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| 00:13.38 | brenosantos | alguem sabe onde encontrar man pages em pt-br |
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| 00:18.26 | kairu0 | hi all |
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| 00:37.38 | Sazpaimon | how do I get more scrollback from screen output in putty |
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| 00:38.22 | Sazpaimon | when using screen it only fills the window, if i scroll upwards it just has my pre screen -R output |
| 00:38.36 | nsadmin | you could pick something that runs in debian as opposed to in windows... |
| 00:40.05 | zerohero | nsadmin: putty is in squeeze at least? |
| 00:40.23 | gnarface | Sazpaimon: if i recall, putty has a static scrollback buffer of something stupidly small like 2000 lines or less. i recommend just changing the config to something like 50000 lines |
| 00:40.47 | gnarface | the scrollbar should work then |
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| 00:40.58 | gnarface | actually it should work now, just not hold very much text |
| 00:41.09 | Sazpaimon | gnarface, no, I mean, I can't see scrollback of the screen output beyond my window |
| 00:41.28 | Sazpaimon | I have my scrollback set to a really large amount anyway |
| 00:41.49 | Sazpaimon | However, screen output dissapears once it goes beyond the top of the window |
| 00:42.06 | nsadmin | they made putty run under linux? |
| 00:42.49 | gnarface | nsadmin: i think he's actually here asking a windows question |
| 00:43.00 | zerohero | nsadmin: yes |
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| 00:43.05 | Sazpaimon | Im sure putty for linux has the same issue |
| 00:43.35 | zerohero | nsadmin: at least i have it installed on my amd64 squeeze machine |
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| 00:44.42 | nsadmin | zerohero: can you verify your copy has the same issue he's reporting? |
| 00:44.57 | zerohero | nsadmin: no, i don't have the same issues |
| 00:45.06 | zerohero | scrollback is working fine here |
| 00:46.18 | Sazpaimon | zerohero, so if you have text scroll off the top of the window using screen and you scroll up using the mousewheel (or manually scrolling) you can see the text that's scrolled off? |
| 00:47.16 | zerohero | Sazpaimon: hmm, missed the screen part |
| 00:48.03 | nsadmin | screen runs on windows? |
| 00:48.15 | zerohero | probably on the remote machine? |
| 00:51.26 | gnarface | Sazpaimon: there is not putty for linux |
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| 00:51.58 | Sazpaimon | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/putty okay |
| 00:52.02 | Sazpaimon | if you say so |
| 00:52.21 | gnarface | Sazpaimon: use openssh |
| 00:52.42 | gnarface | Sazpaimon: also use urxvt |
| 00:53.28 | Sazpaimon | I'm still partial to putty, personally |
| 00:54.04 | Sazpaimon | anyway, I found a workaround, If I enter scrollback mode of screen with C-a [ I can see lines beyond my regular viewing area |
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| 00:59.18 | macrobat | isnt that to be expecterd by screen? |
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| 01:47.41 | matt7676 | Where is GRUB stage 2 stored? |
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| 02:30.22 | rolandpish | I'm in a squeeze box with xfce and I installed nautilus. How can I avoid nautilus respawn when I kill it? |
| 02:31.55 | gnarface | rolandpish: how do you like nautilus? i was always fascinated by the idea of linux having something like explorer but i still just use xterms for all file management. the graphical interfaces just always feel too inefficient to me. |
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| 02:33.31 | rolandpish | gnarface, thanks! well I use nautilus because of rabbitvcs |
| 02:34.04 | rolandpish | gnarface, and is very important the "split" window to transfer some between folders. |
| 02:34.15 | rolandpish | gnarface, *some files |
| 02:34.57 | matt7676 | Where is GRUB stage2 installed? I mean stage1 is installed into MBR code area, stage1.5 is installed to sectors 1-62(right after MBR), but where is GRUB stage2 installed? |
| 02:37.17 | gnarface | matt7676: i don't know but i'd have to venture a guess that it's somewhere in /boot usually |
| 02:38.22 | sweetpi | matt7676: its part of grub-legacy and in /usr/lib/grub/<arch>/stage2 |
| 02:38.45 | sweetpi | sorry /usr/lib/grub-legacy/<arch>/stage2 |
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| 02:40.13 | gnarface | sweetpi: does it depend on whether you're using grub or grub2? |
| 02:40.42 | sweetpi | gnarface: i think its not in grub2 |
| 02:42.19 | matt7676 | gnarface, sweetpi Ok. And stage2 files can be located anywhere on the drive, one just has to specify the location in GRUB configuration file? |
| 02:44.18 | sweetpi | matt7676: yes iirc, i dont usually mess with grub much |
| 02:45.22 | sweetpi | grub2 threw me for a loop >.> |
| 02:45.33 | sweetpi | one day i will figure it out :p |
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| 02:47.03 | matt7676 | sweetpi, thanks! |
| 02:47.22 | sweetpi | np |
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| 02:51.14 | User_007 | hello guys... i have a notebook and i want to control my fan. how can i do that? |
| 02:51.38 | User_007 | like put the fan in full power when i need... or want |
| 02:53.43 | gnarface | User_007: if you figure that one out let me know. |
| 02:54.15 | gnarface | has a serious problem with debianppc and the fan not turning on at the appropriate times |
| 02:54.53 | gnarface | User_007: there's a fancontrol package but the documentation practically talks you out of even trying it |
| 02:54.56 | User_007 | gnarface, look for Package fancontrol-modules-2.6.32-5-powerpc64-di |
| 02:55.06 | gnarface | User_007: didn't help me one big. |
| 02:55.08 | gnarface | one bit |
| 02:55.09 | gnarface | i mean |
| 02:55.29 | gnarface | however the fan does turn on full speed if i initialize an lm_sensors full scan |
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| 02:55.46 | gnarface | which is - not as weird as the fact that it never turns on under any other circumstances, even though fancontrol is installed |
| 02:56.04 | gnarface | but still seems weird to me |
| 02:56.15 | User_007 | humm |
| 02:58.57 | zebradog | sticks needles in his bgates voodoo doll |
| 02:59.33 | gnarface | on my athlon64x2 system (nvidia phenom1+2 board by asus) the fans all just seem to do what they should |
| 02:59.37 | gnarface | they speed up when it gets hotter |
| 02:59.43 | gnarface | they slow down when it gets cooler |
| 03:00.18 | gnarface | though it seems tuned for volume more than coolness... i'd rather the fans were always on full-speed, honestly |
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| 03:08.30 | sweetpi | gnarface: i think you can disable "cool and quiet" in your bios? |
| 03:10.48 | gnarface | sweetpi: yea that's in there but there was a reason I didn't do it. i forget. the fans locked at some speed OTHER than 100% or acpi wouldn't work at all or something like that |
| 03:11.01 | gnarface | maybe both |
| 03:11.47 | gnarface | i'd like to avoid acpi and just stick with apm but the nvidia binary drivers recommend acpi to keep your card from nuking these days |
| 03:12.20 | gnarface | which is sad because my card is too new for nvclock to be able to manually set it's fan speed |
| 03:12.35 | gnarface | yea that's what it was i think |
| 03:12.51 | gnarface | nvidia card fan speed would lock at like 50% |
| 03:13.24 | gnarface | NOT good |
| 03:13.41 | sweetpi | ah yeah |
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| 03:15.49 | sweetpi | i know this is lame, but you could get a molex to 3-pin fan connector and bypass the mobo |
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| 03:18.26 | jpinx-eeepc | use a hairdryer on "cool" ;) |
| 03:18.58 | Arafangion | 50% could be fine if you make sure there's no dust. |
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| 03:19.45 | sweetpi | ive used one of those big floor box fans before... not as good as one might think :p |
| 03:19.48 | gnarface | Arafangion: when playing WoW (through wine) or any of the various new ID games that have been ported to linux my temperature sensors say otherwise |
| 03:20.08 | Arafangion | gnarface: You've been proven otherwise, I see. :( |
| 03:20.13 | gnarface | Arafangion: perhaps you live somewhere further north than i do ;) |
| 03:20.22 | Arafangion | gnarface: South, actually. |
| 03:20.33 | Arafangion | gnarface: Temparature varies from -4 to 40+ |
| 03:20.39 | Arafangion | (celcius) |
| 03:20.50 | Arafangion | (Australia) |
| 03:21.10 | jpinx-eeepc | gidday ;) |
| 03:21.25 | Arafangion | The killer down here, though, apart from the temperature variation, is the dust. |
| 03:21.31 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: g'day. :) |
| 03:21.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: I lived in Perru for a while and the fine salt-laden desert dust there wrecked kit |
| 03:22.11 | jpinx-eeepc | *Peru |
| 03:22.16 | Arafangion | That'd be even worse. |
| 03:22.24 | jpinx-eeepc | the chassis of the desktop lasted about a year tops |
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| 03:22.50 | Arafangion | Anyway, I'd best get going. |
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| 03:24.48 | FabParma | how to delay the startup apps like beagle daemon, google desktop etc? |
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| 03:25.08 | gnarface | all i know is on a cool day with acpi enabled the fan speed goes up to 70 on the nvidia card, which keeps the temperature meter out of the red and almost out of the yellow, under load |
| 03:25.18 | gnarface | but i'd still rather be able to crank all my fans to 100% and forget about them |
| 03:25.47 | Arafangion | gnarface: 70 is livable. |
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| 03:26.16 | User_007 | guys, it must be a simple way to just tell te fan to turn on, or off. Like a switch |
| 03:27.07 | gnarface | User_007: i remember seeing documentation about setting some files in /sys but i could never find them |
| 03:27.10 | User_007 | or tell the fan to go full speed or slow |
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| 03:27.55 | jpinx-eeepc | gnarface: something in acpi maybe? |
| 03:28.52 | acx0 | I'm looking for a little advice regarding a backup scheme, if anyone with experience is willing to help, I've outlined my problem here: http://pastebin.com/5yRYLNGr |
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| 03:30.51 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: clever use of rsync is what I would do in your situation |
| 03:31.25 | hongbin | hello |
| 03:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: I have a bash script that does various rsync backups for me automagically with various exceptions etc that I need |
| 03:32.13 | acx0 | jpinx-eeepc, just wondering, if I have two binary files and the only differences are some hex characters somewhere inside the file, will rsync only copy those bytes, or will it copy the whole file? |
| 03:32.41 | acx0 | jpinx-eeepc, do you think you could post them on pastebin? |
| 03:32.48 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: not sure with binaries - check in man rsync, but I would be surprised if it copied the whole file |
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| 03:34.00 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: I rsync live images and a fs in a file, and it only transfers differences |
| 03:34.59 | gnarface | acx0: i'm almost positive you can tell rsync to work by either the file's timestamp or by actual file differences. it also has a ton of other useful options, like whether or not to delete files in the target that are no longer on the source, whether to also transfer permissions, timestamps, etc. read the rsync manpage. it's a very good backup solution |
| 03:35.21 | jpinx-eeepc | it's the best :) |
| 03:36.25 | User_007 | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed |
| 03:36.34 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: man rsyne has some useful examples - it's one of the more readable man-pages :) |
| 03:36.34 | acx0 | I usually use "rsync -avzt --delete --progress --stats --partial-dir=$PDIR" - anything else I should add? |
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| 03:38.22 | acx0 | does anyone know if I were to use rsync to backup a windows partition and then restore it on another hard drive (assume same hardware) if it would work? (i'd copy the mbr as well) |
| 03:39.09 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: I do " rsync -v blah blah > rsyn.errors " to keep a note of what actually happened. it gets overwritten every time I run rsync obviously |
| 03:39.37 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: rsync will copy NTFS - but not sure about the mbr |
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| 03:39.50 | jpinx-eeepc | better to use dd for that maybe |
| 03:40.12 | acx0 | jpinx-eeepc, well for mbr I'd just use dd, but i'm just wondering if the restore operation would leave it in a bootable state |
| 03:40.50 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: not sure - try it on a spare drive and see |
| 03:41.10 | acx0 | jpinx-eeepc, and thanks for the error log idea, I guess I could make it incremental with >> |
| 03:41.22 | acx0 | jpinx-eeepc, I guess that's the only option I have, thanks for the help |
| 03:41.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I had mine increemental, but with using -v it got unweildy |
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| 03:42.25 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: I found i only ever looked at the errors if there was a problem and that was always before any subsequent running of rsync anyway |
| 03:43.08 | acx0 | true, it'd probably just be a waste to have it incremental |
| 03:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | acx0: I also use --remove-source-files |
| 03:43.43 | jpinx-eeepc | but be careful with that - rsync can turn into a blunt instrument :) |
| 03:44.20 | acx0 | so that deletes files from the sender's side once they've been transferred to the source? |
| 03:45.03 | acx0 | i'd imagine that option along with --delete would be a nightmare if one just wanted to mirror some data |
| 03:45.19 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - it's dangerous, but useful in some of my situations |
| 03:45.54 | acx0 | well I guess I'm off to experiment, again, thanks for the advice |
| 03:47.11 | jpinx-eeepc | no problem . good luck :) |
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| 03:48.24 | shockka | YO LINUX. IM REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU BUT WINDOWS IS THE BEST OF AL |
| 03:48.32 | shockka | L TIME |
| 03:48.45 | pflanze | Hello. The files at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/jigdo-cd/ are old, and jigdo doesn't find the package files it is referring to. |
| 03:48.59 | pflanze | Why is it outdated? Any location with newer files? |
| 03:49.21 | shockka | Its because it never takes a shower |
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| 03:50.10 | pflanze | shockka: go somewhere else if you don't like what people here are doing. |
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| 03:50.45 | shockka | Pflanze: explode. I dare you |
| 03:51.17 | Rusty1 | !troll |
| 03:51.18 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
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| 03:52.08 | shockka | I didnt think i was being offensive. |
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| 03:52.36 | Imnottrollin | . |
| 03:52.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops Imnottrollin is a weekend troll |
| 03:52.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx-eeepc complains about: Imnottrollin is a weekend troll |
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| 03:53.33 | Imnottrollin | Whats A Weekend Troll |
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| 03:58.16 | User_007 | i discovered that i can control fan by /proc/acpi/fan . but in my case it is empty |
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| 04:03.30 | pflanze | User_007: you may be missing the required driver for your fan (a kernel module), or there may be none. |
| 04:04.03 | pflanze | (Or there might be a non-ACPI driver for your fan, I don't know whether that exists.) |
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| 04:05.37 | nsadmin | also when you say "it's empty", what is "it" |
| 04:06.41 | User_007 | well, the fan can control itself (it can reach 85C) i just want to put it in full power when i need to compile something ... |
| 04:07.15 | User_007 | i mean : the directory "/proc/acpi/fan" is empty |
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| 04:10.08 | pflanze | User_007: yes, the fan is either controlled automatically without intervention of the kernel, or by a non-ACPI driver. |
| 04:10.33 | pflanze | User_007: the dir being empty means (I think), that there is no ACPI driver active for any fan. |
| 04:10.39 | User_007 | i use LM_sensors |
| 04:11.06 | pflanze | which is a user space package, right? |
| 04:11.09 | User_007 | it is strange.... acpi controls the brightness of my LCD |
| 04:11.33 | User_007 | pflanze, i don't understand about it too much |
| 04:12.40 | pflanze | I think the question to answer for yourself is whether you really *have* to change the current automatic control. |
| 04:13.36 | pflanze | If so, then find out which hardware you have and whether a driver for that hardware exists (can't really help you there, never gone this route). |
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| 04:14.45 | pflanze | User_007: btw I dimly remember that at one point, some kernel code has been *removed*, because people were misusing some of the functionality (leading to broken hw and such). |
| 04:15.44 | pflanze | I don't remember exactly what it was. Anyway, I remember having had fan control on my ThinkPad T61 ~2 years ago, but not anymore (or it moved or something, but I don't really care since I'm happy with the default). |
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| 04:17.49 | pflanze | I think it was kernel code to override automatic settings, even in a hacky way. And it was removed because it was deemed that the behaviour provided by the manufacturer was more correct, or something. |
| 04:18.43 | andrewsw | I'm stuck on an annoying network problem. My software firewall (iptables as configured by shorewall) is causing *some* web connections to hang indefinitely. |
| 04:18.56 | andrewsw | anyone feel like helping diagnose this? I'm not really sure where to start. |
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| 04:19.57 | pflanze | User_007: "<pflanze> I think it was kernel code to override automatic settings, even in a hacky way. And it was removed because it was deemed that the behaviour provided by the manufacturer was more correct, or something." |
| 04:20.00 | andrewsw | other web connections work just fine. A direct connection, without the firewall works just fine. |
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| 04:20.28 | User_007 | humm |
| 04:21.47 | User_007 | can you tell me how lmsensors tell the processor to turn on or off the fan? |
| 04:21.54 | pflanze | andrewsw: maybe run iptables-save and analyze the output manually? But iptables can be a major pain to debug. In the end you'll maybe do everything from the start manually, and use the debugging aids there are for iptables. |
| 04:22.12 | andrewsw | pflanze: yeah, that makes sense. |
| 04:22.28 | andrewsw | I'm thinking of building it manually with just a single dnat rule and seeing what happens. |
| 04:23.14 | andrewsw | its frustrating, because the sites that aren't working behind the firewall are exactly those sites I most need to access at the moment. urgh |
| 04:23.15 | pflanze | Not being able to resolve firewalling issues was why I ditched openwrt and went with Debian for my router instead, btw. |
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| 04:27.37 | gnarface | andrewsw: openbsd's pf (packetfilter) makes a really nice firewall too. i think you can now even install it on debian. |
| 04:28.21 | andrewsw | gnarface: nice suggestions, though this configuration was working a few days ago, and I'd like to get it working again without completely rebuilding the rig. |
| 04:28.43 | andrewsw | this begs the obvious question, what changed? Lots, since I moved... new modem, some updates, etc... |
| 04:28.46 | gnarface | i tried and failed several times to grok iptables enough to make it do what i needed and eventually gave up read the pf.conf man page and it's been golden ever since |
| 04:29.10 | SerajewelKS | i've never had too much trouble with iptables |
| 04:29.19 | andrewsw | hrmm... maybe worth a shot if this doesn't fall into place soon. Interestingly, it *seems* to be tied to javascript. |
| 04:29.38 | gnarface | andrewsw: is it possible (i didn't read your whole plight) that during your move at some point you lost or had changed some of your extra ip addresses? is this a multi-public-ip setup? |
| 04:29.51 | SerajewelKS | i have it running on a box that serves multiple bridged VPNs, and use it to control inter-client traffic and it works just as i would expect... |
| 04:30.02 | andrewsw | and only with the graphical browsers. That is, w3m, lynx and friends work fine |
| 04:30.22 | andrewsw | gnarface: nope, single public ip behind a dsl modem/router. |
| 04:31.04 | andrewsw | THe problem is local to my firewall machine (a xen vm). machines connected directly to the router work fine. |
| 04:31.19 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: since you brought up JS, could the problem be as simple as some incorrectly-configure piece of data that the JS uses? could it be trying to use the old IP or an out-of-date hostname? |
| 04:32.01 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: or am i misreading your problem... |
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| 04:32.11 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: that's a real possibility, except that it works behind the same public ip, but connected directly to the router instead of with the firewall in between. |
| 04:32.26 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: ah this is for *outgoing* connections, i missed that |
| 04:32.34 | andrewsw | yep, sorry. |
| 04:32.44 | andrewsw | all incoming seem to work fine. |
| 04:32.51 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: well, can you pastebin the output of "iptables -L -n -v", "ifconfig", and "route" on the firewall box? |
| 04:33.03 | andrewsw | sure, one sec |
| 04:33.12 | gnarface | andrewsw: who is your isp? this could be totally unrelated to you. in fact it most likely is. the routes on your outgoing connections could be flip-flopping or just plain bunk right now. |
| 04:33.18 | SerajewelKS | we can keep taking stabs in the dark or look at some real info :) |
| 04:33.50 | gnarface | andrewsw: try a traceroute -n -T [ip address of a connection that hangs] |
| 04:33.58 | SerajewelKS | gnarface: if it works without the firewall in between, then it's probably not the isp's fault. |
| 04:34.08 | andrewsw | right, works without the firewall. |
| 04:34.10 | gnarface | SerajewelKS: oh, i missed that part |
| 04:35.25 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: i've done a lot with iptables so hopefully it should be a simple problem. but who knows :) |
| 04:35.59 | andrewsw | just trying to get all this into a pastebin. |
| 04:36.03 | SerajewelKS | nods |
| 04:36.19 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing that the general setup is modem <--> firewall <--> switch <--> other computers |
| 04:37.10 | SerajewelKS | my setup is modem <--> ddwrt switch/WAP <--> other computers |
| 04:37.38 | SerajewelKS | but the switch/WAP/router actually doesn't do stuff like DNS or DHCP, i have a separate LAN server for that, for a lot of reasons |
| 04:37.40 | User_007 | i had some experience while upgrading my BIOS and the fan gone full speed. this was the first time that it happens. is there a way to run my fan at that speed? i have the "fan" kernel module |
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| 04:38.16 | SerajewelKS | User_007: why would you want to run your fan at that speed? is the CPU overheating? |
| 04:38.27 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: yes, the general setup is correct. |
| 04:38.32 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: k |
| 04:38.39 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: with a dmz as well |
| 04:38.44 | SerajewelKS | ah, dmz |
| 04:38.46 | andrewsw | http://debian.pastebin.com/KZAnu2VF |
| 04:38.54 | User_007 | no, but it turns very hot while compiling with the two computers |
| 04:39.04 | SerajewelKS | to this day i still haven't found any use for a dmz :) |
| 04:39.24 | User_007 | in some way, yes it is overheating |
| 04:39.30 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: holy fucking hell, did you write these rules yourself or use a script? |
| 04:39.58 | andrewsw | shorewall... |
| 04:40.00 | andrewsw | heh. |
| 04:40.12 | andrewsw | hence my idea to just do one little dnat rule and see what happens |
| 04:40.31 | andrewsw | meh, just a little something I dashed off in my spare time... ;) |
| 04:40.36 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 04:40.47 | SerajewelKS | yeah, i've found most iptables wrappers to be a bit overkill |
| 04:40.47 | User_007 | SerajewelKS, yes it is overheating... do you have a clue? |
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| 04:41.18 | SerajewelKS | User_007: well, i just googled "linux control fan speed" and got a lot of results |
| 04:41.29 | SerajewelKS | User_007: you should do the same |
| 04:41.49 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: one masquerade rule and a few dnat rules should work |
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| 04:41.55 | kingsley | How do you page through a diff file? Although most of the output of "less file.diff" looks OK, it's sporadically peppered with binary looking nonsense like "rs^B6G^@^@^Aî<80>B". |
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| 04:42.22 | andrewsw | is reading up on iptables |
| 04:42.35 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: if you would like, i can pastebin some rules i use |
| 04:42.41 | andrewsw | sure |
| 04:43.44 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: http://pastebin.ca/1907839 |
| 04:43.53 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: this is not on a router though, it's just a server |
| 04:43.56 | User_007 | SerajewelKS, i have done it.. all of them points to change some configuration on /proc/acpi/fan/ but it is empty |
| 04:44.10 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: ignore the fail2ban stuff, that's provided by the fail2ban daemon and is automatically configured |
| 04:44.18 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: right |
| 04:44.31 | gnarface | User_007: this is the problem i had with that old ppc laptop. I think that means the driver for your fans are nonexistent/broken |
| 04:44.52 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: for DNAT you'd of course be using the nat table |
| 04:44.55 | gnarface | User_007: maybe there are some out-of-kernel drivers somewhere you can add |
| 04:45.37 | shockka | Congradulations you have won the lottery! Click her for your prize! Megalotto.com/gnarface/winner |
| 04:46.00 | SerajewelKS | !ops shockka spambot |
| 04:46.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: serajewelks complains about: shockka spambot |
| 04:46.03 | gnarface | shockka: go to hell |
| 04:46.54 | shockka | !ops SerajewelKS annoying |
| 04:46.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: shockka complains about: SerajewelKS annoying |
| 04:47.06 | SerajewelKS | give them enough rope... |
| 04:47.43 | User_007 | gnarface, i have the module, so down't it means that i have some drivers? |
| 04:47.53 | SerajewelKS | User_007: is the module actually loaded? |
| 04:48.04 | User_007 | yes loaded |
| 04:48.14 | SerajewelKS | User_007: perhaps it does not understand your hardware then |
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| 04:48.36 | shockka | !ops user_007 =not good with computers |
| 04:48.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: shockka complains about: user_007 =not good with computers |
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| 04:49.03 | nsadmin | ErrantEgo: you on duty? |
| 04:50.08 | shockka | Errantego |
| 04:50.21 | User_007 | shockka, if you are so good with computers, solve my problem! |
| 04:50.30 | SerajewelKS | User_007: he is a troll, just ignore him |
| 04:50.56 | User_007 | SerajewelKS, i know, just trolling a troll xD |
| 04:51.12 | SerajewelKS | User_007: that's not a good idea |
| 04:51.12 | nsadmin | that would be feeding it |
| 04:51.19 | User_007 | ok so |
| 04:51.20 | shockka | 1: whats a troll? 2: i never said i was good with computers eather |
| 04:52.28 | nsadmin | <shockka> YO LINUX. IM REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU BUT WINDOWS IS THE BEST OF AL |
| 04:52.28 | nsadmin | <shockka> L TIME |
| 04:52.33 | nsadmin | that's a troll |
| 04:52.53 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: now who's doing the feeding :P |
| 04:52.59 | nsadmin | this happened several seconds after you joined |
| 04:53.13 | shockka | K i did say that but i still dont know what a troll is. What is feeding? |
| 04:53.33 | nsadmin | I call bullshit :P |
| 04:53.57 | shockka | Dude how |
| 04:55.23 | shockka | And youve been on here that long to copy what i said? |
| 04:55.41 | andrewsw | hrmm... just one masq rule and it still fails. |
| 04:56.08 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: everything or just specific sites? |
| 04:56.20 | andrewsw | just specific sites. |
| 04:56.25 | shockka | KABOOM |
| 04:56.25 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 04:56.37 | SerajewelKS | maybe you /should/ try a traceroute... |
| 04:56.45 | shockka | KABOOM |
| 04:57.07 | andrewsw | the problem is it's sites linked from within other sites making it difficult to figure out exactly where it's hanging |
| 04:57.08 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: what is the specific failure message? |
| 04:57.12 | nsadmin | someone should adopt ipmasq |
| 04:57.16 | shockka | KABOOM! |
| 04:57.26 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: hmm... could you try wireshark or another sniffer to see what's going on? |
| 04:57.27 | andrewsw | just hangs spinning with the page partially loaded |
| 04:57.38 | shockka | KABOOM |
| 04:58.03 | andrewsw | I watched tcpdump for a while, comparing tcpdump on the client and the firewall with no real development. |
| 04:58.13 | shockka | KABOOM |
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| 04:59.05 | andrewsw | And it's not a browser problem, I think, since the problem occures in gecko and non-gecko browsers. iceweasel, epiphany, midori, google chrome, konquerer all exhibit the problem |
| 04:59.34 | SerajewelKS | hmm, and you're positive this doesn't happen if you bypass the firewall? |
| 04:59.59 | SerajewelKS | can you pastebin "iptables -L -n -v" and "iptables -t nat -L -n -v"? |
| 05:00.07 | User_007 | SerajewelKS, tell me, if i need to compile just one kernel module, i need to recompile all kernel? |
| 05:00.10 | sweetpi | think this channel needs more ops :/ |
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| 05:00.25 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: positive. let me reset and I"ll paste again |
| 05:00.27 | SerajewelKS | sweetpi: heard of /ignore? it's working great over here |
| 05:00.54 | SerajewelKS | User_007: i'm not sure how recompiling any modules would help you |
| 05:01.22 | sweetpi | SerajewelKS: and how does that solve anything for others? |
| 05:01.36 | nsadmin | sweetpi: so does #freenode apparantly |
| 05:01.42 | SerajewelKS | sweetpi: presumably they would issue the command themselves. anyway, it's a great tool in the absence of ops. |
| 05:02.52 | User_007 | SerajewelKS, i have forgotten to compile toshiba_acpi , and my laptop is toshiba... so it must be the probem |
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| 05:03.27 | SerajewelKS | User_007: ah, well, you should be able to compile only modules. it's been a while since i've compiled a kernel though, so i can't really help you with that. |
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| 05:06.21 | andrewsw | okay, confirmed it definitely works without the firewall... that is: modem -> switch -> client works just fine. |
| 05:06.47 | andrewsw | now back on modem -> firewall -> switch -> client fails |
| 05:07.11 | nsadmin | get rid of shorewall, try installing ipmasq |
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| 05:08.09 | andrewsw | nsadmin: but even a simple masq rule is causing the problem |
| 05:08.10 | nsadmin | which you can do if you're running lenny, and which you'll have to foreport if you're running anything after |
| 05:08.27 | andrewsw | nsadmin: not afraid of migrating. |
| 05:08.36 | andrewsw | but i'd rather avoid it for the moment. |
| 05:08.58 | nsadmin | you're running lenny on the firewall? |
| 05:09.10 | andrewsw | that's not really a solution. it was working fine a couple of weeks ago... firewall is running stable |
| 05:09.38 | andrewsw | yes, lenny, 5.0.5 |
| 05:09.40 | nsadmin | what did you do a coupla weeks ago? |
| 05:09.48 | andrewsw | moved to portland ;-) |
| 05:10.00 | jpinx-eeepc | that explains everything :) |
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| 05:10.11 | andrewsw | other than that, just the usual upgrades |
| 05:10.21 | nsadmin | what upgrades |
| 05:10.31 | nsadmin | and what do you mean usual |
| 05:10.49 | andrewsw | it's stable. whatever security updates came out. |
| 05:11.04 | andrewsw | no new packages or pulling from testing/sid. |
| 05:11.39 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: which iptables output do you want to see? the stripped down masq rule? or the whole thing? |
| 05:11.41 | nsadmin | I'd guess there are a coupla possibilities, |
| 05:11.45 | jpinx-eeepc | andrewsw: what exactly did you update/upgrade? was it safe upgrade or full upgrade? what packages were upgraded? |
| 05:11.56 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: everything: "iptables -L -n -v" and "iptables -t nat -L -n -v" |
| 05:12.12 | andrewsw | jpinx-eeepc: I generally run a full-upgrade, I'll see if I can figure out what it was. |
| 05:12.18 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: right |
| 05:12.18 | nsadmin | either one of those upgrades has caused the problem or you have some kind of hardware issue with the firewall machine |
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| 05:12.50 | andrewsw | nsadmin: right |
| 05:13.50 | nsadmin | any of those upgrades include the kernel |
| 05:14.19 | andrewsw | possibly. it's a xen vm, so that gets a little hairy. |
| 05:14.22 | GorillaPatch | what I do to track down configuration problems is putting the whole /etc folder under version control |
| 05:14.45 | ManBlue | Hello all. I'm using debian squeeze amd64 and trying to follow the directions to get flash working. it involves running a script. (.sh) Can anyone tell me how I do this? |
| 05:15.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ManBlue: usually you do " sh scriot.sh " |
| 05:16.14 | ManBlue | ok, now I got that far |
| 05:16.54 | ManBlue | then it tells me: Connecting to ftp.debian.org|130.89.149.226|:80... connected. |
| 05:16.54 | ManBlue | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 05:16.55 | ManBlue | 2010-07-25 01:16:05 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 05:17.11 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: http://debian.pastebin.com/DjvCBVHJ |
| 05:17.17 | SerajewelKS | ManBlue: then the script is out of date, or the mirror that you hit is out of date |
| 05:17.26 | ManBlue | ah |
| 05:17.31 | andrewsw | ummm... flash player is dead in amd64 |
| 05:17.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ManBlue: what guide aree you following? |
| 05:17.49 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: you can use the 32-bit flash player with nspluginwrapper (i do this) |
| 05:17.49 | ManBlue | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64 |
| 05:18.01 | andrewsw | yeah, I really need to do that, I guess. |
| 05:18.27 | ManBlue | yes, thats what I'm trrying to do, use the nspluginrapper |
| 05:18.41 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: I tried that process and it failed and I haven't had time to go back to it. :( |
| 05:19.08 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: the masquerade rule looks fine, but i can't really say much about all the other shorewall fluff, it's a lot to read |
| 05:19.47 | andrewsw | yeah, I know. But I think the fact that my simple masq rule causes the problem as well points to the shorewall not really being the problem. |
| 05:19.57 | SerajewelKS | perhaps |
| 05:19.59 | andrewsw | iow, the filter rules can be ignored, I think. |
| 05:20.46 | SerajewelKS | not necessarily |
| 05:22.33 | andrewsw | looking at the apt logs shows nothing changed since june 28, until I started messing around today. |
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| 05:22.42 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: the dmz2fw table looks suspicious |
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| 05:22.57 | andrewsw | THe problem was non-existent on July 10, and appeared when my net came back on July 13 or so. |
| 05:23.13 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: erm, wait... |
| 05:23.23 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: which interface does this problematic traffic enter the firewall on? |
| 05:23.58 | andrewsw | eth0 is lan, eth1 is dmz, eth2 is net |
| 05:23.58 | nsadmin | did you move between the 10th and 13th? |
| 05:24.07 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: that does not answer my question |
| 05:24.19 | andrewsw | SerajewelKS: sorry. eth0. |
| 05:24.30 | andrewsw | the client is connected through eth0 |
| 05:24.40 | andrewsw | nsadmin: yep. but no package changes. |
| 05:24.58 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: hmm, the filter table looks fine then... |
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| 05:26.01 | andrewsw | wishes there was a snapshot of this machine |
| 05:26.29 | nsadmin | is the only purpose of this machine to be a firewall? |
| 05:26.38 | andrewsw | nsadmin: yep. |
| 05:27.06 | nsadmin | ok, do you hAve memtest86 installed? |
| 05:27.29 | SerajewelKS | andrewsw: also, you mentioned xen. is the firewall running in dom0 or domU? |
| 05:27.30 | andrewsw | I think so. I know I"ve got it on a disk floating around here |
| 05:27.46 | nsadmin | run it for awhile |
| 05:27.56 | andrewsw | the firewall is in a domU |
| 05:28.17 | nsadmin | hmm. that's a lot of moving parts to check |
| 05:28.21 | andrewsw | it's way overly complicated setup from when I had more time to play with this stuff... |
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| 05:28.51 | SerajewelKS | i can't think of a good reason to run a firewall in domU instead of dom0 |
| 05:29.01 | andrewsw | Ah! BUt I can! |
| 05:29.06 | andrewsw | is funny... |
| 05:29.13 | SerajewelKS | :P |
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| 05:29.29 | SerajewelKS | then again, i'm the one who does tcp-in-tcp-in-tcp tunneling from my work computer to my home network, so... |
| 05:29.36 | SerajewelKS | hello lag |
| 05:29.47 | andrewsw | there's always some kind of fun complication to play with... |
| 05:29.58 | SerajewelKS | anyway, i need to get to bed |
| 05:30.00 | nsadmin | I would agree w/Sera... your firewall needs to be an independent machine |
| 05:30.10 | SerajewelKS | good luck, /msg me if you find out anything interesting |
| 05:30.14 | andrewsw | thanks for your help SerajewelKS |
| 05:30.16 | SerajewelKS | i'm curious to hear what the problem was |
| 05:30.17 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 05:30.54 | andrewsw | nsadmin: it is an independent machine... except for the actual hardware ;-) |
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| 05:31.26 | nsadmin | you know that's what I mean :P |
| 05:31.48 | andrewsw | yeah. the easy fix is to configure the modem router to do my dmz stuff and swap some cables around. |
| 05:31.56 | andrewsw | but it annoys me to have it not work the way it should. |
| 05:32.16 | nsadmin | at -minimum- you should try a separate machine with a pair of nics |
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| 05:32.37 | andrewsw | yeah, I used to do that, but that machine died. |
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| 05:32.56 | andrewsw | for the record, the public facing nic is hidden from dom0 using pciback |
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| 05:33.36 | andrewsw | so, within the limits of pciback, it really is like a separate machine. and the whole dmz is a virtual lan within xen. |
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| 05:34.33 | nsadmin | ok, so you now have a few things to try, the purpose of which would be to localize the problem. If you have a spare machine, you should try installing lenny, shorwall or ipmasq or something, and make sure there are two or three nics |
| 05:35.38 | nsadmin | if that succeeds, then you know the problem is in the existing router domU |
| 05:36.08 | nsadmin | also, you should run memtest86 on the hardware of the dom0 |
| 05:36.45 | andrewsw | yeah, a few things to try. |
| 05:37.01 | andrewsw | I might have a spare machine that works. |
| 05:37.04 | nsadmin | the purpose of which is to be a minimal/cheap way of determining if your box is sound |
| 05:37.23 | andrewsw | right. |
| 05:37.49 | andrewsw | okay, this is a project for another day now. |
| 05:37.52 | nsadmin | if that fails, then make sure everything (like ram etc) is seated properly |
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| 05:38.34 | andrewsw | I can certainly just rebuild the domU as well and thus determine if it's some configuration tweak somewhere (though I didn't change anytrhing) |
| 05:38.52 | andrewsw | anyway. I'm done. thanks nsadmin for your input. |
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| 05:41.03 | nsadmin | yw; gl |
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| 05:58.33 | SparFux | hi |
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| 06:25.16 | pflanze | andrewsw: just to be sure, can you rule out it being a MTU problem? |
| 06:25.44 | pflanze | because when you say you moved, that's a new ISP, then why not being an ISP based issue? |
| 06:26.04 | pflanze | (new ISP or at least different routers from the ISP) |
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| 06:26.59 | pflanze | And the only thing that clicks when I hear "hanging connections in some cases" is MTU issues. |
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| 06:28.36 | SparFux | pflanze from the usa? |
| 06:28.50 | pflanze | ? |
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| 06:30.12 | pflanze | SparFux: not sure what you mean, maybe you should write complete sentences. |
| 06:30.47 | SparFux | True. Pflanze is a german word "plant" and you seem to be in the USA. That was what I was wondering about. |
| 06:31.14 | pflanze | Im in Canada. And yes in that case you should have written a complete sentence. |
| 06:32.59 | SparFux | Sorry. |
| 06:34.08 | pflanze | You're a fox that saves too many words. |
| 06:34.44 | SparFux | But not when it comes to problems to solve: www.alice-dsl.net/jkl345/net.txt :-) |
| 06:35.03 | SparFux | andrewsw has network problems, too? |
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| 06:38.20 | pflanze | SparFux: well, if you expect people to know what your problem is from reading your text, then you've saved too many words there, too. |
| 06:38.41 | SparFux | you think so? in that long text??? |
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| 06:38.52 | pflanze | You don't introduce the actual problem at all! |
| 06:39.12 | pflanze | You only call it "the problem". |
| 06:39.25 | SparFux | pflanze: but you see it in the logs. local loopback is stalling frequently. |
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| 06:40.03 | pflanze | And you expect me to read such a long text till I get to the logs only to understand what the problem is at all? |
| 06:40.05 | Arafangion | Guys... Get over it. |
| 06:40.45 | SparFux | pls reload and check the top of file. |
| 06:41.13 | SparFux | pflanze: well, thx for the hint, I added an explanation of the problem on top. |
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| 06:41.26 | pflanze | Better, now I wonder is this a small router, or a PC? |
| 06:42.05 | fxiny | SparFux: still in trouble ? i read you are having system overheating , same here : fscking again this morning , pulling some wire , kicking the case , dancing the sioux resurrection dance . seen ? no superstition but high quality tech . i'll replace my primary hd with the original one : a mighty 4G hd "loud grinding" model ;) |
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| 06:42.47 | SparFux | fxiny: yes. |
| 06:42.58 | SparFux | fxiny: atm I think it might be a heat problem. |
| 06:43.35 | fxiny | SparFux: i added an extra fan yesterday , hd temp is acceptable but i believe my hd is almost dead |
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| 06:43.53 | SparFux | fxiny: I did memtest86+ all night long, no failure. |
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| 06:44.48 | fxiny | SparFux: S.M.A.R.T reports nothing |
| 06:44.58 | SparFux | pflanze: I elaborate on my network setup some more... |
| 06:46.23 | SparFux | pflanze: done. |
| 06:48.13 | SparFux | Meh!!! ==> WARNING: There are known problems with these drives, AND THIS FIRMWARE VERSION IS AFFECTED, |
| 06:48.21 | SparFux | Seagate Barracuda. |
| 06:48.51 | pflanze | SparFux: have you checked kern.log? |
| 06:49.17 | SparFux | pflanze: the logs I have looked over several times now and there's nothing specific to the lags. |
| 06:50.07 | pflanze | and the filesystem works normally? (i.e. the logs can still be written? if in doubt, run dmesg instead) |
| 06:50.13 | SparFux | this smart thing with the firmware is interesting. |
| 06:50.42 | SparFux | dmesg I looked into, too. nothing special. filesystem works ok. the network problem is the only thing I have observed which is screwed. |
| 06:51.11 | SparFux | and atm it's gone. that contributes to my overheating theory, because I have just turned on the machine. on the other hand, my p2p isn't running atm. |
| 06:51.19 | pflanze | SparFux: run strace -fp $pid_of_telnetd while you connect |
| 06:51.24 | SparFux | but yesterday it wasn't running and the lag was there. |
| 06:51.43 | fxiny | SparFux: 1.5 T ? |
| 06:51.52 | SparFux | pflanze: I have no telnetd. I use telnet to show it "hanging" when I am expecting telnet to immediately get a "connection refused". |
| 06:52.02 | pflanze | aha |
| 06:52.08 | SparFux | fxiny: no, 750G. |
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| 06:52.54 | pflanze | What if you remove all iptable rules? |
| 06:53.23 | pflanze | dito for tc qdisc maybe |
| 06:53.57 | pflanze | I don't see why loopback would fail and otherwise have the cpu still running fine. |
| 06:54.01 | fxiny | SparFux: try running : hddtemp /dev/<ice> |
| 06:54.19 | SparFux | /dev/sda: ST3750330AS: 40°C |
| 06:54.21 | pflanze | So the overheating theory seems strange. Only sensible thing would be if the ethernet interface fails. |
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| 06:54.31 | fxiny | 40 is ok |
| 06:54.32 | pflanze | Or the disk. |
| 06:54.41 | SparFux | pflanze: while the internet connection works ok all the time? hm... |
| 06:54.47 | pflanze | Exactly. |
| 06:54.51 | Ruum | hey guys what is the command for unzipping a file |
| 06:54.58 | pflanze | So I say I don't see why it should be heat. |
| 06:55.00 | SparFux | the disk? it does nothing with local loopbakc network, only it loads the driver at bootup. |
| 06:55.01 | SerajewelKS | Ruum: unzip |
| 06:55.13 | Ruum | I did that and it doesnt understand it |
| 06:55.15 | SparFux | pflanze: true. even heat is unlikely. |
| 06:55.23 | Ruum | "bash command not found" |
| 06:55.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell Ruum about installit |
| 06:55.30 | SparFux | Ruum: install unzip program. |
| 06:55.30 | pflanze | SparFux: so, did you try without any iptables and tc rules? |
| 06:55.41 | SparFux | pflanze: yes. still fails. |
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| 06:56.17 | SparFux | besides, tc would be possible to cause this, but the firewall would permanently block, and not do something sporadically. |
| 06:56.45 | pflanze | well, still the closest thing I'd say |
| 06:57.03 | pflanze | You're not running out of RAM, are you? |
| 06:57.31 | SparFux | 8GB RAM here. |
| 06:57.42 | pflanze | You can still run out of that. |
| 06:57.46 | SparFux | ok :-) |
| 06:57.55 | fxiny | SparFux: what term are you using ? sterm gnome konsole mrxvt ? |
| 06:57.57 | SparFux | Mem: 8201772 1103624 7098148 0 46844 518796 |
| 06:58.05 | fxiny | s/sterm/xterm |
| 06:58.13 | SparFux | Xorg, Xmonad (minimal), rxvt (minimal), firefox. |
| 06:58.21 | SparFux | it is urxvt indeed. |
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| 06:58.27 | fxiny | xmonad ? good |
| 06:58.54 | SparFux | I am pretty sure I am not running out of ram. Nice idea, but the symptoms would be terminating processes and I got so much ram and do so few apps,... :-) |
| 06:59.14 | pflanze | Maybe you've got a buggy kernel, or an infection with a trojan? You could double check whether it's a software issue or not by booting from a debian/grml/ubuntu live cd. |
| 06:59.14 | SparFux | I have to admit I am running a hell lot of daemons. |
| 06:59.22 | fxiny | if you type say ls , do you notice any lags , sometimes ? |
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| 06:59.43 | SparFux | pflanze: right! That's a good idea. I just run a grml live system. |
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| 07:00.03 | fxiny | that coulb be bash completion enabled |
| 07:00.04 | SparFux | right now the problem is not there, but as soon as it is, I will reboot into grml. :-) |
| 07:00.22 | SparFux | fxiny: only when I hit tab acccidentally. |
| 07:00.35 | fxiny | SparFux: is bash completion enabled ? |
| 07:00.40 | SparFux | pflanze: this idea is good. I will go for grml as soon as problem reoccurs. |
| 07:00.50 | SparFux | fxiny: my bash completion is enabled, yes. |
| 07:00.57 | fxiny | try disabling it |
| 07:01.11 | SparFux | fxiny: oh, you mean to explain the lagggs??? :-) |
| 07:01.11 | ykaya | I have a Toshiba Laptop and the illuminated buttons on the laptop does not work. The buttons are for wireless on-off, play-pause, volume up-down etc. Has anybody managed to operate these buttons? |
| 07:01.40 | fxiny | SparFux: i mean in etc |
| 07:01.45 | superlinux | hi. I have my open office refresh rate with respect to changes slow. how can I fix that? |
| 07:02.02 | superlinux | I have a 40 pages document. |
| 07:02.23 | SparFux | fxiny: I am pretty sure it's not bash completion. |
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| 07:03.11 | pflanze | Also wondering whether you're using network manager. (And you're on Debian, not Ubuntu, right?) |
| 07:03.13 | fxiny | SparFux: anyway you are talking about lag |
| 07:04.09 | SparFux | fxiny: ok, I try. |
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| 07:04.24 | SparFux | but the lag is even there when trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 with firefox! |
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| 07:06.04 | SparFux | fxiny: I checked serial number and there is no download available for my drive :-) |
| 07:06.34 | fxiny | SparFux: check apt-get up[tab] , nothing ? ok no tab completion enabled |
| 07:06.41 | fxiny | no lag |
| 07:07.11 | SparFux | it was, now it's not. I usually do this with files. ls /etc/pass<tab> |
| 07:07.24 | SparFux | it's off now, the problem is gone anyway, I will have to wait wether it re-occurs... :-( |
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| 07:11.24 | SparFux | fxiny: now I have to question of what to make out of this: ==> WARNING: There are known problems with these drives, AND THIS FIRMWARE VERSION IS AFFECTED, |
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| 07:11.54 | SparFux | seagate does not offer download for my serial number and it is somewhere stated only a small amount of devices is affected. |
| 07:12.17 | fxiny | SparFux: firefox ? load about:config and type ipv6 in the filter field |
| 07:12.50 | fxiny | SparFux: is it false or true ? |
| 07:12.53 | SparFux | false. |
| 07:12.59 | SparFux | so it is ENABLED. |
| 07:13.01 | fxiny | is ok |
| 07:13.04 | SparFux | but I don't think it's a problem. |
| 07:13.21 | fxiny | no , is disabled and is ok |
| 07:13.27 | SparFux | network.dns.disable.ipv6 is false. so. |
| 07:13.33 | collabra | what would be the name of the plugin needed for wma audio files? |
| 07:13.35 | fxiny | oh yes |
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| 07:13.42 | SparFux | he. |
| 07:14.02 | SparFux | if it was an ipv6 problem, I'd have it right now. |
| 07:14.16 | collabra | seriously,... i've alot of wma files and need a codec |
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| 07:15.12 | collabra | anyone..? |
| 07:15.28 | jpinx-eeepc | collabra: did you try playing them in vlc or similar? |
| 07:15.54 | collabra | I'm trying to play them in rhythmbox |
| 07:15.58 | SparFux | collabra: did you install the plugin packages? |
| 07:16.16 | collabra | which do i need for wma audio files? |
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| 07:16.22 | fxiny | mplayer can play anything |
| 07:16.36 | jpinx-eeepc | what's thythmbox? |
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| 07:16.52 | jpinx-eeepc | !rthythmbox |
| 07:17.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !rhythmbox |
| 07:17.04 | dpkg | rhythmbox is probably an audio player inspired by Apple Inc.'s iTunes for the <GNOME> desktop. Packaged for Debian. http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ http://projects.gnome.org/rhythmbox/ #rhythmbox on irc.gimp.net. |
| 07:17.09 | collabra | It's an audio player |
| 07:17.23 | collabra | it organizes music and such |
| 07:17.28 | jpinx-eeepc | helps if i don't make typos :/ |
| 07:18.05 | jpinx-eeepc | collabra: looks like a gnome thing - I don't use gnome (nor kde) |
| 07:18.23 | collabra | the thing is,... Fedora 13,.. i had no problem... heh, heh, I know this is debian.... and i'm just hopin' i dont have to go back |
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| 07:18.44 | moldovean | go back |
| 07:18.59 | jpinx-eeepc | you gotta do what you gotta do ;) |
| 07:19.24 | fxiny | collabra: i can playe wma in xmms2 no porbs |
| 07:19.25 | collabra | good for you jpinx-eeepc I do,... and just wodering if any here knows the name of the package of codecs nessesary to play wma files |
| 07:19.42 | jpinx-eeepc | collabra: dmm might help |
| 07:19.59 | collabra | dmm,... ok. |
| 07:20.08 | moldovean | w32codecs |
| 07:20.12 | fxiny | no need to talk about fetpra or ubu or anything : debian is a top distro , as a debian user i miss nothing at all |
| 07:20.45 | jpinx-eeepc | no applause required - we're all here because we want to be ;) |
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| 07:21.17 | collabra | lol,... amazing the attitude in here... np i'll go somewhere else. |
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| 07:21.23 | fxiny | take the ape files , i could play 'em in xmms , xmms gone ? on i convert 'em |
| 07:21.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ffmpeg does good conversions |
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| 07:22.00 | fxiny | exactly |
| 07:22.13 | jpinx-eeepc | I rip audio from youtube.flvs with it |
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| 07:23.48 | moldovean | !next |
| 07:23.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 07:32.47 | fxiny | clean my room or i'll install windows , ubu , fetora , wt4x ! |
| 07:33.27 | fxiny | reptilians :P |
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| 07:36.03 | pif | hi, what package creates the basic device nodes in /dev |
| 07:36.09 | pif | before udev kicks in |
| 07:36.43 | moldovean | MAKEDEV ? |
| 07:36.59 | pif | base-files runs a MAKEDEV? |
| 07:37.30 | pallgone | !nope |
| 07:37.30 | dpkg | yes |
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| 07:37.42 | pif | heh |
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| 07:39.04 | pallgone | !lol |
| 07:39.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:39.19 | pallgone | lol |
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| 07:43.28 | hid3 | !wtf |
| 07:43.30 | moldovean | pif, makedev - creates device files in /dev |
| 07:43.53 | hid3 | hey, dpkg knows what 'wtf' stands for!!! |
| 07:44.09 | moldovean | hid3, and ? |
| 07:44.18 | hid3 | smart! |
| 07:44.20 | hid3 | :D |
| 07:44.28 | hid3 | well, not smart, but realistic |
| 07:44.50 | fxiny | dpkg rulez |
| 07:44.50 | dpkg | Yeah, I do, don't I? |
| 07:45.16 | hid3 | Any ideas how to disable name resolution for rsyncd daemon? It tires to get FQDN for every connected client... |
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| 07:46.47 | hid3 | anyone? |
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| 07:47.05 | fxiny | no idea . all FQDN here |
| 07:47.37 | hid3 | That sucks. I don't need those names in my logs... |
| 07:49.43 | moldovean | try use alias in hosts |
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| 07:51.03 | hid3 | Folks from the outside connect to me too. Inside IPs aren't a problem |
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| 08:12.32 | superlinux | hi what is the channel of openoffice? |
| 08:12.40 | au | #openoffice ? |
| 08:12.52 | superlinux | au it's empty |
| 08:12.58 | au | :( |
| 08:13.03 | au | superlinux: try /list *openoffice* |
| 08:13.11 | superlinux | ok |
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| 08:14.09 | SparFux | #openoffice.org |
| 08:14.23 | SparFux | au: #openoffice.org |
| 08:14.48 | superlinux | SparFux, yes it's |
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| 08:15.51 | superlinux | however. I have the OnChange event refreshes slowly. I am on 3..1.1. some might say : "go update!" but it's costly on me at the moment |
| 08:16.09 | superlinux | that's my problem |
| 08:16.32 | superlinux | i am on OO writer |
| 08:17.08 | fxiny | lenny ? |
| 08:17.15 | superlinux | fxiny, yes! |
| 08:17.27 | superlinux | and I am using 64bit |
| 08:17.32 | fxiny | superlinux: i'm using bpo 3.2 . very fast |
| 08:17.38 | superlinux | ok |
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| 08:17.47 | superlinux | then why not! |
| 08:17.57 | fxiny | exactly |
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| 08:24.02 | hid3 | Does the debian mirror list gets updated each time a new release (or point release) is made? |
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| 08:26.49 | moldovean | daily 1 or 2 times |
| 08:26.58 | SparFux | so far no more local loop stalls. |
| 08:27.45 | hid3 | moldovean: I mean, the list on the installation CD... Of course the list online is the most up to date.. |
| 08:28.18 | moldovean | hid3, testings ? |
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| 08:30.04 | hid3 | No. OK. I've submitted a new mirror. Hope it will be added during the next threee weeks. So if everything goes right, it will be included in either 5.0.6 or 6.0 installation CDs, right? |
| 08:30.29 | hid3 | So that people installing from those CDs will be able select it as a primary apt source |
| 08:30.31 | hid3 | Right? |
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| 08:30.44 | SparFux | Can I use the debtorrent torrent client to also download other torrents not related to debian? |
| 08:34.49 | SparFux | I don't the idea of running an extra torrent client. |
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| 08:37.21 | hid3 | :( |
| 08:37.39 | hid3 | It's ~900 people here and no one is alive or interested in debian discussions |
| 08:37.59 | SparFux | I am! |
| 08:38.22 | rvalles | having fun @ euskal encounter... |
| 08:39.29 | moldovean | hid3, http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2010/07/threads.html |
| 08:40.29 | hid3 | Heh, Chicago doesn't care either! |
| 08:43.16 | dutchfish | hid3: for those who have selected a pool url its instant i believe based on geo i assume |
| 08:43.34 | dutchfish | hid3: as soon as it is in, that is |
| 08:44.26 | hid3 | dutchfish: well, I won't be in the pool, I guess. Mine is a leaf, not a push or a country mirror... |
| 08:45.07 | dutchfish | hid3: like ftp.xx.debian.org where xx is a 2 letter representation of the country |
| 08:45.30 | dutchfish | hid3: that counts for the leafs |
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| 08:45.57 | SparFux | pflanze: I can even just boot grml from virtual machine to test if the software is failing. |
| 08:45.58 | hid3 | dutchfish: unfortunately there isn't ftp.lt.d.o |
| 08:46.15 | hid3 | so it doesn't count for leafs (we have three leafs in our country, IIRC) |
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| 08:46.44 | dutchfish | hid3: then you are lucky, because you will hit first then (as soon as your mirror is acknowledged) |
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| 08:47.26 | hid3 | dutchfish: any ideas on how long the submission/testing/acknowledgement process takes? |
| 08:47.51 | X-Raimo | hello, I compiled new kernel using make bzImage modules modules_install install. But there's no initrd file. Why? And how to create it? |
| 08:47.51 | dutchfish | hid3: if you are talking about a full debian mirror which does use debian policies |
| 08:48.15 | dutchfish | hid3: no idee |
| 08:48.17 | hid3 | dutchfish: of course! |
| 08:48.49 | hid3 | I saw around 17 unclascified submission requests there... Mine is the last. It seems it's going to take loooong... |
| 08:49.15 | hid3 | ubuntu was faster.. Took around a few hours ;-) |
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| 08:49.43 | SparFux | pflanze: very nice! the real system fails on telnet 127.0.0.1 frequently, but not the kvm virtual machine :-) |
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| 08:50.06 | d-s-d | hi |
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| 08:50.24 | SparFux | is there any hardware involved in telnet localhost anyway? |
| 08:50.30 | dutchfish | hid3: ehe, 1 its weekend 2 look at your watch 3 have some patience |
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| 08:51.27 | dutchfish | hid3: but i expect it to be a few days if all is done right |
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| 08:52.44 | antgel | hi all. have upgraded a box from lenny -> squeeze. it was late last night. haven't rebooted yet. heard some stuff about UUIDs on squeeze |
| 08:52.55 | antgel | my fstab still has normal device names - is that a problem? |
| 08:52.56 | hid3 | dutchfish: no, it's neither weekend nor the clock faulty. Some of those submissions were done in the first days of July and are still unprocessed. I guess the debian mirror team is on holiday! ;-) |
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| 08:53.23 | antgel | i don't want to reboot without being sure - i'm remote. someone is onsite but he doesn't know much about sysadmin |
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| 08:54.14 | dutchfish | hid3: well maybe this is one for #debian-mentors to ask at oftc, i am not sure |
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| 08:54.39 | hid3 | well, not worth to bother about it too early, you're right |
| 08:54.56 | hid3 | OTOH, I have still some time to find and fix bugs, if any... |
| 08:54.59 | dutchfish | hid3: anyway, thanks, and keep up the good work ! |
| 08:55.43 | hid3 | dutchfish: NP! I'm glad to be able to help the debian project! |
| 08:56.01 | dutchfish | hid3: and ... last but not least .. check your own dns-ing, it must be flawless |
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| 08:56.44 | hid3 | Well.. What flaws should I look for? The only flaw is that our DNS admin is reluctant to set a TTL less than 86400 for the mirror record.. |
| 08:56.58 | dutchfish | hid3: dig -x yourbox.ext |
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| 08:57.34 | dutchfish | hid3: must match dig -A yourbox.ext |
| 08:57.48 | SparFux | pflanze: I stopped mldonkey and the laggs in the real system disappear. hm.... |
| 08:58.05 | dutchfish | hid3: 86400 is fine |
| 08:58.41 | dutchfish | hid3: good luck |
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| 08:59.25 | hid3 | dutchfish: yeah, 86400 is fine until your machine runs fine. But if you have a crash, then some people might be unhappy untill they cache clears (after you change the DNS to other mirror server) |
| 08:59.27 | hid3 | Thanks! |
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| 09:05.29 | dutchfish | hid3: i just checked some i see 28800 as the largest on most mirrors |
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| 09:06.21 | dutchfish | hid3: example: dig @ns1.debian.org -t A ftp.nl.debian.org |
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| 09:07.26 | hid3 | dutchfish: yeah, that was what I tried to explain our DNS admin. It took me around 2 hours with no results.. |
| 09:07.57 | dutchfish | hid3: and he has good reasons too, but this is a good exception |
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| 09:09.06 | hid3 | Indeed.. But this really should be an exception! |
| 09:09.35 | hid3 | I tried to explain him that most people use apt-get once a day or once a week so there's no point in caching the record that long |
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| 09:09.59 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 09:11.02 | hid3 | Anyway, let's hope everything will go flawlessly and there won't be any need to change the DNS in emergency cases ;-) |
| 09:11.07 | rgr | latest squeeze update has left my main dev machine unusable. "symbol 'grub-xputs' not found and then I'm dumped into the wonderful grub-rescue ... I have multiple sata drives in there. Little found via google - I cant see how to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc from my sysrescue disk. Any advice appreciated. |
| 09:11.35 | dutchfish | hid3: you cant change it in case of emergency, it will to late by then |
| 09:12.09 | hid3 | yeah, it will be too late but the sooner you change it, the less people will feel the downtime |
| 09:12.20 | dutchfish | hid3: furthermore some hideous dns servers cache it longer anyway no mather what your admin will set it to |
| 09:12.39 | hid3 | Yeah, I know that |
| 09:12.55 | hid3 | someone tols me MS's Exchange DNS ignores EVERYTHING but the records... |
| 09:13.03 | hid3 | and sets their own TTL, etc.. |
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| 09:14.05 | rgr | how can I reinstall grub from "grub-rescue" .. this is pretty urgent. My main machine wont boot. |
| 09:14.23 | chomwitt | in squeeze + kde i get a strange bash behavior when logged as user (as root no problem). history doenst work neither tab command completion. when i push up arrow i get ^[[A |
| 09:14.43 | hid3 | !tell me about squeeze |
| 09:15.03 | quiritius | ,versions uswsusp |
| 09:15.05 | judd | uswsusp -- etch: 0.3~cvs20060928-7etch1; lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 0.8-1.2+b1 |
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| 09:15.24 | rgr | dontlogin as root into a DE ... might be your TERM setting. Did you manually set it in your.bash_env or something? |
| 09:15.35 | hid3 | Are there any updates on the Squeeze release date? |
| 09:15.50 | chomwitt | rgr: no i dont remember changing bash settings |
| 09:15.58 | dutchfish | chomwitt: are the skeleton file saltered in some way, or has that user an inapropriate .bashrc ? if yes, recreate it. |
| 09:16.24 | dutchfish | s/file saltered/files altered |
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| 09:16.44 | moldovean | rgr, ask next room #grub |
| 09:17.12 | rgr | its debian specific |
| 09:17.19 | rgr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588370 |
| 09:17.23 | rgr | goddam it |
| 09:17.30 | chomwitt | dutchfish: ok. i'll try recreat those files |
| 09:17.48 | dutchfish | chomwitt: make copies first ;) |
| 09:18.04 | rgr | sata drives with lvm. I could cry. this is a nightmare. |
| 09:18.27 | moldovean | rgr, still #grub |
| 09:18.48 | rgr | moral - always reboot after an aptitude upgrade so you know that once more your Linux systen has been hosed and dont discover it the morning you need to get some work done ;) |
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| 09:19.00 | hid3 | Anyone using 'testing' at the moment? I wonder if you can mkfs and mount EXT4 there... |
| 09:19.06 | chomwitt | dutchfish: yep! |
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| 09:20.20 | danboid | My vlc MP4 playback has been broke under squeeze for the last month or two- apt-get upgrade just updated it but its still broke. Just me? |
| 09:20.39 | rgr | As I said, its debian specific. |
| 09:20.57 | rgr | and the only advice I can find is dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc. Which is hard with no debain. |
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| 09:21.21 | danboid | rgr, grub probs? |
| 09:21.24 | rgr | (and not to mention #grub has about 0 people) |
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| 09:21.30 | hello | hello |
| 09:21.50 | danboid | Thats a power nick you have there hello. Hello! |
| 09:21.51 | rgr | danboid: latest squeeze update has hosed my boot. symbol grub-xputs not found. |
| 09:22.09 | hello | how to point my domain name to my webserver |
| 09:22.17 | hello | hehe yeah thx ,yes its nice |
| 09:22.26 | hello | and friendly ?isnt it |
| 09:22.26 | rgr | you ask your domain name manager SW to do it. |
| 09:22.44 | rgr | the people you registered your domain name with. |
| 09:22.58 | hello | yes i did with go daddy |
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| 09:23.11 | danboid | rgr, Have you got access to a machine you could dl and burn suergrubdisk on? |
| 09:23.11 | hello | i have a option to forward domain name |
| 09:23.15 | danboid | rgr: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 09:23.23 | rgr | danboid: I have a sysrescue cd |
| 09:23.31 | rgr | but no blanks and no burner. |
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| 09:23.34 | hello | i need to have dns server of my own or ? |
| 09:23.43 | rgr | hello: I told you what to do. |
| 09:23.59 | danboid | rgr: Yes, you will be able to fix it with that too |
| 09:24.29 | rgr | danboid: can you hold my hand? |
| 09:24.40 | rgr | what about from grub-rescue prompt? |
| 09:24.55 | dutchfish | hello: in short: your domain name has a whois record wich points to the dns server responsable, ask the owners of that dns server to alter it. |
| 09:25.26 | rgr | he shouldnt have to contact any dns server owners. |
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| 09:25.42 | danboid | rgr: I've never had much luck doing stuff from the grub prompt although you can get it to boot that way but its trickier than it could be |
| 09:25.42 | rgr | he should set the ip address from his admin interface at godaddy. |
| 09:25.53 | rgr | danboid: ok, let me boot from sysrescue |
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| 09:26.10 | hello | okay thx : 0 |
| 09:27.47 | rgr | danboid: I tried earlier grub-install /dev/sda2 where /dev/sda2 is my /boot partition but still no joy. Guess I need to reinstall actual grub? I dont know. grub terrifies me. next steo? At sysrescue prompt now on other machine. |
| 09:28.00 | Benkinooby | hmmm, i am trying to get automount for usb's running on my system (ubuntu 10.04, fluxbox gui), but on the ubuntuwebsite i didn't see any usefull information and other forums are far outdated. what processes are required to run to get a successful auto mount? when i plug in a pendrive, it get a window telling me "unable to mount [pendrivename]. not authorized". so it lloks like automount is up and running, but my permissions are f**** up. where can i |
| 09:28.00 | Benkinooby | start to search for the problem? |
| 09:28.24 | rgr | Benkinooby: you'll be lucky here. #ubuntu. |
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| 09:29.25 | Benkinooby | rgr, oha! sorry, wrong channel ;) |
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| 09:30.16 | rgr | danboid: still there? :) |
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| 09:30.20 | danboid | rgr, The magic command you're looking for is update-grub2 followed by grub-install- those two should fix it |
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| 09:30.37 | rgr | grub2 isnt on the sysrescue |
| 09:30.49 | danboid | rgr: I think you'll need to mount you fkd partition then chroot to it now |
| 09:31.11 | rgr | fkd? |
| 09:31.19 | rgr | I cant ... its lvm. a fekking hell. |
| 09:31.20 | danboid | rgr, if its relatively recent version then grub 1 and 2 will be on sysresccd |
| 09:31.32 | rgr | I can onl mount /boot |
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| 09:31.42 | inklesspen | I have a problem with the ntp, ntpdate, and dhcp3-client packages. I'm on testing. After a recent apt-get update, apt-get insists that ntp and ntpdate require dhcp3-client to be uninstalled, and vice versa. |
| 09:31.42 | danboid | rgr, LVM- ahh! |
| 09:31.50 | inklesspen | Any ideas what I can do about this? |
| 09:31.54 | rgr | I'm happy to reinstall normal grub for now. how? |
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| 09:32.22 | rgr | there is no update-grub either on the cd |
| 09:32.31 | heraclitus_ | all this non-free cause so much confusion and moves debian to increasingly more miserable, shape... |
| 09:32.32 | rgr | (trying not to panic ...) |
| 09:32.47 | dutchfish | inklesspen: dont use ntpdate, just ntp and dhcp3, or if static only ntp |
| 09:32.49 | danboid | rgr, try those two commands and see what happens? I've never had a grub prob w/ LVM yet but I see how thats going to compilcate things |
| 09:32.58 | rgr | there are no such commands |
| 09:33.07 | inklesspen | dutchfish: yeah, well, ntp still conflicts with dhcp3-client |
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| 09:33.20 | rgr | grub, grub-install, grub-set-default .. aha |
| 09:33.28 | dutchfish | inklesspen: what debian version? |
| 09:33.33 | inklesspen | dutchfish: testing |
| 09:33.37 | inklesspen | I keep pretty up to date |
| 09:33.48 | danboid | rgr, grub-mkconfig is the same thing as update-grub2 |
| 09:33.52 | dutchfish | inklesspen: i running testing myself with ntp and dhcpv3 |
| 09:34.15 | rgr | no grub-mkconfig either. |
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| 09:34.20 | dutchfish | inklesspen: let me check again, a sec |
| 09:34.26 | inklesspen | dutchfish: well, I run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade every day or two. recently, it announced it was uninstalling ntp and ntpdate |
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| 09:34.34 | danboid | rgr, what version of sysresccd is this? |
| 09:34.39 | inklesspen | when I tried to reinstall ntp, it said it would have to remove dhcp3-client |
| 09:34.44 | rgr | burnt it a few months back |
| 09:35.01 | danboid | should def have all the grub2 utils on it then |
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| 09:35.08 | djura-san | morning boys and girls :) |
| 09:35.12 | inklesspen | /etc/debian_version says I'm on squeeze/sid |
| 09:35.22 | danboid | djace, mornink! |
| 09:35.31 | inklesspen | hm, I didn't think I had any sid packages |
| 09:35.32 | rgr | but can I reinstall grub using grub-install |
| 09:35.34 | inklesspen | what's up with that |
| 09:35.38 | dutchfish | inklesspen: you need 1:4.2.6.p1+dfsg-1 for ntp and i have dhcp3-client 3.1.3-2, that works |
| 09:35.54 | rgr | then can switch back to grub2 (although why I dont know - this is the thrid hosed system with grub2 updates) |
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| 09:36.36 | inklesspen | dutchfish: ah; i have that same version of dhcp3-client installed. |
| 09:36.50 | inklesspen | apt-cache show ntp says "Breaks: dhcp3-client (<< 4.1.0-1)" |
| 09:36.54 | inklesspen | not sure what's going on here |
| 09:36.58 | danboid | rgr: personally, if your not in a massive rush, I'd say the easiest thing for you to do is get hold of supergrubdisk and it should be easy to fix grub then |
| 09:37.05 | dutchfish | inklesspen: if possible can you pastebin your output? |
| 09:37.12 | rgr | I can mount /dev/sda2 and see its my original /boot. |
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| 09:37.31 | inklesspen | dutchfish: output of what? |
| 09:37.34 | dutchfish | inklesspen: and you ntp version? |
| 09:37.39 | hid3 | inklesspen: are you able to mkfs and mount EXT4 partitions on testing? (offtopic questions) |
| 09:37.41 | danboid | rgr: I don't have enough experience with lvm to help you manually fix this sorry |
| 09:37.47 | inklesspen | hid3: never tried |
| 09:37.52 | rgr | I dont think its an lvm thing. |
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| 09:37.53 | hid3 | oh, I see |
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| 09:38.05 | hid3 | Wonder if testing supports that |
| 09:38.05 | inklesspen | dutchfish: apt-cache show ntp reads '1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1', but of course I don't have it installed right now |
| 09:38.19 | heraclitus_ | when for every dmn device you have to do all that weird rope dancing... i mean, one can learn rope dancing, but learning that is not exactly why most people want to use operating system... |
| 09:38.20 | rgr | its simply hosed grub disk numbers again. And of course insufficient testing prior to release "grub_xputs not found". |
| 09:38.38 | rgr | but will take your advice and go supergrub" ;) |
| 09:38.39 | dutchfish | inklesspen: the try aptitude update && aptitude reinstall ntp (as root) |
| 09:39.11 | Posterdati | hi |
| 09:39.12 | Posterdati | please |
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| 09:39.38 | inklesspen | dutchfish: http://paste.lisp.org/display/112805 |
| 09:39.47 | Posterdati | I put .sh files for variables initialization under /etc/profile.d but it seems the aren't executed |
| 09:39.52 | rgr | lol supergrub web .. download cd - page not found. gibber. |
| 09:39.52 | inklesspen | I don't use aptitude (I hate its ui) but I'll try that |
| 09:40.06 | rgr | inklesspen: do it from command line. |
| 09:40.19 | inklesspen | I don't even ahve aptitude installed |
| 09:40.32 | danboid | rgr: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/index.php?pid=4 |
| 09:41.01 | dutchfish | inklesspen: i urgently advise to use aptitude on testing |
| 09:41.02 | inklesspen | "ntp is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled." |
| 09:41.13 | inklesspen | then give it a ui that doesn't suck balls |
| 09:41.33 | dutchfish | well, i use it, and i havent your problem, what can i say? sorry |
| 09:41.40 | babilen | inklesspen: aptitude-gtk? |
| 09:41.46 | inklesspen | this is a server |
| 09:41.49 | inklesspen | no x installed |
| 09:41.50 | rgr | danboid: 1.98s1? |
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| 09:41.56 | babilen | inklesspen: And the CLI is quite usable :) |
| 09:42.07 | inklesspen | not last time I used it |
| 09:42.09 | danboid | rgr: burn/boot that, choose the first option it gives you and it should find and boot your existing grub. Ten once booted you need to update-grub2 then grub-install as root, basically |
| 09:42.15 | themill | inklesspen: it's identical to apt-get.... |
| 09:42.19 | inklesspen | no it's not |
| 09:42.25 | inklesspen | it's a curses-based interface |
| 09:42.31 | danboid | rgr, that sounds right |
| 09:42.31 | Esine | Hey. How can I a) list all files that a package owns b) find a package that owns a specific file, please? I suppose this can be done with the apt-* utilities? |
| 09:42.33 | inklesspen | that does not work anyway you'd expect |
| 09:42.33 | dutchfish | inklesspen: testing on a production server? you should be spanked. |
| 09:42.47 | babilen | inklesspen: I am talking about the command line interface. No need to use the curses based interface |
| 09:42.55 | inklesspen | well, if stable would support things newer than token ring networking, maybe I'd use that |
| 09:43.04 | rgr | inklesspen: try it before getting yourself in a picke "sudo aptitude update" |
| 09:43.12 | rgr | no curses involved |
| 09:43.14 | inklesspen | how about you stop telling me I'm evil for not doing things your way and try helping |
| 09:43.17 | themill | inklesspen: "aptitude install foo" is the CLI interface. In any case, you need the isc-dhcp-client package from sid, not squeeze. |
| 09:43.37 | inklesspen | I don't understand why it thinks I have sid |
| 09:43.39 | danboid | rgr, good luck! |
| 09:43.39 | inklesspen | because I don't |
| 09:43.56 | rgr | danboid: thanks. I'm a tad annoyed at this ;) |
| 09:44.16 | rgr | inklesspen: its becuase of hosed cross dependencies. it happens with developing sw. live with it. |
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| 09:44.41 | inklesspen | well, since I don't use sid packages, I can hardly install sid dhcp packages |
| 09:44.42 | danboid | rgr, I can understand although I do think the new grub is much better than the old one now |
| 09:45.04 | themill | inklesspen: if you choose to use testing in a production environment, then you need to learn. |
| 09:45.14 | heraclitus_ | what should i do to be able to install non-free with aptitude? i have non-free listed everywhere in sources.list next to main, but aptitude doesn't find it, in spite that the packages i want are in the repository which i use |
| 09:45.14 | inklesspen | themill: I use testing, not sid |
| 09:45.21 | inklesspen | why is this so hard to understand |
| 09:45.33 | themill | inklesspen: "aptitude install foo" is the CLI interface. In any case, you need the isc-dhcp-client package from sid, not squeeze. |
| 09:45.45 | themill | inklesspen: ^^ what part of *that* is hard to understand? |
| 09:45.53 | babilen | heraclitus_: Have you executed "aptitude update" after you added non-free to your sources.list? |
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| 09:45.57 | inklesspen | themill: the part where I don't use sid, yet supposedly I need sid packages |
| 09:46.14 | themill | gives up |
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| 09:46.27 | gnarface | inklesspen: sid is newer |
| 09:46.30 | dutchfish | inklesspen: repost: you need 1:4.2.6.p1+dfsg-1 for ntp and i have dhcp3-client 3.1.3-2, that works |
| 09:46.35 | babilen | heraclitus_: If you in fact did that, you might want to paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy pkg" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:46.41 | inklesspen | gnarface: sid is unstable. |
| 09:46.48 | gnarface | inklesspen: i'm unstable |
| 09:46.59 | inklesspen | dutchfish: as far as I can tell, that's what I have, and it won't work |
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| 09:47.24 | themill | inklesspen: either install that package from sid, or don't do any updates for the next 11 or 12 days and hope it migrates to squeeze in that time. Your choice. |
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| 09:47.32 | dutchfish | inklesspen: the solve your patitude problem first, i tend to believe that apt-get is playing tricks on you |
| 09:47.32 | Swistaczek | Hello |
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| 09:47.43 | inklesspen | dutchfish: I'm open to suggestions |
| 09:47.45 | themill | inklesspen: in any case, you've been given your options and now you're just being a pain in the arse. |
| 09:47.45 | dutchfish | s/patitude/aptitude (sorry) |
| 09:47.46 | babilen | heraclitus_: If it wasn't clear: substiture "pkg" with the package name in question |
| 09:47.49 | inklesspen | themill: i can't, because I don't run sid |
| 09:47.53 | Swistaczek | Having two interfaces I need to bind every service to one of them. Some of services I run have some troubles with that. How to set one of services to the default one? http://pastie.org/1059078.txt |
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| 09:48.01 | Swistaczek | So I don't need to bind services to it anymore. |
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| 09:48.32 | themill | inklesspen: please take a break from #debian so that you can digest what you've been told and use that time to work out how to install that package from sid. |
| 09:48.34 | EugenMayer | hello. Which mirrors can i use for etch? |
| 09:48.42 | themill | dpkg: tell EugenMayer about etch sources.list |
| 09:48.48 | rgr | inklesspen: you can install from multiple versions. google. |
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| 09:49.08 | SineDeviance | hi all. i have been using debian-based distros such as ubuntu and dreamlinux. ubuntu has become too bloated and slow for my tastes, and dreamlinux isn't exactly stable. so i want to take a shot at debian. how scary is it? |
| 09:49.11 | themill | EugenMayer: but realise that you're well past EOL on etch here.... you really should have upgraded to lenny 6 months ago |
| 09:49.33 | EugenMayer | themill: i have 25 lenny servers :) |
| 09:49.42 | gnarface | SineDeviance: learn to use a terminal and you'll be fine |
| 09:49.43 | hid3 | SineDeviance: get yourself debian and enjoy it. Forget all those aftermarket distros |
| 09:49.49 | EugenMayer | themill: all of my servers are lenny - just one of my colluge is eatch :) |
| 09:49.59 | SineDeviance | gnarface: i can use a terminal, that doesn't bother me. but thanks. |
| 09:50.05 | babilen | SineDeviance: Not at all. You might want to read the installation guide and the reference to guide you. "/msg dpkg ig" and "/msg dpkg reference" -- If you have problems/question do not hesitate to ask |
| 09:50.06 | SineDeviance | hid3: will do. |
| 09:50.11 | Posterdati | I put .sh files for variables initialization under /etc/profile.d but it seems the aren't executed |
| 09:50.20 | SineDeviance | babilen: thank you! |
| 09:50.25 | heraclitus_ | babilen, i have always had non-free in sources list, though it may be that the finland repository which i use doesn't have most of the non-free... i did aptitude update a few times when i changed the repository, but i don't remember whether i did that with that german repository from where i finally manually downloaded the packages... |
| 09:50.27 | gnarface | SineDeviance: then you should be fine. |
| 09:50.37 | SineDeviance | i have one more question -- how is ATI support for the latest cards these days? i have a radeon HD5850. |
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| 09:50.58 | streuner_ | SineDeviance: just use google |
| 09:51.01 | babilen | heraclitus_: If you want help in debugging that issue you have to paste the output of the commands i mentioned |
| 09:51.13 | SineDeviance | streuner_: i'm asking about in debian specifically. |
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| 09:51.56 | SineDeviance | i know ATI support in linux as a whole isn't great. but if it's going to take many hours of work to get my ATI card working properly in debian it might be a dealbreaker. that's the only reason i am asking. |
| 09:51.58 | streuner_ | SineDeviance: well, just add "Debian" to your search foo, groups.google.com is helpful too |
| 09:52.11 | SineDeviance | streuner_: okay, i will, thanks. |
| 09:52.45 | streuner_ | SineDeviance: if 1200x800 is ok, just use VESA in case of headaches |
| 09:52.54 | gnarface | SineDeviance: if you can edit an xorg.conf successfully by hand you should have no more trouble with ATI (or any other video card) in Debian than Ubuntu |
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| 09:53.07 | SineDeviance | streuner_: can't do that, i have a 25" 1920x1080 LCD monitor :D |
| 09:53.13 | streuner_ | ok |
| 09:53.47 | SineDeviance | gnarface: okay. i have a single monitor setup so it probably won't be too difficult then. thanks. |
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| 09:54.54 | SineDeviance | oh and one more question. debian lenny is the suggested version these days? |
| 09:54.59 | babilen | SineDeviance: yes |
| 09:55.08 | SineDeviance | babilen: thanks! |
| 09:55.11 | SineDeviance | downloads |
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| 09:55.35 | heraclitus_ | babilen, i already installed the packages manually, so i have to uninstall everything again to try that... thank you for advice though, aptitude update and apt-cache policy. still, the problem remains, several repositories seem to not have most of the non-free, and this cause confusion... |
| 09:55.38 | babilen | SineDeviance: You might want to download the "netinstall" image if you have a working internet connection during the install |
| 09:55.46 | babilen | !tell SineDeviance -about netinst |
| 09:55.54 | gnarface | SineDeviance: personally, i'd always install stable (currently lenny) but with some bleeding edge-hardware i've had better luck immediately upgrading to unstable (probably sid for a long time) afterwards |
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| 09:56.02 | babilen | SineDeviance: Which leads me to the question: How do you connect to the internet? |
| 09:56.55 | SineDeviance | babilen: gigabit ethernet on a gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 board. i'm running a core i3-530. might be bleeding edge hardware. |
| 09:57.11 | babilen | heraclitus_: That might be a problem with the mirrors - But more information is needed if you want to debug that issue. |
| 09:57.32 | streuner_ | he ment what kind of ISP do you use, cable, dialup or DSL via router... |
| 09:57.39 | SineDeviance | babilen: the NIC is a realtek GBE running on the PCI-E bus |
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| 09:58.10 | babilen | SineDeviance: That shouldn't be a problem ... You *might* need a newer kernel or firmware for your NIC, but just try the Lenny netinstall image for now (burn to RW blank) :) |
| 09:58.26 | rgr | supergrub disk just hangs when told to read the existing grub2 cfg file. looks like that update has murdered my dev ws. |
| 09:58.35 | gnarface | SineDeviance: if lenny netinstall fails you there are... other ways |
| 09:58.44 | SineDeviance | babilen: can i do it from USB instead? i don't have any R/W's unfortunately and i don't want to burn a coaster if at all possible :D |
| 09:59.14 | gnarface | SineDeviance: USB is an option as long as your motherboard supports booting from USB |
| 09:59.26 | SineDeviance | gnarface: cool, then. thanks. |
| 09:59.26 | gnarface | (common with new hardware, thankfully) |
| 09:59.54 | babilen | SineDeviance: Yes, but installation from USB is more complicated than from CD and your BIOS needs to support it. Give me a second, i'll try to find some hardware specs for your mainboard (or in particular your NIC) |
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| 10:00.03 | SineDeviance | yeah i actually have an MSI PM8M-V socket 478 mainboard running a pentium 4 that supports booting from usb. it's odd considering that's from, like, 2003. |
| 10:00.26 | SineDeviance | babilen: it supports it. i installed win7 ultimate x64 from usb on this machine. |
| 10:01.14 | heraclitus_ | babilen, yes i understand... i think i would debug that issue sometimes later, when i again have to mess with that non-free... because i consider that important, non-free is not something without which one can do, it is necessary for the most common devices, because of these proprietary pieces of binary code, i guess... |
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| 10:01.57 | babilen | heraclitus_: yes. Come back if you need help :) |
| 10:02.22 | SineDeviance | should i stick with x86 or go for amd64? |
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| 10:04.19 | gnarface | SineDeviance: amd64, balls to the wall!! |
| 10:04.38 | SineDeviance | gnarface: so amd64 support for things like flashplayer and such is good in debian? |
| 10:04.50 | gnarface | SineDeviance: for everything BUT flash player it's good |
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| 10:05.05 | SineDeviance | gnarface: for flashplayer i have to install a 32bit chroot? |
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| 10:06.55 | babilen | SineDeviance: No, you can install packages from debian-multimedia that are packaged with a 32bit plugin wrapper |
| 10:07.09 | SineDeviance | babilen: oh, perfect. so it's easy then. |
| 10:07.25 | SineDeviance | i guess debian-multimedia is the restricted codecs set? |
| 10:07.28 | rgr | anyone with a log there (my client has chopped it). What two commands did danboid say I must run grub-install and? |
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| 10:07.55 | babilen | SineDeviance: You NIC is a realtek RTL8111D -- i'm trying to find some information about that chip, but it seems to be supported by the lenny installer (or rather: kernel) ... |
| 10:08.02 | babilen | !tell SineDeviance -about dmm |
| 10:08.13 | heraclitus_ | babilen, somehow it happened that i had to solve all that myself, the help which i got here did not really help... that is, no one said that it is the non-free issue, and that i have to install this firmware-linux-nonfree, package... |
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| 10:08.38 | rudi_s | < danboid> rgr: burn/boot that, choose the first option it gives you and it should find and boot your existing grub. Ten once booted you need to update-grub2 then grub-install as root, basically |
| 10:08.47 | rudi_s | rgr: ^ I hope that's it. |
| 10:08.55 | SineDeviance | babilen: awesome, thanks for all that. i'll go ahead and do it. |
| 10:09.09 | babilen | SineDeviance: Back in a second -- Try to get some information about your NIC and about USB install. "/msg dpkg usb install", good luck! |
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| 10:09.35 | SineDeviance | babilen: thanks again |
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| 10:10.16 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you can also get your hands on the (discontinued) alpha version of flash for 64-bit linux |
| 10:10.44 | gnarface | it works better than the 32 bit wrapper (which mostly works for almost nobody) but is rumored to have security flaws :( |
| 10:11.15 | SineDeviance | gnarface: eh, it's okay. i won't be using flash much on linux anyways. i've got windows as a backup if i need it that bad. |
| 10:12.04 | rgr | rudi_s: thx. actually dpkg-reconfigure grub-px did it. had to select all devices so grub was installed on all drives. goddam it. |
| 10:12.09 | rgr | grub-pc |
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| 10:14.08 | gnarface | SineDeviance: 32-bit linux will work on amd64 hardware because amd64 hardware is magical, but i'd stick with 64-bit on principle alone, however you will have the ability to address a lot more RAM if you go with 64-bit |
| 10:14.36 | SineDeviance | gnarface: yeah, i have 4gb of RAM and a 1gb GPU so it's kind of necessary |
| 10:16.20 | EugenMayer | are there any interestin / handy firewall tools for debian. currently i use a shell script for IPtables but in times you kind of having troubles having the overview. Any nice additions here? |
| 10:16.32 | gnarface | SineDeviance: if you install amd64 you can also always set up a 32-bit chroot for running anything that's not 64-bit compatible yet, however there's pretty much nothing except that damned flash plugin. |
| 10:16.53 | SineDeviance | if i am preparing a usb stick from windows with win32-image-writer, do i need to download an iso, or just the boot.img.gz? |
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| 10:17.10 | gnarface | SineDeviance: out of my area of expertise |
| 10:17.12 | SineDeviance | gnarface: in that case i'll just go amd64 and not worry about it |
| 10:17.18 | gnarface | hasn't used windows in about 10 years |
| 10:17.19 | SineDeviance | gnarface: no problem, thanks |
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| 10:17.58 | rgr | i found 64 bit to be considerably slower and use a lot more memory on top of the incompatabilities and glitches. horses for courses. 32 bit runs well on 64 bit hw. |
| 10:18.43 | e-future | So one should use i686 instead of amd64? |
| 10:18.48 | gnarface | rgr: i found there to be a slightly increased latency but the performance issue to be largely illusionary |
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| 10:19.22 | heraclitus_ | babilen, also, by default debian seems to use wrong drivers... it used radeon for hd 4350, while only radeonhd worked with that device, and i had to add it manually to xorg.conf... my gut feeling says that this also is somehow related to that non-free issue... |
| 10:19.25 | rgr | I just see zero reason for 64 bit unless you really really need more than 4 gigs. who does? |
| 10:19.27 | SineDeviance | i would run 32bit but i kinda have to go amd64 because of my RAM and VRAM |
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| 10:19.46 | pallgone | how to detect missing firmware in squeeze? |
| 10:20.07 | gnarface | ie, in some cases it SEEMS to run slower because of some slightly increased latencies in conspicuous areas but the overall number crunching capabilities are much improved |
| 10:20.22 | SineDeviance | well, it's time |
| 10:20.22 | Arrowmaster | SineDeviance: you can use over 4gb of ram on 32bit, that is a windows desktop limitation only, even server versions of windows arent effected by it |
| 10:20.34 | SineDeviance | Arrowmaster: what, really? |
| 10:20.50 | SineDeviance | i thought 32bit could only address 4GB of total memory in the system? |
| 10:20.58 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: isn't that code still experimental in the kernel though? |
| 10:21.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:21.14 | gnarface | since when? |
| 10:21.24 | moldovean | heraclitus_, /msh dpkg radeonhd |
| 10:21.38 | SineDeviance | well, i'll try amd64 first, and if it's slow or i don't like it, i'll check out 32bit |
| 10:21.47 | SineDeviance | i'm gonna boot the install now |
| 10:21.48 | SineDeviance | bbl |
| 10:22.18 | moldovean | heraclitus_, /msg* , sry |
| 10:22.29 | gnarface | pallgone: missing firmware for what? |
| 10:23.04 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: seriously, when did it become stable? i haven't looked in a while |
| 10:23.25 | Arrowmaster | "The Linux kernel includes full PAE mode support starting with version 2.3.23,[5] enabling access of up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit machines. A PAE-enabled Linux-kernel requires that the CPU also support PAE. As of 2009[update][citation needed], many common Linux distributions have started to use a PAE-enabled kernel as the distribution-specific default[6] because it adds the NX bit [7]." |
| 10:23.32 | Arrowmaster | from wiki |
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| 10:23.42 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, both radeon and radeonhd are for hd 4350 |
| 10:23.47 | gnarface | last year? |
| 10:23.55 | pallgone | gnarface: well, the installer detects missing firmware, can I do the same from a running system? so it will tell me if I have devices that need something? |
| 10:24.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it was unstable |
| 10:24.10 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: how rare is PAE support? that's not the type of thing p4 systems have, for example, is it? |
| 10:24.25 | Arrowmaster | its been used since the p1 |
| 10:24.26 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, this is why the system chose radeon by default... |
| 10:24.30 | gnarface | what? |
| 10:24.36 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: seriously?! |
| 10:24.42 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 10:24.53 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: motherboards didn't support even 1GB of ram back then though... |
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| 10:25.42 | SineDeviance | hey guys. well, the netinstall couldn't find my ethernet card |
| 10:25.51 | SineDeviance | so i guess a cd install is in my future |
| 10:25.52 | moldovean | heraclitus_, bot say radeonhd is only for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and (since version 1.2.2) R7xx family of chipsets. |
| 10:26.09 | dukebody | hey, I'm trying to use empathy, but edit -> accounts (or F4) doesn't show any dialog. |
| 10:26.22 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you got two choices now. CD install then manually copy in a newer net driver package and upgrade, or else just try the unstable installer and hope for the best |
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| 10:26.50 | dukebody | empathy-accounts in the command line doesn't show anything either |
| 10:26.57 | gnarface | pallgone: did you add the contrib and non-free stuff as well? most the firmwares are in non-free |
| 10:26.57 | SineDeviance | gnarface: i have some usb wifi cards that are relatively old. i can use them to update to a newer kernel once the system is up and running |
| 10:27.23 | dukebody | (but edit → preferences works) |
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| 10:27.51 | SineDeviance | i don't know if it'd work from the installers though, the installer could not enumerate my USB bus |
| 10:27.57 | SineDeviance | which... i find very odd. |
| 10:28.13 | gnarface | SineDeviance: lenny is getting fairly old |
| 10:28.33 | moldovean | SineDeviance, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 10:29.05 | hello | hiya |
| 10:29.21 | gnarface | hello, hello you finished reading that book? |
| 10:29.23 | SineDeviance | moldovean: that might be just what i need. those releases are stable, i take it? |
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| 10:29.32 | fxiny | maybe lenny is old but the hardware industry guv is on crack |
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| 10:29.36 | hello | no,not yet |
| 10:29.45 | moldovean | SineDeviance, yes |
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| 10:30.05 | gnarface | hello: you'll like it.... |
| 10:30.05 | SineDeviance | moldovean: i will try them, then. thanks! |
| 10:30.10 | moldovean | yw |
| 10:30.15 | hello | yes |
| 10:30.34 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, yes but the driver log message says otherwise, and radeonhd was the only one with which it worked, i mean, enabled software acceleration, with radeon there was no acceleration (error in log file when starting acceleration or such)... |
| 10:31.12 | moldovean | cool |
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| 10:33.38 | SineDeviance | on to the second try |
| 10:33.39 | SineDeviance | bbl |
| 10:33.40 | frikinz | How does one handle multiple network profiles if I'm using only /etc/network/interfaces? Including different WPA keys. |
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| 10:34.43 | babilen | frikinz: You want to connect simoultaneously to two different wlans? |
| 10:36.02 | gnarface | babilen: i think he wants to connect NON-simultaneously to two different wlans. |
| 10:36.13 | frikinz | babilen: I want debian to discover on which network it is and configure appropriatly. I partially remember the "map" keyword in interfaces, just not sure if it works also with wpa keys. |
| 10:36.29 | gnarface | babilen: aka roaming laptop mode, like OS X has |
| 10:36.40 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, in the next few years i would also find out how to enable hardware acceleration... if i have any hope that this can be done without firmware driver or such... |
| 10:36.42 | babilen | frikinz: Take a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz and read the section on "roaming" |
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| 10:36.45 | frikinz | and it's quite some time ago I was using this , so maybe there's something new. |
| 10:37.03 | SineDeviance | well, that didn't work either |
| 10:37.19 | SineDeviance | still couldn't detect my ethernet card. or the usb wireless card. |
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| 10:38.22 | frikinz | babilen: thanks, looking at it. |
| 10:38.54 | SineDeviance | so... what other options do i have? |
| 10:39.00 | gnarface | SineDeviance: though there is a chance that there aren't any linux drivers for your ethernet card, try the unstable installer next |
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| 10:39.11 | SineDeviance | gnarface: okay |
| 10:39.20 | gnarface | SineDeviance: aren't any drivers YET i should say |
| 10:39.36 | gnarface | SineDeviance: full CD download then install won't require ethernet drivers, so that would be your last option |
| 10:39.37 | SineDeviance | gnarface: right. i do have another usb wifi card i want to try real quick. |
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| 10:39.49 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, the scrolling and playing videos works fine with software acceleration, though, and this is the only thing which i really need... but with this terribly slow scrolling it was almost impossible to use the computer... |
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| 10:40.00 | gnarface | SineDeviance: an alternate network adapter would be an ideal solution at this point |
| 10:40.16 | moldovean | heraclitus_, /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 10:41.01 | SineDeviance | gnarface: i know, but i don't have any pci ethernet cards right now. |
| 10:41.04 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 10:41.50 | gnarface | SineDeviance: i have lost count of the times that a 19$ linksys realtek (tulip driver) card has saved my ass in these cases |
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| 10:43.05 | dutchfish | gnarface: add to that an elcheapo wireless bridge, and you are all set ;) |
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| 10:43.23 | gnarface | dutchfish: don't be a hater :-p |
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| 10:44.24 | gnarface | just because cisco is evil and bought out linksys doesn't mean that linksys wasn't ONCE the underpriced underdog of advanced home networking |
| 10:44.29 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 10:44.31 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 10:44.55 | gnarface | the tulip driver itself however, is THE SHIT |
| 10:45.20 | gnarface | there are better tulip cards than those linksys ones, they're just the easiest to buy retail these days |
| 10:46.25 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, ohh, this fglrx is the proprietary driver... now i know what it is... but i prefer non-proprietary, in fact i prefer free, but non-free is inevitable because of these proprietary pieces of binary code i guess... |
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| 10:47.13 | gnarface | heraclitus_: if you want a decent gaming/3d rendering experience with ATI or Nvidia cards you're pretty much doomed to polluting your install with proprietary binary gunk |
| 10:47.28 | gnarface | prays for a brighter future though |
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| 10:47.47 | dutchfish | gnarface: well, the future might already be there in testing ;) |
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| 10:49.03 | babilen | SineDeviance: Hmm, I see a bunch of bug reports that mention your NIC and problems with its power safe mode. What have you tried so far? |
| 10:49.25 | SineDeviance | babilen: i haven't run linux on this system yet. i just built it last week. |
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| 10:49.55 | gnarface | babilen: you thinking bios-disable of power safe mode might be the trick? |
| 10:50.05 | SineDeviance | babilen: so far i've tried the debian usb install image. it can't detect any ethernet card, even if i plug in a known-linux-compatible usb wifi card. |
| 10:50.12 | SineDeviance | my guess is that it cannot enumerate my USB bus |
| 10:50.18 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, i want a decent work experience, i almost don't play games at all and don't need graphics card for that... but all the graphics card they sell are either radeon or geforce, at least there are no other ones in the shop where i buy... |
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| 10:50.54 | SineDeviance | heraclitus_: then get the oldest, cheapest nvidia card you can buy. FX 5200's are great for linux. |
| 10:51.03 | gnarface | heraclitus_: you haven't tried the open source ati driver? |
| 10:51.09 | SineDeviance | some even support dual monitor setups |
| 10:51.38 | gnarface | SineDeviance: Nvidia's linux drivers are GOOD these days. not debian package or license friendly, but otherwise very compatible |
| 10:52.10 | gnarface | plus, unlike nv, you get 3d hardware accel and a good amount of directx 10 support through wine |
| 10:52.18 | SineDeviance | gnarface: exactly. and their drivers are even better for the older cards. nvidia-96 for FX series cards work excellent. |
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| 10:52.40 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, no, is there one for debian? |
| 10:53.04 | gnarface | heraclitus_: there are more than one. |
| 10:53.18 | gnarface | which card did you say you had heraclitus_ ? |
| 10:53.20 | SineDeviance | i wonder if the ethernet card works in ubuntu 10.04. let me boot the livecd and find out real fast |
| 10:53.24 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 10:53.43 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, ok, thanks, i search... i have radeon hd 4350 |
| 10:54.21 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, also called rv710 ... |
| 10:54.57 | moldovean | heraclitus_, lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 10:55.28 | moldovean | put only [xxxx:yyyy] here |
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| 10:55.57 | heraclitus_ | moldovean, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] [1002:954f] |
| 10:56.06 | X-Raimo | what's kernel package name in backports? |
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| 10:56.21 | moldovean | , pciid 1002:954f |
| 10:56.22 | judd | [1002:954f] is 'RV710 [Radeon HD 4350]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:954f http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
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| 10:57.31 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, this is a newer card i know, but the other problem is that they also don't almost sell the old cards, all they sell are new radeon and geforce cards, so one has no choice... |
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| 10:58.26 | SineDeviance | well THAT was an epic fail |
| 10:58.46 | SineDeviance | i booted ubuntu 10.04 live and once it hit the desktop my monitor got no signal |
| 10:59.29 | gnarface | SineDeviance: sounds like almost success to me :-D |
| 10:59.34 | SineDeviance | i guess linux on this machine is just not in my future |
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| 10:59.50 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you cut yourself on the bleeding edge. don't be a pussy |
| 11:00.07 | SineDeviance | gnarface: linux is supposed to be bleeding edge ;) |
| 11:00.17 | SineDeviance | well, mostlu. |
| 11:00.21 | SineDeviance | mostly* even. |
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| 11:01.30 | gnarface | SineDeviance: you got a spare pci slot and a spare (old, supported) ethernet card? i'd say put that in and boot it and live with it for now. in 2 weeks to 6 months there will surely be drivers for your other ethernet device |
| 11:01.50 | SineDeviance | gnarface: unfortunately i don't have one |
| 11:02.06 | gnarface | SineDeviance: how far do you live from the nearest Staples |
| 11:02.07 | SineDeviance | i'm gonna try booting the unstable installer next |
| 11:02.27 | gnarface | good luck |
| 11:03.16 | SineDeviance | thanks |
| 11:03.19 | gnarface | heraclitus_: i assume you're familiar with writing your own xorg.conf files? |
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| 11:03.52 | SineDeviance | the one i want is debian-testing, right? |
| 11:04.32 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, i don't know much more about xorg.conf files than i was able to change the driver... |
| 11:05.06 | gnarface | heraclitus_: which driver(s) did you try? |
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| 11:05.27 | gnarface | SineDeviance: no the unstable installer is sid |
| 11:05.42 | gnarface | SineDeviance: testing is BETWEEN stable and unstable. |
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| 11:06.01 | SineDeviance | gnarface: ahh, thanks for clarifying. where do i download sid? |
| 11:06.24 | themill | !install sid |
| 11:06.24 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. No, really. #debian does not normally support sid because if you are using sid, then you should be able to support yourself. Often, sid is not installable as it is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then "upgrade" to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>. |
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| 11:06.54 | SineDeviance | themill: i see |
| 11:07.00 | SineDeviance | well, thanks anyways all |
| 11:07.08 | gnarface | SineDeviance: don't worry about the disclaimer. you're brave. just download it and do it |
| 11:07.29 | SineDeviance | gnarface: can't upgrade to sid without internets :D |
| 11:07.32 | themill | SineDeviance: if the kmuto installer didn't work at all then it's unlikely that the squeeze alpha installer would either. |
| 11:07.51 | SineDeviance | themill: well the installer WORKED, it just couldn't find my ethernet card |
| 11:07.55 | gnarface | themill: isn't there a sid installer? |
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| 11:08.08 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, well, i just changed the xorg.conf file of my old card which was radeon x300 (burned out)... there was written ati, i changed it to radeonhd, without xorg.conf file it chose radeon... |
| 11:08.14 | themill | gnarface: no |
| 11:08.17 | SineDeviance | i was going to do a netinstall so that kinda mucks things up |
| 11:08.41 | themill | SineDeviance: the netinstall is self-contained. it doesn't require networking to complete the base install |
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| 11:09.31 | Yahav | does debian comes with Gnome as defalut? |
| 11:09.42 | SineDeviance | themill: ahh. i didn't realize that. it kept asking for a source ISO |
| 11:10.21 | themill | Yahav: The "desktop" task installs gnome, but you can install any other desktop (or not) just as easily. "/msg dpkg install kde" etc |
| 11:10.27 | SineDeviance | so... i could install the base, then maybe get a newer net package, then install gnome or whatever else |
| 11:10.53 | Yahav | themill: tnx |
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| 11:11.11 | Yahav | another thing is: does apt have some gui interface? |
| 11:11.12 | gnarface | SineDeviance: once you can get a working ethernet connection in by any means (hardware addition if necessary) you should be able to do ANYTHING |
| 11:11.20 | gnarface | and i mean ANYTHING |
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| 11:11.32 | themill | Yahav: aptitude, aptitude-gtk and synaptic are all interfaces for libapt. |
| 11:11.49 | amanita1 | Hi folks! |
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| 11:11.51 | SineDeviance | gnarface: yeah. i have USB wifi cards that are known working in linux. i use them on other systems just fine. i dont think the installer can work with them though |
| 11:12.03 | gnarface | heraclitus_: so you tried the open-source "radeon" and "radeonhd" drivers in xorg and neither worked? |
| 11:12.06 | SineDeviance | i think it needs an eth0 |
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| 11:12.21 | SineDeviance | well, let me take a crack at getting a base install |
| 11:12.22 | SineDeviance | bbl |
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| 11:12.49 | gnarface | SineDeviance: i've NEVER tried a USB network device so i go nothing for you there but those cards supported by the tulip driver rock.... |
| 11:13.35 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, radeon didn't accelerate at all, radeonhd enabled software acceleration, which in fact solved the problem (slow scrolling)... |
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| 11:14.57 | amanita1 | Any Xfce4 user here? |
| 11:15.21 | gnarface | heraclitus_: you try the flglx or whatever proprietary ati driver binary? |
| 11:15.29 | babilen | amanita1: #xfce definitely has a bunch of them :) |
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| 11:15.59 | amanita1 | Yeah, so how can I disable the "always on top" attribute on my Xfce panels? |
| 11:16.01 | heraclitus_ | gnarface, no, i prefer not to use proprietary ;) |
| 11:16.33 | gnarface | heraclitus_: with ATI and Nvidia cards it's often your only real option if you are interested in making full use of the available hardware features. i'm sorry :( |
| 11:17.10 | gnarface | heraclitus_: for a BRIEF time this was not true for ATI cards and the linux drivers were BETTER than the proprietary ones but that time was short and is long gone |
| 11:18.22 | babilen | heraclitus_: Which Debian release are you tracking? Newer xserver-xorg-video-radeon packages introduced a *LOT* of changes and your card might be well supported by it. That unfortunately entails that you "upgrade" to testing .... I concur that fglrx *might* be a better solution if you can live with proprietary software/drivers |
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| 11:18.55 | SineDeviance | i think i know what my problem was |
| 11:18.58 | gnarface | babilen: be fair. *might* == *probably* in this case |
| 11:19.00 | SineDeviance | bbl, gonna try again |
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| 11:19.09 | babilen | gnarface: yeah :) |
| 11:19.42 | cristi8 | hmm, i, as a user that created a file, can't change the group of that file?? |
| 11:19.52 | gnarface | around like... 2001-2003 (?) i think there were a string of ATI cards where the linux drivers fully supported all hardware accel features and were faster. |
| 11:20.01 | gnarface | but that's... ancient history now |
| 11:20.14 | gnarface | cristi8: be root or own the file |
| 11:20.24 | cristi8 | i do own the file |
| 11:20.49 | cristi8 | hmm, but as i see i'm not part of the target group |
| 11:20.49 | gnarface | cristi8: how sure are you of that? |
| 11:20.54 | RichiH | something is blocking my audio device and i don't know what... when i run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp i get zsh: device or resource busy: /dev/dsp |
| 11:20.55 | babilen | cristi8: which rights do you have? do you use acls? |
| 11:21.05 | RichiH | yet, lsof comes up empty |
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| 11:21.13 | RichiH | what's hogging my sound? |
| 11:21.24 | themill | dpkg: tell RichiH about list alsa users |
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| 11:21.41 | cristi8 | i am working in /var/www, created some files and want to change group to www-data, and make them g+r, but o-r, so that other users can't reat the web files |
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| 11:22.15 | cristi8 | i can also become root.. should i add my user to www-data? does this comes with a security issue? |
| 11:22.25 | gnarface | RichiH: add yourself to the audio group then log out completely and log back in then try again |
| 11:23.19 | gnarface | RichiH: if your card doesn't support hardware muxing (most don't) then you'll also need to shut off all other sound, including sound effects in your window manager (on by default in KDE and most others, i think) |
| 11:23.20 | themill | RichiH: btw the usual culprit there is flash.... |
| 11:23.29 | babilen | cristi8: Please create a paste that exemplifies your problem. Make use of "ls -l" "whoami" "getfacl" "chown" "chmod" |
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| 11:24.06 | heraclitus_ | babilen, i use testing, should be squeeze then... the proprietary inevitably wins because it is i a better position... the only things which can change that, are government regulations, or a total rebellion by people... |
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| 11:24.26 | babilen | heraclitus_: I vote for the latter :) |
| 11:24.36 | heraclitus_ | hehe |
| 11:25.23 | cristi8 | babilen: my initial problem is solved. i can see that i can't change a file's group to a group that i'm not member of. my new question is "should i make my user member of the group www-data? is it safe? or what would be a common practice for users that create pages in /var/www ?" |
| 11:25.28 | RichiH | gnarface: i am in the audio group; is there a list of cards that support hardware mixing? |
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| 11:25.46 | moldovean | why free software don't do hardware too ? |
| 11:26.02 | RichiH | themill: flash, eh? then i am really happy that chromium is too retarded to start flash in its own subprocess like khtml has done for years |
| 11:26.07 | RichiH | rants a bot |
| 11:26.09 | RichiH | bit |
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| 11:27.31 | RichiH | seems speech-dispatcher is at least partially at fault. whyever that was isntalled |
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| 11:27.40 | gnarface | RichiH: probably somehwere but i dont' know of it. i know most creative labs "live" series cards DO, i know most others DON"T |
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| 11:28.27 | Arafangion | RichiH: I would assume that's because it's (potentially) more problematic given that chrome starts tabs in their own process, more or less. |
| 11:28.43 | Arafangion | RichiH: Plus, flash is integrated into chrome. |
| 11:29.16 | RichiH | Arafangion: there is no reason why it could not spawn a subprocess per flash instance or at least per tab |
| 11:29.35 | RichiH | Arafangion: i blame apple for kicking the feature out of webkit |
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| 11:34.17 | dutchfish | for those want to expiriment http://packages.debian.org/experimental/lightspark |
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| 11:35.19 | oshim | is there anyone who know about squid authentication with openldap |
| 11:36.01 | RichiH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577217 -- seems i need to upgrade |
| 11:36.06 | M2_807705 | hi all, I'm newbie to debian, just installed it on my old ThinkPad 765D Intel Pentium MMX 166 MHz CPU, Trident Cyber9385 video controller with 2MB 1024x768 resolution , 64MB RAM, 3.0GB HDD, have managed to get internet working, but can not get Midnight Commander (MC) to install, if I issue # sudo aptitude install mc no MC is installed :( |
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| 11:36.34 | RichiH | M2_807705: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 11:36.38 | RichiH | then, pastebin it |
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| 11:37.29 | M2_807705 | Could not find package pastebinit |
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| 11:38.03 | M2_807705 | sorry E: Couldn't find package pastebinit |
| 11:38.07 | RichiH | what falvour did you install? |
| 11:38.14 | RichiH | flavour* |
| 11:38.35 | RichiH | lenny has it, so you must have installed etch or older |
| 11:38.53 | M2_807705 | I have 4.0 R7 Etch |
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| 11:39.14 | M2_807705 | I did not thin I can get Lenny working on that machnie |
| 11:39.23 | RichiH | k. you're aware that you will not get security updates for that? |
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| 11:39.42 | RichiH | well, i am running squeeze on a machine with 128 mb ram |
| 11:39.53 | RichiH | i am ircing from it, right now |
| 11:40.03 | M2_807705 | Nope, but I just want to get into Linux sick of windows, so its my starter point ;) |
| 11:40.07 | RichiH | as long as you stick to a shell, lenny should be fine |
| 11:40.17 | sprink | I can't seem to find any documentation on the standard procedure for manually installing bin packages that don't come with a installer |
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| 11:40.29 | fxiny | to a shell or to a tiling window manager |
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| 11:40.53 | RichiH | sprink: if they are pre-compiled binaries, copy them into /usr/local/bin and hope for the best |
| 11:41.08 | M2_807705 | is there no way to download it fom net and then install it? |
| 11:41.11 | amanita1 | sprink: browse the .deb in Midnight commander, tap enter, and install it |
| 11:41.16 | RichiH | M2_807705: did you edit your sources.list to point to archive.debian.org? |
| 11:41.19 | RichiH | !etch |
| 11:41.20 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 11:41.33 | fxiny | wasn't mc removed form etch ? |
| 11:41.54 | fxiny | iirc i had it on hold from sarge |
| 11:42.11 | sprink | RichiH: What if they use libraries or config files included in their directory that I've untared, can I just put the hole dir in /usr/local/bin? |
| 11:42.12 | amanita1 | or go to the dir where the deb is and do: aptitude install <debname> |
| 11:42.28 | oshim | how can i squid integration with OpenLDAP |
| 11:42.41 | sprink | amanita1: theres no .deb. it's a profile with no installer. like I said |
| 11:42.43 | RichiH | sprink: in that case, assuming the program is called foo, i would just create /usr/local/foo and stick it in there |
| 11:42.55 | RichiH | i.e. /usr/local/foo/etc, /usr/local/foo/bin, /usr/local/foo/usr etc |
| 11:43.11 | sprink | RichiH: k thanks |
| 11:43.12 | RichiH | that way, you can remove /usr/local/foo/ and get rid of everything |
| 11:43.24 | RichiH | and all at the cost of a symlink into /usr/local/bin |
| 11:43.31 | M2_807705 | RichiH: I did not, just installed it and managed to get networking working after a month ;) |
| 11:43.34 | RichiH | or editing $PATH |
| 11:43.41 | sprink | RichiH: oh symlink.. right ty :) |
| 11:43.51 | RichiH | M2_807705: determination is good |
| 11:44.15 | RichiH | M2_807705: as a side note, you are aware of linux live cds such as grml and knoppix? |
| 11:44.38 | RichiH | you can boot them on a new pc without any damage to installed systems |
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| 11:45.08 | dutchfish | hola, to this mc should be there http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mc.html but as you can see its not http://packages.debian.org/source/oldstable/mc |
| 11:45.27 | M2_807705 | RichiH: I am, I have tried them on my LatitudeD830 and D420, but video did not work, so first I want to get used to CLI and then ..... |
| 11:45.41 | RichiH | http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList & http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/ |
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| 11:46.12 | M2_807705 | so I had old machine collecting dust with w2k on it |
| 11:46.15 | themill | dutchfish: etch is no longer reported by packages.d.o |
| 11:46.21 | RichiH | M2_807705: long story short, you want to replace "{ftp,http}://$foo.debian.org" with http://archive.debian.org |
| 11:46.24 | SparFux | thewanderer1: where can I read about this loopback device bug in 2.6.35-rc5? |
| 11:46.27 | RichiH | then apt-get update |
| 11:46.29 | dutchfish | themill: ah ok, good to know, thank you |
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| 11:46.57 | SineDeviance|LT | hey guy |
| 11:47.09 | SineDeviance|LT | guys* i figured out my problem |
| 11:47.23 | SineDeviance|LT | debian is now installing happily from the interwebs |
| 11:47.41 | RichiH | M2_807705: you can try ytree as well, btw |
| 11:48.04 | RichiH | xtree gold is what norton commander was modelled after |
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| 11:48.17 | RichiH | $deity, i feel old |
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| 11:48.27 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-nfs/msg13705.html |
| 11:48.35 | SparFux | thx |
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| 11:49.38 | M2_807705 | RichiH: so how do I replace "{ftp,http}://$foo.debian.org" with http://archive.debian.org what do I have to type in CLI |
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| 11:49.52 | fxiny | dutchfish: not in old stable ? so i'm right |
| 11:50.03 | cristi8 | hi, can i use something that newly created files and dirs have the group set to the group of parent directory if it's possible? |
| 11:50.04 | SineDeviance|LT | if i selected desktop environment / standard system in the installer, i am going to end up with gnome, right? |
| 11:50.06 | dutchfish | fxiny: it is in oldstable |
| 11:50.12 | SparFux | thewanderer1: you said they occurred in rc5 first. |
| 11:50.27 | dutchfish | fxiny: mc 1:4.6.1-6 |
| 11:50.57 | RichiH | M2_807705: sec, i will google the announcement |
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| 11:51.17 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: so I thought, people were reporting that in -rc5 I think |
| 11:51.19 | moldovean | , versions mc |
| 11:51.20 | judd | mc -- etch: 1:4.6.1-6; lenny: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4; sid: 3:4.7.0.6-1; squeeze: 3:4.7.0.6-1 |
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| 11:51.41 | fxiny | dutchfish: can't remeber then , there was something about mc in the past |
| 11:52.15 | fxiny | mc and gnome |
| 11:52.27 | dutchfish | fxiny: you are right with sarge, the was some .x release that had a block but it was solved later |
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| 11:52.43 | fxiny | dutchfish: ohhh tx a lot |
| 11:52.50 | hello | hiya |
| 11:53.45 | RichiH | hmm |
| 11:53.48 | RichiH | !etch source |
| 11:53.50 | RichiH | !etch sources |
| 11:54.13 | RichiH | !etch sources.list |
| 11:54.13 | dpkg | hmm... etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" But realise that etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 11:54.18 | RichiH | \o/ |
| 11:54.26 | RichiH | M2_807705: see above |
| 11:54.33 | Arafangion | RichiH: nc is *nothing like* xtree gold! |
| 11:54.40 | sprink | after making changes to ~/.profile I restarted the terminal and the changes havent went into effect |
| 11:54.43 | Arafangion | RichiH: (Although I am thinking of mc) |
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| 11:54.56 | RichiH | Arafangion: yes, but nc took a lot of ideas from it |
| 11:55.25 | RichiH | M2_807705: copy your old sources.list to sources.list.backup and enter the above, on two lines |
| 11:55.38 | Arafangion | RichiH: There are actual xtree-gold clones though, in linux, but the filesystem just doesn't quite match up to the DOS filesystem management. |
| 11:56.08 | RichiH | M2_807705: also, you want to install vim, gpm and whatever the terminus font for TTYs is called in etch |
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| 11:56.47 | RichiH | M2_807705: gpm is especially nice, giving you a mouse with copy & paste on the tty |
| 11:57.31 | M2_807705 | git clone git://midnight-commander.org/git/mc.git does not work either :( sais got: comand not found |
| 11:57.44 | Arafangion | !installit |
| 11:57.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:57.53 | RichiH | M2_807705: first do what i said above, then apt-get update, then try to install stuff |
| 11:58.14 | RichiH | !tell M2_807705 about search |
| 11:58.28 | RichiH | M2_807705: though packages.debian.org does not list etch stuff any more |
| 11:58.48 | RichiH | apt-file is especially useful |
| 11:59.18 | sprink | How do you make changes to the path variable in ~/.profile go into effect? |
| 11:59.56 | Arafangion | sprink: The best you can do is make the changes come into effect for the current shell, by sourcing it. "source ~/.profile". |
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| 12:00.06 | Arafangion | sprink: If that's not good enough, you need to log out, and log back in again. |
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| 12:00.29 | M2_807705 | ok, so would I be better of installing debian-505-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso on my old ThinkPad 765D Intel Pentium MMX 166 MHz CPU, Trident Cyber9385 video controller with 2MB 1024x768 resolution , 64MB RAM, 3.0GB HDD? |
| 12:01.10 | Arafangion | M2_807705: Take a backup first. |
| 12:01.13 | M2_807705 | problem I have is that my laptop does not boot from CD |
| 12:01.20 | Arafangion | M2_807705: One you know you can restore. |
| 12:01.36 | sprink | Arafangion: ty |
| 12:01.49 | sprink | Arafangion: I had to logout, source wasnt working |
| 12:02.14 | M2_807705 | have nothing to back up, its 1 month old install |
| 12:02.17 | amanita1 | Umm, what is the latest Debian? Lenny? |
| 12:02.37 | dutchfish | !stable |
| 12:02.38 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 12:02.45 | Arafangion | M2_807705: It's a month old and you're using Etch? |
| 12:03.50 | M2_807705 | Arafangion: couse I did not know how to install Lenny as it is not got dosutills on it and my old ThinkPAd can't boot from CD :( |
| 12:04.22 | Arafangion | M2_807705: Well, the upgrade path is fairly easy then, as long as you find an etch mirror. |
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| 12:04.46 | Arafangion | M2_807705: Wouldn't hurt to upgrade the kernel to the latest one in etch, too, for good measure. |
| 12:05.00 | amanita1 | is there a way to merge ubuntu repositories in debian lenny? |
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| 12:05.32 | M2_807705 | I have found etch ISO over here ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 12:05.39 | moldovean | M2_807705, wipe out the hard disk, and install it on other machine |
| 12:06.11 | bzed | amanita1: never do that. |
| 12:06.23 | moldovean | M2_807705, etch installer won't work with archive.debian.org .. |
| 12:06.26 | Arafangion | moldovean: Why not just do it as an upgrade? |
| 12:07.27 | Arafangion | amanita1: Debian and Ubuntu are similar only in that they both use apt to manage the repositories. THe packages themselves and probably even the apt version are all different. |
| 12:07.52 | M2_807705 | so new version of Midnight Commander 4.7.3 wont work on etch 4.0 R7? |
| 12:08.00 | amanita1 | Maybe I should install from sourceballs then. |
| 12:08.33 | Arafangion | amanita1: If you absolutely must mix the repositories, then that would be teh only way, but you will have issues. |
| 12:08.55 | Arafangion | amanita1: You may need to make your own .sdeb's first. |
| 12:08.56 | dutchfish | amanita1: why not use Debian? |
| 12:09.27 | amanita1 | dutchfish: I use Debian Lenny |
| 12:09.49 | amanita1 | dutchfish Just need to grab the latest gimp and inkscape |
| 12:10.05 | Arafangion | Why are you looking at ubunto for THAT? |
| 12:10.09 | dutchfish | amanita1: ah ok, i misread then i thought you want to mix debian on a ubuntu machine, but it is otherwise around |
| 12:10.26 | Arafangion | Ubuntu |
| 12:10.34 | dutchfish | amanita1: have you looked at bpo ? |
| 12:10.42 | amanita1 | bpo? |
| 12:10.47 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 12:10.47 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
| 12:11.15 | amanita1 | *whistle* |
| 12:11.24 | dutchfish | amanita1: that way you can relatively safe install newer versions of many packages |
| 12:12.05 | moldovean | , versions gimp |
| 12:12.05 | judd | gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.10-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1 |
| 12:12.21 | moldovean | , versions inkscape |
| 12:12.23 | judd | inkscape -- etch-security: 0.43-0.0etch1; etch: 0.44.1-1; lenny: 0.46-2.lenny2; sid: 0.47.0-2+b1; squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1 |
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| 12:12.50 | moldovean | amanita1, clener way is to move to squeeze |
| 12:12.52 | RichiH | M2_807705: for now, you should be fine using etch. but upgrading to lenny would be worthwhile, imo. |
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| 12:15.58 | SineDeviance | well, i'm in debian :D |
| 12:16.03 | M2_807705 | RichiH: I thin I stick to etch, so can latest version of MC 4.7.3 be installed on etch? OR is it like Windows, that some of the programs which used to work on Win98 do not work on XP situation? |
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| 12:17.17 | moldovean | M2_807705, - etch: 1:4.6.1-6; so no |
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| 12:18.30 | RichiH | M2_807705: depends(tm) |
| 12:18.30 | M2_807705 | moldovean: so I need to find MC version 1.4.6.1 to 6 for it to work on etch? |
| 12:18.39 | RichiH | M2_807705: there is backports.org which can help |
| 12:18.52 | RichiH | and also, you can just try to download a .deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 12:19.08 | RichiH | the beauty of debian is that it will check all dependencies for you |
| 12:19.13 | RichiH | so if it installs, it should run |
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| 12:19.28 | RichiH | i am not sure why you arte hell-bent on getting the newest mc, though |
| 12:19.46 | petemc | whilst also using an obsolete version of debian |
| 12:19.46 | moldovean | , versions mc |
| 12:19.47 | judd | mc -- etch: 1:4.6.1-6; lenny: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4; sid: 3:4.7.0.6-1; squeeze: 3:4.7.0.6-1 |
| 12:19.54 | RichiH | also, midnight commander is nice inasmuch it gives you a DOS feeling and reassures you |
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| 12:20.11 | RichiH | same as mcedit gives you a qedit.com feeling |
| 12:20.26 | RichiH | but both are crutches until you get to know your shell |
| 12:20.36 | RichiH | as the command line is a _lot_ faster than mc could ever be |
| 12:21.21 | RichiH | M2_807705: and while you are at it, give zsh a try. without a sane zshrc, it is next to useless, but with a sane one, it's _way_ better than anything bash could every aspire to be |
| 12:21.37 | moldovean | M2_807705, apt-get install mc, that's all |
| 12:21.40 | RichiH | for a load of zsh configs, give zshwiki.org a try |
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| 12:21.47 | M2_807705 | RichiH:did not know that latest version is not working on old distros, so when I could not get it to work, have looked aa their web site (MC) and thouoght maybe I need the latest version ;) |
| 12:22.15 | RichiH | M2_807705: no, you just need to fix the sources.list as per the instructions i gave you an hour ago and you are good to go ;) |
| 12:22.23 | RichiH | well, half an hour |
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| 12:22.32 | RichiH | !etch sources.list |
| 12:22.32 | dpkg | somebody said etch sources.list was "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" But realise that etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 12:23.31 | dutchfish | http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/m/mc/ |
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| 12:24.40 | quiritius | http://midnight-commander.org/ and compile it from source |
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| 12:25.53 | Anki | check out my desktop http://i29.tinypic.com/2zhmsmd.png tell me if u like it :) |
| 12:26.41 | moldovean | Anki, offtopic here |
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| 12:26.55 | hello | hehe |
| 12:27.37 | hello | what is alter to real teak audio driver in debian |
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| 12:28.05 | M2_807705 | RichiH: just trying to understand how it all works, when I issue apt-get install mc aI get response e: Packege mc has no installation candidate, that means that it is not on the install CD I have got in E drive, so in order to get it I need to change file which will tell apt to look for it on in http://www.backports.org/debian rather then on E drive, right? |
| 12:28.06 | hello | now its showing hda alsamixer in audio setting |
| 12:28.15 | SineDeviance | hey guys |
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| 12:29.13 | SineDeviance | i have installed the latest ATI catalyst driver. all seemed to go well. however, i have rebooted and now my resolution is correct but there's no acceleration whatsoever. dragging windows is a slideshow, for example, and compiz won't work |
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| 12:29.52 | dutchfish | M2_807705: you prolly have still the apt line in sources.list pointing to the cd or you have repo setup in the same file |
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| 12:30.45 | dutchfish | M2_807705: if i rem correctly in etch you needed to alter it and point it to an online repository |
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| 12:33.13 | dutchfish | M2_807705: once that works you can safely dismiss the line for the CD with an # in front |
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| 12:35.22 | M2_807705 | dutchfish: have just tried apt-get update and its point to cdrom (Ign cdrom://[Deain GNU/Linux 4.0 r7 _Etch_ - Officiaal i386 xfce-CD Binary-1 20000209-23:51] etch Release |
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| 12:36.33 | M2_807705 | dutchfish: so how do I change the apt-get update config file to point to http://www.backports.org/debian? |
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| 12:38.27 | moldovean | M2_807705, why backports ? you needs archive.debian.org |
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| 12:39.14 | M2_807705 | but some said that etch is not supported on archive.debian.org |
| 12:39.41 | moldovean | ? |
| 12:40.09 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.56 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 12:40.56 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 12:41.28 | Bushmills | etch = chiseling in stone age |
| 12:41.36 | tarkaram | Hi, is there a package to send SMSs from debian ? |
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| 12:41.51 | moldovean | Bushmills, ppls told him that >2 times already |
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| 12:42.31 | moldovean | dpkg, tell tarkara -about as |
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| 12:42.46 | Bushmills | oh, then a google link to "where can i learn to read" may be helpful |
| 12:43.29 | babilen | !tell tarkaram -about search |
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| 12:43.55 | babilen | tarkaram: Looks as if there are some. Haven't used any though and you have to try them yourself |
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| 12:46.53 | moldovean | tarkaram, smsclient - A program for sending short messages (SM / SMS) |
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| 12:47.27 | tarkaram | Thanks moldovean. |
| 12:47.42 | moldovean | np |
| 12:48.53 | RichiH | M2_807705: you need to add the two lines i told you about repeatedly |
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| 12:49.05 | RichiH | M2_807705: to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:49.24 | RichiH | then, run apt-get update |
| 12:49.43 | M2_807705 | RichiH: ok, just did not know where the sourcelist is located |
| 12:49.45 | RichiH | at which point, apt-get will know how & where to download stuff from the internet all by itself |
| 12:50.06 | RichiH | M2_807705: i told you right at the start ;) -- and if you don't know: ask |
| 12:50.19 | RichiH | better than running in a circle for an hour :p |
| 12:50.40 | M2_807705 | RichiH: thank you, ok, now I know I can do it logining into x windows, but how can I do it from CLI? |
| 12:51.15 | SparFux | Hi there. Can anybody please run this line and tell me, wether he gets lots of "connection refused" only or wether telnet client sometimes even "hangs" : C=1 ; while /bin/true ; do echo "try $C" ; telnet 127.0.0.1 ; ((C++)) ; done |
| 12:51.38 | babilen | tarkaram: There are more - have you search for "sms" ? |
| 12:52.44 | tarkaram | babilen: did an apt-cache as you suggested and smsclient was the closest match |
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| 12:54.25 | SineDeviance | does anyone know what i have to do to build fglrx for debian kmoto running kernel 2.6-32 amd64? i have installed the kernel headers. |
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| 12:54.48 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 12:54.55 | rindolf | How do I sync time using ntpd on Debian? |
| 12:55.17 | rindolf | Writing "ntpd" on the command line does not seem to do anything. |
| 12:55.56 | moldovean | SineDeviance, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 12:55.57 | RichiH | M2_807705: nano is an editor that should be installed |
| 12:56.06 | RichiH | and it's easy for people coming from dos/windows |
| 12:56.30 | dondelelcaro | rindolf: just install ntp; that's all you need to do |
| 12:56.42 | rindolf | dondelelcaro: it's already installed. |
| 12:56.49 | rindolf | dondelelcaro: I'm running Debian inside a VM. |
| 12:56.52 | dondelelcaro | rindolf: when it starts, it'll sync itself |
| 12:57.48 | dondelelcaro | rindolf: if you need to sync manually, it's ntpd -gd; or similar |
| 12:57.50 | RichiH | rindolf: if your offset is too large, you need to add -g to the OPTS in the init script |
| 12:58.07 | SineDeviance | moldovean: that's for a regular debian install. i used the kmuto install of lenny with the new kernel |
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| 12:58.13 | RichiH | rindolf: and some virtualization techniques made it impossible for a guest to keep its own time |
| 12:58.13 | rindolf | dondelelcaro: seems like /etc/init.d/ntp restart did the trick. Thanks. |
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| 12:58.21 | RichiH | for example, old xen used to do that |
| 12:58.23 | antgel | er, can anyone clarify on how jack managed to get so broken in squeeze? have looked for mailing list discussion but couldn't find anything useful |
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| 12:58.37 | Gomex | Hi |
| 12:58.43 | SineDeviance | moldovean: there is no fglrx-modules- package for my kernel in the repos |
| 12:58.47 | RichiH | rindolf: ntpq -p will tell you if you are synched |
| 12:59.11 | RichiH | all that being said, ntpd is a steaming pile of crap and you should use chrony, instead |
| 12:59.23 | RichiH | it's a lot more robust in my experience |
| 12:59.24 | Gomex | I am planning Debian Day from Salvador, Brazil |
| 12:59.30 | moldovean | SineDeviance, you run a "regular debian" aka lenny |
| 12:59.43 | RichiH | Gomex: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDayArtwork |
| 13:00.17 | RichiH | if you want posters, t-shirts or similar, that logo is pretty neat |
| 13:00.34 | moldovean | SineDeviance, needs to move to squeeze for that |
| 13:01.06 | SineDeviance | moldovean: all i really need is to download the fglrx stuff for the kernel i'm running |
| 13:01.10 | rindolf | Next question - assuming I have the CPAN module "One::Two" - how do I install the corresponding Debian package? This is similar to "perl(One::Two)" on Fedora/Mandriva. |
| 13:01.26 | SineDeviance | or, i could go to an older kernel |
| 13:01.39 | moldovean | SineDeviance, ah , no it's in lenny/non-free: |
| 13:01.52 | SineDeviance | i don't think my card is supported in the older kernels though |
| 13:02.07 | SineDeviance | moldovean: i already HAVE that repo in my sources.list. i'm using a new kernel. |
| 13:02.16 | SineDeviance | moldovean: as in, sid new. |
| 13:02.33 | SineDeviance | as such, my current debian install does not have the packages that match my kernel in the repos |
| 13:02.41 | SineDeviance | see what i'm doing now? |
| 13:02.50 | babilen | SineDeviance: You could/should now install a kernel from backports. "/msg dpkg bpo" -- that will get you kernel updates and other things (like fglrx-modules-) |
| 13:03.01 | antgel | rindolf: naming convention would be libone-two-perl |
| 13:03.12 | rindolf | antgel: not necessarily. |
| 13:03.18 | SineDeviance | babilen: now that might work. thanks! |
| 13:03.20 | antgel | rindolf: usually |
| 13:03.23 | Gomex | RichiH, Thanks, but my problem is: What activities we should put in this event? |
| 13:03.24 | rindolf | antgel: there can be several modules in one distribution. |
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| 13:03.56 | Gomex | RichiH, I am thinking make the event for hacker... |
| 13:03.59 | antgel | rindolf: oftc/#debian-perl :) |
| 13:04.13 | rindolf | antgel: I'm already there. |
| 13:05.52 | antgel | rindolf: also, bear in mind not all of the modules we are using are in debian yet - i have them packaged up and can create a debian-style repository for you to pick them up |
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| 13:07.52 | SineDeviance | babilen: hmm... still can't find the fglrx-module for my kernel. i'm running 2.6-32-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:08.18 | moldovean | SineDeviance, update it to lastest |
| 13:08.32 | SineDeviance | moldovean: system is up to date, according to apty |
| 13:08.34 | SineDeviance | apt* |
| 13:08.34 | moldovean | , kernels |
| 13:08.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc5-686 (2.6.35~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 13:09.07 | babilen | SineDeviance: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports ? |
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| 13:09.41 | SineDeviance | babilen: wait, i found it with synaptic |
| 13:10.32 | pif | hi, when compiling external modules, how do I tell 'make' in which kernel source directory to look for headers? |
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| 13:12.46 | babilen | SineDeviance: I can't really help you a lot with that because I happily use the free radeon driver ... :- |
| 13:13.04 | SineDeviance | babilen: i would but it won't work for me |
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| 13:16.18 | SineDeviance | brb |
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| 13:24.25 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day |
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| 13:26.09 | SineDeviance | hey guys. i can't get the module to build. it fails every time for both kernels. afaik i have everything i need installed |
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| 13:26.56 | babilen | How are you trying to build it? Can you paste error messages/applicable output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:27.04 | SineDeviance | babilen: sure |
| 13:28.04 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to transform any HTML page into a manpage? |
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| 13:28.26 | babilen | any? |
| 13:29.01 | thewanderer1 | yes, regardless of the official manpage standard |
| 13:29.27 | SineDeviance | brb |
| 13:29.36 | thewanderer1 | or perhaps find manpages for all PHP functions... |
| 13:29.42 | babilen | I think I don't quite understand what you are trying to do, as it escapes me how e.g. http://arxiv.org could be converted to a manpage |
| 13:30.06 | nsadmin | it's vaguely possible |
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| 13:30.20 | thewanderer1 | I'm thinking about simple, well-formed documents |
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| 13:30.35 | thewanderer1 | especially the PHP documentation in HTML |
| 13:30.45 | nsadmin | man pages have features that web pages don't |
| 13:30.49 | SineDeviance | babilen: http://debian.pastebin.com/gxMnNvk9 |
| 13:31.12 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, what features? I don't see any in my man browser |
| 13:31.15 | babilen | thewanderer1: Well, you would need a HTML → groff converter .. |
| 13:31.27 | nsadmin | like, they have clearly defined sections (SYNOPSIS, FILES, DESCRIPTION) |
| 13:32.08 | thewanderer1 | <h1></h1> |
| 13:32.23 | babilen | SineDeviance: Which driver package is that? Have you installed that from bpo? |
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| 13:32.30 | thewanderer1 | so you're saying this is not viable? |
| 13:32.40 | nsadmin | you can have man pages without those |
| 13:32.48 | nsadmin | I guess :) |
| 13:32.49 | SineDeviance | babilen: i guess they are whatever is newest in the repos |
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| 13:33.02 | nsadmin | what problem are you looking to solve? |
| 13:33.16 | babilen | SineDeviance: Which fglrx package did you install? fglrx-driver? fglrx-source" fglrx-dkms? |
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| 13:33.47 | SineDeviance | babilen: how about this. i'll apt-get remove fglrx* and you can tell me what i should install? |
| 13:33.50 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, the problem is I have to open a browser and type php.net/myfunction when I need the documentation - I get overhead and useless HTML elements |
| 13:34.33 | thewanderer1 | but in the end I think I'm going to set up an alias to open `links` with a file in /usr/share/doc/php-doc/ for me... |
| 13:35.32 | babilen | SineDeviance: Well - I would try fglrx-driver from bpo (aptitude -t lenny-backports install fglrx-driver) , fglrx-source or fglrx-modules-dkms and you would have to read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/fglrx-*/README.* -- I don't want to download those packages now and have very little experience with fglrx, so I'm not entirely sure how to install it |
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| 13:36.44 | babilen | thewanderer1: php-doc is not what you are looking for? |
| 13:36.45 | SineDeviance | brb |
| 13:37.07 | babilen | ,info php-doc |
| 13:37.09 | judd | php-doc (doc, optional): Documentation for PHP5. Version: 20081024-1; Size: 5096.1k; Installed: 53356k |
| 13:37.09 | thewanderer1 | babilen: yes, I just don't want to fire up a browser window and navigate |
| 13:37.18 | thewanderer1 | it's in HTML |
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| 13:37.32 | thewanderer1 | I'm a lazy person :P |
| 13:37.59 | themill | thewanderer1: "pear install doc.php.net/pman" if you've got a new enough php..... |
| 13:38.15 | SineDeviance | brb |
| 13:38.21 | themill | wonders about someone not wanting to have a browser open while working on php |
| 13:38.42 | babilen | thewanderer1: You could convert it to ASCII with e.g. "w3m -I %{charset} -T text/html -dump" and view it with a pager like most, more or less |
| 13:38.44 | thewanderer1 | themill, I'm making CLI applications, not websites now |
| 13:39.02 | thewanderer1 | babilen, thanks, there is also html2text that I will try I think |
| 13:39.11 | themill | wouldn't use php for that |
| 13:39.13 | nsadmin | in php?? |
| 13:39.34 | babilen | thewanderer1: html2text is nice, but I found w3m to be very good for html to text conversion |
| 13:39.42 | nsadmin | just so you know... you have at least a coupla thousand languages you could use |
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| 13:40.17 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: yes, but PHP is my language of choice, I can focus on the semantics and not worry about memory |
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| 13:40.44 | SineDeviance | okay, the driver installed. now i just need to activate it |
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| 13:41.08 | babilen | SineDeviance: yay! What did you do? What was necessary to get it to compile? |
| 13:41.27 | thewanderer1 | I'm going for pman, this is nice |
| 13:41.36 | SineDeviance | babilen: i ran aptitude -t lenny-backports install fglrx-driver |
| 13:41.40 | babilen | SineDeviance: hehe :) |
| 13:41.50 | SineDeviance | still in vesa though |
| 13:42.01 | SineDeviance | i need to figure out how to make the module actually run |
| 13:42.18 | coolguy4 | is there any real advantage of using AMD64 Debian? I'm using ubuntu 64-bit right now and I'm planning to switch to Debian, wondering if I should do 32-bit or 64-bit. I've had the occasional, but annoying, compatibility issues with Ubuntu 64-bit |
| 13:42.19 | babilen | SineDeviance: Well, edit your xorg.conf and replace the Driver in the "Device" section with "fglrx" |
| 13:42.26 | moldovean | SineDeviance, uname -r , says |
| 13:42.39 | SineDeviance | babilen: it doesn't seem to be loaded into the kernel though |
| 13:42.53 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: if you intend to use virtualization or do some CPU-intensive stuff then definitely yes, otherwise... yes |
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| 13:43.15 | thewanderer1 | is happy with pman which is some cool stuff |
| 13:43.34 | babilen | SineDeviance: Just issue "modprobe fglrx" and add it to /etc/modules to have it loaded automagically. You might want to take a look at "dmesg -n 10" after modprobing to make sure everyhting is fine. (you might need firmware) |
| 13:43.41 | coolguy4 | thewanderer1: ok, well yes, I use virtualbox often so I guess I should stick with 64-bit |
| 13:43.51 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: yes, definitely. |
| 13:43.58 | nsadmin | coolguy4: what compatibility issues? |
| 13:44.32 | thewanderer1 | coolguy4: the only thing you will run into is unworkable Flash (nihil novi!) - see forums.debian.net for that |
| 13:44.52 | SineDeviance | babilen: module fglrx not found :( |
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| 13:44.54 | coolguy4 | nsadmin: oh well the main thing right now is I need to use this webapp called webex, which uses java, but only 32-bit java. So I need to have 32-bit firefox, but I'm having some trouble setting that up, I could probably work through it I suppose. |
| 13:45.16 | coolguy4 | I've got flash working fine on 64bit Ubuntu. |
| 13:45.21 | SineDeviance | babilen: yeah, it failed |
| 13:45.52 | nsadmin | I thought java was compatible everywhere |
| 13:46.13 | babilen | SineDeviance: hang on - I have to do some reading. :) |
| 13:46.42 | coolguy4 | it could be a problem with 64-bit vs 32-bit firefox, I don't know exactly. Webex just crashes on my machine. But in a virtual machine with 32-bit xubutu it worked. |
| 13:46.53 | nkuttler | coolguy4: where did you get a 64bit firefox? |
| 13:47.11 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 13:47.12 | coolguy4 | isn't that what you get with sudo aptitude install? |
| 13:47.20 | nkuttler | aptitude install what? |
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| 13:47.31 | SineDeviance | babilen: sure, thanks! |
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| 13:48.12 | SineDeviance | maybe i should just install squeeze instead |
| 13:48.23 | coolguy4 | nkuller: I've had firefox on here for a long time... probably since I originally installed ubuntu. WHen I go to help-> about it says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) |
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| 13:49.06 | nkuttler | coolguy4: am i missing something or should you be in #ubuntu? |
| 13:49.37 | coolguy4 | nkuller: well I came just to get advice as to whether 64-bit debian is worth it, because I want to switch from ubuntu to debian. |
| 13:49.42 | babilen | SineDeviance: hehe - you would have the same problems. Have you tried a xorg.conf that uses "fglrx" as Driver? IRC you can get a new xorg.conf by executing aticonfig --initial or something like that. Read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-driver/README.Debian that should provide some hints |
| 13:50.19 | nkuttler | coolguy4: well i don't use java myself but iceweasel works just fine |
| 13:50.39 | babilen | SineDeviance: Also make sure that the "radeon" and "drm" modules are unloaded (modprobe -r radeon drm) |
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| 13:51.49 | coolguy4 | ah, so debian doesn't have a firefox package? |
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| 13:52.34 | themill | dpkg: tell coolguy4 about why iceweasel |
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| 13:53.06 | toolz | hi, I have a problem with one of my machines, I fsck -v -y /dev/sda1 and I have a lot of errors like: Error reading block 8061360 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan. Ignore error? yes |
| 13:53.25 | toolz | now when I type pico, wget.. or anything else: -bash: /usr/bin/wget: Input/output error |
| 13:53.32 | toolz | whats wrong, a hardware issue? or? |
| 13:53.45 | SineDeviance | babilen: well, aticonfig --initial segfaults :D |
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| 13:54.05 | babilen | SineDeviance: argh! /me curses |
| 13:54.09 | coolguy4 | themill: thanks |
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| 13:56.01 | toolz | anyone? |
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| 13:58.42 | stuckey | !kde |
| 13:58.42 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
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| 13:59.25 | stuckey | How do I install kde? |
| 13:59.44 | nsadmin | toolz looks like your hd is failing |
| 14:00.03 | nsadmin | if you have a backup, buy new drive, restore from backup, done |
| 14:00.05 | themill | makes stuckey actually read the factoid he just requested from dpkg |
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| 14:01.02 | toolz | nsadmin ok |
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| 14:01.13 | Waxhead1 | Will BTRFS changes be portet to debian squeeze's kernel ? |
| 14:01.15 | nsadmin | themill: you'd probably have to fox in soxize it first |
| 14:02.02 | nsadmin | Waxhead1, you'd probably have to ask the kernel maints that question |
| 14:02.05 | stuckey | !install kde |
| 14:02.06 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4>. |
| 14:02.18 | Waxhead1 | nsadmin: ok - where do I reach those guys ? :) |
| 14:02.21 | stuckey | judd: versions kde-core |
| 14:02.22 | judd | kde-core -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 14:02.31 | themill | stuckey: today, just like any other day, you can "/msg dpkg install kde" etc. |
| 14:02.32 | stuckey | No kde-core in testing? |
| 14:02.34 | babilen | SineDeviance|LT: Install the following: fglrx-glx and either fglrx-source or fglrx-modules-dkms -- the build the module by following the instructions in /usr/share/doc/fglrx-{source,module-dkms}/README.* ... |
| 14:02.47 | themill | dpkg: tell stuckey about install kde4 |
| 14:02.49 | stuckey | judd: versions kde |
| 14:02.50 | judd | kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
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| 14:03.01 | helmut | hi. I am looking for a volunteer for reproducing a bug on debian sid in the mupdf pdf viewer. extra points for using amd64 with nouveau. anyone? |
| 14:03.20 | babilen | stuckey: You don't have to do all that in the channel - /query {dpkg,judd} works perfectly and you can chat all you want with the bots |
| 14:04.01 | babilen | SineDeviance|LT: Make sure you get the packages from bpo (-t lenny-backports) |
| 14:04.18 | nsadmin | , versions mupdf |
| 14:04.20 | judd | mupdf -- sid: 0.6-1 |
| 14:04.31 | helmut | yes that one |
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| 14:04.41 | nsadmin | that wouldn't be me,,, I'm running lenny |
| 14:05.07 | helmut | sorry, I should made it more clear, that sid is required. |
| 14:05.10 | nsadmin | and no spare machines to install sid unless I can figure out kvm |
| 14:05.11 | babilen | SineDeviance|LT: Or was fglrx-modules-dkms already installed as a dependency of fglrx-driver and it built the module? |
| 14:05.49 | nsadmin | helmut: it was clear enough to me... but I was curious about it |
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| 14:05.50 | helmut | nsadmin: don't try. |
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| 14:06.43 | babilen | SineDeviance: You have to install a package that provides the module - try fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 14:08.26 | babilen | SineDeviance: Or fglrx-source and built the module. /usr/share/doc/fglrx-source or /usr/share/doc/fglrx-modules-dkms should have the information you need |
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| 14:08.49 | coolguy4 | is Squeeze going to release in 2010? |
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| 14:09.01 | dvs | Coolface: hopefully |
| 14:09.31 | coolguy4 | so I guess Squeeze is pretty stable now at this stage? |
| 14:10.04 | helmut | coolguy4: "pretty stable" as in "we are about to decide what versions of software to release"? |
| 14:10.06 | dvs | I've heard about a lot of installer problems with squeeze right now |
| 14:10.41 | nsadmin | perhaps it would be good if more people test the squeeze installer |
| 14:10.46 | SineDeviance | babilen: -dkms doesn't exist in the repos, not even in backports. fglrx-source is already installed and newest. |
| 14:10.50 | coolguy4 | ok then I'll stick with lenny ;) |
| 14:11.01 | deximat | Hi, friends, I need help. I am using debian, I have intel 5100 wifi card, but even with wired connection, I have trouble with my new router. I have concluded that problem is in linux, whatever linux I use with that router, internet connection responds slowly, but once it starts it goes well, while on windows it is working fine. I have no idea, why is this happening, help me please. Thanks! |
| 14:11.24 | dvs | I already have squeeze installed so not me. ;-) |
| 14:11.35 | SineDeviance | i think i'm gonna upgrade to squeeze |
| 14:11.44 | babilen | ,versions fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 14:11.45 | judd | fglrx-modules-dkms -- lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 1:10-6-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-6-1 |
| 14:11.56 | nsadmin | what's dkms? |
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| 14:12.21 | helmut | nsadmin: debian kernel module system (iirc) |
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| 14:12.34 | babilen | SineDeviance: Have you built the module? "m-a prepare" and "m-a a-i fglrx" ? |
| 14:12.34 | helmut | nsadmin: uhm. no d is for something else |
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| 14:12.41 | themill | nsadmin: "/msg dpkg dkms" has a good chance of working.... |
| 14:12.56 | themill | helmut: "dynamic" (used to be Dell) |
| 14:13.05 | stuckey | After installing kde-desktop, I get an error that says "GMD couldn't write to your home directory". It says it is impossible for me to login. |
| 14:13.10 | SineDeviance | babilen: yes, i tried. it fails every time |
| 14:13.25 | stuckey | Oh... it's out of disk space. |
| 14:13.26 | helmut | any sid user around for reproducing a mupdf bug? |
| 14:13.52 | nsadmin | oh, is that a new banner under which m-a and make-kpkg modules_image exist? |
| 14:13.59 | stuckey | How can I free up some disk space? |
| 14:14.11 | babilen | SineDeviance: that is the problem -- might be that the bpo kernel and the fglrx-source in bpo are incompatible. Anybody knows about that combination? |
| 14:14.14 | helmut | stuckey: aptitude clean? |
| 14:14.22 | themill | nsadmin: it does something like m-a but isn't the same. |
| 14:14.25 | SineDeviance | brb |
| 14:14.29 | stuckey | helmut: that did it, thanks |
| 14:14.34 | stuckey | cleared almost 2 gigs |
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| 14:15.05 | nsadmin | stuckey, oh, so you don't have a separate /home partition |
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| 14:15.27 | helmut | stuckey: you can do that automatically. see /etc/cron.daily/apt comments on how to configure. |
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| 14:17.12 | antgel | i raised a bug with reportbug but got nothing back - any tips on what to do? don't fancy writing it from scratch |
| 14:17.38 | themill | antgel: how long ago? |
| 14:17.42 | pif | where does one select the default sound card in gnome? |
| 14:17.48 | helmut | antgel: try files like /tmp/reportbug-* |
| 14:18.07 | nsadmin | antgel: see if it made it to the bts |
| 14:18.20 | stuckey | nsadmin: don't think so, no. I need to figure out what is taking up so much space. |
| 14:18.35 | babilen | stuckey: baobab might help with that |
| 14:18.48 | stuckey | And, is it normal to have a cursor on F7? My X starts on F8. |
| 14:18.54 | SineDeviance | brb, gonna reboot |
| 14:19.04 | fxiny | stuckey: any torrent ? |
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| 14:20.22 | antgel | themill: it wasn't delivered first time - problem with my exim settings, but then i don't see where my bounce went. checking my gmail spam folder |
| 14:20.38 | antgel | nsadmin: if it had, i wouldn't ask :) |
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| 14:21.36 | themill | antgel: reports often get left in /tmp for your benefit. BTW you don't need to configure reportbug to use your local mail server at all -- then it will just use debian's :587 |
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| 14:22.33 | antgel | themill: bounce is in my gmail spam \o/ and thanks for the tip, it's a pretty old config |
| 14:23.28 | antgel | themill: i don't have any explicit server configured in reportbugrc |
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| 14:24.36 | SineDeviance | brb |
| 14:24.50 | themill | antgel: yeah, then it will assume that the sendmail binary (i.e. exim) works. If you go through the reportbug config questions again and say "no I don't have a working MTA" then it will use "smtphost reportbug.debian.org" in the config |
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| 14:24.59 | merethan | Hi all! |
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| 14:26.41 | merethan | vsftpd recommends configuring a totally unprivileged user for isolating certain actions. How wise is it to use the 'nobody' user for this purpose? |
| 14:26.49 | SineDeviance | babilen: I GOT IT WORKING! |
| 14:27.00 | SineDeviance | works flawlessly now |
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| 14:27.17 | babilen | SineDeviance: good - what have you done (except rebooting/rejoining/...) ? |
| 14:27.36 | SineDeviance | babilen: i installed linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 14:27.57 | SineDeviance | babilen: THEN, i installed the latest official catalyst .run package from ati's site |
| 14:28.08 | SineDeviance | restart X, and like magic, compiz loads |
| 14:28.16 | SineDeviance | runs great |
| 14:28.47 | babilen | well, great. haven't you installed the bpo kernel before when you tried to compile the fglrx-source ? (and the headers) |
| 14:28.59 | SineDeviance | babilen: yes, but it was bpo.4 |
| 14:29.00 | SineDeviance | not .5 |
| 14:29.07 | SineDeviance | i think that's where the conflict came from |
| 14:29.12 | babilen | ah, ok |
| 14:29.16 | nsadmin | merethan: wisdom of having an ftp server questionable, especially if people will type their password |
| 14:30.14 | nsadmin | , versions grub2 |
| 14:30.15 | judd | grub2 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100722-1 |
| 14:30.39 | merethan | nsadmin, agreed. I might look into SSL encryption. However, for my purpose a compromised user acount isn't a problem. |
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| 14:31.17 | merethan | nsadmin, what else do you suggest? |
| 14:31.45 | nsadmin | well install the thing and see if it does what you want |
| 14:33.20 | coolguy4 | So to rephrase my qustion from before, in the run-up to Squeeze's release, is it likely that there will be more things breaking or less thing breaking? |
| 14:34.21 | nsadmin | it's likely that some things will break and hopefully get fixed before release |
| 14:34.43 | coolguy4 | ok |
| 14:34.48 | nsadmin | more than what? less than what? |
| 14:34.51 | merethan | nsadmin, compromised user accounts isn't a problem for me. A compromised server however is. So yeah, it will do what I want. The thing I want to know is whether setting 'nopriv_user=nobody' helps making it more secure. |
| 14:35.19 | nsadmin | that part I don't know |
| 14:36.40 | coolguy4 | nsadmin: well I'm weighing up installing squeeze or lenny on my home office machine that I don't really want to become unusable. I'm thinking "well squeeze should be releasing in the next 6 months, so maybe I should just use that because the software will be more recent". |
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| 14:37.52 | nsadmin | (hold this thought, but I'll pose it anyway) are there specific items you want newer? |
| 14:38.13 | coolguy4 | no there's nothing in particular that I'm thinking of |
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| 14:38.38 | coolguy4 | I know if there was i could probably pin those in aptitude |
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| 14:41.04 | coolguy4 | I guess it's easier to start with lenny and i can always upgrade to squeeze if I want to |
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| 14:57.43 | Voziv | Hello, I need to "make sure that your path gives preference to ~/local/bin to /usr/bin", I'm configuring a local python on my host, but I have no idea how ensure that it uses the local bin rather than the global one |
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| 14:58.02 | Voziv | Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? |
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| 14:59.56 | nkuttler | !tell Voziv about path |
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| 15:00.00 | kodiak | Hello, I use GRUB2, How can I remove entries from boot screen? |
| 15:01.18 | filePeter | kodiak: Edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 15:01.44 | Voziv | nkuttler: thanks, last question for that, preference is given from left to right? |
| 15:01.52 | kodiak | filePeter, the first line says # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE |
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| 15:02.41 | Voziv | If I'm not mistaken, in grub2, that file is generated by /etc/grub/<script files here> |
| 15:02.44 | themill | Voziv: local python sounds like a great way of breaking things. Particularly if you're going to make it the default python in the path. |
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| 15:03.18 | Voziv | themill: Howso? |
| 15:04.35 | nsadmin | python is used in some system activities |
| 15:04.50 | themill | Voziv: how many programs do you have installed in /usr/bin that will end up using the wrong version of python with the wrong python modules installed? |
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| 15:05.45 | nsadmin | you'll limit breakage possibilities if you make sure it's not in root's path |
| 15:05.56 | Voziv | it's not in the root's path |
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| 15:08.51 | nsadmin | programs in /usr/bin that use python probably have no business not specifying which python to use by its full pathname |
| 15:09.33 | nsadmin | if that is not true, it is a disservice to the user |
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| 15:11.25 | themill | nsadmin: that's a holy war of similar size to vi vs emacs. A lot of python people would rather "#!/usr/bin/env python" so they can work in a "virtualenv" (python chroot like thing good for testing out modules without breaking your installed python) |
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| 15:13.27 | nsadmin | I think that capability ought to be reserved for users |
| 15:13.50 | nsadmin | system people have to be more careful |
| 15:13.55 | Voziv | And by all means I'm a user... |
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| 15:14.13 | fourlastor | hello everyone :) |
| 15:15.27 | nsadmin | notices everyone (just under a thousand people) about to say hi back... |
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| 15:18.25 | cristi8 | hi, if i want to setup a blog on my lenny pc, should i use the "wordpress" package or download the latest version and install manually in /var/www/myvhost/ ? |
| 15:18.58 | cristi8 | the package is at 2.5 version, but now wp 3 is out |
| 15:19.08 | nsadmin | consider why you would want to do each, and choose |
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| 15:19.35 | fourlastor | i've a question about acpi,from some time i've have an issue on battery charging on my laptop,when i disconnect my charger,gnome-power-manager doesn't notify anything,like the cable wasn't disconnected at all,even acpi -V doesn't change its output on charging and disconnected,this is the output and uname -r http://pastebin.com/8urpRSFN , does anyone have the same issue? |
| 15:19.57 | fourlastor | sorry for the bad english.. |
| 15:19.59 | nsadmin | debian packagers would probably vote for the packaged version |
| 15:20.03 | M2_807705 | RichiH: Thank you for your help, MC working well |
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| 15:21.18 | amee2k | is there a dedicated support channel for privoxy? |
| 15:22.14 | M2_807705 | RichiH: What distro are you running and on what machine? |
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| 15:27.21 | nsadmin | , versions grub2 |
| 15:27.21 | judd | grub2 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100710-1; sid: 1.98+20100722-1 |
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| 15:30.04 | nsadmin | , depends grub2 sid |
| 15:30.06 | judd | grub2 -- depends: grub-pc (= 1.98+20100722-1). |
| 15:30.15 | nsadmin | , depends grub-pc sid |
| 15:30.16 | judd | grub-pc -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), libdevmapper1.02.1 (>= 2:1.02.36), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, grub-common (= 1.98+20100722-1), ucf. |
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| 15:31.24 | nsadmin | ponders backporting grub-pc and grub2 from sid... lenny and lenny-backports are not supported upstream |
| 15:31.49 | SomeoneBegins | What would cause a false 'no such file or directory' error on an executable, when I can confirm it exists 100%, can run file on it and get info.. |
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| 15:32.11 | nsadmin | nonexistant lib or interpreter? |
| 15:32.26 | SomeoneBegins | I would assume so, but why does it get output as: |
| 15:32.34 | SomeoneBegins | "sh: /usr/bin/srb2: No such file or directory" |
| 15:32.45 | SomeoneBegins | I didn't imagine the shell dealt with it |
| 15:32.46 | mdik | SomeoneBegins: exactly. the question is, if the output ist by bash or the program itself. |
| 15:32.55 | nsadmin | because error messages are dumb sometimes? :) |
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| 15:33.13 | SomeoneBegins | is there a way to find the missing lib? |
| 15:33.22 | nsadmin | try ldd |
| 15:33.23 | nsadmin | on it |
| 15:33.30 | nsadmin | see if all the libs are there |
| 15:33.44 | nsadmin | is this a script executable or compiled binary executable? |
| 15:33.44 | SomeoneBegins | "/usr/bin/ldd: line 116: /usr/bin/srb2: No such file or directory" oh wow |
| 15:34.01 | SomeoneBegins | compiled binary executable |
| 15:34.03 | nsadmin | try hash -r |
| 15:34.15 | nsadmin | and then do it again |
| 15:34.30 | SomeoneBegins | same result |
| 15:34.45 | themill | SomeoneBegins: this is something you've just copied into /usr/bin/ yourself? |
| 15:34.51 | nsadmin | file /usr/bin/ldd (that thing is a script??) |
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| 15:35.16 | SomeoneBegins | themill, it's from a .deb package |
| 15:35.18 | SomeoneBegins | /usr/bin/ldd: Bourne-Again shell script text executable |
| 15:35.29 | nsadmin | interesting, never knew that |
| 15:35.46 | fourlastor | http://pastebin.com/XuZTBB3j here the output of lshal also,the battery.is_charging and is_discharging never changes on pluggin in and out the charger |
| 15:35.52 | nsadmin | take a look at line 116 and see what it's doing |
| 15:35.54 | themill | SomeoneBegins: there's no /usr/bin/srb2 anywhere in debian.... can you start again with your explanation |
| 15:36.10 | SomeoneBegins | I installed a .deb package |
| 15:36.21 | themill | SomeoneBegins: how? what package? |
| 15:36.27 | nsadmin | from a separate vendor probably |
| 15:36.33 | SomeoneBegins | I can link if you wish, and yes, seperate |
| 15:37.02 | nsadmin | you should try compiling it from its debianized source on your machine |
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| 15:37.36 | SomeoneBegins | ah. That could help shed some light on what's missing |
| 15:37.40 | nsadmin | produce the .deb from it |
| 15:37.44 | nsadmin | install that |
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| 15:38.26 | nsadmin | if you do that, it will use the resources on your machine, and most likely detect them properly (hence generating the proper code to use said resources) |
| 15:39.04 | nsadmin | once you have the source package, look at debian/control to see what it depends on |
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| 15:40.50 | nsadmin | then the resulting .deb will very likely work on your machine |
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| 15:42.03 | lindi- | you can surely generate that list without building a debian package although debian package is always a good idea |
| 15:42.51 | nsadmin | well installation/removal of the software is going to be -much- less messy with a .deb than without |
| 15:43.22 | lindi- | yep |
| 15:44.06 | nsadmin | for example you have that one .deb with stuff that's not working for you installed... can be blown away with one command |
| 15:44.40 | lindi- | yep unless the maintainer scripts do something dangerous of course |
| 15:44.57 | nsadmin | true |
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| 16:06.10 | Mortvert | hi |
| 16:06.29 | Mortvert | i have a question |
| 16:06.55 | nsadmin | when you ask it I'll have it too! |
| 16:06.59 | Mortvert | My remote server is running very slow - http://wklej.org/hash/a526c1d2ab0/ <- this is print out from ps -ax |
| 16:07.08 | Mortvert | any ideas what is causing such huge slow-down? |
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| 16:11.29 | nsadmin | dawidek, pastebin output of (uptime ; free ; ps aux) |
| 16:11.53 | nsadmin | you should be able to: |
| 16:12.08 | nsadmin | (uptime ; free ; ps aux) | pastebinit |
| 16:17.43 | Mortvert | nsadmin, http://wklej.org/hash/374db5c6685/ |
| 16:17.50 | Mortvert | it threw things at me like this |
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| 16:26.02 | kkirk | this is odd...i'm using pxe/netboot to install new debian systems - but today i got back a 'mirror does not support the specified release (lenny)' |
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| 16:27.11 | orion_X11 | how do I access root workplace using gdm3? I remember that with gdm there was an option to enable entering as root |
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| 16:28.26 | kkirk | orion_X11: maybe it have been disabled from the gdm config file? |
| 16:29.21 | fourlastor | ok,simple question,it's normal that if i cycle through cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state, and close the laptop lid,the screen goes off correctly,and if i don't cycle the screen doesn't power off? (and power on,if i cycle on 15sec delay,i've to wait 15s to get the screen on after the lid is opened) |
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| 16:29.58 | hello | hello |
| 16:30.02 | fourlastor | hello, hello |
| 16:30.03 | fourlastor | :D |
| 16:30.10 | hello | : ) |
| 16:30.31 | hello | i made my site enabled : ) |
| 16:30.44 | hello | from a domain name |
| 16:31.01 | hello | www.macrohardsoft.info |
| 16:31.19 | hello | cn you browse ? |
| 16:31.37 | hello | hey why above hello hello are underlined ? |
| 16:31.39 | orion_X11 | kkirk, it was easy to do. And it was not necessary to tweak any config file with gdm. We also could choose gdm wallpapers from that. In gdm3 there is no way to config that from gdm screen. So I'd like to know if there is a way to do that |
| 16:32.29 | bzed | hello: your test html stuff on that page is pretty much broken :) |
| 16:32.57 | hello | hey also wann to know why if debian shutdown directly ,there is disc error and it runs fsck |
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| 16:33.22 | hello | yeah need to write there work is in progress ,,,,its along learning curve hehe |
| 16:34.10 | hello | and also fsck ends in error and i need to manulay runfsck and yes to problems and than it restrt |
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| 16:35.36 | hello | bzed type your name in bottom most boxes and it wil takeyou to othe r page with result |
| 16:36.26 | hello | look like 3 people cheaked it already |
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| 16:36.57 | hello | um no four |
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| 16:40.14 | hello | so much silence ?? |
| 16:41.10 | hello | named shilence and shylent left room |
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| 16:43.25 | babilen | hello: Do you actually have a Debian related question? There are better places for off-topic talk :) |
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| 16:46.04 | fxiny | again fsck ? too many . there must be something in the water |
| 16:46.42 | hello | hehe |
| 16:47.02 | hello | fsck is asked another room ? |
| 16:47.31 | hello | mine distro is debian |
| 16:47.57 | fxiny | not gonna feed you , i'm just on the fsck problem . |
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| 17:15.00 | magesing | Hi everyone, I just did a dist upgrade from lenny to squeeze, afterwords my wifi card (RaLink RT2860) stopped working. If I use /sbin/iwlist scan wlan0 reports ``No scan results" even though I know there are plenty of wireless networks in range. Any ideas on how to diagnose and fix my problem? Thanks |
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| 17:19.47 | babilen | magesing: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? |
| 17:20.44 | babilen | magesing: But I guess that you have to install firmware |
| 17:20.48 | babilen | !rt2860sta |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink PCI 802.11n (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 17:20.50 | magesing | babilen: 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] |
| 17:20.52 | babilen | !ralink firmware |
| 17:20.53 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers. It is also required by the <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta> and <rt2800usb> drivers available in Squeeze's 2.6.32 kernel. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide. |
| 17:21.02 | babilen | ,pciid 1814:0781 |
| 17:21.05 | judd | [1814:0781] is 'RT2860' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'rt2860sta' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0781 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
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| 17:21.26 | BrianHV | I'm trying to get python-psycopg2 to work with python2.5 on lenny. there are several files that get installed in the pyshared directory and copied to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages, but don't get copied to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages, so the import in 2.5 fails. |
| 17:21.28 | babilen | magesing: Is the firmware-ralink package installed on your system? |
| 17:21.36 | magesing | babilen: checking... |
| 17:22.11 | magesing | babilen: was not installed, installing now |
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| 17:22.14 | magesing | babilen: thanks. |
| 17:22.30 | babilen | magesing: also "modprobe -r rt2860sta && modprob .. fixed it? |
| 17:22.45 | babilen | magesing: That was it? |
| 17:23.10 | magesing | babilen: install just finished, testing |
| 17:23.29 | babilen | magesing: You should still run "modprobe -r rt2860sta && modprobe rt2860sta" will reload the module (and the firmware) .. |
| 17:23.34 | babilen | i'm back in a second |
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| 17:27.48 | magesing | babilen: ok now iwlist scan gives me results, but only if I manually do ifconfig wlan0 up manually first |
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| 17:28.51 | magesing | Before I upgraded wicd would connect automatically to my network as soon as I booted up |
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| 17:34.16 | BrianHV | what *is* this pyshared thing, anyway? |
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| 17:35.04 | BrianHV | for something that seems so vital to python's operation on debian, it seems to be nearly unknown to google |
| 17:36.08 | nsadmin | BrianHV: google indexing not considered essential to maintainers? |
| 17:36.33 | nsadmin | , versions pyshared |
| 17:36.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pyshared' was found. |
| 17:36.54 | BrianHV | nsadmin: I figured there might be documentation on it |
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| 17:37.08 | nsadmin | what package is it in? |
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| 17:37.50 | nsadmin | it's probably similar to what perl calls libperl |
| 17:38.25 | BrianHV | e.g., python-psycopg2 |
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| 17:39.02 | BrianHV | it installs most of the files in pyshared, then copies them all to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages, but not ^2.4^2.5. I need them in 2.5 |
| 17:39.43 | BrianHV | it's definitely a debian thing |
| 17:40.19 | themill | BrianHV: what version of debian is this? |
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| 17:41.15 | themill | BrianHV: (it's a mechanism to support multiple versions of python... something that debian has tried to do for a long time and the python developers have only just started to actually take seriously for version 3.2) |
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| 17:41.51 | BrianHV | themill: lenny |
| 17:42.22 | BrianHV | themill: I mean, I kinda figured that was the intent, but what I really want to know is how it works, and more specifically, why it's not working |
| 17:42.34 | magesing | When I try glxgears it tells me that Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on dispaly ":0.0" |
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| 17:43.16 | themill | BrianHV: was this machine ever an etch box? what versions of the python and python-central packages do you have installed? |
| 17:43.24 | BrianHV | is there some way to make apt-get/aptitude show everything it's doing? no number of -v flags seem to help... |
| 17:43.28 | BrianHV | themill: yes, it was etch |
| 17:43.56 | BrianHV | themill: 2.4.3-11 and 0.6.8, respectively |
| 17:44.07 | themill | ,versions python |
| 17:44.08 | judd | python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-5; sid: 2.6.5-9 |
| 17:44.15 | peterrooney | BrianHV: strace |
| 17:44.18 | themill | BrianHV: that's a very very very old version of the python package. |
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| 17:44.54 | BrianHV | themill: I still need 2.4 on this box. python2.5 is 2.5.2-15+lenny1 |
| 17:45.05 | themill | ,versions python2.4 |
| 17:45.05 | BrianHV | ,versions python-central |
| 17:45.05 | judd | python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch3; etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch3; lenny: 2.4.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 17:45.07 | judd | python-central -- etch: 0.5.12; lenny: 0.6.8; squeeze: 0.6.14+nmu2; sid: 0.6.16 |
| 17:45.23 | themill | BrianHV: that's fine, you're allowed to have both python2.5 and python2.4 in lenny |
| 17:45.31 | themill | BrianHV: it looks like that box isn't even an up-to-date etch box, let alone being fully upgraded to lenny. You may wish to "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and check things over. |
| 17:46.01 | peterrooney | wonders if advocating strace is grounds for kickbanning |
| 17:46.17 | BrianHV | erg. ok. let me play a bit. |
| 17:47.12 | BrianHV | dist-upgrade doesn't ask to do anything python-related... |
| 17:47.35 | BrianHV | what makes you think it's not up-to-date etch, if I may ask? |
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| 17:50.08 | magesing | O.K. dpkg tells me that the driver for my video card is provided by xserver-xorg-video-intel, which I have installed at version 2:2.9.1-4 . . . Why do my 3D graphics not work? How can I get the "GLX" extension onto display 0.0? |
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| 17:52.16 | themill | BrianHV: your python package is older than etch. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-get update; apt-cache policy python libc6 perl" for me? |
| 17:53.08 | magesing | I know that these days /etc/X11/xorg.conf is largely un-necessairy... But can I use it to force the GLX extensions to be loaded? |
| 17:53.58 | BrianHV | themill: http://pastebin.com/MNuXkUej |
| 17:55.23 | themill | BrianHV: hmmm... so what did you mean when you said the version of the python package was 2.4.3-11? |
| 17:55.53 | BrianHV | themill: well, I probably did something to update it since then |
| 17:56.12 | BrianHV | I've been installing every vaguely relevant package I could find to try to make this work |
| 17:56.35 | themill | ahh.... no worries. Do you now have a populated /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/psycopg2/? |
| 17:56.37 | BrianHV | something apparently switched my default to python2.5... but it still didn't help |
| 17:57.09 | themill | BrianHV: yes, part of completing etch->lenny will switch /usr/bin/python over to python2.5 |
| 17:57.11 | BrianHV | wait... I do, but it's breaking trying to find the mxDateTime module |
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| 17:58.18 | themill | BrianHV: you presumably have python-egenix-mxdatetime installed? |
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| 17:59.52 | BrianHV | themill: yeah... and it seems to be installed properly (except maybe a missing __init__.py file) but python won't import it |
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| 18:00.20 | jarray52 | I tried to install ejabberd on debian lenny, and I received the message WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that this is what you want to do. Is there a description of the issue that causes this message to be posted? |
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| 18:00.48 | themill | jarray52: do you have the debian-archive-keyring package installed and up to date? |
| 18:01.11 | andrewsw | jarray52: update your package manager (apt-get/aptitude update) for start |
| 18:01.13 | jarray52 | themill: No, but I could install it. |
| 18:01.45 | themill | BrianHV: there should be an __init__.py. How about trying to reinstall that package: aptitude reinstall python-egenix-mxdatetime |
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| 18:02.43 | lavamind | hi, I just updated python-gobject and now many python apps fail : File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/glib/__init__.py", line 22, in <module> from glib._glib import * ImportError: No module named _glib |
| 18:02.52 | jarray52 | andrewsw: After updating the package manager, I no longer get the message. I presume it has been fixed in the interim since my last update, which was perhaps a few days ago. |
| 18:03.39 | andrewsw | jarray52: this problem crops up in several ways, but the basic problem is that you didn't have the key that signed the package. |
| 18:03.49 | andrewsw | jarray52: now you do. :) |
| 18:04.05 | lavamind | actually I think its python-gtk2 that was updated |
| 18:04.28 | jarray52 | andrewsw: What topic should I google to understand what just happened? |
| 18:04.35 | themill | dpkg: tell jarray52 about secure apt |
| 18:04.40 | andrewsw | jarray52: secure apt |
| 18:04.57 | BrianHV | themill: it's a remarkably similar problem. it looks like the files in pyshared are right, but they're not getting copied to a place where python is looking |
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| 18:05.14 | jarray52 | themill: Thanks |
| 18:05.22 | jarray52 | andrewsw: Thanks |
| 18:05.34 | BrianHV | except for the ones that are... |
| 18:05.46 | themill | BrianHV: yeah, they were installed with an older version of python being present. These helpers are notoriously flakey like that. (but are hopefully getting better) |
| 18:05.58 | themill | BrianHV: so did the reinstall solve that package? |
| 18:06.24 | BrianHV | no |
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| 18:08.13 | themill | hmm... that should have been enough. |
| 18:08.28 | BrianHV | got it... there was another mx package I needed to reinstall |
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| 18:09.02 | BrianHV | and my django app finally runs |
| 18:09.13 | BrianHV | thanks for your help |
| 18:09.26 | facet | hello guys, i'm running debian lenny with gnome desktop, every so often it fails to start Xorg properly with a black screen? How can i force gnome to read my xorg.conf and not to hardware detection on every boot? |
| 18:10.16 | themill | BrianHV: excellent. We can presume that there are other damaged or otherwise borked python packages on your system so reinstalling all of them wouldn't be a bad plan. "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i" should do it. |
| 18:10.58 | lavamind | "ImportError: No module named _glib" fixed: messed up some permissions by accident, sorry folks |
| 18:11.23 | BrianHV | themill: neat trick. I'll try it. |
| 18:12.10 | themill | BrianHV: aptitude can even make you a cup of coffee while it's doing its stuff (almost). /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 18:12.51 | BrianHV | nice |
| 18:13.31 | BrianHV | now it's time to dive into the dark hole of apache configuration... |
| 18:13.31 | facet | i've tried replacing gdm with xdm without sucess same trouble |
| 18:14.24 | mentor | facet: What makes you think that's the problem? |
| 18:15.37 | facet | 1 time out of 10 it doesn't start properly |
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| 18:16.32 | mentor | facet: Well, that doesn't make me think that the configuration is the problem |
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| 18:16.45 | facet | it isn't gdm fault? |
| 18:17.19 | facet | i don't think it is reading my xorg.conf |
| 18:17.45 | mentor | facet: Why does it need to do that, and why would it be doing that 1 out of 10 times? |
| 18:18.14 | mentor | not |
| 18:18.38 | facet | because it is doing hardware dectetion and not simply reading my xorg.conf |
| 18:19.29 | mentor | How do you know? |
| 18:19.39 | mentor | Pulling teeth... |
| 18:19.56 | facet | speculating |
| 18:20.10 | mentor | finally |
| 18:20.29 | mentor | Well, to me it sounds more like flaky graphics drivers |
| 18:20.37 | mentor | What graphics hardware do you have? |
| 18:20.38 | facet | if i make changes to xorg.conf they are not reflected |
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| 18:21.09 | mentor | New X doesn't really use xorg.conf |
| 18:21.32 | BrianHV | really? man, I've been away from X too long... |
| 18:22.00 | simonrvn | you don't need in many cases |
| 18:22.07 | mentor | Does anyone really want to configure X? |
| 18:22.15 | babilen | BrianHV: It can still be used and is the preferred way to make customisations. It is just that newer xorg versions do a lot of autoconfiguring |
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| 18:22.43 | simonrvn | i imagine many people don't, but i do |
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| 18:23.21 | simonrvn | that's why (what babilen said) |
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| 18:24.05 | bluegene | i am having problems using the cherokee package from testing http://paste.plurk.com/show/283840/ |
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| 18:24.22 | mentor | Well, it does rather depend on the version, I know that, at least in development, it would ignore xorg.conf entirely |
| 18:24.35 | facet | it's that stupid autoconfiguring garbage that i need to figure out how do disable |
| 18:24.44 | mentor | No it isn't |
| 18:24.51 | bluegene | does anyone else have these issues? aptitude show: http://paste.plurk.com/show/283841/ |
| 18:24.52 | mentor | You've just decided it is |
| 18:24.54 | falja | What command/package in debian-installer creates the hard drive devices in /dev (i.e. sda) |
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| 18:25.31 | bluegene | strace: http://paste.plurk.com/show/283843/ |
| 18:25.38 | simonrvn | mknod or udev actually do the creation |
| 18:26.08 | Nephfl | hello, when i try to remove a package with apt-get it shows two packages to uninstall, one is a linux-image, anyone know why? |
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| 18:26.45 | bluegene | which package is it that you are trying to uninstall, Nephfl? |
| 18:26.46 | falja | I have udev running - is there a udevadm command to try to get it to autoconfigure? |
| 18:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | xorg.conf is supposed to override autoconf. |
| 18:27.01 | simonrvn | try #mindreaders |
| 18:27.02 | mentor | udevadm trigger |
| 18:27.10 | Nephfl | my mysql install is corrupt and wont start, so i was thinking a reinstall might fix it |
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| 18:27.18 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 18:27.23 | rindolf | Is there an apt-file bot here? |
| 18:27.44 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, it's been known to disable X if xorg.conf is incorrect. |
| 18:27.59 | facet | sure |
| 18:28.26 | falja | mentor: Thank you. |
| 18:28.42 | falja | simonrvn: thanks to you also.... |
| 18:29.05 | themill | rindolf: /msg judd help file |
| 18:29.12 | facet | mentor, jhutchins_lt ok, i'll do more google searching |
| 18:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | facet: gdm, on the otherhand, reads gdmrc. |
| 18:29.38 | facet | i've disabled gdm |
| 18:29.56 | facet | i'm using xdm |
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| 18:30.28 | jhutchins_lt | facet: ... which I would assume reads xdmrc |
| 18:31.36 | mentor | facet: What graphics hardware are you using? |
| 18:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | facet: If you want to test the xorg configuration you should eliminate the dm entirely and start it from a console with startx or just X. |
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| 18:32.13 | jhutchins_lt | facet: Just X would eliminate Gnome as a source of problems. |
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| 18:32.22 | Nephfl | any idea why it would want to uninstall a linux-image? |
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| 18:32.39 | rindolf | themill: thanks. |
| 18:33.16 | facet | jhutchins_lt: alright i'll have an experiment thanks for the help |
| 18:33.17 | nsadmin | the particular linux-image conflicts with something that wasn't there before |
| 18:33.42 | Nephfl | will it cause a problem to remove it? |
| 18:34.00 | jhutchins_lt | Nephfl: Possibly that kernel was pulled in by whatever package you're removing. You can mark it as manually installed, or install a newer one if it exists. |
| 18:34.11 | nsadmin | do you have a bootable kernel that's from a different image? |
| 18:34.29 | Nephfl | i dont know, i didnt load the OS on this machine |
| 18:34.41 | nsadmin | is this machine yours? |
| 18:34.57 | jhutchins_lt | Nephfl: What images are installed? You can figure it out. |
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| 18:49.52 | nsadmin | !find Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm |
| 18:50.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm) in vcs/quilt. |
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| 18:53.08 | remur_030_v2 | heyhey, does somebody know a solution between cron+vlc and mythtv that will allow me to schedule recording radio shows? |
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| 18:53.46 | SparFux | Hi. Why is there no local loopback route? like sudo ip route add 127.0.0.0/8 dev lo |
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| 18:55.56 | mquin | SparFux: make sure you have "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" lines in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 18:57.40 | SparFux | mquin: I have those lines, and they don't give me a route to 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 18:57.48 | SparFux | but this route seems to solve my lagging problem. |
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| 18:58.30 | SparFux | as described on http://www.alice-dsl.net/jkl345/net.txt |
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| 18:58.50 | nsadmin | !ops Received a CTCP VERSION from joker[avd] (to #debian) |
| 18:58.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Received a CTCP VERSION from joker[avd] (to #debian) |
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| 18:59.17 | AimHere | A CTCP version, OMG! |
| 18:59.23 | joker[avd] | Q_Q |
| 18:59.28 | AimHere | Maybe he knows what client you've got |
| 18:59.51 | nsadmin | maybe you could have -asked- |
| 19:00.02 | mquin | SparFux: bear in mind that local routes don't show in the main routing table - 'ip route show table local' will show them |
| 19:00.02 | AimHere | Maybe he's the MIRC or windows xchat developer checking to make sure you paid up your shareware fees |
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| 19:00.12 | SparFux | mquin: so I add post-up ip route add 127.0.0.0/8 dev lo for now. |
| 19:00.46 | joker[avd] | That sounds sensible - ask nearly 1,000 clients if I may poll a service which they openly offer. |
| 19:00.57 | nsadmin | AimHere: that's not what I allow in terms of use of my host |
| 19:01.11 | SparFux | indeed! |
| 19:01.12 | joker[avd] | Turn your CTCP VERSION reply off then. |
| 19:01.20 | AimHere | Can't you just configure your client to deny |
| 19:01.25 | joker[avd] | sighs |
| 19:01.43 | mquin | joker[avd]: as you are finding out, many people feel channel-wide CTCPs are annoying |
| 19:01.50 | nsadmin | joker[avd], actually the response I made is what I wanted to do |
| 19:02.27 | SparFux | mquin: right, there is a route to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 19:04.28 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 19:04.42 | kittonian | i realize this is not the qmail channel but no one is around and i've been waiting for a few hours now |
| 19:04.49 | SparFux | mquin: so I suspect my problem with the lag to re-appear agian. |
| 19:05.07 | nsadmin | kittonian: get to the query :) |
| 19:05.37 | kittonian | can anyone help me with a major qmail vpopmail problem? i updated qmail with a patch i needed and it no longer recognizes my password for smtp-auth. pop is working just fine and i'm receiving mail. |
| 19:06.00 | kittonian | i even put qmail back to the way it was before the patch and i still have the same issue |
| 19:06.14 | nsadmin | well the first thing you need to do is find out why |
| 19:06.17 | kittonian | i don't understand what's going on and i've checked everything i can think of and googled a bunch too |
| 19:06.29 | kittonian | i would love to find out why. i don't see anything in the logs |
| 19:06.49 | nsadmin | what patch did you apply? |
| 19:07.01 | craigevil | joker[avd]: Don't CTCP people without asking permission or perform other actions that may bother members. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines |
| 19:07.05 | kittonian | the dns patch so that i no longer get cname lookup failures |
| 19:07.23 | thewanderer1 | have you read the patch to see if it contains a line to send your password to the Russians and deny it then? |
| 19:07.38 | kittonian | but like i said, i had a backup of my qmail source and i put everything back the way it was and still have the same problem (i.e. no dns patch applied) |
| 19:07.47 | nsadmin | hey, russians are cool :P |
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| 19:08.03 | thewanderer1 | yes, but one has to be careful with patches |
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| 19:08.34 | kittonian | it's reading the username and password for pop authentication without issue |
| 19:08.46 | iluminator101 | hi, my sound is raspy when i watch youtube |
| 19:08.47 | kittonian | it's only the smtp auth that is not recognizing the password |
| 19:09.24 | iluminator101 | its raspy on high pitches, how can i fix this problem |
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| 19:10.57 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: 1. try it with some real high-quality sound files 2. check with other output devices (change speakers, try headprones) 3. lower your PCM loudness |
| 19:11.26 | thewanderer1 | (there goes my typing... I think I'm "head-prone"...) |
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| 19:15.53 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1 thanks |
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| 19:17.50 | simonrvn | shockka: shut up |
| 19:18.04 | nsadmin | simonrvn: repeat customer |
| 19:18.26 | nsadmin | at least 4x in the past 24 hours |
| 19:18.48 | shockka | Nsadmin: youre still online? Wow thats disapointing |
| 19:18.49 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 19:19.09 | simonrvn | shockka: get a life, and a dictionary |
| 19:19.29 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 19:22.39 | kittonian | so, can anyone help me? |
| 19:24.01 | nsadmin | look at how a password fails: one way, is if the server copy of the password is missing or the server wants it in a form it's not available in |
| 19:24.52 | nsadmin | for the latter, find out what the failing server element wants in terms of how the passwd looks |
| 19:25.42 | nsadmin | another way, the server has not been told that it should authenticate that user in some particular way |
| 19:25.48 | kittonian | nsadmin: i've done all of that. this was and has been working perfectly for a very long time |
| 19:26.08 | kittonian | the server also knows it needs to auth as i tried disabling auth in my mail client and got an error saying i need to auth |
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| 19:26.16 | kittonian | it's also auth'ing pop3 just fine |
| 19:26.20 | nsadmin | but it's failed now. you may need to do all that again |
| 19:26.27 | kittonian | do all what again? |
| 19:26.47 | thewanderer1 | kittonian: you have the server logs, turn up all your debugging stuff and watch for error messages |
| 19:26.49 | nsadmin | what did you initially do to make the server authenticate you? |
| 19:26.53 | kittonian | i'm saying that i checked this all today |
| 19:27.01 | iluminator101 | what is that command to check you sound alsa-utilities ??? |
| 19:27.45 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: I do not understand a single word from what you just said, but alsaconf. |
| 19:27.47 | kittonian | thewanderer1: i have checked the logs time and again. there are no error messages relating to authentication. i tried auth'ing via telnet and came up with an error which i googled only to find that the solution to that issue is already in place on this server |
| 19:28.11 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1, alsaconf command not found |
| 19:28.18 | kittonian | i don't know what else to check |
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| 19:28.25 | nsadmin | kittonian, you may need to make the log messages more verbose |
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| 19:28.29 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: it's in alsa-utils |
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| 19:29.48 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1, i have alsa-utils installed still no go |
| 19:30.13 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: do you need to test alsa or what? |
| 19:30.23 | iluminator101 | thewanderer1, yea |
| 19:30.51 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: then get some music files, hardcore techno will do for intense sound testing :P |
| 19:32.30 | iluminator101 | how do i bring up alsaconf on terminal |
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| 19:34.09 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: do it as root |
| 19:34.23 | iluminator101 | i did command not found |
| 19:35.15 | moldovean | !installit |
| 19:35.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:35.42 | thewanderer1 | ok, alsaconf appears to have been dropped from testing or sid |
| 19:36.13 | nsadmin | then you do what, dpkg-reconfigure alsa? |
| 19:36.31 | thewanderer1 | no, it is meant to "just work" I think... |
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| 19:36.50 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: if you only want to change the volume, then use alsamixer |
| 19:37.31 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: I don't really see that as possible |
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| 19:38.00 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: there is a reason xorg.conf was dropped from the default Debian install, right? |
| 19:38.00 | nsadmin | something needs to happen in order to have alsa know how to handle sound |
| 19:38.17 | nsadmin | how is that relevent here? |
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| 19:38.38 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: it shares a common property - is meant to just work. autodetection and stuff. |
| 19:39.11 | nsadmin | autodetection is still detection is still something that needs to happen in order to find out how to handle things |
| 19:39.53 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: yes, I think the kernel is getting better and better at it, though |
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| 19:40.03 | nsadmin | perhaps |
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| 19:42.19 | thewanderer1 | do we have a nice and clean script to manage one's home directory? like, to handle file types, move stuff around, and do the housekeeping? I once had one but lost it somewhere :P |
| 19:42.50 | nsadmin | script? you have all the power of unix to manage your home dir and in fact all other files |
| 19:42.58 | nsadmin | what management do you want? |
| 19:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions alsa-utils |
| 19:43.11 | judd | alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2; lenny: 1.0.16-2; sid: 1.0.23-2; squeeze: 1.0.23-2 |
| 19:43.22 | iluminator101 | when i try to remove evolution its removing everything how do i change this |
| 19:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | !alsa |
| 19:43.26 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:44.37 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: there is no alsaconf in squeeze |
| 19:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Correct. |
| 19:44.53 | nsadmin | !alsaconf |
| 19:44.53 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 19:46.01 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: aptitude keep-all && aptitude remove evolution |
| 19:46.23 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Why do you want to remove evolution? |
| 19:46.28 | thewanderer1 | removing evolution is dangerous, though - hands, brains and eyes are pretty useful. keyboards too. |
| 19:46.53 | dvs | heh |
| 19:47.08 | dvs | has a hard time typing with his fins |
| 19:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Have you given up on your sound? |
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| 19:49.19 | freeone3000 | If I wanted to get a single package from sid, but keep the rest of my system stable, how would I do this? |
| 19:49.38 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like he's given up after being misdirected like that. Oh well. |
| 19:49.43 | dvs | freeone3000: check backports first? |
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| 19:49.58 | freeone3000 | backports.org doesn't list 'vlc-nox'. |
| 19:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | !tell freeone3000 about ssb |
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| 19:51.27 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions vlc-nox |
| 19:51.28 | judd | vlc-nox -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.0-4; sid: 1.1.1-1; experimental: 1.1.1-1+exp1 |
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| 19:53.05 | iluminator101 | the sound...i am working on it |
| 19:53.47 | iluminator101 | what the command that i use so i dont have to logout |
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| 19:55.49 | iluminator101 | i like debian but its seems that i am doing everything that ubuntu does already prepackaged hmmm |
| 19:56.31 | iluminator101 | but then again when i was using ubuntu i was uninstalling everything and trying to make it more like debian |
| 19:57.21 | nsadmin | perhaps that's because there are differences between the goals of deb vs ub, and therefore some disagreements of how things should be done, which in turn causes breakdowns in communication |
| 19:58.03 | andrewsw | iluminator101: with much power comes much responsibility. ubuntu seems to strive for plug-n-play, just-works mentality with a preset environment. deb does not do this. you gain more flexibility, at the price of doing things yourself. my .02 |
| 19:58.33 | moldovean | iluminator101, try #debian-ubuntu |
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| 19:59.12 | moldovean | on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:59.14 | iluminator101 | well i had notes on my debian squeeze install i tried to encrypt notes and lost everything |
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| 19:59.49 | craigevil | iluminator101: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53708 |
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| 20:01.34 | GorillaPatch | Hello I got a problem installing git on debian lenny. When I try to install it with apt-get install git then it installs just the wrapper package around gnuit not the version control system git. |
| 20:01.51 | GorillaPatch | When looking it up on packages.debian.com they both have the name git |
| 20:03.09 | andrewsw | GorillaPatch: I think you want git-core |
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| 20:03.38 | GorillaPatch | andrewsw: I also tried that, but git-core is just a subpackage of git |
| 20:03.49 | GorillaPatch | so I still need git-arch git-doc and so on |
| 20:04.15 | iluminator101 | you know when ipad came out i was like umm very nice, i like the features, battery life is good, then i heard the price, i was like never this is a scam, now i heard about this $35 touch laptop from india, now thats more like what i need and right price range |
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| 20:04.53 | andrewsw | GorillaPatch: yeah, that seems right. It gets fixed up in squeeze, I think |
| 20:05.05 | GorillaPatch | OK |
| 20:05.24 | GorillaPatch | It is kind of strange that packages.debian.org says it is also a package for lenny |
| 20:05.26 | babilen | GorillaPatch: No you don't need those packages. git-core provides git - if you want additional functionality like "importing development history from arch repositories" then you have to install additional packages like git-arch |
| 20:05.28 | thewanderer1 | GorillaPatch: you can install git-core in lenny and it's gonna work |
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| 20:05.50 | GorillaPatch | OK thanks to all of you |
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| 20:06.37 | logyati | hello! |
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| 20:06.55 | logyati | how do i send the logs of a daemon to a separate logfile? |
| 20:06.55 | babilen | welcome |
| 20:07.08 | logyati | ithe program is iwatch |
| 20:07.30 | thewanderer1 | logyati: does it use its own log facility? |
| 20:07.32 | logyati | i know how to do it when i have the option on the program to set the syslog facility |
| 20:07.39 | babilen | logyati: configure your logging daemon - rsyslog might serve you well |
| 20:07.57 | logyati | thewanderer1, how do i check it? |
| 20:09.03 | babilen | logyati: Take a look at iwatch's configuration files and documentation (you might just find an option LOG_TO_FILE=foo/bar or something like that) |
| 20:09.10 | babilen | logyati: Where is it logging now? |
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| 20:10.22 | logyati | itts logging to /var/log/syslog |
| 20:10.53 | logyati | babilen, it has the option log to syslog |
| 20:11.04 | logyati | but it send everything to /var/log/syslog |
| 20:11.07 | logyati | its a mess |
| 20:11.11 | logyati | i want to separate it |
| 20:11.58 | babilen | logyati: That is because your syslogd is not configured to handle logs from iwatch seperately. You said that it has the option to log to syslog - does it also have the option to log to a different file? |
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| 20:12.45 | thewanderer1 | logyati: hack it and use a different facility |
| 20:12.46 | logyati | babilen, no, it doesnt have an option to log to a separate file. Is there a way to configure syslog to handle it? |
| 20:12.50 | babilen | logyati: Otherwise configure your syslogd - I would suggest to use rsyslog and have it log iwatch logs to a seperate file |
| 20:13.05 | logyati | i use rsyslogd |
| 20:13.22 | logyati | would you help me to configure it? |
| 20:13.31 | logyati | and then i will learn it forever :D |
| 20:13.47 | freeone3000 | How would I cancel an incomplete apt-get configuration? I need to update my kernel for udev, but a rather convoluted install chain requires me to update udev before doing anything else. |
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| 20:14.39 | thewanderer1 | freeone3000: just remove the offending packages, they will get deconfigured |
| 20:14.45 | babilen | logyati: http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/manual.html have fun ;) |
| 20:15.03 | jargon- | after spending the past 2 days on a squeeze netinstall *WITH* graphical env, post-installation reboot, does not boot into gnome. so i try `startx` and get this error: http://dpaste.com/221783/ so i try `aptitude install xorg` and it removes all the gui packages & co., that i just spent the past 2 days patiently installing. any ideas? please don't tell me i have to start over. :-( |
| 20:15.13 | jhutchins | Ah, the dangers of keeping root consoles on remote servers open... |
| 20:16.02 | freeone3000 | jargon-: Did you somehow remove gnome? |
| 20:16.15 | freeone3000 | jargon-: GNOME depends on the X11 client, which you're missing. |
| 20:16.34 | jargon- | freeone3000: i guess it's removed it now,when i installed xorg. |
| 20:16.38 | jargon- | what do i do? |
| 20:16.47 | jhutchins | jargon-: How was it you initially installed gnome? |
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| 20:18.35 | jargon- | jhutchins: at one point i got a tasksel with "Graphical environment" preselected. I also selected "SSH server" and continued. |
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| 20:19.32 | babilen | logyati: You probably want to place an additional configuration file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ that is (e.g.) named iwatch.conf -- You just have to figure out the correct rules |
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| 20:19.47 | jargon- | 2 days. i think i'm gonna be sick. |
| 20:20.20 | andrewsw | jargon-: the .debs may still be in the cache... you shouldn't have to redownload. |
| 20:20.27 | jhutchins | jargon-: Why would it take so long? |
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| 20:21.03 | jhutchins | jargon-: You don't sound like you're testing this, you sound like it's a system you're planning to use. |
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| 20:21.24 | jhutchins | jargon-: If that's the case, you should have gone for lenny. |
| 20:21.29 | Pinchiukas | Why does my mc look like this: http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/475/07232010145133.png ? |
| 20:21.34 | jhutchins | jargon-: Problems like this are expected in testing. |
| 20:22.01 | freeone3000 | I get the same problem as Pinchiukas while running mc in screen. |
| 20:22.26 | jhutchins | Pinchiukas: Your character set doesn't match what mc expects for drawing effects. |
| 20:22.40 | Pinchiukas | It persists out of screen. |
| 20:22.49 | Pinchiukas | jhutchins: my character set is UTF-8. |
| 20:23.17 | Pinchiukas | Sorry, I lied. :) |
| 20:23.27 | Pinchiukas | UTF-8 looks nicer. |
| 20:23.31 | jargon- | jhutchins: i use testing on a couple servers and it works fine. i've installed testing on the netbook in question before and that worked fine, except i couldn't get the broadcom wifi running. how do i get the gui back? i already installed xorg just now, but it removed gnome and its apps. |
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| 20:23.53 | Pinchiukas | But it still looks like this: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7250/07252010232342.png |
| 20:24.16 | freeone3000 | It may be helpful to read what it's removing before accepting the new configuration. Just install your DM of choice, and the dependencies will fall into place. |
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| 20:25.22 | babilen | !tell jargon- -about install gnome |
| 20:25.29 | jhutchins | jargon-: The problem is that testing is a moving target, so it breaks even if it appears to work initially. |
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| 20:25.50 | babilen | jargon-: I would start with one of the smaller gnome meta packages. (In particular gnome-core) |
| 20:26.07 | logyati | babilen, yes i found it :) |
| 20:26.18 | logyati | babilen, but i still need a little help here heh |
| 20:26.27 | logyati | babilen, the log line is Jul 25 17:20:59 Tester iWatch[584]: * Send email to root@localhost |
| 20:26.41 | babilen | jargon-: And please reconsider your decision to run testing on production systems |
| 20:26.42 | jargon- | babilen: do i remove xorg first? |
| 20:26.48 | babilen | jargon-: no |
| 20:26.49 | logyati | and i added :msg, startswith, "iWatch" -/var/log/iwatch.log |
| 20:27.04 | babilen | logyati: Looks like a good start .. :-\ |
| 20:27.07 | logyati | to /etc/rsyslog.d/iwatch.conf |
| 20:27.33 | jargon- | babilen: well, most people i spoke to said go for it, because testing is fairly stable. |
| 20:27.46 | logyati | it means that rsyslog should redirect to my logfile every log which starts with "iWatch" right? |
| 20:27.52 | logyati | babilen, its not working =/ |
| 20:28.38 | jargon- | babilen: ok `aptitude install gnome-core` is offering to install 0, remove 21 and upgrade 0. :-/ |
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| 20:30.45 | babilen | jargon-: You can run "aptitude unmarkauto" on selected packages that you want to keep. Keep in mind that *all* packages are just and "aptitude install pkg" away and that you might want to start with few packages |
| 20:30.47 | iluminator101 | how do i install go-oo in debian |
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| 20:31.30 | jargon- | babilen: but it's not offering to install anything. just to remove. |
| 20:32.00 | babilen | jargon-: Yes, because a the packages are already installed. Just run "aptitude unmarkauto pkg" on the packages you want to keep |
| 20:32.19 | babilen | jargon-: And install gnome-core which is a metapackage that depends on the basic packages in gnome |
| 20:32.39 | babilen | logyati: It's been a while since I configure rsyslog - hang on |
| 20:32.47 | logyati | ok |
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| 20:33.56 | jargon- | babilen: unmarkauto is also trying to take away 21 and give nothing in return .... |
| 20:34.02 | jargon- | is bummed |
| 20:34.16 | jargon- | guess i should have gone for lenny after all |
| 20:34.26 | rgr | why? |
| 20:34.44 | rgr | if your hw is new lenny would probably have turned you off linux for life. |
| 20:35.22 | mmnicolas | maybe not that much, unless he requires the news ath5k or something |
| 20:35.26 | jargon- | rgr: i've been on linux since about '97. if anything, ubuntu would have had the potential to "turn me off linux for life" |
| 20:35.28 | mmnicolas | or recent bluetooth adapter |
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| 20:35.43 | jargon- | rgr: my hw is an hp mini 210. |
| 20:35.51 | rgr | Ubuntu is not good for Linux adoption that is for sure IMO. |
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| 20:36.47 | jargon- | rgr: my first linux was suse,actually |
| 20:36.48 | omajgat | Hello, is any way to make lower usage RAM on mysql server? (is just clean install and use obout 128mb RAM) |
| 20:37.02 | Shadur | Argh! Gnome3 suddenly stopped working with no visible reason. Mutter (I think it's mutter) keeps rapidly crashing and restarting with some crazy JS error, docky insists that there's no composite enabled (there is; I tested with compiz and it's fine)... |
| 20:37.12 | babilen | jargon-: If you *really* want to keep all those packages just run "aptitude unmarkauto pkg1 ... pkgN" for all packages. If you want help in selecting a saner subset, paste the list of the packages aptitude wants to remove. do you understand why it wants to remove them? |
| 20:37.20 | thewanderer1 | omajgat, see /usr/share/doc/mysql* - there are some nice config examples there |
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| 20:37.33 | omajgat | kk |
| 20:38.13 | Blitzmerker | Hi, does anyone know how to get ISDN working on squeeze? |
| 20:38.48 | doors | is there a nice way to convert an ntfs drive to ext4 without backup/format? |
| 20:38.59 | doors | some kind of incrimental reformat tool? |
| 20:39.24 | logyati | babilen, i did it |
| 20:39.32 | logyati | the iWatch was the name of the program |
| 20:39.33 | logyati | :D |
| 20:39.35 | logyati | thanks |
| 20:39.51 | thewanderer1 | doors, resize your ntfs partition, then get some ext4 space, put your data on it, repeat |
| 20:39.57 | babilen | logyati: Great, I was just scrolling up to check your rule ... |
| 20:40.24 | babilen | logyati: Which rule do you use now? |
| 20:40.30 | doors | thewanderer1: I think I'll just buy another hard drive, its about 80% full... |
| 20:40.41 | logyati | babilen, :programname,isequal,"iWatch" /var/log/iwatch.log |
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| 20:42.04 | jargon- | babilen: it keeps trying to remove http://dpaste.com/221787/ |
| 20:42.12 | jargon- | babilen: and i don't understand why |
| 20:42.40 | babilen | logyati: Yes, you want to check against the property programname and isequal certainly is the best check. Great that you've figured that out. A good paper I found on ryslog configuration is http://www.ubuntu.com/system/files/CentralLogging-v4-20090901-03.pdf |
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| 20:45.32 | babilen | jargon-: Run "aptitude install gnome-core xorg" -- the packages are removed because no other packages depends on them anymore and they were not installed manually (but automatically, hence the unmarkauto) |
| 20:45.51 | babilen | logyati: Good that you've figured that out ... :) |
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| 20:46.37 | logyati | babilen, :D:D |
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| 20:46.51 | logyati | thanks for your help :) |
| 20:47.33 | jargon- | babilen: it's saying no candidate for gnome-core and the only xorg it finds is xorg-docs-core |
| 20:48.32 | babilen | jargon-: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy gnome-core xorg" please? |
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| 20:55.25 | omajgat | thewanderer1: I was loaded this 'smaller' - (This is for a system with little memory (<= 64M)), but still mysql use obout 110M :x Any idea? :( |
| 20:56.34 | omajgat | Mayby can i somewhere set number of childern process, beacuse is 9 active ;x |
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| 20:57.04 | jargon- | babilen: here's the apt-cache policy: http://dpaste.com/221788/ |
| 20:57.21 | thewanderer1 | omajgat: optimize the config, turn off TCP and all that cruft |
| 20:57.33 | omajgat | kk |
| 20:57.49 | babilen | !tell jargon- -about sources.list |
| 20:58.31 | babilen | jargon-: You are missing some repositories in your sources.list -- follow the instructions dpkg just send you and run "aptitude install gnome-core xorg" afterwards |
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| 20:58.49 | babilen | jargon-: IIRC you use squeeze, correct? |
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| 20:59.14 | jargon- | babilen: yes,squeeze |
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| 20:59.29 | moldovean | jargon-, new install ? |
| 20:59.49 | babilen | jargon-: replace <cc> with your country code (or another mirror from the list of mirrors) and replace "lenny" with "squeeze" in th example line. |
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| 20:59.52 | cdubya | is there no network manager included with the lxde live CD? |
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| 21:00.26 | barfster | What is the lsof equivalent in debian 3.1? |
| 21:00.48 | barfster | It tells me this: # umount /dev/hdc1 |
| 21:00.49 | barfster | umount: /var/www: device is busy |
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| 21:02.23 | abrotman | barfster: debian has slof |
| 21:02.33 | abrotman | and if oyu're using sarge, you sohuld seriously consider upgrading |
| 21:02.50 | babilen | jargon-: If you are unsure, paste your sources.list and i will have a look |
| 21:02.56 | barfster | I am in the processing of backing up |
| 21:03.10 | abrotman | barfster: lsof and fuser both exist |
| 21:03.11 | nsadmin | then don't upgrade yet |
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| 21:03.29 | nsadmin | and probably you don't want to install additional packages yet |
| 21:03.34 | barfster | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241681/ |
| 21:03.43 | barfster | apt-get install lsof: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241681/ |
| 21:03.43 | jargon- | moldovean: yes new install |
| 21:03.52 | moldovean | jargon-, yes, sure ;) installed w/o network (just forgot your 'case') |
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| 21:04.10 | barfster | # cat /etc/issue |
| 21:04.10 | barfster | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 21:04.12 | abrotman | barfster: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:04.40 | npmap | Hello. |
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| 21:05.17 | barfster | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241682/ |
| 21:05.27 | npmap | I moved a Debian install to an usb drive from another system and now I keep getting the dreaded volume group not found error. Is there something I should do to be able to boot it from the USB drive? |
| 21:05.34 | abrotman | barfster: see the instructions/notes at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 21:05.56 | barfster | notes? |
| 21:06.09 | barfster | The README? |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | see the website |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | yes, that would work |
| 21:06.17 | Pudgy | Is it possible to play sound (via mpg123 or something) through ssh? |
| 21:06.26 | nsadmin | he ought to finish his backup |
| 21:06.34 | nsadmin | what are you using to do this backup |
| 21:06.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's trying to unmount it to back it up |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | or so i gather |
| 21:06.53 | mfa | Does someone know when squeeze became freeze ? |
| 21:06.56 | jargon- | babilen: here's my sources.list: http://dpaste.com/221791/ |
| 21:07.17 | abrotman | mfa: it hasn't frozen yet, and there isn't a firm schedule |
| 21:07.26 | nsadmin | abrotman: hmm... he doesn't need to |
| 21:07.40 | abrotman | 100% sure of that? |
| 21:07.54 | nsadmin | not just for backing up... but noting that he has busy files, he's not in single-user mode |
| 21:07.54 | babilen | jargon-: You are missing a '/' in the fifth line - run "aptitude update" and "aptitude install gnome-core xorg" after you've changed that |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | nsadmin: do you know which backup software he is using? |
| 21:08.11 | abrotman | or which method he's using? |
| 21:08.21 | nsadmin | I asked, he hasn't replied |
| 21:08.21 | mfa | thank's abrotman |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 21:08.29 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 21:08.53 | jargon- | babilen: oh,that's a typo actually. in the sources.list the / is there |
| 21:09.10 | babilen | jargon-: you typed that manually? |
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| 21:09.28 | jargon- | babilen: yeah. i'm on a laptop. the netbook's the one being installed |
| 21:10.03 | babilen | jargon-: oh dear ... there are programs for pasting from the command line (which are probably not installed) |
| 21:10.08 | babilen | jargon-: So is it working now? |
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| 21:11.23 | jargon- | babilen: i haven't changed anything in the sources.list. do i change all the squeeze lines to lenny? |
| 21:11.40 | jargon- | babilen: i totally forgot about pastebinit |
| 21:11.51 | babilen | jargon-: no - you should run "aptitude update" |
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| 21:14.57 | jargon- | babilen: ok doing that now |
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| 21:20.37 | hesco | I have /var/log on a distinct partition and one log filled the partition. I mv'd the onerous log aside, but that failed to free up room on the partition, according to df. Any ideas how to rectify this situation? |
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| 21:25.28 | jargon- | babilen: ok, update finished. tried installing gnome-core and xorg. still the same not founds and trying to remove the 21 |
| 21:25.53 | jargon- | babilen: at this point i think i'll just go for a lenny netinstall. :-( |
| 21:26.11 | babilen | jargon-: hei - that is a minor thing. Just try a different mirror ... |
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| 21:26.49 | x4d | c |
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| 21:27.26 | babilen | jargon-: use "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian squeeze main" and run "aptitude update" afterwards ... (adjust your deb-src line as well) |
| 21:27.47 | abrotman | hesco: something may be holding the file .. restart the process associated with that log |
| 21:28.21 | hesco | abrotman: of course, that makes sense. thanks, will do |
| 21:28.34 | p_j | is bob2 about, does anyone know? |
| 21:29.05 | hesco | sweet, that was easy, 4gb free now on my logs partition |
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| 21:29.51 | abrotman | you should probably add the log to the logrotate stuff |
| 21:29.54 | hesco | I also added this directory to my logrotate config so hopefully this won't happen again. |
| 21:30.12 | hesco | yes, thanks, good advice |
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| 21:31.58 | cYmen | I'm trying to install a package but it wants to overwrite something from another package. |
| 21:32.09 | cYmen | I'm fine with uninstalling that but it won't let me it always wants to finish installing the former first. |
| 21:32.13 | cYmen | How do I resolve this? |
| 21:32.24 | abrotman | pastebin please |
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| 21:32.56 | cYmen | nevermind, could uninstall with dpkg -r |
| 21:32.58 | jargon- | babilen: ok trying with ftp.uk.debian.org for squeeze |
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| 21:34.02 | babilen | cYmen: which packages were that? |
| 21:34.25 | cYmen | babilen: some firefox versions |
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| 21:34.38 | abrotman | would wait for a pastebin |
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| 21:35.20 | babilen | cYmen: And therefore not packaged by Debian, but third party packages? The behaviour you describe would be considered a bug .. that's why I ask |
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| 21:41.44 | Pinchiukas | Why do the mc scrollbars look so ugly? http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7250/07252010232342.png |
| 21:42.37 | liable | what do you mean? |
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| 21:43.11 | babilen | liable: look at the scroll bar in the middle |
| 21:43.31 | liable | ah right |
| 21:44.08 | liable | ive had mc do something similar, something to do with utf8 iirc |
| 21:45.58 | jargon- | babilen: looking better! it's installing 223 pkgs and 0 removals! |
| 21:46.10 | solussd | so I ran apt-get update; apt-get upgrade git; on debian 4.0- it said it was fetching/installing git 1.7.1, but after all is said and done I still have git 1.4.4. Am I missing something? There were no errors reported |
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| 21:47.42 | joelmich_ | debian 4.0 is no longer supported |
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| 21:48.36 | solussd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.37 | abrotman | solussd: put the output in a pastebin |
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| 21:50.20 | solussd | ughh. found the problem by looking at the output- it 'kept back' git-core. |
| 21:50.22 | solussd | thanks anyway |
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| 21:50.38 | solussd | upgraded git-doc though! wooo.. |
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| 21:51.46 | babilen | jargon-: :-D |
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| 22:00.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions git-core |
| 22:00.22 | judd | git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.1-1; squeeze: 1:1.7.1-1 |
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| 22:07.35 | kur1j | I am trying to get a guest OS working with debian as the HOST os with KVM being the virtualization software...I have setup my bridge on the host correctly..do I need to also make a bridge inside of the guest OS? |
| 22:08.10 | abrotman | kur1j: you sohuldn't have to .. it should be setup like a normal system on your network |
| 22:08.49 | kur1j | abrotman: well the problem I am running into is that the external IPs that I need to assign to the guest oses are on a different subnet |
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| 22:09.14 | abrotman | that's not a KVM problem |
| 22:09.19 | kur1j | the main IP is 173.193.9.x and default gateway is on the same subnet. |
| 22:09.35 | kur1j | but the additional IPs are on 173.244.x.x |
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| 22:13.46 | barfster | I have a setup with 2 HDDs and would like to clone them to 1 bigger HDD, is this possible? |
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| 22:15.16 | frostschutz | barfster: way too arbitrary question, but usually yeah sure why wouldn't it be |
| 22:15.24 | fabian | I have got a module to load. rt2870sta (or something like that) for ralink. I've downloaded (From another Pc), untared and ran make. Now I have the .ko file. But they are not going to be loaded from start. I have to use insmod and the exactly path to it. Also after I loaded it manually, nothing works. lsusb detects my wlan usb stick, but then nothing. After the module is loaded, I typed... |
| 22:15.26 | fabian | ...lsmod to see how often it is used. The number was zero. Can anyone help me setup my network? |
| 22:16.00 | frostschutz | kur1j: depends on your network situation, I can set up additional ips all the same since my datacenter accepts them getting routed via the main ip. so the ips being in a different subnet does not matter at all |
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| 22:16.46 | kur1j | frostschutz: well I think softlayer does care |
| 22:17.15 | kur1j | however openvz and HyperVM does it, it works |
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| 22:21.21 | leafwiz | Hey, I just wondered if NILFS is supported by the installer? aka can the root partition be NILFS? |
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| 22:22.21 | Bushmills | nilfs2 is |
| 22:22.27 | Bushmills | oh - installer. sorry. |
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| 22:22.44 | Bushmills | nope, wasn't recently |
| 22:22.45 | leafwiz | yeah, i'm installing a new system on a ssd disk |
| 22:23.03 | leafwiz | would like the fastest fs there is.. :P |
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| 22:23.57 | Bushmills | afaik, nilfs2 hasn't made it to stable |
| 22:24.30 | leafwiz | you think its in testing? Its just a desktop |
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| 22:25.00 | barfster | frostschutz: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/241704/ |
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| 22:25.26 | barfster | I would like to make a new root system without partitions on /dev/hdc1 |
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| 22:27.48 | barfster | Pinchiukas: What could make a scrollbat beautiful? |
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| 22:27.52 | leafwiz | What would be a good fs for a ssd disk on the currently available fs' in testing? |
| 22:27.57 | leafwiz | reiser? |
| 22:28.56 | nsadmin | I'm trying to get both display outputs (laptop screen, rgb out) displaying the same x display at once... X says it's loading: "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so version 4.3.0" and sees: "PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] rev 0, Mem @ 0xe8000000/27, 0xfcff0000/16, I/O @ 0xc000/8" |
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| 22:30.56 | nsadmin | when I hit the key on the laptop that is supposed to switch, it turns off the laptop display to turn on what I have connected which is the projector |
| 22:31.17 | nsadmin | so, how do I get both on at once, showing the same thing? |
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| 22:36.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: usually you hit the button again |
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| 22:36.47 | nsadmin | I should try that again,,, but I did hit it several times and it just toggles |
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| 22:39.20 | jargon- | babilen: ok gnome-core and xorg installed. rebooted and it went back into cli. had to manually startx. how do i get it to autoboot into gnome? |
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| 22:39.57 | freeone3000 | xdm or gdm will do what you expect. |
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| 22:43.55 | babilen | jargon-: Install gdm |
| 22:46.18 | jargon- | babilen: ok i'll do that right after the broadcom install is done |
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| 22:51.53 | Sia- | jargon-, you can use xinit |
| 22:52.47 | Sia- | for example touch ~/.xsession |
| 22:53.20 | Sia- | or http://wiki.debian.org/xinitrc |
| 22:53.30 | Sia- | without xdm, gdm, ..etc |
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| 22:56.49 | rgr | erm, sorry, but google foo not working. how do I install a debug version (debug symbols) of a program? I need to debug emacs binary. |
| 22:57.28 | rgr | dont use xinit. that is asking for trouble. install gdm properly. |
| 22:57.33 | petemc | -dbg package |
| 22:57.39 | rgr | thanks |
| 22:58.15 | rgr | so "aptitude install emacs-dbg"? |
| 22:58.25 | lindi- | rgr: not all have -dbg. i use iki.fi/lindi/debug-build mostly |
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| 23:00.43 | rgr | oo, thats nice |
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| 23:12.51 | jargon- | trying to install broadcom-sta on squeeze with this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze and it didn't work,after this warning: http://pastebin.com/VEh2nEMh any ideas? |
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| 23:13.59 | jargon- | i got that warning after step 4, update-initramfs |
| 23:15.38 | rgr | lindi-: abspath - command not found |
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| 23:16.40 | _val_ | hello guys.. quick question.. where is the syslog.conf located |
| 23:16.42 | _val_ | it's not in /etc |
| 23:17.08 | rgr | /var/log ? |
| 23:17.10 | _val_ | it has created some log files in /var/log/syslog.1 ,2, 3 and so on. |
| 23:17.18 | _val_ | rgr: I mean the configuration file |
| 23:17.21 | rgr | sorry |
| 23:17.24 | rgr | tired eyes |
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| 23:17.39 | _val_ | hmm |
| 23:17.51 | rgr | /etc/default maybe? |
| 23:17.56 | petemc | _val_: you probably want rsyslog.conf |
| 23:18.16 | _val_ | petemc: yes thanks |
| 23:18.25 | _val_ | I was confused now I figured it out thank you |
| 23:18.29 | petemc | np |
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| 23:37.28 | internat | anyone know if there is an easy way to make find order results by date? |
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| 23:40.08 | abrotman | internat: perhaps ask #bash |
| 23:40.34 | llua | i have a samba share at "/Storage" the folder is NTFS and i am trying to set the permission for "others" so samba's guest account (smbguest)can view the share from windows |
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| 23:41.43 | _val_ | abrotman: maybe use the -mtime? |
| 23:41.55 | abrotman | i wasn't asking |
| 23:41.56 | _val_ | -mtime -14 |
| 23:42.05 | _val_ | oh my bad |
| 23:42.08 | _val_ | internat: ^^ |
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| 23:47.53 | mario__ | jejeje |
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| 23:55.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does Debian Lenny's version of KDE have plasma widgets and stuff or is it an older version without plasma? |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | lenny has kde3 |
| 23:56.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | k thank you |
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