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| 00:01.14 | kurtis | botmind: Try Debian Lenny or even Squeeze |
| 00:02.38 | botmind | kurtis: yes, that's the next thing I am going to try.. download Lenny CD, burn and try, but you think it might help? many driver updates? |
| 00:02.52 | kurtis | botmind: Yeah, especially with the newer kernel it should help |
| 00:02.53 | stew | botmind: i assume you mean 60hz not 60mhz :) is it possible that xorg is correctly detecting that 60hz is the fastest your monitor does? (60hz is the max for many (most? all?) lcd panels) |
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| 00:03.11 | Fandekasp | hi |
| 00:04.04 | botmind | stew: 60hz, yes, sorry.. and no.. this is CRT 17", few days ago I was running it on 85Hz but this different hardware.. |
| 00:04.11 | Fandekasp | I had to switch from python2.6 to python2.5, and got my virtualenv broken. Here is my output : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/273365/ . Do you know how can I specify aptitude to install python-pkg-resources for python2.6 ? |
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| 00:04.36 | botmind | kurtis: ok, thanks for the inspiration.. will be trying now |
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| 00:05.14 | Fandekasp | python2.5 sorry |
| 00:05.25 | kurtis | botmind: No problem. Good luck! |
| 00:05.36 | botmind | kurtis: thx again! |
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| 00:06.00 | orbitalcommand | i want to connect to the ip of a wifi provider. i can see the provider if i 'iwlist wlan0 scan #' but it doesnt seem to list his ipaddress. how can i ping that provider with the info given in the iwlist list |
| 00:06.57 | kurtis | botmind: If you want to update without downloading a new CD, you can just change your repositories to use lenny and do the aptitude update; aptitude upgrade commands. But it can be a hassle sometimes ... the CD might be more straight-forwards |
| 00:07.02 | blip2 | orbitalcommand: umm |
| 00:07.29 | blip2 | what you are seeing is a wireless access point |
| 00:07.30 | stew | botmind: uh no, that is NOT how you'd want to upgrade from etch to lenny. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:07.41 | blip2 | it doesn't neccessarilly have a IP accosiated with it |
| 00:07.54 | kurtis | stew: ahh okay. Thanks :) I"ve never went from etch to lenny ... I did that going from Lenny to Squeeze |
| 00:08.05 | blip2 | you would probably want to use dhcp to find IPs from an unknown network |
| 00:08.19 | blip2 | assuming there is something listening/serving dhcp |
| 00:08.58 | orbitalcommand | blip2: is dhcp a gnu command |
| 00:09.03 | blip2 | no |
| 00:09.09 | botmind | kurtis: yes, I've done this already once and it was successful! |
| 00:09.40 | botmind | but I also want to have the CD for the possible future fresh installs |
| 00:09.57 | stew | botmind: you really should be looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:10.02 | botmind | stew: well, why not? I've done this already once a while ago |
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| 00:10.13 | kingsley | Is it necessary for emails to have a "Reply-To:" header, or can virtually all email applications reply to the "From:" header? |
| 00:11.07 | blip2 | kingsley: From: is fine |
| 00:11.14 | blip2 | Reply-To: is an addition |
| 00:11.15 | kurtis | Does anyone happen to know how to turn off the Xorg "Blanking Out" after idle feature? I asked in #xorg but it's been a while and I've gotten no response |
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| 00:12.00 | stew | kingsley: definately not necessary, unless you want it to be different than From: |
| 00:12.38 | kingsley | blip2 and the-ever-helpful-stew: Thanks. |
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| 00:13.57 | stew | kingsley: the ONLY required fields are Date and From (and Sender if From is mutiple addresses), everything else is optional |
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| 00:14.36 | laurus | Can PostScript/EPS generators utilize foreign characters in TTF fonts that are located in the ~/.fonts folder? |
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| 00:15.50 | botmind | stew: as for X.0.log ..uhm well.. The thing is that to make my machine boot at least to linux console, I had to disable the AGP card in bios and physically switch the monitor cable to the motherboard video port.. so KDE is even the secondary problem |
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| 00:21.56 | SparFux | Hi. How to install the 32-bit version of libz.so.1 in debian sid? |
| 00:22.05 | BlackFate | I have an application called ezstream which starts lame and madplay process. When i run from the terminal all work fine, but if i put it inside crontab i get high cpu usage and no child processes start. I used &> /dev/null but still the same |
| 00:22.52 | stew | SparFux: aptitude install lib32z1 |
| 00:22.55 | stew | SparFux: see /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:23.41 | SparFux | stew: aha. that package is installed already and still the linux version of secondlife viewerr doesn't find it :-( |
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| 00:27.33 | Raptors | fbs, does your bluetooth dongle show up under /dev/input? |
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| 00:29.51 | phaeton | hi guis. |
| 00:30.43 | phaeton | is there a way to install an entire software section in Debian? I.e. "apt-get install games" to install all the games on the mirror? |
| 00:30.58 | botmind | SparFux: noticed you mentioned SecondLife.. is it really working now on Linux? I've purchased the AGP to "play" it as one of the reasons |
| 00:31.04 | macrobat | phaeton: tasksel |
| 00:34.00 | macrobat | nvm, there aren't many tasks listed with tasksel --list-tasks |
| 00:34.41 | botmind | hmm too bad http://cdimage.debian.org doesn't support resuming option... |
| 00:35.52 | phaeton | yeah i tried tasksel first |
| 00:36.18 | peterrooney | botmind: torrents are available |
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| 00:37.41 | botmind | peterrooney: are there many seeders? also basic KDE setup doesn't have any torrent clients :\ |
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| 00:38.13 | botmind | and Kget doesn't support it as well.. |
| 00:38.57 | qq- | wget -c |
| 00:39.01 | smacnay | I have a card reader that seems to have gone 'off-line' (it won't read anything). How can I force this device to reset? |
| 00:39.22 | smacnay | This is an internal usb device. |
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| 00:41.45 | stew | peterrooney: aptitude install '~sgames' |
| 00:41.48 | stew | phaeton: ^^ |
| 00:41.54 | botmind | qq-: Kget download manager also supports resuming, but the issue is that debian http server doesn't support it, so wget -c won't help as well as it seems |
| 00:42.24 | kingsley | How can one tell if a certain host supports the POP3 email protocol? |
| 00:42.40 | stew | kingsley: telnet hostname 110 ? |
| 00:43.11 | phaeton | stew thanks |
| 00:44.02 | feld | upgrading a server from sarg to lenny -- had custom compiled crap ages ago |
| 00:44.10 | kingsley | stew: telent worked. Thanks. |
| 00:44.15 | feld | somehow the *system* apache2 thinks the php.ini file is in /www/blah/blah |
| 00:44.26 | feld | where do you designate where the php.ini file should be? |
| 00:44.34 | feld | i cant find any configs anywhere that say "look for the php.ini here" heh |
| 00:44.43 | feld | i guess i always just thought it was /etc/php.ini |
| 00:45.45 | stew | feld: from sarge to lenny? you should be upgrading to etch first |
| 00:46.11 | phaeton | lol 2h45m |
| 00:46.17 | feld | stew: did |
| 00:46.21 | feld | but that's besides the point |
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| 00:49.54 | botmind | also KDE complains about the soundcard not present.. when I do lspci I can't really see anything related to sound.. may this also be the driver issue during debian install? |
| 00:51.36 | botmind | or is this strictly a hardware issue if lspci doesn't show it? |
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| 01:10.36 | paxcoder | hey people. i don't have a hibernate button. help. :-) |
| 01:11.52 | seidos | paxcoder, well, you might be able to hibernate by typing sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
| 01:12.06 | seidos | paxcoder, but, i'm not sure how to map that to a key yet, so if you figure it out, let me know :| |
| 01:12.17 | paxcoder | seidos, no ideas how to turn it on for the shutdown dialog? |
| 01:12.45 | Coweater | in what? gnome? |
| 01:12.49 | paxcoder | yep |
| 01:13.09 | paxcoder | should be there. was there. isn't there. |
| 01:13.17 | seidos | paxcoder, i don't know, sorry. i shouldn't have said anything. |
| 01:14.01 | paxcoder | seidos, thanks for the tip, i'll use that for now if no one knows how to turn it on. |
| 01:14.08 | paxcoder | Coweater, ? |
| 01:14.15 | Coweater | with gconf-editor you can enable /apps/gnome-power-maneger/can_hibernate |
| 01:14.25 | Coweater | not sure if that is a solution though |
| 01:15.37 | paxcoder | Coweater, probably is. I'm sorry, I've searched for "hibernate" via gconf, but nothing was ticked (as in: what to search exactly keys/values), and I've got no specific warning. Just didn't notice. Will try |
| 01:16.56 | paxcoder | Coweater, no, all is enabled there. It wouldn't be suspend instead, would it? |
| 01:17.19 | Coweater | i don't know, seems unlikely, sorry |
| 01:17.50 | paxcoder | really strange. did a search, checked all keys |
| 01:18.31 | paxcoder | thx. |
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| 01:21.33 | rafaelsoaresbr | how to edit fstab and give everybody write permission (ext2 file system)? |
| 01:23.46 | simonrvn | !wayttd rafaelsoaresbr |
| 01:23.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rafaelsoaresbr? |
| 01:24.26 | rafaelsoaresbr | I don't want to use chown or chmod |
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| 01:26.33 | icebrain | Will Debian switch from OOo to LibreOffice? Has anything been discussed about it? |
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| 01:33.02 | mmnicolas | wow, i wasnt aware of that mega issue |
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| 01:33.23 | mmnicolas | this is happening because of the whole oracle buying sun thing ? |
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| 01:37.30 | icebrain | mmnicolas: yeah. And Oracle not being exactly OSS friendly, as it seems |
| 01:38.29 | rking | I know about ssh/ssl/gpg, anonymizer web services, and a few smatterings of concepts like steganography; what crypto topics do I not yet know about? |
| 01:39.17 | nsadmin | the ones you haven't found out about? |
| 01:39.39 | blip2 | rking: roll your own? |
| 01:39.46 | rking | nsadmin: Yeah. What types of things do people who really lock their commo down do that I don't know about? |
| 01:39.54 | rking | blip2: Good point. Excellent. |
| 01:40.35 | icebrain | rking: maybe join ##crypto and ask them? |
| 01:40.35 | rking | blip2: Plus, of course, ancient human methods such as being really obscure |
| 01:40.47 | blip2 | indeed |
| 01:40.49 | rking | icebrain: Right, right... on-topic |
| 01:41.10 | icebrain | rking: it's not that, it's that they probably know better than most people here |
| 01:41.11 | dyek | Hi! My installation thumbdrive can't find the ISO image in iso-scan and can't recognize my Ethernet card. How do I make sure that I have what is necessary to install Debian over the Internet? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST ; I'm currently using only hd-media/boot.img.gz and netboot/mini.iso. What have I not done? Is a netboot installer not put on the thumbdrive yet? In fact, is netbo |
| 01:41.12 | dyek | ot referring to TFTP? Or installation over Internet? |
| 01:41.35 | icebrain | netboot is TFTP, IIRC |
| 01:41.54 | icebrain | for over 'net, you need netinst, IINM |
| 01:41.56 | dyek | icebrain: Thanks! |
| 01:42.02 | icebrain | !netboot |
| 01:42.02 | dpkg | hmm... netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
| 01:43.31 | blip2 | dyek: umm |
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| 01:44.09 | blip2 | nvm acutally, I'm just far too tired... |
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| 01:44.50 | DrPantsssss | Where can I find default package config files, like imapd.cnf for courier imap ssl? |
| 01:45.25 | blip2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:45.43 | nsadmin | a package will either have them in one of the tarballs or generate them upon package install |
| 01:46.21 | blip2 | nsadmin: that's a bold generalisation :p |
| 01:46.52 | dyek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.52 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 01:46.57 | DrPantsssss | Ok cool, is there any way to force a config overwrite/purge/etc? Basically I'm just trying to reinstall a package that had its directory removed |
| 01:46.59 | nsadmin | what can I say... I'm a bold generalizer! |
| 01:47.27 | blip2 | DrPantsssss: you could apt purge then install |
| 01:47.47 | blip2 | look at the file listing for the package on the debian packages site |
| 01:47.49 | nsadmin | I'd say back up the existing configs then either do the confmiss thing or purge/reinstall the package |
| 01:48.13 | blip2 | yup dpkg-reconfigure might be worth a shot too |
| 01:48.17 | blip2 | depending on the package |
| 01:48.34 | DrPantsssss | blip2, this is what I get on purge: http://pastebin.com/qGXnPZAP |
| 01:48.38 | DrPantsssss | I'll try a reconfigure now |
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| 01:48.48 | Baloo | Hmm, I got a network-manager stumper on Debian testing. |
| 01:49.11 | DrPantsssss | reconfigure gives "courier-imap-ssl is broken or not fully installed" |
| 01:49.31 | blip2 | DrPantsssss: yup |
| 01:49.34 | nsadmin | ok, then install it over what's there, then purge/reinstall |
| 01:49.42 | blip2 | ^- |
| 01:49.54 | blip2 | might need to manually kill the process first though |
| 01:49.59 | blip2 | looks like it's still running |
| 01:50.08 | DrPantsssss | ah ok, that makes sense |
| 01:50.13 | mainer | or try apt-get -f install |
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| 01:50.53 | blip2 | actually I'm talking rubbish - probably just missing files |
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| 01:54.40 | DrPantsssss | forcing the install doesn't work, nor does purging, I also killed all processes I could |
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| 01:58.04 | blip2 | DrPantsssss: yup you've got one of those nasty broken installs |
| 01:58.09 | blip2 | yum |
| 01:58.18 | DrPantsssss | sadface |
| 01:58.43 | blip2 | google for the errors you are getting and try any sugestions |
| 01:58.48 | linux_probe | want to borrow a gallagher sledgehammer :-P |
| 01:58.57 | blip2 | you're not likely able to break it much further :] |
| 01:59.10 | DrPantsssss | heh |
| 01:59.48 | DrPantsssss | I'm just going to install it fresh on another server and copy the config crap across, seems the easiest option right now |
| 02:00.08 | blip2 | whee >_L |
| 02:00.32 | DrPantsssss | Are you ok? Seems your eye is an L |
| 02:00.46 | linux_probe | maybe he has a lazy eye? |
| 02:00.57 | DrPantsssss | Oh.. I'm sorry |
| 02:01.06 | DrPantsssss | I didn't mean to be insensitive |
| 02:01.13 | linux_probe | lololo |
| 02:01.23 | dyek | Anybody knows if I can do netinst from a USB Flash/Thumb drive? Or it is more a un-chartered ground? |
| 02:01.26 | blip2 | >:[ |
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| 02:01.42 | blip2 | dyek: yes if the hardware supports booting from USB |
| 02:05.07 | blip2 | I would suggest unetbootin :] |
| 02:05.51 | dyek | blip2: My hw definitely supports booting from USB, but the netinst documentation is talking about CD iso, and not about USB thumbdrive. USB thumbdrive installation appears to limit the drive to 256MB unless I follow the "flexible" methods of creating the thumbdrive image -- probably not very straightforward. |
| 02:06.01 | dyek | Where do I read more about unetbootin? |
| 02:06.36 | LV-426 | is mutt's lack of rss support intentional ? something similar to the 'no-columns' stance ? |
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| 02:08.09 | blip2 | dyek: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:08.18 | blip2 | will make it simple as ;) |
| 02:08.40 | dyek | blip2: Thanks! |
| 02:10.40 | karlpinc | dyek: Why not read the install manual? |
| 02:12.07 | rafaelsoaresbr | how to change the owner of /windows? when I do su, chown -R user:group /windows it says: operation not permited |
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| 02:13.06 | jrmy | does debian have the capability of a live cd? |
| 02:13.31 | LV-426 | rafaelsoaresbr, perhaps it is mounted as read-only ? |
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| 02:18.41 | dyek | karlpinc: You meant http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/? I quoted it earlier above. Yeah, I haven't finished reading through it, but I read quite a fair bit. Anyway, how many people read though all of the installation manual just to install a Linux distribution? But that said, I'm definitely still reading up as I encounter problems... Directed helps given here is so helpful in cutting the time spent figuring it out the harder way. |
| 02:18.42 | dyek | That is why I'm here... |
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| 02:20.55 | jrmy | what version of debian is best? |
| 02:21.04 | jrmy | ive never used debian before |
| 02:21.13 | jrmy | seems a little overwhelming |
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| 02:24.10 | jrmy | where do i get lenny 5.0.6? |
| 02:24.14 | jrmy | and is this one stable? |
| 02:24.22 | LV-426 | jrmy, depends on your needs - users eager to use the latest application features should go with unstable, on production servers stable is recommended |
| 02:25.09 | jrmy | well what is lenny good for? |
| 02:25.32 | jrmy | im used to ubuntu |
| 02:25.40 | jrmy | so idk about debian |
| 02:26.20 | jrmy | all of the versions are able to run on old pc's right? |
| 02:26.48 | Coded1 | I wanted to setup with a net install but apparently doesn't support wifi. Looking for unstable but on the site there are like 50 cd's? What's the best way to get a minimum install with wifi? |
| 02:28.01 | rafaelsoaresbr | LV-426: don't know, "/dev/hda3 /windows vfat utf8 0 2" |
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| 02:30.47 | Cisien | anyone else have a working snmpd on squeeze? I can't connect to the snmpd daemon even though it's running and listening on the usual ports. |
| 02:30.49 | LV-426 | jrmy, if you're installing to get a taste of things i'd go with unstable. lenny is targeted toward production servers. i don't think you should run into any hw issues even with relatively old hw |
| 02:31.17 | LV-426 | rafaelsoaresbr, what's the output from 'mount' ? |
| 02:32.55 | rafaelsoaresbr | LV-426: /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,utf8) |
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| 02:34.15 | jrmy | which of the torrent selections give me lenny 5.0.6? |
| 02:34.42 | jrmy | nvm all takin care of |
| 02:36.02 | jrmy | once again thanks |
| 02:36.28 | jrmy | err wrong tab |
| 02:39.15 | homie | is debian mkfs.vfat broken ? |
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| 02:54.35 | karlpinc | Coded1: In what way does it not support wifi? I'm curious. |
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| 02:55.19 | Coded1 | On the debian website it says the net install does not support installing via wifi |
| 02:57.14 | karlpinc | Coded1: Then the best way would be to burn only cd1 and do an absolute minimal install. Then get wifi working, remove the cdrom source from /etc/apt/sources.lst, and either run tasksel or just install the packages you want. (Note, if you want X you install xorg in addition to gnome/kde/lxde/etc.) |
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| 02:58.15 | karlpinc | Coded1: Where does it say this? |
| 02:59.57 | kingsley | What's a good IMAP4rev1 server? |
| 02:59.58 | Coded1 | Damn my bad I misread the page |
| 02:59.58 | karlpinc | Coded1: What I see is the install guide saying: "2.1.6.1. Wireless Network Cards The use of wireless networking during installation is still under development and whether it will work depends on the type of adaptor and the configuration of your wireless access point." If your nick does not work try the kmuto installers. (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 03:00.41 | karlpinc | Coded1: See also the part of the guide about drivers that need proprietary firmware. |
| 03:01.11 | karlpinc | kingsley: Sounds like a job for the debtags package. |
| 03:04.10 | Coded1 | Karlpinc; thanks, actually u might be able to help me out. I have the flux box install and it can't connect to my ap. I have an atheros 5002 nic and lspci -vv shows kernel is using ath5k. My ap is unsecured and it doesn't want to connect. I can usually make it happen with iwconfig but unsure how to use "ip" |
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| 03:04.29 | Angel-SL | hi |
| 03:04.52 | Angel-SL | how does one customise the terminal? (the terminal that shows up if you kill xserver) |
| 03:04.59 | Angel-SL | especially the resolution |
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| 03:07.56 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: I think you give the kernel arguments, or that's at least one way to do it. See /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz in the linux-doc package. |
| 03:08.14 | Angel-SL | um alright.. |
| 03:08.36 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: Running lenny? |
| 03:09.05 | karlpinc | Coded1: I dunno. Perhaps, but I've never gotten wifi working here and my brain is melting. |
| 03:10.17 | Coded1 | Same here ubuntu is really the only one that makes it work but I'm looking for something for an older system and just want the basics |
| 03:11.37 | Angel-SL | karlpinc: lenny on dist upgrade to unstable/testing |
| 03:11.45 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: Ah /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt.gz says Frame buffer resolutions are maintained using the utility `fbset'. |
| 03:11.57 | Angel-SL | alright |
| 03:12.07 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: ? You're either running one or the other. |
| 03:16.46 | Angel-SL | karlpinc: unstable. |
| 03:16.50 | Angel-SL | sid, i think |
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| 03:21.22 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: Seems to me that if you're running sid you shouldn't need to be asking these sorts of questions. Do you know about backports and volatile? They are for folks that want sns. |
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| 03:22.01 | karlpinc | Angel-SL: Of course you're free to do as you please. It's not for me to tell you how to run your system. |
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| 03:26.13 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade |
| 03:26.14 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 03:26.28 | simonrvn | !sid upgrade test |
| 03:26.28 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
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| 03:29.38 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 03:29.39 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:29.42 | Coded1 | From the live cd how do I see the network interfaces? The installer seems to be trying wlan0 but dmesg seems to show ath0 I don't have ifconfig available |
| 03:30.02 | karlpinc | Coded1: ifconfig is in /sbin/ |
| 03:30.30 | karlpinc | Coded1: And you can install new packages when booting live, they just won't be there on the next reboot. |
| 03:30.42 | ham5 | Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE |
| 03:31.17 | Coded1 | Not on the live cd... If I could install anything right now I'd be pretty happy |
| 03:31.59 | karlpinc | Coded1: You need network access. :-P (I forgot.) |
| 03:32.16 | Coded1 | Ya this kinda sucks |
| 03:32.50 | Coded1 | Anyone use "ip" before maybe give me a tip |
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| 03:36.55 | karlpinc | Coded1: Why not use /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 03:39.44 | Tramp | CodeNinja: ip link sh |
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| 03:40.15 | Tramp | ah nvm |
| 03:41.21 | rafaelsoaresbr | i've instaled grub at /dev/hda, how to install it to /dev/hda2? |
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| 03:45.45 | ham5 | use the grub shell |
| 03:45.50 | ham5 | man grub |
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| 03:46.14 | ham5 | or grub-install |
| 03:46.32 | rafaelsoaresbr | ham5: thanks |
| 03:46.41 | Angel-SL | dpkg: backports? |
| 03:46.41 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 03:50.44 | Rusty1 | 46 |
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| 03:51.33 | Cisien | has anyone had problems with snmpd not accepting connections in squeeze? |
| 03:54.26 | Cisien | tcpdump output and snmpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/FhaNktV8 |
| 03:56.16 | Cisien | added the output of ps and netstat: http://pastebin.com/zX9hD00c |
| 03:57.04 | Cisien | router:/var/www/mrtg# snmpwalk localhost -c public -v1 |
| 03:57.04 | Cisien | Timeout: No Response from localhost |
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| 04:05.38 | Angel-SL | karlpinc: thanks for your help, however it seems i'm in vga text mode rather than a linux framebuffer |
| 04:09.40 | Angel-SL | hm |
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| 04:16.11 | Tramp | Cisien: anything useful in daemon.log? |
| 04:16.53 | dyek | Is Debian Testing stable enough as a personal server cum workstation? I want to balance stability (have a need to be relatively productive) and features (I need usable Xen Dom0, PV, support). |
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| 04:45.52 | rking | dyek: Definitely. |
| 04:46.01 | k- | on some blog a guy replied that you could try using "$ sudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remoove <package>" |
| 04:46.12 | rking | dyek: Just roll up your sleeves from time to time when you do your apt-get upgrades |
| 04:46.22 | k- | /remoove/remove/ |
| 04:47.21 | k- | is outta here, tah'tah |
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| 05:05.52 | yao_ziyuan | anyone tell me why debian still sticks with kde 3.5? |
| 05:06.12 | ham5 | its... stable |
| 05:07.02 | yao_ziyuan | tried by time? |
| 05:08.59 | yao_ziyuan | so fedora is bloody cutting edge, ubuntu/opensuse is moderately up-to-date and debian is the real "user's os" |
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| 05:09.22 | dsockwell | yao_ziyuan: I have a mercedes that is older than I am, has never had major maintenance, and runs as well as the day it was made. |
| 05:09.24 | ham5 | you have a choice, bottom line |
| 05:10.27 | yao_ziyuan | i worked with debian when i was a high school student taking part in regional and national programming contests |
| 05:10.54 | dyek | rking: Thanks for the comment! |
| 05:11.03 | yao_ziyuan | they chose debian because of its stability, and didn't choose fedora because of its unstability |
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| 05:11.48 | yao_ziyuan | *instability |
| 05:12.04 | sweetpi | kde 4.4.5 is in testing |
| 05:12.13 | antivigilante | switching from transmission to ktorrent cause me to lose 11 Gigs |
| 05:12.18 | antivigilante | WTF |
| 05:12.29 | dsockwell | reliability tends to imply old software |
| 05:12.36 | yao_ziyuan | antivigilante: ktorrent is the real bittorrent client |
| 05:13.00 | antivigilante | why did I lose 11G? |
| 05:13.02 | dsockwell | yao_ziyuan: red hat has RHEL/CentOS which is stable |
| 05:13.23 | dsockwell | antivigilante: ktorrent is zero-filling your files so your disk doesn't fill up and ruin everything |
| 05:13.46 | dsockwell | transmission must do sparse writes |
| 05:14.05 | yao_ziyuan | antivigilante: it can resume an incomplete torrent download and check for file integrity dynamically. transmission (last time i checked) mandates a full integrity check every time you resume a previous incomplete download. |
| 05:14.26 | yao_ziyuan | dsockwell: and novell has suse linux? |
| 05:14.27 | antivigilante | so if I switch I shouldn't use full reservation of space? |
| 05:15.00 | dsockwell | antivigilante: you should, it prevents you from screwing up |
| 05:15.14 | antivigilante | yeah but I lost 11G because of it |
| 05:15.32 | dsockwell | it's not lost |
| 05:15.40 | dsockwell | i just told you where it is |
| 05:15.40 | antivigilante | how do I get it back? |
| 05:15.45 | yao_ziyuan | antivigilante: i don't think ktorrent will allocate full space for a download in the beginning |
| 05:15.58 | dsockwell | delete your incomplete torrent files |
| 05:16.03 | dsockwell | and downloaded files |
| 05:16.06 | yao_ziyuan | antivigilante: aria2 (which can also be used as a bittorrent client) does |
| 05:16.36 | antivigilante | hmm |
| 05:16.47 | dsockwell | antivigilante: you don't want it back, it lives in your downloads and gets filled up with ... downloads |
| 05:17.02 | yao_ziyuan | i use ktorrent all the time. it never starts a torrent with full file allocation. |
| 05:17.20 | yao_ziyuan | in the beginning a download's status is usually "Stalled" |
| 05:17.25 | yao_ziyuan | then "Downloading" |
| 05:17.30 | antivigilante | i originally set to that though |
| 05:17.50 | dsockwell | well if you really want your df to look good, unset it |
| 05:18.05 | dsockwell | but if you don't want to have a surprise visit from the write error fairy, keep it |
| 05:18.23 | antivigilante | why would I get that error? |
| 05:18.29 | antivigilante | just curious |
| 05:18.31 | yao_ziyuan | ktorrent has an option to reserve a minimum disk space |
| 05:18.41 | yao_ziyuan | say, 50MB |
| 05:18.43 | dsockwell | if you fill up your disk and then ktorrent wants to download more |
| 05:18.56 | antivigilante | I see |
| 05:19.03 | yao_ziyuan | so it won't continue any download if the disk's free space is <50MB |
| 05:19.13 | dsockwell | the way it's set now, the disk fills up in advance so you can plan your disk usage around your incomplete torrents |
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| 05:20.02 | yao_ziyuan | pre-allocating disk space for a large file seems to be rude |
| 05:20.11 | yao_ziyuan | it's a kind of intense disk activity |
| 05:20.46 | dsockwell | that it is |
| 05:20.53 | yao_ziyuan | a sudden thunderstorm |
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| 05:21.59 | antivigilante | I have torrents (college textbooks) that add up to Gigs will ktorrent thrash my hd for two hours before starting those? |
| 05:23.01 | yao_ziyuan | at least kubuntu and opensuse by default don't let ktorrent pre-allocate disk space |
| 05:23.18 | sweetpi | ext4 and xfs supports pre-allocation so no need to actually write zeros for the full file |
| 05:23.36 | dsockwell | antivigilante: less than a minute |
| 05:23.39 | dsockwell | usually |
| 05:23.44 | yao_ziyuan | aria2 is a client that i know pre-allocates disk space |
| 05:24.04 | dsockwell | antivigilante: and that's presuming you keep the preallocation |
| 05:24.47 | yao_ziyuan | so, debian is the most stable, but is it also the most secure? |
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| 05:24.53 | antivigilante | I think I know what happened |
| 05:25.18 | antivigilante | I use ext4 |
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| 05:25.27 | dsockwell | yao_ziyuan: it tends to be more secure than distros with newer software, although the BSD distros currently carry the torch |
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| 05:26.13 | antivigilante | so should I just go through all my current dls and move all my *.part files to |
| 05:26.16 | antivigilante | * |
| 05:26.21 | antivigilante | i mean rename |
| 05:26.32 | antivigilante | that's how I lost them |
| 05:26.37 | dsockwell | wat |
| 05:26.56 | dsockwell | oh, you left your transmission partials? |
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| 05:27.02 | antivigilante | yeah |
| 05:27.29 | antivigilante | so I should just rename those then |
| 05:27.31 | dsockwell | imo finish those up on transmission |
| 05:27.48 | dsockwell | ktorrent might not read them |
| 05:28.30 | yao_ziyuan | ktorrent can read incomplete downloads |
| 05:28.47 | dsockwell | from other clients? |
| 05:28.50 | yao_ziyuan | yes |
| 05:28.55 | dsockwell | news to me |
| 05:29.02 | yao_ziyuan | it has a menu command: Import |
| 05:29.09 | dsockwell | cool |
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| 05:29.42 | yao_ziyuan | kde software is generally a lot more beautiful and mature than gnome toys |
| 05:30.04 | yao_ziyuan | File|Important Torrent |
| 05:30.22 | yao_ziyuan | this is one way. |
| 05:30.36 | yao_ziyuan | another way is to let ktorrent begins with your torrent file, |
| 05:31.19 | yao_ziyuan | then stop the torrent, and replace ktorrent's torrent data with your transmission partial download |
| 05:31.44 | yao_ziyuan | then resume the torrent, or right click the torrent item and "Check File Integrity" |
| 05:32.06 | yao_ziyuan | then ktorrent will find out which pieces are not downloaded |
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| 05:36.33 | dyek | blip2: I'm running unetbootin from a Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook that I have; I think no unetbootin package will run on my other desktop box that has an very old Linux installation (a few years old) that I'm replacing. I tried unetbootin several times to create a Debian Stable and/or Testing AMD64 image on a USB Thumbdrive. All 3 trials froze at step #3 (Installing Bootloader) at 0% without any other hint of problems. Any guess on what might be not |
| 05:36.33 | dyek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.22 | yao_ziyuan | !flightgear |
| 05:39.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flightgear is a GPL'ed 3D flight simulator, available as debian packages in woody and sid now |
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| 05:49.23 | antivigilante | ktorrent doesn't look for .part files though |
| 05:49.28 | antivigilante | I don't think |
| 05:53.26 | dyek | UNetbootin doesn't seem to be working for any distribution that I chose. Its interface is straightforward, but too bad that it is not working without anyway to figure out what is wrong. Did anybody have better luck with UNetbootin? |
| 05:55.03 | antivigilante | at any rate it seems ktorrent can grab peers much faster |
| 05:55.47 | dyek | Could it be that the USB Thumbdrive's file system was mounted and it blocked? But if I umount the file system, UNetbootin's GUI stopped shoing the device path choice. |
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| 06:18.44 | coolguy4 | I have multiple x logical screens on multiple monitors. How can I switch from one monitor to the other. ctrl-alt-F7...F12 has stopped working. |
| 06:24.01 | dyek | Argh, the problem with UNetbootin freezing was caused by the Debian "simple" method of creating USB Thumb Drive installer, "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb", limiting the USB disk space to 256MB, which isn't enough for UNetbootin. Beside lacking insufficient disk space error message, UNetbootin is very straightforward. |
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| 06:32.32 | coolguy4 | I can't seem to kill this process |
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| 07:08.51 | project2501a | why one would not put a supercomputer behind a UPS? |
| 07:09.21 | project2501a | i would like 15m to 2h to be able to have the supercomputer work anyway |
| 07:09.34 | project2501a | (in case of powerfailure) |
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| 07:15.42 | antivigilante | is there a mass renamer for debian (gui preferred) which dives into subdirs |
| 07:16.04 | antivigilante | I want to do rename all *.part to * |
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| 07:20.36 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:20.54 | SparFux | hi |
| 07:21.12 | superlinux | I found the secret for the slow internet in firefox, I found a solution |
| 07:21.41 | superlinux | someone posted that the enabling of IPv6 by default does that |
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| 07:22.22 | superlinux | and debian do let it. no problem with letting it on when you get the distro, cos it's assumed you'll need it |
| 07:23.06 | superlinux | so add the following lines in /etc/sysctl.conf: |
| 07:23.09 | superlinux | net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
| 07:23.09 | superlinux | net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
| 07:23.44 | superlinux | and issue as the user "root" the command: sysctl -p |
| 07:24.42 | superlinux | see the difference in the way firefox interpret the HTML of your pages |
| 07:25.01 | superlinux | as fast as google's chrome |
| 07:27.32 | SparFux | oh really. |
| 07:28.20 | SparFux | Look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, I think net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=0 is enough. |
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| 07:28.45 | SparFux | * =1 |
| 07:28.56 | jrmy | whats the lowest amount of ram lenny 5.0.6 can run on? |
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| 07:30.05 | sweetpi | supposedly 48MB |
| 07:30.49 | sweetpi | recommended minimum is 64 though |
| 07:31.41 | courpse | Makes my comp sound really good when the minimum is so low, :D |
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| 07:32.24 | SparFux | superlinux: even though I got net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=0 I have a really fast firefox. perhaps later version? |
| 07:32.49 | SparFux | I use Iceweasel/3.5.13 |
| 07:35.09 | jrmy | same |
| 07:35.19 | jrmy | how do i get flash player on debian? |
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| 07:36.12 | sweetpi | !flash |
| 07:36.13 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 07:36.39 | izua | hey. at the risk of sounding profane, i need to triple boot debian/xp/7. all three operating systems are installed, currently grub selects between debian and 7, and the 7 bootloader selects between xp and 7. i wish to make them all accessible through grub |
| 07:37.29 | jrmy | how about the name after apt-get install? |
| 07:37.37 | jrmy | or shall i read the link? |
| 07:37.44 | cahoot | good idea |
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| 07:38.14 | jrmy | gnash then |
| 07:38.15 | jrmy | ok |
| 07:40.26 | jrmy | !update |
| 07:40.26 | dpkg | [update] aptitude update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
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| 07:54.36 | jrmy | which of the flash players work for a substitue of flash player 10? |
| 07:54.51 | jrmy | i want to watch youtube |
| 07:56.50 | sweetpi | gnash should work |
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| 07:57.33 | sweetpi | if not, then youll likely have to use the non-free player |
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| 08:02.56 | Ring0` | Hey. wget freezes machine when downloading with 10Mbps rate where machine can handle up to 91Mb. wtf? |
| 08:03.02 | Ring0` | It's 100Mbit symetrical connection (@ ovh by the way). But when someone ddosed my machine, he used max 91Mb. At the moment traffic is 3Mb down and 6Mb up. So still ~80Mb should be left. |
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| 08:03.28 | Ring0` | my ssh connection freezes and people which are on voice server are getting timeouted |
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| 08:11.08 | Bushmills | Ring0`, run mtr to your server, look whether there's conjestion in a router close to your server |
| 08:11.15 | Bushmills | congestion ... |
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| 08:13.57 | Ring0` | Bushmills: mtr, right. I will. |
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| 08:24.07 | Ring0` | Bushmills: Well. The wget download bar freezes but MTR only shows dramatic ping raise (from 40 to 180), however 0% packet loss |
| 08:24.11 | Ring0` | What does it mean? |
| 08:24.47 | Ring0` | Of course I mean download bar in ssh window (as well as it doesn't react immidiatelly on ctrl+c, it takes him some time to do it) |
| 08:26.56 | Bushmills | maybe you're saturating your local line with the test |
| 08:27.42 | Ring0` | But on voice server people are also dropped from whole europe |
| 08:27.54 | Bushmills | especially outbound is critical when you're on an asymmetric line, when maxed out, new requests will have problems to get out |
| 08:28.36 | Ring0` | Can I do some connection test w/o X ? |
| 08:28.46 | Ring0` | like on websites speedtest.com/net/org etc |
| 08:28.46 | Bushmills | alternatively, your 100 mbit are only physical connection, but your link is throttled. |
| 08:29.24 | Ring0` | I'm almost sure if I create support ticket they force me to wait year with answer and finally reply that everything is fine -.- |
| 08:29.31 | Bushmills | maybe a virtual server, and your co-guests are generating lots of traffic as well |
| 08:29.54 | Ring0` | I have traffic charts here which are updated every 5 minutes I think |
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| 08:30.39 | Ring0` | and for now average is 1259.4 kb/s (incoming) and 3250.3 kb/s outgoing |
| 08:30.52 | Ring0` | so it's far from this dozens of Mbs |
| 08:31.19 | Ring0` | Weird is that |
| 08:31.46 | Ring0` | Yesterday evening people on server generated 4 inc and 7 outgoing (11 in total) and wget downloaded with max 1MB/s(10Mb) |
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| 08:32.16 | Ring0` | And now they are gen. 1,2 + 3,2 (4,4 in total) and wget STILL downloads with this 1Mb (and freezes server) |
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| 08:33.08 | jrmy | yep not liking debian |
| 08:33.21 | Ring0` | It's so confusing |
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| 08:49.29 | thewanderer1 | hi. I've exported my cdrom mountpoint over NFS but on the client I see the uid/gid as 4294967295, which is the maximum value supported by the protocol. what might I be doing wrong? |
| 08:50.52 | thewanderer1 | other exported directories work just fine |
| 08:52.33 | thewanderer1 | oh, it's the same on the server too... now that is strange |
| 08:53.08 | thewanderer1 | mount options (ro,uid=1000,gid=100) on the server, but stat returns strange numbers instead of 1000/100 |
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| 08:55.22 | Vutral | mhm |
| 08:55.31 | Vutral | i found strange behaviour in aiccu |
| 08:55.38 | Vutral | it seems it is not able to handle reconnections |
| 08:55.46 | Vutral | but with the version i compiled |
| 08:55.50 | Vutral | it worked... |
| 08:56.12 | Vutral | it seems it doesnt even exit when the tunnel goes down |
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| 09:08.23 | thewanderer1 | note to self: umount -l and then mounting again before the file handles are released might lead to strange results like setting uid to a nonexistent value |
| 09:09.49 | thewanderer1 | now, how to play a Video CD when I only have its directory and not block device?? |
| 09:10.42 | thewanderer1 | or do I need the whole iso for that... |
| 09:10.58 | ledestin | mplayer has -dvd-device, maybe it has something for videoCD |
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| 09:15.01 | JPT | Is it "okay" that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not produce any output or a new xorg.conf in debian testing 64bit= |
| 09:15.14 | Bushmills | mplayer vcd://track |
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| 09:17.07 | Bushmills | -cdrom-device should do |
| 09:18.55 | dutchfish | JPT: yes |
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| 09:19.31 | JPT | uhm...okay... i just had to delete my old xorg.conf in order to get a working x again... where can i "get" a new one? :D |
| 09:19.38 | dutchfish | JPT: to be more precise, in many cases there is no need any longer for an xorg.conf |
| 09:20.11 | JPT | aah..that's why it works without an xorg.conf now |
| 09:20.48 | JPT | okay. i'm trying to install and set up the fglrx-driver. the packages are already installed, now do i need to tell xorg to use them somehow? |
| 09:20.56 | dutchfish | JPT: inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log if any errors and check if 3d works, if so, done. |
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| 09:21.26 | dutchfish | JPT: this all depends on your hardware of couse |
| 09:21.43 | dutchfish | JPT: what card you have? |
| 09:21.53 | JPT | ati radeon hd 5770 |
| 09:21.54 | Bushmills | JPT, there are interactive X configuration frontends, called "editors" |
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| 09:22.42 | JPT | hmm... |
| 09:22.53 | dutchfish | JPT: you can go by opensource drivers for 2D, for 5770 (thats evergreen if i am not mistaken) you need a newer kernel and mesa from expirimental. |
| 09:23.24 | JPT | hmm.. i already have a "newer" kernel.. it's 2.6.34.7 right now. |
| 09:23.30 | dutchfish | JPT: or go fglrx and construct xorg.conf manually |
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| 09:23.48 | Veyka | JPT, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 09:24.18 | dutchfish | JPT: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 09:24.58 | JPT | meh... why did i buy an ati card :/ |
| 09:25.14 | dutchfish | JPT: man radeon for overview wich cards are curently supported |
| 09:25.18 | Veyka | You enjoy linux binary driver pain? ;) |
| 09:25.42 | JPT | i enjoy it. just like i had to with my last ati card. (that was years ago) |
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| 09:26.12 | JPT | okay. first, i'll try to get fglrx to work. then i'll see if my wine 3d stuff works as expected or not |
| 09:26.28 | dutchfish | well, open source radeon is work in progress, but about 80% of my cards now work out of the box with open source drivers :) |
| 09:26.36 | JPT | :) |
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| 09:27.17 | Veyka | run aticonfig --initial I think? |
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| 09:28.29 | thewanderer1 | I have nbd module loaded but nbd client won't work - why? |
| 09:28.30 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 09:28.34 | JPT | okay.. let's see if that works |
| 09:28.43 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to change the default umask for a specific user? |
| 09:28.45 | Veyka | and you have the following packages installed: fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-glx-ia32 fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-source |
| 09:28.54 | thewanderer1 | Starting NBD client process: Connecting...grep: /sys/block/sr0/queue/scheduler: No such file or directory |
| 09:29.20 | thewanderer1 | do I really have to name nbd devices like /dev/nbd* ? |
| 09:30.01 | thewanderer1 | the manpage is misleading, nowhere does it state that I need to use a name like nbd[0-9]+ |
| 09:33.34 | man_in_ltop | "You are using a version of $CGI that is know to have issues with Foswiki."? |
| 09:34.33 | thewanderer1 | man_in_ltop: the default umask can be changed either via PAM (for PAM-aware apps like login and ssh) or with bash profile / shell profile. I don't know about Foswiki... |
| 09:34.39 | bolt | I'm trying to install postfix on squeeze, but when I do "apt-get install postfix", it wants to uninstall exim4-daemon-light and install exim4-daemon-heavy. If I do it again, it switches them around again. How do I get postfix?! |
| 09:34.40 | JPT | i'll check |
| 09:34.59 | thewanderer1 | bolt: get rid of exim4 then install postfix |
| 09:35.03 | JPT | fglrx-source is missing :/ |
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| 09:35.27 | thewanderer1 | also, try aptitude instead of apt-get - it sometimes resolves deps better |
| 09:35.56 | JPT | i'll ask it to reinstall all packages |
| 09:36.08 | bolt | thewanderer1: ah. removing exim first did it :) |
| 09:36.15 | bolt | thewanderer1: weird behaviour |
| 09:36.19 | bolt | thewanderer1: thanks :D |
| 09:36.33 | man_in_ltop | thewanderer1, yeah, i posted that foswiki thing in the wrong channel |
| 09:36.36 | thewanderer1 | somehow suspects apt-get |
| 09:36.43 | dutchfish | bolt: this 'feature', is around as long as i can remember at least since sarge |
| 09:36.48 | JPT | it's building the module again *happy* |
| 09:36.59 | man_in_ltop | thewanderer1, how would i change it with pam? |
| 09:36.59 | Veyka | JPT, well, if they install correctly and dkms builds and loads it |
| 09:37.09 | Veyka | JPT, its just a matter of fixing up the xorg.conf |
| 09:37.25 | JPT | hmm... :> |
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| 09:37.58 | Veyka | it *may* work if you just remove the xorg.confg and restart x |
| 09:38.25 | Veyka | if it doesnt, try using the minimal conf from here http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
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| 09:39.00 | kantor | hi |
| 09:39.00 | JPT | okay, then i'll try the easy part |
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| 09:41.14 | thewanderer1 | man_in_ltop: pam_umask should do that for you - I don't know the exact config syntax to be put in /etc/pam.d/ - grep the Interwebs for that |
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| 09:42.36 | Veyka | Oh, while im here, anyone know if theres any advantage to building the kernel with gcc 4.5 over gcc 4.4.5? |
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| 09:42.58 | JPT | okay, it built the module, the module kind of works, but still moving a window causes a lot of glitches... i doubt that this module will support 3d :/ |
| 09:43.55 | Veyka | Whats the output of glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" |
| 09:44.11 | JPT | erm.. glxinfo just outputs two lines... |
| 09:44.14 | kantor | I've written a little program that first of all was created to ease my life. I thought that maybe others could benefit of this program also, so I should share it. My question is where should I put it, so others have access to it ? Ok. I know the big free software/open source hosting web pages (sourceforge, gnu, fsf, gna . . . ) but I don't want to create a new project for this little program because it is not a big thing . . . I just want to put it somewhere |
| 09:44.14 | kantor | quickly where other free software users can find it. |
| 09:44.23 | bolt | where's the configuration that keeps adding "root: bolt" to /etc/aliases? i don't want it to do that |
| 09:44.26 | JPT | name of display: :0.0 and Speicherzugriffsfehler |
| 09:44.36 | Veyka | What |
| 09:44.38 | JPT | so it kind of crashes :/ |
| 09:44.50 | Veyka | Can you pastebin the whole output of glxinfo |
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| 09:45.33 | JPT | http://nopaste.info/c12adcb26f.html |
| 09:45.38 | JPT | :/ |
| 09:45.54 | Veyka | mmmm |
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| 09:46.15 | JPT | I start to think about going to a 32bit debian testing... |
| 09:46.31 | Veyka | wont be any easier |
| 09:46.41 | Veyka | does lsmod show the fglrx mod loaded? |
| 09:46.58 | JPT | yes, fglrx is loaded |
| 09:47.19 | thewanderer1 | now why doesn't VLC want to play a nbd DVD? |
| 09:47.33 | Veyka | Do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 09:47.42 | JPT | no |
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| 09:48.00 | Veyka | make one using the minimal conf here: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 09:48.01 | Veyka | :P |
| 09:48.05 | Veyka | reload x |
| 09:48.10 | Veyka | and cross your fingers |
| 09:48.24 | JPT | hehe... i'm crossing my fingers since i installed the system yesterday :D |
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| 09:49.24 | Veyka | Well, at least with dkms you shouldnt have to go though this pain everytime you change the kernel |
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| 09:51.53 | Veyka | I also love the german word for seg fault O-o |
| 09:52.30 | thewanderer1 | I can mount a video CD over NBD but VLC won't play that - any other player I might try? |
| 09:52.43 | thewanderer1 | I just need to play a video disc but don't have a local drive |
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| 09:53.26 | JPT | ah, now it works... glxinfo says direct rendering is on |
| 09:53.39 | JPT | and i get about 17 fps in the wine application :D |
| 09:54.09 | Veyka | What wine apps that? =p |
| 09:54.49 | JPT | Guild Wars |
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| 09:55.01 | JPT | on very low details and stuff |
| 09:55.23 | JPT | let's see how that tuxracer game can do |
| 09:55.27 | Veyka | You should get better than 17fps in gw with that card O-o |
| 09:55.51 | JPT | yep... but the performance might get lost somewhere |
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| 09:56.19 | Veyka | Im sitting on 81fps right this second with a GTX260 |
| 09:56.29 | Veyka | 60-80 |
| 09:56.37 | JPT | okay, tuxracer can do 180+ |
| 09:56.42 | dutchfish | JPT: could you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 09:57.01 | JPT | yes, one second |
| 09:57.03 | Veyka | and wineserver --version |
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| 09:57.40 | rethus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.33 | JPT | wine-1.1.42 |
| 09:59.01 | JPT | god, that log file is big :/ |
| 09:59.09 | JPT | is there an easy way to nopaste it |
| 09:59.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | JPT: 'pastebinit' |
| 09:59.33 | Veyka | You might want to install the dx3d9 dlls via winetricks with that version, or install playonlinux and pull in 1.3.4 or compile your own ;) |
| 09:59.50 | JPT | aah..that directx stuff |
| 09:59.55 | JPT | yup, that's all missing |
| 10:00.01 | JPT | but compiling my own version failed |
| 10:00.13 | JPT | i was missing tons of libs.. i might try again later |
| 10:00.27 | Veyka | I would use playonlinux myself |
| 10:00.47 | Veyka | easy wineprefix management, etc |
| 10:00.56 | JPT | http://pastebin.com/2r4n2Ecr |
| 10:01.03 | Veyka | Also, the debian 3rd part wine repo aint been updated in a long time |
| 10:01.05 | dutchfish | thanks |
| 10:01.17 | JPT | :) |
| 10:01.32 | JPT | playonlinux... first i'll get winetricks |
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| 10:01.56 | Veyka | It should work ok under that version |
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| 10:02.43 | JPT | okay.. i'll get the directx dlls |
| 10:03.30 | man_in_ltop | eeew, playonlinux |
| 10:03.30 | Veyka | Looks like it loaded ok, then detected a ton of modelines |
| 10:03.39 | Veyka | Its great! |
| 10:03.40 | Veyka | :O |
| 10:03.43 | JPT | :D |
| 10:03.56 | yow | hi there, I wonder if anyone has had problem of starting GNOME (or GDM?) after upgrading to Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-21)? |
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| 10:04.56 | yow | I can boot into CLI but not GNOME, my HP nx5000 laptop just hanged after I `startx`. |
| 10:04.57 | ledestin | yow: your video card driver is borken |
| 10:05.10 | ledestin | yow: tell me if I win |
| 10:05.10 | JPT | okay... is there a special tool related to the fglrx-driver that allows me to setup my dualhead? :) |
| 10:06.11 | yow | ledestin, how can it be? im now logging into gnome under kernel 2.6.32-3-686 (Debian 2.6.3.32-9) |
| 10:06.18 | dutchfish | JPT: what does xrandr tells you? |
| 10:06.39 | ledestin | yow: that's the most common cause |
| 10:06.56 | ledestin | yow: besides, there are separate modules for -3 and -5 |
| 10:07.06 | ledestin | look in /lib/modules |
| 10:07.14 | JPT | it knows that two screens are connected |
| 10:07.21 | yow | ledestin, i `dist-upgrade` to 2.6.3-32-23 2 days ago but gnome still failed :( |
| 10:07.35 | JPT | http://nopaste.info/e5a26cdca8.html |
| 10:08.01 | ledestin | yow: actually, looking at xorg log would be a good start |
| 10:08.15 | ledestin | yow: or you could just compile kernel module for your nvidia |
| 10:08.19 | yow | ledestin, how do i know if the new(?) video card driver in 2.6.5-21 (& -23) are broken? |
| 10:08.36 | Veyka | Looks like intel grathics to me |
| 10:08.52 | ledestin | yow: if you use proprietary driver, it's simply not there if you install a new kernel |
| 10:09.20 | Veyka | I think theres been a whole lot of problems with older intel chips sets and KMS/UMS/etc |
| 10:09.29 | yow | ledestin, sorry but im afraid mine is not nvidia but Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 10:09.41 | thewanderer1 | has lots of problems on Intel 845 or whatever it's called |
| 10:09.56 | ledestin | yow: um, ok. I know nothing about those. They should have open-source driver, I think |
| 10:10.23 | ledestin | yow: then, xorg log |
| 10:10.27 | yow | ledestin, frankly, this is the 1st time i have such problem, i still don't know what causes it. |
| 10:10.57 | dutchfish | JPT: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 and you need the param leftof or rightof if you want split desktops, use the naming convention for the devicenames as you just posted in the pastebin, dont forget to setup a virtualscreen of correct size in xorg.conf. thats basically it. |
| 10:11.11 | yow | ledestin, do u think it could be caused by "UnloadModule: "evdev"" (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 10:11.26 | JPT | okay, i'll do that. thanks :) |
| 10:11.38 | Veyka | yow, can you pastebin the whole log? |
| 10:11.39 | dutchfish | yw |
| 10:11.41 | thewanderer1 | yow: evdev doesn't seem related to graphics display - it handles input, rather |
| 10:12.02 | ledestin | yow: not likely |
| 10:12.24 | yow | ledestin, Veyka, sure, give me a min, pls... |
| 10:13.35 | Veyka | okies |
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| 10:17.24 | yow | ledestin, Veyka & thewanderer1: here you are: http://pastebin.com/TtdnhwJN |
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| 10:17.48 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:18.34 | thewanderer1 | 855GM, oh. |
| 10:19.01 | yow | ledestin, Veyka & thewanderer1: sorry for the waiting. however, im not sure if the "error" msgs are there as im now under kernel 2.6.3.32-9 and hence i can and am now inside gnome! perhaps u guys need to look at the beginning (old part) of the log? |
| 10:19.34 | thewanderer1 | what hardware platform is this? |
| 10:19.50 | thewanderer1 | a pre-built PC like the old HP Vectra in a box or sth like that? |
| 10:20.37 | yow | thewanderer1, my laptop is rather old, however, i've never encounter such problem, i still think it's something wrong with the latest kernel, i.e. 2.6.3-32.23 (and 2.6.3.32-21) |
| 10:20.52 | thewanderer1 | it could be - have you tried booting without KMS? |
| 10:20.55 | yow | thewanderer1, HP NX5000 (2004) |
| 10:21.20 | Veyka | Well that log looks like its for -5 |
| 10:21.21 | Veyka | O-o |
| 10:21.23 | djura-san | i hav eproblem with my alsa packages. It seems that i cant get audio output trough my speakers. My sound card is in alsamixer but im not sure what to do. I Use squezze (fresh install since yestrerday) |
| 10:21.43 | JPT | okay, dualhead works :) |
| 10:22.12 | thewanderer1 | yow: so what are the symptoms of breakage? what exactly is not working? |
| 10:22.13 | cahoot | djura-san: first try alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:22.24 | yow | Veyka, I could not start gnome under -5 hence im using -3, i think the log must contains both?! |
| 10:22.32 | djura-san | cahoot: okay. I tried dpkg-reconfigure a minute ago |
| 10:22.36 | djura-san | just a sec |
| 10:23.00 | yow | thewanderer1, i can boot into CLI but not gnome. my laptop would just hang indefinitely with blank/black screen |
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| 10:23.14 | thewanderer1 | yow: how does it work with KMS disabled? |
| 10:23.25 | djura-san | cahoot: err, no alsa-utils package :\ |
| 10:23.32 | cahoot | install it |
| 10:23.36 | yow | thewanderer1, i still need to figure out what KMS is... |
| 10:23.52 | thewanderer1 | !kms |
| 10:23.52 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 10:24.07 | yow | thewanderer1, thx |
| 10:24.16 | yow | thewanderer1, let me read... |
| 10:24.24 | djura-san | cahoot: i have that package but i cant do alsa-utils reset 0 since there is no "alsa-utils" in my $PATH :\ |
| 10:24.31 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea if it's enabled in the older Intels but I think I've seen it mess a few things up on my PC |
| 10:24.32 | cahoot | as root |
| 10:25.23 | djura-san | cahoot: i tried as root |
| 10:25.57 | cahoot | djura-san: sorry /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:26.23 | dutchfish | yow: this is a known problem with 2.6.32-5, This is unlikely to work for everybody - the 855 chips suffer from a timing-sensitive memory mapping bug. There's a kernel fix working its way through the various kernel processes, however i havent seen it yet. |
| 10:27.15 | djura-san | cahoot: i love you man :D . It worked |
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| 10:27.34 | djura-san | now i will document this somewhere just in case., Thank you again cahoot |
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| 10:27.44 | cahoot | yw |
| 10:28.47 | yow | dutchfish, thank you very much for the info! so, should i stick to 2.6.32-3-686 (Debian 2.6.32-9) while waiting for it to be fixed, i.e. wait for the new kernel release? |
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| 10:29.18 | dutchfish | yow: i have seen reports that the issues has gone on 2.6.35.7 |
| 10:29.46 | dutchfish | yow: but prolly it will be in the next point release of the 2.6.32.x |
| 10:30.49 | yow | dutchfish, ic, 2.6.35.7 seems long way from the current 2.6.32-23 though, is it? |
| 10:30.53 | coolguy4 | I'm running debian lenny. I want to set-up multiple monitors using 2 heads on my motherboard and an extra pcie card, so two gpus. I don't care about having a giant screen, three logical screens is fine. I'm using openbox. Currently, X loads (one instance in ps -A) and three instances of openbox load from .xinitrc ... But what happens is my mouse is trapped within the 3rd monitor. Ctrl-Alt-Fn keys for some reason don't work... not even Ctrl |
| 10:30.53 | coolguy4 | -Alt-F1..F6.... How can I switch between logical screens --- or why would the Ctrl-Alt-Fn keys stop working? |
| 10:31.28 | thewanderer1 | huh. |
| 10:31.48 | yow | dutchfish, what u reckon i should do? booting old kernel (2.6.3.32-9) or download & compile 2.6.35-7 (or newer?)? |
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| 10:31.56 | thewanderer1 | two GPUs you say... it would seem that you're firing up multiple X.org |
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| 10:32.19 | SDE | Hi |
| 10:32.22 | SDE | just need some advice |
| 10:32.27 | SDE | we have a couple of debian boxes. |
| 10:32.42 | SDE | Not sure if we should go for an email marketing company or do it ourselvs... any input? |
| 10:32.46 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: There's only one instance of x.org, should there be more? I configured xorg.conf (or tried to) to have 3 logical screens). |
| 10:32.52 | dutchfish | yow: if you know how to build, try both ways and see what fits best for you |
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| 10:33.47 | coolguy4 | SDE: Depends on the sorts of emails you want to send... probably go with the company in most cases. |
| 10:33.54 | dutchfish | yow: i myself have 2.6.35.7 because there are other issues as well for my hardware with the 2.6.32 branch |
| 10:34.05 | SDE | can anyone recommend a company? |
| 10:34.09 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: the only way I've ever done it is through X.org autoconfig (without xorg.conf at all) and xrandr multi-display setup |
| 10:34.14 | yow | dutchfish, i can still (and im now) start gnome using 2.6.32-9. i think i'd prefer to stick to it for the time being until i have time to mess with 2.6.35.x |
| 10:34.27 | dutchfish | yow: ok |
| 10:34.54 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: you mean `X -configure` ? |
| 10:35.13 | yow | dutchfish, i see, but, i've never compile any custom kernel for my computers, i know it's not an easy nor simple task, it must involve may steps. |
| 10:35.52 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: and what exactly does xrandr do? |
| 10:35.55 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 10:35.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 10:36.27 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: no, X.org should configure itself on the fly without xorg.conf present. and xrandr can manage runtime settings like multi-display (this is left of that and right of that) - tested only on my laptop which *seems* to have 1 GPU |
| 10:36.48 | yow | dutchfish, just 1 quick question: if im going to build my own kernel, how can i avoid future `apt-get dist-upgrade` command overrides it? |
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| 10:37.25 | dutchfish | yow: you dont need to, a custum kernel wont be overridden, you can have more then 1 kernel installed, np |
| 10:37.53 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: Ah, I see. So you delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... but I don't quite understand what xrandr does? |
| 10:38.21 | dutchfish | yow: but if you do, do it the debian way |
| 10:38.21 | yow | dutchfish, ic, mind if i ask 1 more related(?) question? |
| 10:38.31 | yow | dutchfish, what |
| 10:38.32 | dutchfish | shoot |
| 10:38.38 | yow | dutchfish, what's the debian way? |
| 10:39.05 | dutchfish | yow: as kp-mantra told you, you need of couse the kernel source and buildessential |
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| 10:39.54 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: my example use case was: xrandr --output LVDS1 --left-of VGA1 - and I have 2 displays on 1 logical screen, where LVDS1 is left of the external monitor |
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| 10:40.08 | yow | dutchfish, i have both, in fact, my next question is somewhat related to that |
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| 10:40.18 | dutchfish | yow: the most imortant thing is to build it as a package, so you can easely install and purge it with dpkg |
| 10:40.54 | coolguy4 | thewandererer1: ok. I guess I should research. At the moment, I'm stuck in one screen, I type xrandr and it only gives me the stats for the screen that I'm in. |
| 10:40.55 | yow | dutchfish, so, build it as a .deb package is the "debian way" u meant just now? |
| 10:41.01 | dutchfish | yep |
| 10:41.06 | yow | dutchfish, thx. |
| 10:41.20 | dutchfish | yw |
| 10:41.23 | yow | dutchfish, my next question is that i've been having problem with virtualbox, however, i manage to solve it just now but, there's a msg which i do not understand. |
| 10:41.38 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: I have no idea how it would work with multiple GPU's so you'll have to find that out :) |
| 10:42.03 | yow | dutchfish, the msg was: "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." |
| 10:42.10 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: ok, well thanks for your help |
| 10:43.04 | dutchfish | yow: if you want to use your own build kernelmodules for some purpose you need the header package installed along, then read about m-i how to build that module |
| 10:43.06 | yow | dutchfish, do u know why the msg was shown as i have both linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 & linux-source-2.6.32-3 installed?! |
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| 10:43.33 | dutchfish | yow: install the headers for that kernel |
| 10:43.42 | mae_tae | people, i had this scenario globe modem ---------> switch -----------> (WAN IP (120.xxx.xxx.xx) Squid Server LOCAL ip (192.168.4.41)) -----------> PC (192.168.4.42), how will i make that 4.42 can access internet? |
| 10:43.46 | mae_tae | route on squid server is only WAN network & 4.0 Network, no default gateway, is this the reason why it cannot access internet from 4.42 host |
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| 10:44.39 | yow | dutchfish, pls refer to: http://pastebin.com/1eAvUScK |
| 10:45.04 | dutchfish | yow: i dont know much about virtualbox, but other might help on that |
| 10:45.54 | dutchfish | yow: and you are at 2.6.32-5 ? |
| 10:45.57 | yow | dutchfish, in fact im rather puzzled by the fact that the version of linux-source-2.6.32-3 is 2.6.3-32-23 but why the version of linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686 is 2.6.3-32-9? |
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| 10:46.12 | dutchfish | yow: uname -a |
| 10:46.46 | yow | dutchfish, i can't start gnome under 2.6.32-5 hence, im using 2.6.32-3 now |
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| 10:47.15 | yow | dutchfish, Linux nx5k-debian 2.6.32-3-686 #1 SMP Thu Feb 25 06:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:47.27 | dutchfish | yow: ok, then you prolly (not sure) need to update not only the kernel but the kernel-headers as well in one go |
| 10:48.04 | yow | dutchfish, im thinking if there's a bug in squeeze or virtualbox doesn't know 2.6.3-32-9 refer to linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686? |
| 10:48.25 | dutchfish | yow: no, those *must* match |
| 10:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, the number that lsusb gives me is also one judds pciid command can use, right? |
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| 10:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 13d3:3306 |
| 10:48.44 | judd | [13d3:3306] is 'Unknown device' from 'IMC Networks' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=13d3:3306 |
| 10:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | IMC Networks sounds right |
| 10:49.18 | dutchfish | yow: maybe you can ask in #virtualbox about how to solv that, this might be a transient issue. |
| 10:49.23 | yow | dutchfish, as u can see from http://pastebin.com/1eAvUScK, i think i have both updated via `apt-get dist-upgrade` |
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| 10:50.13 | yow | dutchfish, ok, i may but it's not so urgent anymore as i have "fixed" it and can start virtualbox now. |
| 10:50.37 | dutchfish | ok |
| 10:51.26 | yow | dutchfish, if u think the linux headers and source versions must match, so, do u think `apt-get dist-upgrade` is (was?) broken? |
| 10:52.24 | dutchfish | yow: i have no clue, at my site i had none of those problems dist-upgrading and pulling the new kernel, however i needed to rebuild the modules for that new kernel with m-i |
| 10:53.55 | yow | dutchfish, i do think they should match. however, `apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686` show differently (http://pastebin.com/YieS2R4T) |
| 10:54.02 | dutchfish | yow: furthermore i use 2.6.35.7 custom kernel alot, because it fixes many of my problems on newer hardware. |
| 10:54.21 | yow | dutchfish, ic |
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| 10:55.30 | yow | dutchfish, do u think the version (2.6.32-9) shown at http://pastebin.com/YieS2R4T is correct? |
| 10:55.48 | dutchfish | yow: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-latest-2.6.html |
| 10:56.41 | dutchfish | yow: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 10:57.10 | yow | dutchfish, the output of `apt-cache show linux-source-2.6.32` is at http://pastebin.com/yNQhu95q |
| 10:57.20 | dutchfish | yow: do you have backports in your repo settings? |
| 10:57.22 | yow | dutchfish, let me check your 2 links |
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| 10:59.01 | yow | dutchfish, no backport (i thought of doing it before actually for code::blocks and probably another 1 or 2 packages) |
| 10:59.30 | yow | dutchfish, i do have the skype & debian-multimedia.org repos, do they matter? |
| 10:59.54 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 11:00.21 | yow | dutchfish, btw, im using squeeze NOT lenny |
| 11:00.30 | dutchfish | yes, i got that |
| 11:01.23 | yow | dutchfish, perhaps that why im not on 2.6.28 but 2.6.32 |
| 11:01.24 | dutchfish | yow: the latest headers are at 2.6.32+28 for linux-header-i686 in squeeze |
| 11:02.24 | dutchfish | yow: yes, squeeze is at 2.6.32-23 for its kernel |
| 11:03.09 | yow | dutchfish, im a little confused with this "+28" thingy |
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| 11:03.31 | dutchfish | judd kernel |
| 11:03.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 11:04.15 | dutchfish | yow: the headers are at 32+28 |
| 11:04.29 | JPT | i need a nice way to get the 32bit version of libmpg123-dev on my 64bit system. |
| 11:05.18 | JPT | nvm, just got a very nice and easy advice :) |
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| 11:05.42 | yow | dutchfish, "2.6 28" is a new denotation for me... |
| 11:06.02 | yow | dutchfish, does 32+28 == 23-28? |
| 11:06.12 | dutchfish | yow: i admit it can sometimes be a bit confusing |
| 11:06.31 | dutchfish | yow: yes |
| 11:06.38 | yow | dutchfish, ok |
| 11:07.06 | dutchfish | yow: its the way debian versioning works |
| 11:07.55 | dutchfish | yow: rem, above the kernel .version debian has patches added to it also reflecting the .version-[debian_version] |
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| 11:08.54 | yow | dutchfish, confusing.... :( i'll try to figure it out later... |
| 11:09.06 | dutchfish | good good |
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| 11:10.55 | yow | dutchfish, ic. is there something wrong with linux source version 2.6.3-32-23 couples with linux headers version 2.6.3-32-9 as shown in http://pastebin.com/yNQhu95q & http://pastebin.com/YieS2R4T ? |
| 11:12.03 | dutchfish | yow: the source is curently at 2.6.32-23 |
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| 11:12.58 | dutchfish | yow: aptitude show linux-source-2.6.32 should reveal that under version |
| 11:13.31 | dutchfish | judd aptitude show linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 11:13.38 | dutchfish | judd linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 11:14.01 | yow | dutchfish, i think i understand something now... should i apt-get install linux-source-2.36.32-9 too since im now using/booting the older 2.6.32-9 kernel? |
| 11:14.43 | dutchfish | yow: now, unless you need to rebuild modules or the kernel |
| 11:14.54 | dutchfish | yow: you dont need it |
| 11:15.21 | yow | dutchfish, so, i may need it if i need to "build" the module for virtualbox? |
| 11:15.48 | dutchfish | yow: as i said before i dont know much about virtual box, but for the modules you need at leats the headers |
| 11:15.56 | thewanderer1 | yow: you only need linux-headers-* for VBox to build |
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| 11:16.04 | thewanderer1 | when in doubt, use module-assistant for this |
| 11:16.16 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 11:16.18 | nsadmin | vbox is all modules? |
| 11:16.28 | yow | dutchfish, ic |
| 11:16.43 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: I meant VirtualBox kernel modules only |
| 11:16.50 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:16.56 | yow | dutchfish, sorry, i thought linux source is needed for vitualbox too. |
| 11:17.39 | nsadmin | I'd say the source is sufficient but not necessary |
| 11:18.12 | nsadmin | the headers (some of which are generated based on the .config) are necessary and sufficient |
| 11:18.48 | yow | nsadmin, what do u mean the source "sufficient"? but it's different from the kernel and headers that im using/booting now |
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| 11:19.32 | nsadmin | wait, you're trying to build the modules for a kernel you're not presently running? I think that's possible but more difficult and PITAy |
| 11:19.52 | dutchfish | yow: in any case, if you need the source for something, upgrade it only along with your new kernel, till then leave it at the old version. |
| 11:20.26 | bihari | i have downloaded debian 32 bit iso when i try to boot through the cd it says unable to booot |
| 11:21.16 | dutchfish | yow: and rem to rebuild your new modules when your upgraded your kernel |
| 11:21.18 | nsadmin | bihari: what is the exact, complete name of the file you downloaded? |
| 11:21.29 | yow | nsadmin, no, i "think" im building the vbox module for the kernel im running but it's not the latest kernel on my system as i can't start gnome using the latest kernel, probably `apt` removed the older source from my system?! |
| 11:21.53 | bihari | debian-506-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:22.08 | nsadmin | ok, yes, that's 32 bit intel |
| 11:22.23 | nsadmin | for latest debian stable |
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| 11:22.29 | bihari | so why i can't able to boot it |
| 11:22.43 | nsadmin | not sure. how did you write it to the cd? |
| 11:22.48 | yow | dutchfish, vbox requires us to rebuild the module(s) every time we upgrade our kernel, that's why i could not boot my vbox after upgrading to 2.6.32-23 |
| 11:23.11 | bihari | yes i have write it to a cd |
| 11:23.30 | nsadmin | how exactly? |
| 11:23.34 | dutchfish | yow: yep |
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| 11:24.47 | HSorgYves | good morning, i have to upload backup files to an internal server of the hosting company which is shared with others; thus I want to encrypt the files before uploading them... what do you recommend? |
| 11:24.53 | nsadmin | there are atleast two different possibilities, either the download was bad or you wrote it to the cd in a weird way |
| 11:25.23 | yow | dutchfish, thank you very much for your time & effort. thanks to ledestin, thewanderer1 and nsadmin too. have to shut down my laptop and go for dinner now. take care & bye. |
| 11:25.32 | dutchfish | yow: yw |
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| 11:26.07 | nsadmin | yow: your case is I think simpler than we thought |
| 11:27.42 | nsadmin | if you got a debian-supplied kernel image, you can get the headers for that kernel as easily |
| 11:28.33 | dutchfish | nsadmin: this is what he pasted what he has http://pastebin.com/1eAvUScK |
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| 11:28.56 | yow | nsadmin, im not sure if it's simpler as i can still use gnome (GUI) by booting my older kernel (2.6.32-9), however, according to dutchfish, kernel 2.6.32-5-686 has a very serious bug which is not usable on my and some others' computer (can't start GUI). |
| 11:29.04 | nsadmin | dutchfish: oh, so it's resolved moreorless? |
| 11:29.26 | dutchfish | nsadmin: well .3 works but not .5 |
| 11:29.44 | nsadmin | for building the modules? |
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| 11:30.06 | dutchfish | that he couldnt yet because he could not boot the .5 at all |
| 11:30.30 | nsadmin | oh, that tends to rule out .5 :) |
| 11:30.32 | yow | nsadmin, not for building the vbox modules but for starting gnome, which i reckon is a much more serious problem for everyone who has it |
| 11:30.58 | nsadmin | it might be if it's reproducable along those lines |
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| 11:31.06 | yow | dutchfish & nsadmin: fyi, i can boot .5 but just CLI NOT GUI |
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| 11:31.17 | dutchfish | oh ok |
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| 11:31.31 | yow | dutchfish & nsadmin: i've not tested other desktop managers, do u think some of them may work? |
| 11:31.48 | nsadmin | oh, so the X driver needs to be added to .5 probably |
| 11:32.11 | HSorgYves | bcrypt? ncrypt? gnupg? |
| 11:32.17 | nsadmin | well I would guess that you can't even start X |
| 11:32.18 | yow | dutchfish, ooo i forgot 1 very important question, is there any different if i `dist-upgrade` while im under .3 or .5? |
| 11:32.52 | dutchfish | not really |
| 11:33.01 | nsadmin | Yow: if you have both installed, keep it that way while you dist-upgrade |
| 11:33.11 | yow | nsadmin, i think i could still start gnome when i upgraded to 2.6.32-18 (not 100% sure) but -21 & -23 failed |
| 11:33.16 | dutchfish | but if you are on the new kernel with working modules it will be alot easier |
| 11:33.34 | yow | nsadmin, keep it what way? sorry i don't understand |
| 11:33.45 | dutchfish | i have a hunch that udev is playing tricks on you |
| 11:33.56 | nsadmin | keep both kernels installed, and boot from the one that works with X |
| 11:34.05 | nsadmin | here's a test you can do |
| 11:34.25 | nsadmin | run the later (-5) kernel, then try X |
| 11:34.37 | yow | dutchfish, the best outcome would be for me to use the latest kernel but im afraid i can' afford to mess with building 2.6.35.x yet :( |
| 11:34.46 | dutchfish | yow: follow nsadmin |
| 11:34.59 | nsadmin | (if you need to get out, it's usually ctrl-alt-bksp to get out of a properly started X) |
| 11:35.13 | yow | nsadmin, my laptop freezed when i startx, after booting into .5 |
| 11:35.18 | nsadmin | either way you may have a log of it starting in /var/log/X* |
| 11:35.41 | nsadmin | complete lockup? |
| 11:35.41 | yow | nsadmin, it seems that nothing was recorded in the xorg log... |
| 11:35.47 | yow | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:36.08 | nsadmin | ever experience that kind of lockup when starting x before>? |
| 11:36.17 | yow | nsadmin, never |
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| 11:36.48 | nsadmin | that's somewhat unfortunate because it gives us no new information |
| 11:36.55 | yow | nsadmin, iirc, only after upgrading to 2.6.32-21 (and also 2.6.32-23). |
| 11:37.22 | nsadmin | are you running stable? |
| 11:37.30 | nsadmin | no, right? |
| 11:37.36 | dutchfish | testing |
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| 11:39.03 | nsadmin | I probably can't be of direct help with testing |
| 11:39.28 | yow | nsadmin, iirc, the reason i use squeeze is because pidgin (or some other package ) didn't work for me under lenny |
| 11:39.37 | dutchfish | yow: did you go by debian packaged vidoe drivers, or did you install prop drivers for your vidoe card? |
| 11:39.51 | dutchfish | s/vidoe/video |
| 11:39.56 | yow | nsadmin, in fact, i think xchat2 under squeeze is broken too?! |
| 11:40.21 | Veyka | xchat2 works fine in squeeze |
| 11:40.34 | yow | dutchfish, iirc, i use the "standard" video driver, never messed with it. |
| 11:40.36 | dutchfish | xchat2 works fine for me too in squeeze |
| 11:40.45 | dutchfish | yow: ok |
| 11:40.47 | yow | Veyka, i doubt it... |
| 11:40.50 | nsadmin | what's coo about xchat2? |
| 11:41.03 | Veyka | If it didnt work, I wouldnt be saying anything ;) |
| 11:41.14 | yow | Veyka, my problem with xchat2 under squeeze is that, it reveals my login id instead of using my nick!!! |
| 11:41.36 | nsadmin | isn't that a setting? |
| 11:41.36 | yow | Veyka, im now using xchat2 too :) |
| 11:41.53 | nsadmin | xchat tutu? |
| 11:41.57 | yow | nsadmin, it doesn't work, i think i've tried it all |
| 11:42.22 | yow | nsadmin, im using ubuntu on another computer and the xchat2 on that computer works fine |
| 11:42.29 | nsadmin | yow, your login id is a name on your system tho right? |
| 11:43.13 | yow | nsadmin & Veyka, in fact, the xchat2 in squeeze is the 1st and only version that i have encountered such problem (severe security bug, i reckon) thus far. |
| 11:43.22 | yow | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:43.25 | nsadmin | I mean a brute force bizarro way is to make another login |
| 11:43.46 | nsadmin | and make the login name be the nick |
| 11:43.54 | yow | nsadmin, do u mean creating another account with the nick i want to use? |
| 11:44.11 | nsadmin | yeah... dumb, huh? |
| 11:44.13 | yow | nsadmin, im afraid that's not "practical" :( |
| 11:44.20 | yow | dsockwell, sort of ;) |
| 11:44.29 | yow | nsadmin, sort of ;) |
| 11:44.43 | yow | dsockwell, sorry mistake. |
| 11:44.45 | nsadmin | just throwing it out there |
| 11:44.57 | Veyka | Chat > network list > click edit on a network > untick use global information > enter info you want to use |
| 11:44.57 | Veyka | no? |
| 11:45.05 | yow | nsadmin, in fact, im amazed no one ever mentioned about this severe bug?! |
| 11:45.29 | yow | Veyka, that doesn't work, unfortunately :( |
| 11:45.40 | Veyka | O-o |
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| 11:45.55 | Veyka | Really? |
| 11:46.14 | Veyka | Works fine here |
| 11:46.18 | yow | Veyka & nsadmin: im currently using xchat 2.8.8 (under squeeze) |
| 11:46.22 | Veyka | Purge/reinstall xchat |
| 11:46.32 | Veyka | Same |
| 11:46.49 | yow | Veyka, i may do that later, but will it erase my logs? |
| 11:47.06 | nsadmin | it might |
| 11:47.19 | Veyka | just copy them out of ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs |
| 11:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, logase are in $HOME |
| 11:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages don't touch $HOME |
| 11:47.41 | Veyka | Also rm the .xchat2 folder just to be sure |
| 11:47.49 | yow | Veyka, that's why im puzzled, i do think many ppl using the same version as i do but it crossed my mind that im the only one that having the problem |
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| 11:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | now _that_ will remove the logs... |
| 11:48.12 | Veyka | Yup, which is why you copy them out first ;) |
| 11:48.43 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat, so a purge/reinstall by itself won't touch logs (or user configs)? |
| 11:49.16 | yow | nsadmin, i think it should not touch user's logs. |
| 11:49.30 | nsadmin | right, |
| 11:49.43 | nsadmin | debian's not permitted to touch /home/you |
| 11:49.53 | nsadmin | well debian packaging that is |
| 11:49.59 | yow | Veyka & nsadmin, frankly, i still don't understand why i have the problem |
| 11:50.12 | nsadmin | us too :) |
| 11:50.17 | Veyka | Not a clue |
| 11:50.23 | yow | Veyka & nsadmin, in fact, i was thinking to install the backport!!! |
| 11:50.33 | nsadmin | tried a bar and got a foo! |
| 11:50.36 | Veyka | Fix it the windows way, remove it and reinstall it |
| 11:50.40 | Veyka | ;) |
| 11:50.46 | yow | nsadmin, if it's not caused by xchat2, what else could it be? |
| 11:51.22 | nsadmin | it probably has something to do with configuration |
| 11:51.52 | yow | Veyka & nsadmin, at first, i thought it's a bug in thie 2.8.8 version, but, when i found no solution nor complaint on the internet, i started to think differently. |
| 11:52.25 | yow | nsadmin, i think the xchatconf is rather simple and straightforward and i think i've trid it all |
| 11:52.32 | nsadmin | it might have happened or spawned when your xchat2 tried to convert your configs |
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| 11:53.14 | nsadmin | you could be right... and, you may never know until you try... |
| 11:53.26 | yow | nsadmin, i've used xchat for several years and i also use it on ubuntu lucid but all other xchat that i used is fine except this one on my laptop |
| 11:53.49 | yow | nsadmin & Veyka, i'll try your advice later. |
| 11:53.54 | Veyka | move ya logs out and rm the .xchat2 |
| 11:54.03 | Veyka | if it still bugs, then its something else |
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| 11:54.22 | nsadmin | here, try this: exit from xchat2, then do this: mv ~/.xchat2 ~/backup-.xchat2 |
| 11:54.31 | nsadmin | then start it up again |
| 11:55.08 | yow | nsadmin, Veyka, dutchfish, thewanderer1 & CutMeOwnThroat, i really have to shutdown my laptop soon, as the battery is running out. |
| 11:55.26 | yow | thank you guys and have a good day. take care & bye |
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| 11:55.34 | dutchfish | yow: ok, good luck |
| 11:55.40 | nsadmin | gluk |
| 11:55.54 | Veyka | Toodlepip |
| 11:56.18 | yow | thanks guys, you really are very helpful :) |
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| 11:57.39 | nsadmin | sometimes I have a hell-razer... then I change the blade : |
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| 11:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, this should be part of the policy, can't find any right now, though. Funny... I pretty strongly feel, that packaging should _never_ touch $HOME - the programs inside a package can do at will, but packaging should not |
| 11:59.12 | nsadmin | yeah I think you're right |
| 11:59.28 | nsadmin | (but remember policy is supposed to document current practice) |
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| 12:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure this is common practice... never seen anything else... but I was just searching through debian-policy and couldn't find much on $HOME |
| 12:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for FHS rules |
| 12:01.10 | nsadmin | interesting... |
| 12:01.30 | nsadmin | damn, I don't want devs to think they can wreak havok on my /home... |
| 12:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, grep -i home /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.p[ro]* |
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| 12:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, xulrunner looks scary on squeeze... |
| 12:06.39 | Veyka | It would be nice to have a option in apt-get/aptitude where it also cleans stuff out of /home |
| 12:06.44 | Veyka | But thats just me |
| 12:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner-1.9.1.postinst: rm -rf "$HOME" |
| 12:07.11 | nsadmin | ugh |
| 12:07.16 | nsadmin | really? |
| 12:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Veyka, no, it would not... if it's a multi-user system, actually this has a legal background... the stuff inside users $HOME is _his private area_ and you're not allowed to change stuff without asking them |
| 12:08.11 | nsadmin | that's at minimum an rc bug, but I'd say that's critical |
| 12:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's different when you install a package, they call it and then the program makes the file |
| 12:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, obviously, it didn't happen... as I have xulrunner installed and still have a $HOME |
| 12:08.56 | Veyka | Ah, thats true, me and my single user system mindset =] |
| 12:09.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, this is out of context.... although I can't imagine any context in which it would make sense right now :) |
| 12:09.27 | nsadmin | you and your mindset are two users! |
| 12:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, ah, actually: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner-1.9.1.postinst: export HOME=`mktemp -d` |
| 12:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... wtf? |
| 12:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so many ways to name a variable... why'd you want to call it "HOME" |
| 12:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | could at least have called it XULHOME or something |
| 12:11.26 | nsadmin | is there any way that assignment to HOME could happen on someone's shell? |
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| 12:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... from that grep it's pretty clear none of the package scripts ever touch $HOME (except if they redefine the variable) |
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| 12:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and actually the legal reason above is why no install script may ever touch $HOME of all users... |
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| 12:15.42 | ElDeablo | Bom dia! |
| 12:16.24 | X-Sleepy-X | Hi! I've just installed Debian on one of my laptops as a server and now I wonder if there is a way to disable the root account and use sudo instead? |
| 12:16.27 | nsadmin | bomb digity! |
| 12:17.14 | nsadmin | disable? just don't log in as root anymore |
| 12:17.24 | nsadmin | other people would have access? |
| 12:17.38 | nsadmin | make them sewer doers |
| 12:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | X-Sleepy-X, commonly that's done by switching the encrypted password in /etc/shadow for a "!" |
| 12:19.22 | X-Sleepy-X | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok, thanks! |
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| 12:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | X-Sleepy-X, good way to lock yourself out, though.... you can edit it with "vipw -s" |
| 12:24.11 | cupis | CutMeOwnThroat, passwd -l and passwd -u are better than editting /etc/shadow directly |
| 12:24.22 | X-Sleepy-X | ok |
| 12:24.24 | X-Sleepy-X | gtg |
| 12:24.30 | X-Sleepy-X | thanks for the info |
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| 12:25.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cupis, right :) but wasn't on the top of my mind |
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| 12:27.02 | manugupt1 | Hi I have been trying to run debian live cd on my system, but have not been successful.. |
| 12:27.11 | manugupt1 | It runs fine on my vbox |
| 12:27.28 | manugupt1 | but gives some sort of I/O error while loading |
| 12:27.34 | manugupt1 | from the cd |
| 12:27.47 | manugupt1 | Please help.. |
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| 12:28.05 | manugupt1 | I tried changing the bootloader options too |
| 12:28.52 | manugupt1 | At the debian menu... |
| 12:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:29.24 | manugupt1 | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 12:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, got it: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.7.5 |
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| 12:35.12 | nsadmin | useradd breaks policy :) |
| 12:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that seems about it... and this doesn't explicitely deal with removal (although it is pretty clear) |
| 12:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, no, this is what useradd does |
| 12:36.18 | nsadmin | so policy is flawed in this one detail... a careful read says that -only- adduser can do what useradd -m does :) |
| 12:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and it's not what I said! "useradd" is a program, it is not a {pre,post}{inst,rm} script |
| 12:36.49 | nsadmin | it just needs a slignt correction :) |
| 12:36.58 | nsadmin | it's nit picking |
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| 12:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but indeed, the policy doesn't seem to say that those shouldn't touch $HOME, which is an omission... |
| 12:37.23 | nsadmin | but if there were ever a bunch of nit pickers, it's debian developers :) |
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| 12:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me, those scripts changing home was so unthinkable, that nobody ever wanted to include this |
| 12:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/wanted to include/thought of including/ |
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| 12:38.09 | funman | hi |
| 12:38.19 | nsadmin | yeah, my thing is so far away from what you're saying (orthogonal even) |
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| 12:39.13 | LV-426 | is it possible to debootstrap from an installation cd image ? |
| 12:39.31 | nsadmin | why would you want to? that's what installation does |
| 12:39.39 | nsadmin | moreorless |
| 12:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | also note: "/etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it. This is particularly true because there is no easy (or necessarily desirable) mechanism for ensuring that the appropriate dotfiles are copied into the accounts of existing users when a package is installed." |
| 12:40.39 | LV-426 | to quickly setup a vm, with the next step being conversion of the debootstrap target dir to a 'raw' img format |
| 12:40.42 | nsadmin | the thing is that useradd can use dirs other than /etc/skel for the user home dir template |
| 12:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | LV-426, there's pre-installed images for most VMs around on the internet... no official ones, though |
| 12:41.29 | nsadmin | you might be able to write a script that does that |
| 12:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that... what you ask seems to be MTTIW |
| 12:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debootstrap |
| 12:43.41 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 12:45.05 | funman | i want to start maintaining an orphaned debian package but don't know where to start |
| 12:45.37 | nsadmin | technicalwise, get the package source and build the package |
| 12:45.45 | nsadmin | just to see if you can |
| 12:45.57 | funman | well i made that so far |
| 12:46.02 | funman | bug 594380 |
| 12:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | funman, /msg dpkg nmg and /msg dpkg mentors |
| 12:46.11 | funman | thx |
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| 12:46.42 | LV-426 | CutMeOwnThroat, recommend any for debian images ? nsadmin trying, still need to figure out the conversion step |
| 12:46.45 | nsadmin | so you want to fix that bug? or is that the bug report that orphaned it? |
| 12:46.55 | funman | nsadmin: that's the orphan bug |
| 12:47.10 | nsadmin | so you're a dd? |
| 12:47.18 | funman | no ^^ |
| 12:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | LV-426, see the debootstrap factoid I let dpkg recite above... |
| 12:47.27 | nsadmin | ok, so you would need a sponsor |
| 12:47.35 | funman | i know a dd so i'll ask him |
| 12:47.59 | nsadmin | preferably one that likes using the package |
| 12:48.16 | nsadmin | (you want to unorphan ipmasq too?) |
| 12:48.33 | funman | i don't know what ipmasq is? |
| 12:48.43 | nsadmin | oh ok... |
| 12:49.02 | nsadmin | you install it, it makes a masqing router of the box |
| 12:49.25 | nsadmin | does it by writing a bunch of iptables rules |
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| 12:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually gcc-mingw32 sounds like enough work to me :) |
| 12:52.34 | nsadmin | -that's- what he wants to unorphan?? |
| 12:53.04 | nsadmin | at least he got it to build... |
| 12:53.12 | funman | nsadmin: yes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594380 |
| 12:53.20 | nsadmin | see if you can build it under unstable, and under squeeze |
| 12:53.41 | funman | hm squeeze too? (i'll read the devel guide) |
| 12:53.58 | nsadmin | under squeeze... sounds like a steven segal move |
| 12:54.01 | nsadmin | ee |
| 12:54.20 | courpse | lol. |
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| 12:54.35 | nsadmin | all his movie titles were three sylables |
| 12:55.04 | nsadmin | ok except above the law |
| 12:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it possible to give m-a some manually downloaded source tree? |
| 12:57.54 | nsadmin | look at what m-a is really an alias for... |
| 12:58.11 | nsadmin | cd to the source tree then run make-kpkg modules_image |
| 12:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... but I have m-a installed, but not kernel-package |
| 13:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but thanks, that was what I was looking for |
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| 13:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | only.. with some more options... and that'S the problem, m-a knows how to put together linux-headers and module source, I don't |
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| 13:05.57 | preller | i've installed a minimal squeeze/sid system on an embedded box, now are all locales set to posix. what do need to do to set them to utf-8 ? |
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| 13:07.12 | rking | preller: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales then check the .UTF-8 ones |
| 13:07.13 | negev | hi, i've created a .deb file and am hosting it on my own repo. it installs and removes file, however after installation if i run apt-get upgrade immediately after, it always shows the package as having an upgrade available, even though its the same version. what am i doing wrong? is there some way i can run apt-get in debug mode to see where its doing its version comparison? |
| 13:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 13:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | negev, increase version number/patchlevel the packages in the repo have precedence else |
| 13:08.33 | preller | ok, locales aren't even installed. brb |
| 13:08.59 | negev | CutMeOwnThroat: pardon? |
| 13:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you recompiled an existing package, no? |
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| 13:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | pfft http://wiki.debian.org/Modules: Others, like Third party, Proprietary and other or Binary blobs modules... You should not install such modules on your system. |
| 13:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that's lame advice if I ever saw any |
| 13:16.03 | dyek | blip2: UNetbootin doesn't work for Debian Testing and Stable x86 and AMD64. It used netboot/gtk/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz and resulted in "kernel not found" error on boot. For Fedora, however, it uses Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso, which is large, instead of initrd.gz. So, UNetbootin is still not very straightforward, not to say latest Fedora versions are not added yet... |
| 13:16.23 | antivigilante | yeah |
| 13:17.15 | antivigilante | that wiki page is askin for an edit without anesthetic |
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| 13:17.53 | antivigilante | it's not like companies make drivers for linux first |
| 13:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "why should you care to get your hardware working if we didn't package it" |
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| 13:19.10 | slk | hi, i am doing apt-get install ntpdate and it sais it needs to install isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common lockfile-progs ntpdate |
| 13:19.18 | slk | i just want ntpdate i dont want dhcp stuff |
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| 13:19.43 | slk | is there a way to force it |
| 13:20.25 | cahoot | --nodeps? |
| 13:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | where does it say that |
| 13:21.24 | slk | The following extra packages will be installed: dhcp3-client dpkg isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common lockfile-progs |
| 13:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this lenny and do you already have dhcp3-client installed? |
| 13:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lockfile-progs is only a recommend |
| 13:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !recommends |
| 13:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 13:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !recommend |
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| 13:22.49 | slk | aptitude has it with an "i" |
| 13:22.53 | slk | so i guess it is |
| 13:22.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh... for once I call a factoid without checking on it... |
| 13:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-recommends |
| 13:23.03 | dpkg | APT installs recommended packages by default since Lenny. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will miss the standard functionality they provide. Squeeze's <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends> |
| 13:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | slk, has what with an i |
| 13:23.17 | preller | ok, i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but my locales are still posix |
| 13:23.24 | slk | dhcp3-client |
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| 13:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | slk, right... and ntpdate has a dependency "breaks dhcp3-client <4.1", so it has to be upgraded |
| 13:24.20 | slk | i see |
| 13:24.21 | coolguy4 | is changing from lenny to squeeze really as simple as replacing 'lenny' with 'squeeze' in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude && sudo aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 13:24.32 | slk | i hope i wont break anything if i let it do it with the recommended |
| 13:24.42 | slk | machine has static ip.. |
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| 13:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | slk, to answer your question: no, there is no way to not do this... the dependencies are there to let you keep a working system and apt does not allow you to break it (well, it does, but then refuses to keep working) - exceptions are the recommends, which are not mandatory, see factoid above |
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| 13:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's usually very good reasons for dependencies - if there are not, you should file a bug against the package |
| 13:26.42 | slk | i see thanks |
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| 13:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | slk, and ntpdate is obsolete |
| 13:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntpdate |
| 13:27.17 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via NTP. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>, <ntp>. |
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| 13:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | slk, so you probably want to also /msg dpkg why not ntpdate |
| 13:29.14 | coolguy4 | ok... well I'm going to try it. |
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| 13:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell coolguy4 about lenny2squeeze |
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| 13:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, not right now... you must upgrade the kernel first because of some problem with udev and there are a couple of other problems |
| 13:32.42 | coolguy4 | ahh... |
| 13:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially for some intel graphic cards |
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| 13:33.28 | coolguy4 | well I just installed dpkg apt and aptitude from squeeze. Hopefully that won't cause major problems. I'll do the kernal next then I'll reboot and do full-upgrade |
| 13:34.10 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. Is there any good way to export my emails and contacts from a .pst file to either evolution or icedove? |
| 13:34.25 | _stefanos_ | readpst does not for me. |
| 13:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are the options for compiling a module... probably with make-kpkg when I don't have the source installed but only linux-headers-xxx |
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| 13:39.13 | coolguy4 | cutmeownthroat: when I go to install the new kernal, it wants to remove a whole bunch of software because they will have unmet dependencies.... is this the best way to do things? remove them now and then reinstall after I reboot? |
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| 13:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you try to install it? |
| 13:40.05 | coolguy4 | aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` |
| 13:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't sound right... pastebin the command and output? |
| 13:40.15 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, are you planning to switch to squeeze? |
| 13:40.21 | coolguy4 | _stefanos: yes |
| 13:40.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) you're only adding a package, i.e. a new kernel |
| 13:40.58 | _stefanos_ | i tried to switch the first time and screwed everything because i did not update the stable edition and screwed the dependencies |
| 13:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and b) very few things depend on a certain kernel... |
| 13:41.11 | _stefanos_ | so the best thing to do is to first update your whole system |
| 13:41.15 | _stefanos_ | then install the kernel |
| 13:41.40 | _stefanos_ | and then follow the rest steps from msg dpkg stable->squeeze |
| 13:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not because it can render your system unbootable |
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| 13:42.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you MUST update the kernel first, else udev won't be able to load modules anymore |
| 13:42.16 | coolguy4 | cutmeownthroat: http://pastebin.com/yXrfe29t |
| 13:42.57 | _stefanos_ | CutmeOwnThroat, this is what I actually did first and destroyed everything |
| 13:43.14 | _stefanos_ | so if you come from a stable edition, run the updates first, then install the kernel and then the rest |
| 13:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, that has nothing to do with installing the kernel (and you can complete my nick with the Tab key) |
| 13:43.30 | coolguy4 | I think I can 'accept this solution', but I want to keep a record of the packages I have installed so I can reinstall them |
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| 13:43.58 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, there's a log file in /var/log i think |
| 13:44.23 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe because I installed apt dpkg and aptitude .... and then it installed the dependencies of those.... so that might have broken the packages that you see... |
| 13:44.39 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, sudo cat /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 13:45.49 | coolguy4 | ah, well I'll just save the output into a text file and adjust it so all the packages are on one line, then I can do sudo install `cat packagelist-filename` |
| 13:45.57 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4: or even the history.log from /var/log/apt/ |
| 13:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, it all hinges on upgrading perl-base... and aptitude makes a mess out of that - question is why perl-base should be upgraded in this step... might be because you installed newer aptitude... did installing that with apt-get /aptitude get interrupted? |
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| 13:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | or in other words _how_ did you install newer aptitude and dpkg? |
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| 13:48.09 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, no, there was no interruption. I did sudo aptitude -y install apt dpkg aptitude |
| 13:48.34 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, the install was fine I believe |
| 13:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | _stefanos_, "destroyed everything" is not very specific ... and this is what I and many others did and which worked for us... while it is known that the new udev together with the lenny default kernel will lead to problems - an unbootable system (if a module is needed e.g. for the filesystem) in the worst case |
| 13:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, try what aptitude -f install tells you... also see if apt-get -f install gives you a better solution |
| 13:50.25 | _stefanos_ | CutMeOwnThroat, what it actually did to my system, it was to remove kernel modules and file various dependencies without asking permission. |
| 13:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, the removal is not connected to installing the kernel but to some pre-existing condition |
| 13:50.30 | _stefanos_ | i have reported it |
| 13:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude always tells you what it is going to do |
| 13:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so does apt-get |
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| 13:55.50 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, -f didn't make a difference. Yes I see perl-base is causing all these other programs to be removed. Should I just accept this, allow the packages to be removed. install the new kernal and reboot? |
| 13:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, you should see the same solutions with "aptitude -f install" (note, you don't give a package to install there, the command is as-is) |
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| 13:57.43 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, well aptitude -f install says: No packes will be installe,d upgraded, or removed. ... |
| 13:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dunno what you want to do - try other solutions or try to give one - either upgrade perl or downgrade the packages causing it to be needed in a higher version |
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| 13:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? |
| 13:58.07 | coolguy4 | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 13:58.27 | coolguy4 | that's the response when I do sudo aptitude -f install |
| 13:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions perl-base |
| 13:58.57 | judd | Package perl-base on i386 -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; squeeze: 5.10.1-14; sid: 5.10.1-15; experimental: 5.12.2-1 |
| 13:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-base |
| 13:59.42 | judd | Package linux-base on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-21~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-22; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-23~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-23; squeeze: 2.6.32-23; sid: 2.6.32-24; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.3; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.5; experimental: 2.6.34-1~experimental.2; experimental: 2.6.35-1~experimental.3; |
| 13:59.44 | judd | experimental: 2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1; experimental: 2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1 |
| 14:00.05 | coolguy4 | if I do aptitude full-upgrade is it guaranteed to break something? So... I really need to install the new kernal... I don't think it's going to cause any major problems if I temporarily remove these packages. |
| 14:00.19 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, you should do as i said |
| 14:00.26 | _stefanos_ | i have had exactly the same issue |
| 14:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand why they should be removed in the first place |
| 14:00.38 | _stefanos_ | switch back to stable edition |
| 14:00.51 | _stefanos_ | and update the stable system |
| 14:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... why is "linux-base{a}" a new package to be installed? |
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| 14:01.07 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, when I installed apt aptitude and dpkg from squeeze, it must have down something related to perl. |
| 14:01.17 | _stefanos_ | disable backports, security and run the updates for stable |
| 14:01.34 | _stefanos_ | then switch back to squeeze and install kernel |
| 14:01.37 | _stefanos_ | that should do |
| 14:01.41 | marshallmc | how do i make a program run at startup? |
| 14:01.49 | _stefanos_ | from GUI? |
| 14:01.57 | marshallmc | no |
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| 14:02.43 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_, ok, but what do you mean switch? :) just to make sure I understand? I'm running lenny, I updated all references to lenny to squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list, I then installed dpkg apt and apitude from squeeze... now I should to aptitude full-upgrade ? (according to you?) |
| 14:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libuuid-perl |
| 14:03.00 | judd | Package libuuid-perl on i386 -- lenny: 0.02-3+b1; sid: 0.02-4; squeeze: 0.02-4 |
| 14:03.19 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, the steps are as follows: from lenny update the system to 5.0.6 |
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| 14:03.26 | rgr_ | just set lc_all in 7etc/profile and restarted gnome and now get " /bin/sh: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (de_DE.utf8)". What else do I have to do in debian to fully switch my machine over to german? |
| 14:03.29 | _stefanos_ | if you have installed it from CD or DVD i mean without updates |
| 14:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, is it possible you don't have libuuid-perl installed right now? the kernel needs it, tries to pull it in from squeeze and triggers all that? |
| 14:04.07 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, you're right. libuuid-perl is not installed |
| 14:04.29 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4: then from /etc/apt/sources.list disable backports, volatile, security |
| 14:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, can you pastebin dpkg -l libuuid-perl firmware-linux-free linux-base |
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| 14:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, I think installing that from lenny should resolve the conflict... |
| 14:05.16 | rgr_ | trying to change default locale to german in Debian testing - looking for any advice. Whats best way to do it? Google varies. |
| 14:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !locales |
| 14:05.48 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:05.56 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, http://pastebin.com/XASxehpK ... I thikn you're on to something |
| 14:06.18 | rgr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: merci, danke, thanks! ;) |
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| 14:07.52 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_, My sources.list has only 4 lines, currently squeeze main, squeeze non-free, virtualbox squeeze non-free and debian-multimedia squeeze main |
| 14:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, what's all those errors on your package database? |
| 14:08.18 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_, no volatile, security or backports in there |
| 14:08.53 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, invalid character in revision number? oh.... I saw a bunch of those when aptitude apt and dpkg were installing... |
| 14:09.34 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess I was hoping that it didn't mean anything :) |
| 14:10.21 | coolguy4 | I've buggered everything up, haven't I..... or have I? ... |
| 14:10.39 | coolguy4 | maybe I should change sources.list back to lenny and do sudo aptitude -f install and see what happens. |
| 14:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, guess you should look at this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590885 |
| 14:11.59 | coolguy4 | ah, virtualbox breaks everything lol |
| 14:12.11 | coolguy4 | curse you oracle |
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| 14:13.18 | rgr_ | heh, I have up with vbox for a while on testing. every second update seemed to break it and the usual "works for me" bleating caused me to develop a tick ... |
| 14:13.24 | rgr_ | s/have/gave |
| 14:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am not sure how much that mucks up everyting... e.g. your ability to see what packages are installed at all... |
| 14:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, I think you should fix that up first (the bugreport says how, I think), see if your problem goes away because it really came from a corrupt package database in some way |
| 14:15.08 | rgr_ | should the locale change also set the language for iceweasel. googling changin firefox language gives abotu 58k different answers. |
| 14:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, if not and it's the same, install libuuid-perl from lenny and try again... |
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| 14:20.36 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, I think the errors are just warnings about bad syntax, so maybe no big deal. I just installed libuuid-perl from lenny and it seemed to work ok. |
| 14:21.48 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, cool. I tried to install the new kernel from squeeze and it's not coming up with all the problems from before... |
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| 14:22.09 | coolguy4 | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 14:22.09 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.09 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.18 | coolguy4 | that's ok, right? |
| 14:23.46 | coolguy4 | linux-base, I mean. You made a comment about it before |
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| 14:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, I only skimmed over the bug report, so I don't know all consequences |
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| 14:24.39 | Angel-SL | !squeeze |
| 14:24.39 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 14:25.58 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, well it just says that there is an error installing virtualbox due to the invalid character, but a newer version of virtualbox doesn't have the problem. Then they talk about whether or not it's a good idea for dpkg to fail on these sorts of bad character errors... |
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| 14:28.26 | coolguy4 | I think it's normal for linux base to be installed a this point, I just checked what linux base actually is, and it says it contains the support scripts for the linux image... so presumably it goes along with the new kernal. |
| 14:28.46 | coolguy4 | I'm pressing 'Y'!!!!:) |
| 14:29.14 | coolguy4 | oh, I had done -s so 'Y' did nothing... |
| 14:29.23 | coolguy4 | I'm pressing 'Y'!!!!:) (for real this time!) |
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| 14:30.10 | beardy | judd: info module-assistant |
| 14:30.11 | judd | Package module-assistant (devel, optional) in lenny/i386: tool to make module package creation easier. Version: 0.10.11.0; Size: 100.9k; Installed: 512k |
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| 14:30.15 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^^ |
| 14:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean it's not packaged as a source package |
| 14:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. m-a -t list doesn't have it |
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| 14:42.42 | bint | hi |
| 14:43.49 | bint | i did a user that should manage all websites in the /var/www but this user hasn't got any rights to create a folder in /www - so i added the group www-data to this user |
| 14:43.53 | bint | is this stupid and a security risk? |
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| 14:46.20 | homie | isn't nobody supposed to handel that ? |
| 14:46.31 | NET||abuse | hi there folks, i've a problem i need help with. |
| 14:46.42 | NET||abuse | my ssh server is completely buggy it keeps dropping my login |
| 14:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh -vvv |
| 14:48.35 | NET||abuse | is this on my client side? |
| 14:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 14:49.13 | NET||abuse | ok, i've done that |
| 14:49.21 | NET||abuse | just wait for the connection to die? |
| 14:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | now figure out what it tells you :) |
| 14:49.44 | NET||abuse | it was dying and the only way i could get the console back was to find the ssh process and kill -9 it |
| 14:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "dropping my login" mean for you |
| 14:50.37 | NET||abuse | ok, sorry, proabably a bad way to describe it |
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| 14:50.49 | NET||abuse | it just seems to freeze my terminal |
| 14:50.55 | NET||abuse | maybe it's a cut connectoin |
| 14:51.01 | NET||abuse | but it just happens continuously |
| 14:51.08 | NET||abuse | after a minute or 3 or innactivity |
| 14:51.42 | NET||abuse | i'm opening vim to a file, i go off and read a webpage and then go back and its sitting there but i can't input anything |
| 14:51.52 | NET||abuse | then i have to kill ssh |
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| 14:52.10 | NET||abuse | sometimes the ssh server would become completely unresponsive for 5 minutes |
| 14:52.17 | NET||abuse | then it would just be available to connect to again |
| 14:52.20 | NET||abuse | no idea why |
| 14:54.42 | heg | NET||abuse: i had the same problem, but this was with a lousy internet connection |
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| 14:55.15 | HFSPLUS | Windows is better tyhan debian |
| 14:55.16 | NET||abuse | nah, it's not my connection |
| 14:55.31 | HFSPLUS | WINDOWS IS BETTER THAN LINUX |
| 14:55.57 | HFSPLUS | !ops |
| 14:55.57 | dpkg | well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 14:56.09 | HFSPLUS | ops $problem |
| 14:56.18 | HFSPLUS | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 14:56.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: hfsplus complains about: $problem |
| 14:56.20 | HFSPLUS | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 14:56.23 | HFSPLUS | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 14:56.43 | AimHere | $problem solved |
| 14:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 14:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | NET||abuse, "dropping the login" I would read as you're being kicked out immediately... |
| 14:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | against freezeing connections you can't do so much, it's often a router issue, too |
| 14:58.32 | NET||abuse | yeh, well, that's not what's happening. |
| 14:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a couple of options you can use in the server |
| 14:59.09 | NET||abuse | ok, so it's happened now with my ssh -vvv sessoin |
| 14:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, forget that... I was assuming a different problem |
| 14:59.37 | NET||abuse | debug3: Wrote 48 bytes blah blah... and it's still trying to send the commands |
| 14:59.50 | NET||abuse | but no echo feedback from the remote side |
| 15:01.25 | NET||abuse | so i've no idea why it's doing ths. |
| 15:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config: TCPKeepAlive yes might help, then there's ClientAliveCountMax, which you can use together with autossh - that will make your timeouts shorter and autossh will restart the shell |
| 15:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | see "man sshd_config" on what exactly those do |
| 15:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, perhaps I din't describe that accurately - read the manpage, it's the authorative source |
| 15:03.58 | NET||abuse | ok, TCPKeepAlive is already set true |
| 15:04.56 | NET||abuse | hmm there's one thing,, Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
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| 15:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also ServerAliveInterval on the client side |
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| 15:10.00 | bint | ehm whats the thing to remove a group from a user |
| 15:10.10 | bint | addgroup user:group adds the group to the user |
| 15:10.13 | bint | but how to remove group? |
| 15:11.23 | metalfoo | usermod |
| 15:12.00 | bint | but then i have to readd all the groups? |
| 15:12.04 | bint | to the user |
| 15:19.11 | bint | ok it worked |
| 15:19.43 | metalfoo | The time you took for it, you could have also edited /etc/groups by yourself ;) |
| 15:19.50 | metalfoo | -s |
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| 15:20.11 | bint | so i added the user www-admin to my account, and chown root:www-admin to /var/www then chmod 775 www |
| 15:20.20 | bint | so now i can create folders in /var/www |
| 15:20.27 | bint | this isn't a security risk is it? |
| 15:20.57 | metalfoo | It depends. Usually this is, how it is done. |
| 15:21.04 | bint | ok so thats fine |
| 15:22.17 | bint | and is it easy for other uses to spoof the folders i have in /var/www or do they have to bruteforce it |
| 15:22.41 | bint | i'm using apache2 |
| 15:23.16 | metalfoo | Since you gave them read permissions: Not that complicated, isn't it? |
| 15:23.52 | bint | no i mean not users |
| 15:23.52 | bint | sorry |
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| 15:23.58 | bint | i mean internet-users |
| 15:24.01 | bint | just anyone |
| 15:24.11 | metalfoo | Depends on your Apache configuration. |
| 15:24.19 | bint | i didn't config a lot so far |
| 15:24.23 | bint | as i'm really new on it |
| 15:24.32 | bint | i just want to kinda run a moreless secure box as i'm responsible for it... |
| 15:25.55 | metalfoo | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/sections.html See Indexes option |
| 15:26.23 | bint | thank you |
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| 15:26.48 | bint | i just asked in #httpd for a good tutorial how to set up apache and php in a secure way |
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| 15:32.01 | Cookiekiller | Someone knows when squeeze will be released? :S |
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| 15:32.21 | metalfoo | Sure |
| 15:32.26 | metalfoo | Its done when its done. |
| 15:32.41 | Cookiekiller | this answer is like 42. .. :) |
| 15:32.54 | metalfoo | Debian actually _is_ 42 |
| 15:33.26 | bint | i'm using a selfmade kernel on my box (i rented it from a isp in europe and they kinda restrict modules by default in their kernel) |
| 15:33.33 | bint | will it be easy to upgrade it to squeeze then? |
| 15:33.54 | bint | or should i keep using lenny as long as everything is running fine on it? |
| 15:33.59 | metalfoo | There are issues with older kernels and udev. Which one do you run? |
| 15:34.19 | bint | hmm to be honest.. i dont know |
| 15:34.29 | bint | wait i'll look it up |
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| 15:35.51 | bint | whats the command? uname -r ? |
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| 15:36.02 | metalfoo | Yes |
| 15:36.10 | bint | 2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 |
| 15:36.54 | metalfoo | Should be fine for Squeeze. |
| 15:37.13 | bint | and upgrading is as easy as apt-get install something :D? |
| 15:37.24 | metalfoo | Well, yes. But why should you? |
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| 15:37.49 | bint | well there is an application running on squeeze i kinda would like to have on lenny |
| 15:38.12 | bint | i would have to go for a very unstable version because the deps are so long |
| 15:38.14 | metalfoo | There is no reason to upgrade to Squeeze on a production environment right now, although you can consider it pretty stable |
| 15:38.29 | NET||abuse | hmm, the ssh session isn't what's dying, ,seems if i leave a screen tab alone too long the shell dies, not the ssh connectoin |
| 15:38.44 | bint | well i wouldn't upgrade now |
| 15:38.51 | bint | i would upgrade when its done.. after 2 month maybe |
| 15:39.11 | metalfoo | That should be fine, as soon as it released. |
| 15:39.33 | bint | i'm not running business stuff on my server.. i use it more for backuping my pictures, host some private websites etc... |
| 15:40.20 | bint | i'm just always afraid that someone could use my server in a botnet or something because i'm so new on linux |
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| 15:43.08 | metalfoo | If you fear that, you shouldn't run a Linux server. |
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| 15:43.44 | bint | i dont fear... never ever.. i just dont wanna be a vicitim |
| 15:44.19 | metalfoo | You wouldn't drive a car without knowing how to, wouldn't you` |
| 15:45.46 | metalfoo | It's good to learn, but must it be on a server with a big uplink and reachable by the whole world? Others can potentially do harmful things. |
| 15:46.06 | NET||abuse | OMG |
| 15:46.17 | NET||abuse | heg |
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| 15:46.27 | NET||abuse | heg: you were completely right, it's the local connection here |
| 15:46.27 | webguy024 | can someone advise me on installing debian on my sony vaio laptop. Can I? Should I? Last time I installed linux it was rh8 or 9. Thanks. |
| 15:47.01 | NET||abuse | heg, i switched laptop lately, turns out i have the client ssh conf set for KeepAlive, forgot i had that set, now on my EeePc and turns out it's happening on all ssh connectoins |
| 15:47.06 | metalfoo | But to come back to your question: Yes, you should be able to upgrade. Since you seem to run a VPS be careful if its supported, generally speaking everything seems ok though. |
| 15:47.10 | NET||abuse | damn UPC cable connectoin |
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| 15:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | NET||abuse, oh... it was clear from the start that it's the connecteion - I was trying to give you workarounds |
| 15:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't realize it wasn _not_ clear for you :) |
| 15:49.35 | NET||abuse | CutMeOwnThroat, yeh, i'm dumb that way sometimes |
| 15:50.25 | NET||abuse | CutMeOwnThroat, what's a normal ServerAliveInterval settings? 5? 10? |
| 15:52.21 | bint | metalfoo no i wouldn't drive a car without knowing how to |
| 15:53.05 | bint | but a webserver isn't a car... nobody will die.. or even get injured.. |
| 15:53.25 | bint | and. if i learn how to drive a car.. i go out with a teacher - he shows me how to drive it safe |
| 15:53.44 | bint | thats what i do... i'm reading, i ask guys in debian.. these are my teachers.. my box is me with the car drivin in the www |
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| 15:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | NET||abuse, I haven't that set... the TCPKeepAlive has been sufficient so far |
| 15:55.33 | NET||abuse | CutMeOwnThroat, ahh, that's what i used to have, maybe that's all i need |
| 15:55.38 | NET||abuse | i'll test this an dsee |
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| 15:55.59 | metalfoo | bint: That's not true. Servers like potentially yours, driving in auto-pilot, without an administrator who knows what he does are a huge risk. Not only for you, for the rest of the Internet. The spam you get all day and the DoS attacks who are driven by a whole criminal industry base on abused servers. |
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| 15:56.08 | NET||abuse | CutMeOwnThroat, and what do you set it to? true? or a number? |
| 15:56.36 | metalfoo | I wouldn't care if you would exploit yourself only. But you do for the rest of the Internet too |
| 15:57.52 | bint | metalfoo i do care.. i care alot about security on my box |
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| 16:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | NET||abuse, "man ssh_config" explains that in detail |
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| 16:03.17 | NET||abuse | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 16:31.49 | xperia | hello to all. i am having big problems with installing/removing the package "proftpd". at the moment i cant remove it as it breaks everytime with the error message "debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/ config.dat". Reinstalling dont work also ! How can i fix this problem ? strange thing is that i dont have the directory "/var/cache/debconf/" and i dont have... |
| 16:31.51 | xperia | ...config.dat. till some minutes everything worked fine. |
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| 16:34.13 | petemc | Zeit|awy: xperia how did you verify you dont have that directory? |
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| 16:38.33 | bthornton | is there a way to dump an ext3 filesystem to a file that can be mounted via loopback AND such that the size of the file is roughly the same size of the used space on the filesystem? |
| 16:39.28 | bthornton | I can achieve this by just using 'dd' but the output file is the size of the partition... so if I have 300G used on a 1T partition, I still end up with a 1T file (which I don't want) |
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| 16:40.47 | petemc | bthornton: compression would solve that problem, partimage offers various compression formats |
| 16:40.48 | mentor | bthornton: tar? |
| 16:40.52 | cahoot | tar? |
| 16:41.17 | xperia | petemc: ls -la /var/cache |
| 16:41.18 | Zambezi | I have Squeeze x64 and Chrome from Googles repo (so I don't need flash). When Chrome is running, I don't get any sound in mplayer or cvlc. Can anyone try to reproduce? |
| 16:41.46 | bthornton | petemc: that would work, but I wouldn't be able to mount the TAR archive over loopback without uncompressing |
| 16:42.03 | bthornton | and then I end up with both the uncompressed and compressed versions of the archive--which is even more wasted space |
| 16:42.13 | petemc | indeed |
| 16:42.14 | mentor | bthornton: Create a loopnack filesystem, then but the files in it |
| 16:42.19 | mentor | put |
| 16:42.23 | petemc | xperia: you really should have that directory |
| 16:42.41 | mentor | bthornton: You don't need to use compression with tar |
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| 16:42.52 | bthornton | true |
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| 16:42.58 | Raydiation | any guess when squeeze comes out? |
| 16:43.24 | mentor | July |
| 16:43.34 | xperia | hmmm but i dont have it and before installing proftpd everything worked. i tryed to remove proftpd after this with "sudo apt-get autoremove proftpd" but it did not solved the problem |
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| 16:44.38 | Stealth` | hi |
| 16:44.56 | deepy | Zambezi: if you launch mplayer before chrome, does mplayer have sound but not chrome? |
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| 16:46.36 | SDr | hiya! |
| 16:46.58 | SDr | problem: php5-fpm in /etc/init.d ,yet after reboot, it fails to start |
| 16:47.44 | SDr | issuing /etc/init.d/php5-fpm start manually works. |
| 16:47.57 | SDr | I'm having biiig WTF question marks above my head |
| 16:49.28 | Zambezi | deepy: Really good question. I assumed that Chrome hijacked the codec. I'll try asap. |
| 16:49.35 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:50.28 | althalus | SDr: check out update-rc.d, there's a manpage for it. syntax is: update-rc.d <servicename> defaults |
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| 16:53.07 | SDr | aaand I'm up&running. |
| 16:53.14 | SDr | thx+beer @althalus |
| 16:53.22 | althalus | np SDr |
| 16:53.53 | Zambezi | deepy: Correct. If I start mplayer first, then Chrome it's silence on Youtube. Same thing pausing and quiting mplayer. If I reload Youtube it's sound. If I then start mplayer it the slowest slowmotion I've ever seen. |
| 16:56.02 | webguy024 | going to install debian on my laptop - never done it before. Can anyone recommend a guide? |
| 16:57.36 | qq- | !ig |
| 16:57.36 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 16:57.47 | Zambezi | webguy024: It's pretty straight forward so it shouldn't be a problem. Just have a livecd as backup. |
| 16:59.23 | webguy024 | thx Zambezi |
| 17:00.47 | althalus | webguy024: there's also over a million google hits for 'how to install debian on a laptop', try googling for a howto specific for your laptop. someone else may have already done it and written a specific howto. |
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| 17:02.11 | webguy024 | althalus: thanks I did that and didn't find anything for my specific laptop. |
| 17:02.26 | webguy024 | I'm searching everywhere though - thanks again |
| 17:03.38 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok. |
| 17:04.41 | metaphlex | in firefox (iceweasel) if I have a video playing or paused on one tab, and load a video on another, it stops and blanks out the old video |
| 17:05.25 | metaphlex | this also happens with at least one flash app: grooveshark. if i start to load a video in a new tab, grooveshark completely blanks out |
| 17:06.10 | metaphlex | I'm assuming that it's with flash, any idea what's going on? |
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| 17:06.37 | fbs | which flashplayer do you use? |
| 17:07.55 | metaphlex | flashplayer-mozilla version: 2:10.1.53.64-0.0 |
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| 17:08.29 | metaphlex | that's all i can find under flash in synaptic |
| 17:09.06 | metaphlex | fbs: is that all of flash or just a plugin? what would flash be under |
| 17:10.01 | fbs | adobe released a new flashplayer |
| 17:10.32 | fbs | you need to install it manualy in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 17:10.39 | fbs | then remove the other flash |
| 17:10.45 | metaphlex | cool. thanks |
| 17:10.53 | Veyka | flashplugin-nonfree in squeeze pulls it in auto now |
| 17:11.00 | fbs | ah cool |
| 17:11.16 | Veyka | At least it does for 64bit installs |
| 17:11.33 | metaphlex | Veyka, are you saying switch to flashplugin-nonfree and then it will take care of it? |
| 17:11.41 | metaphlex | I run 64bit |
| 17:11.43 | fbs | yeah he is |
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| 17:11.54 | metaphlex | k just double checking |
| 17:12.10 | tuv | do all debian kernels work as xen guests? |
| 17:12.26 | metaphlex | thanks! |
| 17:12.41 | Veyka | Yup, I am |
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| 17:17.17 | ChrisF-- | I want to give Debian a try on my Macbook but do I need to download all 5 DVD's? Also, do you recommend going the DVD ISO route or the net installer? |
| 17:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisF--, the netinstall cd is enough if you have internet on the computer |
| 17:18.12 | deepy | Zambezi: does your sound card support hardware mixing? |
| 17:18.28 | ChrisF-- | CutMeOwnThroat: It's using wifi though... should that work ok? |
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| 17:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisF--, you'll have to try and see, I guess... you might have a look at the kmuto images with newer kernels for hardware support of more recent hardware ( /msg dpkg kmuto ) |
| 17:23.27 | metaphlex | ChrisF--: if it's a live distro, you should be able to boot and make sure the wifi connects first |
| 17:24.41 | ChrisF-- | ok, thank you |
| 17:25.00 | ChrisF-- | and from what I've read, I shoudl do the debian testing, correct? |
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| 17:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuv, debian xen has its own channel ; #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net - /msg dpkg xen |
| 17:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might have more luck there |
| 17:26.38 | karlpinc | ChrisF--: Depends. You can run stable and get newer stuff from backports.debian.org and volatile.debian.org. |
| 17:26.50 | Wyzard | tuv: As domU, yes |
| 17:26.57 | Wyzard | tuv: You need the -xen kernel flavor for dom0 |
| 17:27.01 | ChrisF-- | ok, thanks |
| 17:27.09 | karlpinc | ChrisF--: I run stable because I just want my desktop to work. YMMV. |
| 17:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisF--, not for hardware support, as I said - /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:29.05 | Veyka | Squeeze is frozen atm, and I havent bumped into any bugs with it yet, ymmv though |
| 17:29.30 | Veyka | Should say, have been on testing/squeeze for 6months or so |
| 17:29.33 | karlpinc | ChrisF--: And /msg dpkg bpo for installing a newer kernel |
| 17:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not using fglrx, then |
| 17:29.47 | Veyka | Hisssssssssssssssssssssss |
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| 17:30.05 | Veyka | Out devil out |
| 17:30.06 | Veyka | >> |
| 17:30.12 | Veyka | Aka, no, Im not |
| 17:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you taking pills for that? |
| 17:30.35 | Veyka | Not anymore ;) |
| 17:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | explains it |
| 17:30.44 | Veyka | Hahaaha |
| 17:31.18 | deepy | Can I control the cursesversion of bittornado somehow? |
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| 17:32.18 | fbs | What is the best way to get ati card working in debian? |
| 17:32.30 | fbs | donwload from the ati site, or fglrx from the repo? |
| 17:32.44 | Veyka | repo |
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| 17:33.06 | Veyka | imo at least |
| 17:33.24 | Zambezi | deepy: Don't know. It's not a big problem since I just turn off Chrome. Maybe I check more another day. |
| 17:33.48 | deepy | Zambezi: you'll experience the same problem if you use oss and alsa |
| 17:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fglrx |
| 17:33.55 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx, R7xx and Evergreen chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; use <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The version in squeeze supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary. Note bug #595200. |
| 17:36.27 | Veyka | I think squeeze has 10.7 which is pretty much upto date |
| 17:36.49 | Veyka | Might have to turn the new 2D acceleration stuff off if you have problems. |
| 17:42.16 | Zambezi | deepy: Statement or question? |
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| 17:49.04 | coolguy4 | hi there, i've just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and i've got a bit of a problem with xorg... startx fails... (EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0) ... any thoughts? |
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| 17:51.27 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:52.55 | metalfoo | Or remove it entirely |
| 17:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 17:53.44 | _stefanos_ | true |
| 17:53.57 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_ hey _stefanos_ still here.. :) ... I'm still trying to get squeeze working. the only thing in xorg.conf is that it is using 'kbd' as a driver. |
| 17:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | move it away, everything should be autodetected |
| 17:55.00 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried deleting xorg.conf but it didn't help |
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| 17:55.10 | _stefanos_ | your keyboard should work properly with Driver "kbd" |
| 17:55.20 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_ I know, it is very strange |
| 17:55.33 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, there are broken packages on your system |
| 17:55.40 | coolguy4 | not any more |
| 17:55.45 | _stefanos_ | run "aptitude" as root and see about it |
| 17:55.51 | coolguy4 | ok I'll check |
| 17:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you dont by any chance not have xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed? |
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| 17:57.25 | coolguy4 | ah, you're right fglrx-glx-32 is broken (it's the only one). I'm going to remove it because I have a second video card that is not supported by fglrx |
| 17:57.41 | _stefanos_ | nice |
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| 18:00.21 | coolguy4 | well, I removed it but the same error occurs when starting X |
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| 18:00.59 | _stefanos_ | have you restarted PC? |
| 18:01.35 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_ a few times, but not since removing that last package... |
| 18:01.56 | _stefanos_ | then do it once more; it won't hurt :) |
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| 18:02.01 | coolguy4 | sure, why not. |
| 18:02.02 | coolguy4 | ok |
| 18:02.05 | _stefanos_ | ;) |
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| 18:04.38 | _stefanos_ | guys, how much time does it get your system to shut down? |
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| 18:05.32 | coolguy4 | still the same problem, I think I saw a couple of error messages about udev pop up during the boot... I'll have to see what log file they're in |
| 18:06.27 | _stefanos_ | i face udev issues as well and I cannot find those errors on a log file |
| 18:06.56 | _stefanos_ | also, have you tried to shutdown your system to see how much time it takes to switch off? |
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| 18:07.38 | _stefanos_ | mine for some reason is way too fast and i don't know if it's normal. If it is, I will be very pleased with Debian more than I already am :D |
| 18:08.06 | coolguy4 | yeah it's much quicker than it was on ubuntu 8 which was what I was using before |
| 18:08.24 | coolguy4 | the udev messages are just warnings saying that a certain syntax used is being depreciated in the future |
| 18:08.28 | _stefanos_ | on my PC it takes only 3 seconds, no matter what applications I have open! |
| 18:08.44 | _stefanos_ | and we are talking about an old PC, 5 to 6 years old. |
| 18:09.51 | coolguy4 | but it does have a message saying ... unknown key 'TAG' in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules ... not sure what that's about |
| 18:10.10 | coolguy4 | _stefanos_ that's pretty good! |
| 18:10.38 | _stefanos_ | your message is about permissions to TAG which I don't know what it is |
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| 18:10.56 | coolguy4 | it's also given me smaller fonts on the tty terminal which is cool |
| 18:11.24 | _stefanos_ | that can be arranged within your xorg.conf in case you want to change it |
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| 18:11.56 | reavengrey | Nice, I got debian done nicely |
| 18:12.22 | coolguy4 | really? but i thought xorg.conf wouldn't even have been loaded yet... until X loads |
| 18:12.45 | reavengrey | I have quite a few questions, though |
| 18:12.52 | reavengrey | I'll begin asking in a small while |
| 18:13.30 | coolguy4 | reavengrey: ok :) |
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| 18:16.13 | Veyka | VT resolution is set in grub.conf O-o |
| 18:16.21 | _stefanos_ | coolguy4, your friend is http://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage |
| 18:16.22 | _stefanos_ | ;) |
| 18:16.31 | _stefanos_ | very helpful and lots of answers in there |
| 18:16.54 | coolguy4 | another error that shows when I do startx, and this doesn't get recorded in X's log... The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error: Cannot open "/tmp/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description |
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| 18:17.32 | coolguy4 | I guess I should instal lynx or something so I can use the web |
| 18:17.52 | Veyka | aptitude full-upgrade doesnt say anything else to upgrade? |
| 18:18.13 | coolguy4 | Veyka: nope |
| 18:18.43 | Veyka | Did you have any custom udev rules back in lenny? |
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| 18:19.12 | coolguy4 | Veyka: no |
| 18:19.53 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.24 | Veyka | What do you have in your etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules folder? |
| 18:20.30 | Veyka | err |
| 18:20.35 | Veyka | /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 18:20.37 | Veyka | my bad |
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| 18:21.39 | coolguy4 | I'm using sirc and I don't know how to send text from the terminal into sirc... but I can type in the output... |
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| 18:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, there's pastebinit |
| 18:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and gpm |
| 18:23.07 | coolguy4 | 60-vboxdrv.rules 70-persistent-cd.rules-old z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules 70-persistent-cd.rules 70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 18:25.06 | Veyka | try removing the z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom one |
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| 18:25.11 | coolguy4 | ok |
| 18:25.46 | mrSmith_ | hello, guys, can anyone help me? I am trying to install cmromium-browser, add repositories, but I get an error: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6B15AB91951DC1E |
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| 18:26.08 | asdmorn | a dist-upgrade to squeeze deinstalled python. nothing is working. what can i do? what have i done wrong? |
| 18:26.10 | coolguy4 | Veyka: no change |
| 18:26.16 | cr4ckn | hello the file /etc/debian_version contains squeeze/sid it s mean i am on testing distrib? |
| 18:26.21 | Veyka | chuck in sudo udevadm control --reload-rules |
| 18:26.37 | fbs | mrSmith_: add the gpg key |
| 18:27.01 | coolguy4 | hmmm.. lynx just died because it had a permission denied in the /tmp directory... |
| 18:27.07 | Veyka | O_o |
| 18:27.41 | deepy | How sensitive |
| 18:27.44 | Veyka | How is your disk partitioned? |
| 18:28.21 | coolguy4 | Veyka: I have one partition for the entire squeeze install |
| 18:28.38 | Veyka | How weird |
| 18:28.38 | cr4ckn | i had in my apt file the rep deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt squeeze main to install wine. How can be sure that the lamaresh repo is used instead of the official debian rep? |
| 18:28.46 | mrSmith_ | fbs, when I try to add the key I receive an error: gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'www.keys.eu.pgp.net' |
| 18:29.00 | coolguy4 | ... /tmp only has write access for the owner, which is root |
| 18:29.08 | mrSmith_ | * network connection via local proxy |
| 18:29.13 | Veyka | cr4ckn, see aptitude help |
| 18:29.24 | Veyka | see -t |
| 18:29.45 | Veyka | coolguy4, er, thats not right |
| 18:30.21 | coolguy4 | Veyka: should I do chmod /tmp a+w ? |
| 18:30.32 | coolguy4 | er chmod a+w /tmp |
| 18:31.00 | Veyka | Looks about right |
| 18:31.16 | coolguy4 | ok... I'LL DO IT! :) |
| 18:31.19 | Veyka | That looks like what mines set to |
| 18:31.22 | Veyka | ! |
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| 18:31.59 | coolguy4 | Veyka: awesome... startx works |
| 18:32.07 | Veyka | And then there was light |
| 18:32.17 | coolguy4 | lol |
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| 18:32.25 | coolguy4 | now I just have to get my three screens working... |
| 18:32.54 | Veyka | Good luck =p |
| 18:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't too hard |
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| 18:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you need an xorg.conf :-P |
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| 18:33.50 | coolguy4 | the default xorg.conf has got both my gpus working... so that's a definite positive. |
| 18:34.00 | pasky | Hi! On i386 lenny, how to get 64-bit libgcc_s installed? |
| 18:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | else the virtual screen isn't big enough |
| 18:34.04 | asdmorn | well anyone has an idea how i can get python back on my system? i dont know why it was removed. i mean everything depends on python, and now i cant do anything. :( |
| 18:35.03 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat: I have one that was generated by X -configure ... either that or it was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:35.38 | Veyka | asdmorn, grab the .deb off the debian packages site and dpkg -i it? |
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| 18:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | coolguy4, if this is fglrx, shouldn't you have been using aticonfig? |
| 18:36.43 | asdmorn | it gives dependency problems, and when solving the with apt-get install -f, he gets stuck, because he needs python do deinstall/install some packages. |
| 18:36.56 | Veyka | Whats the problem? |
| 18:37.26 | coolguy4 | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, I removed fglrx because my second gpu is too old for fglrx... funnily enough there is no driver mentioned in the generated xorg.conf |
| 18:38.05 | Veyka | asdmorn, so yeh, pastebin the error msg you get from dpkg when trying to reinstall python |
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| 18:39.38 | asdmorn | youre a wizard or what? it works? i was sure i tired that :) |
| 18:40.06 | asdmorn | *tried |
| 18:40.26 | Veyka | it reinstalled? |
| 18:41.01 | Veyka | Goodo :P |
| 18:41.21 | asdmorn | yes. i still wonder why apt-get dist-upgrade failed. hope the rest works. i luv debian. thanks! :) |
| 18:42.45 | Veyka | Make sure to read the notes, got to be careful about udev/kernel upgrades between lenny and squeeze |
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| 18:45.04 | asdmorn | well, i have used the squeeze kernel for a while now... pinning is wonderful.. |
| 18:46.42 | Veyka | I think its that squeeze udev wont work with the lenny kernel, so you shouldnt have any problems there =] |
| 18:47.25 | rgr | how to change language in iceweasel in squeeze? my locale is correctly set to DE for gnome and that works fine. cant see langauge setting in IW though. |
| 18:48.40 | Veyka | rgr, do you have iceweasel-l10n-de installed? |
| 18:48.58 | rgr | just found that in google as you hit return ;) |
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| 18:49.38 | rgr | funny I missed it before. thanks. |
| 18:49.49 | Veyka | No problem ;) |
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| 18:50.38 | rgr | decided to go fully "G" .... about time I learnt the language ... |
| 18:51.00 | Veyka | Best of luck with that! |
| 18:51.26 | Veyka | I only speak English and bad English ;) |
| 18:51.46 | Veyka | More's the pity. |
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| 18:55.39 | rgr | yeah, 8 years here. I have the basics but needs must and its back to IT for me so I had better learn the lingo properly... |
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| 18:55.53 | rgr | too easy to be usign English for so long. |
| 18:58.29 | _stefanos_ | reading a few books helps a lot i would say |
| 18:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a lot of books |
| 18:58.48 | _stefanos_ | ;) |
| 19:00.06 | _stefanos_ | English is not my first language, but let's face it; English is everywhere and if you don't know English, or have some good foundations, then you will definitely going to get trouble |
| 19:01.47 | rgr | german is the kind of language reading books doesnt help that much til you're already pretty good. The sentence structure is mental. best is radio and pub. Just not an english/irish pub ;) |
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| 19:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear oh dear... the devil... there's not even a license file! http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
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| 19:06.26 | Veyka | hissssssssss |
| 19:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's these new dried frog pills against that, ya know |
| 19:07.46 | Veyka | I only use 100% natural organic frog pills ;) |
| 19:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 19:08.27 | Veyka | No toad substitute for me! |
| 19:08.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:08.38 | qq- | !kiss |
| 19:08.38 | dpkg | [kiss] Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 19:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps there's support in 2.6.36... aww, perhaps I just wait a bit |
| 19:09.22 | Veyka | What for? |
| 19:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | for drivers to migrate into proper mainlinke kernels |
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| 19:10.34 | Veyka | A chunk should comedown the line, can always the staging ones though |
| 19:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | building it fails... looks like that's my fault, though... possibly |
| 19:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | [...]/usb.h:949: error: `KBUILD_MODNAME' |
| 19:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or their makefiles fault... not sure |
| 19:12.23 | Veyka | My hardware is a few years old luckerly, so I cant be much help |
| 19:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to build under ubuntu according to posts in their forum |
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| 19:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... building kernel modules using the -headers package has alway been a bit of a nightmare to me |
| 19:13.12 | Veyka | Should build then, unless ubuntu is doing some black magic |
| 19:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I _don't_ want to get the kernel source or compile my own |
| 19:13.29 | surf | Hi guys I need to install a deb squeeze using an usb key on a netbook. Can I use the usual image and install it with unetbootin? |
| 19:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems to find the files from linux-headers, though |
| 19:14.59 | Veyka | surf, aint done it myself, but dont see why not |
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| 19:16.09 | Veyka | And building a streamlined custom kernel is so relaxing ;) |
| 19:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you want to install _to_ the usb stick or from it? |
| 19:16.27 | surf | from it |
| 19:16.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you have a linux system? |
| 19:16.51 | surf | no the hd is empty |
| 19:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean on another machine |
| 19:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kmuto |
| 19:17.06 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 19:17.07 | surf | yes |
| 19:17.09 | surf | on this one |
| 19:17.48 | Veyka | He wants squeeze, so :P |
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| 19:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are pre-made images for a usb stick there, you put the netinstall iso on the stick... |
| 19:17.54 | surf | CutMeOwnThroat, what about squeeze? |
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| 19:18.16 | Veyka | UNetbootin should work |
| 19:18.17 | Veyka | O-o |
| 19:18.34 | surf | with which image? |
| 19:18.39 | Veyka | It says it supports squeeze |
| 19:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably... you're right if you want squeeze... |
| 19:18.56 | Veyka | Has the netbook got a wired net connection? |
| 19:19.00 | surf | yep |
| 19:19.11 | Veyka | Then just use the netinstal |
| 19:19.16 | surf | a netinstall should be good |
| 19:19.21 | Veyka | yupyup |
| 19:19.37 | surf | but I tried the multiplatform one and it does not recognise the ethernet port |
| 19:20.33 | surf | i will follow this guide |
| 19:20.33 | surf | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
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| 19:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it might be easier to install lenny then upgrade :-P |
| 19:21.14 | Veyka | Just grab the i386 or amd64 disk of here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:21.22 | surf | yep I know but I would like to try a direct one |
| 19:22.34 | Veyka | Should just be able to point Unetbootin to the .iso |
| 19:22.47 | surf | i tried before but it did not work |
| 19:22.50 | rafuch0 | question .... lets say that at the momento i install debian i create i separated partition for the /mnt directory whit ..... lets say 10G of space..... then when system is fully installed ... i decide to mount a ntfs filysys that weight lets says 50G is that posible ? i mean mounting a filesystem that weights more that the mounting point? |
| 19:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | where are the squeeze install images anyway, don't see them |
| 19:22.53 | surf | so I will try the next solution |
| 19:23.08 | Veyka | CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so that's not linked from the main page right now? |
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| 19:23.37 | Veyka | Kinda is |
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| 19:24.09 | Veyka | rafuch0, er, dont bother making /mnt a diff partition |
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| 19:25.02 | rafuch0 | i am asking because i want to know what would be the best partioning shcema for servers.... |
| 19:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't you use http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz then? |
| 19:26.26 | Veyka | You could just do a / and a /home |
| 19:26.47 | Veyka | Might want to split out /var and /temp depending on the usage |
| 19:26.50 | rafuch0 | yeah but that is juts to simple Veyka what about /var |
| 19:26.58 | rafuch0 | right that is what i was thinking |
| 19:27.18 | rafuch0 | look at this schema and tellme what you think... |
| 19:27.29 | Veyka | Sure |
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| 19:28.27 | rafuch0 | http://pastebin.com/QcwY9gAc |
| 19:28.51 | Veyka | CutMeOwnThroat, his problem might be that there is no driver in the oldish kernel version that the squeeze installer uses, might have to make a custom installer |
| 19:29.23 | Veyka | Looks fine rafuch0 |
| 19:29.27 | rafuch0 | now for me that would be enoght but maybe somebady here can give a more i dot know a more obscure o pro schema or input.... |
| 19:30.40 | Veyka | Looks sane to me |
| 19:31.10 | rafuch0 | thanks Veyka ....what the community says... ? |
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| 19:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafuch0, we think you should just use / and /home :) and mount points don't need any space the directory that is the mount point is _replaced_ |
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| 19:35.11 | Veyka | splinting out /var and /tmp is a good idea on a web facing server, or so I have read |
| 19:35.26 | rafuch0 | Veyka: yes of course.... |
| 19:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | splitting out /boot can make sense on biggish disks because there are still limites on from where one can boot |
| 19:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Veyka, sure... specially if it's rented out and has multiple users... but then I assume he wouldn't ask |
| 19:36.25 | rafuch0 | "/ swap /home is juts simple is juts to desktop like.... |
| 19:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kiss |
| 19:36.42 | dpkg | i heard kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 19:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no "too simple", just "doesn't do what I need" |
| 19:37.18 | rafuch0 | that is true.... |
| 19:37.20 | Veyka | Main reason to split out /boot is to put it on ext2 for performance, and cos grub doesnt like booting from raid/LLVM2 to much |
| 19:37.48 | Veyka | Well, I think it works on LVM2 nowadays |
| 19:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a limit on from where you can boot... I thought it was gone, but it's not |
| 19:39.40 | metalfoo | It is |
| 19:39.50 | metalfoo | We're not in 1995 anymore |
| 19:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why the installer by default wants / to be only... 7GB or so? |
| 19:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I ran into it and the machine didn't boot |
| 19:40.11 | metalfoo | Come on, I have 2 TB / including /boot |
| 19:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | lucky you? |
| 19:40.34 | Veyka | Only used 3.8gig on / |
| 19:40.46 | metalfoo | No, using grub. |
| 19:40.56 | metalfoo | lilo had such problems _long_ ago |
| 19:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf do you have a 2TB / for anyway? |
| 19:41.12 | metalfoo | Why not? Disk is cheap nowadays. |
| 19:41.23 | Veyka | Splitting out /home and / is a good idea =p |
| 19:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I had such problems _not_ long ago |
| 19:41.43 | metalfoo | Don't need /home on the filer. |
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| 19:41.53 | metalfoo | Well, I do. But doesn't hold any important data |
| 19:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not as cheap as to waste 2TB on something that reasonably can have 50GB or so |
| 19:42.13 | metalfoo | Who says I'm wasting it? |
| 19:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh no separate /home? |
| 19:42.19 | metalfoo | No |
| 19:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh |
| 19:42.25 | Veyka | well / and /whereikeepmydata then :P |
| 19:42.33 | metalfoo | I do have /home on my notebook and desktop |
| 19:42.48 | metalfoo | On servers I do usually / and /var |
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| 19:45.41 | cafaro__ | Hi, I'm trying to get direct rendering to work on Lenny with radeon, I installed the firmware-nonfree pkg and updated xorg.conf accordingly, the only error in xorg.log is: (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed, any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 19:47.40 | Veyka | cafaro_, followed this page http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo? |
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| 19:49.16 | cafaro__ | Veyka: yes I did |
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| 19:50.20 | Veyka | so libgl1-mesa-dri is installed, and your device section in xorg.conf is correct? |
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| 19:51.52 | miasma | i wonder what's broken on my debian system. on a vanilla debian testing installation the non-kde/gnome desktops with no customizable mime bindings the associations for .ps and .pdf files are totally unusable. gimp seems to open all .pdfs and oowriter all .ps files as plain text |
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| 19:53.03 | miasma | e.g. when using the chromium browser a new user doesn't have much choice without hand editing some cryptic configuration files. the system has 5 pdf/ps viewers, but it seems to prioritize gimp over all those |
| 19:53.49 | miasma | and the mime bindings in kde4 apps don't seem to propagate to gtk+ applications |
| 19:54.23 | cafaro__ | Veyka: yes mesa is installed, and xorg.conf has Driver "radeon" in the Device section.. |
| 19:55.47 | Veyka | cafaro_, can you pastebin the whole xorg log, and what is your gpu? |
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| 19:57.23 | botmind | Anyone familiar with setting up Nvidia card to work as AGP ? |
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| 19:58.16 | quitte | botmind: the proprietary drivers take care of agp iirc. no need to set up agp yourself |
| 19:58.26 | botmind | No matter what suggestions I try, with "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status" I'm always getting just nothing! Not even Status: Disabled or Enabled as everyone else does |
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| 19:58.48 | quitte | botmind: do you even have an agp card? |
| 19:59.28 | botmind | The issue is that also under nvidia-settings in KDE unde bus type it shows PCI! |
| 19:59.59 | quitte | botmind: are you sure it's not pci-e? agp is rather outdated by now. |
| 20:00.02 | cafaro__ | Veyka: Mobility HD 3650, http://pastebin.com/BGhL92iZ |
| 20:00.18 | botmind | quitte: Yes!!! I have the integrated one and the AGP Nvidia Gefore MX 440 inserted into the red AGP slot! |
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| 20:00.48 | miasma | botmind: have you enabled the AGP card from the bios? what does lspci show |
| 20:00.57 | quitte | ok. mx 440 is very convincing. |
| 20:01.16 | miasma | botmind: additionally, have you connected the monitor to the agp card's connector? |
| 20:01.34 | botmind | quitte: oh really? I thought agp is more modern.. well it's agp for sure "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card" gives AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x |
| 20:02.04 | botmind | miasma: of course! |
| 20:02.47 | botmind | the little story is this: I've burned a fresh Lenny and installed having the monitor connected to AGP, after the successful Debian install, I've gotten kernel panic |
| 20:04.19 | quitte | botmind: what kind of gpu is onboard? |
| 20:04.33 | Veyka | cafaro_, (==) RADEON(0): No acceleration support available on R600 yet. |
| 20:04.35 | miasma | apparently no one has hit the problem with mime stuff. i'm just wondering whether there's a global way to change mime priorities in a way that doesn't conflict with packages' configuration files / apt |
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| 20:05.05 | botmind | after switching in Bios for Internal VGA preference and of course re-plugging the monitor cable, I've succeed to boot into KDE, installed all proprietary Nvidia dirvers, and also had to "echo 'blacklist intel_agp > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" to finally disable kernel panic and start using the Nvidia card |
| 20:05.18 | Veyka | cafaro_, the "radeon" driver in lenny is to old im afraid |
| 20:05.28 | quitte | miasma: update-alternatives chooses the default programs in debian. that not exactly changing the mime-type, though |
| 20:05.39 | botmind | quitte: cpu? Celeron 2.4Ghz |
| 20:05.58 | quitte | botmind: no, onboard graphics. |
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| 20:06.28 | Veyka | afk |
| 20:06.30 | quitte | botmind: did you install the nvidia-legacy drivers? |
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| 20:06.55 | botmind | so now the agp card works but in Nvidia settings shows as PCI and "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status" gives just nothing! |
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| 20:07.37 | botmind | quitte: from lspci, onboard is Display controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
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| 20:08.58 | botmind | quitte: hm.. I've installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings and all those needed to build the kernel module by Nvidia's script |
| 20:09.15 | miasma | quitte: thanks, but it didn't have any choices for pdf/ps viewers |
| 20:09.24 | quitte | botmind: you need -legacy. you probably aren't using nvidia drivers, then |
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| 20:10.18 | botmind | quitte: hmm so just aptitude install nvidia-legacy ? |
| 20:10.20 | miasma | quitte: i just find this a bit odd. why does a debian system open postscript files with oowriter which doesn't have any clue about those files (the file is shown in raw binary form) |
| 20:12.15 | miasma | seems to be annoyance on other distros, as well https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=58120 |
| 20:12.26 | alcoheca | hi - I'm bootstrapping emdebian grip for i386 on an amd64 machine. when I chroot, everything there is in 32bit context right? ie make-kpkg will make 32bit packages of my kernel |
| 20:13.12 | botmind | quitte: I've installed this script NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.18-pkg1.run which I downloaded from nvidia.com website after choosing my video card |
| 20:13.20 | botmind | if it's that what you meant |
| 20:13.37 | quitte | alcoheca: #emdebian on oftc is the more appropriate channel. but the anwer to your question is most likely yes. |
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| 20:13.59 | quitte | botmind: why? what's wrong with the debian packages in non-free? |
| 20:14.12 | not_david | im trying to set chromium to _not_ use rc4 for ssl. but instead use camellia, aes etc. the chromium cert management page is not very helpful |
| 20:14.26 | quitte | botmind: please use the debian legacy packages |
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| 20:14.56 | not_david | any tips on getting this thing to default to stronger encryption would be most welcome. |
| 20:15.11 | kleanchap | I am using GUI to install Debian. I have created the partitions with the exception of swap space. How do I set a partition to swap space? |
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| 20:15.27 | botmind | quitte: hmmm well in every place I've read about this it's been told to install only nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings from debian repo and the actual driver from nvidia site |
| 20:15.43 | monkey_d_luffy | Is there a way to run the configuration program that is executed during install? I have debootstrapped a system but some things are not configured properly (network, keyboad, console) |
| 20:15.50 | alcoheca | thanks quitte |
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| 20:16.11 | Diddi | Hi! I'm looking into getting l2tpv3 working on a debian. I'm trying to sen VLANs over an ipsec tunnel.. any ideas where to start? |
| 20:16.24 | wash | Is there any difference between unstable and sid? (e.g. is sid always the name of unstable release?) |
| 20:16.40 | quitte | botmind: for legacy drivers? those are old. did they give any reason to pick drivers from nvidia? |
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| 20:16.50 | botmind | quitte: this seems like something fresh new to try |
| 20:16.50 | Diddi | wash: it's the current unstable, it will change. |
| 20:17.09 | quitte | no. sid will always be still in development |
| 20:17.14 | botmind | quitte: well it was said that it's all well know by default.. |
| 20:17.48 | wash | Diddi: thanks |
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| 20:18.00 | monkey_d_luffy | Diddi: sid is the exception. It will always be unstable (remember the Toy Story character) |
| 20:18.59 | wash | Ah. |
| 20:19.01 | wash | thanks |
| 20:19.21 | Diddi | monkey_d_luffy: the exception that makes the rule, interesting.. didn't know |
| 20:19.22 | Diddi | :P |
| 20:19.30 | coolguy4 | I want to install flashplugin-nonfree but it seems it is only in sid. How can I get aptitude to download only this one package from sid? |
| 20:19.40 | wash | security.debian.org doesn't have a sid/unstable repository, right? |
| 20:20.06 | monkey_d_luffy | wash: AFAIK know yes, because packages change often there |
| 20:20.18 | monkey_d_luffy | s/know// |
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| 20:21.31 | botmind | quitte: just found another howto.. last updated by Jan this year: "Step 0: Cleaning up the mess from nvidia's installer (if you used it first):".. so seems like you're pretty right about the debian legacy drivers... thx, will be trying now |
| 20:21.32 | wash | I have a local mirror and I use sid. Should I use testing from security.debian.org? |
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| 20:21.44 | monkey_d_luffy | coolguy4: you have two options: (1) apt-get install -t unstable flashplugin-nonfree (I think it's -t) but you need to have unstable in your sources.list or (2) go to packages.debian.org download the package and then dpkg -i *.denb |
| 20:21.57 | wash | or is that pointless? |
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| 20:22.59 | monkey_d_luffy | wash: it's not pointless, because there are times when packages in testing and unstable are the same version. And it won't hurt to have the security from stable as well |
| 20:23.00 | coolguy4 | monkey_d_luffy, the first option would be better, right? because if I install from the downloaded package, it's not going to go into the database properly, or is it just the same? |
| 20:23.26 | kleanchap | Any advice for which Window Manager works well on Debian? |
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| 20:24.02 | xand | kleanchap: plenty work equally well. |
| 20:24.10 | xand | not really distro dependent... |
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| 20:24.16 | not_david | xand: some are more equal than others |
| 20:24.18 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 20:24.19 | wash | monkey_d_luffy: thank you :) |
| 20:24.37 | monkey_d_luffy | coolguy4: the (2) is better, because you don't have to update your sources.list and it will mess up your upgrades unless you edit apt.conf (I think) and choose the default release for apt-get/aptitude to download packages from. It will go to the database because it's a deb file, it will just show as obsolete, but that is no problem at all. |
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| 20:24.51 | wuffi600 | is there a tool to generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf? (like xf86setup in former times) |
| 20:24.57 | coolguy4 | monkey_d_luffy, ok, that sounds great |
| 20:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | wuffi600, X -configure |
| 20:25.27 | wuffi600 | oh, sounds easy... let me try |
| 20:25.36 | not_david | kleanchap: it really depends on the performance or features you want |
| 20:26.39 | kleanchap | not_david, I like least memory usage but should support the main gui apps like office, browsers etc. |
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| 20:27.56 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I remember you helping me in the past (catchy nickname what can I say :) so maybe you know this... is there a way to run the configuration program that is executed during install? I have debootstrapped a system but some things are not configured properly (network, keyboad, console) |
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| 20:28.54 | coolguy4 | monkey_d_luffy, cool... it worked great |
| 20:29.11 | monkey_d_luffy | coolguy4: cool :) |
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| 20:30.39 | not_david | kleanchap: i use openbox and awesome. dwm or fluxbox aint' half bad either. but there are a ton of them. just search around ad have a look at each. |
| 20:30.48 | not_david | and* |
| 20:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, tasksel? |
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| 20:32.22 | kleanchap | How do I change the time zone information from American to European time zone? |
| 20:32.41 | homie | by traveling across the oceans |
| 20:32.47 | homie | löl |
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| 20:33.53 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: no, that didn't work :( |
| 20:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that lets you select things like the "desktop" task |
| 20:34.27 | homie | kleanchap: tried zic ? |
| 20:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | the program you mean is called debian-installer and there is no simple way to run it from an existing system |
| 20:35.06 | homie | kleanchap: or linking /etc/timezone to some in /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 20:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that I know of |
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| 20:35.22 | kleanchap | homie, not yet. I will try that. |
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| 20:35.47 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I listed the tasks and selected the "test" then choosed manual package selection (because I don't want to install unneeded stuff), but then the program just exist normally... no configuration |
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| 20:36.19 | monkey_d_luffy | oh that was it, debian-installer |
| 20:36.36 | monkey_d_luffy | that sucks, because for a debootstrapped system it would really help |
| 20:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it starts installing if I run tasksel as root |
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| 20:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really... writing a simple /etc/network/interfaces is not hard |
| 20:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what else does it do... |
| 20:38.30 | _stefanos_ | guys, i have mounted an iso image to /mnt and after i unmount it, it appears as a removal drive in Computer. why's that? |
| 20:39.00 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but if you choose manual package selection... it's the only step, then it just exits... it doesn't ask for configuration of locales, clock, etc |
| 20:39.24 | homie | _stefanos_: what do you mean with removal drive, do you mean removable drive icon from gnome or so ? |
| 20:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, that just calls aptitude in which you can select packages |
| 20:39.44 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: the thing is that I'm having console/keyboard problems as well. So I was thinking if I could it to run, it would probably fix all the problems and configure the other missing things |
| 20:39.51 | _stefanos_ | homie: yeah |
| 20:40.01 | homie | _stefanos_: it's probably hal's |
| 20:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, /msg dpkg timezone /msg dpkg locales |
| 20:40.17 | homie | _stefanos_: maybe reload it or restart |
| 20:40.20 | _stefanos_ | is it bug you mean? |
| 20:40.31 | _stefanos_ | yeah i thought it would be something like this |
| 20:40.42 | wuffi600 | CutMeOwnThroat: thank a lot |
| 20:40.43 | homie | _stefanos_: not really, maybe just not configured properly |
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| 20:41.12 | homie | _stefanos_: i have problems too with one of my sticks, not getting polled again, after virtualbox releases it |
| 20:41.18 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I got locales working. Will look into timezone after I fix the console/font problem |
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| 20:41.50 | _stefanos_ | homie, i think it's something with nautilus |
| 20:42.14 | homie | _stefanos_: i have to pull it out and then put it in again, in order for udev to recognize it again, yes there are some things which don't work the way they should, or maybe we forgot to configure something... |
| 20:42.27 | _stefanos_ | i ran lsof | grep GAS and gave me four identical IDs for nautilus |
| 20:43.26 | preller | is it possible to reinstall a package withouth losing/overwriting its config files? |
| 20:43.35 | preller | i want to reinstall openssh |
| 20:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, call up the factoids, it's a 2-minute thing |
| 20:43.57 | _stefanos_ | preller, backup your config files and do it |
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| 20:44.14 | preller | _stefanos_: how? :D |
| 20:44.18 | BasiumDeJudas | hello |
| 20:44.29 | preller | just apt-get install package? |
| 20:44.56 | BasiumDeJudas | which should i use dpkg or aptitude to things? |
| 20:45.01 | _stefanos_ | preller, locate your config files and copy them somewhere where you can easily find them and then re-install it with aptitude or apt-get |
| 20:45.26 | _stefanos_ | BasiumDeJudas it depends of what exactly you want to do |
| 20:45.39 | homie | preller: you can use -o APT::DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss --force-confold" for that |
| 20:45.48 | BasiumDeJudas | i knew that was goign to be the answer arrggg. |
| 20:45.49 | BasiumDeJudas | ;) |
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| 20:46.32 | kleanchap | For Debain system maintainence, which tool is used? In the past it was apt-get. |
| 20:46.33 | _stefanos_ | dpkg let you download a deb file and install it yourself |
| 20:46.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, _stefanos_ |
| 20:47.12 | BasiumDeJudas | _stefanos_, ok say i want to remove a package i installed completely orphans and all. |
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| 20:47.15 | BasiumDeJudas | ah ha |
| 20:47.21 | homie | or maybe even -o APT::Fix-Broken="true" APT::Fix-Missing="true" too, in addition to the above |
| 20:47.35 | _stefanos_ | you may use aptitude |
| 20:47.48 | _stefanos_ | it's safer according to Debian Developers |
| 20:47.55 | homie | err APT::Get::Fix-Broken="true" etc.... |
| 20:48.03 | _stefanos_ | don't ask me why, Debian wiki is there for you |
| 20:48.16 | BasiumDeJudas | but at times i find things left over from the packages when i do the purge remove ... |
| 20:48.47 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: factoids? what do you mean by that? |
| 20:49.06 | BasiumDeJudas | I just came across dpkg when i wanted to see where something was from obsolete files or something like that... (dpkg -s packagename). |
| 20:49.17 | _stefanos_ | BasiumDeJudas: open your terminal and run "aptitude" and let it guide you ;) |
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| 20:49.57 | homie | the leftovers have to do with /var/lib/dpkg/info/pre-, post- install scripts i think |
| 20:50.19 | BasiumDeJudas | yes i like aptitude and i use it as oftened as possible i just wanted to make sure dpkg was something i should be using instead heheh. |
| 20:50.24 | kleanchap | _stefanos_, Does aptitude do dependency checks and install the dependent files too? |
| 20:50.32 | _stefanos_ | always |
| 20:50.36 | BasiumDeJudas | should't* |
| 20:50.48 | BasiumDeJudas | shouldn't* |
| 20:50.51 | _stefanos_ | aptitude is the Text User Interface version of Synaptic |
| 20:50.56 | not_david | how can stop or remove certain ciphers from being used all together? |
| 20:51.42 | homie | not_david: you have two options, either you use packages or the kernel modules for them |
| 20:51.42 | BasiumDeJudas | one more question _stefanos_ (autoremove or autoclean) when removing orphans? |
| 20:51.57 | homie | not_david: either you purge those packages or disable the modules |
| 20:52.41 | _stefanos_ | BasiumDeJudas, after you finish everything just run "aptitude autoclean" and that would do |
| 20:52.50 | not_david | homie: i just dont want the machine to have the ability to use rc4 as a cipher |
| 20:52.53 | BasiumDeJudas | thanks a bunch. |
| 20:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | BasiumDeJudas, dpkg is the low-level program that unpacks the .deb and installs it, aptitude/apt-get take care of downloading and the dependencies |
| 20:53.13 | _stefanos_ | but i don't do that because sometimes it saves time rather than re-downloading a package that has been downloaded once |
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| 20:53.34 | surf | guys it doesn't work with both methods... |
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| 20:54.09 | BasiumDeJudas | CutMeOwnThroat, ok... |
| 20:54.11 | surf | either with the netinstall using netbootin nor with the traditional image on usb using unetbootin |
| 20:54.16 | BasiumDeJudas | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. |
| 20:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so aptitude usually calls dpkg for you |
| 20:56.05 | BasiumDeJudas | aaaaah! ok. |
| 20:56.25 | BasiumDeJudas | this linux stuff sure is tricky when learning about it ;) |
| 20:57.02 | _stefanos_ | trust me...as soon as you cover the necessary things with GNU / Linux, there is no way you get back to Windows! |
| 20:57.19 | BasiumDeJudas | nope i know. |
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| 21:00.07 | BasiumDeJudas | apt-get or aptitude? |
| 21:00.28 | Tux^verdreifelt | aptitude. |
| 21:00.30 | Tux^verdreifelt | :> |
| 21:00.47 | BasiumDeJudas | i use aptitude hehe ... |
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| 21:01.08 | wuffi600 | CutMeOwnThroat: xorg.conf uses device vesa. My Hardware is radeon 4350. how can i use radeonhd? |
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| 21:01.52 | BuggerMe | I have managed to kill my lenny server doing an upgrade and now the libc files are corrupt. Have am now at a shell on the server. How can I install/reinstall base from the shell without using apt-get as this oviosly doesn't work now. |
| 21:01.59 | wuffi600 | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a special way to configure automatically to a certain driver instead of just to vesa? |
| 21:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wuffi600, perhaps you don't have the kernel module? look at the factoid with /msg dpkg radeonhd |
| 21:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no... edit xorg.conf - but in priciple it should autodetect |
| 21:03.56 | Veyka | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 21:04.27 | Veyka | just sub radeonhd over radeon into the example device section |
| 21:04.57 | Veyka | As it says |
| 21:04.59 | qq- | wuffi600 is gone .. |
| 21:05.23 | Veyka | I need to l2r |
| 21:05.23 | Veyka | =p |
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| 21:05.53 | BuggerMe | I will rephrase my question. How can I do a non-destructive reinstall of lenny. I don't want to loss any of my data/ |
| 21:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's where nick-completion is really helpful |
| 21:06.29 | Veyka | BuggerMe, w-get libc from the debian website, then dpkg -i it |
| 21:06.48 | BuggerMe | ty. to simple for me to think of. |
| 21:07.22 | kleanchap | How do you install vmware tools in Debian? |
| 21:07.38 | qq- | !vmware |
| 21:07.39 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:08.23 | Veyka | Nifty |
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| 21:09.57 | kingsley | Is my guess correct that when exim4 is used as a so-called "smart host" to relay emails, it can reveal the *originating* IP address to the receiving mail server? For what it's worth, an email bounced from the receiving email server contained no header with the originating IP address. |
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| 21:11.01 | kleanchap | How do I configure aptitude to go to network to find packages instead of the CDROM? |
| 21:11.25 | kleanchap | I am trying to install gcc and keep getting the CDROM error message. |
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| 21:11.34 | BuggerMe | can someone confirm if www.debian.org is up/down for me. Not sure if it is a problem at my end. |
| 21:11.51 | Veyka | kleanchap, check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:12.04 | Veyka | BuggerMe, debian.org is up for me |
| 21:12.05 | deepy | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian.org |
| 21:12.06 | kleanchap | Veyka, Thnx |
| 21:12.09 | BuggerMe | ty |
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| 21:12.28 | Veyka | kleanchap, commend "#" out the cdrom lines at the top =] |
| 21:12.31 | qq- | kleanchap, /msg dpkg mirror |
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| 21:12.36 | Veyka | np |
| 21:14.02 | kooler | i am trying to boot my computer using a live cd - it sits at 'Loading /live/vmlinuz.' for a while - is this normal? |
| 21:14.49 | kooler | it is the very first line it prints out btw |
| 21:15.17 | qq- | which live cd ? |
| 21:16.43 | kooler | the gnome one |
| 21:16.56 | kooler | downloaded from bt |
| 21:17.06 | kooler | 506 i386 |
| 21:17.39 | kooler | is that the right one for a pentium dual-core? |
| 21:17.54 | Veyka | How much ram do you have? |
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| 21:18.27 | kooler | not sure it is a laptop - 512mb - 1g |
| 21:18.42 | Veyka | Should be fine with i386 then |
| 21:19.12 | kleanchap | How do I install the kernel source and headers for the vmware tools to work? |
| 21:19.17 | Veyka | Have you checksum'ed the ISO to make sure its not corrupt? |
| 21:19.26 | kooler | no |
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| 21:20.08 | kooler | how do I do that? |
| 21:20.27 | Veyka | kleanchap, i386 or amd64? |
| 21:20.41 | kleanchap | i386 |
| 21:20.46 | qq- | kleanchap, uname -r ? |
| 21:20.59 | Veyka | kooler, where did you download it from? |
| 21:21.11 | Veyka | install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 21:21.32 | Veyka | Well, yeh, what is the output of uname -r |
| 21:21.38 | Veyka | might be using the PAE one :P |
| 21:22.06 | kleanchap | qq-, Would that be 'aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:22.18 | kooler | Veyka: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:22.59 | qq- | kleanchap, seems ok |
| 21:23.13 | kleanchap | it's working. |
| 21:24.09 | kooler | i get the same thing in fail safe also |
| 21:24.16 | Veyka | kooler, man md5sum |
| 21:24.38 | Veyka | you can get the md5sum's from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:25.36 | Veyka | or info md5sum |
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| 21:29.23 | eAndrius | does anyone here have an invite to the bitme.org? :} |
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| 21:32.07 | coolguy4 | in Squeeze (and I had the same problem in Lenny) sometimes Iceweasel will freeze up for a couple of seconds... I'm sorry that's not more specific, but I wonder if anybody has encountered anything similar? |
| 21:32.19 | deepy | yes |
| 21:32.30 | coolguy4 | do you know the cause? |
| 21:32.39 | deepy | nope |
| 21:32.48 | coolguy4 | heh |
| 21:32.48 | deepy | I have it with iceape too |
| 21:32.54 | coolguy4 | it's kind of annoying |
| 21:33.00 | coolguy4 | cache related? |
| 21:33.03 | deepy | and sometimes alt-tabbing to any window takes a few seconds |
| 21:33.31 | coolguy4 | hmm I don't think I have that |
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| 21:34.13 | coolguy4 | but just then... I was scrolling iceweasel using my mousewheel and it just froze for about 2 seconds.... I could switch to other programs while it was frozen and they responded fine... |
| 21:34.52 | kleanchap | Is there a GUI frontend for aptitude? |
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| 21:43.28 | stew | kleanchap: yes, aptitude-gtk |
| 21:43.40 | stew | kleanchap: not yet in stable, thoguh |
| 21:43.59 | kleanchap | stew, thnx |
| 21:44.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is there any GUI tool for remastering Debian Testing with customizations like custom repositories to create an Installable Live CD? |
| 21:44.51 | stew | i doubt it |
| 21:45.00 | Nashenas | is there a way to search the tags of packages with apt-cache? |
| 21:45.07 | stew | because of your gui requirement, otherwise there is live-tolls/live-build |
| 21:45.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stew : how is remastersys / reconstructor ? |
| 21:45.28 | stew | never heard of them |
| 21:45.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 21:45.58 | stew | Nashenas: no, there is ept-cache or axi-cache |
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| 21:49.34 | Nashenas | stew: how do I use ept-cache to search tags? |
| 21:51.01 | Nashenas | stew: nevermind, I had a typo. thanks |
| 21:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nashenas, aptitude ~Gtagtext |
| 21:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I just found bug 532080 |
| 21:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant aptitude search ~Gtagtext |
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| 21:52.43 | kleanchap | Is there anyway to install google's chrome using aptitude? |
| 21:52.48 | Nashenas | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 21:53.20 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1; squeeze: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1; experimental: 7.0.544.0~r61416-1 |
| 21:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, from squeeze on |
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| 21:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | kleanchap, ^^^ |
| 21:55.57 | kleanchap | CutMeOwnThroat, thnx |
| 21:56.02 | waremperor | hi |
| 21:56.07 | icebrain | !greet waremperor |
| 21:56.07 | dpkg | G'day, waremperor |
| 21:56.33 | waremperor | contrib and non-free repositories, should I add them to lenny/update or only on main ? |
| 21:56.34 | qq- | what's the command for "why <packname> is not in squeeze" ? |
| 21:56.48 | waremperor | s/main/lenny |
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| 21:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is qq- not in testing |
| 21:58.09 | dpkg | qq- is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=qq- |
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| 22:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | waremperor, I guess you mean deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:00.27 | waremperor | yep |
| 22:00.45 | qq- | CutMeOwnThroat, tks |
| 22:00.45 | waremperor | Do I need it ? |
| 22:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you want security updates? |
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| 22:01.18 | waremperor | My question was if it's available :) |
| 22:01.26 | waremperor | so it is I think ;) |
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| 22:01.28 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is... this is from my sources.list |
| 22:01.34 | lenswipe | synaptic is broked |
| 22:01.36 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 22:01.41 | waremperor | thanks :) |
| 22:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | god probably... |
| 22:01.53 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:02.05 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/iTcWzLdT |
| 22:02.10 | lenswipe | can someone take a look at that? |
| 22:02.13 | lenswipe | im not sure how to fix it |
| 22:02.17 | fugdnscerd | hi i got an old server running etch and I am trying to update to lenny... I am trying to make sure etch is as up to date as possible before proceeding but it seems the repositories I was previously using are unavailable! Can any one point me to a working apt repository for etch so i can upgrade to lenny? |
| 22:02.37 | Veyka | See topic |
| 22:02.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell fugdnscerd about etch->lenny |
| 22:02.49 | lenswipe | i cant remove or install anything |
| 22:02.53 | lenswipe | anyone got any suggestions? |
| 22:02.56 | lenswipe | this is kinda important |
| 22:03.02 | Veyka | Look at the topic :( |
| 22:03.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | fugdnscerd, so your next step is to /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 22:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 22:04.02 | fugdnscerd | ahh sorry i read the topic but i am a little uneducated about the autobot side of irc.. Thank you for the help i got it now |
| 22:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Veyka, what's that topic thing you're talking about anyway |
| 22:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:04.55 | Veyka | Topic, TOPIC, back im my day we never read topics, we just hammered our faces into our monitors until the answer was spelled out in the droll! |
| 22:05.13 | Veyka | Dam wippersnappers |
| 22:05.17 | Veyka | And there fancy topics |
| 22:05.39 | lenswipe | guys i fixed it |
| 22:05.48 | Veyka | Goodo |
| 22:05.51 | lenswipe | how do i completely remove all traces of a package |
| 22:06.09 | Veyka | # aptitude purge packagegoeshere |
| 22:06.13 | lenswipe | completely wipe it from existance on the box leaving no directories, no old configs nothing |
| 22:06.16 | lenswipe | Veyka, thanks |
| 22:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dipping the harddisk into sulfuric acid is _my_ favourite for that |
| 22:06.27 | Veyka | Wont touch any .files in $home |
| 22:06.33 | Veyka | So get rid of them yourself |
| 22:06.46 | Veyka | Nuke it from orbit, yada yada yah |
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| 22:07.15 | kleanchap | How do I install a .deb package on Debian? |
| 22:07.26 | Veyka | dpkg -i pkggoeshere.deb |
| 22:07.26 | dpkg | package pkggoeshere.deb is already installed |
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| 22:07.44 | kleanchap | Veyka, thnx |
| 22:07.45 | Veyka | or should i say # dpkg -i pkggoeshere.deb |
| 22:07.51 | Veyka | np |
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| 22:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Veyka, you have to admit that I didn't have to add qualifiers like yours on $HOME to my solution... |
| 22:10.56 | Xanbreon | Very true |
| 22:11.31 | Xanbreon | One might have a hard time using the aforementioned HDD afterwards though ;) |
| 22:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and he didn't even add about reading remaining magnetization and data-segments that aren't erased! |
| 22:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xanbreon, that was not part of the question, but "every trace" was |
| 22:12.29 | Xanbreon | Oooer, Ill add that to my assumptions list, no trace really means no trace ;) |
| 22:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm -rf -but-I-want-to-be-able-to-undelete-the-files-afterwards $HOME |
| 22:14.12 | Xanbreon | I like your style, that command is both short and to the point |
| 22:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm -wash-me-but-dont-make-me-wet |
| 22:15.43 | tomodachi | is there a tool wich is the reverse of diff? |
| 22:15.52 | tomodachi | basically i want to se stuff wich is the same between 2config files |
| 22:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | patch |
| 22:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 22:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | tomodachi, load in emacs/xemacs "compare two buffers", look at not highlighted stuff? |
| 22:17.23 | tomodachi | CutMeOwnThroat: i was more into some commandline tool like diff , but i guess emacs is an viable alternative |
| 22:17.28 | tomodachi | thnx for your suggestion |
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| 22:19.31 | Xanbreon | rm -world-peace |
| 22:19.58 | xand | No such file or directory |
| 22:20.14 | xand | or rather -w: invalid option ;p |
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| 22:20.27 | Xanbreon | :O |
| 22:20.32 | Xanbreon | We are doomed |
| 22:20.55 | Xanbreon | *--world-peace |
| 22:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what the world-peace option was supposed to do anyway |
| 22:20.57 | Xanbreon | typo! |
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| 22:21.20 | deepy | is that a rm * = world peace? |
| 22:21.42 | Xanbreon | careful, you might rm the world |
| 22:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the peace |
| 22:22.25 | Xanbreon | Might be awkward |
| 22:22.34 | Xanbreon | Lots of questions asked |
| 22:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | by whom |
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| 22:23.10 | Xanbreon | Well, no one I suppose, as they would all be gone |
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| 22:30.39 | lenswipe | guys ldap aint workin for me |
| 22:30.58 | lenswipe | first off its not creating the intial directory secondly its not installing any kind of ldap.conf |
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| 22:32.21 | lenswipe | guys? |
| 22:33.34 | qq- | libldap-2.4-2: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf |
| 22:35.39 | lenswipe | qq-, ... |
| 22:35.47 | lenswipe | qq-, i know where ldap.conf is, it just isnt creating it |
| 22:35.52 | lenswipe | or rather |
| 22:35.53 | lenswipe | its not there |
| 22:35.55 | stew | lenswipe: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 22:36.02 | qq- | !as |
| 22:36.02 | dpkg | i guess as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
| 22:36.09 | lenswipe | stew, the initial ldap directory is also missing |
| 22:36.21 | lenswipe | which is sort of a problem because the ldap manager cant login |
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| 22:40.28 | lenswipe | qq-, any ideas? |
| 22:40.31 | lenswipe | stew, how about you |
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| 22:43.36 | qq- | !openldap |
| 22:43.37 | dpkg | OpenLDAP is an open source implementation of <LDAP>. The OpenLDAP server is packaged for Debian in the slapd package. Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.openldap.org/faq/ . http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup http://www.openldap.org/ #openldap on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:46.31 | stew | lenswipe: my idea didn't work? |
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| 22:47.48 | stew | lenswipe: it should at least get you an ldap.conf |
| 22:48.38 | lenswipe | stew, ill try it, but i feel that might just be treating the symptoms |
| 22:49.23 | stew | lenswipe: yes, it is. you want to figure out who deleted your ldap.conf instead? |
| 22:50.03 | lenswipe | stew, no i did that to try and refresh slapd |
| 22:50.22 | stew | lenswipe: oh, then nevermind. don't do that if you actually don't want an ldap.conf |
| 22:50.53 | lenswipe | stew, i did it because it wasnt creating an initial directory, i thought purging and then zapping the config files would help give me a fresh start |
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| 22:50.58 | lenswipe | i didnt install openldap intitally |
| 22:51.05 | lenswipe | another admin did and it wasnt workings |
| 22:51.11 | lenswipe | so i think he gave it some weird settings |
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| 22:51.24 | lenswipe | either way, its not creating an initial directory - any ideas? |
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| 22:52.51 | lenswipe | stew, and after that command ldap.conf is *STILL* missing |
| 22:52.52 | lenswipe | O_O |
| 22:53.05 | stew | lenswipe: then you reinstalled the wrong package |
| 22:53.28 | stew | lenswipe: "grep ldap.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles" to see which package you'd reinstall to restore it |
| 22:53.35 | lenswipe | sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install slapd |
| 22:53.43 | lenswipe | correct me if im wrong but that would do a fresh install of slapd wouldnt it? |
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| 22:55.04 | starenka_ | hi, i allways used stable, but switched to testing latetly. what should a testing user use once testing is frozen to become stable? i don't feel like using sid for my dev machine... |
| 22:55.13 | stew | lenswipe: that would reinstall the files which aren't conffiles from that package, but not from other ldap packages. if there are conffiles which are missing they will be replaced. if they exist, they won't be replaced |
| 22:55.40 | stew | lenswipe: it wouldn't, for instance, replace the files or conffiles in the libldap-* package |
| 22:56.18 | lenswipe | f*** me |
| 22:56.29 | lenswipe | why cant re-installing a package restore the default conf files |
| 22:56.35 | stew | lenswipe: it can' |
| 22:56.37 | lenswipe | stew, how do i do a complete fresh install of openldap |
| 22:56.38 | stew | can* |
| 22:56.41 | lenswipe | clear everyting out |
| 22:56.46 | lenswipe | and purge does *NOT* work |
| 22:56.49 | starenka_ | lenswipe: dpkg-reconfigure package? |
| 22:56.52 | stew | starenka_: testing (currently squeeze) is frozen. If you want to stay with squeeze when it is released, make sure you are using "squeeze" in sources.list instead of "testing" |
| 22:57.04 | stew | lenswipe: use confnew instead of confmiss if you want to replace all configfiles |
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| 22:57.19 | lenswipe | starenka_, tried it |
| 22:57.21 | starenka_ | stew: so i just change squeeze for testing? |
| 22:57.52 | Xanbreon | starenka_, not much will change until squeeze is out, but yes |
| 22:57.53 | lenswipe | stew, okay so apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install slapd |
| 22:57.54 | stew | starenka_: use "sqeeze" if you want to stay with squeeze and "testing" if you want to stay with testing |
| 22:58.03 | lenswipe | that will re-install slapd asif it had never been installed before? |
| 22:58.08 | lenswipe | i want to start completely over |
| 22:58.38 | starenka_ | stew: thx.. |
| 22:58.53 | starenka_ | lenswipe: oh, well it never failed on me |
| 22:59.45 | lenswipe | starenka_, well im getting an authentication error when i try and connect, ldap.conf is STILL FUCKING MISSING |
| 22:59.46 | lenswipe | AGHHHH! |
| 22:59.51 | lenswipe | ldap is doing my head in >:{ |
| 23:00.15 | stew | lenswipe: did you check which package declares ldap.conf as a conffile? |
| 23:00.38 | lenswipe | stew, no, |
| 23:00.44 | lenswipe | i would assume it to be slapd |
| 23:00.47 | stew | ok |
| 23:00.52 | project2501a | lenswipe: welcome to ldap |
| 23:01.06 | lenswipe | project2501a, dont start with me, im not in the mood |
| 23:01.24 | project2501a | #unnecessarycomplicated |
| 23:01.26 | lenswipe | project2501a, anyway shouldnt it be welcome to debian? |
| 23:01.38 | lenswipe | ive had more shit from debian than i care to mention |
| 23:01.44 | project2501a | nah. debian is not a headache |
| 23:01.52 | lenswipe | project2501a, lets agree to disagree |
| 23:02.04 | project2501a | unless you have run ubuntu before or something |
| 23:02.08 | project2501a | alright. |
| 23:02.14 | lenswipe | project2501a, ive run a centos box before |
| 23:02.21 | lenswipe | and i deem debian to be a bigger headache |
| 23:02.27 | lenswipe | stew, any ideas |
| 23:02.28 | icebrain | Debian is like democracy, it's the worst, except for all the others :) |
| 23:02.33 | project2501a | lol |
| 23:02.49 | project2501a | icebrain: unless you drink from Canonical's koolaid |
| 23:02.55 | lenswipe | lol |
| 23:03.05 | lenswipe | rubs his hands |
| 23:03.06 | lenswipe | now then |
| 23:03.11 | lenswipe | installing slapd |
| 23:03.14 | lenswipe | ....debian wont. |
| 23:03.32 | project2501a | is there not an ldap server in debian? |
| 23:03.33 | lenswipe | lmao that should be the name of the next release "Debian Wont" |
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| 23:03.46 | lenswipe | project2501a, yes its called slapd and debian is refusing to install it |
| 23:04.00 | project2501a | why is it refusing to install it? |
| 23:04.25 | stew | lenswipe: wait, its refusing to install now? |
| 23:04.28 | stew | lenswipe: what is the error? |
| 23:04.50 | lenswipe | stew, its slapd |
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| 23:04.56 | lenswipe | steffen--, its not refusing to install as such |
| 23:05.04 | lenswipe | stew, its just not doing anything much |
| 23:05.27 | lenswipe | stew, i cant get it to create that fscking ldap.conf |
| 23:05.33 | lenswipe | it will. not. do. it. |
| 23:06.09 | stew | lenswipe: did you grep to see which package is supposed to create a ldap.conf? |
| 23:06.16 | lenswipe | no |
| 23:06.18 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
| 23:06.40 | simonrvn | it doesn't create that file. it's not in slapd.... |
| 23:06.51 | stew | i didn't think so, but he was pretty convincd |
| 23:06.56 | simonrvn | and it's not generated, it's packaged |
| 23:06.58 | stew | 18:53 < stew> lenswipe: "grep ldap.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles" to see which package you'd reinstall to restore it |
| 23:07.12 | simonrvn | ldap-utils |
| 23:07.26 | lenswipe | simonrvn, so its ldap-utils that creates that file? |
| 23:07.41 | stew | lenswipe: why don't you just look for yourself? |
| 23:08.10 | simonrvn | actually no, my mistake |
| 23:09.01 | simonrvn | but it is packaged... |
| 23:09.04 | lenswipe | stew, that told me where the ldap conf files supposedly are |
| 23:09.04 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/d2TFa6QD |
| 23:09.12 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libldap-2.4-2.conffiles |
| 23:09.17 | lenswipe | .or mebe not |
| 23:09.18 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 23:09.29 | lenswipe | simonrvn, so i need to re-install that package then? |
| 23:09.41 | stew | lenswipe: yeah, that's why i specifically mentioned that package |
| 23:09.45 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 23:09.45 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 23:10.00 | simonrvn | you can always make one... it's not hard to make |
| 23:10.03 | lenswipe | stew, yeah so i just run sudo apt-get purge libldap-2.4-2.conffiles |
| 23:10.05 | lenswipe | and then install it again |
| 23:10.08 | lenswipe | simonrvn, hmm |
| 23:10.11 | simonrvn | uh, no |
| 23:10.15 | stew | that's not what I'd recommend |
| 23:10.15 | lenswipe | .... |
| 23:10.17 | lenswipe | okay |
| 23:10.20 | lenswipe | what do i do then? |
| 23:10.22 | lenswipe | just do another install? |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | I have a system with slapd running, there is no package that creates the ldap.conf |
| 23:10.31 | stew | lenswipe: we both keep mentioning this confmiss and confnew things |
| 23:10.49 | lenswipe | so i need to use confmiss |
| 23:10.50 | lenswipe | okay |
| 23:11.06 | abrotman | no package that claims slapd.conf as a conffile anyway |
| 23:11.09 | lenswipe | the thing is stew.....confmiss actually does nothing |
| 23:11.17 | lenswipe | as does confnew |
| 23:11.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:11.41 | lenswipe | sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install slapd |
| 23:11.43 | lenswipe | im running that |
| 23:11.51 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:11.55 | lenswipe | that should re-place my ldap.conf, correct? |
| 23:11.55 | stew | lenswipe: like i said last time, that's the wrong package |
| 23:12.01 | simonrvn | NO IT WILL NOT |
| 23:12.10 | lenswipe | .... |
| 23:12.19 | lenswipe | so sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libldap-2.4-2.conffiles |
| 23:12.23 | lenswipe | is that what i need? |
| 23:12.25 | stew | no |
| 23:12.28 | simonrvn | libldap-2.4-2 |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | okay .. again, there is no package that claims slapd.conf as a conffile in lenny |
| 23:12.29 | lenswipe | what then!?!?!? |
| 23:12.31 | stew | libldap-2.4.2 |
| 23:12.37 | lenswipe | simonrvn, you just told me not to re-install that |
| 23:12.45 | simonrvn | that *.conffiles is just a freaking file for dpkg... |
| 23:13.10 | lenswipe | so sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libldap-2.4-2 |
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| 23:13.14 | lenswipe | is that what i need to do? |
| 23:13.25 | alteregoa | hi |
| 23:13.30 | alteregoa | i got problems with guacamole |
| 23:13.59 | lenswipe | simonrvn, would that give me a new ldap.conf? |
| 23:15.11 | simonrvn | alteregoa: i do too, if it doesn't have enough lemon |
| 23:15.21 | alteregoa | nah |
| 23:15.32 | alteregoa | i think its html5 |
| 23:15.46 | alteregoa | http://guacamole.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:16.48 | lenswipe | simonrvn, to get me a new copy of ldap.conf do i run: sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libldap-2.4-2.conffiles |
| 23:17.06 | simonrvn | well, if it's not packaged, we can't support it here, try asking in ##linux |
| 23:17.37 | alteregoa | ok |
| 23:17.40 | simonrvn | lenswipe: read what you're told and suggested. i did not say that. |
| 23:18.14 | lenswipe | simonrvn, what do you mean its not packaged? |
| 23:18.19 | lenswipe | you told me it was not long ago |
| 23:18.24 | lenswipe | make your mind up |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | he wasn't talking to you |
| 23:18.43 | simonrvn | lenswipe: i'm not talking to you about the guacamole... |
| 23:19.05 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 23:19.15 | lenswipe | haha |
| 23:19.46 | Xanbreon | Nice stuff, unless you buy the really cheap supermarket stuff, then its horrid :/ |
| 23:19.47 | lenswipe | simonrvn, dammit, i meant sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libldap-2.4-2 |
| 23:19.59 | lenswipe | without the *.conffiles on the end |
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| 23:22.14 | lenswipe | simonrvn, i dididididid it :D |
| 23:24.37 | simonrvn | yes, that's better lenswipe |
| 23:24.44 | simonrvn | lenswipe> simonrvn, dammit, i meant sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libldap-2.4-2 |
| 23:25.15 | lenswipe | :p |
| 23:25.26 | lenswipe | simonrvn, another problem coming up soon unless im very much mistaken |
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| 23:32.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:32.16 | lenswipe | forgot to say |
| 23:32.21 | lenswipe | thanks for the help |
| 23:32.30 | lenswipe | its working now :) |
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| 23:33.09 | botmind | ...after I've installed the legacy drivers for my Nvidia card, it's KDE configuration page became a bit different, but still showing PCI everywhere... hovewer, the benchmark tests using glxgear tool show one of the best results of ubuntu users posting their stats with the same card.. so, is there a chance to make it significantly faster after enabling AGP? |
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| 23:46.20 | tsccof | wine should be updated to 1.2.1 |
| 23:47.22 | tsccof | 1.0.1 is buggy |
| 23:47.24 | tsccof | kthxbai |
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