| 00:00.05 | Titan8990 | macrobat: I don't think hal is deprecated in that version yet |
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| 00:00.38 | macrobat | ok |
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| 00:00.47 | Titan8990 | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 00:00.48 | judd | xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+3; sid: 1:7.5+5 |
| 00:00.55 | _Trinity_ | hi |
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| 00:01.08 | macrobat | i havent used this install for almost 3 months |
| 00:01.29 | Titan8990 | macrobat: its deprecated in server 1.8 |
| 00:01.48 | Titan8990 | macrobat: xorg.conf should still work |
| 00:01.58 | macrobat | Titan8990: totally or in parts? |
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| 00:02.12 | neurodamage | how would I change the default java jre that iceweasel is using? |
| 00:02.13 | macrobat | xorg.conf can set sensitivity now? |
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| 00:02.39 | macrobat | i dont mean acceleration |
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| 00:04.00 | Titan8990 | macrobat: don't know. you can do full synaptics configuration in xorg.conf... |
| 00:04.09 | _Trinity_ | say I ran smartctl -a on /dev/hda and a Passed output and no errors but my hd seems to take it time booting, trying several times before it hooks up successfully --any thoughts anyone? |
| 00:05.12 | babilen | macrobat: You might want to take a look at gpointing-device-settings and xinput. |
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| 00:05.31 | Elshar | So, lets say I have two hard drives in a mdadm array, how would I go about attempting to discover which drive was which in the array without breaking it? :) |
| 00:05.40 | NiLon | is it correct that echo $LANG returns "fi_FI.UTF-8" but locale -a lists "fi_FI.utf8" ? |
| 00:05.49 | NiLon | or should I change lang to fi_FI.utf8 |
| 00:06.25 | macrobat | ty babilen |
| 00:06.50 | Titan8990 | NiLon: unless there is a problem now, why consider changing it? |
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| 00:07.22 | NiLon | Titan8990 I don't see problem but it's kind of weird that locale -a lists it as "utf8" and it's set to "UTF-8" |
| 00:07.29 | NiLon | or does it matter? |
| 00:07.32 | babilen | macrobat: Not sure if that helps you, but i got it from http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint and I was able to configure my trackpad after my synaptics.fdi file stopped working |
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| 00:08.39 | Titan8990 | NiLon: don'tt know, I have always used en_US.UTF-8 |
| 00:08.55 | Titan8990 | NiLon: so that looks right |
| 00:09.13 | NiLon | okays, well kind of weird but maybe there's somekind translation somewhere |
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| 00:10.50 | simonrvn | NiLon: does it here too, and it isn't breaking. |
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| 00:12.53 | isfranc | valdyn: stress break my pc :) |
| 00:13.10 | careta | people to vote for the DPL do you have to be a debian developer? |
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| 00:15.38 | abrotman | careta: yes |
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| 00:17.20 | careta | oh that's bullshit |
| 00:17.25 | careta | users should have a say too |
| 00:17.56 | dbbolton | i installed freebsd on my hard drive, and i specifically chose the "leave MBR alone" option. after rebooting, grub hangs at the "grub loading/welcome to grub" screen. i booted a squeeze cd and reinstalled grub to /dev/sda, but grub is still hanging at the same screen |
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| 00:23.11 | _Trinity_ | wow, there's a gui for smartctl? |
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| 00:23.36 | _Trinity_ | since when? |
| 00:25.28 | pom | Is there any issues with NIC-controller firmware in lenny that you know of? My NIC stopped working when I upgraded from etch to lenny. |
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| 00:25.39 | _Trinity_ | holly molly, I've been doing it with line commands for years? |
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| 00:28.24 | jaalto | What the C-code languages in irc? |
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| 00:28.36 | jaalto | ... What us the C-code language in irc? |
| 00:28.40 | jaalto | is |
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| 00:31.05 | jaalto | Ah, that's ##c |
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| 00:31.31 | simonrvn | you meant channel |
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| 00:32.30 | jaalto | simonrvn: channel yes, I mistakenly used #c, but it was ##c |
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| 00:33.10 | simonrvn | i had a hard time parsing what you said |
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| 00:48.11 | ut | I've got a friend whose debian box seems to lock up when he does large file transfers to it over smb. I've got some Oops information in his syslog. Anything I can do with it? |
| 00:49.42 | macrobat | pom: i would guess thats specific to your NIC. which one is it? |
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| 00:50.39 | macrobat | pom: what does ifconfig -a as root show? |
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| 00:51.09 | abrotman | pom: what is the NIC ? |
| 00:53.12 | neurodamage | what's the correct way in debian to switch the iceweasel browser plugin? |
| 00:53.22 | User_007 | where is the command that run when i double-click my hard drive to mount? |
| 00:53.28 | neurodamage | I've done update-alternatives --config java, but it seems the browser is still using the old one |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | neurodamage: update-java-alternatives |
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| 00:56.09 | HardDisk_WP | anyone has a quick and current(!) howto for setting up a IMAP mail server? |
| 00:56.19 | HardDisk_WP | I'd thought of dovecot-imap and exim4 |
| 00:56.43 | HardDisk_WP | for now only email w/ smtp matters |
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| 00:57.01 | HardDisk_WP | even if it's pop3 mail I dont care |
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| 01:00.36 | slb_ | can anyone recommend a godo reliable guide on setting up and securing ssh its hard to know whats reliable and not regurgitated on google |
| 01:00.46 | Titan8990 | !harden |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | methinks harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or ask me about <securing debian> <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 01:01.03 | Titan8990 | slb_: believe there is a section in the hardening guide on securing ssh |
| 01:01.16 | slb_ | thanks a lot |
| 01:01.21 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: pop3 and imap are hugely different |
| 01:01.23 | rares | everything after php5<modname> and libapache2 mod php 5.3.1DASH2 refuses to process php |
| 01:01.34 | rares | keeps saying would you like to download |
| 01:01.42 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yeah, I know. Whatever is the easier one, I'll take it^^ |
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| 01:01.50 | abrotman | that's not a good attitude |
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| 01:02.11 | HardDisk_WP | I'll migrate to gmail in two weeks, just need a quick hack |
| 01:02.12 | Titan8990 | guesses HardDisk_WP is on some blacklists in 2 weeks |
| 01:02.12 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 01:02.48 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: setting this up is pretty easy, and the website for those IMAP servers should have the docs for simple operation |
| 01:03.10 | HardDisk_WP | you'd recommend mbox or Maildir for pop3? |
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| 01:03.25 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: Maildir for everything :/ |
| 01:03.39 | HardDisk_WP | hm kk, just chose this in exim4config |
| 01:04.28 | nvz | !start a mailbox war? |
| 01:04.28 | dpkg | Maildir 0wnz your ass. Why do you even *bother* setting up a mail server with mbox format? |
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| 01:05.19 | vsmatck | Why is mbox not as good. The difference is one file vs file per message right? |
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| 01:05.53 | zinx | vsmatck: that's the major difference, but it has some implications wrt updating it, indexing it, and pulling stuff out of it/putting stuff in it |
| 01:06.16 | zinx | vsmatck: it's difficult for multiple applications to work on a mbox at once (i.e., a mail delivery program and a mail client), but it's trivial with Maildir |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | vsmatck: it's a single file .. imagine deleting a single email from the middle of that |
| 01:06.50 | vsmatck | zinx: ahh, that's understandable. I deal with concurrent access to a SQLite database so I have to deal with these problems. |
| 01:07.04 | Titan8990 | abrotman: thats not actually bad with `mail` |
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| 01:07.47 | Titan8990 | has had to delete emails with 30mb attachments from the middle of a mbox file |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | Titan8990: try it with 5k messages in the box |
| 01:08.03 | Titan8990 | abrotman: yes, that would have been tough |
| 01:08.07 | hayleyw | not to mention that a lot of programs have limits on the size of mbox files that it can handle |
| 01:08.14 | hayleyw | evolution cant handle an mbox larger than 2G |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | Titan8990: there are people that store a lot of mail .. |
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| 01:08.33 | nvz | vsmatck: sounds like you've got that "eating less cheeseburgers at mcdonalds is a diet" mindset |
| 01:08.35 | Titan8990 | abrotman: we use pop and store on the clients, no matter how much I scream we shouldn't.... |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | Titan8990: my boss AFAIK, has all their email for 15 years |
| 01:08.37 | dondelelcaro | has hundreds of gigabytes of the stuff |
| 01:08.40 | ka0tic | a program screwed up my screen resolution, is there a way to fix it in realtime? |
| 01:08.41 | nvz | when you should not be eating at mcdonalds at all.. |
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| 01:08.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: in mbox? |
| 01:08.55 | dondelelcaro | ka0tic: xrandr |
| 01:08.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes |
| 01:09.02 | vsmatck | nvz: I don't know what that means. |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | hopes well filtered and in small files |
| 01:09.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but luckily it's pretty much append-only |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:09.18 | nvz | vsmatck: sounds like you've got sqlite where you could use a real db |
| 01:10.19 | vsmatck | nvz: oh |
| 01:10.25 | hayleyw | evolution & mbox crap: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324679 |
| 01:10.30 | hayleyw | bug from 2005 still open |
| 01:10.43 | nvz | its way faster to hack some sqlite thing in python that to make a real program with a real db, but there is a point where doing things easy isn't easy anymore |
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| 01:13.22 | xxiao_ | is there any application that can view two webcams under debian? |
| 01:13.35 | xxiao_ | cheese only takes /dev/video0 |
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| 01:14.18 | HardDisk_WP | VLC |
| 01:14.35 | twiggz | vlc = qt = evil |
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| 01:15.12 | abrotman | xxiao_: doesn't cheese allow you to choose the device ? |
| 01:15.32 | slb_ | if i just want to telnet in to my linux box from my local network to maintain it, etc do i need to use ssh? |
| 01:15.34 | xxiao_ | abrotman: not really, |
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| 01:15.41 | twiggz | of course its all opinion..but of course noone can dispute that qt and kde4 use more resources than gtk2 and gnome or xfce4, etc.. |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | xxiao_: the version i have does ? |
| 01:15.53 | twiggz | kde4 is a hoggy bitch. |
| 01:15.59 | xxiao_ | still running 8.04 |
| 01:16.02 | xxiao_ | lenny |
| 01:16.07 | xxiao_ | does lenny have it |
| 01:16.09 | xxiao_ | let me see |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | xxiao_: running what ? |
| 01:16.25 | hayleyw | people suck |
| 01:16.44 | twiggz | i use openbox, lxpanel, obconf, obmenu, lxpanel, and lxappearance.. |
| 01:16.51 | xxiao_ | abrotman: which cheese version is yours? |
| 01:17.02 | xxiao_ | mine is 2.22.3 |
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| 01:17.12 | abrotman | xxiao_: dpkg -l cheese .. what is the exact version ? |
| 01:17.41 | xxiao_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.49 | abrotman | xxiao_: please go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 01:18.00 | xxiao_ | k |
| 01:18.02 | xxiao_ | thanks |
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| 01:19.54 | HardDisk_WP | heh, it works. |
| 01:19.55 | HardDisk_WP | nice. |
| 01:20.49 | smacnay | I like kde to play with but very resource hungry on my machine. Kind of like possibly dating a super model - tons of upkeep. xfce4 i like the girl next door - down to earth. |
| 01:21.17 | smacnay | has no idea if a super model is high upkeep but can only imagine |
| 01:22.01 | smacnay | thinks that half the pressure for upkeep would be in my own head in trying to "keep" such a hot girlfriend. |
| 01:23.39 | zinx | i always liked the look of gtk2 better.. and the look of gtk1 with the xenophilia theme or whatever it was called :x |
| 01:23.57 | zinx | maybe i'm crazy :/ |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | maybe? |
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| 01:27.27 | zinx | i'm using gtk2 with the one of the murrine themes at the moment, it seems :x |
| 01:28.15 | nvz | smacnay: I think thats the prime reason men get less sweet and more verbally abusive as a relationship goes on.. |
| 01:28.44 | nvz | the thought in their heads that they aren't getting any more beautiful, and thinking that they can put a woman down to make her feel like she's not either so she doesn't run off |
| 01:28.53 | zinx | because they're really just assholes and were only pretending to be nice? |
| 01:28.55 | zinx | oh. |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | points nvz toward #debian-offtopic |
| 01:29.15 | nvz | looks around dazed and confused |
| 01:30.12 | nvz | oh thats right.. I must be in #debian.. people don't pay any attention when I ramble off topic in the off topic channel.. haha |
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| 01:30.34 | pom | abrotman, macrobot: It was the broadcom netextreme II issue. Found easy fix, but at first, it was a real shocker. Thanks, anyways. |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | pom: glad we didn't help! :) |
| 01:30.57 | nvz | heh |
| 01:31.34 | nvz | broadcom anything seems to universally be a pain in the ass |
| 01:32.22 | nvz | their USB controllers suck, their bluetooth, network cards.. etc |
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| 01:32.47 | nvz | I've learned to just run away screaming from broadcom |
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| 01:34.25 | nvz | I hate the fact that when I shop around for hardware there is always something in it that sucks.. particularly with mobile devices. |
| 01:34.57 | nvz | at least if you can find something intirely intel these days, its likely to be fairly linux friendly |
| 01:35.03 | nvz | entirely even |
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| 01:37.18 | nvz | I just gave up using the wifi on my netbook unless there is absolutely no other choice.. the ath5k device in here is worthless as tits on a snake |
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| 01:37.58 | LittleDedPenguin | tits on a snake would be interesting |
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| 01:38.24 | nvz | I don't see how.. they hatch from eggs, so they don't need to breastfeed, and they don't have hands to play with em.. |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | nvz: seriously .. are you dumb? |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | LittleDedPenguin: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 01:39.15 | nvz | abrotman: going crazy actually.. slowly but surely |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | do it somewhere else |
| 01:40.13 | maladmin | hey all, looking for help configuring proftpd. I want authenticated users to have access to their own dir, an anonymous dir and an 'authorised users dir'. I'd like all this to be usable by users who don't understand ls (or dir) commands |
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| 01:41.01 | nvz | haha. |
| 01:41.10 | maladmin | nvz? |
| 01:41.29 | nvz | maladmin: the I hope those users have a gui cor their ftp client |
| 01:41.46 | maladmin | heh true, i was thinking off.... |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | maladmin: did you ask the #proftpd channel ? |
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| 01:42.39 | zxcvbnm | hello, what are the differences between the debian kernel package and a stock kernel? |
| 01:42.44 | maladmin | 5 minutes and still waiting on an answer |
| 01:42.48 | zxcvbnm | are there any debian-specific patches? |
| 01:42.59 | abrotman | maladmin: be patient .. people sleep and work |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: yes |
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| 01:43.27 | nvz | zxcvbnm: every distro that ships a kernel patches and configures it a certain way |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: it's certainly patched |
| 01:43.40 | zxcvbnm | are there any differences between the debian kernel and the one provided in ubuntu? |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | not sure they are specific to debian |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: probably .. you'd have to do a diff to see |
| 01:44.18 | maladmin | i was looking at something like this as a client http://www.gerd-tentler.de/tools/filemanager/ |
| 01:45.12 | maladmin | abrotman - thats for the slightly condesending advice |
| 01:45.23 | maladmin | s/thats/thanks |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | maladmin: huh ? |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | maladmin: i'm just telling you to be patient .. five minutes isn't really that long |
| 01:45.47 | nvz | notes that "mal" means "bad" in spanish. |
| 01:45.49 | zxcvbnm | abrotman, I was having a classic debian-ubuntu debate with someone, and he claimed ubuntu users were having problems (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/) because of a badly configured kernel. I use debian personally and dont have any such issues, is he full of shit? |
| 01:46.04 | maladmin | 'be patient' -- i know,chat room is still open |
| 01:46.34 | hayleyw | *channel* |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: there are probably numerous issues .. i don't use ubuntu and don't follow much of their development |
| 01:46.50 | zxcvbnm | alright |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: but very likely there are many differences between your system and the ubuntu system that those people are using |
| 01:47.26 | maladmin | zxcvbnm I posted somewhere in the comments to that post, i was an early installer on 9.10 -- no problems whatsoever here (lenovo x61 laptop) |
| 01:47.39 | zxcvbnm | I see, I always thought packages between debian and ubuntu were similar |
| 01:47.50 | zxcvbnm | ah ok maladmin |
| 01:48.05 | maladmin | packages are similar, most debian packages work fine on ubuntu |
| 01:48.15 | abrotman | zxcvbnm: yes .. they're both in the .deb format .. beyond that, there's no telling really |
| 01:48.16 | nvz | mmm.. Lenovo x61.. |
| 01:48.22 | maladmin | debian gets new versions -- much -- quicker then ubuntu tho |
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| 01:48.29 | nvz | I love those.. very linux friendly! |
| 01:48.36 | twiggz | they are similiar, but the only poobuntu pkg i use on my squeeze box is the ubuntu .deb from adobe.com for flash |
| 01:48.45 | maladmin | nvz couple of years old now, but i still get 4 hours battery |
| 01:48.50 | zinx | zxcvbnm: they are fairly different wrt video drivers / proprietary modules at the very least |
| 01:48.51 | maladmin | new ones are even more sexy tho |
| 01:48.52 | twiggz | similiar does not mean compatible. |
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| 01:49.34 | zxcvbnm | i see |
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| 01:55.24 | PyroPhelia | is there a command that will show me every open connection (port) and how much bandwidth each connection is using? |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: you can use something like jnettop or iftop maybe |
| 01:56.30 | cafuego | iptraf as well, i think |
| 01:56.32 | pipeline | PyroPhelia: netstat will give you a crude estimate |
| 01:57.06 | maladmin | nstat might help too |
| 01:57.09 | ut | So I've got a series of warnings, and then a couple oopses, associated with scsi_eh_0 and md0_resync. what should I be doing for troubleshooting? |
| 01:57.21 | PyroPhelia | the best i've found with netstat is netstat -an --inet, but that doesn't tell me bandwidth per connection |
| 01:57.28 | PyroPhelia | unless i'm missing an option |
| 01:57.33 | Bohemian | i am trying to make a kernel, i just ran mkinitramfs and got this error. can someone tell me what to do? http://pastebin.com/cqugSbnv |
| 01:57.37 | cafuego | ut: did you pull a disk from your system? |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: jnettop might be what you're looking for .. |
| 01:57.54 | ut | I didn't. It's a friend's system. I don't think he's done that either. |
| 01:58.08 | cafuego | ut: what does /proc/mdstat say? |
| 01:58.18 | ut | He's been having the whole thing lock up when he tries to copy a large file through smb |
| 01:58.32 | ut | nothing. the raid isn't running now. |
| 01:58.42 | ut | it was resyncing, so it makes sense that the process was running. |
| 01:58.44 | maladmin | Bohemian: its asking for an output file |
| 01:59.13 | cafuego | ut: So he stopped the raid in the middle of a resync? |
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| 01:59.23 | Bohemian | maladmin: i don't know what to use? |
| 01:59.26 | ut | I think so, by virtue of having the whole system seize up. |
| 01:59.53 | ut | These two Oops messages came after he rebooted |
| 02:00.05 | maladmin | Bohemian: doesnt really matter just add -o ~/myfile.out |
| 02:00.12 | ut | so I'm hoping for a correlation |
| 02:00.24 | maladmin | hmm /home/you/myfile.out |
| 02:01.04 | Bohemian | maladmin: didn't work |
| 02:01.06 | cafuego | ut: If one of the disks is trashed that could happen.. can he boot it with just a single disk plugged in? I'm assuming raid1. |
| 02:01.13 | maladmin | what error? |
| 02:01.22 | Bohemian | maladmin: do i need to create this myfile.out file in nano first? |
| 02:01.32 | Bohemian | same one it looks like |
| 02:01.51 | ut | It's raid-5, and it's running now. I'm ssh'd into it. |
| 02:02.08 | maladmin | Bohemian: mkinitramfs -o myfile.out |
| 02:02.17 | cafuego | ut: Ok. Running happily and all disks are in the array *and* synced? |
| 02:02.32 | ut | The raid isn't running. Want me to bring it up? |
| 02:02.42 | Bohemian | maladmin: oh, oops, working now (i think) |
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| 02:03.01 | Bohemian | maladmin: got another prompt, thanks! |
| 02:03.13 | maladmin | good luck Bohemian try not to get too clever with the setttings |
| 02:03.22 | Bohemian | hehe |
| 02:03.48 | maladmin | i hosed a few systems first times i built kernels... |
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| 02:05.16 | cafuego | ut: I guess the raid array is using dedicated disks that aren't used currently? |
| 02:05.26 | ut | that's right. |
| 02:05.49 | cafuego | ut: bring it up... see if it keels over again. If so, you either have a trashed sata/ide/scsi controller or a trashed disk, is my guess. |
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| 02:06.14 | cafuego | If you know which disk was the problem, bring it up degraded, minus that disk and see what happens. |
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| 02:07.10 | ut | it looks ok to me so far. /proc/mdstat says "resync=PENDING" |
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| 02:07.36 | ut | i'm more concerned with why the system would lock up when he tried to copy that file though. it seems reproducible. |
| 02:08.00 | cafuego | ut: If he copied it to a dodgy part of a dodgy disk via samba... |
| 02:08.03 | Bohemian | how do i know if a kernel was indeed compiled? |
| 02:08.08 | maladmin | u sure the systems fully locked, not just tied up |
| 02:08.10 | Bohemian | where would it be after i typed "make install"? |
| 02:08.13 | Bohemian | in /boot? |
| 02:08.16 | dvs | cafuego: what do you know about linux admninistration? ;-) |
| 02:08.26 | cafuego | Bohemian: You don't run 'make install' on debian machines. |
| 02:08.30 | cafuego | dvs: bugger all |
| 02:08.34 | dvs | heh |
| 02:08.38 | cafuego | dvs: Where's the START button? |
| 02:08.48 | ut | I'm not sure about that, actually. I know all the network traffic dies |
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| 02:08.54 | dvs | mourns |
| 02:08.57 | maladmin | Bohemian: if its compiled in that time you have a really powerful mchine |
| 02:09.03 | ut | for instance, I was logged in scrolling through some man page while he did that, and suddenly the screen froze |
| 02:09.10 | maladmin | Bohemian: kernel compiles take ages |
| 02:09.21 | cafuego | Bohemian: There's a package called 'kernel-package' that contains the 'make-kpkg' command. Use that to build a custom kernel-image-.... deb file. |
| 02:09.25 | Bohemian | cafuego: i tried this "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version "grsec1.0" kernel_image" from this guide, http://www.howtoforge.com/hardening-the-linux-kernel-with-grsecurity-debian but i don't know what to write after initrd so i tried the old fashion way |
| 02:09.25 | cafuego | maladmin: 10 mins or so |
| 02:09.34 | Bohemian | can you tell me what goes in after initrd? |
| 02:09.58 | Titan8990 | !make-kpkg |
| 02:09.58 | dpkg | hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 02:10.05 | maladmin | hmm havent done it for a couple of years, and then not on a machine <5 years |
| 02:10.15 | maladmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.16 | cafuego | Bohemian: that doens't look wrong to me. do you have a kernel package in ..? |
| 02:10.40 | cafuego | maladmin: it's pretty fast if you disable shit you don't need and run make -j8 on 4 cores and lots of ram. |
| 02:11.09 | maladmin | haha, alternatively you can get it to cook your p1 |
| 02:11.22 | Bohemian | cafuego: i downloaded kernel 2.6.33.1 and grsec2.1.14... |
| 02:11.41 | cafuego | p1? srsly. you're killing the rainforest. |
| 02:11.46 | Bohemian | but when i typed that command i got an error |
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| 02:12.01 | cafuego | You can emulate 50 of them on a single i7 box and use less power |
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| 02:12.11 | maladmin | cafuego: havent even turned that one on in months |
| 02:12.59 | Bohemian | haha, now it is working |
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| 02:13.06 | Bohemian | lovely |
| 02:13.10 | nvz | cafuego: haha. you crack me up.. I think about that stuff though.. on the one hand you got the software to cluster a buncha old computers and keep from wasting them, but on the other hand you can save a lot of power and space just buying a new one |
| 02:13.18 | Bohemian | can watch another episode of 24 |
| 02:13.23 | flaccid | hi guys i'm lookin at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and wondering which is best for my intel core i3. i386 or is there a 64bit arch i should be using? |
| 02:13.51 | dvs | flaccid: amd64 |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | flaccid: i386 or amd64 .. your choice |
| 02:14.03 | maladmin | nvz: its kinda like buying a prius or just keeping the old car running |
| 02:14.06 | cafuego | nvz: I save like $200 a year in power by using 2 new 1.5TB green drives instead of 9 80GB drives in raid5. The new setup is bigger and faster too. |
| 02:14.24 | nvz | maladmin: yeah well apparently you don't read the news |
| 02:14.26 | cafuego | nvz: Plus the office is *way* less hot. |
| 02:14.35 | xintron | For some reason libperl-dev can't be installed since perl is running an older version than the required one. apt-get update && apt-get install perl - says the newest version is running. How do I solve this? |
| 02:14.37 | maladmin | nice, i've put everything into the cloud |
| 02:14.49 | maladmin | noise was my biggest kicker |
| 02:14.53 | cafuego | flaccid: If you have more than 3GB of ram, use the amd64 one. |
| 02:14.59 | flaccid | well i've never understood how intel arch is amd as well. but i will be running Eucalyptus, so i'm wondering which will be better, the i386 or amd64 |
| 02:15.04 | Bohemian | how long does a kernel take to compile? about an hour? |
| 02:15.10 | flaccid | cafuego: thanks yes i have 8GB of DDR3 :) |
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| 02:15.26 | cafuego | flaccid: Yeah, a 32bit kernel can use 2.4GB of that. So go 64 :-) |
| 02:15.40 | hayleyw | flaccid, intel copied amd's 64-bit implementation. thus it also being called amd64 |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | cafuego, flaccid : that's what -bigmem is for |
| 02:16.08 | cafuego | Bohemian: Depends on how it's configured, your CPU, how much ram you have, disk speed and possibly the moon phase. |
| 02:16.10 | flaccid | um -bigmem? |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | the -bigmem can use at least 8GB |
| 02:16.14 | nvz | abrotman: I was about to say that, but got pizza breath and was looking for my toothbrush |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | !bigmem |
| 02:16.18 | flaccid | i don't know what -bigmem is |
| 02:16.19 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 02:16.29 | cafuego | abrotman: The kernel yes - its apps are still limited. |
| 02:16.42 | cafuego | and Evolution *really* likes more than 2GB of ram :-P |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | cafuego: you didn't say that ... |
| 02:16.46 | Titan8990 | cafuego: at 3gb or so... |
| 02:16.50 | flaccid | so what is the best choice here? i guess i need to see if Eucalytpus is supported ok on amd64 |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | whatever that is .. probably |
| 02:17.21 | cafuego | flaccid: amd64 is the best unless you need to run an app that doesn't work on amd64. |
| 02:17.23 | dvs | abrotman: it's a flower! ;-) |
| 02:17.24 | flaccid | ok Architectures: i386 amd64 for euc http://eucalyptussoftware.com/downloads/repo/eucalyptus/1.6.1/debian/dists/squeeze/Release |
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| 02:17.39 | flaccid | i think i should be right |
| 02:17.40 | nvz | I thought it was a tree that grew in like australia |
| 02:17.52 | cafuego | flaccid: On 32bit, even with a -bigmem kernel, any app is limited to 2GB of ram. |
| 02:17.53 | flaccid | it is a tree yes. and i also live in australia :) |
| 02:17.59 | Titan8990 | that says squeeze from an unknown repo... |
| 02:18.06 | cafuego | nvz: We call 'em "gum" though. Not eucalyptus. |
| 02:18.20 | nvz | shrugs |
| 02:18.26 | flaccid | a gum tree != a eucalyptus tree |
| 02:18.33 | cafuego | flaccid: lies! |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:18.44 | xxiao_ | i have a logitech quickcam chat, modprobe uvcvideo, still can't be recognized under lenny |
| 02:18.52 | cafuego | Eg: a snow gum is a eucalyptus. |
| 02:18.53 | xxiao_ | 2.6.26-2 kernel |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | xxiao_: you're using ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 02:19.02 | xxiao_ | abrotman: not really, i run both |
| 02:19.16 | xxiao_ | i'm running lenny in parallel |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | really, when did you reboot? |
| 02:19.29 | xxiao_ | abrotman: i have more than one machine nearby |
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| 02:19.43 | flaccid | cafuego well we do incorrectly call it generically gumtrees. there are many eucalyptus trees that are not 'gum' trees |
| 02:19.43 | xxiao_ | why should I lie after all |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | xxiao_: why does every other ubuntu user that comes in here for support lie? |
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| 02:20.20 | xxiao_ | abrotman: geez...i use debian a lot, just a PC for ubuntu, why are you so hostile |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | i'm not being hostile |
| 02:20.43 | xxiao_ | my website, server, embedded products at work, are all debian |
| 02:20.46 | amphi | xxiao_: he was once injured by a spork... |
| 02:20.49 | nervoustwitch | its good natured hostileism |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:20.52 | cafuego | flaccid: Fair nuff. We call it the wrong thing, but we do call it that ;-) |
| 02:20.56 | nvz | abrotman: to piss you off. we got like a whole club started and everything.. we meet the 2nd thursday of every month.. |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | yinzers |
| 02:21.17 | nvz | yeah we meet an primanti bros innat |
| 02:21.17 | flaccid | cafuego true! |
| 02:21.34 | flaccid | at least we don't call our mum, 'mom' |
| 02:21.52 | xxiao_ | actually we just decided our next embedded platform will totally be on debian, running TI stuff |
| 02:22.01 | cafuego | flaccid: though I *have* heard people use 'pop'. |
| 02:22.14 | flaccid | for real |
| 02:22.15 | xxiao_ | but the piece of PC i'm using at home is shared by kids, it's ubuntu indeed |
| 02:22.17 | nvz | debian on an embedded device sounds like a headache |
| 02:22.44 | xxiao_ | two other laptops are running lenny too |
| 02:22.45 | xxiao_ | anyways |
| 02:22.45 | nvz | unless its got more resources than your average embedded device |
| 02:22.46 | LittleDedPenguin | i'll be trying debian on embedded here soon |
| 02:22.59 | cafuego | flaccid: I kid you not. Relatives no less. Refers to a grandfather, not a beverage. |
| 02:23.14 | xxiao_ | nvz: yeah our previous one is kind of a LFS, but newer TI chips have enough horsepower and NAND and 4GB memories |
| 02:23.44 | flaccid | cafuego ah i see the pop you mean now. 'nan and pop's'. i never used that term. 'nanna and pa' for me |
| 02:23.55 | nvz | xxiao_: ah.. well in that scenario then I'd def go with debian.. the packaging system makes life easier when and where it can fit |
| 02:24.49 | xxiao_ | nvz: right |
| 02:25.20 | xintron | I cant install libperl-dev. It complains about libperl-dev: Depends: perl (= 5.10.0-19lenny2) but 5.10.1-5 is to be installed. I've run apt-get update and tried apt-get install perl but it says it's already the latest version. |
| 02:25.49 | nvz | well I finally found something I'm halfway interested in, that has not been packaged for really any distro yet.. and would be able to be included in main. |
| 02:26.04 | nvz | not that debian needs ANOTHER web browser.. heh.. but.. hey.. |
| 02:26.17 | xxiao_ | still anyone can suggest why quickcam is not working with uvcvideo.ko on 2.6.26.2? |
| 02:26.24 | xxiao_ | should I use some other drivers? |
| 02:26.45 | nvz | though I wonder if that means I gotta also build it for all the arch's to have it included.. |
| 02:27.05 | adb | yes ... |
| 02:27.12 | nvz | cause its only currently available as a standard i686 binary tarball and source |
| 02:27.39 | amphi | xintron: have you done something horrid to your sources.list? |
| 02:27.49 | nvz | I've never cross-compiled before, and don't have hardware to test anything but AMD64 and i386 packages |
| 02:28.17 | amphi | nvz: what is it? |
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| 02:28.34 | nvz | A mozilla based Social Web Browser, called Flock |
| 02:28.42 | amphi | ah |
| 02:29.12 | nvz | its pretty decent.. |
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| 02:30.16 | xintron | amphi: nope, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 02:30.45 | xintron | amphi: I dont get why it won't offer me a newer version of perl or use an older libperl-dev |
| 02:30.47 | amphi | so where did it hear of perl version 5.10.1-5 ? |
| 02:31.11 | xintron | amphi: I've got no idea |
| 02:31.49 | xintron | amphi: is there some cache that I can clean and do a new apt-get update and give that a try? |
| 02:32.18 | pipeline | nvz: cross-compilation is really painful :( |
| 02:33.02 | nvz | pipeline: I'd imagine, and not having something to test it on would make it utterly pointless |
| 02:33.30 | nvz | well even more of a headache anyhow when people are bitching about it not working |
| 02:33.40 | pipeline | nvz: qemu is actually a big help with that. At least it used t obe. |
| 02:33.56 | pipeline | nvz: qemu has emulators for a number of processor cores that emulate the most common linux abi on each core |
| 02:34.05 | pipeline | nvz: so you just have a chroot with the appropriate libc and shit |
| 02:34.09 | nvz | qemu always seemed like a pain in the ass |
| 02:34.21 | pipeline | nvz: obviously this will only allow you to test cross-compiled linux binaries, but what else would you be cross-compiling ? |
| 02:34.30 | pipeline | qemu is an amalgamation of several projects |
| 02:34.41 | pipeline | the original project only emulated the cpu, no hardware, and only ran linux binaries for that cpu |
| 02:34.53 | pipeline | and iirc all that sweet qemu arm/mips/sparc shit is still available in the tree |
| 02:35.09 | pipeline | hah! |
| 02:35.12 | pipeline | it's still packaged by debian |
| 02:35.15 | pipeline | package "qemu-user" |
| 02:35.20 | pipeline | and it has more archs than I remembered |
| 02:35.46 | pipeline | arm, i386, m86k/cf, mips, ppc, sparc |
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| 02:36.49 | nvz | idk I'd just like to get into packaging things for debian eventually, but would like to start by bringing some new things to the table that aren't currently available. But now considering the ever growing number of archs debian supports, I'm thinking more along the lines of just packaging for the upstream devs.. heh |
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| 02:37.08 | hanasaki | how can I get a remote VNC connection with gdm for login? |
| 02:37.31 | nvz | I never really gave much thought to the fact of having to support like 39 different archs to package something for debian |
| 02:37.40 | flaccid | out of interests, is anyone running eucalyptus on squeeze ? |
| 02:38.01 | nvz | kinda makes me wonder how the hell some people are sole maintainers of many packages.. |
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| 02:38.46 | nvz | hanasaki: are both boxes using linux or a posix OS? |
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| 02:39.20 | hanasaki | nvz: the server is a debian box. the client could be win or linux |
| 02:39.23 | nvz | hanasaki: because there is XDCMP and other options. |
| 02:39.25 | hanasaki | nvz: why? |
| 02:40.15 | hanasaki | nvz: how d you enable that on gnome 2.28? |
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| 02:41.16 | n-iCe | what's the current squeeze kernel version? |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | 2.6.32-3-<arch> |
| 02:42.12 | nvz | hanasaki: apparently there is a way to run vnc server from xinetd with gdm but it looks complicated |
| 02:42.14 | hayleyw | n-iCe, find out for yourself. http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:42.34 | hanasaki | nvz: what's your link?url? I have been messing with it all week |
| 02:42.50 | n-iCe | 2.6.32-3-<arch> |
| 02:43.16 | n-iCe | is testing and unstable the same right? |
| 02:43.24 | hayleyw | n-iCe, no |
| 02:43.30 | n-iCe | o.O |
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| 02:43.46 | nvz | hanasaki: http://www.movingtofreedom.org/2007/02/16/howto-remote-desktop-with-vnc-in-ubuntu-edgy-gnu-linux/ that one is for ubuntu edgy.. but the process should be exactly the same |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | should it? |
| 02:44.12 | nvz | yeah, what difference could there be? |
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| 02:44.21 | abrotman | not the same distros? |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
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| 02:44.59 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but in this case its just telling how to setup gdm, xinetd, and vnc4server, all of which are the same behavior in debian |
| 02:45.04 | wzssyqa | my package have a share lib linddd.so.3.7 and have 2 symlink of it named libddd.so and libddd.so.3 |
| 02:45.07 | nvz | as far as the scope of this howto is concerned |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | nvz: you'd guarantee that? :) |
| 02:45.26 | wzssyqa | is it a big problem? |
| 02:46.26 | xxiao_ | just made another stupid mistake --- reporting debian results on ubuntu, darn! |
| 02:46.33 | nvz | abrotman: no, I don't guarantee that this person even knows what the hell they are talking about |
| 02:47.00 | xxiao_ | anyway two webcameras working in parallel under lenny with gspca modules |
| 02:47.23 | nvz | abrotman: but hanasaki sounds like he just needs a nudge in the right direction, and can handle it for the most part.. and if not, will ask for help when stuck. |
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| 02:47.28 | xxiao_ | uvcvideo does not work under 2.6.26-2 |
| 02:47.41 | xxiao_ | how can I pull down 2.6.32 under lenny, could not apt-get search it |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | or it just does'nt work for your device |
| 02:48.31 | hayleyw | you cant "apt-get search" for anything. it's "apt-cache search", and it wont find things not in the repository |
| 02:48.58 | twiggz | xxiao_: its either ubuntu or debian, no exceptions. |
| 02:49.47 | xxiao_ | twiggz: can you have a wife and lover in the same time too :) |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:50.05 | twiggz | even though say ...ubuntu basically has less differences from debian than say...zenwalk linux and slackware....they are two different distributions. |
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| 02:50.34 | twiggz | and that is a true statement...not just a theory up there. |
| 02:50.36 | pipeline | xxiao_: sure you can have a wife and a lover; don't ask the former for advice on the latter. |
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| 02:51.01 | xxiao_ | pipeline: got it, that makes sense |
| 02:51.43 | twiggz | since when does ubuntu discussion belong in here anyway? |
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| 02:51.57 | pipeline | xxiao_: more importantly: ubuntu forks debian every six months, yes, but they replace large portions of the package tree. The replacements are arbitrary and rather uneven in quality. Us poor chumps in #debian can't keep track of the thousands and thousands of changes made, nor should we be expected to. Consult ##ubuntu or something. |
| 02:53.33 | hanasaki | hi nvz thanks I have been there and to the ubuntu list and lots of googling... that login window configure xdmcp is not in gnome 2.28... they took out the easy gui config completely ;) for my entertainment I guess... I have all that stuff setup though using the custom.conf http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#daemonsection however all that comes up is the plain X screen.. no GDM |
| 02:53.42 | nvz | xxiao_: there is 2.6.30 in lenny-backports, but i dont think there is a 2.6.32. Mine is custom made. |
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| 02:54.26 | abrotman | there is a .32 in it |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | ,kernels |
| 02:54.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 02:54.42 | nvz | hanasaki: yes but are you just running vncserver as a user or via xinetd as that tutorial suggested? |
| 02:54.48 | twiggz | installing ubuntu .debs on any debian system is simply stupid. |
| 02:54.56 | hanasaki | nvz tried both .. :( |
| 02:54.59 | nvz | hanasaki: if you run it as a user, it cannot start gdm.. it has to be ran as root as a daemon |
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| 02:55.46 | hanasaki | hmm and I need to logout/in to get the gdm to restart and reread the config file right? |
| 02:55.53 | nvz | hanasaki: I've always just ssh'd in and started my vnc server then connected to it. setting up a DM through VNC seems like a pain in the neck |
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| 02:56.15 | nvz | hanasaki: uh, yes, you need to /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 02:56.16 | hanasaki | have a vpn here to work.. after than only rdp and vnc to remote boxes |
| 02:56.27 | hanasaki | never got xrdp to work :( |
| 02:56.30 | hanasaki | brb |
| 02:56.37 | twiggz | afk, i dont think i can take much more of the stupid ubuntu users questions ... |
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| 02:57.13 | twiggz | UBUNTU IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 02:57.17 | twiggz | afk |
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| 02:57.22 | flaccid | heh |
| 02:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mixing is fun and adds to the flavor |
| 02:57.48 | nvz | haha |
| 02:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also a true learning experience... sooner or later |
| 02:58.12 | nvz | I don't have any official ubuntu packages, but often 3rd party things I get say they are for ubuntu.. |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | please take the ubuntu chatter to #ubuntu |
| 02:58.27 | hanasaki | nvz: " xinetd[16060]: warning: can't get client address: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 02:58.27 | hanasaki | " |
| 02:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what ubuntu chatter? |
| 02:58.36 | nvz | though I don't think I even have any of those installed right now.. |
| 02:58.36 | flaccid | i could tell you that milk is for running a cars engine |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | the people that keep talking about it |
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| 02:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | who wouldn't want to run a "debiduxuntu" |
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| 02:59.48 | xxiao_ | nvz: thanks. making a 2.6.32 now |
| 03:00.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the nvidia stuff build ok for the 2.6.32 bpo? |
| 03:00.31 | twiggz | there are less differences in ubuntu and debian than zenwalk linux and slackware...fact..but still...ubuntu talk is no for this channel. |
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| 03:00.57 | nvz | hanasaki: sounds to me like its due to the xdmcp not configured properly in gdm |
| 03:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( Jehova ) |
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| 03:01.54 | xxiao_ | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2632-lenny.htm |
| 03:02.02 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 03:02.07 | nvz | xxiao_: its in backports apparently |
| 03:02.10 | n-iCe | since when you use Debian abrotman |
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| 03:02.27 | hanasaki | /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc <= there is that file xvz however most talk about just the /etc/gdm/custom.conf file |
| 03:02.45 | hanasaki | brb |
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| 03:03.20 | xxiao_ | nvz: yeah...save me some time then, try it now |
| 03:04.15 | gp2k | anybody run into this issue where too many clients booting at once leads to dhcp ignoring a subset of those users? |
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| 03:05.21 | aabb1122 | hi how do i configure pulseaudio? is there an x frontend/configurator? im using skype and the device for my headset disappeared and all there is is pulseaudio and its not routing to my headset |
| 03:05.27 | nvz | heh.. I generally don't turn on 200 pcs at exactly the same time |
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| 03:05.56 | gp2k | nvz: problem is that i do :) |
| 03:06.00 | gp2k | not 200, but 70 |
| 03:06.23 | n-iCe | is there any usb debian version? |
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| 03:06.32 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 03:06.32 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 03:06.39 | nvz | aabb1122: there is paman and padevchooser |
| 03:07.05 | n-iCe | !install debian |
| 03:07.05 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | n-iCe: plesae "/msg dpkg foo" |
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| 03:08.54 | n-iCe | Ok, should I download any debian iso then? |
| 03:09.04 | n-iCe | then follow the guide' |
| 03:09.10 | nvz | n-iCe: see http://unetbootin.sf.net/ |
| 03:09.12 | hayleyw | n-iCe, you should do what the guide says |
| 03:09.18 | nvz | n-iCe: it does it all for you.. |
| 03:09.19 | abrotman | nvz: that doesn't work |
| 03:09.29 | nvz | I use it all the time *shrug* |
| 03:09.38 | nvz | its how I installed both these machines.. |
| 03:09.39 | aabb1122 | nvz that's great... i can see skype and i can see the headset in paman... so how to i get them to tlak to each other? |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | apparently the tons of other people that use are just less capable than you |
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| 03:09.56 | nvz | well actually I've since reinstalled one from the other using PXE |
| 03:10.01 | n-iCe | less? |
| 03:10.20 | n-iCe | needs windows, I am not in windows |
| 03:10.28 | nvz | b.s. it needs windows |
| 03:10.41 | n-iCe | any other for linux :D ? |
| 03:10.41 | hayleyw | n-iCe, do what the guide says. dont make it more complicated than it has to be |
| 03:10.53 | nvz | n-iCe: yeah, unetbootin |
| 03:10.59 | nvz | its cross-platform |
| 03:11.03 | n-iCe | hayleyw, tried, Installation images for the second installation method can be found in the hd-media directory and either the âeasy wayâ or the âflexible wayâ can be used to copy the image to the USB stick. For this installation method you will also need to download a CD image. The installation image and the CD image must be based on the same release of debian-installer. If they do not match you are likely to get errors[6] during the instal |
| 03:11.03 | n-iCe | lation. |
| 03:11.04 | nvz | it is NOT for windows |
| 03:11.09 | n-iCe | wha the heck does that suppose to mean |
| 03:11.11 | aabb1122 | what irc client do you guys use? since bitchx was taken away im using ircII which doesn't have the highlighting which is annoying |
| 03:11.20 | nvz | aabb1122: irssi ftw |
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| 03:11.51 | aabb1122 | nvz i dont get irssi in aptitude.. what does ftw mean? |
| 03:11.52 | robbles | irssi + Growl ftw |
| 03:11.53 | nvz | aabb1122: its the most popular among the long timers, and its practically a standard migration from ircII |
| 03:11.58 | robbles | ftw = for the win |
| 03:12.00 | robbles | One of two drives of an md RAID1 array was physically removed without using mdadm beforehand. I booted up the server and the degraded array was mounted for awhile. I just noticed the missing drive and reconnected it. |
| 03:12.04 | robbles | My question is: how do I safely add the drive back to the array, considering that it's now "out of sync" ? |
| 03:12.15 | nvz | aabb1122: what distro are you running? |
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| 03:12.41 | aabb1122 | squeeze/sid |
| 03:12.54 | nvz | ,versions irssi |
| 03:12.56 | judd | irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.14-1; squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
| 03:13.10 | nvz | aabb1122: according to that bot, its in both sid and squeeze |
| 03:13.32 | nvz | aabb1122: aptitude update |
| 03:13.33 | nvz | maybe |
| 03:13.52 | Bohemian | how do i grep my system to find this file "linux-image" anywhere inside the system? |
| 03:14.05 | LaptopBrain | locate |
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| 03:14.13 | nvz | should be in main on any official repo |
| 03:14.19 | nvz | before lenny it was called irssi-text |
| 03:14.32 | nvz | why IDK cause its not like there was a graphical version that I know of.. heh |
| 03:14.43 | hayleyw | Bohemian, ...what you probably want is dpkg -l 'linux-image-*' |grep ^i |
| 03:14.46 | n-iCe | nvz, just a question if I downloaded already from debian.org the squeeze ia64 iso, will it burn it and work? |
| 03:14.57 | hayleyw | Bohemian, or dpkg -L and all that |
| 03:15.13 | nvz | n-iCe: what unetbootin? |
| 03:15.20 | hayleyw | n-iCe, i doubt you should use ia64 |
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| 03:15.31 | n-iCe | nvz, yes |
| 03:15.35 | nvz | n-iCe: yeah I doubt you have an ia64 machine |
| 03:15.46 | n-iCe | whats for 64bits' |
| 03:15.51 | nvz | n-iCe: amd64 |
| 03:15.52 | hayleyw | amd64 if you dont know |
| 03:16.01 | aabb1122 | ok found irssi thanks |
| 03:16.05 | n-iCe | uhm... isn't that for amd proc? |
| 03:16.05 | Bohemian | hayleyw: but it doesn't tell me where that is located... |
| 03:16.06 | hayleyw | you'd *know* if you needed ia64 |
| 03:16.16 | hayleyw | Bohemian, the deb file isnt stored once it's installed |
| 03:16.17 | nvz | n-iCe: no, its for the amd64 instruction set.. |
| 03:16.37 | n-iCe | 64 bits right? |
| 03:16.37 | hayleyw | n-iCe, read the install doc. it explains |
| 03:16.42 | Bohemian | hayleyw: well, i am trying to do this command, but can't because the linux-image isn't in the dir i was working in |
| 03:16.47 | nvz | n-iCe: which is on Athlon64, Phenom, etc.. as well as Intel Core 2 and such |
| 03:16.58 | Bohemian | hayleyw: dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24.5-grsec_grsec1.0_i386.deb |
| 03:17.01 | hayleyw | n-iCe, intel copied amd's 64-bit instructions. thus it's still known as amd64 |
| 03:17.02 | n-iCe | ok i use intel core 2, then I will download amd64 thanks |
| 03:17.16 | dbbddbdb | Hi! I'm using Debian Sid and after one upgrade mouse and keyboard stopped working (Wacom tablet however is usable). When I try to update or reinstall consolekit it says « consolekit: Casse: udev (< 147) mais 0.141-2 devra être installé \ xserver-xorg-core: Dépend: udev (>= 149) mais 0.141-2 devra être installé » |
| 03:17.20 | nvz | n-iCe: yes, ia64 will not work on your system |
| 03:17.21 | dbbddbdb | What is the least painful way to fix it? |
| 03:17.23 | hayleyw | Bohemian, yes. your point? after you do that, it is not stored anywhere |
| 03:17.28 | n-iCe | =) |
| 03:17.42 | Bohemian | hayleyw: if i type in that command, i get an error |
| 03:18.03 | hayleyw | my god. are you trying to dpkg -i a file without having the file? |
| 03:18.13 | hayleyw | jesus christ |
| 03:18.35 | Bohemian | hayleyw: linux-image-2.6.32.9-grsec_grsec1.0_i386.db (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or dir |
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| 03:18.59 | Bohemian | hayleyw: no, i did this already: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version "grsec1.0" kernel_image |
| 03:19.01 | hayleyw | Bohemian, stop smoking weed. aptitude and apt-get fetch packages. dpkg does not. |
| 03:19.27 | hayleyw | Bohemian, so cd ../ |
| 03:19.36 | nvz | Bohemian: did you type cd .. afterwards? |
| 03:20.03 | Bohemian | yes |
| 03:20.04 | Bohemian | it's not there |
| 03:20.21 | nvz | Bohemian: well it would probably be .deb not .db |
| 03:20.37 | hayleyw | you should certainly not be building your own kernel |
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| 03:21.45 | Bohemian | nvz: sorry i missed the e |
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| 03:22.29 | vchrizz | evening |
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| 03:22.42 | nvz | indeed |
| 03:22.50 | Bohemian | my error is : dpkg error processing linux-image-2.6.32.9-grsec_grsec1.0_i386.deb install cannot access archive no such file or dir. errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-26.32.9-grsec_grsec1.0_i386.deb |
| 03:22.54 | Bohemian | thats' the full error |
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| 03:23.14 | nvz | now you're missing a period ;) |
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| 03:23.57 | nvz | in any case you should not be trying to dpkg -i a file that doesn't exist |
| 03:24.11 | nvz | I always use tab-completion to avoid this |
| 03:24.16 | Bohemian | nvz: do you know why it doesn't exist? |
| 03:24.21 | nvz | I never type out package names |
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| 03:24.48 | vchrizz | sdb from my homerouter just died a minute ago it seems.. im lucky i can still access the host via ssh .. /proc/mdstat shows sdb faulty.. mdadm -r gives "bus error" .. so, what are my possibilities other than reboot? |
| 03:24.50 | Bohemian | i followed the instructions, i.e. make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version "grsec1.0" kernel_image and it ran its thing |
| 03:25.04 | nvz | Bohemian: no, I don't. |
| 03:25.29 | Bohemian | okay, thanks anyway |
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| 03:29.52 | nvz | Bohemian: lets just say hypothetically, you're not an idiot.. |
| 03:30.15 | nvz | Bohemian: why would you be building grsec with that tree anyhow instead of the latest one if you're going to do it? |
| 03:30.32 | Bohemian | nvz: because grsec only supports that kernel in stable |
| 03:30.36 | Bohemian | i don't want to use testing |
| 03:30.42 | xxiao_ | alright, 2.6.32 does not get logitech camera working, neither uvcvideo nor gspca work |
| 03:30.51 | Bohemian | so i picked the kernel that corresponds with the grsec patch |
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| 03:33.58 | vchrizz | xxiao_, which model do you use? |
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| 03:34.00 | rgr | xxiao_: m-a? |
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| 03:34.29 | nvz | Bohemian: are you sure you even patched, compiled, and packaged kernel source? |
| 03:34.40 | Bohemian | yup, but i'm trying it again |
| 03:34.43 | Bohemian | just for "fun" |
| 03:35.28 | xxiao_ | vchrizz: read uvcvideo, saying older quickcam does not work well, so tried with gspca in 2.6.32 and they don't work well. i did not m-a a-i |
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| 03:35.48 | xxiao_ | gspca in 2.6.26-2 actually worked |
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| 03:37.01 | xxiao_ | somehow uvcvideo can not work around logitech firmware bug like what gspca did |
| 03:37.20 | xxiao_ | back to 2.6.26-2 world |
| 03:37.42 | nvz | you mentioned earlier you had kids.. |
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| 03:38.01 | xxiao_ | nvz: does that have anything to do with 2.6.32 kernel ? :) |
| 03:38.03 | nvz | you realize what kids do with webcams right? heh |
| 03:38.11 | nvz | just throw it away |
| 03:38.16 | xxiao_ | oh my kids are preschools |
| 03:38.25 | nvz | oh, well then you're probably safe then |
| 03:38.42 | xxiao_ | for now that is |
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| 03:39.54 | xxiao_ | my son asked me about what's the difference between administer(windows) and root and superuser on linux today, and why does he need password, i guess he wants to crack my machines |
| 03:40.40 | nvz | yeah.. well just make sure he doesn't start reading slashdot and joining the gnaa |
| 03:41.14 | robbles_ | set up a honeypot for him :) |
| 03:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... time to delete all that pr0n |
| 03:42.27 | vchrizz | if its not crypted securely heh |
| 03:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for what you consider "educational" |
| 03:42.55 | nvz | ugh.. seriously.. I lived with a 4year old girl a few years ago.. my pr0n collection became non existent after that |
| 03:43.35 | nvz | she loved supertux though.. |
| 03:43.51 | nvz | now adays she's a regular smart ass it seems. |
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| 03:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... whenever I encrypted anything, I could just as well have deleted it without all the hassle |
| 03:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | same goes for the pgp key I made some years ago |
| 03:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | long passphrases and I just don't go together |
| 03:44.49 | vchrizz | use keyfiles |
| 03:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also like to lose usb sticks, before some... oh, someone did |
| 03:45.30 | nvz | heh.. my crypt passphrase is like 28 chars or something I think |
| 03:45.32 | xxiao_ | robbles_: honeypot seems neat |
| 03:45.39 | vchrizz | there are ways not losing keyfile with even showing it to everybody... |
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| 03:45.57 | nvz | I don't ever use the thing.. |
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| 03:46.20 | flaccid | ok so i burned debian squeeze alph1 netinst |
| 03:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, if you show it to enough people, at least one of them should be able to remember and tell you, so you can't lose it |
| 03:46.27 | nvz | more so because hooking up an external drive that requires a powerbrick is annoying, not so much cause of the password |
| 03:46.32 | flaccid | when it gets up to selecting language, it hangs wtf |
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| 03:47.10 | brbrbr | flaccid try install in text-mode |
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| 03:47.34 | flaccid | brbrbr i dont' see this option. debian installer is text and soon as it starts, it hangs |
| 03:47.35 | brbrbr | some issues with FB xorg "driver" i guess |
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| 03:47.59 | flaccid | there is no xorg, this is netinst |
| 03:48.02 | nvz | my uncle said he had the same problems with his amd64 machine when I was trying to walk him through installing over the phone.. he tried both amd64 and i386 images and it was freezing at language select he said |
| 03:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | passwords or phrases are a big problem... the original unix passwords needed ~1 second to encrypt on the machines used in those days... |
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| 03:48.58 | flaccid | nvz sounds like the same issue. did you find a solution/workaround? |
| 03:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | even brute-force isn't very useful with that :) |
| 03:49.15 | nvz | flaccid: na, I never even confirmed it, no more than I can confirm yours.. |
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| 03:49.27 | nvz | flaccid: I'd try getting to the syslog console before it happens |
| 03:49.33 | nvz | so I can see what actually happens |
| 03:49.40 | nvz | its tty 4 I think |
| 03:49.58 | brbrbr | CutMeOwnThroat depend approach rainbow-way-generated hash tables in remendously-sized ramdisks helps alot. sadly |
| 03:49.59 | flaccid | nvz i will try |
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| 03:50.07 | brbrbr | so we not secure anymore :/ |
| 03:50.27 | brbrbr | point is two-way auth/crypto is become eventual |
| 03:50.28 | Chihork | Hey Folks, a strange thing happened to me tonight. Debian Squeeze. When I went to login from gdm, Debian asked me to backup my kde3 settings, and started KDE4. That was strange. I usually use gnome. I logged out, and tried to login again. Gnome disappeared as a session option in GDM. gnome-failsafe only loads my background and cursor. I can't get Gnome back. Any ideas? |
| 03:50.37 | brbrbr | using ONLY password is dead-end |
| 03:50.47 | flaccid | nvz this is a brand new computer and fresh burn that passes integrity :( |
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| 03:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you get asked several passwords? |
| 03:51.31 | brbrbr | whats wrong with KDE4000 ? password bruteforcing ? |
| 03:51.35 | brbrbr | p.s. :) |
| 03:52.17 | flaccid | nvz i think its tty8. i can go to that before it gets to debian installer using expert mode, but it changes back to the tty where debian installer hangs. you can't get any information.. |
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| 03:52.35 | flaccid | is debian forcing me to use ubuntu? |
| 03:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you already send him to the kmuto images? |
| 03:53.21 | adb | flaccid, no debian forcing you to ...learn |
| 03:53.43 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat, no |
| 03:54.01 | flaccid | adb learn what exactly? |
| 03:54.16 | adb | flaccid, ask to CutMeOwnThroat please |
| 03:54.18 | flaccid | i need to install squeeze. this is preventing me from doing so |
| 03:54.24 | flaccid | adb huh? |
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| 03:54.56 | adb | flaccid, tried kmuto ? |
| 03:55.06 | flaccid | !kmuto |
| 03:55.07 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 03:55.32 | flaccid | not yet on this box. i have a kmuto lenny, i'll see if there is kmuto squeeze |
| 03:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, squeeze installer? are there official ones, I thought... |
| 03:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !squeeze install |
| 03:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's gorn? |
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| 03:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you there? |
| 03:56.01 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 03:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone's deleting factoids? |
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| 03:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, what squeeze installer? |
| 03:56.35 | flaccid | adb there is no kmuto squeeze. |
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| 03:57.08 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
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| 03:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, must be because the freeze is close |
| 03:58.28 | adb | flaccid, use kmuto lenny , just a basic install, and upgrade to squeeze |
| 03:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure the usually recommended procedure is to install lenny, then upgra.... as adb said |
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| 03:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not even the kmuto one.... |
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| 03:59.42 | adb | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:59.46 | adb | yes |
| 03:59.57 | adb | lenny-custom-0116.iso - kernel version 2.6.32 |
| 03:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a bug in the squeeze netinst and isn't necessarily kernel-related |
| 04:00.42 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat, yes in charging keyboard /language |
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| 04:01.08 | flaccid | ok i will go via debian lenny. please note that http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ recommends squeeze alpha1 |
| 04:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and where else would you get bugs, but in the alpha install images for the next release? |
| 04:01.34 | flaccid | well if i go expert mode which doesn't go to language first, its the main menu, it still crashes |
| 04:01.59 | adb | flaccid, note that : "for testings " |
| 04:02.03 | flaccid | its alpha, sure i expect bugs, but i also expect to at least be able to install it :) |
| 04:02.13 | flaccid | you can't test it, if you can't install it :p |
| 04:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said, the regular method to install testing is to install stable and upgrade |
| 04:02.43 | adb | you test the installer not the distribution ... |
| 04:02.59 | adb | flaccid, ^^ |
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| 04:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are normally no testing installers... they are in preparation to the next release |
| 04:03.27 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat sure y0. pity thats not what the official website says. |
| 04:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is *exactly* what the website says |
| 04:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | All images linked below are for the version of Debian Installer being developed for the next Debian release |
| 04:04.33 | rares | DURRRRRRRRRR! the php engine is explicitly disabled for mod_userdir WTF! |
| 04:04.40 | flaccid | i will do it via http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | they do recommend using those images... because they want them tested :) |
| 04:05.03 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat please reference where it says to install stable first on the debian website |
| 04:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | got an usb keyboard |
| 04:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, it's recommended to install stable. |
| 04:06.10 | flaccid | yes |
| 04:06.20 | flaccid | CutMeOwnThroat and i'm asking for a reference |
| 04:06.32 | flaccid | a quote etc. |
| 04:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean it's recommended to install stable, not testing at all |
| 04:07.13 | flaccid | this is for eucalyptus which is not supported in lenny |
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| 04:09.40 | tensorpudding | "This is the production release of Debian, the one which we primarily recommend using." |
| 04:09.49 | tensorpudding | on http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 04:10.24 | tensorpudding | there's a quote |
| 04:11.40 | flaccid | tensorpudding thanks, however CutMeOwnThroat inital comment was related to squeeze requirment, [14:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'm pretty sure the usually recommended procedure is to install lenny, then upgra.... as adb said |
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| 04:12.45 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 04:13.12 | tensorpudding | okay, sorry. |
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| 04:14.09 | adb | flaccid, and i said just to proof that debian not push you to install unntu , as you stated before |
| 04:14.36 | adb | s/and i said / and i said that |
| 04:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh, and I also said that there usually *are* no squeeze install images |
| 04:15.10 | flaccid | adb that was mainly sarcasm, i apologize.. |
| 04:15.27 | flaccid | guys can we just chill? |
| 04:15.29 | tensorpudding | It's possible to debootstrap testing isn't it? |
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| 04:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you never answered if you have an usb keyboard, did you? |
| 04:18.09 | hayleyw | tensorpudding, yes |
| 04:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I didn't put a question mark behind it |
| 04:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, DO you use an usb keyboard? |
| 04:20.11 | hayleyw | tensorpudding, debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /var/chroot/squeeze-ia32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 04:20.24 | adb | ia32 ? |
| 04:20.50 | hayleyw | it's irrelevant. you could name it squeeze-fart if you wanted to |
| 04:21.16 | hayleyw | but yes, ia32 == i386 |
| 04:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, actually, that looks like exactly his bug... "USB Keyboard did not work even with BIOS |
| 04:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | legacy emulation enabled once I passed the "Install" menu choice and was on the language screen" |
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| 04:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, there's a link on the squeeze download page and it explicitly says you should read the errata... |
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| 04:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 04:24.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 04:24.39 | CodeNinja | anyone know a way to remove the Ctrl+Q option for firefox? |
| 04:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package provides icons for minimized windows similar to what fvwm uses? |
| 04:24.47 | CodeNinja | I dont mind Alt+F4, but .-. |
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| 04:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, recompile, I'd say |
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| 04:25.09 | krisfremen | CodeNinja: there was an extension for that |
| 04:25.12 | krisfremen | to change the shortcuts |
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| 04:25.27 | krisfremen | i'm not sure what it was called or it it's supported in the latest firefox version |
| 04:25.29 | CodeNinja | krisfremen: hm, I'll take a look |
| 04:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I'm confusing that with xchat, where they're |
| 04:26.29 | CodeNinja | I only accidentally ctrl+q with firefox, because ctrl+w is kill tab |
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| 04:26.44 | krisfremen | so... i'm running 2.6.26, but that doesn't matter, i just need 2.6.30 kernel headers, but i'm at a loss in which repo it is |
| 04:26.55 | krisfremen | anyone can help me pin point the repo? |
| 04:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, of course, if you have amarok or so running, you could always define a global shortcut for ctrl-q that does nothing :) (only needs to be started before the browser then, I think) |
| 04:27.15 | CodeNinja | krisfremen: backports maybe? if you are on lenny |
| 04:27.23 | hayleyw | krisfremen, it's in lenny-backports |
| 04:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, doesn't it warn you for closing multiple tabs? |
| 04:27.27 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: haha thats a cheap, yet funny hack |
| 04:27.32 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I turned that off |
| 04:27.40 | krisfremen | hmm backports |
| 04:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's your mistake right away |
| 04:27.42 | hayleyw | krisfremen, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:27.43 | krisfremen | didn't check that |
| 04:27.44 | krisfremen | thanks! |
| 04:28.01 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: I got tired of it prompting me |
| 04:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | just hit more ctrl-w's |
| 04:28.23 | CodeNinja | when I say alt+f4, I mean alt+f4, I dont need to confirm what I'm doing :P |
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| 04:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I never quit |
| 04:28.48 | CodeNinja | me either |
| 04:28.56 | CodeNinja | but ctrl+q is too close to ctrl+w |
| 04:29.00 | CodeNinja | so I end up doing it on accident |
| 04:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, I actually normally kill it, not quit clearly |
| 04:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | why does it warn you then? :) |
| 04:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it never warns me! |
| 04:29.36 | CodeNinja | it doesnt |
| 04:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (nearly) |
| 04:29.41 | CodeNinja | I turned that option off |
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| 04:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I haven't turned it off and it never warns |
| 04:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just never run into that... it doesn't warn except if there's multiple tabs |
| 04:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I normally have a quick look through the tabs to see if they can all be closed... so I close one after the other with ctrl-w |
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| 04:31.45 | hayleyw | doesnt that warning give you the option to remember your choice? |
| 04:32.06 | hayleyw | so it doesnt warn you again? i've been using chromium for too long to remember if firefox does that |
| 04:32.14 | CodeNinja | it does, partially |
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| 04:32.27 | CodeNinja | but I'd rather not have ctrl+q bound to anything for firefox instead |
| 04:32.37 | CodeNinja | firefox is the only one I accidentally ctrl+q on |
| 04:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we gave you your options |
| 04:33.33 | nvz | Accidentally doing ^q is like accidentally getting someone pregnant.. heh |
| 04:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... it happens? |
| 04:34.01 | nvz | yeah but only if you were trying |
| 04:34.05 | CodeNinja | lol |
| 04:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, condoms can burst |
| 04:34.13 | CodeNinja | tried to use the pull out method |
| 04:34.16 | CodeNinja | it was apparently too late |
| 04:34.28 | nvz | yeah but dicks can stay in your pants too |
| 04:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that falls in the category of "trying" |
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| 04:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's kinda like saying if you don't run firefox, you can't accidentially close it by hitting ctrl-q, though |
| 04:35.16 | nvz | you can't accidentally hit ctrl+q for fucks sake |
| 04:35.27 | nvz | you gotta contort your hand to even hit it |
| 04:35.29 | CodeNinja | sure you can |
| 04:35.35 | CodeNinja | wut |
| 04:35.36 | CodeNinja | how so? |
| 04:35.43 | CodeNinja | w is the next letter from w |
| 04:35.44 | CodeNinja | er |
| 04:35.44 | CodeNinja | q |
| 04:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, and unwanted pregnancies don't happen |
| 04:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we got all angles covered now and can move on |
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| 04:36.47 | nvz | ah, well you were holding control to begin with and getting crazy... this is the same as the condom scenario.. can't just go all rambo cause you got a condom |
| 04:36.55 | CodeNinja | ... |
| 04:37.04 | CodeNinja | apparently you dont use one hand to ctr+q |
| 04:37.07 | CodeNinja | or ctrl+w |
| 04:37.12 | nvz | you can accidentally hit q when aiming for w, yes// |
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| 04:37.38 | nvz | but accidentally hiting ctrl and q at the same time is hard to believe.. |
| 04:37.41 | CodeNinja | ufffuuu |
| 04:37.51 | CodeNinja | how>? |
| 04:37.57 | ut | sometimes closes firefox windows when trying to delete the last word he typed |
| 04:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't they remove ctrl-w anyway? ah, no, that was backspace for back-in-history for |
| 04:38.12 | tensorpudding | Hitting ^Q instead of ^W is reasonable, I do that a lot. |
| 04:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you're kidding? |
| 04:38.26 | nvz | yeah it is, but you had to be holding control to begin with |
| 04:38.38 | nvz | you aren't just typing and whooops I hit ^q |
| 04:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you do that when you type ctrl-w |
| 04:38.57 | CodeNinja | exactly |
| 04:38.59 | nvz | yeah well thats the part of this I missed |
| 04:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | as he said is the moment when it happens from second one |
| 04:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs it in a bit further |
| 04:39.33 | nvz | I hit ^s sometimes when doing C-a C-a in screen |
| 04:39.37 | nvz | which is a pain in the ass |
| 04:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so is there anything that'll provide me with icons for minimized windows? I've only found tint2, but that gives a task-bar |
| 04:40.02 | nvz | but its my own fault for hammering on the keyboard like I'm chisling a stone tablet |
| 04:40.23 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean like nextstep/wmaker style? |
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| 04:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean like fvwm, which I used until today :) |
| 04:40.49 | nvz | ah.. Idk about fvwm.. |
| 04:40.54 | gandalfcome | I have created my own repo with reprepro and now would like to automatically upgrade only from this one. I looked at apt-get and aptitude but did not find where I can specify only a single repository |
| 04:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess "yes" |
| 04:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems there's only apps that make a taskbar or "tray" |
| 04:41.35 | nvz | thats a function of the wm how windows minimize, unless you do infact want a taskbar |
| 04:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbdesk! that looks like der bunny |
| 04:41.49 | nvz | you'd need a nextstep style wm like wmaker or something |
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| 04:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, docu for openbox says you can have such functionality by addons |
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| 04:42.33 | nvz | yeah, if you wanted to use openbox.. heh |
| 04:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, bet those are icons for files, though |
| 04:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well.. "wanted" lots of weird things happening under fvwm |
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| 04:43.24 | nvz | http://gnustep.org/images/full-screenshot1.png |
| 04:43.42 | nvz | you're talking all gnustep/nextstep looking like this, right? |
| 04:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, no |
| 04:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | or maybe |
| 04:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, they're all over the screen, not at the border |
| 04:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | like the file icons of nautilus |
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| 04:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | with openbox windows just disappear completely |
| 04:44.59 | nvz | so you want it to behave like Windows 3.x? LOL |
| 04:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you get them with a mouse-button menu... |
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| 04:45.32 | nvz | this is why I hate *vwm's they're all like decade or more old Microsoft Windows environments |
| 04:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | anything to select more easily from, say, 30 applications would be ok |
| 04:45.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I never used windows |
| 04:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I used 3.1 :) |
| 04:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was downhill ever after, wasn't it? :) |
| 04:46.49 | CodeNinja | <3 his wm setup |
| 04:46.51 | nvz | well I got Windows 3.11 for workgroups in virtual box |
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| 04:47.10 | nvz | remembering how much of a pain in the ass it is to even get the fucker to get online |
| 04:47.28 | nvz | seems it doesn't support ANY of the network adapters in VB |
| 04:47.46 | CodeNinja | thats because everything up to 98se didnt support any networking out of the box |
| 04:47.47 | nvz | aside from the fact that TCP/IP was a HACK of an afterthought |
| 04:47.59 | krisfremen | hmm, can't find it... |
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| 04:48.01 | krisfremen | am i blind? |
| 04:48.31 | adb | krisfremen, why exactly .30 , use .32 |
| 04:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | krisfremen, try waving yuor fingers in front of your eyes |
| 04:49.44 | Halleck | I have an svn user running svnserve via inetd, and i am trying to set up ViewVC... this is on an etch box. I'm having issues because viewvc runs under apache2 which is the www-data user. The default permissions for any new files in the repository are svn user and group owner. What is the most sane way to allow the www-data user read access to all new files made by the svn/svnserve process? |
| 04:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, for example... amarok was permanently *behind* all other windows for some reason?! |
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| 04:49.58 | ut | it's me again, with the debian box and the raid. the resyncing process seems to be taking down the system, leaving nothing in the logs. |
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| 04:50.28 | dondelelcaro | ut: taking it down how? do you have access to a serial console? |
| 04:50.38 | squisher | Hi, anyone have a clue what could cause ssh to abort with a "Write failed: Broken pipe" error in the middle of a session |
| 04:50.42 | dondelelcaro | ut: have you decreased the resync speed? |
| 04:50.44 | ut | all i've got is ssh and an im session with a guy with physical access, but no monitor. |
| 04:50.56 | krisfremen | adb: thing is, i'm trying to compile alsa, but for some weird reason the linux-headers-2.6.32 don't work |
| 04:50.57 | dondelelcaro | ut: no serial console? |
| 04:51.00 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: *shrug* thats all up to your wm. I use sawfish, and I have keybindings to force windows to any layer, or become ignored, iconfied..etc..etc |
| 04:51.04 | ut | no, no serial console. |
| 04:51.22 | dondelelcaro | ut: well, that's something that you kind of need; it's useless to have someone there without one |
| 04:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, I can force it to the top layer... |
| 04:51.36 | dondelelcaro | ut: but anyway, try turning down the resync speed, and see if that helps |
| 04:52.02 | ut | alright. |
| 04:52.18 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: if you were to use, say Ion3 or something, you don't have to worry about windows being on top of one another ;) |
| 04:52.21 | ut | how would that help? |
| 04:52.54 | Halleck | I tried editing /etc/group and /etc/gshadow so that the svn group changed from this "svn:x:1004:" to this "svn:x:1004:svn,www-data", similar for the gshadow file, but it didn't fix the viewVC error |
| 04:53.01 | nvz | though if I recall correctly ion has a special workspace for if you really want your windows to be "normal" |
| 04:53.10 | dondelelcaro | ut: I'm guessing that the reason you're having a problem is because the machine is becoming io starved, not actually failing |
| 04:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no thanks |
| 04:53.25 | dondelelcaro | ut: but it's impossible to find out without a serial console |
| 04:53.30 | ut | ah, i see. |
| 04:53.46 | ut | well, vaguely. |
| 04:53.57 | adb | krisfremen, which exactly you need , i386 . amd64 ? .30-1 ? .30-2 ? |
| 04:54.12 | ut | would you think if i started it resyncing, and then gave it several hours, i'd be able to log in again then? |
| 04:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you convinced me to go back to fvwm2, though :) |
| 04:54.23 | nvz | I think its called floating in ion or something |
| 04:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | for now |
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| 04:54.47 | dondelelcaro | ut: possibly, but i can't say. are the hard drive lights going on the machine? |
| 04:54.54 | nvz | *shrug* I like sawfish myself.. heh |
| 04:54.59 | nvz | wouldn't use anything else |
| 04:55.40 | nvz | if you held a sharpened parenthesis to my throat I'd still (be (using (sawifish))) |
| 04:55.52 | Halleck | and fixing the permissions by hand so that the group of all files is :www-data fixes the viewVC error, but any time svn is updated, it breaks viewVC due to the permissions error |
| 04:56.25 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: the group shouldn't be www-data. www-data should be in the group that has read permissions on the svn repository |
| 04:56.26 | krisfremen | adb: i need the kernel headers for .32-3, but i couldn't get them to work, so i'm trying to see if it'll work with an older kernel |
| 04:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, I like fvwm2, but it's kinda buggy |
| 04:56.50 | adb | krisfremen, http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.30-2/ |
| 04:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also have it very nicely configured to what I want |
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| 04:57.36 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: well from the looks of it, windowmaker (wmaker), and gnustep / nextstep would be the closest things to it. |
| 04:57.38 | krisfremen | thanks adb, i'll try that |
| 04:57.48 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks just like window maker to me from the screenshots |
| 04:57.54 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: Can I just add www-data to the svn group (the group for the svn user) that was made by defualt when he was made? If so, can you direct me to the proper syntax, as the one I was trying from the results of my internet searches didn't seem to have any effect |
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| 04:58.31 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: and window maker has a GUI config tool, unlike fvwm2 |
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| 04:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, they're uglier ;) - also, openbox works quite ok without changing too much on the config and seems nicely bugfree and standard conform |
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| 04:59.04 | ut | says he didn't notice. atm, speed_limit_max is 200000. think i should set it at 50000 and see how that goes? |
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| 05:02.44 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: that's usually what you do |
| 05:02.45 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: well there is also afterstep.. I fogot about that one. |
| 05:03.08 | nvz | http://www.afterstep.org/ |
| 05:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, but I found what does it for amarok |
| 05:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must have messed with the config |
| 05:03.51 | slb_ | does anyone use enlightenment anymore |
| 05:04.02 | slb_ | many moons ago that was a sick wm |
| 05:04.15 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: though honestly, my publicly readable repositories are readable by anyone, so you don't need viewsvn to be in a specific group |
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| 05:04.26 | nvz | I always hated E |
| 05:04.27 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: you'll probably also want to switch to websvn instead of viewsvn |
| 05:04.55 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: In /etc/group I changed the line "svn:x:1004:" to "svn:x:1004:svn,www-data" and in /etc/gshadow "svn:!::" to "svn:!::svn, www-data" but it seemed to have no effect on www-data being able to access files chowned to the svn group |
| 05:05.02 | slb_ | really why didnt you like ?E |
| 05:05.19 | slb_ | i didnt use it but it looks real slick |
| 05:05.25 | slb_ | the themes were sick |
| 05:05.39 | nvz | cause it was a piece of crap I dont go for looks ever |
| 05:05.43 | nvz | I go for functionality |
| 05:05.45 | slb_ | lol |
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| 05:06.06 | nvz | which is why my wm has no visible elements at all other than the window frames themselves which are optional |
| 05:06.14 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: that's fine but I don't know how to change the default file permissions generated by just the svnserve process running as the svn user under inetd |
| 05:06.16 | slb_ | i dont even use x |
| 05:06.26 | slb_ | has 0 purpose for me |
| 05:06.33 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: uh... aren't you serving local subversion repositories? |
| 05:06.41 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 05:06.45 | flaccid | same thing happened with standard lenny cd netinst. time to try kmuto |
| 05:06.49 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: then you don't need svnserve |
| 05:07.07 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: i'm serving them over the internet to other users as well |
| 05:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | slb_, right... compiling inkscape for aalib is totally worth it |
| 05:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Halleck: do those users need to modify anything? |
| 05:07.25 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: haha |
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| 05:07.33 | slb_ | lol |
| 05:07.35 | Halleck | dondelelcaro: yes it's a team repository |
| 05:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, helps you get rid of the cruft! |
| 05:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | mplayer already has an aalib output plugin... |
| 05:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing better than a movie via aalib |
| 05:08.37 | slb_ | ive considered installing mythtv and just making it a frontend for my tv and media cause my box is really solely for network/server purposes but im not sure if it will really handle it |
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| 05:08.57 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: I used console only for many years but at the time I didnt do anything too complicated... I used mplayer for video using svgalib or aalib.. and that was about the only time I ever needed graphics other than maybe links2 -g |
| 05:09.21 | nvz | lately I fool with a lot of things from time to time that I need X for |
| 05:09.35 | slb_ | for my purporses i just need to maybe config stuff or something |
| 05:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice... if I call "afterstep" , it doesn't exit with an error, but crashes my current X session |
| 05:09.41 | slb_ | its not my primary os |
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| 05:10.00 | nvz | hah |
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| 05:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, nothing wrong with slick, though, if the functionality was there |
| 05:11.20 | mischief | how can i downgrade from grub 2 to grub legacy in a system i am chrooting into? |
| 05:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd even give compiz a serious try if it wouldn't suck so much :) |
| 05:11.47 | DogBoy | what could be serious about that |
| 05:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the crashs |
| 05:11.59 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: I find plenty wrong with it. For the same reasons I don't particularly like all this automagic shit like hal, udev, avahi..etc.. its harder to learn all that stuff to undo it and do something custom when you want to, than it used to be when you had to do it all manually |
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| 05:12.23 | DogBoy | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't do anything serious to begin with |
| 05:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... udev is nice... |
| 05:12.30 | DogBoy | all fluf |
| 05:12.44 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: if I want a grandfather clock in the middle of my desktop with a Mr. T haircut and eyes that follow my mouse.. its all easily done in sawfish.. heh |
| 05:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | DogBoy, it would be a neat way to accomodate my 20 desktops or so... you could place them on a 4D hypercube... |
| 05:13.06 | kraehe | is trying to get an intel graphic card on DVI running with debian - but driver checks on VGA finds no monitor and quits with "(II) intel(0): Output VGA disconnected" "(EE) intel(0): No valid modes." |
| 05:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they don't even use the surface on the "top" and "bottom" of the regular cube |
| 05:13.17 | DogBoy | neat in like looks cool and impresses chicks |
| 05:13.23 | DogBoy | but not really useful |
| 05:13.36 | nvz | I never try to impress chics |
| 05:13.40 | slb_ | lol |
| 05:13.46 | kraehe | using lenny |
| 05:14.02 | nvz | strangely enough that makes them curious and defeats my purpose of trying to make them not like me |
| 05:14.17 | nvz | the more ignorant you are, the more they like you.. |
| 05:14.22 | nvz | its crazy, but thats how it works |
| 05:14.34 | tensorpudding | You want people to not like you? |
| 05:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf, has someone removed factoids? |
| 05:14.44 | nvz | I don't want to be bothered |
| 05:14.51 | flaccid | if kmuto fails, i won't be happy :( |
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| 05:15.06 | tensorpudding | Well, you could be a horrifically disagreeable person, that would probably make people dislike you. |
| 05:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | he is! |
| 05:15.17 | nvz | I've been in pain all my f'n life, and if I can't figure out how to make it go away people just annoy me. |
| 05:15.45 | nvz | as does pretty much everything else.. I stop the microwave before the timer runs out ffs |
| 05:15.50 | nvz | just so I don't hear it beep |
| 05:16.04 | nvz | considered taking it apart many times just to rip the f'n beeper out |
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| 05:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, install grub instead of grub-pc? |
| 05:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions grub |
| 05:16.56 | judd | grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-59; squeeze: 0.97-59 |
| 05:17.02 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 05:17.20 | mischief | judd: versions grub-legacy |
| 05:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this rethorical question was in fact the answer to your queston |
| 05:17.21 | judd | grub-legacy -- sid: 0.97-59; squeeze: 0.97-59 |
| 05:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or intended to be |
| 05:17.39 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat: i have to use grub legacy. |
| 05:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions grub-pc |
| 05:18.01 | judd | grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98~20100115-1; sid: 1.98-1 |
| 05:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's grub-pc in squeeze then? |
| 05:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub |
| 05:19.01 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 05:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you're right |
| 05:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, grub is only a meta package |
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| 05:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird... the lenny grub package is still a real package, but apt-cache show only shows me the squeeze metapackages |
| 05:22.03 | flaccid | excuse me if im ignorant, just so i know, there is a live cd/graphical/xorg installer right? |
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| 05:23.02 | adb | !debian-live |
| 05:23.02 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://live.debian.net/ Note that the live CD doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:23.18 | flaccid | danke |
| 05:23.23 | adb | bitte |
| 05:23.23 | flaccid | !debootstrap |
| 05:23.23 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 05:24.12 | adb | flaccid, so kmuto don't worked ? |
| 05:24.55 | fdfr | hi all, i get this from glxinfo | grep render Error: glXCreateContext failed, and i belive it happend after i dist upgraded my debian testing, what can it be? lsmod | grep nv shows the nvidia kernel module loaded, i have the proprietary driver |
| 05:25.14 | flaccid | adb still downloading |
| 05:25.24 | adb | okey .. |
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| 05:25.55 | adb | flaccid, what's your machine ? |
| 05:26.28 | flaccid | adb a brand new intel core i3 system |
| 05:26.36 | flaccid | all brand new. gigabyte mainboard |
| 05:26.44 | flaccid | mostly intel components |
| 05:27.03 | adb | huh .. |
| 05:27.30 | flaccid | huh ? |
| 05:27.45 | fdfr | and i have the xorg.conf generated by nvidia-xconfig, so xorg is using the nvidia driver but no hardware acceleration |
| 05:28.27 | fdfr | someone was saying that installing firmware-linux fixed it for his ati, but nothing for me |
| 05:28.47 | adb | flaccid, ah , then .. |
| 05:29.09 | flaccid | then what sorry? |
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| 05:30.33 | flaccid | i give hup heh |
| 05:31.42 | adb | flaccid, why kmuto lenny wont worked , have you told us that already ? maybe i missed |
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| 05:31.54 | flaccid | waiting for it to download |
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| 05:32.36 | adb | ? you said heving an old kmuto around |
| 05:32.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.51 | flaccid | i386, i want amd64 |
| 05:33.03 | flaccid | thus did not use |
| 05:33.04 | flaccid | could test bust |
| 05:33.06 | flaccid | 1 sec! |
| 05:33.32 | adb | try i386 too , is a good start |
| 05:33.46 | aropupu | umm, okay? i just did ^Kd in joe and it went somehow fucked up & i had to kill it. when i re-opened the file i was editing, the file consisted of ~50 lines of filenames in the directory it was in (it used to be ~400 lines of php code), i looked at file.php~ and it was a couple of days old? |
| 05:33.55 | aropupu | wtf did i just do or is my computer breaking up |
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| 05:38.17 | mischief | why is there no lomount in debian's xen packages.. :( |
| 05:39.59 | adb | mount: /sbin/losetup |
| 05:40.02 | flaccid | adb ok i386 kumuto didn't hang on installer |
| 05:40.10 | adb | see ... |
| 05:40.13 | flaccid | so i have a good chance w/ amd64 kumuto |
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| 05:40.22 | flaccid | so my hardware is too new i guess |
| 05:40.24 | flaccid | yes i do see |
| 05:40.33 | flaccid | but i can't speed up kmuto server can i :) |
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| 05:41.18 | flaccid | just finished now |
| 05:41.19 | flaccid | burning |
| 05:41.49 | adb | flaccid, install kmuto i386 , then do a debootstrap amd64 , reserve a partition special for amd64 |
| 05:42.03 | adb | say ~5 GB |
| 05:42.19 | flaccid | i will try kmuto amd64 first |
| 05:42.23 | adb | sure |
| 05:42.35 | kraehe | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498690 <- i fear this is a doorstopper for using debian/lenny on this system ;-( |
| 05:42.49 | kraehe | s/this/my new shuttle xpc/ |
| 05:45.46 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 05:46.28 | Psi-Jack | Seems Xen 3.4 stuff is only in squeeze & sid. |
| 05:46.48 | mischief | how do i mount partitions from a hard drive image? |
| 05:47.38 | Halleck | i'll come back later if I can't figure it out I guess |
| 05:47.47 | Halleck | waves to CutMeOwnThroat dibbler ;) |
| 05:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm? |
| 05:49.55 | krisfremen | adb: yeah... still doesn't work :S |
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| 05:50.42 | krisfremen | snap snap snap |
| 05:50.44 | krisfremen | BLAST! |
| 05:51.16 | flaccid | ok so lenny-custom-0302.iso did the same thing |
| 05:51.24 | flaccid | problem appears to be mad64 |
| 05:51.27 | flaccid | amd64 |
| 05:51.45 | flaccid | should i be trying 0116 or 0627 before debootstrap? |
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| 05:54.18 | flaccid | adb? |
| 05:54.27 | adb | flaccid, apply plan B. i386 ;) |
| 05:54.51 | adb | 0116.iso |
| 05:54.53 | flaccid | hmm i guess its going to have to |
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| 05:55.20 | flaccid | 0116 i386 ? |
| 05:55.25 | adb | yes |
| 05:55.28 | flaccid | danke |
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| 05:56.31 | adb | flaccid, but i'll use the 'old' kmuto you have already |
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| 05:57.14 | flaccid | yeah most likely, i need to find a way to confirm which iso it was from because i didn't label it :( |
| 05:57.18 | adb | krisfremen, paste your error, someone may help |
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| 06:03.50 | MoMo | i installed 504 from CD1 and 2 and installed the laptop package as well for my desktop -- I am using a wireless adapater that appears when i do ifconfig as wlan0 -- how do i enter my WEP details so i can connect (DHCP) |
| 06:04.20 | liable | with iwconfig |
| 06:04.36 | MoMo | i saw this -- but couldn't find anything on google with regards to the WEP part |
| 06:04.44 | liable | wireless-tools package needed |
| 06:05.04 | liable | man iwconfig |
| 06:05.45 | MoMo | i did -- it makes no sense to me |
| 06:05.49 | MoMo | hence i'm hear |
| 06:05.50 | MoMo | here |
| 06:06.17 | MoMo | i did the iwconfig parameters -- but i don't know where it goes .. it doesn't update the interfaces file |
| 06:06.36 | liable | it doesnt update the interfaces file, its a cli tool |
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| 06:06.54 | anao | Hello@All is there a realtime newsticker for debian? |
| 06:07.15 | MoMo | so everytime i reboot i have to reissue the iwconfig commands? |
| 06:07.28 | liable | MoMo: you can edit that file to add it |
| 06:07.54 | liable | zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 06:08.46 | liable | anao: an rss reader? lots |
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| 06:09.39 | anao | like liferea realtime of all news bbc+cnn... |
| 06:11.46 | MoMo | liable: i reviewed that document -- and then grepped for wep .. and then grepped for wireless -- i'm not sure if this is a good example |
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| 06:17.08 | liable | MoMo: ok, see 'man interfaces' grep for wireless |
| 06:17.31 | liable | it tells you that any wireless stanzas need to be preceded by wireless- |
| 06:18.05 | liable | so to set key, it would be wireless-key 0xDEADBEEF or s:keystring |
| 06:19.13 | MoMo | okay |
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| 06:19.18 | MoMo | after i configure interfaces |
| 06:19.30 | MoMo | i can just /etc/init.d/networking restart ... yes? |
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| 06:20.59 | MoMo | ahh |
| 06:21.01 | MoMo | here is a riddle |
| 06:21.33 | MoMo | if my essid starts with a # .. will this effect the interfaces file when i do wireless-essid #a2min4 |
| 06:23.48 | _Trinity_ | try it and let us know |
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| 06:25.07 | MoMo | _Trinity_ -- no, the issue is its NOT working. so, i am not sure if its the culprit |
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| 06:28.01 | MoMo | i also have something called wmaster0 -- when i do ifconfig wmaster0 down ... my wlan0 in ifconfig disappears as well |
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| 06:30.16 | cahoot | wmaster0 is an internal-use interface for mac80211 - leave it alone |
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| 06:31.37 | MoMo | okay |
| 06:32.50 | MoMo | when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart -- i see before it starts searching for DHCP it says master0: unknown hardware address type 901 |
| 06:33.03 | MoMo | sorry 801 not 901 |
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| 06:33.41 | MoMo | nevermind -- it magically got a ip this time |
| 06:33.50 | MoMo | crazy -- thanks all for your help |
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| 06:35.01 | MoMo | so now that i'm online -- how do i configure apt-get to pull from the internet and no longer cds? |
| 06:35.27 | tamash | MoMo: vi /etc/apt/sources.conf |
| 06:35.38 | MoMo | thanks |
| 06:35.41 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.50 | DogBoy | heh, if he don't know how to do that, he don't know how to use vi no doubt |
| 06:35.57 | tamash | well nano ok |
| 06:36.01 | tamash | and it is sources.list |
| 06:36.02 | tamash | sry |
| 06:36.19 | DogBoy | or sources [tab] |
| 06:36.34 | MoMo | its safe if it has references to lenny? |
| 06:36.47 | tamash | yes, lenny is stable. |
| 06:36.49 | MoMo | i know vi =P (enough) |
| 06:37.12 | tamash | perfect....than stick with vi instead of nano :) |
| 06:37.20 | MoMo | i thought 504 was refered to as etch |
| 06:38.17 | tamash | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 06:38.32 | adb | !sources |
| 06:38.32 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:38.54 | MoMo | thanks |
| 06:39.12 | tamash | adb: nice one |
| 06:39.23 | tamash | !help |
| 06:40.05 | adb | MoMo, add a # before each line that has cdrom inside in /sources.list |
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| 06:41.42 | MoMo | yeah i got that =) |
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| 06:43.03 | flaccid | adb ok, time to do that install i guess |
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| 06:43.56 | adb | flaccid, good luck, bbl |
| 06:44.17 | flaccid | okies |
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| 06:57.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:57.42 | dpkg | < rahul> #kde seems to be about as knowledgable as #ubuntu |
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| 07:00.51 | flaccid | ah cool. so i guess i could install say ubuntu 9.10 (coz i need to do for work) and debootstrap from that |
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| 07:06.10 | tamash | !sources |
| 07:06.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:07.33 | MoMo | what do i do if i'm trying to install syslinux with apt-get install syslinux and it says couldn't find package syslinux |
| 07:08.28 | nvz | MoMo: is that ALL it says? |
| 07:08.29 | adb | !tell tamash -about help |
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| 07:09.04 | nvz | MoMo: try apt-get update |
| 07:09.21 | MoMo | it says other things like reading package lists building dependency tree reading state information |
| 07:09.42 | nvz | yeah thats all normal parsing the package cache |
| 07:10.11 | MoMo | i did apt-get update again just now and then apt-get install syslinux -- same thing |
| 07:10.43 | nvz | MoMo: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.debian.net? |
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| 07:11.16 | MoMo | no |
| 07:11.24 | MoMo | my current config won't allow that to happen |
| 07:11.30 | nvz | hah, why? |
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| 07:12.06 | MoMo | because the linux machine is command line standalone -- i am dual boxing on wxp |
| 07:12.12 | MoMo | i can give you this jist of the file though |
| 07:12.21 | nvz | there is a command line program for this |
| 07:12.40 | nvz | MoMo: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 07:13.18 | MoMo | http://security.debian.org lenny/update main && http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile both deb and deb-src |
| 07:13.27 | MoMo | apq |
| 07:13.32 | nvz | neither of those are a package mirror |
| 07:13.44 | nvz | well a normal official mirror |
| 07:13.49 | nvz | those are just for security updates |
| 07:14.15 | MoMo | i was able to apt-get install dnsmasq .. but not syslinux or pastebinit |
| 07:14.32 | nvz | MoMo: there are no other URLs other than those two? |
| 07:14.33 | MoMo | what is a normal mirror? |
| 07:14.38 | MoMo | there are 4 |
| 07:14.45 | MoMo | 2 of each one deb and the other deb-src |
| 07:14.50 | nvz | MoMo: where about are you from? |
| 07:14.55 | MoMo | Marz |
| 07:15.05 | MoMo | or California .. you can pick |
| 07:15.38 | MoMo | or West coast USA if your not from america |
| 07:15.52 | nvz | try adding "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main" without the qoutes and apt-get update again |
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| 07:16.03 | MoMo | ok thanks |
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| 07:16.21 | nvz | MoMo: kernel.org should be fairly quick for you in the US |
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| 07:16.35 | nvz | its what I use, and I'm from Pittsburgh |
| 07:16.52 | MoMo | no deb src? |
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| 07:17.11 | nvz | the src lines are only for getting source packages |
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| 07:17.22 | nvz | you're just looking for binaries right now |
| 07:17.34 | nvz | and need an official debian package repo |
| 07:17.43 | nvz | ftp.us.debian.org would work too |
| 07:17.55 | nvz | but I find that mirrors.kernel.org is usually faster |
| 07:18.33 | MoMo | some errors |
| 07:18.46 | MoMo | gzip: stdin : not in gzip format |
| 07:19.01 | MoMo | following signatures were invalid nodata1 nodata 2 |
| 07:19.08 | MoMo | a couple more |
| 07:19.16 | MoMo | but i don't think it liked that mirrior |
| 07:19.52 | nvz | try replacing mirrors.kernel.org with ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:20.02 | MoMo | keep the http:// ? |
| 07:20.07 | nvz | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 07:20.10 | nvz | is the full line |
| 07:21.37 | MoMo | that works now |
| 07:21.45 | MoMo | thank you sooo much nvz |
| 07:21.52 | nvz | that is a standard US debian package repo |
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| 07:22.03 | nvz | you may want to add contrib and non-free to that line |
| 07:22.11 | MoMo | what are those? |
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| 07:22.51 | nvz | MoMo: debian only has DFSG software in main, contrib is for packages that require non-DFSG packages, and non-free is non-DFSG complaint |
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| 07:23.18 | jelly-home | politically, non-free is not part of Debian at all |
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| 07:23.29 | nvz | MoMo: the syslinux you mentioned is in main.. but there are some things you may need in the future (Sun's Java for example) not in main |
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| 07:24.03 | zrin | I'm trying to make a server boot no matter what HDDs are attached and working, so I'm using CF as primary IDE master (hoping that BIOS will always keep it as the first drive in the list). I'd like to reduce CF wear-out and make the server accessible via ssh no matter what HDDs have failed. I'm looking for suggestions - |
| 07:25.19 | zrin | ... like using 'noatime', mounting /var somwhere else (e.g. /dev/vg/var) _if available_ (how?), perhaps synchronizing to CF on schedule |
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| 07:26.53 | zrin | ... or something like "check if vg/var and vg/swap are available: if yes boot normally, if no boot in maintenance mode with alternative /var and without swap" ... the server should be on 24/7 |
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| 07:31.39 | zrin | jelly-home: do you have an idea how to realize "mount /dev/vg/var on /var if available, if not then mount it on /dev/hda2 and enter "maintenance mode" - perhaps a special runlevel?" |
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| 07:32.11 | cast | wonders whats going on here |
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| 07:32.45 | nvz | it would seem this user is trying to prevent a computer from ever breaking which is impossible |
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| 07:32.59 | nvz | mostly stop it from failing to boot, when it should only ever boot once in the first place |
| 07:33.05 | cast | if the server should be on then whats with the trying to boot different OSes |
| 07:33.33 | cast | should be on 24/7 |
| 07:33.47 | nvz | idk.. I almost responded a few times, but it just keeps getting more and more crazy as he rambles on |
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| 07:34.05 | cast | zrin: have you heard of RAID and LVM snapshots? :) |
| 07:34.16 | zrin | nvz ... consider havin a remote server where you have to drive 2 hours to get to it |
| 07:34.21 | nvz | experience teaches us to pretend not to be looking to avoid being sucked into unsolvable situations |
| 07:34.48 | cast | only two hours drive? some of us have to fly |
| 07:34.52 | nvz | lots of people have those.. heh |
| 07:34.56 | nvz | seriously.. |
| 07:35.14 | zrin | cast: of course ... have you heard of systems stuck at "loading operating system" or "grub error" or "waiting for root fs" - where they could be rapared easyly |
| 07:35.34 | cast | zrin: rather than trying to do weirdass shit, how about you stick with whats known to work |
| 07:36.00 | cast | if you do have such an issue, you just ssh into the system controller |
| 07:37.08 | zrin | cast: ok, system controller is like ⬠400, that's nice but what if most of teh problems can be solved by a little piece of software or few scripts? |
| 07:37.11 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band_management |
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| 07:38.08 | cast | well, thats not really possible |
| 07:38.23 | nvz | its hard enough remotely supporting an actual issue, much less remotely supporting a hypothetical remote issue |
| 07:38.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:39.02 | cast | though, i suppose, the system controller is that little piece of software :) |
| 07:39.49 | nvz | yeah I could sit here and tell you to get a throw-away PII that has WOL and can act as a PXE boot.. or something else all rube goldberg |
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| 07:40.02 | zrin | some hosting providers let the machines always (try to) boot from network and can choose to boot into maintenance mode after reset that way |
| 07:40.03 | nvz | or you can just get the device designed for the job |
| 07:40.38 | nvz | most hosting providers are running virtual servers, so when something fails to boot, its actually still running |
| 07:40.40 | cast | sometimes boxes lock up hard, they look like they've dropped off the network. othertimes, something like LDAP or NFS will take a dump and you'll find you can't login to fix it, you could try to write scripts to account for these things, but that would mean a lot of different scripts, and in some cases a script isn't going to be able to run, |
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| 07:41.34 | cast | if you're trying to guard against hard drive failure, use a two or three way mirror. |
| 07:42.23 | nvz | or you can just ship the damn server to china and pay some little chinese kid to be there when shit hit the fan.. or you could go see a native american which doctor, or goto a magic store and get a magic wand.. or goto staples and ask for an "easy button".. or.. |
| 07:42.33 | nvz | no wait, you could stop dreaming.. heh |
| 07:42.34 | zrin | cast: during past few years I had few accounts where remote machine wouldn't boot any more. all of them were due to grub or kernel not finding the right partition |
| 07:42.54 | cast | and how did that fuckup come about |
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| 07:43.21 | zrin | cast: hdd failing, new kernel renaming devices |
| 07:43.41 | zrin | cast: If I solve that I solved 80% of the problems |
| 07:43.45 | nvz | you can use labels and uuids to avoid those problems |
| 07:43.57 | cast | heh. |
| 07:44.16 | nvz | and raid/lvm like he said earlier |
| 07:44.52 | cast | we've long ago solved the problem of one leg of a mirror failing :) |
| 07:44.58 | zrin | nvz: not really: initramfs scripts won't bother to start LVM if your root= doesn't look like /dev/mapper/name-something |
| 07:45.44 | cast | and if you use lvm what will your root look like? |
| 07:46.36 | cast | mine looks like root=/dev/mapper/sys-root :) |
| 07:46.39 | zrin | cast: the problem is "sda failed. bios might see it or not. bios boots from some other device (perhaps all have grub installed, but - what is (hd0,0) now?" |
| 07:47.06 | nvz | this is why we pretend not to hear issues like this.. because for every solution there is a problem, its an unsolvable issue.. because the issue itself is hypothetical and the problem is the user. |
| 07:47.15 | nvz | replace user, bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 07:47.18 | cast | now you've changed the problem from linux not being able to find /, to grub not being able to find linux |
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| 07:47.33 | zrin | cast: I mentioned both problems |
| 07:48.09 | zrin | cast: I'm trying to solve both by having a CF disk and root fs on it |
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| 07:48.38 | zrin | cast: so BIOS finds it, grub finds it, kernel finds it |
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| 07:48.56 | votality | hi guys not a specific debian question but an lvm one |
| 07:48.58 | zrin | cast: now I'd like to protect the poor CF a bit, that's all |
| 07:49.04 | votality | to use lvm snapshots how do you partition |
| 07:49.22 | votality | leave free space in the volume group ? |
| 07:49.41 | DogBoy | zrin, this has been solved already mostly |
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| 07:49.59 | DogBoy | people have used cf to boot and run root for years now |
| 07:50.04 | cast | votality: you can either use a partition or a whole drive as a pv |
| 07:50.24 | DogBoy | zrin, in other words it's a google question |
| 07:50.34 | DogBoy | I've done it myself even |
| 07:50.34 | zrin | DogBoy: I assume so, there is more then one solution, I'm asking your your opinion and some hints and suggestions |
| 07:50.42 | votality | so i create a seperate partition to contain the snapshots |
| 07:50.51 | votality | i.e ive got a partition for root |
| 07:50.53 | DogBoy | my suggestion is you study what you can find on google |
| 07:51.04 | DogBoy | rather than asking on irc |
| 07:51.07 | nvz | dpkg, what is your opinion? |
| 07:51.09 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, nvz |
| 07:51.16 | nvz | dpkg, opinion? |
| 07:51.17 | DogBoy | you're gonna get more mileage |
| 07:51.17 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nvz |
| 07:51.25 | nvz | good bot.. |
| 07:51.29 | zrin | DobBoy: I'll be thankful for some hints, keywords |
| 07:51.34 | cast | votality: it goes like this: pvs make up a vg. lvs go in the vg. a snapshot is just another lv in your vg, consequently to make a snapshot you need some spare space in your vg |
| 07:52.06 | votality | right.. fair enough |
| 07:52.44 | cast | http://grub.enbug.org/MirroringRAID wow |
| 07:52.45 | DogBoy | for example zrin http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/linux-on-flash.html |
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| 07:54.27 | zrin | cast: thank you, I'm doing that already (for years), but now I have systems with many of HDDs and I don't like to span raid1 over all of them for /boot |
| 07:54.41 | zrin | DogBoy: thank you |
| 07:54.52 | PiousMinion | Is there a gui tool to show lvm volumes/groups, etc? |
| 07:54.57 | cast | most people only bother to span boot over 1 |
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| 07:55.00 | DogBoy | I run several devices like that for a few years now zrin |
| 07:55.17 | cast | over 2* |
| 07:55.33 | zrin | over 2^2 |
| 07:55.38 | cast | some people have triple mirrors, haven't seen one yet |
| 07:56.14 | votality | PiousMinion: lvdisplay |
| 07:56.21 | zrin | cast: but eve that failed when BIOS kept the failing drive as the first one |
| 07:56.22 | votality | and i think there is a vgdisplay |
| 07:56.39 | cast | zrin: ahh. get a sun box? :) |
| 07:56.55 | zrin | cast: well, that's a nice hint :) |
| 07:57.22 | cast | in the vein of nvz's suggestion, you could create a HW watchdog that restarts the system and boots it off USB if a certain action doesn't happen every X seconds, with a microcontroller |
| 07:57.52 | zrin | cast: niche idea, similar to booting from network and then deciding what to do |
| 07:57.52 | cast | would be about 30$ worth of parts me thinks |
| 07:58.16 | cast | the mcu will also have it's own internal watchdog, incase that fucks up too... |
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| 07:59.10 | zrin | cast: so perhaps I cann boot from CF then check the system, then boot the real thing or wait for me to ssh in |
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| 07:59.41 | cast | pretty confident in your CF are you? |
| 08:00.28 | PiousMinion | votality: not gui |
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| 08:00.42 | zrin | cast: If the BIOS keeps it as the first drive and if I don't have to write to it alot and if there is a spare one attached to the machine so any user can insert it - yes |
| 08:00.48 | nvz | passes cast his rube goldberg award |
| 08:00.49 | votality | eh ? |
| 08:00.55 | votality | their commandline you tool |
| 08:01.27 | PiousMinion | votality: Exactly. You aparently didn't bother to read my question. |
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| 08:01.48 | DogBoy | zrin, why bother guessing just set grub and fstab to use uuid or labels |
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| 08:01.52 | votality | i read it just not properly |
| 08:01.54 | votality | and their is a tool |
| 08:01.57 | cast | PiousMinion: you have a mouse, you can click on the words! what more do you need |
| 08:02.06 | PiousMinion | cast: lol |
| 08:02.17 | zrin | DogBoy: grub can search for UUID or Label? |
| 08:02.17 | votality | but im not in debian but its in the prefs/admin tools i think |
| 08:02.19 | cast | PiousMinion: but seriously, guis just fuck shit up. |
| 08:02.31 | Psi-Jack | Nice mouth. |
| 08:02.35 | Psi-Jack | Try liquid soap. |
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| 08:03.02 | DogBoy | yes zrin |
| 08:03.13 | zrin | DogBoy: wow, thank you :) |
| 08:03.16 | PiousMinion | cast: I agree. It's just that I have at least 15 logical volumes and trying to mentally picture that is a bit more tough than using a gui tool to view a pretty picture of it. |
| 08:03.24 | cast | Psi-Jack: you realise you're not in ubuntu right ;) |
| 08:03.36 | Psi-Jack | Yes, I realize that quite well. |
| 08:03.53 | Psi-Jack | Doesn't mean it's not immature still. :p |
| 08:03.57 | PiousMinion | I dare not alter my lvm config with any gui tool |
| 08:03.59 | nachos | help |
| 08:04.04 | nachos | i keep on getting a wierd error with pppd |
| 08:04.10 | nachos | pppd: unrecognized option '-c' |
| 08:04.16 | nvz | nachos, the chees is in the fridge, just warm it up.. |
| 08:04.21 | nachos | running this script |
| 08:04.23 | nachos | pastie |
| 08:04.25 | votality | the built in tool i think only displays |
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| 08:05.09 | nachos | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/40843 |
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| 08:05.50 | yang | how is rpc.statd being stopped ? |
| 08:06.05 | nvz | thinks . o O ( nachos? I got doritos! ) |
| 08:06.24 | nachos | lol nice nvz |
| 08:06.33 | nachos | anyone got a clue on my pppd problem |
| 08:06.45 | cast | lvdisplay |fgrep LV\ Name # seems fairly nice to me :), even if there were 15 |
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| 08:07.05 | zrin | DogBoy: I assume (googling for grub UUID) that I should switch to grub2? |
| 08:08.31 | yang | ok, I resolved it |
| 08:09.33 | nvz | nachos: I for one have no clue what you're even trying to do there.. |
| 08:09.40 | nachos | nevermind i got it |
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| 08:09.51 | nvz | is it rube goldberg night in #d or what? |
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| 08:14.48 | ethanol | morning people |
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| 08:15.18 | nvz | aren't any morning people here.. |
| 08:15.22 | nvz | we're night owls.. heh |
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| 08:17.06 | nvz | yawns |
| 08:17.15 | nvz | O |
| 08:17.24 | nvz | oops.. |
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| 08:17.54 | nvz | come back again when ya can't stay so long, pwtt.. :-P |
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| 08:22.36 | developer | which package do I need to download for getting a GUI for configuring my firewall |
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| 08:23.04 | AimHere | firestarter is one such |
| 08:23.22 | AimHere | There are probably others |
| 08:23.24 | cast | developer: why do you need a firewall? |
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| 08:26.07 | developer | I though debian had an firewall which you can operate on with commands, thiugh there also should be an gui for handling the configuration much easier |
| 08:26.32 | babilen | developer: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls <-- huge list |
| 08:26.38 | cast | developer: linux has netfilter, yes. |
| 08:26.46 | babilen | developer: But the question remains: What do you need a firewall for? |
| 08:27.18 | babilen | developer: If I were you, i would forget about netfilter, install *BSD or Debian/kFreeBSD and learn pf |
| 08:27.21 | developer | I want to open port 3306 (MySQL) for a specific network |
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| 08:29.12 | flaccid | developer all ports are open with no firewall |
| 08:29.22 | petemc | eh? |
| 08:29.44 | flaccid | he |
| 08:29.50 | cast | probably what he meant to say was "only for a specific network" |
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| 08:30.18 | flaccid | true |
| 08:30.24 | cast | developer: when you say network, what do you mean? |
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| 08:32.24 | flaccid | probably like a network/subnet/cidr |
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| 08:37.13 | developer | what I mean with network is that I want to open port 3306 for all host from 10.30.30.X and not just one specific host 10.30.30.50 |
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| 08:37.30 | pht | hi |
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| 08:37.43 | pht | how can i view a changelog of a package before installing it? |
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| 08:40.12 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:40.18 | lkthomas | anyone try to use pxe to install debian ? |
| 08:41.52 | Cope | dpkg: tell lkthomas about anyone |
| 08:42.20 | hideo | pht: apt-listchanges |
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| 08:43.08 | cast | developer: and who is going to be logging in from there? |
| 08:43.58 | Cope | What's the current best practice for automating a large number of installs? Preseed? ISTR there was something else - unattended automated install or something? Any other options / recommendations? |
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| 08:44.27 | jelly-home | fai? |
| 08:44.29 | jelly-home | !fai |
| 08:44.29 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:44.32 | Cope | ah yes |
| 08:44.52 | CaperucitaRoja_9 | slaps LordDeLaCepa around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:45.18 | jelly-home | note: "more flexible" often translates to "insanely complex" |
| 08:45.26 | developer | remote administrators will be able to login from that specific network address |
| 08:45.42 | pht | hideo: how can i download the dpkg in question? |
| 08:45.54 | hideo | pht: apt-get install it? |
| 08:46.21 | pht | hideo: the dpkg that the apt-listchanges would operate on |
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| 08:46.32 | pht | Usage: apt-listchanges [options] {--apt | filename.deb ...} |
| 08:46.37 | developer | I don't know but I though this configuration was commonly used! sound like nobody heard about it in here :) |
| 08:46.45 | pht | hideo: the .deb .. |
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| 08:48.03 | hideo | pht: apt-listchanges should be automatically called after aptitude/apt-get downloaded something and about to begin installing it |
| 08:48.20 | hideo | pht: you see a list of changes, and if you like, you can proceed to install |
| 08:48.29 | hideo | pht: I've never had to call it manually before |
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| 08:49.30 | pht | hideo: ... is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. |
| 08:49.55 | hideo | ? |
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| 08:50.20 | pht | blargh |
| 08:50.37 | pht | hideo: i did 'c <package>' at the aptitude prompt. |
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| 08:50.56 | pht | ... from aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:51.37 | pht | ok i got it |
| 08:51.41 | hideo | pht: ah I suppose, I don't use aptitude |
| 08:51.42 | pht | aptitude download <pkg> |
| 08:51.53 | pht | then apt-listchanges |
| 08:52.10 | pht | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.16 | pht | thats a colorful change log |
| 08:54.17 | pht | thanks anyway |
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| 08:56.15 | g0rd0n | i have an opteron 1212HE processor, which is a dual core 2 ghz with ~8000 bogomips... but my debian systems indicats that i have 1 ghz and 4000 bogomips only, and that doesnt change when the machine is doing work... how that? |
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| 09:09.47 | valdyn | g0rd0n: why do you think that its 8000 bogomips? that doesnt sound right to me |
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| 09:12.07 | g0rd0n | valdyn: cause i've been googling :P |
| 09:12.12 | valdyn | g0rd0n: ok |
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| 09:13.12 | valdyn | g0rd0n: check /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
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| 09:13.47 | valdyn | g0rd0n: most should be self explanatory, if something is not.. ask |
| 09:13.53 | pirx | hi! i have an account "test" where several people can login (using ssh-keys), and that account is allowed to sudo a few things (like /etc/init.d/tomcat). The strange thing is that some people can use sudo without password, and others are required to provide a password, all using the same account. how could this be? the test account is configured with sudo nopasswd for /etc/init.d/tomcat |
| 09:14.19 | valdyn | pirx: the timer |
| 09:14.32 | pirx | valdyn: timer? |
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| 09:15.09 | valdyn | pirx: man sudoers, /passwd_timeout |
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| 09:16.10 | pirx | the first thing i came up with is that there is also a second account, lets call it "support", which can do sudo nopasswd for everything, and its only those people that _also_ have their key in the support account that can use sudo nopasswd for tomcat in the test account. |
| 09:16.43 | g0rd0n | valdyn: yeah, current frequency is the min frequency, somehow i never see the cpu changing to the max frequency |
| 09:16.56 | valdyn | g0rd0n: theres more files in there.. |
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| 09:17.11 | pirx | but... 1. those are two different account, it shouldnt matter if your key also is in some other account, right? 2. i removed my key from the support account, and still no passwd question when doing sudo tomcat in the test account. |
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| 09:17.42 | babilen | pirx: sudo caches the password for some time - see valdyn's remark |
| 09:17.46 | valdyn | pirx: the key is for logging in, it has nothing to do with the password |
| 09:18.10 | pirx | but the sudo line is set with NOPASSWD |
| 09:18.14 | raccoon_ | has anyone stumbled upon strange connection stalings preceeded by high sendQ values on ssh connections? |
| 09:18.15 | valdyn | 10:15 < valdyn> pirx: man sudoers, /passwd_timeout |
| 09:18.16 | pirx | we never use passwords |
| 09:18.43 | pirx | sure, the password is written up somewhere, but never used |
| 09:18.49 | valdyn | pirx: you *complained* that people get not asked for a password *by* *sudo* |
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| 09:19.02 | g0rd0n | valdyn: yeh, looks like powernow is not working properly |
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| 09:19.14 | pirx | valdyn: i would hardly say that i am complaining, just asking |
| 09:19.18 | valdyn | g0rd0n: what is the currently used governor? |
| 09:19.18 | nkuttler | hm, can i pass parameters to fsck with touch /forcefsck etc? |
| 09:19.27 | valdyn | pirx: and I told you why |
| 09:19.45 | g0rd0n | valdyn: userspace, whatever that means |
| 09:20.06 | valdyn | g0rd0n: it means that userspace programs can modify your frequence |
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| 09:20.17 | g0rd0n | valdyn: such as powernowd then |
| 09:20.20 | valdyn | g0rd0n: you'd probably want the powersave governor |
| 09:20.33 | babilen | g0rd0n: or ondemand |
| 09:20.56 | valdyn | g0rd0n: err yea, ondemand, powersave would keep it low too always |
| 09:21.20 | valdyn | g0rd0n: userspace makes no sense on a server i think |
| 09:21.41 | pirx | valdyn: the "passwd_timeout" setting, isnt that for when a password is actually used? the pertinent sudoers line is "MOBOP ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache*, /etc/init.d/tomcat*", as you see no passwd should be required |
| 09:22.04 | babilen | g0rd0n: ondemand == low until processes need it |
| 09:22.16 | pirx | and if i complained about anything, its that people get asked for a passwd, not that they dont |
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| 09:23.50 | linduxed | is there a tool for going through all the installed kernels and deleting them selectively (to make room on /boot)? |
| 09:24.04 | tamash | pirx: maybe the users asked for a pwd are doing smthg like.... cd /etc/init.d/; ./apache restart or whatever |
| 09:24.11 | linduxed | or do i just do that manually |
| 09:24.13 | linduxed | ? |
| 09:24.21 | tamash | pirx: in this case they will be asked for a pwd too |
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| 09:27.51 | g0rd0n | yay, ondemand is much better :) thank you! |
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| 09:28.19 | babilen | g0rd0n: great :) |
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| 09:29.34 | babilen | pirx: Could also be due to your MOBOP and other group definitions - I'm not exactly sure how the situation is handled if there are more than one policy for a user. |
| 09:29.44 | valdyn | pirx: id use wrapper scripts in $PATH, like /usr/local/bin/ if globbing works as tamash said |
| 09:29.46 | babilen | pirx: s/are/is |
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| 09:31.13 | pirx | tamash: i looked at when they wrote it, in ~ they wrote "sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat restart" just as i do. weird |
| 09:31.56 | babilen | pirx: I would start by comparing the set of policies for users that experience different behaviour. You might be able to come up with a minimal sudoers file that exhibits this behaviour |
| 09:32.28 | pirx | babilen: might be the globbing |
| 09:33.08 | pirx | another hypothesis now is that the users that can nopasswd all use linux, the others use windows+putty |
| 09:33.16 | babilen | pirx: Yes, that as well. It's just that the easiest way to figure things like this out is to reduce it to the minimal set of rules that still exhibit the same behaviour. |
| 09:33.43 | pirx | i compared env output when logged in, and they didnt have LANG set for instance |
| 09:33.57 | babilen | pirx: You could also use "sudo -l" to list the entries for each user |
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| 09:34.42 | tamash | pirx: unlikely that a missing$LANG leads to that behaviour of sudeo, IMHO |
| 09:34.55 | tamash | s/sudeo/sudo/ |
| 09:34.57 | rgr | pallgone: just FYI, that move to te .33 kernel with the Squeeze repos has made my laptop totally and utterly brilliant once more. No more X crashes, suspend freezes etc etc. Really flawless. I hope Squeeze moves to it soon. |
| 09:35.02 | babilen | pirx: I am not sure what the error is, but try to simplify your rule set until the behaviour goes away ;) |
| 09:35.12 | babilen | tamash: I would not expect that as well |
| 09:35.28 | pirx | babilen: i will, just need a coffee first before taking on this issue:) |
| 09:35.34 | babilen | .coffee pirx |
| 09:35.42 | babilen | !coffee pirx |
| 09:35.42 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic Peruvian for pirx, courtesy of babilen |
| 09:35.55 | pirx | :) |
| 09:35.59 | babilen | pirx: enjoy it and good luck! |
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| 09:36.43 | babilen | pirx: You might want to paste your complete sudoers file to a pastebin (remove confidential information), so we can all take a look |
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| 09:38.33 | themill | rgr: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00488.html |
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| 09:50.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:50.37 | dpkg | <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
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| 10:01.27 | krion | hi |
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| 10:08.38 | rvsjoen | anyone know what is actually happening when aptitude says 'waiting for headers' ? |
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| 10:09.02 | rvsjoen | mine seems just to be hanging |
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| 10:09.54 | valdyn | rvsjoen: is you ran strace you would see, its probably network access anyway |
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| 10:10.42 | rvsjoen | seems like it, at least it is not doing anything |
| 10:11.14 | rvsjoen | a bit strange though as my connectivity to the mirror is fine |
| 10:11.22 | rvsjoen | must be something else |
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| 10:14.04 | GospoD | hello, folks i have a problem when install apt-get install apticron |
| 10:14.14 | azeem_ | GospoD: which is? |
| 10:14.22 | GospoD | dpkg: error processing apticron (--configure): |
| 10:14.22 | GospoD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.22 | GospoD | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:14.22 | GospoD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.22 | GospoD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.22 | dpkg | gospod: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 10:14.27 | GospoD | Sry |
| 10:14.37 | GospoD | Look on Flood Channel |
| 10:14.55 | azeem_ | !paste |
| 10:14.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 10:15.38 | GospoD | http://paste.debian.net/64583/ |
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| 10:15.58 | azeem_ | open2: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm line 58 |
| 10:16.07 | azeem_ | looks like a general problem with your system |
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| 10:16.48 | GospoD | try to reinstall system, and i got same problem againe |
| 10:17.06 | GospoD | Even i install on another mashine and get the same problem |
| 10:17.43 | azeem_ | what does "free" output? |
| 10:17.57 | GospoD | 21432 |
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| 10:18.01 | GospoD | 21MB i think |
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| 10:18.13 | GospoD | MemFree: 21540 kB |
| 10:19.16 | GospoD | i run apache2 php5 mysql-server UnrealIRCD phpmyadmin joomla phpbb on that mashine |
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| 10:20.36 | jelly | GospoD: please pastebin the complete output of free |
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| 10:21.03 | GospoD | Zoran koje je komanda, ja sam malo nuba u linux |
| 10:21.05 | GospoD | ali ucem se |
| 10:21.07 | GospoD | :P |
| 10:21.22 | jelly | !tell GospoD about paste |
| 10:21.39 | GospoD | http://paste.debian.net/64585/ |
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| 10:22.02 | bbd | :D |
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| 10:22.19 | jelly | GospoD: okay, you seem to have 256MB RAM and no swap at all. You'll have to create and enable some swap space. |
| 10:22.54 | jelly | GospoD: is this a virtual machine? Can you edit partitions? |
| 10:23.09 | GospoD | I think so |
| 10:23.18 | GospoD | let me ask ISP |
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| 10:25.31 | jelly | GospoD: if not, create a, say, 512MB empty file using something like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512", format it for swap usage with "mkswap /swapfile", enable it temporarily with "swapon /swapfile", and permanently by adding it in /etc/fstab |
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| 10:25.49 | pirx | babilen: after extensive research we have concluded that all people who use linux can use sudo, no matter who has their keys in some other account or not. http://pastebin.com/hbrA03cg |
| 10:26.06 | pirx | will try to simply remove the * tailing tomcat |
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| 10:26.54 | babilen | pirx: I take it that this is "as opposed to people who run Windows and use putty" ? |
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| 10:27.33 | babilen | pirx: Who are asked for their password |
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| 10:28.19 | GospoD | jelly: swapon: /swapfile: Operation not permitted (when i try swapon /swapfile) |
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| 10:28.27 | pirx | those people who login as test and use windows/putty |
| 10:28.53 | ChrisTX | hey, is there any way to use a newer glibc than the one provided with debian-lenny? |
| 10:28.57 | pirx | but they would probably be asked too if they logged in as mob |
| 10:29.07 | jelly | ChrisTX: upgrade to testing? |
| 10:29.12 | pirx | its just that all 'mob' people happen to use unix |
| 10:29.16 | ChrisTX | jelly, no I mean without that, just glibc |
| 10:29.21 | Shadur | GospoD: Only root is allowed to designate new swap areas. |
| 10:29.21 | cherwin | ChrisTX: why would you want to do that? |
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| 10:29.27 | ChrisTX | I wouldnt even need to install it system wide |
| 10:29.28 | pirx | tried removing the * tailing tomcat, and that worked... |
| 10:29.35 | jelly | ChrisTX: why? |
| 10:29.35 | ChrisTX | just with some binary |
| 10:29.39 | GospoD | http://paste.debian.net/64588/ |
| 10:29.45 | GospoD | jelly: I`am root :) |
| 10:29.48 | pirx | even though 'sudo -l' said that test could sudo tomcat* |
| 10:30.01 | GospoD | pirx: Yes i`am mob :P |
| 10:30.11 | pirx | but i bet its some locale/charset/wildcard/whatever |
| 10:30.11 | jelly | GospoD: but you seem to be inside a virtualied enviroment that doesn't let you add swap |
| 10:30.14 | ChrisTX | I tried to build glibc-2.11 but if I use it, any application that loads it instantly segfaulted |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | pirx: I am not sure why that happens, but glad you've found a workaround :-\ |
| 10:30.48 | pirx | i think its that wildcards seem buggy in sudoers |
| 10:30.52 | babilen | pirx: Yeah, it's most definitely a globbing problem |
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| 10:31.33 | jelly | GospoD: you will have to either give more money to your provider for more RAM, or configure your services to use less |
| 10:31.44 | bbd | GospoD: virtual machines usually are not allowed to manage swap. you need to ask you isp either to add swap or to buy more memory |
| 10:31.45 | pirx | a few weeks ago when this multiple account setup was implemented we had problems on one server with exactly this tomcat* thing. there were 3 tomcats there. tomcat/tomcat1/tomcat2 |
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| 10:31.59 | pirx | and tomcat* matched tomcat and tomcat2, but _not_ tomcat1 |
| 10:32.09 | pirx | utterly annoying |
| 10:32.13 | Origen | Hi, how do I mount a webdav URL with mount.fuse? |
| 10:32.19 | pirx | and _now_ i'm complaining:) |
| 10:32.27 | GospoD | jelly: yea i use 256RAM @ my VPS ok if i put more RAM this gona be fixed?! or no? |
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| 10:33.05 | babilen | pirx: All under windows+putty ? |
| 10:33.11 | ChrisTX | so is there any way I could get an application to work that requires a newer glibc? |
| 10:33.16 | pirx | nope, that was for everyone |
| 10:33.23 | jelly | GospoD: it will happen less often, but you haven't provided enough data for a more educated guess |
| 10:33.51 | pirx | i'll have to scrap this "keep all files identical and use cssh"-philosophy:) |
| 10:33.55 | babilen | pirx: That is really weird, i've *never* seen that. Which shell are you using? |
| 10:33.57 | GospoD | jelly:Ok. Let me ask ISP and see what we can manage. So we keep in touch :) |
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| 10:34.01 | pirx | bash |
| 10:34.06 | jelly | ChrisTX: does this... application come with source? If it does, rebuild it for your OS. |
| 10:34.08 | pirx | debian server |
| 10:34.26 | pirx | babilen: it was easily reproduced |
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| 10:34.32 | babilen | pirx: Do you still observe that behaviour? |
| 10:34.59 | pirx | we just excplicitly made one enrty for each tomcat and left it at that |
| 10:35.16 | ChrisTX | jelly, no that's why |
| 10:35.25 | ChrisTX | else I would have done it |
| 10:35.34 | babilen | pirx: I would take that to the mailing list and/or report a bug if you can reproduce that reliably |
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| 10:35.58 | jelly | ChrisTX: technically you may be able to install newer libc6 and other glibc-source packages from a newer Debian release, but things may break and this channel won't support such a system |
| 10:36.00 | ChrisTX | I tried to manually build glibc as well as bootstrapping an archlinux in it |
| 10:36.18 | ChrisTX | no I don't want to precisely install it |
| 10:36.19 | ChrisTX | but true |
| 10:36.24 | ChrisTX | I could try to use testing |
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| 10:36.33 | valdyn | ChrisTX: often applications are just linked stupidly but dont really require the newer libc6 |
| 10:36.33 | ChrisTX | doh, I could have thought of that before |
| 10:36.45 | valdyn | ChrisTX: in that case you can copy and manually patch your binary |
| 10:36.59 | ChrisTX | Ill try to build the glibc from sid and install that in a prefix'd folder |
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| 10:48.22 | oznt | hi guys, i need help solving an annoying problem: every time i commit to my svn repo, the permissions of some files in svn/db/ change and this prevents other users from cheking out or committing, need help solving. here is a paste http://paste.debian.net/64594/ |
| 10:48.26 | oznt | thanks |
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| 10:59.34 | debianite | Hi, I'm using Debian Squeeze and grub2 v1.98-1, I'm trying to set my frame bufer console to a higher resolution than 640x480, what is the correct way of doing that? |
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| 11:02.47 | Pupeno | Anybody knows of a program that can re-format a sql file? |
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| 11:04.36 | _KaszpiR_ | ident ? ;D |
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| 11:05.03 | Pupeno | _KaszpiR_: I think indent only handles C code? |
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| 11:05.42 | _KaszpiR_ | how about importing it to databas,e and dumping it again with defferent formatting |
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| 11:06.18 | Pupeno | _KaszpiR_: exporting it from a database is where I started, but I need to process this file to have the tables in a particular order to diff it to another sql file. |
| 11:06.43 | _KaszpiR_ | ahh |
| 11:06.46 | _KaszpiR_ | good luck :D |
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| 11:55.19 | RichiH | refresh my memory.... how do i mount partitions inside an image? i losetup the image and see the partitions within my loop device, but i can't access them.. i know the fix is trivial, but i keep on forgetting it |
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| 12:02.11 | valdyn | RichiH: you could use offests in mount or losetup |
| 12:02.21 | valdyn | *offsets* |
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| 12:03.34 | valdyn | 512 for the first partition.. i believe |
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| 12:22.11 | jelly | RichiH: smart people use kpartx |
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| 12:22.41 | tamash | ACK :) |
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| 12:26.45 | eevar2 | i managed to 'crash' my debian box for the 2nd time now, running a program which eats all memory (and probably a lot of cpu as well). it doesn't repond to ssh, or http requests, probably busy swapping it brains out |
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| 12:27.40 | jfb86 | hello world |
| 12:27.58 | eevar2 | any way to have those kinds of processes killed off before they down the box? |
| 12:28.16 | jfb86 | question about raid controller. is there anyone to answer? thanks |
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| 12:29.03 | tamash | jfb86: you'd probably just have to ask. :) |
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| 12:31.01 | jfb86 | ok :) context : HP Proliant ML110G5. fake raid on these systems are shit, so i plan to build my lenny with ADAPTEC 3405 to build a REAL raid (level 5), is anyone having trouble with that? thanks |
| 12:31.37 | jfb86 | PS: excuse my english, doing as well as possible.. (french) ;) |
| 12:33.43 | eevar2 | is the oom killer running by default? could that be killing my sshd process rather than the runaway program? |
| 12:33.53 | tamash | hmm dunno. i am used to proliant DL*G* which do have that cciss thing on it. and this one does a pretty good job most of the time. |
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| 12:34.40 | babilen | eevar2: oom kills biggest memory hogs first and I would be very surprised if it is running by default |
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| 12:35.16 | babilen | eevar2: Try to manually invoke it with sysrq |
| 12:35.37 | babilen | eevar2: Or just kill the runaway process if you are still able to do so |
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| 12:36.20 | eevar2 | babilen: nah, can't log into the box, and no physical access until tonight. just looking into how I can avoid this happening again |
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| 12:36.48 | olskolirc | hey cool dolls and cats what is a good gui web cam software besides cheese - I need more color configs - better software |
| 12:37.32 | tamash | eevar2: it's likely to not even be able to logon localy in such cases. |
| 12:37.54 | babilen | hence the sysrq-oom |
| 12:38.19 | jfb86 | tamash: i need raid5, and ml110 can do that, this is a software raid, and i prefer hardware raid, and my vendor want to sale me 3405Adaptec, but i saw i could have problems with lenny. got egroupware on this server ;) |
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| 12:39.34 | jfb86 | ml110 can't do that..sorry :) |
| 12:40.10 | tamash | jfb86: sry, i do not know anything about that controler. if you found info that it might have some serious issues i'd recommend to not use it. because, it is the _raid_controller_ |
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| 12:41.45 | babilen | eevar2: You could limit memory usage. Take a look at pam_limits, ulimit and daemontools |
| 12:41.55 | jfb86 | not some serious issues, didn't found anything about that, but simply found not enough infos, that's why i ask ;) |
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| 12:42.40 | babilen | eevar2: Last time we had an oom situation on one of our servers even sysrq-oom did not allow us to login locally ... |
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| 12:44.49 | jfb86 | actually the system is running on etch since 2008, but one disk crashed, and the fake raid 1 on HP having troubleshouting, so i decided to impose to my client an external controller to build raid5, because i think, with my admin experience, that it is one of the better way, and the vendor, etc. etc. . just need an experience callback with these cards |
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| 12:46.00 | eevar2 | babilen: yea, guess I'll have to set some memory limits. and thanks for the tip on sysrq-oom, gonna try that, even if a reboot isn't too bad either |
| 12:46.18 | olskolirc | hey cool dolls and cats what is a good gui web cam software besides cheese - I need more color configs - better software |
| 12:46.20 | babilen | eevar2: good luck :-\ |
| 12:46.23 | tamash | sitting at some stupid trouble ticket software training and boring his ass off. bloody hell. |
| 12:46.47 | eevar2 | it's just a personal web server / messing-around-with-box |
| 12:46.54 | babilen | alright |
| 12:47.30 | babilen | It was a production system for us ... Quite a bunch of angry users ;) |
| 12:47.34 | tamash | jfb86: sry. afraid i can't help you along. |
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| 12:48.20 | jfb86 | tamash: ok no problem, thank you evenway |
| 12:48.25 | tamash | 200 angry users are better than 2 angry bosses :) |
| 12:48.28 | eevar2 | babilen: hehe :) |
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| 12:49.06 | tamash | jfb86: welcome. good look. |
| 12:49.32 | alys | I have installed all the recommended software - libdecss2, w32codecs and the like, and I have set my DVD drive to region 2 (for UK). To date, I have not been able to watch a single DVD on Debian, but they play well on Puppy - the other OS I have on my Linux box. What gives? |
| 12:50.53 | jfb86 | tamash: thanks my friend, i feel i'll spend my week-end on that, cause i'll receive the card friday...gggrrrrrr... sometimes i think that computers don't want me to have peace after a week of working...:) |
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| 12:51.26 | FullPolarFox | Deeebiiiaaaannnn? |
| 12:51.43 | adb | tiho |
| 12:52.07 | jfb86 | not cool... we have sun for a few days in Poitiers.. ppfff |
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| 12:53.03 | FullPolarFox | adb why tiho? |
| 12:53.04 | jfb86 | didn't plan to optimize a raid controller and eventually compile |
| 12:53.36 | adb | FullPolarFox, i'm sleeping |
| 12:53.58 | tamash | sun....whats that? oracle? or that shiny lamp seen outside somewhen back in my childhood? :) |
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| 12:54.07 | jfb86 | lol |
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| 12:54.50 | FullPolarFox | adb ne sleeping!!!!11 ty will frise |
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| 12:55.57 | jfb86 | no no..the real sun.. you know? the yellow light ball that's shining in the sky.. you know? the sky...the species of thing that people saw when they're going in the outside world? |
| 12:55.59 | jfb86 | :D |
| 12:56.30 | qwd | jfb86: that's where the franks beat the arabs |
| 12:56.46 | FullPolarFox | Sky not exist-its only our imagination (c) Freud |
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| 12:58.07 | tamash | haha, ok now i got it. |
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| 12:58.44 | FullPolarFox | But Pandora really exist and avatars too... |
| 12:58.57 | adb | !ot |
| 12:58.58 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 12:59.00 | jfb86 | Poitiers? yes. but this is a pretty town, roman art, built in and on the rocks. old stories with arabs are depreciated. and what you're talking about was spent in the 16th century, this is the past |
| 12:59.07 | tamash | yes that one. well thats like FullPolarFox quoted :). and plans are the first step to failure. so....your weekend will be fine. :) |
| 12:59.56 | jfb86 | FulPolarFox: no i assure you, the sky really exists :) |
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| 13:00.27 | tamash | silences his OT-talk right now. |
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| 13:01.23 | jfb86 | the only good thing in france actually, is that sarkozy took a "branlée" with the last elections, and we only want one thing in france : "Go away sarkozy!!!" |
| 13:01.23 | Backup | is there a way to have the debian installer detect my wireless driver so i can do a netinstall? |
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| 13:01.30 | Backup | or is it not suppoerted yet? |
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| 13:02.36 | jfb86 | Backup: got this problem, the kernel detects my hardware,but not able to use WPA-PSK, just WEP and if your router configured, it works |
| 13:03.15 | Backup | so wpa-psk isnt supported at all by the isntaller then? |
| 13:03.20 | Backup | that kinda sucks |
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| 13:03.56 | Backup | im trying to install debian on my netbook, and i wanna make sure ill have working wifi when its done |
| 13:04.13 | jfb86 | Backup: it was like that with my wireless usb (netgear,and all of those i've tested) |
| 13:04.26 | Backup | bah |
| 13:04.27 | Backup | oh well |
| 13:04.46 | jfb86 | oh yes it will work! i suggest you to install the packet : wicd . working fine |
| 13:05.04 | Da_Wrecka | No, it's not a case of "it will work". |
| 13:05.13 | Da_Wrecka | I simply cannot get wifi to work on my laptop |
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| 13:05.20 | Da_Wrecka | Windows is fine, Debian no go |
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| 13:06.01 | Backup | i got wifi working fine once in debian, i just wanted it during the install so i can install over the wlan |
| 13:06.08 | jfb86 | Da_Wrecka : i disagree, working fine on debian my wifi (netgear, intel integrated) |
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| 13:06.36 | Backup | but the installer doesnt even detect either of my two cards. so im a bit baffled wether it will be detected once its installed |
| 13:06.45 | babilen | Backup: You don't necessarily need wifi for the installation. I would suggest that you install per usb (is there even another option for your netbook?) and use the CD1 ISO with a DE of your choice (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, ...) - You might also need firmware-packages |
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| 13:06.49 | Backup | i guess i need to add the driver to my stick, and install it manually |
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| 13:06.55 | babilen | !tell Backup -about installer firmware |
| 13:07.00 | babilen | !tell Backup -about usb install |
| 13:07.02 | Da_Wrecka | You can't disagree with me on this. Saying that Wifi will work is obviously incorect because it obviously is NOT the case |
| 13:07.05 | jfb86 | Backup: configure temporarilly your router with WEP and adjust the MAC filtering and if the debian installer recognizes your card, it will work, i did it manytimes |
| 13:07.33 | Backup | yeh i would, if i had access to the router heh. |
| 13:07.39 | babilen | Backup: Just disable the encryption for the installation or use a more complete CD ISO |
| 13:07.55 | jfb86 | Backup: ah yes..this is another problem.. ;) |
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| 13:08.02 | babilen | Backup: i.e. one that ships wpa_supplicant, wireless-tools and whatever ... |
| 13:08.09 | Backup | yeh, im thinking about just pushing the cd1 iso over to my usb |
| 13:08.44 | babilen | Backup: Might be the easiest option - You can also download the missing packages manually. Make sure that you don't forget the firmware package if you need that |
| 13:08.55 | babilen | Backup: Which will be in non-free |
| 13:09.12 | jfb86 | Da_Wrecka: i repeat, excuse me if my english is incorrect |
| 13:09.34 | Backup | thanks for the help |
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| 13:09.40 | jfb86 | Backup: what's your chipset? |
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| 13:10.43 | Backup | rtl8187 |
| 13:10.51 | Backup | the good old alfa |
| 13:11.15 | Da_Wrecka | Well suffice it to say, my Wifi card isn't integrated or Intel; But it's an RTL8185, it won't work with the kernel drivers in .6.28, and I can't get the bloody thing to work with ndiswrapper either |
| 13:12.15 | adb | Da_Wrecka, uname -r , says ? |
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| 13:13.42 | jfb86 | external rtl8187? |
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| 13:14.55 | Backup | yes, usb |
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| 13:15.52 | jfb86 | did you have a question from the installer where it asks you which principal networking interface you want to use? |
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| 13:16.09 | Backup | no |
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| 13:16.33 | Backup | it just promted me a list of drivers, sinse it didnt find one by it self |
| 13:16.38 | jfb86 | even the eth0 ? |
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| 13:16.54 | Backup | yeh. it appeares so |
| 13:17.14 | Backup | i also got a atheros inbuilt wifi card. ar928x |
| 13:17.21 | Backup | which uses the driver ath9k |
| 13:17.22 | wintix_ | could someone be so kind to point me to a debian-package-howto? it seems i can only find outdated information when searching. my situation: i have a tarball and would like to create a .deb out of it. |
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| 13:17.45 | babilen | !tell wintix -about nmg |
| 13:17.49 | jfb86 | try this? sometimes, chipset are the same codes |
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| 13:18.13 | babilen | wintix: And read the dh_make manpage - if you are lucky that is all you have to do :) |
| 13:18.30 | jfb86 | i remember the case of the Dlink.. a driver which has not the name of the chipset and the card will work |
| 13:18.43 | wintix | babilen: thank you. |
| 13:19.06 | babilen | wintix: There is also #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org/irc.oftc.net where you can ask packaging-related questions |
| 13:19.11 | babilen | wintix: Have fun :) |
| 13:19.15 | Da_Wrecka | abd: Sorry, my attention was elsewhere for a bit, gimme a sec to get the laptop booted |
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| 13:20.57 | babilen | wintix: Other tools you should take a look at comprise cowbuilder and lintian ... |
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| 13:21.26 | babilen | wintix: But i guess you'll have enough to read/do/play with already ;) |
| 13:21.56 | wintix | babilen: indeed. thank you once again. :) |
| 13:22.09 | babilen | wintix: If you are using a VCS it might be worth to check the various *-buildpackage |
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| 13:22.55 | HD|Laptop | Hi |
| 13:23.05 | HD|Laptop | how do I configure exim4 with smtp auth? |
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| 13:24.20 | babilen | HD|Laptop: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#TLS (or google yourself) |
| 13:25.07 | babilen | HD|Laptop: That README should also be in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.html |
| 13:25.10 | Da_Wrecka | ...this laptop appears to be picking its nose instead of coming out of hibernate |
| 13:25.18 | HD|Laptop | thx |
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| 13:25.47 | jfb86 | i'm hungry, it's 14H30 in france, so i let you, thanks anybody for your help. |
| 13:26.01 | jfb86 | see you soon :) |
| 13:26.22 | babilen | jfb86: Enjoy your lunch :) |
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| 13:26.28 | isfranc | hello |
| 13:26.33 | babilen | welcome back |
| 13:26.59 | jfb86 | thanks babilen ++ |
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| 13:28.02 | RichiH | valdyn: i used offsets, but that sucks |
| 13:28.08 | RichiH | jelly: that was it, thanks |
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| 13:29.21 | poppiez | what's the SUN Java package called in debian? |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | !tell poppiez about install java |
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| 13:30.45 | poppiez | abrotman: E: Package sun-java6-jre has no installation candidate |
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| 13:30.56 | abrotman | poppiez: see the part about <non-free> ? |
| 13:31.17 | Da_Wrecka | abd: uname -r says 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 |
| 13:32.09 | abrotman | there is a .32 at bpo |
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| 13:33.39 | HD|Laptop | hm |
| 13:33.47 | HD|Laptop | i cant add the eximuser to the sasl group |
| 13:33.50 | pirx | can i somehow know which ssh-key was used when logged in on a server? |
| 13:33.52 | HD|Laptop | exim is run as "104" |
| 13:33.53 | HD|Laptop | 104 28986 0.0 0.0 6312 908 ? Ss 14:30 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m -oX 465:25 -oP /var/run/exim4/exim.pid |
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| 13:35.20 | isfranc | in gnome my network icon say, no connections, but i have internet ?? |
| 13:35.44 | isfranc | applet networkmanager 0.8 is mad |
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| 13:35.54 | Psi-Jack | What is the debian-volatile repository actually for? |
| 13:36.04 | poppiez | abrotman: yeah, sorry, thx |
| 13:36.13 | minmis9 | isfranc: i has same question, gnome seems wierd. |
| 13:36.51 | Bohemian | does it take awhile for a new kernel to load for the first time? |
| 13:37.14 | Bohemian | i'm stuck at the first screen after compiling a custom kernel (after picking it in grub) |
| 13:37.14 | minmis9 | isfranc: although i have same issue, but that is not big deal? |
| 13:37.25 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: remove quiet from you kernel line and you see what is happening |
| 13:37.50 | Bohemian | Titan8990: ahhh! how do i do that? |
| 13:38.00 | Bohemian | i don't know how to get off this screen... |
| 13:38.07 | balzac5000 | Does anyone have a definitive solution to the "Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" error/bug in Lilo? My 30 production boxes are hanging at reboot every time there's a kernel upgrade - "large-memory" in lilo.conf doesn't seem to make a difference. |
| 13:38.15 | nse | Hello guys I would like to know your experience about recovering of data from an old hard disk which is problematic to be read. There is a important data in it and I would like to have access to it once again. Is there something I can do? Are there specialized folks to work with it? What is the extension of your experience in what concerns this? |
| 13:38.41 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: from the grub menu hit the "e" key to edit an entry |
| 13:38.53 | Bohemian | how do i get back to the grub menu? |
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| 13:38.55 | isfranc | minmis9 with windows manager linux is a windows :) |
| 13:39.03 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: reset button? |
| 13:39.14 | Titan8990 | nse: backups! |
| 13:39.19 | Bohemian | i'm on a virtual machine using vmware, not sure where that is |
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| 13:39.35 | minmis9 | isfranc: ha ha |
| 13:39.46 | Titan8990 | nse: if its not backed up, you shouldn't expect to keep it IMO |
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| 13:40.18 | nse | Titan8990: Do you mean it is very hard to recover it anyway? I am asking here in #debian because I don't have backups! |
| 13:40.35 | balzac5000 | nse: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2558891/200-ways-to-revive-a-hard-drive |
| 13:40.50 | minmis9 | isfranc: if there is no problem connect online, I ignore that small incovence..... |
| 13:41.21 | Bohemian | Titan8990: got it, it's probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... ok |
| 13:41.41 | Titan8990 | nse: it all depends on why its failing. There are data recovery companies with specialized tools that will recovery your data, for an outrageos price. sometimes you can get away with just sticking in the freezer for a while (depening on the reason for failure) |
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| 13:42.11 | Da_Wrecka | Wouldn't sticking it in the freezer be a bad idea? You know, condensation? |
| 13:42.13 | isfranc | minmis9 yes, but i think other soft read the applet result, and think no connection, no ?? |
| 13:42.43 | minmis9 | isfranc: which software? |
| 13:42.54 | Bohemian | wait, it's moving Titan8990 |
| 13:43.12 | babilen | !tell Psi-Jack -about volatile |
| 13:43.54 | Psi-Jack | Hmmmm. Interesting. |
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| 13:48.11 | Bohemian | Titan8990: stuck at calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 3989.64 bogoMIPS (lpj=7979284) |
| 13:48.16 | Bohemian | any suggestions? |
| 13:48.22 | Bohemian | this is a kernel with grsecurity... |
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| 13:49.40 | isfranc | minmis9: not sure, possible, i have some probleme with pidgin, it wait for connection somethime |
| 13:49.53 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: check with the grsecurity channel if there is one |
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| 13:50.23 | LittleDedPenguin | pidgin isn't connecting to yahoo here |
| 13:50.28 | LittleDedPenguin | hasn't been, for a few days now |
| 13:50.33 | Bohemian | Titan8990: could my kernel line be screwed up? |
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| 13:52.26 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: don't know |
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| 13:54.49 | Bohemian | Titan8990: well, i got the old kernel to load |
| 13:54.55 | Bohemian | i guess i should try yet again |
| 13:55.07 | Bohemian | Titan8990: how do i delete kernels i no longer want to have? |
| 13:55.09 | abrotman | LittleDedPenguin: which version of pidgin? (dpkg -l pidgin) |
| 13:55.15 | Bohemian | vi.e. grsecure kernels |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | Bohemian: aptitude remove foo |
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| 13:55.33 | Bohemian | abrotman: does it matter i did them by hand, not with aptitude? |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | oh .. then you remove them by hand .. good luck! |
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| 13:56.49 | nse | Thank you, Titan8990. |
| 13:56.57 | nse | Thank you, balzac5000. |
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| 13:59.32 | LittleDedPenguin | abrotman, 2.4.3 (Lenny) |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | !tell LittleDedPenguin about bpo |
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| 14:01.01 | Bohemian | abrotman: do you know where i can find them located? |
| 14:01.10 | Bohemian | i have yet to master the grep command -- 7 years of using *nix :/ |
| 14:01.17 | abrotman | ls is hard? |
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| 14:02.38 | LittleDedPenguin | if a program is broken, even because of age, is it still stable? |
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| 14:05.39 | abrotman | LittleDedPenguin: we didn't change the protocol, they did |
| 14:05.58 | joaobmatias | hi all, i burned a imagem of debian cd1 ia64, and it wont start automatically in the boot, does anyone know how to solve this? with fedora and ubuntu it starts automatically |
| 14:06.36 | beardy | joaobmatias: At which speed did you burn it? |
| 14:06.46 | joaobmatias | 24 i think |
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| 14:06.51 | babilen | joaobmatias: Are you sure that ia64 is the correct architecture for your computer? It is much more likely that you want amd64 .. |
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| 14:07.35 | babilen | joaobmatias: But apart from that - The CD does not boot at all? Is it trying? Have you changed the boot order? Have you verified the ISO? |
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| 14:07.56 | abrotman | joaobmatias: you don't have an Itanium machine |
| 14:08.26 | babilen | !tell joaobmatias -about check iso |
| 14:08.37 | Psi-Jack | joaobmatias: ia64 is not x86_64 (amd64) |
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| 14:09.36 | joaobmatias | i checked, and ia isnt for the 64 intel processors? |
| 14:09.47 | babilen | !ia64 |
| 14:09.47 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 14:10.00 | Psi-Jack | Ugh! HOW MANY joao's must there be in one channel? |
| 14:10.09 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 14:10.10 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 14:10.38 | Psi-Jack | Thank you! |
| 14:10.40 | Psi-Jack | Sheash. ;) |
| 14:10.50 | Psi-Jack | It was hard enough typing your name as it was. |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | joaobmatias: it is, but not the one you have |
| 14:11.35 | joaobmatias | abrotman: ok, my fault, i saw it bad :x |
| 14:11.54 | abrotman | joaobmatias: intel makes more than one type of 64-bit CPU .. you chose .. poorly :) |
| 14:12.34 | joaobmatias | abrotman: so, i have an i3, which one should i donwload? |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | joaobmatias: i386 or amd64 .. your choice |
| 14:13.30 | joaobmatias | abrotman: ok, thank you :) |
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| 14:19.40 | Elirips | [OT] Hello. Is there a program like dia to draw diagramms, but that is able to add mathematical functions and symbols to the diagrams? |
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| 14:20.07 | lasher | i read a lot last night about how debian kinda got f'ed a bit by ubuntu anyone care to elaborate.. not a technical question |
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| 14:20.36 | babilen | !tell lasher -about ot |
| 14:20.50 | Oscar` | Hello. I want to a write a very simple script, my question is: how can I add "pause" in-between the commands for example: "cp *.ext 'pause' chmod xxx...." |
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| 14:21.02 | lasher | thnx |
| 14:21.08 | babilen | lasher: I'm not sure what that refers to ... post the link to #d-ot if you want to discuss about it |
| 14:21.30 | babilen | Oscar`: sleep? |
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| 14:21.33 | cire | Oscar`: "sleep n" is your friend |
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| 14:21.39 | cire | where n are seconds |
| 14:21.43 | Trewas | Elirips: openoffice's draw is the least bad choice I have found for that purpose |
| 14:21.57 | Oscar` | sorry cire could you repeat? |
| 14:22.10 | cire | command; sleep 10; command |
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| 14:22.17 | cire | makes a 10 seconds pause between the commands |
| 14:22.19 | Oscar` | thanks a bunch ! |
| 14:22.27 | Bohemian | anyone here work with webservers on a decent basis? i would like to talk with you for five minutes to get an idea of what my best option is for my project |
| 14:22.27 | babilen | Oscar`: Just read the manpage (man sleep) |
| 14:22.35 | Bohemian | Titan8990: you here? i think you'd be helpful |
| 14:22.42 | Elirips | Trewas, Thanks. I'll give it a try |
| 14:22.48 | Elirips | (what a pitty dia cant do this= |
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| 14:23.34 | Trewas | Elirips: yeah, makes it pretty much useless for drawing diagrams to scientific papers |
| 14:23.54 | babilen | Bohemian: State your needs and you might get a response. What's wrong with apache? |
| 14:24.06 | Elirips | Trewas, indeed, but it is so nice that it can export to .tex directly :) |
| 14:24.20 | Elirips | Trewas, maybe I would better scan an existing image :Pü |
| 14:24.54 | Bohemian | babilen: nothing wrong with apache... we are trying to decide between a vps or dedicated server. we are using a LAMP enviornment and have one memory hog: tomcat (java). we are looking to use a vps with 1gb of ram at least, but was offered a deal by another company for 99/month that is a dedicated atom 330 server with a 640gb HDD |
| 14:25.10 | Bohemian | not sure if i should save the money and go with linode with 1gb of ram 48gb of space for 59.99 |
| 14:25.17 | Trewas | Elirips: drawing by hand and then scanning would certainly be the fastest way :) |
| 14:25.20 | Bohemian | we probably will never go above 10gb of content |
| 14:25.45 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: what is the need to outsource? |
| 14:26.02 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: you can't host that stuff in-house? |
| 14:26.45 | babilen | !tell lasher -about netinst |
| 14:26.50 | Bohemian | what do you mean in-house? my boss doesn't want to use harvard-mit's datacenter, and they won't give us anything but shared hosting (no ssh) so we couldn't even use tomcat |
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| 14:27.01 | Bohemian | colo is too expensive right now for us |
| 14:27.18 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: you all don't have your own network that is publically accesible from the internet? |
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| 14:27.37 | Elirips | Trewas, bah, I'll never manage it to draw what I want with oo-draw :P Way too ugly to center a formula in the middle of a circle or so. thanks for the tipp anyway. Hm, maybe I can hack the exported .tex-file from dia to enter the latex-math-mode.. |
| 14:27.45 | Bohemian | we can get space from the harvard-mit datacenter but only shared hosting and no tomcat so it doesn't cover our needs. |
| 14:27.58 | babilen | !tell lasher -about ig |
| 14:28.05 | babilen | lasher: have fun - i'll take a break |
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| 14:28.46 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: I am not getting it... why do you have to rent space from anyone? What is wrong with your own space, in your office? |
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| 14:29.04 | Bohemian | Titan8990: because we are hosting a website and email server... |
| 14:29.09 | Bohemian | oh, sorry i wasn't clear about that |
| 14:29.17 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: examples: lack of power, lack of bandwidth, examples of reasons |
| 14:29.32 | Bohemian | lack of bandwidth |
| 14:29.34 | Bohemian | and it's against Provost rules |
| 14:29.45 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: are you all on a home connection? |
| 14:29.57 | Bohemian | because the domain would point to a harvard IP and that's not allowed without special permission |
| 14:30.04 | Bohemian | no, this is a university... |
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| 14:30.44 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: universities typically have massive ammounts of bandwidth |
| 14:31.14 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: anyways... linode is known to be one of the best in regards to reliability |
| 14:31.23 | ishi | is there a 'standard' method of configuring applications which hold their configuration in xml files? I'd like to be able to use something like this from inside config script of .deb package.. |
| 14:31.29 | Bohemian | Titan8990: linode, hotdrupal and slicehost is what we're considering |
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| 14:31.34 | Bohemian | hotdrupal is offering us this: |
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| 14:32.11 | valdyn | Bohemian: why dont you vpn the server to "hide" the ip? |
| 14:32.17 | Bohemian | http://pastebin.com/gYR14ZYV |
| 14:32.21 | Elirips | Trewas, Yeah, it works :) Just drawed the things in Dia, added "normal" text there, then exported to .tex, open in texmaker, and insert some $ to go into math-mode where its needed :) just in case you need it once too :) |
| 14:32.27 | valdyn | Bohemian: or was there another reason? |
| 14:32.30 | Bohemian | valdyn: it's just not possible to host inside our office |
| 14:32.46 | Bohemian | and i'm not willing to piss off the Provost... i am still a student, and i like the job they gave me :) |
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| 14:33.06 | Bohemian | what do you think of the atom server? think that can handle everything, or is atom too slow? |
| 14:33.06 | ishi | I *could* do it using some fancy regexpr, but it'd be very likely to be buggy method :( |
| 14:33.11 | Oscar` | Is it possible to create a package /.deb/ which would run on any architecture/cpu, an universal package of sorts? I'm not sure if what I ask makes sense? |
| 14:33.51 | Trewas | Elirips: nice to know, I hadn't even noticed it exports to .tex but I haven't needed that in a while |
| 14:34.05 | valdyn | Oscar`: its easily possible, does it make sense though? |
| 14:34.25 | Titan8990 | Bohemian: thats far from the important part... You can get enough horsepower/rackspace from anyone. when selecting a company to outsource hosting to, need to look at reliability, what happens when they go down, what happens when you make an admin mistake, etc. |
| 14:34.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lasher about ig |
| 14:34.54 | themill | Elirips: you may want to look at tikz or pstricks (both packages for latex) for drawing things or the ktikz and latexdraw packages as ways of using them from a nice user interface. |
| 14:35.08 | xyan | atom for servers regarding disk/database io for $99?, you get a decent dedicated c2d and 4tb traffic with leaseweb for that price |
| 14:35.39 | Oscar` | valczir: If I'm to create a debian package out of a source, what would be to the way to achieve this /universal package that is/? |
| 14:35.52 | Oscar` | valdyn: : If I'm to create a debian package out of a source, what would be to the way to achieve this /universal package that is/? |
| 14:36.09 | Oscar` | misspells |
| 14:36.48 | Titan8990 | valdyn: it makes sense for applications that are interpretted. deboostrap for example is an arch independant shell skript |
| 14:37.00 | valdyn | Titan8990: plenty _all.deb in debian |
| 14:37.00 | Titan8990 | script |
| 14:37.08 | valdyn | Titan8990: but i asked *him* ) |
| 14:37.10 | themill | Oscar`: there's a lot of technical work still to be done at the archive/binutils/filesystem level before multi-arch packages are possible in debian. (If you're talking about perl/python/php etc, then that's an arch:all package already_ |
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| 14:38.53 | valdyn | Oscar`: dont try to get binary packages for different arches in one package, thats not a good solution to anything right now |
| 14:39.32 | valdyn | Oscar`: which problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:40.33 | lasher | please recommend a good size for a debian install on a multiboot system |
| 14:40.41 | Elirips | themill, Well, right now I use dia, which can export to .tex, using tikz :) |
| 14:40.55 | Elirips | themill, and I really, really like dia, its one of the best programs i've came across |
| 14:41.01 | valdyn | lasher: define "debian install" |
| 14:41.10 | valdyn | lasher: im sure you dont just want to run "ls2 |
| 14:41.13 | valdyn | lasher: im sure you dont just want to run "ls" |
| 14:41.14 | Dewi | lasher: depends what you're doing. Anything from 1-10GB |
| 14:41.31 | Dewi | (and way smaller if you wanna be stingy) |
| 14:41.32 | valdyn | ...and 10 is low for some installations |
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| 14:42.14 | Oscar` | I'm trying to build a package for a distribution which is primarily utilized as a LiveCD, but is debian-based. Since it is mostly a LiveCD where people use different type of CPUs, is it technically feasible to create a .deb package for this particular LiveCD? |
| 14:42.18 | themill | Elirips: interesting, I didn't know dia could export as tikz. I normally write the tikz code by hand.. but that's only really feasible if you're doing *lots* of it at a time so you actually get familiar enough with syntax and quirks. |
| 14:42.26 | lasher | well i wnat to be able to use it for a full OS.. gimp, video playing, office suite, internet.. would 10gb be enough? |
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| 14:42.54 | wols_ | Oscar`: and that means you're in the wrong channel |
| 14:42.54 | valdyn | Oscar`: "different type of cpu" like for example? |
| 14:43.33 | valdyn | i havent seen a linux multiarch live cd yet.. |
| 14:43.34 | Elirips | themill, yes, its amazing how dia can generate this code :) i'm happy I dont have to know about tikz in detail - i'm relatively new to latex anyway, so i'm in no rush to learn more things |
| 14:43.53 | valdyn | lasher: no |
| 14:44.05 | wols_ | lasher: 10GB is plenty. debian usually takes quite a lot less than 5GB if you don't count data (like mail accounts and such) |
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| 14:44.25 | valdyn | umm |
| 14:44.52 | valdyn | 5 gb is "ok" if you never do a dist-upgrade |
| 14:44.54 | themill | Elirips: absolutely. one step at a time is more than enough. BTW do have a look at latexdraw... it's essentially an svg to pstricks converter (it only implements some svg and some of pstricks, but it's a reasonable drawing and editing program) |
| 14:44.59 | Oscar` | I take it its not feasible, or recommended. |
| 14:45.17 | wols_ | Oscar`: you are OT |
| 14:45.51 | themill | truth in advertising..... |
| 14:45.53 | themill | ,maint latexdraw |
| 14:45.54 | judd | Package latexdraw version 2.0.6+1-1 was uploaded by Alan Woodland, last changed by Stuart Prescott and maintained by Stuart Prescott. |
| 14:45.58 | Oscar` | sorry wols_, I'm not familiar with this abbreviation. |
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| 14:46.15 | wols_ | !OT |
| 14:46.15 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:46.22 | wols_ | Oscar`: we support debian, nothing "debian based" |
| 14:46.36 | Oscar` | wols_: Roger. |
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| 14:47.17 | rgr | Oscar : of course you can, How else did the other packages on it get built? |
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| 14:48.36 | wols_ | valdyn: I run sid in 4.5GB, 2GB is currently free, ~ uses 900MB. 5GB is more than plenty |
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| 14:48.59 | valdyn | wols_: that would be a close call if you had to do a lenny-> squeeze upgrade |
| 14:49.03 | valdyn | wols_: or it would break |
| 14:49.13 | valdyn | wols_: sure *you* know how to temporarily add space |
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| 14:49.56 | wols_ | valdyn: never had to on this box. on my mailserver however.... (imap servers take a LOT of space) |
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| 14:50.27 | valdyn | wols_: or gnome + oo.rg + latex > 5GB |
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| 14:50.45 | wols_ | latex isn't on there, but gnome is |
| 14:51.00 | tdn | I am trying to install some packages from an unofficial source (deb http://inverse.ca/debian lenny lenny), but I get this warning: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 14:51.17 | tdn | How do I install the key for this source, so that the packages can be authenticated? |
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| 14:51.22 | xyan | man apt-key |
| 14:51.37 | tdn | xyan, but how do I find the keys? |
| 14:51.51 | xyan | the repository owner should provide one |
| 14:51.52 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.56 | valdyn | gah |
| 14:51.57 | xyan | unless he has unsigned packages only |
| 14:52.01 | tdn | xyan, what should I ask for? |
| 14:52.04 | valdyn | /dev/mapper/system-root 99G 23G 72G 24% / |
| 14:52.09 | valdyn | thats only installed packages |
| 14:52.14 | xyan | tdn: archive signing key⦠|
| 14:52.16 | mcphail | latex takes up a lot of space |
| 14:52.19 | valdyn | ( a waste = |
| 14:52.21 | tdn | xyan, ok. |
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| 14:56.38 | Psi-Jack | Interesting. I tried to remove cron from init.d startup using update-rc.d, and get this: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/cron exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 14:57.36 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: is insserv installed? |
| 14:58.12 | Psi-Jack | heh, no, no it wasn't. This is a brand new domU. :) |
| 14:58.21 | Psi-Jack | But, I installed it, same issue. |
| 14:58.38 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: why would you just install it? i didnt ask you to |
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| 14:59.27 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack: you need to use -f |
| 14:59.29 | Psi-Jack | Umm. Well, Couldn't hurt eh? |
| 14:59.55 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: it could, it makes using update-rc.d pointless |
| 15:00.05 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: you should not use purge like this |
| 15:00.20 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: or remove, read the manpage |
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| 15:00.49 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: you would be doing something that would be reverted at the next package upgrade |
| 15:00.55 | Psi-Jack | Eh? I was just trying to remove cron from the normal startup/shutdown of this domU. |
| 15:01.01 | Titan8990 | valdyn: I can't remember a time I did not have to use -f with update-rc.d when removing |
| 15:01.07 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: and i told you that is not how its done |
| 15:01.17 | valdyn | Titan8990: because this isnt the proper way |
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| 15:01.45 | Titan8990 | valdyn: thats how its done in the manpage example |
| 15:02.03 | Titan8990 | Example of disabling a service: update-rc.d -f foobar remove |
| 15:02.12 | valdyn | Titan8990: thats not everything |
| 15:02.27 | valdyn | Titan8990: see, that tool is made for debian developers |
| 15:02.36 | valdyn | Titan8990: you can do the wrong thing with it |
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| 15:02.46 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 15:02.59 | Titan8990 | valdyn: and the correct tool is? |
| 15:03.00 | valdyn | Titan8990: while thats also something a postrm script needs to do |
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| 15:03.10 | Psi-Jack | valdyn: Is there a "proper" tool for this, then cause in all my years, that's the first time I've heard that. |
| 15:03.15 | valdyn | Titan8990: the tools is ok, just use it the proper way, add the stop links |
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| 15:03.42 | Titan8990 | valdyn: in the examples it only uses stop lines after -f |
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| 15:04.06 | valdyn | update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
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| 15:04.47 | valdyn | Titan8990: the difference is that postinst scripts will respect this and not reenable the service |
| 15:04.48 | Titan8990 | valdyn: which is after the command I gave above. The only time it does not use -f "Remove all links for a script (assuming foobar has been deleted already): |
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| 15:05.23 | valdyn | Titan8990: yea, but removing all links will make a package upgrade reenable the service |
| 15:06.08 | Titan8990 | valdyn: alright... but you said -f was wrong, not needs another command in addition to, which is rather confusing |
| 15:06.17 | valdyn | Titan8990: nah, not -f is wrong |
| 15:06.21 | valdyn | Titan8990: thats not what i meant |
| 15:06.29 | Titan8990 | valdyn: that is how I understood |
| 15:07.05 | Titan8990 | valdyn: but I wasn't aware of how the service get re-enabled, thanks |
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| 15:08.40 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: maybe this cleared up things a little, however you should get rid of insserv asap, or learn it properly, it changes things completely |
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| 15:17.27 | ishi | http://paste.debian.net/64635/ |
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| 15:17.57 | ishi | I'd like to display 3 fields on one 'dialog'... Is it at all possible, and if it is, than what am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:18.52 | manixor | It's possible to recover something if I just rm -rf it? |
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| 15:20.28 | Titan8990 | manixor: from a backup |
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| 15:20.33 | Kottizen | hai folks! |
| 15:20.43 | Kottizen | I'd like to know what's the easiest and best proxyserver for Debian. |
| 15:20.50 | manixor | Titan8990 I don't have any backup :( |
| 15:20.50 | Kottizen | SOCKS5, SOCKS4 or HTTP - doesn't matter. |
| 15:21.01 | mcphail | manixor: it is possible, but not simple |
| 15:22.09 | nu1x | a hd recovery program, depending of filesystem in use, could help. |
| 15:22.20 | nu1x | _could_ |
| 15:22.28 | manixor | mcphail Can you give me a link, or an idea. |
| 15:22.57 | mcphail | manixor: as nu1x suggested, a recovery program like photorec |
| 15:23.01 | nu1x | is not knowledgeable on the topic really, sorry |
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| 15:23.48 | abrotman | something like extgrep ? |
| 15:24.04 | nu1x | just be careful not toi write too much to the disk prior to recovery |
| 15:24.07 | ishi | manixor: I'd not write on the device you'd like to recover from, if I were you... If you install something new there, you probably overwrite your data... |
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| 15:26.08 | gsker | How can I get a list of changes for the currently upgradeable packges via apt? |
| 15:26.10 | ishi | I once recovered lost code, but it was simply by scanning /dev/hd?. It was my code and I knew what I was looking for.. I was lucky: the files in most cases were not fragmented.. I managed to 'get' about 95%... |
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| 15:26.58 | gsker | Like apt-show-versions -b -u but with the changelogs or NEWS |
| 15:27.01 | \amethyst | ishi: yay for strings /dev/sda1 |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | gsker: apt-listchanges ? |
| 15:27.40 | abrotman | gsker: or aptitude changelog ? |
| 15:28.16 | gsker | Okay. And how do I get only the packages that are upgradeable... |
| 15:28.30 | abrotman | gsker: aptitude changelog foopkg |
| 15:28.34 | gsker | do I use --apt in apt-listchanges somehow? |
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| 15:28.45 | ishi | \amethyst: well.. it worked... ;) Took the whole day (not a very large disk ;) ), but I recovered a month worth of my work... And lost *not* by rm -rf ;) |
| 15:29.35 | gsker | aptitude doesn't even nicely list the upgradeable packages... at least not that I've found. |
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| 15:30.39 | abrotman | aptitude search "~U" |
| 15:30.49 | abrotman | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 15:32.42 | gsker | abrotman: Excellent! Thank You! |
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| 15:34.14 | gsker | I wish that list was in the manpage as well as the Format list. |
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| 15:35.11 | abrotman | gsker: file a wishlist bug |
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| 15:39.36 | Backup | what kernel does the debian stable run on? |
| 15:39.48 | wols_ | 2.6.26 |
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| 15:40.02 | wols_ | but there is a .32 backported kernel if you need it |
| 15:40.25 | Backup | mm yes i do in deed need that |
| 15:40.37 | Backup | question tho, how do i isntall debian from a usb stick with that kernel? |
| 15:41.08 | nu1x | usb stick ? |
| 15:41.22 | nu1x | hmmm, last i remember, netinst images contain 2.6.32 |
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| 15:41.58 | nu1x | ahhh, that's testing, sorry |
| 15:42.08 | nu1x | i always use testing , not stable |
| 15:42.13 | Backup | i got a netinstall iso on my usb stick. but its not detecting my atheros wifi card. which is suppose to have the driver built in from 2.6.27rc3 |
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| 15:42.47 | wols_ | Backup: /msg dpkg kmuto thoes are netinst images with 2.6.32 |
| 15:43.04 | Backup | aah great thanks |
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| 15:44.51 | slackerr | hi all. i'm on lenny amd64. exim4 installation/reconfiguration falls with Can't exec "/tmp/exim4.config.****" |
| 15:45.00 | slackerr | mayb |
| 15:45.20 | slackerr | maybe anybody knows, is it package bug? |
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| 15:45.47 | wols_ | slackerr: is this while installing or afterwards? |
| 15:45.48 | Titan8990 | slackerr: thats from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 15:46.26 | slackerr | Titan8990: its from aptitude reinstall exim4 |
| 15:46.43 | slackerr | wols_: at configuration stage |
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| 15:47.08 | slackerr | at "Preconfiguring packages" |
| 15:47.13 | Titan8990 | slackerr: backup your configs if any, and try with confmiss |
| 15:47.16 | Titan8990 | !confmiss |
| 15:47.16 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 15:49.18 | slackerr | Titan8990: i dont have any special config, except after distro installation. i just wanted to be sure that i have fresh installation of exim4, then i'll try to configure it propertly |
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| 15:50.44 | bosyak | I'm new in debian. How to remove service from startup? |
| 15:51.00 | Titan8990 | bosyak: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:51.18 | Titan8990 | slackerr: pastebin the full error |
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| 15:51.29 | Titan8990 | slackerr: sorry, full output I mean |
| 15:51.35 | bosyak | Titan8990: in this case I should delete script in /etc/ini.d/ but I want keep it. |
| 15:52.01 | bosyak | Titan8990: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove ? |
| 15:52.22 | Titan8990 | bosyak: you should never delete the init script |
| 15:52.55 | slackerr | Titan8990: http://pastebin.ca/1843658 |
| 15:53.06 | Titan8990 | bosyak: yes, followed by: update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
| 15:53.43 | Titan8990 | slackerr: are you running SELinux? |
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| 15:56.03 | slacker_nl | slackerr: do you run /tmp with noexec? |
| 15:56.17 | slackerr | Titan8990: no selinux |
| 15:56.23 | slacker_nl | have mounted /tmp as noexec would be the better phrase |
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| 15:58.23 | Titan8990 | slackerr: going to answer the other slacker's question? |
| 15:58.42 | slackerr | slacker_nl: oh, you're right! its noexec on /tmp ! sorry to have trouble you all |
| 15:58.48 | slacker_nl | slackerr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=223683 |
| 15:58.51 | slacker_nl | that's the bug |
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| 15:59.07 | thetur | hi i need help about a windows question i know its a wrong place but huh |
| 15:59.11 | themill | !tmp noexec |
| 15:59.11 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 15:59.13 | oggei | slackerr: you can add this to apt.conf http://pastebin.ca/1843664 |
| 15:59.16 | thetur | i want to list all hidden *.inf files on a drive |
| 15:59.16 | oggei | eh |
| 15:59.17 | thetur | how can i? |
| 15:59.31 | Titan8990 | thetur: ##windows |
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| 15:59.42 | thetur | already there Titan8990 |
| 15:59.45 | thetur | no one answering:( |
| 15:59.48 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 15:59.49 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:00.08 | slackerr | oggei: why /usr? |
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| 16:00.23 | oggei | ah, ops, that was another part |
| 16:00.32 | oggei | sorry, dpkg's answer is the right one anyway |
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| 16:01.05 | gsker | abrotman: Well that was way helpful, but I have still not succeeded in getting the list of NEWS and chnagelog for the things that are about to be upgraded. I can't figure out what is meant by --apt and Version 2 pipeline and how to use it and I am unable to find an example. |
| 16:01.13 | themill | oggei: of course use /tmp not /usr and change ro/rw for exec/noexec.... |
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| 16:01.28 | oggei | (mine is also sucky because i don't know how to remount /usr, ehr) |
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| 16:01.34 | abrotman | gsker: i'd need some reference or man page .. not sure what you're talking about |
| 16:01.36 | balzac5000 | Does anyone have a definitive solution to the "Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" error/bug in Lilo? My 30 production boxes are hanging at reboot every time there's a kernel upgrade - "large-memory" in lilo.conf doesn't seem to make a difference. |
| 16:01.47 | gsker | it's from the apt-listchanges manpage. |
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| 16:02.33 | Godfry | how can I see why ftp server says "Access Denied" while sftp works fine? |
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| 16:03.03 | gsker | aptitude changelog `aptitude search '~U' -F '%p' sorta works, but I'd rather also get NEWS and not get the entire chnagelog. Just the last version or 2. |
| 16:03.07 | oggei | themill: that's another snippet of a bigger file |
| 16:03.07 | rvsjoen | sftp has *nothing* to do with ftp |
| 16:03.08 | wols_ | you can't. sftp and ftp are totally different protocols. sftp works via ssh, not ftp and uses the sshd, not a ftp daemon |
| 16:03.19 | Titan8990 | balzac5000: why lilo instead of grub? |
| 16:03.32 | Godfry | rvsjoen: shouldn't it also let me in by my unix credentials? |
| 16:03.40 | Godfry | rvsjoen: as sftp does |
| 16:03.52 | gsker | I don't mind downloading the patches first, ( in fact we already do) but I don't know how to send a list to apt-listchanges |
| 16:03.57 | wols_ | Godfry: no. many ftp daemons use only virtual users |
| 16:04.37 | balzac5000 | Titan8990: Just been using Lilo for a lot of years and I'm not dual booting, at which I know grub accelerates. |
| 16:04.53 | Godfry | wols_: It worked once and stopped working afterwards, strange |
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| 16:05.08 | Godfry | I remember it was FTP |
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| 16:06.09 | Godfry | That day I even downloaded a file from there on a windows machine using downloader which doesn't know what sftp is |
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| 16:07.51 | wols_ | ask the owner of that server, not us |
| 16:08.28 | Godfry | I have ssh access, maybe you could give me a hint where and what to check? |
| 16:10.08 | Titan8990 | Godfry: netstat -l |
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| 16:10.59 | Titan8990 | Godfry: a lot of decent ftp clients, such as filezilla, will do sftp even though its not a listed option |
| 16:11.08 | Godfry | tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN |
| 16:11.08 | Godfry | It is listening on the port, and also ask for password but then it says "Access denied" |
| 16:11.35 | Titan8990 | recognfigure auth to how you want... |
| 16:12.00 | Godfry | Titan8990: nono that was not ftp client, it was downloader, "Download Master" and I specified an address beginning with ftp:// to it |
| 16:12.17 | Godfry | auth? |
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| 16:12.29 | Godfry | sounds like I need root? |
| 16:12.41 | Titan8990 | authentication.... this isn't a business production server, is it? |
| 16:13.19 | Godfry | nope, just personal server of some guy, he made me an account |
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| 16:13.56 | Titan8990 | Godfry: so your not neven the admin? |
| 16:14.04 | Titan8990 | s/neven/even |
| 16:14.06 | Godfry | no:) |
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| 16:14.31 | Godfry | but I had ftp access yesterday, does this mean admin changed something? |
| 16:14.47 | Titan8990 | possibly, you would have to ask him |
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| 16:14.57 | Godfry | ok then sorry |
| 16:15.00 | Godfry | and thanks |
| 16:15.05 | Titan8990 | np |
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| 16:16.07 | slackerr | is it safety to remount ro/rw /tmp dir every time? maybe any others ways to specify dpkg temp dir? e.g /var/tmp? |
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| 16:17.18 | gsker | abrotman: I found what I needed. apticron! trying it now. |
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| 16:19.42 | gsker | abrotman: damn. Good for my desktop. Too many dependencies for the servers. Still looking. |
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| 16:20.58 | gsker | actually it's apt-listchanges that has too many dependencies.... |
| 16:21.11 | wols_ | gsker: disable recommends and suddenly there are no important dependencies anymore. no X stuff at least |
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| 16:29.08 | Newbuntu | somebody speak spanish? can read or write spanish? |
| 16:29.17 | Newbuntu | Im from Argentina |
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| 16:29.35 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu-es |
| 16:29.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte. |
| 16:30.01 | Newbuntu | yo uso debian |
| 16:30.08 | Titan8990 | !es |
| 16:30.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:30.09 | Newbuntu | es el nick de mi hermano! |
| 16:30.17 | Newbuntu | okas |
| 16:30.24 | Newbuntu | como me cambio el nick? |
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| 16:30.52 | gsker | wols_ thanks I'll try that. |
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| 16:32.27 | ambuli | hi all, what is non variant debian package ?. i dont see any link where it is explained. could some one kindly help ? |
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| 16:34.49 | unixSnob | running "telinit 2" does not seem to do anything... is that the proper way to get to runlevel 2? |
| 16:34.57 | unixSnob | I ran it as root |
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| 16:37.05 | Titan8990 | unixSnob: 2 is the default runlevel, so you are probably trying to change it to a runlevel its already in |
| 16:37.11 | tdn | How can I get md5deep in Debian Lenny? |
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| 16:38.23 | krisfremen | tdn: compile it? |
| 16:38.25 | Titan8990 | tdn: I would manually compile and install to /usr/local |
| 16:38.32 | unixSnob | Titan8990: ah, i didn't realize that. I thought 2 was pretty minimal, and that 5 was normal |
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| 16:39.08 | Titan8990 | unixSnob: possibly in rhel |
| 16:39.33 | unixSnob | Titan8990: so if I want to kill everything (practically like rebooting), do I run telinit 1, followed by telinit 2? |
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| 16:41.16 | tdn | Titan8990, ok. Thanks. |
| 16:41.45 | Titan8990 | unixSnob: you want telinit 0 to kill everything |
| 16:41.50 | tdn | Titan8990, so I would just do: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local ? |
| 16:41.57 | tdn | Titan8990, before make && make install. |
| 16:41.57 | unixSnob | Titan8990: okay, thanks |
| 16:42.12 | Titan8990 | tdn: no, its /usr/local by default, just ./configure; make; make install :) |
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| 16:42.46 | tdn | Titan8990, ok. |
| 16:42.57 | tdn | Titan8990, thanks. |
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| 17:01.28 | feisar | hi, is there a room for google? I'm wondering whether placing content from a blog in one subdomain on another subdomain via an rss feed could result in a ban from google for duplicate content |
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| 17:01.43 | ryan_ | ive got a debian sftp server i just built and need to replace the current windows one, I switched ips from it what else would I need to do? |
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| 17:02.05 | Titan8990 | ryan_: you had windows running sftp? |
| 17:02.20 | ryan_ | not my idea |
| 17:02.37 | ryan_ | would I need to add the public ip to my hosts file? |
| 17:02.43 | Titan8990 | ryan_: doesn't that require really expensive commercial software in windows? |
| 17:03.02 | ryan_ | no you can use SSHCOP or COPSSH w/e |
| 17:03.49 | jelly | Titan8990: cygwin has a perfectly good openssh package |
| 17:03.55 | Titan8990 | ryan_: well, you would probably want to transfer the users over to the new box... and the files but that should be about it |
| 17:04.04 | Titan8990 | jelly: server package? |
| 17:04.21 | jelly | Titan8990: the whole thing, including sshd, yes |
| 17:04.22 | ryan_ | Titan8990: did that, but still cant reach the box from the outside |
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| 17:04.51 | ryan_ | not wanting to mess with the old cisco 1600 thats in the closet |
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| 17:05.50 | ryan_ | cant reach the box at all, sftp works fine on the LAN |
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| 17:08.01 | wols_ | jelly: I wouldn't call it perfectly fine. last time I checked ithad a bigass memory leak |
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| 17:08.50 | ryan_ | is there a way to add another ip to my debian install? the last windows box had the public on it also |
| 17:09.11 | ryan_ | same interface |
| 17:09.34 | jelly | wols_: wouldn't know, it worked for months for me |
| 17:09.45 | vegardx | ifconfig eth0:0 <ip> netmask <netmask> |
| 17:09.57 | jelly | wols_: got rid of that machine in 2008 tho |
| 17:10.16 | wols_ | ryan_: can you reach it with telnet for example? telnet <ssh server> 22 does that connect? |
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| 17:10.51 | jelly | !tell ryan_ about ip aliasing |
| 17:11.09 | ryan_ | from the outside i cant even ping it |
| 17:11.20 | jelly | hm, that wasn't an overly helpful factoid |
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| 17:12.18 | jelly | unbelievably, first hit on "debian ip alias" is DJB: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ifconfig.html |
| 17:12.19 | wols_ | ryan_: traceroute it then |
| 17:12.48 | wols_ | jelly: armaggeddon must be near. or hell just had a blizzard happening |
| 17:13.24 | jelly | wols_: and the page is providing useful information! |
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| 17:16.47 | ryan_ | hehe the nic alias worked! |
| 17:16.58 | ryan_ | thanks guys |
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| 17:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, is that like "someone on the internet is wrong" or worse? |
| 17:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ip alias |
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| 17:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ip aliasing |
| 17:29.46 | dpkg | hmm... ip aliasing is when you setup multiple network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases are eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. read Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
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| 17:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it would be useful, if there was "Documentation/networking/alias.txt" |
| 17:31.22 | slackerr | now i getting this error when reconfiguring exim4: http://pastebin.ca/1843732 |
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| 17:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm more disgusted by this http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-networking-for-basic-and-advanced-users.html |
| 17:32.56 | Titan8990 | slackerr: what happened to your uucp user? |
| 17:33.31 | slackerr | Titan8990: i didnt changes any sys user after distro installation |
| 17:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and not surprising that debian.temp.com can't be resolved, but why would... sudo (??) try to resolve it |
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| 17:33.55 | isfranc | i have free drivers ati radeon HD4200 but no 3d effect, i have squeeze |
| 17:34.03 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: hes a tinkerer.... |
| 17:34.21 | Titan8990 | !fglrx squeeze |
| 17:34.28 | Titan8990 | !squeeze fglrx |
| 17:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is it usual that errors from the called program appear to come from sudo? |
| 17:34.58 | isfranc | i have install with sgfxi script |
| 17:35.11 | adb | !fglrx |
| 17:35.11 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition: does not support Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) as of fglrx-driver 1:10-1-1 (Debian bug #564444). Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:35.22 | wols_ | fglrx is broken in squeeze IIRC |
| 17:35.27 | Titan8990 | adb: not in squeeze, was looking for the factoid |
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| 17:35.49 | roshan08 | where can i make request for new package to be added in debian |
| 17:35.54 | wols_ | isfranc: then ask the sgfxi people. not us |
| 17:36.00 | wols_ | !wishlist |
| 17:36.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, wishlist is a severity on a bugreport. Use this for suggestions and requests for new features. |
| 17:36.05 | isfranc | wols_: ok |
| 17:36.09 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's worse, someone on the internet is right, and it's DJB |
| 17:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong factoid |
| 17:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, shooocking! |
| 17:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's DJB |
| 17:36.33 | jelly | !DJB |
| 17:36.33 | dpkg | i guess djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of <qmail>, <djbdns>, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See <wanker>. |
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| 17:36.47 | jelly | !factinfo djb |
| 17:36.47 | dpkg | djb -- last modified at Fri Dec 17 07:37:26 2004 by StevenK!~stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au; it has been requested 32 times, last by jelly, 14s ago. |
| 17:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wnpp |
| 17:36.58 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 17:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | roshan08, ^^^ |
| 17:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, so your neighbor has a website and he's right? |
| 17:38.26 | roshan08 | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 17:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, dat's der bunny |
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| 17:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he's my neighbor! |
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| 17:41.00 | nsadmin | djb is your neighbor? |
| 17:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 17:41.29 | simonrvn | ip block neighbour ;p |
| 17:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wikipedia says he's at UIC |
| 17:42.04 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: ICU over there |
| 17:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, by that definition I have approximately up to 8 million neighbors |
| 17:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, pardon? |
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| 17:42.48 | simonrvn | i see you |
| 17:43.01 | manixor | How can I check what is my default browser, and how can I change it? |
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| 17:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/alternatives |
| 17:43.26 | simonrvn | launch x-www-browser ;p |
| 17:43.26 | Titan8990 | manixor: depends on you DE, and also update-alterntatives --list www-browser |
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| 17:44.01 | Titan8990 | I have noticed you have to change both unfortunatly.... |
| 17:44.06 | kdasdasf | hi i downloaded libxml2 (from csv) and tried to compile it but autoreconf -if tells me it can't find no ,,m4'' directory |
| 17:44.13 | kdasdasf | but the configure.in skripts exist |
| 17:44.13 | nsadmin | dpkg-reconfigure x-www-browser? |
| 17:44.19 | kdasdasf | how do i create the m4 directory? |
| 17:44.23 | simonrvn | update-alt |
| 17:44.27 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libxml2 |
| 17:44.28 | judd | libxml2 -- etch: 2.6.27.dfsg-6; etch-security: 2.6.27.dfsg-6+etch1; lenny: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1; sid: 2.7.6.dfsg-2+b1; squeeze: 2.7.6.dfsg-2+b1 |
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| 17:44.41 | Titan8990 | kdasdasf: whats wrong with the debian package? |
| 17:45.05 | adb | Titan8990, too old ;) |
| 17:45.06 | kdasdasf | titan8990, im trying to compile it statically on multiple archs |
| 17:45.10 | simonrvn | wow, a binary file from csv, amazing |
| 17:45.34 | simonrvn | :P |
| 17:45.36 | nsadmin | statically? |
| 17:45.53 | kdasdasf | nsadmin, to link it static instead of dynamic |
| 17:45.54 | nsadmin | meaning you just want the .as? |
| 17:45.58 | Titan8990 | adb: never too old |
| 17:46.11 | kdasdasf | nsadmin, yes but not only on debian |
| 17:46.15 | simonrvn | reminds me of the troll so many years ago that cafuego counter-trolled with "but they still haven't put xml in the kernel" |
| 17:46.39 | simonrvn | adb: for rock 'n' roll |
| 17:46.41 | kdasdasf | i don't want to troll i just want to know how to create the m4 directories ^^ |
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| 17:46.55 | nsadmin | mkdir |
| 17:47.03 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: no, i'm not accusing you of anything, it's ok :) |
| 17:47.16 | kdasdasf | nsadmin, but shouldn't a script creating the m4 directory out of the configure.in? |
| 17:47.21 | nsadmin | why not try autoconf instead of autoreconf? |
| 17:47.36 | simonrvn | autoreconf runs that autofuck stuff |
| 17:47.43 | simonrvn | !autoreconf |
| 17:47.45 | kdasdasf | nsadmin, i tried autoconf which called autoreconf -if which fails |
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| 17:47.56 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:48.21 | wols_ | kdasdasf: do a sid backport |
| 17:48.46 | adb | kdasdasf, dpkg -l m4 . says ? |
| 17:49.00 | nsadmin | since autoconf is installed (is it installed properly?), this m4 dir could be something referred to by configure.in |
| 17:49.10 | kdasdasf | adb, ii m4 1.4.10-1 a macro processing language |
| 17:49.33 | kdasdasf | wols_, a package doen't really fix it i want to compile from source |
| 17:49.34 | nsadmin | m4 would have to be installed if autoconf is |
| 17:49.47 | simonrvn | !autoreconf is <reply>Runs `autoconf' (and `autoheader', `aclocal', `automake', `autopoint' (formerly `gettextize'), and `libtoolize' where appropriate) in a project set up with configure.ac |
| 17:49.47 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 17:49.51 | wols_ | kdasdasf: read up on what a "backport" means before you say this |
| 17:49.52 | simonrvn | %autoreconf is <reply>Runs `autoconf' (and `autoheader', `aclocal', `automake', `autopoint' (formerly `gettextize'), and `libtoolize' where appropriate) in a project set up with configure.ac |
| 17:49.54 | kdasdasf | hmm perhaps there buildscript is just broken |
| 17:50.02 | adb | kdasdasf, 1.4.11-1 here , on lenny |
| 17:50.07 | wols_ | !tell kdasdasf about ssb |
| 17:50.24 | nsadmin | so autoconf does not run autoreconf? |
| 17:50.24 | wols_ | ,versions m4 |
| 17:50.25 | judd | m4 -- etch: 1.4.8-2; lenny: 1.4.11-1; lenny-backports: 1.4.13-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.13-3; sid: 1.4.14-1 |
| 17:50.33 | kdasdasf | wols_ thanks i'm looking into the debian build patches |
| 17:50.37 | simonrvn | %autoreconf is <reply>Runs `autoconf' (and `autoheader', `aclocal', `automake', `autopoint' (formerly `gettextize'), and `libtoolize' where appropriate) in a project set up with configure.ac |
| 17:50.39 | ravenbird | simonrvn: Okay |
| 17:51.03 | adb | kdasdasf, so you run what ? |
| 17:51.05 | simonrvn | nsadmin: no |
| 17:51.17 | wols_ | kdasdasf: uname -r |
| 17:51.22 | nsadmin | so... again... have you tried running autoconf? |
| 17:51.25 | kdasdasf | adb, afaik the system is a lenny wait |
| 17:51.34 | kdasdasf | 2.6.24-26-generic |
| 17:51.38 | adb | ? |
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| 17:51.45 | adb | ubuntuuuuu |
| 17:51.52 | kdasdasf | what :-D |
| 17:51.55 | wols_ | kdasdasf: go back to #ubuntu and have a nice day. don't let the door hit you on your way out |
| 17:52.13 | simonrvn | nsadmin: you used to have to run them all by hand, or use an autogen.sh script |
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| 17:52.33 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: /join #ubuntu |
| 17:53.57 | nsadmin | afaik it's lenny? so you didn't install it? |
| 17:53.57 | simonrvn | no, that's an ubuntu uname -r |
| 17:53.58 | wols_ | nsadmin: no need. it's known what it is |
| 17:53.58 | crazygir | hiya, I'm new to debian and considering using the distro for a few server roles (where *BSD isn't fitting based on application support). are there any real issues with the amd64 builds that would warrant using i386 instead? |
| 17:53.58 | kdasdasf | nsadmin, the client told me its a lenny, it's a remote system |
| 17:54.05 | simonrvn | ah |
| 17:54.08 | kdasdasf | but ok i'm going to look for help in #ubuntu ;-) |
| 17:54.13 | abrotman | crazygir: planning on using any 3rd party, binary only stuff ? |
| 17:54.18 | wols_ | crazygir: not as a server. all free software is fine. only proprietary software, usually for desktops can be a PITA |
| 17:54.40 | crazygir | wols_: good to know, thanks |
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| 17:54.57 | crazygir | abrotman: sorta not really.. Splunk and MailArchiva |
| 17:55.07 | abrotman | it's either binary or not |
| 17:55.18 | Titan8990 | splunk? isn't that just a syslog viewer? |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | ssshh .. you'll ruin the mystique! |
| 17:55.37 | crazygir | hah! |
| 17:55.39 | crazygir | yep |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | crazygir: it looks like splunk has a 64bit version |
| 17:55.58 | simonrvn | kdasdasf: if the remote is a debian box, stick around, but otherwise we can't support other distros because of various technical and other reasons |
| 17:56.03 | crazygir | yes, but that wasn't the question :) |
| 17:56.20 | crazygir | Titan8990: syslog isn't so great at handling the unstructured crap I want to send it |
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| 17:56.30 | kdasdasf | simonrvn, i can understand it but its a generic question |
| 17:56.32 | abrotman | crazygir: that's the biggest part to be concerned about .. things that are binary-only that have shady or non-existant 64bit versions |
| 17:56.37 | simonrvn | crazygir: rsyslog perhaps ? |
| 17:56.48 | abrotman | kdasdasf: please go to #ubuntu for support, this channel is for Debian support. |
| 17:56.49 | crazygir | simonrvn: why would you suggest rsyslog? |
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| 17:57.11 | crazygir | abrotman: is that not (rather clearly) a trolling nick? |
| 17:57.17 | abrotman | abrotman ? |
| 17:57.20 | simonrvn | crazygir: maybe it can handle the unstructured crap you wan to send to it better |
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| 17:57.30 | simonrvn | want* |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | never thought his nick was troll-worthy |
| 17:57.45 | simonrvn | doesn't abrotman's nick is troll-worthy |
| 17:57.45 | wols_ | finally you've been found out! |
| 17:57.51 | crazygir | possibly, but then I need a simpler interface for the non-competent folks |
| 17:57.53 | AimHere | What's abrotman mean anyway? |
| 17:57.54 | simonrvn | think* |
| 17:58.03 | wols_ | AimHere: it's a name |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | AimHere: it's very tricky |
| 17:58.04 | AimHere | And can I troll people by accusing their nicks of being trolling? |
| 17:58.13 | crazygir | :P |
| 17:58.17 | simonrvn | crazygir: ah, a la some gui thingy to view logs |
| 17:58.45 | crazygir | it's less about viewing and more *finding* |
| 17:58.49 | simonrvn | i wouldn't accuse one of the ops of being a troll ;) |
| 17:58.51 | crazygir | have you used splunk? |
| 17:58.55 | abrotman | ewww |
| 17:59.00 | simonrvn | nope |
| 17:59.02 | wols_ | simonrvn: they're the worst.always them |
| 17:59.18 | simonrvn | wols_: they think they can get away with anything |
| 17:59.24 | wols_ | and they usually do |
| 17:59.24 | crazygir | simonrvn: did I? maybe kdasdasf should stop hitting the keyboard with club fingers |
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| 17:59.50 | simonrvn | crazygir: o_O |
| 17:59.56 | crazygir | nvm |
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| 18:00.16 | kdasdasf | crazygir, what? |
| 18:00.27 | crazygir | so is there any real benefit to using the amd64 builds, memory limits aside? |
| 18:00.40 | crazygir | kdasdasf: nvm |
| 18:00.40 | wols_ | usually not. memory is far the biggest |
| 18:00.44 | kdasdasf | ok |
| 18:00.53 | crazygir | awesome, thanks :) |
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| 18:01.04 | wols_ | and only applies if a single process needs >3GB, otherwise there are ways to use more than 4GB in all just fine |
| 18:01.28 | wedge | get amd64 |
| 18:01.32 | wedge | 32bit is dumb |
| 18:01.39 | wedge | and eventually you'll run into something requiring a lot of ram |
| 18:01.39 | bibekp | hi, i want to maintain a new package and i am using the debian bug-report. can i get help in this channel ? |
| 18:02.21 | wols_ | you can get help with anything debian related here |
| 18:02.23 | crazygir | wedge: sorry, but that seems to lack any sensibility |
| 18:02.35 | wedge | crazygir: how so? you get lots of memoryallocation area |
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| 18:02.43 | wedge | most stuff is compatible in 64bit debian anyway |
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| 18:02.49 | crazygir | most? |
| 18:02.56 | wedge | so why not go for 64bit and leave behind 32bit once and for all |
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| 18:03.08 | wedge | force adoption of 64bit OS is a good thing |
| 18:03.30 | crazygir | I guess then, it is a comparison to what isn't working/compatible versus when or how often you'll run into mem issues on i386 |
| 18:03.35 | abrotman | wedge: because it's not for everyone |
| 18:03.48 | crazygir | so you're perspective is more about forcing shiate down folks' throats? |
| 18:04.00 | crazygir | than actually providing sound insight |
| 18:04.28 | bibekp | debhelper, help |
| 18:04.50 | wols_ | bibekp: maybe you should start by stating your problem or asking a question |
| 18:05.13 | wols_ | !tell bibekp about mentors |
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| 18:05.33 | nervoustwitch | telling everyone to switch to 64bit is ridiculous |
| 18:05.34 | wedge | crazygir: shite? I've worked in server environment for plenty years. <4GB systems is just not cutting it anymore |
| 18:05.34 | bibekp | wols_, i want to maintain a new package and i am using debian bugreport. i need some help. is this the right place to ask ? |
| 18:06.04 | wedge | look at commit mem, sql databases and utalization in 32bit vs 64bit you'll see a lot of advantages performance wise to go 64bit |
| 18:06.08 | Titan8990 | bibekp: #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:06.09 | wols_ | bibekp: I already told you |
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| 18:06.14 | wedge | being able to allocate full memory area |
| 18:06.33 | crazygir | wedge: it's just that you make quite a few assumptions by saying it's always better |
| 18:06.36 | crazygir | just use it |
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| 18:06.46 | bibekp | wols_, Titan8990 thanks |
| 18:07.10 | jelly | I'd switch to 64bit if it had a 32bit perl package or perl built in such a way that hash memory usage wasn't increased from i386. |
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| 18:08.09 | crazygir | any known issues running java jre's and such run on amd64? |
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| 18:08.59 | bibekp | wols_, on OFTC or irc.debian.org ? |
| 18:10.02 | EXCHIM | hi geek |
| 18:10.34 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 18:10.45 | wols_ | bibekp: oftc IS irc.debian.org |
| 18:10.55 | bibekp | wols_, hm, didnt know |
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| 18:11.45 | delta3 | hello |
| 18:11.51 | simonrvn | irc.d.o is a cname pointing to oftc |
| 18:11.55 | EXCHIM | how r u doing? |
| 18:12.23 | simonrvn | EXCHIM: this is a support channel. do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:13.14 | EXCHIM | nope nothing |
| 18:13.26 | EXCHIM | just congrat DEBIAN looks pretty good |
| 18:13.39 | wols_ | EXCHIM: stop that please. if you want to just chat, go to #defocus |
| 18:14.19 | EXCHIM | thx |
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| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | the contributors would thank you for the compliment, i think |
| 18:15.31 | EXCHIM | maybe |
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| 18:17.50 | eviltoaster | anyone used proxim ap-700? |
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| 18:18.14 | wols_ | eviltoaster: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 18:30.52 | martianlobster | I am thinking of installing debian, on a server that I have at a colo. It currently has windows on it. |
| 18:31.21 | Bohemian | anyone here successfully set up grsecurity in debian lenny? |
| 18:31.28 | martianlobster | Is there some way I could get someone there to put in the cd, reboot it, and have me ssh into it to finish the install. |
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| 18:32.14 | dsockwell | they ought to have some kind of out-of-band console for you |
| 18:32.16 | martianlobster | :-/ I am thinking this sounds too hard, they would have to configure ssh, |
| 18:34.19 | nat2610 | I'm playing with that NAS box from netgear and on it have a debian etch and I'm having trouble compiling qt 4.6, anyone had tried that before ? If I install the sdk package without compiling I get ./qmake: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | martianlobster: I had my ISP do a minimal debian install and open ssh for me. Worked fine. |
| 18:35.02 | martianlobster | jhutchins that is good to know. Thanks |
| 18:36.11 | nat2610 | and if I try to compile, I get to a point where I have /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible lib/libXext.so |
| 18:36.16 | Titan8990 | nat2610: install lib64stdc++6-4.2-dbg... why are you compiling qt on a NAS device??? |
| 18:36.17 | nat2610 | in a test of the configure |
| 18:36.41 | Titan8990 | nat2610: err, sorry, not 64... |
| 18:36.54 | maligor | Titan8990, why not? Qt is quite a nice framework even without the gui bits |
| 18:36.55 | Titan8990 | nat2610: libstdc++6 |
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| 18:37.30 | Titan8990 | maligor: I guess I didn't know it was something other than a graphics framework. why not compile it? because its already packaged for debian |
| 18:37.31 | maligor | assuming someone's written services that use it ofcourse :P |
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| 18:44.07 | nat2610 | Titan8990, I have the lib, it's just htat QT doesn't like it |
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| 18:44.41 | nat2610 | I'm trying to install qt because I want to put an app on it that uses qt4.6 .... and it's not on it currently |
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| 18:44.59 | nat2610 | I did my proof of concept upgrading the distro to lenny |
| 18:45.00 | nat2610 | and it works |
| 18:45.26 | nat2610 | but I can't distribute an app for the NAS that forces you to upgrade to lenny |
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| 18:45.48 | vp | Hi ! Q:Situation:Two notebooks, IPs from DHCP, same subnet but every day another IP. How I can addres one to another via symbolic name, so "ping notebook_a" will work every day? I look for something like samba WINS, but for linux system. No additional server in charge is allowed - service must be installed only on notebooks. Any hint welcome. Thanks. |
| 18:45.50 | nat2610 | and I actually need to graphic libraries because of Webkit |
| 18:46.57 | Titan8990 | vp: avahi might be able to do something like that. or you set your DHCP server to always assign your machines the same IP and use a hosts file |
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| 18:47.14 | pallgone | wow... massive updates on squeeze |
| 18:47.29 | nat2610 | vp, if you can access the dhcp server (like let say you have one of those router for home) you can assign a "fix" ip for a designate mac address |
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| 18:47.56 | vp | Titan8990: DHCP setup can't be changed. |
| 18:48.22 | Titan8990 | vp: can't have a server, can't change dhcp settings... you want magic, eh? |
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| 18:48.37 | nat2610 | vp you can use one of those dyndns type of service |
| 18:48.45 | nat2610 | and go through internet |
| 18:48.46 | vp | Must work without any server. |
| 18:48.53 | nat2610 | to ping your marchine |
| 18:49.02 | vp | dyndns is no solution behind NAT i quess. |
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| 18:49.26 | Titan8990 | vp: avahi, but you will likely notice a performance drop in DNS queries |
| 18:49.50 | vp | What I need is somthing wich change my /etc/hosts to point hostname to the right IP. done. |
| 18:50.08 | nat2610 | vp, I think it can be a solution ... I haven't tried that to be honnest but since there is a deamon running on the machine, it's very possible that it can work on a NAT |
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| 18:50.23 | vp | not known about avahi, must look. |
| 18:50.27 | Titan8990 | nat2610: it will only work for public IPs |
| 18:50.37 | nat2610 | Titan8990, yeah right ... |
| 18:50.38 | nat2610 | sorry |
| 18:50.40 | nat2610 | you'r right |
| 18:50.42 | Titan8990 | nat2610: the device can be behind NAT though |
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| 18:51.30 | tomi_ | on testing i should use kernel 2.6.32-3 or 2.6.32-trunk ? |
| 18:51.41 | tomi_ | what is trunk kernel? |
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| 18:52.32 | vp | The real situation is : the network is not the same every day ... |
| 18:52.36 | jelly-home | tomi_: use the one with the number. |
| 18:53.13 | tomi_ | so what i trunk kernel ? |
| 18:53.13 | jelly-home | !tell tomi_ about kernel abi |
| 18:54.31 | tomi_ | so trunk is for developers ? |
| 18:55.16 | jhutchins_lt | vp: You could set up a script that checks the IP and updates a remote host when it changes. |
| 18:55.30 | wedge | since a majority of users use microsoft (maybe not in server world) and microsoft decided that win7 will be last OS with 32bit support.. I believe that if linux distros does not follow and strictly work on improving 64bit embracing a lot of people will switch back to windows. especially in server-works. |
| 18:56.03 | simonrvn | oh please |
| 18:56.11 | wedge | personally I've installed 32bit way too many times to realise that 32bit limitation comes back to bite me in the ass |
| 18:56.21 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:56.21 | maligor | wedge, err.. what? |
| 18:56.22 | wedge | (building large infrastructures where memory allocation is required) |
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| 18:56.33 | maligor | 64bit support has been in linux since the dark ages |
| 18:56.38 | simonrvn | he's smoking crack again |
| 18:56.42 | wedge | sigh |
| 18:56.49 | vp | jhutchins_lt: But how I obtain the IP? |
| 18:56.55 | wedge | you arent listening |
| 18:57.14 | jhutchins | wedge: Were not agreeing, that's not the same thing. |
| 18:57.17 | wedge | my thinking is that 32bit should be made secondary, I know 64bit has had support for ages. |
| 18:57.18 | pallgone | wedge: hah, who cares about about what the majority is doing |
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| 18:57.50 | jelly-home | wedge: do you have a debian support question? |
| 18:57.56 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 18:57.56 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:58.05 | nervoustwitch | please |
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| 18:58.52 | themill | wedge: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future. #debian is not a discussion channel. You might like to try ##linux or #defocus. |
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| 19:01.48 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 19:03.06 | LittleDedPenguin | has anybody here had experience with debian on a plug computer? i don't have my plug yet, but will soon and would like any hints or tricks to work with it |
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| 19:03.54 | LittleDedPenguin | as far as i know, it comes with ubuntu, but that is going to go |
| 19:04.19 | LittleDedPenguin | as i run debian on my desktops and laptops, only makes sense to put debian on the plug |
| 19:04.33 | SimManiac | what is a plug computer? |
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| 19:05.05 | LittleDedPenguin | a computer the size of a wall wart |
| 19:05.20 | Titan8990 | SimManiac: sheevaplug is a good example |
| 19:05.25 | becker_11 | I've just installed debian stable via the netinstall and unetbootin but it doesn't boot grub was installed to the mbr but on reboot I get grub loading error: file not found |
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| 19:05.37 | LittleDedPenguin | mine is a sheeva variant, guruserver plus |
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| 19:05.48 | Titan8990 | !tell becker_11 about reinstall grub |
| 19:06.11 | Titan8990 | becker_11: make sure you booting the correct hard drive before you go off reinstall grub though |
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| 19:06.37 | becker_11 | Titan8990: yeah only got the 1hd it's an eeepc with 160gb drive |
| 19:06.52 | Titan8990 | becker_11: check pm from dpkg |
| 19:06.55 | LittleDedPenguin | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx#features |
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| 19:07.04 | becker_11 | Titan8990: yeah I saw it thanks |
| 19:07.05 | maligor | is debian really that practical on sheevaplugs? |
| 19:07.09 | maligor | it doesn't have any big mass storage connectors |
| 19:07.19 | Titan8990 | maligor: very |
| 19:07.22 | LittleDedPenguin | i'll have 2T hooked up to this one |
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| 19:07.29 | ircDon | Did anything flow into Sid recently that might break a Logitech MX5500 Bluetooth USB mouse and keyboard connector? |
| 19:07.37 | maligor | oh sweet, that one has eSata |
| 19:07.40 | Titan8990 | maligor: debian is nice for embedded devices. look at the n900 |
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| 19:08.03 | maligor | Titan8990, well, I run it on my NAS ofcourse ;P |
| 19:08.13 | maligor | n900 runs maemo tho |
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| 19:08.26 | Titan8990 | maligor: which is a "based on debian" |
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| 19:09.44 | maligor | Titan8990, well, it's moot anyway, that plug LittleDedPenguin showed has eSata, so you can just install a normal debian on it |
| 19:10.32 | LittleDedPenguin | eSATA/2USB/WIFI/2GbE/Bluetooth |
| 19:10.38 | maligor | LittleDedPenguin, the biggest issue is configuring it to boot from disk |
| 19:10.53 | maligor | since, it doesn't have a native display |
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| 19:11.25 | maligor | I think kirkwoods were just normal arm9's so you can just use Debian armel |
| 19:11.37 | LittleDedPenguin | good to know |
| 19:11.57 | maligor | I have armel running on my marvell orion |
| 19:11.58 | valdyn | LittleDedPenguin: that thing has 2 GbE ports? |
| 19:12.03 | LittleDedPenguin | yes |
| 19:13.13 | maligor | darned sweet looking little thing |
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| 19:13.22 | LittleDedPenguin | i've kind of jumped blindly into buying it, and hoping i can use it to its potential |
| 19:13.43 | maligor | it'll probably work very nicely as a single disk NAS |
| 19:13.50 | maligor | among other things |
| 19:14.06 | LittleDedPenguin | i have a 4 bay esata box on its way, will have 4x500GB drives hooked up to it |
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| 19:14.59 | balrog|irssi | hello |
| 19:15.04 | balrog|irssi | anyone knows how autofs works? |
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| 19:15.14 | balrog|irssi | because I have transmission-daemon starting before autofs is ready |
| 19:15.27 | LittleDedPenguin | i already have the drives, WD 500GB RE3 |
| 19:15.56 | jhutchins | LittleDedPenguin: I suggest you have a good look at how they've optimized ubuntu on it before you wipe it out. |
| 19:16.21 | maligor | I didn't even know ubuntu had armel |
| 19:16.37 | Titan8990 | thinks they recently dropped support for it |
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| 19:17.22 | LittleDedPenguin | i'll make sure i back up the system before i wipe it, i'd rather keep to an operating system i at least somewhat know ... that and i don't really care for ubuntu ... i'll see what's up with it when i get it and start playing |
| 19:17.35 | maligor | but since it has 512MB ram and a 1.2GHz ARM9, I don't think you need to bother with 'optimizing' |
| 19:18.03 | maligor | and the disk interface is reasonably fast for a ARM |
| 19:18.28 | valdyn | arm isnt fast |
| 19:18.36 | valdyn | not at 1.2 ghz either |
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| 19:18.45 | maligor | fast enough |
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| 19:19.06 | maligor | I wouldn't try to run google's data center on one ofcourse |
| 19:19.19 | LittleDedPenguin | 512MB DDR2/512MB nand/microSD slot, it won't be a screamer, but it'll work as a file/print server |
| 19:19.24 | valdyn | i need something to replace a duron 1800 |
| 19:19.27 | RayzrShrp | anybody able to get to www.bananarepublic.com? |
| 19:19.29 | valdyn | thats like a dual core arm |
| 19:20.19 | maligor | LittleDedPenguin, easily |
| 19:20.39 | maligor | it might even be able to saturate the GbE, but not totally sure |
| 19:21.10 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.bananarepublic.com/ |
| 19:21.22 | LittleDedPenguin | this will actually be replacing a dual opteron system i have setup, plus some ... the dual opteron server is noisy and sucks electricity and is over powered for what it does |
| 19:22.01 | valdyn | LittleDedPenguin: did you find some arm system in a larger case btw? |
| 19:22.10 | pallgone | ew... latest updates in squeeze screwed my X... |
| 19:22.20 | maligor | valdyn, there's openRD |
| 19:22.28 | LittleDedPenguin | i liked the idea of the plug, thought i'd give it a try before i went with an atom setup |
| 19:22.53 | LittleDedPenguin | was even thinking of eventually getting a guru display to modify and put in the truck |
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| 19:23.15 | maligor | valdyn, http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-24-openrd-client-openrd-client-board-with-enclosure.aspx |
| 19:23.17 | LittleDedPenguin | heh, all running debian i hope |
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| 19:23.54 | RayzrShrp | jhutchins: nice little site |
| 19:24.01 | LittleDedPenguin | i looked at that also, but i don't have the $$ for it |
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| 19:24.53 | LittleDedPenguin | pull the AC/DC converter out of the plug, will run on 5V/3A |
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| 19:25.15 | becker_11 | Titan8990: this supergrubdisk is it like a live cd?? so when it says boot I should just let it boot up?? |
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| 19:25.44 | balrog|irssi | LittleDedPenguin: plug computer? |
| 19:25.46 | Titan8990 | becker_11: yes |
| 19:25.46 | balrog|irssi | I have one :) |
| 19:25.54 | balrog|irssi | using it right now |
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| 19:26.04 | becker_11 | Titan8990: okay thanks |
| 19:26.11 | LittleDedPenguin | i getting one, just asking what kind of troubles debian might give me with it |
| 19:26.20 | balrog|irssi | make sure you have a large enough rootfs |
| 19:26.29 | balrog|irssi | you don't want to boot off the internal 512MB flash |
| 19:26.42 | balrog|irssi | I have a 2GB SD card and it's got 162MB free |
| 19:26.50 | balrog|irssi | however, don't use an SD card for swap |
| 19:26.51 | valdyn | maligor: i cant really see if this thing takes a harddisk ( inside ) |
| 19:26.52 | Backup | ive been trying to get a netinstall working with the kmuto images, they detect my wifi cards just fine, but its inable to get a DHCP responce, any ideas? |
| 19:26.54 | LittleDedPenguin | i'll have either a microSD for boot, or boot off hard disk |
| 19:26.56 | balrog|irssi | another way is using a hard drive |
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| 19:27.06 | Backup | unable* |
| 19:27.07 | balrog|irssi | I have a hard drive for storage and swap |
| 19:27.11 | balrog|irssi | yea, you can boot from hard drive |
| 19:27.13 | maligor | valdyn, no |
| 19:27.29 | valdyn | nm ican see, it surely does not |
| 19:27.32 | LittleDedPenguin | i'll have four drives hooked up to it if it works with the multiplier |
| 19:27.38 | balrog|irssi | LittleDedPenguin: eSATA? |
| 19:27.41 | LittleDedPenguin | yes |
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| 19:27.45 | balrog|irssi | URL please |
| 19:27.49 | balrog|irssi | I don't have one with eSATA |
| 19:27.49 | LittleDedPenguin | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx#features |
| 19:27.51 | balrog|irssi | the 15:12 <+jasonwc> also, if you attempt to "test" an edit, it will give you a 404 error page |
| 19:28.34 | isfranc | i go to make new kernel, but have a solution for have my kernel configuration i use at this time ? |
| 19:28.35 | balrog|irssi | argh, sorry |
| 19:28.40 | balrog|irssi | that wasn't supposed to go here |
| 19:28.45 | balrog|irssi | how much is that model? |
| 19:28.51 | balrog|irssi | I got the $100 basic model |
| 19:28.58 | LittleDedPenguin | cost me about $150 to get it home |
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| 19:29.09 | LittleDedPenguin | $129 +s/h |
| 19:29.20 | balrog|irssi | I have http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx |
| 19:29.26 | LittleDedPenguin | i ordered it in time to get the free JTAG box with it |
| 19:29.42 | balrog|irssi | hah nice |
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| 19:29.48 | nsadmin | isfranc so you want to start with existing config? |
| 19:29.50 | balrog|irssi | JTAG box means SD and JTAG and serial, right? |
| 19:30.09 | LittleDedPenguin | microSD is built into it, JTAG and serial via the box |
| 19:30.12 | nsadmin | brb |
| 19:30.22 | LittleDedPenguin | balrog|irssi, are you running debian on your sheeva? |
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| 19:30.26 | balrog|irssi | yes |
| 19:30.29 | balrog|irssi | debian squeeze |
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| 19:30.44 | isfranc | nsadmin: i go for make a new kernel (xen dom0), but i want see my actual modules and built in |
| 19:30.44 | LittleDedPenguin | any major problems? |
| 19:31.00 | balrog|irssi | nope. just don't let the rootfs fill up, and don't use flash for swap |
| 19:31.44 | balrog|irssi | and remember that you need to run flash-kernel whenever you change the kernel |
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| 19:31.56 | balrog|irssi | also make sure you have a uBoot that supports SD and USB (or eSATA boot) |
| 19:32.11 | LittleDedPenguin | i have this coming, hoping to have it work with the plug.. http://www.sansdigital.com/towerraid/tr4mb.html |
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| 19:32.45 | balrog|irssi | I don't know if it supports port multiplication |
| 19:32.48 | isfranc | nsadmin: now i have a standard squeeze big mem kernel, where i can see kernel compil option ( module etc ) ? |
| 19:32.48 | balrog|irssi | check on the forums |
| 19:32.54 | balrog|irssi | anyway, the one I have can use esata |
| 19:33.08 | balrog|irssi | just need to solder in a bunch of parts |
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| 19:33.12 | nsadmin | do you want amd64 kernel? |
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| 19:33.41 | nsadmin | IF you have used the debian tool make-kpkg, the config file is in /boot |
| 19:33.49 | isfranc | nsadmin: no i must have xfs file systeme and other my a new kernel for my xen dom0 32 bits |
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| 19:34.09 | isfranc | nsadmin: ok config in /boot |
| 19:34.31 | nsadmin | did you install a debian kernel? |
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| 19:34.38 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
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| 19:34.49 | wols_ | nsadmin: he insists on compiling his own |
| 19:35.00 | Titan8990 | isfranc: the default debian kernel includes XFS |
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| 19:35.06 | nsadmin | yes I see |
| 19:35.20 | maligor | LittleDedPenguin, do you actually need jtag?-) |
| 19:35.39 | LittleDedPenguin | it was free, and may need it, this is an experiment |
| 19:35.40 | maligor | LittleDedPenguin, you do know it's for lowlevel debugging |
| 19:35.52 | isfranc | Titan8990: nsadmin ok thanks i have see config in /boot default xen 4 kernel have no xfs and i think other |
| 19:36.17 | LittleDedPenguin | i can screw things up well beyond what normal people have been known to |
| 19:36.35 | pallgone | is there a news page or something that announces what is going on with squeeze? (updates etc.) |
| 19:37.01 | nsadmin | well since you do have the config you can check (xfs 4?) |
| 19:37.20 | Titan8990 | pallgone: probably some kind of mailing list |
| 19:37.23 | becker_11 | Titan8990: I've got it (sgd) loaded and it says it's running "embed" /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 ... but it's been that way for over 5 mins so I assume it's hung? |
| 19:38.35 | Titan8990 | becker_11: give it a few min, sometimes it hangs for a while looking for a floppy drive |
| 19:38.42 | nsadmin | btw I think if you run an amd64 hypervisor you can have amd64 guests as well as a i386/i686 guest or dom0 |
| 19:38.59 | becker_11 | Titan8990: okay I'm running it off usb so yeah theres no floopy or cdrom |
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| 19:39.31 | valdyn | pallgone: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
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| 19:42.26 | kieren | Hi, I'm having some trouble with dependencies when installing ffmpeg |
| 19:42.29 | kieren | http://pastebin.com/AyrHBPiS |
| 19:42.32 | kieren | Any ideas? |
| 19:42.53 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 19:42.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 19:43.11 | valdyn | kieren: who broke your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 19:43.43 | greycat | I bet it was that 'root' fellow. |
| 19:43.53 | doubleclick | :) |
| 19:44.03 | nsadmin | rootbeer? |
| 19:44.51 | kieren | Ah, that's sorted it ;) |
| 19:44.54 | isfranc | have a good x package for make kernel ? |
| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | kieren: which debian release are you using, and which debian-multimedia repo do you have enabled? |
| 19:44.56 | greycat | root + beer = trouble, quite often |
| 19:45.17 | nsadmin | way way wayyyy too much sugar |
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| 19:49.04 | becker_11 | Titan8990: okay this has been over ten minutes trying to "embed" grub should I just ctrl c it or power down or what? |
| 19:49.12 | extor | Is there a way to install debian via PXE so that everything is either automated or it sets up a VNC/RDP server like absolutely right away at a given IP address? |
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| 19:49.30 | valdyn | !ssh install |
| 19:49.31 | dpkg | well, ssh install is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous or [obsolete] http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html See also <debootstrap>. |
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| 19:49.45 | valdyn | extor: certainly not vnc/rdp |
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| 19:50.17 | nsadmin | extor there are lots of ways of installing debian... many are listed in the install guide |
| 19:50.21 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 19:50.21 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:51.38 | extor | valdyn, nsadmin my problem is that I lost KVM access to a server but I have reboot access and it is set to boot VIA PXE. Right now I "got in" via a knoppix PXE boot and can create a /boot on it with an install kernel or...I can setup a PXE install server but I have no physical console access. How should I proceed? |
| 19:52.09 | balrog|irssi | question: how do I get a maintainer to update a package? Just wait? :\ |
| 19:52.16 | Titan8990 | becker_11: was this from the automated grub livecd? |
| 19:52.22 | valdyn | extor: many ways |
| 19:52.26 | valdyn | extor: debootstrap is one |
| 19:52.33 | greycat | balrog|irssi: if there's a new upstream version, you can file a wishlist bug against the package |
| 19:52.43 | balrog|irssi | hmm ok |
| 19:52.47 | becker_11 | Titan8990: yeah supergrub |
| 19:52.52 | balrog|irssi | usually the maintainer does it within a week anyway |
| 19:53.01 | valdyn | extor: id do debootstrap at this point when you are already in |
| 19:53.04 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 19:53.05 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 19:53.16 | extor | valdyn, will debootstrap give me ssh access during the install or at least allow me to give it a predetermined IP address and root password? |
| 19:53.27 | valdyn | extor: it will install from knoppix |
| 19:53.37 | extor | ohhhhhh from knoppix |
| 19:53.46 | valdyn | extor: and it will have ssh running after the reboot if you install it |
| 19:53.59 | extor | that's my best bet then cuz pxe booting can get hairy with wireshark needed just to tshoot |
| 19:54.18 | Titan8990 | becker_11: yeah, I would stop and try the other method where you chroot froma livecd |
| 19:54.20 | extor | valdyn, so I just format myself a /boot and copy the debootrap files and run grub or something? |
| 19:54.36 | extor | Or..I just run deboostrap and let it do everything itself... |
| 19:54.38 | Titan8990 | becker_11: although its odd that its giving you so much trouble. do you have any kind of special hardware configuration? |
| 19:54.59 | valdyn | extor: you get to create the partitions yourself, debootstrap only installs debian packages |
| 19:55.10 | becker_11 | Titan8990: its an asus eee pc with the atom processor and 160gb hd so I dont think its unusual |
| 19:55.31 | isfranc | if i have a file config for kernel, how i can make kernel with this ? |
| 19:55.33 | valdyn | extor: look at what dpkg said: kernel and boot manager you need to install into the base system from knoppix via chroot |
| 19:55.35 | extor | valdyn, but the stage I am in...I just need to create the kernel+initrd + grub setup and reboot it? |
| 19:55.50 | isfranc | have make < config ? |
| 19:55.57 | valdyn | extor: installing debian is more than that |
| 19:56.02 | extor | valdyn, but how do I tell it which IP address to take up...and what the root password should be? |
| 19:56.19 | valdyn | !chroot |
| 19:56.19 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
| 19:56.22 | extor | valdyn, I know its more than that but...just to get the install kernel going |
| 19:56.32 | valdyn | please start reading... both .. what dpkg said |
| 19:56.58 | extor | ok |
| 19:57.09 | valdyn | extor: debootstrap installs a complete debian system if you follow the instructions dpkg is giving |
| 19:57.44 | extor | k |
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| 20:07.52 | becker_11 | Titan8990: yeah I really think this is a lost cause I have just tried to boot directly into my debian install using supergrub and thats hung as well. I dont have the know how to figure this one out |
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| 20:08.20 | Titan8990 | !reinstall grub |
| 20:08.20 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode> |
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| 20:08.43 | Titan8990 | becker_11: try the chroot method, only before grub-instal, try: aptitude reinstall grub |
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| 20:09.53 | linuxguy | Hi is it possible to point synaptic to more upto date repos? like i want to install openoffice 3.1 and more upto date apps..Im using up to date lenny |
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| 20:10.29 | Titan8990 | !tell linuxguy about bpo |
| 20:10.40 | Titan8990 | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 20:10.42 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; sid: 1:3.2.0-4; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4 |
| 20:10.52 | adb | !tell linuxguy about sns |
| 20:10.54 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: oo.org 3.1 is in lenny-backports |
| 20:11.11 | Titan8990 | adb: 3.x openoffice is a reasonable non-sns request :) |
| 20:11.30 | Titan8990 | its required to open the newer MS documents |
| 20:11.38 | adb | Titan8990, knowing linuxguy ... no |
| 20:11.45 | Titan8990 | hehe |
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| 20:15.42 | linuxguy | adb, I really think you outo get rid off that dpkg sh@t called sns makes debain users who ask genuine question look like morons!! |
| 20:16.24 | greycat | linuxguy: only if they ask the wrong questions |
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| 20:17.47 | linuxguy | so question is can I update sunatic?, the answer it seems is yes, it would be more helpfull to say yes and point me in the right direction not show me or any others a sarcastic thicko you script |
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| 20:18.20 | adb | 21:08<Titan8990> !tell linuxguy about bpo |
| 20:18.27 | extor | Ooooh! knoppix comes with debootstap already included :) |
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| 20:18.37 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: check your PMs from dpkg |
| 20:18.50 | greycat | linuxguy: the question was not "how to update synaptic" but rather, "how to update openoffice". And you were told that the version of OO.o you want is in lenny-backports. I don't see the problem. |
| 20:19.10 | nsadmin | so you could debootstrap your way into a debian |
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| 20:19.19 | linuxguy | <dpkg> adb wants you to know: [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. <<that is what I am on about |
| 20:19.28 | Titan8990 | linuxguy: the one before that |
| 20:19.35 | linuxguy | brb lunch |
| 20:19.35 | xxtjaxx | Since Firefox was rebranded long time ago to be called iceweasel because we are freedom lovers what is the equivalent for Fennec in Debian? |
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| 20:21.18 | nsadmin | did the makers of fennec insist that debian change the name? |
| 20:21.21 | greycat | what's a fennec? |
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| 20:22.08 | slb_ | i have a local dns setup with a custom webserver using the name (is.whatever) on my local network , how can i create a separate local name like something.else to work with my web server but also have is.whatever working? is it just the same process of adding to my bind config files and then another entry in my apache config? |
| 20:22.48 | greycat | slb_: you want virtual hosts in your web server configuration |
| 20:22.53 | Titan8990 | slb_: yes, and hosts file on the server |
| 20:23.11 | slb_ | ok cool os its real just additional entries |
| 20:23.15 | slb_ | wonderful thank you |
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| 20:23.29 | nsadmin | yeah, that sounds right... so you have is.whatever.(nothing) and you want something.else.(nothing) |
| 20:23.29 | jhutchins | slb_: apache can either respond with the default pages or can listen for the hostname and respond with host-specific pages. Adding a second entry in /etc/hosts or in bind will point to the same IP. |
| 20:23.30 | Kaatje | hi |
| 20:23.42 | Kaatje | need some help wth finding libuuid |
| 20:23.49 | slb_ | i also have to add the domain to bind config too though right |
| 20:23.54 | slb_ | zone file |
| 20:23.56 | Kaatje | i686 32bit system |
| 20:24.08 | jhutchins | slb_: You would add a cname entry. |
| 20:24.14 | slb_ | oh ok |
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| 20:24.19 | karlpinc | slb_: You need a new zone file, for a completely different domain. |
| 20:24.24 | greycat | Kaatje: apt-cache search libuuid |
| 20:24.29 | slb_ | great thanks |
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| 20:24.30 | Kaatje | kk |
| 20:24.33 | slb_ | so much |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Actually, you can do multiple domains in one file. |
| 20:25.26 | greycat | I've never seen BIND configured to use multiple domains in a single zone file. |
| 20:25.27 | karlpinc | jhutchins: True. Depends on how you declare them. If you pretend to be a root nameserver everything can go in one zone. Seems unsafe somehow though. |
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| 20:25.41 | Kaatje | that worked |
| 20:25.42 | Kaatje | thanks |
| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | I throw a couple of out-of-network hosts into my local zone file sometimes for convenience. |
| 20:26.15 | xxtjaxx | greycat its mobile / lightweight firefox/Iceweasel |
| 20:26.36 | jhutchins | xxtjaxx: Why would it need to be rebranded? |
| 20:26.46 | greycat | xxtjaxx: well, if it's packaged for Debian at all, then the package would have to conform to the license selected by the copyright holder |
| 20:26.48 | noppe | what are the recommended options for ext4 in fstab? |
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| 20:27.39 | xxtjaxx | since its Iceweasel and is afaik part of Mozilla I suspect it needs rebranding no? |
| 20:27.43 | greycat | If the license says "you may not make any modifications to this software unless you change the name", then it would need to be renamed. |
| 20:27.46 | jhutchins | noppe: That's why you're supposed to be testing it for us. |
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| 20:28.43 | xxtjaxx | is it packaged in Debian in anyway or not? |
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| 20:29.07 | noppe | jhutchins: i will. right now i have the same line for the ext3 and ext4 partitions. |
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| 20:45.04 | ike | Hello. Is there anyone who have Macbook3,1 and suspend to ram (s2ram) working? |
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| 20:46.01 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 20:46.57 | bernardo | hello |
| 20:47.02 | bernardo | hello :S |
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| 20:51.38 | heyarny | Hi, anyone know how to delete a file owned by user 10000? I'm root but still don't have permission to delete a file ;/ |
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| 20:52.33 | heyarny | -rwxr-x--- 1 10000 10000 453 2010-03-17 20:06 php-fcgi-starter <-- I want to get rid of this file |
| 20:52.57 | Titan8990 | heyarny: are you running selinux? |
| 20:53.04 | nn | Using sid (but same problem on every deb box ive tried)- at a vt a regular user cannot run aumix within screen, it draws and exits immediately. It works as root or if using TERM=vt100 aumix |
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| 20:53.51 | heyarny | Titan8990: hm, I'm using debian (?) |
| 20:54.07 | nn | Seems to be catching a SIGPIPE, but from unknown cause |
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| 20:54.58 | nn | Any idea on how to perhaps catch a gdb backtrace into a file rather than stdout since curses tramples over it? |
| 20:55.03 | benji_ | ftp2.fr.debian.org is damn slow |
| 20:55.32 | \amethyst | nn: ##workingset might know if noone here does |
| 20:56.08 | \amethyst | for that matter there is a #gdb |
| 20:56.24 | jelly-home | nn: use script as a last resort |
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| 20:57.18 | Titan8990 | heyarny: pastebin your command and output |
| 20:57.49 | Titan8990 | heyarny: actually, is the perms on the dir for that file have a sticky? |
| 20:58.12 | nn | Aha. The issue seems to be aumix catches SIGPIPE in Gpm_Open if and only if running under screen as a non-root user with TERM=linux or screen.linux |
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| 20:59.18 | jelly-home | nn: why, shouldn't TERM equal "screen" under screen? |
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| 20:59.40 | Titan8990 | mine says screen |
| 21:00.17 | nn | jelly-home: It is screen.linux when at a vt |
| 21:00.55 | Titan8990 | just confirmed |
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| 21:01.51 | hramrach | Is it possible to suspend to disk without a swap partition? |
| 21:02.06 | nn | Titan8990: Are you at a console? |
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| 21:02.39 | Bohemian | recompiling a custom kernel for the third time |
| 21:02.40 | hramrach | the uswsusp man page seems to only talk about suspending to swap, and to suspend to a swap file you should be running a special kernel |
| 21:02.43 | Bohemian | sighs |
| 21:02.48 | Bohemian | 3rd time is a charm, right? |
| 21:03.11 | hramrach | why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 21:03.13 | heyarny | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/AL0LJVEX "secret" is sensitive data, had to replace |
| 21:04.07 | nn | the name of your porn site? :P |
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| 21:04.15 | heyarny | no ;) |
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| 21:05.09 | heyarny | the first directory is set to "root" as owner, but lower are "10000" |
| 21:05.34 | \amethyst | that's what -e means |
| 21:05.36 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:06.39 | heyarny | \amethyst: talking to me? ;) |
| 21:07.13 | \amethyst | heyarny: no, wrong channel |
| 21:08.28 | hramrach | considers buying a SD card for a swap partition |
| 21:09.19 | bernardo | hello! i need help with postfix :S |
| 21:09.33 | jelly-home | wonders what :S means |
| 21:09.34 | nn | hramrach: i'd set your vs.swapiness to 0 ;) |
| 21:09.42 | nn | jelly-home: Its like a snakes tongue |
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| 21:10.08 | nn | bernardo: can you be more specific? Postfix is a very mythical and powerful creature |
| 21:10.17 | jelly-home | nn: wouldn't :-< be a better fit |
| 21:10.57 | nn | jelly-home: Perhaps but that just seems like a very sad tiki face |
| 21:11.15 | hramrach | nn: it's not like I need a swap partition for anything but uswsusp |
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| 21:14.08 | amphi | hramrach: or one of those tiny usb drives |
| 21:14.32 | jelly-home | bernardo: also, there's a nice #postfix channel |
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| 21:15.23 | hramrach | amphi: now that I think of it I have one of those already, and it't even the right size |
| 21:15.43 | nn | hramrach: Right but the kernel will still use it for swappy stuff unless you adjust the vm.swappiness sysctl ;) |
| 21:15.45 | hramrach | should try how slow the suspend would be |
| 21:16.02 | nn | which would i figure wear your flash out faster |
| 21:16.49 | nn | For example, i forgot to call /etc/init.d/mount-tmpfs on my router and within about a month it killed the thumbdrive :( |
| 21:18.35 | hramrach | didn't expect they still make them that bad :( |
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| 21:20.51 | heyarny | Titan8990: chattr -i file < did the trick |
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| 21:20.59 | Bohemian | hramrach: to have grsecurity |
| 21:21.02 | heyarny | thanks anyway |
| 21:21.18 | LuciusMare | Hi, i just installed a .deb package, but i do not know how to invoke the applications - can i get it from the .deb package? |
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| 21:21.32 | valdyn | LuciusMare: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 21:22.05 | hramrach | grsecurity is likely just the next overrated framework trying to bolt security on top of linux |
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| 21:22.29 | valdyn | its pretty old already |
| 21:23.09 | LuciusMare | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:23.15 | hramrach | but selinux was before it, right? |
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| 21:23.22 | LuciusMare | and, how to list all .debs installed? |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about installed |
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| 21:23.42 | LuciusMare | thanks again |
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| 21:23.53 | valdyn | hramrach: selinux was first i suppose |
| 21:24.14 | mozarell | h |
| 21:24.19 | Bohemian | selinux would be good if users had physical access but i'm not worried about taht |
| 21:24.27 | Bohemian | i'm worried about cyber attacks |
| 21:24.34 | Bohemian | on a web/email server |
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| 21:24.54 | valdyn | Bohemian: just dont have anything .php ;) |
| 21:24.56 | hramrach | don't run one then ;-) |
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| 21:25.09 | Bohemian | not possible |
| 21:25.15 | Bohemian | using drupal6 |
| 21:25.23 | valdyn | you lose |
| 21:25.26 | distatica | Can apt be set to automatically update from one source only, or one package only? |
| 21:25.35 | distatica | Not all system packages, just one program |
| 21:25.38 | valdyn | distatica: apt-get install packagename |
| 21:25.42 | abrotman | distatica: you can just install that single package |
| 21:25.46 | distatica | for an update? |
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| 21:25.51 | abrotman | sure |
| 21:25.52 | valdyn | distatica: yes |
| 21:25.55 | distatica | ok, thanks |
| 21:25.59 | Bohemian | and the site we are hosting is a very sensitive issue |
| 21:26.00 | abrotman | syncs up with valdyn |
| 21:26.08 | hramrach | well, maybe grsecurity is better than nothing in this case but frequent backups are what you want to look into first |
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| 21:27.06 | hramrach | sensitive .. on the web .. you are sitting on a ticking bomb |
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| 21:27.52 | Bohemian | of course, that's part of the security measures we'll take |
| 21:28.01 | Bohemian | we are a website that deals with fatwas... |
| 21:28.24 | hramrach | fatwas? |
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| 21:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | I think you'd want to go up a level from a pre-packaged security script and actually understand and be involved in securing the system. |
| 21:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Did I give you a link to Trinity yesterday? |
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| 21:31.05 | bernardo | for postfix ! i need the accept connectios from another host, |
| 21:31.16 | bernardo | :S |
| 21:32.10 | abrotman | bernardo: did you ask #postfix ? |
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| 21:32.38 | bernardo | i try but |
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| 21:32.56 | hramrach | hmm, I wish there was a system with actual security I could recommend |
| 21:33.08 | bernardo | i can t write :S |
| 21:33.17 | bernardo | please is easy me solution :D |
| 21:33.20 | valdyn | bernardo: maybe irc is the wrong place to ask for support |
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| 21:33.25 | valdyn | bernardo: email is not easy |
| 21:33.41 | bernardo | the email server is now working |
| 21:34.12 | bernardo | only i need is the acept another address ip for acepting conections |
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| 21:35.29 | hramrach | bernardo: I'm sure this option is documented in postfix docs, it's one of the more basic features |
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| 21:36.02 | hramrach | and unlike som other mail servers postfixa actually does have documentation |
| 21:36.03 | bernardo | yes, its easy but, i cant configure |
| 21:36.17 | bernardo | http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces |
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| 21:36.51 | bernardo | in there, is the opcion for net interface locals, but i need add a new ipaddress to listen |
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| 21:37.20 | bernardo | where i need put the ipaddress? the new host ip |
| 21:37.48 | valdyn | bernardo: you mean you want to add another host that is allowed to send mail |
| 21:37.55 | bernardo | yes |
| 21:37.56 | bernardo | :D |
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| 21:38.11 | bernardo | the server is now configure, with domains and all, and works |
| 21:38.12 | valdyn | bernardo: dont you really want to have authentication? |
| 21:38.17 | bernardo | yes, of corse |
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| 21:38.28 | bernardo | o? |
| 21:38.33 | valdyn | bernardo: so look for client authentication in the documentation |
| 21:38.49 | bernardo | is not a problem in client |
| 21:39.05 | bernardo | the server only listen the localhost |
| 21:39.05 | valdyn | bernardo: problem for what then? |
| 21:39.27 | bernardo | the server only allow to send mail from himself |
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| 21:39.31 | bernardo | "localhost" |
| 21:39.32 | valdyn | bernardo: if that isnt covered by simple "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" then youre probably wrong |
| 21:40.00 | bernardo | i meen, the server works, i send mails from php, apache, |
| 21:40.10 | bernardo | with phpclass |
| 21:40.13 | bernardo | and works |
| 21:40.17 | valdyn | bernardo: "netstat -plunt | grep smtpd" gives what? |
| 21:40.54 | bernardo | empty |
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| 21:40.56 | bernardo | valdyn |
| 21:41.07 | valdyn | bernardo: i dont know what the postfix smtp daemon is called |
| 21:41.17 | zleap | postfixd |
| 21:41.27 | valdyn | bernardo: "netstat -plunt | grep postfix" |
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| 21:41.29 | bernardo | :D smptd is not a postfix :D |
| 21:41.43 | zleap | ok |
| 21:41.49 | bernardo | empty too :S |
| 21:41.51 | htk_ | i cant compile fglrx kernel driver with 2.6.30-bpo.1-686, what can i do? |
| 21:41.54 | zleap | i was guessingf at postfix |
| 21:42.02 | valdyn | bernardo: so postfix is not running or you didnt run that command as root |
| 21:42.08 | bernardo | dont :S |
| 21:42.16 | bernardo | look that |
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| 21:43.14 | bernardo | i put that :/etc/init.d# ./postfix status |
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| 21:43.27 | valdyn | bernardo: i specifically asked what i asked..... |
| 21:43.28 | bernardo | and i see * postfix is running |
| 21:43.50 | bernardo | i runing the command in root |
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| 21:44.00 | bernardo | and posftfix is running |
| 21:44.07 | valdyn | bernardo: paste the output |
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| 21:44.16 | bernardo | paste bin? |
| 21:44.22 | bernardo | wait me :D |
| 21:44.22 | valdyn | bernardo: its only one line |
| 21:44.33 | bernardo | what? |
| 21:44.53 | valdyn | bernardo: "netstat -plunt | grep postfix" gives only one line of output if postfix is running |
| 21:44.54 | bernardo | which |
| 21:45.16 | bernardo | empty!! i sure!! |
| 21:45.18 | bernardo | im sure |
| 21:45.26 | bernardo | root@r26505:/etc/init.d# netstat -plunt | grep postfix |
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| 21:45.43 | bernardo | the next line root@r26505:/etc/init.d# |
| 21:45.45 | valdyn | netstat -plunt | grep smtp then |
| 21:45.54 | bernardo | empty too :S |
| 21:46.03 | valdyn | bernardo: that means that postfix is not running. |
| 21:46.11 | bernardo | loock that |
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| 21:46.50 | bernardo | http://pastebin.com/8VXT2C9N |
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| 21:47.22 | valdyn | bernardo: give the whole output of "netstat -plunt" on that paste site |
| 21:48.04 | bernardo | wait me |
| 21:48.08 | bernardo | http://pastebin.com/HyMeM5E1 |
| 21:48.59 | valdyn | bernardo: thats a program called "master", is that postifx? |
| 21:49.27 | valdyn | bernardo: appearantly it is |
| 21:49.32 | bernardo | mmm |
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| 21:49.58 | valdyn | bernardo: "dpkg-reconfigure postfix", configure to *not* do local mail only |
| 21:50.02 | bernardo | no :S |
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| 21:50.09 | bernardo | ok wait me :S |
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| 21:52.27 | bernardo | protocols internet!? ipv4 |
| 21:52.30 | bernardo | dont? |
| 21:52.34 | edwin_quijada | How app can I use to clone an installation running in a server for runnning in another server |
| 21:52.47 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 21:52.54 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 21:52.55 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
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| 21:53.30 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: though you get to transfer configuration by yourself |
| 21:54.29 | edwin_quijada | valdyn: if I can |
| 21:54.38 | edwin_quijada | I want to get run this server in another machine because this server has problem |
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| 21:55.43 | bernardo | valdyn! now is working |
| 21:55.51 | edwin_quijada | and I need to move entire server but I didnt do this conf and installation and this server has a few thing so confused for me |
| 21:55.54 | bernardo | but i need acept only for this ip addres |
| 21:55.55 | bernardo | s |
| 21:56.24 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: if its not a properly maintained debian server then you need to clone the disk |
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| 21:56.47 | edwin_quijada | valdyn: ok, something like that |
| 21:56.52 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb, very simple, just slow |
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| 21:57.08 | edwin_quijada | doenst matter |
| 21:57.15 | edwin_quijada | if works I can wait |
| 21:57.24 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: that works |
| 21:57.48 | edwin_quijada | sdb is the another disk? |
| 21:57.51 | bernardo | you understand me? i need only acept to send mail for ip address 72.232.161.210 |
| 21:58.00 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: however you will get to do some fixing if the new hardware is significantly different |
| 21:58.19 | edwin_quijada | ok |
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| 21:58.37 | tinflu | I seem to have a problem apt-get upgrade'ing grub-pc |
| 21:58.59 | tinflu | apt-get holds when it gets to Setting up grub-pc (1.98-1) |
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| 21:59.36 | hramrach | it's probably just broken (grub-pc) |
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| 21:59.51 | hramrach | tinflu: can you tell where it hangs |
| 22:00.01 | hramrach | use pstree if you have |
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| 22:00.30 | tinflu | maybe this? ââ2*[grub-pc.postinsâââgrub-mkdevicema] |
| 22:00.38 | valdyn | bernardo: you mean you need to act as mail delivery for only 72.232.161.210 for remote mail? |
| 22:01.06 | edwin_quijada | valdyn: using dd this copy will can boot or i fix the grub? |
| 22:01.38 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: it can boot in any case as far as needed to fix things |
| 22:01.54 | valdyn | edwin_quijada: worst case you have to edit grubs boot lines within grub |
| 22:01.57 | hramrach | tinflu: how come you have two of them? or what does 2 mean? |
| 22:02.01 | bernardo | yes!! valdyn |
| 22:02.34 | hramrach | either way the map should have been there from the previous install, you can just kill it I guess |
| 22:02.41 | edwin_quijada | valdyn:thks |
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| 22:04.07 | hramrach | tinflu: perhaps copy the command line and try if the hang is reproducible and what it looks like in strace |
| 22:05.30 | KAM | I'm new to the debian world (as of today) and I'm running lenny. I'm trying to do "apt-get build-dep hurd". |
| 22:05.52 | KAM | but it gives me this "E: Build-Depends dependency for hurd cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libc0.3-dev can satisfy version requirements" |
| 22:06.06 | bernardo | valdyn !! i thinking!! and i need the tcpwrappers for filter the ip address? |
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| 22:07.21 | KAM | and by invoking "apt-get install libc0.3-dev" it said that "libc-dev-bin" replaced it , so i installed it , but the dependency on the "libc0.3-dev" is still required for "hurd" ... |
| 22:07.44 | ePax | I chrooted ssh users and im using quota as well.. quota works fine for users but chrooted users can not see their quota... im getting this error quota: Cannot stat() mounted device /dev/hdb6: No such file or directory |
| 22:07.46 | hramrach | tinflu: also look at #558422 |
| 22:07.56 | KAM | is there anything that i can do to resolve this dependency ? |
| 22:08.00 | bernardo | hello:SS:S::S |
| 22:08.14 | valdyn | bernardo: no you dont need tcp wrappers |
| 22:08.25 | valdyn | bernardo: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 |
| 22:08.33 | bernardo | ok |
| 22:08.44 | valdyn | bernardo: 1.1.1.1/32 is just one host with that ip |
| 22:08.49 | bernardo | annd the ip 72.232.161.210 ? |
| 22:08.58 | valdyn | 72.232.161.210/32 |
| 22:09.01 | bernardo | ok :S |
| 22:09.03 | tinflu | hramrach: i only see Setting up grub-pc (1.98-1) ... can you explain how to do so? |
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| 22:10.05 | bernardo | ok thanks |
| 22:10.26 | hramrach | tinflu: look at bug #558422 which is about this exact issue and has some possible workarounds |
| 22:10.27 | adb | KAM, where you get 'hurd' package in lenny or else |
| 22:10.29 | adb | ? |
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| 22:10.48 | hramrach | adb: you install the hurd port |
| 22:11.00 | adb | as ? |
| 22:11.05 | tinflu | hramrach: yes but on that bug there is further output from apt-get. mine just hangs there |
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| 22:11.36 | hramrach | adb: that is, like Debian/linux and Debian/kfreebsd there is debian/hurd |
| 22:11.45 | tinflu | hmm my mistake he just hit ctrl+c :) |
| 22:12.01 | KAM | adb: "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main" , i get the source code from here as stated in the hurd FAQs . |
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| 22:12.34 | adb | KAM, install crosshurd |
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| 22:13.00 | adb | apt-cache show crosshurd |
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| 22:13.47 | tinflu | hramrach: how can I temporarily exclude grub-pc from being updated? i need to install something else |
| 22:14.15 | hramrach | tinflu: since you already have it broken there is no point now |
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| 22:14.32 | hramrach | but you can install away, there should be no problem |
| 22:15.28 | tinflu | hramrach: what is irqpoll anyway? |
| 22:15.30 | hramrach | also try looking at the workarounds there like not loading IDE drivers |
| 22:15.54 | KAM | adb: ok , i did installed it , then what ? |
| 22:16.03 | adb | use it ? |
| 22:16.21 | hramrach | tinflu: irqpoll is a kernel option to diagnose/mitigate some irq issues. |
| 22:16.44 | tinflu | is it this option? CONFIG_EPOLL=y |
| 22:17.11 | hramrach | no, it's one you put on the command line, it's not enabled by default |
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| 22:17.33 | tinflu | so where do i remove it from? |
| 22:17.54 | hramrach | nowhere since you did not enable it to start with |
| 22:18.17 | hramrach | but you can look at awaht device it locks up and possibly remove the driver for the device |
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| 22:19.35 | tinflu | hramrach: where can I see that? |
| 22:19.46 | hramrach | tinflu can you paste the output of |
| 22:19.48 | KAM | adb: oh , ok :-) many thanks. |
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| 22:20.13 | adb | yw |
| 22:20.13 | hramrach | strace grub-mkdevicemap -m /tmp/devicemap |
| 22:20.27 | hramrach | somewhere? |
| 22:20.48 | tinflu | hmm i think i get it now |
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| 22:20.58 | tinflu | it's a diskonkey usb device. let me see |
| 22:21.51 | tinflu | hramrach: no it's not but the last 3 lines are these: |
| 22:21.53 | tinflu | stat("/dev/.devfsd", 0x7fffeb0277a0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 22:21.53 | tinflu | open("/dev/hda", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 22:21.54 | tinflu | open("/dev/hdb", O_RDONLY |
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| 22:22.08 | tinflu | that's it. |
| 22:22.24 | hramrach | and hdb is? |
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| 22:23.07 | moocow | hey guys. |
| 22:23.42 | moocow | does anyone know how to force ntpdc to update the local time from the cli? man page options seem to indicate this can only query the status not force ntpd to update time |
| 22:23.50 | tinflu | hramrach: nothing ? |
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| 22:24.18 | tinflu | it's actually a cdrom but i don't have any inserted |
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| 22:24.54 | hramrach | then try inserting a CD or removing the IDE driver if possible |
| 22:25.47 | hramrach | which it likely is not because Debian still uses the old IDE stack which sucks in multiple ways one of them being the drivers cannot be removed |
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| 22:27.57 | tinflu | hramrach: that didn't work |
| 22:28.12 | hramrach | what didnt? |
| 22:28.20 | tinflu | inserting a cdrom |
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| 22:28.34 | tinflu | i also tried commenting the line in fstab |
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| 22:28.55 | hramrach | and killing and restarting the -grub-mkdevicemap? |
| 22:29.10 | tinflu | no i just did apt-get upgrade again |
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| 22:29.30 | hramrach | that's about the same |
| 22:29.52 | hramrach | can you unload ide-cd and cdrom? |
| 22:30.28 | tinflu | i only have ide_cd_mod |
| 22:30.32 | tinflu | and ide_core |
| 22:30.44 | tinflu | i guess it's build into the kernel |
| 22:31.00 | moocow | nm |
| 22:31.24 | hramrach | that should be it ide-cd-mod |
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| 22:33.44 | tinflu | i tried mounting /dev/hdb and it hangs now. cant kill it |
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| 22:33.53 | tinflu | so i cant unload ide_cd_mod |
| 22:34.51 | hramrach | hmm, your system is somewhat broken |
| 22:35.09 | hramrach | what driver does the IDE port use? |
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| 22:35.48 | tinflu | i don't know |
| 22:37.12 | hramrach | doesn't your dmesg/lspci tell you? |
| 22:38.02 | tinflu | 03:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 22:38.13 | tinflu | same for sata controller |
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| 22:40.57 | n-iCe | Hi, I'm installing Debian using netbooting, but when Debian starts from my USB it asks for the CD, why is it doing that? how can I avoid it? |
| 22:41.13 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: did you boot the cd on the usb key properly? |
| 22:41.32 | pipeline | I have libdvdcss2, libdvdread etc. I'd like to copy all of my DVDs to simple image files on disk. How the heck do I do that? most tools seem to want to transcode them or otherwise re-compress, and I'm not interested in that. |
| 22:42.02 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: mplayer -dumpstream |
| 22:42.07 | n-iCe | dondelelcaro: with boot you mean "burn" it to the usb? well netbootin said all was ok |
| 22:42.21 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: no, I mean put it on the usb device. |
| 22:42.28 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: the install guide covers this fairly clearly |
| 22:42.40 | n-iCe | Well yes, that's what unetbootin does |
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| 22:43.18 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: if you've done that, and you're using the hdmedia boot image, it will look for the cdrom and hopefully find it. You can examine its attempts on console 4 |
| 22:43.31 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I actually found the correct answer |
| 22:43.32 | Sebby | <Sebby> hello, i`m using a computer whit Debian installed as a gateway and i used this tutorial`s iptables script http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 , i have a PROBLEM : from my Windows XP desktop i can`t reach manny sites (shows Loading .. then nothing) i wonna know what`s wrong |
| 22:43.32 | Sebby | <Sebby> and 2nd thing i wonna set my gateway to automaticly send the intenet settings to my desktop (ip ..gateway,mask,dns servers) |
| 22:43.49 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: as it turns out, css only scrambles the video, not the dvd itself. So dd will work, you just need a CSS-capable setup for playback. |
| 22:44.16 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: yes... |
| 22:44.34 | n-iCe | dondelelcaro: well I did boot, but asks for the CD |
| 22:44.56 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: it will boot, but if you haven't properly put the cd on the usb device, or aren't using the proper version of the installer, it won't succeed. |
| 22:45.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell n-iCe -about ig |
| 22:45.13 | dondelelcaro | the install guide covers this quite well |
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| 22:45.37 | chewbranca | anyone know how to get around corrupted mac address on input errors? trying to copy a 2 gig file between two machines, both scp and rsync blow up |
| 22:46.10 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: blow up how? |
| 22:46.27 | chewbranca | with corrupted mac on input |
| 22:46.58 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: uh... scp and rsync don't care about the mac address |
| 22:47.12 | chewbranca | ssh does though |
| 22:47.17 | dondelelcaro | no, it doesn't |
| 22:47.21 | chewbranca | yes, it does |
| 22:47.29 | dondelelcaro | neither of those programs have anything to do with the actual physical transport layer |
| 22:47.34 | chewbranca | if it something gets corrupted along the way or changes it blows up with that error |
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| 22:49.08 | dondelelcaro | if something gets corrupted, it gets resent; its only if you have types of corruption which also break TCP's transport guarantees that you'd see something like that |
| 22:49.25 | dondelelcaro | and honestly, if you're seeing that, you need to fix the hardware in between |
| 22:51.22 | nvz | how do binaries normally go about finding shared objects? I am trying to ready something to be compiled, that came with all shared objects in the current directory, when they all exist on my system already in their normal locations.. and yet it doesn't see them |
| 22:51.33 | nvz | erm ready it to be packaged rather |
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| 22:51.46 | nvz | does this mean I need to recompile it from source? |
| 22:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | chewbranca: Why do you think there's a "corrupted mac"? Can you pastebin the actuall error? |
| 22:52.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: depends on how it was linked |
| 22:52.29 | chewbranca | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471849 |
| 22:52.50 | chewbranca | found something interesting there, "The frequency is considerably higher for ssh since ssh checks every packet." |
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| 22:53.07 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its all dynamically linked.. but is that relative to where they were at compile time? |
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| 22:54.13 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: yes... if you're seeing it for ssh, you're going to see corruption everywhere |
| 22:54.20 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: ssh just happens to check for it |
| 22:54.43 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not if its linked properly; you can certainly link using rpath, though |
| 22:55.35 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ah, I guess I'd be better off compiling this from source on a debian system then.. cause I can tell by the use the shell script to start this program it was compiled by an idiot :-P |
| 22:55.42 | nvz | this shell script is hilarious |
| 22:55.43 | chewbranca | dondelelcaro, well this is a live server with plenty of connections, that is only hitting this on large ssh based file transfers, this is an older server so there is a good chance it could be hardware, but I'm trying to migrate to a new server, which is why I'm copying over the files |
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| 22:56.17 | chewbranca | can't really mess with hardware or recompile network drivers, because its a) a live site, and b) off at a datacenter |
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| 22:57.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: one other question you would probably know about.. it depends on libsqlite3.so which is in libsqlite3-dev, is that allowed/sane for a binary app to depend on a deb package or is it likely it should be linked against say libsqlite3.so.0 from libsqlite3-0? |
| 22:57.58 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: well, you can use rsync and have it retry on such cases |
| 22:58.05 | nvz | dondelelcaro: on a -dev package rather |
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| 22:58.44 | chewbranca | dondelelcaro, cool I'll give that a shot |
| 22:58.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it should actually be linking against libsqlite3.so.0 and have a dependency on libsqlite3-0 |
| 22:59.07 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: you'll have to retry manually of course (because rsync will fail), but using the --partial option will do what you want |
| 22:59.18 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thats what I thought. I made a note of that in my dependencies list.. seems I am going to have to recompile this from source.. it was built wrong.. |
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| 22:59.21 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: you also may have some luck turning down the MTU quite a bit, as that may catch the corruptoin at the TCP level |
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| 23:00.00 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: or alternatively, you could have hardware issues on whatever hardware you're sending to, too.. |
| 23:00.09 | slb_ | for creating another local domain in my zone file do i just use the nameserver i created and just make my new domain have just a cname? |
| 23:00.24 | chewbranca | dondelelcaro, ok I'll look into that, this doesn't need to be fast and it doesn't need to be done more than a few times, so if I have to hand massage it into working then that's fine |
| 23:00.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you can go straight from source to a binary package in debian somehow, right? without making two steps of it? |
| 23:00.33 | chewbranca | dondelelcaro, I hope not, this is a brand new server |
| 23:00.41 | dondelelcaro | chewbranca: well, you've got to test it... |
| 23:00.51 | dondelelcaro | wouldn't be the first time that I've seen brand new hardware show up totally broken |
| 23:00.55 | nvz | needs to go read on debian.org/devel a bit |
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| 23:01.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: dpkg-buildpackage operates on dsc files, which is how you do it. |
| 23:01.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and there are debuild and similar which operate from unpacked source trees as well |
| 23:01.52 | dondelelcaro | (though honestly, you should really be using pbuilder and cowbuilder or similar) |
| 23:02.09 | nvz | dondelelcaro: alright then. I'm gonna go search around for some good documentation on the subject.. unless you know of some to point me at. |
| 23:02.09 | chewbranca | dondelelcaro, yeah true, I'll run some tests on it to see, I've got a feeling its the older box, somewhat out of my hands, I didn't put the server together, just setting it up |
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| 23:02.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the nm guide covers it to start with; the rest is in the manpages of those packages. |
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| 23:04.23 | nvz | dondelelcaro: alright. I've read through the nm guide once before but never soaked it all in. I'll have to give it another look over. I'd like to learn the process and start helping out.. right now I'm working on trying to at least package this "flock-browser" (http://www.flock.com/) for lenny on i386 and amd64 as all they have for linux so far is a i686 binary that seems to be done all wrong. It works, but it looks like an idiot made it.. heh |
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| 23:06.03 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thanks for the pointers. I should be able to get this rolling. ;) |
| 23:06.44 | nvz | if I don't have two packages ready for people to test in like a day or two I'm f'n slacking.. |
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| 23:08.24 | slb_ | heey karlpinc do u remember my question before about my domain? what should i be adding to my new zone file and shoudl my nameserver be the same as what it is now? |
| 23:10.20 | Sebby | i`m using a computer whit Debian installed as a gateway and i used this tutorial`s iptables script http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 , i have a PROBLEM : from my Windows XP desktop i can`t reach some sites (manny) (browser shows Loading .. then nothing) i wonna know what`s wrong and how can i fix this |
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| 23:12.10 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: the centOS link? |
| 23:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | No, the Trinity project is a set of scripts and instructions that explain how to harden a system. |
| 23:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:15.49 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 23:16.00 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: where are all my kernels kept so i can delete the custom ones that didn't work? |
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| 23:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Wherever you put them, which is usually /boot |
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| 23:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: In debian you usually build a package so that they can be managed by the apt system. |
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| 23:17.29 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: i would, but grsec is super old |
| 23:17.33 | Bohemian | in aptitude |
| 23:19.26 | lindi- | Bohemian: you can create your own package |
| 23:19.35 | Bohemian | with dkpg? |
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| 23:21.45 | lindi- | Bohemian: tar xzvf foo-1.23.tar.gz && cd foo-1.23 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i ../foo*.deb works for 80% of simple cases :) |
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| 23:35.17 | pav5088 | Hi... what's the state of the open sourcing of Java in Debian? I've been looking at a Java application for some time, but I've never liked its non-free dependency on Java. Has this gone away in Squeeze? |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | pav5088: which java app ? |
| 23:36.56 | wedge | pav5088: you can always install free alternatives |
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| 23:37.22 | pav5088 | abrotman, Adempiere... it isn't packaged for Debian (which isn't a problem), but it required the sun jre in the past which has been an issue. |
| 23:38.24 | abrotman | pav5088: uhm, we can't tell you if it requires sun java or can use openjdk then .. there have been apps in the past that have actually hardcoded a search for the java version to be sun and died otherwise |
| 23:38.49 | ePax | I can not get clear command to work in chrooted shell... /usr/bin/clear and clear_console exist but im getting this error clear |
| 23:38.49 | ePax | 'xterm': unknown terminal type. |
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| 23:45.40 | pav5088 | sun-java6 is the version to install, unless you are using the ajax interface in which case you can even use openjdk. |
| 23:45.41 | pav5088 | Add contrib non-free repositories. |
| 23:45.41 | pav5088 | Install sun-java6-jdk and its dependencies: |
| 23:45.41 | pav5088 | # apt-get install sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-fonts sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
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| 23:46.13 | llimeht | dpkg: tell pav5088 about paste |
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| 23:47.04 | pav5088 | It seems that Adempiere "can't use openjdk as it suffers reliability issues" whatever that means. |
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| 23:48.16 | llimeht | pav5088: there's not much that fails with openjdk these days. Just a few Sun proprietary security extensions and the occasional performance issue. |
| 23:48.53 | lindi- | applets are in a bad shape |
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