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| 00:01.46 | macrobat | there is oss4, i think it needs compiling on lenny |
| 00:01.51 | mattis | Is there a IRC channel specifically for dpkg? |
| 00:02.07 | chops | genoobie: I asked you several questions above about ALSA which you didn't answer... in general, you should go the extra mile if you want people to donate their time to help you |
| 00:02.11 | chops | mattis: You're in it :-) |
| 00:02.27 | macrobat | mattis: you mean "/query dpkg" ? :D |
| 00:02.56 | genoobie | chops sorry, I 'm working on it |
| 00:03.13 | genoobie | I really new and it's difficult to generate answers... |
| 00:03.22 | mattis | Ah :-) Okay. Would it be possible to create an arbitrary directory, chroot into it as a regular user, and install applications into that new root? I am just playing around with an idea for portable applications |
| 00:03.28 | genoobie | alsa is installed |
| 00:03.34 | genoobie | it's not setup though |
| 00:03.44 | genoobie | modprobe generates a module not found |
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| 00:04.51 | macrobat | mattis: debootstrap is used to create a Debian base system |
| 00:05.00 | stew | mattis: you mean an arbitrary directory that has /bin /lib /var/lib/dpkg directories already existing? |
| 00:05.10 | genoobie | I'm probably going to have to create a custom kernel |
| 00:05.12 | macrobat | i havent tried it, though |
| 00:05.23 | genoobie | stew will making a custom kernel fix this problem? |
| 00:05.32 | stew | genoobie: which problem? |
| 00:05.44 | Laeborg | I have some files on one server, that I need to move over to another server (will run this as cronjob) but how? the file must be moved not copied |
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| 00:06.03 | genoobie | the sound (or lack of it) |
| 00:06.03 | mattis | stew: something like that, yes. I was just remembering I used to chroot to my base debian installation when installing from a live cd, to add i.e. dmraid support. I was thinking, maybe this technique could be used to create really portable applications on a USB stick? |
| 00:06.07 | Eioo | anyone with a knowledge on install debian on a power pc? |
| 00:06.17 | genoobie | I was going to try this |
| 00:06.19 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 00:06.29 | genoobie | based on what reisio told me |
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| 00:07.19 | Eioo | I own a PowerPC G5 and I tried install64 but after detecting hardware the system halts when it says LinuxPPC64 |
| 00:07.33 | stew | genoobie: just rebuilding the same kernel,probably won't help |
| 00:07.48 | stew | genoobie: you said that a newer kernel would work? |
| 00:08.05 | genoobie | someone mentioned that .31+ has support for it |
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| 00:08.34 | Justin | genoobie: what is 'it'? |
| 00:08.42 | genoobie | sound card |
| 00:08.45 | stew | a crystal sound sound chip |
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| 00:08.58 | stew | genoobie: what version of the kernel is available via backports? |
| 00:09.03 | Laeborg | !passwordless ssh |
| 00:09.09 | genoobie | up to .30 |
| 00:09.13 | genoobie | that's lenny backports |
| 00:09.18 | genoobie | I didn't try others |
| 00:09.19 | Justin | genoobie: oh really? is which sound card it is a secret? |
| 00:09.22 | mattis | stew: what do you think about that idea? I'm just tired of setting up firefox, thunderbird, dropbox, keepassx and other applications on every computer I use. Was thinking maybe using dpkg in a chroot directory (USB stick) could do it? |
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| 00:09.43 | stew | mattis: i don't understand how you propose that would work |
| 00:09.47 | genoobie | Justin, ha its a crystal sound chip 46xx series |
| 00:10.01 | Justin | !+hcl |
| 00:10.01 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 00:10.05 | Justin | you did that? |
| 00:10.11 | genoobie | cirrus logic that is |
| 00:10.13 | genoobie | no |
| 00:10.18 | mattis | stew: it wouldn't work with only that, but I was wondering if the basic idea is sound? |
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| 00:10.33 | Justin | go here http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 00:11.00 | stew | mattis: you can install debian packages into a debian install, do "chroot into a directory and install them there" works if and only if that directory has debian installed in it |
| 00:11.23 | macrobat | !debootstrap |
| 00:11.23 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 00:11.27 | stew | genoobie: then ye the "how to rebuild a debian kernel package" will work if you use the kernel from unstable |
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| 00:11.44 | stew | genoobie: but then you could probably just install the kernel from unstable if you are careful to only install the kernel from unstable |
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| 00:12.08 | genoobie | stew ok |
| 00:12.19 | genoobie | Justin it says .31 onward the card is supported |
| 00:12.37 | genoobie | stew, my 2 year old is running amok, I have to go will be back later |
| 00:12.39 | mattis | stew / macrobat: ah, I see. Well, maybe the USB stick should have the basic debian system on it. I'm only on debian based systems anyway |
| 00:12.49 | stew | genoobie: but this also means that I'd expect you to be able to build a newer alsa (not an older one like you were trying to do) |
| 00:13.12 | stew | genoobie: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 00:13.22 | Interphase | when I suspend debian then wake it up, the display doesn't turn on |
| 00:13.37 | stew | Interphase: does it come back if you switch to a vt and back? |
| 00:13.55 | Interphase | stew, a vt? |
| 00:14.12 | mattis | stew: if you were to go about creating truly portable applications with as little fuss as possible, how would you go about it? |
| 00:14.35 | macrobat | vt=virtual terminal |
| 00:15.02 | Interphase | macrobat, stew, I haven't tried that |
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| 00:15.43 | stew | Interphase: if it works you can put "chvt 1 ; chvt 7" in your resume scripts |
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| 00:16.03 | stew | Interphase: or have a look at vbetool perhaps |
| 00:16.17 | stew | mattis: write them in a language that runs in a vm or interpreted |
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| 00:17.30 | mattis | stew: oh sorry, I was unprecise. I was thinking about existing applications, but making them portable with as little fuss as possible |
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| 00:17.59 | macrobat | mattis: maybe you can roll your own live cd http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:18.10 | stew | mattis: i'd probably make packages which make them easy to install in a standard system |
| 00:18.20 | stew | mattis: perhaps let the packages run scripts when you install them or remove them |
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| 00:19.49 | Caelum | what's the package to get a 32bit gcc on amd64 |
| 00:20.31 | babilen | Caelum: are you looking for http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers ? |
| 00:20.59 | stew | he is, whether he knows it or not :) |
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| 00:21.20 | Caelum | babilen: thank you! |
| 00:21.36 | mattis | macrobat: it's a good idea, but it would only make it portable for myself, and I wouldn't get the state saved between uses.. I was hoping for just putting in a USB stick in any debian based system, or maybe it would be x86 based that counts. Then just navigate to my USB mount, double click i.e. Firefox and then it would launch with all settings intact |
| 00:22.07 | babilen | Caelum: there are plenty of tutorial. don't know if the one in the wiki is the best, but you are looking for 'cross compile' |
| 00:22.09 | mattis | but I guess I'd have problems between different architectures and linux flavours |
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| 00:22.24 | sur_ | hello, I have three systems, two desktops(home, work) and a notebook. I would love to be able to synchronize the applications on the three, is there a way to do that? Such as the Siphon add-on on Firefox? |
| 00:22.43 | korhojoa | use mozilla weave :) |
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| 00:23.48 | Eioo | synchronize all applications on 3 different systems? |
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| 00:24.10 | sur_ | Eioo, correct |
| 00:24.24 | Eioo | each application developed by a different entity? |
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| 00:24.35 | sur_ | Eicoo, correct |
| 00:24.41 | mattis | that is eerily similar to my question |
| 00:24.48 | Eioo | sur_: are you from the future? |
| 00:25.00 | macrobat | mattis: how about a live system wich saves on an usb stick? i have used that with puppy linux |
| 00:25.09 | Eioo | because such utopia only exists vaguely in our heads |
| 00:25.17 | sur_ | Eioo, future is here. :) Honestly I think dpkg is the closest to that feature |
| 00:25.52 | Eioo | you mean version wise? I thought you meant synchrozing the data passing through each application |
| 00:25.54 | mattis | macrobat: I thought about that, and using Damn Small Linux, but it would still require either running in a VM or rebooting. I was hoping to just be able to launch in whatever environment the USB is mounted on |
| 00:26.02 | babilen | sur_: What exactly do you want to synchronise? Application versions? Their data? Usage patterns? ... |
| 00:26.17 | sur_ | babilen, only the apps, not their data |
| 00:26.22 | sur_ | babilen, only the apps, not their or settings |
| 00:26.31 | Eioo | sur_: if only the apps.. download and install the same debian version on all |
| 00:26.42 | mattis | macrobat: maybe install an application that understood the USB drive and how to set up the environment correctly to get everything running. Which could be tailored to each distro and architecture |
| 00:26.54 | sur_ | Eioo, I'd like it to work if I install some app to one |
| 00:27.12 | sur_ | it would automatically install it on all toher systems as well when they connect to net the next time |
| 00:27.22 | babilen | sur_: that should be pretty easy if you are running the same debian release on each box and update them at the same time |
| 00:27.47 | sur_ | babilen, that's what I do currently but it does not work well |
| 00:28.04 | sur_ | sometimes I forget to install some app on another system |
| 00:28.18 | Eioo | sur_: or you could use a script to download each application you download on each system to all on the network.. thats how viruses work |
| 00:28.26 | mattis | sur_: you could diff 'dpkg -l' and add / remove packages based on the diff |
| 00:28.42 | babilen | sur_: What are you trying to achieve with that? Why is that not working well? |
| 00:28.54 | babilen | !tell sur_ -about aptitude clone |
| 00:29.28 | babilen | sur_: you can also create a golden master, create an image from it and combine that with something like cfengine |
| 00:29.33 | sur_ | babilen, I remember that I installed a specific app, but actually I installed it on my notebook, not on my desktop where I need it now |
| 00:30.03 | sur_ | I have to go and find the repository address, add it find the apt-key add it and then install |
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| 00:30.28 | sur_ | instead I propese to have an app which warns me that there are apps to be installed, (which I can ignore) |
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| 00:30.53 | Eioo | sur_: go to www.freshmeat.net and type app net update |
| 00:31.20 | Eioo | sur_: if you find no results... go to sleep and pray someone develops it |
| 00:31.37 | sur_ | Isn't it a good idea |
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| 00:32.38 | MidnighToker | evening people. I have a very strange problem. |
| 00:32.57 | dustybin | MidnighToker: me to, but i tend not to tell people about it |
| 00:33.20 | MidnighToker | dustybin: i have many problems, this one is debian related... |
| 00:33.33 | MidnighToker | created a little perl script to check if a vpn (pptp) link exists, and if not to restart it. it works fine from the command line, but every time it runs via cron it fails horribly :S |
| 00:33.35 | MidnighToker | advice please |
| 00:33.43 | babilen | sur_: I don't really see the need. If you want to clone one machine on a couple of others use somthing like sisuite and cfengine .. If you want to ease your daily admin tasks on 3 machines use something like a regular 'aptitude clone' (dpkg told you about that) a distributed shell, or mount /usr /etc /var (and other applicable) from a central location ... |
| 00:34.00 | dustybin | MidnighToker: check your paths |
| 00:34.10 | dustybin | cron needs paths for everything |
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| 00:34.42 | MidnighToker | dustybin: ok, 2 moments |
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| 00:37.08 | babilen | sur_: you can easily synchronise your sources.list on the machines and the aptitude clone approach will do what you want. How many different repositories are we talking about here? |
| 00:37.27 | babilen | sur_: have a look at rsync, unison and related tools |
| 00:37.52 | sur_ | babilen, I can add a new rep on any of the systems, and the others will get it and the key for it automatically the nexct time they connect to the net |
| 00:38.17 | sur_ | I think there must be a server somewhere when the number of systems>2 |
| 00:39.04 | sur_ | or if I remove from a repository from any of the systems, the others will get updated as well |
| 00:39.18 | babilen | sur_: just sync the sources.list (trivial) |
| 00:39.40 | babilen | sur_: what to do in case of conflicts? |
| 00:39.55 | sur_ | babilen, rules of syncronisation rule |
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| 00:40.10 | babilen | sur_: you could also put it in a VCS like git |
| 00:40.17 | MidnighToker | dustybin: all the paths seems fine. ppp is getting run, but it fails with connections errors. works fine from the cli |
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| 00:40.50 | sur_ | babilen, also sources.list is not one file there are also sources.list.d files |
| 00:40.58 | sur_ | and keys |
| 00:41.07 | sur_ | simple rsync won't work |
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| 00:42.00 | babilen | sur_: then synchronise them as well ... I am just giving you some ideas and pointers to relevant tools. You have to implement that. If you can't find a suitable tool for that write one |
| 00:42.29 | sur_ | babilen, I understand that and thank you. Just brainstorming on it... |
| 00:42.53 | Caelum | what's the environment variable (like CC) for g++ ? |
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| 00:47.30 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H96ZDu-V3c |
| 00:48.19 | babilen | Caelum: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Environment-Variables.html |
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| 00:48.59 | babilen | Agiofws: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:49.23 | babilen | Caelum: CXX |
| 00:49.27 | Agiofws | ok ok |
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| 00:50.03 | babilen | Caelum: if you use it in your own makefile .. but generally spaking it is just CC |
| 00:53.28 | Caelum | babilen: thank you! |
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| 00:57.08 | vex_ | how do i change the welcome message i get when i log into my computer? |
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| 00:58.24 | vex_ | is there a location for it? |
| 00:58.39 | amphi | vex_: /etc/motd |
| 00:58.52 | hn8456 | welcome message in login-window ? |
| 00:59.10 | vex_ | amphi: there it is thanks |
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| 00:59.14 | Justin | editing /etc/motd won't do you much good |
| 00:59.22 | vex_ | why? |
| 01:00.00 | Justin | grep motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 01:00.11 | vex_ | ok 1 sec |
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| 01:00.41 | vex_ | i see var/run/motd |
| 01:01.45 | babilen | !motd |
| 01:01.45 | dpkg | motd is probably the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems, see motd(5) and motd.tail(5) for further information. |
| 01:02.06 | pasky | Hi! How can I force a non-default module to be loaded for a network card? (atl1e instead of atl1c) I can't seem to google this out, and I cannot experiment since the system is 150km away from me... |
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| 01:02.32 | vex_ | nice |
| 01:02.36 | Caelum | pasky: put it in /etc/modules |
| 01:02.50 | vex_ | iis tre a package i can download that will give the files and directories some color? |
| 01:02.59 | Caelum | pasky: to disable the other one, you can blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 01:02.59 | genoobie | okay |
| 01:03.02 | vex_ | like directories green text white etc... |
| 01:03.12 | pasky | Caelum: yes that's what crossed my mind first, but i wonder how that will work with the udev stuff and such |
| 01:03.13 | amphi | vex_: try 'ls --color=auto' |
| 01:03.15 | babilen | !tell pasky -about blacklist |
| 01:03.20 | pasky | thanks :) |
| 01:03.21 | genoobie | since I can't get sound to work on this laptop I'm going to try and build my own kernel |
| 01:03.44 | Justin | genoobie: that's not going to work out so well |
| 01:03.46 | Caelum | pasky: udev works on the kernel level, so the module will register with it properly |
| 01:04.01 | genoobie | Justin, hm, no? |
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| 01:04.18 | genoobie | I'd be willing to install a .31 or better kernel that's already built |
| 01:04.29 | vex_ | amphi: that command returned succesfull but still no colors |
| 01:04.39 | genoobie | Justin, why not? |
| 01:04.56 | Justin | genoobie: you are better off finding a pre-built one |
| 01:05.02 | genoobie | okay. |
| 01:05.10 | genoobie | where might be a good place to look? |
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| 01:05.24 | Caelum | yay I got distcc working :) |
| 01:05.37 | vex_ | amphi: also when i did that command i got no return is thats what supposed to happen? |
| 01:05.42 | genoobie | checks his pillow for a prebuilt kernel |
| 01:05.46 | Justin | dunno, backports has 2.6.30 |
| 01:05.47 | babilen | Caelum: yay |
| 01:06.00 | Justin | you could probably get away with just installing the newer also modules |
| 01:06.09 | Justin | much less work than installing a new kernel, and much less likely to break things |
| 01:06.12 | Caelum | babilen: I just made wrapper scripts for gcc -m32 on the amd64 host, seems to work fine |
| 01:06.14 | Justin | er, alsa |
| 01:08.21 | vex_ | is there a way to set --color=auto to on forever? |
| 01:08.38 | Caelum | alias it in .bashrc |
| 01:09.08 | Caelum | alias ls="ls --color=auto" |
| 01:09.21 | genoobie | Justin, .30 doesn't have the fix |
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| 01:09.28 | genoobie | I already tried installing it |
| 01:09.47 | genoobie | Justin, do you have a tip on patching the kernel? |
| 01:10.05 | genoobie | I mean I have 2.6.30 installed |
| 01:10.10 | genoobie | still no sound |
| 01:10.32 | Justin | aplay -l doesnt list the card? |
| 01:10.35 | Caelum | is the appropriate snd- module loaded ? (see lsmod) |
| 01:10.40 | genoobie | I'd be willing to try and patch in snd-cs46xx |
| 01:10.52 | genoobie | caelum no |
| 01:11.15 | genoobie | Justin, aplay -l returns no soundcard found |
| 01:12.17 | Caelum | I think alsa has their own kernel git repo |
| 01:12.34 | Caelum | if they have the driver |
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| 01:12.51 | genoobie | Caelum, that's a new wrinkle |
| 01:12.57 | genoobie | there is a driver snd-cd46xx |
| 01:13.03 | genoobie | i mean snd-cs46xx |
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| 01:13.24 | vex_ | sweet thanks |
| 01:13.36 | genoobie | do you have a link for repo? |
| 01:13.50 | vex_ | is there a way to check for updates on the entire system, i know gentoo was emerge --sync |
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| 01:14.03 | vex_ | and emerge -uDN world* |
| 01:14.04 | Caelum | vex_: sudo aptitude update |
| 01:14.10 | Caelum | vex_: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:14.19 | vex_ | Caleum: thank you |
| 01:14.41 | babilen | !tell vex_ -about reference |
| 01:14.46 | babilen | vex_: ;-) |
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| 01:15.14 | genoobie | Caelum, okay I'm at alsaproject.org |
| 01:15.21 | vex_ | thank you babilen |
| 01:15.25 | vex_ | :D |
| 01:15.26 | genoobie | and there are a bunch of links to git... |
| 01:15.31 | genoobie | which is new lingo to me |
| 01:15.54 | Caelum | genoobie: I think you want the alsa-kernel.git, just run the git clone command |
| 01:16.17 | Caelum | genoobie: then maake sure it actually has your driver :) |
| 01:16.32 | genoobie | git clone? |
| 01:16.45 | Caelum | yeah that's the command to checkout |
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| 01:17.16 | Caelum | genoobie: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/GIT_Server |
| 01:18.59 | genoobie | is there a modinfo command in debian |
| 01:19.31 | babilen | genoobie: yes, modinfo |
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| 01:21.41 | genoobie | at some point i ran export to change the gcc compiler to 4.1 |
| 01:22.05 | genoobie | do I have to run this again if I'm compiling because the kernel was compiled in 4.1 |
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| 01:22.28 | Caelum | shouldn't matter generally |
| 01:23.02 | dvs | genoobie: you're compiling the module again? |
| 01:23.05 | genoobie | I'm trying to follow the directions here... |
| 01:23.07 | genoobie | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-cs46xx |
| 01:23.16 | genoobie | slightly different approach dvs |
| 01:23.29 | genoobie | I tried installing the newer .30 kernel with no luck |
| 01:23.56 | dvs | ok |
| 01:24.08 | genoobie | do the instructions on that page seem ok? |
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| 01:24.34 | babilen | genoobie: don't you need a .31 kernel for that module? |
| 01:24.41 | dvs | genoobie: yes, but I haven;t actually tried it myself |
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| 01:24.49 | genoobie | oh...I don't know |
| 01:25.14 | genoobie | babilen, I was going off of advice that Caelum gave |
| 01:25.39 | genoobie | babilen, do I need a .31 kernel? |
| 01:26.17 | babilen | genoobie: wasn't there something about that on the wiki? |
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| 01:27.21 | babilen | genoobie: ah, forget that ... |
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| 01:32.25 | DSlenentine | I |
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| 01:33.09 | dvs | you |
| 01:34.21 | shinefox | who? |
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| 01:35.27 | anoobisa | good evening, how would I go about setting up apache2 to only server a certain website to my dyndns domain name |
| 01:35.27 | DogBoy | I'm gonna have an aneurysm over this display of wit |
| 01:35.50 | anoobisa | only serve |
| 01:35.55 | anoobisa | is what I meant |
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| 01:37.51 | DSlenentine | I'm using Squeeze and am unable to control flash content in iceweasel. I found a bug report some time ago that suggested this was because of adobe's incorrect implementation of gdk or some such. The solution was to set a GDK variable in /usr/bin/iceweasel, which worked, but that file has been updated and I am unable find the bug report in question or recall the name of the variable to set. Could anyone be of assistance? |
| 01:37.54 | roe_ | I'm trying to copy one partition to another using the debian installer, I'm getting an error referencing incompatible features on one of the partitions, it is unclear which partition it is complaining about. Is there a way I can list the features set on each partition? |
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| 01:40.45 | anoobisa | whats the best way to look up the ip of a dns entry if ping does not work |
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| 01:41.04 | dvs | anomaly: traceroot? |
| 01:41.14 | dvs | anomaly: traceroute |
| 01:41.17 | shinefox | nslookup |
| 01:41.19 | dvs | bah |
| 01:41.29 | anoobisa | shinefox, thanks i just remembered |
| 01:41.33 | DSlenentine | anoobisa: resolveip |
| 01:41.33 | dvs | dig -x |
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| 01:41.48 | anoobisa | thanks guys |
| 01:41.52 | oOarthurOo | Greetings... running Debian squeeze, installed exaile, but I can't get right-click to edit track information working. I've checked all the recommends of exaile and they're all installed. |
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| 01:42.01 | mrwill | having some trouble with dpkg |
| 01:42.07 | mrwill | it can't finish installing postfix |
| 01:42.24 | mrwill | dpkg --configure -a reports that postfix is 'already running' when it tries to start it |
| 01:42.24 | dpkg | mrwill: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 01:46.01 | mrwill | where does dpkg unpack the .debs before installation? |
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| 01:47.12 | bluehaze | mrwill try dselect much more friendlier once you know your way around it. |
| 01:47.23 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:48.21 | mrwill | bluehaze: do you know the answer to the question I asked? |
| 01:48.28 | bluehaze | no i dont sorry. |
| 01:48.38 | mrwill | bluehaze: np |
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| 01:51.50 | chops | mrwill: AFAIK the .debs get unpacked directly in-place... what you describe sounds like a bug in the postfix package (or some corruption on your system)... what version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:53.13 | chops | mrwill: And can you pastebin the exact problem you're having (and the command that leads to it)? |
| 01:53.19 | mrwill | chops: presently about halfway between etch and lenny |
| 01:54.01 | chops | mrwill: Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes? :-) |
| 01:54.16 | chops | mrwill: Pastebin the error and I'll have a look |
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| 01:55.11 | mrwill | http://paste.debian.net/55210/ |
| 01:55.38 | mrwill | chops: yes, I followed the instructions closely |
| 01:56.17 | chops | mrwill: I would try killing all the postfix processes manually and then running dpkg again |
| 01:57.49 | mrwill | chops: thought of that, but there are no such processes - no qmgr |
| 01:57.55 | mrwill | chops: nothing in /var/run either |
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| 01:58.21 | chops | mrwill: No process at all owned by the 'postfix' user? |
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| 01:58.35 | poot | i got a big turtlehead pokin' out. |
| 01:58.38 | poot | i gotta take a dump. |
| 01:58.39 | poot | shits |
| 01:58.51 | mrwill | chops: nope - although I just figured out that the init script in etc gives the same error |
| 01:59.05 | chops | mrwill: Yeah, probably the upgrade script is using the init script |
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| 01:59.20 | chops | mrwill: You could trace down through the init script and find out what it's examining that it thinks postfix is still running |
| 01:59.35 | chops | mrwill: Looking in /var/run is a good place, but if you don't see something there it must be somewhere else |
| 01:59.37 | mrwill | chops: yeah I'll try that |
| 01:59.41 | genoobie | okay |
| 01:59.46 | poot | feces |
| 01:59.49 | genoobie | I have a few minute |
| 01:59.55 | genoobie | minutes that is |
| 02:00.14 | genoobie | chops as far as I can tell I need a .31 kernel or better |
| 02:00.30 | genoobie | than I can add the module in using the instructions here |
| 02:00.40 | genoobie | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-cs46xx |
| 02:01.14 | chops | genoobie: Makes sense. I think you mentioned having trouble with the backported kernel earlier, right? Is that still where you are? |
| 02:01.38 | genoobie | well the backported kernel doesn't support the card either |
| 02:01.47 | genoobie | so yes, that's where I am |
| 02:01.51 | chops | What version is the backported kernel? |
| 02:01.53 | poot | bowel movement |
| 02:01.55 | genoobie | .30 |
| 02:02.12 | poot | diarrhea |
| 02:02.14 | chops | genoobie: Have you tried backporting the sid kernel yourself? It's generally not 100% straightforward, of course... |
| 02:02.23 | poot | turd |
| 02:02.23 | dvs | !ops poot is spamming |
| 02:02.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dvs complains about: poot is spamming |
| 02:02.41 | poot | !ops dvs feces |
| 02:02.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: poot complains about: dvs feces |
| 02:02.44 | chops | genoobie: Do you _need_ to run stable? :-) |
| 02:02.59 | dvs | genoobie: That seems like such as hassle. I'd compile the kernel from source if .30 didn't work. |
| 02:03.13 | poot | i gotta take a big old dump. |
| 02:03.14 | mrwill | chops: found it, /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid - deleting that fixed it, thanks |
| 02:03.19 | poot | craps |
| 02:03.33 | ctmjr | !ops | poot is disgusting |
| 02:03.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ctmjr complains about: | poot is disgusting |
| 02:03.49 | poot | !ops ctmjr diarrhea |
| 02:03.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: poot complains about: ctmjr diarrhea |
| 02:03.54 | mentor | Stop it now |
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| 02:04.15 | chops | mentor: Thanks |
| 02:04.15 | dvs | ty |
| 02:04.22 | genoobie | sorry had family stuff to attend to |
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| 02:04.36 | genoobie | chops no I haven't tried backporting the sid kernel |
| 02:04.40 | mentor | rightho |
| 02:04.56 | chops | genoobie: Hand-compiling kernels is not as easy as userland packages, though it's still worth trying |
| 02:05.03 | genoobie | dvs really you think compiling the kernel from source is easier than backporting |
| 02:05.22 | chops | genoobie: If you're okay with running testing instead (and .32 is in testing), then that might be easier than starting the backporting game |
| 02:05.23 | genoobie | chops is there a decent wiki |
| 02:05.38 | genoobie | yeah, I don't do cutting edge stuff |
| 02:05.43 | chops | mrwill: Awesome |
| 02:05.44 | genoobie | I would like sound though |
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| 02:05.48 | chops | genoobie: Heh :-) |
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| 02:06.03 | dvs | genoobie: it depends on the dependencies. if the sid kernel brings in a lot of dependencies that I consider that more of a hassle |
| 02:06.25 | dvs | .32 is in testing!?! |
| 02:06.30 | genoobie | sadly I have no idea |
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| 02:06.51 | genoobie | so what do you think, compile a kernel from sources or backport |
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| 02:07.03 | genoobie | I compiled a kernel once (eons ago) |
| 02:07.14 | chops | genoobie: Testing isn't really cutting edge... it's generally pretty equivalent in reliability to something like Ubuntu. The only hassle is that you have to keep upgrading and changing versions of things if you want to keep installing packages / getting security updates |
| 02:07.36 | genoobie | you know I installed ubuntu and it was *so* slow |
| 02:07.46 | genoobie | this debian + lxde is *so* fast |
| 02:07.59 | genoobie | it's what I expect from linux |
| 02:08.01 | chops | genoobie: I would try the backport first if you're in for a bit of a project. |
| 02:08.30 | genoobie | chops what's the down side to doing the backport |
| 02:08.41 | chops | genoobie: Difficulty. Once it works it'll be 100% the solution you want. |
| 02:08.56 | genoobie | more so than compiling a kernel by hand? |
| 02:09.05 | chops | genoobie: Unfortunately yes. |
| 02:09.29 | genoobie | okay so what's the basic idea, I'm finding a prebuilt kernel and then adding the modules that I need |
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| 02:10.01 | genoobie | is that the general idea? |
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| 02:10.12 | dvs | genoobie: the downside is all the possible dependencies that you might need. |
| 02:10.25 | genoobie | will that slow things down? |
| 02:10.44 | genoobie | I mean as far as OS performance is concerned? |
| 02:11.05 | chops | genoobie: No, any solution should run pretty quickly |
| 02:11.22 | genoobie | hmm |
| 02:11.49 | genoobie | okay so where to begin, I need to add something to sources.list I suppose update and then install a keyring? |
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| 02:11.59 | genoobie | should I do this as root? |
| 02:12.01 | genoobie | probably |
| 02:12.27 | genoobie | so where might I look as far as backports go? |
| 02:12.51 | chops | !tell genoobie about ssb |
| 02:13.05 | dvs | ssb? that a wifi driver. |
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| 02:14.06 | chops | genoobie: Backports can be found on backports.org. What I would do, quite honestly, is download the source for the 2.6.30 backport, build that (just for practice and to get straight on what you're doing), then try to compile the 2.6.31 source using the 2.6.30 backport's source .deb. You need 2.6.31 you said, right? |
| 02:14.19 | chops | genoobie: backports.org explains about where to get precompiled backports and source for them |
| 02:14.22 | genoobie | yes |
| 02:14.51 | genoobie | okay |
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| 02:15.03 | genoobie | chops I'll take a look, thanks |
| 02:15.16 | dvs | why not compile the source directly from kernel.org? |
| 02:15.25 | chops | genoobie: Yeah, so if you can get the 2.6.30 source to compile on your machine, then updating the Debian package to use the 2.6.31 source shouldn't take all that much fiddling. It is a bit difficult, but it'll get you there. If you get pissed you can always just compile a vanilla 2.6.31 instead (if you're familiar with compiling kernels). |
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| 02:15.57 | genoobie | not too familiar |
| 02:16.09 | genoobie | I'm ok with vanilla |
| 02:16.10 | genoobie | :) |
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| 02:16.15 | chops | dvs: On modern systems that can lead to trouble also (it'll have dependencies on udev, it'll want an initrd, your mouse won't work because the wrong option wasn't enabled or was enabled or something)... it's sadly not straightforward in my experience to get vanilla kernels compiled anymore. |
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| 02:16.25 | chops | s/compiled/working/ |
| 02:16.39 | paradroid | Anyone know who to setup power management features on an install that doesn't use a DE? I'm trying to avoid installing anything like gnome-power-manager, kpowersave, etc. |
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| 02:16.50 | paradroid | how* |
| 02:16.55 | genoobie | hm, I'm not quite sure I understand the idea |
| 02:16.58 | chops | dvs: Using the backport will make sure that if you need a new version of udev or something you'll get it. But, of course, the downside is that it's also more difficult. |
| 02:17.07 | genoobie | I get the idea of download the sources for 2.6.30 |
| 02:17.27 | Laeborg | '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 2304, won't make -- When I try to perl -MCPAN -e 'install Math::Pari' |
| 02:17.31 | genoobie | but the portion about updating the debian package to use the 2.6.31 source is what I don't quite get |
| 02:18.15 | genoobie | okay...I'll be back in a few hours, have some more family stuff to attend to |
| 02:18.31 | genoobie | man having kids *really* slows down projects :) |
| 02:18.36 | chops | genoobie: Add a deb-src line for backports.org, apt-get source linux-image-2.6.30-bop.1-686, get the build-deps and build from source |
| 02:18.37 | genoobie | bbl |
| 02:18.49 | chops | genoobie: k, best of luck. If I'm still around then ask for help again. |
| 02:18.55 | genoobie | right that's the first step |
| 02:18.58 | genoobie | that's not the updating |
| 02:19.01 | chops | genoobie: Yah |
| 02:19.20 | genoobie | okay I'll bbl |
| 02:19.25 | chops | genoobie: Updating the Debian package to use 2.6.31 is the tricky part :-). It's not totally wacky, though. |
| 02:19.49 | genoobie | yeah, well considering that I installed debian yesterday... |
| 02:19.50 | genoobie | :) |
| 02:19.58 | genoobie | okay I have to go |
| 02:20.01 | chops | k, cheers |
| 02:20.16 | chops | !tell dvs about ssb |
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| 02:20.28 | dvs | I don't see 2.6.32 in squeeze |
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| 02:20.52 | newsense | dvs: it's in sid |
| 02:21.01 | paissad-hp | iwhich service must i restart after modify /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? |
| 02:21.20 | dvs | newsense: that's what I thought. |
| 02:21.29 | newsense | i'm using it |
| 02:21.37 | chops | dvs: Yeah, he would have to install lenny, then install 2.6.32 from sid |
| 02:21.50 | newsense | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-trunk |
| 02:21.50 | judd | newsense: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk -- |
| 02:22.18 | dvs | heh |
| 02:22.30 | newsense | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 02:22.31 | judd | newsense: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 -- sid: 2.6.32-3 |
| 02:22.48 | jaggz | is there a better mail client than thunderbird? |
| 02:23.06 | dvs | jaggz: evolution? |
| 02:23.43 | paradroid | Does anyone here use a window manager instead of a DE on a laptop? |
| 02:24.00 | jaggz | 1. need to handle multiple accounts in one client 2. need to be able to select at response/compose time the From: address (for a couple work accounts and one personal)... I'll try evolution.. |
| 02:24.11 | jaggz | I don't recall it handling this that well |
| 02:24.43 | jaggz | but it looks like it's not installed so maybe I never tried it :) |
| 02:25.28 | dvs | jaggz: it can handle multiple accounts but I think you must have the addresses you want to have in the From: field configured in evolution |
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| 02:34.51 | tribalman | alguem sabe como ativar o sudo no debian lenny? |
| 02:35.00 | chops | !es |
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| 02:36.06 | k\t | anyone know what approach should be taken when alsa is completely configured on a laptop but still produces no sound.? |
| 02:36.45 | chops | !alsa checklist |
| 02:36.45 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 02:40.29 | k\t | hmm, still no sound.. |
| 02:40.41 | heihaier | how to rebuild ffmpeg with enable mpeg4 encoder? |
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| 02:45.01 | nuscire | hey, guys. my box is lenny. if i use lenny-backports, is it necessary to use volatile? |
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| 02:45.23 | dvs | no |
| 02:45.31 | netkey | hey guys |
| 02:45.45 | nuscire | dvs: okay, thank you. |
| 02:45.57 | dvs | np |
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| 02:47.11 | stew | nuscire: if you use packages in volatile, its recommended to keep volatile. packages in volatile might not have equivalents in backports |
| 02:47.22 | stew | nuscire: though the number of packages in volatile is small |
| 02:48.05 | nuscire | stew: can i use both? |
| 02:48.31 | stew | sure |
| 02:48.54 | netkey | hi,shinefox |
| 02:49.07 | netkey | are u there? |
| 02:49.28 | nuscire | stew: then what's order of them in sources.list? |
| 02:49.29 | heihaier | How to rebuild ffmpeg and enabled mpeg4 encoder? |
| 02:50.10 | stew | nuscire: the order in sources.list doesn't matter |
| 02:50.20 | shinefox | netkey |
| 02:50.33 | nuscire | stew: hmm, i see. thank you! |
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| 02:50.45 | netkey | hmm |
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| 02:50.50 | netkey | I'm here |
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| 02:52.37 | stew | nuscire: unless you tell it differntly via pinning, apt is when given 3 versions from backports, main, volatils is going to choose the higher version number between volatile and main (which is always going to be volatile), since backports isn't an automatic repository and therefore automatically pinned lower |
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| 02:57.23 | elik | Is there a particular reason why tovid was pulled from debian-multimedia? |
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| 02:57.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | ask the debian-multimedia people? |
| 02:58.09 | stew | as if there is more than one :) |
| 02:58.27 | nuscire | stew: what if there is no volatile? apt will choose backports? |
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| 02:59.34 | stew | nuscire: with the default pinning, backports will never be chosen unless you already have that package installed. if you do have that package installed, apt picks the highest version nunmber |
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| 03:00.06 | stew | nuscire: see the output of "apt-cache policy" "apt-cache policy packagename" and "man apt_preferences" for the details |
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| 03:00.39 | stew | nuscire: uhh i got the sense of "already installed" backwards |
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| 03:03.46 | nuscire | stew: i'm confused:( if i set backports in the sources.list, and there's an different version (higher) of a software. now, if i install this NEW software, which repositary will be used? main or backports? maybe i can try it out... |
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| 03:05.33 | stew | nuscire: "apt-cache policy packagename" will tell you |
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| 03:06.58 | nuscire | stew: hmm, i'm working on it. thank you, stew. |
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| 03:20.58 | babilen | .j ##c |
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| 03:24.21 | DarkHack | any ideas as to why Debian hates my Dell Dimension 2400 Desktop? |
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| 03:27.16 | pickcoder | DarkHack: that's too vague a question to answer |
| 03:27.51 | DarkHack | well if I knew more of why, other than xserver-xorg doesn't like to load |
| 03:27.54 | pickcoder | apart from the fact that the 2400 is a horrible machine |
| 03:28.07 | DarkHack | pickcoder yeah well, other than that |
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| 03:28.16 | pickcoder | we have several @work |
| 03:28.31 | pickcoder | which video chipset is on it |
| 03:28.37 | DarkHack | uhh |
| 03:28.43 | DarkHack | would have to check again |
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| 03:28.47 | DarkHack | os[Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686] distro[Debian 5.0.3] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.39GHz] mem[Physical: 1003.2MB, 73.6% free] disk[Total: 20.8GB, 84.3% free] video[Intel Corporation ] sound[Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]] |
| 03:29.24 | DarkHack | wow that was helpful on the video |
| 03:29.25 | DarkHack | lol |
| 03:29.42 | pickcoder | try to get an X error message |
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| 03:44.23 | colton_ | What does it mean if a file ends in .d? |
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| 03:45.07 | pickcoder | <someting>.d is <something> directory |
| 03:45.26 | pickcoder | conf.d for example is a directory containing config parts |
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| 03:45.45 | pickcoder | that may be specified in the FHS |
| 03:45.47 | pickcoder | !fhs |
| 03:45.48 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 03:46.36 | pickcoder | nope.. |
| 03:46.43 | pickcoder | it's just a directory naming convention |
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| 03:48.21 | Joelito | hi all, as there to tell dpkg, to look for the dependencies placed in the same directory? |
| 03:48.38 | colton_ | Someone named dpkg didn't just type in that description did he? |
| 03:49.01 | pickcoder | colton_: no |
| 03:49.09 | pickcoder | dpkg is a bot |
| 03:49.09 | dpkg | no idea, pickcoder |
| 03:49.20 | stew | dpkg: botsnack |
| 03:49.20 | dpkg | stew: thanks |
| 03:49.39 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m4e9668e2 - Nothing happens when I run this perl script |
| 03:50.12 | colton_ | I was going to say, that was a very well worded and well researched answer . . . |
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| 03:50.54 | colton_ | If I'd like to learn about the Unix filesystem higherarchy and package management systems (some sort of tutorial with exercises ideally) where do you suggest I look? |
| 03:51.52 | pickcoder | dpkg nm |
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| 03:52.24 | pickcoder | actually it's nmg |
| 03:52.32 | pickcoder | !tell colton_ about nmg |
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| 03:53.12 | suppository | takes a crap |
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| 03:54.41 | colton_ | What exactly is a debian package? Is it source code? Compiled binary? Header files? |
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| 03:55.23 | stew | colton_: two tarballs, one that gets unpacked in / the other that contains control files and scripts to be run during things like before and after, package installation/removal/upgrade |
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| 03:57.44 | colton_ | Okay, and what is a tarball? Like a special kind of compressed file? |
| 03:57.57 | pickcoder | the package could be original source or the compiled binaries for a specific platform |
| 03:58.02 | stew | a gzip or bzip2 compressed tar archive |
| 03:58.13 | pickcoder | source packages are normally put together a little differently than the binaries |
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| 04:04.00 | colton_ | What is git's relationship with these things? |
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| 04:05.01 | stew | colton_: none, othere than the casual relationship that some developers when storing the files they use to prepare a deb, might decide to use git |
| 04:05.31 | stew | colton_: and that there is a proposed format for debian source packages which is transmit in a git format, which isn't (and probably will never be) supported by debian |
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| 04:06.45 | chops | Does anyone know the default password for /etc/java-1.5.0-sun/security/cacerts? The internet tells me it's 'changeit', but on my etch system that doesn't seem to be true. |
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| 04:08.08 | tribalman | I want to enable sudo on Debian ....... how do? |
| 04:08.53 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 04:09.11 | chops | tribalman: Install the package, run visudo as root, add yourself to the list of users |
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| 04:10.56 | tribalman | chops: What is the name of the package? |
| 04:11.56 | pickcoder | chops: did you try <enter>? |
| 04:12.30 | chops | tribalman: sudo |
| 04:13.12 | chops | pickcoder: I did. Actually, it looks like I've just got trouble with my javas again :-(. I get "keytool error: gnu.javax.crypto.keyring.MalformedKeyringException: incorrect magic"... but I don't mean to be running anything gcj-related; I just want the Sun java. |
| 04:13.32 | colton_ | So, dpkg is used to install and remove programs, correct? |
| 04:13.33 | stew | god I hate keytool |
| 04:13.37 | stew | colton_: yes |
| 04:13.39 | chops | Ugh, yes, /etc/alternatives/keytool points to gcj |
| 04:13.58 | chops | colton_: Generally aptitude is used to install and remove programs, but dpkg can do it if you like downloading .debs by hand |
| 04:14.12 | stew | colton_: usually indirectly with some higher level package manager using the libapt library (such as apt-get or aptitude) |
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| 04:15.00 | tribalman | chops: is not the sudo command? ... I want to know the name of the package to enable sudo |
| 04:15.06 | pickcoder | unless you plan on having you package adopted by a DD (Debian Developer) you are better of testing your package with dpkg directly |
| 04:15.44 | pickcoder | alternately, you can review the Debian repository format and create your own repository for people to install your packages |
| 04:15.47 | chops | pickcoder: Yes, switching /etc/alternatives/keytool to the sun jdk one fixes things. |
| 04:16.02 | babilen | tribalman: as surprising as it might be - the package is named 'sudo' |
| 04:16.04 | colton_ | So, invoking dpkg -l, I got a long list of packages (correct? packages or programs?) One of them is "yelp" (something I've never used, at least directly). Now, I could remove it by typing "dpkg -r yelp" right? |
| 04:16.10 | chops | tribalman: The name of the package is "sudo". What I tell you three times is true. |
| 04:16.31 | chops | colton_: You want 'aptitude remove yelp' |
| 04:16.42 | colton_ | Why not use dpkg? |
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| 04:17.02 | tribalman | chops : thanks guy...excuse |
| 04:17.28 | chops | colton_: aptitude is more of a user-level tool. It'll make sure you're not removing something that's needed, and if you're installed something it'll download it for you and install other things that might be needed alongside it. |
| 04:17.57 | stew | because if you use aptitude you'll have lots of followup questoins about why it now wants to remove all of gnome |
| 04:18.10 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 04:20.00 | colton_ | So, If I wanted to install something using dpkg, what would I have to do? That is, would I have to go to some repository, download the file manually, unpack it and then invoke dpkg -i "name" on it? |
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| 04:20.34 | colton_ | dpkg -i something.deb |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | installs something.deb into colton_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 04:20.52 | colton_ | That was interesting. |
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| 04:25.59 | colton_ | How do I make sure that sources.list has non-free and and contrib sources? Here's the first uncommented line of my sources.list file: deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main. Do I just append non-free and contrib to the end of this and the following line? |
| 04:26.14 | pickcoder | yup |
| 04:26.16 | prince_jammys | yes |
| 04:26.17 | pickcoder | space-delimited |
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| 04:29.37 | colton_ | Okay, so there are six lines in all, The top two refer to mirrors.usc.edu, the second two to security.debian.org and the last two to volatile.debian.org. Do I add " non-free contrib" to the end of all six of these lines? e.g., "deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib" |
| 04:32.12 | colton_ | What do each of these uri's provide? Do they provide different things, or do they all point to the debian distribution, and are simply functioning as alternatives to one another in the event that one of them doesn't work? |
| 04:32.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes for official debian mirrors, for mirrors who knows. |
| 04:32.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | *for unofficial mirrors |
| 04:32.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | who knows ;) |
| 04:33.10 | stew | colton_: security provides security updates, "/msg dpkg volatile" to read about volatile |
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| 04:34.02 | stew | colton_: security updates are rare on contrib and non-free but you list them there. volatile offers no contrib or non-free packages, so there is no sense in enabling it |
| 04:34.26 | colton_ | So, should I add "contrib non-free" to the end of ALL of these lines? |
| 04:34.37 | stew | colton_: if you have multiple for the same mirror, probably one is a deb for fetching binary packages and the other is deb-src for fetching source packages |
| 04:34.40 | colton_ | Oh, nm |
| 04:34.53 | stew | colton_: there is no reason to add it to volatile, but it won't hurt either |
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| 04:35.18 | colton_ | thx. |
| 04:35.24 | extor | How can I uninstall a third party package which I installed using dpkg -i packagename.deb ? |
| 04:35.42 | chops | extor: aptitude remove will work fine I believe |
| 04:35.50 | colton_ | Step 0 down, 4 to go! |
| 04:36.01 | extor | chops, how do I figure out the correct name of the package though? |
| 04:36.24 | stew | extor: "dpkg -I foo.deb" would tell you |
| 04:36.25 | genoobie | okay here goes |
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| 04:37.05 | colton_ | How would I go about finding the version of nvidia drivers ought to be installed on my pc? |
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| 04:37.14 | colton_ | *which ought to be |
| 04:38.00 | stew | colton_: do you need 3d accelleration? |
| 04:38.52 | colton_ | Yes, I'd like 3c accelleration |
| 04:38.59 | colton_ | *3d |
| 04:39.44 | genoobie | chops I'm looking in lenny-backports for the 2.6.30 source, correct? |
| 04:40.04 | chops | genoobie: Yes |
| 04:40.24 | prince_jammys | colton_: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 04:44.19 | colton_ | Would apt-get install nvidia-glx do it? |
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| 04:44.21 | prince_jammys | depending on certain variables (debian release, your video card, the alignment of the stars, etc.) installing the propietary drivers can be a pain in the ass. |
| 04:49.17 | colton_ | So, assuming this is the right driver, if I were to simply download the driver here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.05.html and type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.05-pkg1.run" should it work? |
| 04:49.31 | genoobie | chops, will I be creating a custom image kernel |
| 04:50.02 | genoobie | so will I need kernel-package |
| 04:51.12 | genoobie | would it be better to have synaptic as a gui to handle installed pkgs before I attempt this? |
| 04:51.14 | prince_jammys | colton_: i think so. i have only tried the debian way, which is more involved. nvidia's site should have directions. |
| 04:51.29 | genoobie | stupid cheap soundcard chips |
| 04:52.29 | colton_ | prince_jammys: where did you download the driver? |
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| 04:53.05 | ilovealcoa | anybody have any experience with the debian live cd? |
| 04:53.18 | prince_jammys | colton_: i followed the directions using module-assistant to compile the module and install the package. |
| 04:53.43 | prince_jammys | the nvidia installer that you mentioned doesn't require this |
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| 04:55.24 | colton_ | I'm getting: E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 04:55.50 | colton_ | when I run apt-get install |
| 04:57.21 | prince_jammys | ensure that contrib is present in your sources.list |
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| 04:57.47 | prince_jammys | if you just added it, ''aptitude update'' and then install. |
| 04:57.55 | colton_ | It is. Should I reboot? |
| 04:57.57 | prince_jammys | or apt-get update. |
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| 04:58.23 | prince_jammys | no, no reboot. just ''aptitude update'' |
| 04:58.27 | ilovealcoa | ok. well. could anybody please explain: what is the debian live cd failsafe mode supposed to do? i tried this option about half an hour ago, and so far it has done nothing but rapidly scan through a giant list of some sort |
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| 04:59.16 | colton_ | Okay, updating did the trick. |
| 04:59.39 | colton_ | ilovealcoa: I don't know. sry. |
| 05:00.35 | colton_ | prince_jammys, which driver did you install? |
| 05:00.38 | genoobie | any arch linux users here? |
| 05:00.49 | prince_jammys | colton_: this depends on the card. what card is it/ |
| 05:01.11 | prince_jammys | my nvidia cards are old as hell. |
| 05:01.19 | colton_ | 8800 gt |
| 05:01.49 | colton_ | Mine is almost 2 years old |
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| 05:03.19 | genoobie | if I want to build a kernel from sources 2.6.30 |
| 05:03.32 | prince_jammys | colton_: what is you kernel? |
| 05:03.39 | prince_jammys | s/you/your/ |
| 05:03.43 | genoobie | is this the place to be? http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/all/linux-source-2.6.30/download |
| 05:05.32 | colton_ | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 05:06.30 | roe_ | I have an mdadm array raid 5 that has a disk in it I need to remove *without* losing any data, any pointers? |
| 05:07.04 | nevyn | roe_: is the disk you need to remove dead? |
| 05:07.19 | nevyn | there's a fail disk option |
| 05:07.37 | roe_ | it has been repurposed as a system disk |
| 05:08.14 | prince_jammys | colton_: i think then, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-173.14.09-source |
| 05:08.18 | colton_ | So, it says to type: # apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} does this mean that if the version number is 123.123, i'd type apt-get install nvidia-glx${123.123}? |
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| 05:08.43 | prince_jammys | $VERSION here is -173.14.09 |
| 05:08.54 | genoobie | prince_jammys, I'm trying to get sound card support on my laptop |
| 05:08.57 | Crumbles | can someone walk me through updating ubuntu 9.10 to the latest xserver-xorg-video-intel ?? I can't get any mono programs to show fonts on the 2.9.0 version |
| 05:09.12 | genoobie | Crumbles, #ubuntu? |
| 05:09.34 | Crumbles | k, no one answers questions in there :( |
| 05:09.36 | Crumbles | I'll go back |
| 05:09.47 | genoobie | prince_jammys, chops suggested I build a kernel 2.6.30 from sources as the first step in getting the soundcard to work |
| 05:10.00 | genoobie | aptitude install linux-source-2.6.30? |
| 05:10.18 | prince_jammys | colton_: follow the steps where you left off, with VERSION set to the above. run m-a (module-assistant) as shown in the first URL i gave. |
| 05:11.45 | genoobie | are there any particular cautions I should take when building the kernel from sources as far as compiler version, etc? |
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| 05:15.02 | colton_ | How could I exit X? |
| 05:15.29 | prince_jammys | colton_: do you use a display manager (gdm, kdm, etc..) |
| 05:15.39 | prince_jammys | genoobie: i have very limited experience building kernels. haven't done it in a long time, and never in debian. so i'll watch :) |
| 05:15.42 | colton_ | I don't know. |
| 05:15.56 | prince_jammys | colton_: do you have a graphical login screen? |
| 05:15.58 | colton_ | Like gnome? |
| 05:16.03 | colton_ | Yes. |
| 05:16.19 | prince_jammys | sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 05:16.20 | ilovealcoa | can anybody lpease help? i have attempted to use the debian netinst cd, only to learn that it cannot mount the cdrom drive, which effectively prevents any further use of the cd. what can i do to deal with this? |
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| 05:16.25 | prince_jammys | colton_: ^^ |
| 05:17.01 | genoobie | ilovealcoa, can't mount or doesn't recognize your CD drive |
| 05:17.08 | genoobie | usb? |
| 05:17.17 | prince_jammys | colton_: or ''/etc/init.d/gdm stop'', or hit it with a hammer. ctrl-alt-backspace is probably disabled in your system. |
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| 05:19.19 | roe_ | I am at an (initramfs) prompt, I don't seem to have access to fdisk, is there another way to examine the partition tables of my disks? |
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| 05:20.37 | ilovealcoa | thanks genoobie. i wasn't aware until now that debian made netinst usb images, and will give that a try. |
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| 05:21.37 | icedtea | wow... its been awhile since I've used debian... what do you run to get the latest bug fixes, packages, etc. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 05:21.40 | icedtea | correct? |
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| 05:22.06 | roe_ | you should read up on the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 05:22.43 | icedtea | roe_: will do, thanks |
| 05:22.44 | konr | how can I remove package foo, but not its dependencies? |
| 05:22.59 | icedtea | dpkg --remove foo? |
| 05:23.00 | dpkg | rips the still-beating foo from icedtea's chest, leaving icedtea in a coma. |
| 05:23.14 | icedtea | I forget |
| 05:23.23 | icedtea | apt-get remove foo? |
| 05:23.35 | genoobie | aptitude purge foo |
| 05:23.52 | genoobie | oh wait, cancel that |
| 05:25.11 | konr | thanks! icedtea's first answer did the job |
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| 05:35.23 | colton_ | What is the command for stopping the gnome desktop manager again? |
| 05:35.45 | prince_jammys | invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 05:36.10 | prince_jammys | or /etc/init.d/gdm stop, or some other one i forget. |
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| 05:41.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | can apt tell me the URI of the package (eg, its full path on the server) without doing the downloading? |
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| 05:42.12 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: --print-uris |
| 05:43.12 | genoobie | stew, dpkg -i blah.deb, no other switches? |
| 05:43.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: thanks. i'll have a go |
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| 05:44.24 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone and wish merry christmas |
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| 05:50.40 | genoobie | stew, you still here? |
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| 05:58.24 | r0ny | gu |
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| 06:05.37 | bikcmp | Hi, I'm having a huge DOs attack on my servers |
| 06:05.48 | bikcmp | how can i help prevent it? |
| 06:06.02 | bikcmp | they are all load balenced, and 10 servers... so its a fairly large attack |
| 06:06.38 | CellKill | bikcmp, what type of DDoS? |
| 06:06.44 | bikcmp | SYN flood |
| 06:06.48 | bikcmp | and php exaustion |
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| 06:07.08 | CellKill | and the attack is similar in which way/ |
| 06:07.09 | CellKill | ? |
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| 06:07.17 | bikcmp | keeps pinging |
| 06:07.20 | bikcmp | and refreshing php |
| 06:07.46 | bikcmp | I'm using identical servers, so each are load balenced with round robin |
| 06:07.50 | CellKill | ok, well obviously your going to want to block pings on all the servers and the load-balancer/upstream router |
| 06:07.59 | CellKill | ok, then block ping on servers |
| 06:08.06 | bikcmp | hmm |
| 06:08.07 | bikcmp | k |
| 06:08.10 | bikcmp | Ill disable that |
| 06:08.19 | CellKill | and setup an iptables rule to limit the number of incoming syn per/sec per/ip |
| 06:08.20 | bikcmp | what about apache/php exaustion |
| 06:08.22 | bikcmp | hm |
| 06:08.31 | bikcmp | any scripts that can assist? |
| 06:08.46 | CellKill | uhm, im sure there are but i'm not familiar with them |
| 06:08.53 | CellKill | the apache/php exhaustion |
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| 06:09.00 | bikcmp | hmm |
| 06:09.10 | bikcmp | well they keep refreshing the cgi/php pages |
| 06:09.13 | CellKill | i would create a script that read the log output of the syn flood rule you create |
| 06:09.14 | bikcmp | and its using up all ram |
| 06:09.40 | CellKill | and have it write a list of ips to block all together from the list of ips that break that rule multiple times |
| 06:09.46 | bikcmp | hmm |
| 06:09.57 | bikcmp | not great with bash sadly |
| 06:11.00 | CellKill | i.e. 10 syn/sec/ip = log to synabuse.log, then create a sed/grep line to read the log for occurence of the same ip more than 1-2 times breaking that rule and add an iptables -j DROP rule |
| 06:11.24 | genoobie | CellKill, how familiar are you with soundcard stuff? |
| 06:11.31 | CellKill | not at all.... |
| 06:11.35 | genoobie | crap |
| 06:11.36 | genoobie | ok |
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| 06:12.59 | octavio | hello guys, any one knows if there is a log file for vino(vnc-server), if there is, where can I find it? |
| 06:14.07 | prince_jammys | see if the manual has a FILES section. |
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| 06:19.18 | mischief | octavio, check the configuration file, see if a log is specified. check /var/log as well |
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| 06:23.16 | octavio1 | mischief I already checked /var/log but I couldn't find any inforamtion ... where is the configuration file? .. I found some info. in internet that say that it should it be in ~/.vnc ... but I already looked for that folder and is not there. |
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| 06:25.45 | justin_ | I have logitech speakers and what could I do to get them to work? |
| 06:25.50 | justin_ | they are usb |
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| 06:26.15 | justin_ | it shows up in lsusb |
| 06:26.33 | prince_jammys | octavio1: i see, vino-server doesn't seem to have a manual. nice. |
| 06:27.05 | octavio1 | yep exactly |
| 06:27.21 | prince_jammys | well, that sucks |
| 06:27.49 | octavio1 | yes, and there is not much info on the internet .. or at least I couldn't find much |
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| 06:28.36 | mischief | um, octavio1 |
| 06:28.47 | mischief | the configuration file is probably somewhere around /etc/ |
| 06:29.01 | mischief | you should probably read the manpages or look up the documentation.. |
| 06:29.20 | prince_jammys | there appear to be no manpages for vino |
| 06:30.08 | prince_jammys | octavio1: see if /usr/share/doc/vino* has something of use. |
| 06:30.10 | octavio1 | I already looked it with the locate vino ... and there is no .config file .. or any file in /etc/.. |
| 06:30.17 | octavio1 | done |
| 06:30.22 | octavio1 | nothing useful |
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| 06:30.29 | octavio1 | just credicts |
| 06:30.31 | MrGreenGenes | the only vncserver that works for me is the vnc4server - very nice! |
| 06:30.36 | octavio1 | and changelog |
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| 06:32.29 | prince_jammys | maybe dpkg -L vino gives some kind of hint |
| 06:32.29 | prince_jammys | or whatever the name of the package is. |
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| 06:33.15 | justin_ | anyone know about setting up usb speakers? |
| 06:33.32 | octavio1 | ok prince_mannys let me check that |
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| 06:36.02 | MrGreenGenes | justin_, you should see the headphones in your mixer app, where you can adjust your pcm and master |
| 06:36.25 | justin_ | in sounds? |
| 06:36.48 | justin_ | err sorry, alsa mixer |
| 06:37.35 | MrGreenGenes | you may have to select the headphones, yes in alsa-mixer for example |
| 06:38.52 | justin_ | it isnt showing up |
| 06:38.57 | justin_ | but if i do lsusb |
| 06:38.58 | justin_ | it does |
| 06:39.15 | justin_ | as Logitech Inc. |
| 06:40.54 | MrGreenGenes | i think you need to look in alsa mixer, there should be a place to select it. |
| 06:41.41 | MrGreenGenes | look under change device |
| 06:42.31 | MrGreenGenes | i am using gnome volume control to select mine |
| 06:42.37 | octavio_ | well still couldn't find a log file for vino ... maybe there is not a log file :( ... thanks for the help guys, I am going now see you |
| 06:42.41 | justin_ | i see |
| 06:42.43 | genoobie | MrGreenGenes, I'm having lots of trouble with my soundcard |
| 06:42.46 | justin_ | mine just doesnt show up |
| 06:42.51 | justin_ | never had this issue befoer |
| 06:42.54 | justin_ | before* |
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| 06:43.49 | MrGreenGenes | hmm, sound card for your headphones or built in soundcard? |
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| 06:44.01 | genoobie | built in |
| 06:44.03 | justin_ | its usb speakers |
| 06:44.10 | justin_ | Z5 is the model |
| 06:44.21 | genoobie | sorry, that was for Justin_ |
| 06:44.21 | justin_ | the sound card is on the motherboard |
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| 06:46.16 | MrGreenGenes | it might be your headphones taking over your dsp device - does it happen only when using headphones? |
| 06:46.45 | justin_ | havent tried another device |
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| 06:47.02 | justin_ | hold on a sec |
| 06:47.17 | Corey4151 | Does anyone have starcraft? |
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| 06:48.38 | justin_ | sound works on the 3.5mm jacks |
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| 06:51.15 | MrGreenGenes | i am trying to play matroska (mkv) files on my ps3 using mediatomb, anyone know any settings i can try? |
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| 06:57.25 | brutus | how do I open tabs in an ssh session without having to login again? |
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| 07:02.45 | prince_jammys | brutus: use screen? |
| 07:02.56 | brutus | prince_jammys, thansk |
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| 07:10.38 | hacker_kid | could the /etc/hosts files do a simple round robin, ie if i entered two addresses for domain foo would both addresses be used same as if there were two A records in a dns zone file |
| 07:13.52 | joltcan | hacker_kid: Don't know if that is possible, but what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 07:14.52 | hacker_kid | joltcan, trying to distribute requests to two ip addresses on the local network, would be nice if i could do that without setup up a complete nameserver |
| 07:14.53 | joltcan | hacker_kid: Or rather, no, it is not possible in /etc/hosts |
| 07:15.20 | joltcan | but from a single host? |
| 07:15.27 | joltcan | hacker_kid: is this a firewall? |
| 07:16.00 | hacker_kid | joltcan, from a handful of hosts, and no it is not a firewall what does that have to do with it? |
| 07:16.31 | joltcan | hacker_kid: So you want to modify /etc/hosts on many hosts then? |
| 07:16.50 | joltcan | hacker_kid: I was thinking you were trying to nat something into your network, then there is iptables features for that |
| 07:16.51 | hacker_kid | joltcan, its only a few hosts on the local network |
| 07:17.11 | hacker_kid | anyway, nameserver it is |
| 07:17.13 | joltcan | hacker_kid: Then I think you should setup some simple dns, like dnsmasq or something |
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| 07:27.08 | Claviceps | THIS IS TERRORIST THREATS AGIANST THE USA |
| 07:27.24 | liable | aww, shuddup |
| 07:27.25 | stew | Claviceps: please keep this channel on-topic |
| 07:27.30 | Claviceps | OH SORRY |
| 07:27.31 | Claviceps | WELL. |
| 07:27.37 | stew | Claviceps: and turn off your caps |
| 07:27.41 | Claviceps | okay |
| 07:27.42 | Claviceps | off |
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| 07:27.54 | stew | Claviceps: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 07:29.10 | Claviceps | yes. |
| 07:29.16 | stew | Claviceps: what is it? |
| 07:29.27 | Claviceps | why is it that WINDOWS 7 is so much better than *nix? |
| 07:29.28 | Claviceps | WALMART |
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| 07:29.46 | liable | hah, couldnt help himself.. |
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| 07:32.20 | netkey | hey guys |
| 07:32.25 | netkey | where are u? |
| 07:32.26 | melsonmore | Hi |
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| 07:32.57 | melsonmore | Work, actually. =O |
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| 07:35.49 | Caelum | is 1000 a good CONFIG_HZ value for a laptop? |
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| 07:38.12 | stew | Caelum: it depends on what you are doing with it, I belive that would run the battery down faster |
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| 07:39.36 | apr0n | Hey |
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| 07:40.02 | apr0n | What's the smallest debian iso that contains cryptsetup? |
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| 07:40.32 | liable | hmm, i presume the businesscard has it |
| 07:40.44 | Arrowmaster | the netinst does but yeah i would guess the businesscard does too |
| 07:41.09 | apr0n | I just have to mount a hdd and chroot into it |
| 07:41.28 | apr0n | My debian install doesn't want to accept the USB keyboard at boot, and serial just gives me garbage. |
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| 07:50.58 | Caelum | stew: but generally for interactive type systems that's better? |
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| 08:21.32 | darkstego_ | is the best way to install wine on an amd64 system through ia32-apt-get? |
| 08:23.23 | Caelum | darkstego_: there are wine packages for amd64 |
| 08:23.31 | Caelum | I think |
| 08:23.43 | Caelum | yeah there are |
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| 08:26.56 | darkstego_ | yeah |
| 08:27.18 | darkstego_ | they were broken a few months back... so I went the ia32-apt-get route, which was painful |
| 08:28.09 | imganquan | hi all. I use a ADSL to connnect to internet, I write a new DNS in /etc/resolv.con, do I need restart the networking service to make new DNS works? |
| 08:28.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:28.53 | darkstego_ | I just wanted to know if there has been an agreement on wether people should move to ia32-apt-get or use the ia32-libs in the regular repos |
| 08:29.14 | simonrvn | the libc cache is a different story. just wait for the ttl to run out. |
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| 08:29.56 | imganquan | simonrvn: thank you. |
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| 08:30.48 | simonrvn | np |
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| 08:59.51 | iateadonut | how do i make it so my terminal will accept utf8 (chinese) characters? |
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| 09:05.31 | jelly | iateadonut: use an utf-8 capable terminal emulator (not all support it) |
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| 09:06.19 | jelly | iateadonut: uxterm, or rxvt-unicode. Those Gnome or KDE terminal apps probably support it as well. |
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| 09:12.23 | iateadonut | i'm connected to my server through ssh. |
| 09:13.16 | iateadonut | my terminal here will take unicode but when i log in through ssh, the debian box there will not accept unicode. |
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| 09:13.38 | iateadonut | it will, however, print unicode (when i run a mysql query that returns unicode). |
| 09:13.50 | jelly | what does "locale" show on the remote machine? |
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| 09:37.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:37.10 | dpkg | <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
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| 09:40.35 | simonrvn | of course it helps to reply, in order to get help, iateadonut |
| 09:43.11 | iateadonut | LANG= |
| 09:43.11 | iateadonut | LC_CTYPE="POSIX" |
| 09:43.11 | iateadonut | everything else "POSIX" |
| 09:44.24 | simonrvn | set your locale, in your terminal over there |
| 09:45.22 | iateadonut | ok. |
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| 09:48.53 | simonrvn | export LC_FOO=bar e.g. |
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| 09:50.51 | g53tr | hola |
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| 09:58.25 | jelly | iateadonut: well then, POSIX locale isn't UTF-8 compliant. Use a different locale. |
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| 09:59.49 | jelly | iateadonut: "locale -a" will show what's currently present on the system. Use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to add or remove compiled locales and set system defaults. |
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| 10:00.18 | jelly | iateadonut: /msg dpkg locales |
| 10:01.36 | kenjy | hi guys, I have a issue with my dhcp3-server, all works but when I reboot, my dhcp server don't start, my message log say this "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" but after boot if I do /etc/init.d/dhcpd3-server start it works fine =) I m ussing a bridge so I think that the dhcp server its starting before br0, how can I delay dhcpd3-server at boot? |
| 10:02.43 | kenjy | can you help me? |
| 10:02.43 | simonrvn | make sure it starts after the bridge is set up.... |
| 10:03.21 | kenjy | simonrvn: well Im shure that it don't start after the bridge is set up, I need to delay the dhcp server in some way but I don't know how |
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| 10:04.11 | simonrvn | rename the symlink in /etc/rc2.d - this is simple admin work. |
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| 10:07.03 | kenjy | simonrvn: tnks let me try |
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| 10:09.06 | jelly | kenjy: is your bridge interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces as it should be, or somewhere else? |
| 10:09.21 | kenjy | jelly: its in interfaces |
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| 10:11.01 | elsn | Hi. Could somebody please recommend a easy network graphing tool for Debian? Catci is way to big for this server as it would require apache, mysql etc. I want to monitor the network usage on the machines ip-addresses or nic's - and display on a html page (no server side). |
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| 10:13.32 | liable | ntop? needs a httpd too though |
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| 10:14.02 | liable | oh no it doesnt |
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| 10:15.48 | kenjy | jelly and simonrvn: I changed S40dhcp3-server to S70dhcp3-server in rc2.d but don't work, dhcpd3-server don't start at boot, again if I do /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start it works |
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| 10:15.54 | jelly | I'm not sure a ntop instance eats less resources than apache+mysqld+app |
| 10:16.29 | liable | if your not sure, shuddup then! |
| 10:16.32 | liable | runs |
| 10:16.45 | elsn | The following extra packages will be installed: defoma fontconfig fontconfig-config libcairo2 libdatrie0 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libexpat1 libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreetype6 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpixman-1-0 libpng12-0 librrd4 libsysfs2 |
| 10:16.50 | elsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.54 | elsn | No webserver anyway :) |
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| 10:17.06 | simonrvn | /kick elsn |
| 10:17.14 | elsn | ...for? |
| 10:17.39 | simonrvn | because the bot didn't :P |
| 10:17.45 | kenjy | how can I make init to start dhcp3-server after br0 is setup? |
| 10:17.47 | elsn | 2 lines of paste, mr(s). irc-police? ;) |
| 10:18.19 | elsn | might be easier to just install rrdtools and write a custom script for this |
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| 10:19.59 | kenjy | I tryed adding /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start to rc.local but that did not work |
| 10:21.00 | krion | kenjy: what do you whant to do ? |
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| 10:21.46 | krion | kenjy: if you just want to start dhcp3-server at boot time you better have a look at update-rc.d |
| 10:21.56 | kenjy | krion: I have wlan0, eth0, eth1 network card's, I have a bridge ( eth1 and wlan0 ) all works but my dhcp server don't start correctly at boot |
| 10:22.14 | kenjy | krion: it fail to start at boot |
| 10:23.14 | kenjy | krion: it don't start because br0 its created after dhcp its started |
| 10:23.27 | krion | oh ok.. |
| 10:23.52 | krion | kenjy: you should then try to change dhcpd starting priority |
| 10:23.55 | kenjy | krion: but I don't know how to start dhcp server after br0 its created |
| 10:24.26 | kenjy | krion: I moved S40dhcp3-server in rc2.d to S70dhcp3-server with no luck |
| 10:24.48 | krion | are you sure you're running at init2 ? |
| 10:25.13 | kenjy | krion: kenjy@frodo:~$ who -r |
| 10:25.13 | kenjy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.18 | liable | its default in debian |
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| 10:26.12 | kenjy | krion: I tryed adding /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start to rc.local but that don't works |
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| 10:26.57 | kenjy | krion: well and thats why Im here because at this point Im lost xD |
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| 10:28.21 | kenjy | any idea krion ? |
| 10:30.32 | krion | kenjy: try to remove dhcp3-server using update-rc.d |
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| 10:30.47 | krion | then re-add it with 99 (highest priority) |
| 10:32.45 | kenjy | krion: testing ... |
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| 10:33.02 | krion | also grep br /etc/rc2.d/* :-D |
| 10:33.13 | krion | eventually that would return something |
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| 10:33.25 | krion | i've never used bridge at all |
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| 10:35.19 | kenjy | krion: no luck with S99dhcp3-server :( |
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| 10:37.32 | krion | can you pastebin the exact error message ? |
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| 10:39.08 | kenjy | krion: fixed with sleep 15s && /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start in rc.local xD I know that this is not the correct way ... |
| 10:39.15 | krion | :) |
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| 10:39.28 | krion | forget about rc.local |
| 10:39.33 | kenjy | krion: the error its Dec 30 03:58:00 frodo dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 10:39.44 | krion | add the sleep directly in /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server |
| 10:40.48 | adb | kenjy, define "listen = " in /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
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| 10:41.26 | adb | usually eth0 .. |
| 10:41.27 | kenjy | adb: what? |
| 10:41.44 | kenjy | adb: in /etc/default/dhcp3-server I have INTERFACES="br0" |
| 10:41.59 | adb | not good |
| 10:43.03 | kenjy | krion: testing with sleep 15s in init.d script |
| 10:43.03 | adb | try INTERFACES="eth0" |
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| 10:45.06 | kenjy | krion: sleep 15s in the init script don't work |
| 10:45.29 | krion | ok... |
| 10:45.29 | adb | as eth0 is outside the bridge , so dhcp-server may start standalone , and bridge may be done later w/o any issues |
| 10:46.49 | kenjy | adb: I added INTERFACES="br0 eth1 wlan0" with no luck |
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| 10:47.07 | adb | no add only eth0 |
| 10:47.18 | cast | there a signed sha1sum for http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz somewhere? |
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| 10:50.15 | adb | in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/MD5SUMS |
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| 10:51.17 | cast | not quite, but close enough for me to work it out, thanks :) |
| 10:51.23 | adb | 815c472f340f3d43a3d4db4b448a4809 ./hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 10:51.46 | adb | np |
| 10:51.49 | kenjy | adb: done, and dhcp server starts ... but now I get time out from clients |
| 10:51.54 | stylesen | Is there a way to purge all documentation files in debian? |
| 10:52.04 | cast | argh, what the hell. theres no gpg sig with that MD5SUMS, [or a SHA1SUMS] |
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| 10:52.30 | kenjy | adb: dhcp server its listening to eth0 and ignoring br0 ... |
| 10:52.49 | adb | kenjy, now fix your bridge .. |
| 10:52.51 | cast | makes it only useful as a means to detect accidental corruption :< |
| 10:53.07 | sauvin | stylesen, why on earth would one want to purge all documentation files? |
| 10:53.15 | kenjy | adb: the bridge works : / |
| 10:53.20 | cast | sauvin: space. |
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| 10:53.45 | sauvin | I'd erase porn first. |
| 10:53.56 | stylesen | sauvin: I want to remove /usr/share/doc and other docs from the system, since am running out of space in my /root partition |
| 10:54.16 | sauvin | Do you have other partitions with more space? |
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| 10:54.28 | stylesen | no I dont have any porn in this box! |
| 10:54.33 | kenjy | adb: the bridge works but the dhcp server ignore it ... |
| 10:54.40 | stylesen | sauvin: i have /home with 3G |
| 10:54.52 | kenjy | adb: dhcpd 976 0.0 0.1 3704 1688 ? Ss 04:49 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf eth0 |
| 10:55.11 | kenjy | adb: it should work for br0, eth0 its the internet network conection |
| 10:55.36 | stylesen | any tips/bestpractices/etc to regain space? |
| 10:55.38 | sauvin | is still trying to get du -h to tell him what his /usr/share/doc is in size |
| 10:55.48 | adb | kenjy, is foreward activate ? |
| 10:55.57 | pantelis | what exactly does the command dhclient -i eth1?? |
| 10:56.21 | kenjy | adb: yes, I have net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in sysctl.conf |
| 10:56.40 | kenjy | adb: I don't need any ip in eth1 because its a bridge ... br0 have eth1 and wlan0 ... |
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| 10:56.58 | sauvin | stylesen, what would you say, besides docs, is taking up all your space? |
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| 10:58.05 | stylesen | sauvin: I just did an install of the machine which had 5G for /root, did 'apt-get clean' to regain some space |
| 10:58.11 | sauvin | Hrm... I have bazillions of packages installed, and my /usr/share/doc is only about three gigs in size. |
| 10:58.39 | stylesen | but seriously I havent used /usr/share/doc for ages since I started using debian! so wanted to remove them safely |
| 10:58.43 | sauvin | What size is the hard drive in total? |
| 10:58.54 | stylesen | 15G |
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| 10:59.04 | stylesen | 2G went for swap |
| 10:59.22 | stylesen | so I have 8G /home and 5G /root |
| 10:59.25 | sauvin | Mmm. On drives that small, wouldn't it make better sense to just have everything in one partition? |
| 10:59.28 | liable | you wasted 2G on swap, but want to kill your docs? |
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| 10:59.50 | cast | or use LVM |
| 10:59.57 | ethanol | what is the easiest way to disable ipv6 on a lenny server? frickin aptitude keeps trying to use ipv6 addresses for security.debian updates |
| 11:00.09 | cast | i haven't used swap since i upgraded to 512MB of ram :) |
| 11:00.12 | liable | you *can* remove them without much trouble, but they'll get reinstalled when upgrades happen |
| 11:00.12 | vagothcpp | Does Debian have its own modifications upon the linux kernel or does it use the standard gnu linux kernel? |
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| 11:00.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | vagothcpp: it has customisations |
| 11:00.29 | cast | vagothcpp: standard linux* kernel, and yes, its patched a lot |
| 11:00.30 | liable | vagothcpp: lots of patches |
| 11:00.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | vagothcpp: and ftr, the gnu project don't make the linux kernel |
| 11:00.54 | vagothcpp | Kamping_Kaiser: Noted. |
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| 11:01.00 | kenjy | adb: tnks for all, I need to sleep, I keep the rc.local fix because it work =) but tnks for all |
| 11:01.18 | adb | yw |
| 11:01.18 | vagothcpp | hmm, so compiling a version of the linux kernel would be a little out of the question on a preinstalled linux system |
| 11:01.30 | liable | not really |
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| 11:01.39 | liable | depends if you know what your doing |
| 11:01.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | and if you need debians customisations |
| 11:01.52 | vagothcpp | liable: That would be a most likely no |
| 11:02.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | vagothcpp: any particular reason you want to rebuild it? |
| 11:02.09 | stylesen | will also try 'localepurge' |
| 11:02.47 | vagothcpp | Kamping_Kaiser: Remove some of the modules and support features compiled into the kernel... |
| 11:02.55 | stylesen | liable: why on earth I should have docs, since most of the time I use search engines? |
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| 11:03.29 | vagothcpp | stylesen: Cause most search engines return an internet copy of those docs =P |
| 11:04.16 | qt-x | what is the bigest diference betwen a lfs and debian ? |
| 11:04.26 | vagothcpp | I suppose I could recompile the debian kernel with those modifications |
| 11:04.28 | cast | one is LFS and one is debian |
| 11:04.38 | vagothcpp | cast++ |
| 11:04.41 | vagothcpp | qt-x-- |
| 11:04.53 | vagothcpp | vagothcpp(NN) |
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| 11:06.02 | qt-x | a lfs can become debian ? |
| 11:06.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
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| 11:07.33 | sauvin | One place where I sometimes regain lots of space is to expunge thumbnails in the .mozilla directories, I thing, but I don't have a separate /home partition. |
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| 11:09.52 | fahadsadah | * is pinned to lenny-backports (priority 200) |
| 11:09.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | anything in your home thats a ./{C,c}ache dir is usually safe to go |
| 11:09.59 | fahadsadah | Is there a safe way back down to lenny? |
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| 11:15.54 | fahadsadah | I removed those, and am getting E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
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| 11:18.15 | stylesen | autoremove saved 0.5G! |
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| 11:19.05 | fahadsadah | stylesen: Use aptitude, not apt-get |
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| 11:19.26 | bzrk | fahadsadah: why? |
| 11:19.32 | cast | !why aptitude |
| 11:19.32 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 11:19.42 | stylesen | fahadsadah: why? |
| 11:21.06 | bzrk | stylesen: tried apt-get clean already? |
| 11:21.21 | stylesen | Oh my god 'apt-get autoremove' is removing everything :( |
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| 11:21.24 | stylesen | bzrk: yes |
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| 11:22.04 | fahadsadah | apt-get is outdated. |
| 11:22.30 | fahadsadah | If you'd used aptitude, rather than apt-get, then the 0.5G would have been removed automatically |
| 11:22.38 | fahadsadah | Without the need for a command like apt-get autoremove |
| 11:23.39 | cast | documentation has been saying to use aptitude since woody IIRC |
| 11:24.00 | fahadsadah | apt-get is history |
| 11:24.01 | cast | people tend not to read docs though :\ |
| 11:24.08 | bzrk | i havent found aptitude to be in any way superior to apt-get |
| 11:24.28 | bzrk | and there are still things only dpkg can do |
| 11:24.44 | cast | thats a strawman ;/ |
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| 11:26.40 | cast | ahh, par2 doesn't repair inplace by default....i see why it was failing |
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| 11:30.49 | nkd | hi all. is there any notepad which can put grid over monospace text? |
| 11:32.10 | stylesen | makes a note to use aptitude in future! |
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| 11:46.08 | nkd | so what about such notepad? does anyone support grid over text? |
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| 12:29.13 | cast | hmm, so i've just done a netinst install on a laptop that not any network, i need to get wvdial onto there, is there a way to download i386 wvdial and all dependencies [except whats in the base install preferably]? then i can just dpkg -i them |
| 12:29.36 | cast | rather than doing the mandrolic manually resolve and download deps myself |
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| 12:30.48 | xk | cast: what internet connection do you have? |
| 12:31.26 | cast | i have another laptop, this one, with a 3G connection via usb modem, i move files inbetween the two via a SD card [which is how i did the netinst] |
| 12:31.31 | xk | ahhh. |
| 12:31.31 | cast | it runs lenny, too |
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| 12:32.14 | babilen | cast: have a look at apt-offline. |
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| 12:32.27 | cast | looks |
| 12:32.31 | cast | never heard of it! |
| 12:33.13 | xk | ahhh... it's a new tool |
| 12:33.16 | babilen | cast: That should simplify your endeavour |
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| 12:33.38 | babilen | judd: versions apt-offline |
| 12:33.38 | judd | babilen: apt-offline -- squeeze: 0.9.4 sid: 0.9.5 squeeze: 0.9.5 |
| 12:33.43 | babilen | argh! |
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| 12:34.24 | babilen | cast: ok, it is only available in squeeze. Sorry .. |
| 12:34.45 | xk | it's a python tool |
| 12:35.05 | xk | so it may work on lenny without problems |
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| 12:35.50 | babilen | could be worth a try ... |
| 12:35.55 | babilen | !ssb |
| 12:35.56 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 12:37.52 | babilen | cast: you can download the source package with either 'dget' or manually from http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/apt-offline |
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| 12:42.05 | cast | hmm....python is in the base install right? |
| 12:43.12 | babilen | cast: yes |
| 12:43.42 | cast | will installing via apt-offline still have the regular verification of signatures? |
| 12:44.10 | babilen | cast: how many packages do you need to install by hand to get wvdial running? |
| 12:44.24 | babilen | cast: yes |
| 12:44.53 | cast | hmm, if you DL and install a .deb with dpkg -i, sig is still verified? |
| 12:45.05 | babilen | cast: sure |
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| 12:59.18 | cast | heh, squeeze .deb won't install on lenny |
| 12:59.25 | cast | tries again |
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| 12:59.27 | xk | what error message? |
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| 12:59.40 | cast | dependency |
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| 13:00.05 | cast | [on a version not in lenny] |
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| 13:01.01 | babilen | cast: did you backported it? |
| 13:01.07 | babilen | s/ed// |
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| 13:01.17 | cast | no :\ |
| 13:01.19 | cast | ponders |
| 13:01.31 | cast | ahh |
| 13:01.34 | cast | i have an idea |
| 13:01.34 | babilen | cast: how many packages will you have to install by hand for wvdial? |
| 13:01.43 | cast | dunno, at least 5 |
| 13:02.01 | babilen | cast: just install them by hand |
| 13:02.55 | cast | so dpkg -i random.deb will verify a gpg signature of the deb, you say? |
| 13:03.13 | babilen | cast: run 'aptitude install wvdial' you will know which packages you need to download. Just put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run the install again |
| 13:03.44 | cast | would be good if it wasn't already installed |
| 13:04.06 | babilen | what is already installed? |
| 13:04.19 | xk | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/wvdial |
| 13:04.25 | xk | shows list of dependencies |
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| 13:06.14 | code_lyoko_fan | hello |
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| 13:06.37 | fbu90 | code_lyoko_fan: hi |
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| 13:07.09 | cast | ahh, if i do an aptitude reinstall wvdial it'll grab wvdial, and i'll be sure the package's integrity isn't compromised |
| 13:07.21 | flavien | everybody speak english here? |
| 13:07.41 | fbu90 | flavien: no ;) |
| 13:07.47 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:07.52 | fbu90 | flavien: polish? |
| 13:07.56 | adaro | Que pasa? |
| 13:08.16 | flavien | no french |
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| 13:09.21 | babilen | !fr |
| 13:09.21 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:09.36 | babilen | flavien: or speak English in here |
| 13:09.41 | adaro | !nl |
| 13:09.42 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 13:09.43 | flavien | i try |
| 13:09.50 | xk | !pl |
| 13:09.50 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 13:09.53 | flavien | everybody in debianfr sleep |
| 13:09.54 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:10.00 | babilen | !selftell |
| 13:10.00 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 13:10.33 | babilen | flavien: Ask in here then. |
| 13:10.47 | flavien | I try to explain but I must translate the error message |
| 13:10.47 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:10.47 | jelly | Hi, my VM Debian 5.0 cannot detect /dev/sda device (which also has the root filesystem on it, directly one the device, no partitions) has grown online. After doing echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/rescan, fdisk -l or blockdev --getsize64 still sees the old device size. However /sys/block/sda/size shows the grown size. |
| 13:11.09 | adaro | !kde |
| 13:11.09 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 13:11.30 | babilen | flavien: you can execute the command with "LANG=C <command>" and it will give you the error message in English |
| 13:11.45 | babilen | adaro: message the bot please ... nobody asked about KDE in here |
| 13:11.49 | jelly | adaro: please use "/msg dpkg kde" or similar instead of ! ... |
| 13:12.10 | flavien | ok, so, hal can't be configured |
| 13:12.30 | flavien | acion "start" failed |
| 13:12.36 | flavien | *action |
| 13:12.47 | flavien | with an upgrade |
| 13:12.49 | babilen | flavien: What are you doing? Hal refuses to start on boot? |
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| 13:12.55 | flavien | no |
| 13:12.57 | babilen | flavien: Which debian release are you running? |
| 13:13.20 | babilen | flavien: Could you paste the relevant output on a pastebin |
| 13:13.33 | flavien | i do an upgrade from Debian stable to debian testing |
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| 13:13.51 | flavien | an i've modified the sources.list |
| 13:14.04 | babilen | ok |
| 13:14.06 | flavien | after, i've do an aptitude update |
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| 13:14.12 | flavien | and aptitude upgrade |
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| 13:14.31 | babilen | pray continue |
| 13:14.39 | flavien | all packtage are downloaded and installed |
| 13:14.46 | adaro | !poop |
| 13:14.46 | dpkg | fertilizes the channel |
| 13:15.09 | babilen | adaro: please don't do that. Do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:15.32 | flavien | but hal wouldn't be configured |
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| 13:15.46 | flavien | er, no |
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| 13:16.02 | flavien | it is configured but he wouldn't restart |
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| 13:16.39 | babilen | flavien: ok, could you paste the output of the failed start attempt on a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) please? |
| 13:16.39 | adaro | Not really i just like abusing the bot |
| 13:16.58 | flavien | in french, i have this error message "le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 1" |
| 13:17.05 | pozic | Can someone recommend me a good laser printer that lasts which doesn't have ridicously priced toners. I don't care for colour and it can be quite expensive, but it should be quality. |
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| 13:17.18 | flavien | I try but it's on other computer |
| 13:17.25 | pozic | flavien: LANG=C and try again |
| 13:17.56 | adaro | !photoshop |
| 13:17.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, photoshop is evil. Speak not that name |
| 13:18.01 | pozic | flavien: LANG=C <whatever command it was that generated the output> |
| 13:18.43 | babilen | adaro: message the bot please - there is absolutely *no need* to spam the channel |
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| 13:19.15 | xk | or go to #debian-bots |
| 13:19.20 | adaro | Other than my personal enjoyment |
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| 13:19.49 | babilen | adaro: Go outside and have a great day in the snow. |
| 13:20.04 | flavien | yes, i know but the = button is broke |
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| 13:20.47 | flavien | correct me if i do a mistake |
| 13:20.48 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:21.00 | yang | I am looking for instructions on using the debian.net DNS forwarder, any idea where that is written ? |
| 13:21.01 | babilen | flavien: Can you paste the output in french then (we might be able to make sense of that) or 'steal' a = somewhere |
| 13:21.14 | adaro | Snow doesnt go well with my linux inflicted pale skin |
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| 13:22.33 | flavien | what is the ASCII code for = ? |
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| 13:23.04 | babilen | 61 |
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| 13:23.26 | flavien | thanks |
| 13:24.15 | babilen | flavien: /etc/skel/.bashrc has plenty of '=' you could copy .. |
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| 13:24.47 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:25.06 | adaro | 63 actually |
| 13:25.36 | adaro | Someone played in the snow for too long |
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| 13:25.54 | flavien | Have you already test enlightment? |
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| 13:27.38 | flavien | it's done |
| 13:27.47 | flavien | i have the message in english |
| 13:28.05 | babilen | great, could you paste it at http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:28.25 | babilen | (and the command) |
| 13:28.29 | flavien | yes |
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| 13:30.44 | cast | libpcap0.8 ... version 0.9, heh |
| 13:31.37 | flavien | www.pastebin.com/m31c4a54b |
| 13:32.13 | babilen | that url is wrong |
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| 13:32.39 | flavien | yes |
| 13:32.42 | flavien | i kwon |
| 13:32.46 | flavien | *know |
| 13:32.52 | SteveHH | moin@ all |
| 13:32.55 | flavien | but it's this URL |
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| 13:33.01 | babilen | SteveHH: moin .. |
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| 13:33.13 | echosystm | anyone know of an SSD that supports TRIM in linux? |
| 13:33.26 | echosystm | its been in the kernel for a while |
| 13:33.27 | babilen | flavien: could you give me the correct url ? |
| 13:33.35 | flavien | pastebin.com/m31c4a54b |
| 13:34.04 | flavien | without www. |
| 13:34.06 | flavien | ^^ |
| 13:35.20 | babilen | flavien: could you try 'aptitude install' please .. Why do you use 'dpkg --configure --force-all' ? |
| 13:36.03 | flavien | to try reconfigure his |
| 13:36.03 | ronr1 | I'm experimenting with ipv6 on a debian webserver I have running off site, how would I test if it works (ie. the server can be accessed using the ipv6 address I just gave it) from my 'normal' local (ipv4) lan? |
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| 13:36.33 | zxd | hi |
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| 13:37.02 | zxd | is this valid /var/lib/tftpboot/foo 10.0.0.1/32,10.0.0.129/32(rw,as ... |
| 13:37.03 | zxd | ? |
| 13:37.06 | zxd | two IP addresses |
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| 13:38.42 | flavien | aptitude upgrade |
| 13:40.27 | ronr1 | hmmm, come to think of it, is ipv6 usable / supported enough yet to migrate my webservers to ipv6 at all? |
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| 13:40.53 | babilen | flavien: what does /etc/init.d/hal restart give you? |
| 13:41.09 | babilen | flavien: Try stopping hal before executing 'aptitude install' |
| 13:41.22 | flikka | hi, i just changed my login name in my debian box but the home dir is still named as the old username, i cant just change the name |
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| 13:42.16 | babilen | flikka: just 'mv /home/old_name /home/new_name' you might have to chown the content as well |
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| 13:42.20 | flavien | same with stopped hal before upgrade |
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| 13:42.38 | babilen | flavien: upgrade == 'aptitude safe-upgrade' ? |
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| 13:43.04 | flavien | no |
| 13:43.10 | babilen | flavien: Did you '--force' anything else before? |
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| 13:43.26 | flavien | but i do safe-updrade before |
| 13:43.49 | babilen | flavien: just run 'aptitude install' and paste the result. (you don't have to paste it if the result is the same) |
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| 13:45.30 | babilen | flavien: second step: stop hal and execute "hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes" and paste the result |
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| 13:47.55 | flikka | babilen: but then i get "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" when i log in as that user |
| 13:48.32 | babilen | flikka: when you do what? |
| 13:48.43 | babilen | flikka: have we talked before? |
| 13:48.50 | flikka | i think so |
| 13:48.57 | babilen | flikka: right ... |
| 13:49.00 | babilen | hehe |
| 13:49.03 | flikka | hehe |
| 13:49.44 | flikka | lol, stil have the log file |
| 13:49.51 | babilen | flikka: have you changed the owner of the directory (and enclosed files) ? |
| 13:50.42 | flikka | /home/newuser is newuser:newuser |
| 13:50.49 | flikka | but no files under it |
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| 13:51.11 | babilen | flikka: is it a directory? |
| 13:51.32 | flikka | /home/newuser is a dir yes |
| 13:51.51 | babilen | flikka: what is the content of /home/old_user ? Does it match the content of /home/new_user (modulo ownership) ? |
| 13:52.41 | flikka | before the whole /home/olduser was olduser:olduser, now /home/newuser is newuser:newuser |
| 13:53.00 | flikka | i did a chown -R newuser:newuser /home/newuser |
| 13:53.05 | babilen | alright ... but you say that /home/newuser is empty .. why is that? |
| 13:53.25 | flikka | is isn't empty |
| 13:53.43 | babilen | flikka: 'but no files under it' ? |
| 13:54.29 | flikka | i menat that i only did chown newuser:newuser /home/newuser with no -R |
| 13:55.44 | babilen | ah, alright |
| 13:56.10 | flavien | babilen : pastebin/m3145dcad |
| 13:56.16 | flavien | babilen : pastebin.com/m3145dcad |
| 13:56.39 | babilen | flikka: which home directory is given in /etc/passwd for newuser ? |
| 13:56.47 | flikka | babilen: do u know how i can change the groupname to another? |
| 13:56.58 | babilen | flikka: chgrp |
| 13:57.14 | flikka | babilen: can i just rename it in /etc/passwd ? |
| 13:57.24 | flikka | couse it says oldname |
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| 13:57.38 | babilen | flikka: you can edit that, yes |
| 13:58.20 | flikka | babilen: should it be chgrp oldgroup newgroup? |
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| 13:58.50 | flikka | or the ohter way? |
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| 14:00.59 | babilen | flikka: you meant "how to change group membership for that *user*?" |
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| 14:01.38 | babilen | flikka: adduser |
| 14:02.02 | babilen | flavien: i could not open that paste |
| 14:02.19 | flikka | the old user named "old" was a member of the group old, now i changed the username to "new" but the user "new" is still a member of the group "old" and all the files and dirs in the homedir is new:old, how change "old" group to "new" |
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| 14:03.18 | flavien | it's not cad but cab |
| 14:03.24 | flavien | babilen : pastebin.com/m3145dcab |
| 14:03.53 | flikka | babilen: maby with groupmod -n new old |
| 14:04.12 | babilen | flikka: add the user to the new group (adduser), change the group for the files in /home/newuser .. optionally: delete old group (groupdel) |
| 14:04.35 | babilen | flikka: ah, yes. good find |
| 14:04.43 | flikka | babilen: ah now im good |
| 14:05.00 | flikka | babilen: but i donbt think i talked to u the last time, it was some guy named hamish |
| 14:06.12 | flavien | babilen: it's work? |
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| 14:08.10 | babilen | flavien: yes, could you restart udev ('/etc/init.d/udev restart') and try again |
| 14:08.39 | babilen | flikka_: alright |
| 14:09.31 | flavien | same error |
| 14:09.56 | flavien | and how to install the original firefox on debian? |
| 14:10.27 | babilen | flavien: you stopped hal before executing that command? |
| 14:10.42 | babilen | flavien: download and install firefox |
| 14:10.52 | Scurz | flavien: aptitude install iceweasel ? :-) |
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| 14:12.11 | flavien | same error |
| 14:12.26 | flavien | i don't really like Iceweasel |
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| 14:13.28 | babilen | flavien: you execute these commands as root, don't you? |
| 14:13.29 | macrobat | what's there not to like? |
| 14:13.56 | flavien | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.27 | flavien | macrobat: iceweasel is not the full firefox |
| 14:14.34 | babilen | flavien: and you can stop hal and udev just fine? does the package install without problems after you stopped them? |
| 14:14.58 | babilen | flavien: udev --> restart , hal --> stop |
| 14:15.10 | flavien | and is late than firefox |
| 14:15.13 | flavien | ok |
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| 14:16.01 | qwd | flavien: what do you mean it's not the full firefox? |
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| 14:16.14 | Cobra_Fast | Hi |
| 14:16.46 | flavien | babilen: it's doesn't work |
| 14:17.06 | Cobra_Fast | I changed motherboard/cpu/ram in my machine and now its not getting an IP anymore (i updated the mac-filter in my router) and the Athlon X2 appears as one CPU in htop. how to fix the two issues? |
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| 14:17.16 | flavien | qwd: firefox is 3.5.6 version and iceweasel 3.0.* |
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| 14:17.39 | macrobat | iceweasel is 3.5.6-1 in sid |
| 14:17.40 | qwd | flavien: so? that doesn't mean it's somehow incomplete. welcome to debian I guess? |
| 14:17.51 | liska | How do I check my alsa system works ? |
| 14:17.52 | Cobra_Fast | im using etch btw |
| 14:18.00 | flavien | and any functions are not implemanted |
| 14:18.14 | babilen | flavien: like what? |
| 14:18.56 | macrobat | liska: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 14:20.43 | flavien | i have no example but i know that iceweasel hasn't non-free part of firefox |
| 14:20.51 | macrobat | flavien: its just that pkgs in lenny are old, not that iceweasel is old |
| 14:21.10 | macrobat | !why iceweasel |
| 14:21.10 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 14:21.34 | Cobra_Fast | I changed motherboard/cpu/ram in my machine and now its not getting an IP anymore (i updated the mac-filter in my router) and the Athlon X2 appears as one CPU in htop. how to fix the two issues? (debian etch) |
| 14:21.38 | flavien | ah just this? |
| 14:21.43 | flavien | just the logo? |
| 14:21.45 | liska | macrobat, (unable to open slave) (main:564: audio open error:no file or directory) |
| 14:21.48 | module000 | flavien: and the name itself |
| 14:21.54 | qwd | flavien: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.3 |
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| 14:22.28 | flavien | i think that there are non-free function in firefox |
| 14:22.30 | flavien | ^^ |
| 14:22.48 | flavien | and flash player is avaible in backports? |
| 14:22.49 | Lasher | the icon is non-free |
| 14:22.56 | Lasher | that's why you have iceweasel |
| 14:23.00 | qwd | flash isn't a part of firefox |
| 14:23.04 | Justin | !+why iceweasel |
| 14:23.04 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 14:23.05 | Lasher | it's basically the same for icedove |
| 14:23.09 | Lasher | istead of thunderbird |
| 14:23.13 | qwd | iceweasel = firefox with another name and icon |
| 14:23.34 | flavien | ah ok |
| 14:23.34 | macrobat | !tell liska about alsa-checklist |
| 14:23.36 | Lasher | instead* |
| 14:23.48 | flavien | babilen: and for my problem? |
| 14:24.36 | liska | How do I check what group user I am ? |
| 14:24.48 | macrobat | liska: with "id" |
| 14:25.08 | little_owl | Hello, I tried to install some packages from the debian-multimedia repository and it complains that I am trying to install "untrusted versions of packages". It looks like I don't have needed keys. Do you know how to get them and how to install them? |
| 14:25.21 | Lasher | you need keyring |
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| 14:25.41 | little_owl | Keyring package? |
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| 14:26.10 | macrobat | liska: for adding "liska" to the audio group: gpasswd -a liska audio |
| 14:26.11 | Lasher | debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 14:27.06 | little_owl | Thanks for a hint! |
| 14:27.23 | liska | macrobat, It say I am in group 29-audio so first thing is ok... |
| 14:27.38 | Lasher | you're welcome |
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| 14:29.57 | liska | macrobat, (no mixer elems found) (alsamixer/gui) |
| 14:30.39 | macrobat | you tried "alsamixer" as root? |
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| 14:30.47 | flavien | babilen: please? |
| 14:30.57 | liska | macrobat, yes, the root terminal |
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| 14:31.23 | babilen | flavien: sorry, afk for a moment. try the channel or be patient/google the error |
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| 14:32.10 | flavien | ^^ |
| 14:32.15 | flavien | no problem |
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| 14:35.19 | justin_ | hi |
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| 14:35.41 | justin_ | how to set up my Audio Card with alsa? |
| 14:35.51 | justin_ | what are the packages needed? |
| 14:36.00 | liska | macrobat, No other idea for me ? |
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| 14:36.30 | macrobat | i don't know. do you have pulseaudio installed? |
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| 14:36.52 | liska | macrobat, no, I think I do not. |
| 14:37.02 | macrobat | you can google the error message from aplay, i guess |
| 14:37.07 | liska | macrobat, what it does ? |
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| 14:37.52 | macrobat | people often have problems with pulseaudio |
| 14:38.17 | Lasher | can anyone build a .deb package from a souce tarball? |
| 14:38.25 | justin_ | with aplay -l reporting no sound card found |
| 14:38.25 | Lasher | source* |
| 14:39.12 | macrobat | liska: maybe installing alsa-oss helps |
| 14:39.24 | macrobat | Lasher: yes |
| 14:40.00 | vlt | Hello. Is there a more elegant way to extract (all) files from an iso image than mounting it and copying? |
| 14:40.03 | Lasher | nice, would you mind doin' it for my pacman game? |
| 14:40.08 | macrobat | Lasher: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 |
| 14:40.21 | vlt | Something like a simple --reverse option in mkisofs? |
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| 14:40.46 | liska | macrobat, I have current version it says |
| 14:41.03 | Lasher | actually I've already tried but without success, tar was complaining about a non valid tarball archive and such |
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| 14:42.26 | liska | macrobat, It can play in sabayon with pulse audio souncard:(es1371) I could try pulse audio right ? |
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| 14:43.34 | macrobat | pulseaudio is an extra layer for sound. if you cant get sound at all, pulseaudio wont do it |
| 14:44.14 | macrobat | but you could play around with pulseaudio, maybe you get some good error messages to google |
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| 14:46.14 | liska | macrobat, gnome-alsamixer say I have soundcard-Cirrus Logic CS4297A // But I really have ensoniq. Does it mean something? |
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| 14:46.55 | macrobat | liska: you can check with lspci |
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| 14:47.46 | nsadmin | Lasher: do you have DESTDIR in your makefile's install target? |
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| 14:48.33 | liska | macrobat, Thanks to it, I was able to write you about, so I already know and I work with this information. The the wierdness it, why it show different card ? |
| 14:48.57 | Lasher | nsadmin: actually I skipped this step because I used prefix=/usr |
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| 14:49.43 | nsadmin | Lasher: put that in; that or something like that is required for packaging. |
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| 14:50.39 | Lasher | alright alright... I don't really see the point of adding a debian/foo folder but anyway I'll try it |
| 14:51.12 | nsadmin | DESTDIR is independent of prefix; both are used for packaging |
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| 14:51.36 | nsadmin | Lasher: you're the one asking for a packager :P |
| 14:51.52 | Lasher | ^^ |
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| 14:53.30 | nsadmin | so if DESTDIR is /some/where/else and --prefix=/usr, then your install target(s) will put everything in /some/where/else/usr |
| 14:53.46 | Lasher | yes I got that |
| 14:53.59 | Lasher | but to force /usr I thought I didn't need DESTDIR |
| 14:54.35 | nsadmin | to package, you do... the whys and stuff are explained in the packaging manual |
| 14:55.01 | nsadmin | but, hint, building the package involves running the intall target |
| 14:55.17 | Lasher | ok |
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| 15:10.34 | quitte | hi. is there a way to continue working when the home directory disappears? for example when it is on an usb stick? |
| 15:12.09 | Hoxzer | Hmmm never tried that ^_^ You could always login as a differnet user |
| 15:12.17 | zomGreg | or root |
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| 15:14.40 | quitte | thats not what i want, though. i want to keep a copy of the essential stuff on the local disk and still be able to use more space when the nfs server is in wifis reach or I insert a memory stick. |
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| 15:19.33 | regilda | ciao |
| 15:19.58 | regilda | !list |
| 15:19.58 | dpkg | regilda: VATTENE VIA |
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| 15:23.39 | zomGreg | quitte, can you clarify then? What I think you're asking is how to keep some files on a local /home dir, and if you have network access, use that for more space. Is that correct? |
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| 15:24.55 | zomGreg | or is your /home dir a network mount that sometimes is inaccessible? |
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| 15:28.30 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guys |
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| 15:30.12 | MaKuB3x | !help |
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| 15:31.30 | mani123 | how to install jdk6 in debian |
| 15:32.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 15:32.52 | WhiteCrow1 | i add testing repository and i update system i when system update finished i see this page and i want to know how can i do ? http://imagebin.ca/view/Ud_wiR.html |
| 15:32.53 | zomGreg | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/widget/jdk6.jsp < mani123 |
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| 15:33.21 | Zvpun | How can I see the differences with cvs between audacitiy 1.3.10-beta and the current cvs head? |
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| 15:34.36 | WhiteCrow1 | qwd: ping |
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| 15:36.48 | jelly | Zvpun: cvs diff ? |
| 15:36.50 | sixtila | i get this error -- corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive-- while trying to install gnome-system-tools |
| 15:36.57 | sixtila | how do i make it ok |
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| 15:39.00 | WhiteCrow1 | guys some body help me |
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| 15:39.38 | abou_7anash_009 | hi I am gettting kicked out of my debian server after being idle for a couple of mins...how can I increase this ? |
| 15:40.13 | jelly | sixtila: moev away the package from /var/cache/apt/archives, install the package again. You may have a hardware issue. |
| 15:40.17 | khaije|calli | abou_7anash_009: thats not a default settings, id suggest looking into network or server stability |
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| 15:41.08 | abou_7anash_009 | it happens on all servers the same timeout value...these were with another sysadmin before |
| 15:41.40 | khaije|calli | abou_7anash_009: oh, you're saying someone intentionaly set it up that way? |
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| 15:42.00 | abou_7anash_009 | khaije|calli: yeah the previous sysadmin..but I have no clue where |
| 15:42.02 | Zvpun | jelly: can I see the tags somehow? |
| 15:42.12 | sixtila | jelly the gnome-system-tools doesnt seem to be there |
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| 15:43.19 | jelly | Zvpun: no idea about more details than that |
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| 15:43.54 | jelly | sixtila: are you installing from cd/dvd media instead, then/ |
| 15:43.55 | jelly | ? |
| 15:44.22 | sixtila | i had installed lenny from a dvd, |
| 15:44.22 | jelly | sixtila: pastebin the exact command you ran and the whole output. |
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| 15:46.17 | sixtila | jelly http://pastebin.ca/1731901 |
| 15:46.40 | sixtila | and looks like everyhting is corrupt here , |
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| 15:48.59 | sixtila | here is what happens when trying to isntall it http://pastebin.ca/1731903 |
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| 15:49.27 | sixtila | !pastebinit |
| 15:49.27 | dpkg | pastebinit is, like, a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 15:49.57 | khaije|calli | abou_7anash_009: i asked google, which said: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=0ffda15bb8ec5edc9b1098d2cab016c4&p=4486371&postcount=7 |
| 15:50.53 | sixtila | while installing anything, i get errors with samba(s) |
| 15:51.12 | sixtila | samba-common, smbclient, smbs, and samba |
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| 15:52.12 | sixtila | smbfs --configure |
| 15:52.25 | ctmjr | sixtila: what cpu do you have and amount of ram |
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| 15:52.54 | sixtila | ctmjr 4gb ram, acer aspire 6350G, amd64 |
| 15:53.06 | ali3n | hello i was wondering if debian would work with Dell 1509 N wireless card |
| 15:53.30 | sixtila | will upgrading solve the problem, this whole installation is corrupt! |
| 15:53.38 | babilen | !tell ali3n -about hcl |
| 15:54.10 | babilen | ali3n: try Debian Live and find out. You could also tell us the pciid (lspci -nn) and we can help |
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| 15:54.28 | babilen | sixtila: It looks like you have broken hardware |
| 15:54.39 | sixtila | what could have been broken |
| 15:55.02 | sixtila | does installing many os many times cause this problem? |
| 15:55.09 | babilen | sixtila: all these issues are just not normal. Run memtest and any other hardware test suite that came with your computer |
| 15:55.27 | ctmjr | sixtila: you have been fighting this for 2 or 3 day's now i would either get another debian iso or another distro and see if it works you should not have all these problems |
| 15:55.29 | sixtila | it was vista, will that cd work? |
| 15:55.31 | babilen | sixtila: I doubt it. Do you have comparable problems with other OSs or distributions? |
| 15:55.35 | ali3n | well i wanna know before i waste a cd |
| 15:55.58 | sixtila | once i had same hash mismatch problem with ubuntu - but update made all clear |
| 15:56.16 | babilen | ali3n: then tell us the output of lspci -nn or check the hcls dpkg told you about |
| 15:56.22 | sixtila | can i upgrade or downgrade to another distro / version fom here ? |
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| 15:57.24 | babilen | sixtila: your network card was not supported by the stable installer IIRC, correct? |
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| 15:57.27 | ali3n | !pastebin |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:57.44 | babilen | ali3n: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 15:57.49 | ali3n | http://pastebin.com/d6b916fb0 |
| 15:57.59 | ali3n | theres the lspci -nn info :) |
| 15:58.01 | sixtila | with this version, the wireless is not supported - if thats what u mean babilen - but kernel update had solved it |
| 15:58.40 | ali3n | im just on ubuntu atm and my wireless works |
| 15:59.15 | sixtila | same with me with ubuntu |
| 15:59.51 | babilen | sixtila: ah, right. What was the problem with the netinstall then? And as ctmjr has already pointed out: You really should not face all these problems. I think that your hardware is broken or (maybe) that you just got a broken ISO (wonder why though, because the md5 was correct wasn't it?) |
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| 16:00.11 | ali3n | i just wanna switch to debian because all my boxes are debian lol |
| 16:00.16 | babilen | Justin: pciid 14e4:4328 |
| 16:00.29 | babilen | Justin: disregard that please, sorry |
| 16:00.35 | babilen | judd: pciid 14e4:4328 |
| 16:00.37 | judd | babilen: [14e4:4328] is 'BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4328 |
| 16:00.37 | sixtila | babilen no all the md5 was not correct - few were corrupt - and while using netinstall it fails to get data from the server - |
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| 16:01.05 | babilen | ali3n: ^^^ should work |
| 16:01.13 | ali3n | SWEET! |
| 16:01.20 | akio | project2501a, hello puppetmaster |
| 16:01.29 | ali3n | i gotta go to work so hopefully babilen your here later tonight when i switch :D |
| 16:01.32 | babilen | !bcm4328 |
| 16:01.32 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4328 is a low-power IEEE 802.11a/b/g single-chip transceiver. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time, ask me about <ndiswrapper>. http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4328 |
| 16:01.47 | babilen | ali3n: argh ... |
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| 16:02.02 | sixtila | this is a slightly new error i got today |
| 16:02.03 | sixtila | http://pastebin.ca/1731913 |
| 16:02.07 | ali3n | i just wanted to know before i actually burnt the disk |
| 16:02.16 | babilen | ali3n: yes, sure .. hang on |
| 16:02.50 | babilen | sixtila: your hardware (RAM or hdd) is definitely broken ... |
| 16:03.55 | sixtila | babilen I have no cd from vendor, but while booting grub, it has an option memory check or smthg, will that helpù' |
| 16:04.08 | sneezewort | How do you add additional IP addresses to a bound interface? |
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| 16:05.24 | babilen | sixtila: yes, please do that for a start |
| 16:05.39 | sixtila | ok thanks man! |
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| 16:06.28 | babilen | !broadcom-sta |
| 16:06.28 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>. |
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| 16:07.18 | WhiteCrow1 | guys i have problem i have 6 broken and i want to fix these but i cant plz see http://pastebin.com/m7122f24 |
| 16:07.28 | babilen | ali3n: I am unsure right now ... I don't have that card. You could install debian into a virtual machine and have a look |
| 16:08.39 | ali3n | ill just install debian if not i can always go back to ubuntu :) |
| 16:08.42 | ali3n | thanks guys i gotta run to work |
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| 16:09.49 | Lasher | nsadmin: same problem |
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| 16:09.56 | Lasher | "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" |
| 16:10.03 | Lasher | "tar: This does not look like a tar archive" |
| 16:10.11 | Lasher | "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" |
| 16:10.19 | WhiteCrow1 | plz help me |
| 16:10.31 | sixtila2 | during memory test, ECC is configured Off, is that okay? |
| 16:10.37 | Lasher | "dpkg-source: failure: tar--no-same-owner --no-same-permissions -xkf - gave error exit status 2" |
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| 16:10.54 | azeem_ | WhiteCrow1: ia32-libs is broken I believe |
| 16:11.11 | WhiteCrow1 | azeem_: what can i do ? |
| 16:11.21 | azeem_ | I don't know |
| 16:11.32 | azeem_ | try to remove/purge all those packages |
| 16:11.42 | WhiteCrow1 | azeem_: ok tnx for answer |
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| 16:13.45 | babilen | sixtila2: yes, thats fine |
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| 16:17.02 | WhiteCrow1 | azeem_: u right ia32-libs have problem and how can i remove this pakages ? |
| 16:18.22 | liska | System says I have no free space on / , but there is 300 MB , gparted knows it. How can I fix it ? |
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| 16:20.30 | babilen | liska: make more space. 5% of the space is usually reserved for root (and for good reason) run 'aptitude autoclean' or 'aptitude clean' to delete downloaded packages |
| 16:21.33 | liska | babilen, 0MB freed :)( |
| 16:21.41 | Lasher | :) |
| 16:22.39 | babilen | liska: and aptitude clean? |
| 16:23.09 | babilen | liska: you should really make more space. Changing the reserved space for root is possible (tune2fs) but I would not do it ... |
| 16:23.23 | babilen | liska: nothing you could delete/move somewhere else? |
| 16:23.38 | liska | babilen, 44MB appeard |
| 16:23.54 | liska | babilen, I am working on that :) |
| 16:25.19 | babilen | liska: how big is your / partition? |
| 16:25.35 | liska | 8GB |
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| 16:26.02 | liska | I used 1 to store data + debian |
| 16:26.17 | liska | I am removing my own data |
| 16:26.17 | babilen | liska: could you paste the output of 'df -h' please? |
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| 16:28.01 | liska | babilen, gparted say I have 1030mb free df -h say I have 649 free |
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| 16:28.42 | babilen | liska: as i said, some space if reserved |
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| 16:29.27 | liska | babilen, So, thats how it works :) |
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| 16:31.46 | babilen | liska: is *everything* on that 8gb partition? |
| 16:32.04 | babilen | !tell liska -about reserved disk space |
| 16:32.07 | liska | babilen, all debian and more |
| 16:32.43 | babilen | liska: guess you'll have to either delete some software/data or extend the partition |
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| 16:33.27 | ^paul^^ | Ciao a tutti. Auguri di una splendida giornata |
| 16:33.34 | Lasher | #debian.it |
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| 16:33.53 | Lasher | Dov'è il sole? |
| 16:34.08 | jelly | dpkg: find the sun |
| 16:34.23 | jelly | dpkg: locate sun |
| 16:34.23 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:34.40 | jelly | dpkg: the great yellow thing in the skies, sometimes |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | jelly: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 16:34.51 | liska | babilen, I think everything is ok, because there is 600mb free for debian or me |
| 16:35.23 | babilen | liska: ok, if you are fine with that. If you want to resize the partition have a look at gparted and resize2fs |
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| 16:36.24 | Taravel | ciao |
| 16:36.31 | Taravel | qual'è il comando per vedere che scheda di rete ho ? |
| 16:36.39 | liska | babilen, I use gparted |
| 16:36.46 | Taravel | sorry |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | !it |
| 16:36.50 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:37.14 | jelly | !which hardware |
| 16:37.32 | jelly | !whats my hardware |
| 16:37.32 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
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| 16:38.37 | jelly | Taravel: lshw is nice. lspci is possibly the most commonly available/used tool. |
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| 16:42.38 | zomGreg | i just emerged lshw on a gentoo system. File size? 1337 Kb. Must be a sign. |
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| 16:46.38 | jelly | zomGreg: you want to tell us all about this in #debian-offtopic, not here |
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| 16:48.34 | TJ13820 | I have a newly setup debian install and it seems to re-set the network adapter and assign a DHCP address instead of my specified static IP address of 10.0.0.5. The /etc/network/interfaces has "iface eth0 inet static" so dhcp shouldn't be called. Any ideas? |
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| 17:01.25 | mreh | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory. -- I get this from a makefile, but I have already installed the linux-source package |
| 17:01.37 | mreh | is this only part of the steps for installing the kernel source |
| 17:01.48 | TJ13820 | did you install the kernel headers? |
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| 17:01.58 | stew | mreh: you want linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:02.01 | mreh | TJ13820, I dont know |
| 17:02.29 | stew | mreh: build is for the configured sources which were used to build the kernel (from that -headers package), the -source packages are unconfigured source |
| 17:02.38 | TJ13820 | mreh: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:02.55 | mreh | yeah, I didn;t have those, lets see if it works |
| 17:03.05 | mreh | what are they used for? |
| 17:03.21 | TJ13820 | read what stew said :) |
| 17:04.18 | mreh | what goes on in the configuration step then? is it mostly location of other headers for linking? |
| 17:05.01 | TJ13820 | there are GUI tools that you can use to select/deselect kernel files and modules. That's what happens during configuration |
| 17:05.09 | TJ13820 | you can also do it manually line by line |
| 17:05.20 | stew | mreh: which configuration step? |
| 17:05.45 | mreh | stew: when you compile software by hand there is a configuration step |
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| 17:06.37 | stew | mreh: typically that consists of locating header files and libraries in order to prepare a build script |
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| 17:07.18 | wrongperm | hi, I can't acess some files, I get this http://paste.debian.net/55245/ with ls -la If I run ls -la. I can access them as root, tho |
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| 17:07.36 | wrongperm | ls -la shows right permisses for the user |
| 17:07.54 | mreh | wrongperm: do you have read access? |
| 17:07.59 | TJ13820 | does anyone have an idea why my system would drop back to dhcp and reset my network adapter from a staticly assigned ip address? |
| 17:08.18 | wrongperm | mreh: yes http://paste.debian.net/55244 |
| 17:08.20 | nsadmin | mreh when you compile -some- software by hand there is a config step :) |
| 17:08.31 | TJ13820 | wrongperm: are you the owner of the file? |
| 17:08.39 | wrongperm | yes |
| 17:08.40 | stew | wrongperm: you typically want to give directories +x whenever they have +r |
| 17:08.48 | mreh | nsadmin: there's always some software that isn't package for debian! |
| 17:08.48 | stew | wrongperm: and you really should be in #sidux |
| 17:09.02 | mreh | it's always the software you explicitly need! |
| 17:09.22 | wrongperm | stew: why would I want execute permise? |
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| 17:09.26 | mreh | compiling pidgin by hand is a b***h |
| 17:09.33 | nsadmin | I'm just saying not all sources have configure steps |
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| 17:10.12 | nsadmin | wrongperm: execute permission on a dir is permission to see list of files |
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| 17:10.51 | stew | wrongperm: becuase that's required to do anything with directory entries other than verify their existence |
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| 17:11.02 | stew | wrongperm: if you don't have execute on a directory you can't stat the files inside it |
| 17:11.03 | mreh | wrongperm: you didn't do ls -la on the dir you couldnt read as a user |
| 17:11.23 | nsadmin | read without execute on a dir means you can access something contained in it ONLY if you know its name |
| 17:11.25 | mreh | do it on /svn/live/db as root and paste |
| 17:11.36 | \amethyst | nsadmin: no, that's execute without read |
| 17:11.36 | mreh | then you'll see |
| 17:11.39 | stew | nsadmin: you can't access it at all, even if you know the name |
| 17:11.49 | stew | nsadmin: you can tell if it is there or not |
| 17:11.55 | stew | but not open it |
| 17:11.56 | \amethyst | nsadmin: read without execute means you can list the names of files within, but can do nothing with them, not even stat |
| 17:11.56 | stew | or stat it |
| 17:12.10 | \amethyst | s/within/directly within/ |
| 17:12.18 | nsadmin | hmm, that seems backwards |
| 17:12.32 | wrongperm | aight, hold on, ples |
| 17:12.43 | Lasher | nsadmin: have you seen what I wrote to you? |
| 17:12.46 | \amethyst | for a directory, "read" means "list the contents", and execute means "access the contents" |
| 17:13.09 | nsadmin | Lasher: no, I've been out and about for the last coupla hours |
| 17:13.15 | Lasher | okay |
| 17:13.21 | Lasher | I got the same error |
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| 17:13.41 | Lasher | I can't figure out why |
| 17:13.45 | nsadmin | never saw the first error |
| 17:13.50 | Lasher | okay wait |
| 17:13.57 | mreh | can I reboot debian, and start a minimum number of applications automatically |
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| 17:15.10 | nsadmin | mreh: sure |
| 17:15.53 | wrongperm | thank you guys |
| 17:15.56 | mreh | nsadim, is there a debian application for this? I seem to remember one but cannot find it |
| 17:16.29 | nsadmin | vi? emacs? nano? |
| 17:16.33 | mreh | I would write a script but I dont know how to sent applications to certain desktops |
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| 17:17.01 | wrongperm | is there a find xargs file script that could give 755 to all the directories? |
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| 17:17.28 | stew | wrongperm: "find /topdir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} +" |
| 17:17.45 | wrongperm | ty |
| 17:17.55 | nsadmin | +? \; |
| 17:17.59 | stew | wrongperm: if you want to use xargs, "find /topdir -type d | xargs chmod 755", but the + above makes find behave like xargs |
| 17:18.03 | stew | nsadmin: no, just + |
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| 17:18.15 | wrongperm | ahh |
| 17:18.34 | stew | act like xargs in that it will group as many into one command as possible |
| 17:18.44 | Lasher | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/m533db16c |
| 17:18.47 | nsadmin | that would be a parameter of -exec? |
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| 17:18.52 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:18.52 | jelly | chastises stew for not using -print0 | xargs -0 in an xargs example |
| 17:19.07 | stew | jelly: rightly |
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| 17:20.21 | wrongperm | hmm, that didn't go recursive |
| 17:20.35 | wrongperm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.45 | stew | no |
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| 17:20.59 | wrongperm | or find . --depth -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + |
| 17:20.59 | stew | you don't want to make files 755 i don't think, which the chmod -R would do. find is already recursive |
| 17:21.06 | nsadmin | Lasher: so it's saying the file that ends in .tar.gz is (1) not gzipped and (2) not a tar file |
| 17:21.07 | wrongperm | true |
| 17:21.08 | jelly | wrongperm: does a mere "find . -type d" go recursive? |
| 17:21.09 | wrongperm | true |
| 17:21.14 | emorris | hi, i can't seem to access packages.debian.org right now, so does anyone know where i can find mkraid and the like? |
| 17:21.53 | nsadmin | jelly: find is generally recursive so yes |
| 17:21.54 | Lasher | ask@deepthought:~$ file puckman_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:21.55 | Lasher | puckman_1.0.orig.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive (GNU) |
| 17:22.01 | jelly | nsadmin: I know. |
| 17:22.07 | wrongperm | jelly: looks like it, but the permisses aren't fixed |
| 17:22.21 | jelly | wrongperm: do you have permissions to fix them? |
| 17:22.24 | WhiteCrow1 | i have probleam >> plz help me << see >> http://imagebin.ca/view/so8d6nlX.html >> http://imagebin.ca/view/2omQHf5.html >> http://imagebin.ca/view/EmnCot.html |
| 17:22.28 | nsadmin | Lasher: so it's a tar that's not gzipped |
| 17:22.28 | jelly | :-) |
| 17:22.29 | wrongperm | I did as root, jelly |
| 17:22.38 | jelly | wrongperm: "should have worked" |
| 17:22.48 | wrongperm | tn |
| 17:22.49 | wrongperm | err |
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| 17:23.17 | stew | wrongperm: try it with "\;" instead of "+" at the end |
| 17:23.18 | nsadmin | it's named with .tar.gz but it's actually just .tar |
| 17:23.37 | wrongperm | k |
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| 17:23.55 | wrongperm | didnt work |
| 17:24.05 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, you could have much more easily used aptitude and used pastebin instead of 3 screenshots... |
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| 17:24.07 | jelly | wrongperm: is the filesystem mounted ro? Immutable bits set somewhere? Was there any output? |
| 17:24.10 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, what version of debian? |
| 17:24.47 | wrongperm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.50 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: hi my debian is lenny and i add testing repository and i have this probleam |
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| 17:24.54 | wrongperm | drwxr-xr-x 6 sidux sidux 4096 2009-12-30 11:35 db |
| 17:25.16 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, yes, it looks like your mixing releases |
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| 17:25.34 | nsadmin | WhiteCrow1: you plan to upgrade to testing? |
| 17:25.48 | WhiteCrow1 | yes |
| 17:25.57 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, typically, you can't do much other than fully upgrade to squeeze, depending on how many packages have been installed from those repos |
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| 17:26.16 | babilen | !tell WhiteCrow1 -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:26.21 | nsadmin | *: are there release notes for testing? |
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| 17:26.26 | babilen | no |
| 17:26.34 | babilen | it has not yet been released :-D |
| 17:26.38 | nsadmin | since it's not "released |
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| 17:27.06 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, paste the output of `apt-cache policy libc6` |
| 17:27.09 | babilen | but a lot of tips from the lenny release notes also apply to lenny->testing |
| 17:27.31 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: ok plz wait |
| 17:27.35 | saaber | hi, how can i fix this problem: http://pastebin.com/m7122f24 i have debian amd64 with lenny and testing repository added |
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| 17:28.10 | nsadmin | things like "upgrade aptitude, dpkg and apt-get first, then go from there"? |
| 17:28.11 | babilen | saaber: just listen to what we do with WhiteCrow1 ... |
| 17:28.20 | Titan8990 | babilen, did oyu look? |
| 17:28.28 | saaber | babilen: ah yes, thank you |
| 17:28.31 | Titan8990 | babilen, he is WhiteCrow1... look at the username on the output |
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| 17:28.33 | nsadmin | and "safe-upgrade then full-upgrade"? |
| 17:28.54 | babilen | i really shouldn't filter nick changes :-\ ... hehe |
| 17:29.00 | Titan8990 | saaber, WhiteCrow1, are you the same people or working on the same machine? |
| 17:29.02 | wrongperm | durr, I found my mistake, thanks jelly, stew, and #debian |
| 17:29.13 | nsadmin | saaber: do you intend to upgrade to testing? |
| 17:29.19 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: no and see >> http://pastebin.com/m31aba876 |
| 17:29.25 | saaber | Titan8990: jus working on same machine! |
| 17:29.29 | Titan8990 | babilen, he didn't change his nick, i meant look at the hostname on the output |
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| 17:29.51 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, reinstall debian or fully upgrade to testing |
| 17:29.56 | babilen | Titan8990: yeah, i've seen that now. Thanks for pointing that out |
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| 17:30.39 | Lasher | nsadmin: ok, last but not least of my problems: my program needs SDL_gfx but not the one from the official repository, the one from a .tar.gz archive |
| 17:30.53 | Lasher | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libSDL_gfx.so.13 (used by debian/puckman/usr/bin/puckman). |
| 17:31.08 | saaber | babilen: no problem, i'm his friend |
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| 17:31.13 | emorris | hi, i can't seem to access packages.debian.org right now, so does anyone know where i can find mkraid and the like? |
| 17:31.16 | nsadmin | Lasher: if this package is meant for debian, that won't work |
| 17:31.20 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: how can i do to upgrade when i have 6 borken |
| 17:31.36 | nsadmin | everything needed must be in debian. |
| 17:31.39 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, remove the broken packages and then reinstall them once you have fully upgraded |
| 17:31.45 | Lasher | :/ |
| 17:32.11 | Lasher | actually I don't understand why the libsdl-gfx1.2-dev doesn't produce the libSDL_gfx.so.13 file |
| 17:32.13 | nsadmin | but if you're packaging just to package, then by all means, go for it |
| 17:32.24 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: first and foremost: You don't want to do that upgrade from within X. Stop gdm/xdm/kdm and work from the command line. |
| 17:32.50 | Lasher | actually I'm packaging because it's easier for the end user to install |
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| 17:33.18 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: Titan8990 plz tell me how can i do ? step by step i new to debian |
| 17:33.21 | Lasher | rather than downloading a .tar.gz, uncompressing it and then running a ./installer script |
| 17:33.40 | nsadmin | the thing is, you can't easily control what versions of what programs are included in a particular version of debian |
| 17:33.46 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, aptitude remove <broken package> |
| 17:34.06 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, aptitude upgrade; aptitude install <package that i need but had to remove> |
| 17:34.07 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: and then upgrade again |
| 17:34.33 | Justin | Lasher: are you actually building the binary? |
| 17:34.45 | Titan8990 | WhiteCrow1, honestly... I would reinstall lenny, especially if you put /home on a sep partition |
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| 17:35.19 | Lasher | I've got a puckman.c file with pictures |
| 17:35.20 | nsadmin | Justin: probably the ./configure step is failing to find the appropriate version of libsdl |
| 17:35.52 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: ok tnx plz give me 5 min time |
| 17:36.26 | saaber | Titan8990: according to this http://pastebin.com/m7122f24 it seems there is only one file conflict! |
| 17:36.37 | saaber | Titan8990: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-glx-ia32 1:9-12-1 |
| 17:36.37 | Lasher | ask@deepthought:~/puckman-1.0$ dpkg -S libSDL_gfx.so.13 |
| 17:36.39 | Lasher | dpkg: *libSDL_gfx.so.13* not found. |
| 17:36.39 | dpkg | Lasher: wish i knew |
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| 17:37.25 | Titan8990 | saaber, remove ia32-libs or remove fglrx-glx |
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| 17:37.39 | saaber | WhiteCrow1: ^ |
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| 17:37.44 | WhiteCrow1 | hmmmmmm |
| 17:37.51 | Lasher | ask@deepthought:/usr/lib$ ls libSDL_gfx* |
| 17:37.51 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: saaber tnx |
| 17:37.52 | Lasher | libSDL_gfx.a libSDL_gfx.so libSDL_gfx.so.13.5.2 libSDL_gfx.so.4.9.0 |
| 17:37.54 | Lasher | libSDL_gfx.la libSDL_gfx.so.13 libSDL_gfx.so.4 |
| 17:39.48 | Lasher | so, do I have to stay stuck with the ./installer? |
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| 17:39.56 | WhiteCrow1 | tnx all of your guys and bye |
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| 17:44.59 | Dulin | Hi |
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| 17:57.35 | Lasher | anyway thanks for the hints |
| 17:57.55 | mrwill | just upgraded to lenny - apache2 is having trouble finding the php5 interpreter for cgi scripts |
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| 17:58.22 | mrwill | I removed the old etch php4, and now all attempts to execute php scripts are 'File not found' |
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| 17:58.46 | Lasher | try reinstalling apache and then php5 |
| 17:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Lasher -about apt-file |
| 17:58.50 | sixtila | babilen memory test complete pass=1, error = 0 |
| 17:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, libsdl-gfx1.2-4: /usr/lib/libSDL_gfx.so.13 |
| 18:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? you seem to already have it, though? |
| 18:00.43 | mrwill | Lasher: I'd try dpkg --reconfigure before I blindly reinstalled |
| 18:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't have it from a package... i.e. you messed it up |
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| 18:01.42 | mrud | hi, how can i get a list of all installed packages from experimental? |
| 18:02.09 | Lasher | CutMeOwnThroat: actually the only package supposed to have it is libsdl-gfx1.2-dev but it's not the case |
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| 18:02.44 | stew | mrud: you can't but "apt-show-versions" might help tell you how the versions you have installed compare to currently available versions |
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| 18:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, not when I look for it - also, a .so file shouldn't be in a -dev package |
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| 18:05.12 | Lasher | neither in libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 18:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian are you running, btw? |
| 18:06.01 | babilen | sixtila: so, your RAM is fine |
| 18:06.09 | Lasher | 5.0 |
| 18:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me like there's no /usr/lib/libSDL_gfx.so.13 in stable |
| 18:06.27 | Lasher | 5.0.3 lenny |
| 18:06.38 | sixtila | babilen luckily yes, man i was so scared |
| 18:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the libsdl-gfx1.2-4 package in testing/unstable, I guess |
| 18:06.48 | sixtila | took me over 1:30 hr |
| 18:06.53 | mrud | stew: hm thanks i tried it with aptitude search but did not find the correct expression |
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| 18:07.04 | sixtila | so my installation dvd must be corrupt then |
| 18:07.22 | itsosimpo | hey #debian, how do i default my printer settings to 300dpi? |
| 18:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, or so I think, because I'm also running stable and indeed, it's not there |
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| 18:08.40 | Lasher | no it's not in libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 18:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, you can backport libsdl-gfx1.2-4 from squeeze into lenny - or you'll have to wait for squeeze to become stable |
| 18:08.57 | Lasher | I already have libsdl-gfx1.2-4 installed |
| 18:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you READ what I was telling you? |
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| 18:09.46 | pipeline | you can probably cheat with pinning and install the squeeze sdl packages without any backporting |
| 18:09.54 | pipeline | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 18:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might depend on a newer libc6, though |
| 18:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or *something* |
| 18:10.53 | Lasher | what is in libsdl-gfx1.2-4 is libSDL_gfx.so.4.9.0 |
| 18:11.56 | MrTorque | hi. how can i send emails from my server (has a static IP in the Internet) to an internet e-mail account? i installed exim4, but i get User unknown in virtual mailbox table |
| 18:11.59 | Lasher | wait, the libsdl-gfx1.2-4 package isn't in stable? |
| 18:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 18:12.11 | Lasher | right |
| 18:12.21 | oggei | moin |
| 18:12.23 | stew | Lasher: it is, but there is a newer libsdl-gfx1.2-4 in testing which has /usr/lib/libSDL_gfx.so.13 |
| 18:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it doesn't contain what you're looking for |
| 18:12.34 | Lasher | oh |
| 18:13.03 | Lasher | I thought a same version of a package couldn't be in two branches |
| 18:13.19 | Lasher | that explains why I had to compile it from sources |
| 18:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, it's not - run apt-cache madison libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 18:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | or |
| 18:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 18:13.48 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libsdl-gfx1.2-4 -- etch: 2.0.13-2+b1 lenny: 2.0.13-4 sid: 2.0.20-1 squeeze: 2.0.20-1 |
| 18:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lasher, ^^^ |
| 18:13.57 | MrTorque | i want an simply possibility to send emails (with status information) to my e-mail addres. how can i achieve that? |
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| 18:14.02 | stew | Lasher: the same version of a package can be in two different branches, yes. in this case it is two different versions of the same package |
| 18:14.27 | stew | Lasher: you probably have the 2.0.13-4 version and need the 2.0.20-1 version |
| 18:14.40 | Lasher | okay |
| 18:14.49 | Lasher | so not testing, but unstable |
| 18:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | both have 2.0.20-1 |
| 18:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as I said, you can |
| 18:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 18:15.12 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 18:15.15 | sixtila | why doesnt this let me change the permission for the file -> chown sixtila debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:15.27 | Justin | sixtila: why does it say it doesn't let you |
| 18:15.27 | stew | sixtila: do you get an error? |
| 18:15.47 | sixtila | nop, but when i see the permission it is still held by the root |
| 18:15.54 | Lasher | ok ok |
| 18:15.59 | stew | Lasher: what makes you think you need this file in the first place? |
| 18:15.59 | sixtila | and the file has a X mark and a LOCK mark still |
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| 18:16.11 | Justin | fat32? |
| 18:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's an X and a lock mark? |
| 18:16.21 | sixtila | i think ntfs |
| 18:16.32 | stew | sixtila: ntfs doesn't support unix permissions |
| 18:16.34 | Lasher | sorry but I'm just back to debian since yesterday.. I have to update my memory status of branches names |
| 18:16.47 | pipeline | sixtila: mount -o uid |
| 18:16.54 | stew | Lasher: lenny is currently stable, squeeze is currently testing, sid is always unstable |
| 18:17.01 | sixtila | ok |
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| 18:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, ntfs does have different owners, though |
| 18:17.03 | Lasher | stew: I need the function arcRGBA() which is not present in the previous versions |
| 18:17.19 | pipeline | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, but you can't leverage those features in unix |
| 18:17.19 | Lasher | stew: thankis |
| 18:17.20 | Lasher | -i |
| 18:17.38 | stew | Lasher: you could try to backport the testing/unstable version: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:17.42 | stew | judd: src libsdl-gfx1.2-4 |
| 18:17.44 | judd | stew: libsdl-gfx1.2-4 -- Source: sdlgfx |
| 18:17.52 | stew | judd: build-dep sdlgfx --release sid |
| 18:17.54 | judd | stew: sdlgfx -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 5.0), libsdl1.2-dev (>= 1.2.5-8), quilt |
| 18:18.24 | stew | Lasher: and looking at that ^^ backporting should be straightforward |
| 18:18.43 | Lasher | or I can move to squeeze, actually I wanted to be in testing |
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| 18:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipeline, only if the driver doesn't allow you to - there's no reason (I can think of) why something that's identical shouldn't be accessible via the same system calls (and i.e. by chown) |
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| 18:19.48 | sixtila | chown sixtila win |
| 18:19.48 | sixtila | chown: changing ownership of `win': Read-only file system |
| 18:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 18:20.06 | sixtila | how can i see its contents? |
| 18:20.11 | sixtila | i mounted it with -o |
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| 18:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you use the fuse ntfs-3g driver to mount this or the ntfs one? |
| 18:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and didn't you just say you don't get an error? |
| 18:20.51 | pipeline | sixtila: -o is just the generic argument for a list of options |
| 18:21.10 | sixtila | ok |
| 18:21.22 | pipeline | sixtila: "umask" and "uid" are the options you want. probably umask=222. it will make it look like every single file has permissions 555. |
| 18:21.27 | pipeline | so uh... |
| 18:21.40 | sixtila | i have the iso file in my desktop now, how do i see if that is also corrupt or not |
| 18:21.44 | pipeline | sixtila: mount -t ntfs -o umask=222,uid=sixtila /dev/whatever /mountpoint |
| 18:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! what he probably wants is |
| 18:21.49 | GattoDiSchroding | someone has this bug? (debian testing): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560700 |
| 18:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntfs-3g |
| 18:21.59 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <bpo etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 18:22.38 | sixtila | i cant install ntfs 3g in mine, i cant install anything here |
| 18:22.42 | sixtila | it is all corrupt |
| 18:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sixtila, you mean it's taking bribes and embezzles money? |
| 18:23.41 | sixtila | haha |
| 18:23.42 | sixtila | nop |
| 18:23.49 | sixtila | my debian has gone insane |
| 18:23.54 | sixtila | cant install anyting, |
| 18:24.01 | sixtila | or update anything |
| 18:24.07 | stew | sixtila: why not? |
| 18:24.26 | ctmjr | sixtila: why would a debian iso be ntfs think about it |
| 18:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | GattoDiSchroding, the guy who rote the bugreport and the one who answered it? |
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| 18:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | sixtila... |
| 18:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !real problem |
| 18:25.04 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 18:25.09 | sixtila | i hava a copy of debian installation in my ntfs, now wanting to see if that copy is sorrupt or not - i have to reinstall my debian |
| 18:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't really install a debian system on ntfs |
| 18:25.48 | iceroot | and you dont want!! |
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| 18:27.24 | sixtila | can i write to that ntfs now? i says only readonly |
| 18:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, actually - even if he wanted to - the installer would never allow for it... so at least this way you also can't (you could, of course, copy all files of an existing debian onto ntfs... *wince* think devices) |
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| 18:28.09 | sixtila | i am not installing debian in ntfs, |
| 18:28.13 | sixtila | i have two disks |
| 18:28.25 | sixtila | debian is in ext3 |
| 18:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sixtila, we can't tell you, because we have no fucking clue what you did to arrive at your current state |
| 18:28.57 | sixtila | i wanted to make backup of data to my ntfs from debian |
| 18:29.03 | sixtila | i m installing debian again |
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| 18:29.37 | sixtila | i got the md5sum hash |
| 18:29.38 | sixtila | 96e03d030788baadb57fb5a619555868 debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:29.46 | sixtila | how to know if that is corrupt or not |
| 18:29.55 | PinkFreud | sixtila: make sure you store that backup in a tarball, at least, otherwise you'll lose permissions and ownership information on those files. |
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| 18:30.02 | stew | sixtila: you don't want to backup just by copying files to ntfs, becuase you'll lose permission/ownership info, you can tar it instead |
| 18:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what data did you try to backup? |
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| 18:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what's the netinst iso gotta do with backuped data |
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| 18:31.25 | sixtila | its all fine now, i wanna see if that iso is ok or not, then make a bootable flash drive with it, and install debian again |
| 18:31.49 | sixtila | how do i know if that is also corrupt? |
| 18:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "also"? |
| 18:32.17 | sixtila | i have installed debian so many times |
| 18:32.21 | sixtila | and all time error |
| 18:32.30 | sixtila | RAM is ok, so should be a corrupt installation |
| 18:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean a mis-burned CD? |
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| 18:33.03 | Justin | who says the ram is ok? |
| 18:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what IS the error you get? |
| 18:33.48 | sixtila | i cant install/upgrade anything |
| 18:33.49 | sixtila | aptitude says it will remove everything, then when trying to install anything it cant fetch any data |
| 18:33.49 | Justin | ooooh |
| 18:33.49 | Justin | you're the same guy from the other day |
| 18:33.50 | sixtila | Justin yes, ram is ok |
| 18:33.53 | Justin | your hardware is fucked |
| 18:33.53 | sixtila | yes justin |
| 18:34.13 | sixtila | even if RAM is ok? |
| 18:34.29 | Justin | no, most likely your ram is part of the fucked hardware part |
| 18:34.38 | sixtila | c'mon |
| 18:34.57 | sixtila | how do i check if that iso is corrupt or not? md5sum? |
| 18:35.13 | sixtila | i will give one last try |
| 18:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | md5sum <yourfile>? |
| 18:35.13 | Justin | we went over this the other day |
| 18:35.16 | Justin | your hardware is fucked |
| 18:35.26 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, but they don't post what the md5sum should be |
| 18:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I still think !real question applies |
| 18:35.45 | sixtila | cutmeownthroat 96e03d030788baadb57fb5a619555868 debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, they don't? |
| 18:35.50 | sixtila | how do i check it |
| 18:36.05 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, i tried to check for someone the other day and couldn't find it |
| 18:36.06 | Justin | sixtila: put 96e03d030788baadb57fb5a619555868 into google |
| 18:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, should be in the same dir you found the iso in (or, of course, the same dir of a different more trustworthy mirror) |
| 18:36.53 | sixtila | cool , that hash matches |
| 18:36.58 | sixtila | i m gonna retry once more |
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| 18:37.16 | sixtila | can the problem be becuase i have been making the bootable usb in Ubuntu?? |
| 18:37.27 | Justin | no, the problem is that your hardware is fucked! |
| 18:37.35 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | sixtila, repeating things that don't work doesn't fix them |
| 18:37.46 | sixtila | justing how can we be sure |
| 18:37.56 | sixtila | last time it was another iso from where i installed |
| 18:37.57 | Justin | wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb -q -O- | md5sum |
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| 18:38.07 | Justin | you ran that how many times the other day, and not once did you get the right m5sum? |
| 18:38.38 | sixtila | that gives another md5sum |
| 18:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, easy pie... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 18:38.50 | sigmonsays | anyone know of environment variables or arguments to debians postinst package script? I'm trying to get the package name from inside postinst. |
| 18:38.56 | sixtila | and google doesnt have it |
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| 18:39.05 | Justin | sixtila: because. your. hardware. is. fucked. |
| 18:39.28 | ranix | sixtila: if you run that and get the wrong md5, you probably have a bad cable modem |
| 18:39.50 | sixtila | justin cant it be i got a bad installer in the first place? |
| 18:39.54 | ranix | or whatever else, adtran, dialup, whatever |
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| 18:40.05 | Justin | sixtila: what the hell is wrong with you? |
| 18:40.13 | Lasher | lol |
| 18:40.17 | ranix | Justin: calm down |
| 18:40.23 | sixtila | ha ha |
| 18:40.29 | Justin | ranix: stop wasting peoples time |
| 18:40.30 | Justin | er |
| 18:40.34 | ranix | >:[ |
| 18:40.36 | Justin | sixtila: stop wasting peoples time |
| 18:40.44 | ranix | you don't have to answer |
| 18:40.45 | zomGreg | anyone ever run vmware fusion on a debian host? Any problems? |
| 18:40.46 | Justin | sixtila: i told you your hardware was fucked the other day |
| 18:40.52 | Justin | sixtila: it is still fucked |
| 18:41.09 | Justin | sixtila: no ammount of downloading and redownloading the same thing is going to fix that |
| 18:41.39 | sixtila | can we pinpoint what exactly is the problem, in which hardware part? |
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| 18:42.18 | ranix | sixtila: it's less likely to be your nic or router, more likely the ISP or your modem/adtran |
| 18:42.25 | ranix | sixtila: could be RAM |
| 18:42.38 | sixtila | so it is not my laptop is it? my ram is okay, i checked it ranix |
| 18:42.52 | Titan8990 | couldn't you test that by checking md5sum on a remote computer, downloading file over LAN to local PC and then check md5sum? |
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| 18:43.00 | Justin | Titan8990: we. just. did. that. |
| 18:43.07 | ranix | sixtila: if you had read what I said, you would be able to answer that question |
| 18:43.30 | sixtila | ok, means my laptop is not bad - |
| 18:43.40 | Titan8990 | Justin, that was going across the internet, I was talking about eliminating modem or network gateway as source of the problem |
| 18:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Justin, breathe. slowly. |
| 18:44.32 | sixtila | can changing the router be of anyhelp? |
| 18:44.44 | sixtila | or if i hook up the internet from somewhere else |
| 18:45.23 | Titan8990 | sixtila, hooking up to the internet via another network could eliminate your network equipment as being the issue |
| 18:45.40 | sixtila | ok, i will try that and see if it works |
| 18:45.48 | sixtila | thanks #debian |
| 18:45.51 | sixtila | gtg |
| 18:46.01 | sixtila | will give another try before accepting defeat |
| 18:46.09 | ranix | sixtila: never say die |
| 18:46.16 | ranix | the south will rise again |
| 18:46.23 | Lasher | it will only be the 42nd try |
| 18:46.26 | Lasher | :p |
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| 18:46.37 | sixtila | it will now be my 6th try i think |
| 18:46.38 | sixtila | lol |
| 18:46.41 | sixtila | haha |
| 18:46.51 | sixtila | else i will stay for a while with ubuntu i guess |
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| 18:47.03 | Joelito | hello, what's the usage of apt-get --download-only? |
| 18:47.20 | Justin | "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" |
| 18:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that a trick question? |
| 18:47.24 | chops | Joelito: Are you asking how it's used, or why someone would use it? |
| 18:47.27 | stew | Joelito: apt-get --downlolad-only install packagename |
| 18:47.35 | ctmjr | sixtila: do you have problems with ubuntu? downlowding files and such |
| 18:47.38 | zomGreg | apt-get -d |
| 18:47.47 | stew | Joelito: that will put the .deb intp /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:47.57 | Joelito | stew, does it wotk also for preinstalled packages? |
| 18:47.58 | sixtila | ctmjr nop |
| 18:48.03 | sixtila | ubutnu just runs fine |
| 18:48.09 | fidin | i often need to kill -9 the pid of a hanging ssh client when my laptop wakes up by doing 'ps ax | grep ssh | grep remotecomputername' to get the pid and then 'kill -9 <pid>'. Is there a way to do this in one command? |
| 18:48.09 | Joelito | chops, how := |
| 18:48.12 | stew | Joelito: i think so |
| 18:48.16 | sixtila | once had a problem, similar but the update solved it |
| 18:48.37 | Justin | fidin: just type \n~. in the ssh window |
| 18:48.51 | ranix | fidin: when you launch SSH, you can specify the escape character via "-e ~" or similar |
| 18:49.06 | ranix | fidin: the default is ~ |
| 18:49.20 | ranix | fidin: ~. will disconnect and close as long as ssh itself isn't hung (just the connection) |
| 18:49.26 | Justin | \n~. |
| 18:49.27 | Justin | not ~. |
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| 18:49.53 | ranix | I don't believe the \n serves any purpose |
| 18:50.18 | Justin | ranix: are you using irc over ssh by any chance? |
| 18:50.19 | Joelito | stew, no...doesn't work for preinstalled packages |
| 18:50.29 | ranix | Justin: yes, why |
| 18:50.33 | ctmjr | sixtila: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual read it use it |
| 18:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | fidin, "pkill -f remotecomputername" |
| 18:50.36 | stew | Joelito: add --reinstall |
| 18:50.37 | Justin | ranix: you just typed ~. did you not? |
| 18:50.58 | sixtila | justin if the hardware was broken wouldn't ubuntu behave the same way? |
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| 18:51.16 | Justin | sixtila: run the wget | md5sum command in ubuntu a bunch of times |
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| 18:51.41 | sixtila | ok, lemme switch back to ubuntu |
| 18:51.42 | jaggz | is can't find the full serial number of sda .. it's dying.. |
| 18:51.50 | ranix | Justin: ah I understand what you mean now |
| 18:51.51 | jaggz | I don't know which drive it is though.. 1 of 2 in a mirror |
| 18:51.56 | Justin | sixtila: I would download and run stressapptest from google |
| 18:51.57 | Justin | grr |
| 18:51.58 | Joelito | stew, if use: sudo apt-get --download-only --reinstall openoffice.org-l10n-es, I got operation invalid for openoffice.org-l10n-es |
| 18:52.16 | ranix | Justin: I hadn't realized the escape key only works after a newline keypress |
| 18:52.22 | jaggz | cat proc/scsi/scsi shows the drive's part number, but it doesn't show the last 4 digits which distinguish the two from each other.. |
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| 18:52.44 | Justin | jaggz: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
| 18:52.45 | azeem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.46 | azeem_ | bah |
| 18:53.00 | tefen | how come unrar -e file.rar fails extracting files in a directory within the archive? on debian |
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| 18:53.25 | tefen | i have unrar-free installed |
| 18:53.27 | fidin | Justin: \n~. didnt do anything. it's a hanging irssi window in the ssh client |
| 18:53.28 | chops | tefen: What's the exact error? |
| 18:53.38 | Justin | fidin: did you type \n or press enter? |
| 18:53.46 | tefen | it extracts a .rar file within the archive.. but it doesn't extract .txt files within it |
| 18:53.48 | tefen | it says failed |
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| 18:54.04 | chops | tefen: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running and the full error? |
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| 18:54.10 | fidin | Justin yeah |
| 18:54.25 | ranix | fidin: do <enter>~. |
| 18:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | tefen, perhaps it's encrypted... or corrupted |
| 18:54.39 | ranix | enter itself puts in the newline character for you |
| 18:54.40 | fidin | ranix ohhh |
| 18:54.44 | fidin | yeah that worked :) cooool |
| 18:54.47 | fidin | thanks nice trick |
| 18:54.49 | ranix | yeah it is super nifty |
| 18:54.50 | sixtila | justin is it wget| md5sum |
| 18:55.07 | iamMgMT | hi my new video card wont work. its a nvidia 9400gt. the mobo is a foxconn a78ax series. im getting a beep code for video problem |
| 18:55.11 | fidin | you'd be surprised how many people dont know about that. in years of using linux around people no one has suggested that |
| 18:55.19 | sigmonsays | Does anyone have a "debian repo package browsing" web interface? |
| 18:55.28 | sigmonsays | I'd like to make a dashboard of various packages I want to watch |
| 18:55.38 | ranix | fidin: #debian has a remarkable number of people who know what they're doing |
| 18:55.51 | fidin | yeah that's why i tend to ask the more complex questions here rather than #ubuntu |
| 18:56.05 | torgrim_ | sigmonsays: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 18:56.14 | ranix | fidin: don't use ubuntu >:( |
| 18:56.15 | sigmonsays | for my own repositories torgrim_ |
| 18:56.21 | tefen | chops, http://pastebin.ca/1732106 |
| 18:56.23 | fidin | it's debian based :( |
| 18:56.30 | Justin | sixtila: wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb -q -O- | md5sum |
| 18:56.31 | ranix | dfsg etc. |
| 18:56.33 | iamMgMT | if a graphics card has spdif and the mobo doesnt, will they not work together? |
| 18:56.36 | chops | !ubuntusmite fidin |
| 18:56.36 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around fidin and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 18:56.39 | tefen | CutMeOwnThroat the .rar extracts fine on windows |
| 18:56.46 | Justin | sixtila: also try http://code.google.com/p/stressapptest/wiki/Introduction |
| 18:56.50 | stew | iamMgMT: you get a beep code while trying to boot? |
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| 18:57.10 | fidin | well i just got a netbook, and was going to put ubuntu remix on it, unless debian has a version which is optomized for the intel atom cpu? |
| 18:57.13 | iamMgMT | stew yeah, its a long beep with two short beeps, i looked that up and its a video problem |
| 18:57.22 | stew | iamMgMT: then #hardware might be a better place to ask |
| 18:57.33 | iamMgMT | ok |
| 18:57.34 | iamMgMT | thanks! |
| 18:57.35 | ranix | fidin: "optimized for the intel atom" is meaningless |
| 18:57.38 | tefen | chops and CutMeOwnThroat http://pastebin.ca/1732106 -- rar extracts fine on windows.. |
| 18:57.44 | stew | fidin: debian does not have any such thing |
| 18:57.46 | ranix | fidin: the atom is just an x86(/64?) cpu |
| 18:58.04 | iamMgMT | stew there is no #hardware |
| 18:58.04 | sixtila | justin most of the time the # is the same, but sometimes it is different |
| 18:58.06 | chops | tefen: No idea... try filing a bug against unrar-free. You could also try the nonfree unrar. |
| 18:58.11 | fidin | it's 32 bit i think |
| 18:58.18 | stew | iamMgMT: sorry i should have said ##hardware |
| 18:58.19 | sixtila | justin so it is a proof that hardware is broken? |
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| 18:58.47 | ranix | fidin: if you want to know why "optimized for" is meaningless, you can do a quick google on processor extensions and cflags |
| 18:58.54 | jaggz | justin, cool |
| 18:58.56 | tefen | chops how do i get that? |
| 18:59.09 | ranix | fidin: or #gentoo would know |
| 18:59.11 | ranix | hehe |
| 18:59.24 | fidin | so it's just a marketing thing? |
| 18:59.25 | ranix | gotta make sure ncurses is using MMX you see |
| 18:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tefen, try the non-free package unrar? dpkg -s unrar-free or the documentation in /usr/share/doc/unrar-free would have told you about the unrar-free limitations |
| 18:59.27 | chops | tefen: The non-free one is just "unrar" (from non-free) |
| 18:59.34 | qwd | tefen: I'm guessing the rar file inside the archive is compressed by the rar version that the free version can't handle |
| 18:59.48 | jaggz | works :) |
| 19:00.48 | qwd | tefen: If I understood your problem correctly... "works on windows" doesn't really matter as you're probably using winrar there :) |
| 19:00.59 | tefen | i am using winrar |
| 19:00.59 | tefen | ;P |
| 19:01.02 | tefen | ill just use winscp |
| 19:01.06 | tefen | to put up the files |
| 19:01.09 | tefen | thanks |
| 19:01.13 | heparc_2 | dépot for icedove 3 on AMD64 ? |
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| 19:07.50 | pozic | I get "Unable to load DBus libraries", when I run hp-systray and click "HP Device manager". |
| 19:08.31 | pozic | The problem being that it seems that there are lots of DBus libraries. |
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| 19:11.32 | iamMgMT | if my pci-e slot is broke do i need a new mobo to use a pci-e video card? |
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| 19:12.32 | pozic | iamMgMT: unless you have 2, the practical answer is yes. |
| 19:13.37 | chops | iamMgMT: In practice you should replace broken hardware as soon as possible... if your mobo is broken, it's likely to damage your other components by sending them incorrect voltages and such |
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| 19:14.58 | pozic | loves wrong dependency information! |
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| 19:15.27 | pozic | Especially when the OpenSuse community figured out the same thing 7 months ago. |
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| 19:15.46 | iamMgMT | chops i think thats the problem, my new video card wont work, and the old one i had started on fire in that pci-e slot |
| 19:15.48 | Lasher | heparc_2: http://packages.debian.org/search?arch=amd64&keywords=icedove |
| 19:15.52 | pozic | Fixing the same bugs in 200 distributions. How efficient. End rant. |
| 19:16.15 | chops | iamMgMT: Under no circumstances should you buy a new video card and place it in a broken slot. Take it out right now. |
| 19:16.21 | stew | pozic: are you talking about a bug currently in debian? is it reported to the bts? |
| 19:16.30 | ranix | pozic: ubuntu/kubuntu/goobuntu/mint/etc. aren't real distributions |
| 19:16.33 | iamMgMT | chops i already did, but would that mean the slot is broken? |
| 19:16.35 | ranix | /rants |
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| 19:16.57 | chops | iamMgMT: It's okay to test if the caught-on-fire card managed to damage the slot or not, but if the slot is broken don't expose the new card to the damaged slot for any longer than you need to |
| 19:16.59 | iamMgMT | chops and should i buy the same mobo again? i didnt have any problems with it up until now |
| 19:17.08 | chops | iamMgMT: What mobo was it? |
| 19:17.18 | chops | iamMgMT: How did the video card catch fire? |
| 19:17.31 | ranix | sounds like it was manufactured by EVGA |
| 19:17.32 | iamMgMT | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186147&cm_re=foxconn-_-13-186-147-_-Product |
| 19:17.34 | ranix | and/or was ATI |
| 19:17.43 | iamMgMT | chops the fan broke and it over heated |
| 19:17.45 | pozic | stew: https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/30741 |
| 19:17.58 | iamMgMT | it was a nvidia 8600gt by zotac |
| 19:18.04 | chops | iamMgMT: :-( |
| 19:18.05 | ranix | ah just bad luck then |
| 19:18.34 | stew | pozic: is that bug currently in debian? is it reported to the bts? |
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| 19:18.36 | iamMgMT | luckily the case was open at the time and i cought it before any real damage was done |
| 19:19.10 | ranix | are you sure the pcie slot is toasty |
| 19:19.45 | iamMgMT | i think so, im getting beep's when i turn it on, and its video problem beeps, plus i tested the card in an old computer and the card works |
| 19:19.49 | pozic | stew: hplip needs python-qt4-dbus. |
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| 19:19.57 | chops | iamMgMT: My personal preference is for name-brand mobos (Asus is good); you'll pay a bit more, but they tend to last a lot longer and not give you hassles along the way |
| 19:20.06 | chops | iamMgMT: Yeah, that sounds like a broken mobo :-( |
| 19:20.22 | ranix | is asus good again? They were using cheap taiwanese parts for the longest time |
| 19:20.26 | pozic | stew: if you don't install it, you get an error message when you use a certain application at run-time without referring to a Debian package which should be installed. |
| 19:20.31 | stew | judd: depends hplip --release sid |
| 19:20.32 | judd | stew: hplip -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libsane (>= 1.0.11-3), libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.2.1~dfsg), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8k-1), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12), python-dbus (>= 0.80), python-imaging, python-pexpect, coreutils (>= 5.1.0), lsb-base (>= 3), adduser (>= 3.34), cups (>= 1.1.20), cups-client (>= 1.1.20), hplip-data (= 3.9.12-1), policykit-1 |
| 19:20.39 | iamMgMT | chops, the only reason i was thinking about buying the same thing is because i know it will support my hardware |
| 19:20.44 | pozic | stew: it is also not in the "Recommended" section. |
| 19:20.46 | chops | ranix: They've always treated me well. Gigabyte and MSI are supposed to be good as well. |
| 19:20.58 | stew | pozic: has this bug been filed? |
| 19:21.05 | pozic | stew: I don't know. |
| 19:21.10 | iamMgMT | the new card is a msi nvidia 9400gt |
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| 19:21.16 | stew | pozic: check? |
| 19:21.21 | ranix | I've had a few communications problems with asus like advertising a motherboard as having RAM overvolting ability when it doesn't |
| 19:21.22 | pozic | stew: OK |
| 19:21.31 | chops | iamMgMT: If you liked your last one I'd say go for it. I was just saying that my personal preference has always been to spend a bit more on a name-brand one |
| 19:21.45 | ranix | and call them and they say it does, but when I ask them how they will "call me back asap" |
| 19:21.49 | ranix | and never heard from them |
| 19:22.12 | iamMgMT | chops also if a card has spdif and the mobo doesnt is that a problem? |
| 19:22.46 | ranix | iamMgMT: spdif is usually for sound |
| 19:23.05 | ctmjr | iamMgMT: yes if you want audio and the card only has dvi connections |
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| 19:23.29 | iamMgMT | i think the spdif is for the hdmi port |
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| 19:23.42 | ranix | fsvo "for" |
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| 19:24.18 | pozic | stew: reported, but way too much talk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520789 |
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| 19:24.40 | pozic | stew: i.e., reported 9 months ago, but it doesn't work today. |
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| 19:25.33 | denisesball | anyone have any clue why i can get through 99% fo an install with lenny on i2o adaptec drives but it fails on installing grub? i can't install grub any of the other ways i know either |
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| 19:25.56 | stew | pozic: the reopen the bug |
| 19:26.04 | stew | pozic: with information about how to reproduce it |
| 19:26.10 | ranix | denisesball: can you further describe "fails" |
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| 19:27.01 | denisesball | ranix: "An installation step failed. You can try running the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" |
| 19:27.04 | stew | pozic: what version are you using currently? |
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| 19:27.31 | ranix | denisesball: can you try switching to console 2 (alt f2) and running grub-install (hd0) ? |
| 19:27.34 | stew | pozic: are you sure you are using the version which is marked as fixed? |
| 19:27.43 | ranix | denisesball: that should give you more meaningful failure messages |
| 19:28.14 | pozic | stew: it is slightly more complex. |
| 19:28.19 | denisesball | similar to this, but this solution did not work for me - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/i2o-block-arrays-trouble-linux-fails-to-install-grub-at-the-end-of-successful-installation/ |
| 19:28.22 | stew | pozic: what is? |
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| 19:28.54 | pozic | stew: how can I get the package name on my system from a file? |
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| 19:29.10 | stew | pozic: dpkg -S filename |
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| 19:29.27 | pozic | stew: because it appears that I have tools installed that are now only available from another package name (that I do not have installed). |
| 19:29.34 | denisesball | ranix: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 19:29.50 | ranix | denisesball: try escaping the parenthesis |
| 19:29.55 | stew | pozic: and those are the tools which are broken? |
| 19:29.57 | ranix | \(hd0\) |
| 19:29.58 | denisesball | with fdisk i see /dev/i2o/hda1 (root) and hda2 (swap) |
| 19:30.16 | ranix | denisesball: is hda1 marked bootable? |
| 19:30.25 | denisesball | ranix: yes |
| 19:30.33 | denisesball | grub-install doesnt exist, did you mean grub-installer? |
| 19:30.43 | ranix | hm no |
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| 19:30.49 | pozic | stew: ok, so my system says that hp-systray is part of hplip, but it isn't anymore. So, upgrading hplib won't do anything to fix the bugs that were found in hp-systray which is now part of hplip-gui. |
| 19:30.51 | ranix | grub-installer is the graphical utility |
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| 19:31.14 | pozic | stew: so, the correct solution would be for the system to keep track of programs that have moved from one package to another on upgrade. |
| 19:31.20 | denisesball | the only grub related commant in my path is grub-installer |
| 19:31.25 | ranix | denisesball: I was unaware the installer didn't always contain grub-install |
| 19:31.26 | pozic | stew: maybe this already happens, but if it does, there is a bug there. |
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| 19:31.59 | denisesball | ranix: i can boot into rescue mode if you want |
| 19:32.06 | ranix | denisesball: try going back to the automated install and give it /dev/i2o/hda or hda1 instead of (hd0,0) |
| 19:32.15 | paissad-hp | i've chosen a banner for ssh, " /etc/ssh/sshd_banner ... but it does work, but i would like to know if it's possible to colorize it ! |
| 19:32.26 | ranix | denisesball: then I'll bow out, I don't know enough about the grub-installer to assist if that doesn't work |
| 19:32.36 | pozic | paissad-hp: colorizing stuff depends on the terminal. |
| 19:32.58 | denisesball | ranix: the automated install does not ask for a drive path |
| 19:33.05 | pozic | stew: did you understand what I said? |
| 19:33.07 | denisesball | u mean the grub-installer command? |
| 19:33.16 | ranix | denisesball: you can insert a path instead of using (hd0,0) |
| 19:33.19 | paissad-hp | pozic, you man that it depends on clients terminals ? |
| 19:33.22 | paissad-hp | i guess |
| 19:33.24 | ranix | denisesball: tell it you do not want to install to the MBR |
| 19:33.27 | pozic | paissad-hp: yes |
| 19:33.31 | ranix | that should let you enter it manually |
| 19:33.54 | pozic | paissad-hp: so, you can send terminal codes for lots of terminals, but there is no guarantee that it will work. |
| 19:34.02 | denisesball | ranix: are you talking about the grub-installer command? not sure what you're referring to |
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| 19:34.15 | ranix | denisesball: return to the automated installer on console 1 |
| 19:34.18 | denisesball | the autmated install doesnt give an option for a drive path |
| 19:34.26 | ranix | denisesball: and return to the grub install section |
| 19:34.27 | stew | pozic: yes, there is a bug there, this is documented in the bts, and it is also documented that it has been fixed |
| 19:34.34 | ranix | tell it you do not want to install to the MBR |
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| 19:34.46 | ranix | and change (hd0,0) to something above |
| 19:35.01 | denisesball | ranix: there is no option for that, you simply choose install the grub goot loader on a hard disk, and it tries and fails |
| 19:35.21 | pozic | stew: well, it has been fixed if you do a reinstall of the system, but not for already configured systems that have been running for years. |
| 19:35.26 | ranix | denisesball: what version of debian are you installing? I have never seen that sort of behavior before |
| 19:35.40 | ranix | squeeze? |
| 19:35.48 | stew | pozic: what version of hplip-gui and hplip do you have installed? |
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| 19:36.03 | denisesball | ranix: are you thinking of the advanced installer perhaps? its debian 503 netinst |
| 19:36.13 | TJ13820 | does anyone have an idea why my system would drop back to dhcp and reset my network adapter from a staticly assigned ip address? |
| 19:36.16 | stew | pozic: thsi should work fine for someone upgrading from one stable version to the next, which is the thing we're most concerned with |
| 19:36.32 | pozic | stew: 3.9.4b-1 for hplip |
| 19:36.39 | pozic | stew: I don't have the gui package. |
| 19:36.44 | stew | pozic: what happens if you upgrade to the fixed version? |
| 19:36.51 | TJ13820 | i will at some point not be able to access my system because my ip is changed from 10.0.0.5 (static) to 10.0.0.122 (dynamic) |
| 19:37.02 | pozic | stew: that is, if I install hplib-gui, it will most likely work. |
| 19:37.15 | stew | pozic: ok |
| 19:37.16 | pozic | stew: I can try that now, if you want. |
| 19:37.19 | stew | pozic: so what's the problem? |
| 19:37.55 | stew | pozic: and note that by default you'd get hplip-gui installed by default if you were installing hplip |
| 19:38.23 | stew | pozic: well, if you are going to complain that debian hasn't yet fixed this bug, I'd want you to test the version of the package where debian claims to have fixed this bug |
| 19:38.30 | pozic | stew: hplip-gui is not being selected. |
| 19:38.52 | pozic | stew: If I install hplib, I do not get hplib-gui, so that is the real problem if you wish. |
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| 19:39.10 | stew | pozic: and what is wrong with that? |
| 19:39.38 | pozic | stew: the problem is that I have a certain machine configuration containing some binaries, then after an upgrade, I will probably lose some of those. |
| 19:39.43 | pozic | stew: so, it is not an upgrade. |
| 19:40.04 | pozic | stew: it is a different system. |
| 19:40.06 | newsense | some of the time i start mplayer i get an error saying bad use of CPU/FPU/RAM |
| 19:40.20 | stew | pozic: ok |
| 19:40.21 | ilovealcoa | help! using debian live usb, but can't use internet. it says that the ethernet is connected, but the internet won't work, and the network manager has a yellow "!" sign over it's icon. what to do? |
| 19:40.24 | stew | pozic: so upgrade it |
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| 19:40.38 | newsense | if i keep running it after it i can eventuallt get it to run |
| 19:40.48 | stew | pozic: or make sure that nothing is broken if you remove the hplip-gui package |
| 19:40.49 | ranix | ilovealcoa: try running dhclient manually |
| 19:40.53 | pozic | stew: I can do that now, since I understand the problem. The real issue is of course that these things shouldn't be done so careless. |
| 19:41.02 | newsense | running squeeze with mplayer from dmm |
| 19:41.15 | ilovealcoa | ranix: ok, i will try |
| 19:41.23 | stew | pozic: i'm sorry that bugs sometimes do exist. the bug you are asking about has been fixed |
| 19:41.36 | stew | pozic: you seen to wish that the bug was fixed before it was reported, but that's often difficult |
| 19:41.56 | stew | pozic: if you try the versions of these packages in which debian claims this bug is fixed, i'm guessing you'll find it fixed |
| 19:42.02 | pozic | stew: the actual bug is that hplip-gui is not a dependency for people that already had it. |
| 19:42.06 | ctmjr | newsense: you might have better luck in #mplayer channel |
| 19:42.23 | newsense | ctmjr: thanks i'll give that a try |
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| 19:43.03 | stew | pozic: "aptitude safe-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade" should upgrade existing packages |
| 19:43.12 | TJ13820 | can someone please help me figure out why my server is dropping its staticly assigned ip address? |
| 19:43.28 | pozic | stew: that does the "binary foo moved to package bar" analysis? |
| 19:43.35 | ranix | TJ13820: is it assigned in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:43.41 | stew | pozic: the Replaces: header |
| 19:43.42 | TJ13820 | yes |
| 19:43.48 | TJ13820 | ranix: yes would you like a pastebin? |
| 19:44.06 | ranix | TJ13820: is a script running dhclient for you without your consent, perhaps |
| 19:44.12 | ranix | TJ13820: wouldn't hurt, I can take a peek |
| 19:44.20 | denisesball | ranix: i just went through the advanced installer and i still dont see a place to specify the disk grub tries to install |
| 19:44.23 | TJ13820 | ranix: this is a fresh install O_o so that shouldn't be happening |
| 19:44.24 | denisesball | not sure what you're referring to |
| 19:44.39 | pozic | stew: ok, so in this case, is there something in the replaces header of hplip that suggests that it should be installing hplip-gui? |
| 19:44.48 | pozic | stew: I don't have that impression. |
| 19:44.55 | ranix | denisesball: sorry, I have always run into a section asking me where to install grub to that contains an editable line such as (hd0,0) |
| 19:44.58 | stew | pozic: other way around |
| 19:45.02 | ranix | denisesball: going to have to ask someone else |
| 19:45.05 | stew | pozic: files in hplip-gui replace hplip |
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| 19:45.15 | pozic | stew: since otherwise Synaptic would have installed hplib-gui before as pointed out before. |
| 19:45.18 | gustavoo | i need some help, i've use fsck.ext3 in a ext2 partition, and all the system root was turned to "lost+found", is there any way to restore it to the original tree? |
| 19:45.19 | TJ13820 | ranix: http://pastebin.com/d5f658b9 |
| 19:45.32 | pozic | stew: right, so that doesn't fix the problem and other users will have the same issue as I had. |
| 19:45.45 | pozic | stew: that is, they have to go and search on the Internet whatever is causing the issue. |
| 19:45.47 | stew | pozic: upgrading hplip-gui fixes the problem |
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| 19:45.58 | TJ13820 | ranix: i have forty or more other machines setup in this scope with the same file but different IP's and no issue. this is the only one that does this. |
| 19:46.03 | pozic | stew: but hplib-gui was never installed in the first place. |
| 19:46.04 | ranix | TJ13820: the network and broadcast lines are redundant in interfaces |
| 19:46.09 | pozic | stew: so, there is no notion of upgrading. |
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| 19:46.26 | TJ13820 | ranix: so if i remove broadcast it should work fine? |
| 19:46.28 | stew | pozic: and what is broken with the latest version of hplip when you don't have hplip-gui installed? |
| 19:46.39 | ranix | well no that shouldn't cause any problems either way |
| 19:46.43 | ilovealcoa | ranix: here is the output from running dhclient: "Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1 |
| 19:46.44 | ilovealcoa | Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium. |
| 19:46.44 | ilovealcoa | All rights reserved. |
| 19:46.44 | ilovealcoa | For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ |
| 19:46.44 | ilovealcoa | Listening on LPF/eth0/40:61:86:0c:47:8b |
| 19:46.44 | ilovealcoa | Sending on LPF/eth0/40:61:86:0c:47:8b |
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| 19:46.46 | TJ13820 | ranix: that's what i thought... |
| 19:47.00 | pozic | stew: by itself nothing, but users that already had hp-systray for example won't have it after the socalled upgrade. |
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| 19:47.16 | TJ13820 | ranix: it seems as if after 30 or so minutes DHCLIENT just starts (as i see in my /var/log/syslog) and retrieves a DHCP address |
| 19:47.24 | stew | pozic: sounds good |
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| 19:47.49 | pozic | stew: how can that be good? People lose features without asking for it. |
| 19:48.05 | ranix | TJ13820: have you rebooted since changing interfaces? |
| 19:48.16 | TJ13820 | ranix: no *headdesk* |
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| 19:48.30 | ranix | TJ13820: ok, try just doing a killall dhclient |
| 19:48.44 | TJ13820 | one second... |
| 19:49.04 | ranix | TJ13820: then ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
| 19:49.12 | ranix | should be back to normal |
| 19:49.26 | pozic | stew: Ok, consider you have the emacs package which contains emacs-txt and emacs-gui and someone always uses emacs-gui. Now, some maintainer comes along and splits the package and only installs emacs-txt as a replacement, then you have the same problem. |
| 19:49.32 | TJ13820 | I've done "killall dhclient && /etc/init.d/networking restart && ifdown eth0;ifup eth0" |
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| 19:49.50 | TJ13820 | seems to be working, i'll let you know in a half hour or so ;) |
| 19:49.54 | ranix | TJ13820: should be back to your static settings now and it should not dhclient again in 30 minutes ;) |
| 19:50.11 | stew | pozic: what changes would you propose the maintainer makes? |
| 19:50.12 | pozic | stew: I really don't see how it is hard to see that this is a bad idea and that there still is a bug, however unimportant it might be, but this behaviour should simply be eliminated. Debian should not waste the time of people. |
| 19:50.22 | TJ13820 | ranix: thanks so much. i've been up all night trying to get the darn thing up :) |
| 19:50.27 | stew | pozic: how would debian eliminate this problem? |
| 19:50.29 | TJ13820 | i'm running on empty! |
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| 19:50.52 | pozic | stew: it should install all packages which provide binaries that were provides by the previous package. |
| 19:50.53 | ranix | yeah problems like that happen with frequency doubly proportional to the number of hours ago you should have gone to sleep |
| 19:51.00 | pozic | provided* |
| 19:51.15 | pozic | stew: now, you will point out the multiple packages could do that. |
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| 19:51.24 | newsense | TJ13820: running on empty is the name of my mom's favorite song :) |
| 19:51.35 | newsense | some Jackson Browne guy |
| 19:51.40 | TJ13820 | newsense: it is a favorite of mine aswell. I DJ in my spare time :) |
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| 19:51.45 | pozic | stew: then I will point out that a some blessed packages will be selected which in cases like this and the Emacs example will always work. |
| 19:51.54 | simonrvn | i think what pozic is saying is that the maintainers should be mindful of the decisions they make, with regards to feature set in packages, and not just remove things without telling people. |
| 19:52.20 | newsense | TJ13820: i tried djing once, spent a lot of money to turn around and sell it all for less than half of what i paid :( |
| 19:52.31 | simonrvn | pozic: well unless of course upstream *removed* a binary, can't help that. |
| 19:52.37 | ranix | simonrvn: nobody really uses hplip anyway |
| 19:52.45 | pozic | simonrvn: I agree with that. |
| 19:52.50 | chops | pozic: It sounds like what you want is just for hplip to recommend hplip-gui until the next stable release |
| 19:52.50 | mns | I have an ssh server on my home machine. about a couple of hours ago it crashed and came back up. I was VNC'd into the system when it crashed, but now it will not let me VNC to it over SSH, which the method I've been using for ages. vncserver is running on the port it needs to run, ssh -L on the client side is correct. any reason why it keeps saying "channel3: open failed: connect failed: conection refused" ? |
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| 19:53.24 | stew | and then someone else complains that their upgrade makes them start pulling in gnome, which they never needed before |
| 19:53.28 | simonrvn | ranix: i have no need for it to make my ancient deskwriter work with cups. |
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| 19:53.36 | pozic | chops: no, not recommend; it is perfectly possible to give the same experience to people already having the package installed. |
| 19:53.41 | TJ13820 | newsense: i mainly do it for school and family ;) |
| 19:53.53 | ranix | I haven't printed in ages |
| 19:54.02 | simonrvn | stew: yeh well sometimes that's due to auto-recommneds installing stuff, usually. |
| 19:54.05 | chops | pozic: "Recommend" is an extremely specific term within the package management that would have the behavior you describe |
| 19:54.06 | pozic | So, people that don't already have the package installed, will not get it. |
| 19:54.19 | newsense | TJ13820: i had cd turntables when they were still pretty new i think, some gemini i think |
| 19:54.41 | chops | stew, simonrvn: Would having hplip-gui say "Replaces: hplip" with no conflict do the trick? |
| 19:54.43 | pozic | chops: oh, maybe I am thinking of the suggests term. |
| 19:54.58 | stew | chops: that's the current state |
| 19:55.03 | chops | pozic: In any case this is a conversation for the BTS and the maintainer; none of us here are going to do much about it |
| 19:55.19 | chops | stew: Oh, so what's the problem? |
| 19:55.19 | stew | chops: having Recommends: hplip-gui perhaps, but people will also complain about this |
| 19:55.27 | ilovealcoa | i tried running dhclient, but after a couple minutes it says "No DHCPOFFERS received." how to deal with this? |
| 19:55.33 | stew | chops: a binary moved from hplip to hplip-gui |
| 19:55.44 | simonrvn | ranix: same here |
| 19:55.45 | ranix | ilovealcoa: do you have a dhcp server on your network |
| 19:55.48 | stew | chops: so he complains that upgrading hplip, he loses this binary |
| 19:55.49 | Lasher | ilovealcoa: ethernet or wireless? |
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| 19:56.06 | ilovealcoa | Lasher: ethernet |
| 19:56.09 | tiveron | ate descobrir isso |
| 19:56.13 | Lasher | is the cable well plugged? |
| 19:56.25 | chops | stew: Oh. Well, right; things change when you upgrade. It should be in README.Debian or something, but if it's a GUI-related thing then there's not really a way to solve that without causing other problems for someone else (which I suspect is what you've been saying :-) |
| 19:56.27 | ilovealcoa | ranix: i think so. at least in windows it says that it obtains network information via DHCP |
| 19:56.36 | stew | pozic: this binary that moved didn't work with hplip installed unless you had hplip-gui installed before though, right? |
| 19:56.48 | ranix | ilovealcoa: got link lights lit? Are you using the right type of cable? |
| 19:56.56 | pozic | stew: wrong |
| 19:57.06 | stew | pozic: well, not without the python library |
| 19:57.13 | stew | pozic: which hplip-gui depends on |
| 19:57.13 | pozic | stew: I had to install python-qt4-dbus for it to work. |
| 19:57.16 | stew | right |
| 19:57.20 | pozic | stew: right. |
| 19:57.36 | stew | so you had to install that library, or install it indirectly via hplip-gui |
| 19:57.36 | ranix | it's reasonable for hplip-gui to depend on python-qt4 |
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| 19:57.53 | ilovealcoa | Lasher, ranix: yes, the cable is plugged in just fine, and the link lights are lit. it is definitely the right type of cable because it will work with other computers, and even on the same computer but when it's running windows |
| 19:57.57 | stew | this really seems like the correct fix |
| 19:58.24 | ranix | just shoot the maintainer an email stating what you had to do, and suggest that hplip-gui depends on python-qt4-dbus |
| 19:58.30 | Lasher | ilovealcoa: what's the output of ifconfig? |
| 19:58.32 | stew | ranix: it alreaady does |
| 19:59.00 | stew | ranix: it was just that one binary was in hplip instead of hplip-gui, and that has been corrected |
| 19:59.01 | pozic | stew: for anyone who will install the packages on a new system, it will work, but for everyone in the exact same state as I, it won't. I am trying to change the state of mind to get systems that will work in all cases, not in most cases. |
| 19:59.15 | pozic | stew: not one binary. |
| 19:59.18 | ranix | so why would he have to automatically install it? Did he have a hplip-gui that satisfied the dependency but didn't depend on python-qt4? |
| 19:59.19 | pozic | stew: there are lots of them. |
| 19:59.28 | stew | ok |
| 20:00.06 | ilovealcoa | Lasher: how to communicate this? if i copy and paste, i get kicked out of the channel |
| 20:00.10 | pozic | It is a relatively small problem, though. Debian is still quite nice. |
| 20:00.11 | stew | ranix: he had hplip and not hplip-gui so things were broken until he installed the dependencies of hplip-gui which fixed the binaries that should have been in hplip-gui in the first place |
| 20:00.18 | ranix | !tell ilovealcoa -about pastebinit |
| 20:00.31 | tiveron | hi guys. someone here uses apple aluminium keyboard? i can't pair it |
| 20:00.41 | Lasher | ilovealcoa: pastebin.com |
| 20:01.05 | ranix | stew: ah I see. Would not apt-get update;apt-get upgrade have fixed that? |
| 20:02.04 | stew | ranix: it would fix it by removing those broken binaries (since hplip gets upgraded to a version which no longer has them) |
| 20:02.21 | stew | "broken" by the fact that they were previously in the wrong package |
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| 20:02.46 | ranix | after that I would apt-file search for the missing binary, find it, and bam done |
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| 20:02.58 | ranix | not seeing the issue |
| 20:03.00 | ilovealcoa | lasher: ok, it's on pastebin.com |
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| 20:05.49 | MrTorque | how can i send mails from a server with a static ip but no domain name? |
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| 20:07.58 | ranix | MrTorque: sendmail, exim, postfix, etc. But, expect most mailservers to reject you for being on either a residential address block or failing to properly resolve hostname |
| 20:08.17 | ranix | MrTorque: you may want to send through a relay, such as that provided by your ISP |
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| 20:09.01 | simonrvn | it's more for a *dynamic* ip than residential, though some still do that. i sometimes get spam delivery attempts from static ips. |
| 20:09.11 | ranix | sending emails these days is like a rain dance around the spamfilter bonfire |
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| 20:09.42 | simonrvn | eh, bad choice of words *cough* but i get the gist. |
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| 20:10.49 | alsd | hi there |
| 20:11.02 | simonrvn | my current isue with spam is fake EHLO/HELOs with random all-caps letters, from 6 to 9 characters. |
| 20:11.10 | MrTorque | ranix: if i send through a relay, which adress will the recipent see? |
| 20:11.15 | simonrvn | they match on other things though ;) |
| 20:11.30 | ranix | MrTorque: the address resident in the ReplyTo: header |
| 20:11.58 | ranix | simonrvn: I got a lot of those too |
| 20:12.02 | MrTorque | ranix: that would be good. |
| 20:12.27 | ranix | actually now that I'm not working for that company any more I might need to rent a space on the internet for mail hosting |
| 20:12.44 | ranix | having my own private email server was pretty excellent |
| 20:12.48 | simonrvn | ranix: they've died down the last month or so, but mostly because i null route them, so they don't try again. |
| 20:12.56 | helo | slicehost is nice... |
| 20:13.10 | helo | if $25/mo isn't too expensive |
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| 20:13.17 | ranix | that sounds reasonable |
| 20:13.17 | owen1 | if i publish my app as AGPL, does it mean that anyone who uses and maybe modify it must have a link to the source? |
| 20:13.53 | helo | they have a nice ajax console interface to your machines which is kind of cool |
| 20:13.58 | AimHere | Well anyone who puts a modified version on the internet |
| 20:14.09 | ranix | owen1: read the AGPL |
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| 20:14.15 | ranix | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html |
| 20:14.44 | ranix | sections 5 and 6 |
| 20:14.50 | owen1 | ranix: thanks |
| 20:15.00 | simonrvn | agpl is like the gpl but for server code, code having to do with such things as a web site's code, and other things. best to read it like ranix said ;). |
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| 20:15.44 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
| 20:16.30 | AimHere | Section 10 is perhaps the appropriate one |
| 20:16.38 | WhiteCrow1 | i want run text mode but when i perss ctrl alt F1 nothing anybody know what can i do ? |
| 20:16.49 | AimHere | Ignore me, I'm talking nonsense |
| 20:17.28 | simonrvn | WhiteCrow1: what do you mean "nothing"? |
| 20:18.09 | WhiteCrow1 | i say not happening |
| 20:18.44 | alturiak | WhiteCrow1: are you using ubuntu by any chance? |
| 20:18.47 | simonrvn | it's not letting you switch to console? you don't see a prompt, what? |
| 20:19.06 | simonrvn | thinks WhiteCrow1 is, as they blobk vt switching by default |
| 20:19.12 | simonrvn | block |
| 20:19.59 | WhiteCrow1 | alturiak: no i use debian but i have broken and i need go to text mode and i stop gdm |
| 20:20.29 | simonrvn | WhiteCrow1: did you keep trying to switch? |
| 20:20.43 | ranix | WhiteCrow1: it's possible it's easier to help in your native language |
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| 20:21.01 | simonrvn | some devices sometimes have slowness to vt switch... |
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| 20:21.11 | peper | hello |
| 20:21.21 | peper | how can i figure out which debian version is installed on a server? |
| 20:21.28 | peper | any hints in /etc? |
| 20:21.42 | stew | peper: try "lsb_release -a" |
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| 20:22.00 | stew | peper: /etc/debian_version but its not as reliable |
| 20:22.04 | WhiteCrow1 | ranix: in debian-ir have 4 man and they can't help me and if u can't help me plz ... |
| 20:22.12 | simonrvn | !version |
| 20:22.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 20:22.36 | ranix | WhiteCrow1: did you try #debian-ir on oftc? |
| 20:22.58 | WhiteCrow1 | ranix: whats mean oftc ? |
| 20:23.06 | ranix | !oftc |
| 20:23.06 | dpkg | methinks oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
| 20:23.20 | peper | stew: hmm, can it still be debian if there is no such file as /etc/debian_version? |
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| 20:24.03 | peper | it's a www server which i have limited access to |
| 20:24.07 | peper | just phpshell.. |
| 20:24.15 | owen1 | ranix: AimHere i read it but maybe it's the fact that english is not my main language, it's hard to undersand the practicle application of those sections. |
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| 20:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | peper, very unlikely... |
| 20:26.41 | stew | peper: well that file would be present on any debian system unless someone decided for some reason to remove it |
| 20:26.43 | ranix | owen1: if you modify the source you may distribute your modified source. It must carry prominent notices, you must relicense the work as AGPL. |
| 20:27.11 | stew | peper: /var/lib/dpkg/status would tell you the versions of the currently installed debian packages |
| 20:27.52 | owen1 | ranix: so in practise, i must have a link to the code in a noticable place on the site? |
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| 20:29.16 | ranix | owen1: if you distribute the work in object code, you must also convey the source code along side it in a physical product, OR, convey alongside the object code a valid, written offer to provide source to whom you distributed the object code, OR, convey the object code via decentralized peer-to-peer as long as you have attempted to inform the peers where the corresponding source or offer of corresponding source may be accessed |
| 20:30.03 | ranix | owen1: the general rule is that you are always bound to inform people you have altered the work, and that you must comply with requests to provide source. You may go above and beyond those requirements by including source next to the object code if that's feasable for you |
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| 20:33.12 | owen1 | ranix: thanks! so let's say i build a site based on AGPL. i mention it's AGPL and if someone askes me for my code I should send him. this is the minimum, but if want to be good citizen, i can also link to my code. is it correct? |
| 20:33.27 | ranix | owen1: yep |
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| 20:34.13 | ranix | owen1: of course, I am not a lawyer, and I'm certainly not YOUR lawyer |
| 20:34.41 | owen1 | ranix: every lisence should have a section that gives exapmle like this. it's way easier to first read it and than jump to the long description. |
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| 20:37.37 | peper | stew: they might have removed it on purpose so people won't know ;] |
| 20:38.14 | peper | there is a dpkg binary |
| 20:38.18 | peper | any other distro using that? |
| 20:38.23 | peper | (that you know of) |
| 20:38.45 | qwd | I'm thinking about going from testing to unstable. I know it's not recommended but I want to give it a try for fun and report some bugs while I'm at it. I have my home partition separate from the system partition so worst case scenario I just reinstall, no biggie. Is there anything I should think about? Any advice from sid users? Do you just do a safe-upgrade every day or do you see if it'll break anything? If so where do you read about it? |
| 20:41.08 | stew | peper: lots of distro's using dpkg, such as ubuntu, sidux, knoppix, maemo |
| 20:41.16 | stew | peper: does /var/lib/dpkg/status exist? |
| 20:41.22 | ranix | qwd: sounds like you have a handle on it |
| 20:41.29 | stew | peper: or can you run "dpkg -l libc6" |
| 20:41.47 | ranix | qwd: the only problem with sid is when people go into it with their main machine or expect things to never break |
| 20:42.13 | qwd | ranix: I fully expect my system to go down in flames :) |
| 20:42.20 | ranix | qwd: lots of people using sid do an upgrade once a week |
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| 20:42.31 | ranix | on a day they will have some spare time ;) |
| 20:42.49 | qwd | ah, that sounds like a good idea |
| 20:42.55 | Titan8990 | what is the point of putting some xfce4 packages in backports if your not going to backport the depends.... |
| 20:43.07 | simonrvn | none |
| 20:43.26 | Titan8990 | judd, versions xfce4 |
| 20:43.28 | judd | Titan8990: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 4.6.1.2 sid: 4.6.1.3 squeeze: 4.6.1.3 |
| 20:43.32 | peper | stew: /var/lib/dpkg exists but i have no access to it |
| 20:43.33 | Titan8990 | judd, versions xfdesktop4 |
| 20:43.33 | judd | Titan8990: xfdesktop4 -- etch: 4.3.99.1-1 etch-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2-7 sid: 4.6.1-1 squeeze: 4.6.1-1 |
| 20:43.59 | peper | stew: can;t run dpkg either |
| 20:44.02 | stew | peper: /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:44.31 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, must be just to tease me |
| 20:44.39 | peper | stew: bingo |
| 20:44.41 | peper | deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:45.00 | stew | peper: that's very old |
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| 20:45.04 | stew | !release history |
| 20:45.04 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 20:45.11 | stew | Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19) |
| 20:45.39 | peper | silly hosting provider then ;] |
| 20:45.53 | peper | they are trying to be secure i guess |
| 20:45.54 | Titan8990 | yes, I almost accidently ordered a VPS that had woody.... |
| 20:46.07 | stew | peper: that security repository became obsolete in 2006 |
| 20:46.09 | peper | err. stable ;] |
| 20:46.26 | stew | peper: (1 year after Sarge was released, security updates for woody stopped) |
| 20:46.30 | ranix | oldstable is not stable |
| 20:46.41 | ranix | as in, it is unstable |
| 20:46.45 | Titan8990 | woddy is old-oldstable |
| 20:46.50 | peper | it's on 2.6.18.8 kernel |
| 20:47.00 | ranix | 2.6.18 is fairly new |
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| 20:47.01 | stew | woody is old-old-old stable |
| 20:47.09 | peper | that's more like 2007, right? |
| 20:47.10 | stew | and that is quite stable in the debian meaning of the word |
| 20:47.13 | ranix | as in, not ancient |
| 20:47.25 | Titan8990 | yeah, .18 isn't too old, our centos 3 server are running like .8 |
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| 20:47.42 | peper | can i still get packages for woody? |
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| 20:47.50 | ranix | yeah you still can |
| 20:47.56 | ranix | you'll need to use archive.debian.org |
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| 20:48.01 | ranix | it is useful to use woody sometimes |
| 20:48.09 | ranix | I have used it on a 133mhz laptop |
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| 20:48.27 | ranix | you can install it on 14 megs of ram from floppy diskettes |
| 20:48.50 | peper | ta |
| 20:48.53 | steve_j | hi folks |
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| 20:49.32 | steve_j | i'm no sysyadmin, but is there any benign reason why someone from anothe rcountry might have an ssh connection to my box (according to netstat) |
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| 20:50.03 | ranix | steve_j: if you are using scp to copy something to, say, your webserver |
| 20:50.23 | peper | ranix: any idea where i can find rsync pacakges for woody there? |
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| 20:50.41 | Titan8990 | ranix, scp wouldn't cause the IP to change to one of a different country... |
| 20:50.58 | ranix | Titan8990: if the webserver is in a different country it would |
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| 20:51.28 | stew | peper: in debian/pool/r/ |
| 20:51.30 | Titan8990 | ah, yes |
| 20:51.36 | steve_j | ranix nope, no one is |
| 20:51.41 | stew | peper: err, "main" goes in there somewhere |
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| 20:51.48 | steve_j | and it's not an IP er know. or even in our country |
| 20:51.50 | ranix | steve_j: check ps aux to see if that pipe is actually logged in |
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| 20:51.51 | Titan8990 | steve_j, what user did they auth as? |
| 20:51.59 | steve_j | how can i tell Titan8990? |
| 20:52.09 | stew | dpkg: info rsync woody |
| 20:52.14 | Titan8990 | steve_j, grep '<ip address> /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:52.21 | steve_j | thanks |
| 20:52.23 | stew | heh, dpkg doesn't know about woody anymore |
| 20:52.32 | Titan8990 | steve_j, its not uncommon for your ssh server to be hit by botnets all day long |
| 20:52.39 | paradoxmonkey | What is the easiest linux firewall to work with? |
| 20:52.40 | steve_j | yeah |
| 20:52.42 | peper | stew: hmm, and how do i know which version should work on woody? |
| 20:52.47 | stew | peper: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rsync/rsync_2.3.2-1.3_i386.deb |
| 20:52.48 | qwd | Since unstable doesn't get security updates I guess I should just comment out the security repos in sources.list right? deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:52.49 | steve_j | but the fact it says ESTABLISHED worries me |
| 20:52.51 | ranix | they may just be hammering you and not actually have logged in |
| 20:52.52 | stew | peper: judging by the date |
| 20:52.55 | peper | im in here: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rsync/ |
| 20:52.58 | Titan8990 | steve_j, many people install fail2ban and move ssh off the default port 22 to circumvent that |
| 20:52.59 | peper | ah ok |
| 20:53.06 | peper | thanks |
| 20:53.16 | ranix | steve_j: definitely check auth.log and ps to be sure nobody has actually invaded you |
| 20:53.18 | Titan8990 | steve_j, the TCP connection is established prior to authentication |
| 20:53.19 | steve_j | Titan8990 |
| 20:53.23 | steve_j | ahm i see |
| 20:53.27 | qwd | steve_j: My advice is to use ssh key instead of password. Much safer. |
| 20:53.32 | steve_j | the auth log is full of failed attempts for the root password |
| 20:53.43 | stew | peper: the way to know for sure is to check http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.0/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 20:53.47 | Titan8990 | steve_j, thats normal for a box exposed to the internet |
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| 20:53.56 | steve_j | phew |
| 20:54.04 | steve_j | it's an EC2 box, so gets hit all the time, i gather |
| 20:54.12 | Titan8990 | steve_j, that doesn't mean you can ignore it without properly securing ssh however |
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| 20:54.17 | steve_j | but i'm not the sysadmin, just noticed as i was looking over the logs |
| 20:54.19 | nsadmin | steve_j I think they[re saying you should look at the latest entries of the log |
| 20:54.19 | steve_j | indeed |
| 20:54.31 | steve_j | yeah the latest entires all day Failed password for root |
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| 20:54.52 | Titan8990 | steve_j, install fail2ban |
| 20:54.58 | steve_j | i know that the root password is pretty secure and not dictiponary-attack prone |
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| 20:55.10 | steve_j | thanks Titan8990 will look that ip |
| 20:55.12 | steve_j | *up |
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| 20:55.34 | ranix | steve_j: you can use authfail or fail2ban |
| 20:55.34 | peper | haha it works |
| 20:55.53 | stew | peper: yeah, that was actually the wrong version, you wanted 2.5.5 |
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| 20:56.04 | stew | peper: if it works it works, but the newer 2.5.5 would also work |
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| 20:56.17 | nsadmin | well 'established' most likely means an established connection with the ssh daemon by your |
| 20:56.46 | nsadmin | "visitor" and is probably just before he enters the password |
| 20:56.52 | Justin | steve_j: don't run ssh on port 22 |
| 20:56.59 | steve_j | nsadmin yeah - doesn't imply she/he gpot in |
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| 20:57.05 | steve_j | Justin on my box i don't |
| 20:57.09 | steve_j | but i didn't set these ones up |
| 20:57.23 | Justin | steve_j: you can use the amazon console thing to only allow ssh connections from certain ips |
| 20:57.24 | Titan8990 | well, "established" is anytime after the three way handshake and before a timeout, FIN, or RST |
| 20:57.42 | Justin | the default is the box you set the vm up from, someone would have had to allow it from all explicitly |
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| 20:57.53 | ranix | steve_j: you can also edit /etc/sshd.conf and disallow root login |
| 20:57.56 | steve_j | jsutin yeah, indeed. tho - and i don't mean to sound a pain here - that'll then knacker the real syadmin getting in who will be using a friends' connection from holidays |
| 20:58.07 | ranix | steve_j: and login as a different user and sudo or sudo su to get root |
| 20:58.11 | steve_j | sure |
| 20:58.15 | flavien | babilen: are you here? |
| 20:58.16 | ranix | steve_j: this is my preference for my servers |
| 20:58.20 | steve_j | again, that's what i do on my persoonal box too |
| 20:58.52 | nsadmin | probably fail2ban is a good first step |
| 20:59.10 | steve_j | justin can ii block certain ips too? |
| 20:59.14 | steve_j | nsadmin yeah |
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| 21:00.07 | nsadmin | iiuc, fail2ban will use iptables to block people from getting in if they fail to enter the right pw enough times |
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| 21:00.30 | Drakeson | I vaguely remember there was a command that printed out a minimal list of packages that you have to install to get at the current installed list of packages. Do you know what it is? |
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| 21:00.54 | peper | stew: thanks for all the help |
| 21:01.11 | stew | peper: now do I want to ask what evil deed you just did? :) |
| 21:01.15 | stew | Drakeson: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 21:01.25 | peper | silly admins thought they can force me to use ftp for deploys.. ;] |
| 21:01.32 | steve_j | thanks for the pointers folks. much appreaited |
| 21:01.53 | peper | i asked their helpdesk and they told me that i need shell to install rsync |
| 21:01.57 | peper | yeah right ;] |
| 21:02.10 | stew | peper: so you unpacked it by hand? |
| 21:02.20 | Justin | Drakeson: probably aptitude with the weird options it uses to show all priority=standard packackages |
| 21:02.30 | peper | i unpakced it by hand on my box and just copied the binary |
| 21:02.35 | stew | ahh |
| 21:03.06 | peper | i'm accessing the box via php shell :) |
| 21:03.11 | stew | i gathered |
| 21:03.19 | Drakeson | stew, Justin: thanks |
| 21:03.20 | peper | listing / doesn't work, but /etc does |
| 21:03.22 | peper | fail |
| 21:03.23 | peper | :) |
| 21:03.23 | stew | peper: i'd recommend finding new hosting, of course :) |
| 21:03.41 | peper | not my decision to make unfortunately |
| 21:03.53 | Justin | peper: knowing php /etc/.. would work |
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| 21:04.29 | peper | i think they are using some kernel patches |
| 21:04.42 | peper | e.g. /etc/passwd looks readable but fails on access |
| 21:05.00 | Justin | could be selinux, though I don't know anyone that actually knows how that thing works |
| 21:05.09 | peper | :] |
| 21:05.27 | stew | Justin: selinux in woody? |
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| 21:05.35 | subanomic | hi @ al |
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| 21:06.24 | simonrvn | i haven't seen al |
| 21:06.28 | Justin | stew: oh, probably noe then |
| 21:06.32 | pingouin | i got several dns in my /etc/resolv.conf , how can i know wich one is used when i ping, or run iceweasel or another online service ? |
| 21:06.38 | Justin | grsecurity existed back then |
| 21:06.52 | stew | yeah |
| 21:07.05 | simonrvn | pingouin: it's in order from first to last ... |
| 21:07.14 | Drakeson | Do you know what might cause leftover artifacts on the cursor, and some other places? (my vga card is radeon 4670). |
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| 21:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, he's got a tv-show it's called... Married... with Children. |
| 21:07.56 | peper | hmm i wonder |
| 21:07.57 | subanomic | can someone explain to me why there are some symlinks to init scripts that occur in /etc/rc2.d as well as in /etc/rc3.d, rc4.d, rc5.d, like for example for Apache? How shall I interpret this? Is that script executed again in every runlevel? |
| 21:08.07 | pingouin | simonrvn: ok, but is there a way to "see" wicht one is used at a time X when i do for instance a http://www.somewhere.tld ? |
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| 21:08.11 | Justin | every runlevel is not used |
| 21:08.29 | subanomic | Justin: Yes, but runlevels 2 and 3 are used, first 2, then 3 |
| 21:08.29 | peper | do you know of any sshd like server which can be run as non-root? |
| 21:08.32 | PerfDave | !tell subanomic -about runlevel |
| 21:08.51 | simonrvn | pingouin: comment one out, and try again |
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| 21:09.02 | subanomic | PerfDave: That is not new to me |
| 21:09.06 | pingouin | simonrvn: yeah, for sure |
| 21:09.09 | subanomic | But I asked a specific question |
| 21:09.21 | Justin | subanomic: you are very confused |
| 21:09.35 | subanomic | why? |
| 21:09.45 | Justin | for one, runlevels 2 and 3 are not used. |
| 21:09.49 | Justin | 2 is used. 3 is not. |
| 21:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | subanomic, and actually that factoid *exactly* answers your question - quote: " By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical" |
| 21:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | subanomic, runlevels are not incremental... you are in *one* runlevel at a time |
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| 21:11.11 | subanomic | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, but when I boot my PC, I get from 0 to 1, then from 1 to 2 |
| 21:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 21:11.30 | PerfDave | I've just booted Debian Live 5.0.2 on my laptop; it was running Lenny but the HDD died. I'm not getting any audio - the right driver (snd_hda_intel) seems to be loaded, and I've checked that nothing's muted in alsamixer. What else should I be checking? |
| 21:11.33 | simonrvn | pingouin: you might want to wait a bit for the cache to update |
| 21:12.14 | Justin | PerfDave: alsamixer again |
| 21:12.16 | pingouin | simonrvn: it's ok, quite fast |
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| 21:12.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | subanomic, type /sbin/runlevel in a shell |
| 21:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, thank you |
| 21:12.34 | PerfDave | Justin: It's still not muted :) |
| 21:12.35 | pingouin | simonrvn: thanks anyway |
| 21:12.44 | Justin | PerfDave: what does aplay -l say? |
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| 21:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do they just leave in the middle of explaining something to them? |
| 21:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww |
| 21:13.59 | PerfDave | Justin: http://paste.debian.net/55265/ which looks right |
| 21:14.13 | PerfDave | CutMeOwnThroat: They're off to #ubuntu to rant about how crap #debian is, usually. |
| 21:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | PerfDave, aaaah, that explains it |
| 21:14.31 | Justin | PerfDave: it's probably volume :) |
| 21:14.43 | Justin | PerfDave: especially if you are running the same kernel as before |
| 21:15.01 | PerfDave | Justin: All the sliders in alsamixer are topped out... |
| 21:15.12 | cahoot | PerfDave: no better if you run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0? |
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| 21:16.24 | PerfDave | Justin: All the sliders in alsamixer are topped out... I don't know whether Debian Live 5.0.2 has the same kernel as a default Lenny install... |
| 21:16.31 | PerfDave | cahoot: Apparently not :( |
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| 21:19.38 | Justin | PerfDave: are there any toggles in alsamixer? |
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| 21:20.19 | PerfDave | Justin: What sort of toggles do you mean? |
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| 21:20.28 | Justin | settings that are not sliders |
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| 21:21.39 | PerfDave | Justin: Like the mute button? |
| 21:22.48 | Justin | PerfDave: yes |
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| 21:24.13 | PerfDave | Justin: None of the sliders are muted. |
| 21:24.30 | Drakeson | how can I install another release of Debian onto another hard disk that is mounted on the same machine? |
| 21:24.44 | PerfDave | Drakeson: debootstrap |
| 21:24.50 | stew | PerfDave: can we get the full "amixer" output? |
| 21:24.50 | babilen | !tell Drakeson -about debootstrap |
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| 21:25.00 | paradoxmonkey | What does the 'lo' mean in "auto lo eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:25.18 | TJ13820 | paradoxmonkey, loopback |
| 21:25.19 | Darkedge | I'm trying to think if the Unstable, or the Testing, Is for me. |
| 21:25.19 | Justin | paradoxmonkey: it's l0 not lo |
| 21:25.27 | Justin | er, lo :) |
| 21:25.40 | Justin | but yeah, it's a list of interfaces, not an option |
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| 21:26.07 | Darkedge | The unstable is like the MOST cutting-edge packages, Right? |
| 21:26.15 | Justin | !+experimental |
| 21:26.15 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:26.27 | babilen | !tell Darkedge -about releases |
| 21:26.36 | babilen | !tell Darkedge -about testint |
| 21:26.39 | babilen | !tell Darkedge -about testing |
| 21:26.42 | PerfDave | stew: http://paste.debian.net/55267/ |
| 21:26.45 | stew | Darkedge: yes, that is where they are typically first uplaoded possibly without any testing |
| 21:26.46 | paradoxmonkey | Justin: so "auto lo eth0" tells that eth0 is a loopback interface? |
| 21:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, your !tell key is stuck |
| 21:26.53 | stew | PerfDave: brb |
| 21:27.02 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: i know :-D |
| 21:27.03 | PerfDave | Darkedge: You probably want stable, if you're asking that question ;) |
| 21:27.09 | Justin | paradoxmonkey: no, it is a list. auto lo eth0 = "auto lo" "auto eth0" |
| 21:27.24 | babilen | Darkedge: why do you think you need testing or unstable? |
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| 21:27.56 | babilen | Darkedge: another possibility would be to install packages from backports.org |
| 21:28.08 | Affi | babilen: stable is to easy, no problems :-P |
| 21:28.11 | Darkedge | PerfDave, yeah I know I do like stable, one of the best distros. i've had but I find it really annoying how we're STILL stuck on Python 2.5 (I write things in 2.6) |
| 21:28.16 | paradoxmonkey | Justin: a list of in what order to bring up the interfaces? |
| 21:28.25 | Darkedge | and how things are basicly from 100 years ago |
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| 21:28.40 | Justin | paradoxmonkey: got me, does it matter the order? |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | More like 1 year ago than 100, but whatever. If you want particular updated versions, you're best off using backports.org |
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| 21:29.29 | Darkedge | So is it right to say the testing release HAS had some testing? |
| 21:29.39 | babilen | Darkedge: Python 2.6 is not yet in Debian, but the DDs are working on this. You can easily install it yourself to /usr/local/ (just remember to delete /usr/local/bin/python) |
| 21:29.45 | paradoxmonkey | Justin: then what is that line used for? |
| 21:30.02 | Justin | paradoxmonkey: to say which interfaces are automatically enabled |
| 21:30.07 | Darkedge | babilen, It's in the experimental repos |
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| 21:30.21 | stew | PerfDave: you totally lied when you said the sliders were topped out! PCM is at 80%! :P |
| 21:30.34 | stew | PerfDave: but seriously, that all looks pretty straightforward and correct |
| 21:30.40 | PerfDave | Darkedge: Packages in testing have generally gone two weeks without critical bugs filed against them; it's not necessarily a well-tested coherent distro |
| 21:30.56 | paradoxmonkey | Justin: and auto represents all physical interfaces? |
| 21:31.00 | babilen | Darkedge: I would not install that. Install it from source for now and wait until it is in unstable or testing. You will probably be able to install a backport at that time as well. |
| 21:31.06 | stew | PerfDave: does /proc/asound/cards or /proc/asound/devices show more than one? |
| 21:31.28 | babilen | Darkedge: py 2.6 in /usr/local and the --home installation scheme or virtualenv should be all you need for now |
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| 21:31.48 | Darkedge | ok and if generally my card is having problems with the lattest X Intel drivers, I can just downgrade? |
| 21:32.04 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 21:32.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>. |
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| 21:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, you might want to look at "man interfaces" |
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| 21:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, you search with "/" within the manpage |
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| 21:32.57 | babilen | Darkedge: If you want to know more about testing you can read wiki page dpkg told you about |
| 21:33.19 | Darkedge | thanks for the help guys! |
| 21:33.40 | babilen | Darkedge: have a look at backports.org if you want to install some newer packages |
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| 21:33.48 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: I am looking at the man page but it's like looking in a book of unknown language... |
| 21:34.03 | PerfDave | stew: http://paste.debian.net/55268/ - but I think I might be onto something. |
| 21:34.16 | PerfDave | How can I see what's using a kernel module, so I can "modprobe -r" it? |
| 21:34.27 | Darkedge | I'll want newer everything EXCEPT Intel xorg drivers |
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| 21:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, looks like English to *me* |
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| 21:35.27 | PerfDave | stew: Got it! |
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| 21:35.48 | ilovealcoa1 | please help! i am booting debian from the usb, but it doesn't recognize either the cdrom or the hard disk! |
| 21:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, there's also an example in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 21:35.54 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: my point was that it's not easy to understand... |
| 21:35.57 | babilen | Darkedge: read about testing and decide if you want that. If yes, come back. Why don't you want newer intel xorg drivers? |
| 21:36.33 | PerfDave | stew: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/lenovo+3000+n200 - I needed to add an option to modprobe for my Lenovo. |
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| 21:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, "Lines beginning with the word "auto" are used to identify the physical interfaces to be brought up when ifup is run [...] by the system boot scripts." |
| 21:37.53 | Darkedge | babilen, It's causing constant freezes of X and I was reading the Bugzilla and it said to downgrade the drivers.. I haven't been able to try it. |
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| 21:38.42 | chops | Darkedge: The Intel drivers for xorg were more or less crap the last I looked (at any revision)... it's an upstream issue much more than a Debian issue, sad to say |
| 21:39.10 | babilen | Darkedge: ok - I am not sure if that is possible. You might have to wait until this is fixed by upstream |
| 21:39.31 | chops | Darkedge: You can stick with stable and install backported stuff when you need new stuff, or you can get used to filing bug reports in xorg bugzilla and having them ignored :-( |
| 21:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, seems reasonably clear to me - specially since you already know that the "physical interfaces" are things like lo or eth0 or eth1 (which can also be seen in the example above) |
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| 21:40.09 | Darkedge | yeah but im really tired of having gdm from like 7 versions ago :P |
| 21:40.25 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 21:40.25 | dpkg | hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:40.34 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: but why auto if you can write eth0 eth1 eth3 etc |
| 21:40.44 | Titan8990 | Darkedge, if you want a bleeding-edge distro, go use a bleeding-edge distro |
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| 21:41.02 | chops | Darkedge: You should be able to find a more modern gnome in backports. Like I say, it sucks a lot. The only real answer IMHO is to remove the @intel.com developers from the development of the Intel video drivers. Things were much better when the xorg developers were doing them. |
| 21:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, "auto lo eth0" means that lo and eth0 are brought up at boot |
| 21:41.42 | Darkedge | chops, yeah well I do have an old card |
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| 21:42.08 | Darkedge | So a downgrade of x-org-drivers-intel won't work? -_- |
| 21:42.13 | babilen | Darkedge: It will take some time until gdm reaches 2.28 - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/11/thrd2.html#00552 |
| 21:42.14 | chops | Darkedge: People with new cards don't have much more luck |
| 21:42.22 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: so why the auto? |
| 21:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, auto is the keyword that is followed by the interfaces that should be brought up "automatically" (at boot) |
| 21:42.30 | Darkedge | ok I'll go with backports thanks all. |
| 21:42.35 | PerfDave | Darkedge: Why do you care if your gdm is old? Do you spend more than about ten seconds looking at it? |
| 21:42.42 | chops | Darkedge: You can try it... sometimes it'll wind up wanting to downgrade X itself as well. I think the stablest solution is going to be stable+backports for things you know you need |
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| 21:43.09 | Darkedge | k |
| 21:43.17 | Darkedge | PerfDave, I used gdm as an example |
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| 21:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, you wouldn't just say "SALT!!!" either instead of "please reach me the salt" |
| 21:43.35 | Darkedge | as I said I also write things in Python 2.6 and stuff. |
| 21:43.42 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: oh so auto is kind a like auto=something? |
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| 21:43.56 | zamba | i want to upgrade a raid-1.. meaning, i'd like to replace the two 160 GB disks with two new 1 TB disks.. thus increasing the raid volume in the process.. how would i go about doing that? |
| 21:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradoxmonkey, if you like |
| 21:44.26 | chops | Darkedge: python 2.6 will make it into backports eventually |
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| 21:44.38 | PerfDave | zamba: Can you stick all four drives in at the same time, set up the new RAID pair and rsync stuff over? Or do you want to be cleverer than that? |
| 21:44.59 | Darkedge | chops, - wait it's not in backports -_- |
| 21:45.01 | Sergio` | Is Sid supported in this channel? I upgraded to it for the new features and I'm having problems setting the framebuffer resolution, it's using grub 2 and 2.6.32. I tried video=radeonfb:1600x1200-32@60 and it says something like incorrect or wrong mode. |
| 21:45.08 | babilen | Darkedge: Just install py 2.6 locally - install third party libs/applications using the --home scheme or with pip into a virtualenv ... If you want to upgrade newer packages, see if they are available in backports. And: If you really want to upgrade to testing (which is pretty stable IMHO) tell us and we'll help |
| 21:45.21 | zamba | PerfDave: that could be an option, yeah :) |
| 21:45.42 | PerfDave | zamba: I'd probably do it that way then - it's the easiest option. |
| 21:45.44 | zamba | PerfDave: do you recommend software or hardware raid? i have a controller here that supports hardware raid.. |
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| 21:46.10 | PerfDave | zamba: Depends on the hardware raid - a lot of hardware raid is quite crap, but a decent battery-backed hardware RAID controller can be sweet. |
| 21:46.24 | Darkedge | well dpkg said I might be able to downgrade by dpkg -i'ing the downgraded package. Any of you think that might not work? |
| 21:46.36 | pngwn | Sergio, generally when you use sid you're expected to be able to fis it yourself :) |
| 21:46.44 | zamba | PerfDave: no battery-backed here, though |
| 21:46.49 | zamba | so i'll go with the software raid |
| 21:46.50 | Sergio` | So I've heard. :) |
| 21:46.59 | pngwn | s/fis/fix |
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| 21:47.05 | babilen | Darkedge: Work on py2.6 is done right now. There were some issues with the DD and a solution is worked on secretly. We will all have to wait. |
| 21:47.09 | PerfDave | Darkedge: I wouldn't rely on it, lots of stuff may break. Just hand-install a later Python :) |
| 21:47.28 | Darkedge | PerfDave, :) ok |
| 21:47.41 | Hoxzer | is it normal that gnome-mplayer doesn't support sub_delay hotkey. (z and x) |
| 21:47.41 | paradoxmonkey | CutMeOwnThroat: so if the interface isn't listed in auto then it will not be brought up at boot and will not show if I do ifconfig, right? |
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| 21:48.33 | Darkedge | http://weblog.patrice.ch/2009/01/14/install-python-2-6-on-debian-etch.html <--- I think I'm in luck. |
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| 21:48.43 | PerfDave | Darkedge: You're running Etch??? |
| 21:48.52 | babilen | Darkedge: and - again - do not forget to delete /usr/local/bin/python after you installed python yourself |
| 21:49.12 | Darkedge | no, not really |
| 21:49.15 | babilen | Darkedge: Just install it from source. It works perfectly and you will not confuse Debian |
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| 21:49.43 | Darkedge | ok |
| 21:49.49 | PerfDave | Hmm. What's a good DAAP client in Lenny I can use to test the mt-daapd I've got running on my desktop? I'm trying xmms2 but it's a bit arcane. |
| 21:49.58 | Darkedge | wait, I can't find the i686 download |
| 21:50.26 | babilen | Darkedge: You will have to compile it yourself |
| 21:50.47 | Darkedge | babilen, what???? |
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| 21:50.51 | babilen | Darkedge: http://python.org/ftp/python/2.6.4/Python-2.6.4.tar.bz2 |
| 21:51.22 | Darkedge | babilen, oh I thought you meant I had to compile Debian myself. |
| 21:51.41 | Darkedge | I can't find the i686 release... |
| 21:51.49 | babilen | Darkedge: yes - compile it yourself. It's really easy. Some modules (like sqlite or _md5) need additional -dev libraries ... but in general its just the usual ./configure && make && make install dance |
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| 21:52.34 | babilen | Darkedge: you can't find the i686 download of what? |
| 21:52.46 | Darkedge | Debian? |
| 21:53.02 | Darkedge | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 21:53.12 | PerfDave | babilen: There is no i686-specific release of Debian. |
| 21:53.19 | PerfDave | Uhm, Darkedge rather |
| 21:53.27 | PerfDave | Darkedge: What are you installing on? |
| 21:53.28 | babilen | i know - i was talking about python until now |
| 21:54.03 | Darkedge | a Dell Demison 2400 |
| 21:54.18 | babilen | Darkedge: what is the processor in that box? |
| 21:54.19 | PerfDave | Darkedge: What CPU does it have in it? |
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| 21:55.00 | Darkedge | PerfDave, I believe its i686 but If someone can give me steps to check... |
| 21:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | why on earth would he want to compile python himself? |
| 21:55.15 | ilovealcoa1 | somebody, help!!! debian can't see either my cdrom or my hard disk. more specifically, /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, /dev/cdrom don't exist. how can this be rectified? |
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| 21:55.30 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: because he wants py2.6 |
| 21:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 21:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python2.6 |
| 21:55.43 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.4-1 |
| 21:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 21:55.52 | PerfDave | ilovealcoa1: Do you want /dev/sda ? What are you trying to do? |
| 21:56.00 | Darkedge | ilovealcoa, wait, Did this happen when you installed? Or did you do something? |
| 21:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I mislooked... |
| 21:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, it's in experimental |
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| 21:56.59 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: You could install the experimental packages. But right now *I* would prefer to compile it myself and install it to /usr/local until Matthias Klose finds the time to work on the packages for Debian. |
| 21:57.49 | ilovealcoa1 | perfdave: no, /dev/sda is for my usb disk (which is what i am booting off of). i am trying to install debian onto my hard disk, but the cdrom installer won't detect the cdrom, so i tried the usb image instead. now i can boot up just fine, but it still won't detect the cdrom |
| 21:58.15 | PerfDave | ilovealcoa1: Is there something weird about your CDROM? What does dmesg say about it? |
| 21:58.34 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: I know that the self-compiled Python works perfectly on Debian right now. I am not sure about the experimental packages and I therefore provide that advice. Why would it be better to use the experimental packages? |
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| 21:58.47 | Darkedge | Linux Sabayon 2.6.31-sabayon #1 SMP Tue Nov 17 19:04:56 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux <--- uname -a output |
| 21:58.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... you got a package :) |
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| 21:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and whenever something newer than that turns up, it's automatically replaced |
| 21:59.53 | Darkedge | So.. Which arch do I download? |
| 21:59.54 | ilovealcoa1 | perfdave: dmesg says absolutely nothing about a cdrom |
| 21:59.55 | PerfDave | Darkedge: Does "cat /proc/cpuinfo" show you "lm" in the flags: line ? |
| 22:00.09 | Darkedge | checks for PerfDave |
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| 22:00.23 | PerfDave | Darkedge: grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo # may help |
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| 22:00.58 | Darkedge | PerfDave, Doesn't return anything. |
| 22:01.16 | babilen | it's a p4 in his box |
| 22:01.18 | PerfDave | Darkedge: In that case, you've probably got a 32-bit CPU and should install Debian i386 |
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| 22:01.31 | Darkedge | ok |
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| 22:01.35 | Darkedge | thanks PerfDave |
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| 22:01.58 | babilen | Darkedge: do you have network access during the install? |
| 22:02.15 | xs | why is one guy (who also works on ubuntu) able to cripple python support in debian? :( |
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| 22:02.53 | babilen | xs: good question - no answer. The powers that be decided to deal with behind closed doors |
| 22:03.01 | Darkedge | babilen, yup |
| 22:03.09 | ilovealcoa1 | ok, well, what does it mean when dmesg does not mention a cdrom? |
| 22:03.22 | babilen | Darkedge: then you probably want the netinstall ISOs |
| 22:03.35 | xs | babilen: it's really starting to annoy me :( can anything be done at all? is it actually getting sorted? |
| 22:03.37 | Darkedge | k thanks |
| 22:03.45 | PerfDave | babilen: that's a matter of opinion; if I were Darkedge I'd download the first full CD and use that to install from. |
| 22:03.58 | babilen | PerfDave: why? |
| 22:04.14 | babilen | xs: -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:04.35 | PerfDave | babilen: Because it puts your machine out of action for less time. Even on a DSL connection, netinstalling a desktop system takes an irriating few hours. |
| 22:04.52 | xs | babilen: ok. sorry. didn't realise. |
| 22:05.12 | Darkedge | WOAH its like 31CDs |
| 22:05.24 | alturiak | how is a debian packaging question offtopic, if I may ask |
| 22:05.25 | Darkedge | I don't see I have a choice to not use the Netinstall :P |
| 22:05.26 | PerfDave | Darkedge: You don't need all of them ;) |
| 22:05.36 | babilen | Darkedge: that are *all* packages (and a lot of outdated ones) |
| 22:05.41 | Darkedge | PerfDave, Which ones DO I need? |
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| 22:06.09 | jaggz | how do you use find on multiple files? find . -name foo -name bar |
| 22:06.25 | Darkedge | oh |
| 22:06.26 | PerfDave | Darkedge: Read the Installation Guide. Personally, I'd download the first full CD; babilen would use the netinstall CD. |
| 22:06.31 | Darkedge | I only need the first |
| 22:06.57 | paradoxmonkey | what is the difference of bringing up an interface with "auto eth0" vs allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 22:07.19 | jaggz | find presently seems to do an AND on the matches.. like "hello.txt" would be found if find . -name '*.txt' -name 'hello.*' were used |
| 22:07.22 | jaggz | I need OR |
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| 22:07.59 | PerfDave | jaggz: man find |
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| 22:08.22 | zig_ | tightvnc vs. realvnc? |
| 22:09.10 | Darkedge | So wait, Let me clear this up, Backports a repos containing newer packages? (Like RPMFusion) |
| 22:09.42 | babilen | Darkedge: yes |
| 22:09.51 | babilen | !tell Darkedge -about backports |
| 22:09.57 | PerfDave | Darkedge: backports is a repository system which allows you to install packages from unstable which have been compiled against the libraries from stable, preventing you from getting into dependency problems. |
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| 22:10.22 | jaggz | Perf, did already |
| 22:10.25 | PerfDave | Darkedge: Since python 2.6 isn't in backports, it doesn't help you here; install Debian stable, then hand-install Python 2.6 into /usr/local |
| 22:10.52 | jaggz | I guess I'll use a regex .. that should do the trick |
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| 22:11.30 | PerfDave | jaggz: find lets you select stuff by one condition or another. |
| 22:12.01 | Darkedge | PerfDave, ok thanks guys you've helped me ALOT :) so wait wheres the link I add to my APT sources to get the backports repos? |
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| 22:12.11 | Darkedge | wait, |
| 22:12.14 | babilen | !tell Darkedge -about bpo |
| 22:12.16 | Darkedge | Found it. thanks :) |
| 22:12.31 | babilen | Darkedge: but don't you want to install first? ;-) |
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| 22:12.59 | zig_ | I understand that tightvnc is supposed to use SSH now by default? |
| 22:13.02 | jaggz | Perf, couldn't find how to have it say "this file" or "that file". |
| 22:13.24 | jaggz | except with a regex using -regex '\(foo\|bar\)' |
| 22:13.25 | PerfDave | jaggz: Look for OPERATORS |
| 22:13.58 | jaggz | oh.. wow.. all these years |
| 22:14.33 | jaggz | I guess if I read the 1st paragraph... |
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| 22:16.12 | ilovealcoa1 | so have i been screwed over by debian? it can't find the cdrom or the hard drive, which evidently makes installation difficult. is there no fix for such a situation? or do i just have to wait a few years, when hopefully they might have released a more robust product? |
| 22:17.50 | PerfDave | ilovealcoa1: "screwed over" how? How much did you pay for your copy of Debian? ;) |
| 22:18.14 | PerfDave | ilovealcoa1: Seriously though, what's up with your system? How is your CD drive connected to your motherboard? What hardware are you using? |
| 22:18.18 | stew | ilovealcoa1: what version of debian are you installing? |
| 22:18.35 | PerfDave | stew: ilovealcoa1 is using some USB-booting Debian version, I'm not quite sure what. |
| 22:18.36 | acu | ilovealcoal: you might have been screwed by mother nature (bad genes) - in computers 99.8% is the (L) User |
| 22:18.42 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: 5.0.2 lenny |
| 22:18.46 | stew | ilovealcoa1: from usb? |
| 22:18.55 | PerfDave | acu: There's no need for personal attacks :) |
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| 22:19.13 | stew | acu: don't do that |
| 22:19.36 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: yes |
| 22:19.41 | acu | mother nature = life = evolution = mutations |
| 22:19.53 | acu | = screws |
| 22:19.55 | stew | ilovealcoa1: did you follow the instructions in the install guide for preparing the usb ? |
| 22:20.00 | ilovealcoa1 | perfdave: cdrom and hard drive are both connected with sata |
| 22:20.19 | stew | ilovealcoa1: wait, is it looking for a cdrom drive or a cdrom image? |
| 22:20.31 | stew | ilovealcoa1: i'd expect it to be looking for a cdrom image which you have placed onto the usb stick |
| 22:20.36 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: i certainly did, and the usb software itself works fine, other than the hardware issues |
| 22:20.49 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: cdrom drive |
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| 22:21.02 | stew | hmm, i'm not even sure why it would be looking for a cdrom drive |
| 22:21.08 | stew | ilovealcoa1: did it find the cdrom image on the usb? |
| 22:21.41 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: no, i'm using the "live usb", not the netinst usb, so there is no cdrom image (i tried the netinst usb but only get "no operating system" errors) |
| 22:22.07 | stew | ilovealcoa1: oh, you might try asking in #debian-live on irc.debian.org then |
| 22:22.16 | stew | or could help you with the standard installer |
| 22:22.17 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: so, my next scheme was to boot up via the usb, then manually load in a debian cd, and then install from there |
| 22:22.43 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: ok, thanks, will try that |
| 22:22.44 | stew | ilovealcoa1: the install guide has you put an iso on the usb itself, which the installer will look for |
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| 22:22.58 | stew | ilovealcoa1: and you could use either a netinst or a cd1 image |
| 22:23.00 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: no iso file, just an img file |
| 22:23.06 | stew | yes, iso file |
| 22:23.28 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: ok, well, i think you are thinking of something else. i put only an image file on the usb, and here i am |
| 22:23.44 | ilovealcoa1 | stea: i mean, image = img |
| 22:24.02 | stew | ilovealcoa1: if you were following the instructions in the install guide from installing from usb, you'd be putting an iso on the usb, since the usb installer expects one |
| 22:24.14 | stew | ^from^for |
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| 22:24.50 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: yes, you're right. however, i am not trying to install from usb. i am trying to boot the computer via usb, so that i can install from cdrom |
| 22:25.33 | dserban | I have 12 similar external hard drives which get cycled out on a backup rotation, I'd like to automount these drives to /mnt/external. Do I need to use udev rules to identify them by serial number and somehow automount them to that mountpoint or is there a better way. Gnome does it for me on other computers, though this is a server and mounting to /media isn't what I want to do. |
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| 22:28.17 | stew | the live image contains d-i also, doesn't it? |
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| 22:29.13 | ilovealcoa1 | sorry, what do you mean by "d-i"? |
| 22:29.22 | stew | the debian-installer |
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| 22:30.36 | ilovealcoa1 | ah. well, maybe there's a way to install debian from this image, but it's in no way obvious. |
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| 22:30.48 | qt-x | use command dd |
| 22:30.51 | qt-x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.14 | qt-x | for writing img to usb |
| 22:31.17 | xaphan_0_1 | debootstrap |
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| 22:31.33 | stew | there is definately debootstrap, but thats not the easiest way by far |
| 22:31.43 | stew | and the live image claims to have d-i |
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| 22:31.47 | stew | depending on which image you have |
| 22:31.47 | xaphan_0_1 | debootstrap --arch amd64 /media/disk |
| 22:31.53 | qt-x | than if your sys know how to boot usb and is set for that weel boot |
| 22:32.02 | stew | xaphan_0_1: then he's going to need to know the next 10 steps |
| 22:32.07 | xaphan_0_1 | haha |
| 22:32.12 | jerojasro | hi there. how can I install eclipse? (I'm running squeeze here). apt-get install eclipse doesn't work... |
| 22:32.18 | ilovealcoa1 | qt-x: i'm actually trying to install debian onto the harddisk, and am using a usb as an intermediate |
| 22:32.26 | xaphan_0_1 | aptitude search eclipse |
| 22:32.35 | stew | ilovealcoa1: since debian provides an installer for use with usb, why wouldn't you use that? |
| 22:33.03 | qt-x | and usb what is containing ? |
| 22:33.05 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: i tried, but when i attempt to boot up my computer from the usb, it says "no operating system installed" or something to that effect |
| 22:33.22 | ilovealcoa1 | qt-x: a "live usb" version of debian |
| 22:34.18 | qt-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.18 | ilovealcoa1 | qt-x: yep |
| 22:34.18 | stew | ilovealcoa1: did you use the "easy method" or the "more flexible method"? |
| 22:34.18 | jerojasro | xaphan_0_1: the only thing it finds is libcommons-jci-eclipse-java ... |
| 22:34.26 | xaphan_0_1 | hmmm a repo you may need |
| 22:34.39 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: have you tried 4.3.3 ? |
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| 22:35.46 | ilovealcoa1 | stew: can't remember (probably the easy method, i had in mind to do things as straight-forwardly as possible, seeing as i've tried 5 different distros/versions with this computer and all have failed) |
| 22:36.09 | xaphan_0_1 | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Booting_from_USB |
| 22:36.53 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: no, but i bought this computer two days ago, so i figured i should have the most up-to-date software possible. do you think 4.3.3 would be any better? |
| 22:37.24 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: I was referring to "4.3.3. Booting the USB stick" |
| 22:37.30 | qt-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.34 | qt-x | me |
| 22:39.15 | ilovealcoa1 | qt-x: huh? sorry, i haven't used irc in perhaps 10 years, or more. |
| 22:39.33 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: you are referencing some sort of documentation? where? |
| 22:39.38 | stew | its best that you keep the conversation in the channel anyway |
| 22:39.46 | qt-x | sudo dd if=/path/to/downloaded.img of=/dev/devicenode bs=1M |
| 22:39.58 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: I thought you tried the USB install method from the install guide |
| 22:40.04 | babilen | !tell ilovealcoa1 -about usb install |
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| 22:40.11 | stew | qt-x: which image are you telling him to install that way? |
| 22:40.26 | stew | qt-x: the live image or the installer? |
| 22:40.28 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: i used some sort of install guide, but i can't remember where i found it |
| 22:40.34 | stew | !i-g |
| 22:40.34 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 22:40.48 | babilen | !usb install |
| 22:40.49 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:40.50 | qt-x | the live image |
| 22:40.53 | qt-x | .img |
| 22:40.59 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: ah, thanks, this is exactly what i used |
| 22:41.04 | stew | qt-x: and how does he start the installer from the live image? |
| 22:41.20 | stew | qt-x: (he's already got a working live image, so there is no need to dd) |
| 22:41.23 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: yes, and in there is a section 4.3.3 - have you tried that? |
| 22:41.26 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: i meant, 4.3.1 is what i used |
| 22:41.57 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: which gave you the error ... you could try 4.3.1 + 4.3.3 .. |
| 22:41.59 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: nope, in fact, i didn't even notice that section before. i will give that a try. |
| 22:42.39 | stew | I'd really expect "the easy way" to at least boot if he can boot a live image |
| 22:42.51 | babilen | exactly |
| 22:42.57 | qt-x | from what i understand instaler is in the .img. Gues I understud wrong. |
| 22:43.18 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: and you really have to copy the ISO *file* to the stick |
| 22:43.35 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: (after the zcat thing) |
| 22:43.48 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: yeah, just a regular "cp", right? |
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| 22:44.03 | babilen | yep |
| 22:44.24 | macrobat | i'd like to run xbindkeys -f ~/.xbindkeysrc on starting X via xdm. I use xfce4 |
| 22:44.27 | flavien | babilen: ah, you are here! |
| 22:44.33 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: are you going to install x86 or amd64 ? (just curious) |
| 22:44.35 | Zwift | hi, simple one - what to write in my .vimrc so it will color php syntax in *.ctp files ? |
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| 22:44.59 | babilen | flavien: yes i am ... but please: ask the whole channel! |
| 22:45.16 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen: amd64 |
| 22:45.23 | hikenboot | is there any problem with moving /tmp to an encrypted folder and can i do this with truecrypt or should i use another method? |
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| 22:46.15 | flavien | babilen: ah yes ok |
| 22:46.17 | babilen | ilovealcoa1: alright! have fun and good luck! |
| 22:46.31 | ilovealcoa1 | babilen, stew, qt-x: thanks very much for your help. i will make another attempt at the usb/iso thing |
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| 22:46.51 | flavien | i have a problem with hal |
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| 22:47.13 | flavien | he wouldn't be configured |
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| 22:47.50 | ctrl | I got php4 and php5 installed, but php4 seems to be my stanbdard php (php -v), how can I switch it to php5? |
| 22:48.24 | magikman | ls -al `which php` |
| 22:49.38 | macrobat | Zwift: maybe #vim knows |
| 22:50.04 | paissad-hp | hello |
| 22:50.21 | babilen | hi |
| 22:50.22 | Zwift | macrobat: indeed, found them, they new, thx for tip |
| 22:50.30 | ctrl | magikman ah it's just a symlink...thank you |
| 22:50.51 | babilen | flavien: it might help if you let others have a look at the error |
| 22:51.03 | magikman | np |
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| 22:51.22 | paissad-hp | does someone have a little pingouin | tux ascii art image about the same size as icons ... i would like to add it into a banner .. but i just find huge images :s |
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| 22:51.41 | Darkedge | Does && make one command happen AFTER the one before it? |
| 22:51.45 | ctrl | magikman, my php-cgi point to php5, so can I assume that all my php scripts on apache use php5? |
| 22:51.51 | babilen | !tell ctrl -about update-alternatives |
| 22:51.57 | Darkedge | For example: sleep 10 && halt |
| 22:52.15 | magikman | DarkCow, the second command runs only if the first was successful. |
| 22:52.17 | Darkedge | Would that sleep halt & then halt? |
| 22:52.22 | Darkedge | ok thanks |
| 22:52.24 | Darkedge | :) |
| 22:52.55 | flavien | pastebin.com/m31c4a54b |
| 22:53.52 | ctrl | ah cool, thank you babilen |
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| 22:57.37 | davidb_csh | I'm having a strange problem on one of my machines where commands like cat won't return to the prompt if I send it ctrl-c |
| 22:58.11 | davidb_csh | Likewise, when I disconnect from a screen session it doesn't return to a prompt. I'm stuck as to how to go about debugging this.. |
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| 23:01.01 | hxB5 | Hi David, have you maybe been modifying your .bashrc config file? |
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| 23:02.16 | davidb_csh | hxB5: no, on this machine I'm fairly certain it's the default |
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| 23:03.03 | chops | davidb_csh: You can try strace -f -p on the bash prompt from a separate login, then run cat and hit Ctrl-C and see where it gets stuck |
| 23:03.20 | hxB5 | it was a shot in the dark... i remember having had issues while i was messing around with that file |
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| 23:04.35 | davidb_csh | hxB5: thanks. chops: I'll give that a try. |
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| 23:07.06 | macrobat | how can i change user agent for iceweasel? user-agent-switcher has almost nothing to choose from |
| 23:07.54 | babilen | macrobat: about:config |
| 23:08.32 | hxB5 | I have a QQ concerning graphic card config.. on squeeze. I am concerned that my ATI X800GTO card is not used to its full potential with the default config. Should i be editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to add modules there? |
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| 23:09.24 | hxB5 | for example is i do a preview of a simple screensaver, i get 1 image per second... which i do not think is normal... |
| 23:09.49 | davidb_csh | chops: so nothing happens when I send Ctrl-C to cat. It gets printed like a character. Ctrl-D does cause it to return, however. Any ideas? |
| 23:10.28 | macrobat | babilen: i dont want to change user agent permanently, just fool my bank into thinking i have firefox |
| 23:10.40 | babilen | flavien: ask a complete question ... people might help you. And the more minds working on this the faster it'll be solved |
| 23:10.53 | hxB5 | when i look for the drivers loaded, i can only see radeon (with lsmod) |
| 23:11.11 | babilen | macrobat: can't you configure more UA strings in user agent switcher or even download others? |
| 23:11.12 | flavien | ;ok |
| 23:11.15 | newsense | hey why can't i use bash completion to complete package names when using aptitude ? |
| 23:11.32 | newsense | other debian users report this works for them |
| 23:11.45 | flavien | i want to upgrade my debian from stable to testing |
| 23:11.59 | flavien | so, i've modify the source.list |
| 23:12.21 | Darkedge | !testing > flavien |
| 23:12.22 | flavien | but when i do aptitude upgrade |
| 23:12.55 | flavien | hal wouldn't be configured |
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| 23:13.03 | flavien | and i have this error message |
| 23:13.11 | flavien | pastebin.com/m31c4a54b |
| 23:13.34 | macrobat | babilen: the "download" thing in UAS just sends me to the UAS addon page. there is nothing to download there. I don't know how to construct the strings. there are multiple lines |
| 23:13.47 | flavien | it's great? |
| 23:14.09 | flavien | sorry but i'm french ^^ |
| 23:14.10 | babilen | macrobat: http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php |
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| 23:15.44 | macrobat | wow, it looks like a full list of everything :) |
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| 23:16.34 | macrobat | newsense: try it with aptitude install, it doesnt work for aptitude search |
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| 23:17.46 | acu | flavien: the upgrade is done by some commands of "full upgrade" or so - google for it - is better than apt-get update apt-get upgrade - it has some other options which will upgrade more properly |
| 23:18.22 | Agiofws | never touch stuff that just works |
| 23:18.55 | hxB5 | isn't it apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:19.02 | acu | flavien: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 23:19.27 | macrobat | dist-upgrade has changed to full-upgrade now |
| 23:19.47 | acu | flavien: are you with us ? |
| 23:19.47 | macrobat | the old option still works |
| 23:19.52 | hxB5 | ok |
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| 23:20.08 | flavien | yes |
| 23:20.09 | acu | flavien: I do not know (it is funny) what I remember right now in french is chochon |
| 23:20.12 | acu | LOL |
| 23:20.27 | hxB5 | you probably mean cochon |
| 23:20.28 | acu | flavien: look at the link I gave you |
| 23:20.29 | davidb_csh | Thanks everyone for your help, a reboot fixed it :p |
| 23:20.40 | flavien | i try with full-upgrade |
| 23:20.50 | macrobat | flavien: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 23:21.21 | acu | flavien: do you have an 64 bit progessor |
| 23:21.42 | flavien | no |
| 23:21.45 | damasceno | Anyone have the "Marvell Technology Group Ltd" Ethernet controller? |
| 23:21.53 | flavien | it's for an old computer |
| 23:22.03 | damasceno | I install my Debian, and my internet don't work. |
| 23:22.04 | damasceno | :/ |
| 23:22.10 | hxB5 | i do have a marvell |
| 23:22.22 | damasceno | hxB5, what you do, to this work? |
| 23:22.31 | acu | OK, it should work neverthless as long as repositories are right - good luck (Bonne chance ! - is that correct) |
| 23:22.42 | acu | hxBS: are you swiss ? |
| 23:23.02 | hxB5 | it worked out of the box with the installation of squeeze (and lenny before) |
| 23:23.07 | hxB5 | i am belgian |
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| 23:23.35 | acu | belgian is good too - as long as you are alive and think :) |
| 23:23.53 | hxB5 | Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 23:23.56 | damasceno | hxB5, well, i install Debian Lenny, but don't work. |
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| 23:24.06 | babilen | hxB5: lspci -nn please |
| 23:24.06 | damasceno | I install Ubuntu 9.10 and don't work too. |
| 23:24.14 | damasceno | I don't know what do anymore. |
| 23:24.47 | redguy | how can I find debug symbols for libvirtd ? there is no libvirt-bin-dbg package |
| 23:25.15 | hxB5 | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4362] (rev 19) |
| 23:25.31 | babilen | judd: pciid 11ab:4362 |
| 23:25.33 | judd | babilen: [11ab:4362] is '88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4362 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 23:25.39 | damasceno | Mine: Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 4380 |
| 23:25.59 | damasceno | hxB5, i don't know what to do. ;/ |
| 23:26.18 | acu | damasceno: squeeze (the testing) debian has much newer kernel - and You might be lucky to have some drivers built in - also there is an option to have proprietary drivers on a stick and call them during installation - I would give a try for debian-installer through the network installation - for squeeze - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:26.23 | hxB5 | babilen: what information is relevant in the lspci -nn which is not in lspci? (just not that familiar with this) |
| 23:26.47 | babilen | hxB5: the pciid (which i just used to ask judd about the hardware) |
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| 23:27.30 | hxB5 | i remember that it did not work properly because of the gnome network manager |
| 23:27.37 | babilen | hxB5: not much information on the wiki. Is the 'sky2' module loaded? |
| 23:27.39 | hxB5 | can you ping from a console? |
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| 23:28.11 | hxB5 | babilen: yes it is |
| 23:28.30 | babilen | Hei, I am afk for a while. Good luck hxB5 and flavien ... |
| 23:28.36 | babilen | !tell flavien -about fr |
| 23:29.02 | flavien | thanks! |
| 23:29.22 | hxB5 | flavien: have you tried to ping? |
| 23:29.38 | babilen | hxB5: you might need some firmware. Unload and reload the module and check the output of 'dmesg | tail -n 20' it might give you some clues |
| 23:29.52 | babilen | good luck .. |
| 23:30.49 | flavien | yes, i can access to google |
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| 23:30.57 | flavien | browse the web |
| 23:30.59 | flavien | ... |
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| 23:32.13 | hxB5 | got messed up with the conversation here |
| 23:32.26 | babilen | flavien: and you shoud try the update on a console .. stop X and try it from there .. I am sure somebody here can help you with your HAL upgrade problem |
| 23:32.33 | hxB5 | sorry flavien, the ping thing was not meant for you |
| 23:33.05 | flavien | the problem is Xorg |
| 23:33.20 | flavien | it was installed but not configured |
| 23:33.27 | flavien | because he need hal |
| 23:33.37 | flavien | and he's not configured to |
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| 23:35.00 | iceroot | what is the repo called for fast updates (virus-scanner and so on) |
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| 23:35.29 | nsadmin | the category is called volatile |
| 23:35.48 | iceroot | nsadmin: thx |
| 23:35.54 | nsadmin | not sure how you use it; I never have yet |
| 23:36.02 | hxB5 | iceroot: I think if you use squeeze, you do not need it |
| 23:36.03 | nsadmin | does dpkg know? |
| 23:36.11 | nsadmin | !volatile |
| 23:36.11 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 23:36.30 | babilen | no volatile for testing |
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| 23:37.03 | iceroot | hxB5: no its lenny |
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| 23:39.54 | sinizzl | hello |
| 23:39.57 | sinizzl | how can i define an acl in squid.conf that allows all the ip ranges specified in /stuff/support-iran.txt to connect to my proxy? |
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| 23:40.15 | parolang` | Hi...what's ia64? |
| 23:40.42 | SparFux | For quite a long time I have this error on "full-upgrade" in aptitude in debian sid: http://pastebin.com/m3bbe337 Sometimes I have such errors, I can cope with them by doing aptitude install some of the affected packages ot update them, but here it does not seem to work. What's going on? |
| 23:40.57 | SparFux | parolang: the 64bit architecture made by intel. |
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| 23:41.15 | parolang` | Okay...I don't think that's me. |
| 23:41.17 | amphi | parolang`: itanium |
| 23:41.35 | parolang` | Then definitely not. |
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| 23:41.40 | acrobat | how do i add more inodes to a partition? |
| 23:42.00 | amphi | parolang`: amd64 perhaps |
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| 23:42.25 | computersuck | ouin g un pb ec le firewall iptables pcq c site c calissement mal dis. genre le gars explique super mal mais jimagine ke snormal stute d tappete de fif quion tute cuit dans lbec? |
| 23:42.53 | amphi | !fr |
| 23:42.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:45.22 | SparFux | parolang`: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:58.00 | sinizzl | hello, i have a question about squid. i want to create an open http proxy that is available for everyone with one of the ip addresses specified in /squid/range.txt . so i guess i'm supposed to create an acl called 'acl allow_these_hosts src "/squid/range.txt"' , is that correct? |
| 23:58.52 | parolang` | Okay, another question...testing or unstable? Which should I use for my main computer? |
| 23:59.36 | ctmjr | parolang`: stable |
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