| 00:00.32 | Armageddon | thank you MrFrood :) |
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| 00:03.43 | RichiH | a group of eight is called octet. what is a group of sixteen called? |
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| 00:04.55 | qq- | two octets ? |
| 00:04.59 | MrFrood | for some reason X has just started eating cpu time. htop is showing it at +60%... weird |
| 00:05.06 | gnarface | hextet? |
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| 00:11.21 | qq- | RichiH, http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_BinaryInformationandRepresentationBitsBytesNibbles-2.htm |
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| 00:14.23 | RichiH | qq-: gah, too easy for me |
| 00:14.30 | RichiH | sorry for even asking that... |
| 00:14.43 | RichiH | thinks it's time to go to bed |
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| 00:25.43 | cockroach | hey, i'm trying to get my laptop to suspend to ram (latest squeeze, xfce) but i keep getting a message "No suspend method found" (it works just fine with the manual way through /sys/power/state though). any idea? |
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| 00:32.21 | jordanm | cockroach: trying to use xfce4-power-manager? |
| 00:32.30 | cockroach | jordanm: yep |
| 00:32.38 | jordanm | cockroach: what version of debian? |
| 00:32.46 | cockroach | jordanm: latest testing |
| 00:33.18 | jordanm | cockroach: how are you trying to suspend, log out -> suspend? |
| 00:33.26 | cockroach | jordanm: exactly |
| 00:34.32 | cockroach | jordanm: i get "** (x-session-manager:1307): WARNING **: xfsm-shutdown-helper.c:234: Failed to contact HAL: No suspend method found" in my .xsession-errors whenever i try |
| 00:35.10 | jordanm | cockroach: hehe, was about to ask about hal |
| 00:35.14 | jordanm | cockroach: is it running? |
| 00:35.42 | cockroach | jordanm: seems to, yes. there's hald, hald-runner and a couple more |
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| 00:37.24 | jordanm | cockroach: sounding like a bug. |
| 00:37.40 | jordanm | ,depends xfce4-power-manager --release squeeze |
| 00:37.40 | judd | xfce4-power-manager -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libnotify1 (>= 0.4.5), libnotify1-gtk2.10, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6, libxext6, libxfce4util4 (>= 4.6.0), libxfcegui4-4 (>= 4.6.0), libxfconf-0-2, hal, xfce4-power-manager-data (= 0.8.5-1). |
| 00:37.57 | jordanm | ,recommends xfce4-power-manager --release squeeze |
| 00:37.57 | judd | xfce4-power-manager -- recommends: None. |
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| 00:40.39 | jordanm | cockroach: are you using policykit? |
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| 00:40.53 | jordanm | that is something I am not familar with... |
| 00:41.15 | cockroach | jordanm: 'using' is probably the wrong word - it's installed but i have no clue what it does :) |
| 00:42.13 | jordanm | ,info policykit |
| 00:42.14 | judd | policykit (admin, optional): framework for managing administrative policies and privileges. Version: 0.9-2; Size: 127.2k; Installed: 420k; Homepage: http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/PolicyKit/ |
| 00:42.42 | jordanm | cockroach: its hal related and imposes its own privs, possible cause of the issue |
| 00:42.52 | jordanm | cockroach: is dbus running? |
| 00:43.20 | cockroach | jordanm: yep, dbus is running |
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| 00:43.40 | jordanm | cockroach: I would file a bug against xfce4-session |
| 00:43.59 | nsadmin | should xfce-pwr-mgr depend on the hal daemon package? |
| 00:44.10 | cockroach | jordanm: okay, will do |
| 00:44.22 | jordanm | nsadmin: believe so, and it does |
| 00:45.15 | nsadmin | oh, depends on hal |
| 00:45.20 | jordanm | cockroach: the xfce maintainers are nice to deal with. I am on that mailing list and it see what they say. |
| 00:46.11 | cockroach | jordanm: i know, i'm sort-of part of the debian-xfce team (not particularly active lately) :) |
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| 01:16.10 | see | hello, i have a new ready nas duo, it has a sparc chip and debian sarge (yes i know it is old, but it is not distupgradeable) i try to install tetex on it thru apt, but i get tis error: No alternatives for xdvi.bin. apparently in older version of linux xdvi.bin was a link to the real xdvi binary....any clues how i can hack around this, i have tried dpkg -i --force-all to install packae but still get alternatives error message |
| 01:17.59 | smhar | I have been suffering a strange problem with my HUAWEI 3g internet usb device. I use it with 2 computers, both running updated squeeze. the desktop has no problem of being connected for days. the notebook can not stay connected for more than a couple of hours and many times less than 2 minutes. it JUST disconnects. This the error output: http://paste.debian.net/88465/ . and this is the messages log: (only the last part due to pastebin size limitations) : ht |
| 01:18.00 | smhar | tp://paste.debian.net/88473/ , and this is a kernel failure I sometimes get (it might be helpful): http://paste.debian.net/88466/ |
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| 01:22.17 | cockroach | jordanm: lol, stupid me - had to install acpi-support :) |
| 01:22.50 | smhar | I tried stopping /etc/init.d/acpid, apmd, acpi-support & acpi-fakekey , and still it disconnects |
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| 01:23.50 | streuner | smhar: usually pppd ist just fine about HUAWEI |
| 01:24.00 | streuner | why do you need a special driver at all? |
| 01:25.33 | streuner | smhar: i have similar issues |
| 01:26.12 | streuner | smhar: it just helps when i disconnect the device out of the laptop, but "Tainted" just sounds strange |
| 01:26.54 | streuner | smhar: stopping acpid apmd acpi-support doesnt help, IMO |
| 01:27.38 | streuner | the HUAWEI support in Linux is just crap, IMO |
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| 01:27.56 | streuner | sometimes it runs stable, but sometimes very crappy |
| 01:29.18 | I_Died_Once | CUT MY STEAK INTO PIECES! THIS IS MY PLASTIC FORK!!! |
| 01:29.27 | I_Died_Once | oops, wrong room |
| 01:29.36 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:30.45 | TheMechanic | HUAWEI sucks when it comes to power management |
| 01:31.11 | smhar | streuner, sorry I got disconnected again and could not login here because my nick name was still in use |
| 01:31.35 | smhar | streuner, you were asking about driver for ppp? I do not know about that |
| 01:31.49 | streuner | smhar: iam wondering why you got "Tainted" at all |
| 01:32.01 | TheMechanic | drivers for ppp?just make sure ppp support is enabled in your kernel |
| 01:32.01 | smhar | streuner, ?? |
| 01:32.14 | TheMechanic | you trying to be client or server? |
| 01:32.18 | streuner | well, that sounds to me so too |
| 01:32.38 | streuner | a homemade kernel.. |
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| 01:32.57 | smhar | what client and server? I am just using it locally in my notebook to connect to the internet |
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| 01:33.16 | streuner | smhar: so you build your own kernel? |
| 01:33.27 | xdunlapx | Hi guys. I installed the latest Squeeze updates and when I rebooted due to system problems my toolbars are missing and I have no idea how to turn them on. |
| 01:33.48 | FluxD | Hi, where is ssh server logs stored? |
| 01:34.12 | rudi_s | FluxD: /var/log/auth.log |
| 01:34.22 | smhar | streuner, no, it is a stock debian: uname -a : Linux aristotle 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 25 14:28:12 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:34.27 | FluxD | rudi_s, not sshd.log ? |
| 01:34.33 | TheMechanic | depending on what you have in your syslog(nsyslog) conf |
| 01:34.55 | rudi_s | FluxD: Default is auth.log |
| 01:35.04 | rudi_s | (At least on Debian.) |
| 01:35.27 | streuner | smhar: iam using wvdial |
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| 01:36.13 | streuner | smhar: and i hadnt any issues whatever stock kernel i have used |
| 01:36.36 | mjmt | xdunlapx: (Assuming you mean GNOME Panel) Hit Alt+F2 and type: gnome-panel |
| 01:36.42 | xdunlapx | oh sorry, yes |
| 01:37.07 | xdunlapx | mjmt "cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running" |
| 01:37.16 | mjmt | Oh wait, gnome-panel's what handles Alt-F2. :) |
| 01:37.35 | mjmt | xdunlapx: Kill that first? |
| 01:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | You are not allowed to change settings in Gnome. Gnome knows what's best for you. |
| 01:38.08 | mjmt | Heh. |
| 01:38.10 | TheMechanic | for ppp support |
| 01:38.16 | TheMechanic | it is most likely configured as a module |
| 01:38.46 | TheMechanic | check for a config file in your /usr/src/<kernel> or in /boot to see what your kernel configuration is |
| 01:38.50 | TheMechanic | or you can do this |
| 01:38.53 | TheMechanic | modprobe ppp |
| 01:39.03 | TheMechanic | sudo modprobe ppp |
| 01:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | TheMechanic: Don't thik that's gonna work. |
| 01:39.31 | streuner | whatever he use, ppp should loaded auto |
| 01:39.52 | streuner | but that "Tainted" thingie give me headaches |
| 01:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | http://wiki.debian.org/PPP |
| 01:40.11 | streuner | he already said, he using a stock kernel |
| 01:40.20 | sedstapler | how can I send Magic SysRQs through VNC? (KVM with VNC viewer) |
| 01:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | About 512,000 results for debian ppp. |
| 01:40.52 | streuner | hah |
| 01:41.03 | TheMechanic | http://wiki.debian.org/Wvdial |
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| 01:41.41 | streuner | its a PITA using HUAWEI and PPP |
| 01:41.44 | streuner | in Linux |
| 01:41.57 | streuner | sometimes you got real issues |
| 01:42.21 | TheMechanic | the biggest issue with them is your battery get depeleted real fast |
| 01:42.30 | streuner | tzz |
| 01:42.52 | streuner | well, that wasnt a issue for me at all |
| 01:43.18 | TheMechanic | maybe it depends on the model then |
| 01:43.20 | streuner | its more it wasnt/is real stable |
| 01:43.24 | streuner | yeah |
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| 01:44.01 | TheMechanic | which ISP is he using? |
| 01:44.15 | jon8 | how do i get 'bc' using apt-get .. get an error when trying to install a mysql tuner shell script saying 'bc' is not a known command |
| 01:44.16 | streuner | no idea, iam using e-plus |
| 01:44.35 | streuner | TheMechanic: but for sure, thats an issue too, true |
| 01:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | Good grief, I've used ppp in linux for years, stable as rocks. |
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| 01:45.01 | fbh | jon8: apt-get install bc |
| 01:45.02 | TheMechanic | jhutchins_lt: streuner is complaining about huwai radio modems |
| 01:45.15 | jhutchins_lt | TheMechanic: Ah. |
| 01:45.23 | jon8 | fbh |
| 01:45.25 | jon8 | tried that sir |
| 01:45.30 | smhar | streuner, this HUAWEI is the best internet option we have here |
| 01:45.34 | TheMechanic | jon8: one sec |
| 01:45.35 | jon8 | E: Couldn't find package bc |
| 01:45.46 | streuner | smhar: sure |
| 01:46.11 | streuner | smhar: as we said before, its an ISP issue sometimes |
| 01:46.12 | fbh | jon8: try apt-get update first and then apt-get install bc |
| 01:46.19 | smhar | TheMechanic, a local, actually a regional ISP, VIVA |
| 01:46.27 | TheMechanic | viva, where is that? |
| 01:47.45 | smhar | streuner, I do not think it is an ISP issue, because I am using the same device with my other 'Desktop' computer, also running squeeze, and it works fine |
| 01:47.57 | sedstapler | streuner: I also have a Huawei USB modem and an E-Plus SIM card. I haven't tried it yet but the modem worked fine with my old O2 SIM card |
| 01:48.04 | sedstapler | I'll test it in a minute |
| 01:48.11 | TheMechanic | esta en mexico? |
| 01:48.12 | FluxD | Is there any other way to access the shell other than through ssh ? |
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| 01:48.28 | streuner | telnet? :-P |
| 01:48.39 | rudi_s | FluxD: Not really (telnet isn't secure). |
| 01:48.55 | smhar | TheMechanic, viva.com.bh |
| 01:49.09 | TheMechanic | ok ay |
| 01:49.16 | TheMechanic | smhar: what OS is your desktop running? |
| 01:49.37 | TheMechanic | FluxD: so you want a secure way to access the command line? |
| 01:49.37 | smhar | TheMechanic, both are running debian squeeze |
| 01:49.57 | FluxD | TheMechanic, rudi_s streuner its a remote machine and I am having problems with ssh server |
| 01:50.01 | TheMechanic | try serial connection over ssh?netcat+stunnel |
| 01:50.29 | TheMechanic | FluxD: what kind of problems? |
| 01:50.54 | TheMechanic | smhar: interesting, so what is the problem? :) |
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| 01:51.10 | FluxD | TheMechanic, well I am not sure, nothing in logs |
| 01:51.11 | TheMechanic | use wvdial, read the docs if you need to |
| 01:51.17 | streuner | sedstapler: e-plus just sucks in many regions in .de, only if you are in big areas (Berlin, Frankfurt) it works well and stable |
| 01:51.19 | TheMechanic | okay |
| 01:51.35 | TheMechanic | fluxd: are you connected to the machine now? |
| 01:51.42 | streuner | sedstapler: but eplus is just cheap... |
| 01:52.08 | sedstapler | streuner: yeah, I got it because the SIM card effectively only costs 3 EUR |
| 01:52.10 | nsadmin | TheMechanic, eavesdropped on your suggestion about named and listen-on... some details follow: |
| 01:52.45 | smhar | TheMechanic, I am using wvdial in both and I can connect to internet in both using HUAWEI. The problem is: in the desktop, I can be connected for days, while on the notebook it is disconnected very frequently |
| 01:52.45 | TheMechanic | streuner: this is almost true for any wireless based service, the big cities get better coverage. unless you go with an older provider that already built a large cell presence over the years |
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| 01:53.19 | TheMechanic | smhar: sounds like a power saving "feature" to me |
| 01:53.29 | nsadmin | precise syntax, options { ... listen-on [ port <num> ] { <address>; }; |
| 01:53.42 | nsadmin | note weirdly 2 semicolons... |
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| 01:54.01 | smhar | TheMechanic, This the error output: http://paste.debian.net/88465/ . and this is the messages log: (only the last part due to pastebin size limitations) : http://paste.debian.net/88473/ , and this is a kernel failure I sometimes get (it might be helpful): http://paste.debian.net/88466/ . |
| 01:54.12 | smhar | TheMechanic, I tried stopping /etc/init.d/acpid, apmd, acpi-support & acpi-fakekey , and still it disconnects |
| 01:54.20 | nsadmin | the <address> would be the ip of the machine bind runs on |
| 01:54.22 | TheMechanic | yes inside the curly braces, the list of ips are separated by ; and the other semi column if for entry line termination |
| 01:54.56 | FluxD | TheMechanic, I have access using webmin |
| 01:55.14 | TheMechanic | smhar: well need to find out whether this is really the problem first, also did you check if the driver/module for huwaei create anything interesting in /sys? |
| 01:55.45 | nsadmin | finally... in the debian config, there is a named.conf.options where you would put the listen-on inside; putting the whole options { listen-on {}} thing again will result in bind not starting |
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| 01:56.11 | nsadmin | and, thanks for pointing me in the direction, it kicked me into doing it |
| 01:56.39 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: that was the point, point you in the direction and you do the rest of the homework |
| 01:56.51 | smhar | TheMechanic, how to find if 'this is really the problem first' ? |
| 01:56.56 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: but thanks for the feedback |
| 01:57.06 | smhar | TheMechanic, and where to look in /sys exactly? |
| 01:57.15 | nsadmin | it was a good bit of homeworkl |
| 01:57.50 | TheMechanic | smhar: first, look at the huwaei module, where does it log stuff, does it create any interesting control files in /sys?is there any documentations? |
| 01:58.11 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: cool now you won't forget it :) |
| 01:58.25 | TheMechanic | unless you don't touch it for 4 5 years like someone I know |
| 01:58.57 | Anthro | I am having an exim4 problem. The Verizon SMTP server is rejecting smarthost mail, saying that "No AUTH command has been given." I have auth information set up the same way that it used to work with Comcast. Any ideas? |
| 01:59.12 | smhar | TheMechanic, no supplied docs, just the usb device which loads its setup software in windows |
| 01:59.25 | smhar | TheMechanic, I am really lost here |
| 01:59.59 | TheMechanic | what model huwaei are you using? |
| 02:00.03 | nsadmin | well... my reason for running bind is to have an internal domain name for my unroutable subnet... the only thing I touched in the last 4-5 years has been the names in the name zone and the reverse zone |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | Anthro: did you try the submission port also? |
| 02:01.20 | nsadmin | the main thing that kept me going was the log messages, without them I wouldn't have been able to continue without asking someone |
| 02:01.45 | Anthro | abrotman: Not sure what you mean. I can telnet to port 587 on outgoing.verizon.net. In fact, my iPhone successfully sends mail in exactly that manner. |
| 02:01.50 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: cool, I am glad it worked out |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | Anthro: so use that? |
| 02:01.59 | smhar | TheMechanic, I used to know that :-) now I do not remember and dmesg dos not tell the model, let me check some more |
| 02:02.03 | TheMechanic | smhar: what is your huwaei model? |
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| 02:02.20 | TheMechanic | smhar: the usb device should have the model engraved on it |
| 02:02.21 | streuner | smhar: lsusb |
| 02:02.30 | Anthro | abrotman: So use what? That's how exim4 is configured. It isn't working. |
| 02:02.31 | TheMechanic | lsusb won't tell the model |
| 02:02.49 | streuner | it should tell you about the PCIID |
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| 02:03.19 | smhar | TheMechanic, Bus 002 Device 028: ID 12d1:14ac Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. |
| 02:03.21 | streuner | sure it tells you about |
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| 02:03.55 | TheMechanic | yes but not the specific model |
| 02:04.00 | TheMechanic | is it an E220? |
| 02:04.31 | TheMechanic | can you look at the back of the device?or on the package? |
| 02:04.41 | streuner | E220 would be good, IIRC |
| 02:05.16 | streuner | Huawei E1820 according to google |
| 02:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | Anthro: Verison does not appear to be seeing your auth command in the login. Since it worked with comcast, this is likely a verizon problem, not an exim/debian problem. I would strongly suggest googling for verison ssmtp and/or verizon exim4 and/or contacting verizon support. |
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| 02:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | Anthro: Just for giggles you could see if smtp works. |
| 02:06.40 | smhar | streuner, TheMechanic, it is E1820 |
| 02:06.43 | streuner | smhar: if you buy such things, just google for Linux support first in future |
| 02:06.59 | Anthro | jhutchins_lt: It's smtp, not ssmtp. No SSL, no TLS. Cuz why would yo ever need to protect your credentials? |
| 02:07.27 | streuner | smhar: just sell it and buy an E220 |
| 02:07.59 | jhutchins_lt | Anthro: If it's complaining about auth, it's trying to be ssmtp. |
| 02:08.08 | smhar | streuner, when you have options then it is OK, but when it is the only thing your ISP gives and supports then you get it and try to make it work with linux |
| 02:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | Anthro: That or it has some other auth mechanism, again, verizon support, google. |
| 02:08.13 | streuner | smhar: i think i payed about 30-40 Euro for my stuff |
| 02:08.14 | FluxD | Is there any other secure way to access shell on a remote machine other than openssh ? |
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| 02:08.33 | abrotman | there are other sshds ? |
| 02:08.41 | streuner | smhar: your ISP isnt care what kind of device you are using... |
| 02:08.53 | TheMechanic | FluxD: doesn't webmin let you execute commands? |
| 02:08.54 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Well, there's putty. |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | sshd |
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| 02:09.06 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | TheMechanic: you're joking right? |
| 02:09.10 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: putty for linux. |
| 02:09.11 | FluxD | TheMechanic, how do I say "yes" in webmin to a prompt |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | judd: info dropbear --release lenny |
| 02:09.20 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a gui app that can split a video into separate files? |
| 02:09.21 | judd | dropbear (net, optional): lightweight SSH2 server and client. Version: 0.51-1; Size: 204.6k; Installed: 432k |
| 02:09.25 | Metaphysicist | Anyone able to point me to correct drivers for a Logitech G25 Racing Wheel in Debian? |
| 02:09.31 | smhar | streuner, but why do you say it is the problem of the device, it is working just fine with my other debian squeeze desktop computer |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | Metaphysicist: i can drive! |
| 02:09.36 | TheMechanic | you do yes | command |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | do not use webmin |
| 02:09.46 | Metaphysicist | abrotman: Hehe :) |
| 02:09.58 | TheMechanic | abrotman: he is already using it, and he is locked out of his box |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | Metaphysicist: shouldn't it appear as a joystick ? |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | is the box local or far away? |
| 02:10.10 | streuner | smhar: same release, same packages? true, i forgot, sorry |
| 02:10.16 | FluxD | abrotman, far away |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | it's running Lenny? |
| 02:10.55 | nsadmin | did you get locked out by webmin? |
| 02:10.57 | smhar | streuner, same release, almost same packages, but what difference it will male to the device |
| 02:10.59 | FluxD | squeeze |
| 02:11.05 | Metaphysicist | abrotman: Yea, but the force feedback and clutch pedals are acting strange. |
| 02:11.09 | man_in_ltop | Metaphysicist, isn't it just a standard HID device? |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | can't that piece of shit webmin reset an account ? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | Metaphysicist: clutch is failing! |
| 02:11.49 | Metaphysicist | So it should work without issue, then? |
| 02:12.14 | streuner | smhar: same kernel? |
| 02:12.15 | Metaphysicist | Actually, I found a post about it. |
| 02:12.23 | Metaphysicist | Thanks, though. |
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| 02:12.48 | streuner | smhar: its only a kernel issue, IMO |
| 02:12.54 | TheMechanic | smhar: what is yur kernel version? |
| 02:12.56 | Anthro | jhutchins_lt: Ah, Google. I should have checked first. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-users/2006-July/000714.html |
| 02:13.21 | TheMechanic | FluxD: from webmin, try running sshd -d -v |
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| 02:13.51 | smhar | streuner, not sure about the kernel in the desktop, it is an updated one but probably a different kernel due to platform difference |
| 02:14.14 | streuner | smhar: this "Tainted" thingie give me headaches |
| 02:14.20 | FluxD | TheMechanic, bash: sshd: command not found |
| 02:14.33 | TheMechanic | FluxD: /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 02:15.08 | smhar | streuner, btw, this device/sim supports speeds upto 21Mb |
| 02:15.09 | fishcooker | nsadmin i got debian-derivatives on my boxes... i'm on knoppix |
| 02:15.24 | FluxD | TheMechanic, bash: /usr/sbin/sshd: No such file or directory |
| 02:15.24 | TheMechanic | smhar: that is all theory, it will never go above 12 :) |
| 02:15.25 | fishcooker | sorry for slow response |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | fishcooker: there is a #knoppix for Knoppix users |
| 02:15.46 | smhar | streuner, but I normally get 2 to 8 which is very good by our standards here :-) |
| 02:15.48 | TheMechanic | FluxD: interesting |
| 02:15.59 | TheMechanic | FluxD: is that machine running debian? |
| 02:16.23 | fishcooker | it seems dead :D abrotman |
| 02:16.28 | FluxD | TheMechanic, yup, it recently crashed, and after I hard rebooted this is what I got |
| 02:16.40 | abrotman | fishcooker: then ask ##linux, this channel is for Debian users, we cannot support all the distros based on Debian |
| 02:16.43 | streuner | smhar: are we talking about UMTS now? :-P |
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| 02:17.09 | TheMechanic | FluxD: find /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin -name sshd |
| 02:17.44 | abrotman | if it's squeeze, it's /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 02:18.06 | TheMechanic | abrotman: he said he got no such file for that .. above |
| 02:18.21 | abrotman | then perhaps he doesn't have openssh-server installed |
| 02:18.25 | FluxD | TheMechanic, nothing at all |
| 02:18.28 | TheMechanic | perhaps |
| 02:18.37 | TheMechanic | FluxD: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 02:18.40 | streuner | smhar: you are talking about 21MB, i got about 50kb via UMTS |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 02:19.06 | fishcooker | abrotman #ubuntu is hyperactive #knoppix like cemetry, #debian is between both :D |
| 02:19.22 | CaT[t2] | we're hyperactive zombies? |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | fishcooker: this channel is for Debian users, that is your last warning |
| 02:20.12 | fishcooker | alrite then |
| 02:20.21 | neurolysis | hi, i just installed stable on my netbook and everything is ridiculously large (like the text size, the icon size, etc) -- the resolution is correct. how do i fix this? |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | neurolysis: what is the video driver? |
| 02:20.43 | abrotman | erm .. video card |
| 02:20.53 | neurolysis | 945GME iirc |
| 02:21.00 | FluxD | TheMechanic, http://pastebin.ca/1935460 but I cant upgrade php coz it conflicts with my code |
| 02:21.04 | neurolysis | the resolution is listed as being correct and it feels alright |
| 02:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | fishcooker: knoppix is sufficiently different from debian that we might give incorrect answers. If the irc channel's dead, try the mailing lists, particularly arcives. |
| 02:21.19 | neurolysis | it's just everything is like i did ctrl + mwheel in a browser |
| 02:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | fishcooker: Also try the irc channel during european daytime. |
| 02:21.23 | neurolysis | everything has become ridiculously large |
| 02:21.48 | TheMechanic | FluxD: then you have a decision to make... your code or ssh |
| 02:21.49 | TheMechanic | :) |
| 02:21.51 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: I found that lenny didn't get the right dpi setting for my netbook. had to set it manually by passing an option to X (from vague memory) |
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| 02:22.17 | FluxD | TheMechanic, It was originally lenny I guess I will try and change apt to lenny |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | that probably will fail |
| 02:22.45 | FluxD | :( |
| 02:22.54 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: good god, 133x135 |
| 02:23.01 | TheMechanic | you are running/needing php4 for your code? |
| 02:23.04 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: yeah :) |
| 02:23.06 | FluxD | Can I just insall openssh-server without the rest |
| 02:23.13 | TheMechanic | no |
| 02:23.13 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: something to that affect :) |
| 02:23.13 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: any idea what it was you put in? |
| 02:23.19 | TheMechanic | but you can compile openssh from source |
| 02:23.25 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: i chose 96 for my dpi I think |
| 02:23.31 | neurolysis | from where? |
| 02:23.33 | FluxD | TheMechanic, no a specific version oh php5 |
| 02:23.33 | neurolysis | is there some gui? |
| 02:23.37 | CaT[t2] | other "good" option is 72 |
| 02:24.06 | nsadmin | is there some gui for what? |
| 02:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: You might be able to install it with apt-get, download the actually necessary files and install with dpkg, or use apt-pinning (which would be a good idea if current PHP kills your code). |
| 02:24.14 | TheMechanic | the pastebin you pasted says that apt wants to downgrade a few things to php5 |
| 02:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: Or fix your code, PHP will upgrade sooner or later. |
| 02:24.41 | FluxD | jhujhiti, a rewrite is being done but not any time soon |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | FluxD: then who the hell decided to upgrade the box to squeeze ? |
| 02:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | is gonna have to figure out who jhujhiti is one of these days. |
| 02:25.33 | FluxD | abrotman, I did coz some of the packages like apache was really old |
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| 02:25.37 | smhar | streuner, TheMechanic, sorry, I got disconnected again |
| 02:25.48 | FluxD | oops my bad jhutchins_lt |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | FluxD: that was monumentally dumb .. there aren't even security updates for squeeze yet |
| 02:26.04 | TheMechanic | grrrr I gotta say, for openssh-server pakcage to need/want all this jazz .. that is pretty bad packaging |
| 02:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: Happens all the time, no prob. |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | TheMechanic: that's likely not the fault of sshd |
| 02:26.17 | nsadmin | FluxD: and this oldness was a problem because it somehow caused something to not work? |
| 02:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: Sometimes I have three instances here but that isn't one of them. |
| 02:27.01 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: hm, doing xrandr --dpi 72 gets a different output from xdpyinfo but it still looks bad. any ideas? |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | TheMechanic: or rather, not directly the fault of |
| 02:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: Anyway, sometime apt-get ignores the general upgrade stuff and just does what you tell it to. |
| 02:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: No relation between openssh and php. |
| 02:27.49 | FluxD | jhutchins_lt, ssh cant just go missing randomly |
| 02:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | neurolysis: Seek recomendations for your particular netbook? |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | FluxD: it will if you only half upgraded the box and some dep was removed .. |
| 02:28.06 | FluxD | What happens if I change apt from squeeze to lenny then all packages get downgraded from the current versions ? |
| 02:28.11 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: No, but it might not be installed by default. |
| 02:28.19 | neurolysis | jhutchins_lt: i don't mean 'it's still bad' so much as 'nothing changes' |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | FluxD: it's not supported, you can try it, but it may fail horribly |
| 02:28.25 | neurolysis | i can see that it redraws the display |
| 02:28.27 | jordanm | !tell FluxD about downgrade |
| 02:28.29 | neurolysis | but it doesn't actually change anything |
| 02:28.39 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: I think I either poked xdm/Xservers or xinit/xserverrc - this was ages back and I don't have my netbook to look at. |
| 02:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | FluxD: No, they won't be downgraded, existing versions higher than available versions will be kept and there is a good chance of breakage. |
| 02:28.54 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: ok, thanks :) |
| 02:28.55 | smhar | streuner, TheMechanic, so any ideas on how to solve the problem? other than getting a new HUAWEI device |
| 02:29.08 | FluxD | I am gonna have a go at installing the openssh server deb |
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| 02:29.38 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: ah even better, i suspect it may just be because it's not using the intel driver, so i'll go and get that. thanks agian! :) |
| 02:29.56 | fishcooker | jhutchins_It: nice info, arigatou |
| 02:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | !tell FluxD about pinning |
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| 02:30.35 | gryllida | The command `dpkg --configure -a` when running as root returns errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/490118/ , what can I do to fix it? |
| 02:30.43 | TheMechanic | smhar: how did you disable the acpi stuff? |
| 02:30.48 | CaT[t2] | neurolysis: that'd also be a good move :) |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | gryllida: you should ask #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, have a nice day |
| 02:32.10 | TheMechanic | FluxD: do you have a squeeze box around? |
| 02:32.20 | nsadmin | smhar: what driver is the device supported by? or does it need any driver? |
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| 02:32.37 | FluxD | TheMechanic, I think so |
| 02:32.51 | gryllida | abrotman: I did |
| 02:32.51 | nsadmin | call her over then! |
| 02:33.02 | gryllida | abrotman: they on't know |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | gryllida: then please go back there and wait, Ubuntu is offtopic in #debian |
| 02:33.04 | TheMechanic | FluxD: is it the same architecture? |
| 02:33.06 | smhar | TheMechanic, /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
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| 02:33.14 | abrotman | gryllida: IOW, Ubuntu is not supported here |
| 02:33.15 | FluxD | TheMechanic, yes but different kernel |
| 02:33.29 | TheMechanic | smhar: okay, in my experience some times this really doesn't do all that needs to be done |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | gryllida: alternately, you can try ##linux |
| 02:33.52 | TheMechanic | so I usually add acpi=off noacpi apic=off in my grub config |
| 02:33.54 | smhar | nsadmin, I do not know of the driver, it was supported by the kernel with very little help of me, |
| 02:33.55 | gryllida | abrotman: ... I did both, thanks |
| 02:33.56 | TheMechanic | and reboot |
| 02:34.14 | TheMechanic | there is a driver, it is autoloaded |
| 02:34.17 | nsadmin | smhar: was? |
| 02:34.29 | kpoorman | I'm trying to change the fqdn of my debian box. I've used hostname -v and set the /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts file but hostname -f still reports unknown host |
| 02:34.32 | TheMechanic | FluxD: run apt-get check |
| 02:34.46 | FluxD | Whats the default value of ListenAddress in sshd_config ? |
| 02:34.49 | kpoorman | any idea how to change it ? |
| 02:34.57 | abrotman | FluxD: should be all interfaces |
| 02:35.17 | smhar | nsadmin, I mean when I first started using it, now it works with NO help of me at all |
| 02:35.17 | FluxD | so ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | kpoorman: what about just hostname ? |
| 02:35.28 | TheMechanic | it should be commented out , for all interfaces |
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| 02:35.50 | nsadmin | smhar: oh, it does work now? well... umm... good ;) |
| 02:35.53 | TheMechanic | but.. might I ask why you tinkering with sshd_config if sshd binary is missing |
| 02:35.57 | smhar | TheMechanic, I will try that with my next reboot, and I hope it will solve the problem |
| 02:36.05 | FluxD | TheMechanic, I am backing it up |
| 02:36.17 | TheMechanic | FluxD: ok, |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | TheMechanic: because it was removed, not purged |
| 02:36.23 | smhar | nsadmin, well, it works, it just takes lots of BREAK times :-) |
| 02:36.26 | TheMechanic | FluxD: run apt-get check when you have a chance |
| 02:36.34 | kpoorman | abrotman: hostname reports back the hostname but not the fully qualified domain name |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | kpoorman: how do the contents of /etc/mailname look ? |
| 02:36.50 | nsadmin | kpoorman: that;s what hostname does |
| 02:36.57 | nsadmin | try hostname -f |
| 02:36.59 | FluxD | TheMechanic, on the fubared box? |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: please read above |
| 02:37.17 | kpoorman | nsadmin: hostname -f reports "unknown host" |
| 02:37.46 | TheMechanic | smhar: if you can find any interesting files in /sys that is related to the device, you could write some code to monitor them |
| 02:37.49 | TheMechanic | like a small shell script |
| 02:38.10 | TheMechanic | also, have you by any chance check /var/log/messages and /var/log/all for any clues about the disconnection? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | kpoorman: could you put your /etc/hosts in a pastebin ? |
| 02:38.51 | nsadmin | kpoorman: so evidently there's lots more going on than just the simple case(s) and abrotman et al is more familiar with what you have... I'd have to come up to speed |
| 02:39.02 | kpoorman | abrotman: will do. |
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| 02:40.52 | FluxD | TheMechanic, abrotman I downloaded the ssh client and server deb and installed and it seems to be fine now |
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| 02:41.22 | TheMechanic | FluxD: cool, you are lucky you had that webmin thing there |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | woulnd't need it if he did the sensible thing |
| 02:41.38 | FluxD | TheMechanic, it was there fr exactly this purpose ;) |
| 02:41.38 | smhar | TheMechanic, I do not have /var/log/all |
| 02:41.39 | TheMechanic | otherwise you would have needed to do a whole lot of remote hands.....or driving :) |
| 02:42.12 | TheMechanic | smhar: okay what about /var/log/messages?anything interesting related to the huwaei there? |
| 02:42.27 | TheMechanic | abrotman: yes, I am sure he will never do that again now |
| 02:42.28 | TheMechanic | :) |
| 02:42.33 | FluxD | abrotman, TheMechanic, So what is the right way if you want the latest software but an older version of something else ? |
| 02:42.34 | smhar | TheMechanic, http://paste.debian.net/88473/ |
| 02:42.37 | nsadmin | smhar: if [ -d /var/log ]; then; echo yes; fi |
| 02:42.37 | TheMechanic | FluxD: don't do that again.. bad idea |
| 02:42.39 | kpoorman | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/vZ5iRhJp |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | FluxD: what was wrong with the stuff already on the system? was it broken somehow ? |
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| 02:43.10 | nsadmin | FluxD: upgrading unnecessarily was what got you into part of this mess in the first place |
| 02:43.14 | TheMechanic | FluxD: upgrade exactly what you need, in a controlled environment.. upgrading just to be running the same version as the world is not a good enough reason |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | kpoorman: doesn't it have a real IP? |
| 02:43.24 | TheMechanic | especially on PRODUCTION machines |
| 02:43.31 | kpoorman | abrotman: it does, should I specify it ? |
| 02:43.38 | FluxD | So basically stay at lenny/stable |
| 02:43.46 | nsadmin | right; you should have both staging and dev machines to test things on |
| 02:44.08 | nsadmin | s/machines/web app instances/ |
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| 02:44.31 | neurolysis | CaT[t2]: just thought i'd let you know i got it fixed with a few xorg tweaks, specifically by forcing noddc and the displaysize -- thanks again for putting me on the trail :) |
| 02:44.34 | abrotman | kpoorman: you probably want 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain on the first line and <real IP> training-backend001 training-backend001.ci on the second |
| 02:44.45 | TheMechanic | FluxD: it could be end of lifed and you have no choice but to upgrade, but you should prepare in your lab and run different scenarios first |
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| 02:44.59 | kpoorman | abrotman: k, trying that |
| 02:45.05 | FluxD | TheMechanic, I dont have the resources for that |
| 02:45.26 | TheMechanic | FluxD: hmm, you only need a VM on some box and a few hours at night |
| 02:45.33 | nsadmin | FluxD: what do you have more of: machines, time in your life |
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| 02:46.02 | smhar | nsadmin, could you elaborate more, please? |
| 02:46.14 | FluxD | None to both lol, I do this part as a hobby for a friend who is windows only |
| 02:46.30 | TheMechanic | smhar: hey so , I read somewhere that the modem resets in the first minute and that is why there is that disconnection |
| 02:46.51 | TheMechanic | smhar: so disconnect the modem, reconnet and hold your horses for a 2-3 minutes before trying to connect |
| 02:47.03 | nsadmin | FluxD: oh, if you don't have time why are you doing this? what is the highest best use of your time right now? |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | FluxD: would you upgrade a windows box to a windows beta with no windowsupdate support? |
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| 02:47.42 | TheMechanic | FluxD: then you shouldn't have upgraded then, let him run on lenny forever |
| 02:47.42 | FluxD | I feel secure with testing most of the time, this was just a special case scenario |
| 02:47.49 | nsadmin | smhar: run that. |
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| 02:47.50 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | please give the root passwd to someone that has a clue |
| 02:48.12 | FluxD | abrotman, yea sure if someone does it for free |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | FluxD: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing ... those are the known ones |
| 02:48.26 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: run what? |
| 02:48.44 | nsadmin | TheMechanic, test for existance of /var/log |
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| 02:48.59 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: yes .. but why? |
| 02:49.12 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: he did not find a specific file, not the entire directory |
| 02:49.19 | TheMechanic | and the file is not standard..please wake up |
| 02:49.38 | nsadmin | he claimed before it doesn't exist, so my usual thing is to start one level of abstraction out |
| 02:49.45 | nsadmin | and then go in |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | kpoorman: any difference? |
| 02:50.29 | kpoorman | abrotman: do I need to restart to see the difference :? |
| 02:50.44 | nyRednek | wait, squeeze isn't stable? |
| 02:50.50 | nyRednek | coulda fooled me |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | kpoorman: well, you can just say "hostname foo.com" |
| 02:51.34 | nsadmin | TheMechanic: you're jumping to conclusions by equating my level of awakeness to the questions I ask |
| 02:52.10 | TheMechanic | okay |
| 02:52.29 | kpoorman | abrotman: ha, now hostname = hostname.ci and hostname -f reports hostname |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 02:53.31 | kpoorman | abrotman: when I run "hostname" I get "training-backend001.ci" |
| 02:53.37 | kpoorman | abrotman: when I run hostname -f |
| 02:53.42 | kpoorman | I get "Training-backend001" |
| 02:53.43 | TheMechanic | smhar: echo 4096 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh1 |
| 02:54.04 | nsadmin | TheMechanic: part of this is, I'm not necessarily always willing to put my full attention on something without the other party also having their full attention and showing that |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | kpoorman: that's interesting |
| 02:54.37 | nsadmin | that could account for your perception |
| 02:54.55 | kpoorman | abrotman: it seems to not be able to figure out how to get the .ci |
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| 02:56.32 | TheMechanic | smhar: try to reboot disabling acpi and apic , then echo 4096 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh1 to get over the neighboring ip entries creation, plug in the device, was 2-3 minutes then connect. while connected, do something like tail -f /var/log/messages and watch closely what is happening |
| 02:56.49 | TheMechanic | sorry I could not be more help, I have to get going to finish some real work now |
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| 03:01.57 | smhar | nsadmin, TheMechanic, sorry, disconnected again |
| 03:02.38 | TheMechanic | TheMechanic: smhar: try to reboot disabling acpi and apic , then echo 4096 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh1 to get over the neighboring ip entries creation, plug in the device, was 2-3 minutes then connect. while connected, do something like tail -f /var/log/messages and watch closely what is happening |
| 03:02.53 | TheMechanic | *wait 2-3 minutes* |
| 03:02.57 | TheMechanic | I gotta go |
| 03:02.59 | TheMechanic | good luck |
| 03:03.30 | nsadmin | how does dig find what name server to try? I have a debian box acting as a router and there is also a dns server running on it (bind9). I altered bind9 config so it only listens on the internal IP; when I do dig from the gw, it times out even tho resolv.conf looks reasonable; when using dig from an internal machine, it finds the bind9 on the gw and connects/uses successfully |
| 03:03.41 | smhar | TheMechanic, I think you have misunderstood the problem. it does not disconnect in the first minute. it actually connects to the internet for a while -sometimes an hour or two- before disconnection, |
| 03:04.22 | TheMechanic | smhar: read your logs, there are at least 2 incidents where the modem disconnected within 1 minute from being inserted |
| 03:04.33 | hatter_ | i had a problem with this box last week where it was taking 15 seconds to get a response from commands, like ls -la, after upgrading from linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 it fixed it. now 5 days later i am logged in and getting the same symptoms, not sure where to start diagnosing |
| 03:04.51 | nsadmin | smhar: what kind of modem? |
| 03:05.04 | smhar | nsadmin, I actually tried running from console: if [ -d /var/log ]; then; echo yes; fi and got: syntax error near unexpected token `;' this is why I ask for elaboration |
| 03:05.52 | TheMechanic | hatter_: vmstat 5 15 |
| 03:06.01 | TheMechanic | smhar: there is an extra ; after then |
| 03:06.10 | nsadmin | smhar: let;s see, try it another way: [ -d /var/log ] && echo yes |
| 03:06.18 | TheMechanic | hatter_: do you have sar installed? |
| 03:07.04 | hatter_ | TheMechanic, its in the middle of upgrading the 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel at the moment, taking ages |
| 03:07.11 | hatter_ | i dont know what sar is |
| 03:07.16 | hatter_ | but i can install it |
| 03:07.17 | TheMechanic | smhar: don't worry about this /var/log snippet , we already know the directory exists since you pasted /var/log/messages |
| 03:07.27 | hatter_ | vmstat is running now |
| 03:07.29 | nsadmin | hatter_, you can also find otu |
| 03:07.30 | smhar | nsadmin, aristotle:/home/salman# if [ -d /var/log ]; then echo yes; fi gives yes |
| 03:07.31 | TheMechanic | sar is a package to do system reporting |
| 03:07.48 | nsadmin | ok, so you have /var/log dir |
| 03:07.56 | hatter_ | hmmm i havent used vmstat before |
| 03:08.08 | nsadmin | what is it more specifically you do not have? |
| 03:08.12 | TheMechanic | what is vmstat saying? |
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| 03:08.27 | hatter_ | line 1: 3 11 1224 40260 26756 1568520 0 0 5 25 17 17 0 3 92 4 |
| 03:08.33 | smhar | nsadmin, oh, so you were testing that?? :-) |
| 03:08.45 | TheMechanic | nsadmin: for your dig, try to point at the server internal ip address |
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| 03:08.51 | hatter_ | line2: 1 9 1224 22372 26776 1562032 0 0 184 63 215 1136 54 9 0 36 |
| 03:08.58 | hatter_ | this is during the kernel upgrade |
| 03:09.09 | hatter_ | which is still going very slow |
| 03:09.12 | nsadmin | TheMechanic: you mean dig @ip ...? |
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| 03:09.50 | I-are- | hi, can someone please help me figure out why my computer will not burn DVD's. I have tried both brasero and k3b, and each one recognizes the images but will not let me start burning even after I make sure the disc is blank. |
| 03:09.59 | I-are- | I am using lenny |
| 03:10.02 | TheMechanic | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.07 | I-are- | LXDE |
| 03:10.08 | TheMechanic | replace server with the internal ip |
| 03:10.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 03:11.07 | nsadmin | it answers that |
| 03:11.30 | nsadmin | I think I should make it also listen to localhost |
| 03:11.51 | hatter_ | TheMechanic, ok so the r value exceeded the cpu's twice |
| 03:12.19 | TheMechanic | r means runnable |
| 03:12.48 | TheMechanic | i.e a process which is ready to run and is waiting to be scheduled on a cpu |
| 03:13.06 | nsadmin | that's weird |
| 03:13.17 | TheMechanic | b means blocked, a process which is blocked on I/O of some kind like network response or disk response |
| 03:13.32 | TheMechanic | so your machine seems to be pretty busy, how many processors do you have? |
| 03:13.53 | hatter_ | its an amd64 3.0ghz dual core |
| 03:14.03 | nsadmin | n/m... got it.... resolv.conf had nameserver localhost |
| 03:14.19 | hatter_ | it appears to be bottlenecking when reading/writing to the disks |
| 03:14.25 | TheMechanic | okay, blocked in both the lines you pasted is fairly high, if the machine is compiling the kernel now that is probably okay |
| 03:15.05 | TheMechanic | you want to watch vmstat when you are not doing something super intensive, see if there are processes running you don't know about or perhaps there are issues iwth your hardware |
| 03:15.12 | I-are- | nm got it not used to having to select cd or dvd iso image |
| 03:15.37 | TheMechanic | bottlenecking is too big of a word, if you have a single disk on a single controller and you are compiling the kernel there is a lot of I/O happening |
| 03:15.44 | TheMechanic | so it is not that unheard of |
| 03:16.03 | hatter_ | TheMechanic, it is taking 10 seconds to do a directory list |
| 03:16.25 | TheMechanic | do df -h |
| 03:16.26 | nsadmin | weird. my interfaces file has dns-nameservers <internalIP> but /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:16.31 | hatter_ | but only when it hasnt done it before |
| 03:17.02 | TheMechanic | yea because it is not in the cache and it actually would ahve to seek the dir entry and read it |
| 03:17.10 | hatter_ | TheMechanic, there is stacks of space, its got 2x 1.5tb hard disks with raid1 mdadm |
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| 03:17.13 | TheMechanic | while it is doing other intensive tasks |
| 03:17.33 | hatter_ | df -h is working quickly |
| 03:17.34 | TheMechanic | is the kernel still compiling?and why are you compiling the kernel again if you did that last week? |
| 03:17.46 | hatter_ | not compiling |
| 03:17.49 | hatter_ | upgrading |
| 03:17.55 | TheMechanic | upgrading what? |
| 03:17.58 | hatter_ | aptitude said there was an update |
| 03:18.02 | TheMechanic | oh |
| 03:18.04 | TheMechanic | ok |
| 03:18.06 | hatter_ | of the same kernel it is running on |
| 03:18.23 | TheMechanic | so keep investigating, vmstat, sar |
| 03:18.30 | TheMechanic | run seige |
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| 03:18.50 | TheMechanic | and see what happens, perhaps there is a problem with the hardware or with the hardware drivers |
| 03:19.02 | TheMechanic | good luck |
| 03:19.12 | TheMechanic | good night everyone |
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| 03:19.27 | hatter_ | what is sar ? |
| 03:19.32 | hatter_ | aptitude doesnt know it as that |
| 03:19.49 | TheMechanic | search the web |
| 03:19.54 | TheMechanic | sar is an old school thing |
| 03:19.57 | TheMechanic | but is very good |
| 03:20.29 | hatter_ | in systat package |
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| 03:24.30 | hatter_ | furhter reading into vmstat, double digit wa (wait) in the cpu section indicate i/o bottleneck |
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| 03:30.19 | oblu | houhou |
| 03:30.20 | oblu | hello |
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| 03:37.54 | unkmar | houhou. is that hawian? |
| 03:38.24 | newsense | whats the next testing branch codenamed ? |
| 03:39.13 | EmleyMoor | newsense: Not sure that will be revealed before squeeze releases |
| 03:39.29 | newsense | it was last time from what i remember |
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| 03:42.02 | nsadmin | so the new name has been decided? |
| 03:42.19 | stew | nsadmin: wheezy |
| 03:42.34 | nsadmin | squeezy wheezy |
| 03:42.46 | stew | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/09/msg00000.html |
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| 03:43.30 | newsense | oh cool and he's a penguin |
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| 03:43.53 | nsadmin | that's probably coincidental |
| 03:43.56 | ZeuZ | what's the recommended setup for a simple POP3 mailserver? |
| 03:44.21 | nsadmin | a pop3 server and a mail server are two different things |
| 03:44.28 | nsadmin | do you want both or just pop3? |
| 03:45.08 | ZeuZ | both things |
| 03:45.21 | ZeuZ | Not IMAP though |
| 03:45.27 | ZeuZ | Just POP3 support |
| 03:45.52 | nsadmin | so you want to have an MTA and also have a pop3 |
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| 03:46.07 | nsadmin | that is be able to connect with a pop3 client |
| 03:46.54 | ZeuZ | Yeah, as MTA I've currently installed exim4 |
| 03:47.12 | ZeuZ | (default I beleave) |
| 03:47.52 | nsadmin | and so you want the MTA to receive mail for some domain, and have the POP3 serve the mails that were received |
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| 03:48.17 | ZeuZ | Well, that's the point |
| 03:48.29 | nsadmin | do you have a static IP on that machine? |
| 03:48.30 | ZeuZ | What I need to know is an indicator, of wheter to use postfix, dovecot, or something else. |
| 03:48.33 | ZeuZ | Yeah |
| 03:48.35 | ZeuZ | and a domain |
| 03:48.40 | ZeuZ | currently parked and working |
| 03:48.56 | ZeuZ | That, and a 24/7 "high-speed" connection |
| 03:49.05 | ZeuZ | So don't worry about that part ^_^ |
| 03:49.23 | nsadmin | ok, then you'll want a nameserver running on that box so that the MTA and POP3 can query names quickly |
| 03:49.39 | ZeuZ | It's done too, allready |
| 03:49.51 | ZeuZ | besides the ones provided by the ISP are also pretty much fast |
| 03:49.57 | ZeuZ | I've also setup a daemon to cache DNS queries |
| 03:50.15 | nsadmin | well the thing is you don't want to depend on the isp |
| 03:50.18 | ZeuZ | Is postfix still the standar? |
| 03:50.30 | ZeuZ | nsadmin, I know, localhost serves me better ^_^ |
| 03:50.42 | nsadmin | you need to figure the connections between the pieces |
| 03:50.44 | ZeuZ | the DNS is running, tryied dig'ing it for names, and it resolves correctly. |
| 03:51.00 | nsadmin | one unknown is what form and where the received emails will be stored |
| 03:51.38 | ZeuZ | What I need to know is what's used now, I've been reading this: http://workaround.org/ispmail/sarge |
| 03:51.41 | ZeuZ | BUt it's for sarge |
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| 03:51.47 | ZeuZ | And we've got a DB there to store them |
| 03:52.04 | ZeuZ | (mysql) |
| 03:53.04 | ZeuZ | Would some setup like that one be sufficient by today standards? |
| 03:53.17 | nsadmin | you have to store them in a db? why mysql (since its features for keeping the database uncorrupted are fairly substandard as compared to pg)? |
| 03:53.47 | nsadmin | in any case, the database part is a much longer conversation |
| 03:54.11 | nsadmin | but the overall picture is, |
| 03:54.51 | nsadmin | MTA -> MDA which "delivers" the mail meant for the domain into the db (so you pick the proper MDA to do that) |
| 03:55.16 | nsadmin | POP3 server is chosen to also access the db to get the mail |
| 03:56.09 | ZeuZ | Well, according to that tutorial exim4 works for that. One thing less. |
| 03:56.16 | ZeuZ | Then that tutorial uses postfix. |
| 03:56.32 | ZeuZ | You suggest using postgress but we're allready using 4 DBs from mysql |
| 03:56.46 | ZeuZ | getting also postgres wouldn't be too much of an overkill being that it'll be used for this alone? |
| 03:56.55 | nsadmin | well it depends on the importance |
| 03:57.09 | nsadmin | as well as your experience with pg constraints |
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| 03:57.56 | ZeuZ | to be honest, I'm learning with this experience, so I'm not afraid of trying. |
| 03:58.42 | nsadmin | does the final result involve a machine in production doing something? |
| 03:59.43 | nsadmin | that is, is there a machine -now- running an internet app that "the public" connects to? |
| 03:59.51 | ZeuZ | yup |
| 03:59.54 | ZeuZ | so I've gotta be careful |
| 04:00.06 | ZeuZ | but don't have other place to start either so.. can't be helped |
| 04:00.10 | nsadmin | well yes, -and- you need a separate box to test on |
| 04:00.30 | ZeuZ | not counting with that much hardware right now though |
| 04:00.44 | ZeuZ | If anything happens, everything can stop. It's non-crucial, non-paid-for. |
| 04:00.51 | ZeuZ | So don't worry about that |
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| 04:02.19 | nsadmin | so you have to decide the medium to store mails locally. maildir? pg? mysql? mbox?; after you decide that, you would put a setup together on a separate box, keeping careful notes on how it's set up, then you can try to do it on the production box |
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| 04:03.39 | nsadmin | if you're going with a database and you're writing the transactions, make sure that errors occuring within the transactions cause the whole outer transaction to roll back |
| 04:05.05 | nsadmin | and for example if the transation you're working on is fired by the MTA/MDA delivering to your domain, causes the MTA to hold the mail and try again to deliver it later |
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| 04:07.05 | Devastator | I'm trying to install debian to an old Pentium 133mhz / 32mb RAM, and I'm getting "RAMDISK: Incomplete write (-28 != 32768), what can I do? |
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| 04:10.55 | Bushmills | ZeuZ: either combination wil do. popular is for example postfix and dovecot |
| 04:11.24 | NoCode | Hello, I just installed Debian Testing with the expert install method. Installed Gnome, etc.. When I want to use Synaptic, the (gksu) window comes up to authenticate as root. While I've enabled user to use sudo, it won't allow me to authenticate user as root with gksu. |
| 04:11.37 | NoCode | Does user have to be in the root group? |
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| 04:14.43 | peterrooney | NoCode: gksu is not for sudo, it's for su - it asks for root password, not user's password. |
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| 04:16.12 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: gksu will actually work for sudo too |
| 04:17.06 | dondelelcaro | (which it uses depends on the GConf key for it) |
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| 04:31.42 | kurtis | Hey guys, I am able to mount my Windows Shared Partition over the network manually (http://pastebin.com/6411FqBn). How would I go about using that command to mount the filesystem at system startup (after network is up, of course)? |
| 04:32.05 | hatter_ | kurtis, add it to fstab |
| 04:32.55 | kurtis | hatter_: I actually did add it there but wasn't sure if it was going to work the way I did it. Can you tell me if this looks right? http://pastebin.com/6411FqBn |
| 04:33.18 | nsadmin | kurtis: probably easier if you try it and report your findings |
| 04:33.43 | kurtis | Sorry I didn't update the fstab contents: http://pastebin.com/jrKYJPMs |
| 04:34.00 | nsadmin | as someone helping you will want you to do that anyway :) |
| 04:34.41 | kurtis | nsadmin: all right I'll give it a try. I was just wondering if it was the right format before I restarted my system as it's a server |
| 04:34.55 | hatter_ | kurtis, no you dont add the command into fstab |
| 04:35.15 | hatter_ | oh |
| 04:35.17 | kurtis | hatter_: Well I have the actual command commented out for reference. It's the final line |
| 04:35.21 | nsadmin | look at the other entries |
| 04:35.21 | hatter_ | line 10 looks more like it |
| 04:35.58 | hatter_ | is there no password ? |
| 04:36.00 | nsadmin | you can see what happens (if it's auto) by doing mount -a |
| 04:36.23 | kurtis | "line 8 is .... bad" |
| 04:37.02 | nsadmin | "really"? "very"? "not too"? |
| 04:37.12 | hatter_ | in mine i have this 'username=owner,pass="", but i dont know if it should work without the pass option |
| 04:37.19 | hatter_ | otherwise your's is correct |
| 04:37.20 | kurtis | hah "[mntent]: line 8 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 04:37.20 | kurtis | " |
| 04:37.57 | kurtis | hatter_: let me try throwing in an empty password and see if that works. |
| 04:38.40 | kurtis | Hmm, still bad. I wonder if it is my formatting? I assumed the previous lines used tabs between each column. Is that right? |
| 04:38.53 | kurtis | ahh n/m they use spaces. is there a certain number? |
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| 04:42.48 | NoCode | How would I add root as user, and allow it to have root privs? |
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| 04:43.42 | kurtis | hatter_: Okay I got it to work by following your example (included pass, fixed whitespace and removed the '-o' option, not even sure what that did). However, when I run the command as root it asks for a password. Will that happen on startup? |
| 04:44.11 | kurtis | NoCode: What do you mean? do you have root disabled? |
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| 04:45.54 | NoCode | Going into user settings, I only see user, there is no root user. I can't authenticate as root if the gksu window pops up when I try to run synaptic. |
| 04:46.36 | NoCode | When I did an expert install, I enabled the installation to allow sudo uage. |
| 04:46.39 | hatter_ | kurtis, you need to put the password in then |
| 04:46.45 | NoCode | usage* |
| 04:46.50 | hatter_ | it wont ask for the password on bootup |
| 04:46.54 | hatter_ | it just wont mount |
| 04:47.09 | NoCode | I also can't mount any partitions because it asks for root password. |
| 04:47.36 | NoCode | so I guess by adding a root user with full privs might help |
| 04:47.54 | NoCode | whoami reveals user, sudo whoami reveals root |
| 04:48.30 | hatter_ | nocode , are you using ubuntu ? |
| 04:48.45 | NoCode | ... |
| 04:48.52 | NoCode | No. |
| 04:48.57 | newsense | NoCode: sudo passwd root |
| 04:49.04 | newsense | enter new root password |
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| 04:49.48 | kurtis | hatter_: ahh thanks a lot man! it was just my syntax that was off with the quotes and stuff. |
| 04:49.53 | NoCode | newsense, Thank you very much. |
| 04:49.57 | newsense | np NoCode |
| 04:50.10 | hatter_ | kurtis, you're welcome |
| 04:51.51 | NoCode | Wow, you do not know how happy I am. |
| 04:52.12 | kurtis | What's the best low-resource method of hosting an x-server to connect to strictly over the network? |
| 04:52.47 | newsense | NoCode: glad we could help |
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| 04:54.08 | NoCode | I wonder if the installation copied over the Fn key + numlock when I entered the password |
| 04:54.12 | NoCode | probably |
| 04:54.12 | newsense | NoCode: btw to disable it again if you wish just use sudo passwd -l root, don't think you can disable root acc if you are root so use sudo |
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| 04:57.57 | NoCode | newsense, Why would I want to disable it again? I figured "sudo passwd root" just reset my password. |
| 04:58.26 | newsense | well ya had it disabled to begin with so i just thought i'd mention it |
| 04:58.54 | NoCode | kk, I'll just leave it like this. :P |
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| 05:04.23 | NoCode | Is there anyway to get the nofitication system Ubuntu has installed on Gnome? |
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| 05:05.05 | NoCode | I just installed notify-osd to see if it did it. Not sure if I need composition enabled or not. If I do, would metacity composition be good enough? |
| 05:05.09 | NoCode | Guess I'll check |
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| 05:05.42 | neoice | I think you need compositing for maxiumum sexiness |
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| 05:15.17 | hatter_ | do you think this would be a ram problem ? : Call Trace: |
| 05:15.17 | hatter_ | Sep 8 13:46:01 rhcharm kernel: [546710.682790] [<ffffffff8022ad2f>] __wake_up+0x38/0x4f |
| 05:15.17 | hatter_ | Sep 8 13:46:01 rhcharm kernel: [546710.682804] [<ffffffff8024ac06>] getnstimeofday+0x39/0x98 |
| 05:15.33 | hatter_ | lots of these through /var/log/messages |
| 05:16.55 | neoice | hatter_: have you compiled anything yourself? |
| 05:17.11 | nooper | if that's part of a stack trace, post the whole trace |
| 05:17.14 | hatter_ | neoice, no vanilla lenny |
| 05:17.16 | neoice | can you go to pastebin.com and paste a WHOLE bunch |
| 05:17.23 | hatter_ | neoice, sure |
| 05:18.53 | hatter_ | http://pastebin.com/ChBAcWQy |
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| 05:19.25 | nsadmin | to fiticate... or notofiticate... whether tis nobler to define what it means to fiticate or to blindly fiticate without knowing the meaning or consequences of fitidation in general or specifically to the case you're thinking of right now... |
| 05:21.35 | hatter_ | neoice, accompanying this is 10-15 second lag with commands, ie ls -la |
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| 05:32.26 | hatter_ | any thoughts on the stack trace ? |
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| 05:35.16 | dondelelcaro | . |
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| 06:07.45 | CaT[t2] | it's times like this that you sit back and think to yourself "Perhaps being on the debian-boot mailing list was a mistake." |
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| 06:12.50 | dondelelcaro | CaT[t2]: it's not like it's hard to mark mails as read |
| 06:12.57 | dondelelcaro | (and if it is, your MUA sucks) |
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| 06:25.02 | xro | Hi, i have a folder that contains a lot of small file and i would like to rm them... but when i do --> rm myFolder/* i get -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long.... How should i do? |
| 06:26.30 | joltcan | xro: you can do something like this: find . -name '*' | xargs rm |
| 06:26.37 | joltcan | if you are in that folder then |
| 06:27.09 | joltcan | if they have spaces in them, use xargs -0 rm |
| 06:27.51 | joltcan | xro: there are other ways as well, you will most likely find them if you search for "argument list too long" |
| 06:27.55 | xro | <joltcan>, the difference is that find will pass one file to the rm command each time? |
| 06:28.05 | ansgar | There is find -delete as well. |
| 06:28.09 | joltcan | xro: exactly |
| 06:28.18 | xro | <joltcan>, ok thanks |
| 06:28.43 | joltcan | xro: xargs is nice for a lot of your daily pipe business, I recommend having a look at it |
| 06:29.08 | xro | joltcan>, yes, i have to learn it... |
| 06:29.23 | dondelelcaro | joltcan: the -name '*' is superfluous |
| 06:29.24 | ansgar | And find -exec rm {} + (not ;) often saves one from using xargs. |
| 06:29.26 | simonrvn | find MyFolder -type f -print0 -delete |
| 06:29.48 | dondelelcaro | find foo -type f -delete; or find foo -type f -print0|xargs -0 rm -f; |
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| 06:31.20 | simonrvn | er, superfluous -print0 with the -delete \o/ |
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| 06:51.37 | Piratero | Hello everyone! |
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| 06:58.08 | FluxD | Debian weekly squeeze not done for this week ? |
| 07:00.10 | newsense | squeeze is frozen, they still doing dailys ? |
| 07:00.43 | newsense | err weeklys |
| 07:01.15 | dondelelcaro | newsense: yes |
| 07:01.37 | newsense | ok |
| 07:02.04 | ohih0wru | does anyone know of a program for sshfs mapping with gui? |
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| 07:05.28 | Suit_Of_Sables | can anyone suggest a command line based mpd client with customizable media library view? I enjoyed how in foorbar you could change the view drastically based on the files metadata |
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| 07:16.51 | dserban | I'm venturing in tiled window managers and loving the console/terminal. I'm wondering what you guys use in text mode for a mail client? there are quite a few different options, I'm coming from Icedove land... |
| 07:17.24 | simonrvn | mutt <-> tb/icedove |
| 07:18.02 | dserban | simonrvn: oh yeah? Cool. Alpine turned me off when what I recognized as nano popped up :/ |
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| 07:20.23 | dserban | simonrvn: do I need to add mail filtering capabilities to it or do they already exist in mutt? |
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| 07:21.57 | simonrvn | external for the most part. i use my cyrus' sieve stuff ;). |
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| 07:24.19 | dserban | simonrvn: thanks for the recommendation |
| 07:24.29 | cydork | dserban, also there is sup. Which is easy to start with.. but I found bit slow for my taste.. |
| 07:25.47 | dserban | cydork: what do you mean by slow, performance or kludgy interface? |
| 07:27.24 | cydork | dserban, performance wise.. |
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| 07:31.31 | dserban | cydork: k, looks like mutt may be the answer, I'm pwning myself with all these changes. wmii, irssi, mutt, no gvim (means I have to actually learn all the keybinds after 14 + years) :) |
| 07:32.03 | nevyn | so you know why it's called mutt right? |
| 07:32.31 | nevyn | traditional unix clients are named for tree's balsa, pine, elm etc. and what does a mutt do to a tree? |
| 07:33.00 | unkmar | dserban: I've used mutt. I'm not sure what the current name of pine is. I really liked it. |
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| 07:34.13 | sedstapler | can I cancel a RAID1 rebuild, reboot and rebuild while the raid is being used? |
| 07:34.27 | sedstapler | (rebuilding in a rescue system right now) |
| 07:35.41 | Suit_Of_Sables | dserban: I'm also interested in what you found for a console mail client |
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| 07:36.16 | unkmar | dserban: if you like the console. you'll like screen. |
| 07:36.34 | flaarg | if you use a terminal you should use screen |
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| 07:37.05 | unkmar | heh, if you use ssh then you should use screen. |
| 07:37.58 | brick | java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: mixer not found <- is there anything packaged that will resolve this? |
| 07:38.18 | peterrooney | screen is so essential when using ssh. only happened a few times that I've found myself in a screen within a screen |
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| 07:39.52 | flaarg | I run irssi in a screen on one machine and then I have screen running on another with ssh running to the other machine |
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| 07:41.39 | easyfit | screen is useless! I spit on screen! |
| 07:42.07 | easyfit | sorry, just felt like saying something controversial :) |
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| 07:45.29 | peterrooney | controversy is pointless! I spit on controversies! |
| 07:46.35 | peterrooney | wonders about the guarantee on this asbestos tuxedo |
| 07:46.39 | easyfit | lol yeah you're getting the point |
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| 07:51.04 | sauvin | prefers nomex |
| 07:51.45 | dserban | sorry I was afk, nevyn no I didn't know what mutt was for :P but that's funny. |
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| 07:52.22 | dserban | unkmar: alpine is the new one I believe, which is mostly a different license, and thrown out to the open source community to maintain. |
| 07:53.08 | dserban | unkmar: I'm using tmux right now, quite the change, but I believe I'm moving to it for good. Seems more complete to me. I've used screen for ages :) |
| 07:55.13 | dserban | ooh! and I recently discovered the absolute sexy of w3m, wow this stuff is good, it'll force me to actually code :P |
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| 07:56.30 | NoCode | Is there anyway to fix nm-applet in Gnome? I tried to follow previous instruction, but the conf file was not in the directory. |
| 07:56.32 | dserban | And with all of that, I've gone to a triple head setup, should make for some excellent log watching capabilities. I've considered going to 6 screens seeing that they're available but.. I'll think about it, seems like _too_ much to watch. |
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| 07:58.16 | xiaclo | nocode: what is the problem with it? |
| 07:58.17 | brick | dserban, what do you use w3m for other than web browsing? |
| 07:58.24 | easyfit | tmux seems interesting... although the key bindings seems to be made for space alien fingers... |
| 07:59.07 | NoCode | xiaclo, "device not managed" |
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| 07:59.31 | xiaclo | nocode: and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf doesn't exist? |
| 08:00.08 | NoCode | Yes |
| 08:00.19 | NoCode | It was different than the tutorial I was following |
| 08:00.40 | xiaclo | does the folder exist? |
| 08:01.31 | easyfit | I realize my mistake in handling and conclude that the key bindings are indeed made for humans, carry on |
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| 08:02.11 | NoCode | Allow me to grab the tutorial I was following before. I just set the option to true, the icon changed, but still "device not managed" |
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| 08:03.01 | xiaclo | nocode: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart' |
| 08:04.17 | D4rKr0W | hello #debian, does someone know if rsyslog restarting daily is a standard thing? |
| 08:04.17 | NoCode | That worked. :) |
| 08:04.23 | NoCode | Thanks a lot. |
| 08:04.34 | fiacha | Hi quick question... a san device got resized online but it doesn't show up (using lenny). I used 'blockdev -v --rereadpt /dev/sdc' but no luck yet (sdc is not the boot device). I could restart right now but i would like to know how to do this ONLINE ;-) |
| 08:04.40 | D4rKr0W | once a day i get the following message: server rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="3.18.6" x-pid="3000" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] restart |
| 08:04.48 | NoCode | xiaclo, Much appreciated. |
| 08:04.54 | xiaclo | no problem |
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| 08:05.58 | simonrvn | D4rKr0W: yes |
| 08:06.02 | dserban | brick: I use it for looking at local html docs, the problem with elinks is its interfce. Nothing much else though, I think it's pretty sweet. |
| 08:06.02 | ptripath | fiacha, rescannin the scsi bus should show up the changes |
| 08:06.20 | D4rKr0W | simonrvn: so i don't have to worry about that, do i |
| 08:06.25 | fiacha | i mean it still show sup as having the same size.. also used scsi bus rescan script... but i think that only works if i remove and readd the device.. i don't consider that 'online' though.... |
| 08:06.53 | dserban | easyfit: hah :), they're the same except for the escape sequence. |
| 08:06.53 | xiaclo | fiacha: you try a 'blockdev -v --getsz /dev/sdc' ? |
| 08:07.16 | dserban | I ordered a unicomp keyboard with the linux layout, I'm going hardcore. |
| 08:07.27 | simonrvn | no. it's normal. |
| 08:07.32 | dserban | Oh, and with blank keys. |
| 08:07.40 | NoCode | One more question, and I swear I won't ask anymore tonight. :D |
| 08:07.41 | brick | dserban, that's cool, sounds like a good use case |
| 08:07.56 | fiacha | xiaclo: yes: 251658240 ... how many bytes is that??? |
| 08:07.57 | NoCode | Is there anyway to install Nautilus Elementary in Squeeze? |
| 08:08.58 | dserban | All of this happened because I was forced to install a windows 2008 server ... Last time I saw windows was windows 2000 server as a favour... needless to say, I think Windows made me hate the GUI |
| 08:09.23 | xiaclo | fiacha: its 512byte sectors ... so about 120GB |
| 08:09.32 | fiacha | xiaclo: ye that is the old size :( |
| 08:09.32 | dserban | So I'm rebelling, I guess you could call it a linux mid-life crisis |
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| 08:10.44 | dserban | and now I'm trying to find a decent trackball to go back to... mice are for gaming |
| 08:11.02 | dserban | looks like logitech got lame over the years. I miss my three button trackman marble. |
| 08:11.17 | unkmar | dserban: use a laptop glidepoint. It won't take long to miss the mouse. but.... |
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| 08:11.30 | unkmar | My hands last much longer not moving that rat around. |
| 08:11.34 | dserban | unkmar: hah rough. |
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| 08:11.56 | dserban | unkmar: I recommend a trackball, I use them at home, I've never figured out why I've never bothered to get one for the office. |
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| 08:12.20 | D4rKr0W | does anyone remember how apt-get dist-upgrade is translated to for aptitude? |
| 08:12.33 | rww | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 08:12.33 | D4rKr0W | is it aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 08:12.40 | D4rKr0W | thanks rww |
| 08:12.41 | dserban | D4rKr0W: aptitude dist-upgrade|full-upgrade |
| 08:12.42 | rww | though dist-upgrade works too, it just whines |
| 08:12.58 | D4rKr0W | dist-upgrade wasn't working for me at all, weird |
| 08:13.11 | unkmar | typing doesn't hurt. trackballs are uncomfortable and LOTS of mousing about starts cramp my right hand. |
| 08:13.32 | unkmar | I've never used a trackball long enough to know if it hurts. |
| 08:14.21 | fiacha | xiaclo: did you ever actually do an onlince resize and detection? I'm asking becuase it seem other people are also having problems, see http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-08/msg12882.html ... but that might have been with an older kernel? |
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| 08:15.05 | dserban | unkmar: they're all different though, that's the part I find confusing. Some trackballs are designed for your whole hand, some for your thumb, some for your index and middle fingers. I prefer the thumb ones. |
| 08:15.05 | xiaclo | fiacha: nope, not at all, just trying to be helpful =) ... on that thought though, I found this, maybe it's helpful, http://communities.vmware.com/thread/202949 |
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| 08:15.28 | dserban | unkmar: and I've never experienced fatigue with a trackball, I have with a mouse though. |
| 08:15.55 | project2501a | where is that damn guide on how to create a bootable usb drive to do a netinstall from? |
| 08:16.43 | unkmar | project2501a: good question. uM... it does depend. I assume since you speaketh here that you refer to a debian based net install. |
| 08:17.11 | project2501a | ofcourse |
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| 08:17.34 | project2501a | unkmar: i am not that desperate to default to ubuntu |
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| 08:18.01 | unkmar | project2501a: lol |
| 08:18.16 | fiacha | xiaclo: thanks for the link, i think i have seen this on my search before too.. what scared me was "use fdisk to resize the partition by deleting the existing partion and creating a new, larger partition at the same starting cylinder"... can you do that online? |
| 08:18.19 | xiaclo | project2501a: try this, should give you a starting point http://www.electron.me.uk/blog/index.php?/archives/9-HOWTO-Create-a-Debian-netinst-USB-Pendrive.html |
| 08:19.07 | xiaclo | fiacha: yes you can, fdisk will cache the changes, and when you rescan the scsi device, it will pull the partition table from the disk |
| 08:19.14 | project2501a | xiaclo: ta mate |
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| 08:20.07 | fiacha | xiaclo: well i did rescan it now several times though (i think) and something like fdisk -l still shows the old size... shouln'd it be the new size by now? |
| 08:21.26 | xiaclo | fiacha: fdisk -l should find the new size right away, did you write the new partition table? |
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| 08:21.44 | djura-san | morning \o_ |
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| 08:26.48 | xiaclo | fiacha: maybe this will help, this is the error given off by fdisk when modifying live disks "The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)" |
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| 08:31.37 | xiaclo | fiacha: seemed to work with a flash drive, although partprobe still wouldn't update the kernel with the partitions mounted, even read-only, you probably have to unmount them briefly if possible |
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| 08:42.49 | project2501a | so in parted the trick is to mkpart primary ext3 1 -1 |
| 08:42.55 | project2501a | where -1 denotes the last sector |
| 08:42.57 | project2501a | right |
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| 08:55.25 | nordin | hello debian users. A stupid question, how can I update a particular package? So I keep having the latest version of the package. |
| 08:55.28 | NotInternat | howdy all. i have a sun sunfirev210 that im trying to install debian 5 on.. when i do the guided partition, the guided paritioning keeps failing with "faiuled to parition the selected disk. This probably happened because there are too many (primary) paritions in the parition table.. however since im doing guided there should only be two |
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| 08:56.57 | project2501a | NotInternat: i have to say, i have never used the guided partition. why do you not try to use the manual one? |
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| 08:57.51 | streuner | nording: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:57.58 | NotInternat | yeah i wasnt sure what i needed to do for /boot |
| 08:58.02 | streuner | nordin: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:58.15 | fiacha | xiaclo: thanks for your help and testing it! yea i thought so... without unmounting it i probably can't get it resized... |
| 08:58.52 | nordin | streuner: can you please explain me what that means? |
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| 08:59.45 | streuner | nordin: it shows us what kind of version libc6 you are using? |
| 09:00.05 | nordin | ok |
| 09:00.06 | rww | apt-cache policy is your friend |
| 09:00.13 | NotInternat | thats interesting.. by makinga 100mb boot parition, i lose 25gig of available space |
| 09:02.09 | xiaclo | not internet: how big is your hard drive? |
| 09:02.15 | NotInternat | 73gig |
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| 09:03.26 | xiaclo | notinternet: and it should be 100GB? |
| 09:04.08 | NotInternat | no.. hdd is 73gig, 100mb boot partition, and then apparently all thats left to partition is 45gig |
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| 09:12.21 | nordin | ok guys, does apt-get update ONLY update the source.list or does it also update the package literally? |
| 09:12.49 | rww | it doesn't update any packages |
| 09:13.04 | utrrrongeeb | nordin: it also doesn't change the sources.list |
| 09:13.29 | the-dude | something gets pwnd with a yum update /o |
| 09:13.33 | nordin | ok, it updates the database for changes |
| 09:14.01 | utrrrongeeb | Sounds right... I'm not that familiar with it. |
| 09:14.26 | nordin | but if there is an update for a package, how can I update it, by performing: apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:14.33 | xiaclo | yes |
| 09:14.46 | xiaclo | well ... apt-get upgrade <package name> |
| 09:14.56 | nordin | aaah ok, thank you! |
| 09:15.17 | nordin | xiaclo: you freed me from frustrations :) |
| 09:15.56 | rww | apt-get upgrade is for upgrading all packages; apt-get install <package name> will upgrade only the specified package (and satisfy version-specific dependencies) |
| 09:16.35 | nordin | rww, isn't that confusing? |
| 09:16.48 | nordin | rww, thnx |
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| 09:29.34 | b_jonas | hello. is there a way I can find out when some version of a package was added to debian squeeze and what version was in it before that? |
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| 09:31.44 | the-dude | b_jonas: check packages.debian.org |
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| 09:32.52 | b_jonas | the-dude: I did look there, I can look at packages currently in a release, but I don't know how to get history |
| 09:33.25 | the-dude | b_jonas: which package? |
| 09:33.47 | b_jonas | the-dude: I want to know when iceweasel was upgraded from 3.0.* to 3.5.* |
| 09:34.01 | b_jonas | in squeeze |
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| 09:34.28 | Shadowcat | you could always check your install logs |
| 09:34.35 | Shadowcat | I'm pretty sure apt keeps a record somewhere |
| 09:34.50 | b_jonas | ah, I see: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 09:35.00 | the-dude | b_jonas: did you read "news"? |
| 09:35.22 | b_jonas | Shadowcat: yes, apt keeps a record of when _I_ installed it, but that can be much later than when it actually becomes available |
| 09:35.40 | the-dude | b_jonas: or check changelogs |
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| 09:35.52 | b_jonas | the-dude: yes, it's in the news on that "Developer information" page |
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| 09:37.01 | b_jonas | it says it changed in 2009-12-07 |
| 09:37.07 | b_jonas | thanks for the help |
| 09:37.28 | b_jonas | what I don't understand is how I manage to have 3.0 on a squeeze installation that I made just a month ago |
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| 09:40.57 | bint | if i do adduser, a new user will be createt |
| 09:41.07 | bint | and if i do useradd its just a login? |
| 09:41.16 | bint | so a new user can't login before i did useradd? |
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| 09:42.46 | Janni | Hello. |
| 09:42.53 | poisonbit | bint, useradd has many options you can define manualy |
| 09:43.03 | poisonbit | bint, adduser is like a wrapper with some defaults |
| 09:43.09 | bint | ahh ok |
| 09:45.31 | Janni | Can you help me out? I have decided to downgrade from testing to stable, since I'm quite content with the features and the functionality that is presently there in testing, but I dread some of testing's instabilities. But I'd like the downgrade to be gradually, basically just by waiting until stable's packages catch up with my current configuration. |
| 09:45.56 | Janni | I could just use APT pinning, that works great, UNLESS... |
| 09:46.06 | Janni | you want to install new packages. |
| 09:47.02 | Janni | So, currently I have stable packages pinned to 666 and testing to 333, which implements exactly the desired behaviour. |
| 09:47.56 | Janni | But when I want to install a new package, it will have many dependencies to other testing packages. |
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| 09:48.27 | Janni | And these cannot be resolved without updating most of my testing packages again, which means stable would never catch up. |
| 09:49.15 | Janni | So, I tried removing testing from /etc/apt/sources.list, but by that all testing packages vanish, meaning that I can't install these packages anymore. |
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| 09:49.49 | the-dude | downgrading isn't supported |
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| 09:50.00 | Janni | Also installing the stable version of the package does not help, because more recent versions of the dependent packages are currently installed. |
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| 09:50.27 | erore | I am confused with piping, it seems pretty simple but there seems to be a catch, why this does not work? : grep -lr "alpha" /my/path/ | grep "beta" |
| 09:50.46 | Janni | I think think things would work out just fine, if I could keep testing in sources.list but prevent the testing packages from being updated. |
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| 09:51.38 | Janni | So, to make this long story short: Can I keep an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list and not have it upgraded? |
| 09:51.49 | Janni | s/upgraded/updated? |
| 09:53.07 | the-dude | Janni: I think there is a apt/aptitude option called preferred/default release or something like that |
| 09:54.01 | Janni | erore: Do you want to match "beta" inside the files or as a part of the file names? |
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| 09:55.21 | Janni | the-dude: Thanks, but I don't think such an option would help. |
| 09:56.07 | Janni | It's not the selection of the release that is the problem (that is solved by pinning), but the updating of the release that is not the preferred one. |
| 09:57.44 | erore | Janni: I want to match beta inside the file, the final output should be the line with beta but only in those files where I can find alpha... |
| 09:59.00 | Janni | erore: Then look at the output of "grep -lr "alpha" /my/path/. It only contains filenames, which is what the second grep will try to match "beta" on. |
| 09:59.50 | erore | Janni: so the second grep takes the lines as text to parse not path, right? |
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| 10:00.37 | Janni | Yes, it matches directly on what comes in via stdin |
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| 10:01.25 | Janni | So you probably need a bit more of scripting.... |
| 10:01.31 | utrrrongeeb | erore: I can't test that at the moment, but I think so. So unless grep has an option to read paths from stdin, you can try $ grep -lr "alpha" /my/path/ | xargs grep "beta" |
| 10:02.14 | Janni | Or: grep -l a * | while read i; do grep -l b "$i"; done |
| 10:02.36 | utrrrongeeb | erore: I haven't tested $ grep "beta" $(ls -lr /my/path/ | grep "alpha") either. |
| 10:02.38 | xiaclo | erore: you're not doing *quite* what you want ... that will list all files which have alpha in them, and then only list the filenames that have beta in them, not search the file contents |
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| 10:03.12 | sivang | hi all |
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| 10:03.27 | sivang | have ye any stunnel experience anybody? :) |
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| 10:03.38 | chrismat | Is there any way to apt pin 64-bit packages? |
| 10:03.59 | chrismat | I would like to apt-get install 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit userland |
| 10:04.02 | Janni | sivang: Bad experience, yes :-) |
| 10:04.25 | sivang | Janni: right :) |
| 10:04.31 | D4rKr0W | i'm searching for an email backup solution, i read a recent thread on debian-user where they suggested the use of fetchmail, has anyone had experience with that software? |
| 10:04.46 | sivang | Janni: and stil? I''ve seem to have created all certs correctly and still the server denies the connection |
| 10:04.57 | sivang | Janni: even though I set "verify=0" at the server side |
| 10:05.05 | Janni | sivang: I can't really help you, sorry. |
| 10:05.07 | petemc | D4rKr0W: if you have access to the filesystem just back up the maildirs or mboxes as you would other files |
| 10:05.36 | erore | THANKS GUYS! |
| 10:05.39 | jelly | D4rKr0W: fetchmail is a generic tool to download messages from your pop3 or imap account. What kind of access to your mail do you have? |
| 10:05.50 | D4rKr0W | petemc: unfortunately we're running gmail apps on that particular domain so i don't have access to the mail server myself |
| 10:06.16 | D4rKr0W | i have a dedicated box that could download the mails daily and save them in some kind of archive |
| 10:06.17 | petemc | imapsync then |
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| 10:06.30 | jelly | D4rKr0W: that implies IMAP access and multiple folders. Consider using something like offlineimap or imapsync |
| 10:06.50 | D4rKr0W | but i'm unsure on what kind of software i would need and how i would be able to read the archives once they're backed up |
| 10:07.23 | petemc | run a local imap daemon like dovecot and store them in maildirs |
| 10:07.24 | jelly | D4rKr0W: both tools store the data in common mailbox formats, like Maildir |
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| 10:08.11 | D4rKr0W | i see, i'll have to get up to speed on that, i'm not that familiar with mail software serverside |
| 10:08.23 | D4rKr0W | thunderbird has been able to do everything i needed clientside :P |
| 10:08.59 | D4rKr0W | thanks for the suggestions on imapsync and offlineimap |
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| 10:12.36 | D4rKr0W | i know already it's gonna be a mess with gmail's not standard imap :( |
| 10:13.21 | jelly | why do you think it's not standards compliant? |
| 10:13.42 | D4rKr0W | i remember reading about it somewhere |
| 10:13.56 | sivang | if anybody has any experience with making stunnel to work, please let me know. |
| 10:14.18 | D4rKr0W | can't really tell myself since i've always used gui clients i knew that were compatible |
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| 10:15.10 | D4rKr0W | plus the author of imapsync seems to state that his software is not efficient on backing up gmail accounts |
| 10:15.34 | tuv | what's the advantage of imapsync over fetchmail/getmail ? |
| 10:15.41 | babilen | D4rKr0W: getmail works fine with Gmail accounts |
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| 10:16.31 | D4rKr0W | seems like there's a lot of software i can choose between, i'm getting confused :D |
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| 10:18.08 | babilen | D4rKr0W: I personally prefer getmail over fetchmail and found it a good way to download mail. You can download mails from Gmail via POP3 and IMAP. If you are interested I could paste a .getmailrc template for Gmail. |
| 10:18.36 | D4rKr0W | thanks, that could certainly help me firgure this issue out |
| 10:18.42 | cantido | D4rKr0W: I think it's pretty standard IMAP.. it just has weird virtual folders that would probably confuse any backup tool |
| 10:19.32 | D4rKr0W | cantido: the main thing i'm worried about is the high amount of mails i need to back up, which would be duplicated or triplicated among the gmail folders/labels |
| 10:19.35 | babilen | D4rKr0W: Ugh, have to go. Just try setting up a SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever for gmail and use procmail as destination to have your mails sorted according to your procmail rules. |
| 10:20.32 | D4rKr0W | babilen: i'd use the software just as mail backup solution, i dont think i need the procmail part to be honest |
| 10:21.15 | D4rKr0W | offlineimap seems to have a feature to restore the whole mailbox on another imap server, that could really be nice |
| 10:21.43 | bint | how can i change to sda2 when i'm logged in via console |
| 10:23.03 | cantido | D4rKr0W: kmail has offineimap.. nice when it works, pain in the arse when it gets all out of sync |
| 10:23.32 | D4rKr0W | cantido: can i run it via ssh on a remote host? |
| 10:24.06 | D4rKr0W | seems like a kde program from the name, i'd be more interested in a cli software |
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| 10:25.48 | hidensoft | hi every body |
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| 10:26.45 | hidensoft | im new in debian , i have debian 5.04 stable , How to upgrade a Debian system from stable to testing (or to unstable)? |
| 10:27.44 | D4rKr0W | you need to add the correct repositories in your sources.list and define a target release, i guess that should suffice, even though ive never done it myself |
| 10:28.26 | bint | whats the name of the normal desktop of debian |
| 10:28.38 | poisonbit | hidensoft, I coulld add: a) do a restorable backup |
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| 10:31.40 | poisonbit | bint, depends on the installer media |
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| 10:31.52 | poisonbit | the default "desktop" selection for cd1 is gnome |
| 10:33.23 | poisonbit | bint, you can go with tasksel --task-packages desktop |
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| 10:34.22 | poisonbit | desktop-base Suggests: gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker |
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| 10:35.27 | poisonbit | mmm I don't see where gnome comes as dependency of the desktop selection of tasksel... it's a suggest |
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| 10:36.27 | poisonbit | bint, anyway, the default is gnome, but there are installer isos for kde or xfce as default |
| 10:37.10 | pht | when i am making a package, in the conffiles file can i use a wildcard, like '/opt/mypkg/conf/*' ? |
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| 10:37.34 | pht | (i can't figure that out from the policy manual) |
| 10:38.43 | poisonbit | pht I think it's posible, but no quotes |
| 10:38.48 | poisonbit | /opt/mypkg/conf/* |
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| 10:39.44 | Vutral_ | hello |
| 10:39.46 | Vutral_ | i wonder |
| 10:39.53 | Vutral_ | i loaded the hifn kernel module |
| 10:40.01 | Vutral_ | and it caused a panic because of via-rhine network driver |
| 10:40.28 | Vutral_ | i am unsure if it will be solved by unloading geode-aes only or if i need to pass some parameter to via-rhine module |
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| 10:42.29 | poisonbit | Vutral_, I don't have hifn on my lenny, but via_rhine has a debug parm: debug:VIA Rhine debug level (0-7) (int) maybe that can add some info to your issue, but I don't know really |
| 10:42.51 | Vutral_ | hum |
| 10:43.16 | Vutral_ | well there is a rx_dma_copybreak parameter |
| 10:43.21 | Vutral_ | it looks like its related to my error |
| 10:43.27 | Vutral_ | but i have no docs about it |
| 10:43.52 | poisonbit | the docs should be in the -doc poackage of your kernel |
| 10:44.12 | Vutral_ | there are no special docs on via rhine |
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| 10:46.51 | poisonbit | rx_dma_copybreak has a int value... I don't know if it is about memory allocation, limits or what... if there are no docs, we have two choices |
| 10:47.01 | poisonbit | a) the source b) test/error/successs |
| 10:47.42 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 11:11.49 | pht | poisonbit, no it doesn't work |
| 11:12.09 | pht | conffile .../* does not appear in package |
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| 11:38.05 | poisonbit | pht I don't know about packaging... just some hugly trys at home and rebuilds... but If wildcard does not wrok... then maybe puting only the parent path ? if don't just put all the files one by one |
| 11:39.30 | babilen | !tell pht -about mentors |
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| 12:00.23 | cusco | hi |
| 12:00.42 | cusco | I installed chromium-browser ... where is the preferences menu? |
| 12:01.45 | babilen | cusco: It's on the right side -- but ask #chromium :) |
| 12:02.13 | cusco | I don't have any menus... |
| 12:03.24 | cusco | ahw.. wrench! |
| 12:03.24 | babilen | click the wrench ... but really ask #chromium |
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| 12:08.52 | reber | hi all. Is it still possible with xorg to have a scrolling virtual screen (when the mouse hits the border of the screen it scrolls like the old school way) ? |
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| 12:10.46 | grondilu | Hi. I'm using debian on a laptop with a belgium keyboard. For some reasons Blender works better with a us keyboard. How could I config X to use us keyboard only for this app. ? I could do "setxkbmap us && blender && setxkbmap be" but it seems quite dirty. Any idea ? |
| 12:11.44 | cantido | grondilu: LANG=en_US blender |
| 12:12.01 | cantido | grondilu: actually, no that won't work |
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| 12:12.46 | grondilu | indeed, that doesn't change the keyboard. |
| 12:12.55 | cantido | grondilu: you might be able to use some like ibus |
| 12:13.24 | cantido | grondilu: I use it to switch different input methods, but I think you can also switch keyboard layout on the fly and that it can be application specific |
| 12:13.46 | grondilu | is running apt-cache search ibus |
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| 12:14.29 | pm2 | Hi - I had a user that accidentally deleted all of her stored email. So I copied over each file from a backup of her maildir/cur directory into the production maildir/cur directory, but dovecot doesn't seem to be delivering these emails. I deleted the index files in her directory. Is the something else I need to do to make dovecot "see" these restored emails? |
| 12:14.39 | pm2 | I'm using dovecot on debian stable |
| 12:15.25 | Vutral_ | mhm |
| 12:15.51 | cantido | grondilu: your DE might have a layout switcher applet too |
| 12:15.59 | cantido | grondilu: KDE does, Gnome probably does |
| 12:16.44 | abrotman | pm2: you might have more luck asking #dovecot |
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| 12:16.56 | grondilu | I'm using awesome. I also tried some time ago under Gnome. Blender doesn't switch. It keeps the keyboard it's been given on startup. |
| 12:16.58 | abrotman | pm2: and possibly giving the user a stern talking to :) |
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| 12:17.22 | grondilu | (well if I remember well...) |
| 12:17.24 | pm2 | abrotman, That I did.... "what exactly did you THINK the DELETE button would do?!" |
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| 12:19.03 | cantido | grondilu: the keymap before starting blender? |
| 12:19.36 | grondilu | yeah |
| 12:20.29 | CaT[t2] | pm2: i thought someone typoed DELITE. ;) |
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| 12:24.38 | cantido | grondilu: X probably can't do switching on the fly on it's own. The servers for input methods take over that job for X,.. I can't find where you can switch the keymap in ibus, but I'm sure scim could do it on the fly |
| 12:24.54 | twopak | "sudo -u dev -i top" gives the following error: "/usr/bin/top: /usr/bin/top: cannot execute binary file" -- what's wrong? |
| 12:26.12 | grondilu | what I don't understand is that with "setxkbmap" I can change the keyboard for about any app (or at least X terminals), but not for blender. |
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| 12:27.10 | grondilu | but nevermind, I'll stick to using setxkbmap manually. |
| 12:27.15 | cantido | grondilu: maybe it's parsing the keymap when it starts and then uses the keycodes it parsed |
| 12:27.40 | grondilu | maybe. |
| 12:27.45 | grondilu | thks anyway. |
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| 12:37.39 | niklaswe | does someone know where i can find librtmp for debian lenny? |
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| 12:41.24 | amphi | niklaswe: try using apt-file |
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| 12:45.05 | niklaswe | amphi: okey ty |
| 12:46.02 | amphi | â« |
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| 12:51.29 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:51.49 | gypsymauro | there is a version of debian that runs in ram? something like puppylinux? |
| 12:52.36 | BlackFate | gypsymauro, debian live --> google it |
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| 12:53.26 | dakylla | hi |
| 12:53.47 | dakylla | i have a problem with a file a can't delete / move (access) |
| 12:53.58 | gypsymauro | BlackFate: uhm it works in RAM? for what I can understand puppylinux loads the entire system on RAM and makes puppylinux very fast even on old hardware |
| 12:54.06 | D4rKr0W | i just received an additional RIPE allocated IP address for my dedicated box, but the KB article on how i should set it up in my hosting company is in german only, does anyone know what the procedure should be to deploy the ip? |
| 12:54.08 | dakylla | i want to delete this file. how can i do this plz |
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| 12:54.26 | dakylla | here what i see when listing the directory : |
| 12:54.36 | D4rKr0W | dakylla: sudo rm filename |
| 12:54.39 | dakylla | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? dovecot-uidlist |
| 12:54.51 | dakylla | D4rKr0W: it's more complicated than that :) |
| 12:55.13 | D4rKr0W | chmod 777 first? :P |
| 12:55.15 | dakylla | cat dovecot-uidlist ---> cat: dovecot-uidlist: Input/output error |
| 12:55.24 | dakylla | i can't access the file |
| 12:55.32 | dakylla | and my filesystem check is fine |
| 12:55.36 | D4rKr0W | weird |
| 12:55.45 | dakylla | yes |
| 12:55.46 | abrotman | dakylla: quotes? |
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| 12:56.03 | abrotman | dakylla: oh, the filename is dovecot-uidlist? |
| 12:56.07 | abrotman | the file appears to be damaged |
| 12:56.36 | dakylla | abrotman: unbelievable, is worked !!! |
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| 12:56.41 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:56.50 | dakylla | rm "dovecot-uidlist" |
| 12:56.57 | dakylla | strange anyway |
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| 12:59.32 | xkpe | hello |
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| 13:02.20 | xkpe | i tryed to install a .deb with dpkg but i something wrong and now i cant remove it, and it says dependencies are missing, and i cant install the dependencies either |
| 13:02.29 | xkpe | is there a way to fore its removal? |
| 13:02.45 | xkpe | or reinstall it correctly |
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| 13:03.02 | abrotman | xkpe: aptitude -f install |
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| 13:05.47 | xkpe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:05.47 | xkpe | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 13:06.15 | xkpe | aptitude tryed to remove the package that is broken and gave this error |
| 13:08.11 | cantido | xkpe: can you paste all of the output somewhere? |
| 13:08.47 | m3lvin | Hello, I'm havin some problems upgrading, aptitude tells me there is an update on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 for about a week but it won't upgrade and gives this error http://debian.pastebin.com/ng9j6VBV |
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| 13:10.27 | babilen | m3lvin: I think the problem is "No space left on device" -- check that you have enough space left on your devices |
| 13:10.37 | cantido | m3lvin: / is full |
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| 13:10.49 | dakylla | abrotman: THX ;) |
| 13:11.00 | dakylla | i got to go |
| 13:11.04 | dakylla | bye |
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| 13:12.38 | xkpe | cantido, http://pastebin.com/uEe41Apc |
| 13:13.18 | m3lvin | babilen: there's 62MB according to df available in /, |
| 13:13.42 | D4rKr0W | m3lvin: do some cleaning? deborphan helps |
| 13:14.12 | babilen | m3lvin: Obviously not enough -- You might want to delete some of the downloaded packages. Check aptitude's manpage for "clean" and "autoclean" |
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| 13:14.37 | cantido | xkpe: that package is only in testing/unstable.. are you running testing/unstable? |
| 13:15.15 | xkpe | cantido, no, is there a way i can remove the package that has missing dependencies? |
| 13:16.07 | babilen | m3lvin: Or allocate more space for (i think) /tmp |
| 13:17.26 | m3lvin | babilen: thanks, I will allocate more space |
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| 13:18.21 | cantido | xkpe: what does dpkg -r googlecl say about it? |
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| 13:19.05 | abrotman | he'll probably have to --force-reinstreq |
| 13:19.19 | abrotman | but i have a sneaking suspicion he should be asking #ubuntu |
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| 13:20.12 | cantido | this is what happens if you google <something>.deb and install the top result |
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| 13:20.54 | xkpe | cantido, http://pastebin.com/6zMZh1Wi |
| 13:21.32 | cantido | xkpe: yeah, try --force-reinstreq as abrotman suggested |
| 13:21.36 | abrotman | xkpe: what is the filename of the package oyu're trying to install ? |
| 13:21.40 | abrotman | or that |
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| 13:23.07 | xkpe | abrotman, ist this package googlecl_0.9.10-1_all.deb |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | xkpe: that package isn't in debian .. where did you get it from? |
| 13:23.38 | abrotman | xkpe: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 13:23.54 | xkpe | the googlecl project website |
| 13:24.16 | xkpe | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | i doubt that package would work in lenny .. you can backport it from squeeze if you really need it |
| 13:24.51 | xkpe | i'd rather just remove it for now |
| 13:25.00 | abrotman | did you try the --force-reinstreq ? |
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| 13:26.12 | xkpe | it says unknow option |
| 13:26.18 | xkpe | i might be doing it wrong |
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| 13:26.47 | xkpe | should i do dpkg --force-reinstreq -r googlecl |
| 13:26.49 | xkpe | ? |
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| 13:28.06 | xkpe | dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `reinstreq' |
| 13:28.06 | dpkg | xkpe: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:29.53 | xkpe | dpkg, my irc client is on windows, is that relevant? |
| 13:29.54 | dpkg | xkpe: okay |
| 13:29.55 | abrotman | xkpe: man dpkg .. i may have misremembered |
| 13:30.02 | abrotman | xkpe: dpkg is a bot |
| 13:30.06 | xkpe | oh :p |
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| 13:31.00 | abrotman | --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 13:31.01 | xkpe | abrotman, you mean remove-reinstreq? |
| 13:32.03 | xkpe | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/zdrgm7m9 |
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| 13:33.26 | abrotman | xkpe: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/googlecl.postinst .. on the second line, but an 'exit' |
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| 13:37.54 | xkpe | abrotman, now it only gives 1 error, http://pastebin.com/gy5zZ0Xm |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | xkpe: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/googlecl.prerm .. on the second line, but an 'exit' |
| 13:38.35 | abrotman | basically, you're going to short-circuit the scripts taht are run when it is installed/removed |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | they'll never run, never give errors |
| 13:38.42 | xkpe | yea i figured it out after opasting here sry :P |
| 13:39.55 | xkpe | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:40.20 | cire | how do I change a character inside a large file by commandline? (at a special position) |
| 13:40.32 | cire | s/special/certain/ |
| 13:40.40 | abrotman | cire: just one instance of it? |
| 13:40.45 | cire | yes |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | do you know exactly where it is? |
| 13:41.01 | cire | e.g. I have a file with "AAAAA" and want to get "AABAA" |
| 13:41.33 | cire | by replace(file, pos, char), eg replace(file, 2, "B"). |
| 13:41.46 | cire | yes |
| 13:41.48 | HTT-Bird | cire, sed or awk |
| 13:42.00 | cire | it is a large file |
| 13:42.05 | cire | 1GB |
| 13:42.13 | cire | Is it really neccessary to stream it? |
| 13:42.15 | abrotman | cire: but it appears more than once? |
| 13:42.20 | cire | the file? |
| 13:42.25 | cire | sorry if I missunderstand you |
| 13:42.39 | HTT-Bird | cire, that matters not...:) |
| 13:42.39 | cire | I have ONE large file, and want to replace a single char in it. |
| 13:43.08 | HTT-Bird | http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html |
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| 13:43.45 | abrotman | cire: how many times does that string appear? |
| 13:44.26 | cire | abrotman: it is a file consisting from input of /dev/zero. I want to make a small change in it for testing purposes. |
| 13:44.32 | sanderj | what is an kernel install package? |
| 13:45.02 | abrotman | sanderj: a metapackage? |
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| 13:45.24 | abrotman | cire: you could ask #sed, but i'm not sure of an easy way |
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| 13:45.41 | cire | abrotman: does c provide a function for that? |
| 13:45.46 | cire | (not an c expert) |
| 13:46.00 | cire | or any script language? |
| 13:46.03 | sanderj | abrotman, talking about a module which resides inside the staging tree of the kernel source code: It can either be self-compiled or installed via a kernel install package |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | possibly, i'm sure it owuld let you seek to a certain area |
| 13:46.14 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:46.15 | abrotman | !kp |
| 13:46.15 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 13:46.16 | abrotman | that ? |
| 13:46.46 | HTT-Bird | cire, s/\x00/<replacement>/<location> |
| 13:46.56 | sanderj | abrotman, Yeah.. thats it. |
| 13:47.05 | HTT-Bird | where <replacement> is what you want to put in and <location> is where it should go |
| 13:47.28 | cire | HTT-Bird: that was for sed? |
| 13:47.32 | HTT-Bird | cire, yep |
| 13:47.34 | HTT-Bird | that's with sed |
| 13:47.34 | cire | okay |
| 13:47.38 | cire | I will do it that way |
| 13:48.09 | cire | thank you HTT-Bird and abrotman |
| 13:48.22 | HTT-Bird | np :) |
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| 13:55.52 | jasondavies | anyone else getting http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtgui4_4.6.3-1+b1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch? |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | try another mirror |
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| 13:57.15 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 13:57.50 | johnfg | Any caveats with using the newer evolution version on lenny through backports? |
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| 14:00.49 | gnat_x | i'm runing squeeze. i ran an upgrade yesterday which pulled in linux 2.6.32-5-amd64. when i try to boot using that kernel, it has trouble finding my encrypted root partition, and just keeps spinning, even after some screen dumping, and being prompting me for the password. 2.6.32-3-amd64 does not have this issue. |
| 14:02.30 | HTT-Bird | gnat_x, maybe the initramfs for the 2.6.32-5 kernel is wrong? |
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| 14:03.43 | HTT-Bird | also, I noticed that apt got bumped to 0.8.0, but that's not being pulled down by safe-upgrade...should I do a full-upgrade at this point to pull it in, or should I hold off on that? |
| 14:04.04 | gnat_x | i should note my drive config, which is raid1 /boot unecrypted. and the rest is raid1 -> luks encryption -> lvm |
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| 14:04.36 | gnat_x | HTT-Bird: that's a good place to start looking. |
| 14:05.02 | cire | is rsync effective in transfering large files with small changes? (in my case KVM disk images for backup purposes). I mean how many percent of the file really gets tranferred? |
| 14:05.27 | cire | Or do you know a good solution for backing up KVM disk images? |
| 14:05.40 | cire | (over small bandwidth lines) |
| 14:06.05 | jargon- | odd. didn't avidemux used to be in the repos? |
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| 14:12.42 | Nastya | Hi everyone! |
| 14:12.51 | nitrogoldfish | hi |
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| 14:13.34 | sylar | is there an OCR program that works? |
| 14:14.02 | Nastya | I'm using Ubuntu as my laptop system. Should I replace it with Debian for better stability? |
| 14:14.20 | petemc | sylar: gocr |
| 14:14.33 | nitrogoldfish | Nastya: personally, i use debian on servers where i want performance and ubuntu on a laptop where i want a shiny interface and good hardware support |
| 14:14.39 | sylar | petemc, I am trying it, it doesn't like my tiff |
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| 14:15.14 | petemc | sylar: it worked for me a few years back |
| 14:15.21 | newsense | anyone got any ideas why wpasupplicant would not connect to a wlan or rarely connect but if i use iwconfig to set channel key and ssid it connects instantly ? |
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| 14:15.44 | Nastya | nitrogoldfish: thank you! So. As I got Ubuntu has better HW support and Debian is more stable. Am I right? |
| 14:15.45 | nitrogoldfish | Nastya: although it's all personal preference. debian is usually pretty stable, but if you're installing it on a laptop you're likely to run into wifi issues or things like that. has ubuntu been problematically unstable for you? |
| 14:16.58 | Nastya | nitrogoldfish: Nope Ubuntu is pretty clear for me. Or I can solve all my questions with Google. |
| 14:17.44 | Nastya | *or at least |
| 14:18.09 | project2501a | hey guys, I have been trying to create a stick where i can install from |
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| 14:18.20 | project2501a | i followed this guide http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick but no banana |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | Nastya: only you can really answer that question for yourself .. it would require some testing on your part |
| 14:18.47 | abrotman | Nastya: personally, i use Debian on workstations/laptops/servers |
| 14:18.47 | project2501a | the computer used to be able to recon the usb stick. now it does not. |
| 14:18.56 | Nastya | abrotman: thank you. I'll try Debian |
| 14:19.04 | abrotman | !tell project2501a about usb install |
| 14:19.08 | cockroach | i have a weird problem: on a laptop with an intel ipw2100 chip I can't seem to connect to my wireless network (wpa2) - authentication seems to fail (latest squeeze) - any idea, anyone? |
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| 14:19.16 | stew | project2501a: doesn't recognize it at all? or just won't boot from it? |
| 14:19.30 | stew | project2501a: or what do you mean by "recon"? |
| 14:19.49 | project2501a | stew: yeah it does not recognize it at all. |
| 14:20.18 | project2501a | after i did some fidgeting cat'ing /usrl/lib/mbr to the device. |
| 14:20.19 | project2501a | hmmm |
| 14:20.26 | project2501a | i could have screwed the mbr, yes. |
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| 14:22.11 | project2501a | yes! i screwed up the mbr. install-mbr worked just fine. now to rtfm like abrotman said |
| 14:22.29 | stew | project2501a: is the partition table still valid? |
| 14:22.53 | project2501a | how do i tell if it is? |
| 14:23.25 | stew | does "fdisk -l /dev/wehatever" look sane? |
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| 14:24.56 | project2501a | stew: no |
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| 14:25.05 | project2501a | it says there are no partitions in there |
| 14:25.19 | stew | project2501a: did you originally create a partition? or put data right on the device? |
| 14:25.26 | stew | project2501a: what does "file -s /dev/whatever" say? |
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| 14:26.08 | dagni | hi |
| 14:26.11 | diabel | So there will be no option between etch and sid? |
| 14:26.12 | diabel | Hi |
| 14:26.14 | dagni | how do i install .deb package |
| 14:26.41 | the-dude | dagni: dpkg -i packagename |
| 14:26.55 | stew | dagni: what do you mean? lenny was released last year as etch's successor. squeeze will be released soonish as lenny's successor |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | diabel: option to do what? |
| 14:27.08 | project2501a | stew: let me paste on pastebin |
| 14:27.09 | stew | dagni: not you |
| 14:27.18 | dagni | stew: i know :p |
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| 14:28.42 | project2501a | stew: i just realized i am flying on the 9th! |
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| 14:28.56 | project2501a | tomorrow! thank for the help, i am going to pack! |
| 14:29.00 | project2501a | chomwitt: kooooooooot kot kot kot kot |
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| 14:31.41 | nitrogoldfish | any bind wizards in the house? i'm getting log messages like this: "unexpected RCODE (NOTIMP) resolving '[URL]/AAAA/IN': [ip address]#53" |
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| 14:34.01 | babilen | nitrogoldfish: #bind is the wizard cave |
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| 14:34.50 | nitrogoldfish | #bind9 was empty, client wouldn't let me join #bind : ( |
| 14:35.26 | RCP | nitrogoldfish idk but tey reading this intill http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2008-12/msg00329.html |
| 14:35.39 | RCP | try* |
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| 14:37.14 | ciupicri | how can I find out which package provides a file? |
| 14:37.28 | nitrogoldfish | RCP: thanks. looks like my server just doesn't play nice with ipv6 |
| 14:38.02 | Grey_Loki | ciupicri: would apt-cache search do what you're looking for? |
| 14:38.27 | ciupicri | Grey_Loki, I have no idea; I have want to install the package that has mount.cifs |
| 14:38.40 | ciupicri | s/have want/just want/ |
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| 14:40.11 | nitrogoldfish | ciupicri: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/findfile.htm recommends installing the package apt-file |
| 14:40.29 | stew | ciupicri: "dpkg -S filename" if the package is installed, "apt-file search filename" if not |
| 14:40.37 | stew | ciupicri: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 14:41.05 | ciupicri | nitrogoldfish, stew : thanks |
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| 14:44.54 | egsome | What is the best tool that creates .deb packages ? |
| 14:45.11 | tarzeau | egsome: debuild? |
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| 14:45.28 | tarzeau | egsome: or a consultant that you pay |
| 14:45.48 | cusco | !tell egsome about new-maint-guide |
| 14:46.00 | HTT-Bird | nitrogoldfish, what did your client tell you when you tried to join #bind? |
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| 14:46.21 | nitrogoldfish | pidgin, but i'm pretty sure it was a PEBKAC situation |
| 14:47.04 | HTT-Bird | nitrogoldfish, I take it you're in #bind now? :) |
| 14:47.09 | egsome | cusco, Thanks, would read it somehow now |
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| 14:47.58 | nitrogoldfish | HTT-Bird: nope. problem is just that my server doesn't like ipv6 requests, which i don't care about in this environment anyway |
| 14:48.26 | nitrogoldfish | RCP figured that one out for me |
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| 14:55.11 | daffidity | hi. I am currently using debian testing and I cannot get my microphone to work. my laptop is a toshiba satellite pro l300-290. help pretty please? |
| 14:56.15 | jpinx-eeepc | use stable until you know what you're doing ? :) |
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| 14:56.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell daffidity about alsa checklist |
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| 14:57.05 | Petaris | Hello all |
| 14:57.26 | johnfg | I'm trying to get vpn setup. I'm not quite understanding the chap-secrets file. |
| 14:57.29 | project2501a | stew: sudden case of panic, apparently i am not flying tomorrow, care to continue? |
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| 14:57.59 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: ! Did you get your image onto the stick? |
| 14:58.03 | project2501a | johnfg: vpn server or vpn client |
| 14:58.05 | project2501a | jpinx-eeepc: no :( |
| 14:58.14 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: how can you fail? |
| 14:58.17 | daffidity | jpinx-eeepc : sigh. my sounds works fine. I have the microphone levels up, it just does not record anything |
| 14:58.31 | project2501a | jpinx-eeepc: dunno, man. the usb stick thing has always been a fail with me. |
| 14:58.56 | project2501a | daffidity: alsa mixer, switch monitor devices |
| 14:59.05 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: did you do a fdisk -l to see where the stick is? |
| 14:59.15 | project2501a | yeah i did |
| 14:59.23 | project2501a | apparently the partition table is farked |
| 14:59.28 | project2501a | on the stick |
| 14:59.35 | johnfg | project2501a, server on lenny. |
| 14:59.40 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: doesn't matter |
| 14:59.53 | project2501a | "Device contains neither a valid dos partition table, blah blah blah" |
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| 15:00.00 | project2501a | johnfg: openvpn? |
| 15:00.05 | johnfg | Just not sure how the client side gives the secret that I assign. |
| 15:00.20 | project2501a | it stores it in a file |
| 15:00.29 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: listen carefully - you dd to *whole* device - not a partition on it |
| 15:00.37 | project2501a | jpinx-eeepc: yeah i know. i did that |
| 15:01.08 | jpinx-eeepc | project2501a: knackered stick? |
| 15:01.15 | project2501a | no, it still works |
| 15:01.17 | johnfg | project2501a, Whatever the standard vpn is on lenny is what I installed. |
| 15:01.26 | project2501a | johnfg: go find what it is. |
| 15:01.28 | project2501a | it mtters. |
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| 15:03.01 | johnfg | project2501a, pptpd. |
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| 15:04.21 | johnfg | project2501a, Did that answer the question? |
| 15:04.30 | project2501a | johnfg: yeah, looking |
| 15:05.14 | project2501a | johnfg: give me 20 mins, i'll get back to you |
| 15:05.32 | johnfg | Ok, project2501a thanks! |
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| 15:06.23 | zeus | Hi all!! |
| 15:06.38 | nitrogoldfish | hi |
| 15:06.54 | zeus | Last week I was here asking for someone to package the latest version of matrix ssl for debian, well two persons suggest me to make the package myself and look for a mentor |
| 15:07.02 | zeus | where can I look for a mentor to upload the package ? |
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| 15:08.29 | jordanm | zeus: sounds like you still need to read the new maintainers guide |
| 15:08.34 | jordanm | !tell zeus about nmg |
| 15:08.51 | jordanm | zeus: faily certain it covers -mentors and how sponsership is gained |
| 15:09.18 | zeus | jordanm: I've read it lots of times, but just the part to create and maintain package, this it's my first time trying to put a package in debian because I need it |
| 15:09.49 | zeus | so in the new maintainers guid I should find that info, that's good, maybe I'll find something else that can be useful |
| 15:09.57 | jordanm | zeus: have a look through the debian-mentors archives, and subscribe to the list |
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| 15:11.33 | zeus | jordanm: thanks! |
| 15:11.47 | zeus | more list to read XD |
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| 15:20.14 | crazygir_ | hiya! so I just installed debian on a CF disk (for a rack server) and have a perplexing issue I'm hoping you folks might be able to assist with. The issue is that during the install, the CF device path (/dev/sd*) is seen differently than during/after boot.. I've edited menu.lst for grub and fstab, but this hasn't worked. My main question is: any suggestions on how to determine how this disk is seen during/after boot, without being able to boot the s |
| 15:20.46 | johnfg | From the cli how would I check that a port is open? |
| 15:20.57 | bimbo | crazygir: you could use UIDs for disk instead of absolute paths |
| 15:21.11 | johnfg | ping my.ip.addr:portnumber? |
| 15:21.19 | nitrogoldfish | johnfg: nmap |
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| 15:21.30 | bimbo | johnfg: or nc (netcat) |
| 15:22.08 | stew | crazygir: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 15:22.12 | johnfg | thanks! |
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| 15:27.54 | johnfg | bimbo, So, to check out port 1723 (vpn) on my server, I did nc <server name> 1723. But it didn't return anything and went back to prompt. |
| 15:28.45 | vlan7 | add a verbose option |
| 15:28.46 | bimbo | johnfg: nc -vvv IP PORT |
| 15:28.51 | bimbo | that should do it |
| 15:29.55 | johnfg | bimbo, Yup, and it returned open. |
| 15:30.01 | cire | I have problems changing group of /dev/net/tun via udev. It always remains to root. Do I have to do something special except adding GROUP="net-tun" to /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules ? |
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| 15:30.28 | cire | I also tried updating my initramfs and rebooting, but nothing worked. |
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| 15:31.42 | latenite | Hi flks, is there a wiki on how to setup vhosts on apache with debian lenny? |
| 15:31.43 | karlpinc | johnfg: or netstat -l (possibly with -t if you only want to look at tcp connections.) |
| 15:32.15 | karlpinc | latenite: I recall something in /usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian* |
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| 15:35.10 | latenite | anything on the web? |
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| 15:36.38 | s1kx | how can it be that I dont have a /etc/syslog.conf under lenny? |
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| 15:37.24 | Alam_Squeeze | s1kx: look for rsyslog.conf |
| 15:39.07 | s1kx | ty |
| 15:39.41 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: did you have any questions about vhosts in particular or are you looking for general information? |
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| 15:40.50 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, well I try to setup 3 domains on my localhost with dyndns but I can get it to work. |
| 15:41.07 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: #httpd might be a better place to ask about vhosts in general, in debian the only weird thing is that there are two directories: /etc/apache2/sites-available holds config for all your sites, then /etc/apache2/sites-enabled contains symlinks to the sites you want to actually use |
| 15:41.41 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: "it doesn't work" is a little vague. is dyndns giving you trouble, is apache erroring out, are vhosts getting mixed up (serving wrong site for wrong domain), permissions errors....? |
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| 15:44.27 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, well I have 2 site for now (phpinfo, kaipoeritz.dyndns.org) bot have different Document Root (var/www/phpinfo , /var/www/poeirtz.de) but I can not get to the phpinfo site |
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| 15:46.33 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: did you create a virutal host file in /etc/apache2/sites-available? |
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| 15:47.19 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: and is there a simlink to it at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
| 15:47.43 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: and have you restarted apache? |
| 15:47.45 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, http://pastie.org/1146054 sure and I enabled it with the a2ensite script |
| 15:47.51 | latenite | yes reloaded it |
| 15:47.51 | c3l | where can I find the dependencies for compiling dwm? I cant find it on the homepage or the manpage.. |
| 15:47.55 | c3l | sorry |
| 15:48.01 | c3l | wrong channel |
| 15:48.39 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: alright, sounds like ot |
| 15:48.49 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ot? |
| 15:48.59 | nitrogoldfish | *it's probably an apache configuration problem, i would recommend asking #httpd |
| 15:49.22 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ok I will thank you for your help :) |
| 15:49.25 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: i'm in that channel too, but helps to keep things organized : ) |
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| 15:54.24 | simonrvn | 'symlink', short for 'symbolic link' |
| 15:55.13 | bint | how long does it usually take on a singlecore cpu for a 200GB cryptmount dir? |
| 15:55.15 | bint | to create it |
| 15:55.18 | bint | anyone :)? |
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| 15:55.52 | cristi8 | hmm, i cannot play video files in vlc anymore, it says "main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'" .. anyone experienced something like that? |
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| 15:58.28 | cantido | bint: creation should be quick.. unless you need to encrypt 200GB of stuff to go in there, or need to gather 200GB of entropy to "noise up" the disk |
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| 16:00.00 | latenite | whats the modulename for php5 to work woth apache2? |
| 16:00.37 | nitrogoldfish | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:01.06 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 (found it with aptitude search php5 | grep apache) |
| 16:02.01 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, it alreaddy IS installed. do I have to aktivate it somehow? |
| 16:02.41 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: is php5 also installed? can you do an ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep php |
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| 16:03.30 | latenite | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Sep 8 16:17 php5.conf -> ../mods-available/php5.conf |
| 16:03.30 | latenite | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Sep 8 16:17 php5.load -> ../mods-available/php5.load |
| 16:04.21 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: ok. try sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload to make sure the module is actually loaded by apache |
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| 16:06.38 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, how do I check if its realy loaded? |
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| 16:07.18 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: there's probably a better way of doing this, but i just serve a page which contains <?php phpinfo() ?> and make sure that it gives me the expected info page |
| 16:07.40 | neurolysis | Hi -- is there some way that I can get some commands executed when I log on, preferably as my own user when X starts? |
| 16:07.57 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, thats what I did , too..and I only see the file no php is running |
| 16:08.37 | M`vy | there are files to do that neurolysis. Like .bash_profile when you start bash, but I do not remember which just now |
| 16:08.56 | M`vy | maybe .XSession? |
| 16:09.03 | crazygir | bimbo / stew any other options? I would prefer to keep this as a default install |
| 16:09.05 | M`vy | no guaranty :D |
| 16:09.11 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: might be a question for #php. ... it sounds like you're trying to get three different things working (apache, virtualhosts, and php) all at the same time, and running into trouble on each |
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| 16:09.26 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: i would strongly recommend working on one issue at a time and moving up |
| 16:09.59 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: try getting virtualhosts working to serve up static HTML pages, then once that is all squared away, try to get php fixed |
| 16:10.03 | neurolysis | M`vy: will look into it, thanks |
| 16:10.06 | tholl583xx | hi all |
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| 16:10.21 | crazygir | latenite: my advice, focus on apache, then vhosts, then php or php then vhosts |
| 16:10.27 | tholl583xx | one of our nfs partitions has shown up empty this morning |
| 16:10.40 | tholl583xx | first i though it had come unmounted, but it actually is empty |
| 16:11.04 | tholl583xx | munin shows it getting more and more space from some time this mornign, |
| 16:11.04 | peterrooney | neurolysis: usually, it's .xsession, though most window managers have GUI setups for launching programs |
| 16:11.05 | Gentoochild | hello people. I need a small nudge into the right direction. I can't connect to my laptop's pure-ftpd from within a VirtualBox guest. I get "I won't open a connection to x.x.x.x, only to 127.0.0.1" |
| 16:11.20 | neurolysis | peterrooney: can't find one with LXDE |
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| 16:11.31 | tholl583xx | is there any way to see what process is deleteing the files on the nfs clients? |
| 16:11.53 | peterrooney | neurolysis: well, it is lightweight ~_^ |
| 16:12.08 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ok vhosts first. I feel like I dont know WHAT to use for an URL the EITHER get to "/var/www/poeritz.de" OR "/var/www/phpinfo" how do I differenciate? |
| 16:13.22 | nitrogoldfish | when you want someone to get to your phpinfo site, what do you want them to type into the address bar? |
| 16:13.29 | neurolysis | peterrooney: ah! openbox has an autostart.sh! |
| 16:13.40 | neurolysis | excellent. |
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| 16:15.58 | helo | look out, it's WoodyWoodpecker! |
| 16:17.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | Hello helo, that's right |
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| 16:17.24 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, yes. My BIG mistake was to use IDENTICAL ServerName in both vhosts. |
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| 16:18.45 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: yes, that's what i meant when i said both of your virtual hosts have a serverName of www.kaipoeritz.dyndns.org |
| 16:18.55 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: do you understand how servernames should work now? |
| 16:19.41 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, theres are the URLs that the user types into the browser, right? |
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| 16:19.57 | nitrogoldfish | right |
| 16:20.38 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, do you have an idea how to make 3 or more webistes work with only THAT "kaipoeritz.dyndns.org" Servername? since I only have that one. |
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| 16:21.19 | bimbo | crazygir: if you want to check local open ports you can try with "netstat -l" as someone else suggested |
| 16:21.25 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: do you have control over your DNS? usually i set up vhosts for subdomains, like blog.mywebsite.com or shop.mywebsite.com |
| 16:21.25 | bimbo | that should be on a default installation |
| 16:22.04 | bimbo | crazygir: if it's for remote hosts then I don't know of a "default" tool that would do that, but netcat is what I would use |
| 16:22.09 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, what exactly do you meen by "control over DNS" ? |
| 16:22.40 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: can you create new A records in your DNS? |
| 16:22.47 | nitrogoldfish | or CNAMEs? |
| 16:23.04 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, what you said is what I want....my blog on "blog.kaipoeritz.dyndns.org" my phpinfo on "phpinfo.kaipoeritz.dyndns.org" ...an so on |
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| 16:23.34 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, sorry...what is a A record) *cry for being such a newbie |
| 16:24.20 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/record_types_supported_in_custom_dns_standard_interface.html is that what you ment? |
| 16:24.41 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: do some reading up on DNS. A records resolve a host name (like www.google.com) to an IP address |
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| 16:25.54 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ok so what I need i one ore moere new A record on my kaipoeritz.dyndns.org like arecordNo2.kaipoeritz.dyndns.org |
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| 16:26.20 | stuckey | hi all |
| 16:26.25 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: based off the link you just sent, your standard interface provides support for A records. you probably don't want to get into the expert interface, but that is what you want to do |
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| 16:26.58 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ok let me try to get a new A record |
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| 16:27.55 | stuckey | How do I take a pdf file, and remove page fourteen from it? |
| 16:28.42 | nitrogoldfish | stuckey: have you tried pdfedit? |
| 16:28.49 | nitrogoldfish | stuckey: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/open-source-linux-pdf-writer.html |
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| 16:29.59 | abrotman | stuckey google? you're joking right? |
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| 16:32.51 | ruben23 | how do i check for package that are installed on debian server |
| 16:33.24 | stuckey | abrotman: I never joke. |
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| 16:34.17 | nitrogoldfish | ruben23: dpkg --get-selections will show all installed packages. aptitude search [package name] will show you info on a specific package and whether or not it's installed |
| 16:34.46 | nitrogoldfish | ruben23: (if you use dpkg --get-selections, i recommend piping into grep to only return interesting results) |
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| 16:36.18 | crazygir | bimbo: I'm referring to a devine mapping question |
| 16:36.42 | crazygir | bimbo: CF disk is seen differently by the LiveCD and then the installed system |
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| 16:37.53 | bimbo | crazygir: ah sorry, well, using uuid is not supported by default but it's easily accomplished... |
| 16:38.12 | rozie | crazygir: what's your problem? |
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| 16:43.19 | bint | to unmount a harddrive simply: unmount /dev/sdaX ? |
| 16:43.49 | nitrogoldfish | bint: or sudo umount /path/to/mountpoint. either should work |
| 16:44.00 | bint | cool thx |
| 16:44.18 | nitrogoldfish | note: umount. not unmount. |
| 16:44.23 | bint | oh |
| 16:44.27 | bint | in both cases? |
| 16:44.33 | nitrogoldfish | yeah |
| 16:44.41 | bint | thx |
| 16:44.52 | bint | and does it matter where i mount a harddirve.. in mnt or any other dir? |
| 16:44.59 | nitrogoldfish | nope |
| 16:45.02 | bint | ok |
| 16:45.14 | bint | but usually drives are mounted in /mnt/ right' |
| 16:45.36 | nitrogoldfish | depends on the sysadmin and the distro. i think newest deb/ubuntu standards put mountpoints in /media |
| 16:45.46 | bint | ah ok |
| 16:46.08 | bint | do you know cryptmount? |
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| 16:46.28 | helo | cryptsetup? |
| 16:46.37 | bint | yes i did it.. |
| 16:46.52 | nitrogoldfish | i haven't used either...i use truecrypt for encrypted volumes |
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| 16:47.07 | bint | but i did create on on /dev/sda2 and i mounted sda2 in /xyz |
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| 16:47.23 | bint | now i want to unmount sda2 and mount it in another dir /mnt |
| 16:47.43 | bint | but i dont know if cryptmount will be able to read the keyfile then coz i told that its in /xyz/keyfile.key |
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| 16:50.59 | foetus | hello. |
| 16:51.33 | latenite | Hi, how do I make sure php5 module is loaded and running on apache2? |
| 16:51.53 | petemc | create a php info page |
| 16:52.11 | latenite | petemc, I did and I can only download it..it show not |
| 16:52.33 | foetus | ? |
| 16:52.33 | petemc | !php wants me to download still |
| 16:52.33 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 16:52.41 | bint | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 16:52.44 | bint | hhmm |
| 16:53.18 | crazygir | rozie: when using the live cd (such as during an install) the CF card I'm installing to is noted as living elsewhere in /dev/ than when I boot |
| 16:53.46 | crazygir | I have to update the boot params and fstab to match how the devices will be seen by the installed system, not the livecd |
| 16:54.01 | crazygir | it's a really frustrating chicken and the egg |
| 16:54.07 | crazygir | and using uuids is just more pain |
| 16:54.34 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: this might also be useful http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianPHP |
| 16:54.38 | foetus | no problem with apache2 under lenny, followed the instructions of dpkg. maybe it helps. |
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| 16:55.45 | rozie | crazygir: do you chroot? |
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| 16:56.28 | crazygir | rozie: when? (how do you mean, I'm not following you here) |
| 16:56.35 | rozie | uuids are good, but you need to use them everywhere |
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| 16:56.58 | crazygir | and I'd rather keep these installs out of the box/clean |
| 16:57.00 | rozie | crazygir: when you use liveCD, do you chroot? |
| 16:57.14 | crazygir | they're servers, I need to keep everything simple to redeploy |
| 16:57.15 | bint | hey somebody told me to get rid of that error i should remove modeprobe from my firewall script |
| 16:57.22 | bint | is this true and is this a high security risk' |
| 16:57.28 | crazygir | rozie: let me check |
| 16:57.43 | rozie | crazygir: do you setup them from debootstrap? |
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| 16:58.58 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, I did everything thats said on your links...still my php file is not shown. |
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| 17:00.27 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: try turning it upsidedown and shaking it like an etch-a-sketch. i haven't seen those links fail before, so if you're still having problems it's either beyond my ability or something is stuck in a cache somewhere |
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| 17:02.59 | bint | anyone knows how to access the firewall script? and wether its secure to remove the line modprobe from it? |
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| 17:03.25 | foetus | i have a question, proftpd related.. /etc/proftpd/tls.conf line 12 shows me 'TLSProtocol SSLv23', the webdocs are showing me 'TLSProtocol SSLv3 TLSv1' - i would prefer SSLv3 and TLS1 normally, but i'm not sure and i'd like to prevent an error.. |
| 17:03.39 | negge | guys I need your help. I just did an aptitude safe-upgrade as root and when configuring "base-files" dpkg fails with "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: Permission denied". How can this be? |
| 17:03.51 | negge | this is on a Debian stable installation |
| 17:05.12 | stew | negge: can you show us the output of "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.preinst" |
| 17:05.27 | negge | hold on, just did an apt-get clean in case the .deb was broken |
| 17:05.33 | negge | gonna try safe-upgrade again now |
| 17:06.14 | negge | stew: the output says "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 540 2010-06-19 01:17 /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.preinst" |
| 17:06.33 | negge | whoami returns root so I don't see how this could be a permission issue |
| 17:07.33 | stew | negge: execute "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.preinst" and see where it fails |
| 17:08.02 | negge | okay |
| 17:08.17 | negge | here's the full output of the preconfiguration process: http://pastebin.ca/1935858 |
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| 17:08.30 | stew | negge: root can get permission denied errors if it tries to write to non-writable files or create files in non-writable directories, for instance |
| 17:08.53 | negge | you just said it |
| 17:08.58 | negge | I've remounted /var as noexec |
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| 17:09.14 | negge | probably need to configure apt to remount it properly when upgrading |
| 17:09.17 | negge | totally slipped my mind |
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| 17:12.48 | foetus | do i make an error by using SSLv3 and TLSv1 with proftpd under lenny? |
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| 17:14.28 | negge | anyway, thanks for your help stew |
| 17:15.46 | foetus | i use it, can't wait any longer.. |
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| 17:18.58 | anAngel | Hello. How can i make tcpdump to start at boot time and run in the background? the tcpdump command im trying to run background is: tcpdump -vv -x -X -s 1500 'port 25' -n -i eth0 -C 2047 -w /home/tcpdump/tcpdump.eth0.pcap |
| 17:19.21 | crazygir | rozie: sorry for the delay there.. I'm not sure what debootstrap is |
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| 17:19.31 | crazygir | and no, we are not using the chroot |
| 17:19.35 | crazygir | should we? |
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| 17:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | reset |
| 17:22.22 | helo | wonders where anAngel was spamming... cross-posting? |
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| 17:22.51 | bint | anyone knows how to access the firewall script? and wether its secure to remove the line modprobe from it? |
| 17:23.11 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, I was stupid I had wrong filename handlers \.php$ in my .conf....works fine now :) |
| 17:23.12 | bint | i've got this error |
| 17:23.12 | bint | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 17:24.02 | foetus | latenite :) |
| 17:24.16 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: it happens. everything squared away then? |
| 17:24.37 | abrotman | bint: where did you get that kernel? |
| 17:24.51 | peterrooney | latenite: call it an organic parity error |
| 17:25.23 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, yes, all works fine now. I stll could not find out if dyndns.org offers CNAME though. I look s like it on that page: http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/record_types_supported_in_custom_dns_standard_interface.html#cnameanchor but I cant find it in my account |
| 17:26.08 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: well, you don't really need the CNAME record. just makes things a little cleaner if you plan on moving your site |
| 17:26.33 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: A records will get the job done, and it seems to be a simple enough setup to get away with it |
| 17:26.55 | foetus | **keep on going using SSLv3 with TLSv1.. and is a little bit wavering about..:) |
| 17:27.01 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, but id like to habe SOMENAME.kaipoertz.dyndns.org So can put my blog to a vhost with SOMENAME |
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| 17:27.28 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: check with your DNS server if you can create A records |
| 17:28.36 | djura-san | I have to report some weird bug in squeeze. I was using Mplayer last night to watch avi movie. TOday i got no sound even though my audio card is okay and i tried it in another live distro. alsamixer controls were high but there was no sound. In mplayer there is some volume meter but when i tried first time to volume upp there was no sound... I tried again a few mins ago and everything is okay :\ |
| 17:28.50 | djura-san | i guess that i have to use bugreport tool :) |
| 17:29.02 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, A records NEED a IP I only habe ONE ip on my DSL home internet that referres to kaipoeritz.dyndns.org. So a new A record will not be possible...is that right? |
| 17:29.22 | foetus | **is starting the test sequence and make a reboot |
| 17:29.28 | nitrogoldfish | it's ok to have two A records that point to the same IP. |
| 17:29.59 | rozie | crazygir: well, I don't know what you exactly want to achieve, but you can install Debian base system easily with debootstrap |
| 17:30.36 | rozie | then you can chroot (mounting /proc and /dev) |
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| 17:31.03 | exaboy | hey need some guideance on handling bounced emails. |
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| 17:31.31 | exaboy | is the best practice to have a folder and then have a client eith PHP or perl to connect to the pop and read them? |
| 17:31.33 | rozie | and you're inside newly installed system |
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| 17:31.46 | bint | [19:24] <abrotman> bint: where did you get that kernel? |
| 17:31.49 | bint | its ovh |
| 17:31.53 | bint | i rented this server |
| 17:32.40 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, sure that you can have (one.com AND two.com) pointing to ONE single ip? WHO/WHAT decides what is beeing called? |
| 17:32.42 | bint | and someone in the forum there postet (in french) that you have to remove modprobe from the firewall script |
| 17:32.48 | bint | and somebody answerd: thx, this worked |
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| 17:33.01 | bint | but i dont know how to access the firewall-script |
| 17:33.37 | helo | latenite: the web server receives the domain name from the user and serves the corresponding page |
| 17:33.39 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: i'm not sure i understand your question... DNS is simply a way to resolve hostnames (like foobar.com) to ip addresses. there's no rule that says two hostnames can't have the same IP...that's how virtualhosts work |
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| 17:35.18 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, ok i was confused, sorry. Still I cant fugure aout if dyndns,org offers more than one free A record |
| 17:36.50 | nitrogoldfish | latenite: good luck, feel free to ask any more debian questions |
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| 17:37.00 | ferret_0567 | hello |
| 17:37.06 | latenite | nitrogoldfish, thank you. |
| 17:37.20 | ferret_0567 | I am using Debian Squeeze and I am having some trouble configuring xorg |
| 17:37.32 | ferret_0567 | Every time I start xorg up, I get a black screen |
| 17:37.56 | ferret_0567 | I am using an Intel 82852GM/Intel 855GM graphics controller |
| 17:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | ferret_0567: Known bug, no fix or workaround available, revert to lenny. |
| 17:38.31 | ferret_0567 | jhutchins_lt: hmm...not even using lenny packages? |
| 17:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | ferret_0567: Mixed releases is a no-no. You'd have to replace all of Xorg. |
| 17:39.08 | ferret_0567 | ouch |
| 17:39.13 | ferret_0567 | ok... |
| 17:39.16 | ferret_0567 | I will do that then |
| 17:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | ferret_0567: Better to use lenny and update what you need through backports or ssb. |
| 17:39.27 | ferret_0567 | ok |
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| 17:42.29 | nitrogoldfish | when it comes to service monitoring systems is nagios pretty much the way to go? or are there other (better) alternatives? |
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| 17:46.59 | peterrooney | nitrogoldfish: there was bigbrother ~2004, don't know if it's still around |
| 17:48.28 | nitrogoldfish | peterrooney: looks shiny! ...and expensive |
| 17:50.10 | helo | Zenoss, OpenNMS (haven't used either) |
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| 17:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an app that will notify you of new mail on gmail? |
| 17:50.58 | zeus | peterrooney: big brothers really sucks XD |
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| 17:51.15 | zeus | nitrogoldfish: I think that nagios it's the best one since it doesn't incress the load of there server running nagios =) |
| 17:51.28 | poincare101 | Hello everyone. I have a really old PS1 controller (for a computer) that works over parralel, any games I can test it with? |
| 17:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | nitrogoldfish: There have been some spin-off's of nagios, but it's still the most actively used and developed, most main-stream, most likely to find help. |
| 17:51.51 | zeus | I tested zenoss about a year a go and it keep the load of the server in 1.5 even 2 sometimes, so I just left it, I use nagios and works pretty well for me |
| 17:51.59 | helo | ouch |
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| 17:52.38 | nitrogoldfish | alrighty then...i think i'll stick to nagios for now |
| 17:53.24 | crazygir | rozie: I'm installing via the livecd, and when rebooting, the disks aren't specified correctly, and so can't find the root fs |
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| 17:53.59 | crazygir | the main issue being that the two systems (livecd & new install) see the CF disk device path differently |
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| 18:00.14 | thewanderer1 | how can I use the system beeper for ALSA sound? |
| 18:00.56 | thewanderer1 | I'm too lazy to go fetch the speakers |
| 18:01.45 | cahoot | modprobe snd-pcsp? |
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| 18:03.02 | thewanderer1 | alright, what now? |
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| 18:03.52 | cahoot | alsamixer shows it? |
| 18:03.52 | thewanderer1 | how to select the sound card a program should use? |
| 18:03.55 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 18:04.36 | cahoot | as part of card0 or as a separate entity? |
| 18:05.14 | thewanderer1 | separate card |
| 18:06.03 | cahoot | hw:1 ? |
| 18:06.26 | thewanderer1 | called "pcsp" |
| 18:08.18 | cahoot | should be accessible as alsadevice plug:hw:1 |
| 18:08.33 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 18:08.44 | thewanderer1 | aplay seems to try to play a file, but in invalid format |
| 18:08.48 | cahoot | I don't get any audible output though |
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| 18:09.28 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 18:09.36 | thewanderer1 | all I get is some fast clicking noise... |
| 18:09.41 | thewanderer1 | what parameters should I give it? |
| 18:11.03 | AmberJ | How do I update to 5.0.6 a system orginally installed with 5.0.4? |
| 18:11.12 | cahoot | thewanderer1: no idea |
| 18:11.15 | AmberJ | I installed base system using minimal netinst |
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| 18:11.58 | thewanderer1 | AmberJ: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 18:12.26 | AmberJ | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 18:13.54 | newsense | than you need aptitude dist-upgrade after you edit your sources.list |
| 18:14.26 | newsense | oh wait nm |
| 18:14.29 | newsense | misread |
| 18:15.57 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 18:16.06 | thewanderer1 | so I needed to turn the volume up to 100% in alsamixer |
| 18:17.11 | thewanderer1 | I can now hear sound through the PC speaker... this is cool. I don't want the pc speaker sound module removed from kernel 2.6.35 on... |
| 18:17.26 | PadawanLearner | ahoy |
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| 18:20.50 | abrotman | newsense: might still need a full-upgrade |
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| 18:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | newsense: It's full-upgrade in lenny & later, not dist-upgrade. |
| 18:24.10 | newsense | really |
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| 18:24.21 | eptalon | heyas |
| 18:24.22 | thewanderer1 | how to set a default ALSA device? |
| 18:24.26 | newsense | thought full-upgrade was for fetching what safe didn't get |
| 18:24.40 | newsense | well now i know, thnaks |
| 18:24.45 | eptalon | is there a way to recover a HFS+ partition, with linux? |
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| 18:26.50 | nitrogoldfish | jhulst: you there/awake? |
| 18:27.13 | jhulst | nitrogoldfish: Hey, long time no talk. |
| 18:28.18 | nitrogoldfish | jhulst: i forgot you lived here. you still on aim? |
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| 18:31.29 | cahoot | thewanderer1: give the relevant module index 0 |
| 18:32.19 | thewanderer1 | how? |
| 18:32.26 | thewanderer1 | I can't write an .asoundrc |
| 18:32.27 | peterrooney | eptalon: most likely, debian has a powerpc port (though I've never had to recover a HFS+ partition myself) |
| 18:32.48 | jhutchins_lt | Wonder how long it takes rsync to copy 72G? |
| 18:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Why not? |
| 18:33.57 | jhutchins_lt | more than 10 minutes so far. |
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| 18:36.41 | peterrooney | jhutchins_lt: may be closely related to how long does it take cp to copy 72G, or how small the network tubes are |
| 18:37.13 | bint | i've got this error |
| 18:37.18 | bint | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 18:37.21 | eptalon | peterrooney: I am running on intel, and don't have a mac; I just "accidentally" wioped the partition table of an external (HFS+, used to be) formatted disk. |
| 18:37.32 | bint | somebody told me to remove something from the firewall script |
| 18:37.57 | bint | could this really be the reason of the error? |
| 18:38.05 | cahoot | thewanderer1: echo 'Options <module> index=0' >> /etc/modprobe.d/myalsaoptions.conf is one way |
| 18:38.32 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: it tells me syntax errors even though I'm typing this as: "pcm.!default front:pcsp" as described in ALSA wiki |
| 18:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: EOL? |
| 18:39.32 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: nano enters it automagically |
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| 18:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | I know that for editing format-critical files nano and pico are frequently warned against, but that's mostly because of automatic line wraps. |
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| 18:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: man asoundconf, see if the format's changed. |
| 18:41.16 | thewanderer1 | heh, you wish it existed |
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| 18:41.33 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: Yes, probably the same as cp since it's a first copy. |
| 18:41.48 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: No tubes have been used, this is sata disk-to-disk. |
| 18:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | Still running btw, 20min so far. |
| 18:42.55 | jhutchins_lt | Using 20-30% CPU. |
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| 18:46.05 | ebanders | Can someone suggest a way to trim an arbitrary number of bytes off the front of a file? |
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| 18:46.50 | ebanders | (without copying the file) |
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| 18:47.12 | peterrooney | eptalon: that's heartbreaking. there may be a solution, keep asking - IIRC, HFS and kin have a kernel module for partition types |
| 18:47.17 | ebanders | For example: trimming 512 bytes (the mbr) from start a disk image. |
| 18:48.03 | peterrooney | ebanders: dd might work |
| 18:48.51 | thewanderer1 | ebanders: that is not possible, you have to copy |
| 18:49.03 | thewanderer1 | as opposed to removing from the end |
| 18:49.03 | bint | enlève les lignes modeprobe de ton script firewall |
| 18:49.06 | unkmar | ebanders: at the very least you are asking to shift all the remaining bytes in the file left by # bytes. |
| 18:49.08 | bint | Merci, c'etait effectivement ça qui me donnait l'erreur |
| 18:49.20 | Argafal | I got a question regarding my wifi usb dongle. It i an Edimax EW7318-USg (hence uses the rt73usb driver). I also have firmware-ralink from nonfree installed. I can use this card on all channels up to and including 11, but not (i'm based in Europe) 12 and 13. How come, is the firmware package probably bound to cards being used in the US? |
| 18:49.22 | thewanderer1 | !fr |
| 18:49.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:49.54 | unkmar | First ove, bint said thanks. |
| 18:49.56 | xyan | ebanders: would be with sponge :) like dd if=file | sponge file |
| 18:50.05 | xyan | (sponge in moreutils) |
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| 18:50.26 | xyan | ebanders: of course you have to adjust the bs, count and seek args of dd |
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| 18:51.34 | thewanderer1 | this actually copies the file you know |
| 18:51.36 | unkmar | ebanders: is the issue limited drive space? or copy time? |
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| 18:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | copy's done, <30minutes. |
| 18:52.24 | ebanders | the issue is copy time. Trimming the file by a multiple of the inode size is fine. |
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| 18:53.07 | ebanders | I have a number disk images (80GB+) that I need to remove MBRs from. |
| 18:53.28 | thewanderer1 | how to make audacious use mono output instead of stereo> |
| 18:53.45 | unkmar | do you need to remove them, or could you get by with replacing them. zeroing out? |
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| 18:55.19 | thewanderer1 | ebanders: you should zero them |
| 18:55.22 | unkmar | if the issue was space, i would write my own program to shift all the bytes in the file by an offset and then truncate that offset. |
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| 18:55.53 | greedo | this seems a lost cause, but installing libuuid1 froze after an upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 18:56.02 | ebanders | Two separate applications really; (1) trimming some MBRs from images and (2) replacing an arbitrary byte sequence on the from of one file |
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| 18:57.21 | unkmar | ebanders: so you NEED (1) but not (2) ? and your complaint is *time* ? |
| 18:58.16 | unkmar | ebanders: I don't see anyway around copying ever byte of the file. Whether it be a separate copy or inplace shifting. |
| 18:58.31 | bint | [20:49] <unkmar> First ove, bint said thanks. |
| 18:58.34 | bint | i did paste in the wrong chan :) |
| 18:58.46 | unkmar | Cool |
| 18:59.02 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/Wb01Z99L |
| 18:59.03 | ebanders | I need both and time is an inconvenience. I could run it overnight, but like all things: there's probably something to learn here. |
| 18:59.05 | unkmar | bint: I know very little french, and I knew you spoke english. Seen you in here before. |
| 18:59.11 | bint | :) |
| 18:59.17 | bint | but i still dont know what to do with the error i've got |
| 18:59.33 | bint | i want to install cryptmount but it sais: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.51 | bint | its a rented box |
| 18:59.59 | bint | so i dont know how they built their kernel.. |
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| 19:00.08 | doomster | waves to the crowd. |
| 19:00.13 | bint | hi doomster |
| 19:00.45 | thewanderer1 | bint: they trimmed down your install. try "depmod -a" |
| 19:01.24 | doomster | I recently upgraded some CUPS-related packages and now my printer doesn't work. I can't claim this is exactly related (too much upgrades in between) but is there a way to find out when which packages was installed? |
| 19:01.53 | thewanderer1 | searc for it in /var/log - there are some apt/aptitude logs |
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| 19:02.25 | xoz | doomster: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:02.29 | xoz | doomster: ls -ltr |
| 19:02.34 | ebanders | xyan: sponge. funny :-) |
| 19:02.39 | xoz | doomster: ls -ltr *.list |
| 19:02.44 | doomster | thank you, thewanderer1 and xoz |
| 19:03.16 | bint | thx thewanderer1 i'll try it |
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| 19:03.53 | greedo | any ideas about libuuid1? |
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| 19:04.38 | bint | "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64: No such file or directory FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory" |
| 19:04.42 | ebanders | xyan: thanks for pointing out moreutils |
| 19:04.44 | bint | when i go for depmod -a |
| 19:05.13 | thewanderer1 | so they removed your modules or your kernel is module-less |
| 19:05.18 | thewanderer1 | probably the latter |
| 19:05.34 | anAngel | Hello. How can i make tcpdump to start at boot time and run in the background? the tcpdump command im trying to run background is: tcpdump -vv -x -X -s 1500 'port 25' -n -i eth0 -C 2047 -w /home/tcpdump/tcpdump.eth0.pcap |
| 19:05.35 | bint | so i have to install these modules first? |
| 19:05.36 | unkmar | I'll have to remember that set of options. -ltr. Nice tool. |
| 19:05.42 | thewanderer1 | bint: no |
| 19:05.51 | thewanderer1 | bint: it probably means that your kernel does not support modules |
| 19:05.55 | thewanderer1 | check that |
| 19:05.56 | bint | hmm |
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| 19:06.12 | thewanderer1 | modules are a security hole, after all |
| 19:06.13 | tomatto_ | hi |
| 19:06.16 | bint | ah ok |
| 19:06.29 | thewanderer1 | everyone is using them, but this one is not a Debian kernel |
| 19:06.38 | unkmar | anAngel: google for rc.local |
| 19:06.52 | bint | so what to do? i kinda wana have a secure box |
| 19:06.57 | bint | thats the reason why i want to use cryptmount.. |
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| 19:07.30 | bint | but i chose debian 5.0 stable when i rented the server.. why the hell isn't it a debian kernel? |
| 19:07.32 | thewanderer1 | ignore the errors and install on your own if you know the functionality you need is already loaded |
| 19:07.47 | thewanderer1 | because they gave you the Debian userland only |
| 19:07.51 | thewanderer1 | what is this, OpenVZ? |
| 19:08.01 | bint | what is OpenVZ? |
| 19:08.04 | bint | ISP? |
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| 19:08.45 | tomatto_ | please i installed openoffice and flashplugin from lenny-backports and when i want to install avidemux i got this output http://pastebin.com/kTxmJ2e3 what can i do with? |
| 19:09.09 | rubin110 | Would it be smarter to run a dhcp server stand alone, or along with dnsmasq? |
| 19:09.13 | xoz | bint: try lsmod |
| 19:09.23 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: depends. in 90% dnsmasq is enough. |
| 19:09.25 | xoz | bint: does it output something? |
| 19:09.34 | thewanderer1 | bint: no, a virtualization technology. have you rented a VPS or a dedicated server? |
| 19:09.42 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
| 19:10.38 | bint | its a dedicated server |
| 19:10.47 | rubin110 | Is there a quick and simple way to see which users can login through ssh? |
| 19:10.55 | thewanderer1 | so if you want a Debian kernel, install a Debian kernel |
| 19:11.14 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:11.23 | xoz | rubin110: /etc/passwd? |
| 19:11.32 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.41 | thewanderer1 | if you don't find any AllowUsers or AllowGroup stanzas in sshd_config, then everyone can do that |
| 19:11.50 | xoz | rubin110: if it has shell account in /etc/passwd |
| 19:11.53 | thewanderer1 | bint: then your kernel does not support modules |
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| 19:12.07 | bint | so i should go install debian kernel :)? |
| 19:12.16 | FluxD | Is there any difference between tcpd and tcp_wrappers ? |
| 19:12.31 | rubin110 | thewanderer1: Would it be a bad idea to create an AllowGroup and only include human users to that list? |
| 19:12.38 | rubin110 | For SSH access. |
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| 19:13.03 | thewanderer1 | bint: depends on what you want. you should be generally safe doing that... or perhaps workaround the issue on the current kernel by altering the cryptsetup scripts |
| 19:13.11 | tomatto_ | please ? |
| 19:13.25 | bint | hmm |
| 19:13.55 | bint | is it difficult to change to debian kernel? |
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| 19:18.59 | foetus | **using proftpd with debian default SSLv23 - mode strict, works |
| 19:19.27 | thewanderer1 | bint: rather not, it should work with Debian userland by default |
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| 19:19.33 | thewanderer1 | unless your host installs crippleware |
| 19:21.29 | foetus | was been irritated about filelist failure on the client, touched in a file, now he brings the listing - is working like charme..:) |
| 19:21.57 | xoz | suggest /me to foetus |
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| 19:22.28 | foetus | :-X |
| 19:22.53 | foetus | sorry |
| 19:23.17 | xoz | !qotd |
| 19:23.17 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 265 (2010-08-01). |
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| 19:25.00 | tomatto_ | please i installed openoffice and flashplugin from lenny-backports and when i want to install avidemux i got this output http://pastebin.com/kTxmJ2e3 what can i do with? |
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| 19:26.04 | bint | thewanderer1 so i could change that without wiping everything out? |
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| 19:27.54 | tomatto_ | please i installed openoffice and flashplugin from lenny-backports and when i want to install avidemux i got this output http://pastebin.com/kTxmJ2e3 what can i do with? |
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| 19:28.05 | thewanderer1 | bint: change the kernel? you could try that |
| 19:29.51 | rolandpish | hi, I'm creating a bash script in a Lenny server which needs to ask if a value doesn't end in a slash. This does not work: if [[ ! "$SOMEPATH" =~ .*/$ ]] What could be wrong? |
| 19:30.05 | abrotman | tomatto_: for starters, use aptitude |
| 19:30.13 | karlpinc | tomatto_: If you don't get an answer write away try again in a few hours. |
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| 19:30.24 | karlpinc | s/write/right |
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| 19:31.05 | xyan | rolandpish: escape the slash .*\/$ |
| 19:31.40 | tomatto_ | abrotman: i run aptitude too, but it printed conflict and he solved is as not install what i need |
| 19:31.50 | foetus | oh hell, 5.0.6 is out |
| 19:32.19 | karlpinc | tomatto_: Tell aptitude "no" and it will give you a different choice. |
| 19:33.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah. tell apt-get "yes" and it will abort thinking you said no... sometimes :P |
| 19:33.09 | bint | thewanderer1 i think its more secure to go without any modules as long as i dont really need em.. maybe there's another sofware similar to cryptmount running without modules |
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| 19:33.28 | thewanderer1 | bint: probably package setup scripts are just broken or so |
| 19:33.33 | tomatto_ | kermit: it is ordering same thing at all |
| 19:33.39 | foetus | time to do a jigdo.. |
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| 19:34.19 | rolandpish | xyan, you're a life saver! It worked. Thanks!! |
| 19:34.33 | abrotman | tomatto_: show us in a pastebin with aptitude |
| 19:34.36 | karlpinc | !tell bint about make-kpkg |
| 19:34.45 | tomatto_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/4AXpS408 |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | judd: versions avidemux |
| 19:35.18 | judd | avidemux -- etch-multimedia: 1:2.3.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 1:2.4.3-0.1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.5.3-0.3; squeeze-multimedia: 1:2.5.3-0.3 |
| 19:35.25 | doomster | gah. CUPS loses the fight against a full HD. I guess someone's gotta uninstall some trash... :( |
| 19:35.39 | foetus | sorry for the forgotten '/me' |
| 19:35.50 | foetus | :) |
| 19:36.00 | abrotman | tomatto_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and `apt-cache policy libc6 avidemux;uname -a` |
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| 19:37.51 | bint | so what do you think... i dont really need modules as i dont like security holes either.. but i want to use a cryptet part on my box.. - the only app i know is cryptmount which needs modules |
| 19:38.01 | bint | should i search for another app or just make-kpkg ? |
| 19:38.10 | foetus | plugs in the maxtor.. |
| 19:38.17 | thewanderer1 | oh crap, I'm getting a crippled video output when I run anything in GLX |
| 19:38.22 | tomatto_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/rnn6Rvwh and http://pastebin.com/VfA6GhAQ |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | tomatto_: you cannot mix lenny and squeeze |
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| 19:39.02 | abrotman | well .. you can't use squeeze's DMM on lenny |
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| 19:39.22 | abrotman | so change where it says 'squeeze' to say 'lenny' ,.. aptitude update && aptitude install avidemux |
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| 19:40.20 | karlpinc | bint: I don't see a big security hole in modules. If somebody can replace a module you've already been rooted anyway. |
| 19:40.44 | bint | ok |
| 19:41.02 | bint | i can't do man make-kppkg as the entries are missing on my server |
| 19:41.28 | bint | but if i go for it, i enter make-kpkg its moreless automatic? or do i need some more knowledge in what i'm exactly doing |
| 19:41.38 | bint | i kinda dont wanna screw the box the first day i rented it :P |
| 19:41.38 | karlpinc | bint: You probably need to install more packages. |
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| 19:42.18 | tomatto_ | abrotman: thank you very much...is squeeze older than lenny? |
| 19:42.27 | abrotman | no, newer .. mixing is bad |
| 19:42.30 | karlpinc | bint: If you've ever rebuilt a kernel it's easy. Otherwise you need to be able to navigate through all the kernel options to find the modules you want to turn off. |
| 19:43.02 | tomatto_ | abrotman: is better upgrade lenny to squeeze as dist-update? |
| 19:43.15 | bint | i've never built a kernel... |
| 19:43.20 | abrotman | tomatto_: you can .. still has some bugs though |
| 19:43.27 | karlpinc | bint: Start with the stock .config file you'll find in /boot for your kernel of interest. |
| 19:43.47 | tomatto_ | abrotman: why is better to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 19:43.51 | foetus | is making some investigations.. |
| 19:44.01 | thewanderer1 | bint, why are you compiling a kernel, actially? |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | !tell tomatto_ about why aptitude |
| 19:44.09 | bint | i'm not :D |
| 19:44.09 | karlpinc | bint: Not hard. The only way to know is to try. Just be sure not to replace the kernel you've got that already works -- don't give yours the same name. (I.e. RTFM.) |
| 19:44.23 | bint | yep :) |
| 19:44.35 | bint | but i think thats a bit to big.. just for beginning wth :) |
| 19:44.41 | bint | i'd rather go without cryptmount then |
| 19:44.50 | bint | and do it some other day when i'm a bit into linux already.. |
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| 19:45.52 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 19:46.02 | thewanderer1 | why do you need cryptmount on a dedicated server? |
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| 19:46.54 | thewanderer1 | unless you're encrypting loopback files that you send to yourself gzipped or on pendrives from the datacenter, there is no valid security-related reason |
| 19:47.47 | foetus | no network neighborhood, samba not started..f*** |
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| 19:48.54 | Gijs | hey all |
| 19:49.07 | Gijs | i want to change my installation language i just did: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 19:49.20 | Gijs | but now wich one i need to choose for default english? |
| 19:49.55 | bint | thewanderer1 not? |
| 19:50.09 | thewanderer1 | well, why do you think it makes you safer? |
| 19:50.10 | bint | if somebody gets into my box he wouldn't be able to get the cryptmounted files.. |
| 19:50.16 | thewanderer1 | yes, he would |
| 19:50.18 | bint | why? |
| 19:50.30 | thewanderer1 | they would run a rogue OS and copy your ssh private key |
| 19:50.34 | thewanderer1 | then wait till you type your password |
| 19:50.47 | thewanderer1 | and since the key is the same, SSH won't even give you a warning about that |
| 19:51.02 | jordanm | Gijs: en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:51.19 | bint | but they would have to do that.. so scriptkiddie hackers like 99% percent wouldn't be able to do that |
| 19:51.58 | thewanderer1 | nor break into the server room, so you do the math |
| 19:52.24 | bint | but a lot of em get root access |
| 19:52.35 | bint | so with root they'll see all my files.. but not the one cryptet in a container |
| 19:52.44 | bint | aslong the container isn't mounted they couldn't see |
| 19:53.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, as long as |
| 19:53.15 | thewanderer1 | that is the problem... |
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| 19:54.21 | bint | yep this is a problem.. but its safter to have a files in a cryptet part than not to have.. it think.. i mean i won't mount this every day |
| 19:54.31 | bint | just store some data in it, accessable when i need em |
| 19:54.44 | bint | and i won't need em every month |
| 19:55.02 | xyan | bint: check out encfs |
| 19:55.04 | helo | bint: does that data really need to be stored remotely if it is that important? |
| 19:55.17 | bint | its not important |
| 19:55.28 | bint | and yes.. i kinda dont want to have all datas at home |
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| 19:55.51 | bint | its not that i'm running some CIA dunno what shit :D i just like to have some datas on a moreless safe place and not only at home |
| 19:56.15 | stuckey | Does mozilla-noscript provide the 'noscript' for mozilla that people talk about or is that something else? |
| 19:56.18 | thewanderer1 | you know... |
| 19:56.27 | thewanderer1 | you should encrypt this at home and send it encrypted to the server |
| 19:56.47 | thewanderer1 | the server should not care about the contents |
| 19:57.05 | bint | hmm |
| 19:58.47 | thewanderer1 | unless you need incremental backups and hard links, that is (rsync-like) |
| 19:59.26 | thewanderer1 | but then I would recommend downloading an encrypted loopback fs, decyrpting locally, mounting it (it should contain ext3/ext4/whatever), commiting changes and sending it back |
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| 20:00.24 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have a problem |
| 20:00.26 | bint | hmm well i'll think bout it |
| 20:00.27 | helo | good ideas... |
| 20:00.38 | bint | so whats your problem? |
| 20:00.47 | thewanderer1 | when I run glxgears, the whole screen covers in gears... |
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| 20:01.11 | jelly-home | "don't do that then" |
| 20:01.12 | thewanderer1 | only some parts of them, though. there is an offset between stripes... |
| 20:01.13 | fas3r | hello |
| 20:01.15 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 20:01.20 | thewanderer1 | I need to run some glx apps... |
| 20:01.27 | karlpinc | I'm getting double confirm messages from all the mailman mailing lists I'm subscribing/unsubscribing from today. My smtp server is sending only one message but I get 2 different confirmation numbers back. I suppose the problem is not at my end, but.... |
| 20:01.55 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: use nonfree nvidia drivers. |
| 20:01.59 | fas3r | i try to change my keyboard in english but with set-language-env i dont english language, which packages i need to install ? |
| 20:02.11 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: intel graphics here, I doubt nvidia would help :P |
| 20:02.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: use hardware the supports nonfree nvidia drivers |
| 20:02.32 | thewanderer1 | (plus, suggesting me to install non-free stuff? that would be indecent :P ) |
| 20:02.37 | thewanderer1 | er. |
| 20:02.50 | thewanderer1 | it's not like I have hardware piling up here |
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| 20:02.58 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: do you want "decent", or do you want "run some glx apps"? |
| 20:03.16 | thewanderer1 | I want to run a glx app without breaking my display |
| 20:03.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: which glx apps are you after? |
| 20:03.57 | thewanderer1 | a game on wine, using opengl |
| 20:04.20 | jelly-home | which game? |
| 20:04.22 | thewanderer1 | but I started with glxgears to see why the former won't display anything |
| 20:04.26 | thewanderer1 | Earth 2150 |
| 20:04.39 | thewanderer1 | it works on my laptop on intel drivers |
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| 20:05.18 | jordanm | thewanderer1: what card and version of debian? |
| 20:05.25 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: glxinfo might be helpful |
| 20:05.32 | johnfg | Any vpn gurus here? |
| 20:06.11 | johnfg | Having trouble connecting the win xp pro vpn client to debian lenny. |
| 20:06.34 | thewanderer1 | laptop, works: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, Squeeze/Sid amd64; desktop, does not work: Intel Corporation 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC) (rev 02) |
| 20:06.42 | thewanderer1 | desktop runs squeeze i386 |
| 20:06.42 | jordanm | johnfg: openvpn or pptp? |
| 20:06.45 | Bushmills | win, probably pptp. join ##openvpn and enter: !pptp |
| 20:07.17 | johnfg | pptp |
| 20:07.54 | johnfg | Bushmills, OK, I'll try that group first. |
| 20:08.02 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I would recommend trying the intel driver and kernel from experimental |
| 20:08.24 | thewanderer1 | on the desktop? it's a 10-year-old machine, should that improve on my situation? |
| 20:08.26 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: 815 is less powerful than 945, it's not unusual the driver would miss some features |
| 20:08.43 | thewanderer1 | and the experimental kernel lacks the pc speaker alsa driver :( |
| 20:09.06 | johnfg | Bushmills, OK, !pptp gave back the info *not* to use pptp but openvpn. Is that your recommendation, too? |
| 20:09.23 | Bushmills | i'd second that |
| 20:09.27 | jordanm | thewanderer1: you can recompile alsa using module-assistant and alsa-source if needed |
| 20:09.30 | johnfg | And, I assume it's available for lenny? |
| 20:09.46 | jordanm | yes |
| 20:09.58 | thewanderer1 | well |
| 20:10.06 | Bushmills | if you can avoid using pptp and use openvpn instead, i'd say openvpn is the better choice |
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| 20:10.56 | thewanderer1 | Direct rendering: yes... it seems fine |
| 20:11.26 | johnfg | jordanm, Bushmills The reason I went with pptp was simply because google came back with a page in how to set it up for lenny. But I haven't got it working yet, so I'll try the openvpn. |
| 20:11.52 | jordanm | johnfg: openvpn isn't too difficult, and there is a GUI available for your windows client |
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| 20:12.25 | ZeuZ | Question, I've setup virtual users for proftpd. However, they can't write from their home directories, just read. |
| 20:12.29 | ZeuZ | What am I missing? |
| 20:12.30 | johnfg | jordanm, I'm gonna remove pptpd. Should I remove bcrelay, too? |
| 20:12.45 | ZeuZ | permissions for that directory are 755, owned by user ftp and group ftp |
| 20:13.10 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.38 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: do they have their own UIDs? |
| 20:14.03 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, yes, through ftpd.passwd and ftpd.group |
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| 20:14.20 | johnfg | karlpinc, I used synaptic pm, usually do use apt-get, but I don't think I installed bcrelay directly. Is it needed for something else? |
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| 20:14.40 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: then why do you expect the users to have the right to write into dirs owned by not them and having mode set to 755? |
| 20:15.03 | ZeuZ | Erhm I missed the mode though, I used 775 hehe.. |
| 20:15.27 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, what's the better solution in this case? give them the uid of a user that has the rights to write there? |
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| 20:15.59 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: if they should own the home directories, make it so that they do |
| 20:16.18 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, they're VIRTUAL users, not real users on my system |
| 20:16.22 | ZeuZ | can't chown them those |
| 20:16.38 | thewanderer1 | of course you can |
| 20:16.51 | thewanderer1 | chown -R 1000 homedir1/ |
| 20:16.58 | johnfg | Just install the openvpn package to start with? Not the network manager stuff? |
| 20:16.58 | thewanderer1 | numeric UID is also a user |
| 20:17.50 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, thanks, you're right. |
| 20:17.56 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, beers on me this saturday |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | beer!~ |
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| 20:19.25 | Bushmills | johnfg: in ##openvpn, enter: !howto |
| 20:19.41 | johnfg | Gotta run guys. Thanks for the help, will check back later. |
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| 20:21.50 | DotHack | hi ! |
| 20:22.07 | DotHack | i've had some really weird ext3 corruption..... it looks like someting wrong eith the wrtie cache |
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| 20:22.39 | DotHack | i've installed a new server with some new disks but i dont want this to happen again... is there something i can monitor? like disk flushes that dont succeed or something? |
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| 20:24.13 | thewanderer1 | DotHack: first, use a stable kernel... |
| 20:24.29 | DotHack | ive use the standard lenny kernel |
| 20:26.33 | bint | i had it 2 times now that i was in the command line via putty.. then i did an installation of an app or something and after all i was just there could write anything in the command line but i wasn't really somewhere |
| 20:26.39 | bint | like something hanged |
| 20:26.42 | bint | but CPU is 0% |
| 20:26.49 | bint | im just there can type what ever i want |
| 20:26.53 | bint | but nothing happens |
| 20:26.59 | bint | im not even root@something |
| 20:27.08 | bint | theres just an empty line where i could type |
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| 20:27.24 | DotHack | is it possible for the raid controller not to write the data but keep it in cache... i had this weird porblem of the server suddenly remount its fs in readonly due to aborted journal |
| 20:27.58 | DotHack | after fsck and reboot data seemed corrupted... scripts i've edited seemed to be an older (days) version... |
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| 20:28.31 | TheMechanic | afternoon |
| 20:28.44 | thewanderer1 | ok, so I'm seeing this when I run glxgears: http://tmp.rkaw.pl/files/medium/2010-09-08-222529_1280x1024_scrot.png |
| 20:29.26 | jordanm | thewanderer1: thats with the experimental drivers? |
| 20:30.19 | bint | what to do when i'm just hangin in putty.. can type whatever i want.. exit or anything - nothing happens |
| 20:30.20 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: no, squeeze |
| 20:30.28 | jordanm | thewanderer1: based on that, I would possibly say to file a bug report, but I know they will tell you to try experimental stuff |
| 20:30.34 | bint | it just writes exit in the command line.. but thats it |
| 20:30.48 | jordanm | bint: close putty and reconnect using a decent ssh client? |
| 20:31.00 | bint | whats a decent ssh client for windoof? |
| 20:31.06 | jordanm | no idea |
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| 20:31.11 | bint | u see :) |
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| 20:31.27 | jordanm | bint: no, you see your poor choice of desktop OS |
| 20:31.49 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: i'm running opengl on a 945GME, and glxgears looks ok. pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 20:31.50 | jordanm | I am not saying that is the problem, but still a poor choice :) |
| 20:32.04 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: no xorg.conf |
| 20:32.20 | thewanderer1 | bint: BitVise tunnellier |
| 20:32.24 | thewanderer1 | or sth like that |
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| 20:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | bint: It's possible you have a dead session that has not connected. If you dont' see the prompt, that's very likely. |
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| 20:34.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:34.29 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Putty has the option not to close the window when a session disconnects; that's what you'll see. |
| 20:35.04 | thewanderer1 | a firewall or a router in the middle is usually the guilty party when it comes to ssh timeout - this normally doesn't happen very often |
| 20:35.59 | bint | acutally it was me without enough patience |
| 20:37.08 | thewanderer1 | how to launch a detached screen session with a daemon inside? just "screen -d -S session -- daemon arg1 arg2" ? |
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| 20:38.22 | anAngel | Hello. How can i make tcpdump to start at boot time and run in the background? the tcpdump command im trying to run background is: tcpdump -vv -x -X -s 1500 'port 25' -n -i eth0 -C 2047 -w /home/tcpdump/tcpdump.eth0.pcap |
| 20:38.47 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, it can also happen on WLANs |
| 20:38.56 | jordanm | anAngel: are you wanting that to run as the user "tcpdump" too? |
| 20:39.22 | lpjhjdh | I'm trying to run schroot and it's telling me "no such file or directory". Started a session, checked out /var/lib/schroot/mount/$SID/ and the apps I'm trying to run are definitely there |
| 20:39.23 | anAngel | jordanm: not necessary |
| 20:39.29 | lpjhjdh | am I making a stupid mistake somewhere? |
| 20:39.42 | HTT-Bird | in fact, that's when I run into it the most...is when you lose association with the AP due to a timeout at that level |
| 20:39.43 | jordanm | anAngel: then you can go with the lazy way and use rc.local |
| 20:40.15 | thewanderer1 | that's what I'm doing now with slapd |
| 20:40.19 | anAngel | jordanm: tcpdump is an interactive program. will it work well using this way? |
| 20:40.52 | jordanm | anAngel: tcpdump is not interactive |
| 20:41.02 | thewanderer1 | anAngel: you can run it in screen and attach when you want to see it |
| 20:41.46 | jordanm | unless one of those options you are feeding it make it interactive, I have not used an interactive tcpdump mode |
| 20:41.46 | anAngel | ok i will try both methods |
| 20:43.22 | jordanm | anAngel: looks like I just use rc.local on our mirrored box |
| 20:43.52 | jordanm | however, it runs a script that does a bit more than launch tcpdump, it also rotates based on date |
| 20:43.53 | TheMechanic | anAngel: you should set a maximum size on your dump |
| 20:44.05 | thewanderer1 | or put it in a partition |
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| 20:44.50 | jordanm | looking at this script, I don't recall coming up with "lastmo=$((`date +%_m` - 1))" hehe |
| 20:44.56 | anAngel | TheMechanic: i want it to run till next shutdown/reboot/crash or till i decide to stop/kill the process |
| 20:45.26 | jordanm | anAngel: most likely, you do want a max size... ever tried to open a 10gb capture? |
| 20:45.46 | jordanm | splitting them based on size allows you to actually open the files and look at them, not just capture |
| 20:45.52 | TheMechanic | anAngel: yes I know that you want to keep capturing |
| 20:46.14 | TheMechanic | but you have to think about both the disk usage(you could be DOSing yourself) |
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| 20:46.22 | stuckey | hi all |
| 20:46.26 | TheMechanic | and handling the cap file |
| 20:46.35 | thewanderer1 | logrotate could be useful here |
| 20:46.47 | TheMechanic | a 10g file is not that easy to handle,to transfer, to analyze etc. |
| 20:46.59 | thewanderer1 | hint: if you want to analyze traffic in general only and you think you have too much RAM, ntop is a nice piece of software |
| 20:47.24 | jordanm | with RC bugs that I need to fix tongight... |
| 20:47.33 | TheMechanic | log rotation would be a fine solution, had he been using some special program to do logging |
| 20:47.44 | TheMechanic | i.e if you are doing a live capture, log rotation is not going to help you |
| 20:48.16 | TheMechanic | how about this |
| 20:48.22 | TheMechanic | why don't you look at running snort |
| 20:48.39 | TheMechanic | and enable a SMTP_RULE in your snort.conf file |
| 20:48.55 | jordanm | http://paste.debian.net/88682/ |
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| 20:48.59 | TheMechanic | you could use barnyard to log the dumps too, which is both efficient and well supported |
| 20:49.05 | jordanm | that is my crappy rotation script above |
| 20:49.05 | anAngel | i am trying to find a spammer on a random basis in the lan not using the corporate mail server so im capturing only the 25port traffic excluding our mail server ip |
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| 20:49.54 | thewanderer1 | it is possible to just block all outgoing smtp traffic but allow using your mail server from the inside |
| 20:49.57 | TheMechanic | are you suspicious this is happening, or you know this is happening and you want to nail the sucker? anAngel |
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| 20:50.00 | thewanderer1 | I've seen institutions do this |
| 20:50.02 | jordanm | anAngel: ehh. if you have a firewall, you should be using egress filtering so that only your mailserver is allowed to communicate on port 25 with the internet |
| 20:50.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 20:50.21 | TheMechanic | jordanm: is right |
| 20:50.30 | thewanderer1 | however much I hate this, it sometimes is needed :P |
| 20:50.58 | TheMechanic | you should setup your firewall to do this |
| 20:51.17 | anAngel | i know spaming is happening but at random times |
| 20:51.18 | jordanm | unless you work at a place like I do, where people say "whats a firewall?" |
| 20:51.29 | anAngel | and i want to nail it |
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| 20:51.35 | TheMechanic | anAngel, the better way to do this is to enable logging on your firewall |
| 20:51.39 | jordanm | anAngel: catching someone or finding the spammer, *does not* solve the overall problem |
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| 20:51.56 | thewanderer1 | anAngel: tell your frewall to log all outgoing smtp traffic :P |
| 20:52.03 | anAngel | not possible to block all other traffic or i wouldnt try searching the spammer |
| 20:52.04 | thewanderer1 | shorewall is good at that |
| 20:52.06 | jordanm | sure, you might clean some malware off a machine causing it, but what are you doing to prevent it from happening again? |
| 20:52.08 | TheMechanic | you could do your tcpdump but in that case, you should set the maximum size |
| 20:52.23 | TheMechanic | anAngel: when you set the size of the file, tcpdump will do the rotation automatically for you |
| 20:52.30 | TheMechanic | so you will have equal sized pcap files |
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| 20:52.53 | TheMechanic | anAngel: what firewall do you have in place? |
| 20:52.59 | jordanm | recalls having to do a lame work-around for tcpdump on RHEL for rotation to work properly |
| 20:53.20 | TheMechanic | jordanm: I have used this feature repeatedly on freeBSD, never failed |
| 20:53.30 | jordanm | I recall having to explictly state -Z root or similar |
| 20:53.39 | anAngel | TheMechanic: ok i will set the max file size |
| 20:53.43 | anAngel | TheMechanic: im using shorewall |
| 20:53.44 | jordanm | TheMechanic: it could be a specific problem to RHEL, not sure |
| 20:54.51 | jordanm | according to history, I used something like: tcpdump -Z root -C 50 -W 100 -w fullcap |
| 20:55.16 | jordanm | hehe, and I can see lots of straces in history before -Z trying to figure out the problem |
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| 21:03.32 | TheMechanic | never had this problem on freebsd |
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| 21:14.37 | mikeconcepts | is there a gui for smb so I don't have to edit smb.conf? folder sharing, setting workgroup |
| 21:15.15 | rubin110 | How does apache2 listen for incoming connections? |
| 21:15.42 | rubin110 | mikeconcepts: Check out webmin, but many people find it to be super insecure. |
| 21:16.01 | zeus | mikeconcepts: swat |
| 21:17.30 | mikeconcepts | zeus: rubin110 will research both, thanks |
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| 21:17.41 | Laidback_01 | rubin110, you might want to ask that in #apache. however, if you mean where to set it up, head over to /etc/apache2/*.conf and look in there. |
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| 21:19.15 | wrench- | i'm trying to debug a custom compiled kernel and was wondering if there was any way to capture the boot screen output to a file? |
| 21:20.37 | rubin110 | Laidback_01: I'm looking at netstat and don't see anything listening at port 80, yet low and behold it works. |
| 21:21.21 | xyan | wrench-: it should end up in dmesg, check your config for CONFIG_X86_VERBOSE_BOOTUP though |
| 21:21.55 | Laidback_01 | yeah, so, netstat -an | grep :80 should help you find it. |
| 21:22.21 | wrench- | xyan, well the problem is that this kernel doesn't boot properly just yet ;-) |
| 21:22.27 | Laidback_01 | er... netstat -an | grep .80 |
| 21:22.38 | Laidback_01 | using freebsd right now, I think that .80 is the way to go |
| 21:22.49 | wrench- | eventually panic's... but after it panic's, i can't do Shift + Page Up |
| 21:23.02 | Laidback_01 | it could be listening on *.80 and not a specific port and you just missed it in looking at netstat |
| 21:23.39 | xyan | wrench-: eventually panics? erm if you didnt disable printk's and the BUG() feature you should get a quite helpful message at the end... |
| 21:24.09 | xyan | wrench-: if you should have a live cd then inspect the logs with that |
| 21:24.10 | wrench- | i get a message at the end... but i am looking for other info in the output |
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| 21:24.46 | wrench- | the system is blank, no OS installed... i am pxe booting a kernel as part of FAI |
| 21:25.04 | wrench- | the problem is the ethernet driver doesn't seem to be loading which is why the system panics |
| 21:25.14 | wrench- | it's trying to mount it's root file system via NFS |
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| 21:26.08 | xyan | wrench-: hrm did you notice any message from the ethernet driver? maybe you want to pass rootdelay=xx to wait a bit longer |
| 21:26.24 | wrench- | oohhh, that sounds like a good idea |
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| 21:31.30 | lpjhjdh | anyone familiar with schroot? |
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| 21:31.50 | Greek-Boy | With regard to swap partitions in LVM...does it make a difference in what order they are made? From what I heard its a good practice to have swap paritions on the outer tracks. Does this apply on LVM? |
| 21:32.17 | Greek-Boy | I basically just want to know if I should my partitions inside LVM or not |
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| 21:35.35 | Greek-Boy | With regard to swap partitions in LVM...does it make a difference in what order they are made? From what I heard its a good practice to have swap paritions on the outer tracks. Does this apply on LVM? |
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| 21:37.52 | jhutchins | Greek-Boy: No need to repeat yourself. |
| 21:38.06 | jhutchins | Greek-Boy: Some like them first, some last. |
| 21:38.34 | jhutchins | Greek-Boy: lvm isn't necessary for most systems and adds a point of failure. |
| 21:38.46 | jhutchins | Greek-Boy: Just do swap and one partition and you'll be fine. |
| 21:40.00 | nsadmin | why are you considering lvm? can you do a separate swap partition and a PV for lvm? |
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| 21:40.56 | nsadmin | outer tracks have more sectors and they are therefore read at a somewhat higher rate |
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| 21:43.35 | nsadmin | lpjhjdh: ask your actual question |
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| 21:44.54 | Greek-Boy | jhutchins: I apologize for repeating |
| 21:45.38 | Greek-Boy | jhutchins: I'm using LVM because I am using xen hypervisor to do virtualization |
| 21:46.20 | Greek-Boy | nsadmin: I need a seperate swap parition for each virtual OS instance on xen dont i? |
| 21:47.09 | nsadmin | probably |
| 21:47.13 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 21:48.56 | Greek-Boy | So I rather keep the swap paritions out of LVM then |
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| 21:57.11 | K0BO | is there a more up to date version of this document? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Boot_Debian_from_an_USB_device |
| 21:57.52 | streuner | How about ig? |
| 21:58.04 | K0BO | whats ig? |
| 21:58.07 | streuner | Doesnt ig mentioned something about USB install? |
| 21:58.18 | streuner | install guide |
| 21:58.20 | K0BO | googles |
| 21:58.22 | streuner | dpkg ig |
| 21:58.22 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:58.44 | K0BO | not really says you can make a usb stick boot but no instructions |
| 21:58.55 | bzed | read again. |
| 21:59.11 | K0BO | knods |
| 21:59.12 | bzed | this time read it properly |
| 21:59.14 | bzed | :) |
| 21:59.23 | streuner | dpkg, usb install |
| 21:59.23 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 22:00.16 | K0BO | heh I was looking in ia64 not in i386 thanks |
| 22:00.38 | streuner | if you have to ask, its surely i386 :-P |
| 22:00.58 | sedstapler | Why can PulseAudio (with ALSA output) block certain ALSA applications? Isn't dmix supposed to be used by default? |
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| 22:06.11 | deathstroke | Hey guys, exim4-daemon-heavy or light ? |
| 22:06.19 | sedstapler | postfix :P |
| 22:06.33 | deathstroke | lol |
| 22:06.51 | streuner | just use telnet |
| 22:06.57 | sedstapler | (no, I just don't know exim4) |
| 22:07.16 | bzed | postfix. |
| 22:07.20 | streuner | dpkg, start an MTA war |
| 22:07.20 | dpkg | Sendmail rulez! |
| 22:07.28 | sedstapler | lies |
| 22:07.35 | bzed | dpkg: sendmail sucks! |
| 22:07.35 | dpkg | no idea, bzed |
| 22:07.40 | deathstroke | I dont know both, but everywhere I go i ear about postfix... I'm a skeptical person |
| 22:07.40 | bzed | see! |
| 22:07.55 | bzed | deathstroke: both work fine |
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| 22:08.15 | sedstapler | deathstroke: (not comparing to exim4 due to lack of knowledge) postfix is easy to setup and seems to be reliable for lots of folks |
| 22:08.27 | bzed | deathstroke: its really a question of what you like more :) postfix is less pain imho, while exim comes with a longish configuration which is well documented. |
| 22:08.37 | sedstapler | just avoid qmail |
| 22:08.45 | sedstapler | that much i've learned |
| 22:08.53 | bzed | deathstroke: both should come with debconf questions for the basic setup. after that you have to read the documentation anyway :) |
| 22:09.03 | bzed | yeah, qmail is a peice of something. |
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| 22:09.49 | crazygir | how does one view the lastlog of a system you aren't booted into? |
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| 22:10.05 | crazygir | so I have access to another system's lastlog, but less can't read it |
| 22:10.08 | sedstapler | crazygir: last -f /foo/bar |
| 22:10.15 | crazygir | ah! thank you |
| 22:10.17 | sedstapler | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.04 | sedstapler | contemplates installing an age old Emu10k1 PCI card to be able to forget all sound problems... |
| 22:11.39 | streuner | emu10k1 rules, so no worries :-) |
| 22:11.51 | sedstapler | yeah streuner. i just wish my notebook had one as well. |
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| 22:12.11 | streuner | yeah, surely not |
| 22:12.59 | jhutchins_lt | deathstroke: exim's not particularly light, it's a full-capability mailserver, but it scales well, which means it doesn't use a lot of resources if you're not passing a lot of mail. |
| 22:13.35 | streuner | wth is light, if you going to use an MTA... |
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| 22:14.03 | streuner | if you planning to use an MTA, you should have the right hardware, IMO |
| 22:14.05 | wooden | for minimalist folks who don't install an entire desktop environment, what tool do you prefer to initiate suspend to ram (S3)? |
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| 22:15.47 | streuner | otherwise you just use smarthost |
| 22:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell wooden about apci |
| 22:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | wooden: Might be some clues there. |
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| 22:18.21 | streuner | just used an MTA with his 64MB woody server, and its about 5 years ago... |
| 22:18.58 | streuner | just guess you should have more RAM... |
| 22:19.41 | streuner | (no worries about light then) |
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| 22:21.22 | streuner | besides, it was postfix as MTA |
| 22:22.22 | streuner | via version 1.x, but you should have more than 64 MB RAM |
| 22:22.23 | bzed | wooden: pm-suspend |
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| 22:26.06 | sedstapler | just uninstalled what has been his favorite e-mail client for years... âClaws Mailâ |
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| 22:26.46 | bzed | sedstapler: what are you going to use now? |
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| 22:28.14 | sedstapler | bzed: i'm not quite sure yet. it has to support IMAP IDLE. possibly mutt or thunderbird. |
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| 22:28.46 | sedstapler | or the original Sylpheed if it supports IMAP IDLE nowadays |
| 22:29.46 | sedstapler | thunderbird/icedove made a nice impression during the first few hours of testing. PGP is integrated very well with enigmail. |
| 22:30.09 | bzed | yeah |
| 22:30.24 | bzed | it just eats your ram and becomes insanely annoying when you have folders with large mails |
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| 22:30.36 | gomiam | ermm... confused question. Why on earth should upgrading to testing _remove_ packages and then install newer versions instead of just upgrading them? |
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| 22:31.17 | sedstapler | Claws is very resource friendly but the world is not the same anymore since I discovered IMAP IDLE and coincidentally live with a slow internet connection nowadays, with which plain old IMAP polling is annoying. |
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| 22:31.28 | bzed | gomiam: example? |
| 22:33.02 | gomiam | bzed: I'm just going through an apt-get upgrade and the apache2 package was uninstalled instead of "simply" (for some values of simply) upgrading to the new version. Same with ssh, samba, and the like. At this moment, I only know almost all gnome was kicked out, so was wine... and I'm crossing my fingers that they will be reinstalled. |
| 22:33.26 | bzed | gomiam: it says which packages will be installed. |
| 22:33.35 | bzed | gomiam: probably you just hit a dependency issue |
| 22:33.55 | gomiam | yes, but trying to force the upgrade was such a problem I just threw up my hands in frustration |
| 22:33.57 | jhutchins_lt | gomiam: It's to resolve chicken-or-egg dependencies. |
| 22:34.28 | gomiam | can't resolve a dependency when installing a package breaks the package it's supposed to rdepend on. |
| 22:34.37 | gomiam | so it finally fucked itself up |
| 22:34.53 | gomiam | yay... I will have to spend time tomorrow fixing it all |
| 22:34.54 | gomiam | tsch |
| 22:35.01 | jhutchins_lt | Installing squeeze is not an upgrade, it's an experiment |
| 22:35.06 | abrotman | gomiam: what was the command you used |
| 22:35.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:35.33 | JonLur | Hi - did a aptitude update / aptitude safe-upgrade today. Xen server latest stable kernel. Hangs "Waiting for root system" - Last message before is Volume group "x" not found. |
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| 22:35.47 | gomiam | abrotman: I just wanted to get gcc again, because, for some reason, it was unavailable even if I had gcc-4.2, -4.3, -4.4 installed |
| 22:35.50 | gomiam | and... well |
| 22:35.56 | gomiam | now I don't have to worry about gcc |
| 22:36.04 | gomiam | there are more pressing matters |
| 22:36.15 | gomiam | like finding out what else has been broken |
| 22:36.17 | gomiam | oh well |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | there is a log |
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| 22:36.34 | gomiam | yeah, I guess I'll have to look at it |
| 22:36.58 | JonLur | Previous safe-upgrade was a month ago - no problems then |
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| 22:38.14 | JonLur | Found many references on the net to "Volume group 'x' not found" - unsure what direction to follow |
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| 22:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: I think I've seen that from someone else here running under xen. Just boot back to the previous kernel. |
| 22:39.39 | bint | ld-linux.so.2: Searching . . . Failed! You must install and copy the missing libraries to /test |
| 22:39.47 | JonLur | Tried previous kernel - doesn't boot - Error 13 Invalid executable format |
| 22:39.47 | gomiam | apt-get install is supposed to automatically install dependencies, isn't it? |
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| 22:39.56 | bint | anyone knows if this is ia32-libs |
| 22:40.11 | jhutchins_lt | gomiam: aptitude resolves better. |
| 22:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: Roll back to the snapshot from before the upgrade? |
| 22:41.14 | gomiam | tsch, aptitude wants me to upgrade libc6. Oh well, the sistem can't get too worse, so... |
| 22:41.24 | JonLur | sorry - no snapshot... |
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| 22:41.52 | iluminator101 | how do i transfer scanner setting from one pc to another without having to reinstalling the drivers |
| 22:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: What do we learn from this? |
| 22:42.01 | gomiam | what I can't understand is WHY THE FUCK (sorry, but this is completely annoying) does aptitude have to uninstall everything |
| 22:42.01 | JonLur | :-) |
| 22:42.10 | bint | ok here my question.. if a program sais: "You must install and copy the missing libraries to /test" and i apt-get installed the libraries - how do i copy em over to /test ? |
| 22:42.15 | gomiam | the way things are going I won't have a working computer anymore. |
| 22:42.41 | gomiam | I never had this kinds of problems before |
| 22:42.45 | bzed | bint: that smells that your programs is buggy, weird and broken - /test is nothing serious |
| 22:42.49 | JonLur | I learn, but how to solve this problem? Customers server :-( |
| 22:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | gomiam: You knew that was a possibility when you started the process. |
| 22:43.11 | bzed | gomiam: why do you hit enter then when aptitude suggests to remove everything from your system? |
| 22:43.18 | gomiam | bzed: it _didn't_ |
| 22:43.20 | bzed | gomiam: you obviously have a dependency issue |
| 22:43.25 | fas3r | i try to use squid for irc but i dont find solution this is my squid.conf if somebody can help me : http://pastebin.com/z83VYRbA thank by the way |
| 22:43.29 | gomiam | it just started kicking everything out |
| 22:43.37 | gomiam | first time in about ten years using Debian |
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| 22:43.39 | bzed | fas3r: squid for irc? WTF? |
| 22:44.05 | fas3r | bzed: damn .. im tired use irc over squid :) |
| 22:44.13 | bint | bzed i createt that |
| 22:44.18 | bint | because i want it to install into /test |
| 22:44.19 | bzed | fas3r: you know that squid is a proxy for http and friends? |
| 22:44.36 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: I'm not clear on why the system should be looking for a "volume group" within xen. A volume group implies raid, which should be transparent to a VM. |
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| 22:44.37 | bint | in rL its like /home/usrname/app |
| 22:44.40 | fas3r | bzed: i cant use a squid and irc ? |
| 22:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: However, if you're using lvm within xen that might have something to do with it. |
| 22:45.04 | fas3r | i mean use a proxy with my irc client |
| 22:45.17 | jhutchins_lt | JonLur: You need to make sure that grub, any initramfs, and the fstab all agree about where partitions are, and match what xen is presenting. |
| 22:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: Depends on the squid setup and your irc client. |
| 22:46.07 | JonLur | Maybe that's something. |
| 22:46.38 | fas3r | jhutchins_lt: i use chatzilla so it take the proxy conf from firefox |
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| 22:47.24 | bzed | fas3r: can't you exclude irc there? :) |
| 22:47.39 | bzed | fas3r: running irc trough a proxy is more pain than useful |
| 22:48.07 | fas3r | bzed: well the problem is then iuse chatzilla i need to cut the proxy conf from firefox ^^ |
| 22:48.22 | fas3r | so i start to be bored ^^ |
| 22:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | fas3r: then squid needs to be set up to forward irc ports, which depend on the server. |
| 22:50.22 | fas3r | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean by to be set up to forward irc ports ? |
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| 22:52.26 | gomiam | here's to hoping I can rollback to stable... |
| 22:52.45 | gomiam | damn, never though trying to gcc something would bring so many problems :) |
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| 22:54.55 | nsadmin | gomiam: that shouldn't cause problems in and of itself... the problems would be caused if you installed things not for your version of debian |
| 22:55.55 | nsadmin | gomiam: and rollback would be accomplished by restoring from your backup |
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| 22:57.03 | gomiam | nsadmin: yeah, if rollback requires backup... then there's a big problem. |
| 22:57.18 | gomiam | fortunately, it seems I'm being able to get back |
| 22:58.22 | nsadmin | in that case all the packages you did install from other debian versions or not debian, are simple packages... generally, downgrading is (purposely) not supported |
| 22:59.21 | gomiam | nsadmin: ok, so if the system messes up, as in this case, all bets are off. |
| 23:00.05 | gomiam | I used to think that Debian was a bit more resistent... though it is showing it is, since I'm being able to downgrade for the time being. |
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| 23:00.38 | nsadmin | there was an early decision made, to not support downgrading |
| 23:01.20 | nsadmin | and that decision has propigated into a lot of stuff... essentially it means the maint has less work to do |
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| 23:02.01 | gomiam | its being early doesn't really matter. The reasons behind it do. And maintainers having less work to do is not too bad a reason, even if someone may get his fingers burned for it. |
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| 23:10.29 | JonLur | jhutchins_lt: There was a partition pointer problem in grub. The last upgrade did something strange there. I promise to take lvm snapshot next time. Thanks |
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| 23:23.11 | rubin110 | Is there a good resource for traffic shaping/priority for debian? |
| 23:25.29 | dondelelcaro | rubin110: lots, but it depends on what you want to do |
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| 23:28.12 | bronaugh | ok, where can I get a debian kernel package for something shinier than 2.6.32? |
| 23:28.25 | bronaugh | playing around with a 3TB disk at the moment; want to get 4kb sector jazz working. |
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| 23:36.54 | zomgbie | whoops probably not a good sign i guess - my kernel.log says this: kernel: [9173597.481462] attempt to access beyond end of device; kernel: [9173597.481462] sda: rw=0, want=29974638752, limit=1135153152; EDAC MC: Memory scrubbing 'get' control is not implemented |
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| 23:58.31 | macrobat | bronaugh: there are vanilla, un-debianized kernels to conf and compile at kernel.org if you dont want to wait |
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| 23:59.29 | bronaugh | macrobat: yeah, done that many times. but clearly some of the Debian kernel team will be working on preparing for newer, shinier kernels than 2.6.32 |
| 23:59.46 | bronaugh | shrug. google can clearly answer better here. |
