| 16:04.40 | nsadmin | and maybe it just removes a link |
| 16:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: Look at the make file, find the install section and find where it copies the file to /usr/local/bin, check to see if it does anything else, and rm whatever it put wherever. |
| 16:04.53 | Zaca12 | hogwarts:/home/zac/Desktop/crop# python crop.py |
| 16:04.54 | Zaca12 | bash: /usr/local/bin/python: No such file or directory |
| 16:04.54 | Zaca12 | argh |
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| 16:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: which python |
| 16:05.25 | Zaca12 | hogwarts:/home/zac/Desktop/crop# /usr/bin/python crop.py |
| 16:05.28 | Zaca12 | that works fine |
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| 16:05.30 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: It's just been cached. |
| 16:05.37 | nsadmin | hash -r |
| 16:05.38 | luckz | how do I check for filesystem corruption on my server? |
| 16:05.39 | babilen | Zaca12: I would just remove Python from /usr/local. That might be a trivial endeavour if there is nothing else installed to /usr/local and a bit more complicated if there are other things around. You should definitely remove /usr/local/bin/python .. |
| 16:05.41 | Zaca12 | hogwarts:/home/zac/Desktop/crop# which python |
| 16:05.42 | Zaca12 | /usr/bin/python |
| 16:05.42 | Zaca12 | confusing |
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| 16:05.51 | babilen | and then "hash -r" |
| 16:05.56 | jhutchins_lt | Zaca12: Possibly all you need to do is start a new shell. |
| 16:05.59 | Zaca12 | ok cool |
| 16:06.02 | Zaca12 | hash -r worked |
| 16:06.04 | Zaca12 | :D |
| 16:06.05 | Zaca12 | thanks! |
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| 16:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | What's the dpkg command to show which package owns a file? |
| 16:07.08 | et | dpkg-query -S |
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| 16:08.43 | llutz | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -S file |
| 16:09.25 | jhutchins_lt | llutz: Ok, something about the outfit confused me, thx. |
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| 16:15.47 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. 10.10 on netbooks: "slow, confusing, and generally not ready for prime time". http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7883?hq_e=el&hq_m=1093618&hq_l=5&hq_v=7ca553163c |
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| 16:19.30 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: wrong channel ? |
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| 16:37.39 | atula | could someone take a look at my smartd.conf? only the conveyance tests are running everyday... other tests (long and short) arent' runing: http://pastie.org/private/252zw1tvirdwliby0njmeq |
| 16:37.40 | atula | thank you |
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| 16:41.27 | paccer | how do i determine which kernel is the latest stable, according to debian? - might not be same as kernel.org.. by searching http://packages.debian.org? |
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| 16:42.06 | paccer | in other words - is latest stable kernel linux-image-2.6.26-2? |
| 16:42.49 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 16:42.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:43.04 | paccer | thanks :) |
| 16:43.10 | babilen | paccer: That depends on the Debian version we are speaking about, but yes, it is 2.6.26 for Debian stable |
| 16:43.17 | themill | paccer: yes. 2.6.32 is the kernel the next release will ship with |
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| 16:43.47 | kooll | paccer: 'aptitude show linux-image' will give you a list of all kernel packages that could be installed (and you can then check each package) |
| 16:44.01 | paccer | if only i had a ready debian installation :) |
| 16:44.12 | paccer | im debootstrapping a debian installation from scratch |
| 16:44.17 | paccer | so i cant - yet |
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| 16:44.38 | kooll | well, once you have your bootstrap, chroot into it, and ... ;) |
| 16:44.42 | themill | paccer: you'd install the linux-image-686 (or similar) package so that you don't need to know that detail |
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| 16:45.17 | paccer | before im using my new system, i figured i'd compile a kernel for it first.. just needed to figure out which one to compile :) |
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| 16:45.38 | paccer | having tiny problems switching between distros - like this.. thanks tho :) |
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| 16:45.51 | themill | compiling kernels? how quaint |
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| 16:46.18 | paccer | the systems only function will be a virtual machine running VPN |
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| 16:46.44 | paccer | so i figured a absolute minimal installation would be best - for security and performance/resource requirements |
| 16:47.39 | paccer | ubuntu has a linux-virtual package which already contains a customized kernel for virtual machines - so ill just try and export the config and recompile |
| 16:48.20 | paccer | removing acpi and stuff tho - which should simplify the kernel alot |
| 16:48.45 | paccer | correct me if this sounds like a bad idea |
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| 16:50.59 | Arthur_D | hi, been a Ubuntu user for a while now, but I've used Debian in the past. Now I want to come back and try Debian Testing :) |
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| 16:52.00 | paccer | great idea ;) |
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| 16:52.17 | paccer | same story here actually |
| 16:52.20 | Arthur_D | thanks, hopefully I'll be able to configure Debian to my liking :) |
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| 16:53.24 | Arthur_D | just hoping I don't get any issues (as I have with Ubuntu, which is part of the reason why I want to try Debian again) |
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| 16:54.46 | Arthur_D | my brother was the one installing Debian for me many years ago, so I'm not really sure how I will cope with the installation process/additional setup |
| 16:55.23 | paccer | theres lots of guides and reference if you run into problems or questions |
| 16:55.39 | Arthur_D | good to hear :) |
| 16:55.44 | CissWit | Hi. I'm currently trying to install openoffice.org, and i can't have it done. It tells me that it depends on libicu42 but i can't find any libicu42 anywhere. |
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| 16:55.55 | CissWit | i use squeeze |
| 16:56.40 | mryanbrown | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libicu42 |
| 16:56.41 | paccer | CissWit: libicu42 seems to be available on sid |
| 16:56.46 | mryanbrown | Package not available in this suite. |
| 16:57.29 | mryanbrown | its in debports. is that backports? |
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| 16:58.54 | mantz | if I use wicd to configure my WLAN, how do I tell it to connect to the AP automatically on bootup? |
| 17:00.11 | cahoot | should be obvious if you open the applet |
| 17:00.14 | CissWit | paccer: are you sure ? |
| 17:00.32 | paccer | CissWit: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libicu42 |
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| 17:00.55 | mantz | seems it's says "hidden" cannot autoconnect |
| 17:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libicu42 |
| 17:01.01 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libicu42' was found in i386. |
| 17:01.11 | paccer | ugh |
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| 17:01.13 | paccer | debports :S |
| 17:01.24 | mantz | however, the AP doesn't hide its SSID |
| 17:01.29 | paccer | CissWit: no, im not sure |
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| 17:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | No problem installing ooffice on lenny. |
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| 17:04.46 | CissWit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.12 | stew | CissWit: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 17:08.32 | Arthur_D | will soon reboot and see if I can get Debian to work for me :) |
| 17:09.12 | paccer | :) |
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| 17:09.52 | trochala | Hello, is there a way to list all packages for a specific repository? |
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| 17:10.40 | nsadmin | trochala: its packages file |
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| 17:12.25 | CissWit | stew: http://paste.debian.net/96394/ here it is |
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| 17:15.22 | Arthur_N | ok, back again, I got a problem with the installation |
| 17:15.29 | stew | CissWit: yes, the problem is that because of your pinning you are preferring the older version of openoffice.org from testing security instead of the newer version in testing |
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| 17:15.52 | stew | CissWit: "aptitude isntall -t testing openoffice.org" would probably work better, though you should fix your pinning |
| 17:15.59 | paccer | Arthur_N: sup? |
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| 17:16.07 | Arthur_N | I chose graphical installation for 64-bit |
| 17:16.17 | Arthur_N | it says I don't have any kernel modules |
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| 17:16.44 | paccer | how are you installing? from cd? |
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| 17:16.47 | Arthur_N | yeah |
| 17:16.53 | paccer | and you have a 64 bit system? |
| 17:16.57 | Arthur_N | daily built Testing |
| 17:16.58 | Arthur_N | yeah |
| 17:17.01 | Arthur_N | indeed |
| 17:17.07 | paccer | sounds like a corrupt cd or something |
| 17:17.18 | paccer | you're not supposed to getting told that you dont have a kernel, during installation |
| 17:17.37 | CissWit | stew shouldn't i prefer testing security as security fix should be more important than all day packet ? |
| 17:17.39 | Arthur_N | I ran through the cd test in the installer |
| 17:17.48 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds like it might be a release that doesn't have a fully functional installer yet and is known to be missing parts from time to time. |
| 17:17.53 | stew | CissWit: no |
| 17:18.13 | paccer | Arthur_N: sounds broken to me |
| 17:18.16 | stew | CissWit: you want whichever is newer of the two |
| 17:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | CissWit: One of the reasons testing is not a production release is that it doesn't get the priority security updates that stable does. |
| 17:18.45 | Arthur_N | ok, I will download a weekly build and do proper md5 checking (shame on me) |
| 17:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: What about installing stable? |
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| 17:19.20 | paccer | you could also just install normal stable and upgrade later |
| 17:19.57 | Arthur_N | wouldn't that make me use unstable? Sorry am a bit noob at this |
| 17:20.19 | stew | i don't even think it is possible currently for testing security to have the latest version of openoffice.org since they switchted to v3 packages |
| 17:20.22 | CissWit | stew: so i set the same pinning for both ? |
| 17:20.25 | paccer | if you install stable, you'd be running stable - if you upgrade stable to testing, you're using testing - if you upgrade whatever to unstable, you're using unstable |
| 17:20.30 | stew | CissWit: yes |
| 17:20.46 | CissWit | ok thx |
| 17:20.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openoffice |
| 17:20.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openoffice' was found in i386. |
| 17:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 17:20.59 | judd | Package openoffice.org on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-7; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-7 |
| 17:21.08 | Arthur_N | paccer, thanks, will try downloading stable then :) |
| 17:21.18 | paccer | any reason you want testing anyways? |
| 17:21.34 | Arthur_N | to be honest, I want to cope with new versions of software |
| 17:21.38 | CissWit | stew: should i do the same for stable pinning ? |
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| 17:21.49 | paccer | sounds like a good reason to me :) |
| 17:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | That's right, they launched squeeze security a week or so ago. |
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| 17:22.07 | stew | oh did they? |
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| 17:22.16 | stew | CissWit: you should probably just get rid of all the stable sources |
| 17:22.20 | Arthur_N | yeah, as I said, I used Debian before, and that was the Unstable version ;) |
| 17:22.27 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I'm not clear on why the security updates wouldn't just be merged, but it is so. |
| 17:22.46 | paccer | well - shouldnt be a problem to start with stable and then upgrade |
| 17:22.48 | Arthur_N | but Unstable was... well, as the name implies, a bit unstable ;) |
| 17:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: If you actually use the computer as a tool, I think you'll find stable to be very nice. |
| 17:23.19 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, well, I like to experiment a bit as well :) |
| 17:23.22 | stew | CissWit: but with stable, this probablem should never occur, there should never be newer versions in stable than in stable security |
| 17:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: If stable doesn't have everything you want, making it work in stable gives you the skillsets to make testing work. |
| 17:23.39 | CissWit | stew: i sometimes use them on testing purpose, i like to keep it |
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| 17:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | I have a testing partition I can boot too, but currently squeeze doesn't have a working GUI. |
| 17:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | for me. |
| 17:24.36 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt: true. I just don't want to backport everything later if I want newer versions of software |
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| 17:26.48 | Arthur_N | uhm, why all the CD/DVD's? I only need to install the first one, right? |
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| 17:27.02 | babilen | !ll Arthur_N about netinst |
| 17:27.11 | babilen | !tell Arthur_N about netinst |
| 17:27.19 | paccer | Arthur_N: im using Official netinst images for the stable release |
| 17:27.24 | stew | Arthur_N: they exist for people that need to install packages onto machines that cannot get to the internet |
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| 17:27.30 | Arthur_N | I see |
| 17:27.36 | CissWit | problem fixed, thx a lot stew. |
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| 17:28.03 | Arthur_N | thanks for the info and advice guys :) |
| 17:28.09 | paccer | good luck :) |
| 17:28.22 | Arthur_N | I will still be here, typing on another machine :) |
| 17:28.25 | Arthur_N | thanks :) |
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| 17:29.29 | Arthur_N | btw, where are the md5sums located? |
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| 17:29.50 | paccer | dont know, never use them :P |
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| 17:30.58 | Arthur_N | heh |
| 17:31.14 | babilen | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS (for example) |
| 17:31.48 | babilen | but just browse to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/ and go to the directory that includes the image you are using |
| 17:32.09 | babilen | 8e5d7ef2f21825853f8489b4fd38070b debian-506-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:32.09 | Arthur_N | found it, thanks :) |
| 17:32.13 | babilen | great |
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| 17:34.21 | Arthur_N | hm, not too many torrent peers :/ |
| 17:34.53 | paccer | you dont have to use torrent |
| 17:35.06 | babilen | Arthur_N: You don't *have* to use torrents :) But keep on seeding |
| 17:35.06 | stew | Arthur_N: why not just use http instead of torrent. the cd mirrors should be faster than your internet connection |
| 17:35.42 | Arthur_N | okay, will do :) |
| 17:37.39 | Arthur_N | lol, now the torrents go fast but http does not ^^ |
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| 17:37.47 | babilen | hehe |
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| 17:38.45 | Arthur_N | whatever, I'll just take a shower meanwhile. Be back later ;) |
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| 17:49.08 | nobarking | what are some extra repositories to recieve latest updates |
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| 17:49.24 | nobarking | to desktop environment? |
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| 17:50.10 | nobarking | lets say a new version of KDE SC is released, can i immediately update the packages through a repo in Debian? |
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| 17:50.21 | nobarking | or do i have to wait until the next release? |
| 17:50.31 | abrotman | nobarking: which version of Debian? and currently, no |
| 17:50.37 | abrotman | !uupdate |
| 17:50.37 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 17:50.44 | abrotman | but that would be *really* messy with KDE |
| 17:50.50 | nobarking | squeeze |
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| 17:51.03 | abrotman | squeeze has the version of KDE that it will release with (minus bug fixes,etc) |
| 17:51.19 | nsadmin | once a debian is released, there are no changes like that... the changes that are made are to fix very serious problems |
| 17:51.38 | nobarking | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.46 | ericthehax | My /lib/modules/ directory is empty for some reason, causing a fatal when trying to use modprobe (modules.dep doesn't exist) |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | like Ubuntu PPA? Not really |
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| 17:51.56 | nobarking | something like that |
| 17:52.03 | ericthehax | how to fix? |
| 17:52.12 | Xanbreon | You can always pull stuff in from testing/sid, but if it breaks, you get all the pieces |
| 17:52.12 | abrotman | sometimes the KDE team will create a backport and use backports.org .. but the user stuff is rare .. there is apt-get.org, but it's barely used these days |
| 17:52.14 | nsadmin | how was it broken? |
| 17:52.23 | abrotman | Xanbreon: please don't tell people to do that |
| 17:52.23 | jhutchins_lt | ericthehax: How did you arrive at this situation? |
| 17:52.30 | ericthehax | I don't know. |
| 17:52.49 | abrotman | Xanbreon: there are better ways than what you're suggesting .. that's just dumb |
| 17:52.49 | ericthehax | It may have been empty forever for all I know |
| 17:52.59 | jhutchins_lt | ericthehax: What was the last system-related change you made? |
| 17:53.06 | Xanbreon | Heh, I havent had any problems mixing things a bit :/ |
| 17:53.10 | nobarking | so how do debian users get the latest packages, do they always rely on testing version for that? |
| 17:53.14 | abrotman | Xanbreon: keep it to yourself |
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| 17:53.24 | Xanbreon | mkai |
| 17:53.31 | abrotman | nobarking: One of the advantages of Debian is the stability .. not everyone wants the newest stuff |
| 17:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | nobarking: We're pretty much satisfied with the patched packages that are in the stable release. |
| 17:53.51 | ericthehax | I'm thinking it may have been that way from the beginning... If that's the case, how can I fix it? |
| 17:53.53 | abrotman | nobarking: so you can run testing if you want, but it might break |
| 17:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | nobarking: Most of us need the computer to be working as a tool to do our own work as opposed to spending our time working on the computer. |
| 17:54.03 | nobarking | or is it better going with a rolling release for that kind of distro, like mint de, sidux? |
| 17:54.20 | nsadmin | depends on what you want and what your needs are |
| 17:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | nobarking: You can backport packages if you really need something latest-and-greatest, but it's really not a distro for those who always want the latest package whether it works or not. |
| 17:54.33 | abrotman | nobarking: that's only something you can decide, we're only discussing Debian here |
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| 17:55.12 | nsadmin | that way helpers don't have to know outside of that |
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| 17:56.27 | nobarking | well the issues are particular applications that are maintain frequently like art software krita, gimp or browsers firefox (iceweasel), rekonq - things like that |
| 17:57.04 | nsadmin | sometimes a thing can be maintained thru a patch |
| 17:57.46 | abrotman | nobarking: still up to you .. once squeeze is released, it won't get new packages really .. you can get some updates via backports.org .. probelm with testing is that it may explode on you |
| 17:58.05 | nobarking | but also gets tedious if you want DEs like KDE SC that gets updates constantly and features that are worth updating |
| 17:58.23 | abrotman | nobarking: if you're really after the latest KDE, you would learn how to compile it from source |
| 17:58.30 | Xanbreon | There are moves to make sure testing is usable all the time |
| 17:58.40 | abrotman | Xanbreon: they're not in place, and thus irrelevant |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | currently |
| 17:58.55 | Xanbreon | mhm, but it isnt that bad generally anyway |
| 17:58.56 | nsadmin | constant updates is pretty unstable, as it has to work in the context of all the other software you have |
| 17:59.28 | dutchfish | Xanbreon: you can chearfully forget that, testing is ... ehe .... testing ... it break now and then, unless you have the bagage to fix it: don't |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | nobarking: you could just try it and see what happens |
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| 17:59.35 | abrotman | !tell dutchfish about cut |
| 17:59.39 | abrotman | seriously?! |
| 17:59.45 | CissWit | nobarking: there are unofficial repo made in order to maintain at the last version package for particular need : debian-multimedia.org is mainly about video/sounds stuff, dotdeb is about "lamp" server, etc. |
| 17:59.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: google "Debian CUT" |
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| 18:00.10 | abrotman | CissWit: FWIW, *no one* should use the dotdeb packages |
| 18:00.14 | CissWit | i said "etc" but actually i don't know other repo like thoose one. |
| 18:00.31 | dutchfish | abrotman: i have read it thoroughly, and NO is my explicit answer |
| 18:00.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: welcome to stable :) |
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| 18:00.58 | abrotman | perhaps they need a stable->next->testing->unstable ? |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | FIIK |
| 18:01.02 | CissWit | abrotman: oh ? Why ? I was not able to find criticism abut this when looking around on google |
| 18:01.08 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 18:01.08 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.debian.org. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 18:01.28 | abrotman | CissWit: we have many people that can't uninstall/upgrade those packages once they are in place |
| 18:01.31 | dutchfish | there is no such thing as stable in rolling or cut -> utopia (won't happen) |
| 18:01.35 | CissWit | i use them because i can't get php-fpm elsewhere |
| 18:01.50 | nobarking | so what does distros like ubuntu do, they take the latest debian stable and then add their own packages and patches upon every release? |
| 18:01.51 | abrotman | CissWit: technically, you could .. but that's a different question |
| 18:02.06 | CissWit | abrotman: i know, i mean debian and easy to update way |
| 18:02.18 | abrotman | nobarking: ask #ubuntu what they do .. we're hear to discuss Debian |
| 18:02.26 | abrotman | !tell CissWit about ssb |
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| 18:03.00 | CissWit | i'll try this. Thx. |
| 18:03.23 | peterrooney | nobarking: ubuntu does NOT take latest debian stable. |
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| 18:09.34 | qwd | nobarking: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntu-and-debian |
| 18:09.53 | abrotman | qwd: take it to #ubuntu, thank you |
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| 18:11.21 | Arthur_N | so, asking a somewhat semi-related question is not legal in here? Duuude... |
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| 18:11.58 | abrotman | he's asking what ubuntu does .. we don't know, ask them |
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| 18:12.25 | Arthur_N | well, some of us DO know, why can't we answer then? |
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| 18:12.31 | ethanol | does debian come with a utility to monitor my hp p400 raid controller, or do I need to find a package for this? |
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| 18:12.47 | abrotman | because Ubuntu is offtopic here, discuss it in #ubuntu, thank you |
| 18:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | nobarking: We could discuss it in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:13.02 | ericthehax | when and how does the modules directory get the files needed? How can I recreate this process? |
| 18:13.11 | abrotman | ericthehax: probably reinstall the kernel you're using |
| 18:13.25 | dstufft | Am i correct in that I can install a package in debian (currently using testing) from experimental just by adding deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main to apt sources.list and then apt-get -t experimental install packagename |
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| 18:13.36 | dstufft | specifically php5-fpm |
| 18:13.39 | abrotman | dstufft: you can, but it might get messy .. which package is it? |
| 18:13.50 | Arthur_N | abrotman: fair enough, if you want to shove away people. I won't discuss this any more. |
| 18:13.54 | jhutchins_lt | ericthehax: I believe it's part of the kernel. You could try aptitude -f install, but aptitude probably doesn't know what you did to your system any more than we do since you won't tell us. |
| 18:13.55 | abrotman | dstufft: you can try, but it will probably pull in large pieces of the rest of PHP from experimental |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | Arthur_N: i want to keep people ontopic, the topic is Debian |
| 18:14.40 | dstufft | abrotman: i don't have any php installed at all, I typically use nginx/python but i need some php for an app, so unless there's a reason why experimental php would be a horrenodus idea i'm ok with that |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | dstufft: internet-facing server? |
| 18:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: We have a particularly bad problem with people insisting on discussing non-debian distributions here because they think they're actually debian. |
| 18:15.09 | Arthur_N | I understand |
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| 18:15.10 | peterrooney | abrotman: yomank |
| 18:15.21 | ericthehax | What I did? Installed debian (it's whiite but that doesn't matter much, still debian), installed some packages I know wouldn't hurt modprobe |
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| 18:15.30 | dstufft | abrotman: yea, if it's a horrendous idea i can just compile php from source, i try not to but i don't know what's considered worse, experimental or from source |
| 18:15.32 | abrotman | ericthehax: so reinstall your kernel package |
| 18:15.58 | abrotman | dstufft: neither is really worse than the other for security .. at least the experimental stuff is in the package system |
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| 18:16.29 | stew | judd: depends php5-fpm --release experimental |
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| 18:16.31 | judd | Package php5-fpm -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb4.8, libevent-1.4-2 (>= 1.4.13-stable), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libonig2 (>= 5.2.0), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), libqdbm14 (>= 1.8.74), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), mime-support, php5-common (= 5.3.3-1), libmagic1, ucf, |
| 18:16.33 | judd | tzdata. |
| 18:16.45 | abrotman | icky |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | can't help but think Fast Paging Memory when he sees FPM |
| 18:17.14 | km | would one adjust the kernel parameters depending on the hardware available bandwith capacity like memory, cpu, network? |
| 18:17.16 | stew | so yeah, it does pull in php5-common from experimental |
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| 18:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | ericthehax: Unfortunately, what might fix Debian will not fix whiite, you will need to go to their support for a solution. |
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| 18:18.14 | Pendrag0n1 | Hey guys, I just logged into a box that I haven't logged into in over a year, it has been running fine and has had no errors, however when I went to edit an apache config file as root I got a very odd error I have never seen before |
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| 18:18.28 | stephan | hi here |
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| 18:18.36 | dstufft | how do I tell (besides looking up each package) if one of those packages is in experimental or in testing? |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | !tell dstufft about which repo |
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| 18:19.39 | Pendrag0n1 | root@hedebian apache2 # vi httpd.conf |
| 18:19.39 | Pendrag0n1 | Tcl_InitNotifier: unable to start notifier thread |
| 18:19.39 | Pendrag0n1 | Aborted |
| 18:19.39 | Pendrag0n1 | root@hedebian apache2 # vi httpd.conf |
| 18:19.39 | Pendrag0n1 | Cannot fork |
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| 18:20.15 | Pendrag0n1 | sorry, should have paste binned, any ideas though? |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 18:21.39 | stephan | i tried to upgrade samba and had a dependency on kernel to 2.6.32 but now dm which doesn t reconise my disks, if i regress my kernel i have my samba coredumping, and if i regress both to come back as before samba also coredumps |
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| 18:23.02 | stephan | anyone knbow about this devmapper issue? |
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| 18:23.34 | Pendrag0n1 | http://paste.debian.net/96417/ Now they replied I am using to much ram, I am very sorry if I sound rude, I do not intend that but are they new? I have been working with Debian for over a decade, and the OS is designed to utilize all ram at all times. CPU usage would be one thing, but using to much ram? The way debian runs is it always tries to use all of the ram, but prioritiezes. |
| 18:23.37 | Pendrag0n1 | am I wrong? |
| 18:23.56 | stephan | also if i try to force new samba version with newer kernel i get issues with file locks when windows workstartions wants to save files |
| 18:24.51 | stew | Pendrag0n1: can you show us the output of "free"? |
| 18:24.52 | abrotman | Pendrag0n1: look at 'free -m' |
| 18:24.55 | stew | or that |
| 18:25.11 | Pendrag0n1 | ok |
| 18:25.27 | Pendrag0n1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.27 | Pendrag0n1 | Mem: 512 508 3 0 0 0 |
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| 18:26.12 | stew | Pendrag0n1: so no, its not that its using the leftover memory for disk cache as you were suspecting |
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| 18:26.33 | stew | Pendrag0n1: if you were to put the rest of the output into a pastebin, we'd know how much swap you were using |
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| 18:26.41 | Pendrag0n1 | k |
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| 18:26.46 | danols | hello all! :) |
| 18:26.48 | MxyzHome | I'm about to upgrade to testing a desktop computer, but wanted to know if the x2x problem with gdm2 was resolved or still not posible to use x2x?, sorry if the question is dumb but have not used testing for a desktop in some time |
| 18:27.09 | danols | can you guys recommend a very simple and light smtp server ? it's only going to be used to send server emails |
| 18:27.12 | abrotman | MxyzHome: do you know the BTS bug# ? |
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| 18:27.18 | dstufft | hm tried to install php5-fpm and got this http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88a409e2/ |
| 18:27.18 | dondelelcaro | danols: nullmailer o similar |
| 18:27.18 | Pendrag0n1 | http://paste.debian.net/96419/ |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | danols: to a real mail server? |
| 18:27.25 | MxyzHome | nope... |
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| 18:27.31 | jelly-home | danols: no local delivery? nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 18:27.36 | dondelelcaro | danols: assuming that you're relaying to a smarthost |
| 18:27.38 | danols | no local delivery |
| 18:27.40 | stephan | anyone knows about a or some change on drives mappinbg/ uuid in 2.6.32 or any iissue from grub ? |
| 18:27.44 | danols | just send it off to other emails |
| 18:27.47 | abrotman | MxyzHome: did you look through the archived bugs in bugs.debian.org/gdm ? |
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| 18:27.57 | Pendrag0n1 | hmm I have python script zombies from months ago, I wonder how to kill all python processes |
| 18:28.02 | dondelelcaro | danols: yeah, nullmailer then. ssmtp could also work, but last time I checked, it didn't handle queueing |
| 18:28.03 | MxyzHome | I was just wondering if someone here had the info at hand, will search if I have to... no problem |
| 18:28.05 | abrotman | Pendrag0n1: what is the PPID ? |
| 18:28.20 | Pendrag0n1 | there are 200 PPID's they are seperate scripts |
| 18:28.23 | stew | Pendrag0n1: so yes, with no swap and no memory in buffers/cache, you are running out of memory, as they said |
| 18:28.25 | danols | dondelelcaro: which one would you use in your experience? |
| 18:28.40 | Pendrag0n1 | stew: is there a way to setup swap easily? |
| 18:28.42 | thewanderer1 | dstufft: hmm. maybe create that directory? |
| 18:28.43 | Pendrag0n1 | and safely< |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | MxyzHome: i dont' see anything at bugs.debian.org/gdm .. might have been filed on a different package |
| 18:30.01 | dstufft | thewanderer1: mkdir /var/www fixed it. Should i submit a bug somewhere (i assume this is a bug?) |
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| 18:30.08 | MxyzHome | abrotman, tanks, will find out then... |
| 18:30.37 | stew | Pendrag0n1: you can create a swapfile by creating an empty file with dd (using count+bs to copy a desired number of zeros from /dev/zero) then run mkswap on the file. |
| 18:30.42 | abrotman | MxyzHome: google turns up a few hits .. appears to have been orphaned, and the adopted ... |
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| 18:30.52 | stew | Pendrag0n1: once you have a swapfile, you can list it in fstab and use swapon |
| 18:31.20 | Pendrag0n1 | stew: hmm sounds like something for me to do when I am not at work, I was just trying to do something fast on a home box |
| 18:31.34 | thewanderer1 | dstufft: perhaps php-fpm assumes that you already have a httpd installed. where is this message from? configured to not write apport reports |
| 18:31.43 | thewanderer1 | and what is an 'apport report'? |
| 18:31.52 | Pendrag0n1 | stew: thank you for your advice, and same with everyone else |
| 18:31.57 | dondelelcaro | danols: nullmailer is what I use everywhere, save for the central servers, which run exim, postfix, or sometimes sendmail |
| 18:32.17 | dstufft | thewanderer1: no idea what an apport report is, i just did aptitude install -t experimental php5-fpm |
| 18:32.25 | dstufft | and the pastebin is the result |
| 18:32.37 | MxyzHome | abrotman, apears to be fixed, a coworker gave me access to an up to date testing box, installed x2x and works just fine... thanks for the time |
| 18:32.40 | dstufft | I have nginx installed, but it is a package i built myself (to get a newer version) |
| 18:32.49 | dstufft | and i don't use /var/www |
| 18:33.20 | MxyzHome | or not, this box has gdm and not gdm3 |
| 18:33.22 | thewanderer1 | dstufft: then you should file a bug and correct the assumption that /var/www exists |
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| 18:34.29 | dstufft | thewanderer1: I've never actually filed a bug report before, it looks like the recomended way is aptitude install reportbug; reportbug ? |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | MxyzHome: enjoy |
| 18:34.34 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 18:34.44 | abrotman | MxyzHome: gdm and gdm3 are both in squeeze |
| 18:34.45 | MxyzHome | abrotman, bug is #586685, not fixed but workarounds provided.,.. |
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| 18:35.56 | abrotman | MxyzHome: so .. kind of fixed? :) |
| 18:36.02 | MxyzHome | good enough :) |
| 18:36.08 | rafuch0 | is ATIME suported in debian fstab context...? |
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| 18:36.20 | rafuch0 | atime /relatime /noatime |
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| 18:36.58 | abrotman | rafuch0: man mount ? |
| 18:37.21 | rafuch0 | right right ... i forgot |
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| 18:50.24 | tdn | I am considering buying a Macbook or Macbook Pro. However, I am not sure if the hardware (+ periphirals) is fully supported by Debian. How can I verify that it is? Do you have any experience with Debian on Apple hardware? |
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| 18:51.19 | blip2 | tdn: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 18:51.56 | Nashenas | any idea which package has the man pages for the OpenGL functions? |
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| 18:53.58 | tdn | blip2, is that only valid for Macbook or also for Macbook Pro? |
| 18:54.11 | blip2 | no idea, sorry |
| 18:54.17 | rafuch0 | can someone explain to me what relatime actually does... ?? |
| 18:54.35 | hallamigo | I'm confused on why you'd buy a macbook and run linux on it ... |
| 18:54.36 | rafuch0 | i mean i read the man but i am not quite understand,,,,, :( |
| 18:54.42 | blip2 | hallamigo: agreed |
| 18:55.09 | blip2 | I mean even if you needed OSX (for audio/video) you could still install it one something cheaper >< |
| 18:55.09 | hallamigo | You can get a sweeeet PC for way less and be better off all around |
| 18:55.17 | blip2 | yup |
| 18:56.51 | thewanderer1 | tdn: if you want a laptop to be fully supported by Debian, get a ThinkPad - all features which work on Windows work in Linux there, too |
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| 18:58.03 | blip2 | mmm thinkpad |
| 18:58.13 | hallamigo | lol |
| 18:58.13 | tdn | thewanderer1, I have been a happy Thinkpad user for many years, however, since Lenovo took over, I have been very disappointed. My Lenovo T61p and Lenovo S10 are both poor quality compared to my older IBM Thinkpads like T42, X40, etc. |
| 18:58.15 | nsadmin | horribly expensive |
| 18:58.17 | blip2 | wish I could justify buying one |
| 18:58.43 | thewanderer1 | "relative atime only updates the atime if the previous atime is older than the mtime or ctime. Like noatime, but useful for applications like mutt that need to know when a file has been read since it was last modified." |
| 18:59.10 | Nashenas | tdn: i completely agree, my t60 has had so many issues it's unbelievable |
| 18:59.24 | blip2 | I have an oooold thinkpad that boots into the bios debug screen and complains about motherboard failures :[ |
| 18:59.34 | nsadmin | way back when I first bought a laptop, thinkpads cost like $4000... I got a dell for less than half which had double the processor speed and double the ram |
| 18:59.39 | mryanbrown | prob needs capacitors replaced |
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| 18:59.49 | abrotman | !ot |
| 18:59.49 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:59.58 | tdn | Nashenas, have you considered what to buy next? As far as I can see, only Apple produces laptops with fairly high quality hardware. |
| 18:59.59 | blip2 | :p |
| 19:00.26 | tdn | abrotman, fair enough. |
| 19:00.30 | nsadmin | what about asus? |
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| 19:10.54 | tdn | rafuch0, http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/01/30/installing-linux-on-usb-part-4-noatime-and-relatime-mount-options/ |
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| 19:11.43 | tdn | rafuch0, also: http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 |
| 19:12.04 | rafuch0 | thanks buddy : ) |
| 19:12.11 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Actually, lenovo has been making the thinkpads all along, all that changed was the branding. |
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| 19:14.53 | iulhk | how to unpack file.tbz2 ? |
| 19:14.57 | arif_ali | I hope someone can help me, and has some experience in preseed, and local mirror |
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| 19:15.14 | arif_ali | I am creating a local mirror from a CD, and then using preseed to automate installs |
| 19:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | iulhk: bunzip it, it'll probably be a tar. |
| 19:15.35 | arif_ali | but I keep getting Bad archive mirror |
| 19:15.44 | arif_ali | has anyone seen this before? |
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| 19:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | arif_ali: I believe CD's are indexed differently than on-line archives. |
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| 19:17.00 | arif_ali | jhutchins_l: there's an article to be able to do that with etch, presumenly it worked with it then |
| 19:17.02 | jhutchins_lt | arif_ali: see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, |
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| 19:18.29 | arif_ali | jhutchins_lt: I have successfully done it with ubuntu, or is that a totally different way |
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| 19:19.09 | iulhk | jhutchins_lt: -su: bunzip: command not found ? |
| 19:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | arif_ali: Ni knowledge of ubuntu mirroring, sorry. |
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| 19:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | iulhk: How do you suppose you would fix that? |
| 19:19.51 | kylemcgill | iulhk: i think its su bunzip |
| 19:19.57 | kylemcgill | that your looking for |
| 19:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | kylemcgill: More likely he needs to install a bzip utility like bzip2 |
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| 19:21.07 | scx | hello |
| 19:21.15 | muddd | bunzip2 possibly? |
| 19:21.26 | scx | i want upgrade grub from grub-legacy to grub2 |
| 19:21.36 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno if it drops an alias for bunzip or not. |
| 19:21.45 | scx | i run upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 19:21.47 | muddd | ah |
| 19:21.49 | scx | http://wstaw.org/w/cUu/ |
| 19:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | scx: Why? |
| 19:22.08 | scx | what options i should choose? |
| 19:22.47 | scx | jhutchins_lt: i installed grub from Ubuntu LiveCD, because grub install from Debian installer fail |
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| 19:23.13 | jhutchins_lt | So you're asking how to configure a Ubuntu package on Debian? |
| 19:23.37 | scx | jhutchins_lt: no, now i run debian |
| 19:23.51 | scx | and i want to install grub from debian repo |
| 19:24.10 | scx | Debian 6 have grub-pc (grub2) by default |
| 19:24.29 | jhutchins_lt | So go right ahead. |
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| 19:24.46 | muddd | can anyone point me to a good readme or book from amazon or something similar where I can learn about KSU's and telephony equipment? Sorry about being off-topic but you guys are the smartest I know about tech stuff. |
| 19:24.52 | jhutchins_lt | Or if you're on stable and you need something like raid support that legacy grub doesn't have, use lilo. |
| 19:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | Kansas State University? |
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| 19:25.20 | muddd | keyless service unites |
| 19:25.22 | muddd | unites |
| 19:25.24 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I know that Thinkpads have been manufactured at Lenovo, however, IBM did the quality assurance. Now Lenovo does everything. And quality has been noticably degraded. So it is *not* only branding that has changed. |
| 19:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 19:25.27 | muddd | !!! units |
| 19:25.39 | scx | jhutchins_lt: but i dont know where i should install grub |
| 19:25.41 | scx | jhutchins_lt: http://wstaw.org/w/cUu/ |
| 19:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | muddd: Probably searching for info on asterisk would be a good start. |
| 19:26.09 | jhutchins_lt | scx: Generally it goes on the MBR of the boot device. |
| 19:26.17 | cahoot | scx: do you miss any function in the current setup? |
| 19:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | so /dev/sda |
| 19:26.24 | muddd | oh i'd love to get asterisk set up but they already have a norstar device |
| 19:26.32 | muddd | but i will check ty |
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| 19:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | muddd: Info on asterisk is likely to lead to or be associated with other useful info. |
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| 19:27.34 | muddd | right on, thank you |
| 19:27.53 | scx | cahoot: i dont install grub from debian, so i am afraid about kernel upgrade, initrd update, etc |
| 19:28.17 | scx | cahoot: i just want to install grub package in Debian |
| 19:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | scx: So you're re-installing it from the debian repos now? |
| 19:28.31 | cahoot | seems like a 'don't fiw what's not broken' situation |
| 19:28.40 | jhutchins_lt | scx: Assuming sda is your boot device, install it to /dev/sda |
| 19:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: The original debian grub install failed, so he installed it from Ubuntu live, now he's fixing it. |
| 19:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | (This is my interpretation anyway.) |
| 19:29.23 | scx | jhutchins_lt: not exacly, i installed grub1 from ubuntu livecd, but debian have grub2 in repo by default |
| 19:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | Still. |
| 19:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | scx: is sda your boot device, or is the raid array boot? |
| 19:30.42 | scx | i have only sda, no others disk, no raid |
| 19:30.50 | scx | sdb is cdroom |
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| 19:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | I thought I saw a /dev/md something. |
| 19:31.09 | Arthur_N | Debian Stable installation hangs on partitioning :( |
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| 19:31.24 | jhutchins_lt | dm-1 |
| 19:31.37 | scx | jhutchins_lt: i tried check "sda" and "sda1", but i get warning: |
| 19:31.38 | scx | http://wklej.org/id/401457/txt/ |
| 19:31.46 | scx | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.. |
| 19:31.47 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: Partitioning or formatting? |
| 19:32.08 | jhutchins_lt | scx: That's because sda1 is a partition, not the mbr. sda should work. |
| 19:32.21 | scx | jhutchins_lt: dm-0 is crypto device, where i have lvm |
| 19:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | scx: If not, it should at least give you a different error message. |
| 19:33.13 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, um, I created a file system in partition manager, clicked on the Continue button, and now nothing seems to happen |
| 19:33.34 | scx | if i select both it will install on both (sda MBR and sda1)? |
| 19:33.44 | scx | jhutchins_lt: ^^ |
| 19:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: Disk activity? |
| 19:33.49 | Arthur_N | no |
| 19:33.56 | jhutchins_lt | scx: You don't want that. |
| 19:34.06 | scx | jhutchins_lt: why i dont want that? |
| 19:34.22 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, Ctrl + F1 shows a double free or corruption in debconf |
| 19:34.33 | scx | is it dual boot or something like that? |
| 19:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. a 2.4GHz celeron is just not enough CPU to run iceweasel. |
| 19:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: Hrm. Did your md5sum match? |
| 19:35.17 | Arthur_N | yeah |
| 19:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: CD verify on burn? |
| 19:35.21 | Arthur_N | yeah |
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| 19:35.46 | guysoft422 | hi all, i seem to have hit some kernel bug on my ext4 system, each time i run a command, it freezes my complete system, it comes with this output: http://pastebin.org/178780 |
| 19:35.53 | muddd | iceweasel being a cpu hog? i've had that issue |
| 19:36.13 | guysoft422 | muddd, i thought thats how iceweasel works.. |
| 19:36.35 | Arthur_N | looks like Debian doesn't like my machine :( |
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| 19:37.57 | Arthur_N | well, time for a hard reboot on it and hope nothing is broken :( |
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| 19:39.45 | Arthur_N | phew |
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| 19:59.47 | paccer | Arthur_N: hows the installation doing? |
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| 20:02.28 | Arthur_N | paccer, not at all :( |
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| 20:03.25 | Arthur_N | froze with a "depmod double float or corruption" |
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| 20:03.53 | paccer | Arthur_N: what issues did you have with ubuntu? |
| 20:04.16 | paccer | chances of ubuntu working out of the box is probably higher than debian |
| 20:04.22 | Arthur_N | ah, not much really, but in 10.04, I got random sound crashes |
| 20:04.37 | jackweb | Hello! Is it possible to show what was written on tty1 during running Debian? For example: starting apache2... etc.? |
| 20:04.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm looking for a magnifier for debian lenny, it should follow the cursor and it shouldn't require composite. |
| 20:04.55 | cahoot | Arthur_N: considered failing hw? |
| 20:05.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | cahoot: it's pulse audio |
| 20:05.12 | greycat | jackweb: you can enable a boot log by editing /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 20:05.13 | Arthur_N | paccer, in 10.10 I got a lot less graphics performance |
| 20:05.30 | jackweb | greycat: ok, thanks for the help ;) |
| 20:05.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | cahoot: it breaks a lot of stuff sometimes |
| 20:05.45 | cahoot | even so |
| 20:05.45 | Arthur_N | cahoot, failing hardware is unlikely. The hw is quite new |
| 20:05.51 | cahoot | even so |
| 20:05.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: just set everything in audio to alsa and you should be fine |
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| 20:06.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: I mean in ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 20:06.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: and if you're from ubuntu I doubt debian is what you want, unless you changed your mind about what you want :) |
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| 20:07.46 | cooolio | hello there, i've got an external usb hard drive with a full blown debian on it and i can work very well with that particular debian system when i plug the usb hard disk into my local machine and boot from usb, but when i do the same on my lenovo thinkpad notebook, grub appears and offers me to give it boot options etc. but when i try to boot it (the kernel in particular), i get "hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" |
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| 20:07.59 | Arthur_N | KaffeeJunky123, I want something that works perfectly once set up. I though Debian should be able to give me that. |
| 20:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: Actually, hardware problemw are more likely on very new hardware than on old. It might be worthwhile to open up the case and re-seat everything. |
| 20:08.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: in debian you'll have to configure lots of things yourself |
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| 20:08.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: and there's no distribution that works 'perfectly' once you've finished the installer |
| 20:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: Not really, debconf handles most things. |
| 20:08.58 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, it's not brand new, but something like half year old |
| 20:09.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: most do not have proper media support in their default repo |
| 20:09.05 | scx | jhutchins_lt: i selected "sda1" as you said, but now i cant boot linux |
| 20:09.15 | scx | (GRUB ERROR 15) |
| 20:09.25 | jhutchins_lt | scx: Right, becauwse you have to install it to the MBR, not to a partition. |
| 20:09.27 | Arthur_N | KaffeeJunky123, that's why I add repos. Simple |
| 20:09.44 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: google give you anything on that error? |
| 20:09.51 | Deathspawn | well, if i can get wifi to work in debian, i think ima switch over to it permanantly. |
| 20:09.54 | danols | where is the hostname store i.e. when I do hostname --fqd it outputs my hostname but I want to change it |
| 20:09.58 | cooolio | ...and some time later it tells me "Gave up waiting for root device. Common promlems..." and it seems that the system isn't waiting for the right device, but by changing the grub command to any of the attached devices, i get the same scenario, so: do you have any hint for me? |
| 20:10.08 | joltcan | danols: /etc/hostname maybe? |
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| 20:10.33 | danols | that only shows klisrv01 (some short version of it) |
| 20:10.46 | danols | of my actual hostname |
| 20:11.06 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, will need to reboot and recheck, working on it... |
| 20:11.54 | Arthur_N | KaffeeJunky123, I consider myself an intermediate user. I should be able to cope with Debian if I read the docs |
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| 20:12.02 | cooolio | btw, BusyBox can't fire up because of the following problem "/bin/sh: can*t access ty; job control turned off" |
| 20:12.28 | scx | jhutchins_lt: ok, thx |
| 20:12.31 | themill | danols: "man hostname" is useful; also /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 20:12.46 | cooolio | ...and i get a initramfs "shell"...anyone? |
| 20:12.53 | joltcan | danols: are you using DHCP? then I guess your client receives the rest of the fqdn from the dhcpclient |
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| 20:13.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arthur_N: that's a good thing |
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| 20:14.52 | mroe | Anyone have any suggestions for an OS ticket tracking system? RT seems to be pretty stagnant. |
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| 20:16.29 | helo | redmine is nice, and has nice source code version control integration |
| 20:16.44 | helo | good at handling multiple projects, or heirarchies of projects |
| 20:17.24 | helo | i've heard the plugin system is weak, but have never needed to use any |
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| 20:17.46 | Arthur_N | what? now things seems to work... O_o |
| 20:18.15 | jhutchins_lt | cooolio: It seems like the system can't see the USB drive, it can't set up the device on the hub. Possibly there are drivers that need to be in the initramfs. |
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| 20:18.30 | xreal | How can I run this in a screen? tar -c directory_to_compress/ | pbzip2 -c > myfile.tar.bz2 |
| 20:19.28 | greycat | well, the obvious way would be to type 'screen' and then type that command |
| 20:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: How about tar -cjvf <input dir> myfile.tbz? |
| 20:19.46 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: vice versa |
| 20:19.52 | Nephy | anyone here using pidgin on squeeze ? |
| 20:19.55 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: I need multithread. |
| 20:19.58 | greycat | I don't know what pbzip2 is either |
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| 20:20.21 | themill | ,info info pbzip2 |
| 20:20.22 | judd | Package info (doc, important) in lenny/i386: Standalone GNU Info documentation browser. Version: 4.11.dfsg.1-4; Size: 182.7k; Installed: 352k |
| 20:20.24 | helo | peanut butter zip |
| 20:20.26 | themill | ,info pbzip2 |
| 20:20.27 | judd | Package pbzip2 (utils, optional) in lenny/i386: parallel bzip2 implementation. Version: 1.0.2-0; Size: 22.6k; Installed: 84k |
| 20:20.36 | dondelelcaro | xreal: unless your disks are insanely fast, bzip isn't likely to be the limiting factor |
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| 20:20.43 | dondelelcaro | but whatever works |
| 20:20.44 | xreal | dondelelcaro: 6 HDDs in RAID-0 |
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| 20:21.18 | abrotman | Nephy: i am, not here though, why? |
| 20:21.19 | dondelelcaro | and I would have thought that pbzip2 would install an alternative |
| 20:21.23 | danols | should I use maildir or mbox ? if I use maildir will I run into any problems ? |
| 20:21.31 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: sata raid or a real raid controller? |
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| 20:21.39 | valdyn | danols: ask google |
| 20:21.47 | Arthur_N | I can swear I tried more than once, and now it suddenly works... wicked |
| 20:21.49 | dondelelcaro | danols: depends on what you're doing |
| 20:21.57 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: "real raid", but RAID is created by software. |
| 20:21.58 | Nephy | it does something weird and i wanted to know if its just my pc :) |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | if your MUA and MTA all know how to use maildir, you're fine |
| 20:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: I've definitely had that happen. |
| 20:22.02 | dondelelcaro | hrm; apparently it doesn't; strange. |
| 20:22.18 | greycat | (counting an IMAP server as an MUA there) |
| 20:22.22 | xreal | Hey stop: This all doesn't matter. I just need to find out, how to use the pipe in a screen. Tar outputs everything to stdout now. |
| 20:22.28 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: Dedicated raid controller? Which one? |
| 20:22.36 | greycat | xreal: well, the obvious way would be to type 'screen' and then type that command |
| 20:22.37 | dondelelcaro | xreal: sh -c 'blah blah blah' |
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| 20:22.47 | danols | dondelelcaro: just want to send out messages no mass mailing or anything - setting up exim4 and it's asking |
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| 20:23.01 | dondelelcaro | danols: do you actually want to receive mail on that machine? |
| 20:23.01 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Everything (from one of both apps) gets outputted to stdout then. |
| 20:23.03 | Nephy | when you start it does it allways ask for your password abrotman? |
| 20:23.04 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: You'll have to check the docs on pbzip to see how to make it take stdin. |
| 20:23.09 | dondelelcaro | xreal: uh. no, it won't |
| 20:23.15 | helo | wonders if xreal is aware of the program named "screen" |
| 20:23.19 | danols | dondelelcaro: no |
| 20:23.36 | dondelelcaro | xreal: screen sh -c 'tar -c directory_to_compress/ | pbzip2 -c > myfile.tar.bz2' |
| 20:23.45 | danols | only reason is that contact us forms work and some other apps I'm dev |
| 20:23.49 | danols | so server only outgoing |
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| 20:23.52 | dondelelcaro | danols: then install nullmailer or similar |
| 20:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | wonders wtf screen has to do with anything under discussion. |
| 20:24.01 | danols | dondelelcaro: requires a smart host |
| 20:24.02 | xreal | dondelelcaro: okay, wait. |
| 20:24.11 | dondelelcaro | danols: right, which is normally what you want |
| 20:24.12 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: This example is from the docs ;-) |
| 20:24.16 | jhutchins_lt | The question is how to correctly pipe tar to pbzip. |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: Did you try that actual command? |
| 20:24.32 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: This is the recommended way, hwo to use it. |
| 20:24.37 | danols | dondelelcaro: not it this case - using stmp google has limits plus what if the client changes their inquiries@blah.com password |
| 20:24.39 | danols | whole thing breaks |
| 20:24.42 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: In normal bash it works, in scren it doesn't. |
| 20:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | So why not just try it? |
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| 20:24.50 | danols | so any who maildir I think ? yes? |
| 20:24.50 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: assuming pbzip2 works anything like bzip2, his example looks fine to me. |
| 20:25.06 | greycat | danols: if you aren't delivering mail locally, it's a non-issue |
| 20:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 20:25.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:25.22 | xreal | dondelelcaro: your trick worked! |
| 20:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: See, now you're asking us about the REAL problem. |
| 20:25.24 | xreal | thanks! |
| 20:25.28 | danols | greycat: but I understand that some processes 'report' errors to local mailbox |
| 20:25.30 | dondelelcaro | xreal: it works just fine under screen. You need to understand how shell arguments are parsed |
| 20:25.32 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: he was all along. Just not very clearly. |
| 20:25.43 | danols | cron I think is one |
| 20:25.52 | danols | will it work with maildir ? |
| 20:25.55 | xreal | thanks for help!! |
| 20:25.56 | dondelelcaro | xreal: you are asking for the standard output of screen to be passed to pbzip2 and then redirected to a file in your shell, which isn't what you want |
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| 20:26.05 | greycat | danols: but you'll be telling your mail transport agent to alias 'root' to some real address |
| 20:26.23 | greycat | danols: if it's a non-local address, then you will have no local deliveries (unless some other non-root user also has crontab jobs) |
| 20:26.25 | dondelelcaro | xreal: where in reality, what you want is to start screen and have a shell running there which handles your commands |
| 20:26.38 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Does your solution solve this problem? |
| 20:26.40 | danols | greycat: ok that makes sense |
| 20:26.46 | danols | first time setting it up |
| 20:26.48 | danols | thanks |
| 20:26.55 | dondelelcaro | xreal: yes... |
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| 20:28.02 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I am gonna read it all up today. |
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| 20:28.48 | danols | greycat: it's a local address acctually we have a support@at our domain so I'll try maildir format and see what happens |
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| 20:29.06 | Arthur_N | debian stable had no ext4? Well, I somehow feel a little on the safer side with ext3 |
| 20:29.18 | greycat | Correct. No ext4 support in lenny. |
| 20:29.46 | abrotman | well, it has ext4, but not the right ext4 :) |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | there is an ext4_dev module available .. and the bpo kernel has the correct ext4 |
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| 20:31.29 | danols | crap |
| 20:31.31 | f8l | Every ext3 partition can be converted to what I call ext3and-a-half â it gets some ext4 features, but it does not become a full ext4 partition. |
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| 20:31.49 | danols | how can I reenter the postmaster and root recipients in exim4 i'm trying to do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:31.55 | danols | but this time it's not asking for those settings |
| 20:32.11 | themill | danols: that will just be in /etc/aliases |
| 20:32.38 | f8l | By the way. Is Squeeze going to have full ext4 support? |
| 20:33.01 | f8l | I mean the squeeze's installer as well. |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | it does already AIUI |
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| 20:34.48 | danols | themill: looking at the format I should add root: root right ? |
| 20:35.14 | danols | as right now it has root: my@email.com |
| 20:35.20 | Arthur_N | now installation looks like it has frozen again |
| 20:35.31 | greycat | "root: root" is bad. |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | danols: you should piont it at a real user on the smart host |
| 20:36.06 | greycat | it'll either loop back to itself, or be rejected out of hand as ridiculous, or it will do nothing |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | so if there is a danols@email.com .. and the system sends via smart host, it should probably read "root: danols" |
| 20:36.48 | danols | abrotman: it dosen't send through smart host |
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| 20:36.51 | danols | i've setup exim4 |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | exim4 can send via smarthost |
| 20:37.02 | danols | but I understand |
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| 20:37.05 | danols | abrotman: ohh cool |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | regardless .. you want to send root's email to a real user |
| 20:37.31 | danols | crap it doesn't seem to work |
| 20:37.39 | Arthur_N | I don't know if I'm willing to spend more time on trying to install when there obviously is something quite bad going on |
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| 20:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: It could be a kernel issue, which you could get around with kmuto |
| 20:39.02 | jhutchins_lt | !kmuto |
| 20:39.02 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 20:41.10 | Arthur_N | sorry, but my patience is over with Debian. If even installing the base system is a hassle, then Debian probably isn't for me. |
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| 20:41.55 | Arthur_N | I appreciate your kind help, but I simply don't want THAT much of a hassle ;) |
| 20:42.08 | valdyn | if installing is a measure for the OS you should be using preinstalled windows |
| 20:42.51 | muddd | it could be someting so absurdly simple that it's being overlooked. |
| 20:43.17 | Arthur_N | valdyn, I don't measure the OS. I measure my time to be more valuable than fiddling around just for the base system |
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| 20:44.03 | Mas0ne | Can anybody help me understand why libpam-unix2 locks users out? |
| 20:44.13 | Arthur_N | I can do after-install configurations. But when I put in a CD and install base system, I demand things should be working |
| 20:44.51 | Arthur_N | I'm not blaming Debian. But Debian and this machine doesn't play well it seems |
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| 20:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | Arthur_N: We'd be glad to help, but we really don't care what you end up running. |
| 20:46.34 | greycat | Is it failing to find his SATA disk controller, or what? |
| 20:47.19 | muddd | last I know it was hanging on the disk partitioner. |
| 20:47.24 | muddd | for Arthur_N |
| 20:47.28 | Arthur_N | jhutchins_lt, of course not. But I'm just sayin' don't spend more time on finding solutions, because I'm looking for something that will install on my system |
| 20:47.31 | valdyn | greycat: only error he gave us was some "double free", which sounds like a malloc bug |
| 20:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | Which he said went away, but then the installer froze on him again. |
| 20:48.11 | greycat | ah, freezes are a bitch to diagnose properly |
| 20:48.24 | valdyn | ....which would seem to say that the hardware could be broken |
| 20:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, but he feels that since it's six months old that's impossible. |
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| 20:48.57 | valdyn | ( or he's just using a broken testing installer ) |
| 20:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | Personally I'd reseat stuff. |
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| 20:49.07 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: No, he's on lenny. |
| 20:49.08 | themill | prescribes a 6" drop test on the hardware |
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| 20:50.16 | Arthur_N | lol, I just don't want to fool around with my computer to get basic functioning. It COULD be hw fault. But then I will soon find out anyway. For now, I just think Debian and my computer aren't buddies to put it simply |
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| 20:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | w/ever. |
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| 20:53.22 | paccer | Arthur_N: i'm guessing that in many/most cases, switching to debian from ubuntu because of problems, is unsuccessful |
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| 20:53.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hello, how can I make compiz work with Metacity themes for window borders from ccsm? It seems the window borders vanished while using compiz in testing |
| 20:55.01 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: does "gtk-window-decorator --replace" work for you, when they're gone? |
| 20:55.12 | Arthur_N | paccer, understandable because most of Ubuntu's user base want everything to be set up from the get go. I would like to try setting up myself for a change, but installer lockups aren't exactly my cup of tea |
| 20:55.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | let me see |
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| 20:55.34 | paccer | Arthur_N: hehe :) would piss me off to |
| 20:55.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | paccer : no such command. |
| 20:55.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any package to install? |
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| 20:56.24 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: uhm.. i guess gtk-window-decorator is supposed to be your default windows decorator or something - not sure though |
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| 20:58.10 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: maybe try installing libdecoration0 |
| 20:58.14 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i might be wrong |
| 20:58.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | let me try |
| 20:58.49 | muddd | Arthur_N, do you have a second computer to try something on? |
| 20:59.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | paccer: libdecoration0 is already installed .. hmm weird problem this is |
| 21:00.06 | Arthur_N | muddd, yeah, but that's the one I'm typing on - and it's a netbook |
| 21:00.27 | Arthur_N | don't want to fiddle too much around on it |
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| 21:01.05 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: sh4d3sl4y3r_ im pretty sure you can find your windows decorator setting somewhere in ccsm |
| 21:01.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | paccer: i tried importing a compiz profile from my notebook which has testing installed along with compiz. and it works.. |
| 21:01.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | after importing its not solved |
| 21:02.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and the notebook reports gtk-window-decorator is available |
| 21:02.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but not my desktop |
| 21:02.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i did install murrine. it has to do anything with this problem? |
| 21:02.54 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you could try installing that other.. uhm.. window decorator - im trying to remember what its name is |
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| 21:03.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | paccer: emerald ? |
| 21:03.14 | paccer | yeah |
| 21:03.19 | paccer | you could try emerald |
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| 21:05.07 | Deathspawn | KDE, Emerald, Fluxbox, xfce |
| 21:05.37 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what does your "Window Decorations", say in the Effects category? (command) |
| 21:05.44 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: in ccsm |
| 21:06.26 | paccer | Deathspawn: is it just me or isnt KDE, fluxbox and xfce a standalone window decorator? :/ |
| 21:06.33 | paccer | like emerald |
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| 21:06.57 | paccer | or gtk-window-decorator |
| 21:07.04 | project2501a | oh, show me the way to a little girl |
| 21:07.23 | greycat | s/a/the next/ |
| 21:07.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | window decorations are on |
| 21:07.34 | project2501a | what greycat said |
| 21:07.50 | paccer | sh4d3sl4y3r_: my question was which command? |
| 21:07.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | KDE is not a window decorator. its a desktop environment... fluxbox is a window manager... |
| 21:08.19 | project2501a | show me the way to the next ubuntard. |
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| 21:08.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | paccer problem solved. gtk-window-decorator comes with compiz-gnome package |
| 21:08.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 21:09.32 | paccer | :) |
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| 21:10.58 | paccer | project2501a: im not quite following you? |
| 21:11.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ubuntard |
| 21:11.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 21:11.35 | project2501a | paccer: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:11.40 | project2501a | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it is true |
| 21:11.42 | themill | perhaps we can keep it constructive and vaguely on topic... |
| 21:11.50 | paccer | project2501a: doors lyrics? |
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| 21:12.08 | project2501a | he took a face from the ancient gallery and he |
| 21:12.34 | project2501a | he asked for the next theme to make his computer work for humans.... |
| 21:12.45 | paccer | themill: im actively helping, right now - theres no questions - problem officer? |
| 21:12.48 | project2501a | puffs on the magic dragon |
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| 21:14.45 | paccer | :X |
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| 21:41.55 | crouton | hey guys.. i'm trying to setup a samba share between a winxp machine and a debian (lenny) machine. the problem i'm having is related to the network configuration. there is a linksys router with an 8-port switch that each winxp machine connects to. the linux machine connects to the router's internet port and there is another ethernet port on the linux machine that probably is the incoming/outgoing |
| 21:41.55 | crouton | internet traffic. |
| 21:43.12 | crouton | everything works in terms of internet. i have added a shared folder in windows xp but i can't ping the linux machine from my machine and i can't access the shared folder from the linux machine. |
| 21:44.35 | helo | crouton: you have one private network with the winxp machines and the linksys router's internal port, and another private network that includes the router's internet port and the linux machine's internal nic |
| 21:45.07 | helo | crouton: it will be hard to get traffic from one private network to to through the router, which is probably designed to disallow private network packets from traversing it |
| 21:45.19 | crouton | i see |
| 21:45.40 | helo | crouton: you would be better off moving the linux machine to the winxp network behind the router (linux machine on a static ip), and use port forwarding on the router to forward relevant services from the outside |
| 21:45.44 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:46.03 | Agiofws | can anyone here help me install hugin on debian via its package manager |
| 21:46.12 | Agiofws | i am having dep. problems |
| 21:46.30 | helo | crouton: at least, that's what I did when i had this issue :) |
| 21:46.52 | helo | the linux machine will enjoy a more protected environment as well... |
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| 21:46.58 | Agiofws | hugin: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libhuginvigraimpex.so.0.0: undefined symbol: _ZN4half5_eLutE |
| 21:46.59 | Agiofws | ? |
| 21:47.12 | crouton | hmm.. yea. i don't know why the linux machine is outside the router |
| 21:48.43 | legis | Hi, is using a targeted initrd instead of the generic one from the install can cause the keyboard to not work during boot? I created a encrypted partition but can't type in the passphrase :/ |
| 21:49.01 | helo | did you try a ps/2 keyboard? |
| 21:49.39 | legis | no, don't have one around rigth now. |
| 21:50.11 | helo | well it can if you're using a usb keyboard and forget to include the usbhid (maybe some other similar name) module |
| 21:50.17 | themill | Agiofws: hang on... didn't we sort this out earlier? |
| 21:50.32 | Agiofws | nope themill |
| 21:50.39 | Agiofws | i did not sort this out |
| 21:50.58 | themill | Wasn't the conclusion that you had an unknown amount of locally installed crap in /usr/local and that you were going to clean it up? |
| 21:51.11 | legis | helo: will look for one I guess, better than reinstalling, it took a lot of time |
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| 21:51.32 | Agiofws | themill, well its sort of unknown to me aswell then |
| 21:51.41 | helo | woah hugin is neat |
| 21:51.45 | themill | Agiofws: look at that symbol error... *nothing* in debian is in /usr/local. If you're seeing errors from stuff in /usr/local, it's not gog anything to do with debian packages but with other stuff that you've installed. |
| 21:52.10 | Agiofws | *nothing* in debian is in /usr/local ? |
| 21:52.11 | helo | legis: yeah... :/ |
| 21:52.17 | themill | Agiofws: absolutely nothing. |
| 21:52.25 | Agiofws | so why is it looking in /usr/local ? |
| 21:53.16 | themill | Agiofws: because you've put things in there. /usr/local is there for the admin to stick their own copies of things and it is standard that whatever you have installed there you want to be used in preference to what the package manager has installed. |
| 21:53.33 | Agiofws | i dont think the best way to fix this is to just delete libs from usr/local right ? |
| 21:54.01 | themill | Agiofws: I'd be moving them out of the way just in case. The output of "ldd /usr/bin/hugin" might be instructive. |
| 21:54.41 | legis | helo: how do I add the module after getting in so I can use the USB keyboard? |
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| 21:55.26 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/Z5h78ECu themill |
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| 21:56.09 | themill | Agiofws: that's picking up quite a few libraries from /usr/local, isn't it? That can't be good. |
| 21:56.37 | Agiofws | maybe its the devs fault ? |
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| 21:56.56 | themill | Agiofws: umm... no. |
| 21:57.06 | arcsky | ist possible to send a processes (irssi) to a screen ? |
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| 21:57.47 | Agiofws | ok do i delete the libs move them ? wont i break other things ? its seems to risky ... |
| 21:59.20 | themill | Agiofws: (actually, they're private libraries that probably should go elsewhere and they should probably have decent sonames, and doing that would help prevent this... but basically everything is behaving as expected.... you install incompatible libraries with the same names and stuff breaks) |
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| 21:59.34 | themill | all of these libraries are called "libhugin" ... I wouldn't have thought much else would use them |
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| 22:00.53 | akkad | ponders why avahi-daemon has to open 5353 udp up |
| 22:01.00 | themill | mdns |
| 22:01.38 | akkad | is it installed by default? could be our image maintainer stuck it on there. |
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| 22:02.35 | syn4pse | i don`t know why it created a socklisten on that ip |
| 22:02.43 | syn4pse | but you can use iptables to reject any incoming requests on that port |
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| 22:02.57 | themill | akkad: "default" means different things to different people.... no, it's not part of the base install but a lot of other things will drag it in |
| 22:03.11 | Agiofws | themill, so what should i do ? ? |
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| 22:03.47 | syn4pse | Agiofws ok do i delete the libs move them ? wont i break other things ? its seems to risky ... <- the great thing about linux, create backups give it a try and if you fail copy it back ;) |
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| 22:04.57 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 22:08.33 | akkad | yeah trying to shut down ports. so mdns was a suprise to find open. |
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| 22:11.17 | Kaizen | i can't install anything.. heylpppp http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/513435/ |
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| 22:12.38 | Arthur_N | Kaizen, are you running Debian, or Ubuntu? If the latter, I'd suggest you go to #ubuntu |
| 22:12.54 | Kaizen | debian |
| 22:13.00 | helo | legis: it's been a while since i've done that, but probably /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
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| 22:14.49 | helo | legis: err, /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is the file to add the module to... i think usbhid is required for usb keyboard, but i'm not sure if there are any others |
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| 22:15.16 | helo | surely someone else is more familiar with what you need ;) |
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| 22:16.43 | legis | helo: that's a start, I'll look into it, thanks. |
| 22:21.38 | iceroot | i am getting every few seconds this on all my shells. cant find out what is sending it. debug2: channel 0: window 998978 sent adjust 49598. using lenny |
| 22:22.09 | iceroot | what to do to find out what is sending it? grep on /var/log/ is showing nothing |
| 22:22.19 | petemc | iceroot: did you use ssh -vvv ? |
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| 22:22.24 | iceroot | petemc: yes |
| 22:22.31 | iceroot | petemc: ah ok, thank you |
| 22:22.35 | petemc | np |
| 22:24.29 | iceroot | petemc: great, without -vvv my shell is quit :) never thought -vvv is active after a successfull connect |
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| 22:25.34 | karmatronic | iceroot: :9 |
| 22:25.36 | karmatronic | :9 |
| 22:25.39 | karmatronic | :) |
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| 22:27.26 | ChmEarl | file vmlinuz-xen, reads vmlinuz-xen: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
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| 22:38.12 | alfonso | Hi. Why does dd doesnt work with windows xp ISO? |
| 22:38.28 | KB1JWQ | alfonso: Depends, what was your command? |
| 22:38.31 | prgmrchris | how do you make apt recreate config files when install a package? i removed a package with apt-get --purge remove then when i reinstall it doesnt create the files under /etc for that package |
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| 22:38.58 | jordanm | alfonso: if you are trying to burn the iso, you probably want wodim |
| 22:39.14 | alfonso | KB1JWQ: Hi. dd if=WINXPISO.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 22:39.31 | KB1JWQ | alfonso: bs=1024 for one. |
| 22:39.59 | jordanm | alfonso: that command should work, but its not going to do what I think you expect it to |
| 22:41.37 | alfonso | jordanm: I've to just install windows xp. |
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| 22:41.44 | alfonso | from usb stick (netbook) |
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| 22:42.45 | jordanm | alfonso: I don't think such a legacy OS supports that. check with ##windows |
| 22:42.57 | pobega | alfonso: booting from USBstick is a bit trickier than just copying the contents of the ISO to the drive. |
| 22:43.07 | jordanm | you still had to use floppy for drives... |
| 22:43.15 | jordanm | s/drives/drivers/ |
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| 22:43.34 | pobega | alfonso: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/windowsxpusb |
| 22:44.13 | pobega | alfonso: Also, a quick Google would've shown that (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=windows%20xp%20from%20usb&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) |
| 22:44.28 | alfonso | pobega: I'm on debian :| |
| 22:44.36 | pobega | alfonso: oooooooh |
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| 22:44.47 | jordanm | otherwise, he wouldn't be getting support here.. |
| 22:45.08 | pobega | alfonso: I've never seen it done from Linux, generally. At least not for an XP ISO. |
| 22:45.37 | pobega | (I could've sworn that wiki had Linux stuff on it, guess I was proven wrong) |
| 22:45.55 | jordanm | anyways, I still say ##windows. we help users burn/create debian installation medium from windows, so I would expect their support to work that way as well |
| 22:46.42 | legis | use a USB-cdrom :P |
| 22:46.51 | alfonso | ok, thanks :) |
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| 22:49.58 | alkii | is running fsck on a mounted volume (read-only!!) something that commonly eats the entire file layout, leaving only lost+found, or would that more likely have other causes? |
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| 22:51.55 | jordanm | alkii: did you use -n? |
| 22:52.18 | alkii | jordanm: yes |
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| 22:52.37 | alkii | that is what i meant with read-only |
| 22:53.01 | alkii | I ran fsck, it said "don't run this if shit is mounted!!", I figured "ok I'm gonna use read-only mode, I just wanna know if anything is absurdly broken" and then my whole system imploded, I could not re-enter any screen session after leaving it (all my screen sessions were gone), I rebooted the machine into rescue system, ran a proper fsck with everything, and now there are just some |
| 22:53.01 | alkii | 150000-450000 files in lost+found |
| 22:53.19 | alkii | is this because i'm dumb (by running fsck on a mounted volume) or because my file system did actually have serious issues? :P |
| 22:53.28 | jordanm | right, if there is major filesystem corruption, fsck will only make it worse |
| 22:53.39 | jordanm | alkii: the later |
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| 23:19.03 | danols | hi gals and guys |
| 23:19.29 | danols | could anyone with experience in setting up exim4 lend a hand? |
| 23:19.36 | danols | I got it setup but it ain't sending |
| 23:19.46 | danols | and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it |
| 23:20.03 | jordanm | danols: what does the error logs say? what kind of setup are you trying to do? |
| 23:20.35 | danols | where are the logs? |
| 23:20.39 | danols | see I'm really lost |
| 23:20.43 | danols | :) |
| 23:20.45 | jordanm | danols: /var/log/exim4/* |
| 23:20.51 | danols | thank you! |
| 23:20.54 | danols | I'll take a look |
| 23:21.27 | danols | woah ok |
| 23:22.39 | danols | got two issues one is the 'receiving' end throws some alias virtual table and one on my side when the returning message gets bounced : see here http://dpaste.com/258063/ can someone clarify this? |
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| 23:24.09 | abrotman | danols: didn't you set it up to use a smart host ? |
| 23:24.28 | danols | abrotman: no |
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| 23:24.39 | danols | I used a tutorial |
| 23:24.53 | danols | I really just need to send server side messages from our deployed sites |
| 23:25.18 | danols | right now we are using google but if the password is changed or you get the 'captcha' things just brake |
| 23:25.32 | danols | google stmp servers |
| 23:25.40 | valdyn | danols: line 3: danols.com MX is not accepting mail, line 4: klinsight.com has no MX |
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| 23:26.22 | jordanm | valdyn: I thought the same, but in fact it appears to |
| 23:26.25 | valdyn | danols: ( or obviously "no MX" could just aswell be that you name resolution does not work at all ) |
| 23:26.42 | jordanm | ah, right, problem with *his* dns.. |
| 23:27.38 | danols | I can send to both no problem using my normal client |
| 23:27.42 | danols | hmmm |
| 23:28.03 | danols | i'm puzzled |
| 23:28.31 | danols | the MX records are with the host company |
| 23:28.43 | danols | for klinsight they point to google aps |
| 23:28.57 | danols | for danols it points to that hosting company's mail server |
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| 23:29.06 | danols | i'll try another test email see if that goes through\ |
| 23:29.13 | valdyn | danols: danols.com seems to throw an error but it also seems to work ( "Completed" ), dont know what that means |
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| 23:31.11 | valdyn | danols: maybe thats just an instant retry, they have a few MX |
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| 23:32.19 | danols | valdyn: when I sent it to my personal gmail it worked |
| 23:32.22 | danols | though it was marked as spam |
| 23:32.58 | danols | so your theories seem to be right just don't understand why I can send and recieve from 'when I'm logged into the web interface' |
| 23:33.16 | valdyn | !greylisting |
| 23:33.16 | dpkg | i guess greylisting is a method of blocking significant amounts of spam at the mailserver level, without resorting to heavyweight statistical analysis or other heuristical (and error-prone) approaches. See http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html for the skinny. See also <postgrey>. |
| 23:33.37 | danols | valdyn: ? |
| 23:33.44 | jordanm | all the setups I have seen mention that greylisting occured in the bounce |
| 23:33.52 | valdyn | danols: ^^^can be annoying when testing |
| 23:34.14 | danols | I never setup MTA so please pretend I'm retarded and clarify :| |
| 23:34.17 | valdyn | jordanm: yea i dont see this being the case here |
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| 23:34.52 | valdyn | danols: greylisting just means that the remote end lets you fail and exim4 will retry later and it will work fine |
| 23:35.07 | danols | valdyn: I see |
| 23:35.08 | danols | ok |
| 23:35.14 | danols | maybe this will help: |
| 23:35.26 | danols | our server is klinsight.com thats where exim4 has been installed |
| 23:35.53 | danols | our godaddy dns points to linode (hosting) |
| 23:35.53 | danols | in there we have mx records points to google aps |
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| 23:35.59 | danols | so foo@klinsight.com is acctually handled by google aps |
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| 23:36.24 | danols | but the reason to install this light send only MTA is for server side logic etc |
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| 23:36.42 | valdyn | danols: so its trying to deliver to itself and fails? |
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| 23:36.54 | danols | valdyn: i don't know |
| 23:37.16 | danols | well if I test it foo@klinsight never leaves exim4 as it 'loca' |
| 23:37.27 | danols | so tries to deliver it to that users mailbox and fails as foo doesn't exist |
| 23:37.30 | valdyn | danols: this is you should really be using the smarthost thing |
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| 23:37.52 | danols | smarthost means I still use another stmp server right ? |
| 23:38.14 | valdyn | danols: smarthost means that all mail will go to the smarthost and the smarthost delivers |
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| 23:38.42 | danols | danols: yes which is really what I'm doing now just setup a user/pass in our apps code and log in under that user than send mail |
| 23:38.50 | valdyn | danols: typical smarthosts will need you to authenticate to deliver to random destinations |
| 23:39.02 | danols | or I'm way off on what a smarthost is |
| 23:39.11 | valdyn | danols: or if they dont then they are spammers if they want or not |
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| 23:39.39 | valdyn | danols: a smarthost is just one mail relay delivering all mail for you |
| 23:39.44 | valdyn | danols: like a post office |
| 23:40.00 | danols | are there free smarthosts ? |
| 23:40.16 | valdyn | danols: uh? |
| 23:40.21 | valdyn | danols: hundreds? |
| 23:40.35 | valdyn | danols: google, yahoo, gmx, whatever will rely mail for you |
| 23:40.47 | danols | valdyn: ok so I am correct |
| 23:40.49 | valdyn | danols: but obviously only for that mail account you made there |
| 23:40.51 | danols | I register an account with them |
| 23:40.55 | danols | and use their STMP to send |
| 23:41.25 | valdyn | danols: you already have klinsight.com MX accounts, I thought |
| 23:41.32 | danols | valdyn: yes |
| 23:41.40 | danols | maybe let me tell you why I'm looking into this |
| 23:41.44 | valdyn | danols: and danols.com also |
| 23:41.49 | danols | yes |
| 23:42.00 | valdyn | danols: so let them be smarthost for you |
| 23:42.00 | danols | each of our clients right now has inquiries@foo.com |
| 23:42.37 | danols | some code on site sends auto email (contact_us form for example) by login in under inquiries@foo.com |
| 23:42.50 | danols | but what if client changes inquiries@foo.com pass than the hole system breaks |
| 23:43.05 | danols | so what I want do do is setup a light stmp server that just sends |
| 23:43.19 | danols | i.e. no-replay@client1.com, no-replay@client2.com etc |
| 23:43.25 | danols | hope that clarifies it |
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| 23:43.54 | valdyn | danols: so you need to add no-replay accounts at your mail provider.. |
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| 23:44.02 | danols | valdyn: yeah true |
| 23:44.04 | danols | that's one sollution |
| 23:44.22 | danols | but humor me is what I want possible ? |
| 23:44.44 | valdyn | danols: yea, but it will also easily be cought by spam filters |
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| 23:44.52 | danols | valdyn: how come? |
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| 23:45.05 | valdyn | danols: your sending machine should have an MX entry |
| 23:45.10 | RudyValencia | Hi, why does Pidgin not have MSN Messenger as an option for connecting? |
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| 23:45.45 | danols | but they will |
| 23:45.52 | danols | most of our clients will use MX pointing to google aps |
| 23:45.59 | valdyn | danols: if you send as danols.com then dig mx danols.com should list your sending box |
| 23:46.02 | danols | so even if it comes from no-replay@client.com |
| 23:46.21 | danols | ok...? |
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| 23:47.20 | danols | valdyn: I'm still puzzled each client does have MX records they just point to Google Aps - so they shouldn't be flagged as spam yes? |
| 23:47.52 | danols | again I'm sorry I'm a total neeewg to this aspect of hosting |
| 23:48.01 | valdyn | danols: if the sender has an mx entry then thats fine |
| 23:48.29 | jordanm | danols: gmail stopped flagging my stuff with spam after I setup an SPF record |
| 23:49.37 | danols | valdyn: question the recieving end will use klinsight.com to check for MX or the IP source of the email? |
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| 23:49.57 | danols | if it's IP source than that box has no DNS 'service' installed or whatever you would need\ |
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| 23:50.06 | danols | jordanm: SPF record ? |
| 23:50.14 | jordanm | !spf |
| 23:50.14 | dpkg | i heard spf is the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From) is an e-mail validation system for preventing <spam>. http://www.openspf.org/ #spf on irc.perl.org. |
| 23:50.33 | valdyn | danols: the recieving smtp server might check thats the sending ip matches an mx record |
| 23:50.54 | jordanm | dpkg: spf is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
| 23:50.54 | dpkg | okay, jordanm |
| 23:50.54 | danols | another anti spam protection right ? |
| 23:51.01 | valdyn | danols: thats just one reason why someone might mark you as spam, theres more, sure |
| 23:51.10 | danols | ok freck! |
| 23:51.37 | valdyn | danols: thats why you use a smarthost and leave this to people who know this stuff |
| 23:51.40 | jordanm | danols: sa attaches the scores to the email headers, perhaps gmail does the same |
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| 23:52.19 | danols | still I can just envision some client decides to change the pass on no-reply account and sxxt hits the fan |
| 23:52.51 | danols | so what with your experience would you guys do ? |
| 23:53.05 | jordanm | hire someone who knows what they are doing |
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| 23:53.36 | danols | jordanm: well so they set this system up ? |
| 23:53.53 | valdyn | i dont get why you even need their passwords |
| 23:54.04 | danols | valdyn: ? |
| 23:54.14 | danols | well for google to send mail you need to auth |
| 23:54.18 | danols | so password and username |
| 23:54.19 | valdyn | ok |
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| 23:54.41 | valdyn | they admin the account you want to send mail from |
| 23:54.48 | jordanm | and why would the client have the ability to change your google username and password? |
| 23:54.53 | valdyn | thats fucked up |
| 23:55.03 | danols | jordanm: because they get one admiin account to manage google aps |
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| 23:55.13 | danols | which means same perms as our support account |
| 23:55.16 | danols | it's all or nothing |
| 23:55.28 | valdyn | danols: why cant you send from a seperate google account? |
| 23:55.36 | jordanm | its and design problem |
| 23:55.40 | danols | another option I already is sending from our google email account |
| 23:55.40 | jordanm | s/and/a/ |
| 23:55.50 | danols | valdyn: but they google overwrites from field |
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| 23:56.09 | danols | so rather than comming from no-replay@client.com it will show no-replay@oursite.com |
| 23:56.46 | danols | or is that only for gmail personal... hmm i never really tested but I'm sure they do |
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| 23:57.06 | valdyn | danols: sure they will do that |
| 23:57.32 | danols | and hence my reasons for picking your brains tonight :) |
| 23:57.54 | valdyn | danols: noreply@client1-support.com |
| 23:58.26 | valdyn | danols: or ask your clients not to mess with that account |
| 23:58.40 | danols | very good suggestion!!!!! |
| 23:58.45 | danols | the first one |