| 00:00.13 | mezood | abrotman: how do i see sources.list |
| 00:00.31 | earthian | mezod, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:00.32 | mezood | cant find it in the log sorry |
| 00:00.38 | mezood | tq |
| 00:00.58 | Texou | I've a problem: I used pidgin 2.6.5 backports, it worked. Now 2.6.6 doesn't work. Do you know how can I have the 2.6.5 deb package? former backports in fact? |
| 00:01.58 | mezood | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/NSfCrqzn |
| 00:02.03 | abrotman | mezood: you probalby just have to add non-free stuff, and install the firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:02.07 | adb | Texou, lenny-backports: 2.6.6 |
| 00:02.27 | Texou | adb: it's my problem, I'd like 2.6.5 ... 2.6.6 is bugged |
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| 00:02.35 | abrotman | mezood: all those lines should end "main contrib non-free" .. do that .. then 'aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi' |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | Texou: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 00:02.47 | mezood | any tut i should follow? |
| 00:02.49 | mezood | ok |
| 00:03.33 | adb | Texou, reinstall it , maybe it is still in your /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:03.41 | Texou | abrotman: it has a lot of problem to run (doesn't start easily), then it go background without I want... well it has strange behavior |
| 00:03.58 | Texou | adb: it's not unfortunately :( |
| 00:03.59 | dutchfish | earthian: are sure smartmon is compatible with a megaraid controller? i think not |
| 00:04.06 | earthian | yeah |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | Texou: you're going to have to be more descriptive |
| 00:04.24 | Texou | abrotman: ok |
| 00:04.47 | earthian | dutchfish, i just hope the smartmon developer would have not made the program cause my server go down now... no service is working, but ping is ok :S |
| 00:05.03 | dutchfish | earthian: you normally You can get physical disk information with compatible megaraid |
| 00:05.08 | mezood | abrotman: like this? http://pastebin.com/1QPLppPK |
| 00:05.19 | dutchfish | earthian monitoring software |
| 00:05.20 | abrotman | mezood: looks fine |
| 00:05.25 | pmo | \amethyst, sounds.. i really have a PSU issue with my core i3.. |
| 00:05.53 | pmo | \amethyst, i found a very interesting article about it, if you want to see it, i post it for you ? |
| 00:06.31 | earthian | anyway... i am off now to reset the server.. |
| 00:06.58 | dutchfish | earthian: x thumbs |
| 00:07.07 | mezood | abrotman: i did both commands |
| 00:07.10 | earthian | :) |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | mezood: and ? |
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| 00:07.46 | mezood | abrotman: so it should work now or do i need to do anything else? |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | Texou: are we getting a better description ? |
| 00:07.53 | abrotman | mezood: reboot, should work |
| 00:08.03 | Texou | I'm re-installing 6.6 |
| 00:08.22 | Texou | I try to get messages too |
| 00:09.01 | mezood | abrotman: ok i cant test it here, ill see if it works tomorrow on the library's wifi...to connect to that wifi i normally have to enter a page on firefox and authenticate myself, should be the same way here? |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | mezood: you can still see if it's working |
| 00:09.31 | mezood | ok, then i reboot |
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| 00:09.39 | mezood | brb |
| 00:10.20 | Titan8990 | robbles: I apologize... I aparently did not look at your problem close enough. I was under the understanding that dependency didn't exist. |
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| 00:10.50 | robbles | Titan8990: no problemo |
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| 00:11.50 | mezod | abrotman i have now 2 debians on grub and i entered one and says the graphic interface is broken :S |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | mezod: but it worked 10 minutes ago ? |
| 00:12.31 | abrotman | mezod: what is your GUI ? |
| 00:12.31 | Titan8990 | mezod: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:12.57 | mezod | well i was inside when i rebooted seems something is wrong |
| 00:13.00 | mezod | gnome? |
| 00:13.22 | mezod | im not on any shell, its a blue screen error |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | asking you what ? |
| 00:14.35 | mezod | "x server cant be initialized, its possible its not configured, do you want to see the x-server to diagnoze the problem?" |
| 00:14.45 | mezod | something like that |
| 00:15.15 | mezod | and [y] [n] |
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| 00:15.24 | Texou | abrotman: when I run it in console, it displays: "pidgin 2.6.6 bugged and tried to create a core file. This is a software problem and not due to a wrong usage from you. If you can reproduce this, inform..." |
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| 00:15.48 | abrotman | mezod: say no .. go to the console |
| 00:16.12 | mezod | i'm there |
| 00:16.33 | abrotman | mezod: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm .. is it going to install anything ? |
| 00:16.47 | Texou | in a terminal |
| 00:17.37 | mezod | E: unable to lock the administration directory (/bar/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 00:17.58 | mezod | i am! |
| 00:18.27 | mezod | (is it possible i clicked on the wrong debian in the grub? i dont know why but there were two choices no (apart from both singleuser modes) |
| 00:19.10 | Texou | abrotman: thats why I look for 2.6.5 backport or a 2.6.5 which works |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | !tell Texou about sdn |
| 00:19.21 | karlpinc | mezod: That means there's another process locking the database. Something is running some sort of apt somewhere. |
| 00:19.27 | Texou | I loo |
| 00:19.40 | mezod | karlpinc i just rebooted |
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| 00:21.01 | SPF | what is wrong here? sudo mount -o uid=spf,gid=users /dev/sdg2 /mnt |
| 00:21.30 | SPF | [51202.339835] EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
| 00:22.30 | Texou | abrotman: thanks very much it's exactly that! :D great! |
| 00:22.49 | themill | SPF: what are the uid and gid options supposed to be doing for you? |
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| 00:23.41 | SPF | themill: giving me write access, altough I usually use these options on fat systems (pen drives) |
| 00:24.09 | themill | SPF: ext3 actually understand groups and permissions (unlike fat) so these options don't exist |
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| 00:26.05 | hayleyw | sounds like you probably just need to chown /mnt |
| 00:26.25 | mezod | abrotman karlpinc what should i do? :S |
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| 00:26.56 | abrotman | mezod: i thought i said ? |
| 00:27.21 | mezod | [01:16:32] abrotman )) mezod: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm .. is it going to install anything ? <-- this? |
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| 00:27.27 | SPF | hayleyw: no, that doesn't solve the problem |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:27.38 | mezod | i answered this: [01:17:35] mezod )) E: unable to lock the administration directory (/bar/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 00:27.42 | SPF | themill: if I use mount without options, the device is mounted as root |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | mezod: are you? |
| 00:28.04 | mezod | yes |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | mezod: so the prompt is a # or $ ? |
| 00:28.23 | mezod | $ |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | that's not root ... use 'su' .. become root .. then try that command agian |
| 00:28.59 | mezod | hmm ok sorry |
| 00:30.28 | SPF | hmm, it might be the permissions on the drive itself that are root |
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| 00:37.03 | mezod | abrotman done |
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| 00:37.23 | mezod | shall i reboot? |
| 00:37.38 | dbbolton | where does module assistant save log files |
| 00:38.32 | hideo | dbbolton: /var/cache/modass |
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| 00:40.21 | dbbolton | i am trying to build the nvidia driver: http://paste.debian.net/63997/ |
| 00:40.35 | dbbolton | i don't see why it is failing |
| 00:40.57 | mezod | should i reboot after using "aptitude install gnome xorg gdm" ? |
| 00:41.11 | dbbolton | mezod, unnecessary |
| 00:41.28 | mezod | then how do i load the gui? |
| 00:42.36 | simonrvn | you'll see |
| 00:42.57 | simonrvn | mezod: on *nix, the gui runs on top of the rest of the os |
| 00:43.51 | mezod | ahmm i'm in a console, don't really know what to do :p |
| 00:44.05 | dbbolton | mezod, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 00:44.38 | mezod | it says its already running :S |
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| 00:44.47 | dbbolton | then restart |
| 00:44.47 | simonrvn | alt-f7 |
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| 00:45.07 | fastputty1 | hello, all my email send to hotmail and other email service is falling into the junk box. I heard they got some policy about it. Anyone know how to make my domain legit> please point me to the right direction thanks |
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| 00:45.51 | simonrvn | fastputty1: look into SPF and DKIM |
| 00:46.17 | GodfatherofEire | Is there any way of preventing specific programs from running without running on a specific kernel? (E.g. media editing programs will only run if the linux-rt kernel is running, and backtrack tools will only run if the bt kernel is running?) |
| 00:46.30 | mezod | i get to the same point :| |
| 00:46.44 | fastputty1 | fastputty1: i have set up the SPF but not the DKIM. i am using zoneedit. does they allow me to do it? |
| 00:46.56 | fastputty1 | simonrvn: |
| 00:47.14 | fastputty1 | well i will take a look at it thanksyou |
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| 00:48.33 | mezod | it brings me again to the blue screen error page with "x server cant be initialized, its possible its not configured, do you want to see the x-server to diagnoze the problem?" |
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| 00:53.02 | abrotman | mezod: look at the error |
| 00:53.26 | mezod | i dont know how to configure that |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | it just wants to show you the error |
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| 00:55.57 | mezod | abrotman "(EE) Failed to load the module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 00:56.12 | mezod | (EE) No drivers available |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | thats the last line? |
| 00:56.23 | mezod | Fatal server error: |
| 00:56.26 | mezod | no screens found |
| 00:56.31 | mezod | ------- |
| 00:56.35 | mezod | that's the last one |
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| 00:57.17 | abrotman | and you did the aptitude install xorg ? |
| 00:57.25 | mezod | yes |
| 00:57.31 | mezod | and it worked (in theory) |
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| 01:01.02 | mezod | abrotman i did it again and i get the same error |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | mezod: dpkg -l | grep nv |
| 01:02.37 | mezod | long list |
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| 01:03.39 | mezod | what am i searching for? |
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| 01:07.33 | zimba12 | anyone using debian on Lemote fuloong 6004? |
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| 01:12.35 | jvm_ | hi. i installed ejabberd on my new server, thought i'd copy /etc/ejabberd and /var/lib/ejabberd from the old server and everything might work; it didn't - ejabberd crashed at startup. so i figured i remove /etc/ejabberd, /var/lib/ejabberd, apt-get remove and apt-get install ejabberd to set up a new installation. problem is: apt-get install now fails with an error, http://pastebin.com/36GUa5KA |
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| 01:13.31 | jvm_ | any idea on how to fix this? |
| 01:15.39 | Bushmills | jvm_: dpkg -P ejabberd or aptitude purge ejabberd, then reinstall |
| 01:15.44 | mezod | abrotman well i dont know what to do |
| 01:15.57 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | mezod: dpkg -l | grep video | grep nv |
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| 01:16.25 | jvm_ | thanks a lot Bushmills. |
| 01:16.28 | mezod | 0 matches |
| 01:16.30 | Bushmills | np |
| 01:17.06 | adb | !tell jvm_ -about confmiss |
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| 01:17.47 | Bushmills | importing old ejabberd config i found problematic here too |
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| 01:18.19 | mezod | abrotman do you know what that module is? |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 01:18.53 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-nv -- etch: 1:2.0.3-1; lenny: 1:2.1.10-1; squeeze: 1:2.1.15-1; sid: 1:2.1.17-1 |
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| 01:18.59 | abrotman | mezod: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 01:21.14 | mezod | i'm rebooting |
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| 01:22.06 | mezod | abrotman works now, thanks =) |
| 01:22.14 | mezod | how can i check the wifi is working? |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | mezod: now .. aptitude install xorg .. should have installed that for you |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | mezod: use 'dmesg' to look through the boot logs |
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| 01:23.08 | mezod | i dont know why didnt it install it, i did what u said |
| 01:25.21 | mezod | abrotman "firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode" |
| 01:25.32 | mezod | the only things that sounds to wifi |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | does it say it couldn't find it ? |
| 01:26.10 | mezod | no |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | sounds good .. now you'll just have to figure out how to configure it tomorrow |
| 01:26.31 | mezod | it continues with "registered led device: iwl-phy0:radio" |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
| 01:26.56 | mezod | ok |
| 01:27.04 | mezod | do you know of any tutorial to configure it? |
| 01:28.01 | mezod | i mean, i have to test it on the library wifi and i wont have this pc there, neither internet connection :S |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | if you're using gnome .. yo uprobably have network-manager installed, you can try to use that to configure it |
| 01:30.20 | mezod | but from now on i wont need the internet anymore on the laptop, isnt it? |
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| 01:31.27 | abrotman | mezod: security updates |
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| 01:32.27 | mezod | i mean to get to the wifi |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | mezod: i know nothing about the wifi at your library ... |
| 01:33.35 | nervousTwitch | i have no wirless light. lived with it for years but i would like to know if there is a way to turn that light on. no issues with connectivity |
| 01:33.46 | mezod | in windows i just have to open the firefox and login to the only page that loads |
| 01:33.58 | mezod | i was just wondering if it should work = here |
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| 01:34.28 | mezod | because i wont be able to dowload anything else there |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | mezod: make sure you have a browser installed |
| 01:36.01 | mezod | iceweasel? :p |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | just make sure it's installed |
| 01:36.16 | FoxM | Hi. i am following the /msg dpkg instructions for 'nvidia squeeze' and I got to the module build (m-a a-i nvidia) but there are some errors and I can't view the log. Is there any other place where it is stored? |
| 01:36.21 | mezod | yeah i used it there |
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| 01:40.32 | mezod | abrotman well, thank you for your time and patience |
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| 01:41.22 | abrotman | mezod: good luck tomorrow |
| 01:41.26 | TiMiDo | lol |
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| 02:04.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:04.14 | dpkg | <themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group? <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you. |
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| 02:15.37 | robbe- | Is it possible in gnome to tab between windows on just 1 screen on a multi monitor setup? (without sacrificing the possibility to drag windows from one monitor to the other). I took a look at the keyboard shortcuts settings but I can't find anything there. |
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| 02:23.37 | matu | it is not clear, please can anyone tell me how to install debian from usb stick ? |
| 02:24.22 | hayleyw | !usb install |
| 02:24.23 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:24.23 | matu | it does not want to mount my system installation cd anymore :( |
| 02:24.47 | matu | !usb install debian |
| 02:24.56 | matu | !usb install debian schnell ! |
| 02:25.21 | jpinx-eeepc | matu: what is your specific trouble? |
| 02:25.37 | matu | i just want to get an iso image i can dd to my usb stick |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | matu: did you read that section in the installation manual |
| 02:25.47 | matu | dont want to read manuel pages i already did it from cd rom ! |
| 02:25.50 | hayleyw | of course not |
| 02:25.56 | hideo | haha |
| 02:26.04 | matu | i know how to install debian i just want an usb iso i can dd |
| 02:26.20 | hayleyw | matu, if you read the link i gave you, you'd know how to do it |
| 02:26.23 | matu | dont want to spend my time reading any papers |
| 02:26.37 | hayleyw | matu, then go play with yourself and stop wasting our time |
| 02:26.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !install debian |
| 02:26.38 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 02:26.53 | matu | what a waste of time |
| 02:26.59 | hideo | you're a waste of time |
| 02:27.07 | jpinx-eeepc | matu - read the links - the iso is in there |
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| 02:27.30 | tsccof | what package can I download for properly extracting files from .rar files? |
| 02:27.34 | matu | yes right hideo lol |
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| 02:27.37 | tsccof | unrar-free failed for some reason |
| 02:28.28 | hideo | tsccof: maybe try rar |
| 02:28.44 | matu | dont care dont care and still dont care |
| 02:29.22 | hideo | oh yeah, watch us caring about your problem... |
| 02:29.28 | matu | jaja |
| 02:29.53 | matu | just asked for an iso i can dd to my disk |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | matu: do you need debian help or not? |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | matu: we told you to read the instructions .. |
| 02:31.25 | matu | !install debian |
| 02:31.26 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 02:32.32 | tsccof | netinst is the way to go, I would say |
| 02:32.34 | tsccof | for advanced users |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | he should read the instructions he was pointed at |
| 02:33.55 | matu | the thing you dont understand is i just asked for a iso i can dd |
| 02:34.18 | abrotman | <matu> it is not clear, please can anyone tell me how to install debian from usb stick ? |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | that's what you asked |
| 02:34.29 | matu | after... |
| 02:34.34 | dvs | dding an iso to a usb stick won't work |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | that was the first thing you said after you joined |
| 02:35.14 | hideo | dvs: stop trying to spoonfeed him ;) |
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| 02:35.42 | dvs | hideo: but i have too many spoons! ;-) |
| 02:36.09 | boxxertrumps | i only have a spork |
| 02:36.34 | boxxertrumps | i was planning on sharpening one of the edges for the ultimate multiutensil |
| 02:36.36 | hideo | oh greath, now it's become a competition |
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| 02:39.06 | boxxertrumps | so |
| 02:39.13 | boxxertrumps | about that generic sports team |
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| 02:42.02 | peterrooney | boxxertrumps: not as good as $LC_SPORTS_TEAM |
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| 02:44.33 | enyawix | debian tool to automate the kernel building process? |
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| 02:44.53 | dvs | enyawix: kernel-package |
| 02:45.08 | enyawix | ok will google kernel-package |
| 02:45.24 | dvs | enyawix: why? aptitude install kernel-package |
| 02:45.57 | enyawix | dvs i still need to know how to use it |
| 02:46.18 | dvs | enyawix: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/Debian.README |
| 02:46.20 | enyawix | tty not to bother you |
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| 02:49.14 | enyawix | dvs that will not do what i want :( |
| 02:49.23 | enyawix | thanks anyway |
| 02:49.31 | dvs | np |
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| 02:52.58 | tsccof | rar is still not working |
| 02:53.14 | tsccof | I have installed xarchive, xarchiver, unp, unrar-free and rar-2.80 |
| 02:53.26 | tsccof | it should be okay, right? |
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| 02:56.21 | boxxertrumps | what are you trying to unarchive? |
| 02:56.38 | tsccof | a .rar file |
| 02:57.01 | boxxertrumps | any GUI? |
| 02:57.09 | tsccof | Archive Manager and Xarchiver |
| 02:57.16 | tsccof | but I can do CLI as well |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | tsccof: file foo.rar |
| 02:57.58 | tsccof | Extracting Setup.exe Failed |
| 02:58.23 | tsccof | Setup.rar: RAR archive data, v1d, flags: Solid, os: Win32 |
| 02:59.19 | boxxertrumps | unrar e -r -kb ./rar.rar |
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| 02:59.53 | tsccof | Failed |
| 02:59.57 | wols_ | tsccof: there is currently no way to unarchive a version 3.5 or so rar under linux afaik |
| 03:00.28 | wols_ | either check rarlabs.com for a newer linux binary, or use FreeDOS plus rar for DOS, or run it all under WINE |
| 03:00.53 | tsccof | wols_: there are ways, I did that on Fedora 10/11/13 and Slackware 12.1/13 |
| 03:01.13 | wols_ | then good luck |
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| 03:13.29 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 03:16.17 | frikinz | sleeping. yes that's a good idea. Good night all |
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| 03:21.22 | tsccof | does anyone know 'gh0st'? |
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| 03:24.18 | simonrvn | !seen gh0st |
| 03:24.18 | dpkg | gh0st <~ghost@78.90.113.108> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 33m 6s ago, saying: 'on what line is a boot of kernel'. |
| 03:24.27 | simonrvn | tsccof: ^^^ |
| 03:24.56 | tsccof | cheers mate |
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| 03:25.18 | boxxertrumps | hmmmm |
| 03:25.25 | boxxertrumps | !seen twey |
| 03:25.25 | dpkg | boxxertrumps: i haven't seen 'twey' |
| 03:25.32 | boxxertrumps | !seen tw3y |
| 03:25.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'tw3y', boxxertrumps |
| 03:25.39 | boxxertrumps | awww. |
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| 03:26.26 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 03:58.04 | neofutur | hi all, I try to install paxtest on debian |
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| 03:58.24 | neofutur | apt-cache search pax find : pax-utils paxctl and chpax |
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| 03:58.36 | neofutur | but cant find http://packages.debian.org/source/stable/paxtest |
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| 03:58.57 | neofutur | ( /etc/debian_version == 5.0.4 ) |
| 03:58.59 | codrus | how do i clear all the install/uninstall choices i've selected in aptitude, in order to start over? |
| 03:59.10 | asarch | Which package do I need to saved flash videos in Totem? |
| 03:59.58 | asarch | I mean, to play saved flash videos... |
| 04:00.01 | asarch | :-P |
| 04:00.18 | asarch | I only get: "Internal data stream error." |
| 04:00.31 | asarch | Every time I want |
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| 04:04.12 | neofutur | hum probably debian dont provide any 64 bit version of paxtest . . . I ll have to build it myself or use another distro |
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| 04:05.45 | hayleyw | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=paxtest |
| 04:06.07 | hayleyw | yep. looks like you'll need to apt-get source -b paxtest |
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| 04:06.32 | hayleyw | does pax itself support 64-bit? |
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| 04:08.48 | k\t | i'm on pure64 and having trouble compiling some programs. i hear that ia32libs adds 32bit support for 64 bit systems. is there something else i should try ? |
| 04:10.01 | hayleyw | k\t there are several 32-bit lib packages in debian 64-bit. apt-cache search ia32 ...but you should dpaste your error if you want specific help |
| 04:10.03 | Texou | re :) |
| 04:10.04 | Wyzard | k\t: Unless you're compiling for IA-32, you shouldn't need 32-bit libraries |
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| 04:10.41 | k\t | alright... |
| 04:10.48 | mmlj4 | how do I LART crontab to use vi instead of nano? |
| 04:11.17 | Texou | does someone managed to make a usb micro work on Debian? F have an ak15370. Thanks |
| 04:11.34 | Wyzard | mmlj4: If you have $EDITOR set, it'll probably honor that |
| 04:11.38 | hayleyw | !editor |
| 04:11.38 | dpkg | i heard editor is something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. <vi> and <emacs> (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find <nano>, <gedit>, <nedit>, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. To change the default editor: 'update-alternatives --config ... |
| 04:11.44 | wols_ | Texou: get the USB ID and google it |
| 04:12.02 | Texou | ah usb id ... goon idea |
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| 04:13.10 | Wyzard | mmlj4: "The -e option is used to edit the current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variables. After you exit from the editor, the modified crontab will be installed automatically. If neither of the environment variables is defined, then the default editor /usr/bin/editor is used." |
| 04:13.52 | mmlj4 | that works, thanks |
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| 04:16.36 | enyawix | why have most config files been hidden? |
| 04:16.48 | SDwarfs | Hi there... I have a problem with a known bug in a debian package (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572031) using squeeze. Is there any good HOWTO to build a .deb-Package? I would like to "automatically" optain official updates for the package, as soon as the bug has been fixed in squeeze. Any hints what I should (not) do? |
| 04:17.18 | enyawix | the grub setup sucks |
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| 04:18.49 | SDwarfs | enyawix: I just had some days of "real fun" installing grub2 on a server via remote access (without seeing the system booting)... But finally I got it working. Was a bit difficult, because of the software raid... |
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| 04:21.13 | enyawix | SDwarfs i just hate wasting time on google to do every thing. in 1998 Debian was a hard core geek distro. now it hides things from you like windows |
| 04:21.44 | hideo | you can thank ubuntu for that |
| 04:22.24 | SDwarfs | I don't think things are really "hidden". You just have to choose the right verbosity level... |
| 04:23.14 | enyawix | SDwarfs i am talking about config files |
| 04:23.20 | SDwarfs | Under Windows you are not able to set the verbosity quite much higher. Under Linux you even can use tools like strace to find out which system calls a program does... |
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| 04:23.51 | enyawix | SDwarfs it is like the system trys to hold your hand now |
| 04:23.58 | SDwarfs | The config files are hidden for years, I think it was that way in 1998 too |
| 04:24.05 | rudi_s_ | enyawix: Just curious, what config files are you talking about? |
| 04:24.12 | SDwarfs | especially .bash_rc and folks |
| 04:24.24 | rudi_s_ | (I mean they are all there in /etc.) |
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| 04:25.00 | SDwarfs | rudi_s_: I think he means that files and directories starting with a "." in the user home directories... |
| 04:25.04 | enyawix | rudi_s_ i am trying to find the grub.conf now. google did not help this time |
| 04:25.40 | rudi_s_ | enyawix: grub or grub2? I would look in /boot I have only experience with grub 1. |
| 04:25.41 | abrotman | /boot/grub/menu.lst for grub1, /boot/grub/grug.cfg for grub2 |
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| 04:25.55 | SDwarfs | enyawix: the grub.conf is not always present... you need to do a "update-grub" first |
| 04:26.06 | abrotman | both files are auto generated .. you'd want to edit files in /etc/ |
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| 04:26.41 | enyawix | the stock kernel lacks preempt so i recompile to get it |
| 04:27.34 | rudi_s_ | abrotman: What files in /etc are you referring to (Grub 1)? |
| 04:27.56 | SDwarfs | One thing I would say that is more a problem is that there are today a lot more of bugs in the linux software that is marked as "stable" |
| 04:28.29 | enyawix | i wish we had a desktop kernel |
| 04:28.40 | votality | according to my bro that isnt true |
| 04:28.51 | votality | and he says debian is shit |
| 04:28.52 | votality | and too old |
| 04:29.08 | votality | and i said if you think linux doesnt have bugs your an idiot |
| 04:29.17 | enyawix | votality debian rocked back in the day |
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| 04:29.33 | votality | he claims because his cluster can have an uptime of months |
| 04:29.35 | votality | nothing has bugs |
| 04:29.51 | votality | however his computational cluster has a narrow package selection |
| 04:30.18 | votality | its servers with lots of packages and webservices etc that you find leak over months |
| 04:30.19 | Wyzard | and few types of bugs lead to forced reboots |
| 04:30.31 | Wyzard | You could have months of uptime on a machine whose apps crash every day |
| 04:30.37 | rudi_s_ | !offtopic |
| 04:30.37 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 04:30.50 | votality | most times its not a reboot its just performance degradation |
| 04:31.10 | Psi-Jack | I have a system that when I boot it up in Debian, it tells me: Your BIOS doesn't leave the aperature memory hole. Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup. What exactly is that meaning? |
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| 04:32.01 | SDwarfs | I'm just saw a kernel bug in the 802.11 (wireless lan) package in the stabel version of the 2.6.32-kernel. I didn't work in the code, I was just compiling the kernel and saw the warning... which in fact told me that's a bug (they used printf with a %d for a size_t, which causes problems on x64 platforms). Thats just something that a kernel-developer SHOULD see and fix. |
| 04:32.26 | rudi_s_ | SDwarfs: Well, tell them it. |
| 04:32.45 | wols_ | SDwarfs: staging area? |
| 04:32.57 | rohan | when i do an aptitude update, there is one of the repos which is stuck at 'waiting for headers'. how do i pinpoint which particular repo is that? |
| 04:33.22 | SDwarfs | wols_: What do you mean with "staging area"? |
| 04:33.27 | votality | u got more than 4gb ram Psi-Jack |
| 04:33.55 | Psi-Jack | Yep. 6GB on that system. |
| 04:33.57 | rudi_s_ | rohan: Shouldn't it display the repo right above the warning? |
| 04:33.58 | wols_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+staging+area |
| 04:34.13 | votality | http://www.x86-64.org/pipermail/discuss/2005-September/006680.html |
| 04:34.42 | peterrooney | rohan: try apt-get update? |
| 04:34.50 | rohan | rudi_s_: it's not a warning.. and i think the repo updates are fetched in parallel so the one above might not necessarily be the one failing. "99% [Waiting for headers]" |
| 04:35.12 | rohan | peterrooney: how would that make a difference? it didn't. |
| 04:35.28 | votality | Psi-Jack: try boot option "iommu=memaper=3" |
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| 04:35.51 | peterrooney | apt-get does one at a time. |
| 04:35.53 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. Well, annoyingly enough I did what it suggested, now the system won't even boot. ;) |
| 04:35.56 | nervousTwitch | im having the same issue hanging at waiting for headers |
| 04:36.17 | rudi_s_ | rohan: Hm, you're right. Maybe netstat -anp gives you an idea. |
| 04:36.51 | votality | why did it suggest you rm -rf your root dir |
| 04:36.53 | votality | :P |
| 04:37.32 | robbe- | Psi-Jack: Did you read http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/your-bios-doesnt-leave-a-aperture-memory-hole-624088/ ? |
| 04:38.59 | Psi-Jack | robbe-: Am now. :) |
| 04:39.58 | robbe- | Psi-Jack: That is a first hit on google for "bios iommu" ... did you google first? :-) |
| 04:40.14 | rohan | rudi_s_: ok, thanks |
| 04:41.04 | robbe- | Psi-Jack: Anyway they end up saying iommu=noagp should help. Another google hit suggests trying iommu=noaperture. |
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| 04:42.11 | Psi-Jack | Heh interesting. |
| 04:42.17 | Psi-Jack | Cause, yeah, this system has no AGP. |
| 04:42.39 | votality | post i sent you explained that |
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| 04:43.05 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. I was in the middle of resetting the CMOS. |
| 04:43.18 | Psi-Jack | The setting I did in BIOS totally made it not even POST. |
| 04:43.50 | votality | did you try the boot option i gave you |
| 04:44.05 | votality | change it back then |
| 04:44.36 | Psi-Jack | heh, votality: I had to use the Clear CMOS jumper. :p |
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| 04:44.56 | votality | what the fuck did you change |
| 04:45.09 | votality | to make it not boot it must have been something dumb |
| 04:45.19 | Psi-Jack | Memory Hold Remapping from Enabled->Disabled |
| 04:45.25 | votality | like wrong multipler or ram speed or something |
| 04:45.25 | Psi-Jack | Hole* |
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| 04:45.47 | Psi-Jack | That's all I changed. heh |
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| 04:47.11 | votality | the memory hold |
| 04:47.16 | votality | hole is used by pci devices |
| 04:47.27 | votality | at the upper limit of the 4gb barrier |
| 04:48.09 | Psi-Jack | yeah, it certainly didn't like that idea. ;) |
| 04:48.38 | votality | very weird the system didnt post |
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| 04:49.00 | Psi-Jack | Yep. Well, it's a fairly current model eMachine. |
| 04:49.10 | Psi-Jack | Using only just onboard video for it. |
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| 04:50.38 | Psi-Jack | iommu=noagp and iommu=noaperature both do no change to that. |
| 04:50.50 | votality | bbl |
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| 04:52.21 | rryouumaa | using a mac currently. will all the videos htat work now (youtube, flash, whatever) be able to work in debian? or is that a no-no? note: i used to use debian and liked it and want to use it again. |
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| 04:52.49 | Psi-Jack | There's a flashplayer plugin for Linux too, so yes. |
| 04:52.51 | rryouumaa | (i just did not use any of those streaming videos back then) |
| 04:52.52 | hayleyw | rryouumaa, yes, youtube/flash works fine in debian |
| 04:53.04 | rryouumaa | great, thanks both of you |
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| 04:54.07 | rryouumaa | and last.fm? |
| 04:54.31 | hayleyw | rryouumaa, works |
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| 04:54.52 | Debian911 | Anyone have much experience with SSD + Trim and Alignments - just got Ubuntu Server 9.10, upgraded to kernel 2.6.33 - but I've now read up on having alignment offset set, however this is on a Server I do not have physical access to so Live CD is out, not to mention reformatting SSDs as thats where my only OS sits. Ideas? |
| 04:55.16 | Debian911 | ><, that was Debian Squeeze not Ubunut Server - wtf did I type that for |
| 04:55.19 | Psi-Jack | Debian911: This is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 04:55.24 | hayleyw | yeah |
| 04:55.38 | nervousTwitch | only issue with flash that is grinding my butt right now is hulu and 64bit |
| 04:55.56 | hayleyw | hulu works just fine on 64bit here |
| 04:55.58 | Debian911 | Psi-Jack: I mistyped mate, runnin Debian Lenny upgraded to Squeeze |
| 04:56.07 | Psi-Jack | Debian911: yeah. Right. |
| 04:56.32 | nervousTwitch | 32 bit wrapper? |
| 04:57.06 | hayleyw | no. there's native flash 64-bit now |
| 04:57.28 | nervousTwitch | huh wont play hulu for me say its a known issus with adobe |
| 04:57.48 | hayleyw | great here with chromium |
| 04:58.42 | Sier | Debian911, what about Serial Access? |
| 04:58.57 | Sier | Serial Console.. |
| 04:59.17 | Debian911 | Sier: Only options I have are Rescue Mode (which is Read-Only) or booting as normal |
| 04:59.31 | Debian911 | Can only do OS installs thru my providers Manager |
| 04:59.51 | elik | Wyzard, about my problem earlier, a sure way to make the cursor mouse over xchat edit box while I type |
| 05:00.19 | Debian911 | I've spent the day reading up trying to figure out what I can do to optimze my SSDs - havern't come up with much |
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| 05:00.52 | robbe- | Hm, how do you change directory with a shell script? I mean not just in the script, but that you effectively end up in the dir when the sh script ends. |
| 05:01.00 | elik | Wyzard, and when it acts normally, the cursor disappear when I type and the cursor is in the box, and is restored when it is moved |
| 05:01.20 | Debian911 | Sier: I mean theres no way to realign without wiping current harddrive? |
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| 05:01.44 | Sier | Debian911, I'm not familiar with SSD drives, sorry |
| 05:01.45 | hayleyw | robbe-, you can use cd in scripts. or you can do sh script && cd foo |
| 05:01.57 | robbe- | hayleyw: Yes, but that is not what I want. :-) |
| 05:01.59 | Sier | Debian911, if you don't get help here, try sending an email to the debian mailing list.. |
| 05:02.03 | elik | Wyzard, funny thing is, another event that would change cursor (like when I'm on a window corner) will not "fix" the disappeared cursor |
| 05:02.14 | elik | Wyzard, you think it qualifies for a bug report? |
| 05:02.19 | hayleyw | robbe-, it's what you asked |
| 05:02.37 | robbe- | Debian911: I didn't follow the discussion, but aligning your partitions means that you shift them a few sectors up, and by doing that you effectevely destroy all filesystems I'm aware of .. :-) |
| 05:02.53 | Debian911 | robbe-: figured as much :( |
| 05:03.06 | robbe- | hayleyw: No, I want to change dir from within the script, and stay there when it ends. |
| 05:03.27 | robbe- | hayleyw: Consider the possibility that the script logic determines the directory to end up in. |
| 05:03.33 | hayleyw | robbe-, how does a cd in the script not accomplish that? |
| 05:04.15 | robbe- | hayleyw: well, just cd in a script does a cd in the shell that is running the script, not in the shell where you started the script from. |
| 05:04.50 | hayleyw | sure it does, if it's the same shell. if you're in bash, have the script #!/bin/bash |
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| 05:05.42 | Titan8990 | hayleyw: hes talking about it actaully changing the directory of his session, in his shell |
| 05:06.11 | Titan8990 | doesn't think it will be posisble |
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| 05:06.52 | Titan8990 | or useful.... |
| 05:07.06 | robbe- | Titan8990 probably has a better way of wording what I want :-) |
| 05:07.45 | dbbolton | i ran "chmod a+x" as root on a script in a fat32 partition, but my regular user can't execute it due to a permission denied error |
| 05:08.04 | hayleyw | dbbolton, chmod does nothing on fat32 |
| 05:08.11 | peterrooney | dbbolton: on a fat32 partition, that has no effect |
| 05:08.30 | robbe- | Titan8990: I'm lazy, I want to sshmount && cd to the mountpoint with one command. Hey, I just saw the light; making an alias probably works. :-) |
| 05:08.37 | peterrooney | beaten |
| 05:09.15 | dbbolton | then how can i execute it |
| 05:09.35 | wols_ | dbbolton: sh <file> |
| 05:09.52 | cast | good ol crappy filesystems. |
| 05:10.09 | robbe- | Titan8990: Thanks for the inspiration. :-) |
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| 05:11.29 | dbbolton | every once in awhile aptitude will take a long time on "Reading database ...", and the only treatment i have found is "dpkg --clear-avail". is there a way to prevent the problem? |
| 05:11.32 | peterrooney | dbbolton: if it's a shell / perl script, sh (or perl) <filename>. if it's a binary, copy it to a filesystem that supports permissions |
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| 05:13.45 | Nopsus | Hello, I want to know how to make debian run faster, I already tried: preload, readahead, noatime, hdparm, compiling my own kernel, what else is between Windows performance and Debian stability? |
| 05:14.25 | hayleyw | performance in what? IO? 3d? |
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| 05:15.05 | Nopsus | General use like surfing internet, etc. Firefox/Iceweasel and Oo.org are SLOOOOOOW |
| 05:15.30 | hayleyw | Nopsus, what's your swap/ram situation? |
| 05:15.43 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Compiling your own kernel does not likely help. |
| 05:16.00 | Nopsus | oh that I did swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure trick |
| 05:16.18 | Nopsus | swappiness = 10, vfs_cache_pressure = 50 |
| 05:16.28 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Find the bottlenecks, then address the specific problem. |
| 05:16.29 | hayleyw | that's not really what ia sked |
| 05:16.48 | Nopsus | Also is the time between I login into gdm and actually doing something |
| 05:17.02 | Nopsus | using gdm unthemed and LXDE environment |
| 05:17.04 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Are you cpu, disk, or network bound? |
| 05:17.05 | Nopsus | still slow |
| 05:17.19 | Nopsus | karlpinc: like what? |
| 05:17.33 | Nopsus | I'm not in a LAN, only Internet |
| 05:17.54 | Nopsus | so I don't share neither cpu or disk, if that was your question. |
| 05:17.57 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Like, why is it taking so long? Is it waiting to read from disk? Is no more CPU available? What? |
| 05:18.12 | karlpinc | Nopsus: "It" being whatever you want to run faster. |
| 05:18.13 | Nopsus | I don't know, how can I see? |
| 05:18.39 | Nopsus | hmmm I didn't notice a several read from disk |
| 05:18.47 | nervousTwitch | run top |
| 05:18.55 | karlpinc | Nopsus: That's the right question. Try vmstat. (Other are top, iostat, sar, etc.) But you want a big picture. |
| 05:18.57 | Nopsus | disk is quiet and red light of HDD is off |
| 05:19.39 | karlpinc | Nopsus: You could also install an applet that shows cpu usage, disk usage, etc. |
| 05:19.42 | nervousTwitch | alright |
| 05:19.57 | Nopsus | wouldn't that eat more cpu? |
| 05:20.01 | karlpinc | Nopsus: In a graph. But vmstat does the trick and tells you what's going on. |
| 05:20.21 | karlpinc | Nopsus: You don't know until you run a utility that produces numbers. |
| 05:20.23 | Nopsus | swpd 2356 free 14668 |
| 05:20.32 | Nopsus | buff 9832 cache 122408 |
| 05:20.59 | Nopsus | dont know how to read the numbers |
| 05:21.04 | karlpinc | Nopsus: You need to run, say, "vmstat 1". And you need to read the man page to understand what it's telling you, or at least skim it. |
| 05:21.49 | karlpinc | Nopsus: And you need to run it while you're doing whatever that you think is too slow. |
| 05:22.27 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Then you have a picture of what your system is doing and can do something useful to make it faster. Otherwise your just poking at it with a stick. |
| 05:22.37 | Nopsus | I opened a new tab in FF and suddenly free memory started to drop, then it went back to normal |
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| 05:25.52 | Nopsus | approx 50% is cached |
| 05:26.02 | Nopsus | of my memory |
| 05:26.24 | Nopsus | leaving very little idle memory |
| 05:27.25 | Nopsus | like 7mb of idle memory |
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| 05:28.00 | Nopsus | what could be 'useful' |
| 05:29.51 | karlpinc | Nopsus: That would depend on why your system is busy. What is the cpu idle %? |
| 05:30.02 | CompWizrd | what are the system specs before we try and fix a 486? |
| 05:30.13 | karlpinc | CompWizrd: No reason not to fix a 486. |
| 05:30.25 | Nopsus | when doing 'slow' tasks 0% |
| 05:30.46 | karlpinc | Nopsus: And the % time waiting for disk io? |
| 05:31.06 | Nopsus | 0% |
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| 05:31.20 | Nopsus | the thing is userspace, very high cpu usage |
| 05:31.31 | Nopsus | 90% on average |
| 05:31.37 | OldMonk | upgrading a really old debian testing server, and running into circular dependencies on the kernel and libc: http://paste.debian.net/64141/ |
| 05:31.43 | SolarisBoy | good times |
| 05:32.19 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Ok then your maxing out the cpu. What sort of processing power do you have and which processes are using it? ps ax for the latter. |
| 05:32.37 | dyek | Hi! With Linux source code installed with "apt-get source linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic", can I copy existing /boot/config-2.6.31-20-generic into the Linux source tree and build the identical kernel? Or do I have to "make *config" all over again? |
| 05:32.39 | OldMonk | how do i install both at the same time and keep the machine runnins? |
| 05:32.43 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: so upgrade the kernel, reboot, and then continue |
| 05:32.59 | OldMonk | dondelelcaro: upgrade kernel also gives the same problem |
| 05:33.09 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: what kernel are you upgraded to? |
| 05:33.38 | Nopsus | karlpinc: on doing nothing cpu is at 20%, intel celeron 366mhz, main culÃprits are X and firefox |
| 05:33.41 | adb | dyek, ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:33.45 | Nopsus | *culprits |
| 05:34.04 | OldMonk | dondelelcaro: currently on 2.6.8, will upgrade to 2.6.32 |
| 05:34.18 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: uh... how long has it been since you've upgraded this machine? |
| 05:34.31 | OldMonk | 3 years or so |
| 05:34.44 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: you'll almost certainly have to make a stop at sarge, then etch, then lenny, then upgrade to testing |
| 05:34.57 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: otherwise, you're going to have to do a lot of manual hand holding to get things to work properly |
| 05:35.03 | karlpinc | Nopsus: There's not a whole lot to do about a slow cpu, other than use a more lightweight program. |
| 05:35.24 | OldMonk | geez! ok, if i take the route you specified, is it going to work? |
| 05:35.39 | dondelelcaro | OldMonk: probably |
| 05:35.40 | \amethyst | dyek: I suspect you'll need to at least do 'make oldconfig' (after copying the .config) so that config.h and so on are created |
| 05:35.40 | OldMonk | i.e. go distribution by distribution? |
| 05:35.46 | Nopsus | which do you suggest? on Windows when using FF the thing is a lot more responsive |
| 05:36.00 | Psi-Jack | in /etc/network/interfaces, can I have multiple post-up and pre-down declarations? |
| 05:36.39 | Nopsus | karlpinc: since there is no replacement for X, I would be needing a new browser right? |
| 05:36.40 | \amethyst | Psi-Jack: yes, and the man page even says so "Each of these options can be given multiple times in a single stanza, ..." |
| 05:36.48 | Psi-Jack | Awesome. ;) |
| 05:36.49 | \amethyst | Psi-Jack: interfaces(5) that is |
| 05:37.14 | Psi-Jack | Apparently I'm having to add a static route for my proxyarp'd server for LAN->server to get to it. |
| 05:37.16 | karlpinc | Nopsus: I hear dillo. You can also install debtags and then "aptitude search '~Gbrowser'". |
| 05:38.06 | dyek | \amethyst: That sounds like a possibility. Thanks! |
| 05:38.24 | Nopsus | could I reduce the footprint of X? |
| 05:38.29 | karlpinc | Nopsus: Same version of firefox on both OSs? |
| 05:38.38 | Nopsus | karlpinc: Yes |
| 05:39.09 | karlpinc | Nopsus: You could try using iceweasel, it being built by the debian team. |
| 05:39.34 | OldMonk | geez, apt-get is segfaulting now! |
| 05:39.40 | OldMonk | as is aptitude |
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| 05:40.29 | karlpinc | Nopsus: I don't suppose your browser is playing a video? |
| 05:40.35 | Nopsus | karlpinc: I heard its a older firefox, with security patches right? is it any faster? |
| 05:40.43 | OldMonk | oh man, i'm fscked, right? |
| 05:40.45 | Nopsus | karlpinc: Of course not |
| 05:41.02 | Nopsus | karlpinc: I dont even have flash installed |
| 05:43.17 | robbles | Nopsus: tried Opera? |
| 05:44.13 | Nopsus | robbles: tried Internet Explorer? |
| 05:44.17 | Nopsus | ;D |
| 05:44.28 | Nopsus | no, rly |
| 05:44.44 | robbles | ... |
| 05:45.20 | Nopsus | anyway Its feature rich, so would it run any faster with all those features? |
| 05:45.30 | robbles | Try it and see |
| 05:46.09 | robbles | I suspect it will |
| 05:47.22 | Nopsus | hehe FF pwns iceweasel, I tried opening Iceweasel with ff running and it said 'Iceweasel is running, but its not responding, to open a new window......' |
| 05:48.07 | Nopsus | maybe a bug? |
| 05:50.32 | Nopsus | iceweasel goes cpu intensive!! 75% |
| 05:50.37 | peterrooney | Nopsus: unless you told it to use a particular profile when you started it, no |
| 05:51.05 | Nopsus | iceweasel is idle and even there, 65% |
| 05:51.07 | Nopsus | iceweasel is idle and even there, 65% |
| 05:51.11 | Nopsus | oh crap! |
| 05:51.33 | peterrooney | iceweasel uses same directories in user's home as firefox does |
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| 05:52.27 | Nopsus | the experiment failed miserably, no way ff beats iw |
| 05:52.54 | Nopsus | robbles: how to install opera? I did aptitude install opera and no way |
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| 05:53.58 | robbles | Nopsus: http://wiki.debian.org/Opera |
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| 06:23.23 | Roots | Hey all, I have a problem. Somehow the drive identifiers on my hard drive have switched. /dev/sda is now /dev/sdb and vice versa. sda has my Debian system on it and sdb has a Windows XP image. Any idea how I can get them to swap back? Debian won't boot successfully because it can't find the right partitions |
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| 06:25.43 | Nopsus | Roots: see /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 06:25.57 | Nopsus | this will always point at the right hdd |
| 06:25.59 | DogBoy | you can also do it by label |
| 06:26.23 | Nopsus | then edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and voila! |
| 06:26.59 | Roots | Oh okay, I'll give that a shot. Thanks |
| 06:26.59 | Nopsus | do I need avahi-daemon? |
| 06:27.12 | robbles | Roots: also update your /etc/fstab |
| 06:28.58 | Roots | Okay trying this out now |
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| 06:31.45 | DogBoy | Roots, you can read this if you want some background info |
| 06:31.46 | DogBoy | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountDisksByLabel |
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| 06:32.29 | Roots | thanks DogBoy |
| 06:33.11 | Blafuli | im tryying to build debian package from source because i need to compile it with other CFLAGS. there are unmet dependencies. if i do an apt-get build-dep gftp i always get E: Build-dependencies for gftp could not be satisfied. |
| 06:33.29 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: why do you need different CFLAGS? |
| 06:33.35 | Roots | that's odd, after rebooting now sda and sdb are swapped back correctly and everything works |
| 06:33.53 | dondelelcaro | Roots: that's why you use UUID instead of sda/sdb for boot devices |
| 06:34.00 | Blafuli | dondelelcaro: in debian package is an option --disable-ssl and i need ssl |
| 06:34.06 | Blafuli | for gftp |
| 06:34.20 | Roots | my grub.cfg is using UUID |
| 06:34.23 | Roots | already |
| 06:34.47 | Blafuli | so i got sources with apt-get sources gftp, edited the rules file and tried to build |
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| 06:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: so what's the problem, then? |
| 06:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: install the build dependencies, and then build the package |
| 06:35.55 | xayon | Blafuli: some stuffs needs to exec the |
| 06:36.00 | xayon | *inst scripts or something |
| 06:36.08 | xayon | Blafuli: so do dpkg-buildpackage and install the resulting package |
| 06:36.32 | dondelelcaro | Roots: but presumably your fstab isn't |
| 06:36.46 | Roots | no it is not |
| 06:36.57 | dondelelcaro | Roots: so using UUID there will resolve the problem |
| 06:37.08 | dondelelcaro | (if this is going to be a recurring issue, anyway) |
| 06:37.21 | Blafuli | if i do dpkg-buildpackage, i get "unmet dependencies: build-essential debhelpler... |
| 06:37.25 | Roots | okay cool. Why doesn't fstab do this by default though? Seems like it should |
| 06:37.27 | Blafuli | sorry i am doing this for the first time |
| 06:37.29 | Blafuli | :/ |
| 06:37.37 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: so install build-essential, debhelper, etc. |
| 06:37.55 | Blafuli | i read about apt-get build-dep |
| 06:37.57 | Blafuli | what does that do? |
| 06:38.07 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: apt-get build-dep gftp; should also do the trick, but if it doesn't, you need to do it manually |
| 06:38.17 | Blafuli | with apt-get install? |
| 06:38.19 | Roots | Previously I was having a problem that seemed like it was a race condition or something. Had two drives, each with a Debian and Windows partition on it. Sometimes booting into one would fail to let me login because it couldn't find the home directory, and the partitions were switched |
| 06:38.20 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: it installs the packages listed in the Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep lines of a source package |
| 06:38.23 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: yes |
| 06:38.25 | robbles | !tell Blafuli about ssb |
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| 06:38.47 | Blafuli | dondelelcaro: thank you very much ill give it a try :)) |
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| 06:39.22 | dondelelcaro | Blafuli: np; good luck |
| 06:40.02 | Roots | actually reading this page further I'm not going to make fstab changes yet because I've still got some partition changes I need to make, so I'll wait until I finish that |
| 06:43.45 | Blafuli | dondelelcaro: next problem :/ apt-get install build-essential gave me this: http://paste.debian.net/64165/ |
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| 06:59.37 | aaron | hey i got a question how can i download this libraries ./redsn0w: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 07:04.36 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: apt-file search libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 says it's in libwxgtk2.8-0 |
| 07:04.42 | peterrooney | TiMiDo: apt-file search |
| 07:05.24 | TiMiDo | i did install it |
| 07:05.27 | TiMiDo | but is not working |
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| 07:06.36 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: same error? |
| 07:06.45 | TiMiDo | yes \amethyst |
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| 07:08.04 | TiMiDo | any other ideas? |
| 07:08.16 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: do you have the file in /usr/lib (it should be a symlink) |
| 07:08.19 | \amethyst | ? |
| 07:09.04 | TiMiDo | i think so |
| 07:09.11 | TiMiDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.29 | \amethyst | ls -l /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 |
| 07:10.00 | \amethyst | if you installed libwxgtk2.8-0 it should be there |
| 07:10.16 | TiMiDo | t-2.8.so.0 |
| 07:10.17 | TiMiDo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Mar 14 01:57 /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 -> libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0.6.0 |
| 07:10.26 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: hm... does running the program as LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib ./redsn0w help? |
| 07:10.39 | TiMiDo | ?? |
| 07:10.53 | TiMiDo | ./redsn0w: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 07:10.59 | \amethyst | ah |
| 07:11.09 | TiMiDo | i think i need the 64 version |
| 07:11.11 | \amethyst | you have a 32-bit binary and a 64-bit system |
| 07:11.30 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 07:11.36 | TiMiDo | is there any way i can fix the issue? |
| 07:11.48 | \amethyst | get a 64-bit version of redsn0w |
| 07:12.05 | TiMiDo | i don't think they have it, |
| 07:12.18 | cast | compile one? |
| 07:12.27 | TiMiDo | you can't |
| 07:12.35 | cast | oh, why? |
| 07:12.38 | \amethyst | set up a 32-bit chroot and run it in there |
| 07:13.07 | TiMiDo | how ? |
| 07:14.14 | \amethyst | !32-bit chroot |
| 07:14.14 | dpkg | To setup a 32 bit chroot check http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205, or http://ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki/pub:multiarch |
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| 07:14.30 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 07:15.13 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to get cores dumped with /bin/sh => dash. "ulimit -c unlimited" doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 07:18.16 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: trying to get cores dumped by what? |
| 07:18.41 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: the program you're launching that you want to dump core, you are launching from a shell where you did the ulimit, right? |
| 07:18.53 | man_in_shack | my test app is: int main() { return ((char*)0)[0]; } |
| 07:18.57 | man_in_shack | \amethyst, yes |
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| 07:19.38 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:19.43 | \amethyst | not sure what the problem is |
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| 07:19.59 | \amethyst | what does ulimit -c print? |
| 07:20.15 | man_in_shack | unlimited |
| 07:20.59 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/171744/ |
| 07:21.23 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: hm |
| 07:21.31 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: does it work fine from bash? |
| 07:22.41 | man_in_shack | hm, apparently not |
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| 07:23.06 | man_in_shack | same problem |
| 07:23.30 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: hm.. does cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern say "core" ? |
| 07:23.42 | man_in_shack | yes |
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| 07:25.25 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: hm, and pwd is writable? |
| 07:25.31 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 07:25.56 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: and tmp/segfault is readable? |
| 07:26.00 | man_in_shack | weird thing is on another system, i get "ulimit: 3: error setting limit (Operation not permitted)" |
| 07:26.12 | man_in_shack | \amethyst, of course |
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| 07:26.21 | \amethyst | the other system probably has a hard limit set |
| 07:26.29 | man_in_shack | -rwxr-xr-x 1 web web 4414 Mar 14 18:10 tmp/segfault |
| 07:26.34 | \amethyst | which cannot be changed by non-root users |
| 07:26.50 | man_in_shack | except it works in bash |
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| 07:27.04 | man_in_shack | no wait |
| 07:27.10 | man_in_shack | maybe it's just that instance of shell |
| 07:27.35 | man_in_shack | yeah, it was just that instance for some reason |
| 07:27.53 | \amethyst | if you set it lower without -S you won't be able to raise it again |
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| 07:28.33 | man_in_shack | that's probably half the problem then |
| 07:29.06 | \amethyst | well |
| 07:29.24 | \amethyst | that doesn't explain why you're not getting a dump even when the limit is 'unlimited' |
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| 07:29.55 | \amethyst | and we've gone through just about every situation that could prevent core dumps |
| 07:30.08 | \amethyst | s/gone through/gone through and ruled out/ |
| 07:30.47 | man_in_shack | well at least i'm halfway done to solving it :P |
| 07:31.44 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: just to verify, touch core does work and create an empty file, right? |
| 07:31.56 | man_in_shack | sure |
| 07:32.06 | man_in_shack | looks like i accidentally disabled core dumps in my kernel config |
| 07:32.07 | man_in_shack | :P |
| 07:32.40 | man_in_shack | wow, that whole section in config should not be enabled at all. how did i miss that? |
| 07:33.49 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: that would do it :) |
| 07:34.22 | man_in_shack | yeah, i don't know why i had CONFIG_EMBEDDED on |
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| 07:45.23 | gh0st | The file /lib/modules/2.6.33-ghost/source/include/linux/autoconf.h does not exist. |
| 07:45.23 | gh0st | Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 07:45.23 | gh0st | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
| 07:45.26 | gh0st | sources (default is /lib/modules/2.6.33-ghost/source) |
| 07:45.52 | gh0st | what is this i never haves a that? |
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| 07:50.15 | brutus | hi...whenever I edit fstab to mount my C drive on startup, there's a mount.ntfs process which starts hogging half my CPU...how do I solve this? |
| 07:50.17 | tobago | starting wdm by hand /etc/init.d/wdm shows the same effect. |
| 07:50.52 | tobago | starting the X by xinit, the X starts. |
| 07:51.06 | tobago | so it's the wdm which fails |
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| 07:52.10 | tobago | the ~/.xsession_errors is empty. |
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| 07:53.41 | \amethyst | tobago: does wdm have its own log file? |
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| 07:56.08 | madmuppet006 | does anyone know of a scheme interpreter that runs on lenny 64? |
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| 08:00.43 | \amethyst | madmuppet006: there are all kinds... plt-scheme, scheme48, mit-scheme, guile-1.8, chicken-bin, tinyscheme, sigscheme, oaklisp, ... |
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| 08:10.13 | tobago | \amethyst, no. there is no /var/log/wdm. i just checked the /var/log/messages and there was just one error: "ACPI Error: Could not enable powerton event (20090903/evxfevnt-193)" |
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| 08:18.11 | nader | HI, what is most unix-like linux distru ? |
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| 08:19.11 | Vmanz | probly gentoo its pretty annoying |
| 08:19.33 | cahoot | what defines 'unix-like'? |
| 08:21.09 | peterrooney | cahoot: gratuitous vendor changes? |
| 08:21.20 | robbles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like |
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| 09:18.20 | tarterinik | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 09:47.15 | rawknack | hi all. i wanted a minimal debian image. which one shud i go for on this page? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 09:49.04 | wols_ | they're all the same |
| 09:49.22 | au | rawknack: 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 09:50.12 | rawknack | au: i want to go for 32 bit ( altho i have a dual core ) but what is the diff between the 180mb and 40mb images? |
| 09:50.32 | inckie | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso just use this |
| 09:50.34 | wols_ | the 40MB businesscard must have a network connection when installing |
| 09:50.39 | au | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 09:50.44 | wols_ | the 180MB one doesn't need a working internet connction |
| 09:51.09 | wols_ | however, no matter which installer you choose: they're all the same installer |
| 09:51.11 | rawknack | im trying out the image on vm so i guess i can go for 40mb too |
| 09:51.18 | cast | does that still run on a i386? |
| 09:51.24 | rawknack | no i want one with the most minimal of packages |
| 09:51.26 | wols_ | cast: no |
| 09:51.44 | wols_ | rawknack: there is no "most minimal of packages". ALL installers install the same thing. ALL of them |
| 09:51.55 | au | well |
| 09:51.59 | wols_ | rawknack: you can get the DVD and install the "minimal set of packages" |
| 09:52.03 | rawknack | ok |
| 09:52.35 | au | in the end, you end up with the same things if you were to use the 180mb or 40mb |
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| 09:52.54 | au | I would suggest the 180mb one then installing everything via apt-get |
| 09:53.01 | wols_ | rawknack: to not install anything frm tasksel and disable apt recommends after installation |
| 09:53.01 | rawknack | au: but that is still less than what the normal cd installs rite? |
| 09:53.04 | au | such as apache, php etec. the whole list |
| 09:53.12 | au | it's not less |
| 09:53.29 | au | because the 40mb will grab stuff to install from the internet |
| 09:53.41 | au | so if you were to install them both, you would have the EXACT same install |
| 09:53.45 | rawknack | can i not select what it fetches? |
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| 09:54.07 | au | off the top of my head, if you tell the 40mb not to fetch, you will not have a functional os |
| 09:54.16 | cast | i use the netinst for all my offline installs [which can be a PITA to get wvdial on there :<] |
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| 09:54.53 | wols_ | cast: what is wvdial needed for? |
| 09:55.07 | au | I suggest using the 180mb one |
| 09:55.19 | cast | get my net connection up, via a 3G USB dongle |
| 09:55.28 | rawknack | au: my main concern is unnecessary bloat and i would need to install packages to get my very weird wifi card working |
| 09:55.33 | rawknack | please suggest |
| 09:55.33 | wols_ | and wvdial is needed why there? |
| 09:56.22 | cast | oh....is the software already in the netinst to do dialup? :) |
| 09:56.27 | wols_ | rawknack: which wlan chip? |
| 09:56.34 | valdyn | rawknack: the install method does not affect the installed size of debian |
| 09:56.34 | rawknack | wols_: atheros |
| 09:56.37 | wols_ | cast: yes, ppp and pppoe are both present |
| 09:56.45 | nsadmin | rawknack: eiter way it's the minimum download (either 40mb and then the base or else 150 (or so) mb that has the base on it |
| 09:56.50 | wols_ | rawknack: atheros is anything but weird. which one |
| 09:57.04 | cast | wols_: neat, |
| 09:57.27 | au | rawknack: use the 180mb one, no matter if you choose the 40 mb or 180 mb, you will end up with the same thing at the end of the install |
| 09:57.59 | au | rawknack: when it comes up to what you want installed, untick it all (it's already all unticked off the top of my head) |
| 09:58.26 | rawknack | wols_: AR5BXBB63 |
| 09:58.33 | nsadmin | with the 40mb one you run the risk of whatever your net hardware is not being supported |
| 09:58.40 | rawknack | au: ok i will go for 180mb. thanks |
| 09:58.55 | nsadmin | you running linux now? |
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| 09:59.12 | rawknack | nsadmin: yes on ubuntu right now |
| 09:59.33 | nsadmin | ok, you should pastebin the output of lspci -nn |
| 09:59.41 | rawknack | ok wait |
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| 10:00.55 | rawknack | nsadmin: here: http://pastebin.com/e3Uv9K2B |
| 10:01.14 | wols_ | ,pciid http://pastebin.com/e3Uv9K2B |
| 10:01.19 | wols_ | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 10:01.20 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 10:01.35 | wols_ | as you can see, your wlan chip is supported out of the box |
| 10:01.47 | nsadmin | on the 40mb one? |
| 10:02.03 | wols_ | on any debian installer |
| 10:02.28 | wols_ | however, since wlan is usually using WPA, I wouldn't use the businesscard ISO. no WPA support |
| 10:02.35 | nsadmin | which have the userland stuff (iw*, iwlist, etc)? |
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| 10:03.16 | wols_ | !tell nsadmin about cd content |
| 10:03.21 | nsadmin | so 180mb it is. do you have /home as a separate partition? |
| 10:03.32 | rawknack | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:04.07 | nsadmin | that's good, you may or may not have to rework the user IDs after install |
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| 10:04.42 | rawknack | ah also my graphics controller is weird. it got supported in buntu 9.10 in the box. the lines 2 and 3 in the paste. |
| 10:04.48 | nsadmin | one thing that will get you close, is to make sure the first user you add as part of the install process is the first user you added under ubuntu install |
| 10:05.05 | rawknack | nsadmin: i dont mind doing a clean install |
| 10:05.24 | nsadmin | what, and wipe your /home too? |
| 10:05.28 | rawknack | i just want 2 things. not have stuttered graphics and a working wifi. |
| 10:05.32 | nsadmin | it's up to you but you don't have to |
| 10:05.40 | rawknack | nsadmin: not necessarily. i will dual boot |
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| 10:06.30 | nsadmin | so if you're keeping /home, figure the first user you added |
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| 10:07.14 | nsadmin | probably that's the first user you see whose user id >= 500 in /etc/passwd |
| 10:07.19 | tobago | does this xfce-image include the wdm? ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-503-i386-xfce-desktop.img |
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| 10:07.47 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 10:07.56 | wols_ | tobago: any reason for a live cd? |
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| 10:08.03 | tobago | wls |
| 10:08.19 | rawknack | nsadmin: ok |
| 10:08.34 | tobago | wols_, my current installed debian fails starting wdm. that is why i try again with live cd this time. |
| 10:08.46 | nsadmin | if the user ids are different you'll have a bit of work to do |
| 10:08.56 | wols_ | tobago: fails HOW? |
| 10:09.07 | rawknack | wols_: how do i check for device ids for their support status? |
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| 10:09.18 | nsadmin | fOW Hails! |
| 10:09.40 | tobago | wols_, wdm doesn't start login screen. so there seems to be something misconfigured. and i can't find out what is misconfigured. |
| 10:09.48 | wols_ | rawknack: /msg judd pciid <pci id> |
| 10:10.00 | tobago | wols_, what is wrong with the live cd? |
| 10:10.01 | TomyLobo | tobago does startx work? |
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| 10:10.18 | nsadmin | Hai fOWel! |
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| 10:10.22 | tobago | Tommy_DO, yes |
| 10:10.29 | wols_ | tobago: do other DMs work? |
| 10:10.33 | tobago | TomyLobo, yes |
| 10:10.41 | TomyLobo | that was wols :) |
| 10:10.48 | tobago | wols_, didn't check and don't want to check them. |
| 10:11.09 | tobago | TomyLobo, yes. startx works |
| 10:11.14 | TomyLobo | apt-get install kdm - not that hard :) |
| 10:11.24 | tobago | TomyLobo, to hard for me ;) |
| 10:11.25 | wols_ | kdm is about the worst to use for checking :) |
| 10:11.27 | tobago | too |
| 10:11.34 | wols_ | only gdm is equally bad |
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| 10:11.46 | tobago | wols_, what is wrong with the live cd? |
| 10:11.49 | TomyLobo | wols_ i use kdm though ^^ |
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| 10:12.41 | don_martino | hi! i installed squeeze about 10 days ago. yesterday i installed all upgrades since then. now my wlan doesnt work anymore. is there any way to find out what the upgrade did? |
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| 10:13.02 | TomyLobo | don_martino is your wlan hidden and secured? |
| 10:13.03 | wols_ | TomyLobo: I don't get how it solves your problem |
| 10:13.11 | don_martino | TomyLobo: secured, but not hidden |
| 10:13.43 | thomasp_ | doesn't gunzip have an option to keep the original .gz file? I can't find it in the man pages. |
| 10:13.48 | TomyLobo | wols_ i dont have a problem |
| 10:13.50 | wols_ | don_martino: what have you checked so far on your own to troubleshoot? |
| 10:14.00 | wols_ | TomyLobo: sorry, was for tobago |
| 10:14.04 | TomyLobo | don_martino are your network-manager and network-manager-kde packages up to date? |
| 10:14.15 | don_martino | TomyLobo: I dont do KDE |
| 10:14.25 | don_martino | TomyLobo: and yes, everything is up to date |
| 10:14.35 | TomyLobo | well that's probably the problem ^^ |
| 10:14.39 | don_martino | wols_: I tried just wpa_supplicant without the entire network manager stuff |
| 10:14.54 | TomyLobo | squeeze's kde networkmanager was recently updated so it works with the new network-manager |
| 10:15.07 | TomyLobo | i guess the gnome equivalent wasnt updated yet |
| 10:15.33 | cahoot | TomyLobo: suggesting solutions without a diagnosis is rather futile |
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| 10:16.00 | don_martino | wols_: and i discovered, that there seems to be a problem when associating with the ap. i get a lot "ioctl[SIGCSIWENCODEEXT]: no such file or directory" messages |
| 10:16.05 | TomyLobo | cahoot how do you diagnose problems with new packages without downgrading them? |
| 10:17.12 | wols_ | TomyLobo: you know what a logfile is? |
| 10:17.16 | don_martino | TomyLobo: apparently there was a network-manager and a network-manager-gnome upgrade to versions 0.7.2 |
| 10:17.31 | cahoot | TomyLobo: well the logical first step would be to pin down the cause of the fail - no? |
| 10:18.43 | tobago | wols_, if the live cd with xfce included the wdm then i don't need to install it manually, do i? |
| 10:18.49 | TomyLobo | wols_ when i had the problem i thought he had, the logfiles didnt help |
| 10:18.57 | don_martino | and there is this strange thing that my laptop "sees" only one wlan (not mine and it's the only not secured wlan in my vicinity) |
| 10:19.35 | don_martino | but that only happens occationally. most of the times i see all wlans |
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| 10:20.34 | don_martino | so you suggest downgrading wpa_supplicant? |
| 10:20.57 | wols_ | we suggest BTS checking first |
| 10:21.24 | don_martino | BTS? |
| 10:21.32 | tobago | bug tracking system |
| 10:21.53 | don_martino | lol, yeah i forgot about that. afterall i have copper-lan now :-) |
| 10:22.22 | tobago | wols_, will debian live cd with xfce install the wdm as well? |
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| 10:24.56 | wols_ | tobago: ask a debian live channel |
| 10:25.09 | liable | which is on oftc |
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| 10:25.38 | wols_ | morning liable |
| 10:25.56 | liable | aloha wols_ |
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| 10:33.44 | HaPe6 | hi |
| 10:34.09 | wols_ | good day HaPe6 |
| 10:34.11 | HaPe6 | i've got a problem with one proces, i can't kill it, how to do it? |
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| 10:34.43 | wols_ | how did you try to kill it so far? |
| 10:34.50 | wols_ | ie, used kill -9 for example? |
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| 10:35.48 | HaPe6 | thank you |
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| 10:37.10 | oppel | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 10:38.27 | oppel | /msg dpkgguidelines |
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| 10:41.28 | HaPe0 | when i update my kernel, must I reboot a server to load new version? |
| 10:41.39 | cockroach | yes |
| 10:41.44 | tarterinik | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 10:44.18 | HaPe0 | i use VPS, i don't use cron, may I kill a cron? |
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| 10:44.40 | azeem | HaPe0: you're the admin |
| 10:44.53 | azeem | but killing cron is not recommended |
| 10:45.18 | Internat | kill the entry, not the daemon :) |
| 10:46.35 | daedaluz | installing Debian testing on vbox now. how stable system I should except in comparison to ubuntu |
| 10:46.59 | votality | debian is very stable |
| 10:47.18 | cahoot | he said testing |
| 10:48.01 | cahoot | daedaluz: there's no answer to the question |
| 10:48.09 | HaPe0 | azeem entry? to kill daemon type a /etc/init.d/cron stop, how to kill entry? |
| 10:48.57 | votality | daedaluz: just look up the instructions on getting the guest additions working |
| 10:49.05 | votality | just running the shell script wont work |
| 10:49.18 | votality | you have to install the moudle building packages |
| 10:49.26 | votality | and do m-a prepare |
| 10:49.30 | Arrowmaster | personal opinion but i would consider debian testing far more stable than ubuntu |
| 10:50.27 | cast | it depends what day it is |
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| 10:51.28 | Arrowmaster | likely true |
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| 10:54.37 | mezod | what are the <dump> and <pass> fields in /etc/fstab for? |
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| 10:55.33 | acemi | man fstab |
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| 10:57.31 | HaPe0 | azeem entry? to kill daemon type a /etc/init.d/cron stop, how to kill entry? |
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| 10:58.01 | wols_ | HaPe0: azeem never told you to do that |
| 10:58.08 | nsadmin | mezod: when you have questions about what should be in a configuration file and how it needs to be arranged, check section 5 of the manual (which fstab is in) |
| 10:58.10 | wedge | anyone know how I can check ulimit of a running process? |
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| 10:59.25 | HaPe0 | so, what's better, openVZ or Xen? |
| 10:59.39 | nsadmin | !better |
| 10:59.39 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:00.24 | nsadmin | if you asked what's butter we could probably answer! |
| 11:00.36 | HaPe0 | better-ess unreliable |
| 11:00.42 | HaPe0 | better-less unreliable |
| 11:01.17 | cast | HaPe0: they're very very different methods |
| 11:01.19 | AimHere | So what's better? Debian or Windows ME? |
| 11:01.23 | AimHere | ducks. |
| 11:01.26 | votality | well what is true is debian is loosing support |
| 11:01.29 | mezod | nsadmin: yep sorry is just i dont really understand what does that mean |
| 11:01.30 | cast | HaPe0: its like comparing bsd jails to vmware esx |
| 11:01.33 | votality | and ubuntu is gaining it |
| 11:01.44 | cast | anyway, sleep |
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| 11:03.55 | ChrisW1 | hi all, how do I go about debugging a locked up headless debian box? |
| 11:04.10 | ChrisW1 | I went and took a look at the disk light was solid on, but timed out trying to ssh in |
| 11:04.29 | ChrisW1 | I've power cycled it, but this is the 2nd time it's happened and I'd love to find out what went wrong... |
| 11:04.51 | wols_ | ChrisW1: set up a serial console |
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| 11:05.27 | Riviera | how would this help? :) |
| 11:05.37 | ChrisW1 | wols_: not sure I have the necessary hardware to do that... |
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| 11:06.08 | ChrisW1 | what would I need? |
| 11:06.24 | Riviera | installing a graphics card would be more meaningful :) |
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| 11:06.38 | Riviera | i guess you checked the logfiles? |
| 11:06.46 | wols_ | a server with RS232c interface, a nullmodem cable and a terminal of some sort which can receive input from rs232c |
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| 11:07.12 | Riviera | wols_: yes, and what would that help him? |
| 11:07.18 | wols_ | Riviera: what is on screen after the system crashed when using a graphics card? |
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| 11:07.40 | Riviera | wols_: maybe more useful information than a serial line would get (i. e. more than "nothing") |
| 11:07.43 | ChrisW1 | Riviera: well, it has a graphics card, but no room or need or desire for a monitor normally... |
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| 11:08.13 | Riviera | ChrisW1: i don't see much point for either, anyway |
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| 11:08.16 | wols_ | Riviera: why is a serial line getting "nothing" but a graphics card is? |
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| 11:08.51 | wols_ | heck, usually the monitor is off and only comes on again if a keypress is processed. now how would it get processed? |
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| 11:09.29 | wols_ | while with a serial console,all the data you can get is safely with another, uncrashed machine. you now understand why a grpahics card is useless while a serial console is not? |
| 11:09.39 | schlicke | hello! i've got a problem with my x-key. when i login as normal user i cannot use "x" in terminals. in the X-environment the key works fine but scince I open a teminal i'm not able to write an "x". "X" works fine. if i login as root oder do a su, x works again. can anyone help me with that? |
| 11:09.45 | Riviera | wols_: no |
| 11:09.48 | Riviera | wols_: :) |
| 11:09.59 | wols_ | I thought so |
| 11:10.06 | Riviera | ChrisW1: so, did you check the logfiles? |
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| 11:11.20 | wols_ | ChrisW1: have you tried logging to another host? |
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| 11:15.38 | timeout | bit of a random question: what's Endianness? What's a least/ most significant bit? |
| 11:15.49 | ChrisW1 | Riviera: still waiting for it to come back up :-( |
| 11:15.59 | wedge | is there a way I can check ulimit of a running process? |
| 11:16.39 | wols_ | timeout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_significant_bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness |
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| 11:17.10 | ChrisW1 | Riviera, wols_: okay, back up, what logs should I go for? |
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| 11:17.11 | timeout | wols_: yes, was just reading the article about 2s complement... |
| 11:17.43 | timeout | wols_: ok- great |
| 11:17.49 | timeout | wols_: thnx |
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| 11:18.42 | ChrisW1 | /var/log/messages: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189455/ |
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| 11:19.31 | wols_ | there you have your answer |
| 11:19.35 | bolt | is there a simple way to delete every file named something that would be between "Baobab" and "Grep" in an alphabetical filename sorting? |
| 11:19.43 | ChrisW1 | wols_: er, okay, and what is the answer? |
| 11:20.30 | wols_ | ChrisW1: ata2. a harddisk didn't respond |
| 11:20.51 | ChrisW1 | why should that kill the whole machine, though> |
| 11:21.01 | ChrisW1 | that's only an external backup disk of mine... |
| 11:21.40 | ChrisW1 | what does this, in syslog, mean: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/189456/ |
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| 11:24.45 | wols_ | now why could faulty hardware crash a machine... very mysterious. NOT! |
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| 11:28.37 | bolt | wols_: so where's the patch to compensate for the faulty hardware? bypass the affected systems? |
| 11:28.43 | bolt | wols_: works in star trek, anyway... |
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| 11:29.28 | fsdfdsfs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjMhceXYws |
| 11:29.34 | wols_ | bolt: we're missing a tachyon polarizer to revert the field |
| 11:29.57 | bolt | wols_: ah. that was in a state of temporal flux last I saw it |
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| 11:31.23 | ChrisW1 | wols_: in any case, what does that excerpt I posted from syslog actually mean? |
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| 11:31.56 | wols_ | it means your PC send a command to your harddisk and the harddisk didn't answer |
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| 11:32.49 | Sparkie | Hello, can someone help me? -- I can't start compiz-fusion, What driver would I need? I'm running the nVidia 7300GS 256MB Graphics Card. |
| 11:33.03 | wols_ | !tell Sparkie about nvidia |
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| 11:33.28 | Sparkie | Seems to difficult for me. |
| 11:33.44 | babilen | c |
| 11:33.53 | babilen | s/c// |
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| 11:34.19 | Sparkie | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:34.21 | Sparkie | :S |
| 11:34.32 | wols_ | Sparkie: you are missing non-free and contrib sources |
| 11:34.39 | scummos | o_O i screwed something :) i did "chsh" as root, and changed my shell to "fish". now, "fish" is not valid (should be /usr/bin/fish) and i can't su to root any more to change this back. |
| 11:34.45 | scummos | what should i do? ^^ |
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| 11:35.04 | wols_ | scummos: do you have sudo installed and working? |
| 11:35.04 | Sparkie | ah, wols what are they? I know i have to paste them in /etc/apt/sources.list can give them to me please? |
| 11:35.16 | wols_ | !tell Sparkie about non-free |
| 11:35.39 | scummos | wols_: i'm apparently "not in the sudoers file" |
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| 11:36.17 | wols_ | scummos: reboot in single user mode |
| 11:36.24 | Sparkie | will deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:36.24 | Sparkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.33 | scummos | add an "S" to the kernel command line, wols_? |
| 11:36.44 | Sparkie | Nope. :| |
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| 11:37.10 | babilen | scummos: edit the sudoers file (man sudoers) and 'visudo' --> you probably want a line like "scummos ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 11:37.18 | Sparkie | What do I have to paste back in there again? |
| 11:37.47 | scummos | babilen: i can't. i don't have root access. :D |
| 11:38.00 | scummos | if i had, i would just edit /etc/passwd |
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| 11:38.22 | scummos | reboots single user |
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| 11:40.03 | agaran | hello, where i should fill bugreport if linux-image-2.6.30-2 do not increment module use count for forcedeth when interface is up ? (that allow to rmmod running interface) |
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| 11:40.29 | wols_ | agaran: run reportbug |
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| 11:40.57 | wols_ | agaran: however, your kernel is not a current debian kernel. upgrade it first |
| 11:41.16 | agaran | wols_: ok |
| 11:41.53 | agaran | wols_: my bad, its .26, and for lenny i don't see newer kernel (or update/upgrade don't see) |
| 11:42.24 | Sparkie | debian:/home/debian# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${2.6.26-2-686}-source |
| 11:42.25 | Sparkie | bash: nvidia-kernel${2.6.26-2-686}-source: bad substitution |
| 11:42.26 | Sparkie | debian:/home/debian# |
| 11:42.30 | wols_ | agaran: how do you know it's a bug? |
| 11:42.31 | Sparkie | Why does it do that? |
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| 11:42.43 | wols_ | Sparkie: caues what you typed is very wrong |
| 11:42.53 | Sparkie | Then what should I have typed? |
| 11:43.10 | Sparkie | Oh wait. |
| 11:43.11 | wols_ | you should have typed what was written |
| 11:43.17 | Sparkie | I've got it. |
| 11:43.43 | agaran | wols_: mod use cound should be incremented if you USE it, right? if you mount partition you get incremented filesystem module usage, |
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| 11:44.19 | scummos | fine, worked. thanks :) |
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| 11:47.39 | Sparkie | Worked good thanks. |
| 11:47.40 | Sparkie | Laters. |
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| 11:54.09 | km0ti0n | Is there a way tool that I can use to update the root passwd on a bunch of machines w/o having to manually access each of them to change it? |
| 11:54.34 | nsadmin | way cool may tool? |
| 11:54.47 | km0ti0n | heh |
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| 11:55.03 | km0ti0n | s/a way tool/a tool |
| 11:55.16 | nsadmin | usermod and crypt |
| 11:55.41 | P_B | Anyone here familiar with makejail? |
| 11:55.43 | nsadmin | use them together, latter to make something to feed to former |
| 11:56.32 | km0ti0n | nsadmin: sweet I'll giver that a go, I think I'll try it our first on some virtual server. |
| 11:56.38 | nsadmin | you will need access to each one's root user. |
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| 11:56.48 | nsadmin | if you don't have that, you're out of luck |
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| 11:57.10 | km0ti0n | nsadmin: aye. I'm not trying to get root rights on these boxes, I've already got that. |
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| 11:58.26 | km0ti0n | I'm just wating to mod the pass on all the boxes regularly, and ATM it's a pain to access 20 individual machines and do it. |
| 11:58.26 | km0ti0n | s/wating/wanting |
| 11:58.52 | km0ti0n | thanks nsadmin, big help |
| 11:58.57 | abrotman | km0ti0n: is this a one time thing ? |
| 11:58.58 | nsadmin | did it work? |
| 11:59.26 | nsadmin | not sure crypt is the right thing, I just noticed it's not installed on my box |
| 11:59.34 | nsadmin | , file bin/crypt |
| 11:59.36 | judd | bin/crypt in lenny/i386: mcrypt: usr/bin/crypt |
| 11:59.44 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:59.44 | Internat | echo "newpassword" |
| 11:59.44 | abrotman | nsadmin: the passwds are done with md5 now .. not salted |
| 11:59.49 | Internat | echo "newpassword" | passwd --stdin |
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| 12:00.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 12:01.32 | Internat | thats what i do |
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| 12:01.53 | Internat | only problem with it is that the password ends up in roots .bash_history |
| 12:02.25 | nsadmin | if you do that in a script, then the passwd would be in the script |
| 12:02.29 | nsadmin | but you could rm that |
| 12:02.51 | Internat | if you have a shared folder that would work |
| 12:03.20 | km0ti0n | No done it yet no, firing up my Virtual server ATM. |
| 12:03.33 | km0ti0n | bit paraniod about doing it on prod servers. |
| 12:03.37 | abrotman | km0ti0n: what about dsh or puppet/cfengine ? |
| 12:03.50 | abrotman | uh .. puppet/chef |
| 12:04.01 | abrotman | i guess cfengine might work too |
| 12:04.07 | km0ti0n | It's not really a one one-off thing no. |
| 12:04.14 | km0ti0n | But only like once a week. |
| 12:04.25 | abrotman | km0ti0n: a few dozen machines ? |
| 12:04.35 | km0ti0n | aye, 20 -22 |
| 12:04.47 | nsadmin | each machine gets the same root pw? |
| 12:04.52 | km0ti0n | aye |
| 12:05.03 | km0ti0n | on bash_history |
| 12:05.08 | abrotman | dsh is a distributed shell .. puppet/chef/cfengine are made for configuring a bunch of machines |
| 12:05.13 | nsadmin | (not the greatest thing btw... unless they're behind a nat) |
| 12:05.15 | wols_ | km0ti0n: synchronize the /etc/shadow files |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | if the users are the same ... |
| 12:06.01 | km0ti0n | All machines are behind a NAT, only 2 of the users are the same. |
| 12:06.09 | mezod | abrotman: just wanted to say i'm at the library and well you can see me here, hehe so it worked =) |
| 12:06.19 | km0ti0n | there are another bunch of users 5/6 on each that are unique |
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| 12:06.29 | abrotman | mezod: glad to see that .. i'm sure you're pretty happy! |
| 12:06.36 | nsadmin | so syncing wouldn't work |
| 12:06.42 | abrotman | km0ti0n: look at the two things i mentioned |
| 12:07.04 | km0ti0n | okay, puppet, chef and cfengine. |
| 12:07.10 | Internat | theres other ways to do it |
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| 12:07.38 | km0ti0n | I hae 2 boxes that don't have a bash)history |
| 12:07.38 | Internat | u can write an expect script so you dont have to worry about the password being written anywhere |
| 12:07.40 | abrotman | km0ti0n: dsh might be the first thing to look at .. probably involves less setup |
| 12:08.39 | km0ti0n | dsh, distributed shell right |
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| 12:10.01 | km0ti0n | okay. on the topic of bash_history. Where would bash have it's history if there was no bash_history file? |
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| 12:10.34 | abrotman | km0ti0n: you can set the HISTSIZE to 0 .. which basically truncates the file |
| 12:10.35 | km0ti0n | I have 2 boxes, fresh lenny installs, that I made the mistake of hmmering out the root pass befure su - |
| 12:10.55 | abrotman | you can also change the log file IIRC |
| 12:10.57 | votality | eh? |
| 12:11.00 | km0ti0n | But I looked for the history file and it's not there |
| 12:11.42 | abrotman | km0ti0n: echo $HISTFILE |
| 12:11.55 | votality | I made the mistake of hmmering out the root pass befure su ? |
| 12:12.13 | nsadmin | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmr! |
| 12:12.21 | km0ti0n | time |
| 12:12.32 | km0ti0n | Hammering, typing too fast |
| 12:12.51 | votality | and what you dont know your root pass |
| 12:12.58 | km0ti0n | no |
| 12:13.08 | km0ti0n | I don't want it in the history |
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| 12:13.13 | votality | oh right |
| 12:13.17 | nsadmin | votality scroll up and see what happened |
| 12:13.40 | votality | just change your pass |
| 12:14.11 | km0ti0n | no I was being retarted |
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| 12:14.26 | nsadmin | evidently... scroll up further... |
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| 12:14.33 | km0ti0n | s/retarted/retarded |
| 12:15.24 | km0ti0n | It is there, I was mispelling bash_history |
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| 12:15.41 | P_B | Does anyone know what makejail is actually doing when it says "executing file" after having copied each one? |
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| 12:16.11 | nsadmin | killing a file execution style? |
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| 12:16.20 | km0ti0n | heh |
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| 12:16.31 | km0ti0n | Standing it up agaist a wall with a hood on it head |
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| 12:17.47 | P_B | They haven't crossed me enough to deserve that. |
| 12:17.59 | P_B | (it's a less stupid question than it sounds, I promise) |
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| 12:19.57 | P_B | my best guess at this point is that it parses each one for references to other files that are important. Not quite sure how it determined that, but my question arises because it misinterpreted a single . character (in a commented line, no less) as a path, which caused the script to fail with an error. It can't be the only . it found in several thousand files, so I'm left wondering what it actually does. |
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| 12:22.30 | lxsameer | hi i need the i need this driver for my ethernet Atheros Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0) . it is in kernel , how can i install that in debian way ? |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | lxsameer: usb or pci ? |
| 12:22.50 | lxsameer | pci |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | lxsameer: lspci -nn | grep Atheros |
| 12:23.01 | abrotman | show us that line |
| 12:23.46 | lxsameer | abrotman: sorry but i'm not in that pc . i'm sure that i should use that driver |
| 12:23.57 | abrotman | you didn't list a driver ? |
| 12:24.43 | lxsameer | abrotman: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC_701 , here is the outputs |
| 12:25.10 | abrotman | still doesn't hvae what i'm asking for |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about eeepc |
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| 12:25.36 | abrotman | ah, you need the atl2 .. say that next time |
| 12:25.47 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about atl2 |
| 12:25.56 | daedaluz | votality: what was that you said about "m-a prepare?" I installed DKMS normally but looks like somethign is still missing |
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| 12:26.25 | lxsameer | abrotman: i installed debian before in it but i don't want to compile kernel , is there any way to use the same kernel with ethernet driver |
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| 12:26.47 | abrotman | lxsameer: did you read what the bot told you ? |
| 12:27.11 | lxsameer | abrotman: yeah of course , but i installed squeeze |
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| 12:27.31 | votality | wot where |
| 12:27.44 | votality | apt-get install build-essential module-assistant |
| 12:27.48 | abrotman | lxsameer: then you already have that driver |
| 12:27.53 | abrotman | votality: how does that help? |
| 12:27.55 | votality | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.06 | votality | sh /media/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run |
| 12:28.23 | votality | it wont build the modules if you dont do that |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | are you on drugs? |
| 12:28.58 | nsadmin | abrotman: no, he;s just not listeining |
| 12:28.59 | abrotman | lxsameer: $ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name atl2.ko ... does it return anything ? |
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| 12:29.19 | votality | why am i on drugs |
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| 12:29.35 | nsadmin | sounds like a personal question... |
| 12:29.51 | nsadmin | or the title of an essay |
| 12:30.34 | votality | i just want his great answer flaming back saying his stupid becuase if you dont do that they dont build |
| 12:30.47 | votality | i just want his great answer so i can flame back saying his stupid becuase if you dont do that they dont build |
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| 12:30.58 | abrotman | votality: what do you think he's trying to build? |
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| 12:31.10 | nsadmin | hey willis, I think they said he already has it... |
| 12:31.15 | votality | when you run the guest additions it builds modules |
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| 12:31.24 | votality | when you run the guest additions (script) it builds modules |
| 12:31.26 | abrotman | votality: what do you think he's trying to build? |
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| 12:32.16 | km0ti0n | the kernel |
| 12:32.25 | daedaluz | votality: well thing is I did that but guest additions are still not building |
| 12:32.38 | votality | oh i didnt read his question |
| 12:32.49 | nsadmin | hello! |
| 12:32.50 | votality | you did it as root |
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| 12:33.08 | votality | and you did reboot |
| 12:33.12 | daedaluz | yes |
| 12:33.20 | votality | also did you check the services are running ? |
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| 12:33.51 | manixor | Hi all. |
| 12:34.03 | daedaluz | error: implicit declaration of function signal_pending |
| 12:34.06 | votality | vboxadd vboxadd-service vboxadd-x11 |
| 12:34.15 | votality | in /etc/init.d/ |
| 12:35.21 | manixor | I have a ntfs partition, and I always need to do ntfsmont /dev/sda2 /mnt/mypart after System boot. How can I set that partition to remain mounted, or to ntfsmount when system boot? |
| 12:35.37 | daedaluz | I fail to see how they could be there as the addons didn't install |
| 12:35.51 | llutz | manixor: add it to /etc/fstab |
| 12:35.55 | votality | just check if the damn service is running |
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| 12:36.04 | votality | if not try to start it |
| 12:36.11 | votality | it will say no i cant missing module |
| 12:36.14 | votality | if its missing |
| 12:36.20 | wols_ | wonders what "services" are? |
| 12:36.30 | daedaluz | yea modprobe says it's FATAL |
| 12:36.41 | nsadmin | oriental massage? |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | wols_: this is clearly a language you don't speak |
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| 12:37.19 | wols_ | abrotman: I feel so inadequate *sob* |
| 12:37.43 | wols_ | daedaluz: where did you get the vbox guest additions? and how did you try to compile them? |
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| 12:39.01 | daedaluz | wols_: from devices > install guest additions. then just su && sh <dat-file.sh> |
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| 12:41.04 | wols_ | daedaluz: and the error(s) were what? |
| 12:41.40 | manixor | llutz I added this line in /etc/fstab: /dev/sda2 /mnt/man ntfs defaults 0 0, and nothing, I reboot my System, and the partition is not mounted. |
| 12:42.28 | llutz | manixor: /mnt/man exists? |
| 12:42.38 | manixor | llutz Yes. |
| 12:43.27 | abrotman | llutz: ls -al /mnt/man/ ? |
| 12:43.55 | manixor | llutz If I go with root, on console on /mnt/man, it's there, the partition is there. |
| 12:43.56 | daedaluz | wols_: first error in log says bad return status for modul build on kernel |
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| 12:44.13 | wols_ | daedaluz: pastebin it. all of it |
| 12:44.25 | llutz | manixor: to use ntfs as user, you need to mount it with uid/gid options |
| 12:44.27 | wols_ | daedaluz: cause what you say is the first error, isn't |
| 12:44.27 | manixor | But if i go graphically, I can't access it. |
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| 12:44.48 | wols_ | !tell manixor about vfatrw |
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| 12:45.02 | llutz | ntfs |
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| 12:45.07 | pav5088 | does anyone know how virtual packages are represented? I'm having problems installing the sid version of php5-imagick because it relies on a virtual package, and this virtual package is unavailable in squeeze. |
| 12:45.14 | wols_ | llutz: the problem is exactly the same |
| 12:45.19 | pav5088 | I've installed a package which provides this virtual package, but I still can't install php5-imagick |
| 12:45.31 | pav5088 | Is the virtual package information not part of a deb |
| 12:45.34 | pav5088 | ??? |
| 12:45.37 | wols_ | pav5088: mixing branches is bad |
| 12:45.45 | wols_ | do a backport |
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| 12:47.01 | P_B | hrm. has /etc/default/rsyslog replaced /etc/default/syslogd in lenny? |
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| 12:49.02 | jelly-hme | P_B: fresh installation uses rsyslog if that's what you're asking |
| 12:49.17 | P_B | yes, thanks |
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| 12:49.42 | daedaluz | wols_: most likely they'll develop something better. |
| 12:50.03 | wols_ | daedaluz: who does? |
| 12:50.10 | daedaluz | wols_: sorry, unable to copypaste between virtualbox & host. .. |
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| 12:50.30 | daedaluz | wols_: pastebin.ca/1839264 |
| 12:50.36 | rgr | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html |
| 12:50.48 | wols_ | does your vbox guest have internet access? |
| 12:50.58 | wols_ | if so, you can make a pastebin entry |
| 12:51.29 | daedaluz | wols_: see abov |
| 12:52.28 | wols_ | daedaluz: see what? |
| 12:52.40 | wols_ | network access has nothing to do with guest additions |
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| 12:54.04 | daedaluz | wols_: pastebin.ca/1839264 << see that |
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| 12:55.52 | wols_ | daedaluz: line 75 is very informative. why didn't you do this on your own? |
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| 12:56.02 | manixor | wols_ I add this line: /dev/sda2 /mnt/man vfat defaults,manixor,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0, and steel not working, is something wrong? Afther defaults, need to be user, of the name of user? |
| 12:56.24 | manixor | If the type is ntfs, steel vfat need to be? |
| 12:56.34 | wols_ | no it's not the name of the user but actually "user" |
| 12:56.48 | wols_ | no it doesn't need to be vfat. vfat won't work for ntfs partitions |
| 12:57.02 | wols_ | manixor: is it mounted? if so, with what permissions? |
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| 13:00.10 | daedaluz | wols_: you are implying I didn't download kernel sources and run what line 16 says |
| 13:00.37 | daedaluz | it's just that working on 800x640 resolution is a bitch |
| 13:00.52 | wols_ | no. I'm implying you didn't read the output of that command properly which you should have done before even asking here |
| 13:01.00 | wols_ | so what's in that file? |
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| 13:06.02 | daedaluz | wols_: dunno. bunch of garbage about erros. giving up. |
| 13:06.10 | fupp | I'm getting a large amount of alsa errors all the time.. I think it started when I did dist-upgrade.. like ALSA lib conf.c:4633:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or directory |
| 13:06.10 | fupp | ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default |
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| 13:06.55 | przemoc | hi, I am using lenny and have problems with 1. interface fonts in qt/kde applications looking too crispy, 2. fonts rendered in okular looking just awful (and also crisp). how can it be solved? |
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| 13:10.54 | manixor | wols_ I succeed, thanks. |
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| 13:23.42 | manixor | wols_ I set umask 002 and i don't have permission to write in it, is normal? |
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| 13:24.38 | wols_ | manixor: what are the permissions ls -al /mountpoint |
| 13:25.16 | manixor | wols_ drwxrwxr-x 1 manixor manixor 4096 2010-03-14 14:31 man |
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| 13:26.24 | wols_ | manixor: what does "mount" say? |
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| 13:27.36 | manixor | wols_ /dev/sda2 on /mnt/man type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002) |
| 13:28.16 | wols_ | then you should be able to write to it just fine |
| 13:28.41 | manixor | wols_ This I get on creating new folder: Error "Operation not permitted" creating new folder. |
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| 13:29.02 | manixor | I will reboot |
| 13:29.59 | valdyn | manugg: ntfs does not have proper write support |
| 13:30.14 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:32.05 | wols_ | valdyn: how do you mount something with ntfsmount via fstab? |
| 13:32.22 | valdyn | wols_: i dont know that command, i use ntfs-3g |
| 13:32.31 | wols_ | !ntfsmount |
| 13:32.31 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 13:32.46 | km0ti0n | grrr, damn windows users. I've forggot the command to remove /r's from /n/r in files that have edited by a windows user. |
| 13:32.52 | valdyn | wols_: and ntfs-3g or ntfs3g, i dont remember, works in fstab |
| 13:33.23 | wols_ | I know, but ntfs-3g is afaik outdated |
| 13:33.43 | valdyn | wols_: from the manpage: mount -t fuse.ntfs device mount_point [-o options] |
| 13:33.52 | valdyn | wols_: so i guess fuse.ntfs should work in fstab |
| 13:34.16 | valdyn | wols_: ehe, and the fstab entry is just below that |
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| 13:34.45 | hellyeah | hey |
| 13:34.52 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error |
| 13:34.58 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16296 |
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| 13:38.00 | valdyn | !dos2unix |
| 13:38.00 | dpkg | hmm... dos2unix is a tool for converting from DOS line endings (CR LF) to Unix line endings (LF). The dos2unix (and unix2dos) utilities are in the tofrodos package. For other methods, ask me about <crlf->unix>. |
| 13:38.00 | manixor | wols_ This is my permission: drwxrwxr-x 1 manixor manixor 4096 2010-03-14 14:31 date, and when I try to make a directory I get: mkdir: cannot create directory `aaa': Operation not permitted, what is wrong? |
| 13:38.16 | valdyn | manugg: you need to use fuse.ntfs as filesystem, not ntfs |
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| 13:46.03 | manixor | What I need to put on type, ntfs or HPFS/NTFS? |
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| 13:46.24 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/16297 |
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| 13:46.59 | hellyeah | pls i need help |
| 13:48.29 | nsadmin | what were you doing when that message came up |
| 13:48.29 | wols_ | nsadmin: he obviously was compiling a nvidia kernel module |
| 13:48.31 | RichiH | did anyone ever try to spin down his/her spare hdds? i am trying to shut two drives down and they just keep on restarting themselves..: http://paste.debian.net/64203/ |
| 13:48.44 | wols_ | and since he#s running sid or such he should know about the BTS, but he obviously doesn't |
| 13:48.47 | hellyeah | m-a update m-a prepare m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 13:49.05 | wols_ | RichiH: nothing on them doing accesses? |
| 13:49.28 | RichiH | wols_: they are not even mounted |
| 13:49.29 | nsadmin | wols_: ahh... my bad. I stopped reading the moment I realized he didn't supply the full complete command line |
| 13:50.13 | manixor | wols_ This is on /etc/fstab: /dev/sda2 /mnt/date ntfs defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0, and I steel can't write in it. I tried with umask=000, and nothing, and i tried with fuse.ntfs on type, and nothing, other suggestion? |
| 13:50.44 | hellyeah | each time i installed debian i suffer from debian |
| 13:50.51 | wols_ | manixor: you could use ntfs-3g /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 13:50.53 | arvind_khadri | manixor, dont you think it must be ntfs-3g |
| 13:51.08 | wols_ | arvind_khadri: no it must not. /msg dpkg ntfsmount |
| 13:51.10 | arvind_khadri | !tell manixor about ntfs-3g |
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| 13:52.08 | P_B | is that some new malady? :P |
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| 13:53.05 | arvind_khadri | wols_, you should be looking at it. |
| 13:55.51 | wols_ | arvind_khadri: you should look at ntfsmount. and notice how I told manixor before you about ntfs-3g |
| 13:57.37 | nsadmin | hellyeah: while I do want to chase the attitude away, I don't mean to chase you away... but comments like that don't inspire helpers |
| 13:58.13 | TomyLobo | how do i get a recursive list of *complete* filenames matching a pattern? |
| 13:58.29 | TomyLobo | like "dir /s /b *.foo" on windows |
| 13:58.30 | nsadmin | look into find |
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| 13:59.00 | llutz | TomyLobo: ls -lRa *.foo |
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| 13:59.27 | vyrgozunqk | is away: Gone away for now |
| 13:59.47 | leejongwook | [Q] Can I ask about applications too ? that runs on Debian/Lenny ? |
| 13:59.50 | nsadmin | I'm not even going to -start- thinking about windows dir command... if you really want to know specific, you're going to have to describe this dir command using english text |
| 13:59.58 | petemc | leejongwook: yes |
| 14:00.02 | leejongwook | :) |
| 14:00.03 | TomyLobo | llutz nope |
| 14:00.13 | TomyLobo | that doesn't show complete filenames |
| 14:00.22 | petemc | TomyLobo: it should |
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| 14:00.32 | TomyLobo | but it doesn't |
| 14:00.32 | nsadmin | define "complete filename" |
| 14:00.39 | TomyLobo | fully qualified |
| 14:00.39 | petemc | TomyLobo: do you mean you want the path as well? |
| 14:00.45 | llutz | TomyLobo: it does, you mean path+filename |
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| 14:00.53 | TomyLobo | well what else would i mean by "complete"? |
| 14:00.54 | vyrgozunqk | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 14:00.58 | nsadmin | oh, just put it in a for loop and prepent $(pwd) |
| 14:01.01 | TomyLobo | what would an incomplete filename be? |
| 14:01.02 | leejongwook | [Q] Settings -> Advanced -> URL Handlers -> Name: Firefox, Command: !firefox -a firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab -> Save -> Open it again -> Empty....I can't open firefox with all of the links in xchat. Instead I see text based web browser(elinks)....It was Ok with gnome, but don't work with icewm, wmii, dwm, etc...(Don't know about KDE)....Debian Lenny + icewm + Xchat 2.8.6 + Firefox 3.6....$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser;... |
| 14:01.02 | leejongwook | .. (stdout) : *+ 3 /usr/local/firefox/firefox |
| 14:01.10 | hellyeah | nsadmin, |
| 14:01.15 | hellyeah | i aste the error |
| 14:01.19 | hellyeah | aste* |
| 14:01.19 | petemc | TomyLobo: a filename is the name of the file, the path is where it is, they are differemnt |
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| 14:01.26 | hellyeah | paste sorry |
| 14:01.30 | vyrgozunqk | is away: Gone away for now |
| 14:01.31 | hellyeah | why it doesnt wokr |
| 14:01.38 | TomyLobo | nsadmin recursive |
| 14:01.44 | petemc | TomyLobo: find . -iname \*.foo |
| 14:01.59 | TomyLobo | thanks |
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| 14:02.50 | TomyLobo | "find `pwd` -iname \*.foo" worked |
| 14:03.03 | petemc | . is shorter that `pwd` |
| 14:03.06 | nsadmin | oh nice |
| 14:03.10 | petemc | /at/an/ |
| 14:03.24 | nsadmin | yes but his way prints fq pathnames |
| 14:03.35 | nsadmin | which is what he asked for |
| 14:03.40 | petemc | so does mine |
| 14:04.08 | themill | vyrgozunqk: please turn off public away notifications. We don't care. |
| 14:04.20 | llutz | petemc: . will show realative starting from "." |
| 14:04.37 | TomyLobo | petemc but not equivalent |
| 14:04.39 | leejongwook | hi ~ :P |
| 14:04.41 | nsadmin | no, it prints ./whatever |
| 14:04.44 | hellyeah | pls help |
| 14:05.06 | nsadmin | which is sort of redundant way of doing relative path |
| 14:05.20 | nsadmin | ./foo == foo |
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| 14:05.40 | TomyLobo | i dont want a relative path either :) |
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| 14:07.12 | nsadmin | TomyLobo btw it would take me a minnit to come up with how you did it |
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| 14:07.19 | nsadmin | quite efficient |
| 14:08.10 | TomyLobo | hmm is there any command i can pipe text to and it'd end up in the clipboard? |
| 14:08.20 | llutz | xclip |
| 14:08.24 | TomyLobo | thanks |
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| 14:08.34 | TomyLobo | xclipboard? |
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| 14:08.46 | nsadmin | no, xclip |
| 14:08.53 | llutz | xclip <- |
| 14:09.13 | TomyLobo | ok i'll probably need to install that then |
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| 14:09.24 | nsadmin | emmadently! |
| 14:09.34 | cusco | hi |
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| 14:10.26 | cusco | for some reason, when I boot up today, xorg log is stating: NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x768"; removing. |
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| 14:10.38 | thirst | hi guys |
| 14:10.46 | cusco | hi |
| 14:10.51 | cusco | also says: Mar 14 14:08:28 NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-1 |
| 14:10.57 | cusco | its not a crt, its a lcd |
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| 14:11.11 | thirst | i have an system with 8gb ram.. i was contemplating installing 32-bit-debian with pae or 64-bit .. what do you think is best? |
| 14:11.19 | llutz | cusco: but at analog-port of graphics board |
| 14:11.32 | cusco | llutz: yes... |
| 14:11.34 | mrbob009 | anyone? > why do i need to define my model (class) in code before i reference to it - for using foreignkey? |
| 14:11.38 | cusco | I don't have a dvi cable right now |
| 14:12.01 | llutz | cusco: so nvidia says CRT because it cannot detect the difference |
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| 14:12.16 | Sm0ke0ut | thirst; 64 is quite obvious as 32bit doesn't parse more then 4GB |
| 14:12.18 | cusco | llutz: ok no problem there, I guess it has always been like that |
| 14:12.23 | llutz | it has |
| 14:12.28 | cusco | but i would sucessfully use 1280x768 |
| 14:12.51 | leejongwook | I have NVIDIA too :P |
| 14:12.51 | thirst | Sm0ke0ut: but what about with pae.. how bad will that be.. |
| 14:13.07 | wols_ | thirst: do you have a task that needs >3GB RAM? |
| 14:13.20 | wols_ | thirst: you don't want to use PAR but a AMD64 kernel |
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| 14:13.34 | wols_ | *PAE |
| 14:13.41 | leejongwook | <-- This one got nvidia 5200 and nvidia 8600 |
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| 14:14.09 | cusco | cool leejongwook |
| 14:14.26 | thirst | wols_: i dont think i have a task which has >3GB ram.. but i have not used 64-bit linux much.. and was wondering about the application compatibility.. |
| 14:14.30 | leejongwook | I installed graphic driver successfully on both :) It was easy @_@ |
| 14:14.33 | Sm0ke0ut | PAE is only usefull for systems which doesn't support 64bit... |
| 14:14.46 | Sm0ke0ut | if your system does support 64bit, go for 64bit as it's way better |
| 14:15.00 | wols_ | Sm0ke0ut: better how? |
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| 14:15.18 | leejongwook | <--- didn't know how to install drivers for ATI, so i bought nvidia @_@ |
| 14:15.25 | wols_ | thirst: the problem with 64bit is only closed source software. |
| 14:15.25 | leejongwook | (used one) |
| 14:15.56 | Sm0ke0ut | even in that case you can still install the ia32-libs... |
| 14:15.58 | wols_ | as for 64bit debian, it's not needed. unless you have very specific tasks, you won't notice a difference |
| 14:16.18 | thirst | wols_: yup.. you are right..but we always end up wanting to use some closed source stuff right.> :) like say flash is not available for 64 bit.. last i heard right.. |
| 14:16.22 | wols_ | thirst: just use a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland |
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| 14:16.39 | przemoc | for better understanding of my problem, I have a uploaded screenshot showing this flawed fonts in okular: http://www.pict.com/view/3116509/800/evincevsokular |
| 14:16.43 | Sm0ke0ut | flash supports 64bit :-) |
| 14:16.48 | Sm0ke0ut | not sure when you lat checked |
| 14:16.53 | Sm0ke0ut | last* |
| 14:17.33 | thirst | Sm0ke0ut: just googled this one - http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
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| 14:18.00 | thirst | Sm0ke0ut:http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/6b3af6c9.html |
| 14:18.18 | Sm0ke0ut | it works fine for me |
| 14:19.02 | thirst | Sm0ke0ut: that is good news.. |
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| 14:19.34 | cusco | thirst: I alsy use a amd64 kernel.. |
| 14:19.49 | cusco | I rememebr I had few troubles with something.. not sure if it was java.. |
| 14:20.05 | cusco | anyway i installed 32-libs or something like that and everything worked OK |
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| 14:21.45 | thirst | Sm0ke0ut: one more question .. do you use amd64 too ? |
| 14:21.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: why is python-apt not in testing |
| 14:21.53 | dpkg | python-apt is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python-apt |
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| 14:22.09 | thirst | cusco: that's nice.. maybe i will go for amd64 too.. |
| 14:22.24 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 14:22.40 | leejongwook | amd <-- is this good with linux ? |
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| 14:23.05 | wols_ | leejongwook: do you have a debian related question? |
| 14:23.19 | leejongwook | i use debian :) and have many question :P |
| 14:23.36 | thirst | cool.. thanks wols_ Sm0ke0ut cusco .. be back on irc from my amd64 .. :) have a good day |
| 14:23.41 | thirst | bye |
| 14:23.43 | wols_ | then don't stray OT please |
| 14:24.01 | leejongwook | OT ? |
| 14:24.16 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.58 | nsadmin | you're known for this... you tend to go OT sometimes, someone calls you on it, then you leave in a huff... |
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| 14:25.25 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 14:25.31 | cusco | hi |
| 14:25.46 | Quibus | I'm trying to record my voice with my microphone, but i can't hear anything, no matter what input source I select |
| 14:25.57 | cusco | is it not muted? |
| 14:26.07 | cusco | in alsamixer use 'm' to mute/unmute |
| 14:26.09 | Quibus | My recording channels seem to auto-mute. When I unmute the and open the volume control again, it's showing as muted again |
| 14:26.53 | frikinz | what app can rip cd and get all the tags from a server? I'm now using cdparanoia but I will miss the idtag |
| 14:26.56 | frikinz | ? |
| 14:26.58 | Quibus | I mean "toggle audio recording from..." |
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| 14:27.10 | Quibus | frikinz: try sound-juicer |
| 14:27.10 | cahoot | frikinz: abcde for one |
| 14:27.28 | frikinz | thanks |
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| 14:28.24 | frikinz | this chan is by far the best to get quick answers |
| 14:28.24 | cusco | Im not getting trough loading 1028x768 .. I can't figure why |
| 14:28.30 | cusco | It always loaded ... |
| 14:29.09 | themill | frikinz: but if you're running ubuntu, you'll get better answers in #ubuntu. |
| 14:29.33 | Quibus | i simply don't get anything in |
| 14:29.47 | Quibus | When I unmute the mic for playback, I do hear myself ticking on the mic |
| 14:29.50 | twisted` | themill: yeah but all smart ubuntu users cheat and just go here |
| 14:29.51 | Quibus | But recording: zippo |
| 14:29.58 | frikinz | themill, I asked but the question is still unanswered. I switched to ubuntu only on this laptop because of my ati |
| 14:30.10 | frikinz | is ashamed |
| 14:30.22 | themill | frikinz: not our problem. Please confine your questions to #ubuntu if you are running ubuntu. |
| 14:30.34 | twisted` | frikinz: nah I do it too when I'm havin some crazy ubuntu error which has the same package version in debian :p |
| 14:30.50 | twisted` | frikinz: but really, debian is much nicer actually |
| 14:31.00 | twisted` | breaks your system completely once in a while when running unstable :p |
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| 14:31.12 | frikinz | themill, this is not specific ubuntu and I also have debian. this is gnome specific. |
| 14:31.22 | twisted` | frikinz: then ask in #gnome is the next respond |
| 14:31.31 | twisted` | off to break his system in gentoo again, bbl |
| 14:31.32 | themill | frikinz: then ask #gnome or ##linux. Seriously. This isn't a point for argument. |
| 14:31.51 | frikinz | humffff |
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| 14:31.57 | babilen | frikinz: regarding #gnome - the active channels for gnome are on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:32.06 | mezod | which man command should i look to get info about setuid/setgid and stickybit? |
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| 14:32.30 | babilen | frikinz: Another nice thing about Debian is that you get support in #debian ;) |
| 14:32.56 | llutz | mezod: chmod |
| 14:33.21 | nsadmin | or info coreutils and look for "file permissions" |
| 14:33.26 | simonrvn | frikinz: we can smell the ubutu users as soon as tey come inn |
| 14:34.06 | mezod | ok thanks both |
| 14:34.32 | simonrvn | wah, sorry 'bout typos, lag |
| 14:35.04 | frikinz | Even if I have been and am still debian fanatic (my friend call me ayatola) for years, this kind of behaviour of you guys make me laugh. I prefer supporting ubuntu than windows.. |
| 14:35.22 | themill | frikinz: at least respect our preference to support debian users. If we wanted to support ubuntu users, we'd be in #ubuntu answering questions there. |
| 14:36.21 | simonrvn | frikinz: laugh all you want. why should we spend time supporting non-debian-but-based-odebian distrhere? no one would get any rest. |
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| 14:37.16 | themill | thinks this non-argument has gone on for more than long enough |
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| 14:39.23 | simonrvn | comes down to respect, like themill said. if people can't respect the people in the channel, they should gtfo. you don't and won't see me asking perl question in #python, or debian questions in #ubuntu. </2 smokes> |
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| 14:40.01 | mezod | nsadmin: sorry i'm not pretty sure how should i move around the info coreutils,.. i get this "* Directory Setuid and Setgid:: Set-user-ID and set-group-ID on directories." |
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| 14:40.27 | manixor | How can I install my web cam Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd USB 2.0 Camera? |
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| 14:40.53 | wols_ | manixor: find out the USB ID and google for it |
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| 14:41.25 | manixor | wols_ How can I find it? |
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| 14:41.33 | nsadmin | hilite that and hit enter |
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| 14:41.46 | wols_ | manixor: lsusb |
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| 14:42.00 | manixor | This is: ID 04f2:b008 ? |
| 14:42.16 | frikinz | respect and gtfo are not really compatible.. I ask a question about how to rip a cd in debian (nobody said I'm ripping from the same machine as where my xchat is running) and somebody tells me to go to #ubuntu. Gimme a break. Time for me to patch my xchat to avoid such kiddish discussion |
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| 14:44.22 | wols_ | manixor: yes it is |
| 14:44.51 | manixor | wols_ It's possible to not exist driver for it? |
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| 14:45.22 | wols_ | have you googled it? |
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| 14:47.46 | manixor | wols_ Yes, I need to look for an Debian package, write? |
| 14:47.54 | orson | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.07 | wols_ | if possible yes. you also need to check if the ewbcam is already supported out of the box |
| 14:48.28 | wols_ | manixor: do you know what you need to look for in a debian package for your webcam? |
| 14:48.46 | manixor | Not really... :( |
| 14:48.49 | wols_ | orson: I suggest #iptables |
| 14:49.09 | wols_ | manixor: what did your google search tell you? |
| 14:49.38 | dutchfish | orson: something like iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level 4 |
| 14:50.47 | dutchfish | orson: that is bfore the DROP part |
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| 14:52.13 | dutchfish | orson: easely to check: tail -f /var/log/iptables.log |
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| 14:53.20 | orson | dutchfish: thx, will check |
| 14:53.37 | frikinz | thanks themill |
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| 15:00.23 | oreo | Hey everyone! Is it possible to have multiple 6to4 tunnels on a machine? If so, how? Thanks. |
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| 15:01.29 | nsadmin | find out how to add the first one... then add one more |
| 15:01.49 | oreo | nsadmin: i've added one |
| 15:01.55 | oreo | but i can't add another |
| 15:01.57 | ThaiCoconut | I have used 100% of disk space on /usr |
| 15:01.57 | manixor | wols_ i found something about uvc, I need to install this? |
| 15:02.04 | oreo | if i change the iface name, it says it can't be brought up |
| 15:02.12 | oreo | if i keep the same name, duplicate name error |
| 15:02.44 | ThaiCoconut | I used 7900188k of space on /usr, which is 100% |
| 15:02.59 | ThaiCoconut | how do I see which files take up all the space? |
| 15:03.26 | frikinz | what are the possiblities to have a ati 4650 in debian? with/without 3d? #ati is quite mute |
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| 15:06.06 | brianskywalker | hello, how can i change the default grub boot? |
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| 15:08.02 | manixor | wols_ I found this: "Linux 2.6.26 and newer includes the Linux UVC driver natively." So this means that my web cam driver is installed? But why I can't use in in Skype? |
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| 15:09.10 | themill | frikinz: "/msg dpkg fglrx" and see which versions of the driver are in debian and which cards they support. It's a bit of a grey area at present especially as ATI hasn't released drivers for recent xorg. |
| 15:09.11 | wols_ | !skype |
| 15:09.11 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 15:09.32 | babilen | manixor: which architecture are you using? does it work in cheese? |
| 15:09.35 | oreo | seems i got it right in the end =) |
| 15:09.57 | cahoot | manixor: could use cheese to make sure the cam actually 'works |
| 15:09.57 | manixor | babilen This is what I use: Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny4) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 22:29:32 UTC 2010 |
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| 15:10.38 | manixor | Yes, work on cheese |
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| 15:11.02 | babilen | manixor: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=411441 |
| 15:12.10 | babilen | manixor: in a nutshell: "cp /usr/bin/skype /usr/bin/skype.real" "$EDITOR /usr/bin/skype" "#!/bin/bash\nLD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype.real" |
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| 15:12.35 | babilen | manixor: ask in the skype forums for more support. also make sure that you have ia32-libs installed |
| 15:13.05 | babilen | manixor: \n == newline |
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| 15:13.35 | lxsameer | hi , i'm installed squeeze . but i can't log into my box with any username and password that i build in install time |
| 15:13.49 | wols_ | lxsameer: can you log in with root? |
| 15:13.59 | lxsameer | wols_: no |
| 15:14.11 | wols_ | then start in single user mode and try |
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| 15:14.26 | wols_ | if that doesn't work init=/bin/bash will |
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| 15:15.01 | lxsameer | wols_: thanks |
| 15:15.44 | wols_ | it won't solve your problem but lets you examine the problem |
| 15:16.47 | lxsameer | wols_: when i try single user mode , i get an info message that say root account is locked |
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| 15:17.46 | manixor | babilen If I type $EDITOR /usr/bin/skype, in console, the skype is started and cam works, why? |
| 15:17.52 | wols_ | as I said: init=/bin/bash |
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| 15:18.25 | manixor | babilen and the third command, where I need to use it? |
| 15:18.47 | babilen | manixor: $EDITOR was meant as "replace $EDITOR with an editor of your choice". No idea if it works that way for you. But this is OT in here ... |
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| 15:20.26 | mezod | is there any place to look what's every field of an answer to a command? for example in 'ls -l' how can i know what's the number behind the permissions? |
| 15:20.59 | babilen | manixor: see pm |
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| 15:21.10 | nsadmin | mezod: man ls |
| 15:22.21 | ziggy | i have windows7 and a linux partition, when i install *buntu in the linux partition i have no trouble dualbooting, but when install testing, grub doesnt let me boot from windows, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 15:22.48 | wols_ | ziggy: what error(s)? |
| 15:22.57 | nsadmin | ziggy: try stable |
| 15:22.59 | nervousTwitch | i had to run update-grub to get the partition to show |
| 15:23.06 | ziggy | i dont get any errors, it simply doesnt show up in the grub menu |
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| 15:23.42 | ziggy | nervous, when you ran update, then it showed? |
| 15:23.46 | nervousTwitch | yes |
| 15:23.53 | ziggy | ill give it a try |
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| 15:24.23 | nsadmin | update-grub, btw |
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| 15:25.41 | brianskywalker | hello, how can i change the default grub boot? |
| 15:26.06 | nsadmin | look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:27.00 | mezod | nsadmin: i cant find what i said on man ls |
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| 15:28.43 | nsadmin | keep reading] |
| 15:28.46 | brianskywalker | nsadmin: i have but can't seem to make any changes work |
| 15:29.06 | nsadmin | do you have /boot/grub/default? |
| 15:29.32 | nsadmin | what changes did you make? what did you do to apply the changes |
| 15:29.32 | brianskywalker | ahh, oh i seem to |
| 15:30.06 | mezod | i read everything even the coreutils :S |
| 15:30.06 | brianskywalker | i reordered the list, but it didn't change anything when i rebooted |
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| 15:30.42 | nsadmin | so you made changes inside the "magic" list? |
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| 15:31.07 | brianskywalker | nsadmin: i guess, it didn't seem to do anything so i changed it back |
| 15:31.43 | nsadmin | ok, you'll see some parameters that appear to be commented (do NOT uncomment them, just look at them for now) |
| 15:32.05 | brianskywalker | ok |
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| 15:33.35 | simonrvn | that's grub2 no? you need to run update-grub after changing /etc/default/grub . |
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| 15:33.51 | brianskywalker | simonrvn: oh |
| 15:34.01 | brianskywalker | though will reording the list work |
| 15:34.04 | brianskywalker | ? |
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| 15:34.24 | simonrvn | don't edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg , it gets overwritten. |
| 15:34.28 | zimba12 | hi |
| 15:34.45 | simonrvn | if you need to tweak something do it in /etc/grub.d . |
| 15:34.47 | zimba12 | anyone using lenny on a lemote fuloong 6004? |
| 15:35.05 | dimbit | any ideas why my freshly upgraded system now running squeeze wants to remove a load of kde packages when I try to install anything that needs python-kde4? |
| 15:35.08 | nsadmin | renny on a lemote?? |
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| 15:35.46 | wols_ | !tell zimba12 about anyone |
| 15:35.52 | brianskywalker | simonrvn: well actually there are two kernals and the newer kernal doesn't display anything after starting xdm. so i want it to default to the older version which works fine |
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| 15:36.51 | zimba12 | nsadmin, debiam on a lemote machine |
| 15:36.55 | zimba12 | *debian |
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| 15:37.05 | babilen | !tell manixor -about desktop groups |
| 15:37.12 | nsadmin | what's lemote mean? |
| 15:37.36 | babilen | nsadmin: google for it. it's a mini computer |
| 15:37.38 | wols_ | ziggy: ask your real question |
| 15:37.54 | babilen | manixor: Add yourself to the "video" group (and all other applicable groups) |
| 15:37.55 | simonrvn | 'kernel'; actuallyi haven't needed to do that so i don't know how to do that except re-ordering the symlinks in /boot , perhaps. |
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| 15:38.48 | zimba12 | I tried to start the kernel, but it freezes right after the beginning |
| 15:38.56 | brianskywalker | Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.32-trunk-486 |
| 15:38.59 | wols_ | simonrvn: it has a default setting |
| 15:39.03 | brianskywalker | Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 15:39.23 | brianskywalker | it defaults to 32-trunk which doesn't work |
| 15:39.39 | simonrvn | wols_: ok |
| 15:39.39 | babilen | zimba12: The installer? |
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| 15:40.24 | Sebby | hello,i need to install Debian on a P3 and i have only 2 empty CDs (2x700MB) and i saw there is debian netinst , is it good for me to install it if i have a PPPOE connection? |
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| 15:41.10 | simonrvn | wols_: i wasn't sure if grub2 did defaults anymore |
| 15:41.25 | zimba12 | babilen, yeah. I copied it on a usb disk |
| 15:41.32 | wols_ | Sebby: yes. after installation make sure you have pppoeconf and ppp installed. then run pppoeconf |
| 15:42.09 | zimba12 | babilen, I tried to load the kernel from the bios and after few seconds it freezes |
| 15:42.40 | babilen | zimba12: Which architecture did you download? |
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| 15:43.04 | zimba12 | mipsel |
| 15:43.19 | nsadmin | Sebby: this also assumes your network hardware has a driver in the installer |
| 15:43.19 | Sebby | wols_ how can i make shore of that? |
| 15:43.31 | babilen | zimba12: alright, jsut checking :) |
| 15:43.48 | nsadmin | Sebby: are you running linux now? |
| 15:43.50 | zimba12 | babilen, do you have a fuloong? |
| 15:43.56 | Sebby | my network cards are Realtek and Intel |
| 15:44.04 | wols_ | Sebby: it should be installed (both is in the netinst image) but I'm not actually sure if it is. so you might have to install it manually from the netinst iso |
| 15:44.22 | brianskywalker | ## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options |
| 15:44.22 | brianskywalker | ## can be true or false |
| 15:44.23 | brianskywalker | # savedefault=false |
| 15:44.27 | Sebby | right now i`m running FreeBSD on my router (a pc as router) |
| 15:44.28 | wols_ | if you need WLAN for installing, it's tricky. with ethernet there is no problem |
| 15:44.41 | nsadmin | brianskywalker: you found it! |
| 15:44.53 | brianskywalker | cool, cool |
| 15:44.58 | nsadmin | do -NOT- uncomment it. change it to true |
| 15:45.05 | brianskywalker | so i need to change that |
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| 15:45.34 | nsadmin | yes, and since you're changing it you have to run update-grub again after you save the file |
| 15:45.54 | brianskywalker | alrighty |
| 15:45.59 | brianskywalker | i'll try that |
| 15:46.01 | babilen | zimba12: No, i don't. I've just searched for some installation instructions and hardware specs. They are hard to find. The first thing i could think about was, that you've downloaded the wrong architecture .. so i asked |
| 15:46.14 | nsadmin | btw, what's the name of the file you're editing? |
| 15:46.24 | brianskywalker | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:46.28 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 15:46.41 | nsadmin | sounds like legacy grub |
| 15:46.44 | wols_ | brianskywalker: why debian do you run again? |
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| 15:46.58 | wols_ | brianskywalker: and are you sure it is what your bootloader uses? dpkg -l grub* |
| 15:47.04 | zimba12 | babilen, I see. thank you, though |
| 15:47.45 | brianskywalker | wols_: well, considering it starts and says 'loading grub' and then gives me a list of kernals to use |
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| 15:47.52 | MrWax | I have a screen session with 2 windows opened, both i am editing a file in VIM on my server, i like to copy some lines between the 2 screen session but not use my mouse, any idea how i can best do this? |
| 15:47.54 | wols_ | brianskywalker: and? |
| 15:48.23 | babilen | zimba12: I take it that you are trying the USB install, or? |
| 15:48.26 | wols_ | brianskywalker: grub and grub2 are both "grub" and both give you a list of kernels |
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| 15:48.29 | petemc | MrWax: screen has a copy paste function, ctl a [ |
| 15:48.40 | zimba12 | zimba12, yes, the USB install |
| 15:48.51 | nsadmin | brianskywalker did you try to install grub2 at some point? if no, maybe you have legacy grub |
| 15:49.02 | babilen | zimba12: Have you followed the instruction in the installation guide ("The easy method") to create the USB stick? |
| 15:49.03 | brianskywalker | i probably have legacy grub... |
| 15:49.08 | MrWax | petemc: and how to copy? |
| 15:49.15 | brianskywalker | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 15:49.16 | brianskywalker | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 15:49.16 | brianskywalker | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 15:49.16 | brianskywalker | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 15:49.16 | brianskywalker | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 15:49.20 | babilen | zimba12: Is the kernel loading and freezing, or is there some other error before that? |
| 15:49.33 | zimba12 | babilen, the kernel is loading and freezing |
| 15:49.55 | nsadmin | debhelper is slooo... let 5 lines |
| 15:50.06 | petemc | MrWax: move the cursor to the start, feel free to consult screen docs yourself too |
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| 15:50.20 | MrWax | move to the start, and then? |
| 15:50.21 | MrWax | ok |
| 15:50.42 | babilen | zimba12: well, lets see what the internet has to say. You might need a newer kernel version. Which version of Debian did you try? Could you *try* the weekly iso for squeeze (just for testing purposes (haha pun)) |
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| 15:51.06 | wols_ | babilen: did he answer the arch question? |
| 15:51.20 | nsadmin | 3 pasted lines max |
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| 15:51.39 | nsadmin | o th botl gitcha |
| 15:52.03 | brianskywalker | ahh i see |
| 15:52.16 | nsadmin | use pastebins |
| 15:52.22 | anisfarhana | hello all :) |
| 15:52.36 | babilen | wols_: yes, he downloaded mipsel |
| 15:52.38 | anisfarhana | this is my 3rd- days using debian and i love it |
| 15:52.48 | nsadmin | at the same time, those 5 lines were all header lines... no info yet |
| 15:53.04 | zimba12 | babilen, if I go to the mipsel page of debian, my processor is not supported |
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| 15:53.37 | babilen | zimba12: That was exactly my thought right now. |
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| 15:54.01 | brianskywalker | oops |
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| 15:54.11 | babilen | zimba12: Great you've checked that. Are you sure that you don't need the "mips" arch? |
| 15:54.12 | brianskywalker | prolly kicked before the last line was there.. |
| 15:54.15 | brianskywalker | ii grub 0.97-59 GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package) |
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| 15:54.27 | nsadmin | so that is absolutely legacy grub |
| 15:54.38 | rpaulson | how can I install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 in testing? |
| 15:54.43 | zimba12 | babilen, yes, I am sure |
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| 15:55.01 | leejongwook | Could debhelper ban me from here permanently ? |
| 15:55.31 | nsadmin | rpaulson aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 ? |
| 15:55.46 | babilen | zimba12: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mips@lists.debian.org/msg07930.html |
| 15:56.04 | rpaulson | nsadmin: aptitude suggests I keep it installed at the current version [Not installed] |
| 15:56.13 | babilen | zimba12: Try kernel >= 2.6.33 |
| 15:56.14 | rpaulson | lol |
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| 15:56.43 | zimba12 | babilen, where do I find the supported architectures of squeeze? |
| 15:57.01 | nsadmin | do you have linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 installed? |
| 15:57.26 | rpaulson | nsadmin: yes, and when I search for the headers-package at packages.debian.org I can't find it :S |
| 15:57.51 | babilen | !tell zimba12 -about weekly builds |
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| 15:59.09 | dimbit | ok, panicking a little here. I just upgraded to squeeze from lenny and when I didn an apt-get upgrade I get problems with udev: "Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
| 15:59.09 | dimbit | feature is disabled in the running kernel." |
| 15:59.18 | cusco | I am having troubles having a good resolution with this monitor :( |
| 15:59.18 | dimbit | how do I fix this?? |
| 15:59.24 | zimba12 | babilen, sorry, I meant something different |
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| 15:59.53 | zimba12 | I meant: which processors (not architectures) are supported by the kernel |
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| 16:01.20 | babilen | zimba12: not sure :-\ |
| 16:01.22 | przemoc | with bremner's help it's confirmed that bad font rendering in okular is lenny's problem (and bad font rendering in Qt/KDE interface is only my configuration problem -- it's less important, but if anyone know how it can be solved, I'll be glad to read the answer): http://paste.przemoc.net/debian/lenny-okular-bad-font-rendering/ |
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| 16:01.38 | wols_ | dimbit: what kernel do you run? |
| 16:02.48 | nsadmin | rpaulson which uname -r again? |
| 16:03.05 | rpaulson | nsadmin: 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 16:03.14 | wols_ | rpaulson: upgrade to a current kernel |
| 16:03.30 | dimbit | wols_: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:03.30 | babilen | zimba12: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ might be a good place to ask too |
| 16:03.34 | wols_ | rpaulson: something you should know by your own when running testing/unstable |
| 16:03.50 | wols_ | dimbit: there was a big scary message when you upgraded. you didn't erad, now you suffer |
| 16:04.10 | zimba12 | babilen, there is already a thread there, but the solutions don't seem to be working |
| 16:04.11 | dimbit | it wasn't big enough for me to see it. I would've read something like that! |
| 16:04.19 | dimbit | is there a way back or a way to fix? |
| 16:04.24 | nsadmin | rpaulson: best I can do: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/ |
| 16:04.39 | rpaulson | wols_: so why not just delete linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 also from the repository?! |
| 16:04.51 | brianskywalker | how do i set the default after making # savedefault=true ? |
| 16:05.10 | wols_ | rpaulson: there is no 2.6.30 image anymore |
| 16:05.16 | rpaulson | lol |
| 16:05.17 | rpaulson | fantastic |
| 16:05.20 | wols_ | rpaulson: it's only on your machine, not on repos |
| 16:05.36 | wols_ | rpaulson: you want testing, you know what this means |
| 16:05.50 | dimbit | wols_: can I somehow install a kernel it can deal with? I trusted apt not to do stuff like this... |
| 16:06.04 | wols_ | dimbit: you run testing |
| 16:06.14 | dimbit | I do now - just upgraded from lenny |
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| 16:06.32 | wols_ | yes, and since you run testing you know how to upgrade kernels and deal with error messages, right? |
| 16:06.50 | nsadmin | dimbit: trust is never guaranteed. stable doens't hardly move at all, it's your best trust bet |
| 16:06.51 | zimba12 | babilen, it seems there are some cpu bugs |
| 16:07.09 | rpaulson | wols_: so running testing, you can have exactly 1 version of linux kernel? that seems odd.. |
| 16:07.12 | zimba12 | babilen, and kernel developers are waiting for an errata |
| 16:07.14 | dimbit | some, not all. I'm guessing linux-image-2.6.32 might work? |
| 16:07.22 | wols_ | rpaulson: you can have as many as you want |
| 16:07.36 | dimbit | nsadmin: I know, but I wanted kanyremote which isn't available in stable. Look where it got me... |
| 16:07.36 | rpaulson | wols_: from which repository? |
| 16:07.45 | wols_ | rpaulson: no matter which debian you run. from main |
| 16:07.48 | nsadmin | not guaranteed to stay on any repo |
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| 16:07.59 | dimbit | any help would be really awesome. I've learned my lesson. If I can fix this I'll never stray from stable again, I promise |
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| 16:08.11 | arle | !framebuffer |
| 16:08.11 | dpkg | it has been said that framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 16:08.12 | babilen | zimba12: yes - haven't found much more that could be considered useful. I would write to the debian-mips mailing list and ask them |
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| 16:08.14 | wols_ | dimbit: install a new kernel |
| 16:08.16 | rpaulson | wols_: even if it's not in the repository? you just said it was no longer in the repository.. |
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| 16:08.26 | arle | !fbcn |
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| 16:08.31 | arle | !fbcon |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | hmm... fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
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| 16:08.33 | babilen | zimba12: You might also consider returning the lemote and buy a different computer ;) |
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| 16:08.39 | nsadmin | rpaulson he meant you can have multiple kernels INSTALLED |
| 16:08.43 | wols_ | rpaulson: you said you can't have more than one kernel in testing. which is bullshit. I corrected you |
| 16:08.45 | arle | !fbcon resolution |
| 16:08.46 | dpkg | from memory, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 16:08.48 | zimba12 | babilen, never! thanks for helping |
| 16:08.50 | wols_ | arle: stop that!" |
| 16:08.51 | dimbit | ok, just so I don't screw this up, am I right in thinking apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 will work? |
| 16:08.51 | nsadmin | not necessarily they stay available |
| 16:08.53 | babilen | arle: Stop it! |
| 16:08.57 | wols_ | !tell arle about msgthebot |
| 16:08.59 | babilen | !tell arle -about selftell |
| 16:09.28 | rpaulson | of course, I can have more kernels installed, but it's difficult to install more than one version if no more than one version is available, yes? |
| 16:09.43 | babilen | zimba12: sorry, would have loved to help you. You could also check if some of the mips devs are around on OFTC and try to ask them directly. |
| 16:09.50 | wols_ | rpaulson: can you stop whining and go and solve your problem please? |
| 16:10.07 | zimba12 | babilen, ok. thanks again. bye |
| 16:10.30 | nsadmin | did you look at the url I gave you? |
| 16:10.39 | _fjh_ | Hi, I am somehow stuck while upgrading from lenny to testing: udev wants a new kernel and I cant install anything, because lennies udev has wrong version. |
| 16:11.03 | dimbit | _fjh_: right where I'm at too |
| 16:11.19 | nervousTwitch | install the kernel |
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| 16:11.25 | _fjh_ | dimbit: At least I am not alone. |
| 16:11.26 | wols_ | !tell _fjh_ about udev squeeze |
| 16:11.28 | rpaulson | wols_: that was what I was hoping for, I am having a problem that may be related to the current kernel version (2.6.32-trunk), and wanted to try 2.6.30. But I also need the kernel headers to test if the problem is gone |
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| 16:11.48 | dimbit | nervousTwitch: how? apt-get won't do anything and I'm scared to do anything myself |
| 16:12.03 | nervousTwitch | dpkg? |
| 16:12.08 | dimbit | !tell dimbir about udev squeeze |
| 16:12.11 | dimbit | !tell dimbit about udev squeeze |
| 16:12.21 | sKAApGIF | hi, I've got a captive portal which relays dhcp requests to dnsmasq on the same machine. I configured dnsmasq to listen on the loopback if, but it complains that "adress not available", since the adresses I want to assign of course aren't in the 127.0.0.1 network any ideas how I can solve this? |
| 16:12.21 | wols_ | rpaulson: try > http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ |
| 16:12.27 | wols_ | !tell dimbit about selftell |
| 16:12.57 | _fjh_ | nervousTwitch: Tried but apt refuses, because lennies udev is at wrong version. "xserver-xorg-core: Depends: udev (>= 149) but 0.125-7+lenny3" |
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| 16:13.14 | rpaulson | wols_: thanks :) I'm sorry you had the impression that I was whining |
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| 16:13.27 | nervousTwitch | dont use apt |
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| 16:14.11 | brianskywalker | how do i set the default after making # savedefault=true ? |
| 16:14.59 | wols_ | brianskywalker: update-grub |
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| 16:15.39 | _fjh_ | nervousTwitch: How does dpkg help in this situation? |
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| 16:16.05 | brianskywalker | wols_: i did that, however i don't think it changes the default, just made it so the default /can/ be saved. do i set it at bootup? |
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| 16:16.08 | wols_ | _fjh_: what error exactly do you get? pastebin the output |
| 16:16.40 | wols_ | brianskywalker: it means when you select linux on bootup, next time linux is default. if you select windows, next time windows is default |
| 16:16.43 | thriftee | hi there, can anyone help me figure out why suspend and hibernate don't work on my machine. running debian 5.04 amd64 ver |
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| 16:16.52 | tobago | i followed this tutorial: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.de for creating a usb flash installation. but after booting i was told: couldn't find kernel vmlinuz. though it's there in root. what's going wrong? |
| 16:16.59 | nervousTwitch | download the kernel install the kernel and updat your packages after |
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| 16:17.07 | dimbit | ok, so what I have now done is download the kernel package from packages.debian.org and used dpkg -i to install it. I don't know if that was stupid. feel free to laugh at me if it was but I'm not an expert and am just trying to get by |
| 16:17.15 | dimbit | did I do good? |
| 16:17.32 | wols_ | dimbit: was fine |
| 16:17.33 | brianskywalker | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 16:17.43 | dimbit | if I reboot will I have a working system? |
| 16:17.56 | dimbit | after: dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64_2.6.32-5_amd64.deb |
| 16:18.03 | wols_ | dimbit: no one can say :) but the chance you do is high |
| 16:18.25 | wols_ | dimbit: look int /boot how many vmlinuz* files do you see? |
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| 16:18.45 | dimbit | aaah! what happened to konqueror!?!?! |
| 16:18.52 | wols_ | kde4 happened |
| 16:19.01 | wols_ | they now use "dolphin" I think |
| 16:19.07 | dimbit | 2 vmlinuz files |
| 16:19.13 | nsadmin | ls /boot/vmlinuz* | wc -l |
| 16:19.26 | dimbit | sucks. I want konqueror back :( |
| 16:19.31 | arle | !grub |
| 16:19.31 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 16:19.53 | dimbit | is 2 vmlinuz files good? |
| 16:20.03 | dimbit | surely there is usually just 1 |
| 16:20.05 | arle | !supergrub |
| 16:20.05 | dpkg | [supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/w/index.php5?title=FixBootOfLinuxOption . See also <fixmbr>. |
| 16:20.08 | _fjh_ | wols: Pastebin here, just found your message, http://pastebin.com/3mffYdEj |
| 16:20.10 | nsadmin | means you can at least boot the old one |
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| 16:20.14 | dimbit | ah, k |
| 16:20.21 | arle | !grub |
| 16:20.21 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 16:20.27 | dimbit | well, I'll try a reboot then an aptitude upgrade |
| 16:20.35 | dimbit | and report back |
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| 16:20.42 | nsadmin | run update-grub first |
| 16:20.54 | nsadmin | then rebot |
| 16:21.10 | dimbit | k, it had found both already looking back at the messages, but cheers |
| 16:21.13 | nsadmin | just to make sure |
| 16:21.13 | arle | !fbcon resolution |
| 16:21.13 | dpkg | somebody said fbcon resolution was run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 16:21.16 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 16:21.24 | nsadmin | so you were and are good |
| 16:21.25 | dimbit | biab I hope |
| 16:21.54 | nsadmin | so... what replaces ipmasq? |
| 16:22.35 | wols_ | nsadmin: that's the big question :( |
| 16:22.50 | wols_ | arle: you've been told to stop spamming the channel |
| 16:22.52 | thriftee | does anyone know enuf about suspend and hibernate to help me diagnose why it doesn't work on my pc? |
| 16:22.54 | nsadmin | well then I'll just hold onto a copy of the source |
| 16:23.15 | nsadmin | the maint claims there's a lot of things that do it |
| 16:23.22 | wols_ | !tell thriftee about smart questions |
| 16:23.34 | arle | !fbcon resolution |
| 16:23.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 16:23.46 | wols_ | nsadmin: the maintainer is full of bullshit. there is no easy to use "apt-get install package" to get NAT except ipmasq |
| 16:24.09 | nsadmin | then someone needs to take over the package |
| 16:24.37 | wols_ | yeah. "someone" |
| 16:24.41 | nsadmin | he's also claiming somethign like it needs updating for "modern" environments |
| 16:25.29 | nsadmin | it works good enough for me... I'm also planning on putting up a wireless ap |
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| 16:26.39 | gh0st | where is default/grub config file for grub 1.98 ? |
| 16:26.55 | thriftee | ok, could someone here that knows about suspend and hibernate please help me diagnose why it doesn't work on my pc? |
| 16:27.01 | nsadmin | somewhere in /etc/default I think |
| 16:27.21 | gh0st | nsadmin: yes it is there but when is edited it is not updates |
| 16:27.33 | nsadmin | man grub-update |
| 16:27.36 | nsadmin | err |
| 16:27.42 | gh0st | i know :)) |
| 16:27.42 | nsadmin | man update-grub |
| 16:27.52 | nsadmin | and? |
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| 16:28.03 | nsadmin | so do you run that after you make changes? |
| 16:28.05 | gh0st | and nothing... |
| 16:28.09 | gh0st | yes of course |
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| 16:28.48 | nsadmin | see I dunno much about grub2, so I'm just gathering info for someone who does... |
| 16:28.57 | nsadmin | what file exactly did you edit |
| 16:29.16 | wols_ | and what did you change there? |
| 16:29.17 | gh0st | nsadmin: i edit /etc/default/grub |
| 16:29.44 | gh0st | nsadmin: GRUB_DEFAULT=5 and console=tty1 and i remove the quite parameters for kernel thats it and then update-grub and nothing? |
| 16:29.58 | nsadmin | wols_ wants to know what you changed |
| 16:30.02 | nsadmin | you removed what? |
| 16:30.08 | wols_ | gh0st: what's in your grub.cfg now? |
| 16:30.19 | wols_ | nsadmin: "quiet" kernel parameter |
| 16:30.47 | gh0st | wols_: yes :))))))) |
| 16:31.01 | nsadmin | you're in good hands |
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| 16:31.05 | hftircuser | ĔĔĔĔ |
| 16:31.35 | tobago | doing "sudo zcat /tmp/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdg1" return Permission Denied? |
| 16:31.37 | tobago | what a mess |
| 16:31.42 | gh0st | wols_: i need to change grub.cfg but i cannot change every time again and again |
| 16:31.57 | wols_ | gh0st: answer my question |
| 16:32.09 | gh0st | ops nsadmin: i need to change grub.cfg but i cannot change every time again and again |
| 16:32.22 | gh0st | i found and /usr/share/grub/default |
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| 16:32.25 | Scurz- | hey |
| 16:32.36 | gh0st | and there is changed but i still not change the grub.cfg after update-grb |
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| 16:33.24 | Scurz- | I'm installing debian (etch) on a laptop with a net install, debian doesn't show the wireless interface with "ifconfig", what to do ? (the wireless worked fine on this laptop, this is a reinstallation) |
| 16:33.25 | nsadmin | do you see the parameters in that file that are commented? |
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| 16:34.02 | niklaswe | Scurz-: has you load right module for your wireless card? |
| 16:34.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Where can I find the channel for debian-gnu/hurd? |
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| 16:34.24 | wols_ | !hurd |
| 16:34.24 | dpkg | hurd is probably a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:34.50 | Scurz- | niklaswe: I do not know which module to load |
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| 16:35.07 | Scurz- | niklaswe: I don't remember I did the last time |
| 16:35.12 | Scurz- | +how |
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| 16:36.30 | wols_ | Scurz-: lspci -nn |
| 16:36.58 | wols_ | Scurz-: and we don't really support etch anymore. etch is EOL and gets no security updates anymore. we strongly suggest to upgrade to lenny |
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| 16:37.33 | Scurz- | wols_: I know, I'm trying to set up the wireless to upgrade debian |
| 16:38.03 | nsadmin | why not install lenny directly? |
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| 16:38.40 | nsadmin | or is etch on the machine now? |
| 16:38.54 | nsadmin | you could upgrade it if it's not wiped |
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| 16:39.09 | Scurz- | nsadmin: I have no PC where I can burn debian on a CD |
| 16:39.23 | dimbit | ok, I'm back |
| 16:39.27 | nsadmin | what do you have, storagewise? |
| 16:39.27 | babilen | Scurz-: paste "lspci -nn|grep -i network" to a pastebin please |
| 16:39.28 | Scurz- | nsadmin: the CD I used is an old |
| 16:39.38 | dimbit | and I don't think I like kde4.... :( |
| 16:39.43 | dimbit | thanks for the help guys |
| 16:39.52 | babilen | Scurz-: so you have a freshly installed etch now? |
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| 16:41.08 | Scurz- | babilen: Yes I do |
| 16:41.24 | wols_ | Scurz-: less talk, more lspci -nn pastebinning |
| 16:41.49 | babilen | Scurz-: There are a number of installation methods that don't require you to burn a CD. network install (PXE) or usb for example |
| 16:42.28 | babilen | Scurz-: Can you boot from your NIC and do you have a computer around on which you could configure dhcp/tftp? |
| 16:42.39 | babilen | Scurz-: Or can you boot from usb? |
| 16:42.48 | Scurz- | i can |
| 16:42.57 | babilen | !tell Scurz- -about usb install |
| 16:43.07 | Scurz- | wols_: wait I need to install lspci because the installation is very basic |
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| 16:43.25 | babilen | Scurz-: You *can* upgrade to lenny - but we need the output of the lspci command we gave you |
| 16:43.30 | wols_ | damn etch had no lspci by default |
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| 16:43.42 | babilen | !lart etch |
| 16:43.42 | dpkg | throws etch's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 16:43.49 | rgr | new laptop on the way (thinkpad t60 off ebay). xp preinstalled and on a sys restore partition. Whats the best procedure to get Debian onto this? I find different info everywhere so would appreciate any advice from those of you who have added Linux to a Windows system as dual boot. |
| 16:43.53 | Scurz- | wols_: indeed |
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| 16:44.04 | nsadmin | etch had a doggy?! |
| 16:44.16 | babilen | nsadmin: not anymore :) |
| 16:44.17 | algokick | slink, no! |
| 16:44.29 | wols_ | rgr: you put in a debian CD and start installing. done |
| 16:44.47 | babilen | !tell rgr -about ig |
| 16:44.58 | rgr | it installs grub and adds windows boot to ti? |
| 16:45.00 | thriftee | thanks for the idea wols_ i spent afew hours googling before. maybe i'm looking for the wrong thing. i have a desktop, and would like it to goto sleep after a period of inactivity like it would do with windows. currently, it goes to screensaver ok, but i can't get it to suspend or hibernate at all. all the posts i find on the web are related to laptops, it seems, and all seem to be questions where they either can't get i |
| 16:45.00 | apt | de nada, thriftee |
| 16:45.00 | thriftee | t to suspend/hibernate, or can't get it to come back. of the onwes where its can't get it to suspend, i don't see any where they found a solution. and the only diagnosis i could find was many years old, apic -V if i recall correctly, and my pc only responded with that it has 4 processors, nothing else |
| 16:45.08 | babilen | rgr: Also checkout http://thinkwiki.org |
| 16:45.18 | rgr | ah yes. forgot about htat thanks babilen |
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| 16:46.01 | babilen | Scurz-: What wifi adaptor do you have in your box? |
| 16:46.14 | tobago | mmh it's really not easy to install debian by usb flash... |
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| 16:46.19 | wols_ | !tell thriftee about hibernate |
| 16:46.52 | babilen | tobago: do you need help or was that just an observation? |
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| 16:47.17 | wols_ | babilen: he needs displaymanager help but doesn't like the suggestion(s) |
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| 16:47.38 | babilen | wols_: *sigh* |
| 16:48.02 | tobago | wols_, no. i now try to make up a pure debian installer for usb... |
| 16:48.08 | wols_ | thriftee: the kde/gnome applets should be able to do what you want I think (hopefully) |
| 16:48.18 | wols_ | "pure debian installer"? |
| 16:48.22 | wols_ | whassat? |
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| 16:48.25 | tobago | wols_, netinst |
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| 16:48.39 | wols_ | newsflash: /msg dpkg usb install already did that for you |
| 16:48.45 | babilen | tobago: Just follow "The easy method" in the installation guide - pretty straightforward IMHO |
| 16:49.13 | Scurz- | babilen, wols_ : there is nothing with the lspci -nn| grep -i network |
| 16:49.19 | Scurz- | only the ethernet controller |
| 16:49.38 | babilen | Scurz-: lspci -nn (without the grep) ? |
| 16:49.42 | Scurz- | I think so packages are missing |
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| 16:50.05 | babilen | Scurz-: lspci should still report it. But didn't you say that you don't have that available? |
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| 16:50.14 | wols_ | Scurz-: lspci -nn |
| 16:50.31 | wols_ | babilen: not if the PCI ID is not known. then it doesn't know it's a network device |
| 16:50.35 | wols_ | can easily happen with etch |
| 16:50.49 | Scurz- | babilen, wols_ : think a little bit, I can't paste all the output if I have no connection on the lap |
| 16:51.16 | wols_ | Scurz-: you think a little bit: anything lspci knows about and gives human readable info is not the problem |
| 16:51.17 | babilen | Scurz-: We need the pciid - it's the abcd:1234 at EOL in [..] |
| 16:51.17 | Scurz- | wols_: there is only the ethernet controller |
| 16:51.21 | wols_ | only the unknwon devices are |
| 16:51.31 | thriftee | ok, i'll try checking into them. i don't run kde anymore but can reinstall gnome. i've been trying the LXDE most recently |
| 16:51.37 | babilen | Scurz-: or the make of your card - any inormation is appreciated ;) |
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| 16:51.48 | wols_ | thriftee: just install the noted package, not all of gnome |
| 16:52.02 | thriftee | ok, thanks, will try that |
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| 16:52.32 | thriftee | off i go |
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| 16:53.30 | Scurz- | babilen: wols_ http://pastebin.com/Dra5H9kd |
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| 16:54.29 | Ashley^ | hi |
| 16:54.44 | Ashley^ | Was wondering if someone could give me some guidance on installing a new peice of hardware (gbit nic) |
| 16:55.03 | babilen | Ashley^: paste "lspci -nn" to a pastebin |
| 16:55.04 | wols_ | Ashley^: plug it in, check dmesg if tehre is a new eth |
| 16:55.20 | babilen | Ashley^: or maybe it's "just working" ? |
| 16:55.23 | wols_ | Scurz-: could it be a USB wlan adapter? or a pcmcia one? |
| 16:55.28 | babilen | Scurz-: ^^^^ |
| 16:55.29 | babilen | hehe |
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| 16:55.35 | nsadmin | Ashley^ is the new device in the machine already? |
| 16:55.41 | Ashley^ | yeah |
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| 16:55.52 | nsadmin | ok, are you running some linux now? |
| 16:55.57 | Ashley^ | I don't have lspci installed |
| 16:56.02 | Scurz- | wols_: hmm, pcmcia maybe |
| 16:56.10 | Ashley^ | This comp i'm using is windows, the comp with the new 1gbit nic is debian |
| 16:56.23 | nsadmin | and is it connected now? |
| 16:56.38 | Ashley^ | connected to? the network? yes theres a cable etc |
| 16:56.39 | nsadmin | with "the other nic"? |
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| 16:56.42 | Ashley^ | but it's not accessable |
| 16:56.56 | nsadmin | so, is there only the one nic? |
| 16:57.01 | wols_ | Scurz-: it's only pcmcia if it's acutally a pc card. since your notebook is pretty new, I doubt that. |
| 16:57.06 | wols_ | Scurz-: lsusb and lspcmcia |
| 16:57.11 | Ashley^ | theres two nic's i've disabled the onboard one in the bios |
| 16:57.22 | babilen | Ashley^: How did you determine that? is it shown in "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 16:57.24 | Ashley^ | and put the new one inside |
| 16:57.26 | wols_ | Ashley^: dmesg |grep eth and /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 16:57.40 | Ashley^ | ifconfig -a shows eth1 |
| 16:57.44 | nsadmin | suggest you re-enable it, put it on line |
| 16:57.47 | Ashley^ | hwaddr but no IP |
| 16:58.00 | nsadmin | eth1? do you think that's the gbit? |
| 16:58.00 | wols_ | Ashley^: dhclient eth1 |
| 16:58.02 | Scurz- | wols_: lspcmcia returns nothing |
| 16:58.06 | Ashley^ | eth1 is the gigabit |
| 16:58.10 | Ashley^ | eth0 is the old 100M |
| 16:58.12 | babilen | Ashley^: configure it and ifup eth1 (you might want to change that to eth0 though - let us know if you do) |
| 16:58.12 | Scurz- | wols_: the wireless card should be in usb |
| 16:58.14 | Ashley^ | or 100T w/e |
| 16:58.25 | nsadmin | ok. so your driver is installed, it's ready to use |
| 16:58.30 | Ashley^ | how long do I run dhclient for? |
| 16:58.35 | Ashley^ | it's doing DHCPDISCOVER |
| 16:58.46 | wols_ | it will stop soon if there is nothing to get |
| 16:58.46 | babilen | Ashley^: So, the device is there. You have to configure it. Edit /etc/network/interfaces and "ifup eth1" ;) |
| 16:58.50 | wols_ | Ashley^: dmesg |grep eth |
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| 16:59.36 | nsadmin | are you runnign etch? |
| 16:59.42 | Ashley^ | shit wheres the pipe key |
| 16:59.44 | Ashley^ | no lenny |
| 17:00.09 | nsadmin | hmm... and lspci is not installed... |
| 17:00.16 | Ashley^ | netinst |
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| 17:00.31 | Ashley^ | eth1 link is not ready |
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| 17:00.41 | Ashley^ | er |
| 17:00.56 | Ashley^ | Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type metods |
| 17:01.04 | Ashley^ | udev: renamed eth0 to eth1 |
| 17:01.12 | Ashley^ | r8169: eth1: link down |
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| 17:01.21 | nsadmin | sd is not the net device |
| 17:01.21 | Scurz- | wols_: http://pastebin.com/hngRVbbw |
| 17:01.23 | Ashley^ | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1 link is not ready |
| 17:01.37 | nsadmin | ok, do this... |
| 17:01.41 | Ashley^ | sorry, grep eth copied "eth" |
| 17:02.00 | Ashley^ | er, m'eth'od |
| 17:02.05 | Ashley^ | anyway |
| 17:02.09 | nsadmin | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:02.31 | nsadmin | do you see anything in there about eth0 or eth1? |
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| 17:02.47 | Ashley^ | yeha |
| 17:02.48 | wols_ | Scurz-: you have a realtek 8187B wlan usb adapter |
| 17:02.56 | Ashley^ | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 17:03.01 | Ashley^ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:03.02 | wols_ | Scurz-: But I dunno if etch comes with a driver for it. I doubt it |
| 17:03.15 | nsadmin | turn both into eth1 |
| 17:03.18 | nsadmin | so: |
| 17:03.27 | nsadmin | should read: |
| 17:03.36 | Ashley^ | ok |
| 17:03.38 | nsadmin | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 17:03.38 | Ashley^ | done that |
| 17:03.41 | Ashley^ | restarted networking |
| 17:03.46 | wols_ | nsadmin: and this helps how as long eth1 isn't "up" in the kernel log? |
| 17:03.47 | echo-area | could somebody please take a look at http://pastebin.com/qeSVk5w1 |
| 17:03.47 | Ashley^ | ifup eth1? |
| 17:03.53 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 17:04.08 | echo-area | I'm having a serious problem while installing package on my system |
| 17:04.22 | Ashley^ | ok now it's doing DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 |
| 17:04.23 | Ashley^ | ok now it's doing DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13 |
| 17:04.24 | Ashley^ | ok now it's doing DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17 |
| 17:04.34 | wols_ | echo-area: install the kernel with dpkg |
| 17:04.41 | babilen | echo-area: Are you upgrading lenny->squeeze ? |
| 17:04.44 | nsadmin | see what happens... we're thinking your physical link is not connected properly yet |
| 17:04.54 | echo-area | wols_: Okay, I'll try |
| 17:05.01 | Ashley^ | hrm let me turn on the old NIC |
| 17:05.08 | babilen | echo-area: Install the kernel manually (dpkg -i linux-*), reboot and upgrade udev |
| 17:05.09 | Ashley^ | No DHCPOFFERS recieved |
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| 17:05.13 | nsadmin | so nothing's answering the discover? |
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| 17:05.40 | echo-area | babilen: No, I wanted to install bzr 2.1, but a lot of other packages were updated too. |
| 17:05.48 | echo-area | babilen: okey, trying |
| 17:05.49 | nsadmin | ok, so yeah, the physical link isn't there yet |
| 17:05.54 | babilen | echo-area: You are running stable? |
| 17:06.08 | wols_ | babilen: not anymore |
| 17:06.08 | nsadmin | do this: |
| 17:06.12 | nsadmin | ifdown eth1 |
| 17:06.21 | Ashley^ | 1 sec |
| 17:06.36 | babilen | echo-area: That sounds like something you should stop immediately and explain to us hwat you have done so far :) |
| 17:06.50 | Ashley^ | ok nsadmin |
| 17:06.51 | Ashley^ | did that |
| 17:06.56 | Scurz- | wols_: how do you know from my "lsusb" it's a realtek 81878 wlan usb adapter ? |
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| 17:07.07 | babilen | Scurz-: magic |
| 17:07.12 | da78 | hello all, i have a strange problem with my DVD-RAM-unit: kernel 2.6.30 found it, kernel 2.6.32-trunk didn't found it. Someone a hint for me? |
| 17:07.18 | wols_ | Scurz-: line 2. it shows the usb id which you can google |
| 17:07.28 | Scurz- | ok |
| 17:07.34 | nsadmin | wols_: so that helped by confirming the link was down, by allowing the automated process (run with ifup eth1) which is well-tested to be tried. |
| 17:07.44 | wols_ | nsadmin: bs |
| 17:07.53 | nsadmin | not well tested? |
| 17:07.55 | Ashley^ | nsadmin: now what? I did ifdown eth1 |
| 17:08.03 | wols_ | you know the link is down from dmesg. no need for anything more |
| 17:08.23 | nsadmin | I'd say check your cables |
| 17:08.26 | wols_ | Ashley^: are you using a cat5e or cat6 cable? |
| 17:08.29 | Ashley^ | cables are fine |
| 17:08.32 | Ashley^ | Cat5e |
| 17:08.34 | wols_ | or did you simply reuse the old cables? |
| 17:08.39 | Ashley^ | re-used old cables |
| 17:08.42 | wols_ | Ashley^: how do you know they are fine? |
| 17:08.46 | echo-area | babilen: cat /etc/debian_version shows "5.0" |
| 17:08.55 | Ashley^ | because they worked like 15mins ago wols_ |
| 17:09.04 | Ashley^ | before I put in the new NIC |
| 17:09.18 | nsadmin | the old nic is a 100baseT? |
| 17:09.20 | Ashley^ | will re-enable the old NIC |
| 17:09.21 | babilen | echo-area: Do you want to upgrade to squeeze? What have you done so far? |
| 17:09.23 | babilen | !bat |
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| 17:09.24 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:09.26 | Ashley^ | the old nic is on board |
| 17:09.29 | babilen | echo-area: ^^^^^ |
| 17:09.29 | Ashley^ | apparently 1000T |
| 17:09.48 | Ashley^ | but ethtool only reports 100mbps and changing the speed turns it into Unknown! |
| 17:09.53 | nsadmin | so it's another gbit eth? |
| 17:09.58 | babilen | echo-area: A look at your sources.list would also be great. |
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| 17:10.05 | wols_ | so it is a cable issue after all |
| 17:10.08 | Ashley^ | yes nsadmin |
| 17:10.14 | Ashley^ | it's not a cable issue |
| 17:10.16 | Ashley^ | I tried two cables. |
| 17:10.27 | Ashley^ | want me to try a third? |
| 17:10.30 | wols_ | all from the same vendor, supposedly "cat5e"? |
| 17:10.36 | Ashley^ | all from ebuyer.com |
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| 17:10.37 | nsadmin | I'm guessing a negothation issue |
| 17:10.40 | ani_age21 | Is debian better then mint |
| 17:10.42 | Ashley^ | my PC is connected at 1gbps |
| 17:10.46 | ani_age21 | ? |
| 17:10.50 | Ashley^ | I'll use that same cable |
| 17:11.01 | babilen | echo-area: or "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" to learn how to do a proper upgrade to testing (which i advise against - but it might be too late for that already) |
| 17:11.09 | babilen | ani_age21: yes |
| 17:11.13 | nsadmin | ani_age21: mint is MUCH better! |
| 17:11.18 | babilen | ani_age21: fsvo "better" |
| 17:11.33 | ani_age21 | Can i switch to mint to Debian??? |
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| 17:11.43 | nsadmin | do you want to? |
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| 17:12.23 | echo-area | babilen: I stayed in KDE 3 for long. Today I decided to install a new version of bazaar and some other packages, and those error messages came after the download. The content of sources.list and the first command I typed can be found at http://pastebin.com/46bGPtEH |
| 17:13.27 | echo-area | While that command ran, many KDE 4 packages were installed too |
| 17:13.33 | babilen | echo-area: Where is the "testing" part in your sources.list coming from? do you want to upgrade to testing? Have you installed any packages already? |
| 17:14.01 | babilen | echo-area: Ok - you've done a partial upgrade to testing. congratulations! |
| 17:14.14 | nsadmin | Super_Anix: you would have to wipe and reinstall. |
| 17:14.18 | babilen | !tell echo-area -about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:14.21 | Super_Anix | nsadmin just thinking |
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| 17:14.37 | nsadmin | is your /home on a separate partition? |
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| 17:14.54 | Super_Anix | nsadmin i am using mint KDE 64 bit |
| 17:14.57 | echo-area | babilen: I don't want to update the whole system -- no update of KDE 4. So perhaps I don't need to upgrade my system to testing |
| 17:15.03 | nsadmin | is your /home on a separate partition? |
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| 17:15.26 | babilen | echo-area: The best thing you can do right now is to follow the official upgrade instructions. You probably have to install a new kernel manually now with dpkg and continue by upgrading udev, followed by a complete upgrade |
| 17:15.32 | babilen | echo-area: I guess it is too late for that |
| 17:15.39 | Super_Anix | yes |
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| 17:16.29 | babilen | echo-area: Have you entered testing in your sources.list? |
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| 17:16.41 | echo-area | babilen: I saw what dpkg said. Do you mean I HAVE TO UPDATE THE WHOLE SYSTEM? |
| 17:16.47 | nsadmin | if it's separate, you can tell debian (1) not to mount or erase /home and (2) not to make a second user, you'll do that yourself after mounting your existing /home |
| 17:16.53 | Ashley^ | ok so |
| 17:16.55 | Ashley^ | the old nic |
| 17:16.59 | Ashley^ | works fine |
| 17:17.03 | babilen | echo-area: From what you've told me it sounds as if you already started. |
| 17:17.04 | nsadmin | do you hve backups of everything? |
| 17:17.07 | wols_ | Ashley^: at GBit speeds? |
| 17:17.19 | Ashley^ | 100M/s |
| 17:17.26 | hideo | Ashley^: can you please type in one complete sentence |
| 17:17.35 | Super_Anix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.40 | Ashley^ | sorry boss |
| 17:17.46 | echo-area | babilen: hmmm, that was really not my intention. I only wanted to update bazaar :( |
| 17:17.51 | hideo | np and thanks =) |
| 17:18.04 | babilen | !tell echo-area -about which repo |
| 17:18.10 | Ashley^ | ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 sets the speed to Unknown! on the old NIC, so somehow 1gbps is unsupported |
| 17:18.18 | babilen | echo-area: try to figure out if you have packages from squeeze |
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| 17:18.29 | nsadmin | Grunhilda, the wise old dragon sexer, said complete sentences were for the pteradactyls. |
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| 17:19.33 | babilen | echo-area: I'm not sure how to proceed now. Downgrading the packages is most probably not possible. That leaves either a reinstall or an upgrade to testing/squeeze. |
| 17:19.35 | Super_Anix | nsadmin do u think its bad idia to step uot from mint kde to debian |
| 17:19.51 | nsadmin | no idea really |
| 17:20.04 | Super_Anix | hummm |
| 17:20.07 | babilen | echo-area: and i would recommend aptitude over apt-get |
| 17:20.07 | nsadmin | you can if you want to... also if I were you, I'd back up |
| 17:20.43 | nsadmin | I'm guessing you want debian because it's somehow better? |
| 17:21.00 | babilen | echo-area: The next time you want to install a newer version of a package, don't bork your system by blindly switching to testing. There are a number of backported packages - and you can even backport them yourself |
| 17:21.06 | babilen | !tell echo-area -about bpo |
| 17:21.10 | Super_Anix | nsadmin the problem is i can't configure my tv card on mint |
| 17:21.18 | babilen | echo-area: So, what do you want to do? |
| 17:21.32 | Ashley^ | ok so I've got my old NIC switched on, and my new one switched on, both connected to the same switch |
| 17:21.45 | Ashley^ | computer is connected to the internet using eth0 (old NIC) |
| 17:21.50 | wols_ | Super_Anix: what tv chip is it? (lspci -nn) |
| 17:21.55 | nsadmin | that would most likely be a kernel/driver issue and possibly also a userland tool/config issue |
| 17:22.22 | echo-area | babilen: I don't have anything specific to stable in my sources.list, do I? |
| 17:22.26 | wols_ | Super_Anix: if debian can use some hardware, then mint can too and vice versa |
| 17:22.36 | Super_Anix | wols its philipes 7130 |
| 17:22.52 | echo-area | babilen: I'm considering a full upgrade now, that sounds to the best option to me |
| 17:22.54 | babilen | echo-area: no - looks as if you replaced that by "testing" (which is not good as well, it should be "squeeze") |
| 17:22.55 | wols_ | Super_Anix: lspci -nn please. it's hard to google stupid product names |
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| 17:23.15 | nsadmin | exactly, so you could try debian... but if you do, know that it's completely different in most ways |
| 17:23.26 | nsadmin | you might like that you might not |
| 17:23.35 | Super_Anix | i am on 7 can do it |
| 17:23.50 | Super_Anix | want to get rid of it |
| 17:24.07 | themill | ,pciid 1131:7130 |
| 17:24.09 | judd | [1131:7130] is 'SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder' from 'Philips Semiconductors' with kernel module 'saa7134' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1131:7130 |
| 17:24.14 | babilen | echo-area: OK, edit your sources.list and replace testing with squeeze in line 4,5,7,8 and remove line 9-EOF |
| 17:24.49 | Super_Anix | waityes judd the same one |
| 17:25.28 | babilen | echo-area: Then follow the instructions (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze), install the kernel package for squeeze manually (dpkg -i linux-image-yadda-yadda), reboot, upgrade udev and continue |
| 17:25.33 | nsadmin | Ashley^ so the old nic was apparantly able to negotiate down while your new one was not |
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| 17:25.56 | Ashley^ | I don't need to install any drivers do I? |
| 17:25.56 | echo-area | babilen: Thank you very much, I'm doing that. |
| 17:25.59 | nsadmin | plus the thing you have it plugged into probably doesn't do gbit |
| 17:25.59 | Super_Anix | but lspci shows 1132:0000 |
| 17:25.59 | babilen | echo-area: Ah, don't forget to "aptitude update" after editing your sources.list |
| 17:26.21 | babilen | echo-area: ask if you need help ... |
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| 17:26.47 | echo-area | babilen: You're so nice, thank you! |
| 17:27.16 | babilen | echo-area: But using testing can be rough sometimes as the system might break occasionally (not that often though) - make sure you install "apt-listchanges" and "apt-listbugs" as well |
| 17:27.46 | nsadmin | Ashley^: probably not |
| 17:27.52 | Ashley^ | nsadmin it does |
| 17:28.00 | Ashley^ | the router supports 1gbit |
| 17:28.07 | Ashley^ | because the PC I am using now is 1gbit |
| 17:28.18 | Ashley^ | the cables are 1gbit (bought 10 of the same cable) |
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| 17:28.23 | nsadmin | how long is the cable? |
| 17:28.27 | Ashley^ | like 1m |
| 17:28.39 | nsadmin | about 3 ft?? |
| 17:28.51 | Ashley^ | yes |
| 17:29.06 | echo-area | babilen: I see. I'll install them after I've fixed my current problem |
| 17:29.11 | Ashley^ | just a standard RJ45 patch cable (CAT5e) |
| 17:29.27 | nsadmin | are all the pins connected? |
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| 17:29.31 | Ashley^ | ..... |
| 17:29.34 | babilen | echo-area: sure - but really. Install the kernel now, reboot, and continue with the normal upgrade procedure |
| 17:29.39 | Ashley^ | Yes |
| 17:29.53 | Ashley^ | I'm using the same cable for the old NIC |
| 17:29.54 | babilen | echo-area: good luck - if in doubt/unsure --. ask |
| 17:29.57 | Ashley^ | on my new NIC |
| 17:30.01 | nsadmin | well I don't know what to say... |
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| 17:30.18 | Ashley^ | where do I get lspci from |
| 17:30.20 | Ashley^ | which package |
| 17:30.20 | Titan8990 | Ashley^: ethtool ethx |
| 17:30.24 | nsadmin | lspci |
| 17:30.29 | Titan8990 | Ashley^: pciutils IIRC |
| 17:30.33 | nsadmin | , file bin/lspci |
| 17:30.39 | judd | bin/lspci in lenny/i386: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci |
| 17:30.57 | Titan8990 | I win! |
| 17:31.01 | Ashley^ | ty Titan8990 |
| 17:31.09 | Ashley^ | keyword there was "package" |
| 17:31.16 | Ashley^ | :P |
| 17:31.18 | nsadmin | , depends pciutils |
| 17:31.19 | judd | pciutils -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpci3 (= 1:3.0.0-6). |
| 17:31.30 | Ashley^ | ok |
| 17:31.39 | Ashley^ | I've got lspci installed now, what arguments shall I specify |
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| 17:31.47 | nsadmin | , depends libpci3 |
| 17:31.49 | judd | libpci3 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
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| 17:32.04 | nsadmin | , depends zlib1g |
| 17:32.05 | judd | zlib1g -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1). |
| 17:32.15 | wols_ | nsadmin: do it in a query? |
| 17:32.26 | nsadmin | there, now you know exactly what to transfer |
| 17:32.33 | Ashley^ | ... |
| 17:32.38 | Titan8990 | Ashley^: you should run: "ethtool ethx" |
| 17:32.39 | wols_ | Ashley^: lspci -nn |
| 17:32.42 | themill | nsadmin: [17:31] <Ashley^> I've got lspci installed now, what arguments shall I specify |
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| 17:32.47 | Ashley^ | ok wols_ pastbinning |
| 17:33.01 | Ashley^ | http://pastebin.com/MgEUZ0xW |
| 17:33.14 | wols_ | Ashley^: dmesg |grep eth too I guess, or what Titan8990 said |
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| 17:33.36 | nsadmin | oh shoot, he had his net up, forgot about that |
| 17:33.44 | Titan8990 | we are saying LAN connection speed is not up to par, correct? |
| 17:34.25 | anirban | Wols_ what the comman for the tv card? ..i am on kde now |
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| 17:34.37 | anirban | *command |
| 17:34.38 | Ashley^ | dmesg | grep eth: http://pastebin.com/ky4WHhWd |
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| 17:35.10 | Ashley^ | ethtool eth1, eth0: http://pastebin.com/0p6m8i66 |
| 17:35.27 | Ashley^ | Titan8990: the new NIC isn't connecting to the network |
| 17:36.03 | wols_ | Ashley^: this is 2.6.26 from lenny? |
| 17:36.16 | Ashley^ | studio:~# uname -a |
| 17:36.16 | Ashley^ | Linux studio 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 00:59:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:36.45 | anirban | Wols_ what the comman for the tv card for irc? |
| 17:37.18 | anirban | about the philipes 7130 |
| 17:37.21 | wols_ | anirban: what command? as themill showed you before, the TV card chip is supported by linux. by mint and debian alike |
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| 17:37.46 | anirban | u say me type here before |
| 17:37.58 | anirban | but those time i am in 7 |
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| 17:38.08 | anirban | now i amin kde |
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| 17:39.46 | wols_ | anirban: the info is not needed anymore |
| 17:39.56 | anirban | Ooo |
| 17:40.14 | wols_ | Ashley^: you could try (low chance, but a chance nonetheless) to use a backports kernel |
| 17:40.29 | anirban | i am trying every thing i can but no luck for tv |
| 17:40.32 | Ashley^ | hrm |
| 17:40.41 | Ashley^ | sounds a bit out of my depth |
| 17:41.01 | anirban | System: Host hex Kernel 2.6.31-16-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - KDE64 Community Edition |
| 17:41.02 | anirban | CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) clocked at 2666.814 MHz |
| 17:41.02 | anirban | Graphics: Card nVidia G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1024x768@50.0hz |
| 17:41.02 | anirban | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.02 | anirban | Disks: HDD Total Size: 160.1GB (3.0% used) |
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| 17:42.21 | flo` | hi |
| 17:42.30 | flo` | the unison package seems broken: |
| 17:42.43 | flo` | man unison tells me that the symlink to the manpage is invalid |
| 17:42.48 | flo` | is there a way to fix that= |
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| 17:42.55 | wols_ | Ashley^: you have 2 NICs with pretty much the same chip but neither can do GBit ethernet. doN't you think it's not the GBit NIC that is the problem here? |
| 17:43.07 | iceroot | how to start a daemon ( /etc/init.d/openvpn ) at start automaticly? |
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| 17:43.11 | flo` | the link points to some non-existent alternatives-dir |
| 17:43.17 | anirban | why i am kicked |
| 17:43.26 | anirban | O_o |
| 17:43.29 | iceroot | anirban: flood |
| 17:43.30 | wols_ | iceroot: man update-rc.d basically a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/ to /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:43.38 | cahoot | anirban: don't paste in the cjannel |
| 17:43.40 | iceroot | wols_: thx |
| 17:43.40 | babilen | anirban: 1. Mint is not supported in here 2. You pasted way too many lines into the channel |
| 17:43.43 | cahoot | well |
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| 17:44.14 | frikinz | anirban, read the title of the channel, it says "NO FLOOD" |
| 17:44.17 | anirban | i am not pesting i am just use /exec -o inxi -d |
| 17:44.19 | wols_ | iceroot: which file exactly? |
| 17:44.35 | wols_ | anirban: you were pasting. and if you do that, you get kicked |
| 17:44.36 | anirban | and then boob |
| 17:45.16 | wols_ | flo`: which file exactly |
| 17:45.19 | babilen | iceroot: Take a look at sysv-rc and rcconf too |
| 17:45.21 | wols_ | iceroot: sorry, ENICK |
| 17:45.29 | anirban | wols_ is /exec pesting for #Debian |
| 17:45.43 | anirban | but it is help full |
| 17:45.46 | flo` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.53 | babilen | anirban: mint is not supported here |
| 17:46.00 | flo` | but the manpage for unison-versionnumber works |
| 17:46.21 | babilen | anirban: and use a pastebin if you want to paste something |
| 17:46.29 | wols_ | !tell flo about errors |
| 17:46.29 | anirban | is #debian has some irc command like that |
| 17:46.36 | nervousTwitch | irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint |
| 17:47.09 | anirban | nervousTwitch u can find me there 24 hrs |
| 17:47.17 | anirban | in a day |
| 17:47.22 | wols_ | anirban: then ask there about your mint problems. not here |
| 17:47.23 | nsadmin | anirban that's pasting just the same... it's really about lines / time |
| 17:47.28 | cahoot | anirban: why do you keep arguing ? in effect your commande pasted a flood of out put to the channel |
| 17:47.28 | babilen | anirban: then ask there - and stop being off-topic please |
| 17:47.31 | flo` | wols_, the manpagelink at /usr/share/man/man1/unison.1.gz points to /etc/alternatives/unison.1.gz whic does not exist. |
| 17:47.36 | flo` | that's the problem |
| 17:47.56 | wols_ | flo`: read the errors factoid until you understant it. if you don't: debian.de |
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| 17:48.12 | anirban | sorry for that |
| 17:49.02 | flo` | which errors, wols_ |
| 17:49.02 | wols_ | flo`: the one you said you get from apt |
| 17:49.02 | flo` | the only error was that the manpage is a invalid link |
| 17:49.02 | flo` | i didn't |
| 17:49.02 | Ashley^ | (17:42:34) (wols_) Ashley^: you have 2 NICs with pretty much the same chip but neither can do GBit ethernet. doN't you think it's not the GBit NIC that is the problem here? |
| 17:49.03 | Ashley^ | Look at the ethtool pastebin |
| 17:49.03 | Ashley^ | one has a speed of 1000M/s |
| 17:49.03 | Ashley^ | the other has 100M/s |
| 17:49.03 | flo` | aptitude was very happy with the install. |
| 17:49.03 | Ashley^ | the one with the 1000M/s can't connect to the network for whatever reason |
| 17:49.26 | wols_ | if it can't connect, there is no 1000MBit/s, is there? |
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| 17:49.30 | Ashley^ | yes |
| 17:49.32 | Ashley^ | there is |
| 17:49.35 | nsadmin | right, now it's a matter of are you going to install debian or not, |
| 17:49.58 | Ashley^ | Physically, there is a 1gbit switch, with 1gbit cables, as this PC I am using now is connected to it at that speed |
| 17:50.06 | nsadmin | neither nic can do it in your present env |
| 17:50.34 | Ashley^ | it can |
| 17:50.45 | wols_ | Ashley^: when there is no "ethX up" for the 1000MBit/s adapter, ethtool can talk bullshit until the cows come home and it doesn't matter |
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| 17:51.37 | Ashley^ | So you think if I set the speed of eth1 to 100M/s |
| 17:51.39 | Ashley^ | it will work? |
| 17:51.57 | nsadmin | I'm guessing so, yes |
| 17:51.59 | rgammans | Hey, does anyone know of a luser error I could have made using tar - which turn all my symlinks into 0-length mode 000 files? |
| 17:52.32 | flo` | rgammans, which command line? |
| 17:52.57 | nsadmin | what command line (exact) was used to make the tarballs |
| 17:53.18 | Ashley^ | http://pastebin.com/TX3b8iwU |
| 17:53.21 | Ashley^ | ifconfig^ |
| 17:53.22 | nsadmin | other than that, we can both check the man page :() |
| 17:53.38 | rgammans | flo, yeah from the command line. I think I did (umask 0; tar -C /src -xf- . | tar -C /dst -xf- ) . |
| 17:54.08 | rgammans | pah.first xf should be cf , of course |
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| 17:54.47 | nsadmin | if that's all you did the links should have been represented properly |
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| 17:56.13 | rgammans | nsadmin: yeah, it's what I normally do . I can't see why it went worng but it was over multiplte directory on the src, I haven't got access to /src anymore either. |
| 17:56.25 | rgammans | speed was sort of of the essence. |
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| 17:58.15 | flo` | strange... should have worked |
| 17:58.28 | rgammans | Hmm. there's not an odd mount option that squashes symlinks is there? |
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| 17:59.13 | dondelelcaro | rgammans: no |
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| 18:00.08 | jaalto | IF there any TCL programmer around, could you spot why the if-case doesn't work to test logical (-h OR --help) in http://paste.lisp.org/display/96373 |
| 18:00.52 | Riviera | jaalto: maybe there's a tcl programmer around in a tcl channel |
| 18:01.00 | rgammans | Now , I'm confused. I had my (hosted) server given a new harddrive, I copied the data from the old one with that command - and lost all my symlinks. |
| 18:01.07 | babilen | jaalto: #tcl |
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| 18:01.51 | nick_h | if a CLI command is >1 line long, is there a way to configure terminals to wrap to the next line instead of overwriting the current line? |
| 18:02.17 | nick_h | at the moment, long CLI commands overwrite the current line for me, as you can see here: http://deadorange.com/temp/wrap_to_same_line.png |
| 18:03.04 | rgammans | nick_h: Gnome terminal works like you want for me. |
| 18:03.14 | nick_h | hrm |
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| 18:06.51 | nick_h | rgammans: my customized $PS1 is the culprit |
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| 18:07.16 | rgammans | ahh |
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| 18:09.56 | lxsameer | hi , my root acount is lock , how can i unlock that |
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| 18:10.39 | AimHere | lxsameer, Why's it locked? |
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| 18:11.31 | lxsameer | peterrooney: yeah |
| 18:11.44 | nick_h | it turns out that the non-printing characters in my $PS1 were causing the problem. all i had to do was surround $PS1's value with \[ and \] and the problem's solved |
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| 18:12.15 | AimHere | lxsameer, if you've got physical access to the machine, boot a live distro from removable storage, and edit /etc/shadow and clear the password hash for root |
| 18:12.24 | peterrooney | you can always interrupt the bootloader and append " init=/bin/sh" to the kernel |
| 18:12.28 | lxsameer | AimHere: i don't know , i install debian a while ago |
| 18:13.03 | lxsameer | AimHere: my box does not have cd rom but i can do it in single mode |
| 18:13.04 | AimHere | Assuming that it's just a case of a forgotten password |
| 18:13.24 | lxsameer | peterrooney: does that give me full access |
| 18:14.00 | lxsameer | AimHere: and what will be the root password ? |
| 18:14.17 | peterrooney | seeing as it gives you a root shell, yes. you may have to mount file systems, and possibly remount / (it's been a while since i've had to do it) |
| 18:14.32 | peterrooney | lxsameer: you can set the root password to whatever you want |
| 18:15.04 | Ashley^ | strange |
| 18:15.13 | Ashley^ | every now and then apache will return a completely blank page |
| 18:15.27 | lxsameer | peterrooney: thanks man |
| 18:15.27 | peterrooney | AimHere: but a better question is, why is it locked? |
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| 18:15.56 | peterrooney | sorry, meant "AimHere: had a better question, why is it locked?" |
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| 18:18.28 | paper_cc | can anyone explain why Debian has gdm-2.20 even in unstable? |
| 18:19.40 | paper_cc | (I'm sorry if this can be found out otherwise, I just can't) |
| 18:19.48 | rgammans | paper_cc: qa.debian.org ? |
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| 18:20.25 | rgammans | hmm. no that doesn't quite help. |
| 18:20.41 | dondelelcaro | paper_cc: you'd have to ask the maintainers of gdm itself. I don't know why there hasn't been an upload of a newer version to at least experimental |
| 18:20.47 | valdyn | paper_cc: gdm > 2.20 is an entirely new program which was inferior by the debian developer(s) |
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| 18:20.59 | valdyn | paper_cc: gdm > 2.20 is an entirely new program which was *considered* inferior by the debian developer(s) |
| 18:21.16 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:21.35 | paper_cc | valdyn: thanks. has this been discussed somewhere? |
| 18:21.48 | dondelelcaro | paper_cc: http://old.nabble.com/GDM-version-in-Debian-td26926363.html |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | paper_cc: no idea where i read it |
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| 18:23.33 | rgammans | Found discusion here. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/11/msg00552.html and god the GDM sounds ick. |
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| 18:24.03 | lxsameer | peterrooney: i run that shell but passwd did not work and i get a system error |
| 18:24.22 | wols_ | lxsameer: /msg dpkg errors |
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| 18:24.43 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.12 | lxsameer | wols_: the error is "System error" just it |
| 18:26.03 | valdyn | lxsameer: if / is mounted ro then you need to fsck -f it and reboot |
| 18:26.13 | paper_cc | ok, I think I was confused by gdm-2.28 in Ubuntu and things like (fast-user-switch-applet or gdm >= 2.26) |
| 18:26.25 | paper_cc | valdyn, dondelelelcaro, rgammans: thanks |
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| 18:27.25 | paper_cc | * ... or gdm >= 2.26) in package dependencies |
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| 18:28.52 | lxsameer | valdyn: ok , but what deos that do |
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| 18:29.28 | valdyn | paper_cc: ubuntu uses 2.20 too |
| 18:29.42 | valdyn | paper_cc: the higher versions are just "cheater" packages |
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| 18:30.23 | Ashley^ | Anyone know how I can play an audio file from command line? |
| 18:30.24 | valdyn | paper_cc: err, nm, i misread that, they indeed seem to be using the new one |
| 18:30.39 | valdyn | Ashley^: "play file" |
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| 18:30.54 | Ashley^ | not getting any audio output though |
| 18:31.03 | lxsameer | Ashley^: do you have X? |
| 18:31.07 | Ashley^ | X? |
| 18:31.12 | valdyn | Ashley^: then turn up the volume |
| 18:31.22 | Ashley^ | how, on command line? |
| 18:31.28 | Ashley^ | I don't have a window manager installed. |
| 18:31.29 | Ashley^ | Should I? |
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| 18:31.36 | cusco | alsamixer |
| 18:31.39 | valdyn | Ashley^: no, you can use whatever you want |
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| 18:31.47 | cusco | unmute channels and raise volume levels |
| 18:32.06 | lxsameer | valdyn: that does not work |
| 18:32.07 | Ashley^ | how? |
| 18:32.15 | valdyn | lxsameer: what does not work? |
| 18:32.22 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:32.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:32.29 | Ashley^ | Ok |
| 18:32.30 | lxsameer | valdyn: fsck -f and rebooting |
| 18:32.33 | Ashley^ | I type play *.mp3 |
| 18:32.37 | Ashley^ | no audio comes out of my speakers |
| 18:32.43 | valdyn | lxsameer: what does that do? |
| 18:32.44 | Ashley^ | other audio devices work fine |
| 18:32.47 | Ashley^ | such as iPhone |
| 18:34.05 | cusco | Ashley^: what happens when you type play *mp3 |
| 18:34.29 | cusco | Ashley^: you need to install libsox-fmt-mp3 and sox |
| 18:34.31 | Ashley^ | this output comes up, playing file, shows the time etc |
| 18:34.35 | cusco | ah ok |
| 18:34.35 | Ashley^ | but i'm not getting any audio |
| 18:34.37 | cusco | nevermind |
| 18:34.38 | Ashley^ | I have sox and those |
| 18:34.44 | cusco | Ashley^: use alsamixer |
| 18:34.50 | Ashley^ | what package? |
| 18:34.54 | cusco | to unmute the channels with 'm' key |
| 18:35.14 | cusco | alsa-utils |
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| 18:37.34 | Ashley^ | hrm nothing cusco |
| 18:37.46 | cusco | did you raise them levels? |
| 18:37.54 | Ashley^ | oh hangon |
| 18:37.55 | Ashley^ | got it working |
| 18:38.05 | cusco | cool |
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| 18:39.30 | Ashley^ | thanks for your help cusco |
| 18:39.31 | Ashley^ | :D |
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| 18:40.05 | dvs | what did you do? |
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| 18:40.25 | Ashley^ | Installed alsamixer as guided, turned up the front channel |
| 18:41.13 | cusco | np |
| 18:41.29 | Ashley^ | cusco: is there a way I can manage the bass etc using an equilazier on the cli? |
| 18:41.34 | Ashley^ | equalizer* |
| 18:42.27 | seanw | Hey all. Trying to get a wireless usb adapter working. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta and I can detect the network I wnat in wicd, but wpa_supplicant isn't managing to associate. Where should I look to troubleshoot? |
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| 18:44.04 | babilen | seanw: start with wicd.log |
| 18:44.18 | babilen | seanw: or daemon.log for wpa_supplicant |
| 18:44.46 | dvs | hmmm... there is a 2.632-bpo.2 in backports. Maybe the wiki needs to be updated. |
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| 18:46.02 | Titan8990 | seanw: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 18:46.18 | Titan8990 | doesn't know how he accidently highlighted that |
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| 18:47.07 | Titan8990 | seanw: there is a known issues section there that covers wpa supplicant. It doesn't mention your device specifically but could be related |
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| 18:47.20 | seanw | Titan8990, ah thanks. I will give a shot at the solutoins there. |
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| 18:49.14 | iceroot | is there a way to change the dns-server ( i am using /etc/resolvconf.conf) without /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 18:50.09 | iceroot | oh, its already changed |
| 18:50.30 | Sebby | hello, i`m back , just installed on my router pc Debian and setup the internet connection to use pppoe, good news is that it works, bad news: i don`t know how to setup it to act as a router/gateway and also don`t know what line to add in sources.list so it can down`load packeges like lynx, psybnc .. anny HELP is apreciated |
| 18:50.34 | Scurz- | iceroot: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 18:50.49 | iceroot | Scurz-: yes, bad tab-conpletion on irssi |
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| 18:51.53 | Titan8990 | !tell Sebby about lenny sources |
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| 18:52.22 | Titan8990 | !tell Sebby about sources.list |
| 18:52.34 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 18:52.52 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 18:53.13 | johnfg | I accidentally buggered up my system after an install of openldap. |
| 18:53.15 | seanw | Titan8990, sadly not. Thanks though. |
| 18:53.15 | Posterdati | please I'm trying to compile a library for arm9 using cross compiling... I've got problem generating .a file... |
| 18:53.18 | seanw | looks at daemon.log |
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| 18:54.22 | johnfg | I didn't remember to turn off network manager, and use /etc/networks to bring the network up. I know how to change the /etc/networks from another system. But, can anyone tell me if I can disable network manager the same way, i.e., from another system? |
| 18:54.40 | johnfg | I can't get to a login screen, single-user mode or normal. |
| 18:55.04 | Anura | wh yis there no mention anywhere of clock_gettime being broken, res.tv_sec reports 0 on all clocks and res.tv_nsec is 1 lol |
| 18:55.18 | Anura | what am i supposed to use for accurate timing |
| 18:55.23 | Titan8990 | johnfg: /etc/networks does not exist in debian. How is network-manager preventing the system from coming up? |
| 18:55.28 | Ashley^ | (18:54:57) (Anura) what am i supposed to use for accurate timing |
| 18:55.30 | Ashley^ | a clock? |
| 18:55.41 | johnfg | I meant, /etc/network. |
| 18:55.52 | Titan8990 | johnfg: sorry, you were right, it is networks |
| 18:55.55 | iceroot | is there a way to use ssh (for one host) without a password? to that i can use ssh -X user@host /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 18:55.56 | Anura | Ashley^ come back when you've mastered perl scripts |
| 18:56.01 | Ashley^ | ok |
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| 18:56.08 | Ashley^ | Thought this was #perl |
| 18:56.15 | Titan8990 | johnfg: anyways, what is preventing the system from booting? |
| 18:56.18 | johnfg | Titan8990, because I'm using kerberos and openldap, I've got to have the network brought up manually. |
| 18:56.49 | johnfg | Titan8990, I think its preventing some of the system from booting in the proper order, and thus I can't authenticate. |
| 18:57.09 | Titan8990 | johnfg: is the networking not starting? |
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| 18:57.29 | johnfg | Not at the correct time, no. |
| 18:57.58 | johnfg | It only comes up with the dotted X screen, and the X for the mouse, but nothing beyond that. |
| 18:58.13 | Titan8990 | johnfg: well, if you can boot a livecd, you can chroot into the install, disable network-manager and do any other configuration changes to get your logged in |
| 18:59.24 | Titan8990 | johnfg: disable the display manager as well... that could be a problem with X, unrelated to the networking and kerboros auth |
| 18:59.25 | pallgone | iceroot: yes, use a key to login |
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| 19:00.19 | johnfg | Can you think of any way to disable Network-manager from another system, just accessing the files? |
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| 19:00.37 | KaffeeJunky1231 | wich browser would you recommend for use on debian lenny, I'm currently using epiphany and I'm sometimes experiencing problems with the adobe flash plugin, for example some buttons in a flash player app don't work |
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| 19:01.06 | Titan8990 | KaffeeJunky1231: iceweasel, google chrome, opera. they all work well |
| 19:01.08 | johnfg | I modified /etc/network/interfaces. Maybe that will do the trick. I don't have a livecd at present, but can burn one if I need to. |
| 19:01.10 | dvs | KaffeeJunky1231: iceweasel |
| 19:01.15 | johnfg | Thanks for the help, back in a few... |
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| 19:01.38 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: the rendering engine of iceweasel/firefox and epiphany in lenny is the same |
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| 19:01.47 | KaffeeJunky1231 | Iceweasel is a mozilla offspring, right? |
| 19:02.00 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: iceweasel is firefox |
| 19:02.09 | dvs | in disguise |
| 19:02.23 | KaffeeJunky1231 | does it support html5? |
| 19:02.42 | Titan8990 | does any web browser currently? was that standard even finished? |
| 19:02.43 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: certainly not the version that shipped with lenny |
| 19:03.04 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: but most of what people currently might want about html5 is the <video> tag |
| 19:03.12 | wols_ | Titan8990: several do. sorta |
| 19:03.27 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: which is kind of useless in any firefox |
| 19:03.37 | Titan8990 | According to the W3C timetable, it is estimated that HTML5 will reach W3C Recommendation by late 2010. However, the First Public Working Draft estimate was missed with 8 months, and Last Call and Candidate Recommendation were expected to be reached in 2008,[11] but as of February 2010 HTML5 is still at Working Draft stage in the W3C |
| 19:03.38 | KaffeeJunky1231 | valdyn: is it? |
| 19:03.53 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: for youtube or vimeo, yes |
| 19:03.59 | Titan8990 | wols_: I guess its like wireless N, implemented before finished standard |
| 19:04.15 | icebrain | KaffeeJunky1231: yes, because most sites have H.264 videos, which Firefox doesn't support |
| 19:04.16 | tobago | which boot.img.gz fits to the debian-504-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 19:04.36 | dvs | Titan8990: and WPA |
| 19:04.51 | KaffeeJunky1231 | icebrain: isn't it possible to playpack those with the mplayer plugin? |
| 19:05.10 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: no |
| 19:05.24 | icebrain | KaffeeJunky1231: no. Firefox only uses it's internal codec. |
| 19:05.50 | icebrain | KaffeeJunky1231: the refuse is not on technical terms, it's because H.264 is patent encumbered |
| 19:06.18 | valdyn | the reliance on internal codecs is fucked up in any case |
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| 19:06.25 | pallgone | icebrain: yes and they want 5 million $ a year for licensing from mozilla |
| 19:06.37 | KaffeeJunky1231 | icebrain: so if I use nonfree packages I could playback h.264? |
| 19:06.54 | Titan8990 | mozilla just announced a new version of the MPL that would allow them to include h.264 |
| 19:06.54 | icebrain | KaffeeJunky1231: no! It doesn't support it, period |
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| 19:07.02 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: you cannot use h.264 video in a <video> tag |
| 19:07.10 | valdyn | KaffeeJunky1231: *unless* you use google chrome |
| 19:07.24 | Titan8990 | before, not only was the cost an issue but also the incompatibility with the MPL |
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| 19:08.04 | CalJohn | where would i find the header files that where included with libfcgi-dev ? |
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| 19:08.06 | pallgone | hmm, they change their license to stay in business? lol |
| 19:08.16 | ewook | question - how do I mount a ext4 fs easiest on lenny? |
| 19:08.35 | valdyn | ewook: get a kernel from backports.org |
| 19:08.40 | wols_ | CalJohn: dpkg -L <package> |
| 19:08.52 | wols_ | ewook: get a kernel that has ext4 support |
| 19:08.52 | icebrain | after O'Callahan's post on how it's morally wrong to rely on patent encumbered codecs for the Web, if they end up including it they're nothing but hypocrites. |
| 19:09.03 | wols_ | ewook: backports kernel |
| 19:09.27 | ewook | ah |
| 19:09.36 | ewook | thanks valdyn/wols_ |
| 19:09.40 | ^Willie^ | wols_: hope he have no via based amd system |
| 19:09.50 | CalJohn | wols_: thanks |
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| 19:11.12 | dvs | tobago: http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 19:11.13 | ewook | stupid mistake. reinstalled my nfs with debian, and forgot that it's not supported yet.. |
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| 19:12.43 | ewook | hrm, all the mirrors is listed as sarge-backports. |
| 19:13.05 | dhaivat | Hello. I have debian lenny since quite some time now running on xfce4. Today, I decided to try out kde, so, I ran the following command: sudo apt-get install kde, it said it installed successfully, however, when I do startx, I still get xfce as the desktop enviroment, what's going wrong and how can I fix it? |
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| 19:13.44 | Titan8990 | dhaivat: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 19:14.27 | Titan8990 | dhaivat: you will want to switch it to kde, or edit your users ~/.xinitrc to exec startkde3 |
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| 19:14.38 | iceroot | is there a way to call iceweasel with ssh -X but using the local file-system? so if i want to save a file with iceweasel i see the local file-system not the one i am using the ssh-connection to |
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| 19:15.23 | Titan8990 | iceroot: why run it from the server at all? |
| 19:15.54 | ewook | valdyn: follow-up question, it's in the 2.6.30 kernel, right? so this one should work http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:15.56 | Titan8990 | iceroot: I think you might just want to create an ssh tunnel and configure iceweasel to use a SOCKS proxy |
| 19:16.05 | jimcooncat | iceroot: complicated -- you'd need to use sshfs from your remote *back to* your local |
| 19:16.07 | Titan8990 | iceroot: on your local machine I mean |
| 19:16.36 | AimHere | Wouldn't trying to get some sort of samba type setup be smarter? |
| 19:16.44 | iceroot | Titan8990: because the server is in a vpn to another network i want to reach port 443 on that network, but using ssh -L 9999:remote-ip:9999 and then ssh -L 9999:final-ip:443 is giving me "access denied" but calling icewasel from my "gateway which is in the vpn is working |
| 19:16.58 | AimHere | Use samba or nsf to run iceweasel as though it were on the local machine |
| 19:17.12 | AimHere | Might take some jiggery-pokery too, of course |
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| 19:17.49 | Titan8990 | iceroot: why are you creating two tunnels? |
| 19:17.56 | iceroot | also i tried using xinetd and netcat, to redirect everything from 1443 to the final-server |
| 19:18.07 | iceroot | Titan8990: remote machine - gateway - final-server |
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| 19:18.22 | iceroot | gateway = lenny |
| 19:18.40 | Titan8990 | iceroot: you don't need a tunnel from the gateway to the final server |
| 19:18.57 | iceroot | Titan8990: hm |
| 19:19.02 | Titan8990 | iceroot: you configure iceweasel to use the first tunnel and you should be good |
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| 19:19.30 | iceroot | Titan8990: iceweasel running on the gateway or on the local-machine? |
| 19:19.31 | Titan8990 | iceroot: although, you might have to add your own route |
| 19:19.43 | Titan8990 | iceroot: local machine |
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| 19:20.08 | iceroot | Titan8990: hm, dont want that my local-machine is using the buisness-vpn in any way |
| 19:20.11 | jimcooncat | void my comment, I thought iceweasel was running on remote |
| 19:20.41 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: it was, I was suggesting otherwise |
| 19:21.02 | Titan8990 | iceroot: and you could go with jimcooncat's suggestion of mounting a sshfs share from your local box to the server |
| 19:21.19 | iceroot | Titan8990: i will have a look |
| 19:21.27 | iceroot | jimcooncat: thx |
| 19:21.32 | jimcooncat | would make more sense to run it local to me Titan8990 |
| 19:21.46 | jimcooncat | iceroot: sure, good luck with it |
| 19:22.28 | Titan8990 | iceroot: or you can always just let it download to the server and scp it off manually |
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| 19:24.02 | iceroot | Titan8990: jimcooncat i think i will mount ~/downloads from the gateway to ~/business-share |
| 19:24.31 | ewook | there we go. thanks for the help! |
| 19:24.34 | jimcooncat | iceroot, skip over the gateway |
| 19:25.05 | dhaivat | Titan8990: thank you very much! |
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| 19:25.22 | iceroot | jimcooncat: to mounting ~/downloads (local) to ~/foobar (gateway) and saving all in ~/foobar? which is diretly on my local-machine you mean |
| 19:25.26 | Titan8990 | dhaivat: np |
| 19:25.41 | dhaivat | sorta off topic, but do you guys know how can I add a traditional "X" to close a window in KDE instead of having to go down to the "task bar"? |
| 19:26.16 | pallgone | dhaivat: ? |
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| 19:27.08 | jimcooncat | ssh you@gateway -L 9999 final:443 -- or however the syntax really goes |
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| 19:27.22 | lindi- | 9999:final:443 |
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| 19:28.41 | Titan8990 | dhaivat: sounds like you lack a window manager... is kwin running? |
| 19:28.46 | jimcooncat | I use .ssh/config syntax myself, much easier to read |
| 19:29.57 | Titan8990 | dhaivat: the titlebars or window decorators are created by the window manager. eveything else (desktop, panels, menus) is just part of the DE |
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| 19:30.04 | jimcooncat | ssh you@gateway -L 9999:final:443 ; thanks lindi |
| 19:31.01 | jimcooncat | then just use iceweasel localhost:9999 and you stay on your local filesystem |
| 19:31.07 | iceroot | jimcooncat: ah ok i thought i have to ssh into the gateway, i thoug i can use you user@gateway -L localmachine:9999:gateway:9999 instead of user@gateway -L 9999:server-in-the-company:443 |
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| 19:32.35 | iceroot | jimcooncat: its working like a charm :) |
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| 19:32.57 | jimcooncat | iceroot: you are ssh'ing into the gateway, you're just forwarding the port from server-in-the-company. Only time you'd have to do what you describe is if port 443 can't be accessed from the gateway |
| 19:33.10 | jimcooncat | iceroot: good deal! I'm going to take a nap! |
| 19:33.39 | iceroot | jimcooncat: the error came from the terminal on the buisness-pc not in icewasel |
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| 19:33.56 | mcsmurf | hi, what does a "+" or "-" sign in front of a time server mean when reading the output of "ntpq -p"? the man page does not seem to mention what that means |
| 19:34.12 | iceroot | jimcooncat: but know i can use my local file-system with https://localhost:9999 very nice, thank you |
| 19:34.15 | jimcooncat | iceroot: yes, because your authentication didn't follow through the gateway. There are ways to do that too |
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| 19:35.53 | tarterinik | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:37.17 | tarterinik | "msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 19:40.15 | pallgone | what about speeding up the apt database? is that a good method: http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/archives/521 |
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| 19:41.40 | robbles | In what man page would I find documentation on the /home/<user>/.forward file? |
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| 19:42.28 | rgammans | robbles: your MTAs normally. Exim is the std in these parts |
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| 19:42.58 | robbles | rgammans: thanks |
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| 19:45.13 | rgammans | robbles: I don't think it's in the exim man page though , come to think of it . exim.org has good docs. |
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| 19:48.03 | rgammans | as would I guess /usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt.gz has what your looking for in it |
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| 19:48.16 | robbles | rgammans: yeah, only a brief mention in the man pages. I found what I wanted in the postfix docs, ironically ;) |
| 19:49.06 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.20 | rgammans | robbles: there are differences. |
| 19:50.01 | rgammans | i doubt postfix specially processes files starting '#Exim filter' for a start |
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| 19:50.45 | robbles | I just wanted to confirm something simple (forwarding to multiple addresses) |
| 19:50.55 | rgammans | ah. |
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| 19:56.06 | SolarisBoy | you can do that with aliases no? |
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| 20:06.15 | _fjh_ | Hi I have nearly finished the update to testing. i have now problems opening xterms and see messages "/dev/pts not mounted" |
| 20:06.25 | _fjh_ | Is this something known? |
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| 20:07.17 | Titan8990 | !evdev squeeze |
| 20:07.33 | Titan8990 | !squeeze evdev |
| 20:08.18 | Titan8990 | fails today |
| 20:08.23 | Titan8990 | !udev squeeze |
| 20:08.23 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 20:14.15 | acidapex | hey where's the fortunes file for fortune in debian |
| 20:14.24 | acidapex | i downloaded some cool ones and i want to put them on my server |
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| 20:14.58 | Psi-Jack | dpkg -L fortune ? |
| 20:14.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching fortune |
| 20:15.10 | rgr | games |
| 20:15.13 | acidapex | nice |
| 20:15.17 | acidapex | user/games |
| 20:15.18 | Psi-Jack | dpkg -L fortunes |
| 20:15.18 | dpkg | ii fortunes 2.3-13.3 psi-jack's private porn collection |
| 20:15.19 | acidapex | is the bin |
| 20:15.24 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 20:15.30 | acidapex | usr* |
| 20:15.56 | acidapex | locate *.wri |
| 20:16.00 | acidapex | nothing |
| 20:16.34 | Psi-Jack | Seriously. |
| 20:16.37 | Psi-Jack | dpkg -L fortunes |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | ii fortunes 1.6-3 psi-jack's private stamp collection |
| 20:16.51 | Psi-Jack | It will tell you everything it installed. |
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| 20:17.57 | acidapex | 4ah |
| 20:18.00 | acidapex | ah |
| 20:18.06 | acidapex | thx i found it |
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| 20:18.11 | acidapex | after i installed fortunes |
| 20:18.19 | Psi-Jack | Kinda needed, yep yep. |
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| 20:22.37 | Psi-Jack | Alright, I hear Debian has their own packaging of CentOS/Fedora/RedHat's Directory Server stuff, correct? |
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| 20:25.05 | Psi-Jack | Or is http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu the way to get that Directory Server implemented into Debian? |
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| 20:25.33 | optikfluffel | could anybody tell me how i could realize that my server watches every 5-10 minutes to another server wether a specific file is available and when it is online then download it? |
| 20:26.10 | azeem | optikfluffel: via http? |
| 20:26.27 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: have you tried searching the debian repository for fedora ds? |
| 20:26.52 | optikfluffel | azeem: yes |
| 20:27.00 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: apt-cache search fedora yields nothing with fedora's name in it. |
| 20:27.13 | azeem | that should be easily done with cron+wget I'd say |
| 20:27.24 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: then it's not there (at least not in your configured release) |
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| 20:28.21 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: I'm guessing this is being done into squeeze then? |
| 20:28.27 | optikfluffel | azeem: i unfortunately have no idea how to user cronjobs xD |
| 20:28.31 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: I have no idea. |
| 20:28.39 | optikfluffel | *use |
| 20:28.52 | DogBoy | optikfluffel, that's what documentation is for |
| 20:29.13 | Psi-Jack | It's like the only ONE thing, Debian doesn't have, is the DS. ;) |
| 20:29.15 | optikfluffel | DogBoy: k ^^ |
| 20:29.37 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: it packages all bits of openldap though |
| 20:29.38 | Psi-Jack | But then, the release of openldap in at least Debian 5.0.3 (maybe 5.0.4), was a very bad unstable version to begin with. |
| 20:30.23 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: Yeah. I'd have to use the one from lenny-backports, but yeah. openldap alone isn't all that FedoraDS is. ;) |
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| 20:31.04 | Psi-Jack | Though I'm curious now. Is there a way I can find out EXACTLY which version a package is for through apt-cache? |
| 20:31.30 | Psi-Jack | Ahh show. |
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| 20:32.08 | swiftos | hi, i've just done a fresh install, but I can't browse http web (with explorer like firefox), but other things work (like irc), anyone has an idea ? |
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| 20:32.23 | babilen | Psi-Jack: If you need to check available versions in more than one release use rmadison (devscripts) or "/query judd" "versions <packagename>" |
| 20:32.37 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: also, apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 20:33.24 | babilen | Psi-Jack: apt-cache policy <packagename> will give you the versions in all repositories your system knows about |
| 20:33.28 | Psi-Jack | Dangit. 2.4.11 is all the repos have! |
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| 20:34.09 | Psi-Jack | babilen: judd never responded. |
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| 20:34.46 | Sebby-ZNC | hello |
| 20:35.10 | jelly-hme | judd: versions slapd |
| 20:35.11 | judd | slapd -- etch: 2.3.30-5+etch2; etch-security: 2.3.30-5+etch3; lenny: 2.4.11-1; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny1; sid: 2.4.17-2.1; squeeze: 2.4.17-2.1 |
| 20:35.15 | babilen | Psi-Jack: Hmm, works fine here. Are you a registered user? |
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| 20:35.32 | Psi-Jack | babilen: Yep. |
| 20:35.35 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: /msg judd versions foo, or whatever |
| 20:35.41 | Psi-Jack | Oh. |
| 20:35.43 | Psi-Jack | I know what it is. |
| 20:35.45 | Psi-Jack | I'm +g |
| 20:35.50 | babilen | Psi-Jack: No idea then, try the command jelly gave you |
| 20:36.27 | babilen | !congratulate Psi-Jack |
| 20:36.27 | dpkg | Huzzah Psi-Jack, you did it! |
| 20:36.39 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 20:36.43 | Psi-Jack | But yeah. |
| 20:36.53 | Psi-Jack | Still, only 2.4.11, the one openldap developers strongly do not recommend. |
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| 20:37.11 | Psi-Jack | Unless going with sid or squeeze's specific version. |
| 20:37.27 | Psi-Jack | Guess I could try the dpkg-src. |
| 20:37.41 | jelly-hme | !tell Psi-Jack about ssb |
| 20:37.58 | Sebby-ZNC | i installed Debian netinst this night and i have 2 Network Cards ; 1 for the internet and 1 for the local network... the one for local network is resetting the ip each time i reboot (i meen after reboot has no ip ..i set it to 192.168.10.1) i need help PLEASE and also i wonna setup to run as gateway |
| 20:38.10 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, exactly jelly-hme. |
| 20:38.33 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: that version is in stable come hell or high water... if it's extremely sucky, you can file extremely high prioritized bugs |
| 20:38.39 | Psi-Jack | 2.4.17's better at least. 2.4.11 had some SERIOUS issues with corruption. |
| 20:38.52 | jhutchins_lt | Sebby-ZNC: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 20:39.06 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: they might or might have not been patched by Debian |
| 20:39.10 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: I and everyone else has! 2.4.11. |
| 20:39.16 | Sebby-ZNC | right now i don`t have acces on my PC (windows XP) because Debian isn`t set as gateway .. i run a ZNC to talk in here |
| 20:39.18 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: It's never been touched. |
| 20:39.48 | babilen | ,versions openldap |
| 20:39.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openldap' was found. |
| 20:39.49 | Psi-Jack | OpenLDAP developers will even tell you, 2.4.11 was never considered a "stable" release, ever. |
| 20:39.53 | Sebby-ZNC | i meen acces to the internet .. |
| 20:40.05 | Psi-Jack | babilen: It's slapd :) |
| 20:40.23 | babilen | yeah |
| 20:40.32 | babilen | just found it here ... |
| 20:40.37 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 20:40.48 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: what has never been touched, openldap sources by Debian maintainers? I find that unlikely. |
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| 20:41.42 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: There's been 1 security release. That's it. |
| 20:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | Psi-Jack: Sometimes debian maintainers prefer to apply patches to an older version to stabilize it without changing the API. |
| 20:42.03 | Psi-Jack | jhutchins: Oh, I know, but it's the API that was flawed to begin with. ;) |
| 20:42.13 | Psi-Jack | And the version of bdb it was linked to. |
| 20:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | Psi-Jack: That's especially true with "component" packages that are used by other packages, if the interface spec changes it can break those other packages. |
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| 20:43.14 | wols_ | Sebby-ZNC: man interfaces to set a static IP and install ipmasq and dnsmasq to make your debian a home router |
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| 20:44.37 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: I mean, have you checked some initial 2.4.11-1 wasn't heavily patched from the start? I have no idea. Some maintainer teams practically keep their own trees. Some do a decent job. Some don't. I've no idea what state openldap packaging is in. |
| 20:45.49 | jelly-hme | it might be quite different from what upstream considers "2.4.11", or it might not |
| 20:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | Probably wouldn't hurt to check the bugreports on it. If it's unusuable, which I think is unlikely, then it should be documented. |
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| 20:47.18 | jelly-hme | however, making debian switch versions during the release is inordinately hard to do, even with multiple documented breakage |
| 20:47.44 | Psi-Jack | I think I'll play it safer and just go with the squeeze deb-src version. heh. Too many nightmares of trying to get 2.4.11 specifically to work as expected and not croak a bloody death. |
| 20:47.45 | jelly-hme | a piece of software would quite literally have to be essentially broken for everyone |
| 20:48.00 | Psi-Jack | jelly-hme: Which ironically, it is. ;) |
| 20:48.02 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 20:48.15 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: it happens |
| 20:48.18 | Psi-Jack | And has been, for over a year. |
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| 20:49.01 | thirst | hi guys.. |
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| 20:49.12 | Psi-Jack | A good friend of mine who's primary job is LDAP administrator, informed me of all the issues using Debian 5's packaged openldap. He warned me, but I didn't listen until it hit me just like he said it would. |
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| 20:49.26 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: I'm still on etch on the machine that use slapd in real life. |
| 20:49.43 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, Etch's was fine, for. what was it, 2.2.x? |
| 20:49.45 | Psi-Jack | Or 2.0? |
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| 20:50.07 | jelly-hme | ii slapd 2.3.30-5+etch2 OpenLDAP server (slapd) |
| 20:50.19 | Psi-Jack | Oh... The unstable branch, how funny. ;) |
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| 20:50.41 | jelly-hme | I've never seen any release of openldap as called "stable" |
| 20:50.55 | Psi-Jack | Good point. heh |
| 20:52.16 | Psi-Jack | like I said, I'll probably just try it with squeeze's deb-src, and go from there on my ldap server box, and see how well that goes. |
| 20:52.42 | Psi-Jack | It was that, or actually go with *cringes* centos-ds, which I'm not liking as it is. |
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| 20:53.03 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack, it is better then lenny's, but has some pecularities still |
| 20:53.10 | Psi-Jack | Dunno what it is, but CentOS seems horribly slow. |
| 20:53.22 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: Yeaah.. |
| 20:54.00 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: i strongly recommend to run it on 64bit |
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| 20:54.15 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: What CentOS, or OpenLDAP? heh |
| 20:54.34 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: Debian's openldap |
| 20:55.04 | Psi-Jack | Eh, my LDAP server's just a small little old box. |
| 20:55.12 | Psi-Jack | Not a 64bit machine. |
| 20:55.12 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: baclported from squeeze to lenny, on lenny 64bit is what i meant |
| 20:55.12 | jelly-hme | reads that as "our software is so badly written, it's hitting integer overflows all the time" |
| 20:55.26 | Psi-Jack | hah |
| 20:55.36 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 20:55.37 | jelly-hme | "so use bigger integers" |
| 20:55.45 | jelly-hme | /o\ |
| 20:56.07 | Psi-Jack | I'd literally have a buy another box to get another dedicated ldap server. heh |
| 20:56.17 | Psi-Jack | I probably should, but still. ;) |
| 20:56.31 | jelly-hme | use AD instead! MS will love you |
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| 20:56.46 | Psi-Jack | gets an electrified cluebat out and glares at jelly-hme. |
| 20:56.46 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: for small projects it doe snot mather, but most of the time openldap is used within a bigger envirenment |
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| 20:57.18 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: Yeah. Mine's a smaller environment. I mostly use it for contacts and system-shared users accross all my DMZ servers. |
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| 20:57.26 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: or stick to etch as long as you can |
| 20:57.31 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: It links with my CRM I made. ;) |
| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | remembers when AD was Novell's hot new thing. |
| 20:57.39 | dutchfish | nods |
| 20:58.09 | Psi-Jack | The actual LDAP box I got now, is just an old P3 1.8 GHz with 512mb RAM. |
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| 20:58.52 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: maybe time to consider a less powerhungry one? |
| 20:59.04 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: Oh, it's very not power hungry. |
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| 20:59.20 | Psi-Jack | It's only got a 220 Watt PSU? |
| 21:00.04 | jelly-hme | Psi-Jack: perhaps he wasnts you to use an atom netbook instead |
| 21:00.16 | Psi-Jack | heh. Netbook, or nettop? :p |
| 21:00.16 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: just do the calculation of the watts it has consumed over its lifetime ;) |
| 21:00.26 | Psi-Jack | heh |
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| 21:00.59 | Psi-Jack | Even if I did go with like a $300 slim-line eMachine 64bit computer, it would use more power than this old compaq desktop model does. |
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| 21:01.08 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: but i admit, this is my personal opinion, it totally depends on your needs |
| 21:01.21 | jelly-hme | dutchfish: ask that question again when electricity goes 2-10 times up |
| 21:01.32 | dutchfish | jelly-hme: good point ;) |
| 21:01.34 | Psi-Jack | dutchfish: Heh, in my own home, I have like 13 server boxes. |
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| 21:01.57 | Psi-Jack | Err, 12 servers, 1 desktop, 3 laptops. ;) |
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| 21:02.34 | Psi-Jack | That's including two Dell PowerEdge 830's. heh |
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| 21:06.26 | greymalkin | What's up with udev when doing a dist-upgrade to squeeze? |
| 21:06.39 | greymalkin | It's telling me I'm not going to be able to boot? |
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| 21:08.23 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell greymalkin about squeeze udev |
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| 21:23.09 | greymalkin | Well... that doesn't help much -- now I just get a kernel panic on boot with the new kernel (but not new udev) |
| 21:24.13 | zrin | is it a known fact that USB keyboard does not work in busybox? |
| 21:25.21 | pipeline_ | zrin: no. |
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| 21:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | zrin: Busybox is not Debian. |
| 21:25.37 | jhutchins_lt | zrin: You may have a BIOS setting that may help. |
| 21:25.37 | pipeline_ | zrin: busybox is just a set of shell tools. Whether your usb keyboard works pertains to the kernel and udev. |
| 21:25.55 | zrin | I just found out that I cannot type on the (initramfs) prompt |
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| 21:27.04 | zrin | root fs is on volume group, I gave root=LABEL=root to the kernel, but the init script didn't init lvm, so no root fs ... argh |
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| 21:27.36 | ePax | I have chrooted ssh and when logging in with chrooted user im getting this message on login "-bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable" ... anyone know what the problem can be? |
| 21:28.01 | zrin | i suspect init looks at the root= param to determine if to start lvm ... does it? |
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| 21:30.41 | ryan-c | anyone know why dante a (socks server) isn't available in debian? |
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| 21:32.18 | Bohemian | anybody here use selinux? |
| 21:32.31 | Bohemian | i need to make a web/email server, and need it very secure |
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| 21:32.37 | Bohemian | are there any other options that aren't as difficult? |
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| 21:33.34 | ryan-c | Bohemian: SELinux will probably only marginally increase security there. |
| 21:33.44 | Bohemian | only marginally? |
| 21:33.48 | ryan-c | Bohemian: do you know what selinux does? |
| 21:33.58 | Bohemian | the problem is i need to use tomcat, which has issues with selinux |
| 21:34.01 | Bohemian | to an extent... |
| 21:34.06 | Bohemian | it's basically MAC, i realize |
| 21:34.11 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: selinux is more trouble than it's worth |
| 21:34.13 | Bohemian | does debian have a hardened kernel? |
| 21:34.22 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: unless you have local UNIX users logging into the system, don't bother. |
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| 21:34.41 | Psi-Jack | Actually, PCI actually requires SELinux usage. |
| 21:34.43 | Psi-Jack | Kinda annoying. |
| 21:34.44 | Bohemian | pipeline_: what do you recommend then? |
| 21:34.48 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: uhhhh what |
| 21:34.53 | Psi-Jack | PCI DSS Compliancy. |
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| 21:35.05 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: I would very much like to see the relevant passage from the standard, I'd never heard anything like that before. |
| 21:35.08 | ryan-c | Psi-Jack: Do they require it to be set up in a way that actually helps anything? |
| 21:35.13 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: I recommend not worrying about it for your web/mail server. |
| 21:35.21 | maligor | Bohemian, I think selinux is the only thing available on debian |
| 21:35.24 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: if you have local UNIX users, then, yes, maybe SELinux is worth your time. |
| 21:35.24 | ryan-c | pipeline_: Payment Card Industry, not PCI bus |
| 21:35.35 | Bohemian | well, what security options does debian offer? |
| 21:35.43 | pipeline_ | yes I am aware of what PCI-DSS is |
| 21:35.49 | Psi-Jack | Linux also has grsecure |
| 21:35.52 | pipeline_ | I'm also aware that most people are full of snake oil bullshit |
| 21:35.52 | Psi-Jack | And pax |
| 21:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | Psi-Jack: I don't think it requires selinux explicitly, I think that's just an example method. |
| 21:35.53 | F16Gaming | i've installed nvidia drivers for this card, when i boot i get the nvidia splash screen. but the resolution is stuck at 800x600. when it had windows the res was 1024x800... what did i do wrong? :/ card is nVidia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400 and i've installed "nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx" then i ran "nvidia-xconfig" |
| 21:35.54 | ryan-c | pipeline_: Sorry then. |
| 21:35.59 | maligor | and apparmor |
| 21:36.06 | pipeline_ | PCI-DSS compliance is really just not that hard |
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| 21:36.15 | Psi-Jack | jhutchins_lt: Right. They basically define it as "Application Level Firewall" |
| 21:36.15 | ryan-c | grsecure and pax are worth the trouble. |
| 21:36.19 | pipeline_ | people mostly pay high-priced consultants to amke it hard |
| 21:36.25 | Psi-Jack | and AppArmor is dead. |
| 21:36.29 | Psi-Jack | Novell killed it. |
| 21:36.36 | ryan-c | Bohemian: Also, look into mod_security |
| 21:36.55 | maligor | I think ubuntu uses apparmor now |
| 21:37.00 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 21:37.04 | pipeline_ | mod_security is a small amount of time invested for a small amount of security added. |
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| 21:37.11 | pipeline_ | selinux is a huge pain in the ass for a small amount of security added. |
| 21:37.13 | maligor | so, they probably devel it also |
| 21:37.16 | F16Gaming | xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/J3RpMN2E |
| 21:37.20 | jhutchins_lt | Psi-Jack: There's always more than one way to comply with the standards. |
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| 21:37.37 | iceroot | is there a way to setup a static dns-server? i am using dhcp and the /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten at every reboot. i dont want the dns-server i get from dhcp, but i dont want to use a static ip |
| 21:37.46 | Psi-Jack | jhutchins: Oh, trust me, I know. I actually KIND OF like SELinux+grsecurity. If that's even possible. heh |
| 21:37.51 | Bohemian | ryan-c: thanks. what does grsecure do? i'm coming from fbsd? |
| 21:37.57 | pipeline_ | iceroot: You can edit dhclient.conf to disable that. |
| 21:38.05 | iceroot | pipeline_: ah great, thx |
| 21:38.07 | pipeline_ | iceroot: alternatively, chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:38.25 | Psi-Jack | jhutchins: At work though, it's a matter of HUGE nightmares to bring us up to that point. We have all gentoo servers at work, and there's no upgrade path to go to SELinux. Pain in my arse. But... That's what I'm paid for. |
| 21:38.41 | ryan-c | chattr +i is an awesome way to fuck with jr sysads >:) |
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| 21:38.53 | Bohemian | ryan-c: is doing FDE worth it with a webserver? |
| 21:38.59 | ryan-c | Bohemian: http://www.grsecurity.net/ good summary there |
| 21:39.09 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: Read the standards more carefully. Lots of the objectionable stuff in PCI-DSS isn't mandatory. Also: talk to your auditors. (At the end of the day, the auditor's word is what matters, NOT the standard.) |
| 21:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | has trouble picturing a company that both runs gentoo and wants to be PCI compliant. Or taking it one seriously. |
| 21:39.26 | ryan-c | Bohemian: FDE on a web server is silly unless you're worried about someone stealing the hard drive |
| 21:39.27 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: Yeah, dept manager did talk to an auditor. |
| 21:39.32 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: and it's NOT what you're paid for. You're paid to make sure the environment conforms to auditor expectations, NOT to be a pedant or an asshole. |
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| 21:39.47 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: it's very easy to force objectionable things on users in the name of PCI-DSS. It's harder to actually think about problems :D |
| 21:39.49 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: My boss thought "Application Level Firewall", meant he could get away with tcpwrappers. |
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| 21:39.56 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: he probably can |
| 21:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | Handling your data intelligently takes care of most of the requirements. Doing stupid things with your data leads to serious compliance difficulties. |
| 21:40.12 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: Heh.. No... No... He couldn't. :p |
| 21:40.13 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: bear in mind - most pci-dss auditors are morons. You have to explain what you're doing. There's a lot of advocacy involved here. |
| 21:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps we could move this thread to debian-offtopic? |
| 21:40.49 | Bohemian | ryan-c: okay, any other suggestions? i'll do grsecurity, setup mod_secure, keep up to date, anything else? the issue i have is i will have very sensitive files... we have been subject to hacks before |
| 21:40.54 | Bohemian | we just got a dedicated server |
| 21:41.01 | Psi-Jack | I still LOVE how PCI-DSS claims that you have to encrypt credit cards with two part passwords done by two different people, and the two can never be seen by anyone, ever. It's like.. Umm. That's kind of IMPOSSIBLE. |
| 21:41.17 | ryan-c | Bohemian: if you you get hacked FDE won't help because the drives will be unlocked. |
| 21:41.31 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: ughhh retaining card data ;_; |
| 21:41.38 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: Precisely. |
| 21:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Read this: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 21:41.49 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: Hence, why we need extremely hightened security. |
| 21:41.56 | Psi-Jack | Not just the basic junk. |
| 21:42.02 | ryan-c | Bohemian: What's your threat model? |
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| 21:42.13 | Bohemian | should i set up iptables on the box, or does the datacenter do that for us? |
| 21:42.16 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: no I just meant that the standards for retaining data are always terrible |
| 21:42.18 | Bohemian | ryan-c: you mean what are we hosting? |
| 21:42.23 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: That too! |
| 21:42.36 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: nevertheless SELinux is certainly not a hard and fast requirement for anything. |
| 21:42.38 | ryan-c | Bohemian: What are you hosting and which classes of attackers are you concerned about? |
| 21:42.39 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: And that's something we do a LOT of. |
| 21:42.56 | Bohemian | we're an academic institution that is in the middle east dept... |
| 21:43.12 | Bohemian | i'm worried about anybody who wants to disable the site so the work doesn't stay on the web |
| 21:43.15 | Bohemian | we do off site backups daily |
| 21:43.27 | ryan-c | Bohemian: So your primary concert is DoS? |
| 21:43.28 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: selinux isn't really relevant to your problems, then. |
| 21:43.35 | ryan-c | concern? |
| 21:43.53 | Bohemian | yes |
| 21:44.02 | Bohemian | we aren't worried that the server will be stolen |
| 21:44.05 | Bohemian | it's in a secure place |
| 21:44.16 | Psi-Jack | pipeline_: But yeah.. I agree.. But, as you can understand, with how much data we do retain, SELinux+grsecure/pax (either or both), is not far-fetched from well needed considerations. |
| 21:44.46 | Psi-Jack | Seeings we retain not just customer data, but corporate data as well from thousands of businesses. |
| 21:44.48 | ryan-c | Bohemian: DDoS are Hard to protect against. There is no much you can do server level to stop someone from packeting your server off the net. |
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| 21:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Your server should be seperately firewalled with a system that does throttling to prevent DOS and brute force attacks. If you can't get that, you'll want a local firewall. |
| 21:45.23 | Bohemian | Psi-Jack: would you recommend using pax and gresecurity, or just grsecurity (i think that's more maintained) |
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| 21:45.35 | Bohemian | yeah, i realize |
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| 21:45.39 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: Did you check that link I sent you? |
| 21:45.43 | Bohemian | we are using drupal as our CMS, which is pretty secure |
| 21:45.47 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: i have loaded it |
| 21:45.49 | ryan-c | Bohemian: Use a web mail system that gas a good track record. Run grsecuirty, and use mod_secuirty. keep everything up to date. |
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| 21:45.53 | Bohemian | i'm reading about gresecurity right now |
| 21:45.56 | jelly-home | Bohemian: PaX is (a requisite and big) part of the grsecurity patch. |
| 21:45.57 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: ryan-c is correct; at the end of the day, bandwidth is cheap. DDoS is not possible to conclusively avoid. |
| 21:46.26 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: actually drupal is subject to frequent and serious security holes. You want to keep on top of that shit. http://drupal.org/security |
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| 21:46.59 | ryan-c | Bohemian: TBH, I would avoid anything PHP based. |
| 21:47.00 | Psi-Jack | Bohemian: I think ryan-c's on the dot on this one for ya. |
| 21:47.02 | Bohemian | well, if it's good enough for the white house |
| 21:47.21 | Bohemian | jhutchins_lt: what parts of this guide is most relevant besides the apache part? |
| 21:47.21 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: the white house has a staff and a budget to keep on top of that shit :D |
| 21:47.31 | Psi-Jack | Bohemian: The saying is, "if it's good enough for government work, it's good enough for me.." heh |
| 21:47.38 | pipeline_ | really |
| 21:47.40 | ryan-c | But my 'avoid php' advice is approaching the realm of religious debates. |
| 21:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: The overall view of securing a server & network. |
| 21:47.47 | Psi-Jack | Or rather... |
| 21:47.49 | Bohemian | well, i was hired to keep on top of these... 10h a week |
| 21:47.51 | pipeline_ | where I come from "good enough for government work" means "abominable shit that would only be accepted by the government" |
| 21:47.53 | Psi-Jack | Just "Good enough for government work. ;) |
| 21:47.55 | jelly-home | would like to see a government work |
| 21:48.03 | ryan-c | heh |
| 21:48.16 | pipeline_ | jelly-home: if it's still taxing you, it must be working :D |
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| 21:49.07 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: What's important is whatever's important to you. |
| 21:49.42 | ryan-c | Bohemian: Also, if you want to protect email contents, look into using S/MIME. |
| 21:49.54 | Psi-Jack | Or GnuPG |
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| 21:50.26 | Bohemian | i don't think the professors would have any clue on encrypting email |
| 21:50.28 | Bohemian | so that's kind of out |
| 21:50.55 | Psi-Jack | Thunderbird + Enigmail makes it so easy. |
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| 21:51.13 | isfranc | hello |
| 21:51.48 | isfranc | i don t find a xen kernel for sid in apt, have you information for have this ? |
| 21:51.51 | Bohemian | can anyone recommend a good tutorial on doing postfix/dovecot? i haven't done it in about a year and it can be a PITA |
| 21:52.04 | ryan-c | Bohemian: I've actually played with my personal server... I threw together a hack that checks if email is encrypted and if not encrypts it before delivery. |
| 21:52.11 | zrin | initramfs' scripts/local-top/lvm2 checks if root starts with /dev/mapper and contains at least one dash, otherwise the volume group won't be activated. therefore root=LABEL=root won't work if root fs is on LV |
| 21:52.21 | ryan-c | Bohemian: Debian uses exim by default, FYI. |
| 21:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | Bohemian: There's one on the debian wiki. |
| 21:52.47 | zrin | Isn't that cheap? ... |
| 21:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | pretty sure the default config files work out-of-the-box. |
| 21:52.59 | Bohemian | does it use vhosts? |
| 21:53.18 | Bohemian | er s/vhosts/sql |
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| 21:53.34 | ryan-c | Bohemian: http://struction.de/projects/HOWTO_VirtualMail_Exim-MySQL-Spamassassin-ClamAV-Dovecot/ < I use this, however it the site seems to be down. Google cache or archive.org |
| 21:53.38 | zrin | Bohemian: yes, there is a good howto, ... just a moment |
| 21:54.28 | ryan-c | Bohemian: yeah, google cache has it. |
| 21:54.31 | zrin | Bohemian: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny |
| 21:54.32 | jelly-home | Bohemian: typically one starts looking for postfix documentation at... postfix.org |
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| 21:55.01 | Sier | hi, I'm trying to use "pastebinit" to pastebin something, but it's returning the default URL (http://pastebin.com, instead of http://pastebin.com/blablbla) |
| 21:55.02 | jelly-home | I believe it has links to workaround.org. among other stuff |
| 21:55.06 | Sier | anyone know why? |
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| 21:55.12 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: postfix doesn't care what you use as the backing store for e.g. mailbox names. SQL, hashtables, a text file, whatever. |
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| 21:55.29 | jelly-home | Sier: yeah, api seems to have changed and the script is now failing |
| 21:55.32 | isfranc | i don t find a xen kernel for sid in apt, have you information for have this ? |
| 21:55.47 | pipeline_ | isfranc: I thought the default kernels had xen built-in ? |
| 21:55.51 | Sier | jelly-home, is tehre any other tools available for this? |
| 21:56.27 | jelly-home | Sier: a cli browser? |
| 21:57.21 | pipeline_ | isfranc: yeah, the normal kernels have it. apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 21:57.26 | jelly-home | Sier: echo test | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net seems to work for me |
| 21:57.53 | isfranc | pipeline_, thanks i see for this |
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| 21:58.34 | rgr | moving to the stock .33 kernel with the squeeze libararies has rmeoved all the freezes I have been experiencing related to video mode toggles with intel graphics on my thinkpad. just fyi. |
| 21:58.50 | Bohemian | zrin: perfect, thank you |
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| 22:01.18 | zrin | Bohemian: you're welcome, ... as with any howto, bla bla, you know ... let me know how it went |
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| 22:01.30 | Sier | jelly-home, worked fine, thanks a lot. |
| 22:01.36 | Bohemian | how difficult will i find moving my debian install over from my mac in vmware to my dedicated server once everything is set up? |
| 22:02.06 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: depends on your chosen method |
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| 22:02.18 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: easiest options: convert the vmdk to a flat image, dd it to the server's disk |
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| 22:02.38 | Bohemian | not sure how to do that.. what does that mean? |
| 22:02.40 | MarkGi | Hi, I have a very intermittant problem with my Debian install (on a sheevaplug). Every now and again, my SD card ends up being mounted read-only, and my mail server grinds to a halt, and I can log in via ssh etc... A reboot does not fix it, but a power cycle seems to. My /var is mounted on the SD Card (to reduce wear on the internal nand) |
| 22:02.42 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: next best: install a vanilla debian on the target host, then export your configurations using debconf-get-selections and dpkg --get-selections, followed by a dselect-upgrade. |
| 22:02.44 | zrin | Bohemian: btw, I wrote a simple web interface to manage mailboxes and aliases |
| 22:03.00 | zrin | Bohemian: how about running vmware on that server as well? |
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| 22:03.43 | pipeline_ | MarkGi: well, if you have a problem with /var, you obviously won't have any logs of the issue. I suggest you run "dmesg | tail" to read the kernel ring buffer before rebooting. I'll bet your SD card is bad, the filesystem detects an error/corruption, then remounts RO. |
| 22:04.02 | Bohemian | zrin: oh? that would be nice :) it can be a pain to go into the db |
| 22:04.03 | Bohemian | :) |
| 22:04.08 | Bohemian | zrin: wouldn't that slow things down? |
| 22:05.08 | Bohemian | hrm, should i make the /home partition its own, or put all files in one partition? (i'm setting up debian now in vmware, which will go on its own server with a 200GB HDD) |
| 22:05.10 | zrin | Bohemian: it depends on the setup - if the system is tuned well the difference is minimal |
| 22:05.22 | Wyzard | Can anyone tell me, or point me to a document explaining, why mdadm's default chunk size was recently changed from 64k to 512k? |
| 22:05.30 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: no matter what you do, use LVM |
| 22:05.38 | Bohemian | pipeline_: why? |
| 22:05.44 | Bohemian | isn't that FDE? |
| 22:05.52 | jelly-home | MarkGi: that sounds like a driver of hardware issue, you should probably inquire in a place more specific for that hardware (or architecture) |
| 22:05.57 | jelly-home | s/of/or/ |
| 22:06.01 | zrin | Bohemian: separate the partition for the database and e-mail storage |
| 22:06.08 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: FDE ? |
| 22:06.13 | Bohemian | full disc encryption |
| 22:06.26 | Bohemian | zrin: so i need to make a custom partition map? |
| 22:06.27 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: you can use LVM for that, but you don't have to. You should *always* use LVM. |
| 22:06.33 | Bohemian | what is LVM? |
| 22:06.42 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: LVM gives you a lot of flexibility to move filesystems around without downtime. |
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| 22:06.55 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: e.g. add space to a disk, and distribute that new disk space among multiple filesystems. |
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| 22:06.56 | Bohemian | so, changing GB size of partitions will be easy? |
| 22:06.58 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: yes |
| 22:06.59 | Bohemian | awesome! |
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| 22:07.13 | Bohemian | because i'm only dedicating 8GB to this until i get it on the actual server |
| 22:07.19 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: alsos, if you need to move to new storage: install the new disk, move the filesystem (still mounted!) to the new disk, unplug old disk. No downtime! |
| 22:08.06 | Psi-Jack | CLVM is even better. ;) |
| 22:08.07 | zrin | Bohemian: you can't have /boot on LVM, so you'll need 3 partitions: /boot, swap and LVM PV |
| 22:08.17 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: googling churns up mailing list posts - larger chunk sizes just proved to be empirically faster. |
| 22:08.24 | pipeline_ | zrin, Bohemian : You can (and should) put swap on LVM also. |
| 22:08.46 | pipeline_ | zrin, Bohemian : So really two partitions: /boot, LVM PV. |
| 22:08.51 | Bohemian | how should i make the partition scheme? all files in one partition? spearate /home partition or separate home usr var and tmp partitions? |
| 22:08.56 | Psi-Jack | Eh? Why should you put swap on lvm? |
| 22:08.56 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 22:09.05 | pipeline_ | Psi-Jack: the same reason you put anything else on LVM |
| 22:09.25 | zrin | pipeline_: even if you use md-raid? |
| 22:09.54 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: I usually put everything into a single filesystem. For a mail server specifically, I would break out /var. /tmp is up to you. Some people like it to be swap-backed. |
| 22:10.09 | jelly-home | zrin: LVM doesn't care as long as it smells like a block device |
| 22:10.27 | pipeline_ | zrin: you can use LVM on top of md |
| 22:10.57 | pipeline_ | zrin: there is one danger though: older kernels, lvm doesn't provide write barriers. Meaning: big ugly write hole on md raid 5/6. Meaning: use a UPS. |
| 22:11.07 | fo00dns | hello folks is there a command to send to the bot so that it gives all info in its FAQ knowledge base so that i can read them offline. |
| 22:12.00 | Bohemian | pipeline_: it's easy with LVM to change the sizes of partitions? |
| 22:12.10 | Bohemian | once made, that is |
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| 22:12.35 | Psi-Jack | Bohemian: In the case of LVM, it's volumes, and yes. But the filesystem needs support to grow and or shrink. |
| 22:12.36 | zrin | jelly-home: I usually create a swap partition on every disk with partitions otherwise in md-raid (1 or 10), label them and use e.g. LABEL=swap1 none swap sw,pri=1 in fstab, so swap will use all disks, won't go through md and lvm and won't suffer if some disks fail |
| 22:12.39 | pipeline_ | Bohemian: very, very, very easy. |
| 22:13.14 | Psi-Jack | I do notice one thing about Debian 5.0.4 though, and LVM. |
| 22:13.18 | Wyzard | pipeline_: Thanks... I guess I'll need to do some testing of my own |
| 22:13.34 | Psi-Jack | It NEVER seems to successfully fully shut down LVM before rebooting. Always fails because / is on LVM. |
| 22:14.13 | Wyzard | Psi-Jack: afaik that's not a problem |
| 22:14.24 | jelly-home | zrin: do you systems not panic when a block device with active swap on it dies? |
| 22:14.25 | Psi-Jack | No, it's not, generally. |
| 22:15.48 | zrin | jelly-home: that's a con of that approach, or a compromise - they do and then reboot |
| 22:16.08 | jelly-home | zrin: so, you prefer that to having swap on a md? |
| 22:16.13 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 22:16.14 | rgr | resizing lvms is far from easy. |
| 22:16.56 | jelly-home | rgr: resizing VGs and LVs is easy. PVs you just add and remove. |
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| 22:17.34 | rgr | didnt seem easy last time I tried. quite convoluted in fact. but then I was using comman dline. |
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| 22:18.32 | jelly-home | I used command line too. It was pretty much lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/mapper/vg0-cartman |
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| 22:19.28 | jelly-home | (and a vgextend before that, to add a new pv, and a pvcreate before that, to format the pv) |
| 22:20.14 | jelly-home | it's quite easy when you know how the parts fit together |
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| 22:22.36 | zrin | jelly-home: it depends - through last 2-3 years I had problems with disk I/O performance on machines running vmware server, that made me use this swap solution; now I'm adding more disks to these systems, so swap has it's own raid10 |
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| 22:23.54 | GPenguin | sorry to disturb, but it seems like debootstrap fetches and installs packages in a specific order - which logic does it follow? |
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| 22:25.28 | saulgoode | hi, i'm using debian on my router. what's the best way to load nf_conntrack_ftp/irc modules (formerly ip_conntrack_ftp/irc, I think)? |
| 22:26.10 | zrin | jelly-home: I had alot more problems because machines did not boot that because they rebooted on disk failure |
| 22:26.32 | zrin | s/that/than |
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| 22:26.58 | saulgoode | i mean, the best way to load them on boot time. |
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| 22:28.24 | jelly-home | saulgoode: /etc/modules is the place to put modules you want loaded automatically |
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| 22:30.23 | saulgoode | jelly-home: do i have to put the dependencies of modules also in /etc/modules, e.g. nf_conntrack_ftp depends on nf_conntrack. |
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| 22:30.37 | saulgoode | or are the loaded automatically |
| 22:30.39 | saulgoode | ? |
| 22:30.57 | Zbyshek | automatically |
| 22:31.23 | saulgoode | ok thx |
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| 22:32.14 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. |
| 22:32.36 | Psi-Jack | How would I determine if a CPU has AMD-V on it by cli tools? |
| 22:33.19 | Psi-Jack | Considering buying a new system just like one I already have, to use for virtualization purposes. heh |
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| 22:35.44 | xylox | on debian squeeze, after last update, gnome-power-manager no longer detects the laptop battery, is this a known/reported bug? |
| 22:36.51 | jelly-home | saulgoode: you don't need to |
| 22:37.00 | aropupu | Psi-Jack: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 22:37.22 | babilen | xylox: check the bts - can't confirm that issue though |
| 22:37.38 | aropupu | Psi-Jack: you should see "svm" in the flags section if your cpu has amd-v |
| 22:37.50 | Psi-Jack | Ahhh, yes, it does. ;) |
| 22:38.04 | babilen | Psi-Jack: kvm ftw? |
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| 22:38.24 | Psi-Jack | Not sure. I want to actually play with several vm options to see which I actually like working with. |
| 22:38.46 | babilen | Psi-Jack: Hope you enjoy it. Tell us about your findings :) |
| 22:38.48 | Psi-Jack | I'm not big on vm's as it is, but I figure I should start at least learning it all as it seems to be "the future". |
| 22:39.18 | Psi-Jack | Figure, a $400 dual-core Athlon X2 with 6GB should be enough to play and learn. |
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| 22:40.26 | slb_ | im trying to set up bind on my local lan so that i can setup wildcard dns and address subdomains by name using windows, however I'm having some trouble..I configured my bind zone files and then i try to do an nslookup and it says server cant find 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN..its very possible i didnt configure things proplery as im pretty new to this hwoever IVe read several articles which seemed to be teh same thing regurgitated from ano |
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| 22:42.23 | arle | !grub |
| 22:42.23 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 22:43.46 | fernandotcl | is xdm broken for anyone else? |
| 22:44.26 | TRT | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 22:44.38 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 22:44.43 | babilen | !tell arle -about selftell |
| 22:45.12 | babilen | fernandotcl: You are the first to raise that issue here. How come xdm suddenly misbehaves? Have you changed anything? |
| 22:45.34 | Strogg | how I do see what post-install scripts are being run after a package is installed? I'm installing dovecot and it's getting my hostname wrong in the cert it generates and I'm trying to figure out why |
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| 22:46.10 | fernandotcl | babilen: xdm got an update today. after the update, when xdm starts up i get an xterm instead of my window manager. .xsession is properly configured |
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| 22:46.15 | jelly-home | Strogg: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{config,postinst} |
| 22:46.24 | Strogg | jelly-home: Ahh. wicked. Thanks! |
| 22:46.24 | jelly-home | !tell Strogg about hostname |
| 22:46.34 | fernandotcl | by properly configured i mean "exec i3", which is my window manager |
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| 22:46.55 | fernandotcl | i was wondering if anyone else is getting this behavior |
| 22:47.03 | babilen | fernandotcl: Ah, not running stable. Check the bts for bug reports. |
| 22:47.39 | fernandotcl | i looked there, didn't find anything related to it. i'm unsure if it's a bug or not (it might have been some upstream change) |
| 22:48.28 | Strogg | jelly-home: hrmm thanks. am I supposed to be putting my FQDN in there? that's what I have now, but dovecot is coming up with foo.ca.ca as my hostname, instead of foo.ca |
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| 22:48.42 | Strogg | But, when I just put foo, hostname -s and hostname -d give me grief. |
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| 22:49.59 | jelly-home | Strogg: shortname in /etc/hostname; fqdn _and_ shortname in /etc/hosts for your primary IP |
| 22:50.05 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 22:50.19 | Strogg | Ahh. that's what I'm doing wrong then |
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| 22:52.18 | Strogg | Rocking. |
| 22:52.24 | Strogg | jelly-home: thanks a bunch |
| 22:52.27 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 22:53.25 | soulslayer | hello there i want to ask is http://unsupported.debian-maintainers.org/backports-kernel/ a legal debian repository |
| 22:53.36 | soulslayer | i read wiki.debian.org |
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| 22:54.55 | jelly-home | legal? |
| 22:55.26 | soulslayer | hmm yep maybe i am unfamiliar whti the word backport |
| 22:55.34 | jelly-home | !bpo |
| 22:55.34 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 22:56.10 | jelly-home | soulslayer: what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 22:56.25 | soulslayer | for update the to ath5k driver |
| 22:56.39 | soulslayer | i have a tutorial how to do it without kernel change |
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| 22:57.07 | soulslayer | but in wiki.debian.org i read for the option to try backport kernel where that driver is included |
| 22:57.15 | jelly-home | soulslayer: I suggest using a bpo kernel, I you have a need for one newer than what's in lenny |
| 22:57.39 | azeem | http://unsupported.debian-maintainers.org/backports-kernel/ is no the backports.org repository, if you are asking that |
| 22:58.24 | ziggy | im having a hell of a time with the NVIDIA driver? anyone care to help? http://pastebin.com/xLnmbf9g |
| 22:58.29 | soulslayer | nope nope the corrct question was is it secure to use http://unsupported.debian-maintainers.org/backports-kernel/ |
| 22:59.07 | themill | soulslayer: perhaps the clue is in the URL |
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| 23:00.14 | soulslayer | hah :) not exactly i open it but there is no way to know is it secure |
| 23:00.34 | soulslayer | i think i will use the backports.org repository thank you guys |
| 23:01.03 | themill | soulslayer: perhaps you have a different definition of "secure" to the rest of us... but "unsupported" rarely features in "secure". |
| 23:01.04 | soulslayer | ziggy, ... i instal my nvida driver from a package if i remember correct |
| 23:01.19 | ziggy | a packae? |
| 23:01.24 | soulslayer | .deb |
| 23:01.28 | ziggy | im running squeeze |
| 23:01.35 | ziggy | where is the package? |
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| 23:02.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ziggy about nvidia squeeze |
| 23:02.22 | km0ti0n | I'm running lenny and I woudl like to install a version of a package that on sid, is there a way to get the package and it's dependancys? |
| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | km0ti0n: backport it (and any dependencies, if you need). /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:03.24 | jelly-home | km0ti0n: which package? |
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| 23:03.30 | soulslayer | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:04.10 | soulslayer | maybe that will work on squueze ... i prefere to not give my sugestion's here i am not a profesional user and maybe talking things that will confuse you |
| 23:04.10 | soulslayer | :) |
| 23:04.15 | km0ti0n | jelly-home: rtorrent, the one with lenny doesn't have sufficient xmlrpc support for rutorrent |
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| 23:04.52 | jelly-home | km0ti0n: right, that one is not too hard to backport, you need to backport and install libtorrent before it. |
| 23:04.57 | debclair | sorry, i got some problems installing the build-essential package, it says it needs some old/new versions of other packages, but whatever I do, I cant get it right... |
| 23:05.14 | km0ti0n | jelly-home: so it shoudl just be that one dependant that I need to mess with? |
| 23:05.24 | jelly-home | km0ti0n: yes. |
| 23:05.30 | afw2w3 | Is there a reason that wpasupplicant requires x11? Is there a way to safely force it to install while avoiding x11? |
| 23:05.42 | km0ti0n | backport, that sounds like going backa revision, I was after a newer version. |
| 23:05.55 | jelly-home | km0ti0n: you don't need to mess with it, just backport that too. |
| 23:06.24 | km0ti0n | Okay I'll read up on backports, thanks jelly-home |
| 23:06.24 | jelly-home | !tell km0ti0n about backport |
| 23:06.39 | jelly-home | !tell km0ti0n about ssb |
| 23:07.47 | km0ti0n | sweet thanks jelly-home I'll get starting on that. |
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| 23:08.09 | jelly-home | judd: depends wpasupplicant |
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| 23:08.11 | judd | wpasupplicant -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libpcsclite1 (>= 1.4.102), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), adduser. |
| 23:08.55 | afw2w3 | wpasupplicant: dbus dbus-x11 libdbus-1-3 libexpat1 libpcsclite1 libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb-xlib0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 |
| 23:09.13 | afw2w3 | judd: depends dbus |
| 23:09.15 | judd | dbus -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), adduser, debianutils (>= 1.22.0), lsb-base (>= 3.2-14). |
| 23:09.33 | Wyzard | afw2w3: That's some X client libraries, not an actual X server |
| 23:09.51 | afw2w3 | Understood - still, there is no reason to require x11 libraries for wpasupplicant.... |
| 23:10.00 | jelly-home | afw2w3: also, read about aptitude's -R / --without-recommends option |
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| 23:10.11 | afw2w3 | got it, thank you |
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| 23:10.58 | jelly-home | Recommends: often pull in crap |
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| 23:15.31 | jelly-home | !recommends |
| 23:15.38 | jelly-home | !why recommends |
| 23:15.38 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality. |
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| 23:17.27 | Arrowmaster | i am not missing any functionality by refusing to install cvs just because ive got built-essential and something along the chain recommends cvs |
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| 23:22.21 | themill | Arrowmaster: except that no such link exists. |
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| 23:24.23 | Arrowmaster | themill: does too, gettext recommends autopoint which depends on cvs |
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| 23:25.32 | themill | not in lenny |
| 23:25.51 | jelly-home | judd: recommends gettext |
| 23:25.53 | judd | gettext -- recommends: curl | wget | lynx. |
| 23:26.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont use lenny |
| 23:26.13 | iVibe | /connect irc.gamesurge.net |
| 23:26.18 | themill | Arrowmaster: Have you filed a bug? |
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| 23:26.26 | Arrowmaster | its not really a bug |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | IME a frivolous Recommends is, nowadays, a bug |
| 23:26.49 | themill | Arrowmaster: the way you complain about it you'd think it was. (And I'd say that it probably is) |
| 23:27.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know enough about it to know if its a frivolous recommends |
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| 23:32.12 | endri | hello i have a problem with my cd drive and i want to reinstall debian within a booted debian system. is that possible? |
| 23:32.48 | Wyzard | endri: You can't reinstall to the partition that you're running the system from, though you could create a new installation on a different partition |
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| 23:33.03 | Wyzard | endri: Take a look at the debootstrap package for that |
| 23:33.43 | saulgoode | How do I add some host names of my LAN to a bind9 DNS configuration? |
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| 23:34.16 | saulgoode | I want these host names to be resolved by bind9 |
| 23:35.01 | rfranknj | hey, i'm having a strange problem.. whenever i start an app in fluxbox right now, the app never shows up and fluxbox just starts eating cpu.. it goes up to like 80% and just sits there |
| 23:35.15 | SPF | bind9 was a pain to configure, never got it to work. I use dnsmasq instead. uses /etc/hosts for dns, just add your LAN hosts there |
| 23:35.22 | jelly-home | rfranknj: any app, or a particular one? |
| 23:35.32 | rfranknj | jelly-home: i tried just doing fbrun.. and roxterm |
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| 23:35.50 | jelly-home | rfranknj: can you... restart fluxbox? |
| 23:35.54 | rfranknj | jelly-home: just tried vlc it actually showed up in the system tray but never drew the window |
| 23:35.58 | rfranknj | did many times |
| 23:36.03 | rfranknj | and killed x / restarted |
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| 23:36.13 | jelly-home | rfranknj: does vlc work when started from a terminal? |
| 23:36.26 | Wyzard | endri: You can also boot the Debian installer from a flash drive instead of CD |
| 23:36.27 | Arrowmaster | endri: you could try using usb flash drive for the installer |
| 23:37.01 | saulgoode | SPF: hm, I need this on a router. does dnsmasq also forward requests? |
| 23:37.20 | Wyzard | saulgoode: No, but neither does BIND; that's the kernel's job in either case |
| 23:37.37 | Wyzard | Oh, wait, you meant forwarding DNS requests, not general packet forwarding |
| 23:37.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: bind does have a recursor built in |
| 23:37.47 | Arrowmaster | ive cheated before and dropped the netboot into grub on a system with a broken cd drive |
| 23:38.03 | saulgoode | Wyzard: yup, i mean DNS forwarding |
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| 23:38.59 | Arrowmaster | saulgoode: dnsmasq is used by many of the alternative router firmwares |
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| 23:39.16 | rfranknj | jelly-home: tried doing DISPLAY=:0 abiword in a terminal |
| 23:39.19 | rfranknj | now fluxbox is eating cpu again |
| 23:39.26 | rfranknj | 100% |
| 23:39.37 | rfranknj | xorg is like 40% |
| 23:39.56 | dirkson | Hey all. Running 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet -d /var/www/nginx-default/orangehattech.com/htdocs/richard/ --chuid 2053 --exec /usr/bin/hg serve' manually works. Running it as part of a start script does not. No errors are produced. What would be going on here? |
| 23:39.58 | Wyzard | saulgoode: It can definitely forward to a specific other resolver (a "forwarder" in BIND parlance) and I'm pretty sure it can also act as a recursive nameserver (but not certain because I don't use it that way) |
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| 23:40.32 | SPF | saulgoode: no, but if you edit resolv.conf it works. Make sure you put your LAN dns first ( nameserver 192.168.0.3 ) followed by your gateway dns ( nameserver 192.168.0.1 for example ) |
| 23:40.39 | jelly-home | rfranknj: can you strace -ff -p $(pidof fluxbox), see if there's anything obvious it's hung on |
| 23:41.14 | Arrowmaster | SPF: yes it does |
| 23:41.15 | Wyzard | saulgoode: What I do is run pdnsd and resolvconf on my router, to automatically pick up on any DNS server changes from my DHCP lease |
| 23:41.32 | Wyzard | saulgoode: and on the machine where I run dnsmasq, I have it set up to forward all requests to the pdnsd on the router |
| 23:41.40 | rfranknj | jelly-home: i see lots of reads returning EAGAIN |
| 23:41.41 | endri | debootstrap seems very good |
| 23:42.00 | endri | can i install the debian system with that??? |
| 23:42.13 | SPF | Arrowmaster: how do you explain that it stops working when I remove my gateway dns from /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:42.20 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. |
| 23:42.20 | jelly-home | rfranknj: use lsof to see what file/socket/whatever is open on that fd |
| 23:42.27 | EduardeCalibal | I have a small problem with my memory. |
| 23:42.31 | Arrowmaster | SPF: then you havent configured dnsmasq properly |
| 23:42.47 | saulgoode | wyzard: ah, so you run dnsmasq on a client, not the router itself? |
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| 23:43.18 | SPF | Arrowmaster: well, for workaround I put my gateway dns in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail. that also worked |
| 23:43.20 | EduardeCalibal | If I see in top I use only 33% but when I see in free I use all. In system monitor I see "55% in use as cache". Strange. What I do for free some memory? |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 23:43.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 23:44.03 | Psi-Jack | What's the CPU flag for Intel's equivalent to AMD-V?> |
| 23:44.07 | rfranknj | jelly-home: i'm not entirely sure how to do that.. not familiar with lsof.. it's caling read(4, some addrs, 4096) so i'm assuming 4 is the fd? |
| 23:44.15 | jelly-home | rfranknj: right |
| 23:45.01 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, I think is it abrotman, but I have a file for config how much memory I use as cache? |
| 23:45.02 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: something like "vmx" |
| 23:45.06 | Wyzard | saulgoode: Well, my router consists of three VMs running under Xen on a single machine |
| 23:45.27 | Psi-Jack | jelly-home: vme maybe? |
| 23:45.36 | Wyzard | saulgoode: One's the actual router, running the DHCP client, pdnsd and resolvconf, and firehol for firewalling |
| 23:45.37 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: no, vmx |
| 23:45.51 | Wyzard | saulgoode: One runs dnsmasq and some other internal services |
| 23:46.10 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. Well, crikes! My Dell PowerEdge 830's don't have vmx. |
| 23:46.13 | rfranknj | jelly-home: well, i see a couple procs. ssh, fluxbox, dbus stuff, gvfsd, fbrun and lsof |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: huh ? |
| 23:46.15 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm syscall lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx <- THIS est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 23:46.17 | Wyzard | saulgoode: The third's just to take up the rest of the RAM and disk on the machine; I use it for file storage and Apache |
| 23:46.28 | rfranknj | jelly-home: ssh probably because i'm sshed into another box where my irssi is |
| 23:46.30 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: free ram is wasted RAM .. the system will free RAM used for cache when it needs to |
| 23:46.54 | Wyzard | saulgoode: so I run dnsmasq on my router, just not *really* on my router |
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| 23:47.05 | jelly-home | rfranknj: I mean, use lsof to list see fluxbox's open files |
| 23:47.17 | EduardeCalibal | I understand but when I try use this RAM I need 1~2 minutes and the system have many delay in this process... |
| 23:47.40 | saulgoode | Wyzard: ok that's a more sophisticated setup than i have. |
| 23:47.58 | SPF | Arrowmaster: I spend hours in the past to get dnsmasq configured. But it's easier not to configure dnsmasq at all. Then all started to work |
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| 23:48.09 | Bhavic | Hi, I just installed debian (first time!) on one of my home computers, but i have no idea how to get networking on it. |
| 23:48.22 | Bhavic | Could anyone point me in the right directroy |
| 23:48.25 | Bhavic | direction* |
| 23:48.38 | jelly-home | rfranknj: if fd 4 is /tmp/.X11-unix/X0, that doesn't say much as it's X server's control socket and it's kind of normal for it to be laggy at times |
| 23:48.45 | saulgoode | Wyzard: i just want to have my DNS demon on the router to resolve some host names of the LAN for the clients on the LAN |
| 23:48.57 | rfranknj | jelly-home: lsof -p $(pidof fluxbox) ? |
| 23:49.14 | jelly-home | rfranknj: something like that, yes |
| 23:49.21 | saulgoode | Wyzard: so in your setup i'd probably touch the pdnsd configuration. |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | EduardeCalibal: no, it takes far less time |
| 23:49.34 | Wyzard | Bhavic: For a normal machine with Ethernet, you shouldn't need to do anything special; it should've been set up already during installation |
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| 23:49.44 | abrotman | Bhavic: what kind of networking? |
| 23:49.46 | Bhavic | Wyzard: It didn't seem to be. |
| 23:49.52 | Bhavic | It said it couldn't get the DHCP |
| 23:49.54 | Bhavic | For some said. |
| 23:49.55 | Wyzard | Bhavic: Some wireless cards are tricky because they need firmware files that Debian can't distribute |
| 23:49.55 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you are aware that pdnsd is a decent dnscache/recursor by itself and can serve other clients too, right? |
| 23:49.56 | Bhavic | reason* |
| 23:50.07 | macrobat | i have a pkg "linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64" and i cant find it on http://packages.debian.org Is there anything wrong with it? |
| 23:50.08 | Bhavic | oh it's only normal ethernet |
| 23:50.23 | Bhavic | But it doesn't seem to want to get the IP from the DHCP /my router |
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| 23:50.32 | macrobat | EduardeCalibal: http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | Bhavic: lspci -nn | grep Net .. what is the line for that device ? |
| 23:50.48 | EduardeCalibal | Let me explain... I have 2GB RAM more 4GB of SWAP and now I have 100MB free in RAM. If I try open GIMP I need not less than 60 seconds to open and more if I try open another file in OpenOffice. |
| 23:50.53 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Yes, the advantage of using dnsmasq is that I can assign static IPs and names to machines on my LAN by putting entries in /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts |
| 23:50.54 | Arrowmaster | saulgoode: im using an alternative firmware for my wrt54 router that uses dnsmasq and it does exactly what you want so dnsmasq alone will work |
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| 23:51.11 | jelly-home | macrobat: it might have been superseded by newer kernels. /msg judd kernels |
| 23:51.24 | qwebirc49406 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.31 | Bhavic | abrotman: nVidia ethernet controller |
| 23:51.34 | saulgoode | Arrowmaster: ah ok, thx I'll have a look at it |
| 23:51.35 | Bhavic | With some other info |
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| 23:51.40 | Wyzard | saulgoode: I used to use an alternate firmware on my WRT54GL too, like Arrowmaster, and it used dnsmasq -- that's where I learned about the package, in fact |
| 23:51.51 | EduardeCalibal | qwebirc49406, calm down. Dont spam... |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | Bhavic: what we really need is the 1234:ab14 from the end of the line |
| 23:52.04 | Wyzard | saulgoode: and in my setup it's dnsmasq that provides local names for machines on the LAN, not pdnsd |
| 23:52.08 | Bhavic | Ah 1 sec |
| 23:52.12 | Psi-Jack | EduardeCalibal: You're late. He was already /kill'd. ;) |
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| 23:52.20 | jelly-home | Wyzard: eugh. pdnsd + a dhcp server can do that. :-) |
| 23:52.31 | saulgoode | Wyzard: ok, then dnsmasq seems the way to go |
| 23:52.35 | Bhavic | abrotman: 10de:00df |
| 23:52.45 | Psi-Jack | Bleh, I hate dnsmasq. |
| 23:52.47 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10de:00df |
| 23:52.49 | judd | [10de:00df] is 'CK8S Ethernet Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'forcedeth', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:00df http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 23:52.52 | Wyzard | jelly-home: dnsmasq *is* a DHCP server |
| 23:52.53 | dirkson | Hey all. Running 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet -d /var/www/nginx-default/orangehattech.com/htdocs/richard/ --chuid 2053 --exec /usr/bin/hg serve' manually works. Running it as part of a start script does not. The same thing happens if I replace the line with more-or-less equivalent cd and sudo lines. No errors are produced in either case. What would be going on here? |
| 23:52.59 | abrotman | cute ... |
| 23:53.01 | Wyzard | jelly-home: with integrated DNS, which is convenient |
| 23:53.13 | jelly-home | ! |
| 23:53.20 | abrotman | Bhavic: it says it should just work .. though it is a forcedeth device .. sometimes known to be flaky |
| 23:53.21 | rfranknj | jelly-home: well, i see an entry with a FD of 4, the name is 'socket' type is unix.. not sure what to do with this information |
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| 23:53.33 | Psi-Jack | dnsmasq's DNS doesn't even do caching, which makes it even less useful. |
| 23:53.40 | Psi-Jack | It's just a forwarder. nothing extravagant. |
| 23:53.41 | rfranknj | jelly-home: is that the x socket? |
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| 23:53.51 | jelly-home | rfranknj: nothing really, but it could have nbeen some sort of a lock file |
| 23:54.05 | Bhavic | hm abrotman: Is there anything else i can do? |
| 23:54.21 | abrotman | Bhavic: read through 'dmesg' .. see if it is setting up your device |
| 23:54.22 | Psi-Jack | Well, it caches /some/ anyway. Just not much. |
| 23:54.31 | Bhavic | Ok thanks! |
| 23:54.50 | Arrowmaster | saulgoode: the only issue though is that you have to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and put the machines hostname in 'send host-name X' because debian doesnt patch dhclient to use the machines hostname like most other distros do (and all the distros seem to use a different patch) |
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| 23:55.19 | macrobat | i'm trying to understand kernel version numbers what is the meaning of the version in parenthesis after the pkg version in "sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)" |
| 23:55.27 | Wyzard | Arrowmaster: or you can put an entry in /etc/ethers so that dnsmasq can recognize the machine by its MAC address |
| 23:55.59 | Arrowmaster | well you have to hardcode the hostname to the mac address then right? |
| 23:56.21 | Wyzard | yes, which is generally fine |
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| 23:56.37 | themill | macrobat: they are the package versions |
| 23:56.37 | Wyzard | Unless your replace the machine's network card, the same MAC will always correspond to the same name anyway |
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| 23:56.58 | saulgoode | Arrowmaster: what does this "send host-name X" do? |
| 23:57.21 | Wyzard | saulgoode: It tells the DHCP client to include the client machine's hostname in the DHCP request |
| 23:57.37 | Arrowmaster | its one of the many dhcp options sent when a client requests a dhcp lease |
| 23:57.57 | Wyzard | saulgoode: When dnsmasq grants a lease on an IP, it knows the name because it was provided, and it knows the IP it just gave, so it can automatically create a DNS entry for that name to that IP |
| 23:58.02 | Arrowmaster | seriously never look at the list of all the dhcp options, there are so many that never get used |
| 23:58.11 | saulgoode | ah. i don't use dhcp currently. |
| 23:58.19 | saulgoode | thus i won't need this |
| 23:58.23 | Wyzard | Why not? |
| 23:58.41 | Arrowmaster | ok then yeah you can just hardcode the names and addresses into it |
| 23:58.53 | saulgoode | i only have two wired machines |
| 23:59.04 | EduardeCalibal | If I need use only 1GB of my precious RAM to the cache of files I dont have how config this? Now I have 75% (1.5GB) for file cache... -.- |
| 23:59.13 | saulgoode | and the WLAN ones have there own access point |
| 23:59.19 | Arrowmaster | i personally use dhcp but give static leases so the addresses never change |
| 23:59.22 | saulgoode | which has a DHCP |
| 23:59.23 | Wyzard | saulgoode: It's still easier to use DHCP than managing static IPs manually |
