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| 00:00.11 | CosaNostra | They hijacked my wgetting |
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| 00:00.22 | BlueG | jpinx-eeepc: issues with yahoo? I didn't think there had been problems with that since 2.5.8 |
| 00:00.40 | CosaNostra | :( |
| 00:00.46 | BlueG | jpinx-eeepc: I know, that's what I want to use my webcam with. :-) |
| 00:01.03 | BlueG | I prefer XMPP versus the proprietary networks anyway |
| 00:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: yahoo changed it's servers an doesn't connect now |
| 00:01.23 | callerten | CosaNostra, probably be better just to buy it from a vendor since they seem hellbent on stopping you :/ |
| 00:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | is considering compiling a patch to fix it |
| 00:02.13 | BlueG | jpinx-eeepc: they changed it again? and broke the shiny new 2.6 series? Or are you still thinking of everything <2.5.7 or so? |
| 00:02.26 | BlueG | backports has 2.6.2 |
| 00:02.34 | callerten | maybe someone could create a jpeg-embedded copy of the distro, but it would take forever to download |
| 00:02.40 | callerten | err of the iso |
| 00:02.41 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: zinc works for yahoo chat |
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| 00:03.02 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: it is *not* a pidgin issue - Yahoo is b0rked in everything but there own windows client |
| 00:03.09 | jpinx-eeepc | *their |
| 00:03.13 | BlueG | my 2.5.9 (custom built) is connected to yahoo right now |
| 00:03.56 | BlueG | and GYachI on an Ubuntu machine in the next room is connecting and doing webcam on yahoo. |
| 00:03.56 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: cool - you might have fixed it in your customisation ;) |
| 00:04.22 | BlueG | jpinx-eeepc: all I did was build it. I didn't apply any patches or anything |
| 00:04.29 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: ok |
| 00:05.02 | CosaNostra | Okay, this is really crazy. The woman that works at the ISP told me that I am doing an illegal download. |
| 00:05.25 | CosaNostra | I said that Debian is free, and the ISP says that operating systems are illegal to download. |
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| 00:05.54 | ranix | you are trolling CosaNostra |
| 00:05.55 | EricTheHax | âââ |
| 00:06.00 | EricTheHax | TROLL |
| 00:06.03 | BlueG | I had issues with it a while back. I think 2.5.6 quit working, 2.5.7 fixed it but contacts never went back offline, and 2.5.8 was working normally again. Or maybe that was 2.5.7, 2.5.8, and 2.5.9, respectively... |
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| 00:06.48 | CosaNostra | No, they said "downloading is not allowed on our networks" |
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| 00:07.08 | EricTheHax | downloading not allowed? downloading in general? |
| 00:07.16 | CosaNostra | I better not tell them that web browsers download. |
| 00:07.38 | CosaNostra | I think they mean "downloading" in the context of downloading software or music. |
| 00:07.39 | BlueG | ROFL |
| 00:07.42 | holloh | CosaNostra: did you say this was some Christian ISP? |
| 00:07.42 | EricTheHax | what isp do u have |
| 00:07.57 | CosaNostra | Yeah, Christian Opendoor Internet |
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| 00:08.04 | CosaNostra | They are very small and rural. |
| 00:08.11 | jpinx-eeepc | CosaNostra: depends on how you're "downloading" |
| 00:08.26 | holloh | CosaNostra: tell her Debian is God's OS |
| 00:08.33 | CosaNostra | True. |
| 00:08.53 | EricTheHax | "Christian" is the problem. anything with "Christian" in its name is shit and will hate everything you do. |
| 00:08.57 | BlueG | There really is some truth there... ever heard of the Golden Rule? |
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| 00:09.06 | holloh | i'm going to get myself in trouble defining Debian in here, lol |
| 00:09.09 | themill | EricTheHax: let's not go down that path... |
| 00:09.12 | ranix | yo |
| 00:09.17 | ranix | no trollin' in #debian |
| 00:09.25 | EricTheHax | hes not trolling |
| 00:09.30 | ranix | no, you |
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| 00:09.34 | EricTheHax | me? |
| 00:09.46 | dondelelcaro | EricTheHax, CosaNostra: ISPs aren't on topic here; please drop it or discuss it elsewhere. |
| 00:10.04 | EricTheHax | it dealt with debian.... |
| 00:10.08 | CosaNostra | Ironically, I was able to backup my Madonna CD collection to my colo. |
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| 00:10.22 | jpinx-eeepc | CosaNostra: get over to #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:11.15 | saptech | greetings earthlings |
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| 00:12.22 | BackInAcTion | does that Power Macintosh G3 Blue and White not support USB keyboards very early in the boot process? |
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| 00:13.29 | saptech | BackInAcTion: I would think so. does it have ps/2 port also? |
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| 00:17.56 | infid | anyone know how to install PDO for PHP in debian? |
| 00:18.31 | ranix | !pdo |
| 00:18.31 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 00:18.46 | ranix | !tla |
| 00:18.46 | dpkg | hmm... tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch> |
| 00:18.54 | ranix | I am not familiar with your TLA |
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| 00:19.19 | mesa_booger | !etla |
| 00:19.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, etla is Extended TLA |
| 00:19.39 | infid | i have tried searching and it doesnt show anythin for PDO |
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| 00:35.15 | qiyong | what program creates dirs in /media? |
| 00:35.44 | jpinx-eeepc | qiyong: whatever is detecing hotplug events - udev I believe |
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| 00:37.30 | qiyong | jpinx-eeepc: i inserted some usb disk, and only after i opened some file manager, new dirs appear in /media and mounted? why? |
| 00:37.54 | qiyong | jpinx-eeepc: what program does the mkdir and mount? |
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| 00:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | it's automatic :) |
| 00:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | udev afaik |
| 00:38.24 | mr_crowley | asdf |
| 00:38.46 | qiyong | jpinx-eeepc: so controled in some udev conf? |
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| 00:39.14 | qiyong | jpinx-eeepc: create as disk, disk-1 or vol label |
| 00:39.52 | delsvr | there is a java library I need that has "default-jdk" as a dependency, but I already have sun-java6-jdk installed. Is there a way to tell apt that default-jdk is fulfilled by sun's jdk? |
| 00:40.05 | jpinx-eeepc | qiyong: you have the total of my knowledge ;) |
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| 00:42.39 | CosaNostra | Hmm |
| 00:43.12 | CosaNostra | BackInAcTion: Did you get into openfirmware yet? |
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| 00:44.29 | dec3pti0n | anyone uses postgres on debian ? |
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| 00:45.14 | cwheeler | I have some |
| 00:46.42 | dec3pti0n | cwheeler, do you know why when pg fails to startup due to shmax or some config type, the debian wrapper tells to check the log for the error but nothing is ever logged ? |
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| 00:47.01 | cwheeler | yes you need to increase some shared resourse |
| 00:47.16 | dec3pti0n | huh ? |
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| 00:47.31 | cwheeler | does it say why it fails? |
| 00:47.59 | cwheeler | postgres uses sysv ipc to communicate, you have to have enough shared memory and semaphors |
| 00:48.36 | dec3pti0n | cwheeler, that was just an example ... if I force to fail to startup due to improper shmax or whatever typo on the config ... debian never logs it netiher spits the error to stdout |
| 00:49.22 | cwheeler | whatever resourse it says it needs more of you need to increase |
| 00:50.08 | cwheeler | as I recall root can write to the files in /proc/sysvipc/ to set the amount of shared memory or semaphores |
| 00:50.25 | cwheeler | try starting postgres from the command line so you can see the message |
| 00:50.32 | qiyong | where can I download the full packages of testing or unstable? |
| 00:50.37 | dec3pti0n | cwheeler, I'm not troubleshooting a real postgresql issue but the fact that the debian postgres wrapper for pg_ctl which does not report any logs for those types of startup failures |
| 00:50.40 | qiyong | full DVDs |
| 00:53.33 | CosaNostra | Too bad I can't get a list of apt packages on the first Debian install CD-ROM for i386. |
| 00:53.36 | Theoden | is listening to Symphony in B Minor, WQ 182-5, H661 - III. Presto by CPE Bach - Hartmut Haenchen - Kammerorchester |
| 00:53.47 | cwheeler | I don't understand what you need to know them dec3pti0n ? |
| 00:53.48 | Theoden | Damn - wrong channel ... sory sory sorry. |
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| 00:54.02 | CosaNostra | is listening to Madonna - Like a Virgin |
| 00:54.09 | phix | hey, anyone got SOGo working under Debian? I am having issues |
| 00:55.54 | markybob | phix, looks like an ajax version of thunderbird mixed in with sunbird. not sure i see the appeal |
| 00:56.45 | markybob | oh, i forgot sunbird changed it's name :P |
| 00:57.17 | phix | it did? |
| 00:57.27 | phix | oh yeah :) in debian it is |
| 00:57.27 | markybob | to lightning |
| 00:57.30 | phix | changed |
| 00:57.31 | phix | no |
| 00:57.38 | phix | icebird or seomthing |
| 00:58.02 | phix | iceweasel, icedove, etc |
| 00:58.08 | markybob | phinaliumz, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/ |
| 00:58.13 | markybob | phix, * |
| 00:58.16 | phix | I love how anal Debian is :) |
| 00:58.39 | phix | markybob: no, lightning is a pluging / extension for Thunderbird, Sunbird is a standalone version |
| 00:58.53 | markybob | i see |
| 00:59.12 | markybob | phix, really though, why? why hot google for your domain? google calendar and gmail are amazing |
| 00:59.13 | delsvr | anyone know why sun-java6-jdk doesn't satisfy default-jdk? or how I can get it to effectively do so? |
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| 00:59.27 | markybob | phix, why not* |
| 00:59.34 | phix | markybob: but that requires giving google my contact / clients information |
| 00:59.49 | phix | markybob: That sounds like a privacy violation for my client |
| 00:59.50 | phix | s |
| 00:59.54 | markybob | ah, paranoid. ok. that's valid |
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| 01:00.18 | markybob | phix, to a certain extent. in large part email is transferred in plain text anyway |
| 01:00.28 | phix | markybob: I know :) |
| 01:00.42 | phix | markybob: but clients don't usually relise or care about that |
| 01:01.05 | phix | some do care that their information is being stored on an external server / using a free service |
| 01:01.44 | phix | which is why I want to setup an internal shared address book |
| 01:01.46 | phix | and calendar |
| 01:02.13 | markybob | phix, or you could tell your people to wait for google wave. they're going to open source that so you can have you local wave installation :D |
| 01:02.46 | phix | oh nice |
| 01:02.51 | phix | that would be good |
| 01:03.06 | phix | BRB |
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| 01:05.26 | ksnp | what is the difference between system and normal users in linux ? |
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| 01:07.14 | infid | ksnp normal users are people? |
| 01:07.19 | dkr | ksnp: system users have logins disabled bye dfault |
| 01:07.37 | dkr | ksnp: and they have uids within a certain range |
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| 01:14.05 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:19.08 | squisher | evening, does anyone know how usable neatx is? |
| 01:19.29 | squisher | I'm having tons of annoying issues with freenx and need something that's more stable than that... (without going to nomachine, obviously) |
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| 01:22.07 | squisher | heh, wrong time to ask it seems :-) |
| 01:23.20 | dkr | E: Unable to locate package neatx |
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| 01:24.23 | reZo | hi, can anyone direct me to a intel sound howto, for laptops |
| 01:24.35 | reZo | i can play music files, but it gives no sound |
| 01:24.45 | squisher | reZo, usually an alsa problem |
| 01:24.53 | squisher | did you make sure nothing is muted / at 0 volume? |
| 01:25.00 | reZo | okay, i'm not sure where to start with this, so yeah |
| 01:25.07 | reZo | yeah, i did |
| 01:25.11 | squisher | open up a console, use alsamixer |
| 01:25.15 | reZo | by default nothing was muted, and master etc had sound |
| 01:25.17 | squisher | that's the best one IMHO to see everything |
| 01:25.25 | squisher | sometimes weird channels matter :-) |
| 01:25.28 | dkr | running alsaconf usually helps |
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| 01:26.19 | reZo | yeah, i tried alsaconf |
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| 01:27.50 | reZo | hmmm, just checked alsamixer, everything is maxed, but still no sound |
| 01:27.59 | reZo | i'ts a fresh "Desktop" net installation |
| 01:28.11 | reZo | alsaconf has been executed, |
| 01:28.17 | squisher | reZo, googled your sound card? |
| 01:28.30 | squisher | You can try #alsa, but afaik they're not very active in that channel |
| 01:28.32 | reZo | i've tried |
| 01:28.36 | reZo | okay |
| 01:28.42 | squisher | are there known issues for it? |
| 01:28.49 | reZo | not that i'm aware of |
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| 01:28.55 | squisher | hm, that's odd then |
| 01:28.59 | squisher | checked the module options? |
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| 01:29.05 | squisher | maybe autodetection failed |
| 01:29.07 | reZo | i haven't |
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| 01:29.24 | squisher | for some also modules there are options |
| 01:29.24 | reZo | oh, auto detection in alsaconf found two cards, one modem and one onboard sound |
| 01:29.30 | reZo | i configured it to use onboard sound |
| 01:29.31 | squisher | that's ok |
| 01:29.44 | squisher | oh have you tried speaker-test? |
| 01:29.54 | reZo | nope, /me does that |
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| 01:30.04 | squisher | also a good way to check for issues, and yes, make sure the onboard sound is the "first" sound card |
| 01:30.09 | squisher | that has bit me in the butt before :) |
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| 01:30.26 | reZo | hehe |
| 01:30.36 | reZo | so where are the modules located for selecting cards etc? |
| 01:30.40 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! How do I get into the detailed installation, where one gets to select individual packages etc? Thanks |
| 01:30.49 | reZo | can't hear anything via speaker-test |
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| 01:31.28 | squisher | reZo, if you open alsamixer, does it list your soundcard top left? |
| 01:31.53 | reZo | yes |
| 01:32.00 | squisher | ok, then it's the first card |
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| 01:32.08 | reZo | okay |
| 01:32.16 | RedLance | How can I tell if I have what I need (library wise) to compile a program from source? |
| 01:32.24 | squisher | I don't remember where to look up the module options... first check what module it's using with lsmod | grep snd_, then try to google for it |
| 01:32.36 | squisher | RedLance, is it packaged for debian? |
| 01:33.01 | reZo | lots of snd's listed |
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| 01:34.21 | RedLance | squisher: It is, but I need a newer version then the one that is packaged. |
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| 01:35.39 | reZo | hmmm, squisher, would modprobing another driver cause harm do you think? |
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| 01:40.01 | squisher | RedLance, chances are build-deps are the same |
| 01:40.03 | squisher | apt-get build-dep |
| 01:40.06 | squisher | or read the readme |
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| 01:40.14 | squisher | or just try out ./configure and see what it complains about |
| 01:40.25 | BackLash|TheFly | how would i go about getting xserver 1.6 (or anything higher than 1.4 for that matter) |
| 01:40.38 | RedLance | squisher: Thanks |
| 01:41.34 | BackLash|TheFly | backports seems to think im up to date but xserver >1.5 is so much better |
| 01:43.07 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, that's because 1.6 is only available in testing and sid |
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| 01:43.44 | BackLash|TheFly | yuuup and i want it |
| 01:43.49 | BackLash|TheFly | specifically it |
| 01:43.52 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, so use testing |
| 01:43.53 | BackLash|TheFly | nothing else just xorg |
| 01:44.01 | ksnp | what's the differnece between system and normal user ? |
| 01:44.04 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, doest work that way |
| 01:44.07 | BackLash|TheFly | tried that..wasted 4 dvds that wouldnt boot |
| 01:44.10 | markybob | ksnp, you were already told |
| 01:44.21 | BackLash|TheFly | faulty installer |
| 01:44.30 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, you dont need any dvds. just change /etc/apt/sources.list and then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:44.43 | BackLash|TheFly | dependencies break |
| 01:44.46 | BackLash|TheFly | bad idea |
| 01:45.02 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, then give us error messages and specific breaks. you're telling us nothing |
| 01:45.09 | macrobat | K_Dallas: you dont select pkgs in the installer, you reboot and install stuff with (for example) aptitude |
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| 01:45.51 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, it's not happening without upgrading the majority of your system to testing, and you'd be better off doing the entire thing because the changes are so huge |
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| 01:46.12 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah... last time i did it it messed a bunch up thpo |
| 01:46.15 | BackLash|TheFly | tho* |
| 01:46.31 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, too bad. give specifics or you're wasting everyone's time, including your own |
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| 01:47.06 | BackLash|TheFly | im sorry for not having memory of exact errors from an install i formatted a week ago |
| 01:47.11 | BackLash|TheFly | ill try again and tell you |
| 01:47.20 | markybob | !lenny->squeeze |
| 01:47.26 | BlueG | Confirmed: Pidgin 2.6.2 from lenny-backports is now installable and working. Voice and Video are still disabled however, due to dependancy issues. Oh, well. |
| 01:47.28 | funkyHat | Can I attach a patchfile to a bug when I first report it? |
| 01:48.22 | markybob | BackLash|TheFly, check your messages |
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| 01:49.46 | BackLash|TheFly | i did im busy changing my apt sources |
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| 01:50.03 | funkyHat | Or does it have to be inline in the message body? |
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| 01:50.18 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 01:50.18 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
| 01:50.32 | BlueG | LOL |
| 01:50.38 | d1b | funkyHat: probably attach it and inline it. |
| 01:50.43 | d1b | depending on how long it is. |
| 01:51.27 | funkyHat | d1b: 90 lines |
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| 01:51.48 | d1b | funkyHat: probably just inline it. |
| 01:52.29 | funkyHat | wonders how to pipe into an already open vim session... ^_- |
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| 01:52.45 | funkyHat | Or i could just be less lazy and open the patch and copy it |
| 01:52.49 | Darkedge | Anyone know any cool |
| 01:52.56 | Darkedge | "mods" for Linux? |
| 01:53.02 | Darkedge | xD OK State it THIS way: Debian "mods" E.G To make Debian load faster and stuff... |
| 01:53.28 | K_Dallas | macrobat, I know but in the old times, with the text based installer, I had the option to individually select what I needed. I didnt't have to chose GNOME for instance and accept whatever was in it but pick the components of GNOME that I needed. I think it is still possible but don't know how |
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| 01:55.27 | BackLash|TheFly | andddd spew update text |
| 01:55.31 | BackLash|TheFly | gets coffee |
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| 01:57.22 | funkyHat | Thanks d1b :) |
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| 02:02.16 | BackLash|TheFly | hehehe it looks so funny when the screen adjusts while lenny upgrades to squeeze |
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| 02:04.17 | Simon14 | when i run ifconfig, my wifi connection is name eth1, and doesn't appear in network-manager |
| 02:04.27 | ksnp | is the only difference between system and normal users is uid number and whether or not they hvae login ? |
| 02:04.39 | BackLash|TheFly | i wanna impletement a --lazy tag so if i dont wanna click yes on everything itll automatically do it |
| 02:04.56 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
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| 02:11.23 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: I did not get into Open Firmware on that Power Mac G3 Blue and White yet |
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| 02:12.19 | BackInAcTion | saptech: The Power Macintosh G3 does not have a PS/2 port, but it does have a ADB port... |
| 02:13.13 | BackInAcTion | I'll brb |
| 02:13.23 | saptech | Well it should boot with usb keyboard |
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| 02:17.51 | BackLash|TheFly | so the squeeze migration broke almost every icon |
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| 02:18.32 | BackLash|TheFly | had to reinstall mousepad for some unknown reason |
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| 02:23.17 | dtamborelli | to install debian lenny I need to download just the first cd... right? please help me... |
| 02:24.08 | BackLash|TheFly | fixed fonts by changing theme to tango |
| 02:24.13 | BackLash|TheFly | er icons not fonts |
| 02:26.00 | LtL | dtamborelli: right, cd 1 lenny is all you'll need. |
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| 02:29.01 | dtamborelli | LtL, thank you very much... :) |
| 02:29.20 | LtL | dtamborelli: anytime |
| 02:29.24 | Flexa | Pessoal algum de vcs marcaram provas pelo prometric estes dias? O site está com problemas? |
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| 02:29.58 | Flexa | Tentei 10 vezes e ele não efetiva o pagamento todas as 10 ficaram no histórico de cancelamentos |
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| 02:30.44 | Flexa | Sorry im |
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| 02:38.14 | Darkedge | Anyone know any cool |
| 02:38.18 | Darkedge | "mods" for Linux? |
| 02:38.25 | Darkedge | xD OK State it THIS way: Debian "mods" E.G To make Debian load faster and stuff... |
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| 02:40.00 | Xenguy | Darkedge: I think I saw an article along those lines today, somewhere online |
| 02:40.28 | Andorin | Yo, guys, I am getting REALLY sick of Debian lag. General lag in graphics. I would seriously love some input on wtf is causing this and how to fix it. Thread for more info. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45423 |
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| 02:48.15 | sime__ | Has anyone managed to get tokyo tyrant to start on boot into debian (its not available in the repositories)? |
| 02:48.50 | sime__ | boot in* debian, not into |
| 02:53.50 | KDE4000 | hey, Iptables question for ya, how could i forward port 9090 to port 80 on same machine (process on port 9090 is not running as root, so i want to bind it to a lower port) oh yeah and since this machine has multiple ips i only want to bind that 80 to one ip on this box |
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| 02:54.38 | nsx | redirect target |
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| 02:55.27 | KDE4000 | i saw a comamnd for linux 2.4, do you think it would be compatible with 2.6 also? |
| 02:55.44 | nsx | yes, it is |
| 02:56.03 | nsx | so hm. I want to try the webkit epiphany but it exists only in unstable. I keep unstable as a source, but of course keep it pinned down, but the unstable epiphany-browser depends on many libraries from the unstable repo... |
| 02:56.05 | nsx | so do I try it? :p |
| 02:57.22 | KDE4000 | iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT --src 0/0 --dst 127.0.0.1. -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9090 |
| 02:57.34 | KDE4000 | but i need it just to forward from one IP on this machine |
| 02:58.26 | mortsmel | screams like a _____. |
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| 02:58.46 | KDE4000 | the incomming ip that is, not the one im fowarding it to |
| 02:58.58 | nsx | screams like a mouse? |
| 02:59.02 | mortsmel | ya |
| 02:59.04 | mortsmel | that works |
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| 02:59.43 | nsx | KDE4000, then use a real -s (--src) argument |
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| 03:00.57 | nsx | I also don't think your --dst argument is correct, unless you're redirecting only connections *from* your local machine *to* your local machine, to another port on that same local machine |
| 03:01.31 | KDE4000 | from internet interface to service on all ips port 9090 |
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| 03:02.19 | nsx | then use -s with the appropriate ip and get rid of your --dst argument |
| 03:03.17 | KDE4000 | so without --dst what will it forward to? |
| 03:03.49 | nsx | it forwards *to* the local machine |
| 03:03.52 | nsx | that's what REDIRECT Is for |
| 03:03.59 | KDE4000 | kk good then |
| 03:04.01 | KDE4000 | il try it |
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| 03:04.55 | nachos | harro |
| 03:04.56 | nachos | ive got a virtual interface setup as eth0:1 and its ip address is on the same subnet as eth0, when running a L2TP service, what happens is that during the L2TP phase after IPSEC has completed sucsessfully the system's routes are wrong and sends data out the wrong interface ( that being eth0 instead of eth0:1 ) so i add a static route and then it works fine, but the problem is... |
| 03:05.05 | nachos | the static route becomes defunct and xl2tpd starts sending data from eth0 again instead of eth0:1 |
| 03:05.09 | nachos | its not just xl2tpd |
| 03:05.11 | nachos | ping also |
| 03:06.08 | KDE4000 | http://pastebin.ca/1605951 hm? |
| 03:06.25 | Andorin | Yo, guys, I am getting REALLY sick of Debian lag. General lag in graphics. I would seriously love some input on wtf is causing this and how to fix it. Thread for more info. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45423 |
| 03:07.24 | nsx | first off, you need to use prerouting |
| 03:07.40 | nsx | secondly, you're only going to list nat rules by using iptables -t nat -L |
| 03:07.50 | nsx | (PREROUTING instead of OUTPUT) |
| 03:09.15 | nsx | you might also want to use -i <interface> |
| 03:09.19 | nsx | or else you could get unexpected results |
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| 03:13.57 | KDE4000 | it seems iptables is using that port now, but it doesnt show in iptables -L ? |
| 03:14.42 | nsx | (11:07:39 PM) <nsx> secondly, you're only going to list nat rules by using iptables -t nat -L |
| 03:14.48 | KDE4000 | oh sorry |
| 03:16.09 | Darkedge | I know Ubuntu is based on Debian but if you don't mind me asking, Why is Debian like 5.0 and Ubuntu's like 9.04? |
| 03:18.14 | zinx | uhm, because they're different distributions |
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| 03:18.35 | zinx | they have completely different version schemes, and even if they didn't they may still be different... |
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| 03:18.52 | zinx | or do you also wonder why Firefox is at 3.5 but IE is at 8.0? |
| 03:20.43 | ret | because FF doesn't need retarded amounts of updates to be superior |
| 03:20.44 | ret | ^_^ |
| 03:21.02 | KDE4000 | http://pastebin.com/d5e90da50 still not working however |
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| 03:26.01 | markybob | sets his alarm to watch the moon crash |
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| 03:26.40 | ksnp | anyone use truecrypt here ? |
| 03:26.52 | markybob | here we go again... |
| 03:26.55 | markybob | !anyone |
| 03:26.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:27.48 | ksnp | ok, i want to use truecrypt to encrypt the entire disk and run OS on top of that, could'nt find much for debian on this |
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| 03:28.17 | markybob | ksnp, dont. lenny supports this via the installer with dmcrypt. use that instead |
| 03:29.08 | markybob | ksnp, lenny was the only distro at the time that it was released to support root encryption. use it...it's gooood :) |
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| 03:35.26 | ksnp | markybob, cool |
| 03:36.03 | ksnp | i'll look that up |
| 03:36.06 | ksnp | is the performance good ? |
| 03:36.19 | ksnp | i suppose it does the encryption on the fly ? |
| 03:36.41 | markybob | ksnp, it's on the fly. i've been using it for two years...great performance |
| 03:37.07 | Xenguy | markybob: dmcrypt > truecrypt ? |
| 03:37.37 | markybob | Xenguy, eh, that'a holy war. i'm a dmcrypt guy, but that's like comparing gnome to kde |
| 03:38.18 | Xenguy | markybob: hrm, well I trust your judgement, so if it is 6 of one, and a half dozen of the other, you know ... :-) |
| 03:38.43 | markybob | Xenguy, trust debian's judgment. it uses dmcrypt |
| 03:38.43 | Xenguy | BTW I like gnome, does that help? :P |
| 03:38.52 | Xenguy | markybob: sounds good |
| 03:40.17 | k]t | is anyone using 3+ screens? |
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| 03:41.11 | Fersure | Hi. How come there are no debian squeeze cd/dvd builds available atm? |
| 03:42.12 | _Trinity_ | hiall |
| 03:42.16 | markybob | Fersure, there are. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 03:42.48 | Fersure | markybob: I see nothing under "i386" |
| 03:43.01 | Fersure | no images, no md5sums or sha1sums. nothing |
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| 03:43.29 | markybob | Fersure, my fault. didnt notice that. dont know |
| 03:43.43 | Fersure | It's odd. |
| 03:43.52 | Fersure | I was hoping to install squeeze inside a vm. |
| 03:44.07 | markybob | Fersure, you might want to consider a chroot instead |
| 03:44.27 | Xenguy | markybob: cryptmount in debian ? |
| 03:45.00 | markybob | Xenguy, yes, since etch |
| 03:45.07 | Xenguy | markybob: tx |
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| 03:46.41 | Simon14 | i'm having wifi problems, i just got a lenovo thinkpad G530, it has a broadcom BCM4312 in it and i can't seem to get it to work. i managed to get the interface to show up under iwconfig as eth1 but i can't seem to find any networks with the network manager |
| 03:46.48 | ksnp | markybob, is it possible to encrypt just few folders on the fly instead also with dmcrypt ? |
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| 03:47.57 | Xenguy | ksnp: I'm getting the impression cryptmount is all or nothing (which works for me) |
| 03:48.19 | Xenguy | ksnp: but I'm brand new to cryptmount |
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| 03:57.51 | clarjon1 | Fersure |
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| 03:58.06 | Fersure | clarjon1: ? |
| 03:58.36 | clarjon1 | This Has Everything Good And Manly, Eh? |
| 03:58.44 | Fersure | rofl |
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| 04:00.47 | ksnp | Xenguy, did you try truecrypt ? |
| 04:01.02 | droid7 | Can anyone suggest to me a fast mirror for east coast US ? I'm having issues with ftp.debian.us atm :( |
| 04:02.34 | markybob | droid7, i always use osuosl. they have 3 separate locations throughout the country at 300Mbit/s each |
| 04:02.49 | Fersure | droid7: I don't live in the US, but I'd suggest one that's hosted at a uni or such. I use oxford university's one and have no issues. |
| 04:02.51 | markybob | droid7, http://debian.osuosl.org/ |
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| 04:04.04 | droid7 | thanks guys, i'll try them out |
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| 04:04.50 | mischief | awww, come on. my build of aptitude failed due to "sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unterminated `s' command" |
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| 04:04.54 | mischief | how lame is that |
| 04:05.20 | droid7 | sweet, the osuosl works great |
| 04:05.20 | markybob | droid7, they get about $300k every year from google...you can pretty much always count on osuosl being the fastest in the continental US |
| 04:05.54 | droid7 | markybob: wow, i could use some of that :p |
| 04:06.12 | clarjon1 | I'd like in on that cut! |
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| 04:06.25 | droid7 | i wonder how much youtubers make on average |
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| 04:27.18 | xlt | how do you detect/tell if dma is enabled on my drives? |
| 04:29.11 | droid7 | what's the difference between the packages "ssh" and "openssh-server" |
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| 04:30.23 | naquad | droid7, ssh is a metapackage |
| 04:30.35 | droid7 | ah, i see now |
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| 04:44.12 | Simon14 | is it bad if my wifi card is listed as eth1? |
| 04:45.11 | mortsmel | not really ... i mean as long as you can still control it then thats good |
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| 04:46.38 | tntc | Simon14: why would that be bad? |
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| 04:47.05 | Simon14 | i'm used to it being listed as wlan |
| 04:47.13 | Simon14 | and i'm not getting anywhere the way it is |
| 04:47.15 | mischief | odd. |
| 04:47.26 | tntc | iwconfig doesn't show any wireless extentions? |
| 04:48.03 | Simon14 | iwconfig lists eth1 as IEEE 802.11bg... |
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| 05:28.16 | Bohemian | hi all. i am installing debian and am stuck at the partition stage.. |
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| 05:28.46 | Bohemian | i have 6 partitions. i'd like to install debian on #1 but only use 30GB from the available 68GB, and only the free GB, ie. not lose any data on #1 |
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| 05:28.48 | Bohemian | is that possible? |
| 05:29.21 | zapoteco | dont proceed unless youve backed up |
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| 05:30.48 | Bohemian | zapoteco: of course. but what do i do to make this partition? |
| 05:32.37 | zapoteco | whats on your #1 partition now |
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| 05:33.02 | freeone3000 | !x |
| 05:33.13 | freeone3000 | !no, not that, the server |
| 05:33.16 | freeone3000 | !x11 |
| 05:33.16 | dpkg | hmm... x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients. X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 05:33.38 | Bohemian | zapoteco: a C drive on windwos. my applications basically |
| 05:33.47 | freeone3000 | Okay. How do I install X, then? I've got fluxbox installed. I installed xinit. I try 'startx'. It complains there is no X binary. |
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| 05:34.14 | Bohemian | freeone3000: there was an X11 bug recently |
| 05:34.18 | Bohemian | what's your xorg.conf say? |
| 05:34.24 | neoice | so I tried changing the 'nofiles' limit in /etc/security/limits.conf but it doesnt appear to have any effect. I've relogged in too |
| 05:34.31 | Bohemian | and are you using gdm? |
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| 05:36.32 | freeone3000 | Bohemian: No GDM. This was a netinstall, just getting around to Xorg. (After weeks, decided it'd be nice to *have*.) |
| 05:36.50 | freeone3000 | And /etc/X11/xorg.conf is a new file. Interesting. |
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| 05:37.20 | zapoteco | howd you install fluxbox |
| 05:37.29 | freeone3000 | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 05:37.50 | zapoteco | result from which startx |
| 05:38.13 | Bohemian | yeah, that's the bug freeone3000 |
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| 05:39.19 | hark | freeone3000: install the xorg package |
| 05:39.40 | freeone3000 | Okay, thanks. |
| 05:40.06 | freeone3000 | Ugh. 100MB of libraries. |
| 05:40.19 | freeone3000 | But I'll have graphics. That'll be.. completely worthless, but sorta cool. |
| 05:40.20 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
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| 05:40.36 | zapoteco | hmm, would've thought xorg was a dependency of fluxbox |
| 05:40.51 | zinx | zapoteco: not the server |
| 05:41.00 | zinx | the client libraries, however, yes. |
| 05:41.09 | zapoteco | cool, thanks |
| 05:41.21 | freeone3000 | xorg isn't. That's the thing. |
| 05:41.24 | zinx | (you don't need a server to use an X app on the machine) |
| 05:41.31 | freeone3000 | Ah. |
| 05:41.35 | zinx | you /do/ need a server if you want to view it on the machine. |
| 05:41.36 | freeone3000 | And it all becomes clear. |
| 05:41.45 | zapoteco | nifty |
| 05:41.49 | zinx | (you need a server somewhere - it can be on a different machine) |
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| 05:47.46 | foo2 | Hello all, I did a alsa unload cause I was having problems with sound after suspend and now alsa reload says it has nothing to load. How am I supposed to configure my card with alsaconf gone? |
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| 05:48.29 | freeone3000 | "X: user not authorized to run the X server". Interesting message. |
| 05:48.35 | freeone3000 | So should the X binary be set suid? |
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| 05:52.30 | foo2 | I did dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and now it loads modules but still does not find any soundcard. Any idea why? |
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| 05:54.26 | hark | foo2: does aplay -l list any cards? |
| 05:55.51 | foo2 | hark, No |
| 05:56.03 | hark | freeone3000: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and make sure console users is selected |
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| 05:56.21 | hark | foo2: what card? what does lspci -nn say about it? |
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| 05:58.47 | foo2 | hark, Hmm that's odd.... It seems to be missing from lspci... Its a revolution 7.1 from m-audio |
| 05:59.03 | zapoteco | lsusb? |
| 05:59.25 | zapoteco | oh its a card |
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| 06:00.09 | foo2 | kde said something about the card being removed while I was messing with alsa unload |
| 06:00.33 | freeone3000 | hark: Awesome, thanks. |
| 06:00.40 | foo2 | Hmm I have ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:05:02.0 disabled in dmesg |
| 06:01.39 | ZOO | hi, guys, I have 2 wireless adapters, one onboard intel 4965 while another one is a USB Ralink RT73. they are recognized as wlan0 and wlan1 respectively. because I attached the RT73 by an extending USB cable, therefore, it could get much better signal then the onboard 4965, THE PROBLEM is when I bring down the wlan0(4965), make the wicd applet to connect to a wireless AP via wlan1(RT73), everything looks fine, but can not PING or open any |
| 06:01.41 | ZOO | website in browser. P.S. if I use wlan0 to connect, it works well as I'm using wlan0 right now |
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| 06:02.30 | foo2 | Well, I am gonna head to bed and look at this in the morning. Thanks :) |
| 06:02.41 | Shtl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.00 | hark | foo2: try a modprobe ice1724 and check dmesg |
| 06:03.52 | hark | foo2: nothing with lspci|grep -i audio? |
| 06:03.54 | foo2 | hark, "FATAL: Module ice1724 not found." |
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| 06:04.35 | foo2 | hark, I get "05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)" but I think thats the onboard audio device |
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| 06:05.18 | hark | foo2: check with lspci -vvn |
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| 06:07.23 | hark | m-audio uses that via controller |
| 06:07.58 | foo2 | Ah, I see |
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| 06:08.14 | foo2 | So why won't alsa see it then? |
| 06:08.40 | foo2 | (I got a whole lot of "stuff" with the last lspci command) |
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| 06:09.31 | hark | foo2: show the line containing it when you run lspci -nn |
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| 06:09.55 | hark | foo2: lspci -nn |grep audio |
| 06:10.45 | foo2 | hark, "05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller [1412:1724] (rev 01)" |
| 06:11.00 | hark | judd: pciid 1412:1724 |
| 06:11.01 | judd | hark: [1412:1724] is 'VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller' from 'VIA Technologies Inc.' with kernel module 'snd-ice1724' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1412:1724 |
| 06:11.39 | hark | foo2: modprobe -r snd-ice1724 && modprobe snd-1724. check dmesg |
| 06:11.51 | foo2 | So that IS the device from dmesg "[235607.443369] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:05:02.0 disabled" |
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| 06:12.24 | foo2 | FATAL: Module snd_1724 not found. |
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| 06:13.41 | foo2 | However the file is there "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko" |
| 06:13.43 | hark | sorry, snd-ice1724 |
| 06:14.00 | simonrvn | depmod -Aa |
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| 06:14.12 | simonrvn | ..if that's your current kernel |
| 06:15.20 | foo2 | hark, Ah right. Perfect! My speakers popped and now sound works again! |
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| 06:16.40 | hark | foo2: cool :) |
| 06:17.04 | foo2 | hark, So do you know why alsa would not detect the card and load the module itself? |
| 06:17.47 | hark | because you unloaded it, i would guess |
| 06:18.17 | hark | do an alsa reload or alsa force-reload instead |
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| 06:19.28 | foo2 | hark, I normally do... Kinda forgot the re this time though... But there "should" be a way to make alsa go detect cards and load modules? Sound config use to be easy.... |
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| 06:24.13 | hark | yeah, must be some way. dunno |
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| 06:31.51 | _Trinity_ | g night |
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| 06:34.37 | LinuxNIT | is there a configuration for the acpi_cpufreq module? |
| 06:35.50 | penta | did you mean where? |
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| 06:36.29 | LinuxNIT | both i guess :) |
| 06:36.34 | LinuxNIT | if there is one... then where is it? |
| 06:38.18 | penta | perhaps into /proc fs |
| 06:39.56 | penta | unfortumately I've C-state cpu also I've not this future |
| 06:40.22 | penta | your P-state? |
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| 06:41.41 | LinuxNIT | what is P-state? pentium? |
| 06:41.47 | money | huh? |
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| 06:42.55 | foo2 | hark, Ok, well thanks for the help. I am at last off to bed. |
| 06:42.56 | Andorin | Yo, guys, I am getting REALLY sick of Debian lag. General lag in graphics. I would seriously love some input on wtf is causing this and how to fix it. Thread for more info. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45423 |
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| 06:44.34 | penta | p-state be able change frenquency |
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| 06:48.35 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 06:51.18 | penta | just try ls /proc/*acpi*/ |
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| 06:52.50 | sako | The _best_ server OS ever! |
| 06:53.08 | sako | okay, I'm done. |
| 06:54.20 | Shtl | i configured lenny installed PC as router, to which around 20 client PCs are connected, some times it automatically shut down, and some times restarts, what may be the reason any body know??? |
| 06:55.03 | mortsmel | probably hardware |
| 06:55.13 | mortsmel | or hd |
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| 06:56.21 | Parimal | check power cable, air flow of the processor and cabinate and last clean the memory module.. |
| 06:57.03 | mortsmel | that too |
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| 07:09.00 | Shtl | mortsmel: I am using NEC Versa E6000 Laptop with 256 MB RAM, some times it wont boot, it just hangs, and some times while booting it just struck up. what may be the reason, is it due to processor heat?? |
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| 07:11.09 | sako | hey guys I am changing over my servers to debian.. was throwing around CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian... |
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| 07:11.14 | sako | think I made the right choice? |
| 07:11.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt that a silly question in here? |
| 07:11.42 | sako | I feel like Ubuntu changes every 6 months.. no way I want to be reinstalling my servers.. |
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| 07:12.01 | sako | Kamping_Kaiser: eh I know you are all biased.. I just want some reassurance ;) |
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| 07:21.44 | qiyong | hello, where can i get the wifi firmware? are they in debian? |
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| 07:21.48 | qiyong | !wifi |
| 07:21.48 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 07:25.47 | Andorin | Does anyone here run xfce with Debian? Would you recommend it? I'm thinking of doing it so that my system doesn't lag so much... |
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| 07:27.49 | mick_laptop | Andorin: i used to, ya it is pretty good (i used xfce3 and xfce4) |
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| 07:28.02 | mick_laptop | not sure what version they are on now |
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| 07:28.49 | Andorin | I've never switched desktop environments before. If I understand it correctly, I install it, pick which environment on boot, and then it runs that environment with my system... and if I don't like an environment, I can remove it. |
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| 07:30.01 | Andorin | Also, how customizable, in terms of looks, is xfce? I like to play around with my GUI. |
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| 07:34.50 | Helmi | hi all. after a dist-upgrade to squeeze i'm running into some weird problems with libc6 and dpkg. tried force installing both. libc6 installed but seems to be broken as ldconfig is missing. does anyone have an idea how this could be solved? |
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| 07:45.56 | Andorin | mick_laptop: Is it particularly difficult to change environments? |
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| 07:54.16 | peterrooney | Andorin: generally, the display manager allows you to pick a different environment each time you log in (but remembers a default setting, which you can specify) |
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| 07:54.36 | peterrooney | Andorin: this is true of the kdm, gdm, and wdm display managers. |
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| 07:55.13 | Andorin | peterrooney: Great. Um, I followed instructions on xfce's forum and xfce4 and dependencies are downloading in aptitude. After they install, I just restart X, right? |
| 07:55.16 | daf999 | hi all, after I formated a 200GB drive with ext4, it says that I only have 8GB.. if I do the same with ext3 there is no problem.. whats up? |
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| 08:04.44 | peterrooney | Andorin: that's right. |
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| 08:05.04 | Andorin | peterrooney: I logged out and didn't see any options anywhere to run xfce. I rebooted and likewise. |
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| 08:08.04 | Andorin | The download size from aptitude was only 24 MB... is that enough to be an entire graphical interface? |
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| 08:11.56 | JPT | Andorin: a graphical interface needn't to be larger than 100mb |
| 08:11.57 | JPT | :) |
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| 08:13.36 | Andorin | Okay. |
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| 08:13.42 | Andorin | Just making sure I got the whole thing, JPT. |
| 08:13.52 | Andorin | So since I have it, I guess I need to figure out how to use it. |
| 08:14.08 | JPT | hm..what are you installing right now? :) |
| 08:14.13 | Andorin | Xfce. |
| 08:14.15 | JPT | hmm |
| 08:14.25 | JPT | i'm not sure how to start it..lets see |
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| 08:14.36 | Andorin | I was told to restart X and there'd be an option for it, but I've seen no such option. |
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| 08:15.15 | JPT | depends on your login manager |
| 08:15.22 | JPT | are you using xdm, kdm or gdm? |
| 08:15.46 | Andorin | Hmmmmm.... I'm not sure. |
| 08:15.52 | Andorin | How do I find out? |
| 08:15.55 | JPT | hmm |
| 08:16.10 | JPT | ls *dm /etc/init.d |
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| 08:16.25 | JPT | err..no... |
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| 08:16.38 | JPT | oh..hm |
| 08:16.58 | Andorin | That command returned a list, in which gdm was present and the others were not. |
| 08:17.20 | JPT | mh..okay.. |
| 08:17.22 | Andorin | I'm on GNOME... that might help... *should have mentioned that before* |
| 08:17.28 | JPT | so it's pretty sure you're using gdm.. |
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| 08:17.49 | JPT | when you start gnome, you can usually set some options before logging in... |
| 08:18.05 | Andorin | Yeah, on my login window there are a few options. |
| 08:18.17 | JPT | i don't know very much about gdm right now, but i am sure, i could change between gnome and other window managers like kde.. |
| 08:18.18 | Andorin | I poked through those and didn't see anything about xfce, though to be fair I could look again. |
| 08:19.01 | JPT | well..i'm not sure how gdm creates this list so... |
| 08:19.11 | Andorin | Okay, brb. I'm going to check. |
| 08:19.13 | JPT | aaah |
| 08:19.14 | JPT | http://www.xfce.org/documentation/installers/xfce/index.html |
| 08:19.19 | JPT | "Setting up GDM" |
| 08:19.28 | JPT | this will will be a section you want to read :) |
| 08:20.20 | Andorin | Er... I saw this article before, and it looked entirely too complicated so I moved on. I installed the xfce4 package through aptitude, not through the installation process that this page is for. |
| 08:20.41 | petemc | Andorin: did you restart x and look in the gdm session menu? |
| 08:21.05 | Andorin | petemc: I was on my way to do that (again) when JPT gave that link. |
| 08:21.11 | Andorin | I'll do so now. |
| 08:21.26 | JPT | hm... xfce sounds interesting.. |
| 08:22.17 | jelly-home | JPT: upstream installation procedures are often useless when dealing with distros |
| 08:22.29 | jelly-home | (because most work is already done) |
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| 08:22.54 | JPT | yeah... but i recommended this because there was a small section about setting up kdm, gdm or xdm |
| 08:23.09 | Andorin | Okay, I found it. It was cleverly hidden from me. Sorry, guys. |
| 08:23.14 | JPT | :) |
| 08:23.39 | Andorin | Also, omfg, this desktop manager is so much less laggy than GNOME. |
| 08:23.59 | jelly-home | Andorin: gdm remembers your last choice, so you only have to pick it manually again if you want to change to something else |
| 08:24.19 | Andorin | Right, it prompted as to whether I wanted to make it my default. After I tinker a bit, I'll do so. |
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| 08:28.53 | negge | I just changed my fileserver's filesystem to XFS. I've previously binded a few directories directly to my home directory, but for some reason this has totally stopped working. When running the "mount" command I can see that the folders should indeed be mounted, but they're all empty |
| 08:29.03 | negge | has this happened to anyone? How can I solve this? |
| 08:30.00 | negge | mount --bind /path/to/folder /path/to/where/I/want/to/mount/it simply doesn't work |
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| 08:33.03 | StrangeCharm_ | what are the likely reasons that a well-tested application with no known crash bugs would stop running unexpectedly within a minute of being started? |
| 08:34.09 | rvsjoen | most likely in great numbers |
| 08:34.42 | rvsjoen | running out of memory ? disk space ? run it from a debugger and see why it exits |
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| 08:37.53 | StrangeCharm_ | when i run it in the terminal, it says 'killed' |
| 08:38.12 | rvsjoen | killed by who |
| 08:38.34 | StrangeCharm_ | that's just the last line of output before it closes 'Killed' |
| 08:38.39 | JPT | maybe you're running a script that kills binaries that use too much cpu... |
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| 08:39.01 | rvsjoen | or an OOM manager ? |
| 08:39.28 | StrangeCharm_ | it's an automated debian install on a vserver. how could i determine if that were the case? |
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| 08:40.10 | rvsjoen | would gdb tell you who sent the signal ? |
| 08:40.13 | mrfree | hi all |
| 08:40.27 | rvsjoen | or just look at the process list for anything suspicious, pastebin it if you want |
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| 08:40.29 | mrfree | is there a way to move an existing debian installation from amd64 to i386? |
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| 08:42.08 | brbrbr | beware terminall killers. in black hats, i guess |
| 08:42.23 | StrangeCharm_ | i'm confident that i wouldn't notice anything suspicious; at least, i wouldn't be able to tell what was or was not suspicious |
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| 08:43.01 | brbrbr | suspicios about suspricios are suspicious enough |
| 08:44.04 | _Techie_ | does anyone havee any experience with mouseemu? |
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| 08:45.11 | StrangeCharm_ | is there a log that i could browse to see if a system process is doing the deed? |
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| 08:48.24 | rvsjoen | most likely it would be written to the system log |
| 08:48.37 | rvsjoen | look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:50.27 | StrangeCharm_ | doesn't seem to be anything interesting in either |
| 08:51.18 | StrangeCharm_ | what processes would be doing the killing? |
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| 08:57.11 | fhd | Hi. I can't find much on this: How can I completely move a desktop system from en_US to en_GB? I did the compulsory dpkg-reconfigure locales, but now I'm wondering if I'll always have to pick every "-en-gb" language package for every piece of software myself or if there is some other way. |
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| 08:58.08 | rvsjoen | StrangeCharm_: you have to look at the process list, or do an strace, or run it within a debugger to try and figure that out |
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| 08:58.49 | StrangeCharm_ | rvsjoen, i am not familiar with those tools |
| 08:59.22 | rvsjoen | StrangeCharm_: well, there's no way to just 'name' the process doing the killing |
| 08:59.35 | rvsjoen | StrangeCharm_: you could start by pastebinning the process list |
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| 09:00.29 | rvsjoen | StrangeCharm_: in any case, the output of an strace session shouldnt be too hard to get a hold of, you can pastbin that too. google is your friend |
| 09:00.54 | StrangeCharm_ | rvsjoen, http://pastebin.ca/1606586 process list |
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| 09:01.49 | rvsjoen | nothing really suspicious there |
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| 09:02.10 | StrangeCharm_ | installing strace |
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| 09:02.18 | rvsjoen | is that all of them ? how did you print it |
| 09:02.41 | rvsjoen | try a 'ps afx' |
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| 09:02.52 | StrangeCharm_ | i used top |
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| 09:03.57 | StrangeCharm_ | ps afx = http://pastebin.com/d24591b21 |
| 09:04.28 | StrangeCharm_ | "+++ killed by SIGKILL +++" |
| 09:04.38 | StrangeCharm_ | is what strace says |
| 09:05.10 | brbrbr | oh. maybe rootkit ? :/ strange |
| 09:05.20 | rvsjoen | so its definately killed by someone else |
| 09:07.00 | StrangeCharm_ | i'm running with su |
| 09:07.37 | rvsjoen | i'm not sure if theres a simple way to figure out who sent the signal |
| 09:07.58 | rvsjoen | but it sounds very strange |
| 09:08.26 | StrangeCharm_ | is it possible that the vserver host has set up some invisible limit that's killing the process when it gets uppity? |
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| 09:10.30 | rvsjoen | is there any chance the process is overrunning the stack size or something ? |
| 09:10.43 | rvsjoen | check some limits with 'ulimit -a' |
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| 09:12.23 | rvsjoen | what application are you running, the one that dies |
| 09:12.29 | rvsjoen | and what does it do |
| 09:12.45 | StrangeCharm_ | here's ulimit -a : http://pastebin.com/d4becc35b |
| 09:13.14 | StrangeCharm_ | it's called tor, and it's a network router |
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| 09:14.35 | StrangeCharm_ | looks like -i and -n are pretty log |
| 09:14.37 | StrangeCharm_ | *low |
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| 09:15.00 | rvsjoen | looks ok at a glance, the stack size should also be ok, the pending signals are very low, I think mine are 16K |
| 09:15.54 | rvsjoen | I doubt it would result in a SIGKILL by overrunning the signal queue though |
| 09:16.08 | rvsjoen | neither would opening too many files |
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| 09:17.52 | StrangeCharm_ | are you sure? it should be opening waaay more than 1024 file descriptors |
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| 09:19.10 | rvsjoen | i'm pretty sure, open(2) would fail, sure, but I wouldnt expect a KILL, you can always try and increase it though |
| 09:19.58 | StrangeCharm_ | when i run 'ulimit -n 32768 && ulimit -i && tor <args>' it doesn't help. how can i change them system-wide? |
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| 09:20.36 | StrangeCharm_ | ulimit -1 32768, that is |
| 09:21.20 | StrangeCharm_ | ulimit -i 32768, man it's late |
| 09:21.37 | rvsjoen | the ulimits are imposed by the shell, so man bash would be the place to look |
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| 09:23.14 | StrangeCharm_ | would changing the global limits have any different effect from issuing the command above? |
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| 09:24.19 | rvsjoen | dont think so |
| 09:24.24 | StrangeCharm_ | rats |
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| 09:24.27 | StrangeCharm_ | and blast |
| 09:24.44 | StrangeCharm_ | guess i'll just have to resort to mindless violence |
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| 09:31.18 | nas2 | guys anyone knows of a good web based server inventory system? |
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| 09:32.46 | nas2 | i want to get rid of excel recording already |
| 09:32.55 | nas2 | difficult to maintain excel |
| 09:33.10 | nas2 | i mean spreadsheet |
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| 09:37.35 | dukebody | Hi, I have problems with squeeze and ndiswrapper. The ndiswrapper module is loaded and ndiswrapper -i shows my device as installed, but ifconfig -a doesn't show the wlan0 interface. |
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| 09:38.57 | dukebody | I think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520468 could be related. I'm running Linux 2.6.30-1-686, ndiswrapper-source 1.54-2. |
| 09:39.08 | dukebody | Is there any way to downgrade to 1.53 and check if it works? |
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| 09:48.31 | Piliman | Hi!! |
| 09:48.51 | blast_hardcheese | Hi!! |
| 09:48.59 | Piliman | Hi Guys! |
| 09:49.29 | Piliman | Since yesterday! I'm on this channel to find a solution to my Openvpn isue |
| 09:49.59 | Piliman | Can somebody help me??? |
| 09:51.38 | Piliman | Here is my conf |
| 09:51.39 | Piliman | http://pastebin.fr/5757 |
| 09:51.40 | Andorin | Is it possible to update xorg to a newer version that might not cause so much system lag? |
| 09:51.59 | JPT | Andorin: if one is available via debian repos, it is possible :) |
| 09:52.10 | Andorin | Yeah, but I don't see it. In the backports, either. |
| 09:52.23 | Andorin | JPT: By the way, I'm still experiencing lag in Xfce, though a little bit less. |
| 09:53.24 | Andorin | Someone in #xfce theorizes that it might be a driver issue. |
| 09:53.45 | Andorin | And suggests trying a new version of xorg. |
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| 09:54.57 | Andorin | Apparently I have 1.4.2. |
| 09:55.04 | JPT | hmm... |
| 09:55.20 | JPT | you might want to check running processes via top,htop or ps aux |
| 09:56.15 | Andorin | As far as I know, nothing that is running seriously sucks my CPU's power. |
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| 09:56.56 | JPT | mh..nothing special in dmesg? |
| 09:57.12 | Andorin | ...though when I do something like pull up Iceweasel then minimize it, conky reports that xorg jumps to about 30% usage for a moment. |
| 09:57.36 | JPT | well...updating the screen is always eating cpu... |
| 09:57.53 | Andorin | Right. When I just have it sitting there, it doesn't use much power at all. |
| 09:57.53 | JPT | when i grab and move a single window, xorg uses about 100% of one core here |
| 09:58.08 | Andorin | Maybe 7% or so. |
| 09:58.16 | jelly | Andorin: if you have compositing enabled in Window Manager Tweaks, disable it |
| 09:58.41 | Andorin | jelly: I had the problem before I enabled it. |
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| 10:01.55 | Andorin | JPT: Open this page and scroll up and down a little. Does it lag to scroll? http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#gtkrc_files |
| 10:02.24 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 10:02.24 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 10:02.29 | JPT | nope |
| 10:02.38 | valdyn | Andorin: we dont know your debian release or driver ? |
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| 10:03.06 | JPT | well...i think you cannot compare to my hardware... |
| 10:03.09 | Andorin | valdyn: Release is 5.0.3. Driver, I don't know. |
| 10:03.16 | JPT | dualcore-cpu + geforce 8800gt here |
| 10:03.37 | Andorin | JPT, this is me. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01486248&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN |
| 10:03.41 | Andorin | Fairly high-end PC. |
| 10:03.53 | Andorin | And that website lags for me fairly badly. |
| 10:04.04 | JPT | well... "integrated graphics" |
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| 10:04.28 | JPT | onboard cards are not always that good with stuff... |
| 10:04.55 | valdyn | Andorin: do what dpkg said |
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| 10:07.07 | valdyn | g33 sucks for composite for sure |
| 10:07.10 | valdyn | but what doesnt |
| 10:07.22 | Andorin | Blast it, X crashed. |
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| 10:07.37 | valdyn | Andorin: in case you missed it, do what dpkg told you about XAA |
| 10:07.47 | Andorin | I gotta get this crap fiiiiiixed. >_> |
| 10:07.52 | Andorin | Yeah, I was on my way to doing that. |
| 10:08.21 | valdyn | Andorin: verfiy that its using the intel driver too, not just vesa ( g33 should be fully supported and automagically detected though ) |
| 10:08.59 | Andorin | valdyn: Let me restart X since I made that change to my xorg.conf |
| 10:09.01 | Andorin | But how do I make sure it's using the driver? |
| 10:10.04 | valdyn | Andorin: grep -i intel /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:10.34 | Andorin | valdyn: I get an awful lot of output when I run that. |
| 10:10.39 | valdyn | Andorin: excellent |
| 10:10.51 | Andorin | Okay, so restarting x. |
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| 10:12.33 | Andorin | Alright, I don't see any noticeable change in my lag. |
| 10:12.49 | Andorin | And that particular page still scrolls laggy. |
| 10:13.14 | valdyn | Andorin: paste your whole Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
| 10:13.17 | Andorin | k |
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| 10:13.28 | valdyn | Andorin: do you still have compositing enabled? |
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| 10:13.41 | Andorin | valdyn: No, I turned it off because I suspect it broke my X earlier. |
| 10:13.46 | valdyn | Andorin: ok |
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| 10:14.18 | Andorin | Anyway, here. http://pastebin.com/d75f30bde |
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| 10:15.14 | valdyn | Andorin: you did not switch to XAA |
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| 10:15.48 | valdyn | Andorin: i think you didnt really restart X |
| 10:16.05 | Andorin | I hit Ctrl-alt-backspace and logged back in... |
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| 10:16.53 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 10:16.53 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
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| 10:17.06 | Andorin | Hang on. |
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| 10:17.41 | Isenn | I am tryint to use Debian Backports (Lenny) I have followed the instructions but i can not find the package I want to install. Anyone got a clue? (http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions) |
| 10:17.46 | Andorin | My xorg.conf. |
| 10:17.48 | Andorin | http://pastebin.com/d4c441433 |
| 10:18.04 | Isenn | The package i want to install is sun-java6-jdk. And that package is in the backport |
| 10:18.17 | valdyn | Andorin: you just added a device section that does not get used |
| 10:18.27 | valdyn | Andorin: because you already had a device section |
| 10:18.38 | Andorin | Alright. Apologies. I don't tinker with this much. |
| 10:18.59 | Andorin | So I want to replace the contents of Section "Device" with the new content? |
| 10:19.01 | valdyn | Andorin: remove what you added, simple add Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in your existing device section |
| 10:19.32 | Andorin | Alright, restarting. |
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| 10:21.09 | Andorin | Okay, website scrolling performance has improved. |
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| 10:21.49 | Andorin | Testing other things now. |
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| 10:22.50 | Andorin | Wow... |
| 10:23.05 | Andorin | The lag is gone. valdyn, you are my hero. I've been trying to solve this for weeks. |
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| 10:24.33 | Isenn | How do you use backports if (http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions) is not working? |
| 10:25.15 | Andorin | Thanks a lot. =) |
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| 10:25.54 | temp0 | Hi All! Anybody knows why there are no debian packages for squashfs-modules for kernel >=2.6.28 |
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| 10:27.38 | valdyn | temp0: becaue squashfs is already part of newer kernels? |
| 10:28.11 | temp0 | Not at oll, because mounting squasfs fails |
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| 10:28.32 | valdyn | temp0: i can see that it is |
| 10:28.42 | valdyn | temp0: try running "modprobe squashfs" |
| 10:29.51 | temp0 | In earlier versions you could list available modules with apt-cache search squashfs |
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| 10:30.02 | valdyn | temp0: squashfs is part of kernels >= 2.6.29 |
| 10:30.15 | temp0 | Are you sure? |
| 10:30.24 | valdyn | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#head-5ca2504b2b4f4e6583f50dcdf23b2e75b383252f |
| 10:30.46 | jelly | also, /boot/config-2.6.29-2-amd64:CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m |
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| 10:31.50 | Isenn | Where in debian do you define JAVA_HOME ? |
| 10:31.57 | temp0 | OK I'l check again, tnx valdyn and jelly |
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| 10:47.58 | daf999 | hi, I have two monitors, two separate x screens, I can move the mouse from one screen to the other, but I cant move windows from one screen to another, can it be done? |
| 10:48.13 | valdyn | !xinerama |
| 10:48.13 | dpkg | hmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>. |
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| 11:11.31 | LobbyZ | Is it possible to have 2 servers link with eachother and use a shared folder? |
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| 11:19.29 | neoice | LobbyZ: like NFS or Samba? |
| 11:19.53 | LobbyZ | Well i dunno, i got 2 servers that use ssh |
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| 11:20.23 | Mitar | how can i undef a exim4 configuration maco? I would like to undef HIDE_MAILNAME macro as dc_hide_mailname is set to true all the time by dpkg configure script because I am using satellite configuration but I would not like to have mailname hidden |
| 11:20.34 | neoice | well, there's also SSHFS, but its a FUSE module, very slow and a bit buggy |
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| 11:21.57 | LobbyZ | neoice, yeah but i need a program that will work on a ssh server (i got root) |
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| 11:21.59 | blast_hardcheese | Anyone else try kFreeBSD yet? |
| 11:22.25 | neoice | LobbyZ: I'm not sure there's any networked file system that works via SSH. (other than SSHFS) |
| 11:22.51 | blast_hardcheese | just ssh port forward whatever service you want. |
| 11:23.01 | LobbyZ | neoice, well that sucks |
| 11:23.01 | blast_hardcheese | That's what port forwarding was invented for... forwarding ports. |
| 11:23.20 | neoice | LobbyZ: ssh wasnt create to share file systems. its just a secure shell |
| 11:23.49 | blast_hardcheese | knows the answer but is not going to insist he be listened to. |
| 11:23.49 | LobbyZ | neoice, well i can only access my server via scp and ssh |
| 11:23.55 | blast_hardcheese | goes back to kFreeBSD. |
| 11:23.59 | LobbyZ | blast_hardcheese, no need for open ports |
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| 11:24.15 | blast_hardcheese | LobbyZ: Huh? |
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| 11:24.25 | neoice | LobbyZ: if you have root, whats stopping you from installing a VPN? |
| 11:24.42 | LobbyZ | neoice, how do i install it? |
| 11:24.51 | wols | LobbyZ: but you can always create a vpn between those 2 computers |
| 11:24.54 | LobbyZ | blast_hardcheese, my ports opens when i use it, they arent blocked |
| 11:25.05 | LobbyZ | wols, how? |
| 11:25.07 | wols | !openvpn |
| 11:25.08 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to interfaces(5). As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys (openvpn-blacklist package available in Lenny). As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:25.43 | neoice | LobbyZ: this might also be helpful: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html |
| 11:25.44 | wols | you could even use ssh itself via port forwarding |
| 11:26.12 | LobbyZ | i'll try openvpn |
| 11:26.30 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Don't bother, he doesn't care about port forwarding via SSH, despite the fact that it's the easiest and most straight-forward solution. |
| 11:26.52 | neoice | OpenVPN is fairly complicated as well |
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| 11:27.13 | LobbyZ | i don't need port forwarding |
| 11:27.24 | blm | i use the nvidia binary on a debian kernel and wonder if i can replace my geforce 6600 with a geforce 8400 without the need to recompile the driver. could that work? |
| 11:27.31 | blast_hardcheese | LobbyZ: Whatever you say. |
| 11:27.36 | LobbyZ | i just want a application that can do shared folders |
| 11:27.37 | neoice | its not "port forwarding" in the same sense as your home router. |
| 11:27.59 | LobbyZ | according to that site you gave me, its not what i want |
| 11:28.36 | valdyn | blm: read your package description to "nvidia-glx" |
| 11:28.46 | LobbyZ | since the apps that i want to use a shared folder for dosnt use ports |
| 11:29.14 | valdyn | blm: it works if you dont cross the boundary between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 11:29.17 | neoice | LobbyZ: anything using the network uses ports. |
| 11:29.33 | neoice | so your shared file system requires ports. |
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| 11:30.18 | neoice | you need an NFS server on serverA to speak to serverB. this requires a port. |
| 11:30.25 | neoice | and simply exposing this over the internet is a bad idea |
| 11:30.28 | LobbyZ | yeah but this is still not i'm looking for |
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| 11:30.44 | LobbyZ | I'll find a way |
| 11:30.45 | LobbyZ | anyways |
| 11:30.47 | LobbyZ | thanks |
| 11:30.47 | neoice | well, your options are SSHFS, NFS, Samba and a few others. glhf |
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| 11:30.48 | valdyn | doesnt nfs need more than 1 port? |
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| 11:32.55 | valdyn | LobbyZ: "sshfs user@server:/path/ ~/mountpoint" is probably what you want |
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| 11:34.20 | blm | valdyn: i am not using the nvidia package. i am using the binary driver from nvidia |
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| 11:34.41 | valdyn | blm: then you get to look for the list of supported cards at www.nvidia.com |
| 11:34.58 | blm | valdyn: both are supported |
| 11:35.17 | valdyn | blm: then nothing to worry about |
| 11:35.25 | blm | how cool, thank you |
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| 11:42.45 | i | kann jemnad deutsch |
| 11:42.47 | i | ? |
| 11:43.01 | wols | !de |
| 11:43.01 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 11:44.04 | wols | valdyn: nvidia.com has a normal one and a legacy one too |
| 11:44.15 | wols | tho, 6600 shouldn't be legacy. yet |
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| 11:44.56 | pim_ | !nl |
| 11:44.57 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 11:45.08 | pim_ | !se |
| 11:45.09 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 11:45.25 | pim_ | !qa |
| 11:45.26 | dpkg | [qa] Quality Assurance. Debian Quality Assurance: http://qa.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org debian-qa@lists.debian.org #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:46.18 | wols | !tell pim_ about dpkg msgthebot |
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| 11:49.09 | vlt | Hello. What tool can I use to (once) sync block devices over network and only transfer differences (like rsync does)? |
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| 11:50.55 | blast_hardcheese | vlt: block devices? |
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| 11:55.54 | E-bola | I cant figure out how to handle upgrading mysql to newest in lenny |
| 11:56.09 | E-bola | there's a mysql-server and mysql-server5.0 package and they apear to be conflicting? |
| 11:56.21 | Krauser | how to use the 2 commands together . . . . taskset -c 0 and nice -19 ? |
| 11:56.22 | E-bola | do i have to uninstall the mysql-server package? |
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| 12:05.34 | rvsjoen | can't you just install mysql-server-5.X package and leave the rest to the package system ? |
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| 12:07.08 | vlt | kraut: `nice -n 19 taskset ...` |
| 12:07.35 | vlt | kraut: Sorry, ^ was for Krauser |
| 12:07.48 | E-bola | rvsjoen: umm no cuz its a conflict |
| 12:08.04 | E-bola | it seems like i have to chose between mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 12:08.19 | E-bola | and i dont knwo which to chose |
| 12:08.28 | rvsjoen | mysql-server is provided by mysql-server-5.0 |
| 12:08.43 | E-bola | why do they conflict then? |
| 12:09.13 | E-bola | if i for example try to install 5-0 it just makes mysql-server red saying there's a conflict |
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| 12:09.22 | rvsjoen | no idea, what does 'aptitude search mysql-server' say |
| 12:09.29 | jogla | Hello |
| 12:09.44 | jelly | how do I tell Gnome's tsclient vnc client wrapper to connect to vnc server :1 on the remote machine, not :0? |
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| 12:09.53 | E-bola | i mysql-server - MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version) |
| 12:09.54 | E-bola | ihA mysql-server-5.0 - MySQL database server binaries |
| 12:09.54 | E-bola | v virtual-mysql-server - |
| 12:10.04 | jogla | I installed Debian Lenny yesterday, and it did crash several times since then with a kernel panic (blinking num lock) |
| 12:10.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell E-bola about paste |
| 12:10.23 | jogla | I did not find anything helpful or suspicious in the logs |
| 12:10.32 | uwjweq | In screen, can I split a region in half so I have one region left and the other one right of it? If so, how? |
| 12:10.34 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: what version? |
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| 12:10.37 | silversato | ciao |
| 12:10.37 | jogla | How can i found the cause of the problem? |
| 12:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | uwjweq: yes |
| 12:10.49 | silversato | Hi! |
| 12:10.50 | vlt | blast_hardcheese: Yes, block devices. I want to send the differences between machine A's /dev/mapper/foo to machine B's /dev/mapper/bar |
| 12:10.52 | rvsjoen | E-bola: there's a 'hold' on mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 12:10.52 | E-bola | 3 lines, borderline paste |
| 12:10.58 | jogla | jpinx-eeepc: I installed it with the 5.0.3 version, and i still have stable |
| 12:11.00 | silversato | !list |
| 12:11.00 | dpkg | silversato: VATTENE VIA |
| 12:11.05 | silversato | ok |
| 12:11.11 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: is stable crashing? |
| 12:11.14 | vlt | blast_hardcheese: But only the difference, not the whole device. |
| 12:11.14 | E-bola | rvdjoen: well that was just cuz i wasnt sure what to do |
| 12:11.15 | jogla | Yeah |
| 12:11.25 | uwjweq | jpinx-eeep: How is it done? |
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| 12:11.39 | silversato | ma cos'è questo? e poi un pò di gentilezza |
| 12:11.58 | jpinx-eeepc | uwjweq: not debian specific problem - google irssi scripts etc |
| 12:12.02 | uwjweq | silversato: Repeat in english please |
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| 12:12.10 | jpinx-eeepc | !it |
| 12:12.11 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:12.26 | E-bola | aptitude says mysql-server-5.0 replaces mysql-server |
| 12:12.45 | rvsjoen | E-bola: and which version of mysql-server-5.0 do you have ? 'dpkg --list | grep mysql-server-5' |
| 12:12.49 | E-bola | i dont dare uninstall it |
| 12:13.39 | E-bola | rvsjoen: i got mysql-server-5.0 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 |
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| 12:14.05 | rvsjoen | that is the newest in lenny, no ? |
| 12:14.24 | rvsjoen | or isnt it.. |
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| 12:14.33 | E-bola | nope |
| 12:14.35 | E-bola | there's a lenny2 |
| 12:14.43 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: version mysql-server |
| 12:14.44 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 12:14.51 | E-bola | its that upgrade im a bit unsure about |
| 12:14.55 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 12:14.56 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 lenny-backports: 5.1.37-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.37-2 sid: 5.1.39-1 |
| 12:14.58 | speakman | Is it possible to make sure Debian Installed does *not* use any framebuffer features? fb=false and debian-installer/framebuffer=false doesn't seem to work at all. |
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| 12:15.00 | E-bola | since it doesnt apear to be straight forward |
| 12:15.13 | fas3r | hello can i do qos on protocol (for example use 70% to http, 30 % to ftp) something like this ... |
| 12:15.16 | fas3r | ? |
| 12:15.22 | jogla | Anyone any ideas? |
| 12:15.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: paste the error |
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| 12:16.53 | rvsjoen | fas3r: chapter 9 at lartc.org is a good place to start |
| 12:16.55 | neoice | fas3r: tc? |
| 12:17.13 | jogla | jpinx-eeepc: As i said, there is none |
| 12:17.14 | E-bola | heh now i upgraded mysql-server, and all asociated packages common client etc. But its still listing mysql-server-5.0 as an upgrade??? |
| 12:17.35 | E-bola | i dont understand why there is both a mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 package |
| 12:17.46 | jogla | Num-lock blinks, and there is nothing in the messages, kern.log or syslog that doesn't belong there |
| 12:17.53 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 12:17.54 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 |
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| 12:18.26 | jpinx-eeepc | E-bola: judd is giving same versions for both names |
| 12:18.34 | fas3r | neoice: i don't know :) ? |
| 12:18.45 | fas3r | rvsjoen: ok i look |
| 12:18.47 | rvsjoen | lenny-security has the +lenny2 package |
| 12:19.02 | neoice | fas3r: 'tc' is mentioned in that link from rvsjoen. |
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| 12:19.09 | E-bola | umm im not sure what you are saying? |
| 12:19.27 | neoice | looks pretty complicated/ |
| 12:19.30 | E-bola | i knwo they apear to be the same version, but again why are there 2 packages? and why do they conflict when u try to install mysql-server-5.0? |
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| 12:19.51 | E-bola | i tried upgrading the mysql-server one now, and it seems afterwards u can upgrade the 5-0 |
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| 12:19.56 | E-bola | but it all looks weird, and odd to me |
| 12:20.04 | macrobat | jogla: isn't there a last message before kernel panic |
| 12:20.20 | jpinx-eeepc | E-bola: i'd agree, not sure what's going on there |
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| 12:20.34 | jogla | macrobat: Yeah, but its different after every crash |
| 12:21.11 | jogla | for example, syslog after the last crash: |
| 12:21.20 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: loose RAM (that's happened to me) |
| 12:21.32 | jogla | Oct 9 14:03:58 cioccolato kernel: [ 1603.592303] Connection attempt (UNPRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1c:25:12:99:9f:00:1e:2a:6c:d3:d8:08:00 SRC=125.236.160.86 DST=192.168.1.2 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=108 ID=15892 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=4666 DPT=10139 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 12:21.38 | jogla | Hmm |
| 12:21.53 | jogla | jpinx-eeepc: But, wouldn't it crash without blinking then? |
| 12:22.13 | E-bola | jpinx-eeepc: It does seem resolved now though, but something must be broken somewhere, its normally fairly simple to upgrade packages in lenny, even if theres meta packages |
| 12:22.17 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: pop it out, clean the contacts and replace - maybe in a different slot if available |
| 12:22.44 | jogla | i wait for the next crash with that ;) |
| 12:22.59 | jpinx-eeepc | E-bola: totally agree - I don't use mysql at the moment so don't know the specifics, but lenny is usually bomb-proof |
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| 12:24.15 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: I had loose RAM after a dist-upgrade and it had me guessing for a day ;) |
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| 12:24.49 | jogla | Yeah, its finny that its after i reinstalled lenny |
| 12:24.54 | jogla | because i haven't had it before |
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| 12:26.50 | jpinx-eeepc | coincidence jogla ;) |
| 12:27.06 | jogla | Yeah |
| 12:27.07 | jogla | Probably |
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| 12:32.39 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:32.47 | J_P | How I disable sound (beed) when I use TAB key on keyboard? |
| 12:33.06 | valdyn | !beep |
| 12:33.06 | dpkg | methinks beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>. |
| 12:33.16 | valdyn | !bell |
| 12:33.16 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
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| 12:34.07 | hphubert | hi |
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| 12:35.19 | hphubert | i ve got a problem, i have already installed a cups, and when i type in webbrowser localhost:631 i get error and i can't connect to this site |
| 12:35.51 | Titan8990 | hphubert, did you start the cups daemon? |
| 12:36.11 | hphubert | yes, now i'm restarting the server |
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| 12:36.34 | wols | hphubert: does the server listen anywhere? check using netstat |
| 12:36.38 | jogla | you have to type serveriporaddress:631, not localhost:631 |
| 12:36.45 | Titan8990 | oh.. this is #debian |
| 12:36.50 | valdyn | jogla: umm |
| 12:36.52 | Titan8990 | jogla, localhost should be fine |
| 12:37.00 | wols | jogla: it listens on localhost and localhost only by default |
| 12:37.04 | valdyn | serveripaddress will not work when localhost isnt it |
| 12:37.07 | Titan8990 | unless of course the cups server is remote |
| 12:37.07 | hphubert | ok, but i type localhost:631 in links2 on server, i use a putty |
| 12:37.23 | jpinx-eeepc | jogla: check your /etc/hosts |
| 12:37.31 | wols | hphubert: again, is it listening? and what error exactly? |
| 12:37.33 | jogla | Titan8990: Wish was implied by "yes, now i'm restarting the server" ;) |
| 12:37.38 | jogla | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah |
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| 12:39.55 | hphubert | wait wait, what should i do, i ve got onlu fourteen, i'm from poland |
| 12:40.00 | hphubert | ? |
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| 12:40.10 | Titan8990 | 14 what? |
| 12:40.13 | caraconan | Hi. It's this right? http://pastebin.com/m559cafe5 Not too much RAM memory usage? |
| 12:40.33 | Titan8990 | and how does geographical location effect your cups server? |
| 12:40.40 | wols | !free memory |
| 12:40.40 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 12:41.11 | jpinx-eeepc | caraconan: what is your error? |
| 12:41.11 | hphubert | Titan8990, i'm 14 yeras old, im in poland, server is in my flat |
| 12:41.18 | wols | hphubert: as root, netstat -anp|grep LISTEN |
| 12:42.04 | caraconan | <jpinx-eeepc> is a symfony error: http://pastebin.com/m20087a73 |
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| 12:43.13 | wols | caraconan: you have ca 1,8GB free memory |
| 12:43.16 | hphubert | wols, ok, but where paste it? |
| 12:43.25 | wols | !paste |
| 12:43.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:43.52 | valdyn | caraconan: thats your php or symfony configuration, not your computer resources limiting the memory |
| 12:43.58 | caraconan | <wols> I've got 2Gb RAM memory |
| 12:44.11 | wols | caraconan: we know but we don't care |
| 12:44.34 | hphubert | !paste |
| 12:44.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:44.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell hphubert about self-tell |
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| 12:45.04 | caraconan | And now are (I think) almost 90% used. I don't know if it's 'normal'... |
| 12:45.19 | radoe | caraconan: PHP scripts RAPM usage is typically limited RAM. Check PHP docs and adjust your settings via php.ini or such. |
| 12:45.25 | jpinx-eeepc | caraconan: read the info from dpkg |
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| 12:45.47 | wols | caraconan: you are mistaken. read this channel more carefully |
| 12:46.34 | hphubert | wols, please http://paste.debian.net/48602/ |
| 12:46.35 | caraconan | Ok, I will take a look. Thanks to all |
| 12:46.56 | Piliman | hi guys |
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| 12:47.12 | Piliman | need help to solve a VPN issue |
| 12:47.16 | wols | hphubert: I still didn't get an answer to my 2nd question. cups is running and listening on port 631 btw |
| 12:47.22 | Piliman | Here is the config file |
| 12:47.23 | Piliman | http://paste.debian.net/48603/ |
| 12:47.54 | Piliman | I would like the VPN server to see the subnet behind the VPN client |
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| 12:50.34 | Piliman | nobody can help?? |
| 12:50.46 | Piliman | any suggestions? |
| 12:50.52 | hphubert | wols, please http://paste.debian.net/48602/ |
| 12:51.14 | wols | hphubert: I already saw it and answered |
| 12:51.18 | hphubert | ok |
| 12:51.21 | hphubert | moment |
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| 12:52.37 | hphubert | wols, great, i type localhost:631 it'was bad, i type 127.0.0.1:631 and it's ok |
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| 12:52.55 | caraconan | Solved. Thanks to all |
| 12:53.26 | hphubert | wols, so, what should i do if i want have a remote administration cups |
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| 12:53.40 | Titan8990 | hphubert, then something is likely going on with your /etc/hosts, i would check to make sure its right |
| 12:53.41 | wols | hphubert: then your /etc/hosts is borked |
| 12:54.01 | wols | if you want remote administration, you need to edit cups.ini to allow connections from other than localhost |
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| 12:54.27 | wols | but only allow connections from your LAN. do not let it listen on your WAN port(s) |
| 12:54.47 | hphubert | !paste |
| 12:54.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 12:55.11 | wols | oops. probably cups.conf, or whatever the cups config file is |
| 12:55.17 | wols | in /etc/cups probably |
| 12:55.35 | vezult | I'm attempting to use virt-install on lenny to set up a virtual machine, and am having no luck. |
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| 12:55.41 | vezult | I get this error: http://dpaste.com/104891/ |
| 12:56.00 | Pnux | /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 12:56.05 | vezult | any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? |
| 12:56.06 | Pnux | i think |
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| 12:56.43 | wols | Pnux: what is virt-install exactly? I also note you use ubuntu software, not debian |
| 12:56.44 | hphubert | http://paste.debian.net/48607/ it's my /etc/hosts |
| 12:56.51 | wols | so it's pretty obvious what you do wrong |
| 12:56.56 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 12:57.10 | vezult | wols: I'm installing ubuntu on the virtual machine, I'm running lenny on the host |
| 12:57.18 | Pnux | wols: wrong person :] |
| 12:57.30 | vezult | wols: and wrong assumptions |
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| 12:59.15 | Pnux | vezult: have you tried running "virsh start ubuntu-test" like the output says? |
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| 13:00.26 | pappanz | hello |
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| 13:01.07 | hphubert | thanks all, i find answer in google, see you |
| 13:01.12 | vezult | Pnux: yes. the install definitely didn't work, so there's no machine to connect to |
| 13:01.40 | vezult | Pnux: it looks like it might be a bug in virt-install related to installing an i386 guest on a 64bit host |
| 13:01.52 | Pnux | vezult: sorry i cant help, i never used virt-install, i use virtualbox |
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| 13:03.16 | pappanz | my machine is a centrino laptop 1.50ghz with 512mb ram. I am running debian testing with xfce. I am experiencing slow internet browsing with almost every webbrowser, I tried iceweasel, midori, arora but it just seems damn slow! what do you think about it? |
| 13:03.38 | vezult | Pnux: yeah, me too. I just wanted to try out kvm ;o) |
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| 13:04.01 | yacyac | can anyone tell me which app i can use in place of notepad which is there in windows. |
| 13:04.09 | lvh | anyone know any diagram drawing tools with a large symbol set? I need stuff for an RF receiver: antenna, filters,... |
| 13:04.09 | valdyn | yacyac: gedit |
| 13:04.13 | yacyac | kool |
| 13:04.14 | yacyac | thanks |
| 13:04.15 | Pnux | yacyac: gedit, kate, kwrite |
| 13:04.20 | Titan8990 | yacyac, apt-cache search text editor |
| 13:04.21 | pappanz | yacyac, mousepad |
| 13:04.25 | Titan8990 | emacs > all |
| 13:04.31 | Pnux | Titan8990: that doesnt work |
| 13:04.35 | Recidivist | +) |
| 13:04.35 | yacyac | mousepad ? |
| 13:04.36 | jelly | !start an editor war |
| 13:04.36 | dpkg | vim is known to cause ulcers |
| 13:04.42 | Pnux | Titan8990: oh wait, it might |
| 13:04.52 | deufrai_ | yacyac: leafpad is the closest alternative to notepad, very light, starts up very fast |
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| 13:05.12 | yacyac | kool |
| 13:05.15 | Pnux | and a POS |
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| 13:05.18 | jelly | yacyac: there are literally tens of simple graphical text editors |
| 13:05.25 | yacyac | i know |
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| 13:05.31 | yacyac | i am pretty much aware of it |
| 13:05.36 | yacyac | the problem is that.. |
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| 13:05.43 | wols | Pnux: he said "closest alternative to notepad" after all |
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| 13:05.51 | Pnux | you hit enter way too much? yup, thats the problem |
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| 13:06.09 | deufrai_ | Pnux: what do you mean by POS ? |
| 13:06.23 | Pnux | wols: i know, i was comparing notepad with leafpad |
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| 13:06.40 | nachos | hi, i have a dummy interface and a eth0 interface both on the same subnet, now what happens is that when data comes in the dummy subnet then another program responds back it comes out the default route for the subnet which is eth0, i want it to come out dummy0, is there any ip route rule i can make to specify that "if a packet from this host enters this interface, then this system will sticky and reply to the host on the same inte |
| 13:06.42 | wols | Pnux: so how could it be a close alternative if it weren't a POS as well? |
| 13:06.44 | Pnux | in that particular aspect |
| 13:07.05 | Pnux | wols: exactly my point, i was saying both are POS |
| 13:07.31 | valdyn | nachos: why would you have a dummy and a real interface on the same subnet? |
| 13:07.44 | valdyn | nachos: that is nonsense |
| 13:07.51 | wols | valdyn: to confuse the network stack of course |
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| 13:08.03 | jelly | nachos: have you considered bridging the two devices? |
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| 13:08.14 | yacyac | thanks alot everyone |
| 13:08.21 | yacyac | anyone here using dell inspiron ? |
| 13:08.38 | jelly | nachos: care to pastebin the outputs of "ip a" and "ip r"? |
| 13:08.52 | wols | !anyone |
| 13:08.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:08.53 | valdyn | nachos: im sure you can make everything hard by using bridges and iptables where simple subnetting would do |
| 13:08.55 | jelly | nachos: (if you have iproute installed) |
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| 13:09.36 | Pnux | wols: i think he was making OT talk, i heard that dell users are like a cult |
| 13:09.42 | ranix | yacyac: incidentally, there are at lease 50 different revisions of Inspiron |
| 13:09.46 | ranix | least |
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| 13:10.24 | yacyac | yeah |
| 13:10.32 | jelly | nachos: what you're asking can be done using policy-based routing, but is probably overkill if your network can be reconfigured not to have the same subnet on two ifaces |
| 13:10.34 | yacyac | i use inspiron 1525 |
| 13:10.42 | yacyac | and i need to get my wifi up and running |
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| 13:11.08 | nachos | valdyn: well ill tell you the full problem, im running a vpn with openswan and xl2tpd, after the IPSEC handshake it passes on to xl2tpd but what happens is that xl2tpd uses the default route for my subnet and passes it out eth0 witch has a different ip address to my dummy interface thereforre borking my connection |
| 13:11.23 | Pnux | !tell yacyac about enter |
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| 13:11.40 | nachos | and the reason im using dummy is because to make a policy that works with my iphone i need it to listen on a different address or else there is no rule that will sucsessfully match my iphone |
| 13:11.58 | nachos | !tell nachos about enter |
| 13:12.16 | yacyac | hehe.. alright |
| 13:12.21 | Pnux | !tell nachos about selftell |
| 13:12.35 | nachos | !tell nachos about selftell |
| 13:12.37 | nachos | :P |
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| 13:12.48 | jelly | nachos: is this a home network? |
| 13:12.52 | nachos | yes |
| 13:12.58 | yacyac | i use dell inspiron 1525, i need to get the wifi up and running. i think my wifi is not getting detected. or i dont have the drivers for it. |
| 13:13.09 | jelly | nachos: you may be able to reconfigure your router to use a different network. |
| 13:13.29 | jelly | eg. 192.168.2.0/24 instead of 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 13:13.44 | nachos | hm |
| 13:13.50 | nachos | back to what was said before |
| 13:14.08 | nachos | with bridging, what happens is that the two interfaces are bonded they loose both there ips? correct |
| 13:14.17 | nachos | well bridged, not bonded |
| 13:14.54 | jelly | nachos: the bridge interface has an IP address, and the physical ones have no IP address configured |
| 13:15.16 | nachos | that doesnt help unfortunatley |
| 13:15.19 | jelly | the simplest solution is not to use the same network for different ifaces. |
| 13:15.51 | nachos | well one thing that did work was to make a new virtual interface ( im running this in a VM ) and then use that |
| 13:15.58 | nachos | but that seems like a bit of a hammer and fist approach |
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| 13:16.13 | jelly | you're running what in a VM? |
| 13:16.25 | nachos | my linux system |
| 13:16.29 | nachos | the one that runs the VPN |
| 13:17.11 | jelly | what vpn now? |
| 13:17.58 | jelly | srsly, you're introducing new network-relevant datum with every line you write :-) |
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| 13:18.24 | wols | yacyac: what wifi chip? |
| 13:18.52 | yacyac | wols, i guess intel.. how do i confirm |
| 13:18.58 | trazan | yacyac: to see what hardware you have: lspci | grep -i eth |
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| 13:19.46 | Sergio` | I needed to send reminders to the bottom of GNU screen. I tried screen -X echo ... in a cronjob and it works but if I'm typing, by pressing a key the message disappears, making me sometimes not see the message. Any way to send reminders preferably with a bell and that last let's say 5 seconds? |
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| 13:20.38 | yacyac | blacknote:/media# lspci | grep -i eth |
| 13:20.38 | yacyac | 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) |
| 13:21.07 | Pnux | Sergio`: all i can think is "shutdown -k now MESSAGE", but you wont want that |
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| 13:21.50 | Sergio` | Yeah, I won't try that. |
| 13:22.09 | Pnux | it wont actually shutdown |
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| 13:23.37 | lvh | Does anyone know a good tool for drawing out block schemata of receivers? Specifically, I'm looking for something that comes with a symbol library which already has band pass and low/high-pass filters. |
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| 13:25.46 | wols | yacyac: that's no wlan |
| 13:26.08 | yacyac | i know |
| 13:26.21 | wols | yacyac: check usb and pcmcia |
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| 13:26.59 | Sergio` | Pnux: something that does not disrupt work or garble the screen. |
| 13:27.05 | yacyac | wols, usb it is showing and pcmcia its not showing |
| 13:27.38 | wols | yacyac: that's nice and all but doesn't answer my question |
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| 13:28.12 | yacyac | wols, wifi is there.. but i guess its of intel |
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| 13:28.41 | wols | yacyac: only talk to me when you can answer my question. good day |
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| 13:29.04 | trazan | judd, pciid 09:00.0 |
| 13:29.05 | yacyac | wols, but i dont understand your question |
| 13:29.05 | judd | trazan: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id '09:00.0'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in the output of 'lspci -nn'. |
| 13:29.18 | trazan | :( |
| 13:30.08 | wols | yacyac: show the output of lspci and lsusb then |
| 13:30.08 | nachos | Sergio`: wall? |
| 13:30.08 | nachos | or write |
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| 13:30.09 | wols | trazan: what you told judd is the placement of your PCI device. not its ID number |
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| 13:31.39 | yacyac | wols, http://pastebin.com/m9487b58 |
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| 13:34.38 | wols | yacyac: that's not all I asked for |
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| 13:37.54 | yacyac | wols, http://pastebin.com/m61a2ba3f |
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| 13:43.55 | wols | yacyac: that's not what I asked about at all |
| 13:44.21 | yacyac | then |
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| 13:44.41 | jelly | did Sergio` get a suggestion about using "wall" already? |
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| 13:45.56 | wols | yes he did |
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| 13:46.20 | wols | yacyac: you didn't give the output of lspci |
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| 13:47.29 | yacyac | wols, http://pastebin.com/m6c48158b |
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| 13:48.40 | wols | 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 13:49.06 | Titan8990 | ewww broadcom |
| 13:49.33 | wols | !tell yacyac about b43 |
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| 13:52.13 | ChrisW | hey all, anyone of a sed/awk/shell-ish way to count the number of occurences of a text string in a file? |
| 13:52.28 | ChrisW | (the file is 3.5GB of xml ;-) ) |
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| 13:53.11 | wols | ChrisW: man grep. search for "count" |
| 13:54.20 | violinappren | ChrisW: and use the -P for that kind of file size |
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| 13:56.10 | LtL | yacyac: with my broadcom chip and lenny, b43-fwcutter worked like a charm. fyi |
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| 13:56.28 | yacyac | LtL, can you tell me how do get it running.. |
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| 13:57.04 | jelly | ChrisW: note that --count returns the number of lines matching, as opposed to the number of matches. |
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| 13:57.19 | ChrisW | violinappren/wols/jelly: thanks :-) |
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| 13:57.40 | LtL | yacyac: its been months, if i recall just install that package, it will prompt you to download firmware, say yes. |
| 13:57.41 | ChrisW | jelly: I think that'll be okay here, but what should I do if it isn't? |
| 13:57.57 | \amethyst | ChrisW: you can do grep -o string | wc -l |
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| 13:58.06 | yacyac | b43-fwcutter |
| 13:58.13 | LtL | yacyac: apt-get install b43-fwcutter |
| 13:58.26 | \amethyst | ChrisW: grep -o prints only the matched strings, one per line (rather than printing matching lines) |
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| 13:58.46 | aidan | What distro would I download for an apple macbook pro ( a new one, this year) |
| 13:58.53 | jelly | !win \amethyst |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:59.05 | aidan | I assume it's ia64, but I'm running it through VMware, so I thought I'd check |
| 13:59.10 | jpinx-eeepc | there only were 2 entrie |
| 13:59.11 | jpinx-eeepc | s |
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| 13:59.28 | jelly | aidan: amd64 (ia64 is something VERY different) |
| 13:59.45 | ChrisW | violinappren: why would interpretting the pattern as a perl regex be good for a large file size? |
| 13:59.50 | ChrisW | (ie: -P) |
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| 14:00.19 | themill | grep: Support for the -P option is not compiled into this --disable-perl-regexp binary |
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| 14:01.12 | \amethyst | ChrisW: maybe PCRE is faster than grep's BRE implementation? actually, I would expect |
| 14:01.18 | jogla | \amethyst: I would run debian lenny using parallels. |
| 14:01.25 | StyXman | since a couple of weeks both dselect and aptitude show me all unistalled packages as new. what should I check? |
| 14:01.27 | violinappren | ChrisW: it's waaaay much faster |
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| 14:01.39 | \amethyst | ChrisW: I would expect grep -F to be the fastest if you don't need a regex |
| 14:01.39 | themill | violinappren: not on debian, it's not |
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| 14:01.59 | remoteCTRL2 | hi guys! can anyone tell me how to get a shutdown button anywhere? for some reason that i dont understand i dont have any neither in the system menu nor in the taskbar? |
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| 14:02.19 | violinappren | themill: how come it's disabled on debian? |
| 14:02.19 | ChrisW | \amethyst: indeed :-) I'll use that... |
| 14:02.21 | jogla | System -> Shut Down.. |
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| 14:02.35 | clarjon1 | allo |
| 14:02.42 | \amethyst | violinappren: because PCRE is in /usr and grep is in /bin |
| 14:02.53 | themill | violinappren: because including it would require all of the pcre library to be included in /lib rather than /usr/lib and that's not something that people really wanted to do. |
| 14:02.58 | remoteCTRL2 | jogla: jepp i thought so too but there is non, and btw ther appears to be a lot missing in the system/administration menu also... |
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| 14:03.20 | mefiX | hey guys |
| 14:03.23 | jogla | Probably your user does not have the right to shut down the pc |
| 14:03.29 | \amethyst | themill: the sid version seems to dynamically load libpcre though |
| 14:03.32 | themill | Although if udev forces this separate /usr thing to go away, then maybe we'll get grep -P back |
| 14:03.37 | erwin | Hi, I did a clean install of debian squeeze yesterday. When running mysql in a terminal now the delete key produces a tilde (~). The key works fine in the terminal itself. Any thoughts? |
| 14:03.38 | \amethyst | themill: I don't know when that was introduced, though |
| 14:03.52 | themill | \amethyst: even better... I had been surprised that hadn't been done before. I couldn't see why not. |
| 14:03.58 | remoteCTRL2 | jogla: actually i gave the user all rights in the users and groups menu and it is in the sudoers file with root rights... |
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| 14:04.26 | jogla | Hmm. |
| 14:04.40 | remoteCTRL2 | this is so weird... |
| 14:04.51 | mefiX | what's the best way to realize an upload for web-files via ssh/scp for a web-server? www-data has no login, so how can files being uploaded automatically get the correct rights (www-data:www-data / 644/755)? |
| 14:05.16 | aidan | thanks jelly |
| 14:05.18 | remoteCTRL2 | brb |
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| 14:05.56 | violinappren | mefix: chown after uploading? |
| 14:06.13 | jelly | aidan: the 32bit architecture release, i386, should work as well |
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| 14:06.29 | EE_BB | hii all I have RTL8187b chipset usb wifi and using lenny and kernel 2.6.23 what can I do to use this device ? |
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| 14:06.34 | remoteCTRL2 | how do i enale a root login to gnome? |
| 14:06.42 | remoteCTRL2 | enable even |
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| 14:07.17 | ranix | why are you logging into gnome as root |
| 14:07.27 | clarjon1 | why would you want to do that? |
| 14:07.34 | mefiX | violinappren: is there a way to do this automatically? inheritance of rights / sticky bit / group management? |
| 14:07.38 | yacyac | can anyone tell me why am i getting this error and how can i fix it http://pastebin.com/m7bf2cc0b |
| 14:07.38 | jogla | To ensure his problem has nothing to do with rights. |
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| 14:08.09 | jogla | remoteCTRL2: System -> Login Window |
| 14:08.10 | clarjon1 | jogla: Open the user manager, check which groups he's in. See if he's in the proper groups. |
| 14:08.12 | remoteCTRL2 | ranix: i am not but i would like to because my one and only user does not even have rights to shut the device down, no idea why that is so but i would like to give it the rest of the missing rights |
| 14:08.35 | remoteCTRL2 | jogla: err nope... |
| 14:08.44 | violinappren | mefiX: may be you can "su" to www-data before transfer? |
| 14:08.51 | jogla | remoteCTRL2: sudo gdmsetup |
| 14:08.57 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: Go to the User manager (forget what it's called in gnome) |
| 14:09.13 | remoteCTRL2 | it is called users and groups |
| 14:09.14 | ranix | you should not run Gnome as root |
| 14:09.36 | ranix | instead, fix the problem where your user cannot turn off the machine |
| 14:09.37 | remoteCTRL2 | ranix: i am aware of that and i wont ever again after i fixed that;) |
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| 14:10.03 | ranix | there's gksudo for running certain things as root in gnome instead, remoteCTRL2 |
| 14:10.45 | wols | !tell EE_BB about rtl-wifi |
| 14:11.39 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: su to get to root in a terminal |
| 14:11.40 | remoteCTRL2 | ranix i know that there is also a password prompt if you open users and groups as it requires sudo rights but there is also only half of the features available in there to check as said before this is really weird... |
| 14:12.13 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: then, in the terminal, run: |
| 14:12.20 | clarjon1 | touch /etc/shutdown.alow |
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| 14:12.29 | clarjon1 | echo "yourusername" >> /etc/shutdown.allow |
| 14:12.59 | jogla | touch /etc/shutdown.allow |
| 14:13.06 | clarjon1 | that _should_ help |
| 14:13.12 | clarjon1 | yes |
| 14:13.25 | clarjon1 | bad typo :P |
| 14:13.36 | EE_BB | wols: sorry could not understand |
| 14:13.53 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: ok, interesting, thanks |
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| 14:14.26 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: There doesnt' seem to be all that many people with your issue... hmmmm |
| 14:14.29 | clarjon1 | ... |
| 14:14.41 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: You wouldn't happen to have 3d desktop enabled would you? |
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| 14:15.14 | clarjon1 | aka compiz-fusion |
| 14:15.33 | \amethyst | Has anyone been unsubscribed from debian-devel recently because their mail exchanger doesn't have an IPv6 address? |
| 14:15.40 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: nope all effex disaled |
| 14:15.44 | clarjon1 | hrm |
| 14:15.54 | clarjon1 | so much for that theory lol |
| 14:16.00 | remoteCTRL2 | this is so really awkward |
| 14:16.22 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: do you think this need a re-login in order to work? |
| 14:16.25 | clarjon1 | I've had a similar problem before, but that was because i had compiz-fusion with the XGL server :P |
| 14:16.36 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: it might, i'm still looking up the issue |
| 14:16.38 | remoteCTRL2 | because so far i still dont have any shutdown options in the system menu |
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| 14:16.46 | remoteCTRL2 | kk brb |
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| 14:17.28 | clarjon1 | any luck? |
| 14:17.33 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: nope still not there... |
| 14:17.36 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 14:17.44 | remoteCTRL2 | just dont believe it |
| 14:17.46 | azeem | RangerRick: /W 37 |
| 14:17.50 | azeem | eh, EWIN |
| 14:17.53 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: the user should be able to shutdown from the command line now... can they? |
| 14:17.58 | clarjon1 | lemme see what groups i've got... |
| 14:18.22 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: ya that worked previously already |
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| 14:18.44 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: i have already added my user to the root group |
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| 14:18.58 | remoteCTRL2 | which is also not a good thing to do.. |
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| 14:20.27 | remoteCTRL2 | gawd this is so driving me nuts |
| 14:21.30 | clarjon1 | hah |
| 14:21.31 | clarjon1 | aha |
| 14:21.33 | clarjon1 | i mean |
| 14:21.34 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 14:22.16 | clarjon1 | just to refresh my memory, gedit is the default text editor under gnome, yes? |
| 14:22.40 | clarjon1 | i can't remember lol |
| 14:22.51 | azeem | yes |
| 14:22.52 | clarjon1 | anyways, run your fave text editor as root |
| 14:23.21 | clarjon1 | open /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 14:23.32 | valdyn | remoteCTRL2: whats your debian release? |
| 14:23.47 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: yes it is |
| 14:24.00 | remoteCTRL2 | valdyn: lenny and uptodate |
| 14:24.12 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: yes? |
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| 14:25.01 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: look for "SecureSystemMenu" |
| 14:25.29 | remoteCTRL2 | kk, sec pls |
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| 14:26.11 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: btw, I believe what clarjon1's suggesting will allow shutdown from the GDM menu, not once you're logged in |
| 14:26.31 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: doesnt appear in there... |
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| 14:27.10 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: then the name of the variable would be slightly mischosen, right? |
| 14:27.16 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: if that is the case, you could try adding the user to group 'powerdev' |
| 14:27.29 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: SecureSystemMenu in gdm.conf controls GDM's system menu |
| 14:27.39 | remoteCTRL2 | powerdev aye, sec pls |
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| 14:28.03 | Sander__ | How come I cant login passwordless to a box when i've copied ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to ~/.ssh/identity.pub on the remote pc.? I've also done: ssh-agent /bin/sh and ssh-add |
| 14:28.04 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: clarjon1 problem is no such entry in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 14:28.58 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: phunny thing is my user is already in the powerdev group... |
| 14:29.10 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: I've had this problem too when i used GDM |
| 14:29.11 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: you can add the line SecureSystemMenu=false under the [greeter] section, but again that only affects the gdm menu |
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| 14:29.34 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: But no issue when using kdm. |
| 14:29.43 | remoteCTRL2 | would like to curse heavily rrrrrr |
| 14:29.47 | clarjon1 | is doing tests in his trusty vm |
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| 14:30.02 | remoteCTRL2 | hehe appretiate it clarjon1 |
| 14:30.22 | \amethyst | clarjon1: as in, which you use determines whether you get the 'shut down' menu item once you're logged in? |
| 14:30.59 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: yep. So it's worth a shot adding that line. |
| 14:31.45 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: what if i doint place this unter greeter but below gui? |
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| 14:32.06 | remoteCTRL2 | [gui]? |
| 14:32.11 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: Well, gnome doesn't let me shut down in either... but KDE only lets me shut down if i login thru kdm... same with my xfce, oddly enough o.o |
| 14:32.12 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: then I suspect it won't work |
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| 14:32.24 | pqbiru | I was wondering if it's possible to ssh to a remote machine, run a program and display it into the Xs of the same remote machine, allowing me to disconnect but leaving the program running. Any idea? |
| 14:32.36 | clarjon1 | hm |
| 14:32.45 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: or possibly it will work only if you use the themed greeter, I don't know |
| 14:32.47 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: is gnome-power-manager installed? outta curiosity |
| 14:33.02 | remoteCTRL2 | pqbiru: you are looking for nx server from nomachine |
| 14:33.05 | \amethyst | pqbiru: what do you mean by "disconnect" ? |
| 14:33.18 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: I think he wants something like screen for x |
| 14:33.25 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: gotta check that, sec pls |
| 14:33.37 | \amethyst | pqbiru: oh, the program is using the remote machine's X server, so there's no network forwarding of X involved? |
| 14:33.54 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: yepp is installed |
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| 14:34.42 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: he means that he wants to suspend the session and reestablish it later on |
| 14:34.56 | remoteCTRL2 | if i understand right |
| 14:35.05 | valdyn | pqbiru: sure that is possible |
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| 14:35.30 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL2: I wasn't sure because he said "into the Xs of the same remote machine" |
| 14:35.34 | valdyn | pqbiru: "DISPLAY=:0 program" usually |
| 14:35.40 | pqbiru | \amethyst: yes, I don't want the X forwarded to me. I'd like to run a program, let's say scribus, so that appears in the current remote X session, but I can still disconnect the ssh from my local machine |
| 14:35.44 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: He wants, essentially, screen for X. SSH in, run the command, log out of the computer, the process still running on the server, he can login later from a diff. machine/location/time via ssh to the same server. |
| 14:35.47 | pqbiru | I hope I explained myself... |
| 14:36.09 | \amethyst | pqbiru: ssh -x user@host DISPLAY=:0 program then ~. to disconnect the ssh session |
| 14:36.21 | pqbiru | clarjon1: that's it |
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| 14:36.39 | valdyn | pqbiru: -x is redundant or harmfull |
| 14:36.46 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: I'm out of ideas, sorry |
| 14:36.56 | \amethyst | -x turns of X forwarding |
| 14:36.58 | \amethyst | off |
| 14:36.59 | valdyn | err nevermind |
| 14:37.03 | valdyn | \amethyst: yea, sorry |
| 14:37.11 | remoteCTRL2 | \amethyst: wow nice command line, learned something of value! |
| 14:37.28 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: hehe join the club... but thanks for the attempt! |
| 14:37.30 | \amethyst | pqbiru: this assumes the user you're connecting as is the one who's running X |
| 14:37.41 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: Have you used screen before, out of curiosity? |
| 14:37.46 | \amethyst | pqbiru: err, the one who's logged in to X that is... they need to have Xauthority |
| 14:37.47 | pqbiru | \amethyst: yes, sure |
| 14:37.50 | \amethyst | clarjon1: yes |
| 14:38.06 | clarjon1 | \amethyst: He wants to essentially have screen, but for X apps |
| 14:38.22 | remoteCTRL2 | ok, guys ill ask again in #gnome... |
| 14:38.32 | clarjon1 | remoteCTRL2: best of luck, i hope you get it fixed! |
| 14:38.38 | jpinx-eeepc | pqbiru: it's hard to get remote X sessions to diconnect and re-connect - I've been tryong for a while |
| 14:38.38 | \amethyst | clarjon1: but that would involve forwarding the X connection to him, which he doesn't want |
| 14:38.54 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: x11vnc works, in a pinch |
| 14:39.22 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: looking t what pqbiru wants - x11vnc is not it |
| 14:39.23 | \amethyst | clarjon1: (through an intermediary) |
| 14:39.27 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: if you always have one X session running on a machine's console, and nothing else |
| 14:39.30 | remoteCTRL2 | clarjon1: well i dont hope to get much info in #gnome as you really dont ever get anything fixed in there but its my last shot... |
| 14:39.41 | remoteCTRL2 | thanks anyways guys... |
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| 14:39.56 | valdyn | remoteCTRL2: the new gnome changed completely how this works |
| 14:40.05 | valdyn | remoteCTRL2: is #gnome is probably not the right place to ask |
| 14:40.11 | jpinx-eeepc | pqbiru: I run ssh -X but I can't contol what goes to the remote console |
| 14:40.15 | valdyn | remoteCTRL2: unless you arent really running lenny |
| 14:40.29 | remoteCTRL2 | valdyn: sure i am running lenny |
| 14:40.53 | pqbiru | thank you guys for the input, i'm going to try with the ssh -x user@host DISPLAY=:0 program, That should do ideally what I want, not screen or vnc. cheers! |
| 14:41.19 | jpinx-eeepc | steals that idea too |
| 14:41.40 | \amethyst | pqbiru: remember what I said about the logged in user... if you're sshing as someone else, XAUTHORITY won't let you connect to the server |
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| 14:42.00 | \amethyst | pqbiru: you might have to xauth -merge ~/.Xauthority anyway, depending on the config |
| 14:42.06 | yuastnav | Yo, how save is it actually to upgrade to the current testing? |
| 14:42.18 | pqbiru | \amethyst: yes, I have that in mind. thanks |
| 14:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: but if no-one is logged int the remote box - there'll not be a conflictt |
| 14:42.44 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: if no one is logged in then either X isn't running, or it's running gdm and no one can connect to it |
| 14:42.45 | valdyn | yuastnav: 37.5 |
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| 14:43.20 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: and you won't be able to get the xauth cookie you need to connect |
| 14:43.22 | yuastnav | I'll take that as a hint to wait until the actual release. Thanks. :) |
| 14:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: ah - gotcha - ok |
| 14:43.39 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: whereas if they are logged in, the cookie will be in their ~/.Xauthority file (or somewhere, anyway) |
| 14:43.42 | valdyn | yuastnav: theres no current release notes, depending on the packages you use this can be very painful |
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| 14:44.15 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: so the remote box needs to not have started x at all |
| 14:44.41 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: well, if the remote box doesn't have X started, you'll need to run startx |
| 14:44.50 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 14:45.12 | jpinx-eeepc | needs to think about this over a coffee |
| 14:45.16 | gad1 | linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 is a 64bit kernel version and cannot be used on 32bit right ? |
| 14:45.28 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: pqbiru originally said "current remote X session" so I assume there is already one active and we don't need to startx |
| 14:45.58 | \amethyst | gad1: it cannot be used on 32-bit hardware, correct |
| 14:45.59 | gad1 | 32bit distro* |
| 14:46.19 | \amethyst | gad1: Debian supports using a 64-bit kernel in 32-bit debian |
| 14:46.46 | \amethyst | gad1: so you could use that kernel if your hardware supports it (but the kernel itself is linux-image-* not linux-headers-* ) |
| 14:47.52 | \amethyst | gad1: when I tried I had problems with fglrx (64-bit fglrx kernel module wouldn't talk to 32-bit fglrx X server module), but if you're not using proprietary drivers that shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:48.22 | gad1 | \amethyst, I have a debian 32bit but I install a 64bit kernel now and it seems to work fine, I need to install nvidia drivers as well |
| 14:48.40 | gad1 | \amethyst, then it would create problems rith ? |
| 14:48.40 | \amethyst | gad1: ah, then, yes, that is the header you need |
| 14:48.54 | \amethyst | gad1: I haven't tried it with nvidia, it did cause problems with ATI |
| 14:49.26 | gad1 | \amethyst, what if I install 32bit kernel do I still need to install headers as well ? |
| 14:49.34 | \amethyst | gad1: yes, the ones that go with the 32-bit kernel |
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| 14:49.39 | valdyn | gad1: where did you get the kernel from? |
| 14:49.47 | \amethyst | gad1: they're used for compiling modules |
| 14:49.48 | gad1 | debian repos |
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| 14:50.11 | \amethyst | gad1: there might be a precompiled nvidia-kernel package for your kernel |
| 14:50.44 | \amethyst | gad1: but probably not---the precompiled ones seem to be for 2.6.26 |
| 14:50.44 | gad1 | other then nvidia/ati using a 64kernel with 32bit distro shouldn't be a problem ? |
| 14:50.58 | gad1 | ah |
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| 14:51.03 | \amethyst | gad1: correct |
| 14:51.09 | shynobi | come faccio a far riconoscere la webcam? |
| 14:51.19 | valdyn | gad1: depends on the build system of your kernel module |
| 14:51.23 | \amethyst | !it |
| 14:51.24 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:51.24 | valdyn | gad1: they can fail badly |
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| 14:51.40 | shynobi | ok |
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| 14:54.06 | gad1 | valdyn, \amethyst Thank you for the info. |
| 14:55.01 | jelly | is there a way to make a user unable to change permissions on their $HOME directory, but be able to manipulate be contents like usual? |
| 14:55.41 | valdyn | jelly: now what would be the point of that? |
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| 14:56.26 | jelly | valdyn: to prevent the user from making his home ugo+wx like tutorials tell them to |
| 14:56.44 | jelly | (ugo+rwx, but whatever) |
| 14:57.01 | pqbiru | \amethyst: trying the command you suggested before (ssh -x user@host DISPLAY=:0 program) i get as output: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: Can't open display: :0. Any idea what's going on? |
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| 14:57.24 | \amethyst | pqbiru: xauth |
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| 14:58.09 | pqbiru | shoud I type in the command you said before for merging .Xauthority? |
| 14:58.12 | \amethyst | pqbiru: is 'user' the same user who's already running X? |
| 14:58.22 | pqbiru | \amethyst: yes |
| 14:58.47 | \amethyst | pqbiru: does the user have an ~/.Xauthority? |
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| 14:59.50 | pqbiru | \amethyst: yes, it does |
| 14:59.50 | \amethyst | pqbiru: hm, I wonder why it's not using it already... but you can try that |
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| 15:01.52 | \amethyst | pqbiru: ssh -x user@host 'export DISPLAY=:0; xauth merge ~/.Xauthority; xterm' maybe |
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| 15:02.14 | \amethyst | pqbiru: where 'xterm' is the program you want to run |
| 15:02.22 | martin12345 | Is dpkg able to track those configuration files as well, what program creates after the installation during the work? Or how does "dpkg --purge packagename" work? I mean does dpkg just look into /etc folder and delete all the files from there related with the package or has dpkg some more advanced system to find configuration files? |
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| 15:02.47 | \amethyst | pqbiru: if that doesn't work, I'm not sure... you could try checking the $XAUTHORITY env var in the logged-in session to make sure it's pointing to ~/.Xauthority and not somewhere else |
| 15:03.04 | \amethyst | martin12345: each package lists its conffiles |
| 15:03.13 | themill | martin12345: see /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles |
| 15:03.26 | Titan8990 | martin12345, purge deletes all files that were installed by the package. if the application required that you make your own config file, openvpn for example, the config file will not be removed |
| 15:03.34 | \amethyst | martin12345: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.conffiles |
| 15:04.13 | \amethyst | martin12345: what Titan8990 said, unless the package's postrm script explicitly removes the non-packaged files |
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| 15:04.37 | \amethyst | martin12345: there's no magic, just work by the maintainer :) |
| 15:04.55 | valdyn | martin12345: files created at runtime of the program are not configuration files |
| 15:04.59 | \amethyst | martin12345: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postrm for the postrm script |
| 15:05.09 | valdyn | martin12345: they're also not stored in /etc/ but at ~/ or /var/ |
| 15:05.15 | pqbiru | \amethyst: thanks, I'm going to give that a try. |
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| 15:05.34 | valdyn | martin12345: and how they are dealt with depends on the package maintainer |
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| 15:07.51 | BenB | where can I find install media (ISO, archive) for debian lenny? (I know it's obsolete, but I need it) |
| 15:08.02 | valdyn | BenB: its not obsolete |
| 15:08.07 | valdyn | BenB: www.debian.org |
| 15:08.27 | BenB | valdyn: sorry, I mean sarge (3.1) |
| 15:09.18 | valdyn | BenB: archive.debian.org |
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| 15:09.48 | BenB | thanks |
| 15:10.27 | martin12345 | ok, thanks for the info!! |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | !tell BenB about cd archive |
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| 15:16.04 | rdz | hi all. i have fcheck installed on a virtual openvz machine. whenever i migrate the machine, fcheck reports a huge list of changed inode numbers. is there a way to specifically disable the inode check? checksum check should be suffciient.. |
| 15:16.35 | BenB | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:28.35 | Sergio` | How can I freeze my terminal for 1 minute, locking all keyboard input but retaining what was is on the screen? Something like sleep but that completely locks it. |
| 15:28.53 | Dominicus | Where do I go to obtain a Debian LiveCD. I installed Windows Vista, and the nutter overwrote my grub2 bootloader. From what I can tell, I need to boot from a livecd (if I can even get one), and run grub or something to fix it. |
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| 15:29.15 | markit | hi, I've to rsync two disk, but the I/O is so heavy that my PC desktop is "trashing". Is there a way to limit I/O of a process? |
| 15:29.17 | mortsmel | Sergio`: hit scroll lock |
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| 15:29.25 | mbruisn | hi, whats a free application to extract rar? unrar doesnt seem to be free |
| 15:29.26 | mortsmel | Sergio`: is that what you mean |
| 15:29.43 | Sergio` | mortsmel: no, the idea was to force a user to wait one minute. |
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| 15:29.53 | mortsmel | sleep |
| 15:29.53 | Sergio` | No matter what he does. |
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| 15:30.07 | mortsmel | not sure |
| 15:30.09 | Sergio` | I can press ctrl+c to exit it. |
| 15:30.29 | mortsmel | well your not making this easy for me |
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| 15:30.35 | mortsmel | no idea :) |
| 15:30.43 | Sergio` | Thanks. :) |
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| 15:31.01 | hark | mbruisn: unrar-free, read the description |
| 15:31.51 | mbruisn | hark: ty aptitude search diddnt give me unrar-free |
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| 15:37.10 | valdyn | mback2k: p7zip |
| 15:37.19 | valdyn | ops |
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| 15:38.29 | hark | valdyn: but it's non-free |
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| 15:38.58 | valdyn | hark: p7zip isnt non-free |
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| 15:39.14 | hark | judd info p7zip-rar |
| 15:39.14 | judd | hark: p7zip-rar (non-free/utils): is optional; Version: 4.58~ds.1-1; Size: 54.3k; Installed: 116k -- non-free rar module for p7zip |
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| 15:39.49 | valdyn | hark: there should be a free unrar module included though |
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| 15:41.19 | hark | valdyn: maybe |
| 15:42.17 | valdyn | hark: mm, looks like youre right. Debian might have changed packaging later on |
| 15:43.34 | otosaxel | Hi all, I have 1 question |
| 15:43.50 | otosaxel | I have installed debian lenny on My EEE PC 2 G surf |
| 15:43.54 | otosaxel | with wiki |
| 15:43.57 | otosaxel | Tipps |
| 15:44.16 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 15:44.56 | otosaxel | but ACPI works bad, I have add test source on my apt and update ACPI to .12 version |
| 15:45.08 | otosaxel | but I still have the problem :( |
| 15:45.11 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: did you add the acpifor the eeepc |
| 15:45.16 | Yeretik | Hi, how can i use wget 2 download just all .zip files from a url ? |
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| 15:46.13 | otosaxel | Yes I have installed ACPI, eeepc-acpi-scripts |
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| 15:46.38 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: and what doesn't work? |
| 15:46.47 | Yeretik | Can anybody help me ? |
| 15:47.01 | otosaxel | CPU MHZ change and sleep |
| 15:47.36 | clarjon1 | otosaxel: is your user in the powerdev group? |
| 15:47.45 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: there is no facility to change the cpu speed |
| 15:48.03 | otosaxel | yes user ist in this group |
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| 15:48.27 | otosaxel | but on the new version ACPI muss change on unplluged mode mhz |
| 15:48.29 | jogla | How can i tell debian to automatically load the vbox module? |
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| 15:48.37 | otosaxel | http://git.debian.org/?p=debian-eeepc/eeepc-acpi-scripts.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/shengine |
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| 15:49.04 | Yeretik | Hi, how can i use wget 2 download just .zip files from a url ? |
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| 15:49.05 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: and sleep is configured in /etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh |
| 15:49.11 | otosaxel | I have not VirtualBox |
| 15:49.11 | hark | jogla: see /etc/default/virtualbox-ose |
| 15:49.24 | DeathWolf | hello, after installing a 2.6.30 kernel, I am now getting "selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios" when trying to boot it(grub). However it works fine with the older kernels, so I tried dpkg-reconfigure'ing the kernel image but without any result. |
| 15:49.28 | DeathWolf | Any ideas? |
| 15:49.35 | hark | jogla: and /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose/ |
| 15:49.43 | jogla | thank you |
| 15:49.44 | hark | Yeretik: use the -A option |
| 15:50.03 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: what new version of acpi? |
| 15:50.03 | Yeretik | hark, On wget ? |
| 15:50.13 | otosaxel | eeepc-acpi-scripts (shengine branch) supports these plus "auto" mode (which will, by default, try to underclock when on battery), but no key is assigned. It is intended that this will be supported in 1.1.2. |
| 15:50.45 | otosaxel | on lenny onli 1.0.4 |
| 15:50.50 | otosaxel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.53 | otosaxel | new test repos |
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| 15:51.05 | otosaxel | and update the system, but ACPI works same |
| 15:51.30 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: I believe that they are not stable - I use the original acpi with no problems |
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| 15:51.44 | DeathWolf | The grub menu.lst entries for both the working 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 are exactly the same set aside the version numbers and kernel/initrd files. |
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| 15:51.53 | DeathWolf | So I can not figure why it suddenly would stop working... |
| 15:52.08 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: try in #debian-eeepc@irc.oftc.net |
| 15:52.11 | pozic | How can I remove the trash from a usb key without umounting in the GUI in Gnome? |
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| 15:52.16 | otosaxel | but original (1.0.4) have not CPU mhz downcklock |
| 15:52.46 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: downclock from 633? please?...... |
| 15:53.10 | jpinx-eeepc | pozic: you can from the commandline |
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| 15:53.23 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: by rm -rf .Trash*? |
| 15:53.29 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: is there anything better? |
| 15:53.33 | otosaxel | yes, downcklock, for battery life :) |
| 15:53.58 | jpinx-eeepc | pozic: not that I know of - unless your gnome will allow you to do stuff as root |
| 15:54.20 | jpinx-eeepc | otosaxel: anyslower and it might as well be suspended ;) |
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| 15:54.46 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: gnome should just ask whether I want to delete the stuff from the key when I copy more to it. |
| 15:54.54 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: just bad usability. |
| 15:55.00 | otosaxel | but with original XANDROS have that no problem :) |
| 15:55.17 | pozic | What does MacOSX do in that case? |
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| 15:55.36 | pozic | It's the difference between polished/non-polished. |
| 15:55.48 | DeathWolf | maybe I should force purge remove the kernel package and reinstall it |
| 15:55.58 | Yeretik | hark, I'm trying wget -c -A zip http://www.segurmatica.cu/bases/ and it doesn't works... What i'm doing wrong ? |
| 15:56.21 | undercoverzwerg | hi. does anyone know, if there is a gpg key for yacy repo? "deb http://debian.yacy.net" |
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| 15:57.47 | hark | Yeretik: put an -r there as well |
| 15:58.08 | hark | Yeretik: wait |
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| 15:58.18 | Yeretik | hark, Ok |
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| 15:59.51 | hark | Yeretik: see this, instead of mp3s, do it for zips. http://veen.com/jeff/archives/000573.html |
| 15:59.54 | MrTorque | hi. how do i install security updates? do they appear with apt-get update? |
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| 16:00.23 | DeathWolf | great |
| 16:00.24 | hark | yes, make sure you have the security repository in your sources.list |
| 16:00.26 | DeathWolf | now it borked grub... |
| 16:00.29 | DeathWolf | no more menu |
| 16:00.29 | DeathWolf | sigh |
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| 16:02.57 | DeathWolf | cant even boot anymore... |
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| 16:04.24 | MrTorque | hark: and how are they installed? apt-get update doesn't install a thing, does it? |
| 16:05.58 | hark | MrTorque: no, /msg dpkg reference |
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| 16:07.28 | martin12345 | What does a PCM stand for in alsamixer? |
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| 16:14.33 | DeathWolf | arg, now I'm getting "inconsistent filesystem structure" from grub from 2.6.30, yet 2.6.26 boots perfectly |
| 16:14.36 | DeathWolf | any ideas? |
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| 16:14.45 | DeathWolf | (both are standard debian kernels, dpkg-installed) |
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| 16:16.00 | azeem | from grub or from 2.6.30? |
| 16:16.13 | DeathWolf | grub shows me the mnu |
| 16:16.16 | DeathWolf | *menu |
| 16:16.19 | DeathWolf | Then I choose 2.6.30 |
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| 16:16.50 | DeathWolf | and just after "initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.30-2-486" it says "error 16: inconsistent filesystem structure" |
| 16:16.59 | DeathWolf | seems to be at grub level though, since there's no kernel boot indication |
| 16:17.31 | DeathWolf | actually it is because if I press a key it sends me back to grub menu |
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| 16:19.07 | ville | Howdy, just switched to debian and slight trouble with the fonts. What do you debianisens use for a fixed width font for programming and terminal? |
| 16:19.09 | DeathWolf | This makes no sense... |
| 16:19.26 | ville | Preferably a sans-serif font |
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| 16:20.42 | markit | any info about kernel 2.6.31 in sid? I've tried to experiment btrfs, partitioned an hd, formatted but once I try to mount I get an error... probably 2.6.31 works much better |
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| 16:21.46 | laurus | Is there an aptitude equivalent for the apt-key command? |
| 16:21.57 | Titan8990 | markit, if your in need of bleeding-edge kernel features, you should visit kernel.org |
| 16:22.06 | azeem | laurus: what's wrong with apt-key? |
| 16:22.28 | laurus | azeem, I don't know, I've just been told by people to always use aptitude instead of apt-get, so I assumed apt-key was for apt-get, not aptitude. |
| 16:22.29 | markit | Titan8990: I can wait for sid having it, just wondering if there are info about when it will arrive |
| 16:22.30 | Titan8990 | its easier to use aptitude for everything? |
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| 16:22.57 | Titan8990 | markit, i have a feeling the answer to that is "when its ready" |
| 16:23.15 | d1b | Titan8990: for sid ;) ? |
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| 16:23.48 | Titan8990 | d1b, yeah... there atleast some prep to go from experiment -> sid |
| 16:24.18 | d1b | Titan8990: apparently it isn't in sid because the kernel guys server was broken recently ;) |
| 16:25.08 | markit | d1b: because of a kernel error? would be funny if so |
| 16:25.18 | d1b | markit: no idea. |
| 16:25.23 | markit | just joking |
| 16:25.28 | d1b | markit: i just get my kernels from kernel.org :) |
| 16:25.39 | d1b | uname -a |
| 16:25.40 | d1b | Linux majora 2.6.31.3 |
| 16:25.50 | markit | d1b: I'm an "aptitude addicted", hardly install anything outside aptitude |
| 16:25.59 | markit | oh, lovely :) |
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| 16:27.13 | doomster | greetings! |
| 16:27.33 | markit | I use kvm also, so I guess I have a) compile myself, but compilation is broken since debian people changed something I don't understand, b) wait debian to release new kernel and new kvm for it |
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| 16:28.06 | doomster | what is the policy on temp files? I have a program that hard-codes /var/tmp/some_file, should I file a bug that it should use $TEMP instead? |
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| 16:29.58 | asaleem | How do I install icedov-2.0 in etch? |
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| 16:30.19 | markit | doomster: what if 2 users use that same program? they overwrite each other'ssome_file? too bad |
| 16:30.20 | asaleem | Upgrading to lenny mess up my xwindows |
| 16:31.01 | markit | doomster: so I think is not just a matter of $TEMP, but also use a "random" name for the file |
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| 16:31.20 | markit | (probably there is a system call to have a valid, not used, filename for tmp) |
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| 16:32.48 | doomster | true... |
| 16:33.32 | marzipan | Hi there. I'm trying to write a simple backupscript, which should like for files containing ".adr" in my home folder. I tried: if [ -f /home/me/*.adr ]; then cp *.adr fi ... wildcard seems to work with "cp" but not with the "if"-statement |
| 16:33.46 | marzipan | what might be the problem? |
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| 16:34.24 | doomster | marzipan: the * is resolved inline, I don't think 'if' can handle a multitude of arguments |
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| 16:35.21 | doomster | marzipan: find -name '*.adr' -exec cp {} ~/backups \; |
| 16:35.29 | doomster | (untested!) |
| 16:35.37 | marzipan | hm, how would i state then "if ANY file containing .adr" ist there, then.... |
| 16:35.51 | marzipan | doomster thanks |
| 16:36.17 | doomster | you can invoke 'find' in a way that it only returns found/not found |
| 16:36.30 | marzipan | ok, i'll try that |
| 16:36.38 | asaleem | Upgrading to lenny mess up my xwindows |
| 16:36.41 | asaleem | How do I install icedov-2.0 in etch? |
| 16:36.49 | marzipan | just thought i had missed somehting in my if-statement |
| 16:36.55 | marzipan | thanks a lot :-) |
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| 16:37.30 | doomster | BTW: "for i in *" is very bad when it comes to names with spaces in them. Further, "*.adr", the dot is a wildcard that matches a single character. |
| 16:38.08 | sway_ | find | grep '.adr' > outfile.foo |
| 16:38.28 | Titan8990 | doomster, thats only bad if you don't quote "$i" |
| 16:38.42 | Titan8990 | according to greycat's wiki its preferred |
| 16:39.18 | Titan8990 | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 16:39.18 | d1b | doomster: for i in `ls`; ok ? |
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| 16:39.30 | Titan8990 | d1b, no, its not, read the article above |
| 16:39.35 | d1b | ok |
| 16:39.40 | Titan8990 | and backticks are almost never ok |
| 16:39.52 | Titan8990 | it would be for i in $(ls); if anything |
| 16:40.12 | DeathWolf | does anyone why grub still puts search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 82ab85f3-6a6a-47b8-a94f-ae593eb283c5 when GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID is set to true? |
| 16:40.31 | Titan8990 | d1b, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
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| 16:41.58 | DeathWolf | this is stopping my grub from booting |
| 16:42.02 | d1b | Titan8990: so... i should use find ? |
| 16:42.05 | doomster | Titan8990: are you sure? The point is that * will expand to the list of filenames separated by a space, IIUC. The "for i in" will then iterate that text breaking at each space. |
| 16:42.42 | Titan8990 | doomster, quote "$i" will prevent files with spaces from expanding to multiple files |
| 16:42.58 | Titan8990 | let me see if i can find the FAQ on it |
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| 16:43.22 | _stack_ | for i in *; ....don't use for i in $(ls) |
| 16:43.43 | doomster | Titan8990: I don't mean when referencing 'i' but the loop construct |
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| 16:44.06 | DeathWolf | or use ls|while read i; do ... ; done |
| 16:44.29 | Titan8990 | DeathWolf, according the FAQ i linked a min ago, ls should not be parsed |
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| 16:44.47 | DeathWolf | parsing find is a better idea |
| 16:44.55 | d1b | Titan8990: i understand their reasoning but i don't agree. |
| 16:44.56 | doomster | Titan8990: actually, bash does the right thing with "for i in *", but I don't understand why... %] |
| 16:45.00 | DeathWolf | setting separator to \0 and using find -print0 :D |
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| 16:45.11 | d1b | i will continue to use ls. unless it is not safe :) |
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| 16:45.37 | doomster | d1b: it fails with spaces? |
| 16:45.43 | Titan8990 | d1b, did you read the article? |
| 16:45.45 | d1b | doomster: care factor ==0 |
| 16:45.48 | d1b | Titan8990: of course. |
| 16:45.51 | Imran-UK | if iv plugged in an external usb hdd thats not automounted, whats the canonical way of finding out the device name? |
| 16:45.56 | d1b | but for that kind of stuff i just use python |
| 16:46.09 | doomster | hehe ... =) |
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| 16:46.30 | sway_ | df? |
| 16:46.34 | d1b | subprocess :) |
| 16:46.41 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, dmesg | tail -15 |
| 16:46.49 | marzipan | bye folks and thx :-) |
| 16:46.55 | doomster | Imran-UK: pmount <tab><tab> |
| 16:47.19 | Imran-UK | Titan8990, i was hoping to avoid dmesg, i was hoping for a single command. maybe car /proc/devices is closest? |
| 16:47.44 | doomster | /proc/partitions |
| 16:47.54 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, ehh... dmesg | grep -B10 usb-storage |
| 16:48.23 | Titan8990 | one-liner still |
| 16:48.27 | Imran-UK | doomster, will that list unmounted partitions/devs? |
| 16:48.52 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, if you could pick it out of a list, use fdisk -l |
| 16:49.07 | Titan8990 | dmesg is the most "sure" way of knowing that its the usb drive imo |
| 16:49.31 | Titan8990 | although if its the only vfat volume or something it will be easy to pick out of fdisk -l |
| 16:50.05 | doomster | Imran-UK: I'd hope so, what else would be its use? |
| 16:50.35 | doomster | though it lists my mounted one twice ... |
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| 16:51.01 | Imran-UK | Titan8990, thanks. its an external usb hdd. i'm writing instructions on how to use cryptmount with it. it requires the device name in the config. i want an easier way of listing the device id than dmesg (if possible). by default its /dev/sdd1 but i understand that id is subject to change depending on the devices already present |
| 16:52.03 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, how could anything possibly be easier than that dmesg command? |
| 16:53.01 | doomster | there are people that get nervous from just watching the messages scroll by while booting... |
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| 16:53.21 | Imran-UK | Titan8990, its just a bit messy, thats all |
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| 16:54.26 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, dmesg | grep 'sd' | tail -1 |
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| 16:54.35 | Titan8990 | clean enough? |
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| 16:55.42 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, my output was: [944426.834088] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 16:56.09 | Titan8990 | Imran-UK, but that will report only the last usb storage device to be plugged in |
| 16:56.53 | Imran-UK | Titan8990, that may well the way. i'm looking at lsusb for a minute. just plugged in my usb mp3 player as an example and seeing if i can marry up [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk with lsusb output |
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| 16:58.55 | Imran-UK | the last entry in "cat /proc/partitions" lists the device id (the partition) i need |
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| 16:59.10 | Imran-UK | lsusb is pretty useless otherwise |
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| 17:03.45 | gs94 | the wallpaper is packed here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Overglossed?content=74813 |
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| 17:30.31 | OpenTokix | Myyyy eyesssss |
| 17:30.41 | clarjon1 | OpenTokix: You have them! |
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| 17:32.57 | elninja | When will testing security support be resumed? |
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| 17:34.21 | Titan8990 | !testing security |
| 17:34.21 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 17:35.38 | sigmonsays | Anyone notice that apt-get eats stdin for no reason? When I am pastinng commands the ones after apt-get never run |
| 17:35.48 | sigmonsays | Is there a way to avoid that besides the nasty < /dev/null thing? |
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| 17:37.02 | sway_ | how could apt return True? |
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| 17:38.10 | jelly | sigmonsays: what if, during the process, it asks for something? |
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| 17:38.32 | sigmonsays | but it doesn't. |
| 17:38.45 | jelly | sigmonsays: use a single line. foo; apt-get; bar; baz |
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| 17:38.56 | sway_ | ooo |
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| 17:39.11 | sigmonsays | Hrm. I will try |
| 17:39.20 | clarjon1 | "Package needs blah blah installed, download? [Y/n] |
| 17:39.25 | clarjon1 | or similar |
| 17:39.28 | sigmonsays | that's annoying tho |
| 17:39.35 | clarjon1 | it's happened to me |
| 17:39.37 | sway_ | what happens if the apt-get fails and the ; runs the subsequent command that may or may not be associated with successful completion of the apt-get? |
| 17:39.55 | sigmonsays | who cares |
| 17:40.01 | clarjon1 | sway_: command1 && command2 |
| 17:40.05 | sway_ | heh. right on |
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| 17:40.06 | jelly | sway_: the admin shot himself in the foot. |
| 17:40.14 | clarjon1 | sway_: if command1 exits without error run command2 |
| 17:40.25 | sway_ | jelly: heh |
| 17:40.36 | sway_ | clarjon1: yeah, but how can apt return True? |
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| 17:40.51 | jelly | sway_: but this user pastes multilines into the shell blindly, so they obviously don't care about "successful" anything |
| 17:41.12 | clarjon1 | sway_: it doesn't return true, it returns a numeric code. If i remember correctly, 0 == successful run... |
| 17:41.19 | clarjon1 | i could be wrong tho |
| 17:41.28 | jelly | sway_: exit status 0 means "true" |
| 17:41.33 | clarjon1 | woot! |
| 17:41.45 | sway_ | jelly: well, the people in this channel, present company included, taught me a different meaning to the word 'working' |
| 17:41.58 | sway_ | clarjon1: 0 == True |
| 17:42.10 | sway_ | yeah, what jelly said |
| 17:42.33 | jelly | sway_: complain to the people who made C and Unix. |
| 17:42.33 | sphenxes | i have an account on hostmonster.com? I would like to play audio (mp3 & video) on my homepage (joomla & moodle)? what files should i install on the server, or theses files are already their? The sever is a linux sever |
| 17:42.41 | sway_ | complains |
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| 17:45.28 | jelly | echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nexit 0" > true.sh; chmod 755 true.sh; if ./true.sh; then echo "it's true"; else echo "it's false"; fi |
| 17:45.29 | iceroot | sphenxes: the webpage is not playing the audio, that is the client |
| 17:46.00 | sphenxes | iceroot, thanks |
| 17:46.03 | sway_ | heh |
| 17:46.27 | jelly | make that echo argument single instead of double-quoted |
| 17:47.26 | jelly | also, #bash |
| 17:48.33 | sway_ | see what i mean about being taught what working really means? |
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| 17:55.04 | macrobat | sway_: you can pipe the command "yes". try 'yes "macrobat is teh awesum"' |
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| 17:56.20 | macrobat | yes might be frowned upon |
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| 17:57.18 | sway_ | ok. one sec |
| 17:57.41 | farhad_hf | hi |
| 17:57.51 | farhad_hf | Is there a repository for installing kernel 2.6.31 ? Or I should compile it myself? |
| 17:57.55 | sway_ | macrobat: it work'd! |
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| 17:58.57 | sway_ | macrobat: thank you |
| 17:59.00 | farhad_hf | the kernel-archive.buildserver.net repo doesn't work for me, |
| 17:59.38 | macrobat | :) i think its better to see the question apt asks you and then decide |
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| 18:00.18 | abrotman | farhad_hf: just be patient and wait ? |
| 18:00.32 | macrobat | judd: versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:00.32 | judd | macrobat: linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+21 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 |
| 18:00.47 | sway_ | macrobat: i agree |
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| 18:02.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:08.05 | megatog615 | hello |
| 18:08.18 | megatog615 | for some reason many packages aren't extracting their /etc/init.d/ scripts |
| 18:08.53 | abrotman | were they installed before and you removed the scripts manually? |
| 18:09.29 | megatog615 | probably |
| 18:09.43 | megatog615 | is there a conf file listing all of them? |
| 18:10.00 | megatog615 | actually it is very likely that i deleted them |
| 18:10.11 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 18:10.13 | megatog615 | because they weren't being removed when i removed the package |
| 18:10.15 | abrotman | !tell megatog615 about confmiss |
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| 18:10.33 | abrotman | they're not supposed to be removed .. man aptitude .. read about remove versus purge |
| 18:11.00 | megatog615 | thank oyu |
| 18:11.02 | megatog615 | *you |
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| 18:17.33 | maligor | !ops MetaLLady_sleepi porn spam bot |
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| 18:17.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: maligor complains about: MetaLLady_sleepi porn spam bot |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | maligor: thank you |
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| 18:20.22 | maligor | but I'm doing it for selfish reasons :P |
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| 18:23.26 | yacyac | when i try to apt-get b43-fwcutter it says couldnt find package. |
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| 18:25.39 | abrotman | judd: info b43-fwcutter --release lenny |
| 18:25.40 | judd | abrotman: b43-fwcutter (contrib/utils): is optional; Version: 1:011-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 68k -- Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware |
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| 18:25.50 | abrotman | yacyac: do you hve the contrib sources enabled ? |
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| 18:26.36 | yacyac | abrotman, i have no idea. i am a new user |
| 18:26.48 | abrotman | yacyac: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:27.20 | linduxed1 | is there a way to have apt provide me with a fresh set of conf files? |
| 18:27.27 | linduxed1 | in this case its about samba |
| 18:27.48 | yacyac | i dont think contrib is enabled |
| 18:27.52 | linduxed1 | is "aptitude purge samba && aptitude install samba" the way to go? |
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| 18:28.34 | yacyac | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m390a428f |
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| 18:28.58 | abrotman | !tell linduxed1 about confmiss |
| 18:29.04 | abrotman | !tell yacyac about contrib |
| 18:29.18 | \amethyst | linduxed1: maybe aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew --force-confmiss" reinstall package |
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| 18:29.47 | linduxed1 | \amethyst: will try |
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| 18:30.38 | yacyac | abrotman, deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib |
| 18:30.43 | yacyac | i just have to add that line ? |
| 18:30.48 | abrotman | no |
| 18:31.06 | abrotman | just append " contrib" to lines 5/6/8/9 |
| 18:32.34 | yacyac | abrotman, sorry but i am lil confused |
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| 18:33.24 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | hello |
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| 18:33.31 | abrotman | yacyac: http://pastebin.com/mfee2fec |
| 18:33.55 | Saiter | hi |
| 18:33.56 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | could someone please tell me wtf I can do when logging into KDE 4 for the first time after a dist-upgrade gives me a black screen for 10 minutes? |
| 18:34.14 | yacyac | abrotman, add it befor the main ? |
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| 18:34.28 | abrotman | yacyac: i just pasted exactly what you need |
| 18:34.50 | linduxed1 | !tell linduxed1 about confmiss |
| 18:34.51 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | (I see only the mouse pointer) |
| 18:35.01 | yacyac | ok |
| 18:35.02 | yacyac | thanks man |
| 18:36.04 | macrobat | Pegasus_RPGAMD64: maybe disable kdm and use startx or startkde; but first: do you have the right drivers? |
| 18:36.46 | abrotman | !tell linduxed about selftell |
| 18:36.58 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | macrobat: the login screen displays just fine |
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| 18:37.06 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | i.e. KDM is working |
| 18:37.08 | linduxed | abrotman: thx |
| 18:37.13 | macrobat | Pegasus_RPGAMD64: you might accidentally have started openbox. a friend of mine did that |
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| 18:37.49 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | I tried renaming .kde and .kde4 then logging in again and it did some stuff then got stuck again |
| 18:38.08 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | rather ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 |
| 18:38.20 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | still on a black screen |
| 18:38.31 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | with only mouse pointer visible |
| 18:38.37 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | top shows that nothing is going on |
| 18:38.49 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | (though nepomuk was doing things for a while at first) |
| 18:38.49 | macrobat | there is the "kaboom" script that should help with kde3 --> kde4 transition |
| 18:38.51 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPGAMD64: maybe ask #debian-kde on oftc |
| 18:38.58 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | oh ok |
| 18:39.31 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | thanks |
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| 18:42.50 | Der_Trolly | ES GIBT NUR EINEN DEBIAN! |
| 18:42.56 | Der_Trolly | Hey fresh DEBIANS! |
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| 18:43.19 | azeem | Der_Trolly: please go to #debian.de |
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| 18:51.36 | PointMan | if I only want to update my lenny install for security updates this is the only entry in sources.list : deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free right? |
| 18:51.53 | PointMan | the only one I should have |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | PointMan: but you probably want the service releases also |
| 18:52.42 | PointMan | services releases? i was just looking at http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 18:52.46 | \amethyst | PointMan: no, that is *just* security |
| 18:52.58 | \amethyst | PointMan: you also need the normal lenny entry |
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| 18:53.15 | \amethyst | PointMan: so you can install packages that don't have security updates yet :) |
| 18:53.34 | PointMan | ah true |
| 18:53.56 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | well noone's answering in #debian-kde... I just accidentally overwrote .kde with .kde4 how bad is that? |
| 18:54.01 | PointMan | but what if I only want to update an installed package if its a security update? |
| 18:54.07 | linduxed | for samba, if i dont have a WINS server configured on the network (that i know of) and the DHCP hasn't got one configured, is there a point in setting up one? |
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| 18:55.05 | \amethyst | PointMan: that's a different matter... I believe aptitude can do that with a search string that says "all installed packages with versions in the 'security' archive |
| 18:55.18 | PointMan | ah cool thanks |
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| 19:01.22 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to force ntp to update the local clock at startup, say if you've got a dead MB battery so the time's always way off? |
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| 19:01.53 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: install ntpdate as well as ntp |
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| 19:03.20 | Out_Cold | so my local government will only let me access their site with Firefox 2.0.0.6.. is there a way to deal with that and not downgrade? |
| 19:03.40 | greycat | Out_Cold: various firefox extensions let you lie about the user-agent header |
| 19:04.01 | Out_Cold | lie to my government? :O |
| 19:04.06 | Out_Cold | okay |
| 19:04.48 | maligor | heh, I've started to use chromium instead |
| 19:05.05 | Out_Cold | i thought that was for winblows? |
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| 19:05.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Out_Cold: get the Addon - I use it to lie to my banks *and* cgovernment;) |
| 19:05.46 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: it's limited in linux |
| 19:05.51 | alexYya | hi people |
| 19:05.52 | honschu | Hiho, how would you send a encrypted file to a win32-friend who doesn't have gpg/pgp? |
| 19:06.01 | linduxed | Out_Cold: there is a linux version of chrome that's called chromium |
| 19:06.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - thought this was #d-ot |
| 19:06.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Out_Cold: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 19:06.25 | linduxed | Out_Cold: increasingly stable, but right now i find it kinda crashy |
| 19:06.29 | Titan8990 | linduxed, Out_Cold, google chrome beta is available in a .deb from the google site |
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| 19:06.47 | Titan8990 | it has not crashed on me once, been using for about 3 weeks |
| 19:06.49 | linduxed | Titan8990: well, it's not much more than a bet |
| 19:06.51 | dkr | honschu: I think using winzip it with a password would be your only option if they aren't willing to install anything |
| 19:07.09 | linduxed | Titan8990: but then again, according to Google, GMail is still in beta.... |
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| 19:07.27 | Titan8990 | linduxed, hehe was just about to say that... same with google docs last time i checked |
| 19:07.28 | rpgdude | i cannot get email to work with php |
| 19:07.55 | mee | linduxed: gmail is out of beta now |
| 19:07.58 | anoob | rpgdude, aptitude install sendmail |
| 19:08.02 | linduxed | mee: really? |
| 19:08.05 | mee | happened a few months ago, yeah |
| 19:08.08 | rpgdude | i have exim4 |
| 19:08.20 | anoob | i do it with sendmail... |
| 19:08.24 | linduxed | mee: they finally commited to the idea that it's worth "releasing"? |
| 19:08.26 | linduxed | :-P |
| 19:08.32 | mee | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/gmail-leaves-beta-launches-back-to-beta.html |
| 19:08.35 | rpgdude | i dont think thats the problem |
| 19:08.41 | anoob | me too |
| 19:08.43 | anoob | :D |
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| 19:10.05 | Titan8990 | netsplit ftw |
| 19:10.05 | macrobat | Titan8990: how do you manage to not crash chrome? i crash google-chrome-unstable often. it often doesnt load pages it has loaded before and forgets tabs from previous session |
| 19:10.05 | rpgdude | exim works fine, the problem is with php |
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| 19:10.23 | honschu | dkr: I think she just don't know how to install and protect her system... |
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| 19:11.03 | \amethyst | what 's' command? |
| 19:11.04 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 19:11.39 | Titan8990 | macrobat, i use it at work so i do not view any multimedia or anything like that |
| 19:11.57 | Titan8990 | the ONLY issue I have had with it is that it sometimes does not render slashdot.org correctly |
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| 19:13.50 | macrobat | ok |
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| 19:15.26 | cirwin | is there a way to reset any changes I made to my alsa configuration, or even better to see what I changed? |
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| 19:18.49 | flexy | I want to copy/install grub to a usb hdd. I'm going to copy my / to the usb hdd and get grub installed, so that I can replace my current / hdd with the new one. (which is currently in usb enclosure) |
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| 19:19.18 | flexy | how can I do that so that it will boot correctly after changing hdd's |
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| 19:19.39 | macrobat | where can i get libflashplayer 10 x86_64 release? http://www.adobe.com has hidden it well, i cant navigate that site |
| 19:19.40 | cirwin | you need to make a bootable USB, I did it once, can't remember where the instructions are though |
| 19:19.41 | wols | flexy: you don't. just use a debian cd |
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| 19:20.41 | wols | macrobat: http://www.google.com/search?q=flash+10+64bit+linux |
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| 19:21.04 | flexy | cirwin: I was thinking of using puppy linux to boot from usb-stick and to copy the / from old to new hdd... |
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| 19:21.25 | wols | flexy: debian is not windows. there are no locked files |
| 19:21.28 | flexy | wols: does debian cd has a rescue interface? |
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| 19:21.50 | flexy | wols: don't know about windows, haven't used it in 10 years |
| 19:21.53 | wols | flexy: in a way yes. but more importantly. it has a bootable kernel |
| 19:22.02 | greycat | It has a shell, yes, though it may not contain all the tools one would expect in a full-featured rescue disc. |
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| 19:22.32 | tosmo | what i'm doing wrong when i always have to manually ssh-add my key to ssh-agent? i remember some time ago (well some years/installations ago) ssh-agent has always taken care of my key. is there an option to automatically add all keys? or at least to permanently add them particularly? |
| 19:22.32 | macrobat | wols, that easy? :) i find a july 30 prerelease. i thought there was something even fresher |
| 19:22.33 | wols | one can boot the kernel and point root= to a disk which contains a full debian |
| 19:22.40 | wols | in the end, you have your normal debian |
| 19:22.57 | greycat | tosmo: you should have to add the key (typing your passphrase) every time you login. |
| 19:22.59 | flexy | wols: ok, that might work |
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| 19:23.13 | greycat | tosmo: otherwise, you might as well just NOT HAVE a passphrase at all. |
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| 19:24.19 | flexy | what would you suggest as / fs with SSD disk? |
| 19:24.46 | wols | !ext3 |
| 19:24.47 | dpkg | i heard ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <resize2fs>, <ext2fsd>, <ext2ifs>, <filesystems>. FAQ: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 19:24.50 | tosmo | greycat: no i don't mean ssh-agent to keep the key forever. usually i do ssh login once, and for following logins ssh-agent keeps the decrypted key. at the moment i have to explicitly do ssh-add, otherwise i always have to type my passphrase |
| 19:24.59 | Agent_bob | could one use a grub2 boot cd to install grub2 to an hdd ? there is no grub2/grub-pc package for etch ;/ |
| 19:25.00 | sphenxes | I would like to play mp3 on my homepage? i have found google player. i have uploaded my mp3 file to my server. now how can I link the mp3 to my google audio player? most home pages are speaking only about external http:// how can I link it internally |
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| 19:25.19 | dustybin | wols: your alive :D |
| 19:25.20 | wols | Agent_bob: what is a grub2 boot cd? |
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| 19:25.40 | wols | the undead are not alive, they just seem this way |
| 19:25.47 | greycat | tosmo: your previous installation had some sort of automatic wrapper-thing that invoked ssh-add for you when you did a regular ssh? or is that not what you meant? |
| 19:26.32 | flexy | right |
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| 19:26.42 | dustybin | misses wols knowledge |
| 19:26.52 | Agent_bob | wols a cd that has only grub2 like the old floppy boot disks |
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| 19:27.03 | tosmo | greycat: i don't know, but i assume so? i never knew how it worked technically, it was just that i did ssh once et voila ;) |
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| 19:27.16 | greycat | you must have had some strange wrapper then. |
| 19:27.23 | tosmo | just normal debian |
| 19:28.21 | tosmo | anyway, what would be the ssh-way to do it then? |
| 19:28.28 | tosmo | wrapper or config? |
| 19:28.45 | greycat | I don't know where you found such a wrapper, or what it would be called. Try google. |
| 19:29.03 | elli222 | Hi, can i pass ./configure options to apt-build? if so, how? |
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| 19:29.30 | greycat | sounds like you want to be running gentoo.... |
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| 19:30.02 | ranix | greycat: if you can't say something nice/helpful, don't say nothing at all |
| 19:30.19 | elli222 | lol greycat |
| 19:30.41 | beardy | Heh, did ranix of all people say that. |
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| 19:30.53 | ranix | beardy: up yours! |
| 19:31.09 | elli222 | i just want timidity with the libao and some extra interfaces :V |
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| 19:31.49 | beardy | !smite ranix |
| 19:31.49 | dpkg | smites ranix with a plague of RIAA Lawyers |
| 19:32.15 | greycat | elli222: oh, just a single package that you want to change, not "I want to build everything on my whole system with -O69"? Edit debian/rules (which is a Makefile) before you run the dpkg-buildpackage command or whatever |
| 19:32.24 | hark | don't say nothing. fail :) |
| 19:33.05 | Agent_bob | i want yakuake (to work) and grub2 on etch that's not asking too much is it ? |
| 19:33.21 | greycat | etch isn't even the most current release. |
| 19:33.30 | wols_ | Agent_bob: tried getting it from sid? grub2 that is |
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| 19:34.32 | ranix | Agent_bob: you should be using Lenny, it is too much to ask for on etch |
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| 19:34.50 | Agent_bob | wols scared too don't want to break etch |
| 19:34.51 | ranix | Agent_bob: yakuake *is* on etch, and there *is* an etch backport |
| 19:35.00 | wooby | hi, apt-get update is failing retrieving the lenny/main packages list w/ a 404 not found |
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| 19:35.11 | ranix | but I suggest using Lenny |
| 19:35.14 | greycat | if you're afraid of breaking etch, why are you installing a bleeding edge boot loader on it? |
| 19:35.16 | wols_ | Agent_bob: I said getting grub2. not getting anything else |
| 19:35.20 | Agent_bob | ranix yakuake installs but wont run |
| 19:35.22 | wooby | when i browse to the directory i see a Packages.gz... which i presume is what it's looking for |
| 19:35.25 | ranix | Agent_bob: use Lenny |
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| 19:35.41 | Agent_bob | ranix mail it to me |
| 19:35.44 | greycat | wooby: try a different mirror site, possibly. which one are you using now? |
| 19:36.06 | wooby | greycat: http.us.debian.org |
| 19:36.46 | ranix | Agent_bob: download it? |
| 19:36.51 | ranix | Agent_bob: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:36.52 | greycat | wooby: hmm, I've only ever used http://ftp.us.debian.org recently |
| 19:37.10 | wooby | greycat: i'll try that, thanks |
| 19:37.12 | Agent_bob | ranix on dialup i don't think so |
| 19:37.25 | greycat | but both ftp.us.d.o and http.us.d.o seem to map to the same set of IP addresses. *shrug* |
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| 19:37.35 | ranix | Agent_bob: back in the Stone Ages I used to get my Debian installs from a place called Discount Linux CDs |
| 19:38.04 | ranix | Agent_bob: www.debian.org can still get you some Lenny install disks from good-natured charity folks for only a nominal fee |
| 19:38.16 | ranix | i.e. I have purchased 6 CD sets for $2.50 US |
| 19:38.21 | wooby | greycat: is apt-get update working for you currently with that address? it seems like a Packages -> Packages.gz symlink is broken or something |
| 19:38.27 | wooby | greycat: but really i have no idea :\ |
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| 19:39.24 | ranix | Agent_bob: grub2 is going to be a PITA under etch, but you can get yakuake from backports.org |
| 19:39.25 | greycat | wooby: yes, just did it now. |
| 19:39.27 | ranix | !bpo |
| 19:39.27 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
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| 19:39.34 | ranix | judd: versions yakuake |
| 19:39.34 | judd | ranix: yakuake -- etch: 2.7.5-4 etch-backports: 2.8~beta1-1~bpo.1 lenny: 2.8.1-1 sid: 2.9.6-1 squeeze: 2.9.6-1 |
| 19:41.02 | wooby | this is what i'm getting: http://pastie.org/648795 thanks in advance for help |
| 19:41.12 | Agent_bob | ranix pita ? it's just a bootloader pfft |
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| 19:41.59 | Agent_bob | but i can just continue to use lilo it works |
| 19:42.32 | wooby | greycat: nevermind, i screwed myself with an iptables rule... thanks anyways |
| 19:43.27 | Agent_bob | i think i'll try installing grub2 from the grub2 boot cd and see what it breaks |
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| 19:43.43 | greycat | if you do replace lilo with grub, don't forget that you need to edit /etc/kernel-img.conf by hand :-/ |
| 19:44.00 | Agent_bob | i don't use it |
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| 19:50.25 | Louis_XVI | where can I find source code for standard unix filters like cat, tee, sort, etc? |
| 19:50.47 | AimHere | Look for the source for your binutils package in debian |
| 19:50.51 | AimHere | i.e. apt-get source binutils |
| 19:50.59 | AimHere | Errr, not binutils |
| 19:51.15 | AimHere | coreutils |
| 19:51.45 | greycat | and if you forgot that tee etc. are in coreutils, "tee --version" tells you |
| 19:51.47 | AimHere | You'll also find the bare (without any Debian changes) sources on the FSF website, probably under coreutils |
| 19:51.59 | doomster | dpkg -S /path/to/file to find the debian package more generally |
| 19:51.59 | dpkg | There is no record of a /path/to/file to find the debian package more generally package |
| 19:52.17 | doomster | shut up dpkg! |
| 19:52.44 | doomster | good doggie. |
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| 19:53.33 | AimHere | Louis_XVI, if you're doing this to learn about Unixish internals, then the Lions book + some ancient Unix sources might also be worth a look |
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| 19:55.21 | greycat | personally I find the openbsd source code way more readable than the GNU source code for most of these small programs |
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| 19:55.48 | AimHere | Heh, that's probably more readable than GNU hello world |
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| 19:57.19 | greycat | cyclops:~$ ls /usr/src/bin/rm/ |
| 19:57.19 | greycat | CVS/ Makefile obj@ rm.1 rm.c |
| 19:57.33 | greycat | one C file. that's all. |
| 19:58.07 | Agent_bob | howto check media in a dvd drive for 1. type (cd-?) (dvd-?) 2. size 3. whether or not it's blank. i want to do this testing within a script |
| 19:58.09 | rpgdude | anyone know how to get email working with php and exim |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | Agent_bob: cdrecord -atip |
| 19:58.18 | rpgdude | exim is already setup |
| 19:58.30 | Louis_XVI | AimHere, Lions book? Elaborate on this please!? |
| 19:58.33 | greycat | rpgdude: ##php |
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| 19:59.22 | AimHere | Lions book is a book by John Lions, which he used to teach a course on Unix internals. Essentially it's an annotation to the source code for some ancient version of Unix, which has now passed into the public domain. |
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| 20:00.14 | Simon___ | hi |
| 20:00.15 | AimHere | I don't know if it's what you want, but it should be findable on the net these days |
| 20:01.07 | Agent_bob | greycat ok. i can require cdrecord be installed, although i was hopping for something more standard |
| 20:01.22 | greycat | what's more standard than that? |
| 20:02.28 | Simon___ | i'm trying to get wireless internet working, i installed debian using the netinstall cd and wasted hours and got nowhere. if i use a different installation method would i have a better chance of getting it to work out of the box? i popped in a ubuntu live cd just for kicks and wifi works but i don't want to use ubuntu if i don't have to |
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| 20:02.38 | greycat | (there may be ways to probe the device/media using other CD/DVD burning software suites, but cdrecord is what I happen to use) |
| 20:02.40 | AimHere | On debian, surely wodim is more standard than cdrecord |
| 20:02.49 | Agent_bob | greycat cdrecord is not installed by default |
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| 20:03.14 | wols_ | Simon___: depends on the wlan chip I guess |
| 20:03.54 | greycat | no CD burning software is installed by default |
| 20:03.56 | Simon___ | wols_: i have a lenovo thinkpad G530 with a broadcom bcm4312 |
| 20:04.08 | wols_ | oh, shit wifi then |
| 20:04.15 | greycat | if you want to figure out the equivalent commands using wodim/dvd+rw-tools and include those in your script, go right ahead. |
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| 20:04.49 | wols_ | !tell Simon___ about b43 |
| 20:04.59 | AimHere | bcm4312 is supported in the kernel, using a reverse engineered driver |
| 20:05.21 | wols_ | AimHere: but the firmware you need isn't |
| 20:05.21 | AimHere | IIRC, some sort of firmware has to be supplied to make it go |
| 20:05.38 | AimHere | And it's an adventure finding packs of firmware files that work with it. |
| 20:06.01 | Simon___ | thanks i wish someone had pointed that out to me last night |
| 20:06.02 | AimHere | The firmware that gets extracted from the working windows driver for your card isn't guaranteed to work either! |
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| 20:06.39 | AimHere | The card ought to be moaning about lack of firmware if you type 'dmesg', Simon |
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| 20:07.50 | Simon___ | hold on.. let me boot into debian quickly |
| 20:08.00 | greycat | The entire channel pauses. |
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| 20:09.17 | Simon____ | ok back |
| 20:09.30 | AimHere | the entire channel exhales |
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| 20:10.38 | Agent_bob | what's that command to use a source dir/package with the package manager, again ? |
| 20:10.48 | AimHere | dpkg? |
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| 20:11.00 | greycat | Agent_bob: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:11.22 | AimHere | Oops, source package |
| 20:11.22 | Agent_bob | build the source into a .deb and install it |
| 20:11.37 | doomster | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:11.38 | greycat | !tell Agent_bob about source |
| 20:11.42 | Agent_bob | that's it |
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| 20:12.31 | AimHere | I was about to say 'fakeroot debian/rules binary'. I must be getting old, even Debian is moving too fast for me. |
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| 20:13.23 | jpinx-eeepc | s/by/for |
| 20:13.47 | greycat | AimHere: done that.... |
| 20:13.53 | Agent_bob | Aminzai here here for me too |
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| 20:14.11 | greycat | every year or so, they change the command you're "supposed" to use, and the new one is always longer or more obscure |
| 20:14.26 | greycat | last time I looked I think it was "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot" |
| 20:14.43 | Agent_bob | s/aminzai/AimHere/ |
| 20:15.03 | AimHere | I'm not convinced that Linux isn't just a conspiracy of GUI engineers and man-page writers keeping themselves occupied. |
| 20:15.18 | greycat | Definitely NOT a conspiracy of man page writers. |
| 20:15.19 | AimHere | Windows too, come to think of it. |
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| 20:15.42 | greycat | Same for Microsoft... no sign of a ravenous horde of document writers there. |
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| 20:16.38 | AimHere | Well I often find myself having to refer to the docs for the latest version of some app I've used for years. |
| 20:16.50 | AimHere | No matter how badly written and/or useless |
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| 20:18.52 | jelly | now IBM... they definitely have a horde of manual writers somewhere |
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| 20:19.34 | AimHere | Including the genius who first claimed that 'This page intentionally left blank' |
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| 20:20.13 | greycat | 'This page dedicated to my dear friends at the paper company. Hi, John!' |
| 20:20.36 | jelly | ... there are some even in the pdfs! |
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| 20:20.45 | jelly | friends at Adobe? |
| 20:21.53 | greycat | because clearly you were going to print the PDF onto paper |
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| 20:23.22 | Louis_XVI | AimHere: Did you mean John "Lions' Commentary on UNIX, with Source Code"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions'_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Edition,_with_Source_Code) |
| 20:23.34 | AimHere | That sounds like it |
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| 20:26.41 | Simon____ | Ok, so if I'm going to start from scratch to try and get my wifi working, what be the best method of installation? I have a netinstall lenny disc here |
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| 20:31.15 | rpgdude | what wifi chip do you have? |
| 20:31.26 | Simon____ | bcm4312 |
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| 20:32.59 | Simon____ | i tried for hours last night and got next to nowhere |
| 20:33.15 | rpgdude | you need the b43-fwcutter package |
| 20:34.09 | rpgdude | the chip will not work without firmware |
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| 20:34.22 | Simon____ | gotcha |
| 20:35.03 | Simon____ | so i install b43-fwcutter, then modprobe b43 ? |
| 20:35.03 | rpgdude | that should work for you |
| 20:35.15 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 20:35.30 | rpgdude | you use b43-fwcutter to get the firmware for the b43 module |
| 20:35.30 | Simon____ | thanks, i'll try that out |
| 20:35.39 | AimHere | That's one way. Might not work, in which case download some bcm43 firmwares from the greater internet |
| 20:35.41 | Simon____ | right |
| 20:35.58 | LtL | Simon____: no modprobe is neccessary iirc |
| 20:36.08 | rpgdude | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmware_installation |
| 20:36.50 | LtL | necessary? either, just grab the firmware |
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| 20:37.29 | arcsky | doesnt links2 supports ssl? |
| 20:37.40 | Simon____ | you're saying that after i install b43-fwcutter wifi should be good to go without modprobe? |
| 20:38.24 | rpgdude | not sure, just modprobe it anyway just to be sure |
| 20:38.26 | LtL | Simon____: that worked for me, correct. i dont recall running modprobe at all. |
| 20:38.32 | Simon____ | ok |
| 20:38.37 | Simon____ | well i'll try it out |
| 20:38.52 | Simon____ | i'm still installing debian |
| 20:39.24 | rpgdude | BroadCom is evil haha |
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| 20:39.46 | rpgdude | they should DFSG their firmware |
| 20:39.46 | Simon____ | so i've gathered.. |
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| 20:40.11 | rpgdude | but dont hold your breath.. |
| 20:40.58 | LtL | Simon____: after b43-fwcutter installs it will prompt you to download the firmware, i used apt-get in a terminal. then use nm-applet to configure wifi |
| 20:41.06 | karsten | tries to remember if it was Broadcom or NVidia's CEO who was smoking so much pot on the corpjet that the pilot was getting a contact buzz. |
| 20:41.37 | karsten | Lesson remains: don't support company's drug habits. |
| 20:41.48 | karsten | s/ny's/nies'/ |
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| 20:43.08 | Simon____ | well i won't have a gui for a while |
| 20:44.00 | LtL | Simon____: ifconfig should work |
| 20:44.21 | Simon____ | ok |
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| 20:56.16 | ewet | hi, where are the 32bit compatibility libraries for nvidia-glx in the amd64 distro? without them wine directx will not work... I cannot find them ;/ |
| 20:56.44 | alkisg | catsup: remember the problem with clients A and B that are behind NAT, and server S trying to help them connect to each other? (e.g. B trying to ssh into A?) I got an easy solution for this with nc |
| 20:58.06 | alkisg | Server S does: nc -l -p 1234 -c 'nc -l -p 4321' |
| 20:58.06 | alkisg | Client A does: nc server 1234 -c 'nc localhost 5900' |
| 20:58.06 | alkisg | Client B then connects to the server port 4321, and sees the vnc that A offers :) |
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| 20:59.19 | LtL | ewet: you want the 'getlibs' scrpit. worked for me. |
| 20:59.40 | LtL | ewet: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
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| 21:00.11 | LtL | ewet: er, that'd be script. |
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| 21:05.56 | LtL | ewet: this is a quicker route to find getlibs, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=87916#87916 |
| 21:06.46 | LtL | I don't even recall where or how I got it, but it works wonders. |
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| 21:08.48 | LtL | I could pastebin the script to get 'getlibs' and flash 10 if anybody wants it. |
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| 21:19.20 | ewet | LtL, unlikely... I found it anyway it's nvidia-glx-ia32 -- getlibs is a very bad hack and if I'm right it even uses the ubuntu repos... |
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| 21:21.23 | LtL | ewet: it has nothing to do with ubuntu as far as I know, and I can play any video in iceweasel since i ran it. |
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| 21:23.21 | LtL | ewet: but you could be right, the script looks clean to me, getlibs itself has good reviews for what it's worth, but i don't think you actually need it :) |
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| 21:34.36 | vlt | Hello. `modinfo aes-x86_64` shows a line "alias: aes". `lsmod` lists "aes" but there's an aes.ko file in /lib/modules too. What version of aes is loaded? (Debian lenny on AMD64) |
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| 21:37.47 | vlt | Asked the other way round: Do I have to load aes-x86_64 explicitely and manually or is the listed aes module already optimized for x64? |
| 21:38.24 | dutchfish | vlt, that depends on kernel and aesni-intel is needed |
| 21:38.32 | dutchfish | if |
| 21:40.01 | vlt | dutchfish: The kernel is a self compiled 2.6.18. The cpu is Intel Xeon E5520. |
| 21:40.07 | dutchfish | in latest kernels aes-x86_64 is generic |
| 21:40.27 | konr | How many inodes can I have in my filesystem? Millions, Billions? Mols? |
| 21:41.07 | dutchfish | vlt, i am unsure about 2.6.18 |
| 21:42.10 | jelly-home | konr: df -i |
| 21:42.40 | vlt | How to tell initrd to load aes-x86_64? Does mkinitramfs care about /etc/modules? What is the recommended way? |
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| 21:43.43 | konr | jelly-home: Is there a way to raise this number? I want to represent a tree with 9 million nodes using the FS |
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| 21:44.33 | jelly-home | konr: if using ext3, no. mkfs time only |
| 21:44.49 | dutchfish | vlt, th eonly thing i rem from back then that i made sure to put aes_i586 into /etc/modules and before dm-crypt |
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| 21:45.27 | dutchfish | vlt, Normalle only "aes" is loaded which is an unoptimized version of the same thing. You can check /proc/crypto for the available modules and their usage priority. |
| 21:45.43 | Simon____ | ok, so i installed b43-fwcutter and wireless-tools, b43-fwcutter asked me if i wanted to download the firmware, i hit yes, everything installed without errors i run iwconfig and nothing new is listed |
| 21:45.56 | konr | jelly-home: hmmm, can I create a small file system (like 200mb) from a ramdisk and insist on a large number (like 20M) of inodes? |
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| 21:46.14 | Dryanta | konr: inodes are tied to the filesystem size i think |
| 21:47.23 | jelly-home | konr: each inode or equivalent takes some actual space for that metadata. If your filesystem uses less than 10 bytes for each inode, then yes you might. |
| 21:47.26 | vlt | dutchfish: Yes. I need dm-crypt already in initrd because root fs is on an encrypted volume. In initrd there's no /etc/modules but an /etc/modprobe.d |
| 21:47.54 | vlt | What files are parsed when loading modules in initrd? |
| 21:48.14 | Simon____ | Ltl: no luck with the wifi |
| 21:49.11 | dutchfish | vlt, i dont understand what you meant? |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-home | konr: on other words, you'll need to spend a bit more space. Like 5-20 GiB for an ext3 with 20M worth of 128byte inodes. |
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| 21:50.07 | jelly-home | konr: read mke2fs(8) |
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| 21:50.34 | konr | jelly-home: I'll take a read. Thanks! |
| 21:50.45 | LtL | Simon____: try rebooting or reload netmanager |
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| 21:50.55 | yolkaplexus | hi there |
| 21:51.14 | LtL | Simon____: networkmanger that is, i'd reboot it. |
| 21:51.15 | vlt | dutchfish: I don't want to mess up my initrd. So what is the recommended standard way to load a certain module in initrd (long before /etc/modules on root fs is read)? |
| 21:51.30 | Simon____ | ok, thanks |
| 21:51.33 | dutchfish | vlt, you ccan create a new one like this http://blog.edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
| 21:51.48 | yolkaplexus | anyone tried the new xorg? |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 21:52.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:52.29 | yolkaplexus | seems it does not work so well with java |
| 21:52.38 | dutchfish | vlt, /etc/mkinitrd/modules does you rmagic |
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| 21:52.58 | vlt | dutchfish: Aaah, yes ... thank you. |
| 21:53.05 | dutchfish | vlt, yw |
| 21:53.48 | jelly-home | yolkaplexus: more concrete data would be nice if you expect something like an educated guess (or a real answer) |
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| 21:53.57 | jelly-home | !+tell yolkaplexus -about ask |
| 21:53.57 | dpkg | told yolkaplexus about ask. |
| 21:54.19 | vlt | dutchfish: hmm, it's called "/etc/initramfs-tools/modules" here in my version of Debian lenny. Is this the same? |
| 21:54.37 | dutchfish | vlt, install an extra kernel line in grub ie you can have more intrd files then 1 ;) |
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| 21:55.12 | dutchfish | vlt, i am not sure, 2.6.18 is along time ago for me |
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| 21:55.26 | dutchfish | vlt, maybe someone else does now for sure |
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| 21:55.38 | Simon____ | Ltl: after i rebooted, iwconfig still has no listing of a wifi device, just eht0 and lo |
| 21:55.49 | dutchfish | s/now/know |
| 21:56.12 | kanzure | does anyone know of a diagram that- without words- can be used in a slideshow to explain package managers? |
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| 21:56.25 | vlt | dutchfish: I don't fear touching the current initrd, I just want to do it right ;-) |
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| 21:56.51 | dutchfish | vlt, well extract a prestine one and look, i gues |
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| 21:56.57 | Simon____ | should i try a modprobe b43? |
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| 21:58.06 | dutchfish | vlt, http://lifewithdebian.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-to-extract-initrd-image.html |
| 21:58.36 | yolkaplexus | i dont have issue with xorg because i downgraded to the stable version however i am wondering how come xorg6.3is in the testing release for a while with that bug with java |
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| 22:01.14 | LtL | Simon____: try lsmod |grep b43 .. I'm not on my wireless box, and I used the GUI to configure it. maybe /dev will repopulate on reboot. |
| 22:02.17 | Simon____ | that turns up with nothing |
| 22:02.42 | LtL | Simon____: hrm. modprobe |
| 22:03.05 | Simon____ | ok, after a modprobe, now it lists a bunch of things |
| 22:03.14 | Simon____ | but iwconfig still has nothing |
| 22:03.45 | LtL | Simon____: does ifconfig show anything new? i'm no expert, any help is appreciated. |
| 22:04.06 | Simon____ | nothing new there either |
| 22:04.12 | Simon____ | just lo and eth0 |
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| 22:04.50 | vlt | I added "aes-x86_64" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (there's a line "# List of modules that you want to include in your initramfs") and ran `mkinitramfs`. But the string "aes" doesn't occur in the new (unpacked) initrd image. What am i doing wrong? |
| 22:05.18 | Simon____ | dmesg | grep 43 --> Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [Features PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] |
| 22:05.19 | iceroot | is there a debian-dev channel around here? |
| 22:05.21 | Simon____ | if that helps |
| 22:05.31 | iceroot | or better a maintainer-channel |
| 22:05.37 | dutchfish | vlt, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Encrypting_an_existing_Debian_lenny_installation |
| 22:05.50 | vlt | reads |
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| 22:07.30 | dutchfish | vlt, reaf carefully becaus emost of it should already be in place |
| 22:07.36 | dutchfish | s/reaf/read |
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| 22:08.10 | LtL | Simon____: /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 22:11.04 | Simon____ | i don't seem to be getting a response from the bot |
| 22:11.36 | dutchfish | vlt, just for the !ping |
| 22:11.47 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 22:11.47 | dpkg | Yes, dutchfish, you are online. |
| 22:11.52 | LtL | Simon____: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 22:12.16 | lumpi144 | !lumpi144 |
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| 22:12.40 | Simon____ | thanks |
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| 22:13.02 | LtL | Simon____: wish i could be of more help. best of luck |
| 22:13.11 | Simon____ | thanks a lot |
| 22:13.27 | Simon____ | why would lspci not be found? |
| 22:14.01 | LtL | Simon____: hrm /usr/bin/lspci |
| 22:14.20 | Simon____ | nope.. |
| 22:14.21 | adb | install it |
| 22:14.25 | dutchfish | pciutils: /usr/bin/lspci |
| 22:14.29 | Simon____ | lsusb is there |
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| 22:15.25 | Simon____ | thanks |
| 22:15.33 | Simon____ | i don't remember having to install that |
| 22:15.55 | adb | pciutils.exe |
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| 22:19.00 | vlt | dutchfish: The only interesting part of the "crypt your root" howto was the "echo aes-i586 >>/etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 22:19.00 | vlt | " line |
| 22:19.33 | vlt | I actually did this (with x64) but "aes" isn't mentioned in initrd at all |
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| 22:25.53 | dutchfish | vlt, can you pastebin the output of ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/x86/crypto/ ? |
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| 22:27.05 | txxt | hello. can you please tell me how can i list all the current services running on my debian ? also is there any console application like gambas (x11 control panel for services). thanks in advance |
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| 22:29.46 | dutchfish | txxt, you mean ps auxww ? |
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| 22:30.00 | LtL | txxt: rcconf |
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| 22:30.05 | txxt | hmmm maybe :P haven't heard of it. but i'll check now |
| 22:30.13 | txxt | thanks dutchfish LtL |
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| 22:32.28 | Simon____ | Ltl: looks like my chip is still being worked on.. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_in_wireless-testing.2BAC8-compat-wireless-2.6 |
| 22:32.41 | txxt | also, is there any only site to seach debian packages ? where i can read it details and description ? |
| 22:32.46 | txxt | thanks once more |
| 22:33.31 | txxt | sorry just found it out |
| 22:33.31 | txxt | http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 22:33.35 | txxt | thanks anyway |
| 22:33.46 | \amethyst | txxt: or from the command line: apt-cache search regex apt-cache show packagename |
| 22:33.56 | LtL | Simon____: I suspected that, I got lucky with mine. |
| 22:33.57 | vlt | dutchfish: s/x86/x86_64/ and there's "aes-x86_64.ko". But there's a /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-xen/kernel/crypto/aes.ko too. |
| 22:34.16 | txxt | hmm apt-cache ? didn t know that one |
| 22:34.29 | dutchfish | vlt, is this a xen kernel? |
| 22:34.36 | Simon____ | Do you think i should try ndiswrapper ? |
| 22:34.37 | vlt | dutchfish: Yes. |
| 22:34.45 | dutchfish | vlt, a sec i check |
| 22:34.57 | vlt | dutchfish: That's why I have to use 2.6.18 on this machine :/ |
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| 22:36.18 | LtL | Simon____: that's an option, proceed at your own peril though! |
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| 22:36.40 | Simon____ | its that or i use Ubuntu until the chip is supported |
| 22:36.42 | dutchfish | vlt, oh bugger i am afraid you have to compile it in the kernel if you want it at boot time |
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| 22:37.43 | txxt | one more thing.. i have done apt-get install apache2 and my server is running well. but my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty? thank you |
| 22:37.48 | vlt | dutchfish: Sure? The x64 .ko-file already exists in initrd. I just don't know how to load it properly. |
| 22:38.20 | LtL | Simon____: if I were you, I would buy a new card.. but thats me |
| 22:38.23 | dutchfish | vlt, i am not mistaken, yes |
| 22:38.28 | vlt | dutchfish: I could use a dirty script in /scripts/local-top for example. But I'm stll looking for the clean solution ;-) |
| 22:38.39 | dutchfish | vlt, yes sure |
| 22:39.39 | Simon____ | Ltl: its built into my laptop |
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| 22:39.49 | Simon____ | though i could buy another one and use the slot |
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| 22:40.23 | vlt | dutchfish: I think I'll reboot the machine (have to do it anyway because that kernel didn't recognize the new SATA drive I just plugged into the AHCI controller) and try to load it from the dropbear (unlock) shell in initrd ... |
| 22:40.47 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 22:42.10 | marcty_ | can someone help me troubleshoot nfs? everything was working fine, dont know what changed, but I cant mount my nfs share. host/client can both communicate, but the mount request just hangs forever.. i see this on the client after a long while: nfs: server filer-1 not responding, timed out |
| 22:42.18 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 22:42.31 | romano2k | i'd like to install a simple postfix email server on my debian |
| 22:43.01 | romano2k | can anyone suggest me a good howto? |
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| 22:43.01 | dutchfish | vlt, i think i have found it you need a pre-init script also |
| 22:43.32 | dutchfish | vlt, /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount |
| 22:43.44 | LtL | Simon____: if ubuntu works, i's use it. |
| 22:43.51 | dutchfish | vlt, that will also picked up when initrd is updated |
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| 22:44.24 | dutchfish | vlt, because it needs to be doen BEFORE the actual mounting of course |
| 22:45.07 | LtL | Simon____: give ndiswrapper a shot, nothing to lose |
| 22:45.12 | marcty_ | So? |
| 22:45.22 | Simon____ | ya i'm trying that no |
| 22:45.29 | Simon____ | thanks a lot for your time and help |
| 22:46.06 | LtL | Simon____: no problem, i didn't help much |
| 22:46.27 | vlt | dutchfish: I rebooted and am in initrd dropbear shell now. There's no `lsmod`. Any other way to list the modules? |
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| 22:47.39 | vlt | cat /proc/modules: aes-x86_64. It (whatever) worked ;-) |
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| 22:48.35 | dutchfish | vlt, what you did? |
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| 22:49.36 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 22:50.06 | dutchfish | vlt, then forget my premount comments |
| 22:50.08 | vlt | dutchfish: I just added it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuilt initrd. Hmmm, strange. I wonder what exactly tells the kernel now to load the x64 version. I can't find it mentioned anywhere in initrd. |
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| 22:50.22 | txxt | one more thing.. i have done apt-get install apache2 and my server is running well. but my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty? thank you |
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| 22:50.34 | txxt | sorry for asking twice |
| 22:50.38 | txxt | can't understand it |
| 22:50.43 | dutchfish | vlt, modules file |
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| 22:51.33 | dutchfish | vlt, loop-aes in place? |
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| 22:54.09 | dutchfish | vlt, or do you mean the aes wich in turns load the X86_64 version when its avaiable and you have the right proc |
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| 22:54.54 | vlt | dutchfish: No. Now I unlocked the crypt devices and continued booting. `lsmod` now lists aes-x86_64 as the last line, so it seems to be loaded in a very early state ... |
| 22:55.06 | pasteeater | I had a PCI Compliance scan run on my server. Most issues were resolved except: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2008-5625 |
| 22:55.06 | vlt | dutchfish: I think it works fine now. |
| 22:55.08 | dutchfish | vlt, right |
| 22:55.15 | dutchfish | vlt, great to hear |
| 22:55.28 | pasteeater | why is the urgency shown as "unimportant" on the link I just posted? |
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| 22:56.35 | xuser | is there some dpkg-reconfigure to configure keyboard keymaps? |
| 22:56.36 | pasteeater | and why does it say "Debian/stablenot known to be vulnerable" and then "lenny, lenny (security) 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 vulnerable"? |
| 22:57.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.29 | dutchfish | pasteeater, http://wiki.debian.org/bugs.debian.org/usertags |
| 22:57.44 | xuser | adb: will that chage the keymaps for X to? |
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| 22:58.21 | adb | yes |
| 22:58.36 | adb | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:58.49 | dutchfish | pasteeater, sorry wrong link: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags |
| 22:58.59 | pasteeater | heh, you confused me |
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| 22:59.04 | dutchfish | pasteeater, sorry |
| 22:59.17 | pasteeater | dutchfish: thanks for the link |
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| 23:00.02 | KTL | hi, i run debian sid and i try to get a framebuffer device. (i think that is the first step in getting better looking fonts in the consoles/ttys) but i am getting nowhere, where should i start to begin with? |
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| 23:00.19 | KTL | (the video kernel parameter did not help yet, modprobing intelfb or uvesafb idem, ...) |
| 23:00.23 | xuser | adb: ok |
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| 23:02.43 | pasteeater | dutchfish: that link makes no mention of "unimportant" or "unfixed" |
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| 23:03.01 | dutchfish | pasteeater, yep, saw that too |
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| 23:03.34 | DeathWolf | does anyone know if it's possible to install back oss drivers, vs using alsa? |
| 23:03.37 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: presumably because of what the security issue actually is; it enables you to subvert safe_mode in php, which isn't particularly robust anyway |
| 23:03.56 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:03.57 | DeathWolf | (with 2.6.30 kernel) |
| 23:04.12 | DeathWolf | my sound card's completly broken since it went alsa(known bug), and there's no fix |
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| 23:04.51 | x_link | Hi |
| 23:04.53 | dutchfish | pasteeater, what the prolly meant is, that in the context of security they think its unimportant |
| 23:04.56 | x_link | Need some help. |
| 23:05.15 | pasteeater | especially since safe_mode is off by default, right? |
| 23:05.31 | dutchfish | pasteeater, i gues so, yes |
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| 23:05.37 | x_link | Firefox just frooze, and now I'm trying to start it again but it says that I'm already running Firefox. That I should close that window or restart. |
| 23:05.39 | dustybin | if i turn on my external hard drive, is there a way to make it mount to the same device? |
| 23:05.46 | x_link | I tried "killall firefox-bin" but it doesn't work. |
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| 23:06.19 | catsup | x_link: killall -9 firefox-bin |
| 23:06.31 | x_link | I will try that |
| 23:06.32 | catsup | or if u like ultraviolence killall -KILL |
| 23:06.53 | x_link | catsup: What does that do? |
| 23:07.05 | catsup | the exact same thing |
| 23:07.11 | dutchfish | pasteeater, dont forget that this is unstable, and it has not (yet) scrutinized by the security team |
| 23:07.14 | catsup | SIGKILL = 9 |
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| 23:08.09 | dutchfish | pasteeater, unless its critical or graving for the security they wont fix it there |
| 23:08.19 | pasteeater | dutchfish: what is unstable? i feel dumb asking that, but uhhh... |
| 23:08.19 | x_link | catsup: Ahha okey...well the first command worked |
| 23:08.19 | x_link | catsup: Thanks alot! |
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| 23:08.19 | dustybin | is it a good idea to put exernal hard drives in ones fstab, so when i turn on my external drive, i just hit: mount -a ? |
| 23:08.21 | catsup | np |
| 23:08.37 | dutchfish | !tell pasteeater about SID |
| 23:08.50 | catsup | dustybin: yes, if you want to manually mount them; but mark them noauto |
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| 23:09.00 | catsup | dustybin: [and then type mount mountpoint] |
| 23:09.06 | pasteeater | dutchfish: i'm running lenny |
| 23:09.08 | mfrisch | dustybin can put easily most de will auto mount when pluged in |
| 23:09.28 | catsup | otherwise, you create errors when mount -a runs at boot |
| 23:09.33 | mfrisch | dustybin just put as an option user |
| 23:09.37 | catsup | although i guess they are harmless errors |
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| 23:10.32 | dustybin | catsup: i have 2x external drives what are identical, is there a way debian differentiate them? |
| 23:10.57 | jelly-home | dustybin: "identical"? |
| 23:11.04 | dutchfish | pasteeater, no i am wrong, it affects all, but it is not important security wise, and it wont be fixed in SID either |
| 23:11.10 | dustybin | jelly-home: yep, i have 2x 500GB externals, both esata |
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| 23:11.22 | jelly-home | dustybin: are they formatted the same way? |
| 23:11.27 | dustybin | jelly-home: yes, ext3 |
| 23:11.38 | jelly-home | dustybin: label the partitions. |
| 23:11.47 | dustybin | jelly-home: i would like them to use the same devices |
| 23:11.51 | dustybin | everytime i turn them on |
| 23:12.00 | pasteeater | dutchfish: ok. i'll just BS my way through that one since I can apply for a "ignore this big". |
| 23:12.13 | jelly-home | dustybin: can't happen. Don't use devices, use labels or uuids. |
| 23:12.21 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 23:12.27 | dutchfish | pasteeater, mostly those things get smoothed out when other fixes roll in |
| 23:12.41 | jelly-home | (I'm lying, actually, but using labels is simpler than rolling own udev rules) |
| 23:12.47 | dustybin | jelly-home: is it possible to automount using uuid ? |
| 23:13.01 | dustybin | ok labels |
| 23:13.03 | jelly-home | dustybin: probably |
| 23:13.14 | dustybin | wow ace |
| 23:13.14 | mfrisch | dustybin uhm it usually will use sdX with a partition if they have one so if two are in say sda sdb |
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| 23:13.58 | pasteeater | dutchfish: i see. i'm not particularly concerned, and these PCI companies are a bunch of kuts anyway. |
| 23:14.11 | dutchfish | pasteeater, or fix it yourself and send it in if you find a neat solution ;) |
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| 23:16.26 | cuco | hi all, i am trying to setup a boot usb disk, with minor quircks patition 1 is vfat, and partition 2 should be ext3, for a real install |
| 23:16.58 | cuco | i am trying to use qemu -hda /dev/mmcblk0 for tests, does anyone know if this will even work? |
| 23:17.16 | dustybin | i UUID is special to each external drive, however, a LABEL is just a made up name, how does that work? |
| 23:17.19 | dustybin | *a |
| 23:17.33 | cuco | currently i am not sure if syslinux is been called, or not. qemu just gets "stucked" |
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| 23:17.52 | dutchfish | udev |
| 23:17.55 | jelly-home | dustybin: UUID is unique per filesystem, not device |
| 23:17.59 | dutchfish | !udev |
| 23:17.59 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <z25>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 23:18.01 | dustybin | oh |
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| 23:18.20 | Sergio` | Can my pcspkr play songs like old Sinclair Spectrum? What could I do/use for that? |
| 23:18.25 | vex | hai.so with no vmx or svm support in my CPU |
| 23:18.28 | vex | what are my options for virtualisation in squeeze? |
| 23:18.40 | dustybin | jelly-home: so i would need to set a label on each drive, then get fstab to mount the label to the mount point |
| 23:18.42 | cuco | Sergio`: there was once a kernelmode that did that |
| 23:18.49 | jelly-home | dustybin: labels are very similar, but you can set your own and they can be shorter than uuids. |
| 23:18.54 | cuco | Sergio`: not used anymore, so "no, not possible" |
| 23:18.59 | dutchfish | vex, xen, qemu |
| 23:19.03 | Sergio` | All right. |
| 23:19.06 | dutchfish | vex, as an example |
| 23:19.21 | jelly-home | dutchfish: if you wanted them mounted always in the same place, yes. |
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| 23:19.34 | cuco | Sergio`: but then again, a million monkey on the internet could not write an operating system, and yet #debian exists |
| 23:19.42 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes |
| 23:19.45 | vex | hmkay |
| 23:19.45 | jelly-home | dutchfish: just use LABEL=foo in place if the device in fstab |
| 23:19.49 | dustybin | jelly-home: would one use fdisk to create LABELS ? |
| 23:19.53 | cuco | Sergio`: you just need someone stupid enought to write such code :) |
| 23:20.04 | vex | thanks, dutchfish :) |
| 23:20.05 | jelly-home | dustybin: e2label on a partition (can be done online) |
| 23:20.11 | dustybin | wow :D |
| 23:20.13 | dustybin | ACE |
| 23:20.18 | dustybin | feels excited |
| 23:20.21 | jelly-home | well, on an ext[234]fs |
| 23:20.47 | Sergio` | cuco: I don't code otherwise I would do it myself. And it's not stupid, it's useful to get specific alarms in ssh for example. |
| 23:20.48 | dustybin | e2label is _essential_ for external drives, surely? |
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| 23:21.14 | dutchfish | jelly-home, this might catch you when using portmapper for lvm in xen |
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| 23:21.25 | jelly-home | only for some weird values of "essential" |
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| 23:21.47 | dustybin | i am going to also put some real sticker labels on my disks :D |
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| 23:22.02 | cuco | Sergio`: the application is not useless. the code will be one of those codes which you say "wtf!??!?" and then think it's the best thing ever (like the dud that played the starwars theme on a floppy disk...) |
| 23:22.04 | dutchfish | jelly-home, at least in lenny |
| 23:22.06 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I'm not touching xen with a 10 foot pole |
| 23:22.24 | Sergio` | hehe |
| 23:22.54 | dutchfish | jelly-home, the same holds true for kvm ;) |
| 23:23.02 | pasteeater | if a low urgency bug is fixed in unstable, what is the chance that it will be applied to stable? |
| 23:23.24 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: if it's not a security bug, it'll be fixed in the next release |
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| 23:23.31 | hd|laptop | hi all |
| 23:23.40 | dutchfish | jelly-home, nut for non-virtualized systems its neat, thanks ! |
| 23:23.40 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: for security bugs, if someone produces a patch, and tests it, it'll probably be rolled into the next security update |
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| 23:23.55 | hd|laptop | anyone know how to set up cyrus pop3 daemon w/ PAM auth and mbox mail storage format? |
| 23:24.20 | dondelelcaro | hd|laptop: honestly, I'd suggest using dovecot instead |
| 23:24.20 | pasteeater | dondelelcaro: thanks. it is a bug with a CVE number. |
| 23:24.25 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: which bug? |
| 23:24.28 | mfrisch | jelly-home what's wrong with xen |
| 23:24.30 | hd|laptop | dondelelcaro: kk |
| 23:24.40 | pasteeater | dondelelcaro: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2009-2687 |
| 23:25.06 | jelly-home | mfrisch: don't ask me, I'm not coming near it. |
| 23:26.22 | mfrisch | jelly-home ok had have some good results with it thats all ;-) |
| 23:26.30 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: that's the CVE, not the bug |
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| 23:26.51 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: a bug will be something at bugs.debian.org, and I didn't see one for that CVE when I glanced at it |
| 23:26.58 | pasteeater | dondelelcaro: oops. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535897 |
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| 23:28.32 | dondelelcaro | pasteeater: yeah, so as soon as someone makes a patch for that DoS, it'll probably result in a security update. |
| 23:29.00 | pasteeater | dondelelcaro: i see. thanks for the help. |
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| 23:30.58 | dondelelcaro | (but someone at least needs to dig up the patch; I'm not sure if anyone thinks its high enough priority to make the backported patch) |
| 23:31.07 | dondelelcaro | if it's something that concerns you, make the patch |
| 23:31.43 | dustybin | i created the label, now im going to stick this in fstab: LABEL=esata1 /mnt/esata1 ext3 auto |
| 23:31.54 | xuser | where can I find a list of arguments that can be passed to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:32.03 | dondelelcaro | xuser: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:32.09 | dustybin | would i first need to hit: mount -a so it registers ? |
| 23:32.42 | Sergio` | cuco: http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html it's included in 2.6.26, cool! :) |
| 23:33.14 | pasteeater | dondelelcaro: ok. i'll look into it if the PCI scan complains. |
| 23:33.41 | cuco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.47 | cuco | Sergio`: that's sick |
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| 23:34.08 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, pasteeater this is already fixed in CVS http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/NEWS?revision=1.2027.2.547.2.1315&view=markup |
| 23:34.34 | cuco | Sergio`: please tell me if it works, i have 2 laptops here... no pcspeaker :) |
| 23:35.35 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: yes, so you can make up the patch pretty easily... |
| 23:35.44 | Sergio` | Sure but I have to figure out if it's active for the kernel I'm using or if I have to recompile, and how to use it. |
| 23:36.00 | hd|laptop | dondelelcaro: works nice :) |
| 23:36.16 | rgr | debian recently upgraded virtualbox and now the network connceon does not work in my windows client. What are the "usual" networking setting in virtualbox under debian lenny when booting a virtual vista/xp? |
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| 23:36.35 | hd|laptop | dondelelcaro: do you also know how to make mboxes for not-existing accounts? i dont want to create unix accounts for everyone who wants mail on $server |
| 23:36.45 | hd|laptop | i use exim4 as MTA |
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| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | hd|laptop: use ldap or postgresql or similar as the account storage; dovecot supports them both |
| 23:37.18 | hd|laptop | kk |
| 23:37.22 | dustybin | wow LABEL works perfectly, thanks :D |
| 23:37.31 | hd|laptop | dondelelcaro: what about mbox storage and exim? |
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| 23:38.38 | pasteeater | dutchfish: i see no reference to #48378 in that link. |
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| 23:39.00 | dondelelcaro | hd|laptop: likewise |
| 23:39.06 | pasteeater | dutchfish: unless 44388 is close enough |
| 23:39.12 | dondelelcaro | hd|laptop: honestly, I'd suggest using maildir instead of mbox, but whatever works |
| 23:39.15 | hd|laptop | kk |
| 23:39.29 | hd|laptop | but maildir would require unix accounts for every user, right? |
| 23:39.51 | dutchfish | pasteeater, http://securityreason.com/achievement_securityalert/57 and #41492 |
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| 23:40.59 | pasteeater | dutchfish: heh. we're talking about two different bugs now. |
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| 23:42.50 | dutchfish | pasteeater, and http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/archive/1/501376/100/0/threaded |
| 23:43.19 | dutchfish | pasteeater, if you really delve into php5 you find many more ;) |
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| 23:43.53 | dutchfish | pasteeater, not earthshocking |
| 23:44.04 | pasteeater | dutchfish: the words "delve" and "php" makes me think of jumping in and never leaving. |
| 23:44.17 | hexoroid | is there easy way to chmod all the folders in the directory to 777 and files to 666 |
| 23:44.22 | dutchfish | pasteeater, not completely untrue |
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| 23:44.55 | pasteeater | hexoroid: find . -type d -exec sudo chmod 777 {} \; && find . -type f -exec sudo chmod 666 {} \; |
| 23:45.03 | pasteeater | hexoroid: test first |
| 23:45.09 | hexoroid | ok thank you sir |
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| 23:46.19 | dutchfish | pasteeater, dont tie yourself up to one security level when you have to use php, my 2 cents |
| 23:47.12 | pasteeater | dutchfish: yeah, it's my fault for not getting virtualization working before the deadline. |
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| 23:47.31 | dustybin | will the auto option in fstab automount a external hard drive on connection? |
| 23:47.41 | dustybin | or will it only work on boot up |
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| 23:48.26 | Shadowless_egg | i need help with dd (for windows) |
| 23:48.34 | Shadowless_egg | i do dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e: |
| 23:48.41 | Shadowless_egg | and all it comes back with is dd if=boot.img of=\\.\g: |
| 23:48.44 | Shadowless_egg | oops3 |
| 23:48.48 | Shadowless_egg | dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e:* |
| 23:48.51 | pasteeater | hexoroid: oh, and you should probably take out those "sudo"s in my example. |
| 23:48.57 | hexoroid | pasteeater i dont have access to root i am just on the shell its asking me to typ in the pass |
| 23:48.58 | hexoroid | ok |
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| 23:49.26 | pasteeater | sorry, that came straight from my history file |
| 23:50.15 | hexoroid | pasteeater it says for some files that operation is not permited |
| 23:50.23 | hexoroid | like for *.zip files and so |
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| 23:51.05 | pasteeater | hexoroid: do you own those files or have the proper permissions? |
| 23:51.52 | objorn | do i have to restart after setting locales? |
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| 23:52.47 | objorn | i closed the irc client, closed the screen session, close the shell, opened a new shell, new screen session and irc client and still am unable to read foreign characters |
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| 23:53.18 | objorn | can read them just fine in firefox, but not in the console |
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| 23:54.50 | mr_crowley | bloody xmoto grr |
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| 23:57.41 | objorn | sudo locale -a |
| 23:57.43 | objorn | C |
| 23:57.45 | objorn | POSIX |
| 23:57.47 | objorn | en_US |
| 23:57.49 | objorn | en_US.iso88591 |
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| 23:57.51 | objorn | en_US.utf8 |
| 23:58.22 | objorn | c and posix need to go bye-bye if only i knew where they were specified |
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| 23:59.28 | Shadowless_egg1 | any? |
| 23:59.29 | catsup | those aren't real locales |
| 23:59.37 | catsup | those are for when you don't use any locale |
| 23:59.43 | Shadowless_egg1 | can anyone help me with dd (for windows) |
| 23:59.59 | Shadowless_egg1 | i do dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e: |