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| 00:00.10 | KnuckOne | dlynes: centos uses even older software than Debian atm |
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| 00:00.57 | dlynes | KnuckOne: really? they always used to use all the pre-release crap |
| 00:01.06 | dlynes | KnuckOne: or at least debian and redhat did |
| 00:01.32 | dlynes | KnuckOne: Slackware's usually further behind than debian, though |
| 00:02.16 | KnuckOne | yep, really |
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| 00:03.02 | KnuckOne | atm centos 5.4 is somewhere between etch and lenny |
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| 00:04.03 | dlynes | KnuckOne: well, mind you lenny came out way quicker than I thought it would |
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| 00:04.29 | dlynes | KnuckOne: i wasn't expecting it for 2 to 3 years later than it came out |
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| 00:05.07 | dlynes | I'm quite happy not running the latest and the greatest, if it means my servers are more stable |
| 00:05.26 | KnuckOne | even on desktop if hardware is not an issue |
| 00:05.42 | dlynes | true |
| 00:06.03 | dlynes | Mozilla products are generally the only products that bring my system to a grinding halt |
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| 00:06.30 | dlynes | but at the same time, I can't get by without them...they've got all the features I need |
| 00:06.48 | dlynes | It's still a lot better than Netscape 4 was on Linux, though |
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| 00:07.00 | dlynes | Or was it Netscape 3? |
| 00:07.03 | dlynes | i can't remember |
| 00:07.33 | KnuckOne | it was 4 afaik |
| 00:07.34 | gauge | I wonder if it's a proplem due to runnign v4 of NFS. would I specify what ver to use in my /etc/exports file? |
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| 00:12.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | The nvidia-glx driver in the repos doesnt seem to support my 9800GTX+ card does anyone know if I should just try the one from the nvidia site or what I can use? |
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| 00:14.54 | DogBoy | you could ask dpkg about it |
| 00:15.02 | DogBoy | !nvidia |
| 00:15.03 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 00:17.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so basically my 9800GTX+ isnt supported in 3D? |
| 00:17.54 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: so basically you should read what dpkg said |
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| 00:19.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Well it says to use the free drivers which from what i understand is only 2D. And that debian doesnt support the use of nvidia.com drivers. So like I said are there any other ways? |
| 00:19.17 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: it doesnt |
| 00:19.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Doesnt what? |
| 00:19.40 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: i dont even see free mentioned |
| 00:20.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Are you blind? And your telling me to read it. hehe |
| 00:20.03 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: where do you see "free" ? |
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| 00:20.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: 1. Free Drivers. |
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| 00:20.58 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: so go down one line |
| 00:21.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Look you obviously jusy dont know either. Ill find it on my own/ |
| 00:21.28 | mjmt | LinuxGuy2009: (I have the same card.) Install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source; m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel; reboot, install nvidia-glx, and you're good to go. |
| 00:21.51 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: true, i dont need to read docs to install nvidia drivers properly |
| 00:22.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Oh yeah nolw you know all of a sudden. Thanks anyways, |
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| 00:23.30 | ctmjr | LinuxGuy2009: i run the drivers from nvidia's web site on lenny because i need the overscan for tvout but it takes alot of maintenance and kernel upgrades break it |
| 00:24.01 | valdyn | he already was on the wiki, he should read a little |
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| 00:24.52 | mjmt | LinuxGuy2009: You must be doing something wrong. I run Compiz and even Bioshock here without a problem. |
| 00:25.46 | valdyn | mjmt: you are really talking about the drivers from lenny? |
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| 00:26.00 | mjmt | Nooo, sorry I came in late, I'm talking about unstable. |
| 00:26.02 | AimHere | mjmt, You're not running the free nvidia drivers with bioshock |
| 00:26.16 | valdyn | this isnt about free drivers |
| 00:26.34 | valdyn | mjmt: but thats in the wiki too i believe |
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| 00:26.51 | valdyn | ( instructions on how to use sid nvidia packages ) |
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| 00:29.39 | xNinja | i have a running processes of root 26564 0.0 0.2 3860 1192 pts/3 T 00:41 0:00 sh RemoteCommand.sh so how to use killall to kill all these processes |
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| 00:30.24 | mjmt | xNinja: The first number on the left is the process id, kill (not killall) that. |
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| 00:31.43 | vojnet | I installed latest Debian on my desktop, on the USB drive. Everything worked perfectly well, but in the end, after the system booted, finished booting...and I got a black screen. No errors, nothin. I waited, nothing happened. Later, I tried to boot with everything "debian" from the boot loader, no success (read errors). When I tried to boot the default debian again, I got to the black screen again. It is hard to find out what is wrong wh |
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| 00:32.59 | vojnet | so, not a smooth first experience with debian.. |
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| 00:33.36 | vojnet | on the same drive, I previously installed OpenSolaris, no issues at all |
| 00:33.50 | vojnet | I installed Debian over that, removed OpenSOlaris |
| 00:34.01 | vojnet | but it is probably a MBR issue... |
| 00:34.07 | vojnet | or some display thing |
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| 00:36.17 | itsosimpo | hey pls plost a screenshot of your desktop |
| 00:37.37 | bzed | vojnet: does pressing ctrl+alt+f1 drop you to the console? |
| 00:37.45 | vojnet | no |
| 00:37.48 | vojnet | it does nothing |
| 00:37.58 | vojnet | oops |
| 00:38.12 | vojnet | I thought yuo said ctrl alt del |
| 00:38.19 | vojnet | hehe |
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| 00:38.26 | bzed | vojnet: no :P |
| 00:38.35 | vojnet | I haven't tried to get to the console |
| 00:38.55 | vojnet | I don't have time today to play with it...I may try again some other day, when I have more time |
| 00:39.13 | bzed | vojnet: if crtl+alt+f1 doesn't bring you there, try booting in the single user mode and disable gdm (or whatever the login manager is you've installed) |
| 00:39.17 | vojnet | I installed my old linux over it, I had to, since MBR took over and I could not boot to my main drive at all |
| 00:39.35 | vojnet | I tried single user mode, it gave me a "read error" |
| 00:39.37 | bzed | vojnet: then you should end up on the console and should be able to figure out whats wrong with corg |
| 00:39.41 | bzed | oh |
| 00:39.47 | bzed | that sounds more like a drive issue then |
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| 00:40.18 | vojnet | well, I installed my previous linux, "gnewsense" over it, and I am now typing here using it. |
| 00:40.22 | xNinja | mjmt i know kill but i said for multiple processes in the same command how to kill them all |
| 00:40.22 | vojnet | so, no drive issue |
| 00:40.32 | bzed | xNinja: man pkill |
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| 00:41.00 | bzed | vojnet: probably only some sectors are affected |
| 00:41.00 | vojnet | I want to work with some "serious" linux, that I can depend on, that is why I tried Debian. |
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| 00:41.06 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 00:41.17 | bzed | vojnet: I'd check the drive, read errors sounds weird... |
| 00:41.24 | vojnet | Everyone recommends it |
| 00:41.28 | man_in_shack | anyone know if it's possible to play/transcode intel indeo v5 videos with debian? |
| 00:41.32 | vojnet | thanks, bzed |
| 00:41.33 | bzed | vojnet: especially when it starts to boot fine in the non-single-user mode |
| 00:41.52 | vojnet | I will, but I really don't have time today..next weekend :) |
| 00:41.56 | bzed | vojnet: the only difference between the two modes is the word 'single' as boot option |
| 00:42.09 | bzed | vojnet: I ahve to go now anyway :) |
| 00:42.12 | bzed | n8n8 |
| 00:42.26 | vojnet | I probably need to clean up my boot record |
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| 00:42.50 | bzed | vojnet: just download a boot disk from your drive vendor and check it |
| 00:42.59 | bzed | vojnet: if its an usb drive, it might also be an usb issue |
| 00:42.59 | vojnet | thanks, bzed |
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| 00:43.19 | vojnet | it is a usb drive with it's on ac adapter |
| 00:43.37 | DarkStar | hmm |
| 00:43.38 | vojnet | seagate, 160Gb |
| 00:43.41 | bzed | is really in bed now |
| 00:43.43 | bzed | n8 :) |
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| 00:44.38 | vojnet | thanks, bzed, good night |
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| 00:48.46 | aaron__ | can someone help me with this error http://pastebin.ca/1713820 |
| 00:48.47 | aaron__ | please |
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| 00:56.20 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 01:28.16 | Ikar | пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ Ð²Ñем) |
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| 01:30.13 | Ikar | hi |
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| 01:32.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | If i remember right isnt the option to remove the desktop icons like trash and home and computer found in gconfeditor? Anyone know off hand the location? |
| 01:34.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Simple search found it. NM |
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| 01:54.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Man its been a while since I have been on pure Debian. Loving the speed and stabilty its like rock flippin solid! Also really getting mature as far as a desktop OS goes. Very nice i love it. |
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| 01:57.45 | vulc4n | anyone know of a good guide for someone configuring a web server? |
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| 01:58.36 | Dassu | >:( |
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| 01:59.19 | macrobat | "desktop OS"? |
| 01:59.55 | Dassu | uses debian as a desktop |
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| 02:02.14 | macrobat | its a different os if i use it on my laptop? if i ssh to my laptop it's a server os? :D |
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| 02:03.53 | mon8 | i was running the nvidia kernel, now my new kernel tries to and fails to load an nvidia module... |
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| 02:04.44 | gauge | Is atime something I should keep enabled? I'm tryign to speed up a Debian Latop of mine. A number of guides out on the interwebs claim stuff like a %40 speed increase of I/O with it disabled. |
| 02:05.22 | macrobat | use noatime |
| 02:05.39 | Saviq | guys, I have used 'libata.dma=3' to disable DMA on my boot drive (a CF card that doesn't do DMA), and that worked on both gentoo and ubuntu but debian complains about this boot option not being recognized, is there something I can do to disable DMA from the kernel boot options? |
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| 02:06.18 | macrobat | some app (idk, mutt maybe) can get confused when the acccess times is not what it expects |
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| 02:07.24 | macrobat | mon8: a special kernel? |
| 02:07.32 | mon8 | stock |
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| 02:07.54 | endersending | anyone installed nvidia drivers in debian? |
| 02:08.12 | Tramp | gauge: what you probably want is not noatime but relatime (which is default since 2.6.30 anyways) |
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| 02:08.59 | acidfreeze | does anyone have a list of good deb sources to go in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:09.21 | gauge | Tramp: Thanks man. Should I expect to see a speed impovment? and Will it matter if I'm on ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 02:09.22 | Tramp | gauge: but I doubt you will get anything near a 40% increase in IO with either. |
| 02:09.24 | mon8 | oh, srry it happens when i try to run X duh... |
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| 02:09.51 | macrobat | gauge: disk io will be faster |
| 02:09.58 | Tramp | gauge: unless you do a massive reading of many small files - no. And no to 3/4 as well |
| 02:10.10 | macrobat | a bit, ext4 is supposed to be faster too |
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| 02:11.01 | Tramp | gauge: however - do benchmarks and publish your results :) |
| 02:11.37 | macrobat | maybe there are some benchmarks at the phoronix website |
| 02:11.50 | macrobat | mon8: what version of debian? |
| 02:12.00 | gauge | Wicked pissah. I love it when I can drop a question like that, and imediatly a bunch of hands shoot up -with knowlageable and concise answers. :) Mad props guys. |
| 02:12.05 | mon8 | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 02:12.21 | gauge | Tramp: benchmark w/ bonnie++ maybe? |
| 02:13.14 | mon8 | the nvidia installer messed with xorg.conf methinks |
| 02:13.24 | Tramp | gauge: that would be one I know. However, I don't benchmark much .... |
| 02:13.29 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.54 | mon8 | oh srry its the 2.6.24 |
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| 02:14.10 | macrobat | i dont know why ppl stubbornly use the nvidia installer |
| 02:14.11 | mon8 | im running the nvidea kernel now doh... |
| 02:14.19 | macrobat | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 02:14.25 | gauge | Aye. I do't either. I'm just looking into it now. Ugh, I have a few system that are fro mthe same era, but w/ fastly different specs and I need to figure out which'll be better to be my server. |
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| 02:15.04 | mon8 | easier faster was the nvideia way |
| 02:15.09 | panfist | hi, is there a smart way to synchornize the package configuration between two workstations or servers? |
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| 02:15.24 | mon8 | thankks macrobat |
| 02:15.34 | macrobat | :D |
| 02:15.41 | gauge | I have to (eventualy) benchmark a desktop Pentium 4 2.8ghz, a 1au Sparc Sunfire 700mhz, and a 2au dual pentium 3 900mhz. |
| 02:17.23 | jmarsden | !tell panfist about debian clone |
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| 02:19.41 | macrobat | panfist: you could also set up a local repo, im not sure how to do that |
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| 02:23.44 | acidfreeze | could someone help i just installed a new kernel and now i am getting this |
| 02:23.46 | acidfreeze | E: The package linux-image-2.6.32-rc8 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 02:24.14 | acidfreeze | i tried apt-get remove |
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| 02:25.19 | acidfreeze | how do i get rid of it |
| 02:26.32 | jmarsden | acidfreeze: Does apt-get -f install # on its own do anything helpful ? |
| 02:26.52 | acidfreeze | says same thing |
| 02:27.18 | aaron__ | broken packages? |
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| 02:27.28 | acidfreeze | what does that thing do anyways just update grub? |
| 02:27.36 | acidfreeze | yea i stopped it while running |
| 02:27.38 | aaron__ | yeah |
| 02:27.52 | acidfreeze | i should just install it |
| 02:27.54 | jmarsden | acidfreeze: dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.32-rc8 # maybe ? |
| 02:27.57 | acidfreeze | screw it |
| 02:28.02 | acidfreeze | yea i could do that |
| 02:28.35 | aaron__ | how it's to update grub update-grub-from-legally or something like that |
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| 02:29.28 | acidfreeze | ok i backed up old grub no biggy |
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| 02:30.06 | acidfreeze | ok working now |
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| 02:34.38 | acidfreeze | what does this mean pdated infos about 85 packages |
| 02:34.39 | acidfreeze | Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 361. |
| 02:34.54 | acidfreeze | i did m-a a-i -i -t -f -k /usr/src/linux-2.6.32 nvidia-kernel |
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| 02:35.14 | drksoft | hi |
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| 02:42.46 | acidfreeze | kernel link |
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| 02:45.44 | acidfreeze | well kernel symlink is fixed |
| 02:45.47 | acidfreeze | still doing it |
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| 02:46.29 | acidfreeze | acid |
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| 02:51.37 | drksoft | can anyone help me, im getting: target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init when trying to boot my debian install |
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| 02:52.18 | Marc1306 | Hello all |
| 02:52.42 | Marc1306 | i have a question for please , im low user :) |
| 02:53.01 | Marc1306 | i have juste type : chsh |
| 02:53.19 | Marc1306 | instead of writ /bin/bash , i have juste write : bash |
| 02:53.25 | Marc1306 | now in can log into root |
| 02:53.32 | Marc1306 | i cant |
| 02:54.06 | Marc1306 | by ssh , it the same ; i can log with simple user , not with root |
| 02:54.19 | Marc1306 | debian say : i cant find bash |
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| 02:57.28 | drksoft | anyone? |
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| 02:58.24 | dkr | Marc1306: you have to change it back |
| 02:58.34 | Marc1306 | yes but how? |
| 02:58.59 | dkr | Marc1306: su -s /bin/bash |
| 02:59.03 | drksoft | can anyone help me, im getting: target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init when trying to boot my debian install |
| 02:59.21 | Marc1306 | when i type su : he ask for passw |
| 02:59.35 | Marc1306 | and after he refuse to log |
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| 02:59.55 | dkr | Marc1306: what is the exact error message? |
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| 03:00.14 | Marc1306 | i have lunch a reinstall because of this lol |
| 03:00.48 | dkr | Marc1306: you could also boot into single user mode and edit /etc/passwd. similar to the method when you forget root password |
| 03:00.48 | Marc1306 | i just think that it"s amazing that a big OS like debian refuse to log |
| 03:01.09 | mzb | hi all, I've got an issue on my multi-seat system. I'm trying to get a camera (libgphoto2) to mount for the *other* user (not me) ... any suggestions/ideas? |
| 03:01.12 | dondelelcaro | Marc1306: or su -s /bin/dash or su -s /bin/ksh or whatever else you've got installed |
| 03:01.17 | dkr | Marc1306: it is a security mechanism to only allow specific shells to be run. you broke that, :) |
| 03:01.18 | Marc1306 | if debian cant find de shell .. et juste refuse , it's not cool |
| 03:01.29 | Marc1306 | aa |
| 03:01.31 | dondelelcaro | Marc1306: you can also boot with init=/bin/bash or similar, and fix su. |
| 03:01.38 | macrobat | "it"s amazing that a big OS like debian refuse to log"? what? :D |
| 03:01.57 | Marc1306 | hes but if i just can log with ssh on a dedicaced server |
| 03:02.20 | dkr | macrobat: just typical ego of someone that screwed things up for themselves and wants to shift blame, :) |
| 03:02.21 | Marc1306 | with no privilege it's hard to configure a root parameter |
| 03:02.30 | macrobat | ah :) |
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| 03:02.42 | Marc1306 | sorry my english is not very good :) |
| 03:03.07 | macrobat | Marc1306: single user mode or a livecd would help |
| 03:03.07 | Marc1306 | french user are speeping lol |
| 03:03.26 | Marc1306 | macrobat its on a dedicaced server only with ssh |
| 03:03.36 | dondelelcaro | Marc1306: well, if you don't have a serial console, and you can't su, then you've managed to screw things up (or your hosting service has.) |
| 03:03.45 | Marc1306 | but i can boot on a kernel with single yes |
| 03:04.42 | macrobat | drksoft: do you know what partitions you have and what's on them? |
| 03:05.04 | dondelelcaro | Marc1306: then do that, and use a serial console if you've got one |
| 03:05.23 | Marc1306 | dondelelcaro non , i have lunch a reinstall |
| 03:05.36 | Marc1306 | i thought i have no choice |
| 03:05.46 | macrobat | you have already reinstalled? |
| 03:05.53 | Marc1306 | it's in progress |
| 03:06.02 | Marc1306 | just 10 min ago |
| 03:06.14 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; not my problem, then |
| 03:07.03 | Marc1306 | it's hard for starting to learn , if just one error break logins ^^ |
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| 03:08.30 | macrobat | the more you break it, the more you learn |
| 03:08.58 | dvs | learn not to do it again? lol |
| 03:09.10 | Marc1306 | it's that on all unix et linux system? |
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| 03:10.10 | Marc1306 | chsh |
| 03:10.17 | Marc1306 | you type just :bash |
| 03:10.23 | Marc1306 | instead of /bin/bash |
| 03:10.29 | Marc1306 | and.. root fails |
| 03:10.48 | macrobat | if the user doesnt have a shell, he cant do much :) |
| 03:11.34 | Marc1306 | so my lesson is : doing nothing with root ^^ |
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| 03:12.41 | macrobat | you get the shell before your PATH environment is set, so you need to specify a full path to the bash program |
| 03:12.55 | ali3n | does the lenny version have bitchx? |
| 03:13.33 | Marc1306 | macrobat yes but , when the mistake have been done " ou la la " |
| 03:13.58 | macrobat | maybe bitchx is renamed |
| 03:14.35 | macrobat | i think its a more pc name now |
| 03:14.49 | dvs | dogx? |
| 03:15.15 | dvs | vechx? |
| 03:15.50 | drksoft | can anyone help me, im getting: target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init when trying to boot my debian install |
| 03:16.45 | deadcat | for mutt, i want it to do if hostname is machine1, then enable options for my gmail login. |
| 03:16.58 | deadcat | is it possible to have a if statment in the .muttrc? |
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| 03:20.07 | Marc1306 | i'hv just tryed the same thinks on freebsd |
| 03:20.17 | Marc1306 | in the same context |
| 03:20.28 | Marc1306 | he modifie alone in /bin/bash |
| 03:20.34 | Marc1306 | modify |
| 03:22.29 | drksoft | can anyone help me, im getting: target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init when trying to boot my debian install |
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| 03:23.02 | macrobat | drksoft: do you know what partitions you have and what's on them? |
| 03:23.44 | drksoft | yes |
| 03:24.01 | macrobat | do you know whats in your /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 03:24.27 | drksoft | yes |
| 03:24.49 | drksoft | it was working perfectly |
| 03:25.01 | drksoft | i read that its a problem with udev ;/ |
| 03:25.22 | macrobat | udev is beyond me |
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| 03:26.38 | macrobat | is there a /sbin/init on the target filesystem? :) |
| 03:26.52 | Jouva | I'm having a bit of a hard time knowing what base packages I should have for compiling under Debian, since I didn't include any on my server originally. Which ones should I go for? |
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| 03:27.18 | dvs | Jouva: builld-essential |
| 03:27.32 | dvs | one "l" |
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| 03:27.57 | KnuckOne | ali3n: bitchx development is stalled since years, it has been removed from a lot of a major distros recently, especially for security problems. You can't still compile it from source ;) |
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| 03:28.10 | Jouva | huh musta gotten the majority of it then cause it only wanted to install bzip and dpkg-dev |
| 03:28.17 | macrobat | Jouva: then do apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 03:28.52 | Jouva | Oh I don't need to apt-get, I'm using it for the custom firmware builder for dd-wrt |
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| 03:30.02 | macrobat | ah, ok |
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| 03:34.57 | Saviq | guys, what do I need to do to get the 'scripts/basic/Makefile' file in the linux headers? I can't get a module to compile because makefile fails |
| 03:35.19 | Marc1306 | for info : on freebsd with a fake shell , it"s the same :p |
| 03:35.41 | dvs | Saviq: you already have the headers? |
| 03:35.57 | Saviq | dvs: yes |
| 03:37.04 | Saviq | dvs: but make {,old,menu}config fails: http://paste2.org/p/560973 |
| 03:37.56 | dvs | Saviq: you need the source files, not just the headers |
| 03:38.27 | Saviq | dvs: got them, too, do I need to prepare them somehow? |
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| 03:40.10 | dvs | Saviq: not that I know of. |
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| 03:40.27 | Saviq | well I do have the sources, too, and unpacked |
| 03:40.35 | Saviq | that's both linux-source and linux-tree |
| 03:40.56 | dvs | linux-tree? never heard of that package. |
| 03:41.15 | Saviq | neither have I, but tried to look everywhere |
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| 05:01.01 | tenzin | !grub |
| 05:01.01 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors> and <grub2>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 05:01.31 | oOarthurOo | Greetings... just edited my grub2 to apply a background image and 1024x768 spacing, because I foolishly though that would make my terminal look prettier. Apparently not, especially as I don't use a boot menu. |
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| 05:01.52 | oOarthurOo | What package controls how the terminal looks? |
| 05:02.29 | oOarthurOo | And is it possible to set a background image that is viewable from start to finish of the boot sequence? |
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| 05:03.35 | veebull | in other distros I think 'bootsplash' would be what you wanted. Not sure in Debian |
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| 05:04.40 | tenzin | hi, I am using debian squeeze. I did the grub update and now I cannot boot. How can i solve the problem? |
| 05:05.21 | oOarthurOo | checks what channel he's in, just to be sure |
| 05:05.33 | oOarthurOo | looks askance at veebull |
| 05:05.58 | veebull | said I wasn't sure ;) |
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| 05:07.18 | f00bar80 | trying to connect to any of my IMs using pidgin , i got "our protocol is not supported by the server", any comment ???? |
| 05:07.43 | KiloBravoEight | the pidgin in lenny does not work with yahoo |
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| 05:08.22 | KiloBravoEight | works with aim, and google chat ... anything other then that i do not know |
| 05:08.27 | f00bar80 | KiloBravoEight, also couldn't install ymessenger |
| 05:08.47 | KiloBravoEight | i have not tried that |
| 05:09.01 | Morpheuss | KiloBravoEight, append cn before scs.blah in advanced options |
| 05:10.32 | KiloBravoEight | cnscs. ? |
| 05:11.21 | f00bar80 | what about skype...? |
| 05:11.26 | Morpheuss | cn.scs |
| 05:11.52 | KiloBravoEight | thank you Morpheuss, it now works |
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| 05:12.13 | Morpheuss | welcome |
| 05:12.42 | KiloBravoEight | i've never given to research why it didn't work, didn't mean that much to me |
| 05:13.04 | KiloBravoEight | but now, there are people that need harassing that i haven't harassed for a while |
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| 05:15.02 | f00bar80 | KiloBravoEight, what's the package name for aim ? |
| 05:16.13 | KiloBravoEight | i use the aim in pidgin |
| 05:16.52 | f00bar80 | for msn, i got "our protocol is not supported by the server", any comment ???? |
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| 05:17.19 | KiloBravoEight | same protocol as yahoo, so the yahoo trick may work |
| 05:18.19 | f00bar80 | KiloBravoEight, which is ?? |
| 05:20.35 | KiloBravoEight | Morpheuss brought to my attention that if you prefix the line that starts with the 'scs.' in the advanced options with a ' cn.', yahoo works |
| 05:21.27 | KiloBravoEight | e.g.: 'scs.msg.yahoo.com' turns into 'cn.scs.msg.yahoo.com' |
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| 05:22.11 | f00bar80 | let me try |
| 05:23.27 | f00bar80 | KiloBravoEight, nothing in msn options that starts with scs |
| 05:24.20 | KiloBravoEight | ok, i don't use msn, never have, don't wish to. I do not know how to make that work for you. |
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| 05:27.22 | macrobat | oOarthurOo: there are pkgs "splashy" and "splashy-themes" |
| 05:28.05 | macrobat | tenzind: grub or grub2? |
| 05:28.24 | tenzind | macrobat: grub2 |
| 05:28.54 | macrobat | you could try #grub or see their wiki |
| 05:29.22 | macrobat | i think there was better dokumentation on some ubuntu page... |
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| 05:31.00 | macrobat | i dont know if its any good, i dont use grub2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 05:33.53 | macrobat | anyway, you could describe your problem in more detail to get better help |
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| 05:40.38 | oOarthurOo | I'm trying to see if console-setup does the trick, but I can't find the man page or any documentation on it. Any tips? |
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| 05:49.03 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 05:49.17 | oh-hey | hey bbelt16ag |
| 05:49.17 | bbelt16ag | is there a way i can send a message to a apple computer? |
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| 05:49.38 | DogBoy | email |
| 05:49.39 | bbelt16ag | to communicate to the user? |
| 05:49.45 | bbelt16ag | or mus ti have software nstalled |
| 05:49.48 | bbelt16ag | installed |
| 05:49.57 | DogBoy | use a postit |
| 05:50.02 | bbelt16ag | they are on my network shouldn ti be able to send crafted packets to them? |
| 05:50.03 | DogBoy | post-it |
| 05:50.23 | bbelt16ag | i am sshed into one of my boxes an di want to say hi and let them know i am here |
| 05:52.29 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.33 | bbelt16ag | then whats the point |
| 05:52.36 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
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| 06:10.31 | Yahusha | ----> :-| http://72.204.206.53/ :-) <---- |
| 06:11.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does gparted in 5.0.3 not have fat32 support? Im trying to format my 30GB ipod and it doesnt have fat32 to choose from. |
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| 06:11.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | dosfstools NM |
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| 06:19.34 | macrobat | judd: versions console-setup |
| 06:19.34 | judd | macrobat: console-setup -- etch: 1.13 lenny: 1.28 sid: 1.28 squeeze: 1.45 sid: 1.50 squeeze: 1.50 |
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| 06:19.46 | macrobat | judd: versions kbd |
| 06:19.47 | judd | macrobat: kbd -- etch: 1.12-17 lenny: 1.14.1-4 squeeze: 1.15-4 sid: 1.15.1-2 |
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| 06:21.25 | macrobat | bbelt16ag: maybe you can use sshfsmount and place files here and there |
| 06:21.45 | oOarthurOo | I have an intel duo core t2050... I'm trying to find out what model to choose when recompiling the kernel... where can I find this info? |
| 06:22.20 | macrobat | model? |
| 06:23.22 | macrobat | what config options are there? |
| 06:23.42 | macrobat | smp support is an option, right? |
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| 06:33.43 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 06:34.46 | oh-hey | hanibana! |
| 06:34.48 | oh-hey | nice! |
| 06:34.58 | hanibana | this is the top two line of my "last reboot" command: http://pastebin.com/m60432be6 ; can one describe it for me? |
| 06:35.10 | hanibana | specially, that 10:00 on both lines. |
| 06:36.35 | hanibana | the first two time in each line is a range; isn't it? |
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| 06:49.37 | beerkid | im new to linux & trying to drag files into a web server directory. I get a "You do not have permission" error. I tried chmod 755 /var/www/apache2-default but I still get the same error. |
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| 06:55.16 | ootput | beerkid: doesn't that require webdav? |
| 06:56.12 | beerkid | hmm, i'd have to look up webdav. |
| 06:56.22 | beerkid | is it a synaptic package? |
| 06:56.33 | ootput | http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-webdav-with-apache2-on-debian-etch |
| 06:57.19 | ootput | it's not simply a matter of installing a package.. you'd need to setup authentication (LDAP) |
| 06:57.57 | beerkid | understood. i will try this out. thank you. |
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| 07:14.18 | beerkid | do i need to set up ldap authentication before doing this process, ootput? |
| 07:15.04 | oOarthurOo | man... how do I hide /join parts and all the other info from showing in xchat? |
| 07:15.49 | beerkid | Could not open config file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: No Such File or Directory failed! |
| 07:16.03 | beerkid | after setting up virtual host |
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| 07:40.18 | olspookishmagus | hello... any tips on the MSN issues on debian stable? |
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| 07:45.38 | sri_ | my usb modem is connected as /dev/sr1... how to connect as /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 07:46.05 | sri_ | # my usb modem is connected as /dev/sr1... how to connect as /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 08:20.03 | gauge | I read once that you could made a partition on your videoram, and run programs from there. Can anyone back me up on this? |
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| 08:24.03 | dragonheart | is /etc/network/if-up.d the right (or close enough) place to put scripts to create routes not associated with interfaces? |
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| 08:27.59 | itsosimpo | why is my memory and swap history at 44%? |
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| 08:33.45 | dragonheart | itsosimpo: use top to see what is using your memory |
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| 08:34.14 | flaps | do any of you know a usenet binary uploader for linux? id rather not use something under WINE |
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| 08:42.08 | itsosimpo | wtf is this: 5462 carlyn 20 0 4964 2208 600 S 24.6 0.2 191:45.61 wineserver |
| 08:42.12 | itsosimpo | !! |
| 08:42.13 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 08:45.15 | imimimiim | hi, if i have no disks connected to a PC except for a compact flash card, will the card automatically be /dev/sda or could it be sdb, sdc etc? |
| 08:45.15 | doubleclick | lol @ dpkg |
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| 08:50.32 | BleSS | is possible to create SSL certficates with hashing algorithms more secure than MD5/SHA-1 as SHA-2 or whrilpool? |
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| 08:51.48 | dragonheart | BleSS: moving beyond SHA-1 would require investigation to ensure compatible with whatever client looks at them |
| 08:52.26 | dragonheart | and if your not the CA for it you can't decide on the hashing algorithm |
| 08:52.55 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:52.59 | BleSS | dragonheart: thanks! |
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| 08:54.14 | yucatan1 | i have a debian machine as gateway now my question is i wanne block traffic like torrent and wimewire kazaa and other pear2pear traffic how can i do that if i block the torrent ports it still works |
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| 08:56.36 | dragonheart | yucatan1: l7-filter-userspace though i've never used it. depending on your bw it could be a largish performance hit |
| 08:56.53 | nuscire | hey, guys. can i use ipv6 in with aptitude? |
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| 08:58.51 | yucatan1 | what u mean with depending on my bw |
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| 09:00.02 | yucatan1 | i have found 2 manuals this : http://www.cahilig.net/tutorials/2008/12/30/updating-iptables-support-layer7-and-installing-ipp2p and this: http://www.cahilig.net/tutorials/2008/12/30/updating-debian-etch-kernel-support-layer7 is this about the same? can u ise this? |
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| 09:01.12 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 09:01.45 | yucatan1 | dragonheart? |
| 09:02.43 | dragonheart | yucatan1: l7-filter previously was a kernel patch. you can use that if you want. you'll gain performance and risk a kernel fault. |
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| 09:03.09 | Vratha | hi |
| 09:03.35 | dragonheart | yucatan1: the userspace version should avoid most of those instructions up until where its a iptables rule |
| 09:03.47 | yucatan1 | hmm okee |
| 09:03.55 | yucatan1 | so what i have is it implementing in the kernel |
| 09:04.13 | yucatan1 | userspace is running is in the kernel |
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| 09:04.39 | dragonheart | userspace is the opposite to running in the kernel |
| 09:05.05 | itsosimpo | how do i find out what's goin on in my swap history |
| 09:05.13 | itsosimpo | it's at 50%! |
| 09:05.44 | yucatan1 | hmm thx |
| 09:05.56 | dragonheart | itsosimpo: learn to read the top format and you'll know whats the cause |
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| 09:06.23 | dragonheart | use < about twice to sort by memory usage |
| 09:07.05 | s581en33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.28 | dragonheart | off |
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| 09:19.34 | yucatan1 | if i wanne limit traffic for eatch pc max 150 kbps how should i do that |
| 09:19.46 | yucatan1 | do i need tc for that or what do u advise |
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| 09:20.04 | ranix | !u |
| 09:20.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:23.08 | lumis | I've got a vfat file system that keeps switching to read-only seemingly at random. umask in fstab is 0000. Anyone know why this might be happening? |
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| 09:26.32 | acidfreeze | yo |
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| 09:27.56 | babilen | !tell yucatan1 -about lartc |
| 09:28.00 | babilen | !tell yucatan1 -about wondershaper |
| 09:28.05 | babilen | !tell yucatan1 -about iptables |
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| 09:30.32 | lumis | How can I connect one computer (say a laptop) to another machine (a tower with no peripherals) with a crossover ethernet cable and issue commands from the laptop to the tower, e.g. through SSH? |
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| 09:30.51 | lmaowaffle | with great difficulty |
| 09:30.53 | Zharf | ... |
| 09:30.58 | Zharf | just do what you just said? |
| 09:30.59 | petemc | lmaowaffle: |
| 09:31.15 | petemc | lmaowaffle: connect them, configure ip addresses, done |
| 09:31.36 | lmaowaffle | he was referring to himself |
| 09:31.37 | petemc | also, you dont need crossover if one of the ethernet cards is gigabit |
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| 09:31.50 | lmaowaffle | :) |
| 09:32.12 | petemc | oh, yeah, s/lmaowaffle/lumis/ |
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| 09:33.18 | lumis | petemc: I tried using udhcpd on the tower to assign the laptop an IP when I connected to it, but I couldn't get the server to configure itself an IP (HUGE ignorance in this area ;)) |
| 09:33.33 | petemc | dont use dhcp, configure static addresses |
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| 09:37.59 | yucatan1 | thx babilen |
| 09:38.11 | babilen | yucatan1: have fun |
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| 09:41.38 | yucatan1 | thx |
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| 09:43.38 | ronr | hi, I'm moving my gpg secret key with script to new machines (secure channel), then I import it using gpg --import but it's not marked trusted after that, how can I make the key trusted (from script, not using the interactive --edit-key) |
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| 09:44.46 | Shtl_ | !pidgin |
| 09:44.46 | dpkg | Pidgin (formerly <GAIM>) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny and Etch, ask me about <bpo> or <bpo etch>. MSN support broken in Lenny (BTS #559982), use a backport. FAQ: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ . http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. XMPP Multi-User Chat: devel@conference.pidgin.im. See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin bpo>, <finch>. |
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| 09:46.42 | Shtl_ | How to upgrade pidgin in lenny?? |
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| 09:47.38 | markybob | Shtl_, use lenny-backports |
| 09:47.56 | markybob | Shtl_, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/pidgin |
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| 09:48.07 | MrTorque | hi. which debian do i need for 64bit on xenon? is it also amd64? |
| 09:48.17 | MrTorque | or ia64? |
| 09:48.46 | markybob | MrTorque, amd64 |
| 09:49.16 | MrTorque | thanks. |
| 09:51.49 | MrTorque | why is the dir empty? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ also the other folders are empty.. (iso-dvd, list-cd...) |
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| 09:52.15 | joltcan_ | MrTorque: These images are produced every week, normally on a Monday, but this may vary. They include: |
| 09:52.28 | joltcan_ | MrTorque: That was from the parent dir readme |
| 09:53.14 | markybob | MrTorque, what do you want to install? lenny or squeeze? |
| 09:53.32 | MrTorque | joltcan_: yeah, and why are they empty? there should be an iso in it, shouldn't there? |
| 09:53.56 | MrTorque | squeeze since i need an up to date samba |
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| 09:54.05 | joltcan | MrTorque: Since it is a weekly build, and that monday just started in some parts of the world!? |
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| 09:54.10 | markybob | MrTorque, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 09:55.13 | MrTorque | joltcan: ah, so they delete the builds and the folders remain empty until the new build is there :) |
| 09:55.39 | MrTorque | joltcan: thought, the old builds remain there and are overwritten just in the time the new ones arrive |
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| 09:56.10 | markybob | MrTorque, use the link i gave you. "This build finished at Sun Dec 13 15:47:41 UTC 2009." |
| 09:56.20 | markybob | cant get more recent than that |
| 09:56.31 | MrTorque | markybob: thanks |
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| 09:58.56 | sanderj_ | Anyone know if vmsplice is enabled by default in ubuntu kernels? |
| 09:59.15 | markybob | sanderj_ we dont care |
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| 10:00.14 | Pierreb | hey is it possible to give a user access to apt-get update -s -qq and only that command? |
| 10:00.15 | pngwn | !tell sanderj_ -about ubuntu |
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| 10:00.43 | joltcan | Pierreb: Probably with sudo |
| 10:01.08 | sanderj_ | markybob, sorry.. I have the same problem for both ubuntu and debian.. I meant to write debian |
| 10:01.09 | Pierreb | i tried edit it but dont think it worked out as i wanted to :-/ |
| 10:01.41 | Pierreb | it was suggested that i would make a script that ran in usr/local/sbin/ |
| 10:01.48 | Pierreb | and add it in sudoers |
| 10:01.56 | Pierreb | but it does not really work i get access denied |
| 10:02.32 | markybob | sanderj_ http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ |
| 10:03.01 | Pierreb | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 10:03.04 | Pierreb | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 10:03.07 | Pierreb | 0 |
| 10:03.12 | ethanol | http://pastie.org/742306 can someone explain this to me? I'm totally confused |
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| 10:14.51 | joltcan | ethanol: I fail to see the problem |
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| 10:15.35 | ethanol | joltcan: I cannot connect to 1.21 from 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12, from those 3 I always end up on 1.12 when i try to connect to 1.21 |
| 10:16.50 | joltcan | ethanol: well, do you have the correct hostname set? |
| 10:16.58 | ethanol | I'm using the ip |
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| 10:17.24 | joltcan | ethanol: Yes, but how do I know the you are on file1? |
| 10:17.37 | joltcan | ethanol: can you do "ip a" on .21 |
| 10:17.41 | ethanol | ifconfig shows me so |
| 10:18.08 | ethanol | ip a 192.... command unknown |
| 10:18.36 | joltcan | ethanol: ip is in iproute, I prefer it to ifconfig. Sorry, got to go |
| 10:18.43 | ethanol | ok thanks |
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| 10:21.39 | Gambaroni | If I run rsync -pltv then only files copies.. Doesn't I need --delete to delete files from destination if it's deleted from source? |
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| 10:26.27 | project2501a | hey guys. the debian installer is stuck: i am doing a netinstall and apparently a package is waiting for a yes/no confirmation. |
| 10:26.42 | project2501a | any way i can answer that question manually, or force the installer? |
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| 10:27.10 | jelly | Gambaroni: correct |
| 10:28.05 | Gambaroni | jelly ok :) |
| 10:28.11 | project2501a | any chance i can jump into a console and send a signal to the process? |
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| 10:29.40 | Gambaroni | jelly if I make a dir, copy files there, rsync, delete the directory and then next time, does it copy all the files agian? |
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| 10:30.59 | MrTorque | one more question: how do i prepare my usb-pen to boot debian installer from it? i find many how-tos for preparing usb-pen from linux but not for win. |
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| 10:36.57 | milligan_ | Any postfix users here? Is there any way I can resend e-mail that has already been delivered? |
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| 10:37.47 | dragonheart | MrTorque: unetbootin |
| 10:38.05 | petemc | milligan_: you can use formail from procmail to reprocess a mailbox, or select mails from a mailbox |
| 10:38.34 | milligan_ | petemc, it's from several accounts .. it's pretty much a whole domain that has been delivered to the wrong place, and I want to resend everything. |
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| 10:42.33 | jelly | milligan_: if you can figure the correct envelope recipient from something in the message(s) or in the logs, sure |
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| 10:42.51 | adam-_- | what does it mean if "The following packages cannot be authenticated!" and is it as bad as it sounds? |
| 10:43.27 | milligan_ | adam-_-, you haven't imported the pgp keys .. and it's no biggie .. just import them and retry the install :) |
| 10:43.44 | jelly | milligan_: if the correct recipients are local as well, you can just copy the messages to their correct place |
| 10:44.02 | adam-_- | okay thanks |
| 10:44.53 | milligan_ | jelly, the server that has accepted and delivered the e-mails was meant to relay them to the next hop (I've set up a spamfilter). I had a minor misconfigure though, so they were delivered locally, and now I need to reinject them. |
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| 10:45.49 | MrTorque | dragonheart: did it with an img and iso.. will see if it works. otherwise, unetbootin looks easy :) |
| 10:46.37 | jelly | milligan_: you will have to find out the original envelope recipients, before you resend. Hint: the headers in the message body often have nothing to do with the envelope recipients. |
| 10:46.41 | dragonheart | MrTorque: just like its ment to be :-) |
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| 10:50.44 | jelly | milligan_: so, you're likely to have to do some log parsing and scripting |
| 10:51.29 | project2501a | hey guys. the debian installer is stuck: i am doing a netinstall and apparently a package is waiting for a yes/no confirmation. what can i do to answer that yes/no question that shows up in the installer error console? |
| 10:51.35 | project2501a | i've killed most processes |
| 10:52.29 | themill | dpkg: tell project2501a about 5% error |
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| 10:52.34 | themill | (at a rough guess...) |
| 10:52.41 | khaije|selen | hi all |
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| 10:53.59 | project2501a | themill: looks about right. this is lenny and the installler DOES have this problem. this is a netinstall. it went smooth yesterday. it didn't today. can i find out if the tzdata package was changed in the last 24 hours? |
| 10:54.01 | project2501a | oh wait |
| 10:54.04 | project2501a | different mirrors! |
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| 10:54.07 | project2501a | that's the diff |
| 10:54.12 | project2501a | will try with virgin media |
| 10:54.13 | khaije|selen | anyone know of full featured console-based development environments, stuff like autocomplete and the like |
| 10:54.29 | project2501a | khaije|selen: emacs |
| 10:55.24 | themill | project2501a: (that factoid is a little out of date, am fixing now). If the mirror is in the middle of a sync or got a bad sync then you can also see that problem. |
| 10:55.32 | khaije|selen | i know vi and emacs are both popular, is emacs way better than vi? also does emacs have autocomplete? |
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| 10:56.30 | milligan_ | jelly, I found a pretty neat way I think :) I'll use formail: cat {ID}.serverName | formail -ds sendmail destination@domain.tld . I'll manage to set the destination using some regex and stuff, considering all emails are stored in a users directory, equal to his mail. |
| 10:56.32 | project2501a | themill: ta, mate |
| 10:56.44 | project2501a | khaije|selen: emacs is a rite of passage. go learn it |
| 10:56.48 | project2501a | pick up the oreilly book |
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| 10:59.08 | khaije|selen | project2501a, i started with vi but id be willing to defect |
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| 11:01.16 | adam-_- | i was under the impression that if I updated mysql client packages I would then have a "mysql_config" present. this doesn't seem to be the case or I can't find it. any ideas? i need it to update a perl module.. |
| 11:02.47 | themill | adam-_-: apt-file is your friend; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 11:03.31 | adam-_- | okay |
| 11:03.32 | adam-_- | thanks |
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| 11:21.21 | khaije|selen | project2501a, any other suggestions for console-based ide's besides emacs? something to compare against? |
| 11:21.44 | project2501a | what are you looking for? |
| 11:22.17 | project2501a | i mean, compared to what? emacs and vi are pretty standard in unix land. |
| 11:22.38 | olspookishmagus | how can vi come close to an IDE? |
| 11:23.15 | olspookishmagus | I'm pretty sure tha emacs can come close to one, but how could vi do that... |
| 11:23.24 | petemc | olspookishmagus: what is it that it cant do? |
| 11:23.31 | petemc | takes the bait |
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| 11:24.00 | olspookishmagus | petemc: it's not what vi can't do it's what obscurities can emacs DO |
| 11:24.09 | petemc | thats not what i asked |
| 11:24.23 | petemc | you said vi(m) cant come close to being an ide, im asking why you think that |
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| 11:25.40 | olspookishmagus | what makes an IDE what it is? |
| 11:25.42 | khaije|selen | project2501a, something with nice management features so that i do need to keep everything in my mind. features like autocomplete and integrated debugger |
| 11:25.51 | khaije|selen | id be using it via ssh |
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| 11:26.19 | project2501a | autocomplete? wtf is autocomplete? |
| 11:26.22 | project2501a | in an editor |
| 11:26.31 | project2501a | autocomplete your variable names? |
| 11:26.35 | olspookishmagus | you type a part of a variable and... |
| 11:26.40 | project2501a | go back to Visual Studio |
| 11:26.48 | khaije|selen | i realize that sort of thing may not exist, which is half the reason i ask, ya that sort of thing |
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| 11:27.15 | project2501a | that's not the right kind of lazy, mate |
| 11:27.18 | khaije|selen | lol its a pretty normal ide featue project2501a |
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| 11:27.46 | project2501a | khaije|selen: uh, r. i like to type my own variables |
| 11:28.36 | project2501a | khaije|selen: sorry mate, i'm not being fair to you |
| 11:28.41 | project2501a | i got this "programmer' over here |
| 11:28.45 | olspookishmagus | khaije|selen: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AutoComplete |
| 11:28.56 | project2501a | who wants to run windows on a 20k machine |
| 11:28.57 | project2501a | re malaka |
| 11:29.00 | project2501a | kai edw? |
| 11:29.01 | project2501a | oust |
| 11:29.30 | project2501a | who wants to run windows on a 20k machine and then install "a linux layer on top" |
| 11:29.36 | khaije|selen | olspookishmagus, cool |
| 11:29.52 | project2501a | he wants the web server next to him |
| 11:29.57 | rgr | project2501a: if you dont know what completion is in a codign environment why comment? Its more than completing variables. Its also things like API aware completion and class AIP/member completion complete with context help. |
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| 11:30.11 | rgr | a/AIP/API |
| 11:30.16 | olspookishmagus | khaije|selen: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Auto_complete_variable_names_or_words |
| 11:30.28 | project2501a | rgr: i know what it is, i'm just amazed anybody dealing with Unix would use it. |
| 11:30.41 | khaije|selen | lol idk but redhat just gpl'd spice, they should go that route if they need windows on a monster machine |
| 11:30.50 | rgr | Why on earth would you think that? Emacs has multiple completion mechanisms. |
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| 11:31.09 | project2501a | cuz afaic, i type the whole variable name |
| 11:31.25 | khaije|selen | ya its helpful for learning classes as well |
| 11:31.34 | rgr | Err, variable completion is the simplest lowest level of it. |
| 11:33.05 | project2501a | heh. alright. i'l concede to that, but let me just dump this here: http://www.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html |
| 11:33.14 | project2501a | 10+ year old article and it's still true |
| 11:35.02 | project2501a | dpkg: tell project2501a about 5% error |
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| 11:39.02 | jelly | !tell project2501a -about selftell |
| 11:39.31 | project2501a | jelly: 10-4 |
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| 11:42.21 | jozefk | hi amorel how are you doing? :) |
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| 11:44.47 | khaije|selen | olspookishmagus, do u know of any other apps that compare to emacs as a console-based ide? if not thats fine, ill just focus in on emacs |
| 11:45.36 | petemc | vim! |
| 11:45.46 | ethanol | vim <3 |
| 11:46.11 | rgr | project2501a: I have no idea what that has to do with completion but if it makes you feel happy good luck :-; ps tags/ctags/etags/ and csope all provide completion and navigation and have been around since day 1 :-; |
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| 11:47.06 | project2501a | rgr: i love you, too :* |
| 11:47.07 | project2501a | :D |
| 11:48.05 | khaije|selen | cool, thx all |
| 11:48.33 | rgr | khaije|selen: to make emacs any way near as functional as a dedicated IDE is a lot of work. I live in emacs and for java, for example, it is no where near as functional as something like eclipse. It's handy enough at C now Semantic/Cedet is coming along but dont't expect miracles :-; |
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| 11:49.28 | khaije|selen | rgr, well headed, thanks |
| 11:49.49 | khaije|selen | hmm maybe i meant to say heeded lol |
| 11:50.23 | khaije|selen | research time! |
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| 11:51.40 | rgr | emacs is great for debugging with GUD/GDB in the editor if you are familiar with it but again, its a lot of work to learn compared to things like codeblocks, eclipse, (spit) Visual studio and all the rest. Google up DDD for example : the X front end to gdb. |
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| 11:58.01 | MrTorque | how do i install the ethernet drivers for my intel card? |
| 11:58.24 | MrTorque | lspci says for my ethernet card (INTEL) 82573E |
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| 11:59.49 | MrTorque | weird thing is, that http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Intel/S3000AH tells that the card should work out of the box |
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| 12:00.17 | indios | !list |
| 12:00.17 | dpkg | indios: VATTENE VIA |
| 12:02.17 | Supaplex | MrTorque: sounds like the old driver. what's lspci -k say? or lspci -nn |
| 12:02.19 | Supaplex | !pciid |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
| 12:03.49 | Supaplex | MrTorque: e1000 driver loaded? |
| 12:04.14 | MrTorque | Supaplex: setup should do that, shouldn't it?? |
| 12:04.43 | MrTorque | Supaplex: i'll check |
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| 12:06.14 | Supaplex | see irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-boot |
| 12:07.32 | Supaplex | anyway, I'm on my way out. asuming the installer is bug free, and there are not hardware problems it should work. best of luck. ZZzzZzzz... |
| 12:07.38 | MrTorque | Supaplex: modprobe -l | grep e1000 doesn't give me anything |
| 12:07.50 | MrTorque | Supaplex: so i load it with modprobe e1000? |
| 12:07.55 | Supaplex | yea |
| 12:08.09 | MrTorque | e1000 not found :/ |
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| 12:08.35 | Supaplex | is this via debian installer? |
| 12:08.44 | MrTorque | Supaplex: i boot from netinst and usb-pen. Setup claimed, that it could not find an cdrom drive (which is correct) |
| 12:08.56 | MrTorque | Supaplex: what do you mean with via debian installer? |
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| 12:09.26 | Supaplex | netinst has debian installer. |
| 12:10.00 | Supaplex | there is a usb booting method in the install guide, and a different image for saving a .iso file to the usb media (but I never got the latter working). |
| 12:10.36 | MrTorque | Supaplex: i guess it is debian installer. I downloaded amd64 (daily build) and created a bootable usb-stick with unetbootin |
| 12:10.49 | Supaplex | I was able to get netboot working when booted from a usb stick. all the network drivers should be on the initrd, because that's what's downloaded during a pxe boot (but both situations can use the same kernel and initrd) |
| 12:10.52 | MrTorque | The startupscreen is different, but it loads debian installer then. |
| 12:11.15 | Supaplex | it might not have access to the driver components. |
| 12:11.20 | Supaplex | 1m |
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| 12:12.02 | Supaplex | you're using this, right? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 12:12.06 | MrTorque | Supaplex: Supaplex i dont't care about the netinst as far as i get it working with the usb-stick... (don't have cdrom/dcd) |
| 12:12.20 | MrTorque | Supaplex: no, i tryed testing. |
| 12:12.57 | MrTorque | but i can test stable (i need samba to work with win7, so i decided to use testing since samba package is newer there) |
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| 12:13.08 | Supaplex | the release is less important then the method you're trying to use and how you're doing it possibly incomplete. |
| 12:13.47 | Supaplex | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 12:15.29 | Supaplex | if you have enough control to boot your kernel+initrd, use http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
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| 12:16.03 | Supaplex | 8mb and you're good to go. :) |
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| 12:17.01 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue how to delete a page in openoffice writer? god damn, it feels like I've been looking forever. |
| 12:18.08 | MrTorque | Supaplex: what do you mean? should i download initrd.gz?? I do only have windows-machines around atm, (and a vServer...) and i need to prepare usb-pen from that system. |
| 12:18.42 | Supaplex | you can use physdiskwrite instead of dd |
| 12:19.21 | Supaplex | compare between dd, and physdiskwrite: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos-es/junos-es85/junos-es-admin-guide/configuring-internal-compact-flash-recovery.html |
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| 12:19.40 | Supaplex | !debian.exe |
| 12:19.40 | dpkg | i heard debian.exe is a way of installing Debian Lenny from Windows using a network connection, available from http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ . It copies <GRUB2> to C: drive, downloads a <netboot> kernel/initrd from a Debian mirror, and creates entries in NTLDR's boot.ini for loading Debian-Installer via grub4dos. See also <win32-loader> |
| 12:19.43 | Supaplex | or use that. |
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| 12:20.21 | MrTorque | Supaplex: hehe, i would, but i need to install on a different machine. |
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| 12:21.21 | MrTorque | Supaplex: i will try the stable netinst with unebootin, if that doesn't work, i will do it the manual way with physdiskwrite. |
| 12:21.24 | Supaplex | haha. okay. physdiskwrite should do the trick. you should reinsert the usb stick after a few seconds of completion to let it reread the new image written to disk. |
| 12:23.04 | MrTorque | k |
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| 12:23.48 | MrTorque | Supaplex: the e1000 driver is included in the netinst for sure?? |
| 12:24.14 | Supaplex | I would hope so |
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| 12:24.20 | WormFood | how in the fuck can deleting a page in openoffice writer be so god damn hard? |
| 12:24.24 | themill | It doesn't support all cards though. |
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| 12:25.33 | themill | WormFood: let's not go through this again.... "/msg dpkg ask" and "/msg dpkg volunteers" |
| 12:26.00 | themill | Supaplex: could you merge the "goodbye-windows.com" and "debian.exe" factoids into one? There's enough overlap to be merged but you know what details are important to keep better than me. |
| 12:26.23 | Supaplex | yeah. 1m. |
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| 12:26.54 | themill | Supaplex: thanks :) |
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| 12:27.40 | Supaplex | is WormFood on the rag? it's entertaining to watch the bitchyness. :P |
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| 12:28.21 | nkuttler | hehe, oo.org. why would you want to _edit_ anything in that... |
| 12:29.45 | Supaplex | MrTorque: found this in the initrd, lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko |
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| 12:30.24 | Supaplex | on testing. however, I don't know what exact card you have. This is my best guess based on the chip model you mentioned earlier. |
| 12:30.25 | valdyn | WormFood: the page should go away when you delete the page contents |
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| 12:30.42 | valdyn | WormFood: i dont get how that couldnt have been obvious, so whats broken? |
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| 12:31.21 | Supaplex | maybe the power cable needs to be reseated |
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| 12:33.59 | jakuub | hi |
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| 12:34.37 | jakuub | can smn help me? I`m husing broadcom-sta driver and if i want to change mac address, there is problem with changing (SIOCSIFHWADDR: Too many open files in system) |
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| 12:35.12 | WormFood | thank you themill |
| 12:35.21 | WormFood | valdyn, you're right, it should go away, but it isn't |
| 12:35.25 | themill | WormFood: have you tried closing the document and re-opening it? That has been known to help with OOo pagination issues |
| 12:35.41 | WormFood | no, I didn't, it never even crossed my mind |
| 12:35.41 | MrTorque | Supaplex: okay, thanks. I had just an idea... i have an eee PC with some Ubuntu on it. Do you think it is easyer to get my usb-stick prepared from that machine? |
| 12:35.48 | WormFood | I'll try, but I doubt it will help... |
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| 12:36.16 | jelly | themill: goodbye goodbye-windows? |
| 12:36.25 | themill | heh |
| 12:37.00 | jelly | <jelly> goodbye-windows <dpkg> are you using Windows? |
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| 12:37.17 | WormFood | heh...closing it and opening it, screwed up the formatting, and now my table is spread across 2 pages again |
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| 12:38.05 | valdyn | WormFood: maybe your table has been spread accross 2 pages all along, but the part on the 2nd page was to small to be seen |
| 12:38.19 | WormFood | no, it is clearly on one page |
| 12:38.38 | WormFood | now I adjusted the table to be on one page again, closed it, opened it, and still can't delete the 2nd page |
| 12:38.58 | valdyn | WormFood: something invisible is on the 2nd page |
| 12:39.00 | WormFood | googling suggests there may be some invisible element on the 2nd page |
| 12:39.02 | valdyn | WormFood: delete the table? |
| 12:39.12 | WormFood | but I didn't add anything to the 2nd page. |
| 12:39.21 | valdyn | WormFood: thats the table probably |
| 12:39.29 | valdyn | WormFood: but I already said that... |
| 12:40.02 | themill | WormFood: does the table go right to the bottom of the page (i.e. is there a ¶ after the table on the first page?) |
| 12:40.02 | WormFood | this is freaky....I changed my font size from 11 to 10, and the 2nd page is gone now.....but the table was clearly all on the 1st page |
| 12:40.07 | valdyn | WormFood: i tend to believe its the table because i have *never* seen that issue in oo, but I also dont get to help people with tables, because they dont use them |
| 12:40.11 | WormFood | also changing the font size did not appear to change the table size |
| 12:40.51 | WormFood | this is wacky, but the problem is solved now...thanks for your help guys |
| 12:40.58 | valdyn | WormFood: instead of changing the font size you can change the margins |
| 12:41.10 | WormFood | I did change the margins...at least right-left |
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| 12:41.32 | themill | WormFood: it's likely to be the top/bottom margin not leaving enough room for the ¶ after the table. |
| 12:41.36 | WormFood | there is extra space below the text, but it won't let me make it any smaller on the vertical scale |
| 12:41.52 | WormFood | it appears that there is enough of a margin |
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| 12:41.57 | valdyn | WormFood: you should sitch on the format signs like ¶ |
| 12:42.32 | MrTorque | Supaplex: okay, i am doing it the linux way... where do i get the bootloader from? which iso should i use? netinst or CD1? |
| 12:42.54 | jelly | only remembers seeing ¶ in WordPerfect 5.1 |
| 12:43.09 | valdyn | i dont get how anyone would volunteerily work without those |
| 12:43.18 | petemc | its standard where i work |
| 12:43.23 | valdyn | or voluntarily? wtf |
| 12:43.25 | valdyn | sp? |
| 12:43.31 | jelly | the latter |
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| 12:44.55 | MrTorque | Supaplex: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz is this right?? |
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| 12:45.55 | WormFood | I try to move the table to the middle of the page...since I can't move the left margin I try the "centered" button....that gave me the 2nd blank page again, but if I resize my text, the 2nd page is always there. |
| 12:46.03 | WormFood | I think oo writer isn't so hot with tables. |
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| 12:46.41 | valdyn | WormFood: i dont know myself, my sister wroter her medical phd with it and thats alot of tables.. |
| 12:47.42 | valdyn | I prefer tex ;) |
| 12:48.12 | WormFood | valdyn, well, it is acceptable now...not exactly what I want (I want smaller cells, with less space around the text), but it will do |
| 12:48.40 | valdyn | WormFood: maybe importing calc tables is preferable. |
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| 12:49.06 | valdyn | ( or thats actually embedding, not importing ) |
| 12:49.28 | WormFood | I'm 1/2 tempted to just make an html table |
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| 12:50.10 | WormFood | at least then, I know I can format it the way I want....but sadly it can't be made page oriented. |
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| 12:54.23 | shellclear | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.32 | shellclear | could someone help? |
| 12:55.15 | jelly | help doing what? Blocking access, reading logs, suggesting what to do? |
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| 12:55.35 | ethanol | "my server was attacked with a perl script" |
| 12:55.37 | ethanol | epic lolz |
| 12:56.17 | jelly | I don't expect random webmasters to distnguish between an attacking tool and a payload. |
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| 12:57.37 | WormFood | shellclear, what do you want help with? |
| 12:58.20 | Flimm | I'm trying to install Debian unstalble from a USB stick and I get this error after choosing a mirror: No kernel modules were found |
| 12:58.40 | Flimm | I used Unetbootin to get Debian on the USB stick |
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| 13:01.03 | WormFood | shellclear, make sure you have your system up to date....if you have 3rd party software installed (not from the debian repositories), then I suggest you search for what you have here http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities and see if there are any exploits for it...most likely you'll find some vector for attack, that the "bad guys" used to get their crap on your system. |
| 13:01.29 | WormFood | does anyone else have a better list of vulnerabilities than securityfocus? |
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| 13:02.12 | themill | !tracker of doom |
| 13:02.12 | dpkg | tracker of doom is probably a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 13:02.47 | WormFood | themill, does that index non-debian vulnerabilities? |
| 13:03.01 | themill | debian specific |
| 13:03.10 | Gambaroni | When running sudo rsync -pltv --delete /var/svn/* martin@192.168.5.10:/storage/Backup/Webserver/svn-settings/ I get rsync: --delete does not work without -r or -d. What would be a solution to that? |
| 13:03.38 | WormFood | Gambaroni, add -r or -d? |
| 13:04.03 | themill | Gambaroni: you probably actually want "-a" in there (implies -r) |
| 13:04.32 | themill | Weren't you looking at svn-hot-copy or something that was less likely to produce broken backups though? |
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| 13:14.04 | alhadi | hello |
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| 13:18.22 | MrMoto | hello |
| 13:18.25 | MrMoto | :P |
| 13:18.55 | MrMoto | where can i get a basic firewall on iptables ? |
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| 13:19.24 | petemc | MrMoto: shorewall isnt a bad front end |
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| 13:21.00 | MrTorque | K |
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| 13:22.11 | MrTorque | I need some help, installing debian from USB-pen. i downloaded a boot.img and copied to my usb stick. the installer booted, but my network-card wasn't found. |
| 13:22.23 | zrin | bash 3.2 ... what is wrong with [[ 'aaaa' =~ 'a+' ]]; echo $? |
| 13:23.08 | MrTorque | lspci says it is 82573E and i think i need the e1000 driver which i can not load with modprobe e1000 |
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| 13:23.20 | MrTorque | it is not found... so, how do i install debian on that machine? |
| 13:23.33 | jelly | !tell MrTorque -about kmuto |
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| 13:24.29 | jelly | MrTorque: it might be e1000, it might be e1000e, it might need either firmware or a newer kernel or both... so try a modified installer image which has both. |
| 13:24.53 | jelly | MrTorque: actual pciid would help in determining the driver |
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| 13:25.19 | jelly | (use lspci -n to find out the xxxx:xxxx hex number) |
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| 13:27.01 | MrTorque | jelly: should i give you the number now or should i first try the modified package? |
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| 13:27.45 | jelly | MrTorque: well, you'll end up trying the updated installer anyway, so why not give the pciid |
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| 13:27.57 | MrTorque | jelly: i was trying debian testing. it is newer then lenny, so why the modified package? |
| 13:28.16 | jelly | MrTorque: testing isn't released yet |
| 13:28.48 | jelly | unless you want to help fixing debian, you don't want to use it |
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| 13:30.51 | MrTorque | jelly: okay, that's a good point. I will need then to install a newer samba... just booting the other machine.... |
| 13:32.45 | MrTorque | jelly: from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ what should i download? the iso or the bootloader? |
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| 13:34.08 | MrTorque | i do not have the command pciid on the other machine |
| 13:34.08 | jelly | MrTorque: it should be pretty much self-explanatory... iso if you're booting from CD/DVD, USB image if you're... booting from USB |
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| 13:34.17 | jelly | MrTorque: lspci -n |
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| 13:34.56 | MrMoto | where can i find the driver for capture videocard philips saa7146 |
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| 13:38.37 | MrTorque | jelly: the second last entry from lspci is the also the last from lspi -n? |
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| 13:40.06 | simonrvn | if it's the same machine, of course |
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| 13:41.32 | MrTorque | it is |
| 13:41.38 | jelly | MrTorque: eg. 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: [...] matches 02:00.0 0200: [...] |
| 13:42.27 | MrTorque | i get 03:00.0 0200:80086:1082 |
| 13:42.46 | jelly | MrTorque: when you figure it out, say "judd: pciid 8086:1082" |
| 13:43.41 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:1082 |
| 13:43.43 | judd | jelly: [8086:1082] is '631xESB/632xESB LAN Controller fiber' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1082 |
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| 13:44.13 | jelly | blinks at the "fiber" bit |
| 13:44.15 | MrTorque | jelly: why 8086 and not 80086? |
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| 13:44.31 | jelly | MrTorque: because you made a typo |
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| 13:44.49 | MrTorque | jelly: wow, you are good :) |
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| 13:45.03 | MrTorque | okay, so the support for that card looks bad |
| 13:45.40 | jelly | is there any other 02xx: line? |
| 13:45.55 | themill | that's not the same card name |
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| 13:46.09 | themill | judd pciname 82573E |
| 13:46.11 | judd | themill: '82573E' matched: [8086:108c] '82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' from 'Intel Corporation', [8086:108e] '82573E KCS (Active Management)' from 'Intel Corporation', [8086:10b3] '82573E PRO/1000 PM Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' |
| 13:46.34 | MrTorque | jelly: yap, there is (another ethernet card (pci)) |
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| 13:47.01 | MrTorque | judd: 8086:1229 |
| 13:47.02 | judd | MrTorque: Error: "8086:1229" is not a valid command. |
| 13:47.19 | MrTorque | judd: pciid 8086:1229 |
| 13:47.21 | judd | MrTorque: [8086:1229] is '82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1229 |
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| 13:47.42 | MrTorque | hehe, at least for one :) |
| 13:47.52 | jelly | that one would be supported (and rather old) |
| 13:47.56 | themill | hmm... that's *also* not the same card name |
| 13:48.17 | MrTorque | themill: what do you mean? |
| 13:48.31 | MrTorque | jelly: lucky that i got it, hm? |
| 13:48.32 | jelly | MrTorque: verify you didn't make more typos on the supposed 8086:1082 one |
| 13:48.57 | themill | MrTorque: you said earlier that it was a "82573E" and none of the PCI-Ids you've given us have that name. (judd shows the same names as lspci) |
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| 13:49.19 | MrTorque | jelly: did check it. |
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| 13:49.24 | jelly | themill: does judd have lenny pci.ids database? |
| 13:49.34 | MrTorque | jelly: modprobe e100 or eepro100 dont work ./ |
| 13:49.36 | MrTorque | :/ |
| 13:50.00 | themill | jelly: no, it wgets the latest from sf.net so it could show something slightly different (but not so different as we're seeing here, normally) |
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| 13:50.48 | themill | jelly: a model number like 82573E would normally still be in it, for example. (unless lenny's just says "unknown device", that is) |
| 13:50.55 | MrTorque | themill: lspci shows 82573E and for the other one 83557/8/9/0/1 |
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| 13:51.23 | themill | MrTorque: use "lspci -nn" and double check that pciid |
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| 13:51.43 | jelly | themill: an old db snapshot could be just plain wrong |
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| 13:53.15 | MrTorque | themill: double checked both. |
| 13:53.28 | jelly | 1082 and 10B2 look similar... ;-) |
| 13:53.57 | MrTorque | judd: pciid 8086:108c |
| 13:53.58 | judd | MrTorque: [8086:108c] is '82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:108c |
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| 13:54.32 | jelly | that's more like it |
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| 13:54.54 | themill | I said that! |
| 13:54.58 | MrTorque | sorry :) |
| 13:55.05 | themill | (or rather, I got judd to say that) |
| 13:55.06 | MrTorque | really sorry... |
| 13:55.12 | themill | MrTorque: no worries ;) |
| 13:55.16 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 13:55.16 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 13:55.56 | MrTorque | okay, i will now write the img from kmuto on my usb-stick and try again, right? |
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| 13:56.41 | themill | yeah... I'm not sure why the lenny installer doesn't like it actually, unless it's one of these funny cards that claimed to have support in 2.6.25 but didn't really until later |
| 13:57.03 | jelly | do those require firmware? |
| 13:57.12 | themill | nfc |
| 13:58.18 | Stereo | themill: what I did was install lenny on a dell r210 without any network support, then installed the firmware and the kernel from the backports using a usb stick |
| 13:58.25 | jelly | kmuto's images will have firmware anyway |
| 13:58.26 | Stereo | (hi google) |
| 13:58.49 | jelly | that's an option too, Stereo |
| 13:58.51 | MrMoto | where can i find the driver for capture videocard philips saa7146 |
| 13:58.52 | themill | Stereo: yeah, that's the other way of doing it |
| 13:58.56 | Stereo | I had to boot the dell r210 with the stock lenny kernel with acpi=off the first time |
| 13:59.23 | Stereo | I thought it had less chances of breakage than using kmoto's images, which didn't work anyway |
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| 14:00.36 | Stereo | (google irclog goodness: dell poweredge r210 debian lenny firmware-bnx2 backports acpi thermal kernel) |
| 14:00.58 | jelly | eh, bnx2 requires firmware. e1000e... dunno |
| 14:02.16 | MrTorque | hehe, now i know why jelly wondered about the "fiber"... i wanted to ask, but didnt :) |
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| 14:06.10 | MrTorque | so, next problem: i want to decrypt every partion but the boot and system partition. should i do that now in the installer or later? |
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| 14:06.30 | Snadder | I was thinking about gfs2.. but that have been beta for ages. |
| 14:08.05 | Justin | MrTorque: decrypt? |
| 14:08.27 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 the definitive name for the new kernel or is it an "experimental" package name ? |
| 14:08.41 | MrTorque | encrypt :) |
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| 14:11.44 | qwd | MrTorque: do it in the installer, that's probably the easiest way. (I've only done it in the installer and would be surprised if any other way can be easier) |
| 14:12.17 | MrTorque | qwd: what for do i need the LVM? |
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| 14:22.57 | rebgil | sorry I should have done that first. |
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| 14:30.42 | Myth` | I have a problem. |
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| 14:31.03 | Myth` | I have two folders. Each folder is supposed to have files with identical names but the files are not the same. |
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| 14:31.26 | Myth` | Problem is Folder1 has 1000 files, and the other folder has 994 files. |
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| 14:31.38 | Myth` | How can I easily find the 6 files that are missing? |
| 14:32.25 | Justin | Myth`: diff |
| 14:32.38 | Myth` | I can specify compare filenames only? |
| 14:32.46 | pngwn | man diff |
| 14:33.17 | Justin | diff <(find a) <(find b) |
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| 14:33.38 | Myth` | Justin> Thanks, I'll try it out. |
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| 14:35.30 | MrTorque | I did configure raid (mirror), but debian installer shows two harddisks... shouldn't there be only one? |
| 14:35.31 | Tommy_DO | what's the difference between recommended and suggested packages in debian packaging? |
| 14:35.47 | themill | "diff <(cd a && find) <(cd b && find)" (or some find format that doesn't include a/ and b/ in the output would be better |
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| 14:36.15 | OpenTokix | MrTorque: I think you have encountered what is called "Fake raid" - there is a nifty info-thing in dpkg |
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| 14:36.56 | themill | Tommy_DO: see §7.2 of debian policy for the formal definitions. (It's probably also in the debian reference and apt howto etc) |
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| 14:37.39 | MrTorque | OpenTokix: but i set the raid configuration in the bios, it should "hide" the real devices from the debian installer. at least, this would make sense. |
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| 14:39.49 | OpenTokix | MrTorque: yes, if it was a real raidcontroller it does, but if its a fake raid it will |
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| 14:40.32 | OpenTokix | dkpg tell MrTorque fakeraide |
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| 14:41.28 | OpenTokix | dpkg: tell MrTorque about fakeraid |
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| 14:45.39 | MrTorque | OpenTokix: so i can be sure that my mainboard only supports fake raid when debian installer shows two devices even if i set raid with these two devices? |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 14:45.55 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_RAID_FAQ . See also <libata>. |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | that first URL can help you determine if it's fakeraid |
| 14:46.36 | djura-san | what is the best compressed archive format for plain texts? Im building one script and in archive there are bash scripta and docs.. And some pics :) |
| 14:46.38 | OpenTokix | MrTorque: yes, I have yet to see a built in motherboard-raid that is not fakeraid |
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| 14:48.10 | abrotman | OpenTokix: they exist .. but not cheaply |
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| 14:48.37 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I am sure they do - but I have yet to encounter one |
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| 14:48.50 | abrotman | OpenTokix: stop buying cheap junk! :) |
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| 14:50.04 | OpenTokix | abrotman: hehe, I buy pci-e-controller instead =) |
| 14:50.09 | OpenTokix | abrotman: found one that works great |
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| 14:51.18 | abrotman | OpenTokix: i think supermicro and tyan used to sell them, but i'd rather not go through the whole site to look for them now :) |
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| 14:53.24 | MrTorque | OpenTokix: so what is the advantage of configuring it in bios and then the need to configure it with mdadm? |
| 14:53.36 | OpenTokix | MrTorque: none, just confusing |
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| 14:53.44 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I use Areca Arc-12xx controllers now |
| 14:53.45 | MrTorque | even if i have no bios raid, i would be able tu use mdadm... |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | MrTorque: the BIOS setting doesn't matter to linux .. it's not real RAID |
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| 14:54.10 | abrotman | MrTorque: think of it somewhat like a winmodem .. it requires software to make it actually work |
| 14:54.21 | MrTorque | just another selling-argument for stupid customers.. which i was in this case |
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| 14:54.51 | NoReflex | hey guys! how can I check if a process running is 32 bit or 64 bit? ps aux doesn't display this info |
| 14:55.18 | MrTorque | abrotman: should i disable raid in the bios and use mdadm or should i "create" the raid raid-arrays in bios and then again with mdadm? |
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| 14:56.16 | abrotman | MrTorque: AIUI, the BIOS setting has no importance in linux, so it doesn't matter to that OS (it may to others) what you set it to |
| 14:57.10 | xk | NoReflex: "file <location_of_binary>" |
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| 14:59.20 | cantoma | guys, when i code an application (lets say in c) if I want to install for all the system (be accesible by any user in a console) (make install it) what should I be aware of? Is there any tutorial for make install? does it changes from distro to distro? |
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| 14:59.48 | [Elvis] | hej guys, how can I use aptitude to remove config files of packages? |
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| 15:01.59 | abrotman | [Elvis]: you should have purged the package |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | [Elvis]: now you use dpkg if the package is in an 'rc' state |
| 15:02.12 | brad_ | how to I get debian to install on a hd under 140mb ? |
| 15:02.21 | brad_ | I need X and rdesktop |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | (perhaps you could use the -o options) |
| 15:02.26 | abrotman | brad_: not likely |
| 15:02.38 | [Elvis] | abrotman what command dpkg --purge? |
| 15:02.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:02.44 | [Elvis] | I did aptitude remove? |
| 15:02.51 | [Elvis] | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mysql-server which isn't installed. |
| 15:02.51 | dpkg | [Elvis]: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 15:02.55 | abrotman | brad_: the base system (without working to remove stuff) is about 200MB IIRC |
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| 15:03.12 | et | heh |
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| 15:03.27 | et | no more "you are moron #1, $nickname"? |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:03.43 | [Elvis] | abrotman ...how can i purge it with dpkg |
| 15:03.46 | [Elvis] | if it's allready removed? |
| 15:03.48 | brad_ | I've got a little hp thin client, let me check the drive space on it |
| 15:03.53 | Justin | [Elvis]: purge it |
| 15:03.55 | korhojoa_ | dpkg moron |
| 15:03.55 | joltcan | [Elvis]: -P |
| 15:03.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | [Elvis]: dpkg -l mysql-server .. what's the package state ? |
| 15:04.06 | [Elvis] | joltcan how? it says it's not installed when i try to purge it |
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| 15:04.46 | joltcan | [Elvis]: dpkg -P packagename |
| 15:04.59 | [Elvis] | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 15:04.59 | [Elvis] | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
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| 15:05.11 | abrotman | [Elvis]: we only need the last line |
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| 15:05.27 | [Elvis] | pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
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| 15:05.42 | abrotman | so it's been purged already |
| 15:06.06 | [Elvis] | ./etc/mysql still exists |
| 15:06.19 | abrotman | [Elvis]: dpkg -l mysql* .. look for 'rc' ones .. purge those |
| 15:06.34 | ttyS1 | iceweasel and firefox crash all the time. apparently it has a memory leak and it almost crashes the entire system every time it's left open. the adobe flash stops working and I'm not able to watch flash videos (very slow and breaks up) unless I restart it. Is everyone having the same problem ? |
| 15:06.42 | [Elvis] | rc mysql-common and rc mysql-server-5.0 |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | ttyS1: usually it's a flash problem |
| 15:06.50 | abrotman | [Elvis]: so purge those |
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| 15:07.22 | ttyS1 | abrotman: are there any workarounds ? |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | ttyS1: not use flash? :) |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | ttyS1: make sure your flash is up to date |
| 15:07.40 | [Elvis] | abrotman what does un mean? |
| 15:07.42 | [Elvis] | unknown ? |
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| 15:07.49 | ttyS1 | abrotman: lol kind of imposible now days |
| 15:07.57 | azeem_ | [Elvis]: see the lines you pasted earlier |
| 15:07.57 | abrotman | [Elvis]: there's a guide at the top |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | ttyS1: about:plugins .. are oyu sure oyu're using adobe flash |
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| 15:08.59 | abrotman | moves his 'o' and 'y' keys |
| 15:08.59 | ttyS1 | abrotman: hum how can i make sure |
| 15:08.59 | [Elvis] | unpacked abrotman >? |
| 15:09.21 | abrotman | ttyS1: about:plugins or ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 15:10.25 | ttyS1 | abrotman: sorry got disconnected, I think I missed what you said |
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| 15:10.37 | jelly | abrotman: hey... are you using hw or software flow control to talk to ttyS1? |
| 15:10.46 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | ttyS1: about:plugins or ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 15:10.52 | jelly | ... either way it doesn't seem to work |
| 15:11.11 | ttyS1 | jelly: ? |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | ttyS1: he was trying to make a joke |
| 15:11.46 | jelly | with such a nickname, you ought to be able to figure out the pun |
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| 15:12.10 | ttyS1 | lol ok I'm like I'm not using a serial terminal |
| 15:15.04 | ttyS1 | abrotman: there is nothing with the name flash-mozilla.so. all I see is iceape-flashplugin and firefox-flashplugin |
| 15:15.30 | brad_ | ok.. I've got 128 and I'm trying to get linux, X and rdesktop installed on it. |
| 15:15.32 | ttyS1 | abrotman: and iceweasel-flashplugin |
| 15:15.36 | brad_ | suggestions? |
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| 15:15.56 | Justin | brad_: 128 what? |
| 15:16.05 | brad_ | mb |
| 15:16.09 | Justin | of what! |
| 15:16.09 | abrotman | ttyS1: so what does about:plugins say ? |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | HDD space |
| 15:16.32 | brad_ | yes |
| 15:16.39 | brad_ | 128MB of HD space |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | and 16GB RAM ? |
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| 15:16.54 | brad_ | that must be someone else |
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| 15:17.08 | brad_ | I've got about 512ram |
| 15:17.15 | Justin | debian will fit in 128M easy, can't install it, but you can easily build an image |
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| 15:17.30 | ttyS1 | abrotman: it says libflashplayer.so |
| 15:17.35 | Justin | or look at embedian or any of the other tiny linux installs |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | whihc version .... |
| 15:17.53 | brad_ | Justin: I'm looking at embedian now, I just found it |
| 15:18.33 | Justin | if you install debian and install localepurge and delete /usr/share/doc and /usr/man, etc, you could easily get it to be under 128 |
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| 15:18.53 | Gambaroni | When running sudo rsync -pltv --delete /var/svn/* martin@192.168.5.10:/storage/Backup/Webserver/svn-settings/ I get rsync: --delete does not work without -r or -d. What would be a solution to that? |
| 15:18.56 | brad_ | I was thinking of mounting my cache in my nfs server, or doing the install to my nfs and then coping it back |
| 15:19.18 | Justin | Gambaroni: man rsync would be a good idea |
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| 15:19.36 | tablet | Hi |
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| 15:19.41 | brad_ | Justin: can I install on one computer and then copy it to another ? |
| 15:19.43 | tablet | how can I remove my email from bugs.debian.org ? |
| 15:19.46 | Gambaroni | Justin already read that, but it doesn't answer my question. I don't want to include dirs |
| 15:19.47 | tablet | its not protecting emails |
| 15:19.47 | Justin | brad_: yes |
| 15:19.49 | tablet | but exposing them |
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| 15:20.13 | Justin | rsync -avP --delete /var/svn/ martin@192.168.5.10:/storage/Backup/Webserver/svn-settings/ |
| 15:20.27 | Justin | or something like that |
| 15:20.36 | brad_ | this is going to be fun, but I've got a few ideas |
| 15:20.54 | Gambaroni | Justin -a = -r I DON'T want the dirs |
| 15:21.15 | Justin | Gambaroni: I don't think you know what you want |
| 15:21.23 | Gambaroni | I know what I want |
| 15:21.26 | Gambaroni | I got 2 diretories |
| 15:21.28 | Gambaroni | and 2 files |
| 15:21.30 | Gambaroni | in /var/svn |
| 15:21.48 | Gambaroni | I want to sync the files (2). If someone adds a third, then it would be copied |
| 15:21.48 | tablet | Any help? |
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| 15:22.09 | Gambaroni | Would I delete the third again that should be deleted on destination as well Justin |
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| 15:23.23 | oliva | hi there ... how can I change package status from pi to ii ? |
| 15:23.36 | themill | Gambaroni: your * is matching the directories hence you are telling rsync to also copy those directories. If that's not what you want, then don't use * or use some sort of "exclude" pattern or use a temporary directory somewhere to hold the data |
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| 15:24.00 | Justin | or just don't put things you want and things you don't want in the same location |
| 15:25.09 | themill | (that's what I said!) |
| 15:25.19 | Justin | themill: sort of |
| 15:25.28 | themill | "or use a temporary directory somewhere to hold the data" |
| 15:26.06 | Justin | s/temporary // |
| 15:26.08 | Gambaroni | Hm, I think I rewrite a bit. |
| 15:27.11 | themill | Justin: given it's a snapshot from an svn hotcopy being made solely for the purposes of backing up the repo, it is temporary data. |
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| 15:29.43 | Justin | themill: :-P |
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| 15:32.46 | brad_ | I'm creating a vm with 4 disk, / @ 128, /usr/man @1gig. /usr/share/doc @1gig and /var/cache/apt @1 gig, and then I'll copy the 128 to my device |
| 15:32.48 | brad_ | good plan ? |
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| 15:33.35 | Justin | brad_: no |
| 15:33.36 | ttyS1 | abrotman: what package am I supposed to have installed. I have adobe-flashplugin, swfdec-gnome and libswfdec-0.6-90 installed |
| 15:33.50 | oliva | what command should I use to modify desired status of packages? |
| 15:33.55 | Justin | brad_: just make a 1G / and delete stuff until it fits |
| 15:34.33 | Justin | brad_: if you never upgrade the client directly you can even avoid copying all the debian specific files like /var/lib/dpkg/ stuff |
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| 15:35.26 | Gambaroni | Justin / themill what's wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m5b259134 :) |
| 15:35.30 | Gambaroni | below the line |
| 15:36.28 | Justin | line 1 should be for A in /var/svn/*/ |
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| 15:37.16 | Gambaroni | Justin I'm into the line 10-18 now |
| 15:37.25 | Justin | oh |
| 15:37.53 | brad_ | I'm guess dd won't work here, nc | tar ? |
| 15:37.56 | Gambaroni | Justin going to copy everything and then just run rsync on that |
| 15:38.15 | phcoder | Hello, all. I have a USB modem which exposes itself as disk too. Modem part works fine but devkti-disks-daemon tries to mount disk, fails and issues an eject command which desactivates whole device. Any known solution to it? |
| 15:38.28 | Justin | you can simplify things quite a bit if you just cd /var/svn first |
| 15:38.52 | Justin | or if you just call basename once instead of 4 times |
| 15:39.04 | Gambaroni | Justin hm, how? :) |
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| 15:39.35 | Justin | project=$(basename $f) |
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| 15:40.43 | abrotman | ttyS1: if you install 'adobe-flashplugin' i won't help you fix the mess |
| 15:40.49 | abrotman | !tell ttyS1 about adobe flash |
| 15:40.53 | Gambaroni | Justin and then? :P |
| 15:41.20 | TheJoe | Should a manually compiled package (make install) be recognised as a dependency by apt-get? |
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| 15:42.07 | chellomere | TheJoe, no. |
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| 15:42.40 | TheJoe | chellomere: Ok well can I ignore a dependency? This package is being completely halted on account of this dependency |
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| 15:43.55 | ttyS1 | abrotman: hey I'll remove it, i don't mind I hate commercial software |
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| 15:44.05 | chellomere | TheJoe, you cannot, but you can use something like equivs. but with care. why are you compiling stuff available as packages anyway? |
| 15:44.15 | abrotman | ttyS1: no, i'm saying that package isn't for Debian |
| 15:44.32 | ttyS1 | oh |
| 15:44.34 | Gambaroni | Justin doesn't work at all |
| 15:44.48 | Justin | Gambaroni: you did it wrong |
| 15:44.50 | TheJoe | chellomere: I'm compiling a newer version of a package, libjack. It's the fact that this doesn't have the right version that Pulse 0.9.15 isn't functional on Debian |
| 15:45.08 | Gambaroni | Justin I believe you |
| 15:45.15 | ttyS1 | abrotman: so what's the best thing to do, I'm tired of the browser crashing all the time |
| 15:45.17 | Justin | Gambaroni: re pastebin what you did |
| 15:45.50 | Gambaroni | Justin http://pastebin.com/m587a09ce |
| 15:45.52 | chellomere | TheJoe, are you on stable, and if so, did you check whether a backport from sid would work? |
| 15:45.54 | Gambaroni | doesn't work at all :P |
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| 15:46.16 | TheJoe | chellomere: It's the backported version which is missing |
| 15:46.40 | Justin | Gambaroni: I said or. you did both things. pick one |
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| 15:47.45 | Gambaroni | Justin http://pastebin.com/m73e5cd14 doesn't work either |
| 15:48.17 | chellomere | TheJoe, I was suggesting that you could backport the version in sid. |
| 15:49.06 | Justin | Gambaroni: stop saying doesn't work |
| 15:49.37 | TheJoe | chellomere: Hmm I could try |
| 15:49.42 | Gambaroni | Justin sry. |
| 15:50.23 | abrotman | ttyS1: see what the bot told you |
| 15:50.44 | Gambaroni | Justin what's wrong? :) |
| 15:50.44 | chellomere | TheJoe, sid has 0.118+svn3796-1, you can follow the instructions at "/msg dpkg ssb" to backport it |
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| 15:51.26 | chellomere | TheJoe, however, are you saying that stable has a too old version of jack to support its pulse audio? or what's the real problem? |
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| 15:52.15 | TheJoe | chellomere: I've installed the backported PulseAudio, but without libjack0 109 or above, libasound2-plugins cannot be installed which causes the connection to Pulse to fail |
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| 15:52.48 | chellomere | TheJoe, stable has libjack0 0.109.2-5. |
| 15:53.23 | TheJoe | chellomere: Well it's not installing |
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| 15:53.46 | ttyS1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:54.23 | chellomere | TheJoe, so, what's the real problem? |
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| 15:54.35 | TheJoe | chellomere: "It is not going to be installed" |
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| 15:55.08 | chellomere | TheJoe, look above for the real error. |
| 15:55.08 | eshat | hi all, what is a nice good and fast alternative to C++, can ruby programs also be compiled? |
| 15:55.19 | caraconan | Hi. I've got a bridge => http://pastebin.com/m592bf9fb How can I test it? |
| 15:55.21 | TheJoe | Depends: libjack0 (>= 0.109.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:55.35 | caraconan | I'm playing with GNS3 and I'm not able to ping from virtual router to tap0 virtual device |
| 15:55.57 | asaleem | I just did an dist-upgrade o etch and now I dont see any grub related files /boot. Does someone knows why |
| 15:56.00 | chellomere | TheJoe, if you try to install libjack0 manually, what does it say? |
| 15:56.11 | caraconan | Wireshark shows that the detination is the bridge MAC address, but I expect that was the eth3 one |
| 15:56.11 | asaleem | Should I install grub? |
| 15:56.20 | TheJoe | chellomere: I'm in the middle of compiling now |
| 15:56.23 | caraconan | tap0 <-> br0 <-> eth3 |
| 15:56.28 | oliva | can I manually edit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:56.31 | oliva | ?? |
| 15:56.32 | chellomere | eshat, that question is very ambiguous. |
| 15:56.44 | abrotman | oliva: you can, probably make a backup first |
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| 15:57.25 | oliva | abrotman: that's the only way to modify Desired Action from Purge to Install? |
| 15:57.45 | abrotman | you could probably use dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:58.14 | chellomere | TheJoe, unless you install the resulting binaries, there will be no problems. |
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| 16:00.32 | eshat | chellomere: hmm, sorry but what does "ambiguous" mean ? |
| 16:00.45 | oliva | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:00.46 | pom_ | How do I create a new user that should NOT be able to log in? I just want to be able to run programs as it and su myself into it. |
| 16:01.00 | eshat | chellomere: ahh ok, google helped.... hmm let me try it again |
| 16:01.13 | Justin | pom_: adduser --help ? |
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| 16:02.20 | scratchme | Hi all. |
| 16:02.21 | pom_ | Waddaya know. |
| 16:02.22 | caraconan | How can I test the bridge? I'm not sure is working well |
| 16:02.22 | eshat | I am looking for a nice, clean actual programming language (for example like pascal), that is used nowadays and a good alternative in speed and possibilities to C++ . |
| 16:02.25 | oliva | dpkg --get-selections | grep purge | sed "s/purge$/install/" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | oliva: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
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| 16:02.37 | oliva | did the trick |
| 16:02.46 | Justin | eshat: go? |
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| 16:02.59 | eshat | Justin: is that google's programming language ? |
| 16:03.14 | Justin | something like that |
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| 16:03.44 | scratchme | I've had a fun adventure this past few days. I do have a somewhat philosophical question. Regarding the quickness of updates to supported packages, I noticed some packages are quite out of date on the stable. For example eclipse is 3.2. Is there a supported method for getting just a little bit more recent, even if it's not the latest? |
| 16:04.18 | azeem_ | scratchme: backports.org is semi-supported |
| 16:04.24 | azeem_ | but I don't think eclipse is on there either |
| 16:04.48 | d1b | erh damn tab |
| 16:04.56 | d1b | scratchme: why do you need it ? |
| 16:05.04 | scratchme | azeem_, right, I had to use backports to add the flash plugin for amd64. |
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| 16:05.44 | scratchme | d1b, the older eclipse isn't even offered for some of the plugins I would like to use. For example: http://www.jboss.org/tools/download.html |
| 16:06.06 | d1b | right. |
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| 16:06.36 | scratchme | 3.4 Ganymede for example was released in May 30, 2008. That's around 18 months+ ago. |
| 16:06.54 | scratchme | Or near that time anyway. |
| 16:07.06 | d1b | scratchme: you could go and download it from the eclipse site i guess :P |
| 16:07.10 | d1b | (probably easier) |
| 16:07.16 | caraconan | How can I test the bridge? I'm not sure is working well |
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| 16:07.51 | d1b | caraconan: if it works, its good :P |
| 16:08.11 | scratchme | d1b, the problem I have with that, is the aptitude package manager, if made to work, offers a lot of supporting administration of the software dependencies that quite frankly I don't want to have to deal with if I don't have to. |
| 16:08.24 | d1b | scratchme: correct. |
| 16:08.29 | caraconan | I'm not sure if it works well, because I can't ping from virtual router to tap0 device |
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| 16:08.51 | d1b | you might be able to use apt pining or compile the version from testing or unstable for stable. |
| 16:08.56 | \amethyst | scratchme: your best bet might be to build the 3.4 Debian package yourself, using the sources from unstable |
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| 16:09.04 | scratchme | I've done dpkg -i for some packages, and it's a pita having to manually unravel all the dependencies if you don't already have them lined up. |
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| 16:09.41 | Justin | scratchme: you're doing it wrong |
| 16:09.42 | jelly | scratchme: you could put all the .deb files in a local repo |
| 16:09.51 | scratchme | \amethyst, is there a good guide on this? I keep finding guides written as though you basically almost knew how to do it, and it's really just for the author's own benefit over being a real tutorial. |
| 16:09.55 | \amethyst | scratchme: looking at the build-dependencies, it looks like you'd need to backport ecj (the standalone compiler) first |
| 16:09.57 | jelly | scratchme: then install using apt(itude) |
| 16:09.59 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 16:09.59 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:10.26 | azeem_ | calling eclipse a "simple sid backport" might be overly optimistic |
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| 16:10.53 | themill | heh... "not a chance" would be the other way of looking at it. |
| 16:10.54 | \amethyst | yeah, 'simple' is probably wrong :) |
| 16:11.26 | \amethyst | oh |
| 16:11.30 | d1b | so not going to happen :P |
| 16:11.40 | \amethyst | ah, gcj-4.4-jdk isn't in etch either |
| 16:11.48 | brad_ | I removed /var/cache/apt/*.deb and /usr/share/man and /usr/share/doc and I'm only only 100mb lighter |
| 16:11.50 | caraconan | I've got installed 'uml-utilities' package, but it does'nt provides me uml_proxy_arp |
| 16:11.50 | \amethyst | yeah, you're probably out of luck |
| 16:11.52 | caraconan | Some help? |
| 16:12.00 | d1b | wait maybe, doesn't look to bad. |
| 16:12.05 | scratchme | To be quite honest, I'm looking at trying to do things that have the easiest repeatability factor. I'd like to use the fewest number of problem solving patterns possible for something as basic as installing common applications. |
| 16:12.09 | azeem_ | first 3.4 needs to transition to testing |
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| 16:12.30 | Justin | brad_: du -acx / | sort -n |
| 16:12.42 | d1b | scratchme: use testing ? / perhaps ubuntu would be easier... |
| 16:12.54 | scratchme | azeem_, out of curiosity, who performs testing for the stable branches? |
| 16:13.07 | sbyrne | With a fresh install of testing and an GeForce 9300 GE, the console goes black and locks when I start X. There are no errors in any logs about it. What should I try? |
| 16:13.23 | azeem_ | scratchme: "testing" is a version tag for Debian |
| 16:13.27 | azeem_ | I was not referring to QA |
| 16:13.44 | scratchme | d1b, ubuntu has some ups, but even with the headaches I've encountered, I do somewhat agree with the less fast-and-furious approach to the inclusion of latest/greatest as the baseline install. |
| 16:13.50 | \amethyst | scratchme: people who run the testing branch and report bugs |
| 16:14.03 | \amethyst | scratchme: ordinary users, developers, etc |
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| 16:14.29 | \amethyst | or people who run unstable and report bugs |
| 16:14.44 | d1b | scratchme: try backporting it via the !ssb method. it doesn't look impossible. |
| 16:14.58 | d1b | it looks pretty fine to me atm. |
| 16:15.34 | scratchme | d1b, I'll look at it for a while, and ask if I am confused. |
| 16:15.36 | \amethyst | d1b: you'd have to backport a lot more than just eclipse... like gcj for example |
| 16:15.44 | brad_ | /usr/share/consolefonts ? |
| 16:15.46 | d1b | \amethyst: yes i noticed. |
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| 16:16.00 | sbyrne | Is there something like the old xfree86config that will try to make a working config file? |
| 16:16.21 | scratchme | What's considered the most authoritative source for guides on how to fix/troubleshoot something related to Debian, specifically Lenny? |
| 16:16.56 | scratchme | I was considering contributing some things to it, for my own benefit mostly, but it may help build it up so people find fewer erroneous ones on google. |
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| 16:17.44 | scratchme | For example, I found one guide that said how to install sqldeveloper in a blog post, but he gave the wrong folder for the j2se path answer. |
| 16:17.49 | EagleRock | scratchme: wiki.debian.org? |
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| 16:22.10 | php_szg | hi there; I was googling for a long time to find a tutorial or some hints on how to rip an unencrypted dvd (from a directory) using cli tools |
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| 16:23.41 | php_szg | the solutions I found either involve using gui tools or are obsolete |
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| 16:24.02 | Justin | php_szg: try ripmake |
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| 16:24.06 | d1b | php_szg: cp -a ? |
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| 16:24.44 | php_szg | I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about that; I'd like to rip to a stream suitable for flv output |
| 16:25.17 | php_szg | (or I'm not perfectly familiar with the meaning of 'rip') |
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| 16:26.13 | scratchme | Wow, I managed to find the wiki page with a blurb why 3.4 isn't in yet. Tracing down all the possible dependencies related to a project is potentially quite involved. |
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| 16:26.35 | php_szg | Justin: I guess ripmake and transcode will do; thanks man |
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| 16:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | scratchme: 3.4 what? |
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| 16:28.49 | scratchme | jhutchins, sorry for the ambiguity. Eclipse 3.4 |
| 16:29.29 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, you were talking about it earlier. |
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| 16:30.15 | scratchme | jhutchins, right, but if you don't include a little context in each message, in high volume channels, it's easy to get lost. |
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| 16:33.28 | scratchme | So, taking a relatively current source package and making it work with an older debian is commonly called "backporting" or do I have my terms mixed up? |
| 16:34.05 | wHITEz0MBIE | is currently using ubuntu but thunking of making the switch |
| 16:34.36 | brad_ | I'm not going to be able to get it smaller than 250mb |
| 16:35.27 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, I noticed there's a fine line between the current stuff being too old to be what you want, and too new to be stable. |
| 16:36.29 | wHITEz0MBIE | scratchme, in regards to which do you mean? |
| 16:36.32 | scratchme | I was somewhat put off by the 9.10 release, but I was reading 9.04 was the last "good" version of Ubuntu. |
| 16:36.47 | wHITEz0MBIE | yeh im not on 9.1 |
| 16:36.55 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, supported packages. Without adding third party software, the OS is rather useless. |
| 16:37.02 | wHITEz0MBIE | jaunty is so good on my wind |
| 16:37.26 | wHITEz0MBIE | scratchme, you mean in ubuntu |
| 16:37.30 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, it's like having a concrete pad and no basket ball hoop, house, or even painted lines. Sometimes a blank slate can really be too blank. |
| 16:37.35 | HackeMate | hi, someone could tell me what could happen if i change my motherboard+processor Pentium4 for a i5 or o7? will need reinstall my debian? |
| 16:37.59 | wHITEz0MBIE | im still undecided about debian or goin to fedora however |
| 16:38.14 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, the past two statements were in regards to stability of supported packages. |
| 16:38.21 | EagleRock | HackeMate: it depends on the kernel you're running and if you've installed generic drivers along with your targeted drivers |
| 16:38.46 | HackeMate | i am using the stable version, 2.6 |
| 16:38.56 | HackeMate | 2.6.26-6-686 |
| 16:39.01 | EagleRock | hmm |
| 16:39.02 | HackeMate | sorry, 2-686 |
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| 16:39.21 | HackeMate | i installed the nvidia driver, that's all |
| 16:39.23 | EagleRock | HackeMate: you used the basic installer, right? not the expert installer? |
| 16:39.25 | HackeMate | everything else was by default |
| 16:39.29 | techouse | i'm having trouble giving hal the permission to mount a ntfs disk in kde4 on squeeze |
| 16:39.30 | HackeMate | yes, the basic installer |
| 16:39.36 | EagleRock | ok |
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| 16:39.52 | caraconan | Hi. When I ping from my pc to my virtual router (using GNS3) it replies the |
| 16:39.55 | EagleRock | honestly, I'm not sure if the debian installer defaults to installing generic drivers as well |
| 16:40.08 | caraconan | ARP broadcast message, but nothing else |
| 16:40.24 | caraconan | How can I test my bridge to know if it works well? |
| 16:40.35 | HackeMate | but it looks as i could be lucky, if i dont get a kernel panic i think i can handle it |
| 16:40.43 | wHITEz0MBIE | scratchme, are you saying debian is too blank a slate... |
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| 16:41.18 | EagleRock | HackeMate: if you kept the defaults, you shouldn't have a hard time getting it up and running |
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| 16:41.33 | EagleRock | the only thing you might need to change is your video driver if your other machine doesn't have nvidia graphics |
| 16:41.37 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, I'm saying depending on what programs you use Debian stable may be too old, whereas by the same token, a lot of Ubuntu's latest stable isn't really all that stable. |
| 16:42.43 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, and unless you just like fixing/testing stuff, the unstable stuff gets really hairy really fast. |
| 16:43.49 | wHITEz0MBIE | well that's what im finding scratchme , i feel as though most of what i;m doing is debian based and any core packages im using i would either prefer to be stable or not mind being experimental as long as i know that messing with a video driver or kernal isn't going to accidentally happen |
| 16:43.51 | HackeMate | EagleRock: okay, looks simple even for me, thank you -- i will remove the nvidia driver from the xorg.conf and start as first time |
| 16:44.50 | wHITEz0MBIE | are packages in fedora any different? |
| 16:45.05 | EagleRock | HackeMate: sounds good, good luck! |
| 16:45.24 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, I installed my video drivers right from NVidia, but otherwise, I've tried to keep almost everything else via the packages. I did install sqldeveloper by hand into the /usr/share/java folder just because I'm in a hurry right now, because I have to start working. |
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| 16:46.27 | wHITEz0MBIE | so is there a big difference in 3rd part/non free from debian to ubuntu |
| 16:46.59 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, I'm not really qualified to make that observation, maybe someone else will. |
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| 16:49.06 | wHITEz0MBIE | i;m just trying to gauge whether a shift in os is worth it.. are their benefits moving from ubuntu to debian apart of course package stability/age you mentioned before |
| 16:50.07 | techouse | can anyone here point me on how to fix hal auto-mounting a disk on squeeze under KDE 4.3.2? |
| 16:50.21 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, worth, IMO from a purely pragmatic standpoint, relies on how much you use various parts, and your system overall. However, generally speaking a working computer is often best just backed up regularly and fixed only when it breaks or needs change. |
| 16:50.26 | techouse | i get permission errors; i treid policykit fixing bit it doesn't work |
| 16:50.51 | wHITEz0MBIE | lets call it learning curve |
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| 16:51.38 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, IMO, none of it is really that easy to learn. Basically if you can't either make or find good searchable guides, you're in for a ride. |
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| 16:52.13 | arsen___ | how do i add bash to my .profile so that it starts everytime i ssh into my remote deb serv? |
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| 16:52.58 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, for example, I tried to reduce the size of an LVM partition. I thought it would be easier. In the later versions of Windows you can simply open disk manager and move the slider downward on the partition as long as there are no blocks used near the end of the partition. |
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| 16:53.10 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, when I got done, I just gave up for now. |
| 16:53.22 | EagleRock | arsen__: you should be able to change that in your user settings, you don't need to do that in .profile |
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| 16:53.42 | abrotman | arsen___: you set it as your shell? |
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| 16:53.50 | EagleRock | if you type finger <your_username> what does your shell come up as? |
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| 16:53.52 | scratchme | wHITEz0MBIE, also, I couldn't find any reliable information on how large the LVM mirror logs need to be in relation to the logical volume being mirrored. |
| 16:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | LVM is evil. |
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| 16:54.40 | EagleRock | jhutchins: what's wrong with LVM? |
| 16:54.47 | scratchme | I understand the basic premise of LVM and I like it. Some of the management tools are just a bit primitive still. |
| 16:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | EagleRock: Additonal point of failure, encourages unsafe practices. |
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| 16:55.47 | EagleRock | jhutchins: I agree about the point of failure, but what unsafe practices are you referring to? |
| 16:55.49 | arsen___ | my user settings? - i cannot do "finger uname" |
| 16:55.59 | arsen___ | id just like bash to be the default shell when loaded, currently it loads sh |
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| 16:57.22 | EagleRock | arsen__: usermod --shell /bin/bash <user> |
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| 16:58.05 | arsen___ | cant |
| 16:58.16 | EagleRock | arsen__: you need to be root to do it |
| 16:58.16 | arsen___ | but i can edit my .profile / .bash_profile / .bashrc etc |
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| 16:58.22 | arsen___ | yes, i cant. :p |
| 16:58.27 | EagleRock | ah |
| 16:58.56 | EagleRock | arsen__: see if chsh is installed |
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| 16:59.00 | EagleRock | if so, yo ushould be able to use that |
| 16:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | EagleRock: Resizing partitons without backup, spanning volumes. |
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| 17:01.32 | scratchme | Do you think it's worthwhile pursuing contacting the source maintainers for some tips on newbiefying a few of the applications? For example, until I learned that environment variables can be simply defined at the standard command prompt as name=value pairs, I was trying to use the "SET" command to set the value, more like a DOS environment. |
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| 17:02.00 | simonrvn | no, learn to use *NIX instead |
| 17:02.06 | scratchme | Seems like it might be worthwhile to mention that in the console help. It's fairly sparse. |
| 17:02.30 | EagleRock | arsen__: any luck with chsh? |
| 17:02.32 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: total nonsense. LVM promotes far better disk integrity because of the ability to add new devices as well as mirroring. |
| 17:02.46 | scratchme | simonrvn, at the command prompt you type stuff like: man set <-- No manual entry for set |
| 17:02.46 | arsen___ | no joy, seem to have it working tho |
| 17:03.03 | simonrvn | so? |
| 17:03.16 | scratchme | simonrvn, IMO, a system doesn't have to be obtuse anymore. There's sufficient capacity to not require users to memorize countless amounts of documentation. |
| 17:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I find conventional methods of adding new devices better practice. |
| 17:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: As far as mirroring goes, raid on software or cheap hardware is asking for trouble. |
| 17:03.48 | rgr | what is a conventinal method? Far more error proce. |
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| 17:04.07 | amphi | wonders how 'unlike DOS' constitutes being 'obtuse' |
| 17:04.10 | scratchme | simonrvn, no one's job is harmed because Joe nobody can admin his little Linux install without 2 years of trial/error hacking. |
| 17:04.14 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: yes you made that claim before but with zero evidence to back it up. Its used all over the place with a lot of success. |
| 17:04.42 | scratchme | amphi, I'm just pointing out that not everyone has the same background. Obvious, depends on your baseline of existing knowledge. |
| 17:04.43 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I don't know what you would consider evidence, since you're convinced otherwise. |
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| 17:05.21 | amphi | scratchme: that not everyone has the same background is hardly something that needs pointing out |
| 17:05.25 | rgr | evidence. You know : facts. Adding/removing devices from LVM is a piece of cake compared to the conventional way which might also require the risky prceoss of resizing partitions using a boot disk. |
| 17:05.30 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: For MySQL for instance it's a lot better to just replicate to a seperate server. |
| 17:05.36 | simonrvn | trolling is not going to get you help |
| 17:05.53 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: backing up the data for one app is totally different to mirroring. |
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| 17:06.27 | scratchme | amphi, I only pointed it out in relation to the statement that help/info is not needed, and just to simply, "know/learn xyz" is a debatable topic. |
| 17:06.37 | simonrvn | scratchme: it's called a shell. each one has a manual. 'nough said. |
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| 17:07.20 | rgr | scratchme: of course you are correct. Some people forget how long they took to get a modicum of knowledge and assume its easy for everyone to pick up immediately. It isn't of course. |
| 17:08.05 | EagleRock | jhutchins: IMHO, LVM is just another tool that admins can use to have flexibility of their storage...it's helped us plenty of times on systems where space requirements change |
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| 17:08.45 | rgr | EagleRock: LVM is used all over the place. It takes a lof the pain and risk out of disk management. |
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| 17:08.56 | scratchme | rgr, right, and I was just saying the ambiguity of the set command versus what it does in a different OS with a command line interface that a large number of people have some experience with. In any case, I my question was whether you thought the maintainers would be receptive to adding some information on where to find out how to set variables since the set command with no params is able to output all assigned variables. |
| 17:09.16 | EagleRock | rgr: exactly my point...I'd rather have LVM on a system where I have to resize /var than doing it conventionally |
| 17:09.46 | jhutchins_lt | EagleRock: So you'd do it live without a backup? |
| 17:09.53 | rgr | EagleRock: of course. jhutchins_lt seems to be confused between mirroring for disk fault tolerance and backing data up for later restore. Different things. |
| 17:10.00 | scratchme | rgr, it came up, because I tried this and got a "too sparse" assist on usage: set -? |
| 17:10.17 | et | rgr: well, you can do backups with disk mirroring |
| 17:10.18 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: where did he say that? |
| 17:10.26 | EagleRock | jhutchins_lt: not live, but LVM speeds up and simplifies the process even when offline on a boot disk or something |
| 17:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | If you've got a current backup, it's usually faster to repartition and restore. |
| 17:10.55 | et | rgr: add a third disk to the raid1, wait until it's synced, disconnect and you have a backup disc |
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| 17:11.16 | EagleRock | jhutchins_lt: that's debatable, but either method is valid for modifying the system |
| 17:11.24 | rgr | et: yes. But conceptually not done like that very often. rsync etc come into their own for backups. |
| 17:11.38 | TheJoe | Fed up with Pulse now |
| 17:11.53 | TheJoe | Is there a way to get simultaneous output from ALSA on hda-intel? |
| 17:12.26 | scratchme | EagleRock, is there a recommended way to resize an lvm logical volume for /home? I googled for a bit and found mention of the ex2fsck, resize2fs, and lvresize/lvreduce |
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| 17:12.56 | gniourf_gniourf_ | like this one? Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:13.02 | EagleRock | scratchme: when you say resize, do you mean reduce the size? |
| 17:13.16 | scratchme | EagleRock, most of the online guides show you how to extend a partition. Also, I ran into some logistical problems like /home is usually mounted. |
| 17:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | TheJoe: What do you mean by simultaneous output? |
| 17:13.21 | scratchme | EagleRock, yes, reduce. |
| 17:13.31 | TheJoe | jhutchins_lt: Audio output from more than one application at a time |
| 17:13.36 | cahoot | TheJoe: should work out of the box with alsaaware apps |
| 17:13.42 | jhutchins_lt | TheJoe: Works for me. |
| 17:13.45 | TheJoe | cahoot: Clearly not |
| 17:13.52 | cahoot | does so here |
| 17:14.00 | TheJoe | jhutchins_lt: It hasn't worked from the start for me, which is why I needed Pulse in the first place |
| 17:14.04 | EagleRock | scratchme: this is an ext3 partition? |
| 17:14.10 | scratchme | EagleRock, yes. |
| 17:14.22 | TheJoe | But now, no matter how many times I purge it and kill it and everything, it won't connect because it thinks I have 0.9.15 when 0.9.10 is actually installed |
| 17:14.27 | scratchme | EagleRock, it's an ext3 created from the Debian installer on an LVM. |
| 17:14.35 | cahoot | TheJoe: what gives if you run 2 or more instances of mplayer? |
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| 17:15.10 | EagleRock | scratchme: well, the first thing you'd need to do is reduce the ext3 partition, then you would need to shrink the logical volume the /home partition is set up on |
| 17:15.47 | EagleRock | here's an ext3 reduction tutorial |
| 17:15.47 | EagleRock | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 17:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | scratchme: Live resizers can fail, leaving the partition unusable. Since you have to do a backup anyway, it's pretty easy, and often faster, to just reformat and restore. Live resize can be extremely slow (like wait 'till tomorrow to see if it worked). |
| 17:16.19 | scratchme | EagleRock, how do you specify the ext3 parition location correctly? |
| 17:16.24 | geoaxis | aaron11: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
| 17:16.26 | TheJoe | cahoot: I don't know. But I got a Youtube video playing fine, but running Totem at the same time and trying to get sound won't work |
| 17:16.29 | TheJoe | No sound from Totem |
| 17:16.41 | scratchme | EagleRock, since it was in use, I restarted in single user mode, and did umount /home |
| 17:16.47 | TheJoe | Replace Youtube and Totem with any sound giving app you want, and there's my problem |
| 17:16.50 | cahoot | TheJoe: that I think is a problem with flash |
| 17:16.55 | EagleRock | scratchme: if you cat /etc/fstab, you can see where /home is located |
| 17:16.58 | TheJoe | cahoot: It worked when Pulse did |
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| 17:17.45 | scratchme | EagleRock, right, /dev/dm-4, but I was somewhat put off by the fact that fdisk -l reports it as not having a valid partition table. I wasn't sure if the tools would still work right to reduce/chk it. |
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| 17:18.55 | cahoot | TheJoe: wrt youtube I circumvent flash with mplayer |
| 17:19.23 | scratchme | jhutchins_lt, I can see where you're coming from. IMO, stability, and known time to complete can trump alternative methods, despite their compelling advantages. |
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| 17:19.56 | scratchme | jhutchins_lt, speaking of backups, what backup/restore pattern do you use? |
| 17:20.22 | scratchme | jhutchins_lt, as in app, schedule, media, etc. |
| 17:21.16 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d7196cffc |
| 17:21.29 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know why it is using eth4 for dhcp listing |
| 17:21.31 | EagleRock | scratchme: /dev/dm-4 is a device mapper file... you can try fdsiking /dev/mapper/<partition> |
| 17:21.33 | TheJoe | Ugh |
| 17:21.41 | tuxcrafter | can i force it to listen to eth2 only? |
| 17:21.54 | TheJoe | I completely remove PulseAudio, install PulseAudio 0.9.10 and paman says I'm using 0.9.15 |
| 17:21.59 | scratchme | EagleRock, is that a known method to work, or are you just guessing? |
| 17:21.59 | jhutchins | scratchme: For my own systems I'm currently in the process of developing a hot-swappable SATA backup pattern. |
| 17:22.11 | TheJoe | I don't even have the backports in my sources anymore so why the hell is it saying 0.9.15 |
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| 17:22.28 | EagleRock | scratchme: the procedure overall? it's a standard method for reducing ext3 partitions |
| 17:22.30 | jhutchins | scratchme: I run rdiff-backup, then tar the resulting directory to an external device. |
| 17:22.35 | EagleRock | as var as lvreduce, that's a standard method of working with LVM |
| 17:22.43 | EvilGenius | Is there anyway to install Nautlius in KDE ? Konyy realllly sucks |
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| 17:23.03 | jhutchins | scratchme: For my home system I've done manual backup of selected data to an external HD. |
| 17:23.14 | jelly | TheJoe: what do you mean by "I completely remove PulseAudio"? How exactly did you do that? Which Debian release are you running? |
| 17:23.25 | TheJoe | jelly: Purge. Lenny. |
| 17:23.34 | scratchme | jhutchins, that should work nicely. If you have two 5.25" bays, you can get upto 3x hotswap sata bays. With 3 bays, you can get 5 hotswap. |
| 17:23.39 | jelly | TheJoe: purged what, using which command? |
| 17:23.57 | scratchme | jhutchins, what app are you using? |
| 17:23.58 | TheJoe | jelly: apt-get --purge remove pulseaudio |
| 17:24.02 | TheJoe | I even did autoremove |
| 17:24.11 | jhutchins | scratchme: rdiff-backup, rsync, and tar. |
| 17:24.14 | TheJoe | No /etc/pulse remains |
| 17:24.16 | jhutchins | scratchme: And cron. |
| 17:24.16 | TheJoe | No .pulse remains |
| 17:24.25 | scratchme | EagleRock, I was referring to reducing an ext3 partition via the /dev/mapper location. |
| 17:24.30 | TheJoe | No /etc/init.d/pulseaudio - there is nothing. Nothing at all. So there should be no 0.9.15 |
| 17:24.40 | scratchme | jhutchins, what's your method to do a bare metal restore? |
| 17:25.07 | jelly | TheJoe: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libpulse\* \*pulseaudio\* |
| 17:25.09 | jhutchins | scratchme: I haven't really tested the server that's doing rdiff. For home, reinstall and restore is adequate. |
| 17:25.32 | EagleRock | scratchme: yes, that's the way you reference the partition inside of LVM |
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| 17:25.57 | jhutchins | For the office, I have a restorable image on an off-site drive, then restore to current from the latest data backup. |
| 17:26.00 | TheJoe | There's a libpulse?! |
| 17:26.02 | TheJoe | Doh |
| 17:26.07 | scratchme | jhutchins, right, but how do you actually perform the restore? It's one thing to fix a broken file, but bare metal often requires some process to put the base system back on, or at the very least do a system startup + initialize the disk. |
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| 17:26.19 | EagleRock | there are multiple paths to the logical volume, such as /dev/dmx, /dev/<vg>/<lv>, and /dev/mapper/<vg-lv> |
| 17:26.30 | jelly | TheJoe: when you use apt-get --purge remove in hopes of removing every trace of a multiple-package subsyste, you should try naming the one *-common or lib* package that all the others depend upon |
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| 17:26.59 | jhutchins | scratchme: For home, like I said, it would be a clean install then restore data, for the office it would be to restore the files to the drive and reboot. |
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| 17:27.02 | EagleRock | but fdisk can't read the lvm partition, that's why it says it doesn't have a valid partition table |
| 17:27.08 | scratchme | EagleRock, well, I noticed not all of those work with all tools is why I asked. For example, /dev/disk/by-uuid/ doesn't work with some stuff because they're links. |
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| 17:27.28 | jhutchins | scratchme: restore from backup, run grub, reboot. |
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| 17:27.40 | scratchme | jhutchins, so, you use a netinst disk use apt/aptitude to install the restore app, and then perform a command line restore? |
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| 17:28.21 | scratchme | jhutchins, how do partitions play out in your procedure? |
| 17:28.22 | jhutchins | scratchme: No, boot a live CD and restore with that. |
| 17:28.25 | jelly | TheJoe: eg. to purge dovecot, one would do something like apt-get --purge remove dovecot-common. But for installing it, one would install the "dovecot" metapackage (or, say, dovecot-imapd for just IMAP server) |
| 17:28.51 | jhutchins | scratchme: I prefer a single system partition. Anything else has left me with space on the wrong partition and out of space somewhere else. |
| 17:28.57 | ugly | does gnome read ~/.xsession or what's the best way to run a console command when a user starts a session? |
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| 17:29.30 | scratchme | jhutchins, that's exactly why I'm using LVM right now. Although, I may migrate back to a single volume partition. |
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| 17:30.17 | scratchme | jhutchins, for example the net install disk can be told to wipe all the partitions except /home for a reinstall. |
| 17:30.18 | jhutchins | scratchme: One of the reasons I prefer that is that I don't need LVM. Also, since I have a good backup of /home, I can just do a clean install and have /home back from the backup. |
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| 17:30.53 | ugly | or rather, gdm, I suppose |
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| 17:31.07 | scratchme | jhutchins, if you had say 4x320GB, 1x500GB, and 1x1TB how would you organize that in your existing ideals? |
| 17:31.14 | jhutchins | I can also back up my package list and use that for the reinstall, though I haven't practiced that yet. |
| 17:32.17 | jhutchins | scratchme: Probably use the TB as the system/data disk, the 500 as a long-term storage for backup image(s), and the 4x320 for incremental/compressed backups. |
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| 17:33.05 | MikePer | Hello. I git a strange problem, I try to install debian on an IBM thinkcentre M51, I have a DVD-ROM on PATA and a SATA drive. If I plug in the sata drive the dvd is handled by the sr driver, if I unplug the sata drive the dvd is hda. |
| 17:33.06 | jhutchins | I might look for a _good_ ($350+) RAID controller for the 320's, but frankly they're pretty much obsolete by now. |
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| 17:33.22 | scratchme | jhutchins, you wouldn't try to use any of the disks in unison for increased disk i/o? |
| 17:33.32 | jelly | unison? |
| 17:33.49 | scratchme | jelly, like RAID or chopping up your mount points. |
| 17:33.58 | jhutchins | scratchme: No, I wouldn't, I don't need it, and like I said, a controller that's going to be reliable and give me any _real_ I/O improvement is going to be expensive. |
| 17:34.04 | MikePer | And the problem is that if the dvd is handled by sr I get sr sense key errors and unreadable errors |
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| 17:34.22 | jelly | scratchme: "like"? |
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| 17:35.01 | scratchme | jhutchins, in Windows environments, while not without caveats, the fake/raid provided by onboard systems have netted some advantage using RAID 0/RAID 10. |
| 17:35.04 | jelly | !unison |
| 17:35.05 | dpkg | methinks unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 17:35.12 | jhutchins | I do know people who use RAID and know what they're doing, they have expensive controllers and use multi-site mirroring. |
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| 17:35.14 | jelly | that's one unison I know about |
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| 17:36.22 | EvilGenius | I'm considering upgrading KDE 3.5 to 4.3.. are there any major issues? |
| 17:36.38 | jhutchins | scratchme: I respect and concur with the opinion of some pretty experienced people who say that MB/Software RAID doesn't yeild meaningful I/O improvements in real life. You can set it up to fake a benchmark, but it doesn't really do much good, as the overhead overcomes the theoretical advantages. |
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| 17:37.03 | elli222 | EvilGenius, IMO, KDE 4 is horrible... |
| 17:37.18 | jelly | EvilGenius: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:37.36 | EvilGenius | lenny... |
| 17:37.39 | jhutchins | elli222: I hear rumors that 4.3-4.4 are actually usable, if you have reasonably new hardware. |
| 17:38.08 | raz | jhutchins: hardware raid makes little sense nowadays outside of dedicated boxes |
| 17:38.22 | jelly | jhutchins: one doesn't expect i/o improvements from soft raid 5 or 6 as much as resistence to single device failure |
| 17:38.23 | jhutchins | raz: I'd agree with that statement. |
| 17:38.28 | scratchme | jhutchins, right. There are limitations to what the SATA drive can realistically output. It won't handle near the i/o of a server grade drive, but simplistic RAID patterns like RAID 0/1 are well within the ability to do via software w/o over burdening the CPU, considering I/O heavy operations tend to just leave the CPU idle anyway. |
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| 17:39.12 | raz | scratchme: you can not overburden a current cpu with raid |
| 17:39.21 | raz | at most you'll have half a core busy |
| 17:39.22 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all ... I have a problem with a network interface in a Dell PowerEdge with two network interfaces ... the one connected to the WAN is not working correctly, after some time it goes down and my client needs to restart the server to get it up again |
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| 17:39.49 | jhutchins | scratchme: I understand that it's theoretically possible. What I'm saying is I've seen good evidence that in real life it doesn't actually work, and I'm not the only one who says so. |
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| 17:40.12 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: what does dmesg or /var/log/kern.log look like at the time the link goes down? |
| 17:40.24 | MrTorque | how do i create a mount point for an usb-device in fstab? |
| 17:40.44 | jhutchins | scratchme: There are benchmarks that will show an improvement - but there are others that will show a loss. |
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| 17:41.10 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, let me check ... but i didn't find anything strange |
| 17:41.17 | jelly | MrTorque: a simple way to do it is to use LABEL= or UUID= of the filesystem instead of the device node which can change |
| 17:41.30 | scratchme | jhutchins, from anecdotal testing, I've observed speed-ups in operations such as loading development tools and such large apps that take a fair time to open. |
| 17:41.34 | elli222 | jhutchins, i have awesome hardware (quad core phenom and GTX280), GTK is very responsive, X11 is crazyfast, QT 3 is fine, QT4 feels like its got a little weight on it, thats one app, let alone a DE. Thats also why i use gnome :P |
| 17:41.38 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: one would at the very least expect a link down message. |
| 17:41.52 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: uname -r? |
| 17:41.56 | jhutchins | scratchme: In my own experience, I've had more controllers and arrays fail than drives. I'll admit that that's not what other people have seen. |
| 17:42.10 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, 190.210.75.185 |
| 17:42.12 | TheCoffeMaker | ;P |
| 17:42.17 | EvilGenius | does Thunar work ok with KDE (lenny) i need some quick n light filemanager.. |
| 17:42.18 | TheCoffeMaker | airry |
| 17:42.31 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:42.36 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: that's not the output of uname -r, and I'm not your Nagios |
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| 17:42.54 | scratchme | jhutchins, I have had some drives fail while in RAID and be able to recover them w/o going back to my backups. Overall I've not had an alarming number of disk failures. |
| 17:42.59 | elli222 | EvilGenius, thuar is independant of any DE. it only uses GTK AFAIK |
| 17:43.03 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, sorry was a strange typo |
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| 17:43.23 | EvilGenius | well apt-getting it now.. so will know in a bit |
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| 17:43.33 | scratchme | jhutchins, however, your statement about controllers is what appeals to me about software raid. It's somewhat hardware agnostic. |
| 17:43.34 | jhutchins | I've seen a significant number of SATA arrays fail because the array data was corrupted. |
| 17:43.38 | MrTorque | jelly: can different UUIDs have the same mount-point?? |
| 17:44.02 | jelly | I bet it was. Which driver is used by your card, TheCoffeMaker? How often does this happen (can you reproduce it reliably)? |
| 17:44.33 | scratchme | jhutchins, using consumer drives in a raid has caveats such as longer recovery time for extended recovery routines attempting to re-read a bad spot. Depending on the raid system, the drive could be viewed as bad, and fall out of the array. |
| 17:44.35 | jhutchins | scratchme: Effectively, that's what happened with the controller failures too - left the arrays unrecoverable. |
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| 17:44.40 | elli222 | hmm, why isn't timidity built against libao in debian? that way it can have pulseaudio support :V |
| 17:44.56 | EvilGenius | elli222, seems to be working fine. |
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| 17:45.06 | jelly | MrTorque: that wouldn't be advisable; I don't know whether you lose the ability to do shorthand "mount /mount/point" in that case |
| 17:45.25 | pigdude | How can I get the bundled exim server to work? I send a letter with the mail command, but there's nothing in any of my mail logs and the mail was never delivered. I have no dead.letter file either in the sender's directory |
| 17:45.37 | jhutchins | scratchme: Try to pin down a hardware vendor as to what actually makes "server" hardware different from "desktop" hardware. I know some of the differences, but I've never gotten anything but meaningless salesspeak from the vendors. |
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| 17:45.37 | jelly | MrTorque: what happens when more than one matching device is connnected at the same time? |
| 17:45.45 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, I can't reproduce it, and it happends erratically |
| 17:45.47 | scratchme | jhutchins, in the long run, I will likely switch to higher speed medium like what is today high end SSD, but likely become mid-stream, using large cheap disk for backup storage. |
| 17:46.24 | magyar_ | hi, if i replace the main NIC on a lenny server that runs ssh, do i need to regenerate the ssl keys? |
| 17:46.44 | jhutchins | scratchme: Storage architecture is changing pretty drastically over the next 3-5 years. |
| 17:47.03 | jhutchins | magyar_: No, ssh/ssl does not use the MAC. |
| 17:47.09 | scratchme | jhutchins, that's because sales people man the front lines. However, there are some specific identifiers. For one, server hardware usually is spec'd to be abandoned for long periods of time, and often equipped with more redundant cooling, and power supplies. Also, server mainboards support ECC Registered/Buffered memory. |
| 17:47.10 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: _if_ it's not a hardware or network issue, a dumb measure one could take is to blindly upgrade to a newer kernel and hope it goes away. There is 2.6.30 in backports (/msg dpkg bpo). |
| 17:47.21 | jelly | Judd: where are you |
| 17:47.21 | judd | jelly: Error: "where" is not a valid command. |
| 17:47.24 | MrTorque | jelly: this case will never be. |
| 17:47.26 | jelly | Judd: kernels |
| 17:47.27 | judd | jelly: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 17:47.33 | jelly | MrTorque: famous last words |
| 17:47.47 | jhutchins | scratchme: Yeah, like I said, I can tell the difference, but what I can't get is an answer to give to a PHB who wants to get a refurb dell from MicroCenter. |
| 17:47.47 | scratchme | jhutchins, also in today's servers, remote KVM is often an option or built-in. |
| 17:47.50 | themill | glares at the kernel team again |
| 17:47.52 | jelly | MrTorque: you can still use the same label on all of them ;-) |
| 17:47.58 | pigdude | eh postfix |
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| 17:48.02 | MrTorque | jelly: i do create usb-pendrives with key-files on them. i do want 2 usb-drives in case of damage at the first one... |
| 17:48.05 | mavhc | some people say there's a lot less shared IRQ lines or something on servers, no idea if that's true, or matters |
| 17:48.11 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, my guess is that it can be a problem related to power saving |
| 17:48.26 | magyar_ | jhutchins, thank you |
| 17:48.37 | jhutchins | scratchme: I have had to build business critical systems on Parallels VM's running on Mac Mini's. |
| 17:48.41 | MrTorque | jelly: for unlocking the system, you only need one pendrive. the other one will never be in the server... |
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| 17:49.34 | jelly | MrTorque: well then, what stops you from using identical images on both. Thus, same UUID (_and_ same LABEL) |
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| 17:49.45 | scratchme | jhutchins, that's pretty humorous ;) |
| 17:50.00 | MrTorque | jelly: UUID is device-dependent, isnt it? |
| 17:50.08 | MrTorque | other stick, oter uuid?? |
| 17:50.13 | MrTorque | s/oter/other |
| 17:50.26 | jelly | MrTorque: no, it's a property of the filesystem on the device. |
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| 17:50.32 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly, the module is tg3 |
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| 17:50.59 | jhutchins | Actually, multiple devices can have the same mount point and still automount. The last device mounted will be the only effectively mounted device (as long as nothing goes wrong). |
| 17:51.15 | MrTorque | jelly: so i can set the uuid by hand? |
| 17:51.17 | jelly | TheCoffeMaker: I guess you could dig thru kernel changelogs and look for your symptoms |
| 17:51.28 | TheCoffeMaker | http://pastebin.com/d29084678 |
| 17:51.33 | jhutchins | scratchme: I'm happy not to be working there any more. |
| 17:51.55 | TheCoffeMaker | there is the syslog messages when the interfaces are being detected |
| 17:52.03 | jelly | MrTorque: that too. Man tune2fs if you're going to use an ext2/3/4 filesystem on the keys |
| 17:52.10 | TheCoffeMaker | I'm searching for an error |
| 17:52.12 | jhutchins | I have to go put blankets on the horses - it's 20F and falling. Later! |
| 17:52.32 | jelly | aw man, I wish I had horses |
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| 17:53.08 | scratchme | jelly, do you also wish you had horse poop? |
| 17:53.14 | scratchme | jelly, they're a package deal ;) |
| 17:53.17 | jelly | scratchme: I know. |
| 17:53.28 | scratchme | jelly, no pun intended. |
| 17:53.36 | mon8 | im trying to get suspend/resume happening, running 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686, i have acpid and acpi-support installed. /usr/bin/acpi_listen works on the lid button for example. i have /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-acpi. kinda lost on how to suspend to disk/ram tho, any advice? |
| 17:53.54 | jelly | eh, I didn't catch any pun anyway |
| 17:54.04 | jelly | ah. Package. |
| 17:54.30 | jelly | !nopony me |
| 17:54.30 | dpkg | jelly: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 17:55.08 | amphi | mon8: try uswsusp perhaps |
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| 17:56.12 | mon8 | amphi: k ill try that thanks |
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| 17:59.30 | mon8 | amphi: wow it worked,,, thanks :D |
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| 18:00.56 | gnusar | i just installed ubuntustudio but did not let this partitions grub manager to be in MBR.. can i now configure my debian's grub to search for existing OS so i can boot it? |
| 18:01.24 | amphi | mon8: good-oh |
| 18:01.28 | abrotman | use grub2+os-prober ? |
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| 18:02.21 | gnusar | is there a gui for that or do i have to google the commands? |
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| 18:02.44 | Tw33k^ | gnusar: the answer to that question is almost always google the commands |
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| 18:02.55 | gnusar | :-> |
| 18:02.57 | Teaboy`work | or real the man |
| 18:03.01 | Teaboy`work | read* |
| 18:06.43 | gnusar | lovely, i think my ubuntustudio version is ext4 which my debian does not know, is that possible? |
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| 18:07.31 | scratchme | Thanks folks. It's been engaging. |
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| 18:10.05 | joseph__ | hi, I am under Ubuntu and I would like to move to Debian, without losing my Tomboy and Evolution data |
| 18:10.23 | joseph__ | I have put my home folder on a different partition |
| 18:10.34 | joseph__ | can I just make a backup of .tomboy and .evolution and use use them in the home folder of Debian, i.e., will Debian "use" them the same way as Ubuntu does? |
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| 18:12.01 | feeernando | hi! |
| 18:12.16 | mns | joseph__, its not Debian that uses them, but Tomboy and Evolution the applications which use them, hence as long as you install them, you should be fine, at least in theory anyway. |
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| 18:12.30 | feeernando | weeeeiii |
| 18:12.31 | joseph__ | I see |
| 18:12.47 | feeernando | I LOVE WINDOWS |
| 18:12.53 | feeernando | ^^ |
| 18:13.03 | gnusar | brain damage? |
| 18:13.07 | gnusar | (: |
| 18:13.07 | feeernando | yes |
| 18:13.21 | adaro | Gee that was funny |
| 18:13.33 | feeernando | ooouuu yeaaah |
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| 18:13.56 | joseph__ | and will the Debian installer offer me the choice of storing the home folder on a different partition, just like Ubuntu did (karmic) |
| 18:13.59 | joseph__ | ? |
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| 18:14.12 | feeernando | exit |
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| 18:14.26 | adaro | Lol |
| 18:14.30 | cahoot | joseph__: depending in you choices you have full control |
| 18:14.45 | cahoot | meh on your |
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| 18:14.53 | alicia | hello |
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| 18:15.28 | joseph__ | OK |
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| 18:16.37 | joseph__ | it seems doable then |
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| 18:17.04 | noronha | tag |
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| 18:20.31 | gawk | So a quick noob question: I have been trying to get bitchx installed but I am not sure about the repository I am missing. I accidentally added an ubuntu multiverse repo before I read debian doesn't have such things |
| 18:21.06 | themill | !bitchx |
| 18:21.07 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users who can ask me about <bitchxignore>. |
| 18:22.03 | gawk | heh, thanks themill |
| 18:22.29 | abrotman | gawk: and don't add ubuntu repos to Debian |
| 18:22.37 | mns | !weechat |
| 18:22.38 | dpkg | WeeChat is a light and extensible cross-platform <IRC> client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. http://weechat.org/files/doc/weechat_faq.en.html http://weechat.org/ #weechat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:22.49 | gawk | I have been using irssi, and need a light client to run via remote shell, friends have been recommending bitchx |
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| 18:22.59 | donatas | Hi. Does anyone know how to fix this problem ? I've got error the missing module, but it's seems to be installed. WTF ? http://p.defau.lt/?Do3bUQ0FxCyta9qjm3Clug |
| 18:23.03 | joseph__ | thanks guys |
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| 18:23.19 | mns | gawk, I use irssi remotely, its light enough. |
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| 18:24.09 | XLV | gawk, use an irc bouncer, and any gui client you like on whatever system you choose to connect to it at any time |
| 18:24.17 | XLV | gawk, znc eg |
| 18:24.27 | ircDon | Having created a ~/.menu/package file as per http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch6.html I ran update-menus but my new entry does not appear. Any suggestions? |
| 18:24.34 | gawk | mns, yes, I was just hoping to get something with more of an emphasis on the GUI. I know I am not running irssi to its full extent because I keep each network in its own screen window. I keep on accidentally ignoring people |
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| 18:25.14 | abrotman | gawk: your friends might not be so smart .. bitchx is dead |
| 18:25.35 | gawk | lol |
| 18:26.02 | gawk | XLV: would you recommend znc above PsyBNC? |
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| 18:26.53 | toolz | anyone who can help me filter such a flood? |
| 18:26.54 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/m773817c0 |
| 18:27.27 | XLV | gawk, idk, i suppose both are good, try them and see for yourself |
| 18:28.16 | sepult | diese säcke grrr, die sinn alle ok !!! |
| 18:28.23 | sepult | lol |
| 18:28.59 | Tw33k^ | irssi ftw |
| 18:29.07 | sepult | sack == service ack ? acknowledgement ? |
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| 18:31.44 | GattoDiSchroding | hi |
| 18:32.01 | pirx | hi! how can i see which are the newest packages available for debian 4.0? |
| 18:32.37 | ircDon | I can see that ~/.config/openbox/debian-menu.xml has my new entry from ~/.menu/package but the OpenBox menu still doesn't include it in the list. |
| 18:33.07 | pirx | i have a package (slony1-bin) installed, and i want to see to which version it could be upgraded if i did a 'apt-get update' |
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| 18:33.21 | pirx | and upgraded it |
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| 18:33.41 | Justin | pirx: apt-get upgrade -s ? |
| 18:33.41 | GattoDiSchroding | someone managed to run liquidweather with kde4 on testing?? |
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| 18:36.48 | jelly | pirx: also, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 18:36.57 | GattoDiSchroding | or you know if you can run kweather with meteorological services other than the default? |
| 18:37.08 | mns | I've got iceweasel set to always start with the tabs and webpages from the previous session. Since upgrading to 3.5.5, it doesn't seem to be working. I always get a single tab with the "about:" page on it. Anyone else experience this ? I tried filling a bug report but doesn't look like it went through. |
| 18:37.16 | pirx | Justin: can i upgrade (simulate) just one specific package? i tried on my workstation and it seemed to upgrade (only simulation) lots of different packages |
| 18:37.28 | jelly | GattoDiSchroding: sounds more like a question for #kde |
| 18:38.19 | GattoDiSchroding | the first question is a debian's problem i think |
| 18:38.30 | jelly | GattoDiSchroding: (the latter I mean, obviously running foo on debian testing isn't for them) |
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| 18:38.44 | pirx | jelly: candidate is what it would upgrade to, right? |
| 18:39.08 | jelly | pirx: right |
| 18:39.12 | craigevil | GattoDiSchroding: probably get more help with kde in #debian-kde or #kde |
| 18:39.34 | abrotman | GattoDiSchroding: BTS ? |
| 18:39.35 | GattoDiSchroding | ok, ty |
| 18:39.44 | GattoDiSchroding | BTS? |
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| 18:41.32 | jelly | !bts |
| 18:41.32 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 18:41.51 | o_ | mns: wtm |
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| 18:42.18 | o_ | mns: err, work for me |
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| 19:05.38 | toolz | anyone? |
| 19:05.54 | codingrobot | is it possible to upgrade the metadata format of mdraid from 0.9 to 1.0? |
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| 19:07.41 | php_szg | I assume tar xzf <filename> just pipes the contents of the file through gunzip first, doesn't it? |
| 19:08.06 | php_szg | toolz: do you have the chance to install snort? |
| 19:09.16 | greycat | php_szg: yes, it calls either gzip -dc or gunzip, not sure exactly which. |
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| 19:10.35 | php_szg | greycat: then why does it bail out with a 'This does not look like a tar archive' error if I try that and works just fine if I gunzip/untar it? |
| 19:11.54 | toolz | php_szg, I can install whatever it needs to stop this crap |
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| 19:13.30 | toolz | php_szg installed snort. |
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| 19:17.53 | JaneDoe | is there somebod knowledgeable with distros here? |
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| 19:19.36 | greycat | !ask |
| 19:19.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:20.04 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: http://tarcanfel.org/gallery/main.php/v/horses/ |
| 19:20.11 | jhutchins_lt | scratchme: I am a very lucky man. |
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| 19:21.40 | JaneDoe | i am trying to find a server distro. |
| 19:22.18 | JaneDoe | with server distro, i mean a server distro. not half-ass baked, sound, multimedia, wifi ridden distro. any ideas? |
| 19:22.19 | greycat | Debian works well. |
| 19:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | toolz: Kill whatever's on 27015 |
| 19:22.49 | JaneDoe | greycat, i was using debian so long ago. |
| 19:23.16 | JaneDoe | basically, i do things manually. but this is getting tired. |
| 19:23.21 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: After a lot of looking around I'm back to Debian. |
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| 19:23.34 | greycat | What are you tired of? |
| 19:23.43 | jelly | JaneDoe: I've been using it for some 13 years now. What are the things you don't want to do manually any more? |
| 19:23.48 | JaneDoe | i am tired of doing everything by hand. |
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| 19:23.55 | jelly | everything? |
| 19:24.10 | JaneDoe | i am just trying to run a server. |
| 19:24.38 | jelly | JaneDoe: try being more concise and less trollish. |
| 19:24.46 | JaneDoe | a server means a server. it does not mean some distro with wifi/cups/pulseaudio/multimedia/X, god-knows what libraries hardcoded everywhere. |
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| 19:25.16 | greycat | I run plenty of Debian machines without wifi, cups, pulseaudio, multimedia, or X. |
| 19:25.23 | jelly | "what are the exact issues you had with debian in the past" |
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| 19:25.59 | JaneDoe | jelly: this is not debian specific. i didn not have issues in the past with debian. i used slack, debian and redhat back in days. |
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| 19:26.10 | JaneDoe | i am just trying to find a server distro. |
| 19:26.23 | jelly | JaneDoe: you still haven't specified what "this" was. |
| 19:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: Debian, Ubuntu LTS, RHEL/CentOS, SuSE. |
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| 19:26.54 | JaneDoe | RHEL/CentOS is definitely nothing but a server OS. |
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| 19:27.03 | JaneDoe | from a security perspective. |
| 19:27.18 | jelly | hates trolls. |
| 19:27.19 | JaneDoe | I tried rHEL 5.4 and it required too much manual work. |
| 19:27.20 | poisonbit | ? |
| 19:27.54 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: I have not tried Ubuntu LTS for a server, I think SuSE would probably seem excessive to you, and I know some very successful RH desktops, but my personal choice is Debian. |
| 19:27.57 | JaneDoe | what i am looking for is, something lean and mean. |
| 19:27.57 | toolz | jhutchins_lt, what?! no. I run services on that port. |
| 19:28.18 | toolz | jhutchins_lt, I just want to stop getting those packets on it, like in that log |
| 19:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | toolz: That appears to be the port they're trying to connect to. I may be misreading your dump. |
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| 19:28.36 | toolz | yeah thats the port |
| 19:28.37 | jhutchins_lt | toolz: What are you using for a firewall? |
| 19:28.48 | toolz | fome iptables rules |
| 19:28.56 | toolz | I have to keep the port open I run gameservers on it |
| 19:29.03 | toolz | but I want to protect them against such packets |
| 19:29.04 | JaneDoe | so guys, what is the common concensus on servers? |
| 19:29.10 | greycat | JaneDoe: Debian. |
| 19:29.17 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, installing a base debian, without selecting any "task" in the installer, that is a good start point. |
| 19:29.18 | JaneDoe | greycat: thanks. |
| 19:29.20 | greycat | Unsurprising, since you asked in #debian. |
| 19:29.20 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 19:29.20 | dpkg | debianlove is probably the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 19:29.26 | jhutchins_lt | toolz: If you've run gameservers on it, you're going to get floods. I would suggest a seperate firewall, or tightening the one you have. |
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| 19:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | toolz: I would suggest you look at the "throttle" directive, that should help a lot. |
| 19:30.59 | JaneDoe | greycat: even in base install, does debian come hardcoded with multimedia/audio/printer/X libraries? |
| 19:31.21 | toolz | Im not goot at firewalls |
| 19:31.30 | toolz | is there any zend optimizer package on debian? |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | Not if you do a net install and then skip over the "Task" selection entirely. |
| 19:31.43 | poisonbit | http://imagebin.org/75474 |
| 19:31.57 | greycat | Which is what most of the #debian regulars do, I suspect. |
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| 19:32.31 | greycat | I'm not 100% sure what you mean by 'hardcoded'. |
| 19:32.37 | dutchfish | JaneDoe, the really smart decision for a server distro should be the eas eof the packagemanager and the stability of that system ;) |
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| 19:32.57 | greycat | I'd say ease of the package manager is WAY down the priority list, but that's just me. |
| 19:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I suspect he means unreasonable dependencies by server packages on non-server stuff. |
| 19:33.42 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, yep, and more of that kind |
| 19:33.47 | poisonbit | preseed++ for server deployments |
| 19:33.51 | greycat | If you do a net install and then (say) "apt-get install ssh apache2" then you have a web server. |
| 19:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Having run servers since before package managers auto-resolved, I've gotta say it's pretty far down my list too. |
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| 19:35.03 | simonrvn | having mc and vim installed is nice to have though |
| 19:35.12 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, sure, nut he asked specifically to cut down excessive work, in my humble opinion thats what a good packagemanager does. |
| 19:35.19 | dutchfish | s/nut/but |
| 19:35.31 | simonrvn | (i guess that would qualify as 'reasonable') |
| 19:35.46 | JaneDoe | dutchfish: I don't have a problem with package manager. i am running a redhat based system with 170 rpms. i dont have much that needs updating. i was shocked to find default install came with 1200 rpms! |
| 19:36.44 | dutchfish | JaneDoe, yes, i have the same expirience and yes, debian's package manager does cut to the chees emost of the time |
| 19:37.06 | Arrowmaster | JaneDoe: i always use the non graphical expert install from a netinst cd and by default i think the only thing selected for tasks is base system which you can even disable to have a really bare bone system with just the essentials to run |
| 19:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: btdt, I find Debian reasonable from that standpoint, but the only way to know if you will be happy with it is to try it. |
| 19:37.14 | dutchfish | but thats just my personal opinion |
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| 19:38.16 | Arrowmaster | ssh server is now one of the tasks you can select during install which is nice, no need to have to install it after first boot |
| 19:38.28 | simonrvn | 'cut to the chase' |
| 19:38.39 | dutchfish | simonrvn, thanks |
| 19:38.45 | simonrvn | np :) |
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| 19:40.09 | JaneDoe | the problem is... doing a text install is not sufficient to get rid of these libraries... for example, sound libraries are compiled to everything. so does printer libraries. |
| 19:40.20 | JaneDoe | i have hard time understanding what sound doing in a server. |
| 19:40.35 | greycat | There are no sound or printer libraries installed from a net install + "apt-get install ssh apache2". |
| 19:40.52 | JaneDoe | you will have to wait until you get bitten in the ass by pulseaudio remote root exploits i guess. |
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| 19:41.03 | greycat | I suggest avoiding the "tasks" you're given during installation. Most of those install a huge number of things. |
| 19:41.34 | JaneDoe | greycat: what do you mean by tasks? |
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| 19:42.43 | simonrvn | tasksel. i'm betting you didn't uncheck 'desktop'. |
| 19:42.50 | greycat | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software |
| 19:42.50 | Arrowmaster | its one of the very last things during the install, its stuff like desktop enviroment, laptop, file server, mail server |
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| 19:43.40 | Arrowmaster | openssh server, which i suggest to always enable unless you have a reason for not wanting remote access |
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| 19:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: I think you don't know what you're talking about. I've built several debian systems lately. I had to install cups manually on my laptop. I don't have any sound or graphics libraries on my file server, although I do on my ltsp system. |
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| 19:46.55 | Arrowmaster | i had to do a quick install to get grub1 written to the mbr before doing the install im using right now (installer bug with not letting me select grub1 while using ext4, but i required grub1 for other things not supported in grub2) and i unselected everything in that quick install, it was only a few hundred megabytes total size, it had absolutely nothing extra |
| 19:47.08 | JaneDoe | jhutchins: I know exactly what i am talking about. that is why none of my servers have been compromised last 14 years. i am just tired of doing things manually. i want to go for a distro and feel secure. RHEL with alsa pulseaudio printer wifi libraries installed on a minimal server is not doing it for me. why do i need sound on a server? or printer drivers on a remote datacenter server? fine, you have have a laptop, use it. but what is it doing on a server? |
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| 19:47.46 | dutchfish | JaneDoe, true |
| 19:47.49 | poisonbit | http://paste.debian.net/53995/ <--- what you get if no task such as "standard" is selected in the installer |
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| 19:48.30 | greycat | Bitching about Red Hat in #debian isn't productive. |
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| 19:48.42 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: I started w/ RH 2.2,k? I'm not arguing with your premise, but it's pointless to complain about redhat here. If you want help or advice on Debian, great. |
| 19:48.52 | Arrowmaster | poisonbit: i dont think debian-multimedia-keyring comes on the installer |
| 19:49.03 | poisonbit | ops :) |
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| 19:49.21 | poisonbit | Arrowmaster, a better command to get that information ? |
| 19:49.26 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 19:49.41 | poisonbit | something better that | awk blah |
| 19:49.47 | dutchfish | JaneDoe, but, there is no magic wand, but there are more comfortable ways, using those rpm based ones isnt it (again my personal opinion), my prio's and in that order: stability, security, performance, ease of install, ease of maintainance. |
| 19:49.58 | poisonbit | maybe tasksel or something i don't remember |
| 19:50.21 | JaneDoe | greycat: it is not only RHEL. I am tired of trying distros only to find out that they are all the same. it is time consuming. that is why i am asking if someone required something similiar... basically if someone EVER ran a security-concious server with current distros. |
| 19:50.45 | greycat | JaneDoe: well, we've told you how to achieve your goal using Debian. |
| 19:50.47 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, time consuming -> script |
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| 19:51.03 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: We've been pretty clear in our replies. See for yourself, only you can tell if it meets your standards. Railing about other distros here is not productive. |
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| 19:51.19 | jelly | it's not rocket science not to do a default install with RHEL, either |
| 19:51.33 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: that looks good! many thanks. i think i will give it a try. |
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| 19:51.55 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Yeah, built 200+ over the last couple of years. Mostly CentOS, afew RH. |
| 19:51.56 | bgy | hi |
| 19:51.58 | bgy | Can someone tell me why `find -size 0c` will only work with ascii not unicode files ?! |
| 19:52.01 | JaneDoe | jelly: i dont do default of anything. the bare minimum RPMS you get go down on redhat is 780. |
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| 19:52.24 | greycat | bgy: um, if the file is 0 bytes, it's got neither ASCII nor Unicode nor any other content. |
| 19:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | JaneDoe: We really don't care about Dead Rat. |
| 19:53.15 | jelly | JaneDoe: rpm -qa |wc -l = 619, on an ISP mail storage machine with RHEL5. |
| 19:53.24 | bgy | greycat, i read here and there (http://www.linux.ie/newusers/beginners-linux-guide/find.php) it'll only work with ascii file not unicode. |
| 19:53.39 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, i think there are distros atempts (from debian and gentoo) to run hardened and patched for security by default, but i haven't test any of them, sorry |
| 19:53.52 | poisonbit | they use custom gcc patchs etc |
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| 19:54.19 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 19:54.19 | bgy | I guess it should have something to do with the fact that the unicode file needs more bytes to define the charset since chars are wrote with more bytes than with ascii |
| 19:54.20 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:54.31 | greycat | bgy: while I'm waiting for that to load, you might try http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind instead. |
| 19:55.01 | jelly | JaneDoe: but I'll give you points for pulling me back in. See you around, in a week after the ignore expires. |
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| 19:55.10 | Arrowmaster | which unicode are you referring to? utf16? |
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| 19:55.10 | bgy | greycat, thanks for the link but it was more to satisfy my curiosity : ) |
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| 19:55.18 | greycat | bgy: the examples they have before the statement about Unicode are *not* 0c. They are 1000c and 599c and 701c. |
| 19:55.28 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Ah, so he's been here before? |
| 19:55.42 | greycat | bgy: they also state that 'c' is counting bytes rather than characters. |
| 19:56.02 | bgy | greycat, oh thanks i misread.. |
| 19:56.06 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: I have no idea, it's just that the style triggers my innate troll sense :-> |
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| 19:57.08 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, maybe that looks better: http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/play.html than my tips about security or time consuming. Two things where i suck. |
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| 19:57.28 | jelly | sometimes though, there is value in answering questions because other people learn something... even if not strictly on-topic for a support channel |
| 19:57.46 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: i dont like SELINUX. i dont understand it. |
| 19:58.04 | poisonbit | but is a good example of debian usage |
| 19:58.04 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: i am using GRSecurity. |
| 19:58.11 | poisonbit | as a distro for reach things |
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| 19:58.49 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: i like the packages you listed on debian. I will give it a try. |
| 19:58.52 | nsadmin | JaneDoe: in that 14 years you could have scripted what you wanted to do that |
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| 19:59.04 | JaneDoe | msadmin: That is what i am doing. and i am tired of it. |
| 19:59.06 | nsadmin | is manual by default |
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| 19:59.19 | nsadmin | whatever... that;'s the gig. |
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| 19:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | If this were point and click the secretary would be the IT Manager and we'd be out of a job. |
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| 20:00.37 | jhutchins_lt | Microsoft keeps trying to do that. |
| 20:00.39 | nsadmin | previous incarnations of the sysadmin gig had you knowing C and quickly constructing things like defenses for your observed/perceived attack patterns coming in |
| 20:01.14 | nsadmin | and the reality is you might actually have to defend that way in a few cases |
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| 20:01.47 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, if you like to harden your servers, see the preseed appendix, of the installer manual and his late_command... add some bash/perl magic... and you get your debian installed and _configured_ to _your_ needs without assist the installation with your hands. |
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| 20:02.33 | poisonbit | really cool |
| 20:02.33 | refreshFSN | any swedes here listen to satanic surfers? |
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| 20:02.56 | nsadmin | refreshFSN: there is #defocus for that question |
| 20:03.01 | refreshFSN | damn, wrong window..sorry :) |
| 20:03.17 | mavhc | in general, or specific satanic surfers?? |
| 20:03.23 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: thanks. will try. your 124 packages are so much better than a person that runs a server with 618. |
| 20:03.43 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, in debian you can purge locales to |
| 20:03.56 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: i would love to do that. |
| 20:03.56 | poisonbit | just "english" support in your server OS files |
| 20:04.14 | poisonbit | files/progrms |
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| 20:05.00 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: but deleting locales are not the same as having libraries compiled without them. |
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| 20:05.22 | poisonbit | you can recompile any debian package, build a repo and build your own installer |
| 20:05.26 | greycat | JaneDoe: locale messages are not "compiled" into "libraries". |
| 20:05.27 | poisonbit | it is open and documented |
| 20:05.41 | poisonbit | i don't know about that compilation thing |
| 20:05.41 | JaneDoe | greycat: locale is compiled in glibc. |
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| 20:05.49 | greycat | Support FOR locales is. |
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| 20:06.07 | JaneDoe | greycat: i have no business with locales, so i would prefer i dont have any support for them. |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | What poisonbit is talking about is setting up the Debian package manager so that any time a package is installed, the manager will remove all the non-English locale support files. |
| 20:06.34 | JaneDoe | greycat: understood, thanks. no that is not what i am looking for. |
| 20:06.45 | poisonbit | you can add patch to sources in your debian custom packages |
| 20:07.02 | poisonbit | if you have very specific needs, debian is a good framework |
| 20:07.55 | JaneDoe | poisonbit: is there any glibc without locale support in debian? |
| 20:08.04 | greycat | No, that's ridiculous. |
| 20:08.14 | greycat | That would be like creating a glibc without strcat(). |
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| 20:08.40 | JaneDoe | greycat: why ridiculous? i am running glibc and gcc without locale support. |
| 20:08.51 | valdyn | JaneDoe: why do you think you need to get rid of locale support in libc6? |
| 20:08.52 | greycat | You're doing no such thing. |
| 20:08.54 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, you can search for oficial packages in http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:09.30 | valdyn | dropping locale support would break all software using this? |
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| 20:09.41 | lnostdal | hi, quick question; what's the 2.6.32-trunk packages? .. i see there are some 2.6.32-rc8 packages also .. but yeah, i've never seen the -trunk ending before, i think |
| 20:09.54 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, the main security work, is in sysadmin policies and user rights. Not in linux distributions. |
| 20:10.08 | poisonbit | policies and work flows |
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| 20:10.16 | poisonbit | the human factor |
| 20:10.36 | dutchfish | lnostdal, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-kbuild-2.6/?rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 20:11.38 | JaneDoe | greycat: --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obj-c++ --disable-multilib --disable-nls. that is in my gcc config. |
| 20:11.42 | lnostdal | dutchfish, ok, hm, so these are sort of like the emacs-snapshot packages .. or something? |
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| 20:11.57 | dutchfish | lnostdal, no, svn repository |
| 20:12.06 | lnostdal | oh |
| 20:12.23 | lnostdal | that's interesting .. .deb <--> VCS |
| 20:12.25 | JaneDoe | thank you all for help. i will give debian a try. |
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| 20:12.52 | dutchfish | lnostdal, well, you ask for the trunk |
| 20:13.28 | greycat | JaneDoe: I don't have a gcc source tree with a --disable-nls option handy and the moment to look up what that does, but I *PROMISE* you, building gcc that way does NOT cause it to obliterate the setlocale(), strcoll() etc. functions from a subsequent libc build. |
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| 20:14.04 | valdyn | --disable-nls does not seem to be in debians gcc |
| 20:14.12 | valdyn | I wonder where it is though |
| 20:14.21 | greycat | All you've probably done is told gcc not to include its OWN locale messages (translations of errors or whatever). |
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| 20:14.26 | valdyn | but this is a very silly idea |
| 20:14.29 | greycat | Agreed. |
| 20:14.54 | valdyn | im sure you could ifdef out locale support in stuff ou compile, but at what cost |
| 20:14.58 | lnostdal | dutchfish, i suppose a reinstall will do the equivalent of `svn up' or so? .. (maybe i should just read-the-fine-source or something ... :) ..) |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | Reeks of Gentoo. |
| 20:15.25 | dutchfish | lnostdal, i still dont know what you wat to do, ehe, maybe |
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| 20:15.39 | JaneDoe | greycat: # CONFIG_NLS is not set that is from the kernel also. i dont have gettext either. |
| 20:15.53 | valdyn | JaneDoe: that is for samba |
| 20:16.00 | valdyn | JaneDoe: or the cifs file system |
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| 20:16.04 | KrisWood | Hi everyone, can anyone point me to a list of standard apt repositories for debian? |
| 20:16.09 | greycat | I'm not going to go look up what the fuck CONFIG_NLS means in a kernel. |
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| 20:16.15 | JaneDoe | valdyn: is it? |
| 20:16.21 | stuckey | How can I backport a newer version of debhelper to stable? |
| 20:16.22 | lnostdal | just curios, dutchfish .. thanks for the link :) |
| 20:16.23 | greycat | KrisWood: run apt-setup? |
| 20:16.27 | sepult` | remember PI ? |
| 20:16.29 | valdyn | JaneDoe: and it seriously breaks it, you cannot use cifs without proper codepage |
| 20:16.29 | poisonbit | lnostdal, aptitude clean && aptitude reinstall to be more sure |
| 20:16.32 | dutchfish | lnostdal, yw |
| 20:16.33 | sepult` | of course |
| 20:16.37 | KrisWood | greycat, command not found |
| 20:16.39 | lnostdal | ok, poisonbit |
| 20:16.40 | stuckey | I followed the instructions on backports.org, but when I try to install it: No candidate version found for debhelper |
| 20:16.44 | stuckey | That's what I see |
| 20:16.46 | sepult` | lol |
| 20:17.05 | valdyn | theres no much point at all as to why you can even unselect codpages in the kernel |
| 20:17.06 | greycat | OK, what did lenny replace apt-setup with? |
| 20:17.17 | greycat | !apt-setup |
| 20:17.17 | dpkg | apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. No longer available since <base-config> was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. To install Debian packages located on CD, ask me about <apt-cdrom>. |
| 20:17.21 | valdyn | 255 bytes each |
| 20:17.24 | valdyn | maybe that is why |
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| 20:17.59 | stuckey | !backports |
| 20:17.59 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:18.27 | poisonbit | stuckey, to build a backport in stable there is an entry in the reference manual to |
| 20:18.30 | greycat | Fuck that. I'll just paste a god damned line FOR him. |
| 20:18.35 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 20:18.41 | dutchfish | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:18.53 | JaneDoe | valdyn: i have those configuration options and i don't have gettext either. i dont have anything built with locales. |
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| 20:19.16 | valdyn | JaneDoe: you recompiled all of debian? |
| 20:19.19 | stuckey | poisonbit: there's an entry? |
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| 20:19.23 | valdyn | JaneDoe: what a waste of time |
| 20:19.29 | JaneDoe | valdyn: it is not debian. |
| 20:19.33 | poisonbit | stuckey, http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 20:19.38 | greycat | Maybe THIS is what she meant by "do it all by hand"? |
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| 20:19.52 | valdyn | JaneDoe: so youre here to tell us that you can do silly things in gentoo? |
| 20:19.54 | greycat | 14:23 JaneDoe> i am tired of doing everything by hand. |
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| 20:20.25 | KrisWood | thanks greycat! |
| 20:20.28 | JaneDoe | greycat: i am sorry, but why is it waste of time to remove sound or whatever libraries from a server? |
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| 20:20.37 | stuckey | poisonbit: so I don't need backports? |
| 20:20.39 | valdyn | JaneDoe: worst case you added bugs and wasted time, best case you just wasted time, duh |
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| 20:20.46 | stuckey | poisonbit: i can just use something out of testing or sid? |
| 20:20.54 | Tw33k^ | sup flaps |
| 20:20.59 | poisonbit | stuckey, no, these are source repos |
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| 20:21.02 | greycat | JaneDoe: It's not a waste of time to remove unneeded PACKAGES from a server, except insofar as you shouldn't have bothered installing them to begin with. |
| 20:21.08 | dutchfish | stuckey, no |
| 20:21.16 | bartmon | Guys! I was on a flaky wifi and my ssh session died during # apt-get upgrade of some important packages. I've reconnected and it seems apt is waiting for some input. Is it safe to pkill it and run it again? |
| 20:21.21 | greycat | JaneDoe: but modifying kernels and compilers and C libraries to remove "locale" when you don't even understand what you're DOING is a different story entirely. |
| 20:21.24 | poisonbit | stuckey, you will apt-get the source code, extract it and then build the packages in your system |
| 20:21.25 | JaneDoe | valdyn: no, best case is i am not bitten in the butt by pulseaudio remote root exploits or whatever comes along. if you dont need it, you should not have it. |
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| 20:21.41 | Tw33k^ | bartmon: yea |
| 20:21.48 | poisonbit | stuckey, just use the -us -uc way to build, not the first listed |
| 20:21.48 | Tw33k^ | bartmon: and for future reference use screen |
| 20:21.49 | stuckey | What the hell is backports for then? |
| 20:21.50 | valdyn | JaneDoe: pulseaudio doesnt run as root on debian |
| 20:21.51 | flaps | Tw33k^: hi, about to snipe a Model M on eBay. feels good man |
| 20:21.58 | Tw33k^ | :) |
| 20:22.02 | valdyn | JaneDoe: or on any sane system for that matter |
| 20:22.04 | stuckey | poisonbit: i usually just use apt-get -b source then install the .debs |
| 20:22.13 | greycat | stuckey: for when you absolutely positively need a newer version of Foo Bar on Lenny and don't feel like building it yourself. |
| 20:22.22 | JaneDoe | valdyn: pulseaudio ran setuid on everywhere when those remote explits came years ago. |
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| 20:22.32 | valdyn | JaneDoe: not in debian |
| 20:22.36 | poisonbit | and there are a backport build in bp.org |
| 20:23.01 | JaneDoe | valdyn: i am not running debian. i am trying to find a distro for myself to relieve manual work and asking everyone's opinion for that matter. |
| 20:23.04 | valdyn | JaneDoe: what does that have to do with locales though? |
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| 20:23.20 | greycat | I'm done with her. This has gone on for WELL over an hour. |
| 20:23.34 | valdyn | JaneDoe: debian is made for serious work, its not for silly things |
| 20:24.03 | KrisWood | greycat, yup that repository did the trick, all good to go now, thanks again! :) |
| 20:24.21 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/54000/ <--- I get an error when doing aptitude update |
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| 20:25.08 | abrotman | stuckey: you have too much junk |
| 20:25.11 | abrotman | !tell stuckey about mmap |
| 20:25.25 | abrotman | stuckey: should we even ask why you have etch/lenny/sid in there ? |
| 20:25.29 | slackerz | if you use clonezilla on sun solaris x86 will it just do a sector by sector image ? |
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| 20:25.48 | greycat | wonders when we became #solaris |
| 20:25.51 | slackerz | heh |
| 20:26.03 | slackerz | where is the clonezilla support channel =0p |
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| 20:26.41 | abrotman | not here |
| 20:26.44 | slackerz | i see |
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| 20:28.15 | stuckey | ... |
| 20:28.21 | stuckey | How do I get a newer version of debhelper? |
| 20:28.29 | stuckey | E: Build-Depends dependency for debhelper cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package man-db can satisfy version requirements |
| 20:28.37 | stuckey | I get that if I do apt-get build-dep debhelper |
| 20:28.53 | greycat | Apparently you would first backport man-db. |
| 20:29.04 | stuckey | so the same thing with man-db |
| 20:29.21 | craigevil | the version of debhelper in backports isnt new enough for you? |
| 20:29.23 | abrotman | did you actually read the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 20:29.28 | poisonbit | stuckey, The (same) Manual: "Usually, one needs to install a few packages with the "-dev" suffix to satisfy package dependencies." |
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| 20:29.52 | stuckey | craigevil: i guess it is, but it doesn't install |
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| 20:30.21 | poisonbit | stuckey, a package have build dependences, and if you want to build it, you need to install his dependences. simply |
| 20:30.21 | stuckey | poisonbit: i don't know which packages |
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| 20:30.35 | poisonbit | read the message |
| 20:30.43 | poisonbit | you need to backport man-db too |
| 20:30.51 | poisonbit | no available versions of package man-db can satisfy version requirements |
| 20:30.52 | craigevil | aptitude -t lenny-backports install debhelper doesnt work for you? |
| 20:30.56 | stuckey | craigevil: no |
| 20:31.00 | poisonbit | it should |
| 20:31.06 | stuckey | It doesn't. |
| 20:31.20 | abrotman | !fish |
| 20:31.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, fish is Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered (also ask me about <fire>). Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell": http://fishshell.org |
| 20:31.28 | stuckey | No candidate version found for debhelper |
| 20:31.30 | stuckey | That's what I get |
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| 20:32.37 | Wizard | hi! |
| 20:33.06 | JaneDoe | poisonbit, dutchfish, hutchins, graycat, valdyn... thank you for the help. i will try debian and see if it serves my purpose. |
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| 20:33.15 | poisonbit | stuckey, apt-cache policy debhelper ? |
| 20:33.22 | dutchfish | JaneDoe, yw, and good luck |
| 20:33.27 | poisonbit | JaneDoe, have fun |
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| 20:34.00 | stuckey | poisonbit: http://paste.debian.net/54001/ |
| 20:34.28 | poisonbit | stuckey, which arch do you use ? |
| 20:35.02 | poisonbit | i386? amd64? ppc? other? |
| 20:35.07 | stuckey | poisonbit: hmm... how do I find out? |
| 20:35.16 | poisonbit | uname -m ? |
| 20:35.19 | Wizard | i had problems with converting latest fedora packages to deb with alien |
| 20:35.32 | stuckey | poisonbit: x86_64 |
| 20:35.43 | Wizard | are rpm3cpio bugs fixed in sid? |
| 20:35.45 | poisonbit | so you have backports bad configured |
| 20:36.10 | poisonbit | stuckey, on amd64 i see: *** 7.2.6~bpo50+1 0 |
| 20:36.17 | poisonbit | bpo are backports |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | stuckey: did you actually read the instructions at backports.org ? |
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| 20:37.11 | poisonbit | Wizard, i don't know, but in sid you should try apt-listbugs |
| 20:37.31 | stuckey | poisonbit: but I did what it said on backports.org |
| 20:37.40 | Wizard | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:37.42 | Wizard | :D |
| 20:38.03 | poisonbit | stuckey, i too, and i see the package, and you don't |
| 20:38.05 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 20:39.03 | poisonbit | stuckey, did you did the aptitude update _after_ editing sources.list ? if yes, please, paste your sources.list |
| 20:39.42 | stuckey | poisonbit: http://paste.debian.net/54004/ |
| 20:39.49 | poisonbit | did you did is well say in english ? |
| 20:40.01 | poisonbit | "did you did" sounds strange for me |
| 20:40.21 | poisonbit | stuckey, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 20:40.29 | poisonbit | backports are for lenny |
| 20:40.38 | abrotman | oh, no .. please don't do that |
| 20:40.42 | poisonbit | the only thing over sid is experimental |
| 20:41.07 | poisonbit | also your backports line was commented |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | He's already GOT sid. |
| 20:41.37 | greycat | Plus lenny security updates. Yeah, like that'll work.... |
| 20:41.37 | poisonbit | lsb_release -a or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | stuckey: put your *entire* sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 20:42.02 | greycat | abrotman: he did. He's got lenny, sid, and lenny security. |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | stuckey: once again .. you've messed up your machine .. have fun |
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| 20:42.48 | poisonbit | \o/ |
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| 20:43.35 | poisonbit | stuckey, man sources.list is a recomendable reading for you if you are root and you don't know how it works |
| 20:43.58 | stuckey | poisonbit: same problem after uncommenting the bakcports entry |
| 20:44.05 | poisonbit | logical |
| 20:44.13 | abrotman | stuckey: why the hell are you trying to use backports if you're using sid ? |
| 20:44.20 | poisonbit | the sid version is up the backlports version |
| 20:44.22 | stuckey | poisonbit: release is lenny |
| 20:44.23 | abrotman | stuckey: what does "apt-cache policy" say ? |
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| 20:45.42 | gestahlt | Hi |
| 20:45.46 | Gm4n | how do I boot from a grub rescue prompt? It says "error: no such partition |
| 20:45.54 | gestahlt | I need help with Virt-Manager and libvirt |
| 20:45.58 | JaneDoe | valdyn: by the way, i just read some advisories and debian was affected by pulseaudio exploits. even there is a newer one here: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1838 |
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| 20:46.36 | gestahlt | when i run the Virtmanager and want to run a guest (the installation worked once but not anymore) i get Error Starting Domain: socket closed unexpectedly |
| 20:46.41 | stuckey | poisonbit: any ideas? |
| 20:46.42 | gestahlt | any idea what could be the issue |
| 20:46.46 | gestahlt | ? |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | stuckey: what does "apt-cache policy" say ? |
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| 20:47.00 | gestahlt | It looks to me like that virt-manager is closing the daemon by himself |
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| 20:47.42 | poisonbit | stuckey, try to configure properly your sources.list |
| 20:47.49 | gestahlt | because when i run it manually and then start virt-manager and try to do anything with the installed VMs the status of the libvirt daemon is no longer running |
| 20:47.59 | gestahlt | i have to restart it then again |
| 20:48.01 | gestahlt | i got debian lenny |
| 20:48.14 | stuckey | poisonbit: What's wrong with this? http://paste.debian.net/54007/ |
| 20:48.43 | poisonbit | that backports are unuseful if you are using sid in your package database |
| 20:49.00 | abrotman | stuckey: is there some reason you won't paste "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 20:49.06 | stuckey | poisonbit: it doesn't work regardless |
| 20:49.40 | poisonbit | stuckey, that setup works for me: http://paste.debian.net/54008/ |
| 20:50.00 | poisonbit | stuckey, and also listen/response to abrotman |
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| 20:50.02 | gestahlt | can anyone help me? |
| 20:50.22 | centHOGG | <vmware |
| 20:50.27 | abrotman | gestahlt: there is a #vmware |
| 20:50.36 | gestahlt | its not vmware |
| 20:50.37 | gestahlt | its kvm |
| 20:50.38 | stuckey | abrotman? |
| 20:50.40 | dutchfish | gestahlt, what virtual system are you trying to start? kvm, xen, qemu, what? |
| 20:50.44 | gestahlt | + libvirt |
| 20:50.48 | gestahlt | kvm |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | poisonbit: he doesn't actually pay attention or learn ... |
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| 20:51.14 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and kvm is running? lsmod | grep kvm ? |
| 20:51.22 | gestahlt | yep up and running |
| 20:51.31 | dutchfish | gestahlt, wich one? |
| 20:51.35 | gestahlt | the issue seems to be with libvirt and/or virt-manager |
| 20:51.57 | gestahlt | kvm and kvm_amd |
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| 20:52.24 | stuckey | poisonbit: i'll try your source list now |
| 20:52.28 | gestahlt | i want to use kvm/qemu for guest OSes and virt-manager to well.. manage them |
| 20:52.29 | poisonbit | wants to test some of these days kvm |
| 20:52.36 | dutchfish | gestahlt, in lenny libvirtd needs privilidged for the user that starts virt-manager or aqemu? |
| 20:52.52 | dutchfish | gestahlt, did you check that? |
| 20:52.54 | stuckey | poisonbit: No candidate version found for debhelper |
| 20:52.55 | stuckey | fail |
| 20:52.57 | gestahlt | yepp |
| 20:53.02 | gestahlt | i added a user for that |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | stuckey: is there some reason you won't paste "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 20:53.12 | stuckey | I already did... |
| 20:53.13 | stuckey | moment |
| 20:53.15 | gestahlt | virt-manager, i havent tried aqemu yet |
| 20:53.15 | stuckey | I'll do it again |
| 20:53.16 | gestahlt | but maybe i switch to that |
| 20:53.19 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and that is in the right group too? |
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| 20:53.31 | gestahlt | Yepp |
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| 20:53.43 | gestahlt | in kvm and libvirt |
| 20:53.53 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/54010/ <--- apt-cache policy |
| 20:53.59 | gestahlt | the funny thing is.. it worked once |
| 20:54.00 | gestahlt | but only once |
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| 20:54.17 | poisonbit | stuckey, that sources works for me http://paste.debian.net/54011/ |
| 20:54.18 | dutchfish | gestahlt, when you start it with a commandline, what happens then? |
| 20:54.35 | abrotman | you have debhelper pinned apparently ? |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | he might want to aptitude update |
| 20:54.59 | stuckey | I'm using the instructions on backports.org |
| 20:55.19 | stuckey | abrotman: how many times should I aptitude update? |
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| 20:55.39 | greycat | once per edit. |
| 20:56.00 | gestahlt | the virtmanager or the vm? |
| 20:56.06 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and you have added your user to libvirt not libvirtd, right? |
| 20:56.15 | gestahlt | yeah |
| 20:56.24 | dutchfish | gestahlt, the vm, manually |
| 20:56.44 | gestahlt | that works just fine |
| 20:56.45 | pigdude | Help, I just borked my server. badly |
| 20:56.48 | abrotman | stuckey: your preferences don't match your sources |
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| 20:57.06 | poisonbit | stuckey, see /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:57.07 | pigdude | I started something of a recursive backup and now nothing is working on the server, except I have a couple active logins |
| 20:57.13 | pigdude | I can't even ssh in from elsewhere |
| 20:57.19 | pigdude | what do I do? |
| 20:57.45 | centHOGG | reboot? |
| 20:57.49 | poisonbit | pigdude, df -h ? |
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| 20:58.04 | pigdude | too late :( I get no response from the server now |
| 20:58.35 | abrotman | renice it ? |
| 20:59.12 | gestahlt | i actually just want a gui for the vm management |
| 20:59.17 | gestahlt | over the cli is a hassle |
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| 20:59.25 | jess^ | heh. |
| 20:59.27 | dutchfish | gestahlt, this might be, that somehow the config.xml is not completely clean, or virt-manager cant get access to your choosen network, have you checked that? |
| 20:59.33 | jess^ | *cough*windowsuser*cough* |
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| 21:00.00 | gestahlt | *cough*comfortability*cough* |
| 21:00.03 | stuckey | abrotman: what do I do to fix it? |
| 21:00.15 | jess^ | comfort is an illusion. |
| 21:00.16 | poisonbit | pigdude, if you "get no response from the server now" we can help so much |
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| 21:00.22 | dutchfish | gestahlt, well, virsh, or aqemu are alternaives, but also have there quircks in lenny |
| 21:00.28 | poisonbit | s/can/can't/ |
| 21:00.41 | gestahlt | dutchfish: webbased would be the best |
| 21:00.42 | pigdude | poisonbit, hence "too late" |
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| 21:01.07 | dutchfish | gestahlt, read the bottom faq also, might come in handy: http://edin.no-ip.com/content/libvirt-kvm-debian-mini-howto |
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| 21:01.19 | zenwryly | Is there a way I can get aptitude (or apt) to tell me which source is generating an "Err" line on update (karmic/main File not found)? |
| 21:01.19 | gestahlt | dutchfish: im not even happy to have it on gnome, i dont like guis a lot, but i like graphical displays on what is running and overhead with a quick overview |
| 21:01.27 | gestahlt | dutch: this one i already did |
| 21:01.58 | dutchfish | gestahlt, sure, but use some i kvm, also virsh is quiet reliable, but not a gui |
| 21:02.20 | dutchfish | s/i/in |
| 21:02.25 | stuckey | abrotman: and moreover, why doesn't backports say to do this if it's necessary? |
| 21:02.45 | dutchfish | gestahlt, try to delve also in the logs |
| 21:03.02 | gestahlt | the logs say the same as the error i get |
| 21:03.09 | dutchfish | gestahlt, once setup it is quiet stable |
| 21:03.12 | gestahlt | i dont get it why it shuts down the libvirt daemon |
| 21:03.19 | i37net | hi there, was wondering whether to put web pages on vps in /var/www/ or /home/user/. any reason to use one or the other? |
| 21:03.32 | poisonbit | stuckey, by default it is not necesary, but it is reflected in the backports instructions, just below |
| 21:03.35 | dutchfish | gestahlt, have you checked dmesg output? |
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| 21:04.02 | poisonbit | stuckey, it is necesary in your case, because you had debhelper Pinned |
| 21:04.09 | centHOGG | i37net: some cms have a thing about permissions... so sometimes /home/user |
| 21:04.12 | poisonbit | and other packages |
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| 21:04.34 | gestahlt | dutchfish: ok, i do now step for step what i try to do |
| 21:04.42 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and thi sis a clean lenny system? |
| 21:04.47 | gestahlt | dutchfish: yeah |
| 21:04.54 | gestahlt | its even fresh |
| 21:04.56 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:04.57 | dutchfish | gestahlt, ok |
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| 21:05.25 | gestahlt | dutchfish: libvirt management daemon is up |
| 21:05.37 | gestahlt | dutchfish: i run the virt-manager now |
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| 21:05.59 | stuckey | poisonbit: so I need to unpinn it? |
| 21:06.13 | gestahlt | dutchfish: virt-manager is up and the libvirt daemon is still running |
| 21:06.27 | i37net | centHOGG: sorry, didnt get what you are saying. is it better in /home/user in order to avoid problems with permissions? |
| 21:06.27 | gestahlt | dutchfish: i connect now to localhost |
| 21:06.34 | gestahlt | dutchfish: machine listing works |
| 21:06.39 | riz_ | Every time start evolution it starts offline. It's a network-manager problem related? |
| 21:06.43 | poisonbit | stuckey, sure |
| 21:06.48 | gestahlt | dutchfish: libvirt is still running |
| 21:06.57 | gestahlt | dutchfish: now i want to start my previously installed vm |
| 21:07.09 | gestahlt | dutchfish: okay |
| 21:07.15 | centHOGG | i37net: yes, i was thinking about those gallery type webpages were you are uploading content |
| 21:07.21 | gestahlt | dutchfish: error starting domain: socket closed unexpecftedly |
| 21:07.29 | gestahlt | dutchfish: and the daemon is down |
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| 21:08.08 | stuckey | poisonbit: so that's the solution? |
| 21:08.09 | i37net | centHOGG: thanks. |
| 21:08.11 | stuckey | how do I unpin? |
| 21:08.20 | dutchfish | gestahlt, yep, its prolly a network setup issue |
| 21:08.42 | gestahlt | dutchfish: and the daemon is dow |
| 21:08.43 | poisonbit | stuckey, edit tour /etc/apt/preferences, and delete the block where the package is referenced |
| 21:08.48 | poisonbit | your |
| 21:08.53 | gestahlt | dutchfish: but it is local? |
| 21:09.16 | dutchfish | gestahlt, sure, but virt-manager has no root-access to your network |
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| 21:09.29 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and it shouldnt |
| 21:09.34 | dutchfish | gestahlt, a sec |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | just keep feeding him fish ... |
| 21:09.52 | caraconan | Hi. I try kill -9 27240 , but I can't terminate this process: |
| 21:09.58 | caraconan | 27240 ? S< 0:00 [bluetooth] |
| 21:10.04 | caraconan | How can I kill it? |
| 21:10.11 | dutchfish | gestahlt, http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/using-bridged-networking-virt-manager |
| 21:10.34 | Robert_L_Straitt | caraconan, sudo top -u "Username" |
| 21:10.38 | Robert_L_Straitt | then k |
| 21:10.43 | greycat | I have a hard time believing a process is in state S after a (failed) kill -9. |
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| 21:10.54 | greycat | It should either be in state D or Z, or not present at all. |
| 21:10.59 | gestahlt | dutchfish: yeah i used a bridge |
| 21:11.05 | gestahlt | durchfish: but another thing is funny |
| 21:11.09 | dutchfish | gestahlt, in future version of kvm this is solved btw, and not so cumbersome as in lenny |
| 21:11.19 | gestahlt | durchfish: i deleted vm, and now it works, im creating one right now |
| 21:11.21 | gestahlt | durchfish: i deleted vm, and now it works, im creating one right no |
| 21:11.38 | gestahlt | durchfish: aah i added a 2nd network adapter.. in the virtual network |
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| 21:11.47 | gestahlt | durchfish: is this the issue? |
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| 21:12.15 | caraconan | <Robert_L_Straitt> still lives |
| 21:12.22 | dutchfish | gestahlt, try it out with one adapter first, and yes, tap devices cant be created by virt-manager in your setup |
| 21:12.31 | Robert_L_Straitt | caraconan, hmmm |
| 21:12.43 | gestahlt | ok it installs with one adapter |
| 21:12.45 | gestahlt | no problem |
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| 21:12.59 | gestahlt | i used a LVM volume for the VM |
| 21:13.03 | dutchfish | gestahlt, hence you need that particular bridge setup, wich is cumbersome, i admit |
| 21:13.09 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.09 | caraconan | 27240 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 bluetooth |
| 21:13.12 | caraconan | Sorry... |
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| 21:13.44 | centHOGG | Hi, is there a way with du or another command to get a recursive directory listing of the filenames and their size (file cataloging)? Thanks in advance |
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| 21:13.53 | gestahlt | i actually wanted to run a firewall as VM |
| 21:13.58 | greycat | centHOGG: ls -lR |
| 21:14.04 | gestahlt | 3 interfaces |
| 21:14.06 | centHOGG | th |
| 21:14.07 | centHOGG | thx |
| 21:14.11 | valdyn | caraconan: thats a kernel thread, you cant kill |
| 21:14.17 | dutchfish | gestahlt, can be done, sure |
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| 21:14.36 | greycat | centHOGG: maybe ls -lbR if you have potentially "funny" filenames |
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| 21:14.44 | gestahlt | dutchfish: is it possible to use virtio with virt-manager? |
| 21:14.47 | dutchfish | gestahlt, but then i would take the routed/natted route |
| 21:14.49 | Robert_L_Straitt | !tell caraconan http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/what-to-do-when-kill-9-pid-doesnt-work-641497/ |
| 21:14.49 | poisonbit | centHOGG, du -a /path |
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| 21:14.57 | dutchfish | gestahlt, yes |
| 21:15.08 | Robert_L_Straitt | caraconan http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/what-to-do-when-kill-9-pid-doesnt-work-641497/ |
| 21:15.32 | gestahlt | dutchfish: idea is as following - have the firewall guest handle the incoming traffic and reroute it to the internal network (Physical and VM machines) |
| 21:15.36 | centHOGG | poisonbit: yeah... i'm using geexbox and trying to get a listing off a hdd |
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| 21:15.42 | dutchfish | gestahlt, but you need the latest kernel for lenny |
| 21:15.56 | gestahlt | whats the latest for lenny? |
| 21:16.05 | centHOGG | du -a /path works |
| 21:16.11 | dutchfish | !kernel |
| 21:16.11 | greycat | you mean a backported kernel? |
| 21:16.13 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091214, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-git10, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.1 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.8 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.41 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
| 21:16.13 | gestahlt | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 21:16.29 | dutchfish | greycat, bpo, or just from main |
| 21:16.42 | gestahlt | whats the easy way to install it on debian without making one? |
| 21:16.51 | gestahlt | the newest? |
| 21:16.53 | greycat | !bpo |
| 21:16.53 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
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| 21:18.00 | dutchfish | greycat, can you help me out letting judd show latest versions kernel for lenny? |
| 21:18.13 | greycat | judd, kernels |
| 21:18.15 | judd | greycat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 21:18.18 | dutchfish | thx |
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| 21:18.24 | caraconan | It's impossible to kill that process? I removed the bluetooth usb adapter, and rmmod btusb |
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| 21:18.34 | valdyn | caraconan: thats a kernel thread, you cant kill |
| 21:18.54 | caraconan | <valdyn> In other debian box I can kill same process |
| 21:18.58 | gestahlt | uh is the one i have good enough? |
| 21:19.02 | valdyn | caraconan: no you cant |
| 21:19.14 | valdyn | caraconan: you can probably kill bluetoothd |
| 21:19.18 | gestahlt | i dont want to play around with stuff from backports |
| 21:19.25 | dutchfish | gestahlt, i think 2.6.30-8 from bpo is the best choice for that purpose |
| 21:19.34 | caraconan | Ok, I will try again. Thanks a lot |
| 21:19.36 | valdyn | caraconan: see how that one claims to use zero memory? its does not recieve your signals, not kill, not any signal |
| 21:19.49 | gestahlt | dutchfish: hrm ok |
| 21:19.59 | valdyn | caraconan: some kernel module is responsible for it, you can remove that |
| 21:20.11 | dutchfish | gestahlt, rem, that libvirtd was not complete at that time when 2.6.26 hit debian |
| 21:20.28 | dutchfish | gestahlt, henc emy advice |
| 21:20.30 | poisonbit | learns a new thing about zero memory proccess |
| 21:20.40 | centHOGG | poisonbit: i'm trying this command... du -ah * | sort -n .... would you know something a little better thx |
| 21:20.58 | poisonbit | centHOGG, avoid -h for sorting |
| 21:21.00 | greycat | You can't use sort -n on du -h output. |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | centHOGG: to do what? sort files by size? |
| 21:21.04 | greycat | use du -k instead |
| 21:21.28 | centHOGG | i'd like them sorted really by directory and human-readable |
| 21:21.34 | gestahlt | ok dutchfish |
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| 21:21.41 | dutchfish | gestahlt, this might com ein handy too: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio |
| 21:21.46 | gestahlt | will an apt upgrade do the rest then? |
| 21:21.49 | heoa | How can I read /var/log/mail.warn? There is something wrong noticed with syslogd. |
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| 21:21.54 | greycat | centHOGG: /msg greybot du-sh |
| 21:22.02 | gestahlt | already bookmarked |
| 21:22.05 | greycat | I won't flood #debian with it. |
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| 21:22.19 | dutchfish | gestahlt, i think after update upgrade, you can install that kernel with aptitud emanually |
| 21:22.44 | gestahlt | ok |
| 21:22.48 | gestahlt | thanks |
| 21:22.51 | gestahlt | i will try my luck |
| 21:22.54 | centHOGG | thx |
| 21:22.57 | dutchfish | gestahlt, yw, and sorry for typos |
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| 21:23.33 | gestahlt | not at all, sorry for my bad grammar |
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| 21:23.50 | dutchfish | gestahlt, np |
| 21:24.07 | stuckey | Success... I now have debhelper :) |
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| 21:25.59 | stuckey | So I'm trying to install spring from mentors now, and I get E: Build-Depends dependency for spring cannot be satisfied because the package libboost-system-dev cannot be found when I try to build dependencies for it. |
| 21:26.04 | stuckey | I want to backport spring to stable |
| 21:26.32 | greycat | Then you need to backport libboost-whatever. |
| 21:26.46 | poisonbit | stuckey, maybe you need to backport Build-Depends not satisfied first ? |
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| 21:27.46 | Gm4n | in grub, are hard drives 0-indexed and partitions 1-indexed? (ie, is sda4 hd0,4?) |
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| 21:28.14 | gestahlt | lol.. libvirt in backports is 0.6.5.3 - default is 0.4.x |
| 21:28.31 | poisonbit | Gm4n, i think that no, sda4 is hd0,3 |
| 21:28.36 | dutchfish | gestahlt, yes |
| 21:28.54 | Gm4n | ok, thanks poisonbit. I can't get my system to boot yet :( |
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| 21:29.47 | gestahlt | ok now new kernel |
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| 21:29.59 | poisonbit | Gm4n, do you know where is the problem? where the boot stops? |
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| 21:30.16 | Gm4n | it's a stage 2 stop |
| 21:30.20 | Gm4n | "No such partition" |
| 21:30.32 | gestahlt | uhm, whats the package name of the recent kernel in the backports? |
| 21:30.35 | stuckey | poisonbit: so when I do that, I get E: Build-Depends dependency for libboost-system-dev cannot be satisfied because the package libboost1.40-dev cannot be found |
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| 21:30.39 | stuckey | Will this continue for ever? |
| 21:30.47 | dutchfish | gestahlt, aptitude search linux-image ? |
| 21:31.13 | gestahlt | im a bit confused with the deb and apt system *g |
| 21:31.17 | gestahlt | not yet used to it |
| 21:31.26 | gestahlt | ah that is sweet |
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| 21:31.31 | poisonbit | stuckey, _i don't know_ IRC is not a manual replacement, read about packaging and backporting |
| 21:31.56 | poisonbit | it is well documented and maybe translated and in a lot of formats for choose |
| 21:31.58 | gestahlt | whats the difference between bpo 1 and 2? |
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| 21:32.17 | Gm4n | when I try and boot, I get "GRUB loading.", then "error: no such partition", at which point it dumps me into a grub rescue shell. |
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| 21:32.21 | dutchfish | gestahlt, 2 has probably some fixes, so take that one |
| 21:32.30 | Gm4n | that's using hd0,3 for sda4 |
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| 21:32.53 | do0ob | hi |
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| 21:32.55 | poisonbit | Gm4n, have you take a look at bootline (press 'e') |
| 21:32.57 | poisonbit | ? |
| 21:33.06 | do0ob | does debian have the units application mentioned here at the end? http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html |
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| 21:33.25 | Gm4n | poisonbit: I don't ever see a menu, I get this immediately |
| 21:33.31 | do0ob | i've been looking for something command line based which does what it does |
| 21:33.53 | Gm4n | and if I ask the rescue shell, I get "Unknown command 'e'" |
| 21:33.54 | poisonbit | Gm4n, you can reinstall grub from the rescue shell |
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| 21:34.12 | Gm4n | the tricky part is that this is a hybrid GPT/MBR drive |
| 21:34.17 | poisonbit | no, e was for the menu, not for the shell e=edit |
| 21:34.17 | Gm4n | and that grub isn't the primary bootloader |
| 21:34.26 | poisonbit | imac ? |
| 21:34.38 | Gm4n | dell mini, but yes, I'm running osx |
| 21:34.42 | gestahlt | dutchfish: sorry for the silly question, but apt doesnt find a package with the name |
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| 21:34.57 | Gm4n | I'm trying to triple-boot osx, windows, and debian |
| 21:35.06 | gestahlt | nvm |
| 21:35.08 | gestahlt | silly me |
| 21:35.09 | poisonbit | Gm4n, which bootloader? refit? |
| 21:35.10 | gestahlt | typo |
| 21:35.16 | dutchfish | gestahlt, ;) |
| 21:35.17 | Gm4n | primary bootloader is chameleon |
| 21:35.30 | Gm4n | which passes off to grub if I select "linux" from it's boot screen |
| 21:35.37 | do0ob | where do i get the units program? |
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| 21:35.41 | do0ob | is it in the repos? |
| 21:35.45 | gestahlt | lets reboot and hope it works |
| 21:35.45 | lepine2 | Can one specify name servers in /etc/network/interfaces while the interface is DHCP? the manual makes no mention of name servers |
| 21:35.55 | poisonbit | Gm4n, i use refit and sometimes i need to "resync" the partition tables, don't know about chamaleon |
| 21:35.59 | Gm4n | and I don't think it's a chameleon issue, because grub gets to stage 2 before going splat... that does mean it was passed off correctly, no? |
| 21:36.10 | dutchfish | gestahlt, ok, try to keep it brief in here, nicer for the others too ;) |
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| 21:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Have you considered virtualization instead? |
| 21:36.42 | Gm4n | chameleon is a bootloader for osx on non-apple hardware. I would suspect it, except that it 1: boots win and osx fine, and 2: seems to hand it off to grub well |
| 21:36.47 | poisonbit | Gm4n, anyway grub has inline help and completion, you can reinstall it from the rescue shell |
| 21:36.52 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: this is a dell mini... $300 computer |
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| 21:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: trying to mix partition types is really difficult. |
| 21:37.07 | Gm4n | poisonbit: "Unknown command: help" |
| 21:37.21 | poisonbit | try ? |
| 21:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: You may be asking it to do more than it can do. |
| 21:37.28 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: agreed, but I had apple's disk partition tool do it, which I have faith in |
| 21:37.38 | Gm4n | ? is also a not found |
| 21:38.03 | jhutchins_lt | hmmm.... seems to me that one of the things I had to do on the mini's was upgrade grub to a newer version. |
| 21:38.06 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: I've been roughly following guides I found online, it's certainly been done before |
| 21:38.06 | valdyn | do0ob: apt-cache show units ? |
| 21:38.34 | do0ob | omg |
| 21:38.43 | gestahlt | hmmm |
| 21:38.43 | do0ob | that wasn't there when i looked the first time O_O |
| 21:38.47 | gestahlt | it loaded the old kernel |
| 21:38.51 | do0ob | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Can you use boot camp? |
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| 21:39.22 | gestahlt | ah right.. lilo |
| 21:39.26 | dutchfish | gestahlt, might be that you manually altered the boot order once ? |
| 21:39.32 | Gm4n | I can't use apple's bootloader, no. If you mean the partitioning tool, I did use disk utility (same underpinnings) |
| 21:39.47 | dutchfish | gestahlt, and check /boot/gurb/menu.lst |
| 21:39.53 | dutchfish | s/gurb/grub |
| 21:39.58 | gestahlt | i use lilo |
| 21:40.01 | gestahlt | have to |
| 21:40.04 | gestahlt | cuz of raid config |
| 21:40.04 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 21:40.30 | gestahlt | i hate lilo |
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| 21:40.39 | poisonbit | xD |
| 21:40.42 | Gm4n | jhutchins_lt: bootcamp (the loader end) only works on apple hardware. I booted off osx install dvd and did initial partitioning from there |
| 21:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: How are you installing OSX? |
| 21:41.38 | Gm4n | off a USB stick I prepared. I'm not entirely sure that's relevant, though |
| 21:41.58 | Gm4n | I'm following http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/dual-booting/14145-triple-boot-videos-guide-using-chameleon-os-x-windows-7-ubuntu-netbook-remix.html, roughly speaking |
| 21:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n:No, just curious, trying to chip something loose from the work I did getting CentOS4 on Mini's. |
| 21:42.51 | Gm4n | restore osx dvd image to my usb stick, run netbook-bootmaker on the USB (tosses in a few kernel extensions to make it boot happily) |
| 21:44.33 | poisonbit | wants a netbook, but doesn't really need it, my T41 doesn't die |
| 21:45.17 | abrotman | Gm4n: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 21:45.33 | Gm4n | that my debian install isn't getting past grub stage 2 |
| 21:45.39 | Gm4n | which was my original question =) |
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| 21:46.48 | poisonbit | http://grub.enbug.org/Manual#GrubShell |
| 21:46.54 | poisonbit | is better than irc |
| 21:47.14 | Gm4n | I've been looking at that, actually |
| 21:47.42 | Gm4n | (except the gnu.org copy). Problem is, everything I try but 'ls' gives me a command not found |
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| 21:48.03 | poisonbit | are you in shell-rescue> ? |
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| 21:48.12 | Gm4n | grub rescue, yeah |
| 21:48.17 | poisonbit | so.... |
| 21:48.22 | poisonbit | read the manual please :) |
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| 21:48.33 | poisonbit | Useful tip: try to load normal mode: insmod /boot/grub/normal.mod |
| 21:48.51 | Gm4n | I did that, it errors |
| 21:49.06 | Gm4n | I read the manual, and tried stuff... no go. That's why I'm in here asking dumb questions ;) |
| 21:49.26 | Titan8990 | !errors |
| 21:49.26 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 21:49.31 | pigdude | I have placed a script in cron.daily. who will it be run by? |
| 21:49.44 | poisonbit | 'help' should work in rescue, and it is not working for you |
| 21:49.46 | pigdude | I want to test it but I'm not sure how |
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| 21:50.01 | Gm4n | that's correct, poisonbit... it's not behaving the way the man page says it should |
| 21:50.11 | poisonbit | pigdude, see crontab |
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| 21:50.53 | bronaugh | anyone else here who's running unstable noticed that you can't install xserver-xorg-video-* because it depends on xserver-xorg-core >= 2:1.6.99.900, which is not available? |
| 21:50.57 | gestahlt | dutchman: now libvirt doesnt work at all |
| 21:50.57 | poisonbit | pigdude, by default in debian, will be root, using the run-parts manual page |
| 21:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Like I said, you might see if there's a newer grub. |
| 21:50.58 | pigdude | poisonbit, what should I be seeing? |
| 21:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: Not Grub2. |
| 21:51.05 | bronaugh | seems to have been true for a few days, at least. |
| 21:51.23 | poisonbit | pigdude, IRC is not a replacement for reading about howto schedule tasks |
| 21:51.37 | pigdude | sure, I understand |
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| 21:51.46 | Gm4n | will do, jhutchins_lt |
| 21:51.48 | pigdude | where is the crontab that runs run-parts on cron.daily? |
| 21:51.59 | jakuub | hi |
| 21:52.00 | jakuub | Anyone know about BCM4312, broadcom-sta driver |
| 21:52.03 | bronaugh | pigdude: /etc/crontab... |
| 21:52.06 | Gm4n | and poisonbit, the error message for the insmod is 'error: no such partition' (just like the other stuff) |
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| 21:52.11 | jakuub | there is error, that i can`t change MAC adress, does anyone know solution ? |
| 21:52.20 | pigdude | ah, got it, thank you |
| 21:52.54 | poisonbit | Gm4n, so maybe a "chamaleon + debian grub + 3 OS" setup issue, not a "grub" issue |
| 21:53.16 | Gm4n | but since grub gets to stage 2, doesn't that mean that grub is running fine? ie, it's not a handoff problem? |
| 21:53.26 | poisonbit | Gm4n, in the imac i need to resync partitions table from refit, lot of times |
| 21:53.52 | Gm4n | I'll try that now |
| 21:53.52 | poisonbit | if not, i don't remember if it stops in grub or where, but it doesn't boot |
| 21:54.19 | poisonbit | usually when i do fresh installs, etc |
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| 21:54.44 | poisonbit | s/fresh installs/partition table modifications/ |
| 21:55.19 | poisonbit | jakuub, how are you trying to change the mac address ? |
| 21:55.36 | poisonbit | and wath error do you get |
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| 21:55.43 | Gm4n | poisonbit: just to be clear, refit is something I run while booted in osx? (I can't use the bootloader portion, since I'm not using EFI) |
| 21:56.32 | poisonbit | Gm4n, refit is what i use in a imac. It is a bootloader |
| 21:56.40 | HackeMate | is there a frontend for apt-cache ? |
| 21:56.46 | pigdude | for some reason a script I place in cron.daily is not run by run-parts (run-parts -v /etc/cron.daily)...the script is owned by root:root and is 0755 as are other scripts in the directory. Is there something I need to do to register the script? |
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| 21:57.04 | pigdude | I'm calling run-parts as root |
| 21:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | refit's a bootloader isn't it? |
| 21:57.19 | bronaugh | pigdude: is the script valid? |
| 21:57.23 | dondelelcaro | pigdude: what is the name of the script? have you read man run-parts? |
| 21:57.28 | pigdude | yes |
| 21:57.34 | poisonbit | sh -n script returns 0 ? |
| 21:57.35 | pigdude | dondelelcaro, it ends with .sh, should that matter? |
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| 21:57.40 | gauge | Is there an easy way to have xterm print or spit out what font it's using? I'm trying to tweak my Xdefaults file and this'd make things a lot easier. |
| 21:57.41 | poisonbit | yes |
| 21:57.45 | poisonbit | remove the .sh |
| 21:57.46 | dondelelcaro | pigdude: yes. rearead man run-parts. |
| 21:57.48 | jhutchins_lt | I think refit is primarily for multi-booting Mac hardware though. |
| 21:58.10 | Gm4n | I'm burning the bootcd to try, but I don't think it will work (since refit is for EFI) |
| 21:58.16 | pigdude | dondelelcaro, ah, '.' is not accepted in the filename |
| 21:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | Gm4n: I think refit mainly runs from the CD. |
| 21:58.22 | dondelelcaro | pigdude: specifically the entire section labeled DESCRIPTION; therein you'll find the answer. |
| 21:59.16 | Gm4n | gotta reboot for this (hook cd drive back up to desktop to burn), brb |
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| 21:59.42 | poisonbit | gauge, you can try xfontsel to help searching a good font |
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| 22:00.41 | poisonbit | gauge, select family, size, etc and then press "select" and then paste in your Xdefaults |
| 22:00.52 | gauge | poisonbit: Brilliant! Thanks. |
| 22:01.26 | poisonbit | np |
| 22:01.36 | bronaugh | anyhow, re X broken in unstable: anyone else? |
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| 22:02.40 | bronaugh | or should I just check bugzilla? |
| 22:03.30 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: check the bts; if it's broken for others, there will be bugs filed |
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| 22:03.51 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 22:04.15 | gauge | xfontsel FAILS on OS X btw. Cool little program though. |
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| 22:04.45 | poisonbit | gauge, osx uses aqua or something liek, not xorg by default |
| 22:05.00 | gauge | I'm useing ratpoison atm |
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| 22:05.18 | bronaugh | go ratpoison go! |
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| 22:06.10 | gauge | ..I'm in love with stumpwm though. Works great on all my debian machines, but not OSX. bloody sbcl and clisp.... |
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| 22:07.11 | Gm4n | no luck with refit :( |
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| 22:08.47 | Gm4n | is there a way to "resync partitions" from a live debian disk? |
| 22:09.16 | poisonbit | Gm4n, the same ways as a standard debian system |
| 22:09.24 | poisonbit | you can install packages in live mode too |
| 22:09.32 | Gm4n | I don't know what a partition resync is, hence the quotes =) |
| 22:09.41 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to get squeeze to boot xen? |
| 22:09.53 | Gm4n | all I know is it doesn't involve fdisk, since fdisk is for MBR only |
| 22:09.55 | poisonbit | Gm4n, a refit feature, when used as bootloader and has grub in a partition |
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| 22:10.32 | Gm4n | well, this system can't run the refit boot disk (since it's bios not EFI) |
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| 22:10.55 | poisonbit | what fdisk -l says ? |
| 22:11.03 | poisonbit | form a debian live |
| 22:11.34 | Gm4n | give me a few minutes, but it probably won't be entirely happy |
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| 22:18.57 | Gm4n | poisonbit: after complaining about GPT, it lists 4 partitions. But fdisk's idea of what partition 4 is doesn't line up with the OSes idea |
| 22:19.30 | Gm4n | /dev/sda4 starts at 1, ends at 1, blocks 19+, and system is GPT. |
| 22:19.32 | bronaugh | ugh. gpt hell? |
| 22:19.34 | poisonbit | i don't know... i only use debian, and at work one machine -> one OS |
| 22:19.52 | Gm4n | exactly, bronaugh. grub isn't liking me :P |
| 22:20.00 | bronaugh | Gm4n: yeah; it won't. |
| 22:20.08 | bronaugh | unless you're using the efi loader it'll hate you a lot. |
| 22:20.19 | Gm4n | I'm not on apple hardware, though |
| 22:20.24 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 22:20.27 | bronaugh | neither am I. |
| 22:20.40 | bronaugh | using gpt so I get partitions aligned on SSD block size boundaries. |
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| 22:21.07 | poisonbit | Gm4n, if you have try one way, and it doesn't work, and nobody knows howto fix... try another installation strategy |
| 22:21.11 | Gm4n | how can an EFI loader work on non-apple hardware? I thought everyone else did bios? |
| 22:21.28 | bronaugh | you don't. |
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| 22:21.37 | bronaugh | you use the BIOS loader and ignore the warnings. |
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| 22:22.01 | Gm4n | well, my warning is "partition not found". And it won't say anything else... |
| 22:22.29 | Gm4n | are there any tricks to using GPT/MBR hybrid? (partition sizing, etc?) |
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| 22:22.57 | bronaugh | you have to use gptsync. |
| 22:23.43 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.47 | bronaugh | that's my primary partition. |
| 22:24.31 | Pudgy | Hi all. I've got an unusual question. Is it possible to have bash "reverse scroll", so the lines go from down to up instead of the other (default) way, which is from up to down? |
| 22:25.17 | Pudgy | Add lines to top instead of down (easier explanation ;)) |
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| 22:25.30 | AimHere | Pudgy, it's more a function of your terminal than of bash, I'd guess |
| 22:26.01 | Pudgy | AimHere: you think? |
| 22:26.20 | AimHere | I think |
| 22:26.38 | Pudgy | AimHere: doesn't seem logical to me... but I'l have a go with google. |
| 22:26.42 | Gm4n | I agree with AimHere, your shell doesn't control the whole screen, it just uses standard output (I believe) |
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| 22:26.56 | Gm4n | so the shell itself should start stdout at the bottom and go up |
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| 22:29.12 | xaashi | hi, does anyone know how to generate the passwrd hash that gets passed /ets/shadow ? thanks in advance |
| 22:29.28 | petemc | mkpasswd |
| 22:29.31 | poisonbit | Pudgy, you can prompt at last $LINE |
| 22:29.55 | Robert_L_Straitt | anyone have any idea why after installing the GSPCA module for my webcam, and plugging in an HP scanner neither will now work? |
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| 22:31.04 | xaashi | petemc: will that genate a hash that can be stored in /etc/shadow? |
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| 22:31.26 | xaashi | petemc: and used for login authentication |
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| 22:32.50 | Gm4n | bronaugh: gptsync says "Analysis inconclusive, will not touch this disk." :( |
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| 22:33.49 | petemc | xaashi: you would need to google for the details, but yes |
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| 22:34.54 | xaashi | petemc: yep, been googling, thanks |
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| 22:35.39 | poisonbit | Pudgy, forget my sentence |
| 22:35.58 | poisonbit | i was with other thing that "reverse" in my mind |
| 22:36.13 | poisonbit | like tput cup $(tput lines) |
| 22:36.31 | bronaugh | Gm4n: wierd. |
| 22:36.36 | bronaugh | what is your layout like? |
| 22:36.39 | poisonbit | but reverse the whole terminal flow... why do you need that ? |
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| 22:37.35 | poisonbit | Pudgy, a poorman solution maybe to turn 180º the screen :) |
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| 22:37.51 | Gm4n | bronaugh: sda1 = whatever it is needed for keeping gpt/mbr synced. sda2 = windows ntfs, sda3 = osx hfs+, sda4 = linux ext3, sda5 = swap |
| 22:38.43 | HackeMate | how to add a host to the cache? i get a dns that is really slow |
| 22:38.59 | petemc | HackeMate: there is no cache |
| 22:39.04 | poisonbit | to which cache ? |
| 22:39.05 | HackeMate | /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:39.18 | bronaugh | Gm4n: ah, so it is a bit exotic. not surprised gptsync threw in the towel then. |
| 22:39.18 | petemc | you can do that, but it wont fix flow dns |
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| 22:39.30 | HackeMate | oh |
| 22:39.34 | petemc | except in the case of one host |
| 22:39.35 | bronaugh | Gm4n: can you force it to just treat it as one big partition? |
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| 22:39.59 | Gm4n | no idea how to do that. I'm gonna try installing a third time, this time following that guide to the letter. |
| 22:40.06 | bronaugh | Gm4n: oh, because it only supports 4 partitions it fucked up. |
| 22:40.08 | bronaugh | that's what went on. |
| 22:40.08 | petemc | HackeMate: you can install a local caching dns server |
| 22:40.18 | HackeMate | i have a webpage that i visit (official dictionary on line) and it has an iframe that loads its own search engine, that last part is really slow |
| 22:40.30 | HackeMate | years ago i solvent that adding the dns and host to some file that i already forget |
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| 22:40.44 | HackeMate | hm, local cachin dns server sounds good enough, i go try |
| 22:40.58 | petemc | HackeMate: you can add entries for individual hosts in /etc/hosts |
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| 22:42.01 | HackeMate | i will read both solutions, maybe the cache dns server will help me in this with another website too |
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| 22:42.43 | xaashi | petemc: found it, you need the makepasswd util, and you can paste in the pasword from echo "passwrd" | makepasswd --clearfrom=- --crypt-md5 |
| 22:42.57 | xaashi | petemc: thanks |
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| 22:44.07 | petemc | xaashi: np, you can also append it to the arguments rather that using echo, but all good |
| 22:44.25 | petemc | s/at/an/ |
| 22:45.34 | bronaugh | Gm4n: dirty hack: |
| 22:45.40 | bronaugh | Gm4n: get rid of the swap partition, use a swap file. |
| 22:45.45 | bronaugh | that'll get it down to 4 partitions and it might work. |
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| 22:47.05 | xaashi | petemc: yep, i'm scripting it anyhow |
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| 22:47.54 | Gm4n | bronaugh: ick :P |
| 22:48.02 | Gm4n | I'll do that |
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| 22:50.32 | bartmon | Hi guys! What's up with the library explosion in testing? bin9 just required 5 extra libs and this has been going on for a while. Is it because apt is now installing the recommended packages by default? |
| 22:50.41 | bartmon | bind9, sorry |
| 22:51.11 | azeem_ | bartmon: apt did that for lenny as well |
| 22:51.16 | poisonbit | aptitude why package dependence |
| 22:51.25 | azeem_ | you could check yourself by comparing apt-cache show bind9 | grep Depends output |
| 22:51.56 | Knorrie | always sets 'Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false";' |
| 22:52.12 | poisonbit | bind9 has not "recomends" on lenny |
| 22:52.24 | poisonbit | only depends and suggest |
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| 22:53.19 | azeem_ | then maybe a dependency needs to be updated due to a versioned Depends, and that one drags in more packages now |
| 22:53.27 | poisonbit | try: aptitude why bind9 some_of_that_lib |
| 22:53.51 | poisonbit | it will tell you "why" |
| 22:54.23 | riz_ | I would like to remove background from grub for reading the console messages. How to do it? I've edited /etc/default/grub removing "splash quiet" from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" lines but nothing changed |
| 22:54.24 | bartmon | poisonbit: OK, i should have said suggested packages. But the new libs are still puzzling me. I'll check out aptitude. |
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| 22:55.15 | poisonbit | riz_, did you run update-grub after editing ? |
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| 22:55.30 | riz_ | poisonbit, yes |
| 22:55.52 | poisonbit | mmm splash and quiet are for the kernel, not for grub |
| 22:56.04 | poisonbit | i think |
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| 22:56.58 | riz_ | poisonbit, yes you are right but there must be a way for remove the background... |
| 22:57.38 | poisonbit | only finds grub 0.X machines around |
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| 22:58.18 | poisonbit | riz_, options should be on manpage or /usr/share/doc |
| 22:58.36 | poisonbit | i can't help more, sorry |
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| 22:59.10 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: I think if you did vga=normal it'd disable the framebuffer, and that might disable the background. |
| 22:59.27 | poisonbit | not the grub2 background |
| 22:59.31 | poisonbit | it is not related |
| 22:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: Quite possible grub2 is ahead of it's documentation right no0w. |
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| 23:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: I thought vga=standard was text only. |
| 23:00.29 | poisonbit | CMDLINE goes to /proc/cmdline and is only used by kernel modules or init |
| 23:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | Until you load a graphics driver at least. |
| 23:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | Quite likely I'm wrong though. |
| 23:01.27 | poisonbit | don't know well, i use grub (not 2) in most machines |
| 23:01.52 | riz_ | grub, this is grub not grub2 |
| 23:01.58 | Gm4n | poisonbit: I agree, splash/quiet are for kernel |
| 23:02.50 | riz_ | ii grub-common 1.97+experimental.20091213-1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 |
| 23:03.13 | poisonbit | this is grub2 |
| 23:03.27 | riz_ | mmm seems |
| 23:03.30 | poisonbit | well... no... this is grub-common... so is neither |
| 23:03.40 | poisonbit | it is a dependency |
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| 23:04.17 | rgr | you need to look at the debian theme file in grub.d |
| 23:05.18 | riz_ | ok, I'm trying to do "update-grub2" instead of "update-grub" |
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| 23:06.37 | riz_ | rgr yes, you can change the if condition in the sh script for use_bg |
| 23:06.59 | riz_ | rgr but I think this is not the right solution :-) |
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| 23:09.56 | rgr | it is the solution : remove the images most probably :-; |
| 23:13.03 | riz_ | rgr eheh :) |
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| 23:13.29 | riz_ | need to reboot for trying |
| 23:14.19 | poisonbit | http://www.mail-archive.com/grub-devel@gnu.org/msg12183.html |
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| 23:14.44 | poisonbit | "I have verified that setting GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console in /usr/local/etc/default/grub would disable gfxterm" |
| 23:15.09 | poisonbit | well without /usr/local/ prefix should apply |
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| 23:16.04 | riz_ | nothing changed |
| 23:16.19 | riz_ | I can't see the console messages |
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| 23:16.36 | poisonbit | riz_, see http://www.mail-archive.com/grub-devel@gnu.org/msg12183.html "I have verified that setting GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console in /usr/local/etc/default/grub would disable gfxterm" |
| 23:17.03 | amphi | poisonbit: that relates to grub2 |
| 23:17.20 | poisonbit | what he is using i think |
| 23:17.23 | SQlvpapir | for a fast machine, the "reading database" part of using aptitude has begund to get really slow lately. is there some cruft to get rid of or do I just tinker with my working system too often? |
| 23:17.41 | riz_ | poisonbit, let me see |
| 23:17.52 | amphi | poisonbit: < riz_> grub, this is grub not grub2 |
| 23:18.16 | riz_ | amphi yes but after I see |
| 23:18.41 | riz_ | ii grub-common 1.97+experimental.20091213-1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 |
| 23:18.51 | amphi | ah |
| 23:18.51 | jhutchins_lt | SQlvpapir: I know in RPM systems it's sometimes necessary to rebuild the database. |
| 23:19.01 | riz_ | this "version 2" probabily means grub2 |
| 23:19.15 | amphi | riz_: grub displays the version on its boot menu screen |
| 23:19.39 | amphi | yes, grub is 0.9x or so if I recall correctly |
| 23:19.55 | poisonbit | SQlvpapir, i think there was some .list files in /var that you can delete, when that happens, but i don't remember the path |
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| 23:20.07 | riz_ | # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)#GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 23:20.17 | riz_ | poisonbit, you are right... |
| 23:20.25 | riz_ | poisonbit, now I try to uncomment this line |
| 23:20.30 | SQlvpapir | I think I remember reading something about it on the planet, I'll get back to you guys :) |
| 23:21.11 | TrickFinlay2 | clear |
| 23:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | This is one of the things that bugs me about grub2, there's too little information on how to control all that complexity, no clear tools or anything. |
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| 23:23.47 | poisonbit | so... work on it before squeeze release if you see things to improve :) |
| 23:25.12 | TrickFinlay2 | does debian have a similar page to this one, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features |
| 23:25.13 | poisonbit | s/release/freeze/ |
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| 23:25.24 | riz_ | ok, it works :-) |
| 23:25.33 | riz_ | thank you poisonbit |
| 23:25.52 | poisonbit | was google :) |
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| 23:26.29 | themill | TrickFinlay2: just read that page with "Debian" instead of "Ubuntu" and you're 90% there. |
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| 23:27.08 | poisonbit | themill, i would love something like the jeos idea in debian |
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| 23:27.56 | poisonbit | but i was reading a bit and it seems a patch over patch implementation |
| 23:27.56 | jeward | I have a hardware question and am not sure which channel to ask it in. Can you guys point me in the right direction? I have a PC with a 1.7Ghz Xeon. Can I put 3.6Ghz Xeons in it? |
| 23:28.00 | TrickFinlay2 | themill, thanks I figured that ;) |
| 23:28.52 | poisonbit | jeward, for hardware specifications i prefer google->manufacturer than irc |
| 23:29.18 | poisonbit | anyway lshw is a cool package |
| 23:29.18 | jeward | poisonbit: will that tell me how fast a Xeon processor will go in the box? |
| 23:29.36 | SQlvpapir | jeward check the motherboard manufacturers homepage |
| 23:29.41 | poisonbit | Can I put != how fast |
| 23:29.46 | SPF | jeward: there's also a #hardware channel |
| 23:29.51 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: Depends entirely on the motherboard, but that sounds like a big jump to me. |
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| 23:30.13 | poisonbit | lshw list serial numbers, Hz, and more hw info |
| 23:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: There are more socket types around these days as well. |
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| 23:30.59 | SQlvpapir | jhutchins_lt, more importantly, it has to be supported by the motherboard hw revision _AND_ bios revision |
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| 23:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | True. |
| 23:34.58 | poisonbit | dmidecode will tell about your bios version |
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| 23:35.50 | poisonbit | sudo dmidecode | grep -A5 '^BIOS Inf' |
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| 23:36.20 | poisonbit | but anyway, you will end in the manufacturer(s) (including intel) support sites |
| 23:36.30 | poisonbit | usually overloaded of slow cgi or javascript |
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| 23:40.47 | leonardo_ | Hi, I would like to know if someone can help me solving a problem |
| 23:41.04 | Shadowcat | a little off topic but |
| 23:41.10 | Shadowcat | anyone know a good domain registrar |
| 23:41.11 | leonardo_ | I use lxde with debian squeeze on notebook lenovo, locale pt-br |
| 23:41.55 | leonardo_ | my keyboard / and ? doesn't work |
| 23:42.03 | leonardo_ | but on gnome and kde works ok |
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| 23:42.48 | poisonbit | Shadowcat, i don't know at wolrd level, but debian.* seems to be in http://www.tucowsinc.com |
| 23:42.57 | amphi | leonardo_: if you run xev from a terminal, do you see them generating keysyms? |
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| 23:43.31 | amphi | leonardo_: what notebook model, BTW? |
| 23:43.39 | leonardo_ | amphi: I'll run the command xev on terminal. remember I'm newbie |
| 23:44.18 | amphi | leonardo_: and then hit those keys, and see what you get in the terminal |
| 23:44.23 | leonardo_ | where can i copy the xev result |
| 23:44.29 | amphi | !paste |
| 23:44.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 23:44.29 | leonardo_ | to show you |
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| 23:45.14 | leonardo_ | http://pastebin.com/m5f117c5e |
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| 23:46.28 | leonardo_ | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m5f117c5e |
| 23:46.42 | leonardo_ | hit the keys when |
| 23:46.44 | amphi | leonardo_: can you just pastenbin the lines that are prodiced when you hit that key/keys ? |
| 23:46.53 | leonardo_ | oh |
| 23:46.54 | leonardo_ | wait |
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| 23:47.35 | leonardo_ | amphi: i run the command xev and hit the keys, no new messages |
| 23:47.48 | leonardo_ | wait |
| 23:47.58 | leonardo_ | let me see if I do the things right |
| 23:48.13 | amphi | the xev window must have input focus |
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| 23:49.29 | leonardo_ | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m32a1c838 |
| 23:49.58 | leonardo_ | so you see any problem |
| 23:50.56 | leonardo_ | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m1066279f |
| 23:51.00 | leonardo_ | look this one |
| 23:52.42 | leonardo_ | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m2e3dbfe5 |
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| 23:53.22 | sthon | Anyone know what the deal is with people.debian.org? |
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| 23:54.34 | poisonbit | sthon, it gives 302 on curl -I |
| 23:54.38 | amphi | all I see in there is a right control key press, but there's so much other junk |
| 23:54.38 | poisonbit | redirected |
| 23:55.12 | amphi | leonardo_: press some other key to see what sort of thing you should see |
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| 23:55.39 | leonardo_ | amphi: you mean a key with no problem |
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| 23:55.53 | amphi | leonardo_: unless your window manager/desktop is already grabbing the key |
| 23:56.05 | amphi | leonardo_: yes, just so you can see what sort of thing to expect |
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| 23:57.58 | leonardo_ | amphi: http://pastebin.com/m218c882 |
| 23:58.08 | leonardo_ | I hit point key |
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| 23:59.41 | amphi | leonardo_: you see the first two blocks are the only relevant ones |
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