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| 00:01.29 | thepro4ever | cafuego: huh? |
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| 00:01.42 | streuner | typo of him... |
| 00:01.46 | streuner | he meant me |
| 00:02.46 | streuner | cafuego: just a joke ;-) |
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| 00:10.14 | lukas90 | hi |
| 00:10.17 | lukas90 | i have got a problem |
| 00:10.27 | lukas90 | i cant start the programm ghost++ |
| 00:10.47 | lukas90 | Segmention fault error |
| 00:10.51 | lukas90 | http://pastebin.com/RBXLDuuf |
| 00:11.07 | cafuego | File a bug report |
| 00:11.11 | lukas90 | here is the full debug from gnu gdb debugging tool |
| 00:11.25 | lukas90 | 2 lines above there is one |
| 00:11.26 | lukas90 | :) |
| 00:11.28 | cafuego | With the developers, not with irc. |
| 00:11.36 | lukas90 | http://pastebin.com/RBXLDuuf |
| 00:11.52 | lukas90 | what u mean with the developers? |
| 00:12.04 | cafuego | File a bug report with whoever wrote ghost++ |
| 00:12.40 | lukas90 | i dont know who wrote ghost++ |
| 00:12.43 | lukas90 | www.codelain.com |
| 00:12.55 | lukas90 | this is the developer website |
| 00:13.02 | cafuego | file a bug with them |
| 00:13.16 | moldovean | !reportbug |
| 00:13.16 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 00:13.37 | jhutchins_lt | That only applies to debian packages though, which I suspect ghost++ is not. |
| 00:13.42 | cafuego | No, not to the BTS, as it's not packaged software. |
| 00:14.09 | cafuego | it's some sort of battle.net proxy |
| 00:14.21 | jhutchins_lt | Whatever bug tracking system the provider uses. |
| 00:14.31 | streuner | would be hard to file a bugreport when its not in Debian :-P |
| 00:14.58 | lukas90 | the problem only appears when i run ghost++ with mysql in ghost.cfg |
| 00:15.11 | cafuego | I assume it's using some reverse engineerd proprietary protocol and the protocal prolly changed. |
| 00:15.11 | lukas90 | if i run it with sqlite3 then it works without any problems |
| 00:15.26 | streuner | cafuego: omg |
| 00:15.30 | cafuego | lukas90: It's still a ghost++ issue and not a debian issue. |
| 00:15.45 | lukas90 | but it only dont work in my 2nd debian root |
| 00:15.50 | lukas90 | on my first it worked perfectly |
| 00:15.57 | cafuego | lukas90: It's still a ghost++ issue and not a debian issue. |
| 00:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | If you download software that's essentially designed to steal commercial services, you should be fairly thankful if it doesn't just destroy your system and steal your personal information. |
| 00:16.34 | lukas90 | i didnt downloaded the software |
| 00:16.38 | lukas90 | i downloaded the sourcecode |
| 00:16.45 | sanzilla | dpkg: |
| 00:16.45 | dpkg | sanzilla: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:16.59 | sanzilla | what kind of FM is that? FM radio? |
| 00:17.08 | lukas90 | and ghost++ does not interrupt with blizzard entertainment agree |
| 00:17.33 | lukas90 | because warcraft 3 is a singleplayer game |
| 00:17.38 | lukas90 | and also multiplayer |
| 00:17.49 | lukas90 | just a strategy game so evrybody can host |
| 00:17.57 | sanzilla | rmmod dpkg |
| 00:17.57 | cafuego | lukas90: I feel you're not udnerstanding me. It it not debian software and so not supported by debian or anyone on this channel. Get support from or at www.codelain.com. |
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| 00:19.09 | cafuego | lukas90: No amount of explaining what it does or does not do will change that fact. |
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| 00:20.01 | thepro4ever | can i pass a string to grep? |
| 00:20.19 | cafuego | thepro4ever: If you actually want to use grep that's rather mandatory |
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| 00:20.30 | sanzilla | ya only through the pipes. |
| 00:23.40 | thepro4ever | what i'm trying to do is strip out the token i want froma string i don't know if grep can do that, i have piped a string into grep and it keeps returning the whole string |
| 00:23.55 | cast | sed will |
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| 00:24.48 | sanzilla | dpkg: do you think how much it will take to retrieve packages and install debian 3.0 using a DSL connection 52Kbps? |
| 00:24.48 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do you think how much it will take to retrieve packages and install debian 3.0 using a DSL connection 52Kbps |
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| 00:25.09 | sanzilla | dpkg: answer now! |
| 00:25.09 | dpkg | sanzilla: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:25.33 | cafuego | thepro4ever: grep prints the entire string if it finds what you're looking for. |
| 00:25.41 | streuner | Debian 3.0 would be very interesting |
| 00:25.43 | Tramp | thepro4ever: not sure, what exactly you want, but maybe "grep -o" |
| 00:25.43 | sanzilla | I downloaded linux free tutorials from tldp.org good web site. |
| 00:26.02 | cafuego | sanzilla: dpkg is a robot. |
| 00:26.07 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 3.0 |
| 00:26.08 | sanzilla | streuner:why you telling like that? |
| 00:26.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3.0' by key (11): 15,4 l o o k s h a r p 1,0 3.0 15,15 14,14 15,1 http://0www.look ;; gcc-3.0 ;; kde3.0.3 #del# ;; _default 3.0 ;; _default gcc-3.0 ;; 3.0 ;; #debian 3.0 ;; 4.3.0.dfsg ;; debsrc3.0 ;; qt2-2.3.0-beta1-1 #del# ;; debian 3.0 #del#. |
| 00:26.20 | sanzilla | cafuego: I know that's why I'm rude to it. |
| 00:26.21 | streuner | dpkg, debian 3.0 |
| 00:26.21 | dpkg | streuner: i don't know |
| 00:26.33 | cafuego | sanzilla: it's sort of spammy |
| 00:26.58 | cafuego | thepro4ever: If you need to extract a particular field from a delimited list, use cut or awk. |
| 00:27.02 | Tramp | grep -o bar <<<"foo bar baz" --> bar - sounds like that's what you are looking for |
| 00:27.11 | streuner | sanzilla: Debian 3.0 is woody ... |
| 00:27.55 | streuner | sanzilla: You dont want woody, do you? :-P |
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| 00:29.58 | streuner | sanzilla: if i speak to people without respect, i insult them ;-) |
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| 00:30.56 | streuner | sanzilla: we just speak to people more direct, but its not an insult and not without respect too... |
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| 00:31.45 | streuner | sanzilla: and please just talk here in channel, its a matter of respect too |
| 00:32.38 | Raggs | hi all, there is no history in iceweasel, i have it set up in the preferences to save the history. i am running squeeze, anyone have an idea of what might be wrong? |
| 00:32.43 | lukas90 | http://pastebin.com/ddBnAmbS |
| 00:32.54 | cafuego | lukas90: I feel you're not udnerstanding me. It it not debian software and so not supported by debian or anyone on this channel. Get support from or at www.codelain.com. |
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| 00:33.28 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 00:34.21 | ShapeShifter499 | what is the latest and greatest linux kernel for debian that I can download via apt-get or synaptic? (doesn't matter if its in stable or experimental) |
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| 00:34.45 | moldovean | Raggs, here iceweasel has history, even too much |
| 00:35.16 | sanzilla | admin: dpkg just joking. He even don't know how large debian 3 is? |
| 00:35.21 | Raggs | lol moldovean, normaly works for me as well, this install not so much |
| 00:35.25 | sanzilla | we need to reprogram him. |
| 00:36.00 | cafuego | ShapeShifter499: You can have latest OR greatest, not AND ;-) |
| 00:36.09 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
| 00:36.24 | ShapeShifter499 | ok what is the latest.... and what is the greatest? |
| 00:36.41 | thepro4ever | is there a command for present working folder? |
| 00:36.41 | cafuego | The greatest ever would be 2.6.18 of course |
| 00:36.54 | cafuego | As for latest, dunno. 2.6.35 prolly |
| 00:36.58 | sanzilla | debain kernel contais around 50M LOC |
| 00:37.04 | thepro4ever | i'm basically just trying to extract a folder name from a path |
| 00:37.04 | sanzilla | *contains |
| 00:37.23 | sanzilla | thepro4ever: go on |
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| 00:38.00 | cafuego | thepro4ever: basename is a win little utility. |
| 00:38.09 | sanzilla | oh I see you need a parent directory climbup algorithm? |
| 00:38.26 | sanzilla | I wrote a one before 8 hours early. |
| 00:38.27 | thepro4ever | sanzilla: in my script i think am doing a cd "cd /opt/mysql*" i really just want to get the name of that folder |
| 00:38.51 | cafuego | thepro4ever: basename /pah/to/folder returns 'folder' |
| 00:39.08 | thepro4ever | basename /opt/mysql-5.1.50-linux-i686-glibc23/ |
| 00:39.10 | thepro4ever | woops |
| 00:39.16 | sanzilla | in C++/C I can share the code but I don't know scripts. |
| 00:39.27 | ShapeShifter499 | cafaro, ok thanks |
| 00:39.32 | cafuego | Dear god in heaven, are you compiling mysql? |
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| 00:39.35 | thepro4ever | cafuego: gahhh you are such a nerd, that works |
| 00:39.44 | ShapeShifter499 | cafuego, ok thanks |
| 00:39.53 | ShapeShifter499 | dam tab |
| 00:39.55 | cafuego | ShapeShifter499: I'm just guessing, you know. |
| 00:39.56 | thepro4ever | cafuego: i'm writing a script to install it the way i want |
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| 00:40.23 | ShapeShifter499 | cafuego, no I didn't know xD |
| 00:40.25 | cafuego | thepro4ever: it both saddens and frightens me. |
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| 00:40.39 | cafuego | ShapeShifter499: Guessing at the latest anyway. |
| 00:40.56 | cafuego | ShapeShifter499: You can check on pakages.debian.org and looking for linux-image packages. |
| 00:41.14 | thepro4ever | cafuego: i didn't enjoy installing the mysql debian packages and finding out there is a bunch of other shit i needed too just to do my development, instead i have one tar file with everything i need |
| 00:41.27 | sanzilla | here: http://pastebin.ca/1927253 |
| 00:41.51 | ShapeShifter499 | cafuego, oh ok thanks |
| 00:41.56 | thepro4ever | cafuego: i also enjoy consolidating an install as much as possible to one point and not distributing it across an environment |
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| 00:42.15 | cafuego | thepro4ever: You just need th -dev apckages. I agree the debian mysql is a tad old, but that's why I wrote scripts to build MariaDB packages for the whole world. |
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| 00:44.09 | sanzilla | debian 3.0 is installing ... going to watch R0sWell |
| 00:44.11 | crazy2k_ | Does someone want to give me a hand wit this? It's a question SCHED_FIFO's behaviour. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3588842/is-it-possible-to-hang-a-linux-box-with-a-sched-fifo-process |
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| 00:45.30 | DarkJustice | wow I made it, this command line client is bizarre |
| 00:45.55 | Dan_NH | DarkJustice: how was the trip? |
| 00:46.09 | DarkJustice | anyway, if anyone can help I'd GREATLY appreciate it. I busted my X Windows and need some advice on how to restore the default |
| 00:46.18 | DarkJustice | lol Dan_NH, good I guess |
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| 00:50.47 | SonOfA | hi ppl any linux questions to answer? |
| 00:51.01 | cast | sure |
| 00:51.05 | DarkJustice | yeah, can ya tell me how to fix my busted x windows? |
| 00:51.07 | cast | when will btrfs be ready |
| 00:51.25 | simlan | Just downloaded the netinstaller image ISO file. I want to make my USB stick bootable and install from it. I'm currently under Windows 7. Any guide how to get the installer on the stick and make it bootable? |
| 00:51.26 | TMM | when can I use gnu/hurd? |
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| 00:51.34 | streuner | lol |
| 00:51.35 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:51.40 | TMM | DarkJustice, what's busted? |
| 00:51.45 | cast | TMM: its been usable in debian for years |
| 00:52.00 | TMM | cast, yeah, but it doesn't work all that well, I tried :) |
| 00:52.05 | DarkJustice | well I tried to update my nvidia driver but failed to RTFM, and now well.... |
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| 00:52.17 | ZenWalker | how can I know the directory in home of configuration of program? |
| 00:52.22 | streuner | this troll started another nightmare thread, just dont feed him :-) |
| 00:52.28 | DarkJustice | X loads but hangs about 15-30 seconds into loading |
| 00:52.46 | SonOfA | Looks like #debain is a place where lots of bugs and questions but little answers :( |
| 00:52.50 | TMM | ZenWalker, it's usually ~/.config/<progname> ~/.<progname>/ or ~/.<progname>rc |
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| 00:53.15 | TMM | SonOfA, if you have a question, you should ask it :) |
| 00:53.20 | cast | and then there are gnome app confs.. |
| 00:53.28 | DarkJustice | TMM: I attempted to google how to restore the default X widnows but it's very difficult with lynx |
| 00:53.35 | ongolaBoy | hi.what rules are applied before i restart a bunch of iptables script ? I mean within the short interval between my former script and the new one ? |
| 00:53.45 | streuner | sona: i think you have real issues |
| 00:53.59 | streuner | SonOfA: ^^^ |
| 00:54.16 | TMM | DarkJustice, if you remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf it should default back to the free driver. |
| 00:54.25 | TMM | DarkJustice, back it up, just to be sure |
| 00:54.35 | DarkJustice | omg it can't be that easy |
| 00:54.43 | DarkJustice | I've been screwing with this since 4 AM |
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| 00:55.46 | DarkJustice | TMM: I'll try that, but before I log off, I'm also now getting "failed to initialize hal" could the video problem be caused by some other underlying issue? |
| 00:55.58 | thepro4ever | why can't i do installLoc=basename /opt/mysql* inside a script? |
| 00:55.58 | ZenWalker | TMM: thanks, I find it on .config :) (canorus) |
| 00:56.10 | TMM | DarkJustice, what did you DO? :) |
| 00:56.54 | DarkJustice | TMM: I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:56.55 | TMM | DarkJustice, did you already remove all the nvidia packages? |
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| 00:57.28 | TMM | DarkJustice, well, let's just start by resetting Xorg and try restarting your display manager. If that doesn't work, we can go from there |
| 00:57.32 | lolufail | hi there! |
| 00:57.32 | DarkJustice | TMM: nope, not yet just got them finally re-installed a little while ago, figured I'd ask an expert 'fore I did anything else |
| 00:57.53 | lolufail | ubuntu has 'truncate' in their coreutils package, where is ours :D? can't find it, only some libs |
| 00:57.58 | nsadmin | thepro4ever: what happens when you run echo /opt/mysql* |
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| 00:58.11 | DarkJustice | TMM: ok thanks, gonna go try that.. appreciate it :) |
| 00:58.50 | macrobat_ | libstring-truncate-perl - Perl module to truncate long strings |
| 00:59.20 | TMM | lolufail, if you want to truncate a file you can just echo -n > <file> |
| 00:59.23 | nsadmin | lolufail truncate? never heard of it. what does it do? |
| 00:59.52 | lolufail | nsadmin: it truncates a file ;) empties it |
| 00:59.53 | nsadmin | oh, zero it? > file |
| 01:00.12 | TMM | nsadmin, ow, sweet! didn't know you could do that :) |
| 01:00.23 | lolufail | TMM: somehow that didnt work with my command: find $template/var/log -type f -print | xargs truncate --size 0 |
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| 01:01.21 | nsadmin | xargs tries to put a bunch of the incoming stuff from find on one line |
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| 01:01.42 | nsadmin | echo 1 2 3 | xargs X |
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| 01:02.08 | nsadmin | would produce X 1 2 3 instead of X 1 ; X 2 |
| 01:02.14 | nsadmin | ; X 3 |
| 01:02.18 | lolufail | I did try it with echo before, but I was too stupid, this suddenly worked on that one ubuntu vm ;) |
| 01:03.20 | TMM | lolufail, find . -type f -exec bash -c "echo -n > {}" \; |
| 01:03.29 | TMM | but with a different path, obviously |
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| 01:04.51 | lolufail | TMM: -.- that worked ;) |
| 01:04.54 | lolufail | thanks |
| 01:04.57 | TMM | np |
| 01:06.20 | nsadmin | so (while this is just the default behavior) xargs is mostly meant for commands that can handle more than one arg on the command line |
| 01:06.34 | TMM | lolufail, that would actually also work with nsadmin's suggestion, you can drop the echo -n :) |
| 01:06.42 | TMM | -exec bash -c "> {}" \; works just fine of course |
| 01:06.57 | lolufail | orly? |
| 01:07.08 | nsadmin | morely. |
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| 01:07.20 | TMM | yeah, I'm not used to the new information nsadmin provided, that's why I still used the echo :) |
| 01:07.24 | lolufail | that seems kinda evil ;) redirecting output of nothing |
| 01:07.36 | TMM | why, you want.. nothing in the file |
| 01:07.39 | TMM | makes perfect sense :) |
| 01:07.41 | lolufail | ;) |
| 01:08.18 | nsadmin | heheHEHEhehehe! if you redirect the deeeep abyss into your file... |
| 01:08.25 | nsadmin | you just get the deeep abyss@ |
| 01:08.26 | lolufail | echo is quick enough i think ;) |
| 01:08.34 | lolufail | i could use true instead maybe |
| 01:09.20 | nsadmin | not sure why you'd want bash -c "..." |
| 01:09.41 | nsadmin | I would have thought -exec took care of that |
| 01:09.49 | TMM | you'd be wrong |
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| 01:10.04 | lolufail | nsadmin: yeah, I tried it without that before, never worked |
| 01:10.06 | lolufail | for some reason |
| 01:10.09 | Tramp | -exec has no shell |
| 01:10.21 | Tramp | and redirection is a shell-feature |
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| 01:10.25 | lolufail | aaaah |
| 01:10.41 | TMM | no shell, no redirection |
| 01:10.49 | nsadmin | so you'd give -exec a shell if you want to specify the plumbing |
| 01:11.00 | Tramp | yep |
| 01:11.06 | lolufail | btw what does the \; do? |
| 01:11.11 | TMM | $ find . -type f -exec echo -n > {} \; |
| 01:11.16 | TMM | $ ls -1 |
| 01:11.17 | TMM | {} |
| 01:11.19 | TMM | :) |
| 01:11.23 | nsadmin | ; says end of exec |
| 01:11.42 | nsadmin | but the shell has got its nose poked into the command line |
| 01:11.49 | lolufail | wouldnt it be easier to just accept one argument? |
| 01:11.53 | nsadmin | and ; has special meaning to the shell |
| 01:12.00 | lolufail | in "" |
| 01:12.10 | TMM | lolufail, how would find know what are arguments? |
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| 01:12.30 | lolufail | with the standard magic... the first word after -exec ;) |
| 01:12.31 | nsadmin | so you have to tell the shell that the following thing has no special meaning |
| 01:12.34 | TMM | lolufail, "myprog some file" is that myprog "some file" or myprog some file ? :) |
| 01:12.37 | nsadmin | so you quote it |
| 01:13.08 | lolufail | TMM: that would be myprog with first argument "some" and second "file" |
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| 01:13.30 | lolufail | myprog "some file" has "some file" as first argument to myprog ;) |
| 01:13.31 | lolufail | not? |
| 01:13.39 | TMM | lolufail, what about files with spaces in them? double escaping? how would {} know what kind of escaping that particular shell needs? |
| 01:14.10 | lolufail | you'd need to encapsulate {} in ' ' |
| 01:14.23 | TMM | and then find would have to unwrap the ''? |
| 01:14.29 | lolufail | hmm |
| 01:14.36 | lolufail | are there filenames with ' ? |
| 01:14.57 | Tramp | sure. half of my mp3s |
| 01:14.58 | lolufail | whatever, someone probably had a good reason ;) |
| 01:14.59 | TMM | filenames can contain any character except '\0' and '/' |
| 01:15.27 | nsadmin | lolufail: true |
| 01:16.12 | nsadmin | with utf-8 that's alotta characters |
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| 01:18.24 | TMM | and they can be 255 bytes long btw :) |
| 01:18.35 | TMM | with UTF-8 that does not translate to 255 characters :) |
| 01:18.37 | MacGyverNL | Anyone here know why Linux-VServer is being deprecated in squeeze, and if the same fate could await OpenVZ in the future? |
| 01:19.29 | johntramp | hi. has anyone any ideas why my colours are so washed out in firefox. for eg http://i.imgur.com/IBz8g.png i can't even see the squares on the board |
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| 01:20.12 | TMM | johntramp, contrast settings on your monitor? |
| 01:20.36 | johntramp | so does that screenshot look fine to you? |
| 01:20.47 | TMM | johntramp, yup, also: install adblock pro |
| 01:21.08 | johntramp | yeah im getting there ;) new install |
| 01:22.10 | mabdy | hey why is my second monitor (TV ) picked up as a 72in when its onlt a 42 inch? |
| 01:22.34 | mabdy | hey why is my second monitor (TV ) picked up as a 72in when its only* a 42 inch? |
| 01:22.57 | TMM | wrong EDID info? |
| 01:22.59 | krisfremen | hmm |
| 01:23.08 | krisfremen | is there a list of which packages go to which cds? |
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| 01:24.40 | mabdy | TMM is that to me? |
| 01:24.49 | TMM | mabdy, yeah |
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| 01:25.15 | mabdy | TMM so how to reset? |
| 01:25.52 | TMM | mabdy, you can't really, some screens just give wrong info |
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| 01:29.06 | hydra | mabdy: screen resolution problems ? try to use xorg.conf file setting DPMS option or your horizsync vertrefresh (see monitor specs) |
| 01:29.41 | hydra | madby: otherwise I don't know, play with xrand,etc. |
| 01:29.47 | hydra | *xrandr |
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| 01:29.54 | fatleader1 | what |
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| 01:30.41 | thepro4ever | what does "useradd -g cool cool" do ? |
| 01:31.07 | cast | man useradd |
| 01:31.35 | cast | you could observe the effects on the files listed under FILES, too |
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| 01:32.06 | thepro4ever | i'm confused by the fact it has the word cool listed twice |
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| 01:32.58 | cast | a group called cool, a user called cool |
| 01:33.06 | cafuego | thepro4ever: it does what adduser does on debian, but with more typing. |
| 01:33.28 | cafuego | Are you following some rhel howto or soemthing? |
| 01:33.40 | cafuego | that would explain putting shit in /opt as well ;-) |
| 01:34.05 | mabdy | hydra: no screen res problems |
| 01:34.34 | thepro4ever | cafuego: i read somewhere that /opt is generally used for third party applications |
| 01:34.51 | thepro4ever | cafuego: plus its just as good a spot as any |
| 01:35.24 | cafuego | thinks it's horrible to install non-packaged alternatives to packaged software |
| 01:35.57 | thepro4ever | cafuego: my fear is if i ever rent a server to host some of my shit i won't be able to connect to any repos |
| 01:36.01 | cafuego | but that's just me |
| 01:36.08 | thepro4ever | cafuego: plus this makes it portal to any intranets |
| 01:36.12 | thepro4ever | portable |
| 01:37.40 | mabdy | one final problem if I try and install an ubuntu cd how far have I gone? |
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| 01:38.04 | hydra | time ? |
| 01:38.08 | hydra | it's fast |
| 01:38.20 | cafuego | shudders |
| 01:38.56 | mabdy | from the debian ideal? |
| 01:40.50 | mabdy | or is that a perciptional difference |
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| 01:42.10 | mabdy | is there really ant difference? |
| 01:42.24 | cafuego | mabdy: yes, there is. |
| 01:42.25 | mabdy | is there really any* difference? |
| 01:42.59 | mabdy | cafuego: such as? |
| 01:43.03 | cafuego | mabdy: The software is configured differently, Ubuntu contains different software |
| 01:43.33 | cafuego | mabdy: and you'll not get useful support from #debian or Canonical. |
| 01:43.40 | mabdy | cafuego: diff software? is that all? |
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| 01:46.13 | cast | being different software is about all that differents different software products |
| 01:46.23 | cast | differentiates* |
| 01:46.32 | cafuego | configured differently, too |
| 01:46.37 | cafuego | and the support |
| 01:46.38 | mabdy | cafuego: so its not that diff really? |
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| 01:46.53 | cafuego | mabdy: Why did you ask if you don't listen to the answer? |
| 01:46.57 | cast | it's quite different |
| 01:47.22 | cast | one is 'absolutely free' and the other is debian |
| 01:47.44 | cafuego | mabdy: I'll do an easy explanation: Ubuntu takes debian package source, sometimes breaks it, compiles it and calls it Ubuntu. |
| 01:47.46 | cast | </dig at ubuntu's front page> |
| 01:47.50 | zinx | hey, could you troll somewhere else? |
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| 01:48.44 | mabdy | just trying to understand the which is bettet to learn from |
| 01:48.44 | naildownx | Statler in Action http://imagebin.org/111716 |
| 01:49.05 | cast | zinx: this is a key difference between the two |
| 01:49.15 | Hydroxide | mabdy: both have their advantages |
| 01:49.19 | zinx | mabdy: depends on what you want to learn |
| 01:49.19 | cafuego | mabdy: To learn, probably debian. |
| 01:50.18 | zinx | mabdy: if you just want to learn to use a linux distro, i don't think it matters much. just be aware there are some differences between them, so you may have to learn some more if you switch.. but between ubuntu/debian, there's very little to learn for a user |
| 01:50.24 | Hydroxide | mabdy: similar to what cafuego just said, I think Debian will give you more of a reason to learn how things work, but if you happen to want to do the most common consumer-oriented use cases and don't happen to hit any rough edges in a particular Ubuntu release and don't want to upgrade between releases without installing, Ubuntu is a reasonable option |
| 01:50.26 | mabdy | cafuego:that was my first thought |
| 01:50.45 | Hydroxide | *without reinstalling, that should read |
| 01:50.55 | cafuego | mabdy: It's a bit more sensible in its setup. |
| 01:51.01 | DarkJustice | TMM, Thanks for the tip earlier, back up in a gui environment now, but wow it's like the system is in slow-motion |
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| 01:51.49 | zinx | Hydroxide: erh, i've never reinstalled Debian... and i've been using it for quite a number of years :/ |
| 01:51.52 | syntax_enable | does anyone know of a way of using "network-manager-gnome" on fvwm2? |
| 01:52.18 | cast | zinx: ubuntu isn't like that, i think that's his point |
| 01:52.21 | Hydroxide | zinx: right, I think we agree. I was saying ubuntu is the one that needs reinstalls if you want to be able to reliably upgrade between releases |
| 01:52.23 | zinx | cast: ah, weird |
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| 01:52.50 | Hydroxide | zinx: occasionally ubuntu upgrades smoothly, but... yeah, I used the word 'occasionally' :) |
| 01:53.29 | TMM | DarkJustice, if you have a later model nvidia card you're now in VESA mode. NVidia doesn't even supply information for 2D acceleration anymore |
| 01:53.52 | DarkJustice | TMM, geforce 6200 |
| 01:54.13 | TMM | DarkJustice, I have no idea what that is, NVidia and free operating systems are not friends :) |
| 01:54.53 | mabdy | so Ive just wondered why ubuntu is not user friendly unless your a windows user |
| 01:54.56 | TMM | DarkJustice, but, anyway, you should be able to follow some instructions to reinstall the nvidia blobs |
| 01:55.00 | DarkJustice | TMM, nope they sure aren't, and I'd prefer to not mess with nvidia at all but I'm still having the issue that caused me to try to upgrade in the first place, I can't open any video files of any sort w/out X crashing |
| 01:55.03 | cafuego | mabdy: Target market |
| 01:56.02 | TMM | well, I use Ubuntu on my desktop, debian on my servers |
| 01:56.06 | mabdy | ah wel that seems to explain |
| 01:56.08 | cafuego | Same here |
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| 01:56.14 | TMM | Ubuntu server install with a minimal xfce installation |
| 01:56.27 | TMM | debian stable is too old, and debian sid is too broken :P |
| 01:57.01 | mabdy | I thought sid was VERY upto date |
| 01:57.15 | cafuego | mabdy: Yeah, that's precisely what you do NOT want on a server. |
| 01:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | TMM: debian lenny with backports is what you need |
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| 01:58.04 | mabdy | ah just for a desktop |
| 01:58.34 | TMM | jpinx-eeepc, I might do that, but currently I use Ubuntu server as a 'fixed sid' :) I'll go back to Debian once valgrind and some other crap is fixed that I really need. |
| 01:58.41 | mabdy | but with some servers |
| 01:59.00 | cafuego | You run valgrind on your servers? |
| 01:59.09 | DarkJustice | TMM, is there anything else I need to purge other than nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx? |
| 01:59.12 | cafuego | mad |
| 01:59.14 | TMM | cafuego, no, but on my desktop I do, and the one in sid is broken |
| 01:59.28 | cafuego | ah ok :-) |
| 01:59.33 | TMM | DarkJustice, you might want to apt-get install --reinstall your mesa libs . I'll look them up for you if you like |
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| 02:00.16 | DarkJustice | TMM, awesome, that'd be great this thing is, for lack of a better term "lagging".. even the desktop takes forever to load |
| 02:00.22 | cafuego | eyeballs the hole in the wall and decides to go play mason |
| 02:00.31 | mabdy | but however some things just work in ubuntu |
| 02:01.01 | TMM | DarkJustice, apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libosmesa6 |
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| 02:02.27 | DarkJustice | TMM, ok that's running now |
| 02:02.28 | TMM | cafuego, I really can't have broken devel tools on my desktop :P I used Debian stable for a while with newer libraries I needed installed in my homedir, but they grew so many that it was becoming ridiculous :) |
| 02:06.04 | TMM | and, ubuntu server + self installed packages is a pretty decent Debian :P (if you remove the non-free crap ubuntu likes to ship) |
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| 02:06.29 | mabdy | hey what torrents give sid? |
| 02:06.54 | TMM | mabdy, sid doesn't have install media |
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| 02:07.26 | mabdy | so its only from apt? |
| 02:07.40 | TMM | from what I understand, yes |
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| 02:08.40 | DarkJustice | TMM, ok mesa libs done, anything else I should be looking to remove or install? |
| 02:09.06 | TMM | DarkJustice, no, I think this should have reset your system to pre-nvidia fuckery |
| 02:09.23 | TMM | DarkJustice, or 'snuggling' if you were offended by that :P |
| 02:09.42 | DarkJustice | TMM, ok thanks, and lol fuckery is fine. I think I'll skip trying to reinstall nvidia again |
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| 02:10.19 | TMM | DarkJustice, that's ok, go out and get an ATI card :P |
| 02:10.20 | DarkJustice | however, w/out it my watching videos may be at an end |
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| 02:11.11 | mabdy | so I cant setup from a sid from the starrt? |
| 02:11.20 | TMM | DarkJustice, I have no idea how to fix that, you could try #nvidia |
| 02:11.24 | DarkJustice | I wish I could go get a new card, I hear fglrx works well with that |
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| 02:11.48 | TMM | DarkJustice, if you don't need to play Doom3, you can run an HD4870 with completely free drivers, I use that. |
| 02:12.18 | TMM | DarkJustice, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV770 9440) 20090101 TCL DRI2 |
| 02:12.19 | DarkJustice | TMM, nope I just wanna watch movies w/out X taking a crap lol |
| 02:12.37 | TMM | DarkJustice, then an ATI card with the free drivers will give you by FAR the least trouble |
| 02:12.46 | mabdy | just wondering as I have a blanck 40gb drive |
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| 02:13.05 | stew | mabdy: its silly to make sid ISOs since sid changes 4 times a day |
| 02:13.09 | TMM | DarkJustice, be sure to not get an R800 based card though, those are not that well supported yet. And if you just want video, that would be a bit of a misinvestment anyway |
| 02:13.43 | DarkJustice | TMM, well I'm stuck with what I have lol.. I'm living on disability so a vid card isn't even a thought |
| 02:14.05 | mabdy | stew: sure but if one downloa |
| 02:14.21 | TMM | DarkJustice, well, for the next one then :) in the meantime, ask in #nvidia |
| 02:14.29 | mabdy | stew: sure but if one download onnce |
| 02:14.35 | broadring | is there a more detailed log that do the .bash_history's job ? which gives command executing dates and terminal names ...? |
| 02:14.46 | mabdy | stew: sure but if one download once a week opps |
| 02:14.54 | DarkJustice | TMM, thanks a lot for the help, much appreciated |
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| 02:15.29 | TMM | DarkJustice, no problem! and, good luck |
| 02:15.38 | DarkJustice | TMM, thanks :) |
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| 02:17.54 | mabdy | testing is normaly at least 6 months old |
| 02:18.15 | stew | what? |
| 02:18.30 | mabdy | as I understand |
| 02:19.20 | stew | things can end up in testing that are 2 days old |
| 02:20.10 | mabdy | how so? |
| 02:20.39 | stew | if uploaded with 'high' in the urgency field |
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| 02:21.43 | mabdy | ok sure |
| 02:21.53 | cast | broadring: not by default, but come to think of it i'd quite like one |
| 02:22.43 | stew | a lowest urgency gets it there in 10 days unless bugs are holding it up, for the most part |
| 02:23.19 | broadring | cast, what have I to do then ? |
| 02:23.54 | cast | broadring: i'm not sure, perhaps #bash has some ideas |
| 02:24.15 | broadring | ok, thanks |
| 02:24.30 | broadring | but you say that there is not such log by default |
| 02:24.35 | mabdy | so if a bug is found it (the fix ) takes 10 days to show? |
| 02:25.12 | cast | broadring: there isn't |
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| 02:25.40 | broadring | ok I'll try at #bash |
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| 02:33.39 | factor | anyone know where I can grab the amd 690 bios , trying to install debian on a 1tb drive |
| 02:34.02 | nickaugust | hey im already using up a GB of ram after boot... can you guys have a look at this list of processes and tell me if theres anything i shouldnt be running if im not planning on runnign X http://sprunge.us/eLOD |
| 02:35.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | factor: amds website? |
| 02:35.52 | cast | nickaugust: could start up htop and sort by memory usage |
| 02:36.00 | stew | nickaugust: are you including memory used by cache/buffers? |
| 02:36.07 | factor | Kamping_Kaiser, where would be their bios updates, cant find them |
| 02:36.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | factor: then try the motherboard manufactuers website :) |
| 02:36.36 | mabdy | ok lAT3R guys |
| 02:36.51 | nickaugust | cast: ok ill do that now. |
| 02:37.09 | pallgone | why does it take like 5s until a usb device is recognized? |
| 02:37.13 | nickaugust | stew: just what the free command returns... i dont think it includes the cache/buffers |
| 02:37.24 | stew | nickaugust: the first line of free or the second? |
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| 02:38.20 | stew | nickaugust: if you are looking at the first line you should be subtracting the buffers and cached columns (which is what is displayed on the second line) |
| 02:38.24 | nickaugust | stew: ah, the second line says only 56172 is in use |
| 02:38.45 | nickaugust | stew: what does that mean? swap space? |
| 02:38.57 | stew | no, swap is the third line |
| 02:39.15 | stew | nickaugust: the rest can be reclaimed immediately when it is needed, but your os is deciding that instead of just wasting the memory it could put it to better use caching disk pages |
| 02:40.28 | johntramp | TMM: I have played with the display settings and gotten nowhere, then I tried the screen on another machine and it worked fine - so it isn't the display's contrast that is the problem. Could it be the graphics drivers? It is using an ATI Radeon 9600 graphics card |
| 02:41.19 | nickaugust | stew: hmmm.. think is im writing this program that is holding and index in memory that is getting quite large and its filling up my memory.. doest seem to go to swap for some reason. |
| 02:41.34 | nickaugust | s/think/thing |
| 02:42.12 | stew | nickaugust: but this isn't happening right now? |
| 02:42.50 | TMM | johntramp, that is odd, perhaps you should ask in #mesa |
| 02:42.59 | TMM | johntramp, or #xorg |
| 02:43.09 | johntramp | alright, thanks |
| 02:43.13 | TMM | johntramp, #xorg would be better |
| 02:43.15 | nickaugust | stew: only when i run the program :) i just thought that a lot of memory was being used since i dont even run Xwindows... thought i could cut down on some uneeded stuff |
| 02:43.40 | johntramp | TMM: yeah, #mesa is empty ;) |
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| 02:45.57 | cafuego | TMM: I'm lucky; my devel tools are git and php ;-) |
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| 02:46.50 | perlsyntax | Whenis the new debian comeing out? |
| 02:47.13 | stew | perlsyntax: after we git rid of the bugs |
| 02:47.30 | perlsyntax | i was just asking. |
| 02:47.32 | perlsyntax | ;) |
| 02:47.39 | stew | i was just answering |
| 02:47.43 | TMM | cafuego, mine are... euh, eclipse, gcc, valgrind, autotools, systemtap and oprofile :P |
| 02:47.44 | perlsyntax | i know |
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| 02:51.14 | cafuego | TMM: autotools huh |
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| 02:52.54 | TMM | cafuego, yeah, you know... automake, autoconf? :) eclipse has got a pretty decent plugin for it now, the eclipse built system is horrible |
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| 02:57.23 | TMM | cafuego, do you have a problem with the autotools? :) |
| 02:57.27 | peterrooney | the correct answer is... |
| 02:57.37 | peterrooney | !wir |
| 02:57.37 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 02:57.54 | nickaugust | !siyh |
| 02:57.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 02:58.01 | nickaugust | !rsn |
| 02:58.01 | dpkg | somebody said rsn was Real Soon Now (or never) or see <wir> and <siyh> |
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| 03:25.25 | broadring | which application write in .bash_history ? |
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| 04:15.46 | SnakDoc | what should i be looking up for |
| 04:16.14 | SnakDoc | user management on multisystems looking for something like active directory |
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| 04:16.23 | Vutral | hey |
| 04:16.26 | Vutral | ^^ |
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| 04:16.35 | Vutral | i just looked at squid-prefetch package |
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| 04:16.37 | Vutral | it doesnt seem to work ^^ |
| 04:17.07 | Vutral | i made a copy of /usr/sbin/squid-prefetch now |
| 04:17.12 | Vutral | and modified it ^^ |
| 04:17.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !doesn't work |
| 04:17.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 04:17.35 | Vutral | yeah it doesnt work ^^ i ran it |
| 04:17.39 | Vutral | it did not fetch anything ^^ |
| 04:17.41 | pierreghz | :D |
| 04:18.03 | Vutral | well i modified it much ^^ |
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| 04:18.30 | Vutral | it will fetch everything you put in the prefetch patterns now |
| 04:18.34 | Vutral | not only html ^^ |
| 04:18.45 | Vutral | and well i added referers ^^ |
| 04:18.55 | Vutral | since i noticed some pages check for them |
| 04:19.18 | Vutral | i just was wondering if someone could check that squid-prefetch package ^^ |
| 04:19.27 | Vutral | i dont think it works for other people too good ^^ |
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| 04:20.29 | Vutral | i looked at the STDERR stuff |
| 04:20.37 | Vutral | it did not return result codes ^^ |
| 04:20.56 | Vutral | because the $code variable is scoped local into an eval |
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| 04:21.22 | Vutral | so the lines which come later in the file wont be able to ever check $code ^^ |
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| 04:22.02 | Vutral | i talk about debian 5.0.5 |
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| 04:33.39 | yardleydobon | My profile sets PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH". This seems like a security risk to me. |
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| 04:37.28 | yardleydobon | For example, someone could put a malicious script named su or sudo in ~/bin. |
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| 04:40.51 | stew | yardleydobon: are there people that have write access to your ~/bin directory? (that don't also have write access to your ~ directory) |
| 04:41.10 | stew | since if they have access to your ~ directory, they effectively get to change you PATH anyway |
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| 04:50.34 | cast | i notice xfs has xfs_freeze, does ext3 have anything similar? [or can one get by fine without] |
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| 04:51.29 | cafuego | oen can get by just fine without it |
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| 04:53.20 | talcite | hey guys. I've got a server 600km away that just went down and didn't come back up. Unfortunately, it's just a desktop box and didn't come with the handy remote management console. Is there anything I can do so in the future I'll have remote power control and remote console? |
| 04:53.41 | cast | cafuego: all the time, or just most of the time? |
| 04:54.35 | DanDare | talcite, power control to restart energy ? |
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| 04:54.57 | cafuego | cast: why would you need it? |
| 04:55.20 | talcite | DanDare: err, what do you mean by restart energy? I'd like to be able to power cycle the server like I can on the machines with proper management consoles |
| 04:55.27 | Stercus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.32 | DanDare | talcite, this is OT can we talk PM ? |
| 04:55.36 | cafuego | /leave #sed |
| 04:55.44 | talcite | DanDare: sure thing |
| 04:55.58 | cast | cafuego: well, i want to break off a submirror from an active system, but i want that submirror to be in a consistent |
| 04:56.13 | cafuego | cast: lvm snapshot? |
| 04:56.20 | stew | talcite: perhaps /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 04:56.51 | cafuego | cast: Can't say I've ever had problems, but I;ve not done it on say a live mysql server |
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| 04:59.27 | talcite | stew: ah this is interesting. Thanks for the heads up |
| 05:00.49 | Raptors | Hey guys is there a way to check boot speed? |
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| 05:01.46 | Raptors | like a piece of software |
| 05:01.49 | stew | Raptors: look at the bootchart packages |
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| 05:04.04 | Raptors | stew, does that slow down the boot? |
| 05:04.09 | Raptors | by a lot |
| 05:04.21 | cast | cafuego: hmm, might just snapshot :) |
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| 05:06.20 | stew | Raptors: i don't know |
| 05:06.26 | Raptors | kk |
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| 05:07.31 | stew | Raptors: i wouldn't picture it as something that you leave on all the time. something that you use to figure out where you might be able to make some improvements, make them or not, then get rid of it |
| 05:08.13 | Killswit1h | !dpkg rar |
| 05:08.13 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 archives (the most common archive version), use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 archives. Install the rar package to create archives. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 05:10.03 | stew | dpkg: rar = |
| 05:10.04 | dpkg | stew: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:10.06 | stew | `err |
| 05:10.18 | Killswit1h | lol |
| 05:11.08 | stew | dpkg: rar =~ s/, or the worst archive format ever// |
| 05:11.09 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 05:11.16 | stew | dpkg: rar =~ s/Install the rar package to create archives/Install the rar package to create archives, though read the license, you might need to pay money to to this./ |
| 05:11.16 | dpkg | stew: that's too long |
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| 05:18.53 | stew | (fixed in PM) |
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| 05:47.19 | SonOfA | Real Time Frequency Modulation |
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| 05:48.38 | sanzilla | halo world! |
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| 05:49.12 | sanzilla | G_O_D1: I love you. |
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| 05:50.46 | Pumpkin | Can anyone give me a hand? I am trying to do the simple process of assigning debian a static LAN ip, it wasn't obeying it on the server, I also tried setting it on the router with dhcp but debian still uses 192.168.1.80 |
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| 05:51.47 | sanzilla | looks like you need to down the DHCP server on the router. |
| 05:52.05 | sanzilla | but before you doing it make sure you have another DHCP server is up. |
| 05:53.01 | Pumpkin | ah right, well I already tried rebooting the DHCP before I came here |
| 05:53.43 | sanzilla | there cannot be two DHCP servers , make sure you disable the router's one. |
| 05:54.25 | Pumpkin | oh right. |
| 05:54.30 | dutchfish | sanzilla: sure there can ve more then 1 dhcp server in a network, but you have to make sure, that there is only 1 per subnet |
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| 05:56.16 | sanzilla | when you disable the router's DHCP server then to enable it again you probablly need to restart the router.so backup your passwords before doing it. |
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| 05:56.51 | sanzilla | in the case of failure. |
| 05:58.30 | tsccof | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060210200560/uncyclopedia/images/3/30/Rms-blob.jpg |
| 05:59.13 | sanzilla | do not attack other religons ! |
| 06:00.52 | Pumpkin | beauty, got it all working |
| 06:00.56 | Pumpkin | thanks for the help :) |
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| 06:01.54 | sanzilla | my pleasure |
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| 06:19.43 | dutchfish | is update-rc.d working and how to use use it ones i have created the LSB fields for a given dependecy based boot sequence on my init.d/script? |
| 06:20.27 | dutchfish | (debian/squeeze) |
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| 06:22.40 | dutchfish | i have read http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot but it doesnt tell how to use it |
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| 06:27.48 | dutchfish | what i need is starting my own daemon ones mysql and the network is up |
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| 06:34.47 | reklipz | I'm looking for some help in getting creating an asound conf supporting dmix and ac3 upconverting for my media box. Does anyone have any references in this area that I could look at? Searching Google didn't return much for me, and I'm not the best at cranking out lines of asound conf. |
| 06:35.55 | dutchfish | reklipz: you mean like transcoding media? |
| 06:37.09 | reklipz | dutchfish: I mean like playing a audio from two different processes and having them encoded in AC3/DTS and sent over the SPDI/F cable to my receiver. |
| 06:38.45 | dutchfish | reklipz: you could encode a stream (or more streams into one) with ffmpeg and hand it to SPDI/F |
| 06:40.19 | dutchfish | reklipz: i have read ongoing efforts to make this happen in minidlna on sf, you could delve into its forum |
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| 06:41.51 | reklipz | dutchfish: Right, but I'm talking about my system here, not a user space application type process. It's not one off, it's forever, in my system (via kernel modules, alsa). e.g. I'm playing some video which has an ac3 encoded audio stream (say a dvd). normally, this would just use AC3 passthrough and get sent right to the spdi/f port. However, let's say I have... skype installed, and someone makes a phone call while I'm watching said mo |
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| 06:42.33 | reklipz | Perhaps that's what the project is doing and I am just misunderstanding you, I don't know. |
| 06:42.43 | dutchfish | reklipz: you can hand more then one source to alsa through its mixer |
| 06:43.10 | reklipz | dutchfish: right. |
| 06:43.15 | reklipz | I have that working |
| 06:43.20 | reklipz | on my desktop currently |
| 06:43.34 | reklipz | it upconverts everything to 48KHz |
| 06:43.56 | reklipz | but, how can I have it do that, and encode say a stereo source into 5.1 channel AC3? |
| 06:44.09 | reklipz | and also mix that with some other surround sound source playing? |
| 06:44.25 | dutchfish | reklipz: so i gues its up to the other userapp (skype) to do that, if a userprocess cant handle conversion, you need something else. |
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| 06:44.43 | reklipz | it's not at the userapp level where this takes place |
| 06:45.00 | dutchfish | reklipz: so, then you need transcoding as a stream |
| 06:46.16 | dutchfish | reklipz: mixing sound can be done out of the box, but for transcoding you need to pipe the output through a thing like ffmepg |
| 06:47.07 | reklipz | I see. Does this work through the standard plugin architecture? |
| 06:47.19 | reklipz | Or how does one go about that. |
| 06:48.45 | dutchfish | reklipz: i may be overasked now, but what pops in my mind is that is sounds very simular as playing lossless files as mp3-output out of a mediaserver like minidlna |
| 06:49.57 | reklipz | thanks dutchfish |
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| 06:50.03 | reklipz | perhaps there just is no solution as of now |
| 06:50.25 | dutchfish | reklipz: it can be done, but it might be hard |
| 06:50.27 | reklipz | Wait, Plugin: IEC958This plugin converts 32bit IEC958 subframe samples to linear, or linear to 32bit IEC958 subframe samples. |
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| 06:55.01 | dutchfish | reklipz: aplay can handle IEC958, have you tried that? |
| 06:55.08 | reklipz | looks like i need to use JACK |
| 06:55.21 | reklipz | as it enables the on the fly transcoding |
| 06:55.51 | dutchfish | reklipz: i have no idee if jack can do that, but it is worth a shot |
| 06:56.33 | reklipz | it can apparently |
| 06:57.01 | reklipz | ac3jack - realtime ac-3 stream encoder for jack |
| 06:57.12 | reklipz | damn, lookie the rabbit hole I got myself into now. |
| 06:57.20 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 06:58.20 | reklipz | Yay! I fixed flash audio too. |
| 06:58.30 | reklipz | By using dmix. |
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| 07:31.43 | crashanddie | Hi guys, maybe I'm being thick here, but I have a fresh debian stable install, and all the repos I select seem to be failing. It's always the lenny/updates/main/source/Sources file that seems to not work. |
| 07:33.12 | codingrobot | crashanddie: try another mirror |
| 07:33.24 | crashanddie | I've tried a dozen |
| 07:33.35 | codingrobot | what error do you get? |
| 07:33.45 | cahoot | crashanddie: if you put your sources.list on a pastebin for scrutiny? |
| 07:33.54 | crashanddie | sure |
| 07:36.08 | crashanddie | http://paste.debian.net/86315 |
| 07:36.53 | codingrobot | try with http:// instead of ftp |
| 07:37.10 | bzed | or use a different mirror |
| 07:37.29 | bzed | I doubt you'll get different/better files whith a different protocol |
| 07:38.28 | codingrobot | (we don't know the exact error) It could be some network problem preventing ftp. |
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| 07:39.19 | crashanddie | codingrobot: here's the error: http://paste.debian.net/86316 |
| 07:39.52 | codingrobot | ok, you get 404 there |
| 07:40.02 | codingrobot | just try over http |
| 07:40.53 | codingrobot | oh, they probaly don't have deb-src for lenny/updates |
| 07:41.20 | codingrobot | do you really need the src packages? |
| 07:41.41 | crashanddie | hardly, it's a vanilla install, so I didn't touch anything yet |
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| 07:42.17 | crashanddie | codingrobot: yup, that was it |
| 07:43.32 | crashanddie | thanks guys |
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| 07:51.57 | Raptors | Hey guys is there any way to watch HQ NFL.com videos that needs "Akamai NetSession" on linux? |
| 07:52.03 | Raptors | They don't seem to have a linux client :( |
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| 07:56.26 | Raptors | doesn't look like there is a way :( |
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| 07:58.25 | angel-tsankov | how do I change the default desktop environment |
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| 07:59.28 | Raptors | Install another DE and on login there is a button in the toolbar at the bottom to change the DE |
| 08:00.14 | fxiny | angel-tsankov: what are you using now ? |
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| 08:01.03 | angel-tsankov | GNOME |
| 08:01.25 | angel-tsankov | Raptors: do I install anotehr DE via synaptics |
| 08:01.25 | Raptors | What DE do you want to install?> |
| 08:01.31 | Raptors | What DE do you want to install? |
| 08:01.34 | angel-tsankov | KDE |
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| 08:02.17 | fxiny | angel-tsankov: right , gnome uses gdm as a graphical login manager , you can switch desktop by pulling down gdm menu |
| 08:02.55 | djura-san | _o/ |
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| 08:09.23 | Raptors | angel-tsankov, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/index.html |
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| 08:10.42 | Raptors | angel-tsankov, what are debian are you running? |
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| 08:12.25 | Raptors | if you want standard kde you can do "sudo aptitude install kde-standard" if you want basic then "sudo aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop" |
| 08:13.10 | Raptors | if you want netbook edition "sudo aptitude install kde-plasma-netbook" |
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| 08:21.11 | Raptors | hey guys how do I enable webgl? |
| 08:21.16 | Raptors | in chromium |
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| 08:34.01 | fxiny | win shr 5 |
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| 08:45.29 | Aprogas | I would like my dhclient to send its hostname to the dhcpd so that the dhcpd can do a dynamic DNS update. I would also like to only have to specify the hostname in /etc/hostname and not also in dhclient.conf. I am at loss how to do this. Ubuntu and FreeBSD seems to send their hostname by default, I cannot find where this behaviour of dhclient is overriden by Debian. |
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| 08:47.57 | bzed | Aprogas: actually I've never had any problems with that, using the default settings |
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| 08:48.15 | bzed | Aprogas: are you sure that your DNS updates work? |
| 08:49.00 | Aprogas | I run this Debian inside VirtualBox. The Ubuntu and FreeBSD in the VirtualBox do update the DNS, but neither have a dhclient.conf or dhclient-exit-hooks, so they are running on defaults. |
| 08:49.19 | Aprogas | So yes, my DNS updates do work. I guess I should increase loglevel verbosity to see what is going on. |
| 08:50.27 | bzed | yeah |
| 08:50.29 | Aprogas | I tried moving the default Debian dhclient.conf to dhclient.conf.default to see if any settings there meddled with the dynamic DNS. |
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| 08:51.18 | Aprogas | I haven't touched this Debian vbox in half a year, maybe I once did some wicked things to it, and maybe I should just reinstall fresh. |
| 08:51.28 | Aprogas | Seems like that would be less effort than go hunting in logfiles. |
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| 08:58.46 | cast | if i have a file with a hard disk image in it, say with 4 partitions, how do i mount those partitions? losetup and then...all i can think if is a not very friendly dmsetup method |
| 09:02.08 | cast | ahh i could also use the offset option to losetup |
| 09:02.18 | johntramp | hi, i am having troubles with xorg. I can startx fine as root, but as user with the same ~/.xinitrc file I only get a blank screen. So I assume it is a problem somewhere with permissions, but i can't find out what |
| 09:02.53 | johntramp | i have looked in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file but dont see any errors |
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| 09:03.30 | fxiny | johntramp: is your home full ? |
| 09:03.52 | johntramp | fxiny: no, this is a new install |
| 09:04.55 | fxiny | johntramp: squeeze ? |
| 09:04.59 | johntramp | yes |
| 09:05.24 | fxiny | johntramp: i'm just upgrading it :) |
| 09:05.38 | fxiny | we'll see what in few minutes |
| 09:05.57 | johntramp | ah, i am being told "no protocol specified" over and over again |
| 09:06.39 | noromoku | hello |
| 09:06.41 | noromoku | :) |
| 09:07.12 | fxiny | johntramp: why .xinitrc and not .xsession ? |
| 09:07.30 | pallgone | ,info kpartx |
| 09:07.31 | judd | kpartx (admin, extra): create device mappings for partitions. Version: 0.4.8-14+lenny2; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 136k |
| 09:07.51 | pallgone | ^ cast |
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| 09:08.16 | johntramp | fxiny: i have always used xinitrc, no reason why |
| 09:08.19 | pallgone | cast: haven't tried it myself... |
| 09:08.30 | johntramp | i have not used debian for long |
| 09:08.36 | johntramp | is that the way i should be doing it |
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| 09:09.52 | fxiny | !xsession |
| 09:09.52 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 09:10.54 | Aprogas | bzed: http://pastie.org/private/jglgcfqpxxu0eexlqunpsw snippet of logs comparing how the logs of a FreeBSD client changing its hostname from vboxfreebsd to vmfreebsd, and a Debian client seemingly sending no hostname. |
| 09:11.27 | Aprogas | My named logs indicate that named isn't even contacted by dhcpd when the Debian client requests a lease, while it is contacted for FreeBSD and Ubuntu. |
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| 09:15.10 | Aprogas | I give up, I'm just going to explicitly specify a send host-name, even though it is already in /etc/hostname |
| 09:15.35 | Aprogas | I have spent 2 hours on trying to figure out what was going on, rather than just doing what I was going to do. |
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| 09:17.34 | johntramp | fxiny: i have the same problem with xsesion |
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| 09:19.08 | fxiny | johntramp: not finished yet , i'm checking what the dreadful grub2 is doing to my system |
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| 09:21.31 | fxiny | johntramp: i'll eat two dozens raw red slugs if grub2 touches my hda mbr ,i'm on hdb and i forgot to back it up |
| 09:23.02 | johntramp | i coulnt figure out how to use grub2, so still have grub1 |
| 09:23.18 | fxiny | i don't want any grub2 nor ext4 |
| 09:23.47 | fxiny | i'm just checking squeeze on a spare partition/install |
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| 09:24.30 | fxiny | i am a stable person . grub2 and ext4 in one go are too much |
| 09:25.59 | fxiny | now squeeze is fighting with my pam config edited files ;) |
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| 09:26.29 | johntramp | how often do you update? |
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| 09:27.35 | fxiny | i tell you what : if a user has to go through all this grub2 and ext4 reading , he might even think to play with something else new like some bsd* flavour |
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| 09:28.04 | johntramp | is that a bad thing? |
| 09:28.14 | fxiny | which is s*^32 cause can't write to ext3 |
| 09:29.04 | fxiny | johntramp: it depends what the user does , a point a click user swallows anything , i do not like clicking around |
| 09:29.05 | johntramp | ah, well i just did aptitude full-upgrade and now xorg works |
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| 09:29.57 | fxiny | johntramp: squeeze now detecting my postfix configs |
| 09:30.01 | fxiny | so fas so good |
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| 09:30.04 | fxiny | far* |
| 09:30.19 | cast | fxiny: then miss apt and come back :) |
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| 09:31.42 | fxiny | cast: i'm not jocking : why should i learn new cli/lins/settings for doing the same old things instead of driving a new car ? i'm upgrading to squeeze to find that out |
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| 09:32.06 | johntramp | i was talking to a friend who also uses debian and he was calling me a fool for regularly doing full system upgrades, whereas he will just go through and individually upgrade any packages he wants to have updated |
| 09:32.19 | fxiny | too much changes in one go are always bad |
| 09:32.43 | johntramp | but regularly doing full-upgrade shouldn't be? |
| 09:32.50 | cast | so you think instead of a few changes, you want to change everything instead? |
| 09:32.54 | cast | each to their own. |
| 09:33.05 | cast | we need change otherwise we stagnate |
| 09:33.06 | fxiny | now i'm accepting all new mantainer configs |
| 09:33.31 | cast | and squeeze isn't even released yet! if you don't want change then stay with lenny. |
| 09:33.38 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
| 09:33.40 | Wooga | hello, can i get anywhere list of supported by debian Compact Flash wifi cards ? |
| 09:33.58 | fxiny | cast: why ? i want to see how good is the upgrade |
| 09:34.11 | johntramp | cast: that is what i said, as he is also using sid |
| 09:34.19 | fxiny | which is something debian does better then anyone else |
| 09:34.26 | cast | fxiny: i'm not sure what you're whining about then ;P you want a change, you get a change! |
| 09:34.41 | fxiny | cast: i don't like grub2 and ext4 |
| 09:34.52 | cast | so don't use them. |
| 09:35.02 | fxiny | exactly |
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| 09:41.56 | Wulf | Hello |
| 09:42.05 | Wulf | how can I set the keyboard repeat rate in xorg? |
| 09:42.33 | Wulf | I tried adding XKBAUTOREPEAT="250 30" in /etc/default/keyboard, but it has no effect |
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| 09:53.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Wulf: did you try xset ? |
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| 09:57.09 | Wulf | jpinx-eeepc: that works, but is not persistent. |
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| 09:58.25 | doctorm | hi |
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| 10:04.22 | Wulf | any other suggestions? |
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| 10:06.37 | petemc | Wulf: put the xset command in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 10:08.16 | petemc | or possibly ~/.xsession, depending on how you start x |
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| 10:08.59 | Wulf | I was hoping for a system wide setting :/ |
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| 10:09.29 | pallgone | Wulf: are you on gnome? |
| 10:09.36 | Wulf | icewm |
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| 10:10.27 | pallgone | Wulf: xset r rate 200 50 |
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| 10:10.51 | pallgone | Wulf: put that into .xsessionrc |
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| 10:12.15 | pallgone | or use from the terminal to play around with the values |
| 10:12.31 | mne | Hi. I removed nutd which is why the initscript /etc/init.d/ups-monitor no longer exists. Yet pm-suspend still tries to call this script: "/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/95ups-monitor suspend suspend:invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ups-monitor not found." Do you know how I can stop pm-suspend to call that script ? |
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| 10:13.28 | pallgone | Wulf: maybe another way would be to define it in xorg.conf |
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| 10:13.39 | Wulf | pallgone: tried this, didn't have any effect |
| 10:13.55 | mne | woops, my bad, the answer is right there ! :) I removed the scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d but it still exists in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d |
| 10:14.27 | fxiny | johntramp: squeeze upgraded half done , start X loads fluxbox ok |
| 10:14.44 | pallgone | Wulf: well then use the other method... I've always did it like that |
| 10:14.52 | mne | still, isn't it strange that configuration scripts for power management are stored in /usr/lib/pm/<something> instead in /etc/pm/<something> ?? |
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| 10:14.59 | fxiny | and grub2 stays on hdb out of my way , so far so good , doing a full-upgrade |
| 10:15.36 | johntramp | fireba11: yeah it is working for me now, i have no idea what the problem was. - why is it taking you so long to update? |
| 10:15.43 | fxiny | X works fine . screen resoultion ok |
| 10:16.09 | Wulf | it works with .xsessionrc, but it's not the solution I really want |
| 10:16.15 | Wulf | maybe I should open a bug report |
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| 10:17.17 | fxiny | cat > xsession exec fluxbox |
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| 10:17.49 | fxiny | one problem : can't resolve to the debian repo after acccepting all mantainers config |
| 10:18.03 | pallgone | Wulf: I don't think that this is a bug, why should it be? |
| 10:18.21 | fxiny | could be dnsmasq new config |
| 10:18.45 | Wulf | pallgone: there once was a way to make this setting system wide. After lots of changes, it seems to stop working and I'm unable to find documentation on how to do it nowadays. |
| 10:19.16 | fxiny | anyay : one improvement from etch2lenny is X/screen resolution |
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| 10:20.34 | pallgone | Wulf: maybe it has to be done with hal somehow, I think archlinux has some good docu about that |
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| 10:21.48 | pallgone | hmm, or maybe not... |
| 10:22.42 | fxiny | right : doing the aptitude full-upgrade , it seems you damned hackers have done it right again ! :) |
| 10:22.55 | not_david | i have a minor annoyance with apt 7.25 on squeeze not wanting to '(auto)clean' previously downloaded packages. any help would be appreciated. |
| 10:23.55 | fxiny | is just a flux box , trying some heavy DE later |
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| 10:24.29 | fxiny | not bad not bad . aptitude works flawlessly |
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| 10:24.57 | caraconan | Hi. Could somebody confirm to me if eth0:1 interface (see http://pastebin.com/36ba327d) is a bridge? |
| 10:24.59 | fxiny | still i don't want grub2 and i'm happy with it |
| 10:25.39 | Wulf | caraconan: that is the long obsolete format for device alias, not related to bridges. |
| 10:25.50 | fxiny | it boots much faster into X |
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| 10:26.38 | caraconan | Wulf could you explain it briefly? |
| 10:26.48 | caraconan | please... :) |
| 10:27.12 | Wulf | caraconan: it's used to assign a second ip address to an interface. I suggest that you use the `ip addr add' command instead of device aliases |
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| 10:28.51 | caraconan | ok, and what is the different between this scenario and configure a bridge? |
| 10:29.01 | Wulf | it's not related. |
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| 10:34.42 | sphenxes | I am using postfix (on lenny), how can I know whether postfix is compiled with sasl or not? i have read about command ldd postconf -h daemon_directory /stmpd. but i don't know where is the daemon dir. Any suggestion please |
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| 10:36.28 | bzed | sphenxes: ldd /usr/sbin/postfix|grep sasl |
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| 10:36.41 | sphenxes | bzed thanks |
| 10:37.00 | bzed | sphenxes: and to answer your question: of course it is |
| 10:37.27 | fxiny | sound works ! |
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| 10:37.42 | fxiny | too much |
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| 10:41.59 | fxiny | this is nice : localpurge |
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| 10:47.12 | greenmang0 | hello friends, the current version of collectd available in debian stable is 4.4.2 (which was released in 2008) ... |
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| 10:47.26 | greenmang0 | collectd 4.4.2 is already running on my debian stable |
| 10:47.48 | greenmang0 | i just checked that collectd 4.10 is available in debian testing repo |
| 10:48.18 | greenmang0 | will the installaion of 4.10 on stable using apt-pinning create any problems? |
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| 11:17.57 | dfdf | hi, in fluxbox alt-f2 gives you a run program prompt, so if i use something like urxvt -hold -e bash -c "ls" opens a term runs ls and waits for me to close the window, can i make this close itself after a delay? |
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| 11:19.26 | amphi | dfdf: get rid of the -hold & do -e bash -c "ls; sleep 5" or whatever |
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| 11:20.21 | dfdf | amphi, cool thanks |
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| 11:42.09 | fxiny | chipset detected fine |
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| 12:19.02 | macondo_ | hi, i'm using squeeze and wanna try kernel 2.6.35 which is en Experimental, do i change my sources.list to experrimental, update and install the kernel, OR use apt-pinning for this? |
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| 12:19.51 | maligor | macondo_, I really don't recommend mixing squeeze and experimental |
| 12:19.57 | moldovean | no , just wget it , and install dpkg -i "it" |
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| 12:20.34 | macondo_ | thanks, guys! |
| 12:21.08 | moldovean | macondo_, but first need to "it" linux-base (.35) |
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| 12:21.58 | macondo_ | maybe i'll move to Sid to make easier... |
| 12:22.07 | moldovean | macondo_, NO |
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| 12:22.28 | macondo_ | why not? |
| 12:22.29 | maligor | Only if you know how to fix a completely broken system |
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| 12:22.38 | maligor | Things break in sid quite often |
| 12:22.56 | maligor | And this channel won't help you with it |
| 12:23.46 | macondo_ | I understand, i'm on suicide mission, just trying everything, my ultimate goal is to go back to Lenny, after whatever disaster happens |
| 12:24.25 | macondo_ | sicko, huh? |
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| 12:28.17 | moldovean | macondo_, than do so , install 'debootstrap' , and run a. debootstrap lenny lenny b. debootstrap squeeze squeeze c. debootstrap sid sid , than use chroot to do what you want in lenny/ , squeeze/ and sid/ directories |
| 12:28.39 | moldovean | gah .. |
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| 12:30.33 | jpinx-eeepc | moldovean: you wanna parse that again? ;) |
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| 12:32.05 | moldovean | jpinx-eeepc, smt wrong ? |
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| 12:44.17 | Peyman | hi dudes, I'm trying to install my nVidia driver, but it fails. |
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| 12:44.49 | Peyman | debian wiki says run "uname -r" to inform what is your kernel |
| 12:45.08 | Peyman | result is: 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
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| 12:45.30 | moldovean | too old use newer |
| 12:45.31 | Peyman | "trunk" makes other steps fail |
| 12:45.40 | Peyman | what can i do? |
| 12:45.49 | moldovean | Peyman, ^^ |
| 12:46.05 | pallgone | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.06 | Peyman | moldovean, i don't understand. what is too old? |
| 12:46.14 | Peyman | pallgone, yep |
| 12:46.18 | moldovean | Peyman, the kernel |
| 12:46.38 | Peyman | moldovean, how can i make it newer? |
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| 12:46.44 | Peyman | i'm on testing... |
| 12:46.46 | moldovean | install it |
| 12:47.04 | moldovean | aptitude update |
| 12:47.08 | Peyman | moldovean, isn't it risky? |
| 12:47.15 | moldovean | no |
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| 12:47.29 | moldovean | , kernels |
| 12:47.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 12:48.25 | Tadej | hello |
| 12:48.25 | Tadej | how can I check wich is the latest version of amavis in apt for debian lenny? |
| 12:48.44 | abrotman | Tadej: packages.debian.org/amavis .. there will be a 'stable' or 'lenny' listing |
| 12:48.52 | pallgone | Peyman: i think the wiki is wrong about nvidia... |
| 12:49.15 | ShishKabab | Hi. What could be the cause of SSH slowing down on a server? I've looked and there aren't any processes consuming too much CPU time or having many open connections, but the is about a half a second delay between my typing and when its displayed. |
| 12:49.21 | Peyman | pallgone, ??? |
| 12:50.03 | pallgone | Peyman: it's called "nvidia-kernel-195.36.24" for the lastest drivers |
| 12:50.23 | pallgone | depends if your card is supported by those |
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| 12:50.33 | pallgone | otherwise you have to take the correct legacy package |
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| 12:51.14 | pallgone | the kernel version is not in the package name |
| 12:52.26 | abrotman | ShishKabab: could be a netowrk issue, like dropped packets |
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| 12:53.16 | pallgone | Peyman: and yes, upgrading before that is a good idea |
| 12:53.17 | cheche | I have this error on debian squezee Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" I am using nvidia driver |
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| 12:53.26 | fxiny | moldovean cahoot: solved : found the error by running mplayer in xterm , "no video support" . went back through upgrades saved notes : "required firmware files may be missing" full of radeon lines , mine was not there but i installed firmware-linux-nonfree anyway . it builed up an initram . after rebooting i can play full screen |
| 12:54.03 | Peyman | pallgone, how can i upgrade? |
| 12:54.59 | jelly-home | Tadej: you'll be looking for amavisd-new |
| 12:55.02 | pallgone | Peyman: if you want to bring everything up to date: aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 12:56.02 | Peyman | pallgone, is it possible for me to remove linux-heards-2.6.32-trunk-.. and install linux-headers-2.6.32-5...? |
| 12:56.34 | pallgone | Peyman: yeah, first install the new kernel reboot and start it... then remove the old kernel |
| 12:56.56 | Peyman | pallgone, do you think it will fix my problem? |
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| 12:57.09 | pallgone | Peyman: what problem? nvidia? |
| 12:57.14 | Peyman | pallgone, yes |
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| 12:57.46 | fxiny | what's the squeeze aptitude kde and gnome short install ? i want to check both |
| 12:57.47 | pallgone | Peyman: hmm... you will still have to install the nvidia-kernel.... package |
| 12:57.59 | fxiny | kde-standard is too much |
| 12:58.12 | Peyman | pallgone, aha :) tnx a lot dude :) |
| 12:58.20 | pallgone | Peyman: np |
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| 12:59.11 | ShishKabab | abrotman: I can't see any dropped packets when I monitor the connection with Wireshark. |
| 13:00.08 | abrotman | mtr ? |
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| 13:07.35 | ShishKabab | abrotman: How do I use that? If I do mtr <server_ip> it displays an empty list. |
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| 13:07.52 | abrotman | oh duh .. nevermind .. it does hops |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | just ping would be enough |
| 13:08.08 | XO | Hello all. How can I check which OS ( 32 bit or 64 bit ) debian is running? |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | XO: dpkg-architecture |
| 13:09.43 | XO | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:09.55 | abrotman | the first line gives the arch |
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| 13:11.49 | XO | yes. i got that. |
| 13:13.18 | ShishKabab | abrotman: No packet loss, but a very high ping time on average 210 ms. Strange... |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | on your LAN? |
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| 13:15.31 | ShishKabab | No, it's a remote server. denboer-ims.nl . |
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| 13:18.10 | rvsjoen | I need to update a very old box, (when lenny was still sid), and when I do aptitude update it whines about public key not being available and to try and run apt-get update, which doesn't help. any ideas how I can fix that |
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| 13:19.15 | karme | rvsjoen: man apt-key |
| 13:19.15 | abrotman | rvsjoen: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | (and lenny wasn't really ever sid) |
| 13:19.36 | rvsjoen | oh, then I dont know, /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | rvsjoen: what is uname -r and dpkg -l libc6 ? |
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| 13:20.37 | rvsjoen | libc6 is 2.6.1-1+b1, uname -r is 2.6.22 but custom compiled |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | ShishKabab: i'm getting packet loss to that system |
| 13:20.51 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 13:20.53 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; sid: 2.11.2-2; squeeze: 2.11.2-2 |
| 13:20.55 | rvsjoen | and I cat copy paste atm |
| 13:20.59 | rvsjoen | *cant |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | rvsjoen: do your sources point at lenny? |
| 13:21.08 | ShishKabab | abrotman: Can you see where? |
| 13:21.20 | rvsjoen | I tried pointing them to stable and then to testing |
| 13:21.47 | abrotman | ShishKabab: http://paste.debian.net/86342/ |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | rvsjoen: you want to point them at lenny |
| 13:21.58 | rvsjoen | deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 13:22.01 | slackerr | hi all. have a trouble with lastest pidgin on squeeze. at startup it cant connect, freezes with "waiting for connection" msg. but when uncheck all accounts in account list then checking again it will work fine and right now |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | rvsjoen: you want to point them at lenny |
| 13:22.33 | rvsjoen | ok,i'll try that |
| 13:22.37 | abrotman | slackerr: try using -f |
| 13:23.21 | rvsjoen | still the same problem though, do I have to add the key somehow ? |
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| 13:23.49 | abrotman | rvsjoen: aptitude update && aptitude install debian-keyring && aptitude update && apt-get update |
| 13:23.51 | slackerr | abrotman: ha! its works! |
| 13:23.57 | rvsjoen | aptitude update fails |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | slackerr: you're using pidgin and not using network-manager |
| 13:24.05 | abrotman | rvsjoen: fails or throws a warning ? |
| 13:24.15 | slackerr | abrotman: thanks! im using wicd |
| 13:24.23 | rvsjoen | W: GPG error, oh, I guess thats a warning |
| 13:24.28 | slackerr | wifi connection to access point |
| 13:24.31 | abrotman | slackerr: ISTR there's an optoin in the settings somewhere |
| 13:24.35 | abrotman | rvsjoen: right |
| 13:24.56 | rvsjoen | alright, i'll give that a go, thankws |
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| 13:25.45 | ShishKabab | abrotman: Interesting. I've just sent another 110 ping packets and I still don't see any packet loss. Also, I can't reach / ping vl432.dcata-b16.as6724.net. Isn't that something specific to your ISP? (just guessing) |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | ShishKabab: that's 8 hops from me ... might be on my route, but it's not my ISP |
| 13:26.27 | abrotman | erm .. 12 hops ? |
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| 13:28.20 | abrotman | ShishKabab: i was using mtr-tiny to do that |
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| 13:29.52 | apt_get | Hi |
| 13:30.22 | apt_get | Can I chroot a 64bit debootstrap if my own kernel is 32bits? |
| 13:30.46 | ShishKabab | abrotman: Yes, I'm doing a raw traceroute now, and none of the first 30 hops respond, so that's probably why mtr shows an empty list here. |
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| 13:31.52 | cast | apt_get: no. |
| 13:32.10 | apt_get | hmm |
| 13:32.14 | apt_get | its a bad thing |
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| 13:34.52 | cast | we should have 64bit livecds |
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| 13:35.16 | BlackFate | cast, there are |
| 13:35.32 | BlackFate | cast, http://live.debian.net/ |
| 13:35.39 | cast | i know :) |
| 13:36.45 | bzed | apt_get: the first step of debootstrap should run trough without problems, that *might* be enough to boot a system. |
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| 13:37.45 | bzed | apt_get: http://sanmai.livejournal.com/781722.html < for example... |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | is the hardware it's running on 64bit? |
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| 13:39.28 | apt_get | thanks |
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| 13:41.57 | ShishKabab | abrotman: Anyway, thanks for trying to help me! |
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| 13:43.01 | anddam | hello |
| 13:44.54 | abioticrhyme | anddam hello |
| 13:45.04 | anddam | can I uninstall a package and all dependencies that were installed for that package? |
| 13:45.30 | anddam | actually I wanted to install a webserver in a small vm but choose "web server" in tasksel, this lead to apache being installed |
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| 13:45.39 | anddam | while I want to use either lighttpd or nginx |
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| 13:46.35 | anddam | can tasksel uninstall stuff? |
| 13:46.39 | abioticrhyme | I am not sure I think you will need to remove appache and install the other one you are wanting to install |
| 13:46.49 | rudi_s_ | anddam: Sure, just uninstall it. aptitude remove <packagename> |
| 13:46.57 | abioticrhyme | just apt-get remove apache2 |
| 13:47.24 | anddam | I was wondering about all packages that came with "web server" option of tasksel |
| 13:47.32 | rudi_s_ | anddam: But if you just started it, I would recommend a reinstall and don't select anything in the installation page. This will install a very basic system and you can install everything you need. |
| 13:47.46 | anddam | rudi_s_: that's what I was wondering |
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| 13:48.03 | anddam | anyway cleaning and reinstalling seems somehow "wrong" |
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| 13:48.12 | anddam | can I get a list of packages for a tasksel entry? |
| 13:48.38 | abioticrhyme | rudi_s_ could he not just run apt-get purge packagename ? |
| 13:48.58 | rudi_s_ | anddam: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 13:48.58 | anddam | I just run sudo tasksel and un-selected web server, I have 15 package less now |
| 13:49.01 | anddam | packages* |
| 13:49.11 | pallgone | anddam: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 13:49.13 | rudi_s_ | abioticrhyme: Sure, but for that he needs all the packages installed. |
| 13:49.18 | pallgone | oh, :) |
| 13:49.20 | anddam | I've not been actively using debian for a couple years now |
| 13:50.33 | rudi_s_ | anddam: tasksel remove <task> should also work. |
| 13:50.35 | anddam | is it still good practice to choose and stay with only one between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 13:50.40 | rudi_s_ | (According to the man page.) |
| 13:50.48 | rudi_s_ | !why aptitude |
| 13:50.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 13:50.56 | rudi_s_ | anddam: Normally you should use aptitude. |
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| 13:51.01 | anddam | I will |
| 13:51.20 | anddam | is there a tool to check unneeded dependencies? |
| 13:51.30 | pallgone | can we change a task? for example I have GNOME and what to have KDE for the DE |
| 13:51.31 | anddam | I remember debfoster to parse all packages |
| 13:52.00 | pallgone | (I don't really want KDE... just an example) |
| 13:52.10 | pallgone | *want |
| 13:53.25 | cast | anddam: aptitude will do that automagically |
| 13:53.45 | cast | anddam: [and has for several years] |
| 13:53.50 | wizardyesterday | pallgone, I use icewm.... so I fire up synaptic, search for icewm, and install the package |
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| 13:54.13 | wizardyesterday | pallgone, Thus, I have the choice to use icewm for my window manager (as an example) |
| 13:54.59 | anddam | wizardyesterday: but he asked for the whole DE |
| 13:55.15 | anddam | iirc there are metpackages for DEs |
| 13:55.19 | pallgone | wizardyesterday: sure, I know that... I have used xmonad, XFCE, dwm |
| 13:55.19 | rudi_s_ | anddam: debfoster is a good way, but cast is right, most of the time aptitude handles that on its own. |
| 13:55.32 | rudi_s_ | (Except for standard packages AFAIK.) |
| 13:55.38 | wizardyesterday | anddam, Ahh... I thought he wanted finer granularity |
| 13:55.38 | anddam | rudi_s_: and debfoster will show you every package installed |
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| 13:55.56 | wizardyesterday | pallgone, ok cool.... I guess I work at the finer grained resolution |
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| 13:56.27 | rudi_s_ | anddam: It lets you select which package you want .. but I have a search string for aptitude which should show most manually installed packages so you can choose. Wait a sec. |
| 13:56.40 | TofuAttack | so just then, i ran out of cocoa, so i mixed honey and hot milk and it tastes AKJENGLKAJEGNLKJENLSKJGNSKLDJGNSLKDJFNLESKJFN |
| 13:56.53 | rudi_s_ | anddam: aptitude search '~i !~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard !~E !~M' |
| 13:56.58 | anddam | TofuAttack: you wouldn't have run out of Cocoa on a Mac |
| 13:57.09 | rudi_s_ | (You can also use the regex in aptitude, l and then paste the regex (without quotes)). |
| 13:57.12 | anddam | rudi_s_: ah, the apt-tilde-hell |
| 13:57.17 | rudi_s_ | Hehe. |
| 13:57.35 | anddam | ~p is? |
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| 13:57.39 | rudi_s_ | anddam: That should list packages which are not necessary and weren't automatically installed. Then you can remove the ones you don't need. |
| 13:57.40 | TofuAttack | but apple is a faggot |
| 13:57.56 | pallgone | TofuAttack: what about tofu? |
| 13:57.57 | rudi_s_ | anddam: priority |
| 13:58.12 | TofuAttack | tofu tastes like shit |
| 13:58.20 | anddam | vegetal shit |
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| 13:58.40 | anddam | woa, lighttpd has 38Mb of dependencies, nginx 1Mb |
| 13:58.44 | anddam | afk for a while |
| 13:58.45 | nevyn | TofuAttack: only if you have very strange ingredients in your stirfry |
| 13:58.54 | TofuAttack | actually the opposite, it's bland as an overused latino stripper/whore |
| 13:59.23 | TofuAttack | so, what am i doing here again |
| 13:59.27 | nevyn | doesn't have the tofu hate. |
| 13:59.29 | TofuAttack | what is this chatroom about |
| 13:59.36 | nevyn | tofu? |
| 13:59.37 | TofuAttack | debian... |
| 13:59.40 | TofuAttack | WTF IS THAT |
| 13:59.48 | nevyn | a distribution of linux |
| 14:00.02 | cast | nevyn: well, kinda ;) |
| 14:00.09 | cast | its a lot more than just that |
| 14:00.10 | TofuAttack | ..... i don't belong, but i'm staying because i'm procrastinating |
| 14:00.17 | nevyn | a way of life. |
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| 14:00.27 | nevyn | the one true way to administer systems |
| 14:00.41 | nevyn | a social and organisational structure for community building |
| 14:00.45 | nevyn | cast: happy? |
| 14:00.49 | TofuAttack | okay i dont need the entire historical background to it. |
| 14:00.59 | cast | a GNU/* distribution! |
| 14:01.05 | nevyn | ah but you just don't think you do. |
| 14:01.19 | TofuAttack | computer software; two words would have sufficed |
| 14:01.23 | nevyn | oh right is the kfreebsd varient actually installable these days |
| 14:01.24 | nevyn | ? |
| 14:01.30 | cast | nevyn: quite :) |
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| 14:01.46 | cast | nevyn: it's in unstable isn't it |
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| 14:01.53 | TofuAttack | isn't linux.... shit |
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| 14:02.00 | TofuAttack | it's free, so it must be |
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| 14:02.25 | wizardyesterday | TofuAttack, most software can make that claim if not properly tested |
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| 14:02.46 | amanita_ | I forgot how, but once I was able to install free-pascal on Lenny. Now I am clueless. |
| 14:02.48 | cast | TofuAttack: yeah, we just can't afford windows licences, so we have to use the unstable insecure OS instead |
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| 14:02.53 | amanita_ | fp-ide and stuff |
| 14:03.00 | TofuAttack | cast, i lol'd |
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| 14:03.16 | abrotman | seriously .. call ops .. |
| 14:03.18 | nevyn | awww.. |
| 14:03.27 | nevyn | I thought about it. |
| 14:03.36 | nevyn | but figgured he hadn't quite crossed that line... |
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| 14:03.54 | abrotman | He obviously wasn't here about debian ... |
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| 14:04.29 | nevyn | sure he was just killing time. |
| 14:05.10 | nevyn | I have fingerplay for android controlling stuff in ardour. which is awesome |
| 14:05.20 | nevyn | this was my effort this evening |
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| 14:10.30 | tishammer | hello folks |
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| 14:11.07 | tishammer | i'm trying to install a ldap fallback to ldap with openldap. the idea is to delegate some users to other servers. is it possible? |
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| 14:11.50 | nevyn | I don't think so. |
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| 14:11.58 | nevyn | but I could be wrong |
| 14:12.43 | nevyn | has a functional understanding of ldap. |
| 14:12.49 | nevyn | and pam authentication |
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| 14:15.16 | abrotman | tishammer: you only want to replicate part of the tree? |
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| 14:16.18 | nevyn | aiui he wants to have redundant directories so if the primary ldap server can't be contacted sysadmins can still login using a secondary ldap server. |
| 14:16.40 | abrotman | you can sync an ldap server .. you can have a failover |
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| 14:17.21 | compgenius999 | hey guys, would it be possible to install debian with only 24mb of ram? |
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| 14:18.14 | nevyn | compgenius999: umm possibly but you have to ask yourself "am I really that much of a masichist?" |
| 14:19.00 | compgenius999 | nevyn, yeah, I told him he might have to atleast find a SIMM to upgrade the old laptop |
| 14:19.06 | compgenius999 | so it's atleast 64mb |
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| 14:19.36 | cast | used to run fine with 64mb for me, even running the fanciest desktop with e16! |
| 14:19.48 | nevyn | compgenius999: I'd be inclined to bootstrap it using a desktop pc |
| 14:20.07 | nevyn | compgenius999: so take the disk out use an adapter and do the install for the most part. |
| 14:20.20 | cast | i find it amusing i have 2^6 times more RAM but i'm still running the same software :) |
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| 14:20.32 | fellipe_brasil | Hi friends, I have vbox in ubuntu 10.04 and a windows xp sp3 inside the vbox. I shared some dir in ubuntu with samba and I access it in windows, however, if I am not conected to internet or to a router, I don't have an ip address, so I can't access this share in windows because there is no IP address to point it to... any idea? |
| 14:20.44 | nevyn | I used to have e16 with 16mb of ram |
| 14:20.54 | nevyn | fellipe_brasil: which part of that is debian? |
| 14:22.13 | fellipe_brasil | ubuntu belongs to debian's family, right? |
| 14:22.53 | qwd | fellipe_brasil: yes |
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| 14:23.07 | bzed | !ubuntu |
| 14:23.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:23.31 | fellipe_brasil | so.. ok, thanks.. |
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| 14:23.37 | qwd | fellipe_brasil: google "shared folders" for virtualbox. |
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| 14:25.30 | compgenius999 | <fruitbag`> "This system does not hav eenough memory to be supported by this program. At least 28 megabytes of memory are required. If you continue, unpredictable and broken behaviour will likelyresult." |
| 14:25.42 | compgenius999 | nevyn, ^, he's only 4 mb short |
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| 14:26.29 | nevyn | compgenius999: seriously rip the disk out of it. install with debootstrap on a pc |
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| 14:32.43 | HackeMate | hello, I just bought an AverMediaTV, is there any software for linux? |
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| 14:33.41 | pallgone | software to watch? drivers? |
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| 14:33.51 | HackeMate | both |
| 14:33.56 | HackeMate | all needed to watch tv |
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| 14:34.28 | thepro4ever | how do i remove a symbolic link? |
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| 14:34.55 | pallgone | thepro4ever: with rm |
| 14:35.10 | thepro4ever | pallgone: won't rm remove the directory its a symbolic link for? |
| 14:35.33 | pallgone | HackeMate: lspci, write down the exact name of the card, search google if it is supported |
| 14:35.44 | pallgone | thepro4ever: no, rm the symbolic link |
| 14:36.04 | thepro4ever | pallgone: wooooo |
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| 14:38.19 | tishammer | abrotman: not replicate. the two ldap databases don't have an intersection |
| 14:38.19 | cheche | extension "GLX" missing on display nvdia on sid |
| 14:38.34 | cheche | how can I fix this issue? |
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| 14:38.38 | anddam | should the user www-data own /var/www ? |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | anddam: yes |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | tishammer: then perhaps you sohuld describe it more clearly |
| 14:38.57 | anddam | cheche: load GLX in Xorg.conf |
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| 14:39.19 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.19 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.31 | anddam | are you using nv or nvidia driver? |
| 14:39.57 | jelly-home | anddam: not necessarily. On a static page setup, www-data merely needs to have read privileges for apache to be able to serve the data. |
| 14:39.59 | zulax | i can connect to a remote windows share from GUI, but i cant see the mounted folder anywhere from terminal |
| 14:40.05 | cheche | anddam: nvidia |
| 14:40.12 | cheche | I have check nvidis-glx |
| 14:40.13 | zulax | how can get into a windows share from terminal |
| 14:40.18 | cheche | I have check nvidia-glx package |
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| 14:40.22 | anddam | jelly-home: but it's the user running httpd, right? |
| 14:40.40 | jelly-home | anddam: it is. |
| 14:40.44 | cheche | zulax: sbmclient |
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| 14:40.59 | cheche | zulax: smbclient |
| 14:41.30 | zulax | with smbclient, do i reestablish the connection from terminal, or do i open an already established connection |
| 14:41.57 | cheche | zulax: you open a connection like a ftp session |
| 14:42.06 | zulax | ok |
| 14:42.33 | cheche | on nvidia-settings it displays "Fail to query the GLX server vendor" |
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| 14:43.19 | zulax | here is the error, |
| 14:43.28 | zulax | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //servername/directory |
| 14:43.46 | zulax | with sudo mount -t cifs //server/dir |
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| 14:43.59 | tishammer | abrotman: basically i have a webapp that has to authenticate users. i can access only one ldap server. but i have two ldap servers. i'd like to query ldap1 and if the user is not there, ldap1 should ask ldap2 and then ldap1 should report back to the webapp |
| 14:44.11 | cheche | zulax: sudo mount -t cifs //server/dir /mnt |
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| 14:44.29 | pinnen | zulax: apt-get install smbfs |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | tishammer: sounds like a question for #ldap |
| 14:44.39 | cheche | Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.(EE) NVIDIA GLX: No supported server extension ABI |
| 14:44.57 | tishammer | abrotman: i did ask, but got no answer. maybe somebody here knew. |
| 14:45.00 | pinnen | zulax: mount -t cifs //host/share /mnt/dir |
| 14:45.01 | zulax | ok, i didnt have the smbfs then |
| 14:45.13 | abrotman | tishammer: they're slow, but they've helped me in the past .. be patient if you can |
| 14:45.25 | tishammer | i will |
| 14:45.27 | zulax | awesome!!! thank you pinnen cheche it worked, |
| 14:45.33 | cheche | no worries |
| 14:45.46 | cheche | how can I disable the server extension ABI? |
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| 14:46.16 | pinnen | zulax: ofc, no problem :) |
| 14:46.52 | zulax | whats ofc? |
| 14:47.12 | pinnen | of course |
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| 14:47.31 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:48.01 | pinnen | zulax: of course it worked :) |
| 14:48.19 | zulax | thanks, |
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| 14:51.50 | thepro4ever | when using sed how do i type forward slashes into my regular expression? |
| 14:52.08 | Tadej | hello |
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| 14:52.22 | Tadej | I have an amavis question. I asked on #amavis but its dead, so... |
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| 14:52.44 | avar | thepro4ever: 's!//!!' |
| 14:52.46 | Tadej | what do I have to change if I want spam to go to spam@domain.com and not to virus dir as *.gz file? Im using postfix. |
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| 14:53.18 | Raptors | need quick help |
| 14:53.28 | Raptors | how do I connect to my router set up in dhcp mode? |
| 14:54.05 | abrotman | dhclient |
| 14:54.18 | Raptors | dhclient? |
| 14:54.21 | avar | also, man 5 interfaces |
| 14:55.06 | Raptors | is there a way to do it through gnome connection thing? |
| 14:55.11 | Raptors | network manager |
| 14:55.23 | thepro4ever | avar: sed -e 's/path/to/folder/path/to/new/g' \ ? |
| 14:55.38 | avar | thepro4ever: use ! instead of the / as a delimiter |
| 14:55.39 | thepro4ever | avar: i don't know what you mean by the ! |
| 14:55.43 | avar | you can use any delimiter you want |
| 14:55.52 | avar | sed 's,foo,bar,' |
| 14:55.53 | thepro4ever | huh |
| 14:56.13 | dvs | thepro4ever: use a different character after the "s" to separate the sections |
| 14:56.18 | dvs | like ! |
| 14:56.41 | avar | or use perl and balanced quotes: perl -pe 's[foo]{bar}' |
| 14:56.50 | thepro4ever | so the ! can be a place holder for any type of character in my file? |
| 14:57.19 | dvs | thepro4ever: the character right after the 's' is the character that separates the sections |
| 14:58.14 | Raptors | how do I connect to DHCP? |
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| 14:59.01 | thepro4ever | dvs: i'm basically trying to change /usr/local/mysql to /opt/mysql in a string with sed, if i use ! as a delimiter in the command then when it goes to replace is it going to stick ! in the replaced text? |
| 14:59.23 | dvs | thepro4ever: no |
| 14:59.57 | dvs | thepro4ever: sed -e 's!path/to/folder!path/to/new!g' |
| 15:01.02 | thepro4ever | AHHHHH |
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| 15:05.07 | thepro4ever | its partialy working the way i need, the best way for me to do this is to do a replace on "basedir=" but that particular token is all over the file, the one i need to do the replace on is at the top, is there a way to turn on like carriage return line feeds with vi and to specify to fidn a "basedir=" that ends with the line feed |
| 15:06.05 | thepro4ever | i want my sed to find the "basedir=" that ends with whatever the default line feed is for debian |
| 15:06.24 | thepro4ever | if there is even one at the end |
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| 15:06.47 | thepro4ever | find basedir= with nothing after it |
| 15:06.52 | johnfg | Anyone here that can help with grub2 problems on squeeze? |
| 15:07.00 | tharkun | !ask |
| 15:07.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:07.14 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 15:07.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:09.35 | tharkun | On the lenny->squeeze factoid there was a reference to the bpo kernel. Now there is a reference to the squeeze kernel. Does the squeeze kernel is capable of booting using the udev from the lenny release ? |
| 15:09.43 | johnfg | Just installed squeeze last night. Have been running lenny for a long time. update-grub found win xp pro, but hasn't found lenny, and didn't like my entries from 40_custom. |
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| 15:10.17 | johnfg | How do I make a menu entry for lenny on /dev/sdb? |
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| 15:10.42 | johnfg | squeeze is on /dev/sda |
| 15:11.09 | jelly-home | johnfg: os-prober is installed, right? |
| 15:12.12 | johnfg | jelly-home, yes. |
| 15:13.11 | johnfg | jelly, It looks like it found 'debian' on /dev/sdb, but it made it a squeeze kernel. |
| 15:13.17 | jelly-home | hmph, it wfm for linux installations on normal partitions |
| 15:13.27 | johnfg | I.e., in the entry. |
| 15:13.50 | jelly-home | johnfg: do both filesystems have the same label perhaps? |
| 15:14.39 | johnfg | I don't believe so. Not when I do a df and look at the output. |
| 15:15.02 | johnfg | BTW...everything booted fine with grub legacy. |
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| 15:15.46 | Raptors | Hey guys how do I get dhcp to work in gnome? |
| 15:16.59 | jelly-home | johnfg: there's going to be quite some teeth gnashing when squeeze is released with grub2 as default |
| 15:16.59 | Raptors | connect to a dhcp router |
| 15:17.38 | Raptors | come on someone help me :( |
| 15:17.47 | Raptors | This is makeing me so pissed off right now |
| 15:17.51 | johnfg | jelly, Yeah, I'm sure. I've not really used ubuntu much, but the teeth have already nashed there in re: to grub2. |
| 15:17.56 | peterrooney | that is daft. grub2 is not production ready. |
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| 15:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raptors, you don't |
| 15:18.49 | Raptors | what do you mean I dont? |
| 15:18.51 | johnfg | Any of you retro'd to grub legacy on squeeze? |
| 15:19.04 | jelly-home | johnfg: yes. |
| 15:19.41 | Raptors | CutMeOwnThroat, how do I get internet then? |
| 15:20.12 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 15:20.12 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 15:20.41 | Raptors | gaa |
| 15:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhcp has nothing to do with gnome... except, possibly if you're talking about network-manager-gnome |
| 15:20.48 | johnfg | jelly-home, Did it put back menu.lst in /boot/grub? |
| 15:21.00 | Raptors | I'm talking about network manager |
| 15:21.19 | tharkun | Raptors: If you need a fast hack do the following, #/etc/init.d/network-manager stop && dhclient eth0 It should bring the wired interface (eth0) up and running fast |
| 15:21.46 | tharkun | Raptors: if you need something different man dhclient and research a little about network-manager |
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| 15:21.55 | Raptors | ill try that |
| 15:21.56 | Raptors | brb |
| 15:21.59 | johnfg | jelly-home, Or did you have to reboot first? |
| 15:22.33 | mryanbrown | hey, ipv6 tunnel. eth0 is set to manual config, if i specify inet my pptp connection will load, but if i specify inet6 on eth0 pptp wont load |
| 15:22.36 | tharkun | Now about the udev support of the squeeze kernel for the lenny release, anyone has an answer ? |
| 15:22.38 | beardy | We all know the fast hack is the best and will never turn into a persons way of doing things for eternity due to bad advice. |
| 15:22.46 | beardy | Kbaithx. |
| 15:22.53 | fxiny | squeeze dependency-based boot system migration innserv warnings -> S25libdevmapper1.02 missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 15:23.58 | johnfg | jelly-home, Do I have to do grub-install after I've installed grub-legacy? |
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| 15:24.25 | Raptors | tharkun, bash: dhclient: command not found |
| 15:24.41 | Raptors | and there is no package called dhclient :\ |
| 15:25.00 | jelly-home | johnfg: most definitely yes |
| 15:25.16 | jelly-home | johnfg: and update-grub before so it updates menu.lst this time |
| 15:25.19 | abrotman | why not just install the gnome network-manager |
| 15:25.42 | Raptors | abrotman, I have network manager |
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| 15:26.42 | johnfg | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. is what grub-install returned. |
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| 15:28.03 | tharkun | Raptors: dpkg -l |grep dhcp3-client else install |
| 15:29.41 | Raptors | tharkun, I already have that installed |
| 15:30.18 | beardy | Raptors: You didn't run it as root, and your user didn't have it in its path. |
| 15:30.29 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:30.48 | Raptors | kk |
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| 15:30.55 | Raptors | *tries again* |
| 15:31.09 | Raptors | 1 quick question do I put the # infront? |
| 15:31.10 | Raptors | #/etc/init.d/network-manager stop && dhclient eth0 |
| 15:31.24 | Raptors | if so what does the # do? |
| 15:31.29 | Posterdati | please I've got a broken hd and I'm trying to rescue it using myrescue, the question is, may I recover the full hd using /dev/sdx or shall I use /dev/sdxy (single partition)? Tx |
| 15:31.41 | tharkun | Raptors: the # means to run it as root ;P |
| 15:31.51 | Raptors | :o |
| 15:31.53 | Raptors | lol |
| 15:31.55 | Raptors | kk |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | Posterdati: the full HDD is /dev/sdx .. how you rescue it is up to you |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | Raptors: stop hitting enter |
| 15:32.08 | Raptors | :( |
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| 15:32.58 | Posterdati | abrotman: myrescue creates a file that I've to fsck it... |
| 15:33.01 | {g} | Hey Debian People! Whats the right way to add users in these days? "useradd joe"? will that create a homedir and everything that is needed so joe can use X and everything? |
| 15:33.18 | tharkun | on the lenny->squeeze factoid what does this do -> sed 's,.*-,,' |
| 15:33.22 | abrotman | {g}: adduser |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | Posterdati: that might be the case |
| 15:33.30 | nsadmin | useradd is more for scripts |
| 15:33.51 | Posterdati | abrotman: yes, but about a single partition... |
| 15:33.54 | nsadmin | or when you want specific control over all the options |
| 15:34.02 | abrotman | then you do like sda2 or whatever |
| 15:34.02 | Posterdati | abrotman: my partition table is totally wrong |
| 15:34.09 | beardy | {g}: No, but adduser will. Which is a frontend/script using useradd. |
| 15:34.18 | {g} | abrotman: will i have to provide options, or will "adduser joe" do the trick? |
| 15:34.28 | Posterdati | abrotman: so I'm trying to do /dev/sdb without partition indication |
| 15:34.28 | nsadmin | Posterdati: so you need to recover your partition table? |
| 15:34.36 | {g} | beardy: ok. "adduser joe"? |
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| 15:34.41 | Posterdati | nsadmin: yes, but not only |
| 15:34.41 | abrotman | {g}: try it and see .. |
| 15:34.48 | Raptors | tharkun, same thing |
| 15:34.52 | nsadmin | do you have backups? |
| 15:34.55 | Raptors | bash: dhclient: command not found |
| 15:35.03 | Posterdati | nsadmin: no |
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| 15:35.23 | {g} | abrotman: ok |
| 15:35.24 | nsadmin | that's unfortunate... |
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| 15:35.29 | beardy | {g}: Yes. You will be prompted, but IIRC you can give everything as options too. Read the manual. |
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| 15:35.45 | Cirux77 | Hello !! |
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| 15:37.09 | nsadmin | Posterdati: what's important on that machine? |
| 15:37.11 | Cirux77 | Somebody knows how I can change the PE size in lvm2 ? default it's 4 mb |
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| 15:37.59 | Cirux77 | And I need to change it to for example to 128mb |
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| 15:37.59 | nsadmin | you mean of an existing pv? |
| 15:38.10 | Cirux77 | yes or in a new one |
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| 15:38.20 | Cirux77 | sorry my english |
| 15:38.27 | nsadmin | I would make a new one, and transfer stuff from the old one |
| 15:39.04 | Posterdati | nsadmin: that hd, prtition sdb2 |
| 15:39.06 | Cirux77 | I can change it using a command ( lvconvert ) or with a config file ? |
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| 15:39.28 | nsadmin | what's on there that's so important? |
| 15:39.31 | Raptors | kk it woked now, but it still wont work. I guess something is wrong with my dhcp connection |
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| 15:40.08 | nsadmin | Posterdati: can you mount it? |
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| 15:40.26 | johnfg | Well, that was a failure. Got menu.lst looking normal, but got the newer grub instead of grub-legacy. |
| 15:40.39 | johnfg | When I rebooted, i.e. |
| 15:41.06 | nsadmin | that may or may not be a good thing... does it work? |
| 15:42.12 | jelly-home | johnfg: did grub-install /dev/sda reported it worked? |
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| 15:48.36 | karlpinc | I'm trying to get connected to wireless via 802.11b, lspci -nn says (I'm rtyping) Realtek RTL8180L [10ec:8180] (rev 20) |
| 15:49.00 | johnfg | jelly-home, No, it still reported/reports, The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 15:50.08 | jelly-home | johnfg: pastebin your "blkid" and "cat /proc/mounts" output |
| 15:50.14 | ejcweb | Hi. I'm on a shared Debian server with the wordpress package installed at /usr/share/wordpress. Can anyone here advise me on how to set a blog up using this? Is the Debian package designed so that multiple people can use it? |
| 15:50.37 | karlpinc | I've tried ifup wlan0 and it says"wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801" |
| 15:50.42 | nkuttler | ejcweb: /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian |
| 15:51.05 | nkuttler | ejcweb: /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/apache.conf |
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| 15:51.36 | karlpinc | I'm not sure the interfaces file is right. It's just "iface wlan inet dhcp\n wireless-mode ad-hoc" |
| 15:52.07 | karlpinc | This is a pcmcia linksys wireless card. |
| 15:53.14 | johnfg | jelly-home, Here you go: http://debian.pastebin.com/S0jRGNS2 |
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| 15:54.01 | flixil | Hello. I got two different X window using nvidia on two different monitors with different resolutions. Opening a window from one monitor opens it in the current monitor, but dialogs and for instance the gsudo dialog go always to the first monitor. How can this behaviour be changed? Thanks |
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| 15:56.02 | tharkun | Is it reasonable to have 183 MB on the /lib/modules directory. I am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze but i ran into this lack of space on the / partition |
| 15:56.17 | mchman | salut les amis |
| 15:56.20 | mchman | ! |
| 15:56.25 | tharkun | !fr |
| 15:56.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:59.13 | anddam | is it possible to skip regular user creation in netinstall? |
| 16:00.03 | johnfg | jelly-home, See any explanation yet? |
| 16:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | why on earth would you want to do that |
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| 16:00.31 | nkuttler | hasn't user creation always be optional? |
| 16:00.35 | nkuttler | besides root that is |
| 16:00.42 | abrotman | anddam: you could, or you could just delete it when you're done |
| 16:01.16 | anddam | CutMeOwnThroat: low end virtual box for web hosting |
| 16:01.31 | anddam | abrotman: I thought it was forced, I'll check in a minute |
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| 16:01.50 | tharkun | Is the testing netinst cd working properly for the amd64 architecture ? |
| 16:02.05 | abrotman | anddam: try expert mode |
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| 16:06.53 | ondrejk | any tips for bored linux guy? |
| 16:07.16 | karlpinc | What stanzas do I need in my interfaces file to connect to an unsecured network? |
| 16:07.21 | karlpinc | (wifi) |
| 16:07.52 | abrotman | ondrejk: fix bugs in the BTS ? |
| 16:07.53 | Flash_ | ondrejk, do a dist-upgrade on a production machine and spend the day fixing what broke... |
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| 16:08.48 | karlpinc | For that matter, what is the "network name" called, is that an essid, or an ssid, or something else? |
| 16:09.16 | ondrejk | Flash_: already did few times ;) |
| 16:09.17 | nsadmin | ondrejk: tip: always know what you want |
| 16:09.40 | karlpinc | Unfortunately, I'm connected to irc on a laptop with no power cord and when the battery runs out I'll only have the laptop that I can't connect to wifi, and so no net access. :-( |
| 16:09.47 | ondrejk | nsadmin: maybe some good linux related sites |
| 16:10.10 | nsadmin | linuxlaptop.org? |
| 16:10.37 | ondrejk | nsadmin: will check, thanks ;) |
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| 16:10.58 | Raptors | hey guys I need help getting this DCHP client set up |
| 16:11.04 | Raptors | its really frustrating me |
| 16:12.00 | mryanbrown | dhcp3-client? |
| 16:12.15 | Raptors | I tried that |
| 16:12.18 | Raptors | didn't work :( |
| 16:12.27 | Raptors | thrashold, any more suggestions? |
| 16:12.35 | mryanbrown | i thought dhcp3-client was installed by default |
| 16:12.37 | mryanbrown | whats the issue |
| 16:12.52 | Raptors | it connected but internet isn't workign |
| 16:13.10 | mryanbrown | its not getting an ip? |
| 16:13.21 | Raptors | I'm not sure |
| 16:13.27 | mryanbrown | did you heavily modify the client conf to specify an ipor range or something? |
| 16:13.32 | Raptors | I tried to go to a site but ti didn't work |
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| 16:13.41 | Raptors | I didn't change anything |
| 16:13.43 | mryanbrown | ur not sure if you have an ip? |
| 16:13.47 | mryanbrown | ifconfig, let us know |
| 16:14.22 | Raptors | bash: ipconfig: command not found |
| 16:14.24 | Raptors | :| |
| 16:14.30 | Raptors | my bad |
| 16:14.31 | Raptors | if |
| 16:14.46 | Raptors | kk I'll try that |
| 16:14.46 | Raptors | brb |
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| 16:14.51 | abrotman | network-manager shuld do this for you |
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| 16:15.12 | Raptors | I think it did get a IP |
| 16:15.12 | Wipped | Hi, i got a problem with my SVN (PPTP) server on debian. I want to allow clients to be in my LAN. How can i make this work? |
| 16:15.22 | Raptors | 192.168.1.100 |
| 16:15.24 | nsadmin | ipconfig is winderz |
| 16:15.44 | nsadmin | linux has ifconfig (but maybe not for much longer) |
| 16:15.44 | pallgone | Raptors: ping debian.org |
| 16:16.01 | Raptors | hold up |
| 16:16.09 | Raptors | I need to set it up again |
| 16:16.17 | Raptors | on ppope right now |
| 16:16.31 | twisted` | yo, I got an Areca in my Debian system. The raid volume is 16GB. Parted however sees 14TB on the sda... Worse is LVM now only sees 12.73TB. Any ideas how to get my full 16TB? |
| 16:16.46 | mryanbrown | no more ifconfig? |
| 16:16.48 | mryanbrown | <3 ifconfig |
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| 16:16.58 | Wipped | Hi, i got a problem with my SVN (PPTP) server on debian. I want to allow clients to be in my LAN. How can i make this work? |
| 16:17.19 | nsadmin | there are more modern stuff that is probably considered well tested |
| 16:17.20 | pallgone | Raptors: if that doesn't work then try: ping 8.8.8.8, if that works then it's a problem with dns, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:17.29 | petemc | Wipped: do you mean vpn rather than svn ? |
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| 16:17.41 | Wipped | VPN yea |
| 16:17.43 | Wipped | srry |
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| 16:18.11 | Wipped | Hi, i got a problem with my VPN (PPTP) server on debian. I want to allow clients to be in my LAN. How can i make this work? |
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| 16:19.39 | mchman | debian is shit ubuntu is the best |
| 16:19.39 | mchman | no? |
| 16:19.42 | Wipped | Hi, i got a problem with my VPN (PPTP) server on debian. I want to allow clients to be in my LAN. How can i make this work? |
| 16:20.08 | mchman | why is ubuntu better than a debian? |
| 16:20.13 | petemc | Wipped: you dont need to keep on repeating, it should be just a matter of assigning the connecting clients the right ip addresses |
| 16:20.17 | mchman | beacauz is too simple |
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| 16:20.35 | mchman | d'ont spend u'r time |
| 16:20.39 | mryanbrown | it's like mchman woke up as a 14yr old boy and tried to troll the room |
| 16:20.39 | Wipped | no it isnt already tryd |
| 16:20.43 | mchman | this is better |
| 16:20.50 | Raptors | http://pastie.org/1122636 |
| 16:21.00 | fxiny | oh we have a orange cephalic hair tribesman visiting |
| 16:21.05 | mchman | mryanbrown, lol your so little |
| 16:21.08 | Raptors | it got the IP but no interenet |
| 16:21.11 | Raptors | internet |
| 16:21.21 | mryanbrown | yes, you can clearly tell I'm 'little' on the internet |
| 16:21.37 | mchman | mryanbrown, i fuck you |
| 16:21.45 | mryanbrown | *yawn* troll |
| 16:21.52 | Raptors | SHIT JUST GOT SERIOUS! :P |
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| 16:22.05 | mchman | shut up bitch |
| 16:22.11 | mryanbrown | internet is srs bsns |
| 16:22.26 | Raptors | back to my prob, it seems to connect its getting no internet |
| 16:22.36 | mryanbrown | sounds like a dhcp issue |
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| 16:23.01 | Wipped | Hi, i got a problem with my VPN (PPTP) server on debian. I want to allow clients to be in my LAN. How can i make this work? |
| 16:23.17 | mchman | Wipped, just fuck you ok |
| 16:23.21 | mchman | ? |
| 16:23.22 | Wipped | ok |
| 16:23.25 | Raptors | mryanbrown, gaaa |
| 16:23.30 | fxiny | mchman: on your way out take all 5th columnists with you |
| 16:23.38 | fxiny | :P |
| 16:23.48 | mchman | fxiny, fuck you too |
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| 16:24.00 | Wipped | Does anybody know a IRC channel for PPTP or SVN? |
| 16:24.01 | karlpinc | How do I scan and get essids or whatever else I need to configure wifi? |
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| 16:24.18 | Raptors | SHIT JUST GOT SERIOUS! |
| 16:24.22 | ondrejk | krushik: iwlist interface scan |
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| 16:24.28 | Raptors | BAN HAMMER! |
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| 16:24.31 | mryanbrown | im running a pptp |
| 16:24.34 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Was that for me? |
| 16:24.34 | mryanbrown | w/o encryption |
| 16:24.46 | ondrejk | karlpinc: y |
| 16:24.46 | Raptors | mryanbrown, any suggestions? |
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| 16:24.56 | Wipped | mryanbrown: can you help me with my problem |
| 16:24.57 | Wipped | ? |
| 16:25.08 | nogo | pptp = no encryption? |
| 16:25.15 | mryanbrown | raptors paste a traceroute |
| 16:25.15 | nogo | you are a brave |
| 16:25.17 | Wipped | y |
| 16:25.18 | mryanbrown | wipped whats your issue |
| 16:25.22 | mryanbrown | pastebin a traceroute* |
| 16:25.26 | ondrejk | karlpinc: you wanted to know how to perform scan for wifi sites, isnt't it? |
| 16:25.28 | mryanbrown | nogo |
| 16:25.28 | Raptors | <mryanbrown> raptors paste a traceroute |
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| 16:25.29 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Thanks. It says "interface does not support scanning". I want the simplest possible wireless access. No passwords, etc. |
| 16:25.30 | Raptors | how? |
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| 16:25.33 | mryanbrown | its a hurricane electric pptp link |
| 16:25.36 | Wipped | i want to make the clients able to enter my own lan |
| 16:25.42 | mryanbrown | okay |
| 16:25.43 | johnfg | Had to reboot. |
| 16:25.50 | mryanbrown | so you want lan clients to be able to use the pptp link? |
| 16:25.54 | ondrejk | karlpinc: what says iwconfig? |
| 16:25.58 | johnfg | jelly-home, Any thoughts on grub-install problem? |
| 16:25.59 | mryanbrown | or |
| 16:26.02 | mryanbrown | clients through the pptp |
| 16:26.02 | Raptors | mryanbrown, how? |
| 16:26.04 | mryanbrown | to enter your lan? |
| 16:26.11 | Wipped | i dont understand what you just said |
| 16:26.17 | Wipped | ye |
| 16:26.17 | mryanbrown | raptors traceroute google.com pastebin it |
| 16:26.27 | mryanbrown | uhm |
| 16:26.33 | mryanbrown | well I'm no expert but I do believe |
| 16:26.35 | nogo | iirc, pptp is one of old vpn solutions |
| 16:26.37 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Lots-o-stuff. I'm on another box typing. It says ad-hoc mode and not associated with a cell. |
| 16:26.41 | mryanbrown | you need to setup a route from the pptp link |
| 16:26.48 | mryanbrown | to the lan interface |
| 16:26.54 | mryanbrown | so route ppp0 -> eth0 |
| 16:26.55 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Also, signal level 0. |
| 16:26.59 | mryanbrown | and that should push it to the lan |
| 16:26.59 | ondrejk | karlpinc: by interface i mean wlan0 or something like that .. |
| 16:27.03 | Wipped | hmm |
| 16:27.13 | Wipped | i dont know how that works |
| 16:27.15 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Right wlan0, signal level 0. |
| 16:27.18 | Wipped | iptables? |
| 16:27.27 | ondrejk | karlpinc: then check iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 16:27.47 | ondrejk | and if it will not work, try ifup wlan0 before that |
| 16:28.09 | mryanbrown | i believe iptables something like |
| 16:28.11 | karlpinc | ondrejk: "interface does not support scanning: Network is down" |
| 16:28.22 | jelly-home | johnfg: yes. make /boot ext3 or ext2. |
| 16:28.23 | karlpinc | ondrejk: I've already ifup wlan0-ed. |
| 16:28.29 | ondrejk | that's weird |
| 16:28.31 | flixil | Hello. I got two different X window using nvidia on two different monitors with different resolutions. Opening a window from one monitor opens it in the current monitor, but dialogs and for instance the gsudo dialog go always to the first monitor. How can this behaviour be changed? Thanks |
| 16:28.32 | Wipped | and can you help me a bit with it? |
| 16:28.38 | mryanbrown | ip route add 2001:470:d:1c1::/64 dev eth0 |
| 16:28.41 | mryanbrown | only |
| 16:28.44 | mryanbrown | replace the ipv6 ip |
| 16:28.50 | mryanbrown | with ur pptps netmask |
| 16:28.59 | mryanbrown | im no pro though |
| 16:29.07 | Wipped | ok ill try |
| 16:29.16 | johnfg | jelly-home, In squeeze? |
| 16:29.38 | Wipped | does /64 needs to be at the end of it? |
| 16:29.44 | mryanbrown | thats for my ipv6 |
| 16:29.50 | Wipped | i have ipv4 |
| 16:29.55 | mryanbrown | replace that with ur pptp ip |
| 16:29.56 | mryanbrown | try that |
| 16:30.01 | karlpinc | ondrejk: the ifup output starts with "SIOCSIFFFLAGS: Operation not supported, twice, then says listening..., then sending..., then receive_packet failed on wlan0 : Network is down (The latter is probably the start of dhcp.) |
| 16:30.02 | Wipped | k |
| 16:30.12 | jelly-home | johnfg: in whatever OS you're trying to install grub in. |
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| 16:30.29 | ondrejk | karlpinc: did you typed it in as root? |
| 16:30.33 | karlpinc | ondrejk: I've never used wireless and don't know what I'm doing. |
| 16:30.38 | karlpinc | ondrejk: Yup. |
| 16:30.38 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: If I understand your series of statements correctly, you do not have the wifi drivers set up properly. |
| 16:30.39 | johnfg | jelly-home, So that's a known problem? |
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| 16:30.59 | Wipped | there is only 1 problem |
| 16:31.07 | Wipped | i dont have anybody to test t |
| 16:31.09 | Wipped | it |
| 16:31.25 | ondrejk | karlpinc: well, it looks like drivers related issue as jhutchins_lt says .. |
| 16:31.27 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: That sounds plausable. See above for lspci -nn output. |
| 16:31.37 | mryanbrown | lol |
| 16:31.48 | mryanbrown | that is a problem |
| 16:31.57 | Wipped | well i have somebody but he is away |
| 16:32.04 | jelly-home | johnfg: old grub not supporting ext4? I don't think it ever did. |
| 16:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | Wipped: Some information on using a linux box as a router/gateway: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 16:32.05 | Wipped | can you test it (A) |
| 16:32.19 | mryanbrown | are you running something ont he link I could easily access? |
| 16:32.20 | mryanbrown | i got time |
| 16:32.30 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: The chip is supposed to be supported. Any clues on where to go from here? |
| 16:32.37 | jelly-home | johnfg: always be conservative in /boot setup. |
| 16:32.39 | Wipped | if you have windows 7 you can just type my ip |
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| 16:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Somewhere in the following... |
| 16:32.55 | mariok | good evening. |
| 16:33.02 | jhutchins_lt | !tell karlpinc about wifi |
| 16:33.02 | johnfg | jelly-home, So, what should I use to change from ext4 to ext3? The Disk Utility? |
| 16:33.24 | johnfg | Or use parted magic? |
| 16:33.30 | mariok | Can someone tell me how to setup a 4K Harddisk properly? |
| 16:33.35 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: The wiki.debian.org/rtl818x page has the pci id listed as an example output, a workig example. |
| 16:33.37 | jelly-home | johnfg: the usual: copy all the files, umount, reformat, mount back, restore |
| 16:33.51 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: 4K? |
| 16:33.56 | mariok | yes |
| 16:33.58 | mryanbrown | yeah i got windows 7 open |
| 16:34.12 | Wipped | k |
| 16:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: You need to get it set up so it can scan. |
| 16:34.17 | mariok | I want two partition. One for /boot and the second for LVM |
| 16:34.21 | Wipped | i give ip and account on private chat |
| 16:34.36 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:34.55 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Yeah. I already went through /msg dpkg wifi. Found I've an rtl8180L. How would I setup to scan? |
| 16:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: For one thing it probably needs to be in managed mode. |
| 16:35.15 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I'll try that. |
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| 16:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: That is usually the default, so if you've been messing with it you might want to fall back to a clean, minimal configuration. |
| 16:36.03 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Alsom some wifi cards appear as more than one device, you have to use the right one. |
| 16:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | s/alsom/also/ |
| 16:36.25 | mariok | jhutchins_lt: Did you setup a 4K Harddisk before? |
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| 16:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: The smallest disk I have ever used was 20MB, although I do have an 18" 1MB platter. |
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| 16:37.07 | abrotman | he menas 4k clusters |
| 16:37.21 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: "a SATA hard disk with 4K sectors" |
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| 16:37.29 | abrotman | sectors .. sorry |
| 16:37.30 | jelly-home | 4KiB-sized |
| 16:37.33 | ejcweb | Has anyone here ever used the Debian wordpress package? |
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| 16:37.59 | anddam | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6 and linux-image-2.6.26 ? |
| 16:38.03 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Thanks. Managed mode seems to help. (I think it's as minimal as possible now.) "iwlist wlan0 scan" says " no scan results. I Suppose I could have no 802.11b signal, even though this mac does have some connectivity. |
| 16:38.14 | karlpinc | (The mac I'm typing on. |
| 16:38.50 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I found I had to align the partition on 4k boundarys for good performance with such a drive. |
| 16:39.07 | karlpinc | s/partition/partitions |
| 16:39.18 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: You do need a second device within range. |
| 16:39.20 | jelly-home | karlpinc: yes. Now tell mariok how to do that, he's the one asking the question. |
| 16:39.41 | johnfg | jelly-home, I copied the files, but when I do an umount /boot, returns it's busy. |
| 16:39.55 | jelly-home | johnfg: cd away from it |
| 16:39.56 | nogo | just because 4k is the size of a memory page? |
| 16:40.07 | flixil | anddam, the first is a dummy package that will install the second when a new version 2.6.4173948 arrives |
| 16:40.18 | jelly-home | johnfg: also, use lsof. (lsof -n | grep /boot) |
| 16:40.25 | anddam | k |
| 16:40.26 | flixil | got the second as a dependency |
| 16:40.26 | karlpinc | mariok: Make sure the block offsets divide by 4. (I can't spend time on this now, this laptop will run out of power. Then I'm cutoff until I get the other box's wifi working.) |
| 16:40.37 | anddam | is i686 64bit? |
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| 16:40.48 | flixil | anddam, no |
| 16:40.56 | flixil | amd64 is 64 bits |
| 16:41.06 | anddam | k |
| 16:41.07 | flixil | even for intel, it's the same name |
| 16:41.22 | nogo | i686/i586/i486/i386 is 32-bit |
| 16:41.32 | anddam | just different kind of ISA extensions |
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| 16:41.33 | mariok | karlpinc: I setup the first partition not to begin at 63, but to begin at 64. |
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| 16:41.37 | nogo | x86_64 is 64-bit |
| 16:41.41 | mariok | but how about the other partitions? |
| 16:41.52 | anddam | so I'm going with linux-image-2.6-i686 |
| 16:41.53 | nogo | (in fact, 48-bit) |
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| 16:42.38 | mariok | Do I need to take care of the partition alligment on any partition or on just the first one and fdisk will do the rest? |
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| 16:42.54 | karlpinc | mariok: Same with the others. (But damm if I can recall if block offets are zero relative. I think not.) |
| 16:43.06 | fxiny | fdisk will mark even as + |
| 16:43.12 | fxiny | no worries |
| 16:43.31 | mariok | karlpinc: thanks for that info |
| 16:43.39 | fxiny | oops s/even/odd/ |
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| 16:44.31 | nickaugust | can I map caps lock to return for my entire system? how would i go about doing that? |
| 16:44.35 | jelly-home | mariok: you need to take care of the alignment for all the partitions. First, is this going to be the boot device? |
| 16:44.40 | azm | Hi. I dont have nspluginwrapper in repositories, how can I add it please? |
| 16:45.13 | mariok | jelly-home: yes |
| 16:45.18 | flixil | Hello. I got two different X window using nvidia on two different monitors with different resolutions. Opening a window from one monitor opens it in the current monitor, but dialogs and for instance the gsudo dialog go always to the first monitor. How can this behaviour be changed? Thanks |
| 16:45.32 | jelly-home | mariok: alright, are you familiar with common fdisk? |
| 16:45.34 | mariok | jelly-home: the Hard disk will get two partitions. The first for /boot and the second for LVM |
| 16:45.44 | mariok | jelly-home: yes |
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| 16:46.43 | Tommy_DO | Is it safe/clever to touch CACHEDIR.TAG in /var/cache in order to exclude its subdirectories for backup with tar? |
| 16:47.00 | jelly-home | mariok: great. run it like this: fdisk -H 64 -S 32 /dev/yourdisk |
| 16:47.53 | mariok | jelly-home: okay, I did it. |
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| 16:48.08 | mariok | a "p" gives me "Partition 1 does not end on cyclinger boundary" |
| 16:48.20 | jelly-home | mariok: are there already some partitions on it? |
| 16:48.31 | jelly-home | mariok: do you need to keep them? |
| 16:48.40 | mariok | I can delete them |
| 16:48.47 | mariok | I made it just a few minutes before |
| 16:48.54 | mariok | s/it/them/g |
| 16:49.10 | jelly-home | mariok: wipe them all. |
| 16:49.18 | mariok | okay I did it |
| 16:49.34 | jelly-home | mariok: create a first partition for /boot |
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| 16:50.04 | mariok | I did that |
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| 16:50.28 | mariok | I have decided to make it 100 MB. |
| 16:50.37 | jelly-home | mariok: can youi pastebin the output of 'p'? |
| 16:50.51 | jelly-home | mariok: make it bigger, say 512MB. |
| 16:51.13 | mariok | 512 MB for GRUB, one kernel and one initrd ? |
| 16:51.23 | jelly-home | mariok: there are going to be more kernels. |
| 16:52.39 | mariok | One my Client I have 3 Kernels installed. /boot has a total of 56 MB |
| 16:53.43 | jelly-home | mariok: suit yourself. however, we're going to chop of a bit from the beginning of the partition. |
| 16:54.25 | jelly-home | mariok: otherwise the 31 sectors between MBR and the /boot partition won't be enough for grub. |
| 16:54.48 | jelly-home | mariok: to do that, go to 'x' expert mode, |
| 16:54.50 | mariok | okay, I make it 512 MB |
| 16:56.07 | jelly-home | mariok: ? for help will show command 'b' move beginning of data in a partition |
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| 16:56.31 | jelly-home | mariok: b, 1, 64 |
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| 16:57.16 | jelly-home | mariok: now pastebin the output of p, to see if it's correct |
| 16:57.38 | karlpinc | I'm still not able to scan. If it helps I now see a dmesg output that ends in RTL8180vF + Maxim. I assume the last is the radio. Always iwconfig says the signal strength is 0. That does not seem right. |
| 16:57.48 | newbie|2 | how to crypt a partition with dmsetup to have the same strength as loop-aes? |
| 16:57.50 | mariok | okay, I will pastebin it. give me two minutes |
| 16:59.01 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/2U5t83vH |
| 16:59.12 | karlpinc | I have tried unplugging the pcmcia card and re-inserting it. That's where the dmesg output comes from. |
| 17:00.11 | mariok | jelly-home: did you want to see the output of "p" in expert-mode or in normal-mode? |
| 17:00.21 | mariok | s/did/do/ |
| 17:00.28 | jelly-home | mariok: both, but expert is more intesting |
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| 17:00.57 | karlpinc | Does iwlist * scan flip through all the frequencies? Should I try setting a frequency? |
| 17:01.20 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/fVEkj9p7 |
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| 17:02.11 | homie | why does cp fail on some file which is big ? |
| 17:02.14 | homie | there's no limit's by the system for the filesize |
| 17:02.21 | homie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.24 | homie | the same failure |
| 17:02.33 | anddam | jelly-home: apropos of creating user, expert mode let me choose |
| 17:02.45 | anddam | does standard install force creation of an user? |
| 17:02.50 | anddam | I can't recall it now |
| 17:02.58 | phorce1 | if I build a fresh lenny install will an ipCHAINS routing script "just work" on it or do I need something else? |
| 17:03.17 | phorce1 | (ipCHAINS, not ipTABLES) |
| 17:03.18 | jelly-home | mariok: that's good. there's 64 sectors offset for the first partition, which is divisible by 8 (8x512B = 4096B) |
| 17:03.37 | mariok | jelly-home: how can you see that? |
| 17:03.58 | jelly-home | mariok: fdisk says the partition starts at offset 64 |
| 17:04.21 | mariok | okay |
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| 17:05.18 | jelly-home | mariok: you can go back to normal mode and create the big one |
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| 17:06.08 | phorce1 | had an OLD router go down. It still works well enough for me to copy the script though |
| 17:06.48 | acu | I want to convert an avi video file to 3gp or mpeg-4 .mp4 to play it in Android G1 - what encoder is available for debian ? |
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| 17:07.49 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/wd8CH08w |
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| 17:07.55 | mariok | ^^^ this is my plan |
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| 17:09.28 | mariok | jelly-home: what do you think about this? will my plan work as expected? |
| 17:09.43 | jelly-home | mariok: sounds reasonable. if you have two identical disks, once you partition the first, you can copy the partition table using sfdisk |
| 17:10.00 | petemc | acu: handbrake from debian multimedia |
| 17:10.17 | petemc | !tell acu about dmm |
| 17:10.42 | jelly-home | mariok: eg. sfdisk -d /dev/sda > sda.sfdisk, and then feed that file to sfdisk for the other device, sfdisk /dev/sdb < sda.sfdisk |
| 17:10.44 | mariok | for a test I make the second partition (which will be the LVM disk 5 GB in size |
| 17:11.01 | mariok | If the test goes well I will delete this partition and make a huge one. |
| 17:11.40 | jelly-home | mariok: second and other partitions need no expert mode messing, that's just to make enough space for grub before the first partition |
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| 17:12.46 | mariok | GRUB needs space before the first partitionen? |
| 17:13.06 | mariok | I thought it is just the MBR which will be written before the first partition |
| 17:13.06 | CruelCoke | Debian, aka FrenchCopOS? |
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| 17:15.16 | karlpinc | I still think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong. |
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| 17:16.16 | jelly-home | mariok: try and leave just the 32 sectors offset for the first partition, then watch it grumble there's no place to put its "stage 1.5" |
| 17:16.19 | karlpinc | Every time I do a ifup I get a dmesg entry "wlan0: link is not ready". |
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| 17:18.36 | johnfg | jelly-home, Sorry, had to work on some things in the system before I could umount /boot. It's copied and unmounted. how do I reformat it from the cli? |
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| 17:18.52 | johnfg | Probably as ext3? |
| 17:19.19 | johnfg | df |
| 17:19.20 | jelly-home | johnfg: ext3 will work with grub legacy, yes |
| 17:19.47 | jelly-home | don't forget to change the fstab entry |
| 17:19.49 | johnfg | jelly-home, So, what command do I use for that? |
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| 17:20.11 | johnfg | To reformat the partition as ext3? |
| 17:20.12 | jelly-home | johnfg: mkfs.ext3 /dev/wherever |
| 17:20.18 | azm | Hi. I dont have nspluginwrapper in repositories, how can I add it please? |
| 17:20.25 | johnfg | jelly-home, OK, thanks for all your help, btw. |
| 17:20.29 | azm | its weird, I have contrib in sources.list |
| 17:20.31 | jelly-home | np |
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| 17:22.50 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 17:23.18 | edwin_quijada | There is a messenger server with agenda |
| 17:23.26 | edwin_quijada | task |
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| 17:23.47 | edwin_quijada | I am seeing openfire what client can I use to use it? |
| 17:24.22 | anddam | when I installed using regular install I got a proper keymap for my Mac keyboard with it layout, now I used expert and I chose it layout but a few keys are wrong, how can I see what keymap is installed? |
| 17:24.43 | anddam | or where is a preference for that, I can load the other VM and see the right keymap |
| 17:24.46 | johnfg | jelly-home, OK! So far so good! I ran grub-install /dev/sda, and it ran normally with no errors! |
| 17:25.50 | jelly-home | johnfg: have a nice livecd handy for when you discover you have an unbootable machine |
| 17:26.22 | flori_ | hi. will squeeze also come as live-DVD when released? |
| 17:26.31 | johnfg | Uh-oh, is that from there being no menu.lst in /boot/grub? |
| 17:26.35 | nsadmin | and/or have a grub rescue image |
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| 17:26.48 | mariok | afk |
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| 17:27.01 | johnfg | What's the problem that that happens? |
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| 17:27.17 | nsadmin | too many words |
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| 17:28.20 | johnfg | So can't I correct this before the reboot? |
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| 17:28.53 | sanzilla_ | halo world! |
| 17:28.56 | sanzilla_ | halo ppl. |
| 17:29.06 | mryanbrown | halo is in #microsoft |
| 17:29.17 | nsadmin | helo is in sendmail |
| 17:29.28 | sanzilla_ | ya it runs under wine so no problemo |
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| 17:30.37 | karlpinc | I just found this ubuntu thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=170813 which would seem to indicate that I need the r8180 module, and perhaps not the rtl8180 module that I'm using. Could that be correct? |
| 17:30.51 | nsadmin | johnfg: you're runnign grub2 at this point? |
| 17:31.20 | johnfg | nsadmin, No, installed grub-legacy which uninstalled grub2. |
| 17:31.36 | johnfg | That's because I couldn't get grub2 to boot lenny. |
| 17:32.00 | johnfg | squeeze is on sda, lenny on sdb. |
| 17:32.09 | nsadmin | oh, just so you know, I backported a grub2 from sid, it works in lenny |
| 17:32.15 | nsadmin | but that's beside the pt |
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| 17:32.28 | thepro4ever | UMMM IS IT A BAD THING IF I REMOVED /USR/LOCAL |
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| 17:32.45 | johnfg | If I can boot into lenny, then that could be useful, eh? |
| 17:32.55 | nsadmin | what's /USR/LOCAL? |
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| 17:33.17 | nsadmin | you can't boot lenny at all? |
| 17:33.21 | johnfg | So how do I get a working menu.lst for grub-legacy? |
| 17:33.40 | nsadmin | does it boot squeeze at all? |
| 17:33.57 | nsadmin | and is the existing menu.lst for squeeze? |
| 17:34.03 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: i don't know, but i removed /USR/LOCAL i don't know what side effects that will have |
| 17:34.27 | karlpinc | Humm. Yes. I think this is the case. Is there a web-interface to apt-file? |
| 17:34.31 | nsadmin | has /usr/local.. but does not have /USR/LOCAL... |
| 17:34.50 | mryanbrown | lol |
| 17:34.51 | johnfg | As of right now. But then I reformatted /boot from ext4 to ext3 (on squeeze), then ran grub-install /dev/sda, and it didn't make a menu.lst. |
| 17:35.34 | johnfg | squeeze is booted from the grub2, then I made the changes I mentioned. |
| 17:35.39 | nsadmin | Johnfg, try running update-grub |
| 17:35.44 | nsadmin | or is it grub-update |
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| 17:35.48 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: yeah i removed /usr/local |
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| 17:36.44 | nsadmin | oh... well you should know that debian packages are not permitted to touch /usr/local because it's for the local machine owner to install whatever he wants from source |
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| 17:37.21 | nsadmin | thepro4ever, so if you never did that, it was probably empty anyway |
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| 17:38.30 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: i made a logic error in my script and it removed /usr/local |
| 17:38.44 | nsadmin | wow... |
| 17:39.05 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: no debian packages will be affected much |
| 17:39.07 | nsadmin | you should have a separate machine to test scripts then :) |
| 17:41.16 | nsadmin | you got -very- lucky, I'd say |
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| 17:42.26 | karlpinc | I'd say I have hardware that has no debian driver. |
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| 17:42.48 | karlpinc | What is a good wireless pcmcia or usb device that works with Debian? |
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| 17:43.04 | acu | petemc thanks for you handbrake :) |
| 17:43.26 | Gm4n | O |
| 17:43.30 | karlpinc | Something I can buy at wallmart would be best. ;) |
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| 17:44.14 | Gm4n | I'm on lenny, and installed libapache2-mod-xsendfile from squeeze. However, the X-Sendfile header doesn't seem to do anything... ideas? |
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| 17:45.26 | thepro4ever | what is a chell script argument set to if the user provided no argument, for example $2 was never provided by the user, i need a way to make sure all arguments are accounted for |
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| 17:45.41 | karlpinc | Is there a site that will give me a list of supported devices? |
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| 17:46.56 | Gm4n | thepro4ever: I think you use argc |
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| 17:49.01 | johnfg | hi from lenny! And I didn't even have to boot from a livecd! |
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| 17:49.15 | johnfg | nsadmin, Now, about that backport... |
| 17:49.47 | fxiny | if test -z $1 ; then echo "write something" ; exit 1 ; fi |
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| 17:50.22 | johnfg | I've got the menu.lst where it's got lenny and win xp pro, but not sure about the entry for squeeze. Do you think it would be better to install the backport from in lenny? |
| 17:50.36 | meltphace | hi i'm having some trouble loading snd-usb-audio, it says error inserting .. http://codepad.org/1B3m5BiO |
| 17:50.47 | flori_ | is there a channel for debian live? |
| 17:50.57 | nsadmin | johnfg: what's in your device.map? |
| 17:51.01 | fxiny | johnfg: squeeze wants the UUID |
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| 17:51.14 | meltphace | flori_: not afaik, just ask your question here |
| 17:51.19 | mplabs | Hello! |
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| 17:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know where knetworkmanager stores it's keys? |
| 17:53.08 | johnfg | nsadmin, In lenny's device.map I have (hd0)/dev/hda and (hd1) /dev/sda. |
| 17:53.30 | nsadmin | oh, you have two grubs? |
| 17:53.36 | nsadmin | hold that thought |
| 17:53.49 | mplabs | I'm trying to use diff with two files but I want to ignore new lines and carriage returns, is it possible ? I mean, it's the same to me if the difference is that I have "foo\nbar" and "foo bar". Thank you! |
| 17:54.00 | meltphace | jhutchins_lt: probably kwallet |
| 17:54.06 | johnfg | nsadmin, Well, grub in squeeze and grub in lenny. |
| 17:54.09 | flori_ | meltphace: i would like to know if there is a mechanism to keep custom setting for the next boot. Can i safe the modifications made to / to a file (e.g. on usb-stick)? |
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| 17:54.49 | jhutchins_lt | meltphace: not used here. |
| 17:55.11 | Tharkun | How long is it reasonable to wait for "Select and install software" part of a lenny instalation ? |
| 17:55.24 | Tharkun | Is it ok to skip it? |
| 17:55.38 | meltphace | flori_: i know such a think exists, but i don't know of any prepackaged forms of it. what you're looking for is something based on unionfs probably |
| 17:55.44 | mplabs | I tried with -B, -w, --strip-trailing-cr but it doesn't work ! |
| 17:55.46 | meltphace | thing* |
| 17:56.07 | mplabs | any idea ? |
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| 17:57.17 | meltphace | mplabs: you could try just removing the newlines first .. something like this http://linux.dsplabs.com.au/rmnl-remove-new-line-characters-tr-awk-perl-sed-c-cpp-bash-python-xargs-ghc-ghci-haskell-sam-ssam-p65/ |
| 17:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like maybe .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc |
| 17:57.57 | flori_ | meltphace: thank you |
| 17:59.23 | johnfg | nsadmin, Am holding the thought...what's up? |
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| 17:59.42 | nsadmin | it's already down, and flushed. |
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| 18:01.02 | nsadmin | I've encountered problems when it came to any situation that causes the bios to swap two drives |
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| 18:01.36 | nsadmin | so I would invite you to explore how you can boot lenny with the squeeze grub |
| 18:01.54 | nsadmin | are they both grub legacy? |
| 18:01.55 | mplabs | meltphace, thank you ! |
| 18:01.58 | fxiny | chain loading |
| 18:02.15 | fxiny | grub2 chainloading grub |
| 18:02.23 | Tharkun | How do i investigate that the debian install is waiting for a server and there is no internal error while waiting? |
| 18:03.03 | nsadmin | pinpoint what to investigate |
| 18:03.21 | johnfg | nsadmin, Actually, I *did* boot into this lenny I'm running from the squeeze legacy grub. |
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| 18:03.48 | Tharkun | nsadmin: "Select and install software" It has been on that screen for the last hour |
| 18:03.49 | johnfg | But, I don't yet have an entry for squeeze in the menu.lst. |
| 18:04.02 | thepro4ever | how can i check if an argument $2 isn't set in a shell script? |
| 18:04.04 | Tharkun | nsadmin: this is a standard lenny install |
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| 18:04.51 | nsadmin | THarkun: try the install again, this time tell it to leave networking unconfigured |
| 18:05.08 | Tharkun | nsadmin: complying |
| 18:05.11 | nsadmin | and see if it responds to that by installing the base from the netinst cd |
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| 18:05.39 | Tharkun | unplugin network cable |
| 18:05.40 | nsadmin | the guess I'm going from, is somethign's up with your networking |
| 18:06.02 | nsadmin | that is a netinst cd? |
| 18:06.07 | Tharkun | yes |
| 18:06.11 | nsadmin | not a bizcard? |
| 18:06.21 | nsadmin | ok, the installer and the base should be on it |
| 18:06.22 | Tharkun | although it did manage to install the repos |
| 18:06.25 | mariok | re |
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| 18:06.45 | mogglefrange | Hi. I'm trying to figure out a regular backup solution with duplicity and anacron, and all the tutorials I've read claim that I need to edit my crontab file to add the daily job. Can't I just stick my backup scripts in cron.daily, cron.weekly, etc? |
| 18:07.05 | mogglefrange | Or would that not work/be less than ideal for some reason that I'm unaware of? |
| 18:07.46 | Tharkun | nsadmin: will i get a full shell with this ? |
| 18:07.49 | johnfg | nsadmin, How do I get squeeze to be on the menu.lst? |
| 18:08.14 | meltphace | mogglefrange: nope, you can put them in the cron.daily etc folders |
| 18:08.20 | johnfg | I created it by hand with lenny and win xp pro, but wasn't sure about squeeze. |
| 18:08.29 | meltphace | mogglefrange: only reason to edit the crontab is increased flexibility |
| 18:08.32 | johnfg | I.e., with entries for lenny and win xp pro. |
| 18:08.37 | nsadmin | mogglefrange, hmm. maybe the reason it suggests what it does, is every unix-alike with cron can have crontab entries, but not every unix-alike has cron-weekly/cron-daily dirs |
| 18:08.58 | mogglefrange | Oh, okay. Good. The tutorials were generally in ubuntu or debian though.... |
| 18:09.41 | mogglefrange | Meh. Thanks, all :-) |
| 18:09.42 | meltphace | mogglefrange: from the manpage The intended purpose of this feature is to allow packages that require finer control |
| 18:09.42 | meltphace | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.47 | nsadmin | johnfg, so to boot squeeze, you have to go thru the grub shell? |
| 18:10.07 | meltphace | tutorials are just being silly |
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| 18:11.36 | johnfg | nsadmin, Haven't tried since I'm back in lenny. |
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| 18:12.22 | nsadmin | johnfg, so your desired outcome is to be able to boot any of the three when your machine boots |
| 18:12.35 | johnfg | nsadmin, Yes sir! |
| 18:12.44 | nsadmin | got it... |
| 18:12.54 | johnfg | Until lenny's gone the way of the dodo. |
| 18:13.11 | nsadmin | where does the dodo gogo? |
| 18:13.25 | Tharkun | Extintion ? |
| 18:13.38 | nsadmin | oily... |
| 18:14.03 | nsadmin | can you get to the grub shell when you boot? |
| 18:14.06 | nsadmin | if so... |
| 18:14.08 | fxiny | johnfg: can you boot in lenny using grub ? |
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| 18:14.29 | anddam | does anyone know if there's a specific keymap for actual Apple USB keyboards? |
| 18:14.30 | nsadmin | can you find the squeeze partitions? |
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| 18:15.08 | johnfg | fxiny, Yes, that's not a problem now, as I created the entries in menu.lst for squeeze's grub-legacy. |
| 18:15.30 | fxiny | johnfg: with the UUID as i told you before ? |
| 18:15.34 | johnfg | nsadmin, Yes, I can get to the squeeze partitions. |
| 18:15.57 | nsadmin | ok, can you boot squeeze from that point? |
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| 18:16.11 | Tharkun | nsadmin: so it seems there were some networking isues. I'll solve them for this to work. Thx |
| 18:16.12 | nsadmin | (that is, by typin lotsa stupf) |
| 18:16.34 | nsadmin | Tharkun: cool... so that got you started? |
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| 18:17.19 | johnfg | nsadmin, Don't know yet, I haven't tried. |
| 18:17.37 | Tharkun | nsadmin: Yes, i got past that point. If i get a working shell it is going right now into lenny. |
| 18:17.45 | johnfg | I don't have another system to work on while doing this on the other. |
| 18:17.53 | nsadmin | johnfg, ok, so that's presently your edge... and the next thing to try |
| 18:18.20 | fxiny | johnfg: is the same as the lenny stanza , edit root=/dev/ice -> root=UUID1234587 |
| 18:18.22 | Tharkun | nsadmin: btw there are some errors on the default lenny install concerning the size of the / partition. It will not hold two kernels. |
| 18:18.29 | fxiny | your UUID |
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| 18:18.49 | anddam | how can I see the status of a init.d service? |
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| 18:19.24 | johnfg | fxiny, Here's what's in menu.lst now (and it works): http://paste.debian.net/86381/ |
| 18:19.27 | nsadmin | Tharkun: wow... your / is tiny then... why so small (and how small is it)? |
| 18:20.08 | Tharkun | nsadmin: somewhere on the range of 280 MB like on the i386 but it will not hold two amd64 kernels |
| 18:20.16 | Tharkun | it broke on me earlier this morning |
| 18:21.02 | nsadmin | 280 mb isn't that small... the amd64 kernels must be huge |
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| 18:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | default for / was 7GB when I installed |
| 18:21.43 | Tharkun | So it seems. I reinstalled lenny using a custom set up for partitioning i gave / 500 MB |
| 18:22.05 | nsadmin | did that solve the space problem? |
| 18:22.14 | Tharkun | Working on it :) |
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| 18:23.25 | Tharkun | Could someone kindly paste a sources.list line to be used as a model please |
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| 18:23.54 | obiwahn | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib |
| 18:23.54 | obiwahn | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib |
| 18:23.54 | avar | Tharkun: http://github.com/avar/linode-etc/blob/master/apt/sources.list |
| 18:23.55 | jelly-home | Tharkun: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 18:24.13 | Tharkun | jelly-home: thx |
| 18:24.53 | fxiny | johnfg: is wrong hd1,1 can't do with sda3 but with sdb |
| 18:25.38 | Tharkun | so it seems the netinst is a little old it complains about the signature, any factoid to correct it ? |
| 18:25.50 | johnfg | What's the difference between the kernels: 2.6.32-trunk and 2.6.32-5? |
| 18:26.07 | obiwahn | trunk is from january |
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| 18:26.13 | user | hi everyong |
| 18:26.14 | obiwahn | you should'nt use it |
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| 18:26.18 | user | *everyone |
| 18:26.22 | fxiny | johnfg: hd0 -> sda hd1 -> sdb |
| 18:26.50 | obiwahn | there was a xserver root expolit some time ago that i not fixed in the trunk version |
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| 18:28.10 | fxiny | johnfg: if squeeze is in sda you edit -> root=UUID..... |
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| 18:28.51 | user | guys why doesn't the path that I am trying to export appear in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/? What I execute is this: http://pastebin.com/pnRDHWKj |
| 18:28.59 | obiwahn | UUID="DFSDFSD" mountpoint |
| 18:29.19 | user | the ldconfig is run as root |
| 18:29.25 | user | I cannot understand |
| 18:29.50 | Tharkun | nsadmin: 404 on http:/ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages That was the problem that got me stuck :( |
| 18:29.54 | obiwahn | more readeable is LABEL=FOBAR man e2label or whatever your fs needs |
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| 18:30.40 | nsadmin | Tharkun: show the exact-text line of sources.list that correspond to that packages file |
| 18:30.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | Are there changes to manual wpa configuration for squeeze? Neither interfaces nor wpa_supplicant.conf seem to work. |
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| 18:31.27 | obiwahn | user: you set the path for the shell only using export |
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| 18:32.11 | user | obiwahn I thought that was done by ldconfig |
| 18:32.14 | Tharkun | nsadmin: the one on the sources.list factoid while using us as <cc> |
| 18:32.17 | obiwahn | so when you call ldconfig as root in another shell nthing will happen |
| 18:32.27 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:32.33 | nsadmin | !sources.list |
| 18:32.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:32.38 | obiwahn | no - ldconfig reads the files in etc |
| 18:33.19 | user | obiwahn, true |
| 18:33.36 | nsadmin | Tharkun: I sorta see... but possible typos when you posted the problem and choices in the factoid are ambiguous... |
| 18:33.38 | Tharkun | nsadmin: fixed, some isue on the local part |
| 18:33.47 | nsadmin | ahh, ok |
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| 18:35.09 | obiwahn | user put i in your users .bash_profile |
| 18:35.52 | obiwahn | and make sure the path is readable for your user |
| 18:35.59 | user | obiwahn, I don't have .bash_profile, just .profile and this is including .bashrc so should I try there instead? |
| 18:36.05 | obiwahn | and dont put it in /etc |
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| 18:36.22 | obiwahn | then use the .profile |
| 18:37.28 | nsadmin | to see what bash reads and when... man bash, look for FILES section |
| 18:38.35 | Tharkun | How do i correct the GPG error for key 9AA38DCD55BE302B ? |
| 18:39.05 | obiwahn | user: http://prefetch.net/articles/linkers.badldlibrary.html |
| 18:40.09 | user | obiwahn, thanks for the help and the link |
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| 18:40.55 | nsadmin | Tharkun: your net and apt is working now? try aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 18:41.51 | Tharkun | nsadmin: working fine :) |
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| 18:43.39 | ajcc | Hi, just a fast question, the Debian i386 installation CD, will it run on Pentium machines (i586)? It didn't say on the download page. |
| 18:43.48 | petemc | yes |
| 18:44.06 | nsadmin | Tharkun, ok, and the installation of that package... did I get the name right? |
| 18:45.05 | Tharkun | nsadmin: I am doing aptitude update && aptitude upgrade it complained about the key but i told it to skip it alomst finished downloading |
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| 18:55.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | Is there anything wierd/different/undocumented about wpa psk in squeeze? |
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| 18:59.36 | staybb1 | which logs must i check to see the mount dev of my new added second hard disk? |
| 19:00.00 | madi | hi all |
| 19:00.20 | madi | i was wondering how to exctract .mp3 with sound juicer on debian squeeze, found a lot of guides on google but still don't have clear the matter |
| 19:00.30 | Tharkun | staybb1: syslog is a good place to start |
| 19:00.39 | staybb1 | Tharkun: where is it? |
| 19:00.49 | Tharkun | /var/log/syslog |
| 19:01.14 | Tharkun | madi: you extract to wav usually and then you compress into mp3 |
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| 19:01.39 | Tharkun | madi: lame is a good option although because of licensing isues it is not on debian |
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| 19:02.20 | anddam | about lenny->squeeze (I already asked dpkg) |
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| 19:02.41 | amanita_ | anddam: Squeeze is out? |
| 19:02.44 | anddam | I have to remove volatile from sources.list, aptitude update then kernel and udev first thing |
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| 19:02.50 | madi | oh, got it. Thanks Tharkun |
| 19:02.58 | Tharkun | np |
| 19:02.58 | anddam | amanita_: it's testing afaik |
| 19:03.02 | jhutchins_lt | amanita_: Squeeze is still testing, frozen. |
| 19:03.39 | Tharkun | anddam: yes, if you do not remove volatile you might end up with the wrong version of some programs |
| 19:03.55 | Tharkun | Specially av and stuff like that |
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| 19:04.41 | anddam | The following packages are BROKEN: libept0 |
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| 19:04.47 | Tharkun | yes |
| 19:05.07 | anddam | so I can go on with proposed solution? |
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| 19:05.40 | Tharkun | anddam: if you wait a few minutes i'll tell you if that solution worked. I am only this much in front of you :) |
| 19:05.52 | anddam | I'm already fetching |
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| 19:06.00 | anddam | we are DareDevils |
| 19:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | Can't seem to get get console wifi working in squeeze. Everything's where it's supposed to be but it doesn't come up. |
| 19:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | Got it managed with knetworkmanager in lenny, but no GUI in sque. |
| 19:07.44 | anddam | kernel installed |
| 19:07.53 | anddam | Tharkun: where are you now? |
| 19:07.59 | Tharkun | Still fetching |
| 19:08.07 | anddam | avg speed? |
| 19:08.12 | anddam | I had to fetch 40Mb |
| 19:08.18 | Tharkun | 17.3 KB |
| 19:08.25 | anddam | well you'll be fetching for a while |
| 19:08.26 | anddam | :-) |
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| 19:08.50 | anddam | rebooting |
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| 19:09.12 | anddam | I'm having lot of fun with VBox |
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| 19:09.51 | johnfg | Well, I can't boot back into squeeze. Must have the entries goofed up. |
| 19:10.16 | anddam | johnfg: grub entries? |
| 19:10.33 | anddam | linux-bas configuration warned about disk ID changing |
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| 19:10.40 | anddam | -base |
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| 19:12.06 | johnfg | anddam, This is from a few minutes ago, so maybe you're not getting where I'm coming from. |
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| 19:13.49 | waza-ari | hey all, installed a fresh debian lenny installation. when booting the first time, i always get the message: hdb, drive not ready for command. Since i only have one hard disc, i guess its the cd drive. any ideas where this comes from? |
| 19:14.03 | johnfg | nsadmin, I wonder if I should try a grub-install /dev/sda from lenny? |
| 19:14.09 | jhutchins | Rats, still no updates to X in squeeze, which means no GUI. |
| 19:14.46 | Tharkun | jhutchins: there is a framebuffer alternative to X i believe it is called qingy or similar |
| 19:15.07 | waza-ari | yeah, after unplugging the cd debian boots again - defect? |
| 19:15.35 | waza-ari | on the other hand i made the whole installation process with this device... where comes the error from? |
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| 19:15.52 | Tharkun | !tell waza-ari about uuid |
| 19:16.24 | johnfg | What about running grub-install from lenny? |
| 19:17.13 | waza-ari | Tharkun, what do you want to say me with that? |
| 19:18.12 | Tharkun | waza-ari: Sometimes you need to explicitly tell the kernel where you want to boot from. It saves a lot of trouble sometimes and avoids that kind of problems |
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| 19:18.29 | waza-ari | Tharkun, there is no media in cd device when booting |
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| 19:18.46 | waza-ari | i boot from hard disc. |
| 19:18.58 | waza-ari | after unplugging the device debian boots now. |
| 19:18.59 | Tharkun | waza-ari: You can totaly ignore the remark if you feel like it |
| 19:20.21 | waza-ari | Tharkun, so you say i should set an uuid? sorry, i cannot follow you |
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| 19:21.07 | Tharkun | waza-ari: in order to avoid more conflicts it should help you |
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| 19:22.13 | waza-ari | "blkid" prints out a uuid for my primary and swap partition. how to set a uuid for cd device when its not plugged in, so not recognized? |
| 19:22.28 | johnfg | nsadmin, you still here? |
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| 19:23.50 | karlpinc | Ok, so now I've got different wireless hardware and I can scan. But when I do ifup I get "wlan1: link not ready". What's the next step? |
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| 19:24.55 | cahoot | missing firmware? |
| 19:25.43 | karlpinc | cahoot: Possibly. Let me look at the chipset. |
| 19:26.15 | cahoot | unplug/replug and study dmesg for any complaints |
| 19:26.44 | anddam | _lots_ of manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 19:26.45 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.10 | anddam | while upgrading |
| 19:27.26 | karlpinc | cahoot: The compaint is "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: lnk is not ready |
| 19:27.42 | Kuifje111 | I have a problem with rtorrent, it can't open files with unicode in the name. I am using locale "en_US.UTF-8". |
| 19:29.14 | jhutchins | Oh that's cool. Recovery Mode fails to mount root filesystem. Fortunately normal mode works fine. |
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| 19:29.38 | jhutchins | All kinds of noise in the syslog, it looks like init connects the wifi just fine then networkmanger trashes it. |
| 19:29.49 | mutante | on Dell Latitude E520 hardware, tried a DVD with 4.0r4 Etch, tried a flash drive made with unetbootin seleting testing netinstall, stable netinstall, all resulted in grub not being able to install into MBR, using super grub disk selecting "boot directly" i could finally start the stable, upgraded to testing, installed gnome, and now i get a complete freeze right after gdm starts, sitting at login screen and totally frozen :/ |
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| 19:30.21 | sanzilla_ | halo ppl,I am a 3rd year CS student and what I need is the real experience of the open source software design, could anyone give me a project to contribute? |
| 19:30.41 | sanzilla_ | I mean easy to do just code review and start contributing..... |
| 19:30.46 | sanzilla_ | any idea? |
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| 19:31.33 | sanzilla_ | please give me a idea , then I may say you thaks i advance... :) |
| 19:31.46 | sanzilla_ | * thanks in advance |
| 19:32.01 | amphi | sanzilla_: cairo-compmgr seems like it could use some help ;) |
| 19:32.55 | amphi | sanzilla_: if you want something more complex, there's midori |
| 19:33.14 | amphi | why not contribute to something you use yourself? |
| 19:33.15 | linis_ | i cant see the login box in my gdm, i can just see the background. after some research on Google i found out that it was because of zlib, the php extension i installed during my last login that is causing the problem. now i cant figure out a way to uninstall this zlib. Pls help. |
| 19:33.19 | gnoob | Guys I am setting up a kiosk/infoscreen-server. I did use mingetty to autologin user. ".profile" is set to "startx".. But how to automaticly run program after started X? |
| 19:33.29 | sanzilla_ | no first simple is fine , I just finished reading advancedlinuxprogramming book |
| 19:33.39 | sanzilla_ | I mean http://advancedlinuxprogramming.org |
| 19:33.57 | gnoob | I have looked a bit on the xsession files, but still have no clue.. |
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| 19:40.34 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue where I can find the default search path of latex ? I have to add a .sty file |
| 19:43.16 | Ikarus | gnoob: .xsession |
| 19:43.29 | Ikarus | gnoob: do remember it also has to launch your window manager or desktop enviroment |
| 19:43.45 | thepro4ever | if i do "rm -r" on a symbolic link will it remove everything in the directory pointed to by the sym link? |
| 19:43.52 | rvsjoen | thepro4ever: no |
| 19:44.00 | thepro4ever | shit |
| 19:44.26 | rvsjoen | rm -r linkname/* <- that might |
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| 19:45.05 | Armageddon | I have Debian Testing/Squeeze, I can mount NTFS partitions automatically but I can't write/modify, how can I do that ? |
| 19:45.44 | amphi | gnoob: it doesn't need to launch a DE or WM, it can just launch whatever you want to run; however, when that program terminates, so will the X session |
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| 19:47.52 | linis_ | i cant see the login box in my gdm, i can just see the background. after some research on Google i found out that it was because of zlib, the php extension i installed during my last login that is causing the problem. now i cant figure out a way to uninstall this zlib. Pls help. |
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| 19:48.52 | Armageddon | linis_, can you login through single-mode ? go into command line and aptitude remove zlib or if you compiled it, make uninstall, or however it is you remove it |
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| 19:50.34 | linis_ | armageddon: i did go through the command-mode and removed the zlib folder, but nothing changed |
| 19:50.55 | linis_ | i had compiled it from source |
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| 19:51.15 | Armageddon | linis_, did you try to reconfigure gdm ? |
| 19:51.23 | Armageddon | or maybe purge it and reinstall it |
| 19:51.30 | linis_ | no, how to do it ?? |
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| 19:52.01 | gnoob | Ikarus, thanks (sorry late answer) so .xsession is the file where I write "openoffice.org -show presentation.odp"? Looks like open office runs on X without anything extra.. But to make it autorun wasnt easy :) |
| 19:52.02 | Armageddon | to purge it, aptitide purge gdm3 (I'm guessing this is what you have) |
| 19:52.43 | gnoob | amphi, sorry the noobing but whats DE or WM? :) |
| 19:52.45 | Armageddon | to purge it, aptitide purge gdm3 (I'm guessing this is what you have), linis_, or use apt-get purge gdm3 |
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| 19:53.05 | MacGyverNL | What's the default apt / aptitude behaviour for packages with the same name, on different repositories? I want to install the shorewall package from the maintainer's repository, which has a newer version than lenny's main repository. I listed his repository lower in sources.list (so it should have lower priority, right?) to test which version would be returned, and I was expecting apt to return the version from the main repo, being 4.0.some |
| 19:53.06 | MacGyverNL | thing, yet I got 4.4.something (from the maintainer) |
| 19:53.23 | amphi | gnoob: desktop environment or window manager |
| 19:53.29 | MacGyverNL | So even though the repo should have lower priority, the newer package appears to be selected. Correct? |
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| 19:53.54 | mryanbrown | mmmmmmm nds > bind <3 |
| 19:54.15 | thepro4ever | in a shell scrit how can i store the result of a command in a variable, i have tried "myvar=basename $2" then "echo myvar" and all it does is print myvar to the console |
| 19:54.17 | gnoob | amphi: ok :) |
| 19:54.45 | amphi | thepro4ever: echo $myvar |
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| 19:56.06 | amphi | !tell thepro4ever -about abs |
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| 19:56.43 | gnoob | Ikarus: when file .xsession doesnt exist in $HOME, should I create it to run scripts and programs from there? |
| 19:57.08 | zophy | can using freenode really increase your IQ by 15% ? |
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| 19:57.23 | mryanbrown | sometimes even more |
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| 19:58.38 | nsadmin | zophy: you can be as dumb or smart as you want to... no matter what irc net you're on |
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| 20:01.48 | gnoob | lol it kinda worked.. openoffice wanted to start.. but exited with: cant open display... Well, thanks amphi and Ikarus !! Im definitely pretty close now :D |
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| 20:03.04 | pallgone | gnoob: try .xsessionrc |
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| 20:03.19 | gnoob | pallgone, ok thanks :) |
| 20:03.54 | Bushmills | gnoob: startx /path/to/program |
| 20:04.33 | gnoob | cool! Ill check out that too, thanks |
| 20:05.43 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: echo $myvar |
| 20:06.11 | Bushmills | better, echo "$myvar" |
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| 20:11.50 | JyZyXEL | !java |
| 20:11.51 | dpkg | i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:12.13 | JyZyXEL | !install java |
| 20:12.13 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 20:12.23 | rvsjoen | how can I change the font size of xterm ? running at a resolution of 1920x1080 and all the fonts are fine except for xterm which is very very small |
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| 20:13.30 | nsadmin | rvsjoen: what does ctrl-rightclick do? |
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| 20:14.27 | rvsjoen | its set to default, cool, didn't know about that |
| 20:14.51 | rvsjoen | however, if I change to 'small' the font gets displayed bigger but it looks like the font changes |
| 20:14.52 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, or /msg dpkg install java, which will make it so that your request and the reply are not resent 980 times apiece |
| 20:14.57 | rvsjoen | to a rather ugly one |
| 20:15.21 | Bushmills | thepro4ever: "...result of a command" : its output, or its return value? |
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| 20:15.48 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: is that such a bad thing? |
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| 20:16.07 | nsadmin | it's such an unnecessary thing |
| 20:16.40 | JyZyXEL | maybe the bot shouldn't then even reply at the channel? |
| 20:16.56 | nsadmin | that would leave your request |
| 20:17.12 | JyZyXEL | ? |
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| 20:17.17 | sanzilla_ | is it necessary to respect ppl if I want skills in open source C++? |
| 20:17.21 | sanzilla_ | oh sorry. |
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| 20:17.41 | apt_get | Where I must put max_loop_devices into debian to raise the num of /dev/loop* devices? |
| 20:17.41 | nsadmin | sanzilla_, I think those are independent :) |
| 20:18.11 | sanzilla_ | so that means I don't need to respect. |
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| 20:18.15 | sanzilla_ | that's fine. |
| 20:18.19 | moldovean | !hi |
| 20:18.19 | dpkg | hello, moldovean |
| 20:18.29 | sanzilla_ | I do hate to respect ppl |
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| 20:18.50 | sanzilla_ | never_mind(0); |
| 20:19.34 | nsadmin | see it depends... |
| 20:19.56 | karlpinc | I'm still having wireless problems. If I have no password on the network do I need anything else in interfaces other than ifwlan1 inet dhcp wireless-essid foo ? |
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| 20:20.49 | smhar | I am having a problem with apt for few days now. since the last update of my squeeze, I am getting now this error: http://paste.debian.net/86398/ |
| 20:20.55 | nsadmin | if your skills grow to guru level and you make sure in each case to secure your position, I suppose that respect is not necessarily useful... |
| 20:21.13 | emma | Are there any opinions here about great VPSs (value wise) |
| 20:21.59 | nsadmin | but if you expect someone else to help with something for free, respect and other social and emotional intelligence elements can serve you and the people you interact with. |
| 20:22.13 | nsadmin | but that's independent also... |
| 20:22.32 | nsadmin | I think the latter section applies all the time |
| 20:23.09 | Bushmills | apt_get: /etc/modules should do |
| 20:24.10 | mryanbrown | hey, ipv6 tunnel. eth0 is set to manual config, if i specify inet my pptp connection will load, but if i specify inet6 on eth0 pptp wont load |
| 20:24.26 | nsadmin | emma: you might check out zill.net; it's kinda a mom n pop kind of thing, and the guy who runs it really takes care of me |
| 20:24.28 | gnoob | ahh great:) writing "openoffice -show presentation.odp" into .xsessionrc worked like a charm. Thanks pallgone! and Bushmills |
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| 20:24.56 | emma | nsadmin: yeah i dont need anything with frills or managed or anything. |
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| 20:25.17 | nsadmin | emma: having said that, I have my own skills and I don't need his help too often |
| 20:25.25 | gnoob | karlpinc you connect from cli? |
| 20:26.09 | apt_get | ok |
| 20:27.09 | gnoob | karlpinc but with full desktop installed? If thats the case, remove network-manager. ( I have never been able to connect to a wireless network from cli with network-manager installed..) I use the iwconfig tool |
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| 20:28.09 | Bushmills | he's gone. just for completeness, many people report having had more success by using wicd instead of network manager |
| 20:28.27 | zinx | network-manager is terrible indeed |
| 20:28.36 | gnoob | good for noobs :p |
| 20:28.48 | zinx | wicd is fine for that >_< |
| 20:28.52 | zinx | and it actually works. |
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| 20:34.35 | thepro4ever | my script is failing on line for and all i'm doing is saying destDir= "" it is failing with the error invalid command , what am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:35.33 | thepro4ever | line four |
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| 20:39.18 | johnfg | Still not able to boot squeeze. Any more ideas from anyone? |
| 20:39.34 | uwjesd | My fan is speeding, how to slow it down? |
| 20:39.39 | johnfg | Still not able to boot squeeze. Any more ideas from anyone? |
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| 20:42.00 | Bushmills | johnfg: determine the reason why you can't, then fix it |
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| 20:43.18 | johnfg | Bushmills, Did you see any of the earlier chat about this? |
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| 20:46.27 | zen-xstat | Hello! I have downloaded source tarball that has to be compiled against library that is located in a non-standard path, does anyone know how can I do this? |
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| 20:51.27 | phorce1 | can someone point out a routing howto that deals with ROUTABLE addresses and is not directed at home users routing NAT? |
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| 20:51.42 | sui | zen-xstat: take a look in the source directory. there might be a README or INSTALL file. otherwise you can take a look in the configure script. |
| 20:51.56 | phorce1 | needs to get his servers back online and his router guy is MIA |
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| 20:52.44 | zen-xstat | sui thanx i'll check that |
| 20:53.18 | petemc | phorce1: the same principles generally apply |
| 20:54.39 | phorce1 | petemc: I just can't seem to get anything to route to the inside addresses. I can resolve and ping from the router box through the WAN port but nothing through the LAN port except pinging other internal addresses |
| 20:55.52 | Cisien | phorce1, i had a similar problem. the fix was to set my $wanif mtu to 1500 (comcast was setting it to 576 via dhcp) |
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| 20:57.53 | phorce1 | Cisien: static WAN address connected to a Cisco 2600 |
| 20:58.51 | petemc | phorce1: are both the debian machine and the cisco connected to a switch? |
| 20:59.32 | phorce1 | petemc: no. Cisco connected straight to ETH0 on the debian box |
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| 20:59.54 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 20:59.57 | phorce1 | ETH1 on debian box connected to switch with other machines |
| 21:00.01 | petemc | phorce1: and does the debian machine have the ip of the cisco as its gateway address |
| 21:00.16 | phorce1 | petemc: yes it does |
| 21:00.46 | metalfan_ | whats the right way to disable some system daemon thats started via a runlevel? i tried "update-rc.d snort remove" but it says: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/snort exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 21:01.20 | petemc | metalfan_: use update-rc.d -f remove snort |
| 21:01.29 | metalfan_ | that works, but why the error |
| 21:01.38 | petemc | because it wants you to force it |
| 21:01.40 | metalfan_ | isnt this a common operation that should work without error? |
| 21:02.14 | petemc | it works without error if you use -f |
| 21:02.22 | petemc | phorce1: so what doesnt work? |
| 21:03.17 | phorce1 | petemc: I can route and ping from the debian box to the outside world. I cannot route/ping from any of the machines connected to the LAN interface to the outside world |
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| 21:03.39 | petemc | phorce1: look for an iptables script that does masquerading |
| 21:03.42 | phorce1 | petemc: and the outside world can't reach them either |
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| 21:05.00 | metalfan_ | petemc, i know...just -f seems like its not meant tobe |
| 21:05.12 | phorce1 | see, that's what's confusing me. Using the term "masquerade" makes me think of redirecting REAL_IP:PORT to PRIVATE_IP:PORT. All of my addresses are real, routeable addresses. |
| 21:05.33 | petemc | then perhaps the debian machine does bridging |
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| 21:11.05 | mcl0vin | howdy folks |
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| 21:11.57 | jhutchins | phorce1: Although most linux routing does NAT/Masquerde, it doesn't have to. |
| 21:12.34 | mcl0vin | am trying to run debian inside a virtualbox, when i go to full mode the screen is not center and i will have to scroll left and right just to get around ...this is on a hp mini notebook |
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| 21:14.16 | jhutchins | phorce1: I know some people seem to have figured it out from this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:14.36 | jhutchins | phorce1: Just don't enable NAT. |
| 21:15.16 | jhutchins | Figured out why my bookmarks didn't go away when I deleted .mozilla - shell on remote box (oops). |
| 21:15.20 | Tramp | phorce1: if the cisco is routing the addresses on the boxes behind eth1 to you, everything should be fine. I just get the impression, that you have a subnet given to you and you try to use this same subnet on the outside and on the inside - so the question is, what exactly are those IPs you are talking about |
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| 21:16.57 | jhutchins | It's true that outside routers need to know your gateway's IP. |
| 21:17.16 | jhutchins | I hate trying to help people who don't respond to anything. |
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| 21:21.20 | mariok | good night |
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| 21:23.46 | thewanderer1 | guys, how to escape C-a in screen? I need to send Ctrl-a to a program |
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| 21:24.12 | thewanderer1 | oh, it was C-a a - how "intuitive"... :P |
| 21:24.22 | thewanderer1 | pressing random keys always leads to success... |
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| 21:25.21 | CyL | Evening all... I'm deploying debian on a VPS, and I'm limited to 16 GB... I plan on making multiple prtitions... would 4 GB be enough to the root system (this will be a web server and will have a separate partition for we content)? |
| 21:26.03 | thewanderer1 | CyL: yes. |
| 21:27.02 | Kuifje111 | should be enough, yes. |
| 21:27.02 | CyL | thewanderer1: thanks... |
| 21:27.15 | phorce1 | Tramp: full /24 from Sprint. The Cisco just passes them to the router blindly |
| 21:27.57 | phorce1 | jhutchins: bouncing all over looking for answers. Replaying when I get back to this window |
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| 21:28.05 | CyL | Well, one more thing, I'm a bit confused but how long will it take (a rough estimate) to squeeze to get released? I mean, it was only a month and a half between debian 5 and debian 6 getting freezed |
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| 21:29.28 | thewanderer1 | CyL: it will be released when it's ready - probably end of this year or in q1 2011, but that's just my guess... |
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| 21:31.00 | crashanddie | Hey guys, fresh debian install, tried installing the (non-free) driver for my wifi card, however my home wifi network doesn't show up, even though the neighbour's does, and it's the same ISP, same model model (and same encryption) |
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| 21:31.18 | crashanddie | modem model |
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| 21:32.09 | newsense | anyone know where i can find the md5sum for debian lenny netinst i386 alpha 1 ? |
| 21:32.10 | sanzilla_ | need a highly andanced artificially engineered electronic computer terminal |
| 21:32.16 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: my guess is that you haven't enabled ESSID broadcast |
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| 21:32.27 | crashanddie | thewanderer1: sure have |
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| 21:33.23 | crashanddie | thewanderer1: the modem actually transmits 3 wifi networks, one is open, the other one is WPA/TKIP, the last one is WPA2/CCMP. I can see all three of my neighbour's, none of mine. But my macbook is connected to my home network |
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| 21:33.32 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: does `iwlist scan` list that? |
| 21:33.47 | crashanddie | not my own, only the neighbour's |
| 21:34.10 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: so the networks are not seen at all? not even the BSSID? |
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| 21:34.27 | crashanddie | nothing |
| 21:35.05 | crashanddie | tries rebooting |
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| 21:35.28 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: then your WiFi card might not be capable of handling multiple ESSIDs on one BSSID... I don't know if this is possible, but it looks like it is |
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| 21:35.53 | crashanddie | thewanderer1: they have different BSSID, they're all incremented by one |
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| 21:36.26 | thewanderer1 | crashanddie: then I have... no explanation for this |
| 21:36.43 | crashanddie | yeah, i'm baffled too |
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| 21:38.18 | thewanderer1 | it's probably a location thing |
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| 21:38.34 | thewanderer1 | try moving the antenna around... |
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| 21:41.28 | moldovean | crashanddie, your wifi use firmware , gust a guess |
| 21:41.42 | moldovean | ? |
| 21:41.56 | crashanddie | moldovean: yeah, iwl3945 |
| 21:42.14 | jacekowski | hmm, crashanddie here |
| 21:42.33 | crashanddie | yo jacekowski |
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| 21:43.39 | jacekowski | if you can try older kernel with older closed ipw3945 drivers |
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| 21:46.01 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 21:46.07 | crashanddie | will do that tomorrow or monday |
| 21:46.17 | toolz | hi, can anyone please tell me from where do I get debian files to create USB stick |
| 21:46.24 | toolz | for newer hardware |
| 21:46.45 | crashanddie | I don't really need wifi, I'm just going to use this lappy as a server in a corner of my office, it would've been handy, and is a pretty weird problem is all |
| 21:47.16 | toolz | as current debian netinstall does not recognise some of my hardwares, I have a stick that I created, but I need to create a new one from a server in a different location |
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| 21:48.18 | Quibus | hi all |
| 21:48.35 | Quibus | a test program that checks whether clock_gettime is monotonic fails on my testing system |
| 21:48.52 | Quibus | this seems to point to a bug in libc6... |
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| 21:51.25 | moldovean | dpkg, usb install |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:51.26 | b_52light | hi |
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| 21:51.42 | b_52light | guys how to file a word in any file in a given repertory ? |
| 21:51.45 | b_52light | find |
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| 21:52.14 | thewanderer1 | Quibus: what do you mean by that? |
| 21:52.30 | moldovean | !sunday |
| 21:52.31 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 21:52.52 | b_52light | :) |
| 21:53.21 | Quibus | thewanderer1: I mean there seems to be a serious bug in testing! |
| 21:53.55 | thewanderer1 | Quibus: but what happens? :P |
| 21:54.10 | Quibus | thewanderer1: time flows backwards, according to the test program |
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| 21:55.13 | moldovean | Quibus, report it |
| 21:55.19 | thewanderer1 | Quibus: flows or leaps? do you mean the 2038 thing? |
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| 21:56.08 | Quibus | thewanderer1: no, not 2038 |
| 21:56.21 | wpgmb | help - please.. I'd like to install and try KDE 4.4.x, but aptitude can't find kde-desktop??? |
| 21:56.40 | Quibus | http://debian.pastebin.com/3Pc0KE5P |
| 21:56.43 | moldovean | !as |
| 21:56.43 | dpkg | [as] autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
| 21:56.43 | Quibus | Try that program with: |
| 21:56.50 | moldovean | wpgmb, ^^ |
| 21:56.52 | Quibus | gcc -std=gnu99 -lrt monotonic2.c && ./a.out |
| 21:57.38 | wpgmb | moldovean: tried it... gives NO results |
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| 21:58.03 | moldovean | so it doesn't exist ? |
| 21:58.08 | wpgmb | correct |
| 21:58.13 | moldovean | and ? |
| 21:58.42 | wpgmb | According to my system, kde-desktop does not exist :-P |
| 21:59.02 | moldovean | !pdo |
| 21:59.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 22:00.44 | Quibus | hmm, maybe it's an SMP issue |
| 22:01.29 | Quibus | good night |
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| 22:05.30 | Milp_main | Does anyone here know if there is a brand of micro sdhc carts that dont break after only few days of usage? |
| 22:05.39 | Milp_main | *cards |
| 22:05.53 | wpgmb | found it.. kde-desktop was for kde 3.x KDE 4.4.x requires different packages. |
| 22:07.46 | thewanderer1 | Milp_main: try ##hardware |
| 22:08.29 | Milp_main | heh im already on it, thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 22:35.43 | thewanderer1 | I need a domain name to resolve to different IP addresses depending on the client subnet - how to? |
| 22:35.54 | petemc | bind 9 views |
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| 22:36.31 | thewanderer1 | thanks :) |
| 22:36.36 | petemc | np |
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| 22:40.54 | s5s | Is there a way to automatically find other linux installations on the HDD? |
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| 22:41.44 | moldovean | os-prober |
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| 22:42.57 | s5s | moldovean: but does it automatically edit the grub file? |
| 22:43.01 | moldovean | !os-prober |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/os-prober Use this to construct an add-on to your grub.cfg grub2 for dual{,triple,...}-booting other OSes. |
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| 22:46.14 | phorce1 | what kernel did Sarge install? |
| 22:46.39 | moldovean | .32 |
| 22:46.52 | DarkJustice | Got a chmod question (I think anyway)... installed a pastebin for my website and chmodded a folder to 777 temporarily to test it but when trying to load the site I get "/home/www/posts/ needs to be a writable dir to use file storage engine" |
| 22:47.01 | moldovean | sarge 2.6.8 ? |
| 22:47.02 | phorce1 | moldovean: sarge, not squeeze |
| 22:47.26 | phorce1 | looking for which debian came with a 2.2 kernel as stock |
| 22:47.28 | petemc | it defaulted to 2.4 |
| 22:47.35 | phorce1 | so that would be woody |
| 22:48.02 | petemc | woody used bf2.4, no? |
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| 22:48.26 | s5s | emachado: |
| 22:48.43 | petemc | would be potato |
| 22:49.48 | phorce1 | I'm looking at a link from someone who was upgrading their woody install from 2.2 to 2.4 so woody must have also |
| 22:49.53 | Ori_B | hum. Interesting, it seems like I've been bitten by this problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588370 |
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| 22:50.29 | Ori_B | Problem: (1) My CD burner is on the machine that doesn't boot, so a live CD is rather hard. |
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| 22:50.49 | Ori_B | (2) I have mdraid on that machine, so even if I could boot, I'm not exactly sure how to fix it. |
| 22:51.00 | phorce1 | now lets see if I can find a complete woody installer so I can get this stupid firewall operational with the original ipchains script to give me breathing room to upgrade it to iptables on another machine |
| 22:51.24 | Ori_B | anyone have an idea on how I should go about fixing grub? |
| 22:51.42 | petemc | phorce1: is it a complicated script? |
| 22:53.05 | phorce1 | petemc: 111,864 bytes |
| 22:54.11 | moldovean | Ori_B, see #grub |
| 22:54.29 | phorce1 | petemc: 2401 lines |
| 22:54.33 | Ori_B | moldovean: ok, thanks. |
| 22:55.40 | phorce1 | is grabbing woody iso's now <sigh> |
| 22:56.08 | thewanderer1 | how to enable VNC in qemu monitor? |
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| 22:57.16 | petemc | phorce1: did you figure out how it works in general? does it do bridging or straight routing? |
| 22:58.31 | phorce1 | petemc: it's too convoluted (and undocumented) for me to follow easily. I need to just get it working to give me time to read netfilter docs and convert it on another machine |
| 22:58.49 | phorce1 | petemc: and the router guy is officially fired by voicemail |
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| 22:59.23 | petemc | harsh |
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| 23:07.28 | phorce1 | so, would cd1 of woody be enough for a base system with ipchains? |
| 23:07.42 | Ikarus | ipchains |
| 23:07.49 | Ikarus | ... |
| 23:08.05 | Ikarus | has been unsupported since, uh, 2003 or so |
| 23:08.14 | petemc | phorce1: the install kernel probably doesnt have ipchains |
| 23:09.32 | phorce1 | Ikarus: you missed the (day long) story |
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| 23:09.48 | Ikarus | phorce1: you can try a ipchains to iptables conversion script |
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| 23:10.12 | phorce1 | Ikarus: tried, failed (2400 line ipchains script) |
| 23:10.34 | Ikarus | phorce1: what kind of madness.... |
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| 23:11.10 | tharkun | What package should i install to have X running ? |
| 23:11.20 | stuckey | I'm trying to change the grp and owner of a folder and I get: chgrp: changing group of `usb/': Operation not permitted |
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| 23:12.27 | phorce1 | Ikarus: firewall/router built in 2000 then added to and not documented for 10 years. I have no clue what it's doing and need to just get it working again to give me breathing room to build a new iptables box |
| 23:13.03 | Ikarus | phorce1: you do realise that any box you build is going to be a huge security hole |
| 23:13.26 | Ikarus | even the modutils in Debian for the last 3 releases doesn't support 2.2 kernels |
| 23:13.37 | stuckey | I also can't copy anything to the stick. |
| 23:14.13 | stuckey | anyone? |
| 23:14.37 | DarkJustice | uggh frustrating.. anyone that can help with what I think is a chmod issue? ... keep getting "/posts/ needs to be a writable directory" and I have set the folder temp. to chmod 777 and still get the error, and I think I have my .htaccess file right ( http://pastebin.com/8ztjpUYz ) |
| 23:14.38 | phorce1 | Ikarus: no way around it at the moment |
| 23:15.21 | Ikarus | phorce1: well, iirc 2.4 kernels still have ipchains as an option |
| 23:15.31 | Ikarus | and those are still sort of supported |
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| 23:16.17 | tharkun | Ikarus: that would be sarge and if my memory serves me right it is since 2005 that support was dropped for it |
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| 23:17.15 | _linuxftw | Hi, I've got a problem with my debian home server - it's randomly crashing every few days. When it crashes it stops services like SSH, and samba, but I can still ping it. How would I find out what's wrong with it? |
| 23:17.39 | streuner | logs |
| 23:17.43 | petemc | _linuxftw: check syslog/messages |
| 23:17.45 | _linuxftw | I know, but which ones do I look at? |
| 23:17.46 | _linuxftw | ok |
| 23:17.49 | Ikarus | _linuxftw: sounds like kernel issues (possibly due to bad hardware) |
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| 23:17.55 | Ikarus | don't forget to run memtest86 |
| 23:18.10 | petemc | sounds more like the oom killer to me |
| 23:18.31 | Ikarus | phorce1: that shouldn't start out with ssh and Samba |
| 23:18.44 | _linuxftw | If it helps, it usually crashes during intense IO activity with some of my external hard drives |
| 23:18.56 | Ikarus | OOM killer has negative preference for things with listening sockets and running as root |
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| 23:19.06 | Ori_B | moldovean: problem solved. it seems that I didn't have grub configured to update all drives at once |
| 23:19.16 | moldovean | cool |
| 23:19.21 | Ori_B | so shuffling the boot device priority fixed it for now |
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| 23:19.43 | Ori_B | *reconfigures grub to put itself on all disks* |
| 23:19.45 | streuner | steals petemc's glass thingie, its prolly better/bigger of most of ours :-) |
| 23:19.51 | Ori_B | thanks :) |
| 23:19.57 | moldovean | np |
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| 23:20.42 | petemc | reading logs generally better than crystal balls of any size |
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| 23:21.50 | phorce1 | Ikarus: re: 2.4 kernel. Won't work since I'm not sure what the script is doing ---> http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/howto/c-html/ipchains-on-2.4.x.html |
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| 23:22.42 | og01 | can i block a package being installed even if something else depends on it? |
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| 23:23.09 | moldovean | !hold |
| 23:23.09 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 23:23.48 | og01 | thanks, u'll try |
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| 23:24.51 | thewanderer1 | what's a good channel for QEMU/KVM questions? (yeah, on Debian, too...) |
| 23:25.06 | og01 | thewanderer1: thats what im fighting with today! |
| 23:25.15 | og01 | thewanderer1: been at it for hours |
| 23:25.25 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.28 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps you know how to launch VNC in nographic mode :P |
| 23:25.40 | rvsjoen | is the issue with proprietary ati driver and xorg resolved ? does the fglrx driver work with xorg 1.7 ? |
| 23:25.51 | _linuxftw | Ok, the last log entry is from 40 mins ago (roughly when it crashed). It's postfix trying to deliver a mail through dovecot, which I uninstalled a while back, so it's erroring saying dovecot can't be found. Could that really be crashing the server though? |
| 23:26.26 | streuner | nah |
| 23:26.33 | streuner | unlikely |
| 23:26.44 | og01 | thewanderer1: I've got a ovh system which comes with a custom kernel, i need to use that kernel (with some modifications) and block the stock kernel being installed when i install kvm. and no im sorry im using some fancy gui front end and really dont know how to use qemu from commandlnie |
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| 23:27.06 | og01 | thewanderer1: good luck though |
| 23:27.41 | streuner | _linuxftw: just read the logs, there should be more details about |
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| 23:28.24 | streuner | _linuxftw: what kind of kernel? |
| 23:28.42 | streuner | in a modern kernel, the system shouldnt crash at all... |
| 23:28.57 | streuner | but thats theory/future |
| 23:29.04 | _linuxftw | uname -a reports Linux mydomain.com 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:59:47 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh really? so in old kernels, crashing was part of the design? |
| 23:29.09 | thewanderer1 | og01: aptitude --without-recommends install kvm ? do you mean this? |
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| 23:29.26 | og01 | thewanderer1: that might help |
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| 23:29.51 | petemc | _linuxftw: how long did you wait to decide it had crashed? a high load would cause applications to be unresponsive, but its not the same as a crash |
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| 23:30.01 | User_007 | hello! |
| 23:30.05 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: you got that totally wrong |
| 23:30.22 | _linuxftw | petemac: ssh was hanging for minutes, but ping was instant, and I was trying to connect with samba for about 20 minutes |
| 23:30.39 | petemc | no local access to the machine? |
| 23:30.42 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: (the idea is, that a system shouldnt crash, no matter what you doing within other software) |
| 23:30.51 | _linuxftw | petemc: no, basically |
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| 23:31.08 | petemc | anything else in the logs? |
| 23:31.13 | User_007 | I need help.. i brought an Ipod Touch 8GB but i can't sync on linux... when i plug it, it mounts something like "afc://c8d3283d" |
| 23:31.24 | _linuxftw | I'm still checking them all, but not seen anything relevant |
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| 23:31.30 | stuckey | hi all |
| 23:31.48 | bleakgadfly | hi stuckey, welcome to Debian Customer Care, how may I help you? |
| 23:31.48 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: the fact is, there is more and more pressure to support newer stuff... |
| 23:32.07 | stuckey | bleakgadfly: lines 6 and 15, look at them: http://paste.debian.net/86419/ |
| 23:32.15 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: which doesnt make a kernel more stable... |
| 23:32.34 | bmatanzo | User_007: There is a way if your firmware is below 3.00 |
| 23:32.40 | stuckey | user can't write to usb device although I've changed /mnt/usb/ 's group and owner to this user. |
| 23:32.52 | bmatanzo | User_007: you will need to jailbrake it first |
| 23:33.07 | petemc | stuckey: what filesystem is the device? you need to set permissions for fat/ntfs at mount time |
| 23:33.16 | stuckey | petemc: fat16 |
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| 23:33.26 | petemc | !vfatrw |
| 23:33.26 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 23:33.27 | User_007 | bmatanzo, i have 4.0 jailbroken |
| 23:33.51 | petemc | tho im not sure vfat does fat16, cant recall |
| 23:34.40 | bmatanzo | User_007: All i can say is nice job |
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| 23:35.10 | User_007 | ok ty |
| 23:35.26 | streuner | well, vfat is a nightmare on USB |
| 23:35.37 | streuner | its limited to 4 GB... |
| 23:35.42 | stuckey | petemc: fail http://paste.debian.net/86420/ |
| 23:36.02 | petemc | stuckey: right, try -t msdos |
| 23:36.27 | stuckey | petemc: only root can do that |
| 23:36.33 | thewanderer1 | streuner: er what? 4GB filesystem? I have a 6GB filesystem somewhere around... |
| 23:36.51 | stuckey | petemc: http://paste.debian.net/86421/ |
| 23:37.06 | streuner | thewanderer1: its ok for usbsticks, but not for HDs |
| 23:37.30 | ScottG | So I just deleted a massive .xsession-errors file that was about 95GB large. However, df is still showing my home partition being completely full. Why? |
| 23:37.38 | thewanderer1 | streuner: I thought they were the same |
| 23:38.04 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: hard link? |
| 23:38.43 | petemc | stuckey: you might want to read up on the mount command |
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| 23:39.01 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.27 | moldovean | fat16 has no partition |
| 23:39.31 | stuckey | petemc: you told me to put this in fstab. I did that. Why do I need to specific all this stuff now? |
| 23:39.39 | stuckey | the fstab line doesn't work |
| 23:39.42 | streuner | thewanderer1: i meant, you have usually bigger files on a HD vs. usbstick |
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| 23:39.53 | ScottG | thewanderer1: Figured it out |
| 23:40.33 | petemc | stuckey: i did mention afterwards that it may not be vfat. take some time to think about what you're doing and dont blithely type commands given to you |
| 23:40.53 | stuckey | I don't konw this word blithely. |
| 23:40.59 | stuckey | petemc: It is vfat. |
| 23:41.02 | stuckey | It's fat16 |
| 23:41.13 | streuner | dpkg, vfat |
| 23:41.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, vfat is a very fat 32-bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for information on getting write access for regular users, ask me about <vfatrw>, or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it. |
| 23:43.17 | streuner | stuckey: what petemc prolly wanna tell you, the idea is the same, no matter what FS... |
| 23:43.27 | streuner | vfat or something |
| 23:43.29 | thewanderer1 | what is the recommended filesystem for pendrives now, anyway? |
| 23:43.38 | stuckey | fat16 |
| 23:43.41 | streuner | omg |
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| 23:43.42 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 23:44.02 | stuckey | Everything can read it, except linux :) |
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| 23:45.17 | streuner | i dont know what you think you are using, prolly not fat16, thats history in stoneages |
| 23:45.30 | thewanderer1 | if 'everything' == 'DOS' then yes :) |
| 23:45.44 | stuckey | Meh... I'll come back to this later. |
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| 23:46.15 | anddam | hi |
| 23:46.39 | _linuxftw | I've found this in /var/log/debug, http://pastebin.com/ZzbebPA0, anyone know what it means? |
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| 23:47.41 | phorce1 | creating ext2 filesystem (for 2.2 and newer kernels only)... |
| 23:47.59 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.04 | streuner | phorce1: sounds like fun :-P |
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| 23:49.43 | DDRP | T _linuxftw: I don't see anything that bizarre in that dmesg |
| 23:49.54 | _linuxftw | it's from /var/log/debug |
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| 23:51.03 | _linuxftw | dmesg isn't very helpful because it doesn't have times as part of the messages (unless [ 32.744045] is a time) |
| 23:51.55 | dvs | _linuxftw: it is |
| 23:52.02 | DDRP | 32 seconds since boot, surely |
| 23:52.10 | _linuxftw | facepalms |
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| 23:52.26 | streuner | thewanderer1: he is prolly just confused - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Final_FAT16 |
| 23:53.21 | thewanderer1 | hm, could be |
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| 23:54.24 | _linuxftw | Does the dmesg log only contain boot information? |
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| 23:55.04 | streuner | sure |
| 23:55.41 | streuner | dpkg, dmesg |
| 23:55.41 | dpkg | dmesg is, like, print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
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| 23:58.04 | thewanderer1 | _linuxftw: on my system, dmesg contains lots of stuff like iptables rejection logs or so, and this is certainly not boot :P |
| 23:58.13 | thewanderer1 | dmesg contains only kernel information |
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| 23:59.20 | og01 | ah so is dmesg basicly the stdout from the kernel? |
