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| 00:00.22 | themill | oh_noes: there are standard log_*_msg functions for this. You'll see that most init scripts source /lib/lsb/init-functions for this reason. |
| 00:00.35 | oh_noes | themill: thanks. |
| 00:00.47 | simonrvn | *cough* |
| 00:00.57 | themill | dpkg, comfort simonrvn |
| 00:00.57 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:01.07 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 00:02.30 | oh_noes | themill: is there an interface for that file declared anywhere? Or do I jsut browse through it for functions i need? |
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| 00:03.20 | themill | oh_noes: /usr/share/doc/lsb-base/README.Debian.gz looks promising |
| 00:05.37 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:06.14 | stephans | Hi! I want to do something like this: ffmpeg -i file.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec copy file.m4v ... but it does not work.. can anyone help me? |
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| 00:11.43 | Jygga | stephans use mkvextract before doing that |
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| 00:12.39 | gremlin133 | hey everyone, my apache2 init script has dissapeared, and apache doesnt even function, so I was wondering what the quickest way to re-install it would be (just apache that is) |
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| 00:14.19 | Jygga | gremlin133 whatabout aptitude reinstall apache2 Oo |
| 00:15.04 | gremlin133 | i tried that |
| 00:15.11 | gremlin133 | the init script is still missing |
| 00:15.29 | roe | the default emacs coloring for cf files are red for comments and yellow for configuration lines. I'm not sure what background color allows for best contrast. White means I can't see the yellow and black makes the red painful to read |
| 00:16.01 | neoice | is there a place I can download old packages from sid? |
| 00:16.23 | gremlin133 | one of the first things i tried haha |
| 00:16.27 | gremlin133 | i even tried a purge then install |
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| 00:17.20 | themill | gremlin133: it's in the "apache2.2-common" package. You either need to purge and reinstall it or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:17.28 | gremlin133 | ah |
| 00:18.00 | jpinx-eeepc | uskerine: what is your issues with debian on the eeepc? |
| 00:18.17 | gremlin133 | ah there we go |
| 00:18.20 | themill | neoice: depends how old. It might be in squeeze it might be on snapshot.debian.net, it might be in /var/cache/apt/archives or you might be out of luck |
| 00:18.41 | gremlin133 | now to move on to attempting to make php work |
| 00:18.45 | neoice | themill: already checked apt/archives and it looks like snapshots doesnt have working links |
| 00:19.46 | themill | gremlin133: /msg dpkg install php |
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| 00:19.58 | gremlin133 | its already installed |
| 00:20.10 | gremlin133 | basically i have to switch from lighttpd to apache cause of an issue with a script (sigh) |
| 00:20.19 | gremlin133 | and apache is making me want to kill myself |
| 00:20.52 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: I am switching from apache to lighttpd ;) |
| 00:21.02 | gremlin133 | yeah i wish i could keep lighttpd |
| 00:21.34 | gremlin133 | because at the moment, php refuses to work, the module is loaded, and nothing appears in the error log |
| 00:21.36 | qwd | Trying to set up Samba here. I want to share a folder to a digital radio. If I want to use for example "guest account = user", does user need any special privileges? I tried this smb.conf http://pastebin.com/d56b4053 and my digital radio asks for username and password, I tried blank, I tried the accounts password, but neither worked. The shell of that user is set to /bin/false also, if that matters. |
| 00:22.14 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: I am about to launch into making php work with lighttpd - what was the issue you had? |
| 00:22.35 | gremlin133 | well, its for sugarcrm, and for some reason the SOAP api doesnt work under lighttpd |
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| 00:22.46 | gremlin133 | (not sure why, thier support is kind of useless) |
| 00:22.59 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: it's php-cgi isn't it? |
| 00:23.06 | qwd | Oh, and if I set it up to security = user instead of security = share do I need to mess around with pam (I don't know what that is) or can I just copy the settings from the default smb.conf that Debian gives me and everything will magically work? |
| 00:23.06 | gremlin133 | fgcgi yeah |
| 00:23.10 | gremlin133 | fcgi* |
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| 00:23.43 | gremlin133 | know of any possible workaround? :P |
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| 00:23.53 | markybob | i dont user sugarcrm or soap...but i have several in-house php apps running without problem on lighttpd and php5-cgi |
| 00:23.54 | gremlin133 | i was thinking it was to do with the cgi parser |
| 00:24.07 | gremlin133 | yeah everything else works, its just the soap api |
| 00:24.23 | jpinx-eeepc | looks up soap api |
| 00:24.42 | simonrvn | gremlin133: it might be wsgi+fcgi and i heard something about wsgi not working under fastcgi |
| 00:25.14 | gremlin133 | maybe it would work if i used raw cgi |
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| 00:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: not just in lighthtp it is causing trouble ->> http://www.zen-cart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43677 |
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| 00:27.01 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: and what simonrvn says - fastcgi is not always working |
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| 00:27.22 | gremlin133 | yeah |
| 00:28.51 | gremlin133 | looks like im stuck with apache |
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| 00:30.12 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: did you try without fastcgi? |
| 00:30.17 | gremlin133 | so jpinx-eeepc, dont know if you can help, apache is doing that thing where it provides you with the php source |
| 00:30.20 | qwd | What is it that Ubuntu uses to set up Samba and can I install something so Debian does the same thing? There you only activate it in the settings and right click a folder a choose "Share". At least that's how I remember it from Gnome. |
| 00:30.24 | gremlin133 | i tried raw cgi but that didnt work |
| 00:30.34 | gremlin133 | and i dont think theres any other interfaces for lighttpd |
| 00:31.26 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: sounds like your don't have php running |
| 00:31.36 | gremlin133 | it says the module is loaded |
| 00:31.57 | gremlin133 | which is whats confusing me |
| 00:32.15 | jpinx-eeepc | if it's showing you the code it means you have the .php suffix recognised but the actual php not running |
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| 00:32.35 | gremlin133 | hmm |
| 00:32.48 | gremlin133 | i woulda thought id see something in the error log though |
| 00:33.34 | jpinx-eeepc | not if php isn't running - it won't log anything and apache doesn't see a problem - it;s serving a page |
| 00:33.42 | gremlin133 | hmm |
| 00:33.49 | gremlin133 | yeah its using mod_php |
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| 00:38.59 | gremlin133 | god |
| 00:39.04 | gremlin133 | i totally purged apache and php |
| 00:39.11 | gremlin133 | an reinstalled, and it still doesnt work |
| 00:39.42 | markybob | did you a2enmod? |
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| 00:39.56 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: what does HEAD localhost; or wget -S -O /dev/null http://localhost; do? |
| 00:40.03 | gremlin133 | yeah its already enabled |
| 00:40.20 | gremlin133 | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 00:40.36 | gremlin133 | Content-Type: application/x-httpd-php |
| 00:40.54 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: it does a lot more than that; specifically, I want to see what the Server: line is. |
| 00:41.06 | gremlin133 | ah lemme pastebin it |
| 00:41.23 | gremlin133 | http://pastebin.com/m43739aa5 |
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| 00:43.13 | benedikt | What would be the best way to clone a smaller drive to a larger drive? |
| 00:43.24 | benedikt | dd if=/dev/small of=/dev/big ? |
| 00:43.46 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: you either don't have mod_php enabled, or haven't reloaded since you've enabled it, or have changed the sersver name. |
| 00:44.08 | gremlin133 | hmm |
| 00:44.14 | gremlin133 | ive reloaded it numerous times |
| 00:44.18 | gremlin133 | server name is a possibility |
| 00:44.30 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: have you restarted it? |
| 00:44.35 | gremlin133 | yeah |
| 00:44.37 | Xenguy | benedikt: I just did that recently with dd + gparted... |
| 00:44.38 | gremlin133 | stop, start |
| 00:44.39 | gremlin133 | restart |
| 00:44.39 | gremlin133 | etc |
| 00:45.03 | Xenguy | benedikt: I used a howto for the basic outline, and damned if it didn't actually work ;-) |
| 00:45.10 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 00:45.10 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 00:45.20 | Xenguy | benedikt: hang on, I'll fetch the URL if I can find it |
| 00:45.26 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: see above. |
| 00:46.15 | Xenguy | benedikt: http://www.nilbus.com/linux/disk-copy.php |
| 00:46.25 | gremlin133 | cleared browser cache |
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| 00:46.53 | dhaivat | I program in C |
| 00:46.58 | dhaivat | and I really need the developer manpages |
| 00:47.02 | dhaivat | how can I get them? |
| 00:47.12 | dhaivat | ( i run debian obviously) |
| 00:47.12 | oh_noes | What comparison does aptitude use to compare versions (to know when to upgrade/downgrade?) |
| 00:47.13 | markybob | what the hell |
| 00:47.14 | dondelelcaro | dhaivat: install manpages-dev. read about apt-file too |
| 00:47.19 | oh_noes | Is a directly numerous string comparison? |
| 00:47.23 | oh_noes | direct* |
| 00:47.29 | Xenguy | benedikt: caveat, I dd worked wonderfully, as did gparted, but I did have to wrestle with grub, so you'll definitely need a rescue CD like SystemRescueCD |
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| 00:47.36 | themill | dpkg: tell oh_noes about version compare |
| 00:47.56 | Xenguy | benedikt: but it *is* doable :-) |
| 00:48.46 | oh_noes | themill: thanks. do you know how most deb packages maintain dev and release versions? At the moment we have dev versions are basically date/time |
| 00:49.02 | oh_noes | but these dont match against official release versions which are X.Y.Z |
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| 00:49.13 | nsadmin | could be a different way per maintainer |
| 00:49.25 | oh_noes | therefore at the moment, we can upgrade from a official release to a dev release even though it should work at a code level |
| 00:49.37 | themill | oh_noes: X.Y.Z+yyyymmdd-revision (if you're adding to the X.Y.Z release) |
| 00:49.39 | oh_noes | so im curious how other projects work with version numbers to solve this |
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| 00:50.09 | nsadmin | you'd have to look |
| 00:50.29 | themill | oh_noes: some packages add on a subversion revision or git commit id to the end of the date string so you know precisely what commit is being used, not just a date. |
| 00:50.35 | nsadmin | but themill gave a way that would work quite well |
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| 00:50.56 | nsadmin | even better |
| 00:51.29 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: sudo APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data apache2 -M; will also tell you if you've loaded it. |
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| 00:52.30 | gremlin133 | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m5a9938f2 |
| 00:52.34 | gremlin133 | its loaded |
| 00:53.02 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: and netstat -plunt; shows that apache2 is listening on port 80? |
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| 00:54.02 | gremlin133 | dondelelcaro: it doenst actually, even though i can access it |
| 00:54.12 | gremlin133 | (i can access .htm pages externally, and see the source code of php pages) |
| 00:54.14 | heroxbd | hi. I have a Thinkpad X200s running debian sid. I installed tp-smapi acpid acpi-support acpitool linux-image-2.6.31 via apt. When I issue acpitool -A, it gives "Sorry, but no Asus ACPI extensions were found on this system." -- how can I make my acpi system correctly identify my machine? |
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| 00:55.13 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: anyway, if you've actually restarted apache, then the Server Name: should change. If you're sure you've done that, and you've still got issues, make sure you've followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-modphp5/README.Debian.gz |
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| 00:56.03 | nsadmin | heroxbd: mostly you'll have to find your own answers if you have chosen to run the bleeding edge dist... but did you reboot into the new kernel? |
| 00:56.23 | jpinx-eeepc | heroxbd: welcome to sid;) sounds like sid does not have the acpi you need atm. |
| 00:56.31 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 00:56.33 | heroxbd | nsadmin: yeah. I am on the new kernel. |
| 00:56.49 | nsadmin | does the previous kernel work? |
| 00:56.52 | jpinx-eeepc | heroxbd: why? |
| 00:56.58 | gremlin133 | dondelelcaro: nothing substantial other than if you want to use php5-cgi, otherwise it says it "just works" |
| 00:57.06 | gremlin133 | just works, like apple products *rolls eyes* |
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| 00:57.33 | heroxbd | jpinx-eeepc: What do you mean by "atm" please? |
| 00:57.48 | gremlin133 | heroxbd: at the moment |
| 00:57.54 | nsadmin | Automated Trouble Maker! |
| 00:58.01 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: I suspect something has come over from your lighttpd config and screwed apache |
| 00:58.15 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: ;) |
| 00:58.15 | heroxbd | nsadmin: no. so I upgraded from 2.6.30 to 2.6.31 |
| 00:58.26 | gremlin133 | im suspecting it might be easier to re-install debian atm |
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| 00:58.43 | nsadmin | heroxbd: has that -ever- worked on the hardware you're using now? |
| 00:58.44 | gremlin133 | its a VM anyway |
| 00:58.49 | markybob | gremlin133, or ask a friend to fix it who actually knows what he's doing |
| 00:58.54 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: no - purge lighttpd properly |
| 00:59.14 | markybob | that's assuming you have friends, of course |
| 00:59.19 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: did you manually remove all lighttpd's configs? |
| 00:59.24 | dondelelcaro | wait, is this lighttp? or apach2? |
| 00:59.33 | gremlin133 | apache2 |
| 00:59.36 | gremlin133 | lighttpd was on there |
| 00:59.41 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: he's going from lighttpd to apache |
| 00:59.43 | heroxbd | jpinx-eeepc, nsadmin: but on http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi it seems that the kernel level acpi well supports my laptop (TP X200s) |
| 00:59.44 | gremlin133 | it still is, but i assumed its separated |
| 00:59.55 | heroxbd | gremlin133: ThX :) |
| 01:00.00 | nsadmin | maybe they're contending for port 80 |
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| 01:00.11 | gremlin133 | lighttpd was turned off |
| 01:00.16 | markybob | !assume |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW |
| 01:00.16 | gremlin133 | ive just purged it |
| 01:00.21 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: off is not uninstalled |
| 01:00.44 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: purge it, manually delete all the configs |
| 01:00.56 | gremlin133 | the /etc/lighttpd directory is gone |
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| 01:01.07 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.{conf,load} exists and has reasonable contents? |
| 01:01.09 | gremlin133 | stopped apache, started it, still doesnt work |
| 01:01.17 | gremlin133 | yeah i checked both of those |
| 01:01.27 | gremlin133 | its got the addtypes and the loadmodule line |
| 01:01.37 | nsadmin | gremlin133: look at the log... maybe it tells why |
| 01:01.42 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: tbh I'd purge apache2 as well and start again |
| 01:01.44 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: and the php files are named foo.php or foo.phtml? |
| 01:02.06 | gremlin133 | yep |
| 01:02.08 | gremlin133 | index.php really |
| 01:02.10 | nsadmin | ("doesn't work" pretty much goes without saying, and it's better this way since it provides no info) |
| 01:02.16 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: I'm assuming you know what you're doing regarding hosting as you have been doing it |
| 01:02.27 | gremlin133 | well, yeah, it was working under lighttpd |
| 01:02.54 | gremlin133 | i thought it would be relatively easy to switch back over |
| 01:03.27 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: so it's some sneeze left from lighttpd which is now buggering apache2 and you could spend all night looking for it, or you could ppurge all webservers and start afresh |
| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: are you using the default apache configuration or have you modified it at all? |
| 01:03.52 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: that won't do anything |
| 01:04.00 | gremlin133 | dondelelcaro: default, since i purged everything and reinstalled |
| 01:04.10 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: he was messing with soap and something else |
| 01:04.21 | gremlin133 | i hadnt changed any config though |
| 01:04.22 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: ok, and you've actually stoped apache2, and verified that it was no longer running? |
| 01:04.25 | gremlin133 | since the soap is sugar specific |
| 01:04.30 | gremlin133 | yeah |
| 01:04.39 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: and then you started apache2? |
| 01:04.45 | gremlin133 | yep |
| 01:05.01 | dondelelcaro | gremlin133: ok, stop apache, and start it with with the -X option under strace, and paste the logs |
| 01:05.16 | gremlin133 | holdon a sec |
| 01:05.24 | gremlin133 | i just tried what jpinx said before |
| 01:05.26 | dondelelcaro | (and replace index.php with a simple script which calls <? php_info() ?> or whatever that command is) |
| 01:05.32 | gremlin133 | so ive purged everything web server related i could think of |
| 01:05.45 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; best of luck |
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| 01:08.29 | gremlin133 | hmm |
| 01:08.30 | benedikt | Xenguy: thanks. DD is running. I think ive done this before... It should be enough to let dd finish, resize with gparted, then mount it, chroot and run grub-install and then switch drives. |
| 01:08.32 | gremlin133 | okay its all re-installed |
| 01:08.36 | gremlin133 | and now it magically works |
| 01:08.38 | gremlin133 | *shrugs* |
| 01:08.45 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: ;) |
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| 01:08.51 | gremlin133 | i purged every single php module aswell |
| 01:08.52 | jpinx-eeepc | been there - done that :D |
| 01:08.53 | gremlin133 | just in case |
| 01:09.29 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: there are many tripwires when changing webservers |
| 01:09.44 | gremlin133 | tripwires with spikes in front of them |
| 01:09.55 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: and too many for me to be bothered trying to find them - I purge and install clean |
| 01:10.00 | benedikt | Xenguy: i did cp /dev/old /dev/new and it sort of worked. messed up the partition somehow and it was impossible to get it to the right size. |
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| 01:10.14 | gremlin133 | yeah probably easier |
| 01:10.28 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: what are you trying to do>? |
| 01:10.31 | gremlin133 | ahrg now i have to re-do the php configuration for sugar |
| 01:10.50 | jpinx-eeepc | gremlin133: did you not backup your configs? |
| 01:11.08 | gremlin133 | no i was getting too pissed with it haha |
| 01:11.12 | gremlin133 | its only 4 options to change anyway |
| 01:11.14 | jpinx-eeepc | thwacks gremlin133 with a 4 x 2 |
| 01:11.24 | gremlin133 | ive done it so many times i remember them so i figured it didnt matter |
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| 01:16.31 | benedikt | jpinx-eeepc: cloning sda1 to sdb1 |
| 01:19.04 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: for a true clone use dd |
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| 01:20.02 | benedikt | jpinx-eeepc: it is running. sdb1 is just larger, so i have to resize it when im done. (and chroot to it and run grub-install) |
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| 01:40.19 | nkuttler | andyh2: so, turn off your httpd |
| 01:40.26 | andyh2 | okay |
| 01:40.27 | andyh2 | its off |
| 01:40.33 | nkuttler | andyh2: and then restart mysql |
| 01:40.42 | andyh2 | done |
| 01:40.47 | nkuttler | load? |
| 01:41.04 | andyh2 | .20 and going down |
| 01:41.14 | andyh2 | .17 |
| 01:41.17 | andyh2 | .15 |
| 01:41.19 | cheako | Hello, I need some advice about maintainership. There was an API change in ffmpeg where url_fclose was no-longer passed a reference, so a '&' was removed. |
| 01:41.23 | andyh2 | this is cpu load in the past minute btw nkuttler |
| 01:41.27 | cheako | http://www.rainsoft.de/projects/ffmpeg_opencv.html |
| 01:41.49 | nkuttler | well, looks like an application problem then, doesn't it? disable all websites, enable one after another, determine which one uses all your resources |
| 01:42.06 | cheako | Now the simple fix would be to build depend against an ffmpeg that has the new 'feature'. |
| 01:42.08 | andyh2 | nkuttler: I've narrowed it down to one site already |
| 01:43.21 | cheako | However this will cause problems in backports, should I care? If I should what's the method to #ifdef in the fix(or un-fix as it were)? |
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| 01:46.21 | cheako | I can see ./configure printing something like "has ffmpeg url_fclose as reference? " and then setting something on the lines of __ffmpeg_urlfclose_reference__ to '&' or '' as needed. |
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| 02:00.34 | darkham | blah blah blah....in the end, nothing works, and fedora is light years advanced, and suse's won't never taked from debian |
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| 02:03.41 | oh_noes | Anyone want to fathem a guess at why `zerofree` runs fast against one disk in my VM, but extremely slow against another disk in the same VM? Same storage, same size, etc. |
| 02:06.22 | jmarsden | oh_noes: One filesystem is full/clean, the other has a ton of small files scattered all over it? |
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| 02:09.21 | oh_noes | jmarsden: the 'slow' one only has 108 small files, so technically it should have less work to do? |
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| 02:11.59 | jmarsden | oh_noes: I'm not sure... well, at least I guessed for you :) |
| 02:12.05 | Rusty1 | looks like it writes to all the unallocated/nonzeroed blocks |
| 02:12.18 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/zerofree |
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| 02:22.56 | jtpd | s /wc/Documents\ and\ Settings/enztec/ |
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| 02:30.35 | ttick | how do I see what distro this machine is on? |
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| 02:31.18 | streuner | look into sources.list |
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| 02:31.48 | streuner | the best what you can do, or just get the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 02:31.55 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 02:31.55 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.10.1-7 squeeze: 2.10.1-7 |
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| 02:32.40 | ttick | 2.10.1-7 hmm. |
| 02:33.16 | streuner | yeah, could be testing or unstable. ok, just look into sources.list then... |
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| 02:33.49 | ttick | in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02default I have "APT::Default-Release "testing"; but when I ask to install a package it offers me a lot of unstables. |
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| 02:34.35 | streuner | sounds like pinning, a PITA :-) |
| 02:35.28 | streuner | it mixes packages out of different branches and you got lots of headaches then :-) |
| 02:35.43 | ttick | so do I just take unstable out of my sources.list update and only put it back when I want to update firefox? |
| 02:36.06 | ttick | The only reason I have unstable in there is for firefox. |
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| 02:36.35 | streuner | even the newest firecrap isnt in Debian... |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | uhm .. mixing is bad |
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| 02:37.14 | streuner | well, i would just get binaries of FF then |
| 02:37.38 | streuner | if you really think you need the latest crap of that piece of shit |
| 02:38.04 | ttick | okay, so you suggest removing firefox, remove unstable from my source.lst and get the binary from FF itself? |
| 02:38.14 | streuner | sure |
| 02:38.16 | ttick | what alternative do you prefer, streuner. |
| 02:38.23 | streuner | but dont mix branches |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | if you don't want to help him .. just leave it go .. jeez |
| 02:39.19 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 02:39.20 | ttick | also, is there any way to revert all current 'unstables' that snuck in there to 'testing'? |
| 02:39.20 | StevenBinion | cheers for abrotman |
| 02:39.20 | judd | streuner: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.5-1 |
| 02:39.36 | StevenBinion | I agree, if you have nothing good to say, then don't say anything. |
| 02:39.53 | streuner | Did you listen to me at all? :-) |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | ttick: this is why you don't mix .. you can try to downgrade, but it may or may not work, and may make an unholy mess out of the box |
| 02:40.13 | StevenBinion | before or after the attitude? |
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| 02:40.53 | ttick | abrotman: when I did the dist-upgrade I had the 02default line in there. I thought it would only upgrade me to testing. Now I'm unsure where it thinks I am. |
| 02:41.08 | streuner | use /lastlog streuner before you say something unclever :-) |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | ttick: which version do you think you want to run ? |
| 02:41.19 | ttick | abrotman: testing |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | streuner: i can you saying poop crap and shit a lot .. isn't that enough ? |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | can see you |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | ttick: the 'easiest' thing to do is to remove the unstable sources, and wait |
| 02:41.57 | streuner | you didnt listen very well too :-) |
| 02:42.09 | StevenBinion | there's a wise saying. it's better to remain silent, and let the world think you a fool. |
| 02:42.16 | StevenBinion | then open it, and remove all doubt. |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | thinks that's going to be lost in translation |
| 02:42.42 | ttick | abrotman: okay, I'll try that and cross fingers |
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| 02:44.57 | streuner | abrotman: do you know B-Town? |
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| 02:46.17 | abrotman | streuner: wrong channel i think |
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| 03:05.05 | Xenguy | guys, is there any way I can 'kill' an audio stream that didn't quit when I quit the app? As in, I want to deactivate/stop my /dev/dsp (I think) |
| 03:05.39 | Xenguy | It's like my audio has been taken over by aliens |
| 03:05.44 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 03:05.57 | Xenguy | I want to shut it down without rebooting |
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| 03:06.47 | simonrvn | if the process lets it go, it should be ok |
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| 03:07.57 | Xenguy | simonrvn: meaning what? |
| 03:08.20 | Xenguy | I can't seem to turn it off |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | Xenguy: are you sure the process isn't still running ? |
| 03:08.46 | Master|Away | Hi...I'm having issues with Debian 5.0 (lenny?)...when I try to use ifconfig sit1 down, the interface will not go down and still appears on the ifconfig output ... >< |
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| 03:09.05 | Xenguy | abrotman simonrvn oh fuck, sorry, my bad, it's killed now |
| 03:11.14 | MasterXC | Example: http://paste.debian.net/52139/ |
| 03:11.34 | MasterXC | It's interfering with another tunnel interface (hetunnel) so ipv6 refuses to work at all |
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| 03:17.09 | cheako | Hello, I need some advice about maintainership. There was an API change in ffmpeg where url_fclose was no-longer passed a reference, so a '&' was removed. |
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| 03:19.39 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 03:19.40 | dpkg | well, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:20.11 | cheako | abrotman: Thank you, I'm in the wrong channel. |
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| 03:27.26 | cheako | Hello, I'd like some advice building a patch http://pastie.org/710723 , no reply from mentors. |
| 03:27.45 | ootput | wouldn't that be classified as a bug? |
| 03:28.34 | ootput | cheako: ha interesting way to use pastebin |
| 03:28.52 | abrotman | cheako: so be patient .. they're better people to ask |
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| 03:39.19 | jmarsden | cheako: Surely you just make sure the package depends on the version of ffmpeg that matches the way your packge works; no issue in backports that way, assuming you backport the newer ffmpeg as well. |
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| 03:43.00 | alvarezp | http://pastie.org/710727 <---- shouldn't I have experimental in policy? (I already did apt-get update) |
| 03:45.18 | cheako | jmarsden: That would break every other pkg. |
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| 03:45.53 | cheako | The API changes, so any application using the old way needs to be rebuilt. |
| 03:46.32 | jmarsden | cheako: Then ffmpeg needs a SONAME bump and the new ffmpeg package can be named appropriately... usual stuff for libraries... or is ffmpeg "special" in some way? |
| 03:47.01 | cheako | jmarsden: Yes, that's the problem no SONAME bump. |
| 03:47.16 | jmarsden | cheako: So... bump it :) |
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| 03:47.26 | cheako | jmarsden: huh, me? |
| 03:47.34 | jmarsden | If you are the packager, sure. |
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| 03:47.52 | cheako | I'm depending on ffmpeg is all. |
| 03:49.10 | cheako | I'll look for a bug against ffmpeg, perhaps it's just an oversight some where. |
| 03:49.13 | cafuego | denies it all in here as well |
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| 03:49.59 | kgoetz | i thought this was strangely silent |
| 03:50.14 | cheako | Just so I'm clear my source wouldn't have linked if the SONAME had been bumped? The bug I have is a segfault after a successful build. |
| 03:50.24 | cafuego | kgoetz: well *I* didn't fart |
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| 03:51.05 | kgoetz | cafuego: so you say |
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| 03:52.51 | gyyg | can I but any live cd linux image on a usb drive? |
| 03:53.00 | gyyg | or does it have to be specifically for usb? |
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| 03:53.18 | cafuego | kgoetz: yup; and you can't make me stop :-) |
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| 03:53.45 | hwl_ | I need help wth my VPS guys |
| 03:53.55 | cheako | gyyg: Mostly, but it does need to be altered... you con't just write out the iso onto the stick using rawrite or anything. |
| 03:54.09 | hwl_ | I registered a domain on namecheap, and I have made that my name servers also and had pointed it to them ns1.mydomain.com ns2.mydomain.com |
| 03:54.13 | hwl_ | to the right IP |
| 03:54.14 | gyyg | unetbootin? |
| 03:54.16 | kgoetz | cafuego: I've got a spare sock i can probably stick somewhere :p |
| 03:54.28 | hwl_ | what do i need to change in my VPS in order for it to work? |
| 03:54.43 | cafuego | kgoetz: I thought aussies preferred the screwtop to corks, not socks? |
| 03:55.14 | heroxbd | If I run Debian in a virtualbox, should I use i486 kernel or i686 kernel? |
| 03:55.15 | cheako | gyyg: This process does depend on the iso, some packagers(debian/ubuntu) make it easy on you. Knoppix you copy the files over move some things around and then run loadlin. |
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| 03:55.30 | kgoetz | cafuego: I have a scar on my thumb from weekend before last which indicates i'm so used to twist tops a pop top will confuse me ;) |
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| 03:57.51 | cafuego | kgoetz: heh - beer with an iq test ;-) |
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| 03:58.08 | cafuego | which explains why VB has a screwtop eh |
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| 03:58.49 | kgoetz | cafuego: hehe |
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| 04:27.21 | ttick | I'm trying to find a boot.img.bz2 and netinstall.iso pair for squeeze/testing? The iso I can get from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ but where is the matching boot.img.bz2. I keep getting mis-matches. |
| 04:27.52 | abrotman | ttick: did you get the link from debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 04:28.40 | ttick | abrotman: I started my quest from this page: http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ which only has links for Lenny (which I'm trying to translate into testing) |
| 04:29.00 | ttick | abrotman: (btw: this is my continued quest to rid myself of potential pinning problems) |
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| 04:30.37 | abrotman | ttick: check the URL i just gave you .. i just did this yesterday, i used the boot.img.gz and the ISO |
| 04:30.41 | abrotman | i think :) |
| 04:30.42 | ttick | and yes, that's where I got the iso from, but it didn't match the boot.img.bz2 I used (which right now I can't remember where I got that but it was supposed to be from testing. |
| 04:31.19 | ttick | where did you get the boot.img from? |
| 04:31.28 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 04:31.35 | abrotman | i just told you where it was linked from |
| 04:31.48 | abrotman | more precisely http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ |
| 04:32.07 | ttick | ah, hd-media. thanks. I was incorrectly looking in net-boot. |
| 04:32.15 | ttick | *head-smack* |
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| 04:32.46 | abrotman | ttick: pretty sure the installation guide tells you where to get it |
| 04:33.18 | ttick | btw: it would be really nice if the installer allowed you to mount points inside an encrypted LVM so I could keep my /home between installs. |
| 04:33.27 | ttick | okay, thanks, I'll burn those to my usb |
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| 04:37.31 | ttick | abrotman: and once again, thanks for the help. |
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| 04:47.49 | ttick | how stable is ext4 (a) just waiting for squeeze to release? b) slight headaches in your future? c) Major problems? |
| 04:48.49 | MorkBork | i wouldnt run it production right now |
| 04:48.56 | MorkBork | theres some issues in 2.6.31+ |
| 04:48.59 | MorkBork | some regressions, etc |
| 04:49.09 | ttick | okay, good to know. ext3 it is |
| 04:49.18 | MorkBork | nothing show stopping |
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| 04:49.19 | MorkBork | but |
| 04:49.27 | MorkBork | some more concerning issues with large files |
| 04:49.36 | MorkBork | search kernel.org's bugzilla for ext4 |
| 04:49.40 | nvz | speaking of ext filesystems, can you just go from ext3->ext4 like you could ext2->ext3 |
| 04:49.44 | abrotman | except squeeze has a .30 kenrel |
| 04:49.48 | abrotman | nvz: no |
| 04:49.51 | MorkBork | nvz, yes, minus extents |
| 04:50.10 | MorkBork | you have to reformat to get the extent feature, which imo is the main course of ext4 |
| 04:50.21 | nvz | and on a related note is there any reason I'd really want to go ext4 other than to have a filesystem that may be cumbersome to rescue considering how new it is? |
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| 04:50.35 | MorkBork | performance wise |
| 04:50.37 | MorkBork | its solid |
| 04:50.41 | MorkBork | extents, etc |
| 04:50.57 | MorkBork | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ext4 |
| 04:51.13 | nvz | I was tempted to try it when I setup this Squeeze box |
| 04:51.29 | MorkBork | i was tempted too |
| 04:51.33 | nvz | trying to get back up to speed with testing and doing support |
| 04:51.36 | MorkBork | but i figured id let other people be trail blazers |
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| 04:51.40 | nvz | I've been out of the loop for awhile now |
| 04:51.41 | MorkBork | and give it another testing cycle |
| 04:51.53 | ttick | "ext4 can map up to 128MB of contiguous space with a 4KB block size." I'd say that's the benefit. |
| 04:52.06 | MorkBork | honestly you could probably run ext4 and be fine |
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| 04:52.10 | MorkBork | but im not taking a chance with anything important |
| 04:52.16 | MorkBork | for a desktop or a test box, yea no problem |
| 04:52.19 | abrotman | !enter |
| 04:52.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:52.26 | nvz | from my experience today trying out pulseaudio for the first time, its looking like they horribly broke the sound settings in gnome on squeeze |
| 04:52.44 | MorkBork | obviously i didnt hit enter too much, i didnt get kicked :P |
| 04:53.23 | nvz | not by debhelper, but abrotman could kick ya if ya like :-P |
| 04:54.27 | nvz | I should watch what I say, before he starts ragging me on my artistic ability after seeing my test wave |
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| 04:56.21 | nvz | everytime I hear "Remote closed the connection" I think of when universal remotes came out and you could walk up and down the street turning your neighbors tvs off.. |
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| 04:57.33 | nvz | goes to show how annoying it is having to hear my thoughts 24-7 |
| 04:59.27 | ttick | hmm, I wish "reserved for root" on the FS could be less than 1% but greater than 0%. I don't think root really needs 5G in reserve. |
| 04:59.30 | nvz | its like someone telling ya they don't wanna hear what you think, and reminding them that they have the luxury of walking away.. heh |
| 04:59.52 | nvz | ttick: I've caught myself thinking the exact same thing |
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| 05:00.08 | MorkBork | i dont mind reserving for root because most filesystems get awful when they get that full |
| 05:00.23 | MorkBork | fragmentation starts getting way out of hand |
| 05:00.24 | zinx | yeah |
| 05:00.38 | nvz | ttick: lately I just leave it at the default 5% and only tune it when I fill it up and am too lazy to properly deal with it |
| 05:00.40 | zinx | the reserved space is both to prevent the system from catastrophically failing, and to prevent fragmentation |
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| 05:01.55 | zinx | (a lot of system stuff expects that there will be free space, and can not operate without it) |
| 05:01.55 | eatnumber11 | how do I recover the default config file that came with a package? |
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| 05:02.29 | nvz | I never really fried my brain getting down to the science of all that stuff, but you gotta wonder about that earlier comment about ext4 being able to contigously store 128M in 4k clusters.. if you aren't just introducing a performance hit beyond a certain ammount of contigous data |
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| 05:03.01 | nvz | basically that given the nature of the medium typically used, a certain degree of fragmentation is nessicary for performance |
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| 05:03.03 | jmarsden | eatnumber11: One way is to purge the package and then install it: aptitude purge PACKAGE ; aptitude install PACKAGE |
| 05:03.19 | cpl_shades | howdy all |
| 05:03.22 | eatnumber11 | I don't want to lose my existing configs |
| 05:03.56 | nvz | eatnumber11: you can always backup your configs before a purge or reinstall of a package |
| 05:03.59 | jmarsden | eatnumber11: Then back them up, purge, install, restore configs from whereever you abcked them up. |
| 05:04.10 | eatnumber11 | yeah, guess so... |
| 05:04.12 | eatnumber11 | thanks |
| 05:04.16 | jmarsden | No problem. |
| 05:04.34 | cpl_shades | I recently installed lenny and have no system sounds, anyone want to try to help me out? |
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| 05:05.36 | nvz | cpl_shades: I'd try.. but considering I hate sound events its not an area I'm experienced in.. |
| 05:05.39 | ttick | system sounds (pc-speaker) or sound-card sounds (music, wave files, etc)? |
| 05:06.26 | cpl_shades | i checked preferences and tested the device, it works. i can put a cd in and listen to it no problems |
| 05:07.36 | nvz | cds are irrelevant, the cdrom can play a cd without even a motherboard much less a hard drive or OS |
| 05:07.49 | cpl_shades | sound card sounds I guess. under preferences>sounds i enabled software soud mixing (ESD) and "play system sounds" but nothing happens |
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| 05:08.44 | nvz | cpl_shades: sounds like it could be as simple as not having a sound theme package installed |
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| 05:09.04 | cpl_shades | that could be, where would I check that? |
| 05:10.01 | nvz | I'm not real sure but I could look into it. I cant stand sound alerts.. Im the kinda person that contemplates tearing a microwave apart to remove the speaker/buzzer that makes the sound when my food is done.. heh |
| 05:10.43 | cpl_shades | lol, problem is, I have a tvcapture card and I'm not getting any sound from that either |
| 05:11.06 | nvz | the one I got now beeps every few seconds until you open the door.. ugh.. did it ever occur to that machine that maybe I'm leaving it in there because I'm busy, or letting it dry up a bit first.. |
| 05:11.17 | cpl_shades | I figured the lack of system sounds was an indication I don't have something set up correctly, figured I'd start there. |
| 05:11.36 | nvz | na if you can play pcm type sound, then your card is working |
| 05:11.59 | cpl_shades | pcm type sound? |
| 05:12.03 | nvz | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp or the test your sound prefs does with the beep should determine that |
| 05:12.14 | nvz | as in real digital to analog sound |
| 05:12.26 | nvz | cds are analog once it leaves the cdrom drive |
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| 05:12.44 | nvz | the cddrive does all the magic there.. they can play a cd standalone with nothing but 12v going to em |
| 05:13.21 | cpl_shades | ok, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gives static noise. |
| 05:13.39 | nvz | I used to use a cdrom drive and an AT power supply when I broke my stereo.. heh |
| 05:13.55 | nvz | like the one I have in here that actually has the play/skip button on it |
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| 05:14.58 | nvz | cpl_shades: then your sound card is good, you just dont have actual sound files is likely the problem |
| 05:15.10 | nvz | cpl_shades: are you using GNOME then? |
| 05:15.24 | cpl_shades | yes, GNOME for the moment |
| 05:15.31 | cpl_shades | one hurdle at a time |
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| 05:16.18 | cpl_shades | I have etch installed on a different partition, sound worked fine there, just on this install of lenny I don't get any sounds |
| 05:16.45 | nvz | cpl_shades: the other problem could be that esd cannot get the sound card because its in use |
| 05:16.54 | nvz | or that esd simply is not installed or working |
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| 05:17.27 | nvz | cpl_shades: lets check for sound files in /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events first |
| 05:17.35 | cpl_shades | ok |
| 05:17.37 | cpl_shades | standby |
| 05:17.38 | nvz | cpl_shades: you should see a buncha wave files in there |
| 05:18.18 | cpl_shades | just 3 .wav files |
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| 05:19.59 | nvz | cpl_shades: yeah thats what I got too |
| 05:20.32 | nvz | cpl_shades: the rest should be one directory up |
| 05:20.54 | nvz | cpl_shades: looking like its solely esd related then |
| 05:21.09 | cpl_shades | ah yes, a bunch of wave files there |
| 05:21.27 | cpl_shades | lots of ogg files too |
| 05:21.55 | nvz | cpl_shades: since you were able to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp that tells us that one the sound card is obtainable, and that esd should be able to get it too, and if the card is like most and one channel it should have faile resource busy if esd was working |
| 05:22.23 | nvz | cpl_shades: so I'd next check that esd is even installed.. I think the package name is esound |
| 05:22.31 | nvz | let me double check |
| 05:22.44 | cpl_shades | ok |
| 05:22.47 | nvz | cpl_shades: dpkg -l esound |
| 05:23.56 | cpl_shades | looking in synaptic I have esound-clients and esound-common installed, but not esound |
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| 05:24.31 | nvz | cpl_shades: I'm pretty sure esound is the server which is required in this case |
| 05:24.59 | nvz | cpl_shades: like I've stated.. sounds are not my friend.. so its not my specialty.. but I;d think installing esound would solve your problem |
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| 05:25.07 | cpl_shades | ok, let me try installing that real quick |
| 05:25.31 | cpl_shades | thanks nvz, I appreciate your help with this |
| 05:25.55 | nvz | thats what I'm here for.. |
| 05:26.12 | nvz | its cheaper than paying a shrink to listen to me talk |
| 05:26.36 | cpl_shades | nvz: lol |
| 05:26.42 | nvz | cpl_shades: heh |
| 05:27.15 | cpl_shades | do I need to do a reboot? |
| 05:27.38 | nvz | cpl_shades: na, at most you would either manually start it, or just simply relog |
| 05:27.53 | cpl_shades | how would I manually start it? |
| 05:28.26 | nvz | cpl_shades: I think just type esd in a terminal as your user.. |
| 05:28.37 | cpl_shades | ok, giving that a try |
| 05:28.43 | nvz | not sure if it will die when you close it without using nohup or not.. it is suppose to be a daemon |
| 05:28.55 | nvz | all depends on if it returns to a prompt or not I suppose |
| 05:29.33 | cpl_shades | it gives me the following: |
| 05:29.36 | cpl_shades | esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket |
| 05:29.36 | cpl_shades | /tmp/.esd/socket |
| 05:29.36 | cpl_shades | This socket already exists indicating esd is already running. |
| 05:29.36 | cpl_shades | Exiting... |
| 05:29.46 | nvz | alright, fair enough |
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| 05:33.21 | nvz | cpl_shades: esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket |
| 05:33.34 | nvz | cpl_shades: is what I just got doing the same thing |
| 05:33.42 | nvz | and I can plainly see esd is NOT running |
| 05:33.49 | cpl_shades | hmm, now what? |
| 05:34.09 | nvz | cpl_shades: you can't guess? |
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| 05:34.40 | cpl_shades | no, I can't |
| 05:34.44 | nvz | cpl_shades: rm that puppy! |
| 05:34.54 | nvz | cpl_shades: its a stale socket file.. |
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| 05:35.30 | cpl_shades | ok, how? or could this be something I need to relog for? |
| 05:35.47 | nvz | cpl_shades: rm /tmp/.esd/socket |
| 05:35.47 | cpl_shades | sorry, still kinda new at this |
| 05:35.51 | nvz | obviously |
| 05:36.04 | Shtl | Hello All |
| 05:36.06 | nvz | cpl_shades: then run esd again and you should hear a sound effect |
| 05:36.20 | cpl_shades | howdy Shtl |
| 05:36.26 | cpl_shades | ok nvz, stand by |
| 05:36.47 | Shtl | when can i say programmatically, the system is ready to shutdown |
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| 05:37.10 | Shtl | by reading any status of the PC?? |
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| 05:37.37 | cpl_shades | hey, it played a sound :D |
| 05:37.39 | ttick | !dpkg rxvt-unicode |
| 05:37.39 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode (aka urxvt) is an <rxvt>-like terminal emulator with Unicode support. FAQ: http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html #rxvt-unicode on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:38.03 | nvz | cpl_shades: yeah it seems esd WILL die when the terminal closes though |
| 05:38.21 | ttick | uh, anyone know what happened to rxvt-unicode? It's not in squeeze? |
| 05:38.58 | nvz | for now you can Ctrl+C to get your prompt back and run it like this "nohup esd &" and it will not die, or just relog and it should start on its own in the background and stay running and you should hear that sound when you login |
| 05:39.57 | cpl_shades | cool, let me try the relog. I've also just been informed by the wife the alarm is set to go off in 3 hours for me to get up for work, dangit |
| 05:40.43 | nvz | cpl_shades: haha, I'm not sure this is gonna do much.. I just tested it with a zenity error dialog and its not working for me either |
| 05:40.53 | cpl_shades | hmm |
| 05:41.14 | nvz | cpl_shades: its suppose to play the siren sound on a gtk error, which zenity --error produces |
| 05:41.14 | cpl_shades | I do have sound on Xchat now though, that's something new |
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| 05:41.31 | cpl_shades | brb |
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| 05:42.43 | cpl_shades | hey, I've got sound now |
| 05:43.01 | nvz | well, whatever pulls your bandwagon, I always say.. |
| 05:43.31 | cpl_shades | ok, it's time for me to get some sleep, highways don't design themselves ya know |
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| 05:43.41 | nvz | cpl_shades: haha.. sure don't |
| 05:44.21 | cpl_shades | I'll be back, wish I hadn't been gone from messing with linux for so long |
| 05:44.35 | nvz | yeah, life happens |
| 05:44.41 | cpl_shades | g'nite all, nvz |
| 05:44.44 | nvz | I'm just back from a long absense myself |
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| 05:45.05 | cpl_shades | have fun |
| 05:45.44 | nvz | goes to reinstall conflicting package pulseaudio-esound-compat |
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| 05:48.52 | hoo-hah | and to look up absense in the dictionary, I hope! |
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| 05:49.19 | ttick | okay, so rxvt-unicode is not in squeeze. should I just add lenny to my sources.lst and then install it? or is that considered 'pinning'? |
| 05:49.56 | hoo-hah | ttick: pinning is additional work |
| 05:50.46 | ttick | hoo-hah: yes, I don't want to pin. but is getting a version from lenny if I'm using squeeze going to run into pinning problems, or am I safe? |
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| 05:51.25 | hoo-hah | I got mine from sid (well src, anyway - to patch for 256 color.) I then removed sid repo. I took care to assign non-squeeze packages -10 priority |
| 05:51.41 | hoo-hah | ttick: I haven't run into any problems |
| 05:51.43 | nvz | hoo-hah: heh |
| 05:52.28 | iskra | i'm logged in as a non-root user via ssh on my server, and I'm trying to startx as a non-root user but it won't let me... how do i open this up? |
| 05:52.34 | nvz | !yinzersmite hoo-hah |
| 05:52.35 | dpkg | rilly wisht hoo-hah conjagated sharn once in awhile. |
| 05:53.34 | nvz | iskra: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 05:54.13 | nvz | iskra: take your view finder and zoom way out.. |
| 05:54.24 | iskra | nvz: start x-server "$: startx" |
| 05:54.41 | nvz | iskra: you can't do that |
| 05:54.50 | nvz | iskra: so again, what is it you are trying to do |
| 05:54.55 | iskra | i can't startx as non-root? |
| 05:55.16 | hoo-hah | iskra: where do you want the display to go? |
| 05:55.21 | nvz | seriously, what is it you want to accomplish by trying to do this ridiculously silly thing |
| 05:55.37 | iskra | lol... i think it's pretty common |
| 05:55.47 | nvz | stupidity? yeah.. its pretty common |
| 05:55.48 | iskra | logging into my server via "ssh -X" |
| 05:55.58 | iskra | ? |
| 05:56.21 | iskra | thats stupid.... hmm |
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| 05:56.56 | nvz | well I asked ya three times what you were trying to do, I'm aware of the fact that you are trying to make an impossible thing happen. |
| 05:57.18 | nvz | I figured you actually wanted to do something that was possible, and were just doing it wrong |
| 05:57.30 | nvz | but you keep insiting I tell you how to do something that isnt possible |
| 05:57.32 | iskra | hoo-hah: i'm trying to get it to pop up on my local computer |
| 05:57.52 | ootput | nvz: lol easy tiger |
| 05:58.21 | nvz | ootput: I'm a lion, actually |
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| 05:58.48 | iskra | nm, figured it out |
| 05:59.11 | nvz | but for the right kinda gal, I could pretend to be a tiger |
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| 06:00.56 | tenzind | in which config file do I specify the gateway address in Debian? |
| 06:01.09 | nvz | tenzind: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:01.18 | nvz | tenzind: man 5 interfaces |
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| 06:01.57 | nvz | tenzind: man 8 route, for further understanding of how it all works I suppose |
| 06:02.08 | tenzind | thanks nvz |
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| 06:05.18 | nvz | -!- pork is now known as theotherwhitemeat |
| 06:06.15 | nvz | blah, I got tv shows here to amuse myself.. that one wasnt even that funny |
| 06:07.17 | ootput | dexter S04e09 |
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| 06:08.07 | nvz | I dont think I even seen season 3 yet.. |
| 06:08.28 | nvz | dont recall where I left off on showtime.. but thats what I'm doing now.. downloading californication/dexter |
| 06:08.40 | nvz | nobody ever lets me get any tv time to watch em on demand |
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| 06:09.45 | nvz | just finished d/l Californication S03 episodes 1&2 and d/l Dexter 03E01.. hope I didnt get the wrong season.. thought I only seen the first two. |
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| 06:10.33 | nvz | gonna have to delete those before I get any more cause I'm low on space .. should just hose winxp on that netbook.. for whatever reason I left most of my space on that partition |
| 06:11.00 | hoo-hah | californication sucks |
| 06:11.05 | hoo-hah | dexter is good |
| 06:11.13 | nvz | idk I thought it was pretty funny |
| 06:11.17 | hoo-hah | though the previous episode did nothing to further the story |
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| 06:11.33 | nvz | but I'm like 56% female minded.. so drama doesn bother me |
| 06:11.33 | hoo-hah | and the love scenarios shouldn't exist. |
| 06:12.10 | nvz | I actually liked The Notebook and The Story Of Us.. heh |
| 06:12.23 | hoo-hah | family guy season 8 eps are doing okay |
| 06:12.33 | hoo-hah | which ones were those? |
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| 06:12.57 | nvz | though I will say the notebook was one of them typical lose all the plot and save the sappy parts of the story kinda things |
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| 06:13.20 | nvz | thats why chic flicks suck.. cause its all stuff to make ya cry and no real story line |
| 06:13.46 | hoo-hah | have you seen Brian's Song? |
| 06:14.23 | hoo-hah | that shit will make a grown man cry |
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| 06:24.07 | kermit | lots of movies make me cry, you say it as if it's rare.. |
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| 06:27.37 | nvz | yeah.. I'm a pussy, I cried on last weeks episode of fringe |
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| 06:33.40 | hoo-hah | 'grown man' |
| 06:34.02 | nvz | lol |
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| 06:36.10 | iskra | what's eating gilbert grape, eh? |
| 06:36.51 | nvz | iskra: you're still here? don't you have some work to do? Got that X forwarding all setup.. |
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| 06:38.04 | iskra | lol... you could've jus ttold me you can't run startx as anything but root |
| 06:38.20 | iskra | being an ass about it did nothing for you or me |
| 06:38.35 | iskra | but i was tending to my sick wife if you have to know |
| 06:38.41 | nvz | iskra: sure you can you can you can also shoot yourself in the foot, doesnt make it a good idea |
| 06:38.55 | nvz | I was just trying to figure out what you were trying to accomplish |
| 06:39.07 | nvz | but yeah, I was being a bit of an ass about it |
| 06:39.15 | nvz | I never ever claimed to be a nice guy |
| 06:39.20 | iskra | if you had tol dme what was a good idea or bad idea it wouldve been nice info, instead you were vague to try and make it seem like i should know |
| 06:39.27 | iskra | which i obviously didnt since i was asking... |
| 06:39.45 | nvz | touche |
| 06:40.00 | iskra | douche** |
| 06:40.08 | nvz | :-P |
| 06:40.15 | nvz | alright, lets move on.. |
| 06:40.18 | iskra | =) |
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| 06:42.46 | iskra | what's a good, lightweight file manager? |
| 06:42.50 | iskra | the lighter the better |
| 06:43.05 | iskra | (and i tried pcmanfm and not a big fan) |
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| 06:43.25 | nvz | what about that xfce filemanager |
| 06:43.30 | ultralazer | thunar |
| 06:43.31 | nvz | thunar I think its called |
| 06:43.48 | iskra | i like thunar |
| 06:43.52 | nvz | personally I hate it |
| 06:43.57 | iskra | got any others tho? |
| 06:44.02 | nvz | but we already established out differences |
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| 06:44.04 | ootput | iskra: xfe |
| 06:44.25 | peterrooney | pardon the blasphemy, but are there any X Windowing System servers available for debian aside from xorg ? |
| 06:45.53 | macrobat | there was one years ago, iirc |
| 06:46.33 | iskra | ootput: thanks, i've used xfe now that i think of it and it's perfect for the job |
| 06:47.48 | macrobat | you can have nested X sessions with Xephyr. maybe Xephyr uses Xorg too |
| 06:47.58 | peterrooney | macrobat: that's what I recall also, but google's doing nothing but tell me how to fix my xorg.conf, and that xorg is a fork of XFree86 |
| 06:48.28 | macrobat | ah, i forgot the name. XFree86 |
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| 06:52.59 | peterrooney | now to test if my changes to debian/rules (s/-g -O2/-O3/g) makes for a better tweaked X server. there has to be a better way. |
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| 06:57.14 | peterrooney | well, that made a 1% difference. |
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| 06:59.56 | Django|Werk | Good Moaning ! |
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| 07:00.34 | nvz | Django|Werk: its the best kind.. |
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| 07:01.14 | Django|Werk | uhuh :D |
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| 07:25.34 | Pierreb | anyone know how to get a new log added to rotation? |
| 07:25.49 | NotInternat | howdy all, a question for the masses.. if i have home drives setup via nfs using automount.. if the home drive server becomes unavailable, will users still be able to log in? |
| 07:25.54 | Pierreb | i added this into /etc/logrotate.d/zabbix-server |
| 07:25.57 | Pierreb | http://pastebin.com/m1d13a453 |
| 07:26.02 | Pierreb | but it wont rotate the logs |
| 07:27.09 | Pierreb | NotInternat: you dont need a home dir to login for what i know |
| 07:27.28 | Pierreb | NotInternat: you can test it with making a user that dont have a home dir |
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| 07:29.41 | peterrooney | what does -d say about it? |
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| 07:30.05 | peterrooney | Pierreb what does logrotate -d say about zabbix-server ? |
| 07:31.38 | Pierreb | this is the output i get |
| 07:31.39 | Pierreb | http://pastebin.com/m53a33d34 |
| 07:33.35 | peterrooney | Pierreb: weird. what does `ls -ald /var/log/zabbix-server ' say about permissions? |
| 07:33.46 | deadcat | very frustrating. cant get the fn key on the apple bluetooth kb to work! )= |
| 07:34.48 | Pierreb | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 300 2009-11-23 08:11 zabbix-server |
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| 07:37.19 | Pierreb | -rw-r----- 1 zabbix zabbix 33M 2009-11-23 08:36 zabbix_server.log |
| 07:37.21 | peterrooney | Pierreb: bingo. chmod 775 /var/log/zabbix-server (or use 755, if paranoid) |
| 07:37.28 | Pierreb | ok |
| 07:37.39 | Pierreb | strange cause it looks the same as the others in logroate.d |
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| 07:38.58 | Pierreb | still get that error that it cant open |
| 07:39.06 | peterrooney | Pierreb: to convince yourself, try `ls -ald /var/log/* | grep ^d ' |
| 07:39.25 | radoe | Pierreb: ist " -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 300 2009-11-23 08:11 zabbix-server" really the output from ls -ald /var/log/zabbix-server? |
| 07:39.44 | radoe | Pierreb: because /var/log/zabbix-server is not a directory then. |
| 07:39.58 | Pierreb | it is a directory |
| 07:40.00 | peterrooney | radoe: whoo! i missed that part. |
| 07:40.05 | Pierreb | but its owned by zabbix:zabbix |
| 07:40.14 | Pierreb | but root should have access to modify files anyway so? |
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| 07:40.25 | peterrooney | !insult peterrooney |
| 07:40.27 | dpkg | You are nothing but a tastless tongueful of plume-plucked Sun IPC manuals |
| 07:41.36 | radoe | Pierreb: please, is /var/log/zabbix-server a directory or not? |
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| 07:41.47 | Pierreb | it is a directory |
| 07:41.54 | Pierreb | and files are stored under it |
| 07:42.20 | peterrooney | Pierreb: then what is the output of `ls -ald var/log/zabbix-server ' ? |
| 07:42.28 | Pierreb | gimme a sec |
| 07:43.03 | Pierreb | http://pastebin.com/d319b0531 |
| 07:45.54 | radoe | Pierreb: just to be sure, your "logrotate -d" output above was created by root? |
| 07:45.54 | ascii158 | is the .bashrc includes by ~/.profile? |
| 07:46.01 | ascii158 | oops |
| 07:46.03 | peterrooney | Pierreb: OK, the directory looks fine. |
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| 07:47.34 | Pierreb | radoe: im logged in as root |
| 07:47.55 | peterrooney | Pierreb: so, what are permissions and ownership of /var/log/zabbix-server/zabbix_server.log-20091123 ? |
| 07:48.12 | Pierreb | its not created |
| 07:48.25 | Pierreb | but the original zabbix_server.log is owned by zabbix:zabbix |
| 07:48.50 | radoe | Pierreb: well, ok. Any chance /var is mounted readonly or is out of space or inodes? |
| 07:49.12 | Pierreb | well the log file is written to |
| 07:49.42 | Pierreb | and i can create stuff in /var so... |
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| 07:51.21 | peterrooney | Pierreb: huh. I can understand your confusion, then. Do you dare run `logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.d/zabbix-server ' |
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| 07:54.31 | Pierreb | that worked |
| 07:55.09 | Pierreb | http://pastebin.com/d6d388970 |
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| 07:59.01 | Pierreb | thx for the help, hope it just continue to rotate it tomorrow :) |
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| 07:59.38 | peterrooney | Pierreb: does it still "fail" when you run it in debug mode? ( logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.d/zabbix-server ) |
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| 08:01.31 | remote | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 08:01.44 | remote | how can I get this package from my source.list ? |
| 08:02.13 | remote | i have included non-free but it's not listed, is it because it's a backport? |
| 08:02.16 | Pierreb | peterrooney: seems to work |
| 08:02.19 | Pierreb | dont get the error anymore |
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| 08:05.46 | EvilGenius | can someone tell me a gui or command tool to encode videos ? would prefer commandline |
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| 08:06.26 | nvz | EvilGenius: mencoder, avidemux |
| 08:06.31 | nvz | EvilGenius: vlc |
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| 08:07.03 | EvilGenius | mencoder is something i been try to get a hold of . but can't seem to find a installable file.. |
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| 08:07.23 | nvz | EvilGenius: mencoder, you need to add http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ to your repositories |
| 08:07.44 | radoe | !tell remote about bpo |
| 08:08.01 | EvilGenius | i did, and i did update n then apt-get install memcoder but nuttin |
| 08:08.10 | remote | radoe: i found it |
| 08:08.24 | nvz | EvilGenius: spelling it right helps too |
| 08:08.27 | remote | radoe: thanks |
| 08:09.03 | EvilGenius | yea right. it actually did ... |
| 08:09.10 | nvz | heh |
| 08:09.14 | EvilGenius | thanks ;) |
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| 08:09.19 | nvz | no problem |
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| 08:10.23 | giskard | what is the the pts page for mysql-server? |
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| 08:15.18 | peleg | Is there a ghostview for gnome today? |
| 08:15.36 | peleg | I see gnome-gv does not exist anymore |
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| 08:22.28 | harpal | Hey I have try to install compiz, and then replaced my window manager to compiz, then my xserver get crashed. restarted my system and after doing login my Xserver restarts and I back to login screen |
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| 08:44.04 | multi_io | how can I tell cp to overwrite target files without asking? |
| 08:44.20 | multi_io | it's not -f, apparently! |
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| 08:47.24 | peterS | multi_io: um ... don't pass -i? |
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| 08:47.48 | Pierreb | peterrooney: log rotates and everything but now the program refuse to write to the logfile ;) |
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| 08:50.45 | mrvdv | how do i mount a hard-drive that i just stuck in the computer |
| 08:52.11 | Stereo | mrvdv: have you rebooted ? |
| 08:52.15 | peterrooney | mrvdv: external USB? |
| 08:52.22 | Stereo | you can detect the hard disk without rebooting, too |
| 08:52.23 | mrvdv | yeah i have rebooted |
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| 08:53.06 | mrvdv | how do i do it manually |
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| 08:54.06 | multi_io | peterS: hm, yeah, apparently. I thought -f would undo an earlier -i. It doesn't. |
| 08:54.19 | multi_io | that's unfortunate |
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| 08:54.39 | peterrooney | mrvdv: in general, ` mkdir /where/you/want/it ; mount -t <fstype> /dev/<newdevice> /where/you/want/it ' |
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| 08:55.08 | peterrooney | mrvdv: to get an idea about what is already on it, ` fdisk -l /dev/<newdrive> ' |
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| 08:59.02 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 08:59.05 | [gnubie] | in layman's term.. how do you define "objects" in squid ? |
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| 09:08.53 | omry|work | I am following the 32bit chroot doc here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 , and I have a problem with /dev/pts in the chroot, for some reason it's not getting mounted. any idea? |
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| 09:10.19 | neuro_damage | is there a standard tool or two that's designed to make debian run level scripts easier to manage? similar to chkconfig/service, or rc-status, etc...? |
| 09:11.00 | xingu | how about update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d? |
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| 09:11.19 | neuro_damage | xingu: how about hotness :) |
| 09:11.40 | kgoetz | several, you should be able to aptcache search them |
| 09:12.01 | neuro_damage | kgoetz: yeah that's why I was wondering what you guys considered good ones :) |
| 09:12.32 | kgoetz | I leave my runlevels alone, they work ok atm :) |
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| 09:13.36 | paissad-hp | hi all |
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| 09:14.26 | paissad-hp | aptitude search ufw does not return me the ufw, but nufw |
| 09:14.39 | paissad-hp | does nufw contain ufw ? |
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| 09:15.06 | paissad-hp | in ubuntu, aptitude search returns ufw, nufw, gufw ... |
| 09:15.14 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance for helping |
| 09:15.20 | mrvdv | how do i stop a user from going into another users folder in the /home directory |
| 09:16.13 | nsadmin | mrvdv: have the other users chmod o-rwx /home/them |
| 09:16.21 | nsadmin | but |
| 09:16.26 | nsadmin | they might not want to. |
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| 09:17.28 | mrvdv | how do i set their user though ?? with the chmod |
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| 09:17.41 | paissad-hp | mrvdv, look at chmod |
| 09:17.49 | nsadmin | man chmod |
| 09:18.27 | nsadmin | info coreutils , look for "file permissions"; you don't seem to be familiar with unix file permission system |
| 09:19.22 | nsadmin | tell them they can do it: chmod o-rwx $HOME |
| 09:20.02 | nsadmin | maybe you should say something about the problem you're actually trying to solv |
| 09:20.03 | nsadmin | e |
| 09:20.29 | simonrvn | that would help.. |
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| 09:36.35 | Wulf_ | Hello |
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| 09:37.14 | Wulf_ | how can I disable ipv6 support in apt-get? I get messages like "Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages" "Could not create a socket for 2001:a78::1a (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:a78::1a 80]" |
| 09:37.52 | nsadmin | you can't disable it for apt-get. |
| 09:38.00 | nsadmin | you can disable it for your network. |
| 09:39.04 | Wulf_ | ok. how can I get rid of the errors? |
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| 09:41.07 | nsadmin | the problem may or may not be related to the use of ipv6 |
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| 09:42.20 | nsadmin | it -might- be that there is more things you need to support what you want to do |
| 09:44.02 | Wulf_ | eh? of course it's ipv6. someone added AAAA records to the debian nameservers and now my apt-get tried to connect to these addresses. |
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| 09:48.55 | Mallxs | Hi, i'm doing a netinstall but after down loading qpopper the install freeses ... any idea ? |
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| 09:51.19 | Wulf_ | Mallxs: qpopper? don't use it, it stinks. |
| 09:51.48 | Wulf_ | Mallxs: and why do you want to install a pop3 server during install? |
| 09:52.39 | hark | Wulf_: looks like it's trying to connect to an ipv6 address over ipv4. it's the same using aptitude? |
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| 09:52.55 | Mallxs | ok thx is was't my choice .. selected "mail server" in dselect and so the install auto selected qpopper as well |
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| 09:54.16 | Wulf_ | hark: no aptitude installed. strace shows this: socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT (Address family not supported by protocol) |
| 09:54.47 | Mallxs | i think it's strange that ipv6 is enabled by default and no where the system is warning you to setup iptables6 |
| 09:54.52 | hark | Wulf_: easiest way around that would be to edit /etc/gai.conf and set your preference to ipv4 |
| 09:55.39 | Wulf_ | hark: didn't know that a config file for this lib function exists. thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 09:57.57 | mike4994 | ive installed debian on a server, and it rocks pretty hard! |
| 09:58.18 | mike4994 | now the thing is, i wanna create an image of this server installation (no incremental or something, full backup image) |
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| 09:58.56 | mike4994 | i got a usb-stick with enough space free, and i got a ftp server/ and a samba share.. |
| 09:59.15 | mike4994 | the usb is easiest to use i think, but it'll be super slow? |
| 09:59.24 | mike4994 | i would like to use DD to create the image |
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| 09:59.36 | mike4994 | .. i can use some advise! :) |
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| 10:01.00 | Wulf_ | hark: no success |
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| 10:01.38 | hark | Wulf_: what did you do? |
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| 10:01.51 | Wulf_ | hark: uncomment the "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" line |
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| 10:03.45 | nsadmin | or, it might be that choosing another mirror that doesn't resolve to an ipv6 addr |
| 10:03.48 | hark | hmm, dunno if it gets cached. maybe you can try removing the ipv6 stuff from /etc/hosts and then see. otherwise might as well disable ipv6 |
| 10:04.13 | hark | nsadmin: can't, it's the security mirror :/ |
| 10:04.28 | mike4994 | anyone can advise me? :) |
| 10:04.31 | Wulf_ | hark: nothing ipv6 related in /etc/hosts. and how can I disable ipv6? the kernel does not support it. |
| 10:05.21 | hark | Wulf_: what does uname -r say? |
| 10:05.33 | nsadmin | mike4994: you say you have enuf space on the usb stick? |
| 10:05.40 | mike4994 | yep |
| 10:05.48 | nsadmin | what else is on it? |
| 10:05.54 | mike4994 | i checked with df -h, and its only (well about) 2GB |
| 10:06.08 | Wulf_ | hark: 2.6.9-023stab048.6-enterprise |
| 10:06.11 | hark | Wulf_: which version of debian? |
| 10:06.14 | Wulf_ | hark: lenny |
| 10:06.26 | nsadmin | (if you use dd, you will destroy all previous content on the stick) |
| 10:06.26 | mike4994 | nsadmin: its a fat32 stick |
| 10:06.32 | hark | openvz huh |
| 10:06.38 | mike4994 | nsadmin: i would like to dd to image file |
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| 10:08.23 | hark | Wulf_: how come you don't have aptitude? |
| 10:09.15 | nsadmin | mike4994: from what |
| 10:09.17 | Wulf_ | hark: either never installed, or removed :) |
| 10:09.25 | nsadmin | in order to accomplish what |
| 10:09.49 | mike4994 | nsadmin: did you read what i wrote ^^ up there |
| 10:10.04 | mike4994 | i got a server with one / partition i would like to dd to a usb stick |
| 10:10.16 | mike4994 | the partition has 2gb in use, will it take ages .. |
| 10:10.23 | mike4994 | should i use ftp/smb share instead? |
| 10:10.47 | nsadmin | if you dd the partition, it could potentially be a LOT more than 2g |
| 10:10.48 | danners | can i resize a luks encrypted home partition ? |
| 10:11.10 | nsadmin | what does df say is its total size? |
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| 10:12.37 | Wulf_ | hark: it was a local firewall problem. and apt-get not showing the real error (connection refused) |
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| 10:14.31 | penta | hi, here anybody have experience iptables development? |
| 10:14.56 | Wulf_ | penta: yes. why? |
| 10:15.03 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 10:15.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:16.20 | penta | Wulf_: did you have? perhaps you knows how make it in my programm... actually do I need in length of payload filtering, it looks like --lingth key in iptables tool, but I still haven't any clue how make it in my app. |
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| 10:20.38 | setog3_ | hi, I just get a new computer from work (m6400), I want to install debian sid on it, (the system is windows vista for now), how to install it without cdrom or key only with network, and how to resize correctly the windows vista partion (I don't want to remove it from the disk, I wan to have a dual boot) |
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| 10:21.02 | Milos_SD | hi to all |
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| 10:21.23 | Wulf_ | penta: do you want to develop a new iptables module? or is all you need the right iptables command without programming anything? |
| 10:21.33 | xamanu | hello everybody |
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| 10:22.35 | Milos_SD | I am compileing linux kernel 2.6.32-rc8 with newest linux-next patch, and on the end, when it needs to create .deb files, it fails with error: "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match current version "2.6.32-rc8-next-20091123" Please correct this" |
| 10:22.39 | Milos_SD | how can I fix that? |
| 10:22.47 | penta | Wulf_: it must be iptables but tuny for integrated system |
| 10:23.06 | penta | Wulf_: I well to use ipt_tcp ipt_udp and ipt_icmp so as to add rules by this protocols |
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| 10:23.19 | penta | Wulf_: but i doubt with length |
| 10:23.22 | linXea | Milos_SD, what build cmd did you use ? |
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| 10:23.39 | penta | Wulf_: e.g. do I need with iptables api programming.... |
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| 10:23.53 | Milos_SD | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 10:24.19 | linXea | Milos_SD, maybe use --append-to-version ? ... not really sure.. worth a try |
| 10:24.22 | Milos_SD | that command I use alweys... but with linux-next patch it doesn't work, don't know why |
| 10:24.38 | Milos_SD | I used that too, but got the same error |
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| 10:25.03 | Milos_SD | it says here to edit version.h file, but I don't know how to edit it :D |
| 10:25.09 | xamanu | I want to install debian on my new computer with whole disc (LVM) encryption. Further I want to install a second Debian based distro (backtrack4), which should be encrypted as well. Does it make sense to put both systems into the same LVM or should there be two seperate LVMs? Does anybody knows where to find documentation about two systems encrypted? Thank you for your help. |
| 10:26.23 | uwe | hello, im trying to setup freeradius on debian lenny, i need to support peap so i recompiled freeradius server and i recompiled freeradius-utils, now the client (radeapclient) doesnt seem to even send the request out to the radius server , does anyone know if it is related to the inclusion of openssl ? anyone familiar with this setup maybe?! |
| 10:27.12 | elik | I want to transfer files between two computers, but scp is so freaking slow (1mBps). I hear it's because of the encryption. Is there a standard utility that could help me with that? I'm transfering to a Mac, so ideally, it should be installed there :S |
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| 10:27.29 | Wulf_ | elik: netcat |
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| 10:27.48 | elik | Wulf_, and what do I need installed on which computer for that? |
| 10:28.03 | Wulf_ | elik: netcat on both computers |
| 10:28.39 | elik | Wulf_, what port does it go though? |
| 10:28.49 | Wulf_ | elik: whatever you like. |
| 10:29.11 | elik | Wulf_, seems like the mac does not have it installed :( |
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| 10:29.25 | elik | Wulf_, couldn't I just pass in a few switches to ssh? |
| 10:29.53 | Wulf_ | elik: sure. but you might have to edit some config files to enable non-encrypted |
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| 10:30.18 | Wulf_ | or maybe ssh doesn't support it at all, don't know :) |
| 10:30.24 | elik | Wulf_, I mean, I would normally install it, but my gf is writing her master degree thesis on it... so I'll try to avoid any potential instability :D |
| 10:30.56 | Wulf_ | elik: netcat doesn't hurt. |
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| 10:36.39 | rvsjoen | how old are the machines ? |
| 10:38.48 | Trewas | elik: scp can easily fill 100mbit network even with encryption if the computers are not ancient |
| 10:38.50 | rvsjoen | unless they are old, I find it hard to believe that encryption is the issue here, at least not at that rate |
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| 10:41.25 | elik | Trewas, well, they are not: centrino on one side, and Mac intel on the other |
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| 10:42.10 | elik | Trewas, any idea what I could look at? |
| 10:42.10 | elik | Trewas, I'm on wifi, so both computers are at 54mbps |
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| 10:44.11 | rvsjoen | that's probably not the actual transfer rate |
| 10:44.28 | rvsjoen | thats the maxiumum theoretical transfer rate |
| 10:44.29 | Trewas | elik: 1MB/s imo sounds plenty for wifi... I would not bother debugging unless some other protocol than ssh is much faster :) |
| 10:44.45 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i am trying to install openssh-sever on debian lenny getting this error -> http://paste.debian.net/52150/ |
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| 10:44.58 | greenmang0 | does anybody have a solution |
| 10:45.00 | greenmang0 | ? |
| 10:45.36 | rvsjoen | elik: also, wireless is effectively half-duplex (shared medium) |
| 10:45.50 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: install libgssapi-krb5-2 |
| 10:45.52 | rvsjoen | elik: so the connected nodes share the total available bandwidth |
| 10:45.57 | jmary | I can see something I was not expecting in my log. I'm behind my router and my desktop acts as dhcp server. The daemom.log is showing permanenent DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER coming obviously from outside. How come this is possible ? |
| 10:45.59 | kgoetz | wonder why its nota dependancy |
| 10:46.06 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: if i try to install libgssapi-krb5-2 ... i get this -> http://paste.debian.net/52151/ |
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| 10:46.43 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: can you show your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 10:46.51 | rvsjoen | jmary: is the router configured as a dhcp relay ? |
| 10:46.59 | radoe | greenmang0: it's libkrb53 in lenny. |
| 10:47.05 | Milos_SD | how can I fix that UTS version does not match error ? :( |
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| 10:47.33 | jmary | rvsjoen, mo, it's a basic netgear. |
| 10:47.35 | elik | Trewas, I don't see my processor being under such heavy load... |
| 10:47.38 | elik | Trewas, could it be my router? |
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| 10:48.24 | jmary | rvsjoen, the routeur is just launching the dsl connection and doing routing. There is only one another computer in my home. |
| 10:48.30 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: http://paste.debian.net/52152/ |
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| 10:48.59 | Trewas | elik: is for example http or ftp traffic faster between those computers? |
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| 10:49.43 | rvsjoen | jmary: sorry, I have to go :/ you should try and figure out who is making the requests |
| 10:49.58 | greenmang0 | radoe: libkrb53 is already installed... |
| 10:50.07 | jmary | rvsjoen, http://paste.debian.net/52153/ |
| 10:50.07 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: ok. have you installed libkrb53 as suggested by radoe? |
| 10:50.12 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: reinstall it |
| 10:50.19 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: ok |
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| 10:50.54 | jmary | I don't think those request are made by peoples who are doing it at purpose, it looks like a noise reaching my desktop. |
| 10:51.30 | elik | rvsjoen, hum, 54mbps down to 1mBps sounds like a major drop :( |
| 10:51.41 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: radoe - thanks.. reinstalling worked!!! |
| 10:52.04 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: you should try to find out why the package was damaged. broken hard disk? r00ted machine? |
| 10:53.07 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: what's the meaning of "r00ted machine"? |
| 10:53.09 | elik | Trewas, unfortunately, I don't have a very good setup for testing :( |
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| 10:54.15 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: some cracker broke into it |
| 10:54.16 | xingu | jmary: it looks like your router is bridging, rather than routing to me; is your internet connection pppoe? |
| 10:54.20 | Trewas | elik: if you are writing correctly 1mBps is about 10mbps (with tcp and other protocol overhead), so it is not *that* bad for wifi which always is far slower than maximum |
| 10:54.33 | jmary | xingu, yes |
| 10:55.11 | maxagaz | how to ssh with a given private key ? |
| 10:55.37 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: actually somebody installed Openoffice 3 on Lenny system... and when i tried to install gcc it asked me to downgrade lot of packages... so i did... and removed openoffice 3 as well |
| 10:55.42 | xingu | jmary: if your router has a MAC filter, I suggest you enable it - you really only need to see traffic from the pppoe server |
| 10:56.06 | Wulf_ | maxagaz: -i? can't remember, rtfm yourself |
| 10:56.10 | xingu | jmary: you might want to have a word with your isp too - they're leaking other people's data down your line. |
| 10:56.48 | maxagaz | Wulf_, thanks :) |
| 10:56.49 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: then today morning when i started system ... i was not able to login... kdm was prompting again and again for username and password |
| 10:56.57 | jmary | xingu, ok. But my router doesn't look like to have something to make a choice between bridging and routing. |
| 10:57.04 | elik | Trewas, I just find it was that transfering between two computers is hogging both their bandwidth and is not going much faster than fetching the torrent itself -_- |
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| 10:57.18 | greenmang0 | so i checked ~/user/.xsession-errors.. there i found mention of libgssapi |
| 10:57.21 | xingu | jmary: it may offer a mode where the router itself does the pppoe |
| 10:57.34 | jmary | xingu, yes that's it. |
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| 10:57.59 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: oops... ~/.xsession-error ... |
| 10:58.10 | Wulf_ | greenmang0: ok, so you messed it up yourself :) |
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| 10:58.26 | xingu | jmary: in which case you no longer need to enable bridging; this would be required if you wanted to run the pppoe session from a pc behind the router |
| 10:59.01 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: kind of.. but somebody else actually messed up.. who installed OO.o 3 on Lenny ;) |
| 10:59.33 | jmary | xingu, I'm not doing that actually. The hypothesis that my ISP is a clown has strong probability. |
| 10:59.47 | xingu | jmary: regardless, the isp is still leaking third party data down your line, you can't cure that problem at your end. |
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| 11:01.38 | jmary | xingu, My ip address is not public. The isp provide DSL connection to a subnetwork he built. I guess that I'm seeing connection attemps when others are broadcasting. |
| 11:02.10 | xingu | jmary: that's precisely it; your isp needs to go bone up on the merits of private vlans, dynamic arp inspection, and dhcp server spoofing prevention. |
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| 11:03.43 | Mikeh | Hello all, I'm looking for a solution for backup mail (queue and re-deliver) under debian, does anyone know of a decent guide? |
| 11:03.46 | jmary | xingu, I'm affraid my SIP doesn't understand anything in that, last time their service stop, they said it was because electricity failure ... |
| 11:03.52 | Mikeh | I have no real preference on MTA, other than something that works. |
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| 11:04.53 | petemc | Mikeh: exim4 that debian includes by default works, also postfix is popular |
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| 11:10.51 | blooddiamond | Any suggestions for a good stock market software for Debian? |
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| 11:13.40 | setog3_ | error: bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-6177-Release <-- ok I have this error, when I try to install debian, I use the site goodbye microsoft for downloading the installer |
| 11:13.49 | setog3_ | do you know what I am doing wrong ? |
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| 11:14.44 | jmary_ | setog3_, why you don't download the installer from a debian mirror ? |
| 11:14.54 | jmary_ | setog3_, i mean an official one. |
| 11:15.18 | setog3_ | jmary_: I haven't any cdrom/usb key |
| 11:15.21 | jmary_ | xingu, thanks for your explanations. |
| 11:16.13 | jmary_ | setog3_, what do you have ? Just the network card ? |
| 11:16.21 | setog3_ | yep |
| 11:16.47 | jmary_ | Do you have another machine at your place ? |
| 11:17.19 | setog3_ | jmary_: yes, but I am not root on it (so installing pxe or something like that would be difficult + the network admin don't authorise this kind of things I think) |
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| 11:17.47 | jmary_ | setog3_, you are in a university ? |
| 11:17.52 | setog3_ | yes |
| 11:18.23 | setog3_ | (and they don't provide pxe for debian :D) |
| 11:18.39 | jmary_ | setog3_, ok, so you should contact your admin they might already have a tftp boot from which you can install. |
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| 11:20.32 | jmary_ | setog3_, if you can use another machine to prepare a pxe boot environnement on it, and if you have a small routeur, it should save you. |
| 11:21.16 | setog3_ | jmary_: or I will try to found a cdrom :D |
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| 11:22.17 | jmary_ | setog3_, yes but it's less funny. |
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| 11:22.50 | setog3_ | ok, I retry to run the debian.exe with using stable, and works now |
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| 11:24.20 | jmary_ | I didn't know that goodbye microsoft site, which is providing an exe to install debian. |
| 11:25.20 | setog3_ | jmary_: I don't know who provide that, if it's debian or an anonymous.. |
| 11:26.08 | jmary_ | I'm watching the video - I like the concept, it's funny. |
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| 11:27.32 | jmary_ | setog3_, they don't say which version of debian they are providing. |
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| 11:29.30 | Kowalczyk | asfjklafsjkafjkgg/20 |
| 11:29.31 | setog3_ | jmary_: you can choose stable/testing or unstable |
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| 11:41.59 | jelly | delboy: hi |
| 11:43.01 | ethanol | hrm. I want to install a package but it depends on php4 whereas I hav 5. how can I overrule this dependency? |
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| 11:44.05 | Wulf_ | ethanol: create a dummy php4 package |
| 11:44.15 | jmary_ | ethanol, you might have a similar more modern stuff which is depending on php5. |
| 11:45.02 | ethanol | jmary_: well, been looking for a php based project management tool. found phpgroupware, but it's the stable in etch depends on php4, whereas everything else we run uses php5 |
| 11:45.04 | jmary_ | ethanol, or you can follow what Wulf_ is saying. |
| 11:45.56 | Wulf_ | something like php4-dummy. Provides: php4, Depends: php5. would that work? |
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| 11:46.14 | ethanol | oh I never knew that, spiffy |
| 11:46.49 | jmary_ | ethanol, you might give a look to the ebox suite that you can install in a ubuntu server in a virtual machine for testing. It will do all what you want including egroupware (fork of phpgroupware). |
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| 11:47.14 | ChrisW | I want to ignore .pyc files and anything in .svn directories... |
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| 11:48.13 | jmary_ | ethanol, otherwise if you are good with drupal CMS you can build in 2-3 days a very customized project management tool very similar to basecamp. |
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| 11:52.34 | NoReflex | hey guys! Is there a way I can instruct network manager to ignore my eth0 interface? |
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| 11:56.01 | ribasushi | what happened with the December freeze? |
| 11:56.05 | ribasushi | is it still being considered? |
| 11:56.34 | Stereo | ribasushi: we won't know until january :) |
| 11:56.48 | ribasushi | charming |
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| 12:00.35 | jmary_ | NoReflex, yes there is. LEt me refind it. |
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| 12:01.37 | NoReflex | jmary_: k |
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| 12:03.05 | jmary_ | NoReflex, /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf |
| 12:03.13 | jmary_ | it should be there. |
| 12:04.01 | NoReflex | will check; thank you |
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| 12:05.41 | NoReflex | it seems that nm was been removed from the system but there's still a system-connection/Auto\ eth0 file |
| 12:06.29 | NoReflex | anyway my problem is that I configured /etc/network/interfaces with the addresses I needed but when the computer boots eth0 isn't configured |
| 12:07.14 | jmary_ | maybe remove the network manager |
| 12:07.14 | NoReflex | this computer is at a remote location and I had to instruct a electrician on the phone how to configure the interface so that I can connect... |
| 12:07.16 | jmary_ | you don't need it if you are going to tweak in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 12:07.37 | NoReflex | now I'm connected but if the computer is restarted eth0 won't be configured... |
| 12:08.06 | petemc | NoReflex: do you have an auto eth0 line in /e/n/i ? |
| 12:08.16 | NoReflex | petemc: yes |
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| 12:10.18 | NoReflex | petemc: I just checked /e/n/i and there isn't the line: auto eth0....just iface eth0 inet static and the settings... |
| 12:10.45 | NoReflex | don't know how that got lost...a few people "fiddled" on the computer |
| 12:11.02 | NoReflex | will add it and hopefully eth0 will be configured on reboot |
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| 12:15.33 | Leoneof` | hi |
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| 12:17.13 | jaggz- | I can ls -i file to find the inode -- but how do I go about finding all the inodes used by a file, or sectors, or something? I want to examine the surrounding sectors for lost data |
| 12:17.34 | jaggz- | like if you store something, then truncate the file.. or if the file is fragmented |
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| 12:22.54 | NoReflex | jaggz: does stat filename help you? |
| 12:24.05 | Leoneof` | it is true that Debian release new version for each 3 years? |
| 12:24.38 | petemc | !release history |
| 12:24.38 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 12:25.03 | jmary_ | Leoneof`, Debian used to relesease versions when they were ready with no well defined release cycle. |
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| 12:25.17 | Leoneof` | i see , thank you |
| 12:25.32 | jmary_ | Leoneof`, that's why it is really stable |
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| 12:26.14 | Leoneof` | and it is easy to use Debian? i used Ubuntu since many days, it is not so hard but Terminal is confusing me |
| 12:26.51 | jmary_ | Leoneof`, and that's also why it is widely used on servers where you don't care much about to very last versions. On server you want to avoid to have hundreds of peoples yelling after you. |
| 12:27.52 | jmary_ | The terminal is just an option to be in direct contact with the OS. |
| 12:28.09 | jmary_ | It's a tool, not a limit. Actually it is limitless |
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| 12:28.31 | jmary_ | I'm administratin some debian servers remotely, and the command line is all what i needd. |
| 12:28.57 | jmary_ | Of cours you can't watch youtube on terminal. |
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| 12:30.37 | jmary_ | Leoneof`, if you are with Ubuntu, stay with it. Debian won't be more easier. |
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| 12:31.24 | ElVirolo | hi everyone |
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| 12:38.06 | setog3_ | hmm, grub can't be install.. |
| 12:38.09 | setog3_ | dpkg: grub |
| 12:38.09 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors> and <grub2>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 12:38.41 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: i just attached dvd writer to debian stable system.. it has 2 HDDs on SATA port.. and DVD Writer is on ATA port.. BIOS detects Writer but Debian isn't ... eject command is not working... K3B complains as well... |
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| 12:38.53 | greenmang0 | Wulf_: where should I look for? in BIOS??? |
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| 12:40.53 | evilhackerdude | hey |
| 12:40.55 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ^^ |
| 12:41.13 | abrotman | uh hi ? |
| 12:41.20 | evilhackerdude | any new word on when 6.0 will be released? i'm about to decide whether to use 5.0.3 or squeeze for a server |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 12:41.28 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 12:41.39 | abrotman | greenmang0: does the BIOS see it ? |
| 12:41.47 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yeah |
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| 12:46.53 | greenmang0 | abrotman: any clue for me...? |
| 12:46.57 | ttick | hah, funny alias. |
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| 12:48.11 | NoReflex | greenmang0: any messages in /var/log/messages regarding the drive? or in syslog? dmesg? |
| 12:48.36 | abrotman | greenmang0: dmesg ? |
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| 12:50.50 | greenmang0 | NoReflex: abrotman : no :( |
| 12:51.07 | greenmang0 | eject: tried to use `/dev/scd0' as device name but it is no block device |
| 12:51.13 | greenmang0 | eject: unable to find or open device for: `cdrom' |
| 12:51.38 | abrotman | that doesn't help .. use dmesg to see if it sees the device |
| 12:52.57 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:53.44 | qp_pq | can I have stuff like aptitude remove mono* ? |
| 12:53.52 | qp_pq | or do I aptitude remove mono.* ? |
| 12:54.00 | qp_pq | how do I use patterns to remove multiple packages ? |
| 12:54.39 | jeff_hann | aptitude erase ~n<name> |
| 12:54.51 | jeff_hann | or purge |
| 12:54.57 | jeff_hann | man aptitude will do :) |
| 12:55.27 | qp_pq | all respect to debian |
| 12:55.32 | qp_pq | but aptitude's manpage is very bad |
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| 12:56.03 | qp_pq | I can't find anything when looking at it |
| 12:56.08 | greenmang0 | abrotman: found this > http://paste.debian.net/52168/ < in dmesg |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | qp_pq: the aptitude manual is better than the man page |
| 12:57.04 | greenmang0 | abrotman: is it udev? hal? who is not able to detect? |
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| 12:57.20 | abrotman | greenmang0: no idea, but it's there .. maybe paste all of the dmesg |
| 12:57.33 | qp_pq | abrotman: oh ? and where do I find that |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | qp_pq: aptitude-doc-en IIRC .. or google for it, the author has it online |
| 12:58.37 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/52170/ |
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| 13:00.13 | jeff_hann | qp_pq: search google for aptitude manual |
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| 13:01.15 | abrotman | greenmang0: eject /dev/hda ? |
| 13:01.59 | greenmang0 | abrotman: why is it working??? :D |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | because /dev/sr0 is probably a symlink or doesn't exist at all |
| 13:03.37 | greenmang0 | abrotman: but K3b is still complaining... let me check.... |
| 13:03.57 | abrotman | so configure k3b to be smart |
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| 13:04.34 | jmary_ | Upgrade after upgrade of distro, the database scanning made by apt is getting slower and slower, like if apt was carrying the old versions and also scanning them. |
| 13:04.42 | jmary_ | Is there a way to solve that ? |
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| 13:04.59 | abrotman | or there are more packages |
| 13:05.45 | scorphus | how darn poor synaptics touchpad support, uh? |
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| 13:05.55 | scorphus | it stinks |
| 13:06.12 | abrotman | scorphus: missing a verb i think ? |
| 13:06.48 | scorphus | "is" |
| 13:07.00 | NoReflex | Hey guys! I have a rather strange issue with openssh-server. I can log into ssh from one public IP but I can't connect from another. I get connection refused. I checked the logs but didn't find anything... |
| 13:07.15 | scorphus | dpkg: help |
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| 13:07.55 | jmary_ | NoReflex, the not working has been blacklisted because of too many failed attemps or simply blacklisted. |
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| 13:08.16 | abrotman | scorphus: help with what? |
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| 13:08.42 | cybor0 | hello |
| 13:08.44 | NoReflex | jmary_: how can I unlock it; |
| 13:08.51 | scorphus | abrotman: sorry, it was meant to be a /MSG |
| 13:08.53 | cybor0 | i have disk with lvm2 file system |
| 13:09.05 | cybor0 | is one disk from raid0 how mount |
| 13:09.09 | jmary_ | NoReflex, I installed such stuff on a server to prevent brutal force attack, and got myself locked one time. |
| 13:09.22 | cybor0 | how mount this disck |
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| 13:09.56 | greenmang0 | abrotman: theres a symlink called "/dev/cdrom1" to /dev/hda... |
| 13:10.19 | abrotman | okay, and? |
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| 13:10.38 | greenmang0 | abrotman: running k3b as a root user detects my writer... "kdesu k3b" |
| 13:10.43 | jmary_ | NoReflex, a stuff like denyhosts is probably installed. If you're not admin where you want to login you can't do anything. |
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| 13:10.53 | abrotman | why are you running k3b as root? |
| 13:11.17 | greenmang0 | abrotman: but for normal user k3b keeps complaining... if i try to add device in devices list.. k3b says there's no such device |
| 13:11.21 | jmary_ | NoReflex, except writing your own remote exploit. |
| 13:11.24 | jmary_ | of course |
| 13:11.32 | greenmang0 | abrotman: because as a normal user k3b is not detecting DVD Writer |
| 13:11.47 | abrotman | greenmang0: configure it ... |
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| 13:12.31 | NoReflex | jmary_: I don't think I tried too many times from my IP...i believe two or three times...and I got connection refused from the beginning... |
| 13:12.42 | NoReflex | I have admin on that machine |
| 13:12.46 | jmary_ | NoReflex, 3 times is enough. |
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| 13:13.20 | jmary_ | My servers are configured to allow 3 times then to ban the ip and i left the default option for that. |
| 13:13.24 | NoReflex | jmary_: but connection refused from the first time....in auth.log I couldn't find my attempts.. |
| 13:13.55 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yeah.. i tried... but k3b simply says device not found.. i have even created symlinks in /dev/ - sr0 cdrom to /dev/hda.. but as a normal user k3b doesn't add them to their device list |
| 13:14.00 | abrotman | NoReflex: firewall ? |
| 13:14.02 | jmary_ | Look at the auth0_1_3.....log |
| 13:14.20 | jmary_ | they are rolling |
| 13:14.21 | NoReflex | abrotman: the firewall is configured to allow all... |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | greenmang0: ls -l /dev/hda ? |
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| 13:14.46 | greenmang0 | abrotman: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2009-11-23 17:59 /dev/hda |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | is your user in the cdrom group ? |
| 13:16.52 | NoReflex | jmary_: I tried to connect from my home computer and it worked... |
| 13:17.06 | iceroot | if i want to create a router which can act in 4 LANs, do i have to use eth0-3 and give an ip for every lan the router can act in? |
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| 13:18.17 | joltcan | iceroot: depends on how you want to segment it, but a subnet for each nic then the easiest way would be an IP for the router in each subnet |
| 13:18.46 | Robbie_ | that is mostly the point of routing ? :) |
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| 13:19.03 | Robbie_ | else a switch is sufficient |
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| 13:19.22 | greenmang0 | abrotman: no.. he's just in plugdev and his own group |
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| 13:19.57 | abrotman | add to cdrom group |
| 13:19.59 | joltcan | Robbie_: Yes, but ppl usually sucks at their terminology, so trying to understand what they really want is the toughest part |
| 13:20.00 | greenmang0 | abrotman: let me try adding it to cdrom.. and check what happens |
| 13:20.07 | greenmang0 | adding him* |
| 13:20.11 | iceroot | joltcan: ok, thank you |
| 13:20.40 | Robbie_ | joltcan: i was not meant to offend you :) but i know what you mean |
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| 13:22.46 | amol112 | hi to all like ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot is any way to do chroot from i386 to armel in debian system? |
| 13:22.51 | joltcan | Robbie_: Just go ahead, I'm used to it :) |
| 13:23.11 | amol112 | qemu-arm-static package is not avaialble in lenny |
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| 13:28.12 | jelly | amol112: is doing full emulation good enough? qemu package has qemu-system-arm |
| 13:29.45 | amol112 | jelly, i have installed armel using debootstrap http://emqbit.com/deboostrap-debian but now want to do chroot and install remainig packages |
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| 13:30.10 | amol112 | to run debootstrap --second-stage i require to do chroot |
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| 13:31.04 | amol112 | i have used qemu-asystem-arm after some time device name is getting changed like /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sdc1 |
| 13:31.05 | jelly | amol112: I don't know much about arm, but a 1 minute google search results in https://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
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| 13:31.52 | greenmang0 | abrotman: after adding user to cdrom group it started working :) thanks heaps |
| 13:32.05 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 13:32.53 | jelly | amol112: /msg dpkg arm points to #debian-arm on that other irc network (irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:33.38 | _adb | hmm a wiki.debian in https !!? |
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| 13:34.01 | jelly | http, https, same content |
| 13:34.29 | _adb | okey , ths |
| 13:35.59 | soopos | Does Cmd-Alt-SysRq-h by default in a fresh Debian installation? |
| 13:36.45 | soopos | * does Cmd... work by... |
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| 13:43.05 | macrobat | i think i had to set kernel.sysrq = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 13:43.26 | macrobat | im not sure how that works :) |
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| 13:44.48 | iceroot | is it enough to use eth0 and eth0:0 with 2 different ips to access both subnets? or must i use iptables? |
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| 13:45.02 | jelly | soopos: what is Sysrq-h supposed to do? |
| 13:45.11 | kermit | iceroot: its enough |
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| 13:45.36 | linduxed | how do i print what the currently logged in user is called? |
| 13:45.43 | kermit | linduxed: whoami |
| 13:45.46 | joltcan | iceroot: you should enable ip_forward as well |
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| 13:46.28 | iceroot | kermit: and there is no difference between eth0 + eth1 and eth0 + eth0_0? (expect one is virtual) |
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| 13:47.03 | kermit | iceroot: the difference is that eth1 and eth0 would be two different cards |
| 13:47.17 | d1b | kermit: usually. depends how you setup your udev :) |
| 13:47.35 | iceroot | kermit: yes, thats what i mean with virtual |
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| 13:47.49 | eshat | is there a way to install kde 4.3.3 on debian sid without compiling it ? They are waiting for 4.3.2 to get in testing, so that I have to get 4.3.3 from somewhere else... |
| 13:47.57 | jelly | soopos: on PCs, alt-sysrq-key is enough, and I think it is enabled by default |
| 13:48.04 | f00li5h | hrm, how can I ask dpkg what debvonf questions a package has available? |
| 13:48.45 | jelly | eshat: you'll want to ask about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:49.33 | iceroot | kermit: thank you for the infos |
| 13:49.40 | iceroot | kermit: now i will try my own router :) |
| 13:50.28 | eshat | jelly: I will, thanks |
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| 13:58.37 | MayaT | hello |
| 13:58.39 | MayaT | :) |
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| 13:58.48 | f00li5h | meows at MayaT |
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| 13:59.09 | leejongwook | can't find "grub-install" |
| 13:59.41 | leejongwook | i re-installed windows so i need to restore grub, anyone ? |
| 13:59.41 | jetscreamer | as root? |
| 13:59.47 | leejongwook | i see :) |
| 13:59.53 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 13:59.57 | leejongwook | found it :P |
| 13:59.58 | leejongwook | hehe |
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| 14:00.13 | leejongwook | bye ~ have nice day :) |
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| 14:02.57 | yoshx_ | hello |
| 14:03.06 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:03.46 | MayaT | ?????? |
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| 14:04.17 | MayaT | yoshx_, :: hello :) |
| 14:04.35 | yoshx_ | hello MayaT |
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| 14:05.49 | MayaT | yoshx_, :: how long u r using Debian? |
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| 14:06.19 | yoshx_ | 3 years i think |
| 14:06.34 | MayaT | waw.. |
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| 14:07.20 | MayaT | after i finish download this Debian tech me ok :) |
| 14:07.51 | MayaT | 23 hours... not finish yet :( |
| 14:07.53 | yoshx_ | sorry but i have to leave but i will stay connected |
| 14:08.02 | MayaT | ok |
| 14:08.08 | MayaT | no problem |
| 14:08.10 | MayaT | :) |
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| 14:09.14 | drw | please help me with dovecot |
| 14:09.57 | petemc | drw: you need to ask a real question before anyone can help you |
| 14:10.15 | MayaT | ???? |
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| 14:10.56 | evilhackerdude | mhm... running dpkg-reconfigure doesn't solve my perl locale warning problem... is there anything else i have to do in order to fix it? |
| 14:11.05 | Justin | evilhackerdude: install locales |
| 14:11.10 | evilhackerdude | i did |
| 14:11.17 | abbe | locale-gen ? |
| 14:11.42 | Justin | you did, as in, that package was not previously installed? |
| 14:11.44 | evilhackerdude | also did that, it generated en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 14:11.51 | evilhackerdude | Justin: it wasn't - right |
| 14:12.04 | evilhackerdude | perl says LANG = "en_US.ISO-8859-15" |
| 14:12.11 | evilhackerdude | although /etc/default/locales sets utf-8 |
| 14:12.33 | evilhackerdude | so maybe that file isn't read, misses other important variables or something... |
| 14:12.47 | Justin | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 14:12.58 | evilhackerdude | that's what i did in the first place - doesn't help |
| 14:13.20 | evilhackerdude | i selected en_US.UTF-8 and selected it as default |
| 14:14.08 | jetscreamer | ah that's..... dpkg-reconfigure console-date && dpkg-reconfigure locales? i forgot, been too long. |
| 14:14.18 | jetscreamer | err s/date/data/ |
| 14:14.24 | Justin | evilhackerdude: you selected ONLY that? |
| 14:14.36 | evilhackerdude | Justin: yes - bad? |
| 14:14.37 | jetscreamer | there's a file to set those also.... |
| 14:14.40 | Justin | yes, bad |
| 14:14.48 | hark | evilhackerdude: you have to logout first |
| 14:15.23 | evilhackerdude | hark: i did |
| 14:15.51 | jetscreamer | /etc/environment |
| 14:16.10 | hark | evilhackerdude: is this a vps? |
| 14:16.16 | evilhackerdude | hark: yes, linux-vserver |
| 14:16.21 | abbe | jetscreamer, that would be ugly...:( |
| 14:16.28 | evilhackerdude | seems like the debootstrap method forgot something |
| 14:16.28 | Justin | evilhackerdude: dpkg-reconfigure locales, enable all the en_US ones |
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| 14:17.11 | jetscreamer | shotgun approach! |
| 14:17.15 | abbe | :-D |
| 14:17.21 | Justin | jetscreamer: yeah, all what, 4 of them? |
| 14:17.28 | evilhackerdude | shotgun worked fine |
| 14:17.41 | jetscreamer | i don't enable the -15's iirc |
| 14:17.46 | jetscreamer | i forget that too though J:/ |
| 14:17.49 | evilhackerdude | jetscreamer: that's what perl wants :D |
| 14:17.59 | jetscreamer | i mean me personally |
| 14:18.08 | evilhackerdude | perl wouldn't like you |
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| 14:19.35 | jetscreamer | is that like a man_in_shack but totally different but not really? |
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| 14:19.52 | jetscreamer | sup |
| 14:20.47 | evilhackerdude | hark: are you maintaining any vps ports or why did you ask if i may ask omg infinite question loop, lol? |
| 14:21.51 | jetscreamer | seriously, i used to have that lang error like 2 years ago... iirc just dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't fix it, i also had to do console-common or console-data or something... sorry, been too long i'm too old and my brain is ossified |
| 14:22.38 | MayaT | :) |
| 14:22.45 | jetscreamer | is that etch? mighta been back when that version was sid |
| 14:22.53 | jetscreamer | err lenny.. :/ |
| 14:23.03 | jetscreamer | takes brain away |
| 14:23.37 | hark | evilhackerdude: aiui, LANG is set upon login by pam. that's why i asked if it was a vps |
| 14:24.36 | brbrbr | erm, anyone know that kFreeBSD port of Lenny is REALLY became part of mainstream? so it soon be shipped as "stable" version? |
| 14:24.39 | iceroot | i have a router in Subnet A and B, from Subnet A i want to go directly to Subnet B with SSH but i can only login in the router and then use ssh to access Subnet B. is there a way to go directly from sub a to the pc on sub b? someone say netcat but i never used netcat before and have not find an example in the manpages (i understand) |
| 14:25.07 | jetscreamer | (*that) |
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| 14:29.20 | Justin | iceroot: uhh, if you actually had a router, you could just SSH to subnet B |
| 14:29.32 | Justin | iceroot: since what you have is clearly not a router, what is it? |
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| 14:31.42 | XayOn_HQ | I'm still here |
| 14:31.46 | KukMan | Hi. I have question about schroot. How can I run program with arguments? |
| 14:31.57 | KukMan | kukman@arch ~$ schroot -p -c Arch32 wget -c http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif |
| 14:31.59 | KukMan | E: http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif: Chroot not found |
| 14:32.52 | abrotman | quote it ? |
| 14:33.06 | Justin | multi_io: the man page has examples |
| 14:33.06 | drw | I can't received main from external mail like as hotmail |
| 14:33.09 | Justin | grrr |
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| 14:33.38 | petemc | drw: that doesnt sound like a dovecot problem - whats your domain name? |
| 14:33.47 | KukMan | sorry. My X server crashed. And what about schroot? |
| 14:33.54 | Justin | KukMan: the manpage has examples |
| 14:34.01 | Justin | KukMan: one of those examples is for running commands with arguments |
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| 14:34.55 | KukMan | Justin: ok. Big thanks |
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| 14:39.07 | vlt | Hello. I have two Debian machines. On one machine I `dd if=somefile | nc remotehost 9999`, on the the other `nc -lp 9999 | dd of=somefile`. Any idea why the data stream appears as "bi" (not "bo") on the receiving machine's vmstat? |
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| 14:40.25 | xreal | Is this partitioning good for normal use? / 12%, /usr 45%, /var 23%, /home 10%, /tmp 10% |
| 14:40.39 | vlt | xreal: depends on the total size |
| 14:40.55 | EagleRock | xreal: that depends on a lot of things, including the size of your drive and the application of the machine |
| 14:41.09 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: why split everything out? |
| 14:41.20 | vlt | jpinx-eeepc: why not? |
| 14:41.26 | xreal | jpinx-eeepc: Any HowTo I've read does recommend partitioning. |
| 14:41.43 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: you're making the hdd work harder |
| 14:41.50 | franki^ | for "normal use" i'd stick with just / and /home tbh :\ |
| 14:41.51 | xreal | EagleRock>, vlt: 320 GB HDD, aprox. space for linux: 300 GB |
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| 14:42.02 | EagleRock | xreal: it is considered good practice to split certain partitions, but it might not be necessary if it is, for example, just a personal desktop |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | xreal: no one can know unless they know the purpose of the machine |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 14:42.09 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:42.16 | Justin | xreal: you are reading shitty howtos |
| 14:42.45 | xreal | Justin: That's why I am here. |
| 14:42.49 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: stick to debian.org howtos and you'll get saner answers |
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| 14:43.25 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: I have only one partition and no swap. |
| 14:43.54 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: you have to decide *why* you are partitioning - not just 'cos you read it somewhere |
| 14:44.13 | EagleRock | exactly |
| 14:44.13 | xreal | What is the benefit of partitioning ? |
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| 14:44.44 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: if you don't know the benefit - don't do it |
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| 14:45.03 | xreal | Okay, I will go for one partition on my desktop linux. |
| 14:45.29 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: are you doing a fresh install?/ |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | xreal: if it's a desktop, and it's the only OS on the box, i could see putting /home/ on its own partition, but the rest is kind of silly |
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| 14:45.56 | iceroot | Justin: a gateway i think. its in all 3 subnets, the pcs which have it as gateway can access everything but the pcs which have another gateway must ssh to my gateway/router and then use ssh to access the pcs behind |
| 14:45.56 | abrotman | xreal: and using LVM may help you reduce 'wasted space' |
| 14:46.22 | EagleRock | xreal: the benefit of having /home on a separate partition would be, for example, if you wanted to reinstall linux but keep your /home partitions and data on the drive |
| 14:46.29 | Justin | iceroot: are you doing this for security reasons, or is your routing just broken? |
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| 14:46.46 | iceroot | Justin: just learning something about networks |
| 14:46.48 | xreal | EagleRock: Thanks for this information! |
| 14:46.52 | xreal | How would you do partitioning for this application: A PostgreSQL-database with spatial information which is accessed from this computer only by an application, which renders maps from this spatial information. Also only one big partition? I thing, TEMP and SWAPPING might be important? |
| 14:47.12 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: I backup home to an external hdd - no need for it to be separat, and it reduces hdd load |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | xreal: depends on the machine, how much RAM you have, and the purpose of the machine |
| 14:47.28 | xreal | Also: 8 GB of RAM, 300-320 GB of HDD. |
| 14:47.36 | iceroot | Justin: and now i am searching for something like port-forwarding with inetd (i think inetd and netcat are a solution for it) |
| 14:48.01 | Justin | iceroot: can't really help you with made up problems |
| 14:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: sounds like you need to go with the defaults during install until you learn more about what special applications might need. |
| 14:48.57 | vlt | xreal: Having separate file systems for things like /tmp or /home allows you to set quotas or simply avoid the machine hanging when one of your users fills up /home, for example |
| 14:49.18 | xreal | Can't I set quotas to directories? |
| 14:49.22 | jpinx-eeepc | vlt: it's a sinlge user desktop |
| 14:49.56 | xreal | jpinx-eeepc: No, that's another example of use. |
| 14:50.04 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: why do you need quotas? |
| 14:50.07 | xreal | jpinx-eeepc: I've to equal machines: One for desktop, one for local server. |
| 14:50.21 | xreal | jpinx-eeepc: I don't need it right now, just wanted to ask it. |
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| 14:51.12 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: ok - I am just pointing out that knowing *why* you might need to do something is more important. |
| 14:51.26 | EagleRock | xreal: bottom line is that you should keep it simple until you know enough to make these decisions on your own, because it will make it easier for you to use |
| 14:51.39 | xreal | Okay. |
| 14:51.46 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: kiss ;) |
| 14:52.02 | EagleRock | if it is a desktop linux machine with the occasional DB testing or whatnot, you'll do just fine with /, swap, and maybe a separate /home |
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| 14:52.08 | EagleRock | worry about the server later |
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| 14:52.20 | xreal | EagleRock: I wanted to set them up both today ;.) |
| 14:52.22 | rgr | xreal: good advice. FWIW, allowing Debian to set up the "advanced" partitions backfired big time last year when /var filled up during a large update. |
| 14:52.45 | jpinx-eeepc | xreal: go with defaults then |
| 14:52.48 | petemc | rgr: would you rather the whole disk filled up? |
| 14:52.56 | rgr | What a silly thing to say. |
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| 14:53.15 | rgr | I would have preferred there was a gig more on that partition and the update succeeded. |
| 14:53.32 | Justin | hopes btrfs kills partitioning :) |
| 14:53.44 | EagleRock | rgr: another reason I love LVM... |
| 14:53.45 | rgr | Also one of the reasons I moved to LVM. |
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| 14:53.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin: amen to that ;) |
| 14:53.47 | rgr | snap! |
| 14:54.12 | jpinx-eeepc | will have to look into this LVM thing..... |
| 14:54.20 | EagleRock | this netbook is the first debian install I've done without LVM for a looong time |
| 14:54.27 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: and it supports mirroring in SW ... |
| 14:54.43 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr why would I need that? |
| 14:54.57 | rgr | No idea about you personally. But clearly many people do. |
| 14:55.13 | EagleRock | jpinx-eeepc: you probably wouldn't for a netbook...but it works wonders on server when you need to rearrange partition sizes |
| 14:55.35 | brbrbr | LVM adds serious benefits. scalability of storage and more easy-to-manage disc crypto too |
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| 14:56.06 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: I'l always open to new ideas ;) |
| 14:56.07 | rgr | is there any one stop method to convert an entire fixed partition install to LVM "over night" btw? |
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| 14:56.37 | brbrbr | sadly moving upstream too fast so sometime you unable to use install media in recovery mode, due to update LVM metadata and etc |
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| 14:56.47 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: ah - hardly applicable to this one-partition-wonder ;) |
| 14:56.51 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: it really is quite cool. The only thing that I think amiss is that somehow it decided to mirror over the two hard drives. Which totally destroyed the reason for mirroring (for me). Never figured that out. |
| 14:57.23 | jpinx-eeepc | does some reading |
| 14:57.29 | Justin | rgr: you didn't configure a mirror then |
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| 14:58.03 | rgr | Justin : well, if "mirror" in the lvm gui and "mirror" in the UI isn't a mirror then you might be right. It does seem strange I grant you. |
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| 14:59.33 | rgr | All I know is that the "mirror" is spread over the two physical devices. Its on my list to remove it and start it again. Possibly some combination of my incompetence and a bug caused it. |
| 14:59.47 | jpinx-eeepc | brbrbr: it appears the disc crypto increases the read/write operations - not somethign I'd want on my sdds ;) |
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| 15:00.24 | xNinja | hello...so which is the stable debian now ? and is it danger to use the new version ? maybe it has more packages or faster ? |
| 15:00.51 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: use lenny for now and backports for newer versions of packages |
| 15:00.53 | brbrbr | jpinx-eeepc why disc crypto should increase storage hardware overhead ? |
| 15:00.55 | saivin | xNinja, u mean the point release? |
| 15:01.33 | xNinja | let me check lenny |
| 15:01.38 | brbrbr | no, storage crypto little(on modern PC's) increase software overhead[not noticeable on 4-core CPU's even with 256 crypto wuth 128 -letters pwd] |
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| 15:01.44 | jpinx-eeepc | brbrbr: something I read somewhere -- I'm beginning to sound like an ooboontoo user ;) |
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| 15:01.54 | xNinja | saivin whats the differents between lenny and the newer version |
| 15:02.09 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: lenny is stable - Squeeze is not |
| 15:02.18 | brbrbr | inb short "Ubuntu is suxx". almost at same degree as Debian rocks |
| 15:02.29 | jpinx-eeepc | brbrbr: heh |
| 15:02.31 | xNinja | and whats the other different jpinx-eeepc ? |
| 15:02.37 | xNinja | newer packages ? |
| 15:02.47 | kgoetz | 4 core cpus? hardly the norm atm o_0 |
| 15:02.49 | Titan8990 | !tell xNinja about stable |
| 15:02.53 | Titan8990 | !tell xNinja about testing |
| 15:02.57 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: you can get newer packages in lenny using backports |
| 15:03.07 | brbrbr | uses 6-core CPU-powered PC at work |
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| 15:03.22 | brbrbr | so its only you IMO, kgoetz |
| 15:03.24 | ranix | !version chasing |
| 15:03.24 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, it just means newer. Debian's "stable" release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed and for selected packages you can use backports.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <backports.org> Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
| 15:03.26 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: if you don't know what the difference is - use stable ;) |
| 15:03.32 | xNinja | i am sick of redhat/centos dependencies nightmare :D how much cool apt-get is how much time and mind saving ! i wish the other os`s doing something like that |
| 15:03.33 | kgoetz | brbrbr: hm? |
| 15:03.34 | saivin | lenny is 5 interms of numerical identification. they keep updating/patching and release point releases to 5 series. currently it is 5.0.3 i guess. |
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| 15:03.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: cool factoid - thanks :) |
| 15:03.54 | ranix | ;) |
| 15:03.54 | brbrbr | kgoetz 4x-core CPU is common and mainstream |
| 15:03.58 | xNinja | debian-5.0-x86 = lenny ? |
| 15:04.05 | kgoetz | brbrbr: rubbish |
| 15:04.05 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: yes |
| 15:04.06 | ranix | themill invoked it last week if I recall |
| 15:04.14 | brbrbr | kgoetz nonsense |
| 15:04.35 | xNinja | is there different in packages between 64/32 ? |
| 15:04.38 | kgoetz | well, i think we've covered that argument in full |
| 15:04.41 | kgoetz | *grins* |
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| 15:05.10 | brbrbr | who those "we", are you talking about ? man "disc crypto" 1st, then[try] to argue |
| 15:05.10 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: search in debian.org |
| 15:05.18 | ranix | xNinja: yes, 64-bit packages are compiled for 64-bit systems and will generally not work on 32-bit hardware |
| 15:05.20 | saivin | xNinja, they are but not the ones that we regular users can make out. |
| 15:05.44 | ranix | xNinja: it has to do with the sizeof pointers |
| 15:05.47 | ranix | among other things |
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| 15:05.56 | kgoetz | brbrbr: seems you lack humour as well as reality :/ 4 core cpus might be common in your world, but not for most people |
| 15:06.11 | xNinja | is there big different in speed between 64/32 ? as i will use it in my VPS |
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| 15:06.21 | ranix | xNinja: not much if any |
| 15:06.25 | brbrbr | kgoetz very "serious" answer, tnx |
| 15:06.27 | Titan8990 | kgoetz, 4core and 2core CPUs are about the same price now |
| 15:06.45 | Titan8990 | kgoetz, with single core CPUs long gone |
| 15:06.48 | xNinja | i like to stick with the standard is most of the things will work |
| 15:06.58 | brbrbr | after 6xx series of AMD breaking, Intel forced to lower prices too |
| 15:06.58 | Justin | xNinja: how much ram do you have? |
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| 15:07.22 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: I repeat - install stable and backports for newer versions of packages if you need them |
| 15:07.29 | xNinja | in my vps 256 bustable to 512 |
| 15:07.32 | kgoetz | Titan8990: that doesn't make the common (yet) |
| 15:07.46 | saivin | xNinja, i second jpinx-eeepc's opinion |
| 15:07.52 | brbrbr | point is there is no reason to buy "less-than-4-cores-CPU", now. and not much reasons is to support less-Capable CPU's too |
| 15:07.54 | xNinja | jpinx-eeepc yeah i will :D |
| 15:08.00 | Titan8990 | kgoetz, for computer geeks I would say that it is |
| 15:08.02 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: ;) |
| 15:08.14 | brbrbr | kgoetz stating you IMO as reality is hardly irrealistic |
| 15:08.38 | kgoetz | Titan8990: I don't think i know anyone with more then 2 cores. infact, i'm not aware of coming in contact with anyone, geek or not, with more then two. |
| 15:08.39 | jelly | xNinja: in general, amd64 arch uses a bit more ram. Apps may be faster, slower, or no noticeable difference -- depends on your apps. Benchmark them if you need. |
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| 15:09.07 | franki^ | well, personally i don't know anyone with a quad core either :\ |
| 15:09.28 | macrobat | maybe there is a difference between the i686 and x86_64 wine |
| 15:09.31 | jelly | xNinja: in a memory-strained VPS, I'd guess i386 to be a better generic server option |
| 15:09.35 | jpinx-eeepc | do 6x cores exist yet in production? |
| 15:10.07 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: only 6? |
| 15:10.22 | OpenTokix | in one package, I assume he means |
| 15:10.36 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, yes, there are 6 core CPUs |
| 15:10.39 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: 6-core Xeons are about a year old |
| 15:10.42 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, not quite practical to buy |
| 15:11.07 | xNinja | thanks a lot |
| 15:12.01 | Justin | sun sells quad 8 core CPU boxes |
| 15:12.02 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: you're welcome and come back for help with stuff as you get into it. :) |
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| 15:13.59 | olspookishmagus | any workaround about how I will be able to install ogmrip |
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| 15:14.43 | petemc | olspookishmagus: what happens when you try? |
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| 15:16.05 | olspookishmagus | petemc: this: http://pastebin.com/d39d8c313 |
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| 15:17.00 | ttick | dpkg PAE |
| 15:17.00 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
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| 15:17.44 | \amethyst | olspookishmagus: running squeeze? |
| 15:17.45 | Justin | pretty sure it still limits you to 4Gish per process |
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| 15:18.07 | \amethyst | olspookishmagus: you might try getting the libfaad0 package from unstable |
| 15:18.18 | \amethyst | olspookishmagus: err, from stable |
| 15:18.20 | olspookishmagus | \amethyst: yes, it's pretty squeezed here |
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| 15:18.59 | \amethyst | olspookishmagus: but there's no package called 'ogmrip' in debian |
| 15:19.58 | hugo | is there a way to get xen >3.2.1 with lenny using official packages, in a sane way? or should I go with squeeze |
| 15:20.03 | olspookishmagus | # aptitude search ogmrip |
| 15:20.03 | olspookishmagus | ... |
| 15:20.03 | olspookishmagus | p ogmrip - Application for ripping and encoding DVD |
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| 15:20.27 | valdyn | judd: versions ogmrip |
| 15:20.28 | judd | valdyn: ogmrip -- lenny-multimedia: 0.12.3-0.0 sid-multimedia: 0.13.2-0.1 squeeze-multimedia: 0.13.2-0.1 |
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| 15:20.35 | \amethyst | oh, debian-multimedia |
| 15:20.43 | xNinja | jpinx-eeepc thanks :) |
| 15:20.59 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: yw :) |
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| 15:23.47 | cusco | hi |
| 15:23.50 | cusco | -bash: /home/perfDesk/perfDesk/perfDesk: No such file or directory |
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| 15:24.09 | cusco | the file is there |
| 15:24.14 | cusco | :( |
| 15:24.46 | cusco | devel:~# file /home/perfDesk/perfDesk/perfDesk |
| 15:24.46 | cusco | /home/perfDesk/perfDesk/perfDesk: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped |
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| 15:25.13 | kgoetz | cusco: chmod +x the file |
| 15:25.20 | cusco | ah yes |
| 15:25.20 | cusco | ok |
| 15:25.24 | cusco | :/ |
| 15:25.50 | qp_pq | is unison very different from rsync or are they the same thing ? |
| 15:26.05 | Justin | qp_pq: apt-cache show unison rsync |
| 15:26.12 | cusco | kgoetz: I did. it still happens |
| 15:26.13 | cusco | :( |
| 15:26.19 | kgoetz | qp_pq: its different. check unisons readme |
| 15:26.21 | \amethyst | qp_pq: unison is designed for two-way synchronization |
| 15:26.37 | kgoetz | cusco: what did you run to get the error? |
| 15:26.43 | cusco | /home/perfDesk/perfDesk/perfDesk |
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| 15:27.19 | \amethyst | cusco: is this a 64-bit or a 32-bit system? |
| 15:27.24 | cusco | 64 |
| 15:27.26 | cusco | :/ |
| 15:27.27 | evilhackerdude | what's the cleanest way to modify/set the PATH variable system-wide? /etc/environment, /etc/profile, ....? |
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| 15:27.34 | \amethyst | cusco: then you need ia32-libs |
| 15:27.48 | \amethyst | cusco: or at least libc6-i386 |
| 15:27.49 | qp_pq | \amethyst: so then rsync A B;rsync B A; is equivalent to unison A B ? |
| 15:27.49 | cusco | should it state an error other then no such file? |
| 15:28.00 | cusco | ok thanks \amethyst |
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| 15:28.35 | \amethyst | qp_pq: not exactly, but similar |
| 15:28.51 | qp_pq | \amethyst: if you say not exactly can you tell me one thing that differs ? |
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| 15:30.47 | \amethyst | qp_pq: unison is smarter about conflicting changes, where the file has been updated in both copy |
| 15:31.21 | \amethyst | qp_pq: it keeps metadata about the replicas to assist with this (so it can tell what has changed since the last sync) |
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| 15:32.29 | qp_pq | \amethyst: so it knows how to solve conflicts ? |
| 15:32.34 | qp_pq | \amethyst: is that what you're telling me ? |
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| 15:32.50 | \amethyst | qp_pq: it will alert the user to conflicts |
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| 15:32.58 | Leoneof` | ^_^ |
| 15:33.07 | \amethyst | qp_pq: it can't resolve them automatically since it doesn't want to lose data |
| 15:33.22 | \amethyst | qp_pq: perhaps you should read the docs http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/releases/stable/unison-manual.html |
| 15:33.38 | Leoneof` | i have some Ubuntu software, it will work in Debian? |
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| 15:33.51 | jhutchins | evilhackerdude: environment is for pam. |
| 15:34.08 | jhutchins | Not sure where the path is configured, we were looking for that the other day. |
| 15:34.16 | valdyn | evilhackerdude: theres no "system-wide" setting |
| 15:34.27 | jhutchins | Found a lot of stuff that modified it, but not the primary setting. |
| 15:34.38 | Leoneof` | :| |
| 15:34.53 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 15:34.53 | dpkg | from memory, dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
| 15:34.57 | valdyn | evilhackerdude: ^^^ |
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| 15:35.04 | qp_pq | \amethyst: yeah I've read the Tutorial from the docs |
| 15:35.05 | qp_pq | \amethyst: I don't really think you know the answer to my question |
| 15:35.05 | qp_pq | \amethyst: so we'll just leave it at that thanks anyway |
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| 15:35.40 | Justin | qp_pq: maybe you should go read the documentation |
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| 15:35.53 | evilhackerdude | thanks |
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| 15:36.02 | Leoneof` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:36.41 | Ilie | I installed debian 5.0 and set the partitioning to server style, that resulted n a small / , my root is 98 % full |
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| 15:37.00 | qp_pq | Ilie: lool , so resize partitions |
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| 15:37.04 | Ilie | I tryed to install something to /opt, but it says it's full, what can I do to get a bigger space on /opt ? |
| 15:37.06 | Titan8990 | Leoneof`, depends on the software. short answer, no |
| 15:37.09 | qp_pq | Ilie: but do you need to do that ? |
| 15:37.22 | qp_pq | Ilie: qparted I think |
| 15:37.46 | Ilie | thanks for the tips guys, I hope it works |
| 15:37.49 | Titan8990 | qp_pq, I doubt his server will have the graphical environment needed for qparted |
| 15:37.51 | Justin | Ilie: how small is small? what other partitions do you have? |
| 15:37.52 | Leoneof` | Titan8990, whats the different between ubuntu and debian? O_O |
| 15:37.57 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 15:37.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:38.16 | jhutchins | valdyn: Server is down at www.dotfiles.com |
| 15:38.27 | qp_pq | Ilie: what tips man ? |
| 15:38.33 | Ilie | http://pastebin.com/d4c596c11 |
| 15:38.34 | qp_pq | Ilie: noone gave you any |
| 15:38.37 | Ilie | this is my partition layout |
| 15:39.03 | Ilie | the tip was that I can resize my partition with qparted or gparted (I aded this) |
| 15:39.18 | jhutchins | Ilie: I recommend a single partition + swap. Otherwise you run into space problems sooner or later. |
| 15:39.32 | Leoneof` | Titan8990, i have ubuntu, and i see that Ubuntu is based on Debian, but how about the Gui in Debian? Terminal? same commands? or it is different? |
| 15:39.41 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
| 15:39.48 | jhutchins | Ilie: Note that resizing a partition with data takes longer than backing it up, resizing it, and restoring it. |
| 15:40.05 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Debian server's good too. |
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| 15:40.27 | Ilie | :( I worked a few houres to customize my instalation, I don't think reinstalling is the answer if that's what you suggest jhutchins |
| 15:40.44 | jhutchins | Leoneof`: Anything available in *buntu is available in Debian, you may be expected to set it up yourself. |
| 15:41.03 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, thats not true |
| 15:41.03 | jhutchins | Ilie: Back it up, rezise, restore. |
| 15:41.11 | Leoneof` | oh O.o |
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| 15:41.48 | cusco | hmmmm another question... |
| 15:41.49 | jhutchins | Leoneof`: Not sure if it defaults to Gnome or KDE, I think the installer usually gives you a choice. |
| 15:41.49 | cusco | error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:42.05 | cusco | but locate libgcc_s.so.1 shows: /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 15:42.30 | cusco | I guess I need the 32bit version |
| 15:42.53 | cusco | how do I get the 32 bit version of it? |
| 15:43.10 | Leoneof` | ^_^ |
| 15:43.20 | Leoneof` | *downloading* |
| 15:43.54 | iceroot | shouldnt this line forward everything on port 2222 to another pc on port 22? 2222 stream tcp nowait.400 nobody /bin/netcat nc -w 10.10.10.10 22 (ip is just an example) |
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| 15:44.04 | iceroot | in /etc/indetd.conf |
| 15:44.22 | iceroot | inetd.conf |
| 15:44.44 | \amethyst | cusco: apt-file search libgcc_s.so.1 shows lib32gcc1: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 15:44.54 | \amethyst | cusco: so that's the package |
| 15:46.05 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Which part of my earlier statement to Leoneof` did you not agree with? |
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| 15:46.38 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, all software in ubuntu is available in debian |
| 15:46.59 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Example? |
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| 15:47.04 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, firefox |
| 15:47.17 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, w/e they call their restriced driver manager |
| 15:47.20 | jhutchins | Titan8990: You can install firefox from the mozilla.org packages. |
| 15:47.24 | cusco | \amethyst: ahh I did search with different terms, right, thanks |
| 15:47.25 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, cairo-dock |
| 15:47.29 | hugo | would it be an extremely bad practice to install a few packages from testing on lenny? will it cause problems later? |
| 15:47.39 | Titan8990 | !tell hugo about ssb |
| 15:47.54 | Titan8990 | hugo, check backports first, then check out the pm about ssb |
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| 15:49.40 | hugo | Titan8990, I'll read through all this, thanks.. more questions later :p |
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| 15:50.53 | Leoneof` | no Firefox in Debain? :/ |
| 15:51.10 | cusco | Leoneof`: use iceweasel |
| 15:51.35 | Leoneof` | but i love firefox ^_^ |
| 15:51.42 | rgr | Leoneof`: same things .. :-; |
| 15:51.47 | cusco | then you shall love iceweasel :) |
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| 15:52.33 | Leoneof` | yes i will give it a try ^_^ |
| 15:52.40 | cusco | ^^ |
| 15:52.43 | rgr | whats this ^-^ with every line?? |
| 15:52.49 | Leoneof` | lol |
| 15:52.55 | cusco | a smiley |
| 15:52.57 | goldins | is there an openssh deb that's precompiled with opensc? |
| 15:53.00 | Leoneof` | two eyes |
| 15:53.06 | goldins | or a apt repository that contains such? |
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| 15:55.12 | jhutchins | wHOO. Finally found it: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Path.html |
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| 15:55.59 | kruM | Hi there, is there any way to mark a package essentiell using apt configuration? |
| 15:56.08 | rgr | !tell rgr about ssb |
| 15:56.18 | Titan8990 | !tell rgr about selftell |
| 15:56.33 | rgr | ... |
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| 15:57.53 | rgr | is that ssb thing only relevant for sid to stable then? It specifically states sid. |
| 15:58.02 | xNinja | so denyhosts is coming by default in debian now |
| 15:58.08 | valdyn | rgr: no |
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| 15:59.03 | Titan8990 | rgr, I would say from any foreign repo |
| 15:59.07 | iluminator101 | Hi i am trying to install brother mfc all in one in 64bit squeeze any suggestions, brother only has 32 driver how do i install that on 64bit, thanks in advance |
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| 16:00.17 | hugo | any simple way to see which files were installed by a given package? |
| 16:00.29 | Titan8990 | hugo, dpkg -L <package> |
| 16:00.34 | hugo | ty :) |
| 16:01.17 | valdyn | iluminator101: is that a printer? |
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| 16:02.19 | pom | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.53 | iluminator101 | valdyn:yes printer and scanner |
| 16:03.11 | valdyn | iluminator101: printer drivers dont usually involve a binary at all |
| 16:03.12 | pom | Some sort of ssh-tunnel mount or equal. |
| 16:03.26 | valdyn | iluminator101: which means its not 32-bit, its not x-bit at all |
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| 16:03.52 | iluminator101 | when i try to dpkg it says wrong architecture |
| 16:04.20 | Justin | valdyn: key word: usually |
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| 16:05.23 | valdyn | iluminator101: because the package is i386 that does not imply anything else |
| 16:05.30 | hugo | Titan8990: you seem to be on top of your game, I'm asking these questions because I'm not having much success booting up xen domUs with HVM, from googling around the problem seems to be a build option, vmxassist; so I thought about manually compiling xen, installing squeeze, installing packages from testing (xen 3.3 doesn't seem to suffer from this problem) or recompiling the debian package with vmxassist=n .. have you by any chance seen someone else with |
| 16:05.30 | hugo | the same problem? I plan to exhaust all these options but I'm a bit short on time |
| 16:05.32 | rgr | pom: can you be more specific. What website where? What is it you specifically want to do? If its autogenerated (how is that pertinent) static content then I guess it doesnt change much? Why can you not scp it over? It's not clear (to me) what it you want to do, |
| 16:05.33 | jhutchins | hugo: A lot of people run a mix of stable and testing, sometimes even unstable, especially for a desktop. I know there's info on the practice under "apt pinning", surely other places as well. |
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| 16:06.07 | hugo | it's a test box so I'm free to wreak havoc |
| 16:06.10 | jhutchins | hugo: make backups, change one thing at a time. |
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| 16:06.16 | rgr | pom: on third reading you want the web server to read files on your machine across the "net"? |
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| 16:06.30 | jhutchins | hugo: Even if it's only a test box, it's nice to be able to restore to a snapshot from just before you broke it. |
| 16:06.35 | pom | rgr: Yes, but only as it is generated. Let me give you the scenario. |
| 16:06.48 | iluminator101 | valdyn:so you are saying install it from source instead of the .deb ??? |
| 16:07.30 | valdyn | iluminator101: how the hell would i *know* anything without seeing the driver |
| 16:07.30 | xxtjaxx | somebody knows where the soundjuicer guys is hanging around? |
| 16:07.30 | hugo | jhutchins, I'm trying one thing at a time now. besides the lvm configuration which I'll be able to keep from reinstall to reinstall (it has 5 disks in it), I don't mind losing the rest |
| 16:07.30 | Titan8990 | hugo, I have not worked with xen so the best I would be able to do is point you to the debian xen documentation |
| 16:07.30 | valdyn | iluminator101: im just blindly guessing |
| 16:07.31 | Titan8990 | !tell hugo about xen |
| 16:07.47 | Titan8990 | hugo, asside from SUSE, most distros spend more time working on KVM |
| 16:07.48 | kruM | Is there any way to prevent apt-get/aptitude removing a package which has not been built as essential package? |
| 16:09.08 | hugo | I'll continue my explorations, thanks Titan8990 and jhutchins |
| 16:09.27 | pom | rgr: We upload all content and put it in a folder called "source" as a md5_checksum as filename. At any given request, we check the cache if there is HTML-content. If not PHP, begins creating HTML-content. If it runs across some sort of meda it checks to see if there is a thumb/video/whatever generated. If not, it generates it as well as the particular HTML (this generated file I want to put on another server which will send it to the client). How |
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| 16:10.17 | pom | The "client" being a guy browsing our site. |
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| 16:11.10 | rgr | so you want a seperate server for your multimedia files which you dynamically generate if they do not already exist? |
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| 16:11.18 | pom | rgr, exactly. |
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| 16:11.38 | rgr | And this server will then serve it to the client indicating it too must be a web server? |
| 16:11.48 | pom | Yes. |
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| 16:12.20 | pom | rgr, a small CDN if you will. |
| 16:12.25 | pom | tiny even |
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| 16:13.12 | rgr | well, the first thing that pops into my unimaginative mind is for your "creative php server" to write to the media files to a directory which is simply an sshfs mount. I would ask the PHP guys in #php or the (slightly difficult) guys in #httpd to be honest. |
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| 16:14.27 | pom | rgr: sshfs... I will look into that. Btw I'm not able to access #php for the last few days. |
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| 16:15.41 | rgr | you need to register your nick |
| 16:16.05 | rgr | they are ok there : its #css which is by far the worst ... :-; |
| 16:16.16 | xxtjaxx | hi somebody known to some packaging and can tell me why this happens ?`http://pastebin.com/m50d38122 |
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| 16:16.41 | pom | rgr: That's because CSS should be remade from scratch... almost. ;) |
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| 16:17.16 | rgr | pom: no - its becuase they're a bunch of blowhards. The closer you get to "web design" the worse people become. Weird. It should be a new law like Godwins. |
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| 16:17.26 | user_ | hello |
| 16:17.34 | pom | rgr: Thanks for the register-tip. I was registerd, but not identified yet. |
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| 16:17.37 | rgr | Not all of course :-) |
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| 16:18.00 | leejongwook | i need to re-install grub, and this is debian-live usb, and can't find 'grub-install' command |
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| 16:18.38 | joltcan | leejongwook: mount the real disk somewhere (i.e. /target), then chroot to that place (i.e. chroot /target) |
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| 16:18.57 | joltcan | leejongwook: then you can use your normal commands (and maybe mount /proc when you have chrooted) |
| 16:19.06 | user_ | oops |
| 16:19.21 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: sorry couldn't see yours |
| 16:19.29 | leejongwook2 | pressed wrong key |
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| 16:19.44 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: say again please ? |
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| 16:19.57 | joltcan | leejongwook2: mount the real disk somewhere (i.e. /target), then chroot to that place |
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| 16:20.06 | joltcan | hen you can use your normal commands (and maybe mount /proc when you have chrooted) |
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| 16:21.06 | leejongwook2 | i tried, mount the debian drive and ran chroot, and #/sbin/chroot : grub-install /dev/sda |
| 16:21.17 | leejongwook2 | but didn't work |
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| 16:21.37 | leejongwook2 | WormFood: hi :) |
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| 16:22.37 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: sudo: unable to resolve host debian |
| 16:22.48 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: /dev/sda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 16:22.50 | JordiGH | Is there a way to prevent access to a directory by requiring a password? Can ACLs do that? |
| 16:23.00 | leejongwook2 | root@debian:/sbin# sudo ./grub-install /dev/sda |
| 16:23.54 | joltcan | JordiGH: not by password, no |
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| 16:24.02 | joltcan | JordiGH: what do you really want to do? |
| 16:24.15 | JordiGH | joltcan: I want to prevent access to a directory by requiring a password. |
| 16:24.23 | joltcan | leejongwook2: you don't need to sudo, you are root (the # gives it away) |
| 16:24.28 | JordiGH | joltcan: The other thing I can think of is to make a separate encrypted partition. |
| 16:24.38 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: yes :) |
| 16:24.44 | joltcan | JordiGH: yes, partition or file was my suggestion |
| 16:24.47 | leejongwook2 | joltcan: forgot |
| 16:24.54 | leejongwook2 | to skip it |
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| 16:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | asaleem: flash video expects to see alsa. |
| 16:26.40 | leejongwook2 | root@debian:/# fdisk -l |
| 16:26.41 | leejongwook2 | cannot open /proc/partitions |
| 16:26.48 | rgr | asaleem: probably your mixer settings. install gnome-alsamixer and ensure pcm etc are enabled. |
| 16:27.09 | iluminator101 | Hi i am trying to install brother mfc all in one in 64bit squeeze any suggestions, brother only has 32 driver how do i install that on 64bit, thanks in advance |
| 16:27.13 | asaleem | jhutchins, I use alsa |
| 16:27.28 | rgr | just went rhough alsa hell trying to get mpd working properly on a seperate mixer channel but has it all working now). |
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| 16:28.30 | petemc | is there a command to list all users of a group? |
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| 16:28.49 | petemc | or users who are members of a group, to be more accurate |
| 16:28.59 | subopt | How do i find out what '^x' maps to in xterms on my system? |
| 16:29.07 | Justin | petemc: getent group |
| 16:29.41 | petemc | Justin: not quite |
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| 16:30.18 | abrotman | petemc: why not? |
| 16:30.42 | asaleem | rgr, when I start gnome-alsamixer, it does not show anything. when I click sound card card properties in it, it juts crashes |
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| 16:30.53 | petemc | abrotman: because that doesnt output what i need |
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| 16:31.09 | abrotman | not like 'getent group video' ? |
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| 16:31.46 | petemc | hmm, maybe |
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| 16:32.36 | rgr | asaleem: sorry to hear that, I would be the last to defend alsa/gnome stability. I think the whole thing is a mess :( "Alas" Alsa works for me on both Lenny and testing. |
| 16:33.12 | cahoot | asaleem: cat /proc/asound/cards - any listed? |
| 16:33.28 | asaleem | rgr, I use Etch. I had issues with video in Lenny do I downgraded for now |
| 16:33.42 | abrotman | what kind of video issues? |
| 16:33.59 | jhutchins_lt | asaleem: Might be something on the forums, look for "flash video sound" and maybe your sound card or "lenny" or whatever you're running. |
| 16:34.08 | asaleem | cahoot, yes. This is the output 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
| 16:34.08 | asaleem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.16 | rgr | also do "sudo update-pciids" and "sudo update-usbids" from command lines and lspci can show you your pci card. |
| 16:34.18 | asaleem | I do hear sound using aplay |
| 16:34.44 | cahoot | asaleem: plain alsamixer dies too? |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | do you have the alsa OSS compat stuff loaded ? |
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| 16:35.02 | asaleem | jhutchins, I do not hear any sound even with players like totem, vlc |
| 16:35.04 | rgr | its not only flash. Its gnome too he says. |
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| 16:35.20 | rgr | It will be for sure a mixer issue. Did you try alsamixer from commandline? |
| 16:35.52 | rgr | check you dont have an "old" or "rogue" ~/.asoundrc too. |
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| 16:36.16 | asaleem | cahoot, plain alsamixer works |
| 16:36.51 | rgr | what about system/preferences/sound ? |
| 16:36.54 | cahoot | asaleem: gnome not set to use esd by chance? |
| 16:37.07 | Leoneof` | anyone know easy distro for stupid user? :/ |
| 16:37.18 | cahoot | win7? |
| 16:37.18 | petemc | ubuntu |
| 16:37.40 | Leoneof` | ubuntu wont be easy :| |
| 16:37.44 | abrotman | Leoneof`: if you're not going to use Debian, ask ##linux |
| 16:38.17 | Leoneof` | abrotman: it is not for me, but someone dont know alot about OS |
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| 16:38.46 | abrotman | okay .. so if they don't want Debian, ask ##linux |
| 16:38.59 | Leoneof` | ok, thanks ^^ |
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| 16:40.23 | asaleem | cahoot, it is set to alsa |
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| 16:43.03 | asaleem | I can hear the sound now, I do not know what worked |
| 16:43.33 | asaleem | Now i have issue with youtubes |
| 16:44.21 | asaleem | I will search flash videos sound in the forum as suggested bu jhutchins |
| 16:44.28 | asaleem | Thanks for the help |
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| 16:46.34 | Cromag | i HAVE to see that! |
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| 16:47.26 | ewet- | hi, is there a swiss army knife rescue cd with debian tools onboard -- especially dpkg and apt update-alternatives and so on? |
| 16:47.47 | darksigns | hi |
| 16:48.04 | pom | I'm having trouble getting one of my computers to boot. It's running Debian, recently upgraded to Lenny. It stops at "Waiting for root filesystem" except when I boot with my earliest kernel "2.6.18-5-486". Later kernels are listed as -686. |
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| 16:48.45 | ewet- | is this the reason why the freenode webclient is banned? |
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| 16:49.53 | TheJoe | So I have an rt73usb device for wifi, any way of getting to work with netinst? Or do any of the package CDs have the necessary packages included on them? |
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| 16:54.57 | pom | Oh, I found the solution. |
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| 16:56.30 | hark | TheJoe: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
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| 16:58.43 | TheJoe | hark: Ok that's good, but before I go that route, is it on any of the package CDs? Is there a way to search through what's included on what CD at all? |
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| 16:59.09 | cusco | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed |
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| 16:59.11 | cusco | 091123 16:58:24 [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied |
| 16:59.14 | homecable | anyone want to help me setting up a public shell server ? |
| 16:59.14 | cusco | what is wrong? |
| 16:59.21 | JordiGH | Is there a way to fetch all the build-dep's sources? |
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| 16:59.27 | themill | homecable: wrong channel. |
| 16:59.30 | JordiGH | aptitude build-dep-src package or something. |
| 16:59.38 | cusco | homecable: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 16:59.40 | cusco | :p |
| 16:59.43 | themill | cusco: run it as root, most likely. |
| 16:59.49 | cusco | themill: im root |
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| 17:00.43 | themill | TheJoe: check to see if your hd? drives have become sd? through the upgrade process. /msg dpkg waiting root |
| 17:00.58 | JordiGH | How are aptitude and apt-get nowadays? Any reason to use apt-get instead of aptitude other than less typing? |
| 17:01.14 | TheJoe | themill: Wait what? |
| 17:01.19 | tomodachi | JordiGH: its supposed to handle dependencies better i hear |
| 17:01.21 | arvind_khadri | !why aptitude | JordiGH |
| 17:01.33 | themill | TheJoe: gah... not you |
| 17:01.43 | limpio | hi, i'm having problems with the Alt Gr key in my spanish kbd, i can't get the symbols i'm supposed to get. I'm using debian lenny, thx |
| 17:01.48 | JordiGH | !tell jordigh about why aptitude |
| 17:01.55 | hark | TheJoe: what is "it"? for cd contents /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 17:02.04 | hark | !tell JordiGH about selftell |
| 17:02.15 | TheJoe | hark: ndiswrapper or rt73usb... Honestly I can't remember what the package is |
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| 17:02.29 | hark | TheJoe: /msg dpkg rt73usb |
| 17:02.31 | JordiGH | hark: It was an example for arvind_khadri |
| 17:02.50 | hark | JordiGH: my bad |
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| 17:03.20 | djveer | hrmm... what do you guys use as your corporate intranet page? I"m trying to think of something that would be more useful than just a page full of links and a logo. |
| 17:03.29 | themill | JordiGH: less memory usage for apt-get; not as bright in being able to do things like forbid-version. aptitude has a better dependency resolver too. (And tab completion makes aptitude the same amount of typing that apt-get, fwiw) |
| 17:03.32 | hark | JordiGH: there's no aptitude source foo yet |
| 17:03.44 | JordiGH | hark: Yes there is. |
| 17:04.01 | JordiGH | hark: But aptitude build-dep-src, that would rawk. |
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| 17:04.42 | \amethyst | JordiGH: what version of aptitude has 'source'? build-dep, yes, but source? |
| 17:04.46 | themill | JordiGH: why would you want to get the source for all its build deps? |
| 17:05.21 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Oops. |
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| 17:05.32 | JordiGH | themill: Say you don't have root and you want to build from source locally. |
| 17:05.41 | pom | themill: I followed http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#how-to-recover and edited successfully. I really thought that would solve it, but I'm back on square one actually. |
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| 17:06.25 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I guess I was confused, oops. |
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| 17:07.15 | themill | JordiGH: I don't think anyone is really interested in writing a linux-from-scratch-as-non-root wrapper for aptitude. The one person in the world who would actually use that can just download the stuff themselves. |
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| 17:07.55 | Idle | is there a trick to making grub2 work on lenny? I'm trying to ditch lilo from this old box, and it seems that grub2 doesn't even try.. I don't even have a menu.lst |
| 17:08.17 | _Trinity_ | . |
| 17:08.21 | hark | Idle: menu.lst is for grub |
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| 17:08.33 | JordiGH | themill: Someone is trying to install Octave right now, but was daunted by all the dependencies that it entailed. |
| 17:08.35 | Idle | grub2 changed that then? |
| 17:08.38 | JordiGH | themill: On Debian, without root privs. |
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| 17:08.42 | ranix | Idle: grub2 is not grub, it's different. There's no menu.lst iirc |
| 17:09.03 | Idle | I was under the impression that grub2 was just a newer grub... :( |
| 17:09.04 | ranix | you probably want to use normal plain-old grub |
| 17:09.34 | Idle | yea, sounds like it... I don't really have the time to learn a whole new grub, especially when the old one worked so well |
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| 17:10.14 | Idle | sadly, grub was installed, but it was nowhere on this system... :( |
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| 17:10.19 | AmbrNewlearner | Hello, I installed debian a few minutes ago, but the problem is that there is Kubuntu 9.10 on another partition....and Kubuntu's GRUB (grub 2?)refuses to allow me to boot into Debian....What should I do now? |
| 17:10.32 | themill | JordiGH: the rebuilt packages still wouldn't be relocatable into $HOME, you're still going to need to mangle the build system on every single one of them, and probably undo some debian-specific patches which are only there to allow packaging into /usr/ rather than /usr/local/ for example. I really can't see it helping! |
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| 17:10.58 | hippomikko | Does anybody have any experience with Debian/Apache virtualhost weirdness? You can see what I mean in the 3rd post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47099 |
| 17:10.59 | Idle | huh, standard grub has no menu.lst either |
| 17:11.46 | AmbrNewlearner | Any ideas about how to boot into debian when GRUB2 is refusing to boot me into it? |
| 17:12.23 | _regenbogenspekt | is there anybody who can help me fixing a buggy dsdt file concerning the acpi modes, need help please |
| 17:12.56 | Idle | fantastic... seems no support for ext3 |
| 17:13.08 | Idle | this is obviously broken :( |
| 17:13.30 | JordiGH | themill: Hm, I suppose that's true. |
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| 17:13.52 | abrotman | AmbrNewlearner: boot ubuntu and run update-grub ? |
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| 17:14.40 | broken-iPod | I can't seem to find any conclusive information via Google, so how do I change which screen resolutions are supported by xorg? |
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| 17:15.07 | Irumbu_Moideen | hi all i have a query regarding debian installation |
| 17:15.33 | Irumbu_Moideen | i have Debian 5.0.3 first DVD |
| 17:15.47 | Irumbu_Moideen | i need to install it on about 60 machines on a network |
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| 17:15.58 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman, ok...here's the output: http://pastebin.com/f780c80e8 |
| 17:15.59 | cahoot | broken-iPod: I think you still need create modelines |
| 17:16.16 | Irumbu_Moideen | all the machines except one has no DVD drive |
| 17:16.21 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman, IT appears that GRUB has located debian |
| 17:16.21 | broken-iPod | cahoot, how? |
| 17:16.33 | Irumbu_Moideen | and no internet connection either |
| 17:16.37 | Irumbu_Moideen | how do i go about doing it ? |
| 17:16.38 | cahoot | broken-iPod: gtf is one tool |
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| 17:17.26 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman, let me reboot and see if I can boot into GRUB....ty :) |
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| 17:17.57 | AmbrNewlearner | *ubuntu <--- (not GRUB) |
| 17:18.00 | AmbrNewlearner | ;) |
| 17:18.17 | Irumbu_Moideen | ? |
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| 17:18.43 | broken-iPod | What do I do after running gtf? |
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| 17:20.12 | cahoot | broken-iPod: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 17:21.51 | Irumbu_Moideen | :( |
| 17:22.54 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:22.55 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 17:24.34 | Irumbu_Moideen | dpkg the installer does say about doing PXE boot, but doesnt say whether the boot image can look for ISOs over the network |
| 17:24.34 | dpkg | Irumbu_Moideen: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | !approx |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | bleh |
| 17:25.11 | Irumbu_Moideen | what was that ? |
| 17:25.20 | abrotman | use something like approx or apt-proxy to cache the packages |
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| 17:25.43 | Irumbu_Moideen | apt-cacher can work ? |
| 17:25.56 | Irumbu_Moideen | i have plans to setup an apt-cacher also |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | personally prefers approx .. but whatever floats your boat |
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| 17:27.52 | Irumbu_Moideen | i will checkout approx |
| 17:28.05 | Irumbu_Moideen | abrotman so with this i dont have to acces the internet at all ? |
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| 17:28.20 | NesWork | any one know where to get the source of 'libc6-prof'? |
| 17:28.20 | Irumbu_Moideen | i can make do with a server that has tftpd and dhcpd ? |
| 17:28.51 | HTT-Bird | hey, when I go into "Main Menu" under Preferences and go to create a launcher icon, I click OK in the dialog and the change doesn't appear <-- what gives? |
| 17:29.08 | HTT-Bird | NesWork, it should be the same as a normal libc6 source tree |
| 17:29.13 | HTT-Bird | just built with profiling on in the ./configure line |
| 17:29.24 | themill | NesWork: /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:30.52 | NesWork | themill, what is taht for? |
| 17:30.57 | ilumintator101 | whats the eqivalent of /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules in debian squeeze? |
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| 17:31.47 | NesWork | themill, oic.. that's a irc bot.. thx.. |
| 17:31.53 | HTT-Bird | o/ themill |
| 17:32.12 | jmary | Holly shit, I just did a portscan on my own network to find the ip of another of the computer with nmap -p 22 192.168.8.0/24 and I get some answers from address starting from network 202.106.199.0 |
| 17:32.20 | jmary | isn't that fantastic ? |
| 17:32.37 | jmary | Somebody has an aepxlanation ? |
| 17:32.40 | HTT-Bird | talk about things going bump on the 'net |
| 17:32.54 | themill | dpkg: tell ilumintator101 about apt-file |
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| 17:32.55 | HTT-Bird | maybe your router was forwarding the portscan packets out of your network? |
| 17:33.18 | jmary | How come my router would do that ? |
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| 17:33.29 | NesWork | themill, it dosen't tell me the link to download.. and i'm actually looking for "libc6-prof" |
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| 17:33.52 | themill | NesWork: and "apt-get source libc6-prof" doesn't work? |
| 17:33.53 | HTT-Bird | themill, how do I add an entry to the main GNOME menu? the obvious way, aka the "Main Menu" preferences applet, doesn't work. :( |
| 17:34.09 | themill | HTT-Bird: umm... what makes you think I'd know? |
| 17:34.31 | HTT-Bird | jmary, beats me :p |
| 17:34.39 | NesWork | themill, i think it downloading.. :-) |
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| 17:34.55 | ilumintator101 | how do i find the vendor and product id for my printer/scanner all in one |
| 17:35.03 | HTT-Bird | themill, well, you are the best chance I thought I had, considering nobody else was speaking up, heh |
| 17:35.16 | HTT-Bird | ilumintator101, lsusb |
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| 17:35.26 | HTT-Bird | should do the trick, unless it's networked or *shudders* parallel-port |
| 17:35.27 | themill | HTT-Bird: I don't touch gnome except with a large pole marked "aptitude purge". |
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| 17:35.37 | HTT-Bird | ah, you're a KDE or Xfce guy I take it, heh. |
| 17:36.02 | HTT-Bird | never mind then :) |
| 17:36.14 | jmary | HTT-Bird, I didn't touch anything on my f_____g router. |
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| 17:38.21 | HTT-Bird | jmary, sounds like whoever made the thing f****ed up then |
| 17:38.21 | HTT-Bird | either that, or just exclude your router from your portscan |
| 17:38.22 | HTT-Bird | probably 192.168.0.1, right? |
| 17:38.22 | ilumintator101 | thanks hit-bird, themill |
| 17:38.24 | pom | udevd[387]: error getting signalfd \n error sending message: Connection refused... then "Waiting for root file system..." I booted with hda1 => sda1. It boots successfully with older kernel. |
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| 17:38.28 | HTT-Bird | I got to go eat lunch tho |
| 17:38.30 | HTT-Bird | cya folks |
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| 17:39.44 | Stiopa | hello |
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| 17:41.10 | hugo | Titan8990, recompiling xen with env vmxassist=n dpkg-buildpackage ... worked, for future reference |
| 17:41.11 | Stiopa | Are there any precaution to change architecture (i386 -> amd64) of the whole system (sid) via apt? |
| 17:41.24 | hugo | freebsd hvm domU boots ok now :) |
| 17:41.49 | cantoma | guys, I am having the following problem trying to install matlab http://pastebin.com/m50d7d58a can someone help |
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| 17:43.20 | AmbrNewlearner | I started debian for the first time and it appears that I need some extra packages to run fluxbox |
| 17:44.02 | jmary | HTT-Bird : actually to scan 192.168.8.3-254/24 was having /24 and this made the mistake ... :P |
| 17:44.05 | AmbrNewlearner | I have already installed xinit, xdm, fluxbox using apt-get...what else do I need? |
| 17:44.59 | AmbrNewlearner | OR maybe I need to setup something? |
| 17:45.45 | AmbrNewlearner | Do I need xorg package? |
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| 17:46.43 | abrotman | AmbrNewlearner: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:47.17 | jmary | cantoma, apt-get install libxp6 |
| 17:47.29 | cantoma | jmary, thats done |
| 17:47.58 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman: Do I need to setup something or will X automatically start after installation of XORG? |
| 17:47.59 | cantoma | jmary, everything that apt-cache search libxp show i install it |
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| 17:48.22 | abrotman | AmbrNewlearner: should start if it can figure out your hardware |
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| 17:49.31 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman: ok...ty..anyways, updating GRUB as you suggested did my job :) |
| 17:49.36 | Spec | Fatal error. Gawk is missing from your computer. Please install gawk. You may find the package on Debian's website. How did I know you're running Debian? Because only Debian would be stupid enough not to include gawk in your distribution |
| 17:49.45 | Spec | :( |
| 17:49.50 | jmary | cantoma, did you try xsetup --help ? |
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| 17:53.12 | themill | Spec: mawk is included instead! (And it's smaller and does almost everything that you normally need awk to do without the GNU extensions that gawk has that can't be relied upon on every other unix-like environment. |
| 17:53.33 | Spec | themill: I didn't write this ancient script :) |
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| 17:54.01 | Spec | I don't even think I'm aware of the differences between gawk and awk. Is there a list of what the GNU extensions specifically provide? |
| 17:54.20 | themill | gawk documentation should list extensions. |
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| 17:54.48 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman: Do I need to tell XORG that I want fluxbox (already installed) ? |
| 17:54.51 | peterS | huh, does anyone use whatever value-add gawk may have? I always thought that if you wanted anything more than ancient standard awk, you used perl |
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| 17:55.07 | abrotman | AmbrNewlearner: try it and see |
| 17:55.22 | kermit | peterS: yes, i do a lot |
| 17:55.42 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman: Will creating ~/.xinitrc with "exec startfluxbox" start fluxbox? |
| 17:55.52 | abrotman | dpkg: marry kermit and Piggy |
| 17:55.52 | dpkg | kermit, do you take Piggy to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Piggy, do you take kermit? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 17:55.57 | abrotman | runs away .. fast |
| 17:55.59 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman: OK...downloading XORG now...let me see how it goes :) |
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| 17:56.32 | kermit | kisses abrotman instead |
| 17:56.39 | Spec | hmm, gawk's got some features that seem useful, but I'll never find a use for (near the bottom of the man page "GNU Extensions" |
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| 17:56.57 | abrotman | kermit: sorry .. couldn't resist |
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| 17:56.59 | kermit | i have irc bots written in gawk |
| 17:57.06 | kermit | and a web server |
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| 17:57.14 | abrotman | you are a sick sick .. frog |
| 17:57.18 | Spec | Some things seem useful, like some of the functions....and(), asort(), mktime(), strftime(), etc |
| 17:57.26 | Spec | kermit: a web server written in gawk? |
| 17:57.30 | AmbrNewlearner | is rebooting to see if XORG works ... wish me good luck |
| 17:57.40 | cantoma | jmary, sorry for the delay, passing -h to xsetup doesn't work. Instead it executes it and the same message is displayed |
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| 17:58.50 | kermit | Spec: via inetd |
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| 18:00.15 | Spec | kermit: ah |
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| 18:17.11 | AmbrNewlearner | abrotman, I installed XORG and then rebooted...and X started without any problems :) ty very much... |
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| 18:19.05 | sartan | hello~ is there any way I can get apt tools to display the version number of software, similar to what I'm used to with an .rpmmacro ? |
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| 18:19.42 | sartan | i.e. apt-get update tells me that 'the following packages have been held back' - linux-kernel linux-headers, etc, and I want to know which version they are in a pinch |
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| 18:20.19 | greycat | sartan: the straightforward way is "dpkg -l pkgname pkgname ..." |
| 18:20.39 | Anthro | [OT] Can someone point me to the RFC indicating that email to user+context@example.com goes to user@example.com? I need to cite it at my mail provider, who just recently broke it. |
| 18:20.40 | sartan | will that require the package to be installed first? I want to know what's down the pipe for an update before I install it |
| 18:20.47 | Inazad | someone knows a good automatic network mapping tools ? with GUI if possible ? |
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| 18:21.06 | greycat | sartan: ah. afraid not. |
| 18:21.07 | sartan | Inazad: As a network professional I can tell you that there are no tools that do that |
| 18:21.13 | sartan | or do it well |
| 18:21.16 | sartan | they're all crap. Really. =( |
| 18:22.55 | Inazad | sartan, hmm ok |
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| 18:23.16 | Inazad | sartan, SolarWinds LANSurveyor its good ro bullshit ? |
| 18:23.34 | sartan | I've tried it.... It's best to just bust out show cdp n & keep your documentation up to date |
| 18:23.53 | Inazad | what is cdp ? |
| 18:24.12 | sartan | assuming you're on a cisco network, it's the cisco discovery protocol |
| 18:24.24 | sartan | cisco devices share information about themselves to connected cisco neighbors. it's proprietary but very handy |
| 18:24.25 | Inazad | ok |
| 18:24.36 | Inazad | sartan, pv please ? |
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| 18:25.59 | abrotman | AmbrNewlearner: glad to hear it .. |
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| 18:30.29 | Farhadix | I have installed some linux on my computer but now I removed some of then , All of this OS' had same boot partition now I have Debian 5 Debian 4 and Ubuntu 9.10 but grub listed 2 couples of debian and ubuntu! I removed ubuntu 9.04 but it is in new grub until,, I removed ubuntu 9.04 kernel images in boot partition. My default os is debian 5, now how format boot partition and make it from zero and clean |
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| 18:32.19 | greycat | Are you saying you had a single /boot partition that they all shared? |
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| 18:32.59 | greycat | Ah, there it is, two lines into the wall of words. |
| 18:33.26 | Farhadix | yeah |
| 18:33.43 | valdyn | is this babelfish? |
| 18:33.46 | valdyn | google translate? |
| 18:33.51 | hark | gives a medal to greycat for managing to understand that |
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| 18:34.53 | greycat | Well, you _could_ wipe the partition and reinstall the grub and kernel packages, but I'd keep a backup copy of it just in case. |
| 18:35.29 | Farhadix | how install kernel packages again? |
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| 18:36.06 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 18:36.07 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 18:36.18 | greycat | that's a bit overkill |
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| 18:36.30 | AlphaNetX | Hi peeps! I have a stupid question: Will Debian run fine on a recent macbook? |
| 18:36.31 | greycat | "apt-get --reinstall install pkgname pkgname ..." |
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| 18:39.53 | Farhadix | thanks greycat |
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| 18:41.03 | cesurasean1 | AlphaNetX, yes Debian Lenny should run fine on a macbook. |
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| 18:42.05 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: i couldn't live w/o it, so i need to be sure |
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| 18:43.10 | Shadur | Argh. After a recent power failure apparently alsa or udev decided unilaterally to swap around device IDs for my USB headphones and my actual sound card. |
| 18:43.21 | cesurasean1 | AlphaNetX, Debian works fine on most crappy machines, so I'm 99.9% positive debian will work on macbook and has been tested well.... |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | Shadur: create an /etc/asound.conf file |
| 18:43.45 | cesurasean1 | any Apple recent Apple computer, for that matter. |
| 18:43.54 | cesurasean1 | one too many |
| 18:43.57 | cesurasean1 | whoops |
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| 18:44.25 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: i'd go for the 17" macbook pro IF i knew that sound, video and keyboard work as i expect it from my desktop machine |
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| 18:44.28 | cesurasean1 | AlphaNetX, make sure you download the stable version of debian..... |
| 18:44.52 | Shadur | greycat: Any package that contains a sample file I can crib from? |
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| 18:45.24 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: k, maybe makes sense having a dvd handy when visiting the apple store |
| 18:45.33 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: thx for the info |
| 18:45.33 | cesurasean1 | AlphaNetX, Mac OS X is unix based, so im pretty sure Debian has no problems utilizing any of the hardware. you should be fine.... |
| 18:45.38 | greycat | Shadur: http://wooledge.org/~greg/asound.conc |
| 18:45.40 | greycat | Shadur: http://wooledge.org/~greg/asound.conf :( |
| 18:45.44 | Titan8990 | Shadur, if you are running lenny `alsaconf` should generate one |
| 18:46.00 | Farhadix | greycat, what package put initrd.img in /boot |
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| 18:46.12 | cesurasean1 | i have only had problems with computers intended for windows, acpi problems, etc |
| 18:46.16 | Shadur | Titan8990: I'm running sid and there's no such thing. |
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| 18:46.18 | Titan8990 | Farhadix, linux-image-$VERSION |
| 18:46.26 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: from what i read macs rely on almost stock pc hardware so yea,s hould work |
| 18:46.27 | greycat | Farhadix: it's generated when the kernel is installed, according to what /etc/kernel-img.conf says. |
| 18:46.42 | Titan8990 | part of the postinst iirc |
| 18:47.00 | cesurasean1 | AlphaNetX, that's correct. Apple uses many of the same parts as other manufacturers, as well. they don |
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| 18:47.05 | cesurasean1 | 't build parts custom |
| 18:47.29 | vlt | Hello. How can I set the size of a loop device? |
| 18:47.43 | greycat | it's however big the file is. |
| 18:48.22 | AlphaNetX | cesurasean1: k, about time to go and waste some money it seems :) |
| 18:48.26 | Farhadix | greycat, then for reinstalling the kernel package linux-image-$version is enough? |
| 18:48.43 | greycat | you might want to do udev too. not sure. |
| 18:48.46 | pom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.16 | greycat | I don't think most of us have ever wiped out a /boot partition on purpose before. |
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| 18:49.25 | sartan | I totally have =( |
| 18:49.26 | vlt | greycat: I know I can set an offset at the beginning but can I limit the size? |
| 18:49.29 | sartan | Weird raid stuff |
| 18:49.49 | Titan8990 | greycat, and lacked a backup |
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| 18:50.19 | Farhadix | thanks |
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| 18:51.23 | llutz | vlt: man losetup |
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| 18:53.15 | cVsup | hi i have samba pdc, when try logon in workstation my logon.bat is open by visual studion and not execute |
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| 18:53.23 | cVsup | somebody can help me? |
| 18:53.34 | greycat | sounds like a #samba question |
| 18:54.45 | Titan8990 | sounds like a #windows question to me |
| 18:55.01 | Titan8990 | unless he has visual studio running in wine... if thats possible |
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| 19:01.25 | vlt | llutz: There's nothing about limiting size in my `man losetup`. I'm using Debian lenny. |
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| 19:01.54 | greycat | vlt: what makes you think it's even possible? a loopback mount is a file mounted as a file system. The file system IS the file's contents. |
| 19:02.02 | greycat | Not "part of the file's contents". |
| 19:02.02 | llutz | vlt: [--sizelimit limit] |
| 19:02.17 | greycat | llutz: I have to agree with him -- no such thing. |
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| 19:03.13 | cusco | Hi |
| 19:03.33 | llutz | vlt: losetup from mount-2.14.2-1(ubuntu4) here |
| 19:03.34 | cusco | Im back with the sme problem: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 19:03.39 | vlt | greycat: I don't want to mount it, just setup a loop device |
| 19:03.42 | cusco | 091123 19:03:34 [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied |
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| 19:03.53 | cusco | ~whats wrong with unix socket |
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| 19:04.12 | greycat | cusco: well, a unix domain socket is an object in the actual file system, so maybe your file system perms are broken |
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| 19:04.29 | iceroot | cusco: started as root? |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | Get it to tell you where the unix domain socket IS, so you can check the permissions... |
| 19:05.02 | cusco | iceroot: I used /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 19:05.08 | cusco | and called mysqld as root as wll |
| 19:05.23 | vlt | llutz: "losetup: unrecognized option `--sizelimt'" :( |
| 19:05.24 | cusco | greycat: how do I know where the socket is? |
| 19:05.36 | greycat | cusco: beat it with a stick until it tells you. |
| 19:05.49 | cusco | lol |
| 19:05.54 | greycat | if it's not in the log files, and if it's not in the man page, then ask #mysql |
| 19:06.01 | ranix | the socket is a file in the filesystem |
| 19:06.02 | llutz | vlt: lenny uses 2.13.xxx don't know the differences |
| 19:06.10 | cusco | I guess should be/var/run/mysqld |
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| 19:06.18 | vlt | llutz: "losetup: unrecognized option `--sizelimit'" (now with "i" in limit) |
| 19:06.19 | cusco | inside there |
| 19:06.36 | vlt | llutz: Ok, maybe I'll have to check a newer version |
| 19:06.55 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.10 | cusco | but there is no such file |
| 19:07.23 | greycat | ls -ld / /var /var/run /var/run/mysqld (not in #debian though -- that's too many lines) |
| 19:07.24 | iceroot | cusco: installed with apt-get? |
| 19:07.38 | cusco | iceroot: yes |
| 19:07.46 | cusco | and yes Im using stable |
| 19:08.05 | greycat | / and /var and /var/run should all be root:root drwxr-xr-x |
| 19:08.16 | greycat | /var/run/mysqld should be mysql:root drwxr-xr-x |
| 19:08.23 | cusco | and it is |
| 19:08.40 | vlt | greycat: (The possibility of applying an offset let me even think of limiting the size too) ;-) |
| 19:08.44 | cusco | 13189123 drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2009-11-23 |
| 19:08.49 | cusco | ahh |
| 19:08.50 | cusco | no |
| 19:08.53 | cusco | it is not |
| 19:08.54 | cusco | hmm |
| 19:09.28 | llutz | vlt according to http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/6/9/167 , it needs to be 2.14.x for this option |
| 19:09.48 | cusco | hmm ok |
| 19:09.59 | cusco | permissions it was |
| 19:10.00 | cusco | thanks greycat |
| 19:10.27 | Titan8990 | wanders how he managed to change the perms in the first place |
| 19:11.08 | greycat | I'd give 3:1 odds on "chown -R root /var/run" |
| 19:11.36 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 19:11.55 | jelly-hme | easily remedied with a rm-rf and a reboot! |
| 19:12.01 | jelly-hme | ^_^ |
| 19:12.20 | sartan | apt-cache showpkg seems to only show package information of something i already have installed, not something ic an pull down with apt-get install. annoying |
| 19:12.46 | greycat | "apt-cache show" is not limited that way |
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| 19:13.38 | sartan | seems to be the same |
| 19:13.38 | jelly-hme | sartan: that seems to be incorrect, I _definitely_ do not have emacs installed but still gets lots of output from showpkg |
| 19:13.50 | mmlj4 | if I want real adobe flash, what package do I install, please? |
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| 19:13.56 | sartan | maybe i misread the output |
| 19:14.04 | sartan | it's hard to know what version i already have installed in one shot without a bit of digging |
| 19:14.06 | jelly-hme | sartan: perhaps you need to do an aptitude update (or apt-get update) |
| 19:14.13 | sartan | yeah, done that |
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| 19:14.44 | greycat | "already have" is dpkg -l, "can get" is apt-cache show |
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| 19:14.54 | sartan | k |
| 19:15.01 | jelly-hme | also, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:15.07 | jelly-hme | for the latter |
| 19:15.19 | sartan | ooh nice |
| 19:15.21 | sartan | i like apt-cache policy |
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| 19:15.36 | sartan | 'installed:' 'Candidate:' |
| 19:15.57 | jelly-hme | sartan: you can also do a --dry-run install |
| 19:15.58 | greycat | I would not have guessed that from the name "policy". |
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| 19:16.48 | sartan | is that similar to -s (Simulate) jelly? |
| 19:16.49 | blooddiamond | "Cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: Device or resource busy". How to know the command using that device? |
| 19:16.57 | jelly-hme | sartan: no, that's exactly the same thing |
| 19:16.58 | sartan | lsof | grep /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 19:17.03 | greycat | blooddiamond: fuser or lsof |
| 19:17.39 | jelly-hme | s,no,yes, |
| 19:18.47 | sartan | i understood :) |
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| 19:20.35 | blooddiamond | sartan, thanks, but it takes some time |
| 19:20.51 | sartan | it does |
| 19:21.12 | sartan | there's probably some sort of lsof -flag that can reduce the output somehow, but you'd have to read the manpage. your guess is as good as mine. |
| 19:21.47 | sartan | it's just too complicated to remember for me |
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| 19:23.04 | jelly-hme | sartan: fuser /path/to/file displays just the pids that have it open, but if traverses whole of the /proc/ just the same |
| 19:23.06 | greycat | "fuser /dev/ttyACMwhatever" is much simpler. |
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| 19:23.28 | jelly-hme | fails at typing, and withdraws |
| 19:23.34 | sartan | you and your 'shortcuts'. There's no better way of doing things without ten or twenty lines of sed and awk. |
| 19:23.50 | blooddiamond | greycat, fuser /dev/ttyACM0 returned nothing |
| 19:24.02 | sartan | did the lsof return anything? |
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| 19:24.13 | greycat | perhaps some process has a the same device open by another name |
| 19:24.40 | jelly-hme | blooddiamond: remembered to run it as root? |
| 19:25.17 | jelly-hme | also, lsof is faster if one remembers to -n |
| 19:25.24 | hochron | When I start up debian the screen goes blank.... CTRL-ALT-Baspace wont work, CTL-c wont work, what is the problem? After that I just turn it off then it works, today I had to do it twice. |
| 19:25.52 | hochron | Normal messages until the gui kicks in |
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| 19:26.17 | jelly-hme | hochron: do you have another machine to log in remotely, or at least ping the first and confirm it responds? |
| 19:26.29 | greycat | Well, the first thing you want to do is boot in single-user (safe) mode, so it doesn't start the *dm. |
| 19:26.54 | blooddiamond | sartan, lsof gave pppd 3049 root 0u CHR 166,0 9900 /dev/tty |
| 19:27.05 | greycat | Then disable the *dm until you figure out why your X server is not working. |
| 19:28.06 | blooddiamond | jelly-hme, fuser not showing anything even as root. Strange? |
| 19:28.20 | jelly-hme | not necessarily |
| 19:28.32 | hochron | jelly-hme: hmmm, I could try that. the machine is on a totally different network though |
| 19:28.59 | hochron | jelly-hme: what ip do I use? |
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| 19:30.01 | hochron | jelly-hme: I got another idea, it only happens like once or twice a week tho |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | failing hardware? |
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| 19:33.03 | jelly-hme | hochron: uh, I assume you know the ip of your own machine? |
| 19:33.14 | ranix | hochron: 172.0.0.1 |
| 19:33.16 | jelly-hme | or random driver cockup |
| 19:33.48 | ranix | repeat after me, "There's no place like localhost, there's no place like localhost" and clack your heels together |
| 19:34.06 | greycat | there's no substitute for spelling 127 correctly, either. |
| 19:34.13 | Sergio` | ranix: 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:34.25 | ranix | whee |
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| 19:35.45 | sartan | blooddiamond: ls -lah /dev/ttyACM0 -- is it just a symlink to /dev/tty ? |
| 19:36.13 | sartan | pppd though |
| 19:36.16 | hochron | jelly-hme: I know the internal ip... do I use the external ip of the router? |
| 19:36.30 | greycat | Whatever IP will reach the target. |
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| 19:37.05 | jelly-hme | hochron: well. You need the machine to be routable to. If it's behind a router that does NAT it |
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| 19:37.26 | jelly-hme | 'll be somewhat more complicated |
| 19:37.37 | blooddiamond | sartan, Nope. Its a character device (or file) |
| 19:37.53 | jelly-hme | hochron: you'd have to set up the router in advance to allow you access |
| 19:38.04 | greycat | Is it commonplace to have 357 bans in #debian nowadays? Someone named bpun is pestering me about it. |
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| 19:38.24 | sartan | the only reasonable conclusion is that #debian is an internet hate machine |
| 19:38.28 | jelly-hme | hochron: I assumed you had a machine in the same segment |
| 19:38.58 | jelly-hme | sartan: either that, or a abuse target |
| 19:39.33 | hochron | jelly-hme: anyways I got another machine on the same network yes |
| 19:39.44 | sartan | Hmm, i'm satisified with apt & policy. |
| 19:40.01 | sartan | Whelp, thanks! |
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| 19:40.07 | mmlj4 | greycat: lemme guess... he's on the banlist, right? |
| 19:40.12 | Titan8990 | greycat, only 3 appear to be from debian ops |
| 19:40.18 | Titan8990 | mmlj4, no, hes in the channel now |
| 19:40.18 | hochron | jelly-hme: the problem happen so sporadically do I just have to wait till it happens again? |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | Yes, he seems to think I know why he's banned. |
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| 19:40.47 | greycat | (+q ban) |
| 19:40.50 | jelly-hme | hochron: if you can ping it, it means it's not completely dead. If it has a ssh server enabled, you might be able to log in remotely and inspect Xorg and kernel logs for trouble. |
| 19:40.56 | Titan8990 | in order for him to still be here wouldn't he need to be banned then not kicked? |
| 19:41.07 | Titan8990 | as-in if he did get kicked he would be unable to rejoin? |
| 19:41.14 | hochron | ok |
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| 19:41.32 | jelly-hme | hochron: so I'd suggest setting up openssh-server in advance, for you to be able to log in from another machine the next time it happens |
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| 19:42.19 | hochron | jelly-hme: I have no idea how to do that but Im sure I can google it when I have free time |
| 19:43.48 | jelly-hme | bpun seemed to be butt-happy on September 24th, and was silenced by stew |
| 19:44.01 | jelly-hme | so says the backlog |
| 19:44.12 | BubbaT | I'm trying to configure a laptop. When I am able to connect to my main compujter ( via wireless ) I want to atuomatically mount remote ( samba ) shares. Is there a way to do it? |
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| 19:45.26 | blooddiamond | you may edit /etc/fstab to mount at boot time |
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| 19:46.46 | hochron | jelly-hme: Another question, what if the other box is an XP box? |
| 19:47.53 | BubbaT | blooddiamond: The problem with that is if I am not newar my main computer and am not trying to connect. |
| 19:48.05 | jelly-hme | hochron: then you use putty or some other ssh client to log in remotely |
| 19:48.27 | hochron | jelly-hme: ok |
| 19:48.46 | BubbaT | Also, the computer doesn't connect untill I log in and am aboe to enter the key. |
| 19:48.48 | greycat | putty is truly one of the only things in the world that can make Windows usable |
| 19:48.58 | jelly-hme | hochron: openssh-server needs to be installed and ssh service running on the Linux box; when you install it, it's enabled by default |
| 19:49.17 | m314 | Is it possible to run Debian as an "instant-on" OS, using coreboot or similiar, on any current netbooks? |
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| 19:51.05 | hochron | jelly-hme: thanks for the help, and what if it does not happen for a long time? are there security issues with sshd running? |
| 19:51.38 | greycat | if you're concerned about brute force attacks, run your sshd on a port other than the default |
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| 19:51.45 | jelly-hme | hochron: not many if the machine isn't exposed to the internet |
| 19:51.51 | greycat | if you have easily guessable passwords, then definitely be concerned. |
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| 19:52.00 | hochron | jelly-hme: it is |
| 19:52.37 | jelly-hme | hochron: really? You seemed to imply it was behind a NATing router. |
| 19:52.54 | jelly-hme | and that it only had at internal IP. |
| 19:53.24 | hochron | jelly-hme: ohhh ok I thought you meant accessible nm |
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| 19:55.23 | Titan8990 | hochron, big difference between a machine that can access the internet and one that can be accessed FROM (exposed) the internet |
| 19:55.49 | ranix | Titan8990: try explaining that to those people with jailbroken iphones |
| 19:56.08 | jmd | What do I need to install to get a basic Java development tools? |
| 19:56.34 | Titan8990 | jmd, a JDK, a JRE and a text editor? |
| 19:56.39 | greycat | jmd: I'd probably install sun-java6-jdk |
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| 19:57.41 | jmd | greycat: Doesn't appear to be such a package in testing. |
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| 19:58.20 | themill | judd versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:58.20 | Titan8990 | !install java |
| 19:58.20 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. Etch users: ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 19:58.20 | judd | themill: sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 |
| 19:58.50 | jmd | I don't want to install from non-free |
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| 19:59.07 | Titan8990 | jmd, then you must use openjdk |
| 19:59.12 | greycat | Then you've chosen the wrong programming language. Really. |
| 19:59.22 | Titan8990 | ^ and that |
| 19:59.45 | jmd | Why? As I understand it, gcc supports java? |
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| 19:59.50 | ranix | uh |
| 19:59.59 | ranix | no, java runs in a virtual machine |
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| 20:00.16 | greycat | gcc can perhaps generate java bytecode. maybe. |
| 20:00.21 | jmd | ranix: Yes ? |
| 20:00.22 | greycat | you'd still need a JRE to run it. |
| 20:00.24 | Titan8990 | jmd, there is gcj, which is a gnu implementation of java... |
| 20:00.51 | Titan8990 | openjdk is supposed to be much closer to sun's implementation |
| 20:01.02 | jmd | greycat, gcc gives you the option to generate bytecode OR nativecode. |
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| 20:01.09 | ranix | gcc is the gnu c compiler |
| 20:01.14 | ranix | gcj is the java compiler |
| 20:01.20 | ranix | and I don't think anybody would really use that |
| 20:01.40 | jmd | ranix: Wrong. gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection |
| 20:01.41 | Titan8990 | the people who develop gcj might.... maybe... |
| 20:02.04 | Titan8990 | jmd, Description: The GNU C compiler |
| 20:02.04 | Titan8990 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.15 | Titan8990 | Package: gcc |
| 20:02.41 | jmd | Perhaps somebody should file a bug against that package, to get its title updated. |
| 20:03.11 | jmd | http://gcc.gnu.org |
| 20:03.22 | patrikf | the gcc package is actually just the c compiler |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | The debian "gcc" package is not the same thing as the GNU project of which it's a part. g++ is a separate Debian pacakge, for instance. |
| 20:03.56 | jmd | Then gcc should be renamed. |
| 20:04.01 | Titan8990 | I never can remember this.... what is the package name for the "non-free" gnu docs? |
| 20:04.03 | ranix | I agree |
| 20:04.10 | greycat | jmd: Oh, right, that won't confuse ANYBODY! |
| 20:04.15 | ranix | lol! |
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| 20:07.44 | Titan8990 | !gcc-doc |
| 20:07.44 | dpkg | The man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 20:07.44 | jelly-hme | It's simple, GCC != gcc! |
| 20:08.04 | Titan8990 | `man gcc` is not in gcc-doc (which does not exist it is gcc-doc-base) or manpages-dev |
| 20:08.07 | TheJoe | So |
| 20:08.09 | TheJoe | The situation |
| 20:08.15 | Titan8990 | where might I find a man page for the "gcc" command |
| 20:08.31 | themill | When the gcc package entered debian, GCC did stand for GNU C Compiler. It's not debian's fault that upstream decided to change what the acronym stood for.... |
| 20:08.35 | greycat | let's ask p.d.o |
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| 20:08.57 | TheJoe | I HAD Ubuntu 9.10 installed, dual booting with Windows 7 which is on a second HDD. I removed Ubuntu (Windows is still intact), but the old GRUB is refusing to back down. With the lack of a grub.cfg, it won't function. And new GRUB which came with Debian is inacessible |
| 20:09.04 | greycat | p.d.o says it's in gcc-doc |
| 20:09.05 | TheJoe | I'm on the Ubuntu LiveCD now |
| 20:09.11 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 20:09.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:09.22 | TheJoe | Yeah this is kinda not an Ubuntu problem |
| 20:09.31 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, doesn't matter |
| 20:09.34 | TheJoe | This is Debian / GRUB, or I wouldn't be asking here |
| 20:09.44 | Titan8990 | greycat, I just installed it... pc-tesla Maple # man gcc No manual entry for gcc |
| 20:09.49 | ranix | TheJoe: reinstall grub from your debian install cd |
| 20:09.49 | greycat | TheJoe: boot some CD. Any CD. mount your Debian file system. chroot into it. install grub into the MBR from there. |
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| 20:09.56 | greycat | Titan8990: on lenny? |
| 20:10.00 | TheJoe | greycat: I like your thinking |
| 20:10.04 | Titan8990 | greycat, yep, debian lenny |
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| 20:10.16 | TrueDecko | hello, im just installed debian 5.0 lenny |
| 20:10.21 | TrueDecko | it is good for server work? |
| 20:10.23 | greycat | Titan8990: does /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz not exist? |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | TrueDecko: yes |
| 20:10.34 | TrueDecko | im planning to host mysql apache and l2j |
| 20:10.40 | TrueDecko | with 2g ram |
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| 20:11.14 | Titan8990 | greycat, no... and I can see apt-file telling me it should come from gcc-doc |
| 20:11.24 | sthon | TrueDecko: should be fine, depending on the amount of traffic. |
| 20:11.24 | greycat | Titan8990: well, something is confused then. |
| 20:11.30 | blooddiamond | TrueDecko, congrats!!! |
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| 20:12.11 | greycat | Titan8990: it works on my lenny box. installed gcc-doc, and "man gcc" works. |
| 20:12.20 | greycat | Titan8990: try --reinstall install gcc-doc |
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| 20:13.00 | Titan8990 | greycat, actually, I am only find gcc-doc-base sorry, not gcc-doc.... I have non-free enabled... does it come from contrib? |
| 20:13.09 | blooddiamond | TrueDecko, debian is rock solid and great for servers |
| 20:13.11 | greycat | judd, versions gcc-doc |
| 20:13.12 | judd | greycat: gcc-doc -- etch/contrib: 4:4.1.1.nf3 lenny/contrib: 5:2 sid/contrib: 5:2 squeeze/contrib: 5:2 |
| 20:13.23 | Titan8990 | figures |
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| 20:13.56 | nubix | hi |
| 20:13.57 | nubix | i got a problem with openvpn and debian and hope i could get some help here, its about using build-key ... it always creates an empty clientX.crt which causes errors on my client. |
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| 20:15.22 | Titan8990 | I think that man page is bigger than my book on learning C hehe |
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| 20:15.26 | msd | hey folks |
| 20:15.34 | msd | i put my hdd on a CF card |
| 20:15.35 | msd | it boots |
| 20:15.43 | msd | but while booting generates errors |
| 20:15.47 | nvz | congratulations |
| 20:15.51 | msd | that it has a read only file system |
| 20:15.56 | TheJoe | Ok, so maybe this is harder than I thought |
| 20:16.02 | msd | i dunno what made it read-only |
| 20:16.02 | nvz | take your finger off the enter key until you have a complete thought |
| 20:16.06 | msd | but how to fix it? |
| 20:16.11 | nvz | fix what? |
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| 20:16.24 | msd | the filesystem being readonly |
| 20:16.27 | nvz | I have to scroll up 8 pages to see what you were talkig about |
| 20:16.40 | greycat | The root file system is mounted read-only until it passes an fsck test, and then it's supposed to be remounted read-write. |
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| 20:16.49 | greycat | also: |
| 20:16.50 | greycat | !enter |
| 20:16.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:17.49 | nvz | greycat: nice to see you around these parts again btw. |
| 20:18.12 | msd | hmm could fsck be done from live cd environment? |
| 20:18.25 | nvz | haha |
| 20:18.33 | greycat | The real question is, why is the fsck failing when YOU boot? (Or is it something else that fails?) |
| 20:18.33 | msd | cause the boot wont let me get to a point where i can do fsck.. |
| 20:18.34 | SparFux | Hi. In Debian sid I get this message when catting a file with UTF8 text in bash: Warning (i18n): `standard-display-european' is semi-obsolete; see its doc string for details How can I cure that? |
| 20:18.50 | msd | it hangs at starting the deamons |
| 20:18.51 | nvz | msd: you missed that point entierly.. let me back it up for you and start over |
| 20:18.58 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: before chrooting into the mounted Debian system, it'll be helpful to bind-mount /dev and /proc and perhaps /sys in there. Eg. if Debian is mounted under /target, you'd do something like mount --bind /dev /target/dev, repeat with /proc and /sys, and _then_ chroot /target (and try installing grub or whatever) |
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| 20:19.43 | greycat | msd: that makes no sense at all. if the root file system can't be mounted read-write, things should either stop at that point (probably dropping you to a # prompt in single-user mode, or asking for the root password), or you should get error messages from things that DO try to run and can't. |
| 20:19.51 | nvz | msd: when linux boots generally your bootloader passes an "ro" kernel command line, when the init.d scripts to check the filesystems (the system runs fsck on boot automatically) and it passes the check, it is remounted rw |
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| 20:20.01 | greycat | makes me suspect you're not being quite truthful about what you did... |
| 20:20.06 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: Well I'm chrooted fine, it's the actual GRUB installation which I'm failing at |
| 20:20.12 | greycat | what version of Debian did you say you installed on it? |
| 20:20.22 | nvz | msd: its not happening because as you stated your system never boots entirely |
| 20:20.30 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:20.30 | msd | exactly |
| 20:20.30 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: ah. does /boot/grub/device.map look sensible? |
| 20:20.43 | msd | so would an external fsck help me out? |
| 20:20.55 | msd | or is that a foolish thought |
| 20:21.05 | greycat | msd: reading the god damned ERROR MESSAGES would help you out, but I can't rule out the possibility that a random fsck might trigger someting. |
| 20:21.11 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: (hd0) /dev/sda and 2 simillar, incremental lines. Looks sensible to me, but I wouldn't know |
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| 20:21.23 | nvz | msd: no, not unless the filesystem being corrupt is whats preventing it to boot. like I said, you're missing the point entirely |
| 20:21.44 | nvz | msd: I agree with greycat, read whats on the damn screen |
| 20:21.47 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: I think GRUB installed fine at Debian install, what's wrong is that the old GRUB doesn't want to go away |
| 20:22.03 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: does the machine boot at all? |
| 20:22.34 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: Yeah, I'm on it now on a LiveCD |
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| 20:22.51 | msd | grr |
| 20:22.52 | msd | k |
| 20:22.55 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: I get a GRUB error and a recovery console with no discernable commands (it's the new GRUB beta, it seems) |
| 20:23.05 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: oh sorry, does it boot at all from the hdd? Which Grub error? |
| 20:23.08 | eatnumber11 | how do I override/suppliment the dns server provided to me by dhcp? |
| 20:23.14 | nvz | oh my, we asked him to actually pay attention and read something, he's getting angry now.. |
| 20:23.34 | jelly-hme | nvz: how do you dare! |
| 20:23.39 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: No such disk or something like that |
| 20:23.46 | nvz | jelly-hme: I know, right? I'm such an asshole |
| 20:23.49 | TheJoe | This CD took so long to boot I'm not willing to reboot and check again |
| 20:24.06 | nvz | jelly-hme: which is usually true, but still.. |
| 20:24.22 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: was there a number after "grub error XX"? It there was, it would possibly be helpful |
| 20:24.39 | jelly-hme | nvz: not saying a thing |
| 20:24.46 | nvz | :-P |
| 20:25.04 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: I don't think so, this new GRUB is inconsiderate, it seems |
| 20:25.11 | nvz | I'm just gonna walk away... might even wash my hands.. |
| 20:25.14 | TheJoe | It doesn't want to move, it doesn't want to tell me whats wrong... |
| 20:26.00 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: eh. Did "grub-install /dev/sda" in the chroot do something? :-) |
| 20:26.07 | greycat | !override dns |
| 20:26.07 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. |
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| 20:26.16 | greycat | eatnumber11: ^^^ |
| 20:26.18 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: An error. Let me try it again and grab it for you |
| 20:26.41 | SparFux | I cannot find any hints about where to deactivate standard-display-european when not concerning emacs. I use simple cat on bash line and it pukes this warning. |
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| 20:26.53 | TheJoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.54 | TheJoe | Lovely |
| 20:26.56 | eatnumber11 | greycat: thanks |
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| 20:27.27 | blubberdiblub | TheJoe, you probably need /proc mounted under the chroot for grub-install to work there. and a node under /dev of course |
| 20:27.30 | greycat | TheJoe: when I said "any CD" I really meant "any CD whose kernel can see your root file system" :-/ |
| 20:27.32 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: um... _is_ there a /dev/sda? |
| 20:27.48 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: There _is_ according to Debian |
| 20:27.54 | TheJoe | I'll try this proc thingie thing |
| 20:28.12 | greycat | I don't know what the steps are for getting a udev-populated /dev into a chroot :( |
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| 20:28.28 | blubberdiblub | greycat, you don't need to, you can simply bind mount |
| 20:28.38 | Titan8990 | you can usually get by with MAKEDEV generic |
| 20:28.38 | greycat | that would count as "steps" |
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| 20:28.53 | TheJoe | greycat: This is the only CD I have, and the lack of a functioning burner obviously creates a bit of an obstacle here |
| 20:29.00 | TheJoe | I should prepare a bit better |
| 20:29.07 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: I _think_ something in the grub-install script needs /sys |
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| 20:29.09 | TheJoe | Y'know, BEFORE I mess up my computers |
| 20:29.13 | nvz | TheJoe: have a thumbdrive? |
| 20:29.19 | TheJoe | nvz: I do indeed |
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| 20:29.25 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: Elaborate |
| 20:29.38 | nvz | TheJoe: I use unetbootin and thumbdrives in place of cds almost always these days |
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| 20:30.04 | nubix | hi, someone may help me with openvpn and debian? |
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| 20:30.11 | TheJoe | nvz: Well, call me nostalgic, but I've never bothered with a bootable USB |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: nothing specific, I remember it failing until /sys had been bind-mounted as well |
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| 20:30.43 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: Assuming bind /sys was the correct thing to do, that didn't work |
| 20:30.50 | nvz | TheJoe: its so much quicker with unetbootin to strap a usb stick and doesnt require a blank cd or a burner.. and almost all pcs from the last 10 years usb boot |
| 20:31.03 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: well... is there stuff in /sys in the chroot? |
| 20:31.12 | nvz | TheJoe: I'm just sayin, if your burner doesnt work, thats another option |
| 20:31.14 | blubberdiblub | TheJoe, what about /proc and /dev? you have those bind mounted as well, right? |
| 20:31.14 | TheJoe | ls sys/ says, no |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | the command definitely wouldn't be "bind", because that's for bash/readline stuff. |
| 20:31.29 | TheJoe | blubberdiblub: I do now |
| 20:31.32 | greycat | it would start with "mount". |
| 20:31.32 | blubberdiblub | TheJoe, and if you have a separate /boot partition, don't forget about that |
| 20:31.32 | TheJoe | And still, same error |
| 20:31.42 | jelly-hme | TheJoe: out of the chroot, do mount --bind /sys /wherever/chroot/sys |
| 20:31.44 | TheJoe | I only have root and home |
| 20:31.53 | TheJoe | jelly-hme: Got it |
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| 20:32.55 | jelly-hme | and I suppose you've done similarly for /proc and /dev |
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| 20:33.12 | TheJoe | Wheee we have action |
| 20:33.23 | TheJoe | 'Installation finished. No error reported.' |
| 20:33.26 | TheJoe | I think that's a good thing |
| 20:33.28 | nse | Hello everyone. Terrible situation with me. When I am, for example, at Music On Console in a terminal and I hit a key for stopping a sound track the application (don't question me which) plays a sound and that takes place in my sound device for some time preventing me from playing another sound for example. This is terrible if you want to play some NEW sound, really good one. I've tried searching some sound preferences in GNOME Terminal, in the GNOME Preference S |
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| 20:33.57 | TheJoe | Well, I shall reboot and *hope* this works, then I shall order a new USB disk for a permanent, portable Debian rescue boot |
| 20:34.22 | TheJoe | Assuming I can get wifi working in Debian, but I DID prepare for that |
| 20:34.28 | asaleem | AI juts killed apache and now its refusomg to restart. with strace, it hangs at waitpid(-1. Any suggestion. It's on Sarge 3.1 |
| 20:34.36 | nvz | nse: what is your native language? |
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| 20:35.57 | greycat | asaleem: what error do you get? |
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| 20:36.44 | asaleem | greycat, it just hangs in there |
| 20:36.58 | asaleem | I dont see anything in error log |
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| 20:39.30 | asaleem | greycat, the output of strace is http://pastebin.com/m29b893d7 |
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| 20:41.17 | Justin | asaleem: you can not use strace like that |
| 20:41.36 | TheJoe | And still, old GRUB clings onto the MBR like a public louse onto a hair |
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| 20:41.57 | Justin | TheJoe: wipe the MBR, problem solved. |
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| 20:42.17 | TheJoe | Justin: Facepalm. I'm an idiot. |
| 20:42.23 | asaleem | Justin, why not? |
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| 20:42.35 | Justin | asaleem: you told it to trace a shell script. what do you expect that to do? |
| 20:42.35 | TheJoe | Why the hell didn't I think of that before |
| 20:42.49 | greycat | Justin: did he forget the -f? |
| 20:42.52 | Justin | yes |
| 20:42.57 | greycat | typical. |
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| 20:43.26 | Justin | asaleem: why are you running strace anyway? did you look in /var/log/apache*/error* first? |
| 20:43.33 | TheJoe | Ok er |
| 20:43.38 | TheJoe | Wiping the MBR |
| 20:43.52 | asaleem | Justin, you mean I should trace the actual apache binary |
| 20:43.56 | TheJoe | See, I only know the Windows XP recovery console fixmbr command, and that causes more damage than I need |
| 20:44.00 | ranix | TheJoe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1 |
| 20:44.06 | asaleem | Justin, there is nothing in error log |
| 20:44.08 | TheJoe | ranix: Ah ok |
| 20:44.24 | ranix | that will wipe the execution space of the mbr |
| 20:44.35 | TheJoe | And then I'll have to install GRUB again, I suppose? |
| 20:44.43 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 20:44.52 | asaleem | Justin, I guess apache does not get to the point where it writes to the log |
| 20:45.05 | ranix | that will not wipe your partition table |
| 20:45.16 | TheJoe | Right |
| 20:45.25 | greycat | I never understood why people think they need to erase the MBR before reinstalling GRUB/LILO into the MBR. But hey. |
| 20:45.49 | TheJoe | greycat: In this case, I couldn't get rid of the old GRUB |
| 20:46.44 | blubberdiblub | TheJoe, the newly installed grub should overwrite the old grub, unless you're confusing some drives or something like that |
| 20:46.58 | xreal | I want to install KDE on Debian Lenny (installed by netinstall), what do I need to get a working GUI? apt-get install KDE only? |
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| 20:47.26 | greycat | probably 'apt-get install xorg kde' |
| 20:47.27 | TheJoe | blubberdiblub: It was probably that |
| 20:47.29 | nse | nvz: It's Portuguese. |
| 20:47.35 | TheJoe | At any rate, I'm hoping it's all over now |
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| 20:48.08 | nvz | nse: I don't mean to be rude, but if you can't rephrase that so it makes any sense what-so-ever in english, you need to go to the appropriate support channel for your language |
| 20:48.15 | blubberdiblub | TheJoe, most bios setups can be setup to boot from (read: search the MBR first on) a different drive |
| 20:48.20 | nvz | !br |
| 20:48.20 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:48.40 | TheJoe | blubberdiblub: I shall remember that for if there's a next time |
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| 20:49.22 | TheJoe | Now, concerning Wifi, I've downloaded Debs of firmware-ralink and rt73-common, I have an rt73 USB device - should that be ok... for now? |
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| 20:49.45 | rgr | nse: or try to make a little clearer. Someone will pick it up if there are not the same skilled resources in your native language channel. |
| 20:49.59 | deadcat | any reason why when i dont have .xsession, the eject button shows XF86Eject, and when i have .xsession, it doesnt recognize it? this is an apple bluetooth kb. |
| 20:50.37 | Justin | deadcat: because your .xsession takes the place of the standard session which likely properly sets input stuff up for you |
| 20:51.12 | deadcat | Justin: do you know which file would setup the key mappings? |
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| 20:51.30 | greycat | read the "standard session" and try to figure it out |
| 20:51.39 | nse | nvz: Sorry for that. I was trying to be cool. And that drives you nuts when outside native scope. :) |
| 20:51.45 | deadcat | greycat: k |
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| 20:52.11 | nvz | nse: I noticed that much. |
| 20:52.14 | TheJoe | Ok then... Wish me luck |
| 20:52.24 | deadcat | greycat: wheres the standard session? |
| 20:52.41 | greycat | um... /etc/X11/Xsession.d maybe? |
| 20:52.49 | deadcat | greycat: any chance you're using the apple bluetooth kb? (= |
| 20:52.52 | deadcat | k |
| 20:53.13 | greycat | looks like it's read by /etc/X11/Xsession which is a script |
| 20:53.32 | rgr | That will show him how xsession does it. Not how his previous session did it. |
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| 20:54.05 | greycat | if he's not using startx, xinit, or xdm, then I have no fuckin' clue where it reads commands |
| 20:54.15 | rgr | (or rather how it doesn't do it :-)) |
| 20:54.31 | sigmonsays | Can I tell apt to install a .deb w/o running the post install script |
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| 20:54.40 | ranix | X by itself will not read *any* thing |
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| 20:54.47 | deadcat | i am using startx, and xdm as well. |
| 20:54.51 | ranix | it will launch with no wm and no nothing unless you give it a --broadcast or something |
| 20:55.02 | ranix | startx is a script that launches .xinitrc in your homedir |
| 20:55.12 | ranix | iirc |
| 20:55.15 | ranix | !xinit |
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| 20:55.16 | deadcat | i have .xinitrc linked to .xsession |
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| 20:55.35 | rgr | dead you don't have an .Xsession do you? |
| 20:55.45 | nvz | sigmonsays: know its going to break? |
| 20:55.51 | drasko | hi all, I am running into the problem: Requested 'gtk+-2.0 >= 2.14.4' but version of GTK+ is 2.12.12. How to force installing of higher version? |
| 20:55.56 | deadcat | rgr: nope. just .xsession |
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| 20:56.16 | sigmonsays | nvz, it's part of a bootstrap process and it's forking crap and breaking my stuff |
| 20:56.31 | xaashi | hi, i'm trying to build a custom kernel to distribute for a number of machine, and the error '/lib/modules/2.6.24-7/modules.dep: no such file or directory' when attempting to boot. however, the file is there when i look at the file system after installing the kernel package |
| 20:56.34 | greycat | judd, versions libgtk2.0 |
| 20:56.35 | judd | greycat: libgtk2.0 -- |
| 20:56.36 | xaashi | anyone seen this before |
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| 20:56.41 | greycat | judd, versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 20:56.41 | judd | greycat: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.16.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.18.3-1 squeeze: 2.18.3-1 |
| 20:56.42 | xaashi | thanks in advance |
| 20:56.52 | greycat | drasko: ask dpkg about backports |
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| 20:57.17 | ranix | xaashi: did you do apt-get build-dep <packagename> where packagename is your kernel source package? |
| 20:57.35 | rgr | deadcat: and whats in your .xinitrc? Maybe its breaking the startup? |
| 20:57.38 | nvz | sigmonsays: I generally just hack the script and put exit 0 at the top, but there are other voodoo I'm not particularly experienced with. I notice D-I does a lot of such crap to avoid breakage like ignoreing predepends and leaving things unconfigured and whatnot |
| 20:57.40 | drasko | greycat, how? |
| 20:57.41 | xaashi | ranix, no, i dowloaded from kernel.org |
| 20:57.51 | greycat | "/msg dpkg backports" |
| 20:58.12 | ranix | xaashi: oh. Did you ./configure and stuff? Everything you need should have come in the tarball from kernel.org |
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| 20:58.18 | sigmonsays | nvz, yah there is some way for sure, just not sure of what yet. debootstrap has to do it somehow |
| 20:58.22 | xaashi | ranix, yep on configure |
| 20:58.49 | xaashi | ranix: and i have virtually everyting going built -- just to make sure it boots |
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| 20:58.53 | deadcat | rgr: http://pastebin.com/m1f807146 |
| 20:59.03 | rgr | try with an empty .xsession. |
| 20:59.17 | rgr | jus for fun to reduce the possibilities for error |
| 20:59.24 | deadcat | k |
| 20:59.31 | xaashi | ranix: - i ran the make-kpkg ... --initrd kernel_image as given by deb. tutorials also |
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| 21:00.05 | xreal | I'm in GRUB at the moment, how can I boot from DVD? |
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| 21:01.28 | deadcat | rgr: it works if i have exec openbox in .xsession |
| 21:01.42 | deadcat | works = the eject button is showing in xev |
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| 21:02.13 | nvz | xreal: restart the machine, enter the bios setup, tell it to boot cd first.. some machines allow you to press F12 or such to bring up a boot device quick menu without modyfing cmos settings |
| 21:02.32 | xreal | nvz: I think, my CDROM makes an error with AHCI-mode ;-( |
| 21:02.53 | nvz | ugh.. sata drive eh? |
| 21:03.10 | rgr | deadcat: and with an empty .xsession? What did you remove so that it now works? |
| 21:03.13 | xreal | yep |
| 21:03.17 | xreal | let me retry |
| 21:03.21 | nvz | I've never seen one so I don't know any tricks there |
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| 21:03.49 | xaashi | ranix: thanks man, i ran "mkinitramfs -o ... " to build the ramdisk before |
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| 21:04.15 | deadcat | rgr: it wont work with empty .xsession because it has to execute a window manager. |
| 21:04.18 | xaashi | ranix: and running "update-inintramfs -c -k .. " instead seems to boot it ! |
| 21:04.33 | deadcat | rgr: i am gonna comment out everything i have in my orig file and uncomment them 1 at a time. )= |
| 21:04.58 | rgr | but did your WM come up before? Is openbox your WM? (never heard of it btw :-)) |
| 21:05.02 | deadcat | bassically i just want to get my apple bluetooth kb to work (eject button, and the fn button_. dont know what i am doing wrong. |
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| 21:05.31 | deadcat | rgr: it was working until the .xsession is empty. |
| 21:05.44 | deadcat | because my orig file has exec openbox at the bottom of the file. |
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| 21:06.07 | xaashi | incidentally - anyone, shouldn't 'initrd.img-' be created automatically by kernel builds using make-kpkg |
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| 21:08.41 | rgr | then we know that openbox is configing your keys. So look in .config/openbox/austostatr or whatever it is it does. |
| 21:09.33 | Kennie` | hi im running debian 5.0 for a gameserver (dell r200 quadcore 2.8 ghz), an old gameserver with the same config did 80% cpu on a p4 2.8 running ubuntu, the new server does about 100% cpu for exactly the same gameserver (according to htop). it's all kinda slow ingame... anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 21:09.57 | Kennie` | htop also shows a load of 0.40-0.50 and avarage 10-15% cpu usage per core |
| 21:11.27 | Justin | Kennie`: 10-15% is not 100%. make up your mind |
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| 21:13.13 | Kennie` | Justin: i only say what htop and top both report me |
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| 21:14.08 | Justin | Kennie`: find a benchmark that you can run that is not a game |
| 21:14.13 | deadcat | rgr: its xbindkeys thats causing the problem. |
| 21:14.21 | Justin | Kennie`: like gzip or something |
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| 21:14.41 | Justin | Kennie`: run something like that, and a networking benchmark |
| 21:14.41 | fireflyseo | hey yeall |
| 21:14.45 | fireflyseo | newbie here |
| 21:14.53 | Justin | Kennie`: as in, something a little more scientific than "all kinda slow" |
| 21:14.58 | fireflyseo | where on debian file system are mysql databases held? |
| 21:15.15 | ranix | /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:15.37 | ranix | those files will be out-of-date unless you /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 21:15.54 | drasko | greycat, even with lenny-backports I have problem: Requested 'libglade-2.0 >= 2.6.3' but version of Libglade is 2.6.2 |
| 21:15.55 | ranix | and you cannot copy them to a non-identical version |
| 21:16.07 | ranix | for backups, use mysqlbackup or similar |
| 21:16.20 | fireflyseo | I have databases on a mnt disk that I need to copy to a brand new image |
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| 21:16.41 | rgr | deadcat: great you found it. sorry was just playing nexuiz :-) OGL really does work well now .... |
| 21:17.04 | fireflyseo | Anyone know a quick comand to do that? |
| 21:17.20 | ranix | cp? |
| 21:17.26 | fireflyseo | lol |
| 21:17.37 | fireflyseo | perhaps cp the files then use mysqldump |
| 21:17.38 | fireflyseo | ? |
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| 21:18.02 | ranix | if you are not copying to an identical mysql version you cannot copy over the files in /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:18.06 | rgr | I doutb it would be wise to copy a running DB. Can yo not export? |
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| 21:18.44 | Kennie` | Justin: network is fine, ping gives low latency and download go about 50mbit out of 100mbit. gzip on a 100mbit.bin does 7s on the xeon, 10s on the p4 |
| 21:19.02 | Justin | Kennie`: doesn't look like you have a problem then |
| 21:19.10 | fireflyseo | they are not running db's |
| 21:19.14 | mahmood | hi |
| 21:19.20 | WhiteCrow1 | mahmood: hi |
| 21:19.21 | WhiteCrow1 | :D |
| 21:19.25 | drasko | I have problem: Requested 'libglade-2.0 >= 2.6.3' but version of Libglade is 2.6.2 |
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| 21:19.46 | mahmood | i have a question about ext4 |
| 21:19.46 | ranix | judd: versions libglade |
| 21:19.49 | judd | ranix: libglade -- |
| 21:19.49 | Kennie` | Justin: might console output into screen causing it? |
| 21:19.59 | Justin | Kennie`: no |
| 21:20.03 | fireflyseo | Could I copy the databases from /mnt/var/lib/myqsl to /var/lib/mysql and then run an export? |
| 21:20.08 | ranix | judd: versions glade |
| 21:20.09 | judd | ranix: glade -- etch: 2.12.1-7 lenny: 3.4.5-3 sid: 3.6.7-1 squeeze: 3.6.7-1 |
| 21:20.20 | fireflyseo | I.e. would the new mysql database pick them up? |
| 21:20.40 | ranix | judd: versions libglade2 |
| 21:20.40 | judd | ranix: libglade2 -- |
| 21:20.42 | ranix | fck |
| 21:20.44 | ranix | I will give up |
| 21:20.50 | mahmood | please help me about mounting my /home in ext4 type |
| 21:21.14 | msd | hmmm |
| 21:21.19 | msd | the external fsck did fix it |
| 21:21.24 | msd | it became writable |
| 21:21.26 | msd | and booted |
| 21:21.30 | mahmood | how |
| 21:21.38 | mahmood | can you explane it please |
| 21:21.50 | msd | but it screwed up the file system permissions sice all had become 777 or similar |
| 21:22.02 | msd | therefore i cannot become root anymore and so on |
| 21:22.06 | mahmood | no problem |
| 21:22.23 | msd | i did read up on a cron tip but i cannot fix cron either |
| 21:22.35 | msd | i still have the original drive with the right partitions |
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| 21:23.01 | mahmood | msd: can you help me please? |
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| 21:23.09 | cheako | OffTopic: Any one know if and where a build of Chromium OS can be found? |
| 21:23.11 | msd | I am able to copy permission data from lets say hda1 to hdc1 |
| 21:23.17 | Justin | msd: yes |
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| 21:23.58 | deadcat | anyone uses apple bluetooth kb? i cant get the fn button to work. kinna need insert/del/pgup/pgdown/home/end |
| 21:23.58 | Justin | msd: cd /mnt/hda1;find -printf "chmod %m %p \n" > /tmp/fix.sh |
| 21:23.58 | mahmood | everybody please help me. |
| 21:23.58 | mahmood | im newbie |
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| 21:26.14 | Kraftzwerk | when downloading the same torrents with two clients, can I sync/merge those (partial) torrents into a (theoretically) more complete one? deluge local peer exchange refuses to work. might rsync be the appropriate tool? |
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| 21:26.53 | nvz | ugh synergy is taking a shit on me |
| 21:26.53 | Kraftzwerk | purely for educational purposes, ofc |
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| 21:27.25 | greycat | Kraftzwerk: a partially-downloaded torrent is a bunch of /dev/zero written to a single file, with pieces overwritten as blocks come in. |
| 21:27.42 | greycat | Kraftzwerk: so, I rather doubt you can meaningfully merge two partially downloaded torrents into one valid content file. |
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| 21:28.13 | cheako | Kraftzwerk: The best way would be to have these clients peer with each other. This is likely a missing feature of torrent clients, gnutella has the ability to specify a host to connect two. |
| 21:28.19 | pom | ./myScript.sh *.jpg, how can I loop thru *.jpg in myScript.sh? |
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| 21:28.31 | greycat | pom: for jpg; do |
| 21:28.44 | greycat | pom: or if you feel verbose: for jpg in "$@"; do |
| 21:28.53 | nvz | what a pita, I have no idea why synergy is suddenly refusing to work |
| 21:29.04 | Kennie` | Justin: problem fixed by setting the program to 1 core |
| 21:29.20 | Justin | Kennie`: program sounds broken |
| 21:29.24 | cheako | Kraftzwerk: You could try and setup your own tracker that shadows another tracker but makes your hosts more likely to peer with each other. |
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| 21:30.06 | Kraftzwerk | or use a bt client that has a (working) local peer exchange... |
| 21:30.15 | pom | greycat: Excellent. Thanks. |
| 21:30.18 | Kraftzwerk | but a nice suggestion anyway. thx cheak & greycat |
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| 21:31.00 | msd | Justin what would i do with the generated .sh? |
| 21:31.11 | msd | how do i enforce it on /hdc1 |
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| 21:31.22 | Justin | msd: cd /hcd1;sh /tmp/fix.sh ? |
| 21:31.41 | Justin | msd: you are probably better off just running rsync though |
| 21:31.48 | Justin | msd: since there is probably much more than just permissions broke |
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| 21:32.42 | msd | k |
| 21:32.49 | msd | ill see what rsync those for me |
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| 21:37.03 | JyZyXEL | Usage: at [-V] [-q x] [-f file] [-mldbv] time |
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| 21:37.10 | JyZyXEL | where does the command come that you wanna execute |
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| 21:37.23 | greycat | stdin |
| 21:37.33 | eatnumber11 | is it possible for a single file/folder to have multiple owners (without using acls)? |
| 21:37.38 | greycat | no |
| 21:37.40 | eatnumber11 | k |
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| 21:37.47 | JyZyXEL | stdin didn't work |
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| 21:37.54 | JyZyXEL | it just executed the command right away |
| 21:37.54 | DustyDingo | he |
| 21:37.55 | msd | the mbr and grub is fine on target disk |
| 21:37.58 | msd | hdc1 |
| 21:38.02 | msd | rsync wont interfere? |
| 21:38.10 | DustyDingo | any good ideas, how i can put /var/cache/apt onto a tmpfs? |
| 21:38.15 | greycat | JyZyXEL: you did it wrong. |
| 21:38.31 | DustyDingo | because it needs some files in it |
| 21:38.34 | JyZyXEL | hows so |
| 21:38.36 | DustyDingo | on boot time |
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| 21:39.16 | greycat | how would I know? you didn't tell me what you did. all I know is you didn't do what you were supposed to. |
| 21:39.37 | greycat | type "at now + 10 minutes" or whatever. Hit Enter. Type your command. Hit Enter. Press Ctrl-D. |
| 21:39.39 | JyZyXEL | command | at 13:37 |
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| 21:39.46 | greycat | echo 'command' | at 13:37 |
| 21:39.52 | greycat | if you insist on diong it that way. |
| 21:42.17 | greycat | another way is to use at ... <<'EOF' |
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| 21:44.26 | Justin | zsh lets you do at <<<'command' |
| 21:44.30 | Justin | not sure if bash does that |
| 21:44.37 | greycat | it does |
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| 21:44.59 | Shadur | I'm using the x86-64 version of debian, but I find myself requiring the 32-bit version of libSDL_image for a currently closed-source game. Is there any way I can install it? |
| 21:45.19 | greycat | <<< was added in bash 2.05b |
| 21:45.35 | Shadur | I noticed that libSDL does install a 32-bit compat version of itself as well, but libSDL_image doesn't. |
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| 21:48.18 | sheroux | hi |
| 21:48.22 | TheJoe | Fantastic |
| 21:48.29 | TheJoe | I had dependency hell, but I got it working |
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| 21:49.34 | TheJoe | Ok so after a while it just drops the connection |
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| 21:51.22 | qwd | I was about to install pdftk with "aptitude install pdftk" and got this: http://pastebin.com/d5e6b9b2c does that seem a bit odd to anyone else? 258mb, look at all those packages. 50! what does openjdk and pulseaudio have to do with anything? |
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| 21:52.42 | msd | rsync -vrpoglHDIt --exclude=/proc /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1 |
| 21:52.43 | sheroux | got a simple question: im trying Debian first time since Sarge, would i take the I386 livecd, or the Standard Livecd ? |
| 21:52.48 | msd | why wouldnt that work |
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| 21:54.24 | qwd | This is on Squeeze by the way, forgot to mention that |
| 21:55.02 | msd | k usint mount points now :D |
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| 21:56.05 | msd | hope this works |
| 21:56.07 | msd | grrr |
| 21:56.25 | msd | going from 10gb ide hdd to 4gb CF to boot is a b*@#$ |
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| 21:57.08 | mahmood | hi everybody - please help me |
| 21:57.14 | mahmood | pleaseee |
| 21:57.17 | mahmood | :(( |
| 21:57.20 | qwd | !ask |
| 21:57.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:57.35 | mahmood | ok |
| 21:57.35 | mahmood | i have aproblem |
| 21:57.45 | mahmood | with my /home partition |
| 21:57.52 | mahmood | becuse it is in ext4 format |
| 21:57.54 | qwd | !enter |
| 21:57.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:58.00 | evilhackerdude | lol... |
| 21:58.02 | evilhackerdude | !lol |
| 21:58.02 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:58.07 | evilhackerdude | ok, i got it |
| 21:58.14 | lumis | Hey, just picked up a new Samsung N140 netbook, but I can't get wired networking operational in Debian. In the installation process, it couldn't connect to the network (DHCP configuration failed,) so I specified a static configuration based on the working configuration of another PC on the LAN (with a different and definitely not in-use local IP address.) The r8169 driver is loaded and acknowledges that the link has gone down when I u |
| 21:58.21 | nvz | trying to use a network with a Motorola SBG900 connected to an 8port netgear hub is a bitch.. you dont know what a headache is.. heh.. trying having 2 netbooks (wifi), two notebooks (wifi), 3 wired desktops, and an xbox on a network with no QoS all being controlled by a shitty over-integrated embedded modem/router/ap |
| 21:58.23 | TheJoe | Hmm |
| 21:58.48 | mahmood | excuase me |
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| 21:59.19 | mahmood | i have a problem with mounting my /home becuse it is in ext4 format and i am migrating from ubuntu to debian |
| 21:59.20 | msd | mahmood finish Q |
| 21:59.32 | mahmood | no mr msd |
| 21:59.37 | msd | u are prob able to downgrade to ext3 ? |
| 21:59.39 | msd | i am not sure |
| 21:59.42 | mahmood | msd: please help me |
| 21:59.47 | nvz | I need a f'n linux router, a 5 port switch and a linux compatible wifi card to replace all this nonsense and use the damn modem as nothing more than a modem. |
| 21:59.47 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:59.48 | msd | never went further than ext3 |
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| 22:00.15 | jelly-hme | mahmood: you'll need a newer kernel to mount the filesystem. /msg dpkg backports, you can install 2.6.30 from there |
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| 22:00.18 | mahmood | msd: plase explane it |
| 22:00.29 | mahmood | msd: my english is too bad |
| 22:00.45 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm gaving problems with trying to get an ip |
| 22:00.46 | TheJoe | Yaaaay working wifi |
| 22:00.49 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 22:00.50 | judd | jelly-hme: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 22:01.03 | vinc456 | How can I find out where a package was installed? |
| 22:01.22 | vinc456 | I used aptitude but I think there's option to dpkg that will work. |
| 22:01.25 | mahmood | judd: ok and thanx |
| 22:01.31 | judd | mahmood: Error: "ok" is not a valid command. |
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| 22:01.38 | jelly-hme | vinc456: dpkg -L packagename lists its contents |
| 22:01.50 | vinc456 | Thanks. |
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| 22:01.58 | lumis | Can anyone help me? |
| 22:02.00 | TheJoe | So are there official Debian repos? I'd like to add any appropriate ones to sources |
| 22:02.03 | msd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.05 | Seth_Hikaru | No |
| 22:02.13 | TheJoe | They don't seem to be there by default |
| 22:02.14 | msd | is that rsync way of saying overwrite? |
| 22:02.28 | mahmood | judd: is upgrading help to mount my /home partiion or i must convert it to ext3? |
| 22:02.28 | judd | mahmood: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 22:02.37 | jelly-hme | mahmood: judd is a bot. |
| 22:02.49 | nvz | actually, now that I think about it, my broken thinkpad might be able to handle this task.. just dont know if I want to trust the wifi in the hands of the cisco aironet on there.. heh |
| 22:02.55 | TheJoe | "Judd" is a really ambiguous name for a bot |
| 22:02.56 | mahmood | jelly-hme: tans |
| 22:03.06 | jelly-hme | mahmood: did you do that "/msg dpkg backports" command in your irc client? |
| 22:03.18 | Seth_Hikaru | So can anyone provide a solution to my ongoing problem |
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| 22:03.22 | sheroux | got a simple question: im trying Debian first time since Sarge, would i take the I386 livecd, or the Standard Livecd ? |
| 22:03.26 | mahmood | jelly-hme: im a newbie |
| 22:03.27 | nvz | or if I can even get that thing to work as an AP |
| 22:03.36 | Seth_Hikaru | my network is still being dumb |
| 22:03.57 | jelly-hme | mahmood: what is your native language? |
| 22:04.12 | mahmood | jelly-hme: persian |
| 22:04.34 | mahmood | jelly-hme: can you help me please? |
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| 22:05.06 | mahmood | jelly-hme: i have a problem with my ext4 |
| 22:05.34 | Seth_Hikaru | whenever i go into change roaming mode to dhcp then save the config file close the network properties and open it its reverted back to roaming |
| 22:05.38 | mahmood | jelly-hme: any body there? |
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| 22:05.48 | jelly-hme | mahmood: I can't help you if you don't follow what I say. |
| 22:05.57 | nvz | oh right.. not to mention I need two wired network ports.. oh well.. |
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| 22:06.04 | Seth_Hikaru | anyway to fix this |
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| 22:06.29 | mahmood | jelly-hme: plase say it again - i dont undrestand what you said |
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| 22:07.40 | mahmood | jelly-hme: what can i do now? |
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| 22:08.14 | jelly-hme | mahmood: uh... learn English, I guess. :-( |
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| 22:09.16 | mahmood | jelly-hme: tanx but what can i do now? |
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| 22:09.44 | jelly-hme | mahmood: type in "/msg dpkg backports", then read what dpkg says. |
| 22:09.49 | mahmood | jelly-hme: all of my data are in my /home partition and its in ext4 format |
| 22:10.28 | TheJoe | Oh damn |
| 22:10.31 | TheJoe | I just noticed I have no audio |
| 22:11.13 | babilen | hands TheJoe an audio |
| 22:11.20 | TheJoe | Wheee! |
| 22:11.47 | xNinja | is there a nice terminal utility to show any established/new connections to the server ? like netstat -utlap but in real time ? |
| 22:11.49 | mahmood | jelly-hme: thanx but i type that command and nothing happend |
| 22:11.49 | mahmood | anyway thankyou and bye |
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| 22:12.23 | blizzow1 | Does sid come with some kind of default firewalling enabled? I have started the apache2 service and backuppc but can't access either service. running nmap localhost says it thinks it's down. |
| 22:12.32 | jelly-hme | blizzow1: it doesn't |
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| 22:13.10 | TheJoe | And so netselect-apt fails at writing to sources.list, with no error |
| 22:13.39 | babilen | blizzow1: no |
| 22:14.37 | jelly-hme | xNinja: there's iptraf or iptstate, and probably more |
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| 22:18.09 | xNinja | jelly-hme i found that watch netstat -utlap can do that :D that was easy but i didn`t tried watch before...watch is cool :P |
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| 22:22.23 | TheJoe | Like any good Linux user, Compiz Fusion is the first thing I get working before anything else |
| 22:23.21 | ruben23 | hi any networkers here can suggest.. |
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| 22:23.46 | TheJoe | !ask |
| 22:23.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:26.27 | ruben23 | actually problem is getting any suggestion how do i netwoek a 200 client approximately...ahveing voice nad data traffic..whihc i intend to be managed by a debian server eventually but still im on the network planning still. |
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| 22:28.35 | xNinja | when i run ettercap on a virtual machine using venet0:0 i get this error |
| 22:28.36 | xNinja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.25 | \amethyst | res22: ##networking might be helpful |
| 22:30.29 | \amethyst | oop |
| 22:30.34 | \amethyst | ruben23: ##networking might be helpful |
| 22:31.05 | TheJoe | See, I sound picky, but is there a way to get Nautilus a little more... comprehensive than it is now? |
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| 22:32.11 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.24 | qp_pq | is there a standard place on disk where you place files that users share ? |
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| 22:36.29 | lumis | is the r8169 driver in Lenny faulty? can't get a connection with an RTL8101E/RTL8102E card |
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| 22:38.35 | blizzow1 | anyone have an idea of why I wouldn't be able to see my own machine via tcp but other hosts can see it and connect to it? |
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| 22:39.35 | uskerine | hi |
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| 22:40.10 | uskerine | I am trying to run "dtterm" in debian. It works perfectly on debian "etch", but it is not working in my asus eee |
| 22:40.20 | uskerine | I got the following message: "unable to set non-blocking on pty" |
| 22:40.23 | TheJoe | Awww :( |
| 22:40.23 | uskerine | any ideas? |
| 22:40.30 | TheJoe | Must I use rebranded Firefox? |
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| 22:45.09 | jelly-hme | no, there's nothing to stop you from installing Mozilla's tarball. |
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| 22:45.52 | pav5088 | If I wanted to non-interactively change the password for a user how would I do it? |
| 22:46.04 | pav5088 | ie. in a debian system |
| 22:46.08 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.03 | aeg | any backuppc users here ? |
| 22:47.08 | _sleepy_ | hi |
| 22:47.25 | uskerine | What is /dev/ttyp1? |
| 22:47.32 | blizzow1 | aeg: I just installed it on my box. |
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| 22:48.05 | _sleepy_ | someone succeded in intalling nvidia driver on squeeze with the "debian way"? |
| 22:48.18 | aeg | I have a server backup, I'm rebuilding the pc (so the server is not online) but it's going to take some more days |
| 22:48.20 | nvz | _sleepy_: not possible |
| 22:48.27 | _sleepy_ | ah |
| 22:48.34 | aeg | now i see that my backup are disapering ! how can i stop that ? |
| 22:48.38 | nvz | _sleepy_: I just installed squeeze on an nvidia machine a few days ago.. |
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| 22:48.56 | nvz | _sleepy_: the packages depend on 2.6.26 when 2.6.30 is in squeeze and 2.6.26 is not available |
| 22:48.58 | themill | _sleepy_: of course -- /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 22:49.02 | themill | nvz: ^^ |
| 22:49.03 | _sleepy_ | so only with nvidia installer and only driver 185? |
| 22:49.08 | nvz | themill: ^^ yourself |
| 22:49.16 | nvz | hehe |
| 22:49.32 | themill | !^^ |
| 22:49.32 | dpkg | On IRC ^^ means "look at the line above" not raise eyebrows or whatever you seem to think it means! |
| 22:49.37 | nvz | _sleepy_: maybe look into the sgfxi, smxi scripts (smxi.org) |
| 22:49.49 | themill | umm.. no. please don't |
| 22:49.54 | _sleepy_ | i tryed installing the new driver (190.4) with nvidia installere but it doesn't work |
| 22:50.59 | nvz | yeah the packages in sid on the other hand may work |
| 22:51.18 | _sleepy_ | no, i already tryed |
| 22:51.20 | nvz | this just shows how fucked our development cycle can be at times |
| 22:51.52 | _sleepy_ | :| |
| 22:51.52 | nvz | well the factoid themill suggested is basically saying to do just that |
| 22:52.02 | nvz | I just installed the nvidia binary |
| 22:52.14 | nvz | which is what I have always done |
| 22:52.28 | nvz | because the debian method (tm) just never seems to work |
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| 22:52.51 | nvz | if you know how to login on a console and re-run the binary when you upgrade, theres no issue |
| 22:52.53 | themill | nvz: and which #debian asks you repeatedly not to recommend to people because it creates more problems in the long run |
| 22:53.21 | nvz | themill: for who? the fact that the f'n nvidia packages are habitually broken cause problems for people like you and me.. |
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| 22:53.40 | themill | nvz: they're not broken in stable. |
| 22:53.44 | _sleepy_ | i wanted to try 190.4 because with 185 sometime i have problems with kde4 graphical effects |
| 22:53.44 | nvz | where as I recommend the nvidia binary, people are happy, until they upgrade and it breaks.. heh |
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| 22:54.00 | nvz | then I just tell them to do it again, and they are happy again until the next upgrade |
| 22:54.14 | subopt | How do i find out what the key combo '^x' maps to in the xterms on my system? |
| 22:54.42 | nvz | themill: that may be.. but I'd tried them everytime I've had a piece of nvidia hardware come through my hands over the years and they've never worked for me once |
| 22:54.48 | flokuehn | pav5088: what exactly do you mean with non-interactively? |
| 22:54.51 | nvz | themill: I cannot recommend something I've never seen work |
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| 22:55.01 | nvz | themill: over something that has worked for me everytime |
| 22:55.14 | themill | nvz: have you reported bugs against these packages? |
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| 22:55.39 | dirkson | Does anyone know offhand what I would restart to make alsa recognize my sound card? I had it unplugged when I booted last week, and restarting /etc/init.d/alsautils doesn't seem to work. |
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| 22:55.47 | andre_pl | I recently had some HDD Problems and had to run a e2fsck -c on my drive to mark the bad blocks, it has been "Updating bad block inode" for well over 36 hours and is now using 700MB of ram. should I be worried? |
| 22:55.47 | themill | nvz: and are you promising to be around 24 hours per day, 7 days per week to support these users who you are recommending to use things that are outside debian? |
| 22:55.52 | _sleepy_ | nvz: have you squeeze with 185 driver now? |
| 22:56.04 | nvz | themill: the point of which being? I've been around long enough to know if its not caught in testing/unstable or isnt security related, it doesng get fixed |
| 22:56.56 | nvz | _sleepy_: I'm using squeeze on this box with nvidia driver version 173.14.22 |
| 22:56.59 | pav5088 | flokuehn, I think I've answered my question anyway... mkpasswd looks like it will do the trick. I want to change a password without user interaction. |
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| 22:57.09 | nvz | _sleepy_: I have a GeForce 5200FX, so I use an older driver |
| 22:57.18 | _sleepy_ | ah, ok |
| 22:57.20 | themill | nvz: by not even trying to report bugs (let alone fix them), you lose all rights to complain. kthxbye. |
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| 22:58.44 | exes | any way to specify the LVM sizes during the text install? |
| 22:59.26 | nvz | themill: I'm not complaining, I'm just telling you what I know.. I've never tested anything but the 5200 and the 6100 as thats all I've ever gotten my hands on for free, and the shit has never worked. Bug reports or not, I move right along to making it work for the time being.. and the nvidia binaries do that. The bottom line is I will not recommend something that I've NEVER seen work, over something that has ALWAYS worked. I'm well aware of the |
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| 23:00.01 | TheJoe | Cool. I have no permission to any of my music |
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| 23:00.36 | nvz | I think the debianized nvidia packages are a great f'n idea, but the fact of the matter is, they've never worked, especially on the legacy hardware I've tested em on |
| 23:00.50 | _sleepy_ | I also have a Radeon 9200. You say it would be better that card? |
| 23:01.13 | _sleepy_ | How are the ATI drivers? |
| 23:01.19 | nvz | _sleepy_: I would not ever recommend anything above nvidia when it comes to GFX performance or ease of setup |
| 23:01.31 | nvz | personally. |
| 23:02.06 | nvz | If you offered me a Radeon 9600 for that matter, or a Geforce 5200, I'd take the Geforce |
| 23:02.41 | drasko | how to get some packet from testing/unstable version? |
| 23:02.55 | _sleepy_ | ok |
| 23:02.58 | _sleepy_ | ty |
| 23:02.58 | themill | !wayttd drasko |
| 23:02.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, drasko? |
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| 23:03.08 | lumis | Network autoconfiguration keeps failing in the Debian net install... can anyone help? |
| 23:03.29 | nvz | I got my ATI in my thinkpad to work, but that was the only time I ever got a Radeon to work at all, and it wasnt easy, nor was it much better than your standard Intel GME as far as performance went |
| 23:03.32 | drasko | themill, I am trying to upgrade VLC which has a bug in lenny |
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| 23:04.13 | qwd | drasko: read the pm from dpkg |
| 23:04.16 | themill | drasko: just trying to pull vlc is unlikely to work but last time I looked it was fairly straightforward to backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:04.20 | nvz | _sleepy_: but I am not big on graphics or new hardware, I don't game, and I don't buy hardware.. I get the crap for free more than I can use.. so.. thats just my experiene from 2nd hand legacy hardware |
| 23:05.07 | _sleepy_ | my hardware is not very different i have a geforce 6200 |
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| 23:05.33 | nvz | _sleepy_: amd64 system with onboard gfx? |
| 23:05.40 | lumis | does everyone have me on /ignore or something? |
| 23:05.46 | nvz | lumis: yep |
| 23:05.48 | dirkson | Great. Now I've actually rebooted my computer. Rebooted!! |
| 23:05.56 | _sleepy_ | no, it's amd 32 |
| 23:06.03 | _sleepy_ | amd sempon |
| 23:06.12 | _sleepy_ | r |
| 23:06.16 | nvz | lumis: seriously though, I haven't seen you ask anything |
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| 23:06.20 | drasko | themill, I tried apt-get install -t lenny-backports vlc, but it says vlc is already the newest version. |
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| 23:07.15 | themill | drasko: unless you happen to have a repository called "lenny-backports" into which you've put your own backport of vlc, that's not going to work. You need to make your own backport which is what dpkg would have told you how to do. |
| 23:07.15 | nvz | lumis: describe your situation.. DHCP in the netinstall failing is a bit vague |
| 23:07.17 | lumis | ok sorry guys :P just bought a new netbook and I'm a little annoyed I can't get Debian working on it... not sure who else can help |
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| 23:07.29 | nvz | lumis: what kind of netbook? |
| 23:07.41 | lumis | Samsung n140 |
| 23:07.47 | lumis | (copypasta from earlier): In the installation process, it couldn't connect to the network (DHCP configuration failed,) so I specified a static configuration based on the working configuration of another PC on the LAN (with a different and definitely not in-use local IP address.) The r8169 driver is loaded and acknowledges that the link has gone down when I unplug the cable. I've modified /etc/network/interfaces to use DHCP rather than |
| 23:07.47 | nvz | ah, never heard of it.. heh |
| 23:07.51 | lumis | heh :P |
| 23:07.54 | nvz | I got an AspireOne here working fine |
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| 23:08.39 | nvz | lumis: message ends at "DHCP rather than" |
| 23:09.04 | lumis | nvz: sorry, '... rather than the manual configuration I had, and restarted networking, but nothing. When I run dhclient, it defaults to a different subnet address, not sure what the problem is, does anyone have any idea what the problem may be?' |
| 23:09.55 | jelly-hme | pav5088: also, chpasswd |
| 23:10.04 | nvz | lumis: so its hooked to a router then? |
| 23:10.14 | lumis | nvz: yea, tried various cables too |
| 23:10.31 | nvz | lumis: so that rules out a broadband modem caching the mac id |
| 23:10.40 | nvz | of another system |
| 23:10.53 | msd | praise the lord i got it working |
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| 23:10.57 | msd | 4gb CF powerrrr |
| 23:11.08 | nvz | lumis: checked the dhcp leases on the router? maybe there are not any addresses left in the pool.. |
| 23:11.15 | nvz | due to stale leases or something |
| 23:11.19 | lumis | nvz: nah there are plenty |
| 23:11.41 | nvz | lumis: sounds like famous last words to me |
| 23:11.56 | lumis | nvz: heh, I really have checked |
| 23:11.56 | nvz | lumis: I remember Bill Gates saying 64k ought to be enough for anybody |
| 23:12.10 | exes | nvz: you were there? |
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| 23:12.21 | nvz | exes: I wish, I would kicked him in the nuts |
| 23:12.22 | aeg | 640k |
| 23:12.29 | nvz | aeg: ty |
| 23:12.32 | lumis | nvz: I'm toying with compiling the drivers from the realtek site and trying, but without a network, it's going to take forever to get gcc and all the other shizzle necessary to compile modules installed... |
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| 23:12.47 | lumis | might have to though |
| 23:13.07 | nvz | lumis: idk, I'd try flushing the active leases on the router and starting with a clean pool first |
| 23:13.32 | exes | lumis: you need a magnet and some 220V leads |
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| 23:13.39 | lumis | :P |
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| 23:14.01 | nvz | lumis: especially if its some junky hardware type deal you buy at the store that auto-configures itself |
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| 23:14.21 | BubbaT | Is there a way, a trigger or something, that when my wirecard connects to a router, it tries to mount several remote volumes? |
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| 23:14.40 | exes | probably more of an OS question |
| 23:14.42 | exes | BubbaT |
| 23:14.47 | BubbaT | s/wirecard/wirelessscard/ |
| 23:15.06 | exes | you need if-up/down scripts or the equivilent for your OS |
| 23:15.17 | nvz | BubbaT: preup and whatnot.. see the ifupdown manpages |
| 23:15.26 | nvz | perhaps |
| 23:15.50 | exes | nvz: don't instruct users to rtfm, that isn't why we're here |
| 23:16.09 | nvz | haha |
| 23:16.29 | nvz | exes: I'll gladly hand this one over to you, and take my ipod for a walk.. |
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| 23:16.52 | exes | I've already taken two steps in to my walk, so you'll have to take this |
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| 23:17.13 | exes | now I'm not even at my desk |
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| 23:17.53 | nvz | yeah well I don't even have a desk.. I got my shit sitting on legos right now.. which are toys, and this seems too much like work to involve toys.. |
| 23:17.57 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:18.22 | nvz | seriously does have his computer sitting on giant legos |
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| 23:27.25 | danila | i use weechat |
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| 23:36.47 | lumis | nvz: thanks for the help earlier, I'm trying with testing, and so far so good :) |
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| 23:38.35 | qwd | Squeeze AMD64 gnome-desktop-environment. I was about to install pdftk with "aptitude install pdftk" and got this: http://pastebin.com/d5e6b9b2c does that seem odd to anyone else? 50 packages, 258mb! what does openjdk and pulseaudio have to do with pdftk? |
| 23:39.15 | \amethyst | qwd: pdftk is written in java |
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| 23:39.35 | \amethyst | qwd: aptitude why <package> will show why a particular package is being selected |
| 23:40.06 | \amethyst | qwd: probably a lot of those are recommends, and aptitude -R install pdftk will install less |
| 23:40.07 | themill | probably needs the two package form though, "aptitude why pdftk pulseaudio" |
| 23:40.14 | \amethyst | oh, good point |
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| 23:40.45 | themill | qwd: the bulk of that size is probably those silly fonts that the JREs drag in as recommends. |
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| 23:41.25 | bassliner | can it happen that an IDE hard disk in a laptop gets used as "sda" instead of "hda" with modern linux? |
| 23:41.43 | bassliner | (tho it actually is an IDE drive...)? |
| 23:41.44 | themill | bassliner: yes, if it's using a libata based driver. |
| 23:41.58 | \amethyst | bassliner: yes, and that is rather common |
| 23:42.07 | bassliner | themill: can i reliably say if it is the case without looking into the system? |
| 23:42.12 | \amethyst | bassliner: I haven't seen 'hda' in a few years |
| 23:42.22 | macrobat | ah, device name depends on the driver :) |
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| 23:42.29 | bassliner | \amethyst: yea me neither... |
| 23:42.46 | \amethyst | bassliner: look in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 23:43.04 | qwd | \amethyst: oh I see. thanks. "w pulseaudio" said "unable to find a reason" though so that one's a mystery |
| 23:43.08 | themill | I have a number of lenny boxes with hd? drives still. |
| 23:43.22 | \amethyst | bassliner: usually you can tell by the name of the link whether it's SATA or IDE |
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| 23:44.02 | macrobat | i see my ide as /dev/hda should i change drivers? :) |
| 23:44.06 | \amethyst | bassliner: or, at least, there will be a scsi-SATA_* link if it's SATA, perhaps in addition to another link |
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| 23:44.24 | bassliner | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/52254/ |
| 23:44.37 | bassliner | there's both... |
| 23:44.38 | qwd | themill: thanks, guess there's no harm in that. it just seemed weird to me |
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| 23:44.48 | \amethyst | bassliner: if you see both for the same device, then it's SATA |
| 23:45.10 | \amethyst | bassliner: if it were IDE, I don't think you would see the scsi-SATA_... link |
| 23:45.14 | xreal | How can I make gcc & Co. use both of my cores for building/making? I'm on DualCore, but only one core is used ;( |
| 23:45.26 | bassliner | \amethyst: oh wow, i thought this old thinkpad indeed would have just a damn 2.5" ide drive |
| 23:45.44 | jelly-hme | xreal: you can make -j3 |
| 23:45.48 | \amethyst | bassliner: hm |
| 23:45.59 | \amethyst | bassliner: yeah, I think I'm wrong |
| 23:46.06 | xreal | jelly-hme: What does it do? |
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| 23:46.16 | \amethyst | bassliner: because googling that model number shows that it's an ATA-6 drive |
| 23:46.20 | bassliner | \amethyst: i'm short of taking a screw driver and having a look |
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| 23:46.28 | bassliner | \amethyst: ah |
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| 23:46.36 | \amethyst | bassliner: (and hitachi uses 'AT' for IDE, 'SA' for SATA, in the model number) |
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| 23:46.53 | themill | xreal: "man make" and look at the -j option. |
| 23:46.57 | xreal | ok okay |
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| 23:47.04 | jelly-hme | xreal: let me RTFM for you... -j [jobs], --jobs[=jobs] Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. |
| 23:47.18 | xreal | Why does htop only show 2777 MB of RAM? I've got 4 GB installed (it's AMD64). |
| 23:47.39 | bassliner | \amethyst: i doubt the thinkpad will have an sata jack as well tho |
| 23:47.50 | bassliner | \amethyst: but i might have a look |
| 23:47.52 | bassliner | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 23:48.37 | uskerine | Hi, I need ptyp? and ttyp? devices under /dev |
| 23:48.44 | uskerine | why are they not being generated? |
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| 23:49.22 | \amethyst | uskerine: because that method of pty allocation has been deprecated for a long time... are you trying to run some old statically linked software? |
| 23:49.30 | jelly-hme | uskerine: Debian kernels don't have old style ptys built in any more |
| 23:49.47 | uskerine | that's bad news for me |
| 23:49.55 | uskerine | i am trying to run CDE (statically linked binaries) into debian |
| 23:49.58 | uskerine | it works in edge |
| 23:50.06 | uskerine | but not in the latest debian |
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| 23:50.20 | uskerine | is there any way to generate these devices? |
| 23:50.23 | jelly-hme | etch? "edge" is no Debian release. |
| 23:50.24 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 23:50.31 | uskerine | sorry |
| 23:50.32 | uskerine | :) |
| 23:50.33 | uskerine | etch |
| 23:51.00 | uskerine | and the new one i am installing is the asus eee flavour of debian |
| 23:51.08 | uskerine | which is debian 5.0 |
| 23:51.09 | jetscreamer | !punish uskerine |
| 23:51.09 | dpkg | cuts uskerine's balls off, slices them thin and feeds them to tux the penguin. |
| 23:51.16 | jelly-hme | uskerine: rebuild a custom kernel with relevant support, I guess |
| 23:51.55 | uskerine | is there any way to have these old ptys working? is it worth to generate them with mknod? |
| 23:51.57 | jelly-hme | CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS? Dunno. |
| 23:52.17 | jelly-hme | uskerine: the devices _won't_ work if the kernel doesn't support them. |
| 23:52.26 | uskerine | clear enough |
| 23:53.41 | \amethyst | it looks like CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS was disabled sometime between 2.6.18-6 and 2.6.26-2 |
| 23:53.41 | jelly-hme | use some other software if you can, etch will lose support around February 2010 |
| 23:54.11 | \amethyst | 2.6.20-1 |
| 23:54.16 | jelly-hme | uskerine: you can use it until then and plan an upgrade path, though |
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| 23:55.52 | \amethyst | uskerine: this is why the support was disabled: it required the initramfs to do extra work that is typically not useful |
| 23:56.04 | andre_pl | I recently had some HDD Problems and had to run a e2fsck -c on my drive to mark the bad blocks, it has been "Updating bad block inode" for well over 36 hours and is now using 700MB of ram. should I be worried? |
| 23:56.20 | \amethyst | uskerine: oops... this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338404 |
| 23:57.59 | uskerine | so if i recompile the kernel with this flag (CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS) |
| 23:58.01 | \amethyst | uskerine: so if you rebuild a kernel with that option turned on (and the rest of the config unchanged), you should get the devices. You *might* need a udev rule from an earlier version of udev, but I don't think you do |
| 23:58.03 | uskerine | it should also work, right? |
| 23:58.07 | \amethyst | uskerine: yes |
| 23:58.13 | uskerine | ok |
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| 23:58.32 | \amethyst | uskerine: make sure you don't turn off unix98 ptys, of course---you want both |
| 23:58.45 | uskerine | ok. i will anyway try to install etch, seems easier for me |
| 23:58.57 | uskerine | I am keeping running a very old binary compilation of CDE |
| 23:59.04 | uskerine | it is getting more and more difficult every year |
| 23:59.05 | \amethyst | uskerine: you could also use a 2.6.18 etch kernel with lenny |
| 23:59.23 | uskerine | is debian 5.x lenny? |
| 23:59.25 | \amethyst | uskerine: I have a lenny box that was upgraded from etch, but still has the old kernel, and I have those devices |
| 23:59.31 | \amethyst | uskerine: 5.0 is lenny, yes |
| 23:59.35 | uskerine | ok |
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| 23:59.46 | uskerine | so according to your experience, what should be easier? |
