| 00:01.30 | thewanderer1 | are Debian's shutdowns and bootups saved anywhere? like "system booted at 03:14 \n shut down at 13:37" |
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| 00:04.22 | HardDisk_WP | peace |
| 00:04.43 | HardDisk_WP | will dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb work to clone a DVD when sda is a reader and sdb is a dvd writer? |
| 00:05.25 | thewanderer1 | I'm not really sure - I would use wodim/other writing software in this case |
| 00:05.48 | thewanderer1 | I've never tried writing to a disc writer this way :P |
| 00:05.59 | imasaint | you know, it's funny |
| 00:06.03 | imasaint | I figured out my own problemn |
| 00:06.06 | imasaint | There is not okay or save settings button. I'm using the flash player settings panels at http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager06.html |
| 00:06.12 | imasaint | How do I enable microphone for flash apps in Firefox? I keep getting this error message: You must first "Allow" permissions in "Microphone Settings" to use Voice Search. |
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| 00:06.24 | imasaint | Some dumbpoop here couldn't answer |
| 00:06.28 | imasaint | so I figured out how |
| 00:06.31 | NiLon | imasaint right click on flash window and settings :p |
| 00:06.38 | imasaint | Nilon: That doesn't work |
| 00:06.47 | imasaint | You need to manually go to the Adobe website to configure your flash player |
| 00:06.50 | imasaint | in Firefox |
| 00:07.16 | imasaint | I have another question |
| 00:07.24 | NiLon | well I only remember seeing such option there :) |
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| 00:08.08 | imasaint | try going to http://www.midomi.com and click the record flash thing |
| 00:08.15 | imasaint | It won't work, will it :) |
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| 00:09.34 | thewanderer1 | imasaint: hm, complain to Adobe :P |
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| 00:13.34 | eightfold | bah, i'm struggling to get debian boot on my mac mini |
| 00:13.38 | eightfold | it is the only os |
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| 00:14.11 | eightfold | i've installed it not via the graphical installer and chose it to be "bootable" during install and installed grub to the drive |
| 00:14.15 | eightfold | just not booting :( |
| 00:14.18 | eightfold | ideas? |
| 00:14.30 | T3hFly | I'm constantly having to log out and log back in because my alsa keeps crashing and restarting alsa-utils doesnt fix it. does anyone know of a fix? |
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| 00:15.37 | thewanderer1 | T3hFly: turn off applications that break it... |
| 00:15.59 | T3hFly | browser breaks it and restarting the app doesnt fix it |
| 00:16.07 | thewanderer1 | so it's not alsa that breaks |
| 00:16.17 | T3hFly | sound driver in the kernel maybe? |
| 00:16.20 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 00:16.32 | thewanderer1 | most probably your desktop environment's sound server |
| 00:16.38 | thewanderer1 | ESD or Arts |
| 00:16.41 | T3hFly | hmmm |
| 00:16.44 | pjs | is there a way to "disable" a package from starting at boot? I guess I can remove the /etc/init.d script, but is there a file or config somewhere to enable/disable them? similar to /etc/rc.conf on FreeBSD? |
| 00:16.47 | T3hFly | happened in both kde and xfce |
| 00:17.03 | thewanderer1 | pjs: update-rc.d |
| 00:17.12 | pjs | thewanderer1, thank you |
| 00:17.56 | thewanderer1 | T3hFly: it seems highly improbable to me that a user can break/fix ALSA as a whole - try to restart your DE's sound server next time it happens |
| 00:18.06 | thewanderer1 | (plus, Flash is not a good piece of software...) |
| 00:19.32 | T3hFly | Well its been supported for years. and its everywhere on the net.. pretty much a necessary evil |
| 00:19.41 | T3hFly | last till HTML5 |
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| 00:21.47 | thewanderer1 | "supported"? heh. rather "delivered as-is" :P anyway, I haven't run into this kind of problem... it's probably an undead process taking up ALSA all the time |
| 00:21.48 | thewanderer1 | try killing flash when it breaks |
| 00:22.33 | thewanderer1 | is using HTML5 on youtube already and doesn't need flash elsewhere - who would want ads anyway |
| 00:23.04 | thewanderer1 | kill the flash zombies with signal 9 or so, your alsa should work fine again |
| 00:23.20 | T3hFly | thewanderer1, Eh its probably a squeeze isolated issue |
| 00:23.52 | thewanderer1 | I'm running squeeze/sid and it doesn't happen to me (granted, I fire up flash once a day, but still) |
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| 00:34.09 | eightfold | how do i manually edit grub? |
| 00:34.23 | eightfold | debian isn't booting. i've pressed esc during booting the live cd |
| 00:34.31 | eightfold | get to a "boot:" prompt |
| 00:34.36 | eightfold | press e, but nothing happens |
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| 00:37.27 | pjs | wow, debian really mangles the default python setup.. so if I want to manually symlink to a python module, it looks like I do so from /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6, is that right? what is /usr/lib/pyshared used for? |
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| 00:41.11 | du | will "apt-get update" install the most recent security patches? |
| 00:42.11 | weedar | When upgrading some packages I am asked if I want to install the package-maintainer's version or keep my own if the file has been changed (typically files in /etc) - Is there a parameter I can pass to apt-get so all such questions are answered "keep currently-installed version"? |
| 00:42.15 | dondelelcaro | du: yes |
| 00:42.25 | du | Thank you |
| 00:42.37 | dondelelcaro | du: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; rather. |
| 00:42.54 | dondelelcaro | du: assuming you're using stable and have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
| 00:43.06 | weedar | I want to avoid user-interaction |
| 00:43.13 | du | apt-get upgrade won't upgrade apache or something unexected right? |
| 00:43.31 | dondelelcaro | du: it'll upgrade apache if apache has security fixes that need to be deployed |
| 00:43.45 | du | interesting |
| 00:43.51 | du | Thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 00:49.21 | du | yeah security.debian.org is a source |
| 00:50.10 | hesco | thewanderer1: thanks for that insight on ttf files. Not really familiar with how fonts are organized and made available. Got distracted by a support call here, but do appreciate the response. |
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| 00:51.53 | ohmy | hi |
| 00:52.16 | ohmy | Can anyone help me please :( |
| 00:53.10 | ohmy | i have just installed squeeze and didn't gave attention to grub installation. Now i can't start my laptop without usb key inserted (booting from usb key) to access debian |
| 00:54.03 | duxklr | Was the USB key the install medium? |
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| 00:54.32 | ohmy | duxklr, yes it was |
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| 00:56.41 | ohmy | duxklr, crazy, i can't access anything else (i've dual boot system with windows) and even with usb key i can only boot on debian, please do you know any fix ? |
| 00:56.46 | duxklr | I am waiting for my browser to start up... but this should be as simple as locating the directions for installing GRUB in the MBR. |
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| 00:57.47 | duxklr | So what you need to do is install GRUB. Then located the partitions that hold Debian (which sounds like is already done), as well as the other partitions such as Windows. |
| 00:58.31 | ohmy | duxklr, http://pastebin.com/Z9fpg23F the result of fdisk |
| 00:58.54 | ohmy | duxklr, you meant i have to remove/re-install grub ? |
| 01:00.40 | duxklr | No need to remove anything if it is already installed... |
| 01:01.02 | duxklr | Try: sudo apt-get install grub |
| 01:01.06 | duxklr | just to be sure it is installed. |
| 01:01.53 | duxklr | or |
| 01:01.55 | duxklr | dpkg-query -l | grep grub |
| 01:02.11 | duxklr | That will tell you if it is installed. |
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| 01:03.43 | ohmy | duxklr>http://pastebin.com/RaqBxge7 yes it is, when i apt-get isntall grub it shows me an informations as grub2 contains better features then grub (or something like) |
| 01:04.16 | jhutchins_lt | !why aptitude |
| 01:04.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 01:04.53 | peterrooney | I'll believe that once the debian security advisories advocate the use of aptitude instead of apt-get, as they do currently. |
| 01:05.22 | jhutchins_lt | ohmy: Grub2 is also much more complex because it has options for dealing with exotic storage, EFI bioses, strange chipsets, and booting your mother-in-law's dentures by way of Mars. |
| 01:05.50 | duxklr | So as long as you have a grub installed you should be OK. |
| 01:05.57 | duxklr | grub or grub2 |
| 01:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: Depends on which ones you read. No current advisories recommend apt-get over aptitude, although many are written using apt-get out of habit. |
| 01:06.03 | peterrooney | isn't that what was said about grub when they started working on it (except for the EFI) ? |
| 01:06.18 | duxklr | we need to get the first stage boot loader put in the MBR so the system can boot without the usbkey in. |
| 01:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | All I remember is that grub supposedly solved a problem that existed in lilo twenty years ago and was long since fixed. |
| 01:06.54 | duxklr | Right now I am moving 500gb of data on my laptop and it is slow as can be so trying to find these docs is a small challenge at the moment... |
| 01:07.09 | ohmy | jhutchins_lt, of course, all what i wan't is to be able to boot without usb key, and to see windows in the bootlist :( |
| 01:07.21 | ohmy | duxklr, i'll try to restart in few |
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| 01:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | duxklr: THere's a grub-install wrapper that will implement it if the .deb is already there. |
| 01:08.14 | duxklr | He has grub, I am just trying to find the command to install in MBR for him. |
| 01:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | That would be grub-install |
| 01:08.26 | duxklr | If you know it please tell. |
| 01:08.54 | duxklr | His boot disk is /dev/sda |
| 01:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | grub-install |
| 01:09.04 | duxklr | Do you pass any options to it? |
| 01:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | Query driven. |
| 01:09.12 | duxklr | Cool. |
| 01:09.20 | duxklr | Will it find his Windows partitions automatically also? |
| 01:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | duxklr: I'm not sure of that, but update-grub will. |
| 01:10.26 | peterrooney | in my debian security mail folder, over 500 messages, and only two mentions of aptitude, both of which mention using aptitude as an alternative to apt-get, not as a first choice. Must be a really strong habit. |
| 01:10.51 | duxklr | jhutchins_lt: ok that is what I was thinking... |
| 01:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | Strangely update-grub finds the names of other distros installed, but it just puts "linux-<kernel>" in the menu. |
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| 01:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: Yup. |
| 01:11.37 | ohmy | grub-install then update-grub ? |
| 01:11.41 | duxklr | ohmy: So run 'grub-install' See if that builds the proper /boot/grub/grub.cfg (if you are using grub2) |
| 01:11.46 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: That's why I try to jog people's elbows when they recommend apt-get instead. |
| 01:11.56 | duxklr | look for obvious windows boot lines in there. |
| 01:11.59 | duxklr | if there are not |
| 01:12.06 | jhutchins_lt | ohmy: grub-install, then if windows doesn't show up, update-grub. |
| 01:12.13 | duxklr | then run update-grub afterwards. |
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| 01:12.20 | duxklr | yea |
| 01:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | I know this works. For all I know, update-grub would work, for all I know grub-install will find windows. |
| 01:12.57 | duxklr | I bet it does... |
| 01:13.04 | duxklr | I have not had to do this in years... |
| 01:13.05 | duxklr | :) |
| 01:13.07 | ohmy | jhujhiti, duxklr, http://pastebin.com/BjrKwEEh what options should i pass to grub-install please ? |
| 01:13.20 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: Heck, some people still tell you to use dselect. |
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| 01:14.04 | ohmy | grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 01:14.15 | duxklr | I believe that would be correct. |
| 01:14.27 | duxklr | I AM GOING TO SAY... Do you have backups... |
| 01:14.29 | duxklr | ? |
| 01:14.39 | duxklr | I don't want to be the one responsible for trashing your drive. |
| 01:15.01 | duxklr | That being said, grub-install /dev/sda should be correct. |
| 01:15.17 | ohmy | Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda2 thak you all !!! |
| 01:15.25 | duxklr | slick. |
| 01:15.27 | ohmy | thank you all |
| 01:15.38 | duxklr | so grub-install found everything itself? |
| 01:16.03 | ohmy | duxklr, no, followed by update-grub |
| 01:16.06 | duxklr | ok. |
| 01:16.09 | ohmy | rebooting, brb |
| 01:16.09 | duxklr | good to know. |
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| 01:16.15 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, I guess there are different versions. |
| 01:16.27 | duxklr | well I guess we will see if that worked for him :) |
| 01:17.02 | jhutchins_lt | The one I used last was on CentOS 4. |
| 01:18.15 | duxklr | If it was not for me moving all these files right now, I would boot a VM box and test for him first... |
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| 01:21.19 | ohmy | hi again |
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| 01:21.59 | ohmy | excellent, i can boot on debian now and i'm so happy :) but i failed to boot on windows (seen the windows logo then just a black screen and reboot) |
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| 01:22.38 | duxklr | cool. |
| 01:22.45 | duxklr | (mostly) |
| 01:22.49 | terron | how can I get available framebuffer resolutions on a server not running X? |
| 01:23.31 | duxklr | ohmy: Since windows is booting, it sounds like the Grub portion of it is working... |
| 01:23.48 | ohmy | duxklr, yes |
| 01:23.59 | duxklr | Need to put kids to bed... bbiab |
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| 01:38.32 | nooper | that is a gigantic 6 address |
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| 01:43.45 | redDEADresolve | im trying to install debian squeeze on my desktop, cant get x to work with my nvidia card, any help? |
| 01:43.59 | stew | terron: hwinfo --framebuffer |
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| 01:48.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | What would an "/etc/apt/sources.list" entry look like if I wanted to use a folder on a USB drive as a package source? I'm copying my set of DVD repo disks to folders on a drive. |
| 01:48.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Can I use a UUID for it? |
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| 01:56.13 | coteyr | any .deb people floating around, need a little help building a simple deb package. |
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| 01:57.48 | immibis | http://losethegame.com/ |
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| 01:58.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell coteyr about any |
| 01:59.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: look you want file:/// URIs |
| 02:00.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | coteyr: you should just ask your question. |
| 02:00.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok so UUID is not useable in sources.list. (Just so I am clear.) |
| 02:01.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | ? |
| 02:01.05 | coteyr | well its really really simple I have some config files that I need in palce on about 40 servers, so I build the package (http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm) but one of the configuration files is also installed by a nother package |
| 02:01.19 | coteyr | basically I want to install a nagios.cfg file and a nagios_local.cfg file that is custom. |
| 02:01.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: not sure i understand your question ? the drive will have to be mounted somewhere to read its contents - thats not apts job |
| 02:02.15 | coteyr | and to include the dependances as well (nagios-nrpe-server and nagios-plugins) I got all that working, but the config file from my package will not overwrite the file from the other packages. |
| 02:02.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | coteyr: have a look at the developers reference, iirc it talks about this. |
| 02:05.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah I know it needs to be mounted but I have more than one USB storage device. How can I specify which device without specifying a UUID? |
| 02:07.17 | coteyr | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html section 10.7 is about as close as I can get but it doesn't really say anything. |
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| 02:08.49 | coteyr | bagh one sec |
| 02:08.51 | coteyr | I can read |
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| 02:09.44 | OldParr | can one use skipe in debian? is there anithing on the repos ? |
| 02:11.47 | Pryon | apt-cache search skype |
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| 02:13.47 | coteyr | so basically I can't do that? |
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| 02:15.50 | OldParr | apt-cache search skype ---> returns nothing |
| 02:16.01 | beardy | !skype |
| 02:16.01 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 02:17.29 | stew | coteyr: debian policy says you can't touch the config file of another package. you might, however look at dpkg-divert |
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| 02:21.11 | coteyr | stew; that looks liek the right thing, now if I could just figure out how to use it in the deb. |
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| 02:27.18 | OldParr | does ekiga can communicates with a person in skipe? |
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| 02:31.24 | beardy | Not easily directly. Only over POTS. |
| 02:31.55 | OldParr | beardy: talking to me? |
| 02:32.02 | beardy | OldParr: Yes. |
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| 02:32.11 | OldParr | what is pots |
| 02:32.16 | beardy | !pots |
| 02:32.16 | dpkg | pots is probably Plain Old Telephone System |
| 02:33.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | I installed LXDE as my main desktop environment. What do I do to adjust the volume of my sound? Do I need to just install one of the sound mixer packages is all? |
| 02:33.28 | beardy | OldParr: Skype uses a proprietary closed modified SIP-like protocol. |
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| 02:34.49 | thepro4ever | i did a search on all chess packages available for debian, now that I have a list of potential packages is it possible to get a more detailed description of each package? |
| 02:35.15 | beardy | thepro4ever: 'apt-cache show packagename' |
| 02:35.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | nm I got it |
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| 02:39.44 | OldParr | how do you install /home/username/package.deb with aptitude ? |
| 02:39.46 | coteyr | stew: that worked, kinda, but it pointed me in the right direction |
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| 02:43.09 | thepro4ever | ummm i just installed gnuchess with apt-get how do I know how to start it? |
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| 02:44.12 | OldParr | thepro4ever: gnuchess at a terminal |
| 02:44.38 | OldParr | how do i install a local file with aptitude? |
| 02:45.38 | thepro4ever | OLDParr, wtf its not opening a gui window it says white(1) make a move: at the terminal |
| 02:45.49 | dondelelcaro | OldParr: throw it into a temporary archive or use dpkg |
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| 02:46.53 | thepro4ever | WTF GNUCHESS IS A NIGHTMARE, you play it at a terminal |
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| 02:47.28 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: it's a chess engine; there are various frontends that use it |
| 02:48.32 | thepro4ever | i'm looking for something that is at least built with 2d graphics and trains on playing chess |
| 02:48.47 | thepro4ever | my aptitude search on chess doesn't show many options |
| 02:48.52 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: so use xboard or something that provides eboard and uses gnuchess as a backend |
| 02:49.21 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: you'll probably also want its opening book (and possibly other books as well) |
| 02:50.26 | OldParr | dondelelcaro: dpkg -i file.deb ? |
| 02:50.34 | dondelelcaro | OldParr: yes, but what are you installing? |
| 02:50.41 | OldParr | skipe |
| 02:51.48 | OldParr | skype |
| 02:51.52 | beardy | OldParr: Follow dpkg's instructions, adding the repository will give you upgraded packages, possibly. |
| 02:52.53 | thepro4ever | dondelelcaro: does xboard show up in your apt search? if so what repo is it coming from? |
| 02:54.04 | beardy | thepro4ever: Are you on Ubuntu? |
| 02:54.40 | thepro4ever | beardy: i'm on debian |
| 02:54.49 | OldParr | beardy: do you mean adding a repo from skype? |
| 02:55.19 | beardy | thepro4ever: xboard and eboard should be there |
| 02:55.26 | beardy | OldParr: Yes. |
| 02:57.11 | thepro4ever | beardy: they don't, these are my only options http://codepad.org/yas3CyjL |
| 02:58.09 | beardy | thepro4ever: You're searching on packagename. |
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| 02:58.57 | thepro4ever | beardy: I'm searching wrong? |
| 02:59.40 | thepro4ever | beardy: i'm searching on all chess games available for download and play i thought |
| 03:00.57 | beardy | thepro4ever: You're not. I don't know right now how to search descrptions with aptitude, but 'apt-cache search chess' |
| 03:01.33 | thepro4ever | beardy: WOW! |
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| 03:03.10 | GodlessAndWicked | pf |
| 03:03.50 | beardy | thepro4ever: :) |
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| 03:07.05 | thepro4ever | anyone in here have any favorites for chess packages? |
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| 03:18.10 | gh0st3r | I keep gettting this message in logs: "error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Operation not permitted" |
| 03:18.20 | gh0st3r | Anyway to fix this error? |
| 03:19.17 | gh0st3r | do I change the permissions on /proc/self/oom_adj? |
| 03:24.35 | nsadmin | grobe0ba|away is there something you're doing that's causing the log entry? use tail -f on the appropriate log in a spare xterm, then notice when that error is coming up (perhaps) as you strike enter on a particular command |
| 03:26.02 | gh0st3r | nsadmin, wrong user :P its whenever i log in to the VPS via SSH |
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| 03:54.32 | brah | Quick question.. more like a complaint if anything |
| 03:54.43 | brah | If you derp during the select and install software, you cant press escape to go back until it's done downloading |
| 03:54.48 | brah | I'm like whut |
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| 03:56.11 | brah | Nobody? |
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| 04:00.18 | nsadmin | to derp.... or to not derp... |
| 04:01.38 | nsadmin | if it's actually downloading, you can hit ctrl-c safely |
| 04:02.11 | nsadmin | if it's installing or doing anything else, and you hit ctrl-c, that is very likely to cause some kind of problem |
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| 04:04.08 | nsadmin | oh, you mean on a fresh install, and you're referring to the workflow of selecting packages... |
| 04:05.02 | brah | Yeah. |
| 04:05.08 | brah | You can't go back. There's no turning back. |
| 04:07.27 | nsadmin | for the installer, that might be the case... |
| 04:07.48 | brah | So you either wait for it to finish, or reset potentially causing havoc to the installation. |
| 04:07.52 | nsadmin | however, you can remove/install tasks after the install is finished |
| 04:08.17 | nsadmin | so while it can be a hassle to wait, you do have some reversability |
| 04:08.29 | brah | Unless you're doing a netinst, then it's going to take quite a while. |
| 04:08.54 | nsadmin | lots of times, I just install the base with netinst |
| 04:09.19 | nsadmin | then I reboot into the most minimal possible and go from there... |
| 04:09.24 | nsadmin | but aside from that |
| 04:09.32 | brah | I was guiding a newbie friend of mine through the installation. She tried to select the packages with enter, which ended up selecting only the base system. |
| 04:09.39 | nsadmin | debian used to have this installer called boot-floppies |
| 04:09.48 | brah | I told her to press escape to cancel it. Turns out you can't. |
| 04:11.13 | brah | So I tried myself because I thought she was at fault. |
| 04:11.35 | nsadmin | boot-floppies worked pretty well... but maintaining it had several big problems, like you had to always use the same exact packages and kernel, otherwise you were altering several config files, makefiles and source |
| 04:12.08 | beardy | Not sure that helps him much. |
| 04:12.31 | brah | I just came here to see if anybody agreed with me. |
| 04:12.37 | beardy | brah: Learn that Enter doesn't select, Space does. Enter confirms the whole thing. |
| 04:12.40 | nsadmin | the maintainers of boot-floppies were diehard hangeroners too, they didn't want to let go when it came time to really try debian-installer (what we have now) |
| 04:13.04 | nsadmin | beardy: pretty much, he came to talk |
| 04:13.17 | beardy | Alright. |
| 04:13.40 | nsadmin | debian-installer is MUCH easier to alter |
| 04:14.01 | nsadmin | replacing a kernel which used to be so hard is now a snap |
| 04:14.37 | nsadmin | it's all parted out into individual packages, so that the work can be distributed |
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| 04:14.54 | nsadmin | in short, it's nice to work on under the hood... |
| 04:15.01 | nsadmin | the point I'm leading to... |
| 04:15.08 | brah | beardy, it wasn't my fault. It was a friend of mine. |
| 04:15.21 | nsadmin | is I bet you could talk someone into working with that |
| 04:15.27 | beardy | Such events, and erasing flash memory, teaches one not to press Enter too hastily. |
| 04:16.14 | nsadmin | brah: so I dunno if you code or not... but if you do, maybe you could add a way to abort |
| 04:16.41 | brah | I'm not familiar with it. My best guess is that it's based on ncurses. |
| 04:16.57 | nsadmin | well it's factored |
| 04:17.08 | nsadmin | so it can use many different frontends |
| 04:17.15 | beardy | brah: Now you know, what which key does. |
| 04:17.42 | brah | Yeah, I should have told her earlier. |
| 04:17.49 | redDEADresolve | how do i get better looking fonts in debian? |
| 04:17.50 | beardy | Easiest would be to add it to the instructions. |
| 04:17.52 | brah | Didn't realize. |
| 04:18.19 | brah | Still, it's kinda strange. |
| 04:18.30 | brah | You can go back at any point of the installation, except for that one. |
| 04:18.39 | brah | Which is unfortunately the longest one. |
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| 04:18.59 | beardy | Kill the process downloading if you really want to then. |
| 04:19.14 | brah | You can't. |
| 04:19.22 | beardy | I'm sure you can. |
| 04:19.24 | brah | Ctrl-c does nothing. |
| 04:19.33 | beardy | Alt-F2, kill. |
| 04:20.01 | beardy | No, the process showing you progress bars and so on doesn't do the work. |
| 04:20.03 | neoice | anyone have USB issues in .32 kernels? |
| 04:20.11 | newsense | nope |
| 04:20.37 | newsense | usb works fine here |
| 04:21.04 | brah | Working fine and dandy here. |
| 04:22.17 | nsadmin | neoice: that's a very generic non-specific question... here's a likewise answer: |
| 04:22.19 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 04:22.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 04:23.18 | nsadmin | if anyone has X issues in Y, just go to the bts and search for X and Y |
| 04:23.19 | neoice | nsadmin: how about I ask a question with a specific answer. whats the most recent kernel avalible in sid? |
| 04:23.32 | nsadmin | ,kernels |
| 04:23.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 04:23.41 | neoice | or additionally, where did I get .32-trunk and why do I have a bad feeling about it? |
| 04:24.06 | brah | Uh, it happens. |
| 04:24.16 | nsadmin | you have a "bad feeling" because you're associating a story with a body sensation |
| 04:24.19 | brah | Some of my coworkers landed on it magically. |
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| 06:36.48 | R136a1 | how do i check my disk space using command line? |
| 06:38.14 | horgh_ | df -h |
| 06:38.22 | R136a1 | horgh_, thanks |
| 06:38.28 | horgh_ | yup |
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| 07:12.32 | torpedotux | hello folks. is there a way to make pushd global for different shell [i pushd'ed from one shell and popd from another]. Thanks! |
| 07:14.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 07:14.57 | torpedotux | argh! |
| 07:14.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless its a child shell, in which case you could probably assign the path a varieable and export it |
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| 07:15.17 | torpedotux | ok Kamping_Kaiser ;) |
| 07:15.20 | torpedotux | ta |
| 07:15.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | torpedotux: np :) |
| 07:16.07 | torpedotux | Kamping_Kaiser: keeping well these days mate? |
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| 07:17.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | torpedotux: keeping busy, and plus or minus a few annoyances at work i'm going pretty well :) how aobut yourself? |
| 07:17.33 | torpedotux | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah same. |
| 07:17.37 | torpedotux | thanks for asking |
| 07:17.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 07:18.06 | torpedotux | alrighty. need to get this going.. take it easy mate |
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| 07:22.01 | johntramp | hi. if i connect a monitor to a laptop am i able to have 2 separate desktops, or can i only use one or the other? |
| 07:24.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure i understand your question. |
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| 07:25.56 | cahoot | johntramp: you get one extende (IME) |
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| 07:29.30 | johntramp | if i connect a monitor to my laptop am i able to have a similar setup to a dual-monitor system, or am i only able to use the laptop's display or the external monitor |
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| 07:30.39 | cahoot | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 07:32.32 | johntramp | i see. that is just what i am after. thanks cahoot |
| 07:33.39 | streuner | !seen judd |
| 07:33.39 | dpkg | judd is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 3h 10m 5s, last said: 'Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnh'. |
| 07:35.34 | streuner | judd, what are you? |
| 07:35.48 | streuner | hm |
| 07:35.49 | cahoot | , |
| 07:36.17 | streuner | cahoot: sure, but it is a blootbot or supybot? |
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| 07:38.00 | Joint | hey i have a question i just recently install nvidia, by mistake, from the website, I'm using amd 64, how can i remove, the other version that i had the one that i install with the driver |
| 07:38.47 | Joint | because now i have two versions of nvidia |
| 07:38.48 | Joint | now |
| 07:39.13 | Joint | 173.14.27 and the other one 195.36.34 |
| 07:39.18 | Joint | *24 |
| 07:39.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !nvidia |
| 07:39.38 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 07:39.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Joint: ↑↑ |
| 07:39.58 | EmleyMoor | Joint: You mean you installed one "not the Debian way" and want to remove it? Try #nvidia if so |
| 07:40.37 | Joint | i want to remove the one from nvidia that i've recently install |
| 07:40.42 | Joint | and messed up the driver, |
| 07:40.48 | Joint | seems odd |
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| 07:43.03 | Joint | i want to remove the version 173* HOW CAN i remove it |
| 07:43.03 | Joint | sorry |
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| 07:46.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Joint: the reverse of how you installed it |
| 07:46.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Joint: go to their website/channel - where presumably you got this - and look for/ask for information there |
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| 07:50.51 | Joint | this is what i mean http://pastebin.ca/1922518 |
| 07:50.54 | Joint | how can i remove one? |
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| 07:59.15 | rares | is there any reason that debian uses cpio instead of tar? |
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| 07:59.54 | rares | for initram imgs |
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| 08:11.15 | jelly-home | rares: does the kernel support .tar there? |
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| 08:32.54 | Innocentus | hi anyone |
| 08:33.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 08:33.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:43.12 | Innocentus | hehe |
| 08:43.35 | Innocentus | so I want to know if it would be wise to restart a webserver automatically at night by script |
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| 08:44.13 | codingrobot | why would it be wise?! it's supposed to run 24/7 |
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| 08:45.26 | rares | I can easily edit files in tar archives |
| 08:45.38 | rares | can't do that in cpio |
| 08:46.17 | rares | codingrobot: that's a Windows ism |
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| 08:47.20 | codingrobot | hehe.. exactly ;) |
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| 08:50.38 | Zarrasqueta | i'm using debian lenny, and there are no backports for wine... any way to upgrade it ? |
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| 08:51.45 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 08:53.47 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm trying to use compiz and according to --> http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz I had to run this " compiz --replace " do I have to have the system run this command at boot in order to have compiz work on the next boot, or will compiz auto work on the next boot? |
| 08:54.24 | Innocentus | maybe it is better so that everything is cleaned up and freshly started? |
| 08:55.03 | ShapeShifter499 | ? |
| 08:55.56 | Innocentus | well maybe the heap is stuffed when the server runs too long |
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| 08:56.50 | jelly-home | maybe you want to read your web server software documentation to see if there already are workarounds for possible memory leaks |
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| 08:57.43 | jelly-home | Innocentus: like apache's MaxRequestsPerChild |
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| 08:59.47 | Bushmills | ShapeShifter499: you --replace when another window manager is already running |
| 08:59.55 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions wine |
| 08:59.56 | judd | wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 09:00.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Zarrasqueta about ssb |
| 09:00.43 | Zarrasqueta | uh, thanks |
| 09:00.49 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 09:00.50 | ShapeShifter499 | Bushmills, ok but will compiz run at boot the next time I start my computer? |
| 09:01.14 | Bushmills | how should I know how you have set up your machine? |
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| 09:02.02 | ShapeShifter499 | I just installed compiz via apt-get |
| 09:02.11 | ShapeShifter499 | nothing else done |
| 09:02.14 | jelly-home | Zarrasqueta: wine packages in Debian are quite outdated, but see the links in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585409#65 |
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| 09:03.10 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm... |
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| 09:03.17 | Bushmills | compiz --replace doesn't change your configuration |
| 09:03.28 | jelly-home | Zarrasqueta: sorry, message #39 has the links, not #65 |
| 09:03.37 | Zarrasqueta | hehe, k |
| 09:05.58 | ShapeShifter499 | Bushmills, I'll just reboot, the wiki didn't mention anything about setting it up so it would start at next boot, so if after this reboot compiz doesn't start than I did something wrong |
| 09:06.00 | ShapeShifter499 | brb |
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| 09:08.35 | Innocentus | oh right |
| 09:08.37 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 09:09.41 | ukl | hello #debian. I'm trying to set up two different keyboard layouts -- one for the laptops internal and one for a wireless one -- how can I do this? |
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| 09:17.46 | ShapeShifter499 | Bushmills, ok I got it working thanks |
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| 09:23.15 | Selveste1 | is now away: I'm not here at the moment, but I will reply as soon as possible |
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| 09:24.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Selveste1: please turn that off |
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| 09:28.55 | Trashi | hi. im looking for a debian logos because i want to set a link on the website of our company ... but i cant find s.th. like this? does anybody know where to find? |
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| 09:29.44 | thewanderer1 | try http://www.debianart.org/ |
| 09:29.48 | mutante | Trashi: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 09:30.12 | Trashi | thank u |
| 09:30.40 | mutante | Trashi: eh, best is probably www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 09:30.43 | mutante | :p |
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| 09:51.53 | eshat | Where can I get help with apache ? |
| 09:55.21 | lost_soul | best place would likely be in the #apache channel |
| 09:56.08 | lost_soul | or httpd channel |
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| 09:56.59 | TimmyT | Where can I find Intel GMA 4500 driver? |
| 09:57.53 | TimmyT | There is nothing in synaptic, also debian doesn't install its driver automatically |
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| 09:59.30 | miasma | hi, could someone help me. I installed some unstable/experimental packages and it seems the system refuses to run some basic scripts now with the message "/usr/bin/programname: Can't open /usr/bin/programname". The program exists there and is a link to /bin/programname. the shell (bash or dash) refuses to run them |
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| 10:00.20 | miasma | e.g. '$ sh /bin/which' --> sh: Can't open /bin/which |
| 10:01.36 | mutante | type: which which |
| 10:01.46 | mutante | i get /usr/bin/witch |
| 10:01.53 | mutante | not /bin/which |
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| 10:01.58 | miasma | mutante: it can't run the command |
| 10:02.18 | mutante | arr, of course not "witch" ,hah |
| 10:02.42 | miasma | ls -l /usr/bin/which says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root ... /usr/bin/which -> /bin/which |
| 10:02.44 | mutante | miasma: what if you type "/usr/bin/which which" |
| 10:02.49 | miasma | it can't run it |
| 10:02.58 | miasma | maybe the bash/dash is broken? |
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| 10:03.05 | miasma | it seems to work in zsh |
| 10:03.29 | miasma | or maybe which is builtin in zsh |
| 10:03.42 | miasma | no, even zsh can't run it |
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| 10:04.59 | mutante | hmm... and its not a permission problem? even root cant do it? |
| 10:05.04 | miasma | mutante: how much do you have experience with these. I traced the call with strace. it says permission denien, when trying to open the file |
| 10:05.10 | mar77i | hi, how can I test what package a file "/path/to/file" belongs to, with apt/dpkg? |
| 10:05.10 | miasma | *denied |
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| 10:05.33 | miasma | mutante: dpkg -S ? |
| 10:05.38 | miasma | sorry |
| 10:05.39 | miasma | mar77i: |
| 10:05.45 | mar77i | heh, and apt? |
| 10:06.12 | miasma | mutante: root can actually execute those |
| 10:06.24 | miasma | sudo sh /bin/which works |
| 10:06.33 | mutante | miasma: hmm, ls -hals /bin/which ? |
| 10:07.07 | miasma | mutante: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 945 date /bin/which* |
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| 10:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | TimmyT, it's the intel or i915 drivers in xorg |
| 10:07.47 | mutante | mar77i: checked out "apt-file"? |
| 10:07.49 | miasma | mutante: and the volume is mounted with rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro, there's no noexec |
| 10:08.02 | mar77i | oh right I remember |
| 10:08.25 | mutante | miasma: hmm, sorry, not enough experience then, clueless right now |
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| 10:09.30 | miasma | mutante: thanks for the help. it helped a bit. now I only need to find out what causes the lack of permissions |
| 10:09.32 | mutante | hmm, and /bin/ itself is also still r+x by everbody? |
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| 10:09.57 | miasma | mutante: ah no, the owner is me (user 1000) :O |
| 10:10.12 | mutante | ah |
| 10:10.27 | miasma | but changing that to root didn't fix it |
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| 10:10.58 | miasma | mutante: but yea, rwxr-xr-x it has |
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| 10:11.28 | miasma | mutante: I seem to be able to run elf binaries located in that folder, but the sh scripts refuse to run |
| 10:11.58 | TimmyT | CutMeOwnThroat: What do you mean? |
| 10:12.08 | mutante | ah, maybe because they have #!/bin/bash in their first line, and now you replaced that with zsh? |
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| 10:12.26 | miasma | they have #!/bin/sh actually. |
| 10:12.51 | miasma | changing that to #!/bin/zsh actually fixes the issue |
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| 10:13.05 | mutante | see if you can /bin/sh /path/to/the/script manually ... |
| 10:13.10 | mutante | aha |
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| 10:13.18 | miasma | maybe my bash/dash installation is borked |
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| 10:13.34 | miasma | I'll try to reinstall some older bash |
| 10:13.45 | mutante | good luck, i need to go |
| 10:13.49 | miasma | thanks |
| 10:13.50 | miasma | o/ |
| 10:14.58 | Bushmills | miasma: which which -> /usr/bin/which |
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| 10:15.21 | jargon- | is there a pastebin for links? somewhere i can paste URLs and they appear as hyperlinks? |
| 10:15.31 | miasma | Bushmills: what do you want to say? |
| 10:15.42 | Bushmills | you had it as /bin/which |
| 10:16.07 | miasma | Bushmills: no, the which which would probably return /usr/bin/which, but it's a symlink to /bin/which |
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| 10:17.00 | Bushmills | oh, right. it is. |
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| 10:17.42 | miasma | is it safe to remove bash&dash if you're running zsh? does apt tools depends on dash/bash? |
| 10:17.51 | miasma | *depend |
| 10:18.30 | babilen | miasma: Dash/Bash is needed by a number of scripts and you shouldn't remove them. Why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 10:18.48 | miasma | i need to downgrade dash, I'm using the one from debian experimental |
| 10:19.08 | miasma | it would just be temporary |
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| 10:19.35 | babilen | *sigh* -- you might have luck with running "dpkg -i the_version_of_dash_for_your_debian_release.deb" |
| 10:19.54 | miasma | I can't remember the version I need and don't have a browser at hand :F |
| 10:20.12 | babilen | You can find previously downloaded (and installed) Debian packages at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:20.16 | Bushmills | i don't think so. bash is required, a lot of scripts rely on it |
| 10:20.20 | babilen | ,versions dash |
| 10:20.22 | judd | dash -- etch: 0.5.3-7; lenny: 0.5.4-12; squeeze: 0.5.5.1-6; sid: 0.5.5.1-7; experimental: 0.5.6.1-1~exp0 |
| 10:20.37 | babilen | miasma: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 10:20.51 | miasma | babilen: a mixture of all versions. it was testing at first |
| 10:21.13 | babilen | miasma: Well, have fun. |
| 10:21.50 | miasma | hmm |
| 10:21.51 | miasma | so even apt-get could break without bash/dash? |
| 10:22.05 | babilen | miasma: init scripts would break for example |
| 10:22.22 | miasma | ah, it doesn't matter. i would just remove the packges & reinstall immediately |
| 10:22.50 | babilen | miasma: Why don't you just dpkg -i the correct package? What error do you get when you do that? |
| 10:23.10 | Bushmills | there's work going on to remove the bash dependency, and let scripts hashbang sh instead of bash. but some scripts still reference bash |
| 10:23.24 | miasma | babilen: I have trouble forming the correct package name :F |
| 10:24.40 | babilen | miasma: Download the version you want from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 10:25.30 | babilen | miasma: Or have a look at the output of "ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/*dash*" |
| 10:25.50 | miasma | babilen: I only have the experimental dash there |
| 10:26.08 | babilen | miasma: Then download the version you want from packages.debian.org |
| 10:26.18 | miasma | right, trying with lynx |
| 10:28.42 | abrotman | miasma: you can just force the downgrade |
| 10:29.31 | miasma | abrotman: how would I do that? aptitude -t testing reinstall dash + something ? |
| 10:29.52 | miasma | anyways, I managed to manually install the testing packages. it works now \o/ |
| 10:30.25 | abrotman | nevermind then! |
| 10:30.55 | miasma | note to myself: remember to study more of those apt-software switches |
| 10:31.03 | miasma | thanks all |
| 10:31.32 | babilen | miasma: Note that installing packages from experimental (and sid) will eventually break your system. |
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| 10:33.58 | miasma | babilen: unfortunately. the sid packages have had a good quality so far |
| 10:34.32 | babilen | miasma: unfortunately? |
| 10:34.52 | babilen | consider yourself lucky ;) |
| 10:35.02 | miasma | I've used the sid packages for years |
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| 10:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | miasma, then you've been lucky far above average |
| 10:35.24 | miasma | mostly graphical end user apps |
| 10:35.31 | miasma | not the core functinality |
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| 10:42.00 | TimmyT | WHERE CAN I FIND FUCKEN DRIVER OF INTEL GMA 4500 ? |
| 10:42.03 | TimmyT | AHHHHHHHH |
| 10:42.18 | abrotman | TimmyT: stop with the caps and cursing |
| 10:42.25 | abrotman | TimmyT: which version of debian are you using? |
| 10:42.47 | Dassu | :-) |
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| 10:43.46 | TimmyT | abrotman: I asked you about intel gma and nvidia and you tolled me intel gma is better, now please tell me where can i find its driver??? |
| 10:43.54 | abrotman | TimmyT: which version of debian are you using? |
| 10:44.00 | TimmyT | lenny |
| 10:44.02 | TimmyT | stable |
| 10:44.07 | abrotman | !tell TimmyT about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:44.11 | TimmyT | 5.0.2 |
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| 10:56.14 | skamikaze | hi all |
| 10:56.31 | skamikaze | got a question on swatch: where do i put in my custom rules? didn't get it |
| 10:56.50 | skamikaze | and how do i receive emails on my mail address sent to root? |
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| 10:59.59 | cahoot | via an alias? |
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| 11:01.38 | skamikaze | how does it have to look? i am new to server administration |
| 11:01.54 | skamikaze | alias mail=root="/usr/bin/sendmail ... ? |
| 11:02.04 | atula | hi all. I have an Atom D510 motherboard I it appears to support 64bit instructions. Which version should I use to install? i386 or perhaps ia64 |
| 11:02.05 | skamikaze | would never work |
| 11:02.23 | skamikaze | not ia64 atula |
| 11:02.32 | skamikaze | amd64 would be 64bit |
| 11:02.46 | atula | Intel Atom D510 |
| 11:02.53 | atula | perhaps i386 is fine ? |
| 11:03.12 | skamikaze | do you have a 64bit processor? |
| 11:03.37 | atula | from the site it says, instruction set : 64 bit |
| 11:03.38 | atula | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43098 |
| 11:03.51 | abrotman | atula: so it would be the i386 or amd64 |
| 11:03.59 | skamikaze | then i would prefer amd64 architecture atula |
| 11:04.08 | atula | oh I see |
| 11:04.26 | miasma | atula: my experiences with cheaper core2duo setups have shown that if you don't have lots of cpu cache & main memory, the amd64 setup both requires more memory & performs worse |
| 11:04.33 | atula | amd64. is that a misleading name? I understand that AMD came out with 64bit first |
| 11:04.43 | abrotman | atula: if you read the website, it's not misleading |
| 11:05.18 | abrotman | atula: http://www.debian.org/ports/#released .. look for amd64 |
| 11:05.24 | atula | okay. let me take a read |
| 11:05.26 | atula | thanks |
| 11:05.35 | abrotman | and see ia64 i guess |
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| 11:07.15 | atula | when they say " Instructions set: 64bit" that's a 64bit cpu, right? sorry I haven't been looking into hardware much |
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| 11:07.37 | abrotman | atula: yes, the 510 is 64bit |
| 11:07.37 | jacekowski | atula: intel came up with ia64 which was 64bit instruction set on 32bit cpu |
| 11:07.52 | abrotman | jacekowski: huh? |
| 11:07.54 | jacekowski | and it's used on itanium now |
| 11:08.28 | jacekowski | atula: not always |
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| 11:08.48 | jacekowski | hmm, that wasn't ia64 |
| 11:09.06 | jacekowski | there was something they were using on early "64bit" pentiums |
| 11:09.20 | atula | okay. I think it is settled then. I will use adm64. |
| 11:10.12 | miasma | jacekowski: i think they've changed the instruction set semantics a bit, intel's 64-bit x86 and amd's have some differences |
| 11:10.21 | atula | next question: if I want to do a raid-1 and mirroring 2 drives (software raid), do I install debian on one then create the raid after? |
| 11:10.36 | miasma | but there's a compatible subset and probably amd64 distros use that |
| 11:10.51 | abrotman | miasma: such a minor difference that no one but intel's compiler cares |
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| 11:10.59 | lweight | hello |
| 11:11.17 | miasma | atula: both ways are possible |
| 11:11.33 | miasma | atula: if you want raid-1 root, i recommend setting up the raid first |
| 11:11.38 | atula | so I could even create the raid and then install ? |
| 11:11.41 | atula | I see. |
| 11:11.49 | miasma | depends on your installation method |
| 11:12.13 | atula | if that was the case, would the boot-up/installation process allow me to create software raid before installing ? |
| 11:12.32 | miasma | can't remember. probably yes |
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| 11:13.16 | pallgone | hmm, isn't ia64 64-bit only, whereas amd64 is backwards compatible? AFAIK intel adapted the amd64 standard because MS and other went for that rather than their ia64... |
| 11:13.17 | miasma | atula: if you're using the standard installer, you need to set up the partitions with raid autodetect id and then assemble the array right after that |
| 11:13.29 | miasma | atula: then mount /dev/md0 to / |
| 11:14.03 | atula | oh also, just a little thing I still don't get. in raid-1, 2 drives are mirror, does that mean if the drive 1 has more than 1 partition, it will mirror that as well? the reason I ask is because if I could separate the os on a partition and another partition for files-directory that would be great. but I guess I could live with just 1 partition |
| 11:14.53 | miasma | atula: the raid array will be constructed from partitions. you don't need to use the whole disk |
| 11:15.11 | atula | ah. you're right. |
| 11:15.28 | miasma | e.g. /dev/sda1 + /dev/sdb1 -> /dev/md0 |
| 11:15.48 | atula | is it normal to have 2 partitions on each drive. on array to hold the os and another array to mount a file directory ? |
| 11:16.17 | atula | or maybe everyone just prefer a 1 big partition to put everything |
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| 11:16.40 | lweight | I'm getting occasional hangs on a Thinkpad x61s running Lenny and suspect it's the iwl4965 driver/ucode. Is a kernel + iwlagn from BPO a good idea? |
| 11:17.01 | miasma | atula: i think having separate partitions is better for desktop users unless you have very small amount of disk space |
| 11:17.04 | lweight | I seem to be increasingly installing more and more stuff from BPO... |
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| 11:17.40 | abrotman | lweight: you could migrate the whole box to squeeze (obviously other risks there) |
| 11:17.58 | lweight | I'd sort of hope to be "stable" |
| 11:18.03 | atula | I'm just making a low power server tower to be a file server (samba?)... web, version control, dns... just something for myself in the house |
| 11:18.11 | lweight | But I keep finding stuff missing in Lenny else just broken |
| 11:18.18 | atula | I wonder if that will do okay |
| 11:18.40 | lweight | abrotman: is running a BPO kernel on Lenny a big deal in terms of reliability, in practice? |
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| 11:19.00 | atula | use backports then ? |
| 11:19.06 | miasma | atula: having separate partitions will increase your resistance to data corruption in any case |
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| 11:21.15 | abrotman | lweight: not from what i've heard |
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| 11:21.34 | atula | but mirroring 4 (total) member partitions on 2 drive .. if one drive fails, 2 raids will be gone instead of just 1... I don't know the implication of that |
| 11:21.39 | atula | we'll just have to experiment |
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| 11:22.12 | abrotman | lweight: not in general, though i have an iwlwifi card, and it does sometimes 'freak out', but i'm not sure if that's network-manager or the driver |
| 11:23.00 | atula | abrotman: now that I think about it ... since Atom D510 is actually 64bit and not EM64T, perhaps it is best that I use ia64 rather than amd64 as the descriptions on amd64 says EM64T support |
| 11:23.11 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 11:23.19 | abrotman | atula: if it's 64bit, it's EM64T |
| 11:23.31 | abrotman | atula: ia64 will NOT work on that CPU |
| 11:23.56 | atula | okay. I don't understand then. I had thought that EM64T is 32bit extension |
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| 11:24.47 | atula | "First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors, called EM64T; for these, see the AMD64 port." |
| 11:24.49 | abrotman | EM64T is an extension over the normal 32bit instruction set .. IA64 is a completely different/incompatible instruction set |
| 11:25.10 | atula | intel has different 64bit implementations ? |
| 11:25.16 | xingu | "Intel's" ... well... really... HP's |
| 11:25.28 | xingu | but let's not let history get in the way of revisionism. :) |
| 11:25.30 | abrotman | atula: yes, intel has two separate and incompatible 64bit instruction sets |
| 11:25.53 | abrotman | xingu: intel does manufacture them .. and i'm not sure HP sells itanium anymore |
| 11:26.17 | atula | I see. and my atom d510 is of the EM64T family then ? |
| 11:26.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | xingu: well... really digitals ;) |
| 11:26.22 | abrotman | atula: without confusing you more .. you want either i386 (32bit) or amd64 (64bit) |
| 11:26.40 | abrotman | atula: yes-ish .. close enough for these purposes :) |
| 11:26.41 | xingu | it was HP arch through and through, if you look at it vs the PA-RISC you'll see the lineage... |
| 11:27.31 | atula | hehe. okiedokie. thank you so much everyone. I'll just test first and see what happens |
| 11:27.59 | miasma | atula: if you have 2 raid-1 partitions on both drives, the arrays remain functional if only one drive fails |
| 11:27.59 | atula | it's just a personal server tower... I just hope that I get the whole raid thing done well |
| 11:28.31 | miasma | assuming both arrays use partitions from both drives |
| 11:29.43 | atula | miasma: so I am thinking of this schemes: sda1 has 2 partitions: A1, B1 and sda2: A2, B2... if I were to create a raid 1 with A1+A2 for OS and B1+B2 for another mount. Is that a normal thing? |
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| 11:30.00 | atula | just so I am not confused with some other schemes |
| 11:30.18 | atula | this is what we're (you're) talking about,r ight? |
| 11:31.59 | thewanderer1 | atula: you might want to rethink the setup you just typed, it doesn't make sense to have 2 partitions on sda1 or so... |
| 11:32.43 | thewanderer1 | you're gonna have /dev/md0 consisting of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, and /dev/md1 of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 |
| 11:32.50 | atula | actually. I guess a better question regarding the 64bit/32bit install.... If I want to create a server that does network file server, web (for testing) and host version controls (Mercurial) and DNS... should I do 32bit or 64bit? |
| 11:32.59 | miasma | atula: don't forget the swap partitions |
| 11:33.26 | thewanderer1 | atula: 64-bit... you are not going to run into any incompatibilities (Flash?) on a server |
| 11:33.33 | miasma | atula: how much ram does the machine have? |
| 11:33.45 | atula | 2GB |
| 11:34.06 | thewanderer1 | is running amd64 on Atom 330 with 2GB and it's fine |
| 11:34.23 | miasma | i guess there's no much difference. amd64 might be better in that case |
| 11:34.37 | eshat | what is best way, to write a simple parser... |
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| 11:35.13 | lweight | abtrotman: argh, looking like iwlagn may not be a good idea: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16591 |
| 11:35.20 | atula | okay. here's my hardware: 2x1TB drives, Atom D510 board, 2GB DDR2.... I want to do build an aforementioned server... I want raid. What would be a good scheme for me to do? |
| 11:36.08 | thewanderer1 | atula: /dev/md0 about 512MB for /boot, /dev/md1 2GB for swap, /dev/md2 for LVM - the rest of space |
| 11:36.09 | atula | *sigh, I'll have to install from USB too, I hope that's not so complicated. Last time I usually use the Debian netinstall CD |
| 11:36.11 | abrotman | lweight: yeah, i get that every few days .. better than your whole machine locking up |
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| 11:37.06 | atula | thewanderer1: so having the os and files on 1 array? and essentially raiding 6 partitions on both drives to create 3 arrays |
| 11:37.10 | lweight | abrotman: hrm, true. Is that after days of uptime? Or just at random and on everage every few days? |
| 11:37.55 | abrotman | lweight: random/averaging every few days .. and it's a laptop, doesn't have days of uptime |
| 11:38.11 | lweight | abrotman: ok, thanks. |
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| 11:38.26 | thewanderer1 | atula: that's what I basically do |
| 11:38.27 | abrotman | lweight: you can always go backwards .. |
| 11:39.25 | atula | thewanderer1: so if 1 drive fail, I need to rebuild 3 raids? |
| 11:39.38 | pierreghz | Hello all, I have a weird problem with my console, the encoding dies each time I use X.org, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup works, but just for the time I'm not using X.org, what's wrong ? (Debian Lenny) |
| 11:39.48 | thewanderer1 | atula: yes, but it's no different from rebuilding just 1 array - the space stays the same |
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| 11:40.29 | atula | thewanderer1: I see. cool. did you install the raid before you install the OS? |
| 11:40.38 | thewanderer1 | atula: no, I migrated |
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| 11:41.07 | thewanderer1 | it's not always very straightforward, so it's better to do it right from the start |
| 11:41.11 | atula | so in my mind, I'm imagining: install everything on 1 disk then install raid and synch 2 disks over |
| 11:41.25 | atula | but I haven't done a raid for MBR before |
| 11:41.48 | atula | so I wonder if I could create raid upfront then install everything on the array themselves |
| 11:41.51 | thewanderer1 | hm, you'd better go with the installer |
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| 11:42.02 | thewanderer1 | Debian-Installer lets you install your system on RAID |
| 11:42.29 | atula | I see. would the installer allow me to create partion and then raid right there and then ? |
| 11:42.35 | lweight | abrotman: true. One other option apparently is to downgrade the iwl4965 firmware from what ships with Lenny |
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| 11:42.50 | thewanderer1 | atula: yes, you create the RAID in the installer before installing files onto it |
| 11:42.58 | lweight | abrotman: but I'm not sure if that has performance implications |
| 11:43.03 | abrotman | probably |
| 11:43.40 | atula | great. I will give it a try. if it breaks... I'll try again :) |
| 11:43.59 | atula | thank you everyone, abrotman thewanderer1 miasma |
| 11:44.05 | atula | you guys have been wonderful. thank you |
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| 11:44.54 | abrotman | runs away and cries |
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| 11:51.28 | thewanderer1 | hands abrotman a Squeeze mascot to cheer up |
| 11:51.38 | lweight | what's the command to show wireless firmware search path? |
| 11:51.38 | abrotman | an alien? |
| 11:52.13 | thewanderer1 | lweight: I guess it is in dmesg |
| 11:52.57 | lweight | thewanderer1: ISTR once running a command that displayed the search order for loading firmware |
| 11:53.01 | lweight | I might have imagined this. |
| 11:57.10 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:28.31 | eightfold | what repository should add to synaptic if i want to download firefox? |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | you already have it, it's called iceweasel |
| 12:31.03 | eightfold | abrotman: yeah, but does it do extensions? |
| 12:31.13 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:31.29 | abrotman | which plugin do you want? |
| 12:32.08 | eightfold | abrotman: abrotman: great, so there shouldn't be much of a difference to firefox? up to date with the rendering engine used in firefox? |
| 12:32.18 | eightfold | abrotman: no plugins, just extensions. |
| 12:32.30 | abrotman | i have no idea what features you're looking for, i can't answer that |
| 12:32.47 | eightfold | abrotman: stylish, adblock etc |
| 12:32.58 | abrotman | i meant the rendering |
| 12:33.15 | eightfold | ah, k |
| 12:35.08 | eightfold | is there a way to change the default size of the terminal window? tried creating a profile, but can't find such an option |
| 12:35.12 | stew | eightfold: iceweasel is very little more than a rebranding, its not functionally different |
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| 12:37.02 | eightfold | stew: great |
| 12:37.42 | c3l | doesnt debian support ext4? at least the installer cant use ext4, why is this? is it because there is only an installer for the stable release? |
| 12:37.44 | stuckey | , versions gnash |
| 12:37.45 | judd | gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.4-3~lenny1; sid: 0.8.7-3; squeeze: 0.8.7-3; experimental: 0.8.8~bzr20100810.1427-1 |
| 12:38.09 | stuckey | How do I backport something from experimental? |
| 12:38.47 | eightfold | stew: hmm, adblock could not be installed, not compatible with iceweasel. |
| 12:39.27 | thewanderer1 | eightfold: |
| 12:39.33 | thewanderer1 | ,info mozilla-firefox-adblock |
| 12:39.34 | judd | mozilla-firefox-adblock (web, optional): AdBlock extension for the Iceweasel and Iceape web browsers. Version: 0.5.3.043-5; Size: 74.1k; Installed: 444k |
| 12:39.46 | abrotman | c3l: which version of the installer? Lenny's installer does not |
| 12:40.25 | stew | c3l: at the time the stable installer was frozen, the ext4 kernel support was still experimental. The userspace tools in stable support ext4 just fine with a newer kernel |
| 12:42.03 | c3l | abrotman: debian-505-i386-netinst, is there a 'newer' installer available? |
| 12:42.13 | abrotman | c3l: for a server or workstation? |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | c3l: you can a) install on ext3, install BPO kernel, convert to ext4 b) use an unofficial lenny instlaler with a newer kernel c) use the squeeze installer |
| 12:45.11 | c3l | abrotman: workstation, ive previously been an ubuntu user, but id like to try out debian, planning on using it for my server too (stable ofcourse) but on my workstation Id like to something more up to date |
| 12:45.56 | abrotman | c3l: debian.org/devel/debian-installer ... get the daily installer for your arch (not the alpha1) ... not sure i'd use it on a server just yet, but it should be okay for a workstation |
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| 12:48.43 | c3l | would I get the same result using the lenny installer and afterwards adding the sid repo update the system and upgrade the ext3 to ext4? |
| 12:50.17 | abrotman | you probably don't want ot use sid |
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| 12:51.32 | alys | For the last couple of years I have been trying to play DVDs in Debian - without success! I have installed all the software recommended by dpkg dvd-playback and even region-set. Is it possible to play DVDs with Debian? Thanks |
| 12:52.14 | elenril | alys: how did you try and what failed? |
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| 12:52.36 | dvs | alys: you probably need the multimedia repo |
| 12:52.48 | alys | I just installed everything, set region-set to region 2 - UK - and then tried to play a DVD. |
| 12:53.01 | alys | I also installed w32 codecs... |
| 12:53.43 | elenril | tried _how_ |
| 12:53.57 | thewanderer1 | alys: do you have libdvdcss2? |
| 12:54.07 | alys | Yes - that was the first thing I used |
| 12:54.31 | c3l | abrotman: the stable release feels quite a bit old to run on my desktop. and according to the faq, sid is more preferable than testing, as testing could contain bugs for a longer period of time |
| 12:54.48 | abrotman | c3l: you should use squeeze |
| 12:55.15 | abrotman | c3l: currently they are almost identical, but in the future, sid will break more |
| 12:55.23 | alys | Actually, I dual-boot with Puppy Linux and that plays DVDs without problems.... |
| 12:55.53 | thewanderer1 | alys: just launch Totem or Dragon Player and it'll run |
| 12:56.16 | alys | Totem won't touch it - but I haven't tried Dragon Player - thanks. |
| 12:56.40 | alys | I have VLC and gxine installed as well as totem - and I tired mplayer, too. |
| 12:56.58 | thewanderer1 | VLC should work more often than not |
| 12:57.07 | thewanderer1 | are you sure you have libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia? |
| 12:57.56 | c3l | abrotman: but in lets say one year, squeeze will be almost a year old, as itll be the new stable soon(?). but if sid is generally a bad choice, what should I do in that case? |
| 12:58.12 | alys | I have libdvdcss2,libdvdread and libdvdnav |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | c3l: i'm still telling you to use squeeze for now .. worry about a year from now in a year from now |
| 12:58.46 | alys | To be honest, I have given up - but I wondered if there was something that could help. |
| 12:59.22 | c3l | abrotman: im listening to you, I will use squeeze now, but im just qurious :) |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | c3l: in a year, you may find you like the stability of using squeeze |
| 12:59.43 | thewanderer1 | alys: I don't know the symptoms :P |
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| 13:00.50 | alys | thewanderer: I switch on gxine (say) - 'play DVD', then the app tries to play but gives up. |
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| 13:01.14 | thewanderer1 | see logs, if any |
| 13:01.39 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how gxine is related to this - try installing some gstreamer plugins |
| 13:01.40 | c3l | abrotman: oh cool. but I heard the release cycle will from now on be 2 years. maybe im just damaged from using ubuntu where packages are up to date almost all the time, but isnt 2 years old software too old? |
| 13:01.43 | alys | Thanks - but I have put up with this for too long - it's a pity. |
| 13:01.48 | thewanderer1 | huh |
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| 13:02.01 | abrotman | c3l: that 'news' is outdated .. |
| 13:02.16 | abrotman | c3l: currently there is no 'schedule' like there is for ubuntu |
| 13:02.20 | alys | I meant that I have tried to play DVD on Debian for too long without results |
| 13:02.45 | thewanderer1 | c3l: Ubuntu is released every 6 months, Debian is released when it's ready (number_of_rc_bugs == 0) |
| 13:03.00 | dvs | 0? |
| 13:03.04 | alys | And I have gstreamer. I guess there may be something wrong with my system - Lenny 5, 32 bit. |
| 13:03.04 | elenril | alys: just compile your own mplayer |
| 13:03.14 | elenril | imo that's the fastest way |
| 13:03.23 | alys | elenril: A good idea - thank you. |
| 13:03.33 | thewanderer1 | I haven't used mplayer - VLC or dragon player work for me |
| 13:04.04 | alys | I like VLC - and it plays CDs, streaming audio and the like just fine. |
| 13:04.55 | alys | Thanks for the advice. I shall try dragon player and 'home-compiled' mplayer.... |
| 13:06.24 | thewanderer1 | dvs: yes, Debian is not released until all RC bugs are fixed |
| 13:06.43 | dvs | oh, RC bugs. |
| 13:06.45 | c3l | so this is not correct? http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 if so it should be removed/changed |
| 13:07.12 | dvs | but some RC bugs get demoted to get the release out the door |
| 13:07.16 | thewanderer1 | mailing lists probably know the truth |
| 13:07.25 | nsadmin | I've seen cases where they don't fix them all |
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| 13:09.20 | nsadmin | c3l: interesting... so that totally negates the "when it's ready" thing |
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| 13:09.55 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: it's been there for long, but it's a huge misunderstanding |
| 13:09.57 | nsadmin | "we release twice a decade, whether we need to or not!" |
| 13:10.04 | thewanderer1 | the freeze is scheduled, not the release |
| 13:10.15 | thewanderer1 | the best of Debian still applies |
| 13:10.42 | abrotman | the freeze has happened |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | c3l: not correct anymore |
| 13:10.57 | abrotman | nsadmin: that isn't valid anymore |
| 13:11.19 | abrotman | c3l: they decided like two weeks after that was announced that currently, it's a bad idea |
| 13:11.30 | c3l | nsadmin: not nessesarily (maybe im too newbish to speak, but) the new release schedule only tells when to freeze, not to release, it states that the final release will be releaser at spring-ish, leaving time to fix all rc releases, thus releasing when ready |
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| 13:11.41 | c3l | oh, I was too slow :) |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | wishes they would append that news item |
| 13:12.07 | nsadmin | c3l: it is (was?) a freeze schedule |
| 13:12.35 | thewanderer1 | well, there was a mess on the mailing lists after the announcement, you can imagine that "what, they issued that change behind our backs" and I'm still not clear as to whether there was an official resolution |
| 13:13.02 | nsadmin | according to the article, it was agreed to at the event |
| 13:14.05 | abrotman | okay, believe whatever you want |
| 13:14.31 | nsadmin | I didn't say anything about what I believe... only what the article said |
| 13:14.40 | thewanderer1 | the mailing lists still bear a sign of what the real situation was |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | i already told you that they decided against that |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | at least for now |
| 13:15.06 | thewanderer1 | if you look through the mails that appeared after the announcement, you'll see the after-discussion |
| 13:16.01 | c3l | thanks for clarifying =) |
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| 13:26.49 | Cain | Hi, i have 2 ips (A & B) assigned to a debian server (with those nics : eth0 & eth0:0) by default all outgoing traffic is seen under A : how to specify which IP to use for a specific use (like connecting a bnc to a server through IP B instead of IP A) |
| 13:28.20 | dvs | Cain: IP forwarding |
| 13:28.20 | thewanderer1 | Cain: socket functions can take parameters on binding the socket |
| 13:29.01 | thewanderer1 | Cain: usually it should be done in the program itself, or if it can not - the program should be rewritten |
| 13:30.01 | thewanderer1 | Cain: you can, however, use custom static routing to specify a default path, like `ip route add IPV4_ADDRESS_OF_TARGET/32 via DEFAULT_ROUTER dev OUTGOING_DEVICE src OUTGOING_IP` |
| 13:30.20 | Cain | thewanderer1 : i can bind the address i want to the program to listen to, but i want this program to use the ip i want to connect to external servers |
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| 13:30.41 | Cain | thewanderer1 : ok let me try |
| 13:31.07 | thewanderer1 | Cain: do you know how sockets work? a client socket is not very different from a server socket, so binding works here, too |
| 13:31.34 | Cain | thewanderer1 : no :/ |
| 13:31.35 | thewanderer1 | usually they just skip some function arguments so Linux assigns a socket address for them itself |
| 13:31.56 | thewanderer1 | basically a client socket is a normal socket, so when bind()ing it is possible to specify an address |
| 13:32.00 | fishcooker | can mplayer handle radio streaming; or sth else ... any pointer will be appreciated |
| 13:32.28 | thewanderer1 | but routing in your case is simpler |
| 13:32.29 | thewanderer1 | fishcooker: do you want to stream radio from mplayer? |
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| 13:33.07 | thewanderer1 | fishcooker: I have never run into such possibility - all I know is that clients which can do shoutcast streaming exist - mpd, for example, supports this |
| 13:34.42 | pif | hi, using 2.6.35.x I have a "ksoftirqd/3" using 57% of a CPU, any idea where to look? |
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| 13:35.19 | cahoot | lkml.org? |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | pif: where did you get that kernel ? |
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| 13:35.35 | pif | kernel.org |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | then ask them |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | or reproduce the issue with a Debian kernel |
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| 13:40.51 | Cain | thewanderer1 : the ip route stuff works : thanks ^^ |
| 13:41.53 | thewanderer1 | note that it's not persistent - it works in kernel memory, not on disk |
| 13:42.03 | thewanderer1 | you might want to append that to /etc/rc.local or so |
| 13:42.49 | stuckey | Can I apt-get source -t experimental -b gnash a package from experimental, or should I build-dep and then apt-get -b source foo ? |
| 13:42.53 | stuckey | What's the difference? |
| 13:44.28 | Cain | thewanderer1 : noted, i'll do it, so let say i have 2 Programs : X & Y, if i want X to connect to the server Z with the ip A & Y to connect to the server Z too but with ip B ip route is not helping ? |
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| 13:46.22 | thewanderer1 | Cain: system-level basic routing is only helpful with simple cases - for this complex setup, you need either policy routing (iptables MARK and your own routing tables) or just setting the program to bind to the proper interface/address |
| 13:47.04 | thewanderer1 | routing inherently operates on destination IP addresses only, policy routing is an extension of that |
| 13:47.34 | Cain | thewanderer1 : ok, i know i'll have to learn about iptables one day ^^, thx again |
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| 13:51.04 | nsadmin | Cain: google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" and start learning today |
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| 13:51.31 | Cain | nsadmin : Yes Sir ! |
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| 13:52.52 | nsadmin | it's either "I'm going to do this now", "I'm going to start doing this on Sept 1" or "I'm not sure I'm going to" |
| 13:53.18 | nsadmin | and the latter is going to cause "I'm never doing this" |
| 13:53.22 | Cain | nsadmin : it says linux 2.4 but lenny is 2.6, not much differences between 2.4 & 2.6 ? |
| 13:53.26 | nsadmin | and the truth is, that's ok... |
| 13:53.34 | Cain | :p |
| 13:54.02 | nsadmin | iptables has gained features, but the basic shape of it is still the same |
| 13:55.25 | fishcooker | the wanderer1: thanks for quick response, i want to listening radio streaming |
| 13:55.38 | Cain | nsadmin : oki so i'll go with : `I'm going to start doing this on Sept 1` ^^ |
| 13:56.04 | fishcooker | any client apps that works for me... or any apps plugin for firefox |
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| 13:56.11 | nsadmin | cool :) notice how it feels to lock that in |
| 13:56.12 | thewanderer1 | fishcooker: rhythmbox or Amarok |
| 13:56.36 | fishcooker | can i get plugin for firefox |
| 13:56.41 | fishcooker | for radio streaming |
| 13:56.50 | thewanderer1 | fishcooker: I don't know, I don't use Firefox daily |
| 13:57.09 | thewanderer1 | fishcooker: rhythmbox comes with your GNOME desktop anyway, and Amarok is in KDE desktop |
| 13:57.18 | fishcooker | ok i'll get the rhythmbox |
| 13:57.22 | thewanderer1 | besides, mpd can also play streams |
| 13:57.33 | fishcooker | LoL im on the server actually |
| 13:57.53 | thewanderer1 | well, mpd can play anything :P |
| 13:58.16 | fishcooker | i'll give it try |
| 13:58.27 | abrotman | mplayer can play streams also |
| 13:58.45 | stuckey | I don't think it's really designed to do that though. |
| 13:58.47 | cylinc | what does "ssh -qTfnN" mean? If I only use -N,there is no responce after input password when I try to connect to a ssh proxy. But -qTfn options seems have no other special. |
| 13:59.00 | stuckey | It often crashes when I try to do that. |
| 13:59.04 | thewanderer1 | man ssh |
| 13:59.46 | kefalo | stuckey, what crashes? |
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| 14:00.02 | nsadmin | cylinc, check the man page, the options are there... after that, if (for example) you don't understand something about the combination or (more basic) you don't understand an explanation you see in the page, ask about that. |
| 14:00.06 | stuckey | kefalo: Using mplayer with streaming video/audio |
| 14:00.34 | kefalo | stuckey, i use it all the time.. and have no problems are u using it from console? |
| 14:01.09 | stuckey | kefalo: Yeah from console. |
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| 14:01.41 | kefalo | stuckey, it could be that your link is not stable or fast enough for mplayer to keep up filling cache |
| 14:01.58 | stuckey | kefalo: 3.0 |
| 14:02.08 | kefalo | stuckey, ? |
| 14:03.01 | stuckey | kefalo: It's fast internet... not slow internet. |
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| 14:03.42 | thewanderer1 | then perhaps it's too fast xD |
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| 14:05.36 | fishcooker | kefalo: stuckey: abrotman: what happens when it behind sock proxy... can i make it happen?! |
| 14:05.37 | kefalo | stuckey, well there are some settings for streams. look at mplayer man pages |
| 14:06.21 | stuckey | kefalo: For example, I usually ssh foo.com cat bar.mkv | mplayer -cache 32768 - |
| 14:06.56 | kefalo | stuckey, i never used it extremely for streams... but on some machines i use it to play streamed radios... and it has happend that he runs out of buffer resulting in mplayer quiting. but there is option for that for sure |
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| 14:07.41 | stuckey | kefalo: Oh my system I sometimes get freeze ups where I have to reboot. |
| 14:08.25 | jpinx-eeepc | fishcooker: fwiw I use vlc to listen to streams and it is fine |
| 14:09.23 | kefalo | stuckey, that happend to me... like NEVER :D few times tho.. but when experimenting with (fcking) ati drivers... atm using squeeze and i can say just good about it. for me everything is working out of box. first time since i use linux. and it looks stable. no crashes or smth |
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| 14:09.50 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 14:09.56 | ShapeShifter499 | I've got some old m4v files from my windows partition and a tried a few podcasts that are in m4v any chance AT ALL to play these in debian? |
| 14:10.13 | kefalo | fishcooker, never used it behind proxy... |
| 14:10.15 | cylinc | I did,but -q is "quiet", -fn is "work in background and redirect stdin" ,-T just is "Disable pseudo-tty allocation". I cann't make sense on them. If I just using "$ssh -qTfnN -D 7070 -g xxx@xxx.com",then it shows "This account is currently not available". |
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| 14:10.28 | stuckey | , versions iceweasel |
| 14:10.30 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; sid: 3.5.11-2; experimental: 3.6.8-2 |
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| 14:10.47 | kefalo | ShapeShifter499, yes... with vlc player and mplayer also |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | stuckey: you can use packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 14:11.12 | kefalo | ShapeShifter499, aptitude update; aptitude install vlc |
| 14:11.15 | ShapeShifter499 | kefalo, couldn't play any so far in vlc |
| 14:11.25 | ShapeShifter499 | nor mplayer |
| 14:11.41 | kefalo | ShapeShifter499, what error msg u get? |
| 14:12.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: what url and what error? |
| 14:12.08 | ShapeShifter499 | vlc would act like its playing but got no audio or video |
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| 14:12.43 | moldovean | ShapeShifter499, w32codecs are installed ? |
| 14:12.44 | kefalo | ShapeShifter499, can you play other videos or streams with vlc? |
| 14:12.49 | stuckey | abrotman: What do you mean? |
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| 14:13.03 | ShapeShifter499 | moldovean, where do I get those? |
| 14:13.17 | moldovean | ShapeShifter499, on 32 bit ? |
| 14:13.24 | abrotman | stuckey: instead of using the bot here |
| 14:13.31 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: did you try other streams - maybe audio only in case your connecgtion is too slow |
| 14:13.34 | kefalo | ShapeShifter499, if u use vlc u dont need any codecs |
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| 14:13.39 | stuckey | abrotman: Do you have a problem with me using the bot here? |
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| 14:13.48 | abrotman | stuckey: you can msg the bot also |
| 14:14.04 | ShapeShifter499 | jpinx-eeepc, I've got 12 megs (about 1200 kb/s |
| 14:14.05 | ShapeShifter499 | ) |
| 14:14.22 | ShapeShifter499 | 12000 |
| 14:14.25 | ShapeShifter499 | idk |
| 14:14.29 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: did you try other streams ? |
| 14:14.32 | ShapeShifter499 | I know its just fast |
| 14:15.01 | ShapeShifter499 | jpinx-eeepc, no |
| 14:16.11 | ShapeShifter499 | kefalo, ya I can play other videos on my system through vlc |
| 14:16.20 | moldovean | ShapeShifter499, /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 14:16.36 | cahoot | are those still needed? |
| 14:16.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: this is currently playing in vlc for me --> http://216.155.137.150:10000/ |
| 14:17.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: and I don't have any codecs installed - just vlc |
| 14:17.36 | nsadmin | wow... you're listening to webmin?! |
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| 14:18.16 | ShapeShifter499 | no I can (seemingly) play everything BUT m4v videos |
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| 14:19.38 | ShapeShifter499 | jpinx-eeepc, that works for me also |
| 14:19.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: ok - so you have an issue with the codec perhaps |
| 14:20.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: what's the url you are trying to stream? |
| 14:20.33 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm according to gxine its a DRM-protected Quicktime file |
| 14:20.52 | ShapeShifter499 | :/ guessing its not playable |
| 14:20.58 | jpinx-eeepc | waits for a url to test..... |
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| 14:21.27 | ShapeShifter499 | http://www.pheedo.com/e/2d63911027c51558bd50697b13cbea5f/100820_wn_full.m4v |
| 14:22.14 | jpinx-eeepc | works for me |
| 14:22.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: ^^ |
| 14:22.42 | ShapeShifter499 | *eye twitches* |
| 14:22.56 | jpinx-eeepc | ABC World NEws? |
| 14:22.57 | ShapeShifter499 | WORK GOD DAMIT!! UGH!! |
| 14:23.09 | macrobat | american news :D |
| 14:23.17 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
| 14:23.26 | kefalo | works for me too |
| 14:23.28 | ShapeShifter499 | macrobat, mhm |
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| 14:23.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: died now - but that might be my connection |
| 14:26.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: it gets to about 01.20 and dies, maybe a bad stream |
| 14:26.30 | jpinx-eeepc | I've restared it several times - it always bies at the same point |
| 14:26.37 | jpinx-eeepc | *dies |
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| 14:26.54 | ShapeShifter499 | ok I've got it working |
| 14:27.15 | ShapeShifter499 | but only in browser via a totem plugin |
| 14:27.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: wait and see it you get to 2 mins without hiccups |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | ShapeShifter499: if it works in totem, why not just use totem ? |
| 14:27.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: what version vlc are you using? |
| 14:27.53 | ShapeShifter499 | I still can't play files from my windows partition |
| 14:28.05 | ShapeShifter499 | m4v files from my windows partition |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | with totem ? |
| 14:28.17 | ShapeShifter499 | ya |
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| 14:28.25 | abrotman | did you install all the totem plugin packs? |
| 14:28.47 | ShapeShifter499 | these were itunes downloaded files so .. |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | the gstreamer plugin packs |
| 14:29.27 | ShapeShifter499 | yes |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | the good/bad/ugly ? all three? |
| 14:31.14 | ShapeShifter499 | yep |
| 14:31.49 | ShapeShifter499 | jpinx-eeepc, stream is good, playing for me now past 3 minutes so far |
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| 14:32.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ShapeShifter499: fairysnuff - my connection is not wonderful and can't keep up :/ |
| 14:32.59 | ShapeShifter499 | aww |
| 14:34.18 | ShapeShifter499 | can I play drm m4v files? |
| 14:34.39 | ShapeShifter499 | it might just be the drm part that not letting me play the files from itunes |
| 14:35.49 | ShapeShifter499 | I've got everything BUT the files I originally downloaded from itunes |
| 14:35.55 | ShapeShifter499 | working |
| 14:37.42 | thewanderer1 | ShapeShifter499: DRM is not supported on any Linux system in any form |
| 14:38.29 | ShapeShifter499 | .... |
| 14:39.01 | mavhc | actually, there are official dvd players, so it is |
| 14:39.15 | thewanderer1 | alright, but those are closed-source |
| 14:39.30 | mavhc | drm is on linux, but not in linux |
| 14:39.32 | thewanderer1 | an ugly mix of open-source and closed-source software |
| 14:39.34 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 14:39.56 | thewanderer1 | and the kernel prohibits DRM implementation by nature |
| 14:39.59 | ShapeShifter499 | D: compy is reporting an high load |
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| 14:41.54 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer1, well there is all ways wine+quicktime :D |
| 14:42.09 | thewanderer1 | errr... if Quicktime supports DRM, cool |
| 14:42.16 | thewanderer1 | I thought DRM was a kernel thing. |
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| 14:42.39 | thewanderer1 | if it's in userspace, I can imagine umpteen ways to hack it |
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| 14:43.37 | mavhc | linux should add drm, with a key that everyone can see in the source code, for a laugh |
| 14:43.56 | ShapeShifter499 | I just thought its just a media file with a long encrypted code that apple only knows how to unlock via itunes(or any of their media players) |
| 14:44.01 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sure... DRM is a secret trade union y'know |
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| 14:44.46 | thewanderer1 | ShapeShifter499: er no, not really, because if a program knew how to unlock it, you'd know how to unlock it, too (being the program's owner in terms of UID/GID and being able to access its memory) |
| 14:44.57 | thewanderer1 | DRM depends on kernel facilities to restrict the user's actions |
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| 14:45.48 | thewanderer1 | and how it goes about encryption/decryption, I'm not quite sure |
| 14:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions konversation |
| 14:45.54 | judd | konversation -- etch: 1.0.1-1; lenny: 1.1-1; sid: 1.3.1-1; squeeze: 1.3.1-1 |
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| 14:50.51 | sparr | I ran "grub-install /dev/sdf" and forgot the --root-directory option, so grub overwrote / filled up my /boot/grub. How do I fix that before I reboot? |
| 14:52.09 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer1, why can't someone figure out how itunes, apple, and drm does what it does? prevent non-windows and non-itunes/quicktime players from playing video and music with drm |
| 14:52.10 | codingrobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.27 | thewanderer1 | ShapeShifter499: because nobody cares now - DRM is dead... |
| 14:52.46 | thewanderer1 | if you still have DRM media, ask your content supplier to exchange it for free formats |
| 14:52.58 | ShapeShifter499 | what itunes?? |
| 14:53.23 | ShapeShifter499 | I originally got this drm stuff from itunes |
| 14:53.32 | thewanderer1 | this had to be long ago, then |
| 14:53.42 | jacekowski | well, itunes is mostly drm free now |
| 14:53.48 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 14:54.20 | ShapeShifter499 | got these files about 6-12 months ago(can't quite remember) |
| 14:54.33 | jacekowski | these should be drm free |
| 14:55.24 | ShapeShifter499 | videos from itunes too? |
| 14:57.16 | ShapeShifter499 | jacekowski, videos from itunes too? |
| 14:57.23 | jacekowski | some of them |
| 14:57.44 | jacekowski | i can play some of my itunes videos on my magnificent n900 |
| 14:57.54 | jacekowski | apple sux |
| 14:58.03 | jacekowski | but i don't think i have to mention that on this channel |
| 14:58.37 | nsadmin | it's more like... it doesn't matter what apple does |
| 14:59.00 | nsadmin | in fact... you can /ignore apple all while you're here :) |
| 14:59.04 | ShapeShifter499 | hmm news to me.... I thought itunes/apple was the evil DRM enforcers |
| 15:00.11 | jacekowski | they only enforce it where it would bring them profit |
| 15:00.22 | jacekowski | like app store where they get cut from every app sold |
| 15:01.02 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 15:01.37 | thewanderer1 | ShapeShifter499: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#Circumventing_FairPlay |
| 15:03.37 | ShapeShifter499 | thewanderer1, ok I stand corrected |
| 15:06.33 | sparr | Can I have grub 1 and grub 2 installed side by side in debian? |
| 15:07.12 | nsadmin | why do you want to? |
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| 15:09.53 | thewanderer1 | sparr: it is possible to have them installed side by side, sure |
| 15:10.19 | project2501b | how similar is lenny from lenny live, package-wise? |
| 15:10.33 | nsadmin | what's lenny live? |
| 15:10.36 | thewanderer1 | sparr: of course their packages do conflict, but you can hack anything you like |
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| 15:10.56 | project2501b | nsadmin: i mean, debian live |
| 15:10.56 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: Debian Live uses exactly the same packages as a normal Debian installation |
| 15:11.05 | project2501b | hmm. funny |
| 15:11.13 | thewanderer1 | there are no differences package-wise |
| 15:11.22 | project2501b | even in the repos? |
| 15:11.25 | project2501b | i can't find libxml-quote-perl |
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| 15:11.55 | nsadmin | it's a live -cd-, right? |
| 15:11.55 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: that's because it's not Lenny... |
| 15:12.28 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: libxml-quote-perl is in squeeze and sid, but it's not a part of stable |
| 15:12.45 | nsadmin | you can easily build the package |
| 15:21.42 | tinytike | squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze |
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| 15:22.35 | project2501b | squeeeee |
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| 15:25.22 | sparr | nsadmin: I have grub2 on my system, tools and bootloader. I need grub1 tools to isntall the grub1 bootloader on a flash drive |
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| 15:29.05 | sparr | thewanderer1: is there any reason that I need grub 1 tools on my system when I'm not installing new kernels? |
| 15:29.11 | sparr | err, grub 2 |
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| 15:29.34 | thewanderer1 | that's unlikely |
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| 15:29.57 | thewanderer1 | sparr: hey wait... |
| 15:30.07 | thewanderer1 | what is on this pendrive? |
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| 15:30.13 | sparr | anything you want to be on it :) |
| 15:30.13 | nsadmin | what problem came up where grub1 didn't work? |
| 15:30.17 | thewanderer1 | sparr: a Linux system? |
| 15:30.17 | nsadmin | err grub2 |
| 15:30.27 | sparr | nsadmin: grub2 has a different config file format |
| 15:30.40 | thewanderer1 | sparr: if you want to boot from that pendrive, then you should not be installing grub on your host system |
| 15:30.54 | sparr | thewanderer1: many variations of windows installers, copied/dd'd/unetbootin'd from real discs, ISOs, torrented ripped filesystems, etc |
| 15:30.57 | thewanderer1 | install GRUB in a chroot on the pendrive |
| 15:31.00 | nsadmin | ok, why does that matter? because you have a config that's in the old fmt? |
| 15:31.02 | sparr | thewanderer1: I am installing grub on the pendrive |
| 15:31.07 | sparr | nsadmin: precisely |
| 15:31.33 | thewanderer1 | sparr: so I see no reason why you would have 2 GRUBs on 1 system |
| 15:31.39 | sparr | thewanderer1: to install grub1-bootloader on the pendrive, I need grub1-tools on a working system. I have grub2-tools and grub2-bootloader installed on my desktop now |
| 15:31.41 | thewanderer1 | sparr: install GRUB in a chroot on the pendrive |
| 15:31.52 | thewanderer1 | sparr: yes, you do, but a working system can also be a chroot |
| 15:32.07 | sparr | chroot would require me to build an entire second working linux root |
| 15:32.11 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 15:32.14 | nsadmin | if it were easy to get a config in the proper format, would you rather have grub2? |
| 15:32.21 | sparr | of all of the too-many-hours-required solutions, that one ranks in the middle |
| 15:32.24 | sparr | nsadmin: of course |
| 15:32.27 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: GRUB2 has problems with pendrives |
| 15:32.35 | thewanderer1 | namely, it boots or not on various hardware |
| 15:32.47 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:32.49 | sparr | grub2 boots fine on this pendrive on my netbook. I can get to the grub shell |
| 15:32.54 | sparr | I am 13 hours into what should have been a 1 hour process |
| 15:33.05 | nsadmin | heh |
| 15:33.10 | nsadmin | famous last words... |
| 15:33.29 | thewanderer1 | sparr: come on, build yourself a chroot |
| 15:33.36 | thewanderer1 | it's easy |
| 15:34.35 | sparr | nsadmin: seriously, though, I would expect MS to release cross-platform tools to accomodate this |
| 15:34.40 | sparr | they WANT people to switch to windows, no? |
| 15:35.00 | abrotman | they don't want people to install another OS .. duh |
| 15:36.16 | sparr | abrotman: I'm trying to install windows |
| 15:36.36 | abrotman | you install windows first, then linux |
| 15:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono... you install windows and nothing else (according to MS) |
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| 15:37.53 | nsadmin | isn't there some law (in the us) that says that once a machine ever had windows, it's not legal to remove it? |
| 15:38.04 | nsadmin | nevermind, that's probabluy ot |
| 15:38.08 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: there is not |
| 15:38.33 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: however, you can not get a refund as soon as you press the "I accept" button - this is common license law, not US law |
| 15:38.57 | thewanderer1 | and yes, it's offtopic :P |
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| 15:45.56 | thewanderer1 | wine: /mnt/sun/udhfiuhgfdg/.wine is not owned by you -- whaaaaaat? |
| 15:46.25 | thewanderer1 | it's not owned by me nor is supposed to - can't I just run Wine with a .wine not belonging to me? |
| 15:47.21 | nsadmin | who owns it? |
| 15:47.30 | nsadmin | and what's on /mnt/sun |
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| 15:47.55 | thewanderer1 | /mnt/sun is my network mount, my sister owns the directory, but I have 7 permission to the dir |
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| 15:48.18 | nsadmin | oh, I wonder if you can copy the .wine |
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| 15:48.38 | thewanderer1 | I already have my own wine... I would destroy my registry |
| 15:48.41 | thewanderer1 | well |
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| 15:48.59 | thewanderer1 | I'll try to hack it by symlinking just the files in drive_c and importing registry files |
| 15:49.10 | nsadmin | you could also make a sisterly acct |
| 15:49.19 | nsadmin | and copy it there |
| 15:49.59 | nsadmin | anyway, lots of things you could do |
| 15:50.28 | thewanderer1 | Wine is acting silly... |
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| 15:50.43 | nsadmin | wine causes silly acting... |
| 15:50.50 | nsadmin | or even silly being... |
| 15:50.52 | thewanderer1 | true that, too |
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| 15:51.13 | thewanderer1 | I don't see why working with someone else's files would do any harm to it... :P |
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| 15:51.48 | nsadmin | perhaps the wine devs encountered a hack |
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| 15:55.08 | thewanderer1 | hm, I have no idea how to import registry into wine's regedit - the file picker doesn't list my .reg files at all... or any other files! |
| 15:55.40 | thewanderer1 | (in /tmp) |
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| 15:59.55 | thewanderer1 | strangely, when I moved the files from /tmp to /home/users/thewanderer, they got listed by Wine file picker |
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| 16:00.49 | thewanderer1 | yay, my Wine hack works :P |
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| 16:02.55 | thewanderer1 | now where do I change the window-move key in GNOME to be meta instead of alt? |
| 16:02.57 | peterrooney | sparr: google "he who controls the bootloader" |
| 16:04.31 | sparr | peterrooney: err, ok? |
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| 16:06.48 | leafwiz | Hi, I'm doing a server upgrade and i lost the link. Is it possible to reconnect to pts/4 ? |
| 16:07.08 | leafwiz | I am not running screen |
| 16:07.29 | abrotman | leafwiz: if you can install retty |
| 16:07.48 | leafwiz | ah, and then I can use it to retty :) |
| 16:07.58 | thewanderer1 | grr, I can't click on anything when I set Meta as window move key and hold Alt |
| 16:07.58 | leafwiz | I don't need it preinstalled like screen? |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | leafwiz: well, you might have difficulty installing it if the system is in the middle of an upgrade |
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| 16:09.07 | leafwiz | abrotman: yeah, I will try to compile it from source |
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| 16:09.35 | abrotman | leafwiz: you could just unpack the debian package manually |
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| 16:11.08 | leafwiz | abrotman: yeah, but the source was tiny so :) |
| 16:11.19 | leafwiz | thx for the tip |
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| 16:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: Interesting article. I have, in the time since 2001, seen new computers that offered to "install" Microsoft's OS as an option on first boot. I've seen it especially on servers, which also offered to install other operating systems. |
| 16:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: While this is mostly used to offere different versions of Windows, it does show that there are options out there. |
| 16:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | peterrooney: There's also the whole mac-on-intel thing. |
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| 16:17.03 | nsadmin | mac-on-intel is what makes things easier for M$ (but also makes things easier for linux) |
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| 16:17.37 | drasko | Hi. Trying to stream via vlc, I am getting : main interface error: no interface module matched "globalhotkeys,none" |
| 16:17.41 | drasko | Any ideas ? |
| 16:17.52 | thewanderer1 | no :P |
| 16:18.06 | thewanderer1 | looks like a bug to me |
| 16:20.05 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: squeeze? |
| 16:20.34 | drasko | lenny |
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| 16:21.48 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm. VLC is the one app I know of for streaming too. |
| 16:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: gnome? |
| 16:22.19 | drasko | gnome |
| 16:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: I'm sure people have gotten it to work, and gnome on lenny's got to be a pretty common environment. |
| 16:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: I'd suggest looking for vlc mailing list archives. |
| 16:23.59 | thewanderer1 | paste the error to Google :P |
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| 16:43.18 | rgr | anyone know of a imap server which allows "real" nested maildir e.g .topevel/next/last ? I ask because I cant get offlineimap to seperate using "." for the different levels - it insists on subdirectories. |
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| 16:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | dovecote does. |
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| 16:46.27 | rgr | no it doesnt. dovecot insists on dot seperations. |
| 16:47.10 | drasko | In order to update from lenny to squeeze, would apt-get dist-upgrade be enough, or do I have to change /etc/apt/sources.list manually first, like described here : http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 16:47.34 | rgr | its a real pain trying to offlineimap with two or more gmail accounts. Gmail sems to be a law onto itself as to how its nam mapping works. |
| 16:48.25 | dvs | drasko: you have to upgrade the kernel first |
| 16:48.56 | drasko | dvs - so : change sources.list, do upgrade, and then do sit-upgrade ? |
| 16:49.02 | drasko | *dist-upgrade |
| 16:49.28 | dvs | !tell drasko about lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:51.03 | DennisG_ | llo, got a problem when i try to instal libpcre3-dev on debian 5.0.5 - libpcre3-dev: Depends: libpcre3 (= 7.6-2.1) but 7.8-3 is to be installed |
| 16:51.13 | DennisG_ | i've searched on google but no good results |
| 16:51.32 | thewanderer1 | DennisG_: this is the result of mixing releases :P |
| 16:51.54 | DennisG_ | thewanderer1, i have no idea, its a vps so i'm only able to select an image :( |
| 16:52.03 | thewanderer1 | ahem |
| 16:52.14 | DennisG_ | they wont let me upload my own .iso |
| 16:52.18 | thewanderer1 | 7.8-3 does not exist in Debian |
| 16:52.27 | DennisG_ | thats strange |
| 16:52.33 | thewanderer1 | where did you get your libpcre3? |
| 16:52.37 | thewanderer1 | getdeb? :P |
| 16:52.45 | DennisG_ | no, i guess it was already installed |
| 16:52.53 | DennisG_ | or else i just typed apt-get install libpcre3 |
| 16:53.02 | drasko | dvs, would not apt-get dist-upgrade update kernel automatically ? |
| 16:53.04 | thewanderer1 | DennisG_: then it's not Debian Stable, I think |
| 16:53.12 | DennisG_ | its lenny 5.0.5 |
| 16:53.15 | dvs | drasko: not in the right order |
| 16:53.17 | DennisG_ | or well, its supposed to be :) |
| 16:53.51 | thewanderer1 | DennisG_: apt-cache policy libpcre3 |
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| 16:54.54 | DennisG_ | thewanderer1, http://paste.debian.net/84998/ :-) |
| 16:55.19 | thewanderer1 | DennisG_: blame the admin and install the version from stable |
| 16:55.25 | thewanderer1 | apt-get install libpcre3/stable |
| 16:55.38 | DennisG_ | lol, so its just an broken image? |
| 16:55.46 | DennisG_ | or, maybe broken is a wrong word, but stilll.. |
| 16:56.18 | thewanderer1 | yes, it is not an official Debian Stable image |
| 16:56.26 | DennisG_ | thanks! |
| 16:56.28 | thewanderer1 | it contains software from elsewhere... |
| 16:56.40 | DennisG_ | didnt /stable was possible in apt-get |
| 16:56.43 | DennisG_ | didnt know* |
| 16:57.07 | nsadmin | you should probably consider using aptitude |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | DennisG_: which version of debian are you using? |
| 16:57.23 | abrotman | DennisG_: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 16:57.27 | nsadmin | that is, whenever you do anything that would write to your disk |
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| 16:58.08 | DennisG_ | whats the diffrence between apt-get and aptitude apart from the name? I've never looked at aptitude |
| 16:58.14 | DennisG_ | abrotman, thanks! |
| 16:58.44 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: this was supposed to be Stable but was untarred by his hosting provider as a container template |
| 16:58.49 | thewanderer1 | as in OpenVZ templates or so |
| 16:59.40 | DennisG_ | Xen template |
| 17:00.01 | abrotman | okay .. doesn't mean it was up to date |
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| 17:00.17 | DennisG_ | its just irritating i cant upload my own images.. |
| 17:00.28 | DennisG_ | abrotman: I already dit an full-upgrade before i start working :) |
| 17:00.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, but libpcre3 was *newer* than in Stable, so... |
| 17:00.46 | thewanderer1 | so it's some of the host owner's black magic :P |
| 17:00.50 | abrotman | so maybe they screwed up .. maybe he shuld ask them ? |
| 17:00.58 | DennisG_ | abrotman, i just mailed them. :) |
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| 17:14.53 | rindolf | Hi all. I'm running Debian Testing as a VirtualBox VM on top of Mandriva Linux Cooker on a P4-2.4GHz with 2.5 GB of RAM and GRUB 2 appears to be horribly slow. |
| 17:15.05 | rindolf | Is there any way I can cancel its graphical mode? |
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| 17:21.27 | thewanderer1 | rindolf: none that I know of - all bootloaders are slow in VirtualBox and there's not much you can do |
| 17:21.39 | thewanderer1 | it works faster in KVM anyway :P |
| 17:22.04 | thekix | Hi, I have a question about dummy packages. Why if the packages "mktemp" and "diff" are transitional packages to "coreutils" and "diff-utils", when I remove it with "dpkg --purge " in the next "apt-get dist-upgrade" will be installed ?? |
| 17:22.05 | rindolf | thewanderer1: actually, GRUB 0.x was OK. |
| 17:22.18 | rindolf | thewanderer1: can I run KVM on a P4? |
| 17:22.33 | thewanderer1 | er, if you have Intel VT, then yes |
| 17:22.40 | thewanderer1 | if not, then... it's not a very great fun :P |
| 17:23.09 | foetus | hello people |
| 17:24.21 | dvs | looks around |
| 17:24.46 | eightfold | i have shared a folder via smb via the "share folder" function in gnome. i can connect using my mac, but entering the username and pass of the only user gives "invalid username or password". ideas? |
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| 17:28.38 | krt | i'm impressed that you're sharing a linux folder via a windows networking protocol to a mac (which is running as a UNIX box) |
| 17:28.41 | krt | welcome to 2010 I guess |
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| 17:31.10 | jelly-home | eightfold: does no/empty user and password work? |
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| 17:37.49 | drasko | Hi all. I am having : Err http://backports.org squeeze-backports/main Packages 404 not found |
| 17:38.14 | dvs | !backports |
| 17:38.14 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 17:39.02 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: If you're worried about the details of the internal directory structure, you're going to have to put up with whatever the software expects. There are standards for maildir and mail hierarchies. I have directories with subdirectories that appear as normal folders in kmail and squirrelmail using dovecot as a backend. |
| 17:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | drasko: That's because squeeze is testing, there are no backports. |
| 17:39.33 | dvs | drasko: there are no squeeze backports |
| 17:39.39 | dvs | oops |
| 17:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: <grin> |
| 17:40.22 | drasko | what about this : W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:41.49 | dvs | drasko: download the key from debian-[multimedia.org |
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| 17:42.50 | jelly-home | drasko: visit their web page. Click on the FAQ link. |
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| 17:43.23 | sui | hi |
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| 17:43.54 | DGnome | Hi! resize2fs tells me my kernel does not support online resizing on a LVM-volume... Running recently updated testing-distro. Any ideas where I should start looking? |
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| 17:44.25 | drasko | jelly-home, dvs thanks, solved |
| 17:44.46 | eightfold | jelly-home: os x finder wont allow that. but logging in as "guest" doesn't work either. |
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| 17:46.48 | thepro4ever | where is the iostat command on debian located? |
| 17:46.51 | jelly-home | DGnome: can you pastebin the exact output? also, `uname -r`? |
| 17:46.57 | jelly-home | !tell thepro4ever about search |
| 17:47.00 | jelly-home | !tell thepro4ever about apt-file |
| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: that's does the next time. For now, you want the sysstat package |
| 17:48.33 | sui | today i did an update of php5 (php5 5.3.2-1 -> 5.3.2-2) on my debian squeeze box and now i have a problem with php. i get an "/usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_pdo_register_driver in Unknown on line 0" i set the correct path in both /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and in /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 17:48.39 | jelly-home | eightfold: sorry, I have no idea what Gnome smbd integration does (if it does anything wrong) and also no experience with OSX |
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| 17:49.01 | sui | what can i do to get rid of this warning? |
| 17:49.36 | jelly-home | sui: was php5-mysql updated as well? |
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| 17:50.06 | jelly-home | judd: file /usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so --release squeeze |
| 17:50.10 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 17:50.15 | jelly-home | judd: file usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so --release squeeze |
| 17:50.18 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:50.23 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 17:50.39 | sui | jelly-home: yes. php5-mysql 5.3.2-1 -> 5.3.2-2 and file tells me: /usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
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| 17:51.02 | jelly-home | sui: what does dpkg -S /usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so say? |
| 17:51.22 | sui | php5-mysql: /usr/lib/php5/20090626/pdo_mysql.so |
| 17:51.28 | jelly-home | sui: file a bug report. |
| 17:51.35 | sui | ok |
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| 17:55.02 | jhutchins_lt | So we're resizing live, mounted volumes now? |
| 17:55.09 | jelly-home | now? |
| 17:55.18 | jelly-home | we've been doing it for at least five years |
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| 17:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | Yet people still don't make backups before they try it. |
| 17:55.49 | dvs | backups? |
| 17:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Exactly. |
| 17:56.10 | sui | is it necessary to regenerate some dependencies when updating php? |
| 17:56.37 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: backups are a) done regardless of resizing, and b) this is rather old, stable and proven tech. For ext3 at least. |
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| 17:57.44 | peterrooney | jelly-home: news to me. what package? |
| 17:58.08 | jelly-home | peterrooney: sorry? |
| 17:59.13 | peterrooney | resizing live ext3 filesystems. what package would the relevant program be in? |
| 17:59.28 | babilen | ,file resize2fs |
| 17:59.30 | jelly-home | peterrooney: e2fsprogs. |
| 17:59.30 | judd | resize2fs in lenny/i386: e2fsprogs: sbin/resize2fs; e2fsprogs-dbg: usr/lib/debug/sbin/resize2fs |
| 17:59.36 | jelly-home | peterrooney: you already have it |
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| 18:00.05 | peterrooney | that is a wonderful discovery. i had no idea. |
| 18:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, back-what? |
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| 18:03.31 | jelly-home | peterrooney: it's somewhat hampered by kernel's way of managing partitions, if one uses partitions to put filesystems on. Linux can't reread the partition table if any of the partitions on the disk are in use. |
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| 18:04.34 | jhutchins_lt | Keep getting the most annoying freezes in firefox. |
| 18:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | er, iceweasel. |
| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | still using that cheap clone of firefox, eh <g> |
| 18:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Oh no, I got the fancy expensive one. |
| 18:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | has been complaining about that particular code tree under one name or another since 1992. |
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| 18:10.42 | thomasp_ | running lenny, trying to install libapache2-svn. doesn't work. gives me "module dav_svn does not exist!". tried running dpkg --configure -a. output here: http://pastebin.com/mgJ83dtX -- any help? |
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| 18:12.19 | foetus | what is the package 'smbfs' for ? only client utils ? |
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| 18:12.51 | kefalo | foetus, for mounting smb shares |
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| 18:13.06 | foetus | kefalo: ah, ok. |
| 18:13.19 | jelly-home | DGnome: I've jure created a 10GB pv, 10GB vg0, 5GB lv0, mkfs.ext3, mounted it, lvresize -L +1G, and resize2fs online without any issues on squeeze i386. |
| 18:13.43 | jelly-home | DGnome: "just". In other words, Works For Me, and Can't Reproduce. |
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| 18:17.55 | simonrvn | thomasp_: a2enmod ? |
| 18:21.01 | jelly-home | DGnome: http://paste.debian.net/85009/ |
| 18:23.50 | bluegene | with which program can i configure my default gtk style? i don't remember the package name |
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| 18:24.43 | foetus | another question -- for full php, ssl and mysql support in apache2 should i install what ? |
| 18:24.48 | jelly-home | bluegene: gtk-chtheme is one |
| 18:24.56 | bluegene | thank you, jelly-home |
| 18:25.19 | jelly-home | mysql support in apache? |
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| 18:26.55 | jelly-home | !tell foetus about LAMP |
| 18:27.49 | foetus | jelly-home: sorry, must explain - mysql is included, i've seen it.. whats with php ? must i install every single module ? |
| 18:27.58 | foetus | jelly-home: yes. :) |
| 18:28.16 | jelly-home | foetus: install what you need. |
| 18:28.58 | jelly-home | "I don't know what I need" "install stuff as you're finding out" |
| 18:29.36 | foetus | jelly-home: yeess. i need the full lamp environment. is there a metapackage or something, that saves some brainwork ? |
| 18:30.00 | jhutchins | Then there's the "install everything that even LOOKS remotely related" approach... |
| 18:30.18 | Raptors | Hey guys |
| 18:30.34 | jhutchins | foetus: Saving brainwork is not compatible with running a good LAMP server. |
| 18:30.37 | Raptors | is there a way to get a wine folder in the application menu like ubuntu? |
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| 18:30.56 | jelly-home | foetus: have you read what dpkg told you? |
| 18:32.13 | jhutchins | Raptors: I assume since you say "like ubuntu", you're running Gnome, in which case it's probably exactly the same menu. |
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| 18:33.02 | Raptors | jhutchins, you'd assume that but it doesn't install the wine menu |
| 18:33.08 | btavakkoli | Hi, i want to know is the default kernel of Debian Stable (Lenny) Compiled by enable quota ability or not? |
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| 18:33.24 | plaisthos | I am looking for a way to check how may threads a particilar application uses |
| 18:33.34 | foetus | jelly-home: yes. thanks, must be surely enough :) |
| 18:33.36 | jhutchins | Raptors: wine is wine, not gnome. |
| 18:34.02 | jhutchins | btavakkoli: Yes. |
| 18:34.36 | btavakkoli | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 18:35.06 | jelly-home | foetus: it's not, but it makes little sense to install everything from "apt-cache search php5-" |
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| 18:35.41 | jelly-home | jhutchins: he's asking about way to find apps installed in wine under the debian menu |
| 18:36.01 | jhutchins | I thought he was asking about a shortcut to a folder on the menu. |
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| 18:36.40 | jelly-home | jhutchins: wine has hooks to provide .desktop fdo menu entries when software is installed in it |
| 18:36.51 | foetus | jelly-home, ok. thats all i want to know. its enough for the next few days..thanks. |
| 18:36.56 | jhutchins | I know menus are one of those things that distros tend to tweak and mess with, trying to integrate both Gnome and KDE with the same functions. |
| 18:37.12 | Raptors | jhutchins, it does it in ubuntu |
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| 18:37.27 | Raptors | when you aptitude install it, it creates a wine folder |
| 18:37.36 | jelly-home | Raptors: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:37.42 | Raptors | gnome |
| 18:37.42 | jhutchins | Raptors: Better definition of "it" in this case being a good first step. |
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| 18:38.55 | Raptors | when you aptitude install wine in ubuntu it creates a wine folder under application which contains the shortcut to wine config and stuff and another folder with all the application shortcuts |
| 18:39.00 | jelly-home | Raptors: well. This used to work for me in xfce until _something_ broke debian-menu entries (those in ~/.menu/) |
| 18:39.12 | nunners | Can someone give me a hint on how to move data from an old harddrive to a new one? I've tried a cp, then changing fstab, but it hasn't worked? |
| 18:39.48 | sauvin | Why would you need to change fstab? |
| 18:39.51 | dvs | nunners: I've heard rsync works well |
| 18:39.54 | nunners | I want to move the whole /opt/ directory onto the new drive... |
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| 18:40.06 | Raptors | brb need to reset modem |
| 18:40.09 | nunners | sauvin: not sure, that's what the tutorials/web searches suggested |
| 18:40.11 | jelly-home | nunners: that ought to work if you use proper cp options (-a for a start) |
| 18:40.32 | nunners | jelly-home: why archive? |
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| 18:41.05 | jelly-home | nunners: because it's shorter that what it represents. |
| 18:41.10 | jelly-home | than* |
| 18:41.18 | nunners | Ah... ok... see what you mean now... |
| 18:41.31 | jelly-home | nunners: what _did_ you do, exactly? How did it fail to work? |
| 18:42.25 | nunners | I "cp -R /opt/ /new-disk/" then changed fstab to include "/dev/sdb1 /opt/ ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1" |
| 18:42.47 | jelly-home | nunners: and then? |
| 18:43.28 | jelly-home | nunners: do you care about the permissions and ownerships and timestamps of the data? Do your apps using it, care? |
| 18:43.29 | nunners | Then "umount /opt"... and it didn't recognise that... |
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| 18:43.41 | lolcat93- | Hello |
| 18:43.55 | lolcat93- | My box just started to refuse ssh connections. What may be the cause? |
| 18:43.56 | nunners | jelly-home: yes... it does.... so -a I think keeps those? Correct? |
| 18:44.04 | nunners | lolcat93: firewall? |
| 18:44.10 | jelly-home | nunners: omit the tail / from "/opt/" in fstab. Just /opt |
| 18:44.23 | n1c0 | Hi ! i ve installed a workstation with squeeze. sda1 is /boot, sda2 is lvm with root and swap. How can i remove the ugly bugged shortcut which trying to mount my lvm partition somewhere |
| 18:44.27 | beardy | lolcat93-: It went down? |
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| 18:44.38 | lolcat93- | Is there a maximum number of connections? |
| 18:44.41 | nunners | jelly-home: apologies... I have that was me copying it across.... |
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| 18:44.46 | jelly-home | nunners: yes, -a usually does the right thing (except when it doesn't) |
| 18:44.53 | DGnome | jelly-home: I want ahead and did an offline resize, Have to try and make a loopdev and see if a filesystem created with more recent e2fsprogs works better |
| 18:44.58 | nunners | jelly-home: that's helpful ;) |
| 18:45.02 | n1c0 | how to edit bookmark from gnome-panel which read a flase device |
| 18:45.20 | foetus | jelly-home: ok, i have it. nice help, thanks again :) |
| 18:45.46 | jelly-home | DGnome: right, if it was an old ext3fs it might not have had -O resize_inode |
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| 18:46.55 | DGnome | jelly-home: 'uname -r': 2.6.32-5-amd64 ...and everything looked fine, "online resize required" and all and blamo: kernel lacks support |
| 18:47.01 | jelly-home | DGnome: you could confirm with dumpe2fs -h ..., line 'Filesystem features:' |
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| 18:47.40 | jelly-home | DGnome: but in the resize_inode case you'd not have gotten that message. |
| 18:48.21 | DGnome | jelly-home: confirmed, I have resize_inode -support |
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| 18:48.37 | jelly-home | DGnome: if you can reproduce it, try filing a bug on kernel-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:49.03 | brah | Can anybody take a look at this? http://imgur.com/kGBCK.jpg |
| 18:49.16 | DGnome | jelly-home: will do! thanks for your attention! :) |
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| 18:50.21 | DGnome | jelly-home: if someone had invented a larger usb-port that could fit a beer bottle inside it, I'd sent one over to you :) |
| 18:50.23 | n1c0 | hello, i would like to remove a wrong device in gnome-panel "My Places" but there is no bookmark on nautilus. where can i found it and remove it ? |
| 18:51.51 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: no. Log in at the console and check whether sshd is still running. Then check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log for kernel oddities and /var/log/auth.log for sshd logs |
| 18:52.12 | n1c0 | nautilus bookmark show a shortcut to /dev/dm-0 but it is a luks lvm alredy mounted, how to remove this shortcut |
| 18:53.28 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: It is a remote VPS |
| 18:54.21 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: surely it must have an equivalent of console access for when things go wrong! |
| 18:55.10 | jelly-home | would you rely on a service that didn't? |
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| 18:55.43 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: I found i |
| 18:55.45 | lolcat93- | it* |
| 18:55.53 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: There is no sshd running |
| 18:55.57 | lolcat93- | How do I start it? |
| 18:55.58 | jelly-home | brah: does it boot better if you unplug that usb stick |
| 18:56.16 | brah | It's a laptop. It's most likely the card reader. |
| 18:56.20 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: before starting it, find out the reason why it died. |
| 18:56.35 | jelly-home | brah: there's a 2GB card in it, then |
| 18:56.35 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: Do you think it is important? |
| 18:56.47 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: do you care if it dies again? |
| 18:57.13 | DGnome | jelly-home: I cant reproduce the problem on a loopdev :D Everything works like it should. |
| 18:57.21 | brah | jelly-home, it's failing at sdc, not sdb. I see that it says something about a 2gb device on sdb, but dies on sdc. |
| 18:58.06 | jelly-home | brah: that's misleading. |
| 18:58.32 | brah | [sdb] blah hardware sectors (2064 MB) |
| 18:58.39 | brah | and then.. ALERT! /dev/sdc1 does not exist. |
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| 18:58.51 | brah | Is the error misleading? |
| 18:58.55 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: Not to much |
| 18:59.04 | jelly-home | brah: it dies on not being able to find the root filesystem. |
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| 18:59.21 | lolcat93- | I need to completly wipe apache2 and everything that comes along with it and configurations. How? |
| 18:59.24 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: well then you can leave it not running! |
| 18:59.29 | brah | It's on sda1. |
| 18:59.59 | jelly-home | brah: I don't see "/dev/sdc1 does not exist", did it get overwritten by some other message? |
| 19:00.15 | lolcat93- | jelly-home: I prefer it running, but its not vital. It is just a vps I play with |
| 19:00.16 | jelly-home | oh, it's there |
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| 19:00.41 | brah | I'm assuming it's a wrong fstab entry made by the debian installer. |
| 19:01.14 | jelly-home | lolcat93-: I strongly suggest investigating why it died instead of just blindly doing /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 19:01.42 | lolcat93- | Log files are so boring |
| 19:01.56 | jelly-home | support on irc is boring as well, have a nice day lolcat93- |
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| 19:02.20 | lolcat93- | All I need is to make apache running again |
| 19:02.23 | jelly-home | let's see if anyone else helps you with that attitude |
| 19:02.24 | lolcat93- | 2 |
| 19:02.56 | jelly-home | brah: or a wrong root= parameter for grub |
| 19:03.22 | brah | wrong UUID? |
| 19:03.46 | jelly-home | brah: I assume you're using grub. Can you reboot back to the grub menu, then edit the kernel param and put root=/dev/sda1 instead of root=whateversinthere |
| 19:04.15 | brah | cd /dev/disk |
| 19:04.17 | brah | ouch |
| 19:05.40 | brah | I thought it would be harder. |
| 19:05.59 | brah | It's easy, at least on grub 0.97. I'll try it later, the netbook is not mine. |
| 19:06.16 | jelly-home | you don't have to edit anything. |
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| 19:07.07 | jelly-home | editing the menu entry at boot time does not make any permanent changes |
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| 19:11.13 | lolcat93- | Does php and mysql take up much ram? |
| 19:11.19 | lolcat93- | I have a server with 256 MB ram |
| 19:11.28 | lolcat93- | Would it work as a simple webserver? |
| 19:11.30 | bburhans | depends on how you use it |
| 19:11.53 | bburhans | for a very simple server with basic pages and a lightweight www daemon, that's fine |
| 19:12.02 | bburhans | lolcat93-: ^ |
| 19:12.08 | lolcat93- | It will be some simple CMS and not to many visitors |
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| 19:12.19 | lolcat93- | apache2 is quite ligthweigth |
| 19:12.29 | bburhans | lolcat93-: then that should be fine. You might not be able to run apache in its entirety, though. |
| 19:12.29 | DennisG_ | lolcat93-, try to tweak mysql a bit |
| 19:12.47 | DennisG_ | lolcat93-, you also might want to try lighttpd |
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| 19:16.00 | lolcat93- | Ok, cool |
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| 19:16.28 | foetus | this dpkg bot is working nice. great idea. |
| 19:17.14 | kefalo | foetus, u had nice chat with him? :D i have sometimes too :P |
| 19:17.24 | kefalo | lol |
| 19:17.45 | foetus | kefalo: i love it. |
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| 19:17.56 | kefalo | hopefully they dont keep the logs on that thing :D |
| 19:18.24 | babilen | foetus: You might want to let dpkg know about your feelings |
| 19:18.59 | foetus | babilen: helps him? |
| 19:19.11 | foetus | :) |
| 19:19.13 | nunners | jelly-home: sorry to bother you again... but I'm moving stuff across to a new harddrive, and found I can't move across multiple directories... I want to move /opt (which i've successfully done) but also want to move /var... when I added /var in exactly the same way as /opt to fstab, it then appears in the same directory with /opt stuff? |
| 19:19.47 | jelly-home | nunners: you'll have to stop all the services using it, first. |
| 19:20.06 | jelly-home | nunners: lsof -n | grep ' /var' |
| 19:20.24 | nunners | jelly-home: ok... that makes sense now... why didn't I think of that... and just hope ssh isn't one of them! |
| 19:20.27 | foetus | is tarring all the stuff not the best? |
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| 19:21.10 | nunners | jelly-home... which it isn't := |
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| 19:23.15 | nextgens | hi |
| 19:23.30 | nextgens | I'm looking for a package name |
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| 19:24.00 | nextgens | long time ago I was doing some crypto and remember of a tool to ease cryptanalysis |
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| 19:24.27 | nextgens | handling substitution ciphers, ... |
| 19:24.42 | nextgens | does anyone know what tool I'm talking about? :) |
| 19:24.55 | nunners | Odd thing... I've moved what I thought was a large directory onto a new harddrive, to free up space on the original, but the usage hasn't changed... even after a reboot. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 19:26.41 | jelly-home | nunners: did you copy the whole /var, reboot, and now have a separate /var mounted? |
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| 19:27.17 | jelly-home | nunners: old data will still be hidden beneath the mount point |
| 19:27.18 | nunners | jelly-home: haven't moved /var yet... suddenly thought /opt should have cleared things... but it hasn't made a difference... |
| 19:27.46 | jelly-home | nunners: pastebin your "df" and "cat /proc/mounts" output |
| 19:28.32 | nunners | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/g1pDaUpH |
| 19:28.45 | nextgens | ah found it |
| 19:28.50 | nextgens | for some reason it's only in stable |
| 19:28.53 | nextgens | crank |
| 19:28.59 | nextgens | CRypto ANalysis toolKit |
| 19:29.19 | DotHack | is the sambe 3.2.5 in lenny able to have windows 7 clients joined? |
| 19:29.43 | jelly-home | nunners: now, umount /opt && mv /opt /opt-old && mkdir /opt && mount /opt |
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| 19:30.29 | jelly-home | nunners: is there anything in /opt-old ? |
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| 19:30.50 | nunners | jelly-home: just killing the service that uses /opt (Zimbra) |
| 19:31.18 | nextgens | http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/crank.html |
| 19:31.29 | nunners | jelly-home: odd stopped zimbra, then umount /opt and get umount /opt: device is busy twice.... |
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| 19:31.39 | nextgens | did it disapear because no one bothered updating the package up to the latest debian policy? |
| 19:31.46 | jelly-home | nunners: lsof is your friend. |
| 19:32.10 | nextgens | hmmm |
| 19:32.12 | nextgens | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521881 |
| 19:32.14 | nextgens | found why |
| 19:33.08 | nunners | jelly-home: done that and the only usage is bash and su, which is obviously me, but come out of the directory, and still "device busy"!!! |
| 19:33.23 | jelly-home | nunners: you have started su from /opt |
| 19:33.41 | nunners | jelly-home: Doh! |
| 19:33.43 | jelly-home | exit the root shell, cd away, su back |
| 19:34.02 | nunners | jelly-home: sorry ;) |
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| 19:34.52 | nunners | jelly-home: back to the original question... no there is nothing in /opt-old |
| 19:35.47 | jelly-home | had to verify |
| 19:35.48 | jhutchins_lt | nunners: For what its worth, opt is empty on both lenny and mandriva 2008. |
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| 19:36.16 | nunners | jhutchins_lt: I have zimbra installed, which uses /opt for everything (as far as I can tell)....! |
| 19:36.26 | nunners | jhutchins_lt: thanks anyway |
| 19:36.51 | jelly-home | nunners: weel you did clean up about 2G from / |
| 19:37.11 | jelly-home | that roughly corresponds to used space on /opt |
| 19:37.12 | nunners | jelly-home: how can you tell that? Sorry being thick |
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| 19:37.38 | jelly-home | nunners: difference between blocks used and blocks available |
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| 19:37.50 | nunners | jelly-home: sorry, really am being thick... on the df... I can see that now! |
| 19:38.01 | nunners | jelly-home: ok so move something else it is! |
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| 19:38.55 | jelly-home | nunners: du -x / > /tmp/du & ... wait until it's finished, or inspect " sort -n < /tmp/du |tail " output every nwo and then |
| 19:39.08 | jelly-home | nunners: check usage in /var/log |
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| 19:39.48 | nunners | jelly-home: sorry what will that du command do? |
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| 19:40.26 | jelly-home | it will do what du does, show block usage per directory |
| 19:40.29 | nunners | jelly-home: guessing it will give me a list of directories and their sizes? |
| 19:40.39 | jelly-home | !tell nunners about grounding |
| 19:40.39 | nunners | jelly-home: yep got it now! |
| 19:41.11 | jelly-home | nunners: you'll want to find a nice unix tutorial somewhere |
| 19:41.24 | nunners | jelly-home: sorry... I know... I'm learning... quickly! |
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| 19:43.52 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 19:45.27 | nunners | jelly-home: doing that now, apart from stopped it, as it's checking all the /mnt drives to other servers. Is there a way of stopping it checking certain directories? Just tried --exclude-from=/mnt but said it's a directory? Is that the correct command (guess not?) |
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| 19:45.58 | nunners | jelly-home: --exclude=/mnt |
| 19:46.00 | nunners | !!! |
| 19:46.00 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 19:48.17 | nooper | !!! |
| 19:48.17 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 19:48.19 | nooper | oh |
| 19:48.35 | abrotman | leave the bot alone |
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| 19:58.56 | eshat | HI, I just installed the new google-voice debian package. but visiting gmail, I get the following output from iceweasel: |
| 19:59.14 | eshat | "/opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
| 19:59.37 | eshat | and google thinks the plugin is not installed, but I am sure it is installed correctly |
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| 20:00.21 | simonrvn | um, your system is 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 20:00.35 | eshat | 64bit |
| 20:00.43 | eshat | and I also installed the 64bit version |
| 20:01.10 | simonrvn | i meant the userspace and kernel, not the cpu. |
| 20:01.29 | eshat | simonrvn: everything is 64bit ;) |
| 20:01.45 | eshat | $ uname -a |
| 20:01.45 | simonrvn | ok. don't use the 32 bit one then ;). |
| 20:01.46 | eshat | Linux xoi 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 12 13:01:50 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:02.13 | eshat | simonrvn: as I said, the file is called: google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb |
| 20:02.41 | simonrvn | you didn't actually, but cool. |
| 20:02.55 | simonrvn | odd then. packaging bug? |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | ask google ? |
| 20:03.34 | simonrvn | iow, yeh, ask them |
| 20:03.41 | eshat | abrotman: I am also afraid, they did a mistake |
| 20:03.51 | eshat | but the package depends on some ia32 libs |
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| 20:06.06 | eshat | I also see 2 plugins in about:plugins |
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| 20:06.47 | eshat | and I seem to get the same message with my flashplugin.so which is working even though |
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| 20:08.52 | brammat1r | http://twitter.com/myzt/status/21301896997 |
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| 20:13.46 | eshat | nobody using the new google-video-chat ? |
| 20:14.05 | eshat | damn, I really regret installing the 64bit version of debian |
| 20:14.34 | babilen | eshat: doesn't pidgin support that? |
| 20:15.05 | eshat | babilen: no,... still I would like the google version to work, since I am on KDE |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | what does kde have to do with it? |
| 20:16.06 | cahoot | eshat: well it 'works' |
| 20:16.20 | eshat | abrotman: I don't like to have half all gnome package installed, just because I need one program |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | and pidgin does support video/voice |
| 20:17.12 | ChaozZBubi | I knwo about voice... but video? |
| 20:17.36 | abrotman | it gives me the option to start an audio/video call |
| 20:18.15 | Justin | empathy does video chat over xmpp |
| 20:18.23 | ChaozZBubi | yeah I read that just now on wikipedia |
| 20:19.13 | babilen | ok, it should work with pidgin (supported since 2.6.0) and apparently empathy - but that does not really help with the plugin. |
| 20:19.35 | babilen | eshat: Have you installed the necessary 32bit libraries? |
| 20:19.49 | eshat | babilen: ia32-libs yes... |
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| 20:25.43 | eshat | ohh it seems to work |
| 20:26.07 | eshat | [027:796] Warning(clientchannel.cc:583): Unreadable or no port file. Could not initiate GoogleTalkPlugin connection |
| 20:26.31 | eshat | but then .... |
| 20:26.33 | eshat | [027:812] Started GoogleTalkPlugin, path=/opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin |
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| 20:46.59 | moayad | is the new stable debian will include pulseaudio ? |
| 20:48.17 | babilen | moayad: yes |
| 20:48.27 | babilen | ,versions pulseaudio |
| 20:48.28 | judd | pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1; etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1; lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.15-4.1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.21-3; squeeze: 0.9.21-3 |
| 20:48.43 | babilen | moayad: ^^^^ |
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| 20:49.12 | moayad | babilen , judd : thanks guys |
| 20:50.03 | babilen | moayad: judd is a bot - but you are welcome :) |
| 20:50.20 | moayad | ahahahahaha |
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| 21:00.23 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have two similar machines, both running on the same network and both with Debian stable. When I connect via ssh to machine #1, it gives console prompt immediately after successful password is given. The other one sets a 1 second delay before giving the prompt. Any ideas how to bypass that delay? |
| 21:00.35 | hid3 | I mean, I want to turn off that delay.. |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | hid3: it's your reverse dns |
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| 21:03.18 | Nunners | Hi all.. back again... can someone tell me if mounted drives from another server are also stored locally? I think the answers yes, but not certain.... |
| 21:03.37 | hid3 | abrotman: Both have the "-u0" in sshd as an option, both use the same DNS server, I connect to both from same machine. However, different result... |
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| 21:03.45 | abrotman | hid3: man sshd_config .. see the UseDNS flag |
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| 21:05.31 | thewanderer1 | Nunners: what do you mean? local caching like in Roaming Profiles in Windows? then the answer is no |
| 21:06.55 | hid3 | abrotman: OK, I've set UseDNS to 'no', restarted sshd, still the same result... |
| 21:07.05 | Nunners | thewanderer1: I had a series of backups from various places which were written to a drive on another server (windows horribly actually)... but it would seem that it was filling up the local disk... so it's one of two things, either the directory is not on the other server or it has copies in both places? |
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| 21:07.52 | drasko | Hi all, I tried aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade but it broke after few hours with terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 21:08.00 | thewanderer1 | Nunners: stuff that you save remotely does not get cached locally, at least in case of NFS... I am not really sure about Samba, but I have never seen it cache anything locally |
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| 21:08.40 | Nunners | thewanderer1: I'm actually starting to wonder if the mnt was setup correctly, and whether it was acting as a local drive incorrectly...! |
| 21:08.54 | thewanderer1 | Nunners: that would be a possible explanation :P |
| 21:09.13 | thewanderer1 | drasko: memory error |
| 21:09.22 | Nunners | thewanderer1: it would explain an awful lot... and indeed a week of trying to solve the problem of a full harddrive! |
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| 21:10.11 | thewanderer1 | drasko: free up some memory for this, would you |
| 21:11.54 | drasko | thewanderer1, this is not possible there is 60GB free on my HD |
| 21:14.11 | drasko | can I run apt-get dist-upgrade instead aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 21:15.23 | abrotman | you should use aptitude |
| 21:16.08 | ZeuZ | Hey, not so much debian but, I've placed my .htaccess and .htpasswd in the correct dir, files were created by root but still permissions are 644, so it should work. But instead, it's compleately ignored, do I need to restart apache for this? |
| 21:16.14 | drasko | abrotman, what is the essential difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | problem resolution is hugely better with aptitude |
| 21:17.12 | drasko | Also, aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade does not work for me. It breaks with throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'. Now I launched it again, but it takes hours, and it will probably break again... |
| 21:17.19 | hid3 | Any other ideas about the login delay problem? |
| 21:18.00 | ZeuZ | hid3, login delay on ssh by any means? |
| 21:18.02 | abrotman | hid3: try putting the IP/name of the client in the /etc/hosts |
| 21:19.22 | hid3 | ZeuZ: yeah. After a successful login, it prints MOTD but delays to give the console prompt for 1 sec. On other server everything is instant. Both same hardware, same network/subnet, same DNS settings |
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| 21:20.14 | ZeuZ | hid3, I had the same problem till I added UseDNS No in sshd_config |
| 21:20.48 | hid3 | ZeuZ: this option is set to 'no' on both servers. ANd yes, I have restarted the sshd.. |
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| 21:21.09 | abrotman | ssh -vv ? |
| 21:21.19 | ZeuZ | Hmmm, no real idea then... |
| 21:21.30 | hid3 | abrotman: adding to /etc/hosts (te ip & host I ssh from) didn't help either |
| 21:21.46 | ZeuZ | (bump)I've placed my .htaccess and .htpasswd in the correct dir, files were created by root but still permissions are 644, so it should work. But instead, it's compleately ignored, do I need to restart apache for this? |
| 21:21.58 | drasko | could this be a solution to a buggy aptitude : http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-09/msg01214.html ? |
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| 21:22.13 | abrotman | hid3: so use the verbose option to get more info |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | drasko: try it and see |
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| 21:23.17 | drasko | abrotman, I meant - does this sounds like a good idea and does someone sees something dangerous in trying this |
| 21:23.44 | abrotman | just try it |
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| 21:24.00 | ZeuZ | drasko, it changes the number of maximum process, and in any case, any value passed through the sys interface will dissapear upon reboot |
| 21:24.03 | innociv | http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=PTR I keep getting this when sending mail to people, but i've already set up a reverse dns, so I don't get it. :/ |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | innociv: that doesn't mean you're the authority for it |
| 21:24.41 | innociv | Not sure what to do next. |
| 21:24.45 | innociv | Hm? |
| 21:26.31 | abrotman | innociv: what is the IP of your mail server? |
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| 21:28.57 | abrotman | or not |
| 21:29.01 | innociv | Moment |
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| 21:30.07 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | well, perhaps .. the former doesn't resolve, the latter does |
| 21:30.54 | ZeuZ | I'm still dealing with the apache issue, anybody to lend me a hand? |
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| 21:36.19 | Saturas | hi, i have got problem with tftpd server |
| 21:36.20 | ZeuZ | Bushmills, it's not a config change, since it's on the directory to be protected itself |
| 21:36.24 | ZeuZ | And I've allready tried. |
| 21:36.27 | ZeuZ | I followed this; http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/htaccess.htm |
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| 21:36.54 | ZeuZ | it doesn't imply adding anything to httpd.conf |
| 21:37.59 | Bushmills | note that my suggestion was done before your started to detail your apache issue |
| 21:38.19 | ZeuZ | Bushmills, if so, I just received that with the timestamp marked as of now. |
| 21:38.30 | ZeuZ | I've detailed my problem like 10 minutes ago, but anyways, thanks for the time. |
| 21:39.10 | Bushmills | oh. of course one would have to know that scrolling back 10 minutes would be needed to read about your issue |
| 21:39.42 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: do you have AllowOverrides All set in your Apache config? |
| 21:39.50 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, yes. |
| 21:40.01 | innociv | abrotman, i guess i have my mailserver set on the wrong ip then. |
| 21:40.03 | thewanderer1 | then perhaps your site's config overrides it |
| 21:40.21 | ZeuZ | It's currently the only vhost, not even setup as such |
| 21:40.22 | thewanderer1 | grep -d recurse AllowOverrides /etc/apache2 |
| 21:40.30 | abrotman | innociv: no idea, not my server |
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| 21:41.34 | ZeuZ | It reports it as in httpd.conf |
| 21:41.49 | thewanderer1 | hmm, httpd.conf is usually empty on Debian |
| 21:41.54 | Tramp | hid3: is one machine useing bash_completion and the other not? |
| 21:42.51 | thewanderer1 | hid3: two most usual reasons for delayed logins are high system load and NSS/PAM overhead (like LDAP/Kerberos - network latency countrs) |
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| 21:43.19 | thewanderer1 | for me it was the load |
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| 21:46.25 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: see if the logs report anything on .htaccess or .htpasswd |
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| 21:47.24 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, I just wiped the httpd.conf file, and left only the AllowOverrides All line |
| 21:47.39 | ZeuZ | upon restarting the daemon, it prompts AllowOverrides not allowed here |
| 21:47.54 | thewanderer1 | then perhaps it's put in a wrong place |
| 21:48.01 | thewanderer1 | place it in your site's config instead |
| 21:48.11 | ZeuZ | I've also tried it in apache2.conf by now, same deal |
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| 21:48.18 | thewanderer1 | no, use site config |
| 21:48.24 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, there's no vhost |
| 21:48.36 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, it's pretty much the default configuration |
| 21:48.40 | thewanderer1 | so put it in a Directory stanza |
| 21:48.50 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: the default configuration includes a 000-default site |
| 21:48.59 | thewanderer1 | unless you're not on Debian.... |
| 21:49.31 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, I'am, and it's not in apache2.conf (just grepped for 000-default) |
| 21:49.47 | thewanderer1 | no... see /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
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| 21:51.37 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, ah, got it, Ok so I added it to the section for /var/www, AllowOverrides All |
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| 21:52.02 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, but now, when I'm trying to browse the directory affected by the htpasswd file, it'll just prompt this: |
| 21:52.09 | ZeuZ | argh, a500 internal error |
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| 21:53.00 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, according to the tutorial, this: http://pastebin.com/wqkPqih8 should be fine enough |
| 21:53.06 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: good, then you know you've hit a misconfiguration, at least |
| 21:53.29 | thewanderer1 | see the logs |
| 21:54.09 | ZeuZ | it's pretty much filled with all the images in the index inside of that folder |
| 21:54.28 | thewanderer1 | see error log, it has to yield some results regarding this 500 |
| 21:54.33 | ZeuZ | still, the htaccess file is correct, and is now allowed inside /var/www |
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| 21:55.20 | ZeuZ | 192.168.1.2 - - [22/Aug/2010:18:50:28 -0300] "GET /noticias/ HTTP/1.1" 500 464 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8" |
| 21:55.27 | ZeuZ | That's the closest thing I get |
| 21:55.30 | thewanderer1 | no, this is access log |
| 21:55.35 | thewanderer1 | apache2.err or so |
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| 21:56.17 | ZeuZ | It says AllowOverrides not allowed here, but it's been explicitly allowed? |
| 21:56.34 | thewanderer1 | perhaps AllowOverrides is not allowed in .htaccess files? |
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| 21:57.46 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.com/wqkPqih8 It was badly spelt, but uppon correction, it still doesn't work |
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| 21:58.58 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: AllowOverride is valid only in <Directory> sections specified without regular expressions, not in <Location>, <DirectoryMatch> or <Files> sections. |
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| 21:59.39 | ZeuZ | But the whole point of .htaccess isn't allowing it for /var/www (in this case) and then a file inside every directory with a "protected"file? |
| 21:59.42 | thewanderer1 | ZeuZ: you can not use this stanza in .htaccess |
| 21:59.58 | thewanderer1 | AllowOverride can only be specified in server config, not in .htaccess |
| 21:59.59 | ZeuZ | thewanderer1, wich stanza? |
| 22:00.08 | thewanderer1 | AllowOverride |
| 22:00.21 | ZeuZ | Ahh.. Got it |
| 22:00.23 | thewanderer1 | so get rid of this entry in your .htaccess, it's not needed there |
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| 22:03.45 | Selveste1 | is now away: I'm not here at the moment, but I will reply as soon as possible |
| 22:04.35 | abrotman | !TELL Selveste1 about away |
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| 22:10.23 | Selveste1 | is now away: I'm not here at the moment, but I will reply as soon as possible |
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| 22:12.08 | abrotman | !TELL Selveste1 about away |
| 22:12.17 | drasko | Hi all. I have : drw-rw-rw- 2 drasko drasko 4096 2010-08-22 23:59 backup. However, drasko@Marx:/$ cd /backup/ |
| 22:12.17 | drasko | bash: cd: /backup/: Permission denied |
| 22:12.34 | drasko | How can this be ? |
| 22:13.08 | babilen | drasko: make it executable |
| 22:13.12 | kefalo | drasko, u have to have x for directories for user if u want to access it |
| 22:13.24 | kefalo | chmod 755 backup |
| 22:14.09 | drasko | kefalo, babilen thanks |
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| 22:26.06 | humbolt | when I upload something via nginx, a tmp file should to be created somewhere, but I don't find it |
| 22:28.20 | xdunlapx | shouldn't the temp file dissappear when the file upload is complete? |
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| 22:29.16 | epsilon | how can I cut first x lines and last y lines of a text file? |
| 22:29.29 | epsilon | so head/tail, just reverse |
| 22:29.34 | humbolt | xdunlapx: it is not even there, when the upload is in progress. and we are talking about 700mb |
| 22:29.36 | peterrooney | epsilon: do you know the number of lines in the file? |
| 22:29.52 | epsilon | yes |
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| 22:30.07 | xdunlapx | humbolt, I'm not sure how to help you because I'm not familliar with temp files in general |
| 22:30.37 | peterrooney | epsilon: awk ' NR > 10 && NR < (linecount(somefile) -10) ' somefile |
| 22:31.09 | peterrooney | you may have to write linecount file function, or provide it as paramater, or fill it in yourself if it's just the one time |
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| 22:33.01 | xdunlapx | humbolt, are you uploading via FTP? such as FIlezilla? |
| 22:33.15 | humbolt | http |
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| 22:34.00 | xdunlapx | not unless the temp file is somwhere in your .browser directory |
| 22:34.37 | epsilon | peterrooney: wow thx, awk is always so much mistery for me... |
| 22:35.05 | rafuch0 | anyone knows a good ebook site i am trying to find this one Ajax and Flash Development with Openlaszlo |
| 22:36.46 | raiffa | is there a way to map/alias usernames? I have users who log in via windows AD (using likewise), and I want to map their usernames from 'DOMAIN\username' to 'DOMAIN_username' |
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| 22:38.57 | babilen | rafuch0: http://www.openlaszlo.org/documentation not enough? It is available on Safari and I'm sure that you can buy an ebook somewhere else as well. The book is poorly rated though. |
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| 22:47.50 | peterrooney | epsilon: awk is perl without the line noise. |
| 22:48.16 | cafuego | perl without the line noise is dead silence |
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| 23:02.34 | erwinpdev3 | Hi, does Debian Lenny has a nonexec stack on 32bit by default? |
| 23:03.46 | abrotman | does the i386 even have that flag ? |
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| 23:04.27 | erwinpdev3 | You can have a 64 bit cpu and run 32bit Debian |
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| 23:04.53 | abrotman | that's a different question |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | there is a 64bit kernel |
| 23:05.40 | erwinpdev3 | I know, but I am talking about a full 32bit install of Debian |
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| 23:06.02 | abrotman | i'm aware, there's still a 64bit kernel available in the 32 bit debian |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | do you know the kernel CONFIG option for that ? |
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| 23:06.44 | erwinpdev3 | I don't think you understand my question completely |
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| 23:07.37 | abrotman | it's a kernel config question ? |
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| 23:08.33 | codingrobot | erwinpdev3: if you mean the NX feature then check dmesg |
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| 23:09.15 | erwinpdev3 | No, let's say I install a 32bit Debian Lenny with the default kernel. Will there be a nonexec stack? Because I've done an install in VMare and I ahve a nonexec stack. Even after I swithced of the nx bit that was exposed to the VM. |
| 23:09.35 | codingrobot | ok, check dmesg | grep NX |
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| 23:11.10 | erwinpdev3 | codingrobot: No results, so it's not enabled, which makes sense since I switched the nx bit off in the VM config |
| 23:11.31 | erwinpdev3 | codingrobot: Debian is not doing software NX by default, right? |
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| 23:12.05 | codingrobot | no, in this case you should get something like Notice: NX (Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU or disabled in BIOS |
| 23:12.58 | erwinpdev3 | codingrobot: So the dmesg | grep NX should always give results? |
| 23:13.22 | codingrobot | no idea.. which kernel version are you running? |
| 23:13.51 | erwinpdev3 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:16.32 | codingrobot | sorry, the earliest kernel i have running is 2.6.33 |
| 23:17.13 | codingrobot | and i don't remember if NX can be enabled/disabled in the kernel config. |
| 23:17.22 | erwinpdev3 | Just switched the NX bit on again for the VM, but then it also doesn't show any NX related messages in dmesg |
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| 23:20.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im trying to build and install the official Broadcom STA driver for my wireless. The directions say after building it, I need a command called "rmmod". What package do I need to install that provides that? |
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| 23:20.54 | codingrobot | LinuxGuy2009: it's already there |
| 23:20.57 | cahoot | it's already there - for root |
| 23:21.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok maybe I just need to su before. Ill try that. |
| 23:21.14 | moldovean | !wl |
| 23:21.15 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
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| 23:21.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Worked perfect. Thanks. |
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| 23:22.06 | cahoot | LinuxGuy2009: modprobe -r is the modern way |
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| 23:23.29 | babilen_ | LinuxGuy2009: ... which will remove modules that depend on the one you are removing IIRC |
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| 23:34.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Woohoo I tried building and installing that driver a long time ago and I must have just needed more experience. It worked perfectltly. Thanks guys, |
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