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| 00:01.25 | amphi | aguitel: grub's time is quite trivial in either case, IMHO |
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| 00:02.30 | aguitel | amphi, i am asking to save time in boot process |
| 00:02.42 | pickcoder | aguitel: your initrd size and service list should be considered |
| 00:05.03 | zamba | yup.. package system in a stable state.. will now reboot into 2.6 |
| 00:05.15 | zamba | interesting to see if it actually boots ;) |
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| 00:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | The udev/hald transition can be a b*tch, but it's probably easier to work it out in Debian than anything else. |
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| 00:18.07 | simonrvn | congrats dsa for the good work to get ftp-master back up |
| 00:18.21 | simonrvn | (don't update yet) |
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| 00:42.50 | capitan | man i miss the days where sound was simple!! send everything through esd and you're good... |
| 00:44.10 | zinx | erh |
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| 00:54.24 | nwoaik | I am having DRM error during boot-up which caused the system to hang. Web searches seem to indicate that this is a bug in kernel which has been removed since 2.6.31 but I am using 2.6.32. Any comment? |
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| 00:55.02 | Bilnao | Hello I've a question about http ( I know it's not really related to debian ) when you use http://user:passwd@192.168.0.1/debian it's using HTTP plain authentication ? |
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| 00:56.00 | lappy12 | Could somebody please help me figure out a dns problem? After the browser loads a page, it continues to create tons of dns traffic. Example: http://pastebin.org/131691 |
| 00:56.35 | Bilnao | It's just rDNS queries |
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| 00:56.51 | lappy12 | Ya, but why are there so many? |
| 00:57.11 | lappy12 | And why do they continue for minutes upon minutes after the page loads? |
| 00:57.11 | Bilnao | Good question, are you sure it's coming from your browser ? |
| 00:58.02 | Bilnao | Do you have any add-ons related to IPs display ect ... in your browser ? |
| 00:58.11 | lappy12 | No, but if I reboot the start tcpdump, there isn't any traffic, then when I open a browser, still no traffic. Then I load a page and the requests just keep coming. |
| 00:58.23 | lappy12 | *then |
| 00:58.32 | pmo | hello, i would like to upgrade by bios.. i tried linux flashrom with no success.. i don't have floppy disk, neither usb key, but a cd reader / writer.. bios is also about 8 MB.. how i should i do, what do you suggest, best solution, tools to use, thanks to all in advance ! |
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| 00:59.08 | henriquetft | !backport |
| 00:59.08 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 01:00.50 | pmo | lappy12, reinstall browser |
| 01:01.21 | lappy12 | pmo: I don't think its browser specific, epiphany, opera, and firefox all cause this. |
| 01:01.40 | pmo | lappy12, ??? |
| 01:02.14 | pmo | lappy12, first page you load.. trigger 'requests' ? |
| 01:02.44 | pmo | lappy12, sorry i haven't followed the conversation, just arrived.. i just tried a response in case |
| 01:03.20 | freaky[t] | hi all. does anyone know the command to install only the dependencies for a package, but not the package? |
| 01:03.26 | Bilnao | you've to be sure that's your browser is doing those queries |
| 01:03.29 | lappy12 | pmo: Right, there isn't any dns traffic, even after opening the browser (blank homepage), then I go to google or wherever, there is some traffic, the page loads, then the dns ptr packets continue for 5+ minutes |
| 01:03.48 | Bilnao | firefox ? |
| 01:03.54 | lappy12 | pmo: Example: http://pastebin.org/131691 |
| 01:03.58 | pmo | freaky[t], apt-cache depends package, and then apt-get all package_dependant |
| 01:04.01 | Titan8990 | freaky[t]: only build depends AFAIK |
| 01:04.13 | lappy12 | Bilnao: Yep, but opera and epiphany do it too. |
| 01:04.45 | lappy12 | Bilnao: How can I be sure? |
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| 01:04.59 | Bilnao | hmm |
| 01:05.04 | pmo | lappy12, and what does it ask for (dns packets ? ) |
| 01:05.05 | Bilnao | with netstat |
| 01:05.10 | freaky[t] | thank you |
| 01:05.23 | Bilnao | it's a PTR querie |
| 01:05.23 | freaky[t] | apt-get build-dep <package> is the command ;D |
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| 01:06.05 | erxz_paste | "Robert Savage is a bigot" at 71.6.194.243 pasted "A PR Nightmare" (118 lines) at http://erxz.com/pb/24526 |
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| 01:06.32 | funkyHat | http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM I'm looking at these pages (the NSS one and this one mainly), and following advice on the NSS page I installed libnss-ldapd. That seems to contradict what's on the PAM page |
| 01:06.41 | lappy12 | pmo: Tons of ptr queries |
| 01:06.52 | funkyHat | Do I still need to edit the configs in /etc/pam.d? |
| 01:06.59 | lappy12 | Bilnao: What do I look for with netstat? |
| 01:07.13 | pmo | lappy12, are they all the same, are they different, how so ? |
| 01:07.39 | dutchfish | hi, when i execute: aptitude changelog [non-existent package], i get a segfault, shouldnt this be gracefully closed instead? is this a bug? (squeeze/amd64 latest) |
| 01:08.29 | Bilnao | it's weird cause it seems to be only google IPs, ( so it's legit ) |
| 01:08.37 | Bilnao | but why your browser is doing that is a mystery |
| 01:08.43 | lappy12 | pmo: Usually all the same. Since all of my testing has been with google pages its usually 74.125.74.xxx, last octect changes. |
| 01:08.57 | amphi | dutchfish: 'aptitude changelog foo' gives 'E: Couldn't find a changelog for foo", no segfault - squeeze/amd64 |
| 01:09.19 | lappy12 | Bilnao: Sometimes its other ones. It just depends on what the last page to load was. |
| 01:09.46 | lappy12 | One time it was some amazon ip, another was verizon. |
| 01:09.52 | pmo | lappy12, you have a modem / external router ? usb / ethernet ? where points your dns ? |
| 01:09.57 | dutchfish | amphi: i get instead No candidate version found for git |
| 01:10.01 | dutchfish | Segmentation fault |
| 01:10.07 | Bilnao | I know, your browser is quering for ptr record on the website |
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| 01:11.04 | dutchfish | amphi: on running aptitude changelog git |
| 01:11.06 | amphi | dutchfish: here I have aptitude 0.6.1.5 compiled at Mar 12 2010 18:48:34 |
| 01:11.14 | lappy12 | pmo: I have a router running dd-wrt using open-dns, connected to a cable modem. |
| 01:11.15 | Bilnao | do you have something special in your hosts file ? |
| 01:11.20 | Tenkawa | wow no fix for ries yet eh? |
| 01:11.34 | Bilnao | hosts & resolv.conf |
| 01:11.39 | dutchfish | amphi: 0.6.1.5-3 |
| 01:11.48 | amphi | dutchfish: that gives me a segfault |
| 01:11.53 | pmo | lappy12, you use ethernet / wireless ? both ? |
| 01:11.55 | dutchfish | amphi: right |
| 01:12.04 | amphi | dutchfish: same version here |
| 01:12.05 | lappy12 | Bilnao: just 127.0.0.1, localhost, and the computer name. |
| 01:12.09 | Bilnao | ok |
| 01:12.13 | lappy12 | pmo: ethernet. |
| 01:13.25 | pmo | lappy12, only one ethernet connection.. to the router, then out ?? and only one compputer on your lan ? |
| 01:13.25 | lappy12 | Bilnao: resolv.conf has nameserver 192.168.1.1 and search <my domain name> |
| 01:13.25 | pmo | lappy12, 1.1 being your router |
| 01:13.25 | lappy12 | pmo: right |
| 01:13.25 | Bilnao | ok |
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| 01:13.51 | amphi | dutchfish: can you get it to segfault with anything other than git? |
| 01:14.00 | amphi | I didn't yet |
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| 01:14.14 | pmo | lappy12, all ip / domain.. all the same way.. from your computer (ip), to router (ip) ? |
| 01:14.21 | dutchfish | amphi: some other virtual packages as well, git was just an example |
| 01:14.22 | lappy12 | pmo: One connection through a small switch (I have bypassed this and it didn't help) to the router, then the modem. The router has 3 other computers connected, wired and wireless. |
| 01:14.23 | pmo | lappy12, or both way ? |
| 01:14.52 | dutchfish | amphi: it leaves a mem leak as well (strace) |
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| 01:14.59 | lappy12 | pmo: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. |
| 01:15.08 | lelu | whats the debian version of port install vorbis-tools ? |
| 01:15.12 | pmo | lappy12, router setup as a bridge, or a router ? |
| 01:15.22 | lappy12 | pmo: as a router. |
| 01:15.47 | lelu | anyone else trying to follow http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/wiki/BuildingAndRunning? |
| 01:15.48 | pmo | lappy12, it may have some issue fiinding his way out.. maybe |
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| 01:16.04 | dutchfish | amphi: example aptitude changelog exim |
| 01:16.20 | amphi | dutchfish: git here gives 'No candidate version found for git' before segfaulting |
| 01:16.31 | dutchfish | amphi: yep, here too |
| 01:16.38 | pmo | lappy12, i'd suggest for you to look at routes.. but if you dont know what i am talking about, it may be difficult |
| 01:16.58 | amphi | that would seem to be the key |
| 01:17.03 | amphi | exim is the same |
| 01:17.11 | dutchfish | amphi: yes |
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| 01:17.12 | lappy12 | pmo: It is confusing, I have booted into windows on the same box, it works fine, all other pc's on the network work fine. |
| 01:18.27 | lappy12 | pmo: route shows 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 and default DD-WRT 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:19.18 | Bilnao | pmo I don't get it with route and PTR queries |
| 01:19.33 | Bilnao | what's the point ? |
| 01:20.31 | pmo | Bilnao, i suppose PTR will get answered.. since they aren't (i suppose), machine keep asking.. |
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| 01:20.48 | _Trinity_ | j #lxde |
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| 01:21.31 | pmo | lappy12, did you check your "ip route default".. to see if it is setup the same withother computers ? |
| 01:21.49 | lappy12 | pmo: yes |
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| 01:22.33 | pmo | lappy12, cable on same sort of slot.. no vlan for your slot on router ? |
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| 01:23.01 | Bilnao | could you type in a console : dig ptr 139.47.125.74.in-addr.arpa |
| 01:23.02 | lappy12 | pmo: Nothing special. |
| 01:23.44 | pmo | lappy12, before using browser, can you check.. a ping to router ( see if it works.. fast, as normal).. and then use 'host www.google.com).. check out all works ok ? |
| 01:24.27 | lappy12 | pmo: Ping to router works, doesn't result in the ptr packets. |
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| 01:25.10 | lappy12 | Bilnao: It says got answer, query time 108 msec, server: 192.168.1.1#53 |
| 01:25.14 | dutchfish | shouldnt the " not be escaped alla url? |
| 01:25.28 | Bilnao | something like : 139.47.125.74.in-addr.arpa. 10800 INPTRyw-in-f139.1e100.net. ? |
| 01:25.36 | pmo | lappy12, any dns burden at the same time, like when you open browser |
| 01:26.34 | lappy12 | pmo: Host www.google.com gives me www.google.com is an alias for google.navigation.opendns.com & has address 208.69.36.230 |
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| 01:26.51 | Bilnao | oO |
| 01:27.16 | lappy12 | Bilnao: No, didn't get anything like that with the dig. |
| 01:27.30 | Bilnao | ok so pmo was right |
| 01:27.33 | Bilnao | you've a dns problem |
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| 01:28.46 | lappy12 | Bilnao: How do I find it? |
| 01:28.49 | pmo | lappy12, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:29.42 | lappy12 | pmo: resolv.conf has nameserver 192.168.1.1 and search <my domain name> |
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| 01:29.55 | Bilnao | remove or comment search line |
| 01:30.04 | Bilnao | put # at the begining ( you've to be root ) |
| 01:30.05 | pmo | Bilnao, :) |
| 01:30.22 | lappy12 | Got it. |
| 01:30.55 | Bilnao | ( grtz Montréal :> ) |
| 01:31.27 | dutchfish | yes, that too, and use dig to find out ttl and if round robin is playing tricks on you |
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| 01:31.38 | dutchfish | sorry xposting |
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| 01:33.45 | pmo | lappy12, any better ? |
| 01:34.24 | dutchfish | amphi: is this a bug, should i file it? |
| 01:34.29 | lappy12 | pmo: Not yet, I restarted to be sure. |
| 01:34.55 | pmo | lappy12, "restarted".. you didn't need.. unless you mean restart your browse |
| 01:35.03 | pmo | lappy12, browser |
| 01:35.25 | amphi | dutchfish: I would think so, yes |
| 01:35.41 | dutchfish | amphi: thanks, i will then |
| 01:36.26 | amphi | dutchfish: well caught ;) |
| 01:36.51 | dutchfish | amphi: yw |
| 01:37.14 | lappy12 | pmo: Still doing it but it cut down on the number of queries. |
| 01:38.20 | Bilnao | cut down you mean queries are normal ? |
| 01:38.53 | pmo | lappy12, try "dig" requrest of Bilbao, it should behave differently (better) |
| 01:39.08 | lelu | hey guys i have java installed in debian and it says its OpenJDK Server VM (build 1.6.0_0-b11, mixed mode) |
| 01:39.12 | Bilnao | imo using opendns is a bad idea |
| 01:39.20 | lappy12 | Bilnao: No, not normal, but instead of every two seconds or so its one every 10 seconds. |
| 01:39.21 | Bilnao | they don't respect rfc for dns ect ... |
| 01:39.25 | lelu | where would the JAVA_HOME= be set to? |
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| 01:39.53 | lappy12 | Bilnao: I switched to see if it was my isp being stupid and haven't changed it back. |
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| 01:40.34 | rares | is there a way to reload sound drivers without rebootting? |
| 01:40.49 | Bilnao | probably yes with modprobe |
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| 01:41.05 | Bilnao | modprobe -r drivername and then modprobe drivername |
| 01:41.25 | Titan8990 | rares: alsaconf will do it if your running lenny |
| 01:41.33 | wolfric | how do i change the default group on public_html in user directories? |
| 01:41.51 | rares | where is alsaconf? |
| 01:42.06 | lappy12 | I need to go eat dinner now, I'd appreciate it if you pm me any more ideas and I'll be back after awhile. |
| 01:42.10 | Titan8990 | wolfric: you typically don't want that to be anything other than that user... |
| 01:42.21 | Titan8990 | rares: what release are you running? |
| 01:42.44 | wolfric | Titan8990: i want it to be apache so users can set permissions for apache and not leave it completly open to other users |
| 01:43.43 | wolfric | or would it be better to add apache to the user groups by default? |
| 01:43.56 | Bilnao | someone knows if it's possible to use url authentication ( http://user:pass@ip ) with a APT repository |
| 01:44.07 | pmo | hello, i would like to upgrade by bios.. i tried linux flashrom with no success.. i don't have floppy disk, neither usb key, but a cd reader / writer.. bios is also about 8 MB.. how i should i do, what do you suggest, best solution, tools to use, thanks to all in advance ! |
| 01:44.33 | Bilnao | use a windows xp live cd ? |
| 01:44.34 | Titan8990 | wolfric: I am not sure if it is possible unless it is the default groups for the users |
| 01:44.41 | pmo | Bilnao, i think it would |
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| 01:45.01 | Bilnao | usualy biois are only upgradable on windows I think |
| 01:45.13 | Bilnao | with a .bin and a proper loader ( .exe ) |
| 01:45.22 | Titan8990 | wolfric: umask only effects permissions |
| 01:45.45 | pmo | Bilnao, yes.. i have all that, but nothing to boot from.. bootable CD :( |
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| 01:46.00 | simonrvn | freedos can manage it... |
| 01:46.18 | pmo | Bilnao, and i dont know how to make that sort of thing.. i mean .. not a floppy emulation since i need more space to handle bios update 8 MB |
| 01:46.21 | Bilnao | You have to download a windows live cd to do that, I'm quiet sure it's not possible to flash a bios with Wine |
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| 01:46.36 | tonsofpcs | quite. |
| 01:46.42 | Bilnao | yeah sorry |
| 01:47.01 | pmo | Bilnao, windows live cd :) .. sounds good, where can i get that sort of beast ? :) |
| 01:47.30 | simonrvn | 8 mb bios update? ugh. |
| 01:47.49 | Bilnao | windows is not designed for doing that so you've to dl a home made distro on a torrent site for exemple |
| 01:48.39 | pmo | simonrvn, yep.. at least the 'bios' to install is 8MB in size.. |
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| 01:49.01 | Bilnao | http://pastebin.org/131691 |
| 01:49.02 | Bilnao | oops |
| 01:49.07 | Bilnao | http://thepiratebay.org/search/windows%20xp%20live%20cd/0/9/0 |
| 01:49.16 | Hydroxide | Bilnao: do not encourage copyright infringement here. |
| 01:49.20 | Bilnao | I know |
| 01:49.47 | pmo | Bilnao, plenty links on the web, no worries, thanks ;-) |
| 01:49.49 | Hydroxide | pmo: if you have the right versions of windows, there are legal ways to make your own bootable live cd version |
| 01:50.00 | Hydroxide | (i.e. Windows PE) |
| 01:50.12 | pmo | Hydroxide, yes i have a legal one.. at least one.. Vista.. |
| 01:50.34 | Bilnao | xp / vista / 7 it's all good |
| 01:50.36 | Hydroxide | pmo: ok, you can download one of the various toolkits (e.g. WAIK) from microsoft and make your own live CD |
| 01:50.45 | Hydroxide | pmo: but this is not the right channel for support with that :) |
| 01:50.58 | Bilnao | just make sure that your loader is working on your windows' version |
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| 01:51.27 | pmo | Hydroxide, i tried with linux and flashrom.. but no success . both linux and windows issue.. but more linux.. since i use mostly linus |
| 01:51.34 | pmo | Hydroxide, linux |
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| 01:51.54 | Bilnao | for a mobo ? |
| 01:52.10 | pmo | Bilnao, mobo ? |
| 01:52.13 | Hydroxide | pmo: in this case, what are the various methods of flashing that the manufacturer offers? |
| 01:52.24 | Bilnao | pmo, motherboard |
| 01:52.33 | pmo | Hydroxide, help yourself.. |
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| 01:52.49 | Hydroxide | pmo: no, they generally have instructions on their support web page |
| 01:52.52 | pmo | Bilnao, H55M-E33 |
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| 01:53.14 | Hydroxide | pmo: and if it's at all recent, they will provide a method that doesn't involve a floppy disk, though it may involve burning a CD-ROM or running a Windows utility |
| 01:53.20 | Bilnao | So it is, so as I told you usually it's not possible to upgrade mobo firmware from linux it's always win32stuff |
| 01:53.48 | pmo | Hydroxide, yep i have a full page.. but it says.. well i had the impression it is a copy and paste.. for older bios.. update (floppy and the like) |
| 01:54.00 | simonrvn | unless you're using something like openboot or similar |
| 01:54.11 | Hydroxide | pmo: URL? |
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| 01:54.53 | lindi- | Bilnao: every time i have upgraded it has been DOS stuff. are they nowadays really Windows programs? |
| 01:54.56 | pmo | Hydroxide, on the paper, they mention all sort.. url .. hmm |
| 01:55.02 | Bilnao | http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1956 |
| 01:55.07 | scurnoid | hi hi :) |
| 01:55.42 | Bilnao | it's not because you're seeing a win32 console that's a programm running on it |
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| 01:56.00 | lindi- | Bilnao: was that a reply for me? ;) |
| 01:56.02 | schmack | how can i connect to mhy wireless point? |
| 01:56.14 | schmack | i have no internet connection only wifi access |
| 01:56.27 | Bilnao | lindi, yes :) but my answer is confused |
| 01:56.55 | lindi- | Bilnao: indeed |
| 01:57.26 | Bilnao | Lindi, since couple of years now, all firware upgrade are made on windows |
| 01:57.40 | Bilnao | firmware* |
| 01:58.14 | Hydroxide | pmo: it looks like the link Bilnao gave you has a windows program called LiveUpdate you can download to do the update |
| 01:58.20 | lindi- | Bilnao: making flashrom work for a desktop should not be that hard |
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| 01:58.55 | simonrvn | patches welcome ;) :P |
| 01:59.41 | pmo | Hydroxide, i dont have windows, on the computer i want to upgrade mobo :( |
| 01:59.58 | Bilnao | pmo, get a win32 live cd that's the only way |
| 02:00.59 | Hydroxide | pmo: the motherboard may have come with a bootable CD version of the liveupdate thing |
| 02:01.04 | Hydroxide | pmo: check your materials |
| 02:01.13 | Bilnao | I hope you've a real problem, because upgrading the firmware could bring more issues than before |
| 02:01.21 | pmo | Bilnao, from live cd.. i will access hard disk, and then flash bios ? |
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| 02:02.00 | pmo | Hydroxide, was driver / utils.. didn't know they provide.. livecd too, ? |
| 02:02.11 | Bilnao | it's very easy, you lauch windows and then your firmware upgrade ( without installing windows ) |
| 02:02.33 | Bilnao | do you have a real problem which needs bios upgrading ? |
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| 02:03.07 | Bilnao | bios upgrade are very different from others stuff ( newer software versions ect ... ) |
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| 02:04.10 | pmo | Bilnao, i'll need to access at least hard disk.. to get the new bios and flash, since i will not have it on the cdrom/ livecd.. upgrade.. yes; because it doesn't recognize CPU properly.. recognized as a celeron instead of a core i3 |
| 02:04.18 | lindi- | Bilnao: it's software too :) |
| 02:04.29 | Hydroxide | pmo: the driver / utils disc might be bootable - the msi web page does mention a companion CD |
| 02:04.37 | Hydroxide | on the bios flash thing |
| 02:04.38 | pmo | Hydroxide, :) |
| 02:05.27 | lindi- | Bilnao: for example i'd like to get an upgrade that swaps the Ctrl and Fn keys on this laptop but the manufacturer is probably not interested in making one |
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| 02:05.39 | Hydroxide | lindi-: you can do that at the OS level |
| 02:05.56 | Hydroxide | unless you need it during the BIOS phase |
| 02:06.02 | Bilnao | yes with gnome it's possible |
| 02:06.06 | lindi- | Hydroxide: nope, it's the embedded controller that interprets Fn before it is given to CPU |
| 02:06.11 | Da_Wrecka | Question: Would bad sector(s) cause dd to throw an "Input/Output error"? |
| 02:06.18 | Bilnao | yes |
| 02:06.26 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, yes |
| 02:06.29 | Da_Wrecka | Damn. |
| 02:06.34 | Hydroxide | lindi-: I still wouldn't assume you can't make linux disable that, etc |
| 02:06.45 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, bad cable / connection can lead to same effect |
| 02:06.46 | Hydroxide | lindi-: modern computers are surprisingly configurable at the software level |
| 02:06.55 | lindi- | Hydroxide: yes but there's no documentation for the EC |
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| 02:07.04 | Bilnao | Lindi, wich laptop ? |
| 02:07.06 | Da_Wrecka | pmo: This is a laptop :/ The screws are secure, so I can assume it's not the connection |
| 02:07.08 | Bilnao | which* |
| 02:07.10 | lindi- | Bilnao: aspire one |
| 02:07.18 | Bilnao | I've one |
| 02:07.23 | Bilnao | and it's working on Ubuntu |
| 02:07.30 | lindi- | Hydroxide: except that we know how to control the fan but that's about all |
| 02:07.34 | lindi- | Bilnao: sure it works |
| 02:07.40 | Bilnao | I mean all keys |
| 02:07.41 | lindi- | Bilnao: but can you swap fn and ctrl? |
| 02:07.48 | Bilnao | I've to try |
| 02:07.58 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, alpha drivers too |
| 02:08.17 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, but whatever can easily lead to disaster.. |
| 02:08.20 | Da_Wrecka | pmo: It throws the I/O error at the 44GB mark. |
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| 02:08.41 | lindi- | Bilnao: it's really annoying that different laptops have different order for Ctrl and Fn :) |
| 02:08.50 | Bilnao | I know :/ |
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| 02:09.02 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, what sort of format ? vfat ? ext3 ??? |
| 02:09.13 | Da_Wrecka | Currently NTFS. |
| 02:09.15 | lindi- | Bilnao: for me it's a reminder that i want a free bios :) |
| 02:09.30 | Da_Wrecka | It's got XP Home on it right now; I'm trying to back up the drive so I can flatten it and install Debian |
| 02:10.15 | pmo | Da_Wrecka, you should try read .. after.. 44GB |
| 02:10.46 | rares | anyone know how to fix the ALC888 low volume problem on MSi cx700 laptops? |
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| 02:12.07 | pmo | Hydroxide, Bilnao thanks to both of you.. gonna try .. my .. Driver & utilities as live cd for a start.. and look forward for a live cd.. if that doesnt work, ta |
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| 02:13.29 | pmo | rares, i would look on linux-.../Documentation.. for this.. plenty of options for modules / driver depending on your specific chip.. |
| 02:14.08 | pmo | rares, linux-2.6..../Documentation.. # grep -ilR alc.. |
| 02:14.17 | Pnux | hey guys, i have a question regarding pidgin and a lib on squeeze.. when i run Pidgin on a terminal, it says something about not being able to load the canberra-gtk-module module, but according to aptitude, pidgin doesnt recommend or depends on libcanberra-gtk-module. Pastebin here: http://paste.debian.net/67239/ |
| 02:15.38 | Pnux | the question would be if this should be reported as a bug or not, and if so, to who |
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| 02:24.48 | f3xy | wow install ubuntu on a ibook g3 is slow going |
| 02:24.53 | f3xy | err installing |
| 02:25.27 | simonrvn | and off-topic here |
| 02:27.22 | f3xy | hey it's based off debian |
| 02:27.29 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 02:27.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 02:27.38 | f3xy | bah |
| 02:27.43 | pikudox | ,o2 |
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| 02:28.17 | Pnux | simonrvn: by any chance, did you see my question? |
| 02:28.25 | Bilnao | does apt support url authentidaction ? ( http://user:pass@ip ) ? |
| 02:28.36 | f3xy | I have no need to go to #ubuntu I'm not asking for assistance just making conversation |
| 02:28.38 | simonrvn | Pnux: sorry no |
| 02:28.44 | Pnux | hey guys, i have a question regarding pidgin and a lib on squeeze.. when i run Pidgin on a terminal, it says something about not being able to load the canberra-gtk-module module, but according to aptitude, pidgin doesnt recommend or depends on libcanberra-gtk-module. Pastebin here: http://paste.debian.net/67239/ |
| 02:28.47 | Pnux | the question would be if this should be reported as a bug or not, and if so, to who |
| 02:28.58 | simonrvn | f3xy: #debian-offtopic, #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks |
| 02:29.13 | f3xy | huh well you learn something new every day |
| 02:29.31 | simonrvn | wouldn't worry about that Pnux - but yes that's a packaging bug |
| 02:30.01 | f3xy | please excuse my ignorance simonrvn |
| 02:30.42 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:32.44 | Pnux | simonrvn: figured.. are you sure i should bother about it? theres no bug report in the btt, or i just didnt do the search properly |
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| 02:33.17 | simonrvn | look under the package name (/msg dpkg bts) |
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| 02:34.46 | Pnux | simonrvn: still nothing about it |
| 02:37.13 | simonrvn | *shrug* it's fixed now afaict, anyway |
| 02:37.39 | nsadmin | Pnux: look at the bts to see if it's already reported |
| 02:38.11 | Pnux | nsadmin: thats what im doing, but didnt find anything about it yet |
| 02:38.20 | Da_Wrecka | Seems it may be worth investing in a replacement hard disk for this laptop... That, or bite the bullet and just skip the backup. It's a backup that's unlikely to be strictly necessary anyway; There's nothing on the disk that isn't already either backed up or easily-replaceable. |
| 02:38.29 | nsadmin | ok, see if you can find who is the maint |
| 02:38.56 | Pnux | nsadmin: Ari Pollak is |
| 02:39.16 | nsadmin | simonrvn it's fixed? maybe in a version he doesn't have yet? |
| 02:40.19 | nsadmin | are 2.5" disks typically slower than 3.5" ones? |
| 02:40.33 | nsadmin | especially 250g and up |
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| 02:40.47 | simonrvn | did you check under pidgin? |
| 02:41.09 | Pnux | simonrvn: what you mean? |
| 02:41.41 | nsadmin | which word confused you? |
| 02:41.45 | Da_Wrecka | nsadmin: I don't believe they're inherently slower... But you're more likely to get a 5.4kRPM drive in a laptop than a 7.2k or better |
| 02:41.55 | Da_Wrecka | Excluding aftermarket replacements of course |
| 02:42.18 | nsadmin | what kind of results in aftermarket, you think? |
| 02:42.35 | Da_Wrecka | Depends what sort of aftermarket drive you get |
| 02:42.57 | Da_Wrecka | a 10kRPM drive with lots of cache would probably outperform an average 7.2k 3.5" drive. |
| 02:43.20 | nsadmin | ok... so overall, not inherently slower and not necessarily slower at all |
| 02:43.30 | Da_Wrecka | Yeah, that's my understanding. |
| 02:43.42 | Da_Wrecka | Don't take my word for that though, I'm no expert |
| 02:43.55 | nsadmin | np, I appreciate your input |
| 02:44.20 | Da_Wrecka | but yeah, overall I don't believe there's any inherent difference in performance between 2.5" and 3.5" |
| 02:44.27 | Da_Wrecka | They're just different form factors. |
| 02:46.47 | nsadmin | are there pata or sata 2.5" drives these days that still can't do dma? (just on avg) |
| 02:47.10 | nsadmin | or is dma really about the controller? |
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| 02:48.21 | kairu | hey guys |
| 02:48.24 | Da_Wrecka | That, I couldn't tell you |
| 02:48.48 | Da_Wrecka | That said, I think it would be difficult to find a new drive that was incapable of DMA |
| 02:49.32 | Da_Wrecka | The drive and the controller both have to support it, but if my old Compaq Armada has a controller that supports DMA, I think any modern system would somehow have the same support at least |
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| 02:51.14 | Germanaz0 | hello everybody o/ |
| 02:51.54 | kairu | does this sound right, since my big screen's size is 1920x1080 and my laptop is 1024x768 and its to the left not above or below the (xdim,ydim) of the virtual screen would be 1920x1848 |
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| 03:02.18 | Da_Wrecka | Chkdsk under BartPE says this other laptop has 4KB in bad clusters. That sucks. |
| 03:02.35 | Da_Wrecka | Not enough to justify replacing the drive, but apparently enough to make dd barf |
| 03:03.50 | Pnux | sucks |
| 03:05.17 | mentor | Slightly unrelated, does clicking anywhere on this page seem to bring up Canadian Pharmacy for anyone else too: http://www.onlinechemist4u.co.uk/341/care-acetone ? |
| 03:05.30 | Bilnao | someones knows if url auth ( http://user:pass@ip ) is the same as http plain text auth ? |
| 03:05.49 | simonrvn | yes that's basic auth |
| 03:06.07 | kairu | mentor, nope nothing for me |
| 03:06.29 | mentor | Well, it could in theory be using digest auth too |
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| 03:06.50 | Bilnao | simonrvn, you're sure ? cause i've an issue about that |
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| 03:07.14 | simonrvn | mentor: there's some online pharmacy crap here and there in the source |
| 03:07.40 | simonrvn | afaik it is |
| 03:07.40 | mentor | Well, I mean the site itself is an online pharmacy |
| 03:08.03 | mentor | But apparently a proper one |
| 03:08.28 | Bilnao | <simonrvn> :/ |
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| 03:10.07 | simonrvn | mentor: yeh, that's true. and hello :) |
| 03:10.11 | mentor | Hi |
| 03:10.29 | f3xy | notes the double standards of #debian |
| 03:10.52 | schoppenhauer | hello. I am currently trying to create a debian-livecd with xdmcp-enabled gdm ... but I cannot find out how to configure the gdm started in this livesystem to accept xdmcp. I read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Configuration but actually, afaik, you have to add xdmcp to /etc/gdm/custom.conf I think, and I dont know how to do this with lh_build, how to add configuration-files ... |
| 03:10.53 | simonrvn | it's quiet now. not double standard. |
| 03:11.06 | simonrvn | erm, was =;) |
| 03:11.08 | mentor | Weird, it looks to me like there's a image of the page set as the background overset by a whole load of non breaking spaces. Very odd. |
| 03:11.22 | mentor | Bilnao: What is the issue? |
| 03:11.24 | f3xy | do you mean it was quiet then? :p |
| 03:12.06 | Pnux | f3xy: truth be told, he wasnt talking about ubuntu.. |
| 03:12.30 | f3xy | this is indeed true nor was he talking about debian ;) |
| 03:13.08 | mentor | And now it's back to normal |
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| 03:13.19 | mentor | wonders if someone is running HTTP injection attacks |
| 03:13.20 | Bilnao | mentor, the issue is related to http server, I setup an apt repository ( with lighttpd very simple ) and on my client in /etc/apt/source.list there is something like : http://user:pass@123.123.123.123/debian I added plain text auth on lighttpd it's working from my browser but apt failed to connect when i check lighttpd logs it said password failed |
| 03:13.21 | Pnux | anyways.. does the bts have an online form to fill out bugs? i dont really wanna read the man for reportbug just to send a bug report |
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| 03:13.43 | mentor | Bilnao: Well, the http method apt uses may not support authentication |
| 03:13.59 | mentor | Does it? |
| 03:14.01 | mentor | looks around |
| 03:14.09 | Bilnao | mentor, if apt called an url it should be supported no ? |
| 03:14.14 | mentor | Pnux: No |
| 03:14.27 | mentor | Bilnao: It's not quite as simple as that |
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| 03:14.39 | Pnux | mentor: awe, thanks for the answer |
| 03:14.40 | mentor | Bilnao: Authentication is not passed as part of the URL |
| 03:14.52 | Bilnao | mentor, yes it's in the http header |
| 03:14.57 | simonrvn | i haven't ever set that up; it may, or may not. man page should say so. |
| 03:15.10 | mentor | Pnux: There is an email gateway, but you'd probably have to read the doc's for that too |
| 03:15.33 | mentor | Pnux: I though reportbug guided you interactively? |
| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | Pnux: reportbug takes less than a minute to set up. |
| 03:15.42 | Pnux | mentor: im ok with reading docs, the mans are the ones i find annoying |
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| 03:15.50 | Pnux | does it? |
| 03:15.57 | simonrvn | mentor: it does |
| 03:16.05 | mentor | :) |
| 03:16.07 | mentor | wanders off |
| 03:16.11 | Bilnao | mentor, thanks ! i'll ask to apt team or check source file |
| 03:16.14 | simonrvn | set you from, that;s all you need to do. |
| 03:16.21 | simonrvn | your* |
| 03:16.31 | simonrvn | that's - bleh |
| 03:16.33 | Pnux | oh, great.. thanks |
| 03:18.06 | schoppenhauer | hello. I am currently trying to create a debian-livecd with xdmcp-enabled gdm ... but I cannot find out how to configure the gdm started in this livesystem to accept xdmcp. I read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Configuration but actually, afaik, you have to add xdmcp to /etc/gdm/custom.conf I think, and I dont know how to do this with lh_build, how to add configuration-files ... |
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| 03:18.53 | schoppenhauer | actually, I dont even want gdm to start a local graphical user interface. |
| 03:20.13 | Pnux | Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem.; > Pidgin ; Pidgin is not a valid package name. |
| 03:20.16 | Pnux | :/ |
| 03:20.24 | simonrvn | no caps ... |
| 03:20.31 | Pnux | my bad, just realized.. lol |
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| 03:22.44 | simonrvn | schoppenhauer: i personally have no clue |
| 03:23.08 | schoppenhauer | simonrvn: thx. I think I found /something/ out. |
| 03:23.19 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 03:34.56 | hideo | what file system is suitable and won't negatively affect my ssd? |
| 03:35.42 | hideo | I've read that I could use ext2. I'm still unclear about ubifs support in Debian though. |
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| 03:36.42 | Pnux | i kinda screwed it up with the reportbug in the SMTP auth part, now its just trying to connect to the server.. is there a way i can just reconfigure that part instead of having to go through everything again? |
| 03:37.52 | simonrvn | edit the conf? ;) |
| 03:39.19 | Pnux | yeah, but how to send the same report? |
| 03:39.30 | Pnux | instead of having to fill it out again *sigh* |
| 03:40.37 | Pnux | reportbug --body-file=bugreport? |
| 03:40.59 | Pnux | bugreport is the file i saved it |
| 03:41.15 | simonrvn | look in /tmp |
| 03:41.28 | Pnux | i know where the file is |
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| 03:42.01 | Pnux | i just need to know how to send that report instead of filling a new one |
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| 03:42.46 | simonrvn | i don't recall ; try --help |
| 03:43.12 | Pnux | nice.. reportbug has the same bug im reporting for pidgin |
| 03:43.27 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 03:43.51 | simonrvn | why is it so quiet in here? |
| 03:43.57 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 03:44.08 | Pnux | thats weird.. sounds like its not a pidgin bug after all |
| 03:44.12 | Pnux | and its friday |
| 03:44.37 | simonrvn | gtk bug? |
| 03:44.44 | Pnux | aparenly |
| 03:44.50 | nsadmin | Pnux so you want to add to an existing bug report? |
| 03:45.05 | simonrvn | Pnux: the christians celebrating eater/getting drunk/whatevr |
| 03:45.10 | simonrvn | easter* |
| 03:45.11 | nsadmin | I'd say you could email 98234@bugs.debian.org |
| 03:45.35 | nsadmin | where you replace 98234 with the bug number |
| 03:45.42 | Pnux | nsadmin: no, i filled a bug report and messed the SMPT part so it didnt send.. i was trying to figure out how to send that report instead of having to fill the forms again |
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| 03:45.52 | Pnux | *SMPT config part |
| 03:45.59 | nsadmin | oh I see |
| 03:46.16 | nsadmin | so maybe it's in the queue |
| 03:47.11 | Pnux | Connecting to mail.google.com via SMTP... |
| 03:47.11 | Pnux | SMTP send failure: timed out |
| 03:47.11 | Pnux | Wrote bug report to /tmp/reportbug-pidgin-20100403-3458-3lli5R |
| 03:47.24 | nsadmin | is it there? |
| 03:47.46 | Pnux | probably, if it isnt, i made a copy.. so i have the report |
| 03:48.10 | nsadmin | oh, well... so you have a lot of choices... |
| 03:48.36 | Pnux | ill chose the ignore the report one.. and redo everything from the start |
| 03:49.03 | Pnux | just noticed that reportbug has the exact same bug as pidgin.. so it has to be gtk's bug |
| 03:49.24 | nsadmin | since you have the text, you can just email it |
| 03:51.33 | Pnux | to 98234@bugs.debian.org? |
| 03:51.49 | simonrvn | 23:45:35 nsadmin | where you replace 98234 with the bug number |
| 03:52.12 | Pnux | oh, didnt read that part, sorry |
| 03:52.28 | Pnux | so submit@bugs.debian.org? |
| 03:52.37 | KamusHadenes | jailer? |
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| 03:52.51 | nsadmin | right, there wasn't a report yet (so you checked?) |
| 03:52.56 | nsadmin | also, |
| 03:53.03 | Pnux | im checking now |
| 03:54.13 | nsadmin | what are you actually going to file against? since you pointed out two packages (pidgin? and reportbug) with a common lib (gtk?) have the exact problem, perhaps you could report against the common lib |
| 03:55.02 | simonrvn | i'd check gtk2.0-0 first. maybe it's already filed (i thought he checked that already; though i didn't ask ;) |
| 03:55.06 | Pnux | thats what im doing, i was filling a report for pidgin.. i checked the pidgin bugs and there was nothing about it, so i started filling the report.. |
| 03:55.19 | simonrvn | *nod* |
| 03:55.29 | Pnux | now that i see its a gtk bug, im checking for bugs in the gtk libs |
| 03:55.49 | nsadmin | it's great you noticed that btw |
| 03:56.04 | simonrvn | s/he's using his/her head ;) |
| 03:56.11 | Pnux | he |
| 03:56.34 | nsadmin | as long as it's not against the desk... |
| 03:56.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:57.13 | Pnux | but maybe im too sleepy for this |
| 03:57.44 | Pnux | i was checking the bug reports for libwxgtk2.8-0 instead of libgtk2.0-0 |
| 03:58.21 | simonrvn | woops =) |
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| 04:01.45 | Pnux | aff, just noticed i have to redo the reportbug part |
| 04:01.49 | Pnux | *sigh* |
| 04:02.53 | simonrvn | meh |
| 04:03.06 | nsadmin | is wxgtk in common to both? |
| 04:03.39 | simonrvn | i don't think so, i think pidgin is straight up c++ |
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| 04:04.44 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ aptitude why libwxgtk2.8-0 |
| 04:04.44 | Pnux | i audacity Depends libwxgtk2.8-0 (>= 2.8.10.1) |
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| 04:10.30 | solifugus | What version of debian do I need to get kde 4 ? |
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| 04:12.26 | Pnux | testing/unstable, but if you have to ask, i strongly suggest you to use testing |
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| 04:13.05 | Pnux | solifugus: ^ |
| 04:13.39 | solifugus | Pnux, where can I get a copy of testing? debian.org, selecting "small cd" gives me lenny.. |
| 04:15.08 | solifugus | I don't see "testing" anywhere on debian.org (yet) |
| 04:15.10 | Pnux | solifugus: you can get the weekly builds, but i dont recommend that either, the best way to upgrade, imo, is to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to read from testing/squeeze and then run aptitude update; aptitude distro-upgrade |
| 04:15.35 | solifugus | i c.. |
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| 04:15.43 | solifugus | so i have to start from lenny |
| 04:16.07 | Pnux | its gonna take a long of time and you will probably have a lot of issues.. i did that and had them |
| 04:16.50 | Pnux | or you could just wait a few months and get the next stable version which already comes with KDE4 |
| 04:16.52 | solifugus | hmm... ok.. I want to try. if it's too difficult then i'll just use kde 3.5... that seems to work exceptionally well |
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| 04:17.21 | Pnux | you cant degrade, so if it fails, you will have to reinstall (im 90% sure, not completly though) |
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| 04:19.10 | solifugus | I am just really tired of gnome.. I left kde when kde 4 came out and was so messed up.. but gnome has some really pathetic issues, too... like copy buffer being lost when you close the app copying from.. and like sorting files by date does alphanumeric sort of date presentation, instead.. |
| 04:19.38 | solifugus | and gnome doesn't have network transpearancy in everything, etc... lacking huge number of kde 3.5 features.. |
| 04:20.24 | solifugus | I've used gnome for a while now.. it's just something that works (mostly) but is not that great. |
| 04:20.54 | Pnux | im a KDE follower, so yeah, i recommend KDE.. but really its up to you |
| 04:21.53 | solifugus | kde all the way.. it's just there are a lot of kde refugees since 4 came out.. waiting for 4 to get better.. |
| 04:22.21 | solifugus | mainly for me, it's making wireless work... |
| 04:23.08 | Pnux | have you tried with kde3? |
| 04:23.52 | solifugus | yes... been using kde since 1.x series.. redhat 5.2... used slackware before that with fvwm.. kde has always been great until 4 came out.. |
| 04:24.13 | solifugus | i know a lot of kde'ers are just waiting for 4 to get fixed.. |
| 04:24.22 | solifugus | like me |
| 04:24.59 | Pnux | ive been using KDE4 since it came out basically, and i havent had much issues with it |
| 04:25.29 | solifugus | Does the knetwork manager thingy work for you, getting into open wireless networks? Doesn't work for any, for me. |
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| 04:25.52 | Pnux | it does |
| 04:26.55 | solifugus | Pnux, debian lenny just seems to connect on boot.. maybe debian upgrading to kde 4 will therefore work for me. |
| 04:27.03 | lv_ | hi any1 know where to get a free pgp key for gnuGPG ? |
| 04:27.39 | Pnux | i did have some issues connecting to a wireless network, but im guessing that was because the AP was too far away from my pc, and the drivers for the wifi antenna werent that great |
| 04:28.29 | Pnux | lv_: have you tried reading the manual entry for gpg? |
| 04:28.51 | wols | lv_: what makes you think they cost anything? |
| 04:29.11 | lv_ | pnux wols, thanks guys |
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| 04:30.01 | Pnux | solifugus: i would have no idea how to figure that out without trying and seeing |
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| 04:33.34 | Rapsodius | I installed a deb, and then removed the package file, can I regenerate the package (is still installed btw) |
| 04:34.56 | wolfric | is there a character (as apposed to line) version of tail and head? |
| 04:35.27 | Rapsodius | wolfric, there is dd |
| 04:35.33 | rww | wolfric: there's a -c option to head and tail that outputs in bytes instead of lines |
| 04:35.41 | Rapsodius | however iam a bit noob with scripting |
| 04:35.46 | rww | s/outputs/counts/ |
| 04:36.22 | Pnux | Rapsodius: check the manual entry for dpkg-deb, specially the -b option, im not sure if thats what you want but its worth exploring |
| 04:36.45 | wolfric | rww: is that with all versions? odd http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uhead.htm doesn't say it here |
| 04:37.11 | Pnux | wolfric: what you do mean with tail and head? |
| 04:37.22 | wolfric | got it -c works great |
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| 04:37.48 | Rapsodius | Pnux: I'm checking it asap |
| 04:37.50 | wolfric | pnux: in terms of? |
| 04:39.02 | Pnux | wolfric: nevermind, i dont really understand the question, but if you got the answer, i dont really have to know what you meant |
| 04:39.49 | wolfric | pnux: head and tail are commands that cut the content of an input by so many lines. head takes the first n and tail the last n. i wanted to take the last/first n characters instead of lines |
| 04:39.50 | Rapsodius | Pnux: nope, it seems to be made for building packages from scratch (ie the debianized sources) |
| 04:40.48 | Rapsodius | what I meant to do is, from an already installed package in my system, get the deb out of it. |
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| 04:41.40 | Rapsodius | so I am still lost in that aspect |
| 04:41.41 | cast | wolfric: so how'd you do it? |
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| 04:42.36 | wolfric | cast: head -c number_of_characters |
| 04:42.48 | wolfric | it looks like the online manual didn't document the -c option |
| 04:43.14 | wols | wolfric: the manpage for both, head and tail do |
| 04:43.20 | wols | it's the first option explained with both |
| 04:43.55 | wolfric | wols: apologies i was using this site http://www.computerhope.com/unix |
| 04:43.57 | rww | There are various versions of the standard *nix utilities. The manpages of the system you're using tend to be much more accurate than the WWW. |
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| 04:44.07 | cast | generally just run man on localhost :) |
| 04:44.23 | wols | Rapsodius: you probably can. I don't know of a program to do it but a .deb is simply an archive of the files and some config scripts for debconf which are in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 04:44.28 | wolfric | true i generally find a web page much easier to read though but point taken |
| 04:44.34 | cast | there's a lot of variance in unix utils |
| 04:44.51 | wols | rww: anything you have installed, you have a manpage for. if not: file a bug against it |
| 04:44.58 | wols | sorry. was for wolfric |
| 04:45.06 | cast | learnt the scary way that solaris tar doesn't default to stdout |
| 04:45.17 | Pnux | wolfric: i suggest you to try to understand the man pages, its gonna be really useful if you have no internet access |
| 04:45.47 | wolfric | gets scared....n.n.no internet?? |
| 04:46.02 | wolfric | :) will do |
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| 04:48.22 | Rapsodius | wols: thanks, but now, for the package I want, there's only a .list file, not a .conffiles one, so where are the debconf files? are they generic? |
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| 04:50.56 | wols | Rapsodius: usually not. is there no ".postinst" file? |
| 04:51.07 | Pnux | Rapsodius: may i ask why dont you just redownload the package? |
| 04:51.08 | wols | maybe the package only extracts files, nothing else? |
| 04:51.22 | Rapsodius | no .postinst |
| 04:51.35 | Rapsodius | and redownload is not an option, the server is down |
| 04:51.55 | Pnux | i see |
| 04:52.46 | Rapsodius | wols' idea is what i wanted, but there's a lot of files to copy so a script would be useful |
| 04:53.11 | Rapsodius | i need a command to know the number of lines and another to get line by line |
| 04:53.29 | wols | lines of what? |
| 04:53.53 | Rapsodius | nevermind wc tells the linecount of <packagename>.list |
| 04:53.56 | wols | what package is it you need? name? version? link you got it frm? |
| 04:54.06 | wols | Rapsodius: man wc. wc -l |
| 04:54.09 | Rapsodius | xmms from pvv.ntnu.no |
| 04:54.16 | wols | cat <filename> |wc -l |
| 04:54.23 | cryptic_ | hey, when building bind 9, i get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/e4E3Rzq8 . it looks like -ldb4.2 is the problem on line 1, because libdb-dev is in build-depends, and that relies on libdb4.x-dev where x isn't 2 |
| 04:54.29 | wols | now gets the uuoca of the day |
| 04:54.59 | wols | ,versions libdb4.2 |
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| 04:55.01 | judd | libdb4.2 -- etch: 4.2.52+dfsg-2; lenny: 4.2.52+dfsg-5 |
| 04:55.08 | wols | ,versions libdb4.2-dev |
| 04:55.10 | judd | libdb4.2-dev -- etch: 4.2.52+dfsg-2; lenny: 4.2.52+dfsg-5 |
| 04:55.28 | cryptic_ | hm, guess i was wrong |
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| 04:56.30 | nwoaik | In gnome, how to set desktop prefs such that icons only appear in the bottom menu bar and not on the main area. |
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| 04:57.02 | cryptic_ | does anyone know what could be causing those errors, then? |
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| 04:57.33 | Pnux | cryptic_: i would try in ##gnome, perhaps you will have more luck there |
| 04:57.52 | cryptic_ | why ##gnome? it's a bind9 issue |
| 04:58.08 | Pnux | cryptic_: wrong person, sorry |
| 04:58.11 | cryptic_ | np |
| 04:58.16 | Pnux | nwoaik: : i would try in ##gnome, perhaps you will have more luck there |
| 04:59.07 | Rapsodius | and then how to read an specific line |
| 04:59.37 | wols | cryptic_: usually it means there is no such shared library to link against. run strings against your berkeley db .so files and check if the functions it moans about are there |
| 04:59.51 | wols | Rapsodius: xargs |
| 05:00.02 | Pnux | off to bed, night |
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| 05:00.21 | Rapsodius | oh thx, this of irc is great |
| 05:00.24 | cryptic_ | alright wols, I'll give that a shot, thank you |
| 05:01.33 | breedx | In unstable, recent dist-upgrade broke my synaptics driver options to x11. I was specifying them thru hal (via /etc/hal/fdi/policy/synaptics.fdi) -- is that deprecated? |
| 05:02.41 | cryptic_ | besides running strings against bdb .so files, there's nothing more specific i could try to do to isolate the error? |
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| 05:02.49 | wols | !hal |
| 05:02.49 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval |
| 05:03.17 | breedx | wols: thanks |
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| 05:04.32 | wols | cryptic_: /usr/lib/libdb-4.2.so |
| 05:04.35 | wols | that file exists? |
| 05:05.00 | nwoaik | Running kernel-2.6.32. I am getting intermittent DRM error during boot, resulting in a blank screen. Any help? |
| 05:05.28 | wols | !tell nwoaik about errors |
| 05:05.28 | cryptic_ | yeah wols |
| 05:05.53 | cryptic_ | wols: however, libdb-4.6.so and libdb-4.so also exist |
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| 05:07.18 | nwoaik | wols: if you have it, you will know it. otherwise, no matter how much info i provide, you will still be lost. |
| 05:07.20 | wols | run strace and check if your gcc run tries to actually open your libdb-4.2.so maybe? |
| 05:07.25 | wols | or if it doesn't what it does try |
| 05:07.47 | wols | nwoaik: you are very mistaken on how to get help on irc. suit yourself, good day |
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| 05:08.47 | nwoaik | i have been in irc longer than you can imagine. i have experienced many different type of respones, one of which is your kind. |
| 05:09.12 | cast | "your kind", oh dear |
| 05:09.26 | wols | cast: it's saturday. what do you expect? |
| 05:10.02 | hideo | nwoaik: haha enjoy getting your non-help then |
| 05:10.06 | tharkun | On Postfix Why if on main.cf "mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 " when i do postconf -d| grep "mynetworks =" i get mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 xxx.xxx.xxx.0/24 ? |
| 05:10.17 | nwoaik | its a matter of luck. if i happen to join in when someone has had the same problem as me, i will be chatting away on the problem actual. otherwise, i will get shitty comment like yours. |
| 05:11.10 | tharkun | Disregard the previos question please, and go on with your stupid rant |
| 05:11.29 | nwoaik | no worry, there are many more venues with better qualified participants than those nitwits found here. |
| 05:12.06 | wols | tharkun: default vs actual settings :) |
| 05:12.07 | cast | to quote /., you must be new around here ;) |
| 05:12.12 | nwoaik | what i notice is that the quality of the participants in the chat is going down and down. |
| 05:12.17 | tharkun | wols: yep i got that |
| 05:12.28 | tharkun | i just missed the little prick |
| 05:12.32 | wols | nwoaik: do you have a debian related question? please state it and cease the OT rant. thank you |
| 05:13.08 | nwoaik | i have asked but you don't have it to give me the answer. |
| 05:13.18 | tharkun | nwoaik: take a deep breath and look into the mirror then get your but somewhere where you can help more that beeing here ;P |
| 05:13.54 | hideo | ignore the guy, he's on his period or something, getting his panties in a bunch just because someone ask what the errors he experienced were. |
| 05:14.00 | tharkun | !beer hideo |
| 05:14.00 | dpkg | pours a litre of Delirium Tremens for hideo |
| 05:14.15 | hideo | gracias |
| 05:14.22 | tharkun | no hay de que |
| 05:15.37 | nwoaik | you guys are lousy. don't know your stuff. go somewhere else. leave this chat to the professionals. |
| 05:16.09 | nwoaik | you guys only know 'stable' stuff? |
| 05:16.22 | wols | !ops please make nwoaik stop trolling |
| 05:16.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: please make nwoaik stop trolling |
| 05:16.39 | nwoaik | hey |
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| 05:18.52 | nwoaik | no wonder more and more debian users are crossing over to ubuntu. |
| 05:19.33 | bkjoe | is that the best that you can come up with? |
| 05:19.42 | cryptic_ | wols: strange, after running strace, the only instance of libdb or ldb ocurring in the output file is "read(11, "l, libdbix-dbschema-perl (>> 0.33"..., 101885) = 101885" |
| 05:19.47 | nwoaik | no, it can be worse. |
| 05:19.53 | bkjoe | please. |
| 05:20.02 | nwoaik | pleae yourself. |
| 05:20.06 | nwoaik | pleae |
| 05:20.09 | nwoaik | please |
| 05:20.17 | hideo | don't feed the troll |
| 05:20.23 | bkjoe | put down the bottle, and step away from the keyboard. |
| 05:20.46 | nwoaik | stop inhaling. |
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| 05:21.46 | tharkun | Sorry to bug, i am not familiar with ipv6 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 represents local lo right? |
| 05:21.56 | olorin_ | Another guy expecting you to read into the crystal ball and hand him the answer? |
| 05:23.12 | wols | tharkun: yes |
| 05:23.39 | tharkun | wols: two out of two, go buy yourself a lotery ticket :) |
| 05:23.43 | tharkun | thx |
| 05:23.53 | wols | I wish |
| 05:24.12 | wols | cryptic_: no clue, sorry :( |
| 05:24.19 | cryptic_ | bah, thanks anyway |
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| 05:27.02 | UserReg_CL | hi... please helpme with smbclient |
| 05:27.07 | breedx | so if hal is buh-bye and udev rules are currently handling xorg input configs, and the synaptics defaults are in /lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules, is it a bad customization to edit that file directly? what's the debian approach to customizing that? |
| 05:27.08 | UserReg_CL | say "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" |
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| 05:31.18 | wols | UserReg_CL: connect via IP then |
| 05:31.24 | wols | breedx: I would edit the file |
| 05:31.58 | breedx | wols: I'm trying to figure out if /etc/udev/rules.d/ trumps or is only for startup or ? |
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| 05:32.22 | webPragmatist | hrm |
| 05:32.22 | tharkun | UserReg_CL: Stupid advice, check the network name for special character or do as wols said |
| 05:32.26 | breedx | wols: wouldn't the former get stomped on by an upgrade? |
| 05:32.39 | webPragmatist | i have a debian install where php works in apache but not in the cli |
| 05:32.42 | webPragmatist | how can i solve this |
| 05:33.05 | UserReg_CL | wols: please need more info, thank |
| 05:33.08 | webPragmatist | where is the binary supposed to be? |
| 05:33.16 | breedx | webPragmatist: apt-get install php5-cli |
| 05:33.22 | webPragmatist | oh |
| 05:33.23 | webPragmatist | thanks |
| 05:33.34 | wols | UserReg_CL: what is your smbclient commandline? |
| 05:33.43 | wols | webPragmatist: install php5-cli |
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| 05:34.09 | wols | breedx: dpkg asks you before overwriting user configs |
| 05:34.36 | UserReg_CL | smbclient //192.168.2.3/BACKUP$/SAC -I 192.168.2.3 -U siac%siac |
| 05:34.41 | breedx | wols: I know, but then I'm faced with that every time. What's the contract between /lib/udev/rules.d/ and /etc/udev/rules.d ? which one wins? |
| 05:34.47 | wols | breedx: if you want you can create your own synaptics config file |
| 05:35.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:35.32 | wols | breedx: /udev.d is a run-parts managed directory. you can create your own 99myconfig file there which is executed last for example |
| 05:36.00 | breedx | wols: right, I'm way more comfortable using /etc if I can get it to work. thanks for the tips. |
| 05:36.01 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.36 | wols | UserReg_CL: you already use IPs to connect. my bad |
| 05:36.53 | UserReg_CL | ¿? |
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| 05:37.45 | breedx | wols: cool, looks like the /etc/udev.d/ rule customization worked. |
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| 05:42.08 | iateadonut | i have a VPS and should install a firewall and want to open up a port for ssh and a port for openvpn - which package should i install and read the manual? |
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| 05:43.36 | wols | iateadonut: what do you need a firewall for? |
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| 05:44.23 | iateadonut | if i'm ssh'ing into a debian VPS, shouldn't i have a firewall? |
| 05:44.30 | cast | nope. |
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| 05:44.34 | iateadonut | i'm also planning on installing openvpn on both. |
| 05:44.44 | wols | only ports YOU actually open are open to the public |
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| 05:44.59 | wols | if you don't like dozens of morons trying to access your ssh, use fail2ban or similar |
| 05:45.23 | iateadonut | so, if i've configured ssh to run on, say, 8044, there's really no problem? |
| 05:45.33 | iateadonut | (googling fail2ban now) |
| 05:45.49 | wols | a firewall cannot protect the host the packetfilter runs on. not possible |
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| 05:46.11 | cast | i like to disable passwds and use just keys, i know i won't pick a stupid passwd but other users may |
| 05:46.11 | wols | you just open whatever ports you want/need and then securing the daemons listening is the only thing you can do |
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| 05:49.38 | cryptic_ | i'm still trying to sort out this bind issue--i eventually got it to build (i'm reinstalling, because things got messed up somehow), and now when i run named, there appears to be a configuration file error. when i ping mydomain.com, it responds with localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1), despite entries in named.conf.local and a zone file |
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| 05:50.04 | cryptic_ | why won't my nameserver respond to external queries? |
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| 05:52.26 | webPragmatist | any of you use apostrophe |
| 05:53.05 | webPragmatist | woops |
| 05:53.09 | webPragmatist | wrong chan |
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| 05:54.10 | iateadonut | and ports are only open if a program opens them... i don't have to do anything else, right? |
| 05:54.23 | iateadonut | if i've just got ssh running on the server and nothing else, then only that port will be open? |
| 05:54.49 | rww | iateadonut: correct |
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| 05:55.46 | iateadonut | i've also installed fail2ban - that adds a little more security, but the way you talked about it, that's not much of a threat? |
| 05:56.21 | iateadonut | (my password is numbers and letters; it would take a very very long time to randomly figure them out) |
| 05:56.35 | ranix | depends what |
| 05:56.39 | ranix | ahem |
| 05:56.45 | ranix | depends what's on your box |
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| 05:57.29 | ranix | fail2ban will prevent people from spamming you with failed password attempts |
| 05:57.42 | ranix | whether or not that's something you care to prevent is entirely up to you |
| 05:59.47 | iateadonut | fail2ban's default config seems pretty adequate - do you change it on yours? |
| 06:00.22 | ranix | I don't even use it |
| 06:00.29 | ranix | I run ssh on a random port |
| 06:00.39 | ranix | mostly because I'm not the administrator of my network |
| 06:00.55 | iateadonut | also, do you have any other advice about security on a box that's running ssh, and maybe AMP? |
| 06:01.08 | iateadonut | (besides updating the system by cron every 24 hours) |
| 06:01.24 | ranix | you can configure iptables rules to make a firewall if you're really paranoid |
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| 06:01.45 | ranix | or otherwise place your system behind a firewall |
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| 06:02.02 | iateadonut | so debian is just pretty secure if you update it regularly? |
| 06:02.20 | iateadonut | is once a day enough? |
| 06:02.32 | ranix | give me an example of something that is insecure |
| 06:03.00 | tharkun | users :) |
| 06:03.51 | ranix | tharkun: you will not improve the security of your users by performing regular updates ;) |
| 06:04.01 | ranix | unless, it's updating your users |
| 06:04.05 | ranix | I'd like to see that! |
| 06:04.07 | ranix | hahaha |
| 06:04.15 | rww | how to make your system secure: apt-get purge users |
| 06:04.19 | tharkun | ranix: i'm working on it |
| 06:04.27 | ranix | let me know how it works out |
| 06:04.38 | tharkun | You'll be the first |
| 06:04.47 | ranix | will be purged |
| 06:04.51 | jsaasch | ggggg |
| 06:04.55 | iateadonut | i don't know - if i'm using ssh to connect to an outside server from within a government firewall, there's no way they can see what information is going over that line? |
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| 06:05.07 | ranix | wouldn't say no way |
| 06:05.18 | iateadonut | well, it's not like I'm CIA or anything. |
| 06:05.30 | iateadonut | i'm not an important target. |
| 06:05.35 | ranix | the encryption is socket or transport layer |
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| 06:05.53 | ranix | so anything before or after that layer is still breakable |
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| 06:06.09 | ranix | so, the machine you start on or are piping to could be compromised |
| 06:06.19 | ranix | someone could keylog you or videotape you |
| 06:06.30 | ranix | security is understanding where the security risks are |
| 06:06.41 | iateadonut | what about from the server to the outside? |
| 06:07.29 | ranix | if you're worried that someone is going to use sensitive sensors to sniff your ground and thereby see the fluctuations caused by your PS2 signals sent by your keyboard |
| 06:07.32 | ranix | then guard against that |
| 06:07.36 | ranix | also get a tinfoil hat |
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| 06:08.12 | ranix | if you're worried about your child pronography, just move to a country that allows it |
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| 06:08.31 | ranix | if you're worried about your boss catching you surfing myspace, just use an ssh tunnel and call it a day |
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| 06:11.15 | drwahl | after installing "kde-full" (on a fresh sid install) i can't seem to use edj files as wallpapers. the KDE guys said it is likely the way that kde is packaged. any ideas as to how to enable edj, and why it isn't enabled in debian? |
| 06:11.26 | tharkun | iateadonut: If you are worried about geting cought because of doing, it, rest assured you will get cought. The chances of deciphering one transimission are small. But that by no means is the weakest point on the transmission chain |
| 06:11.42 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 06:11.42 | dpkg | i guess pieces is ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 06:13.24 | webPragmatist | breedx: hey I know this is more an apache qĂ¢Â€Â¦ in debian how can I set AllowOverride All for my vhosts |
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| 06:21.04 | breedx | webPragmatist: I'm no expert, but you should be able to add an AllowOverride entry in each of their config files. If you're looking for a single config that crosses *all* vhosts, then I dunno. |
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| 06:21.35 | webPragmatist | breedx: I bet you can set the <Directory> directive for /var/www |
| 06:21.46 | webPragmatist | otherwise you set it on a per vhost basis |
| 06:23.59 | breedx | webPragmatist: that sounds reasonable...but again, I'm not expert. :) |
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| 06:28.38 | iateadonut | why doesn't my box have this file: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 06:29.45 | webPragmatist | is there something special i need to do to get lucene working too |
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| 06:30.54 | qasket | hello, i took my sata hd out of one machine and put it another machine with no other hd's, when i boot i get waiting for root device UUID=<number> to appear timeout1min, and the kernel panic, could anyone point me in the right direction? i've already checked the uuid with vol_id in fstab and menu.lst, it matches |
| 06:34.32 | cahoot | try /dev/sdaX ? |
| 06:35.26 | qasket | tried that, changed it all in fstab and menu.lst to sda5 where / is, still the same |
| 06:36.45 | iateadonut | modprobe cannot find a file it needs... what should i have installed? |
| 06:37.03 | iateadonut | (the modules.dep file is missing) |
| 06:37.15 | drwahl | after installing "kde-full" (on a fresh sid install) i can't seem to use edj files as wallpapers. the KDE guys said it is likely the way that kde is packaged. any ideas as to how to enable edj, and why it isn't enabled in debian? |
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| 06:41.05 | iateadonut | - /lib/modules is completely empty |
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| 06:41.54 | iateadonut | what is the command to find out which package installs the file "modules.dep"? |
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| 06:45.38 | breedx | iateadonut: apt-file search modules.dep |
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| 06:47.14 | simonrvn | drwahl: aren't edj files for enlightenment anyway? |
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| 07:01.36 | drwahl | simonrvn: yes, but kde is able to use them |
| 07:01.57 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 07:02.22 | simonrvn | try #debian-kde (they could be on oftc, or here) |
| 07:02.26 | simonrvn | !debian-kde |
| 07:02.26 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 07:02.33 | simonrvn | oftc |
| 07:02.34 | drwahl | simonrvn: awesome. thanks |
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| 07:14.19 | didek | Hi. Debian netinst i386 doesnt work with Virtual PC, its kernel panic in boot install kernel. |
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| 07:15.30 | plingplong | hi |
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| 07:15.55 | plingplong | i have a problem... im using ispconfig... one of the partitions is running full... how do i remove files ? |
| 07:16.28 | wols | plingplong: man rm |
| 07:16.52 | wols | didek: why do you insist on VPC? can't you use virtualbox? |
| 07:16.53 | plingplong | have read it and didnt become wiser |
| 07:17.19 | wols | plingplong: rm <filename>. *poof* file is deleted |
| 07:17.30 | plingplong | i know that but that doesnt solve problem.... |
| 07:17.34 | plingplong | look here pls : |
| 07:17.37 | iateadonut | FATAL: Module tun not found. |
| 07:17.37 | iateadonut | Would this mean that the current kernel does not have the tun module? |
| 07:17.38 | plingplong | ... /dev/sda1ext3244M174M57M76%/ |
| 07:17.46 | valdyn | iateadonut: yes |
| 07:17.50 | plingplong | hmm ill try again one moment |
| 07:17.54 | wols | iateadonut: or that you didn't run depmod -a |
| 07:18.13 | didek | wols: Im already downloading vb, so i try to use it, thanks. |
| 07:18.17 | plingplong | ... /dev/sda1 ext3 244M 174M 57M 76% / |
| 07:18.32 | didek | But why VPC is so poor? |
| 07:18.43 | wols | didek: ask the maker of VPC (*hint*) |
| 07:18.49 | plingplong | wols : as you can see id /dev/sda1 nearly running full... how do i nvigate to /dev/sda1 |
| 07:19.04 | iateadonut | so now what do i do? |
| 07:19.07 | wols | plingplong: open a terminal, enter "cd /" and you are there |
| 07:19.13 | valdyn | iateadonut: you use a debian kernel |
| 07:19.16 | wols | iateadonut: uname -r |
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| 07:19.29 | wols | plingplong: /dev/sda1 is mounted at / and is your root partition |
| 07:19.33 | iateadonut | 2.6.18-ovz028stab053.5-smp |
| 07:19.50 | valdyn | iateadonut: complain to your hoster |
| 07:19.51 | wols | iateadonut: this is not a debian kernel and is awfully outdated. are you running etch? |
| 07:20.11 | wols | iateadonut: it also will ahve tons of security holes by now. complain to your hoster, LOUDLY |
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| 07:20.26 | valdyn | iateadonut: this is probably a red hat kernel anyway |
| 07:20.41 | plingplong | wols : root is empty except some directoryes.... |
| 07:20.49 | iateadonut | it's a vps - isn't there a way to install a new kernel? |
| 07:20.56 | valdyn | iateadonut: no |
| 07:20.57 | wols | plingplong: obviously |
| 07:20.59 | plingplong | is it possible to navigate to /dev/sda1 and avoiding / |
| 07:21.06 | wols | iateadonut: there is not. your hoster MUST do it |
| 07:21.11 | plingplong | and do some cleanup there ? |
| 07:21.11 | valdyn | iateadonut: talk to your hoster |
| 07:21.32 | wols | plingplong: /dev/sda1 is /. All files on /dev/sda1 are only accessible via / |
| 07:21.40 | iateadonut | i don't understand why my hoster would have to do it. |
| 07:21.43 | wols | plingplong: uname -r |
| 07:21.57 | plingplong | wols ... what does that give u ? |
| 07:21.59 | wols | iateadonut: cause it's a VPS and you don't really have any power over your VPS. root there is a lie |
| 07:22.09 | wols | plingplong: what does that give YOU? |
| 07:22.11 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 07:22.22 | valdyn | iateadonut: in all likelyness you are not running a fully virtualised linux that includes a kernel |
| 07:22.35 | iateadonut | this one's outdated too? 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5xen |
| 07:22.48 | valdyn | iateadonut: its not "outdated" per se, its just a red hat kernel |
| 07:22.48 | wols | iateadonut: yes. what debian version are you running? |
| 07:23.05 | wols | valdyn: are they still supporting that old kernel version? |
| 07:23.11 | valdyn | wols: yes, sure |
| 07:23.31 | valdyn | wols: including driver backports etc |
| 07:24.12 | valdyn | iateadonut: in a paravirtualised system you dont get your own kernel, you "see" the hosts kernel |
| 07:24.21 | plingplong | wols : 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 07:25.02 | wols | !newbiedoc |
| 07:25.02 | dpkg | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 07:26.13 | plingplong | wols ? |
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| 07:26.31 | iateadonut | 5.0.4 |
| 07:26.36 | valdyn | plingplong: reinstall, make reasonable partition with reasonable sizes |
| 07:26.44 | wols | plingplong: I answered all your question. givint a tutorial how to use the commandline is not in the scope of this channel |
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| 07:28.41 | plingplong | wols : you dont reinstall a running installation.... |
| 07:29.39 | iateadonut | when you use sudo, your'e using your own user, so a command would be executed from the pwd? |
| 07:29.47 | plingplong | wols : is it possible to resize two partions and take space from one and give it to anoher with out loss of data |
| 07:30.03 | wols | yes. with gparted or parted |
| 07:30.03 | valdyn | iateadonut: yes |
| 07:30.26 | wols | iateadonut: neither sudo and su mangle the cwd |
| 07:30.32 | plingplong | wols.. : know them but are concerned of doing it on a running server in prod environment... |
| 07:30.38 | valdyn | plingplong: thats not faster and less downtime than a reinstall |
| 07:30.46 | plingplong | wols : can it be done without restart of server ? no ? |
| 07:31.00 | wols | plingplong: you don't have a production environment. not with ispconfig, a 250MB / and without any clue how to admin a server, not even knowing how to rm |
| 07:31.14 | plingplong | wols : yes i do |
| 07:31.27 | wols | plingplong: my suspicion is you are trolling. have a nice day |
| 07:31.36 | plingplong | eh ? |
| 07:31.58 | valdyn | plingplong: you cannot fix your / without downtime |
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| 07:32.32 | plingplong | valdyn : how long time ? |
| 07:32.36 | plingplong | need a restart ? |
| 07:32.42 | valdyn | plingplong: yes |
| 07:33.00 | plingplong | ok i can survive a restart.... |
| 07:33.06 | valdyn | plingplong: the restart is the least of your problems |
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| 07:33.15 | plingplong | what else ? |
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| 07:33.44 | valdyn | plingplong: the hour(s) needed to resize your partitions |
| 07:33.53 | plingplong | how long time ? |
| 07:34.10 | valdyn | hours if you dont fuck it up |
| 07:34.23 | plingplong | hmm... damn |
| 07:34.48 | plingplong | how come there is used space in / when / is empty |
| 07:35.02 | valdyn | plingplong: its obviously not empty |
| 07:35.05 | plingplong | i mean there is only libraries |
| 07:35.17 | plingplong | valdyn is it posible to find out what is taking space ? |
| 07:35.22 | wols | sits back and enjoys the popcorn |
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| 07:36.34 | valdyn | plingplong: man du |
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| 07:38.00 | iateadonut | can anyone recommend a good/cheap VPS service? |
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| 07:38.56 | xuser | rackspacecloud |
| 07:39.25 | wols | iateadonut: #webhosting or similar |
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| 07:41.30 | iateadonut | used my other VPS and got openVPN connected. |
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| 07:41.50 | plingplong | valdyhn : help need a doctor... dumped du >... but cant find anything about / alone in it |
| 07:41.51 | iateadonut | don't know what to do with it now, but have a nice: Initialization Sequence Completed |
| 07:42.04 | iateadonut | thanks for y'all's help. |
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| 07:42.27 | valdyn | plingplong: the -x switch is explained in the manpage |
| 07:43.18 | plingplong | valdyn : what parameter to exclude them ? |
| 07:43.27 | plingplong | -x *.* / ? |
| 07:43.52 | valdyn | plingplong: i have plenty files without a dot in them, do you? |
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| 07:44.28 | iateadonut | anyone know anything about openVPN? now that i've got these two machines connected, how do i route my traffic? also, could a windows user connect to openVPN on the debian box? |
| 07:45.04 | wols | iateadonut: yes windows openvpn cann connect and openvpn should have set the routes accordingly |
| 07:45.04 | plingplong | valdyn : can we come to the point |
| 07:47.19 | valdyn | plingplong: cd /; du -sx * | sort -n |
| 07:49.36 | plingplong | valdyn... : du: cannot access ... |
| 07:49.50 | valdyn | plingplong: as root |
| 07:49.56 | plingplong | yes |
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| 07:50.40 | plingplong | du: cannot access `proc/30781/task/30781/fd/4': No such file or directory |
| 07:50.45 | plingplong | 4 of those |
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| 07:51.39 | valdyn | plingplong: you have to pick the directories in / manually |
| 07:51.48 | valdyn | plingplong: cant you the * wildcard |
| 07:51.54 | valdyn | plingplong: cant *use* the * wildcard |
| 07:51.55 | iateadonut | don't know - doesn't seem like this is going over openVPN right now |
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| 07:52.16 | valdyn | iateadonut: use mtr or traceroute |
| 07:52.17 | plingplong | manualle after the last one ? |
| 07:52.35 | valdyn | plingplong: instead of the * |
| 07:52.51 | plingplong | yt |
| 07:52.54 | plingplong | thanks |
| 07:53.00 | plingplong | take several minutes |
| 07:53.14 | valdyn | plingplong: it cant take several minutes in your tiny / |
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| 07:53.50 | wols | valdyn: he didn't say what other partitions are there... |
| 07:54.02 | plingplong | it does |
| 07:54.20 | plingplong | last file... 3.2 Mbytes before your cmd line |
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| 07:54.35 | valdyn | plingplong: if it does then you specified a mountpoint that is not on sda1 |
| 07:54.36 | plingplong | 60 Gb os customer hosted homepages |
| 07:54.52 | valdyn | plingplong: you dont care about those right now... |
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| 07:55.36 | plingplong | hmmm... datacenter did the initial setup of server... not me |
| 07:55.50 | plingplong | they fucked it up several times before they got it up and running |
| 07:55.51 | valdyn | plingplong: youre objective is to find what is taking space on sda1 |
| 07:55.57 | plingplong | yes |
| 07:56.02 | silidan | whats going on with debian sid atm? i havent seen any updates for some time now... |
| 07:56.06 | valdyn | plingplong: now youre telling me what space is used *outside* sda1 |
| 07:56.10 | wols | silidan: topic |
| 07:56.19 | plingplong | sory |
| 07:56.19 | silidan | o |
| 07:56.21 | silidan | :) |
| 07:56.21 | plingplong | sorry |
| 07:56.22 | valdyn | plingplong: neither me nor your care about stuff *outside* sda1 right now |
| 07:56.25 | silidan | thanks |
| 07:56.28 | plingplong | yes |
| 07:56.31 | plingplong | correct |
| 07:57.14 | plingplong | valdyn : cd /; du -sx * | sort -n .... is still running |
| 07:58.28 | valdyn | plingplong: you need to insert directories that are *on* sda1 instead of the * |
| 07:59.20 | plingplong | valdyn : 172033/ |
| 08:00.09 | plingplong | no such directory on disk |
| 08:00.14 | plingplong | strange |
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| 08:01.15 | valdyn | plingplong: this is hopeless if I dont spoonfeed you the precise commands, is it? |
| 08:01.18 | jarick | wols: Entertain me? |
| 08:01.34 | valdyn | plingplong: du -sx /lib /sbin /tmp |
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| 08:02.23 | plingplong | 105602 /lib |
| 08:02.23 | plingplong | 3566 /sbin |
| 08:02.23 | plingplong | 195 /tmp |
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| 08:04.11 | aburch | plingplong: If you offer hosting services you should really either learn something about the systems you administrate or hire somebody to do so for you... |
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| 08:04.49 | plingplong | aburch : I have 5-6 times a year people on it... but trying to learn something myself also |
| 08:05.03 | plingplong | aburch : getting independent... but not so successful |
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| 08:07.41 | wols | a live webserver with customer data is the wrong place to learn |
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| 08:13.50 | lxsameer | is the an way to tune my CPU for higher performance ? |
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| 08:20.49 | jarick | "Tune"? |
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| 08:22.59 | pfui | how do I load firmware without rebooting? |
| 08:23.35 | pfui | I understand that one could drop firmware in /lib/firmware and udevd would take care of it while booting up, but I don't want to reboot. |
| 08:23.48 | cahoot | fw for what? |
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| 08:23.59 | pfui | speedtouch usb modem |
| 08:24.09 | cahoot | unload/reload the module |
| 08:24.16 | babilen | pfui: You could probably just reload the module (modprobe -r MOD && modprobe MOD) |
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| 08:24.38 | pfui | that simple? |
| 08:24.39 | pfui | thanks |
| 08:25.00 | babilen | pfui: Check "dmesg | tail -n 10" after you've done this - it should mention the firmware |
| 08:25.13 | babilen | (not sure about all modules, but most do) |
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| 08:25.52 | pfui | it worked :D |
| 08:25.55 | pfui | thanks again |
| 08:25.59 | babilen | np |
| 08:26.19 | lxsameer | jarick: yeah my cpu did not work fine , when i run a heavy process its usage is about 3% and my box is slow ? |
| 08:26.38 | cahoot | iotop? |
| 08:26.41 | jarick | lxsameer: Then clearly the process is not CPU bound. |
| 08:26.59 | iateadonut | am i still here? |
| 08:27.31 | babilen | iateadonut: yes, this is real life |
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| 08:27.35 | lxsameer | jarick: can you explain me a little more i don't understand |
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| 08:27.53 | jarick | lxsameer: What process, and see what cahoot said. |
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| 08:29.22 | lxsameer | jarick: each heavy process i load my CPU act similar |
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| 08:30.20 | jarick | lxsameer: Again, what kind of process? |
| 08:30.28 | jarick | What is "heavy"? |
| 08:30.48 | jarick | And see what cahoot said. |
| 08:31.18 | lxsameer | jarick: coping , rendering , searching FS , even loading gnome |
| 08:31.27 | lxsameer | jarick: about iotop ? |
| 08:32.04 | jarick | Note that those could be disk-bound activities. |
| 08:32.12 | jarick | Run iotop. See if they're disk-bound. |
| 08:32.47 | lxsameer | jarick: ok tasks alot |
| 08:33.05 | cahoot | i e multitask? |
| 08:33.43 | lxsameer | cahoot: ? |
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| 08:42.28 | hid3 | Morning everyone. I'm trying to upgrade a very old (debian sarge) webserver which runs Apache 1.3, PHP4, etc. I'm sure such a huge upgrade WILL break everything. Is there any 'softer' way to upgrade it rather than using upgrade/dist-upgrade? I mean, upgrading some main packages one by one, or similar? I'm considering to upgrade it to etch firstly.. |
| 08:45.12 | babilen | hid3: You should follow the release notes for etch and lenny respectively. Also: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" and "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
| 08:45.32 | babilen | hid3: And yes, upgrading to etch first is the way to go |
| 08:46.00 | babilen | hid3: You might also consider just installing lenny and getting the services running again |
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| 08:47.07 | SoulSeller | Reinstalling will be the fastest way imo. |
| 08:47.49 | hid3 | Ha ha.. babilen, well, the server has some web-gui-management interface written by some person which works TIGHTLY with apache1.3 and the overall system environment |
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| 08:48.04 | hid3 | I won't be able to move the services to a new system |
| 08:48.13 | babilen | hid3: Hooray for software that is no longer maintained :) |
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| 08:49.22 | hid3 | yeah.... |
| 08:49.38 | krisfremen | upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now xv won't work :( |
| 08:49.38 | hid3 | It's some kind of webpanel for webhosting users, etc... |
| 08:50.46 | hid3 | He he, seems that doing apt-get install --reinstall does the trick ;-) |
| 08:50.52 | hid3 | one by one... |
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| 09:10.27 | hid3 | Is it possible to run lenny and still have apache1.3 in there? |
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| 09:12.11 | cast_ | anything is possible |
| 09:12.21 | jelly-hme | on zombo.com |
| 09:12.28 | babilen | haha |
| 09:12.36 | cast_ | install whatever the hell you feel like in /usr/local, debian won't interfer |
| 09:12.43 | krisfremen | o.0 |
| 09:12.55 | krisfremen | why doesn't Ctrl+Alt+Backspace work?? |
| 09:13.02 | babilen | !tell hid3 -about usrlocal |
| 09:13.07 | babilen | !tell hid3 -about stow |
| 09:13.07 | hid3 | no!!! |
| 09:13.12 | babilen | no? |
| 09:13.15 | hid3 | don't tell me about it, I know |
| 09:13.15 | hid3 | :D |
| 09:13.22 | babilen | stow as well? |
| 09:13.29 | cast_ | stow is awesome |
| 09:13.32 | hid3 | I don't mean /usr/local |
| 09:13.35 | jelly-hme | !tell krisfremen about dontzap |
| 09:13.37 | hid3 | I mean syste packages |
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| 09:14.23 | jelly-hme | hid3: there is no package for apache 1.3 in lenny |
| 09:14.23 | cast_ | surely that question can be very quickly answered by going to http://packages.debian.org/apache |
| 09:14.23 | krisfremen | ahh, ok, cab is disabled on squeeze |
| 09:14.24 | krisfremen | i have one more question.. how do i get xvideo working? |
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| 09:15.02 | webPragmatist | hai |
| 09:15.31 | jelly-hme | krisfremen: if you're using correct video drivers, it ought to be there by default. what does "xvinfo" say? |
| 09:16.03 | hid3 | So it I upgrade from etch to lenny still having apache1.3 package, will it be removed during the upgrade process? |
| 09:16.06 | hid3 | *if |
| 09:17.05 | krisfremen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.19 | gauge | !sw |
| 09:21.20 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
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| 09:24.34 | bassliner | hello, i get the following error from apt when i try aptitude install nagios3: http://paste.debian.net/67273/ any help? |
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| 09:25.33 | jarick | That's strange. nagios should add the nagios user. |
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| 09:26.15 | bassliner | jarick: i just manually deleted it from the statoverride file which seems to work now |
| 09:26.36 | jarick | bassliner: And now nagios will not run as the nagios user. |
| 09:26.40 | cast_ | hid3: is this apache host accessable from the net per chance? |
| 09:26.59 | jarick | This is suboptimal. |
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| 09:27.04 | bassliner | grrr |
| 09:27.10 | ubsafder | hello |
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| 09:27.50 | robertzaccour | whats the name of the debian chatbot? |
| 09:28.09 | wols | there is no chatbot. however there is dpkg with lots of factoids |
| 09:28.27 | robertzaccour | dpkg is funny haha |
| 09:28.27 | dpkg | robertzaccour: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:28.37 | ubsafder | how can i find the configure in Kmix for my mic . any tools that could detect the entry point ? |
| 09:28.38 | robertzaccour | dpkg see what i mean? lol |
| 09:28.38 | dpkg | robertzaccour: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:28.51 | wols | robertzaccour: do you have a debian related question/problem? |
| 09:29.06 | robertzaccour | uhoh chat police |
| 09:29.07 | robertzaccour | toodles |
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| 09:30.04 | bassliner | jarick: ok solved it, thanks. |
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| 09:32.26 | hid3 | cast_: yes |
| 09:33.08 | hid3 | Crap. I upgarded some package and it requested apache (1.3) to be restarted. Now doesn't start due to this error: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSchemaValidate |
| 09:33.13 | hid3 | I'm screwed!!! :( |
| 09:34.20 | wols | well, having to run apache 1.3, this was a foregone conclusion |
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| 09:36.06 | rektide | i'm listed in a group, and this group has r-x access to a directory; how do i see whats in the directoy? |
| 09:36.16 | ars1 | hi how to download and apply this patch to my lenny ? http://github.com/funtoo/portage/commit/86a5873d2042b115a98ca6a83bac39675fd7d478 |
| 09:36.18 | rektide | i need to change my effective group or some such? i'm not sure what i need to do |
| 09:36.19 | hid3 | The webpanel works tightly with apache1.3. I can't change that because the webpanel wasn't written by me |
| 09:36.28 | hid3 | It's notmy decision |
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| 09:37.21 | cast_ | hid3: does the apache foundation still support 1.3? |
| 09:37.31 | hid3 | yep |
| 09:37.44 | hid3 | 1.3.42 seems to be release on 2010-02-02 |
| 09:38.00 | ars1 | anyone please ? |
| 09:38.46 | Night_Elf | Hi all. Something strange is happening. A default bind9 installation has stopped working, 'dig' displays a message: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached. But on the other hand, the bind9 logs display this: info: client 127.0.0.1#39288: query: google.com IN A + What is happening ? |
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| 09:39.00 | Spida | hi |
| 09:39.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | ars1: portage isn't in lenny |
| 09:39.21 | rektide | how do i change my effective group id? i typically use bash or zsh |
| 09:39.27 | cast_ | hid3: well then, use their version. since debian has evidently dropped support, installing a debian package is a really bad idea |
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| 09:39.28 | rektide | ffffff |
| 09:39.40 | ars1 | Kamping_Kaiser: im asking if i can download it anywhere as tarball or ? |
| 09:40.09 | Spida | are there known issues on squeeze with X (especially on nvidia cards, but not limited to the non-free-driver) with the screen getting black on X startup and staying black? |
| 09:40.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ars1: ask the portage project |
| 09:40.20 | ars1 | Kamping_Kaiser: they helped me at apache |
| 09:41.01 | hid3 | cast_: thanks, I'll try to... |
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| 09:41.39 | wols | ars1: downloading what as tarball? |
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| 09:46.14 | cast_ | hid3: worth mentioning openbsd has stuck to 1.3 :) |
| 09:46.32 | cast_ | hid3: they probably won't be so kind regarding your questions though |
| 09:47.36 | ars1 | whats httpd-devel package called in debian ? |
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| 09:47.57 | babilen | !tell ars1 about search |
| 09:48.16 | wols | ars1: apt-cache search apache |grep dev |
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| 10:23.39 | RichiH | _something_ is accessing my pata & sata devices which means i can't burn CDs without that failing nor can i spin down disks with sg_start --stop without them spinning up again within seconds -- any idea how i can track down what causes this (hal does not seem to be the culprit) |
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| 10:24.35 | lindi- | RichiH: /proc/sys/vm/block_dump? |
| 10:25.14 | Night_Elf | Has anyone had problems with bind9 recently ? |
| 10:25.26 | jarick | Night_Elf: More specific? |
| 10:25.54 | Night_Elf | jarick: all of a sudden I get ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 10:26.25 | Night_Elf | jarick: the server is there and running though |
| 10:26.38 | RichiH | lindi-: 0 |
| 10:27.36 | lindi- | RichiH: sure but google for block_dump to get instructions on how to use it to trace IO users |
| 10:27.37 | RichiH | lindi-: ah, got it |
| 10:27.40 | RichiH | yes |
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| 10:32.05 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/67277/ -- dunno what to make of it, though |
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| 10:32.21 | jarick | Night_Elf: What does netstat -an | grep :53 say? |
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| 10:34.26 | Night_Elf | jarick: the port 53 is LISTEN Something else I just found out is that the internal zone is served fine (as in "intranet.company") but it times out when searching eg: "google.com" |
| 10:34.33 | Night_Elf | hmmm |
| 10:34.56 | Night_Elf | jarick: must be something else |
| 10:35.19 | Night_Elf | jarick: the server seems to be fine, and actually no changes were made |
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| 10:36.48 | acidrofl | hey, is it reasonable firefox to get 150% cpu usage when I have a youtube video opened? |
| 10:37.26 | RichiH | acidrofl: flash on linux sucks. get youtube-dl and use mplayer to watch the videos |
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| 10:37.42 | RichiH | youplayer () { |
| 10:37.43 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.43 | RichiH | } |
| 10:38.03 | jm | what is youtube-dl? |
| 10:39.26 | RichiH | apt-cache show youtube-dl |
| 10:39.50 | jm | what is the function you posted? |
| 10:39.53 | jarick | Night_Elf: Are you configured as a forwarder or querying the root NS directly? If you are forwarding, dig @upstreamserver |
| 10:40.03 | jm | where is that from? |
| 10:40.15 | jarick | Night_Elf: Also, consider seeking help in #bind |
| 10:40.31 | acidrofl | RichiH, well yes, but isn't it an annoying procedure, losing all the youtube features? (favourites etc.) |
| 10:41.26 | jm | I guess that was supposed to be a simple shell function |
| 10:41.45 | jm | is there any way to make firefox automatically spawn this upon reaching a youtube video page? |
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| 10:44.39 | RichiH | acidrofl: only if you consider them features, i guess. my use-case is mainly "watch that stupid thing to make friends/co-workers shut up" so i want to keep it in a single borderless window so as not to take up as much space |
| 10:44.58 | acidrofl | heh, isn't it time-consuming though? |
| 10:45.19 | acidrofl | well you lose the feature of the gui |
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| 10:45.56 | acidrofl | why don't they care about flash in linux? I don't understand that. |
| 10:46.44 | wols | cause <1% of people use linux as a desktop |
| 10:47.10 | acidrofl | is that true? I thought we had a bigger share :/ |
| 10:47.11 | wols | and of those, many aren't really influencable by ads either since they use adblock, know to use gogole for shopping cheaper, etc |
| 10:47.42 | Night_Elf | jarick: the server is configured to query the root ns. I just found out that it must be a network problem. Yesterday the colleagues have plaied with the router... something has happened there. |
| 10:48.07 | Night_Elf | jarick: I just disabled all filtering in the router and all works fine again |
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| 10:57.54 | jm | I wonder how easy it would be to add a context menu entry to automatically spawn mplayer/youtube-dl in the fashion RichiH spoke of |
| 10:59.39 | jarick | Night_Elf: And you're announcing this to the rest of us because you want your site to be rooted? :D |
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| 11:01.37 | Spida | are there known issues on squeeze with X (especially on nvidia cards, but not limited to the non-free-driver) with the screen getting black on X startup and staying black? |
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| 11:01.58 | Night_Elf | jarick: ok. The firewall is up again, I found out what it was. was a firewall rule which blocked outgoing udp NOT going towards the upstream provider nameserver. the colleagues have restored some rules in the firewall yesterday, and this was a remnant rule. |
| 11:02.24 | Night_Elf | jarick: I was counting on the good will of the debianites :D |
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| 11:04.12 | florent | says hi |
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| 11:05.35 | jarick | Night_Elf: Should you not do forwarders to the upstream provider instead then? |
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| 11:05.54 | jarick | Unless you're a decently large site, querying the root NS may be slower. |
| 11:06.28 | Night_Elf | jarick: is that a wiser decision? What happens when the provider's nameservers screw up ? |
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| 11:08.32 | hid3 | Is downgrade of a package possible in any way? I really, really need that... |
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| 11:09.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | !downgrade |
| 11:09.29 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 11:11.10 | rgr | nothing has to be enabled to have cron process /etc/cron.d files for Debian testing does it? I have a leafnode fetchnews cron file there that is not being processed. |
| 11:11.53 | liquidat0r | helpy, anyone? http://i43.tinypic.com/10zty5d.png |
| 11:11.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | rgr: nope, just has to be a valid crontab file |
| 11:12.03 | jarick | Night_Elf: Then you're fucked. But the provider is generally faster. And if their nameserves go down, everything else would have gone done. |
| 11:12.13 | rgr | yeah, thats what I thought. Strange. |
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| 11:12.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | liquidat0r: run apt-get update? |
| 11:13.09 | Night_Elf | jarick: hmm I see. I'll do some tests then. Thanks for the advice :) |
| 11:13.16 | liquidat0r | doesn't achieve anything |
| 11:13.59 | liquidat0r | though i do get: http://i40.tinypic.com/r92621.png |
| 11:14.04 | babilen | liquidat0r: Congratulations! It looks as if you mixes testing/unstable with stable - Please provide the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list |
| 11:14.17 | babilen | liquidat0r: Why do you provide pictures? |
| 11:14.20 | jarick | liquidat0r: Can't you paste text like everyone else? |
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| 11:15.07 | liquidat0r | i have no idea why i was using pictures, force of habbit i guess |
| 11:15.51 | liquidat0r | and i dont want to flood the channel |
| 11:16.07 | babilen | liquidat0r: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:17.52 | liquidat0r | http://paste.debian.net/67281/ |
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| 11:18.45 | babilen | liquidat0r: Why do i see sid in there? |
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| 11:19.37 | liquidat0r | copy/pasted from here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/deluge/download |
| 11:19.58 | babilen | *sigh* - what have you done after you've pasted that? |
| 11:20.02 | babilen | !tell liquidat0r -about sid |
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| 11:20.32 | liquidat0r | hrmph |
| 11:21.21 | babilen | ,versions deluge |
| 11:21.22 | judd | deluge -- squeeze: 1.2.1-1; sid: 1.2.2-2 |
| 11:21.35 | babilen | liquidat0r: Well, what have you done so far? |
| 11:22.01 | liquidat0r | what do you mean? |
| 11:22.04 | wols | liquidat0r: /var/log/dpkg.log can be helpful in finding out |
| 11:22.20 | wols | liquidat0r: he means "what did you install after adding sid to your sources.list" |
| 11:23.16 | babilen | !version |
| 11:23.16 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 11:23.25 | liquidat0r | gnome |
| 11:23.32 | babilen | liquidat0r: please provide the output of these ^^^^ commands |
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| 11:26.15 | liquidat0r | forgive me, but i'm not sure exactly what all that means |
| 11:26.49 | babilen | liquidat0r: Provide the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l libc6" |
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| 11:27.13 | babilen | liquidat0r: Have you installed *any* packages after you've changed your sources.list ? |
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| 11:27.21 | liquidat0r | yes |
| 11:27.40 | liquidat0r | i added that change to sources list right at the start |
| 11:27.46 | liquidat0r | not knowing it would affect anything |
| 11:28.01 | liquidat0r | so i have install vnc4server and gnome with that change in the sources list present |
| 11:28.10 | jarick | *blink* |
| 11:28.14 | liquidat0r | cat /etc/debian_version : 5.0.4 |
| 11:28.21 | jarick | babilen: May $DEITY have mercy on your soul. |
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| 11:28.49 | liquidat0r | http://paste.debian.net/67282/ |
| 11:28.53 | liquidat0r | back in 10mins |
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| 11:29.00 | liquidat0r | if it helps, tis a new server |
| 11:29.04 | liquidat0r | so i can just start over completely |
| 11:29.10 | wols | liquidat0r: yes, do that |
| 11:29.24 | babilen | liquidat0r: You want to reinstall |
| 11:30.02 | hid3 | How do I just DOWNLOAD a package from apt, but not install it? |
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| 11:30.11 | hid3 | I need a *.deb file.. |
| 11:30.22 | wols | man apt-get |
| 11:30.31 | babilen | hid3: You can download it from packages.debian.org, use apt-get or dget |
| 11:31.04 | wols | aptitude can do it too |
| 11:31.09 | abrotman | hid3: --download-only |
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| 11:31.26 | hid3 | babilen: how do I download it with apt-get? apt-get -d < what esle ? > |
| 11:31.39 | Kanisterschleife | hi all. Is there a list of currently supported external hard drives for debian? |
| 11:32.00 | hid3 | should I run apt-get -d package_name or apt-get -d install package_name? |
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| 11:32.42 | wols | Kanisterschleife: that makes no sense. alls usb, firewire or esata connected disks are supported |
| 11:32.57 | wols | !wayttd Kanisterschleife |
| 11:32.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kanisterschleife? |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | well, not sure i'd go that far .. it is possible that it's a new device id that's unknown |
| 11:33.35 | abrotman | hid3: why are you using apt-get? you should be using aptitude |
| 11:33.42 | jarick | abrotman: But the Mass Storage Profile should be detectable. |
| 11:34.10 | hid3 | Dammit. aptitude download looks at the version I have and tries to download it but I need to get the version the repository has!! |
| 11:34.10 | hid3 | :( |
| 11:34.22 | Kanisterschleife | wols: I want to use an external hard drive for backup and didn't know if there are some compatibility issues - didn't want to buy something which doesn't work in debian for some reasons like nonexisting drivers or something like that |
| 11:34.33 | abrotman | hid3: huh? use wget |
| 11:34.51 | wols | hid3: go to packages.debian.org and download whatever package you want |
| 11:35.00 | jarick | abrotman: This could be interesting. Are you SURE hid3 has a package that won't break the system? |
| 11:35.09 | hid3 | yeah.. The problem is that I need nearly 30 packages :D |
| 11:35.12 | abrotman | he hasn't told us what he's trying to do |
| 11:35.20 | abrotman | he just said he wants to manually download packages .. |
| 11:35.21 | hid3 | I'm trying to downgrade!! :D |
| 11:35.35 | hid3 | Crap, my apache doesn't start after I've tried to dist-upgrade |
| 11:35.35 | jarick | That's Not A Supported Operation. |
| 11:35.48 | wols | hid3: uninstall all the crap you want to downgrade then use apt again |
| 11:35.49 | hid3 | yeah, I know but I need to make it running at least |
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| 11:37.51 | Kanisterschleife | wols: so you say there are no compatibility problems? |
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| 11:50.29 | Kanisterschleife | exit |
| 11:50.34 | Kanisterschleife | lol |
| 11:50.49 | Kanisterschleife | sorry. bye all |
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| 11:52.42 | hid3 | wols: can't uninstall them.. They are critical system packages which would remove 'initscripts', 'ssh', etc... |
| 11:52.56 | hid3 | I need somehow to downgrade ~30 packages |
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| 11:56.10 | abrotman | hid3: what did you do that you need to downgrade? |
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| 12:04.43 | hid3 | abrotman: I was trying to upgrade from etch to lenny not at once but doing install --reinstall for packages. After some packages were reinstalled, they broke my php5 module in apache... |
| 12:04.53 | hid3 | Apache no longer starts but I need to start it ASAP |
| 12:05.01 | hid3 | This was the last command: install --reinstall util-linux wget whiptail whois zlib1g zlib1g-dev tcpdump telnet texinfo time tk8.3 tk8.4 traceroute ulogd unixodbc tcl8.3 tcl8.4 tcpd sysvinit sysvinit-utils tar bzip2 chkrootkit comerr-dev console-tools coreutils cpio cron cvs db4.2-util dc debianutils diff doxygen dselect e2fslibs |
| 12:05.06 | abrotman | hid3: wtf .. why would you do that ? |
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| 12:05.17 | abrotman | hid3: why not just do the full-upgrade like you're supposed to ? |
| 12:05.25 | hid3 | I tried not to break anything but I broke, I know I'm stupid |
| 12:05.48 | hid3 | abrotman: this system is using apache1.3, it's not available in lenny |
| 12:06.05 | abrotman | no kidding .. use apache2! |
| 12:07.15 | hid3 | This server runs a webhosting panel which wasn't written by me. It works (tightly) only with apache 1.3... |
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| 12:07.52 | abrotman | hid3: well, etch is no longer supported by security updates .. |
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| 12:09.02 | hid3 | Yeah, I know, That's why I was trying to upgrade as much as possible BUT not breaking the apache1.3 thing... |
| 12:09.11 | hid3 | any ideas how to get it running again? :( |
| 12:09.24 | hid3 | # apachectl configtest |
| 12:09.25 | hid3 | Syntax error on line 21 of /etc/apache/modules.conf: |
| 12:09.25 | hid3 | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSchemaValidate |
| 12:09.30 | hid3 | That's what I'm getting |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | that's because your php5 is the lenny version probably |
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| 12:10.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: why do you need to use that specific web panel? surely there are some that don't suck and work with apache2? |
| 12:10.52 | babilen | hid3: We already told you to fully upgrade to lenny and install apache1.3 into /usr/local. You also want to fix your web application as soon as possible, or use a maintained and supported one that serves the same functionality |
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| 12:10.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | (disclaimer, i don't use web pannels) |
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| 12:11.15 | pipeline | hid3: ldd /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so, see what lib is missing |
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| 12:11.27 | pipeline | hid3: incidentally: any version of php old enough to be contemporary to apache 1.3 is poison |
| 12:11.30 | Altreus | Hey, is this the right place to ask about a system message I don't quite grok that I get from testing? |
| 12:11.32 | pipeline | hid3: you could be compromised at any moment |
| 12:11.46 | babilen | Altreus: |
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| 12:12.02 | babilen | Altreus: Sure, just ask. Somebody will answer if (s)he knows the answer |
| 12:12.14 | Altreus | alrighty |
| 12:12.28 | hid3 | Kamping_Kaiser: because all the webhosting users use it. |
| 12:12.33 | babilen | Altreus: It would be best to paste it to http://paste.debian.net if the error message encompasses more than say, 2 lines |
| 12:12.51 | hid3 | babilen: I tried to compile the apache + php5 but it isn't fully compatible with my configuration files |
| 12:13.00 | Altreus | I am just looking for the message :) |
| 12:13.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: you upgraded a live system and broke it? *smack* |
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| 12:13.14 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: aren't they all live? |
| 12:13.17 | babilen | production server most likely |
| 12:13.38 | hid3 | Kamping_Kaiser: exactly |
| 12:13.45 | hid3 | pipeline: http://pastebin.org/132381 |
| 12:14.31 | babilen | hid3: Well, then fix your local apache2 installation which is a *much* better choice than breaking your Debian installation by following a completely unsupported upgrade path |
| 12:14.58 | pipeline | hid3: it must be dlopening something |
| 12:15.01 | abrotman | didn't they EOL apache1 ? |
| 12:15.09 | babilen | hid3: You really should search for a maintained and supported web panel that supports apache2 |
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| 12:15.46 | Altreus | http://paste.debian.net/67284/ -- When I was using stable, the apple touchpad worked perfectly. One-, two- and three-finger tapping for different buttons. Now I get this and don't have any tapping at all and it's hard to use. Any ideas? |
| 12:16.09 | hid3 | yeah yeah yeah. I tried to earn $50 by helping to upgrade an old system but it seems I'm facing a $5000 loss, at least. |
| 12:16.19 | hid3 | I'll enjoy my Easter. |
| 12:16.29 | pipeline | yeah you're screwed |
| 12:16.31 | pipeline | restore from backup |
| 12:16.32 | pipeline | you broke something |
| 12:17.16 | abrotman | yeah, he's trying to mix versions of debian .. so far the best option i've heard is to upgrade the box and put apache1 in /usr/local/ |
| 12:17.24 | abrotman | using stow/checkinstall of course! |
| 12:17.39 | babilen | abrotman: told him that hours ago :-\ |
| 12:17.50 | babilen | hid3: Well, don't panic |
| 12:17.58 | abrotman | i think he's past that :) |
| 12:18.01 | hid3 | oh.... nice to hear that, thanks |
| 12:18.04 | babilen | hid3: Upgrade to lenny by *following the release notes* |
| 12:18.20 | hid3 | but what about apache1.3?! :( |
| 12:18.33 | babilen | hid3: Then install the apache version you need into /usr/local (with stow) and get that running |
| 12:18.33 | hid3 | I've compiled one in /usr/local but it doesn't run with the configs I have |
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| 12:19.04 | babilen | hid3: The apache configuration is something you/we/#httpd can work on *after* you've upgraded |
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| 12:21.07 | babilen | hid3: Or follow pipeline's advice and restore the server from your backups and work on a good upgrade plan. You might also want to search for alternatives to your unsupported and obsolete web panel. I'm no expert in this area though, but I'm sure that some fine and well-maintained open source projects exist |
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| 12:21.40 | hid3 | I'm looking for backups but it seems they're not available. My blood is cold... |
| 12:22.11 | babilen | hid3: Is this system in production use? |
| 12:22.24 | babilen | or rather: was |
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| 12:23.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: ouch, burn. |
| 12:23.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: i know the feeling, and yes, it sucks. |
| 12:24.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: good luck finding a happy outcome. |
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| 12:28.04 | Altreus | babilen: Do you know any other chans I could ask, to broaden my chances of finding a golden expert? I reckon PPC is fairly underused |
| 12:28.24 | babilen | Altreus: There is #debian-ppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:28.45 | Altreus | babilen: That sounds perfect! Thank you :) |
| 12:28.55 | babilen | Altreus: Could you try enabling your behaviour with gpointing-device-settings or xinput? |
| 12:29.16 | babilen | Altreus: Although it looks as if the synaptics driver has a problem with your touchpad |
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| 12:29.22 | babilen | Altreus: But it is worth a try |
| 12:29.32 | Altreus | I'll give it a shot |
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| 12:29.39 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 12:30.20 | hellyeah | why debian has no driver version 197 nvidia8400m gs is there someone who knows something about this driver |
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| 12:30.55 | babilen | Altreus: Did you specify the "appletouch" or is this the result of Xorg's auto configuration? |
| 12:31.30 | Altreus | babilen: It is the xorg config from stable, which configured itself, but worked |
| 12:31.47 | Altreus | Do you think I should reconfigure? |
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| 12:32.38 | Altreus | The device settings dialogue shows the appletouch driver and mac mouse button emulation, and has all the nice settings, but the messages aren't getting through |
| 12:33.21 | babilen | !tell Altreus -about xorg config squeeze |
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| 12:33.52 | Altreus | oh that is also a thing to try |
| 12:34.00 | babilen | Altreus: I would try with an empty xorg.conf first and check if gpointing-device-settings and xinput can set whatever you want to set .. |
| 12:34.01 | Altreus | :) |
| 12:34.14 | Altreus | yes I like that idea |
| 12:34.27 | babilen | Altreus: But asking in #debian-ppc might also be a good idea as it is quite likely that they are more familiar with your hardware than me |
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| 12:34.49 | Altreus | If this doesn't work or at least give me a clue then I'll do that :) |
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| 12:36.11 | babilen | Altreus: Another idea would be to configure the touchpad in your xorg.conf if the Xorg's hotplugging screws things up .. or use udev rules |
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| 12:37.20 | mariok | Hello everybody. |
| 12:37.21 | babilen | Altreus: The problem is that the way in which things like these are configured in Xorg changed quite a lot recently, so you will find lots of obsolete/outdated information on the net |
| 12:38.20 | Altreus | Letting it decide for itself, it realised it needed the appletouch driver |
| 12:38.26 | Altreus | So I'll ask the ppc chaps |
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| 12:39.42 | babilen | Altreus: And gpointing-device-settings and xinput are not working? |
| 12:40.10 | babilen | Altreus: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574342 contains a Xorg snippet you could try (adapt it to your needs) |
| 12:40.31 | mariok | I have a small problem and hope that you can help me. |
| 12:40.32 | mariok | I have 2 boxes with Debian Squeeze. One box (pc1) recommends to install linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 and the other one (pc2) does not. |
| 12:40.35 | mariok | a "aptitude why-not linux-image-2.6.32-3-686" on pc2 gives me |
| 12:40.37 | mariok | Unable to find a reason to remove linux-image-2.6.32-3-686. |
| 12:40.44 | mariok | Can you give me a hint please? |
| 12:41.01 | abrotman | mariok: put the /etc/apt/sources.list for both in a pastebin (paste.debian.net) |
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| 12:41.40 | abrotman | mariok: also, make sure linux-image-686 is installed |
| 12:42.44 | mariok | linxu-image-686 is not installed (on both machines) |
| 12:42.52 | mariok | linux-image-686 is not installed (on both machines) |
| 12:43.05 | babilen | Altreus: Also see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide but AFAIK hal will be deprecated soon as well in favour of udev rules. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input |
| 12:43.10 | wols | mariok: cause no such package exists |
| 12:43.21 | wols | mariok: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 12:43.23 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 12:43.24 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25 |
| 12:43.26 | abrotman | it doesn't ? |
| 12:43.32 | wols | oops |
| 12:43.53 | babilen | Altreus: I'm not entirely sure if the instruction on the Ubuntu wiki work for you, but you can look at them to get the idea. But IMHO xinput *should* work |
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| 12:44.32 | mariok | aptitude search 'linux-image' | grep '^i' |
| 12:44.32 | mariok | i linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs |
| 12:44.33 | mariok | i A linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 - Linux 2.6.30 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII |
| 12:44.46 | mariok | ^^ on pc1. on pc2 it' s the same |
| 12:44.50 | abrotman | mariok: sources.list ? |
| 12:44.55 | babilen | Altreus: Good luck - Let me know when you've found a solution please :) |
| 12:45.23 | Hideki | Question, how do I change my x server? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is just silently failing... |
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| 12:45.56 | abrotman | change it to do what? |
| 12:46.02 | wols | Hideki: X should use the most appropriate driver automatically |
| 12:46.08 | Hideki | change it to another one, there's a few options for my card |
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| 12:46.18 | Hideki | yes, it's using one that works but it's extremely slow for opengl |
| 12:46.50 | wols | Hideki: what card? |
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| 12:47.11 | Hideki | it's an old ATI card, Radeon 9600 |
| 12:47.24 | abrotman | that can only use the radeon driver .. i think |
| 12:47.28 | wols | then you wanr radeon |
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| 12:48.11 | Altreus | babilen: Channel #debian-ppc created Sat Apr 3 13:47:37 2010 |
| 12:48.16 | Altreus | :( |
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| 12:48.27 | abrotman | Altreus: it's #debianppc |
| 12:48.36 | Altreus | aha! |
| 12:48.41 | Altreus | %-) |
| 12:48.43 | ravenbird | Altreus: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:49.20 | Altreus | ravenbird: huh? |
| 12:49.21 | ravenbird | Altreus: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:49.28 | Altreus | oh it's a bot |
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| 12:50.44 | vivid | lol |
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| 12:52.28 | Altreus | Oh here's an interesting thing to note |
| 12:52.40 | Altreus | lsmod says appletouch is loaded |
| 12:52.53 | Altreus | so it seems like it's the x <-> module interface that's not happy |
| 12:53.02 | Altreus | however, if I unload it, the trackpad stops working |
| 12:53.04 | babilen | Altreus: And xinput did *not* work? |
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| 12:53.38 | Altreus | oh! Apologies - I forgot to try that |
| 12:54.25 | Altreus | I will try this now |
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| 13:01.40 | Altreus | xinput is giving me weird things I don't understand. Only "Virtual core pointer" is a recognised device and it only has one property , "Device Enabled". http://paste.debian.net/67291/ |
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| 13:01.56 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/wMmfg3w2 |
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| 13:02.03 | mariok | ^^^ there is the pastebin |
| 13:02.08 | hid3 | How do I download the complete source code for a package? |
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| 13:02.38 | babilen | Altreus: You could also try the snippet in the bug report i mentioned (adapt it to your needs) |
| 13:02.52 | babilen | Altreus: But give me a second - talking to upstream now ;) |
| 13:03.15 | abrotman | mariok: and only one offers the kernel update ? |
| 13:03.26 | mariok | yes |
| 13:03.35 | abrotman | and you've done the aptitude update on both ? |
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| 13:03.47 | mariok | yes i did |
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| 13:04.13 | abrotman | mariok: does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686' match on both ? |
| 13:04.15 | mariok | okay I should say, the one which does not offer the Update is a Laptop which I did not reinstall today |
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| 13:04.24 | mariok | the one which offers the update was installed today |
| 13:04.41 | babilen | Altreus: I would actually try to set it in Xorg.conf as this will be the default to specify options in newer versions of Xorg again. The packages will be uploaded in the next week |
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| 13:05.36 | babilen | Altreus: Sorry for the confusion - Glad i've finally figured it out. UDEV should not be used, HAL was used since Xorg 1.4 but is supposed to be deprecated in newer versions of Debian again in favour of setting it in Xorg.conf |
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| 13:05.49 | babilen | Altreus: HAL for the configuration that is |
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| 13:08.21 | daltio12 | guys i want to run my debain as router how i do this |
| 13:08.24 | daltio12 | any idea |
| 13:09.27 | daltio12 | i have 2 debain boxes connected with vpn , my local network ins 10.157.41.0 and its has a seperate wan ip and another box as local network 192.168.3.0 with 1 wan ip |
| 13:09.43 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/bEYEyL2w |
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| 13:10.58 | daltio12 | both machines are ok and access each other now 1 machine as a juniper router with ip 10.157.41.1 and thrugh this router i add a route add -host 10.1578.2/32 gw 10.157.41.1 1 machine can access 10.157.8.2 |
| 13:11.21 | daltio12 | i want second machine should access the mail server 10.157.8.2 what routes should i add |
| 13:11.25 | daltio12 | any idea |
| 13:11.25 | daltio12 | ? |
| 13:12.08 | daltio12 | my vpn ip on 1 machine is 18.18.18.1 and on 2 machine is 18.18.18.5 , i add route on 2 machine route add -host 10.157.8.2 gw 18.18.18.1 |
| 13:12.13 | daltio12 | but it says |
| 13:12.35 | daltio12 | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 13:12.36 | daltio12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.10 | wols | first of /msg dpkg enter |
| 13:16.41 | wols | 2nd, write out your problem CLEARLY in a word processor. when you have done that, THEN come here and ask for help with it |
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| 13:17.24 | daltio12 | wols who me? |
| 13:17.32 | wols | yes you |
| 13:17.43 | daltio12 | sory i culd not understand |
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| 13:18.16 | abrotman | mariok: what if you manually specify the package name ? |
| 13:18.20 | wols | we neither. you wrote a lot of gibberish above. in the current state no one can help you with that |
| 13:18.27 | daltio12 | did you get my point i have both these machine up and running now i want to access 10.157.8.2 from 192.168.3.0 network |
| 13:18.59 | daltio12 | what u want i explain i 1 line |
| 13:19.00 | daltio12 | ok |
| 13:19.43 | wols | daltio12: syntax error. too many newlines encountered. aborting |
| 13:20.48 | daltio12 | wols here |
| 13:20.51 | daltio12 | guys i want to run my debain as router how i do this, i have 2 debain boxes connected with vpn , my local network ins 10.157.41.0 and its has a seperate wan ip and another box as local network 192.168.3.0 with 1 wan ip, both machines are ok and access each other now 1 machine as a juniper router with ip 10.157.41.1 and thrugh this router i add a route add -host 10.1578.2/32 gw 10.157.41.1 1 machine can access 10.157.8.2 ,,i want second machine should acc |
| 13:20.51 | daltio12 | ess the mail server 10.157.8.2 what routes should i add,my vpn ip on 1 machine is 18.18.18.1 and on 2 machine is 18.18.18.5 , i add route on 2 machine route add -host 10.157.8.2 gw 18.18.18.1 |
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| 13:21.31 | abrotman | waits for wols to translate |
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| 13:21.58 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 13:22.06 | wols | I predict a long waiting period |
| 13:22.16 | rajeshsr | ghc seems to be updated to: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ghc6 |
| 13:22.45 | rajeshsr | but synaptic doesn't seem to be showing anything about updation? any idea of what repo to add for that? |
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| 13:23.16 | wols | rajeshsr: you don't want to use sid |
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| 13:23.46 | samael | hello |
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| 13:23.53 | mauro | good morning |
| 13:23.55 | mariok | aptitude -d install linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 13:23.56 | mariok | ... |
| 13:23.59 | mariok | firmware-linux-free{a} libc6-i686{a} linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 13:24.25 | mauro | can i have help? i have my pc with debian that have very slow connection |
| 13:24.29 | rajeshsr | wols, hmm, ok! so there is no way to have the package upgraded with lenny? |
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| 13:24.37 | mariok | i just wondered why "aptitude why-not..." does not say anything about that |
| 13:24.39 | stian79 | Anyone has suggestion to how I can use my USB printer (canon i320) witch is connected to the routers USB port? |
| 13:24.43 | wols | rajeshsr: /msg dpkg backports and /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:24.57 | wols | stian79: how is the router exporting this printer? |
| 13:25.19 | daltio12 | wols any idea |
| 13:25.22 | samael | how about ext4 on lenny? should I use it on a production server? is that sufficient to modprobe ext4dev or should I do other housekeepings? |
| 13:25.39 | wols | samael: if you have to ask if you should use ext4, you shouldn't use it |
| 13:26.05 | wols | mariok: unless you describe your actual problem we cannot help you |
| 13:26.14 | format_c | samael, it's not stable until 2.6.28 AFAIK |
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| 13:27.04 | mariok | wols: the problem is: Is there another way to find out, why aptitude decides not to installing linux-image-2.6.32-3-686, because "aptitude why-no ..." says nothing in that case. |
| 13:27.11 | samael | wols: i'm a sid man, already using ext4 on various sid boxes. not used to stable so I'm asking |
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| 13:27.16 | abrotman | mariok: have you run full-upgrade on both ? |
| 13:27.28 | stian79 | wols: I have no idea, It came a setup cd for windoze |
| 13:27.28 | wols | samael: the answer stays the same |
| 13:27.53 | wols | stian79: and what makes you think we have any idea what some shitty taiwan router uses for a protocol? |
| 13:27.59 | samael | forgetful, wols: ok, i think i can live with ext3 so. than you :) |
| 13:28.46 | wols | stian79: note there are tons of howtos out there which describe accessing a remote printer via CIFS or IPP |
| 13:30.03 | mariok | thanks a lot. I didn't know the "full-upgrade" parameter. |
| 13:30.12 | mariok | if I do aptitude full-upgrade it gives me |
| 13:30.14 | mariok | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.15 | mariok | ch is a virtual package. |
| 13:30.23 | mariok | so I think that' s the problem. |
| 13:31.16 | mariok | thanks for helping me good by |
| 13:31.17 | stian79 | wols: Is there any howtos to make a dealer eat the f..... windows convinient setup cd? |
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| 13:32.03 | wols | no howtos, but 1-900-MAFIA-R-US has a great service |
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| 13:33.01 | stian79 | wols: If they are to expensive I might go for a tomato upgrade of the firmware |
| 13:33.46 | wols | ok, then use 1-900-DEVIL-R-IS. they're cheaper |
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| 13:35.00 | meet | hi aef |
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| 13:36.23 | meet | hi gary |
| 13:36.43 | meet | hi wor |
| 13:37.05 | abrotman | meet: do you need help ? |
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| 13:37.26 | meet | ya |
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| 13:40.29 | rosy | hi starenka |
| 13:40.44 | rajeshsr | sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install ghc6 |
| 13:40.49 | rajeshsr | seems not working |
| 13:41.03 | rajeshsr | it just points out 2 unrelated python package to remove! |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | be more explicit |
| 13:41.15 | daltio12 | wols any idea? |
| 13:41.29 | babilen | ,versions ghc6 |
| 13:41.30 | judd | ghc6 -- etch: 6.6-3; lenny: 6.8.2dfsg1-1.1; sid: 6.12.1-12; squeeze: 6.12.1-12 |
| 13:41.34 | rajeshsr | abrotman, i was trying to install latest ghc from back port |
| 13:42.16 | abrotman | rajeshsr: if it's not in backports.org, you won't be able to install it |
| 13:42.18 | wols | rajeshsr: there is no ghc6 in backports |
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| 13:42.40 | wols | rajeshsr: apt-cache policy ghc6 |
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| 13:43.54 | rajeshsr | so what i can do? |
| 13:43.59 | rajeshsr | install from src? |
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| 13:51.28 | vivid | rajeshsr, its likely you will need a more current distribution |
| 13:51.47 | rajeshsr | vivid, don't get you |
| 13:51.53 | rajeshsr | am using lenny |
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| 13:52.14 | vivid | thats my point, you can try to backport it, but it will probably a very long tedious process |
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| 13:52.30 | vivid | the simplest method would be to use a more current distribution, like squeeze |
| 13:53.02 | rajeshsr | vivid, squeeze is stable? |
| 13:53.03 | jelly-home | and of course lose any security support for the rest of the OS in the process |
| 13:53.04 | vivid | lenny is stable, and "current" but its components are old |
| 13:53.10 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: it's not. |
| 13:53.27 | rajeshsr | jelly-home, hmm, ok! then i won't risk! |
| 13:55.09 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: you can try doing a backport (/msg dpkg ssb), but it's anyone's guess how much work that's going to take |
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| 13:56.07 | vivid | yea, backporting can be a pain |
| 13:56.20 | rajeshsr | jelly-home, so it is not recommended to install directly from .deb package of sid? |
| 13:56.48 | vivid | it wont meet the dependencies of the packages in lenny |
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| 13:57.29 | rajeshsr | vivid, i added: deb SID_REPO |
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| 13:57.36 | vivid | lol |
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| 13:57.45 | rajeshsr | and going to install? is it bad? |
| 13:58.00 | vivid | you dont want to mix the repos of different distributions |
| 13:58.16 | vivid | releases rather |
| 13:58.56 | rajeshsr | well, just wondering what problem it may cause? All is debain anyway. Can there be any binary incompatibility? |
| 13:59.13 | vivid | sid is NOT binary compatible with lenny, and highly unstable |
| 13:59.41 | vivid | so youll probably get a ton of errors, to no end, which you wont be able to fix |
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| 14:00.33 | rajeshsr | vivid, oh!! So back-porting will work? |
| 14:01.30 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: adding sid repos and installing anything will likely break your stable installation. |
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| 14:02.00 | rajeshsr | jelly-home, ok! not gonna try that! let me try back-porting from src... |
| 14:02.18 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.22 | rajeshsr | is the line, right? |
| 14:03.13 | jelly-home | looks correct, rajeshsr |
| 14:03.30 | jelly-home | interestingly, build dependencies can be satisfied in lenny, which is a good sign |
| 14:03.37 | rajeshsr | hmm, ok! wish me good luck! :) |
| 14:03.43 | rajeshsr | hmm! |
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| 14:04.19 | vivid | rajeshsr, the version of that package is the same in squeeze as it is in sid |
| 14:04.51 | vivid | rajeshsr, and squeeze is not nearly unstable, its scheduled for a release some time this year, which for debian is right around the corner |
| 14:05.16 | jelly-home | a less good sign is that one of the packages installed in build-dep is... ghc6 |
| 14:06.00 | rajeshsr | vivid, you mean to use squeeze repo instead of sid? |
| 14:06.41 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: doesn't matter |
| 14:06.46 | vivid | ^ |
| 14:06.51 | Altreus | Odd behaviour indeed. The xorg logs say the module "appletouch" does not exist, but modprobe begs to differ. In fact, loading the module with modprobe causes a usb hotplug event |
| 14:07.00 | Altreus | But it is still not registering taps :/ |
| 14:07.04 | vivid | what im saying is i would use squeeze release unless i was running a server in a production environment |
| 14:07.32 | vivid | but it makes no difference as youre already on the path to reaching a solution |
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| 14:07.46 | Maurizio | ciao |
| 14:08.02 | Maurizio | !list |
| 14:08.02 | dpkg | maurizio: VATTENE VIA |
| 14:08.23 | jelly-home | what is it with these italian warez people coming to #debian? |
| 14:08.33 | rajeshsr | interesting! lots of perl modules needed to build ghc6! |
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| 14:09.51 | visof | hi |
| 14:10.12 | visof | how can i compress a file via command line in gz ? |
| 14:10.16 | visof | or whatever |
| 14:10.18 | vivid | italian warez? |
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| 14:10.44 | jelly-home | no, (italian) (warez people) |
| 14:10.53 | rajeshsr | BTW, will src download result in latest version being downloaded, from sid? or it can get confused with the src version with lenny? |
| 14:11.19 | vivid | it should grab the latest version |
| 14:11.39 | vivid | visof, 'gzip <file or directory>' |
| 14:11.41 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: apt wil choose the newest version, regardless of the repository |
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| 14:12.01 | vivid | visof, 'man gzip' |
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| 14:13.04 | jelly-home | hah, it uses old ghc6 to bootstrap some bits, and then build again |
| 14:13.22 | rajeshsr | jelly-home, hmm, thanks! so when i install, with dpkg -i, how am i to make it co-exist with existing ghc? or can i allow it to over-write? |
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| 14:14.17 | rajeshsr | jelly-home, if i overwrite i can get it back from synaptic, right? |
| 14:14.50 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: you can always remove or purge the package and install from lenny repo, yes |
| 14:15.04 | rajeshsr | hmm, ok! thanks |
| 14:15.11 | jelly-home | rajeshsr: can't have two "ghc6" installed at the same time. |
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| 14:26.57 | jahanson | ever since i upgraded to Squeeze with the corresponding rt2500pci for my wlan card, the signal strength has been reduced. where is the problem? |
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| 14:31.44 | d0uglas | Hi folks. When dropping in an spf txt record, do I throw quotations around the entry or is that how the spf resource sites are just presenting what i'm supposed to use on their sites? in other words should my TXT record be TXT "v=spf1 a mx ~all" or no quotes? |
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| 14:33.09 | Dexter6 | hi |
| 14:33.18 | d0uglas | .. and how do I get cron to stop emailing me updates |
| 14:33.47 | Dexter6 | which package contains glib >2.0 |
| 14:34.43 | Altreus | d0uglas: First one I would try it and see, second one do MAILTO="" at the top of the crontab |
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| 14:35.07 | babilen | Altreus: How did it work out? |
| 14:35.09 | Altreus | or >/dev/null to disable it for an individual one |
| 14:35.17 | Altreus | babilen: Nothing successful |
| 14:35.22 | babilen | grmpf |
| 14:35.27 | d0uglas | thanks altreus |
| 14:35.32 | Altreus | All the methods just said that it was an inappropriate ioctl for the device |
| 14:35.41 | Altreus | So something automatic is doing something wrong somewher |
| 14:35.57 | babilen | You might want to reply to the bug i mentioned and provide a little more detail about your problems, so jcristau can take a look |
| 14:36.07 | Altreus | Yeah that's an idea |
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| 14:36.41 | Altreus | I think mine might be a bit different - he's on an intel mac |
| 14:36.43 | d0uglas | Altreus: wait i can just drop in ">/dev/null" into /etc/crontab? |
| 14:36.52 | Altreus | d0uglas: yes at the end of the command |
| 14:37.08 | babilen | I talked to him earlier and he confirmed that Xorg configuration should be handled within Xorg.conf right now as this will become the standard again (after HAL) with new packages that will be uploaded in the next week |
| 14:37.47 | lindi- | babilen: xorg.conf. how can that handle hotplugging? |
| 14:37.49 | Altreus | babilen: There's a possibility that that will fix something. Alternatively, I have an old udev that wasn't purged when I upgraded to testing |
| 14:37.57 | Altreus | or something |
| 14:38.12 | Altreus | I'm out of my depth when it comes to driver-level stuff |
| 14:38.15 | babilen | d0uglas: Cron typically mails the output of your commands to you, if you redirect it to /dev/null nothing gets mailed. You should also think about redirecting stderr/stdout if you want to treat errors and normal output differently |
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| 14:39.16 | Altreus | babilen: haha I can't reply to the bug easily because I can't right-click and copy the mailto address :P |
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| 14:40.04 | babilen | lindi-: It will not handle hotplugging. Since Xorg 1.4 HAL is used and since 1.8 udev is used. Xorg.conf will be used for customisation, which is currently handled through HAL rules |
| 14:40.09 | visof | how can i gzip a directory ? |
| 14:40.14 | babilen | lindi-: Or rather fdi files |
| 14:40.21 | visof | gzip -f < directory ? |
| 14:40.28 | Altreus | visof: tar it |
| 14:40.30 | visof | how ? |
| 14:40.31 | babilen | Altreus: Just run reportbug to do that |
| 14:40.36 | visof | tar < directory ? |
| 14:40.43 | Altreus | visof: tar czf file.tar.gz directory |
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| 14:41.04 | Altreus | babilen: oh ok |
| 14:41.17 | d0uglas | yay it worked. thanks Altreus, babilen. |
| 14:41.49 | babilen | Altreus: That will also take care of including additional information if needed. You will be presented with a list of bugs and you just give it the bug number. |
| 14:41.58 | babilen | d0uglas: \o/ |
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| 14:42.30 | Altreus | babilen: that's clever! |
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| 14:43.57 | babilen | Altreus: /msg dpkg reportbug and /msg dpkg report-bugs |
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| 14:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | Wow. Running kmail 3.5 in Mandriva from the console used to generate several pages of errors and warnings. In Debian? Five non-error lines. |
| 14:46.01 | mauro | good morning, i have my connection too slow with debian...how i can repair? |
| 14:46.13 | Altreus | babilen: Darn thing didn't list the bug, and didn't give me the option to just enter the number :( |
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| 14:46.24 | Altreus | Can i reportfeaturerequest too? |
| 14:46.54 | hid3 | how can I force a package installation even if dependencies are unmet? |
| 14:47.15 | wols | hid3: dpkg --force-help |
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| 14:47.34 | wols | hid3: but from then on, until you fix this problem, apt won't work anymore |
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| 14:47.55 | Altreus | oh if I'd just said yes I would have been able to enter the number |
| 14:49.24 | babilen | Altreus: And you reported against the correct package? (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics) and scrolled through the list? |
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| 14:49.40 | babilen | Altreus: And reportfeaturerequest would be a bug with priority "wishlist" |
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| 14:49.53 | Altreus | babilen: I figured it would find it from xserver-xorg but it didn't. It did when I put in the full package name, but ctrl+c didn't quit it when it said it would |
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| 14:50.01 | babilen | hid3: What is the status? |
| 14:50.01 | Altreus | so I had to kill it! |
| 14:50.15 | Altreus | What is the name for testing? |
| 14:50.22 | babilen | squeeze |
| 14:50.24 | Altreus | ta |
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| 14:51.22 | hid3 | babilen: I'm running again but just broke dependencies so apt isn't working ;-) |
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| 14:51.56 | babilen | hid3: Have you successfully and completely upgraded to lenny? What about the local apache install? |
| 14:52.06 | hid3 | It's almost Easter. I've been to church half an hour ago. Seems that helped the matter :) |
| 14:52.13 | kolabat | hi |
| 14:52.19 | babilen | hid3: But that sounds better |
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| 14:52.34 | vadmeste | Hi. I have this error when trying to upgrade to squeeze => http://pastebin.org/126577.. any idea ? |
| 14:52.35 | hid3 | babilen: I'm running the apache again! That's the greatest deal for this moment |
| 14:52.49 | hid3 | still haven't upgraded (and doubt I will) |
| 14:52.53 | babilen | great - and the upgrade? did you install it locally as advised? |
| 14:53.07 | hid3 | no, I stayed with etch yet |
| 14:53.12 | babilen | hid3: so you run a mixed etch/lenny system now? |
| 14:53.25 | Altreus | paste.debian.net++ # file upload button |
| 14:53.40 | hid3 | seems that libmod_php5 modules wasn't distribution one but compiled separately and installed silently over the distribution one |
| 14:53.41 | Da_Wrecka | Christ on a crutch! Do I need all five of these DVDs if I want to install Debian? |
| 14:53.48 | Altreus | Da_Wrecka: no |
| 14:54.00 | Da_Wrecka | Just DVD1? |
| 14:54.01 | hid3 | babilen: not exactly. Etch with just a few lenny packages ;-) |
| 14:54.06 | Altreus | you need about 70MB of kernel! But then you have to use the net to install everything |
| 14:54.08 | AimHere | There's about 10 DVDs if you include source, but yes, only DVD1 is necessary |
| 14:54.15 | babilen | vadmeste: yes - install the new kernel (probably manually), reboot, upgrade udev and continue |
| 14:54.25 | AimHere | Less for netinstall or whatever |
| 14:54.34 | Da_Wrecka | I'm only seeing five DVD images here. |
| 14:54.35 | Altreus | Da_Wrecka: DVDs 2+ are just more packages, which you can install from the internet later anyway |
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| 14:54.45 | babilen | !tell Da_Wrecka about netinst |
| 14:54.55 | babilen | Da_Wrecka: Do you have internet connection during the installation? |
| 14:54.57 | Da_Wrecka | Suddenly I wonder whether I should say "fuckit" and whack in my netinst CD |
| 14:55.02 | Altreus | netinst++ # worked on this crappy mac |
| 14:55.06 | Da_Wrecka | I do, yes, and I already have a netinst CD |
| 14:55.21 | babilen | Well, what do you need the DVDs for then? |
| 14:55.21 | Altreus | Da_Wrecka: unless you're on dialup you might as well do taht |
| 14:55.34 | Da_Wrecka | Just prefer to have complete media when possible, to save time reinstalling later |
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| 14:56.03 | Da_Wrecka | ahh screw it, netinst it is |
| 14:56.14 | Altreus | local mirror! |
| 14:56.40 | Da_Wrecka | ...that could work, I've got nearly 40GB of hard drive space on my server that's not doing much |
| 14:56.49 | Da_Wrecka | But then that's no better than downloading the five DVDs |
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| 14:57.08 | Altreus | it is, because you don't have to attend it |
| 14:57.16 | cp | question: anyone know a good FTP server? |
| 14:57.22 | Altreus | cp: ssh |
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| 14:57.55 | cp | hrm |
| 14:57.56 | abrotman | cp: vsftpd |
| 14:57.58 | Da_Wrecka | Wonder if the wireless will actually WORK with 5.0.4 and this laptop... |
| 14:58.14 | Altreus | live cds ftw |
| 14:58.15 | Da_Wrecka | Oh well, no biggie if it doesn't, I'll be hooking it up with CAT5 anyway |
| 14:58.19 | vadmeste | what's the diffrence betwwen linux-image-2.6.32-3-686_2.6.32-9_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.32+25_i386.deb ? |
| 14:58.21 | Altreus | try knoppix. That's based on debian IIRC |
| 14:58.32 | Da_Wrecka | eh, it's no biggie like I say |
| 14:58.42 | abrotman | debian has a liveCD |
| 14:58.50 | Da_Wrecka | I'm installing Debian on my mother's old Inspiron 1501 that she's just replaced. |
| 14:59.00 | Da_Wrecka | Which will replace the Inspiron 1000 I'm typing on right now |
| 14:59.08 | Da_Wrecka | Said Inspiron 1000 is connected to my LAN with CAT5 |
| 14:59.19 | Da_Wrecka | So if the 1501's wireless doesn't work under Windows it's not big deal |
| 14:59.24 | Da_Wrecka | err, doesn't work under Debian rather |
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| 15:00.22 | Da_Wrecka | I already know that Debian on the craptop is a no-go unless I can get a different WNIC |
| 15:00.22 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release squeeze |
| 15:00.23 | judd | linux-image-2.6-686 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686. |
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| 15:01.28 | Da_Wrecka | 1MB/s on two seperate torrents. This is why I'm not eager to ditch Virgin Media. |
| 15:01.29 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: I haven't actually seen any wireless cards that just don't work in linux. |
| 15:01.39 | Da_Wrecka | jhutchins: Well, I've got one |
| 15:01.49 | Da_Wrecka | I can't get it to work, either with the kernel driver or with ndiswrapper |
| 15:02.10 | Da_Wrecka | It's a Belkin F5D7010 ver.7000uk for the record. |
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| 15:02.21 | Da_Wrecka | I found a howto to get this thing going with ndiswrapper. |
| 15:02.24 | Da_Wrecka | It still didn't work |
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| 15:03.01 | Da_Wrecka | Oh, and my sister's netbook can't seem to connect to my WLAN either |
| 15:03.04 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I did have a b43 that didn't ever work come to think of it. |
| 15:03.12 | Da_Wrecka | Neither can my mother's new laptop come to that |
| 15:03.24 | Da_Wrecka | The internal wireless on her brand-new laptop will NOT connect to my WLAN |
| 15:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Perhaps the common element is the source of the problem. |
| 15:04.03 | Da_Wrecka | But then why do we have a Palm TX, two Windows XP laptops and a Windows 2k laptop that can all access the WLAN without problem? |
| 15:04.12 | Altreus | Ah I know this one |
| 15:04.15 | Altreus | I had the same problem |
| 15:04.27 | Altreus | It's because Windows doesn't care about certain illegal configurations of wireless networks |
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| 15:04.32 | Altreus | Illegal by the spec, not by law |
| 15:04.38 | Da_Wrecka | I guessed that much |
| 15:04.40 | Altreus | So Windows and other commercial OSes will connect |
| 15:04.55 | Altreus | But I tried until I was blue in the face to get Ubuntu to connect, and it refused |
| 15:05.09 | d1b | Altreus: is this using samba? |
| 15:05.09 | Altreus | The error message was basically, that configuration is stupid and can't possibly work |
| 15:05.21 | Altreus | no this was before networkmanager |
| 15:05.22 | Da_Wrecka | Then you're on up on me Altreus, I didn't even get an error message |
| 15:05.23 | d1b | oh sorry missed that. |
| 15:05.32 | Da_Wrecka | All I got was "DHCPDISCOVER timed out", basically |
| 15:05.47 | Altreus | Yeah, it was back when you had to jump through hoops to get the OS to even try to connect |
| 15:06.06 | d1b | Da_Wrecka: tcpdump / wireshark |
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| 15:06.39 | Da_Wrecka | Once I get Debian goingon the 1501, I'll give that a try |
| 15:06.45 | d1b | there were recent changes (iirc) to the kernel so that it picks the wifi country regulation by wifi aps around you |
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| 15:07.02 | d1b | but in 2.6.26 you shouldn't even have the problem |
| 15:07.14 | Da_Wrecka | Well, .26 was refusing to connect |
| 15:07.18 | Da_Wrecka | I wish I knew what qualified as an "illegal" configuration |
| 15:07.23 | d1b | it should have been fine |
| 15:07.27 | d1b | what are you using for your AP ? |
| 15:07.31 | hid3 | OK. I need to install only ONE PACKAGE and my system will be up and running. Is there any way to silently/permanently override dependencies for it? (yes, everything works nice, I've checked...) |
| 15:07.38 | Da_Wrecka | it's a D-link DIR-615 wireless router |
| 15:07.48 | amphi | Da_Wrecka: it associated, but wouldn't get an address by dhcp? |
| 15:08.04 | Da_Wrecka | amphi: Well, no, it didn't seem to associate at all. |
| 15:08.07 | Da_Wrecka | At least not most of the time. |
| 15:08.20 | Da_Wrecka | Some of the time iwconfig would display the right SSID |
| 15:08.24 | d1b | Da_Wrecka: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=865900 |
| 15:08.25 | Da_Wrecka | But more often than not, nothing |
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| 15:08.59 | d1b | it seems to run linux... |
| 15:09.06 | d1b | at least in some revision |
| 15:09.24 | d1b | oh the hardware looks nice |
| 15:09.59 | Da_Wrecka | heh, I never bothered with the "clone your computer's MAC address step". It's not required with Virgin. |
| 15:10.21 | Da_Wrecka | As long as you leave the cable modem off for a while, you can change the hardware connected to it while switched off and it'll re-associate no bother |
| 15:10.30 | cp | where can i configure sftp permissions? |
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| 15:10.52 | d1b | some revisions seem to be supported by dd-wrt btw |
| 15:10.52 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. I can't actually find a WPA2-only mode on this router. Maybe it needs a firmware update. |
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| 15:11.11 | Da_Wrecka | I'd rather not put dd-wrt on the router; It's not actually mine. |
| 15:11.12 | amphi | I only used a cable-modem one, it was loathsome |
| 15:11.16 | amphi | *once |
| 15:11.24 | d1b | oh right. |
| 15:11.25 | Da_Wrecka | It's basically rented from Virgin Media, same as the modem |
| 15:11.45 | d1b | doesn't use such devices. |
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| 15:12.30 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. Apparently I'm on the latest firmware, but it doesn't have an option for "WPA2-only" |
| 15:13.16 | Da_Wrecka | the Wireless Security Mode dropdown has three options; "Disable wireless security", "Enable WEP wireless security" and "Enable WPA/WPA2 wireless security" |
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| 15:13.35 | schmack | how can i connect to wifi i-net with iwlist? |
| 15:13.49 | schmack | or iw |
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| 15:13.52 | d1b | schmack: what's your question? |
| 15:14.01 | d1b | iwconfig wlanX essid "foo" |
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| 15:14.26 | AimHere | iwlist scanning tells you what you should write instead of 'foo' |
| 15:14.58 | Altreus | babilen: submitted. It might be a separate bug so I will let them decide that |
| 15:15.11 | babilen | Altreus: Thank you :) |
| 15:15.13 | Altreus | It reminded me that I couldn't install testing over the network, which I suppose is also a bug |
| 15:15.21 | Altreus | Unfortunately I cannot recall why |
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| 15:15.43 | Altreus | I think the kernel was not a powerpc executable |
| 15:15.45 | babilen | hehe :-\ |
| 15:15.50 | schmack | d1b: but with pass |
| 15:16.03 | hid3 | babilen, Kamping_Kaiser, pipeline, abrotman, wols: Thank you all for great help. The system in question is running although not upgraded. Screw those $50, I'd bet not have them and enjoy calm Easter rather than having a big headache... |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | hid3: the owner needs to undderstand the issues with staying on etch though |
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| 15:17.23 | d1b | schmack: man interfaces |
| 15:17.29 | hid3 | abrotman: the owner know the system is in rather bigger problems than just stuck with Etch. He is also considering to switch to a different webpanel and not staying with one that is at least 5+ years old. |
| 15:17.30 | babilen | hid3: And (s)he should also understand that the web panel is obsolete and *has* to be replaced ASAP with a maintained solution |
| 15:17.43 | hid3 | babilen: ^, what I said ;-) |
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| 15:18.08 | abrotman | hid3: FWIW .. dtc is in debian |
| 15:18.10 | babilen | hid3: Well, enjoy your easter and I'm happy that you managed to get it to work again |
| 15:18.25 | hid3 | Thanks, have nice holidays! ;-) |
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| 15:19.31 | DW|AFK | bbl |
| 15:22.14 | schmack | how can i connect to wifi i-net with iw? (wifi point with user and pass) ? |
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| 15:24.20 | babilen | schmack: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 15:25.43 | schmack | babilen: thanks |
| 15:26.10 | xoz | !wireless |
| 15:26.10 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 15:26.25 | xemacs4321 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.52 | whallalla | hi guys I installed debian squeeze. Then win7 does not load so I had to run the dvd and go for bootsect. It says Access Denied to partition C: . So i restarted and also GRUB 2 was gone. Now how can I fix it? I don't have a debian live, just ubuntu's |
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| 15:28.18 | d1b | whallalla: you need to reinstall grub or grub2 fro mthe sounds of it |
| 15:28.36 | whallalla | yep but can I do it using an ubuntu live? |
| 15:28.36 | maligor | that's weird |
| 15:28.51 | wols | whallalla: yes you can |
| 15:28.59 | adb | !live |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:29.14 | d1b | adb: not helpful |
| 15:29.18 | maligor | whallalla, you can also use the debian installer cd's |
| 15:29.33 | whallalla | in windos they told me to add chainloader +1 under the windows entry to make it load |
| 15:29.43 | d1b | yeah you can do that |
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| 15:29.54 | maligor | it should automagically do that |
| 15:29.57 | d1b | but win7 doesn't use boot.ini anymore |
| 15:30.08 | whallalla | mmm it does not |
| 15:30.10 | whallalla | I mean |
| 15:30.25 | maligor | ah, yes, grub2, you need to install os-prober |
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| 15:30.48 | wols | first he needs to reinstall grub before you all go off telling him to boot windows... |
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| 15:31.04 | whallalla | I installed debian, so from the grub menu it wasn't possible to start win. I tried to run bootsect.exe from the wi7 dvd but now also grub has gone |
| 15:31.21 | maligor | whallalla, if you have the debian install cd, you can use it to boot 'rescue' mode that'll give you root on the debian |
| 15:31.34 | wols | !tell whallalla about reinstall grub |
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| 15:32.43 | hsb | heyhey, I'm running into some problems with updating udev .. it requires a kernel upgrade that I can perform because, it wants me to update udev .. the thread here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566171 isn't giving me any more answers than "should be fixed", but, well, it's not fixing it for me :> |
| 15:32.53 | hsb | anyone here had similar problems and can give me any hints? :> |
| 15:33.04 | hid3 | What is better, LILO or GRUB? I prefer LILO but everyone seems to be shaming on me... |
| 15:33.17 | whallalla | ok I'll boot with deb cd and I'll try to reinstall grub. But I don't know how to fix the win problem |
| 15:33.18 | jelly-home | hid3: use the one you're comfortable with. |
| 15:33.22 | wols | hsb: you should simply follow the helpful message you get. install the proper kernel |
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| 15:33.35 | wols | whallalla: no need for the debian cd |
| 15:33.42 | wols | whallalla: dpkg told you exactly what to do |
| 15:33.48 | hid3 | jelly-home: of course I do.. But everyone around keeps telling me I'm old-school :-) |
| 15:33.49 | maligor | hid3, grub has a lot more useful features |
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| 15:34.04 | jelly-home | hid3: what do they know |
| 15:34.05 | hsb | wols, I tried, but the kernel has a requirement on the udev package :) |
| 15:34.12 | hid3 | maligor, grub hasn't got the feature that lilo -R newkernel does. |
| 15:34.22 | hid3 | at least I don't know... |
| 15:34.22 | wols | hsb: use a backports kernel then |
| 15:34.25 | jelly-home | hsb: install the kernel using dpkg -i ? |
| 15:34.33 | hsb | ach, will try, thanks :) |
| 15:34.52 | hid3 | LILO is classic ;-) |
| 15:34.53 | maligor | hid3, what's lilo -R newkernel? |
| 15:34.58 | hid3 | and classics never get old |
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| 15:35.07 | maligor | but grub2 has space invaders included! |
| 15:35.08 | jelly-home | maligor: default only for one reboot, then fall back |
| 15:35.10 | hid3 | maligor: it boots the kernel only once |
| 15:35.20 | jelly-home | hid3: and grub has that. |
| 15:35.33 | hid3 | really? how? |
| 15:35.38 | jelly-home | don't ask me how it's done tho |
| 15:35.43 | hid3 | I mean, where do I find that feature? |
| 15:35.49 | hid3 | oh.. I see |
| 15:36.05 | jelly-home | therefore -- use the one you're comfortable with |
| 15:36.09 | hid3 | still I'm more comfortable with The Classics ;-) |
| 15:36.13 | babilen | hsb: Install new kernel manually, reboot, upgrade udev, continue |
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| 15:37.39 | whallalla | well I found the usb key with the debian installed on it |
| 15:38.04 | wols | whallalla: don't use that usb stick. use the ubuntu CD |
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| 15:39.21 | whallalla | ok I'm booting |
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| 15:41.38 | whallalla | wols, I only have to run install-grub? |
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| 15:42.39 | wols | whallalla: you have to follow dpkg's factoid |
| 15:42.57 | wols | which you received 11 minutes ago |
| 15:43.40 | whallalla | wols, it says to run grub-install '(hd0)' |
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| 15:45.23 | whallalla | wols, if I run grub from the ubuntu live it doesn't work |
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| 15:46.58 | abrotman | whallalla: more details |
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| 15:49.16 | whallalla | I'm in ubuntu live, inside the mounted /root partition. I run grub and it says that the program does not exist |
| 15:50.31 | Titan8990 | the /root and rootfs ( / ) are *not* the same |
| 15:50.50 | whallalla | no I mean I'm in the / partition |
| 15:52.42 | d1b | whallalla: chroot /target iirc |
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| 15:53.08 | d1b | you need to mount the debian / to a folder |
| 15:53.14 | d1b | then you chroot that folder |
| 15:53.34 | d1b | you should also mount /boot inside if you have a /boot on a different partition |
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| 15:54.38 | whallalla | if I run chroot sda3 it says cannot run 'bin/bash' : exec format error |
| 15:55.10 | whallalla | and I'm in /media/ where sda3 is the dir where I mounted the partition |
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| 15:57.40 | whallalla | what does this Exec format error mean? |
| 15:58.18 | whallalla | maybe it's because I'm running a 32 bit live where my distro is 64? |
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| 16:00.02 | wols | whallalla: you didn't follow what dpkg told you, that's why it doesn't work |
| 16:00.44 | whallalla | wols, i didn't understand it |
| 16:00.46 | wols | and yes, you need a kernel of the same architecture as you try to the grub rescue |
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| 16:03.59 | whallalla | wols, it says to type rescue at the boot prompt but where is it? I have no boot prompt... the grub just doesn't appear. |
| 16:04.19 | wols | whallalla: it says to boot a live cd |
| 16:04.38 | wols | the factoid never ever talks about anything with rescue |
| 16:04.51 | whallalla | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html |
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| 16:05.59 | wols | whallalla: that is a link in the factoid not the factoid itself. and it tells you what you need to to do get this prompt |
| 16:06.33 | wols | the factoid tells you all you need to do, however you probably need a 64bit livecd |
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| 16:10.07 | whallalla | wols, ok so I did it without actually read it. I think I need a 64 bit which I don't have. What about super grub? |
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| 16:12.13 | wols | whallalla: is super grub part of debian? |
| 16:14.07 | abrotman | i'ts a CD you can download |
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| 16:21.11 | qasket | hello, when i do apt-get remove <package> the start up scripts remain, i even used --purge flag, what flags do i have to use to remove all scripts of a package? |
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| 16:21.58 | abrotman | qasket: which package? |
| 16:22.11 | qasket | abrotman: mysql-server |
| 16:22.16 | abrotman | qasket: which version? |
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| 16:22.30 | abrotman | (dpkg -l mysql-server .. if you don't know) |
| 16:22.42 | qasket | 5.0 |
| 16:22.50 | abrotman | that is not what it says |
| 16:23.18 | qasket | pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
| 16:23.20 | abrotman | in general, you probably removed the wrong package .. use dpkg -S to figure out which package owns that file and then purge that package |
| 16:24.08 | abrotman | in your case, it's probably something like mysql-server-5.0 or something like that |
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| 16:26.09 | qasket | dpkg -l mysql-server gives me --> pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
| 16:26.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching mysql-server gives me --> pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
| 16:26.27 | abrotman | qasket: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0 | grep Candidate |
| 16:26.42 | abrotman | and i already gave you your answer most likely |
| 16:27.00 | qasket | abrotman: Candidate: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3 |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | qasket: and if you 'dpkg -l mysql-server-5.0' .. what is the status ? |
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| 16:28.01 | qasket | abrotman: rc mysql-server-5 5.0.51a-24+len MySQL database server binaries |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | so as i said above ... purge that package |
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| 16:28.22 | qasket | abrotman: thank you |
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| 16:29.15 | cp | how do i look to see what shell a user is assigned to |
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| 16:29.56 | Titan8990 | cp: /etc/passwd will show a users default shell |
| 16:30.25 | abrotman | cp: getent passwd <user> |
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| 16:31.18 | qasket | abrotman: i was purging with apt-get, and not with dpkg, why would that make a difference? |
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| 16:31.39 | abrotman | qasket: it doesn't .. you just purged the worng package |
| 16:31.50 | cp | is there a shell that chroots a user to just their DIR? |
| 16:31.55 | meme | I am trying to use the CMS called drupal to send mail, but I think I need to enable some sort of mail program on Debian for it to work, anyone know what package that would be? |
| 16:31.57 | qasket | abrotman: well it all worked now |
| 16:32.02 | cp | so they cant access any other part of the system? |
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| 16:32.19 | abrotman | meme: you probably already have exim installed |
| 16:32.36 | Titan8990 | cp: you would have to setup a chroot environment... |
| 16:33.20 | Titan8990 | cp: rssh can do it |
| 16:33.30 | cp | yea it looks like a pain |
| 16:33.38 | cp | to setupa chroot env |
| 16:33.41 | meme | abrotman: okay thanks, it just does not seem to work with Drupal then, my Drupal site used to work on my webhost, but now that I've gone with a VPS instead, it seems to not work. It does look like exim is installed though. |
| 16:33.44 | cp | i was trying to setup rssh |
| 16:33.58 | abrotman | meme: it may need to be configured correctly |
| 16:34.25 | Titan8990 | cp: what are your shell users doing? |
| 16:34.45 | rudi_s | cp: It's pretty easy, apt-get source libpam-chroot, the examples directory contains some nice scripts. |
| 16:35.01 | cp | Titan8990 nothing really |
| 16:35.02 | abrotman | meme: start with 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
| 16:35.05 | cp | i just want it that way |
| 16:35.13 | cp | there is no reason for them to have access to anything else |
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| 16:35.20 | meme | okay, thanks abrotman |
| 16:35.42 | Titan8990 | cp: if you have no reason for the users to login to a shell, don't give them one at all |
| 16:35.58 | Titan8990 | cp: give them the /sbin/nologin shell or something |
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| 16:37.04 | cp | well i want them to be able to access there shell |
| 16:37.19 | cp | just dont want them snoopin around outside the /home/user dir |
| 16:38.03 | Titan8990 | cp: they need to access the shells but they do nothing? |
| 16:38.08 | cp | yea |
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| 16:38.16 | cp | EGGDROPS |
| 16:38.19 | cp | or |
| 16:38.21 | cp | etc |
| 16:38.27 | cp | start them restart them |
| 16:38.28 | cp | etc |
| 16:38.57 | Titan8990 | so they are shell accounts that will be used for IRC? |
| 16:38.59 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 16:38.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:39.21 | cp | lol |
| 16:39.26 | cp | yes |
| 16:39.35 | Titan8990 | I would setup rssh jails... |
| 16:39.57 | cp | ok |
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| 16:42.26 | rudi_s | Titan8990: Thanks, I didn't know rssh can do it. |
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| 16:43.39 | Medalgod | guys what's wrong with the HTTP request "GET /tsadmin/latest.ver HTTP/1.1" when issued over telnet? |
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| 16:44.52 | lindi- | Medalgod: it lacks Host header |
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| 16:45.02 | lindi- | Medalgod: it is mandatory in HTTP 1.1 |
| 16:45.22 | Medalgod | right, would that slot in before the virtual file path? |
| 16:45.25 | bzed | Medalgod: why do you use telnet? there are more appropriate tools for such things |
| 16:45.38 | lindi- | Medalgod: huh? |
| 16:45.57 | Medalgod | where would the header go? (rephrased) |
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| 16:46.24 | bzed | Medalgod: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616.html |
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| 16:46.53 | bzed | Medalgod: again - why do you use telnet? homework? |
| 16:46.57 | Medalgod | @bzed its easy to code for telnet functionality and use it to check a program is the latest version against a version number gotten over a HTTP request - or thats what im thinking |
| 16:47.05 | Medalgod | and ty for the doc |
| 16:47.17 | bzed | Medalgod: much more easy to use something != telnet |
| 16:47.24 | Medalgod | like? |
| 16:47.28 | bzed | Medalgod: what about wget -O ? |
| 16:47.44 | Medalgod | it needs non-unix functionality :p |
| 16:47.49 | Medalgod | damned windows users^^ xD |
| 16:47.50 | bzed | Medalgod: or if you're interested on the internals of the http request, use python? :) |
| 16:48.12 | bzed | install cygwin on windows and you have egt :P |
| 16:48.21 | Medalgod | im not planning on learning a new language just for one feature rofl |
| 16:48.51 | Medalgod | @bzed im not sure the users would like me if i specified they had to install cygwin (which is a pain at the best of times) |
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| 16:52.00 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.29 | adb | never touched an g4 before |
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| 16:56.14 | cheako | Can any one compare nntpgrab with brag or ubh? |
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| 16:57.52 | Medalgod | ive had a a read of the "resource identified by a request" section of the doc bzed gave me, and -as far as i can tell- if the requestURL specified is absolute no host header should be required. So where am i going wrong with: |
| 16:57.53 | Medalgod | GET servers.clanigf.co.uk/tsadmin/latest.ver /HTTP/1.1 |
| 16:58.05 | cheako | nice -n13 ionice -c 3 daemon -n brag4 -D "$HOME" -o daemon.info -- brag -q -c -o "${HOME}/data/alt.binaries.dvd.anime" -t 4 -l user@binverse.com -p pass -s news.binverse.com -g alt.binaries.dvd.anime |
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| 16:58.39 | cheako | Can any one comment on the command? Does it look good, is there anything missing or something else I should do? |
| 16:58.48 | Morpheuss | do we have aufs support in the 2.6.30 kernel ? |
| 17:00.07 | cheako | Morpheuss: I have aufs in my kernel. |
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| 17:00.40 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 17:00.47 | Morpheuss | hi rajeshsr |
| 17:00.49 | rajeshsr | am installing a .deb package with dpkg -i |
| 17:01.04 | rajeshsr | it breaks with some dependency problem.. |
| 17:01.15 | Morpheuss | cheako; which version of kernel you are using ? |
| 17:01.15 | rajeshsr | any way to resolve the dependency from the repo? |
| 17:01.29 | cheako | 2.6.31-1-686 |
| 17:01.33 | Morpheuss | install the package from repo ? |
| 17:01.50 | amphi | rajeshsr: install the package[s] required to satisfy the dependencies |
| 17:01.59 | rajeshsr | Morpheuss, well, it isn't available! Had to backport it.. |
| 17:02.13 | rajeshsr | amphi, yeah, any way to automate it? |
| 17:03.03 | Morpheuss | rajeshsr; i dont think so |
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| 17:03.40 | abrotman | cheako: that's a fair bit out of date and has security issues |
| 17:04.22 | Azeotrope | s |
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| 17:06.06 | rajeshsr | Morpheuss, hmm, ok. Thanks |
| 17:07.41 | Gellert | looking for openvpn as license hack! :) |
| 17:11.11 | meme | thanks abrotman, the setup did the trick |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | good |
| 17:11.45 | pflanze | Am I misremembering or is there now a way to close all (or rather a range of) filehandles without having to iterate to everything up to maxfd or so? |
| 17:12.14 | pflanze | (something Linux specific) |
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| 17:14.56 | sopparus | can rsync use something other then ssh for remote sync? |
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| 17:15.18 | pflanze | yes, check for RSYNC_RSH or something, in the manpage. |
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| 17:15.53 | Gellert | slaps doubleclic_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.05 | doubleclic_ | :S |
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| 17:17.10 | doubleclick | balkanian ISPs ftl :) |
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| 17:22.45 | mikeshultz | Where can I find 'bzip2-headers'? |
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| 17:26.11 | amphi | mikeshultz: libbz2-dev |
| 17:26.28 | mikeshultz | amphi: Thank you. |
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| 17:36.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: the one in squeeze (2.6.32-3-686) has security issues as well, fwiw |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | fewer |
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| 17:37.13 | _fliXR- | hi |
| 17:37.17 | jelly-home | different, perhaps |
| 17:37.54 | _fliXR- | anyone here as experience with adobe flash x64 on debian? if i watch a video on youtube for example my systems crashes after a while... |
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| 17:38.23 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: the whole OS? Not just the browser? |
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| 17:38.31 | _fliXR- | the whole os shuts down |
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| 17:38.41 | _fliXR- | but only if i use flash |
| 17:38.48 | _fliXR- | else it runs 24/7 ;) |
| 17:38.51 | jelly-home | how does it shut down? |
| 17:38.57 | _fliXR- | fresh netinstall |
| 17:39.10 | _fliXR- | dunno i got shutdown message in terminal |
| 17:39.20 | _fliXR- | so... normal shutdown i think |
| 17:39.24 | abrotman | make sure it's up to date |
| 17:39.31 | penrod | greetings, I am transfering several hundred g from one raid array to a new one. I am noticing a number of files are denied access and upon a closer look, I see questions marks for permissions and file size and date, are these retrievable ? |
| 17:39.37 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: can you inspect the cpu temperatire and fan working? |
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| 17:40.29 | _fliXR- | jelly-home: nope |
| 17:41.04 | _fliXR- | any tool you can recommend for that? |
| 17:41.07 | jelly-home | penrod: that sounds vaguely like filesystem errors. Check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log output. Did the copying process succeed? How did you copy the data? |
| 17:41.08 | benny-` | penrod: did you made a fsck before |
| 17:42.02 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: not really, I only know where to check it on a thinkpad |
| 17:42.14 | penrod | I moved the old array to the new box to make copying faster, mounted the partition and just a straight cp -vpr to the new raid partition |
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| 17:43.01 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: is there anything in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/? cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature ? |
| 17:43.27 | _fliXR- | there is |
| 17:43.35 | _fliXR- | temperature: 53 C |
| 17:43.56 | _fliXR- | and critical is 109 |
| 17:43.59 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: check if it rises rapidly on CPU usage. |
| 17:44.10 | jelly-home | that means "running flash" in your case |
| 17:44.51 | _fliXR- | ok i'll run flash and take a look at top ok? |
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| 17:45.14 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: top didn't display that information last time I looked. |
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| 17:46.03 | _fliXR- | i wana look if cpu usage goes higher when using flash |
| 17:46.12 | _fliXR- | if not how could the temperature grow up?! |
| 17:46.52 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: I suggest watching the temperature instead, but whatever |
| 17:46.59 | _fliXR- | watch cat temperature |
| 17:47.01 | _fliXR- | :) |
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| 17:48.15 | jelly-home | penrod: if it was a freshly formatted filesystem, it's unusual to develop fs errors. What did the kernel say? |
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| 17:54.12 | _fliXR- | 80 C after 1 minute youtube |
| 17:54.13 | _fliXR- | ... |
| 17:54.36 | jelly-home | _fliXR-: you could be having fan issues |
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| 17:55.22 | Flashtek | i'm getting a collision between base-files and sysvinit. how do i resolve ? |
| 17:55.22 | _fliXR- | :( |
| 17:55.29 | Ging | i installed a package and accidentally deleted a config file for it i've tried removing the package and reinstalling but it does not restore the file |
| 17:56.04 | Flashtek | Ging: try removing with --purge |
| 17:56.13 | Flashtek | or, dpkg -P packagename |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | !tell Ging about confmiss |
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| 17:58.17 | Ging | thank Flashtek |
| 17:58.29 | Flashtek | Ging: i guess that did the job then :) |
| 17:58.55 | penrod | jelly-home: the errors are from reading the old raid , the new raid has brand new disks and is fine. |
| 17:59.37 | Ging | yeah |
| 17:59.44 | Flashtek | good good |
| 17:59.59 | Rienzilla | hey |
| 18:00.03 | Flashtek | anyone got any ideas on my li'l issue ? |
| 18:00.12 | Rienzilla | is it possible to netboot the debian installer? |
| 18:00.20 | abrotman | Flashtek: which version of debian ? |
| 18:00.22 | Flashtek | Rienzilla: yes |
| 18:00.29 | abrotman | Rienzilla: yes .. look in the installation manual |
| 18:00.31 | Flashtek | abrotman: moving from lenny to grip |
| 18:00.40 | abrotman | to grip ? |
| 18:00.44 | Rienzilla | I did, but I don't understand what files to supply to the netbooting machine |
| 18:00.45 | Flashtek | aye |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | !tell Flashtek about overwrite |
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| 18:01.09 | Rienzilla | there's kernels and initrd's, but I can only supply one filename as the tftp boot image? |
| 18:02.09 | Flashtek | Rienzilla: how much do you know about net booting ? |
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| 18:02.31 | Rienzilla | well, I know enough to supply a boot image to a netbooting client via tftp |
| 18:02.42 | Flashtek | thats more than most :) |
| 18:02.45 | Rienzilla | i.e. the necessary services are up and running |
| 18:02.47 | iolo | ;] |
| 18:03.59 | Rienzilla | but if I supply a kernel, where will the kernel get it's initrd in turn? |
| 18:04.07 | Flashtek | Rienzilla: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO.html |
| 18:05.18 | Flashtek | biab |
| 18:05.27 | Rienzilla | that suggest booting debian with floppies :) |
| 18:06.11 | Caelum | my aptitude has been at '99% [Working]' the past 10 minutes |
| 18:06.16 | Caelum | is it borked? |
| 18:06.22 | abrotman | Caelum: hit ctrl-c .. do it again |
| 18:06.32 | Caelum | tries |
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| 18:07.18 | Caelum | cool that worked :) |
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| 18:12.20 | Flashtek | Rienzilla: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 18:24.52 | Sripa | hey ppl |
| 18:25.01 | Sripa | I am a newbie and I need some help |
| 18:25.06 | babilen | !ask |
| 18:25.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:25.08 | Sripa | apt-get install apache2 doesnt work |
| 18:25.12 | Sripa | Any ideas ?? |
| 18:25.22 | babilen | !bat |
| 18:25.22 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 18:25.58 | Sripa | okay, will have it in a jiffy |
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| 18:26.50 | babilen | good :) |
| 18:26.55 | Sripa | debian:~# apt-cache policy |
| 18:26.56 | Sripa | Package files: |
| 18:26.56 | Sripa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.56 | Sripa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.56 | Sripa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.56 | Sripa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.40 | dutchfish | hi, what is the retention time op QA.d.o webinterface before it will show an new upload of a package when it is not DSA related? |
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| 18:28.53 | abrotman | Sripa: paste.debian.net |
| 18:28.59 | Sripa | yeah ok, sorry |
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| 18:29.22 | abrotman | Sripa: which country are you in ? |
| 18:29.23 | Sripa | When I use apt-get install apache2 it doesnt connect to ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 18:29.26 | Sripa | India |
| 18:29.58 | abrotman | Sripa: maybe try using mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in |
| 18:30.21 | Sripa | I am pretty new to debian, I will post the sourcelist |
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| 18:30.29 | Sripa | jus lemme know what changes I need to do |
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| 18:31.22 | Sripa | here is my sourcelist http://paste.debian.net/67321/ |
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| 18:31.53 | abrotman | Sripa: so when you do an 'aptitude update' .. what happens ? |
| 18:31.54 | Sripa | abrotman..you see that ? |
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| 18:32.41 | Sripa | It says connecting to ftp.us.debian.org and hangs! |
| 18:33.52 | Sripa | I think I have a prob with my sourcelist but donno wat and how to change the parameters |
| 18:34.11 | Sripa | I will be grateful If you can provide me with an apt sourcelist, I stay in INDIA |
| 18:34.21 | Sripa | I prefer an australia server though :P |
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| 18:34.46 | Da_Wrecka | ...well this is pants. Any time I try to play sound on the Inspiron 1501, the active application locks up |
| 18:34.52 | Sripa | abrotman ? |
| 18:35.18 | abrotman | Sripa: it sounds like you have a problem with your network |
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| 18:35.39 | abrotman | Sripa: debian.org/mirrors/list .. a large number to choose from |
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| 18:36.10 | Sripa | yes, but I donno wat to change in the sourcelist |
| 18:36.35 | Sripa | I can ping to all websites with no problem, so my network should be fine right ? |
| 18:37.24 | abrotman | ping all what websites? make sure you're pinging the same IP |
| 18:38.14 | Sripa | I ping to www.google.com and it works fine |
| 18:38.18 | Sripa | I mean, my network is fine |
| 18:38.30 | Sripa | but I got probs with the sourcelist repository |
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| 18:38.48 | Sripa | And if I change the us to au in the link, I have few unmet dependencies |
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| 18:39.37 | help-me-pls | hello |
| 18:40.34 | Sripa | abrotman ? |
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| 18:40.58 | abrotman | Sripa: so try another mirror besides ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:41.07 | Sripa | I did |
| 18:41.17 | Sripa | But it misses few dependencies in that case |
| 18:41.19 | help-me-pls | anyone around |
| 18:41.46 | abrotman | help-me-pls: lots of people, just ask your question |
| 18:41.50 | abrotman | Sripa: show us, in a pastebin |
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| 18:43.31 | Sripa | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/67323/ |
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| 18:43.49 | abrotman | Sripa: change your mirror |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | there's sometihng wrong with your network, or you're using a proxy |
| 18:44.20 | help-me-pls | yeah. so i just deleted all the files in this list http://pastebin.ca/1855965 YES that includes /usr ... is all lost? btw i cant see anything on my screen unless it's hilighted so please use my handle when replying to me so i know someone has responded. thanks in advance |
| 18:44.37 | Sripa | No, I am not using any proxy |
| 18:44.38 | help-me-pls | so basically i deleted /usr |
| 18:44.44 | Sripa | Is the server down by any chance ? |
| 18:45.14 | Sripa | When I change the mirror to australia it shows http://paste.debian.net/67324/ |
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| 18:45.48 | abrotman | help-me-pls: use your bakcup |
| 18:45.53 | unicoder | this is weird, my /dev/fb0 and /dev/fb/0 devices don't exist |
| 18:45.59 | help-me-pls | done have one |
| 18:46.05 | unicoder | and no matter how hard I try, I can't find anything to tell me how to create them |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | Sripa: you have to do an aptitude update first |
| 18:46.10 | help-me-pls | reinstall? |
| 18:46.16 | unicoder | help-me-pls: me? no thanks :-p |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.34 | abrotman | help-me-pls: aptitude reinstall "~i" |
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| 18:46.42 | abrotman | if that will work |
| 18:46.49 | help-me-pls | not sure how. i dont have dpkg or aptitude or apt-get or synaptic.... |
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| 18:47.31 | help-me-pls | abrotman: i was trying to unpack a deb of aptitude, but you need dpkg for that and i dont have dpkg |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | you can use 'ar x foo.deb' |
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| 18:48.16 | help-me-pls | bash: ar: command not found |
| 18:48.19 | help-me-pls | really. everyting in /usr is gone |
| 18:48.28 | daltio12 | guys how i add route in debian |
| 18:48.35 | abrotman | help-me-pls: is 'busybox' available ? |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | daltio12: man route |
| 18:48.55 | help-me-pls | yeah |
| 18:49.15 | daltio12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.15 | daltio12 | cess the mail server 10.157.8.2 what routes should i add,my vpn ip on 1 machine is 18.18.18.1 and on 2 machine is 18.18.18.5 , i add route on 2 machine route add -host 10.157.8.2 gw 18.18.18.1 |
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| 18:49.21 | abrotman | again ... |
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| 18:49.27 | abrotman | help-me-pls: busybox has ar in it |
| 18:49.34 | daltio12 | am doing this give me error SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 18:49.47 | help-me-pls | ar: applet not found |
| 18:49.50 | help-me-pls | not mine... |
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| 18:50.05 | help-me-pls | it's a small file right? |
| 18:50.54 | daltio12 | abortman? |
| 18:51.04 | help-me-pls | abrotman: you using lenny? |
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| 18:51.20 | abrotman | help-me-pls: i don't see how that's relevant ? |
| 18:51.29 | abrotman | daltio12: what? |
| 18:51.38 | laurus | I have a laptop running Debian, and when I run cpufreq-info I see that the current policy is set to ondemand. I'd like to change it to conservative; how do I do that? |
| 18:51.47 | help-me-pls | well, my busybox does not have ar included |
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| 18:52.07 | daltio12 | can u hep me |
| 18:52.16 | Vasistha | !u |
| 18:52.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:52.19 | abrotman | daltio12: man route .. i told you |
| 18:52.32 | dutchfish | laurus: cpufreq-set -g [governer] and read man page |
| 18:52.39 | laurus | dutchfish, ah, thanks! |
| 18:52.50 | reapper | hi |
| 18:52.59 | daltio12 | see i am getti ng this error can u explian i know how route works , but this seems odd |
| 18:53.01 | reapper | i have a big problem and can`t resolve it |
| 18:53.08 | hideo | wtf is a debain? |
| 18:53.11 | abrotman | help-me-pls: i thought it had ar |
| 18:53.42 | reapper | i want to install lighttpd, but port 80 is in use because apache2 use it, how can i fully remove apache2 ? it is no longer useful for me, |
| 18:53.42 | help-me-pls | ~$ busybox ar ar: applet not found |
| 18:53.57 | reapper | i typed apt-get remove and aptitude purge and nothing happened |
| 18:54.11 | abrotman | help-me-pls: i see that now |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | reapper: aptitude remove apache2 .. that hsould be enough, unless it wasn't install by your package manager |
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| 18:54.45 | Vasistha | reapper: it may be easier if you run 'aptitude' and use the slick ncurses interface to get through the conflicts |
| 18:54.45 | reapper | it wasn`t enough |
| 18:54.47 | wols | !remove apache |
| 18:55.01 | abrotman | reapper: fuser -n tcp 80 .. what's using it ? |
| 18:55.06 | reapper | vasistha can you be more specific ? |
| 18:55.07 | dutchfish | laurus: you need cpufrequtils installed for that |
| 18:55.07 | wols | reapper: remove apache2-common |
| 18:55.11 | reapper | apache2 |
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| 18:55.25 | laurus | dutchfish, it seems to be installed and working. However, I switched it, but the fan is still going pretty strong... does this mean I should reduce the speed manually? |
| 18:55.28 | Vasistha | reapper: run 'aptitude' from the command line with no parameters. |
| 18:55.32 | laurus | I just want to stop the computer from being so hot :P |
| 18:55.37 | Vasistha | !tell hideo -about debian |
| 18:55.57 | hideo | Vasistha: I know what debian is, just not wtf debain* is |
| 18:56.02 | reapper | and for fuser it says 2565 2589 2590 2591 2593 2743 2744 2746 2748 2749 3002 |
| 18:56.25 | dutchfish | laurus: fans are not controlled by it, just frequency, also see fancontrol and acpi |
| 18:56.42 | Vasistha | laurus: a good first step might be to see what processes are throttling the cpu, rather than changing the policy (although the latter probably won't hurt, but may not actually help) |
| 18:56.45 | laurus | dutchfish, right, but if the computer is running less hot, the fan will run less, right? |
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| 18:57.00 | laurus | Vasistha, well there's hardly anything running on my computer right now except XChat, a music player, and Iceweasel :P |
| 18:57.02 | Vasistha | hideo: I would guess it's a typo or ignorant misspelling |
| 18:57.13 | dutchfish | laurus: sure, but acpi state will have a bigger impact |
| 18:57.15 | reapper | Vasistha: and what should i go in aptitude ? installed packages ? |
| 18:57.28 | Vasistha | laurus: check htop to find out what's using the cpu |
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| 18:57.34 | wols | reapper: I told you what to remove above |
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| 18:57.44 | reapper | sorry, |
| 18:57.46 | laurus | Vasistha, you mean top? |
| 18:57.48 | reapper | didn`g see |
| 18:57.52 | reapper | let me try |
| 18:57.53 | dutchfish | laurus: also run powertop to find the cpu hoggers |
| 18:57.58 | Vasistha | reapper: yeah, remove apache and install lighttpd -- the interface can help you resolve the conflicts |
| 18:58.08 | hideo | Vasistha: astute as always |
| 18:58.19 | Vasistha | laurus: actually I mean htop -- it is a wonderful interface to top, lets you sort by cpu usage or memory usage or a host of other things |
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| 18:58.49 | reapper | wols apache2-common isn`t installed |
| 18:58.53 | laurus | Vasistha, neat, just installed it. Also, dutchfish, I'm trying powertop now |
| 18:59.05 | dutchfish | laurus: good luck |
| 18:59.15 | laurus | Thanks! |
| 18:59.22 | Da_Wrecka | oh rock on, the b43-fwcutter package downloads and extracts the firmware automatically. Sweet! |
| 18:59.36 | laurus | Vasistha, the funny thing is that there's hardly anything taking up CPU |
| 18:59.58 | reapper | and Vasistha aptitude doesn`t see the apache2 |
| 19:00.05 | Vasistha | laurus: well then maybe the governer is the problem after all |
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| 19:00.19 | Vasistha | reapper: press forward slash to create a search |
| 19:00.35 | dutchfish | laurus: some procceses can also prevent idle state or acpi lowering state, powertop will warn about that |
| 19:00.36 | laurus | Vasistha, from powertop I get: "Wakeups-from-idle per second: 554.4" |
| 19:00.59 | laurus | "extra timer interrupt" and "vlc: do_nanosleep" seem to account for 60% of that |
| 19:01.13 | dutchfish | there you go |
| 19:01.15 | laurus | What is "Enable USB autosuspend" |
| 19:01.16 | laurus | ? |
| 19:01.20 | reapper | only libraries found |
| 19:01.24 | reapper | delete it ? |
| 19:01.36 | dutchfish | i think read about those first |
| 19:01.40 | laurus | Ok I will :) Thanks |
| 19:01.48 | reapper | Vasistha ? |
| 19:01.55 | Vasistha | reapper: I can't say, without knowing which ones they are... but probably. Another thing you can do is mark lighttpd for installation and see which conflicts come up, and resolve them |
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| 19:02.44 | laurus | Wow, so VLC was the culprit... |
| 19:03.25 | iceroot | any reeason why the people here say "use aptitude" and in the debian-security-mails "use apt-get" can be found? |
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| 19:03.51 | laurus | Thanks a lot, dutchfish and Vasistha ! |
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| 19:03.58 | dutchfish | yw |
| 19:04.00 | Vasistha | laurus: np |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | iceroot: i'll guess their templates are out of date? .. aptitude has been the recommended tool for a few releases |
| 19:04.08 | reapper | Starting web server: lighttpd2010-04-03 19:47:42: (network.c.345) can't bind to port: 80 Address already in use |
| 19:04.34 | Titan8990 | reapper: you already have something listening on port 80 |
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| 19:04.39 | iceroot | abrotman: ok |
| 19:04.41 | Vasistha | reapper: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 19:04.44 | reapper | YES I know |
| 19:04.58 | abrotman | iceroot: or you could ask #debian-security on irc.oftc.net if anyone is around |
| 19:05.04 | hideo | reapper: then why paste the same error over and over again? |
| 19:05.20 | reapper | because i can`t kill it or anything else |
| 19:05.23 | iceroot | abrotman: i will ask him myself if i see him next week why he is writing apt-get |
| 19:05.23 | reapper | i can`t remove it |
| 19:05.35 | Titan8990 | reapper: can't remove what? |
| 19:05.42 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, if network-manager is pants, does anyone know what I should install instead? |
| 19:05.43 | abrotman | iceroot: see 'him' ? |
| 19:05.53 | Da_Wrecka | I know someone in this channel told me, but I can't remember for the life of me |
| 19:06.05 | iceroot | abrotman: i am working with one of them and he was using apt-get in his mail |
| 19:06.06 | abrotman | Da_Wrecka: wicd ? |
| 19:06.07 | wols | Da_Wrecka: wicd perhaps? |
| 19:06.12 | Da_Wrecka | That'd be it, ta |
| 19:06.14 | abrotman | iceroot: okay |
| 19:06.23 | reapper | netstat -np -l doesn`t say what is listening on 80 |
| 19:06.27 | reapper | apache2 is stopped |
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| 19:06.38 | Da_Wrecka | "couldn't find package wicd", sigh |
| 19:06.40 | wols | reapper: netstat -anp |grep LIST |grep 80 |
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| 19:06.46 | wols | reapper: run this as root |
| 19:07.02 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: you can add to your sources.list deb http://apt.wicd.net debian extras |
| 19:07.03 | jelly-home | judd: versions wicd |
| 19:07.04 | judd | wicd -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-2; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-2 |
| 19:07.11 | Da_Wrecka | ta |
| 19:07.13 | reapper | than what ? |
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| 19:07.20 | wols | reapper: what did it show? |
| 19:07.22 | reapper | i ran and nothing |
| 19:07.25 | reapper | nothing |
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| 19:07.33 | wols | then nothing listens on port 80 |
| 19:07.42 | reapper | so i type |
| 19:07.44 | Vasistha | ooh, there is a backported version of wicd, nice |
| 19:07.50 | reapper | aptitude install lighttpd |
| 19:08.09 | reapper | and it says what i paste above that 80 is in use |
| 19:08.33 | Da_Wrecka | You're laughing at me, aren't you God? |
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| 19:08.40 | reapper | so what is wrong =_='' |
| 19:08.45 | reapper | i have no ideas |
| 19:08.48 | Da_Wrecka | "Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed!" |
| 19:08.50 | reapper | anything looks like clear |
| 19:08.55 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 19:08.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:09.04 | Titan8990 | reapper: wols told you to run a command |
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| 19:09.12 | reapper | i made it! |
| 19:09.19 | reapper | Titan, |
| 19:09.26 | reapper | and it didn`t show anything |
| 19:10.04 | reapper | i said that before Titan |
| 19:10.09 | hideo | what does "fuser -vn tcp 80" say? |
| 19:10.41 | reapper | any ideas titan? |
| 19:11.05 | Titan8990 | reapper: what hideo just said |
| 19:11.18 | reapper | oh i didn`t see him |
| 19:11.33 | reapper | hideo nothing |
| 19:11.33 | help-me-pls | anyone got busybox with 'ar' compileld in? |
| 19:11.41 | Titan8990 | reapper: as root |
| 19:11.42 | help-me-pls | msg me please. thanks in advance |
| 19:11.45 | reapper | as root |
| 19:11.53 | reapper | i`m not so stupid, |
| 19:12.04 | abrotman | help-me-pls: you could extract the dpkg on another system, and then copy it over |
| 19:12.08 | reapper | i just need some basic knowledge |
| 19:12.23 | reapper | and every manual that i read didn`t worked |
| 19:12.27 | help-me-pls | ... |
| 19:12.37 | hideo | I dunno, typing in fragments instead of complete sentences give people some misconceptions about your intelligence. |
| 19:13.22 | help-me-pls | abrotman: i cant connect to another system. sftp and ssh both rely on libcrypto.x.x |
| 19:13.36 | abrotman | help-me-pls: usb drive ? |
| 19:13.56 | reapper | sorry hideo, i didn`t mean that |
| 19:14.16 | reapper | but i it is really needed |
| 19:14.21 | reapper | and i cannot do this |
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| 19:14.24 | Da_Wrecka | Christ on a crutch! I should've installed GNOME, at least that one seemed to work! |
| 19:15.20 | Da_Wrecka | Couldn't get a net connection on that machine, but at least wicd would bloody run |
| 19:15.47 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: I feel for ya, man, getting wireless working can be a pain. Do you have any idea what radio your card has? |
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| 19:16.09 | reapper | guys? |
| 19:16.31 | Da_Wrecka | The one that doesn't work at all is a Belkin F5D7010 if memory serves; The newer one has a Broadcom chipset of some sort. |
| 19:16.44 | Da_Wrecka | The Broadcom seems to work, but I can't get a bloody network manager to run |
| 19:16.45 | hideo | reapper: I'm out of ideas, I've tried installing lighttpd it worked fine. So maybe the problem is not with the package. Only other reason I see is that your box is owned and the tools have been replaced. |
| 19:16.50 | Vasistha | reapper: it's very difficult to figure out what the trouble is, because you don't type in complete sentences. There's little fragments here and there where you type 3 words and press enter. |
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| 19:17.11 | reapper | so what information i missed ? |
| 19:17.17 | reapper | i can show you the machine console |
| 19:17.51 | hideo | reapper: I doubt rebooting would fix it either? |
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| 19:18.01 | reapper | wouldn`t i tried it |
| 19:18.15 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: broadcom support varies... anyway, do you see the interface if you type ifconfig -a ? |
| 19:18.17 | hideo | reapper: nmap it from another machine. |
| 19:18.38 | Da_Wrecka | Vasistha: I can do iwlist scan and it returns an AP. |
| 19:18.43 | reapper | nmap ? |
| 19:18.52 | hideo | reapper: port scan it |
| 19:18.52 | Da_Wrecka | It's not the AP I want to connect to, but it's an improvement over the Belkin, which returns nothing at all |
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| 19:19.08 | Titan8990 | reapper: nmap -sS -p80 <ip> |
| 19:19.09 | reapper | i don`t have the possibility |
| 19:19.20 | Titan8990 | reapper: multiplatform... |
| 19:19.26 | reapper | 89.107.152.229 |
| 19:19.30 | reapper | the adress of machine |
| 19:19.31 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: ah, nice, so the wireless card is definitely functioning. But you say wicd won't start up. Did you remove networkmanager? |
| 19:19.41 | Da_Wrecka | apt-get removed networkmanager |
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| 19:19.55 | reapper | Titan, it`s only debian there |
| 19:20.18 | reapper | it is dedicated |
| 19:20.28 | Titan8990 | reapper: and why can't you scan it? |
| 19:20.52 | reapper | under vista ? how can i do it ? |
| 19:21.01 | reapper | i cannot install any programs on this pc |
| 19:21.05 | Titan8990 | install nmap, run the command i just said |
| 19:21.11 | jim_james | what channel is it on |
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| 19:21.32 | zok | How can I get my computer to use the DVI output instead of VGA? |
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| 19:21.38 | zok | I know it's an xorg configuration thing |
| 19:21.42 | zok | I just don't know what to look for :/ |
| 19:21.46 | kdasdasf | Linux hostname 2.6.9-023stab048.6-enterprise #1 SMP Mon Nov 17 19:09:18 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux <-- is this a debian or an ubuntu system? |
| 19:21.51 | lindi- | zok: which card? |
| 19:21.54 | Titan8990 | zok: don't plug the VGA in is an easy fix |
| 19:21.56 | reapper | one big question Titan, are we talking about installing nmap on debian there ? |
| 19:22.03 | jim_james | might be different country code |
| 19:22.09 | reapper | because from my machine that i am talking is impossible |
| 19:22.11 | jim_james | not seeing the channle |
| 19:22.13 | Da_Wrecka | okay, wicd is running now |
| 19:22.15 | jim_james | channel* |
| 19:22.18 | Da_Wrecka | Apparently I needed to reboot |
| 19:22.18 | Titan8990 | kdasdasf: that is a rhel openvz kernel |
| 19:22.23 | zok | lindi-: it's integrated to the motherboard - how can I find this out? |
| 19:22.28 | lindi- | zok: lspci? |
| 19:22.30 | Titan8990 | kdasdasf: that doesn't say what kind of OS the openvz guest is however |
| 19:22.36 | kdasdasf | Titan8990, no definitiv nor redhat |
| 19:22.42 | kdasdasf | ah |
| 19:22.46 | kdasdasf | damn |
| 19:22.51 | Titan8990 | kdasdasf: the host is most likely |
| 19:22.52 | kdasdasf | how can i find out which os? |
| 19:22.52 | jelly-home | kdasdasf: lsb_release -a |
| 19:22.54 | simonrvn | 2.6.9 ? |
| 19:23.05 | simonrvn | shudders |
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| 19:23.16 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: rhel4, still supportefd |
| 19:23.17 | kdasdasf | thanks jelly-home |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-home | !tell kdasdasf about version |
| 19:23.19 | zok | lindi-: looks like its an ati |
| 19:23.22 | kdasdasf | it's a debian etch |
| 19:23.30 | reapper | Titan you saw my sentence ? |
| 19:23.35 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: they still support a 2.4 kernel on centos 3 |
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| 19:23.53 | Vasistha | Da_Wrecka: yeah, as much as we hate to reboot, sometimes it's the easiest way to just get stuff working |
| 19:23.58 | Da_Wrecka | hah! Associated and IP received! |
| 19:23.59 | Titan8990 | simonrvn: err rhel/centos 3 |
| 19:24.04 | Da_Wrecka | BIG improvement over the other machine |
| 19:24.05 | Vasistha | woot! |
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| 19:24.19 | simonrvn | crazy |
| 19:24.30 | Da_Wrecka | It's just a pity I was planning to use this laptop while physically connected to the LAN ;) |
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| 19:24.57 | lindi- | zok: http://paste.debian.net/67329/ lets me use both dvi and vga on different monitors |
| 19:25.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.29 | hideo | reapper: speak in the channel please, no pm. |
| 19:25.46 | reapper | ok sorry |
| 19:25.53 | reapper | can you scan this ip for me ? |
| 19:25.54 | simonrvn | adb: if the proc was dead it wouldn't be making any sound except beep beep bop bop bop, dropping in pitch. |
| 19:25.55 | reapper | 89.107.152.229 |
| 19:26.02 | reapper | because i cannot do it myself |
| 19:26.17 | hideo | reapper: on the machine that you are sshing to, do this: echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc -v localhost 80 | head -n 10 |
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| 19:26.20 | adb | simonrvn, cool , thanks |
| 19:26.25 | Titan8990 | reapper: no |
| 19:26.45 | simonrvn | adb: wouldn't have video either |
| 19:26.46 | reapper | this is what i want to hear |
| 19:26.49 | reapper | thx hideo |
| 19:27.07 | hideo | reapper: and don't paste the results in here, use pastebin |
| 19:27.52 | adb | simonrvn, i tested different video cards ? |
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| 19:28.12 | reapper | can you remind me the pastebin command ? |
| 19:28.22 | simonrvn | adb: still talking about if the processor was dead |
| 19:28.28 | Titan8990 | !pastebinit |
| 19:28.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 19:28.56 | Da_Wrecka | Now I need to figure out why applications lock up when they try to use the soundcard |
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| 19:28.58 | reapper | thx |
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| 19:29.21 | Flashtek | of buggeration.. |
| 19:29.33 | adb | simonrvn, i don't get it , sorry |
| 19:30.15 | reapper | bash: localhost: no such command |
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| 19:30.44 | hideo | reapper: copy verbatim what I had up there, after the : |
| 19:30.46 | Titan8990 | try again without typos? |
| 19:31.16 | reapper | only 1 line appeared |
| 19:31.26 | reapper | localhost [127.0.0.1] 80 (www) : Connection refused |
| 19:31.26 | simonrvn | adb: if the proc was dead it would make that sound and there would be no video |
| 19:31.42 | reapper | pastebinit said that i am trying to send empty doc |
| 19:31.49 | Flashtek | is there a way, using dpkg, to reinstall a package..? |
| 19:32.05 | adb | simonrvn, oh , i see |
| 19:32.11 | simonrvn | not using dpkg no |
| 19:32.18 | simonrvn | aptitude reinstall foo |
| 19:32.29 | hideo | reapper: okay so no services listening on port 80, something is fucked up with your lighthhpd install then |
| 19:32.31 | Flashtek | problem, I can't install aptitude.. |
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| 19:32.51 | hideo | reapper: what release of debian? |
| 19:32.57 | reapper | squeeze/sid |
| 19:33.23 | ziarkaen | Is there any special reason why Debian uses run-parts, rather than a sh loop construct? |
| 19:33.44 | hideo | reapper: dpkg -P lighttpd |
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| 19:33.51 | hideo | reapper: then install it again |
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| 19:34.13 | reapper | just apt-get install or aptitude ? |
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| 19:34.30 | hideo | either is fine, but aptitude is prefered |
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| 19:36.01 | reapper | the same |
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| 19:36.07 | simonrvn | hey, it's my b-day, i don't have to do sweet f88k all ;) |
| 19:36.23 | hideo | !beer simonrvn |
| 19:36.23 | dpkg | pours a pint of Green Flash IPA for simonrvn |
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| 19:37.23 | Vasistha | happy birfday dude |
| 19:37.34 | hideo | reapper: not quite sure what's wrong, it's fine here when I tried it on sid |
| 19:38.19 | reapper | hideo can we work together on this specified machinve ? |
| 19:38.28 | reapper | i can do this |
| 19:38.49 | adb | simonrvn, /nick simonrvn_bday ;) happy b-day! |
| 19:39.01 | hideo | reapper: I'm out of ideas |
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| 19:40.12 | reapper | ... :( |
| 19:40.28 | reapper | wait i will pastebin the whole installation |
| 19:41.01 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 19:41.21 | hideo | reapper: try to set its port to another one, does it work? |
| 19:41.31 | Vasistha | reapper: which version of debian are you using? lenny? |
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| 19:41.41 | reapper | http://pastebin.com/dzSwDRad |
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| 19:41.45 | reapper | sid/squeeze |
| 19:41.56 | reapper | i dunno how set it before instalation |
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| 19:42.49 | reapper | if you doesn`t understand some word in polish just ask |
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| 19:43.06 | hideo | reapper: log in english please, "LANG=C aptitude install lighttpd" |
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| 19:44.17 | reapper | http://pastebin.com/ad09UznW |
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| 19:45.59 | reapper | so maybe now something is more clear |
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| 19:47.13 | hideo | reapper: "LANG=C apt-cache policy lighttpd" |
| 19:48.14 | reapper | http://pastebin.com/F9Ae5v3P |
| 19:48.16 | adb | reapper, hey your apt is still on lenny : debian_dists_lenny_main_ .. |
| 19:48.33 | reapper | ????? |
| 19:48.37 | Vasistha | reapper: why don't you pastebin your sources.list, it looks like that may be causing problems |
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| 19:49.10 | hideo | ^^ |
| 19:49.15 | reapper | can you remind me the path |
| 19:49.16 | adb | reapper, have to finish you upgrade 'and ...711 not upgraded.' |
| 19:49.19 | Vasistha | reapper: /etc/apt |
| 19:49.21 | krisfremen | hey there, i upgraded to squeeze last night, and up until now, i've had no luck in enabling XVideo |
| 19:49.40 | amphi | krisfremen: mplayer -vo xv doesn't work? |
| 19:49.41 | reapper | apt-get upgrade ? |
| 19:49.47 | hideo | reapper: looks like you're mixing releases |
| 19:49.50 | krisfremen | amphi: nope, goes straight to x11 |
| 19:49.57 | Vasistha | reapper: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:50.10 | adb | , lenny->squeeze |
| 19:50.11 | amphi | krisfremen: even if you specify -vo xv ? |
| 19:50.18 | adb | !lenny->squeeze |
| 19:50.41 | reapper | lol i have no privilages to view sources from root :D |
| 19:50.42 | krisfremen | amphi: yes |
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| 19:50.59 | hideo | what? |
| 19:51.06 | krisfremen | xvinfo says no adapters present |
| 19:51.06 | amphi | krisfremen: what does xvinfo say? |
| 19:51.15 | Vasistha | reapper: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:51.25 | amphi | krisfremen: what card is that? |
| 19:51.29 | krisfremen | but xdpyinfo says taht XVideo extension is loaded |
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| 19:51.50 | reapper | http://pastebin.com/64wFdEjH |
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| 19:51.53 | krisfremen | Ati radeon X1300 |
| 19:52.09 | krisfremen | i had xvideo working fine under lenny a few days ago |
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| 19:52.32 | amphi | anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 19:52.32 | krisfremen | under squeeze, doesn't even budge |
| 19:52.40 | krisfremen | amphi: no errors at all |
| 19:52.44 | whalalla | guys I have grub2 and not grub. The procedure for reinstalling in are the same? |
| 19:52.45 | Vasistha | reapper: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 19:54.06 | krisfremen | it's weird because lenny supported it, but squeeze won't |
| 19:54.36 | whalalla | !grub |
| 19:54.36 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 19:54.38 | Vasistha | reapper: I will note that, judging by the state of your sources.list, you definitely should not be running squeeze/sid. |
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| 19:54.44 | reapper | http://pastebin.com/cR9CsYgV |
| 19:54.45 | lolololo | hi, how well does debian work on linux? I had some trouble with ubuntu and power management. thanks |
| 19:54.47 | Vasistha | krisfremen: sometimes stuff is broken in squeeze |
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| 19:54.56 | reapper | Vasistha why do you assume that ? |
| 19:54.57 | lolololo | I mean, on a laptop |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | lolololo: you'll have to be more descriptive |
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| 19:55.44 | babilen | lolololo: That really depends on your laptop - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ for more information |
| 19:55.48 | Vasistha | lolololo: depends on the laptop. Out-of-the-box support varies too. e.g. for my T42, I had to do quite a bit of custom configuration to get everything working; however it does all work quite well when configured. And that was a while ago... could be with newer versions, things will work better out-of-the-box |
| 19:55.53 | lolololo | my laptop didn't resume from suspend, also didn't have cool 'n quiet |
| 19:55.55 | lolololo | ok thanks |
| 19:56.21 | babilen | lolololo: Works perfectly out of the box on my T60 |
| 19:56.39 | whalalla | guys how do I reinstall grub 2? |
| 19:56.47 | lolololo | ok I'll look at that info thanks |
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| 19:56.55 | Vasistha | reapper: because your sources.list is not well-formed and you didn't remember where it is. squeeze/sid is not for the faint of heart. Furthermore it looks like you are not running a current libc6 |
| 19:56.55 | krisfremen | so that means i can't get xvideo working?? |
| 19:56.57 | jim_james | t60 newer than a r40 babilen ? |
| 19:57.27 | hideo | reapper: when was the last time you update/upgrade, libc6 version 2.9-25, the one you have, isn't available anywhere, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libc6 |
| 19:57.53 | babilen | jim_james: yes, and a different product line |
| 19:58.04 | jim_james | not an ibm |
| 19:58.18 | reapper | i`m not the only person using this machine |
| 19:58.21 | Vasistha | reapper: that said, since you've already upgraded out of lenny, there is now no turning back. I would recommend taking all of the lenny sources out of your sources.list and perhaps the sid one as well |
| 19:58.56 | jim_james | i like ibms but they are expensive new |
| 19:59.07 | reapper | so i don`t know exact all about it |
| 19:59.13 | Vasistha | jim_james: you can get a refurbished one for not too much |
| 19:59.16 | hideo | reapper, Vasistha libc6 2.9-25 was out 16 Aug 2009 |
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| 19:59.47 | jim_james | yeah Vasistha |
| 19:59.52 | Vasistha | reapper: your lighttpd is most likely not working because you have not been keeping your testing system up to date, and the packages have gotten out of sync with each other |
| 20:00.13 | reapper | fuck....... |
| 20:00.16 | reapper | sorry |
| 20:00.45 | whalalla | I'm trying to reinstall grub 2 inside sda2 but it says: Embedding is not possible. Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. If you really want blocklists use --force |
| 20:01.03 | reapper | but is it any possibility to resolve this problem ? |
| 20:01.09 | reapper | not formating the pc ? |
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| 20:03.16 | jim_james | a netbook is tempting with the battery life but the screen is too small |
| 20:03.49 | hideo | !tell reapper about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:03.55 | amphi | jim_james: wait for the ARM-based netbooks ;) |
| 20:04.19 | jim_james | you got a link to that amphi ? |
| 20:04.33 | amphi | jim_james: there are hardly any yet |
| 20:04.44 | jim_james | ok |
| 20:05.12 | reapper | hideo i need more stupid proof solution |
| 20:06.03 | reapper | i need just to do exact the things bot said ? |
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| 20:07.19 | whalalla | to dualboot with wi7 I just need to chainload +1 in grub.cfg? |
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| 20:08.25 | hideo | reapper: yes, and I assume you know what this mean? "s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list" |
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| 20:08.40 | reapper | your assumtion is wrong |
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| 20:08.51 | dean` | why are there two separate programs -- pdf2ps and pdftops? |
| 20:08.54 | whalalla | or can someone tell me smt about dualbooting? I can't start my win7 installation from the grub entry |
| 20:09.04 | hideo | reapper: it means change every instance of lenny to squeeze |
| 20:09.23 | reapper | yes but is any automatic way to do this ? |
| 20:09.41 | reapper | this machine works only to do this - lighttpd and rtorrent and wtorrent |
| 20:10.42 | reapper | and i am compleetely n00b at so things |
| 20:11.04 | reapper | like s/lenny/squeeze |
| 20:11.38 | adb | jim_james, > #efika |
| 20:11.59 | adb | jim_james, #EFIKA * |
| 20:12.02 | luminoso | wich package provides "repo" command? |
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| 20:12.21 | jim_james | ty adb |
| 20:12.41 | Da_Wrecka | okay correction, Debian will play a sound when the machine boots, but anything else locks up for no apparent reason |
| 20:12.53 | adb | jim_james, #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:14.47 | Da_Wrecka | What the fuck was that? Did anyone else just get a random query from soneone who's not even on any channel you are? |
| 20:15.18 | adb | from who? |
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| 20:15.34 | whalalla | how can I dual boot win 7 and debian using grub2? I can only access my deb installation. Any idea? |
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| 20:15.40 | reapper | hideo ? |
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| 20:15.45 | Da_Wrecka | BRENTONto_go is ~nn@ool-18ba96b3.dyn.optonline.net * nnn |
| 20:15.45 | Da_Wrecka | BRENTONto_go using gibson.freenode.net Oslo, Norway |
| 20:15.46 | Da_Wrecka | BRENTONto_go End of /WHOIS list. |
| 20:15.47 | ZeZu | Da_Wrecka, it locks up the box, or it locks up the app ? |
| 20:15.47 | reapper | last advice ? can i ask ? |
| 20:15.51 | adb | !sunday |
| 20:15.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 20:15.56 | Da_Wrecka | ZeZu: Just the app thankfully |
| 20:16.03 | hideo | reapper: what? |
| 20:16.11 | ZeZu | Da_Wrecka, what audio deamon ? |
| 20:16.21 | Da_Wrecka | Err... not sure. How do I find that? |
| 20:16.38 | ZeZu | debian lenny? |
| 20:16.49 | reapper | about removing APT source you mean delete the source list entries ? |
| 20:16.52 | help-me-pls | sorry. someone say something to me? |
| 20:16.54 | reapper | all of tem ? |
| 20:16.57 | Da_Wrecka | I think it's Lenny. 5.0.4 at any rate |
| 20:16.57 | help-me-pls | abrotman? |
| 20:16.58 | reapper | them * ? |
| 20:17.15 | hideo | reapper: no, do *exactly* what the bot told you |
| 20:17.36 | adb | hideo, he can't |
| 20:17.53 | reapper | adb! you have right! :) |
| 20:17.57 | ZeZu | I forget what debian uses for audio ? |
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| 20:18.03 | hideo | why not? |
| 20:18.03 | ZeZu | hopefully not pulse |
| 20:18.11 | reapper | adb, can i talk to you on PM ? |
| 20:18.21 | adb | reapper, no |
| 20:18.31 | reapper | this is the rule here ? |
| 20:18.42 | simonrvn | debian doesn't use any (i.e., there's no default) |
| 20:18.57 | ZeZu | Da_Wrecka, if you have it avail does speaker-test work ? |
| 20:19.02 | ZeZu | somo, thanks |
| 20:19.09 | zleap | Flashtek, hi |
| 20:19.10 | outlaw84 | I am tying to install a package that is dependin on python 2.4, if I force dpkg to install the package it works, the the application works fine, but APT-still wants me to install python2.4 |
| 20:19.11 | ZeZu | bah, simonrvn, sorry |
| 20:19.17 | abrotman | help-me-pls: what? |
| 20:19.29 | Da_Wrecka | ZeZu: Yes, it does |
| 20:19.38 | Da_Wrecka | Produces a lot of static, but it does work without locking up |
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| 20:20.14 | ZeZu | yes IIRC thats what it plays is white noise |
| 20:20.17 | ZeZu | or pink noise or smth |
| 20:20.23 | ZeZu | so what is locking up on you ? |
| 20:20.28 | ZeZu | perhaps its OSS |
| 20:20.49 | ZeZu | if there is no daemon, then the apps are using alsa or oss directly |
| 20:21.13 | Da_Wrecka | Noatun and the KDE Control Centre "Test Sound" |
| 20:22.39 | ZeZu | not sure what Noatun is , perhaps try something else, or check what kde expects |
| 20:22.50 | ziarkaen | Why isn't there a syslog config file in /etc? |
| 20:22.51 | ZeZu | if you do install a daemon , dear god used jack |
| 20:23.04 | ZeZu | not pulse |
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| 20:23.11 | ziarkaen | Oh wait. rsyslog... |
| 20:23.27 | Da_Wrecka | Noatun is the default media player, it seems |
| 20:23.34 | whalalla | can someone explain me how to dualboot with deb squeeze grub2 and win7? Now I can't access my win partition! |
| 20:23.38 | aguitel | how to hold the kernel version |
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| 20:23.50 | ZeZu | ah well just install amarok or mplayer or vlc |
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| 20:24.09 | ZeZu | and the media modules (restricted and all the goodies) |
| 20:24.14 | aguitel | whalalla, in root:update-grub |
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| 20:24.48 | whalalla | aguitel, nono I can only access my deb installation. Sorry |
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| 20:25.22 | krisfremen | ok.. i got somewhere, i'm getting weird messages in dmesg |
| 20:25.30 | aguitel | whalalla, you have terminal ? |
| 20:25.41 | krisfremen | platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: requesting radeon/R520_cp.bin |
| 20:25.54 | whalalla | I can normally access my debian partition. But not my win7 one |
| 20:26.05 | krisfremen | where the hell do i get that? |
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| 20:26.31 | krisfremen | tried googling for it, found nothing |
| 20:26.33 | aguitel | whalalla, you are in squeeze now? |
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| 20:26.40 | whalalla | yes |
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| 20:26.50 | whalalla | I need to know how to set the grub.cfg |
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| 20:27.30 | aguitel | whalalla, make this with root:aptitude install grub2 && update-grub2 |
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| 20:28.38 | whalalla | it is already installed |
| 20:28.40 | aguitel | whalalla, you make fresh install of squeeze? |
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| 20:29.40 | aguitel | whalalla, o you upgrade from lenny? |
| 20:29.50 | help-me-pls | ok. can someone just dcc me libcrypto.so.0.9.8 pls. i'm really out of options. or post the file somewhere. before you ask i cant extract myself because i deleted my /usr directory. ALL OF IT. someone suggested unpacking on a different machine then copying over, but i cant connect to a different machine because without 'sftp' or 'ssh', which both rely on libcrypto.so.0.9.8: |
| 20:30.02 | help-me-pls | hilight me if you say something to me. otherwise i wont see it |
| 20:30.10 | help-me-pls | text isn't appearing on my screen either |
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| 20:30.34 | whalalla | well i installed deb after win7. Now deb works and win7 does not boot. i tried to run bootsect.exe but did not work so I had to reinstall grub. Dunno how to make windows work |
| 20:30.50 | aguitel | whalalla, if you upgrade from lenny type this :upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 20:31.31 | whalalla | I don't get why you're making me doing this. I think it's a problem inside the grub.cfg in the windows entry |
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| 20:37.28 | Vasistha | whalalla: if you run update-grub2 it ought to automatically detect your windoze partition and make an entry for it in the cfg |
| 20:37.48 | Vasistha | whalalla: ...and installing it, to make sure you've got the most up-to-date version of grub2 |
| 20:38.44 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, so mplayer is able to play an MP3 file without locking up... |
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| 20:39.21 | Da_Wrecka | And an MPG file... |
| 20:39.25 | mcurrington | Da_Wrecka: I have also found mpg123 good for playing mp3s and internet MPEG based streams. |
| 20:40.31 | Researcher | is now away: You Can find me on Dalnet/Freenode/IrcNet/Efnet/GameSuge/Ircbox.com |
| 20:41.41 | Da_Wrecka | okay... So I guess I need to find out how to make mplayer be automatically used for playing any media file I load from the file manager |
| 20:43.34 | adb | who annoying that Researcher .. |
| 20:43.41 | dutchfish | whalalla: if you installed grub2 you maybe also want to know about os-prober when you have win on the disk |
| 20:43.59 | whalalla | I'm updating it |
| 20:44.01 | dutchfish | whalalla: see grub2 suggests |
| 20:44.07 | whalalla | !grub2 |
| 20:44.08 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition , <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>. #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:45.41 | Da_Wrecka | And I just got another spam message from the same cunt. |
| 20:45.46 | Da_Wrecka | Go go gadget /ignore |
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| 20:46.21 | hideo | Da_Wrecka: if it's spam, report it to #freenode |
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| 20:47.05 | ZeZu | Da_Wrecka, i dont remember if there are file associations in the options |
| 20:47.32 | ZeZu | but perhaps in kde you can right click on a type and there are options , open with , and option in that widget to set default |
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| 20:54.33 | whalalla | ok installed and updated but when I select windows it just restarts grub |
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| 21:00.51 | Vasistha | strange. hmm. I unfortunately have no experience with grub2, but I would be inclined to just try booting and see what happens... is there an easy way to get a command line in grub2? And do you know which device windows is installed on? |
| 21:02.45 | Vasistha | whalalla: check this out... maybe it can help you http://superuser.com/questions/102532/how-can-i-make-grub2-boot-into-windows-7 |
| 21:03.03 | Vasistha | whalalla: in particular notice the comments at the very end |
| 21:05.45 | outlaw84 | I am tying to install a package that is dependin on python 2.4, if I force dpkg to install the package it works, the the application works fine, but APT-still wants me to install python2.4 |
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| 21:08.45 | smacnay | any word on the sid server coming back on line? |
| 21:09.07 | hideo | smacnay: http://ftp-master.debian.org/timeline |
| 21:09.16 | smacnay | hideo, thanks |
| 21:09.41 | Vasistha | outlaw84: well... it's possible to install both python 2.4 and python 2.5 simultaneously. Could be that, although it looks like things are working fine, there is some functionality that will break with the python libs you are using -- so yes, apt will keep complaining that there is a broken dependency |
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| 21:09.53 | Vasistha | outlaw84: why don't you just install python 2.4? |
| 21:10.12 | outlaw84 | Vasistha: its not possible to install python2.4 in unstable, nor testing |
| 21:10.22 | outlaw84 | its removed |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | outlaw84: so fix the package |
| 21:10.57 | nsadmin | you can build it, you can possibly find archived copies of the debianized source |
| 21:11.04 | outlaw84 | I know there is some easy fix for it, I think channel-bot even has the fix. But I can't find it |
| 21:11.48 | nsadmin | you mean you haven't found it yet |
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| 21:12.42 | outlaw84 | I know the fix is there, but I can't remeber the name of the topic |
| 21:13.34 | nsadmin | who would know the fix? |
| 21:13.35 | outlaw84 | I had this problem like a few mouths ago, asked the quiestion here and someone had the bot say the answer |
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| 21:15.05 | nsadmin | what dist are you running now? |
| 21:15.05 | outlaw84 | newly installed unstable |
| 21:15.11 | babilen | outlaw84: Just download the source package and fix the package dependencies, or forget about the .deb and install it into a virtualenv with pip ... |
| 21:15.16 | babilen | outlaw84: Where is the .deb from? |
| 21:15.51 | nsadmin | why unstable? |
| 21:16.04 | nsadmin | do you code and test things? |
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| 21:17.18 | outlaw84 | babilen: Its VirtualBox I am trying to install, I tried the latest package from several sources |
| 21:17.45 | outlaw84 | nsadmin: I like having the latest stuff, and besides python2.4 is removed from testing aswell |
| 21:18.15 | babilen | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 21:18.16 | judd | virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.4-dfsg-2; sid: 3.1.4-dfsg-3 |
| 21:18.39 | babilen | outlaw84: Why don't you install the version that is shipped with sid? |
| 21:18.40 | nsadmin | so you're running into a fairly minor problem here... which you should be able to solve. by running unstable, you're claiming to have some expertise in doing so |
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| 21:21.10 | nsadmin | not just generic linux experience, but also debian-specific expertise, including back/foreporting, you know your shell and compiler tools like the back of your hand, you've ported at least 10 packages and had to actually alter some to fix. |
| 21:21.15 | babilen | outlaw84: Or rather: Why don't you run a stable system and install the version available from backports? |
| 21:21.16 | whalalla | now I have grub2 installed but no way to get win7 installation work properly |
| 21:21.25 | abrotman | whalalla: works for me! |
| 21:21.34 | babilen | whalalla: did you check the post pointed out to you earlier? |
| 21:23.20 | nsadmin | some here will say you have no business running unstable... but I don't. instead, I leave it to you to question the wisdom of running unstable without this kind of experience, and to question what's going to happen in the times when you run into situations no one else has seen yet |
| 21:23.49 | hideo | ^ preach! |
| 21:24.23 | babilen | outlaw84: I can only ask you again: Why don't you install the version that is shipped with sid? |
| 21:25.24 | nsadmin | hideo: I'd rather do that than be hostile |
| 21:25.32 | ziarkaen | hosts.allow/hosts.deny are not takign immediate effect? What do I need to do? |
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| 21:26.04 | hideo | nsadmin: was just joking =) |
| 21:26.21 | whalalla | babilen, yeah I did. i just dunno how to edit the grub.cfg file. I mean I have my win7 installation on sda1 but what do I write in set root(hd0,?)? Now it's hd(0,0) |
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| 21:27.12 | nsadmin | the numbering is supposed to start from 1 |
| 21:27.39 | outlaw84 | babilen, nsadmin: thanks for the help you offered |
| 21:28.09 | babilen | outlaw84: I just asked questions :-\ |
| 21:28.54 | nsadmin | , versions python2.4 |
| 21:28.55 | judd | python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch2; etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch3; lenny: 2.4.6-1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 21:29.08 | nsadmin | the sources are findable |
| 21:29.29 | outlaw84 | I get, E: Package python2.4 has no installation candidate |
| 21:29.58 | nsadmin | shower time! |
| 21:30.26 | outlaw84 | and for virtualbox-ose the vboxdrs are not building and I think I does not have usb-sharing support which I need |
| 21:31.32 | ziarkaen | tcpwrappers is not working, I have ALL: ALL in hosts.deny, but am still able to connect to lighttpd instance... |
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| 21:33.40 | whalalla | oh my gosh. I setted hd(0,1) and ran update-grub and now it boots normally! |
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| 21:35.11 | ziarkaen | tcpdmatch http myotherpc says access is denied, but it is still letting e connect... |
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| 21:39.36 | Tramp | ziarkaen: I don't see libwrap0 in the dependencies of lighttpd - what makes you think it uses libwrap? |
| 21:40.45 | ziarkaen | OK. What is the simplest firewall system that will work like tcpwrappers? |
| 21:41.50 | J11 | Is it possible to run anything other than potatoes with 16MB RAM? |
| 21:42.28 | ziarkaen | J11, check out DSL or another router-esque distro |
| 21:44.19 | Tramp | tcpwrappers has nothing to do with firewalling. tcpwrappers works after the connect, firewalls inhibit the connection |
| 21:45.01 | ziarkaen | Tramp, Got that now. |
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| 21:49.09 | gauge | window level ALL -PARTS -JOINS -QUITS |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | gauge: you're doing it wrong |
| 21:50.40 | J11 | ziarkaen: I shall try it, currently it runs potatoes great, but doesn't run software that needs a newer kernel |
| 21:50.42 | gauge | HA. TOO TRUE |
| 21:50.56 | gauge | damn irssi. |
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| 22:01.10 | krisfremen | hmm, how come `xset -b` won't turn off the beeping? |
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| 22:02.24 | krisfremen | setterm -blength 0 also doesn't work |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | !bell |
| 22:02.48 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>. |
| 22:03.01 | krisfremen | i tried that |
| 22:03.04 | krisfremen | doesn't work |
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| 22:06.17 | ziarkaen | krisfremen, Buy some earplugs? |
| 22:06.34 | krisfremen | ziarkaen: heh... |
| 22:06.56 | babilen | krisfremen: This is strange, it worked on every machine i had access to so far ... |
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| 22:07.16 | krisfremen | it worked on lenny for me |
| 22:07.26 | krisfremen | but i'm on squeeze on this computer |
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| 22:07.39 | babilen | yeah, on squeeze laptops as well |
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| 22:08.56 | krisfremen | even disabling PC Beep in alsamixer doesn't work |
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| 22:10.25 | krisfremen | ok, rmmod pcspkr worked |
| 22:10.28 | krisfremen | that'll do |
| 22:11.11 | babilen | !pcspkr |
| 22:11.12 | dpkg | The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4. |
| 22:11.35 | krisfremen | yeah, blacklisted it already |
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| 22:12.38 | babilen | strange that neither xset nor setterm -blength 0 worked though ... but blacklisting pcspkr is also one of the first things I always do .. *who* wants these beeps? |
| 22:12.40 | nsadmin | why would a running linux system beep while it's running? I heard something about iptables or something in the kernel detecting some kind of attack... anything to this? |
| 22:13.05 | babilen | never heard (about) that |
| 22:13.24 | krisfremen | i'm almost never at home, so beeps just annoy me when i am home |
| 22:13.59 | amphi | !qotd89 |
| 22:13.59 | dpkg | <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 22:14.29 | Gellert | yo guys |
| 22:14.42 | nsadmin | woody beep baybee |
| 22:14.44 | Gellert | I'm really looking for some openvpn access server license tricks or hackz. |
| 22:14.58 | Gellert | anone? |
| 22:14.58 | krisfremen | lol |
| 22:15.00 | Gellert | anyone?! |
| 22:15.01 | Gellert | :D |
| 22:15.03 | babilen | Gellert: What? |
| 22:15.15 | krisfremen | hackz?! |
| 22:15.18 | Gellert | yep! |
| 22:15.23 | nsadmin | Gellert learn to code, form your own tricks |
| 22:15.29 | Gellert | nono! |
| 22:15.30 | babilen | Gellert: wrong channel? |
| 22:15.33 | Gellert | nooo! |
| 22:15.33 | Gellert | :D |
| 22:15.47 | nsadmin | that's the MOST POWERFUL thing that can be said to you, consider yourself lucky |
| 22:15.48 | krisfremen | script kiddies |
| 22:16.07 | Gellert | :( |
| 22:16.07 | nsadmin | if you learn, you'll get it. if you don't, you WON'T. |
| 22:16.38 | nsadmin | (paraphrased from Howard Roberts, who founded Musician's Institute) |
| 22:16.55 | Gellert | :( |
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| 22:17.09 | Gellert | bad bad lazy bad guys @ #debian :( |
| 22:17.17 | krisfremen | ... |
| 22:17.27 | nsadmin | true... I'm too lazy to help a lazybones :P |
| 22:17.45 | Gellert | >.< |
| 22:17.47 | Gellert | comon' |
| 22:17.49 | nsadmin | oshit, I also don't have time |
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| 22:18.41 | nsadmin | go learn perl. I'm going to go meet 20 new women tonite. BAI! |
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| 22:19.23 | Gellert | 20?:D |
| 22:19.36 | Gellert | u gonna get some kernal panic from 20 women. |
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| 22:19.53 | hugo_dc | hi |
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| 22:21.14 | buntfalke | How to get sth like the load value of uptime with a higher temporal resolution? |
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| 22:21.26 | hugo_dc_ | hi |
| 22:21.52 | hugo_dc_ | do you know why I can't connect to ftp.mx.debian.org? |
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| 22:23.00 | buntfalke | hugo_dc_: seems down |
| 22:24.29 | dutchfish | hugo_dc_: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 22:24.29 | hugo_dc_ | buntfalke yep |
| 22:24.43 | Bop | anyone uses xarchiver here ? |
| 22:25.10 | nsadmin | Gellert maybe. but I do it every day. that's about 150 a week and 600/month. |
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| 22:25.48 | Bop | i have a bug using thunar and xarchiver , wondering if its well known |
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| 22:30.03 | babilen | Bop: Check the BTS |
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| 22:30.21 | Bop | what's the url , babilen ? |
| 22:30.25 | babilen | !bts |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 22:32.20 | Bop | babilen, not listed ... what can i use instead of xarchiver and squeeze ? |
| 22:32.20 | npoektop | hi! my debian behaves strangely, i think it's because of Adobe Flash. After reboot it works just fine, but after a while system slows down, and i can't do anything. I do #init 1 and then init 2, but nothing helps. Except complete reboot. What can i do with it? |
| 22:32.59 | babilen | Bop: file-roller for example if you want a GTK UI |
| 22:33.12 | Bop | ok , ill try |
| 22:33.30 | babilen | Bop: It would also be great if you report the bug - /msg dpkg reportbug and /msg dpkg report-bugs |
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| 22:34.27 | Bop | ok |
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| 22:35.08 | npoektop | and also i can not use skype after that moment of system slowdown |
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| 22:38.25 | jhutchins | npoektop: Toggling init levels is not effective in debian unless you've set them up for something specific. |
| 22:38.27 | Vasistha | npoektop: install htop and run it, and see if you can figure out which process is crunching the cpu |
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| 22:39.43 | npoektop | jhutchins, i thought #init 1 is single user, and it's almost reboot |
| 22:39.57 | npoektop | Vasistha, i'll try it now, thank you |
| 22:39.58 | jhutchins | npoektop: Not in debian. |
| 22:40.01 | master | installed debian lenny as tar tells me there is no bzip2 installed... I cannot find the package that has it.. |
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| 22:40.16 | jhutchins | npoektop: afaik, unless you set it up that way. |
| 22:40.18 | master | How can I install bzip2 so I can unpack some tarballs? |
| 22:40.41 | Vasistha | master it should be the bzip2 package |
| 22:41.01 | babilen | !tell master about search |
| 22:41.06 | jhutchins | npoektop: I take it back, sorry. Relatively new to Debian, though not to linux. |
| 22:41.10 | master | Vasistha: apt-get install bzip2 says there is no such package |
| 22:41.25 | jhutchins | npoektop: Obviously whatever your problem is isn't in init. |
| 22:41.33 | master | babilen: I searched before i asked.. |
| 22:41.46 | babilen | ,versions bzip2 |
| 22:41.48 | jhutchins | npoektop: So, obvious step, take it to 1 and see what's still eating CPU. |
| 22:41.48 | judd | bzip2 -- etch: 1.0.3-6; lenny: 1.0.5-1; sid: 1.0.5-4; squeeze: 1.0.5-4 |
| 22:41.50 | master | both apt-cache search and also google.. a |
| 22:42.01 | babilen | master: Well, you should have that package |
| 22:42.25 | Vasistha | master: first of all, we recommend aptitude rather than apt-get. Also perhaps it is in contrib? Although I wouldn't expect so. Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 22:42.37 | master | apt-get install bzip2 results in: E: Couldn't find package bzup2 |
| 22:42.40 | master | ah ha.. |
| 22:43.14 | master | ok.. i got it.. |
| 22:43.23 | Vasistha | yeah, I see. Good job, heh |
| 22:43.28 | babilen | master: What was it? |
| 22:43.35 | Vasistha | typo, bzup |
| 22:43.35 | babilen | bzup2 vs bzip2 ? |
| 22:43.36 | npoektop | nothing eats my cpu, top shows 90 percent idle |
| 22:43.48 | master | babilen: yes..... |
| 22:43.52 | babilen | npoektop: Also check iotop |
| 22:43.55 | Vasistha | npoektop: well, are you observing the problem right now, the slowdown? |
| 22:44.04 | babilen | master: Always the little things :) |
| 22:44.23 | Vasistha | npoektop: oh... and also check your memory usage. If you run out of memory and start swapping, that will make a very slow system |
| 22:44.24 | npoektop | Vasistha, yes, i'm on the slowed down system now |
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| 22:44.40 | npoektop | no, lots of free memory |
| 22:44.47 | Scramblejams | Hi all. Are we in squeeze freeze now? |
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| 22:45.10 | babilen | npoektop: What does iotop give you? |
| 22:45.16 | babilen | Scramblejams: no |
| 22:45.57 | npoektop | a minute, i'm installing it |
| 22:46.19 | Vasistha | Scramblejams: there is a problem with a server of some sort, thus no updates. I think /msg dpkg ries has info, but I could be wrong |
| 22:46.31 | babilen | Vasistha: You are not |
| 22:46.34 | Scramblejams | Ahh, thank you, that explains it. |
| 22:47.12 | babilen | "it" :) (the never asked question) |
| 22:47.21 | dutchfish | abrotman: if you drag it with left mouse on the lower bar, its almost instantly |
| 22:47.22 | amphi | "Process the full incoming queue. [...] (all done)" \o/ |
| 22:47.24 | Scramblejams | :-) |
| 22:47.28 | nsadmin | it? |
| 22:47.35 | dutchfish | oops, xpost, sorry |
| 22:47.40 | abrotman | dutchfish: yeah .. that is how i did it :) |
| 22:47.41 | babilen | hooray for Ganneff! |
| 22:47.51 | Gellert | comon guys |
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| 22:48.01 | Gellert | I'm damn fuck'n really need some openvpn AS license haxx. |
| 22:48.08 | Scramblejams | nsadmin, "it" being "Why aren't I seeing package updates?" I just (erroneously) assumed the freeze had begun... |
| 22:48.30 | nsadmin | ahh :) |
| 22:49.03 | babilen | Scramblejams: Exactly - But it will be fixed this weekend/monday. So prepare for a shitload of packages. |
| 22:49.05 | abrotman | Gellert: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 22:49.46 | nsadmin | shit a prepared load of packages? |
| 22:49.53 | npoektop | babilen, iotop shows nothing. 0 percent on idle |
| 22:50.28 | babilen | npoektop: This is strange, no CPU usage, memory free/no swap and also no I/O ... |
| 22:50.48 | Vasistha | I agree, it's very odd. I wonder if he got rooted |
| 22:51.09 | Vasistha | does iotop show network access? |
| 22:51.11 | abrotman | dying disk ? |
| 22:51.24 | Vasistha | wouldn't that show up in iotop, though? |
| 22:52.09 | Gellert | abrotman dude i wanna use it under debian. so this is it. |
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| 22:52.21 | npoektop | no, disk is fine. If i reboot, everything works just great until a strange moment i can't catch |
| 22:52.48 | Vasistha | Gellert: if you are looking for "license haxx" you are asking the wrong people. |
| 22:53.16 | abrotman | Gellert: you're not even asking any questions |
| 22:53.23 | nsadmin | Gellert (dunno if you've already figured this out, so) it's just not gonna happen here... no one is gonna help you break stuff |
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| 22:53.40 | Gellert | :'( |
| 22:54.26 | Gellert | than bai :( |
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| 22:54.37 | simonrvn | boohoo, i'm playing my tiny violin |
| 22:54.53 | nsadmin | the violin says... |
| 22:54.58 | nsadmin | boo! hoo! |
| 22:55.01 | Vasistha | squeeeeeek |
| 22:55.04 | czesmir | oh boy |
| 22:55.52 | npoektop | how to get a list of loaded kernel modules? and how to unload a module? |
| 22:55.59 | Vasistha | npoektop: lsmod, and rmmod |
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| 22:56.05 | babilen | npoektop: "lsmod" "modprobe -r" |
| 22:56.13 | npoektop | thank you |
| 22:56.17 | czesmir | and how remove? |
| 22:56.24 | Vasistha | uhh |
| 22:56.29 | czesmir | rmmod? |
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| 22:56.36 | Vasistha | or modprobe -r |
| 22:56.44 | czesmir | oh |
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| 22:57.01 | czesmir | i'm drunk sorry man |
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| 22:57.18 | babilen | czesmir: Go to bed |
| 22:57.31 | czesmir | no i ahve 11:57 pm |
| 22:57.35 | czesmir | *have |
| 22:57.37 | Vasistha | the typical advice "think before you type" comes to mind, but step one would seem to be impacted |
| 22:57.39 | abrotman | czesmir: then go away |
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| 23:03.58 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 23:07.50 | Mish- | Anyone able to provide me with a sed or awk commandline to change all password in the /etc/shadow file to another string? |
| 23:08.00 | Mish- | I need to change all passwords after a potential hack. |
| 23:08.45 | nsadmin | Mish: look into newusers |
| 23:08.56 | nsadmin | I don't think you need awk |
| 23:09.57 | nsadmin | or, create password strings using crypt or md5something (someone help pls) and establish them using usermod |
| 23:10.23 | Mish- | nsadmin: 400 users on the server. Hmm. |
| 23:10.41 | nsadmin | all you? |
| 23:10.47 | nsadmin | or? |
| 23:11.06 | babilen | Mish-: "man chage" and let them change their passwords |
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| 23:11.18 | Mish- | babilen: No, I need to do it ASAP myself. :) |
| 23:11.39 | nsadmin | so you'll have to work out how to get them their new pws |
| 23:12.05 | nsadmin | but see above, at least two ideas that are likely workable |
| 23:12.26 | infinitux | uh... anybody here familiar with building rt2570 support? |
| 23:12.33 | babilen | Mish-: And why ASAP? You hopefully disconnected the server after the incident? |
| 23:12.56 | nsadmin | because he can't afford downtime? |
| 23:13.09 | babilen | !tell infinitux -about rt2570 |
| 23:13.11 | nsadmin | that would be my guess |
| 23:13.13 | babilen | infinitux: See the wiki |
| 23:13.32 | infinitux | okay... |
| 23:14.09 | babilen | nsadmin: most likely .. Still: www.silfreed.net/download/scissors/scissors.pdf |
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| 23:15.27 | Vasistha | heh, "I'm running with scissors" |
| 23:16.03 | nsadmin | nice to meetcha running. I'm bob for frenchfries |
| 23:16.11 | DammitMan | runs for another beer |
| 23:16.13 | Bethany-C | i've got an issue where apparently my package database has gotten hosed. apt-get install transmission gives me this: http://pastebin.ca/1856159 but an older version of transmission is already installed, and apt-get remove transmission doesn't find it. how do i fix this nuttiness? this is squeeze. |
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| 23:17.49 | babilen | Bethany-C: Well nothing wrong with that |
| 23:18.26 | babilen | Bethany-C: You might want to run "apt-get autoremove" or (better) use aptitude though |
| 23:18.36 | nsadmin | Bethany-C, examine output of dpkg -s transmission |
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| 23:19.07 | Bethany-C | nsadmin: "is not installed and no info is available" |
| 23:19.15 | nsadmin | hmm... |
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| 23:19.35 | Bethany-C | babilen: i am concerned that autoremove will cut an otherwise working system to the ground by removing dependencies the system doesn't know it has. |
| 23:20.05 | Tukeke | hello |
| 23:20.11 | nsadmin | I'd tend to vote for aptitude update but had you done that already? |
| 23:20.13 | Tukeke | debian users |
| 23:20.14 | Tukeke | :D |
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| 23:20.47 | Bethany-C | i have never, ever been able to get the hang of aptitude |
| 23:20.48 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 23:20.57 | Tukeke | hi |
| 23:20.59 | nsadmin | at the command line it' |
| 23:21.04 | babilen | Bethany-C: Ok, so you believe that your status file is broken? |
| 23:21.09 | nsadmin | s very similar to apt-get |
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| 23:21.22 | nsadmin | hi |
| 23:21.24 | babilen | Bethany-C: It looks as if you removed the gnome metapackage and a couple of other packages .. |
| 23:21.27 | SuperMiguel | how do i find out which /dev/ is my optical drive? |
| 23:21.45 | nsadmin | examine output of dmesg, to start with |
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| 23:22.26 | Bethany-C | babilen: possibly. i had a kde upgrade that went horribly wrong and was unable to get gnome going either. i wound up with xfce. (i run this in a vnc session, which is why kde is a problem now) |
| 23:22.32 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, in dmesg it says [ 3.900552] hda: ATAPI 1X CD-ROM drive, 32kB Cache |
| 23:22.32 | SuperMiguel | [ 3.900558] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 23:22.32 | SuperMiguel | [ 3.907364] sda5 sda6 > |
| 23:22.36 | babilen | Bethany-C: And the dependencies are still installed .. If that is indeed what you want is hard to tell, but there is nothing wrong in the output you provided. If you *know* that transmission is installed and the package system "forgot" about that, you might want to fix your status file |
| 23:22.40 | SuperMiguel | but i only have one :S |
| 23:23.23 | Bethany-C | babilen: i know transmission is installed because i have at least two instances running atm. so, where does one find directions on said status file? |
| 23:23.25 | nsadmin | so it's your primary master /dev/hda I guess? |
| 23:23.25 | babilen | Bethany-C: Well, you can "aptitude unmarkauto" all packages that you want to keep and remove the rest |
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| 23:23.54 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, how do i mount it? mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/cd says need file system |
| 23:24.00 | Vasistha | Bethany-C: if you have been using apt-get for a long time, it is a bit tricky to get converted over to aptitude, because you must mark a great number of packages as "manually installed" instead of "automatically installed" But once you go through this exercise once, it pays off really well. |
| 23:24.01 | cr3rzemjest | where can i find "netboot/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz"? i've tried to browse some repos but i couldn't find it... |
| 23:24.17 | babilen | !tell Bethany-C -about status-recovery |
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| 23:24.21 | Vasistha | SuperMiguel: well it's gonna depend what the file system type is. You can try mount -t iso9660 |
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| 23:24.31 | nsadmin | hda5? you mean someone partitioned your cd? |
| 23:24.51 | Vasistha | cr3rzemjest: maybe this will help: /msg dpkg usb boot |
| 23:24.51 | nsadmin | try mount /dev/hda /mnt/cd |
| 23:24.55 | babilen | Bethany-C: But that happens very rarely and I doubt that this is your problem. I would just install/unmarkauto packages you want to keep - but take a look at the status backup file |
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| 23:26.47 | babilen | Bethany-C: But let's take a look first - Do you still have the files installed from transmission? What does "dpkg -s transmission" and "dpkg -l transmission" give you? (pastebin) |
| 23:27.35 | cr3rzemjest | i've done everything they say here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd except i don't know where to find "netboot/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz", so i used vmlinuz and initrd from extracted netboot iso. but this doesn't work - kernel boots but then nothing happens (black screen) |
| 23:28.28 | Bethany-C | babilen: they are not installed. Package 'transmission' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 23:28.48 | babilen | Bethany-C: Well, I would say that transmission is not installed then |
| 23:29.09 | nsadmin | so the question becomes why does aptitude think it is? |
| 23:29.29 | Bethany-C | babilen: that's funny, because i've got it seeding a torrent right now. thus, my belief there's a problem somewhere. |
| 23:29.30 | babilen | it does not think that it is, because it wants to install it |
| 23:29.48 | babilen | Bethany-C: It can still run if everyhting is in memory |
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| 23:30.00 | babilen | Bethany-C: Try to run it again :) |
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| 23:30.10 | KEBA | hi there |
| 23:30.16 | babilen | welcome |
| 23:30.40 | KEBA | sid has got a scala pkg: http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/scala can i install scala in lenny, too? |
| 23:30.49 | babilen | ,versions scala |
| 23:30.51 | judd | scala -- etch: 2.3.0-1.1; squeeze: 2.7.7.dfsg-2; sid: 2.7.7.dfsg-4 |
| 23:30.58 | babilen | !tell KEBA -about ssb |
| 23:31.02 | Bethany-C | babilen: shut down and restart via the icon in xfce. works great. |
| 23:31.06 | babilen | KEBA: Try the simple binary backport |
| 23:31.23 | nsadmin | Bethany-C, could you do which transmission and show that? put a . or something first (irc thinks differently about '/' at start of line) |
| 23:31.41 | KEBA | babilen: hm, ok :) thx |
| 23:32.23 | obiwahn | what musti |
| 23:32.30 | babilen | Bethany-C: didn't you just verify that the files are gone? |
| 23:32.45 | obiwahn | do to create my user shells with lower priority |
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| 23:33.16 | babilen | obiwahn: shell with lower priority? What do you mean? |
| 23:33.27 | Bethany-C | babilen: no, becuase they aren't gone. that's what i'm asking about: package management doesn't believe transmission is installed, but it is very clearly present on the system and i did not do a source compile. ergo, something is wrong in package management. |
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| 23:33.46 | Bethany-C | http://pastebin.ca/1856174 |
| 23:34.01 | babilen | Bethany-C: Ah, than i misunderstood the "they are not installed." sorry |
| 23:34.51 | babilen | Bethany-C: Well, could you provide the output of "dpkg -l transmission" now? |
| 23:34.52 | adb | cr3rzemjest, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 23:35.39 | cr3rzemjest | adb: those are iso images |
| 23:35.50 | adb | no |
| 23:36.09 | Bethany-C | http://pastebin.ca/1856172 |
| 23:36.20 | cr3rzemjest | sorry |
| 23:36.24 | cr3rzemjest | wrong link :D |
| 23:36.37 | cr3rzemjest | i clicked, is what i mean |
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| 23:37.02 | KEBA | babilen: after adding a backports line to my sources.list and running apt-get update, i got a "W: GPG error". i would like to sign this key, but there is only a reference to the key "EA8E8B2116BA136C" and this key is to long and gpg does not accept this one... |
| 23:37.51 | KEBA | ah, i see... i have to install "debian-backports-keyring" :P ok ;) |
| 23:37.56 | babilen | KEBA: I was not talking about backports.org but rather about "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 23:37.57 | obiwahn | babilen: i want to renice my shell as soon as it is start or create it with a lower priority |
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| 23:38.19 | KEBA | babilen: |
| 23:38.23 | KEBA | "(01:31:06) babilen: KEBA: Try the simple binary backport" |
| 23:38.24 | dbb | you kicked webmin out of your distro ?!? |
| 23:38.27 | babilen | Hei all - I'm off. Have a nice night :) |
| 23:38.32 | dbb | thats dumb |
| 23:38.32 | jelly-home | !webmain |
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| 23:38.36 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 23:38.47 | babilen | KEBA: See the private message that dpkg send you 1 second before i wrote that |
| 23:38.48 | dbb | lies |
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| 23:39.02 | dbb | you can tell its a loaded topic because thats pure BS |
| 23:39.17 | abrotman | dbb: it's still not in debian, what else do you want to know about it? |
| 23:39.19 | jelly-home | dbb: please try not to troll, but keep to tech support question instead |
| 23:39.20 | Bethany-C | babilen: http://pastebin.ca/1856172 |
| 23:39.48 | KEBA | babilen: i have read that one: "First: See if the package has already been backported." so i search for backports? |
| 23:39.58 | dbb | I just found out.. it seems really dumb to me.. thats all |
| 23:40.03 | babilen | Bethany-C: I'm off - good luck |
| 23:40.18 | babilen | KEBA: I already checked - and it is not available from backports |
| 23:40.27 | babilen | KEBA: Scroll up :) |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | dbb: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 23:40.31 | dbb | I'm disappointed.. I think its poor judgement.. how about that |
| 23:40.32 | jelly-home | dbb: try looking at webmin's architecture and source code if you want to know about "dumb" |
| 23:40.40 | dbb | ok |
| 23:40.41 | yagoo | dbb, only as far as you see, there are reasons maybe you should go read them |
| 23:40.43 | dbb | we disagree |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | dbb: okay, do you need help or not? the package is not in debian, so whining about it won't help |
| 23:41.10 | dbb | later |
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| 23:41.17 | abrotman | right .. troll |
| 23:41.27 | jelly-home | orly! |
| 23:41.35 | KEBA | babilen: ah, i see. why is a package available in etch. but not in lenny? |
| 23:42.02 | npoektop | i know how to reprodice my problem with system slowdown: reboot, start opera, open http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwJetox_tU and after minute or two it will eat 100 percent cpu. $killall -9 opera, but even afer that system is slowed down, though top shows 95 percent idle |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | KEBA: it may have been too buggy at release time |
| 23:42.25 | KEBA | abrotman: ah ok :) |
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| 23:48.30 | jelly-home | npoektop: do you have not enough RAM, so that after killing the browser there's lots of stuff still paged out? |
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| 23:51.35 | npoektop | jelly-home, i have a free gigabyte |
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| 23:54.21 | npoektop | the system looks like there is no double buffering at all, and cpu frequency went down, like 400Mhz or so |
| 23:54.51 | jelly-home | npoektop: so force it back up |
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| 23:55.23 | npoektop | i already did cpufreq-set performance, so it's on max now |
| 23:55.23 | SuperMiguel | is there a way for rsync to show the connection speed? |
| 23:55.30 | SuperMiguel | like when is comping a file? |
| 23:55.35 | jelly-home | npoektop: and that didn't help? |
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| 23:56.00 | npoektop | no, it didnt |
| 23:56.26 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: yes there is. -P, and rtfm |
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| 23:57.00 | npoektop | lots of mem, no swapping, no io, nothing. Just slowed down. |
| 23:57.12 | jelly-home | NoNaMeNo: uname -r? |
| 23:57.16 | jelly-home | er... |
| 23:57.20 | jelly-home | npoektop: uname -r? |
| 23:57.37 | slb_ | i have a partition on one hard drive that i want to change to lvm type in order to work with my 2nd harddrive that is of lvm type, does that mean i have to reformat the partition that i want to change type or can i just change the type without data being affected? |
| 23:57.43 | npoektop | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:58.52 | jelly-home | npoektop: can you measure the slowdown empirically? Like, time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 before and after it slows down? |
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| 23:59.57 | jelly-home | npoektop: make sure no other process is taking a significant amount of cpu |
