| 00:00.00 | dutchfish | choking* |
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| 00:00.09 | Xgates | babilen: http://pastebin.com/m1c2b7cc1 |
| 00:00.27 | dutchfish | SparFux, and i always compile as non-root |
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| 00:01.38 | SparFux | dutchfish: I have no problems with it. not choking. and I use "fakeroot make-kpkg ..." |
| 00:01.45 | SparFux | but I changed that. --rootcmd is nicer. |
| 00:01.50 | dutchfish | SparFux, ok then |
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| 00:02.03 | babilen | Xgates: I am sorry, but Ubuntu is not supported in here. Head over to #ubuntu and ask them. |
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| 00:03.01 | Darkedge | !ubuntu |
| 00:03.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:03.09 | dutchfish | SparFux, did you also compile mesa from git for the neauvoux? |
| 00:03.14 | Darkedge | Xgates: ^^^ |
| 00:03.22 | SparFux | dutchfish: you mean the 3D? |
| 00:03.29 | dutchfish | SparFux, yes |
| 00:03.31 | Xgates | babilen: I run Lenny too that's why I asked in here so that when apt doesn't install I'm trying to remember the dpkg cmd to run to fix something broke or corrupt not just for Ubuntu |
| 00:03.32 | SparFux | dutchfish: no. |
| 00:03.41 | dutchfish | SparFux, it needs it |
| 00:03.54 | SparFux | dutchfish: the make-kpkg? |
| 00:03.58 | valdyn | Xgates: Exec format error means that the program/script is broken |
| 00:04.07 | dutchfish | SparFux, hehe no |
| 00:04.15 | valdyn | Xgates: the post-installation script should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst |
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| 00:04.52 | Xgates | valdyn: so how you fix this? |
| 00:04.52 | dutchfish | SparFux, your kernel if you want a staging driver for nvidia |
| 00:05.00 | valdyn | Xgates: you fix the script |
| 00:05.21 | dutchfish | SparFux, maybe also xorg, but that i am not sure |
| 00:05.29 | dutchfish | SparFux, from the git that is |
| 00:05.31 | valdyn | Xgates: thats where you head over to ubuntu, because i know nothing about ubuntu scripts and check the ubuntu bts anyway |
| 00:05.38 | Xgates | ok thans |
| 00:05.41 | Xgates | thanks |
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| 00:06.19 | TheAvatar | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org//srv/security-master.debian.org/ftp/pool/updates/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.8g-15+lenny5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 00:06.24 | valdyn | Xgates: if the script is ok in the package, reinstall it |
| 00:06.28 | chubaca | TheAvatar: we know. |
| 00:06.30 | TheAvatar | what do I do about such? Seems like the package is wrong? |
| 00:06.36 | TheAvatar | ah - can I somehow fix it manually? |
| 00:06.37 | chubaca | People are working on fixing it. |
| 00:06.39 | SparFux | dutchfish: I have nouveau running. It's cool in 2D. |
| 00:06.52 | SparFux | dutchfish: It's stable and dirt fast! |
| 00:06.54 | valdyn | TheAvatar: why are you using a master? |
| 00:07.04 | TheAvatar | I cant do something manual right now? I have a deadline in a maintenance window |
| 00:07.08 | chubaca | TheAvatar: yeah, you need to edit files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ manually. |
| 00:07.10 | TheAvatar | I dont - no idea where it gets that |
| 00:07.20 | chubaca | Or you can just wait that it will be fixed. |
| 00:07.21 | TheAvatar | I have security.debian.org in sources.list only |
| 00:07.22 | dutchfish | SparFux, sure, i was talking about 3D |
| 00:07.24 | TheAvatar | and its a plain netinst |
| 00:07.30 | dutchfish | SparFux, and yes, its nice ;) |
| 00:07.37 | Xgates | valdyn: aptitude install isn't installing it though |
| 00:07.41 | SparFux | dutchfish: I don't think 3D in nouveau is usable already? |
| 00:07.48 | valdyn | Xgates: *reinstall* |
| 00:08.00 | Xgates | ok |
| 00:08.08 | dutchfish | SparFux, depends : http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix |
| 00:08.08 | chubaca | valdyn: packages list of security off repositories is broken. |
| 00:08.12 | SparFux | dutchfish: I heard ATI is now better than Nvidia, because ATI released specs for the cards. |
| 00:08.13 | TheAvatar | I just strip out /srv/security-master.debian.org ? |
| 00:08.16 | valdyn | chubaca: yea, noticed |
| 00:08.19 | dutchfish | nods |
| 00:08.20 | chubaca | :) |
| 00:08.36 | chubaca | We have all /srv/security-master.debian.org/... |
| 00:08.39 | valdyn | TheAvatar: or just wait |
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| 00:08.49 | chubaca | TheAvatar: no. |
| 00:08.53 | chubaca | /srv/security.../ftp/ |
| 00:09.09 | chubaca | It should begin with pool/updates/.. |
| 00:09.11 | TheAvatar | ah yer, my bad, sorry |
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| 00:09.47 | valdyn | SparFux: ati is most certainly not better than nvidia |
| 00:10.04 | SparFux | valdyn: I mean support in Xorg. Not in performance or quality. |
| 00:10.16 | valdyn | SparFux: support in stock xorg yes |
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| 00:10.39 | TheAvatar | chubaca, thanks for the quick answer - works now |
| 00:10.49 | dutchfish | valdyn, for KMS already? |
| 00:10.51 | chubaca | You're welcome. |
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| 00:11.07 | valdyn | dutchfish: that needs alot of stuff that isnt in debian |
| 00:11.07 | SparFux | valdyn: I mean, it is said, 3D runs fine in ATI cards as of now. |
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| 00:11.15 | dutchfish | valdyn, ;) |
| 00:11.32 | sepult | since when ? |
| 00:11.45 | chubaca | TheAvatar: I am just waiting the official fix so I can have a break now. |
| 00:11.46 | valdyn | nvidia proprietary driver kms wont come anytime soon it seems though |
| 00:11.47 | chubaca | :-) |
| 00:11.55 | dutchfish | valdyn, so i did it from scratch in squeeze and have it running in 3d with kms for r600 (somewhat) |
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| 00:12.05 | chubaca | (instead of editing now) |
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| 00:12.23 | sepult | and with which drivers ? |
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| 00:12.36 | sepult | xorg or fglrx ? .... |
| 00:12.37 | valdyn | dutchfish: custom mesa plus custom driver plus which kernel? |
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| 00:12.52 | dutchfish | valdyn, 2.6.32-rc5 |
| 00:12.59 | SparFux | sepult: I am only talking about gpl drivers. |
| 00:13.05 | valdyn | dutchfish: ok, ill wait for .32 |
| 00:13.06 | dutchfish | valdyn, mesa from alrie |
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| 00:13.18 | dutchfish | s/alrie/arlie |
| 00:13.25 | dutchfish | yes |
| 00:13.26 | SparFux | restarting X for newer nouveau. |
| 00:13.30 | sepult | oh all custom... |
| 00:14.06 | dutchfish | its still not complete but i coul dnot wait to see it happen :) |
| 00:14.18 | chubaca | Ahah, nouveau. |
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| 00:14.24 | chubaca | (means "new" in french) |
| 00:14.29 | dutchfish | valdyn, 2d is complete and works out of the box |
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| 00:15.36 | SparFux | re |
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| 00:16.24 | dutchfish | valdyn, i gues another few months: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 00:16.50 | hiwk | is it possible to make a debian computer pretend to be a usb memory over usb? |
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| 00:17.01 | bolt | http://pastebin.com/f1b46e9f8 <-- this is /var/log/messages from inserting my new mouse. after doing so, xorg does not use it. i tried 2 other usb mice, and they are both useable a second after plugging them in. this one isn |
| 00:17.08 | bolt | isn't. why? |
| 00:17.13 | hiwk | so that a computer in the other end can view files I choose to put on the "usb drive" |
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| 00:17.51 | valdyn | hiwk: no |
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| 00:18.21 | valdyn | hiwk: you could do that with firewire, not with usb |
| 00:18.30 | djp` | hi. is it a good idea to have certain scripts in my /usr/local/bin/ folder run with sudo (for example, a script to start a wifi connection) and have others, (another example, to create thumbnails for web pages) able to run without the need for root permissions? |
| 00:18.33 | j_14 | hiwk: you can't connect 2 usb hosts together like that, but i've seen special "cables" for that purpose |
| 00:19.08 | valdyn | hiwk: why dont you just network the 2? |
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| 00:19.38 | chubaca | djp`: why are you not using /usr/local/sbin/ for root scripts ? |
| 00:20.06 | bolt | oh. found something. Xorg.0.log says "Found keys", then "Configuring as keyboard". Why does it think my mouse is a keyboard and, more importantly, how do I make it think it's a mouse? |
| 00:20.16 | \amethyst | http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:20.42 | \amethyst | I have seen proprietary software to forward USB over a network, but this is the first free thing I've seen; I don't know how far along that is |
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| 00:20.45 | \amethyst | hiwk: ^^^ |
| 00:21.01 | hiwk | \amethyst: thanks, will check it out |
| 00:21.13 | Xgates | valdyn: say can you tab back and give me that /path you did before for the gdm script? |
| 00:21.19 | hiwk | valdyn: the computer on the other end is stuipd (and is actually a tv) |
| 00:21.33 | djp` | chubaca: aha. thanks. see this is it... i'm not at all sure of standard protocols when it comes to scripts. do you know of any pointers that could help me? |
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| 00:22.53 | chubaca | No, i haven't any references link. |
| 00:23.55 | djp` | chubaca: np, i'll give it a search... thanks for the sbin pointer though |
| 00:23.58 | \amethyst | !fhs |
| 00:23.58 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 00:28.25 | SparFux | dutchfish: valdyn: There, the radeon matrix shows, 3D is already in radeon gpl drivers. |
| 00:28.40 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 00:28.58 | dutchfish | but not already in the distros |
| 00:29.21 | dutchfish | patience, it will come soon i gues |
| 00:29.34 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 00:31.39 | derek_smart | hello im an arch user and would like to find out if i can make dpkg not autoconfigure packages once installed. if so, will it emulate slackware/arch behaviour or will it be problematic? |
| 00:31.47 | Cerulean | Hi. Running Debian 4.0 on a VPS. I'm trying to see why my script failed to send email properly, but I can't find any postfix log file anywhere (no /var/log/mail* exists). Googling suggests checking the file's name in /etc/syslog.conf, but I don't have that file here either. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:36.23 | paxcoder | SparFux: what about the firmware/blob? |
| 00:36.39 | paxcoder | dutchfish: same |
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| 00:37.40 | SparFux | paxcoder: what's with it? |
| 00:38.25 | paxcoder | SparFux: It seemed to me you have implied it will be replaced by something in the free driver. |
| 00:39.23 | SparFux | paxcoder: I think so. I think the plan is to have a free xorg driver for ati and nvidia. nouveau for nvidia and the xorg radeon drivers for ati. And the ati drivers will have the advantage that the developers have the specs of the radeon chips. |
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| 00:40.09 | paxcoder | SparFux: That's new then, got any links? |
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| 00:40.34 | SparFux | paxcoder: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 00:40.48 | paxcoder | SparFux: I meant radeon firmware thing |
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| 00:41.08 | SparFux | paxcoder: about ati I only heard on irc chan, but there are the specs of the chips.: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ |
| 00:41.18 | paxcoder | SparFux: or were you just trying to say noveau devs need to reverse-engineer? |
| 00:41.33 | paxcoder | oh |
| 00:41.35 | SparFux | paxcoder: I don't think the firmware on the cards will be free. |
| 00:42.01 | paxcoder | SparFux: no, not that. (I'm going to #radeon) |
| 00:42.08 | SparFux | paxcoder: yes, I think reverse engineering is quite a lot of work, error prone and the question is wether all features are found and used. |
| 00:42.13 | derek_smart | hello im an arch user and would like to find out if i can make dpkg not autoconfigure packages once installed. if so, will it emulate slackware/arch behaviour or will it be problematic? |
| 00:43.43 | babilen | derek_smart: What do you mean by autoconfigure? |
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| 00:44.38 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, this would probably be something to ask in the arch channel since we don't know how arch handles things, only debian :/ |
| 00:45.02 | derek_smart | babilen: i mean autorunning daemons, setting options outside of vanilla |
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| 00:45.30 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: arch for instance does not auto start daemons, even when installed as explicit |
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| 00:46.00 | babilen | derek_smart: Debian provides binary packages. If you don't agree with the maintainer's choices you can always download the source package, change debian/rules and compile it yourself. |
| 00:46.04 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: debian does, and i was wondering if dpkg's option gets used a great deal, or if its more of an after thought |
| 00:46.06 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, perhaps if you want to set it up the way you want, you can just compile said app by source yourself and set it up as you want :/ |
| 00:46.22 | derek_smart | i see i can compile, but dpkg has that option |
| 00:46.29 | derek_smart | so i rather avoid the hassle |
| 00:46.32 | babilen | derek_smart: How does arch handle this? What do you actually want? Is there a specific problem you want to fix? |
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| 00:47.14 | derek_smart | its not a problem... it affects all package behaviour -- more in the lines of: no auto starting packages, not touching configurations that are user modified |
| 00:48.00 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, if you modded a config file for example, dpkg will ask you if you want to overwrite it or not |
| 00:48.02 | babilen | derek_smart: Packages will not overwrite user modified configuration files, but you will have no configuration files anyway if you never installed that package anyway |
| 00:48.41 | babilen | derek_smart: You have to explicit.. ah nvm. rabidweezle pointed that out already :-D |
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| 00:49.40 | derek_smart | good to know |
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| 00:50.14 | TheBlunderbuss | Is it normal for the BEL character "\a" to not beep? |
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| 00:50.36 | derek_smart | but on the subject of auto starting daemons: can i prevent this? is there anything that could make packages not drop their stuff in rc.d bby default (or whatever debian uses)? |
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| 00:51.09 | rabidweezle | for the auto-starting of daemon's just stop it with sudo /etc/init.d/nameofdaemon stop (or in some cases you have to sudo services nameofdaemon stop |
| 00:51.50 | rabidweezle | and if you don't want it autostarting take it out of init.d |
| 00:52.03 | babilen | derek_smart: You can just remove it. But why install a daemon if you don't want to use it? |
| 00:52.18 | derek_smart | because some packages have both the client and daemon included |
| 00:52.35 | derek_smart | and some packages have dependancies that could be daemons |
| 00:52.39 | rabidweezle | like vlc or something ? |
| 00:52.47 | babilen | derek_smart: Could you give an example? |
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| 00:53.03 | rabidweezle | if they depend on that daemon, you think it will work without the daemon running? |
| 00:53.16 | derek_smart | well mplayer in arch needs smb, im not sure about debian |
| 00:53.20 | derek_smart | again im asking before using it |
| 00:53.22 | babilen | that would be a policy violation |
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| 00:53.48 | derek_smart | babilen: by that you mean making a package that includes both the client and the daemon? |
| 00:54.02 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: not in the case that the package provides both, as i pointed out |
| 00:54.12 | rabidweezle | you could compile it, and configure it not to use smb |
| 00:54.15 | delight | got a problem with blkid ... anymode that can give me an hint ? I have this lenny root server installed and at first it hat an swap on a /dev/md0 (raid1) so i stoped the raid mdadm --stop ... removed the devices from the raid-md, changed partition types with fdisk to swap for both partitions and did mkswap + swapon ... still blkid show me TYPE="mdraid" |
| 00:54.15 | delight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.20 | babilen | derek_smart: It depends on libsmbclient but not the samba daemon. |
| 00:54.25 | delight | how can I change the type to swap ? |
| 00:54.41 | delight | anybody with knowledge on that ? soft-raids ? |
| 00:54.56 | babilen | derek_smart: No i mean a package that works fine without another package but still DEPENDS on it. |
| 00:55.37 | rabidweezle | sorry delight, I've yet to use a raid setup |
| 00:55.58 | derek_smart | babilen: i highly doubt that every package follows the guideline, do you agree? |
| 00:56.04 | derek_smart | babilen: as a side note btw |
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| 00:56.51 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, it's all about how the package maintainer sets it up |
| 00:57.26 | babilen | derek_smart: That depends. Every single package that does this is considered buggy and in violation of policy. Debian uses "recommends" for packages that "enhance" the user experience but are not absolutely needed. |
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| 00:57.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | or suggests |
| 00:57.53 | delight | blkid should simply show type="swap" ... no uuid and no type="mdraid" but I could not manage it to do so ... even purged the cache by blkid -g |
| 00:57.53 | rabidweezle | personally though I never import packages from another distro into mine since it can be dangerous, if it isn't in the repo I just compile it :/ |
| 00:58.05 | derek_smart | babilen: isnt the policy to install recommends by default, though? |
| 00:59.16 | derek_smart | another question: does debian have an easy way of compiling, like arches PKGBUILD? i understand that in here they are called spec files. are they simple bash scripts? or complicated ones like gentoos with silly replacements like ewarn instead of native echo? |
| 00:59.17 | babilen | derek_smart: Not policy.. Maybe default configuration. |
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| 01:00.10 | babilen | derek_smart: they are makefiles with some perl-fu thrown into the equation... |
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| 01:00.28 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, I don't think it gets easier than ./configure && make && sudo make install |
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| 01:00.55 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: wouldn't that make it unmanegable with aptitude? |
| 01:01.00 | babilen | derek_smart: Try Debian. That will answer most of your questions. The package quality *will* amaze you. |
| 01:01.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | derek_smart: rpm uses spec files |
| 01:01.17 | TraceRoute87 | how come stable doesn't have ext4 ? |
| 01:01.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | TraceRoute87: ext4 was released after stable ... |
| 01:01.39 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, if you wanna use aptitude there is a deal to make a deb out of the compiled source (can't remember the name) but it's for local to that machine only |
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| 01:02.04 | rabidweezle | personally I just keep the source handy and sudo make uninstall when needed |
| 01:02.16 | babilen | rabidweezle: Do you mean dh_make? |
| 01:02.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | checkinstall |
| 01:02.22 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: oh so I couldn't upload it to a repo? what do public repos use instead of spec files? |
| 01:02.34 | SnakDoc | anyone see security.debian.org being up any time soon |
| 01:02.39 | rabidweezle | babilen, I think so |
| 01:02.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | SnakDoc: what do you mean? |
| 01:02.50 | rabidweezle | babilen, it's been a while since I used said app |
| 01:02.54 | TraceRoute87 | meh who wants to run stable anyways.. |
| 01:02.55 | rabidweezle | checkinstall! |
| 01:03.03 | marcos_on_tremor | can i get some advise on livehelper? |
| 01:03.10 | rabidweezle | Kamping_Kaiser, gets the cookie |
| 01:03.13 | SnakDoc | Kamping_Kaiser: try apt-get update see if it hangs for you |
| 01:03.24 | babilen | rabidweezle: Yeah... dh_make is used for the initial "debianisation" of a upstream tarball |
| 01:03.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | radius: :) |
| 01:03.45 | babilen | marcos_on_tremor: just ask |
| 01:03.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | SnakDoc: remember security is running geoip |
| 01:04.01 | rabidweezle | I used checkinstall before, but I don't feel like bothering with it these days |
| 01:04.03 | SnakDoc | Kamping_Kaiser: i just started using debain can u explain |
| 01:04.23 | Internat | geoip, just means that it'll try and return a server closer to you |
| 01:04.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | SnakDoc: the name security.debian.org points to different servers depending where in the world you are |
| 01:04.42 | SnakDoc | Kamping_Kaiser: 82% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] thats what i am getting |
| 01:04.47 | SnakDoc | Kamping_Kaiser: ok i got you |
| 01:04.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcos_on_tremor: you can ask, but may not get any help |
| 01:04.52 | marcos_on_tremor | I tried running lh_build but debootstrap fails to mount chroot |
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| 01:05.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | SnakDoc: does it time out, or just take a long time to connect? |
| 01:05.21 | Internat | i had that problem due ot ipv6 causing issues once a pon a lifetime |
| 01:05.23 | marcos_on_tremor | I changed /dev/sda4/homexfsdefaults00 |
| 01:05.28 | SnakDoc | not connecting for at all just sits there till it fails |
| 01:05.33 | marcos_on_tremor | trying again. |
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| 01:05.42 | derek_smart | as a final question, what are the main differences between ubuntu and debian besides the obvious branding? |
| 01:05.43 | marcos_on_tremor | let's see if it will fix the mount issue |
| 01:05.46 | Xgates | where does Debian place the postrm and the postinst scripts? |
| 01:05.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | Internat: yeah. |
| 01:05.52 | babilen | SnakDoc: security.debian.org is fucked. I am not sure if that has been fixed by now, but some strange behaviour is expected. |
| 01:06.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: hm? |
| 01:06.12 | marcos_on_tremor | another question I had is how do I install my custom kernel |
| 01:06.29 | marcos_on_tremor | rather than the one that debian packaged in my livehelper created iso |
| 01:06.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | derek_smart: /msg dpkg debian and /msg dpkg ubuntu for a start :) |
| 01:06.43 | SnakDoc | babilen: ok just installed on server and was trying to get it setup and then this :( lol just bad luck in timing i guess think i should give up and wait till tom |
| 01:07.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcos_on_tremor: can't help with those sorry, been to long since i used livehelper :( |
| 01:07.14 | babilen | SnakDoc: Ah, looks like it was solved 15min ago... give it some time. |
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| 01:07.31 | SnakDoc | babilen: ok will try |
| 01:07.38 | rabidweezle | if you get frustrated I find it's best to chill for the night and continue in the morning with a fresh brain SnakDoc |
| 01:08.00 | rabidweezle | I do that all the time and it works out well :D |
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| 01:08.14 | SnakDoc | rabidweezle: thats not problem was just wanting server up and repo was having trouble lol |
| 01:08.20 | Xgates | can someone please tell me where Debian place the postrm and the postinst scripts? |
| 01:08.25 | SnakDoc | rabidweezle: i do that when writing programs |
| 01:08.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xgates: /var/lib/dpkg/ iirc, but try a find to check |
| 01:08.47 | babilen | SnakDoc: The ftpmasters had a big work session these days and I guess we see the first problems with the migration to the new scheme. |
| 01:08.56 | Xgates | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
| 01:09.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xgates: it is that path, plus /info/ on the end |
| 01:09.33 | Xgates | Kamping_Kaiser: for both of them? |
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| 01:09.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xgates: yes |
| 01:10.11 | Xgates | Kamping_Kaiser: ok let me look thanks |
| 01:10.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 01:13.27 | Grokon | umm, I installed mysql, and mysql.h is missing, which patctage I sould install |
| 01:13.44 | markybob | Grokon, the -dev package |
| 01:13.52 | markybob | Grokon, apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 01:14.21 | SnakDoc | its slow to connect but is working now |
| 01:14.22 | SnakDoc | :) |
| 01:14.55 | ultralazer | Is there a readme for debian naming conventions? |
| 01:15.11 | ultralazer | yep |
| 01:16.22 | Tramp | Grokon: maybe libmysqlclient15-dev |
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| 01:16.44 | babilen | SnakDoc: Lots of packages are pushed to the servers now. But it should normalise pretty soon... |
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| 01:17.03 | SnakDoc | babilen: was it being upgraded ? |
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| 01:17.06 | babilen | ultralazer: What kind of naming conventions? |
| 01:17.19 | ultralazer | package names |
| 01:17.47 | babilen | SnakDoc: http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2009/10/30/debian-ftpmaster-meeting-now-w.html |
| 01:18.05 | l3x | driftnet -i wlan0 |
| 01:18.05 | l3x | (driftnet:8167): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 01:18.20 | l3x | is there something wrong with my X11? |
| 01:18.24 | l3x | need help |
| 01:18.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | l3x: are you running it from inside x? |
| 01:19.03 | l3x | yes i have kde |
| 01:19.06 | SnakDoc | babilen: looks like mess to me lol thanks for all the help |
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| 01:20.31 | babilen | SnakDoc: Yeah, true. But the result is worth it! Much less work needed for package handling. |
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| 01:21.12 | babilen | ultralazer: Have a look in the policy and sub policies like python, library, perl, ... policy |
| 01:21.39 | ultralazer | ok |
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| 01:22.51 | ultralazer | zomg the penguin won't stop winking |
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| 01:23.42 | l3x | Kamping_Kaiser, do you think its my video card drivers? |
| 01:24.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | l3x: if it loads, i wouldn't worry about it. I'm not sur what would be causing it though |
| 01:24.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | :q |
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| 01:24.59 | l3x | hmm, i can't seem to get the pictures to save or temp into the directory i give it. do you know how to do that? |
| 01:25.30 | benedikt | what pictures? |
| 01:27.09 | rburn | hello, anyone here is using lenny + backports kernel + kvm-source? |
| 01:27.30 | rburn | i can't m-a build kvm |
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| 01:29.06 | rburn | it ends up with this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531829 |
| 01:29.17 | valdyn | rburn: why are you building kvm? |
| 01:29.58 | rburn | valdyn: because i'm using a backport kernel |
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| 01:30.15 | valdyn | rburn: ..that has a newer kvm than you are trying to build included |
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| 01:30.51 | rburn | valdyn: a newer package? |
| 01:31.07 | valdyn | rburn: kvm is in the kernel |
| 01:31.25 | rburn | oh |
| 01:31.37 | valdyn | rburn: i wonder why these people are even trying to fix that bug |
| 01:31.39 | rburn | valdyn: i don't need to build the module? |
| 01:31.50 | valdyn | rburn: nope |
| 01:31.56 | rburn | lol |
| 01:32.04 | rburn | great :D |
| 01:32.22 | rburn | i was fighting with that bug for a day now :| |
| 01:32.40 | valdyn | rburn: with morons trying to fix that bug |
| 01:32.42 | rburn | thank you very much valdyn :) |
| 01:33.13 | rburn | valdyn: the last post is from one of the maintainers |
| 01:33.29 | rburn | that's why i was trying to fix it. |
| 01:33.37 | valdyn | rburn: well, debians policy of stable = not changing might give that some sense |
| 01:33.56 | valdyn | rburn: but still you dont need that unless you are under some policy like that too |
| 01:34.30 | benedikt | Speaking og KVM. I was reading on the wiki and it cotains far better documentation for KVM then for Xen. Any reason behind this? |
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| 01:34.44 | rburn | valdyn: im trying to build a debia live cd with live-helper, personal use and with a backport kernel. |
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| 01:35.16 | valdyn | benedikt: its a wiki, obviously no one wrote about xen |
| 01:35.17 | rburn | i'll rebuild and try without any module compilation. thx again valdyn. |
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| 01:36.05 | benedikt | valdyn: i mean - is kvm more used then xen with debian, any reasons for *that* ? |
| 01:36.17 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 01:36.17 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 01:37.28 | rburn | omg: modprobe kvm <- no errors :/ |
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| 01:37.37 | rumpsy | !hi |
| 01:37.37 | dpkg | hello, rumpsy |
| 01:38.02 | rumpsy | !seen LtL |
| 01:38.02 | dpkg | ltl is currently on #debian (2h 7m 34s), last said: 'it's a debian box, i'm not totally ot :)'. |
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| 01:38.38 | rabidweezle | rumpsy, please pm the bot |
| 01:38.45 | LtL | rumpsy: yo |
| 01:38.54 | rumpsy | LtL ::DD |
| 01:38.58 | rumpsy | LtL :DD |
| 01:39.23 | rumpsy | Finally i got my website hosted through apache |
| 01:39.34 | LtL | rumpsy: well done |
| 01:39.51 | rumpsy | But how can i have name instead of ip address |
| 01:40.22 | rabidweezle | buy dns |
| 01:40.26 | LtL | rumpsy: register a domain and lots of other stuff |
| 01:40.28 | rabidweezle | or use a free dns service |
| 01:40.33 | l3x | does anyone know about driftnet? |
| 01:40.43 | rumpsy | drifnet? |
| 01:40.58 | rumpsy | dpkg google drifnet |
| 01:41.01 | gasull | Hi. My laptop is freezing all the time when the screensaver is on. But I don't get anything in the logs: http://dpaste.com/114831/ What can be happening? Thank you in advance. |
| 01:41.02 | rabidweezle | I use www.afraid.org as my dns service, free and all :) |
| 01:41.16 | zinx | l3x: historically, it's been very insecure |
| 01:41.30 | rabidweezle | gasull, perhaps it's overheating? |
| 01:41.43 | rumpsy | Busted due to over heat |
| 01:41.51 | ppalmes | gasull: do yourself a favor, disable screensaver because it burns more energy with it on. |
| 01:41.54 | l3x | im trying to scan my network but i can't see ne pictures and i have been sniffing for 15 minutes |
| 01:42.16 | zinx | l3x: most networks are switched |
| 01:42.19 | rumpsy | How to setup a own nameserver |
| 01:42.42 | l3x | zinx, is that why i cna't see ne pictures? |
| 01:42.43 | rabidweezle | gasull, yeah, just make it shut off the screen, since you burn up more cpu/video card usage while it's on, making your laptop get hot |
| 01:42.48 | zinx | l3x: yes. |
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| 01:43.49 | l3x | ok. zinx i am having trouble trying to run my gl screen savers |
| 01:43.55 | gasull | ppalmes: the screensaver is just a blank screen. Does it matter? |
| 01:43.57 | rburn | valdyn: should i reply to that bug report about the kvm module being incorporated to the kernel? |
| 01:44.17 | rumpsy | driftnet ? who said that :-? |
| 01:44.19 | rburn | valdyn: since when is kvm module included with kernel? |
| 01:44.36 | rabidweezle | gasull, when you put your laptop down, do you have it on a cooling pad that is properly ventilated? |
| 01:44.42 | rumpsy | o_O |
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| 01:45.04 | rumpsy | Laptop broken.. |
| 01:45.06 | rabidweezle | gasull, like if I put my laptop down on my bed or couch or floor, it will overheat and shutoff |
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| 01:45.26 | rabidweezle | gasull, I would suggest at least leaving it on a desk |
| 01:45.35 | gasull | rabidweezle: yes, it's on a cooling pad |
| 01:46.00 | rabidweezle | oh snap |
| 01:46.04 | xxtjaxx_ | hmm which configuration file was to changle the font size for apps like dillo in a gnome environment? |
| 01:46.29 | rabidweezle | perhaps it's trying to go into standby mode gasull many laptops don't work with debian's standby mode, check your power settings |
| 01:46.34 | gasull | rabidweezle: it's on a cooling pad over a desk and the weather is getting colder lately over here |
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| 01:47.00 | rabidweezle | is it going into sleep mode? |
| 01:47.17 | rabidweezle | like mine, when it goes into sleep mode won't come back |
| 01:47.58 | rabidweezle | or make sure the power settings don't say to shutodown after so many minutes |
| 01:47.59 | rabidweezle | that's possible too |
| 01:48.18 | rabidweezle | shutdown* |
| 01:49.02 | gasull | rabidweezle: I have it configured to never go to sleep on AC. It does suspend on batery power when lid closes and hibernates on AC power when battery critically low |
| 01:49.38 | rabidweezle | ouch |
| 01:49.50 | gasull | rabidweezle: the only thing is that the display is put to sleep when inactive for 28 minutes |
| 01:51.25 | rabidweezle | ugh... allergies... |
| 01:51.46 | gasull | Why nothing is shown in the logs? |
| 01:51.49 | rabidweezle | check your bios out for any weird power settings in the laptop gasull |
| 01:52.07 | rabidweezle | gasull, if it's a hardware issue, it won't show in the logs |
| 01:52.16 | gasull | rabidweezle: I see |
| 01:52.21 | rabidweezle | as in, the bios shuts off the laptop in case of overheating |
| 01:52.37 | rabidweezle | which laptops are known to do alot |
| 01:52.43 | rabidweezle | small hotboxes |
| 01:52.43 | nsadmin | gasull you sure? periodically do du -s /var/log, and if the number changes then do du -s /var/log/* |
| 01:52.54 | derek_smart | has anyone tried using sls in the modern times |
| 01:53.18 | rabidweezle | sls? |
| 01:53.26 | nsadmin | soft landing system? |
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| 01:53.36 | nsadmin | I started linux with that |
| 01:53.52 | rabidweezle | never even heard of it xD |
| 01:54.00 | nsadmin | just booted the floppies |
| 01:54.08 | nsadmin | that's all I ever did with it |
| 01:54.14 | derek_smart | yes wouldnt it be cool to use it on a netbook or something just to mess around |
| 01:54.16 | rabidweezle | what is it? |
| 01:54.17 | rabidweezle | lol |
| 01:54.21 | derek_smart | a distro |
| 01:54.29 | rabidweezle | oh |
| 01:54.29 | nsadmin | a very old distro |
| 01:54.44 | nsadmin | predates slackware, which pretty much came next |
| 01:54.44 | ppalmes | gasull: because the system failed to wake up? |
| 01:54.46 | gasull | nsadmin: Yes, I'm sure nothing is in the logs, at least not in syslog, kern.log nor messages. |
| 01:55.00 | nsadmin | and the logs are not growing any? |
| 01:55.01 | rabidweezle | very old distro = very old kernel = not very wise for new wireless hardware |
| 01:55.18 | ppalmes | gasull: probably the acpi support in your laptop is not ok |
| 01:55.20 | nsadmin | not very working at all |
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| 01:55.54 | gasull | ppalmes: The system seemed to be suspended, but I didn't have it configured to suspend. And it failed to wake up, so I had to switch it off and on. |
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| 01:55.58 | ppalmes | sls is the reason why there is debian |
| 01:56.03 | derek_smart | rabidweezle: thats the point, to make it as difficult as possible |
| 01:56.16 | gasull | ppalmes: sls? |
| 01:56.18 | derek_smart | then try to install 2.6.31 on sls just to see what happens |
| 01:56.42 | rabidweezle | derek_smart, if you wanna make it difficult as possible, install vista on it |
| 01:56.47 | ppalmes | gasull: that's it. no logs because the moment it suspend, you have to reboot. disable acpi. |
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| 01:57.20 | gasull | nsadmin: I don't get what you want me to do with du -s. Do you mean that should be in a cron job. Why for? |
| 01:57.23 | ppalmes | gasull: ignore sls. |
| 01:57.23 | bolt | xorg is configuring my usb mouse as a keyboard. how can i stop it from doing this? something in hal, perhaps? |
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| 01:57.32 | gasull | ppalmes: OK re: sls |
| 01:57.43 | ppalmes | gasull: how old is your laptop? brand? |
| 01:57.57 | gasull | ppalmes: If I don't have ACPI I won't be able to suspend/hibernate, right? |
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| 01:58.16 | ppalmes | gasull: yep. in the first place, your laptop support of acpi is broken. |
| 01:58.22 | nsadmin | gasull: no, you're using that to check to see if (1) any of your logs are growing and, if so, (2) which ones |
| 01:58.33 | gasull | ppalmes: My laptop is Lenovo 3000 V100 |
| 01:58.51 | rabidweezle | I've seen alot of issues with these lenovo's lately :( |
| 01:59.22 | webmasteroy | pavillion's too |
| 01:59.27 | nsadmin | what's a good modern laptop that doesn't overheat and has a good amount of ram and disk? |
| 01:59.52 | ppalmes | acpi is still very buggy in some laptop |
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| 02:00.00 | gasull | ppalmes: How do I disable ACPI? |
| 02:00.10 | rabidweezle | compaq cq60-215dx is an awesome linux laptop :) |
| 02:00.29 | gasull | ppalmes: Suspend/hibernate used to work when I used Ubuntu, BTW. Not sure if I was using ACPI, though. |
| 02:00.35 | ppalmes | gasull: pass acpi=off in the bootprompt... i can't remember |
| 02:00.36 | rabidweezle | nvidia controller and video, ath5k wireless |
| 02:00.42 | ppalmes | gasull: it is the kernel problem. |
| 02:00.58 | ppalmes | gasull: check what kernel you were in ubuntu |
| 02:01.02 | nsadmin | also what's a nice very small built-in-everything on mobo, and has two nics? |
| 02:01.09 | ppalmes | gasull: http://fixunix.com/kernel/376680-re-suspend-lenovo-3000-v200-linux-2-6-25rc8.html |
| 02:01.14 | nsadmin | except cpu, ram, disk |
| 02:01.23 | nsadmin | not laptop |
| 02:01.27 | nsadmin | and cheap |
| 02:01.39 | rabidweezle | if you installed stable (like I did) you want to install the backports repo and latest kernel |
| 02:02.26 | ppalmes | gasull: it is always a black magic to have successful resume/suspend in laptop |
| 02:02.29 | gasull | rabidweezle: are you talking to me re: backports? |
| 02:02.37 | rabidweezle | yes :) |
| 02:02.52 | rabidweezle | that's if you installed stable of course |
| 02:03.22 | gasull | This is my laptop, BTW: http://www5.pc.ibm.com/es/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_TF046SP?OpenDocument (bought it in Spain) |
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| 02:04.43 | gasull | So my TODO list is this: (1) chk there's nothing weird in the BIOS setup, (2) install latest kernel from backports, (3) if nothing works, disable ACPI. Right? |
| 02:05.05 | rabidweezle | sounds good gasull |
| 02:05.06 | gasull | rabidweezle: Yes, I installed Debian Lenny |
| 02:05.20 | nsadmin | gasull and don't uninstall other kernels at this time |
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| 02:05.34 | gasull | nsadmin: OK. Thanks. |
| 02:05.36 | rabidweezle | yeah, leave them there for backup purposes |
| 02:05.46 | nsadmin | you running grub? |
| 02:05.52 | gasull | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:06.06 | rabidweezle | backports automagically edits your grub config |
| 02:06.09 | rabidweezle | :) |
| 02:06.11 | nsadmin | cool... keep your update-grub script handy |
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| 02:07.07 | nsadmin | at least look at /boot/grub/menu.lst periodically |
| 02:07.12 | ppalmes | gasull: i would suggest disable acpi and enable screen blanking. suspend and wake-up usually messes up the state of your system after wake-up so if you are into critical working condition, dont suspend and wake-up |
| 02:07.25 | nsadmin | does update-grub work with grub2? |
| 02:08.09 | gasull | ppalmes: with screen blanking you mean a blank screensaver, right? |
| 02:08.11 | markybob | nsadmin, yes |
| 02:08.29 | ppalmes | gasull: yep, just black screen |
| 02:08.55 | ppalmes | gasull: or you can try f7 or something that will blackout your screen instead of screensaver. |
| 02:09.00 | gasull | ppalmes: It's how it is righ now. Suspend and hibernate are enabled only when running on battery, not on AC |
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| 02:09.52 | gasull | ppalmes: f7? |
| 02:10.09 | ppalmes | gasull: even in battery mode, dont enable it and move on with your work. suspend and hibernate is still a black science because each laptop has different acpi support. |
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| 02:10.43 | gasull | ppalmes: OK. Thanks. |
| 02:10.50 | ppalmes | gasull: fn+F7 or F? ... look for the function to switch your screen to blank. i think screen switching function |
| 02:10.55 | rabidweezle | yeah, it's only really usefull on a desktop |
| 02:10.56 | rabidweezle | :/ |
| 02:12.16 | gasull | xoz: it should be fn+F7, but it doesn't work |
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| 02:13.17 | xoz | gasull: oh well, some laptops do, some dont? it seems you lenovo is a bit unlucky. next time, check which laptop is linux-friendly |
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| 02:13.59 | xoz | toshiba and sony is quiet linux friendly |
| 02:14.36 | rabidweezle | I dunno why though laptop manufacturers totally hate any idea of the word "standards". Every part is proprietary except some hard drives/cdrom drives/mini-pci stuff... |
| 02:14.41 | gasull | xoz: I thought Lenovo was too. Next I'll surely check |
| 02:14.56 | gasull | s/Next/Next time/ |
| 02:15.04 | gasull | xoz, nsadmin, rabidweezle: Well, thanks a lot. I'll go on with checking my BIOS settings and the rest of my TODO list. |
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| 02:15.30 | rabidweezle | have fun gasull |
| 02:15.44 | rabidweezle | continues playing "the mana world" |
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| 02:17.15 | xoz | continues to listen to Sting |
| 02:17.17 | Feng | My QT program displays hobrrible font on GNOME, anyone knows how to fix it? |
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| 02:18.19 | xoz | Feng: run kde, configure font in kde and back to gnome |
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| 02:22.06 | xoz | Feng: what is the resolution of your X server? it maybe uses whatever resolution you have while gnome adjusts it dynamically. |
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| 02:24.25 | xoz | Feng: dont message me. it is against the policy in debian |
| 02:24.45 | Feng | Sorry, first time on #debian. :( |
| 02:24.53 | xoz | Feng: try moving the .kde directory. maybe you upgrade kde? |
| 02:25.58 | Feng | xoz: I don't have a .kde directory. I only have one QT program, last.fm. But the font of last.fm's menu is kinda bad. |
| 02:27.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | isn't there a qt/gtk compatability package that needs instalilng? |
| 02:27.36 | Feng | I didn't know that. What's the name of the package? |
| 02:27.41 | rabidweezle | not with kde4 I don't think |
| 02:27.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh right |
| 02:28.06 | rabidweezle | least last time I ran kde4 it just did all that automagically |
| 02:28.10 | rabidweezle | under kubuntu :/ |
| 02:28.34 | rabidweezle | kde3 though you did |
| 02:28.59 | Feng | I didn't have the same problem with ubuntu. My debian version is squeeze. |
| 02:29.20 | rabidweezle | coughs on his coffee a little |
| 02:29.36 | rabidweezle | something funny about the word squeeze to me, I dunno |
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| 02:30.28 | rabidweezle | beats kubuntu |
| 02:30.39 | rabidweezle | kubuntu's new release name that is |
| 02:30.48 | rabidweezle | kubuntu karmic koala = kkk |
| 02:30.54 | xoz | really hates flash. it contributes to global warming. |
| 02:31.23 | rabidweezle | flash was okay when it was only used for small ads or little flash games |
| 02:31.37 | rabidweezle | when they started doing streaming movies with it, it got outa hand |
| 02:32.38 | rabidweezle | prefers real streaming media |
| 02:32.49 | rabidweezle | not "real" but you know |
| 02:33.21 | xoz | thinks even small ads multiplied many times using flash is really wasting lots of energy. |
| 02:33.37 | rabidweezle | talking ads are the worst |
| 02:33.46 | rabidweezle | but that's what adblock plus plugin is for |
| 02:33.53 | xoz | thinks people should shoot on sight the person who created flash :) |
| 02:34.14 | rabidweezle | the macromedia guys? |
| 02:34.16 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 02:37.40 | bolt | xorg is configuring my usb mouse as a keyboard. how can i stop it from doing this? something in hal, perhaps? |
| 02:38.12 | rabidweezle | O_O |
| 02:38.18 | rabidweezle | that's a new one |
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| 02:39.55 | xoz | !hal |
| 02:39.55 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:39.58 | MunkeN | Hey there. I'm having troubles getting php work with apache, I've downloaded the packages apache2, php5, libapache2-mod-php5 and the command 'a2enmod php5' says 'Module php5 already enabled', but when i surf to a .php it wants me to download a file. Any ideas? :( |
| 02:43.58 | xoz | MunkeN: check first if your php works. |
| 02:44.36 | MunkeN | php <somephpfile> works |
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| 02:46.10 | xoz | have you restarted apache after config? |
| 02:46.23 | xoz | and check phpinfo() |
| 02:47.02 | xoz | MunkeN: http://help.mosso.com/article.php?id=082 |
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| 02:49.19 | MunkeN | Hm, it all appears to be working, xomas_ |
| 02:49.21 | MunkeN | xoz even |
| 02:49.40 | xoz | MunkeN: time to check the logs of apache |
| 02:50.05 | xoz | MunkeN: there, you will find you answer... error log, etc |
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| 02:52.19 | MunkeN | Everything appears to be working correctly now. Thanks xoz =) |
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| 02:53.38 | chowder | where does Debian keep the script that runs swapon at boot time? In Red Hat Linux it is /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit but what is it in Debian? |
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| 02:55.49 | \amethyst | chowder: /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh and mountall.sh |
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| 02:56.44 | xoz | MunkeN: what was the problem? |
| 02:56.46 | gutsy | my system is unable to detect my ipod touch; it was able to detect in lenny but once i've upgraded to unstable it doesn't detect anymore |
| 02:57.11 | chowder | \amethyst: thanks |
| 02:57.15 | xoz | gutsy: dmesg after you plugin |
| 02:57.31 | xoz | gutsy: perhaps kernel issue |
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| 02:57.55 | gutsy | xoz: no message |
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| 02:58.25 | xoz | gutsy: remove it... still no message? |
| 02:58.29 | gutsy | xoz: i get nothing but my ipod is charging |
| 02:58.44 | xoz | gutsy: tail -f /var/log/messages ... then plug it in |
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| 02:59.07 | xoz | gutsy: lsusb? |
| 02:59.23 | gutsy | xoz: i removed it and tried pluging it in different usb port, still nothing |
| 02:59.36 | xoz | gutsy: try a different kernel perhaps |
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| 03:00.04 | xoz | gutsy: plug it while booting and check dmesg for error messages during bootup |
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| 03:00.22 | xoz | gutsy: perhaps it ignores the succeeding error messages |
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| 03:03.52 | Sneex | what would be some reasons why 2 debian systems on the same 'gateway' but different networks can't see each other? They share the same broadcast but I always get no route to host error :( |
| 03:04.06 | gutsy | xoz: i ran this command tail -f /var/log/messages and did what u said and it was able to show the ipod connecting |
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| 03:05.23 | gutsy | xoz: but it's unable to show on the desktop or under computer |
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| 03:11.53 | gutsy | xoz: i'll give another kernel a try; anyways thanks for the suggestions |
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| 03:18.24 | gutsy | xoz: i've tried the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel and still not detected |
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| 03:21.35 | gutsy | can anyone help me please, my ipod touch is not being detected in unstable version of debian |
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| 03:33.56 | gasull | I guess that before updating the kernel I should update the BIOS. Right? |
| 03:34.37 | rabidweezle | gasull, on the acpi laptop issue? |
| 03:35.10 | rabidweezle | forgets |
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| 03:37.01 | gasull | rabidweezle: yes |
| 03:37.54 | rabidweezle | I dunno, if the bios update has acpi stuff in it |
| 03:38.27 | rabidweezle | but that's a bit of a "scary" thing to do |
| 03:38.27 | rabidweezle | since a bad flash could = doom |
| 03:38.43 | rabidweezle | I just said check your bios for any weird power settings |
| 03:38.57 | rabidweezle | don't update bios unless absolutely nessasary |
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| 03:39.45 | gasull | rabidweezle: BTW, I tried to suspend and hibernate manually and suspending works, hibernating seems to work but when booting again I start a new session instead of resuming. Also, when Rhythmbox is playing I can't either suspend or hibernate and I get a beacon saying that. Everytime I had had the freezing problem Rhythmbox was on, as far as I remember. |
| 03:40.27 | rabidweezle | strange |
| 03:40.33 | gasull | rabidweezle: I checked the BIOS and I couldn't even find any power settings. Maybe I have a very basic BIOS. |
| 03:40.40 | rabidweezle | ahh |
| 03:40.42 | rabidweezle | nods |
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| 03:41.40 | norbert_ | hi, a friend showed me how useful mouse gestures are in Windows; can I enable them in Debian? |
| 03:41.46 | rabidweezle | so it only freezes when you leave your media player running, might wanna report that bug |
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| 03:42.22 | rabidweezle | I'd see about switch media players |
| 03:42.24 | rabidweezle | switching* |
| 03:42.35 | rabidweezle | or compiling a newer version |
| 03:43.07 | rabidweezle | norbert_, what are mouse gestures? |
| 03:43.14 | gasull | rabidweezle: yes, I think only happens when Rhythmbox is playing and the screensaver is on. Supossedly the computer shouldn't either suspend nor hibernate according to my settings for AC. |
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| 03:43.33 | norbert_ | rabidweezle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_gesture |
| 03:44.04 | gasull | norbert_: I think there is a extension for Firefox |
| 03:44.19 | norbert_ | gasull: yeah, but I'd like to use it system wide |
| 03:44.22 | norbert_ | in all of X |
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| 03:45.10 | gasull | rabidweezle: Do you think I still should update my kernel from backports? |
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| 03:46.15 | rabidweezle | gasull, not really |
| 03:46.16 | rabidweezle | :) |
| 03:46.16 | rabidweezle | do some testing of course |
| 03:46.57 | rabidweezle | if though you keep having the same issue after a newer version of your media player, check out the newer kernels |
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| 03:47.10 | gasull | norbert_: maybe not what you're looking for, but gnome-do let's you start applications pretty fast |
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| 03:47.55 | gasull | rabidweezle: so should I update Rhythmbox then? |
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| 03:48.34 | rabidweezle | sure |
| 03:48.35 | rabidweezle | afk |
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| 03:48.49 | gasull | rabidweezle: OK, I'll update from backports |
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| 03:50.36 | gasull | rabidweezle: no Rhythmbox at backports, but it's at Sid |
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| 03:52.26 | gutsy | can anyone help me please, my ipod touch is not being detected in unstable version of debian |
| 03:52.58 | j_14 | This is strange, I just installed the mozilla-mozgest package and it says it is not compatible with iceweasel. This is in Lenny. |
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| 03:54.37 | gasull | actually had Rhythmbox from unstable (used apt-pinning), so he installed the version from Lenny instead and is going to reboot his laptop now |
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| 04:17.33 | a-slack | has there been any change in the repository's GPG keys? |
| 04:17.43 | a-slack | right now I get this with an apt-get update: |
| 04:17.56 | a-slack | W: GPG error: http://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 04:22.36 | duckstab | a-slack: no, seems to be fine on my end |
| 04:23.09 | duckstab | I'm not using ftp.fr.debian.org however, different mirror |
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| 04:24.26 | a-slack | what branch are you using ? unstable ? |
| 04:24.47 | duckstab | stable. |
| 04:24.53 | a-slack | ok |
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| 04:28.31 | somiaj | a-slack: you could try a different mirror. |
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| 04:37.29 | duckstab | exit |
| 04:37.37 | duckstab | err, wrong window. :D |
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| 05:10.33 | PinkFrood | Hey all. I appear to be having difficulties with lvm on md on Lenny's xen kernel - namely, if I attempt to do a backup on an array that md is checking via lvm snapshots, md quits responding. Is this a known issue? |
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| 05:11.08 | PinkFrood | I've seen this happen twice now, both under exactly the same circumstances. |
| 05:15.11 | PinkFrood | eventually, I see this appear in dmesg: [2381963.101096] INFO: task md0_resync:28255 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
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| 05:36.03 | adarq | anyone have any idea why this wont work: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:36.20 | adarq | i cant find or obtain the kernel headers, or what i need for /lib/modules/blah/build |
| 05:36.32 | adarq | im running linux 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 05:36.50 | somiaj | adarq: you want kernel-headers-`uname -r` [fairly sure sh doesn't extend variables like you want] |
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| 05:37.14 | somiaj | adarq: you can try apt-cache search to see what kernel-headers packages are there |
| 05:37.24 | adarq | thanks, but i did that |
| 05:37.28 | adarq | i get nothing, lemme show u |
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| 05:37.42 | adarq | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.42 | adarq | comedi-source - Comedi kernel module source |
| 05:37.42 | adarq | kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages. |
| 05:37.42 | adarq | linux-libc-dev - Linux support headers for userspace development |
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| 05:38.01 | adarq | sorry |
| 05:38.14 | adarq | there's nothing in apt-cache search though i dont get it :/ |
| 05:38.32 | somiaj | adarq: oh they have been renamed linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:38.39 | adarq | ah |
| 05:38.41 | adarq | haha |
| 05:39.17 | somiaj | I use custom kernels so I forgot that..:/ |
| 05:40.11 | heroxbd | Hi. Is there a user-mode transparent socks proxy wrapper? I looked at tsocks, which needs to write /etc/tsocks.conf |
| 05:40.51 | adarq | the whole reason why im doing this, is just to compile this module and insert it, but i keep getting: doesn't match the target pattern ..... i thought that kernel headers thing would fix it, because i had no 'build' in my modules dir |
| 05:45.00 | adarq | ok uh |
| 05:45.06 | adarq | after about 8 hours it was my fault |
| 05:45.13 | heroxbd | Im sorry. tsocks reads ~/.tsocks.conf |
| 05:45.33 | adarq | isnt connect.c a socks proxy |
| 05:45.38 | adarq | ssh guy wrote it |
| 05:46.04 | adarq | http://bent.latency.net/bent/darcs/goto-san-connect-1.85/src/connect.html |
| 05:46.42 | heroxbd | adarq: I am using ssh socks and a socks wrapper (e.g. tsocks) |
| 05:46.49 | adarq | ah |
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| 05:50.06 | smhar | I am upgrading a lenny notebook to squeeze. Since there are many programs already installed, they upgrade seems huge, more than 3GB. I can not do this in one session. what is the best approach to this? |
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| 06:02.08 | smhar | I am upgrading a lenny notebook to squeeze. Since there are many programs already installed, they upgrade seems huge, more than 3GB. I can not do this in one session. what is the best approach to this? |
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| 06:09.15 | somiaj | smhar: you could try a 'upgrade' and a 'dist-upgrade' aftewards that will split some things up. |
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| 06:09.49 | somiaj | smhar: do a apt-get clean in the middle to remove the debs that are download. But before you start ask yourself if you really want to upgrade to testing from a stable system |
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| 06:11.54 | oblu_ | smhar: hdd snapshot, then dist-upgrade ;) |
| 06:12.29 | arma | is the squeeze package list mis-signed, or am i doing something wrong? i see bug 553533 |
| 06:13.11 | smhar | oblu_, what is hdd snapshot and how? |
| 06:14.16 | smhar | somiaj, upgrading from stable is easier than installing everything again from scratch. I have no problem with space but the download speed is very low so it is time not space |
| 06:15.10 | somiaj | smhar: well you can do apt-get --download dist-upgrade [that way you can take your time to download everything how ever long it takes] |
| 06:15.42 | somiaj | smhar: still if you havea bad internet connection and stable is always changing, what real reason do you hvae for wanting to run testing? [I'm just saying that MOST people should be just fine with lenny] |
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| 06:18.00 | smhar | somiaj, that is a good idea.. thanks.. I do not expect a 3GB download every time I do an apt-get upgrade |
| 06:18.19 | oblu_ | smhar: if you're doing that just because you're bored, don't |
| 06:18.31 | oblu_ | smhar: if you want to learn, proceed |
| 06:19.06 | somiaj | smhar: yea, I'd still like to see why you want to upgrade to testing. The choice is yours, but if your reasons have better solutions maybe look into that. |
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| 06:20.46 | smhar | somiaj, I've been with testing for along since etch was testing.. this is the longest time I stay with stable mainly because it was a new notebook. although I've been with linux and debian for some time now.. but I still consider myself learning |
| 06:21.18 | rojak | very poor in writing script/programming, but wish get a scheduled pop-up alert msg every 3 hours. pls advise. Thanks. |
| 06:21.40 | somiaj | smhar: well my standard advise (though I run sid myself) is to run stable and get backports for any 'bleeding edge' software you want. Now if your willing to work with things when they break and have stuff cnostantally changing and enjoy the learning and the process, go ahead. |
| 06:21.54 | gigo | I am having a weird problem. I have bought a new Belkin router. Whenever Debian sends a DNS request, it gets a response immediately. But it sends the DNS request again after 5 seconds. And once more after 5 seconds. After it gets 3 responses, it connects to the website. |
| 06:22.16 | gigo | so, I have to wait 15 seconds every time I want to visit a new website or connect to a new IRC network |
| 06:24.53 | smhar | somiaj, I've been thinking of running sid for a while, but I am not sure I can handle more breakages than in tesing, although in my experience, testing had always been more stable than many other stable distros I had used. |
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| 06:25.42 | smhar | somiaj, I may just install a separate sid in a separate partition though.. just to see how it is |
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| 06:26.12 | gigo | smhar, so what is your question? sorry, I just joined the channel. |
| 06:26.30 | somiaj | smhar: ok, just making sure you know what your getting into. |
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| 06:28.22 | smhar | somiaj, I hope I do :-) at least I have my /home in a separate partition with a regular offsite backup... just in case :-) |
| 06:28.43 | smhar | gigo, oh.. it was solved... thank you for asking |
| 06:29.17 | gigo | ok |
| 06:29.36 | gigo | anyone else had the trouble I am facing? |
| 06:29.45 | gigo | i want to reportbug but my reportbug crashes |
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| 06:32.47 | pipegeek | When attempting to set a system's root password, I get "Authentication token manipulation error". The system in question is configured to use ldap. I'm guessing that what's happening is that passwd is attempting to change the password of the (nonexistent) ldap user "root", and failing. |
| 06:33.18 | I-Hop | How do i make it so eth0 one is static, whenever i change it in network settings. When i close the window it'll go back to roaming.. |
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| 06:39.44 | pipegeek | any idea how to force passwd to consider only local accounts, if indeed that is the problem? |
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| 06:45.07 | pipegeek | my solution was to use usermod and mkpasswd |
| 06:46.53 | horton | poll: for dual monitors do you prefer two different x sessions or workspace 1+2 |
| 06:46.54 | horton | ? |
| 06:49.16 | cahoot | !poll |
| 06:49.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 06:50.23 | horton | ...fine then |
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| 07:00.26 | gigo | my reportbug is crashing. is there a way to invoke the console based reportbug? |
| 07:00.40 | liable | !funny |
| 07:00.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 07:00.49 | liable | bah, wrong factoid |
| 07:01.15 | gigo | i want to report a bug in domain name resolution, what package would that be? |
| 07:01.38 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 07:01.56 | gigo | when I try to visit a new site, I have to wait for 10 seconds every time. |
| 07:01.58 | liable | there is a resolveconf package, but i am not sure thats your problem |
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| 07:02.04 | liable | !noipv6 |
| 07:02.05 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 07:02.08 | liable | ^^ try that |
| 07:03.00 | gigo | i watched with wireshark. it sends first request, gets response immediately. but it waits for 5 seconds and sends a new dns request, gets response again. |
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| 07:03.13 | gigo | then it tries once more after 5 seconds and then sends requests to the website. |
| 07:03.15 | liable | oh, all ipv4? |
| 07:03.18 | gigo | so I lose 10 seconds every time. |
| 07:03.38 | liable | odd, which program? are they all doing it? |
| 07:04.06 | gigo | wget, firefox, etc. |
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| 07:04.20 | gigo | it sends two DNS requests in quick successions. one is DNS A type and another is DNS AAAA type |
| 07:04.32 | liable | yeah, ipv4 and ipv6 |
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| 07:04.47 | liable | does it get the A back quickly? |
| 07:04.57 | gigo | yes |
| 07:05.23 | gigo | it gets a response only like this: Standard query response A <ipaddress> |
| 07:05.26 | liable | strange, i'm not sure what to blame, the kernel seems likely |
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| 07:06.45 | gigo | so what package should I mention while filing this report. I have collected a good deal of wireshark tcpdumps if the developers want to see it. |
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| 07:07.09 | liable | not sure to be honest |
| 07:07.30 | gigo | ok. what about my reportbug not working? if reportbug not working, how will I file a bug about reportbug? :-) |
| 07:07.40 | gigo | and can I invoke the old console based reportbug? |
| 07:07.58 | liable | what one are you using? is there a graphical one now? |
| 07:08.04 | gigo | yes, in squeeze |
| 07:08.43 | liable | ooh |
| 07:09.01 | lolnic | i don't know what's going on. Sometimes (but not all the time) when i boot my computer the login screen is too small (to the right there is a big patch of blue). does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 07:09.26 | somiaj | gigo: does ping have the same lag resovling the domain name? |
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| 07:09.58 | gigo | let me check somiaj. I will go offline for a few minutes to do the experiments. don't want my wireshark dumps to be cluttered with other data. |
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| 07:12.09 | horton | just installed slim but can't find the binary to launch it.. i expected to find it in /etc/rc.d/slim or some such place but its not to be found.. |
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| 07:14.03 | somiaj | horton: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 07:14.09 | somiaj | horton: you can grep for bin |
| 07:14.10 | lolnic | so has anyone seen my problem before? |
| 07:14.37 | somiaj | lolnic: are you using gdm/xdm/kdm/wdm |
| 07:15.13 | lolnic | i'm using whatever comes with the standard disc 1, and it's gnome, so i guess GDM |
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| 07:17.28 | horton | somiaj: thanks.. greping does show but still can't get it to go.. gonna try xdm instead |
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| 07:18.48 | lolnic | somiaj: it's definitely gdm, none of the others are installed |
| 07:19.18 | somiaj | lolnic: my guess is something is going wrong with your xorg and setting the resolution. Maybe one of the times it boots up wrong, hit alt-f1, and grep the xorg log and see if there are any errors |
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| 07:20.23 | lolnic | alt-f1 opens the menu |
| 07:20.25 | gigo | with ping, it sends the first ping request immediately |
| 07:20.33 | gigo | somiaj, but it takes a lot of time for sending the second ping request |
| 07:21.11 | gigo | there's a 10 lag between the two. in between there are a lot of DNS PTR requests |
| 07:21.30 | somiaj | gigo: I'd still guess its a bad router. I have had swithces do somethign similar |
| 07:21.35 | lolnic | where is the xorg log? |
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| 07:21.42 | somiaj | lolnic: ctrl-alt-f1 [get to a console] and the logs are /var/log |
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| 07:21.48 | gigo | i am using a belkin router |
| 07:21.51 | gigo | what router is recommended? |
| 07:22.18 | anna | hi there, I am getting BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B from the ftp.debian.org servers for all release files, what now? |
| 07:22.29 | somiaj | gigo: one that works, but my guess is your problem is the router. Unless you have some way to test that [hook your machine directaly up to your cable modem] |
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| 07:22.42 | somiaj | gigo: but at this point I would try to limit the router from the situation and see if the problem presists |
| 07:22.56 | gigo | yes, when I hook it directly to the router provided by the ISP, it works fine. |
| 07:22.59 | gigo | no problems at all. |
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| 07:23.21 | somiaj | gigo: so either a) bad router [not uncommon for them since they are fairly cheap electronics] or misconfigured |
| 07:23.40 | SparFux | I recompiled the whole kernel tree and get linux-xenu image again.. Is make-kpkg the culprit? |
| 07:23.48 | somiaj | gigo: things you could try. look up the router make sure you have the most current firmware. Reset its settings, but it sounds to me like bad hardware. |
| 07:24.12 | gigo | ok. but wireshark dump shows that it has got responses from DNS. |
| 07:24.27 | gigo | so why doesn't debian sue the IP address immediately to get the web pages? |
| 07:24.33 | lolnic | grep doesn't find "(EE)" anywhere in the logs |
| 07:24.33 | gigo | s/sue/use |
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| 07:27.20 | anna | hi there, I am getting BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B from the ftp.debian.org servers for all release files, what now? |
| 07:28.12 | liable | been doing it for a day now |
| 07:28.19 | horton | ok. so when i try to /etc/init.d/xdm start it says "starting x session" but nothing happens... nothing on tty7+ . anyone have a clue for me |
| 07:28.33 | anna | for everybody that is? I guess then it's ftpmasters who changed something |
| 07:28.41 | liable | horton: take a look at the end of xorg log |
| 07:28.41 | horton | this is a net-install |
| 07:28.42 | tensorpudding | horton: did you check your Xorg log? |
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| 07:28.44 | somiaj | horton: check the xlogs, see why it can't start x |
| 07:29.21 | anna | is there an option to disable gpg checks for apt-get update then? |
| 07:29.22 | horton | can't find anything in .var/log/ on xorg... or am i not looking in the right palce? |
| 07:29.55 | rabidweezle | man, I hate time warps while I'm at work (daylight savings) |
| 07:29.56 | liable | Xorg.0.log |
| 07:29.56 | liable | or similar.. |
| 07:29.56 | horton | ah |
| 07:29.56 | liable | i always forget what exact thing it is |
| 07:29.59 | somiaj | anna: apt-get update to ftp.debian.org is working just fine for me. You might have something happening you need to look into |
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| 07:30.51 | anna | somiaj: This is just a Testing box with a couple of Unstable things in it, and the debian key ring package is at the level desired at http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090523 |
| 07:31.21 | somiaj | anna: actually wait, the most recent release has an invalid signature. you can try a bug report, but I guess it something that will get fixed |
| 07:32.19 | lolnic | there's some warnings in my gdm logs |
| 07:32.39 | anna | somiaj: You are right, gpg --list-keys confirms it. It's the only key I got and it's out of date. |
| 07:33.26 | anna | But honestly, I can't disable signature checks with apt-get at all? That ought to be a bug. :) |
| 07:33.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | anna: look at secureapt |
| 07:33.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | *secure apt configuration |
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| 07:34.30 | anna | Kamping_Kaiser: You mean man apt-secure ? |
| 07:34.47 | lolnic | there's some warnings about intel in my gdm logs |
| 07:35.26 | SparFux | In debian by default Xen is configure for linux kernels. make-kpkg gives me a xenu-image due to that as of version 12.024 make-kpkg. Can I use this "xenu" image normally, too? Or is it just usable in virtualisation? |
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| 07:35.48 | somiaj | anna: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553533 there is already a bug report, just be paitent. |
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| 07:36.15 | anna | somiaj: Thanks for the pointer |
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| 07:36.49 | lolnic | oh well, looks like my problem is uncommon |
| 07:37.07 | lolnic | i'll just press ctrl+alt+backspace when it happens |
| 07:37.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | anna: I was thinking more man 5 apt.config -> security section, but waiting is a good suggestion too :) |
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| 07:38.23 | horton | tail of xdm log shows "starting X server on :0 --- server /usr/bin/X cannot be executed" there is no file/dir /usr/bin/X so where's the server i should point the config file to? |
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| 07:39.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | horton: do you have xorg installed? |
| 07:39.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | xserver-xorg is what provides that file |
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| 07:41.03 | anna | Thanks guys... I updated to bug to reflect that ftp.debian.org is also affected... see you later |
| 07:41.29 | horton | Kamping_Kaiser: ah.... *bashfully staring at the floor....that would explain it. |
| 07:41.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | horton: :) |
| 07:42.09 | horton | Kamping_Kaiser: haha i had just assumed it was installed in the dependencies for the other packages i'd installed. thanks |
| 07:42.13 | ruben23 | h how do i copy content files from my /var/www server1 to another local /var/www server2 with rsync through ssh |
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| 07:43.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | ruben23: the rsync man page gives examples |
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| 08:07.44 | hagabaka | the perl package seems to include the Encode module. there is a convmv package that depends on perl, and uses Encode. but its manpage says to install Encode::HanExtra for extra Chinese encodings. I installed that using cpan2dist, but it seems that perl only uses the default Encode, and doesn't find the extras... |
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| 08:12.34 | krion | hello |
| 08:12.46 | krion | something wrong with pgp ? BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) |
| 08:12.56 | liable | yep |
| 08:12.59 | liable | broken |
| 08:13.06 | krion | damn |
| 08:13.40 | krion | i'll prefer to wait until it's fix then |
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| 08:18.58 | krion | looks like the default auto modeline selected by xorg on my computer is 800x600, i wonder if it's possible to change that resolution without the need to create an xorg.conf file. where ? |
| 08:19.22 | xhairball | krion: try 'xrandr' to see what's detected |
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| 08:22.00 | krion | i can use either 800x600 1024x768 or 1280x768 |
| 08:22.23 | krion | but what i wonder is, why xorg select 800x600 as the auto default modes |
| 08:22.44 | krion | i wonder if i can change that default behavior without editing xorg.conf |
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| 08:26.17 | somiaj | I need to learn how the new autodetcing xorg.conf works, I have just used my configured one for so long no need to expierment |
| 08:26.34 | draeath | If I wanted to "duplicate" a system by installing all packages that are on another machine, how would I do so? |
| 08:27.06 | Wyzard | krion: I think if your monitor reports a certain preferred mode (LCDs typically do) it uses that, otherwise it uses the largest mode that it thinks your monitor supports (based on the horizontal and vertical sync frequency ranges reported by the monitor) |
| 08:27.37 | somiaj | draeath: you could reate a list of all installed packages by dpkg -l | grep "^ii" > package_list |
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| 08:28.01 | somiaj | draeath: create a list, and then install all the packages on that list. |
| 08:28.21 | gasull | I'm trying to download a .torrent from debian.org and I get the error "Permission denied". |
| 08:28.32 | xhairball | draeath: dpkg --get-selections and then dpkg --set-selections on the other end (I'm sure there's a factoid about this). You may want to look at pkgsync too. |
| 08:28.33 | draeath | once I had that list, how would I install it? I'd also like to keep the states, ie, whether they were automatically installed or not |
| 08:28.37 | draeath | I use aptitude |
| 08:28.44 | draeath | aah, ty xhairball |
| 08:28.45 | somiaj | draeath: if you wanted to you could copy over the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to the new machine so you don't have to redownload all the packages. |
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| 08:29.34 | xhairball | draeath: hmm that won't preserve aptitude state though (automatically installed, etc). |
| 08:30.00 | draeath | what about making it install packages that are not present, but not uninstalling etc? |
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| 08:31.16 | xhairball | everything is listed as install/deinstall. You can't tell what was chosen by you, and what was an automatically fulfilled dependency with dpkg --get-seletions. |
| 08:31.44 | draeath | so, what happens if I grep out the deinstall? would it remove anything not in the list? |
| 08:32.11 | xhairball | this is dpkg though, it doesn't know about aptitude's state. |
| 08:32.35 | draeath | I may be overthinking this |
| 08:32.41 | draeath | I probably am, actually |
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| 08:34.05 | krion | xrandr http://pastebin.com/d1957bd34 |
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| 08:34.11 | SparFux | Damn, my xenu-linux make-kpkg-generated image does not boot. It says I have to load kernel first. |
| 08:34.15 | krion | i think the + mean the default one |
| 08:34.26 | krion | Wyzard: you probably right |
| 08:34.43 | krion | Wyzard: would work great with lcd |
| 08:35.04 | krion | hence, 800x600 is too small for me (15") |
| 08:36.12 | xhairball | draeath: You want a tool to reference this: /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates |
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| 08:37.02 | tomi | hi |
| 08:37.14 | SparFux | hi |
| 08:37.21 | xhairball | !aptitude clone |
| 08:37.22 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 08:37.36 | tomi | has anybody configured aptana radrails on debian ? |
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| 08:38.21 | xhairball | draeath: see above. That will preserve the aptitude state. |
| 08:38.51 | draeath | tytytyty!!!! |
| 08:39.03 | zanden | i'm trying to install apache2 with mpm-worker support on lenny , but when trying to do that it removes php5 related packages , why that ? |
| 08:39.32 | azeem | zanden: because AFAIK php5 doesn't work with mpm-worker |
| 08:39.55 | draeath | what is xargs |
| 08:40.07 | draeath | ah I see |
| 08:40.37 | zanden | azeem: thanks |
| 08:40.43 | TerminX | doesn't php5-cgi work with the threaded mpm? |
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| 08:44.45 | krion | i shpuld try not to use dvi |
| 08:46.05 | tomi | i have a problem with aptana radrails, it not see ma ruby interpreter, and rails . What are ptah to ruby , rails in debian squeeze |
| 08:46.06 | tomi | ? |
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| 08:52.48 | valdyn | tomi: dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:54.03 | tomi | but, if i set paths where it is atana sitl dont see gems |
| 08:54.07 | tomi | any idea? |
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| 08:54.49 | valdyn | tomi: gems == rails ? |
| 08:55.10 | simonrvn | gem installs are pretty fucked - you have to include gems in your script, or set it as an environment vairable |
| 08:55.31 | simonrvn | that's upstream's fault. it's recommended to use the packages. |
| 08:56.17 | tomi | no gems are like apt for pakage |
| 08:56.25 | valdyn | tomi: thats the problem |
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| 08:56.49 | tomi | but i installed gems via apt |
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| 08:57.13 | tomi | simonrv: how to sets path in aptana? |
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| 08:57.30 | valdyn | wth is aptana? |
| 08:58.07 | tomi | aptana is prgramers ide |
| 08:58.48 | JyZyXEL | oh neat i just noticed apt is doing parallel downloads |
| 08:59.05 | simonrvn | tomi: i know what they are |
| 08:59.12 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: jsut if you have different sources with different packages |
| 08:59.14 | tomi | sory |
| 08:59.20 | simonrvn | tomi: i don't know what you're talking about |
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| 09:00.07 | tomi | aptana say that i haven`t installed gems or ruby interpreter or rails |
| 09:00.10 | tomi | but i have |
| 09:00.31 | tomi | i thing if i set path to this thing i will be work |
| 09:00.44 | simonrvn | is it packaged? if so, use the package. if not, ask them, not us. |
| 09:01.23 | tomi | only aptana isn`t prom pakage |
| 09:01.34 | simonrvn | or fix it so that it find ruby in /usr/bin |
| 09:01.41 | tomi | ok |
| 09:01.44 | tomi | thanks |
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| 09:01.59 | simonrvn | finds* |
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| 09:04.20 | tomi | simonrvn: have you any tutorial how to install aptana +rails on debian ? |
| 09:04.37 | simonrvn | no. google does. |
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| 09:16.17 | Latsni | hi, does somebody know an tool under debian where i easiely konvert a video ogv to a gif file? |
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| 09:24.23 | Phoxis | apt-get install gcc |
| 09:24.30 | Phoxis | is this how i can install gcc in debina / |
| 09:24.31 | liable | got it |
| 09:24.40 | Phoxis | *debian |
| 09:24.45 | valdyn | Phoxis: thats possible but pretty useless |
| 09:24.50 | Phoxis | why |
| 09:24.51 | valdyn | Phoxis: instead try: |
| 09:24.51 | mhymn | Latsni: ffmpeg perhaps |
| 09:24.54 | valdyn | !b-e Phoxis |
| 09:24.54 | dpkg | Phoxis: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:25.28 | valdyn | Phoxis: because a C compiler without the headers and make isnt useful |
| 09:25.29 | Phoxis | i mean, i haven't got gcc installed in the system and want gcc to get installed |
| 09:25.45 | Phoxis | i mean the compiler with the headers |
| 09:26.43 | SparFux | Anybody able to watch youtube videos with gstreamer in debian unstable? |
| 09:27.29 | valdyn | SparFux: you mean with totem? |
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| 09:29.37 | SparFux | valdyn: hm... so far I am trying with iceweasel. |
| 09:29.51 | SparFux | valdyn: I mean with gpl software, gnash or swfdec. |
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| 09:30.58 | valdyn | SparFux: gstreamer is only a filter framework and api, its not usually used by users directly |
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| 09:32.12 | valdyn | SparFux: gnash should work, im not using it though |
| 09:32.51 | SparFux | it doesn't work for me. |
| 09:33.07 | valdyn | SparFux: *it* ? is it using swfdec or gnash? |
| 09:33.16 | SparFux | the swfdec shows black screen, posts say plugins are needed, but I already installed all pugins. |
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| 09:33.47 | SparFux | valdyn: iceweasel I tried with swfdec and gnash. both get started in iceweasel window, but don't show video and don't play sound. hm... |
| 09:34.10 | SparFux | valdyn: perhaps it really is an xorg problem. I am using nouveau video driver. I should perhaps try with vesa. |
| 09:34.14 | valdyn | SparFux: how are you switching between the 2? |
| 09:34.24 | somiaj | SparFux: are you trying to use a free flash? why not just use the adobe plugin? |
| 09:34.29 | SparFux | valdyn: de-installing the one and reinstalling the other. |
| 09:34.37 | valdyn | SparFux: ok, that works but uh |
| 09:34.50 | valdyn | SparFux: use update-alternatives --list flash-mozilla.so |
| 09:34.52 | SparFux | somiaj: I am not a fan of binary only stuff :-\ |
| 09:35.12 | SparFux | valdyn: ah, :-) |
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| 09:35.21 | somiaj | SparFux: yea, I haven't tried any of the free flash stuff so can't help ya there. |
| 09:35.48 | valdyn | SparFux: maybe its trying to use gnash-opengl ? |
| 09:36.01 | SparFux | valdyn: gnash-opengl is not installed. |
| 09:37.05 | valdyn | judd: versions gnash |
| 09:37.12 | judd | valdyn: gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.6-1 squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
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| 09:38.03 | SparFux | gnash and swfdec both give me just black screen in iceweasel. |
| 09:38.04 | Roland- | hey, how can I see my motherboard model ? |
| 09:38.25 | SparFux | totem is able to browse youtube and play videos? |
| 09:38.39 | valdyn | SparFux: not in lenny afaik |
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| 09:39.51 | somiaj | SparFux: you should grab youtube-dl from sid [its just a script], it downloadds the video and you can play it in the player of your choice. |
| 09:40.00 | SparFux | valdyn: but iceweasel I have to restart every time I change alternatives :-) |
| 09:40.13 | valdyn | SparFux: yea, i think so |
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| 09:43.02 | Latsni | mhymn: ffmpeg does work, but i have to extract jpg files with it and after that i had to use convert to put the file together to an animated gif .. i thought on an "one step" tool for that job |
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| 09:44.00 | simonrvn | Latsni: does phatch handle that stuff? it has a workflo thingy... you could probably make a "droplet" and put your videos through that. |
| 09:44.09 | simonrvn | Latsni: videos i mean |
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| 09:44.23 | valdyn | SparFux: swfdec from sid works for me, but its horrible slow even compared to adobe flash |
| 09:44.30 | valdyn | SparFux: gnash is broken... |
| 09:44.43 | dustybin | can the P in LAMP, also stand for Perl and Python? |
| 09:44.50 | skysong | hi guys, im planning to install debian tonight and was wondering how many of the cds are required for the installation? |
| 09:45.22 | skysong | err i mean dvds.. |
| 09:45.22 | somiaj | skysong: do you have a good internet connection the machine is going to be on? |
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| 09:45.37 | skysong | somiaj: 1MB |
| 09:46.02 | SparFux | valdyn: I am on sid (unstable). I think it's something with my nouveau stuff. .. |
| 09:46.04 | skysong | and i don't need gnome or kde:/ |
| 09:46.16 | somiaj | skysong: yes is sufficent. I'd just grab a single netinstall iso, install a base system and then get everything from the internet, apt is really nice that way. |
| 09:46.21 | simonrvn | skysong: still only 1 cd/dvd |
| 09:46.43 | skysong | okay, will try the dvd then. Thanks. |
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| 09:47.06 | skysong | concerning the net install, ill have to configure everything like in gentoo? (kernel configs are my worst nightmare) |
| 09:47.12 | simonrvn | and yeh with broadband i'd get the netinst too |
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| 09:47.21 | simonrvn | no, kernels are provided |
| 09:47.22 | valdyn | skysong: netinst is not different to the dvd when you install |
| 09:47.36 | valdyn | skysong: it only downloads packages as required instead of getting those from dvd |
| 09:47.42 | skysong | okay. Thanks a lot will try the net install then:) |
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| 09:47.58 | simonrvn | esp. if the network-available ones are newer ;) |
| 09:48.10 | somiaj | skysong: yea, you can just download a smaller ISO that is only a few hundered megs instead of a full dvd. Then get only the packages you want with apt. |
| 09:48.27 | skysong | somiaj: will have to do some reading i guess:) |
| 09:48.37 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 09:48.38 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 09:48.39 | skysong | since that's going to be my first shot at debian |
| 09:49.37 | simonrvn | skysong: my installations tend to last longer than the machine they're in |
| 09:50.13 | heroxbd | Hi. Anyone used rootstrap? I installed from apt and it do not work by default. |
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| 09:54.14 | mhymn | Latsni: then that'd be a simple bash script i suppose |
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| 09:58.40 | valdyn | SparFux: totem has a youtube browser and viewer plugin btw |
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| 10:00.21 | rojak | how do i know if a website that i visited is developed using PHP, Python, Java, Perl web framework ? |
| 10:00.28 | SparFux | valdyn: and a mozilla plugin ;-) |
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| 10:00.53 | ibor | How to add an unofficial repository like that one http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/tl2009-pre/ ? |
| 10:01.29 | ibor | I couldn't get it to be accepted in sources.list |
| 10:01.39 | SparFux | valdyn: not even html5 iceweasel video works persistently. I can watch about 5 videos and then playing doesn't start anymore, even when restarting iceweasel. |
| 10:01.55 | jamesstanley | rojak: the only way to know is to look at the filename extension |
| 10:02.04 | jamesstanley | and that's not guaranteed to be correct |
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| 10:05.05 | jrib | ibor: that's not an ubuntu repository... |
| 10:05.18 | jrib | ibor: texlive is in ubuntu's default repositories |
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| 10:06.22 | ibor | jrib: I need 2009 which is not yet released. The guy asked for testers so I want to install it. Just don't know how ;) |
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| 10:06.49 | jrib | ibor: if it's not for ubuntu, then you risk breaking things. The dependencies may not match up |
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| 10:07.06 | hark | jrib: wrong channel |
| 10:07.14 | jrib | hark: haha |
| 10:07.19 | jrib | ibor: wow, sorry. |
| 10:07.54 | hark | ibor: try a ./ -> deb url ./ |
| 10:08.04 | jrib | ibor: pastebin your sources.list after adding the repository and the output of « apt-get update »? |
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| 10:08.46 | ibor | ./ is a good idea, will try ... |
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| 10:10.05 | ibor | Yea that worked. Thank you very much ! |
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| 10:13.27 | limx | hey |
| 10:13.39 | limx | whats the best way to install python 2.6 on debian testing? |
| 10:13.57 | limx | any backports? |
| 10:14.06 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 10:21.42 | ibor | hark, jrib: Just for the record: "deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX tl2009-pre/" worked out :) |
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| 10:22.24 | jrib | ibor: cool |
| 10:22.32 | tarik | Hi all |
| 10:23.46 | smhar | I am trying to update my debian but I got an error that the packages can not be authenticated, I am using ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 10:24.11 | hark | smhar: i think that's a know issue |
| 10:24.15 | TerminX | it should be fixed now, but that mirror might not be updated yet |
| 10:24.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | smhar: there is an expired key floating around, the next mirror push should fix it |
| 10:24.21 | TerminX | I know ftp.fr.debian.org is fixed now |
| 10:24.32 | hark | ibor: cool, i was thinking of deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/tl2009-pre/ ./ |
| 10:24.49 | hark | ibor: but that works as well :) |
| 10:25.08 | somiaj | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553533 |
| 10:25.14 | somiaj | yea it looks fixed smhar ^^ |
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| 10:26.50 | smhar | thanks |
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| 10:30.22 | ibor | hark: Yes, it worked for apt-get update but apt-get install couldn't find the deb files ... |
| 10:32.52 | rabidweezle | wonders why he has been playing facebook apps for like 8 hours... |
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| 10:33.54 | caraconan | Hi. I want to allow certain traffic from outside to my server (http,ftp,dns...), and close all other ports. Can someone point me to a sample iptables config? |
| 10:33.55 | caraconan | Thanks |
| 10:34.30 | rabidweezle | caraconan, does this server have x installed? |
| 10:34.35 | caraconan | No |
| 10:34.52 | rabidweezle | does your workstation? |
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| 10:34.58 | caraconan | Yes |
| 10:35.21 | rabidweezle | on your workstation get firestarter, and use that to setup an iptables |
| 10:35.24 | AimHere | Won't it be easier to look up 'sample iptables config' on google? First hit looks like just the ticket |
| 10:35.31 | rabidweezle | :) |
| 10:35.33 | caraconan | ok, thanks a lot |
| 10:36.05 | caraconan | <AimHere> In the past I test this solution, but does'nt works. It's my second attempt |
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| 10:38.55 | rabidweezle | wonders if there is a curses version of iptables |
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| 10:39.00 | rabidweezle | I mean firestarter |
| 10:39.00 | rabidweezle | xD |
| 10:39.38 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m2e2e247b =>error when launch firestarter |
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| 10:41.19 | rabidweezle | weird |
| 10:41.27 | rabidweezle | so you installed firestarter... |
| 10:41.53 | rabidweezle | then ran it... |
| 10:41.53 | rabidweezle | and it said you don't have config file |
| 10:42.18 | caraconan | [FIXED] dbus-launch firestarter |
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| 10:43.28 | rabidweezle | last time I used firestarter was on ubuntu :/ |
| 10:43.43 | caraconan | I'm wrong or firestarter only works for local machine? |
| 10:44.14 | rabidweezle | it does, but what you do is look at it's changes to your ip tables and copy them over |
| 10:44.38 | caraconan | Well, it's a good approach. I will try. Thanks a lot |
| 10:44.39 | rabidweezle | then then change your local settings back |
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| 11:04.14 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:04.15 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 11:09.03 | morpheuss | is there a way to find history of xserver and xclient? |
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| 11:09.23 | somiaj | besides the logs morpheuss? |
| 11:09.32 | morpheuss | ya somiaj |
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| 11:09.56 | morpheuss | something like history file |
| 11:10.14 | somiaj | not that I know of, but that isn't saying much |
| 11:10.23 | somiaj | just figured I'd state the first place I'd look |
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| 11:14.36 | morpheuss | somiaj, how about xservers current session activities? |
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| 11:15.59 | somiaj | morpheuss: that is usually exported to stderr, so depending on how the server is launched depends on where that gets piped |
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| 11:17.24 | Gijs | hey all |
| 11:17.49 | Gijs | i'm uploading files to my server with SFTP but it limits my speed to ~50kbps |
| 11:17.57 | Gijs | how can i reset it to make it higher? |
| 11:18.42 | somiaj | Gijs: sure this isn't just a limitation on your internet [know that lots of isps give you far less upload than download] |
| 11:19.11 | somiaj | Gijs: sftp does add a bit more info cause of the encryption, so that can account for some of the speed loss you are seeing |
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| 11:28.56 | cH40z-Lord | hm... do I need anything special to allow my ftp-user to use symlinks ( editing the files behind the symlinks ) ? |
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| 11:30.24 | cH40z-Lord | or is there any other way to "clone" a file ? |
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| 11:33.27 | rabidweezle | if you want them to edit the file to the symlinks, I guess you would give them the real file and symlink to where to belongs instead, it can go both ways |
| 11:34.14 | bolt | Help! I bought a new SteelSeries Xai mouse, but xorg is configuring it as a keyboard, according to Xorg.0.log. I tried using hal to force its driver to "mouse", and then it detects 9 buttons and such, so it obviously has some communication with it, but the mouse still doesn't work as expected. The buttons will randomly close windows on the screen, and moving the mouse does nothing. |
| 11:35.04 | rabidweezle | that's the second mouse story I've heard about being detected as a keyboard in 2 days |
| 11:35.08 | rabidweezle | before that... nothing |
| 11:35.23 | rabidweezle | what kernel you running? |
| 11:35.57 | rabidweezle | wonders what his mouse is recognized as while he's at it |
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| 11:41.41 | nsadmin | my mouse is recognized as a cat |
| 11:41.57 | liable | install a dog |
| 11:42.47 | nsadmin | which will be recognized as a ytied |
| 11:43.00 | bolt | rabidweezle: 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 |
| 11:43.02 | bolt | tried both |
| 11:43.09 | bolt | on squeeze |
| 11:44.43 | bolt | the xai's little brother, kinzu, worked fine |
| 11:44.57 | bolt | except it has an annoying straight line prediction when used on high CPI settings |
| 11:45.00 | bolt | which is horrible |
| 11:45.34 | rabidweezle | :( |
| 11:45.35 | rabidweezle | lemme google it :/ |
| 11:45.36 | bolt | so i bought the xai, where it's all the prediction thingies are adjustable down to a jittery nothing, but now i have to use a separate mouse when i boot debian |
| 11:46.03 | bolt | it is AWESOME in windows though |
| 11:46.04 | rabidweezle | nods nods |
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| 11:47.27 | rabidweezle | oh |
| 11:47.28 | rabidweezle | I've seen these mice |
| 11:47.29 | rabidweezle | xD |
| 11:47.36 | rabidweezle | the 100 dollar gaming mice |
| 11:47.44 | bolt | yeh |
| 11:47.49 | rabidweezle | yeah, they don't even work on macs |
| 11:48.03 | bolt | kinzu does |
| 11:48.05 | rabidweezle | non-standard driver |
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| 11:48.27 | rabidweezle | is that xai the WoW mouse? |
| 11:48.33 | bolt | nope |
| 11:48.55 | bolt | http://www.steelseries.com/int/products/mice/xai_laser/information |
| 11:48.59 | rabidweezle | and they say they have no intention of releasing a linux driver |
| 11:49.10 | bolt | only laser mouse i've found that has a 1mm liftoff distance |
| 11:49.13 | rabidweezle | for any of the steel series |
| 11:49.27 | rabidweezle | but they would happily assist in an open source solution |
| 11:50.02 | rabidweezle | And they are the only mouse I know that isn't standard HID compliant |
| 11:50.19 | rabidweezle | And not willing to code their own linux or mac driver :( |
| 11:50.33 | rabidweezle | googles some more |
| 11:50.50 | bolt | looks to me like that only goes for the wow mouse though |
| 11:50.58 | bolt | and this isn't it |
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| 11:52.34 | bolt | it works with the standard mouse driver in windows xp. no installation. i don't think this is as special as the wow one. |
| 11:53.06 | rabidweezle | ooh |
| 11:53.25 | rabidweezle | looks up more |
| 11:55.29 | rabidweezle | well, no one posted any problems with em on ubuntu's forums.. |
| 11:55.44 | jonen | hi. is it possible to remove e.g. kmahjongg without removing the package kde4 |
| 11:55.46 | bolt | it was released to the general stores like 2 days ago :) |
| 11:55.59 | azeem | jonen: did you try? |
| 11:56.08 | jonen | sure |
| 11:56.08 | bolt | i tried the ubuntu 9.10 livecd, though. same thing there. keyboard. |
| 11:56.15 | azeem | jonen: then no |
| 11:56.30 | jonen | it wants ro remove plenty kde packages |
| 11:56.34 | jonen | to* |
| 11:56.40 | azeem | so do it |
| 11:56.47 | azeem | kde4 is just an empty meta-package |
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| 11:57.06 | azeem | you will have a lessened upgrade experience, but that is all |
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| 11:57.31 | jonen | yes but i just want to remove some packages (e.g. kdegames) and not e.g. gwenview |
| 11:57.49 | jonen | which will be the case if the kde4 meta package will is removed |
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| 11:57.56 | rabidweezle | bolt, ahh, so it's too new basically. What I suggest is posting it on launchpad that it is detected wrong and wait 6 months xD |
| 11:58.27 | rabidweezle | just kidding bolt |
| 11:58.27 | rabidweezle | perhaps just tell the linux kernel guys about it |
| 11:58.35 | rabidweezle | or xorg |
| 11:58.36 | bolt | rabidweezle: http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?p=196014 <-- a steelseries rep. saying it should work on linux |
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| 11:58.51 | bolt | i think i'll poke steelseries themselves |
| 11:58.53 | rabidweezle | but it doesn't on 2 distros? |
| 11:59.02 | rabidweezle | nods |
| 11:59.36 | rabidweezle | I mean, to me, if a piece of hardware doesn't run in ubuntu or debian, I'd say it doesn't work in linux unless you are using massively old versions |
| 11:59.43 | bolt | just got a firmware update too. no clue if the last one worked, as i was testing it for gaming first, and then it updated itself |
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| 12:00.05 | rabidweezle | might help |
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| 12:00.17 | rabidweezle | firmware means alot |
| 12:00.29 | bolt | yeh. just wish there was a way to try the previous version |
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| 12:01.02 | bolt | but at least the firmware can be updated, so i guess there's hope they can fix it |
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| 12:01.32 | rabidweezle | nods |
| 12:02.41 | rabidweezle | personally I wouldn't make a piece of hardware without testing it on everyone who has a possibility of using it (ps2, ps3, xbox360, windows, linux, mac, freebsd, etc) |
| 12:02.59 | rabidweezle | since they are all valid customers |
| 12:03.16 | rabidweezle | at least with something so widely used as a mouse |
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| 12:07.11 | bolt | yeh |
| 12:07.29 | bolt | i just have the feeling there's something really simple i can do to fix this |
| 12:07.29 | bolt | gah |
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| 12:07.42 | bolt | sent a mail to steelseries support though |
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| 12:08.16 | bolt | but the last time i contacted them, about the prediction settings on the kinzu (which couldn't be disabled, so i returned the mouse to the store) they took a week to answer |
| 12:09.05 | bolt | are there any alternatives to the "mouse" driver i'm forcing it to use now? |
| 12:09.12 | bolt | something that might work better? |
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| 12:09.38 | bolt | i tried most of the protocols with the "mouse" driver btw. PS/2, ImPS/2, ExplorerPS/2, IntelliMouse and so on |
| 12:09.45 | bolt | virtually no difference |
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| 12:12.12 | nsadmin | you probably have, but I'll ask anyway... have you googled? |
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| 12:13.58 | pipct | Is there a file in /proc that can tell me if I have a 64bit system ? |
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| 12:15.54 | bolt | nsadmin: lots |
| 12:16.02 | bolt | nsadmin: so has rabidweezle, it seems :) |
| 12:16.27 | bolt | nsadmin: the mouse was released to the public 2 days ago, so there's not much out there on it yet |
| 12:16.41 | hark | pipct: why /proc ? |
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| 12:17.21 | bolt | nsadmin: but like i told rabid, it's driverless in winxp, so there's probably some small fix to make it work flawlessly in debian. also its little brother, then kinzu, works perfectly |
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| 12:18.49 | pipct | hark: doesn't have to be /proc, i just tought it had a lot of info about the system |
| 12:19.09 | hark | pipct: what does uname -r say? |
| 12:19.29 | macrobat | uname -m is even better |
| 12:19.35 | linduxed | patrikf: newsbeuter worked out nice, thx |
| 12:19.46 | patrikf | linduxed: ah, great :) |
| 12:19.51 | pipct | i686 (but it booted with a ubuntu cd for x86) |
| 12:21.37 | pipct | (yes, i install debian with ubuntu cd's (debootstrap), the debian cd doesn't recognize my networkcards) |
| 12:22.12 | valdyn | pipct: why do you ask when you already know that its 32-bit because you installed 32-bit |
| 12:22.32 | pipct | I installed 32bit because i know it works on both 32 and 64 |
| 12:22.35 | valdyn | pipct: because you really want to know if your hardware is 64-bit capable? |
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| 12:24.00 | rabidweezle | the easy way to get it... what cpu do you have? |
| 12:24.42 | hark | check for the lm flag, but you should be asking #ubuntu |
| 12:25.05 | rabidweezle | or really easy way, try to install a AMD64 live disc and see what happens xD |
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| 12:25.26 | rabidweezle | if it even boots at all, it's 64 bit :) |
| 12:25.31 | macrobat | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 12:26.07 | macrobat | nvm :( |
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| 12:26.37 | rabidweezle | personally, mine was easy to tell since on the laptop it said AMD64 X2 :) |
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| 12:27.22 | da65 | can anyone tell me when etch will cease to be supported |
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| 12:27.50 | pipct | "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i model" tells me |
| 12:27.50 | pipct | model name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2130 @ 1.86GHz |
| 12:27.50 | pipct | model: 14 |
| 12:27.50 | pipct | (twice, probably dual core) |
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| 12:27.57 | themill | da65: February-ish next year, most likely. Note that some parts of etch (e.g. iceweasel) are already unsupported. |
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| 12:28.34 | da65 | crap, my server is etc, anyone know when plesk and lenny will be comaptable? |
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| 12:28.47 | da65 | etch I mean |
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| 12:28.56 | valdyn | !plesk |
| 12:28.57 | dpkg | i guess plesk is Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:29.03 | themill | da65: try ##plesk |
| 12:29.24 | da65 | supported in etch not lenny at the mo apprently |
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| 12:30.21 | rabidweezle | so when it's "not supported", you stop getting security updates or something from official repo? |
| 12:30.38 | da65 | yeah, thats important eh! |
| 12:30.52 | rabidweezle | for sure |
| 12:31.03 | themill | rabidweezle: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 12:31.05 | da65 | guess my server people will offer free upgrade |
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| 12:33.48 | Nach | I just upgraded from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30, and Linux no longer seems to register when I close the lid on my laptop. Is there some setting I can change to fix that? |
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| 12:34.36 | Gargus | hi people, anyone can help me with 'unique' command? |
| 12:35.00 | Gargus | I think I found a bug |
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| 12:37.18 | azeem | Gargus: you need to be more specific if you want help |
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| 12:37.38 | Gargus | azeem ok, sorry |
| 12:37.50 | Gargus | azeem I have a list of user names |
| 12:38.16 | Gargus | and I want to remove duplicate names |
| 12:38.49 | themill | Gargus: do you mean /usr/bin/uniq not /usr/sbin/unique? |
| 12:39.09 | Gargus | oops |
| 12:39.14 | Gargus | it's uniq |
| 12:39.20 | Gargus | my mistake |
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| 12:40.06 | themill | Gargus: uniq only removes successive identical lines, not lines that are repeated anywhere in the input. For that you need to sort first "sort | uniq" or even better, just use sort -u |
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| 12:40.36 | Gargus | themill yes, I realize that... |
| 12:40.47 | Gargus | but I don't know why... in my Ubuntu it works |
| 12:40.54 | azeem | what? |
| 12:41.09 | azeem | please cite the command you run |
| 12:41.15 | azeem | you're extremely vague |
| 12:41.40 | Gargus | sorry azeem I'm not speak english very well |
| 12:41.46 | Gargus | I'm from Brazil... |
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| 12:42.17 | Gargus | cat $1 | grep '^127' | grep -v 'TCP_DENIED:NONE$' | cut -f3 -d' ' | uniq > $temp/users.txt |
| 12:42.29 | Gargus | this is the command |
| 12:42.41 | Gargus | $1 is a squid log |
| 12:42.48 | linduxed | Gargus: and the 'bug' according to you is? |
| 12:43.08 | Gargus | linduxed in Debian the output is not "unique" |
| 12:43.20 | Gargus | in my Kubuntu it works.. |
| 12:43.26 | Gargus | I don't know if is a bug or not |
| 12:43.35 | azeem | Gargus: where did you read that uniq output is "unique"? |
| 12:43.44 | azeem | do you get duplicated lines directly after each other? |
| 12:43.45 | valdyn | Gargus: it does not work in kubuntu either |
| 12:43.47 | azeem | can you cite them? |
| 12:44.06 | Gargus | azeem yes, sorry |
| 12:44.12 | Gargus | I don't read |
| 12:44.28 | Gargus | I just think |
| 12:44.33 | Gargus | I read the manual |
| 12:44.59 | Gargus | but I thought that it works for me |
| 12:45.25 | Gargus | perhaps my file (access.log) cames organized and it works |
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| 12:45.56 | Gargus | thanks.. now I understand |
| 12:46.12 | Gargus | I'll try use sort instead of uniq |
| 12:47.05 | Gargus | thanks everyone, sorry the false alarme |
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| 12:52.44 | krion | quick fix for debian signature, thanks ! |
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| 13:02.28 | hd_chro | hark: I found my computer reboot is caused by insmod fglrx.ko, when I manual insmod ./fglrx.ko in kernel 2.6.26-xen-amd64, the kernel panic with reboot computer, I run xserver successfully on another computer with nvdia 8600gt default nv driver whose kernel is xen-amd64 kernel with patched hypervisor. |
| 13:02.36 | hd_chro | hark: My xen vm machine run several second stop response maybe related my used bug application, so I give up configure the xen vm. |
| 13:02.44 | hd_chro | hark: I uncertain fglrx driver crash related with my ati display card, because I used patched xen hypervisor. and now I give up configure xen-amd64 display driver, because problem is not here. |
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| 13:04.04 | muczy | hi |
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| 13:04.29 | private_morozov | hi |
| 13:04.40 | muczy | how can i "brand" iceweasel so it will look like original firefox? |
| 13:05.05 | smhar_ | I installed kismet in my system but I can not seem to figure out my source type. I have a builtin Broadcom wireless controller controlled by the wl driver. any tips on how to find it out |
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| 13:05.33 | muczy | smhar_: i think you can't use kismet/aircrack with broadcom |
| 13:05.38 | muczy | at least with wl |
| 13:05.41 | rabidweezle | muczy, I use personas to do that |
| 13:05.54 | muczy | rabidweezle: personas? i'll have a look at it |
| 13:06.20 | muczy | does this change the icon, name, everything? |
| 13:06.24 | rabidweezle | it's a skin manager plugin for firefox/iceweasel |
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| 13:06.35 | rabidweezle | no, you can just download an icon really |
| 13:06.49 | muczy | i see |
| 13:06.53 | rabidweezle | and change it on your menu |
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| 13:07.15 | rabidweezle | I just use the firefox carbon fiber theme |
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| 13:09.21 | rabidweezle | called carbonfox |
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| 13:11.34 | private_morozov | i already configured pptpd and has successfully connected to server, but i can't access to local networks :( how do this? |
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| 13:13.13 | viyyer | hi I am trying to debuild icu. when I compile I get this error |
| 13:13.39 | private_morozov | only questions :( |
| 13:13.56 | viyyer | pasted in #flood |
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| 13:14.08 | viyyer | private_morozov, ?? |
| 13:14.18 | private_morozov | nothing.. |
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| 13:16.06 | viyyer | any clues how I can fix this ? |
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| 13:16.22 | babilen | viyyer: Could you repaste it on a paster somewhere? (use pastebinit) There might be some people here that are not in #flood |
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| 13:16.56 | viyyer | babilen, ok |
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| 13:17.21 | viyyer | babilen, the whole console output into pastebinit? |
| 13:17.28 | jelly-home | private_morozov: were correct routes established on the client? Is ip_forward enabled on the server? |
| 13:17.52 | babilen | viyyer: Yes, why not? We will have all the information that *might* matter then. |
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| 13:18.51 | private_morozov | jelly-home: ip4.forward enabled, in iptables default action for FORWARD is ACCEPT, but i can't configure routes :/ |
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| 13:19.29 | babilen | private_morozov: Does it work with the firewall disabled? |
| 13:19.56 | jelly-home | private_morozov: on the client? Even manually? |
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| 13:22.06 | viyyer | http://pastebin.com/f650898a4 |
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| 13:23.23 | private_morozov | jelly-home: I do not know what routes use on client. Client get IP 10.100.200.1, gateway 10.100.200.1, and server 10.100.200.254 :) local network is 10.112.28.0 with 10.112.28.254 gateway :( i added route: 10.112.28.0 mask 255.255.255.0 10.100.200.254 but it not works :( and i can ping only external server ip :) |
| 13:23.38 | HackeMate | hello, how can list every hard disks i have? |
| 13:23.56 | viyyer | babilen, this one includes stderr as well http://pastebin.com/f232891e3 |
| 13:24.15 | babilen | viyyer: First: Why do you try to compile icu? |
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| 13:25.13 | private_morozov | babilen where? :) on client - firewall is disabled |
| 13:25.20 | viyyer | babilen, well my friend has developed a new devanagari font. including the new additions in the uicode standard |
| 13:25.59 | babilen | private_morozov: I mean on the gateway. Just for debugging purposes so we can remove that from the list of possible reasons. |
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| 13:26.06 | viyyer | and icu does not reflect this . so making changes in its unicode table to recognize the glyps and complete the right combinations |
| 13:26.12 | viyyer | babilen, ^^ |
| 13:26.42 | private_morozov | babilen in iptables all policies is ACCEPT |
| 13:26.43 | babilen | private_morozov: How do you configure the client? Statically? DHCP? What is the output of the route command on the server and client? |
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| 13:27.00 | muczy | bye |
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| 13:27.20 | babilen | private_morozov: OK, just wanted to make the search space smaller. |
| 13:28.11 | private_morozov | babilen client get static ip and output.. wait.. |
| 13:28.21 | babilen | viyyer: I can not really help you as I am not familiar with icu's build system. It might help to install libicu-dev and/or libicu40 before compiling that package, although that feels like a circular dependency |
| 13:28.22 | Codtv`Yuc | when i try to remove dhcp3-server i get this error http://nopaste.php-quake.net/258236 what should i do now? |
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| 13:28.48 | jelly-home | private_morozov: um... can you pastebin ifconfig -a and route -n from a client |
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| 13:29.47 | viyyer | babilen, I don't think my errors are related to that |
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| 13:30.16 | viyyer | babilen, I have done apt-get build-dep libicu38 |
| 13:30.30 | Codtv`Yuc | when i try to remove dhcp3-server i get this error http://nopaste.php-quake.net/258236 what should i do now? |
| 13:30.33 | viyyer | babilen, and all that jazz. it compiles well |
| 13:30.35 | private_morozov | jelly-home moment please.. |
| 13:31.17 | babilen | viyyer: Yes yes yes... sorry. I was confused about the "old version is.." |
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| 13:31.26 | viyyer | babilen, just complains about some changes.. even after deleting and doing apt-get source libicu38 and patching it again I get the same error |
| 13:31.32 | esteel | can someone tell me what i need to do to have gnome-shell right after login into gdm? |
| 13:31.40 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, did you try to reinstall the package ? |
| 13:31.56 | esteel | right now it just starts mutter but not gnome-shell |
| 13:31.56 | babilen | viyyer: The real problem is, that you changed the tarball and "cannot represent change to icu-4.0.1/icu_3.6-1.tar.gz: binary file contents changed" |
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| 13:32.13 | Codtv`Yuc | yes i did |
| 13:32.16 | Codtv`Yuc | its fails |
| 13:32.27 | jonen | Codtv`Yuc: maybe: touch /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server |
| 13:32.28 | Codtv`Yuc | it say |
| 13:32.32 | babilen | viyyer: You have to make a new orig-tarball and *then* make a new local debian file for that release. |
| 13:32.34 | Codtv`Yuc | i cant |
| 13:32.34 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, even the reinstall fails ? |
| 13:32.37 | Codtv`Yuc | no |
| 13:32.43 | Codtv`Yuc | apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 13:32.43 | Codtv`Yuc | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:32.44 | Codtv`Yuc | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 13:32.44 | Codtv`Yuc | dhcp3-server is already the newest version. |
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| 13:33.05 | Codtv`Yuc | the file in init.d dont exsist |
| 13:33.10 | Codtv`Yuc | that why i cant remove it |
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| 13:33.26 | babilen | viyyer: The build system sees that you modified the orig tar ball and the hashsums do not match. |
| 13:33.30 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, try to a reinstall not install |
| 13:33.51 | Codtv`Yuc | apt-get reinstall dhcp3-server |
| 13:33.51 | Codtv`Yuc | E: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 13:33.57 | babilen | viyyer: s/local debian file/local debian package |
| 13:34.34 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 13:34.49 | babilen | viyyer: I would suggest using the packages patch system (like quilt/dpatch) to incorporate your patches.. |
| 13:35.07 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:35.30 | Codtv`Yuc | one question |
| 13:35.31 | Codtv`Yuc | i get this |
| 13:35.34 | babilen | viyyer: Then "dch -lSOMESUFFIX" and describe your changes.... |
| 13:35.39 | Codtv`Yuc | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 13:35.39 | Codtv`Yuc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.39 | Codtv`Yuc | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
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| 13:35.50 | Codtv`Yuc | why is that? |
| 13:35.59 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, you can only say yes right :) |
| 13:36.06 | johni | Codtv`Yuc, ? |
| 13:36.07 | Codtv`Yuc | yeah:P |
| 13:36.10 | Codtv`Yuc | i get that |
| 13:36.23 | Codtv`Yuc | if i do apt-get --reinstall install dhcp3-server |
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| 13:36.34 | jelly-home | Codtv`Yuc: your mirror is broken (or compromised) or you're missing relevant gpg keys |
| 13:36.43 | IndyGunFreak | is there a netinstall cd, that gives Gnome, as opposed to KDE? |
| 13:37.10 | private_morozov | jelly-home, babilen: http://polo.pastebin.com/m9d77d05 |
| 13:37.12 | private_morozov | :) |
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| 13:38.00 | Codtv`Yuc | iget this http://nopaste.php-quake.net/258239 |
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| 13:39.17 | babilen | is afk. private_morozov, viyyer: Good luck :-) |
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| 13:39.50 | nixguy | i need rsync to list just the new directories in source |
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| 13:39.55 | private_morozov | babilen :) bye |
| 13:39.58 | nixguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.05 | nixguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.24 | Codtv`Yuc | rsync rocks:D |
| 13:41.00 | jelly-home | private_morozov: hum... your windows client has two default routes for some reason; also, shouldn't any new routes point to 10.100.200.254 instead of the peer's own ip? |
| 13:41.46 | Codtv`Yuc | pleas help me:$ |
| 13:42.03 | jelly-home | private_morozov: can you ping 10.100.200.254 from the client at this point? |
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| 13:42.25 | private_morozov | jelly-home no, only 195.x.x.x |
| 13:42.29 | Hyperi- | Codtv`Yuc: why without verification ? |
| 13:42.39 | private_morozov | jelly-home but from router i can ping client 10.100.200.1 |
| 13:42.42 | Codtv`Yuc | i dont know why i get that |
| 13:42.47 | Codtv`Yuc | i neve rhad it before |
| 13:42.57 | skysong | hello guys, i managed to install from the netinstall iso but im having quite a bit of trouble with my other hard disks.. none of them would mount :/ |
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| 13:43.10 | jelly-home | private_morozov: you'll need to fix the routes on the client side. |
| 13:43.13 | Hyperi- | skysong: errors ? |
| 13:43.29 | Hyperi- | Codtv`Yuc: Try to google around for apt-get configurations |
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| 13:44.06 | skysong | well, not if point to /media/Amaterasu (my mount pt), but the folder is empty. |
| 13:44.28 | private_morozov | jelly-home I it is necessary will every time prescribe routes for access to internal network? |
| 13:44.58 | skysong | if i mount it manually however, it works.. any help on the fstab thing? |
| 13:45.05 | Codtv`Yuc | i already did but my sources.list is correct |
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| 13:46.11 | XaeroOne_ | hi guys, I'm trying to get sound and video work on my debian lenny. I have a tv tuner from which I am getting sound and video both but I'm not able to get sound from mp3's. I see the timer running but now sound and no error. |
| 13:46.41 | jelly-home | private_morozov: I've no idea why they're assigned that way. |
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| 13:46.52 | Hyperi- | Codtv`Yuc: ze internet says you should do 'apt-get update' |
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| 13:46.56 | private_morozov | jelly-home :( |
| 13:47.04 | jelly-home | haven't meesed with pptpd or vpns in a long time |
| 13:47.25 | cahoot | XaeroOne: cat /proc/asound/cards - which one is card0 - the tuner? |
| 13:47.26 | XaeroOne | while trying to play video I get the error: error opening/initializing video_out (-vo) device |
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| 13:48.07 | Codtv`Yuc | can not somebody sent me the dhcp3-server from the /etc/init.d/ folder? |
| 13:48.13 | Codtv`Yuc | then i can fix it in a couple a minits |
| 13:48.22 | XaeroOne | cat /proc/asound/cards gives - CS4236B at 0x534, irq 5, dma 1&3 |
| 13:48.25 | private_morozov | jelly-home thx u for help :) |
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| 13:49.17 | XaeroOne | I don't see card0 anywhere, where should I be looking? |
| 13:49.48 | Hyperi- | Codtv`Yuc: not the solution |
| 13:49.54 | Hyperi- | Codtv`Yuc: did you do apt-get update |
| 13:50.00 | cahoot | XaeroOne: 0 at the beginning of the line? |
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| 13:51.43 | Codtv`Yuc | yeah |
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| 13:52.15 | Codtv`Yuc | if i do apt-get update |
| 13:52.17 | Codtv`Yuc | i get this |
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| 13:52.28 | Codtv`Yuc | http://nopaste.php-quake.net/258240 |
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| 13:56.06 | Hyperi- | You said your sources are valid |
| 13:56.36 | Hyperi- | non-us.debian.org doesn't exist |
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| 13:57.07 | jelly-home | Codtv`Yuc: two things: remove non-us lines; replace all mentions of "stable" with "lenny" |
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| 13:58.02 | jelly-home | Codtv`Yuc: else you'll get nasty surprises if you do an accidental safe-upgrade when squeeze is released |
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| 14:01.38 | Cybodog | I can't install Debian Sid, the install chokes on grub2 install: ncurses asks for confirmation of a command line passed to grub2. I take default (nothing inputed) then ncurses informs me there was an error installing grub. |
| 14:01.49 | Cybodog | is this a Sid bug? |
| 14:01.56 | azeem | Cybodog: it's not a lenny bug |
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| 14:02.07 | azeem | stating the obvious |
| 14:02.17 | azeem | Cybodog: if you are not interested in *fixing* bugs, you should not install sid |
| 14:02.20 | azeem | install lenny and upgrade |
| 14:02.51 | Cybodog | azeem I was thinking it was not a bug, but perhaps something I don't know about (like the command line option to pass) |
| 14:03.14 | private_morozov | jelly-home i added on client route: route -p add 10.112.28.0 mask 255.255.25 |
| 14:03.14 | private_morozov | 5.0 10.100.200.254 IF 0x80005 |
| 14:03.48 | private_morozov | where 0x80005 PPP iface.. and i can access to local network :) |
| 14:04.01 | jelly-home | yay |
| 14:04.16 | private_morozov | but :) how to do this automatically :) |
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| 14:04.43 | Cybodog | can you install grub2 to /boot and have an encrypted / ? that is my install usage. |
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| 14:05.01 | jelly-home | private_morozov: perhaps some pppd option on the server side |
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| 14:06.23 | private_morozov | ^.^ |
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| 14:07.57 | Codtv`Yuc | can somebody show me the dhcp3-server |
| 14:07.59 | Codtv`Yuc | from the init.d folder |
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| 14:08.57 | jelly-home | Codtv`Yuc: um... you aleady have a package in /var/cache/apt/archives/, get it there |
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| 14:09.05 | \amethyst | Codtv`Yuc: it's in package dhcp3-server; if you deleted it, reinstall it with confmiss |
| 14:09.07 | jelly-home | Codtv`Yuc: also /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:09.08 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 14:09.09 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:09.09 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 14:10.20 | Codtv`Yuc | so with this i can remove the dhcp3-server fromt he init.d folder |
| 14:10.22 | Codtv`Yuc | and get the new one |
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| 14:11.52 | XaeroOne | hey, I got disconnected. I might have missed a couple of lines |
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| 14:13.49 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:14.03 | hellyeah | i am trying to find gobjc-4.2 |
| 14:14.10 | hellyeah | i cannot find the source |
| 14:14.28 | hellyeah | are there someone who says to me the source address of that package |
| 14:14.53 | Codtv`Yuc | dpkg --force-confmiss reinstall dhcp3-server |
| 14:14.53 | Codtv`Yuc | dpkg: need an action option |
| 14:14.53 | dpkg | Codtv`Yuc: i don't know |
| 14:14.54 | dpkg | Codtv`Yuc: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 14:15.33 | \amethyst | Codtv`Yuc: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /path/to/dhcp3-server*.deb |
| 14:15.37 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 14:15.44 | \amethyst | hellyeah: apt-get source gobjc-4.2 if you want the debian source (source package gcc-4.2) |
| 14:15.46 | clamiax | hi |
| 14:15.48 | hellyeah | gcc-4.2: error trying to exec 'cc1obj': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 14:15.48 | hellyeah | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.57 | hellyeah | how can i solve that error |
| 14:16.40 | clamiax | I'm trying to dist-upgrade my Debian (testing). Though, after choosing the console layout (``Origin of the keyboard'') the package manager (apt-get or aptitude, no matter) acts like it was freezed |
| 14:16.48 | jelly-home | hellyeah: by installing the binary package containing cc1obj. Which debian release are you using? |
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| 14:17.11 | clamiax | it seems to look for several regex with grep (that's what I can see with ps(1)) but it never finish. I get the same results by trying to install the console-setup package. |
| 14:17.12 | hellyeah | stable |
| 14:17.17 | hellyeah | i am using stable |
| 14:17.21 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea on how to solve the problem? THX in advance. |
| 14:17.28 | hellyeah | what is binary package pf cclobj |
| 14:18.13 | \amethyst | hellyeah: it's in gobjc-4.2 |
| 14:18.22 | jelly-home | hellyeah: is gobjc-4.2 package installed? |
| 14:18.45 | jelly-home | if it's not, install it |
| 14:18.54 | hellyeah | yeah |
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| 14:20.21 | \amethyst | hellyeah: do you have the file /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.2/cc1obj ? |
| 14:20.27 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/11465 |
| 14:20.33 | hellyeah | just a second |
| 14:20.56 | \amethyst | hellyeah: (the "i486-linux-gnu" will be different on platforms other than i386, of course) |
| 14:21.01 | hellyeah | no iappearently i dont jave |
| 14:21.09 | hellyeah | sorry |
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| 14:21.37 | \amethyst | hellyeah: how are you checking whether gobjc-4.2 is installed? |
| 14:22.26 | hellyeah | with apt-cache show |
| 14:22.41 | \amethyst | hellyeah: that doesn't tell you whether it is installed |
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| 14:23.05 | \amethyst | hellyeah: dpkg -l gobjc-4.2 what are the first two letters? |
| 14:23.32 | jelly-home | un :-) |
| 14:23.46 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 14:23.47 | hellyeah | ,un |
| 14:23.53 | \amethyst | hellyeah: then it's not installed... install it |
| 14:24.00 | hellyeah | hmmö |
| 14:24.01 | clamiax | It seems to work with aptitude -f upgrade. |
| 14:24.12 | hellyeah | can i install from sourece |
| 14:24.20 | hellyeah | because i dont have root priviledges |
| 14:24.25 | hellyeah | it is not my system |
| 14:24.26 | jelly-home | hellyeah: you can |
| 14:24.30 | jelly-home | 't |
| 14:24.34 | hellyeah | where is the source |
| 14:24.38 | hellyeah | i didnt fid |
| 14:24.42 | hellyeah | find* |
| 14:24.44 | jelly-home | ask the admin to install it properly |
| 14:25.52 | hellyeah | my admin said you configure package from source. I need that not unfortunately i have a project i cant do that becauser of gobjc4.2 |
| 14:25.57 | jelly-home | building own piece of toolchain in a separate directory and making it work with what the system has is probably an interesting but nontrivial exercise, hellyeah |
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| 14:26.39 | jelly-home | it'll probably be simpler to build a whole separate gcc |
| 14:26.56 | hellyeah | i wish i have root priviledges :D |
| 14:27.15 | jelly-home | just tell the admin you need an additional piece of GCC |
| 14:27.30 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 14:27.35 | hellyeah | i emailed my need |
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| 14:28.08 | hellyeah | actually i want to use that command |
| 14:28.10 | Achmed | hey nerds come to #jeffdunham |
| 14:28.10 | hellyeah | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.25 | hellyeah | because i didnt like matlab |
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| 14:28.38 | hellyeah | i want to run .m file from terminal |
| 14:28.45 | Achmed | .......hey nerds listen to me |
| 14:28.47 | clamiax | No, same results :-( |
| 14:28.49 | Cybodog | Achmed why are you advertising for an IRC channel? I want to be in #debian |
| 14:28.52 | Achmed | go to #jeffdunham |
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| 14:29.08 | hellyeah | sorry :D |
| 14:29.13 | Cybodog | is NOT a nerd. |
| 14:29.31 | Achmed | shure u arent |
| 14:29.34 | Achmed | go to #jeffdunham |
| 14:29.36 | ultralazer | nerd's have money geeks are poor? |
| 14:29.43 | petemc | !ops Achmed spam |
| 14:29.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: petemc complains about: Achmed spam |
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| 14:29.45 | ultralazer | i mean nerds |
| 14:29.52 | Achmed | if u arent a nerd go to jeffdunham |
| 14:29.57 | XaeroOne | hey, I got disconnected so I missed some line if someone responeded. I however managed to get the video working but audio not working. |
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| 14:30.01 | hellyeah | what is nerd |
| 14:30.01 | hellyeah | :D |
| 14:30.09 | Achmed | #jeffdunham is for non-nerds |
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| 14:30.26 | Achmed | #jeffdunham is for non-nerds |
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| 14:30.49 | hellyeah | muhahahhahaha |
| 14:30.58 | hellyeah | i check my dictionary |
| 14:30.58 | hellyeah | :d |
| 14:31.01 | Cybodog | ok, I might be a nerd, but not his nerd |
| 14:31.26 | hellyeah | nerd |
| 14:31.27 | hellyeah | afmnamnsdfma |
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| 14:31.39 | Cybodog | hellyeah, geek, computer obsessed, book worm. |
| 14:31.54 | gumbox | W: GPG error: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38... how do i solve that? |
| 14:31.57 | hellyeah | actually i am turkish guy |
| 14:32.21 | hellyeah | nerd mean moron stupid people who does not have brain |
| 14:32.22 | hellyeah | :D |
| 14:32.35 | Cybodog | hellyeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd |
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| 14:34.35 | protect_morozov | wooohooo :) |
| 14:34.37 | protect_morozov | all works :) |
| 14:34.41 | danielle | To the point i have a wireless network connected to router [works fine] but when i connect wired [lan] the wifi stops but stays connected |
| 14:35.11 | Cybodog | danielle, what are you using to manage network connections? |
| 14:35.54 | Cybodog | errrr, rather danielle, try this, remove eth0 from network manager control, and see if it persists. |
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| 14:36.58 | Cybodog | danielle, I think I see the same behavior, but if I remove ethX from network manager control, then if I bring up ethX, I do not see it. |
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| 14:37.50 | clamiax | It's related to console-setup. I'm still investigating. |
| 14:38.06 | Cybodog | danielle, I can't test right now as I am installing to my laptop, but IIRC that should fix your issue. |
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| 14:39.12 | danielle | network-manager | was using wicd |
| 14:39.19 | icebrain | hi! I've built a lenny system with debootstrap, but now I'm getting an error on login: "Unable to determine your tty name". What could be the problem? |
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| 14:39.48 | Cybodog | danielle, I have not found a way to bring up two interfaces with wicd, remove ethX from wicd and controle it manually. |
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| 14:41.39 | danielle | sorry was using wicd i found that i can not run is aswell, so i reinstalled gnome-network-manager [default] so how do i remove it from eth0 from network manager [ |
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| 14:42.18 | bvk | hi, anybody faced -- bold fonts looking too bold -- issue? how do i fix it in .fonts.conf? |
| 14:42.35 | Cybodog | danielle, I can't tell you exactly, installing OS to my box: some one else will have to tell you. |
| 14:43.00 | Cybodog | this box is static with out nm. |
| 14:43.08 | danielle | brb google |
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| 14:44.55 | hellyeah | is there a way to convert pdf to doc |
| 14:45.46 | mesaGL | hellyeah: poppler-utils pdftotext |
| 14:46.37 | hellyeah | pdftotext |
| 14:46.46 | danielle | well it's not listed in etc/network/interfaces? so i cant remove it from there |
| 14:46.55 | hellyeah | do i have to install both or one of them |
| 14:47.36 | mesaGL | hellyeah: poppler-utils is the package containing pdftotext |
| 14:48.20 | danielle | would it be an idea to bridge the two connections? wired and wireless that way it should share the wireless internet over the lan connection rite? |
| 14:48.41 | Cybodog | danielle, most wirless can not be bridged (mine can btw) |
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| 14:48.49 | Xenguy | danielle: not sure I understand your issue well, but there's a 'udev' file that can be edited to control eth interfaces (e.g. persistant naming) |
| 14:49.53 | Cybodog | Xenguy danielle wants to have two interfaces up and working, one wireless one wired, this is handy to connect to an internel LAN and a WAN for example. I use that in a DC. |
| 14:50.01 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys if i start my dhcp server i get this |
| 14:50.12 | Codtv`Yuc | chown: invalid user: `dhcpd:dhcpd' |
| 14:50.26 | Codtv`Yuc | how should i fix that |
| 14:50.43 | Cybodog | Xenguy nm only likes to route through one interface and not allow you to connect to a 2nd network. |
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| 14:50.56 | danielle | ok more info. xenguy i'm trying to share my wireless connection [internet] to my wired connection [lan] but when i set ip in network manager i stops the wireless from working but it is still connected |
| 14:50.58 | sholl | hi all |
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| 14:51.26 | sholl | can someone give a hint how to use sqlite3 with php on lenny? I cannot find any related php-modules. |
| 14:51.33 | Xenguy | !70 |
| 14:51.34 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 14:51.41 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys if i start my dhcp server i get this |
| 14:51.44 | Codtv`Yuc | chown: invalid user: `dhcpd:dhcpd' |
| 14:51.46 | Codtv`Yuc | how should i fix that |
| 14:51.56 | Xenguy | danielle: again, a little over my head, so there's the info if it should prove useful |
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| 14:54.27 | Cybodog | danielle, I think I found something of use for you: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508383 see /etc/NetowrkManager/system-settings.conf |
| 14:55.06 | danielle | ccould it also be done with routing? |
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| 14:56.07 | gasull | Hi. I'm trying to download a torrent from debian.org using deluge. It starts very fast and then very soon I get the status error "Permission denied". What can it be? If I should ask this question somewhere else, please let me know. Thank you in advance. |
| 14:56.07 | Cybodog | danielle, don't know. Your box should *know* which network interface an IP is on, if you have to go through a gateway on eth0 then you will have to add a route I would think. |
| 14:57.13 | Cybodog | danielle, but the point is this, if you edit that file I showed above, you can take an interface out of control of nm and manually bring it up using the settings in interfaces (ie dhcp or static) |
| 14:57.27 | danielle | gasull wher are you downloading it to |
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| 14:57.45 | Cybodog | then danielle you should be able to bring up wireless (controlled by nm or wicd) and eth0 at the same time. |
| 14:58.27 | gasull | danielle: vfat partition |
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| 14:59.00 | Cybodog | danielle, and even if your wireless supported bridging, nm may not support bridging interfaces (dont' know if that is in nm yet or not and if you run stable, it is not) |
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| 14:59.24 | gasull | I think something is broken with Deluge, because I'm trying several torrents from different trackers and nothing works |
| 14:59.43 | gasull | It doesn't find any seeders nor peers |
| 14:59.46 | Cybodog | gaull, I think it is not. I think you have permission issues. |
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| 15:00.03 | Cybodog | gasull, how is the vfat mounted? |
| 15:00.40 | Cybodog | uses deluge in Fedora, Ubuntu, and Debian with no issues. |
| 15:00.47 | danielle | [main] |
| 15:00.47 | danielle | plugins=ifupdown,keyfile |
| 15:00.47 | danielle | no-auto-default=00:16:36:6c:3f:26, |
| 15:00.47 | danielle | [ifupdown] |
| 15:00.47 | danielle | managed=false |
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| 15:01.14 | Cybodog | oops |
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| 15:01.19 | gasull | Cybodog: /dev/mapper/sf-downloads /home/gasull/downloads vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8 0 0 |
| 15:01.21 | danielle | whoops |
| 15:01.28 | liable | yeah.. |
| 15:01.33 | Cybodog | yup, use pastebin.com danielle |
| 15:01.44 | gasull | "user" should be there, right? |
| 15:01.44 | danielle | ok sorry |
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| 15:02.29 | danielle | has no option to stop nm from controlling the eth0 interface |
| 15:02.31 | Cybodog | gasull yes but you prob need to set the mask |
| 15:02.41 | gasull | Cybodog: mask? |
| 15:03.18 | gasull | I just realize I can't write anything on that partition as a user |
| 15:03.31 | gasull | Cybodog: what is a mask? |
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| 15:04.17 | Cybodog | gasull, I don't remember the exact correct name, it sets the default file permissions for that dir/mount like 775, that would be a mask of 002 |
| 15:04.25 | themill | danielle: if you configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces, n-m will ignore the interface completely. |
| 15:04.38 | Cybodog | themill, good to know, I did not. |
| 15:04.41 | gasull | Cybodog: I see |
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| 15:04.50 | gasull | Cybodog: thank you |
| 15:04.50 | p0g0 | danielle: do you have two gateways? I suspect you have only one route to the internet (1 gateway), right? And a wireless Access Point that links you to that gateway? But when you cable the laptop (or whatever that you usually use the wireless connection for) your route changes and you use the LAN cable as the route to the gateway? |
| 15:05.09 | Cybodog | gasull also you could try to mount it with gid=$USERGID or uid=$USERID |
| 15:05.19 | themill | danielle: or are you using squeeze here? n-m behaves a little differently between lenny and squeeze. |
| 15:05.25 | gasull | Cybodog: isn't the "rw" in that line for that? |
| 15:06.08 | Cybodog | gasull, yes, but you don't have the correct permissions, so you don't have the correct syntax yet :) |
| 15:06.24 | danielle | no squeeze |
| 15:06.31 | themill | danielle: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 15:06.32 | Cybodog | I have to run, sorry I can't work it out to the fix danielle gasull |
| 15:06.38 | \amethyst | gasull: 'rw' by itself will make it writable by root |
| 15:06.43 | danielle | gasull try this ""mount -rw -o remount /partition-name |
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| 15:06.59 | gasull | Cybodog: thanks for your help so far |
| 15:07.14 | danielle | cybodog thankyou much apreciated |
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| 15:08.14 | Yehia | hello? |
| 15:08.25 | danielle | p0g0, yes but i want the wifi to stay on when the cable is pluged in |
| 15:08.29 | Cybodog | gasull, unmask=002 should also work |
| 15:08.37 | gasull | danielle: I still can't create any file as a non-priviledged user there |
| 15:08.38 | liable | p0g0: !! |
| 15:08.47 | Yehia | hey can someone help me, i have a physics problem i cannot solve |
| 15:08.55 | Yehia | anyone? please? |
| 15:09.00 | p0g0 | liable: yes, 'tis me... |
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| 15:09.02 | liable | Yehia: erm, wrong channel |
| 15:09.08 | Yehia | why? |
| 15:09.11 | d1b | Yehia: use the force! |
| 15:09.16 | liable | heh |
| 15:09.16 | danielle | did you tru and give your self more permissions in users and groups? |
| 15:09.28 | d1b | Yehia: join #physics / #maths |
| 15:09.29 | Cybodog | gasull \amethyst explained the default rw applies to root, you need a user permission, umask=002 or gid/uid=USERID will also work |
| 15:09.31 | Yehia | please i have a question about energy |
| 15:09.34 | p0g0 | danielle: themill's suggestion is likely good then. |
| 15:09.38 | d1b | Yehia: e = mc^2 |
| 15:09.44 | Yehia | no come on seriosuly |
| 15:09.44 | Cybodog | I have to run, good luck |
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| 15:09.48 | Yehia | can i just ask it? |
| 15:09.50 | d1b | and please do join one of the channels i suggested. |
| 15:09.51 | Yehia | please |
| 15:09.55 | d1b | ok. |
| 15:09.58 | liable | no |
| 15:10.04 | Yehia | ok so: |
| 15:10.07 | liable | emphatically |
| 15:10.07 | gigo | i have inserted the jacks of microphone+headphone in the correct pins. then I started gnome-sound-recorder and hit the record button. the level bar always shows 99% full and when I speak, nothing happens. when I play, i hear no sound. |
| 15:10.09 | d1b | liable: it might be about power consumption. |
| 15:10.13 | gigo | please help me to record. |
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| 15:10.20 | themill | Yehia: if this isn't debian related, please ask somewhere more appropriate |
| 15:10.36 | cahoot | gigo: capture enabled? |
| 15:10.48 | Yehia | a simple pendulum oscillates with an amplitude of 30 degrees. If the length of the string is 1 metre, calculate the velocity of the pendulum bob at its lowest pont |
| 15:10.55 | d1b | Yehia: ask it elsewhere. |
| 15:10.59 | Yehia | shut up |
| 15:11.01 | liable | !beat Yehia |
| 15:11.01 | dpkg | beats Yehia with a large stick. |
| 15:11.03 | ultralazer | If I create a .xinitrc for my user account will it be used? |
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| 15:11.13 | \amethyst | Yehia: /join #physics |
| 15:11.24 | \amethyst | Yehia: oops, ##physics |
| 15:11.31 | themill | Yehia: you've been silenced here because you insist on being off-topic. Please ask somewhere more appropriate. |
| 15:11.34 | liable | hmm, who is chanserv banning.. |
| 15:11.38 | \amethyst | Yehia: they might not like helping with homework, though |
| 15:11.46 | p0g0 | danielle: I'll guess that you have used the same network (ip address subrange) for botht eh wireless and wired nets- that's trouble unless you do some explicit routing. |
| 15:11.47 | ultralazer | gigo, did you set the capture option to microphone and unmute it / turn up volume? |
| 15:11.58 | liable | yes, you cheating pimply laxy bastard! |
| 15:12.00 | gigo | cahoot, where to set the capture enabled? |
| 15:12.08 | cahoot | in the mixer |
| 15:12.10 | gasull | Cybodog: Still same problem: /dev/mapper/sf-downloads /home/gasull/downloads vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8,umask=002 0 0 |
| 15:12.11 | ultralazer | yep |
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| 15:12.47 | gigo | i am using squeeze with gnome. i am unable to launch the mixer by left clicking or right clicking the volume icon. |
| 15:12.52 | \amethyst | gasull: what user/users do you want to be able to write to it? |
| 15:12.57 | gumbox | apt-get update is ending with: W: GPG error: http://ftp.br.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38... how do i solve that? |
| 15:13.07 | gasull | \amethyst: user gasull |
| 15:13.25 | \amethyst | gasull: then add uid=gasull in the options |
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| 15:13.41 | liable | badsig is a bug atm |
| 15:13.59 | liable | themill: can you add that to topic? badsig in update? |
| 15:14.07 | danielle | wlan on 192.168.2.2 [router being x.x2.1] wired lan on 10.0.0.1 [laptop] and 10.0.0.2 being [desktop] but when connected the wifi freezed traffic till wired lan disconnected |
| 15:14.15 | gigo | how do I go to the mixer and enable capture? |
| 15:14.17 | liable | been happening for a day now |
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| 15:14.23 | liable | \theres a bug for it.. |
| 15:14.34 | Cybodog | gasull you can also add gid=$SOMEGROUP to allow all users to write to it as well. Now, I really do have to run. Good luck. |
| 15:15.09 | gasull | Cybodog, \amethyst: It works now. Thank you so much |
| 15:15.40 | p0g0 | danielle: you cannot ping 192.168.2.1 when the wired LAN is connnected? Is the wireless interface (192.168.2.2) still up? |
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| 15:16.33 | gigo | could someone please tell me how to launch the sound mixer? |
| 15:16.44 | liable | alsamixer |
| 15:16.45 | danielle | no can not ping 192.168.2.1 or 192.168.2.2 but i can ping 10.0.0.1 <[being wired on laptop] |
| 15:17.12 | themill | liable: first I've heard of it -- is it just some mirrors? only squeeze? (I've not had any problems updating any machines) |
| 15:17.14 | danielle | pinging from 10.0.0.2 |
| 15:17.16 | gigo | oh, in Lenny, I could control the mixer by clicking on the sound icon. But now, i am not able to do so. why? |
| 15:17.24 | gigo | I am using Squeeze now. |
| 15:17.37 | liable | themill: seen it here and d-devel today and yesterday |
| 15:18.09 | themill | liable: it's not in /topic of #d-devel and that's where such things normally appear. |
| 15:18.17 | liable | themill: i havent updated my machines, so i cant say from personal experience |
| 15:18.23 | p0g0 | danielle: do you know the name of the wireless interface (wlan0, ath0, etc?)? As root, fram a console, try ifconfig -a and see if the wireless interface is still listed as UP. |
| 15:18.30 | p0g0 | *from |
| 15:18.43 | liable | themill: i know, but if you scorll back there, its mentioned. i'm surprised its not |
| 15:18.54 | danielle | it's funny everything works till the lan it connected then with out notice the wifi freezes even tho still connected it's like nm is choosing to only use lan instead of wlan |
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| 15:19.01 | danielle | wlan0 |
| 15:19.16 | danielle | it is |
| 15:19.24 | themill | liable: hmm.... It's not really sensible to put "something might be broken with some mirrors perhaps" in /topic though :S |
| 15:19.34 | p0g0 | danielle: I'd guess it has reset your default gateway, but you should still be able to ping the 192.168.2.1 . |
| 15:19.47 | liable | themill: understood. it is broken for some though.. |
| 15:19.49 | danielle | i know this i can not work out |
| 15:20.13 | themill | liable: if it makes you feel any better, no-one actually reads /topic anyway.... |
| 15:20.17 | danielle | it's like the laptop just does not want to talk wifi when wired lan is connected |
| 15:20.35 | p0g0 | danielle: are you familiar with the route or ip commands? |
| 15:20.36 | danielle | nm even says both are still connected |
| 15:20.40 | liable | themill: makes me feel better when a common thing i can point to though :) |
| 15:20.57 | liable | \/lastlog badkey |
| 15:21.01 | liable | bah |
| 15:21.02 | danielle | no really quick learner tho been using debian since 3.0 |
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| 15:21.33 | liable | meh, there is a bug open.. |
| 15:21.54 | themill | !dbugs 553533 |
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| 15:21.59 | dpkg | DONE:#553533:C[ftp.debian.org] debian-archive-keyring: squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org> (security); Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:39:02 UTC [] |
| 15:21.59 | p0g0 | danielle: the route command should show you the routing table-if you look at it before you connect the wired LAN, and again after, you should see some explicit changes in your routes. |
| 15:22.29 | themill | liable: apparently already fixed on master and will be all done in the next mirror push |
| 15:22.36 | liable | k |
| 15:22.36 | viyyer | thanks babilen |
| 15:22.46 | danielle | groovy term speeks :P |
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| 15:23.41 | babilen | viyyer: Did that work? |
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| 15:25.10 | danielle | brb plugging lan cable in |
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| 15:27.28 | danielle | am i dead? |
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| 15:27.36 | danielle | wait i live woot |
| 15:27.38 | p0g0 | danielle: not that one can tell |
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| 15:28.12 | danielle | ok here is the past bin http://pastebin.com/f70260232 |
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| 15:28.31 | danielle | it's wird that the network did not disconnect it just froze |
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| 15:29.36 | p0g0 | danielle: that's kinda FUBAR- n-m or something is createing way too many gateways. |
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| 15:30.58 | p0g0 | danielle: and creating a host route that is wrong: 192.168.2.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:31.18 | danielle | any ideas? it it a bug |
| 15:31.32 | danielle | cause it is not disconecting the net |
| 15:31.44 | p0g0 | danielle: I don't know why n-m is doing that, but themill's suggestion is the one to try. |
| 15:31.55 | danielle | just freezing the wifi |
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| 15:32.30 | danielle | nm debian EPIC FAIL! |
| 15:33.03 | p0g0 | danielle: " themill: danielle: if you configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces, n-m will ignore the interface completely." |
| 15:33.43 | danielle | yes but i could not find what to rite |
| 15:33.54 | p0g0 | danielle: it makes sense to me why it's failing, your routes are trash-but what is trashing them, I'd assume network (mis)manager. |
| 15:34.16 | themill | danielle: so it's not n-m's failure but yours.... n-m is designed to work in a limited number of very simple situations. Read the wiki... |
| 15:34.20 | danielle | or user error |
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| 15:35.20 | beardy | danielle: What networks are used for the ethernet lan, and the wifi? |
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| 15:36.57 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it safe to upgrade to libc6 2.10.1-3 ? |
| 15:37.28 | lord_rob | (not very according to apt-listbugs) |
| 15:37.58 | danielle | wifi on [192.168.2.1-router] [192.168.2.2-Laptop] wired lan on [10.0.0.1-same laptop] [10.0.0.2-desktop] |
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| 15:38.51 | p0g0 | danielle: read man interfaces |
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| 15:39.24 | soulchild | Hi all |
| 15:39.47 | danielle | beardy when lan not pluged in wifi on laptop work's fine, but when lan pluged in laptop wifi freezes and lan pc's can ping each other but not gateway |
| 15:40.15 | p0g0 | danielle: you'll need your resolver too- it's usually listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:40.28 | danielle | and routing is all correct iv written it on paper 50 times over to work it out |
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| 15:40.54 | willy | hy all |
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| 15:41.08 | beardy | danielle: What are you trying to accomplish? Is the desktop connected to something else? |
| 15:41.31 | willy | someone know install vnc on a debian 4.0 |
| 15:41.58 | p0g0 | danielle: you are wrong about the routing being correct- llok at your own paste for the 'after wired lan"- you have an explicit route for 192.168.2.1 going out your 10.0.0.x nic. |
| 15:42.12 | beardy | What p0g0 just said. |
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| 15:42.20 | soulchild | willy: yes |
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| 15:42.42 | soulchild | willy: what's your problem |
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| 15:43.34 | lord_rob | danielle: sorry if I say something that's already been said but have you tested network-assistant ? |
| 15:43.38 | danielle | it's changing everytime i re run route with the lan connected |
| 15:44.01 | lord_rob | erm network-manager |
| 15:44.07 | p0g0 | danielle: which is why themill's suggestion is the right one. |
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| 15:44.19 | beardy | And what was that? |
| 15:44.47 | p0g0 | beardy: to make explicit setups in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:45.08 | beardy | p0g0: Ok. Yes indeed. |
| 15:47.12 | beardy | danielle: Is the laptop and desktop connected to the access point/router/switch, or directly to each other? |
| 15:47.58 | danielle | laptop connected to router desktop connected to laptop |
| 15:48.28 | danielle | cant link into router all ports taken up |
| 15:48.35 | snthiueoa | I upgraded to Debian experimental, but normal users now can't connect to freenode using irssi - -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Cannot assign requested address: 208.67.216.132] |
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| 15:48.51 | snthiueoa | er, I upgraded to Debian Sid |
| 15:50.22 | et | !sid upgrade |
| 15:50.23 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 15:51.42 | p0g0 | starts to repeat "Sid is NOT AN..." then realizes he's running Sid |
| 15:51.55 | rvalles | sid's a daily upgrade |
| 15:51.57 | rvalles | or hourly |
| 15:51.59 | d1b | p0g0: sid isn't an upgrade is a way of breaky! |
| 15:52.00 | rvalles | or whatever you make it |
| 15:52.04 | rvalles | sid is fun. |
| 15:52.21 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 15:52.21 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
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| 15:54.06 | d1b | sid is evil, like the boy next door who breaks his toys |
| 15:54.51 | p0g0 | d1b: you might like sidux...but it's kinda like pulling your own wings off for the fun of it. |
| 15:55.13 | d1b | p0g0: dude. if i wanted to run sid i would. |
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| 15:55.57 | d1b | i have done so in the past. just not on my main machines. |
| 15:56.16 | ix | How does update-initramfs decide whether or not crypsetup is to be part of an initrd? I can't seem to get it to run, but when I modprobe dm-crypt and do cryptsetup manually it works like a charm. |
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| 15:57.00 | danielle | all i wanted to do was share the wifi net with the lan [curses debian] |
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| 15:57.00 | snthiueoa | ok. I switched to Sid (mainly because the GHC packages in testing were too old), but nonroot users can't connect to freenode using irssi anymore; it fail with the error "-!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Cannot assign requested address: 208.67.216.132]" |
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| 15:58.44 | ix | And this is the correct IP address for the IRC server? And are they able to ping it from the command line? |
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| 15:59.12 | antii | In witch file do I add crons if I want to run after like 10 minutes? |
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| 15:59.15 | snthiueoa | ix: they can ping both the IP address and the name, but remember that ping is setUID |
| 15:59.15 | EugenMayer | hello. When I use find to search fo directories like /mnt/foo and /mnt with : find /mnt/ -type -d .. the result will include "/mnt/" ... is there a way to remove this? |
| 15:59.16 | pipeline | sid is almost never seriously broken |
| 15:59.18 | pipeline | you people are wusses |
| 15:59.32 | pipeline | you just have to be intimately familiar with dpkg and apt's innards to use it, no big deal |
| 15:59.34 | ix | snthiueoa: Yeah, I forgot. Hmm... |
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| 16:00.05 | p0g0 | danielle: for what it's worth, the 802.11 specs don't support bridging as you know it (it's not debian's fault)- that is to say that wireless packets don't carry all the required fields to support 'normal' bridging |
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| 16:01.03 | p0g0 | danielle: you'll need to understand more about routing, I think, as you'll need to set routes on both the laptop and the Access Point to do what you are trying to do. |
| 16:01.07 | antii | anyone? |
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| 16:02.01 | beardy | antii: You use at(1) to run something once ten minutes from now. 'man at'. |
| 16:03.00 | snthiueoa | ix: although the same nonroot users can use elinks and iceweasel |
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| 16:03.11 | danielle | well i have now got it to ping both the laptops it's x.x.2.2 and x.x.0.1 but not the router at x.x.2.1 |
| 16:03.16 | beardy | antii: 'at now+10min' dosomething [Enter]. Then run 'atq' to see it in the queue. |
| 16:04.06 | danielle | both laptops ip's i ment |
| 16:04.15 | Wyzard | p0g0: 802.11-to-ethernet bridge devices can be bought in stores |
| 16:04.30 | beardy | antii: Though if you meant something else, really using cron, use your users crontab. 'crontab -e'. 'man 1 crontab', 'man 5 crontab'. |
| 16:04.31 | p0g0 | Wyzard: yeah, but they cheat. |
| 16:05.01 | p0g0 | Wyzard: look at how openwrt does it, for example, it's out of 802.11 spec, but it works fine. |
| 16:05.24 | Wyzard | p0g0: I have my WRT54GL (running OpenWRT) configured to act as a bridge instead of a router and it works fine |
| 16:06.00 | Wyzard | What's cheating about them? |
| 16:06.10 | p0g0 | Wyzard: no arguement. It's a non-standard way of bridging. |
| 16:06.49 | willy | someone know how i can install plesk? |
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| 16:07.14 | xand | !plesk |
| 16:07.14 | dpkg | plesk is probably Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:09.58 | Wyzard | p0g0: I'm curious what you mean about there being something non-standard involved in bridging 802.11 to wired networks... if I capture traffic on my wireless card with wireshark, I see valid Ethernet frames with source and destination MAC addresses; what's unusual about repeating those? |
| 16:10.49 | p0g0 | Wyzard: viz http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/WirelessBridging, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Bridge#I_still_don.27t_understand.21.21 for starters. |
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| 16:12.01 | p0g0 | Wyzard: and specific to danielle, "Station Mode client-bridge (ath0-eth0) doesn't work: A STA mode interface can only send using one MAC address. " |
| 16:12.50 | p0g0 | that's from the first URL I listed. |
| 16:13.07 | Wyzard | p0g0: ah, I see that on the page but I missed the initial context that that's what she was trying to do |
| 16:13.19 | Wyzard | p0g0: but that doesn't apply to something like OpenWRT running on the AP |
| 16:14.33 | p0g0 | Wyzard: sure it does, they just have shimmed in some WDS-like headers, and those are not 802.11 spec... |
| 16:14.33 | Wyzard | p0g0: I guess when you mentioned OpenWRT you were thinking of using it as a client to associate to an existing AP and bridging that |
| 16:15.26 | Wyzard | AP mode and STA mode are two different things |
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| 16:15.51 | p0g0 | Wyzard: no, I was making the point that danielle is not going to get to bridge in the 'usual' manner, and that strict routing would work, but would take understanding that the AP and the laptop need routing instructions. |
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| 16:16.32 | ONE_PATE | hey |
| 16:16.43 | ONE_PATE | linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 does it run with Pentium 1 |
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| 16:17.03 | Wyzard | I don't think there's anything unusual about bridging between an access point and a wireless network, but I'm not surprised if bridging between a wireless client and a wired network is generally unsupport (I've run into that myself, though I thought it was specific to my wireless card) |
| 16:17.18 | Wyzard | ONE_PATE: It should, since that's newer than a 486 |
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| 16:18.31 | p0g0 | Wyzard: if you are interested, read up on what WDS does, in terms of packet headers. |
| 16:18.57 | \amethyst | it should even include the fix for the f00f bug |
| 16:19.16 | ONE_PATE | ok Wyzard but why i catn find 2.4er kernels in apt-cache search linuximage |
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| 16:19.26 | ONE_PATE | have added many repositorys |
| 16:19.36 | ONE_PATE | but now one have 2.4 kernel!? |
| 16:19.38 | Wyzard | ONE_PATE: 2.4 kernels are no longer supported in current versions of Debian |
| 16:19.54 | ONE_PATE | ahhhhmmm |
| 16:20.01 | ONE_PATE | in ethc it is suported? |
| 16:20.04 | ONE_PATE | etch |
| 16:20.06 | \amethyst | no |
| 16:20.11 | \amethyst | I thing it was in sarge |
| 16:20.14 | ONE_PATE | hmmm |
| 16:20.24 | ONE_PATE | because have q pentium 1, 133mhz and 16mb ram |
| 16:20.30 | ONE_PATE | does run lenny on it |
| 16:20.35 | ONE_PATE | with 2.6 kernel |
| 16:20.43 | \amethyst | hmm... it should be possible to run Lenny without a GUI, but memory will be tight |
| 16:21.02 | macrobat | i'd like to use dmenu to launch apps. how can i generate (or where is) a list of executables to feed to dmenu? |
| 16:21.11 | Wyzard | You might want to compile a custom stripped-down kernel for that |
| 16:21.16 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 16:21.22 | \amethyst | or consider a stripped-down distribution |
| 16:21.27 | Wyzard | but 2.6 will run |
| 16:21.28 | \amethyst | DSL etc |
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| 16:21.46 | ONE_PATE | \amethyst: ys need only comand line |
| 16:22.03 | ONE_PATE | whats a striped down distribution |
| 16:22.06 | ONE_PATE | hmm |
| 16:22.10 | \amethyst | !DSL |
| 16:22.11 | dpkg | hmm... dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 16:22.12 | ONE_PATE | cant installl.. |
| 16:22.35 | ONE_PATE | bcs notebook hasnt any device cd or floppy |
| 16:22.37 | ONE_PATE | or network |
| 16:22.48 | ONE_PATE | and debian i have instaleld with debootstrap |
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| 16:23.21 | tomi | hi |
| 16:23.56 | tomi | why ruby is link to ruby1.8 not to 1.9? |
| 16:24.09 | tomi | on squeeze |
| 16:24.09 | tomi | ? |
| 16:24.13 | xoz | tomi: just change the link if you want |
| 16:24.19 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: 16M of RAM is not enough to run any modern UNIX well. Debian with a custom kernel might boot. But it won't be pretty. |
| 16:24.31 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: 16M of RAM hasn't been enough since circa 1988. |
| 16:24.37 | tomi | ok, but why is that. What is the reason ? |
| 16:24.41 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: Windows was always much more miserly with memory |
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| 16:24.53 | xoz | tomi: or remove 1.8 to force it to use 1.9 |
| 16:24.54 | Wyzard | p0g0: Sounds to me like client-side bridging doesn't require non-standard tricks, it just requires support for WDS, which was designed for exactly that |
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| 16:25.37 | xoz | tomi: because 1.9 is newer and most of the existing packages that depend on ruby used 1.8 before. |
| 16:26.09 | tomi | but in repo is version 1.9 of all pakages |
| 16:26.33 | ONE_PATE | pipeline: i dont need a modern unix |
| 16:26.39 | tomi | and if i want to remove 1.8 system want to remove ruby too |
| 16:26.59 | xoz | tomi: just change the link. |
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| 16:27.05 | ONE_PATE | i need a linux with a shell, some programs like irssi, mpd and w3m |
| 16:27.09 | ONE_PATE | i dont need more |
| 16:27.21 | ONE_PATE | but havnt found the right distribution yet |
| 16:27.23 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: yeah... that may be possible... one at a time.. .with constant swapping. |
| 16:27.27 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: it's just not practical |
| 16:27.31 | superlinux | hi guys. I am trying to apply what is mentioned in http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/x-forward/ . however, i cannot get it to work. My laptop is ubuntu and my server is debian. |
| 16:27.38 | xoz | tomi: you can install 1.9 i think and should not affect the 1.8 if you want to remove it |
| 16:27.39 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: like I said, by the time that hardware was manufactured, it was already too crippled to run UNIX well. |
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| 16:27.54 | ONE_PATE | pipeline: hehe ok^^ |
| 16:28.02 | ONE_PATE | but win98 rusn well on it :-) |
| 16:28.03 | tomi | xoz: what with the other links (gems irb etc?) |
| 16:28.18 | xoz | tomi: change that links too |
| 16:28.25 | xoz | tomi: or just use one version |
| 16:28.31 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: windows 98 is very, very, very memory-miserly. UNIX isn't :) |
| 16:28.36 | xoz | tomi: install just one version i mean |
| 16:28.43 | Wyzard | superlinux: Doing X forwarding that way is insecure, and especially silly when connecting to the remote machine with ssh because ssh has built-in support for tunneling X through the encrypted connection |
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| 16:28.49 | Wyzard | superlinux: ssh -X remotehost |
| 16:28.51 | tomi | ok, i will try |
| 16:28.51 | Wyzard | superlinux: xterm |
| 16:28.53 | tomi | thanks |
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| 16:29.04 | ONE_PATE | pipeline: hehe |
| 16:29.06 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: you could try the i386 NetBSD port. Hardware sucks, but it will probably boot. |
| 16:29.13 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: NetBSD is very similar to 1988 UNIX :) |
| 16:29.28 | ONE_PATE | hm waht about freebsd?? |
| 16:29.33 | superlinux | Wyzard, I dont want the security things. it's just at my home. |
| 16:29.34 | mjt | what's "1988 UNIX" ? |
| 16:29.39 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: not a chance without a custom kernel and a lot of time wasted |
| 16:29.48 | pipeline | mjt: hilariously primitive; 44bsd maybe :P |
| 16:29.49 | Wyzard | superlinux: Just use ssh -X |
| 16:29.52 | xoz | superlinux: make sure your ssh server allows x forwarding. |
| 16:29.59 | superlinux | ok |
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| 16:30.10 | xoz | superlinux: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:30.13 | Wyzard | superlinux: Not only is it secure, it's also straightforward and convenient |
| 16:30.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 16:30.21 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: you have 16M of RAM, dude. Too bad uClinux doesn't have an i386 PC port :) |
| 16:30.31 | Wyzard | xoz: That's the default, isn't it? |
| 16:30.36 | ONE_PATE | pipeline: do you have a link or tutorial for netbsd i386 port |
| 16:30.43 | pipeline | ONE_PATE: no. |
| 16:30.50 | ONE_PATE | kk |
| 16:31.37 | pipeline | 16M of RAM just isn't enough for a non-embedded system |
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| 16:32.02 | xoz | Wyzard: im not sure |
| 16:32.09 | xoz | !ssh x11 forwarding |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 16:33.32 | ONE_PATE | pipeline: OK BSD sounds cool, i wil try it after debian |
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| 16:35.43 | ONE_PATE | eyxit |
| 16:36.12 | pipeline | it's not cool at all, but not cool is what you're stuck with in 16M of RAM |
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| 16:40.18 | becky | good evening :) |
| 16:40.40 | webmasteroy | ;) |
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| 16:43.58 | Wyzard | p0g0: Actually, with some further reading, it sounds like 4-address header support is a driver/card-level feature that's independent of WDS and provides the actual bridging capability, and WDS is a higher-level protocol implemented at the OS level, and just handles keeping track of multiple wireless peers that frames should be sent to |
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| 16:45.18 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:47.05 | p0g0 | Wyzard: WDS is an AP spec, not a STA. |
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| 16:50.21 | Wyzard | p0g0: but 4-address frames are an 802.11 frame type which just happen to be used by WDS |
| 16:50.47 | Newbie16 | quick question, can you move a 64bit install on an amd machine to an intel machine with 64bit support? |
| 16:50.53 | Newbie16 | C2D |
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| 16:51.23 | azeem_ | Newbie16: to a x86-64 Intel, yes |
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| 16:51.33 | Newbie16 | any cpu specific config that i need to take care of before trying to boot in the intel system? |
| 16:51.35 | Wyzard | Newbie16: yes, AMD64 and Intel 64 are the same ISA (which Debian calls "amd64") so they run the same software |
| 16:51.37 | azeem | no |
| 16:51.43 | p0g0 | Wyzard: I'm done. |
| 16:51.44 | Newbie16 | oh good, thanks |
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| 16:55.41 | willy | someone know how install plesk on debian 4.0 |
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| 16:56.05 | Cybodog | wily IIRC debian is NOT a supported OS for plesk |
| 16:56.25 | hark | willy: try ##plesk |
| 16:56.39 | tecneeq | it should be |
| 16:56.47 | tecneeq | i'm just sayin |
| 16:56.49 | willy | ok thk :) and now how i install a vnc on a debian? |
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| 16:56.57 | stone | hi evrybody |
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| 16:57.16 | Newbie16 | hi |
| 16:57.27 | stone | does someone of you have expieriences with uhub? |
| 16:57.30 | jelly-home | willy: why do you need vnc? Remote access is usually established using ssh. |
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| 16:57.39 | stone | or other adc supporting hubs? |
| 16:58.28 | tecneeq | willy: there are lots of vnc viewers and servers. i use tightvnc for it works with every major OS |
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| 16:59.03 | stone | does someone has expieriences with direct connect hubs??? |
| 16:59.18 | Cybodog | willy, see here, you can install plesk on debian: http://download1.parallels.com/Plesk/PPP9/Doc/en-US/plesk-9.2-unix-installation-guide/ ask no more here about plesk |
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| 17:00.13 | Cybodog | willy I googled "install plesk guide" |
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| 17:00.28 | macrobat | how do i change the tty font? |
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| 17:02.24 | cafaro | Hi my system seems to be rather slow when connecting to a server (ssh, wget, apt-get, internet browsing, you name it), I managed to fix this for iceweasel, by setting network.dns.disableIPv6 to true, how can i fix this? (I think i have to disable checking for ipv6 somewhere..?) |
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| 17:04.25 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: You could probably prove whether DNS/IPV6 was involved by trying a connection to the IP address instead of a hostname. |
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| 17:05.19 | julianoliver | can anyone reccommend a file browser (like that of Nautilus) which provides graphic previews of images yet which doesn't depend on a Desktop Environment? i don't have a ~/Desktop as such, preferring a light window manager. |
| 17:05.34 | icebrain | thunar |
| 17:05.58 | tecneeq | konqueror |
| 17:06.01 | tecneeq | can be light |
| 17:06.10 | Cybodog | dolphin |
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| 17:06.30 | tecneeq | how about mc in a shell? |
| 17:06.36 | tecneeq | quite retro :) |
| 17:06.37 | julianoliver | icebrain: tecneeq do neither of these depend on a external DE dependent daemons or the like? will they attempt to create a heap of dotfiles etc? |
| 17:06.38 | Cybodog | no preview of thumbs |
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| 17:06.50 | maxagaz | hi |
| 17:06.54 | tecneeq | julianoliver: yes, they will, except mc |
| 17:06.58 | julianoliver | tecneeq: yes, i used MC for several years. it has no image preview however. |
| 17:07.16 | Cybodog | what is wrong with a dot file? |
| 17:07.20 | tecneeq | julianoliver: well, then you are doomed. sorry :) |
| 17:07.23 | Cybodog | dot files do not dep on a DE |
| 17:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: http://www.karkomaonline.com/index.php/2009/04/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-debian/ |
| 17:07.35 | macrobat | the imageviewer geeqie does thumbs and it can delete and rename files :) |
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| 17:08.04 | icebrain | julianoliver: thunar doesn't depend on a DE |
| 17:08.20 | julianoliver | icebrain: great, i'll give this a go. |
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| 17:08.33 | icebrain | julianoliver: but possibly creates dot files, don't know about that |
| 17:08.39 | Cybodog | it does |
| 17:08.53 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: thanks :) |
| 17:08.56 | Cybodog | but bash makes a dot file |
| 17:09.07 | macrobat | you can zoom (thumbnails) in thunar with ctrl + scrollwheel |
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| 17:09.21 | maxagaz | how to capture packets sent and received by amule with tcpdump, I tried "tcpdump port 4662" but nothing is captured although it's the port amule is listening, and i can see in amule that datas are being transfered |
| 17:09.30 | julianoliver | icebrain: dotfiles aren't really an issue, i'd just rather have as few .gnome* .kde* .xfce etc as possible. |
| 17:09.45 | julianoliver | maxagaz: see tcpdump filters |
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| 17:10.13 | julianoliver | maxagaz: also you need a -w argument. |
| 17:10.30 | tecneeq | julianoliver: it's your thing i guess, but why ignore the good stuff just because it's gnome/kde? |
| 17:10.40 | julianoliver | maxagaz: run 'netstat -tupa' to be sure amule is on that port. |
| 17:10.51 | tecneeq | julianoliver: just buy yourself some more ram and forget about it ;) |
| 17:11.16 | gigo | firmware-iwlwifi is not installed on my Squeeze. But modinfo iwl3945 gives output. How? |
| 17:11.37 | cahoot | two different things |
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| 17:12.22 | julianoliver | tecneeq: i don't like Desktop environments, desktop metaphors, icons or panels etc. i haven't used them on my personal machines for many years. i don't plan to change that any time soon. anyway, it's my preference. |
| 17:12.56 | julianoliver | (i also work on machines that are very underpowered, in the embedded space, for instance) |
| 17:12.56 | tecneeq | julianoliver: then you are still domed. DOOOOMED! ;) |
| 17:13.04 | M06w | anybody think they're capable of walking me through logging in without a monitor? |
| 17:13.28 | Cybodog | M06w ssh |
| 17:13.29 | maxagaz | julianoliver, netstat -tlnp shows that amule is listening on port 4662, but your options shows that amule uses much more ports, I don't understand why |
| 17:13.36 | M06w | Cybodog, don't have it |
| 17:13.37 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Two debian servers, one has most of the net-pf-* entries in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases commented out, the other has them active. |
| 17:14.00 | Cybodog | M06w get it? |
| 17:14.13 | julianoliver | tecneeq: i think we have very different ideas regarding 'doom' ;) |
| 17:14.14 | M06w | I will once I'm logged in and the vnc boots up |
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| 17:14.26 | gigo | cahoot, how can i check whether the module is loaded or not? |
| 17:14.30 | Cybodog | supposed you culd log on with a serial port, but you still NEED some sort of monitor |
| 17:14.34 | tecneeq | julianoliver: probably |
| 17:14.40 | Cybodog | I mean how do you use a computer with out an output? |
| 17:14.50 | M06w | I aughta be able to do it blind, I just need the process |
| 17:14.51 | gigo | and so I do not need to install firmware-iwlwifi or do I need to install it to access WiFi? I have Intel 3925 card. |
| 17:14.51 | maxagaz | julianoliver, if amule is using many and any port, how can i set a rule in iptables to make it send its packets from a given NIC ? |
| 17:15.03 | cahoot | gigo: you need both |
| 17:15.19 | gigo | ok, so iwl3945 comes with the kernel? |
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| 17:15.43 | Cybodog | M06w, how are you accessing the said box with out a monitor? |
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| 17:15.48 | M06w | keyboard |
| 17:16.05 | cahoot | gigo: with modern kernels yes |
| 17:16.08 | Cybodog | m06w how do you know what prompt you are at? |
| 17:16.19 | Cybodog | can someone tell me how to drive with out eyes? |
| 17:16.24 | M06w | I don't, but I'm assuming after three weeks it goes back to the start |
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| 17:16.50 | I-Hop | i'm having a some trouble assigning debian a static ipaddress, i'm using the latest version. And i've got two lan ports. |
| 17:17.12 | I-Hop | I can set it via the Network settings..but when i close it it'll go back to roaming |
| 17:17.16 | M06w | but if I knew what order things are going in I should be able to just assume where I am with some accuracy |
| 17:17.36 | M06w | also Cybodog, mythbusters did the driving blind thing and it worked pretty well |
| 17:17.45 | abrotman | I-Hop: man interfaces |
| 17:17.53 | Cybodog | no M06w they had someone with eyes |
| 17:18.02 | Cybodog | you have no eyes at all |
| 17:18.08 | M06w | I have your eyes |
| 17:18.11 | abrotman | M06w: can't you ssh in and do the steps that way ? |
| 17:18.16 | Cybodog | log on is simple, type username and password |
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| 17:18.32 | M06w | isn't there a thing before that? |
| 17:18.35 | Cybodog | no M06w I can't see your screen |
| 17:18.47 | M06w | it's just the normal debian login screen |
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| 17:19.09 | Cybodog | tell me how to drive to my local store by going step by step on how to get to YOUR local store. |
| 17:19.15 | Ballistic | hehey guys |
| 17:19.16 | abrotman | M06w: you're being very vague |
| 17:19.27 | Cybodog | M06w, normal is what way? cli, gui, grub? |
| 17:19.28 | Ballistic | im trying to install the catalist 9.10 driver but im hitting a bump |
| 17:19.33 | M06w | gui |
| 17:20.01 | Ballistic | i am doing: sh ati-driver-installblablablla.run --buildpkg Debian/lenny |
| 17:20.04 | Cybodog | M06w, move the mouse, highlight the space for username input, type in username, then provide password when prompted. |
| 17:20.17 | M06w | can I tab to that? |
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| 17:20.28 | abrotman | it should default the cursor to the username box |
| 17:20.29 | Cybodog | sure, tab until username is selected. |
| 17:20.37 | Cybodog | is should abrotman |
| 17:20.41 | M06w | which should be 1 tab right |
| 17:20.58 | abrotman | it depends which GUI login you're using |
| 17:21.02 | I-Hop | yeah, i don't exactly know what i'm looking for in the man. |
| 17:21.03 | Cybodog | but this entire exercise is silly, what will you do at the gui log in after you log on? No monitor |
| 17:21.05 | gigo | I have installed firmware-iwlwifi. Now, what should I do? I am using Squeeze. modinfo iwl3945 is giving a huge output. |
| 17:21.08 | M06w | the one that debian comes with |
| 17:21.17 | I-Hop | because i've followed the static part of it, and its still not working :/ |
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| 17:21.20 | Ballistic | and then im getting: failure: could not find library libXrandr.so.2 needed by debian/glrx-driver/usr/bin/aticonfig |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | M06w: type username, hit enter, type password, hit enter |
| 17:21.26 | M06w | once I log in the vnc will start working and I can access the machine remotely |
| 17:21.32 | abrotman | I-Hop: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 17:21.36 | cahoot | gigo: modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945; dmesg |
| 17:21.45 | Cybodog | M06w, then aptitude install ssh |
| 17:21.45 | abrotman | Ballistic: how did you install X ? |
| 17:21.57 | Ballistic | abrotman: i didnt |
| 17:22.02 | wootR_ | uhm, how can i check howmuch kbps are currently going in and out? |
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| 17:22.14 | abrotman | Ballistic: so you're installing fglrx without X ? |
| 17:22.17 | I-Hop | let me try again so i can give the error |
| 17:22.18 | abrotman | wootR_: jnettop |
| 17:22.18 | Ballistic | yes |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | wootR_: or iftop |
| 17:22.24 | Cybodog | has to admit M06w does make sense after all. |
| 17:22.27 | I-Hop | still hasn't ruled out a problem with his router |
| 17:22.40 | abrotman | Cybodog: if you don't want to help him, just keep quiet |
| 17:22.44 | Ballistic | abrotman: this should be possable right? |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | Ballistic: aptitude install xorg .. then install the fgrlx |
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| 17:23.32 | gigo | cahoot, I got this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m45784fdc |
| 17:23.36 | Ballistic | ok trying |
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| 17:24.17 | M06w | I hate moving CRTs |
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| 17:24.28 | Ballistic | move them out of the window :) |
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| 17:25.09 | cahoot | gigo: no comments on firmware a bit earlier in dmesg? |
| 17:25.36 | gigo | cahoot, and then I did /etc/init.d/network-manager restart, i got this in dmesg: [70309.166854] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 17:25.38 | Ballistic | hugs abrotman |
| 17:25.44 | Ballistic | thanks man, i got packages now.. |
| 17:25.55 | Ballistic | buttuh.. i got 5 of them, should i install them all? |
| 17:26.07 | Ballistic | 4 i mean |
| 17:26.48 | gigo | cahoot, now I did ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 17:26.59 | gigo | and now I get the option to connect to the WLAN in the network icon on gnome. |
| 17:27.05 | cahoot | gigo: using gnome? |
| 17:27.08 | gigo | yes |
| 17:27.20 | gigo | do I have to ifconfig wlan0 up every time? Can't network-manager handle it by itself every time as it does for eth1 ? |
| 17:27.37 | cahoot | gigo: ok if you failt connect I'd say you try wicd |
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| 17:27.41 | Ballistic | i am getting error on all the packages :/ |
| 17:28.16 | Cybodog | I highly recommend wicd. for me it just works *YMMV* |
| 17:28.46 | Ballistic | ffs |
| 17:29.05 | icebrain | Cybodog: x2 |
| 17:29.20 | Cybodog | knows not x2 |
| 17:29.26 | M06w | Mallistic, as I'm below ground, that would be very difficult |
| 17:29.34 | M06w | B |
| 17:29.41 | Cybodog | oh, times 2, I get it. |
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| 17:30.10 | icebrain | Cybodog: I meant "me too" :) |
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| 17:30.22 | Cybodog | icebrain, took me a sec, but I got it. |
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| 17:31.06 | I-Hop | like always it was a syntax problem, thanks guys. |
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| 17:33.08 | maxagaz | how to capture all packets for and from amule with tcpdump ? |
| 17:33.24 | gigo | I tried ifconfig wlan0 up as well as modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945. I always get this message in the end of dmesg: [70727.150003] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 17:33.26 | Cybodog | M06w, did you log on three weeks ago and walk away from that box? |
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| 17:34.20 | Cybodog | M06w, if so, it did not "reset" as you suppose but rather if it is set to bring up gnome GUI, it is at a screen saver locked screen (defualt debain behavior) |
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| 17:34.58 | Cybodog | M06w, if that is so, then you need to hit the space bar to bring up the password screen and just type in your password |
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| 17:36.16 | Cybodog | m06w baring that, ctrl-alt-F2 type in your username, enter, type in your password, enter, su enter, type in root password, enter /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 17:36.40 | Cybodog | M06w, wait a few sec, type in username enter, type in password enter |
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| 17:48.43 | keith4_ | I just did a SSB of a package. apt suggests that it's not needed, and can be removed with auto-remove. how do I stop this from happening? |
| 17:49.41 | themill | keith4_: installing with "dpkg -i" shouldn't do that, but "/msg dpkg unmarkauto" |
| 17:50.05 | little_owl | Are tools like tar, gzip etc. written in way, that they can use more cores? I mean do they use something like OpenMP or more threads? |
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| 17:52.14 | abrotman | little_owl: i don't think either of those do that |
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| 17:54.05 | little_owl | abrotman: it is a bit sad .... :-/ |
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| 17:56.34 | keith4_ | themill, yah, it's weird. i backport roundcube, which includes 3 or 4 packages. none of the others do that, just roundcube-core |
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| 17:58.11 | gigo | why is the ethernet network name eth1 on my system? can I change it to eth0? I am using network manager of gnome. |
| 17:58.44 | keith4_ | did you add or remove a network card recently? |
| 17:58.51 | keith4_ | themill, thanks, that seems to have fixed it |
| 17:58.54 | Cybodog | gigo, I believe that would be a udev thing |
| 17:58.59 | themill | keith4_: excellent |
| 17:59.03 | themill | gigo: /msg dpkg 70 |
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| 17:59.18 | Cybodog | keith4 firewire could be seen as an interface |
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| 18:01.35 | gigo | ok, I changed /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to make my ethernet name eth1 |
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| 18:02.44 | Cybodog | gigo, I don't know if you need to restart networking or init 1 then init 5 (reboot) to take effect. |
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| 18:02.59 | gigo | i just found that there is an entry already for eth0 |
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| 18:03.11 | Cybodog | prob. firewire gigo |
| 18:03.30 | gigo | what is that? and why doesn't eth0 get listed if I do ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:03.39 | gigo | ifconfig -a should list all interfaces, isn't it? |
| 18:03.51 | Cybodog | does not know why. |
| 18:04.09 | gigo | what is firewire Cybodog ? |
| 18:04.19 | azeem | gigo: wikipedia knows |
| 18:04.27 | azeem | gigo: pastebin the output of lscpi |
| 18:04.30 | azeem | lspci |
| 18:04.36 | Cybodog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface gigo |
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| 18:05.04 | gigo | azeem, http://pastebin.com/m484b077b |
| 18:05.38 | gigo | so, is Firewire that small ethernet like port but smaller than ethernet port I have on my system? |
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| 18:05.44 | Cybodog | you have a nic, a wireless and a firewire gigo |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | Cybodog: wtf is 'init 5' for ? |
| 18:06.28 | Cybodog | gigo, on my laptop, it looks like a usb port |
| 18:07.25 | Cybodog | abrotman to change from current run level to run level 1, then back to default. I don't remember default Debian run levels, but init 5 will bring up a gui, but IIRC so will init 3 on Debian. |
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| 18:07.43 | Cybodog | abrotman, so I said 5 to be safe |
| 18:07.47 | abrotman | Cybodog: do you even use Debian? or have you ever? |
| 18:07.50 | xhairball | little_owl: yes. pigz for gzip and pbzip2 are parallel versions that can take advantage of multiple cores. |
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| 18:08.28 | Cybodog | yes, I do and have abrotman but this box is not debian, installing that now on another. I am open to corrections. |
| 18:08.40 | abrotman | Cybodog: in Debian, run levels 2-5 are the same |
| 18:08.48 | azeem | Cybodog: please don't give advice if you don't know what you are talking about |
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| 18:09.08 | gigo | yeah i found the firewire port. 1394 is written in a small rectangle beside it. It is like a very small USB port. less than half the size of a USB port. |
| 18:09.11 | Cybodog | abrotman, I said as much: I don't remember default Debian run levels, but init 5 will bring up a gui, but IIRC so will init 3 on Debian. |
| 18:09.19 | abrotman | and given that it's udev that is assigning eth0/1, going to runlevel 1 and then back to 2 probably wouldn't do a thing |
| 18:09.35 | abrotman | Cybodog: this isn't Redhat |
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| 18:09.41 | beardy | !runlevel |
| 18:09.41 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 18:09.46 | Cybodog | abrotman, I said as much as that also, I said you may need to reboot. |
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| 18:09.57 | gigo | abrotman, what happens in redhat? |
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| 18:09.59 | beardy | !reboot |
| 18:10.00 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | so basically .. try everything ? |
| 18:10.05 | beardy | !restartx |
| 18:10.06 | dpkg | Don't reboot, just restart X. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace if you are logged in (not working? Ask me about <dontzap>). '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | it's not an X issue |
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| 18:10.26 | beardy | shrugs. |
| 18:10.37 | Cybodog | so if you change from current to 1 then back to 5 you do the same as init 2, YOU said as much, so I gave good advise, sorry it was not as precise as you like. |
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| 18:10.41 | beardy | Wtf gui then. |
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| 18:11.26 | azeem | Cybodog: except it doesn't help |
| 18:11.32 | azeem | AIUI |
| 18:11.34 | Cybodog | gigo, just different definitions of runlevels, they have single, multi with out networking and gui. |
| 18:13.01 | Cybodog | geeze guys, it is better then letting him flail with out a clue, lighten up. |
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| 18:13.08 | Cybodog | at least I am TRYING |
| 18:13.14 | azeem | that's the point |
| 18:13.27 | azeem | do or do not, there is no try |
| 18:13.33 | Cybodog | not so. |
| 18:14.07 | Cybodog | IF he followed my advise, he would get it up, just not the direct route you would like, he would have to do two things. change init, then reboot. |
| 18:14.21 | Cybodog | and I learned as well. win win |
| 18:14.30 | azeem | why change init when rebooting afterwards anyway? |
| 18:14.47 | Cybodog | I said I did not know which was needed. |
| 18:14.53 | Cybodog | but I did say one was needed. |
| 18:14.54 | azeem | neither was |
| 18:14.55 | gigo | lol. it's okay. his advice did me no harm this time. :-) |
| 18:15.00 | azeem | unless I'm missing something |
| 18:15.19 | Cybodog | perhaps I am missing something, what was the solution for udev changes to take effect? |
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| 18:15.24 | abrotman | "Let's try everything, something will work" |
| 18:15.50 | azeem | Cybodog: a reboot, however, why were the udev changes needed to take effect immediately? |
| 18:15.54 | gigo | i don't know. i didn't change the persistent definitoins of interface. because eth0 is already defined for firewire, i don't want to rename my ethernet to eth0 |
| 18:15.55 | azeem | well |
| 18:16.00 | azeem | or unloading/reloading the module |
| 18:16.05 | azeem | probably the better alternative |
| 18:16.12 | Cybodog | azeen that was his request, to make eth1 be called eth0 |
| 18:16.28 | Cybodog | azeem network driver module? |
| 18:16.37 | azeem | yes |
| 18:16.45 | Cybodog | good choice, see, I did not know that. |
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| 18:17.03 | Cybodog | but I can't tell someone to do something I don't know, only what I do know. |
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| 18:17.15 | azeem | you didn't know /exactly/ |
| 18:17.25 | Cybodog | and of the 900 + users only a few tried to help. |
| 18:17.35 | Cybodog | no, not exactly and I said as much. |
| 18:17.36 | abrotman | you had no clue |
| 18:17.48 | azeem | Cybodog: the point is, no help is usually better than bad help |
| 18:17.48 | Cybodog | right, no clue. none. |
| 18:17.55 | Cybodog | not bad help at all. |
| 18:17.59 | Cybodog | it would have worked. |
| 18:17.59 | azeem | but anyway, let's move on |
| 18:18.09 | Cybodog | lets :) |
| 18:18.13 | azeem | Cybodog: yes, you're right |
| 18:18.30 | Cybodog | and you know what you are doing far more then me. |
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| 18:18.51 | Cybodog | as does abrotman. |
| 18:19.00 | azeem | 19:17 < azeem> but anyway, let's move on |
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| 18:19.59 | luckylucy | i use shorewall for routing / firewall / ip table stuff, i want to install squid, will the two interfere with each other? |
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| 18:20.37 | luckylucy | squid says it acts as a firewall to the internet, but i already have a firewall, i just want to log traffic. |
| 18:20.40 | Xenguy | luckylucy: I'm also interested in that question |
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| 18:21.01 | Xenguy | biab |
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| 18:22.21 | mifritscher | hmm, squid is not a firewall... |
| 18:22.35 | mifritscher | it is a soly proxy^^ |
| 18:22.54 | mifritscher | (ok, it can be used as a transparent proxy, for which a firewall rule must be added) |
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| 18:23.02 | d1b | mifritscher: lies! |
| 18:23.24 | d1b | traffic just naturally goes that way ;) |
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| 18:24.00 | mifritscher | hmm? |
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| 18:24.52 | luckylucy | Xenguy: ntop might be a better solution, i don't know... |
| 18:26.05 | luckylucy | Xenguy: you should check out www.ntop.org, if you just want to monitor traffic like i do, however, it looks fairly complex, and may take some time to set up |
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| 18:26.10 | abrotman | luckylucy: log what about the traffic ? |
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| 18:26.48 | d1b | luckylucy: apt-get install ntop ;) |
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| 18:27.58 | luckylucy | 2 fold, i want to log the outgoing requests, where they are going, and the incoming requests to our internal site. I want to know two things, who is using the internal site as they should, and who, when at work is spending their time and our money looking at facebook, espn, etc. |
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| 18:30.17 | d1b | apt: rick james |
| 18:30.18 | apt | hmm... rick james is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKT3-FdOLYM |
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| 18:30.32 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 18:31.21 | luckylucy | hilarious! |
| 18:31.48 | d1b | apt: i got bored so i told apt about rick james. |
| 18:31.49 | apt | You got bored so i told apt about rick james.? |
| 18:31.54 | d1b | erh abrotman * |
| 18:32.00 | abrotman | d1b: don't fill the bots with junk .. |
| 18:32.03 | d1b | is tired / me sleeps |
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| 18:32.14 | d1b | abrotman: i don't, i just up that one item in. |
| 18:32.19 | d1b | as it is actually funny. |
| 18:32.19 | abrotman | it's gone now |
| 18:32.21 | d1b | ok. |
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| 18:32.28 | abrotman | d1b: don't fill the bots with junk .. |
| 18:32.31 | d1b | ok. |
| 18:32.31 | abrotman | and yes, it's junk |
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| 18:32.53 | luckylucy | error when installing ntop: adduser: the home directory '/var/lib/ntop' does not belong to the user you are currently creating. wtf? |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | luckylucy: ntop does a lot of logging .. bandwidthd does a bunch also |
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| 18:33.10 | d1b | luckylucy: check which user owns it. |
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| 18:33.23 | p0g0 | luckylucy: shorewall has howto's for squid, iirc. |
| 18:33.33 | p0g0 | if you still want to do that |
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| 18:34.31 | luckylucy | drwxr-x--- 2 ntop root 4096 2009-11-01 12:30 ntop |
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| 18:35.32 | abrotman | luckylucy: that's normal IIRC |
| 18:35.51 | luckylucy | then wtf is the error about, and should i worry about it? |
| 18:36.29 | luckylucy | i am going to have to read this entire manual arent i? f***! i hate reading |
| 18:36.35 | d1b | luckylucy: not really |
| 18:36.56 | d1b | you start ntop with ntop --set-admin-password i think then its up and running after you kill it and run /etc/init.d/ntop start |
| 18:37.01 | d1b | if i remember correctly. |
| 18:37.16 | action09 | yes something like that |
| 18:37.18 | d1b | just you need to be the router in order to get useful stats..... probably / more useful. |
| 18:37.29 | d1b | interms of internet use. |
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| 18:37.59 | abrotman | thought he was going to bed ? |
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| 18:40.18 | p0g0 | luckylucy: a couple of things: http://www.shorewall.net/Shorewall_Squid_Usage.html and http://www.shorewall.net/FAQ.htm#Logging <- I expect you can get most of what you are looking for from shorewall's logs if you set it up right. |
| 18:40.51 | d1b | abrotman: something like that. |
| 18:40.58 | xperia2 | ~seen chf |
| 18:41.00 | apt | i haven't seen 'chf', xperia2 |
| 18:41.23 | d1b | setting up cron atm :) /me needs an alarm first |
| 18:41.56 | luckylucy | d1b: the computer with shorewall is the router, it has the only internet connection |
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| 18:42.16 | d1b | luckylucy: ok so that should be fine then. |
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| 18:46.28 | pheo | hey there everyone, is anyone familiar with NFS? im having some trouble with write privleges... |
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| 18:47.33 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:47.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:48.27 | d1b | sleep(36000); night |
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| 18:50.11 | luckylucy | ntop -d |
| 18:50.16 | luckylucy | sorry |
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| 18:51.52 | pheo | So, ive got two boxes (debain to debian, static ips) and one is running the nfs server. in /etc/exports ive got /folder/to/share other.boxes.ip.address(rw,no_root_squash,sync) . root on the client box can write to the folder, but 'permission is not allowed' for normal users. anyone have any ideas as to how to fix the privleges? |
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| 18:53.30 | syslq_ | What is an easy to use & good network simulation program for linux? Something like packet tracer from cisco |
| 18:54.02 | luckylucy | do i need to have apache installed in order to access ntop? |
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| 18:54.10 | luckylucy | from a web interface? |
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| 18:56.09 | gs94 | anyone managed to run WoW on the crappy GMA 950 ? |
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| 18:56.24 | zozo | luckylucy no |
| 18:56.45 | zozo | not give a web interface on port 3000 by default |
| 18:57.16 | zozo | ntop |
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| 18:57.54 | I-Hop | debian doesn't come with a preconfigured firewall or anything does it? |
| 18:58.18 | I-Hop | is having trouble connecting to his sshd from outside..and his router is configured to allow traffic to pass. |
| 18:58.52 | I-Hop | i can get to it from inside the network, but outside its like its dead..and there isn't anything in hosts.deny.. |
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| 18:59.29 | luckylucy | zozo: i try to access via 192.168.2.1:3000, but just get webpag is not available |
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| 19:00.58 | luckylucy | try to restart ntop, shows Not starting network top daemon, it has already been started, but the web access doesn't seem to be working...??? |
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| 19:05.17 | luckylucy | maybe i need to add shorewall allow rules for ntop web interface? anyone know if it i need tcp / udp or both on port 3000 and 3001 (https) |
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| 19:06.14 | luckylucy | goodbye, shorewall restarting... |
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| 19:06.52 | iluminator101 | Hi, I am having trouble playing .mov in totem and vlc. and suggestions. thanks in advance |
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| 19:07.01 | luckylucy | that did it! thanks everyone. |
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| 19:21.15 | iluminator101 | Hi i am having trouble playing .mov files any suggestions? |
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| 19:22.35 | mhymn | mplayer plays them fine here |
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| 19:22.53 | mhymn | the dmm version |
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| 19:25.57 | iluminator101 | i have totem its not working i have w32 codecs |
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| 19:28.56 | icebrain | iluminator101: there's a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548137 |
| 19:29.04 | iluminator101 | vlc plays audio but no video |
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| 19:34.46 | Jacob_H | Hi everyone. I have my locales set up to en |
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| 19:35.28 | zozo1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.34 | I-Hop | what? |
| 19:35.44 | Jacob_H | ...GB but use a Swissâ»French keyboard layout. In Squeeze, what is the "right way" of getting this set up? In the past I used xmodmap but a recent update has messed that up |
| 19:36.05 | zozo1 | debian doesn't come with a preconfigured firewall or anything does it? you re right |
| 19:36.30 | I-Hop | zozo1, ah..well then i'm horridly confused |
| 19:37.07 | I-Hop | i can ssh into this box from its local address, not from an outside address..and i have no idea what roaming mode is |
| 19:37.12 | Jerry | how do i install mysqli? |
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| 19:37.22 | I-Hop | thinks he has misconfigured everything |
| 19:37.25 | I-Hop | terribly. |
| 19:37.27 | luckylucy | how do i give myself priveledges to change the monitored interface in ntop, as it says: You cannot set the capture interface: missing privileges. I tried setting the admin password using (from cli: ntop -A), and that let me login to the web interface using user admin... |
| 19:38.06 | luckylucy | confused as to why it doesn't use the linux users, and how to add / remove the capture interface changing priviledge |
| 19:38.11 | iluminator101 | how do i then .mov files? |
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| 19:38.26 | iluminator101 | how do i then play .mov files? |
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| 19:39.15 | I-Hop | whenever i go to Network settings, it shows all of my connections as 'roaming'..and for some reason i can't ssh t it from the outside. I've made sure that the ports are open for it. and i've set it to a static address in interfaces.. |
| 19:39.25 | I-Hop | and i have done man interface. |
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| 19:48.30 | themill | iluminator101: I *think* my mov support for totem comes from the w32codecs package from debian-multimedia.org. |
| 19:48.42 | iluminator101 | i have that |
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| 19:50.38 | poisonbit | djp`, do you expect 'others' to need to read and execute your scripts ? |
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| 19:51.21 | djp` | poisonbit: no, not particularly. |
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| 19:51.37 | poisonbit | djp`, then 750 is more convenient |
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| 19:51.51 | djp` | poisonbit: thanks. |
| 19:51.57 | poisonbit | np |
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| 19:59.12 | delta0 | What is the problem, here? |
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| 19:59.33 | becky | delta0, which problem? |
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| 20:00.47 | kevin01123 | How to enable a terminal emulator to run a PTY (psuedo teletype)? |
| 20:00.48 | poisonbit | delta0, "All the problems started since a cosmonaut had the magnificent idea of distributing CDs worldwide" someone@debconf9 :) |
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| 20:00.53 | morpheuss | net split? |
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| 20:04.00 | RichiH | morpheuss: one of our internal services bots failed |
| 20:04.15 | RichiH | we killed it and are looking at what happenend |
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| 20:05.41 | simonrvn | holy crap |
| 20:05.52 | themill | !wb |
| 20:05.52 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 20:06.15 | simonrvn | wonders why he didn't get knocked off |
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| 20:06.39 | cali | youtube is dead ? |
| 20:06.45 | morpheuss | seems we were on different server |
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| 20:07.17 | simonrvn | i'm on leguin |
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| 20:07.45 | morpheuss | me too on leguin |
| 20:08.01 | simonrvn | RichiH: ^^^ |
| 20:08.19 | morpheuss | net split occurred on syn |
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| 20:08.52 | delta0 | What is syn? |
| 20:08.54 | simonrvn | saw that |
| 20:08.55 | themill | morpheuss, simonrvn: syn is a bot. |
| 20:09.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:09.18 | wootR_ | uhm, how can i check howmuch kbps are currently going in and out? (whoever answered me before, sorry, lost it) |
| 20:09.22 | morpheuss | aaah |
| 20:09.29 | abrotman | wootR_: jnettop or iftop |
| 20:09.45 | wootR_ | ah, thankyou |
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| 20:11.49 | pobega | I know this is a bit OT, but can anyone recommend a good type of compression for system backups? gzip is reliable but not too fantastic |
| 20:11.50 | dkr | or iptraf |
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| 20:12.19 | dkr | pobega: bzip can get you better compression at the cost of cpu time |
| 20:12.25 | kevin01123 | "Konsole is unable to open a PTY (pseudo teletype). It is likely that this is due to an incorrect configuration of the PTY devices. Konsole needs to have read/write access to the PTY devices." |
| 20:12.30 | kevin01123 | How do I fix that? |
| 20:12.41 | pobega | dkr: how's lzma? |
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| 20:13.03 | abrotman | pobega: in what terms? |
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| 20:13.15 | pobega | reliability, speed and compression |
| 20:13.39 | pobega | I know they use it at work, but my boss said he's run into a lot of problems with reliability |
| 20:13.47 | pobega | Wondering if anyon else has experienced anything similar |
| 20:13.52 | dkr | pobega: haven't used it. tar -j easier to type than tar --lzma heh |
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| 20:15.23 | RichiH | simonrvn, morpheuss: it was not a server issue |
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| 20:16.41 | iluminator101 | what does ff02:1:ff68 mean? |
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| 20:17.01 | xhairball | pobega: if you have multiple cores, look at pigz or pbzip2 or lbzip2 |
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| 20:20.24 | pobega | xhairball: Sadly, I'm on an EeePC. So I need it to be somewhat quick. |
| 20:20.51 | endofox | I'm having problems with my fax modem driver installed ..... right .... it dials but not complete the handshake ...... he says pppd exited unexpectedly |
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| 20:21.03 | iluminator101 | i am having trouble playing .mov in debian? |
| 20:21.15 | wootR_ | uhm, mv with wildcards like *.txt works, but is there any method to move like 31-10-2009-*.txt, when theres 31-10-2009-1, 31-10-2009-2 etc .. |
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| 20:22.10 | pobega | iluminator101: Have you tried using mplayer to play it? |
| 20:22.18 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 20:22.20 | dkr | !tell iluminator101 about debian-multimedia |
| 20:22.25 | iluminator101 | i have that |
| 20:22.49 | pobega | Then perhaps you didn't install the correct packages? |
| 20:22.58 | dkr | then try clarifying what 'trouble" is exactly. error message? |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | wootR_: what's wrong with what you're doing ? |
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| 20:23.36 | Jerry | how do i install mysqli? |
| 20:23.40 | iluminator101 | w32codecs gstreamer bad gstreamer ugly libquicktime |
| 20:23.51 | crowbar | I've removed the pcspkr module, but my machine is still making the pcspkr beep. any idea on how to remove it? |
| 20:24.17 | abrotman | Jerry: you mean the server ? |
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| 20:24.22 | abrotman | !tell crowbar about bell |
| 20:24.29 | endofox | can someone help me with the fax modem? |
| 20:24.38 | abrotman | just ask .. dont' ask to ask |
| 20:24.48 | wootR_ | abrotman: mv: cannot stat `31.10.2009 [*].txt': No such file or directory --> although theres over 30 different files exactly like that just differnet in the wildcard |
| 20:25.26 | dkr | escaping the wildcard? |
| 20:25.57 | wootR_ | nope |
| 20:26.17 | dkr | wootR_: I don't see how the error message would include it if not. paste your exact command? |
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| 20:26.45 | wootR_ | dkr: mv 1.11.2009\ \[*\].txt /var/www/log/old |
| 20:27.06 | abrotman | wootR_: mv 1.11.2009*.txt /var/www/log/old/ ? |
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| 20:27.35 | wootR_ | mv: cannot stat `1.11.2009*.txt': No such file or directory |
| 20:27.45 | wootR_ | example file name; 01.11.2009 [00:00-1:00].txt |
| 20:28.01 | dkr | are you using bash? |
| 20:28.01 | wootR_ | uh |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 20:28.19 | wootR_ | ohh |
| 20:28.20 | abrotman | "01.11.2009 [00:00-1:00].txt" is actually the filename ? |
| 20:28.22 | wootR_ | i used 1.11 instead of 0.11 |
| 20:28.27 | wootR_ | worked! :+ |
| 20:28.37 | wootR_ | great, thanks anyways |
| 20:28.46 | endofox | help my fax modem does not make the handshake |
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| 20:29.53 | abrotman | endofox: Could you at least tell us which version of Linux you're using? or which kernel you're using? |
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| 20:31.00 | endofox | abrotman: DEBIAN lenny 5.0 with kernel 2.6.26 |
| 20:31.23 | abrotman | endofox: are you dialing out or receiving? |
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| 20:32.43 | endofox | abrotman: dialing into an Internet server |
| 20:32.49 | M06w | how do I boot the shell? |
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| 20:32.57 | M06w | gui, gnome, whatever |
| 20:33.05 | abrotman | which do you want? |
| 20:33.19 | abrotman | endofox: are you sure your modem does faxing? |
| 20:33.23 | M06w | the one that I have, included in the default debian provided off of the site |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | M06w: you said GDM was starting already |
| 20:33.46 | M06w | yes well apparently it isn't |
| 20:34.02 | M06w | moved the crt over, and it's just command line |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | Jerry: i didn't think the mysqli was free ? |
| 20:34.22 | M06w | I could just reboot, but I'm far too lazy |
| 20:34.34 | abrotman | M06w: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 20:34.41 | Jerry | abrotman: hm |
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| 20:34.53 | Jerry | wasn't sure. |
| 20:34.56 | Arrowmaster | sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 20:35.08 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: what if he doesn't have sudo? |
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| 20:35.39 | Arrowmaster | su -c "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" |
| 20:35.50 | endofox | abrotman: got the correct driver and did the installation ..... faxmodem the dials, but during the process of dialing it says pppd exited unexpectedly |
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| 20:37.01 | endofox | abrotman: want me to send the log to the terminal entente you better? |
| 20:37.21 | abrotman | endofox: you can put it in a pastebin |
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| 20:42.32 | endofox | abrotman: I have a text file with the log of my terminal ..... ok? |
| 20:42.58 | abrotman | so put it in a pastebin |
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| 20:43.52 | M06w | turns out rebooting was the easiest solution |
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| 20:44.08 | endofox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.20 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:44.21 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:44.22 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:45.40 | endofox | debian: / home / jonatasbrunodasilva # kppp |
| 20:45.40 | endofox | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of |
| 20:45.40 | endofox | the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based |
| 20:45.40 | endofox | authentication failed |
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| 20:46.27 | babilen | M06w: Could you clarify your question a bit? What do you want to achieve? |
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| 20:46.30 | endofox | QMetaObject: findSignal: Accounting: Conflict with |
| 20:46.32 | endofox | AccountingBase:: changed (QString, QString) |
| 20:46.34 | endofox | Opener: received ExecPPPDaemon |
| 20:46.36 | endofox | In parent: pppd pid 4327 |
| 20:46.38 | endofox | Could not find interface ppp0: device missing |
| 20:46.42 | endofox | Kernel supports ppp alright. |
| 20:46.42 | clusty | a quick linux question. how do I find all files containing some string. i know you can do it with find <path> -name -exec {some magic i cannot figure out} |
| 20:46.44 | endofox | Could not find interface ppp0: device missing |
| 20:46.46 | clusty | is there an easier way |
| 20:46.46 | endofox | pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 20:46.48 | endofox | pppd: but I could not find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 20:46.50 | endofox | pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
| 20:46.52 | endofox | It was pppd that died |
| 20:46.54 | endofox | pppd exited with return value 1 |
| 20:46.56 | endofox | Sending 4308 a SIGUSR1 |
| 20:46.58 | endofox | Could not find interface ppp0: device missing |
| 20:47.00 | endofox | Opener: received RemoveSecret |
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| 20:47.02 | endofox | Opener: received RemoveSecret |
| 20:47.04 | endofox | Opener: received OpenResolv |
| 20:47.08 | endofox | Opener: received removelock |
| 20:47.10 | clusty | endofox: WTF is wrong with you? |
| 20:47.12 | endofox | Opener: received PPPDExitStatus |
| 20:47.16 | endofox | Opener: received OpenSysLog |
| 20:47.18 | endofox | debian: / home / jonatasbrunodasilva # ICE default IO error handler doing |
| 20:47.20 | endofox | an exit (), pid = 4324, errno = 11 |
| 20:47.22 | endofox | debian: / home / jonatasbrunodasilva # kppp |
| 20:47.24 | endofox | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of |
| 20:47.26 | endofox | the authentication pro |
| 20:47.32 | CharminTheMoose | I'm drowning in this flood |
| 20:47.34 | clusty | kick/ban pls somebody |
| 20:47.35 | babilen | endofox: stop that please |
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| 20:47.48 | endofox | sorry |
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| 20:48.07 | chemist | endofox: in future use pastebin |
| 20:48.16 | Arrowmaster | clusty: grep |
| 20:48.16 | chemist | endofox: wwww.pastebin.ca |
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| 20:48.31 | clusty | Arrowmaster: how do i do recursive grep? |
| 20:48.46 | babilen | clusty: "grep -r" or "rgrep" |
| 20:48.48 | mesaGL | clusty: grep -R somestring /somedir, or find /somedir -type f -exec grep somestring {} \; |
| 20:48.56 | clusty | god that was easy :D |
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| 20:50.02 | abrotman | endofox: http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:50.30 | babilen | clusty: Note that "direct invocation of grep as |
| 20:50.44 | babilen | clusty: rgrep is deprecated. |
| 20:51.11 | clusty | babilen: what is the "nice way"? grep -r ? |
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| 20:51.25 | endofox | abrotman: take this file and see |
| 20:51.37 | abrotman | no, use a pastebin |
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| 20:52.05 | mesaGL | clusty: grep -R crosses symlinks and filesystems. safer with find ... |
| 20:52.19 | babilen | clusty: I dislike typing the capital R which is why i use "-r" |
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| 20:55.54 | xhairball | mesaGL: Are you implying that -r is different from -R? |
| 20:56.48 | endofox | abrotman |
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| 20:56.56 | endofox | abrotman: already sent |
| 20:57.34 | mesaGL | xhairball: no. why ? |
| 20:58.40 | endofox | abrotman: the file name is "Log modem" |
| 20:58.53 | abrotman | i see that |
| 20:59.13 | abrotman | endofox: it's telling you that you're not authenticating correctly |
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| 21:00.49 | endofox | abrotman: |
| 21:00.49 | endofox | I will send another attempt |
| 21:01.04 | xhairball | mesaGL: ok, just checking. :) I was curious why you flipped the case. I couldn't find anything in the man/info page to suggest they are different. |
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| 21:05.16 | endofox | abrotman: a look at the log that I sent in paste.debian.net |
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| 21:05.33 | abrotman | endofox: i did ... |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | and i told you what i thought |
| 21:06.26 | endofox | abrotman: it makes the sound of speed and then stops |
| 21:07.11 | mesaGL | like "whooosh !" ? |
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| 21:09.21 | I-Hop | why is it that when i change my server to static ip in, /etc/network/interface when i restart networking..it'll never connect to the internet.. yet it'll connect again if i reboot it. |
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| 21:10.09 | mesaGL | I-Hop: have you got dnsmasq or some other networky stuff going on ? |
| 21:10.29 | abrotman | I-Hop: you have to re-up that interface |
| 21:11.08 | I-Hop | abrotman, with ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | ifdown/ifup |
| 21:11.29 | I-Hop | ah |
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| 21:11.56 | I-Hop | thanks |
| 21:12.32 | I-Hop | abrotman, you were talking to me earlier about something like this. when i go to networking..why are my connections in roaming mode? |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:13.03 | abrotman | you mean DHCP? |
| 21:13.40 | I-Hop | when i go to system--> administration --> network |
| 21:13.53 | I-Hop | all of my wired connections are greyed out and in roaming mode |
| 21:14.20 | I-Hop | i've been trying to figure out what that means, because it shouldn't be dhcp because i've chanaged that in. /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:14.55 | simonrvn | that's pretty typical n-m behaviour |
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| 21:16.41 | I-Hop | simonrvn, so it really doesn't matter? |
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| 21:17.21 | mesaGL | who is Khaled Mardam-Bey ? |
| 21:17.29 | simonrvn | what doesn't matter? |
| 21:17.30 | Random832 | mesaGL, guy who wrote mIRC |
| 21:17.35 | I-Hop | mirc dude. |
| 21:17.38 | simonrvn | mesaGL: dude who wrote mIRC |
| 21:17.45 | clusty | is there a way to make an ssh client ask for password before it checks for keys? |
| 21:17.45 | Random832 | is a ninja |
| 21:18.13 | I-Hop | simonrvn, yhou said its typical n-m behaviour..and i was asking if then what network manager was saying mattered.. |
| 21:18.16 | I-Hop | you* |
| 21:18.21 | simonrvn | Random832: if you really were, you wouldn't be announcing it to 800+ people |
| 21:18.29 | mesaGL | thanks guys. i did a ctcp version on someone here and that's what came up ... |
| 21:18.37 | simonrvn | < I-Hop> all of my wired connections are greyed out and in roaming mode |
| 21:18.42 | simonrvn | < simonrvn> that's pretty typical n-m behaviour |
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| 21:19.17 | I-Hop | so then.. |
| 21:19.27 | I-Hop | it does that for everybody. |
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| 21:19.36 | Random832 | simonrvn, it's a web forum thing - when three people answer a question, the first to answer it is said to have "ninja'd" the others |
| 21:20.20 | simonrvn | Random832: how odd. |
| 21:20.48 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 21:21.07 | I-Hop | so again, what is roaming mode? |
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| 21:21.24 | mesaGL | all roads roam to leeds |
| 21:21.43 | sshc | how do I downgrade a package to the stable version? |
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| 21:22.39 | simonrvn | sshc: why do you assume that's possible? |
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| 21:22.57 | elmovato | Yelow |
| 21:23.00 | simonrvn | (it is, but not without a *lot* aches) |
| 21:23.09 | simonrvn | * of aches |
| 21:23.30 | f00bar80 | does anyone know of the adsl access concentrator package to be use in debian or it's already installed by default ??? |
| 21:24.02 | simonrvn | pppoe |
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| 21:24.26 | sshc | simonrvn: how do I do it with a lot of aches? |
| 21:24.40 | elmovato | f00kubar80: no, you need to install it manually |
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| 21:25.07 | sshc | couldn't I aptitude remove foo && aptitude install -t foo stable? |
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| 21:25.22 | Devastator | When trying to install, it will infinite loop trying to detect network hardware then gives me kernel panic out of memory. Is there an workaround? |
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| 21:26.10 | elmovato | Devastator: use another kernel |
| 21:26.11 | f00bar80 | elmovato, what if i have debian on vmware can i still be able to install and configuring just to test ? |
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| 21:26.44 | Devastator | elmovato which one? |
| 21:26.48 | elmovato | f00kumanbar80: yes, treat it as a standard pc |
| 21:26.50 | Shadda | There's a package in etch called fttools that I need on a lenny installation. It has a few dependencies. What would be the best way to pin that particlar package and get it installed? |
| 21:26.56 | Wyzard | clusty: man ssh_config, take a look at the PreferredAuthentications option |
| 21:26.57 | elmovato | Devastator: the latest one |
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| 21:27.18 | Devastator | elmovato but installation has kernel 2.6.31 |
| 21:27.42 | elmovato | Devastator: then switch to Max OS |
| 21:27.54 | Devastator | lol |
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| 21:29.10 | Devastator | it's nice to make fun with people's problems.. |
| 21:29.12 | babilen | Devastator: You might want to try a stable installer |
| 21:29.38 | elmovato | Devastator: I gave up on debian for workstations, nothing works properly, i use debian for servers |
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| 21:30.10 | Devastator | elmovato and which distro do you use for workstation? |
| 21:30.22 | elmovato | Devastator: Win.7.ballmer |
| 21:30.28 | simonrvn | wonders why elmovato gave up. WorksForMe |
| 21:30.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's been semitrolling that for a few days |
| 21:31.02 | simonrvn | adds a *plonk* then |
| 21:31.15 | simonrvn | bubye |
| 21:31.17 | Devastator | babilen ok, i guess i will have to download another image.. bummer :| |
| 21:31.23 | babilen | Devastator: Or do you *need* a newer kernel? |
| 21:31.34 | simonrvn | Devastator: which image were you trying to use? |
| 21:31.40 | babilen | Devastator: Because, for example, some of the hardware is not supported |
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| 21:31.58 | babilen | simonrvn: He said the installer has linux-image v 2.6.31 ... |
| 21:32.06 | elmovato | always believed that abrotman is a hot girl |
| 21:32.29 | simonrvn | sounds almost like a sid iso, but those are out of date as soon as you burn it... |
| 21:32.32 | abrotman | elmovato: Could you keep it ontopic? |
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| 21:32.39 | Devastator | nevermind, i just saw what i'm doing |
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| 21:32.52 | babilen | Devastator: Which image did you try? |
| 21:32.54 | Devastator | this is xubuntu cd, i got confused |
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| 21:33.01 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 21:33.27 | babilen | Devastator: Try Debian :-D |
| 21:33.32 | Devastator | i had lenny before, but was too heavy for my old laptop |
| 21:33.50 | Wyzard | Devastator: XFCE is available in Debian too |
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| 21:34.02 | Wyzard | You mean that GNOME is too heavy |
| 21:34.03 | Devastator | Wyzard which image? |
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| 21:34.20 | Devastator | Wyzard well, current i'm using fluxbox |
| 21:34.26 | babilen | Devastator: I doubt that. You might want to try a less demanding Desktop environment or window manager (xfce, fluxbox, ...) |
| 21:34.29 | Wyzard | Devastator: That's packaged too |
| 21:34.51 | Devastator | but system is not good |
| 21:35.08 | Wyzard | Devastator: I think if you pick the "desktop system" task in the installer you get GNOME, but you can skip that at install time and then just install xfce4, fluxbox, etc. manually afterward |
| 21:35.12 | Shadda | damn, why is it so hard to get this package |
| 21:35.13 | babilen | Devastator: Which system is "not good"? And what does that mean? |
| 21:35.30 | Devastator | babilen my laptop system |
| 21:35.37 | Devastator | is slow.. |
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| 21:35.52 | Devastator | using lenny and fluxbox, apps are slow |
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| 21:36.02 | Devastator | but my laptop IS VERY old |
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| 21:36.07 | babilen | Devastator: Ah, ok. Just take the advice Wyzard has given you. You can do a minimal install and then just add what you really need |
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| 21:36.43 | Devastator | I would love to see an image for old systems |
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| 21:37.02 | babilen | Shadda: Could you give a little more detail? |
| 21:37.04 | Devastator | like xubuntu for example |
| 21:37.08 | elmovato | nobody uses old laptops |
| 21:37.11 | Wyzard | Devastator: You don't really need a whole separate installer for that |
| 21:37.26 | Devastator | elmovato i'm poor :( |
| 21:37.44 | abrotman | elmovato: Could you please go play somewhere else? |
| 21:37.49 | Wyzard | Devastator: The only reason Ubuntu has separate installers for Ubuntu, KUbuntu, and XUbuntu is that they can't fit all three on the install CD |
| 21:37.58 | gutsy | !unstable |
| 21:37.58 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 21:38.06 | babilen | Devastator: Just install what you need. If fluxbox works for you then don't install GNOME/KDE/... If that is still too demanding try wmii, xmonad, awesome, etc |
| 21:38.12 | Wyzard | Devastator: For an old system just don't install GNOME |
| 21:38.30 | Devastator | Wyzard i know, but make things quite easy.. at least for me.. has been awhile that i don't use linux |
| 21:38.45 | Devastator | but in the past.. linux was quite lightweight |
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| 21:39.00 | Devastator | Wyzard yep, i'll do that |
| 21:39.05 | Wyzard | Devastator: How does it make things easier if you're not using any of those desktops anyway? |
| 21:39.29 | babilen | gutsy: Please /msg or /query dpkg if the factoid is unrelated to the actual discussion and you are just curious. |
| 21:39.45 | Devastator | Wyzard i'm using fluxbox and iceseawell (or something like that) as browser |
| 21:39.48 | Shadda | lemme try something else...is there a decent alternative to ftinfo/fttools that'll work in lenny? I need font meta information and fttools was removed from lenny |
| 21:39.49 | Wyzard | I can see how it's convenient to have an install CD that sets up XFCE if you actually want to run XFCE, but if you're just going to remove that and install fluxbox then I don't see any benefit |
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| 21:40.04 | gutsy | babilen: ok |
| 21:40.18 | endofox | abrotman: already has a solution in sight |
| 21:40.27 | Devastator | but i did read that iceseawell is too "heavy" for old systems |
| 21:40.29 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:40.38 | Wyzard | Devastator: yeah, it probably is |
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| 21:41.51 | Devastator | Wyzard i don't mind using xfce, i just want it to perform equally as win98 (native laptop os) or near that |
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| 21:43.12 | adb | Devastator, try icewm |
| 21:43.24 | Wyzard | Devastator: You might want to try DSL (damnsmalllinux.org) |
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| 21:43.51 | babilen | Devastator: If i were you i would do a minimal install and add packages carefully until you reach a state that is usable. If XFCE or fluxbox is still too heavy for your computer, you can try window managers like wmii, awesome or xmonad. |
| 21:44.15 | Wyzard | Devastator: Personally I'd do what babilen just suggested though |
| 21:44.16 | babilen | Devastator: Although fluxbox is already pretty fast. |
| 21:44.40 | Devastator | babilen fluxbox is pretty fast indeed, but apps are slow |
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| 21:45.07 | mesaGL | babilen: not sure i agree with that, alluring as it is. better to start off heavy, but working, and then remove stuff, as far as possible |
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| 21:45.23 | adb | Devastator, which processor, ram on that laptop ? |
| 21:45.33 | babilen | Devastator: Pick undemanding ones. But start with the minimal set of packages. Ask yourself if you *really* need NiftySoftwareX and add only the ones that give good performance. |
| 21:45.40 | Devastator | adb celeron 550mhz, 64mb of ram |
| 21:46.00 | adb | hmm 64mb , add some ram |
| 21:46.07 | Devastator | for full specs: toshiba 1675cds |
| 21:46.15 | Devastator | adb if i could find lol |
| 21:46.27 | babilen | mesaGL: A minimal system is working just fine. It might not need all your needs but you can solve that one by one. |
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| 21:46.46 | mesaGL | babilen: alluring, but totally fallacious |
| 21:47.13 | babilen | mesaGL: Why? |
| 21:47.26 | Devastator | babilen an office suite, amsn and a mp3 player would be nice, i don't know if my system would ran more than that |
| 21:47.50 | Devastator | xmms is quite heavy |
| 21:48.08 | babilen | mesaGL: So you would suggest installing every single package in Debian and decide then what you need? |
| 21:48.11 | gutsy | hi everybody, i have an ipod touch and when i hook it to my system through usb, it's able to detect the ipod is connected thru the "tail" command but it's not showing on the desktop or in Computer; also, what's the best software that supports ipod touch? (gtkpod doesn't support it) |
| 21:48.12 | mesaGL | babilen: because it presumes you already know exactly what you need. like i said, it is quicker, and safer, to start heavy |
| 21:48.26 | mesaGL | babilen: er no. don't be silly |
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| 21:48.45 | abrotman | gutsy: uname -a .. says what? |
| 21:48.57 | sylecn | in .inputrc "\C-u": universal-argument doesn't change the C-u binding. either does Control-u: universal-argument. why? |
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| 21:49.55 | Devastator | babilen could new kernels make system slow? i don't think so but want to confirm |
| 21:49.57 | babilen | mesaGL: The point is that *I* find it much easier to add the packages i need one at a time then facing a big set of installed packages and decide what I don't need. But I guess that this boils down to personal preference. |
| 21:50.14 | gutsy | Linux monkey 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux, abrotman |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | gutsy: are you sure the ipod touch is even supported ? |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | rhythmbox perhaps ? |
| 21:51.07 | gutsy | abrotman: i'm not sure... |
| 21:51.11 | abrotman | or maybe banshee ? |
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| 21:52.09 | Devastator | when i started mess with linux there wasn't much packages, but now i don't even know which is best |
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| 21:53.10 | babilen | mesaGL: In a way the approach is comparable to a iptables setup. You start with dropping every package and then begin to open ports... |
| 21:53.17 | gutsy | abrotman: i message dpkg on gtkpod and it doesn't say anything about ipod touch, and i tried the software itself |
| 21:53.32 | abrotman | gutsy: you tried rhythmbox and/or banshee ? |
| 21:53.46 | mesaGL | babilen: ok consider this. what is desired as the end result is a minimal but complete set, agreed ? |
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| 21:55.04 | gutsy | abrotman: i tried rhythmbox and still no support but i haven't tried banshee |
| 21:55.06 | mesaGL | babilen: the trouble with adding stuff piecemeal is that it is guesswork. there is no guesswork whatsoever in removing stuff you know you don't need |
| 21:55.30 | babilen | mesaGL: As i /msg ed you. Let's take it to #debian-ot |
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| 21:56.20 | abrotman | or not |
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| 22:00.25 | Texou | hi |
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| 22:01.08 | sylecn | !ask |
| 22:01.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:01.53 | babilen | abrotman: Why not? I tried discussing that topic in private... |
| 22:02.12 | abrotman | babilen: i meant that he didn't seem to want to go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:04.04 | luckylucy | I have a problem with ntop running on lenny, when i try to see the network load statistics under the Summary category i get the RRD plugin is disable misconfigured or missing... i checked that i could create and add data to an rrd file, and ntop has created it's rrd folderstructure. when i click on plugins->round-robin-databases, it says active: no, i click and it changes to yes, if i repeat the process, it says no again.... |
| 22:04.10 | babilen | abrotman: Ah, ok. |
| 22:04.53 | luckylucy | how can i a) get the rrdPlugin setting from ntop to say it's active=yes all the time? and b) see the network load using the rrd plugin? |
| 22:05.00 | gutsy | abrotman: still no support for ipod touch in banshee |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | gutsy: have you asked google? it may not be supported |
| 22:05.33 | webmasteroy | google is my best friend |
| 22:05.54 | luckylucy | thinks webmasteroy needs better friends |
| 22:06.08 | webmasteroy | lol |
| 22:06.24 | webmasteroy | google almost never fails me though :P |
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| 22:07.16 | gutsy | abrotman: yeah, i googled it and still couldn't find any support, it said to install gtkpod |
| 22:07.59 | gutsy | abrotman: anyways, thanks for ur help |
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| 22:10.13 | abrotman | gutsy: http://touchstudio.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/syncing-music-ipod-touch-on-linux/ |
| 22:10.17 | petllama` | im trying to ./configure XBMX on debian and it fails at "checking for main in -lfaad... no" what do i need to install to satisfy this? |
| 22:11.22 | sylecn | petemc, sudo apt-get install libfaad-dev |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:11.42 | gigo | i want to convert an .MP3 audio into .MPEG video (the audio + some image). how can I do it? |
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| 22:12.06 | tote | should i be concerned if rkhunter gives warings for lots of binaries, only warnings and OK on all other tests? (running squeeze fully updated) |
| 22:12.07 | sylecn | sry, I put the wrong name |
| 22:12.12 | gutsy | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:12.23 | d1b | gutsy: i use amarok :) |
| 22:12.24 | petllama` | got it |
| 22:12.24 | petllama` | thnx |
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| 22:15.11 | erank | I'm searching for installation instructions of Debian on a iPaq hx4700, but after 2 days of searching I still didn't find it... Any help? |
| 22:15.51 | d1b | erank: google... |
| 22:16.02 | gutsy | d1b: thanks |
| 22:16.03 | abrotman | erank: http://www.ggoossen.net/debian-hx4700/ .. first hit |
| 22:16.13 | d1b | abrotman: yeah i was about to say |
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| 22:16.36 | erank | abrotman: thanks for pointing to an incomplete tutorial I allready read |
| 22:16.48 | d1b | erank: looks fairly complete to me |
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| 22:17.25 | darkblue_B | hi - installing 5.01 on a desktop machine here, from CD. Formatted the primary drive, selected an MIT mirror.. it got to "select and install software - retreiving file 829 of 829" and has hung |
| 22:17.27 | d1b | ob viously you would need to boot linux on the device to do the chroot before finishing the debootstrap. |
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| 22:17.36 | d1b | other than that i dont' see the issue. |
| 22:17.46 | darkblue_B | I am watching the network traffic now, nothing is happening that I have noticed |
| 22:17.50 | darkblue_B | :-( |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | erank: whihc part do you need help with ? |
| 22:18.01 | darkblue_B | so - what to do now... |
| 22:18.22 | abrotman | !tell darkblue_B about 5% error |
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| 22:19.06 | {aaron} | hi guys, does debian use 'ufw' for the firewall? |
| 22:19.12 | {aaron} | or is that an ubuntu thing? |
| 22:19.22 | sylecn | Is C-u suppose not to be rebind in .inputrc, I can bind C-u a, but not C-u |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | {aaron}: it's available if you want to use it |
| 22:19.39 | darkblue_B | huh? boot the installer, means kill this and reboot, I assume |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | or need to i guess |
| 22:20.02 | {aaron} | ok, then i have a question. i'd like to enable ti but i'm on a remote ssh connection. i wan to make sure i don't drop |
| 22:20.11 | abrotman | darkblue_B: FWIW .. most people find it easier to skip tasksel and install packages after the install is done |
| 22:20.12 | {aaron} | i tried adding some rules but 'ufw show' doesn't show anything |
| 22:20.13 | erank | abrotman: I allready read this one, thought it was some kind of braindump, but if it looks complete I might have missed something :) But am I correct this is an installation on a SD or CF card? |
| 22:20.18 | {aaron} | i assume the firewall has to be on to configure it? |
| 22:20.18 | d1b | abrotman: it would seem the "starter" kits that erank probably needs, are moved :) / not there. |
| 22:20.25 | abrotman | {aaron}: on which OS? |
| 22:20.33 | {aaron} | xubuntu 9.04 |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | {aaron}: so go ask them, this channel does not support Ubuntu |
| 22:21.03 | {aaron} | ok thought I'd give it a shot since ubuntu is mostly noise :/ |
| 22:21.10 | d1b | {aaron}: ufw is an ubuntu wrapper. |
| 22:21.16 | {aaron} | i see |
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| 22:21.28 | abrotman | d1b: it's in debian too |
| 22:21.44 | d1b | abrotman: sure. but i think it originated in ubuntu no? |
| 22:22.23 | abrotman | no idea .. |
| 22:22.40 | d1b | the home page is found on launchpad so i assume yes. |
| 22:22.51 | viyyer | babilen, any ideas how I can make a new orig tar ball? |
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| 22:23.15 | viyyer | all I do is apt-get source libicu38 |
| 22:24.11 | babilen | viyyer: You are applying some patches to the original source, don't you? |
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| 22:25.33 | viyyer | babilen, yes I edited the files directly |
| 22:25.48 | viyyer | to be correct edited one file |
| 22:26.47 | babilen | viyyer: As i said, I think it would be best if you incorporate your patches into the patch systen already used by the package (quilt, dpatch, ...), change the changelog (dch -l) and rebuild the package... |
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| 22:27.11 | tote | should i be concerned if rkhunter gives warings for lots of binaries, only warnings and OK on all other tests? (running squeeze fully updated) |
| 22:27.15 | babilen | viyyer: Have a look at the new maintainers guide, developer reference, debian policy ... |
| 22:27.26 | viyyer | hmm... babilen does that mean I should not edit the files directly at all ? |
| 22:27.43 | viyyer | for it to compile I mean |
| 22:27.44 | babilen | viyyer: And you might get much better help related to packaging for Debian in #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 22:27.52 | sylecn | I've found the reason why C-u can't be bind, bind-tty-special-characters must be set to no |
| 22:27.59 | babilen | viyyer: Did you edit the changelog? |
| 22:28.25 | viyyer | babilen, yes |
| 22:28.45 | Devastator | a |
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| 22:29.16 | babilen | viyyer: OK. I pointed out to you that the build fails because the chacksum of the orig tarball does not match the chacksum of the modified one (naturally) |
| 22:29.48 | babilen | viyyer: I would head over to #debian-mentors and ask there. That is the correct channel to get help with packaging problems. |
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| 22:30.07 | viyyer | babilen, yes almost there |
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| 22:35.22 | gutsy | d1b: i have installed the amarok package; i still can't manage the ipod touch |
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| 22:37.07 | [Mr][GeFFeRsON] | re |
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| 22:42.59 | hvammen | How do I fix my mouse, when only an extra mouse on my laptop works? |
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| 22:45.59 | M06w | how can I force gdm to have screenspace even if a monitor's not attached? |
| 22:46.08 | xperia2 | ~seen chf |
| 22:46.11 | apt | xperia2: i haven't seen 'chf' |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | xperia2: please stop doing that |
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| 22:49.30 | xperia2 | why if i may ask |
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| 22:51.37 | abrotman | why can't you msg the bot? you asked the bot a few hours ago the same question .. and the bot didn't know then .. why woudl it know now? |
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| 22:52.57 | keith4_ | M06w, you probably have to explicitly define everything you want in xorg.conf, since auto-detection will (obviously) fail if there's no device attached |
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| 22:53.42 | M06w | and where can I find that |
| 22:54.47 | M06w | nvm, found it |
| 22:55.06 | M06w | how how do I do it? |
| 22:55.58 | xperia2 | abrotman: thanks a lot for the info. didnt know i can msg the bot ! will stop now aking him in in chat |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | xperia2: the bot still doesn't know .. do you even understand what your'e doing ? |
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| 22:58.10 | xperia2 | abrotman: yes i understand what i am doing but it looks like that this bot dont support the seen function. normally he should output a message like "chf was seen 3 days ago .last message was bye" |
| 22:58.28 | M06w | yes, but the bot has not seen chf |
| 22:58.30 | abrotman | yes, the bot does support it |
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| 22:59.39 | M06w | if you ask a man if he has seen a cat, and he has not, then later you ask him if he has seen a cat, and he still has not, does he not have the capacity to see cats? |
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| 22:59.51 | abrotman | so maybe you don't understand ... |
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| 23:00.26 | xperia2 | abrotman: okay i have tested the bot with my name and it worked. so te problem must be the username. |
| 23:00.43 | abrotman | so maybe you don't understand ... |
| 23:01.04 | xperia2 | the starnge thing is that days ago i have chated with a user here in the debian channel and his name was chf |
| 23:01.18 | M06w | why do evil villians make fortresses with hallways large enough for gigantogirls to gigantosize? |
| 23:01.27 | xperia2 | i just wanted to know if he is online and if yes where |
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| 23:02.10 | iluminator101 | still unable to view .mov files in debian squeeze any suggestions |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | xperia2: right .. so you do *not* understand what you're doing .. google "irc primer" look at the whois command |
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| 23:03.06 | darkblue_B | ok, I have followed this minimal path, so I am in a shell now booted on the new system.. I filled in a repo in sources.list.. what is the defualt GUI for Deb5 ?? blue background? |
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| 23:03.38 | abrotman | darkblue_B: which GUI do you want? |
| 23:03.51 | abrotman | darkblue_B: and what do you mean you 'filled out' the sources.list ? |
| 23:03.56 | darkblue_B | I dont know the choices.. |
| 23:04.00 | xperia2 | abrotman: i dont understand what is such hard to understand calling a function with the name of the user. i will now google for "irc primer" |
| 23:04.27 | darkblue_B | I have two debian machines .. same 5.01.. I copied some lines from their sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | darkblue_B: aptitude update && aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
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| 23:05.29 | darkblue_B | ok, working |
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| 23:08.36 | iluminator101 | can anyone tell me how to get .mov files playing in debian squeeze |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | you just play them .. they work here |
| 23:09.34 | xperia2 | abrotman: dont understand what you want to tell me exactly. have read the irc primer page and the whois section but the whois command give me no results for any users when aking the bot |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | xperia2: you read the wrong thing, or don't know how to read .. the "seen" command only works if that person has been in this channel, which as far as my logs know, hasn't happened .. if you were actually smart enough to read, you'd know that if you used "/whois chf" you'd see the guy is currently on freenode |
| 23:10.51 | nsadmin | what can I do to add flash to konq? |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | !tell nsadmin about adobe flash |
| 23:12.00 | nsadmin | ok, and how does that relate to konq? :) |
| 23:12.08 | abrotman | install the package .. |
| 23:12.12 | themill | nsadmin: tias |
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| 23:12.46 | abrotman | thinks sunday has infected nsadmin |
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| 23:14.13 | nsadmin | I had to ask since there was no mention of konq there. and may November bring you the rest and relaxation of a month o' sundays :) |
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| 23:18.55 | xperia2 | abrotman: thanks for the clarification. as first the whois call tell us that the user what i am searching for exist and is atm online. from my experience the seen function should return a output similar to "abrotman is currently on #debian (3h 2m 31s). Has said a total of 65 messages. Is idling for 3m 1s, last said: 'darkblue_B: aptitude update && aptitude install gnome gdm xorg'." |
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| 23:19.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | does `dupload` move files into the repository structure (/pool/<component>/<arch>/etc)? |
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| 23:19.41 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 23:19.47 | abrotman | xperia2: seriously? you still don't understand? 'chf' as far as multiple people can tell has *never* been in this channel. how would the bot possibly know about a person that has never been here? |
| 23:20.12 | RichiH | i would have expected my wallop to have of an effect :p |
| 23:20.13 | xperia2 | your bot know that |
| 23:20.17 | RichiH | wrong channel |
| 23:20.39 | RichiH | but you should all still go & download grml :p |
| 23:20.42 | xperia2 | abrotman: here a example |
| 23:20.48 | RichiH | ( http://grml.org/download/ ) |
| 23:20.53 | RichiH | <spam /> |
| 23:21.03 | xperia2 | abrotman: "xperia <n=chatzill@zux182-249.adsl.green.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 21d 2h 5m 12s ago, saying: 'great maestro. it was a great pleasure to learn and work today from and with you. wisch you a good night. bye'." |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | xperia2: please stop .. you don't understand .. just freaking drop it .. |
| 23:21.19 | streuner | RichiH: grml is Debian based ... |
| 23:21.36 | streuner | RichiH: some DDs are involved... |
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| 23:22.00 | streuner | so, grml isnt a bad option |
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| 23:22.15 | RichiH | streuner: i know |
| 23:22.30 | RichiH | streuner: grml is the single most useful live cd out there |
| 23:22.38 | babilen | likes grml and wishes everybody a good night. Until tomorrow.. |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | JamesBling: why did you msg me? |
| 23:22.54 | streuner | babilen: night |
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| 23:23.34 | streuner | RichiH: well, i didnt realize that at the first thought |
| 23:24.00 | abrotman | JamesBling: please stop msging me |
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| 23:24.44 | macrobat | iluminator101: play .mov files in iceweasel with gecko-mediaplayer :) |
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| 23:25.35 | darkblue_B | since this machine sits in my home office, maybe I should give KDE a whirl |
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| 23:26.12 | darkblue_B | I think the apt-get upgrade triggered a lot of packages, because this download is lengthy |
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| 23:26.57 | abrotman | JamesBling: can you speak now ? |
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| 23:27.08 | JamesBling | Checking... |
| 23:27.13 | JamesBling | Thanks abrotman. |
| 23:28.35 | JamesBling | Would anyone be interrested in doing some application testing involving dhcp-server ? |
| 23:28.35 | nsadmin | darkblue_B: maybe you should make a list of the things it's upgrading... |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | JamesBling: how is this related to Debian? |
| 23:28.58 | darkblue_B | well, I see evolution.. and I dont want that thing... |
| 23:29.07 | themill | JamesBling: don't make us regret that ban exception.... |
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| 23:29.28 | JamesBling | We use dhcp-servers ? Is it better asked in devel ? |
| 23:29.30 | nsadmin | what's it an exception to? |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: a ban |
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| 23:29.56 | nsadmin | duh :) |
| 23:30.00 | abrotman | JamesBling: this channel is to support Debian users .. |
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| 23:30.05 | nsadmin | yes, I know that part :P |
| 23:30.16 | JamesBling | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 23:31.54 | nsadmin | JamesBling: do you run debian yourself? |
| 23:33.20 | JamesBling | nsadmin: I run most systems myself. I use Ubuntu 9.10 and Debian Etch, *BSD, Fedora and so on. I do this because i code alot for OSS systems. |
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| 23:33.56 | Misantropo | i tried to move from lenny to squeeze, what i did is change every match of lenny in sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade... After that i don't see pidgin latest version (2.6.3-1) but the one in lenny. Another thing is dbus-daemon --session is not running and i have this error when running gnome-do: http://pastebin.com/m7d74e42c |
| 23:34.06 | nsadmin | you should consider adding lenny, squeeze and maybe even sid |
| 23:34.29 | nsadmin | I suggest sid since that's where the action is, devwise |
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| 23:34.57 | JamesBling | nsadmin: I have no need to do this as i always release perfect code for each dist. |
| 23:35.22 | themill | Misantropo: you most likely need "aptitude full-upgrade" to actually move you from lenny to squeeze properly. Watch carefully what it's wanting to do. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 23:35.37 | nsadmin | also, are you in contact with your downstream debian maint? |
| 23:35.49 | Misantropo | themill: thanks |
| 23:36.29 | JamesBling | nsadmin: are you talking to me ? ... add my nick first in that case. |
| 23:36.40 | nsadmin | Misantropo: and if it exists, you should read squeeze release notes for upgrade instructions |
| 23:36.46 | nsadmin | JamesBling: yep |
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| 23:36.55 | Misantropo | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 23:37.43 | JamesBling | nsadmin: ok, yeah... i have many downstreams, but also upstreams. We get along nicely thank you very much. |
| 23:38.45 | nsadmin | JamesBling: your debian downstream would be testing initially under unstable, as you know |
| 23:39.19 | JamesBling | nsadmin: I have many downstreams as you know. The more the better. |
| 23:39.25 | nsadmin | of course, if you always write perfect code, you'd never need to see the testing :) |
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| 23:41.19 | JamesBling | nsadmin: I write code, when i leave a dist, such as "somedist" there are no flaws in the current code-base. Ive coded one security flaw over a 10 year period though ;) |
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| 23:41.46 | JamesBling | nsadmin: where "dist" is "dist"-"version". |
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| 23:43.07 | nsadmin | JamesBling: *shrug* ok, you were the one who asked for testers... another way: post to debian-user, or collaborate with your downstream who would arrange for testers under debian |
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| 23:43.50 | JamesBling | nsadmin: I want testers that i can work with. Not casual and semi ignorant ones. |
| 23:43.50 | nsadmin | maybe the latter is preferred if your downstream has sufficient free time |
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| 23:44.09 | nsadmin | then definitely the latter is preferred |
| 23:44.19 | JamesBling | nsadmin: People on irc are the best testers. |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | JamesBling: this is a channel to support Debian, not for you to find software testers. |
| 23:44.44 | nsadmin | have you visited ##linux? |
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| 23:45.01 | JamesBling | We are done now. Thanks i guess. |
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