| 00:00.00 | dotCOMmie | /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/info and /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling are probably most of interest |
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| 00:00.38 | nil | hi |
| 00:01.04 | barraponto_ | is there a graphical package manager for kde? |
| 00:01.16 | barraponto_ | actually, is there *working* a graphical package manager for kde? |
| 00:01.23 | nil | ah :) |
| 00:02.30 | abrotman | barraponto_: synaptic ? |
| 00:02.46 | dotCOMmie | gnat_x: Also clean your heatsink its probably full of dust |
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| 00:02.52 | nil | abrotman: isn't it gnome-centric? |
| 00:03.01 | abrotman | it's a GUI package manager |
| 00:03.17 | abrotman | pretty sure adept is mostly dead |
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| 00:03.37 | nil | I am setting up some backups, and wondering which set of files is sufficient to reinstall all the packages of a Debian system |
| 00:03.51 | nil | is /var/lib/dpkg enough? |
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| 00:04.56 | gnat_x | nil: you want /etc (or any of it you've customized) |
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| 00:05.15 | abrotman | !tell RCCCP about root |
| 00:05.28 | nil | gnat_x: yes, ok for that. and /root, /home, /srv, ... |
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| 00:06.28 | nil | gnat_x: but to reinstall all the packages in a fresh new state, is /var/lib/dpkg enough? if so, what yould be the procedure for such a reinstall? apt-get check; apt-getr install? |
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| 00:08.01 | PresClinton | I recently installed Debian on my Vista64 machine. Debian erased Vista and I still need it. Vista will not install on a machine with a '3rd party' partition or clone due to M$'s BS. I need to remove all partitions on my HDD, reformat to something Vista likes and reinstall Vista then dual boot Vista and Debian on a fresh new reinstall of both. Due to my stupidity or lack of computer knowledge I have no way of knowing how to do this. Anybody want |
| 00:08.01 | PresClinton | to help? |
| 00:09.06 | nil | PresClinton: did Debian really erase vista? |
| 00:09.32 | PresClinton | Yes I formated the whole HDD without knowing what I was doing. |
| 00:09.36 | PresClinton | <---check name |
| 00:09.46 | nil | ah ok |
| 00:09.53 | cretsiah | ouch :( |
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| 00:10.14 | chelz | PresClinton: you could dd if=/dev/xda bs=512 count=1 of=backupmbr.bin && dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/xda |
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| 00:10.41 | PresClinton | I have never worked with linux before in my life. Do I put that in the root terminal? |
| 00:10.44 | chelz | make sure you have a partition for vista before doing that, then install vista to it, then restore |
| 00:10.52 | nil | chelz: if he really formatted the disk, the depian partitions are written instead of the windows ones |
| 00:10.58 | chelz | PresClinton: well make sure you know what it does before doing that |
| 00:11.02 | PresClinton | Vista will NOT install to a hdd that has a partition |
| 00:11.16 | chelz | nil: i'm thinking of installing vista on a system that refuses to install if there's existing stuff |
| 00:11.20 | cretsiah | this may or may not help after you have recovered your vista http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/contents.htm |
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| 00:11.25 | nil | chelz: ok, i didn't understand correctly |
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| 00:11.37 | chelz | i remember reading about that scanning the hdd stuff and it was part of me totally avoiding vista |
| 00:11.52 | bahadunn | vista? |
| 00:11.59 | chelz | this one guide i read recommended actually backing up the headers and zeroing out the beginning of partitions |
| 00:12.00 | PresClinton | its ok, most linux users are used to XP installs...XP didnt care but Vista is a female dog about it |
| 00:12.08 | bahadunn | debian has no release named vista |
| 00:12.13 | chelz | yeah xp is the last i've had |
| 00:12.23 | chelz | bahadunn: codename for squeeze+1 :P |
| 00:12.36 | bahadunn | hhmmmm |
| 00:12.50 | PresClinton | no linux has no release of vista but I am here because windows people dont know anything and you guys are smarter... |
| 00:13.06 | PresClinton | the ONLY reason I need vista back is because I cannot configure my sound and wifi card |
| 00:13.30 | bahadunn | yeah but whenever I say something that is remotely off topic I get hounded about it and told to leave and go to debian-offtopic |
| 00:13.37 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: you shoul'd have probably started your question with that. |
| 00:13.41 | bahadunn | then here we are talking about MICROSOFT products |
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| 00:13.47 | chelz | PresClinton: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm |
| 00:13.52 | nil | bahadunn: now you are off-topic :) |
| 00:14.04 | bahadunn | ops must be hypocrites |
| 00:14.11 | PresClinton | we arent trying to work with microsoft producs we are working with debian so I can reformat then dual boot debian. |
| 00:14.13 | nil | bahadunn: to talk about the #debian policies, go to #debian-meta :p |
| 00:14.17 | bahadunn | nil: I remember a time when you could talk about anything you liked here |
| 00:14.28 | bahadunn | nil: then it turned in to topic police crap hole |
| 00:14.29 | nil | bahadunn: did you notice the ":)" ? |
| 00:14.30 | dondelelcaro | folks, if it doesn't involve Debian, please take it elsewhere |
| 00:14.31 | chelz | PresClinton: you can put vista in virtualbox also |
| 00:14.44 | bahadunn | on que |
| 00:14.44 | PresClinton | whats virtualbox? |
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| 00:15.07 | bahadunn | virtualbox is a virtualzation program |
| 00:15.13 | PresClinton | amazing |
| 00:15.16 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: maybe you should pastebin lspci and I think this channel would be a lot more interested in solving your debian problem rathern than wiping it to go back to windows |
| 00:15.22 | cretsiah | think of it as a box to house another computer on the computer your working on |
| 00:15.30 | bahadunn | it allows you to run guest operating systems on 1 peace of hardware under 1 host operating system |
| 00:15.37 | PresClinton | emulation? |
| 00:15.43 | chelz | virtualization |
| 00:15.45 | bahadunn | PresClinton: virtualization |
| 00:15.46 | PresClinton | ok |
| 00:15.52 | PresClinton | lets do that |
| 00:16.05 | bahadunn | PresClinton: if you hav ea modern cpu the cpu has extensions to run the guests at near native speeds as well |
| 00:16.11 | chelz | i'm not sure if virtualbox actually supports cpus without virt extensions |
| 00:16.16 | PresClinton | will it allow me to use restore disks and install an OS within this imaginitive box? |
| 00:16.25 | bahadunn | PresClinton: I am running a guest now on my system actually |
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| 00:16.40 | PresClinton | dotCOMmie how do I pastebin lspci? |
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| 00:16.48 | bahadunn | PresClinton: but I am afraid to say which os since it is not debian and thus probably off topic |
| 00:17.20 | sevard | Excuse me for my ignorance as I am migrating from a dist that doesn't use package management. If one has a .deb can one make dpkg or apt-get seek out and install the dependancies that the .deb requires? |
| 00:17.25 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: run lspci and submit output to http://debian.pastebin.com/ send link to channel |
| 00:17.36 | cretsiah | PresClinton: if you virtualise you can create the first file, then make a backup copy, ..... if first screws up just make a cpy of the copy :) and start again |
| 00:17.41 | dotCOMmie | then describe exactly what you problem with ALSA and WIFI is. |
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| 00:18.23 | chelz | sevard: np, that's the point of package management |
| 00:18.53 | sevard | chelz: understanably so, but I've only been sucessful in making apt-get seek out dependencies for a deb that's obtained through apt-get |
| 00:19.00 | PresClinton | http://debian.pastebin.com/CP7J64p2 |
| 00:19.02 | sevard | I downloaded the virtual box .deb file |
| 00:19.07 | PresClinton | does that work? |
| 00:19.08 | sevard | but it has lots of requirements |
| 00:19.33 | PresClinton | i want to either fix the sound and wifi issues or just run a real copy of the thing we arent allowed to talk about |
| 00:19.50 | pipeline | what thing are you not allowed to talk about |
| 00:20.02 | PresClinton | vista64 |
| 00:20.08 | sevard | chelz: is that possible? |
| 00:20.50 | PresClinton | cant one of you guys just hack me, take control over my PC and fix the issues so I can get back to work and research how to use Debian? |
| 00:21.06 | pipeline | sevard: install the deb, apt-get -f install when it fails due to missing dependencies |
| 00:21.16 | pipeline | PresClinton: that's what I do for a living, and you can assuredly not afford those services |
| 00:21.37 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: is this an 802.11n card? |
| 00:21.41 | PresClinton | i build and design bridges for the USDD |
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| 00:22.03 | PresClinton | pipeline I think so. how can I check? |
| 00:22.13 | PresClinton | again I build bridges not puters |
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| 00:22.49 | PresClinton | err dotCOMmie I think so how can I check? |
| 00:23.26 | sevard | pipeline: but i want apt-get to install those dependencies |
| 00:23.46 | PresClinton | the wireless card shows up in my devices under network but I cannot configure it to even check for a signal |
| 00:24.09 | PresClinton | it seems to only want to pick up my own signal that I can enter the info for |
| 00:24.40 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: looks like this is suuported by ath9k give this a shot: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 00:24.59 | PresClinton | (username/password) So what if I need to get free wifi or a hotspot or within my company that has open connections? |
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| 00:25.10 | dotCOMmie | PresClinton: it looks like your chipset is AR928X |
| 00:25.25 | cretsiah | PresClinton: do you have network manager or wicd installed? they control wifi and other network stuff |
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| 00:25.42 | karsten | Any suggestions where I might find a package from a *really* old Debian release -- woody/sarge/potato? |
| 00:25.43 | spaceace | hi guys |
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| 00:25.47 | PresClinton | i have kwlan |
| 00:26.12 | nil | karsten: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 00:26.26 | spaceace | I'm setting up a MySQL/PHP server. Any reason to choose 64-bit over 32-bit? |
| 00:26.37 | nil | karsten: or http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 00:26.44 | PresClinton | wicd is not listed in my ad/remove programs lists |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | spaceace: depends how much data you're dealing with |
| 00:26.50 | karsten | nil: Danke. And is snapshot still around? |
| 00:27.14 | spaceace | abrotman: The database is about 300MB and growing, with roughly 60 users |
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| 00:27.46 | joshteam | anyone know if deb has a selenium install package/ |
| 00:27.48 | joshteam | ?( |
| 00:27.50 | Mark_ | if your hardware is 64 bit theres no reason not to use a 64 bit OS |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | spaceace: ultimately it's up to you. |
| 00:28.16 | Mark_ | sigh |
| 00:28.18 | joshteam | abrotman: was that to me? |
| 00:28.25 | Mark_ | 1. you get extra registers with amd64 |
| 00:28.36 | barraponto_ | abrotman: thanks, but synaptic is really gnome-centric. there is kpackage but it just doesn't work as expected. |
| 00:28.37 | Mark_ | 2. theres implicit optimizations available, sse, etc |
| 00:28.50 | abrotman | Mark_: sigh, there are still crappy closed source 32-bit only apps .. so yes, there are reasons |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | barraponto_: is adept still available ? |
| 00:29.06 | Mark_ | #2 especially applies to a binary distro like debian, where 32 bit builds are done very conservatively |
| 00:29.09 | barraponto_ | lemme check |
| 00:29.09 | pipeline | sevard: that's the point. You install the package. It fails midway. apt-get -f install tries to fix the problems. |
| 00:29.11 | karsten | nil: Dud! I owe you beer. |
| 00:29.24 | hramrach | abrotman: like Firefox :-> |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | joshteam: packages.debian.org is a good place to look |
| 00:29.37 | pipeline | spaceace: I would also recommend 32 bit unless you have a particular NEED for amd64 |
| 00:29.38 | hramrach | abrotman: but you can use 32bit emulation to run them |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | hramrach: well, i meant more specialized .. |
| 00:29.39 | Mark_ | 3. address space for mmap'ing files, etc |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | Mark_: how does tihs really apply to an average desktop user? |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | hramrach: i know |
| 00:30.17 | Mark_ | are we talking about desktops? |
| 00:30.19 | Mark_ | <spaceace> I'm setting up a MySQL/PHP server. Any reason to choose 64-bit over 32-bit? |
| 00:30.23 | Mark_ | no, we arent |
| 00:30.28 | Mark_ | but even on a desktop, id take 64-bit |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | he still might have 32bit only software |
| 00:30.36 | Mark_ | theres 64-bit flash |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | 64bit flash is a joke .. moreso than 32bit |
| 00:30.45 | PresClinton | when I try to install KNetwork manager I get a pop up window saying 'Cannot install 'network manager-kde' This app conflicts with other installed software. To install 'networkmanagerkde' the conflicting soft must be removed first. Switch to the synaptic package manager to resolve |
| 00:30.46 | karsten | nil: I was trying to find a set of procmail filters Lars Wirzenius had originally written. He'd lost track of them too, wanted a copy if I found them. |
| 00:31.07 | nil | karsten: and you could find them? |
| 00:31.17 | karsten | nil: :) |
| 00:31.20 | nil | :) |
| 00:31.28 | karsten | nil: Just emailed him back with the URL. |
| 00:31.46 | karsten | nil: I don't think we've got sources, will check though. |
| 00:31.46 | nil | karsten: you know the Linus quote about backups and ftp :) |
| 00:31.54 | karsten | nil: Heh. |
| 00:32.08 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: I thought you were all in a tizzy about reinstalling windows. |
| 00:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: By the way, there's lots of good info to be had by googling "vista debian dual boot". |
| 00:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: In the network manger case, use aptitude or synaptic, or figure out what the actual conflict is. |
| 00:33.02 | PresClinton | jhitchins yes it tells me how to install debian over vista but not vista over debian |
| 00:33.06 | barraponto_ | abrotman: there is, but no development has been done on it since 2008 |
| 00:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: There's more than one network manager. |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | barraponto_: AIUI, synaptic really is the best option currently |
| 00:33.22 | Mark_ | theres only one implicit disadvantage with amd64, and thats swollen pointers |
| 00:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: I found three hits on the first page that said how to install vista over debian. Fail. |
| 00:33.46 | Mark_ | but as far as 'disadvantages' go, that really is no big deal |
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| 00:34.02 | karsten | nil: That is *so* appropriate in this case. |
| 00:34.05 | dondelelcaro | Mark_: assuming you don't need to run some closed source apps, yes. at least, until we have multiarch |
| 00:34.16 | PresClinton | when I try what they say windows pops up with an error msg saying 'cannot find drive letter'. LOTs of people have this issue with no resolve. I am currently trying to fix the issues with debian not install vista. |
| 00:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm?page=4 |
| 00:34.52 | PresClinton | Ending with Fail is juvenile and somewhat attacking my stupidity so please try harder with your ego...thanks |
| 00:35.08 | Mark_ | or you could just use opensolaris, theres no difference between x86/amd64, it determines at runtime |
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| 00:35.59 | dondelelcaro | PresClinton: your last paste is just the lspci output, what is the current, actual problem and pasted output from it? |
| 00:36.01 | karsten | mn/win 11 |
| 00:36.13 | chelz | jhutchins_lt: i linked to that up a ways |
| 00:36.21 | valium | hi all just a quick one - I cant seem to get X and i see now that xorg no longer uses xorg.conf -- how do i change x display settings now? |
| 00:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | chelz: thx. |
| 00:36.46 | dondelelcaro | valium: it does, but it doesn't rquire one. |
| 00:36.55 | nevyn | valium: there's this theory that it justworks[TM] |
| 00:37.05 | valium | nevyn - nice theory |
| 00:37.22 | PresClinton | dondelelcaro I have no way of showing what issue I have. My network devices show my wireless card but it cannot be configured. I am currently downloading another program just to show networks within range and correcting a conflict Debian is having within two programs. |
| 00:37.30 | dondelelcaro | it does just work a surprisingly large amount of time |
| 00:37.37 | jhutchins_lt | valium: For the most part it autodetects and autoconfigures, you can still override it with xorg.conf or use xrandr. |
| 00:37.51 | valium | so how do you change X settings if there is no conf |
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| 00:38.05 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: except on laptops and media centres and TV's/projectors that lie |
| 00:38.10 | dondelelcaro | PresClinton: so what happens when you run ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist wlan0 scan; or whatever is appropriate |
| 00:38.26 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: even on them, surprisingly... |
| 00:38.27 | chelz | sevard: sudo dpkg -i downloaded_package.deb && sudo apt-get -f install |
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| 00:38.34 | chelz | not sure how debian people feel about sudo, but i like it |
| 00:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | !tell PresClinton about wifi |
| 00:38.43 | hramrach | valium: repends on the settings you want to change and X version |
| 00:38.43 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 00:38.43 | nevyn | sudo is ftw. |
| 00:38.57 | dondelelcaro | valium: depends on the configuration that you want to change |
| 00:38.58 | Shadowcat | wonders how Microsoft expects people to upgrade to IE8 when the download site is broken |
| 00:39.04 | Shadowcat | god I HATE microsoft |
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| 00:39.19 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:39.29 | nevyn | microsoft are less bad than apple. |
| 00:39.42 | Shadowcat | I actually run all three |
| 00:39.47 | dondelelcaro | whatever microsoft is, it's not on topic here. |
| 00:39.52 | Shadowcat | debian server, apple client, and I'm trying to fix XP in vmware |
| 00:39.59 | PresClinton | jhutchins that info has been sent to me before. it does not provide information that can correct my issue. I am installing a network manager atm and will see what results that gives me. |
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| 00:40.01 | Shadowcat | right, back to work |
| 00:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: Dude, you need to actually follow the appropriate links and read the pages. |
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| 00:41.06 | PresClinton | I did. I had a network manager but I was told to get a different one. I figured out the conflict and installed the suggested network manager. so Dude, please ignore me if I annoy you with my stupidity. |
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| 00:41.57 | Shadowcat | speaking of, is anyone running adobe under Wine? |
| 00:42.44 | nevyn | hrm I'm sure adobe runs wine somewhere. |
| 00:42.44 | Shadowcat | Adobe is pretty much the only thing keeping me from running linux as a client again :( |
| 00:42.58 | raddy | /msg join #ubuntu |
| 00:42.59 | Bop | anyone uses breakin diagnostics software ? |
| 00:43.03 | nevyn | hrm you let companies dictate what software to use? |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | raddy: /join #debian |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | erm .. whatever channel |
| 00:43.19 | Shadowcat | nevyn: I do advanced graphics editing and publishing |
| 00:43.27 | Shadowcat | I don't have much of a choice do I? |
| 00:43.29 | nevyn | Shadowcat: you use a whole company to do that? |
| 00:43.33 | raddy | /join ubuntu |
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| 00:43.43 | nevyn | wishes he had that kind of power. |
| 00:44.14 | Shadowcat | nevyn: Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Soundbooth, and Premiere Pro |
| 00:44.20 | nevyn | ah. |
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| 00:44.37 | Shadowcat | at least OS X is unix enough to give me a shell |
| 00:44.48 | nevyn | ok so photoshop is known to work on wine reasonably appdb is probably worth looking at. |
| 00:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Adobe what? |
| 00:44.53 | hramrach | Shadowcat: try crossover office r what are they named currently. you should be able to run more recent Adobe products than with Wine alone |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: you'd probably have better luck asking #winehq |
| 00:45.10 | Shadowcat | sigh I guess |
| 00:45.16 | Shadowcat | it's not easy trying to learn three oses |
| 00:45.54 | chelz | Shadowcat: using a seamless mode with virtualbox with xp would allow you to run adobe stuff pretty well. there's also vmware but it's pricey. |
| 00:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Yet once you've gotten fast your first two or three, the OS itself becomes less relevant. |
| 00:46.18 | chelz | with the seamless stuff it all is quite native. virtualbox's shared folders also works great in all the XPs i've tried |
| 00:46.20 | nevyn | Shadowcat: I don't understand pro graphics well enough to understand why inkscape, scribus, and cinepaint arn't alternatives. |
| 00:46.21 | PresClinton | i understand shadowcat. im trying to learn one and people get all pissy because I dont understand the basics after using the OS for 3-4 hours |
| 00:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: There are also some pretty advanced graphics/publishing tools in the *nix world, they're just not as well known or as easy to learn. |
| 00:46.44 | Shadowcat | what jhutchins_lt said |
| 00:46.55 | karsten | nil: *and* I found the sources as well. This *so* rocks. |
| 00:46.56 | Shadowcat | plus, if you want to get taken seriously in the publishing world you kind of need Indesign on the CV |
| 00:47.01 | nevyn | so network effect? |
| 00:47.04 | barraponto | i've got a ppa file and i want cups to read it in order to get my printer working... how should i proceed? |
| 00:47.11 | chelz | PresClinton: well part of learning is searching for the answer and reading until you get the answer, rather than asking others to walk you through |
| 00:47.21 | nevyn | I use foo because everyone in the industry uses foo? |
| 00:47.26 | chelz | PresClinton: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:47.31 | Shadowcat | nevyn: you do if you want to get a job |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | Shadowcat: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:47.49 | Shadowcat | fine :( |
| 00:48.02 | PresClinton | im merely trying to get wifi working so I can go home and firgure it all out :) one simple thing and it seems to be complicated even for this channel as a whole. |
| 00:48.07 | dondelelcaro | barraponto: you just select it when you add the printer |
| 00:48.20 | nevyn | PresClinton: where are you up to? |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | nevyn: sorry, you should have gotten the "#debian-offtopic" too |
| 00:48.35 | nevyn | abrotman: yeah that's reasonable ;) |
| 00:48.51 | nil | smiles at karsten's enthusiasm |
| 00:48.56 | chelz | PresClinton: eh you might not be familiar with the topics of linux on the desktop these days but wifi has been one of the bigger issues. it's always getting better, but it is one of the most likely things to not work out of the box. |
| 00:49.09 | PresClinton | i am in CO atm and im trying to figure out how to use the network manager as its not listed in any menu items |
| 00:49.23 | nevyn | PresClinton: CO? |
| 00:49.30 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: it's usually a system tray item. |
| 00:49.33 | PresClinton | Chelz yes thats why I am here as everything I have found in within searching google has come up wrong or not there. |
| 00:49.37 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: There are docs. |
| 00:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: There are howtos. |
| 00:49.55 | nevyn | PresClinton: does iwconfig show your wifi card? |
| 00:49.56 | barraponto | dondelelcaro: yeah, but how do i add a printer |
| 00:50.03 | PresClinton | I've read the documents and howtos. Nothing is working. thats why i am here |
| 00:50.05 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: And yet we got to where we are by following those very same pages. |
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| 00:50.08 | barraponto | it's one of those old non-usb printers... |
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| 00:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: We're much better at answering specific questions than dealing with "nothing's working, this is all wrong". |
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| 00:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: If it were all wrong, nobody would be running Debian. |
| 00:51.20 | PresClinton | jhutchins im no further than I was when I started |
| 00:51.22 | Shadowcat | I actually agree that complete OS noobs should start with ubuntu first |
| 00:51.25 | barraponto | actually it is a lpt1 printer... |
| 00:51.27 | PresClinton | again if you dont like me ignore me |
| 00:51.30 | nevyn | PresClinton: does iwconfig show your wifi card? |
| 00:51.31 | Shadowcat | then break it a few times |
| 00:51.34 | Shadowcat | then move on to debian |
| 00:51.43 | Shadowcat | lspci |
| 00:51.48 | Shadowcat | see if there's a wireless card in there |
| 00:51.53 | chelz | Shadowcat: i'm not sure what official channel policy is on advocating other distros actually |
| 00:51.55 | barraponto | how should i install a lpt1 printer? i've got the ppa file. |
| 00:51.59 | Shadowcat | if your wireless card is broadcom, it will be a bitch to get going |
| 00:52.01 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: there is |
| 00:52.02 | PresClinton | Nevyn it used to show the card but suggestions by others has removed it. let me see if I can get it back. one second |
| 00:52.25 | PresClinton | atheros |
| 00:52.27 | dondelelcaro | barraponto: same way, you just use /dev/lp0 instead. |
| 00:52.48 | Shadowcat | chelz: not advocating really |
| 00:53.03 | Shadowcat | if lspci shows your wireless card |
| 00:53.06 | barraponto | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll try it out. should i use the web interface? |
| 00:53.08 | nevyn | Shadowcat: let's not deal with if. let's work out what he has and work from a position of knowledge rather that speculating on things that might be broken |
| 00:53.14 | Shadowcat | you don't need iwconfig to configure it |
| 00:53.26 | dondelelcaro | barraponto: that's the easiest way |
| 00:53.38 | Shadowcat | nevyn: yes, my experience is that you don't need iwconfig at all |
| 00:53.41 | Shadowcat | at least I never needed it |
| 00:53.46 | gusnan | Using audacious on testing, I am having problems updating the metadata of files (I get the message "Metadata updating failed") - Does anyone else see this? |
| 00:53.49 | nevyn | Shadowcat: network manager uses it under the hood tho. |
| 00:53.55 | Shadowcat | if it shows up as a nic normal ifconfig tools will configure it |
| 00:54.08 | Shadowcat | nevyn: hmm with the GUI yes |
| 00:54.10 | nevyn | Shadowcat: so if iwconfig can't "see" the nic then you're sol. |
| 00:54.15 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: you may not, but if iwconfig works, everything else has a chance. |
| 00:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: They don't usually handle the encryption stuff. |
| 00:54.26 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 00:54.34 | nevyn | Shadowcat: ifconfig doesn't handle essid selection or any of that stuff. |
| 00:54.37 | nevyn | Shadowcat: iwconfig does. |
| 00:54.43 | Shadowcat | nevyn: good point |
| 00:54.53 | Shadowcat | has he rebooted? |
| 00:55.07 | Shadowcat | udev does a pretty good job of putting everything back where it should be |
| 00:55.13 | PresClinton | wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 00:55.14 | Shadowcat | then he can see if iwconfig sees it |
| 00:55.16 | PresClinton | this is my card yes? |
| 00:55.26 | Shadowcat | I'm interested in knowing what card it is |
| 00:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 00:55.26 | nevyn | PresClinton: excellent. yes. |
| 00:55.29 | dondelelcaro | and there are at least three of us here who know wi wireless-tools well |
| 00:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: atheros |
| 00:55.43 | Shadowcat | jhutchins_lt: :/ |
| 00:56.02 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: What do you want to do next? |
| 00:56.14 | Shadowcat | if iwconfig sees it |
| 00:56.15 | nevyn | PresClinton: do you have nm-tool installed? |
| 00:56.25 | jalalsfs | I want buy laptop with linux, debian, or with out windwos, I want dell or hp, Where can I see? |
| 00:56.31 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, too many recipies. |
| 00:56.36 | PresClinton | ok I got it back that far. now how do I manage it, connect to wifi signals? network devices requires usernames and keys. what if I need to connect to open connections? (this is prob something I could google jhut) |
| 00:56.57 | nevyn | PresClinton: ok so this is usually managed by network manager. |
| 00:57.02 | Shadowcat | jalalsfs: call Dell and buy a business laptop |
| 00:57.07 | Shadowcat | they allow you to remove the os |
| 00:57.15 | Shadowcat | nevyn: that's what I was thinking |
| 00:57.20 | nil | jalalsfs: http://www.dell.com http://www.hp.com/ :) |
| 00:57.20 | dondelelcaro | or by writing wpa supplicant configuration files |
| 00:57.29 | Shadowcat | provided all the pipes are there you should be able to use the GUI to configure the card |
| 00:57.35 | PresClinton | I just downloaded network manager but it doesnt show in the lists of software installed in the drop down menus at top |
| 00:57.38 | nevyn | Shadowcat: let's test that. |
| 00:57.50 | nevyn | PresClinton: network manager provides the infrastructure bit. |
| 00:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | jalalsfs: Dell & HP are pretty much limited to bottom-end netbooks. |
| 00:57.53 | chelz | jalalsfs: http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
| 00:57.58 | Shadowcat | PresClinton: did you install packages individually, or by selecting a desktop task? |
| 00:58.01 | nevyn | PresClinton: you need a gui frontend tool to talk to it. |
| 00:58.09 | Shadowcat | wait... |
| 00:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | chelz: Ooh, good link! |
| 00:58.10 | chelz | jalalsfs: that's on http://www.debian.org/distrib/ "Buy a computer with Debian pre-installed. " |
| 00:58.10 | jalalsfs | nil: Thank you, but I not found with out operting system. |
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| 00:58.18 | Shadowcat | doesn't selecting the desktop task install all this? |
| 00:58.26 | PresClinton | why doesnt it just come all together like any other OS? |
| 00:58.35 | nil | jalalsfs: i've heard of ubuntu on Dell |
| 00:58.36 | Shadowcat | .... it DOES |
| 00:58.37 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Desktop doesn't assume wifi. |
| 00:58.39 | jalalsfs | chelz: Thank you. |
| 00:58.44 | Shadowcat | jhutchins_lt: but laptop does |
| 00:58.45 | dondelelcaro | PresClinton: it does if you select the right options... |
| 00:58.46 | chelz | jalalsfs: thanks for using debian :) |
| 00:58.48 | Shadowcat | doesn't it? |
| 00:58.51 | PresClinton | what is the front end called or do you have to write it yourself? |
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| 00:59.00 | PresClinton | hey even my wifi light is working now. amazing |
| 00:59.03 | nevyn | PresClinton: you need network-manager-gnome or knetworkmanager to provide the gui frontend bit. |
| 00:59.09 | nil | jalalsfs: I've never heard of Debian on Dell, nor of bare HP/Dell |
| 00:59.13 | Shadowcat | if laptop doesn't include wifi it'd be a pretty stupid task |
| 00:59.18 | dondelelcaro | nil |
| 00:59.24 | Shadowcat | nevyn: is he running debian stable? |
| 00:59.27 | jalalsfs | nil: Is there without any operting system? |
| 00:59.33 | PresClinton | ok Nevyn thank you I will try to find that one |
| 00:59.37 | Shadowcat | PresClinton: what debian are you running? |
| 00:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Yes, at least that. |
| 00:59.43 | PresClinton | amd64 |
| 00:59.47 | dondelelcaro | nil: hp sells them, but I'm not sure about consumer-level hardware |
| 00:59.48 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 00:59.50 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 00:59.56 | Shadowcat | install the entire gnome metapackage |
| 00:59.58 | Shadowcat | everything |
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| 01:00.09 | Shadowcat | then install the desktop and laptop tasks |
| 01:00.16 | Shadowcat | if that doesn't cover it, nothing will |
| 01:00.21 | PresClinton | shadow are you talking to me? |
| 01:00.23 | chelz | hp does support debian officially on higher up hardware. i have a ml160 and it's not officially supported but debian runs like a dream on it. |
| 01:00.26 | Shadowcat | PresClinton: yes |
| 01:00.35 | nevyn | PresClinton: do you have nm-tool installed? |
| 01:00.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
| 01:00.39 | Shadowcat | you're not skilled enough yet to select individual packages, so install everything |
| 01:00.40 | PresClinton | thats not good |
| 01:00.40 | chelz | PresClinton: yeah if you want a desktop system the gnome metapackage would be pretty good |
| 01:00.45 | PresClinton | I dont think so Nevyn |
| 01:00.59 | nevyn | presclinton this is a commandline tool to report on network manager |
| 01:01.05 | chelz | PresClinton: how about installing the metapackage, then uninstalling stuff you find you're not using after you're sure you don't need it |
| 01:01.09 | nevyn | PresClinton: did you check? or did you just assume you don't have it? |
| 01:01.15 | PresClinton | desktop is good until I figure out the commands in terminal. I grew up in the DOS world so GUI isnt needed mostly |
| 01:01.20 | Shadowcat | nevyn: just tell him to install everything |
| 01:01.32 | PresClinton | I dont know how to check I just assume most things in life. Like how much bridges can hold etc |
| 01:01.34 | Shadowcat | it'll save us all a lot of time, instead of going through his system package by package |
| 01:01.48 | Shadowcat | aptitude update; aptitude install gnome |
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| 01:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: aptitude install desktop laptop |
| 01:02.18 | nevyn | PresClinton: type nm-tool in a terminal and see if it says "command not found" or something else. |
| 01:02.20 | PresClinton | wait............what should I install first. you guys are coming from all over with install this and that |
| 01:02.35 | nevyn | PresClinton: too many cooks I think ;) |
| 01:02.41 | PresClinton | it gave me IP and subnet and other things |
| 01:02.47 | nevyn | ok. |
| 01:02.49 | chelz | nevyn: nonono, it'll taste delicious just wait |
| 01:03.00 | PresClinton | I guess I have it |
| 01:03.04 | nevyn | right. |
| 01:03.04 | chelz | PresClinton: run the thing Shadowcat said |
| 01:03.18 | PresClinton | from synaptic manager?? |
| 01:03.21 | chelz | or jhutchins_lt rather |
| 01:03.22 | chelz | sure |
| 01:03.31 | Shadowcat | I would say run both |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | maybve just one person should help him? |
| 01:03.35 | Shadowcat | it won't really hurt |
| 01:03.39 | nevyn | stops. |
| 01:03.42 | Shadowcat | but yes, I should get back to work |
| 01:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: We're suggesting a quicker command line command, aptitude. |
| 01:03.51 | barraponto | dondelelcaro: wow everything working alright here! thanks a lot! |
| 01:03.54 | barraponto | dondelelcaro++ |
| 01:03.55 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: Need to run it as root. |
| 01:04.05 | nevyn | waits for hardware. |
| 01:04.11 | dondelelcaro | barraponto: cool; glad it's working |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | i'm just saying that you might be confusing him, you're all talking at the same time |
| 01:04.18 | nevyn | hates that buying linux hardware is still way too hard. |
| 01:04.22 | PresClinton | is the red error box normal when running apptitude? |
| 01:04.35 | nevyn | I did accidentally buy supported hardware which was interesting. |
| 01:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: Not if you run the commands we suggested as root. |
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| 01:04.52 | PresClinton | could not get lock /var/lib/dbkg/lock 11 resources tremp not avail |
| 01:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: You are not root. |
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| 01:05.31 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: You can also run it under sudo, but sudo is not set up by default. |
| 01:05.31 | dondelelcaro | or you have another aptitude or dpkg running... |
| 01:05.37 | chelz | must become root |
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| 01:05.42 | chelz | yeah or synaptic |
| 01:05.43 | PresClinton | I clicked root term for a second time. still get the red box |
| 01:05.49 | chelz | PresClinton: close synaptic |
| 01:06.11 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: Only one package management tool can change the package configuration at a time. |
| 01:06.37 | PresClinton | ok that worked |
| 01:06.58 | PresClinton | install all 20975 packages? |
| 01:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 01:07.12 | chelz | indeed |
| 01:07.13 | chelz | aptitude update && aptitude install desktop laptop gnome |
| 01:07.24 | chelz | btw is installing debian primarily through a net install an okay thing these days? seems like it's unnecessarily hard on servers |
| 01:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | PresClinton: Gnome is not the lightest weight environment, but it's pretty complete. |
| 01:07.30 | PresClinton | i knew 100MB connection was needed for something |
| 01:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | chelz: Yeah, recommended unless you have a big site, in which case there are local caching programs. |
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| 01:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | chelz: net install only downloads necessary packages, so less traffic over all. |
| 01:08.28 | PresClinton | aptitude |
| 01:08.31 | PresClinton | oops |
| 01:08.39 | nevyn | chelz: installing debian has always been primarily net-install in my world. |
| 01:08.52 | ColdStart | how can i control internet access to different applications in Debian? For example in XP i had a firewall and could deny to particular applications to connect to internet...how can i do it under Debian? |
| 01:09.09 | nevyn | chelz: as opposed to other distributions where you install stuff from dvd/CD and then update half of it because it's had security updates. |
| 01:09.19 | chelz | nevyn: heh something like that |
| 01:09.25 | cretsiah | net install (providing using wired connection) saves alot of buggarising around :) |
| 01:09.34 | PresClinton | aptitude |
| 01:09.38 | PresClinton | this isnt working |
| 01:09.44 | PresClinton | :| |
| 01:09.51 | chelz | ah ok. i've seen people advoating for the netinstall and i like being a "good citizen" that downloads DVDs through torrents saving bw for servers. i guess if it's okay for the servers then i'll do more netinstall stuff. |
| 01:10.10 | chelz | PresClinton: might want to provide a bit more detail |
| 01:10.47 | PresClinton | I highlight the 21K packages I dont have installed and then click actions and install and all it wants to do is remove 1.1MB of stuff I already hace |
| 01:10.49 | PresClinton | *have |
| 01:10.54 | ColdStart | how can i control internet access to different applications in Debian? For example in XP i had a firewall and could deny to particular applications to connect to internet...how can i do it under Debian? |
| 01:11.23 | chelz | in PresClinton's case, would it hurt anything to use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 01:11.34 | nevyn | ColdStart: egress control is reasonably uncommon on unix but iptables is perfectly capable of it. |
| 01:11.37 | chelz | i personally mostly use apt-get but debian people seem to really be into aptitude |
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| 01:12.18 | nevyn | chelz: aptitude has significantly better dependancy resolution around things like suggests and recommends |
| 01:12.21 | ColdStart | nevyn>: so what would be typical actions? |
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| 01:12.36 | chelz | ah |
| 01:12.45 | nevyn | ColdStart: there's a howto for iptables. |
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| 01:12.58 | nevyn | ColdStart: but why are you doing this? |
| 01:13.23 | PresClinton | Nevyn I click 'not installed packages' and then what?? actions/install doesnt do anything |
| 01:13.26 | chelz | PresClinton: are you running it like this: aptitude update && aptitude install desktop laptop gnome |
| 01:13.26 | nevyn | egress control firewalls in windows are often used because the software is basically untrustworthy. |
| 01:13.37 | chelz | PresClinton: exit the interface, you can do it all with that one line |
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| 01:13.47 | PresClinton | jeez |
| 01:13.54 | nevyn | mentions that perhaps synaptic wasn't such a bad idea. |
| 01:13.55 | ColdStart | nevyn: to be sure that neither of the installed software would try to get online :) |
| 01:14.37 | PresClinton | ok its doing a lot of stuff now. Im going to go smoke some cancer I will be back soon. |
| 01:14.45 | PresClinton | somebody guard my puter |
| 01:15.40 | nevyn | ColdStart: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dest-port 5000 -j REJECT |
| 01:15.50 | nevyn | ColdStart: none? |
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| 01:16.08 | nevyn | ColdStart: just don't install a network interface... |
| 01:16.09 | nevyn | easy |
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| 01:16.38 | nevyn | ColdStart: or set the output chain policy to REJECT and add a allow rule for your local network |
| 01:16.45 | ColdStart | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.48 | nevyn | s/a/an/g |
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| 01:17.26 | nevyn | ColdStart: that example rejects all access to anywhere on port 5000 |
| 01:17.51 | chelz | per application iptables is interesting |
| 01:17.54 | nevyn | ColdStart: you can do it by pid. but you're making life QUITE complicated. |
| 01:18.15 | nevyn | per application iptables would require the use of the iptables-owner module? |
| 01:18.35 | nevyn | ColdStart: the question remains WHY you want to do egress control. |
| 01:18.57 | chelz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6091 |
| 01:19.01 | nevyn | ingress control is understandable. |
| 01:19.29 | ColdStart | well to prohibite internet access to some of the installed applications...simple |
| 01:19.34 | PresClinton | ok Nevyn the command you suggested to enter into terminal is complete. what did that do for me? |
| 01:19.59 | nevyn | see that's EVIL |
| 01:20.10 | nevyn | chelz: evil. |
| 01:20.17 | chelz | nevyn: ? |
| 01:20.39 | esaym153 | how to execute a script to change the shell motd each time someone logs in? |
| 01:21.01 | chelz | this probably could be done, but there would have to be some kind of daemon that updates iptables when an application is started. i'm not sure how to trigger scans of the daemon to ensure no applications that aren't meant to reach the internet read it |
| 01:21.03 | nevyn | ColdStart: why would you prohibit internet access to installed applications.? |
| 01:21.21 | ColdStart | nevyn, so that they dont access internet :) |
| 01:21.27 | nevyn | chelz: making fragile complicated configurations that bite you in the ass. |
| 01:21.32 | nevyn | ColdStart: which applications? |
| 01:21.44 | chelz | nevyn: eh well it could be figured as a form of least-authority security stuff |
| 01:21.56 | chelz | which actually might work in this case. not sure if SELinux has network stuff |
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| 01:22.13 | chelz | ColdStart: you could look into apparmor, grsecurity, selinux |
| 01:22.22 | nevyn | chelz: selinux can do this sort of crazy crack. but. we're in the realm of stuff that's really whack. |
| 01:22.25 | PresClinton | Nevyn: terminal command has completed. What did it just do? |
| 01:22.36 | chelz | nevyn: as long as it works :) |
| 01:22.36 | nevyn | PresClinton: which terminal command? |
| 01:22.45 | PresClinton | aptitude update && aptitude install desktop laptop gnome |
| 01:22.55 | chelz | does PresClinton need to reboot? |
| 01:23.06 | PresClinton | rebooting is fun. |
| 01:23.07 | nevyn | chelz: bite your tounge. |
| 01:23.34 | PresClinton | I thought about rebooting. Also thought about throwing my notebook in the fire. |
| 01:23.39 | nevyn | PresClinton: check you're in the appropriate groups for network-manager |
| 01:23.46 | chelz | hey i'm asking, since i don't know for sure. seems like it would be a good thing to do. i mean logging out and logging back in, or killing x, or messing with runlevels might also work |
| 01:24.28 | nevyn | PresClinton: so you need to be in netdev and you always want to be in plugdev |
| 01:24.40 | nevyn | chelz: make sure he's in the right GROUP before relogging in. |
| 01:24.46 | PresClinton | where can I find a site that explains what groups are for a network manager so I can answer your question |
| 01:24.49 | nevyn | cause groups are only read at login. |
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| 01:24.55 | ColdStart | im thinking after 3-2 month of bying a Desktop PC... i wonder if i would get Pentium 4x or even 6x Core Processor, and then put Linux there, after appropriate tweaking will i get a fast machine or not |
| 01:25.00 | nevyn | PresClinton: I just said. it's netdev and plugdev |
| 01:25.11 | ColdStart | im primarily going to run some simulation and Digital logic synthesing software |
| 01:25.28 | PresClinton | i tried entering netdev and plugdev into terminal (root) but commands arent found |
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| 01:25.54 | nevyn | PresClinton: type id |
| 01:25.58 | PresClinton | on the bright side, my wifi light is still on |
| 01:26.02 | chelz | nevyn: ah, alright. good to know |
| 01:26.25 | PresClinton | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 01:26.43 | nevyn | PresClinton: you have a normal user account right? |
| 01:26.49 | chelz | PresClinton: use the nonroot terminal |
| 01:27.01 | nevyn | do this in a normal terminal not a root terminal |
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| 01:27.22 | PresClinton | uid=1000(kuntmold) gid=1000(kuntmold) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),111(netdev),117(powerdev),1000(kuntmold) |
| 01:27.47 | PresClinton | that gave me more info I have no idea about |
| 01:28.08 | PresClinton | (i didnt think my username was important so maybe at some point we can change it?) |
| 01:28.50 | nevyn | PresClinton: the important thing is. that netdev is in the list. |
| 01:28.55 | ColdStart | Do u think its reasonable buy 4x core Processor for running Linux? or 2x? |
| 01:29.01 | nevyn | ok so logout and login again |
| 01:29.06 | ColdStart | i know it depends on software utilization of resources...but stil... |
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| 01:29.22 | PresClinton | login to which of the 4 kernal options? |
| 01:29.24 | mnuhmnuh | dpkg apt-file |
| 01:29.24 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 01:29.25 | simonrvn | ColdStart: you get what you need for the job you wanna do. |
| 01:29.32 | karsten | ColdStart: Dpeneds on the purpose, but there's certainly no harm in it. |
| 01:29.35 | PresClinton | i will just guess at one brb |
| 01:29.39 | chelz | ColdStart: same as any OS. debian won't need super hardware but ofc w/e you do will go faster on faster hardware |
| 01:29.49 | karsten | coif you're looking at mobile usage, power consumption / battery life is going to be a major concern. |
| 01:29.56 | nevyn | ColdStart: I'm loving it on these 2x4core nehalems we have |
| 01:29.57 | simonrvn | ColdStart: so if the job requires having a 6-proc box, go for it. |
| 01:30.23 | ColdStart | no...as i said, i will be running some synthesizing software |
| 01:30.31 | ColdStart | and it doesnt say it needs 6core proc |
| 01:30.32 | ColdStart | but |
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| 01:30.38 | ColdStart | i wonder if i'd run it on that machine |
| 01:30.44 | ColdStart | would it be faster or not |
| 01:30.45 | nevyn | ColdStart: does it have any sizing guidelines? |
| 01:30.54 | ColdStart | hm |
| 01:30.55 | nevyn | ColdStart: it depends on how the application is coded. |
| 01:31.04 | ColdStart | well yea i dont know how is it coded |
| 01:31.25 | nevyn | what are the guidelines for host sizing for the application (this is a HARD problem) |
| 01:31.48 | ColdStart | i think it doesnt say |
| 01:31.51 | nevyn | because application developers (even simulation developers) often have NO idea of the performance characteristics of their codee. |
| 01:31.54 | ColdStart | its just available for 644Linux |
| 01:31.59 | ColdStart | 64 bit lInux |
| 01:32.01 | ColdStart | Linux |
| 01:32.22 | nevyn | ColdStart: so. I'd suggest a minimum of a 2core system |
| 01:32.27 | ColdStart | yes and that does suck when programmers dont specify much on a hardware |
| 01:32.31 | nevyn | this will let your application use a whole core. |
| 01:32.32 | MarkB1 | what is there that can "hook into" KDE / dbus whatever, that can start pre-defined ssh-forwards & sshfs mounts (assuming pub/priv key logins)? |
| 01:32.55 | MarkB1 | upon a login to a GUI desktop? |
| 01:32.58 | ColdStart | i wonder if i would buy 4x core,or even 6x core...and put a Debian there... wouldnt that be overkill hardware resources which wont be ever used... |
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| 01:33.05 | ColdStart | (except that any custom application) |
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| 01:33.09 | nevyn | ColdStart: the system will use it. |
| 01:33.15 | nevyn | the application might not. |
| 01:33.26 | PresClinton | ok im back. my wifi light is still on yay |
| 01:33.32 | PresClinton | now to use it? |
| 01:33.35 | nevyn | ColdStart: the other thing is features like turboboost may be useful for this |
| 01:33.45 | ColdStart | im now running WindowsXp, and during synthesising process...after 25 minutes PC shuts down |
| 01:33.55 | nevyn | PresClinton: ok. so in the menu you should now have network-manager |
| 01:33.56 | ColdStart | and i have to do it again (it might or might not shutdown) |
| 01:34.06 | ColdStart | but my processor now is just 1.6Ghz Pentium Centrino |
| 01:34.07 | ColdStart | :) |
| 01:34.09 | ColdStart | on laptop |
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| 01:34.51 | PresClinton | i have network manager editor but no network manager |
| 01:36.40 | PresClinton | in devices - network toold when I select network device as wifi it lists the interface info as hardware addy: NA multicast: NA |
| 01:37.06 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 01:37.33 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 01:38.10 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: ifconfig && iwconfig |
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| 01:38.44 | PresClinton | want me to show you all that? |
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| 01:38.58 | PresClinton | whats the link to paste it all? |
| 01:39.07 | ColdStart | im looking now online on manuals about installing drivers for USB flash, and most of stuff i see is how to run Debian from there... all i need is how to attach USB flash for regular file copying? |
| 01:39.11 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: did it work? |
| 01:39.15 | ColdStart | anyone can help with that? |
| 01:39.30 | ColdStart | i just have 4gb flash which i wanna use as a storage stick |
| 01:39.36 | PresClinton | it listed a lot of things. whats the site where I can paste a lot of lines and give a link? |
| 01:39.38 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: pastbin? |
| 01:39.41 | PresClinton | yes |
| 01:39.42 | PresClinton | thanks |
| 01:40.14 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: :-) |
| 01:40.16 | PresClinton | http://pastebin.com/7rPeLVrK |
| 01:41.21 | PresClinton | did Navyn go nuts with all my newb ?'s |
| 01:41.52 | PresClinton | n*e |
| 01:42.32 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: change your essid now. :-( |
| 01:42.55 | PresClinton | change it to what? what is my essid anyway? |
| 01:43.16 | atomiku | I'm getting "CPU0: Temperature above threshold" then the cpu fan is being really noisy |
| 01:43.20 | atomiku | how can I turn down the CPU0 fan? :( |
| 01:43.38 | PresClinton | im thinking they will tell you to replace it not turn it down |
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| 01:43.50 | atomiku | only when it was having alot of cpu cycles |
| 01:43.53 | atomiku | but its idle at the moment |
| 01:44.01 | atomiku | and the fan hasn't turned back down |
| 01:44.06 | PresClinton | did you google it? |
| 01:44.09 | atomiku | I did indeed |
| 01:44.19 | atomiku | acpi can't seem to do anything with it |
| 01:44.25 | PresClinton | I did too. it says replace fan |
| 01:44.40 | PresClinton | clean it with bleach water |
| 01:44.51 | PresClinton | do you use your cdrom as a cup holder? |
| 01:45.07 | PresClinton | mnuhmnuh are you still reading my paste? |
| 01:45.11 | ColdStart | so anyone knows how to make USB flash working under Debian? |
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| 01:45.19 | atomiku | -_-; |
| 01:45.26 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: with gnome it should auto mount |
| 01:45.36 | PresClinton | I cant even get sound to work so dont listen to me |
| 01:45.47 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: "hpsetup". Still no IP associated with the interface, sorry. But you're secure on that IF. :-) |
| 01:45.52 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: if you don't have an auto mounter running then just use mount like mount /dev/foo /mnt |
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| 01:47.03 | PresClinton | hpsetup command not found in both terminals (root and plain) |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | how did we go from grub to the printer? |
| 01:48.20 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: "hpsetup" is your ESSID. See your http://pastebin.com/7rPeLVrK |
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| 01:48.55 | jhutchins_lt | atomiku: check top to see if you're running high cpu usage. |
| 01:48.56 | karsten | abrotman: don't ask, don't tell, remember? |
| 01:48.57 | ColdStart | tbsaunde, by the way, by default its KDE when isntalled Debian, now how could i change to GNOME? |
| 01:49.08 | jhutchins_lt | atomiku: Turning down the fan if the CPU is reporting high temps is a bad idea. |
| 01:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | atomiku: you might be able to use cpufreq-set to throttle the cpu back and cool it off. |
| 01:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | atomiku: I had mine go into full-cpu speed for a while ane cook my leg. |
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| 01:50.23 | PresClinton | nobody has any other ideas on how to get my wifi up? |
| 01:50.51 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: no, I believe its gnome |
| 01:51.02 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: apt-get install gnome |
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| 01:51.49 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: may I ask, which distro/install are you using? |
| 01:52.02 | PresClinton | debian amd64 |
| 01:52.11 | tbsaunde | mnuhmnuh: hpsetup is usually a bs network, you probably want to use a different network if you can |
| 01:53.17 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: me too, thx. |
| 01:53.39 | PresClinton | does your wifi work? |
| 01:54.10 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: was worried you're *buntu, in which case I might be hurting you. :-) |
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| 01:54.47 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: i don't use wifi. :-| |
| 01:54.48 | PresClinton | nope debian............................................might have to change to something else tho |
| 01:55.08 | PresClinton | do all linux distros have wifi issues? |
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| 01:55.26 | mnuhmnuh | tbsaunde: sorry, what's that mean? |
| 01:55.45 | magyar | hi, need to install gcc and automake etc. I recall there is a apt-get for the set of build utils |
| 01:56.07 | nil | magyar: build-essential |
| 01:56.14 | tbsaunde | mnuhmnuh: np, hpsetup in my experience is a network setup by hp printers that you may be able to connect to, but won't get you internet :( |
| 01:56.18 | magyar | nil, thank you |
| 01:56.54 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: no, wifi has issues with propritaryness. Broadcom binary blob + fwcutter? uglyness! |
| 01:57.30 | PresClinton | i have atheros and have issues. my wifi card is built in, do I need to buy another one just for debian? |
| 01:57.37 | mnuhmnuh | dpkg build-essential |
| 01:57.37 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 01:58.00 | PresClinton | where did nevyn goto? |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | has a theory |
| 01:58.37 | mnuhmnuh | PresClinton: from what i've heard, atheros is good. |
| 01:59.18 | PresClinton | not good enough for debian tho. im searching for sites for atheros issues on linux and i cant find much that seems to be able to help |
| 01:59.22 | tbsaunde | mnuhmnuh: the one atheros card I fiddled with I couldn't get working, but I've heard the same |
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| 02:00.52 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: which kernel are you using? |
| 02:01.23 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: if iwlist finds ssid's you its probably working for you |
| 02:02.13 | PresClinton | kernal? where does it list the kernal name? somebody had me download another one earlier |
| 02:02.15 | mnuhmnuh | tbsaunde: :-) I don't use it, but watch it for people I support. Cf. Facebook. Ick. |
| 02:02.30 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: I don't know how to use network mangler, but without it running iwconfig wlanx essid foo then dhclient wlanx should work |
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| 02:03.10 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: uname -r |
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| 02:03.37 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: wlanx is your wireless interface probably wlan0 |
| 02:03.39 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: it's kernel |
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| 02:04.03 | PresClinton | 2.6.32-bpo.3amd64 |
| 02:04.16 | PresClinton | somebody had me add the bpo on |
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| 02:05.05 | SerajewelKS | yeah, 2.6.32 tends to be better with atheros chipsets |
| 02:05.22 | PresClinton | I can reboot without the bpo |
| 02:05.47 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 02:06.16 | SerajewelKS | people who do shit without asking, trying to anticipate what our suggestion will be, rarely anticipate correctly |
| 02:06.54 | tbsaunde | == SerajewelKS |
| 02:06.59 | GhostlyDeath | How would I setup /etc/sudoers so user x can sudo into user y and z without a password? |
| 02:07.10 | GhostlyDeath | since x and y are /bin/false |
| 02:07.22 | GhostlyDeath | for a reason |
| 02:07.53 | SerajewelKS | tbsaunde: hrm? |
| 02:08.13 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: man 5 sudoers |
| 02:08.21 | djura-san | im off. night o/ |
| 02:08.40 | mnuhmnuh | SerajewelKS: "people who do shit without asking ..." What's that about? |
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| 02:08.57 | PresClinton | ok now my wifi light is off. we are moving backwards |
| 02:09.01 | SerajewelKS | mnuhmnuh: like "maybe i'll reboot into a different kernel, will that help?" then disappear and go do it without waiting for a response |
| 02:09.05 | GhostlyDeath | =/ |
| 02:09.15 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: that's because you didn't wait for me to tell you "no, don't reboot into the older kernel" |
| 02:09.38 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: 2.6.26 does not have great atheros support |
| 02:09.46 | PresClinton | it takes 30 seconds to reboot. ive been working at this for almost 10 hours now. no biggie |
| 02:09.57 | SerajewelKS | shrugs |
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| 02:10.12 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: it's in there, i promise you |
| 02:10.18 | mnuhmnuh | SerajewelKS: thx. :-| |
| 02:11.11 | GhostlyDeath | SerajewelKS: I don't understand the manual |
| 02:12.18 | GhostlyDeath | a ALL = NOPASSWD: x y? |
| 02:12.38 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: there is a rather large section of examples, if you learn better by example |
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| 02:13.25 | PresClinton | okay next idea? |
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| 02:13.38 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: which AP are you trying to associate with? |
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| 02:13.52 | PresClinton | what an AP? |
| 02:14.14 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: what is the name of the wireless network? ap is the same thing |
| 02:14.32 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: access point |
| 02:15.03 | PresClinton | any! i want a list of signals my card can see and nothing shows me this |
| 02:16.00 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: what happens when you run iwlist wlan0 scan ? (as root) |
| 02:16.28 | PresClinton | before nothing happened lets try again |
| 02:17.01 | Bop | anyone uses breakin diagnostics software ? |
| 02:17.57 | PresClinton | http://pastebin.com/XPdCGNyM |
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| 02:18.42 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use |
| 02:18.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:19.00 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: it helps if you type the commands people give you instead of making up your own |
| 02:19.18 | PresClinton | http://pastebin.com/P9JA5wux |
| 02:19.30 | PresClinton | I was getting to it and be easy on me I thought they were two different ones |
| 02:19.42 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: ok so it found the "hpsetup" access point |
| 02:19.42 | PresClinton | My first day using Linux! slap |
| 02:19.54 | PresClinton | ok |
| 02:19.56 | dotCOMmie | hpsetup is adhoc |
| 02:20.07 | dotCOMmie | not AP |
| 02:20.13 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: ok but we assume that you can run the commands we give you, otherwise there's not much we can do |
| 02:20.31 | PresClinton | .........like I said I thought it was two different ones. |
| 02:20.32 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie: well, network, whatever. the point is that his card is working. |
| 02:20.57 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: for future reference, if they were two different ones they would have a ; or a && between them |
| 02:21.01 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: yes, since you see hpsetup your card works |
| 02:21.06 | PresClinton | ok so how do I see a list of networks available around me |
| 02:21.11 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: that is the list |
| 02:21.16 | PresClinton | and I kinow for fact more than just HP is around |
| 02:21.23 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: there are no networks available around you, except for that hpsetup one, which is crap |
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| 02:22.01 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: try scanning a few times every 5 seconds or so, see if any other cells pop up |
| 02:22.18 | PresClinton | my blackberry can see 11 APs |
| 02:22.45 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: that does not necessarily imply that your laptop has the same range, though one would expect a laptop to have more range. is it possible that these APs are cloaked? |
| 02:22.45 | PresClinton | ok now it sees more. |
| 02:22.53 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: ok. |
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| 02:23.28 | PresClinton | ok so where can I get a program that I can point and click my way to connecting to a network within range of my notebooks card? |
| 02:23.39 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: aptitude install network-manager-gnome |
| 02:24.33 | PresClinton | I already had that. How to I start the program? Its not in any dropdown menu |
| 02:24.54 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: it should already be running in your notification area |
| 02:24.57 | dotCOMmie | Bop: check out snort, I don't use it but have heard good thing about it |
| 02:25.23 | PresClinton | amazing. you guys fixed it |
| 02:25.28 | PresClinton | ok now I need sound |
| 02:25.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell PresClinton about alsa one-liner |
| 02:25.45 | Bop | dotCOMmie, i dont want no network intrusion detection system |
| 02:26.13 | PresClinton | jeez |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's a bit out of date |
| 02:26.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: for lenny? |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | pretty sure ... |
| 02:27.12 | dotCOMmie | Bop: you want to analyze logs and etc? |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | i guess installing alsa-utils is still useful :) |
| 02:27.28 | Bop | dotCOMmie, hardware diagnostics |
| 02:27.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well then somebody should fix it! |
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| 02:28.08 | PresClinton | yeah that alsamixer didnt help hours ago when I tried it |
| 02:28.20 | PresClinton | debian allows me to play and hear DVDs, yes? |
| 02:28.20 | dotCOMmie | Bop: Oh you mean like hardware break in not as in analysis of a security break in. d: |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | PresClinton: you sohuld start with a more simple audio test |
| 02:28.48 | Bop | dotCOMmie, breakin is the name of the software , in this case |
| 02:29.07 | SerajewelKS | Bop: "does anyone use X" is not a question that we can answer. ask a real question, see if you get a response. |
| 02:29.10 | PresClinton | whats more simple? beeps? |
| 02:29.32 | Bop | ok |
| 02:29.32 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: playing a WAV file for example |
| 02:29.35 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: do you have beeps? |
| 02:29.36 | dotCOMmie | Bop: is it debian packaged? |
| 02:29.51 | Bop | does anyone achieved to compile breakin diagnostics in 32-bit ? |
| 02:29.57 | Bop | dotCOMmie, no |
| 02:29.59 | PresClinton | ok I turned all levels up but the sound is barely coming out |
| 02:30.01 | dotCOMmie | Bop: link? |
| 02:30.14 | Bop | dotCOMmie, http://www.advancedclustering.com/software/breakin.html |
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| 02:30.27 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: does the laptop have a hard volume control on the side or something? |
| 02:30.37 | PresClinton | no its not that old |
| 02:30.55 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: are the master *and* PCM sliders all the way up? |
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| 02:31.27 | PresClinton | yes they are up into the red all the way across |
| 02:31.39 | SerajewelKS | fun |
| 02:32.03 | dotCOMmie | Bop: you want to trigger temp related problems? |
| 02:32.11 | PresClinton | the keyboard volume shortcut only controls debians master volume |
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| 02:32.28 | Bop | no , i having trouble compiling that |
| 02:32.43 | hatter_ | apt has started trying to resolv ipv6 addresses, where do i tell it to use ipv4 ? |
| 02:33.03 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: it should only do that if you have the ipv6 module loaded |
| 02:34.03 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, thx, yep ipv6 is loaded, when i try to rmmod it, it says : ERROR: Module ip46 is in use |
| 02:35.19 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: blacklist the ipv6 module and reboot |
| 02:37.18 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, is it easier to make ipv6 work ? should i add an ipv6 nameserver or somethign ? |
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| 02:38.04 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: do you have ipv6 connectivity? |
| 02:38.15 | PresClinton | is it normal for my notebook to all the suddenoverheat right after installing debian? |
| 02:38.26 | PresClinton | (multi times during the day) |
| 02:38.36 | SerajewelKS | if it's not well ventilated, yes |
| 02:38.40 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, truth be known, i have spent zero time researching what is need for ipv6 connectivity |
| 02:38.51 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: well you either need a tunnel or your ISP has to offer it |
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| 02:38.56 | PresClinton | its in the place its always in and has never overheated and restarted |
| 02:39.17 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: if something is taking 100% of the CPU constantly then overheating is possible |
| 02:39.23 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, ah. so routing tables and the such are provided when connecting ? |
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| 02:39.57 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: during install cpu might be at 100% but normally it shouldn't be above say 20% |
| 02:39.58 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: sometimes, that depends on how your provider does it |
| 02:40.10 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: you might be responsible for statically configuring a router on your network |
| 02:40.44 | PresClinton | its just sitting here. wth is wrong with my youtube videos (and sound)? its going at like 1fps and im still having the low level sound issues.. |
| 02:40.51 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: uptime will tell you your percent usage |
| 02:40.54 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, so blacklisting ipv6 and rebooting is the only way ? |
| 02:41.16 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: unless you want to look into connecting to the ipv6 internet, probably |
| 02:41.36 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: you could also try to run a local DNS proxy that returns failure for all AAAA requests |
| 02:42.02 | hatter_ | SerajewelKS, hmmm, ok thx for your help. |
| 02:42.15 | SerajewelKS | hatter_: np |
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| 02:51.44 | geograsX | hello |
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| 02:51.52 | geograsX | i have a question |
| 02:52.14 | geograsX | how do i luks my encrypted hard-drive? |
| 02:52.24 | tbsaunde | geograsX: dont ask to ask just ask |
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| 02:52.49 | tbsaunde | geograsX: how do you unencrypt it do you mean |
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| 02:53.25 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: re your utube problem have you installed flash? |
| 02:53.28 | geograsX | no..i did encrypted it. |
| 02:53.36 | geograsX | i want to use luks on them |
| 02:53.54 | PresClinton | no I didnt but it plays sort of. do I get flash from my ad/remove programs? |
| 02:54.09 | geograsX | i made this.. cryptsetup luksaddkey /dev/hda2 |
| 02:54.13 | jhaluska | Howdy, I have an guru plug computer (debian arm based headless system). I set up the /etc/network/interfaces to have a static ip address, but some time later it resorted back to DHCP. I didn't reboot, the uptime shows it still being up a day. |
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| 02:54.15 | tbsaunde | geograsX: you use lucks to encrypt / decrypt so I don't understand your question |
| 02:54.25 | jhaluska | Any clue where to look to figure out what is going on? |
| 02:54.42 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: that might work, I always use apt personally |
| 02:54.43 | geograsX | to encrypt |
| 02:55.07 | geograsX | tbsaunde: to encrypt |
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| 02:55.19 | PresClinton | tbs aptitude? |
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| 02:56.00 | tbsaunde | geograsX: cryptsetup lucksFormat I believe |
| 02:56.19 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: basically, they should all do the same thing |
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| 02:57.09 | PresClinton | okay |
| 02:57.45 | geograsX | tbsaunde: ok..i'll try cryptsetup lucksoFormat /dev/hda2 |
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| 02:58.10 | geograsX | tbsaunde: without the o, :-) |
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| 03:00.34 | tbsaunde | geograsX: I assume this is a new install, encrypting a partition involves reformating, I assumed you knew, but maybe not |
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| 03:01.01 | PresClinton | ok this overheating is bothering me |
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| 03:01.26 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: what does uptime say? you shouldn't be overheating |
| 03:02.11 | nevyn | PresClinton: what kind of laptop? |
| 03:02.11 | PresClinton | 21:01:49 up 3 min, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.55, 0.26 |
| 03:02.28 | PresClinton | acer turion x2 64 |
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| 03:03.39 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: well, amd's get hot but not that hot |
| 03:03.45 | PresClinton | my HDD isnt even running much so I dont know why the proc would be |
| 03:04.04 | PresClinton | I just assume its overheating because it takes me to a login screen in all text format then shuts down |
| 03:04.09 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: does /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ have anything in it? |
| 03:04.29 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: does it feel hot? |
| 03:04.41 | PresClinton | yes its pretty warm, checking folder |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | install acpi,acpid ? |
| 03:05.29 | PresClinton | tzs0 and tzs1 are in thermal_zone folder |
| 03:05.50 | PresClinton | I have no idea if its installed. Why dont i just install them to make sure? |
| 03:06.01 | PresClinton | aptitude install acpi? |
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| 03:06.47 | PresClinton | they were already installed nothing new installed |
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| 03:07.02 | PresClinton | I ran a command without somebody telling me how. Im learning :) |
| 03:07.04 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: ok, look at the temperature files in those folders |
| 03:07.46 | PresClinton | when I double click the folder and file it says temp changed on disk |
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| 03:09.00 | PresClinton | is that good or bad? |
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| 03:11.08 | PresClinton | my add remove programs locked up...........is this normal? |
| 03:11.35 | jhaluska | PresClinton: I'd go with no. |
| 03:11.50 | PresClinton | jeez everything has to happen to me |
| 03:12.08 | jhaluska | PresClinton: Well everything has to happen to somebody, good thing you're up to the task! |
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| 03:12.29 | tbsaunde | PresClinton: its constantly updated by the kernel so thats fine, you just want to see what it says |
| 03:12.30 | SerajewelKS | PresClinton: thanks you to i should be good for another year without any computer trouble, thanks for taking it on for me |
| 03:12.54 | PresClinton | i just want to be able to play a movie and go to sleep but it wont even let me play a dvd |
| 03:12.56 | PresClinton | brb rebooting |
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| 03:13.40 | jhaluska | Anybody want to help me solve the "Mystery of the recurring DHCP ETH0"? |
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| 03:15.03 | jhaluska | I set the eth0 to static, then later it resorts back to DHCP...it's a mystery! |
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| 03:15.34 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: do you have network mangler installed? |
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| 03:15.49 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: do you even need to have a dhcp client installed? |
| 03:16.09 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: It's a plug computer (arm headless computer), I don't know what is installed since it came with debian preinstalled. |
| 03:16.17 | factor | how do I mount a lvm2 drive , I can see it with lvscan etc.. but just not getting it mounted |
| 03:16.32 | cwillu | how can I tell what releases/versions of debian have a particular package version? the btrfs folks are wondering what to tell people who are asking about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575891 |
| 03:17.06 | cwillu | specifically, which versions that's been fixed in |
| 03:17.16 | jhaluska | I didn't see anything in crontab -e. |
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| 03:19.08 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: ok, if it were me I'd uninstall them, just to be sure, unless I thought I might wnat them, otherwise I have no idea |
| 03:19.57 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: Uninstall dhcp? |
| 03:20.02 | tbsaunde | factor: does it exist in /dev/<vg group name>/drive? |
| 03:20.07 | factor | yes |
| 03:20.10 | factor | under 59 |
| 03:20.18 | factor | control |
| 03:20.21 | tbsaunde | factor: 59 is the name? |
| 03:20.29 | factor | no its node number |
| 03:20.50 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: I'm might, uninstall dhclient, it would depend on my neds etc though |
| 03:21.10 | tbsaunde | factor: what is the volumes name? |
| 03:21.16 | factor | I have /dev/mapper/control |
| 03:21.23 | tbsaunde | factor: it should be in /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 03:21.36 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: That might fix the problem, but I'd like to understand it a little more first. |
| 03:21.46 | tbsaunde | factor: have you run vgscan --mknodes? |
| 03:22.19 | factor | I just did now |
| 03:22.29 | factor | lvscan |
| 03:22.29 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: ok, fair enough, I don't have any idea, other than network mangler (its just always a pain) :p |
| 03:22.45 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.49 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: Yeah me neither. |
| 03:23.02 | factor | that is the one I want but if I mount that I get the current drive I am using |
| 03:23.07 | tbsaunde | factor: ok, if you've run vgscan the file I mentioned should exist, then you can just use mount on that |
| 03:23.23 | factor | does not want to mount the correct drive |
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| 03:23.38 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:24.00 | johnfg | Trying to help my son with a project, and can't quite figure out how. |
| 03:24.14 | tbsaunde | factor: so you do mount /dev/squareroot/root /mnt or something |
| 03:24.16 | factor | mount: special device /dev/squareroot/root does not exist |
| 03:24.26 | factor | does nto work |
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| 03:24.48 | johnfg | We've got an email attachment that has lots of email addresses, not tab separated, or comma or quotes, etc. |
| 03:25.09 | johnfg | I'll paste one line so you can see what I'm talking about, a for instance. |
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| 03:25.11 | wols_ | johnfg: separated how then? spaces? line feeds? |
| 03:25.19 | tbsaunde | factor: ok, hm does the directory /dev/squareroot exist? |
| 03:25.24 | factor | nope |
| 03:25.33 | johnfg | Karen Durow 105 W PineSt.Livingston 222-2960 kdurow@bresnan.net LM5/9 |
| 03:26.01 | johnfg | So, spaces; but there's no consistency to the fields. |
| 03:26.09 | wols_ | wonders when the "debian related" part shows up |
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| 03:26.39 | johnfg | wols_, It's not, but I'm running lenny (and lovin' it). |
| 03:26.45 | tbsaunde | factor: ok |
| 03:26.51 | factor | tbsaunde, it works if I boot to that drive but just need to mount an transfer files |
| 03:26.51 | johnfg | Anywhere else you'd suggest that I ask? |
| 03:27.09 | factor | and will not use lvm again :) |
| 03:27.10 | tbsaunde | johnfg: apply perl |
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| 03:27.38 | simonrvn | any scripting language will do i think. just a matter of preference and requirements. |
| 03:27.39 | wols_ | johnfg: then you are OT. but a hint: you take a line and look for the @. then you go back and cut at the whitespace and go forward and cut at the whitespace: voila! email addy. you will need a scripting language most likely. perl or python or such |
| 03:28.13 | tbsaunde | factor: something weird is up, I'm not sure vgscan --mknodes volume group name maybe? |
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| 03:28.48 | johnfg | Sorry for being OT, mea culpa, and tbsaunde and wols_ thanks for your suggestions. |
| 03:29.46 | wols_ | I suggest the channel for your chosen scripting language btw. tho it's fairly trivial if you know how to program a bit and if you don't, you need to learn more than IRC has to offer you imho |
| 03:30.01 | factor | tbsaunde, so the name will have to exist as /dev/squareroot |
| 03:30.14 | factor | of which my cuirrent drive is also called squareroot |
| 03:30.17 | tbsaunde | factor: I sem to remember that you can use udev for detecting lv's but don't know the details, you should look at your lvm.conf |
| 03:31.25 | tbsaunde | factor: there should be a dir in /dev for each volume group, and it should have files in there for each logical volume which you can just mount |
| 03:31.42 | factor | ok and that is not happening |
| 03:31.48 | jhaluska | I see some stuff in a scrip that apparently /etc/rc.local calls. |
| 03:31.48 | tbsaunde | factor: if /dev/mapper/logical volume name exists I think you can use that |
| 03:32.05 | factor | oh ok thanks will try |
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| 03:32.42 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: ok, I suspect the plug guys fiddled around a bit, as I remember rc.local doesn't do anything by deault |
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| 03:32.51 | factor | mount: /dev/mapper/control is not a block device |
| 03:33.01 | jhaluska | Here's what's in the script: http://paste.debian.net/73707/ |
| 03:33.05 | factor | <tbsaunde> Does not work |
| 03:33.08 | tbsaunde | factor: np, sorry I don't know more |
| 03:33.12 | factor | ok thanks |
| 03:33.46 | tbsaunde | factor: yes control is not, but your logical volume that you want to mount has a name right |
| 03:34.07 | jhaluska | Would that iptables command reset my port to DHCP? |
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| 03:34.27 | factor | tbsaunde, inactive '/dev/squareroot/root' [143.05 GiB] inherit |
| 03:35.07 | factor | maybe if I can put it in fstab it would mount it. |
| 03:35.44 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: I don't think so, iptables is firewalling |
| 03:36.14 | tbsaunde | factor: if the block device doesn't exist mount -a which reads fstab won't mount it |
| 03:36.28 | johnfg | wols_, Where's CPAN for lenny? I'm not seeing it? |
| 03:37.05 | factor | tbsaunde, ok I just activated it |
| 03:37.15 | factor | lvchange -a y /dev/squareroot |
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| 03:37.38 | factor | activating it created the node in dev |
| 03:38.02 | wols_ | !cpan |
| 03:38.03 | dpkg | i guess cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
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| 03:38.07 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: your starting a dhcp server in that script |
| 03:38.57 | factor | tbsaunde, and now mounted it , thanks . guess if its inactive it wont pick up |
| 03:38.58 | tbsaunde | factor: ok, cool, I knew that was important, but didn't realize it was related to this, sorry |
| 03:39.44 | tbsaunde | factor: np |
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| 03:40.31 | digdeep | hi, I use useradd test to create a new user. I ssh to the account. The prompt says "server:~$". How do I make it as "test@server:~$" |
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| 03:41.00 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: Thanks for looking at it. Would the dhcp server be effecting my eth0 port? |
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| 03:43.07 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: np, maybe, I don't know, it depends on the dhcp servers configuration |
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| 03:51.07 | jhaluska | eh, I'll figure it out later. |
| 03:52.37 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: ok, I'd recomend disabling that script and seeing if that fixes your problem |
| 03:53.09 | johnfg | Thanks for the info on CPAN. Just for your info, I wrongly assumed, that I'd have to install it, like what I do in fedora. Should have figured debian would already have it. |
| 03:53.13 | jhaluska | I was thinking of doing that, I just don't want to not be able to connect to it |
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| 03:56.09 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: sure, yeah, do you have way to re flash it or something? |
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| 03:59.47 | jhaluska | I do, if I really had to |
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| 04:01.11 | digdeep | anyone? |
| 04:01.18 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: thats something, but yeah, be careful |
| 04:01.29 | wols_ | johnfg: you need to install dh-make-perl as well afaik |
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| 04:02.11 | jhaluska | tbsaunde: I just haven't reflashed it before. |
| 04:02.13 | tbsaunde | digdeep: whats up? |
| 04:02.40 | wols_ | digdeep: \u@\h: is what you want for your PS1 env variable |
| 04:02.41 | tbsaunde | jhaluska: sure, not sure what to say :( |
| 04:02.51 | wols_ | digdeep: check what it's set to right now first |
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| 04:03.25 | digdeep | wols_ \u@\h: is what you want for your PS1 env variable --> yes |
| 04:03.44 | wols_ | digdeep: then do it? |
| 04:04.01 | Tramp | digdeep: useradd (unlike adduser, which is the recommended way) probably does not copy the files from /etc/skel to the $HOME |
| 04:04.23 | johnfg | wols_, What's dh-make-perl? |
| 04:04.27 | Tramp | digdeep: copying the stuff from /etc/skel may fix your issue |
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| 04:04.55 | digdeep | Tramp: so should I delete the account, and user adduser |
| 04:04.59 | wols_ | johnfg: haven't you read the factoid from dpkg earlier? /msg dpkg cpan |
| 04:05.41 | Tramp | digdeep: either that - or copy the stuff and see, if it fixes your problem |
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| 04:09.14 | digdeep | Tramp: copy the stuff and see, if it fixes your problem --> it works! |
| 04:10.16 | digdeep | thx |
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| 04:10.17 | Tramp | yw |
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| 04:27.36 | bugjar | why are my logs (/var/log/messages, etc) reporting the system name as "localhost" when /etc/hostname is set to something...else? |
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| 04:28.41 | bugjar | it is actually more annoying in syslog. |
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| 04:32.10 | nsadmin | look at /etc/hosts |
| 04:32.36 | nsadmin | what does hostname say now? |
| 04:33.55 | bugjar | mugwump |
| 04:34.19 | bugjar | erk - wrong. wrong file. |
| 04:34.44 | bugjar | answers to localhost.localdomain, localhost and mugwump |
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| 04:35.45 | bugjar | for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 04:36.35 | bugjar | nsadmin, is there an order to name resolution out of /etc/hosts? |
| 04:37.13 | nsadmin | I think it's set in hosts.conf |
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| 04:38.10 | nsadmin | see I'm not sure how this all works exactly, but I know hostname and /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname are related |
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| 04:39.01 | bugjar | ...and what does the manpage for hostname mean when it says "/etc/hostname This file should only contain domain name and not the full FQDN." i would think it might be the localhost name, rather than "domain" |
| 04:39.37 | bugjar | * sorry, there should have been a question mark in there, somewhere |
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| 04:42.38 | nsadmin | what does hostname output atm? |
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| 04:43.25 | tuv | what does this message mean: Warning: /home does not support NFS export |
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| 04:45.09 | nsadmin | are you trying to export your home dir? |
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| 04:45.48 | nsadmin | that message is produced when you do what? |
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| 04:47.03 | bugjar | well, `hostname` gives me "mugwump" but `hostname -a` gives me both localhost and "mugwump" |
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| 04:48.03 | hoonteke | if I've forced a .deb install for dependencies, is there a way to have apt *not* warn about it every single time? I want it to still warn for any other packages, just not this particular package. |
| 04:48.47 | bugjar | i have managed to find http://www.debianadmin.com/change-hostname-or-server-name-of-a-linux-machine.html -- but it says to change /etc/hostname... which says the right thing! |
| 04:49.40 | nsadmin | hoonteke look into equivs package |
| 04:49.53 | hoonteke | nsadmin: great, thanks |
| 04:50.19 | nsadmin | why did you haev to force? |
| 04:50.47 | newsense | speaking of all this how do i change my "domainname", if i run domainname -d i get what it is /etc/hosts |
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| 04:52.10 | newsense | safe for FQDN |
| 04:52.17 | newsense | s/safe/same |
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| 04:54.29 | hoonteke | nsadmin: because there's no .deb for a base package I've installed, and I know that packages that rely on the older version that *is* in the repositories will also work with the version I've installed. Is there a better way to go about what I've done? |
| 04:54.49 | ham5 | can I set gnome to never keep history... like the recent documents or go menu? |
| 04:55.19 | nsadmin | hoonteke, maybe to rebuild the package? |
| 04:55.47 | hoonteke | nsadmin: to a linux noob of only about 3 months, how do I do that? |
| 04:55.59 | bugjar | nsadmin, thanks for looking into it. this is the personal machine and i'll address it tomorrow. too late for me now.. thanks again |
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| 04:56.17 | nsadmin | yeah meetoo... I'm pretty tired :) |
| 04:56.30 | nsadmin | hoonteke: what package? |
| 04:56.39 | hoonteke | django v1.2 |
| 04:57.04 | nsadmin | what does it depend on? |
| 04:57.13 | hoonteke | no, that's the base package |
| 04:57.23 | hoonteke | the django-extensions in my repo is built against v1.1 |
| 04:57.24 | nsadmin | oh and what dist are you running... and before you go there... gimme a few |
| 04:58.17 | hoonteke | k, lemme know when you're ready. |
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| 05:03.23 | LinuxNIT-II | anyone know when the next stable release is? |
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| 05:06.25 | wols_ | !tell LinuxNIT-II about siyh |
| 05:06.41 | wols_ | hoonteke: create a equivs dummy package for django and it should be fine |
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| 05:07.29 | hoonteke | wols_: danke schoen. |
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| 05:08.28 | newsense | anyone got a dpkg factoid for compositing ? |
| 05:08.50 | newsense | looking to try kde4.4.3 compositing with opengl and nvidia card |
| 05:09.26 | SerajewelKS | newsense: i bet google knows |
| 05:09.50 | newsense | tried looking around myself on the web but there was a factoid i thought that had a good link to a wiki page that ws the best |
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| 05:09.59 | cretsiah | hello, I have been attempting to do this http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm 3/4's of the way down it talks about a LAN DNS Server I was wondering if I could get some clarification on ehat some entries represented |
| 05:10.04 | hoonteke | another noob question: I've been introduced to the idea of partitions. For *desktop* systems, is there a particular thought process to putting the system partition near the beginning of the drive? It seems to me that especially with OS caching, you more want the more frequently accessed data the front of the drive. Like perhaps swap or user files. Is there a reason *not* to put my system partition at the end of my drive? |
| 05:10.17 | cretsiah | where it says 1) kplan.net. IN SOA woody.kplan.net. \ keith.kplan.net. what does the keith component represent? as I assume that woody represents the host thats acting as server, 2)potato-gw IN A 192.168.10.1 presume this represents the gateway (due to the number) 3) the names under potato-gw I presume represent the other hosts on the network? |
| 05:10.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell newsense about compiz |
| 05:10.29 | SerajewelKS | newsense: do all that up to where you start installing compiz |
| 05:10.43 | newsense | nah kdr4 |
| 05:10.46 | newsense | kde4 |
| 05:10.52 | newsense | but that info might help |
| 05:10.58 | newsense | i'll look at it thanks |
| 05:11.14 | SerajewelKS | newsense: that's why i said "up to". as in "up to but not including." |
| 05:11.28 | newsense | ahh ok got ya now, thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 05:17.25 | newsense | thanks again SerajewelKS, going to restart xserver and try it now |
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| 05:21.44 | tuv | i want to have /home nfs-exported on every machine in a small network, and use automount for /home (/etc/auto.home) with "user1 host1:/home/user1" ... etc. is that possible? |
| 05:23.21 | tuv | i started with two machines. /home is exported on one, but for the second i keep getting: Warning: /home does not support NFS export |
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| 05:26.24 | tuv | and local users cannot even login (can't create home directory) |
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| 05:36.51 | _Andrew | I have a question about packaging would this be a good place to ask? |
| 05:37.08 | wols_ | !ask |
| 05:37.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 05:39.02 | mattfury | hello |
| 05:39.14 | mattfury | i cant get my optus huawei usb pen to work |
| 05:39.51 | mattfury | any ideas? |
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| 05:45.54 | mattfury | its a e160 wireless modem |
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| 05:46.19 | dexu | how i make update in debian ? |
| 05:46.36 | Abhishek_Singh | which will be the best tool to create makefiles? |
| 05:47.01 | mattfury | automake? :P |
| 05:47.31 | Abhishek_Singh | what do say about CMake? |
| 05:48.03 | newsense | hwy what's the command to show link information |
| 05:48.13 | Abhishek_Singh | or apache ant? |
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| 05:49.51 | greenmang0 | can anybody help me with bind setup on debian stable? i have installed bind and it's resolving all names correctly but the ptr records... |
| 05:50.22 | greenmang0 | i tried finding ptr record using dig .. but don't get any output... |
| 05:50.45 | wols_ | newsense: ldd? |
| 05:50.51 | wols_ | greenmang0: #bind |
| 05:51.02 | greenmang0 | wols_: ok :) |
| 05:51.08 | wols_ | dexu: "aptitude update" you mean |
| 05:51.20 | newsense | wols_: thanks, haha went blank |
| 05:51.26 | wols_ | !tell mattfury about doesn't work |
| 05:51.54 | newsense | no wait not ldd |
| 05:52.16 | dexu | wols_ thanks , i use first time debian and i whant to be update |
| 05:52.35 | wols_ | !tell dexu about aptitude howto |
| 05:52.57 | dexu | ? |
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| 05:53.07 | wols_ | !tell dexu about aptitude doc |
| 05:53.13 | wols_ | !tell dexu about refcard |
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| 06:00.53 | dexu | what is DEBIAN SARGE ? |
| 06:01.25 | acu | I have installed kvm and I can install debian linux - the cd part - when I reboot - it tells me it does not find booting device - what is going on ? |
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| 06:02.24 | wols_ | !sarge |
| 06:02.24 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 06:02.32 | wols_ | dexu: it's very old and not supported anymore |
| 06:02.40 | dexu | ok thanks |
| 06:02.52 | AndrewX192 | still has debian sarge cd's somewhere |
| 06:02.58 | AndrewX192 | I think its with my debian woody cd's |
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| 06:15.58 | dexu | what firewall i must install in debian ? |
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| 06:19.20 | rsouthard | Iptables comes installed by default. |
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| 06:20.32 | tuv | is it at all possible to use nfs-automount for /home/userX and still have a local /home/userY? i can't seem to get it working. if automount /home/userX is enabled, userY cannot access his home (can't even login) |
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| 06:21.56 | rsouthard | That is correct. With autofs you won't be able to have a seperate home dir. |
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| 06:23.47 | tuv | rsouthard: so if i automount even a single user to /home/<user>, nothing else in /home is accessible? |
| 06:25.01 | tuv | if so, then i must have a directory for local homes, and another for nfs-automounted home |
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| 06:26.32 | rsouthard | I think you can have both with autofs disabled. When enabled it is mounting /home over the other /home. |
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| 06:30.00 | rsouthard | You can also mount your nfs share somewhere else besides /home. |
| 06:30.34 | tuv | rsouthard: i trying to get the convenience of using /home/<user> |
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| 06:31.17 | tuv | rsouthard: the other constraint is that i cannot export /home for the nfs-automount /home, right? |
| 06:31.29 | tuv | so actually, /home holds nothing |
| 06:31.37 | tuv | just a mount point |
| 06:31.52 | rsouthard | Then that will be your only home dir unless you symlink it elsewhere. |
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| 06:34.18 | tuv | rsouthard: ok.. so i'll automount /home and set local users to use another directory (/usr/local/home?) |
| 06:34.21 | rsouthard | You won't be able to get to /home on the local file system unless you mount your ifs share elsewhere or stop autofs. |
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| 06:34.44 | tuv | rsouthard: right |
| 06:35.09 | tuv | another problem: is it possible to use autofs and automatic home directory creation? |
| 06:35.21 | rsouthard | That will work or you can set them up on your nfs share. |
| 06:35.41 | tuv | i have a line in pam's common-session that works without autofs, but not with it |
| 06:36.09 | tobago | what is the best location for setting up a git repository for a debian? is it /var/git ? |
| 06:36.24 | rsouthard | Possibly. If you are going to go that route check out nis. |
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| 06:38.02 | tuv | the only way for the home directory to get created is for the user to first login into the machine that's actually hosting his home directory |
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| 06:38.25 | tuv | oops. actually that does not work either |
| 06:38.38 | tuv | i have to create the directory manually and set its permissions! |
| 06:38.41 | rsouthard | Tobago: for svn I use /usr/local/src. It is really doesn't matter. More just personal preference. |
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| 06:39.17 | tobago | rsouthard, o.k. i ust wanted to know if there would be a convention. |
| 06:39.22 | tobago | just |
| 06:39.34 | rsouthard | Tuv: you can setup nis to do 95% of this. |
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| 06:40.59 | rsouthard | Typically var is reserved for logs and mail queue. Depending on your partition scheme, you may want to look elsewhere. Var is normally only4gb. |
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| 06:41.45 | tuv | rsouthard: i have ldap |
| 06:42.11 | rsouthard | Oh. I don't know ldap well. Sorry. |
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| 06:42.56 | crzedmonk | I hit alt ctlr f12 on acident and now my sound is not working any ideas? |
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| 06:59.10 | tobago | how to find out if a debian is lenny or squeeze? |
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| 07:00.03 | ssm | tobago: cat /etc/issue |
| 07:00.32 | tobago | ssm, thanks. :) it's a lenny. |
| 07:00.50 | ssm | :) |
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| 07:10.12 | tobago | ssm, there is a debian lenny and i have added to /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to get postgres8.4 but trying to install it, it complains about: "The following packages include no sufficient dependencies: "postgresql-8.4: Depends on: libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328) but 8.3.9-0lenny1 shall be installed ..." |
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| 07:10.48 | tobago | how to get the correct dependencies? |
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| 07:13.33 | wols_ | add libpq5 to your aptitude install line |
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| 07:13.48 | tobago | wols_, but then it will install the older one. |
| 07:13.56 | wols_ | tobago: no |
| 07:14.09 | tobago | i did a apt-get install libpq5. and it was the older one. |
| 07:14.12 | wols_ | and to check what version of debian you have: /msg dpkg version |
| 07:14.28 | wols_ | I said ADD to your aptitude install line for postgres |
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| 07:17.26 | tobago | wols_, is an "aptitude install line" something like: "sudo apt-get install libpq5 postgresql-8.4" ? |
| 07:17.52 | wols_ | that won't install anything from backports, will it? |
| 07:18.29 | wols_ | add it to your line where you want to install postgres from backports |
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| 07:19.29 | tobago | wols_, ah you mean: apt-get -t lenny-backports install postgres |
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| 07:30.13 | lng | hi! I have "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY". How to fix it? |
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| 07:32.23 | liable | lng: install/update debian-keyring |
| 07:32.48 | wols_ | and while you're at it, upgrade your debian to a supported version too |
| 07:33.17 | wols_ | and not as if you'd get any more security updates anyways |
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| 07:34.49 | the_file | does debian use gnome?. |
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| 07:35.09 | Bushmills | define "use" |
| 07:35.16 | liable | the_file: it uses whatever you want. gnome is available, of course |
| 07:35.47 | the_file | bushmills: oww Im kind of used to the ubuntu desktop |
| 07:35.57 | the_file | and I take it default ubuntu uses gnome |
| 07:36.00 | lng | liable: installed, same error |
| 07:36.19 | Dewi | the_file: debian has more options |
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| 07:36.35 | Dewi | the_file: but that is one of the most common setups |
| 07:36.41 | Bushmills | you choose the desktop environment or window manager. you can also use none |
| 07:36.44 | the_file | I take it debian is better than ubuntu |
| 07:36.51 | jken418 | the_file: yep, 'normal' ubuntu comes with gnome. But there are other options. |
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| 07:36.55 | liable | !better |
| 07:36.55 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:37.00 | the_file | how does it fare with hardware drivers?. |
| 07:37.02 | jken418 | the_file: On this channel, yes, debian is the best distro |
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| 07:37.07 | the_file | lol |
| 07:37.14 | liable | lng: you ran update again? |
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| 07:37.31 | lng | liable: yes |
| 07:37.40 | liable | paste your sources |
| 07:37.43 | liable | somewhere |
| 07:37.59 | liable | lng: why are you still running etch btw? |
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| 07:46.25 | Dewi | the_file: it's been ages since I looked at this stuff, but I believe ATI is fairly cooperative. Driver is here - http://packages.debian.org/lenny/fglrx-driver |
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| 07:47.05 | liable | i think a lot of cards are supported by the free driver these days |
| 07:47.27 | Dewi | the_file: that's closed-source tho. The opensource one is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 07:47.45 | the_file | does opengl have anything to do with all this??? |
| 07:47.58 | jken418 | the_file: Not really. |
| 07:48.16 | Dewi | the_file: opengl is one of the services video drivers provide |
| 07:48.36 | jken418 | And BTW, IME newish ATI cards like that do work fairly well with the free driver. |
| 07:48.52 | project2501a | Bushmills: i know, right? :D |
| 07:49.16 | pasky | the_file: debian stable gets in trouble with newest video cards even if they have open-source drivers available; thankfully, it's relatively easy to pull in xorg from ubuntu jaunty to debian lenny (though of course in a sense evil thing - but better than using vesa ;) - see http://log.or.cz/?p=70 |
| 07:49.17 | the_file | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_hd4890&num=1 |
| 07:49.37 | lng | liable: how do I get the key I need? |
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| 07:50.03 | Dewi | pasky: you are much, much better off using one from backports or from source |
| 07:50.05 | liable | lng: if you try and install a package it usually gives the first 6 digits of the key |
| 07:50.56 | lng | liable: I got it fixed with debian-archive-keyring |
| 07:50.59 | lng | cheers |
| 07:51.07 | liable | cool |
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| 07:51.18 | the_file | lol |
| 07:51.35 | ethanol | mornin' all |
| 07:51.38 | the_file | pasky: that means that if the os were to be ubuntu, the driver would work without any tweaking |
| 07:51.43 | the_file | deosen't it?. |
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| 07:53.30 | Dewi | the_file: the ubuntu project is less committed to open source and more committed to desktop experience, so those kinds of drivers are more integrated, yes |
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| 07:54.57 | jken418 | the_file: In more concrete terms, in Ubuntu it's a case of a couple of clicks and typing in your password. In Debian you have to find out which card you've got, what driver you need, then install it and maybe tweak it a bit. |
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| 07:55.27 | the_file | dewi: so how long would it take for an average user with basic bash knoledge to get the card to work?. |
| 07:55.36 | the_file | considering this was read: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg56787.html |
| 07:56.10 | jken418 | the_file: Hopefully, less time than you've spent asking about it! |
| 07:56.26 | the_file | hopefully?. |
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| 07:56.50 | Dewi | the_file: I haven't done it, so I can't say |
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| 07:57.19 | Dewi | the_file: if that is your top priority, maybe ubuntu would be good to try first. |
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| 07:59.24 | the_file | I take it that debian boots rather fast, but does anybody know if its faster than default ubuntu install?. |
| 08:00.02 | Dewi | the_file: yes, because in debian you only need to install what you need |
| 08:00.45 | the_file | bah |
| 08:00.50 | Dewi | the_file: ubuntu comes preinstalled with a lot of stuff |
| 08:00.53 | the_file | debian with gnome |
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| 08:06.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:06.58 | dpkg | <abrotman> the nvidia one-liner doesn't work for lenny <_ZeuZ_> abrotman, wow, didn't knew that, one more for my knowledge base... <abrotman> that makes one |
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| 08:12.13 | pasky | Dewi: i don't know if new xorg is in backports now; i know it wasn't when i was writing that log entry |
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| 08:13.56 | Dewi | !simple sid backport |
| 08:13.56 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 08:14.06 | jelly-home | pasky: it might be more sensible to use sdn instead of packages from a completely different distro |
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| 08:14.31 | jelly-home | pasky: the resulting mess would be supported by _no_ irc channel |
| 08:14.33 | Dewi | pasky: I find the above procedure to be really helpful; but might not work so well with non-free stuff |
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| 08:14.44 | jelly-home | !sdn |
| 08:14.44 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 08:15.34 | pasky | Dewi: i tried to build my own xorg but it turned out to be a huge undertaking, unfortunately i don't remember the concrete problems i've hit anymore, it's been quite some time now |
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| 08:16.15 | Dewi | pasky: yeah. I have never tried to. |
| 08:16.18 | wols_ | Dewi: it won't work with any stuff. it's just braindead |
| 08:16.32 | Dewi | wols_: simple sid backport? why? |
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| 08:17.02 | wols_ | Dewi: the installation of jaunty packages in lenny |
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| 08:17.36 | wols_ | Dewi: and usually, with non-free stuff, simple sid backports are a LOT easier |
| 08:17.43 | Dewi | wols_: I was endorsing apt-get -b, not transplanting from jaunty |
| 08:18.11 | wols_ | pasky was |
| 08:18.44 | pasky | wols_: it was the by far easiest option to take and it worked well :) |
| 08:18.50 | Dewi | yeah. The thing about it is, it might work at any given moment, but it's not guaranteed to work every again, and that includes upgrades |
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| 09:04.55 | yang | Hi ! I got one problem with eth2:0 interface, I would like it to use 172.22.168.1 as a gateway for the 172.22.168.0/25 subnet, but I can only have one default route in debian - http://paste.lisp.org/display/99383 |
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| 09:15.39 | kripz | Is there a file where i can specify commands to be run on startup for users? |
| 09:16.59 | isfranc | kripz: .profile ? |
| 09:17.05 | isfranc | in home dir |
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| 09:18.20 | kripz | isfranc, is that run by the system or the desktop? |
| 09:18.22 | ethanol | anyone here able to name a ticket/wiki system similar to trac? |
| 09:18.57 | ondrejk | ethanol: we're using combination of bugzzila & twiki |
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| 09:20.38 | isfranc | kripz: systeme |
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| 09:23.30 | wols_ | kripz: if you want to run something before anyone logs in, use rc.local |
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| 09:27.54 | isfranc | kripz: desktop is the X system ? |
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| 09:33.01 | thetooth | hi |
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| 09:34.18 | eddy | hello, i updated my linux-image and got some errors concering udev rules, for example ./etc/udev/rules.d/z50_run.rules: Cannot stat: No such file or directory. i am not sure whether such an error is critical or not? furthermore i wonder, why the error occurs ... |
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| 09:35.45 | thetooth | my vps has been dropping offline latly because all the none tcp sockets are being used up... if i run netstat theres a few normal connections and then 200 or so unix connections listed as CONNECTED, all of witch are blank and have no owner, any idea what the problem is? |
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| 09:38.34 | Str82DHeaD | Hi all ! I have a RAID5 server and during booting it says "cannot find "/dev/mapper/raid_name". So it can't boot / ... Somebody said it was because my kernel is compiled without default raid support. |
| 09:38.45 | thetooth | wait never mind, i just killed the pids and its fixed it |
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| 09:38.59 | Str82DHeaD | they said i have to rebuild initramfs |
| 09:39.07 | Str82DHeaD | and load RAID drivers |
| 09:39.12 | Str82DHeaD | how do I do that? |
| 09:39.34 | Str82DHeaD | i'm looking for a howto |
| 09:39.48 | Str82DHeaD | i've never do that |
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| 09:40.21 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 09:42.11 | Mark_ | dev/mapper sounds like fakeraid |
| 09:42.24 | Mark_ | the junk software raid built into your motherboard |
| 09:42.24 | DASPRiD | or crypto device, or software raid :) |
| 09:42.35 | wols_ | Mark_: and? |
| 09:42.38 | lk | Str82DHeaD, software RAID or LVM RAID? |
| 09:42.41 | DASPRiD | Mark_, mdadm does not require a onboard raid |
| 09:42.43 | Mark_ | nah, mdraid would be /dev/md <3 |
| 09:42.46 | Mark_ | not mapper |
| 09:42.47 | DASPRiD | oh right |
| 09:42.49 | DASPRiD | hm |
| 09:42.51 | Mark_ | unless lvm or dmcrypt was thrown on top |
| 09:42.55 | DASPRiD | then either dmcrypt or lvm |
| 09:42.57 | DASPRiD | yeah |
| 09:43.14 | Mark_ | mapper would be dmraid, aka fakeraid |
| 09:43.17 | Mark_ | aka junk :P |
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| 09:44.00 | liable | fakeraid is not junk, the linux kernel handles it quite well |
| 09:44.12 | Mark_ | you cant be serious |
| 09:44.16 | Str82DHeaD | Software raid, lk |
| 09:44.40 | Mark_ | mdraid is great, fakeraid/dmraid is junk |
| 09:44.54 | Mark_ | unless youve got hardware raid, just do it with mdadm |
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| 09:45.13 | lk | Mark_, he's already locked out of his system =) |
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| 09:45.21 | lk | Str82DHeaD, do you have another kernel you can boot into? |
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| 09:45.36 | dotblank | dh_usrlocal: debian/groove/usr/local/bin/groove is not a directory |
| 09:45.42 | dotblank | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:45.44 | Str82DHeaD | yeah but same issue there |
| 09:45.56 | dotblank | returns that when I try to make a package |
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| 09:46.07 | Str82DHeaD | this server is not mine... and that guy said it's a software RAID |
| 09:46.12 | Mark_ | what motherboard, and has it ever worked before |
| 09:46.24 | Mark_ | some fakeraid doesnt have linux support, or its junk |
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| 09:46.47 | Str82DHeaD | it was working fine till two months ago |
| 09:46.58 | Str82DHeaD | and then something happened |
| 09:46.59 | Str82DHeaD | .... |
| 09:47.23 | Str82DHeaD | maybe kernel update |
| 09:47.28 | Str82DHeaD | or smth like that |
| 09:47.44 | Mark_ | well if this array was created in the bios, its fakeraid |
| 09:47.45 | Str82DHeaD | cause the server is on 24/7 power supply |
| 09:48.21 | Str82DHeaD | entering the bios i can see the three disks |
| 09:48.28 | Str82DHeaD | and no raid configured |
| 09:48.35 | liable | linux doesnt support bios fakeraid. its jbod to the kernel |
| 09:48.45 | Mark_ | it does support it somewhat |
| 09:48.47 | Mark_ | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#fakeraid |
| 09:49.09 | Mark_ | its handled by device mapper and modules |
| 09:49.25 | Mark_ | obv not recommended unless you're dual booting windows or absolutely HAVE to use it |
| 09:49.53 | Mark_ | but if theres no raid configured in the bios, are you sure you were using fakeraid? |
| 09:49.59 | Mark_ | was /dev/mapper/whatever ever used? |
| 09:50.06 | Mark_ | how did you initially set this up |
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| 10:00.50 | StuckMojo | is the recommended firewall still iptables? |
| 10:01.11 | StuckMojo | ISTR it being depricated...or at least the iptables package anyway |
| 10:01.12 | liable | yes, its the only one. there are frontends though |
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| 10:03.25 | babilen | StuckMojo: You can use pf with Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 10:03.45 | gypsymauro | I want to test performances of my hw, what's the best tool? |
| 10:03.46 | StuckMojo | i'm comfortable and familiar with the iptables package |
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| 10:04.21 | StuckMojo | ISTR there being some dpkg configuration warning about not starting it from init.d anymore or some such |
| 10:04.29 | StuckMojo | this was circa woody->sage |
| 10:04.31 | StuckMojo | sarge |
| 10:04.40 | factor | installing form debian 5.03 with kde what a mess |
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| 10:04.57 | factor | was the old 3.4 kde testing has 4.4 |
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| 10:06.08 | factor | trying to get dbus installed . how do I reconfigure a package. |
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| 10:06.28 | Mark_ | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:06.52 | factor | ok thanks |
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| 10:07.05 | StuckMojo | factor: man that though, as you have to use an option to get it to completely start over IIRC |
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| 10:07.26 | StuckMojo | assuming that's what you're looking for |
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| 10:08.08 | babilen | StuckMojo: Yeah, use -save/-restore with a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ -- see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 10:09.59 | StuckMojo | babilen: ah thanks |
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| 10:11.06 | Str82DHeaD | i'll try reinstalling the kernel trough rescue disk |
| 10:11.31 | Str82DHeaD | do have to do it exactly fwith the same version of debian? |
| 10:11.32 | babilen | Str82DHeaD: Good to know :) |
| 10:11.45 | Str82DHeaD | or i may do it with the last relese |
| 10:11.54 | Str82DHeaD | ?? |
| 10:11.55 | babilen | Str82DHeaD: No - what is the problem? Why do you have to reinstall the kernel? |
| 10:12.13 | Str82DHeaD | <Str82DHeaD> Hi all ! I have a RAID5 server and during booting it says "cannot find "/dev/mapper/raid_name". So it can't boot / ... Somebody said it was because my kernel is compiled without default raid support |
| 10:13.16 | StuckMojo | Str82DHeaD: how are you doing raid? |
| 10:13.22 | babilen | Str82DHeaD: Basic idea would be to chroot into the system (/msg dpkg fixmbr for an overview on that) and install a suitable kernel. Any reason why you don't use a Debian stock kernel, but one you compiled yourself? |
| 10:13.27 | StuckMojo | i.e. software in the kernel, or a hardware card? |
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| 10:13.50 | factor | wont let me start or setup dbus. how can I get dbus to install and work |
| 10:14.36 | factor | apt-get remove dbus seems to work |
| 10:14.41 | factor | then will reinstall |
| 10:14.46 | babilen | factor: Could you be so kind to provide more details about your problem? My crystal ball is not working these days, but the exact output on http://paste.debian.net might help |
| 10:14.58 | Str82DHeaD | StuckMojo, i think it's software raid |
| 10:15.12 | factor | just reporting |
| 10:15.27 | Str82DHeaD | and the dude, who administrate the server before me said that it stopped working after updating the OS |
| 10:15.29 | babilen | factor: report noted - please proceed |
| 10:15.45 | factor | nope remove and reinstall dbus did not work |
| 10:15.49 | Str82DHeaD | babilen, I Never change kernel in any OS |
| 10:15.51 | Str82DHeaD | :) |
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| 10:17.45 | Str82DHeaD | babilen, i can't chroot, cause it's like this : /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1... sda1 and sdc1 have one small (one GB) partition in RAID1, and the rest is RAID5. I can only mount sdb1 trough live CD and there's nothing in it... very little data |
| 10:17.52 | factor | nope 503 just does not work |
| 10:17.59 | factor | downloading 504 |
| 10:18.59 | factor | the kernel did not even work |
| 10:19.04 | factor | 2.6.26 |
| 10:19.16 | factor | had to upgrade to 2.6.32 just to get it to work |
| 10:19.28 | babilen | factor: Have you installed already? |
| 10:19.40 | factor | yes |
| 10:20.01 | babilen | factor: Why are you downloading 504 images then? |
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| 10:20.40 | factor | upgrade borked it up |
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| 10:20.50 | factor | cant get dbus to install correctly |
| 10:21.12 | StuckMojo | what's the debian equivalent to the wheel group? |
| 10:21.14 | babilen | factor: As I already noted: There is very little we can do if you don't provide more details |
| 10:21.29 | StuckMojo | oh duh. root |
| 10:21.38 | factor | just need to install dbus, no more complex than that |
| 10:21.44 | babilen | StuckMojo: You can setup sudo with wheel if you want to - or use "staff" or "admin" or whatever ... |
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| 10:22.26 | babilen | factor: well "aptitude install dbus" should do the trick |
| 10:22.40 | babilen | Str82DHeaD: Sorry - no idea |
| 10:23.00 | factor | doing that. |
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| 10:23.09 | factor | aptitude I had to use to upgrade the kernel as well |
| 10:23.25 | factor | apt-get would not let me install the kernel chicken and egg issue |
| 10:23.32 | factor | upgrade the kernel |
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| 10:24.01 | babilen | factor: "chicken and egg issue" - I doubt that this was the exact error message you got from apt-get ;) |
| 10:24.10 | factor | correct |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | good luck |
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| 10:25.18 | factor | nope dbus still borked |
| 10:25.39 | factor | dbus hal consolekit dbus-x11 kdm all borked |
| 10:25.56 | babilen | factor: *IF* you actually want help provide more detail |
| 10:25.59 | babilen | !tell factor about bat |
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| 10:26.59 | factor | what kernel does 504 have? |
| 10:27.02 | jelly | perhaps he wants others to guess wildly and get useful information out of that? |
| 10:27.19 | babilen | factor: Why do you care? |
| 10:27.35 | Str82DHeaD | we'll see |
| 10:27.39 | Str82DHeaD | thanks anyway |
| 10:27.41 | Str82DHeaD | :) |
| 10:27.47 | factor | installing it now |
| 10:28.08 | factor | sad 503 is already incompat with current distro |
| 10:28.12 | Str82DHeaD | if i'm still alive tomorrow everything wen fine |
| 10:28.19 | Str82DHeaD | lol |
| 10:28.49 | babilen | Str82DHeaD: We have no problem with zombies in here ;) |
| 10:28.56 | jelly | factor: debian does not change kernel versions with point releases. If 5.0.3 installer failed for you, 5.0.4 will almost certainly fail as well, unless the exact issue you're having was fixed |
| 10:29.43 | Str82DHeaD | haha |
| 10:29.45 | Str82DHeaD | nice 1 |
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| 10:30.15 | jelly | !cd contents |
| 10:30.15 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 10:42.04 | factor | wont install kde this time, it gets totaly rippe dout and replaced. |
| 10:42.25 | factor | although the 5.x version of debian has the kde with dcop |
| 10:42.32 | factor | dbus is still lame |
| 10:42.45 | factor | they should have kept both until dbus caught up |
| 10:43.05 | babilen | factor: What are you mumbling about? |
| 10:43.11 | factor | dbus |
| 10:43.39 | factor | its no hwere near as good as dcop . |
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| 10:43.49 | babilen | factor: Don't use it then |
| 10:44.08 | factor | well everything is switching to it |
| 10:44.15 | factor | but its not ready yet |
| 10:44.15 | migue1 | hola |
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| 11:45.28 | abrotman | !flw |
| 11:45.28 | dpkg | <greycat> hsn: what the hell did you do? plug in an IDE drive while the system was powered on?!? <hsn> greycat , yes . cant do this ? |
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| 11:47.45 | iceroot | i have some *.deb files locally on my hdd, i want to install them but they have dependencies on each other, is there a way to use dpkg with all my local deb-files to install them and so see if the dependencies are ok? so i dont have to setup a repo and use apt-get/aptitude |
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| 11:48.28 | abrotman | iceroot: aptitude -f install .. go through the options until it agrees to install the deps |
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| 11:48.36 | teze | hello |
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| 11:49.17 | teze | why my irssi client can not connect this side ??? |
| 11:49.25 | abrotman | you are connected ? |
| 11:49.42 | teze | irssi client ? |
| 11:49.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | abrotman: don't confuse the boy |
| 11:49.48 | iceroot | abrotman: hm, dont think that is what i want |
| 11:49.50 | teze | what? |
| 11:49.57 | Chaos|Baghdad | teze: you're not truly connected, you're imagining this entire conversation |
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| 11:50.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | teze: in actuality you're suffering from severe schizophrenia |
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| 11:50.32 | iceroot | abrotman: perfectly would be something like dpkg -i mainpackage.deb -dest here-is-the-path-to-the-other-debs |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | iceroot: then type that out .. but aptitude -f is easier |
| 11:50.55 | teze | but how can i connect by irssi? |
| 11:50.57 | abrotman | you can give a full path to your packages .. |
| 11:51.03 | abrotman | teze: what is your native language ? |
| 11:51.07 | Chaos|Baghdad | teze: /connect servername |
| 11:51.17 | teze | chinesr |
| 11:51.21 | teze | chinese |
| 11:51.22 | icebrain | !cn |
| 11:51.22 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 11:51.28 | themill | iceroot: or just make a real repo; /msg dpkg own repo |
| 11:51.31 | abrotman | teze: it's very likely your ISP blocks IRC .. nothing we can do about it |
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| 11:51.32 | iceroot | abrotman: ah ok, that was just a silly guess from me, but if there is really an option like that |
| 11:51.41 | iceroot | themill: as i said, without making a repo |
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| 11:52.04 | abrotman | iceroot: dpkg -i /path/to/deb1 /path/to/deb2 .. but `dpkg -i foo.deb && aptitude -f install` is easier IMO .. your call |
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| 11:52.11 | Chaos|Baghdad | teze: use a SOCKS5 proxy |
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| 11:52.14 | icebrain | teze can probably use a proxy - I heard Tor still wasn't close |
| 11:52.16 | icebrain | *closed |
| 11:52.22 | themill | iceroot: making your own repo is much easier... it can be a local directory |
| 11:52.24 | iceroot | abrotman: thank you for that, i will have a try |
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| 11:52.40 | iceroot | themill: i know but i dont want it |
| 11:52.59 | themill | you could have done it in the time you've been complaining about not wanting to do it |
| 11:52.59 | mourique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.35 | iceroot | themill: the most time i spent is telling you that i dont want it :) |
| 11:54.40 | themill | iceroot: if you have any sort of dependency chain in those packages, be prepared for the dpkg -i *.deb approach not to work out nicely. Tools like aptitude exist for a reason. |
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| 11:55.12 | teze | oh may be |
| 11:56.27 | teze | ??? |
| 11:56.32 | teze | nobody ? |
| 11:56.46 | teze | what happened? |
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| 11:59.05 | teze | ? |
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| 12:00.10 | styol | hey there. is there a way to edit "installrd" or is that an abstract naming of something being used during debian installation? |
| 12:00.49 | styol | i mean when i edit it with vim or nano for instance i can find the plain text im looking to edit, but it doesnt seem like a plain text file |
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| 12:16.13 | jelly | psycodad: an installed or not installed one? |
| 12:16.23 | jelly | psycodad: the latter, aptitude changelog foo |
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| 12:17.56 | psycodad | jelly, great thanks. I was comparing to squid installations on etch while one isnt updated (etch1) and the other is (etch5) i wanted to see the changelogs between etch1 and etch5 to see if something changed that may concern the probs im seeing. |
| 12:18.10 | psycodad | s/to/two/ |
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| 12:19.52 | psycodad | jelly, works perfect, thx. While we're at it, is there a way to see the changelog for the first case (before installing)? |
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| 12:22.32 | jelly | psycodad: that's for before installing. After installing, there's /usr/share/doc/foo/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 12:23.24 | jelly | psycodad: also, you can install apt-listchanges to read them _at install time_ ;-) |
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| 12:23.49 | jelly | !apt-listchanges |
| 12:23.49 | dpkg | methinks apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
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| 12:30.33 | Caelum | why does du -hs -x / say 6.7G while df -h says 6.9G for / |
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| 12:33.59 | OpenTokix | Caelum: su -sh -x only looks at the files, df -h also included the 5% for superuser. |
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| 12:38.28 | essdeekay | Afternoon all |
| 12:38.51 | essdeekay | I'm getting Proxy Auth errors when trying to do 'apt-get update'. I have configured the proxy settings (several, we're currently evaluating some) although there's no change. |
| 12:38.53 | essdeekay | As I don't actually need to use a proxy as the machine has a direct connection out, should I just delete the Acquire::http::Proxy line in apt.conf or do I need to replace it with something else? |
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| 12:42.19 | gypsymauro | I'm tring to test performance on my fresh linux server, it's a good parameter a time make on kernel source? |
| 12:42.42 | michalxo | essdeekay should be fine just to comment it ;-) |
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| 12:45.45 | essdeekay | michalxo: Thanks, that was the first thing I tried but no luck! |
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| 12:46.43 | essdeekay | michalxo: It comes up with 'Unsupported directive' if you comment it out ... it does on my box anyway! |
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| 12:49.52 | Caelum | OpenTokix: I think I removed that 5% with tune2fs |
| 12:51.12 | OpenTokix | Caelum: Why? That sounds like a stupid thing to do. |
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| 12:53.06 | Caelum | OpenTokix: tiny ssd on eeepc, that extra 500mb is important :) |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | Caelum: you sohuld have left it at 1% |
| 12:53.27 | Caelum | ah |
| 12:53.42 | abrotman | Caelum: that restriction is for root .. if you let a user fill it, root may not be able to login |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | among other things |
| 12:53.52 | Caelum | is replacing the ssds today |
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| 12:57.27 | lhunath | openjdk-6-jre-headless provides the symlink /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/security/cacerts -> /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts, but there is no package that provides /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts. What's the deal? Where am I supposed to get the certs from? Java's SSL doesn't work without this. |
| 12:58.26 | tobago | i installed trac with trac-git on my server. i use the deb trac-git instead of the python eggs. i created the /etc/trac/trac.ini with the component for git. but it complains: Can't synchronize with the repository (Unsupported version control system "git": Can't find an appropriate component, maybe the corresponding plugin was not enabled? ) |
| 12:58.38 | valdyn | lhunath: there should be a cacerts file |
| 12:58.57 | lhunath | provided by what package? |
| 12:59.31 | valdyn | lhunath: seems to be generated |
| 12:59.57 | lhunath | by whom? and what gives you that impression? |
| 13:00.24 | valdyn | lhunath: its not from any package and I didnt put it there |
| 13:00.32 | lhunath | mm |
| 13:00.53 | valdyn | file calls it "Java KeyStore" |
| 13:01.09 | lhunath | yes |
| 13:01.14 | babilen | lhunath: probably ca-certificates |
| 13:01.42 | lhunath | yeah, something in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d I think |
| 13:01.46 | lhunath | but that location is empty for me |
| 13:01.50 | psychicist_ | Does anyone know how to install Debian 5.0.x or 6.x (as long as it's more modern than what I'm running on it right now) on a Fuloong 2E using an USB flash drive or where to find more information on that? |
| 13:01.52 | lhunath | is there anything relevant in there for you? |
| 13:01.52 | babilen | lhunath: or ca-certificates-java |
| 13:02.14 | valdyn | lhunath: ca-certificates-java creates it |
| 13:02.24 | jordanm | !tell psychicist_ about usb install |
| 13:02.33 | valdyn | lhunath: ( upon installation ) |
| 13:02.55 | lhunath | "No candidate version found for ca-certificates-java" |
| 13:03.05 | babilen | ,versions ca-certificates-java |
| 13:03.08 | judd | ca-certificates-java -- sid: 20100412; squeeze: 20100412 |
| 13:03.08 | valdyn | judd: versions ca-certificates-java |
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| 13:03.09 | judd | ca-certificates-java -- sid: 20100412; squeeze: 20100412 |
| 13:03.30 | babilen | lhunath: Are you using lenny? |
| 13:03.37 | lhunath | aye |
| 13:03.44 | valdyn | lhunath: but your jre is not lenny |
| 13:03.44 | abrotman | psychicist_: wtf is a fuloong 2e ? |
| 13:03.54 | psychicist_ | jordanm: thanks for that, but it is a little-endian MIPS machine (I used to port Slackware to it) |
| 13:04.00 | babilen | lhunath: How did you install the jre? |
| 13:04.16 | abrotman | psychicist_: there is a #mipslinux .. dunno if they'd be any help |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | psychicist_: also check the MIPS installation manual |
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| 13:05.10 | abrotman | psychicist_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mipsel/ch02s04.html.en .. though i don't see USB listed |
| 13:05.12 | barbolbin | hi again |
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| 13:05.37 | valdyn | lenny just ships suns cacerts file it seems |
| 13:05.58 | psychicist_ | abrotman: I'm already a regular there, but I thought someone here from the Debian team might know more. Thanks for you help anyway, maybe I can ask Martin Michlmayer, if he still has access to his device, that is |
| 13:05.59 | lhunath | babilen: I didn't do it. |
| 13:06.02 | lhunath | :-/ |
| 13:06.14 | lhunath | it's got lenny and lenny-backports in /etc/apt/sources.conf |
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| 13:06.21 | houms | good day all I just updated my testing from kde 4.3.4 to kde4.4 and when I login it is just a blank screen. |
| 13:06.21 | lhunath | s/conf/list/ |
| 13:06.28 | babilen | lhunath: You might want to install ca-certificates-java from squeeze - /msg dpkg ssb (not sure how easy this is though) |
| 13:06.33 | houms | I can bring up krunner with alt+f2 and run apps |
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| 13:06.46 | houms | but the desktop is completely blank |
| 13:06.48 | valdyn | might be no need to backport |
| 13:06.50 | abrotman | psychicist_: there might be a #debian-mips on irc.oftc.net .. not sure |
| 13:07.06 | michalxo | essdeekay it works OK for me here... |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | psychicist_: i don't see one though .. sorry |
| 13:07.46 | psychicist_ | abrotman: I'll try to have a look there, thanks for all your help so far. |
| 13:07.49 | lhunath | so sid > lenny ? |
| 13:07.58 | valdyn | lhunath: what? |
| 13:08.07 | michalxo | newer, less stable |
| 13:08.07 | lhunath | which is the "later" release? |
| 13:08.15 | babilen | !tell lhunath about sid |
| 13:08.20 | valdyn | lhunath: sid is the development branch |
| 13:08.34 | lhunath | right. and lenny is the stable branch? |
| 13:08.38 | lhunath | then what is lenny-backports? |
| 13:08.38 | babilen | exactly |
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| 13:08.57 | michalxo | and squeeze too.. precedent of lenny |
| 13:09.00 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 13:09.00 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 13:09.21 | jelly | michalxo: that's opposite of precedent |
| 13:09.32 | valdyn | judd: versions openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 13:09.32 | judd | openjdk-6-jre-headless -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b11-9.1+lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8-1; sid: 6b18-1.8-2 |
| 13:09.34 | michalxo | descendant.. of course |
| 13:10.04 | babilen | valdyn: might be that ca-certificates-java was not ready when lenny was frozen |
| 13:10.20 | lhunath | I have 6b11-9.1+lenny2 |
| 13:10.35 | jordanm | ,depends ca-certicates-java |
| 13:10.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ca-certicates-java' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 13:10.39 | jordanm | ,depends ca-certicates-java --release sid |
| 13:10.40 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ca-certicates-java' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 13:10.51 | jordanm | ,depends ca-certificates-java --release sid |
| 13:10.53 | judd | ca-certificates-java -- depends: ca-certificates (>= 20090814), openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b16-1.6.1-2) | java6-runtime-headless. |
| 13:11.34 | lhunath | ,depends ca-certificates-java |
| 13:11.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ca-certificates-java' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 13:11.42 | lhunath | right. |
| 13:11.53 | lhunath | so what provides the cacerts in lenny? |
| 13:12.08 | valdyn | lhunath: in lenny the cacerts symlink does not exist and the cacerts file is shipped at: openjdk-6-jre-headless: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/security/cacerts |
| 13:12.15 | lhunath | I don't intend to upgrade to switch branch just for this keystore |
| 13:12.30 | lhunath | valdyn: that file is a symlink, though. |
| 13:12.36 | lhunath | not a keystore |
| 13:12.52 | lhunath | er |
| 13:13.01 | lhunath | hmm. are you sure it's not a symlink? |
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| 13:13.24 | valdyn | lhunath: no, i need to look it up |
| 13:13.41 | lhunath | either way; my 6b11-9.1+lenny2 has it as a symlink. |
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| 13:16.20 | lhunath | at this rate I might just ask someone to upload their cacerts keystore for me and call it done |
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| 13:17.15 | valdyn | lhunath: read: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501487 |
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| 13:18.20 | babilen | lhunath: You need to install ca-certificates-java |
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| 13:19.31 | valdyn | lhunath: so you can install just that sid package ^^^ or get the file from the java-gcj-compat-headless package for lenny |
| 13:19.40 | lhunath | this is nuts. now I need to switch branch just for a keystore |
| 13:19.42 | lhunath | hmm. |
| 13:19.59 | valdyn | lhunath: why would you think that you need to switch branch? |
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| 13:20.13 | valdyn | lhunath: no one would ever suggest that here |
| 13:20.20 | lhunath | I've had bad experiences with combining packages from different branches |
| 13:20.40 | valdyn | lhunath: then dont, you got told 2 solutions and mentioned one more yourself |
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| 13:21.11 | lhunath | you mean that installing a sid package is possible without switching to that branch? |
| 13:21.23 | lhunath | or being on both branches? |
| 13:21.35 | babilen | lhunath: yes - i told you that some time ago - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:21.52 | valdyn | ssb is not required most likely, just install it |
| 13:22.37 | valdyn | lhunath: or get the file from someone else or get it from the package java-gcj-compat-headless |
| 13:22.48 | babilen | valdyn: java-gcj-compat-headless ships the certs? |
| 13:23.01 | valdyn | babilen: yea, as mentioned in the bug report |
| 13:23.14 | valdyn | babilen: just copy it over to fix that broken symlink, thats all |
| 13:23.15 | lhunath | I don't know what "ssb" is, the factoid isn't very specific; all it explains is how I should rebuild my system to get "it" |
| 13:23.46 | jordanm | lhunath: ssb just means that you rebuild a source package intended for a different release for your system |
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| 13:24.36 | jordanm | apt makes it really easy to do... with apt-get including a -b (build) option |
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| 13:25.52 | babilen | lhunath: You have the following options (i) install java-gcj-compat-headless and copy the cacert file to the expected location (ii) download the ca-certificates-java package from sid and install it manually with dpkg -i (iii) backport ca-certificates-java from sid (aas detailed in the ssb factoid) and install it manually |
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| 13:26.42 | babilen | lhunath: pick your poison - you can also just get that file from somewhere (e.g. by unpacking ca-certificates-java) |
| 13:26.58 | eshat | hi all, I just hat 85 degree celsius for 20 Minutes on my Core i5-540M (mobile) while compiling a kernel, isn't that too hot and unhealthy ? |
| 13:27.36 | valdyn | eshat: ask your vendor |
| 13:27.39 | lhunath | thanks for the guidance. I installed the gcj package and made the symlink /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/jre/lib/security/cacerts |
| 13:27.50 | valdyn | asdf: that sensor on that cpu is in a corner, its not a good reference |
| 13:27.52 | OpenTokix | eshat: The cpu has built in overheat protection - so you don't need to worry to much about it. - It is however on the high side. |
| 13:28.03 | eshat | valdyn: is lenovo my vendor ? |
| 13:28.04 | valdyn | eshat: that sensor on that cpu is in a corner, its not a good reference |
| 13:28.10 | asdf | grumbles |
| 13:28.11 | jordanm | eshat: typically, yes. once they hit a certain point they usally throttle themselves down to prevent the chip from burning out |
| 13:28.20 | valdyn | eshat: how would I know? |
| 13:28.38 | eshat | valdyn: I just don't know what you mean by vendor, lenovo, intel,... ? |
| 13:28.46 | valdyn | eshat: lenovo |
| 13:28.50 | lhunath | doesn't this indicate that lenny's openjdk-headless needs to be fixed? |
| 13:29.00 | valdyn | lhunath: lenny does not get such fixes |
| 13:29.08 | eshat | jordanm: but is this feature also well programmed into the linux kernel ? |
| 13:29.19 | jordanm | valdyn: it will on a point release if it is broken bad enough |
| 13:29.21 | lhunath | strange definition of "stable" |
| 13:29.28 | eshat | jordanm: my fan was faster but I think 85 is a lot |
| 13:29.28 | valdyn | eshat: the kernel cant affect that feature, it can only notice it |
| 13:30.16 | babilen | !tell lhunath about stable |
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| 13:30.27 | babilen | lhunath: you might want to comment on that bug |
| 13:30.43 | jordanm | eshat: yes, 85 is hot. less so for a laptop, but usally < 60 is ideal. some of the later single core CPUs (pentium 4s) was not uncommon to get that hot though |
| 13:30.58 | woolala | 45, mine |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | 33 1/3 |
| 13:31.20 | woolala | lie |
| 13:31.29 | woolala | chinese can't make it |
| 13:31.32 | eshat | jordanm: well it was just while compiling the kernel with 5 threads |
| 13:31.44 | eshat | now it is 48 degree celsius |
| 13:32.04 | woolala | in a fridge? |
| 13:32.26 | ania_ | i have 80 C c2duo t7700 |
| 13:32.38 | ania_ | stressed' |
| 13:32.54 | woolala | salesmen said that multi-core would be cooler |
| 13:32.56 | lhunath | babilen: I can't find a means of doing so. |
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| 13:33.10 | woolala | wahaha |
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| 13:35.01 | babilen | lhunath: use reportbug (/msg dpkg reportbug) - and just choose the bug |
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| 13:37.57 | lhunath | # keytool -keystore /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/jre/lib/security/cacerts -list |
| 13:38.00 | lhunath | keytool error: java.io.IOException: Invalid keystore format |
| 13:38.03 | lhunath | sigh. |
| 13:38.45 | babilen | lhunath: Try ca-certificates-java |
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| 13:39.12 | lhunath | will do. you mentioned I could download the deb from somewhere; where can I find it? |
| 13:39.18 | babilen | lhunath: Don't you use java-6? |
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| 13:39.28 | lhunath | yes. |
| 13:39.32 | babilen | lhunath: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:40.02 | handjob | Hi. Just installed dwm from binaries. I am aware that source needs to be recompiled after commiting changes. How can I do that? |
| 13:40.09 | babilen | lhunath: remove the symlink before installing |
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| 13:41.39 | babilen | handjob: You would use a compiler for that - You can install the necessary toolchain by installing build-essential. I would recommend using a recent dwm checkout though. I honestly have no idea why Debian ships dwm as a binary package |
| 13:42.17 | babilen | handjob: A little knowledge of C might help if you want to use dwm as your window manager |
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| 13:43.43 | handjob | babilen: Thank You babilen . |
| 13:43.49 | handjob | Bye! |
| 13:43.57 | jken418 | !dvd |
| 13:43.57 | dpkg | i heard dvd is Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
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| 13:44.08 | icebrain | !tell jken418 about selftell |
| 13:44.09 | jken418 | oops ww sorry |
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| 13:45.23 | lhunath | "ca-certificates-java depends on ca-certificates (>= 20090814); however: Version of ca-certificates on system is 20080809." -- am I supposed to ignore this somehow or upgrade ca-certificates? |
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| 13:46.29 | jordanm | lhunath: upgrade ca-certificates |
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| 13:47.00 | babilen | ,versions ca-certificates |
| 13:47.01 | judd | ca-certificates -- etch: 20070303; etch-backports: 20080809~bpo40+1; lenny: 20080809; lenny-backports: 20090814~bpo50+1; sid: 20090814; squeeze: 20090814 |
| 13:47.14 | jordanm | backports, nice |
| 13:47.16 | babilen | lhunath: install it from backports |
| 13:47.36 | eml | Hi, I have an old PC that's running Debian, and the CPU fan on the AMD Athlon XP becomes noisy ranomdly while the PC isn't even being used. Is there an application that would let me set the fan speed to a constant value? |
| 13:47.49 | Russell_F36_ | iptables natting, with script http://pastebin.com/NMfGSGf8 can't access external ip internally, aka iphones access exchange server disconnects when using internal network |
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| 13:47.59 | lhunath | installed both the debs ;x |
| 13:48.04 | lhunath | seems to be fine now. cheers. |
| 13:48.10 | babilen | Russell_F36_: You might want to ask in #netfilter |
| 13:48.15 | lhunath | maybe I shouldn't be on lenny :-/ |
| 13:48.16 | babilen | lhunath: good :) |
| 13:48.31 | Russell_F36_ | ty |
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| 13:52.03 | runix__ | heyas. does anyone knows if ruby 1.9.1 is backported to lenny? |
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| 13:52.49 | abrotman | runix__: backports.org |
| 13:53.46 | runix__ | abrotman: yep, already tried but couldn't find it |
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| 13:57.23 | jeff_hann | eml, you better not; what cpu is that? |
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| 14:02.41 | amee2k | is there a way to make MD raid resync disks any faster than 10MB/s? |
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| 14:04.10 | teze | hello |
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| 14:04.25 | teze | ?? |
| 14:04.30 | teze | nobody? |
| 14:04.30 | eml | jeff_hann: An Athlon XP 1800+ |
| 14:04.32 | teze | in ? |
| 14:04.39 | teze | dpkg: |
| 14:04.39 | dpkg | teze: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:04.52 | teze | dpkg: |
| 14:04.52 | dpkg | teze: are you using Windows? |
| 14:05.01 | teze | who? |
| 14:05.01 | icebrain | teze: stop spamming, please. Do you have a question? |
| 14:05.11 | teze | teze: ??? |
| 14:05.19 | amee2k | farts out loud |
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| 14:05.26 | jeff_hann | eml, perhaps there are some backround tasks going on that use your CPU |
| 14:05.28 | amee2k | teze: there ya go :) |
| 14:05.33 | Weisser | Hi guys, is there any software that will let me cooperate with my friends that use SAM Broadcaster? |
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| 14:12.44 | jelly | amee2k: ls -l /sys/block/mdXXX/md/sync_speed* |
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| 14:14.17 | factor | can I upgrade to squeeze kde , something is a miss and wont let me upgrade. Are they in process of moving things around |
| 14:14.17 | eml | jeff_hann: load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 14:14.56 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:15.29 | jelly | factor: you can upgrade to squeeze. |
| 14:15.33 | jeff_hann | eml, if you are certain that there is nothing using CPU time, try fiddling with BIOS settings and, even better, update that BIOS |
| 14:15.47 | factor | do I need to upgrade to unstable to get kde |
| 14:15.58 | ethanol | huh |
| 14:16.06 | factor | testing kde is not working |
| 14:16.09 | jelly | factor: what are you smoking? |
| 14:16.15 | factor | even using aptitude |
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| 14:16.29 | ethanol | factor: what is wrong with stable? |
| 14:16.36 | factor | its not kde 4 |
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| 14:16.43 | ethanol | but it is stable |
| 14:17.02 | eml | jeff_hann: Updating its BIOS would probably be a good idea, though it's something I've never done before and I know is out of this channel's scope. Requires a floppy though, right? |
| 14:17.26 | factor | I will try unstable |
| 14:17.27 | jeff_hann | eml, not necessarily |
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| 14:17.44 | jeff_hann | eml, your mobo's website/manuals will explain |
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| 14:20.37 | amee2k | jelly: ah, nice. thanks :) |
| 14:20.57 | Altreus | Hi, I'm looking at /proc/bus/usb/devices - how can I find the mapping between these devices and the nodes in /dev? |
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| 14:30.08 | valdyn | Altreus: why would you do that? |
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| 14:41.59 | xconspirisist | Hey folks. I would like to monitor the activity on a file, specifically the read rate (in something like mbps) from a process on a file. If there is a way to check the read rate of all files from a process, that would be great. Does anybody know a way? |
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| 14:44.58 | Sm0ke0ut | checking out the readrate for the whole drive should be possible (don't ask me which program, I've really no clue either). But I'm sure its possible. For a single file is probably impossible |
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| 14:46.13 | babilen | xconspirisist: iotop comes to mind, but I'm not sure if you can restrict its output to a single file |
| 14:46.15 | factor | unstable doe snot have kde-standard either |
| 14:46.16 | jeff_hann | xconspirisist, something that may be close is iotop |
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| 14:46.33 | factor | anyone know of a non stnadard site to get kde4 |
| 14:46.37 | factor | in deb form |
| 14:46.43 | jeff_hann | factor, kde-full |
| 14:46.48 | xconspirisist | damn, I don't have iotop. |
| 14:46.57 | Sm0ke0ut | install it ? =) |
| 14:47.15 | factor | nope |
| 14:47.16 | xconspirisist | Can't :( Production systems. |
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| 14:47.31 | factor | no kde-full in testing or unstable |
| 14:47.52 | Altreus | valdyn: Because I need to put the device in the xorg conf for some reason |
| 14:47.57 | factor | any non std sites with kde4 |
| 14:48.02 | Altreus | Anyway I worked it out by catting various devices until I found the one I wanted |
| 14:48.06 | Altreus | thxbai |
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| 14:48.09 | jeff_hann | factor, what are you on about? |
| 14:48.19 | factor | unstable .. I need kde4 |
| 14:48.20 | jeff_hann | factor, and why non-standard? |
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| 14:48.21 | babilen | !tell factor about kde4 |
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| 14:48.34 | factor | becasue unstable or testing do not have kde |
| 14:48.48 | jeff_hann | I'm on testing/unstable |
| 14:48.58 | jeff_hann | and did aptitude search kde-full |
| 14:49.01 | jeff_hann | wtf |
| 14:49.03 | factor | remove kde and try to install it |
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| 14:49.20 | jeff_hann | factor, why would I wanna do that? |
| 14:49.21 | Sm0ke0ut | xconspirisist perhaps you can get something out of /proc/diskstats |
| 14:49.29 | factor | I have a messed up system on kde4 now and trying to install a fresh one and finding out it dont exist anymore |
| 14:49.43 | jeff_hann | factor, aptitude update ? |
| 14:49.50 | factor | nope |
| 14:50.05 | factor | kdebase is borked |
| 14:50.24 | xconspirisist | Sm0ke0ut: mm, I kinda need it on a per-file basis though :( |
| 14:50.28 | jeff_hann | factor, what do you mean 'borked' ? |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | factor: testing does have kde4 |
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| 14:50.53 | babilen | !tell factor about bat |
| 14:50.54 | factor | nope |
| 14:51.02 | factor | not all of it, like base |
| 14:51.13 | babilen | factor: I told you before that we can not help you if you don't provide more details about your problem. |
| 14:51.29 | factor | I am telling oyu kde dont exist |
| 14:51.30 | jeff_hann | factor, paste somewhere your sources.list |
| 14:51.35 | factor | aptitude or apt |
| 14:51.38 | babilen | factor: Statements like "it is borked" (i.a) do not help |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | factor: bullshit |
| 14:51.46 | jeff_hann | factor, you are wrong |
| 14:51.53 | factor | what ever just reporting |
| 14:51.57 | factor | its odnt exist |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | you're wrong |
| 14:52.02 | factor | nope |
| 14:52.09 | jeff_hann | :)) |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | factor: you clearly have an issue doing your own research .. so let me do it for you |
| 14:52.27 | abrotman | judd: versions kde-full |
| 14:52.29 | judd | kde-full -- squeeze: 5:60; sid: 5:61 |
| 14:52.35 | babilen | factor: *If* you want help follow the instructions dpkg just gave you. If you don't need help stop wasting our time ;) |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | judd: versions kde-standard |
| 14:52.44 | judd | kde-standard -- squeeze: 5:60; sid: 5:61 |
| 14:52.44 | factor | kde is offline |
| 14:52.48 | factor | and no longer exist |
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| 14:53.16 | abrotman | factor: please learn how to do some search and actual reading. KDE does exist in squeeze and sid. |
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| 14:53.33 | abrotman | some searching |
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| 14:54.28 | ethanol | kde is offline? what does that mean? :| |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | It means you don't know what you're doing. |
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| 14:56.29 | factorf2 | Just saying it dont exist. |
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| 14:56.57 | factorf2 | you can try aptitutde kde-full if you want |
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| 14:57.45 | craigevil | factorf2: it works just fine *if* you have the proper sources.list |
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| 14:58.58 | factorf2 | if you type aptitude kde-full you will get an option to still install but kdebase-workspace-bin wont be installed |
| 14:58.59 | babilen | factorf2: I can just repeat myself: Provide specific information about your problem as detailed in the "bat" factoid dpkg told you about or stop wasting our time. It is also not a good idea to circumvent bans/mutes by changing usernames/hosts .. |
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| 14:59.21 | factorf2 | how can I install kdebase-workspace-bin |
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| 15:00.40 | factorf2 | also plasma-scriptengines and kdemultimediawont install |
| 15:01.06 | factorf2 | pieaces that are core to kde at least the plasma stuff and kdebase |
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| 15:01.19 | babilen | factorf2: I don't believe you - prove it by providing relevant output (your last chance or welcome to my /ignore list) |
| 15:01.59 | factorf2 | your fault to follow false beliefs |
| 15:02.02 | craigevil | factorf2: apt-get install kde-full 0 upgraded, 207 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. works just fine here |
| 15:02.05 | factorf2 | type it your self |
| 15:02.11 | factorf2 | pretty simple |
| 15:02.15 | factorf2 | I gave you the task |
| 15:02.18 | valdyn | factorf2: you want help, not us |
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| 15:02.33 | factorf2 | I jam just reporting |
| 15:02.33 | valdyn | factorf2: now you can follow the rules or pay someone else and shut up |
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| 15:02.57 | factorf2 | I am just notifiying , no need for help |
| 15:03.25 | valdyn | factorf2: this is a support channel , "notifying" you can do at bugs.debian.org |
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| 15:08.43 | sdk_lnx | hello, is it a problem to remoe the following packages while removing exit4 : at* bsd-mailx* any idea ? |
| 15:09.01 | sdk_lnx | *exim4 |
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| 15:11.07 | babilen | sdk_lnx: Why are you removing exim4? If no other package depends on either at or bsd-mailx it should be safe to remove them. ; /msg dpkg why an mta |
| 15:11.42 | sdk_lnx | i'm installing postfix, and it removes exim |
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| 15:12.10 | sdk_lnx | is there a way to know if another package depend of at ? |
| 15:12.22 | babilen | just continue - if *you* want at or bsd-mailx you can "aptitude unmarkauto" them |
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| 15:12.59 | babilen | sdk_lnx: "aptitude why at" will tell you why it is installed. "apt-cache rdepends at" will list all packages that depend on at ... |
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| 15:13.52 | sdk_lnx | thank you , i'm trying this commands |
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| 15:15.07 | abrotman | sdk_lnx: so install postfix .. it sohuld remove exim ? |
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| 15:16.40 | skypce | hello ," i have a dude, Mount the USB device (i.e. /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX1) and copy the netinstall ISO image from #1 to the newly created |
| 15:16.41 | skypce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:16.46 | skypce | how can i do it? please |
| 15:16.51 | sdk_lnx | yes, i was just looking why when install postix remove the 4 packages of exim4, but if i do apt-get remove these 4 packages i have at and bsd-mailx removed |
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| 15:18.27 | uzwnsua1 | hallo |
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| 15:20.27 | wathek | hello all |
| 15:20.45 | wathek | would any one help me please I've mounted a hfs+ partition but I couldn't write into |
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| 15:21.25 | wathek | I'm logged in as root |
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| 15:22.02 | abrotman | wathek: yeah, you can't do that |
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| 15:22.10 | wathek | abrotman, huh ? |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | there is no HFS+ write support? |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | pretty sure hfs+ is sitll read-only in linux ? |
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| 15:22.51 | wathek | I see |
| 15:22.55 | wathek | coz I found this |
| 15:22.55 | wathek | http://raamdev.com/mounting-hfs-with-write-access-in-debian |
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| 15:23.33 | abrotman | wathek: note the part where it says "force at your own risk" ? |
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| 15:23.52 | abrotman | wathek: i don't have any hfs+ here .. |
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| 15:24.02 | abrotman | wathek: did you try the -o force ? |
| 15:24.21 | wathek | abrotman, no but mount tells me that the fs is in rw |
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| 15:25.00 | SerajewelKS | IIRC so does the non-3g ntfs driver |
| 15:25.03 | wathek | abrotman, with the -o force it works yes |
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| 15:25.07 | SerajewelKS | and its write support is limited at best |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | yay solution! |
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| 15:25.16 | abrotman | beers all around! |
| 15:26.48 | wathek | lol |
| 15:26.54 | SerajewelKS | you're gonna want to be drunk when the fs corruption loses all your data anyway |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | sorry .. not funny damn it! |
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| 15:28.38 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question..I have loglevel warn for apache2...and still I see notice warnings in my error.log |
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| 15:28.45 | abrotman | factor: please don't evade your ban |
| 15:29.24 | epsilon | ? |
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| 15:29.31 | factor | ppsft |
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| 15:31.18 | Mikaze | anyone know how to put $@ in the middle of an alias? IE: alias mg='grep "$@" | more' |
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| 15:31.34 | umarzuki | hi, is it possible for me to try learn setting up openvpn on a single computer? virtualization maybe? |
| 15:31.38 | jordanm | Mikaze: AFAIK, you need a function, not an alias |
| 15:32.07 | Mikaze | Ahkay. thank you. |
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| 15:32.41 | SerajewelKS | umarzuki: sure, virtualbox, kvm, whatever you like |
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| 15:32.53 | abrotman | Mikaze: maybe ask #bash ? |
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| 15:33.28 | DASPRiD | steps from the cable |
| 15:33.28 | jordanm | gah... my netsplit filter must be failing |
| 15:33.29 | DASPRiD | sorry :) |
| 15:33.38 | abrotman | jordanm: it's not a real netsplit |
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| 15:33.43 | epsilon | whoever it is, please remove your chair from fiber cable |
| 15:33.44 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: don't think "ping timeout" means a netsplit |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | or not appearing as such |
| 15:33.49 | umarzuki | SerajewelKS: how can i do that? i mean the kind of setup fo host and guest vm |
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| 15:34.01 | Mikaze | A fake netsplit? |
| 15:34.02 | SerajewelKS | umarzuki: virtualbox.org |
| 15:34.11 | abrotman | maybe there's a fire in that baltimore tunnel again :) |
| 15:34.11 | SerajewelKS | IT'S A TRAP! |
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| 15:34.15 | epsilon | guess a server crashed or not available |
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| 15:34.23 | DASPRiD | probably america just lost it's internet connection |
| 15:34.24 | clint- | man its been a while.. ;) |
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| 15:34.37 | icebrain | hadn't noticed, hooray for weechat's smart_filter |
| 15:34.38 | SerajewelKS | DASPRiD: then i wouldn't be here... |
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| 15:34.44 | DASPRiD | SerajewelKS, hm |
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| 15:34.48 | clint- | with Internet assigned number authority lol |
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| 15:34.50 | clint- | :) |
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| 15:35.02 | abrotman | DASPRiD: hostmasks from all over the world it would appear |
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| 15:35.07 | epsilon | blame Skynet :) |
| 15:35.09 | clint- | heya everyone |
| 15:35.11 | abrotman | jordanm: you can just ignore all parts/joins/splits ? |
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| 15:35.22 | clint- | hows debian stability been |
| 15:35.23 | abrotman | wonders if clint- is The Clint ? |
| 15:35.25 | Weisser | hi anyone uses idjc and could help me out with some simple problems? |
| 15:35.26 | Mikaze | Lazy as American workers are, I wouldn't be surprized. Especially in Granolafornia, the Trail-Mix state. Land of fruits, nuts, and flakes. |
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| 15:35.31 | clint- | used to go by Zoo abchirk |
| 15:35.33 | clint- | abrotman: |
| 15:35.36 | clint- | clint is my real name though |
| 15:35.36 | abrotman | uhm .. nope |
| 15:35.43 | clint- | clint burford |
| 15:35.46 | Da_Wrecka | Granolafornia, have to remember that one |
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| 15:36.00 | clint- | I'm a registered freenode supporter |
| 15:36.12 | clint- | active status |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | Mikaze: are you done trolling? |
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| 15:36.19 | clint- | hey abrotman |
| 15:36.22 | clint- | how you been |
| 15:36.27 | Mikaze | Frank Zappa has a nice song about California called "Flakes." |
| 15:36.39 | clint- | is dependency hell any better? |
| 15:36.47 | abrotman | clint-: do you have an actual support question? |
| 15:36.51 | clint- | its been since 207 or 2008 |
| 15:36.57 | clint- | 2007 |
| 15:37.01 | clint- | since I worked with debian etc.. |
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| 15:37.16 | clint- | yes.. hows the dependency hell, has it got better? |
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| 15:37.24 | dbbolton | when i log into a KDE session, the splash screen appears, followed by a totally black screen with a cursor. i can access krunner by pressing alt+f2, but that's it. |
| 15:37.25 | jeff_hann | wtf |
| 15:37.27 | abrotman | clint-: please go somewhere else |
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| 15:37.45 | wald0 | im trying to remap my keyboard with AltGr for have some special keys... but the J and the N not works, why not ? looks like not accepted by X |
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| 15:38.20 | jordanm | dbbolton: if you create a new user, does the new user's KDE session work? |
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| 15:38.28 | clint- | I'm just asking a serious question, and you can't even answer it? |
| 15:38.32 | Scala | I'm trying to make a simple debian package that I can distribute internally, but I want to make the debian package installer add an 'applications' menu entry for the item. Could someone point me in the direction of reading material which explains how to do this? |
| 15:38.34 | clint- | geesh |
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| 15:38.43 | abrotman | clint-: try it and find out |
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| 15:39.12 | dbbolton | jordanm: no, i'm just setting up kde for the first time for these accounts |
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| 15:39.27 | dbbolton | i just went through the settings migration wizard |
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| 15:39.55 | jordanm | dbbolton: what I meant was a fresh user without existing KDE settings/configuration in their homedir |
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| 15:40.20 | dbbolton | jordanm: yes, that is the case |
| 15:40.41 | dbbolton | should i try mv-ing the .kde folder? |
| 15:40.50 | jordanm | dbbolton: I would, yes |
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| 15:42.04 | Mikaze | abrotman: America invented Windows. Nuf said? <grins> |
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| 15:42.36 | abrotman | people .. are weird |
| 15:42.45 | wols_ | people are morons |
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| 15:43.18 | wols_ | you will have to wait a long time |
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| 15:46.53 | ronner | Hi, I'm running debian 5 server and having some trouble installing some basic startup applications (nano, php etc...), however, I seem to get "E: Couldn't find package" regardless of what I try. Can anyone help? |
| 15:46.56 | Weisser | anyone knows idjc channel? |
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| 15:48.57 | babilen | !tell ronner about bat |
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| 15:49.13 | babilen | ronner: Could you provide the information dpkg just told you about? |
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| 15:49.42 | ronner | Hold on babilen |
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| 15:50.49 | paxcoder | so this is what's up: |
| 15:50.50 | paxcoder | E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error) |
| 15:50.50 | paxcoder | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 15:51.23 | krisfremen | paxcoder: check permissions?? |
| 15:51.25 | paxcoder | that's from apt-get update (as well as dist-upgrade), what's the workaround, are there obsolete repos or something, want me to paste sources? |
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| 15:51.48 | ronner | babilen: after running the command "sudo apt-get install nano" I recieve the output "Reading package lists... Done Building dependancy tree... Done E: Couldn't find package: nano" |
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| 15:51.58 | ronner | The problem persists regardless of what I try and install. |
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| 15:52.26 | paxcoder | krisfremen: what permissions? i'm root. |
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| 15:53.06 | jordanm | paxcoder: even root can not write to a read only partition. That error looks to be a hardware issue however |
| 15:53.29 | babilen | ronner: please read what dpkg told you :) |
| 15:53.34 | paxcoder | :-S |
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| 15:53.52 | jordanm | nano is part of the base install... |
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| 15:56.57 | paxcoder | jordanm: any reason why it would be ro? nano-ing files to both partitions work. |
| 15:57.01 | tbsaunde | paxcoder: sounds like a ba disk maybe? |
| 15:57.28 | paxcoder | but i'm running the system from it (and only it) |
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| 15:58.05 | jordanm | paxcoder: that does not mean that the sector that it was attempting to read was not bad. check out dmesg |
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| 15:59.07 | ronner | babilen: Sorry about that, one second. |
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| 15:59.34 | paxcoder | jordanm: yeah, that's probably it. are there any file systems that support blacklists of sectors? |
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| 16:00.34 | ronner | babilen: http://pastebin.org/248600 <- was that what you wanted? |
| 16:00.38 | jimcooncat | paxcoder: not sure this is the same, but reiserfs can use info put out by badblocks |
| 16:01.41 | jordanm | ronner: yes, you are missing repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:01.45 | jordanm | !sources.list |
| 16:01.45 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 16:02.30 | jordanm | ronner: you can probably just copy the example |
| 16:03.08 | ronner | jordanm: Ok thanks very much for that. Could you tell me what the country code for the US is? (I'm not from the US myself, but it's where my server is located.) |
| 16:03.38 | jordanm | ronner: "us" |
| 16:03.41 | babilen | ronner: that would be "us" ;) |
| 16:03.41 | wald0 | why the AltGr + N and AltGr + J are ignored ? there's a hardware-related problem or it is not supported by X11 ? |
| 16:03.47 | paxcoder | jimcooncat: could this be caused by incompatible electronics (hdd controler)? keep in mind i can read/write to most parts of the disk. |
| 16:04.15 | ronner | Oh right, haha! Not like it was staring me in the face or anything. Lack of sleep ;) |
| 16:04.22 | tbsaunde | paxcoder: that sounds like bad blocks |
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| 16:05.04 | paxcoder | tbsaunde: yes, it does. i'm just asking because i recently replaced the controler with a similar (but not the same) one. |
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| 16:05.07 | babilen | ronner: You *might* want to add "contrib" and "non-free" as well after "main" ; /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:05.07 | tbsaunde | paxcoder: maybe, just see what dmesg | tail says |
| 16:05.13 | jimcooncat | paxcoder: sure, or bad cabling, coffee spills, all sorts of stuff. I would move off the hardware if there's any choice. |
| 16:05.15 | wald0 | why the AltGr + N combination and AltGr + J are not available ? it is a hardware problem or not supported by X11 ? |
| 16:05.28 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 16:05.52 | babilen | wald0: What are they supposed to do? And repeating your question is generally not necessary |
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| 16:06.01 | factor | It would be cool if debian had experimental filesystem on install |
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| 16:06.26 | oreo | Hey everyone! How can I enabled serial console on grub kernel lines and be sure they won't be changed back by update-grub? |
| 16:06.36 | wald0 | babilen: all the rest of keys are assigned to something, for example C = copyright, E = euro, etc.. i want to remap h,j,k,l to be "arrow keys", all of them works EXCEPT the J |
| 16:06.39 | paxcoder | jimcooncat: it's my home pc, tbsaunde here's the tail: http://pastebin.org/248620 |
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| 16:08.50 | wald0 | and if im not wrong, there's no any other "modifier" key than Shift and AltGr... Control and Alt doesn't modify, if im correct |
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| 16:09.12 | tbsaunde | paxcoder: hm, not really sure, try smartctl that might be useful, but I generally agreee with jimcooncat move off the bad hardware |
| 16:09.21 | Abhishek_Singh | folks:please suggest the best tool to create Makefile for a software |
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| 16:09.50 | oreo | nevermind; i think i got it |
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| 16:10.04 | paxcoder | tbsaunde: will check tbsaunde, jimcooncat: hw is a lot of expensive things, be more specific. |
| 16:10.12 | wald0 | Abhishek_Singh: automake ? |
| 16:10.37 | Abhishek_Singh | wald0:have you worked with that? |
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| 16:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: vi |
| 16:11.39 | wald0 | Abhishek_Singh: not much, if im not wrong, generates all the makefiles and control files stuff that you should want, made a look to some free softwares around in a google search (small softwares) and see how they are made, they should have a file called autogen.sh |
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| 16:12.53 | Abhishek_Singh | wald0:the software of which i am currently interested to make the makefile is basically coded in PHP,XML and javascript |
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| 16:13.55 | Abhishek_Singh | wald0:can you please tell me the starting steps that i should proceed in order to create the makefile? |
| 16:14.22 | Weisser | Hi guys i was trying to install idjc from source, and configure complains about no suitable python interpreter. I have installed latest python interpreter just prior to issuing ./configure... what could be the problem? |
| 16:14.33 | wald0 | Abhishek_Singh: automake is very compatible with a lof of platforms and compile/install methods, but i dont know about php... you should make a look to the official website, use simple main rules in the file Makefile.am |
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| 16:15.14 | babilen | Weisser: Which Python version do you have installed and which version does idjc need? |
| 16:15.15 | scummos_ | isn't automake currently replaced by cmake in most projects? |
| 16:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: Any legitimate software should have a README file, and possibly an INSTALL file. |
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| 16:15.41 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: If you don't have at least those, I'd seriously reconsider installing it. |
| 16:15.44 | Weisser | babilen, idjc is either porrly documented, or the docs are well hidden from me :F i dont know which, so i installed latest |
| 16:16.00 | Weisser | do you think it might need earlier? |
| 16:16.01 | babilen | Weisser: Which Debian branch are you tracking? How are you trying to install idjc from source? |
| 16:16.04 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: You're risking your system if you install something that hasn't been adequately packaged. |
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| 16:16.27 | paxcoder | tbsaunde: i've got nothing from smartctl |
| 16:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: You're also breaking the package management system, and you may not be able to uninstall the software if it causes problems. |
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| 16:16.36 | jimcooncat | paxcoder: I don't know how to be helpful here. Your situation is like, "I have a hard drive problem, do you think it could be my hard drive?" |
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| 16:16.44 | babilen | Weisser: The Debian package in sid depends on python2.6 |
| 16:16.44 | fglpw | Abhishek_Singh: php, xml doesn't need to be compiled, just run them on a webserver |
| 16:16.49 | Weisser | babilen, i am on testing debian, and i proceed according to a guide posted on ubuntu forums. i grabbed the latest 0.8.2 tar package of idjc and installed all necessary and optional requirementsa |
| 16:16.51 | Abhishek_Singh | jhutchins_lt:i ahve been assigned to make its .deb fpackage for the software by a client |
| 16:16.59 | babilen | ,versions idjc |
| 16:17.02 | judd | idjc -- sid: 0.8.2-2; squeeze: 0.8.2-2 |
| 16:17.03 | Abhishek_Singh | s/ahve/have |
| 16:17.15 | babilen | Weisser: Any reason why you don't just install the Debian package? |
| 16:17.18 | Weisser | then i tried "./configure --enable lame", and as it failed, for test purposes i tried "./configure" alone |
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| 16:17.33 | Weisser | babilen, yes, it seems it does not work good with shoutcast and/or lame |
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| 16:17.44 | babilen | Weisser: I guess you want to compile idjc with lame support, correct? |
| 16:17.47 | Weisser | yes |
| 16:17.50 | babilen | !tell Weisser -about package recompile |
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| 16:18.01 | paxcoder | tbsaunde: with --all it did. hmm... |
| 16:18.16 | babilen | Weisser: Adjust the configuration in debian/rules and recompile the Debian package |
| 16:18.26 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: There is documentation on building .deb packages from source on http://wiki.debian.org |
| 16:18.42 | Weisser | babilen, thanks i hope you'll help me out with this if i run into any problems, ok? |
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| 16:18.52 | Weisser | at last if you are still here |
| 16:18.58 | Weisser | least* |
| 16:19.05 | Weisser | cause i need to go afk for a short while |
| 16:19.11 | babilen | Weisser: Just ask you questions - I will not sign a support contract! (Or if I do, you'll have to pay me :-p) |
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| 16:19.50 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:do you some experience in making .deb package for those softwares that don't have a makefile |
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| 16:21.03 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: Does the package have a README or INSTALL file? |
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| 16:22.19 | flo|linux | hi |
| 16:22.21 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:yes it currently has a installation script to perform its installation |
| 16:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 16:22.25 | flo|linux | does lenny do KMS automatically? |
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| 16:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: Read the script then. |
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| 16:23.30 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 16:23.57 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:i tried some of the manuals, but the problem is, that software asks for many paramers to be given by a user while installing |
| 16:24.19 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:i need to present GUI to a normaluser in order to input those parameters |
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| 16:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: Then you need more than IRC can give you. |
| 16:24.37 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:theese manual dont tell how to create those GUI] |
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| 16:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: There is a programming article in this month's LinuxPro magazine on some utilities that can do that, but you're talking about some fairly advanced scripting. |
| 16:26.17 | madbrain | hi folks, I have a question about cat /sys/class/net/[DEVICE]/statistics/multicast. Is that a number of errors or is that a number of done multicasts? |
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| 16:26.57 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:i am currently thinking of to make a make file for that software and then try to make a .deb file |
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| 16:27.33 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:because making a .deb package for a software which has a makefile is easier |
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| 16:28.11 | aiux | !mentor |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:28.27 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:now i think you have some idea about what i have to do, do you? |
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| 16:28.50 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:please suggest some links for tht |
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| 16:29.07 | aiux | Abhishek_Singh, see #debian-mentors above |
| 16:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: Yes, you need to find the documentation for the package, read it, read through the script to see how it installs the package, and read the directions from the wiki pages on how to build software. |
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| 16:29.37 | boboysdadda | ok so i installed flash following these instructions http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer and i still don't have flash any ideas on what i did wrong or i'm missing? |
| 16:29.43 | themill | Abhishek_Singh: perhaps you need to learn how to do either some bash scripting (/msg dpkg bash) or write a makefile yourself that does this (/msg dpkg make) |
| 16:29.53 | Abhishek_Singh | aiux:thats an invite only channel |
| 16:30.11 | themill | Abhishek_Singh: wrong network. Please read the factoid through to the end. |
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| 16:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | Abhishek_Singh: You're working with something that can seriously mess up a system, you need to know more than "run this". |
| 16:31.56 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:i know how the things are going on in that software |
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| 16:32.19 | Abhishek_Singh | <jhutchins_lt>:that software is basically a GIS software, it wont harm my system |
| 16:32.37 | Shtl | usually why scripts run with "sh file.sh" command but not with "./file.sh" unless we chmod a+x it |
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| 16:33.06 | paxcoder | a? |
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| 16:33.43 | paxcoder | all - nice to know |
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| 16:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | boboysdadda: It's pretty tough for us to tell you anything when you haven't said which release of Debian you're on, or what happened during the various steps outlined in the document. |
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| 16:37.09 | jhutchins_lt | boboysdadda: We can tell you that you have to close all of your browser windows and re-open them before it works, but without any information that's it. |
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| 16:42.08 | wald0 | can anybody tell me if AltGr + N shows a strange char ? maybe ñ ? |
| 16:42.17 | wald0 | aparently is Ñ for US keyboard mappings |
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| 16:42.49 | boboysdadda | jhutchins, i tried that |
| 16:43.01 | boboysdadda | what information do u need? |
| 16:43.22 | boboysdadda | i'm running debian 5.0 lenny |
| 16:43.29 | vlt | Hello. I have two linux machines connected via IP network and two webcams. What do I need to make a "video call"? (I tried with two gmail XMPP accounts and pidgin but couldn't see the remote video yet.) |
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| 16:44.25 | boboysdadda | it installed the flashplayer plugin and then downloaded a tar.gz of adobe flash player |
| 16:45.16 | wald0 | please somebody tell me that AltGr + N shows something different than a "n" |
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| 16:48.31 | wald0 | nobody has something different than "n" ? |
| 16:50.03 | wald0 | wonders if anybody is trying it |
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| 16:50.47 | arm3n | hey all |
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| 16:51.03 | cahoot | wald0: you realize the result is probably dependent on kb-map? |
| 16:51.22 | babilen | wald0: That depends on the keyboard layout you are using. I guess that you want something like 'setxkbmap -layout "us" -variant "intl"' |
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| 16:52.49 | abiko | Hello :) |
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| 16:53.03 | abiko | can somebody explain what does this message mean? |
| 16:53.04 | abiko | ondemand governor failed, too long transition latency of HW, |
| 16:53.04 | abiko | fallback to performance governor |
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| 16:53.47 | icebrain | abiko: IINM, it means that your CPU can't switch the mode (powersave, performance, etc) dynamically |
| 16:53.52 | wald0 | babilen: good!, it works with this layout... but if i use spanish keymap it doesn't works, why ? mmh... i have tried to hack the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/es file but doesn't change anything, i have wonder that was a problem of hardware but now i see that works |
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| 16:53.56 | icebrain | abiko: you can only change it manually |
| 16:54.12 | abiko | does this have anything to do with network? |
| 16:54.18 | icebrain | abiko: no |
| 16:54.24 | wald0 | babilen: cahoot: i wonder how i can enable this key in the spanish keymap (not looks like recognized, it simply doesn't works even if i setup a value with xmodmap) |
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| 16:54.49 | babilen | wald0: Are you using a desktop environment? |
| 16:55.05 | wald0 | babilen: no kde/gnome, yes, X |
| 16:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: When using dead key compose, you need to enter TWO keys to combine, like Altgr, n, ~ |
| 16:56.13 | babilen | wald0: There are probably other variants for the "es" layout --- one of them might just use nodeadkeys - hang on .. Does jhutchins_lt method give you the ñ? |
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| 16:57.17 | wald0 | jhutchins_lt: not sure to understand you... for example, this doesn't do anything for me: xmodmap -e "keysym n = n N A A A A" (it should show an A when pressing with AltGr) |
| 16:57.57 | wald0 | babilen: no, when pressing AltGr and N, i directly have an "n" printed (no delay) |
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| 16:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Then you don't have AltGr set up for dead key compose. |
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| 17:01.27 | wald0 | jhutchins_lt: not sure to understand you, is this an option of the xorg.conf file ? |
| 17:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: No, it's something you need to look up on the web if you want to set it up. |
| 17:01.57 | wald0 | ok, let me see |
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| 17:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: I don't think xmodmap works the way you think it does, but I don't use it. |
| 17:03.17 | wald0 | jhutchins_lt: in any case, what im trying to do is to use AltGr with the keys h,j,k,l so set them to be like "arrow keys", is very annoying to leave my keyboard zone to go to the arrow zone everytime i need them, i have worked a while with a HHKB keyboard and now im unable to work on the normal arrows mode lol |
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| 17:04.01 | wald0 | for example: xmodmap -e "keysym h = h H h H Left Left" |
| 17:04.16 | wald0 | works all of them, except the key J, that aparently N has the same problem |
| 17:06.00 | vlt | Hello. Did anyone use Pidgin or another IM client for video calls via XMPP (gmail accounts) before and could help me locate my problem here? |
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| 17:08.29 | abrotman | vlt: possibly #pidgin |
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| 17:09.12 | babilen | vlt: You could also look into ekiga for something SIP based |
| 17:09.50 | wald0 | frustrated with that stupid key that doesn't has J working |
| 17:10.43 | Shtl | !vlc |
| 17:10.43 | dpkg | [vlc] VLC media player, a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project, packaged for Debian. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Embedded video is buggy in 0.9.x, see http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51124 and VLC ticket #2136; resolved as of version 1.0.0. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org. |
| 17:11.04 | babilen | Shtl: "/msg dpkg topic" ;) |
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| 17:15.03 | vlt | babilen: Any idea what SIP server software supports video calls? |
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| 17:15.30 | dutchfish | hi, why is this still not in the repos? http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-kde/news/20100518T163907Z.html (tagged emergency) |
| 17:16.09 | wald0 | jhutchins_lt: babilen cahoot: what i really wonder is why with the US-intl layout i have the AltGr working with N but with the keymap in ES (spanish) it doesn't do anything |
| 17:16.25 | wald0 | sorry for the ping, im a bit frustrated trying to make it working |
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| 17:16.48 | jordanm | dutchfish: I believe they changed the name of the package |
| 17:16.53 | jordanm | ,versions kde-desktop |
| 17:16.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-desktop' was found. |
| 17:16.59 | jordanm | ,versions kde-full |
| 17:17.00 | judd | kde-full -- squeeze: 5:60; sid: 5:61 |
| 17:17.04 | babilen | vlt: asteriskt *might* support that - you can ask in #asterisk #debian-voip (OFTC) and #ekiga |
| 17:17.07 | jordanm | dutchfish: yep, kde-full now |
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| 17:17.27 | vlt | babilen: Thanks |
| 17:17.30 | dutchfish | jordanm: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-kde.html |
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| 17:18.04 | babilen | vlt: I was always on the customer side ;) |
| 17:18.08 | jordanm | dutchfish: hmm, says migrated to testing today |
| 17:18.09 | dutchfish | jordanm: yes, and it is *not* in the us repos (waiting for more then a day now) |
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| 17:19.08 | dutchfish | jordanm: or am i wrong because of the timezone jump? |
| 17:19.10 | vlt | babilen: All I want is a video connection between two linux machines ... :( |
| 17:19.19 | aguitel | i am using squeeze and i have ethernet connect with internet but icon say :no network connected ,how solve this? |
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| 17:20.06 | dutchfish | jordanm: thank you for trying to help me btw |
| 17:20.06 | jordanm | dutchfish: no, it should be there.. the source packages appear available: http://packages.debian.org/source/testing/meta-kde |
| 17:20.13 | babilen | vlt: Install ekiga - get an account on their servers and voila --- you might want to consider skype as well |
| 17:20.16 | dutchfish | nods |
| 17:20.55 | vlt | babilen: skype and linux? |
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| 17:21.20 | jordanm | dutchfish: I would say possible it needs to be reviewed by the ftpmasters, but I don't think that is the case with sid -> testing migrations |
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| 17:21.32 | dutchfish | jordanm: true again |
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| 17:22.29 | babilen | vlt: yes - skype and linux |
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| 17:22.43 | icebrain | vlt: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ |
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| 17:23.10 | babilen | !tell vlt about skype |
| 17:23.17 | babilen | vlt: Are you using amd64? |
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| 17:23.29 | vlt | babilen: I know that it works ... but still ... skype and linux? |
| 17:23.31 | km | pastebin.com is not available, is there another site i can use? |
| 17:23.31 | icebrain | sorry dutchfish |
| 17:23.54 | dalfz | hi, after i did a system update i cannot boot. it says it cannot wait for my root partition to show up, and it isnt listed in /dev. were some drivers removed from the initramfs lately (for the disk controller)? |
| 17:23.55 | babilen | vlt: What is wrong with that? |
| 17:24.04 | vlt | babilen: No, i386 on both sides |
| 17:24.05 | dragos240 | How do I grep like this: get something between character / and .jpg. I tried /*.jpg, no luck. |
| 17:24.06 | icebrain | !tell km about paste |
| 17:24.06 | jordanm | km: paste.debian.net |
| 17:24.10 | babilen | km: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:24.16 | km | thanks |
| 17:24.31 | babilen | vlt: and debian stable? |
| 17:24.35 | vlt | babilen: I don't know what the skype software really does ... |
| 17:24.41 | vlt | babilen: lenny |
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| 17:24.55 | aguitel | i am running squeeze and nm-applet indicates that network is down, but the network is OK ,how fix this ? |
| 17:24.56 | jordanm | dragos240: what is your goal for this? it almost sounds like your working around needing to do parameter expansions? |
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| 17:25.35 | wald0 | hates the impotence feeling |
| 17:25.43 | babilen | vlt: skype is a proprietary chat/videochat/voip client |
| 17:25.46 | eikenberry | I'm looking to change one of my machines to use ext2 (instead of ext3) for / (including /boot) on one of my machines. I changed its fstab entry and rebooted and /proc/mounts still shows it as ext3. I noticed grub's menu.lst has rootflags=data=writeback. Is that causing it or do I need to update the initrd image or something? |
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| 17:26.38 | jordanm | dragos240: anyways... its: grep '/.*\.jpg'. you were trying to use shell globbing instead of grep's regex |
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| 17:27.16 | dutchfish | wald0: maybe this cna help making a keyb with dead intl keys doe snot work on all languages, par example: NL with NL keyb works but not US with NL keyb |
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| 17:27.29 | dragos240 | Is '. included, or is that a period at the end |
| 17:27.35 | dragos240 | quotes are nice |
| 17:27.44 | wald0 | dutchfish: whats the cause that dosnt works ? |
| 17:27.51 | magno | hi |
| 17:28.00 | magno | i have problem |
| 17:28.08 | dutchfish | wald0: no clue, but i can confirm this on squeeze x86_64 |
| 17:28.15 | jordanm | dragos240: single quotes in bash prevent the shell from expanding the expression |
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| 17:28.46 | magno | i have problem with Kde, Nepomuk Semantic Desktop Virtuoso RFD ..... |
| 17:29.13 | jordanm | dragos240: e.g. without the quotes the shell would try to expand "*" prior to passing it to grep. |
| 17:29.14 | dragos240 | ah, I was just wondering the way you typed it. Thanks, that's all I'll be needing. What's that other method you mentioned, for future reference. |
| 17:29.21 | dutchfish | wald0: have tried setting tzdata again too? if you debootstrap a debian this problem pops up regular at my site |
| 17:30.14 | dutchfish | wald0: (at least in squeeze, i cant confirm for lenny) |
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| 17:30.23 | wald0 | dutchfish: tzdata doesn't use debconf (in the time that i have tried it) but i dont think that this will be the problem |
| 17:30.29 | jordanm | dragos240: well, I was saying the question sounded like you were trying work around doing something like: for i in *.jpg; do echo "$i"; done |
| 17:30.36 | dutchfish | !tzdata |
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| 17:30.55 | Weisser | babilen, can i do what yo told me to do beginning with "apt-get source idjc" ? |
| 17:31.00 | wald0 | dutchfish: any clue of how i can set teh keys "hjkl" in other "combination" way so that they will be arrow keys ? if im not wrong, only Shift and AltGr can modify them |
| 17:31.08 | wald0 | control and Alt doesn't |
| 17:31.14 | jordanm | dragos240: what is your overall goal? |
| 17:31.24 | dragos240 | No I needed to extract data out of a .xml file. I need photographs out of a .xml file. I could copy and paste the urls manually, but that would take a while |
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| 17:32.11 | dragos240 | that is m goal |
| 17:32.11 | jordanm | dragos240: well, that could do it. otherwise you would want something with an XML parsing lib |
| 17:33.06 | dutchfish | wald0: i would start with same lang and keyb | dpkg-reconfigure locales | and make sure this is really a keyb set that has dead keys |
| 17:33.24 | babilen | Weisser: Give me a second - I'll take a look at the package. |
| 17:33.26 | dutchfish | wald0: try with utf-8 |
| 17:33.54 | dutchfish | wald0: i dont know what language you use and keyb setting |
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| 17:34.29 | dragos240 | I see. Also I need a good link for other major commands to use in BASH. I've been with linux for about 2 years now, and I thought that today would be good to learn other obscure commands. I know most of the major ones, and I use the terminal daily, it's just grep and some others. |
| 17:34.32 | wald0 | dutchfish: i use utf8, spanish (es) keymap, mmh, im not sure about dead keys... they has a "delay" when using ? |
| 17:34.49 | dutchfish | wald0: no delay |
| 17:35.09 | dutchfish | wald0: alt-gr foo works instantly |
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| 17:35.22 | cusco | hello! |
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| 17:35.33 | jordanm | dragos240: man bash; check out the section on builtin commands which you should always try to use instead of external commands such as grep |
| 17:35.35 | AimHere | 'man bash' will give you the gory bash details in a 'too much information' stylee |
| 17:35.49 | dragos240 | Thanks everyone! :) |
| 17:35.56 | dutchfish | wald0: one more thing the console need also settings (i forgot how however) |
| 17:35.57 | jordanm | dragos240: also, /join #bash and check out the links in the topic. the bashfaq and pitfalls is a very nice read |
| 17:36.03 | AimHere | Probably some decent Linux tutorial, like the Rute User's guide might help if you just want a relatively friendly intro to bash |
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| 17:37.06 | wald0 | dutchfish: when i press AltGr with other keys they works by default, for example C = copyright (¢), E = euro (€), etc |
| 17:37.17 | cusco | I have got a question adn I don't know the propper channel to ask! |
| 17:37.29 | cusco | my boss is looking for a web CRM software |
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| 17:37.37 | cusco | anybody wanna trow some hints? |
| 17:37.46 | dutchfish | wald0: it was dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 17:38.21 | dutchfish | wald0: what debian version do you use? |
| 17:38.45 | babilen | Weisser: Yes, that looks like a good approach. You have to install whatever -dev library is needed for lame (probably libtwolame-dev or twolame) and add the configure option to enable lame to the "dh_auto_configure" line (in the end - line 13) |
| 17:38.46 | petemc | cusco: sugarcrm is apparently popular |
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| 17:39.11 | cusco | petemc: the web site seemd too.. err comercial even tho its open source |
| 17:39.19 | cusco | but I guess I can give it a try, thanks |
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| 17:39.22 | Weisser | babilen, alk to me like to a fool, what is my next step? :D if i do things on my own, instead o learning i will simly mess something up :( |
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| 17:39.44 | jordanm | cusco: you will likely find CRM software to be mostly a big-business proprietary thing |
| 17:39.54 | babilen | Weisser: Give me a second |
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| 17:41.47 | tharkun | FWIW CRM softwares is mostly a situation tracking software, call it prospects or call them bugs. I've seen a few companies use bugzilla to track their clients actions |
| 17:42.27 | eikenberry | Answering my own question. I removed the rootflags=data=writeback bit and added rootfstype=ext2 and rebooted and it worked. |
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| 17:42.44 | babilen | Weisser: Have you installed whatever library is needed for lame? |
| 17:42.44 | eikenberry | Oh, that change was to the grub/menu.lst file. |
| 17:42.52 | Weisser | babilen, i think so |
| 17:43.09 | Weisser | if not, what's worst that could happen? i'll get an error and know what i need to install still |
| 17:43.10 | Weisser | :p |
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| 17:44.45 | babilen | Weisser: Ok - Have you downloaded the source package? If yes, edit idjc-0.8.2/debian/rules and add whatever configure options enables lame in line 13 (the one that starts with dh_auto_configure) |
| 17:44.53 | kpoman | hi to all |
| 17:45.10 | babilen | Weisser: If not → download the source package with apt-get source idjc |
| 17:45.22 | kpoman | can someone help me find a particular package ? I am looking for SDL TTF ... I cant seem to find it anywhere ! :( |
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| 17:45.48 | babilen | kpoman: SDL TTF? |
| 17:45.56 | tharkun | !fgi SDL+TTF |
| 17:45.58 | Weisser | babilen, ok i did so, where do i find the file you talk about? |
| 17:46.05 | kpoman | babilen: yep, sdl lib, truetype fonts (and headers for development) |
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| 17:46.30 | Weisser | the file that i need to edit |
| 17:46.43 | babilen | kpoman: libsdl-ttf2.0-0 ? libsdl-ttf2.0-0-dev ? |
| 17:46.58 | babilen | kpoman: apt-cache search sdl ttf ;) |
| 17:47.02 | kpoman | babilen: yep, both, but for arm :( |
| 17:47.23 | aguitel | i am running squeeze and nm-applet indicates that network is down, but the network is OK ,how fix this ? |
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| 17:47.36 | AimHere | Break the network |
| 17:47.51 | babilen | Weisser: You've just retrieved the source package didn't you? cd into the package's DIR (idjc-0.8.2) and edit debian/rules |
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| 17:48.49 | kpoman | babilen: I do see them here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-ttf2.0-dev/ ... however dont know how to get them via apt-get ! |
| 17:48.51 | babilen | kpoman: They are available for arm |
| 17:48.59 | dutchfish | FamilyPal, where are you? |
| 17:49.06 | babilen | kpoman: (at least for stable) |
| 17:49.29 | kpoman | babilen: do you have an idea on how to get them given that link ? do I simply download the package ? |
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| 17:50.18 | babilen | kpoman: I am not familiar with maemo - You might want to ask in #maemo |
| 17:50.41 | babilen | Weisser: Found the rules file? |
| 17:50.44 | kpoman | babilen: I thought this is debian related :) it is in fact about apt ! |
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| 17:50.54 | jordanm | there is also #debian-openmoko (or similar) |
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| 17:51.59 | babilen | kpoman: Maemo is not Debian - or are we talking about a Debian chroot on your palm? |
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| 17:52.18 | babilen | s/palm/nokia *blush* |
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| 17:52.53 | Weisser | sorry, was afk |
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| 17:53.02 | kpoman | babilen: I am talking about a scratchbox environment for a maemo target |
| 17:53.04 | kpoman | for arm |
| 17:53.05 | kpoman | :) |
| 17:53.06 | johndee | Hi. I've added a script to /etc/network/if-post-down.d but it doesn't seem to get executed. What could be the problem? Do I need to update initramfs, by any chance? |
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| 17:53.20 | kpoman | babilen: which is majoritarily debian right now |
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| 17:54.32 | jordanm | johndee: you have to add the line for it to be exectued in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:54.38 | jordanm | johndee: e.g. pre-up |
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| 17:55.45 | babilen | kpoman: If you want to install the packages from Debian stable, you probably have to add the Debian stable repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list (/msd dpkg sources.list) |
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| 17:56.17 | johndee | jordanm: But I can as well just add the contents of that script to interfaces. I thought it's either interfaces or post-down. But anyway, what is the line or point me to the man pls |
| 17:56.38 | kpoman | babilen: oh I did add to sources.list however they have been ignored ! what is that last thing you posted about msd dpkg ? |
| 17:56.48 | babilen | kpoman: I still think that #maemo is a better channel for your questions as it is quite possible that the people over there are quite familiar with developing on/for maemo |
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| 17:57.24 | babilen | kpoman: /msg dpkg sources.list - please ask in #maemo or are you trying to install these libraries on Debian? |
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| 17:58.02 | kpoman | babilen: ok :) but just for info, what is the process of adding a new repository ? just editing sources.list and adding a deb entry ? or do I need a deb-src ? do i need to validate with some other tool ? sign ? |
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| 17:58.25 | babilen | !tell kpoman about sources.list |
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| 18:02.06 | click170 | How do I find out why a package is being kept back? trying dist-upgrade still says it will be kept back. |
| 18:02.10 | babilen | Weisser: If you want support you better work on it ;) |
| 18:02.34 | babilen | click170: "apt-cache policy <pkg>" → pastebin |
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| 18:03.01 | petemc | click170: also, /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:03.13 | jelly-home | wonders where babilen keeps his stash of →s |
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| 18:04.28 | babilen | jelly-home: the magic of the compose key ;) |
| 18:04.42 | click170 | http://pastebin.com/qbyMmrRq , trying "full-upgrade" as suggested by dpkg |
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| 18:09.45 | click170 | So 'full-upgrade' isn't a valid command, tried sudo aptitude -s install git-core, it shows 1 package to be upgraded and asks Do you want to continue, I push Y, and it says "Would download/install/remove packages." and does nothing. |
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| 18:12.11 | rm | hello |
| 18:12.30 | karlpinc_ | click170: Did you notice that that's what '-s' is supposed to do? |
| 18:13.04 | click170 | karlpinc_: No. No I did not. *headdesk* |
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| 18:13.58 | rm | I am using my own kernel packages made with "make-kpkg", and the lilo bootloader. After install, the symlinks in / are not autoupdated to point to the new kernel. Does anyone know how to make them update automatically? |
| 18:14.19 | karlpinc_ | ls / |
| 18:14.24 | themill | click170: precisely what command gave "full-upgrade isn't a valid command"? |
| 18:14.25 | karlpinc_ | whoops. |
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| 18:15.18 | click170 | themill: Sorry, yeah, I tried 'full-upgrade' on apt. Fail. Shortly after I read from dpkg, in another msg, that 'full-upgrade' is an aptitude argument, not apt. |
| 18:16.01 | karlpinc_ | rm: Your kernels should be in /boot. And I don't believe you need symlinks. If you want to make them you'll have to learn more about debian packaging (probably). Perhaps the developers manual at debian.org. |
| 18:16.11 | themill | click170: ahh... that's fine then. (that error is also a good sign that someone has botched an etch->lenny upgrade) |
| 18:16.33 | click170 | Hm. Good to know, I'll remember that. Thanks. |
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| 18:18.04 | rm | karlpinc_, the kernels are in boot |
| 18:18.21 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: check your / |
| 18:18.35 | rm | from /, there are two symlinks, vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old (and similar for initrd.img) |
| 18:18.50 | rm | and lilo.conf then has these symlinks in it |
| 18:18.53 | rm | this is a common practice with lilo |
| 18:18.59 | rm | or so I thought |
| 18:19.32 | karlpinc_ | themill: An easy botch, because there's a bug in the upgrade release notes. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533265 |
| 18:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | rm: lilo should be using the symlinks in /boot |
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| 18:20.24 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Ah well, I'm wrong again. :-P |
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| 18:21.39 | themill | jhutchins_lt: sounds like yet another reason just to use aptitude, as "aptitude install aptitude" just works. (removing aptitude would lead to a completely different error to the one described, however) |
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| 18:22.30 | themill | err.... karlpinc_ ^^ |
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| 18:24.51 | rm | maybe I should just migrate back to grub |
| 18:25.26 | rm | I was really turned off by its recent bug where it just plainly stopped functioning |
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| 18:26.07 | Weisser | shit babilen left |
| 18:26.09 | Weisser | :( |
| 18:26.20 | jelly-home | Weisser: you didn't pay him enough |
| 18:26.28 | Weisser | lol ;p |
| 18:26.33 | Weisser | he desrved some true |
| 18:26.43 | Weisser | i am but a poor soon-to-be-student tough |
| 18:26.53 | Weisser | so i aint even got a paypal account to pay him ^^ |
| 18:27.02 | jelly-home | excuses excuses |
| 18:27.58 | dutchfish | Weisser: you can always work it of by debugging for browny points ;) |
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| 18:28.51 | jelly-home | dutchfish: is anyone keeping brownie scores? |
| 18:29.01 | dutchfish | jelly-home: :) |
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| 18:38.36 | dutchfish | thinks devs are the worst admins, because they hate to do repitive work pure sang |
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| 18:40.37 | \amethyst | developers know how to write programs to do the repetetive work for them :) |
| 18:40.55 | dutchfish | \amethyst: true |
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| 18:41.33 | SlayerXP | \amethyst: having worked at several software houses, i can tell you that the number of developers who i'd trust to do so is minimal |
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| 18:42.43 | tbsaunde | SlayerXP: it turns out that there are a lot of idiots working as programmers :( |
| 18:43.04 | SlayerXP | if developers were any good, they'd be sysadmins |
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| 18:43.44 | tbsaunde | SlayerXP: lol |
| 18:43.52 | jelly-home | SlayerXP: please don't troll |
| 18:44.16 | jelly-home | or, if you have to troll, at least make it ontopic and amusing! |
| 18:44.35 | SlayerXP | debain su><0rZ!!! |
| 18:44.39 | SlayerXP | like that? :) |
| 18:44.40 | dutchfish | lets finish it up in a stale ;) and sorry it was actually an x post, my excuses for it |
| 18:44.41 | jelly-home | that's more like it |
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| 18:47.07 | acu | I installed kvm/qemu in debian squeeze - and I could install everything - but now I want to have an IP address for the new virtual machine - how do I do that ? |
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| 18:47.42 | dutchfish | acu: if you new to this you might want t give aqemu a swirl |
| 18:49.04 | dutchfish | acu: and the manpages |
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| 18:50.58 | acu | dutchfis: this is what I got :) aqemu and the new virtual machine run (I installed squeeze) and it runs fine - connects to internet but it gives a IP address as 10.5.0.1 (or something like this) I know QEMU has its own DHCP - how can I change that to make it in a 192.168.0.210 or something like this ? |
| 18:51.06 | acu | dutchfish |
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| 18:52.26 | dutchfish | acu: you have to setup bridge mode to give it a fixed or dhcp address of your lan see also http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
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| 18:53.41 | dutchfish | acu: this was also helpfull for me http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/qemu-networking.html |
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| 18:54.35 | __lonewolf | hello peeps |
| 18:55.49 | dutchfish | acu: and this http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html |
| 18:57.04 | acu | dutchfish: you are a goldendutchfish :) thanks for all pointers |
| 18:57.12 | dutchfish | acu: yw |
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| 18:58.21 | __lonewolf | hello |
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| 18:58.47 | __lonewolf | has anyone tried loadbalancing apache/nginx on two servers physically separated? |
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| 19:00.52 | Juzzy | where else would you do it? |
| 19:01.13 | __lonewolf | lol |
| 19:01.28 | factor | Does debian have a xen kernel for 2.6.32 |
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| 19:01.57 | Juzzy | traditionally a load balancer setup is 3 servers |
| 19:01.59 | Juzzy | or more |
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| 19:02.46 | __lonewolf | Juzzy: thanks. I was looking at my current setup -- Nginx with reverse proxy to Apache webserver and MySQL database. All run on one physical machine now. |
| 19:03.06 | Juzzy | dont really need a loadbalancer if its 1 server. |
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| 19:03.23 | __lonewolf | hmm |
| 19:03.24 | dutchfish | factor: sid has http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.32-4-xen-amd64 but be prepared for a rough ride |
| 19:03.35 | jordanm | really defeats the purpose of balancing load... if there is nothing to balance with |
| 19:03.51 | Juzzy | ya you're just wasting cpu |
| 19:03.52 | __lonewolf | maybe something like a round robin |
| 19:04.20 | jordanm | __lonewolf: round robin is a method of load balancing... it would work, if you had more than one box to send traffic to |
| 19:04.25 | Juzzy | really loadbalancing gives you 2 functions, redundency and scalability |
| 19:04.29 | Juzzy | neither of those are in 1 server |
| 19:04.42 | __lonewolf | okay |
| 19:04.53 | jordanm | ls |
| 19:05.14 | factor | dutchfish, thanks |
| 19:05.18 | __lonewolf | if I got a second box and replicated the database and webservers there, would loadbalancing come into picture? |
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| 19:05.52 | Juzzy | yes lone |
| 19:06.00 | Juzzy | unless you move the mysql to the new box |
| 19:06.06 | Juzzy | or whatever database |
| 19:06.10 | jordanm | well, then you would have two boxes to balance the load between... but typically the job of the load balancer is independant of the two boxes hosting the services |
| 19:06.17 | __lonewolf | ah okay |
| 19:06.19 | aw84 | redundancy if you have synchronized tcp/ip state table, else in case of fail all connections go away :) |
| 19:06.37 | Juzzy | aw84: http is typically stateless ;) |
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| 19:06.56 | dutchfish | Juzzy: but the backend isnt ! |
| 19:06.57 | jordanm | Juzzy: web 2.0... |
| 19:07.07 | Juzzy | web 2.0 is stateless |
| 19:07.13 | Juzzy | only streaming would be iffy |
| 19:07.23 | Juzzy | but tcp strems hold state through a load balancer |
| 19:07.30 | jordanm | I understood interactive applications to be stateful |
| 19:07.38 | aw84 | Juzzy, keep-alive :) |
| 19:07.49 | jordanm | yes, keep-alive |
| 19:07.58 | Juzzy | keep-alive just hold the connection open |
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| 19:08.07 | Juzzy | the NATURE of http is stateless |
| 19:08.13 | __lonewolf | yup |
| 19:08.21 | Juzzy | cookies are what keep the connections |
| 19:08.22 | aw84 | yup :) |
| 19:08.26 | SerajewelKS | is there an LDAP server in existence that is designed to be used for managing personal contacts? i haven't ruled out slapd etc but i'm looking for something more user-y, not enterprisey. |
| 19:08.52 | simonrvn | slapd is just the daemon ;) |
| 19:08.54 | Juzzy | [plLb01:~]# ipvsadm -L | wc -l |
| 19:08.54 | Juzzy | 92 |
| 19:09.02 | Juzzy | there's my load balancer ;) |
| 19:09.19 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: this is true... sounds like you might be aware of a good contact management interface to it then? :) |
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| 19:09.45 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: is e.g. phpldapadmin well-suited to that task? |
| 19:10.19 | simonrvn | apache directory studio, luma, jxplorer. #1/#3 are more admin, luma has an addressbook. once set up evo can do contacts in ldap |
| 19:10.32 | Juzzy | active directory is usery ;( |
| 19:10.40 | simonrvn | pla is web based obviously |
| 19:10.47 | simonrvn | ad should die |
| 19:10.52 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: sorry, let me rephrase. usery and not shitty. |
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| 19:11.20 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hrm, i wish thunderbird/icedove did ldap management too |
| 19:11.20 | Juzzy | I use slapd + phpmyldap |
| 19:11.29 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: AFAICT it's read-only access, which sucks balls |
| 19:11.38 | Juzzy | er phpLDAP Admin |
| 19:11.52 | simonrvn | tb/id has an extension iirc |
| 19:11.55 | Juzzy | I even admin our AD with it too |
| 19:12.08 | simonrvn | %ad |
| 19:12.14 | ravenbird | andorra |
| 19:12.26 | simonrvn | %active directory |
| 19:12.28 | ravenbird | A bloated multi-purpose piece of software calling itself a directory. Lives in Microsofts world, making it generally incompatible with standards. |
| 19:12.28 | Juzzy | AD is actually the best directory service out there, saddly :( |
| 19:12.45 | Juzzy | just as outlook is the best email client |
| 19:12.51 | simonrvn | best for what? getting screwed? getting poorer? |
| 19:12.54 | SerajewelKS | ahahaha, outlook the best email client... |
| 19:12.55 | Juzzy | and it makes me cry everyday :( |
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| 19:13.02 | SerajewelKS | tell me another one |
| 19:13.08 | Juzzy | seriously. |
| 19:13.08 | mattgirv | Outlook doesn't even properly support HTML. |
| 19:13.15 | SerajewelKS | nor bottom-posting |
| 19:13.15 | Juzzy | in an enterprise, -nothing- is better. |
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| 19:13.26 | jordanm | Juzzy: sounds like you don't have to fix broken .pst files weekly... |
| 19:13.30 | dutchfish | thought that it was all ldap with a varnish of schemes |
| 19:13.33 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: that's because of all the other shit it does |
| 19:13.33 | Juzzy | I'm not trying to start a flame war. |
| 19:13.41 | Juzzy | exactly |
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| 19:13.47 | mattgirv | It's not a bad PIM but christ, no way it is a decent email client. |
| 19:13.50 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: outlook has tasks, calendar sharing, etc. it's not a mail client. it's a groupware client. |
| 19:13.54 | Juzzy | i personally use thunderbird, but it has 1/10th the features |
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| 19:14.06 | jordanm | all available via plugins |
| 19:14.07 | simonrvn | ootb ... |
| 19:14.10 | Juzzy | SerajewelKS: it's also an email client |
| 19:14.11 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: thunderbird with lightning is not bad at all |
| 19:14.25 | simonrvn | uses tb with lightning |
| 19:14.27 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: you mean icedove with iceowl :) |
| 19:14.29 | Juzzy | actually we use zimbra and zimbra desktop is pretty nice |
| 19:14.29 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: yes, but it's not a good email client. it's a good calendar manager etc (oh wait, no, there's still that DST issue...) |
| 19:14.46 | SerajewelKS | oh and it doesn't do the standards thing |
| 19:14.49 | SerajewelKS | oh and... |
| 19:14.54 | Juzzy | what standards? :/ |
| 19:14.55 | Chaos|Baghdad | to have opengl support in applications what package do I need to install? |
| 19:15.18 | Juzzy | my iphone doesnt do standards either :( |
| 19:15.22 | simonrvn | a video card and drivers that supports it |
| 19:15.55 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: no it doesn't... it also doesn't do a lot of other shit that my windown mobile POS phone can. except multitouch. |
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| 19:16.32 | Juzzy | the iphone's confrence is best of breed though |
| 19:16.44 | Juzzy | conference? |
| 19:16.47 | Juzzy | whatever |
| 19:16.54 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: do you use a caldav or other sharing server for use with your calendar client? |
| 19:16.55 | dutchfish | the savior arived, hi abrotman |
| 19:17.01 | abrotman | hi? |
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| 19:17.59 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: no, I only use it for when people send me those stupid icalender things. otherwise I use emacs org-mode |
| 19:18.32 | SerajewelKS | ah ok, for the rest of us using a real OS instead of an editor though... |
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| 19:18.44 | jordanm | hehe |
| 19:19.04 | SerajewelKS | i think i started tinkering with calendarserver |
| 19:19.29 | simonrvn | gdm3 screws with the xauthority cookies and so make emacs multi-tty a pita |
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| 19:21.23 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: will you be around for a while in case i need to pester you about slapd? :) |
| 19:21.47 | simonrvn | for a little while.. thinking of going on the mountain |
| 19:22.07 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: surely you have indoor plumbing? |
| 19:22.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:22.52 | Weisser | ok guys |
| 19:22.56 | Weisser | i did apt-get source idjc |
| 19:23.05 | Weisser | modified the rules file according to my needs |
| 19:23.12 | Weisser | whats the next step in rebuilding package? |
| 19:23.22 | SerajewelKS | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -b |
| 19:23.32 | SerajewelKS | that's what i use to build my packages anyway |
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| 19:26.47 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, |
| 19:26.57 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: |
| 19:26.58 | Weisser | when i try doing apt-get build-dep it wants to uninstall my amarok |
| 19:27.00 | Weisser | why so |
| 19:27.01 | Weisser | :o |
| 19:27.23 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: probably because something that will be installed conflicts with amarok or one of its dependencies |
| 19:27.28 | Weisser | shit |
| 19:27.29 | Weisser | :F |
| 19:27.45 | Weisser | i cant have both amarok and idjc -.- |
| 19:27.51 | Weisser | whyyyyy xD |
| 19:28.08 | Weisser | can i somehow find out the roots of conflict between two packages? |
| 19:28.17 | Weisser | something like apt-conflict-checker packagea packageb |
| 19:30.00 | Weisser | ill install all dependencies that the dpkg-* complains about lack of |
| 19:30.00 | jhutchins_lt | Weisser: aptitude why? |
| 19:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Pretty strange that amarok would conflict with anything, it's not a system-level thing, it's a userspace app. |
| 19:31.35 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Most installations have at least two or three players installed. |
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| 19:32.02 | Weisser | very strange |
| 19:32.07 | Weisser | :F |
| 19:32.24 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: could be a dependency, or could be that it's marked auto |
| 19:32.33 | Weisser | libxine-dev conflicts with amarok |
| 19:32.47 | Weisser | as well as kadu - an im client -.- |
| 19:32.55 | Weisser | kate - you all know kate |
| 19:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I know if I try to remove noatun it wants to uninstall kde. |
| 19:33.11 | Weisser | and half of kde |
| 19:33.23 | Weisser | libkde among other things |
| 19:33.32 | Weisser | nah |
| 19:33.34 | Weisser | kdebase i mean |
| 19:33.38 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 19:33.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:33.49 | Weisser | sorry |
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| 19:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | Weisser: It has to do with packages being installed through a meta-package. There are ways to fix it, but I don't know apt well enough yet. |
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| 19:37.05 | Weisser | jhutchins, you told me of aptitude - why is that better? |
| 19:37.08 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: try "aptitude unmarkauto amarok" first |
| 19:37.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell Weisser about why aptitude |
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| 19:37.38 | Juzzy | anyone here do high volume web traffic? |
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| 19:37.51 | Juzzy | we're sending about 100mbit in .swf through apache |
| 19:37.53 | Weisser | can i use aptitude instead of "apt-0get build-dep"? |
| 19:38.01 | Juzzy | would that be better served in lighttp? |
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| 19:38.21 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: yes, "aptitude build-dep" |
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| 19:38.53 | jhutchins_lt | kdeaddons depends on noatun-plugin. |
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| 19:39.02 | GNU\colossus | Juzzy: if you're looking for a high performance webserver, take a look into nginx, not lighty. do note though that no other httpd parallels apache's flexibility. |
| 19:39.09 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: for files that are not processed by a module, i would expect apache should be about as fast as lighttpd. both probably use sendfile(). |
| 19:39.33 | Juzzy | nginx to serve content? |
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| 19:39.48 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: so the size of requests probably doesn't matter as much as the frequency of the requests since all the overhead will be in resolving the URI |
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| 19:40.20 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: a faster web server will probably only help more when you are hit with a bazillion requests for a bunch of little files |
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| 19:41.00 | Weisser | rotfl |
| 19:41.09 | GNU\colossus | SerajewelKS: on recent Linux kernels, both use sendfile. then again, iirc, even thttpd does so ;) |
| 19:41.11 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, aptitude shown me the same solution, i said n, it shown a much better one |
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| 19:41.20 | Juzzy | SerajewelKSj: we've served 14 million .swf's |
| 19:41.22 | Weisser | when i accepted it still wants to uninstall over 200 packages |
| 19:41.28 | Juzzy | they are all several 100k |
| 19:41.29 | Weisser | among them things like g++ |
| 19:41.35 | Juzzy | this week along |
| 19:41.47 | SerajewelKS | GNU\colossus: right. so for big files the performance hit with apache will not be big enough to justify using a different server. |
| 19:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | Weisser: For some reason the kde meta-dependencies are messed up. |
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| 19:42.27 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, it wants to uninstall things like finger, or half of my gnome |
| 19:42.27 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: are you sure that CPU is even a bottleneck? |
| 19:42.27 | jordanm | Weisser: aptitude keep-all |
| 19:42.27 | Weisser | jhutchins, so aptitude thinks kde conflicts with gnome? |
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| 19:42.48 | jhutchins_lt | Weisser: No, I just have the same problem with different packages. |
| 19:42.52 | GNU\colossus | Juzzy: are you even running into performance problems with your current setup? or are you over-optimizing? ;) |
| 19:43.06 | Weisser | wow, this whole dependencies system has some issues :p |
| 19:43.28 | Juzzy | GNU\colossus: well, the problem is, in this situation im strapped on hardware and bandwidth |
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| 19:43.47 | GNU\colossus | Juzzy: I don't follow. what's the problem? |
| 19:43.48 | Juzzy | i'm wondering if i move form .swf laod to my sql server to relieve stress on the main web server |
| 19:43.59 | Juzzy | but i dont want to impact sql predormance |
| 19:44.03 | Juzzy | preformance |
| 19:44.08 | Juzzy | performance |
| 19:44.09 | Juzzy | sheesh |
| 19:44.25 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: how are end-users going to download this data? |
| 19:44.32 | Juzzy | just wondering if lighttpd would be "lighter" and more effience than apache |
| 19:44.36 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: through a web server? see the problem there? :) |
| 19:44.39 | Juzzy | web |
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| 19:44.46 | Juzzy | the sql server is public |
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| 19:44.52 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: you should be taking down some metrics first |
| 19:45.07 | SerajewelKS | Juzzy: if bandwidth is your problem then apache performance doesn't matter dick |
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| 19:45.27 | Juzzy | I've personally never ran lighttpd, i know deviantart guy who swears by it and he foes TB/month is traffic |
| 19:45.43 | Juzzy | SerajewelKS: it does when i move it to my sql box ;/ |
| 19:45.45 | GNU\colossus | you could check out mod_deflate to cut on bandwidth (in exchange for more CPU load, of course) |
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| 19:45.50 | jordanm | Juzzy: implement gz compression |
| 19:45.53 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, once i did aptitude build-dep succesafully, whats next step in order to rebuild my idjc ? |
| 19:46.02 | Juzzy | .swf don't typically compress well |
| 19:46.07 | GNU\colossus | Juzzy: lighttpd is one of the most overrated programs ever imho |
| 19:46.16 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: the command i gave you a while ago |
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| 19:46.23 | jordanm | no, but html does, and it will atleast relieve some bandwidth there |
| 19:46.44 | Juzzy | 90.8% of the bandwidth is .swf |
| 19:46.49 | Weisser | dpkg-* one? |
| 19:46.54 | Juzzy | and load is typically .9 - 1.5 |
| 19:46.59 | Juzzy | :( |
| 19:47.14 | Weisser | lol |
| 19:47.14 | Juzzy | aight well, We'll come up with something |
| 19:47.18 | Weisser | thats the whole point of .swf |
| 19:47.23 | Weisser | they are there to eat up your bandwidth |
| 19:47.32 | Juzzy | yea but its not an option |
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| 19:47.35 | Weisser | especially if you host stuff that people link directly to from other websites |
| 19:47.55 | Juzzy | its not, its a game |
| 19:47.58 | Weisser | games |
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| 19:48.05 | Juzzy | 1 mmo for kids |
| 19:48.05 | Weisser | are what people steal |
| 19:48.15 | Weisser | however mmo does not classify, i think |
| 19:48.18 | Weisser | tough hmm |
| 19:48.19 | Juzzy | all the .swf's are internal smaller pieces |
| 19:48.30 | Weisser | i seen some websites embedding stolen flash mmo's |
| 19:48.36 | Weisser | oh |
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| 19:48.40 | Weisser | then i guess you;re safe |
| 19:48.57 | Juzzy | yea, not really an issue, its all session based security to make it work anyways |
| 19:49.02 | Weisser | so you probably tried putting them all on a diet, didnt you? |
| 19:49.25 | Juzzy | the dev team is on that now actually |
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| 19:49.31 | Juzzy | hehe :) |
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| 19:50.18 | Weisser | lol |
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| 19:50.31 | Weisser | flash isnt the best technology anyways |
| 19:50.40 | Weisser | its good for preventing proxy abuse tough |
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| 19:51.00 | Weisser | most proxies & tor servers dont relay flash content |
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| 19:51.22 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: they do if you set them up correctly |
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| 19:51.46 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, i mean as a choice |
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| 19:51.53 | Weisser | the free ones |
| 19:52.05 | Weisser | thosethat people use to benefit from multi accounting in mmo games |
| 19:52.11 | babilen | Weisser: Hei - Made some progress? |
| 19:52.15 | Weisser | babilen, yes |
| 19:52.26 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: tor is very easy to set up, it's free, and it can relay flash content if you set it up correctly |
| 19:52.34 | Weisser | i just rebuilt package with dpkg-buildpackage -us -us -rfakeroot -b |
| 19:52.53 | babilen | Weisser: And it has lame support now? |
| 19:52.58 | Weisser | had to use aptitude build-dep becasue apt-get wanted to uninstall half of my favorite apps |
| 19:53.07 | Weisser | babilen, i hope so, gonna check that soomn |
| 19:53.21 | Weisser | it still thrown some warnings/errors during rebuilding |
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| 19:53.26 | Weisser | so i am not so sure if it is all ok |
| 19:53.30 | babilen | Weisser: Great - So editing the debian/rules file as detailed by me earlier worked out? |
| 19:53.44 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: note that if you install your debs, aptitude/apt-get will want to upgrade them to the version in the repos if you do an upgrade/full-upgrade |
| 19:53.44 | Weisser | i edited it, but i am not yet sure if it workeed |
| 19:53.48 | jelly-home | dpkg: listvals scat |
| 19:53.49 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: so mark them held after you install them |
| 19:53.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scat' by value (9): cmd: kiwismite (.*?) ;; ioccc ;; CMD: pornsmite (.*?) ;; ipf ;; qotd153 ;; lohcadtom ;; CMD: destroy (.*?) ;; doumamonkey ;; stileproject. |
| 19:53.54 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 19:54.10 | Weisser | i guess what i need now is aptitude install idjc right? |
| 19:54.10 | jordanm | !kiwismite jelly-home |
| 19:54.11 | dpkg | thrashes jelly-home soundly with an All Black forward pack. That'll give you something to cry about! |
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| 19:54.28 | abrotman | gives jelly-home a /msg dpkg .. |
| 19:54.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, but that wouldn't have been half as fun |
| 19:55.48 | Weisser | will it install my version or maybe cached verision? |
| 19:55.56 | babilen | Weisser: Regarding SerajewelKS note - You can use dch -l to edit the changelog file and augment the version with something like +lame (or whatever you want there) |
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| 19:56.25 | babilen | Weisser: No - you would install *your* packages with "dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 19:56.34 | Weisser | shit |
| 19:56.36 | Weisser | :p |
| 19:56.37 | Weisser | so |
| 19:56.39 | SerajewelKS | babilen: good point, yeah i never do that :) |
| 19:56.48 | Weisser | i shoudl revert the aptitude install idjc |
| 19:56.56 | Weisser | and do dpkg -i *.deb ? |
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| 19:57.18 | babilen | SerajewelKS: I maintain a local version of mutt (I *need* tokyocabinet header caching) and learned that :) |
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| 19:57.26 | babilen | Weisser: Correct |
| 19:57.52 | SerajewelKS | babilen: yeh for backports on my servers i maintain a file:// repo and have it pinned higher, but for my desktops i just use the hold method |
| 19:57.58 | babilen | Weisser: Or rather: Replace the "*" in that command with the actual filename (although *.deb will work if you want to install all matching files) |
| 19:58.17 | Weisser | yeah i just meant i am not sure of the name of my .deb ;p |
| 19:58.39 | simonrvn | it's called `ls' |
| 19:58.48 | babilen | Weisser: "ls" will tell you? Or just do "dpkg -i TAB" in the correct directory |
| 19:58.56 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: it will be in the same directory as the extracted package directory (so one level up from where you are probably) |
| 19:58.58 | Weisser | lol ;p |
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| 19:59.06 | Weisser | ok ok ok i know that :D |
| 19:59.11 | Weisser | not that of a newbie, really ^^ |
| 19:59.13 | StefanNET | yo what to install to make config *make* and compile work.? |
| 19:59.23 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: build-essential |
| 19:59.27 | babilen | StefanNET: You probably want ^^^^ |
| 19:59.36 | SerajewelKS | babilen: i win! |
| 19:59.39 | simonrvn | s,\.\?,\?, |
| 19:59.40 | StefanNET | no |
| 19:59.41 | StefanNET | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 19:59.44 | StefanNET | i alreayd have that |
| 19:59.50 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: then pastebin the error(s) you get |
| 19:59.52 | StefanNET | ah how to fix my rdns? |
| 19:59.54 | babilen | !cake SerajewelKS |
| 20:00.08 | StefanNET | --2010-05-18 23:48:24-- http://sourceforge.net/projects/znc/files/znc/0.080/znc-0.080.tar.gz/download |
| 20:00.08 | StefanNET | Resolving sourceforge.net... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. |
| 20:00.08 | StefanNET | wget: unable to resolve host address `sourceforge.net' |
| 20:00.30 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: what's that have to do with rdns |
| 20:00.34 | Weisser | :o |
| 20:00.40 | simonrvn | nothing |
| 20:00.55 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i know, i want to see what HE thinks rdns has to do with it :) |
| 20:01.02 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 20:01.27 | StefanNET | idk i never had this problem before |
| 20:01.31 | StefanNET | its up to my ISP or? |
| 20:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | StefanNET: host sourcefoge.net? host google.com? |
| 20:01.34 | babilen | StefanNET: You probably want to fix your DNS settings - If you don't know the IP of a usable DNS server you can use 4.2.2.4 or 8.8.8.8 (or .., .., ..) |
| 20:02.08 | SerajewelKS | i hear 127.0.0.1 responds pretty quick too |
| 20:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: ..,..,..? |
| 20:02.22 | StefanNET | no joke what to do ? help |
| 20:02.31 | StefanNET | i cant change all hostnames into IP's :S |
| 20:02.36 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: fix your router |
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| 20:02.38 | simonrvn | 127.0.0.1 is damned fast |
| 20:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | StefanNET: no joke. No host names resolve? |
| 20:02.41 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: other IP addresses of free DNS servers |
| 20:02.56 | StefanNET | yes |
| 20:02.57 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i know, right? |
| 20:03.09 | babilen | StefanNET: How is your network configured? |
| 20:03.18 | StefanNET | VPS |
| 20:03.25 | SerajewelKS | babilen: oh i know! i know! "poorly!" |
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| 20:03.35 | babilen | SerajewelKS: hahaha :-p |
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| 20:03.52 | babilen | vps? |
| 20:03.53 | SerajewelKS | sorry, i'm done mocking people for no reason. back to slapd... |
| 20:04.10 | babilen | slapds SerajewelKS |
| 20:04.13 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: pastebin the output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 20:04.18 | SerajewelKS | babilen: ooo clever |
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| 20:04.33 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: and while we're at it, "ifconfig" and "route -n" |
| 20:04.41 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: be content he didn't slurpd |
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| 20:05.15 | StefanNET | ifconfig |
| 20:05.15 | StefanNET | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 20:05.15 | StefanNET | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 20:05.17 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: eh, that would just mean he bats for the other team... |
| 20:05.21 | babilen | !paste |
| 20:05.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 20:06.46 | babilen | StefanNET: Do you use something like network-manager or wicd? |
| 20:06.59 | StefanNET | no |
| 20:07.01 | babilen | ah, let's wait for the paste ... |
| 20:07.27 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't expect a VPS server to use nm |
| 20:07.33 | StefanNET | http://pastebin.com/p8HcTUAg |
| 20:07.37 | SerajewelKS | s# server## |
| 20:07.51 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: all the other commands too |
| 20:08.00 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: just run them all and paste them in one bin |
| 20:08.34 | StefanNET | SerajewelKS what? |
| 20:08.54 | StefanNET | u saw thats wget not work |
| 20:09.05 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: i gave you four commands to run and paste. you only ran one of them. |
| 20:09.13 | babilen | StefanNET: Just put the output of *all* commands SerajewelKS mentioned into *one* pastebin |
| 20:09.26 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: all of these: (1) cat /etc/resolv.conf (2) cat /etc/network/interfaces (3) ifconfig (4) route -n |
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| 20:11.19 | StefanNET | cat etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:11.19 | StefanNET | cat: etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | If ifconfig returnns nothing but localhost, he has no network. |
| 20:11.36 | jhutchins_lt | StefanNET: This system is not connected to the internet. |
| 20:11.51 | babilen | StefanNET: */*etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:11.52 | StefanNET | how am i connected to it? lol |
| 20:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | StefanNET: Perhaps you need to /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:11.59 | d3sync | magic :P |
| 20:12.03 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: you forgot the leading / |
| 20:12.07 | StefanNET | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:12.07 | StefanNET | cat: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 20:12.12 | StefanNET | i try both |
| 20:12.14 | penrod | greetings: anyone know of a simple script to change file extensions (recursiveley) ? I have several hundred files with a "~" on the end I want to change. |
| 20:12.15 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: ah, no wonder you can't resolve anything |
| 20:12.21 | StefanNET | why? xD |
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| 20:12.25 | StefanNET | something is broken :D |
| 20:12.27 | J_P | hi all |
| 20:12.29 | babilen | penrod: "rename" (read its manpage) |
| 20:12.34 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: because /etc/resolv.conf contains the addresses of your name servers |
| 20:12.42 | StefanNET | so what to do? |
| 20:12.44 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: you don't have a resolv.conf. ergo you have no nameservers. |
| 20:12.51 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: now pastebin "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 20:12.52 | StefanNET | ok what to do ? |
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| 20:13.06 | babilen | StefanNET: Paste the rest of the commands (especially /e/n/i |
| 20:13.13 | StefanNET | commands? |
| 20:13.18 | SerajewelKS | facepalm |
| 20:13.34 | StefanNET | http://pastebin.com/Tb9vmnKs |
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| 20:13.59 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: right, so, you need to figure out what your VPS network nameservers are from your VPS host. |
| 20:14.13 | penrod | babilen: thanks |
| 20:14.13 | StefanNET | and how to do that? |
| 20:14.14 | StefanNET | lol |
| 20:14.23 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: you look on their website, email them, or call them |
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| 20:14.48 | d3sync | he can't setup a bind server? |
| 20:14.52 | SerajewelKS | StefanNET: and ask them why their template VPS is broken |
| 20:14.54 | d3sync | and use it instead |
| 20:14.58 | babilen | StefanNET: Or use a free DNS server http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/ |
| 20:15.08 | SerajewelKS | d3sync: he could do a lot of different things |
| 20:15.16 | babilen | d3sync: overkill (and i doubt it) |
| 20:15.19 | SerajewelKS | d3sync: but using his VPS nameservers is likely to be the fastest option |
| 20:15.34 | crzedmonk | Hey anyone help me with a flash problem? Fresh install of lenny and added the non free plugin's from snaptic but I still can't get flash to work, thanking you in advanced |
| 20:16.16 | babilen | StefanNET: I recommends 4.2.2.{1-6} or google's (they are quite fast) |
| 20:16.41 | d3sync | google ftw xD |
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| 20:18.00 | d3sync | from greece [pinging] google dns = 75ms delay |
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| 20:19.05 | mcsmurf | someone knows what could cause "Invalid password." in the NIS server auth.log file when a user tries to change his password on a NIS client, which obviously does not work (user gets error on the client) |
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| 20:19.39 | jelly-home | would recommend a local resolver if he thought the user was capable of installing and running it |
| 20:19.40 | mcsmurf | rpc.yppasswdd is running, setup is nothing complicated (NIS server running Lenny, NIS clients running Ubuntu 9.10) |
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| 20:20.04 | jelly-home | then again installing dnscache-run isn't _that_ hard |
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| 20:22.08 | mcsmurf | the only major change I made is switching passwords to the blowfish algorithm |
| 20:22.12 | mcsmurf | (hash) |
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| 20:22.36 | mefaz | Hi |
| 20:22.40 | d3sync | does this happen to every user or just 1 ? |
| 20:22.47 | mefaz | I have some program and I want to know how can I print out the total bytes loaded per second, and the total bytes loaded per processor cycle? |
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| 20:27.21 | SerajewelKS | yay working slapd |
| 20:27.37 | mefaz | hi |
| 20:27.53 | mefaz | I have some program and I want to know how can I print out the total bytes loaded per second, and the total bytes loaded per processor cycle? |
| 20:27.54 | SerajewelKS | using phpldapadmin kind of reminds me of editing the windows registry. you don't know exactly what you're doing but if you try enough shit you might get it to work. or you'll break it. either way. |
| 20:28.17 | SerajewelKS | mefaz: bytes of what loaded? |
| 20:28.29 | Bushmills | "total bytes loaded per processor cycle" whatever load you want to print - with 2 billion cycles per second, assuming that load fits into 16 bit, you'd have to print out an equivalent of 4 gigabytes per second. |
| 20:28.34 | mefaz | bytes loaded when calling certain function |
| 20:29.09 | Bushmills | you need a mighty fast printer for that |
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| 20:29.36 | mefaz | no problem. I just need it to do performance testing |
| 20:30.11 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: is there a good ldap primer you'd recommend that goes into templates and schemas and shit? |
| 20:30.18 | zinx | mefaz: bytes loaded from what to where? |
| 20:30.27 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: so that i understand how to do basic things like restrict changes to a particular container by user |
| 20:31.10 | zinx | mefaz: and why is the amount of bytes more important than the amount of time spent on each instruction? |
| 20:31.50 | mefaz | bytes loaded from some array when calling the function contains it |
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| 20:32.14 | mefaz | zinx: I already did the time analysis |
| 20:32.25 | Weisser | shit |
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| 20:32.52 | Weisser | it doesnt work, the server connect button is bot greyed out, but it does not remain pressed - this is how idjc indicates a working connection |
| 20:33.18 | Weisser | babilen, SerajewelKS :F |
| 20:33.20 | zinx | mefaz: while i think you are optimizing the wrong thing (i.e., you're not choosing a faster algorithm to accomplish the task), you may look in to oprofile |
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| 20:33.32 | J_P | is possible to change a datetime of a simbolic link? |
| 20:33.52 | J_P | simple file is possible with touch -t.. but a simbolic link? |
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| 20:34.46 | mefaz | zinx: thank you. I tried the profile, but I need such build-in function to do so in a certain piece of code |
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| 20:36.05 | zinx | mefaz: oprofile can generate reports for a single function, afaik |
| 20:36.07 | J_P | anyone? |
| 20:36.44 | mefaz | zinx: I'll try it now. thx |
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| 20:39.30 | solifugus | This should run every 30 minutes, right? */30 * * * * /root/bin/automysqlbackup.sh |
| 20:39.44 | joltcan | solifugus: yes |
| 20:39.57 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: admin guide, the acls |
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| 20:40.03 | joltcan | solifugus: ...if you have it in a user crontab |
| 20:40.06 | acu | OK gurus here you go - I am trying to setup a bridge for network connection - I created a bridge br0 and try to assign eth0 and eth1 to this - now eth0 was the original true interface - and I added the bridge and added the eth0 to it and it works - but I do not know what to do with eth1 as it does not appears anywhere - how can I create eth1 where ? |
| 20:40.09 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: www.openldap.org |
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| 20:40.43 | joltcan | acu: you should add eth1 to br0 as well |
| 20:40.45 | solifugus | joltcan: but automysqlbackup is not leaving backup files for every 30 minutes.. just one for each day.. geez.. |
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| 20:41.18 | Lukasz2 | hello, anyone can give a .edu email account? i need it to register with google voice. |
| 20:41.22 | joltcan | solifugus: I don't know what automysqlbackup.sh, maybe it creates a file every time, but overwrites it? |
| 20:41.35 | jordanm | how would adding two intefaces real physical interfaces to a single bridge possibly work? |
| 20:41.38 | helo | Lukasz2: no you don't |
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| 20:42.05 | acu | joltcan: but I do not know how and where to create eth1 ? |
| 20:42.14 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: yeah looking at that now... so do i just create a new object of type olcDatabaseConfig or what... :/ |
| 20:42.20 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it's not very how-to-ish |
| 20:42.24 | acu | before I add it to br0 I have to create it somewhere |
| 20:42.39 | acu | I mean I have to create eth1 somewhere |
| 20:42.48 | solifugus | joltcan: It seems like it's only keeping a backup from 30 minutes ago.. deleting the old ones, except for the last one of the previous days... |
| 20:42.51 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: database creation cn=config -> google |
| 20:42.54 | acu | and this is a virtual |
| 20:43.02 | simonrvn | should help a bit |
| 20:43.05 | solifugus | so.. 30 minute backup is only for 30 mins ago.. not every increment of 30 mins |
| 20:43.09 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: nice, thanks |
| 20:43.35 | joltcan | acu: well, if you don't have two nic's, then it's kind of hard to bridge them :) |
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| 20:44.19 | joltcan | acu: If you are only playing around with a virtual machine, then you probably have to create it in the VM config |
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| 20:44.34 | acu | joltcan :) OK - I am trying to make kvm/qemu - so where should I do it ? |
| 20:44.44 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hmm, maybe static config will be better for me :) |
| 20:44.55 | joltcan | acu: No idea, I haven't used it, but I guess there is a config file for each vm somewhere? (or gui) |
| 20:45.00 | simonrvn | static conf is easier to set up first |
| 20:45.17 | simonrvn | then once you're good, you can -F it to slapd.d/ |
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| 20:46.11 | acu | the kvm/qemu works fine - connects to internet and all - but if I want to put a webserver in there - I want to be able to asign (or allow the dhcp) to give a 192.168.0.whatever IP - while qemu gives a 10.2 something (as it is creating its own dhcp) |
| 20:46.38 | GNU\colossus | acu: use bridged networking and a TUN/TAP device for the guest OS |
| 20:46.45 | helo | acu: try virtualbox? |
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| 20:47.37 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, it works now :D |
| 20:47.49 | Weisser | it turned out one of the servers we sued for testing was at fault |
| 20:47.55 | Weisser | the master server of our radio is ok |
| 20:48.04 | Weisser | babilen, thank you for all the help |
| 20:48.09 | Weisser | SerajewelKS, and thank you too |
| 20:48.13 | Weisser | :> |
| 20:48.16 | acu | GNU/colossus: you are really big :) so what I bridge to what ? |
| 20:48.19 | SerajewelKS | Weisser: NP |
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| 20:48.23 | SerajewelKS | np too |
| 20:48.26 | Weisser | lol |
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| 20:48.44 | SerajewelKS | acu: THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID |
| 20:48.49 | acu | helo: virtualbox was in my mind - but qemu/kvm seems more logic (kvm being part of linux kernel and all) |
| 20:49.15 | babilen | Weisser: You are welcome - Have you augmented the version? (If you don't know how to do this read the "dch" manpage and especially the description of the -l option) You can find dch in the devscripts package |
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| 20:49.31 | Weisser | what does it mean to augment in the first place? |
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| 20:50.37 | babilen | Weisser: You have a package version like 0.5.6-1 augemented (e.g) 0.5.6-1+lame |
| 20:50.37 | helo | acu: performance is as good, but it is really simple to configure networking as you have described |
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| 20:51.51 | acu | helo, I am going to give try to virtualbox too - however I learned that when you start a project, you need to finish it - even if it is not on time, on budget or to specifications :) |
| 20:52.25 | helo | yeah... |
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| 20:54.20 | GNU\colossus | acu: you attach your ethernet device and the guest's virtual networking adapter to your bridge. the guest will participate in the ethernet network as a distinct host (with an IP address of its own) then. |
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| 20:57.32 | Bravewolf | debian-unofficial vs debiab-multimedia. which are the differences between the projects? Is there a criterion to select one between the two? |
| 20:58.05 | jordanm | never heard of debian-unofficial... link? |
| 20:58.11 | jordanm | !debian-unofficial |
| 20:58.11 | dpkg | Unofficial Maintainers is a repository of packages not available within the official Debian repository, due to licensing restrictions or political reasons. The archive signing key is available by installing the dmo-archive-keyring package within this repository. http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ #dmo on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:04.15 | Weisser | baba_bubba, how do i benefit from using dch -l on my build of idjc ? |
| 21:04.41 | babilen | Weisser: baba_bubba? |
| 21:04.47 | Weisser | babilen, ;p |
| 21:04.49 | Weisser | sorry |
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| 21:05.25 | baba_bubba | I'm a newbie, sorry I can't help you much :) |
| 21:05.29 | Weisser | lol :D |
| 21:05.39 | babilen | Weisser: You want *your* local version to be higher than the version available from the repositories, so *your* packages will not be "upgraded" on your next "aptitude *-upgrade" run |
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| 21:06.45 | babilen | Weisser: Using dch with the "-l" option will create a changelog entry (in which you describe what you have done and which sets the new version) will take care of this |
| 21:07.13 | Weisser | thank you now i understand |
| 21:07.24 | babilen | Weisser: I would suggest something like "dch -l lame" or so |
| 21:07.29 | Weisser | can i automate the process of compiling new version of idjc with --enable-lame? |
| 21:07.45 | babilen | Weisser: "Add a suffix to the Debian version number for a local build." |
| 21:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: multimedia is a bit better known, has more packages, and _may_ be better maintained. |
| 21:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: Which particular package were you interested in? |
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| 21:09.37 | babilen | Weisser: I guess you could fork Debian's idjc git repository and maintain local patches against debian/rules - Not sure if that really is easier than just changing the rules files for new version. Essentially: "No idea" :) |
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| 21:10.15 | Weisser | if i had a paypal account i'd give you symbolic $$$ as a token of my gratitude :F |
| 21:10.19 | Weisser | but i dont have one :D |
| 21:10.24 | Weisser | so i can only say thank you again |
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| 21:10.54 | Bravewolf | jhutchins_lt: I'm just trying to collect information, since I'm going to revert back in Debian at freeze time. Apparently are both run by DD and then I don't know why there are two different projects and which of them to choose |
| 21:11.06 | babilen | Weisser: What will you use that for? Sounds like some professional endeavour ... |
| 21:11.34 | Weisser | oh, it's just a shoutcast radio for community based around erepublik.com mmo game |
| 21:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: That's linux. |
| 21:11.43 | Weisser | it's something between micronations and mmo actualluy |
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| 21:13.51 | Bravewolf | jhutchins_lt: well... usually there's a public reason. I can't find any out there. |
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| 21:14.38 | babilen | Weisser: Looks a bit like "model united nations" - but this is getting off topic. Glad I could help, come back whenever you have more questions. (And advertise Debian;) |
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| 21:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: Ask in #dmo on oftc.net, see what they say. |
| 21:15.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: Usually it's politics. |
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| 21:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | Bravewolf: (Let me guess, three users, one bot, no answer.) |
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| 21:16.44 | acu | can anyone point me to a clean network interfaces configuration file - I butchered mine to badly |
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| 21:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | acu: We can't know what hardware you have or how it's supposed to be configured. |
| 21:17.43 | babilen | acu: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz should cover all your needs |
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| 21:18.44 | Bravewolf | jhutchins_lt: I received some answers few hours ago there.... but I had to wait a lot |
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| 21:22.23 | acu | thanks all GNU/collosus helo jhutchings_lt, babile - see you around |
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| 21:23.28 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: phpldapadmin doesn't have very good template support :( |
| 21:23.55 | simonrvn | no, it sorta sucks. |
| 21:24.07 | abrotman | it really sucks |
| 21:24.10 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 21:24.27 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: alternatives? gui is ok. |
| 21:24.53 | simonrvn | apache directory studio, luma, jxplorer. #1/#3 are more admin, luma has an addressbook. once set up evo can do contacts in ldap |
| 21:24.58 | simonrvn | (repost) |
| 21:25.07 | SerajewelKS | ah right |
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| 21:25.52 | SerajewelKS | yay qt, hello shitty-looking fonts |
| 21:26.29 | SerajewelKS | qt3 even, awesome :) |
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| 21:32.56 | Weisser | babilen, |
| 21:32.57 | Weisser | http://shouted.pl:8050/listen.pls |
| 21:32.58 | Weisser | :D |
| 21:33.01 | Weisser | i will tahnk you online |
| 21:33.18 | Weisser | tell mewhen you are online |
| 21:33.28 | babilen | someone is typing ... |
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| 21:33.47 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hrm, luma's address book doesn't seem very compatible with either inetOrgPerson or mozillaOrgPerson |
| 21:33.48 | Weisser | :) |
| 21:33.51 | Weisser | did you hear it |
| 21:33.55 | babilen | hi :) |
| 21:34.05 | babilen | \o/!! |
| 21:34.08 | Weisser | :D |
| 21:34.10 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 21:34.25 | Weisser | :> |
| 21:34.25 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: That's ldap. |
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| 21:34.37 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: uhm, duh? |
| 21:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I mean the general failure of consistency or compatibility, and the need to cobble your own neuclear reactor from scratch. |
| 21:35.21 | factor | reinstalled and kde 3.5 is held back when I go to testing now, which is good since kde4 is borked |
| 21:35.23 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: ah, right |
| 21:35.26 | babilen | Well - you are welcome. Have fun with it and if I ever have to setup that kind of server i'll ask you ;) |
| 21:35.32 | Weisser | :D |
| 21:35.33 | Weisser | lol |
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| 21:36.48 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: didn't you set up ldap for thunderbird? or am i thinking of someone else? |
| 21:37.22 | simonrvn | long time ago. but under my people uid, not global. |
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| 21:37.45 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: meaning... for personal use only? |
| 21:38.55 | simonrvn | yes and no. yes it's just for me, but in the dit tree. e.g. ou=myaddies,uid=foo,ou=people,dcbar,dc=tld (lame example meant to illustrate structure) |
| 21:39.07 | simonrvn | dc=bar* |
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| 21:39.38 | SerajewelKS | right. i'm less interested in structure than being able to edit my contacts and have thunderbird do sane things with them. |
| 21:39.53 | SerajewelKS | i just have ou=contacts,dc=... |
| 21:40.00 | simonrvn | you need acls to do that |
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| 21:40.08 | SerajewelKS | those are already in place |
| 21:40.20 | simonrvn | say, so you have access to edit your entry, and anything under it. |
| 21:40.34 | simonrvn | but nothing above that. |
| 21:40.46 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i have dn.subtree="ou=contacts,dc=..." for my user |
| 21:40.57 | simonrvn | checks what he has |
| 21:41.00 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: anyway, that's not what i'm having trouble with |
| 21:41.24 | SerajewelKS | i'm having trouble finding an editor that doesn't suck balls and will let me add entries with a semi-sane UI |
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| 21:41.38 | simonrvn | my stuff i migrated to cn=config exclusively, recently ;p |
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| 21:41.53 | simonrvn | ADS and jxplorer are decent ;p |
| 21:41.55 | SerajewelKS | yeh the sysadmin-type-stuff is all done |
| 21:42.14 | SerajewelKS | decent enough to be able to edit a mozillaOrgPerson without me having to dick with templates and shit? :P |
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| 21:43.52 | simonrvn | access to dn.regex="^ou=Addressbook,uid=([^,]+),ou=(dc=[^,]+(,dc=[^,]+)*)$" attrs=children \n\t [admin entry removed] \n\t by dn.base,expand="uid=$1,ou=People,..." write |
| 21:44.30 | simonrvn | i avoid templates heh |
| 21:44.46 | SerajewelKS | well i don't care what they are :/ |
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| 21:45.14 | simonrvn | my acls get pretty hairy ;) |
| 21:45.22 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 21:45.38 | SerajewelKS | do you use mozillaOrgPerson objects or just inetOrgPerson? |
| 21:45.50 | SerajewelKS | (note that inetOrgPerson doesn't even have a place for URLs) |
| 21:46.35 | simonrvn | moz or evo |
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| 21:47.30 | simonrvn | i use a semi-custom evo schema though.. |
| 21:48.16 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: when you say moz... |
| 21:48.23 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: simonraven.kisikew.org/src/ldap/ have a look ;) |
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| 21:48.26 | simonrvn | mozilla |
| 21:48.40 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: mozilla itself has an ldap client? |
| 21:49.06 | simonrvn | oh no, just the schema |
| 21:49.41 | SerajewelKS | so what do you use to edit your address book? just evolution? |
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| 21:51.29 | simonrvn | anything handy. i don't just use one. |
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| 21:52.26 | SerajewelKS | well, say for editing the moz data for the entries |
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| 21:53.29 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 21:53.59 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'm not trying to bother you, i'm just curious what you use so i can try to avoid reinventing this wheel as much as possible |
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| 21:55.13 | simonrvn | i know, and i'm being frank with you. i use whatever is open in front of me ;p. be it evo, or some admin type thing, or even sometimes CLI. |
| 21:55.37 | SerajewelKS | nod, understood |
| 21:55.43 | simonrvn | the best one i've ever seen was kaddressbook, for linux |
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| 21:55.56 | simonrvn | evo is like 2nd best |
| 21:56.27 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hrm. if my target MUA is thunderbird though, those don't seem like they would make much sense (at least say over luma). |
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| 21:56.48 | SerajewelKS | i knew this was going to be a PITA but i didn't think it would be a clusterfuck |
| 21:57.17 | simonrvn | been that way for a while. i would've written one if i could code my way out of a box. |
| 21:57.48 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't like thunderbird. |
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| 21:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | Rather use webmail. |
| 21:58.11 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: 3 has addressed a lot of the things i didn't like in 2 |
| 21:58.12 | ColdStart | hi |
| 21:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | Preferr squirrelmail in fact, which can edit an ldap addressbook. |
| 21:58.35 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i don't have any reason not to like it (except lack of ldap editing i guess) |
| 21:58.40 | simonrvn | squirrelmail is decent all-around |
| 21:58.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: evolution is just... meh |
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| 21:58.55 | SerajewelKS | i have not yet played around with squirrel |
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| 21:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | evolution is one of the reasons I avoide all things gnome. |
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| 21:59.33 | rysiek|pl | hello |
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| 21:59.57 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: you knwo, thunderbirds works on gnome just fine |
| 22:00.09 | rysiek|pl | guys, I have just fscked up bigtime and run mkfs.ext3 on a *disk* device containing a few partitions I kinda shouldn't, you know, lose |
| 22:00.18 | steampunkey | and i find evolution nice to work on, save some of the properties/login things |
| 22:00.25 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: gpart and pray |
| 22:00.28 | rysiek|pl | is there *any* way I could go around: recovering the partition table |
| 22:00.45 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: is that a graphical tool? |
| 22:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: Restore your backup. |
| 22:00.49 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: no |
| 22:00.58 | HSorgYves | i have a problem to get the ipv6 up early enough for bind and postfix to use (bind to) them; i am using "up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add xxxxxxx" in /etc/network/interfaces; anyone a clue what to change? |
| 22:00.59 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: thank FSM for that |
| 22:01.05 | steampunkey | jhutchins_lt: lol. you're notty :-) |
| 22:01.09 | steampunkey | *nottie |
| 22:01.11 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: it is a textmode tool that attempts to guess the partition table from the contents of the disk |
| 22:01.18 | SerajewelKS | steampunkey: naughty* |
| 22:01.28 | steampunkey | SerajewelKS: that too |
| 22:01.33 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: actually, I do have a few backups, but there was helluva lot of work put there after the last backup |
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| 22:02.00 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: so while I can go a few days back, it would be much better to restore what I can |
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| 22:02.08 | K4ka | !help |
| 22:02.12 | babilen | #debian on oftc needs some regulars - good night everybody ;) |
| 22:02.14 | babilen | waves |
| 22:02.16 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: you can pretty much kiss the first partition goodbye |
| 22:02.27 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: it depends when you noticed and hit ^C |
| 22:02.27 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: that is bad |
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| 22:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: I'm really glad to hear that. So often people just ignore the "never use a partition tool unless you have backups, even if you don't think your using it on live data". |
| 22:02.39 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: it went all through :/ |
| 22:02.46 | steampunkey | imagines "Are you sure you want to do this? [Yes, I am, really / No]" on a shell prog. |
| 22:02.50 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: then get out the backups, you are fucked |
| 22:02.54 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: Recovering the partition table is pretty unlikely. |
| 22:02.58 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: damn |
| 22:03.35 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: and even if he could, the filesystems are probably way beyond damaged |
| 22:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: Strange though, mkfs should have errored if you didn't point it to a valid partition. |
| 22:03.52 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: /dev/loop0 |
| 22:03.55 | rysiek|pl | don't ask |
| 22:04.11 | steampunkey | SerajewelKS: couldn't "recover" help him? |
| 22:04.12 | SerajewelKS | encrypted root? |
| 22:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | Backups. |
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| 22:04.45 | SerajewelKS | steampunkey: in theory, probably not enough to be useful... |
| 22:04.55 | steampunkey | yeah, i think the same. |
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| 22:05.36 | PresClinton | Am I correct in thinking that Debian cannot handle more than 6 subdirectories? |
| 22:05.46 | steampunkey | no |
| 22:05.47 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: nope, a disk image file, looped and running under a VM |
| 22:06.03 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS: plain, unencrypted, but now fucked, I guess |
| 22:06.26 | rysiek|pl | ah well, copying the raw image, installing gpart, praying to Our Noodly Lord |
| 22:06.30 | PresClinton | steampunkey when I try to burn an ISO onto a CD it says no more than 6 allowed |
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| 22:06.56 | steampunkey | PresClinton: use another prog. that setting is for compatibility reasons - namely windows |
| 22:07.02 | steampunkey | Debian can see it just fine |
| 22:07.37 | PresClinton | Steampunkey: I am burning a windows program to CD. Is this not possible within Debian or just continue with another program to burn? |
| 22:08.10 | steampunkey | you can burn it from Debian with, say, brasero. Whether you'll be able to read it from Windows is another issue. |
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| 22:08.31 | PresClinton | would it matter is its windows XP OS? |
| 22:08.33 | themill | wonders if PresClinton should spend more time reading the answers he gets |
| 22:08.35 | rysiek|pl | If I'd known the exact location of each partition and run parted on the image, and re-instated the whole partition table by-hand, is there a chance? |
| 22:08.36 | PresClinton | (that im burning) |
| 22:08.48 | steampunkey | PresClinton: wha? |
| 22:09.15 | PresClinton | I am burning a copy of XP to CD. Is this going to work as you stated windows might not be able to read it. |
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| 22:09.53 | steampunkey | Then it's perhaps a setting for old versions of the OS. Go ahead and burn it. CD's are cheap anyway. |
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| 22:10.14 | steampunkey | And by burn it I mean with fire, because you don't need it ;-) |
| 22:10.15 | ColdStart | Hello, i have Laptop, pentium 1.6 Centrino,1256MB ram, the thing is... whn i run some applications which take time lets say to compile something....after 30 minutes of compiling my laptop shuts down! (before it was not like that...) also...for example when i run Debian Linux...or other things...and i begin hearing the work of FAN...after some time it shuts down again... any thoughts? |
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| 22:11.17 | PresClinton | no...I do need it |
| 22:11.25 | steampunkey | XD |
| 22:11.41 | PresClinton | unless you want to sit here and listen to me ask a bunch of newb questions and piss people off in here |
| 22:11.42 | eikenberry | ColdStart. Sounds like classic case of CPU overheating. |
| 22:12.03 | ColdStart | eikenberry, well yes...but before it was not like that...like 3 month ago |
| 22:12.09 | ColdStart | so what could be reason? |
| 22:12.12 | PresClinton | mine overheats too. i have never had that issue until I booted in debian. i dont understand it either |
| 22:12.12 | eikenberry | Fan might have died. |
| 22:12.31 | steampunkey | PresClinton: power management is proprietary, we don't have drivers for it. |
| 22:12.31 | ColdStart | i opened the case of laptop while its working...and i c that FAN DOES work...it rotates |
| 22:12.54 | eikenberry | Can you monitor the temp? |
| 22:13.00 | PresClinton | i was told its the kernal constant updating |
| 22:13.06 | PresClinton | but I really dont know |
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| 22:13.42 | eikenberry | Perhaps whatever you were doing before didn't stress the CPU? |
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| 22:13.46 | steampunkey | PresClinton: If the prog is telling you something like: "may not" (be visible - meaning the directories), and "are you sure you want it incompatible" etc, you can just burn it. If it wants to cut of >6 dirs deep, then say no, and use another program that lets you burn it as-is. |
| 22:14.25 | PresClinton | steampunkiey it wouldnt even try to burn it. i will use brasero and see if it works. d/l now |
| 22:14.40 | steampunkey | k. |
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| 22:15.41 | themill | PresClinton: didn't you have brasero installed yesterday? |
| 22:15.58 | PresClinton | steampunkey thanks for the info,l I couldnt get an answer from google and the program stated that it wouldnt work because of the number of subs. |
| 22:16.29 | steampunkey | np, it's just what brasero told me today :-) |
| 22:16.36 | rysiek|pl | commences praying |
| 22:16.40 | PresClinton | themill: yes but I have reinstalled the OS 3 times today trying to remove partitions without creating another one (debian wont let me have just *ONE*) |
| 22:16.51 | themill | yes it will |
| 22:17.02 | amee2k | how do i mount a corrupted ext3 file system strictly read-only without recovering the journal? |
| 22:17.15 | steampunkey | themill: what about swap? |
| 22:17.21 | PresClinton | i tried every combination of installations of debian and they all created a swap partition that vista cannot reinstall over due to MS's BS |
| 22:17.24 | themill | steampunkey: you don't have to have swap |
| 22:17.53 | beardy | PresClinton: Don't use the automatic partitioning and it wont. |
| 22:17.57 | amee2k | -o ro,noload didn't do it, and mounting as ext2 complains about "unsupported optional features" and fails |
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| 22:18.29 | PresClinton | im just going to load XP then vista and then dual boot vista and debian so I can lean this OS on free time and not depend on needing quick answers to keep me going |
| 22:19.11 | PresClinton | vista is crap and wont let me install over debian without making me do a lot of jumping over BS MS crap up to my head. im so frustrated at this point |
| 22:19.24 | PresClinton | anyway - its burning. woot |
| 22:19.33 | beardy | PresClinton: Install every other OS you want on it, then Debian. |
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| 22:20.08 | PresClinton | beardy yes thats my next step. i just need to use MS for a bit longer so I can learn debian/linux as its not as simple as I thought it would be |
| 22:20.28 | PresClinton | I cant get everything on my system working correctly within enough time to use it for work |
| 22:20.33 | themill | still wonders why PresClinton doesn't take his windows installation questions into ##windows as suggested yesterday |
| 22:20.59 | PresClinton | themill... do you want an answer or do you want me to just read your thoughts??? |
| 22:21.06 | PresClinton | and - I dont have windows questions |
| 22:21.44 | beardy | PresClinton: Well, most advice for the last 10 yeard with "dual booting" has been, install Windows*, then the GNU/Linux distribution, saves you a lot of headache. |
| 22:21.46 | PresClinton | im supposed to go ask windows people why debian wouldnt burn 6 directories deep? |
| 22:21.49 | beardy | years* |
| 22:22.43 | PresClinton | Beardy its not easy placing vista over debian as vista will not attempt to install over GRUB. I am no longer asking how to do it, I know how now. I just came to ask about the directory issue. |
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| 22:23.00 | beardy | See what I just said. |
| 22:23.01 | themill | PresClinton: you keep complaining about how you can't reinstall windows because you can't get the windows installer to do things. I call bullshit and send you to ##windows for assistance. |
| 22:23.20 | themill | Just as I did yesterday. |
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| 22:24.08 | PresClinton | I again was asking about the directories ^^^read above. NOT windows installation. JUST directories. If you dont like me asking why some DEBIAN program was suggesting I cannot have more than 6 directories then ignore me. |
| 22:24.30 | themill | PresClinton: so why were you ranting about windows installations. again. |
| 22:24.53 | themill | actually... please don't tell me. |
| 22:24.56 | PresClinton | You are a fool but I got my Debian answer. Have a nice day. Troll to somebody else. |
| 22:24.57 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: looks like jxplorer is my best bet |
| 22:25.05 | PresClinton | Have a nice day. |
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| 22:27.30 | ColdStart | ok my PC again shuts off.. |
| 22:27.33 | ColdStart | thats eally weird |
| 22:27.42 | ColdStart | LapTop i mean |
| 22:27.46 | ColdStart | i opened its case |
| 22:27.51 | ColdStart | and saw that fan is rotating |
| 22:28.21 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS, jhutchins_lt: moving the borked image to the backup server to play later; copying the backed-up image to the VM host; gpart-ing the fucked-up image's copy, just in case... |
| 22:28.29 | rysiek|pl | SerajewelKS, jhutchins_lt: anywhoo, many thanks for your help |
| 22:28.38 | themill | ColdStart: clean out the dust-puppies? |
| 22:28.42 | SerajewelKS | rysiek|pl: np |
| 22:28.52 | ColdStart | i just did that themill |
| 22:28.55 | rysiek|pl | 's gonna get his drink now. |
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| 22:31.05 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: last step will be importing my existing address book... |
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| 22:31.28 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: looks like thunderbird can do LDIF export so i just have to figure out how to import LDIF into slapd and i'll be all set |
| 22:32.40 | mashihabong | I have problem during upgrading from lenny to squeeze. |
| 22:32.54 | mashihabong | is there anyone free to help? |
| 22:33.02 | themill | mashihabong: just ask |
| 22:33.09 | beardy | Ask your question. |
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| 22:35.01 | mashihabong | sure, i'm not sure if i do it right. after i run apt-get dist-upgrade, i got the error while installing udev. and now apt-get won't allow me to even install linux-image. Is there a way to continue the upgrade without reinstall the whole system? |
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| 22:35.47 | themill | mashihabong: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~nlinux-image; apt-cache policy udev" to start with? |
| 22:36.11 | mashihabong | sure |
| 22:36.17 | mashihabong | gimme minutes |
| 22:36.17 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: would need more specifics to help, but generally the way to do this is install new kenrel then upgrade |
| 22:36.48 | beardy | You should also be using aptitude by now.. |
| 22:36.59 | themill | tried hard to wedge apt like this the other day and failed so is interested to see the exact state |
| 22:37.47 | steampunkey | i'd like to use a hdd with bad sectors. i reckon using fsck or badblocks will help. but do they mark sectors as "unusable" at file system level, or hdd level? and how quickly do you think the situation would deteriorate if i used it? |
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| 22:38.16 | pipeline | steampunkey: the hdd marks bad blocks itself, internally |
| 22:38.37 | beardy | steampunkey: At filesystem level, afaik. Anything marked at a lower level is only done by the disks firmware afaik. |
| 22:38.38 | pipeline | steampunkey: it has a large set of "spare" blocks, and when blocks start to fail, it marks them bad preemptively and immediately copies the data to the "Spares" |
| 22:38.49 | mashihabong | @tnsaunde http://gist.github.com/405678 |
| 22:38.53 | pipeline | steampunkey: by the time you see a single bad block at the software level, you're already bonediddlyowned. |
| 22:38.59 | pipeline | steampunkey: it's like roaches: if you see one, the walls are full. |
| 22:39.07 | tbsaunde | themill: I've gotten past this before but learned to jsut install kernel first and reboot |
| 22:39.21 | pipeline | steampunkey: there are causes that could create a small patch of bad blocks larger than the spares available, but they're rare. You're better off buying a new hdd. |
| 22:39.23 | themill | tbsaunde: that's not a good solution to #571255 though |
| 22:39.27 | beardy | pipeline: Depends quite a lot what kind of disk it is.. |
| 22:39.37 | pipeline | beardy: not really |
| 22:39.42 | pipeline | beardy: hdds are all pretty much the same |
| 22:40.10 | themill | mashihabong: ok, so it looks like you do now have 2.6.32 installed and you should be able to reboot into that kernel and then continue. |
| 22:40.11 | steampunkey | pipeline: that bad, huh? well, at least i could use it for temporary video storage (downloading movies, watching, deleting) and running fsck now and then on it. |
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| 22:40.46 | tbsaunde | themill: what is the prefix on bugs.debian.org again :p |
| 22:40.49 | steampunkey | [ untill it gets reduced to like few gb :-) ] |
| 22:41.12 | mashihabong | ok. i'll try and will be back whether or not it works. :D |
| 22:41.20 | themill | mashihabong: but you said you couldn't install the new kernel... what are you seeing? can you pastebin the entire output of "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-3-686" |
| 22:41.23 | steampunkey | learned lesson: hdd's really are fragile tech :-P |
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| 22:41.58 | mashihabong | thank, tbsaunde |
| 22:42.50 | beardy | mashihabong: Can you install anything, or just not the kernel? The usual procedure is to upgrade aptitude, then dist upgrade. |
| 22:43.38 | tbsaunde | beardy: I think the problem he has is that 2.6.26 doesn't support udev in squeeze :( |
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| 22:46.43 | mashihabong | @themill: please wait. |
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| 22:48.12 | mashihabong | @themill: the output is at http://gist.github.com/405678 |
| 22:49.07 | mashihabong | @themill: i just check /boot... i don't see the image of 2.6.32 on the system. |
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| 22:55.53 | steampunkey | bye |
| 22:55.54 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: the error dpkg spits out says you can create /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file that might be worth a shot |
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| 23:02.27 | mashihabong | tbsaunde: it is better now... the problem is partially solved... i just got the new one but i'll see what i can do first. thanks for pointing out :) |
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| 23:04.11 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: you have the new kernel install is that what you mean? |
| 23:05.04 | mashihabong | tbsaunde: er... it is kinda unconfirmed but i got the error unrelated to udev or kernel. |
| 23:05.54 | mashihabong | tbsaunde: i try to run aptitude full-upgrade again. :) |
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| 23:06.33 | themill | you really should reboot into that new kernel+udev sooner rather than later |
| 23:06.36 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: either there is a vmlinuz-2.6.32-blah in /boot or n ot |
| 23:06.46 | tbsaunde | == themill |
| 23:06.55 | tbsaunde | *not |
| 23:07.46 | tbsaunde | icked with apt-get install -f for a while in this position and it didn't hurt but 2.6.32 will fix it all easier |
| 23:07.53 | tbsaunde | *dicked :p\ |
| 23:08.03 | mashihabong | @tbsaunde: it is in /boot now |
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| 23:08.41 | mashihabong | @themill: aptitude is still running now. :P |
| 23:08.56 | mashihabong | @themill: can't reboot it at the moment :P |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | mashihabong: most people don't have clients that highlight with the @ sign at the front |
| 23:09.44 | themill | sounds like most people need to get decent irc clients then |
| 23:09.55 | abrotman | or stop using the one you have :) |
| 23:10.24 | JoshH | most people's clients just hilight their own nick, which is proper |
| 23:10.35 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: then wait for aptitude to finish, and reboot |
| 23:10.37 | mashihabong | abrotman: well, mine actually don't highlight the @ sign either. i just use to indicate the name. |
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| 23:10.54 | abrotman | mashihabong: usually "themill: " is sufficient |
| 23:11.07 | themill | thanks abrotman for the gratuitous highlight |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | you forgot the colon! |
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| 23:11.38 | mashihabong | abrotman: i'll remember that. :) |
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| 23:25.16 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: all done :) |
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| 23:25.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 23:25.54 | SerajewelKS | i think jxplorer will work well from now on. (had to massage my ldif export to import it, but it's all working now) |
| 23:26.10 | SerajewelKS | i don't think i will be able to convince my wife to use this though... |
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| 23:37.56 | simonrvn | no, it's rather opaque |
| 23:38.30 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i'm using a git repo for my signature, and i have yet to find a decent way to sync other thunderbird settings, but oh well. three installs is fairly manageable. |
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| 23:38.58 | simonrvn | too bad tb doesn't have a sync.. |
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| 23:39.27 | SerajewelKS | yeah well, LDAP for contacts, IMAP for mail, and git for signature covers most of the shit that is likely to change often |
| 23:40.02 | SerajewelKS | (just fyi, it's the same git repo that contains my preferred vimrc etc. my "config files" repo.) |
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| 23:44.55 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 23:51.09 | deeb | hi |
| 23:51.46 | trench | booh |
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| 23:56.40 | mashihabong | themill + tbsaunde: thanks. it is working now :) |
| 23:57.13 | themill | yay! |
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| 23:59.11 | tbsaunde | mashihabong: np, cool |
| 23:59.53 | oreo | Hey! Could someone give me a few tips to configure Debian Lenny so less memory is used? Right now it has ssh, cron, monit and bind9.7, and it's eating up 128MB or RAM. What gives? |