| 00:00.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suggest you get it to work first, then worry about "more fancy" |
| 00:01.07 | bint | well i still dont get it to disallow all ssh-logins but the ones in AllowGroups sshrs in sshd_config |
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| 00:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, did you read the manpage? |
| 00:03.36 | bint | of sshd_config ? |
| 00:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ye |
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| 00:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | s |
| 00:03.51 | bint | i'll do it again mom |
| 00:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | from that I would think you have to first deny access for all users, then allow it for the group |
| 00:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't complain to me if you lock yourself out that way! |
| 00:05.16 | bint | thats what i'm afraid of.. |
| 00:05.39 | bint | but aslong as i'm logged into the shell nothing can happen.. |
| 00:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you need DenyUsers *, then AllowGroups whaever |
| 00:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | fails bints power |
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| 00:07.26 | bint | and where would you but it.. just to keep it clean.. at the end of sshd_config or under #Authentication |
| 00:07.37 | bint | put |
| 00:07.39 | bint | damn i'm tired |
| 00:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't... seems a rather pointless thing to do |
| 00:08.37 | bint | so you'd put it at the end |
| 00:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't put that in at all is what I'm saying |
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| 00:09.25 | bint | oh |
| 00:09.36 | bint | so how would you disallow ssh-login for a specific user |
| 00:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't actually see what it's good for |
| 00:10.20 | bint | because there are some users i just need for system services |
| 00:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno.. would probably give the user /bin/false or whatever one uses in that case as a shell |
| 00:10.35 | bint | hm ok |
| 00:10.55 | bint | if i install eggdrop or something i should create an own user for it |
| 00:11.06 | bint | and this user doesn't need to be able to login via ssh |
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| 00:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | /bin/false and /sbin/nologin are both already used in debians passwd |
| 00:12.12 | bint | so when i put bin/false i can still su eggdrop, but can't login with eggdrop via ssh |
| 00:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you can't su eggdrop, then |
| 00:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would call a shell |
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| 00:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can su -s /bin/bash eggdrop |
| 00:15.28 | bint | hmm |
| 00:15.30 | bint | http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ssh-security/ |
| 00:15.34 | bint | i dont want that anyways :P |
| 00:15.41 | bint | i'll go for the AllowUsers tomorrow |
| 00:15.46 | bint | or AllowGroups |
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| 00:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bint, actually, in that case I don't even see reason to give an invalid shell, having a passwordless account with * or ! in the shadow file would be enough |
| 00:16.51 | bint | well thats right |
| 00:17.01 | bint | but i hate when something doesn't work like i want and it should |
| 00:17.05 | bint | i'll go for it anyways |
| 00:17.13 | bint | btw. what does the ! in the shadow file do? |
| 00:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you would only want to configure sshd if you want to allow local logins, which you dont |
| 00:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! and * are characters that aren't used in the encrypted password, so it can't be matched |
| 00:17.57 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
| 00:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | shit |
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| 00:18.24 | streuner | dpkg and * |
| 00:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf, there's no is in there |
| 00:18.24 | dpkg | streuner: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:18.35 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: are... |
| 00:18.38 | bint | lol why did dpkg say okay |
| 00:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | are != is |
| 00:18.53 | streuner | i think, dpkg use are too |
| 00:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of it |
| 00:19.11 | bint | ! and |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | [and] a binary operation, when 1 is returned ONLY when both operands are true |
| 00:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, and * |
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| 00:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! and * |
| 00:19.27 | dpkg | and * are characters that aren't used in the encrypted password, so it can't be matched |
| 00:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 00:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! forget about and * |
| 00:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! forget about and * are |
| 00:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, seems it's got the space |
| 00:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! and * |
| 00:20.53 | dpkg | and * are characters that aren't used in the encrypted password, so it can't be matched |
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| 00:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, forget about " and *" |
| 00:21.19 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't have anything called 'about " and *"' to forget |
| 00:21.44 | bint | why do you want dpkg to forget bout that? |
| 00:22.05 | streuner | <dpkg> factoid author list by 'CutMeOwnThroat' (15 of 57): am i right ;; and * ;; |
| 00:22.07 | bint | ahh you told em that :D now i see |
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| 00:22.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, it's obvious I made that |
| 00:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, am I right |
| 00:23.18 | dpkg | Yes, you're right! |
| 00:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | see |
| 00:24.51 | bint | well thank you all for todays hel |
| 00:24.51 | bint | p |
| 00:24.55 | bint | and see you tomorrow |
| 00:24.56 | bint | bye |
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| 00:39.43 | dserban | any way I can revert a single config file from a package? |
| 00:40.06 | streuner | revert? |
| 00:40.17 | streuner | well, you have to make your own deb |
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| 00:41.16 | dserban | streuner: yes, I have a package that has multiple config files, looks like one of the jr admins overwrote it with the "from compiled source" default, which is wholly wrong. So I want to extract that one single config from the package that debian provides. |
| 00:41.19 | streuner | dserban: or only extract? just use dpkg |
| 00:41.27 | dserban | dpkg -x? |
| 00:41.28 | dpkg | dserban: are you using Windows? |
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| 00:41.42 | dserban | or is there a more elegant way? |
| 00:41.57 | streuner | dserban: there is "ar -x" |
| 00:42.06 | streuner | dserban: there is "ar x" |
| 00:42.12 | MrFrood | !confmiss |
| 00:42.12 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 00:43.03 | dserban | MrFrood: will that then ask me to overwrite each of the other configs that have already been tailored? |
| 00:43.56 | MrFrood | as i understand it will reinstall the original config files |
| 00:44.05 | dserban | :s |
| 00:44.22 | dserban | not what I want. Ok I'll try with -x extract |
| 00:44.27 | streuner | dserban: what kind of package is that, does it have a name? |
| 00:44.34 | dserban | streuner: awstats |
| 00:44.38 | streuner | oh |
| 00:44.56 | dserban | the cron job file in cron.d is messed up |
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| 00:45.22 | dserban | hence I want the plain vanilla example that it came with, as the bashisms in there now just fail on every call |
| 00:45.35 | dserban | I know how to fix it, but I want to go back to pristine |
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| 00:48.12 | MrFrood | dserban: how is that not what --force-confmiss does? |
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| 00:48.54 | dserban | MrFrood: I understood that it'd overwrite the other configuration files. |
| 00:49.25 | MrFrood | only if they have the same name |
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| 00:50.06 | dserban | MrFrood: right, so awstats.conf, well I guess I could find all of them, and rename them to .old, then revert them after the update. |
| 00:50.20 | dserban | or! I could just extract the archive, pick up what I need, and move on |
| 00:50.45 | streuner | might not working |
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| 00:51.03 | streuner | some config files creates in install process |
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| 00:51.53 | streuner | so <confmiss> could be an option |
| 00:51.54 | dserban | streuner: aye, I'm aware, doesn't hurt to look though, it's what I figure. I've spent enough time in the dpkg man page :P |
| 00:52.06 | streuner | hm |
| 00:52.10 | dserban | I'll try it if this doesn't pan out |
| 00:55.50 | dserban | yeah that worked. ar -x to the rescue |
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| 01:05.34 | MrFrood | dserban: you might want so save this pristine config file as .old before you mess with it - save yourself some grief next time it goes tits up |
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| 01:09.25 | monkey_d_luffy | Does anyone knows why the debian wiki is down? |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org ? |
| 01:10.44 | monkey_d_luffy | abrotman: yes |
| 01:10.50 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: DSA already knows abot it |
| 01:11.01 | monkey_d_luffy | ok |
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| 01:13.02 | MrFrood | monkey_d_luffy: you can use googles cache pages until it's fixed |
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| 01:16.40 | vexmaster | hello room! |
| 01:16.52 | dvs | !room |
| 01:16.52 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:17.09 | vexmaster | just checking |
| 01:19.12 | cammoblammo | When I use flash the sound seems to buffer for a minute or two, then play back all at once at a much faster rate. Other users on this system don't have this problem. Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 01:19.59 | MrFrood | cammoblammo: what are you using for flash playback? |
| 01:20.36 | cammoblammo | MrFrood: The nonfree plugin. |
| 01:20.54 | MrFrood | 32 or 64 bit |
| 01:22.04 | cammoblammo | 32 |
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| 01:22.47 | MrFrood | just one web-site or multiple ones |
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| 01:23.30 | cammoblammo | All of them, as far as I can tell. It doesn't seem to be a problem for the first few hours after rebooting, but once it goes sour it stays that way. |
| 01:23.37 | mjmt | cammoblammo: I get that occasionally, but not every time. Recent Firefoxes have a separate plugin-container process you can kill. |
| 01:24.36 | cammoblammo | Interesting. I'm using Chromium these days---presumably that would have a similar thing, wouldn't it? |
| 01:24.53 | mjmt | Chromium always has. Not sure about whether/how you can kill it though. |
| 01:25.07 | mjmt | I guess by closing the tab. |
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| 01:25.22 | a1fa | does anyone have any 10Gbe experience? |
| 01:25.48 | cammoblammo | Hmm. Closing tabs doesn't seem to help. Neither does shutting down the whole browser. |
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| 01:26.48 | MrFrood | cammoblammo: fire up top or htop and see whats monopoliseing you cpu |
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| 01:27.21 | MrFrood | *your |
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| 01:29.03 | MrFrood | cammoblammo: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 01:30.13 | cammoblammo | Okay, interesting. Playing a youtuber video got the chromium-browser up to about 17%. When the sound kicked in for a second (literally) it ramped up to about 83% then fell back down when the sound stopped. |
| 01:30.40 | cammoblammo | I'm using Sid. I've had the problem for a few months now, and I've had a reinstall in that time, too. |
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| 01:32.01 | monkey_d_luffy | when I click on the nm-applet icon, I get in the Wireless Networks an unclickable text saying "device not ready" How do I get this damn thing working? I can use iwlist scan and it shows me the networks. What is the problem? |
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| 01:32.30 | wireddd | is xen better than qemu and/or virtual box in terms of performance |
| 01:32.32 | wireddd | ? |
| 01:32.33 | cammoblammo | Once in a while the sound gets stuck in a loop, playing the same fifth of a second or so over and over, like a stuck CD. The CPU goes down to about 5% then. |
| 01:34.34 | magyar | hi, which proc device lists my sas drive information? |
| 01:34.35 | MrFrood | cammoblammo: might be time to file a bug report |
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| 01:35.02 | cammoblammo | Against the flash plugin, I presume? |
| 01:35.52 | MrFrood | do you get the same behaviour in other browsers? |
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| 01:37.04 | cammoblammo | Yes, I do. Yet other users on this system don't have the same problem. |
| 01:38.32 | MrFrood | so yes to your against the flash plugin qeestion |
| 01:39.05 | cammoblammo | Thanks, I'll get on to it. |
| 01:39.22 | MrFrood | sounds like flash and alsa are having comunication issues |
| 01:39.45 | MrFrood | cammoblammo: do you know how to use gdb? |
| 01:40.20 | cammoblammo | Hmm, I have used it in the past, but that was a while ago. |
| 01:40.21 | MrFrood | it might give you a bit more insight in to the exact nature of the issue |
| 01:40.40 | cammoblammo | I'll have a play when I get a bit of time tonight, I think. |
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| 01:46.46 | fas3r | i use raid 1 for my both HDD. i just create a logical partition. i need to reboot the server to see the new Hdrive in /dev ? |
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| 01:47.23 | fas3r | btw i used cfidsk |
| 01:47.33 | fas3r | and i define FD for the type. |
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| 02:13.09 | Metaphysicist | Where is the documentation for the debian make tools? |
| 02:14.35 | newsense | try whereis make |
| 02:15.00 | MrFrood | Metaphysicist: to you mean to make a debian package? |
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| 02:15.26 | Metaphysicist | For a spinoff of Debian. |
| 02:15.26 | Metaphysicist | I meant. |
| 02:15.27 | newsense | if you don't know what whereis does try whatis whereis |
| 02:16.16 | newsense | not sure what you mean by a spinoff of debian |
| 02:16.19 | newsense | ubuntu ? |
| 02:16.27 | MrFrood | to make your own live CD type of thing |
| 02:16.36 | newsense | oh |
| 02:16.48 | newsense | i think theres a factoid for that |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | Metaphysicist: ask your spinoff channel .. this channel is for Debian |
| 02:17.39 | Metaphysicist | I meant for creating a spinoff, mate. Not that I am using a spinoff. |
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| 02:18.36 | MrFrood | he wanted http://live.debian.net/manual/en/ but he has left now :| |
| 02:18.54 | newsense | MrFrood: ain't there a factoid for that |
| 02:19.09 | newsense | i would have pointed him to it but i forget |
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| 02:19.34 | MrFrood | has not a clue |
| 02:20.01 | newsense | dpkg livecd |
| 02:20.01 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 02:20.16 | newsense | that ain't it |
| 02:21.02 | newsense | no wait it is |
| 02:21.25 | MrFrood | that's noot for making your own though - however you can use the tools they use to make the livecd to make your own |
| 02:21.33 | newsense | live-build is |
| 02:21.41 | newsense | it's on that site |
| 02:21.54 | MrFrood | hence my link |
| 02:22.06 | newsense | well my link woulda worked too |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | !cdd |
| 02:22.33 | dpkg | [cdd] Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:22.49 | newsense | but one woul require common sense to find the right page |
| 02:23.14 | MrFrood | also require the wiki to be working :p |
| 02:23.27 | newsense | haha abrotmnan got us both beat |
| 02:23.40 | chupacabra | oh, yes. I installed Debian testing and it didn't set up grub correctly. anybody else had that issue lately? coulda been me. |
| 02:23.51 | newsense | not suprised though, he has helped me a lot over the years |
| 02:24.03 | MrFrood | bows down in respect to abrotman |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | i did what? |
| 02:24.19 | newsense | abrotman: you have helped me a lot over the years |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | too bad the wiki is down |
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| 02:26.11 | newsense | hey what do you guys reommend for virtualization, like kvm, xen, etc... ? |
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| 02:27.18 | sedulous | newsense: KVM is quite solid and easily manageable too nowadays, with libvirt & virt-manager |
| 02:28.16 | newsense | sedulous: cool i was hoping to hear that, used that last time but my VM died |
| 02:28.25 | sedulous | my Xen experienced was a one-time thing, with paravirtualization only, and not something I'd like to repeat anytime soon... |
| 02:28.31 | sedulous | *experience |
| 02:28.44 | newsense | i thought KVM was solid and the VM dying was most likely some windows issue |
| 02:28.51 | sedulous | Xen still requires a custom kernel, unlike KVM |
| 02:29.06 | Hadaka | xen has HVM support as well, though not as often used |
| 02:29.17 | newsense | whats that ? |
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| 02:29.19 | Hadaka | but I concur, kvm is easy to get running and works reasonably well |
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| 02:29.33 | newsense | HVM ? |
| 02:29.39 | Hadaka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen#Hardware-assisted_virtualization.2C_allowing_for_unmodified_guests |
| 02:29.44 | sedulous | yes, it does, unfortunately wasn't available on that system. however HVM or not, I - as a beginner - found Xen's configuration much more convoluted and opaque than KVM + virt-manager |
| 02:30.14 | sedulous | Hardware assisted Virtual Machine (Intel VT-x / AMD-V) |
| 02:30.17 | sedulous | newsense: ^ |
| 02:30.24 | ksx4system | hello. tomorrow i'll have old Toshiba Portege (3110CT) with winshit 98 on board. is it possible to install debian on other computer and then move it to the laptop? |
| 02:30.41 | newsense | i didn't know about HVM when i was considering virtualization software |
| 02:31.04 | ksx4system | there's no CD/floppy/probably USB boot too on it, it's Pentium II powered 10" tiny toy |
| 02:31.16 | Hadaka | KVM is hardware assisted as well |
| 02:31.29 | newsense | i thought so |
| 02:31.32 | sedulous | newsense: KVM requires hardware virtualization support, while Xen also works without it, but of course then needs specific guest kernel support |
| 02:31.35 | newsense | well theres an option for it |
| 02:31.43 | ksx4system | i did similar things on OpenBSD but this time i Just want Debian. |
| 02:32.19 | newsense | ok i'll go KVM again and be a little more careful with my windows VM |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:32.37 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 02:32.44 | newsense | i am sure now that it was the VM and not KVM that was hosed |
| 02:32.56 | sedulous | newsense: be sure to install the virtio disk drivers. it makes windows guests a lot faster. |
| 02:33.04 | newsense | dhaha @ dpkg |
| 02:33.20 | newsense | sedulous: that a seperate package ? |
| 02:33.21 | sedulous | lmao |
| 02:33.23 | sweetpi | ksx4system: if you dont have usb, you could try netboot |
| 02:34.13 | sedulous | newsense: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/WindowsGuestDrivers/Download_Drivers |
| 02:34.20 | ksx4system | @sweetpi: it has USB and *some* BIOS versions support booting from it. but really, no idea which one is on it. |
| 02:35.08 | sedulous | newsense: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/virtio-win/latest/images/bin/ |
| 02:35.15 | newsense | sedulous: oh ok i didn't have that before and i couldn't even start my VM without a cd or dvd in the drive, not sure if this will solve that too but if it's faster i'll try it |
| 02:35.26 | ksx4system | @sweetpi: as i said: installing on other machine and then moving to final machine is possible on OpenBSD and I done it before few times. |
| 02:35.39 | newsense | thank you sedulous |
| 02:35.42 | sedulous | newsense: the drivers accelerate disk and network i/o but disk is much more noticable than network |
| 02:35.58 | sweetpi | ksx4system: then take a look at debootstrap |
| 02:35.58 | sedulous | newsense: windows 7? |
| 02:36.14 | newsense | sedulous: that should be on the wiki, never heard of that before |
| 02:36.16 | sedulous | newsense: sorry, i meant: vista x86_64 or windows 7 x86_64? |
| 02:36.16 | ksx4system | @abrotman: it wasn't funny, really. |
| 02:36.20 | newsense | sedulous: xp |
| 02:36.39 | ksx4system | @sweetpi: thnx, i'll look for it. |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | ksx4system: in general, it would be easier to attach the HDD to an adapter in a real system and do the install |
| 02:36.41 | newsense | got the disk and license for free |
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| 02:37.03 | abrotman | ksx4system: if the BIOS supports USB booting, it won't be that hard, but without, network instlal is all you'd hve |
| 02:37.10 | sedulous | newsense: then you're good. vista and windows 64-bit don't allow the users to install unsigned drivers without a workaround. however there seem to be signed KVM guest drivers nowadays, so np. |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | !tell ksx4system about usb install |
| 02:38.24 | ksx4system | @abrotman: i'm already familiar with USB installs. but as i said: i don't know if BIOS version on exactly this one Portege supports USB booting. i'll try debootstrap |
| 02:38.37 | newsense | sedulous: great, thanks a lot i really appreciate the help, i been on oftc in #virt and in #kvm here and got nowhere near as much help in a week as i got here in ten minutes haha |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | from windows 98? seriously? |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | !goodbye-microsoft |
| 02:39.16 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:40.30 | ksx4system | @abrotman: i know, i know. i'm already familiar with Linux and OpenBSD :) but wincrap 98 was preinstalled |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | i meant the website |
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| 02:41.34 | newsense | can i install a VM and make that the firewall for my lan ? |
| 02:41.44 | ksx4system | @abrotman: ok, i'll read it |
| 02:43.38 | sedulous | ksx4system: if the thing has no cd-rom drive and doesn't boot from USB, i'd consider a dual-boot installation: 1) main system, 2) "live" system for maintenance. |
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| 02:44.38 | sedulous | the âgrmlâ live cd has a âhd installâ which you could use on a 2nd computer to install the live system on the laptop's hard drive (connected via USB for example) |
| 02:45.13 | sedulous | grml also has debootstrap, so you could then use it directly on that laptop |
| 02:46.01 | sweetpi | ksx4system: you could also try loadlin from dos and a netboot kernel and initrd |
| 02:47.10 | ksx4system | @sweetpi: my only option to get internet access will be 3G modem (got two different, both supported on Linux very well) |
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| 02:47.24 | ksx4system | @sedulous: it's a really good idea, thnx |
| 02:47.45 | sedulous | ksx4system: how much disk space does that thing have? |
| 02:47.51 | sedulous | and RAM? |
| 02:47.57 | sweetpi | ksx4system: I see, so debootstrap or grub would be your best bet |
| 02:48.42 | ethanol | damnit |
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| 02:50.08 | ksx4system | @sedulous: installed HDD is 6,4Gb but i'd love to replace it with CF card (DDing whole hdd for example). ram is 192mb (max for this Portege) |
| 02:50.35 | sedulous | 192 MB is plenty if you stick to lean tools |
| 02:51.26 | ksx4system | @sedulous: i'm playing with Debian on virtual machine, light tools only. usage ALWAYS under 50mb ram (even with graphical interface and web browser) |
| 02:51.29 | dzup2 | hello, i download a file with multiple parts, is a tar file, how can i untar the files into a single file like in windows? |
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| 02:53.45 | ksx4system | @sedulous: it'll be just a mobile notepad, tool to use Jabber, IRC and SSH. |
| 02:53.57 | sedulous | sounds nice, ksx4system |
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| 02:55.06 | ksx4system | @sedulous: yes, of course. sounds even nicer when it's "upgrade" from old laptop made by well known company with fruit logo. :) |
| 02:55.18 | sedulous | oooh! |
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| 03:00.36 | ksx4system | after reading things linked by people here, some other things and just my experience i've got an idea |
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| 03:01.45 | ksx4system | get a fresh disk/CF card > write on it a boot loader like Plop (on the other computer) > move disk/card to laptop > fire it up > try to boot debian from USB using Plop or other similar tool |
| 03:02.14 | ksx4system | nothing easier isn't comming to my mind. |
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| 03:04.54 | brummbaer | oooh, just ordered my qnap to replace my crummy old laptop acting as network hub. yay! |
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| 03:10.51 | IanWizard | Hey guys :) I'm moving away from Ubuntu, and going back to pure Debian. I've bootstrapped a system, but it's on an encrypted partition, I've got grub2, and everything else working, but it keeps saying that it can't find the root partition. I've installed cryptsetup, dmsetup, lvm2, just like always, and it updates the initram, as usual. I can mount it by hand from the init shell, but I have to modprobe dm_mod first. I've tried everything, but I'm |
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| 03:14.28 | jfer | i was wondering if a deb package is available for eclipse 3.6 (helios) |
| 03:15.25 | qq- | , versions eclipse |
| 03:15.25 | judd | eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-6; squeeze: 3.5.2-6 |
| 03:15.50 | jfer | is someone able to package 3.6? |
| 03:15.56 | qq- | no |
| 03:16.44 | jfer | if i was to could i put it into the repository? |
| 03:17.11 | dzup2 | hello, i download a file with multiple parts, is a tar file, how can i untar the files into a single file like in windows? |
| 03:17.36 | IanWizard | jfer: almost all of the packages are community developed/maintained |
| 03:17.56 | IanWizard | jfer: (that's more or less a yes) |
| 03:18.06 | gnarface | dzup2: tar should have multiple file support |
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| 03:18.51 | gnarface | dzup2: tar is a linear format, so you could just concatenate them together too (assuming they're not also compressed) |
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| 03:22.44 | ems | I just installed debian. and I must way. wow. its like starting back from when I was just a little lad working on a computer |
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| 03:22.50 | ems | lol |
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| 03:24.20 | qq- | dzup2, try file-roller |
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| 03:24.46 | jfer | how do i contact a package maintainer? |
| 03:25.14 | davekong | Are all the packages that can be downloaded with apt-get ported to sparc? |
| 03:25.31 | gnutron | sorry, oops. |
| 03:26.00 | qq- | jfer, /msg dpkg mentor |
| 03:28.00 | gnarface | davekong: some packages are architecture-specific, so i'd say definitely *no* - whether there are also other exceptions besides ones that are theoretically pending only the effort of doing so i can't say for sure |
| 03:28.33 | gnarface | davekong: if you have a specific package in mind it's pretty easy to check though... |
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| 03:32.14 | davekong | gnarface: openSSI but it looks like they have their own repo |
| 03:32.23 | davekong | http://deb.openssi.org/v2 ./ |
| 03:34.04 | davekong | looks like all 386 :( |
| 03:34.25 | gnarface | davekong: yea that's what it looks like. not even amd64 |
| 03:35.32 | davekong | I am looking for cluster software that can run on sparc was thinking of using debian as a base because I know they have sparc packages and heard some others using debian |
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| 03:37.20 | gnarface | "cluster" is a pretty broad term and i'm only familiar with a couple types of clusters. could you define your purpose in more specific terms, like why did you choose openssi initially? |
| 03:37.24 | qq- | !sparc |
| 03:37.25 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:38.17 | gnarface | :-/ alternately you could go to this irc channel ^^^ they probably know what they're doing there |
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| 03:48.07 | ems | Where is debians repository list for aptitude(apt-get) cached? /etc/ ? |
| 03:48.38 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:48.52 | ems | thanks |
| 03:49.00 | newsense | sorry |
| 03:49.07 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.37 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.52 | ems | Thats the one. thank you |
| 03:50.57 | newsense | sorry |
| 03:51.33 | ems | no problem at all dont be so hard on yourself |
| 03:51.34 | ems | :) |
| 03:51.46 | newsense | haha thanks |
| 03:51.50 | ems | now if vbox can just answer me and tell me their links |
| 03:51.55 | ems | alot of idlers |
| 03:52.47 | newsense | not sure what links you need but dpkg might have the info you need, /msg dpkg virtualbox |
| 03:53.26 | ems | thanks |
| 03:53.33 | newsense | no problem |
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| 03:55.59 | ems | newsense, it does not reply to me |
| 03:56.10 | newsense | ems: you blocking msgs ? |
| 03:56.24 | davekong | gnarface: thanks I will ask them |
| 03:56.30 | ems | newsense, I dont know, I just installed xchat |
| 03:57.04 | newsense | ems: well dpkg should have responded i just msg'gd it virtualbox and got a reply |
| 03:57.13 | davekong | or not.. it is invite only |
| 03:57.30 | newsense | dpkg virtualbox |
| 03:57.30 | dpkg | VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 03:57.31 | davekong | gnarface: HPC stuff |
| 03:59.08 | gnarface | davekong: they moved it to irc.oftc.net - the freenode channel is an empty placeholder |
| 03:59.39 | gnarface | ems: look in your left column |
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| 04:00.00 | ems | gnarface, for the private message? ya its not there. hehe it hates me i think |
| 04:00.17 | ems | dpkg vbox-install lenny |
| 04:02.52 | newsense | dpkg 'vbox-install lenny' |
| 04:02.52 | dpkg | newsense: wish i knew |
| 04:03.00 | newsense | dpkg vbox-install lenny |
| 04:03.00 | dpkg | As root: "aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` && invoke-rc.d udev reload && modprobe vboxdrv". Add your user account to the vboxusers group: "adduser yourusername vboxusers", logout and login again before starting virtualbox. To load vboxdrv at system startup, "editor /etc/default/virtualbox-ose" and set LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE to 1. |
| 04:03.13 | ems | newsense: i manually did it, but i have got this. any ideas? |
| 04:03.15 | ems | newsense, kaos:/home/zilean/Desktop/Downloads# ./virtualbox-3.2_3.2.8-64453~Debian~lenny_i386.deb |
| 04:03.15 | ems | bash: ./virtualbox-3.2_3.2.8-64453~Debian~lenny_i386.deb: Permission denied |
| 04:03.29 | ems | its a deb and im su'd as root |
| 04:03.30 | newsense | i am using kvm but would try vbox if it was beter in some way |
| 04:03.30 | ems | i dont get it |
| 04:03.51 | newsense | use dpkg -i |
| 04:04.03 | newsense | dpkg -i virtualbo........deb |
| 04:04.03 | dpkg | removes a speen from newsense and replaces it with virtualbo........deb |
| 04:04.14 | newsense | haha |
| 04:04.41 | newsense | it's not a script it's a .deb package |
| 04:04.58 | ems | Ok but when I click on it, it says Archive Manager cannot read this format |
| 04:05.06 | ems | or |
| 04:05.08 | ems | nto supported |
| 04:05.09 | newsense | yeah it cant |
| 04:05.09 | ems | rather |
| 04:05.10 | ems | not* |
| 04:05.12 | newsense | ark you mean |
| 04:05.17 | newsense | dpkg -i virtualbo........deb |
| 04:05.17 | dpkg | package virtualbo........deb is already installed |
| 04:05.21 | newsense | use that |
| 04:05.36 | ems | where do i type that in the terminal? |
| 04:05.40 | newsense | use dpkg -i virtualbox-3.2_3.2.8-64453~Debian~lenny_i386.deb |
| 04:05.42 | newsense | actually |
| 04:05.44 | ems | ah i see |
| 04:05.50 | newsense | why aint you using aptitude install ? |
| 04:06.02 | ems | the version is older then this new one |
| 04:06.04 | ems | that is why |
| 04:06.15 | ems | and |
| 04:06.19 | ems | i cant find the repo's |
| 04:06.20 | ems | to add it |
| 04:06.55 | newsense | oh it ain't poackaged |
| 04:06.58 | newsense | i see |
| 04:07.05 | newsense | well use dpkg -i than |
| 04:07.08 | ems | Houstin we have a problem. |
| 04:07.20 | newsense | depend isue |
| 04:07.23 | ems | yes |
| 04:07.28 | newsense | issue*i figured |
| 04:07.42 | newsense | try to aptitude install the depends |
| 04:07.52 | ems | ok |
| 04:08.14 | newsense | than dpkg -i, if theres anther issue aptitude install that too |
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| 04:08.30 | newsense | dpkg -i vir...... that is |
| 04:08.30 | dpkg | installs vir...... that is into newsense's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 04:08.36 | newsense | stfu dpkg |
| 04:08.42 | newsense | haha |
| 04:09.15 | sedulous | dpkg -r dpkg |
| 04:09.15 | dpkg | removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from sedulous's body, then staples sedulous back up with a staple gun. |
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| 04:09.48 | ems | okay well |
| 04:09.55 | sedulous | contemplates trying gNewSense on the laptop |
| 04:09.57 | ems | when i aptitude install libqt4-opengl |
| 04:10.01 | ems | it auto installed |
| 04:10.04 | ems | vbox the new version |
| 04:10.06 | ems | what the heck? |
| 04:10.09 | Cisien | takes the staple gun away from dpkg |
| 04:10.33 | newsense | ems: sure it wasnt the one your tried to dpkg -i ? |
| 04:10.50 | ems | Unpacking libqt4-opengl (from .../libqt4-opengl_4.4.3-1+lenny1_i386.deb) ... |
| 04:10.50 | ems | Setting up libqt4-opengl (4.4.3-1+lenny1) ... |
| 04:10.50 | ems | Setting up virtualbox-3.2 (3.2.8-64453~Debian~lenny) ... |
| 04:10.50 | ems | Adding group `vboxusers' (GID 116) ... |
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| 04:10.56 | ems | oops |
| 04:11.00 | newsense | dpkg will configure .debs you downloaded whrn the depends are met |
| 04:11.00 | dpkg | that's too long, newsense |
| 04:11.07 | ems | but there is no menu for it |
| 04:11.13 | ems | ah i see |
| 04:11.15 | newsense | menu ? |
| 04:11.20 | ems | Applications |
| 04:11.21 | ems | and stuff |
| 04:11.29 | newsense | apt-cache policy virtualbox |
| 04:11.45 | newsense | thatll tell you which you have |
| 04:11.55 | ems | nothing. haha |
| 04:11.58 | ems | it told me it installed |
| 04:12.01 | ems | i dont understand |
| 04:12.19 | newsense | try to install it now with dpkg |
| 04:12.34 | ems | I did. same thing. and did the policies |
| 04:12.35 | ems | nada |
| 04:12.46 | newsense | was this a debian package ? |
| 04:12.51 | ems | yes. .deb |
| 04:12.55 | newsense | no |
| 04:12.57 | Dewi | anyone know how I can publish an AAC audio stream? |
| 04:12.59 | ems | /home/zilean/Desktop/Downloads/virtualbox-3.2_3.2.8-64453~Debian~lenny_i386.deb |
| 04:13.00 | newsense | was it a debia package |
| 04:13.09 | newsense | .deb doesnt mean debian |
| 04:13.15 | ems | ? |
| 04:13.19 | ems | i thought it did |
| 04:13.22 | newsense | was it an ubuntu .deb |
| 04:13.31 | ems | no debian lenny |
| 04:13.35 | ems | got it straight from the site |
| 04:13.36 | ems | itself |
| 04:13.36 | Dewi | ems: it's debian's package format, but debian isn't the only distribution using it |
| 04:13.38 | newsense | and you run lenny |
| 04:13.39 | newsense | ? |
| 04:13.41 | ems | yes |
| 04:14.06 | newsense | dpkg -l |grep virtualbox |
| 04:14.06 | dpkg | ii |grep virtualbox 2.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:14.18 | newsense | haha |
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| 04:15.30 | ems | newsense, i have no idea lol |
| 04:15.51 | newsense | me either |
| 04:16.12 | newsense | iyou got no error and it seemed to install, never seen that |
| 04:16.39 | ems | oh SOB |
| 04:16.48 | newsense | sorr |
| 04:16.50 | ems | it went into System Tools, not Internet |
| 04:16.51 | newsense | sorry |
| 04:16.53 | ems | my bad |
| 04:17.03 | newsense | oh so it installed |
| 04:17.05 | ems | dont be sorry for my dumb a-- |
| 04:17.07 | ems | yes |
| 04:17.30 | newsense | ok cool, nah man we all make mistakes |
| 04:17.48 | ems | but there is one more thing i urgently need help with |
| 04:17.51 | ems | before i goto sleep |
| 04:18.00 | newsense | i'll help ya if i can |
| 04:18.17 | newsense | i think the channel got a few more active than me too |
| 04:18.55 | ems | I have a second hard drive in my computer, and and an external one. For the second hard drive. (hdb) or something. how do I activate it and make it into a linux partition.. it has some info on it also. and for the ext. one. Do I just plug it in and it will recognize it? |
| 04:19.33 | newsense | ems: fdisk or partman or similar, and yes |
| 04:19.41 | ems | Thanks again! Cool! |
| 04:19.50 | newsense | anytime |
| 04:20.05 | newsense | dpkg format |
| 04:20.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, format is apparently what Windows users call "mke2fs""fdisk" or both, or on floppies use superformat |
| 04:20.17 | newsense | dpkg partition |
| 04:20.17 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 04:20.22 | newsense | there we go |
| 04:20.37 | newsense | parted thats it i said partman |
| 04:20.45 | newsense | i use fdisk always myself |
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| 04:31.03 | ems | ls -l | grep "namehere" |
| 04:31.04 | ems | right? |
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| 04:33.06 | Dewi | Anyone know of any streaming A/V media servers? Preferably mpeg-4 |
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| 04:33.41 | Dewi | I've been limping along with xmms2+icecast in vorbis but it's pretty clunky |
| 04:34.36 | gnarface | Dewi: mythtv |
| 04:34.39 | nsadmin | whacha streaming? |
| 04:34.54 | Dewi | nsadmin: music, maybe video |
| 04:35.19 | gnarface | mythtv if it's for home use |
| 04:35.30 | nsadmin | oh, for like an internet station or for your own purposes? |
| 04:35.31 | Dewi | does myth stream? |
| 04:35.43 | gnarface | yes |
| 04:36.36 | gnarface | it's like a tivo but with a client/server model and without the source media restrictions |
| 04:36.39 | Dewi | do you need a special client, or is it standard formats? |
| 04:36.57 | Dewi | one of the places I'd love to stream music is to my mobile |
| 04:37.03 | Dewi | (android) |
| 04:37.09 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 04:37.19 | Dewi | and video for that matter, would be very cool |
| 04:37.29 | gnarface | i've streamed to a web frontend i built myself from the back end |
| 04:37.39 | gnarface | that was several years ago now they may have more client options |
| 04:37.46 | gnarface | the primary use is intended for the custom client |
| 04:37.52 | Dewi | maybe I should look at uPNP? |
| 04:39.14 | Dewi | I would never have thought of it except people keep asking about it in here, and there do seem to be a lot of implementations around |
| 04:39.19 | Dewi | (including embedded) |
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| 04:56.15 | qpt` | FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** NIGGERS RAPE WHITE GIRLS AT A RATE OF 20 TO 1 *** FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** NIGGERS RAPE WHITE GIRLS AT A RATE OF 20 TO 1 *** FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** NIGGERS RAPE WHITE GIRLS AT A RATE OF 20 TO 1 *** FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** NIGGERS RAPE WHITE GIRLS AT A RATE OF 20 TO 1 *** FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** NIGGERS RAPE WHITE GIRLS AT A RATE OF 20 TO 1 *** FUCK YOU FAGGOTS *** |
| 04:56.44 | gnarface | lol@unrequited love |
| 04:56.50 | newsense | mediatomb streams and it's PS3 compatible but it uses a gui to config AFAIR |
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| 04:58.58 | newsense | these are the times i am glad to not be a white girl, seems i would be in danger if i was |
| 04:59.30 | l0rd_hex | hey guys, if I need to make a very small kernel and initrd to do one thing (run smartd against my disks) should I use something like debootstrap? |
| 04:59.35 | nsadmin | according to an unverified source anyway |
| 04:59.45 | newsense | haha |
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| 05:00.01 | newsense | l0rd_hex: use a live disk |
| 05:00.20 | nsadmin | he got /killed before you could discuss it with him... shame.... |
| 05:00.27 | l0rd_hex | newsense: I want to PXE boot this on a whole bunch of machines.. |
| 05:00.32 | l0rd_hex | brb 1 sec window issues.. |
| 05:00.44 | newsense | :) |
| 05:00.55 | l0rd_hex | okay |
| 05:01.00 | l0rd_hex | think I got those sorted out |
| 05:01.24 | nsadmin | if the kernel is only to do that one thing, what's the purpose of the machine? |
| 05:01.54 | ems | From which command could I update my apt.source list. I know there is a way to update and get all links from a site |
| 05:02.12 | newsense | and if you are pxe booting how many hdd's can you have |
| 05:02.40 | l0rd_hex | I have a cluster of 60 or so machines and I want to test if the disks are still good before I put the system back online.. what I'd like to do is have the machines PXE boot this kernel and initrd, run smartd and throw the results on a NFS or tftp server and then reboot |
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| 05:03.03 | newsense | sounds wild |
| 05:03.15 | l0rd_hex | the joys of running a crusty cluster |
| 05:03.33 | newsense | so you got 1 hdd ? |
| 05:03.44 | l0rd_hex | each machine has one |
| 05:04.17 | newsense | oh |
| 05:04.22 | l0rd_hex | but if you were going to build a debian based initrd what tool would you use? |
| 05:04.27 | newsense | i was thinking one box with the disks |
| 05:04.32 | l0rd_hex | heh, no I wish |
| 05:04.37 | ems | nevermind got it. its apt-get update |
| 05:04.46 | l0rd_hex | well I've got one of those too, but that one is easy :) |
| 05:05.05 | newsense | mkinitrd |
| 05:05.10 | newsense | mkinitramfs |
| 05:05.43 | gnarface | l0rd_hex: i would use kernel-package - it's easier |
| 05:05.52 | newsense | yeah you are right |
| 05:05.56 | newsense | me too |
| 05:06.07 | l0rd_hex | kernel-package? thanks |
| 05:06.15 | l0rd_hex | goes off to read the man page |
| 05:06.23 | newsense | ask dpkg |
| 05:06.28 | newsense | he has a factoid |
| 05:06.37 | newsense | the kp mantra |
| 05:06.45 | newsense | dpkg kp-mantra |
| 05:06.45 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 05:06.47 | gnarface | it's just a batch front-end for all the other lower-level tools. unless you're doing something weird it is easier |
| 05:08.31 | l0rd_hex | ahh okay, I guess I need to make my mkinitrd first |
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| 05:08.43 | newsense | look at the kp-mantra |
| 05:08.44 | newsense | ^^ |
| 05:09.02 | newsense | add --initrd |
| 05:09.27 | l0rd_hex | how does it decide what goes in the initrd though? |
| 05:09.36 | l0rd_hex | I guess I could modify an existing one? |
| 05:09.51 | newsense | whatever you add ass modules ? |
| 05:09.57 | newsense | s/ass/as |
| 05:10.16 | newsense | not sure myself |
| 05:10.25 | l0rd_hex | alright, I'll take a look see |
| 05:10.26 | l0rd_hex | thanks |
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| 05:10.37 | newsense | i am going to look too, i gotta know now |
| 05:10.40 | newsense | ;) |
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| 05:11.24 | gnarface | i only recall ever having to pass make-kpkg like two parameters |
| 05:11.33 | gnarface | it always handled everything else automatically (including the mkinitrd stuff) |
| 05:11.36 | sprink | my iptables don't seem to be working correctly in debian, can anyone take a look at this: |
| 05:11.39 | sprink | http://debian.pastebin.com/i96ktQ2m |
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| 05:12.19 | gnarface | it was like make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=[version number for the created package] kernel_package |
| 05:12.21 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 05:12.39 | newsense | i remember bow |
| 05:12.40 | newsense | now |
| 05:12.56 | newsense | initrd has just the basic modules to boot a system |
| 05:13.04 | newsense | disk drivers and such |
| 05:13.06 | gnarface | all those other options i never really needed to change the defaults |
| 05:13.45 | newsense | once the hdd driver is loaded and the disk is mounted the boot process runs the main kernel |
| 05:14.21 | newsense | my terminology might not be 100% aaccurate but the idea is about right |
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| 05:15.13 | l0rd_hex | beb tmux hates irssi |
| 05:15.26 | newsense | i dont think initrd even has network drivers usually |
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| 05:20.08 | dondelelcaro | newsense: it will if you tell it that it's a netboot initrd |
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| 05:21.18 | newsense | dondelelcaro: never heard that but i believe it, just not a default debian initrd though right ? |
| 05:22.26 | dondelelcaro | newsense: that's not the default configuration, but the default debian initramfs tools are more than capable of doing that |
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| 05:23.10 | newsense | dondelelcaro: can i ask you why anyonme would need an initrd with network drivers? |
| 05:23.29 | newsense | i just don't get the reason why it would be needed |
| 05:23.46 | newsense | i am sure there is a good one though |
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| 05:24.52 | newsense | sprink: you allow everything is the only problem i see |
| 05:26.04 | sprink | newsense: look at line 5 and 6 |
| 05:26.08 | sprink | thats my problem |
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| 05:26.51 | l0rd_hex | newsense: my initrd will need network drivers, because I want to output my info on a NFS server |
| 05:26.54 | l0rd_hex | or tftp |
| 05:26.59 | newsense | oh sorry |
| 05:27.07 | newsense | is the state module loaded ? |
| 05:27.25 | l0rd_hex | state.ko? |
| 05:27.29 | newsense | sprink: ^^ |
| 05:27.53 | newsense | l0rd_hex: sory was talking to sprink |
| 05:28.17 | newsense | sprink: lsmod |grep xt_state |
| 05:28.25 | l0rd_hex | newsense: oh sorry :) |
| 05:28.31 | dondelelcaro | newsense: NFS root |
| 05:28.41 | newsense | sprink: try without state module if not and see if it works |
| 05:29.02 | dondelelcaro | newsense: or some other network root filesystem; otherwise it's not necessary |
| 05:29.06 | newsense | dondelelcaro: i don't know anything about NFS :( |
| 05:29.19 | newsense | i should learn |
| 05:29.26 | sprink | newsense: yeah |
| 05:29.28 | newsense | just never had a use |
| 05:29.38 | newsense | sprink: module is loaded ? |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | newsense: you see it when you're doing thin clients or other diskless workstations |
| 05:29.44 | sprink | nf_conntrack 65480 1 xt_conntrack |
| 05:29.48 | sprink | ^ yea |
| 05:29.59 | newsense | no xt_state |
| 05:30.18 | sprink | nope |
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| 05:30.25 | newsense | you are using -m state |
| 05:30.31 | newsense | well load it |
| 05:30.36 | newsense | or dont use state |
| 05:30.49 | newsense | try your iptables rule without -m state |
| 05:30.52 | newsense | bet it works |
| 05:31.11 | sprink | oh, right thanks, thought I only needed conntrack for some reason |
| 05:31.15 | sprink | brain fart lol |
| 05:31.37 | newsense | i have a lot of gas in my brain haha |
| 05:31.46 | newsense | always having brain farts |
| 05:31.54 | newsense | i happen to be on tonight |
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| 05:36.11 | newsense | man i need to setup one of these p3's as a thin client |
| 05:36.37 | newsense | just for fun and experience ofcours |
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| 05:43.34 | chupacabra | don't shoot me but i'm trying to find flashplugin-nonfree amd64 and am having no luck. Is it removed in squeeze? |
| 05:43.57 | chupacabra | im googled out |
| 05:43.58 | newsense | i think so |
| 05:44.31 | newsense | i thougt i heard something about no good flash support in 64bit |
| 05:44.44 | chupacabra | ok. gnash keeps running away. |
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| 05:45.16 | chupacabra | mebby a solution will appear in a few days |
| 05:45.31 | newsense | it's not debian it's adobe that doesn't support 64bit anymore |
| 05:45.41 | newsense | at least a quick goole says that |
| 05:46.03 | chupacabra | ya, I know. Had to ndwrap a 32bit in Fedora |
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| 05:46.20 | Rat409 | chupacabra:i used flash 32bit,w ia-32 libs http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036 |
| 05:46.35 | chupacabra | tks Rat. |
| 05:46.39 | Rat409 | i'm running squeeze amd64 |
| 05:46.46 | chupacabra | nice. |
| 05:47.13 | chupacabra | Rat409, did gnash run away on your machine? |
| 05:47.15 | newsense | wiki is down or i would refer you there, might have a solution there too |
| 05:47.31 | chupacabra | newsense, I noticed |
| 05:47.42 | Rat409 | chupacabra: i never use it |
| 05:47.47 | chupacabra | k |
| 05:47.58 | newsense | gnash sucks |
| 05:48.02 | newsense | i tried it once |
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| 05:48.06 | chupacabra | chrome came using it. |
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| 05:55.48 | ems | ok i am kind of mad now |
| 05:56.00 | ems | everything is newer versions and stupid apt-get is installing older version |
| 05:56.06 | ems | any ideas |
| 05:56.32 | nsadmin | what version of debian |
| 05:56.36 | ems | lenny |
| 05:56.37 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 05:56.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:57.00 | Parsifal | ems: First of all, you should use aptitude and not apt-get, because it's better at resolving dependencies. |
| 05:57.04 | Parsifal | See if aptitude does the same thing. |
| 05:57.16 | newsense | i agree |
| 05:57.24 | newsense | apt-get is old school |
| 05:57.31 | nsadmin | in lenny+ it's generally recommended you use aptitude... apt-get was never more than a test of the libs that people insisted on trying |
| 05:57.33 | Parsifal | Not according to Ubuntu :\ |
| 05:57.35 | newsense | apt-cache has it's uses still |
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| 05:57.46 | nsadmin | this has nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 05:57.49 | newsense | Parsifal: this ain't ubbuntu, is it ? |
| 05:57.51 | ems | yes it still installs 1.0 and the new is 1.2 |
| 05:57.56 | Parsifal | Thankfully not |
| 05:58.01 | ems | i dont get it |
| 05:58.04 | ems | at all |
| 05:58.10 | nsadmin | the new according to what? |
| 05:58.16 | ems | #winehq |
| 05:58.22 | nsadmin | what package? |
| 05:58.27 | ems | package? |
| 05:58.36 | nsadmin | what is the name of the package? |
| 05:58.40 | ems | 'wine' |
| 05:58.43 | nsadmin | , versions wine |
| 05:58.45 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 05:58.59 | nsadmin | as you can see |
| 05:59.09 | newsense | use pinning and get it from sid than |
| 05:59.09 | ems | yes i do see |
| 05:59.11 | nsadmin | there is not a 1.2 even in experimental |
| 05:59.22 | ems | well #winehq says differently lol |
| 05:59.23 | Rat409 | winehq has a repo iirc. |
| 05:59.26 | ems | they trying to mess me up |
| 05:59.30 | ems | :( |
| 06:00.20 | newsense | there is wine 1.2 |
| 06:00.25 | ems | speaking of winehq repo |
| 06:00.27 | ems | i just found it |
| 06:00.29 | ems | on the website |
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| 06:00.57 | nsadmin | built against what versions of what libs? |
| 06:01.12 | newsense | libs not in lenny i bet |
| 06:01.39 | nsadmin | that may or may not be true... |
| 06:02.02 | gnarface | no the repo just holds whatever is in squeeze/sid. it's not actually 1.2 |
| 06:02.03 | newsense | yeah i don't know for sure i don't use wine myself |
| 06:02.10 | gnarface | if you want the final 1.2 build you need to build it from the source yourself |
| 06:02.28 | gnarface | their online "repo" is the exact same version you can apt-get from the main debian one |
| 06:02.30 | nsadmin | but those packages don't come from debian... the only way anyone here could help with that is if they understood the details |
| 06:03.40 | nsadmin | exact same version... but not necessarily the same package if they built it |
| 06:03.59 | Rat409 | indeed |
| 06:04.00 | gnarface | ems: i've researched this extensively. if you want wine 1.2 you still have to build it yourself from source |
| 06:04.24 | newsense | well he might as well give it a try and hope for the bestm wine is pretty popular from the looks of my google search |
| 06:04.54 | nsadmin | or, why would they have the package if it's already distributed (and therefore bugtracked and maintained) by debian? |
| 06:05.02 | newsense | i hate using non packaged software myself |
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| 06:05.14 | gnarface | despite recent news of the latest wine 1.2 build being "stable" everything is still treating the 1.0.1 build as the current stable, even their own website |
| 06:05.19 | nsadmin | I don't |
| 06:05.54 | nsadmin | sometimes it's important that debian packaging have no influence whatsoever on some things |
| 06:06.00 | newsense | nsadmin: i actually got nothing not packages officially unless multimedia repo is not official |
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| 06:07.13 | newsense | i do have /usr/local on a seperate partition incase i ever need some third party app ot packaged |
| 06:07.16 | nsadmin | so for example I have a web site, where I build the scripting language, the httpd, the database and connectors from source and place them out of the systemwide paths |
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| 06:07.47 | nsadmin | so an upgrade can never touch that stuff |
| 06:08.03 | gnarface | newsense: i just use checkinstall to create packages on the fly from "make install" commands, that way i can remove easily |
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| 06:08.30 | newsense | yeah i used that and the other one before |
| 06:08.53 | newsense | theres some other package that builds debs from source too |
| 06:09.12 | gnarface | not that i would necessarily advise it, but you can even name and version them in the right way so as to keep standard updates from clobbering them |
| 06:09.20 | newsense | i don't really use anyhing besides debian packages and my own perl scripts |
| 06:09.54 | gnarface | it's useful for me for my custom ffmpeg builds |
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| 06:10.10 | newsense | ffmpeg++ |
| 06:10.13 | newsense | great app |
| 06:11.21 | newsense | ffmpeg with wodim to burn is the best combo |
| 06:11.42 | newsense | i am one of those people who hate gui apps |
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| 06:12.05 | newsense | not hate but don't prefer gui over cli |
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| 06:12.19 | gnarface | in most cases i tend to agree |
| 06:12.41 | gnarface | gui apps tend to break more and give less useful information when functional |
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| 06:13.31 | Rat409 | cli's usually faster too. :) |
| 06:13.43 | newsense | i just like the speed of cli apps really, all the flags and options typed after the app name |
| 06:13.52 | newsense | no clicking this and that |
| 06:14.30 | newsense | my friends are amazed when i open my dvdrw drive with a command |
| 06:14.36 | gnarface | hah |
| 06:15.05 | newsense | than when i close it wih a commad they are even more shocked |
| 06:15.06 | newsense | haha |
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| 06:44.15 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 06:45.14 | newsense | hi ShapeShifter499 |
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| 06:46.41 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm currently trying to copy/re-record a tape full of precious family recordings/karaoke sessions via line-in the option to record via line-in isn't available in sound recorder, how do I record from line-in? |
| 06:47.24 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm using debian squeeze |
| 06:47.34 | Parsifal | ShapeShifter499: You could try Audacity. |
| 06:47.41 | Parsifal | Audacity is great for simple recording and editing. |
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| 06:50.23 | ems | i'd like to find the creator or wine and just do something extremely bad to them |
| 06:50.47 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, ok hmm just go to synaptic and install? |
| 06:50.48 | newsense | or install windows and hug bill |
| 06:51.21 | Parsifal | ShapeShifter499: Synaptic, aptitude or whatever your favourite tool is. :) |
| 06:51.28 | Parsifal | The package is called audacity. |
| 06:51.28 | newsense | go the vm route |
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| 06:53.29 | sweetpi | ...or you could contribute to the project. but that wouldnt make sense |
| 06:53.54 | sprink | http://debian.pastebin.com/bwcPW8mR |
| 06:54.04 | sprink | is that a openvz bug or debian bug? |
| 06:54.12 | hid3 | Morning everyone. Any ideas if there's a way to make jigdo-file SMP-friendly so that it would spawn more thread processes? |
| 06:55.11 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, ew the sound from a test cd is breaking up what do I do? |
| 06:55.58 | Parsifal | ShapeShifter499: What are you trying to do, and in what way is it breaking up? |
| 06:57.15 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, I'm trying to make a 1:1 copy of a tape, but I'm currently using a cd player hooked up for testing, just so I don't ruin the tape by rewinding too much when it doesn't work |
| 06:57.35 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, and its breaking up, choppy |
| 06:57.38 | Parsifal | Ah, I see |
| 06:58.05 | Parsifal | It's possible that your computer isn't keeping up with recording, is it an old machine? |
| 06:59.00 | ShapeShifter499 | no its pretty new, got it from a relative that brought it about a half a year ago |
| 06:59.29 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, its a Aspire 7540-1284 |
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| 07:00.56 | Parsifal | ShapeShifter499: Go to Edit -> Preferences, and under Quality, try changing the Default Sample Format to 16-bit |
| 07:00.57 | Parsifal | See if it's still choppy after that |
| 07:03.02 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, worse |
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| 07:03.26 | Silvershadows | Sex |
| 07:03.35 | Parsifal | ShapeShifter499: Does changing the project sample rate make any difference? |
| 07:03.40 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, like a really weak radio station reception |
| 07:03.50 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, um |
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| 07:04.00 | Parsifal | At the bottom left corner, there's a menu |
| 07:04.04 | Parsifal | It should be 44100 by default |
| 07:04.11 | Parsifal | Try changing it to, say, 48000 and see if anything changes |
| 07:04.17 | Silvershadows | I fuck girls |
| 07:04.23 | Silvershadows | I use Linux for porn |
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| 07:04.47 | Silvershadows | Linux doesnt have Blu-ray |
| 07:05.40 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, nothing |
| 07:05.47 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, no change |
| 07:05.56 | Parsifal | Hmm, okay. |
| 07:06.12 | Parsifal | It might be ALSA, it sometimes messes around. |
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| 07:06.16 | Parsifal | Try opening a root terminal and typing "alsa force-reload" |
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| 07:10.13 | sprink | http://debian.pastebin.com/xUZu7gQw |
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| 07:11.13 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, awful just a loud tone noise now |
| 07:12.15 | Parsifal | Well, in that case I'm stumped. I'd suggest asking at the Debian user forums, there's probably someone there who'll know: http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 07:12.43 | Parsifal | Just be as detailed as possible, and mention that you've already tried changing the sample format and sample rate, and restarting ALSA, and it didn't help. |
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| 07:16.54 | ShapeShifter499 | Parsifal, ok thanks |
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| 07:23.14 | mind-moon | hey ya'll |
| 07:23.29 | l3x3l | mind-moon, hey sup man ur in a live chat with linux guru's ;) |
| 07:24.10 | mind-moon | That is neat, I feel special |
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| 07:35.01 | liran | Anyone can tell me which application is recommended for HDD benchmark ? |
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| 07:38.01 | Chriswaterguy | Synaptic isn't downloading for me - I get "Could not resolve 'ftp.de.debian.org' " - could be my connection here. Can I just add another mirror to repos, or do I need to be more careful? |
| 07:38.58 | gnarface | liran: check out hdparm or bonnie++ |
| 07:39.22 | tomkap | Chriswaterguy, try: apt-get update as root |
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| 07:39.38 | tomkap | an your connection/dns servers too |
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| 07:41.58 | Chriswaterguy | tomkap: thanks... went fine until it got to http://ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 07:42.38 | Chriswaterguy | tomkap - it's on "direct connection". Though I just realized there's a fixed IP where I am. Would that be the problem? |
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| 07:51.19 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy can you ping 141.76.2.4 |
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| 08:23.04 | Karen_m | a seperate /boot is all that is required for ext4? I just got a new machine, and thinking of doing ext4 on this box |
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| 08:24.55 | sep | separate boot is allways a nice convinience imho |
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| 08:25.30 | jelly | Karen_m: either that or an updated (= backports) grub-pc |
| 08:25.43 | jelly | backported* |
| 08:26.20 | Karen_m | so install as normal, and then install grub-pc, update-grub , reboot? |
| 08:26.31 | Karen_m | well, using backports for grub-pc |
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| 08:30.01 | bint | hi |
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| 08:33.54 | jelly | Karen_m: I was thinking more of backporting it manually, but the one in backports.debian.org might be new enough to support ext4 as well |
| 08:34.00 | jelly | ,versions grub-pc |
| 08:34.00 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-4; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-4 |
| 08:34.53 | jelly | Karen_m: it'll be a simpler procedure to just use a separate ext3 or ext2 /boot |
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| 08:38.33 | jfer | is it possible to create a deb package from a binary tar.gz or must the source be used? |
| 08:40.51 | Karen_m | jelly, how big should /boot be? |
| 08:41.05 | streuner_ | jfer: is that in Debian? |
| 08:41.17 | jfer | that is a debian package |
| 08:41.27 | streuner_ | jfer: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 08:48.13 | jelly | Karen_m: big enough to fit several kernel+initrd images. 256MB? |
| 08:48.34 | gnarface | you can usually get away with 10 |
| 08:48.49 | gnarface | 256 should be pretty generous unless you're putting lots of non-standard stuff in there |
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| 08:49.17 | gnarface | or a big stack of old kernels |
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| 08:49.50 | jelly | likes having a big stack of kernels |
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| 08:50.22 | jelly | 10MB is scarily low, you need place for at least two kernels |
| 08:50.40 | gnarface | i guess my /boot takes 77 with 4 kernels |
| 08:50.46 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6182784 2009-09-14 15:45 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:50.51 | gnarface | it seems as though those initrd.img files are big |
| 08:50.57 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1506032 2009-08-19 11:48 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:50.59 | gnarface | i didn't used to use them |
| 08:51.12 | jelly | you're not using a distro kernel, then |
| 08:51.13 | gnarface | also something is duplicating mine |
| 08:51.24 | gnarface | *wasn't* using distro kernels |
| 08:51.30 | gnarface | when i was compiling my own 10 was plenty |
| 08:51.43 | gnarface | i just realized looking now the distro kernels with their initrd.img files are much much bigger |
| 08:51.46 | gnarface | sorry |
| 08:51.51 | jelly | the times they are a-changin |
| 08:52.08 | gnarface | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12M Aug 24 2009 initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 08:52.08 | gnarface | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12M Aug 3 2009 initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64.bak |
| 08:52.11 | gnarface | this is annoying too |
| 08:52.19 | gnarface | i don't know what is making those .bak files |
| 08:52.52 | jelly | update-initramfs possibly, though I have not seen mine do so |
| 08:53.23 | jelly | (it's also a good idea to make those, if the newly generated gets broken in some way) |
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| 08:53.28 | gnarface | seems to only be on 26-1 and 30-1 |
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| 08:53.42 | gnarface | but 32-3 and 32-5 show up as different ones too |
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| 08:54.06 | gnarface | so i effectively am actually using like 6 kernels worth of storage space |
| 08:54.08 | gnarface | 77MB |
| 08:54.14 | gnarface | i'd say 256 is a good number |
| 08:54.42 | gnarface | i don't know if them being amd64 kernels will affect the size any |
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| 08:54.56 | jelly | could have as easily said 100MB |
| 08:54.56 | gnarface | or if grub2 takes up more space or anything |
| 08:55.22 | jelly | /boot/grub takes <5MB with all the modules |
| 08:55.47 | gnarface | i'm showing about 4.5 |
| 08:56.04 | jelly | needs to convert all the servers to /boot + lvm to leverage snapshot support in backup software |
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| 09:01.35 | Chriswaterguy | tomkap: sorry, was away. I tried "ping 141.76.2.4" and it responds fine. Still can't connect to ftp.de.debian.org with synaptic |
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| 09:09.29 | Chriswaterguy | is ftp.de.debian.org working for other people? And if it's just my connection (I'm in Indonesia, could be dodgy) can I use a mirror? |
| 09:09.46 | gnarface | works for me |
| 09:10.04 | gnarface | Chriswaterguy: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html this page may be of interest to you |
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| 09:11.06 | gnarface | Chriswaterguy: if you're having a problem specifically with ftp access to the mirrors then it could be a configuration issue with your firewall (or massive incompetence at your ISP) |
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| 09:13.22 | gnarface | Chriswaterguy: you know there is http access as well right? http is often more firewall friendly in real-world tests |
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| 09:18.09 | jlu | hi, where cann i change the fontsize in icedove, especially the list of mails. |
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| 09:20.40 | gnarface | jlu: if you're using gnome there is probably a front-end for it. i don't use gnome so i don't know, i think you can set font sizes for gtk2 apps in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine file though, assuming you know the syntax |
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| 09:21.44 | jlu | gnarface: i'm using openbox. i will have a look the file. |
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| 09:23.24 | Chriswaterguy | gnarface - thanks, I didn't know that. The house I'm at now has a fixed IP on the wifi - my friend's ex set it up, so no problems with blaming him :-) |
| 09:25.43 | Chriswaterguy | gnarface: how would I use http access? download the deb and install? |
| 09:25.59 | Chriswaterguy | Actually I'm getting a lot of errors on debian.org today, but it works sometimes. |
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| 09:28.05 | Days` | HI there , do you know when Squeeze will be released as stable ? |
| 09:28.48 | ethanol | how can I figure out why my machine is not resolving hostnames? |
| 09:29.13 | ethanol | it uses the same nameserver settings as another machine in the rack, which has no problems |
| 09:30.02 | l403 | ethanol, get wireshark. see the DNS packets |
| 09:30.23 | Dewi | I want to use ALSA or OSS like a FIFO |
| 09:30.36 | Dewi | anyone know which is more suited to that? |
| 09:31.12 | Dewi | in other words, I want to connect xmms2 output to darkice input |
| 09:31.18 | tomodachi | ethanol: have you tried with nslookup? |
| 09:31.20 | l403 | ethanol, also try to see the output of dig google.com |
| 09:31.20 | ethanol | l403: eh, anything a bit less raw/to the core? |
| 09:31.27 | ethanol | l403: no result, timeout |
| 09:31.35 | l403 | ethanol, there is nothing raw about wireshark :) |
| 09:31.36 | ethanol | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 09:31.50 | l403 | see /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:31.52 | tomodachi | ethanol: routing issues? or firewall issues |
| 09:32.00 | ethanol | not sure |
| 09:32.12 | l403 | put in this line: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 09:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, look at "man sources.list" or at the examples in file /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 09:32.44 | ethanol | oh holy crap, I think I found it |
| 09:32.56 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.59 | ethanol | but the machine is .227 |
| 09:33.00 | ethanol | :\ |
| 09:33.56 | ethanol | yeah that kinda solved it >< jeebus |
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| 09:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Days` -about wir |
| 09:36.43 | l403 | is generating locales supposed to take +1hour or is it misconfigured and I should remove the languages I dont use? |
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| 09:48.31 | gnarface | Chriswaterguy: no it's as easy as using http:// instead of ftp:// in your /etc/apt/sources.list file assuming http://mirror.debian.org/status.html says the mirror you chose uses both |
| 09:49.04 | gnarface | Chriswaterguy: if it's a cheap ass linksys/netgear type wifi router thingy you might also want to consider just power cycling it for good measure |
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| 09:50.15 | Joelio | Hi, is there any way to disable IPv6 in squeeze without recompiling the kernel? |
| 09:50.17 | white_gecko | hello, I have a strato server with debian and want to configure it so, that I can receive mails on its domainname and the mails should be redirected to an other server e.g. gmail or gmx |
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| 09:51.06 | white_gecko | it shouldn't accept mails which have no entry for redirect |
| 09:51.29 | white_gecko | where could i get information about this scenario? |
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| 09:52.35 | Joelio | I've followed the recommendation to disable via grub.. |
| 09:52.37 | Joelio | vmhost03:~# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 09:52.38 | Joelio | BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/zenbuild-_root ro disable_ipv6=1 quiet |
| 09:52.41 | Joelio | however |
| 09:52.44 | Joelio | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 1219/sshd |
| 09:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Joelio -about disable ipv6 |
| 09:55.00 | Joelio | CutMeOwnThroat: Sure, that's what I've done |
| 09:55.08 | Joelio | stil listening on a v6 socket |
| 09:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Joelio, "ipv6.disable=1 != disable_ipv6=1"? |
| 09:57.18 | Joelio | ahh, sorry |
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| 10:10.55 | coder | mmm, anyone experiencing issues with debian on sparc LDom? |
| 10:12.05 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 10:12.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 10:12.37 | nsadmin | if there is "anyone experiencing issues" it will be documented in the bts |
| 10:13.17 | Joelio | CutMeOwnThroat: Worked a charm, cheers |
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| 10:14.08 | dokma | hey guys how can I tell for which monitor is gtf generating a modeline? |
| 10:14.30 | nsadmin | disconnect all but one |
| 10:14.45 | dokma | nsadmin: are you sure? |
| 10:15.12 | nsadmin | it's certainly worth a try |
| 10:15.16 | dokma | actually I can test... if it generates different modelines with different monitors plugged in then it's correct |
| 10:15.19 | nsadmin | so try it then ask |
| 10:16.06 | tholl583xx | hi, ive been asked to make some changes on a lenny box, and the vi hasn't got erase mapped to backspace and using the arrow keys in edit mode causes it to go to command mode. any suggestions on what I should do to change it |
| 10:16.40 | dokma | nope... same thing with each of the monitors plugged in independently |
| 10:16.52 | dokma | one is VGA other LCD does that matter? |
| 10:17.12 | dokma | that is one CRT other LCD |
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| 10:17.52 | nsadmin | if that's the case then the thing you're using to generate modelines is not using the monitor's edid or other info to generate the modeline |
| 10:17.59 | the-dude | tholl583xx: navigate with hjkl , x to remove or r te replace |
| 10:18.14 | nsadmin | have you looked more closely at the command you're using to generate them? |
| 10:18.30 | jve | Hi, i'm using squeeze and want to change my default soundcard to a usb soundcard. Normally i would use asoundconf but it has been removed from squeeze. What can i do instead? |
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| 10:19.08 | dokma | nsadmin: this is what I tried: gtf 1280 1024 85 |
| 10:19.24 | dokma | it's a dual head setup on HD3450 with CRT on VGA and LCD on DVI |
| 10:19.26 | ChesterX | hi, I was wondering if I could install ubuntu apps on backtrack as both are based on linux? |
| 10:19.37 | stew | jve: check /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 10:19.49 | dokma | but I can sense that CRT is on low refresh because when I look away from it I can see flicker and it's bothering the eyes |
| 10:20.18 | stew | ChesterX: perhaps ask #backtrack or ##linux |
| 10:20.25 | stew | ChesterX: we only support debian here |
| 10:21.31 | ChesterX | stew, ok. I though as they are based on debian this would be the right place to ask ^^ |
| 10:21.37 | stew | ChesterX: or i guess #backtrack-linux |
| 10:22.01 | stew | ChesterX: yeah, sorry, we only suport debian here, not "based on debian" |
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| 10:22.16 | ChesterX | stew, got it ;-) thank you |
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| 10:27.58 | ethanol | do you guys reckon most 3ware-8xxxx and 9xxxx cards are interchangeable? as in, if I replace the card, will my drives still work? |
| 10:28.37 | jelly | ethanol: read the documentation on the newer one? |
| 10:28.55 | ethanol | uh |
| 10:29.00 | ethanol | I have no documentation |
| 10:29.07 | ethanol | it's in a server that's lying around |
| 10:29.18 | ethanol | and the other one is in a production server but seems broken |
| 10:29.24 | jelly | I bet the vendor has a web site |
| 10:29.53 | ethanol | :< was hoping someone here maybe had tried this before, but google it shall be |
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| 10:32.09 | Chriswaterguy | gnarface, thanks |
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| 10:33.20 | Chriswaterguy | gnarface, I might leave it till I'm on another connection tomorrow, but that's very useful info and I'm putting it my notes. |
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| 10:34.43 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy can you ping 141.76.2.4 |
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| 10:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also tias |
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| 10:50.45 | frantik | hello |
| 10:52.05 | frantik | i am looking for an etch sources.list.. |
| 10:54.37 | frantik | i kinda have a gpg error .. |
| 10:54.47 | frantik | (trying to update a very old server) |
| 10:56.09 | Kvant | frantik, /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 10:56.24 | frantik | hmm |
| 10:56.32 | frantik | found a sources.list .. |
| 10:56.36 | frantik | fixing a gpg error |
| 10:57.15 | nsadmin | if you wanted to you could upgrade to lenny... |
| 10:57.15 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: ping 141.76.2.4 works fine - what does that tell me? (Btw I can load Debian.org on my mobile phone but not on my laptop... so if I'm desperate I can tether my laptop to my phone later). |
| 10:57.31 | frantik | nsadmin, next step |
| 10:57.36 | frantik | but there is like tons of shit |
| 10:57.48 | frantik | so i am ensuring an update to a proper etch |
| 10:57.55 | frantik | to then have a smooth upgrade |
| 10:58.00 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy: that you can reach ftp.de.debian.org |
| 10:58.07 | frantik | (sorry for the language..) |
| 10:58.35 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, is laptop using a different connection ? |
| 10:58.46 | frantik | (ie phone on 3g and not the laptop) |
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| 10:59.01 | nsadmin | and if you're still not able to ping by name, it's probably because your resolv.conf doesn't contain a reachable dns server |
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| 11:02.08 | stew | ethanol: i've gone from 6xxx and 7xxxx to 8xxxx without problems. I've also found their phone support quite helpful, even with very old cards I bought on ebay |
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| 11:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | frantik, right... /msg dpkg etch->lenny - getting an up-to-date etch _is_ the first step :) |
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| 11:05.29 | frantik | CutMeOwnThroat, that is obvious ^ |
| 11:05.30 | frantik | ^ ^ |
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| 11:08.00 | ethanol | stew: thanks for the message. though I just logged in on the machine and tw_cli says its a 8006-2lp. same can be found on the card lying around here. so I figure things will be fine :) |
| 11:09.19 | frantik | abrotman must be tired, he havent biten a newb yet |
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| 11:10.35 | sprink | anyone willing to test the security and limitations of a server of mine |
| 11:10.41 | sprink | if I give them a user? |
| 11:10.43 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin - that's odd then, if the pings go smoothly but apt-get fails. Any idea why that would be? Maybe I should get my friend to change her fixed IP wifi setup? |
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| 11:11.08 | Chriswaterguy | frantik: my laptop is on a home wifi, and my phone is on a 3G network |
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| 11:11.51 | Chriswaterguy | and xchat isn't making any noise, so I don't hear when anyone responds. And changing it is confusing - gonna look for an fancier IRC client. |
| 11:11.52 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, change dns |
| 11:12.01 | frantik | in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:12.06 | Chriswaterguy | frantik: what to? |
| 11:12.08 | frantik | and in /etc/network/options |
| 11:12.12 | frantik | whatever dns |
| 11:12.15 | frantik | opendns for example |
| 11:12.32 | frantik | http://www.opendns.com/ |
| 11:12.58 | frantik | (also to be noted that opendns is a nice filtering alternative to intrusive software) |
| 11:13.55 | Chriswaterguy | frantik, my /etc/resolv.conf says nameserver 202.134.0.155 - that updates itself whenever I connect, I assume? |
| 11:14.11 | frantik | are you using dhcp ? |
| 11:14.52 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy: try this... |
| 11:15.18 | Chriswaterguy | frantik: i don't know what dhcp is |
| 11:15.30 | nsadmin | ping ftp.de.debian.org |
| 11:15.31 | Chriswaterguy | frantik: /etc/network/options doesn't exist |
| 11:15.41 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, ps auxw|grep dhc |
| 11:15.49 | nsadmin | but /etc/network/interfaces should |
| 11:16.25 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: "ping: unknown host ftp.de.debian.org" |
| 11:16.50 | nsadmin | if that ping does not work, then the problem is definitely that something is wrong with the laptop's ability to turn names like ftp.de.d.o into the numeric IP |
| 11:17.15 | Chriswaterguy | frantic: ps auxw|grep dhc gives: "USERNAME 11974 0.0 0.0 3300 764 pts/1 S+ 18:16 0:00 grep dhc" |
| 11:17.24 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin, ah, ok. |
| 11:17.26 | nsadmin | try pinging the name server: ping 202.134.0.155 |
| 11:17.30 | frantik | k so you're not using dhcp |
| 11:18.12 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: nameserver pings fine |
| 11:19.00 | nsadmin | ok, does dig exist? try: dig @202.134.0.155 ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 11:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes you wonder if 202.134.0.155 is a nameserver |
| 11:19.33 | nsadmin | yeah me too |
| 11:20.22 | nsadmin | ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available |
| 11:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it is, but not a public one |
| 11:20.45 | nsadmin | it is a name server but doesn't do recursive lookup |
| 11:21.07 | nsadmin | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 20549 |
| 11:21.31 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: "bash: dig: command not found" |
| 11:21.34 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, dig A debian.org |
| 11:21.40 | frantik | Arf |
| 11:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nslookup on that server gives me REFUSED |
| 11:21.44 | nsadmin | ok, so you don't have a copy of dig |
| 11:21.56 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: meetoo |
| 11:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | frantik, nslookup ftp.debian.org 202.134.0.155 |
| 11:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | frantik, also, in general /msg dpkg installit |
| 11:22.35 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy can't install until he can resolve the IP |
| 11:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't like the confusing output of dig anyway |
| 11:23.00 | nsadmin | it's not so confusing when you realize it's in zonefile format |
| 11:23.19 | Chriswaterguy | really appreciate the help... |
| 11:23.21 | nsadmin | everything is commented out tho :) |
| 11:23.34 | Chriswaterguy | I should say it's not critical for me right now (I can tether to my phone instead) but if my friend should fix her connection, that would be good to know. |
| 11:23.37 | nsadmin | so that name server isn't doing the job for ya |
| 11:24.11 | nsadmin | let's try something a bit radical... |
| 11:24.25 | nsadmin | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, well... you got hung up on the recursion bit, although the recursion didn't happen because access was refused on general principles... |
| 11:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me the output managed to confuse you :) |
| 11:25.09 | nsadmin | well I didn't evaluate it except to determine "it didn't work" |
| 11:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, what did the nslook command I gave you say? |
| 11:25.27 | nsadmin | either way that name server won't work |
| 11:25.48 | nsadmin | if he doesn't have dig, maybe not nslookup either |
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| 11:26.10 | nsadmin | I think they're both in dnsutils |
| 11:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I think that's part of some network package that is installed by default |
| 11:26.34 | nsadmin | nslookup being deprecated |
| 11:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you're right... both in dnsutils |
| 11:26.47 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe they undeprecated it |
| 11:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | windows/dos has it! |
| 11:27.16 | nsadmin | oh goody :) |
| 11:27.27 | nsadmin | let's force her to use that! |
| 11:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of the unix commands that works there! |
| 11:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 11:27.39 | sdschulze | What about "host"? |
| 11:27.53 | sdschulze | quite similar to nslookup |
| 11:27.53 | nsadmin | notices someone noticably cringing in the background... |
| 11:28.16 | nsadmin | it's ok, we're kidding, we're not going to make you use windows |
| 11:28.30 | sdschulze | I got that part. :) |
| 11:28.30 | Chriswaterguy | wipes forehead |
| 11:28.44 | nsadmin | I think host is also in dnsutils |
| 11:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !opendns |
| 11:28.52 | dpkg | OpenDNS is a service allowing faster and more secure DNS resolution. Uses the nameservers 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. http://www.opendns.com/ #opendns on irc.oftc.net. See also <googledns>, <override dns>. |
| 11:28.53 | sdschulze | obviously |
| 11:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... in host or in bind9-host |
| 11:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, change the nameserver IP in /etc/resolv.conf for that one... |
| 11:29.31 | sdschulze | hm, right |
| 11:29.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | for now |
| 11:29.55 | sdschulze | nslookup doesn't think it's deprecated any more for me. |
| 11:30.06 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, so edit /etc/apt/sources.list and everywhere you see ftp.de.debian.org, change it to 141.76.2.4 |
| 11:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's some good reasons to not use opendns, or so some people think, but you can choose something else when things are back working |
| 11:30.14 | Chriswaterguy | CutMeOwnThroat: nslookup ftp.debian.org 202.134.0.155 --> "bash: nslookup: command not found" (sorry thought you were talking to someone else) |
| 11:30.28 | nsadmin | usually one doesn't know that one's self is deprecated :) |
| 11:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, right... we already figured you don't have that either |
| 11:30.44 | Chriswaterguy | if it's a nameserver problem, will power cycling the modem fix it? |
| 11:30.54 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 11:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, no, doing what I just said will fix it |
| 11:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I said it |
| 11:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am sometimes like this... |
| 11:31.39 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Is she behind a weird firewall? |
| 11:31.46 | frantik | can you sum up the things he tried ? i got a full page of buffer gibberish.. |
| 11:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder how that dns sevrver got there in the first place if dhcp isn't used, though |
| 11:32.20 | nsadmin | well he should back up sources.list before changing it, because once we install resolvconf package and edit /etc/network/interfaces, then you'll have a solid net again |
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| 11:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | frantik, ping works, host lookups not... simple |
| 11:32.50 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, is she open to understanding what these files are all about? |
| 11:32.55 | frantik | ifup / down tried ? |
| 11:33.07 | frantik | (with warning him to reconnect next) |
| 11:33.19 | sdschulze | thinks too many people are talking at the same time. |
| 11:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... too many cooks ekzetara |
| 11:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 11:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdschulze, I just thought I could more productively use my time by taking a shower now :) |
| 11:34.00 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin - she's semi-geeky and semi-open :-). But if it's relevant, my laptop is Debian, her computer is Windows. |
| 11:34.09 | frantik | sdschulze, you're right, i should be getting back to listen to thrash metal and masturbate to kittens xD |
| 11:34.09 | nsadmin | what I'd like to see is a caching dns server running on the laptop |
| 11:34.13 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 11:34.44 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: As some people may have joined, maybe restate your problem from the beginning? |
| 11:34.48 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, and it's your laptop that's not resolving names, and her machine is? |
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| 11:35.08 | jelly | nsadmin: that can be arranged as simply as installing dnscache-run or pdnsd or other caching dns of one's preference |
| 11:35.14 | frantik | nsadmin, on his 3G Phone he's able to reach a debian server (unsure) but not on his wifi laptop |
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| 11:35.42 | nsadmin | oh ok, sounds like the connection of the two are totally different |
| 11:35.43 | sdschulze | What the setup is, what you/she are/is trying to do, what does not work. |
| 11:35.59 | sdschulze | (and what does) |
| 11:36.07 | nsadmin | sdschulze: we got this... will summarize when we're done |
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| 11:36.46 | nsadmin | otherwise cook = cook + 1 |
| 11:37.30 | Chriswaterguy | ok. I can't do apt-get anything. "Could not resolve 'ftp.de.debian.org'" Can't successfully ping the server either. But I can ping the numerical address successfully. So I think we decided there's a nameserver problem.... |
| 11:37.57 | Chriswaterguy | now, I wonder if it's something to do with the static IP address on the modem/router here, and if changing that would solve it. |
| 11:37.59 | jelly | Chriswaterguy: so put an entry in /etc/hosts in the meantime |
| 11:38.01 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, change the .de. to .fr. |
| 11:38.06 | frantik | and run an aptitude update |
| 11:38.11 | frantik | just for curioisity |
| 11:38.13 | nsadmin | the nameserver is a nameserver, but it's refusing to do certain things, like recursive query |
| 11:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdschulze, I already summarized only 1 minute ago... |
| 11:38.35 | jelly | nsadmin: then the user is using the wrong nameserver. |
| 11:38.35 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:38.36 | nsadmin | frantik: the name server isn't working, that's the point of failure |
| 11:38.54 | frantik | nsadmin, that or his ISP have troubles reaching the german server |
| 11:38.56 | nsadmin | jelly: we could try to find out why... |
| 11:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the nameserver is a nameserver, but it's not a public one and it's doubtful he can connect, because he doesn't have dnsutils installed |
| 11:39.06 | Chriswaterguy | how about I power cycle the modem & router then revisit you all? |
| 11:39.12 | nsadmin | frantik: ruled that out. he can reach it |
| 11:39.19 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, you do that, it can't kill |
| 11:39.32 | Chriswaterguy | k, back in 2 minutes |
| 11:39.34 | jelly | nsadmin: there are two main _different_ nameserver functions; they're not all the same. There are authoritative nameservers, and recursors (usually caching) |
| 11:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chriswaterguy, if it makes you feel better about anything... |
| 11:39.48 | jelly | er, CutMeOwnThroat ^^ |
| 11:39.51 | nsadmin | yes I understand |
| 11:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, yes? |
| 11:40.11 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: I don't think powercycling helps anything. |
| 11:40.11 | frantik | CutMeOwnThroat, some internet "box" runs on busybox and i know for sure some have dns caching problems |
| 11:40.15 | BrainDamage | Hello, I have a small debian lenny installation in a chroot, the system is a small embedded arm-based one; I'd like to switch to squeeze, but I'd having issues after I switched the names in the sources.list; now I get W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-arm/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?); (tried multiple mirrors and the |
| 11:40.28 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: nameserver isn't just a nameserver |
| 11:40.32 | frantik | (my previous provider had this.. i had to force a firmware upgrade) |
| 11:40.48 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Replace the contents of /etc/resolv.conf with the following line: "nameserver 8.8.8.8". |
| 11:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, a nameserver that refuses connections is one you can't use, though |
| 11:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hold by that |
| 11:41.09 | nsadmin | frantik: you're not listening... he can reach ftp.de.d.o by numeric IP |
| 11:41.14 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: can't use as a recursor, that's for sure |
| 11:41.36 | nsadmin | so... it's not the modem, not the wireless. the physical connection is definitely ok |
| 11:41.37 | frantik | nsadmin, <frantik> nsadmin, that or his ISP have troubles reaching the german server <- could be the provider DNS in my interpretation |
| 11:41.48 | jelly | nsadmin: he's saying that the router, if used as a recursor, may be buggy |
| 11:42.01 | frantik | which is often (in europe germany and france in particular) handled by the boxes |
| 11:42.08 | frantik | for a pseudo faster connection |
| 11:42.11 | jelly | also here in .hr |
| 11:42.23 | nsadmin | oh well that could have been, but dig output shows the name server he |
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| 11:42.47 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, reboot your box, restart laptop, and come back ;) |
| 11:42.53 | jelly | nsadmin: are you using the same provider as Chriswaterguy? |
| 11:42.55 | nsadmin | has in resolv.conf doesn't do normal lookups... it's actually refuxing something |
| 11:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it's not unusual to restrict the use of dns servers these days... my 1st universities one 134.34.3.2 - I think it used to be open 10 years ago... but try now and you get the exact same response |
| 11:42.57 | frantik | we'll start back on that |
| 11:43.01 | nsadmin | no |
| 11:43.05 | stew | BrainDamage: yes, squeeze will no longer have the arm arch, it will have armel still, however |
| 11:43.21 | jelly | nsadmin: then you can't make a judgement whether the recursor works for him |
| 11:43.25 | frantik | CutMeOwnThroat, agreed, i made a filtering solution based on opendns 3 weeks ago for an hostel |
| 11:43.36 | nsadmin | at present we can't determine what the name server is doing for him since he can't install packages |
| 11:43.52 | nsadmin | but a fair assumption is it's not behaving properly |
| 11:44.08 | BrainDamage | stew: do you know how I could rename the arch to armel? |
| 11:44.12 | frantik | yeah it can't kill to have the hardware freshly restarted tho |
| 11:44.39 | stew | BrainDamage: its not a compatible arch, arm was bigendian, armel is little endian |
| 11:44.40 | frantik | BrainDamage, wrong mirror |
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| 11:44.53 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: recursors are vulnerable to cache poisoning; limiting the attack surface is useful |
| 11:44.54 | BrainDamage | aw, crap :/ |
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| 11:45.05 | stew | frantik: its the official security repository, no mirror of it would have arm |
| 11:45.07 | frantik | BrainDamage, its plain and simple, you choosed the wrong mirror, i tried to adapt my lenny sources.list before for my etch problem and i had this issue |
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| 11:45.28 | BrainDamage | frantik: not at all, I've tried 5 different mirrors |
| 11:45.32 | frantik | o_0 |
| 11:45.49 | Chriswaterguy | k, I'm back |
| 11:45.53 | frantik | BrainDamage, pastebin sources.list, and run aptitude clean (or autoclean) |
| 11:45.58 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry s/recursors/caching dns servers/ is more correct; if it's not caching, obviously there can be no cache poisoning attack ;-) |
| 11:46.17 | BrainDamage | frantik: did you miss the convo about arm architecture changes? |
| 11:46.40 | Chriswaterguy | I left just as CutMeOwnThroat said "Chriswaterguy, if it makes you feel better about anything..." |
| 11:46.41 | jelly | Chriswaterguy: does it work now? |
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| 11:47.03 | stew | frantik: we dropped the arm arch. he's trying to upgrade to a release that doesn't contain this arch, so no mirror is going to have the Packages |
| 11:47.04 | frantik | BrainDamage, i do read you have a chrooted arm systemn, is that correct ? |
| 11:47.32 | BrainDamage | frantik: correct |
| 11:47.39 | frantik | hmm |
| 11:47.43 | BrainDamage | and what stew said pretty much answers me |
| 11:47.44 | frantik | there is a barbaric solution |
| 11:47.47 | Chriswaterguy | jelly: still can't install. |
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| 11:47.59 | BrainDamage | I'd have to compile everything |
| 11:47.59 | frantik | BrainDamage, ever did a local repository ? ;) |
| 11:48.09 | BrainDamage | nope |
| 11:48.13 | jelly | Chriswaterguy: can you use ftp.fr.debian.org instead? |
| 11:48.35 | frantik | if the change is only a name change, you could do a local repository of arm and update from local |
| 11:48.51 | stew | frantik: are you suggesting that he do all the arm porting himself (that debian couldn't find enough volunteers to do) |
| 11:48.54 | frantik | altough it will require some disk space and a bit of rsync knowledge.. |
| 11:49.02 | BrainDamage | according to what stew said, it changes from big endian to small endian |
| 11:49.12 | BrainDamage | which means completely incompatible |
| 11:49.14 | jelly | stew: nothing like rebuilding a debian archive for a custom distro! |
| 11:49.16 | stew | frantik: he'd also have to build the source packages |
| 11:49.19 | jelly | custom arch, sorry |
| 11:49.21 | frantik | stew, no, suggesting that if the release can still be upgraded, he build a local repo |
| 11:49.21 | stew | frantik: and do some porting |
| 11:49.27 | Chriswaterguy | jelly: long shot - I can't connect to debian.org at all (I think I got one subpage once today, but I might be wrong) |
| 11:49.31 | nsadmin | we gotta verify his dns is functioning... you guys n gals are bangin yer head against the wall... |
| 11:49.33 | stew | frantik: where does he get the packages to populate this repo? |
| 11:49.34 | nsadmin | repeatedly... |
| 11:49.38 | stew | frantik: he'd have to build them himself |
| 11:49.41 | frantik | stew, wait, the arm totally dropped ? |
| 11:49.45 | stew | frantik: YES |
| 11:49.50 | frantik | OW |
| 11:49.58 | frantik | BrainDamage, you are basicalled screwed |
| 11:49.59 | jelly | Chriswaterguy: add a line with "141.76.2.4 ftp.de.debian.org" to your /etc/hosts file |
| 11:50.02 | frantik | do a LFS |
| 11:50.04 | BrainDamage | I got that much |
| 11:50.11 | BrainDamage | I'd have to check gentoo |
| 11:50.14 | frantik | >___< |
| 11:50.17 | Chriswaterguy | what if I edit the nameserver in /etc/network/options ? |
| 11:50.21 | BrainDamage | but it'd take years |
| 11:50.26 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Did you put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" at the beginning of your resolv.conf? |
| 11:50.27 | BrainDamage | to build everything in that system |
| 11:50.28 | jelly | Chriswaterguy: then do an update, and install the dnsutils package |
| 11:50.29 | nsadmin | that's actually a good idea, quick, dirty, works |
| 11:50.30 | frantik | stew, who's the stupids who decided to ??? |
| 11:50.34 | BrainDamage | and I really cba to cross compile |
| 11:50.37 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: /etc/network/options is deprecated. |
| 11:50.51 | abrotman | frantik: there is still armel |
| 11:50.52 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: which was the good idea? |
| 11:51.08 | frantik | abrotman, well my question then, can he switch to it ? |
| 11:51.13 | nsadmin | <jelly> Chriswaterguy: add a line with "141.76.2.4 ftp.de.debian.org" to your /etc/hosts file |
| 11:51.23 | abrotman | frantik: i don't know his hardware .. NFC |
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| 11:51.33 | Chriswaterguy | <sdschulze>: ok, but is the nameserver listed there the one that I'm using? |
| 11:51.38 | frantik | abrotman, chrooted install... so we're in theorical field.. |
| 11:51.46 | abrotman | chrooted on what? |
| 11:51.49 | abrotman | another ARM install? |
| 11:51.52 | BrainDamage | yes |
| 11:51.54 | frantik | BrainDamage, dude, answer |
| 11:51.55 | BrainDamage | I'll check the hw specs |
| 11:51.56 | frantik | :p |
| 11:51.58 | Chriswaterguy | <sdschulze>: oops, sorry, wrong filename! |
| 11:52.01 | abrotman | i don't know enough about armel on arm or if it would implode |
| 11:52.05 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: /etc/resolv.conf defines the nameserver. |
| 11:52.17 | stew | frantik: why was it stupid to drop arm? |
| 11:52.17 | frantik | BrainDamage, btw |
| 11:52.29 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, once you put that line in your /etc/hosts, you'll have a reference to the ip of that machine |
| 11:52.30 | BrainDamage | gimme few mins to check hw specs please |
| 11:52.36 | nsadmin | then you can install packages |
| 11:52.36 | wieshka | has anybody advanced experience with mikrotik router boards ? |
| 11:52.48 | frantik | no fucking LFS or gentoo, for real use an openbsd for replacement, thats the least you can do to honorate the hardware :P |
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| 11:52.50 | abrotman | stew: i get the feeling he thought there was no arm/armel at all anymore |
| 11:53.18 | stew | frantik: i suppose the debian release team is the "stupids" that decided what is required for an arch to be releasable. which is that we need volunteers to do the porting and we need buildds that can keep up |
| 11:53.24 | Chriswaterguy | so... should have said: what if I edit the nameserver in resolv.conf? |
| 11:53.53 | frantik | stew, maybe debian is too fat then |
| 11:53.57 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: That's the idea. |
| 11:54.05 | stew | frantik: what does that mean? |
| 11:54.17 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" there. |
| 11:54.22 | frantik | stew, i mean a sub project lighter could have been put on project ? |
| 11:54.29 | stew | frantik: what is a sub project lighter? |
| 11:54.39 | abrotman | stew: they're still releasing armel for squeeze right? |
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| 11:54.43 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 11:54.48 | abrotman | so the problem is? |
| 11:54.57 | stew | abrotman: no idea |
| 11:55.02 | frantik | stew, a base release with the good old decent server features smtp/http/ftp and the base services. |
| 11:55.09 | stew | frantik: we have that |
| 11:55.10 | frantik | something like that |
| 11:55.11 | abrotman | frantik: WTF is wrong with armel ? |
| 11:55.28 | frantik | abrotman, i don't know about armel, just got the news |
| 11:55.33 | stew | frantik: if you think we should be keeping arm, who is going to do the porting work to arm? |
| 11:55.35 | abrotman | so why are you still whining? |
| 11:55.52 | stew | frantik: and by that i mean keeping both arm (aka armeb) and armel |
| 11:55.57 | abrotman | frantik: if you don't know what you're talking about, go learn before you keep wasting stew's time whining |
| 11:56.00 | frantik | stew, there is no more contributors ?? |
| 11:56.25 | frantik | abrotman, duh i got an arm machine that i use to go on demoscenes sometimes |
| 11:56.40 | frantik | (along a raq4 running lenny, my personnal proud thingy) |
| 11:56.43 | stew | frantik: not enough people that are interested in keeping arm, since people are all switching to armel |
| 11:56.48 | abrotman | frantik: there is an ARM port, it is armel, armeb is dead .. |
| 11:57.17 | frantik | abrotman, ok then i retire what i've said |
| 11:57.20 | Chriswaterguy | ok, so I added the line in hosts, and I'm downloading, thank you! |
| 11:57.23 | BrainDamage | CPU: FA526id(wb) [66015261] revision 1 (ARMv4) |
| 11:57.25 | frantik | got confused at a point |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | and really, BrainDamage should probably go to #debian-arm to get help .. |
| 11:57.42 | BrainDamage | I didn't know that debian-arm existed, sorry |
| 11:57.42 | frantik | well, he did read your sentence i think |
| 11:57.47 | BrainDamage | I mean the channel |
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| 11:57.55 | stew | BrainDamage: on irc.debian.org, not here |
| 11:57.58 | abrotman | BrainDamage: what is the base OS? |
| 11:58.05 | BrainDamage | a weird custom os |
| 11:58.11 | BrainDamage | that I didn't make |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | gotcha .. |
| 11:58.22 | BrainDamage | but has no package system |
| 11:58.34 | abrotman | BrainDamage: so your first stop would be to see if your hardware would support debian at all (armel), secondly if you can some ohw convert what you have |
| 11:58.36 | jelly | BrainDamage: that chip (well, SoC) doesn't support armel |
| 11:58.36 | frantik | hmmm |
| 11:58.43 | sdschulze | I've only had problems with chroot. |
| 11:58.50 | frantik | i'm fishing here, but isn't there is some armel live cd or something ? |
| 11:58.52 | abrotman | or ask jelly! |
| 11:59.10 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: It works? |
| 11:59.13 | BrainDamage | jelly: thanks |
| 11:59.27 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: yes, thanks! |
| 11:59.28 | jelly | it's an arm4t thingy, I have a cheap NAS with it |
| 11:59.32 | Chriswaterguy | Adding to /etc/hosts feels very ad hoc though |
| 11:59.37 | abrotman | frantik: there are very few ARM systems with a CD attached .. there is a USB one though I believe |
| 11:59.40 | BrainDamage | yup, mine is a NAS too |
| 11:59.47 | Raptors | Does gnome mplayer have hardware acceleration? |
| 11:59.51 | BrainDamage | I added all sort of crap in it |
| 12:00.05 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: So is adding to resolv.conf. Next time you connect, your router will probably overwrite it. |
| 12:00.07 | frantik | abrotman, got a scsi card with mine with a serial ata |
| 12:00.08 | jelly | BrainDamage: I just put an etch arm chroot, and that's it |
| 12:00.15 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: So try to fix your router. |
| 12:00.41 | BrainDamage | thing is, there's several packages I could use which are not in old stable |
| 12:00.44 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Look in your /etc/network/interfaces: Does it say DHCP? |
| 12:00.55 | BrainDamage | that's why I wanted to switch to testing |
| 12:01.15 | frantik | BrainDamage, you can always start to manage the system by hand if you can |
| 12:02.00 | frantik | kiind of a no win-win situation :/ |
| 12:02.07 | BrainDamage | yeah, at that point I'd switch to a distro which was made entirely for such |
| 12:02.22 | BrainDamage | but I'm not sure if have the time/will for that |
| 12:02.35 | BrainDamage | so I guess I'll stick with what I have, and limited functionality |
| 12:02.41 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: no dhcp |
| 12:02.50 | frantik | BrainDamage, or be inventive ^ |
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| 12:03.00 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: but static IP address? |
| 12:03.20 | BrainDamage | there's technical limitations to creativity |
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| 12:03.37 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: re fix router - I was asking before, would changing the static IP address to automatic fix the problem? |
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| 12:03.43 | SparFux | Hi |
| 12:03.55 | BrainDamage | thanks all for your help btw |
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| 12:04.15 | frantik | BrainDamage, wait |
| 12:04.26 | frantik | stupid again but, android ? |
| 12:04.29 | Chriswaterguy | my friend's computer's browser can't connect to debian.org either - I assume it's a router/modem level issue. |
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| 12:04.53 | BrainDamage | my nas already struggles with it's specs |
| 12:05.00 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: It would rather make it worse... |
| 12:05.00 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, go to the management and check dns settings there |
| 12:05.04 | BrainDamage | I don't think that adding the weight of a jvm would help |
| 12:05.23 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: So in your /etc/network/interfaces, there is a static IP address specified? |
| 12:05.46 | frantik | BrainDamage, trash the thing and spend 80 in a old p4 |
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| 12:05.59 | BrainDamage | the thing uses 2W |
| 12:06.08 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten by DHCP. |
| 12:06.14 | frantik | you'll walk more to compensate |
| 12:06.39 | BrainDamage | I'm not concerned about environement, I'm concerned about the bill :p |
| 12:06.49 | frantik | well |
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| 12:06.57 | frantik | less gas usage = more money for other bills |
| 12:06.58 | frantik | :D |
| 12:07.17 | BrainDamage | execept I don't have a car :) |
| 12:07.29 | BrainDamage | I'm a poor student :P |
| 12:07.34 | frantik | haha |
| 12:08.00 | frantik | buy an hard drive and put it in an external usb case |
| 12:08.08 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: static IP had to be specified when setting up my network connection |
| 12:08.17 | frantik | true crypt iot :p |
| 12:08.38 | BrainDamage | that's what my nas is using, the hd is in a usb case |
| 12:08.56 | BrainDamage | not best for speed, but I can detach it and carry with me if necessary |
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| 12:08.56 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: on the computer? |
| 12:08.58 | frantik | we used true crypted +lvm crypt drives on anti otan manifestation camp :P |
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| 12:09.39 | frantik | (to no end finally because cops would rather beat us than to take the net cofee tent :D) |
| 12:09.58 | BrainDamage | all hits for "anti otan" are in french |
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| 12:10.11 | frantik | search anti-nato |
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| 12:10.41 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: not sure I follow - when getting the wifi to work here, any computer needs to have address, netmask, gateway and DNS defined. My friend has the numbers. |
| 12:11.19 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, honestly ? |
| 12:11.49 | frantik | 1) hard reset router to factory |
| 12:11.57 | frantik | 2) redefine ruleset for network |
| 12:12.03 | frantik | 3) reconfigure computers |
| 12:12.09 | frantik | and you're done |
| 12:12.12 | stew | 4) stop hitting enter so much |
| 12:12.20 | frantik | your friend didn't do a good job thats about it :D |
| 12:12.33 | nsadmin | frantik: NO, the router WORKS |
| 12:12.34 | frantik | stew: it makes a list looks like a list :P |
| 12:12.44 | frantik | nsadmin, not as intended |
| 12:12.52 | frantik | apparently |
| 12:12.54 | SparFux | The wine packages in debian, even sid, and the beta packages of winehq, seem reallly outdated. |
| 12:12.59 | nsadmin | the physical connect WORKS FINE, that's what the router is supposed to do\ |
| 12:13.05 | frantik | since he had to add an host file |
| 12:13.12 | frantik | a line* |
| 12:13.22 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: OK; if it stops working, just come back. |
| 12:13.38 | nsadmin | -do not- reset the router unless you want to risk days of downtime while you explain to your ISP why you did that |
| 12:13.56 | frantik | nsadmin, they're pre-configured |
| 12:14.20 | frantik | there is a reset mode to have it getting whole updated from the local DSLAM |
| 12:14.43 | nsadmin | the router is working... don't reset it |
| 12:14.45 | frantik | it will be configured as a regumar box, probably with dhcp and static ip will not be any trouble |
| 12:14.59 | frantik | its why there is a mode for it :D |
| 12:15.47 | Chriswaterguy | thanks people |
| 12:15.53 | moo____t | also known as the "Ooops I screwed it all" rescue button. |
| 12:15.57 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, up to you anyway, tell your friend for sure to do something |
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| 12:16.17 | Chriswaterguy | frantik, it was my friend's ex, so it's considered ok to say it was a bad job :-) |
| 12:16.32 | frantik | moo____t, or the "oops i put my router in not-act as gateway and it screwed it xD" |
| 12:16.37 | Chriswaterguy | from looking at that list, I think the solution is "call a geeky friend." but I'll note those steps. |
| 12:16.41 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, her connection is working fine including dns, right? |
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| 12:17.34 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, your friend is a girl right ? |
| 12:17.37 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: normally I don't have a problem here, but occasionally can't connect to a site. |
| 12:17.47 | Chriswaterguy | frantik: yes. |
| 12:18.04 | nsadmin | about 45 mins ago I was under the impression that it was her connection that didn't work, but it's actually that you can't while you're connecting to her network, is that right? |
| 12:18.09 | frantik | Chriswaterguy, tell her to hit irc if she's on geeks ;D i live near germany btw ^__^ |
| 12:18.30 | nsadmin | if that's the case... do NOT touch the modem, it's working fine |
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| 12:18.40 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: her browser can't connect to debian.org either, so my guess is it's the router. could be wrong. |
| 12:18.47 | frantik | let his geeky friend that will come deal with it :D |
| 12:19.02 | Chriswaterguy | frantic: I'll tell her that - it's only about 15,000 km away ;-) |
| 12:19.14 | frantik | haha |
| 12:19.25 | frantik | owned :D |
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| 12:20.03 | frantik | guys it was fun to mess around |
| 12:20.19 | frantik | thanks for the help but my servers are crying :D |
| 12:20.23 | frantik | see ya |
| 12:20.24 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: I've always been able to use apt-get and synaptic before, since installing a few weeks ago. Just here today I had the problem. |
| 12:20.44 | Chriswaterguy | my friend I promised to review a report for will be crying too actually... |
| 12:20.49 | Chriswaterguy | thanks frantik |
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| 12:21.21 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy: if I'm not mistaken, the problem is in your machine not her connection |
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| 12:22.27 | nsadmin | with the entry added to /etc/hosts, can you now install packages? |
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| 12:24.06 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:24.34 | nsadmin | good :) so you should be able to run aptitude update |
| 12:24.43 | nsadmin | you should probably install dnsutils |
| 12:25.03 | nsadmin | which will give you host, nslookup, dig |
| 12:25.04 | pzn | offtopic: does anyone know a place to report bugs in google webmaster tools? it does not recognize my country toplevel domains correctly. |
| 12:25.41 | nsadmin | google doesn't know google?! |
| 12:25.42 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: yes, running apt-get update now |
| 12:25.50 | abrotman | pzn: ask #google maybe? |
| 12:25.52 | Chriswaterguy | k, doing that |
| 12:25.59 | nsadmin | are you running debian lenny? |
| 12:26.32 | nsadmin | if so you should probably consider aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 12:26.46 | pzn | abrotman, thanks, I already tried #google, but nobody answers there... |
| 12:26.51 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: I thought that was a nameserver problem...? So if we figure out why I have a dodgy nameserver listed, have we nearly solved it? |
| 12:26.55 | Karen_m | versions grub |
| 12:26.58 | abrotman | that doesn't mean you sohuld ask #debian |
| 12:27.00 | Karen_m | how do you do that? |
| 12:27.00 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: running squeeze (via CrunchBang Statler) |
| 12:27.20 | Karen_m | !versions grub |
| 12:27.22 | nsadmin | well so far we've temporarily kludged around it |
| 12:27.26 | Karen_m | .versions grub |
| 12:27.35 | nsadmin | komma, karen |
| 12:27.41 | Karen_m | ,versions grub |
| 12:27.44 | judd | grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-63; squeeze: 0.97-63 |
| 12:27.47 | Karen_m | thank you |
| 12:28.09 | nsadmin | komma komma kamileon? |
| 12:28.27 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: I've only ever had the problem here, and my friend can't connect to debian.org on her browser. Seems to be a least some evidence that it's the connection here. why do you think it's my machine? |
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| 12:29.22 | nsadmin | hmm, are all the machines configured static? |
| 12:30.06 | nsadmin | karen, sorry; I'm not supposed to emit boy george references... |
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| 12:32.48 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: all the machines are configured static, yes. they have to be. |
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| 12:33.35 | nsadmin | is that because there is not a mechanism on the router or modem to pass out IPs? |
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| 12:34.08 | nsadmin | (most common said mechanism is called DHCP) |
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| 12:37.32 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: all I know is I need to set those details if I want to connect. |
| 12:38.00 | Chriswaterguy | but if I know for sure it's a router/modem problem, we can get help to fix that. |
| 12:38.21 | nsadmin | so she has given you IP, netmask, gateway, dns? |
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| 12:39.06 | nsadmin | if it's static then you may have forgotten to set the dns |
| 12:39.12 | nsadmin | and we can fix that |
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| 12:40.19 | nsadmin | first off, you MIGHT want something easier than editing a text file every time your laptop wants to connect to a different net |
| 12:40.57 | nsadmin | but if you're ok with editing the text file, then what's required is for you to have basic networking info |
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| 12:41.28 | nsadmin | so you can get your laptop going anywhere you are |
| 12:41.35 | its-me-again | hi i am wanting to find out how to get the nvidia drivers for my card |
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| 12:42.42 | nsadmin | usually nvidia drivers come in the form of a kernel module or two, an x server driver and an opengl lib that works with the driver |
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| 12:43.52 | abrotman | its-me-again: which card? which version of debian ? |
| 12:44.18 | its-me-again | nsadmin: i am used to ubuntu which autodetect adn provides the nvidia drivers for me. i/m a bit lost on debian |
| 12:44.42 | nsadmin | you're in good hands w/ abrotman |
| 12:44.51 | its-me-again | all i know is its a nvidia card atm |
| 12:44.58 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: the dns is set |
| 12:44.59 | sdschulze | a very old one? |
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| 12:45.25 | nsadmin | once you install everything and get it going, you can pretty much forget it until you upgrade |
| 12:46.08 | nsadmin | what's the dns server address you're using? |
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| 12:47.14 | abrotman | he is? |
| 12:47.15 | its-me-again | abrotman: debian testing and not sure what nvidia crd sorry |
| 12:47.18 | abrotman | its-me-again: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 12:48.22 | abrotman | its-me-again: if you're on squeeze, you probably just enable contrib/non-free repos, and then install the drivers |
| 12:48.26 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, so the reason I think that both you and I guess it's her brother are having problems connecting is probably neither of you are setting the right dns address in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:48.55 | nsadmin | but we haven't heard from her brother so there are more possibilies |
| 12:49.54 | its-me-again | 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M] [10de:0533] (rev a2) |
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| 12:50.03 | abrotman | isn't that legacy? |
| 12:50.10 | abrotman | !tell its-me-again about nvidia |
| 12:50.36 | its-me-again | !nvidia |
| 12:50.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 12:50.40 | abrotman | the bot just told you |
| 12:51.22 | its-me-again | abchirk: yes i see that s i ask ed him to |
| 12:51.38 | nsadmin | , pciid 10de:0533 |
| 12:51.40 | judd | [10de:0533] is 'C67 [GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0533 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 12:52.16 | its-me-again | judd i'm on testing release |
| 12:52.29 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: ah - I see. Just realized that the "nameserver" is the same as the DNS I entered in the network settings |
| 12:53.31 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: so if we reset the modem/router to Automatic (DHCP) then all should be well? |
| 12:53.44 | abrotman | its-me-again: you can ask the bot in private, use "/msg dpkg foo" |
| 12:53.50 | nsadmin | nono, don't make that change unless everyone there agrees |
| 12:54.16 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: definitely wouldn't do it without agreement :-). But is it a good idea? |
| 12:54.34 | nsadmin | well maybe. |
| 12:54.49 | nsadmin | but I'd hold off |
| 12:55.15 | nsadmin | they've been doing it that way for awhile, they may or may not want to change so meet with them first |
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| 12:55.44 | its-me-again | abchirk: i am on the testing release of debian. i here nvidia drivers may not work on it |
| 12:56.05 | nsadmin | it'll probably turn out that they don't want to think about IP addresses and netmasks and gateways and dns servers |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | its-me-again: my nick is abrotman |
| 12:56.43 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 12:56.43 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for abchirk |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | its-me-again: how bout you try reading that wiki page |
| 12:57.07 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: "them" is sitting in a chair about 30cm away :-). So meeting is easy. |
| 12:57.23 | nsadmin | so ok, what do they want to do? |
| 12:58.05 | nsadmin | we can test to see if the dhcp is working already |
| 12:58.17 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: I think if someone else does it for her, she's happy to go with the, er, "correct" option, so everything works :-). She has a geeky friend who could fix it next time he visits. |
| 12:58.39 | Chriswaterguy | cool, let's test dhcp |
| 12:59.15 | nsadmin | alright, so presently you're talking to us here on a machine other than your laptop? hmm, let's name all these machines |
| 12:59.54 | sdschulze | its-me-again: I think that's already considered legacy. |
| 13:00.16 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, what's her first name? |
| 13:01.11 | nsadmin | and all this stuff is her equipment (the computer, the access point, the router/modem)? |
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| 13:01.19 | nsadmin | other than your laptop |
| 13:01.59 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: yes |
| 13:02.08 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: Stephanie |
| 13:02.30 | nsadmin | ok, so we're going to give names to all these hosts incl your laptop |
| 13:02.45 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Do you know how to enable non-free packages? |
| 13:02.48 | nsadmin | what's Stephanie's main machine called? |
| 13:02.54 | nsadmin | what' |
| 13:03.20 | nsadmin | s your laptop called? (you can make up these names as long as they're clear and different from each other) |
| 13:03.21 | its-me-again | sdi: i do know how to do things in ubuntu new to debian |
| 13:03.29 | nsadmin | and what's Stephanie' |
| 13:03.31 | its-me-again | ^ sdschulze |
| 13:03.45 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Can you edit your sources.list? |
| 13:03.49 | nsadmin | s router called (or what kind is it) |
| 13:04.47 | its-me-again | sdschulze: somewhat not dont it much |
| 13:05.11 | nsadmin | and if Stephanie's brother is present and his machine is on the internal net, what's that machine called |
| 13:06.02 | sdschulze | its-me-again: For every occurence of "main" there, add "contrib non-free" if it's not there already. |
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| 13:06.19 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin... unfortunately I think I'm going to have to bail... I'm fading and still have work to do... |
| 13:06.51 | Chriswaterguy | sorry, don't mean to be unappreciative. |
| 13:06.59 | nsadmin | oh ok, well then don't make these changes now of course |
| 13:07.07 | Chriswaterguy | yes :-). this will be helpful for later. |
| 13:07.54 | its-me-again | sdschulze: i am in the software sources application. now what |
| 13:08.25 | sdschulze | That's the other option. |
| 13:08.25 | nsadmin | between the three or four of you, you should start learning about all the involved networking stuff including... |
| 13:08.47 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Enable "contrib" and "non-free" via the checkboxes. |
| 13:09.03 | nsadmin | IP address, dns, dhcp, net mask, gateway |
| 13:09.26 | nsadmin | for now just find out what they are (as opposed to how they work) |
| 13:09.41 | its-me-again | sdi: there aint anything there in the application |
| 13:09.48 | its-me-again | ^ sdschulze |
| 13:10.27 | sdschulze | its-me-again: in the "Debian Software" tab? |
| 13:10.40 | its-me-again | i am on testing |
| 13:10.45 | sdschulze | me too |
| 13:10.55 | its-me-again | oh its different than yours ok |
| 13:11.11 | its-me-again | np i will figut it out thanks for the adbice |
| 13:11.26 | sdschulze | (That's why I don't like GUIs that much.) |
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| 13:12.32 | sdschulze | its-me-again: "Non-DFSG-compatible software"? |
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| 13:13.09 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: I must admit, just being able to make it work is a tempting option... learning the details is time-consuming (unless it happens incidentally over years) |
| 13:13.10 | its-me-again | sdschulze: nope i think i am on a bidified version of debian testing. |
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| 13:13.24 | sdschulze | its-me-again: screenshot, maybe? |
| 13:13.29 | granquet | what if df shows a negative number in usage? :o |
| 13:13.29 | granquet | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 13:13.30 | granquet | /dev/sda5 142916788 -637900 136294920 0% /tmp |
| 13:13.41 | its-me-again | sdschulze: can i pm you |
| 13:13.57 | sdschulze | yes |
| 13:14.21 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy: it's time-consuming either way |
| 13:14.26 | gps23 | sdschulze: yes, "Non-DFSG...(non free)" |
| 13:14.29 | nsadmin | learning takes time |
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| 13:15.47 | nsadmin | so if you want (and if you're willing to respond fairly quickly), we can test that now... for me it's a big problem to wait 10 mins between responses because I tend to lose my train of thought |
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| 13:17.31 | Chriswaterguy | yeah, I understand... can't get alerts working on xchat, and haven't got a better option yet. |
| 13:17.45 | Chriswaterguy | I really have to bail though - sorry |
| 13:18.05 | Chriswaterguy | I assume the bottom line is that if dhcp works, then we can set up automatic IP stuff. |
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| 13:19.15 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf... yeah, you may or may not have to alter the configuration of whatever is providing dhcp service so it offers the correct dns server and gateway |
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| 13:21.25 | nsadmin | but you can just try it on your laptop too by setting your /etc/network/interfaces file so it connects with dhcp |
| 13:21.51 | nsadmin | alternatively you could try setting up the gui network thingy, called Network Manager and try that |
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| 13:22.20 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Check the XChat settings. |
| 13:22.31 | sdschulze | and set up a sound file of your choice for "beep" |
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| 13:25.29 | Chriswaterguy | sdshulze: thanks - was wondering which of the many options to set up :-). There's no sound files included with my xchat - will hunt for some later. |
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| 13:26.09 | nsadmin | you can probably even record yourself saying beep |
| 13:27.05 | Chriswaterguy | :-) I might find that disturbing, but I could get someone else to do it. |
| 13:27.08 | sdschulze | Check /usr/share/sounds |
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| 13:30.27 | Chriswaterguy | <sdschulze>: thanks, /usr/share/sounds is just what I needed! |
| 13:30.51 | Dewi | anyone know how I can get a skeletal example of a standard debian init.d script? |
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| 13:31.02 | beggle | Is it possible to encrypt root during the installation? |
| 13:31.02 | Chriswaterguy | now can I make xchat keep a longer history in the window? |
| 13:31.03 | Dewi | or generate one |
| 13:31.34 | nsadmin | Dewi: look at /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton (I thought you knew all this...) |
| 13:31.59 | cantido | beggle: the partitioner does support creating encrypted filesystems, not sure if allows you to do it for root |
| 13:32.05 | cantido | beggle: would be slow as hell too |
| 13:32.07 | Dewi | nsadmin: I probably did; I have a notoriously poor memory. Thanks |
| 13:32.51 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: Settings->options |
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| 13:33.05 | beggle | cantido: why would an AES encryption be slow? |
| 13:33.18 | sdschulze | Plus it usually logs to disk. |
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| 13:33.42 | sdschulze | cantido: I don't AES encryption is slower than your disk. |
| 13:33.48 | sdschulze | s/don't/doubt/ |
| 13:34.00 | Chriswaterguy | <sdschulze>: I've got Settings -> Preferences, and logging's on, but nothing about keeping more history in the window. |
| 13:34.08 | nsadmin | Chriswaterguy, yes, it's settings -> preferences -> text box -> scroll lines, set it to 0 for unlimited |
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| 13:34.22 | cantido | sdschulze: really.. every disk read/write becomes CPU bound unless you have hardware crypto |
| 13:34.25 | sdschulze | Chriswaterguy: There is. |
| 13:34.27 | cantido | beggle: see above |
| 13:34.38 | sdschulze | cantido: Have you tried it? |
| 13:34.42 | cantido | sdschulze: yes |
| 13:34.44 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: got it, thank you! |
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| 13:34.59 | sdschulze | cantido: So your processor must be rather slow... |
| 13:35.07 | nsadmin | now your xchat will steal all your ram! |
| 13:35.12 | nsadmin | very slowly |
| 13:35.33 | sdschulze | uses the kraut'ed version of XChat. |
| 13:35.36 | its-me-again | i dont think the restart x worked do i need to reboot to activate nvidi adirvers |
| 13:35.47 | Chriswaterguy | nsadmin: :-). On second thoughts, I'll make it high rather than infinite. |
| 13:35.54 | cantido | sdschulze: um, you know what DMA is right? |
| 13:35.55 | beggle | cantido: of course, there is more work for the CPU, thats logical, but it doesn't mean you would notice that |
| 13:36.03 | Chriswaterguy | 10000 |
| 13:36.11 | cantido | beggle: all your binaries will be decrypted in ram anyhow |
| 13:36.46 | nsadmin | the DMA that's right is to the right of the DMA that's left... |
| 13:37.03 | beggle | cantido: I didn't ask for encryption of all channels but how to encrypt root during the installation |
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| 13:37.27 | cantido | beggle: d-i does support some level of encryption. Try it |
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| 13:37.47 | cantido | beggle: you probably need a non-crypted /boot at least |
| 13:37.56 | beggle | cantido: I have one. |
| 13:38.35 | cantido | beggle: so you want to convert to an encrypted root? |
| 13:38.57 | its-me-again | !ping sdschulze |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over sdschulze's head |
| 13:39.16 | nsadmin | that's -ding- not ping |
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| 13:39.29 | nsadmin | silly bot :P |
| 13:39.52 | cantido | beggle: if the initramfs does support an encrypted root it would be in the docs for the initramfs tools |
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| 13:40.46 | beggle | cantido: I know there are methods to encrypt root for an existing installation and there methods to encrypt root dring the installation with arch linux and somehow with opensuse but I didn't find anything for debian |
| 13:41.45 | beggle | even ubuntu has a guide |
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| 13:42.53 | ksk | so use it for debian? |
| 13:43.03 | cantido | beggle: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html |
| 13:43.11 | Chriswaterguy | k, thanks for all the help, folks. |
| 13:43.14 | Chriswaterguy | over and out. |
| 13:43.15 | ksk | there is a encryption option in standard debian installer iirc |
| 13:43.35 | cantido | ksk: yeah, I can't remember if you can use it for root though |
| 13:44.38 | cantido | sdschulze: Please note that the performance of encrypted partitions will be less than that of unencrypted ones.. from the manual ;) |
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| 13:51.42 | smellynoser | Hi - We have just got a VPS with Debian 5 Lenny. I am running nc -l -p 80 -vv and if I go to the ip it times out. If I run lighttpd on port 80, it times out |
| 13:51.48 | smellynoser | It seems the only port that is working is port 22 |
| 13:52.00 | smellynoser | There isn't a default firewall locking everything out is there? |
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| 13:52.28 | petemc | smellynoser: debian doesnt have such a default |
| 13:52.50 | smellynoser | petemc: Thanks |
| 13:58.03 | beggle | cantido: Even though the guide didn't say, it made me relize the I over a step that led to further configuration. Thx! |
| 13:58.14 | beggle | cantido: anything new* |
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| 14:01.31 | its-me-again | ok now my screen i sa small square adn there is a black space on the screen |
| 14:01.39 | its-me-again | how do i change the ssettings |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | laptop? |
| 14:02.15 | sdschulze | resolution issue? |
| 14:03.33 | its-me-again | yes lappy |
| 14:03.41 | its-me-again | anyideas |
| 14:04.34 | sdschulze | Can you start gnome-display-properties? |
| 14:05.49 | sdschulze | (in case you're using GNOME) |
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| 14:06.23 | its-me-again | sdschulze: we just installed some other display nvidia one |
| 14:06.30 | its-me-again | so it might have its own settings |
| 14:07.01 | sdschulze | some other than I told you to? |
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| 14:07.53 | cantido | beggle: the manual doesn't say that root can be encrypted but it does say that you can encrypt everyhing except /boot :) |
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| 14:08.00 | [raven] | hi |
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| 14:08.25 | its-me-again | this sux |
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| 14:08.55 | its-me-again | darn generic drivers that dont properly support my hardware |
| 14:09.04 | sdschulze | You can install nvidia-settings. |
| 14:09.09 | sdschulze | Maybe that helps. |
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| 14:09.25 | sdschulze | (and run it) |
| 14:09.25 | cantido | would have thought a driver would be anything but generic |
| 14:10.00 | sdschulze | Blame nVidia... |
| 14:10.14 | gnarface | i wouldn't blame them |
| 14:10.14 | sdschulze | (for being against freedom) |
| 14:10.22 | [raven] | for some obscure reason, my colleague screw up our lenny distribution, now, i'm trying to install rubygems package but say i need another package dependece and at the end... i have an error message, very obscure |
| 14:10.33 | jordanm | nvidia-settings is not going to be very useful without proprietary drivers |
| 14:10.33 | gnarface | i would blame its-me-again for not reading the xorg.conf man page and you, sdschulze for not telling him to |
| 14:10.37 | its-me-again | the nvidia settings say i dont use nvidia x drivers |
| 14:10.38 | [raven] | and is: libruby1.8: Conflicts: libreadline-ruby1.8 |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | [raven]: please use a pastebin to show us the error |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | the full error |
| 14:10.45 | jordanm | !tell [raven] about bat |
| 14:10.53 | sdschulze | gnarface: He doesn't even have a xorg.conf. |
| 14:10.53 | its-me-again | so this driver is nto running my stuff |
| 14:10.57 | cantido | its-me-again: so you're using vesa or nv then |
| 14:11.10 | jordanm | its-me-again: what card? what version of debian? |
| 14:11.11 | [raven] | jordanm: ok |
| 14:11.28 | gnarface | sdschulze: the default is now to auto-configure. you can (and in most cases need to) create one yourself for optimal configuration |
| 14:11.28 | its-me-again | cantido: ask sdschulze he ws helping me |
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| 14:11.42 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Can you PM me "grep -i nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log" again? |
| 14:11.46 | its-me-again | weinstalled nvidia-glx |
| 14:11.59 | jordanm | why PM? |
| 14:12.08 | sdschulze | or paste it somewhere |
| 14:12.18 | sdschulze | don't care |
| 14:12.34 | [raven] | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/89661 |
| 14:12.35 | gnarface | its-me-again: try running Xorg -configure, answer all the questions and see if it makes you an xorg.conf that works |
| 14:12.52 | jordanm | Xorg -configure doesn't ask any questions |
| 14:12.53 | gnarface | its-me-again: run it outside of X, at the system console |
| 14:13.08 | sdschulze | its-me-again: OK, here you go, you're using the nv driver now. |
| 14:13.11 | jordanm | and you don't have to be outside of X if you give -- :1 for another screen |
| 14:13.28 | cantido | thinks that xorg won't use the nvidia driver unless told to |
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| 14:13.44 | jordanm | right, and it won't |
| 14:13.49 | its-me-again | ok what does that mean then |
| 14:13.51 | sdschulze | Uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nv. |
| 14:13.56 | jordanm | which is why nvidia supplies their own configuration tool |
| 14:14.04 | jordanm | uninstall nv is entirely unnessecary |
| 14:14.06 | its-me-again | this small screen is giving me a headache |
| 14:14.13 | gnarface | the nvidia binary drivers official installer *should* create an xorg.conf file for you at the end of install, if you say yes to the last question |
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| 14:14.24 | jordanm | gnarface: that installer is not supported here |
| 14:14.25 | its-me-again | sdi: what did we uninstal before this messup |
| 14:14.26 | sdschulze | its-me-again: go to a text console... |
| 14:14.36 | its-me-again | gedit |
| 14:14.42 | its-me-again | ?? |
| 14:14.45 | jordanm | its-me-again: what version of debian and what card do you have? |
| 14:14.48 | sdschulze | its-me-again: nouveau |
| 14:15.03 | sdschulze | which is a newer driver but does not have 3D |
| 14:15.22 | sdschulze | Now it uses nv, which is another driver without 3D. |
| 14:15.39 | sdschulze | If you install both of them, I hope it will use nvidia. |
| 14:15.57 | jordanm | that logic is dumb. proper configuration will make it use nvidia |
| 14:16.08 | sdschulze | That's the other option. |
| 14:16.09 | jordanm | or atleast fail to use nvidia and have to fallback to somethign else |
| 14:16.29 | cantido | its-me-again: install the nvidia-glx and kernel source from debian, create a xorg.conf with a driver section that is explictly tells xorg to use the nvidia driver, done |
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| 14:16.31 | sdschulze | but I'm not sure if I'll be able to convey him how to do this |
| 14:16.38 | sdschulze | ... |
| 14:16.50 | jordanm | sdschulze: "nvidia-xconfig". but he is already gone |
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| 14:17.07 | its-me-again | thats better |
| 14:17.22 | cantido | jordanm: I don't think that tools is needed anymore |
| 14:17.25 | sdschulze | What does "glxinfo | grep direct" show now? |
| 14:17.35 | its-me-again | now i think my best bet is to fund proper nvidia drivers or just run without 3d for now |
| 14:17.35 | jordanm | cantido: it was never "needed" but always makes it easier |
| 14:17.58 | cantido | jordanm: mmm it create a config file with loads of stuff you don't want/need anymore |
| 14:18.00 | sdschulze | its-me-again: What did you do? |
| 14:18.10 | its-me-again | still nissing |
| 14:18.15 | jordanm | cantido: yep, and it works |
| 14:18.20 | cantido | its-me-again: there are "proper nvidia drivers" |
| 14:18.30 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Did you uninstall the nv driver? |
| 14:18.36 | cantido | jordanm: true :) but you only need like 4 lines.. it can't be this hard ;) |
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| 14:18.45 | its-me-again | sdschulze: i reinstalled the neovu |
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| 14:18.55 | sdschulze | its-me-again: That's your fault then. |
| 14:18.59 | jordanm | cantido: 4 lines too many when I can run a single command, and less prone to error for instructing other users |
| 14:19.12 | sdschulze | If you don't do what I tell you to do, I can't help you. |
| 14:19.16 | jordanm | *nothing should need to be uninstalled* |
| 14:19.17 | jordanm | wtf |
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| 14:19.31 | cantido | jordanm: IIRC that thing insert monitor config etc which messes up xorg's shiny working monitor detection |
| 14:19.35 | its-me-again | sdschulze: no this has messed me up so i may get proper nvidia drivers |
| 14:19.46 | sdschulze | Do nvidia-xconfig. |
| 14:20.07 | sdschulze | as jordanm tells |
| 14:20.09 | jordanm | cantido: hasn't in my case, even with my dual-head setup |
| 14:20.33 | cantido | mmm all good then. :) |
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| 14:20.33 | [raven] | excuse me, someone have any clue for that ? |
| 14:20.33 | [raven] | i mean, my problem... |
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| 14:21.18 | sdschulze | [raven]: Do apt-get update, just to be sure. |
| 14:21.24 | jordanm | [raven]: pastebin: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy rubygems rubygems1.8 libc6; uname -r |
| 14:21.29 | [raven] | ok |
| 14:21.40 | jordanm | ,versions rubygems1.8 |
| 14:21.41 | judd | rubygems1.8 -- lenny: 1.2.0-3; lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.7-1; sid: 1.3.7-2 |
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| 14:22.24 | [raven] | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/89665 |
| 14:22.44 | [raven] | sdschulze: i update before run the jordanm suggested commands |
| 14:23.05 | sdschulze | ok |
| 14:23.06 | jordanm | [raven]: looks like you upgraded to unstable then removed it from your sources.list |
| 14:23.12 | its-me-again | well i need to take a break thanks for trying to help i think this debian testing baised os is whatis confusing tings somewhat |
| 14:23.12 | jordanm | ,versions libc6 |
| 14:23.14 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-5; squeeze: 2.11.2-5 |
| 14:23.31 | its-me-again | lmde@aspire5520-laptop ~ $ nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:23.31 | its-me-again | WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. |
| 14:23.31 | its-me-again | ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'. |
| 14:23.33 | [raven] | jordanm: unstable? no, my colleague add testing and later removed it |
| 14:23.42 | jordanm | its-me-again: again as root |
| 14:23.44 | [raven] | because it's commented on sources.list |
| 14:23.54 | jordanm | [raven]: alright, well, it looks like you now run testing |
| 14:24.07 | [raven] | oh geez |
| 14:24.10 | its-me-again | lmde@aspire5520-laptop ~ $ sudo nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:24.10 | its-me-again | WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. |
| 14:24.10 | its-me-again | New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/XF86Config' |
| 14:24.20 | jordanm | I recommend restoring a backup if this was very recently |
| 14:24.21 | sdschulze | That's good. |
| 14:24.24 | cantido | now that is old skool |
| 14:24.32 | cantido | will Xorg even read that? |
| 14:24.37 | jordanm | cantido: yes |
| 14:24.51 | [raven] | jordanm: we dont have a backup |
| 14:24.59 | [raven] | jordanm: now, how to fix that ? |
| 14:25.05 | sdschulze | XF86Config sounds a bit wrong, indeed, though... |
| 14:25.36 | jordanm | [raven]: downgrading is not supported, so really, you can't |
| 14:25.42 | cantido | its-me-again: http://paste.debian.net/89667/ -- that's all you really need |
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| 14:25.52 | [raven] | so...i have to move on testing now ? |
| 14:25.54 | cantido | its-me-again: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:26.31 | its-me-again | cantido: i am on the new os linux mint debian actually |
| 14:26.40 | its-me-again | i think thats y its confusing |
| 14:26.43 | cantido | so it's not really debian |
| 14:26.46 | jordanm | [raven]: just to be sure, let me also see apt-cache policy apt aptitude python |
| 14:26.55 | its-me-again | not working |
| 14:26.58 | sdschulze | its-me-again: I don't think that's the issue. |
| 14:27.09 | sdschulze | as you installed nvidia-glx from the official sources |
| 14:27.22 | its-me-again | heytold me to install drivers from nvidia site |
| 14:27.42 | [raven] | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/89668 |
| 14:27.44 | sdschulze | It wouldn't make things easier. |
| 14:27.52 | sdschulze | its-me-again: You're 90% there. |
| 14:28.02 | sdschulze | its-me-again: http://paste.debian.net/89667/ |
| 14:28.14 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Put that in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:28.15 | jordanm | [raven]: aptitude is part of the base system and you don't have it installed? |
| 14:28.17 | sdschulze | restart X |
| 14:28.18 | sdschulze | done |
| 14:28.37 | jordanm | [raven]: one more time, apt-cache policy udev |
| 14:28.41 | cantido | maybe he has a card that isn't supported in whatever version of nvidia-glx he has |
| 14:28.51 | themill | [raven]: not relevant to your current problems, but you should fix your sources.list to not use ftp.debian.org and not to use "stable". /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org ; /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 14:28.55 | [raven] | jordanm: seems strange but i have installed python 2.6 |
| 14:29.02 | sdschulze | cantido: It would tell that. |
| 14:29.12 | jordanm | [raven]: you run testing |
| 14:29.30 | cantido | sdschulze: well, so far he has said "it doesn't work" .. he hasn't provided anything from his xorg log |
| 14:29.32 | its-me-again | there is no xorg.cfg there |
| 14:29.35 | jordanm | you have already made a transition of libc6 and python. I would say there is not return |
| 14:29.39 | its-me-again | sds^ |
| 14:29.40 | cantido | its-me-again: there shouldn't be |
| 14:29.48 | [raven] | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/89669 |
| 14:29.48 | its-me-again | sdschulze: ^ |
| 14:29.50 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Then create it. |
| 14:30.00 | sdschulze | cantido: he did -- to me |
| 14:30.06 | [raven] | jordanm: i've to move on testing |
| 14:30.21 | cantido | its-me-again: you don't need it anymore unless you want to force options i.e you want to force xorg to use nvidia's driver and not nv |
| 14:30.32 | jordanm | [raven]: I suppose no udev makes sense, since you are on an openvz vps |
| 14:30.40 | [raven] | exactly |
| 14:30.42 | sdschulze | its-me-again: It's not called ".cfg" but ".conf", just BTW. |
| 14:31.05 | its-me-again | its not there ok |
| 14:31.06 | jordanm | [raven]: personally, I think openvz is terrible for vps hosting... |
| 14:31.18 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Then create it. |
| 14:31.24 | [raven] | jordanm: i know...but my client want it because was cheap... -.-' |
| 14:31.27 | nsadmin | it'll be easier to find a file if you spell its name correctly... |
| 14:31.49 | jordanm | [raven]: does you client need to hire a debian admin? |
| 14:32.40 | [raven] | jordanm: we're two sys admin...but i'm just in case of needs...they've one for free...i'm the paid one... |
| 14:32.48 | its-me-again | sdschulze: ok created that now what |
| 14:32.56 | sdschulze | its-me-again: restart X |
| 14:32.57 | its-me-again | restart x |
| 14:33.06 | [raven] | jordanm: by the way, i'm looking for a sys admin job too :P |
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| 14:33.42 | andre_pl | I've just set up LVM on top of raid 5, now I've added a disk, and I can't quite figure out how to grow everything to fit it.. can anyone help? |
| 14:33.44 | AnthLee | system admin for debian stable = dream job =) |
| 14:33.56 | [raven] | AnthLee: hahahaha |
| 14:33.57 | andre_pl | I've done mdadm --add /dev/md0 /new/disk |
| 14:34.04 | andre_pl | but it added it as a spare and the array size hasn't changed |
| 14:34.12 | [raven] | AnthLee: and i'm in case of needs... |
| 14:34.18 | sdschulze | AnthLee: not sure about that |
| 14:34.24 | AnthLee | why not |
| 14:34.32 | sdschulze | "Oh, can you install *this* or *that*..." |
| 14:34.45 | sdschulze | "and a newer version of *this*..." |
| 14:34.52 | AnthLee | backports |
| 14:34.53 | AnthLee | :) |
| 14:34.57 | jordanm | sdschulze: are you referring to proprietary software that only supports RHEL? |
| 14:35.05 | AnthLee | im not a system admin though Id like to be :P |
| 14:35.07 | [raven] | jordanm: funny |
| 14:35.31 | jelly | andre_pl: read the manual about --grow and --raid-devices= |
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| 14:35.38 | sdschulze | jordanm: not specifically |
| 14:35.40 | [raven] | well, i move on testing...at least we fix everything... |
| 14:35.44 | jordanm | sdschulze: business stuff tends to stay way from bleeding-edge. management often likes tested, reliable, and working |
| 14:36.03 | jelly | it's not only mgt that likes it that way |
| 14:36.04 | AnthLee | I like tested reliable and working |
| 14:36.13 | jordanm | right, the smarter sysadmins too :) |
| 14:36.30 | [raven] | AnthLee: i agree with you |
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| 14:36.51 | sdschulze | jordanm: In my internship, where I dealt with microcontroller stuff, someone spread the rumor that I'm skilled at computers. Bad luck. |
| 14:36.55 | AnthLee | I wish squeeze had a working live installer I could aptitude install atm though |
| 14:37.12 | AnthLee | want to clone my debian install for multiple pcs -.- |
| 14:37.17 | [raven] | ahahhaha |
| 14:37.22 | cantido | sdschulze: I bet you get asked to clean up windows machines a lot .. |
| 14:37.32 | jordanm | AnthLee: I think does have a working live installer |
| 14:37.41 | [raven] | AnthLee: with *bsd you can just doing a tar xvzf |
| 14:37.43 | jordanm | I recall news at debconf that they got it to a working state |
| 14:37.57 | andre_pl | jelly: thanks, I think that worked, its showing the drive active now, and it looks like its 'recovering'.. however the array sized hasn't changed. will that happen after its finished the reshape? |
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| 14:38.09 | sdschulze | jordanm, cantido: "Oh, we're having a problem here because we're using two incompatible systems for our project management here, and our bosses refuse to listen to explanations longer than 1 minute..." |
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| 14:38.17 | andre_pl | jelly: or do I have to extend the lvm volume for that? |
| 14:38.25 | AnthLee | hmm |
| 14:38.29 | [raven] | jordanm: you thing i gonna fix everything moving on testing ? |
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| 14:38.44 | its-me-again | ok now i think it wirked here is the info you can read to see if it did http://pastebin.com/GhzWaWLY |
| 14:38.50 | AnthLee | I havnt seen one working except under old official debian live images =/ |
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| 14:39.13 | cantido | [raven]: you might want to tell tar to perserve permissions etc.. |
| 14:39.19 | its-me-again | sdschulze: i think it did ^^^ |
| 14:39.24 | [raven] | cantido: obviously |
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| 14:39.45 | [raven] | i cited as command not as installer |
| 14:39.58 | cantido | [raven]: and the same thing works with debian.. neither will reinstall bootblocks/loaders automagically |
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| 14:40.07 | sdschulze | its-me-again: Well, it's up to you to decide if it "works". |
| 14:40.15 | AnthLee | heh I've thought about using bsd before but never have .. |
| 14:40.31 | its-me-again | sdschulze: the commands displayed different infomation now did you check that post |
| 14:40.42 | cantido | its-me-again: you aren't using debian |
| 14:40.46 | sdschulze | its-me-again: I think 3D stuff will run. |
| 14:40.47 | [raven] | AnthLee: one great idea was debian/kFreeBSD but...it's a dead project |
| 14:40.51 | jelly | andre_pl: what do you mean, the array size hasn't changed? number of blocks in /proc/mdstat? |
| 14:40.55 | its-me-again | sdschulze: ok now to remoe that new neovu again |
| 14:41.02 | sdschulze | its-me-again: don't need to |
| 14:41.09 | sdschulze | its-me-again: You can, if you want. |
| 14:41.12 | cantido | [raven]: kfreebsd is still going iirc.. it's just no one uses it |
| 14:41.19 | its-me-again | cantido: its linux mint debian yes ' |
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| 14:41.22 | AnthLee | yeah I read about that |
| 14:41.25 | [raven] | cantido: very sad thing... seems cool |
| 14:41.28 | sdschulze | its-me-again: But it might be a nice backup. |
| 14:41.35 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 14:41.36 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:41.43 | cantido | [raven]: not sure if freebsd offers all that much over linux to be honest |
| 14:42.08 | sdschulze | jordanm: but nvidia-glx is from the official sources |
| 14:42.11 | its-me-again | jordanm: ok point i get it so i will not come back here for much help anymore thanks |
| 14:42.18 | cantido | wouldn't choose to have less hardware support |
| 14:42.44 | jordanm | sdschulze: doesn't matter. derivatives are not supported |
| 14:42.49 | [raven] | cantido: i watched a speech of andrew tanenbaum some months ago, as his statistics, bsd code have less errors than linux, because of the driver codes |
| 14:43.05 | andre_pl | jelly: i was looking at the 'array size' in the output of mdadm --detail /dev/md0 it shows 1500GB which is the same as before I added the disk |
| 14:43.13 | its-me-again | sdschulze: then you should not help people like me here ok. |
| 14:43.18 | AnthLee | linux is bigger |
| 14:43.29 | andre_pl | jelly: /proc/mdstat shows 1465151808 blocks |
| 14:43.31 | AnthLee | it kinda follows logic it would have more flaws than bsd |
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| 14:43.54 | [raven] | AnthLee: not for that... |
| 14:43.55 | cantido | [raven]: Unless you've gone through the whole source of both how do you know? He probably knows the whole minix source, but I doubt he's been through the whole linux tree |
| 14:44.11 | its-me-again | just watch oput you may in future see more people like me from linux mint debian comming here. for help. lots of the oficl mint 9 go to ubuntu for help and get fired adn booted and kickled |
| 14:44.20 | its-me-again | so i will go now and leave you in peace |
| 14:44.30 | jelly | it's you again! |
| 14:44.35 | jordanm | its-me-again: encourage them to make their own support channel |
| 14:44.41 | cantido | [raven]: maybe netbsd has more bugs than freebsd.. who knows? |
| 14:44.48 | its-me-again | jordanm: they alrady do |
| 14:44.50 | its-me-again | shesh |
| 14:44.53 | jordanm | its-me-again: use it? |
| 14:44.57 | its-me-again | i do |
| 14:44.58 | AnthLee | hehe |
| 14:45.08 | AnthLee | thats all kinda mean |
| 14:45.18 | cantido | wonders why people create forks they have no intent on supporting.. |
| 14:45.36 | cantido | s/on/of/ |
| 14:45.43 | jordanm | you could consider it that. but I also feel it is mean when I am "tricked" into thinking I am support debian, when in fact I am not |
| 14:45.58 | jordanm | not exactly the case here, but it happens plenty |
| 14:46.57 | AnthLee | at least he was close with mint debian and not using redhat :) |
| 14:47.14 | cantido | AnthLee: his version of nvidia-glx could be different to what debian has |
| 14:47.29 | sdschulze | http://www.google.com/trends?q=debian%2C+ubuntu%2C+fedora&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 |
| 14:47.29 | AnthLee | true |
| 14:47.33 | cantido | AnthLee: i.e. his nvidia-glx could be one of our -legacy version |
| 14:47.39 | sdschulze | I wonder what fills the gap... |
| 14:48.27 | cantido | more devs working on debian and smaller release cycles |
| 14:49.01 | cantido | none of them are doing anything that couldn't have been done inside debian |
| 14:49.40 | [raven] | cantido: he cited code analysis maked from other companies... in fact, minix was having 88 loc with errors every 1000, freebsd 23 and linux 180 |
| 14:49.52 | AnthLee | Personally I think the perfect distro lies between ubuntu and debian |
| 14:49.59 | [raven] | i'm searching for that analysis |
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| 14:50.43 | AnthLee | ubuntu has added things that are really quite good but also is unstable garbage at the same time heh |
| 14:50.49 | sdschulze | Ubuntu 10.04 was the worst Ubuntu ever... I'm so happy I kept Debian on this box. |
| 14:51.09 | AnthLee | first time I booted 10.04 I almost vomitted |
| 14:51.15 | sdschulze | :) |
| 14:51.16 | AnthLee | that is the ugliest thing I have ever seen |
| 14:51.22 | the-dude | thinks 9.10 is the worst |
| 14:51.34 | AnthLee | xubuntu looks good |
| 14:51.44 | themill | wonders what this has to do with debian |
| 14:51.53 | sdschulze | No it's not ugliness, but I didn't manage to set up volume control. |
| 14:51.56 | AnthLee | but is unfortunatly the worst xfce implementation i've ever seen |
| 14:52.03 | sdschulze | themill: praising Debian |
| 14:52.13 | jordanm | thats because xfce is plain awesome, and mr_pouit is a good guy. this discussion really belongs in offtopic however |
| 14:52.16 | cantido | AnthLee: if the worth of a distro comes from it's default theme.. then just submit a nice theme for debian? |
| 14:52.46 | AnthLee | albatross is my favorite theme |
| 14:52.49 | [raven] | cantido: Tanenbaum was at FOSDEM 2010 |
| 14:53.00 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 14:53.22 | cantido | had to read his books at uni |
| 14:53.29 | [raven] | too |
| 14:53.45 | [raven] | two... operating systems and computer networks |
| 14:53.58 | AnthLee | anyone here have experience with live-build? |
| 14:54.27 | cantido | [raven]: as themill says, #debian-offtopic would be the place to discuss that sort of thing though |
| 14:54.27 | [raven] | no...but i'm interested because i have to build a kiosk |
| 14:54.43 | [raven] | cantido: i just point something, i'm interested to solve my problem not to start a flame |
| 14:54.44 | qq- | AnthLee, /msg dpkg live |
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| 14:55.39 | [raven] | In fact...to come back at reality... i should do s/stable/squeeze/g on sources.list ? |
| 14:56.21 | cantido | [raven]: I think there's an issue upgrading udev and the kernel at the moment |
| 14:56.51 | [raven] | but as jordanm pointed, this is a vps with openvz |
| 14:57.14 | cantido | forgets how the kernel setup works there |
| 14:57.16 | [raven] | my colleague screw all my debian stable... |
| 14:57.37 | AnthLee | hmm do a backup and upgrade to testing and pray |
| 14:57.40 | [raven] | and now i have to fix it...i already received 3 calls |
| 14:57.41 | AnthLee | hehe |
| 14:58.54 | cantido | [raven]: in openvz your machine has it's own kernel doesn't it? |
| 14:59.12 | cantido | [raven]: or is it the same kernel running all the guests? |
| 14:59.33 | [raven] | cantido: afaik, it's a 2.6.18 |
| 14:59.55 | qq- | !etch |
| 14:59.55 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 15:00.05 | [raven] | AnthLee: it's boring to having business with stingy people |
| 15:00.09 | cantido | [raven]: you probably need a newer kernel for squeeze |
| 15:00.14 | jordanm | cantido: openvz shares its kernel with the host |
| 15:00.26 | jordanm | its almost more like a chroot than a virtual machine |
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| 15:00.42 | cantido | jordanm: yeah, just googled it |
| 15:00.50 | [raven] | exactly... well...no ideas to solve my problem :/ |
| 15:00.59 | cantido | so he hasn't got the option to upgrade his own kernel |
| 15:01.15 | [raven] | exactly |
| 15:01.36 | AnthLee | start over >.> |
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| 15:01.39 | cantido | [raven]: and I guess your isp won't move it to a host with a newer kernel? |
| 15:01.53 | jordanm | cantido: why does he need a newer kernel? |
| 15:02.09 | cantido | jordanm: doesn't the udev etc in squeeze need a newer kernel? |
| 15:02.09 | jordanm | that is the supported openvz and RHEL kernel that I would expect to see on any openvz VPS |
| 15:02.12 | [raven] | i have no idea... seems ass the hoster |
| 15:02.32 | jordanm | cantido: because hes not on his own hardware, not even virtual hardware, he doesn't even have or use udev |
| 15:03.06 | cantido | jordanm: ah, that's right |
| 15:03.13 | [raven] | jordanm: so i do a s/stable/squeeze/g command to fix everything ? |
| 15:03.21 | [raven] | in vim |
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| 15:04.06 | cantido | [raven]: you're already partially running squeeze aren't you? |
| 15:04.21 | bint | if i want to disable ssh-login for all but group "sshrs" do i have do put "DenyUsers *" and later "AllowGroups sshrs" into the sshd_config or is AllowGroups sufficient? |
| 15:04.32 | qq- | cantido, his on etch ... |
| 15:04.42 | bint | i tried it with AllowGroups alone but it didn't work, - i am afraid of locking myself out |
| 15:04.45 | [raven] | cantido: i think he (my colleague) mix *testing* with lenny |
| 15:04.45 | cantido | qq-: the kernel he has is from the host |
| 15:05.04 | AnthLee | raven upgrade to testing |
| 15:05.12 | AnthLee | if he has part of it you should be able to do all of it |
| 15:05.17 | cantido | [raven]: there's not a lot you can do than upgrade to squeeze then |
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| 15:06.01 | [raven] | but...s/stable/testing/g or s/stable/squeeze/g ? |
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| 15:06.11 | cantido | [raven]: change it to squeeze |
| 15:06.26 | cantido | [raven]: so once squeeze is released you don't move to squeeze++ |
| 15:06.52 | [raven] | cantido: thanks a lot...i hope it fix this mess... |
| 15:07.23 | cantido | bint: if you leave your session open when you restart the sshd you should be able to use that session to revert your changes |
| 15:07.30 | cantido | bint: if it breaks that is |
| 15:07.53 | qq- | [raven], have you said about what that 'mess' is ? |
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| 15:08.15 | cantido | qq-: he's got stuff installed from testing |
| 15:08.27 | [raven] | qq-: when i explain my problem i explained why was a mess |
| 15:09.42 | qq- | [raven], not sure you may run squeeze on 2.6.18 kernel ... |
| 15:10.04 | cantido | qq-: it's a container, so he doesn't need to run udev etc |
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| 15:11.24 | [raven] | qq-: as cantido said...it's on openvz |
| 15:11.35 | cantido | I'm not sure if glibc in squeeze needs a newer kernel |
| 15:11.43 | [raven] | the command is dist-upgrade right ? |
| 15:11.50 | [raven] | yes... |
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| 15:12.17 | qq- | !lenny-squeeze |
| 15:12.35 | qq- | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 15:12.35 | dpkg | Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 15:12.56 | qq- | !squeeze udev |
| 15:12.56 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 15:13.21 | [raven] | uhmmmmm |
| 15:14.01 | qq- | [raven], for me you can't do any upgrade .. |
| 15:14.02 | cantido | qq-: he isn't running his own kernel and he apparently has binaries from testing that are working |
| 15:14.19 | [raven] | well, seems i dont have aptitude installed anymore O_O |
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| 15:15.10 | AnthLee | O.O |
| 15:15.42 | sdschulze | Use dselect. :) |
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| 15:24.37 | [raven] | Preparing to replace libc6 2.11.2-2 (using .../libc6_2.11.2-5_i386.deb) ... |
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| 15:30.27 | bint | cantido you made my day |
| 15:30.35 | cantido | bint: ? |
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| 15:30.44 | bint | i frogt to f*kin reload the init./ssh |
| 15:30.49 | bint | and wonderd why it never worked :D |
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| 15:31.46 | cantido | bint: I think everyone has those moments ;) |
| 15:31.57 | bint | i've got a bit too much of em |
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| 15:33.40 | [raven] | cantido: dist-upgrade done :) |
| 15:33.55 | AnthLee | sweet . |
| 15:34.45 | [raven] | yes |
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| 15:34.57 | sdschulze | Now reboot and pray? |
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| 15:35.03 | [raven] | uhmmm |
| 15:35.10 | [raven] | yes |
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| 15:35.26 | ems | Is there a way I can update my _complete_ aptitude source lists to go out and search the net for all updated versions of software |
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| 15:35.53 | sdschulze | ems: I don't understand that question. |
| 15:36.08 | sdschulze | aptitude upgrade? |
| 15:36.18 | AnthLee | ems for most updated packages you can upgrade to sid |
| 15:36.27 | AnthLee | but be aware newest does not make the most stable |
| 15:36.48 | ems | sdschulze, well for every software i try to get, i get a diff number then the one in the topic of freenode channels |
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| 15:37.00 | ems | sdschulze, so maybe an update is in order |
| 15:37.22 | sdschulze | What version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:37.31 | sdschulze | squeeze? |
| 15:37.35 | ems | lenny |
| 15:37.50 | sdschulze | Then upgrade to squeeze or use backports. |
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| 15:38.39 | ems | lenny is the current version though, so wouldnt that be downgrading |
| 15:38.49 | sdschulze | would like Wesnoth 1.8.4 to be packaged. |
| 15:39.06 | sdschulze | ems: Squeeze is the future stable. |
| 15:39.15 | sdschulze | (see topic) |
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| 15:39.28 | JoshH | they've already used up all the cool characters :( |
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| 15:39.42 | sdschulze | JodaZ: ? |
| 15:39.48 | ems | sdschulze, yes i am looking at the topic right now. it says lenny 506 |
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| 15:39.51 | eviltoaster | if i have 50 subdomains pointing to one ip how can i handle this to 50 different vms ? (im not a pro on bind9) |
| 15:40.25 | sdschulze | ems: What kind of machine is it? desktop? |
| 15:40.31 | ems | yes. x86 |
| 15:40.35 | cantido | eviltoaster: do the vm's have their own public ips? |
| 15:40.48 | eviltoaster | cantido, no 192.168.1.x |
| 15:41.03 | sdschulze | For desktop machines, using the current "testing" is usually safe. |
| 15:41.14 | sdschulze | (dependent on your skills, though) |
| 15:41.40 | ems | i am noobie hehe in terms of skills |
| 15:41.45 | cantido | eviltoaster: what traffic do you want to route? |
| 15:42.11 | eviltoaster | cantido, everything :/ |
| 15:42.32 | cantido | eviltoaster: so you have one public ip which you want to route to 50 non-public ips? |
| 15:42.47 | eviltoaster | cantido, yes ^^ |
| 15:42.50 | sdschulze | ems: Maybe you should wait for squeeze to become official. |
| 15:43.11 | ems | sdschulze, that might be awhile |
| 15:43.17 | eviltoaster | squeeze <3 |
| 15:43.26 | cantido | eviltoaster: well, you could forward ports on your gateway to ports on you internal machines |
| 15:43.39 | cantido | eviltoaster: there's no way to turn 1 public ip into 50 though |
| 15:43.44 | ems | sdschulze, unless you would be so kind as to help guide me through it? |
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| 15:44.32 | gunther44 | hi al |
| 15:44.35 | ems | hello |
| 15:44.37 | sdschulze | ems: I'm not a Debian developer, I don't know how long it will take. |
| 15:44.44 | cantido | eviltoaster: if it's just HTTP traffic you would have some sort of front end content router that parses the requests coming in and fields them off to the backend machine |
| 15:44.49 | gunther44 | would lenny be ok about indexing hundreds of thousands of images in one dir? |
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| 15:45.23 | sdschulze | gunther44: It doesn't depend on lenny. |
| 15:45.32 | meder | how can i reset my sound settings |
| 15:45.34 | sdschulze | but on your filesystem |
| 15:45.41 | cantido | gunther44: I don't see why not. Your fs might not handle too many files in one directory though |
| 15:45.41 | meder | my headphones logitech g330 dont work now |
| 15:45.44 | eviltoaster | cantido, yea i know how to do it with http traffic, but thanks anyway |
| 15:45.50 | meder | they worked previously |
| 15:45.51 | gunther44 | fs? |
| 15:45.52 | meder | before i restarted |
| 15:45.56 | sdschulze | meder: open gnome-volume-control or alsamixer |
| 15:45.58 | meder | alsa / debian sound = horrid |
| 15:45.59 | cahoot | meder try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 15:46.02 | meder | alsamixer doesnt help at all |
| 15:46.06 | meder | it's useless for the most part |
| 15:46.18 | cantido | eviltoaster: if you could turn one public ip into many you would have solve the ipv4 problem |
| 15:46.20 | gunther44 | it's for a php application i'm working on, and was just wondering if that would be a bottleneck |
| 15:46.46 | cantido | gunther44: php would be the bottleneck if anything |
| 15:47.23 | sdschulze | ems: I'm using squeeze currently, and I like it. :) |
| 15:47.26 | meder | hm |
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| 15:47.35 | meder | guess i'll try alsamixer again |
| 15:47.39 | meder | i tried that, cahoot |
| 15:47.42 | meder | it enabled system sound on lappy |
| 15:47.45 | ems | sdschulze, of course :( - help me update it please lol |
| 15:47.48 | meder | i want to disable onboard and strictly use hp |
| 15:47.56 | cahoot | meder try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1 |
| 15:48.40 | meder | nope |
| 15:48.41 | gunther44 | ok, thanks, i'll create dirs to try and ease that :) |
| 15:48.47 | meder | i can see my headset in volume control |
| 15:48.49 | cahoot | nope? |
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| 15:49.00 | meder | doesn't change anything per se |
| 15:49.06 | meder | i can see my device in vol ctrl |
| 15:49.12 | meder | i moved "Speaker" all the way up |
| 15:49.15 | meder | so it's loud |
| 15:49.21 | meder | and i set Microphone to down |
| 15:49.26 | sdschulze | ems: I'm not sure about the most newbie-safe way to upgrade, maybe someone else knows... |
| 15:49.46 | cahoot | meder you sure you access the correct sounddevice with the mixer? |
| 15:49.55 | meder | cahoot |
| 15:50.00 | meder | there's HDA Intel and Logitech G330 |
| 15:50.07 | meder | I'm selecting the Logitech G330 |
| 15:50.11 | meder | which is my hp |
| 15:50.25 | meder | it's alsa, not me, i think. |
| 15:50.35 | cahoot | give its module index 0 if you want it as default |
| 15:50.36 | meder | and i *know* for sure thousands of others have issues with alsa |
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| 15:50.46 | Mattias | is there a Japanese support channel for Debian? :P |
| 15:51.02 | meder | cahoot: how can i do that |
| 15:51.10 | qq- | !jp |
| 15:51.10 | dpkg | i heard jp is Japan |
| 15:51.27 | cahoot | meder you know the name of its module? |
| 15:51.28 | cantido | Mattias: there was, but it was/is always empty |
| 15:51.40 | ems | Does anyone know the most newbie-safe way to upgrade to squeeze hehe |
| 15:51.42 | cantido | Mattias: the japanese user list was pretty active IIRC |
| 15:52.21 | meder | cahoot: no |
| 15:52.30 | Mattias | Was just wondering ^.^ I'm not the one who needs the help in Japanese though ^.^ |
| 15:52.35 | qq- | ems, /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
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| 15:52.53 | cantido | Mattias: most of the Japanese debian users seem fairly good at English to be honest |
| 15:53.05 | Mattias | yeah, most of em ;D |
| 15:53.07 | cahoot | meder lspci -k might tell you |
| 15:53.12 | ems | Dpkg does not respond to me qq- lol. me and nsadmin tried this the entirenight last night |
| 15:53.35 | qq- | dpkg, squeeze udev |
| 15:53.35 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 15:53.54 | cantido | ponders mai ki-bo-do- issu buro-ken |
| 15:54.14 | meder | cahoot: should i just try to upgrade alsa |
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| 15:55.19 | cahoot | meder: if you're confident the alsaversion is at fault |
| 15:55.33 | meder | worth a shit |
| 15:55.35 | meder | err.. shot |
| 15:55.36 | meder | heh |
| 15:55.38 | meder | brb restart |
| 15:55.55 | Muisje | Hello, is it possible to change the size of a partition while debian runs? (it's the root partition) |
| 15:56.14 | sdschulze | Muisje: no |
| 15:56.17 | AnthLee | you can use gparted from a live envoirment |
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| 15:56.45 | cantido | Muisje: should work if your fs support live growing |
| 15:56.49 | ems | qq-, thanks for trying, but I have no idea what that means |
| 15:56.57 | cantido | I can't think of one that does off of my head |
| 15:57.33 | JyZyXEL | but he asked about partition and not filesystem |
| 15:57.55 | cantido | well, you can change the parition size whenever you like really |
| 15:58.03 | Muisje | meh |
| 15:58.06 | Muisje | gparted = graphical |
| 15:58.17 | AnthLee | and? |
| 15:58.19 | cantido | just don't make it smaller or things will go nuts once the kernel re-reads the partition table |
| 15:58.21 | Muisje | any program that does it without GUI? :p |
| 15:58.25 | JyZyXEL | i don't think kernel can read the new partition sizes tho |
| 15:58.36 | AnthLee | cdfdsk |
| 15:58.39 | cantido | JyZyXEL: partx |
| 15:58.39 | sdschulze | Muisje: cfdisk |
| 15:58.43 | AnthLee | thats it |
| 15:58.46 | Muisje | Ok, the problem is that i want to make a partition smaller... |
| 15:58.55 | qq- | ems, read it again , read it better .. |
| 15:58.56 | Muisje | Or enable LVM on the existing one |
| 15:59.00 | Muisje | either one, is ok for me |
| 15:59.09 | cantido | Muisje: most fs can grow, but can't shrink |
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| 15:59.23 | sdschulze | ems: He told you about one difficulty. |
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| 15:59.45 | sdschulze | not about how to do it :) |
| 15:59.48 | JyZyXEL | ext3 can grow and shrink online? |
| 16:00.10 | cantido | JyZyXEL: ext3 can grow offline but I don't think you can shrink it |
| 16:00.28 | sdschulze | I think you can shrink it offline. |
| 16:00.31 | JyZyXEL | yea it can definitely grow online |
| 16:01.44 | Muisje | Then we shut down the system and boot into our Knoppix Live-CD (or your rescue system) (if the partition you want to resize doesn't hold any system files, you can do everything from the original system; the steps are the same, just omit booting into Knoppix/your rescue system). |
| 16:01.53 | Muisje | this is not going to work for me, because it's a remote server |
| 16:02.01 | Muisje | (http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions) |
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| 16:02.11 | sdschulze | Muisje: The easiest way is probably to use the rescue system of your choice. |
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| 16:02.21 | cantido | Muisje: if it's a remote server don't do it |
| 16:03.44 | cantido | Muisje: if it's a dedicated server or similar you should be using whatever rescue service they have |
| 16:04.20 | djura-san | \o> |
| 16:04.32 | ems | ok so everything is updated for squeeze and sid and im the only jacka-- using lenny probably |
| 16:04.39 | ems | do i have the worst luck ever |
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| 16:05.10 | uatschitchun | Hi |
| 16:05.46 | jordanm | ems: lenny is the current stable release |
| 16:05.50 | uatschitchun | Got a question regarding packaging & python-support & /usr/lib/python*/dist-packages |
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| 16:06.06 | jordanm | uatschitchun: #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:06.07 | ems | jordanm, yes i know but everything is out of date for it already |
| 16:06.24 | jordanm | ems: by "out of date", you mean well tested and stable? |
| 16:06.55 | sdschulze | ems: If it's just for a concrete programs, you should use backports. |
| 16:07.02 | ems | jordanm, Apparently so |
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| 16:07.12 | AnthLee | man over 50% of computers in the world are using xp |
| 16:07.22 | AnthLee | lenny is space age compared to xp ! |
| 16:07.34 | sdschulze | or... |
| 16:07.38 | uatschitchun | jordanm: I just wanted to know, how .so files are getting linked between pyshared & lib/python2.x/dist-packages automgaically |
| 16:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | ems: No, everything is not "out of date". |
| 16:07.52 | meder | AnthLee: not if you consider sound |
| 16:08.02 | sdschulze | wonders if he'll be kickbanned for recommending ems to use Ubuntu. |
| 16:08.09 | meder | linux sound = sh!t |
| 16:08.16 | AnthLee | works fine for me |
| 16:08.33 | sdschulze | in Debian, at least |
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| 16:08.40 | meder | so you've never in your life had sound problems with alsa/debian? |
| 16:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Good sound on four systems with lenny here. |
| 16:08.54 | AnthLee | well |
| 16:08.57 | AnthLee | my life is a longtime ;) |
| 16:08.59 | meder | i suppose its the library itself thats crap |
| 16:09.04 | meder | alsa, that is |
| 16:09.05 | meder | not debian itself |
| 16:09.12 | gnarface | it's not even alsa |
| 16:09.15 | meder | ? |
| 16:09.18 | gnarface | it's the docs and crappy default configuration |
| 16:09.21 | jhutchins_lt | meder: I suspect that it's the person trying to set up the sound system that's crap, it works fine for thousands of people. |
| 16:09.22 | jordanm | uatschitchun: likely with the help of dh_pysupport. you will have to ask the python packagers |
| 16:09.24 | gnarface | the library's functionality is great |
| 16:09.26 | meder | jhutchins_lt: no. |
| 16:09.27 | gnarface | it's awesome |
| 16:09.32 | meder | out of the box, sound *will* work on Windows, always |
| 16:09.38 | meder | sound will not work out of the box on Linux |
| 16:09.39 | gnarface | it's just a pain in the ass to set up the first time because there's like 5x stupid things out of the box |
| 16:09.40 | AnthLee | no |
| 16:09.42 | jhutchins_lt | meder: No it won't. |
| 16:09.44 | AnthLee | thats not true meder |
| 16:09.47 | meder | it's true |
| 16:09.52 | jhutchins_lt | meder: I've seen plenty of windows boxes have trouble with sound. |
| 16:09.55 | ems | jordanm, maybe but nothing works on lenny lol that is for sure |
| 16:09.58 | meder | not to the extent of Linux |
| 16:09.58 | AnthLee | you obviously never tried tracking down drivers for an 8 year old dell .. |
| 16:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | meder: I've seen plenty of debian boxes with sound working by default. |
| 16:10.07 | sdschulze | meder: I can tell you people who did *not* get sound running out of the box on Windows... |
| 16:10.24 | jordanm | ems: nothing works? |
| 16:10.27 | meder | well |
| 16:10.36 | AnthLee | it only works in windows cause dell/compaq ect make it work from the factory |
| 16:10.37 | meder | since debian sound works so nicely, could anyone input on why mine doesn't? |
| 16:10.44 | meder | i have headphones, logitech usb |
| 16:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Restoring a laptop with windows and getting the sound to work is often a real headache. |
| 16:10.45 | gnarface | meder: yes |
| 16:10.48 | AnthLee | whats wrong with it |
| 16:10.53 | meder | i can't hear anything on headphones |
| 16:10.55 | meder | it works inconsistently |
| 16:11.03 | meder | when i start it up once it works, next time it doesn't |
| 16:11.09 | meder | and i don't really do configuration modification during that time |
| 16:11.13 | sdschulze | meder: Do you see it in alsamixer? |
| 16:11.15 | meder | yes |
| 16:11.23 | meder | i will screenshot my alsamixer for you |
| 16:11.27 | meder | so you can see if i did something stupid |
| 16:11.32 | AnthLee | have you tried installing pulse audio? |
| 16:11.41 | jordanm | !tell meder about alsa checklist |
| 16:11.46 | sdschulze | my suspicion: |
| 16:12.19 | gnarface | 99% of the people complaining about alsa trip up on the volumes being muted/off by default, or their window manager or some other program tying it up (lack of hardware mixing by default) |
| 16:12.21 | sdschulze | There is a race condition that sometimes detects your headphones as first audio device and sometimes as second. |
| 16:12.34 | meder | my HDA Intel shows up first on Vol Control |
| 16:12.44 | gnarface | meder: i have one of those too |
| 16:12.50 | gnarface | it works great |
| 16:12.54 | cahoot | give its module index 0 if you want it as default |
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| 16:13.11 | meder | i tried the command you gave, cahoot |
| 16:13.17 | meder | but i wasn't able to see the name, or i couldn't find it |
| 16:13.35 | meder | ill pastebin it this time perhaps, can you tell me again what it was? |
| 16:13.36 | cahoot | meder: I take it it's a usb thingie? |
| 16:13.40 | gnarface | meder: just out of curiosity, the times it doesn't work do you have your web browser open still? |
| 16:13.49 | meder | gnarface: oh, ive had browser specific issues |
| 16:13.52 | meder | i'm not opening any browsers up atm |
| 16:14.09 | meder | in regards to flash and sound and restarting, tons of issues |
| 16:14.12 | sdschulze | http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Linux_and_the_Logitech_USB_Headset |
| 16:15.06 | meder | http://i.imgur.com/Zwn3i.png |
| 16:15.13 | meder | there's the playback for the logitech in alsamixer |
| 16:15.37 | meder | i dont see how alsamixer would be of any use to me |
| 16:15.45 | cahoot | meder: is it a usb headset? |
| 16:15.47 | gnarface | meder: check that you have these packages installed: alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-tools, alsa-utils - then make sure you have pulseaudio and esound NOT installed, then make sure your window manager doesn't have sound effects turned on (most programs fail to use the software-muxed channel by default and that card doesn't appear to do hardware mixing) then make sure your volumes are all up and not muted in alsamixer, exit out of X com |
| 16:15.47 | meder | yessir |
| 16:15.47 | gnarface | pletely once for good measure and that should cover it |
| 16:16.09 | meder | i dont have alsa-oss |
| 16:16.13 | cahoot | echo "Options snd-usb-audio index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf |
| 16:16.16 | meder | i have alsa-base, alsa-tools, alsa-utils |
| 16:16.31 | jordanm | alsa-oss is not required |
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| 16:16.48 | sdschulze | meder: So sound comes out of your Intel sound card instead of the headphones? |
| 16:16.50 | meder | cahoot: do i need to use tee |
| 16:16.53 | gnarface | correct jordanm but it's helpful. alsa-oss is just nice because some programs still default to oss interfaces or don't have an alsa interface at all. stop being a jerk |
| 16:16.59 | meder | sdschulze: by default if i reset all settings it comes out of onboard, yes |
| 16:17.10 | cahoot | meder: if you use sudo |
| 16:17.23 | meder | ill need to sudo tee before or after '>>' ? |
| 16:17.30 | meder | oh, ill just su i guess |
| 16:17.35 | sdschulze | sudo sh -c echo "Options snd-usb-audio index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf |
| 16:17.44 | sdschulze | sudo sh -c 'echo "Options snd-usb-audio index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf' |
| 16:17.54 | meder | ok cahoot |
| 16:17.58 | jelly | sdschulze: fail! |
| 16:18.03 | sdschulze | fail? |
| 16:18.25 | jelly | well, you corrected yourself |
| 16:18.28 | meder | cahoot: what next? reset it? |
| 16:18.37 | cahoot | alsa force-reload |
| 16:18.49 | jelly | likes echo "Options snd-usb-audio index=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf |
| 16:18.52 | jordanm | it still assumes the user has configured sudo to allow a user to run /bin/sh |
| 16:18.56 | cahoot | the headset *show* turn up default |
| 16:19.12 | cahoot | s/show/should/ |
| 16:19.18 | meder | hm |
| 16:19.18 | gnarface | sdschulze: i'd use /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| 16:19.20 | meder | apparently not |
| 16:19.25 | meder | let me look at the options.conf file |
| 16:19.29 | jelly | jordanm: well if they can become root some other way the whole sudo charade is irrelevant |
| 16:19.50 | sdschulze | gnarface: cahoot proposed that, not me... |
| 16:19.58 | cahoot | mea culpa |
| 16:20.10 | meder | yeah, in vol ctrl and alsamixer HDA Intel is still 0 |
| 16:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | Smells like ubuntu. |
| 16:20.17 | meder | i have debian, not ubuntu |
| 16:20.23 | gnarface | sdschulze: my bad |
| 16:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | meder: not you. |
| 16:20.35 | meder | ah :p |
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| 16:21.17 | sdschulze | jhujhiti: but what? |
| 16:21.18 | meder | gnarface: i dont have pulseaudio or esound installed |
| 16:21.29 | meder | they're *NOT* muted in alsamixer |
| 16:21.32 | meder | heh |
| 16:21.41 | meder | i have it raised all the way up |
| 16:22.14 | jordanm | is your user in the audio group? |
| 16:22.24 | meder | lets see |
| 16:22.41 | meder | yessir |
| 16:22.47 | sdschulze | jordanm: Otherwise, sound would not be coming out of the other card. |
| 16:22.49 | gnarface | ok, so here's something you need to know about that card. the 'default' alsa device (as configured on a per-program basis) can play multiple inputs at once, the 'hw' device can not, but doesn't skip under load |
| 16:22.49 | meder | Group Members, Meder is checked |
| 16:22.57 | gnarface | meder: ^^^ my last comment |
| 16:23.13 | ems | sdschulze, ; might you know how to delete a previous version of a new software that i have compiled and installed? |
| 16:23.37 | meder | my alsa is 1.0.23+dfs btw |
| 16:23.45 | meder | alsa-base |
| 16:23.50 | gnarface | meder: you have to check it per-program. plus, i think flash still only worked with the oss interface last i checked, maybe they fixed that though. |
| 16:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | ems: make uninstall? |
| 16:24.01 | sdschulze | ems: You mean you compiled a new version of the program yourself and want to remove the Debian version? |
| 16:24.07 | ems | sdschulze, ; yes |
| 16:24.13 | jordanm | ems: sometimes make uninstall, but it unreliable, and the reason we use package managers |
| 16:24.22 | meder | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 16:24.25 | meder | ^ i tried this as su |
| 16:24.28 | meder | can't hear anything |
| 16:24.29 | meder | onboard or hp |
| 16:24.46 | bint | ehm i'm in /home/user/ and i want to delete all files in this directory... just do a rm -rf * ? |
| 16:24.50 | cahoot | meder 'level' != mute status |
| 16:25.21 | sdschulze | ems: I would rather use backports than compiling things myself. |
| 16:25.38 | ems | backports? Previous Versions? |
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| 16:25.43 | sdschulze | http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 16:25.47 | meder | cahoot: any idea why the modprobe didnt make my usb 0? |
| 16:25.52 | meder | do i need to restart? |
| 16:26.00 | gnarface | meder: keep in mind your window manager may be tying it up. you should exit X completely once after making sure sound effects are turned OFF in the window manager, then come back in and see if the first thing you try works using 'default' or 'hw' as the alsa playback device. |
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| 16:26.10 | cahoot | alsa force-reload didn't do it? |
| 16:26.13 | bimbo | hello, I'm trying to setup a socks5 proxy with ssh, I have a system with gentoo that works fine and I've got another with the same configuration running in a debian system that is not working. |
| 16:26.16 | meder | no, cahoot |
| 16:26.19 | bimbo | the tunnel is created, but when I try to use the proxy keyboard input in the shell is disabled and I can only see connection attemps being debugged (running ssh -D5000 user@host -v) |
| 16:26.25 | bimbo | here's the debugged output |
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| 16:26.29 | bimbo | http://pastie.org/1157080 |
| 16:26.31 | sdschulze | ems: So again, you want to uninstall what you compiled and installed by hand, or the Debian package? |
| 16:26.32 | meder | cahoot: im trying alsa-reload again |
| 16:26.35 | bimbo | can anyone give me a hand on this please? |
| 16:26.40 | meder | no luck |
| 16:26.41 | ems | sdschulze, debian package |
| 16:26.42 | meder | gonna restart |
| 16:27.09 | sdschulze | ems: There are programs to do this. Synaptic or aptitude... |
| 16:27.23 | sdschulze | ems: But I would rather use a backport than compiling things myself. |
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| 16:27.54 | AnthLee | compiling is fun for nostalgia |
| 16:28.03 | sdschulze | Sure it's fun... |
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| 16:28.28 | sdschulze | but not when you lose control over what is installed on your system |
| 16:28.42 | sdschulze | You Gentoo if you enjoy compiling. |
| 16:28.43 | sdschulze | hides. |
| 16:28.48 | sdschulze | *Use |
| 16:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | ems: I strongly encourage you to make your newly compiled version into a debian package before you proceede. |
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| 16:29.21 | meder | restarted, no luck |
| 16:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | sdschulze: Custom compiling lets you set your own switches and defaults. |
| 16:29.26 | meder | let me see what 0 is now |
| 16:29.28 | meder | still HDA intel |
| 16:29.31 | meder | hrm |
| 16:29.38 | sdschulze | jhujhiti: What kind of program is it, BTW? |
| 16:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | sdschulze: Darned if I know. (Good ol' tab completion.) |
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| 16:29.59 | gnarface | meder: /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf, let me show you mine |
| 16:30.08 | sdschulze | sorry |
| 16:30.15 | meder | gnarface: i have what cahoot told me to put in there. |
| 16:30.21 | _abc_ | Hello. Is there a service(s) command equivalent on Debian? service(s) is on Fedora |
| 16:30.27 | sdschulze | ems: What kind of program is it? |
| 16:30.33 | gnarface | # some local module options # |
| 16:30.33 | gnarface | ################################ |
| 16:30.33 | gnarface | options snd_hda_intel index=0 model=6stack-dig enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 |
| 16:30.33 | gnarface | options snd_emu10k1 index=1 |
| 16:30.33 | gnarface | options bttv card=9 tuner=8 |
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| 16:30.34 | jordanm | _abc_: invoke-rc.d |
| 16:30.39 | _abc_ | hehe |
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| 16:30.42 | ems | sdschulze, deluge new version |
| 16:30.46 | gnarface | woops, that didn't work as expected |
| 16:30.49 | jordanm | _abc_: apt-file search bin/service its also available somewhere |
| 16:30.51 | meder | hey cahoot |
| 16:30.56 | meder | was it alsaoptions.conf or options.conf? |
| 16:31.00 | _abc_ | jordanm: thx |
| 16:31.05 | meder | i recall i think you said alsaoptions.conf, but gnarface says options.conf |
| 16:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | _abc_: I always just use /etc/init.d/<daemon> start|stop |
| 16:31.07 | meder | or did I typo? |
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| 16:31.13 | jordanm | meder: doesn't matter, as long as its a file you create locally |
| 16:31.18 | meder | ah. |
| 16:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | _abc_: Learned it that way before RH included the service command. |
| 16:31.25 | _abc_ | jordanm: The idea is that command changes the runlevel configs (adds/removes services) |
| 16:31.31 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I have seen one case where that causes problems due to an unclean environment |
| 16:31.47 | meder | gnarface: hard to uhm know what to do from reading yours |
| 16:31.49 | jordanm | _abc_: service does not do that in fedora, its chkconfig |
| 16:31.49 | _abc_ | example use: http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/ |
| 16:31.55 | sdschulze | ems: And what version of it do you need? |
| 16:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | _abc_: Oh, service doesn't do that. rcconf kinda does, but runlevels are irrelevant in Debian unless you set them up. |
| 16:31.58 | _abc_ | yeah I mean I need both |
| 16:32.03 | meder | cahoot: could I possibly have named the usb device wrongly? |
| 16:32.22 | meder | maybe it's not snd-usb-audio but something else? |
| 16:32.26 | jordanm | _abc_: invoke-rc.d and sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:32.27 | jhutchins_lt | _abc_: chkconfig is available in debian. |
| 16:32.27 | AnthLee | ok I get an error when starting a custom script from a launcher in debian squeeze it outputs Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets |
| 16:32.28 | AnthLee | was not provided by any .service files three times in a terminal |
| 16:32.30 | gnarface | meder: just note how i set the index on both sound cards instead of just one, and note how i set it by the name of the sound card driver, rather than the system alias |
| 16:32.32 | meder | "Options snd-usb-audio index=0" |
| 16:32.37 | meder | gnarface: oh |
| 16:32.41 | _abc_ | jhutchins_lt: package? |
| 16:32.44 | ems | sdschulze, 1.2.3. |
| 16:32.46 | AnthLee | question is what package is this a bug in in debian |
| 16:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions chkconfig |
| 16:32.51 | judd | chkconfig -- lenny: 11.0-79.1-1; sid: 11.0-79.1-2; squeeze: 11.0-79.1-2 |
| 16:33.04 | sdschulze | ems: There is no official backport, but you can make your own one. |
| 16:33.06 | jordanm | !tell ems about es |
| 16:33.08 | meder | gnarface: how do i find out the name of my usb audio |
| 16:33.13 | meder | to verify it's "snd-usb-audio" |
| 16:33.17 | jordanm | !tell ems about as |
| 16:33.18 | meder | and not something that ends in 1/2 |
| 16:33.20 | AnthLee | is it "gksu" "policykit" "polkit-gnome-authentication" |
| 16:34.03 | jordanm | AnthLee: do you use policykit? |
| 16:34.16 | sdschulze | ems: You can download the source package from sid or whatever and compile it on lenny. |
| 16:34.21 | AnthLee | its default in xfce |
| 16:34.23 | AnthLee | so yes |
| 16:34.38 | sdschulze | ems: That's still a lot cleaner than compiling from a vanilla source. |
| 16:34.46 | gnarface | meder: lsmod and check the list for whatever is using the same other modules that your snd-hda-intel driver is using |
| 16:34.49 | gnarface | maybe? |
| 16:34.54 | ems | sdschulze, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:34.55 | ems | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 16:35.01 | ems | im under root |
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| 16:35.21 | AnthLee | i'm pretty ignorant of the whole gksu and authentication stuff |
| 16:35.22 | meder | usbcore 98094 7 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,btusb,usbhid,uhci_hcd, |
| 16:35.30 | sdschulze | ems: another aptitude or synaptic starced? |
| 16:35.31 | meder | underscore not dashes |
| 16:35.34 | meder | maybe that's not |
| 16:35.39 | AnthLee | I need to file a bug but havnt the slightest idea what package I need to file it against =/ |
| 16:35.43 | meder | that's it* |
| 16:35.47 | meder | gnarface: you think so? |
| 16:35.47 | ems | sdschulze, aptitude (when i type aptitude update |
| 16:36.09 | sdschulze | ems: I mean, is another aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, whatever, running? |
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| 16:36.19 | gnarface | meder: i know that modprobe will treat - as _ but i myself always use the _ in the options.conf file. might be it |
| 16:36.19 | ems | sdschulze, no |
| 16:36.22 | thewanderer1 | this pc speaker sound rocks |
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| 16:37.00 | meder | nope |
| 16:37.01 | meder | heh |
| 16:37.03 | meder | damn, i give up |
| 16:37.03 | sdschulze | ems: sudo fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | There's that ubuntu command again. |
| 16:37.22 | gnarface | meder: when you restarted, did you make sure your window manager had sound effects turned off first? |
| 16:37.26 | jordanm | !sudosmite sdschulze |
| 16:37.26 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to sdschulze and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 16:37.29 | meder | not really, gnarface |
| 16:37.32 | meder | i dont know how to do that |
| 16:37.44 | sdschulze | I'm a pround sudo user!!! |
| 16:37.48 | gnarface | meder: if it's kde or gnome there should be a control panel somewhere |
| 16:37.52 | ems | sdschulze, it works thanks. |
| 16:38.22 | sdschulze | and it's one of the few useful inventions of Ubuntu |
| 16:38.28 | jordanm | sdschulze: thats fine, but you can't assume that everyone has it configured the way that you do |
| 16:38.33 | meder | maybe i should just |
| 16:38.38 | meder | use my hp jack |
| 16:38.41 | meder | instead of usb.. |
| 16:38.59 | ems | be back later |
| 16:38.59 | ems | work |
| 16:39.02 | gnarface | meder: i think you should read the docs on the other module options for snd_hda_intel |
| 16:39.03 | jordanm | sdschulze: sudo *is not* a ubuntu invention |
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| 16:39.17 | sirecat | Hey everyone |
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| 16:40.02 | gnarface | meder: i couldn't get mine to play sound out the right ports until i added model=6stack-dig and position_fix=1, also it will only output over digital OR the 1/8th inch jacks... |
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| 16:40.23 | meder | well |
| 16:40.24 | meder | the thing is.. |
| 16:40.30 | meder | mine wasworking fine yesterday |
| 16:40.34 | meder | without any additional configuration |
| 16:40.45 | meder | i didn't update anything in the meantime |
| 16:40.56 | sdschulze | meder: probaby a race condition... |
| 16:41.02 | sdschulze | *probably |
| 16:41.09 | meder | anyway |
| 16:41.13 | thewanderer1 | !enter |
| 16:41.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:41.38 | meder | i am using hp jack instead of usb now. im configuring HDA intel in alsamixer and the "<headphone>" is at 00 volume, i cant even raise it |
| 16:41.41 | meder | is it disabled? |
| 16:41.50 | meder | maybe this has bearing on my usb one? but my usb one was a diff "sound card" |
| 16:42.09 | meder | it completely stays at 00 |
| 16:42.14 | meder | master is at 100. |
| 16:42.19 | sdschulze | meder: Do you want to use the Intel sound card at all, BTW? |
| 16:42.28 | meder | for now, yes, because i am using hp jack? |
| 16:42.43 | meder | do i have an alternative? |
| 16:43.03 | gnarface | what is hp jack? |
| 16:43.09 | meder | headphone jack ( green ) |
| 16:43.11 | sdschulze | If you disabled the driver completely, your USB headset would automatically become the one and only sound card. |
| 16:43.22 | meder | i don't believe i disabled it |
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| 16:43.29 | meder | unless the modprobe edit disabled it |
| 16:43.39 | gnarface | you can check whether it's loaded or not with lsmod |
| 16:43.53 | gnarface | lsmod will also show you how many programs are using it currently |
| 16:43.53 | jelly | meder: try raising the Master and Front knobs if they exist |
| 16:44.02 | meder | the master is at 100 |
| 16:44.06 | gnarface | meder: pcm? |
| 16:44.07 | meder | sec, ill screenshot it |
| 16:44.07 | sdschulze | meder: I was speaking in the conditional sense. |
| 16:44.07 | jelly | meder: and PCM, naturally |
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| 16:44.42 | gnarface | meder: make sure SPDIF is muted |
| 16:45.05 | thewanderer1 | people, how to use a floppy drive? |
| 16:45.13 | thewanderer1 | I'm on Squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-openvz |
| 16:45.21 | thewanderer1 | (amd64) |
| 16:45.22 | gnarface | meder: that card shuts off all the other outputs if the digital port is enabled. mute S/PDIF |
| 16:45.27 | meder | lsmod = http://pastie.org/private/z1opghojmgxo5m0gs1zimg |
| 16:45.42 | jordanm | thewanderer1: last time I did, I used gfloppy or some gui crap |
| 16:45.47 | uatschitchun | if you're at configuring sound, then there's a problem I'm facing, too ... On my media-pc I was able to listen to audio through xine-lib (stereo) and audio with mplayer, vlc, cxfe (surround) through SPDIF ... but yesterday, after watching a movie with vlc, there's no sound anymore?! Even if I use mplayer on cli I only do get analog output ... the receiver recognizes digital but keeps calm ... if I start a video with ac3, I get sound |
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| 16:45.48 | uatschitchun | working over spdif |
| 16:45.51 | meder | pcm was never muted either |
| 16:45.59 | meder | hm. it might be SPDIF |
| 16:46.00 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I don't have a device node for that... |
| 16:46.03 | meder | i see an option for it |
| 16:46.04 | jordanm | thewanderer1: ah, it was kfloppy |
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| 16:46.26 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 16:46.29 | thewanderer1 | what should I do so that Linux recognizes it? |
| 16:46.51 | thewanderer1 | right now it's floppy0: no floppy controllers found |
| 16:47.03 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I thought it was /dev/fd0 |
| 16:47.16 | uatschitchun | here you'll find all relevant info: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=06f6bf3369021c5ae1711828c02618a5e1f3f587 |
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| 16:47.40 | gnarface | meder: that's your lsmod output? snd_hda_intel is the driver for that card. it's not even loaded. all you appear to have loaded is the usb that i can tell |
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| 16:47.58 | gnarface | meder: you're sure it's an HDA Intel audio device right? |
| 16:48.40 | CryptoMole | hey all long ago I used a web-browser called opera on windows how do I try it out on my debian box? |
| 16:49.03 | gnarface | CryptoMole: opera.com has a download for a .deb package. |
| 16:49.09 | meder | gnarface: yes |
| 16:49.12 | meder | HDA Intel 100% |
| 16:49.14 | meder | i see it everywhere. |
| 16:49.16 | uatschitchun | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ sid non-free |
| 16:49.22 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 16:49.36 | CryptoMole | aw but is it anygood feed back pls? |
| 16:49.41 | AnthLee | cryotomole http://www.opera.com/browser/download/ |
| 16:49.52 | uatschitchun | CryptoMole: I love opera! |
| 16:49.57 | CryptoMole | cool |
| 16:50.28 | gnarface | uatschitchun: incidentally it will add that line to your config now. without asking. |
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| 16:50.57 | uatschitchun | gnarface: ? |
| 16:51.26 | gnarface | uatschitchun: this line. the latest .deb files from opera.com add this line for you now deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ sid non-free |
| 16:51.32 | abrotman | is he using sid? |
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| 16:52.08 | thewanderer1 | so my Linux doesn't see the floppy controller |
| 16:52.15 | CryptoMole | sid is for crazy people |
| 16:52.17 | gnarface | abrotman: presumably the package will add it with the right distro name |
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| 16:52.45 | uatschitchun | gnarface: the opera-debs do modify my sources.list? Wtf? |
| 16:52.57 | abrotman | gnarface: so then he'll have two? |
| 16:52.59 | uatschitchun | CryptoMole: replace sid with lenny or whatever you use |
| 16:53.10 | gnarface | uatschitchun: not the sources.list file, something else in the /etc/apt directory |
| 16:53.14 | CryptoMole | hmm |
| 16:53.21 | abrotman | gnarface: a better solution is to have him download the package manually, dpkg -i, aptitude -f ... then it will ask to add itself .. instead of you making horrible assumptions |
| 16:53.24 | uatschitchun | like a virus? |
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| 16:53.27 | gnarface | uatschitchun: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list |
| 16:54.04 | sirecat | I installed ntp and the docs. Went back to change date and time to use internet time, it still says I need to install ntp? |
| 16:54.10 | gnarface | abrotman: what i'm telling you, is that i DID it myself, and what i'm telling you guys is that it added this file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list and now when i do apt-get updates it hits the deb.opera.com server too |
| 16:54.12 | CryptoMole | man I am not on my debian box enough i see |
| 16:54.22 | jordanm | sirecat: what says that? |
| 16:54.29 | gnarface | abrotman: it's nothing even remotely close to a 'wild assumption' it's a tested fact |
| 16:54.30 | abrotman | gnarface: i know what it does .. but i still wouldn't do that |
| 16:54.52 | gnarface | abrotman: i wouldn't do that either. i was complaining about opera here |
| 16:55.01 | sirecat | jordanm: When I actually right click date and time, then change the option from manual to internet time |
| 16:55.08 | abrotman | gnarface: he may start thinking it's okay to add other sid sources .. see the problem now? |
| 16:55.25 | jordanm | sirecat: I haven't a clue what you are talking about. what version of debian is this? |
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| 16:55.50 | uatschitchun | abrotman: there's only this one repo of opera ... afaik |
| 16:55.55 | abrotman | uatschitchun: that's not the point |
| 16:56.02 | uatschitchun | so it's nothing to do with other sid-sources |
| 16:56.07 | jordanm | uatschitchun: really? because mine points the lenny |
| 16:56.20 | gnarface | abrotman: yes, i should have mentioned that part, i didn't even think to ask him if he was using sid |
| 16:56.22 | uatschitchun | ok ... all back! |
| 16:56.54 | abrotman | you should point him at whatever he's using currently |
| 16:57.24 | gnarface | well, i know, it was his idea i was just mentioning that the debs add the line to your config for you now. |
| 16:57.44 | gnarface | what i actually advised was that he go to opera.com and download it himself first |
| 16:57.55 | sirecat | jordanm: Lenny..what is so hard to understand in gnome you go up top on the right and then right click where you see the date and time displayed...this gives you an option to not only change the date and time, but to also allow it to update time throught the internet. Nevermind it is now showing my selection to use internet time updating |
| 16:58.19 | jordanm | many people do not know what sid is, and will happily (and unknowingly) upgrade their boxes to sid if you instruct them to |
| 16:58.39 | jordanm | sirecat: I don't use gnome |
| 16:59.06 | jordanm | I wouldn't think that a regular user or desktop application would be able to change something as important as the system's time |
| 16:59.12 | jordanm | which is where my confusion came from |
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| 16:59.42 | AnthLee | jordanm they can under windows |
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| 17:00.01 | sirecat | jordanm: You still have to authenticate to do it...but I understand what you are saying :-) |
| 17:00.05 | jordanm | no, even in windows it requires privledge escalation or an "administrative" user |
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| 17:00.26 | AnthLee | which in xp was the default user ;) |
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| 17:00.58 | sirecat | Have a great day everyone |
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| 17:02.53 | thewanderer1 | I've loaded the floppy module - now what? |
| 17:03.04 | thewanderer1 | I still can't see the corresponding device node... |
| 17:03.22 | gnarface | did they change the name of it? it used to be /dev/fd0 i thought |
| 17:03.44 | jhutchins_lt | The whole point of sources.d is to let packages drop sources in it. |
| 17:04.02 | uatschitchun | gnarface: abrotman: Tried myself ... you may add the line I mentioned (sid) in squeeze or lenny without problems! You may even use opera's lenny repo for squeeze, etc. ... they only provide statically linked debs without further problems |
| 17:04.17 | abrotman | uatschitchun: they're not 100% static |
| 17:04.19 | thewanderer1 | no /dev/fd0 here |
| 17:04.28 | uatschitchun | abrotman: what not? |
| 17:04.33 | gnarface | uatschitchun: you still shouldn't, it's asking for trouble |
| 17:04.52 | uatschitchun | should & could ... |
| 17:05.22 | gnarface | thewanderer1: check dmesg maybe? i haven't used a floppy in a while |
| 17:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | Often doing things the wrong way will work just fine - until somebody fixes it. |
| 17:05.37 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no relevant entries at all... |
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| 17:08.27 | thewanderer1 | floppy module isn't even complaining |
| 17:08.29 | granquet | can someone explain me why is my /tmp full? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/262047/ |
| 17:08.40 | uatschitchun | gnarface: pls do me a favour and do a diff on these two: http://deb.opera.com/opera/dists/etch/non-free/binary-i386/Packages & http://deb.opera.com/opera/dists/sid/non-free/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 17:11.21 | gnarface | uatschitchun: yes, they're the same. it's also unlikely opera will *ever* bother making a different opera version for each version of debian, however it's still asking for trouble, simply because the configuration will also make sure you won't have any warning before something breaks if for some bizarre reason they do one day |
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| 17:13.14 | uatschitchun | gnarface: ok, I wasn't thinking of anything bizarre ... this is #debian, so I thought of straight, stable & policy-bound ... so far from thinking bizarre ;) |
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| 17:13.50 | CryptoMole | hey mike |
| 17:14.06 | uatschitchun | ok, so how do I get spdif working again for pcm & ac3? |
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| 17:14.28 | CryptoMole | calling MichaelBurns |
| 17:14.39 | uatschitchun | anything a video-player may break? |
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| 17:19.12 | bsund | Hi, not an specific debian question, but i'm on a old lappy I decided to dump lenny on and it is great, however it has both a nipple and and mousepad, however the nipple is borked and spew out crap, it is at /dev/input/mouse1.. How can I disable it? |
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| 17:20.21 | thewanderer1 | bsund: look at `xinput` manpage - it should allow you to do that |
| 17:20.22 | jordanm | I have heard that question before, but been quite a long time and I don't recall the outcome... |
| 17:20.32 | jordanm | thewanderer1: hehe, was it actually you? |
| 17:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | bsund: There is often an option in the BIOS settings. |
| 17:20.40 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: yeah :P |
| 17:20.50 | thewanderer1 | and I think xinput did just that |
| 17:21.13 | jordanm | doesn't know how he remembers random questions like that specifically |
| 17:21.41 | bsund | jhutchins_lt: i've checked it and it was if i remeber correctly more of an option for using external stuff |
| 17:21.49 | bsund | dell bios .. |
| 17:22.00 | bsund | s/dell/dell modified |
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| 17:28.02 | bsund | hmm bit random here, downed a few beers, tried to pull the nipple out of the socket, more or less |
| 17:28.23 | bsund | seems it started to behave |
| 17:28.51 | bsund | can't find anything in xinput that will help the cause though |
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| 17:30.00 | bsund | I have pointed out mouse0 to xorg |
| 17:30.47 | bsund | but mice1 seems to interfere when it spews out crap |
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| 17:31.00 | bsund | maybe it must be done on a bios level |
| 17:32.10 | thewanderer1 | bsund: you just disable an input device |
| 17:33.04 | bsund | I got "Virtual Core Pointer" and "Mouse0" |
| 17:33.17 | bsund | I thought they were the same |
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| 17:34.06 | bsund | that is Mouse1 doesn't show up at all |
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| 17:35.07 | bsund | but it when it goes into crap mode, it seems to make stuff harder for mouse0 |
| 17:35.53 | bsund | Maybe it is how the lappy is wired or bios thingy? |
| 17:35.55 | MichaelBurns | CryptoMole, whats up? |
| 17:36.10 | MichaelBurns | how's it going |
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| 17:45.08 | sprink | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596874 |
| 17:46.37 | uatschitchun | what can I do if only hwac3 is working through spdif, but not pcm stere? |
| 17:46.57 | gnarface | mute the spdif |
| 17:47.13 | gnarface | unplug it then mute it, some of them have jack detection |
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| 17:51.05 | uatschitchun | gnarface: but I don't want to mute it, but get both ac3 & pcm through spdif |
| 17:51.34 | uatschitchun | I had it running for years ... now I only do get ac3, but no spdif |
| 17:51.42 | uatschitchun | sorry, no pcm |
| 17:51.48 | gnarface | uatschitchun: some audio cards don't have that capability... it used to work? |
| 17:52.42 | uatschitchun | yes, until yesterday |
| 17:53.02 | jhutchins_lt | uatschitchun: I presume you updated something? |
| 17:53.07 | uatschitchun | I watched a movie with vlc, stopped it and now only ac3 works?! |
| 17:53.14 | uatschitchun | yesterday? no |
| 17:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | Have you restarted the system since it stopped working? |
| 17:53.40 | uatschitchun | updated it a week before, but all was running fine |
| 17:53.45 | uatschitchun | x-times |
| 17:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | vlc isn't starting in the background, is it? |
| 17:54.23 | uatschitchun | no |
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| 17:55.48 | uatschitchun | I can hear sound like this: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -ac hwac3 /media/buffalo_300/www_lynnemusic_com_surround_test.ac3 ... but not like this: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 Lady\ Gaga\ -\ 01\ -\ Bad\ Romance.mp3 |
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| 17:56.19 | sprink | nice choice of music |
| 17:57.00 | thewanderer1 | thinks that it's just the system protesting against this very particular artist... |
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| 17:58.11 | uatschitchun | sprink: was 1st available |
| 17:58.13 | uatschitchun | ;) |
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| 17:59.42 | Schoentoon | When I enter the crontab -l or crontab -e command I get the following error "crontabs/toon/: fopen: Permission denied", cron still runs fine and when I run the same command as root it works fine, but I need to access the crontab from the user toon. |
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| 18:01.25 | uatschitchun | could it be that a sample-rate is mis-set somehow for pcm? |
| 18:01.47 | thewanderer1 | I had this problem with bluetooth headphones - they don't work to this dayt |
| 18:02.24 | dkr | Schoentoon: so look at the ownership/permissions of /var/spool/crontabs/toon and modify them to give permission to toon |
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| 18:02.48 | thewanderer1 | /var/spool/cron/crontabs/toon |
| 18:02.57 | Schoentoon | Ok thanks, that file said don't edit this file so I wanted to make sure. |
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| 18:03.38 | dkr | note the corrected path. I forgot a dir. :) |
| 18:04.02 | dkr | does anyone actually use at jobs? |
| 18:04.26 | Schoentoon | Didn't do the trick, it is in the group crontab shouldn't that be toon? |
| 18:04.28 | jordanm | what was it that I file a bug against when I want to file one for the bug tracking system? |
| 18:04.55 | jordanm | nvm, I found it, debbugs |
| 18:05.12 | thewanderer1 | dkr: I do |
| 18:05.15 | gnarface | i use at jobs |
| 18:05.21 | gnarface | they're nice for cooking alarms |
| 18:05.45 | gnarface | decent wake-up alarm if you don't do it often too |
| 18:05.46 | thewanderer1 | yes, and reservations that are open from a certain day of month only :) |
| 18:06.21 | stew | jordanm: there is also the bugs.debian.org pseudo package |
| 18:06.37 | thewanderer1 | anyway, the crontab binary is setgid, so the user's crontab file should be in group crontab |
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| 18:07.13 | jordanm | stew: ah, that is more appropriate as my issue is specific to the website |
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| 18:07.41 | ColgateRaider | I was wondering how well Debian does on a 2010 Macbook pro. I tried ubuntu but it uses the nvidia card by default and the whole laptop runs very hot. |
| 18:07.48 | dkr | Schoentoon: it should be chown toon:crontab and the crontabs dir should be chmod 1730 |
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| 18:10.36 | uatschitchun | ColgateRaider: doesn't *buntu uses nouveau by default? |
| 18:11.01 | ColgateRaider | uatschitchun: pardon my ignorance but what is nouveau? |
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| 18:11.39 | thewanderer1 | !nouveau |
| 18:11.39 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 18:12.51 | thewanderer1 | ColgateRaider: if the said notebook has two GPU's, then you might have more luck with the most recent kernels - 2.6.35 contains the VGA switcheroo which should let you switch the output without rebooting. or select that in the BIOS... |
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| 18:13.42 | ColgateRaider | thewanderer1: macbook pros dont really have a BIOS.. |
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| 18:16.27 | thewanderer1 | ColgateRaider: I didn't know that - then you probably have to use vga switcheroo |
| 18:17.23 | thewanderer1 | how to use that - I don't know, I haven't ventured to 2.6.35 since it gave me random bugs related to a NIC |
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| 18:20.51 | uatschitchun | so noone with an idea on how to debug pcm through spdif not working? |
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| 18:21.43 | jhutchins | Schoentoon: What are the user and group of that file? |
| 18:23.16 | jhutchins | uatschitchun: I think it's wierd that vlc would have somehow changed the configuration so that it doesn't work. |
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| 18:24.00 | uatschitchun | jhutchins: that's me thinking, too |
| 18:24.21 | eft | hi. how can I use the --command option or otherwise cd to the user's home directory when I enter sudo su -s /bin/bash user-name |
| 18:24.33 | uatschitchun | how can I set the sampling rate for pcm? |
| 18:25.45 | jordanm | eft: "sudo su" is wrong and only useful in environments with broken sudo configurations |
| 18:26.25 | jordanm | eft: su -c 'cd /; ls' |
| 18:26.55 | jordanm | and "sudo -i" is the proper way to get an interactive sudo shell |
| 18:28.03 | jhutchins | jordanm: I cam see sudo su when user a wants to become user b: sudo su - userb |
| 18:28.31 | jordanm | jhutchins: sudo -u userb -i |
| 18:28.54 | jhutchins | Hm, never used the -u - then again, I hardly ever use sudo, I just become root. |
| 18:29.10 | jordanm | right, along with most of the others in here |
| 18:29.26 | jhutchins | Goes back to my days as a mainframe operator. |
| 18:29.37 | jordanm | things like "sudo su" and "cat | grep" just irritate me for some reason :) |
| 18:29.52 | IRConan | cat | less is another common one |
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| 18:30.15 | amanita_ | jhutchins: you can type su in debian then your root password |
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| 18:30.32 | jhutchins | amanita_: I always use the proper form, su - |
| 18:31.27 | IRConan | I generally do sudo -u <user> -i |
| 18:31.42 | jordanm | the best is when a user asks a question, starts a discussion, and then hides |
| 18:31.56 | eft | who's hiding |
| 18:31.58 | eft | ? |
| 18:32.31 | eft | I'm thinking - lot to digest |
| 18:32.45 | eft | different opinions - which is best etc... |
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| 18:34.50 | jordanm | !wayttd |
| 18:34.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 18:34.51 | seicherlbob | hi there! i have some module/driver issues with my TV-Card. dmesg gives me the following error: saa7133[0]/dvb: failed to attach tda10046; saa7133[0]/dvb: frontend initialization failed - no clue, as the card was already working on that kernel. Any suggestions how to fix that? |
| 18:34.59 | RichiH | what editor do i want for editing svgs? |
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| 18:35.33 | jordanm | RichiH: emacs? |
| 18:35.51 | amanita_ | RichiH: svg graphics? |
| 18:35.55 | seicherlbob | RichiH: you could hack a litte with nano or any other editor. I think gimp supports them aswell. |
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| 18:36.14 | jordanm | it appears emacs even supports displaying svg images |
| 18:36.31 | amanita_ | RichiH: Inkscape definitely. |
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| 18:36.45 | jhutchins | emacs supports changing your car's transmission fluid. |
| 18:37.15 | seicherlbob | can i somehow update/rebuild kernel driver modules? |
| 18:37.23 | {g} | Hey People! Is there a way to find out if 2 virtual machines are located on the same physical machine when you have root access to both virtual machines? |
| 18:37.41 | eft | I'm try to switch to the context of a system user and navigate to the home directory of the system user |
| 18:37.48 | RichiH | amanita_: yah, seems like inkscape is my best option |
| 18:37.49 | RichiH | thanks |
| 18:37.50 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: Yes. |
| 18:37.50 | seicherlbob | {g}: if they are there? try ps and grep for e.g. kvm |
| 18:38.11 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: can i rebuild the saa7134 module then? |
| 18:38.11 | jhutchins | {g}: route? |
| 18:38.13 | {g} | seicherlbob: "ps | grep kvm" ? |
| 18:38.23 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: Yes, you can. |
| 18:38.26 | seicherlbob | {g}: if the are running with kvm |
| 18:38.42 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: can you tell me how to do that? |
| 18:38.45 | jhutchins | doesn't know an saa7134. |
| 18:38.53 | {g} | jhutchins: would route tell me something? all boxes are in the same datacenter. |
| 18:38.54 | jhutchins | from a doorknob. |
| 18:39.09 | {g} | seicherlbob: i think they are running on xen. |
| 18:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, it is... it's pretty canny - although someone claimed it produces svg like word produces html... :) |
| 18:39.15 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: Now we get to the real question. |
| 18:39.21 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: What kind of module is it? |
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| 18:39.37 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: driver module for TV-Cards |
| 18:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, there's also xaralx and sketch in the vector graphics department (but they don't have svg as their native storing format) and some more specialized stuff like "dia" for diagrams etc |
| 18:40.53 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: I'd look at the guides to building nvida modules and go from there. (/msg dpkg nvidia) |
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| 18:42.13 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: <package recompile> and <uupdate> both focus on packages as opposed to modules. |
| 18:42.31 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: I haven't had to do it on debian. |
| 18:42.32 | jordanm | jhutchins: the nvidia drivers can not be backported |
| 18:42.40 | jordanm | I missed the beginning of the discussion.... |
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| 18:43.18 | {g} | seicherlbob: any idea for xen? |
| 18:43.18 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: what do you mean with <package recompile> and <uupdate> |
| 18:43.25 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: see also <module-assistant> and http://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
| 18:43.28 | jordanm | seicherlbob: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 18:43.34 | seicherlbob | {g}: sorry. I use kvm |
| 18:43.47 | jhutchins | jordanm: Well, they COULD be, with a lot of work. |
| 18:44.09 | jordanm | jhutchins: I don't think so. the newer modules require the newer glx, which requires a newer xorg |
| 18:44.15 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: thing is, i dont know the package |
| 18:44.15 | jhutchins | jordanm: Real mess though. One of the rare instances where "install squeeze" is a possible solution. |
| 18:44.46 | jordanm | jhutchins: right... you can backport some drivers from snapshots, which has the new-era support without the new-era xorg requirements |
| 18:44.50 | amanita_ | !wiir |
| 18:44.50 | dpkg | somebody said wiir was When It Is Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 18:44.57 | jordanm | but it will FTBFS on anything bug i386 |
| 18:45.09 | jordanm | s/bug/but/ |
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| 18:45.46 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: It's in the kernel source. |
| 18:46.07 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: so what package should i recompile then? the kernel? |
| 18:46.13 | jhutchins | jordanm: There's always the prospect of backporting xorg. |
| 18:46.35 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: You shouldn't have to recompile the whole kernel, just that module from the kernel. |
| 18:47.03 | jordanm | jhutchins: hehe, probably requires new udev |
| 18:47.13 | jordanm | ,depends xserver-xorg --release squeeze |
| 18:47.14 | judd | xserver-xorg -- depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.7), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-6, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-7, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, libc6 (>= 2.7), xkb-data (>= 1.4), x11-xkb-utils. |
| 18:47.20 | jordanm | ,depends xserver-xorg-core --release squeeze |
| 18:47.21 | judd | xserver-xorg-core -- depends: xserver-common (>= 2:1.7.7-4), xserver-xorg, keyboard-configuration, udev (>= 149), libaudit0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.2), libpciaccess0 (>= 0.10.7), libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.15.16), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.82), libudev0 (>= 0.140), libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1 (>= 1:1.2.9). |
| 18:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | seicherlbob, err, what did you figure out is the problem? |
| 18:47.28 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: we are running in circles or i've googled to much for today: how would i recompile that module then? |
| 18:47.39 | jhutchins | I think it's called "the point of diminishing returns". |
| 18:47.44 | jordanm | jhutchins: if anything is not backportable, its udev :) |
| 18:47.50 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: that the TV-Card fails to register as adapter |
| 18:48.02 | jhutchins | jordanm: Know of a module recompile guide? |
| 18:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that was the problem, not the cause :) |
| 18:48.26 | jordanm | jhutchins: no, not unless its using module-assistant |
| 18:48.30 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: The best I can do is show you those resources I pointed you to, that would be where I would start. |
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| 18:48.43 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: I've done this on other distros but not debian. |
| 18:48.47 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it is the problem. I dont know the cause. I reinstalled VDR, thats what i did |
| 18:49.03 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: Usually, if you can get the source for just the module (from the maintainer's page), it's easier. |
| 18:49.17 | seicherlbob | jhutchins: ok. I will try to install it manually |
| 18:49.27 | jhutchins | seicherlbob: Try module assistant. |
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| 18:50.05 | jhutchins | Does Debina's kernel source include a complete makefile for each module, or is it all one common file? |
| 18:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | seicherlbob, hm, you saw this, I guess? http://www.mail-archive.com/linuxtv-commits@linuxtv.org/msg00268.html |
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| 18:51.30 | jhutchins | would like to see a bit more stability in xorg, and a little less "Boldly forward, who cares what breaks!". |
| 18:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that btw one of the cards that work with the new digital tv that's around everywhere here? |
| 18:52.32 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: that commit is exactly about the message that i receive. |
| 18:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, I would also like to see about 200MB less memory consumption... |
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| 18:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | seicherlbob, right... I still have problems understanding what it actually _means_, though... what ID are they talking about? |
| 18:53.41 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: ID? |
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| 18:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the comment to the patch... : "Sometimes, loading/unloading this firmware makes tda1004x to return an invalid ID. However, there were no printk messages to help to identify what were the cause for the error." |
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| 18:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | seicherlbob, if you have firmware for that on your machine, perhaps would be worth a try to replace that... |
| 18:56.51 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check something |
| 18:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't fully understand that comment about the incorrect ID and whose fault it is that it's returned wrong |
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| 18:57.45 | Gijs | how to see the uptime of a process? |
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| 18:58.02 | simonrvn | man ps |
| 18:58.18 | Gijs | ... |
| 18:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, that gives me a manpage! |
| 18:58.41 | jhutchins | I also don't like the windows-like kernel integration - I LIKE seperate console mode |
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| 18:58.50 | jhutchins | ,versions konversation |
| 18:58.50 | simonrvn | ohnoez |
| 18:58.52 | judd | konversation -- etch: 1.0.1-1; lenny: 1.1-1; sid: 1.3.1-1; squeeze: 1.3.1-1 |
| 18:59.18 | seicherlbob | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll install the newest version via mercurial. we'll see then |
| 18:59.37 | wieshka | hey folks - how can i send all traffic over vpn |
| 18:59.51 | jhutchins | wieshka: set the default route. |
| 18:59.53 | wieshka | VPNs gateway must be as default ? |
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| 19:00.11 | RedLizard | When making a debian package, how should i handle files with unusual owners that are to be created by the package's postinst script? Should I just chown the files post-facto in the postinst file? |
| 19:00.27 | ems | be right back all |
| 19:01.06 | jordanm | RedLizard: check with #debian-mentors on oftc. I recall a section of policy covering this\ |
| 19:01.12 | wieshka | jhujhiti: |
| 19:01.25 | wieshka | sorr |
| 19:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, and actually, I don't think one can see the total age of a process |
| 19:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't find anything on it either |
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| 19:02.02 | simonrvn | ps auxw you can |
| 19:02.15 | wieshka | ifconfig ppp0 inet netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:02.16 | wieshka | route add -net ${NET} dev ${IFACE} |
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| 19:02.25 | RedLizard | ah, i *knew* there had to be something like #debian-devel somewhere :) |
| 19:02.26 | simonrvn | simon 4337 0.0 0.3 7160 1564 pts/7 Ss 13:55 0:01 zsh |
| 19:02.27 | themill | RedLizard: check §10.9 of policy -- you should use dpkg-statoverride |
| 19:02.31 | wieshka | but i have it already as default device |
| 19:02.38 | jordanm | RedLizard: thats also on oftc |
| 19:02.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | the w only increases the length... usually of the last entry, which can be long |
| 19:02.43 | seicherlbob | omg... i think i know what might have caused it... I recompiled the drivers with the S2liplianin driver... maybe they are conflicting |
| 19:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a "start" entry, but that only gives me a date |
| 19:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
| 19:03.16 | RedLizard | themill: that seems to do it, thanks :) |
| 19:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably enough.. dates are around Sep80 and so |
| 19:03.33 | simonrvn | it's approximate after a while, but gives you an idea. |
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| 19:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sep08* |
| 19:04.22 | RedLizard | jordanm: yeah, i kind of assumed freenode would be debian's home network due to the largest #debian being located there, but that turns out to be an oversimplification :) |
| 19:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably can get a better reading if you use a custom field |
| 19:04.37 | themill | RedLizard: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 19:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | never saw that column :) |
| 19:04.57 | jordanm | RedLizard: yeah, freenode channel is unofficial |
| 19:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedLizard, life is stranger than fiction |
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| 19:05.24 | RedLizard | so it appears :) |
| 19:05.55 | jhutchins | 11 channels on 3 servers should not equal 90% CPU in konversation. |
| 19:06.06 | jhutchins | Rip out, restore config from working system, reinstall. |
| 19:06.18 | bzrk_ | then use irssi |
| 19:07.12 | jhutchins | Yeah, I should set up a single common irssi session with screen. |
| 19:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I tell myself too... |
| 19:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | for years |
| 19:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:08.03 | jhutchins | <grin> |
| 19:08.29 | jhutchins | Well, I gotta go see if the rain will hold off long enough to unload the truck and go get the new sofa. |
| 19:08.39 | jhutchins | l9rs. |
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| 19:08.55 | jordanm | I finally got around to doing it about 6mo-1yr ago. the only thing I miss from xchat is notifications that I have been highlighted |
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| 19:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: There's probably a way to do that... |
| 19:12.54 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: if there is that would be nice, because it give possibility for also notification when I get email |
| 19:13.04 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: now I have to C-a 1 and press enter to see if I have mail |
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| 19:14.58 | edju | Doesn't an edit of fstab take effect immediately? |
| 19:17.25 | aidaho | editor /etc/fstab@@mount -a should do the trick |
| 19:18.19 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.30 | aidaho | yes |
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| 19:32.10 | thewanderer1 | can I set network-manager so that it executes a script upon connecting to one particular network? |
| 19:32.44 | thewanderer1 | or should I rather do that using if-up.d and custom scripts? |
| 19:34.18 | thewanderer1 | what I want to do is basically mount /home from NFS when I'm home and mount it from elsewhere when I'm not home |
| 19:35.01 | brummbaer | oooh... interesting proposition |
| 19:36.25 | thewanderer1 | I intended to write a script/hook for that, but I'll only do it if there's no other way |
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| 19:39.58 | jon8 | in the default debain gui interface, how does one change the font size for the "Terminal" window. |
| 19:40.32 | l0st-soul | edit - profile preferences ? |
| 19:41.06 | l0st-soul | or xterm ? |
| 19:41.13 | jon8 | ah, there it is.. |
| 19:41.16 | jon8 | i must of overlooked it |
| 19:41.25 | jon8 | sorry for what must be the most retarded question ever. :) |
| 19:41.38 | l0st-soul | at least its one i can answer for once :) |
| 19:41.57 | jon8 | haha, thanks bud |
| 19:41.57 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I would probably script it in some way using post-up in interfaces |
| 19:42.22 | jordanm | oh, you suggested that for yourself already |
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| 19:54.39 | hjf2010 | can anyone help me disable the framebuffer console on intel GMA950 ( 945G)? I have it connected to the VGA input of an LCD tv. EDID seems to be wrong cause it auto sets a resolution and then the TV says "mode not supported" |
| 19:54.58 | hjf2010 | i lsmod|grep fb but i dont see any fb modules loaded? |
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| 19:59.07 | cusco | hi |
| 19:59.22 | cusco | im preparing a mysql server and Im putting a disk alone to /var/lib/mysql |
| 19:59.35 | cusco | to achieve slightly better performance |
| 19:59.45 | cusco | what filesystem will give best performance and still be reliable |
| 19:59.49 | cusco | ? |
| 19:59.50 | cusco | ext3 ? |
| 19:59.52 | thewanderer1 | ext4 |
| 20:00.08 | cusco | but that is still beta right? |
| 20:00.12 | thewanderer1 | unless you're on lenny and without backports - then ext3 |
| 20:00.19 | thewanderer1 | well, not in Squeeze |
| 20:00.40 | cusco | I use testing on my machine, but on a production server I will not dare to |
| 20:00.46 | thewanderer1 | ext4 has no "beta" and is considered production-quality now in 2.6.32 kernels |
| 20:00.48 | cusco | ext4 is still to young and I am afraid |
| 20:00.57 | cusco | I've seen wiki page stating loads of bugs |
| 20:01.11 | thewanderer1 | I've seen some breakage reports on 2.6.30 a few days ago but that was probably a disk problem |
| 20:01.28 | thewanderer1 | well, all I can say is: works for me |
| 20:01.48 | cusco | hmmm I don't dare yet... |
| 20:01.59 | thewanderer1 | it's up to you :P |
| 20:02.26 | cusco | im tempted, but Im afraid... |
| 20:02.58 | thewanderer1 | (I'd recommend using optimized NFS over 10GbE with OpenSolaris as a backend, but now that the project is dead, the outcome would not be quite future-proof) |
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| 20:05.37 | thewanderer1 | why don't you try ext4 with a backup on ext3? or better, zfs? :P |
| 20:06.08 | thewanderer1 | some like to take that to extremes, like ramdisk + stable backing store |
| 20:08.01 | brummbaer | i've never had issues w/ ext4 |
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| 20:08.24 | xope | hi guys |
| 20:08.45 | xope | is there a way to prevent the debian netinstall from backing a kernel higher than i386? |
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| 20:09.00 | ziarkaen | Should I have just *one* SSH key (for github, ssh server access, email signature, etc.). I always end up with multiple ones... |
| 20:10.19 | thewanderer1 | ziarkaen: this is your own personal decision - I use multiple keys for instance, which is not exactly convenient but makes me feel more confident |
| 20:10.56 | Tramp | you can sign E-Mails with an ssh key? |
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| 20:11.31 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, but it *should* work, they are RSA/DSA keys after all |
| 20:11.44 | thewanderer1 | I guess your favourite search engine will tell you about that |
| 20:11.49 | ziarkaen | Tramp, Have you never seen an email with a signature block at the bottom? |
| 20:12.01 | Tramp | ziarkaen: signed with an ssh key? no. |
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| 20:12.24 | ziarkaen | Ah wait. I'm confused. |
| 20:12.50 | MichaelBurns | Anyone here have any SAN experience? |
| 20:12.51 | Tramp | no client I know of would support that |
| 20:14.25 | thewanderer1 | one thing is certain - there are tools for converting gpg to ssh key format |
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| 20:15.45 | thewanderer1 | and ssh client can use gpg keys, it seems |
| 20:17.06 | [raven] | dpkg, live |
| 20:17.07 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 20:17.26 | [raven] | :) thanks dpkg |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | xope: huh ? the kernel isn't i386 .. it's either -486 or -686 or -amd64 |
| 20:18.33 | Tramp | well, converting the key - which is just a bunch of numbers - into the different formats needed by the clients is certainly possible. It's just not that they understand each other's format (moreso if the privkey is password protected) and I don't see the point in doing this (probably tedious) conversion |
| 20:19.09 | thewanderer1 | I keep separate keys for everything - works for me, and ssh-agent helps the situation much |
| 20:19.23 | xope | abrotman, but in grub its called i686 |
| 20:19.37 | abrotman | okay, so what's the problem? |
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| 20:19.37 | xope | abrotman, is there a way to set it to i486? |
| 20:19.45 | abrotman | do you really want -486? |
| 20:19.59 | abrotman | install linux-image-486 .. ont sure why you'd want to though |
| 20:20.11 | xope | abrotman, ive installed it in a vbox on a i686 host, but the machine I want to use is i586 |
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| 20:21.57 | jordanm | i586 was only pentium and pentium pro, wasn't it? |
| 20:22.21 | nooper | ppro was i686 i think |
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| 20:23.15 | jordanm | yeah, I was just looking at the wikipedia page. looks like only the orginal pentiums |
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| 20:38.01 | thewanderer1 | my desktop feels rather choppy - when I open/close windows, it looks as if I was working over VNC, but I'm local... |
| 20:38.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so my Dell Mini netbook works perfect with Debian stable "Lenny" only issue I have is that the audio doesnt work unless I download the sources for alsa-driver, alsa-utils, and like one other package, compile and install them. Someone said something before about using a backported kernel, if Im not mistaking, and was wondering if I should take a look at http://backports.debian.org/ for a backported kernel from the testing branch and se |
| 20:39.35 | foetus | has been finished and imaged his new 5.0.6 server.. work done. |
| 20:40.12 | hjf2010 | can anyone help me troubleshoot a shutdown issue? i send "poweroff", and it stops at "Will now halt." |
| 20:40.36 | thewanderer1 | hjf2010: does your system support ACPI or APM? |
| 20:40.37 | hjf2010 | doesnt reboot either (debian squeeze/intel atom d945gclf) |
| 20:40.50 | thewanderer1 | ah... |
| 20:40.59 | thewanderer1 | this is probably an ACPI issue |
| 20:41.17 | foetus | yes. |
| 20:41.21 | thewanderer1 | actually, the ACPI implementation on D945GCLF* is the worst I've seen |
| 20:41.27 | hjf2010 | FWIW it's gpxe+iscsi |
| 20:42.42 | thewanderer1 | uh oh, resizing windows takes ages for me |
| 20:42.57 | hjf2010 | but it wont reboot either. i dont think reboot has anything to do with ACPI/APM... right? |
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| 20:43.44 | thewanderer1 | hmm, last time I checked on an ACPI-less machine, I could reboot fine |
| 20:43.50 | barque | how do I keep the Debian net-installer from installing 800 or so packages without my consent? |
| 20:44.03 | thewanderer1 | barque: disable whatever you don't need |
| 20:44.19 | barque | if it gave me the option, it'd be very nice |
| 20:44.31 | thewanderer1 | didn't it present you the package selection screen? |
| 20:44.34 | barque | no |
| 20:44.41 | thewanderer1 | then you're using a strange installer |
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| 20:45.16 | thewanderer1 | I hope it's not "graphical install" or anything like that |
| 20:45.19 | barque | debian-506-i386-netinst.iso <= this is what I got off the Debian website |
| 20:45.21 | barque | yeah it is |
| 20:45.24 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 20:45.41 | thewanderer1 | you should know that the graphical install is mostly a gimmick, not a working, widely-used tool |
| 20:45.49 | barque | -_- |
| 20:45.50 | dondelelcaro | the graphical installer actually does work |
| 20:46.06 | thewanderer1 | yes, but still does not keep up to the text installer |
| 20:46.07 | barque | so I should use the expert install? |
| 20:46.08 | dondelelcaro | and it asks the same questions that the normal install does, typically |
| 20:46.22 | dondelelcaro | barque: if you don't want it deciding to install packages for you, then yes, you kind of need to do that. |
| 20:46.24 | barque | there is a installer in text with the same questions |
| 20:46.39 | barque | what's funny is that it gets stuck on the very last package |
| 20:46.44 | foetus | yes, it works, would prefer the expert mode.. |
| 20:47.03 | thewanderer1 | thinks that the "expert install" has nothing to do with being an expert and always chooses that :P |
| 20:47.15 | foetus | =-O |
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| 20:48.17 | hjf2010 | ok, reboot doesnt work either. hangs at "will now halt" |
| 20:48.17 | foetus | like to see the PLD Message from Yesterday.. |
| 20:48.23 | hjf2010 | well actually it doesnt "hang" |
| 20:48.32 | hjf2010 | if i SysRq+B i can force a reboot |
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| 20:49.00 | thewanderer1 | hjf2010: the reboot process probably makes some assumptions |
| 20:49.11 | thewanderer1 | like "should do that by ACPI" |
| 20:49.22 | hjf2010 | should I have a module called ACPI? |
| 20:49.49 | thewanderer1 | hmm no, it's not loaded on my D945GCLF2 |
| 20:50.05 | thewanderer1 | you could try booting with 'noacpi' option or whatever it was called |
| 20:50.09 | thewanderer1 | acpi=off ? |
| 20:50.21 | thewanderer1 | then at least reboot could work |
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| 20:50.50 | monkey_d_luffy | A friend lended me a Linksys WRT54GS (using the DD-WRT linux), but I can't get the wireless to work. And this is the first time I'm using wireless. I think the laptop has the wifi card working, since I can scan networks (all of them are protected). But I'm unable to connect to my network, even after I disabled wifi security. |
| 20:51.19 | thewanderer1 | monkey_d_luffy: what network card? do you have the firmware if needed? |
| 20:51.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | I found a backported kernel for lenny at http://backports.debian.org, now if I install this kernel, there is a good chance that my audio will work without having to compile stuff? |
| 20:51.34 | jordanm | thewanderer1: scanning won't work without firmware |
| 20:51.40 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: which type of security are you using? |
| 20:51.43 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I wouldn't be so sure... |
| 20:51.57 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it doesn't on all of the cards that I've seen which use firmware |
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| 20:52.13 | monkey_d_luffy | dondelelcaro: I was using WPA2 personal, but I've disabled it now for the sake of getting it to work. |
| 20:52.27 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: using a kernel from backports worked for me on some ASUS laptop, so it might work for you as well |
| 20:52.37 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: and you had wpa-supplicant installed, I assume? were you using network-manager or something else? |
| 20:52.38 | barque | WPA2-AES is not bad |
| 20:52.45 | barque | WPA-TKIP has a DoS bug recently found |
| 20:52.56 | barque | pretty scary eh? |
| 20:52.58 | thewanderer1 | barque: what about AES+TKIP? |
| 20:53.13 | barque | huh? that makes little sense |
| 20:53.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: Ok Ill give it a go. Do I just "su && dpkg -i linux-image-xxxxx.deb" and thats it? |
| 20:53.24 | barque | you either use WPA+TKIP or WPA2+AES |
| 20:53.58 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: well, you could add the repo to sources.list, but either way it'll work |
| 20:54.16 | thewanderer1 | barque: hmm, my DD-WRT states the opposite |
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| 20:54.24 | barque | lol these routers are awesome |
| 20:54.36 | monkey_d_luffy | dondelelcaro: yes, I have wpa-supplicant installed and am also using network-manager (even though I would like to learn the wifi-utils way... but first things first). |
| 20:54.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: Ok, So the system will just see it as the newest kernel on the machine and just start using it after reboot? |
| 20:54.42 | foetus | is introducing: TLS is better known as TrzyLiterowy Skrot now |
| 20:54.42 | barque | I've seen strange these espouted from these routers |
| 20:55.04 | thewanderer1 | LinuxGuy2009: your boot loader should see that as a new kernel, yes |
| 20:55.14 | barque | wait seems like WPA2 does support AES+TKIP |
| 20:55.14 | foetus | hahaa.. |
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| 20:55.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: Sweet cant wait to try it out. Crossing my fingers. I can't live without my Debian. |
| 20:55.40 | barque | kind of redundant |
| 20:55.44 | _stefanos_ | good evening people. I have just installed icedove and went to "Help > About Icedove..." and refers to Mozillar Thunderbird and the Thunderbird logos. Since Icedove is a re-branded software, is it necessary to refer to Mozilla Thunderbird or Thunderbird logos? Because it's not using it at all. |
| 20:55.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | thewanderer1: Thank you. |
| 20:55.57 | _stefanos_ | I use Debian Lenny |
| 20:56.01 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: ok; I'm personally more familiar with setting up wpa-supplicant manually, since I don't use network-manager |
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| 20:56.14 | thewanderer1 | is reverting to cables if AES in WPA2 gets broken somehow :P |
| 20:56.52 | barque | lol |
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| 20:56.56 | barque | that is unlikely |
| 20:57.00 | barque | AES is time tested |
| 20:57.18 | avishai | can anyone help with a packaging question |
| 20:57.34 | DDRP | pbuilder solves all packaging problems ;) |
| 20:57.38 | DDRP | or something like that |
| 20:57.48 | monkey_d_luffy | dondelelcaro: show me the way and I'll follow :) By manually you mean wifi-utils (iwconfig, iwlist) ? |
| 20:57.54 | foetus | cables are a good choice sometimes, probably :-[ |
| 20:58.11 | hjf2010 | i think the error is iSCSI-boot related |
| 20:58.20 | hjf2010 | i disabled "quiet" from the kernel command line |
| 20:58.36 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: no, I mean using /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:58.51 | hjf2010 | now after will now halt i get: synchronizing iscsi cache and a few minutes ater "detected conn error" |
| 20:59.00 | dondelelcaro | monkey_d_luffy: for wpa, you have to either use network-manager (or similar) to configure it, or the wpa configuration file |
| 20:59.13 | dondelelcaro | (network-manager is probably easier, so someone else may be better to explain) |
| 20:59.43 | thewanderer1 | monkey_d_luffy, dondelelcaro: I would seriously start with checking if the card firmware is installed |
| 20:59.59 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: thanks for the quick reply to my bug report. |
| 20:59.59 | thewanderer1 | I'm convinced I've seen a guy here with similar problems... |
| 21:00.05 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: np |
| 21:00.10 | monkey_d_luffy | thewanderer1: yes, I did install it: firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:00.26 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: most likely that's your browser that's screwing up, but it could also be some sort of cache in between, or something else wierd |
| 21:00.26 | thewanderer1 | monkey_d_luffy: rebooted after that? is it loaded now? |
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| 21:00.47 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: if you were seeing it on a bug page, the output of HEAD page blah blah; or wget -S -O /dev/null http://blahblabhalbh would be useful |
| 21:01.18 | devrethman | How do you tell dhcpd3-server what interface to listen on? as far as I can tell it's configured correctly, but it says "dhcpd: Bind socket to interface: no such device" to the syslog when I try to start it |
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| 21:02.03 | thewanderer1 | devrethman: if you mean the ISC daemon, it binds to all interfaces and then just answers requests selectively... |
| 21:02.15 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: you set it in /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 21:02.33 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't, it binds to them all except for loopback) |
| 21:02.33 | monkey_d_luffy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.27 | thewanderer1 | monkey_d_luffy: the things to look at are: distance from the access point (the most common cause of failure is bad signal), the logs (/var/log/daemon.log) and whether DHCP is running/configured or not, as well as the server (router) logs |
| 21:04.52 | devrethman | dondelelcaro: that looks like what I"m looking for, but setting it there doesn't fix it. |
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| 21:05.02 | foetus | loves his new mysql client: heidisql ..but..its not debian related..so its offtopic now |
| 21:05.26 | devrethman | I should perhaps mention that I'm working on a wierd sun box that has 2 ethernets with the same MAC address so one of the is eth0 and one of them is eth1_rename_ren, which is kind of odd |
| 21:05.38 | devrethman | but I don't see why that would confuse dhcpcd though |
| 21:05.42 | thewanderer1 | foetus: excuse me? Windows interface?! eek! |
| 21:05.47 | devrethman | *dhcpd |
| 21:05.55 | DDRP | Surely dhcp is based on MAC? |
| 21:05.57 | barque | god configuring 'apt' inaptly takes forever |
| 21:06.31 | thewanderer1 | devrethman: this doesn't sound good, something is probably referring to a nonexistant device |
| 21:06.49 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: uh... they kind of have to have different MAC addresses |
| 21:06.58 | foetus | :)sometimes i'm working under windows as well |
| 21:07.28 | devrethman | Yeah, that's what I thought, but they definitely are both the same. |
| 21:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: Actually, the most common problem is lack of compatible security configuration, often caused by incompatible interfaces (to the configurations). |
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| 21:07.41 | monkey_d_luffy | thewanderer1: the laptop and the router are on the same table. Still don't know how to access the router logs. But /var/log/daemon.log shows some stuff |
| 21:07.56 | monkey_d_luffy | jhutchins_lt: not using any security now |
| 21:08.04 | devrethman | I don't see where a reference to a nonexistant device would come from, I just installed it earlier today. |
| 21:08.10 | dondelelcaro | devrethman: that may be that the kernel drivers or something else is going horribly wrong. Check dmesg to see if it actually looks reasonable. Does it have two physical interfaces? |
| 21:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: Some hardware allows you to set the mac address. |
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| 21:08.30 | barque | gee #png is empty, I have some questions about huffman decoding... anyone here familiar with huffman? |
| 21:08.37 | thewanderer1 | believes that all current ethernet cards should allow one to set the MAC address |
| 21:08.53 | newsense | macchanger can do it |
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| 21:09.17 | newsense | dpkg -l macchanger |
| 21:09.17 | dpkg | No packages found matching macchanger |
| 21:09.25 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: Sometimes that can be even harder to set up. |
| 21:09.26 | newsense | bs haha |
| 21:10.05 | devrethman | dondelelcaro: Yeah, it's two hardware interfaces with the same mac address, I don't hink that's the problem though cause a friend of mine has the same box, which has the same two-ports-one-mac thing and he got his working. |
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| 21:10.52 | joshsmith | How does one find the authorized_keys for a given user? |
| 21:10.52 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 21:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | joshsmith: What do you mean find? Where is the file stored? |
| 21:11.21 | joshsmith | jhutchins_lt: yes |
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| 21:12.10 | joshsmith | is it in /root/.ssh ? |
| 21:12.21 | newsense | cd yes: no such file or dir |
| 21:12.29 | newsense | or ~/.ssh |
| 21:13.02 | DDRP | It must be in there, or a definition in /etc/ssh/sshd_config... or in LDAP |
| 21:13.51 | brummbaer | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:14.04 | brummbaer | on the sherver |
| 21:14.30 | monkey_d_luffy | jhutchins_lt and thewanderer1 : looking into /var/log/daemon.log I see the following error message: "association request to the driver failed" |
| 21:16.14 | joshsmith | alright, I found where it *should* be stored, but there are no authorized_keys there |
| 21:16.30 | DDRP | won't work then |
| 21:16.33 | joshsmith | how can I add authorized_keys from another id_rsa.pub? |
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| 21:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | What various commands might be used to reset alsa when sound has failed to return from hibernation? |
| 21:16.55 | DARKGuy | Hey, I have a box here at work and I need to enter to see what does the box do, since it's an unknown HD I wanna investigate before deciding if I wipe it out or not. Thing is, I'm stuck at the login screen. Is there any way to remove the password? I have physical access to the box (just plugged the HD in :P) |
| 21:16.59 | DARKGuy | crap xD |
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| 21:17.04 | DARKGuy | oh, nvm :p |
| 21:17.07 | DDRP | cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorizedkeys |
| 21:17.09 | DARKGuy | it's debian anyways. |
| 21:17.18 | DDRP | er, with the _ |
| 21:17.38 | thewanderer1 | monkey_d_luffy: it means that it's a problem with the driver |
| 21:17.46 | jhutchins_lt | joshsmith: You may create the file and add keys to it. |
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| 21:18.07 | DDRP | DARK: heh, init=/bin/sh on boot? |
| 21:18.21 | joshsmith | I've never been able to get cat to work |
| 21:18.50 | jhutchins_lt | Cats don't work, they're born retired. |
| 21:19.20 | DDRP | DARK: Add init=/bin/sh the the kernel command line in GRUB on boot, and you're in... as long as there is no encryption etc |
| 21:19.23 | joshsmith | jhutchins_lt: So true. I tried getting mine to find a job. Just won't do it |
| 21:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | I know sound will come back if I reboot, but that seems rather drastic... |
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| 21:20.05 | lenswipe|newpc | hey guys |
| 21:20.23 | DDRP | Yeah cat must be the most tricky command in UNIX admins' arsenal ;( |
| 21:20.27 | lenswipe|newpc | i installed the newest version of python and it messed avant window navigator up - can someone tell me how to get rid of it? |
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| 21:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: aptitude remove <package>? |
| 21:21.13 | codingrobot | any tips on how to make the font rendering on debian squeeze actually 'usable'? i've turned the anti-aliasing on from the gnome config. but it isn't really better. xft/cairo patching maybe? |
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| 21:21.25 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins, i didnt install it from synaptic.... remember i said "the newest version of python" |
| 21:21.46 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, not the newest version of python as of 2001 |
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| 21:21.47 | lenswipe|newpc | :p |
| 21:22.01 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, it was a manual install |
| 21:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Then follow the manual instructions for removing it. |
| 21:23.22 | thewanderer1 | why does `vzctl start` execute the umount script? |
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| 21:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Did you un-install Debian's python before you did this? |
| 21:41.04 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, yes |
| 21:41.14 | lenswipe|newpc | and ive tried re-installing and AWN is still borked |
| 21:41.18 | lenswipe|newpc | some applets are just missing |
| 21:41.23 | lenswipe|newpc | they're replaced by grey lines |
| 21:42.43 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, let me show you |
| 21:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Uninstall the Debian package, track down anything left from the python source and un-do it, including mime types and libraries and such, re-install python from Debian. |
| 21:42.54 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: No, I don't do screenshots. |
| 21:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: The grayness of your lines tells me nothing useful. |
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| 21:43.33 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
| 21:43.47 | lenswipe|newpc | how do i remove everything pertaining to python using aptitude? |
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| 21:43.55 | sedulous | how do I make âaptitude searchâ use more than 80 column when its output is piped? |
| 21:44.15 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, sudo apt-get autoremove python ? |
| 21:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: What does sudo have to do with debian? |
| 21:44.34 | sedulous | nevermind, i found --disable-columns |
| 21:44.47 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, im not root |
| 21:44.48 | lenswipe|newpc | hence sudo |
| 21:45.16 | edju | Doesn't an edit of fstab take effect immediately? |
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| 21:46.02 | foetus | lost the balance on his chair..recollects itself and is thinking about shutting down the computer and go to bed now.. |
| 21:46.13 | foetus | :) |
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| 21:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | edju: You mean like the next time you manually or automatically mount the device? |
| 21:46.57 | remur_030 | heya, I have a big .patch file and I want to cherrypick it into single patches so I can just use the ones I really want, how would I do that? |
| 21:47.15 | edju | jhutchins_it, yes. |
| 21:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: You probably want to use aptitude, although it might not let you remove it due to dependencies. |
| 21:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | edju: Yes. It doesn't have any effect on mounted devices, only on the next mount. |
| 21:48.43 | devrethman | Can anyone help me configuring the isc dhcp3 server? When I start it it says "dhcpd: Bind Socket to interface: No such device" |
| 21:49.37 | edju | jhutchins, fstab has "noauto,user,rw,exec", but mount still requires root. |
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| 21:51.28 | foetus | lost his balance again.. maybe he becomes too old for that all.. |
| 21:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | edju: I don't have any notes on the correct format for that, I just mount devices as root. |
| 21:51.46 | DDRP | remur_030: You can't... sorry but there are few tools for working with changesets in that kind of granularity. If a changeset is supplied as one file, it is intended to be applied as one file. Otherwise you'll have to filter it by hand AFAIK |
| 21:51.50 | lenswipe|newpc | okay |
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| 21:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, Removing acpi ... |
| 21:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | Removing gnome-desktop-environment ... |
| 21:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | Removing alacarte ... |
| 21:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | Removing alsa-utils ... |
| 21:52.42 | lenswipe|newpc | Removing gnome-app-install ... |
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| 21:52.47 | chupacabra | is upgrading to sid |
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| 21:52.58 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, whats with all that? |
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| 21:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: That's what I meant by not letting you remove it. |
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| 21:54.03 | lenswipe|newpc | ...great |
| 21:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: See, that's the problem, python is integral to a lot of things these days. Using a version they're not set up for can, well, break things. |
| 21:54.23 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, so when its done hosing my system how do i put all that crap back? |
| 21:54.43 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: Some distributions make it a lot harder to install unpackaged software so that it's harder for new users to do this to themselves. |
| 21:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | tasksel desktop? |
| 21:55.00 | lenswipe|newpc | ??? |
| 21:55.04 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude install gnome? |
| 21:55.28 | foetus | no, not aptitude.. |
| 21:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: How did you remove python before? |
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| 21:55.53 | chupacabra | why use aptitude vs apt-get? |
| 21:56.02 | qq- | gnome-core ? |
| 21:56.04 | remur_030 | DDRP: the patch adds support for a march to 2.6.27 but I want to try porting it to 2.6.32, some changes already made it upstream, others just don't make any sense anymore |
| 21:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell chupacabra about why aptitude |
| 21:56.24 | chupacabra | tks |
| 21:56.29 | qq- | !tell chupacabra about why not aptitude |
| 21:56.40 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, sudo apt-get autoremove python |
| 21:57.10 | chupacabra | cool thanks |
| 21:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|newpc: why not do that again? |
| 21:58.29 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins, bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory |
| 21:58.30 | lenswipe|newpc | thats why |
| 21:58.47 | lenswipe|newpc | jhutchins_lt, bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory |
| 21:59.36 | devrethman | Can anyone help me configuring the isc dhcp3 server? When I start it it says "dhcpd: Bind Socket to interface: No such device" |
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| 22:00.29 | qq- | !sudo |
| 22:00.29 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 22:00.41 | qq- | lenswipe|newpc, ^^ |
| 22:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: So you've configured it for the wrong interface. If you wante to, say, tell us how you set it up, or perhaps pastebin your configuratoin, we might be able to say something intelligent about it. |
| 22:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: What guide did you follow? |
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| 22:02.30 | devrethman | man dhcpd.conf and what I remember from doing it on my old router which is broken. Is there a way to pastebin things from a computer without an X server that I can't SSH into currently? |
| 22:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: If you can't ssh into it how are you going to fix it? |
| 22:03.25 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 22:03.25 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 22:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: Oh, I see what you mean, ssh in from a graphical system that has access to firefox. |
| 22:03.53 | chupacabra | doesn't look like got a new kernel in dist-upgrade to sid. is that normal? Should I reboot anyway? |
| 22:04.04 | devrethman | I can SSH into it, but routing isn't set up yet, so I can only SSH into it from a box that's not on the internet. |
| 22:04.16 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: lynx, links, w3m(?) - there are console based browsers, and gpm gives you cut-and-paste. |
| 22:04.16 | jordanm | chupacabra: from what to sid? |
| 22:04.35 | chupacabra | squeeze |
| 22:04.38 | DDRP | ref: sudo On a lot of old FreeBSD systems we used to use, there was no sudo, but I never managed to gain root... I sometimes wonder whether sudo isn't a convenience tool more than a security tool =\ |
| 22:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | DDRP: It's a different approach. |
| 22:05.43 | jordanm | chupacabra: thats normal. /msg judd kernels |
| 22:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | DDRP: It provides security mostly by logging users' actions, but if you don't lock it down it requires that users honor that convention and not just "sudo bash". |
| 22:05.49 | chupacabra | hates sudo |
| 22:05.49 | DDRP | Yeah, I think that's the key, it's different... but I seem to get the impression a lot of people now accept by default that it's necessarily better |
| 22:05.55 | jordanm | chupacabra: also, packages.debian.org |
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| 22:06.16 | chupacabra | tks |
| 22:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | DDRP: We see it a lot here because it's the default on *buntu systems, which many people try before they try Debian. |
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| 22:06.30 | DDRP | sudo -i / sudo su - # The devil |
| 22:06.43 | chupacabra | lol |
| 22:06.49 | remur_030 | jhutchins_lt: on ubuntu systems i always do sudo su - |
| 22:06.55 | remur_030 | just because I find it annoying |
| 22:07.02 | chupacabra | sudo and selinux... WHY? |
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| 22:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | remur_030: I tend to do sudo bash - then fix the problem by setting the root password. |
| 22:07.16 | DDRP | omfg, don't get me started on SELinux =| |
| 22:07.25 | chupacabra | lolol |
| 22:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | remur_030: I tried to play along for a while but it just got too annoying. |
| 22:07.52 | chupacabra | Damn. Iv'e found friends in #debian. Praise Bob |
| 22:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | If you've ever worked in a managed-security windows environment you'd understand. |
| 22:07.56 | DDRP | What really annoys me is sudo echo blah | sudo tee file |
| 22:08.11 | DDRP | in other words, I can't do sudo blah > file |
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| 22:08.23 | jhutchins_lt | devrethman: You getting anywhere? |
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| 22:08.34 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: How about you? |
| 22:08.37 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, ok so i logged in and out |
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| 22:08.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, GDM has gone AWOL |
| 22:08.47 | chupacabra | I think Fedora is close to making sudo default now. |
| 22:08.50 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, how do i fix things |
| 22:08.55 | lenswipe | and get GDM back |
| 22:08.59 | hell_razer | no /etc/init.d/iptables ind ebian, i write a sctipt for restoring rules of network up, but how to change them. hpw to flush reules |
| 22:09.02 | devrethman | jhutchins_lt pastebin.com/DeH7gc7H |
| 22:09.03 | remur_030 | chupacabra: source? |
| 22:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I have no idea how deep a hole you've dug yourself. Did you re-install python? |
| 22:09.17 | DDRP | I don't know anything about Fedora but we used to run a lot of CentOS boxens, and yes, they promote sudo and SELinux |
| 22:09.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Did you let aptitude remove all that stuff? |
| 22:09.27 | chupacabra | just my observations over the last few months |
| 22:09.42 | chupacabra | remur_030, ^^ |
| 22:09.44 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt yes i did, but i need to know how to completely remove and re-install gnome |
| 22:09.55 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt like a stock gnome install |
| 22:09.58 | lenswipe | complete GNOME wipe |
| 22:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Why not do a clean install? |
| 22:10.10 | lenswipe | of debian? |
| 22:10.17 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah. |
| 22:10.23 | lenswipe | beacuse i have to screw around backporting the kernel for my graphics card again |
| 22:10.30 | remur_030 | I don't think so, ubuntu does it for ages as a 'fresh approach' to system security, no one picked it up yet... |
| 22:10.34 | lenswipe | and its a netinstall to begin with and i have shit internet here so it takes ages |
| 22:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Yeah, well, you know THAT worked. |
| 22:10.53 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, so what do you suggest? |
| 22:10.57 | lenswipe | actually you know what? |
| 22:10.59 | lenswipe | screw it |
| 22:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: At this point that's probably easier than trying to piecemeal restore the system. |
| 22:11.07 | lenswipe | ima wipe lenny and install squeeze |
| 22:11.11 | qq- | !remove gnome |
| 22:11.11 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 22:11.12 | jhutchins_lt | NO! |
| 22:11.14 | chupacabra | dist-upgrade finished and I'm still running good sign. |
| 22:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Please don't do that! |
| 22:11.18 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, yes |
| 22:11.25 | qq- | lenswipe, ^^ |
| 22:11.30 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: If you're having this much trouble with lenny, squeeze is only going to be worse. |
| 22:11.31 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, lenny has been a complete peice of crap to my system |
| 22:11.40 | DDRP | I presume (incorrectly for the most part) that any system is disposable these days. I configure my systems with a site-wide package repository and Puppet |
| 22:11.45 | lenswipe | either squeeze, ubuntu or windows |
| 22:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Squeeze is NOT a working released distribution, it is a TESTING system known to have serious problems. |
| 22:11.57 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 22:12.00 | lenswipe | right |
| 22:12.00 | twiggz | works great here. |
| 22:12.03 | lenswipe | net install it is |
| 22:12.04 | twiggz | no problems at all. |
| 22:12.06 | lenswipe | curses |
| 22:12.15 | twiggz | squeeze! |
| 22:12.19 | twiggz | go for it! |
| 22:12.34 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, guess what - i cant even open my CD driven ow |
| 22:12.36 | lenswipe | well done debian |
| 22:12.38 | twiggz | unstable is far more problematic than squeeze. |
| 22:12.39 | lenswipe | *appluads* |
| 22:12.42 | chupacabra | Squeeze worked well here. that made me want a more bleeding edge. |
| 22:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | twiggz: Please don't recommend that to people who may not have the skill or knowledge to cope with the KNOWN problems in squeeze. |
| 22:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Well done lenswipe. |
| 22:13.14 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, um no. well done debian |
| 22:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Remember, it was you who went outside the system. |
| 22:13.24 | twiggz | my 15 year old runs squeeze..so does my wife...and they dont really know crap about linux. |
| 22:13.30 | twiggz | I assume this fellow knows a little bit. |
| 22:13.36 | lenswipe | jhutchins, i had to go outside the system cos it broke its self to begin with |
| 22:13.40 | devrethman | How do you tell dhcpd3-server what interface to listen on? as far as I can tell it's configured correctly, but it says "dhcpd: Bind socket to interface: no such device" to the syslog when I try to start it. pastebin.com/DeH7gc7H |
| 22:13.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.41 | lenswipe | well done lenny |
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| 22:14.11 | themill | twiggz: go away. |
| 22:14.29 | DDRP | Yeah I think the problem is nobody cares if your 15 year old's system crashes... no offence... where as people often deploy Linux for business-critical applications |
| 22:14.38 | DDRP | So the advice must be crafted carefully |
| 22:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | There are some new video cards that pretty much require that you run squeeze, and in those cases we don't mind helping new users limp through the process. |
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| 22:15.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins_li, i just ran sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 22:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | However, having to hand-hold people who would be just fine running lenny is not something we enjoy. |
| 22:15.44 | lenswipe | lets see what happens now |
| 22:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: This would have been a situation where aptitude would probably have been better. |
| 22:16.08 | chupacabra | I think I'm gonna reboot just to make sure all of sid is working. nniab. |
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| 22:16.14 | lenswipe | jhutchins hmm |
| 22:16.17 | chupacabra | bbiab even |
| 22:16.53 | foetus | its like a debian-dovecot ;) |
| 22:16.55 | DDRP | I have to admit that my desktop at work is dual monitor nvidia crap... and I've been running off one monitor for a couple of weeks as I can't be assed to go through the nvidia rigmarrol |
| 22:16.56 | lenswipe | jhutchins_li, done |
| 22:17.04 | lenswipe | i stopped the apt-get and restarted with aptitude |
| 22:17.13 | DDRP | I'm far more at home editing a debian/control file than messing with graphics cards |
| 22:17.39 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, or not.....it just stopped its self saying something else was using the lock or something |
| 22:17.47 | lenswipe | another round of appluase for lenny please |
| 22:18.12 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: This is not lenny's fault. There are thousands and thousands of lenny installations that are just fine. |
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| 22:18.40 | jhutchins_lt | I manage 5 1/2 of them (the 1/2 being an lstp instance). |
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| 22:19.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You went outside of the sytem and broke it. You didn't package your new software, you didn't consider that a change that big is significant to the system. |
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| 22:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I think you should possibly put this down and step away from it a bit, then come back and work through it using a consistent plan and the tools available in Debian. |
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| 22:21.47 | MrFrood | didn't somebody have this conversation with lenswipe last night? |
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| 22:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: Quite possibly. |
| 22:22.01 | qq- | lenswipe, when you stop apt-get /aptitude you have to know what you do .. go remove 'lock' files now , if you know where trey are ... |
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| 22:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | MrFrood: He's installed the latest greatest python from a tarball, then stumbled around trying various 'fixes'. |
| 22:23.07 | jhutchins_lt | Not sure why he did that. Proabably should have installed it in userspace so it didn't affect the core system. |
| 22:23.16 | MrFrood | I know |
| 22:23.18 | qq- | !sns |
| 22:23.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:23.38 | qq- | lenswipe, ^^ |
| 22:23.45 | remur_030 | dpkg: moving target |
| 22:23.45 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 22:23.48 | MrFrood | but SNS is so good |
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| 22:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | Just because something is the newest and bestest doesn't mean it's going to work correctly with your system - like a turbocharged CFI Porsche engine in an old John Deere. |
| 22:24.21 | MrFrood | thats why I've just ordered a nice Geforce 4 4800se off ebay :D |
| 22:24.23 | remur_030 | yeah ,redmine on squeeze, gah |
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| 22:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | (actually, that's not a very good example) |
| 22:25.10 | chupacabra | darn gtk-gnash is still running away in sid. |
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| 22:32.12 | devrethman | How do you tell dhcpd3-server what interface to listen on? as far as I can tell it's configured correctly, but it says "dhcpd: Bind socket to interface: no such device" to the syslog when I try to start it. pastebin.com/DeH7gc7H is the config and my ifconfig |
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| 22:33.31 | tomodachi | devrethman: hmm cant remeber, but there is a specific file for dhcpd to configure listen interface on |
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| 22:34.42 | tomodachi | devrethman: /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 22:34.44 | tomodachi | i believe |
| 22:35.14 | devrethman | tomodachi: I set it to eth1_rename_ren and it didn't help. |
| 22:35.30 | qq- | !70 |
| 22:35.31 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 22:35.42 | devrethman | which is what it should be, but it still thinks there is no interface |
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| 22:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Look, I don't mean to accuse you or put you down or anything. I know where you are with your system because I've been there myself, and I've helped others who had the same learning experience. |
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| 22:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | Linux can't be what it is whitout it being possible for you to totally screw it up like this. It happens. |
| 22:38.07 | jhutchins_lt | I took to installing Mandrake packages on my RedHat box because they were newer and better - and eventually had to do a clean reinstall. |
| 22:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | (Mandrake was originally a fork of RedHat optimized for Pentium systems and otherwise using the same package format - kinda like *buntu & Debian.) |
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| 22:59.20 | Devrethman | Can anyone help me setting up dhcpd? My configuration is http://pastebin.com/DeH7gc7H and when I start it it says "dhcpd: bind socket to interface: no such device" to syslog and fails to start |
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| 22:59.52 | abrotman | whoa |
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| 23:00.42 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: what do you have in /etc/default/dhcp3, and what does ifconfig -a; output? |
| 23:00.44 | abrotman | jebus |
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| 23:00.50 | pickcoder | don't punch ChanServ.. it might not like it |
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| 23:00.53 | atoi | So what is the best way to get Python 2.6 installed on Debian Lenny? |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | actually tries to do this right next time |
| 23:01.20 | drasko | HI all. Does anybody know how can I download enairely this site http://www.harp-project.com/ ? Why wget -rp is not working correctly ? |
| 23:01.49 | abrotman | drasko: there is a mirror/spider option |
| 23:02.30 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: default/dhcp3-server says INTERFACES="eth1_rename_ren" and ifconfig -a shows the same thing as ifconfig |
| 23:02.42 | Devrethman | I've tried it with INTERFACES="" as per default, and nothing changes. |
| 23:02.43 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: yes, but I need to see the output of it |
| 23:02.51 | Devrethman | it's on the bottom of the pastebin |
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| 23:03.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | I would like to create a CD/DVD repository disk to go along with my DVD repo disc set for use with an offline machine. What would the command look like to do a debmirror of it? debmirror --nosource -m --passive --host=http://backports.debian.org/ --root=debian-backports/ --method=http --progress --dist=lenny-backports/ --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i386 ~/DebianBackports --ignore-release-gpg ? |
| 23:03.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is this not correct? It doesnt work. |
| 23:06.14 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: run /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -d eth1_rename_ren; |
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| 23:07.08 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: same error as usual |
| 23:07.21 | drasko | abrotman, adding --mirror option like this wget -pr --mirror http://www.harp-project.com does not change a thing. Only index.html is downloaded... |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | does the HTML file not have valid links ? |
| 23:08.30 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: what's the full output? |
| 23:08.33 | drasko | it does not |
| 23:08.44 | drasko | abrotman, it doess not show any links |
| 23:09.07 | drasko | has a <frame src="http://home.comcast.net/~thutt151" frameborder="0" /> though |
| 23:09.24 | drasko | bu trying wgetting from this addr gives the same result... |
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| 23:10.48 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: a copyright notice, "Wrote 0 leases to leases file." then the error about no such device then it quits |
| 23:11.05 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: ok; run it under strace to see what precisely it's trying to bind to |
| 23:11.13 | Devrethman | strace? |
| 23:11.34 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: strace /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -d eth1_rename_ren; |
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| 23:14.58 | e-dub | thnx newsense that worked! |
| 23:15.09 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: the output wont redirect into a file for me to pastebin, what should I be looking for? |
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| 23:15.30 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: strace /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -d eth1_rename_ren > foofile 2>&1 |
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| 23:17.50 | drasko | apt-get install does not work : File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/runpy.py", line 122, in _run_module_as_main. Anybody faced this issue on Squeeze ? |
| 23:18.29 | dondelelcaro | drasko: you'll have to give us the complete output, and we also don't ship stuff in /usr/local |
| 23:18.46 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: pastebin.com/w3rNs1K1 |
| 23:19.55 | drasko | Well, drasko@Marx:~$ which python |
| 23:19.55 | drasko | /usr/local/bin/python |
| 23:20.33 | dondelelcaro | you install a local version of python, you're likely to have issues |
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| 23:21.16 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/NicN53tV |
| 23:21.35 | drasko | dondelelcaro, how to replace it ? |
| 23:22.07 | dondelelcaro | drasko: get rid of your local python install, and everything should start working again. |
| 23:22.23 | dondelelcaro | drasko: or otherwise move it out of the way (or change PATH, or similar) |
| 23:23.17 | qq- | LinuxGuy2009, debmirror --nosource -m --passive -h backports.debian.org/ --root=debian-backports/ --method=http --progress --dist=lenny-backports/ --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i386 --ignore-release-gpg ~/DebianBackports |
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| 23:24.28 | qq- | LinuxGuy2009, works here, i modified a bit your command line |
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| 23:26.05 | anonymous_348 | Could someone copy and paste their sources.lst to a pastebin? I messed mine up... lol |
| 23:26.23 | streuner_ | anonymous_348: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:26.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | qq-: That worked. Thank You. Ill have to compare to see where I messed up. |
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| 23:27.17 | qq- | your ' ~/DebianBackports' must be at final , and host was wrong |
| 23:27.19 | lenswipe|debian | jhutchins_lt, still re-installing :/ |
| 23:27.32 | streuner_ | anonymous_348: besides, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 23:27.40 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: hrm; looks like some kind of libc6 bug, but anyway, if you follow the instructions here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/eyprp?a=view this will probably work |
| 23:27.44 | qq- | LinuxGuy2009, np |
| 23:27.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | qq-: I see. Thanks |
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| 23:27.57 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: otherwise, you may need a newer kernel and/or a newer libc6 |
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| 23:29.01 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: you are running a Debian kernel, right? |
| 23:29.07 | Devrethman | yeah |
| 23:29.25 | Devrethman | 2.6.26-2-sparc64 |
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| 23:29.59 | Devrethman | I did a fresh install of lenny today, so it shouldn't be out of date |
| 23:30.01 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: the problem is that bind(7, {sa_family=AF_PACKET, proto=0x6574, if1748066162, pkttype=0x61 /* ? */, addr(109)={25966, 655f7265000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000}, 16) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) |
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| 23:30.15 | Devrethman | I thought that looked a little strange. |
| 23:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: speciifcally; the interface number and the address for the interface makes no sense |
| 23:31.03 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: I'm assuming that there's some underlying code that assumes that MAC addresses for interfaces are unique, and isn't behaving properly if they aren't |
| 23:31.53 | dondelelcaro | (since you almost always want them to be unique; it's only in some situtations where you don't want the physical layer to be able to distinguish which interface it's talking to) |
| 23:32.34 | jhutchins_lt | http://i.imgur.com/CJkR9.png |
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| 23:32.57 | drasko | dondelelcaro, removing local python solved the problem, thanks |
| 23:32.58 | Devrethman | dondelelcaro: I figured that may be the problem, but I wasn't going to try to troubleshoot it unless I needed to. I'll try to get them separate. |
| 23:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: Great learning experience. |
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| 23:33.31 | dondelelcaro | DanDare: np |
| 23:33.40 | dondelelcaro | s/DanDare/drasko/ |
| 23:33.45 | dondelelcaro | Devrethman: cool; good luck with that |
| 23:34.44 | rubin110 | If I setup my Debian box to run a serial console, do I use a null modem cable or just a 9 pin female to female? |
| 23:34.48 | DanDare | yawns |
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| 23:35.05 | dondelelcaro | rubin110: depends what you're plugging it into |
| 23:35.14 | streuner_ | DanDare: go to sleep, if you are tired :-P |
| 23:35.27 | DanDare | streuner_, just got a fever :/ |
| 23:35.32 | lenswipe|debian | jhutchins_lt, i might value the experience more if it wasnt my main desktop PC |
| 23:35.37 | rubin110 | dondelelcaro: Just a serial port on a stanard intel motherboard. |
| 23:35.39 | rubin110 | Desktop machine. |
| 23:35.57 | streuner_ | DanDare: you just need a doctor then... |
| 23:36.07 | dondelelcaro | rubin110: then you need a null modem cable |
| 23:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: Lenny again? |
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| 23:36.31 | lenswipe|debian | sadly yes |
| 23:36.32 | rubin110 | dondelelcaro: When would I not use a null modem cable for a serial console? |
| 23:36.35 | dondelelcaro | rubin110: assuming you're plugging both ends directly into serial ports on machines |
| 23:36.40 | streuner_ | DanDare: 38 C. is almost normal, 39 C. is just bedtime, and 40 C. is, you have to go into hospital |
| 23:36.42 | dondelelcaro | rubin110: when you're plugging it into a modem or similar |
| 23:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: That's really best if it's your main desktop. |
| 23:37.00 | streuner_ | DanDare: well, with 39 C. you need a doctor too, IMO |
| 23:37.26 | DanDare | strreuner, not really, just a normal flu...yeah I know !! at 40C some are in real danger |
| 23:37.51 | streuner_ | DanDare: How do you know, are you a doctor? |
| 23:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Standard RS232 is Computer-to-device. |
| 23:38.03 | rubin110 | Ok, thanks. |
| 23:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Computer-to-computer or device-to-device requires a nullmodem cable. |
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| 23:38.26 | lenswipe|debian | jhutchins_lt, to be honest after this farse, im starting to re-concider linux as my main desktop OS to begin with |
| 23:38.26 | DanDare | streuner_, im getting better so thats what matter... |
| 23:38.35 | lenswipe|debian | hugs DanDare better# |
| 23:38.41 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: It used to be a lot clearer what was a computer and what was a peripheral. |
| 23:38.47 | DanDare | vitamin C... lot of water and waiting |
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| 23:39.00 | DanDare | thank you :) |
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| 23:39.17 | atoi | What package might I install to make sure the Python source files (like Python.h) are available on the system? |
| 23:39.27 | qq- | -dev |
| 23:39.38 | atoi | cool, thanks. |
| 23:39.39 | streuner_ | dpkg, search python.h |
| 23:39.39 | dpkg | streuner_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:40.03 | atoi | Though... |
| 23:40.03 | streuner_ | atoi: in general, just /msg dpkg search |
| 23:40.18 | atoi | I suppose before I install the Python source files for 2.5... I should just compile 2.6 |
| 23:40.30 | qq- | atoi, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:40.32 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe|debian: Well, you might be happier with something more pre-configured and locked down, but you really can make this work. I haven't run a Windows desktop since ~2004. |
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| 23:40.40 | bzed | atoi: uhm why? |
| 23:40.49 | rubin110 | Hah. |
| 23:40.50 | rubin110 | Wow. |
| 23:40.50 | bzed | atoi: python knows pretty well where the source files are. |
| 23:40.52 | atoi | bzed, because I'd prefer to compile things against 2.6 rather than 2.5? |
| 23:41.05 | atoi | so what's the point of having the 2.5 source files? :P |
| 23:41.06 | rubin110 | I just realized this motherboard doesn't have a standard 9pin serial port on it. |
| 23:41.06 | bzed | atoi: you should use distutils to do so or autotools to handle it properly. |
| 23:41.08 | atoi | I guess it can't hurt. |
| 23:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Not even a header? |
| 23:41.33 | bzed | atoi: isntalling python2.5-dev and python2.6-dev at the same tiem is a very common thing - what do you think how the debian packages are being built? :) |
| 23:41.44 | lenswipe|debian | afk |
| 23:41.53 | atoi | bzed, there's no python2.6-dev at all for Lenny, is there? |
| 23:42.10 | streuner_ | judd, versions python2.6-dev |
| 23:42.12 | judd | python2.6-dev -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3; sid: 2.6.6-4 |
| 23:42.29 | atoi | bzed, if there was, BAM, I'd have it installed. |
| 23:42.34 | qq- | rubin110, on some new mobo , ethx cable may act as nulmodem |
| 23:42.34 | atoi | but I thought Lenny only supported 2.5 |
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| 23:43.15 | qq- | well rj45 |
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| 23:43.49 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: You mean an RJ45 may be an RS232 port. Not usual on a PC. |
| 23:43.59 | megatog615 | hello, i am trying to compile a 32-bit program on x86_64 |
| 23:44.13 | megatog615 | for example, wine |
| 23:44.51 | streuner_ | How to get rid of all windows crap? |
| 23:44.53 | megatog615 | configure is complaining that gcc -m32 cannot compile 32-bit programs, when i have gcc-multilib |
| 23:45.00 | qq- | jhutchins_lt, never tried, but i heard off |
| 23:45.18 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: Some devices like switches and routers use that. |
| 23:45.24 | megatog615 | then i looked in the config.log |
| 23:45.28 | megatog615 | this is the error: |
| 23:45.30 | megatog615 | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.1/libgcc_s.so when searching for -lgcc_s |
| 23:45.33 | megatog615 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 23:45.36 | megatog615 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: If it's a serial console, there may already be cabling that can use that to get back to the control PC. |
| 23:46.04 | megatog615 | im using a mix of squeeze and sid |
| 23:46.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, bobbit |
| 23:46.23 | dpkg | streuner_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:46.24 | epsilon | mix = bad |
| 23:46.39 | abrotman | streuner_: bobbitt ? |
| 23:46.49 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 23:46.51 | streuner_ | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 23:46.51 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:46.54 | megatog615 | epsilon: im mostly sticking with squeeze |
| 23:47.06 | megatog615 | i only have a few sid packages installed |
| 23:47.09 | megatog615 | namely gcc-4.5 |
| 23:47.25 | megatog615 | however i have the same problem with gcc-4.4 |
| 23:47.33 | streuner_ | abrotman: yeah, didnt use it much lately... |
| 23:48.04 | megatog615 | i have no idea why gcc(-4.5) -m32 is making it look for x86_64 libs |
| 23:48.13 | streuner_ | megatog615: How should that work? |
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| 23:48.17 | megatog615 | the issue just sprung up |
| 23:48.34 | megatog615 | streuner_: i would think that -m32 would make it look for 32bit libs... |
| 23:48.41 | streuner_ | you have a "bobbitt" system and want compile stuff which usually doenst work good in Linux... |
| 23:49.02 | megatog615 | dont know what 'incompatible' means though in that error message |
| 23:49.16 | qq- | megatog615, ask wine about your compile |
| 23:49.17 | megatog615 | i tried to compile a random simple hello world program too and got the same error |
| 23:49.22 | megatog615 | qq-: it's not wine |
| 23:49.34 | megatog615 | its any program i compile with -m32 |
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| 23:50.51 | qq- | 01:44<megatog615> for example, wine , < anyways wrong channel |
| 23:51.03 | megatog615 | qq-: its not a wine problem |
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| 23:51.19 | megatog615 | i am using debian's gcc to compile a random 32bit program |
| 23:51.22 | qq- | megatog615, #d is not for compile |
| 23:51.25 | megatog615 | every single one fails |
| 23:51.39 | megatog615 | but the issue is not exactly compiling |
| 23:51.55 | megatog615 | it is the fact that my perfectly good debian install is now not working for some reason |
| 23:52.19 | megatog615 | i figured that gcc or some other package had a bug but none that i checked on bugs.debian.org had such a bug |
| 23:53.08 | megatog615 | if i knew what package was responsible for making gcc look in the wrong place for libs then i could fix the problem probbly |
| 23:53.12 | megatog615 | *probably |
| 23:54.12 | Musho | quick question: what are the -n numbers at the .iso downloads? |
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| 23:57.10 | smacnay | is there a command that can run another at 5 minute intervals? |
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| 23:58.28 | abrotman | smacnay: cron ? |
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