| 00:00.06 | craigevil | p3rror: not that i know of, the wiki page lists a few packages |
| 00:00.29 | Ricoshady | craigevil. is there and easy way to figure out if I need those packages at all? |
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| 00:02.45 | jalalsfs | craigevil: That's not installed! |
| 00:02.53 | craigevil | Ricoshady: if you are running a server you probably need most of them, aptitude full-upgrade doesn't upgrade any of them? |
| 00:03.29 | craigevil | jalalsfs: duh, aptitude install, never said they were installed they are however in the debian repos |
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| 00:03.39 | mzb | Ricoshady, deborphan |
| 00:03.51 | Ricoshady | craigevil, no 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:03.55 | Ricoshady | mzb? |
| 00:04.04 | mzb | install ^ |
| 00:04.05 | jalalsfs | I installed jre-6u20-linux-i586.bin, Then I tried install jd.sh, but... |
| 00:04.06 | mzb | # orphaner |
| 00:04.11 | mzb | you'll get the idea |
| 00:04.37 | Ricoshady | I assume I need to install that first |
| 00:04.55 | mzb | hence "install ^" |
| 00:04.59 | mzb | yes |
| 00:05.49 | Ricoshady | ok, it shows me a list of packages |
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| 00:06.41 | Ricoshady | does that mean they are safe to remove? |
| 00:06.49 | mzb | works for me |
| 00:06.53 | mzb | check the manpage |
| 00:07.15 | Ricoshady | works for you in what way, just running the program? |
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| 00:07.54 | craigevil | Ricoshady: if you are absolutely sure do not need them, deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 00:08.18 | mzb | s/remove --purge/purge/ |
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| 00:10.17 | Ricoshady | deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove purge ? |
| 00:10.45 | likevinyl | ohhh... i love openarena |
| 00:11.16 | mzb | s/remove// |
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| 00:11.24 | mzb | nm |
| 00:11.26 | action09 | hi all ! On a Debian stable what's the correct upgrade process please ? ref: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_life_with_eternal_upgrades |
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| 00:11.37 | Ricoshady | deborphan | xargs apt-get -y purge ? |
| 00:12.47 | action09 | is it "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" or step need mandatory by doing a "aptitude safe-upgrade" between ? |
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| 00:13.53 | craigevil | Ricoshady: works either way with or without "remove" |
| 00:15.06 | Ricoshady | craigevil, truth is I dont know if I need those libs or not |
| 00:15.34 | Ricoshady | http://pastebin.com/RJ0b5FD8 |
| 00:15.52 | craigevil | Ricoshady: run it without the -y and with -s on the end, that will simulate the removal but not actual remove anything |
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| 00:16.28 | tharkun | What filesystem is recomended for a high availability server? |
| 00:17.14 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.25 | tharkun | on? |
| 00:18.02 | mzb | type of data, the apps that use it, the number of clients, ... etc |
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| 00:18.24 | mzb | (and how long your piece of wet string is) |
| 00:18.43 | Ricoshady | http://pastebin.com/eWTTRcHG |
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| 00:18.50 | tharkun | mzb: a network server mail, dhcp dns usual stuff nothing fancy |
| 00:18.59 | cast | a HA server is likely 2 servers |
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| 00:22.44 | tharkun | cast: meaning i have to get two servers and when things go brake in one fire number two to start answering calls? |
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| 00:31.45 | _EagleScreen | hello |
| 00:32.03 | _EagleScreen | please someone using Debian testing/unstable + GNOME |
| 00:32.04 | cast | tharkun: both will be on 24/7, but thats the general idea |
| 00:32.45 | tharkun | cast: ok thx |
| 00:32.54 | tharkun | !tell _EagleScreen about ask |
| 00:33.27 | _EagleScreen | i need a help to confirm one thing to close a bug or keep it open |
| 00:34.01 | _EagleScreen | anyone have seen if Gnome in Debian give warnings about removing usb-sticks unsafely? |
| 00:34.29 | _EagleScreen | I'd would like someone to confirm this |
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| 00:47.50 | craigevil | _EagleScreen: you might try posting in the forums http://forums.debian.net |
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| 00:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | _EagleScreen: This is really support for stable. A lot of testing people end up here, but they're supposed to be self-supporting. |
| 00:53.13 | lmaowaffle | upon configuring linux-base after a recent squeeze update, it says that there is still a deprecated entry in fstab (/dev/scd0) that may change when using a new kernel. Is this safe to ignore, as the device does not have a uuid associated with it |
| 00:53.30 | jhutchins_lt | ... and then there are people like that. |
| 00:54.18 | _EagleScreen | then make a channel for testing/unstable |
| 00:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | !uuid |
| 00:54.22 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 00:55.16 | tharkun | _EagleScreen: what part of self-supporting you don't understand? |
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| 00:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | lmaowaffle: Actually, since it's an sd already, you don't have anything to worry about. The problem was when hd* devices became sd* devices and the fstab couldn't find them. |
| 00:55.32 | lmaowaffle | jhutchins_lt: i understand |
| 00:55.37 | lmaowaffle | hence my question :) |
| 00:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | lmaowaffle: Actually, if you have hd* devices, it might get renumberd. |
| 00:55.44 | \amethyst | well, the order of sd devices might change if the kernel changes its enumeration |
| 00:55.50 | \amethyst | but scd0 is a cd-rom |
| 00:55.57 | \amethyst | so as long as you only have one it shouldn't be too bad |
| 00:55.58 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: yep |
| 00:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | lmaowaffle: See above for getting it a UUID label, or just cope if it changes. |
| 00:56.01 | _EagleScreen | the two words merged |
| 00:56.13 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: a UUID label for a cdrom drive? |
| 00:56.17 | lmaowaffle | my fstab previously either had uuid or label, no static device names |
| 00:56.20 | lmaowaffle | save for scd |
| 00:56.27 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: How do we know scd0 is a CD? |
| 00:56.33 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: the 'cd' |
| 00:56.38 | \amethyst | it's a CD or a DVD |
| 00:56.48 | tharkun | !tell _EagleScreen about pieces |
| 00:56.50 | jhutchins_lt | sca, scb, scc, scd. |
| 00:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like a generic Scsi Device to me. |
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| 00:57.31 | \amethyst | SCSI generic is sg? |
| 00:57.48 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: The fact that it has a 0 partition on it suggests it might be something other than a CD. |
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| 00:58.21 | lmaowaffle | jhutchins_lt, \amethyst: it's a bluray drive, it that helps |
| 00:58.23 | _EagleScreen | thanks, but i am not here for requesting support |
| 00:58.30 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: that's not a partition number, that means first cdrom device |
| 00:58.42 | lmaowaffle | it's not a disk drive, and hence no UUID associated with it |
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| 00:58.59 | lmaowaffle | well, i'll reboot and re-configure fstab if need be |
| 00:59.05 | lmaowaffle | thanks |
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| 01:01.23 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: you can check the kernel's Documentation/devices.txt if you don't believe me :) |
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| 01:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I did say "suggests", not "stamps it's foot and insists". |
| 01:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | should probably check the docs on that anyway. |
| 01:02.48 | \amethyst | I mean, it is possible to set up udev rules so that /dev/scd0 is something else, but you would be causing yourself pain |
| 01:03.24 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: can't you do that anyway, and symlink scd to it, if apps look for scd? |
| 01:03.40 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: i'm considering this because i have this blu-ray drive, as well as a dvd-rw |
| 01:04.01 | lmaowaffle | makes it easier to reference either rather than having to remember device name |
| 01:04.25 | lmaowaffle | symlink by way of udev, that is |
| 01:04.28 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: yeah |
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| 01:04.53 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: however, there's the same problem as with /dev/scd0 if you have multiple such devices |
| 01:05.04 | Dougdoug4 | HELLO! |
| 01:05.10 | Dougdoug4 | Why should I use Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 01:05.13 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: a new kernel might enumerate them in a different order, so that /dev/cdrom gets linked to the other device |
| 01:05.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | _EagleScreen, well, I'm on stable _and_ don't use gnome... can't you just add to the bug report and have the guy who submitted it tell you if it's solved or not? |
| 01:05.51 | orzo | Hello. I have a question about loopback mounts. I read (section 2.2 of http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README) that journaling filesystems should not be used on image files mounted loop-back. |
| 01:05.53 | orzo | But then, i vaguely recall hearing that there's been changes and improvements to the way loop files work |
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| 01:06.02 | orzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.08 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: ok |
| 01:06.19 | _EagleScreen | CutMeOwnThroat: I submitted it |
| 01:06.29 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: unless you have your udev rules identify it by vendor, for example |
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| 01:07.52 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: but I'm not sure of the details of that (which attribute to use etc) |
| 01:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (gnome + testing isn't such a high requirement, but then there's normally not more than 10 people active in here at the same time, so asking for a specific configuration rarely works) |
| 01:08.41 | _EagleScreen | I do not use Gnome yet, and I'd rather not to install it, i just tried the quickly way by asking someone here because i think this is implemented by upstream, but dont worry, i will find this out |
| 01:08.55 | lmaowaffle | I've had a bit of experience there in configuring multiple flash-media devices |
| 01:09.26 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: personally I just use /dev/disk/by-id/ for stuff without a label or UUID |
| 01:09.51 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: i've always wondered about that |
| 01:09.51 | \amethyst | and /dev/cdrom for the CD/DVD, but then I only have one |
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| 01:10.21 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: either i've missed it in the past, or it was introduced only recently |
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| 01:10.22 | \amethyst | it's been there for a while |
| 01:10.22 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: > 1 year ago? |
| 01:10.23 | \amethyst | yes |
| 01:11.41 | lmaowaffle | why is there md0 and md1 devices listed on my system? I haven't configured any arrays |
| 01:11.41 | lmaowaffle | or are they placeholders? |
| 01:11.42 | \amethyst | I don't know how long *optical* drives have been in by-id, but by-id has been there forever |
| 01:12.17 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: i guess that by following guides and such found online, i've only been looking for uuid or label in that dir |
| 01:12.44 | \amethyst | lmaowaffle: I found it by browsing /dev :) |
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| 01:14.48 | lmaowaffle | \amethyst: did the uuid for pata drives change come with latest 2.6.32 version bump? |
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| 01:15.07 | lmaowaffle | because it looks like my fstab is still the same. Both my /home and /root reside on a PATA |
| 01:15.26 | \amethyst | uuid is stored in the filesystem |
| 01:15.41 | lmaowaffle | linux-base |
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| 01:29.35 | likevinyl | is away: E+ OpenArena - OpenArena on Steroids! |
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| 01:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell likevinyl -about away |
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| 01:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, you browse /dev for fun? |
| 01:42.13 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: not on a regular basis, but sometimes |
| 01:42.21 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: /proc and /sys too :) |
| 01:42.31 | ootput | i browse /proc |
| 01:42.44 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you use /dev/disk/by-id in fstab? |
| 01:43.18 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: and about a year or two after I started using GNU/Linux, I did something like man /usr/man/man[18]/* and at least glanced over them all :) |
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| 01:43.29 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: for flash drives, yes |
| 01:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, that's sick... how many weeks did it take |
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| 01:43.57 | ootput | CutMeOwnThroat: for long string identification, it beats the gibberish that is UUID |
| 01:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just let usbmount mount usb drives... and have a softlink for the first one |
| 01:44.30 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: well, this was in 1996 or so, with a small Slackware install, so only a few days |
| 01:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't work so great if >1 device is connected |
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| 01:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 01:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l |wc -l 4372 |
| 01:45.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching |wc -l 4372 |
| 01:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup |
| 01:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -1 /usr/man/man[18]/* |wc -l --> 9 |
| 01:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think debian manpages go there |
| 01:46.38 | ootput | i thought they were mostly under /usr/share as docs |
| 01:46.42 | ootput | not as man pages |
| 01:46.53 | Misterangry | where's the option in the file browser to make it so that when I open folders, they open in the current window rather than open a new one? |
| 01:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -1 /usr/share/man/man[18]/* |wc -l ----> 6539 |
| 01:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that right now a windows question? |
| 01:48.15 | ootput | that's probably a Gnome question |
| 01:48.25 | ootput | windows default behaviour opens folders in the same window |
| 01:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome is windows? |
| 01:48.37 | Misterangry | yes, a Gnome question |
| 01:48.46 | ootput | *Windows |
| 01:49.34 | Misterangry | yes, I prefer what Windows' file browser does |
| 01:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "edit preferences behavior"? |
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| 01:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'always open in browser window'? |
| 01:50.57 | Misterangry | I'd like the current file window to just change to the new folder |
| 01:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does that... after it opened a 'cake - file browser' |
| 01:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what the stuff before is called, but then I never use it either |
| 01:51.54 | Misterangry | file manager |
| 01:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | calling nautilus wrecked my nice background image, btw |
| 01:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so one manages the files the other browses it? |
| 01:52.51 | Misterangry | I dunno |
| 01:52.55 | Misterangry | they both allow you to browse files |
| 01:53.08 | Misterangry | ah, well |
| 01:53.13 | Misterangry | file browser works |
| 01:53.15 | Misterangry | thanks |
| 01:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see much useful stuff in .nautilus |
| 01:53.44 | eikenberry | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/10/msg00077.html |
| 01:53.54 | eikenberry | maybe, if not to old |
| 01:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 01:54.17 | simonrvn | too |
| 01:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many .gnome* directories do I have? |
| 01:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't even use gnome |
| 01:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and .nautilus, too |
| 01:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, after rm .gnome* .nautilus when I call nautilus again, I only get the file browser, not the other windows |
| 01:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaw, now I've got a glaring green background |
| 01:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "struntzgrün" |
| 01:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, seems that thing from 2008 is what he saw... |
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| 02:15.59 | petekaz | Anyone else having issues with mke2fs on squeeze? mke2fs: /lib/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.17' not found |
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| 02:17.29 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: have you got libblkid1 installed? |
| 02:17.51 | petekaz | let me check. |
| 02:18.15 | petekaz | I know its it /lib, but let me see what package it came from. |
| 02:18.46 | petekaz | yeah. |
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| 02:19.13 | petekaz | but it's only 2.16 it seems. |
| 02:19.27 | petekaz | but mke2fs is complaining about needing 2.17. |
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| 02:19.55 | petekaz | I guess its a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583592 |
| 02:20.08 | petekaz | I just don't know what that answer means for me. |
| 02:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lib-black-kid? |
| 02:21.07 | Tramp | petekaz: wait till the package makes it into testing |
| 02:21.21 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: block (device) ID |
| 02:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | petekaz, it means you should take libblkid from unstable |
| 02:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or wait |
| 02:22.06 | petekaz | dumb question: (debian newbie) how long will that take? |
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| 02:22.59 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: http://packages.debian.org/libblkid1 |
| 02:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | easily answered: depends |
| 02:23.39 | _EagleScreen | doenload and install with gdebi or dpkg -i |
| 02:24.08 | petekaz | (again, debian newbie), I thought it was not a good idea to take things from new versions without actually creating a backport so as to not break a ton of other things? |
| 02:24.26 | eikenberry | backports are to stable. |
| 02:24.31 | petekaz | oh. |
| 02:24.48 | petekaz | so its safe to just download the deb and use dpkg -i to install? |
| 02:24.56 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: yes |
| 02:24.57 | eikenberry | probably |
| 02:25.15 | _EagleScreen | if this package is not installable in testing, it just won't be installed |
| 02:25.25 | petekaz | what if it requires a bunch of other deps? do I have to manually get all those debs as well? |
| 02:25.36 | eikenberry | petekaz. unlikely. |
| 02:25.51 | eikenberry | but yes. that would be the solution. |
| 02:25.55 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: if that happens, it is better to wait for the package reaches testing |
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| 02:26.37 | eikenberry | you could always go back to the previous e2fsprogs. |
| 02:26.48 | petekaz | well, it installed no problems! |
| 02:26.53 | Wyzard | which will only happen when all those dependencies reach testing too |
| 02:27.02 | _EagleScreen | :) |
| 02:27.06 | petekaz | and now I can actually make a filesystem! |
| 02:27.09 | eikenberry | petekaz. That is usually how that goes. |
| 02:27.09 | petekaz | Thanks for the help. |
| 02:27.24 | petekaz | I didn't know it was safe to selectively pull debs like thate. |
| 02:27.29 | petekaz | s/thate/that |
| 02:27.36 | eikenberry | from unstable to testing it usually is |
| 02:27.44 | eikenberry | lots of people run mixed systems |
| 02:27.52 | Wyzard | but it's not something to be done without a good reason |
| 02:28.04 | \amethyst | it's not necessarily, but in this case the dependencies aren't particularly tight |
| 02:28.14 | \amethyst | and there's no major transition involved |
| 02:28.24 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: no problem if you install some few packages like this case |
| 02:28.57 | _EagleScreen | petekaz: but if you mix testing and unestable, then you will find issues like this very often |
| 02:29.50 | petekaz | well, thanks again! I'm building a new machine, and have 2 1TB drives. One is the main drive with LVM on it. The 2nd drive, I was just going to make a single partition and rsync to it nighly. |
| 02:30.09 | petekaz | Imagine my surprise when I couldn't mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:30.32 | _EagleScreen | yop |
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| 02:33.19 | Wyzard | petekaz: Consider using ext4 instead of ext3 |
| 02:33.26 | petekaz | on which drive? |
| 02:33.32 | petekaz | my lvm drive or the backup drive. |
| 02:33.41 | Wyzard | I'd use it on both |
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| 02:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft... you misspelled it - everyone knows it's spelled "wizzard" |
| 02:34.28 | petekaz | hmm .. I wish I had known that before I installed everything. I just moved all my files from 2 old servers over to this machine. |
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| 02:36.31 | liable | i dunno if id use etx4 on a server yet, though i suppose if you backup regularly.. |
| 02:37.42 | petekaz | that makes me feel better like I didn't miss out on anything. It's only a home server, but I like low maintenance and if ext4 isn't entirely stable yet, I'd rather not risk it. |
| 02:38.09 | liable | i think it is pretty stable now, but still |
| 02:38.22 | Wyzard | It's fine in my experience |
| 02:38.33 | Wyzard | and has some performance advantages |
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| 02:38.43 | petekaz | is it easy to upgrade an ext3 to ext4? |
| 02:38.56 | petekaz | What the hell, I'm feeling adventurous. |
| 02:38.57 | eikenberry | according to google it is |
| 02:39.09 | eikenberry | ie. there are lots of docs on doing that |
| 02:39.13 | Wyzard | You can convert in-place, actually |
| 02:39.40 | Wyzard | The only change that can't be done on an existing filesystem is changing the inode size (ext4 bumped the default from 128 bytes to 256) |
| 02:39.42 | petekaz | great. I'll take a peek. |
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| 02:40.29 | Wyzard | and /etc/mke2fs.conf has 256 as the default inode size for all filesystems nowadays so even if it was created as ext3 it should have 256-byte inodes |
| 02:41.02 | petekaz | Wyzard: is there a command I can use to verify that piece of data? |
| 02:41.48 | petekaz | Wyzard: Since I literally built this system 2 days ago, I'm guessing it must have used 256. |
| 02:41.49 | Wyzard | petekaz: tune2fs -l /dev/whatever |
| 02:42.10 | Wyzard | Look for the line that says "Inode size:" -- it's near the end |
| 02:42.22 | petekaz | yup. |
| 02:42.28 | petekaz | Looks good. |
| 02:42.51 | petekaz | I'll give ext4 a try. Anything else new I should be trying out? |
| 02:43.38 | petekaz | I have 2 1TB drives in it and I would like to have tried software raid and lvm together, but raid won't save me from a fat finger. |
| 02:43.52 | petekaz | So I decided to dedicate the 2nd drive as my rsync destination. |
| 02:44.08 | Wyzard | A second drive in the same computer won't save your data from a fire |
| 02:44.25 | Wyzard | I use cron and duplicity to do regular backups to a remote location |
| 02:44.40 | petekaz | Wyzard: I know, but I don't have a remote location. |
| 02:45.04 | Wyzard | duplicity supports storing stuff in Amazon S3, though there's a fee for that |
| 02:45.06 | petekaz | If I have a fire, then I lose all my photos and source code. |
| 02:45.28 | Wyzard | My remote backup location is a fileserver at my parents' house |
| 02:45.34 | petekaz | Wyzard: at one point I priced it out and I thought it seemed expensive. |
| 02:46.30 | petekaz | Wyzard: now you have me all paranoid. |
| 02:47.04 | petekaz | I guess I'll have to burn DVDs periodically. ugh. |
| 02:47.15 | \amethyst | Wyzard: a fileserver at your parent's house won't save you from the earth cracking open... you need offworld backups :) |
| 02:47.33 | petekaz | good one! |
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| 02:48.16 | \amethyst | petekaz: get two external enclosures, leave one at home and one at e.g. work; back up to the home one nightly, and swap them weekly |
| 02:48.46 | Wyzard | petekaz: I'd originally written out a plan with my data divided up into several categories -- really essential stuff that needs to be backed up remotely, but is small so it wouldn't cost much to store in S3, and larger but less-essential stuff (like music) that would be OK to just copy to another local drive |
| 02:49.40 | Wyzard | petekaz: I set that plan aside when I realized I could just use the big fileserver I maintain for my dad, but I think that sort of planning is useful |
| 02:49.44 | eikenberry | Or multiple external drives + a P.O. box. Have to get the smaller external drives if you want the small PO box though. |
| 02:49.54 | Wyzard | Something like your PGP key is more valuable than some MP3s |
| 02:49.54 | petekaz | Good ideas. I'll just get 2 external drives and do the swap thing weekly. |
| 02:50.47 | petekaz | agreed (from someone who has lost his pgp key more times than I want to admit) |
| 02:50.48 | eikenberry | But parent/friends house is cheaper than the PO box. |
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| 02:51.23 | petekaz | Does anyone have any good suggestions for reliable external drives? |
| 02:51.31 | Wyzard | As far as actually doing the backups, I use some (moderately complex) custom shell scripts that I wrote as a front-end to duplicity, but there's a package called "duply" that seems to do the same sort of thing, that I've been meaning to try out |
| 02:51.34 | eikenberry | multiples is the only way. |
| 02:51.50 | \amethyst | petekaz: I just use ordinary desktop drives in an enclosure |
| 02:52.02 | DrCherry | petekaz: we have some of those 1TB WD externals at work and they seem fine. Connect with firewire though. |
| 02:52.07 | Wyzard | I'd suggest getting an external enclosure with removable drives, rather than an "external drive" that combines the hard drive and the enclosure in a single product |
| 02:52.10 | \amethyst | petekaz: that way I'm not paying the premium for the backup software etc. that I don't need |
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| 02:52.37 | petekaz | Got it. |
| 02:52.50 | Wyzard | I have two of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198008 |
| 02:52.53 | \amethyst | that said, LaCie makes some decent ones |
| 02:53.22 | Wyzard | eSATA for best performance when it's connected to my own computers on my desk, and USB for compatibility if I take it on the road or something |
| 02:53.36 | eikenberry | vantec enclosures aren't bad either. |
| 02:53.44 | eikenberry | for backups with rsync usb doesn't really matter |
| 02:53.47 | DrCherry | I'm running Lenny with alsa. I'd like to add a slave /dev/dsp1 ... how exactly do I start that with debian? /etc/asound.names? |
| 02:55.01 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like that one may be discontinued, but this one's still available: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=8023046 |
| 02:55.30 | Wyzard | same thing except shiny instead of matte |
| 02:55.35 | eikenberry | Wyzard. That's your wishlist. |
| 02:55.40 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:55.46 | Wyzard | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198011 |
| 02:55.52 | Wyzard | highlighted the wrong address bar |
| 02:56.11 | petekaz | Wyzard: thanks! |
| 02:57.08 | Wyzard | You can get a spare drive tray: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994053 |
| 02:57.22 | Wyzard | and just swap drives, without having to disconnect cables or anything |
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| 02:58.11 | petekaz | Wyzard: excellent. |
| 02:59.18 | eikenberry | Could also go with something like this... |
| 02:59.45 | eikenberry | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153066 |
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| 03:00.25 | petekaz | oohh .. I like that. |
| 03:01.06 | petekaz | like you said, for any rsync-based backup, usb will be fine. |
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| 03:01.25 | duryodhan | hi .. is there any reason why xev will think I pressed ctrl+shift+z when I press the win key ? |
| 03:01.29 | duryodhan | this is on KDE |
| 03:01.35 | duryodhan | google doesn't help at all |
| 03:02.34 | eikenberry | duryodhan. no idea. I get Super_R. |
| 03:03.34 | duryodhan | its the left win key .. I get super_l , followed by ctrl, and then shift and then z |
| 03:03.51 | duryodhan | is there an xev equivalent I can run only without X ? |
| 03:06.38 | eikenberry | DrCherry. I've messed with my .asoundrc quite a bit... dsp1? You working on oss emulation support? |
| 03:07.15 | DrCherry | eikenberry: yeah, I've got two programs that want /dev/dsp |
| 03:07.31 | DrCherry | can I see your asound.conf? |
| 03:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | eikenberry, if it would be trivial, you wouldn't find many documents describing it :-P |
| 03:09.02 | eikenberry | That's probably be confusing as I've got a lot of different various hacks in there but what the hell... hold on... |
| 03:09.47 | eikenberry | http://pastebin.com/mGqiY8ZC |
| 03:09.50 | DrCherry | yeah, I don't need that. I've just got a simple setup and need a /dev/dsp and a /dev/dsp1 for recording. |
| 03:09.59 | eikenberry | search for 'aoss' |
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| 03:10.04 | DrCherry | thanks. |
| 03:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, also, one little nuclear war and your holiday photos are goners |
| 03:10.37 | DrCherry | ooh slave.pcm .. I think I understand *trying stuff* |
| 03:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, thought I made it to the end of the backlog |
| 03:13.05 | eikenberry | DrCherry. Those links at the top of that are recent. Best asoundrc resources I found. |
| 03:14.04 | DrCherry | thanks, with enough docs I ought to be able to figure how to get these two ancient programs to both hook up to one input souce |
| 03:14.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !asound |
| 03:14.07 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 03:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might improve on that factoid if you have better ones (or add to it) |
| 03:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | also this really is the dmix factoid... might be worthwhile to separate the two (and shouldn't that be asoundrc, not asound anywy?) |
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| 03:17.09 | DrCherry | well it's /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc |
| 03:17.19 | eikenberry | CutMeOwnThroat. Don't see a pointer on how to do that in the /topic. Pointer to docs? |
| 03:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | do what? |
| 03:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | add a factoid? |
| 03:17.48 | eikenberry | nods |
| 03:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | just do "asoundrc is blabla blablablabla also see <dmix>" |
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| 03:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | (you might want to start "blabla" with <reply> if you don't want the "I guess ... is" thing but just the text you write) |
| 03:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, /msg dpkg help :) |
| 03:21.28 | eikenberry | thanks |
| 03:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, bot |
| 03:22.16 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 03:31.54 | MJennings | is there any terminal in gnome where i can use ctrl+c and v? |
| 03:33.38 | eikenberry | MJennings. xterm? rxvt-unicode? |
| 03:35.16 | MJennings | well in xterm ctrl +c will kill the app, i want to copy not kill |
| 03:35.23 | MJennings | copy text |
| 03:36.12 | eikenberry | Ah |
| 03:37.20 | eikenberry | not sure then |
| 03:37.44 | eikenberry | Could probably write a perl script for urxvt that would do that. |
| 03:38.15 | eikenberry | urxvt (rxvt-unicode) is extensible in perl |
| 03:38.18 | \amethyst | MJennings: in gnome-terminal you can use ctrl-shift-c and v |
| 03:38.26 | MJennings | oh |
| 03:38.26 | MJennings | thx |
| 03:38.42 | eikenberry | what he said |
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| 03:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | MJennings, but marking alone copies the text |
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| 03:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so pressing ctrl-c would be somewhat superfluous anyway? |
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| 03:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that the end of some netsplit? |
| 03:40.04 | MJennings | are you talking about on gnome-terminal? highlighting/marking doesn't auto copy it |
| 03:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I use xterm |
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| 03:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but ... are you _sure_? |
| 03:40.40 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: they copy to different places |
| 03:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | all terminals I know of under linux copy when you... |
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| 03:40.57 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: highlighting puts it in the primary selection, ctrl-shift-c puts it in the clipboard |
| 03:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, yes, I was going to suggest autocutsel next :) |
| 03:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was leading up to it... keeping him in suspense... |
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| 03:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | MJennings, it puts it, as \amethyst already pointed out, in the primary selection and you can paste with the middle mouse button... |
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| 03:43.20 | eikenberry | CutMeOwnThroat. You use autocutsel? Seems like it could either be handy or a pain. |
| 03:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would suggest you use autocutsel, if you want those two buffers synced... because what you don't want is remove the functionality of ctrl-c (although that could be remapped) |
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| 03:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eikenberry, or both? |
| 03:43.37 | eikenberry | heh |
| 03:43.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's pretty ok |
| 03:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, you can't use both buffers to hold different things anymore |
| 03:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but seriously, how often do you... |
| 03:44.30 | eikenberry | Yea... I'm not sure if I do that much anyways. |
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| 03:44.43 | eikenberry | Think I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
| 03:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember doing it sometimes |
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| 03:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... but then you get side-tracked and mark something else and the primary selection is changed |
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| 03:46.06 | eikenberry | I'm pretty much always in primary-selection mode. The whole ctrl-c/v thing is odd. |
| 03:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't use autocutsel all the time, only when using certain programs where it gets a pain without |
| 03:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... what's that... is there python/tcl or does python have it's own graphic package? |
| 03:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, tcl, I think it is |
| 03:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I start it, when I get too annoyed by some programs who can only use one of the two |
| 03:47.47 | eikenberry | The only thing that comes with python is its tcl/tk binding. |
| 03:48.18 | eikenberry | wx/gtk/qt tend to be used more now though. |
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| 03:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, I'm running autocutsel right now and wasn't even aware of it |
| 03:48.44 | acu | what happen with the ftp.us debian.org repositories |
| 03:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think because I did run some program with a tcl console quite a lot some weeks ago :) |
| 03:49.18 | acu | I want to update squeeze and it does not let me do that - is the server down? |
| 03:49.30 | acu | can anyone direct me to other mirror |
| 03:49.48 | eikenberry | http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ |
| 03:50.56 | acu | eikenberry: is this as good as the "original" |
| 03:51.05 | eikenberry | It's what I use. |
| 03:51.37 | eikenberry | I think it is an official mirror. |
| 03:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | eikenberry, ctrl-v inserts stuff where the curser is right now, the mouse positions the cursor, then inserts it in some programs (and then ctrl-v is more handy) |
| 03:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (they're also usual the programs that use ctrl-c ctrl-v keybindings) |
| 03:53.27 | eikenberry | CutMeOwnThroat. I do know what it does. More of a mental habit that I never got used to. It is always jarring when I have to do it in iceweasel or something. |
| 03:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | then hitting ctrl-v is a lot more convenient than positioning the mouse exactly where the cursor already is, anyway... |
| 03:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I think it's a bad design decision... middle mouse click should also insert at the current cursor position... |
| 03:54.32 | eikenberry | I still tend to use the primary selection paste unless I can't. Old habits and all. |
| 03:54.46 | eikenberry | CutMeOwnThroat. It does in vim. :) |
| 03:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | after all, you could easily click once more with the left key if you want to re-position |
| 03:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but only because vim totally ignores the mouse |
| 03:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know of any program where left-click repositions the cursor, but middle-click only pastes at current position |
| 03:55.40 | eikenberry | shift-button works even when it detects the mouse |
| 03:56.07 | eikenberry | at least in terminals |
| 03:56.11 | eikenberry | not sure about gvim |
| 03:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | er, what? |
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| 03:56.54 | eikenberry | If you use shift with the mouse button, with vim detecting the mouse, it works just as if vim didn't detect the mouse. |
| 03:57.19 | eikenberry | You know vim can detect the mouse in terminals if you "set mouse=a" |
| 03:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I don't think I've ever seen vim detect the mouse |
| 03:57.34 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: emacs, vim, and some other things do "paste at text cursor position" instead of at mouse cursor, though emacs you have to set it that way. |
| 03:58.09 | simonrvn | a lot more apps do that too, but some don't... i dislike that inconsistency. |
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| 03:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what drives me crazy is using some windows-convention program... mainly because I keep using ctrl-a and ctrl-e |
| 03:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | also ctrl-w, I guess |
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| 03:59.53 | acu | eikenberry, it works - thanks - though I still wonder why the original ftp.debian.org does not ? |
| 04:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's got its day off |
| 04:00.11 | eikenberry | acu. glad to help. |
| 04:00.13 | simonrvn | "select all" and what? oh yes, i dislike that too. "hey, i know, let's be newbie friendly!" how about being oldbie friendly, too! |
| 04:00.29 | eikenberry | nods. |
| 04:00.38 | eikenberry | That always pisses me off too. |
| 04:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I think center text or indent or something really weird |
| 04:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | *else |
| 04:00.50 | simonrvn | blah. weird |
| 04:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, trying gvim |
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| 04:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh! it reacts to mouse |
| 04:01.24 | simonrvn | meh, at least it's self-consistent. |
| 04:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's got a white background, the damn thing |
| 04:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yay, it indeed pastes at current cursor |
| 04:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | i stand to be corrected |
| 04:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | mark your calendars |
| 04:02.25 | simonrvn | i'm sitting |
| 04:02.50 | eikenberry | Hey... any tips for moving a mail server/imap server? Moving from a home server to a VPS. Should I just change the mx record, wait for propagation, then move imap? |
| 04:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | good for you! else you might have fallen on hearing that |
| 04:03.21 | acu | I have a laptop with a windows what is the grub -refresh command to find it ? |
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| 04:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny is grub1, squeeze is grub2 |
| 04:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian has update-grub, but it doesn't "search" for partitions |
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| 04:05.27 | afjameds | I heard grub2 is ugly |
| 04:05.34 | afjameds | heh |
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| 04:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I heard grub2 doesn't have /boot/grub/menu.list and you look pretty stupid trying to configure it the first time |
| 04:06.20 | eikenberry | heh |
| 04:06.28 | eikenberry | It uses /etc/grub2 or something |
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| 04:06.42 | eikenberry | Haven't upgraded personally yet. |
| 04:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the or someting part that's worrying |
| 04:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds reasonable with the mailserver.. never done it, though |
| 04:07.06 | afjameds | how can linux grub and windows 7 softmod crack coexist?windows 7 crack rely on grub4dos? |
| 04:07.07 | neoice | grub2 is a little strange |
| 04:07.19 | neoice | it autogenerates a lot of configs |
| 04:07.31 | neoice | so if you want to change stuff, you need to make like XX_myConfig in /etc/grub |
| 04:07.41 | neoice | or edit /etc/defaults/grub2 or something |
| 04:07.53 | neoice | I havent played with it. I reverted to grub-pc :) |
| 04:08.07 | neoice | or legacy. I forget what the package is called |
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| 04:08.18 | eikenberry | Is that a debian thing or a grub2 thing? |
| 04:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure it's a lot better and fancier and sleeker and everything |
| 04:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and within the next ten years we'll all learn to see that |
| 04:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | or twenty |
| 04:09.09 | afjameds | ten years?linux has disapeared |
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| 04:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, hurd will officially come out |
| 04:09.34 | eikenberry | So no sys-admin hanging around to help me with my mail question. |
| 04:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that it sounds reasonable what you said |
| 04:10.24 | eikenberry | scrolls back... |
| 04:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the question would be how you sync maildirs |
| 04:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 04:10.41 | eikenberry | Oh. From what I've seen rsync works fine. |
| 04:10.48 | eikenberry | Just rsync in prep. |
| 04:11.06 | eikenberry | Then shut down old, rsync again and then fire up new. |
| 04:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean when you get mails to the old and the new server because of different dns buffers |
| 04:11.25 | eikenberry | Oh. |
| 04:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's likely to happen, isn't it? |
| 04:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not :) |
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| 04:11.47 | eikenberry | I can be lazy about that I think. |
| 04:12.04 | eikenberry | Change the mx. Let things sit. Keep imap at the old server. |
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| 04:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's no problems when all emails are "fetched" from the server via imap |
| 04:12.38 | eikenberry | Once propagated shut down old imap server, rsync Maildir/ contents and fire up new imap server. |
| 04:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | because then you can fetch from both servers - old and new |
| 04:13.02 | eikenberry | Maildir means no overwrites. Old messages will merge into new messages on new server. |
| 04:13.09 | afjameds | anyone familiar with dnsmasq? |
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| 04:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | how would they do that?! |
| 04:13.22 | eikenberry | imap will see the accumulated messages on the new server as new messages. |
| 04:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsync will not |
| 04:14.26 | eikenberry | Sure. Maildir means 1 file per email. New emails on the new server will have their own files. As long as you don't use -delete with rsync it should just add in the files from the old server. |
| 04:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok |
| 04:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was thinking mbox |
| 04:15.22 | eikenberry | Yes... the rsync method relies on the maildir format. |
| 04:15.42 | Xenguy | mbox - just one *big* file :-) |
| 04:15.54 | Xenguy | like, megabox |
| 04:15.58 | eikenberry | afjameds. why you using dnsmasq? |
| 04:16.10 | Xenguy | er, mailbox |
| 04:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | messbox |
| 04:16.26 | eikenberry | afjameds. vs say unbound or bind or dnscache? |
| 04:16.43 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: there ya go, the real history, obscured forever ;-) |
| 04:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a real history? |
| 04:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | did we land on the moon? |
| 04:17.24 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: good point there :P |
| 04:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to convert from mbox to maildir? |
| 04:18.10 | eikenberry | yes |
| 04:18.20 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: I believe yes, there are converter programs |
| 04:18.20 | eikenberry | I did it a while back |
| 04:18.37 | eikenberry | nods. |
| 04:18.40 | eikenberry | Not super simple |
| 04:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... stupid question, of course it's possible, it's software |
| 04:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me rephrase... |
| 04:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there an _easy_ way to convert from mbox to maildir? |
| 04:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:19.19 | Xenguy | I think maybe sylpheed will automatically convert to Maildir ? |
| 04:19.24 | Xenguy | for example |
| 04:19.28 | Tramp | check the bot, check the bot, ...... |
| 04:19.42 | Xenguy | !mbox |
| 04:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said mbox was the default (legacy) Unix mailbox format. All messages in the mailbox are concatenated together. A new message is identified by a line starting with "From " (including the space). See also <maildir>. |
| 04:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, check |
| 04:19.45 | dpkg | checks cutmeownthroat's box for security holes...found M$ IIS |
| 04:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | omg |
| 04:19.57 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:20.00 | Tramp | !md2mb |
| 04:20.16 | Tramp | !mb2md |
| 04:20.17 | dpkg | mb2md is, like, a Perl script for converting <Mbox> mailboxes to the <Maildir> format, packaged for Debian. http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ |
| 04:20.19 | Xenguy | !maildir |
| 04:20.19 | dpkg | [maildir] a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by <qmail> and supported by <mutt>, see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html, or DJB's one good idea. Supported by <postfix>, <exim>, etc., several final delivery/filtering programs (maildrop, procmail) and IMAP servers (courier-imap, dovecot, cyrus). To convert from mbox to maildir, ask me about <mb2md>. |
| 04:20.20 | jaggz | anyone use mailman and postfix together? postfix is running mailman as 99 (nobody), but mailman wants its gid. I recompiled mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman like the docs say, but postfix itself still runs as 99 and mailman still wants the mailman gid. |
| 04:20.39 | jaggz | The docs say, if you can't compile it, set "the Mailman aliases" file to mailman and postfix will take that id when it sees it (unless it's root, where postfix uses a config setting). When I set /etc/aliases postfix warns at start that it's not owned by root. Anyone know what to do about this? |
| 04:20.41 | Xenguy | hrm, DJB |
| 04:21.06 | eikenberry | I used this one... |
| 04:21.07 | Tramp | the spec is quite fun to read, especially about how to make unique filenames |
| 04:21.08 | eikenberry | http://perfectmaildir.home-dn.net/ |
| 04:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if alpine can use that |
| 04:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's getting mightily slow on the mboxes |
| 04:21.57 | Xenguy | jaggz: it should probably be owned by root... |
| 04:22.07 | Xenguy | jaggz: I'll check permissions here... |
| 04:22.42 | Xenguy | jaggz: # lld /etc/aliases |
| 04:22.43 | Xenguy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 210 2007-01-07 19:52 /etc/aliases |
| 04:23.00 | jaggz | yeah I don't like it running as mailman. Just not sure what to do about this http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/mailman-gid.html |
| 04:23.06 | Xenguy | (alias for ls -ld ) |
| 04:23.17 | jaggz | lots of people get it but the instructions don't make sense.. I guess I could compile --with-mail-gid=99 ? |
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| 04:23.40 | Misterangry | why am I unable to set the time on the login menu to 24 hour format? |
| 04:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't you just set the gid bit on the binary? |
| 04:24.00 | phil__ | /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory is what I get when running ruby scripts in sidux |
| 04:24.08 | phil__ | any help? |
| 04:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 04:24.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sidux |
| 04:24.20 | dpkg | i guess sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:24.21 | jaggz | I put it back to root .. |
| 04:24.28 | Xenguy | ooh, OT |
| 04:25.28 | jaggz | I believe postfix is the thing setting itself to 99 for security.. then executing mailman -- mailman wants its own gid. I guess I could recompile it to take 99 -- I'm not sure what result that would be. |
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| 04:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say what'd be wrong with setting mailman sgid |
| 04:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I wonder why that isn't by default (or asked by dpkg configure scripts) |
| 04:26.49 | jaggz | maillistname: "|/path/mailman/bin/wrapper post maillistname" .. you think if I set /path/mailman/bin/wrapper +setgid it'll work? |
| 04:27.09 | jaggz | -rwxr-sr-x already there |
| 04:27.26 | jaggz | and root.mailman |
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| 04:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it should have that gid after its called |
| 04:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if mount-options don't prevent that etc. |
| 04:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if any program calls that wrapper, I don't see what the gid has to do with the previous program anymore |
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| 04:31.03 | jaggz | yeah, mount is normal. it's still complaining. I'm not sure how they got such a verbose output, but it's basically the same message: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-applications/129873-mailman-postfix-not-sending-mail.html |
| 04:31.10 | eikenberry | jaggz. You stuck with mailman? Asking as many other mlms just need an aliases entry. |
| 04:31.46 | eikenberry | In case you are just using it out of hand and don't need all its features. |
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| 04:32.12 | jaggz | so it seems the thing is this "mailman aliases file".. I have to find that |
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| 04:32.38 | jaggz | eikenberry, I used it for years, then just setup a new version. not exactly stuck with it -- do you have something else you prefer? |
| 04:33.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's sgid, you shouldn't need to tinker with the mail server calling that script |
| 04:33.20 | eikenberry | I'm no expert. Just run a couple small mailing lists. But I like mlmmj. |
| 04:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would try to find out if/why sgid fails |
| 04:33.48 | jaggz | ah, see.. "...completely forgotten about placing the aliases into mailman's own aliases file." |
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| 04:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. first thing, edit that wrapper and put something like "id >/tmp/bla" on top |
| 04:34.11 | OldParr | is there any antivirus for debian ? |
| 04:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell OldParr about search |
| 04:34.36 | jaggz | cut, yeah, I haven't done much development requiring setgid, but afaik, on execution, it changes the gid to the group-owner of the executable. So how is it seeing nobody anyway? :) |
| 04:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | calmav |
| 04:34.49 | eikenberry | clamav |
| 04:34.55 | jaggz | binary wrapper |
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| 04:35.12 | OldParr | debian-station:/home/wayuu# aptitude search clamav |
| 04:35.12 | OldParr | debian-station:/home/wayuu# |
| 04:35.14 | jaggz | should I wrap the wrapper? :) |
| 04:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... write a perl-wrapper that is sgid itself and calls the binary wrapper? :) |
| 04:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there might be additional restrictions for shell scripts but perl has sperl) |
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| 04:36.50 | rubygod | hi, splashy gives me timeout after 120 seconds. no messages on socket? |
| 04:37.00 | rubygod | on squeeze |
| 04:37.17 | jaggz | oh? shell script restrictions? (sperl? never knew about that) |
| 04:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldParr, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man suidperl" - can't give you a reference for the shell-thing (and I can't recall where/when that applies) |
| 04:39.10 | Misterangry | ..why is the ntp-server package missing? |
| 04:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | cheat... man suidperl gives me the perl manpage |
| 04:39.38 | eikenberry | OldParr. You should get 18 or so hits. I get that on lenny with only main. |
| 04:39.59 | Xenguy | orzo: I went back to debian from ubu too |
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| 04:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I meant you should do "apt-cache search virus scanner" :) but do pastebin your sources.list, you should have gotten hits - from main, no less |
| 04:40.25 | OldParr | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/4QYihwK3 |
| 04:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions clamav |
| 04:40.35 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; squeeze: 0.96+dfsg-4; lenny-volatile: 0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.1+dfsg-1 |
| 04:41.17 | simonrvn | use the one from volatile |
| 04:41.22 | eikenberry | OldParr. Someone else was reporting issues with http.us.debian.org servers earlier. |
| 04:41.24 | simonrvn | it got pulled from lenny |
| 04:41.36 | simonrvn | or the lenny one is too old |
| 04:42.07 | eikenberry | actually ignore that... makes no sense. aptitude uses your cache for searches. |
| 04:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have gotten hits with that |
| 04:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he could have updated when the server was not available or something |
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| 04:43.18 | eikenberry | true |
| 04:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like that must be it, because he's got the repos that have it |
| 04:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldParr, perhaps just run apt-get update again? |
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| 04:44.35 | eikenberry | http.us.debian.org seems to be there now? At least via the browser. |
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| 04:44.53 | dima_ | For some reason my php app is asking me to download it from my website.. I installed php5 and php5-cgi am i missing something? |
| 04:45.29 | eikenberry | Hey. debian-multimedia.org seems back up. |
| 04:45.41 | eikenberry | Could probably remove that bit from the /topic now. |
| 04:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that was in the topic? |
| 04:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 04:46.22 | OldParr | after i changed my motherboard the epiphany looks in strange colors but iceweasel works fine how do i fix that ? |
| 04:46.43 | eikenberry | Well, dpkg has the right info if the /topic doesn't exactly. |
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| 04:46.46 | jaggz | now my mail went nowhere.. I wonder what happened :) |
| 04:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | apply for job as magician... |
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| 04:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !clamav |
| 04:48.50 | dpkg | Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) is a GPL/FLOSS anti-virus toolkit for Unix-like systems, mainly used with a <MTA> for virus scanning. Install the clamav-freshclam package to automatically update virus definitions. Security support has ended for Lenny (DSA-1906-1), use the version in <debian-volatile> instead. "OUTDATED" warnings are a known issue (wontfix), see Debian bug #418963. http://www.clamav.net/ #clamav on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !amavis |
| 04:48.53 | dpkg | AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner) scans e-mail attachments for viruses using third-party virus scanners available for Unix environments. It resides on a Unix (Linux) machine and looks through the attached files arriving via e-mail, generates reports when a virus is found and sets the delivery on hold. Packaged for Debian as amavisd-new and amavisd-new-milter. http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ #amavis on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:49.22 | jaggz | lol |
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| 04:49.52 | rubygod | !lol |
| 04:49.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | lawl! |
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| 04:58.40 | solifugus | Installed source and build-dep for the game "glest".. but it's ./configure says: configure: error: You need to have OpenGL headers and libraries installed |
| 04:59.07 | dima_ | just needed to restart apache |
| 04:59.14 | dima_ | simple :p |
| 04:59.18 | dima_ | thanks |
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| 04:59.22 | solifugus | What am I missing? libgl1-mesa-dev was already installed? |
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| 05:04.36 | OldParr | thanks |
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| 05:05.28 | LinuxNIT | i am trying to follow the instructions on booting from a usb drive... i have the system booting but its failing to find the netinstal iso that i copied to the usb drive... any tips? |
| 05:05.57 | LinuxNIT | debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso << thats the iso im trying to use |
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| 05:25.31 | acathur | LinuxNIT: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 05:25.38 | acathur | may be helpful |
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| 05:28.53 | nsadmin | LinuxNIT are you following the simple way or the flexible way? |
| 05:29.11 | LinuxNIT | flexible cause i couldnt get simple to boot |
| 05:29.24 | LinuxNIT | think i was missing the install-mbr cmd at that point |
| 05:29.41 | LinuxNIT | so i tried flexible... then saw that command and it is booting |
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| 05:30.37 | nsadmin | so the flexible way lets you define the dir structure... what dir did you put the image in? |
| 05:31.38 | WormFood | is gthumb giving anyone else a seg fault on squeeze? |
| 05:32.08 | LinuxNIT | nsadmin, ls /media/disk/ |
| 05:32.09 | LinuxNIT | debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso initrd.gz ldlinux.sys syslinux.cfg vmlinuz |
| 05:32.21 | LinuxNIT | thats all that is on the partition |
| 05:34.51 | LinuxNIT | nsadmin, am i missing something? |
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| 05:35.57 | nsadmin | so it's definitely there... why don't you check ldlinux.sys and see if it needs editing |
| 05:36.38 | LinuxNIT | is it text? |
| 05:36.54 | LinuxNIT | sorry first attempt to usb boot |
| 05:37.30 | nsadmin | oh oops, meant the config file |
| 05:37.41 | LinuxNIT | syslinux.cfg? |
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| 05:37.54 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 05:38.04 | LinuxNIT | i created it with the defaults in the howto |
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| 05:38.12 | LinuxNIT | default vmlinuz |
| 05:38.12 | LinuxNIT | append initrd=initrd.gz |
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| 05:39.13 | nsadmin | so that's the whole thing... |
| 05:39.24 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 05:39.29 | LinuxNIT | smiles sheepishly |
| 05:39.39 | nsadmin | and when you boot, it does load the initrd and does boot the kernel? |
| 05:40.01 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 05:40.29 | LinuxNIT | it gets to the menus for the install process... and starts looking for the install media/iso |
| 05:40.40 | nsadmin | how does it know what to look for? |
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| 05:41.20 | LinuxNIT | i dunno i assumed it had a default list of isos... the howto didnt say anything about specifying the iso name |
| 05:42.50 | nsadmin | that sounds right... |
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| 05:43.16 | nsadmin | but I wonder if there's a way to find out for sure what the deal is |
| 05:43.23 | LinuxNIT | have you done this before? |
| 05:43.33 | nsadmin | I think I used the simple way once |
| 05:43.54 | LinuxNIT | maybe i should try that again and use the install-mbr cmd to get it booting |
| 05:44.24 | nsadmin | what does the install-mbr cmd do, and what parameters does it take? |
| 05:45.44 | LinuxNIT | the howto just said to run install-mbr /dev/sdX |
| 05:45.45 | nsadmin | I'm not seeing where it knows the image... maybe install-mbr is the key? |
| 05:45.55 | nsadmin | or not |
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| 05:46.52 | nsadmin | let me look at the docs... btw what exactly are you trying to install |
| 05:47.11 | LinuxNIT | lenny amd64 |
| 05:47.11 | nsadmin | oh, the amd64 lenny |
| 05:47.23 | nsadmin | yeah, scrolled up and found it |
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| 05:49.11 | nsadmin | ok so let me find those instructions |
| 05:49.33 | LinuxNIT | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:49.38 | LinuxNIT | thats what im looking at |
| 05:50.42 | nsadmin | hmm. interesting... is there any indication that the booted kernel supports your net card? |
| 05:51.46 | LinuxNIT | network card? |
| 05:52.05 | LinuxNIT | dunno i never got to the network setup |
| 05:52.19 | nsadmin | yeah, like, do you notice it loading modules? |
| 05:52.36 | LinuxNIT | i didnt look that close |
| 05:53.04 | LinuxNIT | why would that affect it finding an iso ? |
| 05:54.27 | LinuxNIT | let me try the simple method again and see if that works |
| 05:54.58 | nsadmin | well I checked the top of the doc you're looking at and I saw the all-network install method mentioned |
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| 05:55.45 | nsadmin | and I figure that's something to try if your net card is supported early in the boot process |
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| 05:58.26 | ikhider | hello all, I just installed Debian. How do I install nvidia drivers? |
| 05:58.59 | nsadmin | let;s see what the bot says |
| 05:59.02 | liable | i think they package them even as modules these days |
| 05:59.03 | nsadmin | !nvidia |
| 05:59.03 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:59.32 | nsadmin | oh that's how to build the package but if liable is right, you don't need to |
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| 06:00.01 | liable | !nvidia-prebuilt |
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| 06:00.04 | ikhider | I figured there would be an easier way, like a little drop file and click a nice neat little icon |
| 06:00.14 | liable | !nvidiapre-built |
| 06:00.20 | liable | !nvidia pre-built |
| 06:00.20 | dpkg | [nvidia pre-built] For Lenny/2.6.26 users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>. |
| 06:00.27 | liable | third times a charm.. |
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| 06:01.21 | liable | haha, dream on, this is debian :P |
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| 06:03.30 | ikhider | liable: Thanks, once I install, how do I activate it? |
| 06:03.44 | liable | restart x and it should use it |
| 06:03.56 | ikhider | liable: You mean reboot? |
| 06:04.06 | liable | that or restart x. |
| 06:04.17 | ikhider | liable: Okay, i will give it a shot, thank you! |
| 06:04.22 | liable | yw |
| 06:05.13 | liable | i bet he didnt do the whole lot.. |
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| 06:08.50 | khider | liable: You there? |
| 06:08.59 | liable | yes, why? |
| 06:09.08 | khider | I cannot get onto teh GUI anymore |
| 06:09.18 | khider | Luckilly I have a back up machine |
| 06:09.41 | liable | then read what your xorg log says |
| 06:09.59 | liable | did you install all that stuff the factoid said, and run the config program? |
| 06:10.21 | liable | or did you just install the modules? |
| 06:10.25 | khider | liable: Yeah, but I guess something is missing |
| 06:10.31 | khider | Probably have to re-install |
| 06:11.02 | khider | Bad day for machines for me |
| 06:11.21 | liable | did you install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig and then run nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? |
| 06:11.33 | khider | yep |
| 06:12.00 | liable | ok, read your xorg log and see what it failed on |
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| 06:16.15 | nsadmin | LinuxNIT hows it going |
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| 06:16.21 | khider | liable, got the x back |
| 06:16.29 | LinuxNIT | cant get it to boot with the simple version |
| 06:16.38 | khider | Okay, how do I configure it for two monitors? |
| 06:16.40 | LinuxNIT | even after runing install-mbr /dev/sdc |
| 06:17.18 | nsadmin | how far does the boot get? |
| 06:17.33 | LinuxNIT | it just boots to my hd instead of the usb |
| 06:17.42 | LinuxNIT | acts like its not there |
| 06:17.54 | liable | does your bios support booting from usb? |
| 06:18.01 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 06:18.05 | nsadmin | he was booting before |
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| 06:18.17 | nsadmin | it just wouldn't find the image |
| 06:18.20 | LinuxNIT | i can get it to boot to usb using the flexible method but it wont find the install media/iso |
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| 06:18.32 | liable | oh, you're installing? |
| 06:18.37 | LinuxNIT | trying to |
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| 06:20.52 | Bartholemule | what format is your usb stick formatted too? |
| 06:21.11 | Bartholemule | ntfs, fat32? |
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| 06:22.04 | LinuxNIT | fat16 |
| 06:22.16 | Bartholemule | ok good stuff |
| 06:22.43 | LinuxNIT | its booting and reading files off the stick... just dosent find the iso... for whatever reason |
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| 06:23.39 | liable | you dont have internet on that box or something? |
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| 06:24.09 | LinuxNIT | i do |
| 06:24.23 | loddon | get a warning "The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when trying to install acroread. where's the problem? |
| 06:24.32 | liable | didnt you say it worked using the easy way? |
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| 06:25.17 | khider | Anyone know how to get dual monitors on Debian? |
| 06:25.20 | LinuxNIT | no i said it would not even boot using the simple method... it acts like the usb drive is not there... using flexible it boots but does not find the iso for the install media (debian amd64 netinstall iso) |
| 06:25.34 | khider | I googled it but think the info that came up to be dated |
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| 06:26.36 | liable | gawd, you are almost making me go and read that chapter of the IG .. almost |
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| 06:34.07 | khider | I guess configuring debian for dual monitors is a bit of a process |
| 06:35.01 | Bartholemule | I never tried with debian but i did it with ubuntu and it was quite the process with that |
| 06:35.13 | Bartholemule | worth it though, worked well |
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| 06:35.32 | khider | Bartholemule: No process with Ubuyntu, it is automated |
| 06:36.12 | khider | Bartholemule: With Debian it seems you need a text editor and you have to manually chaneg the configuration files |
| 06:37.07 | Bartholemule | yeah ok |
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| 06:38.14 | khider | Maybe time to switch distros. If I have to do everything manually, I might as well use Slackware |
| 06:38.48 | khider | But Ubuntu royally sucks--Debian is more stable than Ubuntu |
| 06:39.24 | \amethyst | lots of people come here complaining about it being too stable :) |
| 06:40.49 | Bartholemule | khinder: do you have ati video card or Nvidia? |
| 06:41.01 | khider | Bartholemule: Nvidia |
| 06:42.15 | Bartholemule | yeah last time i used ubuntu i had to do it manually as well |
| 06:42.17 | jelly-home | hey if you like slackware, by all means go use it! |
| 06:43.07 | Arafangion | it depends on the monitor and card, really |
| 06:43.18 | khider | jelly-home: how to configure dual monitors? |
| 06:43.25 | Bartholemule | mine may have been too new at the time |
| 06:43.39 | Bartholemule | Nvidia gtx 295 |
| 06:43.42 | khider | I looked it up I get referred to Gentoo tutorials |
| 06:43.55 | Arafangion | Bartholemule: From memory, those worked fine as long as you used NVidia's tools. |
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| 06:44.16 | khider | Arafangion: Nvidia tools? |
| 06:44.23 | Arafangion | khider: Yes. |
| 06:44.31 | jelly-home | khider: I have no experience with nvidia, don't know if it uses proprietary tools or xrandr |
| 06:44.33 | khider | Arafangion: Whassat? |
| 06:44.49 | Arafangion | khider: Tools provided by Nvidia as part of their drivers package? |
| 06:45.22 | khider | Arafangion: How to summon this Nvidia Tools? |
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| 06:45.42 | khider | Arafangion: Come back here! |
| 06:45.49 | khider | *sigh* |
| 06:45.54 | Arafangion | khider: nvidia-settings is the name of the tool on my system. |
| 06:46.20 | Arafangion | khider: My work collegues are more patient than you! |
| 06:46.48 | khider | nvidia-settings:command not found |
| 06:46.59 | Arafangion | !installit |
| 06:46.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 06:47.00 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 06:47.00 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 06:48.19 | khider | There are different ways to install, and Google is littered with olde ways of installing |
| 06:48.45 | jelly-home | also, |
| 06:48.47 | jelly-home | !xrandr |
| 06:48.47 | dpkg | from memory, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 06:51.48 | raz | anyone know how to add more device nodes (/dev/sd*) with udev? udev seems to stop auto-generating them after /dev/sdt, but i need moarrrr |
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| 06:53.00 | jelly-home | raz: udev generates them when kernel asks it to. Do you have more sd devices visible or not? |
| 06:54.03 | raz | jelly-home: this is on ec2. attaching ebs volumes worked all the way to /dev/sdt (although the docs claim it'd only work to /dev/sdp), but well, above /dev/sdt no luck |
| 06:54.28 | raz | note i also can't actually *see* those nodes in /dev, but they exist when trying to access them |
| 06:54.35 | raz | (see == ls) |
| 06:55.31 | raz | oh..urgh |
| 06:55.36 | raz | n/m, just learned this is an EBS limit :( |
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| 07:38.35 | icebubble | Hi all. |
| 07:39.04 | icebubble | I'm trying to update a server from ethch(nhalf) to lenny. |
| 07:39.55 | icebubble | I only have ssh access, and after upgrading and reboot I can't connect on the server anymore. |
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| 07:41.02 | icebubble | Lenny release notes says that network interfaces may have diferent names than in etch, since udev is used to detect things. |
| 07:41.39 | ootput | can you ping the machine? |
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| 07:42.08 | icebubble | My problem is, I did upgraded, and now I want "freeze" my network inerfaces config. (this is an advice from the release notes) |
| 07:42.30 | icebubble | Before rebooting the machine |
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| 07:43.16 | ootput | but you've already rebooted, right? |
| 07:43.20 | icebubble | no |
| 07:43.40 | icebubble | If I do I wont be able to ssh |
| 07:44.04 | icebubble | did you understood my problem ? |
| 07:44.39 | ootput | apparently not, heh |
| 07:44.56 | icebubble | If I reboot, eth0 will become eth1 and the server becomes unreachable from me, even if correctly upgraded. |
| 07:45.24 | icebubble | I need udev to preserve the order of my inteerfaces. |
| 07:45.26 | ootput | perhaps temporarily create a new entry for eth1 in interfaces |
| 07:45.39 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 07:45.39 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 07:46.00 | ootput | or that.. |
| 07:46.13 | icebubble | Yep, thats what I'm trying to do |
| 07:46.25 | icebubble | cahoot, have you ever used this feature |
| 07:46.28 | icebubble | ? |
| 07:46.59 | ootput | if machine only has one net interface, why go to all the trouble of a udev rule? |
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| 07:47.21 | dalias | ootput, :) |
| 07:47.36 | icebubble | ootput, what else can I do ? |
| 07:47.56 | cahoot | icebubble: already looked at the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
| 07:47.58 | dalias | linux 'progress' is all about supporting off-the-wall corner case crap at the expense of making everything difficult for ordinary joes :) |
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| 07:48.11 | ootput | icebubble: where'd you get the info on the replacement of eth0 with eth1? |
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| 07:48.38 | icebubble | ootput, lenny release notes |
| 07:48.38 | ootput | dalias: yeah, seems like |
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| 07:50.16 | icebubble | cahoot, I took a look at it and it seems ok |
| 07:50.54 | cahoot | so there should be no renaming of interfaces then |
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| 07:51.35 | icebubble | cahoot, ok this file was created when runnig the command udevadm test /class/net/eth0 ! |
| 07:52.31 | icebubble | cahoot, It should not have been created, test is not supposed to create any files ! |
| 07:52.42 | ootput | icebubble: per chapter 4.6.2, it's only (potentially) an issue if you have 2 network interfaces |
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| 07:53.13 | icebubble | ootput... so maybe I got another problem. |
| 07:53.38 | icebubble | ootput, hoster support told me to doublecheck the bootloader |
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| 07:54.59 | djura-san | morgen o/ |
| 07:55.02 | ootput | is the hoster referring to initramfs (specifically /etc/initramfs-tools/modules)? |
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| 07:59.09 | neoice | so my actual understanding of nsswitch is a bit hazy, but I've used various stuff and it looks like some things dont respect it. is this true? is there I way I could get say, iftop, to display Samba names over DNS names? |
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| 08:00.00 | mkad | Hi |
| 08:00.06 | mkad | anyone has old initscripts? |
| 08:00.12 | mkad | I mean previous version:( |
| 08:00.22 | mkad | I upgraded and it fails to install, I need to downgrade |
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| 08:01.00 | dondelelcaro | mkad: what did you upgrade, what failed to install, and what was the error message? |
| 08:01.12 | neoice | or does WINS not support reverse lookups at all? |
| 08:01.22 | mkad | dondelelcaro, initscripts |
| 08:01.37 | mkad | dondelelcaro, #585493 - Fails to upgrade, insserv bails due to loop (Fixed: 2.88dsf-9) |
| 08:02.27 | mkad | oh there is one in incoming |
| 08:02.39 | dondelelcaro | mkad: so use the -9 version, or downgrade to -7 which is in testing |
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| 08:08.58 | rioch | is debian suitable as a server? |
| 08:09.06 | nsadmin | sure |
| 08:09.32 | nsadmin | what will you serve and how many? |
| 08:10.16 | rioch | nsadmin: Just a home server. Firstly a file server, but possible also print server (and maybe other things later). |
| 08:10.32 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow make that the contents of ~/bin/ would be linked to /usr/bin/ |
| 08:10.37 | rioch | nsadmin: I'd like to store user's home directories on it (if that is a smart thing to do...im not sure) |
| 08:10.43 | nsadmin | it'll work great as that |
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| 08:11.35 | icebubble | what is a "XEN" kernel ? |
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| 08:11.53 | rioch | nsadmin: you know of any good guides to settings up a debian file server? |
| 08:11.58 | nsadmin | you'll want to run stable for a server, and partition so you have separate /home, /usr, /var, /tmp at minimum |
| 08:12.30 | nsadmin | likely you will want lvm eventually... and if that's the case you should just go for that now |
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| 08:13.22 | nsadmin | one thing you're doing by having all those partitions separate, is protecting / from filling up |
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| 08:15.03 | JyZyXEL | isn't /boot usually separated too |
| 08:15.12 | nsadmin | it can be |
| 08:15.33 | JyZyXEL | it makes things easier when the root is on crypto |
| 08:15.36 | AppDeb | nsadmin, why would it fill up btw? |
| 08:15.43 | nsadmin | doesn't have to be if / is bootable by grub and on a primary partition |
| 08:15.45 | nsadmin | crypto? |
| 08:15.54 | JyZyXEL | dm-crypt |
| 08:15.55 | nsadmin | you don't necessarily need crypto |
| 08:16.18 | nsadmin | unless you're a nambla member and you're trying to protect other members |
| 08:17.14 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:17.17 | rioch | nsadmin: recommendations for partition sizes? |
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| 08:19.38 | nsadmin | if you do separate off /boot, then you can have an lvm / and at that point everything's totally resizable |
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| 08:22.44 | nsadmin | except /boot which will need to be on a primary partition and probably close to the start of the drive |
| 08:23.40 | smhar | so far, I like the gnome-shell, I am using it on my notebook and it performs nicely, even speed-wise, not like the slow performance it had on my desktop computer |
| 08:24.06 | JyZyXEL | what env does system(); get? |
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| 08:24.43 | nsadmin | probably the env of the process it's running on |
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| 08:25.30 | nsadmin | you shouldn't be using system() unless it's some one-off script |
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| 08:26.02 | JyZyXEL | irexec from lirc package uses it to execute commands |
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| 08:26.45 | JyZyXEL | changing the PATH for it is a nightmare |
| 08:26.57 | nsadmin | and it;s not that good of an idea for them to do that |
| 08:27.15 | nsadmin | you don't want to use $PATH in system() |
| 08:27.31 | nsadmin | instead you want to call the commands by their full pathname |
| 08:27.46 | rioch | nsadmin: so /boot is separate, then an extended partition which is lvm, and then on that I can create (and later resize) other partitions? |
| 08:28.15 | nsadmin | you could have the lvm pv on a logical parition |
| 08:28.36 | nsadmin | what do you mean extended |
| 08:29.15 | nsadmin | you could put the lvm pv on a primary partition |
| 08:29.16 | JyZyXEL | i hate having hardcoded paths, especially to my home cause it contains the username variable |
| 08:29.18 | rioch | nsadmin: I meant primary/extended partition, but you can have up to four primary, right? so I suppose I won't need that if I just have a boot primary and an lvm primary? |
| 08:29.43 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: then you should be even more careful using system() |
| 08:29.45 | JyZyXEL | i wanna have my ~/bin/ linked to /usr/bin/ somehow |
| 08:30.05 | JyZyXEL | then i could atleast use /usr/bin/ |
| 08:30.22 | simonrvn | why? fix your PATH instead.... |
| 08:30.55 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to fix it for system() |
| 08:31.04 | JyZyXEL | its even executed with sudo to make it even more complicated |
| 08:31.21 | nsadmin | you mean it has root privs?? |
| 08:31.27 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 08:32.02 | nsadmin | umm it's your machine... all these combinations tend to be critical |
| 08:32.10 | icebubble | I did reboot and now I got this: |
| 08:32.11 | icebubble | ssh: connect to host xxx port 22: Connection refused |
| 08:32.20 | icebubble | after my upgrade |
| 08:32.43 | icebubble | to lenny |
| 08:33.05 | nsadmin | when you're doing anything as root, including when you're just shelling in, if you have any reason to distrust any part of the situation you're in, -never- trust $PATH |
| 08:33.26 | prince_jammys | comes up all the time, so you learn by practice |
| 08:33.35 | prince_jammys | wrong channel |
| 08:33.42 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean trust $PATH |
| 08:34.17 | simonrvn | not trusting PATH. because it's too easy to screw with |
| 08:34.39 | JyZyXEL | security isn't even on the priority list for this system |
| 08:34.39 | nsadmin | if you're doing anything as root with system from an irc client (there's four points where trust is variable for whatever reason), these are just things you should not do |
| 08:34.59 | nsadmin | how much bandwidth does it have? |
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| 08:35.20 | nsadmin | you're leaving yourself wide open to have some botnet steal it |
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| 08:35.44 | JyZyXEL | botnet is gonna be the lest of my worries if that happends |
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| 08:35.51 | simonrvn | security should always be a priority |
| 08:35.55 | JyZyXEL | it would mean someone had to physically break into my appartment |
| 08:35.59 | nsadmin | but if you're sharing all your bandwidth with anyone in the world, by all means, go ahead |
| 08:36.07 | eli_ | hello guys something happened to my source-list |
| 08:36.25 | eli_ | could some one please print their source.list |
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| 08:36.55 | LinuxNIT | anyone know where i can get a backport of a kernel for debian lenny amd64? the one i downloaded deponds on this http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 which as you can see is not available |
| 08:37.08 | JyZyXEL | im perfectly fine everything executing on that machine having root access |
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| 08:38.08 | nsadmin | in that case you should be perfectly fine figuring it all out because I don't really want to think about it |
| 08:38.34 | nsadmin | LinuxNIT: how far did you get? |
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| 08:39.04 | LinuxNIT | never got the usb to work..... but ive got it installed... just need a backport of the kernel |
| 08:39.21 | nsadmin | aptitude update |
| 08:39.29 | nsadmin | then try again |
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| 08:39.48 | simonrvn | eli_: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 08:40.26 | eli_ | !source.list |
| 08:40.37 | LinuxNIT | nsadmin, regular repos dont have a new enough kernel for my wifi |
| 08:40.59 | nsadmin | but the backport one should |
| 08:41.04 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 08:41.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 08:41.06 | LinuxNIT | i was trying to download one via web browser |
| 08:41.17 | LinuxNIT | but the link i posted above shows its missing |
| 08:41.40 | nsadmin | is it bpo.3? |
| 08:41.47 | LinuxNIT | and those are all 686... im trying amd64 |
| 08:41.48 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 08:42.20 | nsadmin | try aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 |
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| 08:43.06 | LinuxNIT | ah... chaned the 3 to 4 in firefox... downloading it now |
| 08:43.07 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 08:43.29 | nsadmin | they might have uploaded that one yesterday |
| 08:43.42 | LinuxNIT | lucky me |
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| 09:01.59 | mischievious | my debian mirror http://debian.yorku.ca/ keeps telling me 403 forbidden for package downloads and some updates. any ideas what to do there other than switch mirror? im rather fond of it, its fast normally |
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| 09:02.33 | MeglaW | lol vaccumed radiators. :) http://yfrog.com/mgs6305125jx |
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| 09:06.41 | amee2k | is it a wise idea to rely on inode and device numbers for indexing on aufs? |
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| 09:11.14 | Arafangion | *sigh*, transferring files at 500kbps... Damn my local LAN sucks. |
| 09:11.27 | rioch | I'd need to install debian by usb. The manual says to take a cd image and put it on the usb stick. Is this just the standard cd or is there a specific one for usb install? |
| 09:12.17 | will | any cd image |
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| 09:12.51 | rioch | wow...there are 31 cd's! Do I need all of them? |
| 09:12.54 | will | as long it can be recorded on the stick |
| 09:13.04 | rioch | the stick is 16GB |
| 09:13.43 | will | the first cd/mini-cd/dvd contain a minimal system |
| 09:13.58 | amee2k | rioch: never tried that usb thing but i'd recommend the netinst iso |
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| 09:15.10 | rioch | you know what the business card one is? |
| 09:16.07 | will | it's a mini-cd image business card compatible |
| 09:17.05 | rioch | ok. ill try the netinst one. thanks. |
| 09:17.17 | Arafangion | Those CD's are actually somewhat rectangular, and fit in a wallet. |
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| 09:20.20 | RaS_PePy_84 | Ciao a tutti :))) |
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| 09:21.48 | rioch | I also take it that there is only one "type" of debian. That is, I can use the same install for desktop or server? |
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| 09:22.57 | frostschutz | rioch: you can choose not to install the desktop stuffs, yes |
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| 09:23.12 | rioch | perfect. |
| 09:23.20 | cast | rioch: its good like that :) |
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| 09:24.01 | rioch | indeed it is. let's hope the install is smooth. my box has given me probs in the past with installing via usb. |
| 09:24.06 | frostschutz | I think the installer even asks if you want to install a standard desktop or server environment at the end |
| 09:24.28 | cast | in tasksel? |
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| 09:25.33 | rgr | shoudl I still have "trunk" kernels in my grub menu? |
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| 09:33.23 | Arafangion | It does indeed. |
| 09:33.27 | Arafangion | rgr: No, you should not. |
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| 09:33.47 | Arafangion | rgr: 'trunk' saeems to have been an unfortunate choice of name, confusing what grub thinks the most recent kernel is. |
| 09:34.14 | Arafangion | rgr: I suggest first testing andensuring that the new kernel works, then deleting it. |
| 09:34.19 | jaggz | How do I figure out why mailman/postfix isn't sending? logs show it gets to postfix's "wrapper" gets my incoming mail but I don't see anything from there |
| 09:34.24 | Arafangion | *and ensuring |
| 09:41.46 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know how to set the PATH that sudo gives? |
| 09:41.53 | JyZyXEL | in sudoers file |
| 09:42.28 | rioch | hmmm, when I try to boot from the usb stick, I get a "boot error." message. Any ideas what that might be? |
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| 09:51.59 | smhar | in gnome-shell, how to get a 'menu' of available applications? |
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| 09:53.18 | JyZyXEL | how do i execute command as root without sudo? |
| 09:53.26 | JyZyXEL | su |
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| 09:53.49 | cast | login as root? |
| 09:53.53 | cast | theres lots of ways. |
| 09:54.24 | JyZyXEL | when i try to login as root with 'su' as soon as i type a character it acts like i did \n |
| 09:55.02 | cast | this at tty1? |
| 09:55.14 | JyZyXEL | ssh |
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| 09:55.31 | JyZyXEL | reset fixed that |
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| 09:57.23 | aidalgol | On Debian squeeze, aptitude always wants to install recommended packaged, even with the -R option. Any ideas on how to get it to not automatically install recommended packages? |
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| 09:57.46 | Arafangion | Damn it's annoying that I can't play a legitimate DVD. |
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| 09:58.05 | cast | it is. shame you have to pirate it. |
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| 09:59.11 | rioch | drm sucks |
| 09:59.20 | Arafangion | Alas, pirated DVD's tend not to have subtitles. |
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| 10:00.14 | rudi_s | Arafangion: libdvdcss2? |
| 10:00.35 | Arafangion | rudi_s: I can play any region 4 DVD, just not this one. |
| 10:00.40 | rioch | can anyone help me with my problem? I get "boot error" when trying to install using a usb stick. |
| 10:01.21 | cast | region locked dvd readers...oh the pain |
| 10:01.28 | rudi_s | Arafangion: Oh .. yeah, have that problem with some DVDs as well ... not sure if this works in testing/sid (I only have lenny). |
| 10:02.12 | Arafangion | cast: It beats me why it's still even legal. |
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| 10:03.46 | cast | if i have a x64 box with no monitor and no keyboard, is it going to be hard to install debian on there? the installer doesn't happen to spawn an sshd instance i can log into or similar does it? |
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| 10:06.35 | Arafangion | cast: Alas not. :( |
| 10:06.41 | Arafangion | cast: Not automatically, at least. |
| 10:06.53 | zcat[1] | !pxe |
| 10:06.54 | dpkg | [pxe] Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <gpxe>. |
| 10:07.09 | zcat[1] | I've installed headless server boards with pxe in the past... |
| 10:07.27 | cast | its a one off, so i don't want to put too much work into it |
| 10:07.32 | zcat[1] | so no monitor, no keyboard, no cdrom, no problem.. |
| 10:07.58 | zcat[1] | pull the drive, install in in a desktop machine and do a normal install for a one-off |
| 10:08.03 | cast | i'd debootstrap it, but i don't know how to setup encrypted root manually :( |
| 10:08.29 | cast | yeah...the no monitor/keyboard thing pertains to me not having any hardware beyond a laptop :( |
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| 10:09.03 | zcat[1] | well pxe's probably the only option left then |
| 10:09.24 | zcat[1] | it really isn't that hard to set up, there's a few step by step howtos around |
| 10:09.33 | cast | would the bios be set to boot off the network by default? |
| 10:09.51 | cast | [its an ordinary pc] |
| 10:09.55 | zcat[1] | There's a good chance, if there's no os on the hdd already |
| 10:10.12 | Arafangion | Personally, I'd call in a friend for a favour. |
| 10:10.22 | cast | hmm, i've pxe booted things in the past but had a system controller to make life easy |
| 10:10.34 | cast | might get a monitor and keyboard D: |
| 10:10.57 | Arafangion | *sigh* Wifi as a home lan stinks. :( |
| 10:11.00 | Arafangion | 300KBps. |
| 10:11.04 | zcat[1] | probably easiest |
| 10:11.17 | zcat[1] | Arafangion: n might be better ;) |
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| 10:12.10 | Arafangion | zcat[1]: A new PCI network card might be better... The antenna keeps falling of this. (Who's the moron that uses a *friction* mount?) |
| 10:12.59 | Arafangion | The antenna screws on... But the screw that it goes on is itself friction mounted, it seems. |
| 10:13.05 | zcat[1] | well, in theory I have nvidia and vbox drivers for my new kernel now, so rebooting |
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| 10:15.08 | zcat[1] | and it worked. |
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| 10:21.55 | eli_ | could someone please pastebin their source.list I destroyed mine :( |
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| 10:23.21 | jpinx-eeepc | eli_: what release are you using? |
| 10:23.32 | arand | I sent an NMU-diff to a bug report some 12h ago, how long does it normally take for stuff to show up in the bug reports? |
| 10:23.47 | eli_ | lenny |
| 10:24.01 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 10:25.13 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: cool - didn't know about that :) |
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| 10:30.38 | gumpert345 | hi, is there something like the xorg edgers ppa for debian? |
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| 10:33.33 | abrotman | gumpert345: which does what ? |
| 10:36.09 | gumpert345 | it offers Xorg packages fresh from git |
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| 10:37.58 | rashd7_ | how to downgrade from sid to lenny |
| 10:38.06 | rashd7_ | i have all lenny dvds |
| 10:38.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 10:38.09 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 10:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | rashd7_: âÃâ |
| 10:38.46 | lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: sadly not even upgrade is really supported for some packages |
| 10:38.57 | rashd7_ | so i cant convert to lenny? |
| 10:39.09 | lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: users are just expected to know that they need to remove their own dot files |
| 10:39.25 | lindi- | rashd7_: nope. not really |
| 10:39.25 | jpinx-eeepc | rashd7_: best to save and rename /etc /var and /home and do a fresh install |
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| 10:39.43 | rashd7_ | how can i do |
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| 10:40.05 | abrotman | gumpert345: i don't think so |
| 10:40.20 | jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: upgrading is ok |
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| 10:40.33 | rashd7_ | if i rename /etc /var and /home with /home1 /etc1 |
| 10:40.40 | rashd7_ | will i lost my data |
| 10:41.02 | jpinx-eeepc | rashd7_: save them someewhere and do a fresh install of lenny |
| 10:41.21 | jpinx-eeepc | rashd7_: I said copy and rename |
| 10:41.35 | rashd7_ | copy to same hdd |
| 10:41.56 | jpinx-eeepc | rashd7_: depends on how your hdd is partitioned |
| 10:42.01 | rashd7_ | ok |
| 10:42.07 | rashd7_ | thanks a lot |
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| 10:45.45 | eli_ | what is the most popular music player for debian |
| 10:45.59 | cahoot | !popcon |
| 10:45.59 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
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| 10:46.56 | eli_ | thanks for the info cahoot |
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| 10:47.54 | cast | are digital tv tuners much pain, if i buy the right one? |
| 10:48.21 | cahoot | the gadget less so than the content |
| 10:49.08 | cast | i've always assumed them to be too much work, but perhaps now, for the right model, they'll "just work" |
| 10:50.21 | jpinx-eeepc | cast: laptop or desktop? |
| 10:50.31 | cast | desktop |
| 10:50.43 | jpinx-eeepc | cast: pic ones are not bad now, but much cpu |
| 10:50.48 | jpinx-eeepc | needed |
| 10:50.59 | jpinx-eeepc | *pci ones.... |
| 10:50.59 | cast | it'll be on a 6 core 2.8ghz box |
| 10:51.37 | jpinx-eeepc | I have been looking at usb tuners for my eeepc, and they work, but only just ;) |
| 10:51.47 | cast | i'm just thinking about what monitor to get, samsung make a 2333HD, 23", comes with a HDTV tuner built in, seems nice enough. or, i could get a pci card |
| 10:51.53 | cast | whats software support like? |
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| 10:52.22 | cast | pci card would enable being able to save shows and movies |
| 10:52.35 | jpinx-eeepc | cast - dunno - I have plugged a few in in the shops and they just work :) |
| 10:52.56 | cast | what program did you use to interface with it? |
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| 10:54.57 | jpinx-eeepc | cast: this is not really debian specific |
| 10:55.18 | jpinx-eeepc | cast: /join debian-offtopic and I'll post you some links |
| 10:55.37 | cast | well, it'll be in debian |
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| 11:00.22 | eli_ | I looked at popcorn and the information in there wjere too verbose for a newbie |
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| 11:00.56 | eli_ | so I ask the wuestion in here instead, what's the most popular and used music/mp3 player |
| 11:00.59 | eli_ | for debian |
| 11:01.07 | eli_ | or let say linux |
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| 11:01.18 | eli_ | with a GUI |
| 11:01.23 | jmd | Why can't my lenny system mount its root filesystem? |
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| 11:02.07 | dalias | eli, good question, they all seem to suck :) |
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| 11:02.24 | dalias | vlc is the least crappy i've found but it's not very music/playlist/etc oriented |
| 11:02.55 | abrotman | jmd: more details ? |
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| 11:03.35 | jmd | abrotman: BEGIN: Waiting for root filesystem .... |
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| 11:03.39 | jmd | forever |
| 11:04.00 | jmd | yet I can mount it with a rescue disk |
| 11:04.00 | eli_ | yes VLC is good for movies, but I haven't found anything for music playing |
| 11:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc | eli_: I use vlc for most things, and mplayer for the rest ;) |
| 11:04.51 | jpinx-eeepc | eli_: vlc plays all the music I throw at it |
| 11:05.10 | dalias | btw anyone have experience playhing 3gp files with vlc? |
| 11:05.22 | dalias | it plays the audio 4x or so too fast for me |
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| 11:06.22 | keel | eli_: try audacious |
| 11:06.32 | eli_ | hmm |
| 11:06.45 | eli_ | any winamp close that's working good? |
| 11:07.07 | abrotman | that's the closest |
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| 11:11.17 | dalias | what i found a while back was the the more 'cool looking' music-oriented players blew up as soon as they encountered non-ascii filenames... |
| 11:11.22 | krushik | ÑÑ\+ |
| 11:11.25 | dalias | dunno if that's still the case |
| 11:11.50 | abrotman | rhythmbox isn't bad .. |
| 11:13.41 | dalias | meh, looks too itunes/wmp-cloneosh |
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| 11:15.03 | dalias | whereas audacious is obviously going to be one of the broken players that can't hande non-ascii filenames |
| 11:15.04 | jmd | Anyone know how to use Grub? |
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| 11:15.18 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 11:15.42 | dalias | (just look at the interface with its own custom bitmap font mess) |
| 11:16.02 | eli_ | when I seasrch for XMMS in synaptic it only get me xmms2 |
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| 11:16.14 | eli_ | is this the preferred one or what? |
| 11:16.14 | jmd | so how can I inspect the root filesystem? |
| 11:16.40 | dalias | hmm the 'alternative interfaces' in the second screenshot might be decent.. :) |
| 11:17.24 | dalias | lol the audacious prefs dialog is about 40% too big to fit on my screen... |
| 11:17.27 | dalias | big fail there |
| 11:17.53 | abrotman | jmd: inspect for what? |
| 11:18.02 | abrotman | jmd: what did you change that it's stuck waiting ? |
| 11:18.05 | abrotman | !waiting for root |
| 11:18.09 | abrotman | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 11:18.10 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the <libata> transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the GRUB menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>, <uuid>. |
| 11:18.18 | abrotman | but that's pretty old |
| 11:18.44 | jmd | I think it may have been some udev config files. |
| 11:19.26 | jmd | It would be nice if it told me what I should change it to. |
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| 11:26.51 | jmd | Right. If I wait long enough it comes up with an error: "ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist." |
| 11:27.38 | abrotman | so if you change it to look for /dev/sda1 ? |
| 11:28.11 | jmd | Probably no difference as that doesn't exist either. |
| 11:28.56 | jmd | I think The question is, why is it missing from my initramfs ? |
| 11:29.14 | abrotman | how do you know it doesn't exist? |
| 11:29.20 | jmd | ls |
| 11:29.36 | abrotman | this might sound dumb .. are you sure your HDD still exists? |
| 11:30.11 | jmd | abrotman: YEs. From a rescue disk it looks perfect. |
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| 11:36.30 | jmd | How do I regenerate my initramfs? |
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| 11:37.20 | lindi- | jmd: update-initramfs? |
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| 11:38.56 | abrotman | jmd: dpkg-reconfigure <your current kernel> |
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| 11:43.29 | jmd | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure insists that the kernel package is not installed. Even after I just dpkg --installed it. |
| 11:44.24 | abrotman | what is the command and actual output ? |
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| 11:47.30 | jmd | ok, aborting since modules for this image already exist. |
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| 11:48.33 | Wyzard | That's not insisting that the kernel isn't installed |
| 11:49.46 | jmd | Wyzard: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image....i386.deb is not installed |
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| 11:50.08 | Wyzard | dpkg-reconfigure wants the package name. not the .deb filename |
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| 11:50.51 | Wyzard | e.g. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:51.47 | jmd | How do I find out what the name is? |
| 11:52.44 | Wyzard | Typically it's the part of the package filename before the first underscore |
| 11:53.00 | Wyzard | err, the .deb filename |
| 11:53.04 | jmd | I tried that too. |
| 11:53.32 | Wyzard | but a .deb file can be renamed and it doesn't affect the name of the package contained within |
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| 11:53.58 | Wyzard | "dpkg-deb -I foo.deb" is the way to be sure, if the filename doesn't reflect the package name |
| 11:54.43 | jmd | Unknown option -l |
| 11:54.53 | Wyzard | That's a capital i, not a lowercase L |
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| 11:55.31 | jmd | Oh thanks |
| 11:55.50 | Wyzard | One of the first few lines of the output should say "Package:" |
| 11:55.54 | Wyzard | That's the package name |
| 11:56.23 | jmd | Ok. So dpkg-reconfigure says it's not installed |
| 11:56.31 | Wyzard | What's the package name? |
| 11:56.50 | jmd | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 11:57.19 | Wyzard | What does "dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" say on the "Status:" line? |
| 11:57.46 | jmd | install ok not-installed |
| 11:58.06 | Wyzard | Then it's indeed not installed |
| 11:58.18 | Wyzard | When you said "ok, aborting since modules for this image already exist", was that output from the "dpkg -i" command? |
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| 11:58.33 | jmd | dpkg --install |
| 11:58.33 | dpkg | jmd: i haven't a clue |
| 11:58.43 | Wyzard | -i and --install are the same thing |
| 11:58.55 | Wyzard | Sounds like you have a /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686 directory for some reason |
| 11:59.17 | Wyzard | Even though the package isn't installed, you may have some modules for it (maybe it was installed in the past and not completely removed?) |
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| 11:59.29 | jmd | should I remove it? |
| 11:59.36 | Wyzard | Look in it and see what's there |
| 11:59.48 | Wyzard | Is it a full set of .ko files, or just a handful from some third-party software or something? |
| 11:59.57 | jmd | its the usual modules. |
| 12:00.25 | jmd | I'll rename it. |
| 12:00.37 | Wyzard | Strange that it's there if the package isn't |
| 12:00.42 | Wyzard | but renaming it is the right thing to do |
| 12:00.50 | Wyzard | You can delete it later when you're sure it's not needed |
| 12:01.02 | jmd | dependency problems now ... |
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| 12:02.15 | Wyzard | What's the missing package? |
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| 12:02.33 | jmd | Theres about 6 of them. |
| 12:02.58 | jmd | I've just done apt-get -f install |
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| 12:03.34 | jmd | now I'll try to install the kernel |
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| 12:03.35 | Wyzard | That package doesn't even have 6 dependencies |
| 12:03.47 | Wyzard | "Depends: module-init-tools, initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.13) | linux-initramfs-tool" |
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| 12:04.42 | Wyzard | and you almost certainly have them already, unless you were previously using a custom-compiled kernel that didn't use any modules and you removed those packages |
| 12:05.14 | jmd | Well I have them now. |
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| 12:05.40 | jmd | Ok installed the kernel. Time for a reboot I think. |
| 12:05.48 | Voldenet | Hello, what i need to do, to have mouse in console? |
| 12:05.56 | Wyzard | Sure, but if you didn't have those before, something strange is going on and I'm wondering if your system is in some weird broken state |
| 12:05.59 | abrotman | Voldenet: gpm |
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| 12:06.05 | Voldenet | Thanks. |
| 12:06.13 | jmd | Wyzard: I kinda worked that out :/ |
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| 12:07.48 | jmd | Looks better. It's doing fsck .... |
| 12:08.39 | Wyzard | Did it shutdown uncleanly, or is the fsck just because it hadn't been done in a long time? |
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| 12:09.12 | jmd | It says unclean demount. Which is quite possible. |
| 12:09.30 | Wyzard | That shouldn't have happened unless you pressed the reset button or something |
| 12:09.58 | Wyzard | and actually, shouldn't happen anyway unless you're using ext2 instead of ext3 |
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| 12:10.20 | jmd | Yes. I did that (the "or something") bit. |
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| 12:10.58 | Wyzard | You shouldn't reboot by pressing the reset button |
| 12:11.16 | Wyzard | Same as in any OS, you should do a clean shutdown |
| 12:11.24 | jmd | should be ok if acpi is working properly. |
| 12:11.51 | Wyzard | ACPI works for the power button, but I've never seen it do anything for the reset button |
| 12:11.54 | nevyn | jmd: power is fine if acpi is working right |
| 12:12.00 | nevyn | reset remains hard and ugly |
| 12:12.02 | Wyzard | If you press the button and the machine restarts instantly, it wasn't a clean shutdown |
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| 12:12.21 | Wyzard | If you press power and ACPI is working, you'll see it go through the clean shutdown process instead of instantly turning off |
| 12:12.26 | jmd | Oh. I don't have a reset button. This is a laptop. |
| 12:12.52 | nevyn | jmd: and it's only if you just press power |
| 12:12.54 | Wyzard | If you held the power button for several seconds until it restarted, that's the reset button |
| 12:12.57 | nevyn | if you hold it it turns of. |
| 12:13.03 | jmd | Anyway. I seem to be back up now. |
| 12:13.26 | jmd | The original problem I was trying to fix still exists tho :( |
| 12:13.33 | Wyzard | What's that? |
| 12:13.53 | jmd | I can only describe the symptoms. |
| 12:14.11 | jmd | A few weeks ago, I bought a printer .... |
| 12:14.26 | Wyzard | (and what kernel were you running before, if you had to install 2.6.26-2-686, the current stable version?) |
| 12:15.07 | jmd | The same kernel I think. Hang on I'll cahnage to the working machine instead of this damn EEEPC... |
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| 12:15.33 | Wyzard | You were running it even though the package wasn't installed? |
| 12:15.35 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 12:15.47 | Wyzard | That's plausible since the modules were there -- we didn't think to check /boot to see if vmlinuz was there too |
| 12:16.07 | Wyzard | but it's sounding more and more like your machine is in a weird broken state |
| 12:16.25 | jmd_ | and I the printer driver could only be installed with the proprietary disk. It installed the print driver alright, but screwed up the video . |
| 12:16.59 | jmd_ | I broke the system even more in my efforts to track down what it had done. |
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| 12:17.55 | jmd_ | I kind of suspected that it had done something to /etc/udev/rules.d and in my efforts to undo whatever it had done, the system became unbootable. |
| 12:17.59 | Wyzard | wonders how installing a kernel package is related to fixing video problems caused by a printer driver |
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| 12:18.27 | jmd_ | Wyzard, yeah. One can't help but wonder. |
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| 12:18.54 | jmd_ | It's because the disk insisted on some stupid graphical installer. |
| 12:19.09 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: for starters check your sources.list and do an aptitude update / safe-upgrade |
| 12:19.30 | jpinx-eeepc | and watch atitudes output for depends errors |
| 12:19.53 | jmd_ | What does safe-upgrade do? |
| 12:19.54 | Wyzard | Why *did* you decide you needed to install that package? |
| 12:20.17 | abrotman | insisted ? |
| 12:20.18 | jmd_ | I wanted to use the printer which I'd bought. |
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| 12:20.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: upgrades to the latest version of each of your installed package - for your release as defined in sources.list |
| 12:20.50 | Wyzard | Sure, but how does that translate into "I need to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686"? |
| 12:20.58 | jmd_ | jpinx-eeepc, how does that differ from "upgrade" ? |
| 12:21.18 | jmd_ | Wyzard, That was the kernel I was running (I think). |
| 12:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: i'm only able to offer the advice - not the indepth explanations |
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| 12:22.09 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: do the update and upgrade and see what it throwsat you |
| 12:22.19 | jmd_ | jpinx-eeepc, It's clean now. |
| 12:22.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: was that when using aptitude? |
| 12:22.44 | jpinx-eeepc | or did you use apt-get? |
| 12:22.49 | jmd_ | jpinx-eeepc, aptitude. |
| 12:23.42 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: ok - pastebin the output of uname -a , cat /etc/debian_version and your sources list |
| 12:23.50 | Wyzard | jmd_: Installing the same kernel you're already running shouldn't have anything to do with a printer, though -- in fact it'd be completely pointless if not for the fact that the package was somehow missing on your system even though the files were there |
| 12:24.08 | Wyzard | so I'm wondering if you ran into some specific error message or something that led you to that .deb file |
| 12:24.43 | jmd_ | I don't remember now. I think the rescue disk half re-installed the kernel ... |
| 12:25.23 | jmd_ | Anyway how can I find out what the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d are supposed to look like? |
| 12:25.26 | jpinx-eeepc | "think" and "half" are all a bit vague... |
| 12:25.28 | rioch | im installing a debian server, for home use, and wondered if I'd need a dns server? One thing I think I might need it for, it to be able to address my other computers by their hostname, but I don't know if this is what it's for. |
| 12:25.52 | Wyzard | jmd_: In the situation you're in, I'd just reinstall from scratch |
| 12:26.09 | jmd_ | Wyzard, Last time, that took 14 hours .... |
| 12:26.10 | Arafangion | rioch: You could always use a hosts.conf file. |
| 12:26.18 | jpinx-eeepc | 'd like to see the uname -a and sources.list |
| 12:26.18 | abrotman | rioch: you can either use DNS, or since it's internal, you could use netbios name resolution, or /etc/hosts |
| 12:26.25 | abrotman | Arafangion: hosts, not hosts.conf |
| 12:26.33 | Arafangion | My mistake. :) |
| 12:26.39 | Wyzard | It sounds like you've mucked around with things (kernels, udev rules, who knows what else) and now things are broken |
| 12:26.46 | rioch | ahh ok, I didn't know about that. I'll leave the dns server out. |
| 12:26.47 | abrotman | or even NIS+ (though that's probably way harder than the other three) |
| 12:26.57 | Wyzard | and without knowing exactly what you changed there's no way to be sure everything has been put back the way it should be |
| 12:27.18 | jmd_ | Wyzard, Shouldn't reinstalling the package do that? |
| 12:27.20 | Wyzard | A clean reinstall is a sure way to get the system into a known, correct state |
| 12:27.20 | abrotman | must have been an awesome printer! |
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| 12:27.23 | rioch | what about mail server. Would I need that? |
| 12:27.29 | abrotman | !tell rioch about why an mta |
| 12:27.37 | jmd_ | abrotman, Not really. It's pretty average. |
| 12:27.40 | abrotman | jmd_: maybe try debsums, though it won't work for conf files |
| 12:27.48 | Wyzard | jmd_: For the kernel, maybe, except the fact that it was missing in the first place suggests that other things may be wrong |
| 12:27.57 | jmd_ | rioch, How can we possibly know what you need? |
| 12:28.06 | Wyzard | jmd_: That doesn't address the udev rules |
| 12:28.20 | bolt | when I start a job, say "sleep 2000", then press ctrl+z, then type "bg 1" to make it run again, then close the virtual console... is there a way to reach that job again and get it to the foreground? |
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| 12:28.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: are you going to paste those things I asked for? |
| 12:28.56 | Arafangion | bolt: CLosing the terminal usually kills the job. |
| 12:29.10 | jmd_ | Wyzard, What I really want to know is why, when I boot, shortly after udev is started the screen changes mode. and seems to interfere with the XServer? |
| 12:29.10 | bolt | Arafangion: it didn't, for some reason |
| 12:29.12 | rioch | jmd_: true. is this a better question. Why might one need a mail server for an internal network, when emailing is done using services such as gmail? |
| 12:29.18 | bolt | Arafangion: i still see it running |
| 12:29.31 | jmd_ | rioch, The answer to that question is NO. |
| 12:29.45 | bolt | Arafangion: http://pastebin.com/kynhmjMu |
| 12:29.48 | jmd_ | jpinx-eeepc, If it makes you happy: |
| 12:29.53 | bolt | Arafangion: that's ps aux | grep sleep |
| 12:29.54 | rioch | jmd_: ok. ill leave that one out too. :) |
| 12:30.04 | jmd_ | Linux cyane 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 12 21:56:10 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:30.07 | Wyzard | jmd_: If it's changing video mode while still in "text mode", that sounds like you're using a framebuffer console |
| 12:30.11 | Wyzard | but that shouldn't interfere with X |
| 12:30.26 | jmd_ | How can I turn off the framebuffer console? |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | jmd_: you want one to send you email about certain system events, but you don't need it to actually be configure to send email to a real mail server |
| 12:30.32 | Arafangion | bolt: It's possible that one of the processes caught the signal. |
| 12:30.40 | Arafangion | bolt: And didn't send it through. |
| 12:30.45 | Arafangion | doesn't really know. |
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| 12:31.06 | Wyzard | jmd_: Do you actually have a reason to believe that on your system, unlike everyone else's, a framebuffer console interferes with X? |
| 12:31.21 | Wyzard | jmd_: or are you just seeing X not working and assuming that the framebuffer console must be the reason? |
| 12:31.41 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: just reinstall ;) |
| 12:31.52 | jmd_ | Wyzard, Well there was a very strange correlation between the two events. |
| 12:32.04 | jmd_ | jpinx-eeepc, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 12:32.04 | jmd_ | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 12:32.04 | jmd_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:32.04 | jmd_ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 12:32.20 | jpinx-eeepc | sheesh |
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| 12:32.34 | jmd_ | 4 lines == flood !!! |
| 12:32.34 | Wyzard | jmd_: What sort of correlation? |
| 12:32.43 | Wyzard | jmd_: Don't say "one happened after the other" |
| 12:32.49 | jpinx-eeepc | jmd_: I said to pasgtebin it |
| 12:32.50 | jmd_ | Well there was no problem before. Both problems after. |
| 12:33.20 | Wyzard | Your root filesystem got mounted before X failed to start, too |
| 12:33.27 | Wyzard | and your audio driver probably got loaded |
| 12:33.29 | jmd_ | Not conclusive proof - but very suspicious. |
| 12:33.35 | Wyzard | All the problems are after those |
| 12:33.37 | Wyzard | Correlation? |
| 12:33.38 | Wyzard | No |
| 12:33.46 | jmd_ | Huh?? |
| 12:34.28 | Wyzard | There are many things that happen on a Debian system before X starts |
| 12:34.40 | Wyzard | Turning on a framebuffer is just one of them |
| 12:34.48 | jmd_ | Anyway how can I turn it off? |
| 12:34.58 | Wyzard | That particular event is no more suspicious than any other |
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| 12:35.09 | jmd_ | Wyzard, You are kidding? |
| 12:35.39 | Wyzard | No, I'm not |
| 12:35.44 | Wyzard | vesafb does not conflict with xorg |
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| 12:35.45 | jmd_ | It's the time sequence that makes it suspicious. |
| 12:35.46 | Wyzard | I've been using it for years |
| 12:35.55 | jmd_ | Wyzard, perhaps not on your machine. |
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| 12:36.41 | Wyzard | You're jumping to conclusions based on no actual understanding of what's wrong with your system |
| 12:36.58 | Wyzard | and you've broken things (kernel, udev) by mucking around with them trying to fix a different problem you didn't understand |
| 12:37.09 | Wyzard | Please reinstall to get your system back into a known, correct state |
| 12:37.22 | jmd_ | OK. Gotta go. |
| 12:37.29 | jmd_ | Thanks for your help guys, |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: you broked it! |
| 12:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ho hum |
| 12:38.44 | Wyzard | needs to go too, actually |
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| 12:42.39 | rioch | abrotman: the installer is asking me if I want WINS. Is this what I need so I can address my networked computers by their hostname? |
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| 12:42.56 | abrotman | i think you can leave that out/blank |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | you can change it later |
| 12:43.05 | rioch | ok |
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| 12:55.36 | Wyzard | rioch: Unless your computer is part of a Windows domain (managed by Active Directory servers or whatever) you most likely have no WINS server, and don't need one |
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| 13:07.41 | sheldon | I'm having some mounting issues with my CD/DVD drives. I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04 and i am getting tons of buffer I/O errors. any ideas? |
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| 13:07.58 | cast | yeah, don't use ubuntu |
| 13:08.04 | sheldon | lolz |
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| 13:08.24 | jmd | !ubuntu |
| 13:08.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:08.26 | jpinx-eeepc | I've been reading about http proxy 'cos I want to use a server in UK to access websites so they see a UK IP, but I view the pages here in Asia. What kind of proxy is that, and which way round do I set it up? |
| 13:08.53 | AlucarD | bıcı bıcı yaparım dalinle bıcı bıcı yaparım |
| 13:08.55 | AlucarD | :D |
| 13:08.58 | AlucarD | mis gibi kokarım |
| 13:09.08 | sheldon | oh, sorry... thanks anyway. |
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| 13:10.21 | compaq | anyone running debian testing? |
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| 13:10.21 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, socks proxy is more versatile and easy to ocnfigure if you have a ssh shell account in the uk |
| 13:10.22 | jmd | jpinx-eeepc: There are various ways. I use ssh to set up a private tunnel. |
| 13:10.22 | gusnan | compaq, o/ |
| 13:11.22 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, just put -D localhost:1080 on the command line of your ssh command then configure your web browser to use localhost:1080 as the socks proxy |
| 13:11.22 | compaq | gusnan, it never boots direct to X for me, I ave to boot to text terminal and start xdm |
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| 13:12.13 | gusnan | compaq, I had problems when upgrading from kernel 2.6.32-3 to 2.6.32-5 - I had to blacklist the nouveau drivers to get my nvidia drivers installed - what graphics card do you have? |
| 13:12.16 | rioch | why is /boot empty? |
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| 13:13.14 | compaq | gusnan, intel |
| 13:13.56 | compaq | rioch, it boots, but X doesn't |
| 13:14.21 | rioch | compaq: no desktop environment installed (out of choice) |
| 13:14.22 | qq- | compaq, try gdm |
| 13:14.23 | compaq | thats why I was wondering if anyone got it working |
| 13:14.24 | rioch | yes it boots |
| 13:14.42 | compaq | qq- tried kdm too |
| 13:14.55 | qq- | same thing ? |
| 13:15.01 | compaq | qq-, yep |
| 13:15.03 | rioch | well, it boots, but I have to edit grub because it has the wrong setting. I wanted to change menu.lst to correct it, but I can't find it. |
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| 13:15.23 | compaq | lenny is so old |
| 13:15.31 | rioch | ahhh ok, noone is actually listening to me. |
| 13:15.31 | qq- | compaq, see bts ? |
| 13:16.11 | compaq | I never really notice though just the version number when I load openoffice |
| 13:16.14 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: I see that in a ggogle result - it all looks too easy . what do I do on the server to make it work? |
| 13:16.20 | compaq | qq-, whats is bts? |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | !tell compaq about bpo |
| 13:16.25 | abrotman | !tell compaq about bts |
| 13:16.33 | jmd_ | How can I disable the frame buffer? |
| 13:16.50 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, nothing at all needs to be done on the server |
| 13:17.01 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, unless the server has been configured specifically to deny forwarding requests |
| 13:17.28 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: let me see..... ;) |
| 13:18.01 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: why port 1080 and not 8080 ? |
| 13:18.21 | dalias | 1080 seems to be the most typical socks port, but you can use whatever you like |
| 13:18.27 | jmd_ | !framebuffer |
| 13:18.27 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 13:18.29 | jpinx-eeepc | oki doki |
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| 13:18.47 | compaq | Its been a year, I tried testing recently and a year ago, and same X boot issue |
| 13:18.59 | jmd_ | !blacklist |
| 13:18.59 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 13:19.31 | Voldenet | Ok, is there anyway to turn on fbdev on default debian kernel? |
| 13:19.36 | Voldenet | Or do i have to build another one |
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| 13:20.18 | jmd_ | But there isn't a blacklist.local.conf |
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| 13:25.28 | compaq | anyone use webcam for survielence? |
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| 13:26.28 | cast | yes. |
| 13:28.33 | lindi- | only works indoors with lights on |
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| 13:30.19 | lxsameer | is it possible to install rpm in debian ? |
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| 13:30.51 | qq- | yes |
| 13:31.15 | Arafangion | lxsameer: In general, the answer to any question that starts with "Is it possible..." is "yes". |
| 13:31.29 | Arafangion | lxsameer: Keep in mind that there are some exceptions to the rule. |
| 13:31.30 | lxsameer | qq-: how ? |
| 13:31.40 | qq- | use alien |
| 13:31.43 | lindi- | lxsameer: what are you trying to install? |
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| 13:32.15 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: thanks - that was remarkably painless :) |
| 13:32.28 | lxsameer | lindi-: not me but my friend , he try to install a software for his work that just have e rpm from that |
| 13:32.28 | albech | does anyone know if a debian distribution that comes with Xen Kernel/Xen already installed or at least selectable during the installation? |
| 13:32.30 | Arafangion | lxsameer: As mentioned, alien can work, but it is frequently very problematic to use packages compiled for a different operating system, such as Redhat. |
| 13:32.32 | qq- | !win jpinx-eeepc |
| 13:32.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, jpinx-eeepc! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
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| 13:33.07 | lindi- | lxsameer: we can't really give good advice without accurate information |
| 13:33.30 | lindi- | Arafangion: dom0 or domU? |
| 13:33.37 | lxsameer | lindi-: forget it , it is a bad idea to use rpm in debian |
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| 13:34.19 | cast | what about .msi |
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| 13:34.30 | Arafangion | lindi-: Err... debian does indeed have xen packages, but I assume it would be as a client. |
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| 13:34.54 | Arafangion | cast: Ironically, I think .msi's are less problematic to install. Using the result, on the other hand, is fragile. |
| 13:34.59 | lindi- | Arafangion: i think the terms are dom0 and domU? |
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| 13:35.12 | lindi- | Arafangion: so "client" would mean domU I guess? |
| 13:35.15 | Arafangion | lindi-: I mean, as a host. |
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| 13:35.23 | lindi- | guest |
| 13:36.10 | Arafangion | lindi-: I've never done xen stuff (Why are you asking me?), however, unless I'm mistaken, with xen, the distinction important for the kernel alone - all other packages run unmodified? |
| 13:36.38 | lindi- | Arafangion: whoops, wrong nick :) |
| 13:36.39 | Arafangion | notices that he's skippiing words - a bad sign that he needs sleep very urgently. |
| 13:37.11 | Arafangion | lindi-: Ok. :) Ahh, yeah, you wanted albech, it seems. |
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| 13:40.06 | lxsameer | where can i get the gpg key of testing repository ? |
| 13:41.11 | rioch | I installed debian via usb, but I have a problem. It boots, but has trouble mounting /boot. fstab shows that this is on /dev/sdb1, which is not my hard drive. My guess is that this is the installation usb stick I used. Is that possible? |
| 13:41.32 | Arafangion | rioch: That looks about right. |
| 13:41.46 | Arafangion | rioch: Check dmesg if you're uncertain. |
| 13:42.02 | rioch | Arafangion: I'm confused then. How did grub load if the usb stick wasn't plugged in when I switched on? |
| 13:42.30 | gusnan | How do I make reportbug just email myself the report it makes, not mailing it to the debian bug-tracker or the package maintainer? |
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| 13:42.51 | Arafangion | rioch: In that case, check dmesg. :) That said, grub is practically an OS in its own right. |
| 13:42.51 | lindi- | gusnan: "-o report.txt" |
| 13:43.08 | rioch | Arafangion: what do I look for in dmesg? |
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| 13:44.27 | rioch | Arafangion: does this mean that the separate partition the installer created for /boot was created on the usb stick, even though I selected my hard drive as the installation location? |
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| 13:44.55 | rioch | (as the installation location for debian as a whole) |
| 13:44.57 | Arafangion | rioch: That's extremely unlikely. YOu want to look for 'sdb' in dmesg. |
| 13:45.03 | gusnan | lindi-, thanks! |
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| 13:45.35 | rioch | it fails to mount /boot because it can't find /dev/sdb1...that what you mean? |
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| 13:48.46 | Arafangion | rioch: No, I'm saying use dmesg to work out what the heck sdb is. |
| 13:48.52 | rioch | Arafangion: ok. using cfdisk I can see the boot partition is on the correct disk. For some reason, /etc/fstab has the wrong device for it. I'm gonna change it and see what happens. |
| 13:49.06 | Arafangion | rioch: Sounds good. :) |
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| 13:51.40 | amee2k | is there a "desktop search" engine that is a) either easy to write a custom frontend for or b) comes with a functional web frontend ? |
| 13:51.58 | amee2k | and that can preferably index metadata of multimedia files |
| 13:52.34 | rioch | Arafangion: that fixed it. I feel quite proud of myself :D |
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| 13:52.44 | rioch | Arafangion: thanks for helping. |
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| 13:57.02 | jaggz | darn, I want HTML in my mailman welcome message but it doesn't allow it. I wonder if this can be changed... |
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| 13:59.16 | abrotman | jaggz: i've gotten good help in #mailman (a little slow though) |
| 13:59.17 | d1b | amee2k: there is beagle and tracker |
| 13:59.26 | d1b | yuck html. |
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| 14:00.10 | jaggz | thanks abrotman :) |
| 14:00.57 | emorris | hi, yesterday I was having problems updating from security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org, but am still having the same issues today. Anyone have any ideas? When doing aptitude update, I get things like Cannot initiate the connection to volatile.debian.org:80 (2001:610:1908:a000::149:227). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:610:1908:a000::149:227 80] |
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| 14:05.16 | amee2k | d1b: hmmm interresting. neither of these seem to readily support a web frontend, but i'll look into it. thanks :) |
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| 14:06.21 | dalias | emorris, sounds likt its trying to use ipv6 to connect... are you on an ipv6 network? |
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| 14:08.28 | Arafangion | discovers the glorious wonders of imapsync |
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| 14:09.16 | emorris | dalias, no. It was on a dual-stack network before this one though, if that makes any difference. Both use DHCP |
| 14:10.06 | dalias | try blacklisting ipv6 |
| 14:10.13 | dalias | in modprobe.d |
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| 14:15.18 | |Xabbu | can anyone help me with a weird Problem concerning adresslokup? When I use "telnet localhost 25" on my server "srv.example.com" the program tries to connect to "localhost.example.com"... |
| 14:16.47 | emorris | dalias, ok, just trying now |
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| 14:17.23 | dalias | emorris, make sure you rebooted or manually removed the ipv6 module before testing |
| 14:17.34 | emorris | |Xabbu, do you have localhost defined in /etc/hosts? |
| 14:18.00 | emorris | dalias, yep, am doing. Had to reboot as ipv6 was in use apparently |
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| 14:21.30 | emorris | dalias, ok, blacklisted the module, rebooted, but it does the same thing |
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| 14:22.15 | dalias | still shows that ipv6 address? |
| 14:22.54 | |Xabbu | emorris: Yes, /etc/hosts hat a line "127.0.0.1 localhost", "hostname" shows "srv.example.com", as does hostname -f; hostname -s shows only srv |
| 14:23.46 | emorris | dalias, I note it says things like "Connecting to security.debian.org (32.1.6.16)", implying it's using IPv4, but then the errors give IPv6 addresses |
| 14:24.06 | dalias | run lsmod |
| 14:24.10 | dalias | is the ipv6 module loaded? |
| 14:24.19 | emorris | |Xabbu, should it just be srv? check /etc/hostname |
| 14:24.24 | emorris | dalias, it's not |
| 14:25.15 | dalias | weird |
| 14:26.49 | emorris | yeah |
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| 14:38.21 | |Xabbu | emorris: Yes, that works for telnet. But if I set this to just "srv" I will not get a fqdn with "hostname -f" unless I set the "domain example.com" in the resolv.conf. Which then sets telnet back to connecting to localhost.example.com |
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| 14:42.17 | jordanm | sorry about that, luckily my client did catch it after two pasted lines |
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| 14:44.54 | Marsh4ll | if i install the .img to USB it will save like a normal OS right? |
| 14:45.16 | Marsh4ll | or u can change it to save right? |
| 14:46.25 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: I recommend this knoppix guide for a live persistant usb: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/USB_Based_FAQ |
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| 14:46.42 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: knoppix is a "pure blend" of debian and IMO a bit better than debian live |
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| 14:47.06 | abrotman | and NOT supported in #debian |
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| 14:48.09 | \amethyst | Knippix is not a "pure blend" |
| 14:48.15 | \amethyst | s/Kni/Kno/ |
| 14:48.22 | wald0 | i have a problem with unison, when doing a sync of multiple users (so, from root) all the syncronized files become root |
| 14:48.39 | Arafangion | wald0: That sounds like unison is behaving as it should, then. |
| 14:49.06 | \amethyst | the pure blends are Debian Junior, Debian Med, Debian Science, Br Desktop, and Skolelinux |
| 14:49.16 | jordanm | \amethyst: oh, I saw it on the pure blends site, but now I see that is in the "tools that could be adopted section" |
| 14:49.22 | jordanm | s/site/page/ |
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| 14:49.37 | wald0 | how i maintain the original users, Arafangion ? i dont want that my files become root :/ |
| 14:49.43 | wald0 | i have a lot of permissions errors now there |
| 14:49.59 | rgr | you can tell unison via owner and group flags iicrc |
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| 14:50.03 | jordanm | \amethyst: and it has a debian sources.list by default |
| 14:50.09 | jordanm | sorry if I caused anyone confusion |
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| 14:50.53 | abrotman | jordanm: so do other distros .. that doesn't make them debian |
| 14:51.18 | \amethyst | it could probably become one easily, as they do use debian's packages with config tweaks and newer drivers; but it's not a Debian project |
| 14:51.33 | rgr | wald0: probably too late to fix. |
| 14:51.41 | rgr | try the -owner flag. |
| 14:52.10 | jordanm | \amethyst: the knoppix mailing list is on the offical lists.debian.org website... |
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| 14:54.14 | wald0 | rgr: yeah, now i need to search files one to one :/ |
| 14:54.21 | wald0 | find -user root |
| 14:54.37 | wald0 | rgr: just tried, aparently is needed -group too |
| 14:54.50 | jordanm | wald0: find can perform and action such as chmod for your with -exec... |
| 14:54.51 | rgr | yes, I said earlier. |
| 14:55.00 | rgr | that wont help him. |
| 14:55.12 | rgr | becuase many of the files synced were not his originally- |
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| 14:55.39 | Marsh4ll | jordanm, is there a major difference between the 2? |
| 14:56.18 | emorris | dalias, upgrading works now :-) |
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| 14:57.20 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: \amethyst mentioned that it has config tweaks and newer drives. imo its a more suitable live environment but like abrotman said, it won't be supported here |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | yeah, so there! |
| 14:58.47 | dalias | emorris, what did you change? |
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| 14:59.41 | Kottizen | Hi, I'm getting DDoS to my server. How do I use uptables in Debian to block all packages that are bigger than 2048 bytes on port 6667? |
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| 15:00.18 | Arafangion | Kottizen: I don't think that's possible. |
| 15:01.08 | emorris | dalias, nothing. I thought I'd try again, pinged both servers, got a timely response and then upgraded and it worked. I blame my router or internet connection... |
| 15:02.21 | lindi- | Kottizen: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 6667 -m length --length 2048: -j DROP? |
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| 15:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: You can also throttle per-second. |
| 15:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: It is far more effective to block this at the router than on the actual server. |
| 15:17.33 | Kottizen | jhutchins_lt: Hmm, that sounds interesting. Since I'm totally new with IPtables and don't want to break my connections, can you give me a little example? |
| 15:17.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: possibly... |
| 15:18.02 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: I don't have the actual iptables command... |
| 15:18.54 | Kottizen | jhutchins_lt: oh okey |
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| 15:19.42 | jhutchins_lt | -S works though: |
| 15:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | iptables -A net2fw -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 3 -j ACCEPT |
| 15:20.57 | Kottizen | jhutchins_lt: I see, thanks! |
| 15:21.01 | Kottizen | dport should be 6667? |
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| 15:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | destination port, yes |
| 15:21.40 | Kottizen | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 15:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | right, you have to substitute your own internet-to-server |
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| 15:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | rule |
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| 15:23.02 | doomster | hi! |
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| 15:26.48 | OldParr | is there any forum for debian? |
| 15:26.57 | doomster | upgrading testing today, something replaced device nodes with a UID in e.g. /etc/fstab, how would I do the same for /etc-crypttab which wasn't converted? |
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| 15:31.36 | SteveC | Umm, how do I use dotdeb to get php 5.2.3+ ? |
| 15:31.45 | nsadmin | OldParr, see http://lists.debian.org |
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| 15:36.24 | nsadmin | SteveC: you could consider building the stack yourself |
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| 15:36.42 | nsadmin | you could see if it's in backports |
| 15:36.51 | nsadmin | you could try to backport yourself |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | SteveC: those dotdeb packages are almost always broken |
| 15:37.02 | SteveC | hurm |
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| 15:50.04 | craigevil | OldParr: forums.debian.net or http://www.debianhelp.org/ |
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| 16:13.42 | lmaowaffle | hello. i'm using debian squeeze. I'm curious to know what the differences are between the xserver-xorg-video-radeon, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, and xserver-xorg-video-ati. I'm currently running a radeon hd 4850. Which package should I use? |
| 16:15.09 | lmaowaffle | my guess is that, in this order, ati, radeon, radeonhd, support is less specific |
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| 16:15.51 | korhojoa | lmaowaffle: and also less features |
| 16:16.17 | lmaowaffle | korhojoa: less features for any given card? |
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| 16:16.34 | lmaowaffle | or for the hd-series ones? |
| 16:16.36 | AimHere | if you apt-cache search those packages, you see that the ati package just loads whichever of the other two is most appropriate |
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| 16:17.17 | korhojoa | lmaowaffle: well, for those, yes. i'm guessing the regular ati driver doesn't have opencl support |
| 16:17.56 | lmaowaffle | korhojoa: how can i tell which gets loaded? |
| 16:17.58 | korhojoa | away nicks? wtf. who uses that? there's an away setting |
| 16:18.02 | lmaowaffle | besides parsing the log? |
| 16:18.08 | korhojoa | lmaowaffle: well, check the xorg log |
| 16:18.17 | korhojoa | ehn, dunno :D |
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| 16:18.54 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: I like the radeon / video-ati driver. It is very stable and pretty fast. |
| 16:19.07 | lmaowaffle | rindolf: which card do you have? |
| 16:19.13 | lmaowaffle | r600-700 chipset? |
| 16:19.52 | AimHere | HD4850 |
| 16:19.56 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: I have an ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro card (r600) on my stationary machine. |
| 16:20.12 | AimHere | Oops not reading properly, ignore me |
| 16:20.15 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: and an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3500 card (r700) on my laptop. |
| 16:20.24 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: they both work fine with video-radeon |
| 16:20.29 | lmaowaffle | rindolf: so that's both ati and radeon packages installed? |
| 16:21.42 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-ati - see this. |
| 16:22.08 | rindolf | lmaowaffle: "This driver is actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon' sub-drivers depending on the hardware." |
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| 16:23.25 | lmaowaffle | not a big fan of the dependency on the other two |
| 16:23.39 | lmaowaffle | and it seems i can't have radeon on it's own with ati |
| 16:23.46 | lmaowaffle | else only install -radeon driver |
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| 16:28.20 | pkg | hi |
| 16:28.59 | rindolf | Hi pkg |
| 16:29.29 | pkg | could somebody know why aptitude tells "E: Package amsn has no installation candidate" so that amsn is available with aptitude search ? |
| 16:29.33 | pkg | hi rindolf |
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| 16:32.16 | jordanm | pkg: apt-cache policy amsn will show installation canditates |
| 16:32.56 | jordanm | misspelled that horribly |
| 16:33.08 | pkg | hmm no one |
| 16:33.30 | pkg | on packages.debian.org amsn does not available for i686 |
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| 16:34.21 | streuner | judd, versions amsn |
| 16:34.23 | judd | amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3; lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1; sid: 0.98.3-1 |
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| 16:34.38 | jordanm | !why is amsn not in testing |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | amsn is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=amsn |
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| 16:34.58 | streuner | !ssb |
| 16:34.58 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:35.40 | pkg | ok |
| 16:35.49 | jordanm | streuner: looks like in this case doing so may break 71 other packages? |
| 16:36.06 | jordanm | I don't know if I am reading that correctly |
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| 16:38.19 | slav | hi |
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| 16:42.27 | kian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.19 | dalias | no sane linux would auto-run software from removable media... |
| 16:43.26 | dalias | it's the #1 virus vector |
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| 16:44.32 | _doomster_ | kian_: actually, that's true. This "feature" is unheard of under Linux, the only thing you get is that some desktops automatically open a window with the content on insertion. |
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| 16:47.26 | kian_ | _doomster_, can you tell me name of this software? |
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| 16:48.26 | _doomster_ | which software, kian_? |
| 16:48.36 | will__ | gnome-volume-properties |
| 16:49.06 | Bushmills | kian_: yes. that would be a software which resets the computer |
| 16:49.33 | kian_ | _doomster_, if there is any software that I can make auto run CD's |
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| 16:50.14 | _doomster_ | kian_, not for autostarting on any Linux OS I'm aware of. |
| 16:50.47 | will__ | autorun CD is a serious security flaw |
| 16:50.49 | Bushmills | well, udev or hotplug scripts can do that. |
| 16:51.01 | _doomster_ | as far as creating those CDs is concerned, I believe you only need an .INI file with a certain format that tells the MS Windows Explorer what to launch. |
| 16:51.20 | kian_ | _doomster_, Ok thank you |
| 16:52.10 | dgeary2 | anyone here involved in APT or knows of anyone involved in APT? |
| 16:52.46 | abrotman | just ask your real question |
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| 16:53.20 | pinguthrasher | Jjh |
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| 16:53.39 | dgeary2 | abrotman, sorry, is there any way that secure apt could be pushed closer to the package level? |
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| 16:53.58 | abrotman | you mean like the md5sum of the package? |
| 16:54.13 | dgeary2 | abrotman, yeah, that kind of stuff |
| 16:54.17 | abrotman | that's already there |
| 16:54.46 | dgeary2 | abrotman, oh okay, where would i find it implemented? |
| 16:54.54 | timeoh | How are the functions called that prevent buffer overflows. For example in ther kernel which flags. There are some kernel patches (exec shield and PaX) but they are just optional. but i think there must be flags or system tools that prevent buffer overflows in debian |
| 16:55.12 | abrotman | dgeary2: when you download a package, apt checks the md5sum of the file, if it doesn't match, it will tell you |
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| 16:55.59 | dgeary2 | i want to create somewhat of an adhoc repository that can be trusted, sort-of |
| 16:56.14 | abrotman | so you can sign it with your key and publish the key |
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| 16:58.06 | webguy024 | ? does debian (lenny) already have email or do I have to install & configure it? If so what is the package name? I can't find exactly what I am looking for in google. thx |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | webguy024: it likely has exim4 .. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:59.27 | LetoPoole | webguy024: depending on your needs, you can also try «lighter» or different programs |
| 16:59.32 | LetoPoole | there are many |
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| 16:59.41 | rudi_s | webguy024: But normally you can't send/receive mails through this setup! |
| 16:59.47 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat and veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery hot day :) |
| 17:00.10 | webguy024 | thx - abrotman - I want to stick with convention LetoPoole - thx rudi_s |
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| 17:00.18 | webguy024 | found it in google |
| 17:00.28 | abrotman | webguy024: it really depends what you want to do with your email |
| 17:00.30 | dgeary2 | abrotman, yes, that would work and is the current method of doing it, however, is there a way that doesn't involve downstream trusting me? |
| 17:00.56 | lec | Guys, how do I look for latest version of MySQL Ruby C Bindings? |
| 17:02.07 | abrotman | dgeary2: they're installing your software, i think they already trust you |
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| 17:03.24 | dgeary2 | abrotman, that is not the case, they are simply installing software distributed as-is from debian, just not a full mirror and not current |
| 17:03.59 | abrotman | dgeary2: why wouldn't you just use something like approx or apt-cacher then ? |
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| 17:04.24 | NopaTop | FUCK MY LINUX HAS VIRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!HELP |
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| 17:04.46 | bzed | hehe |
| 17:04.46 | prince_jammys | heh |
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| 17:05.00 | prince_jammys | "quarantine" |
| 17:05.07 | _doomster_ | =) |
| 17:05.14 | bzed | /quarantine NopaTop |
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| 17:07.54 | _abc_ | Does anyone know what gcc version started supporting binary constants like 0x0110 |
| 17:07.58 | _abc_ | er 0b0110 |
| 17:08.17 | abrotman | there's a #gcc |
| 17:08.26 | _abc_ | thanks |
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| 17:08.35 | _doomster_ | I would have said Python 2.6 ;^) |
| 17:08.38 | dgeary2 | abrotman, while both are good and serve their purpose well, both would suffer from an abuse of download limit if implemented in my case |
| 17:08.47 | abrotman | download limit ? |
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| 17:11.46 | dgeary2 | abrotman, i merely want to distribute the debian packages that i have downloaded in cd image form |
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| 17:12.00 | dgeary2 | abrotman, i'm currently at uni and we have a 4GiB/month download limit |
| 17:12.13 | abrotman | dgeary2: that's what approx is supposed to help with |
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| 17:12.48 | dgeary2 | abrotman, i understand, however the entry cost is high as approx needs to be populated to be useful |
| 17:12.54 | abrotman | !repository |
| 17:12.54 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 17:15.16 | _abc_ | Is it possible to upgrade gcc from 4.1.x to 4.3.x painlessly? |
| 17:15.25 | _abc_ | Such as through a backport deb package or such? |
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| 17:16.31 | dgeary2 | abrotman, interesting... the secure apt part is what i'm interested in |
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| 17:16.55 | HermanDE | Anybody know of a way of running a command during SMTP of EXIM? I would like to immediately block on the first attempted relay.... |
| 17:17.07 | _doomster_ | _abc_: Debian/testing has GCC 4.4 |
| 17:17.25 | _abc_ | I'm stuck on etch for now |
| 17:17.45 | _abc_ | I will compile it from sources. Do I expect problems? |
| 17:18.05 | _doomster_ | can you install on the system at all then? |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | why are you stuck on etch ? |
| 17:18.10 | _doomster_ | or just locally? |
| 17:18.22 | _abc_ | Please do not tell me to upgrade because I will not |
| 17:18.33 | _abc_ | no bandwidth no time and that is not the problem to solve now |
| 17:19.16 | _abc_ | What is the mechanism to select the current compiler in debian? I have 3.x and 4.1 on my system |
| 17:19.54 | bzed | _abc_: make a simple backport than. well, try it. |
| 17:19.57 | _doomster_ | _abc_: I wont. However, Debian has separate GCC packages that can be installed in parallel, so if you could just install the 4.3 packages from testing, you would get a newer GCC with the least hassle. You don't have to upgrade all your sys. |
| 17:20.09 | bzed | _doomster_: wrong. |
| 17:20.16 | _abc_ | O.o |
| 17:20.17 | bzed | _doomster_: new gcc always pulls a new libc6 |
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| 17:20.25 | _abc_ | True |
| 17:20.29 | _doomster_ | true. |
| 17:20.29 | _abc_ | ouch |
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| 17:20.52 | bzed | _abc_: just get the sources from unstable and run dpkg-buildpackage in them. see if you can fulfil the build-dependencies or modify everything so it builds |
| 17:21.15 | _abc_ | Also what's the deal with suddenly needing _GNU_SOURCE enabled when usoing Posix functions like usleep ?! |
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| 17:21.36 | _abc_ | bzed: That sounds like a separate project then. Some other time. |
| 17:21.38 | _abc_ | Thanks |
| 17:21.48 | bzed | _abc_: is there a reason why you need gcc 4.4? |
| 17:21.55 | _abc_ | Also what's the deal with suddenly needing _GNU_SOURCE enabled when usoing Posix functions like usleep ?! <- this breaks a lot of things and is very annoying |
| 17:22.12 | abrotman | you just said .. and why didn't you ask #gcc ? |
| 17:22.15 | bzed | _abc_: thats not a debian related question, better ask it in a c programming related channel |
| 17:22.22 | bzed | or in #gcc, exactly |
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| 17:22.35 | _abc_ | I asked in #gcc too |
| 17:22.37 | _abc_ | Thanks |
| 17:22.50 | _doomster_ | usleep is documented to need _BSD_SOURCE or _XOPEN_SOURCE >= 500... |
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| 17:23.02 | dgeary2 | abrotman, i currently have a script that mounts a bunch of cd images and mimics a repository with only the minimum of duplication |
| 17:23.06 | dgeary2 | http://turing.une.edu.au/~dgeary2/personal/localdeb.bash |
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| 17:24.37 | dgeary2 | abrotman, this script copies and appends package files from the cd images but needs to create its own release files |
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| 17:25.27 | _doomster_ | can anyone recommend a tool that can generate a graph (resource usage over time) from raw numbers? I found gnuplot, any others, preferably with Python bindings? |
| 17:25.56 | bzed | _doomster_: python-mathplotlib ? :) |
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| 17:26.28 | bzed | _doomster_: gah, let me find the package name |
| 17:26.45 | dgeary2 | abrotman, the script attempts to mimic a debian repository in structure but authenticating packages fails because there is nothing to trust |
| 17:26.47 | bzed | _doomster_: python-matplotlib |
| 17:27.19 | bzed | _doomster_: the other option you have is to write the numbers into a rrd file and juse use rrd |
| 17:27.21 | _doomster_ | sounds like what I was looking for |
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| 17:27.53 | Kottizen | Best firewall for Debian? |
| 17:28.08 | jordanm | netfilter |
| 17:28.09 | bzed | Kottizen: there is only one for linux: iptables. |
| 17:28.18 | bzed | Kottizen: and pf for kfreebsd |
| 17:28.23 | AimHere | Maybe he means the best front end |
| 17:28.24 | Kottizen | I see, thanks. |
| 17:28.31 | bzed | Kottizen: what you might be asking for is a frontend to configure it |
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| 17:28.40 | jordanm | bzed: there is also the shorewall frontend |
| 17:29.17 | bzed | Kottizen: I would recommend ferm if you want something console based or fwbuilder (if you need a gui...) |
| 17:29.50 | Kottizen | bzed: I'm having a server, so a GUI wouldn't work. |
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| 17:30.19 | Kottizen | bzed: Or, to make the question clear: How do I (with iptables) ban IPs that connects with more than 2 connections per second? |
| 17:30.23 | Kottizen | On port 6667 |
| 17:30.23 | Kottizen | ? |
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| 17:32.15 | abrotman | Kottizen: fail2ban is one method |
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| 17:32.43 | Bushmills | Kottizen: frontends for iptables are often useless - they usually expect you to know what you do, and when you do, you can simply use iptables right from the beginning |
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| 17:33.45 | Bushmills | some sort of autogenerated a set of firewall rules, best used by those who don't know at all what to do with it, but those don't have specific needs such as you. |
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| 17:34.07 | Kottizen | Bushmills, Bushmills: Thanks, I'll check. |
| 17:34.24 | Bushmills | as consequence, read about iptables, and learn it. that's not wasted effort, considering you run a server |
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| 17:35.29 | barmagnet | hi. can vlc play porn? i was able to play some .flv files earlier but now it has stopped working. i am using debian testing version. |
| 17:35.45 | barmagnet | is the problem with .flv files or porn? |
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| 17:36.07 | Bushmills | only if you bribe the little censoring imp inside vlc |
| 17:36.33 | barmagnet | how to troubleshoot it? |
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| 17:37.09 | AimHere | First think I'd do is make sure your keyboard isn't sticky |
| 17:37.17 | _doomster_ | xine and mplayer both play flv files, in case you need that porn so urgently. |
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| 17:39.51 | barmagnet | i don't need it urgently. i like vlc player. so i want to play with it. |
| 17:39.53 | Bushmills | me remembers that imp-based device could be coerced into operating better when being threatened of getting thrown into the river Ankh |
| 17:40.22 | will__ | lol |
| 17:40.36 | AimHere | vlc -v and vlc -v -v and vlc -v -v -v give you lots of debug information that might spew useful error messages about missing codecs and stuff |
| 17:40.44 | barmagnet | thanks |
| 17:40.54 | AimHere | Also consider checking other file types to see if it's a general vlc thing, rather than a .flv thing |
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| 17:41.12 | Vanek | hi |
| 17:41.12 | will__ | vlc --gangbang myvideo should work |
| 17:41.14 | will__ | :-D |
| 17:41.37 | Vanek | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown - block(0,0) |
| 17:41.40 | ukl | hello #debian. I'm trying to establish a reverse vnc connection but I've got too little clue about this. I use "xvnc4viewer -listen 5500" on a debian laptop and some winvnc-thing on a winxp laptop to connect to the debian machine (which should then control the win machine)... I get the following output: http://pastie.org/1001940 which looks kind of right; but I can't see anything of the winxp machine's desktop -- Is what I did right at all? Is th |
| 17:41.48 | Vanek | reiserfs filesystem |
| 17:42.13 | bzed | Kottizen: look into the state and hashlimit modules |
| 17:42.27 | Kottizen | bzed: Ok, thanks! |
| 17:42.49 | bzed | Kottizen: man iptables should give you a good documentation |
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| 17:43.20 | Bushmills | Vanek: CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=m is stock kernel |
| 17:44.16 | Bushmills | booting initrd image? |
| 17:44.51 | barmagnet | AimHere, here is the debug information: http://paste.debian.net/77146/ |
| 17:45.11 | barmagnet | my question is that this used to work earlier but today I found that it has stopped working. |
| 17:45.26 | Vanek | Bushmills linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:46.55 | tharkun | I am looking for a filesystem that does not need to check itself every $time_period or $number_of_mounts any suggestions? |
| 17:47.01 | Bushmills | Vanek: well, if yo're booting a linux kernel, then make sure that reiserfs has been compiled into it, and not only provided for by loading a module. module can't be loaded before root fs is mounted |
| 17:47.11 | dvs | tharkun: you can turn that off |
| 17:47.23 | tharkun | dvs: not recomended for ext3 |
| 17:47.30 | dvs | true |
| 17:47.43 | tharkun | Therfore my question |
| 17:47.44 | nsadmin | no filesystem does not need checking |
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| 17:48.09 | dgeary2 | abrotman, i think i see the problem... i want to distribute non-current packages but still want them authenticated, is there a way to do this? |
| 17:48.28 | Vanek | Bushmills installed by default CONFIG_REISERFS_FS = m |
| 17:48.35 | frostschutz | tharkun: XFS - it doesn't even have fsck :) whether that's a good thing or not is your decision to make |
| 17:49.10 | Bushmills | Vanek: yes, that's your problem |
| 17:49.12 | tharkun | frostschutz: How mature and stable it is? It also needs to be fool proof. |
| 17:49.20 | nsadmin | xfs is fairly good.... but there's no way to shrink an xfs in place |
| 17:49.35 | frostschutz | tharkun: I've been using it for years with no issues whatsoever |
| 17:49.41 | nsadmin | why? are fools going to use it? |
| 17:49.52 | tharkun | no, i am going to admnister it :) |
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| 17:50.11 | barmagnet | what is xfs? |
| 17:50.14 | Vanek | Bushmills so how can I be? you need to install? |
| 17:50.16 | barmagnet | x font server? |
| 17:50.29 | nsadmin | yes, and a filesystem |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | dgeary2: why would you want to do that? |
| 17:50.33 | tharkun | !tell barmagnet xfs |
| 17:50.44 | tharkun | !tell barmagnet about xfs |
| 17:50.49 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: There's nothing inherent to ext3 that necessitates periodic filesystem checks. |
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| 17:50.56 | nsadmin | barmagnet, /msg dpkg xfs |
| 17:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: They're recommended for any filesystem. |
| 17:51.09 | Bushmills | Vanek: you'd need support for reiserfs compiled into your kernel image. though i'd consider changing file system of root fs instead |
| 17:51.27 | barmagnet | thanks |
| 17:52.19 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: for some reason i rebooted a server after lots of months running. The ext3 filesystem decided to check itself. Well it wasn't the fastet boot i've experienced |
| 17:52.24 | dgeary2 | abrotman, because most packages in a release don't change |
| 17:52.46 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: So you can turn that off, or you can schedule periodic maintenance including fscks. |
| 17:52.49 | abrotman | dgeary2: lenny has had five point releases and a large number of security updates |
| 17:52.52 | Bushmills | tharkun: yes, default after 180 days or 30 or so mounts |
| 17:52.57 | Vanek | Bushmills ok thank you) |
| 17:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: That's not something particular about ext. |
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| 17:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: It's the nature of random access rw filesystems that they need to be periodically checked. |
| 17:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I believe you can set up notification if a filesystem needs to be checked. |
| 17:54.58 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: ohh that would be great. I'll research further into it |
| 17:55.03 | Vanek | Bushmills and that no final kernel with support for reiserfs? |
| 17:55.27 | Bushmills | Vanek: support, yes. compiled into kernel, not that i know of.# |
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| 17:55.42 | dgeary2 | abrotman, out of the 21 cds in etch for i386 there are only 5 update cds in 9 point releases |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 17:56.09 | orzo | hello |
| 17:56.26 | orzo | i need help with my wifi card... perhaps there's a bug in the debian squeeze kernel |
| 17:56.28 | tharkun | dgeary2: interesting statistic |
| 17:56.44 | orzo | i dont see any errors, but the card wont work |
| 17:56.54 | orzo | however |
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| 17:56.58 | orzo | with the ubuntu kernel, it works |
| 17:57.02 | abrotman | dgeary2: so there are only 3.5GBish of updates? |
| 17:57.07 | tharkun | !tell orzo about enter |
| 17:57.29 | orzo | i have the firmware installed firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:57.41 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: Why are you using squeeze? |
| 17:57.58 | orzo | um, why not? |
| 17:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: squeeze is testing, intended to find bugs prior to release. |
| 17:58.32 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: Not the best way to learn Debian. |
| 17:58.34 | orzo | and that's what i may have just done, no? |
| 17:58.45 | dgeary2 | abrotman, but 3.5GiB nowhere near equals the original 30GiB, i want to share the difference |
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| 17:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: Probably not. You're probably just not familiar with the wifi setup procedure. |
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| 17:59.28 | orzo | well, if you would enlighten me, i could be a better tester :P |
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| 17:59.39 | orzo | has the wifi setup changed? |
| 17:59.41 | dgeary2 | abrotman, the proxy/cacher would most definitely be useful for the updates though... |
| 17:59.50 | orzo | i'm familiar with iwconfig and all |
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| 18:00.08 | orzo | as i said, with an ubuntu kernel (on debian squeeze still), i can get it working fine |
| 18:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: I would recommend re-installing with lenny, possibly using the backport kernel. |
| 18:00.45 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: That way you can tell the difference between potential bugs and configuration. |
| 18:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: One of the differences is that ubuntu uses non-free binary elements in it's kernel & drivers. You have to set those up manually in Debian. |
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| 18:02.21 | lec | How do I see which users are in the said group? |
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| 18:03.04 | jhutchins_lt | lec: grep group /etc/group |
| 18:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | lec: grep <group> /etc/group |
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| 18:03.43 | jhutchins_lt | orzo: There are a number of guides to help you in setting up wifi. |
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| 18:04.24 | xand | groups may not be stored in /etc/group |
| 18:04.28 | orzo | such as http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn ? |
| 18:04.31 | topgun21 | orzo, What wifi chipset do you have?/ |
| 18:04.42 | jhutchins_lt | xand: Certainly not on Windows 7. |
| 18:04.47 | xand | on debian |
| 18:04.58 | xand | they could be obtained via kerberos etc |
| 18:05.14 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: getent |
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| 18:05.24 | orzo | topgun21: i have "Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100" |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | that's mine .. works fine in squeeze |
| 18:06.10 | orzo | what kernel? |
| 18:06.14 | orzo | the latest? |
| 18:06.18 | abrotman | 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 18:06.19 | xand | "getent group" is taking a while to return |: |
| 18:06.27 | abrotman | i haven't rebooted to get the -5- yet |
| 18:06.30 | xand | enumerating AD I guess |
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| 18:06.48 | topgun21 | orzo, the iwifi driver should suit your purpose |
| 18:07.07 | orzo | i'm running linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 vesion 2.6.32-15 |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | and you have firmware-iwlwifi installed and you've rebooted or reloaded the modjule ? |
| 18:07.35 | orzo | yes |
| 18:07.50 | orzo | and the system messages say that it is loading firmware and report no error |
| 18:08.00 | orzo | and the interface is visible |
| 18:08.06 | orzo | and i can configure it all up |
| 18:08.07 | lec | Thank jhutchins_lt! |
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| 18:08.15 | orzo | but no pings or anything |
| 18:08.17 | abrotman | orzo: less enter key |
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| 18:09.28 | pallgone | orzo: so you are getting an ip? |
| 18:09.36 | orzo | pall, i'm assigning one |
| 18:09.38 | orzo | no dhcp |
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| 18:10.06 | pallgone | orzo: does it work with dhcp? |
| 18:10.59 | orzo | pallgone: i do not have that set up. It does show essids when i scan with iwlist |
| 18:11.28 | orzo | pallgone: with the other kernel, this static setup works fine |
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| 18:12.54 | orzo | oh wait |
| 18:13.02 | orzo | i dont know if it shows essids |
| 18:13.16 | orzo | I'm sorry, i forgot that i booted the working kernel in order to go online and chat here |
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| 18:13.38 | orzo | let me get another computer |
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| 18:15.34 | MrJK | Hi |
| 18:16.04 | MrJK | Is the command sudo aptitude --purge remove samba remove everything of samba ? |
| 18:16.22 | nsadmin | man aptitude |
| 18:16.31 | MrJK | I did it and I still have some files in /etc/default and init.d ... |
| 18:16.42 | MrJK | I'm surprised |
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| 18:16.59 | nsadmin | try dpkg --purge samba |
| 18:17.10 | nsadmin | and dpkg --help |
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| 18:19.00 | orzo1 | okay, i' |
| 18:19.16 | abrotman | MrJK: the package is samba-common |
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| 18:19.45 | orzo1 | okay, i'm booted into teh debian kernel. Scanning does work.. everything seems to look good, iwconfig show's that the interface is associated and up in ad-hoc mode |
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| 18:20.32 | orzo1 | dmesg reports "No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS network" |
| 18:20.38 | MrJK | nsadmin: oO whooot, why does aptitude --purge remove doesnt do the same thing as dpkg --purge ??? |
| 18:21.00 | orzo1 | But as i said, with the other kernel, this works. |
| 18:21.13 | MrJK | I'm lost ... So always use aptitude is not a real good idea ??? |
| 18:21.32 | nsadmin | as opposed to apt-get |
| 18:21.39 | orzo1 | maybe they broke ad-hoc for iwlwifi in the newer kernel |
| 18:21.51 | nsadmin | so, did it remove the files? |
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| 18:22.15 | MrJK | nsadmin: between apt-get and aptitude, I always heard that aptitude was better ... So it s totally wrong ?? |
| 18:22.16 | lmaowaffle | hi all. i noticed during my squeeze install that fstab uses UUID for root, boot and swap partitions. Is using LABEL instead okay? Are both LABEL and UUID generated around the same time, so that I can use LABEL for fstab as well as grub.cfg? |
| 18:22.42 | lmaowaffle | also, how do i automatically generate grub.cfg using LABEL instead of UUID? |
| 18:23.06 | MrJK | nsadmin: dpkg --purg <pckge> did it well |
| 18:23.12 | MrJK | +e |
| 18:23.42 | nsadmin | so there must be some problem in aptitude |
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| 18:24.10 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: you can use label for fstab but I am not sure if update-grub2 support writting grub.cfg using labels |
| 18:25.04 | MrJK | nsadmin: okay maybe I've done a mistake, but I'll check more precisely what's happen |
| 18:25.17 | MrJK | next time I need to remove a package |
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| 18:25.36 | nsadmin | did you used to use apt-get? |
| 18:25.55 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: alright |
| 18:25.57 | lmaowaffle | thanks |
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| 18:26.07 | MrJK | nsadmin: apt-get XOR aptitude... I chose the second one, and never the first one |
| 18:26.54 | nsadmin | so that much is a good thing, since aptitude is better than apt-get at resolving dependencies |
| 18:27.03 | nsadmin | dpkg has a different function |
| 18:27.03 | dpkg | nsadmin: are you using Windows? |
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| 18:28.11 | nsadmin | I'm not going to explain the difference; man dpkg, dpkg --help, man aptitude |
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| 18:30.43 | jelly-home | lmaowaffle: read /etc/default/grub as well |
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| 18:35.28 | steampunkey | hey i've found my layout in /usr/share/keymaps and loaded it via loadkeys. then I restarted console-setup. Still, I don't get qwertz, let alone my keymap on the console. any ideas as to why? |
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| 18:37.41 | pallgone | steampunkey: 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' ? |
| 18:37.45 | nsadmin | isn't it qwerty? |
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| 18:38.30 | nsadmin | why would you restart console-setup? |
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| 18:40.17 | steampunkey | pallgone: yes, i've used that to change the font. i'm telling you the layout is wrong in tty's nsadmin: mine is qwertz |
| 18:40.52 | OldParr | i changed my motherboard and since that epiphany looks in white color all the background how do i fix that? |
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| 18:42.58 | steampunkey | further more, directory /usr/lib/X11/xkb doesn't exist on my system although stexkbmap worked perfectly, and i have my layout and keys in X |
| 18:43.17 | steampunkey | OldParr: what do you mean? |
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| 18:44.35 | krtek | Hi |
| 18:45.08 | krtek | Hello, all |
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| 18:45.37 | isfranc | hello |
| 18:47.30 | gredin | hello |
| 18:47.57 | nsadmin | chello |
| 18:48.11 | OldParr | steampunkey: that i installed a new mobo and epiphany changed background colors sisnce that .... |
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| 18:49.01 | \amethyst | OldParr: on all pages? |
| 18:49.06 | abrotman | OldParr: your motherboard did not change your epiphany |
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| 18:50.04 | steampunkey | OldParr: I can't think of anything that could've caused it save changing theme. |
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| 18:50.39 | \amethyst | I mean, a change to the video card could have changed the gamma, so light grey now looks like white |
| 18:50.53 | \amethyst | but that wouldn't explain changing pages with black background to a white background |
| 18:50.56 | OldParr | now all the backgrounds looks white in epiphany, on every page ..... i have just tested it |
| 18:51.35 | \amethyst | OldParr: even http://blackle.com/ ? |
| 18:51.37 | lmaowaffle | jelly-home: what about it? |
| 18:51.45 | lmaowaffle | there's only an option to disable UUID |
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| 18:52.46 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.46 | \amethyst | OldParr: go to Edit -> Preferences, Fonts & Style tab, and make sure "let web pages specify their own colors" is checked |
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| 18:53.00 | \amethyst | OldParr: so is it just that pages with a light background look white? |
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| 18:53.31 | kaeser_ntbk | How do I install chinese? |
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| 18:54.00 | OldParr | Edit -> Preferences, Fonts & Style tab, and make sure "let web pages specify their own colors" is checked SOLVED THE PROBLEM .... |
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| 18:54.12 | abrotman | so it wasn't the motherboard! |
| 18:54.19 | \amethyst | OldParr: changing your motherboard wouldn't have changed that... so it was just a coincidence |
| 18:54.20 | jarred_ | I was setting up my ati card, and the instructions stated that I should use dpkg, i did a dpkg-reconfigure, and stopped it midway...and I think I messed some stuff up |
| 18:54.29 | nsadmin | it wasn't the motherboard?! |
| 18:54.30 | jarred_ | The graphical login isn't there anymore |
| 18:54.34 | JordiGH | How can I tell why a library is installed on my system? I.e. which package pulled it in as a dependency? |
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| 18:54.40 | JordiGH | Or a recommnds: |
| 18:55.04 | nsadmin | aptitude why [ not ] packagename |
| 18:55.15 | JordiGH | nsadmin: It says it can't find a reason why it's installed. |
| 18:55.23 | JordiGH | libosmesa6-dev btw |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | aptitude why foo |
| 18:55.37 | nsadmin | a -dev is a build dep |
| 18:55.54 | JordiGH | How do you check if I just said to install it manually? |
| 18:56.14 | abrotman | depends how you installed it |
| 18:56.17 | JordiGH | Looks like I did. |
| 18:56.22 | nsadmin | I would have thought the why output would have said so |
| 18:56.23 | Vanek | Bushmills put all files in a tar archive and changed the filesystem to ext3 unzip the archive to local disk and run the kernel, the same error |
| 18:56.23 | Vanek | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (0,0) |
| 18:56.23 | JordiGH | Removing it doesn't remove any other packages. |
| 18:56.27 | OldParr | \amethyst: i am sure nobody touched those setings Edit -> Preferences, Fonts & Style tab, and make sure "let web pages specify their own colors" |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | you did it! |
| 18:56.42 | Vanek | Bushmills how to be?) |
| 18:56.52 | \amethyst | JordiGH: aptitude show libosmesa6-dev would say "Automatically installed: no" or "yes" |
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| 18:57.13 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:57.23 | nsadmin | Vanek, there can only be one Bushmills! |
| 18:57.23 | JordiGH | still uses apt-cache show because for some reason aptitude show is slow. |
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| 18:58.16 | Vanek | nsadmin Well tell my account errors |
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| 18:59.08 | Vanek | блин еÑÑÑ ÑÑÑÑки? |
| 18:59.12 | Vanek | Ð¿Ð¿Ñ ÐºÑмаÑÑÑ) |
| 18:59.13 | \amethyst | !ru |
| 18:59.13 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 18:59.39 | jelly-home | heh, ppc in cyrillic ;-) |
| 18:59.54 | Vanek | )) |
| 19:00.42 | Vanek | help_) |
| 19:00.59 | \amethyst | jelly-home: ah, I was trying to figure out how 'ppts' could possibly be a word :) |
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| 19:01.41 | jelly-home | \amethyst: powerpoint files? |
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| 19:04.40 | OldParr | the mm-applet 0.6.6 icon changed from the upper bar to the lower bar how do i put it on the upper bar again ? |
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| 19:05.06 | Vanek | Bushmills ) |
| 19:05.29 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I'd figure that would be ÐÐÐ¢Ñ or something, but yeah, I guess :) |
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| 19:08.48 | craigevil | whats the aptitude command that uses the word "kobold" |
| 19:09.24 | jelly-home | craigevil: aptitude search kobold |
| 19:09.33 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 19:09.58 | alnr | i'm getting an invalid argument message runnng ssh, i have an STTY somehwere; is there a standard file like .login that only gets called for an interactive shell, does .profile and .bashrc always get called? |
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| 19:10.51 | craigevil | :) thought i saw it on the forums as a purge command but now i cant find the post, and google aptitude kobold results in tons of aptitude maintainers emails |
| 19:11.11 | jelly-home | !seen kobold |
| 19:11.11 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kobold', jelly-home |
| 19:11.18 | \amethyst | alnr: well, normally .bashrc only gets sourced by interactive shells, *but* bash running under ssh or rsh is a special case |
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| 19:11.36 | jelly-home | craigevil: could be part of a maintainer's email address |
| 19:12.07 | jelly-home | alnr: what are you really trying to do? |
| 19:12.23 | \amethyst | alnr: because of that, anything in your .bashrc that requires a terminal should be protected by if tty -s |
| 19:12.24 | wavedigit | Hi, I'm not very familiar with Linux in general so please go easy on me :) |
| 19:12.28 | wavedigit | In the dd --help manual it says before the example: "Sending a USR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying." |
| 19:12.41 | wavedigit | what does it mean by that? |
| 19:12.43 | \amethyst | alnr: and anything in .bashrc that prints something should be protected by if [ "$PS1" ] |
| 19:12.48 | wavedigit | standard Ctrl+C? |
| 19:12.59 | jelly-home | wavedigit: no, kill -USR1 pid-of-dd |
| 19:13.12 | krtek | Hi |
| 19:13.15 | \amethyst | wavedigit: ctrl-C is the INT signal |
| 19:13.24 | nsadmin | signals are generally sent by kill |
| 19:13.28 | wavedigit | ah I see, the INT of interrupt right? |
| 19:13.37 | nsadmin | so ctrl-c causes a kill |
| 19:13.37 | \amethyst | yes |
| 19:14.00 | alnr | jelly-home: \amethyst i had the if [ "$PS1" ] around some calls, not sure if thats the most reliable test (compared to tty -s). I had just read that some linuxes solve it via a .login file as opposed to an interactive test |
| 19:14.12 | \amethyst | wavedigit: one example of the USR1 thing: dd if=somebigfile of=otherfile & while kill -USR1 $!; do sleep 10; done |
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| 19:14.26 | wavedigit | and to find the pid of dd, I have to see the top command right? |
| 19:14.30 | \amethyst | alnr: .login is csh-specific |
| 19:14.39 | alnr | \amethyst: ah |
| 19:14.44 | \amethyst | alnr: there's .profile for sh/ksh/bash, *but* |
| 19:14.50 | \amethyst | alnr: .profile only gets sourced for login shells |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | alnr: that's still "how", not "what" you're trying to do |
| 19:15.01 | \amethyst | alnr: meaning it won't be sourced inside an xterm |
| 19:15.10 | \amethyst | jelly-home: he has a stty command in his .bashrc |
| 19:15.45 | \amethyst | jelly-home: but that messes up ssh user@host somecommand because stty doesn't have a terminal |
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| 19:15.55 | \amethyst | alnr: yes, the stty should probably be protected by if tty -s rather than (or in addition to) [ "$PS1" ] |
| 19:15.57 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I don't care about the symptoms until he tells us whittd |
| 19:16.14 | \amethyst | jelly-home: he's trying to ssh into this machine without getting an error message |
| 19:16.23 | jelly-home | \amethyst: nope |
| 19:16.27 | \amethyst | jelly-home: or are you asking why he has an stty command in .bashrc? |
| 19:16.46 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I'm asking... well, I said that already. |
| 19:16.54 | alnr | \amethyst: yes i have if [ -n $PS1 ]; then protecting the stty call in .profile |
| 19:16.56 | jelly-home | "what is the purpose of this exercise" |
| 19:17.04 | \amethyst | alnr: no |
| 19:17.07 | \amethyst | alnr: that's bad |
| 19:17.15 | \amethyst | alnr: if [ -n "$PS1" ] |
| 19:17.22 | \amethyst | alnr: without the quotes, it's always true |
| 19:17.26 | \amethyst | alnr: (almost always) |
| 19:17.45 | alnr | \amethyst: ah thats probably it tx |
| 19:18.15 | \amethyst | alnr: because when PS1 is empty/unset it turns into if [ -n ] which tests whether "-n" is a non-empty string (it is) |
| 19:18.31 | \amethyst | alnr: with the quotes it turns into if [ -n "" ] which tests whether "" is a non-empty string |
| 19:18.34 | smhar | what is this linux-base package that is included in when I updated my squeeze? it says it will change device naming from /dev/sda1 etc to some very long id |
| 19:19.04 | LetoPoole | smhar: that long id is the UUID |
| 19:19.11 | \amethyst | !uuid |
| 19:19.11 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 19:19.27 | LetoPoole | \amethyst: thanks :) |
| 19:19.49 | jelly-home | \amethyst, alnr: ve haff vayz of making ssh allocate a tty |
| 19:19.57 | jelly-home | makink* |
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| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | ssh -t, -tt |
| 19:20.05 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I don't think he wants it to allocate a tty |
| 19:20.09 | smhar | so after updating, can I still use old conventions? |
| 19:20.21 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I think he wants to avoid getting error messages when he doesn't allocate a tty |
| 19:20.30 | jelly-home | I don't _know_ what he wants, only parts of how he's trying to accomplish it |
| 19:20.32 | webguy024 | i setup exim4 on debian lenny - and I sent a test email but I didn't receive it. Exim4 mainlog is not showing an error during transmission. Do I need to setup DNS or something? In mainlog it resolved gmail.com during transmission. |
| 19:20.41 | jelly-home | !xyproblem |
| 19:20.41 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 19:22.13 | \amethyst | *shrug* |
| 19:22.26 | \amethyst | I guess I misunderstood the question then |
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| 19:23.23 | smhar | or whould I always need to use UUIDs? |
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| 19:23.55 | dboehmer_ | hello |
| 19:24.00 | jelly-home | smhar: both work |
| 19:24.08 | dboehmer_ | i have problems configuring lighttpd |
| 19:24.20 | dboehmer_ | i have 2 public IPs and want to run different document roots |
| 19:24.44 | dboehmer_ | therefor i set up two $SERVER["socket"]=="IPx:80" {} lines |
| 19:24.55 | dboehmer_ | how to disable the default server binding? |
| 19:25.05 | smhar | jelly-home, good, thanks |
| 19:25.20 | dboehmer_ | lighty always tries to bind to port 80 on all interfaces and rejects my special :80 bindings |
| 19:26.27 | dboehmer_ | when setting server.bind to "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" lighty cannot start and gives error message address family not supported |
| 19:26.30 | LetoPoole | smhar: the reason why it's better to stick to UUID's is that they never change |
| 19:26.43 | dboehmer_ | i've asked in #lighttpd but didnt get help |
| 19:26.55 | LetoPoole | smhar: other conventions might (never seen it, but seems to be treiggered on some kernel upgrades) |
| 19:27.11 | smhar | LetoPoole, maybe true, but it is hard to remember and to type :-) |
| 19:27.25 | LetoPoole | smhar: indeed :) |
| 19:27.30 | \amethyst | smhar: the reason to use UUIDs is that a future kernel version, or a hardware upgrade (e.g. adding a SCSI card) might change the order in which your devices are enumerated |
| 19:27.57 | \amethyst | smhar: with UUIDs it always refers to that particular filesystem, regardless of which device it is found on |
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| 19:29.08 | webguy024 | i setup exim4 on debian lenny - and I sent a test email but I didn't receive it. Exim4 mainlog is not showing an error during transmission. Do I need to setup DNS or something? In mainlog it resolved gmail.com during transmission. |
| 19:29.20 | alnr | jelly-home: yes \amethyst had the y. i hate when people ask whats x, cuz sometimes i really am asking about y, i want to understand y :) |
| 19:29.49 | smhar | so say, that I have a usb camera and a usb flash key, will each retain its UUID whenever I connect to computer? so camera will always be UUID=somdthing_a while the flash key will be UUID=something_b? |
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| 19:30.22 | \amethyst | as I understand it the question was "How can I ensure that a command is executed when an interactive shell, and only an interactive shell, starts" |
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| 19:30.38 | alnr | \amethyst: yep |
| 19:31.03 | \amethyst | the normal answer would be ".bashrc, and source that from .bash_profile", but ssh throws a monkey wrench into the works, hence the [ -n "$PS1" ] |
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| 19:31.22 | alnr | \amethyst: btw i found that i have a PS1=... in my .bashrc that messed up the test;, maybe i want to test for tty instead? |
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| 19:31.39 | \amethyst | alnr: put that inside the if [ -n "$PS1" ] block |
| 19:31.57 | alnr | ah so only change it if its set |
| 19:31.59 | redzed | hello. anyone who could help a bit with getting sasl to work with postfix, or got a good howto? (debian lenny) |
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| 19:32.34 | \amethyst | alnr: yup... interactive bash always sets PS1 when it starts, and non-interactive bash always unsets it (even if it was in the environment) |
| 19:32.53 | OldParr | after changing my mobo: the mm-applet 0.6.6 icon changed from the upper bar to the lower bar how do i put it on the upper bar again ? |
| 19:33.31 | \amethyst | alnr: this isn't the case for other shells |
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| 19:33.52 | \amethyst | alnr: the more standard way would be to check whether $- contains the letter i |
| 19:34.05 | \amethyst | alnr: but this is .bashrc so you can be sure you're running bash :) |
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| 19:36.19 | \amethyst | (more standard as in Posix; the traditional method for classical bourne shells is in fact to check PS1, and don't export it because that tricks non-interactive shells) |
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| 19:39.10 | alnr | \amethyst: bah, final issue, .bashrc does [ -f /etc/profile ] && . /etc/profile ahead of my test and that sets $PS1. works now ty :) |
| 19:39.26 | \amethyst | alnr: don't do that |
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| 19:40.19 | alnr | no? i dont remember if i did that or it was stock. you mean call the file or set $PS1 in the file? |
| 19:40.20 | \amethyst | alnr: though I guess I can see why you would... so that the PATH will be set right under non-interactive ssh |
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| 19:40.46 | \amethyst | alnr: I mean, don't source /etc/profile from .bashrc.... /etc/profile is intended to be sourced once per login session, not once per shell |
| 19:40.47 | alnr | \amethyst: that rings a faint bell |
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| 19:43.36 | \amethyst | alnr: I would instead either 1. set PATH in the else branch of your if [ -n "$PS1" ] test of .bashrc (an interactive shell should already be running beneath a login shell, so PATH should have been set) or 2. set PATH unconditionally in .bashrc |
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| 19:44.16 | \amethyst | alnr: neither is particularly nice, but sourcing /etc/profile from .bashrc is probably worse |
| 19:44.30 | Piratero | Hello everyone. I have Google Chrome manually installed. Is there a way to have it updated automatically through apt-get update? |
| 19:44.31 | alnr | \amethyst: ok. does it make sense to move the sourcing of /etc/profile to .profile? |
| 19:44.48 | alnr | no that doesnt help anything |
| 19:44.58 | \amethyst | alnr: if .profile is being sourced, /etc/profile already has been |
| 19:45.16 | \amethyst | alnr: under a non-interactive ssh, neither /etc/profile nor .profile will be sourced |
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| 19:45.28 | \amethyst | alnr: only ~/.bashrc and (on debian) /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:45.35 | alnr | right which defeat my intent of forcing the path to be set |
| 19:45.52 | \amethyst | alnr: that's why I suggested setting the PATH in the else branch |
| 19:46.02 | \amethyst | alnr: so it happens under non-interactive ssh as well |
| 19:46.11 | alnr | gotcha |
| 19:47.02 | \amethyst | another option would be to put the PATH in /etc/environment |
| 19:47.42 | eikenberry | Piratero. http://airakesh.com/blog/archives/2010/01/how-to-install-google-chrome-browser-chromium-in-debian-linux/ |
| 19:48.37 | \amethyst | since pam_env.so is included under 'auth' rather than 'session', that should work even for non-interactive ssh connections |
| 19:48.48 | Piratero | eikenberry, thank you sir. I will check this out. |
| 19:49.02 | \amethyst | but I haven't verified, so you might want to do some testing; also, this assumes your ssh is set up to use PAM (I believe that's the default in Debian) |
| 19:49.31 | \amethyst | alnr: anyway, I'm off; have fun navigating the maze of twisty rc files, all different |
| 19:49.42 | alnr | \amethyst: heh tya |
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| 19:49.57 | \amethyst | alnr: #bash might be able to provide more help |
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| 19:52.16 | webguy024 | i setup exim4 on debian lenny but I am not receiving to a gmail account. my dns is not setup yet - is it being filtered by google? |
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| 19:53.40 | rudi_s | webguy024: This won't work (most of the time). Better use a "normal" mail program like Thunderbird. |
| 19:54.01 | rudi_s | (Or if you want to work on the console maybe mutt and getmail to receive and msmtp to send mails to gmail). |
| 19:54.18 | webguy024 | yeah I work on a console |
| 19:54.26 | rudi_s | s,Thunderbird,Icedove, |
| 19:54.51 | rudi_s | webguy024: Then I can recommend mutt, getmail and msmtp; works very well for me (and procmail for filtering, spamassassin and clamav). |
| 19:55.10 | webguy024 | thx rudi_s i will look into those |
| 19:55.37 | webguy024 | curious what part of it doesn't work? google filtering it because of the dns? |
| 19:55.38 | rudi_s | np |
| 19:56.29 | rudi_s | webguy024: Yes, could be. But I'm not sure (I'm no mail expert). |
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| 19:56.49 | eikenberry | webguy024. Google might. There are more variables than that, but the big mail providers are a bit picky. |
| 19:57.01 | eli_ | what's the difference between samba and nfs? |
| 19:57.11 | webguy024 | how would i send a test to myself - 'testing' | mail test root@localhost ? |
| 19:57.56 | Vroomfondle | echo "testing" | mail test root@localhost |
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| 19:58.05 | eli_ | both are doing the same thing, can really know which is preferred over the other one or if they are working together! |
| 19:58.06 | rudi_s | webguy024: echo testing | mail root@localhost |
| 19:58.10 | webguy024 | thx Vroomfondle |
| 19:58.54 | rudi_s | webguy024: But that sends the mail only locally. I think the "test" doesn't work, mail -s test specifies the subject. |
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| 20:03.55 | Piratero | Is there a fix for flash player plugin 10? |
| 20:03.58 | adzi | starting enhanced syslog rsyslogdcan't open or create /var/run/rsyslogd.pid can't write pid |
| 20:04.02 | adzi | when booting new kernel |
| 20:04.09 | adzi | after update/upgrade apt |
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| 20:10.31 | webguy024 | i am having trouble finding the configuration file for msmtp? whereis shows its installed |
| 20:10.35 | simonrvn | adzi: check your /var/run dir |
| 20:10.47 | rudi_s | webguy024: man msmtp, there are some examples inside. |
| 20:11.10 | simonrvn | Piratero: a fix? bug adobe.... |
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| 20:12.00 | Piratero | simonrvn, it seems to be a MD5 mismatch. |
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| 20:12.40 | Piratero | When the tarball (from Adobe) is extracted, it's checked against a MD5 checksum. The script to install it fails. |
| 20:14.57 | webguy024 | if my dns is not setup yet, should I use localhost as my hostname in msmtp? |
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| 20:15.48 | rudi_s | webguy024: You don't specify your hostname in there, host is the host you want to connect to. msmtp sends mail to a SMTP server. |
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| 20:16.29 | webguy024 | ok i'm confused - what should I google to get a better understanding of the process? |
| 20:16.49 | Bushmills | maybe look at the man page instead? |
| 20:17.03 | rudi_s | webguy024: It's actually pretty simple. To send a mail you use SMTP to get it to gmail which then sends it for you. That's what msmtp does. |
| 20:18.14 | rudi_s | webguy024: The mutt wiki also describes this quite well: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MailConcept |
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| 20:18.39 | webguy024 | i think i might have the xy problem :) I am setting up debian lenny on a rackspace cloud server. It is going to run one website and host some email accounts. Am I approaching this correctly but setting up exim4,msmtp,mutt, etc? |
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| 20:18.45 | webguy024 | thx rudi_s |
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| 20:19.40 | Bushmills | "running mail accounts" for receiving mail you wouldn't want to use msmtp for. |
| 20:19.41 | rudi_s | webguy024: If you want to host mails on your own, then mutt,msmtp,getmail,.. etc isn't enough. You need a MTA like exim, but I have no experience in setting up something like this. Mail system can be quite complicated though! |
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| 20:20.08 | Bushmills | that's for when you don't want to run an smtp server yourself, and simply delegate the task of sending outgoing mail to another server |
| 20:20.12 | webguy024 | yeah scrap that then :) I am just trying to send email from the website |
| 20:20.14 | rudi_s | (And IMHO you shouldn't try this yet, until you have a good enough understanding how it works.) |
| 20:21.11 | webguy024 | so I setup msmtp to send to gmail? |
| 20:21.42 | rudi_s | webguy024: Yes (for example, there are other solutions, but msmtp can do it). |
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| 20:24.00 | adzi | simonrvn: and what with it |
| 20:24.03 | adzi | i have some problem |
| 20:24.17 | adzi | and /dev/sda3 where is my linux is read only |
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| 20:24.29 | adzi | on all kernels , only on first kernel work fine |
| 20:24.41 | adzi | and in /etc/fstab i have when errors then ro |
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| 20:24.55 | adzi | and in grub menu all is same as with first kernel, same hdd/dev |
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| 20:31.56 | steampunkey | how come there's no gmplayer in sid? |
| 20:32.20 | Piratero | Ha, fixed it. |
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| 20:32.30 | Piratero | It was my profile script that screwed everything up. |
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| 20:41.53 | piklu | hello guys |
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| 20:42.13 | piklu | whats the channal for common discussion on debian ( chit chat sort of ) |
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| 20:43.08 | petemc | #debian-offtopic |
| 20:43.42 | smhar | I have a problem with one of my computers running squeeze, pidgin is installed and the account -from ms messenger- is created but it is always showing 'connecting to network ...' even when I put it as offline |
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| 20:44.21 | steampunkey | i want my gmplayer :-( |
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| 20:47.47 | Guest47912 | Hi, I installed squeeze with the alpha1 installer from debian.org, but in grub I see 2 kernels: .32-3 and .32-trunk, what's the difference, and which kernel should I use? |
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| 20:52.08 | Arrowmaster | Guest47912: .32-3 |
| 20:53.11 | Arrowmaster | Guest47912: when you boot into .32-3 you should be able to remove the .32-trunk using aptitude then make sure update-grub is run to remove the .32-trunk entry from grub |
| 20:54.03 | Guest47912 | Arrowmaster: ok, so I should use the .32-3 kernel, but what does 'trunk' mean, and why is it included...? |
| 20:54.23 | Arrowmaster | it was just a name of a kernel |
| 20:54.57 | Arrowmaster | and i have no clue why they named it that since it broke the automatic ordering in grub and gets put before newer kernels |
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| 20:56.06 | Guest47912 | Arrowmaster: ok, thanks |
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| 20:57.13 | Kottizen | Hi, I'd like to know how why php5 isn't working with apache2. When I try to see a page, it askes me if I want to download the file! |
| 20:58.09 | dvs | Guest47912: trunk was a mistake |
| 20:58.22 | Guest47912 | ok ;) |
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| 21:00.02 | petemc | Kottizen: /msg dpkg pphp wants me to download still |
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| 21:02.25 | Mithra | Hello people! |
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| 21:03.00 | xand | Kottizen: install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 21:03.21 | Mithra | people how to use Nickserv to register my Nick, he get's me ban on #ubuntu?! |
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| 21:03.59 | xand | Mithra: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 21:04.14 | Mithra | xand, 10x |
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| 21:06.14 | Eupator | if any body knows, how can i do /etc/init.d/network restart in ubuntu 10.04 |
| 21:06.18 | Eupator | ??? |
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| 21:11.10 | xand | Eupator: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:11.26 | Eupator | ok |
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| 21:19.04 | hesco | I have just installed a new sata drive, in devices I see only /dev/sr0 (my dvd drive). How should I proceed to get it recognized as a device so I can build a partition table? |
| 21:20.00 | xand | in what devices? |
| 21:20.35 | hesco | when I ls /dev/sr<tab>, this was the only thing I found. |
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| 21:21.18 | hesco | Am I looking in the wrong place? I would have thopught that in Lenny, hal would recognize the new hardware and give me access to it. |
| 21:21.25 | diago | Hello, is it possible to attach a disk to a running guest without a power off? (libvirt, KVM) |
| 21:21.57 | \amethyst | hesco: is it a cdrom or other optical drive? |
| 21:22.05 | diago | hesco: sata drives should be /dev/sd(X) |
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| 21:22.29 | hesco | it is a sata drive, not optical, but a regular hard drive |
| 21:22.36 | diago | fdisk -l |
| 21:22.43 | \amethyst | hesco: then it will be 'sd' rather than 'sr' |
| 21:23.14 | hesco | thanks. I do see a /dev/sda, let me poke at it w/ cfdisk and see if it looks right |
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| 21:23.39 | diago | hesco: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 21:24.02 | hesco | seems to be the right size. |
| 21:24.17 | diago | then you are ready to go! |
| 21:24.35 | hesco | sweet, yes, thanks, ready to go. |
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| 21:27.50 | diago | is it safe to manage LVM from 2 different machines. I have a storage pool exported with iSCSI and the LVM commands run faster on the target than the host machine. It looks like changes show up in both either way. |
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| 21:30.08 | piklu | http://pastebin.com/U0vPKvPA |
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| 21:30.34 | Vanek | please give example from grub.conf to boot debian |
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| 21:33.31 | czerniaw | hi |
| 21:34.13 | czerniaw | can anyone tell me which version of KDE has now Stable in repo? |
| 21:34.37 | dvs | !info kde |
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| 21:36.23 | Bushmills | judd, versions kde |
| 21:36.25 | judd | kde -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
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| 21:36.48 | dvs | !info kdm |
| 21:36.52 | dpkg | kdm: (KDE Display Manager for X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3735 kB, Installed size: 5784 kB |
| 21:37.05 | czerniaw | thx |
| 21:37.08 | dvs | I guess it's 4.4 |
| 21:37.26 | czerniaw | i prefer 3.x |
| 21:37.50 | czerniaw | so i need to compile it ;/ |
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| 21:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that info thing was for sid |
| 21:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kde-core |
| 21:38.31 | judd | kde-core -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 21:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp, not better |
| 21:38.49 | dvs | !info kdm lenny |
| 21:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | something wrong with the ftp servers? |
| 21:39.00 | Bushmills | judd, versions kwm |
| 21:39.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kwm' was found. |
| 21:39.12 | Bushmills | bah |
| 21:39.12 | dpkg | kdm: (X display manager for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1548 kB |
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| 21:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't use kde, but stable has 3.x iirc |
| 21:39.27 | dvs | 3.5 in stable! |
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| 21:40.19 | czerniaw | a lot of people here |
| 21:40.24 | simonrvn | ,info kwin --release lenny |
| 21:40.26 | judd | kwin (kde, optional): the KDE window manager. Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6; Size: 1074.5k; Installed: 3472k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kwin |
| 21:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure one can use kwm for tracking kde versions? |
| 21:40.37 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^^ |
| 21:40.48 | simonrvn | pretty much |
| 21:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kwin |
| 21:40.56 | judd | kwin -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1 |
| 21:41.13 | simonrvn | ,info kde-window-manager |
| 21:41.14 | judd | No record of package 'kde-window-manager' in lenny/i386. |
| 21:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems to work.... well partly - where's testing and sid |
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| 21:41.26 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 21:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... name probaly changed |
| 21:42.08 | czerniaw | I hate kde 4, I had a lot of problems with it and what's more kde 3.5 looks better for me |
| 21:42.10 | simonrvn | ,info kde-window-manager --release sid |
| 21:42.11 | judd | kde-window-manager (x11, optional): the KDE 4 window manager (KWin). Version: 4:4.4.4-1; Size: 2377.6k; Installed: 6580k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ |
| 21:42.26 | simonrvn | ,info kde-window-manager --release squeeze |
| 21:42.28 | judd | kde-window-manager (x11, optional): the KDE 4 window manager (KWin). Version: 4:4.4.3-1; Size: 2376.7k; Installed: 6580k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org/ |
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| 21:42.49 | dvs | czerniaw: so get stable |
| 21:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the answer is that current stable has 3.5... we're just wondering about some of the results from the bot |
| 21:43.01 | simonrvn | they're accurate |
| 21:43.13 | Eupator | ff I found how to do this f interface restart |
| 21:43.19 | simonrvn | both judd and dpkg default to stable |
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| 21:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're also weird |
| 21:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant the ones from "versions" |
| 21:43.54 | Eupator | thay changed from /etc/init.d/network to /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 21:44.17 | simonrvn | it was NEVER /etc/init.d/network |
| 21:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, really, "versions kde" should do it... the metapackage should tell the version |
| 21:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also neer understood what that 4:<version> is about |
| 21:44.59 | simonrvn | there's /etc/network/ but that's something else ;) |
| 21:45.06 | simonrvn | !epoch |
| 21:45.06 | dpkg | [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>. |
| 21:45.25 | simonrvn | !version epoch |
| 21:45.25 | dpkg | The version number of a packge have a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1<6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision> |
| 21:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's /etc/init.d/networking for years |
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| 21:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think even potato had that |
| 21:46.15 | Eupator | :) |
| 21:46.18 | simonrvn | the meta-package has almost never tracked kde releases |
| 21:46.37 | amee2k | !nforce |
| 21:46.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 21:46.38 | simonrvn | not in its version string anyway |
| 21:46.50 | Eupator | any way, now all works fine! |
| 21:46.57 | amee2k | ... |
| 21:47.07 | amee2k | how do i get nforce4 raid to work? |
| 21:47.23 | simonrvn | !fakeraid |
| 21:47.23 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 21:47.35 | Eupator | 10x people! |
| 21:47.54 | simonrvn | you sure you want 10xpeople in here? |
| 21:47.58 | amee2k | hehe |
| 21:48.15 | amee2k | i want to switch it to mdraid anyway, but i need to get my data off first ;) |
| 21:49.01 | simonrvn | won't let you fetch it off one of the drives? |
| 21:49.01 | diago | md rules |
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| 21:49.18 | amee2k | nope |
| 21:49.45 | amee2k | that link isn't really helpful... seems to focus on installing *on* raid |
| 21:49.50 | amee2k | i just need to get the driver to work |
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| 21:52.17 | amee2k | oh, nice. dmraid does the nforce raid stuff too? |
| 21:53.44 | NoReflex | hello! I have a machine (Supermicro H8DM8-2 nvidia MCP55) with lenny installed. I installed the acpi package but there's nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone |
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| 21:56.00 | NoReflex | any ideas why it won't work? |
| 21:56.32 | kaeser_ntbk | cauz of linux |
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| 21:57.36 | NoReflex | kaeser_ntbk, what do you mean? hddtemp works ok.. but I'd like to know the temps and fan speeds for the CPUs |
| 21:59.55 | petemc | NoReflex: is the thermal module loaded? |
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| 22:01.07 | NoReflex | petemc, yes the thermal module is loaded - I checked with lsmod |
| 22:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | he meant to troll |
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| 22:04.14 | NoReflex | shame on him |
| 22:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice... hddtemp works for me, too |
| 22:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but can't see cpu temperature or fanspeed |
| 22:05.25 | craigevil | NoReflex: install lm-sensors then run sensors-detect as root |
| 22:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's because the chipset in this laptop is not supported ...anymore (it used to work with some older kernels) |
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| 22:06.06 | NoReflex | CutMeOwnThroat, I think I could get some info with lm-sensors and ipmitool but I think thermal monitoring should work with acpi |
| 22:06.54 | NoReflex | this motherboard is on a server machine (4x CPU , 32 GB RAM, 6 HDD's) ... |
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| 22:10.59 | sacho111 | what is a good stable CRM or KBM software that runs on debian? |
| 22:11.15 | sacho111 | *cms |
| 22:11.15 | somebody_stole_m | How can I copy files from a Canon digital camera? |
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| 22:13.42 | lindi- | somebody_stole_m: gnome? |
| 22:13.55 | NoReflex | craigevil, I tried lm-sensors but it seems rather unreliable...for example I have 4 CPUs (8 cores total) but sensors reports temperatures for only two CPU's and the fan speed for three FANs |
| 22:14.01 | somebody_stole_m | lindi-: a server. :) |
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| 22:14.18 | lindi- | somebody_stole_m: gphoto -P |
| 22:14.40 | somebody_stole_m | What won't need gnome? |
| 22:14.52 | lindi- | somebody_stole_m: it won' |
| 22:14.54 | somebody_stole_m | *that |
| 22:14.56 | somebody_stole_m | Thanks. |
| 22:15.07 | somebody_stole_m | I hope it will copy a 300MB file unlike Windows? |
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| 22:16.39 | lindi- | somebody_stole_m: better just try |
| 22:18.37 | somebody_stole_m | What's the package for it? |
| 22:18.51 | diago | I have an external HDD that is a LVM volume group. How would I go about safely disconnecting it. vgchange -a n and that's it? |
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| 22:27.05 | somebody_stole_m | lindi-: seems to be copying my file, thanks! :) |
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| 22:30.34 | jacekowski | hello |
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| 22:36.32 | diago | um, iscsiadm will not logout |
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| 22:39.19 | Voldenet | Ah, i'm wondering if there are any useful console-helper aplications |
| 22:39.41 | Voldenet | i mean clocks, cpu load... |
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| 22:40.12 | Voldenet | Something like conky-console ;) |
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| 22:44.21 | skeletal | Guys, how can I do for turn my KDE on Debian equal to MAC ?? in this case with docks!!!! How can I do it? |
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| 22:46.08 | rking | skeletal: no offense, but are you trollin'? |
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| 22:47.20 | craigevil | Voldenet: there is conky-cli but it very basic compared to conky-all |
| 22:48.05 | Voldenet | Ok. |
| 22:48.09 | karsten | sees "Voldenet", but reads "Voldemort" |
| 22:48.30 | Voldenet | Next thing - is there any framebuffer using consoles? |
| 22:48.37 | Yahweh | sees 'karsten', but reads 'some harry potter fanboi' |
| 22:48.43 | Voldenet | Which does not need kernel recompiling |
| 22:48.45 | skeletal | rking ?? |
| 22:48.49 | Yahweh | Voldenet, gee, ever hear of this google thing? |
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| 22:48.59 | Voldenet | Yes. |
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| 22:49.01 | rking | skeletal: I think you can start with Step 2, here: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php |
| 22:49.03 | karsten | Yahweh: Say, where's my promised land? |
| 22:49.15 | Yahweh | I changed my mind about that |
| 22:49.26 | Yahweh | man up nancy |
| 22:49.44 | karsten | Yahweh: ... and you haven't seen the Emma Watson swimsuit calendar. |
| 22:49.51 | craigevil | oh good now Yahweh is here he was banned in ##linux for being a troll |
| 22:50.04 | Yahweh | I've been here, for several years |
| 22:50.06 | emma | I don't think you should use the name Yahewh personally. |
| 22:50.23 | rking | emma: I agree |
| 22:50.25 | karsten | emma: As a Harry Potter fanboi, you're on thin ice too. |
| 22:50.28 | Yahweh | emma, I fail to see how that's any of your business |
| 22:50.32 | Yahweh | rking also |
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| 22:51.22 | karsten | skeletal: Well, Linux-is-not-Macintosh, but you've got some aqua-like themes and such. Where specifically is the experience fallin gshort? |
| 22:51.27 | emma | Yahweh: and I'm giving you my opinion anyway. Imagine that. |
| 22:51.55 | Yahweh | when the opinion is, 'I think you should drop your long-registered nickname', then I think you can keep it to yourself |
| 22:52.07 | karsten | Yahweh: Keep it on-topic. |
| 22:52.09 | Voldenet | Eh, damn it. I will just change my PS1 variable. ;P |
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| 22:54.02 | karsten | Voldenet: What are you looking for w/ framebuffer in console? That's a matter of setting VGA mode at boot, mostly. |
| 22:54.27 | karsten | Voldenet: ... and I'm a little unclear of how setting your shell prompt gives you framebuffer.... |
| 22:54.44 | Voldenet | Omg, i know that... |
| 22:54.52 | karsten | Voldenet: Ah: system status in shell prmpt? Check out PROMPT_COMMAND (bash manpage). |
| 22:55.09 | Voldenet | Nope. |
| 22:55.12 | Voldenet | Conky in console. :) |
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| 22:55.49 | karsten | Voldenet: "nope" what? |
| 22:56.22 | Voldenet | I am not looking for sys status in shell prompt. |
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| 22:56.51 | Voldenet | I am looking for prog displaying text in framebuffer drawed window |
| 22:57.05 | Voldenet | ...and framebuffer based console. :P |
| 22:57.39 | karsten | Voldenet: Console / VC, *not* an X11 session? |
| 22:58.11 | Voldenet | Xorg uses a lot more memory than fb. |
| 22:58.15 | Voldenet | ;) |
| 22:58.48 | Bushmills | fbterm |
| 22:58.50 | karsten | Voldenet: There's "twin" though I'm not sure if it's packaged anymore. There's screen. |
| 22:59.31 | Voldenet | twin is window manager for console... |
| 22:59.32 | Bushmills | and tmux allows splitting hor and ver |
| 22:59.34 | Voldenet | like vwm |
| 22:59.58 | Voldenet | But fbterm seems to be thing i was looking for. |
| 23:00.21 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 23:02.37 | qq- | , versions jfbterm |
| 23:02.38 | judd | jfbterm -- etch: 0.4.7-7; lenny: 0.4.7-7.2; sid: 0.4.7-8; squeeze: 0.4.7-8 |
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| 23:03.40 | karsten | So ... how do you display gfx on fbterm? |
| 23:03.49 | DynamicPink | Does anyone know what tool is used to download broadcom wireless firmware in squeeze? I have tried b43-fwcutter, but it doesn't download anything. |
| 23:03.50 | Bushmills | zgv |
| 23:04.16 | karsten | Bushmills: um... a web browser? |
| 23:04.23 | karsten | DynamicPink: ^^ |
| 23:04.26 | Bushmills | oops, that's svgalib |
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| 23:04.37 | Bushmills | links2 -G |
| 23:05.09 | karsten | DynamicPink: What's the protocol for accessing said firmwater, and/or the URL? |
| 23:05.44 | DynamicPink | karsten, last time it downloaded it on its own via ftp by using a debian command. |
| 23:05.54 | DynamicPink | I just don't remember the command name. |
| 23:06.39 | karsten | DynamicPink: module-assistant, perhaps? ma |
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| 23:07.02 | craigevil | DynamicPink: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 23:07.10 | karsten | !tell DynamicPink about module-assistant |
| 23:08.09 | DynamicPink | I think I found it from Synaptic |
| 23:08.30 | DynamicPink | There is a program called firmware-b43-installer |
| 23:08.51 | karsten | DynamicPink: Read the link craigevil posted. |
| 23:10.43 | DynamicPink | Thank you all |
| 23:12.07 | qq- | DynamicPink, usefully 'lspci -nn' about that interface |
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| 23:18.20 | DynamicPink | Yeah, it is weird. I got the wireless set up and had no problems, but then an update made the wireless really unstable. It would disconnect after a minute. |
| 23:18.55 | DynamicPink | Now it is semi-stable, but prompts for a wireless password for my router a few times after I boot up. |
| 23:19.15 | DynamicPink | I don't change the password, but click OK at the prompt. |
| 23:19.50 | DynamicPink | Kind of annoying, but I thought that there might be a newer supported firmware. Thanks again to all of you. Good night. |
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| 23:30.22 | fluffymuffins | hello all |
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| 23:35.59 | fluffymuffins | how would i mount with read and write permissions a hfsplus drive? i have already installed the needed modules, and my fstab looks like "/dev/sda1 /media/Untitled hfsplus user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw 0 2" yet for some reason since i installed the hfsplus modules, "mount /dev/sda1" looks like "mount point /media/Untitled does not exist" yet beforehand it worked, just no writing |
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| 23:42.38 | dasunt | Playing around with debian lenny with the backported 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 23:42.50 | dasunt | I can't chown the symlinks from cdrom to group "cdrom" |
| 23:44.47 | dasunt | So starting 'grip' as root works. |
| 23:44.54 | dasunt | Starting it as my user does not. |
| 23:45.29 | javagamer | Hi, I need some help switching from a trunk kernel to a normal one. |
| 23:45.45 | qq- | , kernels |
| 23:45.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:46.41 | javagamer | I have linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 installed, but I'm not sure how to start using that as opposed to the trunk version I'm on atm |
| 23:46.57 | javagamer | Do I need to change the GRUB2 settings? |
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| 23:48.30 | fluffymuffins | i try hpmount /dev/sda1, but it says the drive is not a HFS+ volume, when i know it is |
| 23:48.34 | Bushmills | installation usually calls on updating grub |
| 23:48.37 | qq- | reboot in new kernel, usually installation take care of grub |
| 23:49.18 | Bushmills | at least with debian, that is :) |
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| 23:50.17 | qq- | we talk about it here ;) |
| 23:50.34 | javagamer | When I did reboot (after installing the new linux-image) I still ended up in my trunk kernel, but I'll try again |
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| 23:51.13 | rudi_s | javagamer: Select the new kernel in grub when starting (I don't think it gets automatically selected as default). |
| 23:51.33 | javagamer | Yeah, just noticed that, got a kernel panic though : |
| 23:51.37 | javagamer | :( |
| 23:51.45 | qq- | fluffymuffins, it's a apple partition , if yes , try /dev/sda4 , as first 'usable' mac partition |
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| 23:52.29 | qq- | or > /dev/sda > 4 |
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| 23:54.58 | fluffymuffins | <qq->: since the disc was not mounted, i put it back on the mac machine, and it was declared "unreadable" so i simply mounted and unmounted with disk utility, and now it is mounting on my Sid machine at /media/Untitled, but still read only |
| 23:55.25 | qq- | !tell fluffymuffins about hfsplus |
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| 23:57.07 | fluffymuffins | <qq->: all i have under my /dev for sda is sda and sda1. |