| 00:00.15 | dutchfish | Amarande: you can config iceweasel to hand out any sig to the remote server ;) |
| 00:00.56 | Amarande | dutchfish, where? |
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| 00:01.19 | Amarande | (and does falsifying one's browser sig like that to do business count as a major computer offense in the US? ...) |
| 00:02.30 | macrobat | Amarande: install the addon "user agent tool" |
| 00:02.58 | rasca1001 | i'm trying to install a later version of vlc and I have lenny-backport repo's but this didn't do the trick |
| 00:03.36 | macrobat | it's not a debian pkg. you click on "addons in the iceweasel menu" |
| 00:04.21 | Amarande | ahh, apparently it's a trivial thing to do through about:config anyway |
| 00:04.26 | rudi_s | rasca1001: Try the multimedia repository; not sure if there is a new version though. |
| 00:04.30 | rudi_s | !multimedia |
| 00:04.30 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 00:05.59 | Amarande | ahh, here we go. :) |
| 00:06.02 | Amarande | yup, about:config was enough |
| 00:06.51 | oznt | hi guys, my build system is gone insane - i keep getting error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 00:07.15 | oznt | i looked around but i just can't solve it, i have build essential installed :-/ |
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| 00:07.54 | rasca1001 | rudi_s: alright thanks |
| 00:08.10 | rudi_s | np |
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| 00:08.23 | dutchfish | Amarande: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/User_Agent_Strings_Reference |
| 00:08.27 | Amarande | macrobat: does user agent tool have any neat functionality besides merely being an interface to the about.config key? :) |
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| 00:09.03 | phix | hey |
| 00:09.23 | macrobat | you can have a list of user agents and you can click on a list item |
| 00:09.23 | phix | what is the package name I put in to stop the package source not verified errors on apt-get ? |
| 00:11.44 | macrobat | what is the pkg name of the latest unstable kernel? |
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| 00:12.38 | macrobat | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 is not in unstable |
| 00:12.51 | adb | 2.6.32-2-* |
| 00:13.21 | macrobat | and i's pkg name? |
| 00:13.26 | dutchfish | macrobat: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 00:13.27 | macrobat | its |
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| 00:36.54 | dansushi | Recently i've had a certain odd issue on debian. After I've left it on for a long amount of time, maybe 12 hours, and i come back from classes or something, it's completely frozen except for the mouse. I move the mouse around and click on certain things, but nothing happens. about 50% of the time, it stays frozen forever, and i have to restart X, the other half of the time, it unfreezes after 5 minutes. Has anyone else had this problem? |
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| 00:37.53 | dansushi | It started on my desktop about 6 months ago, and just recently started on my laptop a week ago. I can't think of anything that would cause something like this to happen on both machines. |
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| 00:39.31 | Astounding | What would the best guide for getting my intel 5100 wifi working on debian? I dont want to follow a bad guide and screw something up, i was surprised to see it wasnt working out of the box |
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| 00:42.17 | hayleyw | Astounding, https://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 00:42.17 | macrobat | judd: versions linux-latest-2.6.32-8 |
| 00:42.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-latest-2.6.32-8' was found. |
| 00:42.23 | macrobat | :( |
| 00:42.44 | Astounding | hayleyw: ty |
| 00:42.46 | macrobat | i cant read that diagramhttp://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 00:43.36 | dutchfish | macrobat: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 00:44.23 | Astounding | hayleyw: Is it saying I need a new kernel? |
| 00:44.25 | Astounding | <---newbie |
| 00:45.13 | hayleyw | Astounding, yes. that's not unusual on stable. |
| 00:45.15 | protien | i am trying to use $message=`cat filename` to put the contents of a file with one line into a variable, but when i do so all i get is an error reading... =U2FsdGVkX1/zzfN2xGi8UK5kxsOxjJnVGyfym83Zhtc=: No such file or directory ... which is the contents of the file.. could anyone please help me copy the contents of a single line file to a variable? |
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| 00:49.15 | format_c | protien, try message=`cat filename` |
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| 00:49.38 | protien | yes i just realized what i did wrong ACK, thanks mate |
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| 00:54.04 | Tramp | msg=$(<file) (in bash) |
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| 00:56.44 | Astounding | Lol |
| 00:56.51 | Astounding | ive already failed in this guide at step 12 |
| 00:56.54 | Astounding | step 2 |
| 00:56.59 | Astounding | but I think its because of a typo in the guide |
| 00:57.18 | Astounding | it says to add the backports source as "deb http://www.backports.org etc etc |
| 00:57.29 | Astounding | I think it should said deb-src like the other sources in this file? |
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| 00:59.23 | jeeves_Moss | how can I move all of the contents (and maintain the directory structure) of /mnt/external/Sorted/ to /mnt/MP3/Sorted/ ?? |
| 00:59.54 | hayleyw | Astounding, step 2 for lenny or squeeze? |
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| 01:01.05 | Astounding | for lenny |
| 01:01.09 | hayleyw | Astounding, no, that should be deb http, as it says |
| 01:01.15 | Astounding | well it retuns an erro |
| 01:01.24 | Astounding | when i do aptitude update |
| 01:01.33 | Astounding | could not resolve www.backports.org |
| 01:01.48 | Astounding | oh wait |
| 01:01.53 | Astounding | im stupid |
| 01:01.58 | Astounding | my ethernet isnt even plugged in..aha |
| 01:01.59 | Astounding | sorry. |
| 01:02.07 | jeeves_Moss | Astounding, lol, I've got techs like that @ work! |
| 01:02.31 | Astounding | lol |
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| 01:03.11 | Astounding | only one ethernet cable, bbl |
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| 01:03.40 | Tramp | jeeves_Moss: http://snipplr.com/view/26670/recursively-copy-a-directory-using-cp-tar-or-rsync/ - I think that's what you want to do |
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| 01:12.20 | nsadmin | ok, trying to do the dist-upgrade failed due to disk space during download... so, is it possible to do the following.... given a list of package names, produce two lists output, one package names whose packages are uptodate, two, package names whose package names are going to be upgraded |
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| 01:16.07 | nsadmin | you have tecks who like to work on @?? |
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| 01:19.22 | judge-- | what package should I install with apt-get in order to have gmake? |
| 01:19.35 | nsadmin | gmAke is mAke |
| 01:19.52 | nsadmin | you would install make |
| 01:20.01 | Tramp | nsadmin: well, "aptitude search '~U'" give you the upgradeable packages - though in "aptitude output format" |
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| 01:20.16 | nsadmin | but you need all the compiler shit too |
| 01:20.23 | nsadmin | or do you have that instazlled |
| 01:20.51 | nsadmin | "aptitude output format" parsable? |
| 01:21.25 | judge-- | nsadmin I did, but when I use "gmake" it doesn't work |
| 01:21.41 | judge-- | Setting up make (3.81-5) ... |
| 01:21.41 | judge-- | stradioti:~# gmake |
| 01:21.41 | judge-- | -bash: gmake: command not found |
| 01:21.45 | nsadmin | then use "make" |
| 01:21.54 | nsadmin | you want gnu make, do you not? |
| 01:22.01 | judge-- | the newer versions do the same? |
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| 01:22.04 | judge-- | yes |
| 01:22.11 | nsadmin | that would be make |
| 01:22.17 | judge-- | thank you |
| 01:22.20 | Astounding2 | haleyw:: Thank you, by some miracle it actually worked and im on wifi now!!! |
| 01:22.26 | nsadmin | you're welcome... |
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| 01:22.36 | Astounding2 | Had to give up on wifi on my old laptop after a month and a half of trying to get wifi working |
| 01:22.48 | Astounding2 | I guess the intel 5100 chipset is well supported |
| 01:22.58 | nsadmin | is on like stereo wifi... /me looks like My Favorite Martian! |
| 01:23.30 | Astounding2 | I guess I've already discovered my next problem, my FN+Brightness adjustment isnt working =\ |
| 01:23.33 | Astounding2 | ThinkPad x200 |
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| 01:23.56 | liable | thats usually a bios thing on TP's (used to be) |
| 01:24.02 | nsadmin | Astounding2 you running X? |
| 01:24.41 | Astounding2 | yes |
| 01:24.44 | Astounding2 | KDE |
| 01:24.57 | rasca1001 | I'm still trying to install vlc. I'm using sid repo but I'm getting this No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
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| 01:25.13 | nsadmin | NO promises here, and there's work involved... but... try running xev |
| 01:25.54 | Astounding2 | WHy does it not just work? I thought its independent of the operating system |
| 01:26.06 | Astounding2 | I guess i thought wrong |
| 01:26.16 | liable | Astounding2: it certainly used to be |
| 01:26.19 | nsadmin | then you can look at the "raw" key output, try fn+bright while in xev, |
| 01:26.27 | nsadmin | then try bright without fn |
| 01:26.32 | nsadmin | see if the code is different |
| 01:27.10 | Astounding2 | TBH, I don't even know what xev is, I opened it looks like a window with a black square inside |
| 01:27.18 | nsadmin | if it is, then maybe the OS can tell when you hit fn+bright |
| 01:27.29 | nsadmin | if it can tell, then it can run a script |
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| 01:27.41 | Sier | Hello :) |
| 01:27.46 | nsadmin | play with it |
| 01:27.48 | Astounding2 | I do see "IBM thinkpad laptop" in the KDE control center, it says I need load nvram modules and stuff |
| 01:27.59 | Astounding2 | Not sure if doing that would get the FN buttons working |
| 01:28.16 | phorce1 | 0 upgraded, 1092 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 01:28.17 | phorce1 | need to get 1765MB/1765MBof archives |
| 01:28.19 | phorce1 | ouch |
| 01:28.21 | nsadmin | xev is for seeing x events (mouse, kbd, other) |
| 01:28.45 | Astounding2 | I'ts not showing anything other than this black box |
| 01:28.48 | Astounding2 | unless I'm doing it wrong |
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| 01:29.05 | nsadmin | see what happens when you press regular keys |
| 01:29.09 | Sier | I'm in the process of installing Debian Squeeze on a IA64 system. I got to the point where I have to choose a kernel, there are 4 options available (linux-image-2.6-itanium, linux-image-2.6-mckinley, linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-itanium and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-mckinley). What's the difference ? Which one should I choose? |
| 01:29.11 | Astounding2 | not a thing |
| 01:29.26 | nsadmin | is the window "in front"? |
| 01:29.34 | Astounding2 | yes |
| 01:29.51 | nsadmin | hmm... interesting |
| 01:29.55 | nsadmin | tries |
| 01:30.29 | nsadmin | oh ok, got it |
| 01:30.38 | nsadmin | so fire up a terminal |
| 01:30.42 | nsadmin | start up xev |
| 01:30.46 | nsadmin | from the terminal |
| 01:30.57 | nsadmin | move the mouse into its window |
| 01:31.00 | nsadmin | hit keys |
| 01:31.03 | Astounding2 | working now |
| 01:31.05 | nsadmin | watch the terminal |
| 01:31.19 | Astounding2 | well |
| 01:31.26 | Astounding2 | events occur when i press the FN key |
| 01:31.28 | karme | Sier: you are sure you mean IA64? |
| 01:31.57 | nsadmin | Sier: you have an itanium? |
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| 01:33.13 | Sier | Sorry, I was disconnected, not sure if anybody saw my question: |
| 01:33.18 | Sier | I'm in the process of installing Debian Squeeze on a IA64 system. I got to the point where I have to choose a kernel, there are 4 options available (linux-image-2.6-itanium, linux-image-2.6-mckinley, linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-itanium and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-mckinley). What's the difference ? Which one should I choose? |
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| 01:33.34 | karme | Sier: you are sure you mean IA64? |
| 01:33.44 | nsadmin | Sier: you have an itanium? |
| 01:34.01 | Sier | Yes, I have an Itanium-2 |
| 01:34.15 | Sier | 2 cpus.. 1.4Ghz |
| 01:34.18 | nsadmin | wow, you really do mean ia64 |
| 01:34.23 | zinx | Sier: any of them. linux-image-2.6-itanium will be the most recent linux 2.6 kernel |
| 01:34.42 | p3rror | hi |
| 01:34.44 | nsadmin | this is actually the first time I've seen anyone have that instead of amd64 |
| 01:34.51 | zinx | nsadmin: they're pretty rare |
| 01:35.05 | karme | lol |
| 01:35.06 | Sier | what about mckinley? what is it for? |
| 01:35.08 | xyan | Sier: mckinley is for the older 900mhz/1ghz models |
| 01:35.15 | Sier | oh you beat me.. thanks |
| 01:35.22 | p3rror | i use this ip6tables script http://www.chaz6.com/files/ipv6-firewall-current.txt on my router |
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| 01:35.30 | p3rror | but it permits all packet |
| 01:35.41 | p3rror | can you help to find the glue |
| 01:37.01 | nsadmin | packet permitting pocket protection plus pending pounding poppies phorking processes. |
| 01:42.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.13 | Astounding2 | I need brightness control even with this 9 cell battery |
| 01:42.20 | Astounding2 | If i want to see anywhere near my rated 9.5 hours |
| 01:42.30 | Astounding2 | Not sure how long it will last running at max brightness all the time |
| 01:42.38 | nsadmin | I'd say that's the reason it's letting packets fly |
| 01:42.45 | Astounding2 | Is there even a way to change it without the function keys? |
| 01:44.25 | Astounding2 | I could have sworn it was working on a live cd i recently tried |
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| 01:47.27 | p3rror | nsadmin, yes that is |
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| 01:48.20 | xyan | Astounding2: do you have thinkpad-acpi or ibm-acpi modules loaded? |
| 01:48.29 | nsadmin | p3rror what you have to understand about chains... |
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| 01:49.03 | xyan | Astounding2: the fn stuff to configure your display are actually events handled by hal/acpid so one of these should be running as well |
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| 01:49.28 | nsadmin | the rules are organized into chains... and the firewall will try to match the packet against each rule in the chain |
| 01:49.54 | nsadmin | the first matching rule wins, and the action is taken |
| 01:50.00 | karme | Astounding2: there is also xbacklight |
| 01:50.02 | xyan | Astounding2: and take a look at the apb package |
| 01:50.22 | p3rror | nsadmin, this is the reverse of ipfw |
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| 01:50.34 | Astounding2 | I can install xbacklight using apt-get? |
| 01:50.44 | Astounding2 | How do I browse things I can install via apt-get |
| 01:50.49 | Myth` | I removed a program with apt-get autoremove but the bash command (trigger I guess) still attempts to run the bin |
| 01:50.53 | Myth` | How can I fix that? |
| 01:50.55 | Astounding2 | <--- first day on debian, first time on linux in 3 years |
| 01:51.08 | Myth` | Astounding2 Join the club haha |
| 01:51.36 | nsadmin | p3rror so if you only have one rule that says "if it's tcp, let it pass" that;s the first rule it tries |
| 01:51.39 | xyan | Astounding2: sorry, tpb package i meant |
| 01:52.17 | xyan | Astounding2: apt-cache search <keyword> to search for packages, apt-cache show <pkg> to list details |
| 01:52.18 | nsadmin | and a tcp packet will match that rule and the action (-j accept) will be taken |
| 01:53.12 | nsadmin | in that sense, a chain works similarly to a procmailrc file |
| 01:53.20 | Astounding2 | tpb looks like it might be what i need |
| 01:53.34 | Astounding2 | at least partially |
| 01:53.35 | xyan | Astounding2: and yeah http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki great resource |
| 01:53.36 | judge-- | anyone know how to install pgtclsh on Debien? http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/d2fffceb4b |
| 01:53.50 | judge-- | the last time I installed on Red Hat it was all fine, no errors |
| 01:53.57 | judge-- | Debian* |
| 01:54.15 | xyan | judge--: wgats pgtclsh? |
| 01:54.20 | xyan | whats* |
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| 01:54.41 | nsadmin | judge-- the way I'd proceed is first, install the tcl you want, and its dev libs |
| 01:55.03 | nsadmin | then find the module that interfaces to pg |
| 01:55.34 | nsadmin | see if it's in debian for the tcl you installed... if so, you're golden |
| 01:55.37 | judge-- | xyan a TCL interface with Postgresql |
| 01:55.41 | judge-- | but it's very old |
| 01:56.03 | judge-- | but I don't have choise, that's what the code I have in production uses |
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| 01:57.30 | Astounding2 | xyan: very nice site ty |
| 01:57.55 | jpapertowel | GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: no such device: 6cbff477-5e3f-4811-b3f4-bcee5a709240. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue> |
| 01:58.25 | jpapertowel | so I tried again with ext3, and it would seem grub just does not work with raid |
| 01:59.06 | judge-- | how can I check if my processor is x86 or x64? |
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| 02:03.28 | xyan | jpapertowel: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid <- says grub2 not supported, has a howto for legacy grub |
| 02:04.08 | rvsjoen | ok, i'm trying to install the fglrx-driver package on sid, but end up in a heap of shit and nothing at all is installed, http://dpaste.com/162369/ |
| 02:04.29 | jpapertowel | doesn't have a howto for legacy grub for me |
| 02:04.37 | rvsjoen | how can I force aptitude to install that package regardless |
| 02:05.05 | xyan | jpapertowel: well it describes what is needed to be done manually |
| 02:05.27 | jpapertowel | xyan: but i have no idea how to get into that menu |
| 02:06.31 | xyan | jpapertowel: you can alt-f[234] for a console in the installer |
| 02:06.42 | jpapertowel | how do I download grub legacy? |
| 02:06.43 | Astounding2 | Ok so I install kmilo but its not installed? |
| 02:06.46 | Astounding2 | sigh...linux |
| 02:06.55 | Astounding2 | All i want are my brightness keys |
| 02:07.02 | Astounding2 | laptop is useless without them, how can it not work!? |
| 02:07.12 | Astounding2 | Who would use a laptop with linux, if you cant even adjust the brightness |
| 02:07.30 | xyan | "Ok so I install kmilo but its not installed?" ? |
| 02:07.42 | Astounding2 | Well it says its already installed |
| 02:07.46 | Astounding2 | but i cant run or find it |
| 02:07.52 | Astounding2 | I guess i don't understand something |
| 02:08.02 | xyan | dpkg -L kmilo |
| 02:08.02 | dpkg | ii kmilo 2.2-14.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:08.12 | jpapertowel | xyan: /bin/sh: grub: not found |
| 02:08.12 | Astounding2 | and I'm not even sure if im going to have to install some craxy acpi stuff in addition |
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| 02:08.22 | rvsjoen | I can only assume the dependency shit is broken |
| 02:08.53 | xyan | jpapertowel: if you ls do you see a dir named target ? |
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| 02:09.10 | Astounding2 | xyan: Lists a bunch of /usr dirs |
| 02:09.19 | jpapertowel | xyan: naw |
| 02:09.35 | Rapsodius | I have trouble recovering a damaged IDE hard disk |
| 02:09.41 | jpapertowel | xyan: i started business card amd64 image in rescue mode |
| 02:09.55 | xyan | Astounding2: there should be something /bin/ or /usr/bin/ like which you can run |
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| 02:10.58 | Rapsodius | tried with testdisk and ddrescue, but at some point the system stops responding |
| 02:11.00 | xyan | jpapertowel: so you can mount your root filesystem to /mnt and chroot into it to access this |
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| 02:11.21 | rvsjoen | umm... xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-5 <-- does that make _any_ sense at all ? |
| 02:11.37 | Astounding2 | i see... /usr/share///applications/kde |
| 02:11.42 | Astounding2 | I dont see anything in /bin |
| 02:11.51 | jpapertowel | xyan: how i mount root filesystem and chroot into what to access where |
| 02:11.52 | wols | rvsjoen: fglrx and current xorg don't really like each other |
| 02:11.55 | Astounding2 | Do you know if just kmilo will be enough to get the brightness fn keys working? |
| 02:12.03 | rvsjoen | wols: crap |
| 02:12.05 | xyan | Astounding2: nope |
| 02:12.05 | Astounding2 | Or will I need to install some sort of ACPI or something like i saw in the wiki |
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| 02:12.31 | rvsjoen | wols: and I guess there's no easy way to jump back to testing :P |
| 02:12.47 | xyan | Astounding2: you need either acpid or hal and a kernel module like thinkpad-acpi or ibm-acpi⦠and maybe a config file for acpid or whatever |
| 02:12.57 | xyan | Astounding2: read the wiki carefully |
| 02:13.00 | wols | rvsjoen: no. and I don't think it'll help anyways |
| 02:13.51 | Astounding2 | xyan: Overwhelemd trying to understand it |
| 02:14.12 | rvsjoen | wols: surely i'm not the only person wanting to use the fglrx driver ? what is there to do, simply wait for xorg and fglrx to settle their differences ? |
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| 02:14.21 | Rapsodius | anyone? |
| 02:14.25 | jpapertowel | xyan: okay mounted /dev/mapper/isw_ebcjcihiae_WDRAID3 to /mnt, now what? |
| 02:14.59 | xyan | jpapertowel: for i in dev proc sys ;do mount -o rbind $i /mnt/$i ;done |
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| 02:15.07 | wols | rvsjoen: or use an old Xorg version afaik |
| 02:15.10 | xyan | jpapertowel: chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
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| 02:15.20 | rvsjoen | wols: can I easily do that in sid ? |
| 02:15.30 | MarGarina | What's the difference between linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64? |
| 02:15.37 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:15.46 | wols | you can do anything you want, no one said it was easy however |
| 02:16.51 | Rapsodius | I have trouble recovering a damaged IDE hard disk |
| 02:16.52 | xyan | jpapertowel: if you should have a separate /boot partition mount it to /mnt/boot of course |
| 02:17.05 | jpapertowel | xyan: cool, i'm in bash now, root@erica:/# - and boot is on the same partition |
| 02:17.11 | Rapsodius | tried with testdisk and ddrescue, but at some point the system stopsrn responding |
| 02:17.23 | xyan | jpapertowel: ok so now follow the grub magic from the debian wiki |
| 02:17.47 | xyan | jpapertowel: oh of course remove grub-pc and install grub! |
| 02:17.58 | jpapertowel | xyan: err, how exactly do I run the grub installer? |
| 02:18.18 | Rapsodius | jpapertowel: sudo grub? |
| 02:18.29 | xyan | jpapertowel: already root so scrap it |
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| 02:18.40 | Amarande | wols: "don't really like each other" is putting "hard freezes on an unacceptably regular basis" lightly |
| 02:18.41 | Rapsodius | then install (hda,b) |
| 02:18.46 | xyan | jpapertowel: aptitude purge grub-pc && aptitude install grub! |
| 02:18.56 | Amarande | is still pondering getting a 9800GT so I can stop using ATI |
| 02:18.58 | xyan | jpapertowel: as the wiki says its only working with the legacy grub |
| 02:19.17 | Astounding2 | xyan: Do you have your brightness fn keys working? |
| 02:19.18 | xyan | jpapertowel: and it also clearly says "grub --device-map=/dev/null |
| 02:19.24 | Amarande | hmm, if you plug in a new video card to a debian box, do you have to do any manual reconfiggling or does X recognize it automagically? |
| 02:19.34 | Amarande | (assuming you're still using out of the box X configs) |
| 02:19.36 | rvsjoen | wols: i'll look into it, thanks, I also found a bug report for my problem #564444, thanks |
| 02:19.48 | jpapertowel | I get spammed with hundreds of error messages when removing grub-pc |
| 02:19.52 | Rapsodius | if it uses the same driver then no need to reconfigure |
| 02:19.59 | Amarande | Rapsodius: ATI to nVidia |
| 02:20.00 | xyan | jpapertowel: i dont have a thinkpad anymore, but yes they worked |
| 02:20.07 | xyan | Astounding2: ^^ |
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| 02:20.20 | xyan | jpapertowel: pastebin |
| 02:20.39 | Rapsodius | Amarande: open a terminal and post the contents of cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf into a pastebin |
| 02:20.41 | rvsjoen | the consensus, at least since jan 24th is to wait until AMD makes that fix |
| 02:21.19 | Amarande | well I haven't bought the new card *yet* |
| 02:21.26 | Rapsodius | ah ok |
| 02:21.40 | Amarande | just wondering if it's going to be plug-and-play or if I'm going to be tweaking a bunch of stuff |
| 02:21.47 | Amarande | (not counting installing the nvidia binary driver afterwards) |
| 02:21.55 | Rapsodius | you'll have to change the 'driver' line into Driver "nv" |
| 02:22.12 | jpapertowel | xyan: aptitude install grub installs grub-pc, is it supposed to? |
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| 02:22.31 | Rapsodius | however if you have an out of the box xorg.conf, it possibly doesn't even has a Driver line |
| 02:22.36 | xyan | jpapertowel: grub-legacy then |
| 02:22.56 | Rapsodius | mine didn't |
| 02:23.22 | Rapsodius | but nothing really serious |
| 02:23.57 | jpapertowel | xyan: running the grub command outputs Error opening terminal: bterm. |
| 02:24.34 | xyan | jpapertowel: export TERM=vt100 |
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| 02:25.42 | judge-- | How can I know what package I should install to have g++? |
| 02:25.56 | _ivanko3 | install build-essential |
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| 02:26.02 | judge-- | thank yous |
| 02:26.05 | judge-- | you* |
| 02:26.17 | nsadmin | try build-essential which gives you a buncha stuff |
| 02:26.21 | _ivanko3 | ok =) |
| 02:26.43 | nsadmin | g++ should be the specific package |
| 02:27.09 | _ivanko3 | and does somebody know something about broken dependencies of nvidia-glx in squeeze? |
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| 02:27.26 | Rapsodius | Ok, someone here knows how to handle a damaged hard disk? |
| 02:27.57 | nsadmin | knowbody somes knowthing! |
| 02:28.03 | MarGarina | Rapsodius, ddrescue? |
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| 02:28.27 | _ivanko3 | ok, didn't notice that =) |
| 02:28.34 | Rapsodius | I already asked 2 times but nothing |
| 02:28.41 | Rapsodius | thats why I ask |
| 02:28.45 | _ivanko3 | in Rapsodius: in what way was it damaged? |
| 02:29.25 | jpapertowel | xyan: what is grub> device (hd0,<1>) /dev/mapper/<isw_dhiiedgihc_Volume02> referring to? the ext3 partition with /boot in it? |
| 02:29.44 | Rapsodius | I dont know really but trying with ddrescue and testdisk causes debian to stop functioning after a time |
| 02:30.01 | xyan | jpapertowel: damn theres a note saying replace <blabla> according your situation |
| 02:30.18 | _ivanko3 | Rapsodius: I read an article about that, let me find it... |
| 02:30.24 | xyan | jpapertowel: (hd0,0) <- is grubs naming scheme 1st disk 1st primary partition |
| 02:30.27 | simonrvn | _ivanko3: nvdiai crap being borked in squeeze is nothing new. it'll get sorted eventually. |
| 02:30.35 | simonrvn | nvidia* |
| 02:31.07 | jpapertowel | xyan: well I did device (hd0,2) /dev/mapper/isw_ebcjcihiae_WDRAID3 and it said file not found |
| 02:31.10 | Rapsodius | _ivanko3: ok, just hope it helps, some info: |
| 02:31.16 | Rapsodius | Linux ariel-desktop 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:31.20 | Rapsodius | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 02:31.35 | xyan | jpapertowel: then the numbering might be wrong? do you see that in /dev/mapper/ ? |
| 02:31.52 | Rapsodius | using squeeze too |
| 02:32.20 | jpapertowel | ls: /dev/mapper: No such file or directory |
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| 02:32.46 | xyan | jpapertowel: forgot to modprobe |
| 02:32.53 | ThinkPadX200 | is tearing his hair out |
| 02:33.01 | xyan | jpapertowel: i guess you have to dmraid -ay or something to make the raid visible as well |
| 02:33.38 | jpapertowel | xyan: what's the modprobe command i should be using |
| 02:33.40 | Rapsodius | _ivanko3: not even Alt+SysRQ REISUB works when stops working, like the kernel malfunctioning or something, even should I disconnect the disk, nothing |
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| 02:33.58 | xyan | jpapertowel: modprobe dm-mod, dont know the module names though |
| 02:34.19 | _ivanko3 | Rapsodius: I think you can try to do it with a LiveCD. Chroot if nessesary |
| 02:34.24 | xyan | jpapertowel: try modinfo dm-mod, dm-raid to see if modules like this exist and modprobe them until you see /dev/mapper |
| 02:34.35 | _ivanko3 | _ivanko3: Once I had to do this |
| 02:34.54 | Rapsodius | chroot where? |
| 02:35.03 | jpapertowel | could not open /lib/modules/....../modules.dep |
| 02:35.22 | Rapsodius | I have a DSL cd, if that helps |
| 02:36.02 | xyan | jpapertowel: eww yay you dont even have a kernel in place⦠i dont know how to load modules within the d-i so maybe someone else knows |
| 02:36.15 | _ivanko3 | Well, this should help, but I don't remember if there is a ddrescue, but it should be installable |
| 02:37.08 | jpapertowel | xyan: no, i do, for some reason modprobe is looking for 2.6.30-2-amd64 instead of 2.6.32-2-amd64 |
| 02:37.11 | Arrowmaster | you have to load a .udeb with dpkg before you can get the modules for dmraid in d-i |
| 02:37.29 | xyan | jpapertowel: yeah its using the kernel thats running |
| 02:38.28 | Rapsodius | _ivanko3: why chrooting then? should be a matter of ddrescue'ing the whole disk into an image |
| 02:38.42 | xyan | jpapertowel: try find /lib/modules/ -name "dm*.ko" |
| 02:38.56 | xyan | jpapertowel: i dont know if it works if you use modprobe with an absolute path |
| 02:39.20 | Arrowmaster | jpapertowel: very bottom of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid says how to do it |
| 02:39.28 | _ivanko3 | Rapsodius: yes, but if the DSL doesn't have a ddrescue, you may use the one that is on hard disk (with chroot) |
| 02:39.53 | Rapsodius | But hope it doesn't crash then |
| 02:40.03 | Rapsodius | DSL based on debian |
| 02:40.12 | xyan | Arrowmaster: we chrooted into the install the installed kernel != the d-i kernel so modprobe complains about missing /lib/modules/<d-i_kver/... |
| 02:40.29 | Rapsodius | and the thing crashed on one of the most stable distros around... |
| 02:41.03 | Arrowmaster | xyan, jpapertowel: so switch to another vt and do it |
| 02:41.22 | xyan | Arrowmaster: right doh! ;/ |
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| 02:41.43 | jpapertowel | will grub legacy boot ext4? i'm considering just reinstalling right now and finishing with do not install boot loader so that i'm not getting spammed with aptitude errors |
| 02:41.48 | Rapsodius | ok I will restart now |
| 02:41.51 | Arrowmaster | vt1 is the installer and vt4 is debug info so that leaves vt2 and vt3 free to be used at the same time |
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| 02:42.07 | xyan | jpapertowel: dont do that! |
| 02:42.18 | xyan | jpapertowel: change to another terminal and modprobe dm-mod from there |
| 02:42.26 | xyan | jpapertowel: and run dmraid -ay |
| 02:42.34 | Arrowmaster | jpapertowel: no but as long as /boot is on a separate partition and isnt ext4 it doesnt matter |
| 02:43.29 | phorce1 | Installing on a new system. I see a bunch of 'snd' stuff in lsmod but don't see a /dev/dsp --- where should a sound file be directed for testing? (Intel audio on this MB) |
| 02:43.31 | Arrowmaster | the only thing that matters is if grub can read the filesystem on /boot, after that it has access to whatever the initramfs has |
| 02:44.28 | jpapertowel | how big should the ext3 boot partition be |
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| 02:44.54 | xyan | jpapertowel: what do you think will happen when you reinstall w/o boot loader? booting into the rescue mode again and doing exactly what we try now? isnt that waste of time? |
| 02:45.04 | Arrowmaster | 250mb is large enough you wont have to worry about it |
| 02:45.19 | Arrowmaster | only 35mb is being used on my /boot |
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| 02:45.58 | jpapertowel | xyan: i suppose but aptitude wouldn't let me uninstall grub2 so i figure i'll do it again without it being installed |
| 02:46.21 | Arrowmaster | aptitude from the installer wont let you uninstall anything |
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| 02:46.42 | jpapertowel | Arrowmaster: oh, that explains some stuff |
| 02:46.48 | xyan | jpapertowel: you chrooted into the install you can uninstall grub2 and install grub-legacy from there |
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| 02:47.40 | Holborn | phorce1: /dev/dsp is a OSS device ... ALSA use /dev/snd/pcmCXDYp where X is the card number and Y the device number .. |
| 02:47.40 | jpapertowel | when i ran aptitude from the chrooted install, aptitude died with a million errors |
| 02:47.45 | jpapertowel | should /boot partition have bootable flag? |
| 02:47.57 | xyan | jpapertowel: you didnt even try to tell the errors, what if you just aptitude install grub-legacy? |
| 02:48.19 | jpapertowel | xyan: dunno how to pastebin them when there's no copy/paste or web browser |
| 02:48.37 | xyan | !pastebinit |
| 02:48.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 02:48.42 | Arrowmaster | ncurses aptitude interface causes lots of errors in d-i but it worked when i tried it |
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| 02:49.11 | Arrowmaster | xyan: ok thats cool |
| 02:49.13 | phorce1 | Holborn: Tried to cat a file through /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and just got a "Write error: File descriptor in bad state" |
| 02:49.29 | Arrowmaster | phorce1: use aplay |
| 02:49.43 | _ivanko3 | simonrvn: And how long does it usually take to sort the things out with nvidia-glx? |
| 02:49.55 | jpapertowel | darn, I can't create a separate /boot partition I reached the 4 partition maximum :( |
| 02:50.53 | johnek | ----> hi, why i cant delete user, this user dont have any process (killall -u user), and when i use: deluser user, show me eroor: This user in logon... |
| 02:51.02 | phorce1 | Arrowmaster: thx -- no error, but no output either (yes, speakers plugged in and turned up) --- lemme go check to see if alsa has me muted |
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| 02:52.45 | phorce1 | Arrowmaster: yep, muted. thx |
| 02:52.45 | EagleWatch | hi all! |
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| 02:53.03 | EagleWatch | I want to put a blog on my server .. what you recomand! |
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| 02:53.26 | simonrvn | _ivanko3: probably faster than usual because of the (partial?) freeze |
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| 02:54.18 | rudi_s | EagleWatch: Depends on what you want. I prefer static HTML pages generated with asciidoc (but it's static of course, no comment forms, etc.). Otherwise wordpress is the most used blog AFAIK. |
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| 02:54.53 | phorce1 | 15 minutes of downloads left. Then I get to watch apt scream as it installs 1000+ packages |
| 02:55.04 | EagleWatch | rudi_s, I don't want to use WP... |
| 02:55.15 | rudi_s | EagleWatch: Why not? |
| 02:55.25 | _ivanko3 | simonrvn: Well, meanwhile I can use the nv driver. And the last time how much time did it take? Sorry for my persistency, that's the last question =) |
| 02:56.00 | EagleWatch | rudi_s, just like that..... I prefer to write my own if I don't find anythign else |
| 02:56.12 | simonrvn | i don't know, i don't use it anymore. few days probably |
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| 02:56.40 | rudi_s | EagleWatch: ? Well then .. |
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| 02:57.02 | EagleWatch | rudi_s, I just have to start coding? |
| 02:57.42 | rudi_s | EagleWatch: I'm sure there are many blog engines out there, but I don't know any next to wordpress, and a zsh script (which is static as my asciidoc solution). |
| 02:57.58 | _ivanko3 | simonrvn: OK, thanks a lot! |
| 02:58.15 | EagleWatch | rudi_s, thanks... nice chating :) |
| 02:58.25 | rudi_s | np ;-) |
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| 02:59.06 | fireun | is there an aptitude command to find a list of whats been update recently? |
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| 02:59.31 | fireun | something *broke* my initrd being able to load firmware and I'm damned if I know what |
| 02:59.39 | rudi_s | fireun: Check the logs in /var/log |
| 03:00.19 | fireun | there's nothing helpful in /var/log/apt/ |
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| 03:01.37 | rudi_s | fireun: /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg |
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| 03:08.25 | jpapertowel | xyan: i finally got the device (hd0,2) blah blah commands to work, but then I get to root (hd0,2) and it says: Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS |
| 03:08.48 | xyan | jpapertowel: is this still grub2 ? |
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| 03:08.55 | jpapertowel | grub-legacy |
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| 03:10.19 | jpapertowel | actually, i think i was counting backwards oops, i'll try (hd0,4) |
| 03:10.27 | xyan | jpapertowel: hrm did you set the boot order to hdd being first as the wiki said? |
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| 03:11.00 | xyan | jpapertowel: 0,0 is disk, 1st partition so the third one should be 0,2 |
| 03:12.33 | fireun | hmm, libpci3/procps/e2fs* all got updated right about when I installed the newer kernel, and now even with the older kernel I cant get my gpu firmware to load on boot |
| 03:13.19 | fireun | hmm, firmware-linux-free&nonfree also got updated. I would expect more people to be having problems than just me if it was somehow ©orrupt |
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| 03:13.23 | fireun | (debian sid here) |
| 03:13.28 | jpapertowel | xyan: so, i'm out of luck? |
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| 03:17.13 | xyan | jpapertowel: please google the Eroror 18: thing there are tons of results, someone wrote its related to the bios boot order |
| 03:18.08 | jpapertowel | xyan: already did lol, it has nothing to do with bios boot order for me...the only thing i got connected thats bootable is my raid volume and my cd-rom drive, and my raid volume is first |
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| 03:19.36 | xyan | jpapertowel: whats the size of your root partition? |
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| 03:19.48 | jpapertowel | xyan: 540 GB |
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| 03:20.07 | xyan | jpapertowel: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-712146.html read what Pumalite writes |
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| 03:20.23 | jpapertowel | partition 1 is 100 MB, partition 2 is 960 MB |
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| 03:21.44 | jpapertowel | xyan: it's definitely not a bios problem, i'm using r3001 (the latest) bios on my p5w dh deluxe which is a fairly new 2006 mobo |
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| 03:22.12 | chuck | Is debian 6 stable? |
| 03:22.54 | adb | not yet |
| 03:22.58 | jpapertowel | xyan: i assume it's just that my boot partition is over 900 GB into the drive :( guess I have to reinstall windows on partitions 3 and 4 urgg |
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| 03:23.03 | chuck | adb, thanks! |
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| 03:23.18 | ThinkPadX200 | Anyone know how to get brightness control working? |
| 03:23.23 | ThinkPadX200 | screen |
| 03:23.26 | adb | chuck, yw |
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| 03:23.45 | xyan | jpapertowel: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 03:23.55 | xyan | jpapertowel: looks like yeah |
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| 03:26.06 | xyan | jpapertowel: fdisk -l shows the cylinder size for me its cylinders of 16065 * 512, multiply with 1023 and i end up with an addressable size of ~80gb |
| 03:27.00 | jpapertowel | xyan: well, it looks like i'll just drop windows after all - who needs it when the latest version of wine can run world of warcraft :P |
| 03:27.07 | phlux | I don't suppose any of you know TCL do you? |
| 03:27.38 | xyan | jpapertowel: hehe, create a small (maybe 64mb) boot partition right at the beginning then |
| 03:27.42 | ThinkPadX200 | it seems i have some .sh files pertaining to thinkpad in my /etc/acpi folder |
| 03:27.53 | ThinkPadX200 | not sure what to do with them though |
| 03:28.15 | ThinkPadX200 | including thinkpad-brightness-up.acpi |
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| 03:28.42 | jpapertowel | xyan: will do, i'll get back to you once i get the install finished (oh god I installed sid 6 times in 1 day) |
| 03:29.03 | xyan | jpapertowel: the 7th shall be the last! |
| 03:29.38 | jpapertowel | xyan: sucks for me, my lucky number is usually 146 :( |
| 03:29.57 | xyan | :-O |
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| 03:35.39 | colton_ | Is there a system call for finding the user name of the user who invoked 'you' (the process invoked)? |
| 03:36.31 | colton_ | Presumably the shell has this ability because it prints: "colton@colton-desktop:~/Desktop$ " |
| 03:37.11 | xyan | man 2 getuid |
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| 03:41.21 | xyan | colton_: the username itself via getlogin |
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| 03:44.30 | colton_ | Thanks, xyan. |
| 03:44.46 | colton_ | As I wrote above, my shell writes "colton@colton-desktop |
| 03:45.06 | colton_ | What does it mean preciesly to be "@colton-desktop"? |
| 03:45.25 | xyan | username@hostname |
| 03:45.43 | xyan | bash uses internal variables \u \h to do that |
| 03:45.45 | colton_ | what is the hostname? the name of a host process? |
| 03:46.02 | xyan | name of the machine |
| 03:46.04 | jorizma | network name |
| 03:46.33 | colton_ | Oh, so my computer's name is "colton-desktop' and that's probably something I set up at installation? |
| 03:46.39 | jorizma | yes |
| 03:46.54 | colton_ | Is thre a way to query for the computer's name too? |
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| 03:47.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | sounds like an ubiquity installed system |
| 03:47.48 | jorizma | run hostname |
| 03:48.08 | rgr | what do you mean "quers for the compueters name too"? You just said you know the name. |
| 03:48.12 | rgr | query |
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| 03:50.59 | kj4 | hello debian...ers... |
| 03:51.06 | kj4 | debianites |
| 03:51.10 | colton_ | I mean, from inside of a program, is there a system call to find the computer's name? |
| 03:51.17 | jorizma | gethostname() |
| 03:51.25 | colton_ | *debianians |
| 03:51.47 | kj4 | colton_: like that one |
| 03:54.53 | kj4 | droids dont poop |
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| 03:54.55 | colton_ | I wonder if you were to sample the i.q. of the average debian user and that of the average ubuntu user, what you'd find. |
| 03:54.55 | MarGarina | Any idea what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64? |
| 03:55.09 | colton_ | Or, the average gnome user, vs the average kde user. |
| 03:55.19 | colton_ | Or the average microsoft user vs . . . |
| 03:55.24 | jpapertowel | lxde user :) |
| 03:55.48 | MarGarina | colby: that's really easy. Compare the amount of useless comments on Debian bugs to Ubuntu bugs. |
| 03:55.50 | kj4 | colton_: i |
| 03:55.52 | jorizma | 2.6.32-2 is kernel 2.6.32.2, 2.6.32-trunk could be a couple different things |
| 03:56.16 | kj4 | i,d bet my months pay that there is a definable correlation |
| 03:56.16 | MarGarina | colby: Anyway, kde vs. gnome, do you suppose there's a difference? |
| 03:56.26 | wols | jorizma: 2.6.32-2 is just the 2nd debian kernel of 2.6.32 |
| 03:56.36 | kj4 | MarGarina: not sure about that one |
| 03:56.40 | MarGarina | wols: yeah, but there's -1, what's trunk? |
| 03:56.53 | wols | where is trunk from? |
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| 03:57.48 | MarGarina | wols: debian sid |
| 03:58.28 | jorizma | wols: er, yeah. sorry. used to slh kernels :) |
| 03:58.50 | wols | MarGarina: which repo. I can't find it |
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| 03:59.25 | wols | nope. trunk is not in debian |
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| 04:00.01 | MarGarina | weird, maybe they removed it |
| 04:00.19 | wols | no they did not. kmuto's kernel is named trunk |
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| 04:01.58 | MarGarina | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-amd64 <- this seems to depend on trunk |
| 04:02.01 | MarGarina | which is not available |
| 04:02.07 | MarGarina | anyway I'll just remove it and install the regular one |
| 04:02.10 | MarGarina | thanks |
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| 04:03.22 | MarGarina | aight, according to the changelog they've switched off trunk, good: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_24/changelog |
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| 04:10.20 | jpapertowel | xyan: i'm back, having trouble using grub with the export TERM=vt100 though, uhh, it doesn't let me see results and i'm always typing on the same line over top of something |
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| 04:11.06 | xyan | jpapertowel: try export TERM=linux |
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| 04:11.34 | jpapertowel | xyan: same thing :( |
| 04:11.43 | colton_ | for some reason, getlogin_r is failing when I call it. |
| 04:11.52 | xyan | and ansi? |
| 04:12.02 | rgr | you should not have to set your TERM. The termianl itself sho9uld do it. |
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| 04:12.34 | xyan | rgr: it was set to bterm and didnt let the grub shell start at all |
| 04:13.10 | rgr | not familiar with bterm |
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| 04:14.55 | arvind_khadri | xyan, shouldnt it be set to xterm ? |
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| 04:15.16 | xyan | no X in d-i rescue |
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| 04:15.55 | jpapertowel | alright, so the first device (hd0,<something>) line I type in grub should refer to my /boot partition? |
| 04:16.07 | arvind_khadri | oh ok |
| 04:16.16 | xyan | jpapertowel: right |
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| 04:17.43 | jpapertowel | xyan: checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no - how shall I make this exist? |
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| 04:18.28 | xyan | jpapertowel: see /usr/lib/grub/ |
| 04:18.51 | xyan | jpapertowel: theres a dir like i686 or something with all the stage files and stuff |
| 04:19.24 | xyan | jpapertowel: copy them over to /boot/grub/ |
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| 04:20.57 | jpapertowel | with /boot/grub being a different partition, I suppose I have to mount my boot partition somewhere? |
| 04:21.27 | xyan | jpapertowel: sure you mounted your root partition eg to /mnt, so mount boot to /mnt/boot |
| 04:21.53 | xyan | jpapertowel: if you installed grub-legacy those files should already exist in /boot/grub/ |
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| 04:23.05 | jpapertowel | xyan: i didn't have it mounted when i aptitude install'd it, oopos |
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| 04:24.00 | fireun | wth is going on with sid? |
| 04:24.04 | xyan | jpapertowel: :) |
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| 04:24.24 | fireun | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 is listed, but there is no package available for it |
| 04:24.44 | fireun | linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on the above version, but again, its not available |
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| 04:25.37 | jpapertowel | yeah lol when i installed sid using business card, linux-image-2.6-amd64 gave me an error but selecting linux-image-2.6.32-amd64 worked :/ |
| 04:26.26 | fireun | jpapertowel: well I initially installed with the first, but then tried linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 and it gave me problems, so I cleaned out and tried to reinstall the old one, its gone man |
| 04:26.32 | fireun | its not even listed anymore on debian.org |
| 04:27.01 | fireun | someone is being way way to fastidious in cleaning out the debian repos |
| 04:27.21 | jpapertowel | xyan: i don't know how to use cp (so used to desktop environments), it'd be cp -a /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-pc /boot/grub? |
| 04:27.41 | xyan | fireun: theres Version: 2.6.32+24 with Depends: linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 in sid for me |
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| 04:28.12 | xyan | jpapertowel: would copy the whole directory imo |
| 04:28.21 | fireun | xyan: I dont want it, I want my old kernel! |
| 04:28.22 | fireun | (: |
| 04:28.37 | xyan | jpapertowel: cp /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-pc/* /boot/grub/ |
| 04:28.42 | jpapertowel | xyan: thanks :) |
| 04:29.00 | fireun | xyan: a couple updates rolled out at that point, and now my radeon firmware doesnt load on boot anymore |
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| 04:29.37 | xyan | fireun: i use to compile kernels myself |
| 04:30.11 | fireun | xyan: I got better things to do these days, and way too much time to tweak options... I'm not up for it anymore |
| 04:30.50 | xyan | fireun: well its not much effort, you just have to keep track on security related things once you have your perfect .config |
| 04:31.05 | fireun | xyan: too much effort for me (: |
| 04:31.07 | xyan | fireun: http://96hertz.com/tmp/bootchart.png <- guess a debian kernel wont boot like that |
| 04:32.35 | fireun | xyan: nope, my old install is 35sec, the new sid install I'm working on is much much quicker |
| 04:32.40 | fireun | still not 10sec |
| 04:32.56 | xyan | having the 9sec -rt patched one also ;-) |
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| 04:34.46 | jpapertowel | xyan: grub install succeeded, reboot? |
| 04:34.58 | xyan | jpapertowel: nope, update-grub ! |
| 04:35.06 | xyan | then reboot, and fingers crossed |
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| 04:36.01 | jpapertowel | sigh, looks like i'm going to use pastebinit |
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| 04:36.50 | fireun | I sure hate sid |
| 04:38.55 | jpapertowel | nevermind i forgot aptitude doesn't want to work, no pastebinit, so, I get Searching for default file ... Generating /boot/grub/default file and setting the default boot entry to 0 entry not specified. |
| 04:38.58 | Amarande | that's what you get for using sid |
| 04:39.04 | fireun | no joke |
| 04:39.14 | Amarande | "WARNING DANGER WILL ROBINSON UNSTABLE THINGS MIGHT BREAK!" "I used it and things broke! :(" |
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| 04:39.58 | xyan | jpapertowel: er you cant use aptitude? |
| 04:40.06 | fireun | and then there's lenny, which is good for running a router maybe |
| 04:40.22 | jpapertowel | i used sid because it was 4 less letters than squeeze, i'm trying to conserve disk space here |
| 04:40.25 | Warlord | I'm having a problem with on debian I have a user that cannot execute any commands |
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| 04:40.31 | Warlord | any idea what it could be? |
| 04:40.45 | jpapertowel | xyan: yeah, /dev/pts not mounted errors |
| 04:41.01 | xyan | jpapertowel: mount that "mount -t devpts none /dev/pts" |
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| 04:41.40 | xyan | jpapertowel: it would be the best thing to reinstall the grub-legacy package to get that default file created i geuss |
| 04:41.58 | Warlord | :S |
| 04:42.10 | Warlord | -su: ps: command not found |
| 04:42.17 | simonrvn | echo $PATH |
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| 04:42.27 | Warlord | -su: ls: command not found |
| 04:42.41 | simonrvn | do that ^^^ |
| 04:42.55 | Warlord | ok |
| 04:43.05 | jpapertowel | xyan: unable to create /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i: invalid argument |
| 04:43.11 | simonrvn | unlike some retarded OSes, unix has something called an exec PATH |
| 04:43.27 | Warlord | ./usr/local/bin/login.sh |
| 04:43.35 | Warlord | a login info bash script I made |
| 04:43.37 | simonrvn | it's the list of directories that will be scanned for executables |
| 04:43.42 | Warlord | but it works on other users. :S |
| 04:43.44 | xyan | jpapertowel: does the /var/lib/dpkg/updates dir exist? |
| 04:44.04 | jpapertowel | xyan: yes |
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| 04:44.08 | simonrvn | Warlord: did you insert that initial period for IRC or is it that way ? |
| 04:44.17 | simonrvn | s,on,for, |
| 04:44.49 | Warlord | it's that way. |
| 04:44.55 | simonrvn | and what does this script do and set? |
| 04:45.07 | simonrvn | um, remove the period |
| 04:45.09 | Warlord | mainly show quota how many screens you have running |
| 04:45.31 | simonrvn | (not the '.sh' but the ./ one) |
| 04:45.42 | xyan | jpapertowel: try grub-set-default 0 |
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| 04:46.08 | Warlord | k |
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| 04:47.26 | simonrvn | Warlord: that initial . makes the os look in pwd |
| 04:47.45 | simonrvn | er, try to run it from pwd |
| 04:48.30 | Warlord | 20:43:31 war@fatal:~$ pwd |
| 04:48.34 | Warlord | ./home/war |
| 04:48.43 | Warlord | added the dot |
| 04:49.37 | jpapertowel | xyan: we have some slight success, i'm into the grub loader when I boot, it shows Debian and safe in the boot list, but booting results in error 23: error while parsing number root (/dev/mapper/isw_dchegbcchj_RAWR1) |
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| 04:50.40 | xyan | jpapertowel: get into the grub shell |
| 04:50.51 | jpapertowel | in it |
| 04:50.54 | xyan | jpapertowel: root (hd0,0) |
| 04:52.07 | simonrvn | Warlord: yeh, so it'd be looking for /home/war/./usr/local/bin/login.sh and of course won't work if it's not there ;) |
| 04:52.26 | Warlord | hm |
| 04:53.28 | jpapertowel | xyan: booted, however, fsck is failing |
| 04:53.52 | hile | if you PATH contains just this one script, the setup is very much screwed up anyway |
| 04:53.57 | xyan | jpapertowel: what is it saying? |
| 04:54.51 | jpapertowel | xyan: /dev/mapper/isw_dchegbcchj_RAWRp1: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem |
| 04:54.59 | hile | and there IS a difference having a script included with . /foo/bar.sh and executed like ./foo/bar.sh |
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| 04:56.04 | hile | warlord, cleanest solution would be to just move the script to name /etc/profile.d/local.sh and all other remove local modifications |
| 04:57.54 | Warlord | k |
| 04:58.15 | hile | _if_ you want it to be included for every user in every interactive login |
| 05:00.44 | hile | files in profile.d are included to login profile, so no source or . is required - i still think your original mistake was to forget the space between . and / in the . /usr/local/bin/login.sh, changing the command from 'include this to profile' to 'try executing something under current directory as shell program' |
| 05:01.42 | hile | and careful, test it login as new root shell BEFORE logging out, you can screw up root logins with this as well! |
| 05:03.27 | jpapertowel | xyan: it looks like fsck is trying to open /dev/mapper/isw_dchegbcchj_RAWRp1 instead of /dev/mapper/isw_dchegbcchj_RAWR1? |
| 05:03.50 | hile | Warlord: I would actually go and put these changes inside a test and not do it as root at all: if [ $(id -u) != 0 ];then dosomething; fi |
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| 05:08.52 | xyan | jpapertowel: yeah it seems like that. thats related to dmsetup which is called with an initscript only found this here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448919 to understand whats wrong |
| 05:12.50 | judge-- | I installed apache with apt-get install. how can I install php and configure it to use postgresql? |
| 05:13.08 | peterS | judge--: the package is called libapache2-mod-php5, I believe. install it. |
| 05:13.59 | peterS | well, and the other package is called php5-pgsql |
| 05:14.11 | judge-- | peterS but what I was really wondering was how to do it, because I want to use a CAPCHA class that will also need some libs to deal with images |
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| 05:14.21 | xyan | jpapertowel: can you try to append fastboot=1 to the kernel line in grub, this should avoid fsck, does your system boot at all with this setting? |
| 05:14.49 | peterS | judge--: start with: apt-cache search php5 image |
| 05:14.51 | judge-- | libpng, jpegsrc, freetype and zlib |
| 05:14.59 | judge-- | ok thank you |
| 05:15.19 | peterS | also 'apt-cache search php5 postgres' is how I knew about the php5-pgsql package |
| 05:15.32 | lotus-blade | is there any way to get openoffice.org 3.X installed? I used the aptitude and only got v2.4 |
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| 05:15.53 | judge-- | If I install all packages then it'll be fine? |
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| 05:16.23 | peterS | judge--: that is where to start. I don't know if /etc/whatever/php.ini needs to be edited to enable those other modules, or if that happens at install time |
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| 05:17.31 | jpapertowel | xyan: i forgot to complete the installer before i rebooted, lol >.< |
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| 05:19.56 | xyan | jpapertowel: dont think there happens much after the bootloader installation, other than that im not sure if you need to do any changes regarding the initramfs |
| 05:20.33 | judge-- | peterS seems it will be more complicated then install Apache manually |
| 05:20.50 | judge-- | do you have any tutorial in your pocket that you would like to suggest me? |
| 05:21.29 | jpapertowel | xyan: well, it sets up the users and root account, those would be useful to log in :/ |
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| 05:22.00 | xyan | jpapertowel: oh you didnt do that⦠lol :-) happy hacking im off to bed |
| 05:22.19 | jpapertowel | xyan: g'night and thanks for the help :) |
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| 05:22.46 | xyan | jpapertowel: the number was 146 right? :P |
| 05:22.53 | jpapertowel | haha yeah :( |
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| 05:24.08 | peterS | judge--: errr, I don't see how 'aptitude install apache2-mpm-prefork' is more complicated than installing apache manually |
| 05:24.53 | judge-- | what's prefork? |
| 05:25.15 | judge-- | I mean, how you know that the package? |
| 05:25.21 | judge-- | How I could have figured out? |
| 05:25.23 | peterS | that is one of the apache multi-processing models you get to choose from when you are installing apache2 |
| 05:25.46 | judge-- | yes, just saw on a debian page it |
| 05:26.01 | peterS | the way you would have figured it out though is that when you install libapache2-mod-php5 it would have required it specifically |
| 05:26.21 | peterS | so, knowing that, I took a shortcut |
| 05:26.40 | peterS | php is not compatible with some of the other multi-processing models |
| 05:26.48 | judge-- | yes, but I need to compile PHP with many other libs support |
| 05:27.02 | judge-- | then I can't use that package |
| 05:27.10 | judge-- | I can install apache2 with apt-get |
| 05:27.14 | judge-- | and php manually |
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| 05:27.25 | judge-- | but I still need to know how to configure apache2 to use php |
| 05:27.35 | judge-- | hot to "enable" php in apache |
| 05:27.45 | peterS | you might have luck with the 'php5-dev' package - you can compile library-specific php modules using that |
| 05:28.13 | judge-- | peterS could you provide some more details, please? |
| 05:28.49 | peterS | the way to enable it, after installing libapache2-mod-php5, is something like 'a2enmod php5', where a2enmod is short for 'apache2 enable module'. it is a shell script that pretty much just creates a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 05:29.24 | peterS | do I look like someone who has ever build third-party php modules? I haven't. I know php5-dev is likely to be useful when you are doing so, but the details are up to you and your README files |
| 05:30.07 | hile | if the 3rd party module is done correctly, you do NOT need to install apache or php from sources |
| 05:30.22 | peterS | though really if all you want is image handling I would suggest that php5-imagick is probably going to have the functionality you will need |
| 05:30.56 | hile | yeah in most cases the modules needed are already available anyway, like imagick |
| 05:31.06 | peterS | assuming you have the liberty of picking your implementation, that is. if you're installing some third-party blob that has specific dependencies and you don't want to rewrite it, then you're a bit more on your own |
| 05:31.52 | judge-- | peterS I didn't write the source |
| 05:32.06 | judge-- | I don't know if imagick would feet all needs |
| 05:32.21 | peterS | I don't either. I write php code only under duress (i.e., when I am paid for it) |
| 05:32.49 | judge-- | the tutorial tells me to compile php with something like: ./configure --with-pgsql=/usr/local/pgsql --enable-track-vars --with-apache=../apache_1.3.36 --with-zlib --with-gd --enable-gd-native-ttf --with-ttf --enable-gd-imgstrttf --with-jpeg-dir=../jpeg-6b --with-png-dir=../libpng-1.2.12 --with-freetype-dir=/usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
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| 05:33.08 | hile | interent is full of useless tutorials, especially for php |
| 05:33.18 | peterS | that's kinda old school. nobody's used apache 1.3.36 for ... a long time |
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| 05:33.33 | judge-- | sure, but the requisites are the same |
| 05:33.39 | peterS | even apache 2.0.63 is considered pretty dated these days, 2.2.x is where it's at |
| 05:33.43 | judge-- | because that tutorial were made by the source's owner |
| 05:34.16 | judge-- | I need to know how to have these libs with PHP5, and then load it into apache2 |
| 05:34.26 | judge-- | for standard tasks apt-get is amazing. |
| 05:34.37 | hile | this is a standard task |
| 05:34.37 | peterS | I suggest some 'apt-cache search' and see if the modules this source is asking for are available as debian packages |
| 05:34.41 | peterS | I bet most of them are |
| 05:34.45 | judge-- | But I get completly confused when I need to customize the includes or something like this |
| 05:35.18 | judge-- | I did it.. there's nothing in apt-cache for jpegsrc |
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| 05:35.38 | peterS | as for enabling specific modules in php, it's a matter of editing /etc/...something.../php.ini and adding lines to load them. but I don't know offhand exactly where the php.ini for apache2-mod-php5 is |
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| 05:35.58 | judge-- | hum |
| 05:36.13 | judge-- | you mean that I can install php5 + apache exaclty as I'm used to do with apt-get |
| 05:36.21 | judge-- | and then enable these extensions in php.ini? |
| 05:36.35 | peterS | yes if they are available. I wouldn't be surprised if most or all of them are available. |
| 05:36.47 | peterS | some of them might even be in the core php5 package, others in auxilliary packages lik php5-pgsql. |
| 05:37.00 | hile | judge, it is impossible to tell if this works for you, because you are so vague about it |
| 05:37.32 | peterS | hile: well to be fair he did paste the configure line that implies which php modules the third-party software expects to have available. it's still a little vague but it's something. |
| 05:38.03 | hile | yeah but I have not seen which 3rd party software this is, maybe it is packaged... |
| 05:38.47 | judge-- | hile it's not.. |
| 05:38.54 | judge-- | they didn't updated even the tutorial |
| 05:38.56 | peterS | judge--: also note that if the author expects you to be using apache 1.3, they might be expecting you to use php4. neither is in debian any longer, these days it is apache 2.2 and php5. so you want to make sure your software is compatible with php5. I mean, who knows. |
| 05:38.59 | judge-- | much less creating packages |
| 05:39.11 | hile | and if it's as old as the configure line suggests, it may actually compiling from sources, with old apache and php |
| 05:39.16 | judge-- | I already tested with php5 |
| 05:39.17 | judge-- | it works fine |
| 05:39.18 | peterS | I don't think php5 broke very much php4 code but you never know |
| 05:39.30 | judge-- | but that time I compiled all by hand |
| 05:39.41 | judge-- | didn't used apt-get, wich would make things much easier |
| 05:40.02 | judge-- | didn't use* |
| 05:40.08 | hile | it would be much easier if you simply told which package you are talking about :) |
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| 05:40.24 | hile | of course it might be proprietary |
| 05:40.29 | judge-- | hile there's no package |
| 05:40.51 | judge-- | I just need to compile php with some image libs support |
| 05:40.59 | judge-- | to run some .php I have here |
| 05:41.25 | hile | ugh, so ou actually need php with gd? |
| 05:41.25 | judge-- | I'll try doing it by hand again. |
| 05:41.34 | judge-- | yes |
| 05:41.38 | judge-- | among other requisites |
| 05:41.40 | hile | what about installing php5-gd and checking everything works? |
| 05:41.48 | judge-- | the tutorial tells me to compile php with something like: ./configure --with-pgsql=/usr/local/pgsql --enable-track-vars --with-apache=../apache_1.3.36 --with-zlib --with-gd --enable-gd-native-ttf --with-ttf --enable-gd-imgstrttf --with-jpeg-dir=../jpeg-6b --with-png-dir=../libpng-1.2.12 --with-freetype-dir=/usr/include/freetype2/freetype |
| 05:42.01 | judge-- | I'm not sure if only php-gd would feet |
| 05:42.09 | judge-- | look that freetype thing |
| 05:42.15 | peterS | gd uses freetype |
| 05:42.17 | peterS | just fyi |
| 05:42.26 | judge-- | Ok, I'll give a shoot. |
| 05:42.29 | judge-- | :) |
| 05:42.30 | hile | all the other references are just to tell for the compilation phase where to find standard libs |
| 05:43.18 | judge-- | then I have to do: apt-get install php5-gd libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:43.18 | judge-- | ? |
| 05:43.42 | hile | and the postgres module you wanted |
| 05:43.47 | judge-- | hum. sure |
| 05:44.15 | peterS | and possibly add some module load lines to a php.ini or php5.ini file somewhere |
| 05:44.32 | hile | it's /etc/php5 |
| 05:45.06 | hile | iirc full path /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 05:45.15 | peterS | eh, I would have assumed it was something more specific to apache, given you can install multiple php binaries on a system |
| 05:45.19 | peterS | ah ok |
| 05:46.39 | judge-- | I installed, but it doesn't enabled php |
| 05:46.48 | judge-- | when I try to access a php file, it asks me to download it |
| 05:46.55 | hile | a2enmod php5 |
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| 05:47.03 | judge-- | says it's already enabled |
| 05:47.06 | paket | hi |
| 05:47.13 | judge-- | stradioti:~# a2enmod php5 |
| 05:47.13 | judge-- | Module php5 already enabled |
| 05:47.13 | hile | and you restarted apache? |
| 05:47.16 | judge-- | yes |
| 05:47.27 | judge-- | stradioti:/etc/apache2/sites-available# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 05:47.27 | judge-- | Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . |
| 05:47.48 | paket | i have sound problem can someone help? it disappeared after upgrading sound drivers please help |
| 05:49.21 | paket | fhdlfjhsdsjd;osk |
| 05:50.50 | judge-- | how can I see a list of packages installed? |
| 05:51.19 | paket | i am sorry but i still have no sound |
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| 05:53.08 | hile | judge, the a2enmod just links the setup for php5 to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, nothing |
| 05:53.14 | hile | nothing magic was going to say |
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| 05:54.34 | peterS | judge--: I generally just run aptitude interactively and browse my packages that way, but it may be easier to run 'dpkg -l' to see a list of packages installed |
| 05:55.04 | hile | one way to break this configuration including is of course writing your own apache httpd.conf and not including these files :) |
| 05:55.54 | judge-- | peterS after I remove apache2 with apt-get remove, should the /etc/apache2 folder still be there? |
| 05:56.12 | hile | judge--: sorry but I'm not a php guy either, so I don't remember the details here |
| 05:56.14 | judge-- | because it is, with either mean it leaves left overs in the system wither it didn't removed apache2 |
| 05:56.27 | ilj | hi I run testing (http://pastebin.com/d4a7ded99) but somehow an older (stable repo) version of amaroK has stuck. aptitude show amarok shows old amarok version 1.4.10 and not 2.2.x How do I get version 2.2.x? |
| 05:56.34 | hile | well you still have apache2-mpm-worker installed? |
| 05:56.37 | jpapertowel | okay, oddly annoying problem, lots of things refer to /dev/mapping/isw_swdgsdgsdg_RAIDp1 and get a not found error because the file is actually /dev/mapping/isw_swdgsdgsdg_RAID1 -- can I just link p1 to 1 somehow? |
| 05:56.42 | judge-- | hile no problem man, I'll install all by hand.. just need to figure out how to remove the old apache2 |
| 05:56.57 | jpapertowel | like, for example, fsck is going haywire because of it |
| 05:57.15 | peterS | judge--: yes other packages install configuration files inside /etc/apache2 - apache modules and such. also, 'apache2' is not all you want to remove, but 'apache2-mpm-prefork', remember |
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| 05:57.55 | Liempt | Hi! Uh, I'm a complete Linux neophyte who's trying to install Debian on his PS3, and, well, it's been a very frustrating process and I've basically exhausted all the available online help trying to figure out what to do. I'm wondering if someone who is experience or otherwise knowledgeable would be willing to lend a hand? |
| 05:58.02 | peterS | judge--: also, 'apt-get remove' intentionally leaves your configuration files in place, so that if you later 'apt-get install' the same package again, you haven't lost any configuration. if you want to truly remove your config files, you need to use 'apt-get remove --purge' or 'aptitude purge' (or 'dpkg --purge') |
| 05:58.24 | hile | jpapertowel: the p1 refers to the fact you would be using first partition instaed of raw disk, but if you don't have such device, maybe you installed to raw partition? |
| 05:58.54 | jpapertowel | hile: i think it's just a naming bug |
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| 05:59.19 | hile | could be, this was fake raid stuff? |
| 05:59.28 | jpapertowel | hile: aye |
| 05:59.38 | hile | yeah, sorry never touched those |
| 06:00.43 | jpapertowel | think I could just use ln in /dev and send all the p1 requests off to 1? |
| 06:00.55 | judge-- | peterS i listed all packages and greped by apache |
| 06:01.04 | judge-- | seems all were removed, but the dirs wtill there. |
| 06:01.12 | judge-- | it seems that there's no problem on there |
| 06:01.15 | judge-- | on that* |
| 06:01.37 | judge-- | yes, seems it's been removed. a2ensite not working anymore |
| 06:02.30 | peterS | then you are left with the difference between remove and purge |
| 06:02.34 | dansushi | Recently i've had a certain odd issue on debian. After I've left it on for a long amount of time, maybe 12 hours, and i come back from classes or something, it's completely frozen except for the mouse. I move the mouse around and click on certain things, but nothing happens. about 50% of the time, it stays frozen forever, and i have to restart X, the other half of the time, it unfreezes after 5 minutes. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 06:02.39 | dansushi | It started on my desktop about 6 months ago, and just recently started on my laptop a week ago. I can't think of anything that would cause something like this to happen on both machines. |
| 06:02.52 | judge-- | peterS ? |
| 06:03.01 | peterS | you didn't read what I wrote about remove vs. purge, did you? |
| 06:03.05 | peterS | I'm not going to write it again |
| 06:04.02 | hile | dansushi: could be some badly behaving screensaver module, try setting it to just 'blank screen' |
| 06:04.22 | dansushi | i have the screensaver off |
| 06:04.45 | hile | damn that was so easy answer :) |
| 06:04.48 | dansushi | i had it on before, and it happened then too, the wierd thing was i could type my password and get back in, but after that, it was frozen |
| 06:05.24 | judge-- | let me scroll up |
| 06:06.13 | judge-- | sorry, just saw it. |
| 06:06.14 | jpapertowel | yay! i solved all those annoying p1 not found problems using ln! :) |
| 06:06.23 | judge-- | ok, it was removed, not purged. |
| 06:06.23 | dansushi | hile: if it's not the screensaver, do you know what else it could be? |
| 06:06.34 | judge-- | that's why php is not working |
| 06:06.42 | dansushi | also, why it came about so suddenly? |
| 06:06.51 | judge-- | it left the old apache (without php support) in place |
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| 06:10.01 | hile | dansushi: no idea sorry |
| 06:10.12 | ilj | anyone? |
| 06:10.30 | dansushi | hile: ok, thanks anyway |
| 06:10.32 | hile | judge--: it HAS php support but you just had something tiny wrong in setup |
| 06:11.44 | judge-- | yes.. |
| 06:12.04 | jpapertowel | uhh crap, how do I make ln creates links stay after I reboot |
| 06:12.25 | jpapertowel | in /dev, I mean |
| 06:12.45 | judge-- | I droped anything related to php/apache (listed with the command peterS told me) and then did: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-pgsql php5-gd |
| 06:12.59 | judge-- | started apache but it stills ask me to download all .php |
| 06:13.15 | judge-- | then I tried to disable php and then enable it again. Didn't work either.. |
| 06:13.21 | judge-- | too* |
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| 06:19.30 | hile | well, dunno, I have a server with php5 and it has no specific configuration besides a2enmod php5, it just works |
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| 06:20.19 | kcin8 | i got a partition i would like a user to have RW access to. i can mount the partition np but users dont have access |
| 06:20.52 | kcin8 | should i mkdir and give that user/group access or is there a better way to do it with mount directly? |
| 06:21.23 | hile | just checked, it's configuration files have no other php references except the standard stuff in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf |
| 06:22.01 | judge-- | :/ |
| 06:22.39 | hile | maybe you have another old apache running or something, and the restart never succeeds? |
| 06:23.00 | judge-- | I'm checking that |
| 06:23.12 | judge-- | All packages related to php/apache I removed again with --purge |
| 06:23.16 | judge-- | now I'll install apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-pgsql php5-gd again |
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| 06:24.32 | hile | just to make it very clear ... change the file you are getting to make sure you connect to correct server :) |
| 06:24.34 | ThinkPadX200 | Ok so I installed flashplugin-nonfree in apt-get and tried to play a youtube video |
| 06:24.41 | ThinkPadX200 | but of course this is linux, and that would be too easy |
| 06:24.46 | ThinkPadX200 | still no flash player =\ |
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| 06:25.50 | hile | judge--: has happened before, that you connect to the another server which happens to have same files :) |
| 06:26.18 | Arrowmaster | ThinkPadX200: sudo update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 06:26.26 | judge-- | worked.. |
| 06:26.41 | judge-- | the problem was the trashs |
| 06:26.48 | hile | good |
| 06:27.10 | hile | hopefully now all your stuff works with stock php, makes future setup much cleaner |
| 06:27.21 | ThinkPadX200 | Arrowmaster: says i have 2 options |
| 06:27.39 | ThinkPadX200 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.39 | ThinkPadX200 | *+ 2 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 06:28.00 | Arrowmaster | have it use 2 |
| 06:28.07 | Arrowmaster | which it already is |
| 06:28.13 | Arrowmaster | did you restart your browser? |
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| 06:29.29 | judge-- | :) |
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| 06:29.38 | ThinkPadX200 | Arrowmaster: i see the black box and right click brings up flash player |
| 06:29.48 | ThinkPadX200 | but no video controls or video, perhaps graphics driver issue? |
| 06:30.13 | zubin71 | hi , ive written a small script which can help programmers at the linux terminal; its currently a work in progress and is hosted at http://code.google.com/p/pyautorun |
| 06:30.14 | Arrowmaster | what browser? |
| 06:30.19 | ThinkPadX200 | konquerer |
| 06:30.36 | zubin71 | id like to have it accepted into the debian repositories... how do i do that? |
| 06:35.19 | ThinkPadX200 | videos play fine in iceweasel |
| 06:35.40 | ThinkPadX200 | absolute shit fullscreen performance though |
| 06:35.48 | ThinkPadX200 | even on standard def |
| 06:36.46 | ThinkPadX200 | ah ic |
| 06:36.53 | ThinkPadX200 | had to change cpu clock speed |
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| 06:38.59 | ThinkPadX200 | 1080p still not smooth though |
| 06:39.10 | ThinkPadX200 | how do i configure my video driver? |
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| 06:42.03 | Arrowmaster | its flash in linux, you wont get very good performance out of it |
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| 06:43.17 | ThinkPadX200 | I may need to resize my partition and install win7 for some stuff |
| 06:43.46 | ThinkPadX200 | only problem? recovery partition got destroyed when i tried to hackintosh, so I have no way of ever installing win7 again without paying lenovo for the disks |
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| 06:44.41 | WormFood | what package in squeeze contains the "git" binary? it isn't in the obvious (to me) package |
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| 06:44.56 | Arrowmaster | git-core |
| 06:45.03 | Arrowmaster | if you are looking for the vcs |
| 06:45.23 | WormFood | I installed git-core, not there |
| 06:45.41 | WormFood | oops, I'm sorry, I mean on stable, not squeeze |
| 06:46.05 | ThinkPadX200 | Arrowmaster: is it difficult to install compiz for kde on debian? or is this command all i need: apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 06:46.06 | WormFood | and it didn't install git-core...I guess I need to update |
| 06:46.09 | WormFood | thank Arrowmaster |
| 06:48.04 | Arrowmaster | ThinkPadX200: not sure, i fought with compiz for a while but gave up |
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| 06:53.48 | jpapertowel | yikes, can I downgrade to xorg 7.4 on sid? |
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| 06:56.07 | D-Boy | How to modify a sequence in a file ? (find all 'bob' occurrences on file1 and replace them with 'mary') |
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| 06:56.34 | Pavlz | hello |
| 06:56.45 | Pavlz | i have a question for you : |
| 06:57.08 | Pavlz | next 13 may i'll go in Berlin at WCW 2010 |
| 06:59.18 | Pavlz | the question is: i want to buy a minidv camera, but i don't know |
| 06:59.31 | Pavlz | which are fine supported by GNU/linux |
| 07:01.59 | ThinkPadX200 | skype for linux? |
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| 07:02.39 | ThinkPadX200 | not in apt-get, no skype for me @_@ |
| 07:03.46 | Pavlz | use Ekiga |
| 07:03.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | D-Boy: sed |
| 07:04.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pavlz: jfgi is probably the best way to check |
| 07:04.25 | D-Boy | Kamping_Kaiser : i'm trying it right now (even if i'm a sed noob ^^) |
| 07:05.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | D-Boy: in short, sed -i -e 's/string1/string2/g' (if you don't want global, /g is not good for you) |
| 07:05.29 | D-Boy | the strings contains spaces |
| 07:05.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | sed can handle it |
| 07:05.50 | Pavlz | ok try it, i don't know it, i know Ekiga and i know is GPL, jfgi is it ? |
| 07:06.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | check the man page for options about backing up the file before changing while you get familiar |
| 07:06.20 | D-Boy | Kamping_Kaiser : okey, thx |
| 07:06.43 | judge-- | Something weired is happening here. Please, take a look: http://cservice.joinirc.org/live/ and try to access some .php file (It didn't find even the index.php). However, if you access http://cservice.joinirc.org/ it will work fine.. |
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| 07:07.04 | judge-- | that /link is a symbolic link to a folder |
| 07:07.09 | judge-- | ops, /live* |
| 07:07.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | judge--: is apache configured to allow symlinks? |
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| 07:07.51 | judge-- | let me check, didn't know about it |
| 07:08.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pavlz: jfgi stands for just fucking google it |
| 07:08.51 | Pavlz | i can't know this new term |
| 07:08.58 | judge-- | how can I check that Kamping_Kaiser? |
| 07:09.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | judge--: i don't recall off the top of my head - the doco on the apache website is good |
| 07:09.49 | judge-- | ok |
| 07:11.21 | Pavlz | anyone of you saw the movie Freedom DownTime ? |
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| 07:11.38 | judge-- | kabniel |
| 07:11.43 | judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser yes, they are: FollowSymLinks |
| 07:11.46 | Pavlz | is very interesting, more than TakeDown |
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| 07:16.29 | judge-- | Kamping_Kaiser I also tryed doing it as an Alias, in apache conf (alias + <directory> entry) and got the same. any other suggestion? |
| 07:16.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | judge--: no sorry, and i'm about to head off for a while :/ |
| 07:17.26 | sxp | I have grub v 1.97 beta 3. How can I disable the message "Minimal BASH-like line editting is supported" when my PC starts? |
| 07:17.48 | judge-- | sure |
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| 07:34.00 | NoCode | Has there been any luck getting the Logitech QuickCam 4000 working in Squeeze? |
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| 07:39.01 | shoppe | NoCode: you'd be better off asking google |
| 07:39.26 | NoCode | Yeah I am using Google at the moment |
| 07:40.00 | brbrbr | i guess Logitech tech support can handle this |
| 07:40.07 | brbrbr | if not - SUE Them! |
| 07:40.28 | brbrbr | kidding |
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| 07:40.57 | shoppe | doubt anyone here has even used that web cam |
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| 08:09.01 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 08:09.24 | wsxws | what packed do i need to install to be able to use ccmake ? |
| 08:09.29 | wsxws | package |
| 08:09.58 | project2501a | apt-cache search ccmake man :) |
| 08:10.19 | project2501a | fuck redhat |
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| 08:10.47 | wsxws | leads to xutils-dev, i dont have any x |
| 08:10.54 | cahoot | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ccmake&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 08:12.06 | cahoot | wsxws: cmake it seems |
| 08:12.32 | wsxws | yes, thanks |
| 08:12.42 | wsxws | i guess i should bookmark that debiansite someday |
| 08:13.03 | project2501a | awgawd... i just got handed a redhat box. |
| 08:14.32 | wsxws | up2date sux |
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| 08:16.39 | wsxws | thanks for help an have a bice one |
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| 08:21.58 | Rapsodius | how do I make a script run each time I login into X? using gdm and LXDE |
| 08:22.12 | Rapsodius | only for my user not for the rest |
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| 08:25.34 | Rapsodius | however I would like to do it after pcmanfm finished initializing the fake root window since my script changes the background |
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| 08:51.42 | TiMiDo | !ops |
| 08:51.42 | dpkg | it has been said that ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 08:51.44 | TiMiDo | !ops |
| 08:51.48 | TiMiDo | dpkg ops a |
| 08:51.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: timido complains about: a |
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| 08:58.18 | clau | hello |
| 08:58.27 | clau | I have this problem on a dell server that has bnx2 nics |
| 08:58.34 | shoppe | can i use dpkg to remove a package i installed using a deb? |
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| 09:00.23 | iceroot | shoppe: sure |
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| 09:02.18 | clau2 | is there any way of disabling the bnx2 driver at bootup ? |
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| 09:02.42 | clau2 | it freezes while trying to load bnx2 firmware |
| 09:02.45 | NotInternat | yep |
| 09:02.51 | NotInternat | modules.blacklist or something like that |
| 09:02.55 | NotInternat | umm *checks |
| 09:03.03 | cahoot | !tell clau2 -about blacklist |
| 09:03.21 | NotInternat | blacklist ieee1394 |
| 09:03.24 | NotInternat | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 09:03.26 | NotInternat | in that file.. |
| 09:03.35 | clau2 | thanks |
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| 09:03.49 | stony | hi |
| 09:03.56 | clau2 | now, the problem is a bit more complicated because I try to do this with clonezilla live cd NotInternat |
| 09:04.05 | clau2 | can I do this by boot flags maybe ? |
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| 09:04.20 | clau2 | unfortunately I have stressed by time because I'm about to leave this site for good |
| 09:04.28 | clau2 | and the guys want a full backup |
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| 09:04.46 | clau2 | though it's related to clonezilla, I couldn't think of a better place to ask than here |
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| 09:08.24 | NotInternat | no clue sorry |
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| 09:17.27 | TiMiDo | can someone help me with this error please http://pastebin.ca/1804464 |
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| 09:19.09 | Idntic | Packaging. The final frontier |
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| 09:19.24 | TiMiDo | ?? |
| 09:19.29 | Idntic | These are the voyages of the starship dpkg |
| 09:19.50 | Idntic | On a quest to explore new repositories |
| 09:19.50 | ikonia | morning panarchy |
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| 09:21.30 | Idntic | One small step for Debian, one giant leap for package-kind |
| 09:22.09 | ikonia | one small leap for the fantasy packages you pretend to make, one massive disaster for anyone who tries to help you |
| 09:22.35 | Idntic | In mother Russia, Debian packages you |
| 09:23.09 | ikonia | Idntic: do you need any support from #debian or are you just trolling as normal ? |
| 09:23.27 | stdisease | Idntic, heh, apt purges YOU!! |
| 09:23.29 | Idntic | Trying to figure out if I should ask here or in the mentors channel |
| 09:23.40 | Idntic | stdisease: heheh |
| 09:23.42 | ikonia | Idntic: well as you're using ubuntu - I'd guess neither |
| 09:23.55 | Idntic | ikonia: I'm trying to become an Debian maintainer |
| 09:23.58 | ikonia | yeah yeah |
| 09:24.03 | Idntic | What? |
| 09:24.08 | ikonia | </sarcasm> |
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| 09:24.18 | Idntic | *clap* *clap* |
| 09:24.31 | TiMiDo | Idntic, what's that connection call ipv6? |
| 09:24.48 | Idntic | stdisease: Ubuntu, I am your father |
| 09:24.58 | Idntic | May the package be with you |
| 09:25.01 | Idntic | :P |
| 09:25.03 | stdisease | hahahahaha |
| 09:25.40 | Idntic | Which are you laughing to, the first or the second? :D |
| 09:25.44 | Idntic | :P |
| 09:26.14 | stdisease | 2nd mainly, dirty mind :-p |
| 09:26.21 | Idntic | ;) |
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| 09:27.36 | Idntic | Live long or casper? |
| 09:27.46 | Idntic | Nah, trying to get something on it... meh |
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| 09:28.27 | Idntic | Okay, back to work |
| 09:28.32 | Idntic | away |
| 09:28.35 | Idntic | !!! |
| 09:28.35 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 09:53.20 | ThinkPadx200_Win | OMG why aftwer removing gnome 100 times will it keep booting |
| 09:53.29 | ThinkPadx200_Win | i just want to load kde... im so confused |
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| 09:53.46 | Rirto6 | Try getting to a shell |
| 09:53.48 | ThinkPadx200_Win | apt-get autoremove --purge gnome gnome-desktop-environment etc |
| 09:53.53 | ThinkPadx200_Win | somehow not enough |
| 09:54.01 | Rirto6 | have you installed kde yet? |
| 09:54.03 | ThinkPadx200_Win | yes |
| 09:54.05 | ThinkPadx200_Win | but i bricked it |
| 09:54.13 | ThinkPadx200_Win | trying to get compiz working editing xorg.conf |
| 09:54.15 | Rirto6 | Have you change your DE to KDE? |
| 09:54.19 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I'm not sure how |
| 09:54.20 | Rirto6 | Have you changed your DE to KDE? |
| 09:54.22 | jelly-home | ThinkPadx200_Win: did you /msg dpkg remove gnome ? |
| 09:54.23 | ThinkPadx200_Win | it had done it automatically for me |
| 09:54.26 | stdisease | by 'gnome' you mean the desktop or just the dipslay manager? |
| 09:54.27 | stdisease | gdm |
| 09:54.34 | ThinkPadx200_Win | the desktop |
| 09:54.44 | stdisease | hmm wow |
| 09:56.18 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I'm not sure how I select what DE I want to use |
| 09:56.22 | ThinkPadx200_Win | since gnome wont seem to die |
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| 09:57.17 | jelly-home | TiMiDo: you're running debian unstable... have you checked bugs.debian.org if that issue in libghc6-glib-dev is reported already? |
| 09:57.45 | ThinkPadx200_Win | hmm |
| 09:57.53 | ThinkPadx200_Win | running kdm brought up kde |
| 09:57.58 | ThinkPadx200_Win | startx brings up gnome |
| 09:59.00 | Rirto6 | edit GRUB? |
| 09:59.01 | stdisease | ThinkPadx200_Win, under /etc/alternatives there are symlinks like x-session-manager , those may still be pointing to gnome in your case |
| 09:59.23 | shoppe_away | is there any way to remove a single package that i installed with a deb i downloaded? |
| 09:59.25 | stdisease | startx and xdm AFAIK read those links |
| 09:59.33 | shoppe_away | i'm not sure what the exact package name is |
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| 09:59.55 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I had it uninstall gnome and gnome-desktop-environment it shouldnt even be there? |
| 10:00.05 | ThinkPadx200_Win | im tryign to open synaptic to check things out but |
| 10:00.07 | ThinkPadx200_Win | it wont even open |
| 10:00.09 | jelly-home | shoppe_away: find out the name and remove it using any tool that can remov packages. |
| 10:00.13 | stdisease | shoppe_away, you can 'dpkg -l' it shows you a complete list of what's installed , you can either look at it manually or grep for a specific keyword |
| 10:00.19 | ThinkPadx200_Win | "gtk-warning**: cannot open display: :0.0: |
| 10:00.29 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I just cant win |
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| 10:01.01 | stdisease | shoppe, after that like jelly-home said '[sudo] apt-get purge/remove <package>' |
| 10:01.11 | shoppe | yes. ty |
| 10:01.26 | wols | !remove gnome |
| 10:01.26 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 10:01.50 | ThinkPadx200_Win | aha! i just did dpkg -l | grep gnome and it showed me all my gnome shit still installed |
| 10:01.58 | ThinkPadx200_Win | i feel like a power user |
| 10:02.05 | ThinkPadx200_Win | ps: system still infested with gnome |
| 10:02.12 | wols | ThinkPadx200_Win: look at dpkg. it shows how to remove gnome |
| 10:02.42 | gothenburg | apt-get autoremove ? |
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| 10:03.50 | stdisease | I like to purge personally |
| 10:03.54 | Tera | Hello. does Debian have official USB installation image anywhere? |
| 10:03.59 | stdisease | purrrrrrrge! |
| 10:04.08 | wols | tell Tera about usb install |
| 10:04.13 | wols | !tell Tera about usb install |
| 10:04.29 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I used netbootin |
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| 10:04.31 | ThinkPadx200_Win | it was awful |
| 10:04.41 | ThinkPadx200_Win | Had to edit menu.lst in grub |
| 10:04.48 | ThinkPadx200_Win | drives autodetected wrong |
| 10:04.54 | ThinkPadx200_Win | couldnt boot |
| 10:04.57 | Tera | wols: tperfect, thanks |
| 10:05.26 | Rirto6 | ThinkPad: How's it now? |
| 10:05.35 | ThinkPadx200_Win | Its workng great |
| 10:05.53 | ThinkPadx200_Win | except that startx doesnt launch kde anymore and it still launched gnome when its not supposed to be on my machine naymore |
| 10:06.14 | ThinkPadx200_Win | i dont know how it can open when i removed both gnome and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 10:06.19 | ThinkPadx200_Win | its like a cancer |
| 10:06.27 | wols | those are virtual packages |
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| 10:06.59 | jelly-home | Tera: there are procedures to make an image (that wols pointed you to); or there are unofficial usb images listed in "/msg dpkg kmuto", but there's no simple official usb install image. |
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| 10:07.44 | ThinkPadx200_Win | Tera: get the windows utility unetbootin and select network install for debian and it will do it, but you might have the same mbr issue i had |
| 10:07.48 | stdisease | ThinkPadx200_Win, 'apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | grep gn | awk '{print $2}')' |
| 10:07.52 | ThinkPadx200_Win | you will need to update devices.list and fstab as well |
| 10:07.56 | stdisease | *grep gnome |
| 10:08.07 | ThinkPadx200_Win | stdisease let me try that |
| 10:08.16 | Tera | ThinkPadx200_Win: sorry I had only Linux boxes around. |
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| 10:08.20 | wols | stdisease: did you even read what dpkg said above? |
| 10:08.21 | jelly-home | ThinkPadx200_Win: try reading what people tell you to do, in particular, what dpkg the bot told you in the private message and in the channel above. |
| 10:08.33 | ThinkPadx200_Win | jelly: i dont have any pmas |
| 10:08.35 | ThinkPadx200_Win | -a |
| 10:08.37 | Tera | jelly-home: I see. I was hoping there would have been an official "ready to dd" image :) |
| 10:08.46 | jelly-home | ThinkPadx200_Win: then do /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 10:08.52 | wols | ThinkPadx200_Win: there is no pma by dpkg on that topic fo you. but dpkg wrote something in the channel |
| 10:09.16 | jelly-home | wols: there should be, did a !tell about an hour ago |
| 10:09.30 | wols | jelly-home: obviously it's sunday |
| 10:09.37 | wols | just got up |
| 10:09.40 | stdisease | wols, yes I did, ThinkPadx200_Win perhaps didn't, I provided a more.. radical approach |
| 10:09.50 | jelly-home | stdisease: and less correct |
| 10:09.58 | wols | stdisease: it's a stupid and dangerous approach which leaves stuff on disk |
| 10:10.44 | ThinkPadx200_Win | i got some warning about unresolved something |
| 10:10.46 | ThinkPadx200_Win | with the bots plan |
| 10:10.50 | ThinkPadx200_Win | i did it anyway |
| 10:10.53 | ThinkPadx200_Win | lets see how it goes |
| 10:11.13 | Rirto6 | k |
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| 10:11.35 | Tera | jelly-home: if I'm using the 512MB boot.img.gz, I still need to copy the contents of eg. netinstall iso-image to the USB stick? |
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| 10:12.12 | jelly-home | Tera: boot image from kmuto is complete, I think |
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| 10:12.36 | jelly-home | I have no idea why debian doesn't provide one in the first place |
| 10:12.52 | hyphenex | G'Day guys, I waned a higher version of Transmission installed, so I switched to the 'unstable' repos, then tried to upgrade it. It complained about my kernel version or something, so I decided to go back to the stable ones, now when I try and run apt-get dist-upgrade I get 'consolekit: Breaks: udev (< 147) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is installed' |
| 10:12.53 | Tera | jelly-home: like.. me neither :p |
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| 10:13.22 | leejongwook | jelly, [Q] how many lines do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? i have 6(main 2, security 2, volatile 2) |
| 10:13.24 | jelly-home | hyphenex: the simplest way to get out of that situation is a reinstall |
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| 10:13.34 | jelly-home | leejongwook: you don't wan't to know |
| 10:13.42 | leejongwook | x_x |
| 10:13.45 | hyphenex | jelly-home: the non-simplest way?? :P |
| 10:13.46 | jelly-home | wan't? eh |
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| 10:13.55 | jelly-home | !tell hyphenex about partial downgrade |
| 10:14.06 | ThinkPadx200_Win | gnome is gone at last!!!! |
| 10:14.18 | ThinkPadx200_Win | ty |
| 10:14.32 | ThinkPadx200_Win | tomorrows project: compiz |
| 10:14.33 | Rirto6 | What is the Debian Development channel? |
| 10:14.48 | hyphenex | hmm, how about I just try upgrading my box to 'unstable'? then? :P |
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| 10:15.14 | jelly-home | !tell hyphenex about unstable |
| 10:15.27 | ThinkPadx200_Win | !tell ThinkPadx200_Win about unstable |
| 10:15.37 | leejongwook | jelly-home, everyone has 6 ? |
| 10:15.40 | jelly-home | !tell hyphenex about sid |
| 10:16.00 | jelly-home | !tell ThinkPadx200_Win about msg the bot |
| 10:16.33 | hyphenex | ok, I think I'll stick to 'unstable' then? :P |
| 10:16.36 | leejongwook | jelly-home, x_x |
| 10:17.00 | ThinkPadx200_Win | "apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main" why does this epic fail |
| 10:17.14 | jelly-home | hyphenex: as long as you don't ask questions about it here, and are prepared to report and help fix bugs, sure |
| 10:17.21 | ThinkPadx200_Win | I get the config app in kde but when i run compiz i see no effects or anything |
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| 10:18.09 | hyphenex | jelly-home: ok, one more quick question, is it normal for apt-get dist-upgrade to fail in 'unstable'? |
| 10:18.55 | jelly-home | hyphenex: yes, but your question suggests you don't have enough knowledge of the packaging system to be using unstable in the first place |
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| 10:19.31 | hyphenex | that would be correct, I was just looking for a quick way to get a higher version of transmission :P |
| 10:20.28 | jelly-home | judd: versions transmission |
| 10:20.29 | judd | transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1; lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 1.83-2; squeeze: 1.83-2 |
| 10:20.41 | jelly-home | !tell hyphenex about bpo |
| 10:21.30 | hyphenex | so I should have used backports and not unstable hey?? |
| 10:21.31 | hyphenex | dang |
| 10:21.52 | jelly-home | yes, unstable gets your system in a mess |
| 10:22.07 | jelly-home | never mix the two |
| 10:22.42 | hyphenex | ok, I'm going to try the first instruction you gave me to revert back to stable |
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| 10:23.49 | ThinkPadx200_Win | hrm |
| 10:23.52 | jelly-home | hyphenex: depending on the tool you used to install, there'll be helpful logs in /var/log/aptitude or under /var/log/apt/ or /var/log/dpkg.log so you have an idea of what needs downgrading |
| 10:24.06 | hyphenex | Thx jelly-home |
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| 10:26.26 | hyphenex | ahh, stuff this :P I think a re-install would be much easier |
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| 10:29.03 | hyphenex | judd: version asterisk |
| 10:29.04 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 10:29.16 | wols | versionS |
| 10:29.23 | hyphenex | thx :P |
| 10:29.27 | hyphenex | judd: versions asterisk |
| 10:29.28 | judd | asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.0-1; sid: 1:1.6.2.2-1 |
| 10:29.50 | wols | here, no backport is available.which means you need to do your own |
| 10:29.54 | wols | !tell hyphenex about ssb |
| 10:30.37 | hyphenex | hmm, then I'd submit it, right? |
| 10:30.41 | tobago | yesterday i installed debian onto my machine. now i need to install some more packages, but have no access to the internet/ debian archieves. could i install the *.deb packages by mounting the iso (where there are a lot *.deb in pool/main/ ) ? |
| 10:31.18 | tobago | mounting is not he problem. but how to install them by dpkg with dependencies? |
| 10:31.52 | wols | tobago: you can mount the iso and add the iso to your sources.list |
| 10:31.56 | wols | man sources.list |
| 10:32.10 | wols | or, you can use apt-hzip, etc |
| 10:32.11 | tobago | wols, woiiieee. that's awesome. |
| 10:32.37 | wols | what do you need? pppoeconf not workie? |
| 10:33.20 | tobago | wols, right :) |
| 10:33.33 | wols | and why didn't it work? |
| 10:34.06 | tobago | wols, the package is not installed |
| 10:34.33 | wols | get it now from packages.debian.org. also get ppp and pppoe |
| 10:34.37 | wols | that should be all you need |
| 10:34.54 | wols | install them via dpkg -i <filename> |
| 10:35.07 | tobago | wols, those *.deb are on my mounted usb iso as well. |
| 10:35.16 | wols | the install them from there right now |
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| 10:35.30 | tobago | wols, i tried it but it needed other libs to install ppp. |
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| 10:35.48 | tobago | that's whyt i meant with dependencies |
| 10:35.51 | tobago | what |
| 10:36.03 | wols | judd: depends ppp |
| 10:36.04 | judd | ppp -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), netbase, procps |
| 10:36.16 | tobago | judd, right :) |
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| 10:36.25 | wols | ok, pcap might be needed, rest are default libs |
| 10:36.38 | tobago | wols, right |
| 10:37.34 | tobago | is inserts: deb /mnt/pool/main/ to the sources.list |
| 10:37.42 | tobago | s/is/ |
| 10:38.40 | wols | long time since I added debian CDs to sources.list but I doubt that's the way to do it |
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| 10:43.44 | wols | wonders why netisnt doesn't come with ppp anymore |
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| 10:58.40 | Pavlz | hello |
| 10:58.55 | Pavlz | to create i file *.c i used touch |
| 10:59.10 | Pavlz | but i don't remember the syntax |
| 10:59.17 | hyphenex | 'touch SomeFile.c' |
| 10:59.20 | Phasy13 | ;]]] |
| 10:59.21 | Pavlz | it must be for example |
| 10:59.27 | Pavlz | touch pippo.c |
| 10:59.40 | Phasy13 | man touch |
| 10:59.46 | Pavlz | is necessary to specify *.c |
| 10:59.49 | Pavlz | i saw |
| 10:59.51 | Pavlz | thanks |
| 11:00.13 | Pavlz | and then with gcc to write the prg ? |
| 11:00.57 | azeem_ | Pavlz: ? |
| 11:00.59 | maxagaz | how to check on which /dev is assigned my webcam ? |
| 11:01.07 | azeem_ | Pavlz: please explain what you are trying to do |
| 11:01.38 | gothenburg | sön 21 feb 2010 12.01.37 CET |
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| 11:01.57 | Pavlz | gcc -o equ equ.c |
| 11:02.06 | azeem_ | and what is the problem? |
| 11:02.20 | Pavlz | is correct the syntax ? |
| 11:02.26 | Pavlz | i don't remember |
| 11:02.27 | azeem_ | does it work? |
| 11:02.30 | azeem_ | why don't you try |
| 11:02.47 | azeem_ | we cannot review every command a user might want to run beforehand, sorry |
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| 11:03.45 | DimmuR | is there simple way to detect if someone is using my ip address in LAN under debian? |
| 11:05.15 | JPT | hm |
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| 11:05.37 | JPT | if there is an ip collision, you'll notice... |
| 11:06.22 | DimmuR | JPT, i have no access to server and i want to get 100% info ass soon as someone uses my ip (not after disconnecting me from net) |
| 11:06.57 | JPT | hmm |
| 11:08.45 | DimmuR | and i know for sure someone is using my address |
| 11:09.03 | DimmuR | just need to dectect how often, in what hours etc so i could provide info to isp |
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| 11:12.03 | jelly-home | judd: file *duplicate-ip* |
| 11:12.05 | judd | *duplicate-ip* in lenny/i386: ifupdown-extra: etc/network/if-up.d/10check-duplicate-ip |
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| 11:12.40 | jelly-home | DimmuR: I have no idea what that script does, but it sounds related |
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| 11:13.16 | DimmuR | thanks jelly-home i'll check that |
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| 11:14.32 | Pavlz | # gcc -ansi primo.c |
| 11:14.32 | Pavlz | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.2.4/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 11:14.32 | Pavlz | (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main' |
| 11:14.32 | Pavlz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 11:14.45 | DimmuR | i found also: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-duplicate-address-detection-with-arping/ maybye someone can use it in future |
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| 11:15.17 | tobago | which gui is recommended for debian? i guess it's gnome, isn't it? |
| 11:15.42 | tilen | it is |
| 11:16.01 | azeem_ | tobago: there's no official recommendation |
| 11:16.08 | Pavlz | shell told me: |
| 11:16.33 | tobago | azeem_, o.k. which do you use? |
| 11:16.43 | Pavlz | # gcc -ansi primo.c |
| 11:16.43 | Pavlz | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.2.4/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 11:16.43 | DimmuR | i use fvwm-crystal |
| 11:16.47 | azeem_ | I don't see how this is relevant |
| 11:16.55 | DimmuR | Pavlz, use some paster |
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| 11:17.15 | Pavlz | i don't know paster |
| 11:17.42 | azeem_ | !paste |
| 11:17.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 11:18.08 | jelly-home | tobago: gnome is just the installation default, use whatever you like. |
| 11:18.21 | Pavlz | thanks |
| 11:18.22 | deadbeef | hello guys, i'm experiencing this gcj problem on both squeeze and sid, can anyone fix please? http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-gcc/278927-bug-555801-gcj-creates-dummy-variables.html |
| 11:18.37 | tobago | jelly-home, what do you think of UDE? |
| 11:18.46 | deadbeef | it sucks since i can't compile applications with gcj because of this |
| 11:18.58 | jelly-home | tobago: no idea what it is |
| 11:19.04 | azeem_ | tobago: this is not a poll/opinion channel |
| 11:19.19 | Rirto6 | #poll |
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| 11:19.33 | tobago | azeem_, sorry. |
| 11:19.42 | tobago | shuts up |
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| 11:38.01 | mypapit | fakap e-jat |
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| 11:39.13 | bittin | Hello, somonee here has compiled a newer wmii for their debian system? |
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| 11:44.51 | stuckey | How do I get the java jre plugin for firefox? |
| 11:45.09 | stuckey | Or, Java Runtime Environment |
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| 11:45.51 | nsadmin | not sure maybe dpkg knows |
| 11:45.54 | nsadmin | !install java |
| 11:45.54 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 11:46.38 | nsadmin | !factinfo install java |
| 11:46.38 | dpkg | install java -- last modified at Mon Aug 31 11:52:31 2009 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 524 times, last by nsadmin, 44s ago. |
| 11:46.56 | nsadmin | that seems pretty recent |
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| 11:47.09 | jelly-home | !java plugin |
| 11:47.10 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 11:47.49 | jelly-home | stuckey: so, enable non-free and get sun-java6-plugin |
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| 11:48.30 | jelly-home | stuckey: what do you need the plugin for? |
| 11:48.44 | azeem_ | eh, the plugin in main should be just fine |
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| 11:49.48 | jelly-home | azeem_: except for almost any commercial applet I tend to use at work |
| 11:49.59 | jelly-home | mostly remote mgt stuff |
| 11:51.21 | gothenburg | booo |
| 11:51.35 | bittin | ohai |
| 11:51.43 | nsadmin | a gggghost! |
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| 11:54.55 | tobago | that's how my sources.list looks like: http://gist.github.com/310279 , doing "apt-get update", i can't find postgres in the repos of debian? |
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| 11:55.18 | jelly-home | tobago: how are you searching for it? |
| 11:55.30 | nsadmin | judd versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 11:55.32 | judd | postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.9-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.3.9-1 |
| 11:55.38 | tobago | jelly, aptitude search postgres |
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| 11:55.51 | tobago | jelly-home, , aptitude search postgres |
| 11:56.19 | wols | tobago: that shows plenty of hits here |
| 11:56.36 | jelly-home | that ought to return quite a number of results, tobago. Have you done an aptitude update recently (or ever)? |
| 11:56.56 | jelly-home | oh, you have |
| 11:56.58 | tobago | jelly-home, mmh. no i only did a apt-get update |
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| 11:57.18 | nsadmin | that should work for apt-cache search |
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| 11:57.31 | nsadmin | what postgres do you want? |
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| 11:57.48 | tobago | nsadmin, postgres8.3 is alright |
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| 11:58.04 | wols | tobago: grep -r postgres /var/cache/apt/* |
| 11:58.10 | tobago | tries again... |
| 11:58.10 | bittin | judd: versions wmii |
| 11:58.13 | judd | wmii -- etch: 3.1-5; lenny: 3.6+debian-4; sid: 3.6+debian-7; squeeze: 3.6+debian-7 |
| 11:58.14 | wols | and postgresql-8.3 is in main |
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| 11:59.00 | nsadmin | so, install that one (postgresql-8.3) and you probably also need postgresql-clients-8.3 |
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| 11:59.35 | nsadmin | note that major versions can coexist now, due to postgresql-common |
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| 11:59.46 | jelly-home | or just install postgresql? |
| 12:00.25 | nsadmin | usually you want a specific version... unless all you're doing is learning any sql |
| 12:00.28 | bittin | somone know why i got a white menubar when compiled latest wmii in Debian? |
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| 12:03.26 | nsadmin | seems no one is ready for 8.4 yet |
| 12:03.42 | nsadmin | judd versions postgresql-8.4 |
| 12:03.43 | judd | postgresql-8.4 -- lenny-backports: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.2-2; squeeze: 8.4.2-2 |
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| 12:04.03 | nsadmin | so it -is- in :) |
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| 12:07.24 | jelly-home | in bpo? in your face? |
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| 12:09.14 | rasca1001 | when installing debian lenny, can you skip the 'erasing hard disk' part? |
| 12:09.25 | nsadmin | ok, trying to do the dist-upgrade failed due to disk space during download... so, is it possible to do the following.... given a list of package names, produce two lists output, one package names whose packages are uptodate, two, package names whose package names are going to be upgraded |
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| 12:10.30 | nsadmin | rasca1001: you can probably tell the partitioner to not format partitions |
| 12:10.33 | jelly-home | nsadmin: why do you need it? |
| 12:10.49 | nsadmin | because /var is full of packages |
| 12:11.07 | nsadmin | and I want to rm just the uptodate ones |
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| 12:11.22 | jelly-home | nsadmin: move the cache someplace else temporarily someplace else (and symlink it)? |
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| 12:11.34 | jelly-home | redundant line is redundant |
| 12:12.12 | nsadmin | well I could do that or expand the partition it's in |
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| 12:13.06 | nsadmin | lvm all the bay baybee :) |
| 12:13.24 | nsadmin | but can it be done without doing so? |
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| 12:14.34 | nsadmin | and the answer should be yes if I can intersect the list of uptodate packages with the list of packages whose files are in /var/cache/apt/archive and remove those |
| 12:14.37 | hile | mv /var/cache/apt/archives /home && ln -s /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:14.46 | hile | works just fine |
| 12:15.01 | nsadmin | I'm aware :P |
| 12:15.08 | jelly-home | nsadmin: KISS |
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| 12:15.27 | jelly-home | next question, please! |
| 12:15.30 | nsadmin | the question is which would be simpler |
| 12:15.45 | nsadmin | and the answer isn't always so clear |
| 12:15.47 | darkskiez | anyone running sid with firefox? quick check to see if a bug isnt just me.. |
| 12:15.56 | jelly-home | nsadmin: the one you know how to do is always simpler than the one you don't know how to do |
| 12:16.19 | nsadmin | but the result wouldn't be so simple |
| 12:16.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin: ? after the upgrade, clean the cache and ptu it back |
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| 12:17.05 | hile | if you want simple, run apt-get clean && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:17.25 | nsadmin | why would I be asking if I wanted to do that? |
| 12:17.40 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I suppose you've already done an autoclean to get rid of obsolete packages there? |
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| 12:18.04 | bittin | http://bittin.linuxuser.se/wmiifailcompile.png |
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| 12:18.37 | bittin | http://bittin.linuxuser.se/wmiifailcompile.png :( |
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| 12:19.25 | jelly-home | !tell bittin about repeat |
| 12:19.29 | TLF | hello |
| 12:19.35 | gothenburg | bittin: så det så |
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| 12:19.37 | TLF | some years ago, in the times of XFree I can have (for example) a 640x480 while having a 1024x768 desktop, so when you moved the mouse around the screen, the desktop would move |
| 12:19.44 | TLF | It's there a way of doing this on xorg |
| 12:19.46 | TLF | ? |
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| 12:20.04 | nsadmin | right now you two are doing two things: you're assuming I'm not aware of these solutions and you're assuming I'm considering these other solutions... for the former, YES i DO have a clue... for the latter, the solution I'd like to apply is the one I'm describing |
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| 12:20.32 | cahoot | TLF: tried setting DisplaySize larger? |
| 12:20.35 | jelly-home | bittin: that screenshot doesn't really show anything related to compilation |
| 12:20.46 | TLF | cahoot: nope, let me check :) |
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| 12:21.17 | bittin | jelly-home: do the picture work tough |
| 12:21.49 | jelly-home | bittin: it shows up, yes |
| 12:22.06 | jelly-home | at least it did a minute ago |
| 12:22.06 | hile | nsadmin, in plain language you would like to get a which would continuously calculate deps, install and configure some packages, remove their deps and download, repeat until all upgrades are there |
| 12:22.36 | nsadmin | no, that's not what I want to do |
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| 12:22.57 | nsadmin | well I had that idea 10 years ago |
| 12:23.05 | hile | you want upgrade which does not use much of archives space? that's the solution |
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| 12:23.32 | nsadmin | but what I actually want to do is get that list |
| 12:23.51 | nsadmin | hile: but that doesn't exist |
| 12:23.56 | hile | which list? |
| 12:24.02 | jelly-home | nsadmin: we're goal oriented! |
| 12:25.00 | nsadmin | ahh, interesting. so what's your goal? |
| 12:25.18 | hile | personally, waiting for winter holiday :) |
| 12:25.25 | jelly-home | nsadmin: we assumed your goal was the one you stated, ie. finished the dist-upgrade |
| 12:25.29 | jelly-home | finishing* |
| 12:25.42 | nsadmin | right, that is the ultimate goal |
| 12:26.02 | jelly-home | so the path you choose to get there isn't relevant |
| 12:26.09 | nsadmin | sure it is |
| 12:26.12 | hile | actually, nsadmin, you would _need_ what I propose if there is not enough space in archives for all packages to upgrade (form example, 1.5GB) |
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| 12:26.37 | jelly-home | nsadmin: that clashes with your supposed goal! :-) |
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| 12:27.11 | nsadmin | hile: or, what I proposed (and another piece) around the time apt-get was just starting to see use |
| 12:27.40 | hile | there are two multiple cases, "not enough space in archives to download dist-upgrade" and "oh I have not ran apt-get clean now it's full and I don't want to redownload after apt-get clean" |
| 12:28.00 | hile | two multiple, I need more coffee.... |
| 12:28.17 | jelly-home | nsadmin: there's probably some aptitude search command to create the lists; failing that, you can use apt-cache policy foo output for each package foo |
| 12:28.28 | nsadmin | jelly-home: wait, so you're thinking that if I remove the packages that need upgrading, I'd have to download them anyway... and what I actually want to remove is the complement of that list |
| 12:29.01 | nsadmin | which should be the packages that were already upgraded (see... I followed the release notes: |
| 12:29.05 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I'm thinking you could have moved the cache to a spacier partition by now instead of arguing |
| 12:29.30 | nsadmin | and I could have added 10g to /var in much less time |
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| 12:29.36 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 12:30.01 | jelly-home | it must be Sunday! |
| 12:30.08 | nsadmin | it is sunday |
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| 12:30.19 | hile | so, second day of working week :) |
| 12:30.22 | liable | not in NZ.. |
| 12:30.42 | nsadmin | monday or saturday? |
| 12:30.49 | liable | monday |
| 12:31.20 | hile | here in middle east working week is sat-wed or sun-thu |
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| 12:33.05 | hile | I have to say, it _would_ be nice if apt would be smart enough to try to do dist-upgrade in multiple runs, if /var is not big enough |
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| 12:33.29 | nsadmin | as you can see, no one listens to me :P |
| 12:33.34 | hile | :) |
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| 12:33.54 | encrypt | Is there a way to grab RRDTOOL graphs totals? For example, Id like to get the total from some graphs to make bandwidth billing.. |
| 12:34.00 | nader_ | HI, any shell account for web browsing? |
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| 12:34.26 | nsadmin | if they did, (1) you'd have that, and (2) you'd be able to tell how much space would be taken up in each of -your- partitions as you've defined them |
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| 12:35.43 | jelly-home | nsadmin: aptitude autoclean wipes the cache from packages that are not available in any configured repo |
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| 12:36.10 | nsadmin | I already apt-get cleanded before I did any of this |
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| 12:36.19 | nsadmin | so that would be a no-op |
| 12:36.45 | krion | hi |
| 12:37.00 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I mean, you could have done it at the moment you got out of space |
| 12:37.37 | nsadmin | true... but I did it beforehand' |
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| 12:38.08 | nsadmin | well you're saying autoclean, I'm saying I just got rid of all the packages (clean) |
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| 12:40.19 | jelly-home | oh, right |
| 12:41.04 | nsadmin | so autoclean, say, now, would be a no-op (unfortunately) |
| 12:41.46 | nsadmin | maybe what I'm proposing ought to be part of autoclean |
| 12:43.01 | nsadmin | so then it would (1) get rid of packages not in any configured repo and (2) get rid of packages that are up to date according to all configured repos |
| 12:43.31 | nsadmin | wait, autoclean does what, rm package files? |
| 12:43.51 | gothenburg | :D |
| 12:43.52 | nsadmin | or actually removes packages? |
| 12:45.02 | nsadmin | does uniq have an "at least two identical lines outputs one line"? |
| 12:45.29 | nsadmin | ahh, it does, -d |
| 12:46.08 | nsadmin | so I've got my intersect |
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| 12:48.43 | nsadmin | and running this... |
| 12:48.47 | nsadmin | ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep _ | cut -f 1 -d _ | sort | uniq |
| 12:49.20 | nsadmin | I know there are only one package file of each package |
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| 12:57.56 | nsadmin | ok howbout this... I want to compare by installed version... I want to get a list of all installed packages together with their version number (like packagename version) |
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| 13:00.24 | wols | nsadmin: dpkg -l |
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| 13:02.40 | nsadmin | hmm, now that's interesting, I thought I cleaned it before... evidently I didn't |
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| 13:03.47 | EugenMayer | hello. Iam currently trying to remove a identity using ssh-add -d privkey |
| 13:03.48 | nsadmin | and autoclean won't work if there's no space in /var |
| 13:04.01 | EugenMayer | but eventhough i get a positive response.. ssh-add -L |
| 13:04.09 | EugenMayer | shows me the identity is still valid |
| 13:04.22 | nsadmin | EugenMayer: remove it from what? |
| 13:04.31 | EugenMayer | from the ssh-agent? |
| 13:04.48 | nsadmin | oh ok, I thought you wanted to get rid of the key entirely |
| 13:05.03 | nsadmin | like revoke it and delete it |
| 13:05.20 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: its about that mechanisum that automatically provides a key to the system, when a ssh connection is tried to be established. You wont need to enter the passphrase then |
| 13:05.42 | nsadmin | yes I understand |
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| 13:06.11 | nsadmin | which agent is it? the one X runs under? |
| 13:06.37 | EugenMayer | yes |
| 13:06.50 | EugenMayer | anyway iam under a shell right now..iam confused about that anyway |
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| 13:07.45 | nsadmin | interpreted as a list of paths to public key files |
| 13:07.51 | nsadmin | (from man page) |
| 13:08.07 | EugenMayer | thats what i did |
| 13:08.10 | EugenMayer | i even tried |
| 13:08.21 | EugenMayer | ssh-add -d ~/.ssh/* |
| 13:08.27 | nsadmin | you said "privkey" tho |
| 13:08.33 | EugenMayer | hmm |
| 13:08.42 | nsadmin | try ssh-add -d |
| 13:08.45 | nsadmin | or -D |
| 13:08.49 | EugenMayer | not working. |
| 13:09.05 | EugenMayer | -D is what i tried fist .. did not remove any |
| 13:09.08 | nsadmin | looks like you want to remove them all |
| 13:09.16 | EugenMayer | ssh-add -D |
| 13:09.16 | EugenMayer | All identities removed. |
| 13:09.27 | nsadmin | are you sure you're hitting the correct agent? |
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| 13:09.54 | nsadmin | there should be one unless you or somethign fired up another agent |
| 13:10.04 | EugenMayer | well i have _no idea_ how mayn agents there are :/ |
| 13:10.44 | nsadmin | Branden Robinson arranged the X packages so that there would be an ssh agent which runs the x server |
| 13:11.32 | nsadmin | and you didn't start an agent yourself? |
| 13:11.48 | EugenMayer | wait a second |
| 13:12.17 | EugenMayer | (that client is a ubuntu right now..dont flame me..sometimes you can chose. Iam using debian only in normal cases) |
| 13:12.33 | EugenMayer | (guess thats why i dont know what is running and not....Ubuntu) |
| 13:13.01 | nsadmin | so you didn't start your own agent at any time? |
| 13:13.11 | EugenMayer | i killed them all right now |
| 13:13.22 | nsadmin | did that kill X? |
| 13:13.44 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: hmm one is still running |
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| 13:13.58 | EugenMayer | eugen 2944 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Zs 09:39 0:00 [ssh-agent] <defunct> |
| 13:14.15 | nsadmin | maybe you have to restart X now |
| 13:14.23 | EugenMayer | holy? :) |
| 13:14.35 | EugenMayer | "please reboot your computer times are back" :) |
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| 13:15.14 | nsadmin | if you go around killing things without knowing what the effect is going to be, likely you'll be rebooting quite a lot... |
| 13:15.27 | nsadmin | or restarting things |
| 13:15.30 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: it's just a zombie, ignore it |
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| 13:15.50 | nsadmin | but now you don't have any agent X is under |
| 13:16.27 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: ah. Well all i want is to remove all identities to get promted for passphrases again. In the end i just want to connect to a server using a specific identity (and as its the gitolite installation..i cant provide the key using -i ) |
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| 13:17.26 | nsadmin | perhaps that would get you your desired effect, but now you'd have to restart x to get the behavior you had before (ssh in, run an x client on remote, displays on local x server) |
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| 13:18.39 | EugenMayer | ssh-agent -k .. echo Agent pid 2944 killed; |
| 13:18.45 | giuppy | h |
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| 13:19.02 | EugenMayer | but ps aux still shows the process and in the end.. i still have those identities being valid |
| 13:19.35 | EugenMayer | i dont get this "x mode" right now, can you explain a bit nsadmin |
| 13:19.36 | nsadmin | so as you complain about whether you'd have to reboot, remember that NO ONE said to kill anything |
| 13:20.27 | nsadmin | have you ever run an ssh-agent yourself? |
| 13:20.34 | EugenMayer | i guess there are 2 ways of having a identity. One is running ssh-agent in the shell and having a shell eviroment using a different ssh-agent where you can add "other" identities. The other way is having that x-client which asks you for the passphrase once and adds this key to the current sesstion then? |
| 13:20.43 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: no. |
| 13:21.02 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: well iam not blaming me. Its all my fault anway :) |
| 13:23.31 | nsadmin | it boils down to one way... first, pull up a shell and run man ssh-agent |
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| 13:23.56 | nsadmin | notice that one optional form is with a command |
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| 13:26.05 | EugenMayer | hmm its seems like some other agent is used all the time |
| 13:26.19 | EugenMayer | eventhough i run ssh-agent -s |
| 13:26.25 | EugenMayer | and then ssh-add -L |
| 13:26.37 | EugenMayer | i still have plenty identities without adding one in that shell |
| 13:27.55 | rgr | restarting x does not necessarily restart the user agent |
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| 13:28.20 | EugenMayer | i did not restart x |
| 13:28.23 | EugenMayer | but i will do so now |
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| 13:28.32 | jelly-home | rgr: it should, it's started from Xsession |
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| 13:29.08 | rgr | but not killed afaik. I use it and dont think I relogin when I restart. will check later. |
| 13:29.35 | nsadmin | right, if not killed, you end up with more and more agents when you restart? |
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| 13:30.26 | nsadmin | btw I'm noticing I can't explain stuff to this guy, he's not communicating back |
| 13:30.28 | rgr | depends on how oyu start it. I use : |
| 13:30.32 | rgr | keychain --quiet |
| 13:30.33 | rgr | source $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh-gpg > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 13:30.55 | rgr | so that the env is set correctly (bash_env) |
| 13:31.02 | rgr | (debian) |
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| 13:32.02 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: restarted the computer..gone into the shell, used ssh-add -D |
| 13:32.12 | EugenMayer | but ssh-add -L still shows all identitie |
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| 13:32.24 | nsadmin | you rebooted?? |
| 13:32.35 | EugenMayer | yes |
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| 13:33.52 | nsadmin | do the keys represented by the identities not have passphrases/blank passphrases |
| 13:33.54 | nsadmin | ? |
| 13:34.09 | bittin_ | do this package work http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/wmii-hg_hg2550_i386.deb |
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| 13:34.29 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 13:34.37 | Pinchiukas | How can I find out what packages go into the "standard system" group when installing? |
| 13:34.47 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: they normaly have passphrases |
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| 13:35.15 | nsadmin | then the agent is on some other machine? |
| 13:35.33 | nsadmin | I have no idea what's going on |
| 13:35.42 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can give me the output of "aptitude search ~pstandard"? |
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| 13:35.58 | EugenMayer | nsadmin: same here. |
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| 13:36.56 | wols | Pinchiukas: man tasksel |
| 13:37.12 | Pinchiukas | wols: I don't have where to do that. |
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| 13:37.22 | nsadmin | "standard system" is all standard, all important, all required |
| 13:37.29 | wols | Pinchiukas: english please? |
| 13:37.38 | Pinchiukas | I don't have a running debian system. |
| 13:37.45 | Pinchiukas | I want to see the list. |
| 13:38.23 | wols | Pinchiukas: what do you think "standard system" is? |
| 13:38.35 | Pinchiukas | Some ambiguous term. |
| 13:38.49 | wols | you brought it up, you define it |
| 13:39.04 | Pinchiukas | I didn't define it. |
| 13:39.08 | Pinchiukas | It's in the setup. |
| 13:39.09 | nsadmin | packages are all one of: required important standard optional extra |
| 13:39.13 | wols | < Pinchiukas> How can I find out what packages go into the "standard system" group when installing? |
| 13:39.26 | rgr | seems clear to me : standard desktop install. Its an installer option isnt it? |
| 13:39.47 | Pinchiukas | "Desktop environment" is another option. |
| 13:39.48 | wols | Pinchiukas: where in the install? my taskel doesn't know about it |
| 13:39.55 | tobago | i would like to add a windowmanager to my debian (it only offers a console to me). that is why i installed xfce (is xorg is installed as well). bit how to conf the xorg for starting xfce? |
| 13:40.07 | nsadmin | The Standard System is all packages in required important standard |
| 13:40.10 | rgr | tobago: install gdm |
| 13:40.36 | wols | tobago: for xfce, xdm would probably be more approriate |
| 13:40.39 | wols | rgr: why gdm? |
| 13:40.47 | rgr | why not? |
| 13:40.59 | wols | cause it drags in a ton of gnome? |
| 13:41.04 | rgr | but yes, "you haea choice" |
| 13:41.15 | rgr | have a |
| 13:41.17 | tobago | rgr, don't want gdm. my ubuntu is already gnome. my debian shall be a xfce |
| 13:41.37 | rgr | gd is not == gnome |
| 13:41.39 | rgr | gdm |
| 13:41.56 | tobago | GNOME Display Manager |
| 13:42.06 | wols | rgr: reading is not your forte? |
| 13:42.13 | nsadmin | which as suggested might pull in part of gnome |
| 13:42.35 | rgr | wols: wrong side of bed? You can configure gdm to boot any WM/DE whatever. |
| 13:42.51 | Pinchiukas | He doesn't want to pull Gnome ffs. |
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| 13:42.58 | wols | rgr: changing the point? nice try |
| 13:43.01 | tobago | rgr, please calm. wols is always a nice guy. |
| 13:43.03 | nsadmin | !depends gdm |
| 13:43.08 | wols | tobago: I am not |
| 13:43.13 | jelly-home | tobago: gdm is nice and doesn't depend on a lot of gnome stuff |
| 13:43.18 | tobago | wols, sorry: bastard! ;) |
| 13:43.20 | Flashtek | q: is it valid for me to generate /etc/network/interfaces without a network line ?? |
| 13:43.21 | rgr | wols is full of himseld. |
| 13:43.32 | rgr | I use gdm with various and its easy to configure. |
| 13:43.38 | jelly-home | uses gdm with xfce |
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| 13:43.41 | dpkg | gdm: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.26.0), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), ... |
| 13:43.50 | nsadmin | except when he's not himself, then he's full of someone else! |
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| 13:43.58 | rgr | heh heh |
| 13:44.00 | Pinchiukas | Jacob! |
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| 13:44.37 | rgr | but my recommendation stands. gdm is stable, easy to configure. So what if it pulls in a few gnome libraries. others such as xdm are pants. |
| 13:44.50 | jelly-home | agrees with pants |
| 13:45.08 | jelly-home | however thought pants were good |
| 13:45.11 | Pinchiukas | Describe in no more than 10 words, why you think pants are important. |
| 13:45.24 | tobago | wols, jelly-home, which is to be preferred? xdm or gdm? |
| 13:45.34 | Flashtek | Pinchiukas: depends on which version of pants you're referring to.. |
| 13:45.34 | wols | !tell tobago about better |
| 13:45.37 | rgr | wols: so next time hold with the smart arse insults and try reading whats being said and not think everything is a conspiracy against your mighty seld. Cheers. |
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| 13:45.40 | tobago | lol |
| 13:45.47 | jelly-home | tobago: I find xdm ugly. |
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| 13:45.52 | rgr | xdm is ugly as sin |
| 13:45.56 | wols | rgr: you're a great tardsday example |
| 13:46.04 | tobago | lol |
| 13:46.23 | rgr | wols: yet my recommendation stands. so basicallyif you have something constructive to say please do. |
| 13:46.38 | jelly-home | judd: provides x-display-manager |
| 13:46.39 | judd | Cannot find the package x-display-manager in lenny/i386. |
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| 13:46.47 | jelly-home | judd: rprovides x-display-manager |
| 13:46.53 | jelly-home | judd: whatprovides x-display-manager |
| 13:46.58 | judd | x-display-manager in lenny/i386 is provided by: gdm, kdm, slim, wdm, xdm. |
| 13:47.03 | jelly-home | phew! |
| 13:47.19 | jelly-home | tobago: choose whichever you like, try them all! :-D |
| 13:47.29 | Flashtek | q: is it valid for me to generate /etc/network/interfaces without a network line ?? I have an embedded system and I can get most of the config from udhcpc and use it to populate interfaces.. however the network section is not present... |
| 13:47.42 | rgr | I tried them all and gdm is hands down the best for my usage. |
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| 13:48.03 | tobago | jelly-home, i won't try. i guess i decided to use xdm. i never saw it... |
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| 13:48.26 | wols | tobago: wdm is pretty light too. and prettier than xdm iirc |
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| 13:49.14 | wols | Flashtek: "network" is a setting you don't need |
| 13:49.21 | Flashtek | wols: thanks.. |
| 13:49.29 | tobago | wols, i thought about xdm because ubuntu provides an "x"-distro too. |
| 13:49.32 | wols | Flashtek: next time: man interfaces |
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| 13:49.55 | shahri | http://www.algonet.se/~afb/fedora/wdm-fedora-login.jpg <- wdm? |
| 13:50.01 | Flashtek | wols: I looked.. but several systems I have as legacy systems include the network stanza.. |
| 13:50.11 | shahri | xdm (as I have configured it, at least) is a million times prettier than that |
| 13:50.18 | Flashtek | wols: thanks for the pointer though |
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| 13:50.39 | rgr | xdm can never be described as prettier than anything. Its horrible. |
| 13:51.01 | shahri | o_O |
| 13:51.06 | shahri | then you're doing it wrong |
| 13:51.20 | wols | shahri: but wdm has one important feature: WM selection |
| 13:51.48 | rgr | as does gdm and locale selectionand user lists (should you want them). |
| 13:51.48 | shahri | well, yeah; if I wanted that, I'd use gdm or some other bloated dm |
| 13:52.02 | nsadmin | broke down and added 2g to /var |
| 13:52.12 | rgr | bloated is such an over used word. All it does is marshall the start up scripts. |
| 13:52.16 | shahri | hmm, does slim have WM selection? |
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| 13:52.34 | shahri | because slim is nice too |
| 13:53.06 | encrypt | Is there a way to grab RRD graphs totals? For example, Id like to get the total from some graphs to make bandwidth billing.. for example totals in a month for the 95th |
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| 13:54.05 | rgr | also gdm handlex xdmcp for remote logins better afaik |
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| 13:54.28 | nsadmin | !info slim |
| 13:54.37 | dpkg | slim: (desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 792 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
| 13:55.28 | nsadmin | does it do xdmcp at all? |
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| 13:56.45 | yuastnav | How do I tell apt that it should fetch Packages.gz and Packages.bzip2 instead of the Packages file when doing an apt-get update? |
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| 13:59.24 | wols | Packages.gz is the packages file... |
| 14:00.16 | tobago | rgr, to me that doesn't look ugly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Display_Manager_%28implementation%29 pretty pure look. |
| 14:00.34 | yuastnav | Every time I do an apt-get update I get this error: W: Konnte http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages nicht holen 404 Not Found |
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| 14:01.14 | yuastnav | My assumption was that it tries to download the Pacakges file, which is obviously not there, instead of Packages.bzip2 and Packages.gz and I don't know why it does that. |
| 14:01.18 | shahri | tobago: nah, the pseudo-3D borders suck imo; I disabled those |
| 14:01.21 | shahri | and I have a nicer background |
| 14:01.28 | shahri | and I replaced the grey by white |
| 14:01.40 | shahri | and removed the italic text at the top |
| 14:01.44 | shahri | and _then_ it's pretty |
| 14:01.47 | shahri | (and pure) |
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| 14:02.18 | wols | yuastnav: what is your sources.list entry? |
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| 14:03.26 | yuastnav | wols: http://paste.debian.net/60775/ |
| 14:03.48 | tobago | shahri, is xdm really the best performing wm in terms of resources? |
| 14:04.17 | jelly-home | xdm isn't a wm, tobago |
| 14:04.27 | shahri | he meant dm, obviously |
| 14:04.40 | shahri | anyway, no idea @ resources |
| 14:04.51 | Selveste1_ | Hey :) is there a clever way to make an dir called public_html in all users home dir, when they a maked ? and set chmod to 751 on /home/$user and /home/$user/public_html ? |
| 14:04.52 | shahri | slim could be slimmer |
| 14:04.59 | jelly-home | I don't know what he meant, since dm is only relevant before one logs in |
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| 14:05.16 | shahri | yup |
| 14:05.27 | tobago | ah o.k. didn't know it. |
| 14:05.56 | nsadmin | it also offers remote graphical login |
| 14:06.11 | nsadmin | if it does xdmcp |
| 14:06.16 | wols | yuastnav: looks find. try ftp2.de? |
| 14:06.31 | yuastnav | I did, same error. |
| 14:07.03 | yuastnav | No, wait. It says 403 Response Denied |
| 14:07.05 | rgr | actually not obvio9usly. People mix up wm/dm and de all the time. |
| 14:07.09 | yuastnav | Instead of 404 Not Found :) |
| 14:07.23 | wols | Selveste1_: /etc/skel |
| 14:07.54 | wols | yuastnav: /msg dpkg mirrors chose one |
| 14:08.10 | nsadmin | Selveste1_ you'll probably need 755 on /home/user and, you can put the dir in /etc/skel |
| 14:08.16 | Waxhead | I am playing around with btrfs in debian squeeze. Trying to mount a multidevice (raid0) in a init.d scripts fails - however running the same script as root works perfectly. http://www.pastebin.ca/1804633 - what am I missing (except from my brains) ? |
| 14:08.25 | yuastnav | Hmm, if that's the only way... |
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| 14:08.33 | yuastnav | Well, thanks for the help wols. :) |
| 14:08.48 | rgr | the dm can be used to configure the de and wm used. but then the de can also be used to configure the wm. e.g I use gdm to login in to the gnome DE but it then exports its window-manager setting as xmonad. |
| 14:09.07 | Selveste1_ | nsadmin: I have tested with 751 on the home and apache can still access to public_html dir .... so way have 755 on it ? |
| 14:09.35 | nsadmin | oh ok, try that then |
| 14:10.28 | nsadmin | btrw another way is tio write a scruipt that you run on each user |
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| 14:11.25 | Selveste1_ | nsadmin: If I have 755 on all users have r access to home right, if I only have 751 users have execute rights but not read that must be a secure way to handle user-data right.? |
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| 14:12.20 | Selveste1_ | nsadmin: If skel can do the job thats the way I will handle it, cause my smbldap-tool uses skel to create new users. |
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| 14:18.39 | nsadmin | with x perms on a dir you can use items if you know thier name but you cannot listthem |
| 14:18.57 | nsadmin | unless you also have r |
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| 14:21.33 | _tux | hi peeps, i use the latest debian with no GUI along with a wlan |
| 14:21.44 | _tux | encrypted with wpa2 |
| 14:21.59 | _tux | upon boot i get problems |
| 14:22.24 | _tux | and the attempt with restarting the interfaces i get the following output |
| 14:22.31 | _tux | Reconfiguring network interfaces...cat: /sys/module/p80211/parameters/wlan_wext_write: No such file or directory |
| 14:22.31 | _tux | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface wlan0 before doing NFS mounts (warning) |
| 14:22.31 | _tux | FATAL: Module p80211 not found. |
| 14:22.31 | _tux | Failed to load p80211.ko. |
| 14:22.31 | _tux | run-parts: /etc/netwok/if-pre-up.d/linux-wlan-ng-pre-up exited with return code 1 |
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| 14:23.29 | _lsr | evening/morning. can someone help, I can't remember, when I add a CRON job with crontab -e, does it mean it adds it as my current logged in user or root? do I need to add myself to /etc/security/allow.conf or root? |
| 14:23.34 | _tux | sorry i get the following |
| 14:23.34 | _tux | http://www.pastebin.com/m1dc8b38 |
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| 14:24.05 | nsadmin | the facts you state (755 means others have read and execute, 751 means execute only) are correct. "secure" is kinda subjective, and so it depends on what you're insecure abouta dn exactly what you're protecting agains |
| 14:24.10 | nsadmin | t |
| 14:24.24 | _tux | but when i enter the following command: wpa_supplicant -D wext -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:24.34 | _tux | i get into my wlan |
| 14:24.39 | _tux | and get an ip address |
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| 14:25.39 | nsadmin | tux maybe somethign is now initialized properly that wasn't at boot when the script ran that |
| 14:26.08 | _tux | where do i have to look for that? |
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| 14:26.28 | nsadmin | or maybe it either fails to run wpa_supplicant, or runs it differently |
| 14:26.58 | _tux | is kinda wierd |
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| 14:27.19 | _tux | i have to put that command line somewhere. |
| 14:27.21 | _tux | but wher? |
| 14:27.23 | _tux | where? |
| 14:27.44 | nsadmin | I'd say /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:28.11 | nsadmin | as a pre up |
| 14:28.26 | wols | nsadmin: bingo (network-manager and such can do it too if one wants to) |
| 14:28.36 | nsadmin | actually dunno about pre up |
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| 14:28.56 | nsadmin | you're saying that command gets you up totally? |
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| 14:29.35 | _tux | well i can ping the wlan0 interface from another computer |
| 14:29.49 | _tux | and shows up in the ip scans |
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| 14:33.35 | herbero | ugh, I have a confusing issue I need help with. I lost a hd in my RAID array, so I bought a new one and replaced it. Unfortunately, I could not boot anymore so...I used a Lenny livecd, but it mounted /dev/md0 (recovered RAID) on /. I am trying to copy all of my data to a new hd, and I can't find my /home...can anyone direct me to how to find my data soi can copy it? |
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| 14:35.25 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 14:37.13 | herbero | hi |
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| 14:39.51 | leejongwook | i made a creepy script for Debian. it works fine with my Lenny. |
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| 14:40.12 | leejongwook | http://pastebin.com/m2f5ea9b1 <--- this does ---> http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-use-downloaded-isos-as-a-repository-in-debian.html |
| 14:40.42 | leejongwook | wanted to share, if it's works on yours... |
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| 14:41.22 | leejongwook | tested a lot :) it's for newbie like me @_@ |
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| 14:42.57 | leejongwook | x_x seems all experts... |
| 14:43.28 | wols | not everyone has the same problems as you. tobago might want to use it however |
| 14:43.50 | leejongwook | x_x |
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| 14:44.04 | leejongwook | tobago ? |
| 14:44.22 | tobago | leejongwook, what? |
| 14:44.32 | leejongwook | nothing..:P |
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| 14:49.41 | leejongwook | :( |
| 14:49.54 | leejongwook | disappointed to #debian |
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| 14:54.58 | SimManiac | guys |
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| 14:55.23 | SimManiac | i can't find a document that explains how you can use sid packages in a testing system |
| 14:55.34 | SimManiac | having testing as the "preferred" distro |
| 14:55.41 | SimManiac | do you have any pointer? |
| 14:55.44 | jelly-home | heh, You are trying to save a python file as non ASCII, without specifiying a correct source encoding line for encoding "utf-8" |
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| 14:55.51 | wols | SimManiac: you can't if you value your install |
| 14:55.56 | wols | !tell SimManiac about ssb |
| 14:56.06 | SimManiac | wols: i just want 2 packages |
| 14:56.09 | jelly-home | !tell SimManiac about pinning |
| 14:56.14 | jelly-home | SimManiac: which ones? |
| 14:56.16 | SimManiac | and i'll first check dependencies ;) |
| 14:56.19 | SimManiac | wine-unstable |
| 14:56.23 | TMM | anyone happen to know if there's a firefox/iceweasel 3.6 somewhere for sid? Is it in experimental perhaps? |
| 14:56.24 | SimManiac | and libwine-unstable |
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| 14:56.38 | jelly-home | SimManiac: and all the other libwine* too |
| 14:56.43 | wols | ,versions iceweasel |
| 14:56.44 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.6-2; sid: 3.5.8-1 |
| 14:56.46 | Selveste1_ | nsadmin: sorry for long answering time... if I have 751 on home and 755 on public_html, then apache can list the folder content in public_html, but everybody else can see what the content of home is unless the have the hole name of something; is that correctly understood? |
| 14:57.02 | TMM | wols: thanks :) |
| 14:57.07 | Selveste1_ | *can't |
| 14:57.21 | SimManiac | yes, i knew about apt-prefecences |
| 14:57.27 | SimManiac | but there isn't a way to tell the system |
| 14:57.36 | SimManiac | that testing is the "main "distribution |
| 14:57.38 | SimManiac | i apt.conf.d |
| 14:57.45 | SimManiac | dpkg::distribtion |
| 14:57.46 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, SimManiac |
| 14:57.54 | dvs | SimManiac: yes, it's called pinning |
| 14:57.55 | SimManiac | or something like that |
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| 14:58.05 | SimManiac | dvs: hm, i thought that was another way |
| 14:58.08 | SimManiac | ok thanks guys |
| 14:58.23 | jelly-home | SimManiac: man apt.conf, Default-Release |
| 14:58.44 | SimManiac | ah |
| 14:58.49 | SimManiac | that's what i had in mind :) |
| 14:58.51 | jelly-home | SimManiac: it's equivalent to pinning that release to 990 |
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| 14:58.54 | SimManiac | ah ok |
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| 14:59.03 | SimManiac | didn't know that in fact that was equivalent |
| 14:59.46 | jelly-home | !default-release |
| 14:59.46 | dpkg | it has been said that default-release is put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with stable, testing, unstable, experimental or whatever. that will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from |
| 15:00.20 | jelly-home | SimManiac: take a look at "apt-cache policy" output before and after setting it up |
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| 15:00.37 | SimManiac | jelly: ok, I'll do |
| 15:00.47 | SimManiac | i've tested with aptitude -s safe-upgrade |
| 15:00.59 | SimManiac | and i realized I needed the default-release or pinning :P |
| 15:01.12 | jelly-home | good |
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| 15:04.36 | TMM | is there a debian approved way of installing ia32 debs? |
| 15:04.52 | jelly-home | TMM: installing them where from? |
| 15:05.11 | nsadmin | onto an ia32 system |
| 15:05.12 | TMM | there are some emulators that can't yet be build for 64bit |
| 15:05.26 | TMM | nsadmin: ah yes, but I have a 64bit system :) |
| 15:05.26 | SimManiac | jelly-home: that did the trick. Thanks all :) |
| 15:05.36 | jelly-home | TMM: 32bit chroot? |
| 15:05.52 | TMM | I was hoping to avoid that :P |
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| 15:07.01 | jelly-home | there was something called ia32-apt-get but it seems to be gone now |
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| 15:07.37 | jelly-home | TMM: my guess is, use chroots until multiarch gets completed |
| 15:07.40 | Pinchiukas | So where should I be putting my iptables scripts in debian? |
| 15:07.52 | jelly-home | TMM: any year now! |
| 15:07.56 | TMM | jelly-home: ok, thanks. I'll just do that then |
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| 15:08.22 | TMM | well. actually, I'll just dpkg -X the stuff in my homedir and hope for the best |
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| 15:08.51 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 15:09.40 | jelly-home | !multiarch |
| 15:09.40 | dpkg | multiarch is probably http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 15:09.49 | jelly-home | hm, that's old |
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| 15:10.50 | jelly-home | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec |
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| 15:16.11 | fourlastor | hi all |
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| 15:16.56 | k23z__ | cock |
| 15:17.06 | nsadmin | block |
| 15:17.19 | k23z__ | dick |
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| 15:17.30 | nsadmin | really sick |
| 15:17.43 | k23z__ | prick |
| 15:17.44 | fourlastor | i've a problem using vlc version "0.8.6h Janus",it won't play any video,showing an "main decoder error: no suitable decoder module" for any video i tried,right now an mpeg4v2,a mov and an xvid |
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| 15:17.50 | nsadmin | and you should stick |
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| 15:17.57 | nsadmin | wo what you know |
| 15:18.04 | nsadmin | to |
| 15:18.09 | k23z__ | lol |
| 15:18.12 | fourlastor | any ideas? |
| 15:18.31 | nsadmin | anyway just kidding |
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| 15:19.58 | k23z__ | wow , have you people checked what the lockout package does on Debian ? seems really useful for employers !!! :))) |
| 15:20.12 | jelly-home | judd: versions vlc |
| 15:20.13 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; squeeze: 1.0.4-2+b1; sid: 1.0.5-1 |
| 15:20.25 | jelly-home | interesting, no backport |
| 15:21.23 | ufotech | Is there a problem with different kernel configuration and installed kernel 2.6.26-2-686? |
| 15:21.23 | fourlastor | jelly-home, do you think is a version issue? |
| 15:21.43 | nsadmin | and if you['re your own empoloyer |
| 15:22.02 | jelly-home | fourlastor: well, the version in stable _is_ really old, but it ought to play common formats. Does it have to be vlc or can you use eg. mplayer? |
| 15:22.29 | ufotech | I get compilation errors trying to install vmwareServer 2.0.2 |
| 15:23.16 | fourlastor | if i won't be able to use vlc,i will use mplayer,but is strange it can't play xvids.. |
| 15:23.43 | SimManiac | fourlastor: i don't know about very much video playing but did you install the proper codes? |
| 15:23.48 | jelly-home | ufotech: is build-essential and the relevant linux-headers-* package installed? |
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| 15:24.10 | fourlastor | i can play thoose videos from totem so i think they're installed |
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| 15:24.29 | jelly-home | SimManiac: xvid and "mpeg4v2" are managed by ffmpeg |
| 15:24.34 | ufotech | linux-headers: yes - never heard build-essential (package-name?) |
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| 15:24.39 | batmanmen | http://tiny.cc/pSIOC |
| 15:24.48 | jelly-home | !ops batmanmen spamming |
| 15:24.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: batmanmen spamming |
| 15:24.53 | SimManiac | ah ok |
| 15:25.06 | user113 | xrandr --output VGA --auto --left-of LVDS How do I change this command to make it keep the taskbars in the laptop screen? (LVDS) |
| 15:25.31 | fourlastor | surely i can play them also in mplayer,but i'd like to figure out if is my fault on vlc or if it is an issue |
| 15:25.48 | jelly-home | user113: not easily, you'll have to reconfigure your desktop environment to show them on the correct screen |
| 15:26.36 | fourlastor | i'm searching for a simple video that surely i should play to check this |
| 15:26.37 | user113 | jelly-home: lol, drag and drop |
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| 15:27.15 | RichiH | jelly-home: ta |
| 15:27.20 | jelly-home | user113: if it works, sure |
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| 15:29.15 | fourlastor | jelly-home, this is the output from vlc --list http://www.pastebin.com/d3bafcbfa |
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| 15:30.13 | fourlastor | i don't know if it can help |
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| 15:30.49 | tobago | mmh. the standard fonts are much too large, though the resolution is high. how to configure that? |
| 15:31.51 | nsadmin | allrightey then... I got all the packages for the full-upgrade for my domYEW |
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| 15:32.04 | gothenburg | tråkigt att slea Q3, vinner ju hela tiden :( |
| 15:32.04 | wols | !tell tobago about dpi |
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| 15:32.49 | jelly-home | fourlastor: me neither, sorry |
| 15:33.02 | Oscarr | Hello, can anyone help me resolve this error message from dmesg? "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
| 15:33.13 | fourlastor | ok,thanks jelly-home :) |
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| 15:33.42 | cahoot | Oscarr: you seem to lack a working wlan0 |
| 15:33.53 | aburch | Oscarr: You are not connected to a wireless network. |
| 15:34.49 | Oscarr | cahoot and aburch my wireless card isn't responsive |
| 15:34.49 | nsadmin | what's ht://Dig for? it's asking me if I want to do rundig periodically |
| 15:34.49 | cahoot | Oscarr: /sbin/ifconfig -a lists a wlan0? |
| 15:35.02 | fourlastor | jelly-home, i think i'll use smplayer :D |
| 15:35.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it's a search engine |
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| 15:35.12 | Oscarr | it utilizes rtrt2800usb |
| 15:35.13 | aburch | Oscarr: What do you mean by "isn't responsive"? |
| 15:35.26 | nsadmin | a local one for remote content? |
| 15:36.09 | Oscarr | one second, let me elaborate |
| 15:36.24 | wols | !tell Oscarr about rt2800 |
| 15:36.57 | Oscarr | basically, it detects the chip |
| 15:37.10 | Oscarr | but it is not operational |
| 15:37.22 | Oscarr | meaning "iwlist scan" does not show any networks |
| 15:37.37 | nsadmin | !rt2800 |
| 15:37.37 | dpkg | For support of Ralink 802.11 draft-n wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2860sta> (PCI) or <rt2870sta> (USB). |
| 15:37.50 | Oscarr | i cannot connect to any networks |
| 15:38.23 | ufotech | just installed the build-essential. 4 undefined-warnings in vsock. insmode error: Unknown symbol in module |
| 15:38.43 | ufotech | vmware suggest there are differences between C headers and the running kernel |
| 15:38.52 | Oscarr | I understand the staging drivers "rt2870sta" and "rt3070sta"work, but what about the rt2800usb ? |
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| 15:39.27 | wols | Oscarr: read the factoid again |
| 15:39.33 | Pinchiukas | How do I configure a network interface? Permanently - in a config file or something. |
| 15:39.33 | nsadmin | Preparing to replace libwmf0.2-7 0.2.8.4-2+etch1 (using .../libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-6+lenny1_i386.deb) ... |
| 15:39.34 | nsadmin | Can't locate File/Copy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0 .) at /usr/bin/defoma-app line 7. |
| 15:39.34 | nsadmin | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/defoma-app line 7. |
| 15:39.34 | nsadmin | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 15:39.34 | nsadmin | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
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| 15:39.34 | dpkg | i don't know, nsadmin |
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| 15:39.35 | dpkg | nsadmin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 15:39.56 | nsadmin | damn, I thougth I had the url copied, sorry |
| 15:39.59 | Oscarr | wols: I'm sorry factoid ? |
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| 15:40.04 | jelly-home | ufotech: now, if you have the correct linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed, matching the running kernel, and you told that vmware .pl script to use the correct headers, it's supposed to work |
| 15:40.08 | wols | Oscarr: dpkg messages you something |
| 15:40.12 | herbero | can someone direct me to data recovery links? I am mounting / with /dev/md0 RAID 1 from a live disk, but I need the original data in my /home/username? Anyone know how to find that data? |
| 15:40.16 | jelly-home | ufotech: uname -r? |
| 15:40.34 | ufotech | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:40.45 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1804705 |
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| 15:41.07 | nsadmin | should I be concerned about that? |
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| 15:41.24 | jelly-home | ufotech: hmph, that's pretty much a standard lenny kernel. |
| 15:41.40 | TMM | why would anyone run vmware now a days? just install vbox with with dkms modules |
| 15:41.43 | Oscarr | wols: dpkg does not touch on rt2800usb, it tells something for the staging drivers and the pci drivers, or maybe I'm wrong? |
| 15:42.12 | jelly-home | ufotech: try asking #vmware? |
| 15:42.13 | ufotech | exactly. Possibly vmware is wrong. But then I heard someone with the same issue building an ATI driver... |
| 15:42.20 | jelly-home | TMM: because it works |
| 15:42.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.40 | TMM | jelly-home: so does virtualbox, and it's free software :) |
| 15:42.40 | ufotech | I did: Use a supported o/s :-( |
| 15:42.58 | TMM | in fact, i/o wise, vbox actually does better on recent kernels than vmware |
| 15:43.05 | jelly-home | TMM: vbox is much less stable IME, and the interesting bits are not free |
| 15:43.14 | Oscarr | wols: doesn't "rt2870sta" qualify for a staging driver? |
| 15:43.29 | wols | Oscarr: no |
| 15:43.34 | TMM | I haven't had any stability issues with vbox |
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| 15:43.51 | jelly-home | I guess you're lucky, then |
| 15:43.59 | nsadmin | !test |
| 15:43.59 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 15:44.00 | Oscarr | wols: and the "sta" at the end means what exactly ? |
| 15:44.13 | TMM | or you are incredibly unlucky or haven't tried vbox in a long long time :) |
| 15:44.49 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 15:45.40 | wols | Oscarr: a wlan mode |
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| 15:45.57 | Oscarr | "station mode" I suppose |
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| 15:48.15 | Oscarr | wols: I tried compat-wireless, the rt2800usb detects the chip, registers a "wlanX" interface, but it fails to scan or connect to any network. Saying "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
| 15:48.39 | Oscarr | I figure its something relatively small, since dmesg does not complain of anything else |
| 15:48.46 | cahoot | missing firmware? |
| 15:49.17 | Oscarr | nope, cahoot firmware is installed (otherwise dmesg complains if there were no firmware installed) |
| 15:49.37 | nsadmin | I'd like to have a laptop that does a coupla things wireless... one, the normal get-on-the-net, and two, I want to be a wireless access point which also runs a name server that defines some "local" names |
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| 15:50.46 | wols | nsadmin: then do it? |
| 15:51.00 | herbero | can someone assist me in data recovery, kind of losing my mind here... |
| 15:51.04 | nsadmin | using what wireless hw? can I use any? |
| 15:51.39 | herbero | trying to copy it all over |
| 15:51.46 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 15:51.57 | Oscarr | cahoot, wols any ideas? |
| 15:52.22 | cahoot | Oscarr: what kernel? |
| 15:52.37 | Oscarr | cahoot: .31 |
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| 15:53.50 | dacs | hello |
| 15:53.57 | Pinchiukas | How do I configure a network interface? Permanently - in a config file or something. |
| 15:54.05 | dacs | is there is such command tool i could use that will generate nick names ..e.g i give it Jim, boo, mike and the out put will be Jimbo etc |
| 15:54.18 | nsadmin | for me it's always been: what chipset should I get, and how would I guarantee getting that chipset |
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| 15:55.16 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: man 5 interfaces; man 7 wireless |
| 15:55.27 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:56.01 | nsadmin | and also do all the above reading |
| 15:56.23 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: there are also examples in relevant packages, eg. /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 15:58.48 | Pinchiukas | Thanks, jelly-home. |
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| 16:00.41 | dacs | jelly-home: what are the numbers after man, how do i know if i have the right one? how do you know which one |
| 16:00.59 | hile | those are manual categories |
| 16:01.17 | hile | or sections. man man tells you what they are |
| 16:01.50 | dacs | hile: thank you |
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| 16:03.05 | dacs | ok i am trying to generate random names from some kind of inout |
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| 16:03.35 | nsadmin | dacs: there are like 8 or 9 sections, you should check out what they are for |
| 16:03.55 | nsadmin | there's one for lib calls for c programmers... there's one for file formats |
| 16:04.33 | dacs | nsadmin: sections for what |
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| 16:04.37 | nsadmin | admin tools, tcl stuff has its own section (n), section 1 for basic commands |
| 16:04.44 | nsadmin | manual |
| 16:05.01 | dacs | oh oh ..ok |
| 16:05.14 | nsadmin | for example |
| 16:05.26 | nsadmin | you might see a reference to grep(1) |
| 16:05.30 | dacs | i thought you were talking about the random output |
| 16:05.37 | dacs | nodes |
| 16:05.42 | nsadmin | that means grep is in section 1 of the man page |
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| 16:06.06 | nsadmin | and you'd run man 1 grep to see it |
| 16:06.19 | dacs | ok wait |
| 16:06.25 | nsadmin | or just man grep, 1 is searched first |
| 16:06.58 | dacs | i see on the top left Grep(1) |
| 16:07.13 | nsadmin | means it's in section 1 |
| 16:07.38 | dacs | ok , so space untill i see another section |
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| 16:08.03 | nsadmin | like interfaces(5) |
| 16:09.08 | hile | dacs, and you see relevant pages with -k, like man -k grep |
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| 16:09.44 | hile | does not search page contents, just name and description |
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| 16:09.56 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.16 | hile | only in description,not inside the page |
| 16:10.26 | dacs | yeah yeah |
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| 16:11.36 | dacs | thank you guys so much for this infom |
| 16:11.45 | dacs | learned something new |
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| 16:12.13 | ufotech | TMM: comming back to vbox (virtualBox, is it?) Any way of connecting remotely to the console? |
| 16:12.29 | dacs | teach a man to fish, and he will be on the boat for the BEER :) |
| 16:14.32 | nsadmin | an interesting (but random) read is: man X |
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| 16:15.58 | ufotech | nsadmin: Are you saying X is the only way of connecting the virtualBox-console? |
| 16:16.00 | jelly-home | dacs: also: man man :-), man 1 intro, man 2 intro, ... |
| 16:16.16 | nsadmin | no |
| 16:16.26 | nsadmin | I'm only saying man X is an interesting read |
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| 16:16.34 | flo|linux | hi |
| 16:16.39 | ufotech | no doubt :) |
| 16:16.48 | flo|linux | i get no sound with my fujitsu siemens lifebook |
| 16:16.51 | dacs | is there is such command, tool i could use that will generate nick names ..e.g i give it Jim, boo, mike and the out put will be Jimbo etc... i did it before but can't remember it |
| 16:16.52 | flo|linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.53 | dacs | i think it was used by a language owner to come up with the name of the programming lang |
| 16:16.56 | flo|linux | that's what lspci says |
| 16:17.07 | flo|linux | when i plug in headphones, it works fine |
| 16:17.15 | flo|linux | but the built in speakers stay quiet |
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| 16:17.56 | dacs | flo|linux: then its in software |
| 16:18.10 | ufotech | Much more important: Can I convert a vmware disk into a vbox-disk? |
| 16:18.11 | flo|linux | dacs, so how can i solve it? |
| 16:18.51 | dacs | flo|linux: just go there and un-click the mute and see if it works |
| 16:19.07 | TMM | ufotech: you can if you start your vms from the command-line, but you can't later change modes once booted |
| 16:19.09 | flo|linux | it isn't muted |
| 16:20.37 | flo|linux | all controls are non-muted and on more than 70% |
| 16:20.58 | ufotech | TMM: not sure if I got that. How to convert and change what modes? |
| 16:22.45 | TMM | ufotech: ow, if you start a VM from the gui, you can't turn the vm headless later. But if you start the vm headless you can then later connect to it remotely |
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| 16:23.11 | TMM | ufotech: you essentially can't disconnect from a vm if it wasn't started in the background to begin with |
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| 16:24.15 | ufotech | TMM: Thanks. Understood that. What about reusing the vmware-Disk? (with installed machine on it) |
| 16:24.45 | EugenMayer | hello. iam getting an error on aptitude update |
| 16:24.57 | TMM | ufotech: that's no problem, you can simply add it as a 'VDI' as vbox likes to call it |
| 16:25.01 | EugenMayer | that i have exceeded the maxmim number of "desciptions" |
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| 16:25.25 | wols | !tell EugenMayer about errors |
| 16:25.35 | EugenMayer | any idea? Iam using lenny and i added the sid and backports repos to use git / zsh out of the unstable repos |
| 16:25.45 | wols | !any idea |
| 16:25.45 | ufotech | TMM: Superbe. Thanks a lot. No more bothering with vmware! |
| 16:25.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:25.47 | EugenMayer | wols: its german .. |
| 16:25.53 | TMM | ufotech: indeed! :) |
| 16:26.06 | wols | EugenMayer: first, I am german too. 2nd, export LANG=C;<command> |
| 16:26.22 | herbero | hello, can anyone here assist me? |
| 16:26.44 | EugenMayer | wols: http://pastebin.com/m20c48d08 |
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| 16:26.52 | AimHere | We don't know, herbero |
| 16:27.23 | AimHere | Or, in other words, don't ask to ask about something, just ask about it directly |
| 16:27.24 | nsadmin | herbero: only if you are specific, informative, concise, complete about what you need assisting with |
| 16:27.39 | EugenMayer | wols: http://pastebin.com/m4fd1878c |
| 16:27.39 | wols | EugenMayer: use what I told you and google the error |
| 16:27.44 | nsadmin | use this as a template: |
| 16:27.47 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 16:27.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:28.02 | herbero | nsadmin: alright, well my issue is complex I will try to describe it accurately |
| 16:28.31 | wols | EugenMayer: frankendebian |
| 16:28.34 | AimHere | Don't paste more than one line of program output by the way, there's a bot that'll kick you for that |
| 16:28.52 | herbero | I had a failed hdd in my RAID 1, which contained my GRUB bootloader, I recently replaced the disk and got the RAID active from a livecd |
| 16:28.56 | nsadmin | cool... once you do, someone who's be able to help might step up |
| 16:29.20 | herbero | however, I am trying to copy all of my data off of the RAID so i can safely tinker, but none of my files in /home are appearing |
| 16:29.39 | herbero | I think because livecd mounts / in /dev/md0, my RAID 1 |
| 16:29.42 | nsadmin | is /home on a separate partition? |
| 16:29.49 | EugenMayer | wols: Well dont tell me you are one of those guys judging over people by seeing of they mix up debain packages or not? ... |
| 16:30.16 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 16:30.16 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 16:30.19 | wols | EugenMayer: I am since doing so is stupid and makes your install go bad. fast. you do backports and all this pinning is simply unnecessary |
| 16:30.20 | herbero | nsadmin: well /home shows up as empty, but I believe it is on all 4 of my disks |
| 16:30.24 | EugenMayer | wols: without even being able to guess the usecase. Thanks anyway for your help. |
| 16:30.27 | themill | EugenMayer: this is a problem caused by you doing exactly that. |
| 16:31.07 | EugenMayer | well, what ways could i go installing backport / sid packages into a stable? |
| 16:31.16 | wols | !tell EugenMayer about ssb |
| 16:31.27 | wols | note, that the factoid says nothing at all about pinning |
| 16:31.35 | nsadmin | call it a debian weakness if you want... but most combinations of debian packages from different versions of debian won't work |
| 16:31.41 | wols | and no binary packages from sid either |
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| 16:31.59 | EugenMayer | interesting. But when the sources are to old either? |
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| 16:32.14 | herbero | nsadmin: I should probably tell you that my /dev/md0 consists of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, while my /dev/md1 consists of /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 and /dev/sdd2 |
| 16:32.15 | nsadmin | there, my domU is completely upgraded |
| 16:32.17 | EugenMayer | (just wondering). Or are the sources not able to be older then sid? |
| 16:32.18 | wols | then the fun starts and you edit the source |
| 16:32.39 | wols | the sources are from sid. so they obviosuly can't be older than that |
| 16:32.40 | herbero | nsadmin: I just want to copy all of the data to my new hd /dev/hdc |
| 16:32.40 | EugenMayer | backports! git |
| 16:32.41 | themill | EugenMayer: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 16:32.48 | herbero | but cannot find it |
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| 16:33.19 | wols | EugenMayer: are you refering to the versioning system or something else? |
| 16:33.26 | EugenMayer | themill: wols: thanks. Will look into those |
| 16:33.28 | nsadmin | herbero are your mdXs partitioned? |
| 16:33.33 | EugenMayer | wols: git the SCM |
| 16:33.48 | nsadmin | alternatively, are they lvm pvs? |
| 16:33.51 | EugenMayer | wols: and zsh the "z-shell" |
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| 16:34.04 | hile | herbero: so the rescue mounted only your / directory, not /home directory, if you have md0 for / ja md1 for /home ? |
| 16:34.11 | EugenMayer | wols: i usually dont use any unstable package. this is the only machine doing so |
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| 16:34.39 | EugenMayer | wols: because i need both, the new zsh and the new git version ( due to some important features / fixes ) |
| 16:34.51 | wols | see what themill said |
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| 16:36.36 | herbero | hile: sorry, i didn't follow that |
| 16:36.52 | herbero | nsadmin: md0 is um |
| 16:37.40 | wols | herbero: how many partitons do you have? |
| 16:37.50 | herbero | I have 8 |
| 16:37.52 | nsadmin | if you partition (say) md0 or md1 (or whatever), what do the partitions get named in /dev? |
| 16:38.03 | herbero | 2 per disk |
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| 16:38.18 | herbero | sda1,2 sdb 1,2 sdc 1,2 sdd 1,2 |
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| 16:38.43 | wols | keeenx: and each partiton per disk is what? which mountpoint on your filesystem? |
| 16:38.46 | herbero | fdisk says my partition table is not valid though |
| 16:39.00 | nsadmin | herbero: pastebin output of fdisk -l |
| 16:39.07 | EugenMayer | themill: wols: well just to be sure. I just got shocked that using the ssb method i will need to fetch 254MB of source. Thats is "ok"? |
| 16:39.23 | wols | EugenMayer: what did you tell it to fetch? |
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| 16:39.49 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/m2f27997c |
| 16:40.04 | EugenMayer | for git-core |
| 16:40.11 | wols | EugenMayer: that's not what you did tell the PC |
| 16:40.15 | wols | it's the PC's ANSWER |
| 16:40.17 | EugenMayer | how to check which version would actually get compiled |
| 16:40.28 | EugenMayer | wols: apt-get build-dep git-core |
| 16:40.45 | wols | the version that is in sid (or the repo you queried) |
| 16:40.58 | wols | well, those are build dependencies. that is not source |
| 16:41.11 | herbero | nsadmin: I can't...I am on a different computer |
| 16:41.12 | wols | why it wants tex beats me tho. probably evil recommends |
| 16:41.22 | wols | judd: depends git-core |
| 16:41.24 | judd | git-core -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), perl-modules, liberror-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl |
| 16:41.25 | EugenMayer | how would i query the "source git core" in the sid "deb-src" with aptitude? |
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| 16:42.19 | themill | ,builddep git-core --release sid |
| 16:42.20 | judd | git-core -- Build-Depends: libz-dev, libcurl4-gnutls-dev | libcurl3-gnutls-dev, asciidoc (>> 8.0.0), xmlto, docbook-xsl (>> 1.72), libexpat1-dev, subversion, libsvn-perl | libsvn-core-perl, unzip, tcl8.5, gettext, cvs, cvsps, libdbd-sqlite3-perl. |
| 16:42.22 | wols | yes, it's suggests and recommends that drags in all that crap. disable it (if you want) |
| 16:43.08 | herbero | nsadmin: I can type it though /dev/sda1 1-2432 fd Linux raid autodetect, sda 2 2433-121601...same with sdb |
| 16:43.18 | herbero | nsadmin: those are both /dev/md0 |
| 16:44.25 | herbero | nsadmin: sdc and sdd are the same thing, except the 1-2433 parttion in ext3 |
| 16:44.41 | herbero | while sdb is linux raid autodetect |
| 16:45.28 | herbero | nsadmin: md1 that has sdc and sdd says not a valid partition table, I wonder if instead of ext3, it should all be linux-raid-autodetect |
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| 16:46.18 | EugenMayer | wols: how to disable tex support? ( most probably that docbook stuff) are there build flags like in gentoo? |
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| 16:47.35 | herbero | nsadmin: so I basically have 4 1 TB in 2 arrays, md0: sda1,, sdb1 (RAID 1 mirror with bootloader) and md1 sda2 sdb2 sdc2 and sdd2 (RAID 5) |
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| 16:49.38 | wols | EugenMayer: there aren't. youd probably need to edit the build depends directly. asciidoc and docbook are the cuprits. you can also disable recommends and suggests with apt |
| 16:50.03 | wols | BeZerk: so mount both arrays, not just one of them |
| 16:50.29 | herbero | wols:talkin to me? |
| 16:50.42 | EugenMayer | wols: still trying to apt-cache search for the git-core version in sid. no luck . How would that liik like |
| 16:50.43 | wols | herbero: yes |
| 16:50.46 | robert_l_straitt | Hi, I'm running Debian/Lenny as a webserver, and my roommate just asked if we could set it up to stream live audio from the sound card to the site, My google search has led me to installing libshout, but I'm still not sure how to interface to it.. can anyone help? |
| 16:51.07 | wols | ,versions git-core |
| 16:51.08 | judd | git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch1; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny1; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.5-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.6.6.1-1; sid: 1:1.7.0-1 |
| 16:51.14 | herbero | wols: unable to resolve host |
| 16:51.21 | herbero | wols: should I mount it to / |
| 16:51.22 | herbero | ? |
| 16:51.39 | wols | *sigh* |
| 16:51.55 | EugenMayer | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/git-core |
| 16:52.00 | aburch | robert_l_straitt: Maybe you are looking for something like "icecast-server"? I did never use anything like this myself though. |
| 16:52.01 | EugenMayer | guess that 1.7 then |
| 16:52.10 | herbero | wols: sorry, this has been trying for me...not sure why I cannot mount or umount |
| 16:52.28 | robert_l_straitt | aburch, yep I just found that on like page 5 of my google search. Danke! :) |
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| 16:59.11 | herbero | nsadmin: any ideas? |
| 16:59.14 | herbero | wols:? |
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| 17:00.46 | fourlastor-fisso | if i want to pass from debian lenny to debian squeeze,should i run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:01.18 | fourlastor-fisso | (after updating the sources.list and running apt-get update,of course) |
| 17:01.20 | hile | herbero: have you actually tried saying simply something like: mount /dev/md1 /home |
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| 17:01.59 | herbero | hile: yes, |
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| 17:02.21 | herbero | hile: I get errors wrong fs type bad option bad superblock |
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| 17:03.07 | herbero | dmesg | tail says ext3-fs error group descriptors corrupted |
| 17:03.35 | herbero | I am wondering if I should change the ext3-fs to raid autodetect... |
| 17:03.56 | hile | no |
| 17:04.03 | herbero | hile: okay |
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| 17:04.44 | hile | pastebin mdadm --misc --detail /dev/md0 |
| 17:04.50 | hile | sorry, md1 |
| 17:06.00 | herbero | hile: can't pastebin, but superblock is persistent State: clean, RAIDDDevice 0-3 all active, sda2, sdb2 sdc2 and sdd2 no removed disks |
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| 17:07.53 | EugenMayer | wols: can i reuse the resulting .deb on my other lenny installtions? |
| 17:08.13 | manixor | <msg> |
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| 17:08.24 | herbero | hile: also says raid5, 4 total devices 912GB of used space of 2738 used |
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| 17:08.38 | herbero | er...available |
| 17:10.01 | themill | EugenMayer: yes |
| 17:10.14 | EugenMayer | thank you themill |
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| 17:12.08 | hile | herbero: yeah so the MD looks like it's happy, but your partition is certainly not happy |
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| 17:12.47 | herbero | hile: agreed, but I am not sure why...I assume it is a size issue |
| 17:13.00 | herbero | hile: I don't want to lose the data by partitioning wrong |
| 17:13.35 | Ungy | I keep getting an error with apt-get dist-upgrade on my ISD installation the error is specifically with man-db "dpkg: error processing man-db (--configure)" |
| 17:14.05 | hile | herbero, you might already have lost it ... to some level, at least |
| 17:14.21 | herbero | hile: :( |
| 17:14.27 | herbero | hile: I was afraid of that |
| 17:14.47 | Ungy | sorry that was SID(unstable) installation |
| 17:15.59 | themill | Ungy: that's not the real error. pastebin the entire output of "aptitude full-upgrade". |
| 17:16.17 | herbero | hile: but yesterday, i saw my data |
| 17:16.29 | Ungy | themill hmm gues I should install aptitude then |
| 17:16.29 | EugenMayer | themill: i ran into some compile-errors |
| 17:16.30 | hile | herbero, it looks like the raid5 is ok, and all disks accessible, but the filesystem _inside_ the raid is screwed somehow. |
| 17:16.31 | herbero | hile: I don't know what happened since then, but I cannot see anything now |
| 17:16.40 | herbero | hile: yeah... |
| 17:16.49 | EugenMayer | themill: (tests of git-core failed... 1 of 24) |
| 17:16.59 | themill | EugenMayer: that's not unexpected.... backporting isn't always trivial. |
| 17:17.16 | EugenMayer | ok ... can i ignore those failing test somehow? |
| 17:17.21 | themill | Ungy: yes, that's recommended. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 17:17.23 | tobago | the package "xfce4-settings" is described on the official debian package page, but not available in the debian repository, is it? |
| 17:17.32 | themill | EugenMayer: there's a reasonable chance that the tests are there for a reason |
| 17:17.50 | EugenMayer | themill: well there is also a reasonable chance that the tests are broken |
| 17:18.00 | themill | EugenMayer: sure... |
| 17:18.08 | hile | herbero, you might still find the FS from md1 with some recovery tools, and likely do find it: it could be you have lost beginning of the disk, but there are still copies of the superblock |
| 17:18.09 | EugenMayer | and in that case it looks that way |
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| 17:18.37 | Ungy | OK themill I have installed aptitude and am now recieving lots more information thanks |
| 17:19.09 | hile | herbero, and 'lost' like in "someone or something wrote something over it", not like "disk broken" |
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| 17:19.46 | hile | for example if you just added accidentally a partition table to the beginning of md1 while fixing" this, you likely can recover whole thing |
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| 17:20.22 | herbero | hile: well the disk is fine, but I never wrote over anything unless the RAID resync. I did write a partition table to sdc yesterday because it had none...for no obvious reason I could discern |
| 17:20.47 | herbero | hile everytime I boot I have to blockdev --rereadpt for sdd and sdc to get them to recognize and launch the md1 |
| 17:20.51 | artagnon | Is there a workaround for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564444 --? I have an ATI graphics card, and the free driver is really quite pathetic. Any suggestions? |
| 17:21.14 | hile | herbero: obviously something wrong anyway, impossible to tell like this, sorry |
| 17:21.47 | AimHere | It's probably the sort of thing that will get sorted out fairly quickly. |
| 17:21.59 | herbero | hile: thanks anyway, any recommendations? |
| 17:22.06 | AimHere | Wait a couple days, then try installing again when they've fixed the dependency conflict |
| 17:22.15 | artagnon | How are other distribtuions handling this issue? I find it hard to believe that Fedora hasn't switched to Xorg-1.7 yet. |
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| 17:22.41 | themill | artagnon: not until ATI extract their heads from the arses and provide a driver that compiles against xorg 1.7. See the linked upstream bug. |
| 17:22.44 | Ungy | themill ok here is what I get when I run aptitude full-upgrade http://pastebin.ca/1804805 |
| 17:22.50 | ketsa | artagnon: im running the free driver, np here. |
| 17:22.53 | AimHere | ATI is always pretty slow to update their drivers. |
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| 17:23.05 | hile | herbero: read some guides about recovering FS, if you happen to have unused 1TB disk you might ddrescue the md1 to that as clone |
| 17:23.07 | AimHere | Mind you, Debian sid is a version or two behind by my reckoning too |
| 17:23.11 | artagnon | themill: I understand. How is Fedora/ Ubuntu dealing with this? |
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| 17:23.30 | themill | artagnon: no idea. You'd have to ask them. |
| 17:23.30 | herbero | hile: I looked into that already, but you have to install ddrescue, right? |
| 17:23.32 | artagnon | ketsa: Really? I have a problem even with scrolling PDFs in evince |
| 17:23.45 | arsen_ | How can i install a package from unstable on my stable server? do i have to change sources list or can i choose to change? |
| 17:23.54 | arsen_ | trying to install mumble-server, but stable has an old version |
| 17:24.02 | themill | dpkg: tell arsen_ about stable |
| 17:24.05 | hile | herbero: not really, it's just nice wrapper ... you _can_ use just dd |
| 17:24.23 | artagnon | Another thing: Why did Debian push 1.7 to testing if they knew this was a problem? Testing users shouldn't suffer, no? |
| 17:24.50 | herbero | hile: I might just do that, because I am getting desperate, I need that data off of this thin |
| 17:24.51 | arsen_ | ok themill .. but that doesnt answer my question?:/ |
| 17:24.56 | themill | artagnon: 1.7 is fine for most users. |
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| 17:25.12 | arsen_ | can i add an unstable source entry and install specifically from it? |
| 17:25.17 | hile | herbero: especially if it is messed up fs, not broken devices. if you can guarantee 100% that /dev/sdf is the free disk, you could just dd if=/dev/md1 of=/dev/sdf and then later try rescuing from sdf |
| 17:25.24 | themill | arsen_: no. /msg dpkg backport |
| 17:25.48 | herbero | hile: I will try that now because hdc is an empty disk |
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| 17:26.20 | hile | herbero: after that, you can work with the rescue tools on hdc quite freely |
| 17:26.30 | Ungy | themill looks like a have a few hung processes I am goign to do a cold boot and try again |
| 17:26.34 | artagnon | themill: I asked on #fedora -- They're using 1.8 |
| 17:26.55 | themill | artagnon: heh... that's one approach to it. |
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| 17:27.35 | herbero | hile: this will probably take a while |
| 17:28.29 | arsen_ | ok, so im running deb 5.0, how can i go about installing the latest mumble-server ? |
| 17:28.50 | arsen_ | 1.1.4 requires a specifically seperate client app to connet to it because its so old :/ |
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| 17:29.06 | arsen_ | ...the stable avail version |
| 17:29.26 | aburch | dpkg: tell arsen_ about backports |
| 17:29.38 | arsen_ | sorry |
| 17:29.45 | arsen_ | but the answer to every question is not linking me to the bot response |
| 17:30.10 | nsadmin | ,versions mumble |
| 17:30.13 | judd | mumble -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.1-3; sid: 1.2.2-1 |
| 17:30.32 | aburch | Oh, I misread the version in bpo... |
| 17:30.35 | hile | herbero: yes. sorry I don't have lots of experience with recovering from such disk copy, basically you need to find offset to valid superblock and try fsck with that offset on the broken fs |
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| 17:30.47 | arsen_ | so essentially that is saying the backport avail version is only 1.1.8 ? |
| 17:31.02 | arsen_ | and id therefore need to run sid/squeeze to actually get a relatively recent version ? |
| 17:31.03 | nsadmin | correct |
| 17:31.30 | arsen_ | hence, back to my original question .. is there a way i can install the later version? the documentation for mumble is ... sketchy |
| 17:31.33 | herbero | hile: okay, well, I will read up on this and when it finishes..check it out again with the copy |
| 17:31.33 | nsadmin | need to run squeeze , no, you can try backporting yourself |
| 17:32.26 | artagnon | themill: Is 1.8 in experimental/ some other repository? |
| 17:32.29 | aburch | arsen_: Besides backporting yourself, you could also ask the maintainer (or the one who provided the last backport) to update the backport. |
| 17:32.44 | arsen_ | ah ok. so it is possible to get updated backports then |
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| 17:33.06 | themill | arsen_: not "get", "make your own". It's not always that simple though |
| 17:33.12 | themill | arsen_: not that I know of |
| 17:33.28 | themill | err... artagnon ^^ |
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| 17:33.49 | arsen_ | Ok, so the answer to teh question is that i'd basically, and realisitclaly, need to dist-upgrade or whathaveyou to get access to it? |
| 17:33.52 | hile | herbero: you should be able to get superblocks by running mke2fs -n on the original md1: the -n is very important to not actually overwrite the FS... from this output you get offsets to alternative superblocks to try with fsck -b <superblock-number> /dev/md1 |
| 17:34.14 | artagnon | themill: Hand-compiling it? Doesn't sound like a great idea. Thanks anyway :) |
| 17:34.26 | themill | arsen_: no, you can try making your own backport, just as dpkg told you |
| 17:34.28 | hile | herbero: but better create this clone first before you start fixing the original :) |
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| 17:34.35 | gold | hi, why NETSTAT dont work via user, only root? |
| 17:34.40 | herbero | hile: agreed |
| 17:34.43 | __klamath__ | just updated squeeze, ecomorph a compiz port for enlightenment, does not start. The error is "Software rasterizer detected, aborting". What is a "Software rasterizer" ?? any clue ?? |
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| 17:34.58 | themill | dpkg: tell gold about doesn't work |
| 17:35.10 | DanDare | An package is a part of "Sid" distro. This mean that this package will be contained in the next stable release ? |
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| 17:35.33 | DanDare | Or it will probably be contained but not guarantee ? |
| 17:36.07 | heavenquake | DanDare: it means it's currently unstable, and isn't even in testing yet. So it might and might not be in the next stable |
| 17:36.24 | DanDare | allright, thanks |
| 17:36.26 | aburch | arsen_: I guess asking the maintainer to update the backport wouldn't hurt. |
| 17:36.26 | hile | herbero: there are also tools to recover some files from abolutely garbage fs remains, but of course if you get the original FS fixed with backup superblock you only lose -some- files |
| 17:36.33 | heavenquake | if it is in testing, it means it probably will be in the next stable |
| 17:36.40 | arsen_ | arh |
| 17:36.57 | arsen_ | Ok, so i guess the next questions is when is the next stable?:) |
| 17:37.16 | aburch | arsen_: But it doesn't guarantee anything of course. |
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| 17:37.42 | themill | arsen_, aburch: that's a quite non-trivial backport. You're unlikely to see anything beyond the version currently in bpo released. |
| 17:37.44 | gold | NETSTAT work perfect when im root, when i switch to user, show only: http://pastebin.com/m4d7c7a9d . Not user connection... Where can by problem? |
| 17:37.47 | Ungy | themill wow that aptitude full-upgrade did a number on my system lost gnome completely heh oh well back to starting over |
| 17:38.28 | themill | Ungy: you should always read what it's planning to do. There's nothing new in that... |
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| 17:38.41 | arsen_ | its just annoying that the current "recommended" version of server requires a specifically backwards compatible client to connect to it |
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| 17:39.41 | themill | arsen_: there's little debian can do about an upstream that keeps changing things all the time in incompatible ways and feels the need to always depend on the latest and greatest libraries when they aren't widely available. |
| 17:40.08 | herbero | hile: *sigh* so, I pretty much lost some no matter what, and I just need to see how much is recoverable? |
| 17:40.09 | arsen_ | i know, but i do believe it's maintained by the debian voip team :/ |
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| 17:40.38 | Ungy | themill oh I always read it ;-) doesn't mean that I won't do it if it is what is required to fix it |
| 17:41.01 | themill | arsen_: the debian packages are maintained by the debian voip team, the actual code is developed by others |
| 17:41.04 | DanDare | well, zoneminder is not in "testing" :( |
| 17:41.08 | arsen_ | arh oki |
| 17:41.16 | arsen_ | i guess i could just do a dist-upgr |
| 17:41.18 | arsen_ | :/ |
| 17:41.18 | hile | herbero: depends, if you have a superblock overwritten, you might not have lost any normal files, if something created new filesystem over existing... hard to tell |
| 17:41.39 | herbero | hile: gotcha |
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| 17:43.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:43.50 | Backup | yepp :) |
| 17:44.52 | flixil | Hello, I've been installing fonts and now when I open a java program I see it with an ugly font. What what the command to know which files open a program to see which font is used? |
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| 17:47.24 | Pinchiukas | I accidentally interrupted the setup script of a package, how do I re-run it? |
| 17:47.35 | arsen_ | so |
| 17:47.39 | Ungy | themill thanks for the help and suggestions all errors but exims paniclog are now solved thanks |
| 17:47.44 | arsen_ | is there a SAFE way to do a dist upgrade, providing a rollback option? |
| 17:47.46 | Pinchiukas | 'dpkg --configure samba' will work for me? |
| 17:47.47 | arsen_ | bios stylee |
| 17:47.55 | arsen_ | sorry, boot loader rollback? |
| 17:48.15 | flixil | Pinchiukas, I think so |
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| 17:48.44 | user113 | is sid more unstable than ubuntu karmic? |
| 17:48.58 | zinx | arsen_: better to fix anything that breaks than to try a rollback :/ |
| 17:49.02 | cahoot | how would anyone know? |
| 17:49.07 | Ungy | user113 I use SID every day |
| 17:49.10 | DanDare | Pinchiukas, you can try dpkg-reconfigure samba |
| 17:49.33 | user113 | Ungy: does sid use the kernel that makes gui more responsivenss? |
| 17:49.52 | user113 | *responsive |
| 17:49.53 | Ungy | user113 every once and I while I run into a problem I can't solve for myself or find a solution on Google then I come here |
| 17:50.03 | zinx | user113: you can apply any patches and make your own kernel with "kernel-package" |
| 17:50.05 | arsen_ | i guess it was naive to think that runnign the stable version on a SERVER might work :/ |
| 17:50.17 | arsen_ | fine if you dont do anything. i guess :( |
| 17:50.20 | Ungy | user113 not sure which kernel you are talking baout |
| 17:50.24 | arsen_ | is disgruntled x) |
| 17:50.40 | themill | arsen_: umm... you can't extrapolate from one dodgy app to the entirety of debian. |
| 17:50.48 | zinx | user113: I don't think any of Debian's default kernels include BFS, if that's what you're talking about |
| 17:50.51 | arsen_ | theres a lot of them :) |
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| 17:51.33 | arsen_ | i got bored of not being able to use stable for stuff, so i thought id come in here and seek a solution, just ended up discovering what i already new. |
| 17:51.35 | zinx | arsen_: i've not had troubles with dist upgrades - just make sure to read the Debian Installation Guide for the release you're planning to install - they always contain a section on upgrading from the previous release |
| 17:51.55 | arsen_ | yeah, ive done it in desktop environments before |
| 17:52.03 | arsen_ | though its a dedi server in paris, so :) |
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| 17:52.07 | zinx | i use sid on my desktops :D |
| 17:52.19 | arsen_ | aye i always used to use the latest i could on desktops |
| 17:52.27 | arsen_ | didnt see the point in forceably choosing to be behind the times. |
| 17:52.35 | gold | ;/ ... NETSTAT work perfect when im root, when i switch to user, show only: http://pastebin.com/m4d7c7a9d . Not user connection... Where can by problem? ... |
| 17:52.37 | DuClare | The point is less maintenance |
| 17:52.44 | jpapertowel | i want to use sid on my desktops but they all have ATi cards :( |
| 17:52.45 | aburch | arsen_: If you are happy with Lenny in general, you could also set up a Squeeze chroot. |
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| 17:52.50 | themill | arsen_: maybe you should read that factoid about "stable" again and stop trolling. |
| 17:53.13 | arsen_ | trolling would be purposely attacking you or your views |
| 17:53.21 | arsen_ | i am however, taking part in DISCUSSION |
| 17:53.31 | themill | arsen_: this isn't a discussion channel, however. |
| 17:53.35 | arsen_ | it can be :) |
| 17:53.36 | Pinchiukas | My samba installation freezes on "Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd". What do I do? :) |
| 17:53.38 | _tux | hi people im working with a debian that has no gui and habe a wlan card installed. i have configured my wlan with a wpa2 encryption. |
| 17:53.42 | Ungy | arsen_ I don't think you understand the difference between running a network that cannot go down and running a desktop at your home |
| 17:53.55 | _tux | and i have configured everything correctly |
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| 17:54.13 | arsen_ | what use is the network that can't go down, when you cant run the applications it serves? |
| 17:54.23 | _tux | upon restarting the networking i get |
| 17:54.24 | _tux | http://www.pastebin.com/m1dc8b38 |
| 17:54.30 | Pinchiukas | Anyone? |
| 17:54.46 | wols | Pinchiukas: check the samba logs |
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| 17:55.08 | _tux | but when i enter the following command, i can ping that system with another pc on the network |
| 17:55.08 | Ungy | arsen_ for my home desktop and development I use SID unstable which is far from unstable but for all servers I run I use stable and it saves me some serious headaches |
| 17:55.16 | _tux | wpa_supplicant -D wext -B -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 17:55.27 | _tux | any idea what the problem is? |
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| 17:55.33 | Pinchiukas | wols: they don't have anything. Almost empty. |
| 17:56.13 | arsen_ | ah yes, but Ungy when you want to run an app on your server that requires unstable .. ?:) |
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| 17:56.24 | Ungy | arsen_ if you want bleeding edge might I suggest Gentoo I know you will begin to appreciate Debian after using that for a while or if you have a massive amount of time you might find you love it |
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| 17:56.49 | Ungy | arsen_ I have aptience and if I really need to backport somethign I do it |
| 17:57.00 | DanDare | Pinchiukas, it´s just meant to work in the stable distro. May your incorrect instalation made it crazy somewhat. Im not sure but if it was on me I would try 'apt-get purge samba' 'apt-get install samba' |
| 17:57.24 | Pinchiukas | DanDare: tried that. Same result. |
| 17:57.27 | DanDare | well, if dpkg-reconfigure cant solve |
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| 17:57.30 | arsen_ | so argueably you're choosing to have a "make your own backport" headache over the odd bugfix |
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| 17:57.56 | arsen_ | id personally take the bugfix, and be able to take advantage of the latest developments |
| 17:58.05 | Ungy | arsen_ if I was supporting 3 million+ servers hell yes |
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| 17:58.07 | hile | arsen_: it is not "odd bugfix" if the new version requires new versiosns of half the world |
| 17:58.25 | arsen_ | whats 3 million servers when its all teh same bugfix :p automate! |
| 17:58.48 | arsen_ | and besides, im only talking one server :) |
| 17:59.34 | DanDare | Pinchiukas, you tried /etc/init.d/samba start ? |
| 17:59.35 | Ungy | arsen_ with the complex dependencies of some of these things you can cause some serious problems Ubuntu might be your speed they prefer to go the route of pushing the envelope in lots of cases they are pretty damn stable but far more unstable then debian |
| 17:59.42 | arsen_ | im not debating whether deb has a need for stable, id just like the latest server-based apps to be compatible with the current stable deb :) |
| 18:00.00 | themill | arsen_: as I said a number of times, well-written apps have backwards compatibility in mind. |
| 18:00.01 | Ungy | arsen_ one odd-bugfix can cause bugs in 50 other applications |
| 18:00.40 | Ungy | arsen_ and you might not use any of those 50 apps and see no issue but someone else might |
| 18:00.52 | arsen_ | im no developer, but mumble could do with alot more :) its rapidly becoming more popular, and its not .. easy.. for non-tech savvy users |
| 18:01.19 | Pinchiukas | DanDare: yes. |
| 18:01.26 | Pinchiukas | smbd won't start, it seems. |
| 18:01.32 | zinx | arsen_: oh? they've added a lot of stuff to make it easier in recent versions |
| 18:01.42 | arsen_ | i know zinx , thats the proble |
| 18:01.54 | Ungy | arsen_ and when it gets to a more stable and has a lot more support it will of course end up getting the attention it deserves |
| 18:01.55 | arsen_ | in order to use that, you need the latest mumble-server, which wont work on stable :p |
| 18:02.07 | zinx | arsen_: so backport it |
| 18:02.15 | arsen_ | its great app tbh, developing rapildy and growing, but needs the stability and usability next. |
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| 18:02.34 | arsen_ | i wouldnt know where to start zinx. |
| 18:02.42 | Ungy | arsen_ And such is the point it will not be in stable for a while |
| 18:02.48 | zinx | arsen_: grab the source _orig.tar.gz/.diff.gz/.dsc, dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd */ && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 18:03.44 | Ungy | arsen_ also you can find some information on backports.org |
| 18:03.47 | zinx | arsen_: i could probably build it for you if you're on amd64... but i'm guessing you are not |
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| 18:03.50 | arsen_ | yeah ive been reading |
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| 18:04.31 | Ungy | OK well I gotta go once again thanks for the help themill and good luck with your mumble install arsen_ |
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| 18:04.46 | arsen_ | :) |
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| 18:05.05 | zinx | looks like lenny-backports has 1.1.8 still |
| 18:05.21 | arsen_ | yessir |
| 18:05.25 | zinx | arsen_: what architecture do you need it for |
| 18:05.39 | arsen_ | i686 is my current deb vers |
| 18:05.46 | arsen_ | 5.0 i686 |
| 18:06.13 | zinx | yeah, sadly i do not have any Debian systems for that at the moment :( |
| 18:06.24 | zinx | most of the stuff i have accounts on moved to amd64 :/ |
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| 18:07.00 | zinx | and all my home machines are amd64, and the only ones with chroots for building x86 stuff are sid |
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| 18:08.48 | arsen_ | yeh, this little dedi is just a cheapy |
| 18:08.58 | arsen_ | didnt need much, only hosting some sites / small services |
| 18:10.02 | zinx | arsen_: it's worth noting that the mumble homepage has a staticly linked version that should work with any distro |
| 18:10.12 | arsen_ | yeh i tried that :s |
| 18:10.19 | arsen_ | dependancies said no :< |
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| 18:10.51 | zinx | arsen_: huh? |
| 18:11.13 | zinx | arsen_: it shouldn't have any dependencies o_O |
| 18:11.19 | arsen_ | i tried dpkg -i package.deb and it listed a few (lots of ) dependancies missing |
| 18:11.25 | zinx | arsen_: it's not a .deb |
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| 18:11.42 | arsen_ | hm |
| 18:12.34 | zinx | arsen_: it's a .tar.lzma (tar --lzma -tvf foo.tar.lzma, or whatever) |
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| 18:12.53 | arsen_ | yep |
| 18:12.58 | arsen_ | im not sure why i didnt see that |
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| 18:14.33 | Amarande | lzma ... don't tell me bz2 has become supplanted now like gz was by bz2 ... :| |
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| 18:15.03 | stuckey | My system time is fifteen minutes slow. |
| 18:15.22 | p3rror | arf, my nameservers are not IPv6 accessible, because no glue in the tld servers |
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| 18:16.08 | DuClare | Amarande: gz was never supplanted by bz2 |
| 18:16.09 | Amarande | stuckey: install ntpd or ntpdate or something of the such :) |
| 18:16.28 | Amarande | DuClare, it does seem like major projects mainly moved on to bz2 though, such as the kernel and firefox |
| 18:16.46 | stuckey | Amarande: what actually keeps track of the time - is it hardware or software? |
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| 18:17.16 | DuClare | Lzma could very well take over bz2, but gzip isn't going anywhere (the other two are ridiculously slow compared to gz) |
| 18:18.05 | DuClare | Lzma should be both faster *and* more efficient in reducing the size than bz2 |
| 18:18.17 | arsen_ | not eactly sure what "tar --lzma -tvf file.lzma" did to my file |
| 18:18.18 | arsen_ | lol |
| 18:18.19 | DuClare | At least decompression is faster. I can't remember what's the status with compressing. |
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| 18:19.54 | Amarande | arsen_, it didn't do anything to the file. "t" means list the files in it |
| 18:20.23 | stuckey | Amarande: i don thave ntpd |
| 18:20.23 | arsen_ | that would explain that |
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| 18:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: You have two clocks, a hardware clock that's essentially part of the BIOS, and a software clock that's part of the kernel. The system clock relies on the "clock chip", which is an oscilator that drives the frequency of the data bus and CPU. Both are notoriously innacurate, you can get a better watch for less than $10. |
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| 18:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: ntp can automatically calculate your clock's innacuracy and compensate for it. |
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| 18:38.33 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: thanks. I installed "ntp". How do I get it to update the clock? |
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| 18:39.02 | NiLon | stuckey you need ntpd |
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| 18:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | There are a couple of ways. ntpdate will do it in one step, but generlaly you just want to enable the deamon. |
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| 18:39.23 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: how do I enable the deamon? |
| 18:39.36 | jhutchins_lt | let me check... |
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| 18:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | It should be enabled by default, /etc/init.d/ntpd start (as root). |
| 18:40.25 | stuckey | bash: /etc/init.d/ntpd: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.30 | stuckey | I have /etc/init.d/ntp |
| 18:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, give me a moment, I'm a little more familiar with a different distro. |
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| 18:41.27 | stuckey | NiLon: there isn't a "ntpd" package. |
| 18:41.48 | nsadmin | he didn't say package.... |
| 18:41.53 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: Sorry, yes, that's the right file to start. |
| 18:41.54 | nsadmin | ntpd is what you get |
| 18:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | /etc/init.d/ntp start |
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| 18:42.43 | format_c | update-rc.d works on every distro the same. |
| 18:42.48 | nsadmin | if your time doesn't go to the actual time it might be off too far (more than 1024 secs) |
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| 18:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, dpkg lists ntp-simple, but aptitude doesn't. |
| 18:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | format_c: No. |
| 18:44.17 | nsadmin | if that's the case you have to stop ntp, then run ntpdate on an ntp server known to be good |
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| 18:44.24 | jhutchins_lt | format_c: It's not used on some distros |
| 18:44.30 | format_c | really |
| 18:44.45 | nsadmin | format_c: it was written by a debian dev |
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| 18:45.13 | nsadmin | there are similar tools for other dists... |
| 18:45.18 | stuckey | nsadmin: it's like fifteen minutes off |
| 18:45.20 | nsadmin | but all this is for sysvinit |
| 18:45.38 | stuckey | but it went to the right time ... I didn't even have to restart. |
| 18:45.39 | format_c | strange. I'm sure I've seen it on several distros. |
| 18:45.42 | nsadmin | !15 * 60 |
| 18:45.42 | dpkg | 900 |
| 18:46.36 | nsadmin | so 1024 secs is 17 mins 4 secs |
| 18:47.25 | nsadmin | which makes 15 mins within the limit |
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| 18:54.42 | eltaco | hi is there a firefox add on for viewing hidden url links to full url links |
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| 18:55.27 | simonrvn | this isn't #firefox |
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| 18:56.50 | nsadmin | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox |
| 18:57.01 | nsadmin | lookadat |
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| 18:57.20 | aheron | hi i m in debian sid and trying to install rekonq but fail with message Could NOT find QtCore header |
| 18:57.29 | perlmonkey | hi can anyone tell me how to add sources to apt |
| 18:57.32 | aheron | what package missing?? |
| 18:57.41 | wols | ,versions rekonq |
| 18:57.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'rekonq' was found. |
| 18:57.49 | simonrvn | nsadmin: srsly ...they were in a browser too... |
| 18:57.50 | aheron | 3.0 |
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| 18:58.08 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: with an editor |
| 18:58.13 | wraith_ | perlmonkey: via '/etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 18:58.20 | perlmonkey | :-/ is there no command to reconfigure it? |
| 18:58.21 | wols | aheron: the Qt -dev package is |
| 18:58.22 | nsadmin | perlmonkey edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:58.29 | tautologico | how can I manually change the state of a package? I installed a package manually with dpkg and it returned some error during configuration, but the software is working fine. I just want to tell dpkg and apt to stop complaining about it |
| 18:58.33 | aheron | thanks |
| 18:58.36 | etzerd | I have a Dell i5 1764 with an Inter accelerator HD integrated graphic card. everytime I load ubuntu the screen is black no video. how can I solve this problem? |
| 18:58.42 | nsadmin | for what to put there and how it's formatted, man 5 sources.list |
| 18:58.45 | perlmonkey | i can't access any sources |
| 18:58.50 | wols | etzerd: by asking in #nvidia |
| 18:58.50 | nsadmin | ok |
| 18:58.58 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:58.59 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: some gui packages managers do it, but very awkwardly |
| 18:58.59 | wols | etzerd: oops, by asking in #ubuntu |
| 18:59.06 | simonrvn | package* |
| 18:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | format_c: Those are probably Debian-derived distros. Distributions like RedHat and SuSE that started out with SysV use chkconfig. |
| 18:59.09 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 18:59.13 | wraith_ | perlmonkey: You need to have root access to be able to make changes to soruces.list |
| 18:59.15 | themill | tautologico: "some error"... |
| 18:59.20 | simonrvn | what's with me and pluralising nonsense lately? |
| 18:59.22 | perlmonkey | i will do it |
| 18:59.33 | nsadmin | oh, and if you already know the reason you can't access sources, please tell |
| 18:59.35 | tautologico | the postinst script calls a program that returns an error, but the software is working all right |
| 18:59.47 | etzerd | I have a Dell i5 1764 with an Inter accelerator HD integrated graphic card. everytime I load either Debian or any other distro the screen is black no video. how can I solve this problem? |
| 19:00.05 | themill | tautologico: "an error" isn't any better than "some error". |
| 19:00.05 | etzerd | I have a Dell i5 1764 with an Intel accelerator HD integrated graphic card. everytime I load either Debian or any other distro the screen is black no video. how can I solve this problem? |
| 19:00.10 | wols | etzerd: we don't do ubuntu |
| 19:00.17 | perlmonkey | nsadmin I can access sources list but i can't access the web on that machine so i can't easily find sources to add |
| 19:00.29 | tautologico | is "Unexpected condition" better? bc that's what the program says |
| 19:00.31 | nsadmin | oh, no network? |
| 19:00.33 | simonrvn | !tell etzerd -about repeat |
| 19:00.35 | wols | aheron: do not message people unasked |
| 19:00.42 | perlmonkey | nsadmin I have network but no X |
| 19:00.46 | perlmonkey | it's a server |
| 19:00.52 | themill | tautologico: the entire output of "aptitude -f install" would be better |
| 19:00.56 | tautologico | it is working... I just want to tell dpkg to move the package to the installed state |
| 19:00.56 | nsadmin | oh, that's no problem |
| 19:01.00 | wraith_ | perlmonkey: Synaptic has an option under 'Setting > repositories' then go to 'software sources' tab |
| 19:01.08 | nsadmin | as long as wget can work, you're all set |
| 19:01.08 | wols | perlmonkey: you don't need X to install stuff... as long as you have internet access it's fine |
| 19:01.09 | aheron | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=qt-dev |
| 19:01.10 | etzerd | wols: it is nut eactly ubuntu, it is all the distros. is it a problem with the chipset? or it is too new, there's no driver for it yet? |
| 19:01.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:01.22 | aheron | whichone? |
| 19:01.27 | wols | etzerd: it is a problem with you lying. have a nice day |
| 19:01.27 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 19:01.45 | nsadmin | there's a mirror list you can just copy from |
| 19:01.48 | nsadmin | !mirrors |
| 19:01.49 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 19:01.53 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 19:01.55 | wols | perlmonkey: what repos do you want to add? |
| 19:02.01 | etzerd | wols: thanks, nice way to help people |
| 19:02.21 | nsadmin | hmm, right, that would have been a good question to ask... |
| 19:02.24 | perlmonkey | wols: what are repos? I want to add VirginMedia or UK source |
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| 19:02.30 | etzerd | that is why Microsoft will always ahead of Linux becasue of people like you |
| 19:02.39 | wols | perlmonkey: then the mirrors list is what you want. choose the UK one |
| 19:02.54 | wraith_ | etzerd: Not a good way to elicit good response |
| 19:03.06 | perlmonkey | thanks i will look and copy the sources into a text file on my server then ssh from server box to copy and paste into sources.lst |
| 19:03.09 | perlmonkey | that should work |
| 19:03.11 | wols | etzerd: I hope MS gets all users like you. they deserve you |
| 19:03.17 | etzerd | wraith_: is it a good way for wols to answer as well? |
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| 19:03.28 | nsadmin | etzerd: people like me? oh,, cool! I was hoping so! |
| 19:03.36 | themill | just drop it, guys |
| 19:04.00 | codrus | my privoxy isn't starting up at boot time in squeeze. there's an S01privoxy in rc2 thru 5 |
| 19:04.04 | nsadmin | etzerd seriously tho, you should just start over |
| 19:04.12 | wraith_ | etzerd: Please understand that people help you out of their goodwill & they are NOT paid to do so. If someone is rude, ignore them. Your aim is to get a solution & not a verbal contest |
| 19:04.24 | wols | codrus: S01 is not a good starting point for privoxy at all. use S40 or so |
| 19:04.39 | codrus | wols: just rename it right? |
| 19:04.59 | wols | codrus: you can rename the symlink yes |
| 19:05.08 | codrus | wols: k thx |
| 19:05.14 | wols | but privoxy should have added a startup script on its own |
| 19:05.23 | etzerd | wraith_: i went to ubuntu channel and ask, they told me install Debian becasue Debian support lot of more hardware than any other distro that is why I come here. |
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| 19:05.59 | wols | ubuntu people definitely don't tell anyone to install debian due to better driver support |
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| 19:06.31 | aheron | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=qt-dev anyone who knows which of the package contain qt headers?? |
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| 19:06.46 | codrus | wols: it points to /etc/init.d/privoxy. is that the startup scrip you meant? |
| 19:06.50 | simonrvn | debian only supports what's in the kernel. and i don't think #ubuntu would say that because they have 3 different base kernels and enable different drivers. |
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| 19:07.01 | themill | aheron: do you know specifically what file is missing? |
| 19:07.20 | Amarande | ... not to mention that I didn't even have smooth sailing getting all my hardware supported on this box until etch |
| 19:07.36 | wols | codrus: yes |
| 19:07.41 | nsadmin | etzerd: so you want to install debian? |
| 19:07.41 | Amarande | whenever I tried sarge, I always had to pull an etch kernel because the sarge one didn't properly support my eth0 |
| 19:07.51 | aheron | themill trying to compile rekonq take the msg Could NOT find QtCore header |
| 19:08.07 | wols | aheron: use pdo to search for qtcore |
| 19:08.11 | simonrvn | etzerd: same for ubuntu, they only support what's in the kernel (i mean upstream). so get your facts straight or people will just ignore you. |
| 19:08.22 | themill | aheron: is there a config.log or similar from ./configure? looking in that will provide further details |
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| 19:08.38 | wols | themill: qtcore.h |
| 19:08.53 | Amarande | themill: install apt-file, your sanity will appreciate it greatly |
| 19:09.08 | themill | umm... wrong person |
| 19:09.15 | etzerd | nsadmin: I did install Debian last nith and I have the same issue. I just purchase the Dell laptop from Best buy, becasue I cannot install Linux I was decide to return it and get something else or an HP with a dedicated video card, but I said let me come here and see if anyone can help me before I do so |
| 19:09.22 | Amarande | aheron: install apt-file |
| 19:09.37 | themill | aheron: keep it in the channel so that others can help too. If you need to show us things, use a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:09.40 | simonrvn | etzerd: i assume you installed lenny? |
| 19:10.08 | etzerd | simonrvn: lenny? never heard of |
| 19:10.10 | simonrvn | etzerd: very new stuff doesn't always get supported right away, but that's not so common as it used to be. |
| 19:10.26 | nsadmin | etzerd: how much time do you have before you must return it? |
| 19:10.35 | simonrvn | etzerd: stable. |
| 19:10.38 | etzerd | 14 days |
| 19:10.43 | aheron | http://pastebin.ca/1804898 |
| 19:10.55 | nsadmin | not bad. you can definitely do something in that time |
| 19:11.18 | etzerd | simonrvn: where can I get lenny? |
| 19:11.41 | nsadmin | etzerd: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 19:11.52 | wols | nsadmin: he said he has an i3/i5 with integrated graphics. still think it's enough time with a user totally new to linux? |
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| 19:12.09 | Amarande | ummmm ... what does it mean on a debian box when your speakers suddenly start making weird noises? |
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| 19:12.31 | nsadmin | wols: elaborate... what's that? do you think he should return it now? |
| 19:12.50 | nsadmin | totally new? |
| 19:12.54 | Amarande | odd, noises are gone now |
| 19:12.59 | Amarande | wonders what program did that |
| 19:13.07 | nsadmin | etzerd: what do you want to do with linux? |
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| 19:13.55 | simonrvn | Amarande: a mic near them? :P |
| 19:14.24 | etzerd | nsadmin: playing around, just like mycrosoft |
| 19:14.37 | nsadmin | like games? |
| 19:15.49 | nsadmin | or like exploring linux and seeing what you can do? |
| 19:16.39 | nsadmin | there's a huge amount of potential... so much you can learn |
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| 19:27.03 | Laynef | Hi guys |
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| 19:28.37 | Laynef | just a question, I'm on debian sid 64 and installed wine, it works OK. I thought there was some problem with wine on 64 systems, is the package a 32 bit version ? |
| 19:28.52 | Laynef | s/64/64 bits/g |
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| 19:30.16 | wols | Laynef: not for quite a long time now. your WINE is a simple 32bit app |
| 19:30.18 | wols | that's all |
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| 19:32.05 | Laynef | wols: ok that's what I thought, thank you |
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| 19:34.31 | HSorgYves | does anyone know of an srs or rpr implementation (using milter or content filter) for postfix? |
| 19:35.02 | wols | HSorgYves: I'd ask #postfix |
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| 19:39.30 | niriven | does anyone know if that nvidia-glx problem in testing/unstable is going to get fixed or will i always need module-assistant now? |
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| 19:41.43 | asttrrhas | please... at the debian instalation, is it possible to select each package that will be installed instead of install just a pack of packages "base system"? |
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| 19:43.33 | wols | base system is mandatory. after base system, the stuff you get via tasksel is fully optional |
| 19:43.54 | wols | just don't select anything there and install slectively with aptitude what you want after the installation |
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| 19:44.15 | asttrrhas | wols: got it... so if i dont need something at base system, i am supposed to install the base system and after that remove manually? |
| 19:44.41 | themill | asttrrhas: everything in the base system is required. What are you trying to remove? |
| 19:44.46 | wols | no. base system is mandatory. and without the stuff in there your debian will not run. all of this is really really needed |
| 19:45.10 | themill | In practice, the "standard" task should also be installed as it contains things that are considered "normal" on every unix-like environment |
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| 19:45.23 | asttrrhas | python, for example themill |
| 19:45.35 | themill | asttrrhas: that's not in the base system in debian. |
| 19:45.54 | themill | it is, however, in ubuntu, so perhaps you really wanted #ubuntu? |
| 19:46.15 | asttrrhas | i installed debian netinst, just the base system... and i have this package installed here |
| 19:46.58 | asttrrhas | but it is ok |
| 19:47.00 | asttrrhas | i got the ida |
| 19:47.03 | asttrrhas | *idea |
| 19:47.14 | asttrrhas | thank you very much, guys! :) |
| 19:47.17 | wols | asttrrhas: not true. at the end there is a selection which allows you to install things like "desktop" "webserver" "standard" etc. that is the only place where python can come frm in the installation |
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| 19:48.48 | asttrrhas | wols: hmmm well, i selected nothing but the base system... but i'll check it again |
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| 19:49.22 | wols | asttrrhas: you cannot select the base system. it is always installed without you doing anything |
| 19:49.53 | asttrrhas | wols: ya, that is what i did |
| 19:49.55 | themill | asttrrhas: by "base" do you mean "standard"? |
| 19:50.33 | HSorgYves | wois: thx, they don't know of any |
| 19:50.39 | asttrrhas | hmmm no... at the instalation, the instaler installs the "base system" and after that shows a screen to select "desktop, etc". I selected none of such options |
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| 19:53.44 | asttrrhas | in order to end with the minimum system as possible, what should I do? |
| 19:54.10 | petemc | dont install anything you dont need |
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| 19:59.22 | nsadmin | asttrrhas install only the base |
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| 20:01.55 | wols | asttrrhas: I just checked. the netinst.iso doesn't contain python. so simply install netinst while unplugging your network cable |
| 20:02.14 | wols | qand you have to actively deselect stuff at the end with tasksel |
| 20:02.20 | nsadmin | but you're still not saying what your goal is |
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| 20:02.46 | wols | his goal is a minimal debian install, for whatever reason |
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| 20:02.58 | politie | good evening |
| 20:03.29 | nsadmin | entails questions like... why do you want the minimum, what do you want to use it for, we'll start with those |
| 20:03.30 | wols | dunno if it's good. still has 3 hours to get fucked up |
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| 20:04.03 | asttrrhas | wols: got it! do u think is better to use netinst, or it is the same using netinst or the debian cd in order to isntall just the base? |
| 20:04.09 | politie | i have a configure error named configure: error: ssl.h not found, what do i need to install to make this go away? |
| 20:04.24 | wols | what do you mean "the debian cd"? |
| 20:04.47 | wols | politie: you need the package that contains ssl.h. see packages.debian.org what does |
| 20:04.51 | asttrrhas | wols: Debian CD1, Debian DVD1, or something like this |
| 20:04.56 | wols | it's some ssl library dev package |
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| 20:05.09 | wols | asttrrhas: I always use the netinst. least stuff to download |
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| 20:06.05 | asttrrhas | wols: tyvm!!! :) |
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| 20:06.37 | politie | wols, thank you, hope this works :) |
| 20:06.44 | nsadmin | asttrrhas still curious as to why you want just the base |
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| 20:07.35 | wols | asttrrhas: after installation make sure you configure apt to not install "recommended" packages |
| 20:07.45 | asttrrhas | nsadmin: it is a good security practice to install just the needed things... just because of it |
| 20:07.48 | wols | nsadmin: easy: tasksel is a POS |
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| 20:08.01 | asttrrhas | wols: ty :) |
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| 20:08.28 | nsadmin | I suppose that mainly, that means server programs |
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| 20:08.50 | wols | nsadmin: I do it on every installation |
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| 20:10.37 | codrus | is there a command like like renice, works for network priority? |
| 20:10.58 | Amarande | does linux even have network prioritization by default? |
| 20:12.29 | petemc | you can do rate limiting |
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| 20:12.48 | petemc | !cbq |
| 20:12.49 | dpkg | [cbq] Class Based Queueing, a queuing method for traffic control. Like limiting or reserving bandwith for a certain kind of traffic. A CBQ can contains multiple classes, which contain other queues themself |
| 20:13.25 | wols | Amarande: it does. for several years now |
| 20:13.39 | chops1 | This is a reask from a week or two ago (I'm finally getting back to this project) -- does anyone know a good way to get rsync to authenticate against LDAP? I'm currently setting up an rsync-over-ssh server in a heavily bind-mounted chroot, but that certainly doesn't seem like the simplest solution. |
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| 20:19.10 | eptalon | hello folx |
| 20:20.09 | eptalon | Given a "bin/cue" format, is there a program that can create media files based on that info; witohut the need to write to a physical disk? |
| 20:20.20 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: http://markmail.org/message/vdsqfpuvmr5izamx |
| 20:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: http://www.mail-archive.com/rsync%40lists.samba.org/msg06515.html |
| 20:20.49 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I looked at that (even ported it to a modern rsync) but it requires keeping plaintext passwords in LDAP |
| 20:20.59 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Using ssh seems better |
| 20:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: You would have to patch rsync to get actual authentication agianst an ldap server. You can store rsync/ssh keys in ldap. |
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| 20:23.07 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, that's the plan (ssh)... but I don't see an alternative to using a chroot if I want (a) to keep my existing non-LDAP ssh server unmolested and (b) to carefully restrict what rsync-enabled users are able to access |
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| 20:27.27 | asttrusshh | you were right, guys... there is no python at the debian base system... maybe i installed standard packages also. thank you very much |
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| 20:32.34 | nsadmin | the base is under 140mb compressed |
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| 20:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | Some distros use it for their utility scripts. |
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| 20:38.07 | asttrusshh | i got a 280Mb i think with just the base |
| 20:38.38 | asttrusshh | (after installed, of course) |
| 20:38.40 | nsadmin | the image was 280 mb? |
| 20:38.46 | asttrusshh | no |
| 20:38.50 | asttrusshh | the result system |
| 20:38.52 | asttrusshh | df -h |
| 20:38.58 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:39.06 | asttrusshh | nice size |
| 20:42.53 | asttrusshh | nsadmin: just installed: 346 Mb (df -h) |
| 20:43.16 | nsadmin | so you're installing more stuff :) |
| 20:43.37 | asttrusshh | nsadmin: if u remove all .deb at /var/cache/apt/archieves u end with a 304 Mb system |
| 20:44.18 | nsadmin | so the downloaded .debs were about 42 mb |
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| 20:47.33 | asttrusshh | nsadmin: 139 packages |
| 20:48.02 | asttrusshh | this with the normal install, not in expert mode (maybe there is more things here, like the popularity context, more modules, etc) |
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| 20:48.26 | pierre_le | have 3492 .deb, 2764MB in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:49.16 | leejongwook | have 1.8 GB deb in /home/leejongwook/documents/linux/debian.preconfigured/install |
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| 21:03.53 | chops1 | Hm; is there a way to run two ssh servers with different configurations in PAM? |
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| 21:08.16 | nvz | does anyone know of any software in debian that would act as a drumkit with triggers? I know about hydrogen, but thats a sequencer. I'm talking about hooking an actual drum pad to the machine and having it trigger when I hit it.. |
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| 21:10.51 | nvz | I could probably write a program to do this relatively easily. its as simple as polling a device node and playing a sound effect asynchronusly. would probably be 4 lines of code in python.. heh |
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| 21:15.27 | simonrvn | nvz: there's some multimedia repo (not dmm) that has all kinds of s/w. rarwares maybe, or some other place... |
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| 21:16.48 | diabel- | Hi |
| 21:17.41 | eptalon | hello |
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| 21:20.31 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 21:21.09 | krakhen | !rtfm |
| 21:21.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 21:24.58 | jpapertowel | okay so I used software raid to create a 100 MB RAID1 ext4 /boot partition, a 1.5 TB RAID0 ext4 / partition, and a 4 GB swap partition - now I go to install grub and it fails...what command should I be using to install grub? |
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| 21:26.59 | leejongwook | hi :) |
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| 21:29.47 | isnich | if os == "*debian*" then rm -rf / fi ^^ |
| 21:31.00 | leejongwook | what is fi ? |
| 21:31.16 | isnich | pseudo-shellskript |
| 21:31.25 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 21:32.12 | leejongwook | isnich, do you know how to install Debian without using CD ? |
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| 21:32.28 | hayleyw | when i insert a usb flash drive, i get autoboot failed permission denied, even though the user is part of user disk. how do i fix this? |
| 21:32.36 | isnich | why dont u all just install a real os like gentoo.. no more stress with those pseudo-stable packages from 19xx ^^ |
| 21:32.54 | streuner | !ops isnich is trolling |
| 21:32.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: isnich is trolling |
| 21:33.05 | isnich | x_x |
| 21:33.07 | leejongwook | isnich, gentoo must be harder :P |
| 21:33.12 | leejongwook | x_x |
| 21:33.17 | abrotman | isnich: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 21:33.26 | hayleyw | i do :P |
| 21:33.35 | RichiH | abrotman: i fear not |
| 21:33.42 | isnich | hmm.. not yet.. anymore.. since i installed.. gentoo ^^ |
| 21:33.51 | leejongwook | hehe.. |
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| 21:34.08 | streuner | thanks |
| 21:34.12 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 21:34.20 | streuner | hayleyw: vfat? |
| 21:34.39 | hayleyw | streuner, yes |
| 21:34.51 | leejongwook | never seen people kicks people here :( |
| 21:34.59 | leejongwook | surprised |
| 21:35.09 | streuner | hayleyw: just try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 21:36.03 | peterrooney | leejongwook: it's not -often- than people come here with a filled flamethrower |
| 21:36.39 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 21:37.20 | leejongwook | he won't come back to Debian anymore since someone kicked him out :( |
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| 21:38.04 | leejongwook | i feel like i lost one good user |
| 21:39.11 | streuner | s(he) wasnt a good user, just a troll. Please dont forget this about. |
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| 21:40.11 | peterrooney | not at all. lost a user who is dismissive of debian. I'm not dismissive of gentoo (or arch, or redhat), I just havent' found them needful for what I want to do. |
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| 21:40.57 | chops1 | Hm, so looking at the openssh source it looks like it uses the program name to determine what PAM module to use... but Debian ships with /etc/pam.d/ssh (and looks like it intends that to be used to configure the ssh server auth) instead of /etc/pam.d/sshd. |
| 21:40.59 | Heraldnu | hey guys, check this out http://www.ihatehayley.com/index.php?id=0d560d71dfe3717c4baf54eea22a8933 |
| 21:41.06 | Lazeea | hey everyone |
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| 21:41.43 | Lazeea | www.lazeea.blogspot.com |
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| 21:42.22 | chops1 | !op Lazeea |
| 21:42.23 | leejongwook | x_x well that was reasonable kick. |
| 21:42.34 | chops1 | Er |
| 21:42.43 | chops1 | !ops Lazeea |
| 21:42.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: chops1 complains about: Lazeea |
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| 21:43.30 | streuner | debhelper just kicked Lazeea twice out |
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| 21:44.07 | amphi | leejongwook: heh, you see much bloodshed |
| 21:44.23 | leejongwook | x_x yes, i'm scared a little |
| 21:44.50 | jpapertowel | sigh, I can get windows support much easier than linux support :( |
| 21:45.11 | streuner | heh |
| 21:45.25 | streuner | jpapaer: i doubt that |
| 21:45.29 | jpapertowel | come to think of it, I don't even need support for windows |
| 21:45.50 | leejongwook | what if i don't understand English fully and what if i throw a stupid newbie questions here, will someone kick/ban me from here ? |
| 21:45.58 | chops1 | Is it team trolling day or something? |
| 21:46.06 | streuner | seems so |
| 21:46.09 | streuner | sunday |
| 21:46.13 | jelly-home | leejongwook: we might end up asking what your native language is |
| 21:46.14 | amphi | leejongwook: I would doubt it |
| 21:46.40 | chops1 | leejongwook: No one will kick you for asking stupid questions; repeatedly saying "Debian sucks" is generally grounds for kicking (simply because it distracts from more substantive conversation) |
| 21:47.00 | leejongwook | :P ok.. |
| 21:47.34 | chops1 | streuner: School's not in session today perhaps :-) |
| 21:47.38 | jpapertowel | all I want is to know how to install grub with a software raid1 boot partition and I've asked in like 3 distro channels and no one will tell me :( |
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| 21:48.07 | chops1 | jpapertowel: (a) What distro are you using? (b) _Never_ start a support request by whining about how no one will help you -- start it by asking your question. |
| 21:48.21 | jpapertowel | I did ask the question, look up in the chat |
| 21:48.32 | jpapertowel | okay so I used software raid to create a 100 MB RAID1 ext4 /boot partition, a 1.5 TB RAID0 ext4 / partition, and a 4 GB swap partition - now I go to install grub and it fails...what command should I be using to install grub? |
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| 21:50.48 | chops1 | jpapertowel: I didn't think it was much different than installing to a standard block device (though I've never used software RAID for /boot -- part of the idea of having a separate /boot partition is to be able to keep things simple on it) |
| 21:51.11 | chops1 | jpapertowel: What are you telling grub-install, and what error does it give you? Also, again, what distro are you using? |
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| 21:51.29 | jpapertowel | sid, the installer is telling it (hd0) |
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| 21:56.46 | octo_ | i get tilp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libticables2.so.1: undefined symbol: usb_debug, is it related to kernel debug, or user debug? is there a way to hack it to work ? |
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| 21:58.12 | jelly-home | octo_: it's related to that library, and the binary app being built against a differeny version for that library |
| 21:58.49 | jelly-home | octo_: which package and package version is "tilp" from? |
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| 21:59.02 | chops1 | jpapertowel: That by itself doesn't tell me anything useful -- you're installing to (hd0), yes, but you have to give me enough information to see what might be going wrong. If you're setting everything up in the installer and it just isn't working from there, it's likely an installer bug. You still haven't told anyone what the exact malfunction is. |
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| 21:59.59 | jpapertowel | chops1: grub's error message is just "This is a fatal error".... |
| 22:00.55 | RichiH | is there a way to add apt sources in a dynamic way? i.e. if i am at home, i want to use my local deb-proxy |
| 22:01.12 | RichiH | if my laptop is at work or elsewhere, i want to access my normal mirror |
| 22:01.24 | micket1 | Hello. I'm using debian unstable, intel graphics; Xrandr gives me the correct resolutions for my TV (connected through HMDI), but when i use the correct (1920x1080) resolution, the picture doesn't match properly on my TV. It's offset to the left by some 100 pixels, and it's stretched in height spo i'm missing part of the screen- |
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| 22:01.36 | micket1 | Any hints on where to start debugging would be appreciated. |
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| 22:01.47 | chops1 | micket1: You should file a bug in xorg's bugzilla IMO |
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| 22:04.32 | octo_ | jelly-home: well, this particular app was in suse in ther repos along with the matching libs, it happens in ubuntu also, and when trying to compile it as well. seems the src code is messed the way use the library ? |
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| 22:06.18 | chops1 | octo_: You'll have to go to the people you got the source code from then |
| 22:06.24 | jelly-home | octo_: I cannot comment of what happens with other distros, but if building it from source results in the same message, that may indicate an issue with code, yes. |
| 22:06.53 | jelly-home | s/of/about/ |
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| 22:08.00 | tobe | can some1 tell me how I can define in netatalk/avahi which afp-shares should by displayed as which device? |
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| 22:08.22 | tobe | i want to simulate two machine on my only debian |
| 22:08.41 | octo_ | jelly-home: i know, I also use debian, I just havent tryed this app in there, and the people in here just seem more knowledgable. I appreciate you helping me understand what the prob most likely is. |
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| 22:12.56 | hayleyw | i remember hearing of a way to upgrade kernel's alsa without upgrading the kernel. how can i do this? |
| 22:15.11 | Boohbah | hayleyw: alsa modules. |
| 22:15.20 | Boohbah | hayleyw: installed with apt |
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| 22:18.10 | lk | Hi all. I'm thinking of swapping my OS drive for another HDD. If I rsync my OS drive's contents while booted from a liveCD and install grub to the new HDD's MBR, would that work? |
| 22:18.28 | lk | They're not identical drives, so I can't just clone the drives. |
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| 22:18.43 | MariachiAC | hello. i'm trying to do a debian install with deboot strap. i've done this so far debootstrap lenny /target |
| 22:18.43 | MariachiAC | debian_mirror. the base system installed successfully, however... I'm not able to do MAKEDEV generic. I've chrooted into the |
| 22:18.43 | MariachiAC | system by doing LANG=C chroot /target /bin/bash. How can I make the generic device files in /dev? |
| 22:18.49 | rvsjoen | anyone know the easiest way to install an older version of xorg through apt ? |
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| 22:19.29 | rvsjoen | or if its even possible |
| 22:19.49 | MariachiAC | hello. i'm trying to do a debian install with deboot strap. i've done this so far debootstrap lenny /target debian_mirror. the base system installed successfully, however... I'm not able to do MAKEDEV generic. I've chrooted into the system by doing LANG=C chroot /target /bin/bash. How can I make the generic device files in /dev? |
| 22:19.50 | jpapertowel | how do I run grub shell |
| 22:20.05 | jpapertowel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.03 | rvsjoen | umm, why is /bin/sh trying to execute grub ? |
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| 22:21.47 | rvsjoen | last time I checked, 'grub' was a binary, not a shell scripts |
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| 22:23.01 | jpapertowel | well i don't knwo how to run stuff from a rescue mode debian cd |
| 22:23.08 | jpapertowel | would you be kind enough to tell me how? |
| 22:23.10 | hayleyw | Boohbah, thanks, worked |
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| 22:24.38 | Boohbah | hayleyw: yw |
| 22:24.46 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: canæt you just type 'grub' ? |
| 22:25.21 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: uhh, no? it just says /bin/sh: grub: not found like I said |
| 22:25.48 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: what does 'which grub' say |
| 22:26.09 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: /bin/sh: which: not found |
| 22:26.42 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: can you run any commands at all ? |
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| 22:27.18 | jpapertowel | bg break cd chdir command continue echo eval, basically the built in busybox commands |
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| 22:27.39 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: don't know how to switch to a terminal |
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| 22:28.22 | rvsjoen | ok, I dont know what's on the rescue cd, but if you can mount and chroot to the root partition of the system you are trying to rescue, you should be able to run grub from there |
| 22:28.32 | jelly-home | MariachiAC: how does MAKEDEV fail? |
| 22:29.07 | rvsjoen | arg, I really need to install an older version of xorg, does anyone know if the package management supports features for this ? |
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| 22:29.38 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: how do I chroot |
| 22:30.04 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: first mount the root partition, and then just 'chroot <path>', assuming you have the chroot command that is :P |
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| 22:30.35 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: so I chroot / (since I'm in my root partition already)? |
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| 22:31.08 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: you said you were booted on the rescue cd, isnt that the case ? |
| 22:31.49 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: yes and I picked the option on the rescue cd that opened a shell in my root partition |
| 22:32.59 | rvsjoen | jpapertowel: ok, so as long as grub in installed you should have /usr/sbin/grub |
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| 22:37.51 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: grub is installed and I have no grub in /usr/sbin |
| 22:38.10 | rvsjoen | how do you know grub is installed |
| 22:38.32 | _KaszpiR_ | man grub |
| 22:38.33 | rvsjoen | does 'dpkg -L | grep grub' tell you its installed ? |
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| 22:39.33 | SiNiESTrO | dpkg -L "*grub*" |
| 22:39.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching "*grub*" |
| 22:40.16 | jelly-home | rvsjoen: -l |
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| 22:40.39 | rvsjoen | oh yes, sorry |
| 22:40.49 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: dpkg -L grub returns some files in /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 22:40.54 | SiNiESTrO | doh! |
| 22:41.04 | jpapertowel | rvsjoen: aptitude says grub is installed |
| 22:41.39 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: what about dpkg -l grub\*|grep '^.i' |
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| 22:43.22 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: ii grub 0.97-60 GRand Unified Bootloader, ii grub-common 1.98~20100128-1.2 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common) and grub-pc same version as common |
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| 22:43.59 | rvsjoen | i'm gonna try this one more time, does anyone know how or if it is even possible to 'downgrade' xserver-xorg from 1.7.X to 1.6.5 ? |
| 22:45.03 | rvsjoen | the simple reason being that fglrx is broken against xorg 1.7 |
| 22:45.28 | jpapertowel | i would like to know if this is possible as well ^ |
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| 22:46.03 | rvsjoen | there is alot of information on the interwebs about pinning and keeping versions, but not installing older ones |
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| 22:46.44 | jpapertowel | i heard the fglrx 10.2 in ubuntu repos somehow supports 1.7 |
| 22:46.54 | rvsjoen | seriously ? |
| 22:47.05 | b4|hraban | Hello. A few years ago, Debian made an announcement about changing from glic to eglic, if I recall correctly. Did that happen, in the end? |
| 22:47.17 | b4|hraban | whoops: *glibc, *eglibc |
| 22:47.22 | rvsjoen | I thought we were waiting for a fix to be made by AMD |
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| 22:47.44 | jpapertowel | i could be wrong, but I just hear that people are able to run fglrx on lucid and I assume lucid uses 1.7 *meh* |
| 22:48.53 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: and does grub-pc package contain /usr/sbin/grub or something similar (grub-install)? |
| 22:48.53 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: how do i find that out |
| 22:49.11 | themill | b4|hraban: squeeze has been using eglibc for many months now |
| 22:49.17 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: dpkg -L packagename lists the contents of a package. |
| 22:49.23 | b4|hraban | themill, awesome |
| 22:50.40 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: it contains grub-install, update-grub2, grub-setup, update-grub, grub-set-default, grub-reboot, update-from-grub-legacy in /usr/sbin |
| 22:51.02 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: use grub-install? |
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| 22:52.07 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: it's telling me that dev isn't mounted lol |
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| 22:53.06 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: i assume i didn't do something that i should have done before i chrooted to my mounted root partition? |
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| 22:56.29 | rvsjoen | anyone remember the name for the open source ati radeon mobility driver package ? |
| 22:57.09 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: it's possible; how many files are there in /dev? more than 50-100, or less than 20? |
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| 22:57.31 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: i'd say around 30 |
| 22:57.52 | b4|hraban | hmm, that's strange... |
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| 22:58.02 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: it's mostly just ramN |
| 22:58.13 | b4|hraban | I count >9000! |
| 22:59.11 | jpapertowel | someone told me yesterday something like "for i in sys proc dev do ;mount something ;done" and it worked |
| 22:59.14 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: hmn does running "/sbin/MAKEDEV generic" change anything (it will take some time) |
| 23:00.07 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: outside of chroot, you'd do mount --bind $i /target/$i (/target/ being the directory where your system is mounted) |
| 23:01.08 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: so, for i in sys proc dev ;mount --bind $i /mnt/$i ;done |
| 23:01.38 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: make that for i in /sys /proc /dev ;mount --bind $i /mnt/$i ;done |
| 23:02.00 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: make that for i in /sys /proc /dev; do mount --bind $i /mnt/$i ;done |
| 23:02.13 | jelly-home | or just do them manually |
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| 23:04.22 | leejongwook | will i be able to use Debian with apt if i unchecked 'Standard system' during installation time @_@ ? |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:05.10 | jpapertowel | leejongwook: yes, it works perfectly fine |
| 23:05.14 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 23:05.22 | leejongwook | :x |
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| 23:05.47 | themill | leejongwook: you should, however, install the "standard" task as that contains things should be installed on every unix-like machine |
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| 23:06.08 | leejongwook | i see :) i thought you're gone |
| 23:06.22 | leejongwook | i was checking your status :P |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | stalker |
| 23:06.30 | leejongwook | x_x |
| 23:06.40 | jpapertowel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.28 | leejongwook | how about boot loader ? can i click on <NO>? |
| 23:07.55 | leejongwook | <-- likes minimal system, want to start over from it. |
| 23:08.09 | jpapertowel | you'll need a boot loader to boot your minimal system still, lol |
| 23:08.16 | leejongwook | i see :) |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | !tell leejongwook about ig |
| 23:10.07 | jelly-home | jpapertowel: now find someone who knows more about grub2 to help with that |
| 23:10.55 | jpapertowel | jelly-home: no one who knows grub knows mdadm :( |
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| 23:11.35 | tehshiznix | hai guise |
| 23:12.06 | tehshiznix | is it possible to run debian entirely on a usb stick? if so, i need to know if this is feasible for my purpose |
| 23:12.21 | b4|hraban | tehshiznix, unetbootin |
| 23:12.29 | tehshiznix | is that a yes or a no? |
| 23:12.45 | b4|hraban | that is a "yes, unetbootin does that" |
| 23:12.48 | leejongwook | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 23:12.59 | tehshiznix | ok, i presume this depends on my computer's bios capabilities too, right? |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | tehshiznix: yes, it is |
| 23:13.09 | b4|hraban | tehshiznix, it depends on a lot of things |
| 23:13.11 | jelly-home | tehshiznix: that's a tangent. You can install on any block device your system can boot from. |
| 23:13.19 | tehshiznix | ok |
| 23:13.22 | tehshiznix | cool |
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| 23:13.50 | user113 | I'm upgrading from lenny to sid. In upgrading I recieve this error message Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_151-2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- how can I fix? |
| 23:13.56 | jelly-home | b4|hraban: unetbootin is a helper for bootable isos, not for a normal system installation |
| 23:14.15 | b4|hraban | it helps you to boot from USB |
| 23:14.36 | tehshiznix | now, my purpose is: i have a small fileserver at home. its motherboard (fairly new) has 6 SATA ports and i want to use them all for a RAID 5 setup. the server does nothing apart from being a network router and a samba server. can i run debian from a usb stick without ahving to worry about anything? |
| 23:14.53 | jelly-home | !tell user113 about squeeze udev |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | user113: if you're going to use sid/unstable, you sohuld already know how to find/fix that issue (reading the error might help) |
| 23:15.21 | user113 | abrotman: manually installing udev? |
| 23:15.33 | abrotman | did you actually read the error ? |
| 23:15.48 | Enverex | I'm trying to install FGLRX but it tries to remove xorg which obviously conflicts with itself. IS there any way around this? (fglrx-driver says it requires >=1:7.4 and I have 7.5 installed so I don't see the conflict) |
| 23:16.12 | user113 | abrotman: from what I understand, that error is caused by a dependency problem? |
| 23:16.20 | abrotman | or don't read .. |
| 23:16.42 | rvsjoen | enverex: its broken, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564444 |
| 23:16.48 | rvsjoen | I have the same proble,m |
| 23:17.05 | user113 | Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev. |
| 23:17.19 | rvsjoen | seems the only fix is to install an older version of xorg or wait until AMD makes a fix |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | or not use fglrx |
| 23:18.12 | Enverex | rvsjoen, Balls. I suspected it was that but the way it was erroring made it look like something else. I thought if it just needed an older version of Xorg, that it would just install it |
| 23:18.34 | Enverex | abrotman, Card is a 4850. Support for 3D isn't usable |
| 23:18.44 | rvsjoen | so far I have not been able to find a way to 'downgrade' xorg through apt |
| 23:18.51 | abrotman | i didn't imply you should use 3d |
| 23:19.10 | Enverex | rvsjoen, Would 7.3 work? |
| 23:19.27 | jelly-home | rvsjoen: just force installing a lower version (which has to be available in a repo) |
| 23:19.50 | rvsjoen | enverex: dont know, the problem is between fglrx and xorg 1.7, so I doubt it |
| 23:19.59 | jelly-home | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 23:20.01 | judd | xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.7.4-2; sid: 2:1.7.5-1 |
| 23:20.10 | Enverex | rvsjoen, Right, but is 7.3 1.6... that was my point |
| 23:20.27 | rvsjoen | enverex: oh, didnt know that, I dont know then, but I guess it might |
| 23:20.41 | jelly-home | rvsjoen: eg. if you have stable repositories enabled, you could aptitude install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.4.2-10.lenny2 |
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| 23:21.31 | rvsjoen | jelly-home: i'll probably give that a go, thanks |
| 23:21.56 | Enverex | rvsjoen, It wont work |
| 23:22.11 | Bink | Debian newbie here... I've moved my HD from one machine to another. eth0 and 1 are now eth2 and 3. how do I prevent this? |
| 23:22.22 | Enverex | rvsjoen, Just tried it. Trying to downgrade xorg-server-core tries to remove xorg. Trying to downgrade Xorg removes EVERYTHING that requires X... ugh |
| 23:22.57 | rvsjoen | enverex: ok, then ill probably just have to bite the apple and wait patiently |
| 23:23.00 | jelly-home | Bink: update this file: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 23:23.00 | rvsjoen | :P |
| 23:23.18 | Bink | jelly-home, I'll review. thanks for the direction. |
| 23:23.21 | jelly-home | Enverex: that's expected |
| 23:23.23 | leejongwook | i need more cd @_@ i'll see how many installation cd i need to install minimal system under no network system. |
| 23:23.50 | Enverex | jelly-home, Erm, how do you get around it? |
| 23:23.52 | rvsjoen | leejongwook: define a minimal system, you only need the netinstall cd |
| 23:24.11 | jelly-home | Enverex: you don't? |
| 23:24.32 | jelly-home | !sdo |
| 23:24.32 | dpkg | http://stabile.debian.org:5001/ (soon to be http://snapshots.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 23:24.52 | leejongwook | rvsjoen, can i install minimal system with netinstall cd without using internet ? |
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| 23:25.13 | jelly-home | leejongwook: yes |
| 23:25.22 | leejongwook | cool @_@ didn't know that. |
| 23:25.42 | jelly-home | that's what netinst image carries, the base system |
| 23:25.42 | Enverex | jelly-home, Seems an odd thing to suggest if you know it wont work... |
| 23:26.12 | leejongwook | so i can spread it out with a single netinstall cd only :) |
| 23:26.27 | jelly-home | Enverex: that's why it was an example showing the syntax, not a proper solution |
| 23:26.44 | leejongwook | really nice @_@ |
| 23:26.51 | Enverex | Ahh |
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| 23:27.16 | cire | how may I see which options are passed to an loaded module? |
| 23:27.34 | cire | I used pwc with some options, and now would like to see if they are loaded correctly |
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| 23:30.05 | cire | okay, found /sys/module/pwc |
| 23:30.32 | Bink | jelly-home, that was it. thanks. |
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| 23:36.53 | leejongwook | people should know about Debian/Linux so they will have fair enough choice |
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| 23:42.31 | leejongwook | nobody was able to tell me about this great system. i regret that i used microsoft os for long time. i wish i could find people who wants to know. |
| 23:43.00 | pthreat | hi, is there some script I could use for migrating from one distro to debian ? |
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| 23:44.02 | streuner | !debootstrap |
| 23:44.03 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 23:52.52 | RickRocK | how i can add a user with password on centos to connect with this user with ssh ? |
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| 23:53.40 | user113 | I'm upgrading from lenny to sid. In upgrading I recieve this error message Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_151-2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- I've tried upgrading kernel |
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