| 00:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | by default? |
| 00:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see it in netstat either |
| 00:00.42 | daishadar | sorry, i don't think i understand... lsof lists open files right? |
| 00:01.00 | liable | lsof |grep TCP |
| 00:01.00 | daishadar | do i need to grep its output for something? |
| 00:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but everything is a file under unix |
| 00:01.25 | petemc | apart from some things |
| 00:01.39 | liable | like ethernet devices ;) |
| 00:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, like? |
| 00:02.29 | petemc | see above |
| 00:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, but I don't see the interface there |
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| 00:02.44 | liable | CutMeOwnThroat: no, but it shows the ip |
| 00:02.57 | liable | ifconfig will tell you which device that it |
| 00:03.02 | liable | is |
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| 00:03.27 | daishadar | hmmm |
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| 00:03.37 | daishadar | what about /proc/<pid>/net/arp? |
| 00:03.51 | daishadar | not that i have any clue what that file is |
| 00:03.58 | daishadar | but i see the interface in there... |
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| 00:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... |
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| 00:05.46 | karsten | daishadar: lsof lists open files, UNIX domain sockets, and TCP/UDP network sockets. |
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| 00:08.05 | gluon | Is there any forecast for the release date of squeeze as the new stable release? |
| 00:08.26 | karsten | !WIR |
| 00:08.26 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 00:08.53 | karsten | !tell gluon about squeeze |
| 00:09.11 | Bushmills | gluon: 12 October 2011 |
| 00:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, 25th January 2012 |
| 00:11.12 | karsten | April 18, 1906. |
| 00:11.12 | karsten | Damn, late again. |
| 00:11.12 | Bushmills | 2:33 pm |
| 00:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean it'll take so long, the calendar will have warped around? |
| 00:11.12 | liable | karsten: you've been saying that since 1765! |
| 00:11.58 | karsten | liable: Consistency *is* my watchword. |
| 00:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I was feeling old all the time |
| 00:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, actually I don't see above |
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| 00:15.28 | rtronk | http://linux.justinhartman.com/Setting_up_a_LAMP_Server <- following that im at the part where i should be able to load test.php and see the info but it trys to download for me insted. |
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| 00:15.56 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, whats the file that represents an ethernet device? |
| 00:16.21 | thepro4e1er | exit |
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| 00:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, what's the other thing? |
| 00:17.54 | petemc | eh? |
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| 00:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | <petemc> apart from some things |
| 00:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (note plural) |
| 00:18.35 | petemc | another ethernet device.. |
| 00:18.40 | petemc | pedant |
| 00:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a bit cheap |
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| 00:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | _quite_ a bit cheap |
| 00:18.49 | rtronk | how can i fix this php downloading problem. |
| 00:19.02 | liable | !php wants to download still |
| 00:19.07 | liable | bah |
| 00:19.17 | liable | dArK_IcE: wake up you good for nuthin.. |
| 00:19.19 | rtronk | i'll google |
| 00:19.21 | liable | gah! |
| 00:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee |
| 00:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands liable some bells |
| 00:19.48 | petemc | !php wants me to download still |
| 00:19.48 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
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| 00:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's the other thing if my only network device is lo? |
| 00:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 00:21.10 | petemc | thats a special case i didnt account for |
| 00:21.31 | liable | someones lookin for a fight! |
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| 00:22.17 | petemc | commens from petemc come with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. |
| 00:22.22 | petemc | +t |
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| 00:23.05 | Marsh4ll | is it possible to set iwconfig settings in a file to auto read? |
| 00:23.21 | liable | yes |
| 00:23.46 | liable | its in the iwconfig man page |
| 00:24.02 | Marsh4ll | its the /ect/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:24.07 | liable | its only one line which is easy to miss |
| 00:24.07 | Marsh4ll | in the* |
| 00:24.10 | liable | yep |
| 00:24.16 | Marsh4ll | i tried it :S |
| 00:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, there's also /proc/sys/net/*/*/eth* but I'd agree that doesn't qualify as a representation |
| 00:24.37 | Marsh4ll | does it require a restart? |
| 00:25.35 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: i made a throwaway comment, its not something i feel especially strong about either way, so sure, everything is a file :) |
| 00:25.45 | Appetite | Marsh4ll: pretty much nothing requiers the computer itself to restart. but you can restart networking i guess... i'm not sure about the question though ;p |
| 00:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, no... you're right and it's something that has always baffled me a bit :) |
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| 00:27.02 | liable | MadViking: actually, its man wireless |
| 00:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that there's no file representing it, not the general fact of petemc being right) |
| 00:27.17 | liable | MadViking: and yes, you have to restart networking from the init script |
| 00:27.24 | liable | Marsh4ll: ^^^ |
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| 00:27.36 | liable | MadViking: sorry, wrong nick |
| 00:27.46 | Marsh4ll | whats the init script? |
| 00:27.52 | thepro4e1er | how do i make an empty file in linux, in windows i could right click and select new file, whats the command to make an empty file in Linux? |
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| 00:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/networking |
| 00:28.00 | liable | Marsh4ll: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 00:28.04 | petemc | thepro4e1er: touch foo |
| 00:28.05 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
| 00:28.24 | Marsh4ll | it doesnt usually let me use that command |
| 00:28.43 | liable | Marsh4ll: you have to be root of course |
| 00:29.02 | liable | Marsh4ll: /etc/init.d/networking restart .. |
| 00:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'm not sure how useful a restart is... |
| 00:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't seem to do a lot |
| 00:29.23 | liable | reread the file |
| 00:29.42 | liable | but yeah, i usually stop then start |
| 00:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface> seems to do a lot more |
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| 00:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... it's nice that restart even keeps all your ssh connections running... |
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| 00:34.02 | Marsh4ll | could i add "iwconfig eth0 ap 00:60:1D:01:23:45" to /ect/network/interfaces? |
| 00:34.09 | Marsh4ll | thats incorrect syntax right? |
| 00:34.17 | liable | no |
| 00:34.23 | liable | read man wireless |
| 00:34.27 | Marsh4ll | i just have |
| 00:34.38 | Marsh4ll | i thought was only console commands |
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| 00:34.47 | Marsh4ll | it doesnt say abt putting it into interfaces |
| 00:35.45 | liable | prepend wireless- to all the wireless commands.. |
| 00:36.05 | liable | ie .. wireless-ap 00:60.... |
| 00:36.30 | liable | it shows and example for debian |
| 00:36.39 | Marsh4ll | yes |
| 00:36.49 | Marsh4ll | and i tried it a short while ago |
| 00:37.20 | Marsh4ll | i dont touch the loop thats in there do i? |
| 00:37.26 | liable | Marsh4ll: why arent you using one of the gui tools? |
| 00:37.52 | Marsh4ll | it comes with debian as default? |
| 00:37.58 | Marsh4ll | as im trying to get the internet working |
| 00:38.19 | liable | what desktop did you install? |
| 00:38.22 | Marsh4ll | kde |
| 00:38.34 | liable | the full desktop? |
| 00:38.43 | Marsh4ll | for some reason i get no internet untill i set ap again |
| 00:38.48 | Marsh4ll | its a livecd |
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| 00:39.05 | Marsh4ll | so i set ap, and get internet for about 5 seconds :S |
| 00:39.17 | liable | Marsh4ll: look in the system menu for network-manager |
| 00:39.24 | Marsh4ll | and have to keept spamming "iwconfig wlan0 ap" to get internet :S |
| 00:39.36 | Marsh4ll | yeah it doesnt connect |
| 00:39.39 | Marsh4ll | for some reason |
| 00:39.50 | Marsh4ll | not the knetworkmanager anyway |
| 00:40.17 | liable | Marsh4ll: if you have to keep setting that manually, having it in interfaces file wont help anyway |
| 00:40.31 | liable | once you have set the ap, it should stay set. |
| 00:40.36 | Marsh4ll | i know |
| 00:40.42 | Marsh4ll | it says its set |
| 00:40.53 | Marsh4ll | i just get no internet again untill i enter ap command |
| 00:40.56 | liable | and iwconfig shows the correct ap ? |
| 00:41.00 | Marsh4ll | yea |
| 00:41.06 | Marsh4ll | once im connected ofc |
| 00:41.16 | Marsh4ll | or set it |
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| 00:41.40 | Marsh4ll | i thought saved in a file would solve it :S |
| 00:41.51 | liable | its a live cd |
| 00:41.59 | liable | you cant really save it anyway |
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| 00:42.14 | Marsh4ll | well obv for that session |
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| 00:42.23 | liable | just use iwconfig |
| 00:42.29 | Marsh4ll | i have been |
| 00:42.56 | liable | if its being reset by something else, make sure network-manager is running |
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| 00:43.08 | liable | isn't* |
| 00:43.47 | Marsh4ll | knetworkmanager? |
| 00:44.11 | liable | look in ps ax |
| 00:44.55 | liable | bbiab |
| 00:45.23 | Marsh4ll | ps ax? |
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| 00:46.48 | amnesia | hi |
| 00:46.56 | amnesia | what's the advantages of using debian over slackware |
| 00:47.34 | oblu | amnesia: whats slack? |
| 00:47.41 | cast | you're using debian instead of slackware |
| 00:47.55 | amnesia | honestly |
| 00:48.05 | amnesia | i've been using slackware around 10 years |
| 00:48.12 | amnesia | trying to find something better |
| 00:48.14 | cast | do you like it? |
| 00:48.22 | amnesia | depends on what u mean do i like it |
| 00:48.27 | cast | then use debian for a year, and see. |
| 00:48.27 | amnesia | do i know it |
| 00:48.29 | amnesia | yes |
| 00:48.35 | oblu | amnesia: try something new .. finally .. |
| 00:48.39 | amnesia | do i like the usebase |
| 00:48.41 | amnesia | userbase |
| 00:48.42 | amnesia | no. |
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| 00:49.07 | amnesia | do i like waiting 1+ years for an update |
| 00:49.07 | amnesia | no |
| 00:49.18 | Marsh4ll | brb going to try again |
| 00:49.38 | amnesia | for real sell me on the idea on debian |
| 00:49.44 | amnesia | cuz i donno |
| 00:49.59 | cast | why would we take the time to do that |
| 00:50.10 | amnesia | or not |
| 00:50.11 | amnesia | i dont care |
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| 00:50.27 | amnesia | it doesnt make a shit to me or not |
| 00:50.31 | amnesia | i'll choose a different distro |
| 00:50.38 | amnesia | debians second best |
| 00:50.43 | amnesia | i was wondering why |
| 00:50.47 | amnesia | is all |
| 00:50.48 | amnesia | . |
| 00:50.58 | cast | if you don't care then why would you expect us to take the time to explain to you what you could learn by reading and trying |
| 00:50.59 | oblu | amnesia: please, stick with slack, you dont deserve debian |
| 00:51.16 | amnesia | isnt debian modeled off of slackware? |
| 00:51.31 | oblu | amnesia: please go away, we dont want you |
| 00:51.31 | cast | nope. |
| 00:51.53 | cast | slack and deb are very almost the same age |
| 00:52.00 | amnesia | almost |
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| 00:52.56 | gluon | why does aptitude install foo install n deps and aptitude purge foo issued one second later removes less than n deps sometimes |
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| 00:53.12 | amnesia | ya u right |
| 00:53.18 | amnesia | debian isnt for me ;\ |
| 00:53.23 | amnesia | too noobish |
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| 00:55.21 | padhu | Where is get Debian Live CDs for distribution? |
| 00:55.45 | JairunCaloth | http://www.debian.org |
| 00:56.39 | Tramp | !tell padhu -about debian live |
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| 00:58.55 | padhu | Tramp: yes. FOr Demo and Distribute |
| 00:59.32 | Tramp | padhu: ?? you should have received a /msg from the bot, telling you where to look |
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| 01:00.00 | lewq | does the latest debian use grub or grub2 by default in the net installer? |
| 01:00.10 | padhu | Tramp: yes sir. |
| 01:01.18 | rnbwpnt | so i have two heads on an nvidia card. i've got xorg.conf and randr working okay, except that i can't drag windows onto the secondary monitor. i can move a cursor over there, but the windows stop moving when they get to the boundary. wtf? |
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| 01:09.04 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Isn't that what xinerama does? Now you know what I know. |
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| 01:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh, what was that |
| 01:09.55 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, generally one is able to drag windows onto the second head. that's usually why one HAS a second head -- to drag stuff onto it. |
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| 01:10.46 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Except that X, by default, considers the 2nd head a different screen and allows a different user to login on it, assuming you've a xdm/gdm/kdm setup for the display. |
| 01:10.54 | karlpinc_ | s/screen/display/ |
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| 01:11.32 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, i don't have a second gdm set up for it. but that still doesn't explain why i can move the cursor onto it. and not a window. |
| 01:11.57 | karlpinc_ | If I run pvmove -v does it give me updates or does it just tell me more than I want to know and I should use pvmove -i 10, say, instead? |
| 01:12.46 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: You can move a cursor on a screen with no xdm on it. Is there a grey background or is the desktop on the second monitor? |
| 01:13.36 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, desktop background. |
| 01:15.07 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Then you've got me. You could check the X log. It seems the desktop knows about the screen. What desktop? (Not that I could help either way.) Maybe, say, gnome, considers it a separate "workspace", and you can't drag windows between workspaces. Which is totally lame imo. |
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| 01:15.47 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, yeah, gnome on squeeze. |
| 01:16.01 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: I guess randr is supposed to do what xinerama does.... |
| 01:16.13 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Maybe there's a gnome config option? |
| 01:16.44 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, if there is i haven't found it :-( |
| 01:16.55 | samantha-c- | the only config option i see takes me to a gui for randr. which works fine, except. |
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| 01:17.24 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: I can never find squat in the gnome configs. OI long for text based config files.) |
| 01:17.29 | gluon | most of the times aptitude remove/purge package removes all the deps of package. Sometimes however, even if I issue it right after install it only removes some of the deps. Why? Is it because some of the deps can be optional deps of previously installed packages? |
| 01:18.32 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, i don't mind text-based config files, but the X conf file was always a nightmare. i'm glad to see they're moving away from it. |
| 01:18.40 | karlpinc_ | gluon: I bet it's because of recommended packages. They are installed by default, but perhaps not uninstalled. It's hard to say how you'd automatically uninstall such. Maybe there's an aptitude option? I'm not sure how that would work. |
| 01:19.05 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: It's nice to know it's still there if you need it. |
| 01:19.44 | gluon | karlpinc_: ah, recommended packages! yeah must be that |
| 01:19.57 | gluon | and no, there's no aptitude option for that :\ |
| 01:19.58 | samantha-c- | "nice" in a qualified sense. |
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| 01:20.32 | karlpinc_ | gluon: apt would have to keep track of which recommended packages were automatically installed, by what. Then when they're all orphaned they'd be removed. This would be a differenet sort of automatically installed package than dependencies. Perhaps a feature request is in order? |
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| 01:20.55 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: "nice" for some value of "nice". ;-) |
| 01:21.27 | samantha-c- | lol yeah, where 0 < nice < 0.00000000001 |
| 01:22.13 | gluon | karlpinc_: yeah! |
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| 01:22.29 | gluon | I would vote for that feature |
| 01:22.56 | gluon | I often install packages just to try something out and then remove them |
| 01:23.04 | djura-san | it's time to get some sleep. have a nice chat peeps and a good night/day :) |
| 01:23.08 | samantha-c- | shit. i think the mediterranian food i just ate is giving me a migraine. |
| 01:23.25 | gluon | well, turning off the installation of suggested packages in the first place would work even better :) |
| 01:25.02 | gluon | recommnded I mean |
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| 01:25.52 | Tramp | gluon: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 01:27.11 | gluon | Tramp: thanks |
| 01:27.35 | karlpinc_ | !install recommends |
| 01:27.40 | gluon | though I've just found recommended packages are removed! |
| 01:27.45 | gluon | must be something else then |
| 01:28.05 | Tramp | gluon: I think karlpinc referred to the priority of an automatically installed package |
| 01:28.32 | Tramp | gluon: e.g. if an "important" package is automatically installed, it is maybe not removed (not sure about that though) |
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| 01:29.19 | karlpinc_ | !why recommends |
| 01:29.19 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality. |
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| 01:30.34 | gluon | !why suggests |
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| 01:33.17 | samantha-c- | oh yay. the rsync has started. |
| 01:33.43 | samantha-c- | too bad it's going slower than frozen dog shit rolling up hill. |
| 01:33.47 | karlpinc_ | Tramp: Acutally, I'm wondering whether any recommended package that's automatically installed is marked as "auto", as in "aptitude search '~M'". |
| 01:34.19 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: That's nothing on the pvmove I'm doing. 1% every 30 seconds. |
| 01:34.35 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, local lan? |
| 01:35.10 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Nope. 160 scsi. |
| 01:35.46 | Tramp | karlpinc_: afaik, if you do "aptitude install foo" and foo recommends/suggests bar and bar is pulled in as a result, then "bar" is marked as automatically installed |
| 01:35.49 | samantha-c- | oh. i'm doing this over cable modem. about 18g in four isos. two are already down but rsync is re-checking them. |
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| 01:36.23 | Tramp | karlpinc_: unlike "foo" which is not automatically installed but was given as an argument on the cmdline to aptitude |
| 01:36.48 | karlpinc_ | Tramp: Ok. Makes sense. |
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| 01:37.36 | samantha-c- | it's checking at 3meg/sec tho |
| 01:37.39 | samantha-c- | so ... sometime tomorrow? |
| 01:38.26 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: That's strange. I thought rsync checksummed, so it should be limited by the io bandwidth to the disk on each end -- for existing files. |
| 01:38.55 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: If it's doing more than just checking timestamps. Maybe you're not using ntp? |
| 01:39.10 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, the source isn't an especially fast computer, and the destination is a usb drive. even so, i've seen the usb drive do 20 meg/sec. no it's not just checking timestamps. |
| 01:39.26 | samantha-c- | if it were just checking timestamps it would be done now and moved on to stuff that hasn't been transferred. |
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| 01:43.54 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Something is wrong. rsync does not copy data just for funzies. |
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| 01:46.27 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, it's not transferring, it's just doing checksums. it's moving way too fast for it to actually be moving real data. |
| 01:47.22 | vili | I'm trying to install Debian testing on my laptop and it can't configure network with DHCP, I've run Ubuntu on it before so I know the hardware works with linux, even not using wireless and connecting an ethernet cable straight from my router to my laptop won't work. Any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 01:48.08 | karlpinc_ | vili: You'll have to describe the problem, in detail. |
| 01:48.19 | karlpinc_ | vili: Did it install? |
| 01:48.43 | vili | It didn't |
| 01:48.58 | vili | It's a netinstall |
| 01:49.07 | karlpinc_ | vili: try kmuto |
| 01:49.10 | karlpinc_ | !kmuto |
| 01:49.10 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 01:49.37 | vili | I'll try it, thanks |
| 01:49.57 | karlpinc_ | vili: If you're new to debian you may or may not want to run testing. It breaks. |
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| 01:50.30 | vili | I've run Debian testing before (but not on this laptop) |
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| 01:51.57 | vili | Oh and I tired a live iso, XFCE connected but the installer still wouldn't |
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| 01:53.26 | karlpinc_ | vili: Note that the kernel the installer runs will likely not be the one installed, so you may need to stay booted in the installer to continue on and get a new-enough kernel. I've not ever installed testing so I'm out of my depth. |
| 01:56.30 | samantha-c- | maybe i should just say screw it and install kde. at least in kde i can do a slideshow background easily. |
| 01:56.45 | samantha-c- | so i can have pics of my nekkid grrlz with me all the time. |
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| 01:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, you got to get your priorities right |
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| 01:58.46 | Xenguy | .oO(Prior-ities: things you shoulda known were important a long time ago ;-) |
| 01:58.50 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, we all have something that makes us tick. i am more comfortable now in my own skin than i ever have been, and what other people think is crazy is some of the stuff i love best these days. :-) i just wish i could connect to undernet from debian. :-/ |
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| 02:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | George Bush? |
| 02:00.33 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, uh. huh? |
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| 02:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | seemed pretty crazy to me at times |
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| 02:16.16 | karlpinc_ | I've a SATA disk that's going bad (or maybe is already lost, but...). It's part of an lvm vg. I'm thinking the best/fastest thing to do is dd it to another, larger, sata drive and then deal with moving the data around so as to take advantage of the new larger disk later. Any better suggestions? |
| 02:20.04 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, not really, no. |
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| 02:20.19 | karlpinc_ | On another matter I've a scsi disk that's throwing read errors in dmesg, and I've run fsck multiple times and am always left with more errors. But smartctl tells me the drive is still good (and that it's only seen 12 uncorrectable read errors). I'll likely replace the disk anyway, but why is smart not telling me the drive's got problems? |
| 02:20.58 | karsten | karlpinc_: SMART may not play well with SATA devices. |
| 02:21.14 | karlpinc_ | karsten: That one's scsi. |
| 02:21.56 | karlpinc_ | Kinda old seagates, but I wouldn't think so old that the smart is broken. |
| 02:22.26 | karsten | OK. Anyhow, I've had mixed results with SMART. Actual data errors generally trump any test results. |
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| 02:24.42 | huhuhu | Install Windows: problems solved |
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| 02:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | puberty... |
| 02:26.40 | Xenguy | sad :P |
| 02:27.20 | samantha-c- | lack of, actually. i call them dickless bastards trying to have a one-man penis-waving contest. |
| 02:27.21 | Xenguy | or possibly just stupid :P |
| 02:27.25 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Think he'll ever reach it? |
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| 02:27.42 | Xenguy | it's a long row to hoe |
| 02:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I think he's in it and he's male and all the blood that normally feeds brain cells is busy somewhere else |
| 02:28.25 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Given he's reinstalling Windows: that would be powering his mouse finter. |
| 02:28.28 | karsten | finger. |
| 02:28.56 | samantha-c- | i don't get why i can't log onto undernet under debian. wtf is up with those assholes (poorly) running their servers? |
| 02:29.29 | cast | samantha-c-: they checking your client version? |
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| 02:30.05 | cast | ..undernet, maybe they're doing you a favor :) |
| 02:30.33 | samantha-c- | cast: i don't know what they're doing. with identd firewalled, under windows i get a challenge response. under debian i get g-lined with a referral to a spyware seller. (wtf?) with identd turned on, i get g-lined saying too many drones. |
| 02:31.14 | cast | its well known if you don't use mirc/windows you're a bot |
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| 02:31.32 | samantha-c- | obviously. actually mirc isn't a bad piece of software. |
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| 02:32.15 | cast | its crap. |
| 02:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I get a challenge |
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| 02:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-c-, must be your karma |
| 02:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, karma samantha-c- |
| 02:33.17 | dpkg | samantha-c- has neutral karma |
| 02:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | weerrl |
| 02:33.27 | samantha-c- | my karma just ran over your dogma. |
| 02:33.47 | liable | my dogma is full of smegma |
| 02:33.49 | liable | wait |
| 02:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | leave my ma and my dog out of this |
| 02:33.56 | liable | i think i got5 that mixed up |
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| 02:36.14 | karlpinc_ | So, I just ran smartctl -t short, and -t long, on the failing scsi drive and it came up with the test results as "Completed, segment failed". WTF does that mean? I guess I'm off to google. |
| 02:36.55 | karsten | karlpinc_: Sounds like SMART failed to execute properly, which doesn't bode well for the device. |
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| 02:38.22 | samantha-c- | is there an identd that will let me specify an arbitrary response in a conf or rcfile? |
| 02:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | man 5 got |
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| 02:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | what client do you use? |
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| 02:39.12 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 02:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | to connect there? |
| 02:39.25 | samantha-c- | to undernet? xchat |
| 02:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, same here |
| 02:40.03 | samantha-c- | my username looks like it's random, which may be part of it (tho it's def not random) |
| 02:40.05 | Tramp | karlpinc_: if those fail, it means a sector fails on /read/. SMART only does /read/ testing. The disk firmware reallocates on /write/. so you can either wait till the sector is overwritten or try to find it and write to it yourself |
| 02:41.07 | liable | i just had to typ /quote pass 15844 |
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| 02:41.12 | liable | and connected to undernet |
| 02:41.23 | Tramp | karlpinc_: finding the filesystem-block which corresponds to the sector reported failing (and finding the file it is in) can be a rather difficult task |
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| 02:48.32 | samantha-c- | liable i'm curious to know how your setup differs from mine because i'm k-lined or g-lined or told i have a trojan |
| 02:48.51 | liable | samantha-c-: dunno, i'm using irssi though |
| 02:49.22 | liable | it did say something about ident, then told me to /quote pass blah and it connected |
| 02:49.34 | samantha-c- | 21:49 -!- ERROR Closing Link: rnbwpnt by SantaAna.CA.US.Undernet.org ([klined] |
| 02:49.35 | samantha-c- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.42 | samantha-c- | that's what i get with identd running |
| 02:50.11 | liable | if you've been klined, your kinda screwed |
| 02:50.12 | cockroach | hi. i have a usb sound device and i would like to route its output channel via my regular sound card. any hints? :) |
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| 02:50.52 | samantha-c- | liable: but it's an automatic k-line. if i connect from a windows box using mirc from behind the same firewall on the same ip and the same isp, i get in like you do, after a /quote pass challenge response |
| 02:50.55 | courpse | When using multiple graphics cards and configuring them in xorg.conf, i seem to get segfault when intaliazing int10() when booting startx. |
| 02:51.05 | liable | \oh, ok |
| 02:51.31 | courpse | Anyone seen this before? |
| 02:51.54 | samantha-c- | courpse, i used the Section "Screen" section at wiki.debian.org/MacBook to get my dual-head working on an nVidia card. |
| 02:52.16 | samantha-c- | courpse: the external monitor section. all i needed to know was the size of the desktop |
| 02:52.18 | courpse | Yes, is that dual head or dual gfx card? |
| 02:52.22 | liable | samantha-c-: same with no identd? and you have the server window open? |
| 02:52.34 | samantha-c- | courpse: dual-head, single card |
| 02:52.36 | liable | maybe xchat forces something |
| 02:52.47 | samantha-c- | liable: same thing in irssi |
| 02:52.49 | courpse | samantha-c-: The issue lays in dual card. |
| 02:52.59 | liable | samantha-c-: urgh, weird |
| 02:53.38 | courpse | Single card dual head is fine, but multi card bums out. |
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| 02:55.44 | samantha-c- | liable: without identd i get this: http://paste.debian.net/76183/ |
| 02:57.37 | liable | thats odd |
| 02:57.47 | liable | i wonder what port thats looking at |
| 02:57.59 | samantha-c- | identd runs on 113 |
| 02:58.03 | liable | try running wireshark and see what its probing |
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| 02:59.01 | liable | you running samba or something on that box? |
| 02:59.10 | vili | karlpinc_: kmuto did the trick, thanks for the help |
| 02:59.11 | samantha-c- | liable, no. |
| 02:59.35 | liable | paste your netstat -pantu |
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| 03:02.01 | samantha-c- | liable: http://paste.debian.net/76184/ |
| 03:02.41 | liable | looks normal |
| 03:02.57 | samantha-c- | yup |
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| 03:08.14 | samantha-c- | grrrr |
| 03:08.16 | liable | samantha-c-: what a shitty network, nothing in their help FAQ about it |
| 03:08.43 | liable | samantha-c-: try another server http://help.undernet.org/faq.php?what=serverlist |
| 03:08.44 | samantha-c- | liable: i can't even reach their fucking web page |
| 03:09.34 | tharkun | samantha-c-: have you tried a proxy? |
| 03:09.52 | samantha-c- | tharkun, what kind of proxy where? |
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| 03:10.07 | extor | Are there any distros for the original apple imac? 233 Mhz PPC? |
| 03:10.09 | tharkun | tor or something like it |
| 03:10.54 | samantha-c- | extor: there is a ppc version of debian. getting it running on one of those machines can be a fun. |
| 03:11.11 | samantha-c- | was it ppc that was discontinued, or m68k? i forget now |
| 03:11.28 | extor | why would it be problematic running it on that machine? |
| 03:11.43 | extor | It's got 32MB RAM and a 4GB hard drive if that helps |
| 03:12.08 | samantha-c- | extor: not running it. getting it installed. that's a pretty crappy machine for a modern distribution. take a look at the debian.org install instructions for ppc and see what you can see. |
| 03:12.20 | liable | that amount of ram might not be enough, i forget what 2.6 needs these days |
| 03:12.50 | tharkun | 128 |
| 03:13.01 | liable | not that high i dont think |
| 03:13.16 | tharkun | with X |
| 03:13.33 | liable | i'm talking just being able to load the kernel and boot |
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| 03:14.03 | extor | Hrmm yeah tbh I donno how to even boot off a CD..theres no BIOS screen or anything when I boot it up |
| 03:14.11 | tharkun | with a custom kernel and poking around with libc you can manage with 8 mb |
| 03:14.28 | liable | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s05.html.en |
| 03:14.28 | extor | Oh damn so I can't run X on it |
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| 03:14.32 | liable | 32MB |
| 03:14.36 | extor | wooooooooo |
| 03:15.11 | samantha-c- | yeah you're not going to like that machine. doorstop. |
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| 03:16.16 | tharkun | If it has two eth ports it can be a nice fw |
| 03:16.33 | samantha-c- | imacs didn't come with two eth ports |
| 03:16.52 | samantha-c- | i'd be surprised if that machine came with one |
| 03:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, something occured to me |
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| 03:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-c-, are you female, as your nick suggests? |
| 03:17.28 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, last time i looked, yes. |
| 03:17.43 | tharkun | lol |
| 03:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit, you're not going according to script |
| 03:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought you'd answer the same as to the guy yesterday... |
| 03:18.23 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm supposed to be blonde, with big tits, flighty and stupid, begging for help from you nerdly well-hung geeks? |
| 03:18.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I realized I have the perfect nick for that answer :) |
| 03:18.43 | samantha-c- | i don't remember what i said yesterday |
| 03:19.02 | karlpinc_ | I ran X and lxde with 48M of ram. Don't. |
| 03:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... bad memory is not the same as stupid but guess it'll have to do :-P |
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| 03:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, talk about bad memory, I remembered it slightly different |
| 03:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | <samantha-c> spersaud: are you as big a jackass as your name implies? |
| 03:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but anyway... YES! (note nick) |
| 03:21.15 | samantha-c- | CutMeOwnThroat, oh. yeah. that one. that guy was being a dick, too, as i recall. |
| 03:21.26 | samantha-c- | most people who ask that question either want to hit on me or think i'm a guy. |
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| 03:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or both? |
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| 03:22.16 | samantha-c- | anything's possible i guess |
| 03:22.25 | samantha-c- | but i don't go for hngs |
| 03:24.32 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: The possiblity occurred to me that your female-esque nick is a sneaky ploy to get support. (I had to think about it because you changed your nick after asking a question.) Anything's possible, and who cares? |
| 03:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bill gates does |
| 03:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly not |
| 03:25.23 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, that's because the nick had defaulted to my meaningless-to-anyone-else username |
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| 03:26.07 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: It called upon all my reserves of irc-fu to be able to figure out what happned. :-) |
| 03:26.30 | samantha-c- | karlpinc, is that something along the lines of conservation of ninjitsu? |
| 03:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, sorry for leading us OT... it had just occurred to me I had the perfect nick for that answer (guess this is the time to mention #debian-offtopic) |
| 03:26.55 | karlpinc_ | FYI. pvmove -i 10 works fine. I didn't try it with -v. All done. bye |
| 03:27.19 | samantha-c- | my rsync is still running but now it's moving new data. at 500k/sec. eta about 6 hours. |
| 03:27.25 | samantha-c- | until it slows down. |
| 03:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was some aprupt exit |
| 03:28.41 | samantha-c- | so i have been seeding the 2010-06-02 session of Prime Minister's Questions for ... uh ... almost two days now, and my ratio is up over 8.5. i guess i can take it down now. |
| 03:28.56 | tharkun | yes |
| 03:29.55 | samantha-c- | was certainly amusing to watch |
| 03:30.18 | tharkun | btw what are you looking for in undernet? |
| 03:30.18 | extor | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en <--- What's a PReP? |
| 03:30.33 | samantha-c- | tharkun, i hang out with friends there. |
| 03:30.48 | tharkun | and you can't connect? |
| 03:30.48 | samantha-c- | tharkun, probably for longer than you have known what irc is. |
| 03:31.02 | samantha-c- | tharkun, correct, and only under debian. |
| 03:31.29 | tharkun | samantha-c-: lets put it this way, before debian there was unix and vax and 4 bit processors |
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| 03:32.06 | karsten | tries to remember what he did with the spam-filter stuff he downloaded,if he downloaded it .... |
| 03:32.33 | karsten | tharkun: Are you trying to impress us with your senility again? ;-) |
| 03:32.40 | samantha-c- | tharkun, i defer. the first computer i owned personally was a 10mhz nec z20 with an 8087 and two (count em TWO) 30 meg MFM hard drives mounted in an external case |
| 03:33.20 | karsten | notes that the first computer he owned was unary: a rock. |
| 03:33.23 | dvs | samantha-c-: you're first computer had a hard drive? You're lucky! ;-) |
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| 03:33.31 | samantha-c- | that machine had a speaker that periodically went insane. percussive adjustment was required. |
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| 03:34.05 | samantha-c- | dvs: well, first one i bought with my own money. i'd used other things before that. let's see. there was the Osbourne 1 with the 150 baud acoustic coupler. i met my first pedo on that. |
| 03:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft, don't boast with your huge diskspace back then |
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| 03:34.40 | jpinx-eeepc | it must be the weekend..... |
| 03:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !friday |
| 03:34.51 | dpkg | methinks friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 03:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, is it time to mention #debian-offtopic again? |
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| 03:35.33 | jpinx-eeepc | all these people pretendingg to be old and have used computers a long time :) |
| 03:35.54 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 03:35.58 | samantha-c- | i'd only worry about #debian-offtopic if there were actualy questions going on in here. myself, i'm just waiting on Open All Hours to finish downloading. |
| 03:36.00 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: probably good to use #debian-offtopic indeed |
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| 03:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... I remember the probems with my first zuse1 machine |
| 03:36.08 | simonrvn | i make no such claims ;) |
| 03:36.37 | cast | my first computer had 192MB of ram :) |
| 03:36.57 | tharkun_ | had something like 256Kb |
| 03:36.59 | simonrvn | my first one was a c64 |
| 03:37.09 | jpinx-eeepc | long usage does not make one an expert ;) |
| 03:37.10 | dvs | casiy: luxury! |
| 03:37.27 | dvs | simonrvn: still luxury! |
| 03:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | changing gears was extremely annoying |
| 03:37.35 | simonrvn | then we got a used mac plus. then i stayed away from computers for years |
| 03:37.36 | samantha-c- | the osbourne 1 had 64k ram on it, a pair of floppies, a built in 5" green screen, and weighed in at almost 25 lbs |
| 03:37.40 | karsten | First I actually owned myself was a PPro180MHz 96MB 2.4GB in 1997. I'd used stuff of various vintages back to the early 80s. |
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| 03:38.00 | samantha-c- | i was using a pair of floppies before i even had a pair of floppies. uh. |
| 03:38.11 | lazarus477 | Anyone here into icinga nagios fork? |
| 03:38.13 | cast | uh. |
| 03:38.14 | samantha-c- | actually i used to play adventure on that thing. |
| 03:38.25 | samantha-c- | and i was eaten by many a grue. |
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| 03:38.39 | tharkun_ | the game was digger if i recall correctly |
| 03:39.11 | simonrvn | then i used a dumb terminal back in '92, then again circumstances made me stay away. then i got my hands on a used mac 8500. had 24 mb ram |
| 03:39.14 | karsten | IIRC there was a game "hamurabi" in the BSD games set, late 1970s. |
| 03:39.33 | tharkun | hamurabis code |
| 03:39.37 | karsten | teletype. At the Lawrence Hall of Science, running BSD Unix. |
| 03:40.05 | karsten | tharkun: Was that the one where you had to allocate grain between food and planting? |
| 03:40.24 | simonrvn | i couldn't figure out how to cd yet on that sun terminal... i was more newbie than a newbie |
| 03:40.29 | tharkun | karsten: yes |
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| 03:42.19 | tharkun | I recall playing on a pdp 1130 a game of strategy. Using sectors and quadrants. I can't recall the details |
| 03:43.12 | karsten | tharkun: Sounds vaguely like trek. |
| 03:43.39 | tharkun | karsten: yesssss |
| 03:43.51 | karsten | :) |
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| 03:44.38 | karsten | tharkun: install bsdgames |
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| 03:45.53 | valium | hey all - looking for a backup solution -- i have spent weeks looking at Bacula and Amanda (for server backups) but it looks far more fiddly than my own scripts. Any recommendations for commercial backup solutions. |
| 03:46.07 | tharkun | karsten: ohh you just dropped my productivity index |
| 03:46.15 | karsten | valium: rsync is my first go-to. |
| 03:46.21 | karsten | valium: Describe your need. |
| 03:46.25 | karsten | tharkun: Sorry ;-) |
| 03:47.00 | tharkun | valium: sometimes a custom made script fills your needs better than the most expensive comercial solution |
| 03:47.38 | samantha-c- | what i want is a document management system geared to students |
| 03:47.39 | jpinx-eeepc | valium: read the manpages for rsync - it is powerful aand almost certainly will do what you want |
| 03:47.41 | samantha-c- | and i haven't found one |
| 03:47.59 | jpinx-eeepc | samantha-c-: define "geared to students" |
| 03:48.05 | karsten | valium: I've wrestled with a lot of backup solutions / systems. They all suck. I'm actually mostly happy with a good versioning system, replicated repositories, and maybe some rsync |
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| 03:48.21 | guzu | hello all |
| 03:48.28 | karsten | tharkun: Um. Would a content management system (CMS), a/k/a a blog, work for you? |
| 03:48.46 | karsten | tharkun: ... and how much engagement from the students are you looking for? The best systems are automatic. |
| 03:49.02 | tharkun | karsten: samantha-c- is the one with that need |
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| 03:49.05 | tharkun | :) |
| 03:49.18 | karsten | Well that was pretty sweet. Playing with spamfilter, just typed 'make', and the 1999 code compiles. |
| 03:49.33 | karsten | Wups. |
| 03:49.40 | karsten | samantha-c-: ^^ |
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| 03:50.21 | samantha-c- | a blog isn't what i had in mind. what i'd like is something like evernote -- sync between machines, tagging and search, automated so i don't have to think about it, preferably supporting multiple platforms. evernote is close but their upload limits are too small for me |
| 03:50.43 | valium | karsten - mysql, and data directories (e.g. /home /srv /etc) with options to push to harddisk, FTP, SSH or Amazon S3. I have written a script that does all this but modifying it for every new customer drives me nuts |
| 03:50.59 | samantha-c- | karsten: i'm the student. i want document management, eg pdfs, notes, sound files, doc files, etc, generated on a by-semester and by-class basis |
| 03:51.01 | valium | karsten - im not a programmer. Just have enough python and bash to be dangerous |
| 03:51.03 | karsten | valium: For most RDBMSs, you want to use their own native tools. |
| 03:51.30 | valium | karsten - yeah i use mysqldump via a cron job then rsync that to the destination at present |
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| 03:52.20 | valium | karsten - i have also set up fusefs to mount AmazonS3 accounts for offsite |
| 03:52.23 | samantha-c- | karsten: i want to be able to sync them between machines without a lot of hassle. i.e., the desktop machine, the back-end server, and the laptop. windows and debian support are necessary, and mac would be helpful. |
| 03:52.25 | karsten | valium: That's pretty much the way I'd fly. Some sort of rotation or versioning of that (logrot, maybe). rsync for everythng else. If you can keep two generations of backup, so much the better. |
| 03:52.38 | karsten | samantha-c-: Have you looked at unison? |
| 03:52.51 | guzu | how can i get a list of available packages in debian-multimeda? |
| 03:53.36 | samantha-c- | guzu, http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/? |
| 03:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | valium, something like rsnapshot would be too amateurish? |
| 03:54.06 | guzu | samantha-c-, thank you. any way to get the list from apt\* ? |
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| 03:54.11 | karsten | guzu: add multimedia to your package repo, aptitude update; grep '^Package:' /var/lib/apt/lists/*multimedia*_Packages |
| 03:54.17 | qq- | !dmm-lenny |
| 03:54.26 | qq- | !dmm |
| 03:54.26 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 03:54.32 | guzu | karsten, thank you, i'll try it now |
| 03:54.51 | jordanm | I don't think you could do something like aptitude search ~Adebian-multimedia; but maybe |
| 03:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | valium, hmm, my last university offered a backup service, they were using this: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/ |
| 03:55.43 | karsten | samantha-c-: the organization side (by semester/class) may have to be manual, though a CMS might help you with that. I take to anming a lot of stuff with a date string '$( date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S )' as part of the filename -- to help locate it in time. |
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| 03:56.34 | samantha-c- | unison appears to only support two machines, not n machines, which is what i need. i'm presently using windows live sync, which is fine except of course it doesn't run on debian, and it doesn't give me the more powerful search and tagging features i want |
| 03:57.07 | guzu | karsten, it worked! can i alos filter out the already installed packages? |
| 03:57.40 | karsten | guzu: If you try reinstalling a package you'll simply be prompted that the package si already installed. |
| 03:57.46 | karsten | guzu: What are you trying to do? |
| 03:57.54 | karsten | guzu: Filtering out names is a bit more complicated. |
| 03:58.34 | karsten | guzu: But there should NOT be any name dupes between the archives. Multimedia is strictly an additional set of packages to Debian. |
| 03:59.12 | karsten | samantha-c-: Honestly, I'd look at some sort of version control. Check in and out of repositories. Most likely git. |
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| 03:59.26 | karsten | samantha-c-: There are reasons programmres tend toward such things. |
| 03:59.42 | karsten | samantha-c-: Doesn't treat binary files all that well, but works great for anything textual. |
| 03:59.54 | guzu | karsten, i'm searching for a lightweight command-line internet radio player, because my processor is 150 mhz pentium and i have only 48 mbb of ram, and i have debina [456] installed and would like to know which packages are available and where, because every aptitude operation takes a long time :) |
| 04:00.25 | samantha-c- | karsten: binary file support is an absolute requirement. will be doing mp3s, ppts, docs, pdfs, jpegs and tifs, etc |
| 04:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer? |
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| 04:00.48 | jpinx-eeepc | guzu: mpalyer |
| 04:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 04:00.57 | jpinx-eeepc | wot CutMeOwnThroat said :| |
| 04:01.00 | guzu | mplayer and vlc just hang waiting for something, same with mp3blaster or cplay |
| 04:01.03 | karsten | guzu: Hrm. I'd use something to fetch oggs / mp3s and play them with a commandline client. Not sure what supports streaming. |
| 04:01.11 | zinx | guzu: plait is one |
| 04:01.18 | tharkun | samantha-c-: the more you talk about it, the more git seems to be your solution |
| 04:01.23 | zinx | guzu: sounds like your sound may not be set up properly |
| 04:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, wget // mimms |
| 04:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but mplayer does streaming |
| 04:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that sounds like what he wants |
| 04:02.07 | guzu | zinx, i can play, say, audio cd's fine |
| 04:02.14 | jpinx-eeepc | "sounds like" CutMeOwnThroat boom-boom |
| 04:02.22 | zinx | guzu: audio CDs often do not go through the sound card |
| 04:02.29 | zinx | guzu: in the same way |
| 04:02.32 | karsten | samantha-c-: You *can* put binary files in version control. They're generally stored as blobs though, rather than as text diffs the way source code or textfiles would be. Tends to chew through storage if you're keeping lots ov versions of a PDF, say. OTOH, if you have source for the PDF (you're using LaTeX, LyX, or DocBook, say), you can manage the source and build the binary targets. |
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| 04:02.55 | zinx | guzu: they usually have a wire hooked to the sound card to play directly out the sound card's speakers, without ever actually having the sound card do anything |
| 04:02.58 | guzu | zinx, i see, but i can still control volume through alsamixer. anyway, let me try some mp3s |
| 04:03.25 | samantha-c- | karsten, multiple versions are way less necessary than tag search and sync. |
| 04:03.35 | jordanm | samantha-c-: had rsnapshot been suggested? |
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| 04:03.37 | samantha-c- | version control is way lower on the list |
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| 04:03.45 | samantha-c- | jordanm, no. also will look. |
| 04:03.51 | karsten | samantha-c-: Version control does all that intrinsicly. |
| 04:04.24 | samantha-c- | i assume with a tool like git i can purge old versions as needed? |
| 04:04.55 | karsten | Yes. |
| 04:05.13 | tharkun | stabs karsten with a 10 in blade for pointing to bsdgames |
| 04:05.14 | karsten | There are also some (crufty) GUI front-ends. |
| 04:05.45 | samantha-c- | i assume i'll want git under cygwin or something on windows? |
| 04:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, to bsdgames? |
| 04:06.42 | tharkun | samantha-c-: http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-medium.png |
| 04:07.12 | karsten | tharkun: :) |
| 04:07.35 | samantha-c- | tharkun, i'd throw my naked self at your feet for such a find, but ... well ... you'd turn to stone. |
| 04:07.50 | simonrvn | samantha-c-: git is very efficient wrt disk space and versioning |
| 04:07.52 | tharkun | samantha-c-: You never know |
| 04:08.02 | samantha-c- | trust me. i know. |
| 04:08.15 | tharkun | :) |
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| 04:08.41 | samantha-c- | the last guy who saw me naked was a gynocologist and his only comment was "damn that's ugly!" |
| 04:09.40 | tharkun | samantha-c-: I have yet to meet a woman that after 12 beers doesn't look wonderfully beautiful :) |
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| 04:11.34 | samantha-c- | yeah but beer makes bjs taste nasty |
| 04:11.54 | simonrvn | i doubt that very much samantha-c- -- women are beautiful. then again i get a crush on half the women i meet face to face for a while, then they become friends hehe. |
| 04:13.59 | samantha-c- | simonrvn, when i was born, instead of slapping me, the doc slapped my mom cuz i was so ugly |
| 04:14.22 | tharkun | samantha-c-: i was also told that :-) |
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| 04:15.48 | liable | i like turtles |
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| 04:17.30 | robblesz | Hi folks, I have some trouble with apt-get on Lenny. When I run "sudo apt-get source -V mysql-server-5.0" I get this error: "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-free_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)" |
| 04:17.36 | robblesz | does anyone know why? |
| 04:17.40 | simonrvn | me the doc cut my tongue saying it would impair my speech. i don't think it would have personally, i know several people with short "tongue/mouth attachments" |
| 04:17.55 | simonrvn | and they talk fine... |
| 04:18.14 | karsten | robblesz: try: 'aptitude update' first. |
| 04:18.37 | robblesz | Okay, I didn't "apt-get update" first but I'll try it with aptitude |
| 04:18.40 | robblesz | *did |
| 04:18.46 | karsten | samantha-c-: WRT beer: glad you're not blaming it on the guy for a change. |
| 04:18.46 | simonrvn | i think it screwed me up actually, i tend to stick to singing and talking only when i need to say something. |
| 04:19.01 | samantha-c- | karsten: i don't pour that crap in the hole under his nose. so yeah. i do. |
| 04:19.33 | robblesz | karsten: that worked |
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| 04:20.38 | karsten | samantha-c-: solution: pineapple beer. |
| 04:20.47 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 04:20.50 | robblesz | but I have another problem, apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 is pulling down mysql-dfsg-5.0 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1, but the latest version (when using aptitude install) is mysql-dfsg-5.0 5.0.51a-24+lenny3 |
| 04:21.17 | robblesz | I tried ftp.us.debian.org and ftp.de.debian.org and they both have this discrepancy |
| 04:21.41 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:21.42 | karsten | robblesz: aptitude and apt-get do their package resolution differently. In general, you should use aptitude. You can also specify version specifically (at least with aptitutde). |
| 04:21.43 | judd | mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3 |
| 04:23.14 | robblesz | karsten: is there an aptitude command analogous to "apt-get source"? Couldn't find anything in the man page |
| 04:23.32 | simonrvn | that's one thing it doesn't do |
| 04:23.33 | robblesz | I do usually use aptitude |
| 04:23.48 | robblesz | alright, I'll try being explicit with the version number |
| 04:24.11 | karsten | Hrm: what do I install to get g77? |
| 04:24.32 | qq- | gfortran ? |
| 04:24.42 | karsten | Yeah. |
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| 04:24.55 | Tonisius | How can I debug my preseed/kickstart system, the append paramter is not being used: append auto preseed/url=http://192.168.1.250/lucid_x86_kickseed.cfg initrd=ubuntu/lucid/amd64/initrd.gz -- quiet |
| 04:24.57 | karsten | recommended by the New Maintainer's Guide. |
| 04:25.07 | Tonisius | Any ideas on this? |
| 04:25.15 | Tonisius | but the PXE client is booting from the correct kernel, and i can cat /proc/cmdline and it shows what is appended to the kernel command, but the installer is still asking me questions.... |
| 04:25.16 | karsten | is trying to repackage an old and dropped package, from 1999, which needs recompiling. |
| 04:25.26 | simonrvn | Tonisius: #ubuntu |
| 04:26.21 | Tonisius | I'll keep working with them on a debian-installer issue then |
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| 04:26.48 | guzu | zinx, :( the mp3s do not play, just hang |
| 04:26.52 | robblesz | Oh dear, sudo apt-get source -V mysql-server-5.0=5.0.51a-24+lenny3 give me this error: E: Unable to find a source package for mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:26.53 | simonrvn | we don't know what sort of changes they make, that's why. it's as simple as that. |
| 04:27.40 | simonrvn | robblesz: do you have a deb-src line for that one? |
| 04:27.46 | liable | the ubuntu installer team has an irc channel, ask them |
| 04:27.47 | zebradog_ | karsten, what package is that? |
| 04:27.53 | robblesz | I have deb-src for all my repos |
| 04:27.59 | karsten | zebradog_: spamfilter |
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| 04:28.21 | tharkun | karsten: What are you looking for in spamfilter? |
| 04:28.22 | zebradog_ | karsten, really? |
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| 04:28.36 | zebradog_ | that's quite some time! |
| 04:28.41 | zebradog_ | bring it back to life! |
| 04:28.45 | karsten | zebradog_: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.0/main/binary-i386/mail/spamfilter_1.3-1.deb or http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/13/debian/pool/main/s/spamfilter/spam |
| 04:28.48 | robblesz | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/PAj5J9Ws |
| 04:28.49 | karsten | filter_1.9-1.tar.gz |
| 04:29.01 | karsten | tharkun: a really nice procmail setup. |
| 04:29.09 | simonrvn | it's ok i believe you |
| 04:29.25 | karsten | tharkun: The list processing stuff specifically. It's designed with whitelist/blacklist/greylist, but extending that makes ssnes. |
| 04:29.33 | robblesz | I'm just wondering if my sources.list is bad, but it looks OK to me |
| 04:30.17 | karsten | Rather than write procmail rules with a bazillion email addresses regexed together, you can simply, say, list "co-workers", "bosses", "alert-systmes" and deal with them more manageably. |
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| 04:30.41 | karsten | So: g77 isn't necessary, but it's recommended in the NMG. |
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| 04:30.54 | karsten | Oddly, I can't find it. |
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| 04:32.04 | qq- | !g77 |
| 04:32.04 | dpkg | hmm... g77 is the GNU Fortran 77 compiler. The g77 package is no longer built as of gcc-defaults 1.67. There is no g77 dummy transitional package to gfortran in Lenny, see Debian bug #504592. See also http://wiki.debian.org/GfortranTransition for historical information. |
| 04:32.51 | karsten | Ah... Thanks. Already installed. |
| 04:33.16 | tharkun | karsten: i've heard wonders of crm to filter mail and mutt as a filtering agent (I have yet to test both) |
| 04:33.28 | tharkun | s/filtering/sorting |
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| 04:33.55 | karsten | tharkun: I use mutt. It's got *great* interactive filtering '~l <pattern>' but I want to sort mail according to rules. |
| 04:34.13 | karsten | tharkun: Getting about 1000 messages daily now, mostly automated/reporting stuff. |
| 04:34.33 | karsten | tharkun: But I do highlight mail that's to me, mentiones me, from my boss, or from my boss to me, differently. |
| 04:35.20 | tharkun | he he i highlight error and warning, if it is not inside the mail it goes to the senders bulk mail :) |
| 04:35.56 | samantha-c- | so if i were doing a git repository for class documents, would i do one branch per semester? or would i do one repository per semester, and then one branch per class or something? |
| 04:35.57 | karsten | tharkun: What's crm? |
| 04:36.20 | karsten | samantha-c-: I'd make each class a project. You could tag by semester, possibly. |
| 04:36.26 | tharkun | karsten: crm114 |
| 04:36.54 | tharkun | a filtering agent to get rid of spam and add the appropiate tags according to your personal rules |
| 04:37.16 | karsten | tharkun: Danke |
| 04:37.52 | tharkun | karsten: Bitte sehr |
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| 04:38.23 | karsten | tharkun: Looks liek I should be able to incorporate that into my mailstream. |
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| 04:39.47 | karsten | tharkun: The manpage has a *very* bad case if "it's"-itis. |
| 04:40.07 | tharkun | yes, but i've heard it delivers pretty well |
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| 04:42.00 | simonrvn | karsten: it's/its issues? |
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| 04:42.43 | samantha-c- | karsten: project == repository? |
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| 04:45.52 | samantha-c- | jesus. this is why i'm not studying computer science. |
| 04:46.36 | tharkun | Nah computer science is easy had to take a look inside electronic engineering, that is indeed a pain |
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| 04:46.50 | samantha-c- | i'm doing geology |
| 04:47.04 | karsten | samantha-c-: yes. |
| 04:47.18 | karsten | samantha-c-: How many docs per class? |
| 04:47.20 | SunDragon | i was a geology major |
| 04:47.32 | samantha-c- | karsten: a few to a few dozen |
| 04:47.46 | karsten | samantha-c-: ... alternately, you could just toss is all under "school", seperate classes, etc., by directories. It's really up to you. |
| 04:48.06 | samantha-c- | i think that's the approach i prefer |
| 04:48.14 | karsten | samantha-c-: ... but figuring out how you want to organize things is pretty much at the key to figuring out how you want to organize things. |
| 04:48.20 | karsten | You can change your mind later. |
| 04:48.28 | karsten | And since you're a woman, you almost certainly will ;-) |
| 04:49.08 | tharkun | school -> Assignment ->lecturer it is a little more orderly and having a crossreference in a rdb is the cherry of the pie |
| 04:49.40 | samantha-c- | they're currently organized school -> term -> class -> |
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| 04:50.41 | tharkun | well term and class are directly related so you could skip the term. But if that gives you a usefull time reference then so be it |
| 04:51.05 | samantha-c- | yeah because i'm most often working in classes in the current term obviously, so i want them grouped together |
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| 04:52.09 | guzu | zinx, after fixing the soundcard issue, now mplayer can play internet radios :) thank you for help |
| 04:52.59 | qq- | guzu, tried tunapie ? |
| 04:53.06 | guzu | samantha-c-, karsten , jpinx-eeepc thank you for help . the problem was my soundcard |
| 04:53.14 | guzu | qq-, no, what's that? |
| 04:53.31 | qq- | internet radios +tv |
| 04:54.05 | qq- | + recorder |
| 04:54.13 | guzu | qq- does it work on command line? |
| 04:54.32 | samantha-c- | i wonder where my archive discs went. i only have three semesters in the pile right now |
| 04:54.33 | qq- | not tried |
| 04:54.45 | samantha-c- | SunDragon, did you finish? |
| 04:54.48 | guzu | qq-, i'll try it, then |
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| 04:56.20 | SunDragon | samantha-c-, no, ran out of money and was too chicken to increase my debt |
| 04:57.26 | samantha-c- | SunDragon, now's a great time to finish. you can bitch at me about how nasty the coprolites taste. |
| 04:57.42 | karsten | samantha-c-: Having sold you on git, I'm going to give it a try myself ;-) |
| 04:58.05 | samantha-c- | karsten, i still need to figure out where the fucking data is. |
| 04:58.20 | karsten | samantha-c-: How do you mean? |
| 04:58.31 | karsten | samantha-c-: I thought the fucking data was in the sex lab library. |
| 04:58.48 | samantha-c- | karsten, i wouldn't know, i'm not a psych major |
| 04:59.06 | karsten | samantha-c-: Having dated several: so much the better. |
| 04:59.06 | tharkun | samantha-c-: man 7 gittutorial |
| 04:59.19 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: re earlier, i didn't need the wizard actually. i was getting that in my logs due to somebody else's misconfigured record. |
| 04:59.34 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: already mailed their postmaster mailbox, we'll see if i actually get a response |
| 04:59.36 | samantha-c- | i took an intro psych course once. the prof said all psych majors were insane. she was right. |
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| 05:00.02 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: it's a site that uses a third-party hosted mailing list service, and they didn't put that service in their SPF records, so all the mailing list traffic from them is getting bounced |
| 05:00.05 | karsten | samantha-c-: Q: Why do people study psych? A: It's cheaper than therapy. |
| 05:00.37 | karsten | samantha-c-: So, WRT your question as to where your data is: the data in the git archive, or the data you plan on putting there? |
| 05:00.59 | karsten | samantha-c-: git IIUC dumps itself under either /var/<mumble> or /srv/ |
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| 05:01.39 | tharkun | hmm karsten itym under the newly generated .git subdir |
| 05:01.46 | samantha-c- | karsten: the data i want to put in there. i have fall 09, spring 10, and summer 10 on hard drive now. i want to add previous semesters. i'd dumped them onto dvd but i dunno where they got to |
| 05:02.02 | karsten | tharkun: isn't there a server on your host someplace? |
| 05:02.15 | tharkun | nop, it is filesystem dependant |
| 05:02.23 | karsten | samantha-c-: Ah. May I recommend a DVD indexing tool ;-) |
| 05:02.40 | tharkun | karsten: shoot i need one of those |
| 05:02.43 | robblesz | Guys, if I install a custom package build named "foo-5.1.51a+robblesz", and sometime in the future the debian repos get upgraded to "foo-5.1.99", will my package get upgraded? |
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| 05:03.10 | karsten | tharkun: Actually, I don't know of any, but there are probably several CD/DVD library/management systems out there. |
| 05:03.32 | karsten | robblesz: Not if you put a hold on it. |
| 05:03.33 | tharkun | lol |
| 05:03.44 | robblesz | karsten: thanks |
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| 05:03.53 | samantha-c- | karsten, you have no idea. i have probably 2t of shit i need to put on dvd and index |
| 05:03.57 | karsten | robblesz: ... or at least, not without first asking if you want to break the hold. |
| 05:04.09 | karsten | has an idea. |
| 05:04.19 | robblesz | karsten: I'll try without "hold" and see what happens |
| 05:04.45 | robblesz | oh n/m, misread that last line |
| 05:04.46 | karsten | samantha-c-: I realized a year or two back that home SAN units with mutliple TBs of storage are well under a grand. For my _non_ student budget, that's eminantly reasonable. |
| 05:06.02 | samantha-c- | karsten, i've already lost hundreds of gigs to drive crashes on my drives. as i collect Dave Matthews Band concert recordings, i wish this to not happen again |
| 05:06.21 | samantha-c- | however, i did find my student data ... stuffed in with my complete collection of Doctor Who |
| 05:06.25 | karsten | samantha-c-: redundancy. |
| 05:06.31 | karsten | samantha-c-: Of course. |
| 05:06.50 | tharkun | karsten: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/13/debian/pool/main/s/spamfilter/spam Gives 404 |
| 05:07.34 | karsten | tharkun: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/13/debian/pool/main/s/spamfilter/spamfilter_1.9-1.tar.gz |
| 05:07.35 | qq- | !sdo |
| 05:07.35 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 05:07.43 | karsten | tharkun: mutt line-wrap cut that off. |
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| 05:07.59 | tharkun | karsten: mutt for irc? |
| 05:08.20 | karsten | tharkun: No, mutt for the mail I had copied that url from. |
| 05:08.27 | tharkun | lol |
| 05:08.31 | samantha-c- | tharkun: isn't that like a gopher client for emacs? |
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| 05:09.16 | tharkun | samantha-c-: mutt is the email client. Ncurses based but one heck of a performer |
| 05:09.46 | samantha-c- | tharkun, i know what mutt is. i used it for email for many years, before migrating to google apps. |
| 05:09.52 | guzu | qq-, no, yunapie does not work on command line |
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| 05:10.47 | qq- | guzu, i said > 06:54<qq-> not tried |
| 05:11.37 | samantha-c- | i ran my domain's email on a seedbox, until finally i got fed up with the amount of spam falling through the filter. a couple hundred a day were getting through spamassassin. |
| 05:11.45 | guzu | qq-, i know, was just the feedback :) |
| 05:11.51 | samantha-c- | of course i get so much spam i can't have google receive it directly. i still have the seedbox prefilter all the fucking mail. |
| 05:12.16 | tharkun | samantha-c-: using spf is a blessing |
| 05:12.47 | tharkun | And if you want you can allways use rbl |
| 05:12.52 | samantha-c- | tharkun, i never learned how to implement it. now i don't have to. i get about 50k spams a month that fall through the prefilter. |
| 05:12.52 | guzu | qq-, however, works great on gui considering this is a very low specs machine. thank you |
| 05:13.31 | samantha-c- | at any given time i generally have about 200 smtpd listeners open connected to spam drones |
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| 05:13.48 | tharkun | samantha-c-: greylisting works wonders also |
| 05:14.27 | samantha-c- | tharkun, someday i'll have somebody write me a perl script that will read my logs and do a rolling 24 hour connection filter or something. or maybe i'll migrate away from qmail once i learn how. |
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| 05:14.57 | karsten | samantha-c-: qmail!? |
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| 05:15.24 | tharkun | samantha-c-: ditch that piece of crap get something like postfix or exim you'll feel the difference very fast |
| 05:15.35 | samantha-c- | karsten: at the time i started using it, it was an excellent product, and for what i do it's still not awful. however, now i'm tied to a legacy feature i don't know how to reproduce in other software, and i am unwilling to give up |
| 05:15.55 | karsten | Yeah, I've adminned it. What feature? |
| 05:16.05 | samantha-c- | -default extension addresses |
| 05:16.08 | tharkun | discribe the feature i am sure there is a drop in replacement |
| 05:16.22 | tharkun | meaning? |
| 05:16.33 | karsten | samantha-c-: So: user@example.com => user-foo@example.com ? |
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| 05:17.11 | samantha-c- | karsten: yes, with no preconfiguration required. i've given out hundreds of these, eg lists-amazon, lists-paypal, lists-someothersite. some of which i still want to receive mail from and most of which i've forgotten |
| 05:17.38 | samantha-c- | some of them are spam crap now, and they go directly to /dev/null. but those are known ... it's the unknowns i want to preserve. |
| 05:17.48 | karsten | Right. I think that that's standard on a number of mailers now. Haven't mucked in the guts of any recently to know for sure. |
| 05:18.17 | tharkun | postfix does that but you have to poke a little at it |
| 05:18.27 | samantha-c- | karsten, the equivalent in gmail is user+exten@gmail.com ... google doesn't understand the dash. ergo, my prefilter setup simply dumps anything known spam and forwards the rest to google apps |
| 05:19.17 | samantha-c- | in any given month i'll receive two million inbound connections, 99.99999% of which are spam. however, the only way to get google apps to accept my lists-blah mail is by opening the catch-all, and then they shut me down for having mail coming in too fast |
| 05:19.24 | samantha-c- | ergo, my mx receiver and filter setup |
| 05:20.01 | karsten | Right. |
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| 05:20.33 | simonrvn | Left. |
| 05:21.29 | samantha-c- | and i simply haven't had the time or energy to devote to resolving it, and with no pressing need to do so, my current setup being imperfect but functional, i haven't messed with it |
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| 05:21.57 | tharkun | pragmatic aproach |
| 05:22.33 | samantha-c- | since this machine doesn't send mail, only receives and forwards to google, and i pay google to not spam-throttle my ip, it works okay for now |
| 05:22.51 | karsten | samantha-c-: I hear you. I'm at work late on a Friday wrestling with an old and obsolete package (and trying to get over the basics of Debian packaging and a few other things) to deal with my work mail better. |
| 05:22.59 | samantha-c- | however, i would like at some point to switch to a debian-supported mta. |
| 05:23.07 | Arrowmaster | i thought most mta's could be setup to use the dashed method but its not a default at all since its not the standard way to do that |
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| 05:23.45 | samantha-c- | Arrowmaster, that may be true. it's not a question of whether or not. it's really a question of how, and learning how. every mta has a different method of doing things, and qmail is the one i know. |
| 05:23.59 | karsten | Screwing with mail's always a little frightening. |
| 05:24.15 | samantha-c- | karsten, especially with the volume of crap i get in |
| 05:24.24 | simonrvn | sure is, that's why i don't screw with my exim too much |
| 05:24.36 | samantha-c- | and i can't really abandon the domain. i've had it since 1997 and it is my last name, so changing it is problematic. |
| 05:24.40 | simonrvn | it works well, i would like to keep it that way |
| 05:24.59 | simonrvn | (it's also very crufty ;) |
| 05:25.00 | karsten | samantha-c-: Then there's Linus's approach. |
| 05:25.09 | samantha-c- | karsten, which is delete everything? |
| 05:25.22 | karsten | He'll simply delete his entire queue (unread), and announce to the world that he's done that. |
| 05:25.29 | karsten | Yeah. If it's important enough, they'll re-send. |
| 05:25.47 | samantha-c- | i don't have that much valid mail to do that with |
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| 05:26.35 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember the last time i got an email from a real human that wasnt just a forwarded email from my mom |
| 05:26.59 | tharkun | Arrowmaster: that is pathetic |
| 05:27.01 | samantha-c- | most of what i get now is from facebook actually. but it's stuff i would like to receive. |
| 05:27.18 | samantha-c- | i get some stuff from school. that's occasionally important. |
| 05:27.37 | tharkun | gets more mail from collectors than from spam |
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| 05:27.53 | samantha-c- | i get dictionary attacks from spam |
| 05:28.00 | samantha-c- | i've patched qmail to reject stuff to invalid addresses |
| 05:28.01 | Arrowmaster | i have a domain that hasnt goten a single spam mail in a year |
| 05:28.10 | samantha-c- | Arrowmaster, i can fix that |
| 05:28.26 | simonrvn | fsvo "fix" |
| 05:28.28 | tharkun | Arrowmaster: Put a single account on it |
| 05:28.37 | karsten | samantha-c-: You could simply train your spam-filter with all dictionary words and announce to your friends that all future correspondence will be in non-dictionary words.... |
| 05:28.40 | Arrowmaster | there is a single account on it |
| 05:28.47 | Arrowmaster | actually two accounts i think |
| 05:28.59 | tharkun | postmaster and abuse don't count |
| 05:29.04 | simonrvn | ,info autodir |
| 05:29.05 | judd | autodir (non-free/utils, optional): Automatically creates home and group directories for LDAP/NIS/SQL/local accounts. Version: 0.99.9-2; Size: 74.6k; Installed: 228k |
| 05:29.10 | samantha-c- | i dump postmaster mail |
| 05:29.12 | samantha-c- | nothing goes there i want to read |
| 05:29.17 | simonrvn | oh it's non-free? damn |
| 05:29.22 | Arrowmaster | tharkun: i dont get those, google does |
| 05:29.58 | simonrvn | ,versions autodir |
| 05:29.59 | judd | autodir -- etch/non-free: 0.99.8-1; lenny/non-free: 0.99.9-2; squeeze/non-free: 0.99.9-5; sid: 0.99.9-6 |
| 05:30.31 | tharkun | I have a server running postfix and a lot of antispam crap. And tumgreyspf has helped a lot to fight spam |
| 05:30.33 | simonrvn | works with autofs... i wonder why the non-free? |
| 05:30.42 | samantha-c- | karsten, go pee for me. i don't want to get up. |
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| 05:31.54 | simonrvn | implementing RFC 821 helps too |
| 05:31.59 | karsten | samantha-c-: http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 05:32.27 | samantha-c- | karsten: yeah. exactly. |
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| 05:34.06 | samantha-c- | wow. it's still copying off this stupid dvd. |
| 05:34.31 | samantha-c- | but at least my third iso is finished downloading. (ronnie barker ftw) |
| 05:38.09 | karsten | OK, with git, how would I put a repo on some public server (say, my workstation) somehow? |
| 05:38.25 | karsten | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html doesn't say. |
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| 05:44.44 | karsten | hrm: git-pull / git-push |
| 05:46.41 | guzu | isn't debian a great os? i am able to watch (ok, framed) internet tv on 150 mhz pentium, trident video card, and 48 mb of ram |
| 05:46.58 | karsten | guzu: :) |
| 05:47.16 | karsten | guzu: What streaming format? |
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| 05:48.47 | guzu | karsten, i have no idea. totem says: codec: On2VP6 (win32) |
| 05:49.10 | karsten | OK. Not flash. |
| 05:49.24 | guzu | mystery science theater 3000 (from tunapie) |
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| 05:50.38 | zebradog_ | lol, i see a link on a search with piratebay, "piratedate.com" hahahaha |
| 05:50.55 | samantha-c- | karsten, so do i dump all my existing files into master and then branch each individual semester? or do i do the individual semesters first and then merge upward? |
| 05:51.15 | karsten | samantha-c-: At this point, I have NFC. I'm reading the git docs now. |
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| 05:52.09 | karsten | samantha-c-: I'm thinking you'd tag your docs or branch them by semester. There's not any carryover of a class from one semenster to the next, is there? |
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| 05:52.38 | karsten | And: are you trying to recreate history, do manage this on a going-forward basis? |
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| 05:55.50 | samantha-c- | i'd like to keep a history yes. i've set up branches for each semester. i guess what i do now is add each by-semester directory and then merge them all into master. i'm guessing master should be my entire career, and branches are individual semesters. |
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| 05:56.19 | djveer | hey guys, i'm in need of a good home router.. my current old one is rebooting after too many connections... anybody have some recommendations? |
| 05:56.28 | djveer | All debian machines |
| 05:56.32 | djveer | inside |
| 05:56.47 | samantha-c- | djveer, any linksys on which you can put dd-wrt. |
| 05:57.01 | samantha-c- | wrt54gl, make sure you check versions |
| 05:57.04 | karsten | djveer: I've had reasonably good luck with lynksys wrtg or whatever they're called. |
| 05:57.21 | karsten | And yeah, dd-wrt (or another project, not sure which I've got). |
| 05:57.22 | samantha-c- | not every linksys supports dd-wrt by the way, so check first |
| 05:57.47 | samantha-c- | also, follow the instructions VERY carefully. if it says power up and wait 2 minutes, by god wait 2 minutes or you'll wind up bricking your router. |
| 05:58.00 | djveer | actually my current router is a WRT-54G |
| 05:58.17 | djveer | with standard linksys stuff though |
| 05:58.19 | samantha-c- | djveer, so reflash it and see if that helps. if not, get another. they're good, yours is probably just crufty. |
| 05:58.21 | guzu | actually, turning tv shows into slideshows has one big adb\vantage: it leaves the brain some free cycles to think for itself |
| 05:58.36 | karsten | guzu: heh. |
| 05:59.00 | karsten | OK, rsyncd.conf: create as needed? |
| 05:59.04 | karsten | (for git server). |
| 05:59.27 | djveer | samantha-c-: yeah I might have to try dd-wrt ... i've heard good things. I likely have an old firmware version on this WRT-54G now... it was a gift from a friend as my old router died |
| 06:00.02 | samantha-c- | djveer, great time to try it out then. what's the worst you'll do? kill an already-dead router? |
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| 06:00.12 | samantha-c- | djveer, you may also want to open the router and blow it out with a can of air |
| 06:00.25 | samantha-c- | the rubber feet come off |
| 06:00.33 | djveer | samantha-c-: yeah good point :) what's the advantages of DD-WRT? |
| 06:00.49 | djveer | never played with it |
| 06:02.22 | samantha-c- | djveer, more powerful, more stable, more configurable. i have mine set up to be a wireless client, rather than a router. so i connect to the rest of the house via wifi, but my room is hard-wire. keeps my huge data hauls off the air. |
| 06:03.14 | karsten | djveer: Much more capable, can share / relay connections (you can use one wireless router as a repeater for another), firewall, shell, log, other goodness. |
| 06:03.25 | karsten | djveer: GUI configuration tool as well. |
| 06:03.26 | djveer | samantha-c-: Cool, thanks for the help :) |
| 06:03.32 | djveer | karsten: Cool :) Thanks |
| 06:03.38 | rozie | djveer: check tomato too |
| 06:03.48 | samantha-c- | i really should learn some perl |
| 06:03.52 | simonrvn | karsten: git-daemon + gitosis |
| 06:03.54 | djveer | night all |
| 06:04.08 | rozie | but make sure (in both cases) that your version is supported |
| 06:04.14 | simonrvn | very flexible, secure |
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| 06:06.04 | samantha-c- | can i have multiple shells working in the same git directory at once? or will it get confuzzled? |
| 06:06.29 | simonrvn | yes, no, in that order |
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| 06:06.50 | simonrvn | all state is in the .git in that dir |
| 06:07.09 | simonrvn | there's no .git elsewhere either, just topmost |
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| 06:07.37 | simonrvn | likes git |
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| 06:08.00 | karsten | simonrvn: I've got git-daemon. Trying to git-push to it. |
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| 06:09.01 | samantha-c- | oh. no, i can't perform two operations at once. answers my question at least. |
| 06:09.31 | karsten | simonrvn: Um. I've initialized a project. How do I push it to my server's (localhost) global repo? |
| 06:09.35 | simonrvn | at once? i haven't tried it at the same time |
| 06:09.58 | simonrvn | set a remote first |
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| 06:10.24 | simonrvn | (there's plenty of good git tuts around *cough* ;) |
| 06:11.30 | simonrvn | once you've done that, push to its (by default) master, and then you don't need to speficy 'master' anymore unless you want to push to another branch or whatever |
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| 06:11.38 | simonrvn | specify |
| 06:12.25 | karsten | simonrvn: I'm reading /usr/share/doc and git homepage docs. |
| 06:13.00 | simonrvn | there's a coupla cheat sheets around that are handy for workflow |
| 06:13.17 | karsten | simonrvn: got one earlier, printed, looking at it. |
| 06:13.33 | karsten | http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-medium.png |
| 06:13.33 | simonrvn | cool. it's rather similar to svn in some ways |
| 06:13.33 | samantha-c- | wow. git adding a big directory is. slow. |
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| 06:13.52 | karsten | samantha-c-: Don't talk to me about big directories. |
| 06:13.59 | simonrvn | luckily most things are very fast |
| 06:14.09 | samantha-c- | karsten, define big. |
| 06:14.12 | karsten | We're updating an image repo at work. Have to change ownerships. 1.4 million files. NFS mount. |
| 06:14.16 | simonrvn | even on an old beige g3 it's pretty zippy |
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| 06:14.30 | simonrvn | svn never was... |
| 06:14.34 | karsten | I'm doing some performance testing on my local disk, created a 10m file directory tree. |
| 06:14.55 | karsten | Chown on that runs in 76m52.735s |
| 06:15.44 | samantha-c- | okay so |
| 06:16.01 | samantha-c- | bah. i imported a bunch of crap into the wrong branch. now to fix. |
| 06:16.13 | simonrvn | wewps |
| 06:16.16 | karlpinc | prefers darcs, and openwrt over dd-wrt because the latter is 1 guy who had 2nd thoughts about open-sourcing, and tomato contains proprietary bits. |
| 06:16.19 | simonrvn | git revert |
| 06:16.54 | samantha-c- | simon, haven't committed yet, only done an add. |
| 06:17.02 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 06:17.23 | samantha-c- | git reset? |
| 06:17.31 | simonrvn | i think that'll work anyway, i don't recall |
| 06:17.40 | simonrvn | iirc yes |
| 06:18.00 | simonrvn | i get those confused still. don't use them much |
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| 06:18.31 | samantha-c- | yeah git reset --hard rolls back to the last commit. |
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| 06:18.48 | simonrvn | ty |
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| 06:19.33 | simonrvn | ok, this ndn needs to sleep. g'night |
| 06:20.02 | karsten | simonrvn: sleep tight |
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| 06:20.21 | karsten | simonrvn: Little ndn or big ndn? |
| 06:21.03 | beardy | Night simonrvn |
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| 06:26.47 | samantha-c- | crap i should have written a shell script to do this |
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| 06:34.54 | karsten | samantha-c-: I replaced my last girlfriend with a very simple shell script. |
| 06:36.31 | samantha-c- | karsten: 8 branches, initial commits, and i've already fucked them up |
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| 06:36.39 | samantha-c- | i should just rm -rf and have done with it |
| 06:37.08 | samantha-c- | yeah i think that's what i'll do |
| 06:37.50 | karsten | Sometimes going through it a few times is what's necessary. |
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| 06:37.59 | karsten | What are you doing? Adding repos for a series of subdirectories? |
| 06:38.03 | samantha-c- | yeah |
| 06:38.09 | samantha-c- | only i've gotten them mixed up |
| 06:38.18 | karsten | for d in $( list of dirs ); do cd $d; do stuff; cd ..; done |
| 06:38.22 | samantha-c- | doing it by shell script will fix it |
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| 06:40.54 | samantha-c- | should only take a few minutes to recopy everything |
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| 06:42.06 | samantha-c- | great time to finally go pee i guess. |
| 06:42.28 | karsten | shell scripts: allowing sysadmins to pee for 40 years. |
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| 06:44.57 | samantha-c- | it's recopying over network |
| 06:45.01 | samantha-c- | i should switch to gigabit |
| 06:45.10 | samantha-c- | of course that would require replacing all my hardware, so won't happen soon |
| 06:45.10 | cast | indeed. |
| 06:45.14 | karsten | Naw. Less itme to pee. |
| 06:45.29 | samantha-c- | i have kids. i pee while running. |
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| 06:47.21 | samantha-c- | or if i'm at a dave matthews band concert, i pee at my seat |
| 06:48.04 | samantha-c- | i'm something of a dmb fanatic tho |
| 06:48.24 | karsten | has gathered. |
| 06:49.02 | samantha-c- | in 2005 i did all four nights of a three-night stand at red rocks ... eight and a half months pregnant. |
| 06:49.36 | samantha-c- | i can not tell you what that does to a fat girl's feet |
| 06:49.45 | samantha-c- | cuz frankly, i couldn't see them |
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| 06:52.48 | samantha-c- | you know, 10 gig over a 100mb connection takes longer than i remember |
| 06:54.32 | karsten | OK, gitweb configured.... |
| 06:54.45 | karsten | all four nights of a three-night stand? |
| 06:55.11 | karsten | I want you making change for me. |
| 06:55.31 | samantha-c- | red rocks was the end of the tour and they scheduled a friday saturday sunday finale. this was 2005. after katrina did her thing on the gulf coast, they added a 4th benefit show monday night |
| 06:55.48 | karsten | vaguely remembers. |
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| 06:56.47 | samantha-c- | i would have sold my soul for a ticket, but that wasn't necessary |
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| 06:58.15 | samantha-c- | instead i was able to browbeat someone into putting me up for an extra night by threatening to cook for them if they didn't |
| 06:58.36 | samantha-c- | NONONO STAY AS LONG AS YOU WANT. just for fuck's sake, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN. |
| 06:59.22 | samantha-c- | oh yay. my rsync only has about an hour and a half left. |
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| 07:02.05 | BW^- | how do I get the md5 hash of each file in the current directory? |
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| 07:02.41 | samantha-c- | BW^-, md5sum -b * > output.txt |
| 07:02.46 | samantha-c- | -b for binary files |
| 07:02.54 | samantha-c- | redirect to output.txt so you can read them later |
| 07:03.08 | BW^- | samantha-c-: in what package is that app? |
| 07:03.21 | BW^- | oh it's installed, super :) |
| 07:03.52 | BW^- | thx :) |
| 07:04.00 | BW^- | md5[tab] didn't show anything, that's why i asked. thanks. |
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| 07:05.53 | aixenv | the aacraid within the disk driver list isnt working, any thoughts? |
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| 07:17.52 | suw | hello |
| 07:18.12 | suw | I'm having problems with bind, after upgrade I see this error: 3070372064:error:0E065068:configuration file routines:STR_COPY:variable has no value:conf_def.c:629:line 37 |
| 07:18.49 | suw | I tried to uninstall it with purge and reinstall it back - but Auto configuration failed |
| 07:18.49 | suw | 3070372064:error:0E065068:configuration file routines:STR_COPY:variable has no value:conf_def.c:629:line 37 |
| 07:19.04 | suw | either dig get the same error |
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| 07:21.48 | Parabola | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
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| 07:21.59 | suw | hmm it's seems it's an ssl error |
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| 07:22.23 | karsten | g'night all. |
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| 07:28.47 | k23z__ | what environment variable contains the paths to libraries ? |
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| 07:30.53 | suw | got it |
| 07:31.24 | suw | it's an error in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
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| 07:32.46 | k23z__ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 07:34.09 | cast | ahh, man ld.so being the relevent manpage |
| 07:34.31 | samantha-c- | git is chewing. |
| 07:36.49 | Dassu | http://img39.imageshack.us/f/bootchartb.png/ Any tips and hints to improve the boot speed? |
| 07:37.30 | cast | SSD? :) |
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| 07:37.46 | Dassu | cast: Naw. Normal sata |
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| 07:39.51 | cast | i don't boot into x, nor do dbus, wpa, avahi, networkmanager, or gdm start when i boot, |
| 07:39.53 | valdyn | !insserv |
| 07:39.54 | dpkg | insserv is probably a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. See also <upstart>. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts (see <missing lsb tags>). |
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| 07:41.45 | samantha-c- | i wonder why i can't reach the mirrors. |
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| 07:43.03 | cast | seems you have a lot of networking problems |
| 07:43.15 | samantha-c- | cable modem needs a kick apparently. |
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| 07:45.12 | samantha-c- | actually |
| 07:45.17 | samantha-c- | cable modem provider needs a kick |
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| 07:46.40 | samantha-c- | even having trouble connecting to the book of faces |
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| 08:03.17 | NotLim | hi there. I need some help: I'm running debian lenny, and i have a raid5, when i do fdisk -l /dev/md0 there is a md0p1 partition, but... there is not in /proc/partitions ... how can i force debian to "detect" it? thanks |
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| 08:10.40 | opti | is there a 2.6.34 kernel package floating around somewhere for sid ? |
| 08:12.00 | samantha-c- | opti: apparently not. you could roll your own. |
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| 08:12.28 | opti | yeah, found it odd, theres not even a .33 package either |
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| 08:25.00 | cast | hmm, i always forget this bit, so i made a partition /dev/sdc2, how do i get it to show up in /dev? |
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| 08:54.19 | karsten | cast: Either udev will pick it up automatically and create the device file, or you need to reboot for your kernel to pick up the partition. |
| 08:54.54 | karsten | cast: 'grep /dev/sda2 /proc/partitions' may be dispositive as to whether or not the kernel's seeing it. |
| 08:54.58 | karsten | I'm not sure. |
| 08:55.19 | cast | there is some manual way to reload the partition table |
| 08:56.14 | cast | csync() and a BLKRRPART ioctl() (reread partition table from disk) |
| 08:56.17 | cast | ahh, there we go |
| 08:56.20 | cast | -c |
| 08:56.32 | karsten | cast: Not afaik. It frequently happens when you run fdisk, but not always. |
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| 09:35.58 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 09:36.14 | cousin_mario | what is the recommended tool for resizing ext2 partitions? |
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| 09:37.12 | michalxo | courpse gparted :-) |
| 09:37.42 | cousin_mario | michalxo: no X11 here... can I easily do that from parted? |
| 09:37.55 | michalxo | yes I think |
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| 09:38.55 | cast | cousin_mario: ext2 file systems and partitions are two different things |
| 09:39.08 | cousin_mario | cast: I want to resize both |
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| 09:41.06 | michalxo | http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_chapter/parted_2.html |
| 09:41.46 | michalxo | it will work for you cousin_mario |
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| 09:42.54 | cast | fwiw resize2fs does the FS half |
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| 09:49.06 | cousin_mario | michalxo: will it also invoke resize2fs? |
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| 09:55.26 | michalxo | cousin_mario I am not sure.. read manual.. I have never used ext2 and parted.. I have used gparted on ext3,4 fat .. |
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| 09:58.35 | rtronk | Hello, i just got a VPS server and install debian on it, can anyone tell me how i can find out which package's/programs are already installed on it? |
| 09:58.58 | themill | !installed |
| 09:58.58 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. |
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| 10:00.45 | cousin_mario | mischief: ok, I guess I'll have to remove the disk from my SBC and do the job elsewhere... |
| 10:00.48 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 10:02.33 | rtronk | can anyone recommend a good howto setup a vps? |
| 10:02.50 | Gryllida | !vps |
| 10:02.50 | dpkg | methinks vps is Virtual Private Server, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 10:02.53 | mischief | thats pretty broad |
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| 10:06.03 | rtronk | what is a very basic, low processer speed X |
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| 10:06.45 | NoPyGod | I have just installed Debian on VirtualBox, along with the Guest Additions, and I am now receiving a message telling me there was a kernel failure, when i log in to the desktop |
| 10:07.01 | NoPyGod | Would anyone have any useful advice? Google yields lots of people in the same situation, but apparently no solutions |
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| 10:13.11 | NoPyGod | see this is the thing that will forever bug me about linux |
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| 10:13.43 | NoPyGod | nothing is simple, and if you dont encounter atleast 3 hiccups while doing something, you've probably done it wrong anyway |
| 10:13.50 | petemc | bullshit |
| 10:13.58 | nsadmin | well |
| 10:14.03 | cast | NoPyGod: then don't use linux, kfreebsd is in testing |
| 10:14.30 | NoPyGod | i have to learn how to use it, its the only way to advance my career |
| 10:14.33 | NoPyGod | lol ;p |
| 10:15.00 | nsadmin | you haven't taken it in small enough chunks, AND you probably didn't get a chance to learn it without (say) economic pressure |
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| 10:15.17 | nsadmin | it's clear that right now you don't really like it |
| 10:15.22 | NoPyGod | nsadmin i have |
| 10:15.39 | NoPyGod | in my own time, as a hobby, i setup a debian webserver |
| 10:15.43 | nsadmin | so you have to decide what is the highest and best use of your time |
| 10:15.43 | cast | NoPyGod: then what fundamental difference is there between you, and us, who find it easy |
| 10:15.50 | NoPyGod | with lots of very specific software and components |
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| 10:16.10 | NoPyGod | but tonight, i just want to get it running on virtualbox |
| 10:16.20 | NoPyGod | cus im going overseas, and want to continue to be able to work on my hobby |
| 10:16.31 | nsadmin | one thing that's helpful (to me anyway) is the ability to parse input and otherwise process text |
| 10:16.54 | NoPyGod | cast: probably years of experience |
| 10:17.30 | nsadmin | I like to do things like use one scripting language to "printf" a script written in another |
| 10:17.43 | NoPyGod | lol |
| 10:17.49 | nsadmin | this ability is handier more often than I would have thought |
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| 10:18.29 | nsadmin | it's this text processing that the basic unix tools are (collectively) a whiz kid at |
| 10:18.49 | nsadmin | example... |
| 10:18.54 | cast | NoPyGod: maybe. i don't know how to use windows, i find it difficult and things don't work right first time, installing software is hard as X depends on Y which depends on SPN |
| 10:18.57 | nsadmin | say you have an apache config file |
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| 10:19.26 | nsadmin | and you want to cookiecutter lots of sites, and also assume that this requires you to change one line |
| 10:19.29 | nsadmin | that's easy |
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| 10:19.44 | NoPyGod | apache is not an httpd im particularly fond of |
| 10:19.57 | NoPyGod | though i understand for static files, its pretty good |
| 10:19.59 | nsadmin | how bout this then: |
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| 10:20.30 | cast | NoPyGod: FWIW i don't think debian has a virtualbox port ;) |
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| 10:20.37 | nsadmin | btw, I agree with you, I find aolserver has a stronger API |
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| 10:21.48 | nsadmin | but howbout this: say you write an apache config file, then you decide you want to run some other web server... it could be possible to write a script that reads the apache config and writes a config for whatever web server |
| 10:22.12 | nsadmin | this is where -basic- unix shines. |
| 10:22.27 | nsadmin | which means NOT NOT NOT X |
| 10:22.34 | NoPyGod | i dont even use X |
| 10:22.43 | NoPyGod | its just because ive got it on my laptop in a virtual machine |
| 10:22.51 | NoPyGod | for my dedicated server, i ssh in |
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| 10:23.42 | nsadmin | ok, then what do you see as your three biggest problems with knowing/learning/using unix/linux that you want to solve asap? |
| 10:23.53 | NoPyGod | cast: maybe thats my problem, i need to look for a specific debian port of virtualbox guest additons |
| 10:24.17 | NoPyGod | nsadmin, i really dont know, i just find installing things often involves multiple hurdles |
| 10:24.30 | nsadmin | that's true all over tho |
| 10:24.32 | cast | or, just install debian :) |
| 10:24.40 | cast | use it as your desktop OS |
| 10:24.48 | NoPyGod | need windows on laptop for most things |
| 10:24.52 | NoPyGod | heh |
| 10:24.58 | cast | redefine your needs |
| 10:25.08 | nsadmin | big hd would be a plus' |
| 10:25.12 | cast | run windows in a virtualbox instead |
| 10:25.12 | NoPyGod | yeah, can you offer an alternative to outlook with exchange support? |
| 10:25.19 | NoPyGod | because linux is not a swiss army knife |
| 10:25.29 | NoPyGod | haha |
| 10:25.32 | NoPyGod | interesting idea |
| 10:25.35 | NoPyGod | ill give you that ;p |
| 10:25.35 | nsadmin | true... it is a swiss army nuke |
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| 10:26.22 | shylent | obviously you can use exchange's web access |
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| 10:26.28 | nsadmin | and the nuke part even makes sense... the more you know about splitting atoms the better you can deal with nukes |
| 10:26.33 | cast | my thoughts are if you don't use an OS as your primary OS, you'll never be as good as the people who do, and seeing how you're pretty uncompetitive in the nix job market as it is, you can't be taking half measures in your learning |
| 10:26.34 | NoPyGod | haha |
| 10:26.36 | shylent | that should be crossplatform |
| 10:27.07 | cast | shylent: is it actually usable? out of curiousity |
| 10:27.16 | nsadmin | same is true with linux, unix or really any os, the more you understand and can apply to any situation, the more useful a tool it's going to be |
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| 10:27.38 | shylent | cast: no idea (I use Lotus Notes which IS crossplatform), but I reckon it is in year 2010 |
| 10:27.55 | shylent | IBM's webmail thing is quite good :P |
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| 10:29.21 | NoPyGod | ive now removed virtualbox guest additions |
| 10:29.26 | NoPyGod | and still getting kernel error, |
| 10:29.26 | nsadmin | openacs used to have a working webmail when you configured it properly... but it was abandoned because it didn't support both oracle and pg |
| 10:29.36 | NoPyGod | so apparently it's just debian on virtual box, not the addditons |
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| 10:30.11 | cast | you could spawn an amazon EC2 instance, there will be debian images for that too |
| 10:30.28 | NoPyGod | cast: you offer me work arounds |
| 10:30.34 | NoPyGod | i want to do things my way |
| 10:30.38 | nsadmin | well, can't evaluate your statement: because you only say "kernel error", it's anecdotal and actually unhelpful |
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| 10:31.01 | cast | your way is demonstatably broken ;P |
| 10:31.28 | NoPyGod | gnome reports a kernel failure on logon, and gives me very little information |
| 10:31.34 | nsadmin | he's demonstrizing your way :P |
| 10:31.40 | NoPyGod | "Your system has had a kernel failure" |
| 10:31.44 | NoPyGod | thats pretty much all i get |
| 10:32.03 | cast | and does the system work |
| 10:32.07 | NoPyGod | yes |
| 10:32.13 | nsadmin | then you too are getting unhelpful messages... gotta find where the real ones are kept |
| 10:32.26 | cast | oh, so whats broken? |
| 10:32.41 | NoPyGod | my OCD will not tolerate a kernel failure message |
| 10:32.48 | NoPyGod | regardless of whether the system is working fine |
| 10:32.59 | cast | don't boot into gnome then :) |
| 10:33.13 | NoPyGod | haha |
| 10:33.15 | nsadmin | that would be an issue to take up between yourself and your life coach :) |
| 10:33.19 | NoPyGod | the error will still be occuring |
| 10:33.20 | cast | gnome impedes learning skills important for servers, anyway |
| 10:33.35 | shylent | so use kde instead, thats right |
| 10:33.45 | shylent | that should build your skills important for servers right up :P |
| 10:33.58 | NoPyGod | i'd love to use KDE instead |
| 10:34.04 | nsadmin | your ocd should be pushing you forward into finding out more specifrcs |
| 10:34.04 | shylent | (no I am not being serious) |
| 10:34.17 | NoPyGod | right now it is |
| 10:34.24 | NoPyGod | im trying to find out where the stinking error is occuring |
| 10:34.26 | NoPyGod | lol |
| 10:34.32 | cast | ctrl-alt-f1, problem solved |
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| 10:34.48 | NoPyGod | thank you cast, i didnt know about that hotkey |
| 10:34.50 | NoPyGod | ;p |
| 10:34.50 | nsadmin | look at /var/log/kern.log |
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| 10:36.13 | NoPyGod | cast: how does one start X again after doing that? |
| 10:36.20 | cast | alt-f7 |
| 10:36.29 | NoPyGod | thx |
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| 10:36.44 | cracoucas83 | Hi , I am lloking for a room specialised for server debian and ubuntu maintenance |
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| 10:37.02 | shylent | what exactly are you trying to maintain? |
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| 10:37.28 | linuxman410 | when is debian 6 release date |
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| 10:37.49 | nsadmin | in Septober! |
| 10:37.52 | cracoucas83 | I want to know some tricks about server administration |
| 10:38.00 | linuxman410 | thanks |
| 10:38.15 | Bop | anyone with compaq mini , and the problem of no sound on speakers ? |
| 10:38.26 | cast | cracoucas83: i have a neat trick, its called a backup! |
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| 10:38.35 | omajgat | Hi, i have VPS/openVZ with lenny, and user if use htop, or top can see root process, what can i do to block this? |
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| 10:39.00 | cast | omajgat: thats not a security issue, why do you want to block it? |
| 10:39.18 | nsadmin | cracoucas83: here is a trick: the stronger you know each piece of basic unix (especially the shell itself), the more you will be able to create these tricks yourself |
| 10:39.52 | petemc | omajgat: you would need to use selinux, tho im not sure if you can with openvz |
| 10:39.56 | linuxman410 | is beta out foe debian 6 |
| 10:40.05 | linuxman410 | for |
| 10:40.15 | cast | petemc: doubt his VPS provider is going to let him change anything kernel related :\ |
| 10:40.59 | omajgat | hmy |
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| 10:41.26 | omajgat | enouge to change SELINUX? |
| 10:41.42 | omajgat | this not be problem for ovz? |
| 10:41.49 | omajgat | or something.. |
| 10:42.11 | shylent | wait what do you mean, 'root' process? do you mean the 'init'? |
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| 10:42.36 | omajgat | openvz is 'hosted' on my server, so i can do all |
| 10:43.14 | shylent | what exactly is the problem? |
| 10:43.41 | omajgat | Normal user can see root process |
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| 10:43.49 | omajgat | on top, htop, ps aux |
| 10:43.51 | omajgat | etc |
| 10:43.59 | broy_ | and the problem is ..? |
| 10:44.04 | shylent | so what? |
| 10:44.05 | omajgat | hehe |
| 10:44.16 | omajgat | someone can use |
| 10:44.22 | omajgat | screen irssi + password |
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| 10:44.44 | omajgat | and other user can see this? |
| 10:44.59 | broy_ | man linux |
| 10:45.12 | NoPyGod | ^ haha |
| 10:45.20 | petemc | if you're doing something that shows a password in the ps output, you're doing it wrong |
| 10:45.49 | shylent | well, if you want to prevent people from being idiots you have to try harder :P |
| 10:46.05 | broy_ | heh |
| 10:46.59 | shylent | this has nothing to do with openvz though |
| 10:47.26 | shylent | each guest is supposed to have its very own process tree |
| 10:47.28 | omajgat | example: screen irssi -c obama.com -p 6969 -n nick -w password |
| 10:47.31 | NoPyGod | nsadmin: i've finally managed to open kern.log in a way which is actually readable. any advice on what i should be looknig for? |
| 10:47.35 | cast | reminds me, i want to setup firefox to run in a UML jail :) |
| 10:47.44 | omajgat | and this user proble lose password |
| 10:47.52 | shylent | cast: the reason being? :P |
| 10:47.55 | cast | omajgat: irssi has a config file normal people use... |
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| 10:48.06 | omajgat | ok |
| 10:48.07 | cast | shylent: firefox security sucks. |
| 10:48.13 | omajgat | thx for help |
| 10:48.15 | shylent | oh, thats not new :P |
| 10:49.15 | cast | shylent: it being an old problem makes it all the more dangerous |
| 10:49.15 | shylent | obama.com does have something that is listening on 6969 :P |
| 10:49.32 | Azeotrope | why the hell what omajat said about screen and irrsi coloured in yellow? |
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| 10:49.56 | cast | Azeotrope: thats a question for your irc client |
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| 10:50.38 | Azeotrope | hmm |
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| 10:53.27 | NoPyGod | WARNING: strange, CPU MTRRs all blank? |
| 10:53.33 | NoPyGod | there's the culpret in my kern.log |
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| 10:53.37 | NoPyGod | WARNING: at arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/main.c:696 mtrr_trim_uncached_memory+0x178/0x183() |
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| 10:59.57 | nsadmin | those are not errors |
| 11:01.14 | NoPyGod | .. ? |
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| 11:01.34 | NoPyGod | [ 563.907805] nautilus[3442]: segfault at 4 ip b6d4bbf4 sp bfffdf00 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1600.6[b6cf5000+b4000] |
| 11:01.37 | NoPyGod | wat about that? lol |
| 11:03.33 | Bushmills | NoPyGod: what CPU? |
| 11:04.38 | NoPyGod | its VirtualBox |
| 11:04.46 | NoPyGod | virtual machine |
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| 11:06.49 | Bushmills | what does grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 11:07.37 | NoPyGod | intel core duo cpu |
| 11:07.41 | NoPyGod | t2400 @ 1.83ghz |
| 11:07.52 | Bushmills | and uname -a ? |
| 11:07.54 | NoPyGod | which is the cpu of the host |
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| 11:08.17 | NoPyGod | linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 smp |
| 11:08.24 | NoPyGod | [u need the rest? |
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| 11:08.32 | Bushmills | that should do |
| 11:08.39 | nsadmin | probly not |
| 11:08.54 | nsadmin | uname -r shoudl be enuf which is alreay there |
| 11:08.58 | Bushmills | try to boot a 386 kernel, or disable use of memory type and range registers |
| 11:09.28 | NoPyGod | hears charlie brown teacher voice |
| 11:09.30 | _L30_ | hey im unable to boot |
| 11:09.59 | _L30_ | kernel panic error |
| 11:09.59 | Bushmills | _L30_: do you want to hear "congratulations" or be sympathised with? |
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| 11:10.12 | _L30_ | http://imagebin.org/99979 check the screen shot |
| 11:10.16 | nsadmin | what's the kernel panicing about |
| 11:10.32 | NoPyGod | i see im not the only one having problems with virtual box todauy |
| 11:10.33 | NoPyGod | :P |
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| 11:11.09 | eshat | Hi all, somehow, I can not subscribe too any bug on debian's BTS |
| 11:11.13 | nsadmin | is this a kernel you built? |
| 11:11.36 | _L30_ | yes nsadmin |
| 11:11.50 | nsadmin | did you use make-kpkg to build it? |
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| 11:11.53 | _L30_ | but used the bpo-2.6.32 kernel |
| 11:12.04 | _L30_ | yes i even built the initrd.img |
| 11:12.16 | eshat | I've sent a message to n-subscribe@bugs.debian.org (where n is a bug number) but didn't get any answer |
| 11:12.18 | _L30_ | i didnt use the make-kpkg |
| 11:12.33 | nsadmin | hmm, when you ran make-kpkg did you specify --initrd? |
| 11:12.55 | nsadmin | so this is not a kernel you built |
| 11:12.57 | _L30_ | nsadmin: i used linux-live scripts to build it |
| 11:13.00 | nsadmin | but a backport |
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| 11:13.08 | _L30_ | yes its a backport |
| 11:13.26 | _L30_ | though i am trying to make a build using that |
| 11:13.41 | _L30_ | since i found that kernel has aufs n squashfs+lzma modules |
| 11:13.50 | _L30_ | as suggested by the linux-live |
| 11:13.59 | nsadmin | try rebuilding kernel using make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 11:14.14 | _L30_ | ok |
| 11:14.29 | _L30_ | actual system i am able to boot |
| 11:14.38 | nsadmin | and check the man page to see what that means too |
| 11:14.42 | _L30_ | but when i make a iso out of it using linux-live scripts it fails |
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| 11:15.19 | Xunie | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers on 64 bit lenny. |
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| 11:16.00 | _L30_ | nsadmin: can you help me with linux-live scripts? |
| 11:16.15 | nsadmin | I have no idea what they are |
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| 11:16.20 | Xunie | How ever, trying to install nvidia-glx, which depends on nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64, but the nvidia-kernel-etc.. package depends on nvidia-kernel-common which has no installation candidate. |
| 11:16.25 | Xunie | How do I fix this... pickle? |
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| 11:16.59 | nsadmin | see if you can find mailing list of the folks who are building debian live cds and see how they do it |
| 11:17.00 | _L30_ | sorry lost my connection |
| 11:17.27 | _L30_ | nsadmin: can you help me finding them |
| 11:18.02 | brusca | hi, i would like to go to the /usr/src/linux directory in order to run "make xconfig" but this directory does not exists. Only thing i see is: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 30 2010-05-16 22:38 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 |
| 11:18.15 | nsadmin | let's see...got it on first hit: |
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| 11:18.18 | nsadmin | google for |
| 11:18.25 | nsadmin | live debian cd building |
| 11:18.26 | _L30_ | i have been searching a lot but looks like there is no much tutorials or documentation over that |
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| 11:18.49 | lindi- | brusca: I would build linux as non-root user in home directory |
| 11:19.40 | brusca | how can I accomplish this? or where to find documentation on it? |
| 11:19.44 | nsadmin | they might have a mailing list but that first link is to their wiki |
| 11:19.52 | valdyn | brusca: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 11:20.37 | brusca | valdyn: im following a howto to build nvidia drivers manually, with a custom kernel. |
| 11:20.54 | valdyn | brusca: why would you need a custom kernel? |
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| 11:21.32 | brusca | I have a custom kernel at the moment because (i think) is was needed to get a WLAN driver working |
| 11:21.44 | valdyn | brusca: who made that custom kernel? |
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| 11:22.24 | valdyn | brusca: what is your output for "uname -r" |
| 11:22.24 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt have been |
| 11:23.29 | brusca | valdyn: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 |
| 11:23.38 | valdyn | brusca: so that is not a custom kernel |
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| 11:24.01 | valdyn | brusca: and as far as i can see you already have the linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 package installed |
| 11:24.12 | valdyn | brusca: so you dont need to mess with kernel stuff at all to compile nvidia drivers |
| 11:24.32 | brusca | ok |
| 11:24.39 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 11:24.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:25.39 | Arrowmaster | wow theres actually people in that channel |
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| 11:27.44 | brusca | valdyn: thats exactly the page im reading now. Because a pre-built module is not available i figured the only way to get the driver installed would be by building it manually |
| 11:29.06 | Arrowmaster | nvidia-kernel-dkms does everything for me |
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| 11:30.18 | Andy-at-home | guys, where is aptitude likely to install packages? specifically moodle |
| 11:30.25 | Andy-at-home | cant see it in var/www |
| 11:31.01 | nsadmin | you could install the pkg then do dpkg -L |
| 11:31.11 | liable | Andy-at-home: try /usr/share/doc/moodle |
| 11:31.20 | nsadmin | and dpkg --help to see where it all is |
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| 11:34.32 | eshat | Still I can not subscribe to any bug on bugs.debian.org, i simply do not get an answer to my subscribtion mail... |
| 11:35.06 | Andy-at-home | wasnt in /usr... and dpkg -l just gave me a list with name and version, no installed directory |
| 11:35.39 | nsadmin | look at dpkg --help again, and notice I said something different from -l |
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| 11:36.16 | nsadmin | in fact |
| 11:36.38 | nsadmin | compare what dpkg --help says about dpkg -l to what I said :) |
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| 11:37.02 | nsadmin | err to what dpkg --help says about what I said |
| 11:37.15 | liable | erm, dpkg -L |
| 11:37.24 | liable | read the docs for it though.. |
| 11:37.30 | nsadmin | oh, is THAT what I said... |
| 11:37.43 | liable | thats what you *should* have :P |
| 11:38.37 | nsadmin | liable: scroll up a bit... notice all that's covered :) |
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| 11:39.33 | liable | oh right, i got sidetracked by your --help comment, my bad |
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| 11:40.03 | liable | my short term memory appears to be fading.. |
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| 11:50.46 | project2501b | hey guys, when is squeeze supposed to come out as current? |
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| 11:51.37 | sohum | so I'm trying to figure out why my debian system seems to be much worse at gaming than my windows partition. I'm on intel gma, and I've verified that I'm using DRI and UXA. I'm also currently downloading a phoronix test to see if this crappy performance is actually normal. anything else you guys can point me to? |
| 11:51.37 | wols_ | r!tell project2501b about siyh |
| 11:51.42 | wols_ | !tell project2501b about siyh |
| 11:52.00 | Lazy^ | Hello, i've Ati X850XT, i know that ATI doesnt support that card with drivers. But how i can get it working properly ... |
| 11:52.09 | wols_ | sohum: buy decent hardware... |
| 11:52.21 | sohum | wols_: would that were an option :P |
| 11:52.31 | wols_ | Lazy^: it's supported by the radeon xorg driver since it's a r300 derieved card |
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| 11:54.46 | Lazy^ | wols_: i A xserver-xorg-video-radeon <- do you mean this one ? |
| 11:54.52 | LetoPoole | Lazy^: Check the open driver performance, don't forget to install linux-firmaware |
| 11:55.28 | LetoPoole | I have a r300 too, and I even have KMS, compiz, etc |
| 11:58.39 | LetoPoole | I forgot to mention that I compile the driver from git sources, since I was getting glitches |
| 11:58.53 | LetoPoole | maybe sid's driver is better (I'm on Squeeze) |
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| 12:01.53 | project2501b | wols_: sorry man, too busy porting lenny to SGI altix uv 1000 :D |
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| 12:03.34 | project2501b | i really don't understand why sgi will not port debian to altix :( |
| 12:06.01 | wols_ | project2501b: cause no one pays for it |
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| 12:06.51 | project2501b | wols_: basically lenny DOES boot up in altix |
| 12:06.57 | project2501b | and i AM seeing all 600 cores |
| 12:07.05 | project2501b | and the 2.5TB ram |
| 12:07.14 | liable | 600 cores?? |
| 12:07.17 | project2501b | yup |
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| 12:07.29 | manatails | ls |
| 12:07.32 | wols_ | liable: altix... just look it up on wikipedia |
| 12:07.44 | manatails | sorry, thought that this was linux terminal lol |
| 12:07.44 | liable | yeah |
| 12:07.57 | manatails | hi |
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| 12:11.03 | manatails | What should I do to use use Remote desktop before logging on? |
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| 12:11.56 | manatails | my box refuses connection when it isnt logged in |
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| 12:11.57 | manatails | any workarounds? |
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| 12:11.57 | courpse | login. |
| 12:11.57 | courpse | :P |
| 12:12.11 | project2501b | manatails: ssh? |
| 12:13.00 | manatails | hm |
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| 12:14.30 | nsadmin | what do you mean "use remote desktop" exactly, for what you specifically want to do at the moment? |
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| 12:17.41 | manatails | nsadmin: vnc |
| 12:18.14 | manatails | debian's default vnc server wont accept connections before local user has logged in |
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| 12:18.54 | lindi- | manatails: what's debian's default vnc server? |
| 12:19.03 | gartt | There is one? |
| 12:19.07 | lindi- | i'm using vnc4server |
| 12:19.21 | wols_ | liable: there almost never is any "default" debian thing :) |
| 12:19.25 | wols_ | lindi-: ^^ |
| 12:19.41 | manatails | System-preference-remote desktop? |
| 12:19.45 | manatails | I cant recall well |
| 12:19.53 | manatails | is using windows atm |
| 12:20.06 | wols_ | manatails: that is gnome software (vino-server). how can it run before the gnome is started... |
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| 12:20.32 | lindi- | wols_: ah but that just shares your Xorg access with vnc protocol |
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| 12:21.52 | Andy-at-home | guys, ive just installed moodle via aptitude, i cant access it from the localhost http://localhost/moodle/ but not from the my other lan pc using http://192.168.150.133/moodle |
| 12:21.55 | wols_ | manatails: make it log in automatically. gdm can do it or you could start your X session without login too |
| 12:22.18 | Andy-at-home | i get the error You don't have permission to access /moodle/ on this server. through my network |
| 12:22.18 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: then make it listen on all interfaces (usually by editing a config file) |
| 12:22.57 | Andy-at-home | the webserver works tho, just not for the moodle i added with aptitude |
| 12:23.24 | Andy-at-home | http://192.168.150.133 works but http://192.168.150.133/moodle/ doesnt |
| 12:23.41 | Andy-at-home | i was thinking this was because moodle isnt in the var/www directory? |
| 12:23.49 | manatails | wols_ ok |
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| 12:25.19 | Andy-at-home | what config should i edit? |
| 12:25.27 | Andy-at-home | apache or moodle? |
| 12:25.56 | Andy-at-home | error log just says client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/moodle |
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| 12:28.37 | nsadmin | what's in /usr/share/moodle that might deny client? |
| 12:29.00 | themill | Andy-at-home: I presume you've read /usr/share/doc/moodle/README.Debian |
| 12:29.43 | nsadmin | does moodle use pg? |
| 12:29.50 | Andy-at-home | nah, the answer in there? |
| 12:30.00 | Andy-at-home | dunno about pg |
| 12:30.28 | nsadmin | what db are you using for moodle now? |
| 12:30.54 | Andy-at-home | you mean mysql? |
| 12:31.15 | themill | nsadmin: moodle can use either mysql or pg |
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| 12:32.13 | nsadmin | oh cool |
| 12:32.38 | Andy-at-home | themill, thanks mate, who'd have thought the readme would be useful |
| 12:32.47 | Andy-at-home | ;D |
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| 12:33.00 | nsadmin | those who have read it :) |
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| 12:35.55 | _L30_ | nsadmin: which would be the best way for building custom debian live cd |
| 12:35.57 | _L30_ | ? |
| 12:36.09 | _L30_ | live-helper can serve good? |
| 12:36.41 | mattcen | Hi all. Not sure if this question fits better in #debian or #openldap, but I'm having trouble getting OpenLDAP over SSL to work. |
| 12:37.00 | nsadmin | as you may have noticed in trying to build live cds... it's BIG |
| 12:37.17 | nsadmin | the scripts can be huge, and do a hell of a lot |
| 12:37.18 | _L30_ | yes but what about the compression rate? |
| 12:37.29 | _L30_ | will the iso be small? |
| 12:37.35 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 12:37.43 | mattcen | Have created SSL certs, told slapd.conf about them, told ldap.conf to include ldaps://ldap.example.com as a URI, but it still won't listen on port 636 or whatever it is... |
| 12:37.49 | nsadmin | I would guess it depends on what you put in the cd |
| 12:38.22 | _L30_ | thats why i insist on compression rate |
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| 12:38.54 | nsadmin | _L30_: not much I can actually do about that... I guess bzip2 or gzip is used |
| 12:39.30 | rgroid | Is there an app to show owner info on lock screen 2.1 |
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| 12:40.21 | nsadmin | owner of what? what info would you show |
| 12:40.24 | mattcen | _L30_: If you use squashfs (which I believe can be done from live-helper), it uses Gzip according to Wikipedia |
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| 12:40.53 | _L30_ | mattcen: i want to use squashfs+lzma |
| 12:41.10 | mattcen | I don't know if you can... |
| 12:41.23 | _L30_ | if you check http://pureos.org/ they have made a very good distro |
| 12:41.26 | mattcen | Oh sorry, it looks like there's a project that supports it |
| 12:41.38 | mattcen | http://www.squashfs-lzma.org/ |
| 12:41.43 | nsadmin | but distros other than debian are off topic |
| 12:42.12 | nsadmin | I don't care personally, but someone else might |
| 12:42.25 | _L30_ | well its a debian family anyways :) |
| 12:42.59 | mattcen | _L30_: Perhaps see if they have their own livecd building documentation? |
| 12:43.10 | _L30_ | yes mattcen i have been trying that and it has no updates recently |
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| 12:43.24 | _L30_ | yes i wrote to them hoping a reply back soon |
| 12:44.09 | mattcen | Right. Well I don't think I can be any more helpful; I've hardly used live-helper at all, and very little about the inner-workings of squashfs. Also my mind is currently on LDAP :P |
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| 12:53.24 | DeathWolf | mmm, does anyone know if there's any way to make rsync do a dry run but only print files it'd actually modify/upload rather than check? |
| 12:53.53 | rgroid | what ownerinfo??? |
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| 12:58.55 | mattcen | DeathWolf: I think there is, and I *thought* that was what dry run did... but I could be wrong. let me check |
| 12:59.14 | DeathWolf | --itemize-changes is helping debug:) |
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| 13:09.39 | mattcen | DeathWolf: Yes that's probably the best idea; because it seems to work fine for me. I did a 'rsync -avP Desktop/ Desktop2/' then the same with '-n'. The second time it showed no changes. I changed a file in the destination, ran again, and it showed it would revert the change. |
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| 13:12.49 | Appetite | i created user and group quotas, they worked, but then i restarted the system, and now they don't seem to apply. i type 'quota' on my users now and it says no quota, but the aquota.user and aquota.group files have stuff in them. any ideas? |
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| 13:14.52 | Marsh4ll | hi |
| 13:15.11 | mattcen | Appetite: Do you have the 'usrquota' and 'grpquota' options in the 'fstab' entry for the quota'd filesystem? |
| 13:15.49 | Marsh4ll | is it possible to get the terminal to print a command endlessly? (every few seconds) |
| 13:16.03 | mattcen | Marsh4ll: You can do it using 'watch' |
| 13:16.19 | mattcen | If you want to display the output regularly. |
| 13:16.37 | Appetite | yes i do mattcen |
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| 13:16.47 | jaws | Hi |
| 13:16.48 | Marsh4ll | i want it to execute same command every few secs |
| 13:16.59 | mattcen | If you just want to just run the command continuously, try: while true; do <command>; sleep <seconds>; done (see #bash for more details) |
| 13:17.06 | jaws | I wanna use an antivirus server |
| 13:17.11 | Appetite | Marsh4ll: 'watch ps x' |
| 13:17.29 | mattcen | Appetite: That's interesting then... |
| 13:17.31 | jaws | there is any server antivirus to check windows machine |
| 13:18.16 | mattcen | jaws: If you want to run a Linux antivirus server for Windows, you may be able to do that with ClamAV, but I've never done it, so I'm not 100% sure |
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| 13:18.40 | mattcen | Appetite: If you type 'mount' does it show those options are actually applied to the filesystem in question? |
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| 13:18.57 | sepult | clamwin is cool |
| 13:18.59 | sepult | for win |
| 13:19.00 | Appetite | mattcen: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota) |
| 13:19.11 | mattcen | Interesting |
| 13:19.13 | wols_ | jaws: many AV vendors have a linux "enterprise" snakeoil. clamav is possible but just as useless as all other AV products. |
| 13:19.22 | Marsh4ll | do u know why i get no internet untill i manually set ap? then i get net for abt 5 secs |
| 13:19.42 | Marsh4ll | getting really annoying now :S |
| 13:19.50 | wols_ | Marsh4ll: probably network-manager and /etc/network/interfaces fighting |
| 13:19.52 | mattcen | Marsh4ll: I think you'll have to be more specific than that. |
| 13:20.03 | Marsh4ll | ok |
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| 13:20.27 | Marsh4ll | when i type "iwconfig wlan0 ap AC:CE:SS:PO:INT" i get internet |
| 13:20.30 | wols_ | Marsh4ll: executing the same command over and over again won't fix your problem btw |
| 13:20.37 | Marsh4ll | 5 seconds later i dont |
| 13:20.46 | Marsh4ll | it will lol |
| 13:20.50 | wols_ | Marsh4ll: are you in gnome? |
| 13:20.54 | Marsh4ll | as i was spamming it earlier |
| 13:20.56 | Marsh4ll | no |
| 13:20.56 | Marsh4ll | KDE |
| 13:21.01 | mattcen | Appetite: I don't know if I'm going to be of any more help... I've never configged quotas on Debian, but I'm working from the settings on my Fedora box... |
| 13:21.07 | wols_ | it has a networkmanager thingie too |
| 13:21.13 | wols_ | Marsh4ll: what do your logs say? |
| 13:21.22 | Marsh4ll | how i turn off network-manager? |
| 13:21.31 | Marsh4ll | dmesg? |
| 13:21.35 | mattcen | /etc/init.d/network-manager stop? |
| 13:21.51 | mattcen | I'm not sure if that's the right case... |
| 13:21.51 | sepult | rm -f /etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 13:22.04 | wols_ | sepult: don't give people bad advice please |
| 13:22.17 | mattcen | I was going to say... |
| 13:22.30 | sepult | i uninstalled it totally |
| 13:22.32 | Marsh4ll | stopping network manager could solve this? |
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| 13:22.41 | sepult | no need for that one |
| 13:22.43 | wols_ | sepult: doesn't mean you should be malicious, is that clear? |
| 13:23.05 | liable | Marsh4ll: check for it with 'ps ax' and kill any networky sounding things |
| 13:23.17 | Marsh4ll | what is ps ax |
| 13:23.24 | liable | its a command.. |
| 13:23.27 | wols_ | Marsh4ll: a command. which you need to run as root |
| 13:23.42 | liable | with -ax |
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| 13:23.50 | Marsh4ll | whats the full command? |
| 13:23.54 | liable | ps ax |
| 13:23.57 | Marsh4ll | k |
| 13:24.07 | Marsh4ll | ill type that in console and see if anything happens... |
| 13:24.07 | wols_ | liable: I see trouble in the future... |
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| 13:24.29 | liable | wols_: hehe, we were working through this earlier :) |
| 13:24.32 | mattcen | Just out of curiosuty, why is root necessary? |
| 13:24.42 | liable | its not for ps |
| 13:24.50 | wols_ | mattcen: non-root users can't see other people's (or roots) processes |
| 13:25.04 | wols_ | mea culpa |
| 13:25.08 | mattcen | ... yes they can... |
| 13:25.20 | Marsh4ll | how u logout from 'user' and login as 'root' ? |
| 13:25.22 | madmuppet006 | hi Im trying to get sound working with quake3 arena and lenny 64 so any pointers welcome .. I have been searching for a couple of hours and nothing working so far |
| 13:25.28 | liable | Marsh4ll: su - |
| 13:25.34 | Marsh4ll | yea thats what i been using |
| 13:25.45 | Marsh4ll | i thought u ment literally, logout |
| 13:26.08 | mattcen | My head is starting to hurt... All I wanted was some openldap advice, and now I'm trying to solve other problems :P |
| 13:26.21 | mattcen | is hooked on being helpful |
| 13:26.26 | wols_ | madmuppet006: you need to get OSS emulation working /dev/dsp sound output |
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| 13:26.59 | Marsh4ll | going to try this without network-manager, and using ps ax after |
| 13:27.01 | Marsh4ll | brb |
| 13:27.35 | madmuppet006 | wols:I have seen some references to /dev/dsp in the cfg file but my cfg file is empty altogether |
| 13:28.01 | wols_ | madmuppet006: that's not what I said |
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| 13:28.47 | wols_ | madmuppet006: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? is /dev/dsp output working? |
| 13:28.53 | saulo | Hello all! Where can I suggest softwares for debian? |
| 13:29.09 | wols_ | !tell saulo about rfp |
| 13:29.41 | liable | heh |
| 13:29.53 | liable | was scratching head on that one |
| 13:29.58 | madmuppet006 | wols: sudo /dev/dsp .. command not found |
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| 13:30.21 | mattcen | Ouch |
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| 13:30.34 | wols_ | madmuppet006: ever seen aynting executable in /dev? |
| 13:30.36 | mattcen | madmuppet006: /dev/dsp isn't a command |
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| 13:32.14 | saulo | wols_: Thanks! |
| 13:32.44 | madmuppet006 | wols this is my /dev folder http://pastebin.com/dirkdFqD |
| 13:32.56 | madmuppet006 | sorry |
| 13:33.00 | wols_ | madmuppet006: and why would I care? |
| 13:33.00 | madmuppet006 | wols: |
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| 13:33.54 | madmuppet006 | wols_: you asked if I had anything executable in my /dev folder |
| 13:34.13 | wols_ | madmuppet006: let me introduce you to the concept of "rhetorical questions" |
| 13:34.22 | N3T | How can I configure Internet via USB on Debian using only text mode? : |
| 13:34.30 | wols_ | madmuppet006: do something productive instead and check the quake3 error messages if any in the terminal |
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| 13:34.47 | wols_ | N3T: what USB network adapter? |
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| 13:35.30 | N3T | wols_: pice of shit from UPC... it's... Scientific Atlanta modem |
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| 13:35.46 | wols_ | N3T: that#s nice but utterly worthless as information. please try again |
| 13:36.05 | wols_ | N3T: start with minor things like the USB ID |
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| 13:37.33 | madmuppet006 | wols_:do you want me to cut and paste or just type in what I think you want to know? ..:p |
| 13:37.57 | N3T | wols_: " I am newbie and I dont know how to check it... |
| 13:38.07 | wols_ | N3T: you check it with lsusb |
| 13:38.11 | N3T | oh k |
| 13:38.15 | N3T | w8 a second |
| 13:39.08 | N3T | wols_: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 069a:4501 Askey Comp [modem name etc] |
| 13:39.32 | wols_ | N3T: I didn't ask for the USB ID of your webcam... |
| 13:39.45 | wols_ | hint: the modem needs to be plugged in to be seen by lsusb |
| 13:40.06 | N3T | wols_: why webcam? modem is plugged in, its info about modem |
| 13:40.34 | N3T | wols_: why webcam? modem is plugged in, its info about modem 2000 series Cable Modem |
| 13:41.43 | mattcen | It does appear to be a modem... Searching for that ID returns "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 069a:4501 Askey Computer Corp. Scientific-Atlanta WebSTAR 2000 series Cable Modem" from the Ubuntu forum... |
| 13:42.04 | wols_ | N3T: it doesn't look like there is a linux driver for it :( |
| 13:42.14 | wols_ | at least none I can find so far, sorry |
| 13:42.32 | wols_ | mattcen: seen any driver mentioned? |
| 13:42.36 | N3T | wols_: I have got Linux Mint on other partition and internet works on it very good |
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| 13:42.54 | N3T | but there I have got Gnome, not pure consoe |
| 13:43.06 | mattcen | wols_: No, it was extraneous lsusb output from a post on webcam installation |
| 13:43.10 | rdd | where can i find the bash info manual? doesn't seem to be in the bash{,-doc} packages... |
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| 13:44.10 | wols_ | rdd: bash-doc |
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| 13:44.25 | wols_ | N3T: then can you check what driver it uses under mint? |
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| 13:44.47 | wols_ | N3T: or maybe run "ifconfig -a" to check if there is any network interface |
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| 13:45.19 | N3T | "ifconfig -a" returns eth0, eth1 and lo. |
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| 13:45.58 | mattcen | N3T: It may be more useful if you pastebin the entire output? |
| 13:46.15 | mattcen | Or give us the MAC addresses (if any) listed for each interface |
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| 13:47.00 | N3T | eth0 - 00:1c:ea:7b:f7:b8, eth1 - --:11:09:5c:b1:58 |
| 13:47.11 | rdd | hmm, not here it semes.. `dpkg -L bash-doc | grep info` comes up empty. i'm on sid |
| 13:47.12 | N3T | eth0 - 00:1c:ea:7b:f7:b8, eth1 - 00:11:09:5c:b1:58 |
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| 13:49.58 | mattcen | That first one, eth0: |
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| 13:50.21 | mattcen | MAC address 001CEA Company Scientific-Atlanta, In |
| 13:50.24 | wols_ | rdd: bash-doc is a package |
| 13:50.26 | mattcen | Inc* |
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| 13:50.52 | mattcen | N3T: so it looks like it's detected it... |
| 13:51.18 | wols_ | N3T: dhclient eth0 (must run that as root) |
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| 13:51.39 | mattcen | wols_: I don't think the info manual is in bash-doc; I don't have that package installed (almost a fresh Lenny install today), and I have the info page |
| 13:51.54 | wols_ | ,info bash-doc |
| 13:51.55 | judd | bash-doc (doc, optional): Documentation and examples for the The GNU Bourne Again SHell. Version: 3.2-4; Size: 309.5k; Installed: 1092k |
| 13:51.55 | mattcen | I can't find where the file is though... |
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| 13:52.13 | wols_ | mattcen: dpkg -L bash |grep info should tell you |
| 13:52.20 | N3T | wols_: I wrote it |
| 13:53.04 | wols_ | N3T: if all went well, your eth0 should have an IP now |
| 13:53.11 | N3T | at end: No DHCPEFFERS received, No working leases in persistent database - sleeping |
| 13:53.16 | N3T | fail |
| 13:53.19 | mattcen | That lists /usr/share/info, but no file within it. |
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| 13:54.15 | rdd | my bash-doc package has pdf and html documentation and lots of example scripts, but no info manual |
| 13:55.14 | mattcen | Ah I see. 'info bash' returns the bash *manpage* by the looks of it... |
| 13:55.15 | wols_ | rdd: could the bash info manual be under FDL? |
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| 13:56.44 | N3T | wols_: at end: No DHCPEFFERS received, No working leases in persistent database - sleeping |
| 13:57.18 | Marsh4ll | liable can u take a look at my ps ax? |
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| 13:57.59 | mattcen | Does bash even *have* an info page? 'apt-file search bash | grep info' doesn't seem to return anything, but *does* return bashdb.info.gz. |
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| 13:59.47 | rdd | wols_: no idea, what's fdl? |
| 13:59.50 | Marsh4ll | brb |
| 14:00.00 | rdd | pretty sure there used to be one at least |
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| 14:00.12 | wols_ | !FDL |
| 14:00.12 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 14:01.52 | mattcen | The bash source has bashref.info, so I was wrong... |
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| 14:02.38 | Rebells | hi, i am not able to see battery applet in my tray bar, using debian lenny, any clues where it might be? |
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| 14:03.00 | Rebells | using KDE with debian |
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| 14:03.33 | mattcen | Rebells: I'm not a KDE user, but I suspect there'd be an applet somewhere for it. Right-click on the toolbar and see if you can add it? |
| 14:03.57 | Rebells | tried that, it ain't there... |
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| 14:04.02 | N3T | Rebells: KDE will signal low batterry by black screen |
| 14:04.05 | Rebells | been googling all over without any luck too |
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| 14:04.41 | Rebells | i used to have gentoo before, in that i was able to configure battery applet using control centre |
| 14:05.17 | N3T | Rebells: tried google with "KDE battery applet"? |
| 14:05.28 | Rebells | N3T: Yep |
| 14:06.29 | mattcen | I'm stumped on the bash info page. When the source is compiled and 'make install'ed, it creates /usr/share/info/bash.info... perhaps it was just left out of Debian, but I think that'd be a severe oversight... |
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| 14:07.43 | mattcen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.47 | mattcen | Wonder if that's it. |
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| 14:12.40 | mattcen | Oh dear. It's gotten early on me. Think bed is in order. If anybody has any ideas on my OpenLDAP SSL issue, plese send them my way. G'night all |
| 14:12.48 | mattcen | s/plese/please |
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| 14:18.02 | rdd | it's a license issue apparently, see bug 491030, thanks wols_ and mattcen |
| 14:19.20 | Marsh4ll | is anyone firmiliar with another linux OS? |
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| 14:19.49 | yowlst | hi, if i attach 2 server with sas external controller and serverA has multiple disk as raid1, can serverB access to serverA and see md0, md1 etc.. ? |
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| 14:21.39 | Andy-at-home | guys, whats the easiest way to set a static ip address for the network from command line? |
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| 14:21.50 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: man interfaces |
| 14:21.57 | simonrvn | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:22.34 | wols_ | yowlst: why would you want that? |
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| 14:22.55 | yowlst | wols_, altenative to fiberchannel |
| 14:23.06 | yowlst | wols_, scalability |
| 14:23.25 | wols_ | yowlst: you do know about things like nfs and samba, right? |
| 14:24.13 | yowlst | wols_, its not the question |
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| 14:28.36 | yowlst | wols_, i want have direct access machine-to-machine |
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| 14:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | yowlst: Unfortunately, that's an SAS question, not a Debian specific question. There won't be a lot of people here with specific knowledge. |
| 14:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | yowlst: I'd look for help from the provider of the SAS system. |
| 14:42.02 | yowlst | jhutchins, np thanks :) |
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| 14:43.17 | Rebells | mattcen: that was not it :( |
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| 14:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | yowlst: The challenge would be a locking scheme provided by the SAS software. It _should_ be possible. |
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| 14:45.11 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: doesn't answer the question: why :P |
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| 15:02.53 | dominicus | Does anyone have any advice on how to resolve a problem when upgrading from lenny to squeeze: "dpkg: error processing udev_154-1_i386.deb (--install): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 15:04.02 | Andy-at-home | ive just moved a virtual machine from vmware to vbox and the grub loader is using sda1 instead of hda1, where can i change that? |
| 15:04.15 | Andy-at-home | when i change it at the grub boot menu in doesnt save it |
| 15:04.38 | tbsaunde | dominicus: install a newer kernel read the error message |
| 15:05.28 | tbsaunde | Andy-at-home: /boot/grub/menu.lst with grub 1 |
| 15:05.54 | tbsaunde | Andy-at-home: its some where else for grub2 not quiet sure were though |
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| 15:07.41 | Andy-at-home | tbsaunde, thanks mate, just changing grub 1 worked |
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| 15:08.27 | tbsaunde | Andy-at-home: np |
| 15:09.55 | ScottG | I'm getting a lot of graphical garbage |
| 15:10.20 | Gril | which chanell it's gspca_main and gspca_ov51 which it's number or name for it |
| 15:10.22 | Gril | yea |
| 15:10.22 | Gril | ! |
| 15:10.22 | ScottG | Like stuff sticks around in some windows and I need to refresh that area in some way to fix it |
| 15:10.29 | Gril | go ahead |
| 15:10.38 | Gril | i'l cache up |
| 15:10.41 | Gril | :-) |
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| 15:11.59 | gluon | does anyone know why aptitude remove/purge package immediately following an install doesn't remove all unused deps sometimes? keep-recommends and keep-suggests are set to their default false value |
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| 15:13.14 | themill | gluon: if some other package recommends one of those deps that you've already got installed then it will think they're still wanted. I don't know how aptitude goes with circular dep chains either. |
| 15:14.00 | Appetite | is there a way to embed a program within another program, so you run the outer program, which feeds a compiled program to be executed? |
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| 15:14.38 | gluon | themill: even with keep-recommends set to false? |
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| 15:16.55 | tbsaunde | Appetite: what do you mean? a shell script? |
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| 15:17.26 | dominicus | tbsaunde: It Lenny's aptitude won't let me install a newer kernel, it keeps erroring out with an issue of not having udev at the latest version. |
| 15:17.30 | Appetite | tbsaunde: well no i'd prefer a compiled program. like i base64 a raw executable, store it in my own executable, then when my executable is run, it feeds the base64 string (obviously decode first) |
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| 15:18.16 | monkey_d_luffy | Is there a way to read/edit (maybe some disk editor) a particular location of the disk from a inode number? |
| 15:18.26 | dominicus | tbsaunde: and the udev install notice stuff says I could force something, but it also says that there's always a safer way to do it, and i'm not sure if I'll be able to get the newer kernel install after I force the udev, assuming it even works. |
| 15:19.04 | tbsaunde | Appetite: so exec the second program? |
| 15:19.20 | Appetite | yes tbsaunde |
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| 15:19.44 | themill | dominicus: the safer way was to install the new kernel first. Can you pastebin the output of your aptitude run to install a newer kernel? |
| 15:19.51 | themill | gluon: no idea... |
| 15:19.53 | tbsaunde | dominicus: you should be able to, I've never done it that way |
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| 15:20.31 | tbsaunde | dominicus: I think you have to choices 1 try to force the kernel to install then reboot and install udev or you can upgrade udev then try to install newer kernel and reboot |
| 15:20.39 | Appetite | tbsaunde: when the "housing" program is run, i want the embedded one to run |
| 15:21.41 | tbsaunde | Appetite: I assume your are writting the outer program? what are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:21.55 | Appetite | tbsaunde: hiding the inner program is all i am trying to achieve |
| 15:22.18 | tbsaunde | Appetite: hiding from who? |
| 15:22.31 | Appetite | tbsaunde: i'm trying to hide the inner executable. |
| 15:23.11 | tbsaunde | Appetite: why and who do you want to hid it from, if some objdumps your outer own it'll still be there |
| 15:23.29 | Appetite | tbsaunde: is it possible to hide it without it being known it is there...? |
| 15:24.01 | d1b | Appetite: ps -ef says sort of no |
| 15:24.05 | d1b | not sure what you want |
| 15:24.18 | Appetite | d1b: i'm trying to mask an executable by putting it inside another one |
| 15:24.41 | tbsaunde | Appetite: I gues you could do something like encrypt the inner program and embed it as a string in the outer program then as you run decrypt and write it out to a file which you exec and then delete, but it seems silly and ugly to me |
| 15:25.01 | Appetite | tbsaunde: that is what i was wonderin, but how how to do i execute the string once it's decrypted? |
| 15:25.11 | Appetite | besides writing to a temp file |
| 15:25.12 | d1b | Appetite: ... |
| 15:25.15 | Appetite | because the defeats the purpose |
| 15:25.17 | tbsaunde | Appetite: I'd just write it out to a file |
| 15:25.17 | d1b | and this is because? |
| 15:25.38 | d1b | Appetite: why are you doing this? |
| 15:25.49 | Appetite | d1b: because i'm trying to see if it will work |
| 15:25.53 | tbsaunde | Appetite: permissions on the file aren't good enough for you" |
| 15:26.29 | tbsaunde | s/"/?/ |
| 15:26.59 | Appetite | tbsaunde: i'd prefer to have no byproduct of running the outer program. i'd prefer it to all be internal without file creation, even if it is deleted right after. |
| 15:27.43 | tbsaunde | Appetite: not as a seperate executable, but you can certainly have a piece of code you decrypt then jump to, with a function pointer |
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| 15:29.36 | Appetite | tbsaunde: could you explain that a bit more please? |
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| 15:29.49 | tbsaunde | Appetite: but whoever has the executable will hace the code to decrypt the encrypted code so what is the point? |
| 15:30.32 | Appetite | tbsaunde: the key to decrypt wouldn't be in the main executable.. |
| 15:30.59 | tbsaunde | Appetite: you have a encrypted string that is your code you decrypt it now you have the unencrypted code as a string, you cast that to a function pointer and call the function pointed to by the function pointer. |
| 15:31.22 | tbsaunde | Appetite: then where would it be |
| 15:31.37 | Appetite | tbsaunde: it would either be read as an argument, or something, but that isn't my point atm. |
| 15:32.01 | Appetite | tbsaunde: when i cast it and call it, would i ahve to call the main() of the executable, or what? |
| 15:32.11 | Appetite | i'm a bit confused atm. |
| 15:33.15 | tbsaunde | Appetite: yes, you'd need to call main, or just have an encrypted function instead of a whole executable, the function could call functions if wanted to though |
| 15:33.55 | Appetite | tbsaunde: the embedded one is an entire executable, not just a function, so i just decrypt the string, cast to function pointer, then call it? |
| 15:34.08 | tbsaunde | Appetite: there is nothing special about int main() other than the fact that normally it is loaded specailly |
| 15:34.11 | qq- | anyways all this is offtopic here |
| 15:34.25 | tbsaunde | qq-: true, sorry |
| 15:34.38 | tbsaunde | Appetite: ##C is the place to ask |
| 15:34.49 | Appetite | thanks ttb |
| 15:34.51 | Appetite | tbsaunde: ^& |
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| 15:35.21 | barraponto | how do i install google chrome (or chromium) on debian squeeze? |
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| 15:38.56 | ansgar | barraponto: chromium-browser is available in sid. |
| 15:39.28 | Marsh4ll | can someone write me a simple bash script to repeat a command every few secs |
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| 15:40.03 | barraponto | ansgar: can i just download the .deb or are there any dependencies squeeze can't provide. |
| 15:40.11 | barraponto | ansgar: i'll check, thanls |
| 15:40.57 | themill | Marsh4ll: "man watch" |
| 15:41.50 | barraponto | i guess i need some help with pinning... |
| 15:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,v chromium-browser |
| 15:42.37 | tharkun | themill: that was short and fast |
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| 15:44.21 | Marsh4ll | watch is all tcl commands? |
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| 15:47.39 | craigevil | barraponto: Chromium should install just fine in testing using the sid packages, or you can use the Google repo if you want Chrome |
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| 15:50.43 | barraponto | craigevil: rather go with chromium, but what are those repos you say? |
| 15:50.47 | albertz | hi. how can i check why a package was installed? (i.e. what other packages needed it) |
| 15:51.10 | jpinx-eeepc | albertz: aptitude has a why option |
| 15:51.34 | craigevil | barraponto: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html |
| 15:51.42 | albertz | jpinx-eeepc: that also works for already installed packages? for example i just got abiword installed |
| 15:51.43 | albertz | i'll check |
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| 15:52.49 | barraponto | craigevil: thanks a lot |
| 15:53.20 | albertz | hm it seems it was only recommended not really needed but still installed (at least aptitude only list one single package which recommended abiword) |
| 15:53.48 | craigevil | barraponto: if there is anything else you are looking for take a look at , http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ |
| 15:54.14 | barraponto | craigevil: honeypot |
| 15:54.34 | craigevil | albertz: the default in aptitude is to install recommends |
| 15:54.45 | albertz | i have just done: apt-get install x |
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| 15:56.28 | jpinx-eeepc | albertz: use aptitude, but read man aptitude first :) |
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| 15:56.58 | albertz | well i just removed abiword again and nothing seems to complain, so doesnt really matter :) |
| 15:57.01 | craigevil | albertz: if you do not want recommends either use --no-install-recommends or edit apt.conf and add APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 15:57.06 | albertz | still wonder why apt-get install has installed it |
| 15:57.17 | albertz | i thought it would not install recommendations by default |
| 15:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | albertz: use aptitude . not apt-get |
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| 15:58.00 | jpinx-eeepc | albertz: and read the man pages - everything you have asked is answered in there in clear terms |
| 15:58.26 | albertz | what are the advantages over apt-get when using aptitude? apt-get is deprecated? |
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| 15:58.58 | valdyn | !why aptitude |
| 15:58.58 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 15:59.02 | valdyn | !why not aptitude |
| 15:59.02 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 15:59.12 | albertz | ah thanks :) |
| 15:59.57 | albertz | ah i always thought aptitude is an additional layer around apt-get |
| 16:00.02 | albertz | it was recoded from scratch? |
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| 16:01.38 | albertz | ok, other question: python-reportlab-accel is not available anymore in lenny. why? where can i find those information (why it was removed etc) in general? |
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| 16:04.23 | jpinx-eeepc | albertz: iirc there is a syntax to ask the dpkg bot such things - but buggered if I can remember it |
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| 16:06.12 | d1b | morning does anyone here use squeeze with luks? |
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| 16:07.02 | craigevil | why is python-reportlab-accel not in lenny |
| 16:07.31 | d1b | judd: python-reportlab-accel |
| 16:07.36 | d1b | versions python-reportlab-accel |
| 16:07.44 | d1b | judd: versions python-reportlab-accel |
| 16:07.46 | judd | python-reportlab-accel -- etch: 0.57-20060703-1; sid: 2.4-1; squeeze: 2.4-1 |
| 16:08.13 | d1b | looks like a mighty version jump. might not have had the quality at the time .. |
| 16:08.24 | craigevil | crap its why something :( |
| 16:08.42 | themill | the bot can only tell you about testing removals. lenny isn't testing |
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| 16:09.38 | craigevil | ah thought it was something like that |
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| 16:13.49 | Andy-at-home | guys, my debian virtual machine using NAT is using an ip address in the 10.x.x.x range but i would like to change it to 192.x.x.x |
| 16:13.52 | Andy-at-home | how can i go about that? |
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| 16:16.31 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: not a debian question. it's a question about your VM solution. ask them |
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| 16:16.57 | Andy-at-home | tried that, i need to override the vm setting inside debian |
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| 16:17.26 | wols_ | your debian uses dhcp. there is nothing to override inside. if you use a random IP you simply lose connection |
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| 16:17.36 | Andy-at-home | ok |
| 16:18.53 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: why do you need another subnet? |
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| 16:19.41 | Andy-at-home | a lot of the software on it requires a specific static ip address |
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| 16:20.02 | Andy-at-home | a 192.x.x.x instead of the 10.x.x.x |
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| 16:20.14 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: software like what? |
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| 16:20.32 | d1b | Andy-at-home: ifconfig eth0:1 192.x.x.x |
| 16:21.19 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: software doesn't care what IP is used. at most your config is wrong |
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| 16:25.30 | Andy-at-home | ifconfig eth0:1 192.x.x.x didnt appear to do anything |
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| 16:25.44 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: what is your REAL problem? |
| 16:26.12 | Andy-at-home | i need my debian to use the ip 192.168.150.133 |
| 16:26.27 | Andy-at-home | but dhcp will only give it 10.x.x.x |
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| 16:26.58 | wols_ | WHY do you need this exact IP? |
| 16:27.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !why |
| 16:27.17 | dpkg | Because! |
| 16:27.50 | thrashold | I don't understand this dpkg response |
| 16:28.07 | Andy-at-home | some of the software only works with a fixed ip |
| 16:28.15 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: WHICH software exactly? |
| 16:28.19 | Andy-at-home | open meetings |
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| 16:28.37 | Andy-at-home | red5 server - open meetings - moodle |
| 16:28.47 | Andy-at-home | all linked together with a fixed ip |
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| 16:29.34 | wols_ | Andy-at-home: you know this is not true. but your choice. have a nice day |
| 16:29.48 | Andy-at-home | lol |
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| 16:31.01 | jhutchins_lt | Andy-at-home: Seriously, I know of no software that depends on a certan class of IP address, but if you want to change it, change the DHCP server's config. |
| 16:31.58 | Andy-at-home | how can i change the dhcp server config? |
| 16:32.17 | wols_ | no one here knows cause it's not debian |
| 16:32.27 | beefcube | i'm trying to synchronize the time of a VM running debian squeeze, to the host running the same, when using the command: ntpdate -ud vmhost I get the following error:192.168.1.2: Server dropped: strata too high, how do I solve this? The server is synchronized correctly with its timeserver as checked by ntpq -p |
| 16:32.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Andy-at-home: #networking |
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| 16:35.49 | infid | if two public keys added to the same authorized_keys file have the same password, would that cause ssh to reject one of the keys with the error 'agent admitted failture to sign using the key. permission denied (publickey)'? |
| 16:35.55 | thrashold | Andy-at-home: Is this 192.168.150.* a network you're currently using? |
| 16:36.11 | Bushmills | infid: nope |
| 16:36.24 | thrashold | Andy-at-home: And do the machines from that network need to be connected to the same networking apps? |
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| 16:36.49 | infid | Bushmills: any idea what would cause that error, i cant figure it out |
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| 16:37.59 | Bushmills | nope, i'd have to google for the exact error message. but so could you :) |
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| 16:40.41 | infid | been trying |
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| 16:41.14 | Bushmills | beefcube: ntpdate -q server shows server stratum. what is it? |
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| 16:44.28 | infid | finally figured it out, it's because i generated a new keypair but needed to 'ssh-add' it |
| 16:44.37 | infid | since my old key was still the only thing in the ssh-agent |
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| 16:51.12 | Dr-Shadow | Hi ! |
| 16:51.28 | Dr-Shadow | I need some help |
| 16:51.32 | d1b | hi |
| 16:51.37 | Dr-Shadow | I'm french and my english is not very good ^-^ |
| 16:51.46 | d1b | ok... |
| 16:51.50 | Dr-Shadow | So, I've installed icecast2 + MPD under debian lenny |
| 16:52.13 | Dr-Shadow | It runs but I dont know why MPD dont give to icecast2 the metadata (metadata from ogg) |
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| 16:54.30 | tharkun | I am about to go shopping for a server, where can i get some tips on the minute details i must look for? |
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| 16:55.27 | Dr-Shadow | server for ? |
| 16:55.33 | Dr-Shadow | Hosting a website ? |
| 16:55.33 | wols_ | !fr |
| 16:55.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:56.01 | Dr-Shadow | wols_ , why !fr ? :) |
| 16:56.13 | wols_ | < Dr-Shadow> I'm french and my english is not very good ^-^ |
| 16:56.24 | Dr-Shadow | But i can speak english |
| 16:56.28 | Dr-Shadow | So I come here |
| 16:56.31 | Dr-Shadow | ^-^ |
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| 16:57.47 | tharkun | Dr-Shadow: network backbone, mail server, printing server and whatever breaks down will be hosted there |
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| 16:57.51 | billenium | hey, i accidently deleted libstc++.so.6... What do i do? |
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| 16:58.03 | ham5 | install it? |
| 16:58.10 | Dr-Shadow | oooooh ! :D |
| 16:58.14 | zebradog_ | billenium, thats not debian question.. |
| 16:58.24 | zebradog_ | billenium, unpack the deb file and copy it ? |
| 16:58.34 | billenium | ok |
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| 17:14.52 | bittin | Hello, i was trying to Update my Grand Paretns Kubuntu, system but Kpackagekit failed when it was 22minutes left of installing packages and i rebooted the computer, to see what happend and now i got a broken Kubuntu system, is there anyway to let it continue the update, or check what packages its missing? |
| 17:15.40 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 17:15.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:16.02 | d1b | you really are better off asking the ubuntu guys. |
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| 17:16.24 | d1b | bittin: it shouldn't be a problem tho |
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| 17:19.32 | SauLus | how can I convert a pdf to eps with a _good_ resolution? |
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| 17:20.39 | barmagnet | I tried downloading Skype for Debian from here: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ but dpkg -i complains that : package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 17:20.41 | barmagnet | what should I do? |
| 17:20.58 | zebradog | barmagnet, try installing it with -force.. |
| 17:21.12 | zebradog | something like that |
| 17:21.18 | simonrvn | no, don't. use the amd64 one if there is any. |
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| 17:21.23 | zebradog | (also be sure ia32libs are installed as well) |
| 17:21.34 | simonrvn | if not, make an i386 chroot |
| 17:21.40 | jmd | How is one supposed to use debian's -dbg packages? |
| 17:21.42 | jmd | (and why isn't this information documented?) |
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| 17:22.08 | barmagnet | simonrvn, are there any instructions to make i386 chroot? I am new to this stuff. |
| 17:22.18 | wols_ | jmd: you learn how to use gdb |
| 17:22.30 | zebradog | simonrvn, i noticed theres one but for ubuntux64.. |
| 17:22.31 | cahoot | SauLus: like this? http://www.iml.ece.mcgill.ca/~stephan/oopdf2eps |
| 17:22.35 | jmd | wols_, I know how to use gdb. |
| 17:22.44 | zebradog | barmagnet, you may be able to use the ubuntux64.. |
| 17:22.54 | barmagnet | ok, let me try that |
| 17:23.02 | simonrvn | he could try to install it see if it doesn't break anything ;p |
| 17:23.26 | barmagnet | under what circumstances would it break anything? |
| 17:23.32 | NotLim | hi there. I need some help: I'm running debian lenny, and i have a raid5, when i do fdisk -l /dev/md0 there is a md0p1 partition, but... there is not in /proc/partitions ... how can i force debian to "detect" it? thanks |
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| 17:24.17 | simonrvn | i was thinking dependencies |
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| 17:24.25 | toolbear | hello. what does a "diversion" do in the dpkg system? |
| 17:24.40 | beefcube | Bushmills: sorry, lost connect |
| 17:24.52 | barmagnet | what is a "diversion" in debian? |
| 17:24.59 | SauLus | cahoot: no, the result is ugly |
| 17:25.05 | SauLus | the sampling rate is far too low |
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| 17:25.51 | bittin | http://bittin.linuxuser.se/fel.txt |
| 17:26.09 | toolbear | barmagnet: not sure, that's what i'm asking. but you can do things with them with dpkg-divert |
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| 17:26.20 | Bushmills | barmagnet: technically, a symlink. conceptionally, s switch |
| 17:27.32 | toolbear | Bushmills: it's literally a symlink? |
| 17:28.06 | Bushmills | toolbear: sorry, no. i suffered from a conceptional befuddlement |
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| 17:30.38 | NotLim | someone knows something about the mdadm problem in lenny? thanks :D |
| 17:31.03 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 17:31.03 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 17:31.08 | simonrvn | NotLim: ^^^ |
| 17:31.17 | NotLim | okay |
| 17:31.23 | NotLim | how can i find it? :D |
| 17:31.35 | simonrvn | read that ^^^ |
| 17:32.42 | NotLim | yes |
| 17:32.44 | NotLim | i'm in |
| 17:32.54 | NotLim | but, i don't see my problem |
| 17:32.55 | NotLim | :D |
| 17:32.58 | toolbear | Bushmills: oh, ok. i read some of the man page, and i'm to understand that it installs a file to a 'diverted' location instead of some 'default' location. i don't really know how deb packages work, but i guess i have to infer that a package contains a list of all the default locations for the files contained within the package. now, why would you use dpkg-divert instead of just installing the package and moving the files around yourself later (which seem |
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| 17:34.10 | wols_ | toolbear: if you do the moving around yourself, dpkg doesn't know where the files actually are and then it can't uninstall the package. |
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| 17:35.11 | toolbear | wols_: oh...that makes sense. thanks! |
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| 17:38.27 | jmd | !dbg |
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| 17:39.29 | action09 | oy |
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| 17:40.04 | simonrvn | jmd: -dbg packages are for debugging. like with gdb. |
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| 17:40.24 | jmd | I know that. What use is a dbg package when it doesn't contain contain the source. |
| 17:41.43 | jmd | gdb will just tell you /xxxx.c: No such file or directory. |
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| 17:41.56 | piklu_ | hello guys |
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| 17:42.03 | piklu_ | am facing difficulty |
| 17:42.10 | simonrvn | tracing... breakpoints and that sort of thing. you can't do tracing with uncompiled source. memory traces, etc. |
| 17:42.16 | piklu_ | I am not able to fix my network configurations for XEN |
| 17:42.23 | piklu_ | can anybody help ? |
| 17:42.38 | jmd | Furthermore, the dbg packages seem to assume that the source is installed in / which of course can't be done without privileged access. |
| 17:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | piklu_: #xen? |
| 17:43.02 | NotLim | hi there. Someone knows why, squeeze detects my md0p1 partition, but lenny doesn't? i need to access that partition! thanks! |
| 17:43.11 | piklu_ | jhutchins_lt: no body replying from an hour |
| 17:43.15 | jmd | It looks to me like it's intended to make use of some kind of chroot jail. But this isn't explained anywhere. |
| 17:44.30 | xoz | NotLim: what debian version created that partition? |
| 17:45.32 | wols_ | simonrvn: I can't? so my 386 DR1 to DR4 are a figment of my imagination? |
| 17:45.49 | simonrvn | who what? |
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| 17:46.13 | wols_ | tracing. breakpoints and the like. that works with _any_ binary |
| 17:46.19 | wols_ | nothing special needed |
| 17:46.38 | NotLim | xoz squeeze |
| 17:46.43 | NotLim | but |
| 17:46.49 | NotLim | i think it's the same, no? |
| 17:47.00 | NotLim | fdisk is the same for both |
| 17:47.55 | wols_ | NotLim: the versions aren't (of fdisk and the other stuff) |
| 17:48.46 | ScottG | Does anyone know a good command line program for sending sms messages? |
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| 17:49.25 | NotLim | wols_ ok, i'll check |
| 17:49.27 | NotLim | thanks |
| 17:49.28 | NotLim | :D |
| 17:50.02 | petemc | ScottG: depending on what interface your provider has it can generally be easy to use perl or python to send messages, most often you're just submitting xml so you could even use curl and bash |
| 17:50.05 | wols_ | NotLim: could be a new mdadm version and configuration version or such |
| 17:50.10 | NotLim | ok |
| 17:50.15 | simonrvn | wols_: of course not, but the -dpg sutff makes it easier. you don't have to recompile |
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| 17:50.21 | NotLim | i think i'll create the partition in md0 |
| 17:50.22 | wols_ | ScottG: most times you can send the SMS to a mail address |
| 17:50.24 | NotLim | instead md0p1 |
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| 17:50.29 | simonrvn | -dbg stuff* |
| 17:50.48 | petemc | wols_: sms to a mail address? |
| 17:50.54 | wols_ | sure, why not? |
| 17:51.02 | petemc | i dont see the connection |
| 17:51.22 | wols_ | petemc: http://www.mutube.com/projects/open-email-to-sms/gateway-list/ |
| 17:52.04 | petemc | new to me, cool |
| 17:52.06 | ScottG | wols_: petemc: I could swear I have seen cli packages before that made it wicked easy |
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| 17:52.42 | ScottG | Here we go: smsclient - A program for sending short messages (SM / SMS) |
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| 17:54.11 | wols_ | ScottG: and what actual transportmedium does said smsclient thingie use? |
| 17:54.54 | ScottG | wols_: Not sure. Just installed it and reading man pages now |
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| 18:01.41 | petemc | awaits his email to sms tests to arrive |
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| 18:06.53 | msm_ | I am on board ethernet and on debian lenny I have problem with unplugged cable. ifplugd is not quite resolving. In fact the system hangs if I unplug the cable. Also if cable is unplugged during boot its not configured at all and ifup etc. are not good. |
| 18:07.37 | gps23 | i installed gnome-core, and then installed gtk2-engines, but still i am not able to use Clearlooks theme under theme tab in Appearance Preferences |
| 18:07.47 | msm_ | I mean I have on board ethernet |
| 18:08.01 | gps23 | also copied themes from /usr/share/themes/ to ~/.themes |
| 18:09.20 | ScottG | wols_: It's actually looking like this program wants a modem of some sorts. Getting a lot of errors when I try to send a message |
| 18:10.00 | tharkun | I Debian capable of booting on hardware raid? |
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| 18:11.21 | msm_ | I am trying to find solution to requirement of plugged cable on boot for on board ethernet. i installed ifplugd but on unplugging it stalls machine and requires hardware restart. |
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| 18:12.32 | tharkun | Is Debian capable of booting on a hardware raid? Is it worth the extra cost? |
| 18:13.40 | zebradog | tharkun, i dont use that setup, but i betcha it can.. and it must be worth the extra cost.. hardware raid should always be faster than software raid |
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| 18:14.38 | petemc | theres lots of variation in hardware raid, software raid is often better |
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| 18:15.06 | petemc | tharkun: it depends on the hardware, if its supported by linux it should work with debian |
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| 18:15.25 | tharkun | petemc: How can i find out if it is supported by linux? |
| 18:15.31 | petemc | google |
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| 18:15.51 | tharkun | there is no site like the one for win modems? |
| 18:15.52 | tbsaunde | msm_: what driver? you should be able to bring it up manually |
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| 18:16.08 | msm_ | tbsaunde: sky2 |
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| 18:17.20 | msm_ | tbsaunde: the interface boots up fine with cable plugged in....I assume with ifplugd installed I should be able to unplug and plug it again... |
| 18:17.25 | tbsaunde | msm_: ok, never heard of that one so no advice on the unpluging other than to make sure you take the interface down first, the atheros card in my netbook has the same issue |
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| 18:18.03 | msm_ | tbsaunde: actually the machine hangs and then I have to restart |
| 18:18.06 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: is it configured to allow hotplugging? |
| 18:18.13 | tbsaunde | msm_: yes that should be fine |
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| 18:18.44 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: actually with ifplugd I removed the allow-hotplug line from interfaces file ....as I read on net... |
| 18:18.45 | tbsaunde | msm_: if unpluging results in hangs that sounds to me like a kernel issue |
| 18:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: I just have allow-hotplug and it works fine. Intel 82801. |
| 18:19.25 | tbsaunde | msm_: then you'll have to bring it up manuelly if it isn't pluged in at boot |
| 18:19.27 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: actually with allow-hotplug also it was hanging...so I tried to remove it and see... |
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| 18:19.56 | msm_ | tbsaunde: manually dhcp how ? |
| 18:19.58 | tbsaunde | msm_: what kerenl are you using consider using a newer one |
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| 18:20.14 | msm_ | tbsaunde: its latest stable one... |
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| 18:20.30 | msm_ | tbsaude: I mean stable debian version lenny |
| 18:20.43 | Dima202 | How can I give user access to /sbin |
| 18:20.54 | tbsaunde | msm_: dhcp by ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0 |
| 18:21.18 | petemc | Dima202: change the PATH variable |
| 18:21.20 | msm_ | tbsaunde: let me try... |
| 18:21.22 | tbsaunde | msm_: enable backports, and try a 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 18:21.27 | Dima202 | petemc: where? |
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| 18:22.59 | tbsaunde | Dima202: in the users shell, or in one of there start up files world wide then /etc/profile |
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| 18:23.53 | petemc | wols_: mails to mymobilenum@myprovider bounce back :( no email to sms for me |
| 18:24.05 | petemc | not that id use it anyway.. |
| 18:24.35 | tharkun | !moo |
| 18:24.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 18:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: My provider had to change the domain for the mailserver. |
| 18:24.56 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: can you elaborate? |
| 18:25.02 | msm_ | how to confirm whether its dhcpd or dhclient used for dhcp ? |
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| 18:25.10 | gps23 | someone please help me make clearlooks theme work |
| 18:25.13 | Dima202 | tbsaunde: ok, I am in /etc/profile |
| 18:25.17 | petemc | msm_: dhcpd is the daemon |
| 18:25.19 | jhutchins_lt | went from virginmobileusa.com to vmobil.com to vmobl.com |
| 18:25.31 | petemc | oh |
| 18:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Just sayin', check to see if they have a different domain for mail-to-sms. |
| 18:26.21 | jhutchins_lt | Carriers are starting to move that service to data packages though, so you might not have it if you have voice-only. |
| 18:26.36 | petemc | aye just checked there and they dont offer the service now, tho it seems they did at one point |
| 18:26.40 | petemc | (vodafone uk) |
| 18:26.47 | tbsaunde | msm_: you need to run a dhcp client any dhclient dhcpcd or any of the others shouldn't matter |
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| 18:27.07 | visof | hello |
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| 18:27.26 | visof | my laptop has sim card slot how can i investigate that ? |
| 18:27.40 | tbsaunde | Dima202: add export PATH="$PATH:/some/new/place" |
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| 18:28.06 | gps23 | clearlooks worked, needed to install gnome-themes package instead of gtk2-themes |
| 18:28.20 | tbsaunde | Dima202: why do you want to do this? those are adminastrative binaries, there might be a security issue, but I don't think so. |
| 18:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | visof: Look through dmesg | less and see if it's detected. |
| 18:28.23 | gps23 | gtk2-engines* |
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| 18:31.11 | tharkun | petemc: Shouldn't be hw raid transparent to linux? |
| 18:31.17 | petemc | yes |
| 18:31.28 | Sia- | i've enabled mod_rewrite with "lighty-enable-mod mod-rewrite" but does't work or is not enabled but the same line can work for fastcgi or cgi mod? |
| 18:31.29 | tharkun | Then why are the controllers needed? |
| 18:31.36 | Dima202 | because I want to be able to use ifconfig, iwconfig, etc.. without having to go through sudo |
| 18:32.12 | visof | jhutchins_lt, i can't find it is there specific name for it ? |
| 18:32.14 | msm_ | tbsaunde: yep those commands work...I guess its just now that need to find why it hangs...thanks... |
| 18:32.18 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Because the controller pressents itself as a single storage device. Otherwise the software would have to assemble the raid. |
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| 18:32.36 | tharkun | Dima202: if you are setting things up you will have to sudo, if you want to consult use ip |
| 18:32.37 | jhutchins_lt | visof: I can't guess what hardware you have. Try looking for the reader with lshw. |
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| 18:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: If you have a "raid controller" but linux still sees individual drives, it's "fakeraid" or not really hardware raid. |
| 18:33.52 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Ok, I am lost, where can i read more about hardware raid and linux. It seems the knowledge i have of it is obsolete |
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| 18:34.38 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: fakeraid meaning raid0 |
| 18:35.01 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: No, fake meaning it's not really hardware raid, it's just ain IO controller. |
| 18:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | s/ain/an |
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| 18:35.44 | visof | jhutchins_lt, description: CardBus bridge |
| 18:35.44 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.49 | visof | that ? |
| 18:36.10 | jhutchins_lt | visof: I don't think so. |
| 18:36.29 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thx, but wouldn't it be ilegal to sell a card with that name on a server without an OS |
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| 18:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I don't see why. "a controller you can do raid on" could be sold as a "raid controller". (Dunno what an OS has to do with it.) |
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| 18:37.28 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Needing a driver for a RAID card is not the same as needing RAID software. In the windows world they can get shady about it. |
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| 18:37.57 | tharkun | ohh i see your point now |
| 18:38.01 | jhutchins_lt | visof: CardBus bridge is a part of the standard architecture. |
| 18:38.20 | visof | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/RJFafxRM |
| 18:38.26 | visof | please check that |
| 18:38.37 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: see "!fakeraid" |
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| 18:39.12 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: and my controller isn't marketed as raid controller by intel but I can clearly do raid on it. now what? |
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| 18:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | visof: Yeah, that's pretty dense to wade through, try lshw or lspci. |
| 18:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Yeah, that's what I meant. |
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| 18:41.48 | visof | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/hb51verX |
| 18:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: I've seen fakeraid used both for stripe-only and for hardware that pretends to be raid but isn't. |
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| 18:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | visof: I don't see it there, which probably means it needs a driver it's not finding. You'll need to figure out what it is, probably google your laptop model, then track down the reader chipset and what drivers it needs in linux. |
| 18:43.31 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Seen the term used that way I mean. |
| 18:44.01 | tharkun | What is the 32 bit kernel ram limit? |
| 18:44.07 | visof | jhutchins_lt, model i Dell latitude D620 i'll try |
| 18:44.27 | wols_ | tharkun: 64GB like all PAE |
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| 18:45.02 | tharkun | wols_: isn't the bigmem kernel patch required for 32 bits? |
| 18:45.14 | ofauchon | Hi... Debian 5.0.4 installer can't detect because of missing PCI IDS... What should I do ? |
| 18:45.32 | ofauchon | can't detect network interface |
| 18:45.57 | ofauchon | Are there more recent installers ? |
| 18:46.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ofauchon about kmuto |
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| 18:47.40 | wols_ | tharkun: PAE is a standard i386 kernel feature. what "patch"? |
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| 18:47.52 | ofauchon | jhutchins, thx ! |
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| 18:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: It's included by default in most distros so they don't end up with twenty-leven kernels. |
| 18:48.29 | visof | jhutchins_lt, i found that but for windows: http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NETWORK-CARD/OTHER-NETWORK-CARDS/Dell-Latitude-D620-Wireless-5505-Vodafone-Mobile-Broadband-3G-HSDPA-MiniCard-Driver-A00.shtml |
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| 18:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | visof: So it's a cellular modem, not a data card reader? |
| 18:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | visof: Need to track down drivers for that adapter in linux then. |
| 18:50.05 | visof | jhutchins_lt, it's a slot for sim card close to the battary in my laptop |
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| 18:50.41 | wols_ | visof: what's the USB ID or PCI ID |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | visof: Ok, a sim card is just data storage. If it stores info that enables a cell phone-type connection, you need to find the drivers for the cellular modem. |
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| 18:51.18 | jhutchins_lt | visof: A "mini-card" is just an internal device. |
| 18:51.19 | visof | wols_ i don't know |
| 18:51.38 | visof | jhutchins_lt how can i use that sim card in ? |
| 18:51.58 | visof | what if i put a sim card "i actually putted on" |
| 18:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | visof: You need to figure out what the hardware is meant to do. |
| 18:52.03 | visof | nothing occur |
| 18:52.06 | wols_ | the way he's trying to tell you for several minutes now. ca't read? |
| 18:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | visof: They can be both for memory/storage or cell activation. |
| 18:52.33 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: using a SIM card for data storage is a bit brain dead, no? |
| 18:52.49 | wols_ | sure it has 64kB or so for SMS and phone numbers, but... |
| 18:53.12 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Nah, a lot of "smartphones" use 'em to expand their storage, they let you put apps, music, video, pics, etc. on 'em. |
| 18:53.28 | visof | wols_ jhutchins_lt http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2006/05/18/Dell-Latitude-D620/p4 it's that |
| 18:53.42 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: By the time the device makes it to market you can expand the memory with a simm card much cheaper than they can build it in to the original design. |
| 18:53.57 | wols_ | how much storage on a SIM card again? |
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| 18:54.11 | jhutchins_lt | Depends on the card. |
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| 18:54.44 | jhutchins_lt | visof: YOU read it, YOU figure out what hardware you're trying to use, YOU track down the driver. WE don't have one, or any reason to figure one out. |
| 18:55.15 | wols_ | visof: start with lsusb and lspci |
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| 18:55.16 | jhutchins_lt | I would guess that it's a 3G cellular modem from vodaphone that you need a vodaphone sim for, plus a linux driver. |
| 18:55.37 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: vodaphone makes no hardware. most of their stuff they sell is huawei or such |
| 18:55.40 | visof | jhutchins_lt, i have a vodafone sim card |
| 18:55.42 | fdfr | hi all, i need to test some php at home, so i don't need a full blown apache , any tiny alternatives? |
| 18:55.44 | fdfr | thanks |
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| 18:55.58 | wols_ | fdfr: lighttpd |
| 18:56.06 | wols_ | but apache is anything but big nowadays |
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| 18:56.33 | tharkun | wols_. jhutchins_lt: I was talking about the kernel-image-bigmem that is whenever you have an i 386 machine with more than 4 GB ram |
| 18:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | Trying to figure out why things aren't working with alternate httpds can eat up a lot of time. |
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| 18:56.35 | krion | hey guys |
| 18:56.50 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Obsolete. |
| 18:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Pretty much any SMP capable kernel will handle 64G. |
| 18:57.19 | krion | quick question, i've a server with plenty public ip adressess, and i want to force apt to use a specific IPv4 adresse, is that possible with a directive in apt.conf ? |
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| 18:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Just like SMP has been merged with single-proc. |
| 18:57.38 | wols_ | tharkun: and not all i386 kernels are SMP aware... |
| 18:58.00 | wols_ | so from 1GB to 64GB, anything is possible (and don't get into userland/kernelspace divider) |
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| 18:59.06 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: ok thx. I have this propietary application that will not run on amd64 (it is a pain, reverse-engineering is on the waky) but a server update is required with some extra memory. That is why i am asking |
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| 18:59.21 | dutchfish | gives paper back to wols_ and win's |
| 18:59.43 | wols_ | dutchfish: ECHAN? |
| 18:59.52 | wols_ | tharkun: PAE usually won't help you there |
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| 19:00.22 | wols_ | tharkun: a single 32bit app without any special compilation, cannot access more than 3.5GB at most (and that is stretching it) |
| 19:00.54 | tharkun | wols_: well multithreading will eat up any ram you want |
| 19:01.00 | tharkun | And then ask for more |
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| 19:01.12 | wols_ | tharkun: you talk gibberish. please come back if you know what you're talking about |
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| 19:01.28 | vadi | Is there any Free Software virtual globe which offer satellite images and works as well as Google Earth? |
| 19:01.31 | wols_ | hint: multihtreading is all inside the SAME address space |
| 19:01.43 | tharkun | wols_: undersleeped, overstressed, please excuse me |
| 19:01.48 | wols_ | vadi: no. NASA has something IIRC. dunno if Free |
| 19:01.59 | vadi | thanks wols_ |
| 19:02.10 | vadi | Earth3D on Debian is very slow |
| 19:02.18 | vadi | maybe due to servers slowness |
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| 19:03.08 | tharkun | wols_: And by the way i do know what i am talking about |
| 19:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | vadi: Google has paid a lot for it's imagery, they have asked that people not pirate it for free apps. |
| 19:03.35 | wols_ | tharkun: you could have fooled us :P |
| 19:03.52 | wols_ | and when you do know about this stuff, why are you asking? |
| 19:04.05 | wols_ | nevermind, only 3h til sunday |
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| 19:04.30 | tharkun | wols_: Because although iw ould build and compile for amd64 i am no longer familiar with i386 memory handling |
| 19:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Simpler than asking on IRC: try a stock 32b kernel. |
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| 19:05.10 | wols_ | take home message: if your app wants >3GB you need amd64 |
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| 19:05.34 | gridbag | helo |
| 19:06.00 | vadi | jhutchins, Google is getting too much power :P |
| 19:06.12 | gridbag | How do i set up eth1 so it gets a static IP upon boot up? |
| 19:06.49 | dutchfish | gridbag: man interfaces |
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| 19:09.32 | krion | anyone with a link off all apt preferences settings ? |
| 19:09.35 | nsadmin | gridbag: there are examples there |
| 19:10.08 | nsadmin | read the man page |
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| 19:10.34 | lindi- | openssladd: why do you want to use openssl? |
| 19:10.38 | openssladd | nsadmin: not on the man page |
| 19:10.52 | openssladd | lindi-: i want to check it in a linux distro, so i don't want to reboot the computer |
| 19:10.58 | dutchfish | krion: man sources.list provides some basic examples |
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| 19:11.41 | krion | dutchfish: really ? i want something more i guess |
| 19:12.15 | dutchfish | krion: what do you mean? |
| 19:12.16 | krion | like could i force apt to use IPv4 only ? or could i force IPv4 to use a specific IPv4/device in output |
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| 19:12.50 | dutchfish | krion: apt uses whatever connecton is provided elswhere |
| 19:12.57 | lvkro | Hi, I am about to install debian. Right now, I am browsing the ftp to download the image. But there is another directory, gtk/, which also contains the image. Their file sizes are different. Which one should I use? |
| 19:13.06 | MrPicard | Hi guys, would anyone be able to tell me how to setup a shoutcast server using debian linux? |
| 19:14.17 | openssladd | any clue how to check the debian cd integrity already inside linux? |
| 19:14.32 | krion | dutchfish: my probem is the server is use to establish peering with other ISP, and it fail with the default IP it use |
| 19:14.36 | dutchfish | krion: but you can use apt proxy capabilities along with a local proxy and some routing rules to get what you need |
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| 19:14.43 | krion | the network guys could fix it but they wont... |
| 19:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | openssladd: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 19:14.51 | lindi- | openssladd: that does not explain why you want to use openssl specifically |
| 19:15.00 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: that is not very nice |
| 19:15.12 | krion | hum... i could do that |
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| 19:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: What? Works fine. |
| 19:15.24 | openssladd | lindi-: that was the only way i knew how to do it in the past; jhutchins_lt: thank you |
| 19:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Should give the same md5 as the iso. |
| 19:16.04 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: are you sure? |
| 19:16.09 | dutchfish | krion: iow for apt the *connection* is rather transparent |
| 19:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Used it many times, that's pretty much how you verify a burn. |
| 19:16.37 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: If you use something like k3b to verify, that's all it does. |
| 19:16.54 | tharkun | lindi-: you can also use gpg do get the md5 digest |
| 19:17.07 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Very rarely you'll find a reader that doesn't return the true md5, in which case it might not do a clean install either. |
| 19:17.08 | krion | dutchfish: i tought i could use a switch like -4 -6 i do with ssh |
| 19:17.47 | dutchfish | krion: not that i know |
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| 19:18.33 | ariel_g | so i'm using abcde to rip audio cds....anyone know how to make it so a script runs automatically on cd insert? incron seems promisisng, but i don't know which file to monitor |
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| 19:18.52 | openssladd | jhutchins_lt: that only gave me the md5 for the whole cd, the debian cd has md5s for each file in the md5sum.txt file in the root directory of the cds |
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| 19:19.33 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: in 2006 on debian I burned a 728190976-byte iso image. cat returned 728174592 bytes and readcd returned 727973888 bytes |
| 19:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | openssladd: I would think that if the md5 of the CD is good, the md5 of the files is as good as the original image. |
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| 19:20.45 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: does your "md5sum /dev/cdrom" trick only apply to debian cd images? I think I was burning 'KNOPPIX_V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23-EN.iso' back then |
| 19:20.53 | openssladd | jhutchins_lt: but i don't have the md5 for the whole cd, its an older cd of debian net install |
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| 19:21.05 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
| 19:21.29 | openssladd | jhutchins_lt: is there a way to use md5sum to scan the md5sum.txt on the debian cd and confirm each one? |
| 19:21.36 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: which entry? ;) |
| 19:21.40 | tharkun | openssladd: check the md5 hash to the iso image hash |
| 19:21.55 | jhutchins_lt | openssladd: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 19:21.57 | openssladd | ok, its md5sum -c file |
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| 19:22.07 | jhutchins_lt | openssladd: You could write a script. |
| 19:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: General knowledge of CD file systems. |
| 19:23.02 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: I generally avoid them because of fishy things like those I mentioned |
| 19:23.15 | openssladd | the md5sum -c <file> will check every file's md5, so if its a file not needed i can keep the bad debian cd |
| 19:23.18 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: so I was surprised to hear that md5sum /dev/cdrom would work and then dig my emails to find a counterexample |
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| 19:24.03 | openssladd | thanks all |
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| 19:30.05 | Tup | hi folks |
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| 19:30.24 | Tup | i just loaded the kernel module powernow-k8 |
| 19:30.33 | Tup | and my speed stepping now works |
| 19:30.49 | Tup | but now i only get 3 cores shown instead of the 4 cores of my cpu |
| 19:30.50 | Tup | cpu is |
| 19:31.04 | Tup | AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 605e Processor |
| 19:31.11 | Tup | anybody have a clue ? |
| 19:31.55 | do0ob | latest kernel? |
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| 19:32.44 | Tup | 2.6.32-3-amd64 as in the squeeze repos |
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| 19:33.40 | Tup | but without the powernow-k8 module i have 4 cores |
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| 19:34.31 | kzar | I need to type the Japanese Kanji, I have it working using SCIM but I'm having trouble entering numbers after 10. It gives me åä¸ instead of a square. I understand the idea of putting 10 and 1 to make 11 but I'm trying to learn the shapes. Any ideas? |
| 19:34.39 | barmagnet | is there skype for debian? |
| 19:37.50 | barmagnet | what the difference between dosbox and dosemu? |
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| 19:39.36 | Bushmills | dosemu needs DOS. dosemu sort if is. |
| 19:39.39 | Bushmills | sort of |
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| 19:40.05 | DeeTah | what's the fastest way to edit a file on an UFS2 partition? |
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| 19:40.53 | dutchfish | Tup: can you send your output from dmesg to the pastebin? |
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| 19:42.11 | Tup | complete or only specific sections ? |
| 19:42.25 | dutchfish | Tup: complete of possible |
| 19:42.31 | Tup | ok |
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| 19:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: sed |
| 19:43.14 | nsadmin | what's that pastebin that lets you netcat to it |
| 19:43.45 | dutchfish | nsadmin: pastbinit ? |
| 19:43.57 | DeeTah | jhutchins_lt: doesn't really sound funny :P |
| 19:44.05 | dutchfish | nsadmin: pastebinit |
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| 19:44.59 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: Sed's usually faster than editing by hand. You're not exactly being clear about what you're asking. |
| 19:45.17 | nsadmin | that would be the script debian has packaged :) that would be different from what I asked, but I'm glad you brought that up: many pastebin sites closed down (even rafb.net/paste!) and others changed their api... does the new script cover that? and other question still stands: |
| 19:45.20 | nsadmin | what's that pastebin that lets you netcat to it |
| 19:45.53 | dutchfish | nsadmin: the one curently in squeeze does work (on lenny too) |
| 19:46.06 | DeeTah | jhutchins_lt: i can't mount UFS2 partition with write support. the question's whether there's any workaround other than recompilling the kernel |
| 19:47.00 | Tup | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/yLV53VTy |
| 19:47.15 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: Much better question, sorry I don't know the answer. You should be able to mount it writable as root. |
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| 19:47.28 | barmagnet | is there any package with old DOS games in Debian? |
| 19:47.29 | dutchfish | is reading the dmesg |
| 19:47.31 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: I guess that's the whole UFS thing thoguh. |
| 19:47.41 | nsadmin | dos? |
| 19:47.44 | DeeTah | jhutchins_lt: [ 372.433153] ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write |
| 19:47.46 | nsadmin | you want dos? |
| 19:47.56 | nsadmin | vas iss das dos? |
| 19:48.25 | Marshall | time to test ubuntu |
| 19:48.30 | DeeTah | barmagnet: i guess not, due to license issues |
| 19:48.35 | Marshall | hopefully doesnt have same wireless issues :S, brb |
| 19:48.40 | DeeTah | barmagnet: what's the problem with downloading some abandonware yourself? |
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| 19:51.01 | barmagnet | DeeTah, they may have virus. if it comes from debian, i can trust debian. |
| 19:52.00 | nsadmin | if it comes from debian, it does not run under dos! |
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| 19:52.34 | nsadmin | so... let's review :) |
| 19:53.09 | dutchfish | Tup: this is arch amd64 on squeeze right? |
| 19:53.21 | kzar | oh shit I missread the book, ignore my earlier question heh |
| 19:53.22 | Tup | dutchfish: yes |
| 19:53.44 | dutchfish | Tup: it looks like there are 2 problems, 1 is prolly kernel related the other one is ACPI related |
| 19:53.58 | nsadmin | you want a debian packager to download these dos things, clean out the viruses, slug thru licensing issues and package them and upload them, so that you can trust the source? |
| 19:54.02 | Tup | dutchfish: oh ok |
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| 19:55.12 | barmagnet | when will debian start supporting EXE format? |
| 19:55.28 | nsadmin | I don't ever see that happening |
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| 19:55.43 | barmagnet | why? because EXEs have viruses? |
| 19:56.05 | dutchfish | Tup: the kernel problem i have seen myself and is related to the shudular, the ACPI thing is more easy to solve (its a known bug) |
| 19:56.11 | nsadmin | because the format is proprietary |
| 19:56.27 | lindi- | barmagnet: probably when upstream adds support |
| 19:56.31 | Tup | dutchfish; could u point me in the right direction ? |
| 19:56.51 | dutchfish | Tup: however a solution is not there atm, i suggest to send a bug report for that kernel |
| 19:57.13 | nsadmin | barmagnet: I think the bottom line is, if you don't want to run linux and you do want to run windows, by all means do so |
| 19:57.17 | Tup | dutchfish: ok |
| 19:57.25 | lindi- | barmagnet: the right solution is to free those old DOS games |
| 19:57.59 | dutchfish | Tup: try with excuding acpi and compare those dmesg outputs see line 256 and further |
| 19:58.09 | dutchfish | s/excuding/excluding |
| 19:58.10 | lindi- | barmagnet: I really liked an old DOS game and managed to convince authors that we can port and release it as GPLv3: http://triplane.sf.net/ (shameless advertisement :P) |
| 19:58.50 | dutchfish | Tup: do you have details on the module you where talking about? ie version and exact name? |
| 19:59.07 | Tup | dutchfish: Thx i will do that tomorrow (my gf is using the imap running on it right now) |
| 19:59.19 | dutchfish | Tup: okidoki |
| 19:59.27 | Tup | dutchfish: Thx for pointing me in the right direction have a nice day |
| 19:59.34 | dutchfish | Tup: yw |
| 19:59.38 | buntfalke | Is there a way to force the immediate termination of syscalls while they are busy in kernel space? Provided I got root and all. Would be handy to kill stalled 'ls' calls which prevent umounting of a filesystem and such |
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| 20:00.26 | lindi- | buntfalke: why is it stalled? nfs? |
| 20:00.30 | Bushmills | barmagnet: .EXE was defined with intel CPUs in mind. all the models it supports are tailored for the different x86 style memory models. linux, otoh, runs on many CPUs including those where EXE wouldn't be a good fit. |
| 20:00.37 | buntfalke | lindi-: yes, for instance |
| 20:00.58 | Tup | dutchfish: how do i obtain the version of a module ? |
| 20:01.11 | Tup | dutchfish: kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko is the module |
| 20:01.28 | lindi- | buntfalke: with nfs you can umount -l |
| 20:01.32 | Tup | dutchfish: and kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_userspace.ko |
| 20:01.41 | lindi- | buntfalke: or umount -f |
| 20:02.12 | buntfalke | lindi-: Thanks - still after reading man mount - what's the difference between the two? |
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| 20:03.14 | nsadmin | Tup: two ways I can think of... one, modinfo, two, get source for it and look at the docs/readme/source |
| 20:03.45 | lindi- | buntfalke: my guess is that -l does not release any resources |
| 20:04.29 | Tup | dutchfish: for the powernow |
| 20:04.34 | Tup | dutchfish: vermagic: 2.6.32-3-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions |
| 20:04.35 | buntfalke | lindi-: I see - thanks |
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| 20:05.28 | Tup | dutchfish: for the cupfreq_userspace has the same version |
| 20:06.30 | dutchfish | Tup: objdump -x cpufreq_powersave.ko |
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| 20:07.03 | dutchfish | Tup: objdump -x cpufreq_userspace.ko |
| 20:07.25 | dutchfish | Tup: that are the relevant once and the ACPI related user code |
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| 20:07.58 | dutchfish | Tup: good luck |
| 20:08.14 | Tup | dutchfish: Thx, have a nice day |
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| 20:11.02 | dutchfish | Tup: fyi this very same problem has even greater effect on PREEMPT kernels |
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| 20:12.55 | esaym153 | how do I down grade these packages: http://pastie.org/993260 As soon as I installed those updates, my whole system kernel panics every few hours.... |
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| 20:13.43 | Z4ndX | Any one whos got good guide for iptables ? |
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| 20:16.18 | dutchfish | Z4ndX: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/226 |
| 20:18.00 | Z4ndX | Thanks dutchfish |
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| 20:23.00 | ignotus | hello, how can I search for packages that depend on "libevent*"? |
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| 20:28.30 | dima202 | i am trying to install dependencies for a package but apt-get keep spamming me to try -f |
| 20:28.43 | dima202 | to can i clear apt-get so i can install dependecies?! |
| 20:30.07 | phocean | dima202: look at there : http://www.debianadmin.com/recursively-lists-package-dependencies-using-apt-rdepends.html |
| 20:30.07 | lindi- | dima202: put the complete output of "apt-get install -f" online |
| 20:30.28 | phocean | dima202: sorry, mistook |
| 20:30.42 | phocean | ignotus: the link above was for you |
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| 20:30.47 | dima202 | http://pastebin.org/310897 |
| 20:31.10 | lindi- | dima202: hmm, is that debian? |
| 20:31.14 | ignotus | phocean: thanks, checking |
| 20:31.18 | dima202 | yep |
| 20:31.32 | lindi- | dima202: but there is no webmin in debian |
| 20:31.45 | dima202 | i know, i downloaded the .deb |
| 20:32.04 | lindi- | dima202: better remove it :) |
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| 20:32.14 | dima202 | i didn't install it |
| 20:32.22 | lindi- | dima202: well something did |
| 20:32.42 | dima202 | you're right |
| 20:33.02 | dima202 | lol so simple i didn't realise i installed it |
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| 20:33.48 | ignotus | phocean: apt-rdepends -r libevent, it works, thank you |
| 20:35.31 | dima202 | is webmin a good idea for dedicated host? or should I jsut do everything manually? |
| 20:35.59 | phocean | ignotus: cool, you're welcome |
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| 20:38.12 | lindi- | dima202: i think it was removed from debian due to quality and security problems |
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| 20:38.23 | phocean | dima202: maybe it has changed but my experience with webmin several years ago was terrible |
| 20:38.50 | phocean | dima202: it nevers worked well, had security and functionality issues |
| 20:39.14 | phocean | dima202: it is so much better and actually faster to work with the command line |
| 20:39.36 | ilembitov | Could there possibly be any kind of partition table that won't even be fixed after I remove all the partitions and create them anew? I mean, for some reason, I get bad sectors error for a freshly formatted HDD. And I highly doubt it's broken - it's like 3 months old |
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| 20:42.04 | phocean | ilembitov: isn't it an issue related to the new 4KB sector size? |
| 20:42.33 | phocean | ilembitov: check it : http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw074KB-Disksdth-LX |
| 20:42.34 | Rusty1_olpc | ilembitov, have you tried gpart (not gparted) |
| 20:42.55 | phocean | ilembitov: I am not sure as I never experienced such a disk but it sounds like that |
| 20:42.57 | esaym153 | can dpkg install more than one package at a time? |
| 20:43.11 | ilembitov | Rusty1_olpc: I'll try it |
| 20:43.39 | esaym153 | or rather more than one deb at a time... |
| 20:43.42 | dima202 | phocean: thanks, I think I will follow your advice |
| 20:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | esaym153: Perhaps you want aptitude. |
| 20:44.37 | esaym153 | jhutchins_lt: I have to downgrade a bunch of packages... I have them in var/cache/ |
| 20:44.46 | esaym153 | jhutchins_lt: can aptitude use debs? |
| 20:45.07 | ilembitov | phocean: I don't get it - why wouldn't I encounter this thing earlier? My point is, I try to guess, whether my attempt to use brtfs caused this (now I run ext4), or it's a hardware failure |
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| 20:45.44 | phocean | ilembitov: ok, I thought you just bought the disk |
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| 20:48.23 | ilembitov | Rusty1_olpc: gpart also seems to be saying something similar to reallocated sector error |
| 20:48.38 | lindi- | can you recommend me any oscilloscope software? I basically have an ADC connected to serial port sending me values and i'd like to plot them in realtime on openmoko |
| 20:48.42 | ilembitov | Rusty1_olpc: |
| 20:48.43 | ilembitov | * Warning: short read near sector(6581988), 51712 bytes instead of 66048. Skipping... |
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| 20:49.59 | Rusty1_olpc | http://linux.die.net/man/1/testdisk << ilembitov |
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| 20:50.37 | jhutchins_lt | ilembitov: Time to get the backups out. |
| 20:50.42 | Rusty1_olpc | ilaiho, it doesnt look good however |
| 20:51.01 | Rusty1_olpc | sry ilembitov |
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| 20:53.04 | ilembitov | jhutchins_lt: You see, it's a freshly formatted partition, that's my point. I just formatted and installed Ubuntu onto it. Nothing else. The same happens with Ubuntu, Arch, or Debian. Like I said, it's either that trying Meego with brtfs on this thing has messed everything up very deep (so even reformatting back to ext4 doesn't help), or it's a hardware problem. |
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| 21:02.22 | ilembitov | Rusty1_olpc: You're saying, that this HDD is broken? |
| 21:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | ilembitov: If a freshly formatted partition is throwing read errors it's most likely the hardware is bad. Check your cabling. |
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| 21:03.31 | jhutchins_lt | ilembitov: It's not very plausible that btrfs did anything to the drive. |
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| 21:41.56 | jpinx-eeepc | dima202: look at the kernel version - that gives it away sometimes |
| 21:43.49 | Wawanee | I am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask... but I am having problems with upgrading my debian rootserver from etch to lenny... |
| 21:44.05 | xyan | !tell Wawanee about etch->lenny |
| 21:44.21 | Wawanee | I read that... and tried it |
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| 21:44.29 | xyan | so what went wrong? |
| 21:44.38 | Wawanee | but I am getting errors like this: Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 21:44.38 | Wawanee | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the gcc-4.3-base package. |
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| 21:45.31 | samantha-c | !tell Wawanee about doesn't work |
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| 21:46.24 | xyan | Wawanee: did you run aptitude update after changing the sources list? |
| 21:46.32 | Wawanee | no... |
| 21:46.44 | samantha-c | that would explain it. |
| 21:46.48 | xyan | 23:44:21 Wawanee$ I read that... and tried it |
| 21:46.52 | xyan | sure you did? |
| 21:46.53 | Wawanee | first I wanted to update etch as described |
| 21:47.16 | dima202 | jpinx-eeepc: 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 |
| 21:47.25 | samantha-c | you always have to do aptitude/apt-get update after updating your sources.lst, or ... there's no point in changing sources.list. |
| 21:47.50 | dima202 | jpinx-eeepc: Linux ks362620.kimsufi.com 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:48.14 | samantha-c | i like kde's slideshow wallpaper thing. different one on each head. |
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| 21:50.42 | Wawanee | as xyan and dpkg told me... I tried to "Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade)" |
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| 21:51.06 | samantha-c | separate commands. no parenthesis. |
| 21:51.10 | Wawanee | I did not change the source.list before |
| 21:51.22 | Wawanee | I know samantha-c |
| 21:53.13 | Wawanee | here's the output of what I have done so far... http://pastebin.com/ybHs0iza |
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| 21:55.04 | xyan | Wawanee: you have an unofficial mirror guess thats hetzners own repository, might be the problem |
| 21:55.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: and are you root? |
| 21:55.21 | Wawanee | really... okay I'll change that |
| 21:55.24 | Wawanee | yes I am |
| 21:55.30 | xyan | the prompt implies yeah |
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| 21:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 21:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you see anywhere that aptitude wants to install gcc-4.3? |
| 21:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 21:56.33 | samantha-c | when doing an upgrade, using an unofficial respository is generally a bad idea, unless you know *exactly* what's in that respository and why you're using it |
| 21:56.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: your sources.list sucks |
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| 21:56.51 | xyan | lo |
| 21:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's actually no mention of gcc at all except for the error |
| 21:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I think something must be wrong with the current install |
| 21:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | -f install? |
| 21:58.07 | Wawanee | I tried -f install |
| 21:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be the next step, I guess, yes |
| 21:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not telling us the truth, the whole truth and all of the truth, then! |
| 21:58.38 | samantha-c | well let's start with looking at that sources.list |
| 21:58.52 | jhutchins_lt | Wawanee: First thing to do would be to switch to the official etch repositories, update and upgrade. |
| 21:59.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: I'd suggest that you save the output of dpkg -l and /home, and do a fresh install of lenny from official repos |
| 21:59.04 | samantha-c | also he may need to trash his apt cache |
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| 21:59.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: save your self a load of heartache;) |
| 21:59.52 | Wawanee | my headache is already strong enough |
| 21:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with that mirror... at least not necessarily |
| 22:00.11 | Wawanee | I 've working on my servers problems for nearly 13 hours :S |
| 22:00.24 | samantha-c | not very effectively apparently |
| 22:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you been doing all the time! |
| 22:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | two idiots, one thought.... err, I meant great minds think alike |
| 22:00.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: upgrading to lenny took me about 30 minutes :P |
| 22:00.53 | Wawanee | first I thought the problem was my apache |
| 22:01.15 | Wawanee | but I could not solve the problem... nor found any solution for it... |
| 22:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | Wawanee: Why were you using that unusual repository? |
| 22:01.44 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: that isn't an official repo (that I can see), so god knows what's in it |
| 22:01.46 | Wawanee | it's from my provider / hoster |
| 22:02.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: I say again, give up and start again :) |
| 22:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | Wawanee: Not surprizing that an off-list repo wouldn't be properly updated for an older relase, that's one of the risks. |
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| 22:02.49 | jpinx-eeepc | you're going to end up doing that anyway |
| 22:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, yeah, but there's a lot of unofficial mirrors.... most of them actually :) of course, if there's some doubt, I would also switch |
| 22:03.00 | jpinx-eeepc | puts$5 on the table |
| 22:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what does aptitude -f install say? |
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| 22:04.54 | jhutchins_lt | FIRST thing to do is FIX THE SOURCES!!! |
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| 22:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | Otherwise we're just spinning in circles for the dizzy feeling. |
| 22:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cheaper than buying drugs... |
| 22:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what you want |
| 22:06.07 | Wawanee | I am having even old source addresses for etch :/ |
| 22:06.18 | samantha-c | so FIX THEM |
| 22:06.55 | jpinx-eeepc | will come back in an hour to collect his money |
| 22:06.57 | jhutchins_lt | Other thing would be to remove gcc, reinstall it after the upgrade. |
| 22:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | AFTER you fix the sources. |
| 22:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | had already sneaked the $5 in his pocket, and jpinx-eeepc didn't notice |
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| 22:09.03 | samantha-c | Wawanee: after you've wasted another 13 hours fucking with this, let us know how it goes once you FIX THE SOURCES, won't you? |
| 22:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | was thinking we should have feedback from SOMETHING by now. |
| 22:09.33 | jpinx-eeepc | samantha-c: wanna double the bet??? |
| 22:09.56 | samantha-c | jpinx-eeepc: the only betting i do involves sex and birth control (or lack of). |
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| 22:10.14 | Wawanee | yes... I will do so... but I am really going nuts here... easy stuff gets pretty difficult... and so on... |
| 22:10.27 | jpinx-eeepc | samantha-c: heh |
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| 22:10.43 | samantha-c | if you do what we tell you, chances are you'll get it fixed. but a) you must communicate your issue and b) you must DO WHAT WE TELL YOU. |
| 22:11.00 | tuv | i'm setting up rdiff-back to back up home directories as a special backup user. now users cannot restore their backups, because they're not the owners of the backup, and they don't have read permissions |
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| 22:11.24 | samantha-c | tuv: yup. |
| 22:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | samantha-c: I think we've lost him. We didn't tell him where the 'fix it" button was, he's given up. |
| 22:11.59 | jhutchins_lt | He'll go back to running Windows, that'll show us. |
| 22:12.05 | tuv | solution 1: run the backup script as root instead of backup user, and 'su rdiff-backup' to each user before backing up their home |
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| 22:12.21 | samantha-c | jhutchins_lt: he's setting his hair on fire because obviously without a pretty gui that beeps and makes noises and shit. |
| 22:12.28 | samantha-c | he can't do anything |
| 22:12.51 | samantha-c | i still never have fixed my undernet problem. very distressing. |
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| 22:13.09 | tuv | solution 2: ?? |
| 22:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | undernet problem? |
| 22:13.22 | samantha-c | tuv: chmod everything 777 and let everybody read everything. |
| 22:13.22 | tuv | opinions on solution 1 ? |
| 22:13.29 | jpinx-eeepc | samantha-c: under....? |
| 22:13.37 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: Run the backup as the user. |
| 22:14.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's all that hostility in here? |
| 22:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: it should preserve ownership though... |
| 22:14.27 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: it preserves ownership after restoring, provided you have sufficient permissions to restore in the first place |
| 22:14.38 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a dumbass asking for help but he's not really capable of following directions. so he's wasting his time and ours. |
| 22:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's saturday, the weather is niceish... keep the flames down a bit? |
| 22:14.57 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: why would i go outside? i'm installing windows on a mac. =/ |
| 22:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's true for everyone asking in here... if they could ask the right questions, the needn't ask here |
| 22:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | samantha-c: To be fair, we've just lost track of him - he stopped responding. |
| 22:15.21 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: i'd ideally like to run backups as individual users, but managing multiple cronjobs is an overhead. that's why i thought of one root cronjob with su |
| 22:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-c, well, no need to spread your misery arond here |
| 22:15.44 | jpinx-eeepc | not surprised given the roasting he was getting :/ |
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| 22:16.01 | samantha-c | tuv: once set up you don't need to "manage" anything. and if you put the cron job in /etc/skel once you figure out what it is, every new user will inherit it |
| 22:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: That can be kinda tricky, you get multiple layers of user priv's and it gos bad. |
| 22:16.35 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: I'll have to look at my setup - maybe it's just that they can't access the backup root? They should have access to their folders. Maybe a symlink to keep them in their own tree? |
| 22:16.44 | samantha-c | cron is a fantastic tool for lazy admins (like me) |
| 22:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | samantha-c: How do you put a cron job in /skel? I thought it all went to /home/<user> |
| 22:17.22 | tuv | samantha-c: for one, setting a different time to run each user's cronjob is not straightforward |
| 22:17.57 | samantha-c | tuv: how many users are we talking about here? |
| 22:18.11 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: how is it multiple layers of user priv's? one cronjob in root's crontab, but all it does is iterate over users and run rdiff-backup as each user |
| 22:19.37 | tuv | jhutchins_lt: they aren't many now. but i want a scalable solution ;) |
| 22:20.13 | tuv | oops. samantha-c ^^^ |
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| 22:21.39 | samantha-c | then probably your script is about as good as you're going to do in the short term, i'd imagine. |
| 22:23.04 | action09 | hi all, an't find the link to map CVE to Debian advisory/patch for vulns.. someone know the URL please ? for this CVE below, no plan to patch so ? am i right please ? http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-1297 |
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| 22:24.15 | samantha-c | action09: that may be yet an as-yet undisclosed hole, and the description and fix will be posted at the same time, once a fix is ready. |
| 22:24.44 | Wawanee | so... I changed the sources.list... to... deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 22:24.52 | action09 | samantha-c ok great, thanks for your answer. |
| 22:25.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: now do the update, etc |
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| 22:25.29 | samantha-c | Wawanee: and you did an aptitude update like we told you. |
| 22:25.32 | tuv | bummer. i already have it perfectly setup with backups performed by a backup user. only problem: users can't restore! |
| 22:25.36 | jpinx-eeepc | and paste the output if it fails again |
| 22:26.03 | sepult | ls |
| 22:26.05 | sepult | ups |
| 22:26.09 | Wawanee | aptitude update went fine... |
| 22:26.19 | Wawanee | aptitude upgrade still has an error |
| 22:26.34 | samantha-c | so pastebin the error. |
| 22:26.38 | Wawanee | yes |
| 22:27.03 | Wawanee | http://pastebin.com/N1CJpQUq |
| 22:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: it tells you to fixthe 2 errors by installing manually, and it is still asking if you are root (not sudo) |
| 22:28.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: what is the output of "uname -a" |
| 22:29.01 | Wawanee | I am logged in as root... |
| 22:29.22 | Wawanee | altair:/install# uname -a |
| 22:29.22 | Wawanee | Linux altair.netants.at 2.4.27 #3 SMP Fri Oct 22 13:50:24 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:30.19 | Wawanee | hrzzz... I am really an idiot |
| 22:30.30 | samantha-c | ... |
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| 22:30.49 | Wawanee | I've been trying to manually install i386 packages |
| 22:30.52 | Wawanee | OMG |
| 22:31.48 | themill | Wawanee: as part of the etch->lenny process, you need to move over to a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:33.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: what themill said - your kernel is too old for lenny |
| 22:33.40 | samantha-c | which will require a reboot. that will be amusing. |
| 22:33.48 | Wawanee | ah... and how can I update it? |
| 22:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?" are you running another apt process somewhere? |
| 22:34.52 | karsten | Wawanee: Install a newer kernel 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6' will track current 2.6 kernel track. |
| 22:35.06 | karsten | Wawanee: You might want to have a bootable CD handy in case things go pear-shaped. |
| 22:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions tzdata |
| 22:35.21 | judd | tzdata -- etch: 2008e-1etch3; etch-volatile: 2009g-0etch1.1; lenny-volatile: 2009l-0lenny1.1; lenny: 2010a-0lenny1; sid: 2010j-1; squeeze: 2010j-1 |
| 22:35.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: do backups before you do anythng more |
| 22:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, name hasn't changed |
| 22:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, backups are for cowards! |
| 22:36.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: you are in the danger zone now ;) |
| 22:36.17 | samantha-c | this machine may be beyond saving anyway. |
| 22:36.27 | Wawanee | I've been zipping webaccount directories and dumping mysql databases all evening |
| 22:37.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: now you know the value of regular and frequent updates and upgrades ;) |
| 22:37.49 | Wawanee | yes... |
| 22:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, you mean... you can have that type of fun more often? :) |
| 22:38.32 | samantha-c | of course you need to still make sure you unlock that apt cache. looks like you had a failed update somewhere and the semaphores are still stuck. |
| 22:39.35 | karsten | samantha-c: Where is that saved? |
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| 22:40.20 | samantha-c | been so long since i had that problem i couldn't tell you anymore. especially not on etch, which i haven't used since it was released. |
| 22:40.29 | karsten | runs lastlog on Wawanee, reads, and weeps.... |
| 22:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands a lollipop to karsten |
| 22:40.54 | karsten | samantha-c: Yeah, I've never had the problem unless I was actually runing apt-get, aptitude, or dpkg in another shell. |
| 22:41.17 | karsten | steals his lollipop from himself and cries again. |
| 22:41.22 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: and he's possibly on a vm, which might make the kernel upgrade "interesting" ;) |
| 22:41.32 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: He doesn't know? |
| 22:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don't know |
| 22:41.46 | karsten | Is this a local or remote machine? |
| 22:41.51 | karsten | puts money on "remote". |
| 22:41.53 | samantha-c | karsten: true. but he won't get anywhere without unsticking this. |
| 22:41.53 | jpinx-eeepc | hasn't had the heart to ask yet |
| 22:42.02 | Wawanee | yes it is |
| 22:42.08 | karsten | Hah! |
| 22:42.14 | karsten | !win me |
| 22:42.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | there go jpinx-eeepc 5 dollar |
| 22:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | s |
| 22:42.56 | samantha-c | yeah watch he'll get the kernel upgraded and then get stuck in an endless reboot situation when he runs it out of memory :) |
| 22:43.01 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: is welcome to *that* "prize" ;) |
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| 22:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, do something about the oil spill! |
| 22:43.15 | samantha-c | <-- had that happen once. was fun. |
| 22:43.16 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: It's amost worth having now. |
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| 22:43.48 | Wawanee | I am sorry for not answering so quick... and I look like a real idiot I guess... |
| 22:43.58 | karsten | redefines "oily" as the new Gulf water standard. |
| 22:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | not yet... |
| 22:44.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: you're doing fine - take your time |
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| 22:44.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Problem solved. |
| 22:44.13 | Wawanee | if I would have the time |
| 22:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we've got popcorn and everything and are waiting for something like that to happen |
| 22:44.31 | karsten | So, have we advised him to update everything on etch to most recent release? |
| 22:44.42 | samantha-c | karsten: he can't. |
| 22:44.42 | jpinx-eeepc | steals CutMeOwnThroat s popcorn |
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| 22:44.53 | Wawanee | I have to go to Milan tomorrow morning and all the people ask my, why the server isn't working etc. |
| 22:44.56 | karsten | Why not? |
| 22:45.11 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: yes - we're being good advisors |
| 22:45.56 | samantha-c | karsten: his aptitude is stuck. http://pastebin.com/N1CJpQUq |
| 22:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | up to now "we" said to use ftp.de.debian.org as a mirror so we don't have to doubt his one |
| 22:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and to fix the current errors |
| 22:45.58 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: "own" |
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| 22:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and quite a lot of bickering inbetween |
| 22:46.07 | karsten | At this point, I'd be inclined to archive off /etc, /root, and as much state from /var as is appropriate, get a package list, and attempt a fresh install. |
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| 22:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, no, read again :) |
| 22:46.23 | jpinx-eeepc | HA! $5 please ! |
| 22:46.34 | samantha-c | karsten: we also suggested that option. |
| 22:46.42 | karsten | samantha-c: OK. |
| 22:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't to great an option on a remote machine though, is it? |
| 22:47.11 | tbsaunde | karsten: might be tricky on a remote box |
| 22:47.13 | Wawanee | Karsten... Do you know hetzner.de ? This is where I have my rootserver |
| 22:47.21 | karsten | In theory lenny -> etch should be doable. |
| 22:47.24 | karsten | Wawanee: No. |
| 22:47.40 | karsten | tbsaunde: debrootstrab / dbrootstrap. |
| 22:47.44 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: depends on the virtalisation - have bad memories of this |
| 22:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | just some overpriced german company offering servers |
| 22:48.09 | karsten | erm, debootstrap. |
| 22:48.33 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: overpriiced in germany?? forbid the thought! ;) |
| 22:48.35 | karsten | what's /proc/cpuinfo give us? Should distinguish live vs. virtual host. |
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| 22:49.17 | karsten | Someone care to PM me with what's the basic problem here -- I see gcc-4.3-base being effed up, what else? |
| 22:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, I might note that apple was not founded in germany |
| 22:49.33 | samantha-c | karsten: that's as far as we've gotten really. |
| 22:49.36 | karsten | also has to go pick up his car at the shop. |
| 22:49.38 | karsten | OK. |
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| 22:49.44 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: true ;) |
| 22:50.01 | karsten | samantha-c: And this is doing etch -> lenny, not a full-upgrade on etch first, correct? |
| 22:50.09 | Caelum | if I want to start a second X with a custom .xsession, do I do: startx /path/to/my-xsession -- :1 # ? |
| 22:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, we're at the full-upgrade right now |
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| 22:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | on etch |
| 22:50.25 | samantha-c | karsten: we can't even get as far as updating a full upgrade on etch because of the list directory lock, which i'm trying to google now |
| 22:50.27 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: stuck at getting etch up to latest because of stuck apt-cache and bad gcc... |
| 22:50.47 | Wawanee | http://pastebin.com/B6PvrgMn <- /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:50.49 | karsten | samantha-c: strace would be the short path to that. |
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| 22:51.09 | karsten | Wawanee: looks rea. |
| 22:51.13 | karsten | real. |
| 22:51.39 | karsten | has a sticking 'L' key, which can be reay annoying. |
| 22:51.42 | samantha-c | karsten: wouldn't just nuking /var/apt work too? :) |
| 22:51.58 | themill | eeep no |
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| 22:52.34 | jpinx-eeepc | looks like a real cpu - we might salvage this yet:) |
| 22:52.43 | karsten | samantha-c: /var/cache/apt/lock |
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| 22:53.16 | samantha-c | bingo. i knew it was there somewhere. remove that, yes? |
| 22:53.24 | themill | no, and no. |
| 22:53.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: have you installed anything by hand - by "dpkg -i <some downloaded package>" ? |
| 22:54.06 | Wawanee | yes I tried some hours ago |
| 22:54.27 | karsten | Wawanee: ps waux | egrep '([a]pt|[d]pkg)' |
| 22:54.35 | karsten | Wawanee: .... got a stray session running somewhere? |
| 22:54.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: what did dpkg say when you did it? |
| 22:55.00 | Wawanee | returns nothing |
| 22:55.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: I mean - did whatever you install by hand go through without errors? |
| 22:55.59 | karsten | Wawanee: do you get the lock file error running 'aptitude update'? |
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| 22:56.07 | tbsaunde | karsten: why not just killall -9 apt ; killall -9 aptitude ; killall -9 dpkg ? |
| 22:56.09 | Wawanee | oops... dpkg returned an error saying something like The package gcc-4.3-base needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 22:56.37 | karsten | tbsaunde: Well, you could, but it would be nice to see if there's actually a stray process first, or if it's the lockfile hanging around. |
| 22:56.38 | mohamed-ragab | how can install gd in my vps ? |
| 22:56.40 | samantha-c | that's easy to fix. we can remove gcc entirely once we get the lock unstuck. |
| 22:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: try removing the same package |
| 22:56.52 | Wawanee | no error Karsten... altair:~# aptitude update |
| 22:56.53 | Wawanee | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:56.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: using dpkg again |
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| 22:57.15 | mohamed-ragab | how can install gd in my vps using debian ? |
| 22:57.34 | daedhel | how do I remove every packages exept the stricit minimum? |
| 22:57.54 | themill | dpkg: tell daedhel about uninstall everything |
| 22:58.06 | themill | mohamed-ragab: what do you want it for? php? perl?⦠|
| 22:58.21 | mohamed-ragab | php |
| 22:58.31 | mohamed-ragab | themill, php5 |
| 22:58.43 | daedhel | themill: thanks dud, awesome |
| 22:58.48 | karsten | Wawanee: What version is currently installed? (gcc-4.3-base)? |
| 22:58.59 | themill | mohamed-ragab: "apt-cache search php gd" will be instructive, in that case. |
| 22:59.40 | karsten | Wawanee: ... and you can get it straight from the Debian pool: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.3/ |
| 22:59.44 | mohamed-ragab | gdancer - visualization plug-in for xmms |
| 22:59.44 | mohamed-ragab | libphp-phplot - The graphic library for PHP |
| 22:59.44 | mohamed-ragab | php4-gd - GD module for php4 |
| 22:59.44 | mohamed-ragab | php5-gd - GD module for php5 |
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| 23:00.02 | karsten | OK, off to find my car. |
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| 23:01.03 | themill | mohamed-ragab: I didn't ask you to paste it (please don't paste into the channel in any case). I wanted you to read it. |
| 23:01.12 | karsten | also suggests running 'strace' on aptitude / apt-get / dpkg and finding out from that output what lock file offends. |
| 23:01.18 | mohamed-ragab | ok |
| 23:01.19 | jan | is there an command to list all active user in a irc-channel |
| 23:01.22 | jan | for irssi |
| 23:01.34 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: /users |
| 23:01.59 | karsten | erm, /names |
| 23:02.00 | mohamed-ragab | give me 4 lin |
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| 23:02.07 | mohamed-ragab | themill, give me 4 lin |
| 23:02.12 | jan | nice |
| 23:02.15 | jan | thanks |
| 23:02.39 | mohamed-ragab | themill, gdancer - visualization plug-in for xmms , libphp-phplot - The graphic library for PHP |
| 23:02.52 | themill | mohamed-ragab: I want YOU to read the output. |
| 23:02.54 | jpinx-eeepc | jan: /names ;) |
| 23:03.05 | mohamed-ragab | themill, php4-gd - GD module for php4 , php5-gd - GD module for php5 |
| 23:03.11 | samantha-c | themill: that would require him to be able to read. |
| 23:03.16 | mohamed-ragab | i read it |
| 23:03.17 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten tabbed too soon ;) |
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| 23:03.28 | jpinx-eeepc | samantha-c: back off! |
| 23:03.33 | themill | samantha-c: please leave that sort of crap outside #debian. |
| 23:03.37 | mohamed-ragab | themill, i read it |
| 23:04.01 | Wawanee | ah I found the lock file of aptitude ... /var/lock/ |
| 23:04.13 | themill | mohamed-ragab: so did any of those 4 packages sound useful to your situation of trying to find GD for PHP5? |
| 23:04.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: cool - you can rm the lockfile and hopefully get aptitude to play nicely now |
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| 23:05.13 | Wawanee | I have removed it... same error as before |
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| 23:05.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: did you try karsten s suggested ps command ? |
| 23:05.56 | sinshun | Is there ARM-based laptop? |
| 23:06.11 | Wawanee | yes... but there was no output |
| 23:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: 05:51 < karsten> Wawanee: ps waux | egrep '([a]pt|[d]pkg)' |
| 23:06.43 | jan | and how can i configure my iceweasel so that it saves the session, when closed |
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| 23:07.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jan there is a session manager addonplugin |
| 23:08.02 | Wawanee | yes jpinx-eeepc... I tried that with no result begin returned |
| 23:08.33 | dima202 | How does godaddy use one ip address to distribute thousands of hosting accounts? Is that managed through DNS or actualy host? |
| 23:09.23 | dima202 | I see her DNS pointing to and IP |
| 23:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Wawanee: you might want to paste the output of ps -e (as root) |
| 23:10.06 | jan | jpinx-eeepc: i thought there was a option like in firefox, which opens the new ff-session with the same tabs |
| 23:10.16 | Bushmills | VirtualHost, name based, not ip based |
| 23:10.55 | dima202 | Bushmills: so how exactly does name based work? |
| 23:11.00 | Bushmills | idea is simple: browser transmits the URL to web server, when requesting a page. web server looks at host name |
| 23:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wawanee, do you _have_ /var/cache/apt/lock or not (or did you say and I missed it?) |
| 23:11.34 | linux2 | does anyone know what happened to the r8192s_usb module? I have a fresh install of squeeze and it doesn't seem to exist. the r8192_pci module exists and loads fine, but my wireless adapter is USB so it isn't all too helpful. |
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| 23:12.07 | Wawanee | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastebin.com/eycfceUb here you are |
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| 23:12.42 | peja | any idea why my ncftp says => http://pastebin.com/pwM3A1Ea |
| 23:12.48 | dima202 | Bushmills: how do you tell the server you want that specific domain name to show this user's directory/index/etc? |
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| 23:13.24 | Wawanee | CutMeOwnThroat: no there is no lock file there... just one lock file for aptitude at /var/lock/ |
| 23:13.28 | Bushmills | by instructing server to associate a specific directory with a specific host name |
| 23:13.41 | dima202 | Bushmills: your a genius that makes sense |
| 23:14.03 | Bushmills | that's simple stuff |
| 23:14.05 | dima202 | Bushmills: how could I not see it before.. so simple ;) |
| 23:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wawanee, well, if you're not running any... you could check with fuser on that lockfile, if that shows nothing remove it |
| 23:14.34 | themill | Wawanee: the output of "fuser -vi /var/lib/dpkg/lock" may be instructive too. |
| 23:15.25 | Wawanee | themill... there's no result for fuser on dpkg/lock |
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| 23:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if fuser (run by root, btw) doesn't show any owning process, just remove the lockfile |
| 23:16.43 | themill | no... /var/lib/dpkg/lock should stay in place |
| 23:16.50 | Wawanee | i have done that before |
| 23:17.20 | Wawanee | not on the dpkg/lock File... btw |
| 23:17.45 | Wawanee | but on the aptitude file under /var/lock/ |
| 23:18.14 | Wawanee | the funny thing about this all is that I just had a strange problem with my apache |
| 23:18.33 | Wawanee | everything else was working as normally |
| 23:18.49 | Wawanee | and is still runing without any problems |
| 23:19.30 | Wawanee | and now I am doctoring around with nearly no clue for more than 15 hours |
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| 23:20.53 | Wawanee | if i just would get my apache running with this strange behavior... |
| 23:21.15 | Wawanee | I should be off to Milan in about 9 hours |
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| 23:23.25 | fupp | Package ssh-askpass is not available, but is referred to by another package... How can I install this? |
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| 23:23.45 | themill | ,rprovides ssh-askpass |
| 23:23.48 | judd | ssh-askpass in lenny/i386 is provided by: gtk-led-askpass, ksshaskpass, ssh-askpass-gnome, ssh-askpass-fullscreen. ssh-askpass is also a real package. |
| 23:23.59 | themill | fupp: ^^ install an of those packages to get ssh-askpass. |
| 23:24.22 | fupp | hm.. weird, when I do apt-cache search askpass I don't see anything |
| 23:24.31 | themill | (but note that ssh-askpass is also a real package and should be available... perhaps you should pastebin your sources.list) |
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| 23:25.52 | fupp | ah, looks like someone has commented out everything in sources.list that's why it wasn't there |
| 23:26.19 | themill | that doesn't help |
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| 23:27.32 | jpinx-eeepc | fupp: at least you have someone to blame and not yourself ;) |
| 23:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he's sleep-typing, though |
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| 23:29.59 | mohamed-ragab | themill, i can't find eny think |
| 23:30.03 | rtronk | can anyone recommend a good lightwight solutition for running webmail on my debian lenny? i wish to have webmail insted of using pop/smtp or imap |
| 23:30.11 | rtronk | (unless imap is needed for webmail) |
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| 23:31.29 | pab_ | just had to remove a new install of nxserver because it screwed up apt (the init.d scripts). Has anyone seen this? Just curious |
| 23:31.33 | themill | mohamed-ragab: if you were wanting GD for php5, do you think the php5-gd package, described as "GD module for php5", would be useful? |
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| 23:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | squirrelmail? |
| 23:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos squirrelmail... I'm not sure I ever figured if the debian installation had that security bug or not |
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| 23:37.42 | dominicus | tbsaunde: I had to FORCE udev to install, just so I could install a newer kernel. Thanks for the help earlier. Things managed to go smooth after that, and I'm running squeeze now. =) |
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| 23:42.04 | tbsaunde | dominicus: cool, np |
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