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| 00:00.11 | dkay | #debian, can you try to figure out why my sudo command not works? |
| 00:00.18 | dkay | ive added the following command to visudoers list: |
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| 00:00.47 | dkay | user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: SETENV: /usr/bin/rsync |
| 00:01.19 | dkay | this command was working fine all the time till today |
| 00:01.34 | dkay | now my backup user is always asked for password |
| 00:01.49 | dkay | its confusing me! it is the whole same config! |
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| 00:04.22 | dkay | and more funny as the above problem is: ive tried this as root user and i got asked for root password??? eh? |
| 00:04.39 | LtL | dkay: did you use 'visudo' to edit /etc/sudoers ? checkout man visudo |
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| 00:06.30 | dkay | LtL, yes i did! but forget :) |
| 00:06.34 | dkay | ive fixed my problem! |
| 00:07.12 | dkay | ive configured another user on the dest server. now it works oO |
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| 00:10.22 | hackeron | hey, I have kernel.panic_on_oops = 1 in my /etc/sysctl.conf and it works fine to reboot the server whenever there is an oops. Problem is the oops isn't logged and it makes it impossible to dianose the problem. What can I do to log the oops? |
| 00:11.02 | adb | !bootlog |
| 00:11.02 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 00:15.17 | hackeron | adb: boot log will log a kernel panic or oops that happened before a reboot? -- how? |
| 00:15.37 | hackeron | adb: when an oops happens, nothing is flushed to the filesystem, the system just reboots |
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| 00:16.07 | adb | i dunno , |
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| 00:22.34 | iaindalton | Does aptitude reinstall redownload the package and overwrite the old files? The aptitude and apt-get manuals don't say exactly what reinstalling entails. |
| 00:25.17 | adb | none redownload the packages |
| 00:26.53 | iaindalton | If a file somehow got damaged, how would I redownload it? Uninstall then reinstall? |
| 00:27.47 | xhairball | iaindalton: It won't redownload it if it's already in your /var/cache/apt/archives. If it's not there, it will redownload it. |
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| 00:29.08 | adb | aptitude reinstall packagename |
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| 00:29.31 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc: the -d option showed the authenticator "returning 13". with a quick search around the mailling list of exim someone posted that AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS='true' as an exim macro would solve it. I don't know how which conf to edit on Lenny with all this spited configuration, but might solve it |
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| 00:31.06 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc: thanks a lot for the help pointing in the right direction, still, can you tell me the right conf to edit on lenny with the configuration set to split? |
| 00:31.39 | iaindalton | OK thanks guys |
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| 00:46.14 | Miguel_Angelo | all solved on exim by editing /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/00_exim4-config_header with AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS='true' and REMOTE_HOSTS_AVOID_TLS='x.x.x.x' with the proper host. This solves authenticating against ms exchange server as a smarthost. Thank you for all the help! |
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| 00:59.56 | ampx | hey guys has any body setup a ssh server to use for remote desktop |
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| 01:02.21 | adb | y |
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| 01:03.15 | ampx | I would like to use my desktop while away |
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| 01:04.37 | magyar | is iceweasel 3.5 out for testing? |
| 01:05.22 | ampx | I read a little bit and my first idea was to use tightvnc but i found out that its not very safe (this will be from a public network)...so i thought i could run my debian desktop as an openssh server but don't really know what else to use with that |
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| 01:05.38 | markybob | magyar, see for yourself. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 01:05.39 | xhairball | magyar: iceweasel 3.0.14 is still the latest on testing and unstable. |
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| 01:05.56 | goofy | hi all |
| 01:06.09 | goofy | i have a litle problem with my raid |
| 01:06.17 | goofy | can anybody help me? |
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| 01:06.27 | magyar | xhairball: that sucks |
| 01:06.28 | goofy | i want to spin down one of my disk |
| 01:06.35 | goofy | magyar :) |
| 01:07.01 | sway_ | ampx: ssh with X11 forwarding |
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| 01:09.19 | maddash | wtf? that kind of language is allowed here? |
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| 01:09.44 | LobbyZ | Hey, is it possible to set a diskspace limit on a user? |
| 01:09.49 | xhairball | Is anyone using bootchart? There's a critical bug since April but apparently only one person is complaining. |
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| 01:16.54 | magyar | volatile.debian.org << is it down? |
| 01:17.37 | markybob | magyar, yes |
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| 01:21.48 | saulus | I want to use duplicity for making a backup of selected files only. So I created a list of files to pass the file to duplicity. But duplicity doesnt accept this list without a path name and exits for me with "only specifies that files be included. Because the default is to include all files, the expression is redundant. Exiting because this probably isn't what you meant." How can I manage this? |
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| 01:36.47 | maddash | ls |
| 01:36.50 | maddash | rm -fr |
| 01:36.52 | RedLance | Greetings all. I'm not very familiar with compiling programs from source. Can I compile a program under Ubuntu and then install/use it under Debian? |
| 01:37.21 | nevyn | RedLance: ummm yeahish.. it's probably a bad idea tho. |
| 01:37.45 | joeyjone- | what's a good/simple socks proxy for debian? |
| 01:38.00 | RedLance | nevyn: Ahhh, ok...Can I compile under Debian in a VM under Ubuntu? |
| 01:38.15 | bugjar | nevyn : cos of potential linking errors or cos it is starting from ubuntu?? ;) |
| 01:38.57 | nevyn | RedLance: what are you compiling? and why. and what does it depend on. if you want to distribute it as a binary it may be sensible to make a real package.. |
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| 01:39.41 | nevyn | and are you sure it's not packaged already? |
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| 01:40.02 | xhairball | joeyjone-: tsocks (tor uses it for torify). |
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| 01:40.36 | RedLance | nevyn: Mediatomb, because I need a version later then the one supplied in the repositories, it depends on a quite a few things, I can probably list them all if you want. I don't want to distribute it, I only want to run it on a system with no development libraries, since it only has a 4gig compact flash card for a system drive. |
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| 01:43.05 | kosmic | What |
| 01:43.07 | nevyn | RedLance: so download the source package and change out the original tarball and re-build it |
| 01:43.13 | kosmic | I s there a DECENT torrentclient |
| 01:43.18 | kosmic | in the repositories |
| 01:43.28 | kosmic | transmission not work so well |
| 01:43.40 | nevyn | kosmic: decent is subjective |
| 01:44.01 | nevyn | I like ktorrent or utorrent but those may not work for you. |
| 01:44.14 | kosmic | problem is the outdated transmission version |
| 01:44.19 | kosmic | I use the cli only |
| 01:44.26 | kosmic | need a cli client ;( |
| 01:44.50 | RedLance | nevyn: Rebuild it where though, on my Ubuntu machine, or in my Debian VM? |
| 01:45.21 | kosmic | version 1.22 in debian |
| 01:45.58 | kosmic | latest is somewhere in 1.77 |
| 01:46.44 | kosmic | nevermind |
| 01:46.48 | kosmic | Ill ask in #linux |
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| 01:49.25 | marh | is there an easy way to get the config of the currently running kernel so i can use it to build my own kernel with just a few tweaks? |
| 01:49.43 | markybob | marh, it's in /boot/ |
| 01:50.11 | marh | markybob: oh.. thanks |
| 01:50.24 | pipeline | markybob: /proc/config |
| 01:51.11 | markybob | pipeline, no, it'd be /proc/config.gz, and only if the kernel was configured for that option. and i'm not the one who asked. nice try, though. |
| 01:51.47 | pipeline | markybob: eh you two have the same starting string, you're the same person. Don't deny it. 3 letters is all it takes to identify a unique user. |
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| 01:51.58 | marh | yes, it isn't there.. but it'll be the first thing i activate :) |
| 01:52.10 | markybob | pipeline, you'd still be wrong |
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| 01:55.49 | wopand | how to clear all the past commands that i had keyed in? |
| 01:56.10 | markybob | wopand, rm ~/.bash_history |
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| 01:57.46 | bernie_ | How can i install firmware for a wireless Nic from a disk |
| 01:57.56 | umarzuki | morning guys (almost 10 am here in malaysia) |
| 01:58.11 | dvs | good nighty |
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| 01:58.35 | umarzuki | i want to setup firewall on a remote server |
| 01:58.35 | umarzuki | and i need some tips on doing that |
| 01:59.04 | markybob | umarzuki, take a look at http://shellter.sf.net |
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| 01:59.12 | umarzuki | which firewall tool is better for this particular job (firestarter, arno etc.) |
| 01:59.42 | markybob | umarzuki, firestarter is for desktops, not servers. so are all other gui-related firewall tools |
| 01:59.44 | umarzuki | never did on a live system before |
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| 02:00.02 | pipeline | umarzuki: always flush the table at the top of your firewall script, before any commands to enable/disable - that way, if your script fails midway through, hopefully you haven't locked yourself out :) |
| 02:00.10 | umarzuki | markybob: the server somehow had gnome |
| 02:00.23 | acu | my partition with /usr is 100% full - what can I do ? - I have other partitions /home and /anotherHD with a lot of space |
| 02:00.27 | markybob | umarzuki, remove it. having X on a server is just allowing more security vulnerabilities |
| 02:00.47 | markybob | acu, so create a symlink |
| 02:00.53 | wopand | markybob: doesn't seem to work. 'history -c' used to work but not any more. has there been a change to this command? |
| 02:01.24 | markybob | wopand, removing, logging out and back in will reset it |
| 02:02.20 | acu | markybob, can I do it now ? how should I do it ? |
| 02:03.04 | umarzuki | markybob: does it have deb package? |
| 02:03.05 | markybob | acu, something like mv /usr/lib /spare/ && ln -s /spare/lib /usr/lib |
| 02:03.31 | wopand | markybob: thanks, that works. what about 'history -c', any reason why it is not working? |
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| 02:03.34 | markybob | umarzuki, it's a simple bash script. not needed |
| 02:05.28 | umarzuki | markybob: ok, i'll check it out on my testing machine first |
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| 02:08.35 | _Trinity_ | what I got two scanner and one printer working. The one all in one with HPLIP, what a nightmare |
| 02:09.02 | _Trinity_ | don't install HPLIP before CUPS |
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| 02:21.33 | ksnp | why does useradd create a user with uid and gid like this : 1234:1235 ? why not just 1234:1234 ? |
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| 02:23.36 | adb | useradd ? nah ! , use adduser |
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| 02:25.14 | ksnp | ok |
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| 02:25.45 | ksnp | still i get x:x+1 instead of x:x for uid:gid |
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| 02:26.19 | catsup | http://jerkface.net/gentoo.gif |
| 02:29.10 | woshty | ksnp: maybe there is already a group with 1234? |
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| 02:37.07 | ksnp | i didn' t have it |
| 02:37.26 | ksnp | should i create a system user or normal user for virtual mail ? |
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| 02:39.08 | marh | after resizing a filesystem (lvm, ext3) online, df shows the correct size, however programs still report 'no space on device'. i tried to 'mount -o remount' it, but that doesn't help either. is there anything i can do to make the fs usable without it becoming unavailable? |
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| 02:41.41 | ksnp | should i create a system user or normal user for virtual mail ? |
| 02:41.50 | ksnp | what is the difference ? |
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| 02:42.09 | BackLash|TheFly | how annoying.. so my flashplugin works on my root account but not my user so if i want to view flash i have to open my browser as root |
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| 02:48.28 | catsup | BackLash|TheFly: or you could fix your browser for your user account |
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| 02:48.56 | BackLash|TheFly | carsup: got a suggestion? |
| 02:49.00 | BackLash|TheFly | cat |
| 02:49.05 | catsup | marh: are there inodes free? |
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| 02:49.38 | catsup | BackLash|TheFly: check your .mozilla/plugins dirs for each accuont and also about:plugins |
| 02:49.58 | catsup | BackLash|TheFly: if there's any difference between the two, rectify it; otherwise, i'm not sure :\ |
| 02:50.00 | BackLash|TheFly | eh thats what ive been doing :/ |
| 02:50.12 | catsup | :| |
| 02:50.20 | catsup | marh: type df -i |
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| 02:50.55 | ville | Howdy, does debian some sort of repository where one could get GCC 4.5 snapshot .deb? |
| 02:51.29 | catsup | ville: there is backports.org but it's not going to be updated for frequent gcc snapshots |
| 02:52.04 | ville | Also does debian have some sort of mechanism to manage which GCC is in use if there are multiple installed versions? |
| 02:52.34 | catsup | ville: yes it uses alternatives for that |
| 02:52.44 | stew | judd: versions gcc-snapshot |
| 02:52.44 | judd | stew: gcc-snapshot -- sid: 20090923-1 |
| 02:52.53 | catsup | oh how about that |
| 02:53.05 | stew | ville: no, well written makefiles should know how to check the CC environment variable |
| 02:53.25 | stew | (it doesn't use the alternatives system) |
| 02:53.32 | catsup | um what |
| 02:53.45 | catsup | it does on my system :\ |
| 02:53.58 | stew | catsup: it doesn't on debian |
| 02:54.09 | catsup | 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 117 2009-09-14 16:33 /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/cc |
| 02:54.10 | stew | catsup: and its discussed in /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
| 02:54.23 | ville | stew: I have to be able to use various versions because some projects require 4.5 to build while others are fine with older versions. |
| 02:54.45 | stew | catsup: that's if you want to use gcc or some other non-gnu cc |
| 02:54.55 | stew | catsup: you wouldn't use it to select a different version of gcc |
| 02:54.59 | catsup | ok |
| 02:55.02 | catsup | that's as of lenny |
| 02:55.15 | catsup | or something |
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| 02:55.27 | stew | catsup: no, this is nothing new at all |
| 02:55.44 | catsup | well as of whatever it was before lenny, i forget already |
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| 02:56.37 | stew | catsup: i don't believe that the alternatives system was ever used to select between different versions of gcc on debian |
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| 02:56.47 | catsup | stew: did you see what i pasted |
| 02:56.52 | stew | ville: you should just have to switch the CC env variable |
| 02:56.56 | stew | catsup: yes |
| 02:57.07 | catsup | but you don't have that file? |
| 02:57.11 | stew | catsup: did you see my next 4 responses |
| 02:57.13 | stew | catsup: yes, i do |
| 02:57.28 | catsup | uhh |
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| 02:57.35 | marh | catsup: sorry, had already typed 'reboot', after i did 'mount -o remount,resize' which seemed to nearly stall any operation |
| 02:57.36 | catsup | then you're not using debian? :p |
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| 02:57.48 | stew | catsup: what makes you think that? |
| 02:57.53 | catsup | it's a joke stew |
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| 02:58.52 | ville | so I am bit at loss to what the answer is with regards to having multiple versions of GCC installed? |
| 02:58.53 | catsup | gcc was certainly managed by alternatives |
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| 03:00.01 | BackLash|TheFly | figured it out.. had to change the permissions of /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 03:00.01 | stew | ville: yes, you can have many installed |
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| 03:00.16 | stew | catsup: perhaps in the last century |
| 03:00.22 | ville | stew: How is the "current" version managed then? |
| 03:00.46 | stew | ville: you don't manage it, the gcc package maintainers do |
| 03:01.01 | stew | ville: if you want to use one other than the current one, you change the CC environment variable or the makefile |
| 03:01.27 | ville | stew: Alright fair enough I guess. |
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| 03:01.38 | stew | ville: debian provides many versions in gcc-$version packages, like gcc-3.3 gcc-4.2 etc, they will install /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 etc |
| 03:01.58 | stew | ville: if you had something that needed gcc-4.2 you should be able to compile with "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2" |
| 03:02.04 | catsup | stew: you don't know when gcc stopped using alternatives? |
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| 03:02.21 | ville | stew: All I really need are 4.4.x and then a snapshot of a recent 4.5 to do my development. |
| 03:03.31 | ville | stew: Any idea if there is a 4.5 snapshot .deb? stew: gcc-snapshot -- sid: 20090923-1, not sure what that means |
| 03:03.43 | stew | catsup: as I said, i don't believe it was ever used to manage different versions |
| 03:03.48 | ville | a snapshot of trunk at that date? |
| 03:03.59 | stew | ville: yes, i believe it is a snapshot of trunk |
| 03:04.07 | stew | ville: this package may be difficult to backport to stable |
| 03:04.22 | stew | ville: if you really need to be building things with 4.5 it might be better done in a chroot |
| 03:05.02 | ville | I do, it's a new project aiming to use the already implemented features of C++1x. Have to look into that I guess. |
| 03:05.38 | stew | judd: build-dep gcc-snapshot --release sid |
| 03:05.38 | judd | stew: gcc-snapshot -- BuildDepends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15), debhelper (>= 5.0.62), gcc-multilib [amd64 i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 sparc kfreebsd-amd64], libc6.1-dev (>= 2.5) [alpha ia64] | libc0.3-dev (>= 2.5) [hurd-i386] | libc0.1-dev (>= 2.5) [kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64] | libc6-dev (>= 2.5), libc6-dev-amd64 [i386], libc6-dev-sparc64 [sparc], libc6-dev-s390x [s390], libc6-dev-i386 [amd64], libc6 (4 more messages) |
| 03:05.53 | stew | 4 more messages <- there are lots and lots of build-ddepends |
| 03:06.07 | catsup | hm |
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| 03:08.17 | catsup | ok, apparently /usr/bin/{cc,c++,c89,c99,cpp} is handled by alternatives, but not /usr/bin/{gcc,g++,...} |
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| 03:09.04 | catsup | i personally always used alternatives and 'cc' to select between multiple compilers when i had them, but if you were to use 'gcc' then that wuoldn't work |
| 03:09.08 | stew | catsup: see #312634 that is a bug about the fact that it doesn't use alternatives, which they closed in 2005 by adding the note to README.Debian about WHY they aren't |
| 03:09.19 | catsup | stew: right, but they do, for 'cc' |
| 03:09.21 | Wofl | are there any freebsd testing images available? |
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| 03:09.32 | catsup | so if you use 'cc' instead of 'gcc'... |
| 03:09.49 | Gun_Smoke | what is the simplest way to cap http bandwidth served by apache? OS side? Module? Nothing fancy. Say no more than 250k/s |
| 03:09.57 | pickcoder | shouldn't dpkg -i --force-confmiss pkg.deb reinstall the config files for pkg.deb? |
| 03:10.04 | stew | catsup: as I said before, that is to select between the default gnu cc and some other non gnu cc, it is not used to select between multiple versions of gcc |
| 03:10.47 | stew | pickcoder: it would re-install conffile which are missing completely, not replace ones which have changed (for that you want confnew) |
| 03:10.53 | pickcoder | I deleted them |
| 03:11.00 | pickcoder | I'm trying to get an original sensors3.conf |
| 03:11.04 | stew | pickcoder: and note that there is a difference between a conffile and a configuration file |
| 03:11.06 | pickcoder | it's not putting one back |
| 03:11.16 | stew | pickcoder: are you sure you are reinstalling the correct package? |
| 03:11.23 | pickcoder | there is only one lm-sensors package |
| 03:11.30 | pickcoder | and yes.. I'm installing it |
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| 03:11.40 | CaDaVeRiA | hi |
| 03:11.51 | stew | pickcoder: does sensors3.conf appear in /var/lib/dpkg/info/lm-sensors.conffiles ? |
| 03:11.53 | pickcoder | a reinstall after a purge, using aptitude, said it was "skipping previously deleted sensors3.conf |
| 03:12.00 | catsup | i duno man, i'm pretty sure gcc-something had alternatives :\ |
| 03:12.11 | CaDaVeRiA | someone here has been installing havp with kaspersky? i need some help with that |
| 03:12.23 | pickcoder | ack.. hold on I'm running updatedb |
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| 03:13.23 | pickcoder | stew: nope |
| 03:13.29 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:13.33 | catsup | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gcc272/gcc272_2.7.2.3-19/changelog Don't install an cc alternative anymore. |
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| 03:13.52 | catsup | that is pretty old |
| 03:14.04 | stew | pickcoder: then its not a conffile for that package, it could be for some other package, or it could be that it is a configuration file which isn't a conffile |
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| 03:14.23 | pickcoder | so..sensors-detect should be creating it |
| 03:14.28 | pickcoder | but it's not |
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| 03:15.42 | pickcoder | else nagios will never shut up |
| 03:15.51 | pickcoder | also some of the voltage calcs are wrong |
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| 03:23.37 | jaggz | What happened when I updated from etch->lenny exactly? See, my Keyboard icon in the kde "system tray" is different than the one on my fresh Lenny installation |
| 03:24.44 | jaggz | my newer install shows "en" I think, and it shows "dv" when I'm in dvorak mode. This older install of etch, updated to lenny, shows them both as "us" so I can't see the mode I'm in. |
| 03:24.58 | jaggz | (since it's "usa" and "usa (dvorak)" |
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| 03:53.33 | zog-vsl | does MAILTO work at all in the cron on debian? |
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| 04:08.31 | leejongwook | mucho debian users @_@ |
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| 04:09.08 | leejongwook | hi |
| 04:09.38 | leejongwook | mucho people but nobody talks |
| 04:10.13 | catsup | leejongwook: all issues have been resolved |
| 04:10.20 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 04:10.35 | leejongwook | so you just fishing for a new one ? |
| 04:10.51 | catsup | debian is now completely bug-free, 100% plug-n-play, and right out of the box, everything Just Works |
| 04:11.06 | leejongwook | sounds great :) |
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| 04:12.18 | leejongwook | then this room must be free for chatter like me @_@ |
| 04:12.49 | leejongwook | z..z..z. |
| 04:13.29 | catsup | leejongwook: try #debian-offtopic |
| 04:13.38 | catsup | rburn: did you up a dance vid for that shell? |
| 04:15.14 | rburn | no catsup , sry for leaving and login in |
| 04:15.21 | rburn | will part now |
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| 04:23.06 | Gm4n | if I want a DNS server where I can make all lookups resolve to a single IP, what's a nice easy-to-configure server? |
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| 04:26.11 | lordlicorice | Gm4n: go for it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_server_software |
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| 04:26.41 | Gm4n | lordlicorice: I'm asking what's a good package |
| 04:26.52 | Gm4n | bind9 is a bit more than I want for firepower, so I'm thinking dnsmasq |
| 04:27.02 | nevyn | does anyone know off the top of their head how to list fibrechannel cards and wwns in GNU/Linux? |
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| 04:28.16 | lordlicorice | dnsmasq is more than you want for firepower, go with bind |
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| 04:52.03 | marh | how can i find out which version of a program/library i have installed? |
| 04:52.23 | pickcoder | dpkg --list | grep <part of the package name> |
| 04:52.23 | dpkg | wish i knew, pickcoder |
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| 04:52.51 | marh | pickcoder: great, thanks :) |
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| 05:04.38 | tonsofpcs | i have a broken package half installed... how do I fix it? "dpkg: error processing blender (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal" |
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| 05:16.00 | flixil | I've installed scim scim-tables-zh scim-pinying but I cannot manage to get scim work when I press CTRL-SPACE |
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| 05:17.08 | flixil | I'm using debian testing and gnome, and I tried loading scim from a xterm with (scim &) and also putting /usr/bin/scim -d; XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM" on /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95xinput |
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| 05:29.16 | pyroos | good ole' "acidtripper" |
| 05:29.44 | acidtripper | ajja |
| 05:29.52 | acidtripper | do you know how to access files of a virtualmachine and viceversa |
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| 05:30.09 | pyroos | I use Samba |
| 05:30.13 | marh | is there some kind of log which package i installed/removed/updated and when? |
| 05:30.40 | pyroos | marh: With apt-get? |
| 05:30.49 | marh | pyroos: yes |
| 05:31.24 | tonsofpcs | APT/dpkg: i have a broken package half installed... how do I fix it? "dpkg: error processing blender (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal" |
| 05:31.36 | elliotf | marh: /var/cache/apt/archives/ should have new things you installed (it's a copy of the .deb that was downloaded) |
| 05:32.05 | elliotf | marh: that's for installed/updated |
| 05:33.01 | marh | elliotf: that's good enough for me. thanks :) |
| 05:33.07 | elliotf | marh: np |
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| 05:41.09 | edvar | ok |
| 05:41.26 | edvar | where the hell are the 'testing' iso's |
| 05:41.43 | edvar | the directory from main debian site goes to empty folders |
| 05:42.02 | edvar | did i miss something? |
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| 05:43.19 | Tramp | !testing iso |
| 05:43.19 | dpkg | To install testing using daily built <netinst> images, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today . Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high. Do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing> instead. |
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| 05:43.30 | Tramp | edvar: not sure what you tried. Seems to look fine for me |
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| 05:44.13 | edvar | this is where I looked: |
| 05:44.14 | edvar | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:44.49 | edvar | just following links from the main page lands there |
| 05:44.57 | edvar | but there's nothing in the folder |
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| 05:45.21 | Tramp | the link above leads to daily build directories which look fine |
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| 05:46.06 | simoncpu | the end of the world is near! |
| 05:46.09 | simoncpu | for it is written: the world shall end on the day that the forces of good and evil unite |
| 05:46.14 | simoncpu | i.e., freebsd and debian |
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| 05:48.13 | edvar | you mean the net installer? |
| 05:49.32 | edvar | that's not what i'm looking for |
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| 05:51.06 | krsna | after connecting an external keyboard to the acer aspire one netbook the internal keyboard is messed up. I can temporarily restore it by doing "setxkbmap [countrycode]" and keeping ctrl-c pressed for some time. (strangely its the combination of these 2 things, one of them alone is of no avail). i have done "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" but it seems i cant find the right keyboard (currently its at "intl 105", which does not work properly, as said) |
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| 05:54.13 | simoncpu | boring |
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| 05:55.07 | edvar | simoncpu: which one is the evil one? |
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| 06:02.47 | krsna | simoncpu if its so boring you could give me at hint? |
| 06:03.04 | krsna | ah, he left |
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| 06:24.42 | valdyn | !reverse dependency |
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| 06:42.03 | Wooga | how do i make mirror repositary, like with apt-mirror, but with many different architectures? |
| 06:42.18 | Wooga | i need i386 and amd64 at least |
| 06:43.13 | Wooga | can't see anything but 'defaultarch' in mirror.list and no manuals to mirror.list directives specifying other archs |
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| 07:49.50 | yousoboil | Hello I got an error when I try to send mail 421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfn987ifeb014049 (bfcommit, uid=0, gid=0): Permission denied |
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| 07:57.04 | AruNatsu | and why would it ever remove mplayer to install pidgin in the first place? |
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| 08:06.22 | tamizh_geek | paste the output that apt barfed |
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| 08:16.59 | Sia- | i've lilo removed and installed grub boot loader, but still by booting the screen is lilo 22.8 loadi Linux .... ? |
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| 08:18.35 | brbrbr | seems lilo don't removed from mbr, before grub install |
| 08:18.41 | sphenxes | hi, I am looking for open source software that can work like exchange Microsft. I have seen two software out their, egroupware and open-xchange. which one is better and are they both open source (free). |
| 08:19.03 | nlindblad | If I set a disk quota for an entire group |
| 08:19.08 | nlindblad | And I set it to X |
| 08:19.22 | nlindblad | Does that mean each user of the group gets X space or that X space is shared between the users in the group? |
| 08:19.39 | brbrbr | imho, last option |
| 08:19.54 | Sia- | brbrbr, you mean i should install lilo and removed after grub or waht? |
| 08:19.59 | nlindblad | Is there any easy way of doing it the first way? |
| 08:20.11 | Sia- | but the apt-cache policy lilo say is removed |
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| 08:20.27 | brbrbr | Sia, you should remove lilo loader manually |
| 08:20.35 | brbrbr | man lilo for details |
| 08:20.46 | Sia- | ok |
| 08:21.02 | themolester | I am loading a fuse based filesystem in fstab, is there a way to specify ulimit -n (open files per process) before fstab is loaded |
| 08:21.51 | brbrbr | themolester try powertweak |
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| 08:31.52 | themolester | i found another way, but thank you brbrbr |
| 08:32.38 | brbrbr | good. no problem/welcom |
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| 08:46.59 | zykes- | can i disable ipv6 use in apt in anyway? |
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| 08:50.59 | gunkamanti | !ati |
| 08:50.59 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:51.15 | gunkamanti | !fglrx |
| 08:51.15 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:00.57 | Sia- | brbrbr, but if lilo is removed you can't read the lilo and is nothing to do |
| 09:02.28 | brbrbr | you can: 1. load debian in recovery mode to repair/remove boot loader. 2. temporaly install it,to remove more completely. 3. use another media, to fix it[like Knoppix or special ERD Linux disks]. |
| 09:04.02 | pengwyn | time to clone nn all |
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| 09:05.08 | Sia- | brbrbr, that is a solution to remove it? |
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| 09:05.54 | gunkamanti | hi, i'm trying to install fglrx on testing, according to http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary , and modprobe fglrx gives me a fatal error: cannot allocate memory. any idea how to fix this? |
| 09:06.23 | gunkamanti | with kernel 2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 09:06.39 | brbrbr | simplest way is 2. install lilo, then uninstall it with lilo, tools[not apt], then remove lilo packages finally |
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| 09:07.27 | brbrbr | gunkamanti, you sure, shared memory support enable, in kernel config ?[before compilation] |
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| 09:09.05 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: not at all :) |
| 09:09.21 | gunkamanti | i just did m-a a-i fglrx, and hoped everything was set right. |
| 09:10.21 | gunkamanti | so how would i check for this? |
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| 09:11.17 | brbrbr | it enabled in stock debian kernel image, so if you dont use custom-made kernel, you can not worry about |
| 09:11.42 | brbrbr | so cause of problem is somewhere else |
| 09:11.55 | gunkamanti | hm, seems i'm not the only one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538431 |
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| 09:12.17 | brbrbr | check #ati channel :) |
| 09:12.25 | brbrbr | and praise ATi fix it soon ;) |
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| 09:13.03 | brbrbr | btw, why not 2.6.31 ? :) |
| 09:13.17 | brbrbr | vanilla meant |
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| 09:14.01 | gunkamanti | the bugreport says all these cards are not supported any more... |
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| 09:14.28 | gunkamanti | hm, i'll probably try radeon then. |
| 09:14.31 | gunkamanti | !radeon |
| 09:14.31 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on freenode. |
| 09:15.10 | gunkamanti | thx so far brbrbr :) |
| 09:15.42 | Wooga_tc | how can i recod sound i hear in alsa? |
| 09:16.00 | Wooga_tc | i found manual http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_pcm, but i have no 'Mix' device |
| 09:16.02 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: er, because it's not available in testing? :) |
| 09:16.12 | Wooga_tc | using debian squeeze amd64 and amixer 1.0.20 |
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| 09:16.47 | brbrbr | yep, but you always can check kernel.org ftp ;) and use it with debian-patch package ;) |
| 09:16.58 | brbrbr | kidding. a bit |
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| 09:17.01 | brbrbr | _ |
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| 09:18.13 | brbrbr | "Mux", not "Mix", meant ? |
| 09:18.32 | brbrbr | its invisible, until turned on in "properies" of mixer, by default |
| 09:18.42 | brbrbr | its off |
| 09:18.54 | Wooga_tc | i have no 'Mux' either |
| 09:18.59 | brbrbr | of |
| 09:19.07 | brbrbr | what codec you have ? CMI ? |
| 09:19.15 | Wooga_tc | how do i know? |
| 09:19.22 | brbrbr | what sound card ? |
| 09:19.55 | Wooga | 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) |
| 09:19.57 | brbrbr | have same problem with some Xonar cards |
| 09:20.06 | Wooga | some integrated one |
| 09:20.07 | brbrbr | oh, its IDT HDA |
| 09:20.11 | brbrbr | intel HDA. |
| 09:20.23 | brbrbr | it HAVE Mux |
| 09:20.34 | Wooga | $ amixer sset 'Mux' cap |
| 09:20.34 | Wooga | amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Mux',0 |
| 09:21.44 | brbrbr | weird :/ i cannot check, because have no testing machine under hand right not, sorry :[ |
| 09:22.29 | brbrbr | but in some cases, i prefer rebuild fresh alsa manually. if you have time, you can try too. |
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| 09:23.06 | Wooga | dunno how |
| 09:23.28 | Wooga | i just thinked that in debian all already built in right way |
| 09:23.30 | brbrbr | download alsa sources from alsa page and them configure and build it |
| 09:23.42 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: #ati is sleeping. can you tell me if radeon driver will give me smooth kde desktop effects ? |
| 09:24.03 | brbrbr | its true for released["stable"] versions. but not testing/unstable and crippled debians, aka "Ubuntu" |
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| 09:24.40 | brbrbr | gunkamanti for me its works fine. until stability and security is not extremely important |
| 09:24.50 | brbrbr | and all FX's works on it |
| 09:25.07 | Wooga | 'testing' debian is much more stable then some fedora/mandriva things |
| 09:25.12 | Wooga | they are closer to sid |
| 09:25.39 | brbrbr | yep. but "stable" is even more stable and close(or better, IMO) to CentOS/RHEL ;) |
| 09:25.50 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: ok, then i'll try it. |
| 09:26.37 | brbrbr | oh, sry, im wrong |
| 09:26.55 | brbrbr | realised that gunkamati meant "radeon" ati driver |
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| 09:27.23 | gunkamanti | so you're using fglrx ? |
| 09:27.32 | brbrbr | "radeon" still have partially implemented 3D |
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| 09:27.39 | brbrbr | im use VESA ;) |
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| 09:28.11 | brbrbr | or latest radeonhd |
| 09:28.21 | gunkamanti | !radeonhd |
| 09:28.21 | dpkg | well, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx and R6xx family of chipsets (R7xx since version 1.2.2). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:29.01 | brbrbr | radeonhd have even more limited 3d support than radeon, but extremely lightweight and stable.E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y :P |
| 09:29.20 | brbrbr | so, you X11 load blazing fast :P |
| 09:29.25 | brbrbr | and work too :) |
| 09:29.28 | andreus | hello. i have a strange problem. i've just uninstalled windows 7 and installed debian lenny via net-install. Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz, 3gb ram but... onboard video card. using gnome and everything is horribly slow. xorg.conf doesn't contain any driver related information. i do not know how to find out how many MBs this card have but know the model Intel G41. please, help. |
| 09:29.37 | gunkamanti | radeonhd looks good. |
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| 09:30.15 | andreus | i've tried reconfiguring xorg but changed nothing. no idea how to solve it so far. |
| 09:30.17 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: what's your natural language btw? :) |
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| 09:30.32 | brbrbr | gunkamati, its stroggish |
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| 09:32.22 | catsup | andreus: what's your cpu usage like |
| 09:33.31 | andreus | catsup, 12:33:20 up 17 min, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.22, 0.13 |
| 09:33.53 | andreus | /proc/cpuinfo shows both units |
| 09:34.02 | andreus | moment, restarting X |
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| 09:36.42 | si-p | can someone give me some pointers on how to mount a disk that was in a sw raid? |
| 09:36.46 | catsup | daiver: load average != cpu usage, try 'top'. also try running irc in screen |
| 09:36.58 | si-p | i try to mount it and it says filesystem type is mdraid |
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| 09:37.36 | catsup | si-p: mdadm --assemble |
| 09:38.08 | si-p | catsup: will that allow me to mount just one disk from the raid? |
| 09:38.20 | catsup | no. that doesn't make any sense. |
| 09:38.20 | si-p | i just want to see what's on the disk |
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| 09:38.34 | si-p | w/o reconstructing the raid |
| 09:38.37 | catsup | what's on the disk is not a filesystem |
| 09:38.47 | catsup | unless it's raid-1 |
| 09:39.03 | catsup | you can only mount a filesystem |
| 09:39.06 | DustyDingo | hm, when i update cryptsetup, it triggered update-initramfs |
| 09:39.12 | DustyDingo | but that just takes for ages |
| 09:39.15 | DustyDingo | and never completes |
| 09:39.17 | DustyDingo | any ideas? |
| 09:39.18 | catsup | you can of course view the disk with 'less' or such, without mounting it |
| 09:39.26 | DustyDingo | what is wrong/what can i do? |
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| 09:39.50 | catsup | how long does it run before it reaches 'never'? |
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| 09:40.13 | catsup | did you look at the subprocesses running? |
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| 09:40.53 | catsup | (like ps aux -H |grep -A 15 update-initramfs) |
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| 09:41.22 | catsup | si-p: is it raid1? |
| 09:41.39 | si-p | catsup: is that mirrored? |
| 09:41.43 | catsup | yeah |
| 09:41.46 | si-p | yes then |
| 09:41.50 | DustyDingo | catsup: 2-3 houres |
| 09:41.50 | catsup | oh ok |
| 09:42.07 | DustyDingo | and yes the subprocess takes some load |
| 09:42.11 | si-p | the error from mount is "mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid'" |
| 09:42.30 | DustyDingo | catsup: the same on two debian testing systems of mine |
| 09:42.32 | si-p | i was hoping i'd just need to modprobe md (or something) |
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| 09:43.22 | catsup | si-p: you want to use "mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --run missing /dev/whatever" |
| 09:43.29 | catsup | si-p: then you can mount /dev/md0 |
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| 09:43.56 | buntfalke | "kernel BUG at fs/buffer.c:3264!" <-- what can i do with my dmesg output to help the developers? |
| 09:44.05 | catsup | DustyDingo: what process is it that keeps on running for hours? |
| 09:44.09 | buntfalke | I use my own kernel, self-compiled vanilla. |
| 09:44.32 | catsup | buntfalke: see if it's been reported on LKML; if not, report it |
| 09:44.41 | catsup | buntfalke: are you using btrfs? |
| 09:44.55 | buntfalke | No, ex3 and ext4 only. |
| 09:45.09 | buntfalke | I'm not gonna read lkml now...that's a bit too much to dig through... |
| 09:45.30 | buntfalke | well, i'll check the kernel.org bug tracker, if it aint there i'll file it. |
| 09:45.42 | buntfalke | Whatever, maybe it's being read, maybe it's not being read... |
| 09:46.06 | catsup | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124855835730710&w=2 |
| 09:46.31 | si-p | catsup: nice, I'll give that a go |
| 09:46.35 | catsup | maybe you chould check if it's the same line of code as that guy |
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| 09:48.06 | DustyDingo | catsup: catsup some cryptsetup post script |
| 09:48.12 | DustyDingo | it still sometimes forks sed |
| 09:48.26 | catsup | i didn't know there was a bug tracker |
| 09:48.27 | DustyDingo | cryptsetup.postinst |
| 09:48.41 | catsup | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html |
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| 09:50.45 | catsup | DustyDingo: well that makes sense. is that a perl script? |
| 09:50.59 | DustyDingo | *shurg* |
| 09:51.05 | catsup | um |
| 09:51.08 | DustyDingo | i don't see any perl involved |
| 09:51.11 | DustyDingo | /bin/sh |
| 09:51.17 | catsup | oh |
| 09:51.32 | catsup | it's a shell script, and its hanging, but does it have child processes of its own? |
| 09:51.46 | catsup | if it's a shell script, add 'set -x' at the top |
| 09:51.54 | catsup | then you will see where exactly it hangs |
| 09:52.06 | DustyDingo | it doesn't "hang" |
| 09:52.31 | DustyDingo | it just forks, calls sed, etc. |
| 09:52.38 | catsup | um |
| 09:52.38 | catsup | ok |
| 09:52.42 | catsup | what i was trying to ask before |
| 09:52.56 | catsup | was what is the process that is not returning |
| 09:53.16 | catsup | like if you type ps aux -H, what is the most distant child of update-initramfs |
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| 09:53.18 | DustyDingo | there isn't a binary, which isn't returning |
| 09:53.35 | catsup | there must be |
| 09:53.36 | si-p | catsup: I had to drop missing, but it's working :) |
| 09:53.48 | DustyDingo | /bin/sh/ .../cryptsetup.postinst |
| 09:54.06 | si-p | catsup: thanks |
| 09:54.08 | DustyDingo | has forked itself |
| 09:54.15 | DustyDingo | fords itself again |
| 09:54.22 | DustyDingo | but that process returns sometimes |
| 09:54.26 | catsup | why don't you paste the tree into a pastebin |
| 09:54.31 | catsup | so i can see |
| 09:54.36 | DustyDingo | and the top level postinst calls sed, etc. |
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| 10:01.50 | dreamer | hi all, I installed a 3rd party package with dpkg -i, how do I now remove it? |
| 10:02.27 | petemc | dreamer: dpkg -r |
| 10:02.28 | catsup | dreamer: dpkg -r |
| 10:02.29 | Araneidae | Anybody know about getting Lucida fonts into open office? I'm just trying to install sun-java6-jre in hopes that'll help |
| 10:02.46 | dreamer | petemc, catsup: thnx, do I do this on the package I installed it from? |
| 10:02.54 | catsup | no do it on the package name |
| 10:03.06 | catsup | which is probably everything in the filename before _ |
| 10:03.10 | dreamer | ok |
| 10:04.35 | dreamer | still looking for a good OSS NMR-prediction software -_- |
| 10:05.05 | catsup | what is that physics? |
| 10:05.20 | dreamer | sort of |
| 10:05.26 | dreamer | chemical analysis actually |
| 10:06.03 | gunkamanti | brbrbr: the page on www.x.org about getting radeonhd is not very helpful. if i have xserver-org-video-radeonhd, and put "radeonhd" into xorg.conf, is there anything else i should do to get it to run? |
| 10:06.04 | catsup | what do you do with that? |
| 10:07.04 | dreamer | catsup: analyse chemical samples/syntheses, and in my case I want to have a predicted spectrum to evaluate my results from synthesis |
| 10:07.37 | catsup | so in other words you make LSD |
| 10:07.37 | dreamer | hahaha |
| 10:07.37 | dreamer | no ;) |
| 10:07.37 | catsup | :p |
| 10:07.40 | dreamer | (I wish) |
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| 10:08.13 | Araneidae | For what it's worth, the answer to my question appears to have been sun-java-jre! |
| 10:08.31 | catsup | Araneidae: how strange |
| 10:08.54 | echosystm | Araneidae: i think its best to install openoffice from the website, not the repo |
| 10:09.07 | echosystm | its a java app so it doesnt need to be compiled or anything |
| 10:09.22 | echosystm | makes no sense to run the openjdk/gck version |
| 10:09.41 | echosystm | gcj even |
| 10:10.07 | catsup | um openoffice isn't a java app is it? |
| 10:10.21 | mhymn | and that's not openoffice in debian's repo jfyi |
| 10:10.23 | gunkamanti | hm, new problem: i entered "radeonhd" into xorg.conf, and started kdm, now i don't get a video signal , and can't switch to virtual console :( |
| 10:10.38 | Araneidae | Hmm. Well, it calls itself open office |
| 10:10.52 | Araneidae | Or, to be precise: OpenOffice.org 2.4 |
| 10:10.52 | echosystm | afaik openoffice is java yes |
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| 10:11.20 | dreamer | checks if the ChemDraw-pc's are free yet .. |
| 10:11.24 | Araneidae | Very strange. My fonts look ok in edit mode, but in slide show mode they look like crap |
| 10:11.25 | catsup | gunkamanti: that means X found your video card =D |
| 10:11.30 | mhymn | Araneidae: that's go openoffice actually, which is a tuned version, so it's better to use the repo version |
| 10:11.35 | gunkamanti | yay :P |
| 10:11.36 | Araneidae | is hugely unimpressed by Impress |
| 10:11.52 | Araneidae | I've got what the stock install of Debian Lenny gave me! |
| 10:11.55 | catsup | i thought it just used java plugins |
| 10:11.56 | gunkamanti | catsup: any tips how to not have to restart the machine? (can't ssh to it) |
| 10:12.14 | echosystm | Araneidae: http://www.openoffice.org/ download, install, profit |
| 10:12.32 | catsup | gunkamanti: try ctrl-alt-f6 then log in blind |
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| 10:12.57 | gunkamanti | i already have an open console at F1 |
| 10:12.57 | catsup | gunkamanti: to verify you're in, hit backspace after blind login and listen for a beep. hope you have that enabled. |
| 10:13.03 | catsup | ok modify accordingly |
| 10:13.07 | gunkamanti | not enabled :) |
| 10:13.35 | catsup | hm |
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| 10:14.18 | catsup | maybe just try echo -e '\a' |
| 10:14.29 | catsup | although that's harder to type :p |
| 10:14.44 | catsup | ^V^Genter |
| 10:16.12 | gunkamanti | i think i removed beeping at the hardware level. |
| 10:16.28 | gunkamanti | so what should i do to get the screen back? :) |
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| 10:17.01 | catsup | oh |
| 10:17.10 | catsup | well you can't tell whether you have it |
| 10:17.25 | JPT | shutdown the machine...if it works, you can login again |
| 10:17.28 | catsup | i was just going to suggest opening up ssh access |
| 10:17.31 | Araneidae | Huh. The download is OO 3.1.1; bit of an advance on 2.4 |
| 10:17.41 | gunkamanti | well i tried scp'ing a file to a remote machine, which didn't work :P |
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| 10:17.47 | catsup | :( |
| 10:17.48 | tarzeau | is anyone using nfsv4 ? |
| 10:18.02 | gunkamanti | i can't find out the ip address. |
| 10:18.03 | catsup | !anyone |
| 10:18.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 10:18.04 | tarzeau | i keep getting mount.nfs4: mounting krum:/scratch failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory |
| 10:18.42 | Araneidae | So what does `showmount -e krum` show? |
| 10:18.45 | mhymn | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 10:18.46 | judd | mhymn: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch7 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:3.1.1-2 sid: 1:3.1.1-4 |
| 10:19.00 | tarzeau | Araneidae: the export list of krum? |
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| 10:19.06 | catsup | lol |
| 10:19.09 | catsup | good answer |
| 10:19.11 | Araneidae | lenny-backports |
| 10:19.26 | Araneidae | tarzeau, indeed, and I suppose /scratch is listed? |
| 10:19.30 | tarzeau | Araneidae: /scratch @many, and the command i use is: mount -v -t nfs4 krum:/scratch /mnt |
| 10:19.46 | tarzeau | Araneidae: of course, yes |
| 10:20.02 | Araneidae | oh well; that's all I know, sorry |
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| 10:21.01 | Araneidae | So, lenny-backports -- do I have to manually add that to my software sources list? |
| 10:21.12 | mhymn | Araneidae: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:21.29 | catsup | tarzeau: does it work without -t nfs4 |
| 10:21.42 | Araneidae | dbpk didn't say a thing |
| 10:21.49 | Araneidae | oh. It was a bit slow |
| 10:22.06 | tarzeau | catsup: yes, but then it's only nfs3 |
| 10:22.16 | Araneidae | mhymn, thanks |
| 10:22.37 | catsup | tarzeau: add fsid=0 to exports options |
| 10:22.43 | tarzeau | catsup: i got that already |
| 10:22.46 | Parimal | hi, need help on squid. |
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| 10:22.55 | Parimal | i've compiled squid on debian ./configure --libexecdir=/usr/lib/squid --sysconfdir=/etc --binddir=/usr/sbin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --enable-snmp --enable-wccp --enable-wccpv2 --enable-ssl --enable-x-accelerator-vary --localstatedir=/var/spool/squid |
| 10:23.12 | catsup | oh |
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| 10:23.47 | Parimal | I tried to configure squid as transparent proxy, i got error "WARNING: transparent proxying not supported" |
| 10:23.58 | beardy | Then you know. |
| 10:23.59 | catsup | tarzeau: try mount krum:/ |
| 10:24.28 | Parimal | from google i came to know i didn't use --enable-linux-netfilter |
| 10:24.53 | tarzeau | catsup: that works, but i want nfs4 |
| 10:24.54 | beardy | !wayic Parimal |
| 10:24.54 | Parimal | can i enable it without recompiling squid again.. |
| 10:24.54 | Parimal | ? |
| 10:24.54 | beardy | !wayc Parimal |
| 10:24.55 | dpkg | Parimal: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 10:25.07 | catsup | tarzeau: yeah i mean with -t nfs4 |
| 10:25.19 | tarzeau | catsup: still the same error msg |
| 10:25.25 | catsup | :\ well i duno man |
| 10:25.35 | tarzeau | catsup: oh wait |
| 10:25.37 | tarzeau | it mounted it! |
| 10:25.43 | catsup | =D |
| 10:25.48 | Parimal | through aptitude wccp is not enabled.. |
| 10:25.56 | tarzeau | catsup: wait how did it know it needs to pick /scratch and not someplace different? |
| 10:26.10 | tarzeau | catsup: what if i have several paths exported andwant to mount a different one? |
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| 10:26.12 | catsup | fsid=0 => / |
| 10:26.25 | Araneidae | Surely after installing lenny-backports I should have some packages marked for upgrade? |
| 10:26.27 | Parimal | i need transparent and wccp on squid so i compiled squid through source code.. |
| 10:26.29 | gunkamanti | so, radeonhd gave me a black screen :( i'm now trying to get dri working with "radeon", to no avail. libgl1-mesa-dri is installed, but glxinfo gives a BadRequest. |
| 10:26.34 | tarzeau | catsup: but no it mounted /scratch not / of krum |
| 10:26.34 | catsup | and, i don't really know, but it's in man 5 exports |
| 10:26.39 | catsup | right i know |
| 10:26.40 | tarzeau | ok let me read that |
| 10:26.52 | catsup | specifying fsid=0 on /scratch makes moutn krum:/ mean /scratch |
| 10:27.43 | tarzeau | catsup: and if i set fsid to something else ? what happens? man 5 exports isn't really verbose. how can i mean /exports/data1 ? |
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| 10:28.17 | Araneidae | Oh. |
| 10:28.34 | Araneidae | reads that backports are deactivated by default |
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| 10:29.37 | catsup | tarzeau: duno :| |
| 10:29.52 | catsup | http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration |
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| 10:30.03 | catsup | NFSv4 no longer has a separate "mount" protocol. Instead of exporting a number of distinct exports, an NFSv4 client sees the NFSv4 server's exports as existing inside a single filesystem, called the nfsv4 "pseudofilesystem". |
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| 10:30.07 | tarzeau | catsup: well thanks |
| 10:30.08 | catsup | On the current linux implementation, the pseudofilesystem is a single real filesystem, identified at export with the fsid=0 option. |
| 10:30.11 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 10:30.16 | heroxbd | Hey guys. Does LiveCD / LiveUSB exist for Intel iMac? |
| 10:30.18 | catsup | In the example above, we exported only a single filesystem, which the client mounted as "/". You can provide clients with multiple filesystems to mount, producing NFSv3-like-behavior, by creative use of mount --bind. For example, you could export /usr/local/bin to clients as /bin and /usr/local/etc as /etc as follows: |
| 10:30.40 | wuffi600 | Is there a rule at what time of the day scripts in /etc/cron.daily are executed? Is the order the script be run the same as "ls -A1 /etc/cron.daily/"? |
| 10:30.46 | tarzeau | heroxbd: yes, it's the same one like for pc. i don't know of anyone being able to boot usb, only cd |
| 10:30.59 | tarzeau | heroxbd: i boot my own livecd.gnustep.org on the imacs here |
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| 10:31.30 | si-p | is rsync the best way to mirror 2 external usb backup disk drives? |
| 10:31.57 | tarzeau | si-p: that's what i use |
| 10:31.57 | gunkamanti | si-p: that's what i'm doing at least :) |
| 10:32.07 | gunkamanti | (i use grsync to be exact) |
| 10:32.22 | tarzeau | because when you have 2 tb and more, it sucks when aborted to start from scratch |
| 10:32.31 | gunkamanti | i wished there was a system that recognized when files were moved/renamed though. |
| 10:32.36 | si-p | tarzeau,gunkamanti :thanks |
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| 10:32.49 | heroxbd | tarzeau: The same? any i386 liveCd can boot on a intel iMac? |
| 10:32.53 | catsup | wuffi600: yeah they're run when the system crontab is configured to run them; see /etc/crontab |
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| 10:33.05 | tarzeau | heroxbd: no, it must be recent enough (the linux kernel) |
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| 10:33.15 | tarzeau | heroxbd: i tried with mac minis, but they're intel macs too |
| 10:34.17 | gunkamanti | right now, when i move a folder of say 10 gigs to another place on disk a, it gets deleted on disk b and re-copied, which sucks a bit. |
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| 10:35.04 | gunkamanti | and you don't even try to rename a 600gig-folder ... |
| 10:35.10 | catsup | haha |
| 10:35.23 | catsup | yes gunkamanti that would be a good feature for rsync |
| 10:35.42 | catsup | it wouldn't be so hard |
| 10:35.44 | catsup | to implement |
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| 10:36.09 | gunkamanti | and i can't use a traditional version control system, because i don't want to keep all the old trash in the repo |
| 10:36.33 | gunkamanti | catsup: so who do i have to nag/mop in order to get this feature? :) |
| 10:36.39 | gunkamanti | er, mob |
| 10:36.49 | catsup | it might exist in some other software |
| 10:36.54 | catsup | perhaps unison |
| 10:36.58 | catsup | i'm not aware of any |
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| 10:37.27 | catsup | i don't think you will get any help just by nagging, maybe you could file a wishlist bug report |
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| 10:38.20 | heroxbd | tarzeau: I see. Any hope of customizing a liveCD using DebLive for iMac? |
| 10:38.36 | tarzeau | heroxbd: sure, there's live-helper |
| 10:38.50 | tarzeau | heroxbd: there's even a channel for it, and nice documentations, check wiki.d.o |
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| 10:39.55 | catsup | oh wait |
| 10:40.00 | catsup | gunkamanti: it looks like it has this feature |
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| 10:40.26 | Parimal | if we've missed any option while compiling from source code, is there anyway by which we can enable/disable option without recompiling from source code? |
| 10:40.45 | catsup | gunkamanti: oh, no, but see this: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2006-September/016340.html |
| 10:40.51 | catsup | Parimal: no |
| 10:40.59 | Parimal | thanks.. :) |
| 10:41.05 | wuffi600 | catsup, thank you |
| 10:41.18 | heroxbd | tarzeau: alright, Thank U |
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| 10:42.53 | ret | anyone know the dpkg thing to use for the iced tea java webstart thing? |
| 10:43.19 | gunkamanti | catsup: it would probably have to create a database of all checksums, together with timestamp, which sounds practicable. |
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| 10:44.22 | catsup | gunkamanti: rsync already does that |
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| 10:45.02 | catsup | gunkamanti: it would just have to use that information to search deleted/added files for renames |
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| 10:47.33 | joaopinto | hello, where do I get unstable cd/netinstall from ? The "Get Debian" only shows me "stable" links. |
| 10:47.40 | xhairball | catsup: I use unison for backing up. It will notice when a file has already been downloaded but moved. It mentions it makes a local copy instead of downloading log files that are just renames. |
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| 10:48.29 | catsup | ok cool |
| 10:48.34 | catsup | gunkamanti: see what xhairball says |
| 10:49.31 | themill | dpkg: tell joaopinto about install sid |
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| 10:50.29 | amee2k | mmm what was that other key combo to kill X besides alt+ctrl+backspace ? |
| 10:50.33 | wuffi600 | where can i find the file that's timestamp shows the last run of cron.daily? (e.g. /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.daily on some other OSs) |
| 10:51.18 | joaopinto | themill, is there something else you call tell me about apart fromt he unfriendly bot answer which does not answer my question ? |
| 10:52.24 | amee2k | joaopinto: i think that is considered customer support here. quite a fetish apparently, just like in #java (just that they prefer to let the bot :X the factoid in the chan= |
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| 10:52.39 | themill | joaopinto: the bot did answer your question -- there are no iso images to install sid. |
| 10:53.12 | amee2k | if you're lucky, five or more people will trigger the factoid at once to make for a flashy highlight disco |
| 10:53.21 | joaopinto | themill, it answers that I need -testing, which is not listed at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst either |
| 10:53.38 | themill | joaopinto: the other point dpkg was making is quite important here -- if you can't work that out for yourself, how are you going to work out the rest of the problems that sid throws you? #debian does not have the resources to support sid users who can't even work out how to use google to get an installer image. |
| 10:53.46 | joaopinto | amee2k, If I wanted to be treated like a customer I would go to a store :) |
| 10:54.11 | et | amee2k: there is the sysrq stuff |
| 10:54.15 | joaopinto | themill, I am working it out by myself, asking you, to save some time just to identify an install source |
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| 10:54.29 | catsup | joaopinto: you might try grml |
| 10:54.48 | catsup | official debian, no |
| 10:55.26 | catsup | lol @ <amee2k> if you're lucky, ... |
| 10:55.42 | joaopinto | catsup, I am looking for debian, not a derivate, thanks |
| 10:55.45 | themill | The chances of sid actually being installable on any given day are quite low. There's little point in trying. |
| 10:55.50 | amee2k | well, yes... |
| 10:55.56 | catsup | joaopinto: grml actually pulls from the debian unstable sources though |
| 10:56.02 | amee2k | i think they only do that if they really like you tho |
| 10:56.06 | joaopinto | themill, I don't want to run sid per si, I would like to work on some packages |
| 10:57.13 | macrobat | amee2k: maybe you can use this to kill X (and other stuff) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 10:57.13 | joaopinto | I don't like to push package changes I can't test |
| 10:57.13 | themill | joaopinto: then you probably just want a chroot to work in. debootstrap with a cowbuilder/pbuilder is the preferred way of working. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 10:57.15 | gunkamanti | xhairball: the unison site says it's no longer developed? :( |
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| 10:57.27 | themill | joaopinto: and if they are graphical apps, then you can either forward your xauth into the cowbuilder or use schroot for it. |
| 10:57.34 | catsup | joaopinto: you can also compile the unstable package sources for stable |
| 10:57.35 | joaopinto | themill, I am familiar with debootstrap, still I would prefer a VM, there are certain limitations with debootstrap for some test scenarios |
| 10:58.06 | joaopinto | catsup, right, and all the libraries that I might need |
| 10:58.21 | joaopinto | brb |
| 10:58.36 | amee2k | wow. thanks macrobat :) |
| 10:58.57 | amee2k | even though Fn+Alt+PrintScr+k is mildly awkward... |
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| 11:00.06 | macrobat | i read bout some new netbook that restored windows for you if you pressed F9. anyone want that level of convinience? |
| 11:00.52 | catsup | i have a computer that has a pizza button |
| 11:01.13 | catsup | that's the level of convenience i want |
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| 11:01.32 | tadej_ | hello |
| 11:01.39 | tadej_ | I have RAID related problem |
| 11:01.50 | tadej_ | Im installing debian on RAID5 |
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| 11:02.02 | tadej_ | and now GRUB wont install.. |
| 11:02.09 | tadej_ | any idea whats wrong? |
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| 11:02.52 | catsup | grub never installs |
| 11:03.01 | petemc | does grub support raid 5 ? |
| 11:03.09 | catsup | no |
| 11:03.25 | tadej_ | how do I boot than? |
| 11:03.26 | catsup | nothing supports raid5 |
| 11:03.33 | petemc | grub2 might |
| 11:03.36 | catsup | you need a non-raid5 boot partition |
| 11:03.56 | tadej_ | could it work from floppy? |
| 11:03.58 | catsup | petemc: i reeaaaally doubt it, althuogh i can't say for sure |
| 11:04.11 | catsup | tadej_: are you serious? that is no way to boot your system |
| 11:04.12 | radoe | tadej_: create a separate /boot outside of your raid5 |
| 11:04.37 | catsup | anyway, not really: a floppy isn't big enough anymore |
| 11:04.40 | tadej_ | radoe: so I have to redo all again? |
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| 11:04.56 | catsup | tadej_: you have no boot partition? debian's installer let you do that?? |
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| 11:05.16 | tadej_ | catsup: I have it on / partition taht is on RAID5 |
| 11:05.29 | catsup | it's ok for your / partition to be raid5 if you have a /boot partition that's not |
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| 11:05.51 | tadej_ | ok I see |
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| 11:06.39 | tadej_ | but how do I make it on every disk? |
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| 11:06.52 | catsup | well tadej_ what i do myself is use raid1 for /boot |
| 11:07.17 | tadej_ | so If one disk dies my system on raid5 still works, but it wont boot... |
| 11:07.22 | catsup | and raid5 for an lvm to hold other partitions |
| 11:07.39 | catsup | no it will still boot |
| 11:07.51 | catsup | it will boot as long as any 1 drive remains |
| 11:08.05 | tadej_ | so /boot has to be on all 5 drives? |
| 11:08.12 | catsup | no it does not have to be |
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| 11:08.29 | tadej_ | ok tell me another thing please |
| 11:08.33 | catsup | however that is what i do, and what i would recommend, since disk space is cheap, and it simplifies everything |
| 11:08.37 | tadej_ | I have 5 disks |
| 11:08.40 | tadej_ | 1TB |
| 11:08.48 | tadej_ | and raid 5 is 4 + spare |
| 11:08.53 | catsup | your /boot partition is only perhaps 100MB |
| 11:08.58 | odb|fidel | hi - i am having a weird issue right now. I'Ve added a cronjob from a root-account using crontab -e. The cronjob is: 00 13 * * * /sbin/shutdown -h now |
| 11:09.10 | tadej_ | can I make /boot on one disk and still use it in RAID5 with other 4 disks? |
| 11:09.15 | odb|fidel | the interesting part is: script/cronjob seems to be ignored |
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| 11:09.31 | odb|fidel | any ideas on that issue ? |
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| 11:09.35 | catsup | yes, but your RAID5 cannot be bigger than it would if you used RAID1 and put /boot on all disks |
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| 11:09.55 | tadej_ | ok |
| 11:09.57 | tadej_ | thank oyu |
| 11:09.58 | tadej_ | you |
| 11:10.02 | catsup | you wuold need a separate RAID5 with 3 disks instead of 4, for that. and then you would need to combine the two RAID5 arrays |
| 11:10.17 | catsup | it's silly to do all that for 400MB, and you want redundancy on your /boot anyway |
| 11:10.20 | mesa_booger | raid5. hehe. it's amazing how many people still use radi5 |
| 11:10.35 | catsup | why do you say 'still' |
| 11:10.58 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: did you check user with crontab -l |
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| 11:11.05 | odb|fidel | flokuehn: yes |
| 11:11.13 | odb|fidel | cron is listed as entered & expected |
| 11:11.19 | tadej_ | cat so Ill make /boot (100MB) on all disks and use other space for raid5? |
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| 11:11.37 | tadej_ | catsup: ? |
| 11:11.37 | odb|fidel | i tried even a simple bash shutdown script which was launched using cron |
| 11:11.42 | catsup | tadej_: yes. but let me warn you, i don't know if grub can work like this. i use lilo |
| 11:11.56 | tadej_ | but lilo does? |
| 11:12.00 | catsup | yes lilo does |
| 11:12.37 | mesa_booger | catsup: because it has been categorically refuted in almost every usage scenario. but don't take my word for it, ask cary millsap, one of the pioneers of raid |
| 11:12.43 | tadej_ | but lilo needs /dev/sdX input |
| 11:12.44 | catsup | you just tell lilo to install onto /dev/md0 and it does what you tell it. unlike grub, which does what it wants to do |
| 11:12.52 | petemc | grub does raid1 |
| 11:12.57 | catsup | ok grub does raid1 |
| 11:13.10 | tadej_ | catsup: but I tried lilo and it doesnt work with raid5 |
| 11:13.30 | catsup | is biased against grub |
| 11:13.30 | catsup | nothing works with raid5 tadej_ |
| 11:13.31 | catsup | [except maybe grub2, although probably not] |
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| 11:13.48 | tadej_ | so I just tell lilo to use /dev/md0 and It will find /boot partition on it? |
| 11:13.53 | catsup | mesa_booger: um |
| 11:14.04 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: thats weird then. |
| 11:14.06 | tadej_ | or to I input /dev/sda1 |
| 11:14.16 | odb|fidel | flokuehn: yes |
| 11:14.22 | catsup | mesa_booger: categorically refuted?? it gives you more useful disk space, of course |
| 11:14.24 | tadej_ | or do I input /dev/sda1 |
| 11:14.33 | catsup | that's the 'usage scenario' |
| 11:14.57 | catsup | if you want to maximize useful disk space you use raid5 |
| 11:15.20 | mesa_booger | catsup: depending on the precise value of "useful" |
| 11:15.27 | catsup | umm |
| 11:15.28 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: the beginning 00 is just because of copy and paste? |
| 11:15.28 | catsup | allocatable |
| 11:15.32 | catsup | to a filesystem |
| 11:15.36 | catsup | that's what i mean by 'useful' |
| 11:15.52 | si-p | [ 3503.261985] Buffer I/O error on device md0, logical block 520 |
| 11:16.04 | mesa_booger | catsup: i'm not going to argue with you. you have your quaint view, and i defend your right to hold it |
| 11:16.11 | catsup | lol |
| 11:16.18 | odb|fidel | flokuehn: no it was a test as 0 didnât work ;) |
| 11:16.19 | catsup | mesa_booger: it's a simple tradeoff, ok |
| 11:16.27 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: ah ok |
| 11:16.38 | catsup | mesa_booger: there's no correct values |
| 11:16.45 | flokuehn | because 00 is wrong. you have to use only one |
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| 11:17.01 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: you can also check man 5 crontab |
| 11:17.32 | mesa_booger | catsup: my contention, and that of the leading experts in the field, is that raid5 is the worst possible raid scenario, for reasons that are far too numerous to go into here |
| 11:17.38 | catsup | mesa_booger: there's no 'correct' raid algorithm; if you have a certain number of disks and a certain amount of data, raid5 may be the only possible option |
| 11:18.00 | catsup | mesa_booger: on the other hand, if you have certain performance requirements, raid5 may be impossible also |
| 11:18.11 | catsup | mesa_booger: it's a questino of what your needs are, that is all |
| 11:21.40 | catsup | and let me tell you: i certainly wouldn't care if 'leading experts' said i should delete my data in order to avoid using raid5. what do they know about my data and whether i should delete it? |
| 11:21.46 | catsup | let them delete their ownd ata |
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| 11:23.39 | mesa_booger | by leading experts i mean the people who wrote the papers on raid. the people that _invented_ it |
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| 11:25.30 | catsup | lol |
| 11:26.13 | tadej_ | catsup: do I make /boot partition on all 5 drives or just one and leave empty partition on other four? |
| 11:26.19 | catsup | read what i said. i have 'categorically refuted' what you claim 'leading experts' say |
| 11:26.30 | rdz | hi all. i am using authenticated keys for automatic ssh logins from my laptop to different boxes.. now, what is a recommended way to secure those keys, in case of the laptop getting stolen? |
| 11:26.31 | Parimal | catsup - compiling squid again from source code resolved the issue of transparent proxy.. Thank you.... :) |
| 11:27.52 | mesa_booger | catsup: you're a dinosaur. the UN should declare you an endangered species :) |
| 11:27.54 | catsup | mesa_booger: what you don't understand is how rude and privileged what you're saying is |
| 11:28.11 | catsup | mesa_booger: it's like saying "buy more disks" and if youc an't afford them, you're stupid, your'e not listening to the experts, who recommend having morem oney |
| 11:28.42 | catsup | oh how your poverty is so quaint |
| 11:28.44 | mesa_booger | catsup: you're just being ridciulous now. i didn't say that. but hey, if it makes you feel better ... |
| 11:28.51 | catsup | with your meagre 3 disks |
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| 11:29.00 | catsup | the experts recommend 4! |
| 11:29.12 | catsup | that is exactly what you said, mesa_booger |
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| 11:29.24 | catsup | however you don't even understand what you are saying. you are repeating something your ead on a web page without understanding it |
| 11:29.37 | jelly-home | since when is general raid discussion topical in here? |
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| 11:30.28 | catsup | rdz: by encrypting the laptop's root fs with a password |
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| 11:30.55 | catsup | rdz: also password-protecting resume from hibernation |
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| 11:31.49 | tadej_ | catsup: any idea? |
| 11:31.57 | catsup | tadej_: what is your situation, do you have no free space for a /boot ? |
| 11:32.06 | tadej_ | catsup: I made it |
| 11:32.08 | catsup | oh ok |
| 11:32.22 | tadej_ | catsup: I just dont know If I have to put /boot on all 5 disks |
| 11:32.48 | catsup | you don't *have* to, however i think you might as well [you can always go back later even] |
| 11:32.48 | jelly-home | tadej_: if you're already using md raid, you can a) make that /boot a md raid1 (mirror) over at least two devices (all five won't hurt), and b) install the boot loader on at least first two devices |
| 11:32.48 | tadej_ | /boot + RAID5 (swap + system + data) |
| 11:32.53 | Kinyua | am trying to install vlc on lenny dep keeps tellin me i cant |
| 11:32.57 | Kinyua | any help |
| 11:33.02 | Piliman | hi!!! |
| 11:33.09 | rdz | catsup, but the second won't help, since you can easily access all files by dissassembling the harddrive, right? |
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| 11:33.30 | tadej_ | jelly-home: grub will work on RAID1 |
| 11:33.35 | tadej_ | 100%? |
| 11:33.37 | catsup | rdz: no, the files are encrypted |
| 11:34.10 | rdz | catsup, you meant: do both, not: either or? |
| 11:34.18 | catsup | rdz: you need the password on hibernation resume because when you boot up, you type in the password, so that the decryption key for the filesystem is stored in memory. hibernation saves the memory, but it can encrypt that memory, so that you need a password to resume |
| 11:34.31 | catsup | rdz: you need to do both, or else you won't be safe if someone gets your laptopw hile it's hibernated |
| 11:34.36 | rdz | catsup, got it. thakns |
| 11:34.43 | rdz | gotcha |
| 11:34.47 | radoe | Kinyua: what exactly are you doing and what are the errors you get? |
| 11:34.48 | jelly-home | tadej_: grub-legacy doesn't know about raid1. You have to install it manually on second, etc. device. grub2 might be better in this regards, I haven't checked. |
| 11:34.59 | catsup | you still have to worry about someone getting your laptop while it's powered up |
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| 11:35.40 | catsup | for that you can secure your console, use a locking screensaver. that's about as good as it gets in software. |
| 11:36.09 | catsup | tadej_: if you use lilo, you can just intall on the /dev/md? device |
| 11:36.45 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: did you make it? is it running now? |
| 11:36.57 | Kinyua | unmet dep vlc-nox libavcodec51 and libvlc0 |
| 11:36.58 | odb|fidel | flokuehn: no looks like my entire cron is ignored |
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| 11:37.06 | jelly-home | Kinyua: please pastebin the command and complete output of the command you're running. |
| 11:37.09 | tadej_ | catsup, jelly-home tahnk you for help |
| 11:37.11 | odb|fidel | i've added a simple cron using touch to create a dtestfile |
| 11:37.19 | odb|fidel | and the file is not created |
| 11:37.41 | jelly-home | Kinyua: also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 11:41.18 | Kinyua | http://pastebin.com/m67a8fa5c |
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| 11:46.01 | Krauser | Hi i need advice on setting up a particular cron job. I have a server and there are many users. I want to tasket/ change processsor affinity of each user's particular process starting with either hlds_run and/or srcds_run. Please advice |
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| 11:47.35 | joaopinto | so, to summarize, to install sid the options are, debootstrap or upgrade from lenny, right ? |
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| 11:48.52 | Kinyua | ohh i had pinned some apps when i installed vlc 0.8.6 let me check that up |
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| 11:51.36 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: sounds strange |
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| 11:53.14 | odb|fidel | flokuehn: solved it |
| 11:53.34 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: how? |
| 11:53.40 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: what was the matter? |
| 11:53.45 | odb|fidel | somehow the other guy using that server seems to prefer uschedule and i was braindead enough to assume its cron |
| 11:53.50 | odb|fidel | pretty stupid |
| 11:53.51 | Krauser | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.29 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: heh. ok |
| 11:54.37 | flokuehn | odb|fidel: happens! |
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| 12:08.56 | si-p | catsup: you still around? |
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| 12:14.44 | Anonymous | # Appears as TIKI |
| 12:15.04 | Krauser | !paste |
| 12:15.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:15.24 | Anonymous | SOUND Flourish.mid |
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| 12:19.06 | Galnyerus | who speak spanish????? |
| 12:19.27 | adb | !es |
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| 12:19.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:19.33 | JordiGH | So GNU/kFreeBSD will be release-ready? |
| 12:19.44 | lbkxbx | Hi, i'm using a netinstall cd to install lenny, but how do i install only a base system without the gnome task? |
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| 12:20.07 | JordiGH | lbkxbx: Just don't choose a desktop component when offered one. |
| 12:20.38 | lbkxbx | JordiGH: thanks, didn't know that, hehe |
| 12:20.40 | Galnyerus | well, i joined at #debian-es but they not respond my question |
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| 12:21.49 | n215 | when I do apt-get update or install it takes too long connecting security.debian.org |
| 12:21.51 | n215 | any ideas? |
| 12:22.09 | n215 | hangs on 99 for couple minutes and stuff |
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| 12:30.27 | Krauser | HELP REGARDING CRONJOB !!! :::----->>>> http://paste.debian.net/48534/ |
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| 12:34.14 | adb | Krauser, try #bash also |
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| 12:34.31 | Krauser | adb, what do you mean ? |
| 12:34.33 | hanibana | hey friends |
| 12:34.38 | Krauser | adb, could you explain a little more |
| 12:34.44 | hanibana | I want to find all pages that refer to a specific URL ( a linux-related one! ;) ) in the Internet. Can I do it with google? |
| 12:34.45 | Krauser | adb, i m not familiar with bash |
| 12:35.34 | adb | maybe need a bash script to do that .. so ask in #bash channel too |
| 12:36.10 | Krauser | ok adb |
| 12:36.12 | Krauser | there i go |
| 12:36.16 | hanibana | Krauser: what do you want to do? |
| 12:36.44 | JordiGH | hanibana: Uh, yes, but why are you asking #debian? |
| 12:37.01 | JordiGH | Also, c'mon, isn't anyone excited about GNU/kFreeBSD? |
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| 12:37.23 | hanibana | sorry but I'm used to this channel :) I like it |
| 12:37.35 | JordiGH | hanibana: That's nice, but it's offtopic. |
| 12:37.43 | cydork | JordiGH: yes i am :) |
| 12:37.56 | JordiGH | cydork: Ah, good. I thought I was the only one. |
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| 12:38.29 | hanibana | JordiGH: you're right... any way, has google any keyword for it? |
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| 12:39.16 | steve_j | heya folks |
| 12:39.21 | JordiGH | hanibana: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/reeality/archive/2004/strips/2004/reeality141.jpg |
| 12:40.11 | steve_j | am developing an app (django, tho irrelevant) on a local machine, running on a local server on port 8001, i'm trying to set up a reverse ssh tunnel from a Lenny-powered server, but its not working |
| 12:40.52 | steve_j | does this look rgiht? ssh -nNT -R 8001:127.0.0.1:8001 foo.bar.co.uk |
| 12:41.03 | JordiGH | steve_j: If you just casually fail to mention that you're using Linux, #openbsd is often a good place to ask about ssh. |
| 12:41.15 | ranix | what? |
| 12:41.17 | ranix | wtf JordiGH |
| 12:41.19 | hanibana | JordiGH: haha.... thanks. but, i didn't find my answer at google. but, I'll try again. |
| 12:41.30 | hanibana | bye. |
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| 12:41.34 | JordiGH | ranix: wtf lol kthx |
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| 12:42.36 | themill | JordiGH: that's about as amusing as ubuntu people coming in here and hoping that we'll help them fix problems with ubuntu packaging. |
| 12:42.39 | valdyn | steve_j: foo.bar.co.uk is the same host as 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:42.50 | Shtl | is it possible to turn on the remote system in LAN by some means, when the power input is present??? |
| 12:43.07 | JordiGH | themill: Eh, Linux seldom interferes with ssh... unless steve_j has weird iptables going on. |
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| 12:43.21 | steve_j | valdyn oh? really? dammit |
| 12:43.22 | petemc | Shtl: if it supports wake on lan |
| 12:43.22 | ranix | steve_j: that's forwarding requests from the remote machine to the local machine |
| 12:43.27 | ranix | steve_j: if that's what you're after it looks good |
| 12:43.43 | steve_j | JordiGH yeah, i was wondering if lenny had some default iptables harshness :) |
| 12:43.45 | themill | JordiGH: it's dishonest though. |
| 12:43.47 | valdyn | steve_j: youre creating a tunnel *from* the remote host to whatever is 127.0.0.1 *from* the remote host |
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| 12:44.10 | JordiGH | themill: It's Machiavellian. |
| 12:44.15 | Shtl | petemc: ok, if it supports WOL, how to do it?? |
| 12:44.16 | steve_j | ranix yeah - i want to get requests to foo.bar.co.uk:8001 to hit 127.0.0.1:8001 |
| 12:44.18 | themill | valdyn: you sure? the connection is made from "local" to "host" |
| 12:44.25 | valdyn | themill: -R |
| 12:44.29 | themill | valdyn: yes |
| 12:44.29 | steve_j | valdyn ahhhh, i seee |
| 12:44.32 | petemc | Shtl: you read up on how wake on lan works |
| 12:44.54 | Shtl | ok thanks |
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| 12:45.08 | ranix | oh I thought he was using 127.0.0.1 as a placeholder |
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| 12:45.20 | jogla | Hello |
| 12:45.42 | jogla | I'm looking for a iptables configuration tool for gnome |
| 12:45.58 | amee2k | how does it come that i can't log out or shut the box down from X? in gnome the buttons on the panel are greyed out |
| 12:46.01 | ranix | steve_j: if I am at unetixs.com and I want to forward from homelinux.net, I would do ssh -nNT -R 1100:unetixs.com:1100 homelinux.net |
| 12:46.02 | valdyn | steve_j: maybe you really want to use a -L tunnel |
| 12:46.05 | JordiGH | jogla: Google suggests Lokkit. |
| 12:46.29 | steve_j | thanks ranix and valdyn |
| 12:46.45 | JordiGH | amee2k: From the desktop manager or from the desktop environment? |
| 12:47.07 | amee2k | from the DE when i'm logged in as my regular user |
| 12:47.15 | amee2k | (i.e. non-privileged) |
| 12:47.23 | JordiGH | amee2k: Can the DM do it, though? |
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| 12:47.53 | jogla | JordiGH: Yeah, i know |
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| 12:48.05 | JordiGH | amee2k: You have to have good integration between the DM and the DE (exactly what, I don't know, but I know that gdm by default will not let KDE shut down the computer and kdm won't let Gnome either). |
| 12:48.07 | steve_j | hmm |
| 12:48.11 | steve_j | its getting stopped somewhere |
| 12:48.41 | themill | steve_j: how are you testing this? are you trying to connect to localhost on the remote machine or are you trying to connect to the public ip? |
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| 12:49.07 | steve_j | am hitting foo.bar.co.uk:8001 |
| 12:49.15 | steve_j | which is churning but not resolving |
| 12:49.19 | steve_j | maybe i need a -g in there too |
| 12:49.21 | amee2k | JordiGH: gdm can restart the box from the actions menu |
| 12:49.51 | amee2k | but i even have to kill my x session from the terminal to log out since the buttons are greyed out |
| 12:49.51 | themill | steve_j: by default -R doesn't bind to the remote machine's public IP, only to localhost (check with netstat) |
| 12:49.51 | JordiGH | amee2k: And you're not running Gnome? |
| 12:49.58 | amee2k | i am |
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| 12:50.19 | steve_j | themill ahhhh |
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| 12:50.47 | amee2k | * running gnome that is. i have the buttons for logout and shutdown/reboot in my panel |
| 12:51.18 | themill | steve_j: there are some details in man ssh. You may also need to change the GatewayPorts config option on the remote sshd |
| 12:51.35 | valdyn | amee2k: the log out button is greyed? |
| 12:51.43 | amee2k | yeah |
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| 12:51.48 | amee2k | annoyingly that one too |
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| 12:51.58 | imachine | hey |
| 12:52.03 | amee2k | killall x-session-manager will log me out anyway however |
| 12:52.06 | imachine | what's the best way to run debian inside of debian/ |
| 12:52.07 | steve_j | themill AH! thats it. i remember doing that on the old box but not the new one! |
| 12:52.12 | imachine | sort of like virtual machine |
| 12:52.15 | valdyn | imachine: theres no best way |
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| 12:52.18 | imachine | any ideas? |
| 12:52.20 | imachine | ? :)) hehe |
| 12:52.25 | imachine | well I want to separate my services |
| 12:52.31 | imachine | into separate "sandbox" |
| 12:52.36 | valdyn | imachine: theres no unique way to seperate services |
| 12:52.40 | imachine | ideally separate machines |
| 12:52.44 | imachine | so I can sell hosting services |
| 12:52.46 | imachine | with root access |
| 12:52.47 | valdyn | imachine: so buy 2 machines then |
| 12:52.49 | imachine | in virtal boxes ;p |
| 12:52.51 | valdyn | oo |
| 12:52.59 | imachine | yea |
| 12:53.01 | valdyn | !virtualisation |
| 12:53.01 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <mol>, <openvz>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>. |
| 12:53.03 | imachine | it's a fast enough box |
| 12:53.04 | imachine | :) |
| 12:53.05 | imachine | ok |
| 12:53.16 | imachine | I was thinking xen or vserver |
| 12:53.21 | imachine | any other ideas? |
| 12:53.22 | kr_217 | hello,anybody know about crosstool-ng |
| 12:53.28 | valdyn | imachine: dpkg lists a dozen |
| 12:53.34 | imachine | it's all going to be debian in debian |
| 12:53.35 | imachine | yea but |
| 12:53.37 | imachine | ;) |
| 12:53.39 | JordiGH | Is there a free virtualisation thing? |
| 12:53.45 | imachine | I'd like to hear about it too :P |
| 12:53.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: lots |
| 12:53.51 | imachine | JordiGH, yea many |
| 12:53.55 | amee2k | yeah |
| 12:53.57 | imachine | you can have a FreeBSD host biox |
| 12:54.00 | JordiGH | Oh, I thought both xen and vmware were non-free. |
| 12:54.04 | imachine | and share it with linux |
| 12:54.05 | imachine | ;) |
| 12:54.05 | amee2k | even i could think of a a good number of them |
| 12:54.17 | imachine | JordiGH, vmware is a different story |
| 12:54.25 | amee2k | JordiGH: vmware server is free. ws isn't. both are closed source iirc |
| 12:54.25 | imachine | I never said vmware ;p |
| 12:54.29 | valdyn | JordiGH: vbox-ose, qemu,kvm, xen are free |
| 12:54.35 | imachine | besdie vmware is free in reader. |
| 12:54.37 | imachine | player |
| 12:54.40 | amee2k | i have made reasonable results with virtualbox for desktop use so far |
| 12:54.41 | pngwn | !enter |
| 12:54.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:54.48 | JordiGH | amee2k: Huh? We are in #debian. Only one kind of free matters here. |
| 12:54.48 | amee2k | not that i'm using it heavily |
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| 12:55.01 | JordiGH | amee2k: The server part of wmware is free? |
| 12:55.05 | valdyn | imachine: maybe you want to use that tiny virtualisation layer lguest |
| 12:55.10 | amee2k | JordiGH: thats why i mentioned that it isn't ;) |
| 12:55.21 | valdyn | imachine: lguest is for linux only |
| 12:55.24 | JordiGH | amee2k: Okay, so neither is free. |
| 12:55.44 | imachine | valdyn, I had been on a box once |
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| 12:55.47 | imachine | it was great |
| 12:55.50 | JordiGH | valdyn: I thought kvm was just a kernel module.. does it have userspace things to help virtualisation? |
| 12:55.53 | imachine | now Im on a different one |
| 12:55.54 | imachine | it sucks |
| 12:55.55 | imachine | :P |
| 12:55.56 | imachine | :D |
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| 12:55.56 | amee2k | JordiGH: as in both vmware? no, they are not free. |
| 12:56.11 | valdyn | JordiGH: "just" is the wrong word |
| 12:56.21 | valdyn | JordiGH: it uses a fork of qemu |
| 12:56.34 | JordiGH | valdyn: Question is, I'm going to need more than kvm to virtualise comfortably, right? |
| 12:56.41 | valdyn | JordiGH: no |
| 12:56.50 | valdyn | JordiGH: kvm is the name of the qemu fork |
| 12:56.59 | valdyn | JordiGH: kvm is also the name of the kernel module |
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| 12:57.19 | valdyn | JordiGH: you need a cpu with hardware support for virtualisation |
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| 12:57.27 | imachine | sorry |
| 12:57.32 | JordiGH | valdyn: Hmmm... this month's Linux journal had stuff on kvm. I guess I can start reading there. |
| 12:57.39 | guaka | hi, I have this ancient box running woody, and I would like to install some packages, from woody... how to find out what to put in my sources.list? |
| 12:57.45 | JordiGH | valdyn: Uh-oh.. Pentium 4. probably doesn't have it, eh? |
| 12:57.53 | valdyn | JordiGH: redhat is moving to kvm, so its certainly not bad |
| 12:57.57 | JordiGH | guaka: archive.debian.org or something. |
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| 12:58.23 | valdyn | JordiGH: probably not |
| 12:58.37 | valdyn | !hyper-v |
| 12:58.37 | dpkg | somebody said hyper-v was a non-free system virtualization product from Microsoft. It is not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is available at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 12:58.44 | valdyn | ah, pff |
| 12:58.51 | JordiGH | Who said anything about hyperv? |
| 12:58.58 | valdyn | JordiGH: dpkg |
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| 12:59.37 | JordiGH | I might just run Excel in Wine... gotta benchmark our homebrewed .xls with the "standard". |
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| 13:00.19 | guaka | JordiGH, looks good, but I'm getting (111 Connection refused) from archive.debian.org :/ |
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| 13:01.03 | JordiGH | guaka: I'm not sure archive.debian.org can be used with apt. |
| 13:01.12 | valdyn | http://archive.debian.org/ works for me |
| 13:01.22 | adb | guaka, here too |
| 13:01.24 | valdyn | it can |
| 13:01.52 | JordiGH | Also, update your woody. |
| 13:01.56 | JordiGH | Suck it up. |
| 13:01.58 | JordiGH | DO IT. |
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| 13:02.39 | adb | JordiGH, nah , woody is very fast on old pc .. |
| 13:02.47 | JordiGH | adb: So is lenny. |
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| 13:02.51 | guaka | JordiGH, it's a firewall machine working mostly fine for an office of 20 people, I just want to set up openvpn or some other way to connect from the outside, I'd rather keep woody on there |
| 13:03.09 | guaka | ..until I find a weekend to do the upgrade |
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| 13:05.38 | Fogel | hello |
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| 13:05.47 | JordiGH | !hi |
| 13:05.48 | dpkg | hello, jordigh |
| 13:05.54 | JordiGH | What not me. |
| 13:05.56 | JordiGH | !greet Fogel |
| 13:05.56 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Fogel |
| 13:06.09 | silidan | hi, im searching for a package that allows me to compile c/c++ code for an arm microprocessor (did that with winarm on win, now here on debian... what can i use?) |
| 13:06.23 | JordiGH | silidan: gcc. |
| 13:06.28 | Fogel | i need to list all installed packages in system, from the biggest to the smallest, how can i do that? |
| 13:06.33 | silidan | so i dont need nothing extra? |
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| 13:06.48 | JordiGH | silidan: Well, you need a gcc package for cross compiling. I'm looking for one... |
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| 13:09.32 | silidan | JordiGH: i searched synaptic it seems there is only a gcc-avr, but no gcc-arm... (dunno i remember doing this on ubuntu 8.04 some time ago... i think there was an gcc-arm packages... cant realy remember how i actually got it working there...) |
| 13:10.03 | JordiGH | Huh, do we really not have a gcc-arm package? |
| 13:10.04 | AlinaM | Hi! I have a MacBook (2006) and few days ago I installed on it Debian Lenny without problems. Yesterday I updated to Squeeze and simply failed to start X. I don't know what happens (I had the same experience after updating to Fedora Leonidas). Somenone could help me? |
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| 13:10.21 | JordiGH | That's kinda odd, seeing how excited everyone was about getting the arm architecture into Debian. |
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| 13:11.37 | JordiGH | silidan: This is really old, but it's probably still accurate. Looks like you have to create your own cross-compiling gcc: http://handhelds.org/~pb/deb-toolchain.html |
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| 13:11.49 | silidan | damn.... |
| 13:12.06 | silidan | tought debian is the distro with the largest package collection... |
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| 13:12.30 | JordiGH | silidan: It is, but it doesn't compile every package every which way. |
| 13:12.39 | JordiGH | silidan: It's still gcc, it just has to be compiled for arm. |
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| 13:13.05 | JordiGH | Ah, that thing I linked isn't going to work. There is no gcc-arm-linux package anymore. |
| 13:13.17 | guaka | I found a working archive at debian.org/distrib/archive.html :) |
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| 13:14.57 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 13:15.53 | aprendiz001 | I am doing a script that receives the params --warning=1,2,3 --critical=4,5,6 but I have errors with getops |
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| 13:16.28 | aprendiz001 | http://pastebin.com/m5d1ab704 |
| 13:16.32 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 13:16.50 | rvsjoen | would you like to share the errors ? |
| 13:16.54 | markit | debian sid 64, KDE, I've upgraded from 4.3.1 to 4.3.2, now if I use drag and drop in 2 panels dolphin, very often when I release the mouse I have a 10 seconds "froze" before the menu "copy / move / abort" appears. Is n issue you can confirm? |
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| 13:17.01 | JordiGH | silidan: Looks like emdebian is the way of the future. |
| 13:17.07 | JordiGH | silidan: http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crossdev.html |
| 13:17.31 | adb | !emdebian |
| 13:17.31 | dpkg | [emdebian] a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:18.02 | aprendiz001 | the errors: ./check_load: line 56: getopts: -w: invalid option |
| 13:18.02 | aprendiz001 | getopts: usage: getopts optstring name [arg] |
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| 13:18.26 | ranix | the emdebian repositories carry all the arm/mips cross compilers these days |
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| 13:18.41 | radoe | aprendiz001: bash builtin getopts does not support long options. |
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| 13:19.03 | lolmaus^_^ | I've edited the /etc/network/interfaces file. How do i make OS make use of changes? |
| 13:19.11 | ranix | lolmaus^_^: ifdown/ifup |
| 13:19.23 | rvsjoen | aprendiz001: does getopts even do long options ? |
| 13:19.30 | rvsjoen | aprendiz001: I dont know, just asking |
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| 13:19.44 | radoe | rvsjoen: no, it doesn't |
| 13:20.24 | silidan | emdebian, i dont want to get a debian on my microcontroller.... i just want to compile some sort of an blinking led example for it |
| 13:20.25 | rvsjoen | there you have it then |
| 13:20.29 | rvsjoen | thanks radoe |
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| 13:21.37 | ranix | silidan: uh, what OS is currently running on your arm processor? |
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| 13:22.33 | ranix | silidan: also, don't refer to an arm as a 'microcontroller'. That's like referring to a 1000hp dragster as a "2 door coupe" |
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| 13:22.43 | catsup | hahaha |
| 13:22.57 | silidan | its a smal arm at91sam7s64 or so |
| 13:23.19 | silidan | not worth for it to run something like linux... |
| 13:23.43 | silidan | i mean its got 64kbit or ram and 256kbit of flash... |
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| 13:24.03 | silidan | or was it 16kbit ram and 64kbit flash dunno |
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| 13:24.45 | valdyn | c++ on that is a funny idea |
| 13:24.45 | catsup | if not micro then at least mini |
| 13:25.31 | catsup | nothing wrong with c++ :\ |
| 13:25.31 | ranix | silidan: not worth? it runs at 100mhz |
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| 13:25.31 | markit | Debian sid 64 + kde 4.3.2. I've hp-systray that recently is at 100% cpu, don't know if due to hp-xxx packages being updated, or kde update from 4.3.1 to 4.3.2. Googling shows that is an issue that comes up time to time.. anyone with the same problem? |
| 13:25.40 | silidan | damnit guess this mean i need to set uo an ubuntu install again, to get this thing going out of the box... |
| 13:25.44 | lolmaus^_^ | How do i force system make use of changes in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:25.55 | valdyn | lolmaus^_^: not at all |
| 13:25.56 | mbruins | hi, how can i get info on a package? (i use aptitude) |
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| 13:26.18 | lolmaus^_^ | valdyn, huh? |
| 13:26.27 | ranix | wtf ubuntu |
| 13:26.42 | ranix | !tell silidan -about debootstrap |
| 13:26.43 | valdyn | lolmaus^_^: resolv.conf is read on every dns lookup |
| 13:26.55 | valdyn | lolmaus^_^: theres no way to "force" anything there |
| 13:27.06 | ranix | silidan: you can get a barebones debian install in under 100 megabytes |
| 13:27.31 | ranix | silidan: you can get a raw system (kernel and dropbear) in under 16 megabytes |
| 13:27.37 | lolmaus^_^ | valdyn, will it try servers from top to bottom until it either get a positive result or tries all servers? |
| 13:28.17 | mbruins | the awnser i was looking for is "aptitude show" |
| 13:28.21 | halflife08 | hello folks i ran the upgrade-grub-from-legacy script on squeeze and when i rebooted the system there is is bootloader, is the way to recover this to boot a live cd of lenny and recover since http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ says live cd of squeeze is broken |
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| 13:28.33 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: it won't keep trying if it gets a response that there is no record |
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| 13:28.40 | halflife08 | **there is no bootloader i meant |
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| 13:29.35 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: also, looking at resolv.conf(5) it will only try twice by default, though this is configurable |
| 13:29.41 | mbruins | how can i check what version im running like.. stable, testing, unstable |
| 13:29.44 | silidan | ranix: thats not the point i left ubuntu because i drove me nuts when i had problems with my hardware (configuration nightmare), i thought well debian is big lets get debian, and no i realize debian doesnt even have an package to compile for arm at least i didnt find one in the repos... |
| 13:29.58 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, so it tries the second server ONLY if first server is down? |
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| 13:30.11 | catsup | mbruins: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:30.12 | silidan | i just search for something that works... |
| 13:30.38 | silidan | no script and shell dirty dancing.... |
| 13:30.40 | valdyn | im not sure gcc can compile for plain arm at all |
| 13:30.54 | ranix | silidan: what? how are you going to RUN a program with no OS |
| 13:30.55 | mbruins | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.01 | valdyn | or that it makes *any* sense at all |
| 13:31.02 | ranix | silidan: what OS is your thing running now? |
| 13:31.15 | silidan | my last app is the OS |
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| 13:31.29 | silidan | app and ose in one thing |
| 13:31.43 | valdyn | silidan: ask the vendor of that board |
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| 13:31.59 | valdyn | silidan: theres no way gcc can guess your runtime system |
| 13:32.24 | silidan | the reason i am so dissapointed it ran OUT OF THE BOX in ubuntu... and now on debian im stuck ... |
| 13:32.32 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, what if i've got a local DNS server that resolves only LAN hostnames and a ISP's DNS server that resolves internet hosts. How do i make my system address both of them? |
| 13:32.39 | valdyn | silidan: *what* ran? |
| 13:32.47 | silidan | the compiler for arm target |
| 13:32.56 | valdyn | silidan: thats not very specific |
| 13:33.07 | valdyn | silidan: where is that compiler from? what is its name ? |
| 13:33.07 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: you should set up your local dns server to forward requests to your ISP's server (or better yet to cache them) |
| 13:33.20 | radoe | silidan: if I see this right, there is no gcc crosscompiler for arm in ubuntu... |
| 13:33.25 | silidan | it was just a matte of install that package and ruin make in the source directory of my app adn tadam it compiled for the arm i uploaded it to its flah and it worked |
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| 13:33.38 | valdyn | silidan: wow that took a long time |
| 13:33.40 | mbruins | ive been running debian for 4 years now but ik really just a end-user i dont have much knowlage of IT at all.. how can i return the favor to debian anyway? |
| 13:34.02 | aprendiz001 | rvsjoen, the is better replace getopts for othe function I do? |
| 13:34.08 | valdyn | silidan: to compile something you read the README and/or read errors produced by building it |
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| 13:34.19 | valdyn | silidan: both of those would hint at what you miss |
| 13:34.20 | catsup | mbruins: what do you have much knowledge about? |
| 13:34.24 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, well, actually it does do that. I'm just curious |
| 13:34.44 | silidan | guess im betetr of getting this done my way... winxp -> winarm-> done |
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| 13:35.07 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: well i don't think that you can configure the glibc resolver library to have separate bailiwicks like that, however, i am not intimately familiar withi t |
| 13:35.09 | mbruins | catsup: nothing? |
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| 13:35.42 | catsup | mbruins: really? well you seem like a nice guy anyway, keep that up :p |
| 13:35.50 | mbruins | catsup: hehe thanks :P |
| 13:35.53 | stew | mbruins: do you know a second language? can you write a manpage? |
| 13:35.59 | ranix | how do these people get employed |
| 13:36.00 | mbruins | stew: i know dutch... |
| 13:36.07 | catsup | ah |
| 13:36.09 | Imran-UK | hipodilski, do any sysadmins here version control their own scripts? if so how do you make them live? rsync, simple scp or using the version control system? |
| 13:36.17 | ranix | "I just want to run code I wrote on this thing, I don't want an OS" |
| 13:36.18 | ranix | argh |
| 13:36.21 | stew | mbruins: you could help with translation efforts to dutch |
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| 13:36.23 | catsup | Imran-UK: what do you mean make them live? |
| 13:36.28 | ranix | and here I have trouble finding work |
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| 13:36.30 | Imran-UK | catsup, yep |
| 13:36.37 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, sounds like very advanced stuff which is used by little people |
| 13:37.00 | stew | mbruins: http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-dutch/ ; also the qa team has lists of ways to help: http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Join |
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| 13:37.11 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: erm, what does? |
| 13:37.12 | Imran-UK | catsup, i mean copying them to production, say on a LAN |
| 13:37.42 | mbruins | stew: ty |
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| 13:38.33 | catsup | Imran-UK: well i tend to use rsync and git |
| 13:38.41 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, "the glibc resolver library to have separate bailiwicks like that" |
| 13:38.56 | catsup | it is possible to git clone to copy history between hosts, but i don't do that unless i want to develop on different hosts |
| 13:39.28 | Imran-UK | catsup, ok |
| 13:39.30 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: like how you are suggesting i mean, where you have different servers, with different regions of authority (bailiwicks) |
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| 13:40.18 | catsup | i saw DJB using the word 'bailiwicks' so i copied him even though i think nobody knows that word :p (anyway i didn't) |
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| 13:40.40 | alessandra2008 | Ciao a tutti XD |
| 13:41.07 | catsup | lolmaus^_^: but actually, that is how a real caching dns server works, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for glibc to work like that |
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| 13:43.00 | catsup | oh by the way whoever asked what is debian 5, it is lenny (which right now is stable) |
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| 13:43.28 | Boohbah | hello kind denizens of #debian! if i 'echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' will it persist after reboot, or should do i need to edit some config file to achieve this? |
| 13:43.28 | alkisg | Hello. I'm looking for a utility to bypass NAT connections, like ssh -R, but one that doesn't involve user accounts. E.g. I may be able to do this with netcat. |
| 13:43.28 | alkisg | Clients A and B are behind NATs. Server S has a public IP. I got root access on all of them. I want to be able to map e.g. the vnc port 5900 of client A to port 12345 of the server, so that B can connect to it. Any utilities for that? (I guess I need two utilities, one for the server and one for client A). |
| 13:44.03 | silidan | THAT DID THE TRICK: http://embdev.net/articles/ARM_GCC_toolchain_for_Linux_and_Mac_OS_X now why cant debian just have an ready to use gc-arm-toolchain in its repos? |
| 13:44.25 | mesa_booger | Boohbah: /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 13:44.56 | lolmaus^_^ | catsup, thank you for teaching the basics ^_^ |
| 13:45.05 | catsup | what aws that guy on about |
| 13:45.27 | Boohbah | mesa_booger: thank you |
| 13:45.52 | catsup | Boohbah: no it won't persist, you should add that to /etc/network/interfaces as an 'up' clause |
| 13:46.00 | catsup | oh you can put it there too |
| 13:46.12 | catsup | that's probably better :\ |
| 13:47.18 | catsup | alkisg: you can actually use netcat for that, starting it from inetd |
| 13:47.29 | catsup | alkisg: or you can use iptables |
| 13:47.55 | alkisg | catsup: how is that thing I want to do called, so that I can google for the correct syntax? |
| 13:47.59 | alkisg | Is that nat traversal? |
| 13:48.23 | valdyn | alkisg: you just need iptables |
| 13:48.26 | catsup | alkisg: no, you just want to forward a port |
| 13:48.38 | catsup | you could google forward a port with iptables |
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| 13:48.48 | alkisg | catsup: isn't that *reverse* port forwarding? |
| 13:48.52 | catsup | starting netcat inside inetd is actually a much easier method to remember |
| 13:49.12 | catsup | um |
| 13:49.22 | catsup | i don't know what's reversed about it |
| 13:49.28 | valdyn | alkisg: you only need "reverse" port forwarding if the target is behind a firewall |
| 13:49.34 | mesa_booger | Boohbah: not all things can go in /etc/sysctl.conf cos it is run very early in the startup, and the relevent modules may not be loaded yet. one idea to get around that, is to add "sysctl -p" to /etc/rc.local so that you give the rest of the startup time to load modules |
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| 13:49.58 | valdyn | alkisg: now if the target is firewalled then you cannot do this without a user account |
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| 13:50.01 | alkisg | valdyn, catsup: both A and B are behind NATs (I don't know well my network theory, so please correct me) |
| 13:50.11 | catsup | oh |
| 13:50.22 | alkisg | And I got a server S with a public IP |
| 13:50.35 | valdyn | alkisg: if both are firewalled completely then you can only do this *with* user account and *with* a not-firwalled 3rd box |
| 13:50.48 | catsup | actually i misunderstood |
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| 13:51.01 | alkisg | I've already done this with ssh -R, but I don't want to give out server user accounts to A and B... |
| 13:51.11 | catsup | right |
| 13:51.19 | Boohbah | mesa_booger: i could also add that line 'echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' to /etc/rc.local. that may be the best solution. |
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| 13:51.24 | valdyn | alkisg: no way around that |
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| 13:51.42 | catsup | Boohbah: you can add that to /etc/network/interfaces too :p it's where your other net settings are... |
| 13:51.43 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 13:51.48 | valdyn | alkisg: no way that is practically feasable anyway |
| 13:51.58 | ranix | there is |
| 13:51.59 | catsup | what |
| 13:52.01 | catsup | sure there is |
| 13:52.08 | ranix | you have A, B, and C |
| 13:52.09 | mesa_booger | Boohbah: indeed. you prolly know by now that sysctl is being phased out |
| 13:52.13 | ranix | A and C are firewalled |
| 13:52.14 | ranix | B is not |
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| 13:52.22 | alkisg | ranix: yes, go on... |
| 13:52.33 | catsup | i don't have the exact solution right off the tip of my fingers though :\ |
| 13:52.33 | hanibana | is there a way to tell apt to install a package with a different prefix path than default /? |
| 13:52.50 | catsup | hanibana: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:52.55 | valdyn | ranix: remember, a and c cannot log into b |
| 13:53.09 | ranix | forward A:2100->b, B:2200->c. make an iptables rule to direct 2100 on b to 2200 |
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| 13:53.21 | alkisg | valdyn: but I can run whatever software is needed in b to do the port mapping |
| 13:53.21 | ranix | A and C must be able to log into B |
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| 13:53.32 | Imran-UK | mesa_booger, whats going to be in its place? |
| 13:53.35 | valdyn | ranix: thats exactly what im saying |
| 13:53.39 | ranix | well |
| 13:53.40 | valdyn | ranix: and what he doesnt want |
| 13:53.45 | alkisg | ranix: can't I forward the packets without giving them user accounts? |
| 13:53.45 | ranix | A and C must have accounts on B |
| 13:53.58 | ranix | but B could have --shell=/bin/false on those |
| 13:54.01 | stew | alkisg: can you setup a vpn on B? |
| 13:54.02 | ranix | and that would be fine |
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| 13:54.07 | valdyn | the only theoretical way would be to implement the handshaking "server" completely in the kernel, thats a stupid idea |
| 13:54.13 | mesa_booger | Imran-UK: echo somevalue > /proc/sys/somewhere |
| 13:54.32 | valdyn | alkisg: what you really want is to restrict that account tightly |
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| 13:54.42 | alkisg | I've already done that with ssh -R, and with shell=/bin/false, and with key-based authentication, but I prefer to not give them user accounts... |
| 13:54.50 | Imran-UK | mesa_booger, i think sysctl has less line noise and is less error-prone, wodner why its being phased out |
| 13:54.57 | greycat | This is depressing, but apparently it was the only way to fix my problem from last week: |
| 13:55.00 | greycat | /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-1_001189310571077-part1 /data1 xfs defaults0 2 |
| 13:55.00 | hanibana | catsup: I want to use apt to install a package. But, do'nt want to install it in / . My / is going to be filled. I have another partition (like /extra) that I want to apt/dpkg use it. and store package files as /extra/usr, /extra/var, .... |
| 13:55.13 | catsup | hanibana: that won't work |
| 13:55.14 | mesa_booger | Imran-UK: but then again, there is talk of /proc being phased out too |
| 13:55.32 | greycat | also, my terminal seems to have eaten the tab between defaults and 0, but it's there. |
| 13:55.33 | mesa_booger | Imran-UK: as to the why, no idea really |
| 13:55.37 | alkisg | stew: yes, but will connecting to the vpn be easy for A? |
| 13:55.39 | Imran-UK | mesa_booger, sysctl being phased out is just talk? |
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| 13:55.57 | mesa_booger | Imran-UK: for now |
| 13:56.08 | hanibana | catsup: thanks... but, its so hard to implement? |
| 13:56.13 | stew | mesa_booger: where can I read about sysctl being phased out? |
| 13:56.21 | catsup | hanibana: it won't work because the programs expect each other to be in certain locations |
| 13:56.34 | alkisg | valdyn: e.g. even if they can't login, they may abuse the port forwarding that ssh gives for anonymous surfing... |
| 13:56.40 | catsup | hanibana: it's easy to install the programs in other locations, but then the programs wont' work anymore |
| 13:56.52 | catsup | hanibana: what you should do instead is have a separate /usr, which you can make out of your /extra |
| 13:56.58 | Imran-UK | i'm interested if/when debian moves to upstart instead of the usual /etc/init/d scripts |
| 13:57.09 | valdyn | alkisg: ssh forwards to a specific port |
| 13:57.12 | catsup | hanibana: that way, you will not need all the space on /. or you could resize / |
| 13:57.15 | stew | alkisg: if you setup a vpn server on the public machine, the other machines behind nat could use it to talk to eachother, they don't need an account on the machine, they need credentials to join the VPN |
| 13:57.19 | valdyn | alkisg: i dont get how that enables surfing anonymously |
| 13:58.04 | stew | valdyn: it allows them to appear to websites that they come from the server instead of their own ip address |
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| 13:58.11 | stew | (i guess) |
| 13:58.21 | Boohbah | catsup: i do not want to edit /etc/network/interfaces as i am running in a Xen environment and that file gets rewritten on boot. |
| 13:58.34 | justin | valdyn: man ssh /-D |
| 13:58.40 | catsup | Boohbah: oh fine then :p |
| 13:59.12 | valdyn | justin: i think were forwarding a vpn port, thats not enabling surfing |
| 13:59.16 | Imran-UK | if i can offer a debian tip of the day, it would be that the chkconfig package gives the redhat-equivalent command for debian (along with the "service" command) - very useful imho |
| 13:59.24 | valdyn | justin: i think were forwarding a vnc port, thats not enabling surfing |
| 13:59.37 | Boohbah | catsup: thank you for your suggestions though :) |
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| 14:00.13 | hanibana | catsup: ok thank u |
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| 14:00.33 | alkisg | valdyn: I don't want the ports to be static, as many people from A will be needing help from sysadmins from B... so some smart teacher in A will be able to call ssh -R <whateverport>:<whateverserver>:<whateverport>... |
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| 14:01.23 | alkisg | stew: I'll google for a vpn solution, but I think that setting up a vpn client is a little difficult for novices. Thanks! |
| 14:01.30 | valdyn | alkisg: real vpn is better |
| 14:02.08 | robin_sz | generally, from patch availability for a serious security problem, how long is it before the security team makes packages available? hours? days? |
| 14:02.13 | alkisg | valdyn: thank you very much |
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| 14:03.05 | robin_sz | I had always assumed it was ~12 hours or so |
| 14:04.30 | catsup | really alkisg's problem is he needs to be able to open a connection from B to C, where C is behind NAT, so C actually initiates the TCP connection, and then the connection from B to C is tunnelled back over that. for one thing, pppd can do it [without a user account]. also, other vpn mechanisms. ssh can do it, with a user account. possibly there are other solutions? |
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| 14:04.47 | catsup | by the way alkisg |
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| 14:05.03 | xor | Hi there. |
| 14:05.04 | catsup | alkisg: have you checked whether these NAT gateways support upnp? maybe it is not so hard simply to have them do the port forwarding |
| 14:05.21 | xor | What does the "Automatically installed" package status mean? |
| 14:05.37 | alkisg | catsup: I'd like a generic solution, for hundends of schools... so I couldn't enforce them to buy specific routers :-/ |
| 14:05.43 | alkisg | Thank you catsup! :) |
| 14:06.03 | Wildy | um... i've just found out that my Gmaps are in english. Is there a way to set Gmaps' language? |
| 14:06.20 | catsup | alkisg: ok, i think you should definitely be using a VPN of some sort |
| 14:06.23 | Wildy | i do remember some app that showed the 'hl' parameter for the maps |
| 14:07.06 | alkisg | catsup: I think I'll be able to manage it with a shell script with nc, but I was trying to see if someone's already done a more proper solution |
| 14:07.14 | catsup | for hundreds of schools, i think you should not use pppd or ssh even if you don't mind accounts |
| 14:07.15 | Wildy | oh sorry, wrong channel |
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| 14:09.30 | catsup | alkisg: once you get that working post it somewhere and send me a link if you would |
| 14:09.55 | alkisg | catsup: I can send you the ssh based script I have right now if you want... |
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| 14:10.21 | alkisg | catsup: but sure, I will :) |
| 14:10.38 | catsup | cool thanks |
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| 14:13.45 | dhalsimm | hi, I'm trying to connect ssh through nautilus, but what should I do when I need sudo or su access? It's ok with terminal but can't do it in nautilus |
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| 14:16.33 | greycat | /msg dpkg nautilus says to try #nautilus on irc.gnome.org |
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| 14:16.45 | greycat | my own suggestion would be "use a terminal if you need one" |
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| 14:17.24 | fhilgenberg | hi - any idea howto get php4 running on a lenny system? |
| 14:17.37 | bzed | [x] shoot yourself. |
| 14:17.58 | bzed | you don'twant to use php. especially not php4. |
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| 14:18.11 | themill | !php4 |
| 14:18.12 | dpkg | from memory, php4 security is pretty poor, judging by their track record. Note that since PHP4 is being abandoned by upstream (PHP5 was released some years ago after all!), it has been removed from Debian for lenny onwards. If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway. |
| 14:18.13 | lsd | php4 *shudder* |
| 14:18.15 | catsup | fhilgenberg: you mean you don't want php5? |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | fhilgenberg: i believe the last person that tried that ended up compiling it themselves .. i doubt the etch packages would work, but it can't hurt (any more than using PHP4 already) to try |
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| 14:18.18 | fhilgenberg | but my customers want it |
| 14:18.34 | abrotman | fhilgenberg: tell your customers for their own security you will not provide it? |
| 14:18.40 | bzed | fhilgenberg: be a good hsoter than and tell your customers that they REALLY DO NOT WANT IT. |
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| 14:18.53 | catsup | just tell them that php4 is there |
| 14:18.59 | catsup | but actually install php5 |
| 14:19.07 | bzed | :D |
| 14:19.09 | catsup | <-- knows how to run a business |
| 14:19.22 | stew | fhilgenberg: do you customers mind if your box is insecure? |
| 14:19.26 | bzed | and probably tell php to acceppt php4 files then |
| 14:19.43 | elventails | can I still find an etch netinst? only finding Lenny on the main site |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | !tell elventails about cd archive |
| 14:20.05 | fhilgenberg | damn :D first @ catsup - we are offering php4 and php5 (cgi) |
| 14:20.17 | babilen | dhalsimm: why not start nautilus with gksu/as root? |
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| 14:20.31 | bzed | fhilgenberg: don't do such things :) |
| 14:20.46 | elventails | abrotman: sweet - thanks! |
| 14:21.11 | fhilgenberg | oomph i am just trainee and i have to get it running^^ |
| 14:21.21 | babilen | dhalsimm: or connect to an account with the correct permissions on the remote host? (maybe the better solution) |
| 14:21.54 | bzed | fhilgenberg: tell your boss that he/she sucks |
| 14:21.57 | abrotman | fhilgenberg: tell your manager that every sane person in the world stopped using PHP4 about .. two years ago ? |
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| 14:22.03 | bzed | and/or has no clue |
| 14:22.23 | fhilgenberg | mh ok - thank you all :) |
| 14:22.47 | stew | fhilgenberg: make sure they understand the php4 has well known security problems that nobody is fixing, since everybody has abandoned it |
| 14:23.34 | catsup | you can't be explaining things like that to people |
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| 14:24.21 | themill | fhilgenberg: dpkg's quote "If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway." is very very true. Given the quality of php code, if it's not been maintained and ported over the php5, then it's also crap code that you don't want running on your machines. |
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| 14:25.54 | fhilgenberg | ok guys - i am very pleased for your help |
| 14:26.04 | fhilgenberg | have a nice day, bye |
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| 14:30.30 | Freddy_Kruger | hi |
| 14:31.09 | Freddy_Kruger | brb |
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| 14:38.13 | Freddy_Kruger | i'm back |
| 14:38.39 | azazel_ | someone here has installed HAvP? |
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| 14:38.58 | greycat | decides that he will NOT proactively go around to every system, trying to guess which ones might have a device remapping problem on some future Linux kernel (due to having both SATA and real-SCSI devices). Instead, he will just apply the godawful /dev/disk/by-id/big-long-part1 stuff in /etc/fstab as the need arises. |
| 14:39.01 | azazel_ | with kaspersky |
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| 14:39.34 | Freddy_Kruger | is there any drivers for my nvidia riva tnt2 m64 32mb agp 4x video card? |
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| 14:39.54 | greycat | VESA doesn't work? |
| 14:40.01 | catsup | greycat: i don't mind the new widescreen /etc/fstab |
| 14:40.08 | catsup | greycat: it came in right when i got a new widescreen monitor |
| 14:40.12 | catsup | greycat: everything is in balance |
| 14:40.13 | themill | greycat: I've been trying to convince people to use UUIDs instead of nicks in #d too, but I don't seem to have made much progress yet. |
| 14:40.48 | greycat | themill: udev made the decision for me by refusing to do what I wanted the first two times. |
| 14:40.58 | catsup | i've also started writing programs with lines longer than 80 characters. seriously. is that wrong? i might as well use python instead of perl at this point. |
| 14:40.59 | greycat | themill: so I just gave up. |
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| 14:41.27 | catsup | greycat: what did you want udev to do? |
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| 14:42.02 | themill | catsup: 80 chars!? You should stop at 72 and use a continuation marker in column 5 of the next line. |
| 14:42.02 | greycat | My first attempt was "Make the internal SATA disks always be sda and sdb so that the externals will be sdc, sdd, etc. if any are added down the road". Denied. |
| 14:42.03 | Freddy_Kruger | does anybody here know where i can get drivers for my nvidia RIVA TNT2 M64 32MB AGP 4X video card? |
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| 14:42.32 | catsup | themill: you're living in the past man |
| 14:42.47 | greycat | catsup: when I upgraded this machine to lenny last week, the external RAID device (sdc) because sda. Fucked everything up. |
| 14:42.55 | mbruins | hi, i dont have X right now would someone give me a link to amd64 lenny? so i can wget it.. thanks in advance |
| 14:42.57 | Freddy_Kruger | please help me :) |
| 14:43.09 | greycat | mbruins: aptitude install xorg |
| 14:43.24 | mbruins | greycat: -.- |
| 14:43.26 | adb | Freddy_Kruger, too old , bye a new one |
| 14:43.30 | mbruins | greycat: not possible |
| 14:43.53 | Freddy_Kruger | adb: will it work for OpenGL? |
| 14:43.53 | catsup | mbruins: sure, but apt-get install w3m |
| 14:44.21 | greycat | OpenGL? isn't that some sort of fancy thing that's more than "an 80x24 rxvt window or ten"? |
| 14:44.25 | adb | Freddy_Kruger, i guess no |
| 14:44.39 | greycat | why would you think a 15 year old video card would do anything fancy? |
| 14:45.11 | jetscreamer | greycat: they don't care. it's been broken like that since 2.6.13 or so... udev. --purge udev fixes it. compiling stuff into kernel fixes it. using UUID in fstab and menu.lst fixes it. they have it documented in the install errata even. |
| 14:45.22 | Freddy_Kruger | i dont want it to do anything too fancy i just want it to run screensavers at a decent speed. |
| 14:45.30 | catsup | mbruins: you didn't say which one, here's netinst: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:45.41 | greycat | I bet it can run "blank" quite nicely. |
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| 14:46.18 | Pryon | xset dpms force off will probably work, too |
| 14:46.41 | catsup | if the video card cost more than $1k 15 years ago, it should be able to animate rotating gears |
| 14:46.44 | catsup | i think |
| 14:46.53 | paxcoder | is anyone else experiencing not being able to get the "External tools" dialog in Gedit on Squeeze (that is, testing)? |
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| 14:47.22 | Freddy_Kruger | stop being F*^&ing @$$ HOLES! |
| 14:47.48 | Freddy_Kruger | and tell me where i can get legacy drivers for my video card. |
| 14:48.11 | catsup | omg |
| 14:48.11 | adb | Freddy_Kruger, stop troll |
| 14:48.11 | Freddy_Kruger | adb: sorry. |
| 14:48.26 | catsup | well you can get what legacy drivers exist by installing some old version of xfree86 |
| 14:48.43 | Freddy_Kruger | wouldn't xfce help me? |
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| 14:48.54 | catsup | or maybe even the current xfree86 still has the old drivers? |
| 14:49.01 | catsup | xfce has nothing to do with video card drivers |
| 14:49.21 | Freddy_Kruger | it says i already have the driver installed. |
| 14:49.24 | alkisg | Freddy_Kruger: why don't you use the proprietary nvidia drivers if you want opengl? |
| 14:49.28 | Freddy_Kruger | but i don't believe it. |
| 14:49.45 | Freddy_Kruger | where do i get that driver? |
| 14:49.49 | alkisg | In the nvidia site |
| 14:49.52 | paxcoder | Someone with testing, please try to click "External" in Gedit to see if the dialog comes up. |
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| 14:50.23 | Freddy_Kruger | brb |
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| 14:51.23 | paxcoder | ... |
| 14:51.58 | Waggle | hello, I have a problem in lenny; automount doesn't work for my usb sticks |
| 14:52.06 | Waggle | they do show up with dmesg |
| 14:52.59 | Waggle | user has rights to 'access external storage devices automatically' |
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| 14:53.31 | paxcoder | Waggle: did you try to mount it manually yet? |
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| 14:54.11 | jetscreamer | Freddy_Kruger: try ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.11/ |
| 14:54.34 | babilen | Waggle: ... and what do you use for automounting? |
| 14:55.00 | paxcoder | [Squeeze] Gedit -> Tools -> External tools... |
| 14:55.03 | ranix | !autofs |
| 14:55.03 | dpkg | autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for usb storage, then ask me about <automount> instead. |
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| 14:55.49 | paxcoder | Thanks. |
| 14:55.52 | Waggle | i don't really know how to mount manually :) i found something with 'sudo mount -t vfat (dmesg info) |
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| 14:56.08 | Waggle | automount is the thing i'm looking for |
| 14:56.29 | greycat | I suspect what you're really looking for is something more like supermount. |
| 14:56.35 | greycat | Or whatever that's been replaced with. |
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| 14:57.16 | adb | !pmount |
| 14:57.16 | dpkg | it has been said that pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 14:58.07 | JordiGH | Ah, policy? |
| 14:58.07 | JordiGH | I've never been curious enough to figure out what the p was. |
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| 14:59.38 | jetscreamer | greycat: errata, third one down. it's been listed there for a long time. was there for etch also. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:00.16 | jetscreamer | but what i said, fixes it on this box. |
| 15:01.00 | greycat | jetscreamer: and what is the proposed fix for a box where sdc became sda when a new kernel decided to change things? |
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| 15:01.23 | jetscreamer | theirs? no frickin idea. like i said, they don't seem to care. |
| 15:01.26 | greycat | jetscreamer: I mean... I've already made *a* fix on *my* box, so what are you trying to tell me? |
| 15:02.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.16 | jetscreamer | compiling stuff into kernel and not using initrd rather |
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| 15:05.22 | catsup | udev is the best thing to happen to linux ever |
| 15:05.26 | jetscreamer | right |
| 15:06.03 | catsup | purging udev is worse than purging wedding cake |
| 15:06.23 | jetscreamer | eveything in the world depends on udev nowadays it seems |
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| 15:06.29 | catsup | as it should |
| 15:06.36 | jetscreamer | shame it doesn't work properly eh |
| 15:06.47 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 15:06.50 | catsup | not udev's fault |
| 15:07.04 | catsup | i don't use any of that crap myself |
| 15:07.07 | jetscreamer | funny how it works w/o udev and it's not it's fault |
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| 15:07.17 | Rienzilla | suppose I have an ldap containing a bunch of users, and I want a system to be able to resolve the user id's in that ldap, but I do not want the users to be able to log in |
| 15:07.20 | catsup | omg you're a hater |
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| 15:07.30 | Rienzilla | is it enough to just install and confifugre libnss-ldap properly? |
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| 15:08.22 | greycat | I very seriously doubt that purging udev would make my kernel detect the devices in a different order, given that TWO DIFFERENT KERNELS -- no other change! -- give me two different device orders. |
| 15:08.22 | catsup | Rienzilla: well you're going to need to prevent them from logging in one way or another, either through the actual entries on the ldap server, or some policy mechanism in pam config |
| 15:08.36 | justin | greycat: ah, that's always fun |
| 15:08.37 | catsup | greycat: device order is not static ok |
| 15:08.52 | catsup | you are not supposed to rely on the device numbers between reboots |
| 15:08.55 | justin | greycat: I used to have that issue with NICs before I started using nameif |
| 15:08.55 | Rienzilla | catsup: well, the users need a shell etc. set, because they should be allowed to log in on other machines |
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| 15:09.03 | justin | though of course now udev sets that thing up for you :) |
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| 15:09.06 | catsup | that's the new linux, and it is awesome |
| 15:09.09 | greycat | catsup: "numbers" schnumbers... sdc became sda. |
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| 15:09.20 | JordiGH | catsup: GNU/kFreeBSD is the new Linux. |
| 15:09.28 | catsup | greycat: um, sdc and sda map to the device node numbers, ok |
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| 15:09.38 | JordiGH | srsly: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20091007 |
| 15:09.41 | justin | greycat: I used to have that problem with scsi disks back when I had a bunch of external scsi devices, if one took too long to start up my boot would blow up |
| 15:09.41 | jetscreamer | well i told you what works for the exact same thing here. hth and all that. |
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| 15:09.54 | catsup | JordiGH: yeah i know. i'll be trying that out. but kfreebsd does not have udev. |
| 15:10.01 | justin | greycat: at least you have UUIDS now, things sucked a lot more in 1999 :) |
| 15:10.11 | JordiGH | catsup: This is possibly a good thing. |
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| 15:10.28 | catsup | wrong |
| 15:10.30 | catsup | as i said before |
| 15:10.34 | JordiGH | right |
| 15:10.37 | JordiGH | as i thought before |
| 15:10.53 | catsup | udev is the best thing to happen to linux ever |
| 15:10.53 | catsup | THE BEST |
| 15:10.53 | catsup | EVER |
| 15:10.53 | greycat | justin: in 1999 I never had a box whose internal drives got detected AFTER the external RAID cabinet. |
| 15:10.54 | justin | greycat: I did :) |
| 15:11.07 | justin | greycat: fast external zip drive, slow internal scsi disk |
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| 15:11.26 | justin | weird things used to happen :) |
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| 15:11.37 | catsup | static device numbers don't make sense in the context of hotplug. everything is event-driven now. it all makes sense. udev drives everything. learn to write udev rules and you have more control over your system than you ever did before. |
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| 15:11.46 | justin | greycat: though your devices should be on two different scsi busses, so something in the driver probably changed how it probes them |
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| 15:12.07 | greycat | I tried to write a udev rule. It didn't work. Someone in #udev looked at it and said it oughtta work. |
| 15:12.21 | catsup | well that's just some guy in #udev |
| 15:12.25 | justin | greycat: why not just use UUIDs or LABELs ? |
| 15:12.34 | greycat | justin: very, very different, yes. One's the SATA controller on the motherboard, and the other is a PCI SCSI card. |
| 15:12.40 | jetscreamer | i tried the udev rule route also... didn't work. |
| 15:12.50 | catsup | udev itself works quite well |
| 15:13.06 | greycat | justin: this worked: /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-1_001189310571077-part1 /data1 xfs defaults0 2 |
| 15:13.16 | greycat | (my terminal is eating the tab between defaults and 0) |
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| 15:13.37 | justin | greycat: why don't you just do UUID=theuuid |
| 15:13.39 | catsup | look at the persistent net stuff, my god is that not pure awesomeness? |
| 15:13.43 | jetscreamer | i tried that for my dvd, couldn't get by-id to work |
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| 15:14.16 | justin | shrugs |
| 15:14.16 | greycat | justin: because I don't know what the fuck ANY of this stuff is, and I tried THREE DIFFERENT THINGS before finally finding ONE that worked. |
| 15:14.19 | catsup | look at it! no more /etc/ethers or whatever the hell you were supposed to do, putting mac addresses into some file, it's all done automatically |
| 15:14.21 | jetscreamer | my dvd's still change |
| 15:14.25 | justin | greycat: heh, fair enough |
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| 15:14.37 | jetscreamer | i have to go in and look manually to see what they are |
| 15:14.38 | justin | catsup: the format sucks though |
| 15:14.40 | catsup | ifrename replaced by a shell script! |
| 15:14.55 | catsup | justin: it's perfectly adequate |
| 15:14.58 | greycat | I can't even parse "just do UUID=theuuid". I don't know what that even means. Edit some file...? |
| 15:15.00 | justin | it used to be 'ifname 00:....' one per line |
| 15:15.16 | catsup | justin: lol |
| 15:15.27 | catsup | justin: one line that the sys admin had to manually enter into a file as root for each inserted device |
| 15:15.28 | greycat | It certainly doesn't look like a udev rule. |
| 15:15.36 | catsup | justin: which is now automatically inserted by a shell script on device insertion |
| 15:15.38 | jetscreamer | greycat it's the same as by-id .. /dev/disk/by-UUID except you just plug in the uuid # |
| 15:15.40 | justin | now you get SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:....", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
| 15:15.54 | justin | i dunno about you but I prefer 'eth0 00:...' to that |
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| 15:15.58 | catsup | uhh justin |
| 15:16.07 | greycat | justin: speaking of which, WHY can you use NAME="eth0" for network interfaces but not NAME="sda%n" for disks? |
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| 15:16.12 | catsup | you're talking about a system that does automatically what had to be done manually |
| 15:16.20 | greycat | justin: that was the first thing I tried, and could not get to work. |
| 15:16.36 | catsup | greycat: there is a reason, do you really want to know it? |
| 15:16.46 | greycat | ... |
| 15:16.59 | jetscreamer | like in a kernel line in grub, root=UUID=blahblah |
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| 15:17.21 | greycat | catsup: I'd settle for a line in some manual page or some howto saying "by the way, X and Y and Z do not work on disks, so don't try it. Use Q and R and S instead." |
| 15:17.22 | jetscreamer | or just UUID=blahblah in fstab |
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| 15:17.55 | catsup | greycat: well, it's the other way around, network devices are the speicla case, they're not device nodes at all |
| 15:18.11 | greycat | jetscreamer: ironically, the root file system on the /dev/md0 device on the mirrored pair of SATA disk partitions was fine. It didn't care that the underlying devices changed. |
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| 15:18.19 | Martin_vW | hello. I've followed http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package to rename a package in my company's repo, but after dist-upgrading, both the old and the new package are installed. Is there a way to get rid of the old transitional package as soon as the new one is installed, maybe by using a dpkg trigger? |
| 15:18.25 | greycat | jetscreamer: it was just the EXTERNAL disk trying to be mounted from /dev/sdc1 that blew up. |
| 15:18.29 | catsup | greycat: the basic principle is that the kernel assigns the device nodes [as in the numbers given to mknod] to the new devices |
| 15:18.46 | catsup | greycat: then the udev event is generated to process these device nodes |
| 15:19.11 | jetscreamer | watches the sos as seen in the era or 2.6.13, or when udev was introduced to sid |
| 15:19.20 | greycat | catsup: that would have been awesome to know. |
| 15:19.25 | jetscreamer | waves bye on his way to work |
| 15:19.48 | greycat | Too many linux man pages do not explain the basic concepts. |
| 15:19.48 | catsup | greycat: so while it's possible to make an sda that does not correspond to 8:0, it's certainly a bad idea |
| 15:19.48 | jetscreamer | s/or/of/ |
| 15:19.52 | catsup | instead you make a symlink to /dev/sda which always points to 8:0 |
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| 15:20.29 | catsup | yes you're right that the man 7 udev page does assume that you know this :\ |
| 15:20.32 | greycat | catsup: so it's completely normal and sane to put /dev/disk/by-id/scsk-1.... in fstab nowadays? |
| 15:20.55 | catsup | greycat: yes, that's how you should do it |
| 15:20.59 | greycat | good. |
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| 15:22.10 | catsup | by-path and by-uuid are fine too |
| 15:22.52 | jetscreamer | by-id in fstab didn't work for me for the dvd |
| 15:22.52 | adb | and by-label too? |
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| 15:23.07 | greycat | by-path is a little scary, since it hard-codes which PCI slot the SCSI card is in, or something. |
| 15:23.20 | jetscreamer | and it's not documented in man mount or man fstab |
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| 15:23.42 | catsup | jetscreamer: it's got nothing to do with mount or fstab |
| 15:23.45 | greycat | jetscreamer: why would mount or fstab describe the structure of /dev? |
| 15:23.45 | jetscreamer | example of a working, please? |
| 15:23.54 | catsup | jetscreamer: it's just a symlink to the device file |
| 15:24.08 | greycat | jetscreamer: /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-1_001189310571077-part1 /data1 xfs defaults 0 2 |
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| 15:24.28 | catsup | greycat: well, you know, that's how some people like it to work, so that they can know which drive is plugged in where |
| 15:24.44 | greycat | catsup: I suppose so. |
| 15:24.47 | jetscreamer | i tried that... |
| 15:24.49 | catsup | greycat: for example if you had a RAID array, you could number the drive chassises, and know which drive had failed |
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| 15:25.18 | jetscreamer | something about 'not a special device' was my error |
| 15:25.22 | greycat | /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-1_001189310571077 is an entire RAID cabinet. It shows up as a single disk to the controller. |
| 15:25.37 | catsup | by-path emulates the old behavior before hotplug, where device nodes were predictable |
| 15:25.47 | jetscreamer | anyway, gtg ... i don't use the dvd anyway |
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| 15:25.56 | jetscreamer | shame, this is one of my favorite rants |
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| 15:27.22 | catsup | later jetscreamer |
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| 15:32.10 | jamesstanley | I've got a DNS server set up to handle internal hostnames, but I want it to either forward requests to my ISP servers, or return NXDOMAIN (?) so that the clients can contact the ISP servers for other queries |
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| 15:32.24 | jamesstanley | Say if a client looks up "neal-the-obtuse", it should tell it 10.1.1.42 |
| 15:32.39 | jamesstanley | but for "google.co.uk" it should tell it one of google's addresses |
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| 15:32.52 | jamesstanley | OR do whatever it needs to do to make the client ask the next dns server |
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| 15:33.03 | jamesstanley | at the moment nslookup does this: |
| 15:33.11 | jamesstanley | nslookup google.co.uk |
| 15:33.11 | jamesstanley | ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 10.1.1.54, trying next server |
| 15:33.11 | jamesstanley | Server: 194.117.134.19 |
| 15:33.11 | jamesstanley | Address: 194.117.134.19#53 |
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| 15:33.37 | jamesstanley | it says it got a servfail from my dns server and then moves on to the next server |
| 15:33.41 | jamesstanley | but only nslookup does this |
| 15:33.42 | greycat | jamesstanley: it should _not_ return NXDOMAIN. |
| 15:33.47 | jamesstanley | what should it do? |
| 15:34.04 | jamesstanley | atm it returns SERVFAIL |
| 15:34.16 | greycat | jamesstanley: if you're using BIND, I think you want a forwarders { my.isp.DNS.resolverIP; ...; }; |
| 15:34.23 | jamesstanley | i have that |
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| 15:34.28 | greycat | jamesstanley: I'd suggest asking #dns. They're better at this than I am. |
| 15:34.32 | jamesstanley | ok thanks |
| 15:34.33 | jamesstanley | #dns |
| 15:34.35 | jamesstanley | oops |
| 15:34.39 | jamesstanley | i meant /join |
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| 15:35.12 | Piliman | #dns |
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| 15:35.46 | mbruins | hi, i just installed xorg with twm. now i really would like to set the background. whats the most universial way to do this? |
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| 15:36.02 | jamesstanley | xsetbg? |
| 15:36.13 | greycat | depends on whether you want to set it to a solid color, or an image or some kind. |
| 15:36.43 | mbruins | i want to set a solid color. i would like to set it when i do "startx\" |
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| 15:37.19 | jetscreamer | you know, it would be very funny if you banned me for ranting about that same behavior |
| 15:37.43 | greycat | mbruins: xsetroot -solid colorname |
| 15:37.48 | mbruins | perhaps setting xsetbg in .xinitrc would this help? |
| 15:38.02 | greycat | I've not used xsetbg, but maybe that works too |
| 15:38.11 | mbruins | i would like to get this color every time when i use startx |
| 15:38.33 | greycat | if you are using .xinitrc, then that's where you would put the command. |
| 15:38.40 | greycat | if you're using .xsession then put it there |
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| 15:39.10 | mbruins | whats the differrence between .xsession nd .xinitrc? if i may aask |
| 15:39.39 | greycat | startx on Debian will use either one. xdm only uses .xsession, so you should probably use .xsession if you haven't already chosen. |
| 15:40.26 | mbruins | hm its hard to say because when i read info on inet i read alot about .xinitrc |
| 15:40.41 | mbruins | i really would like to know the difference betweeen .xinitrc .xsession |
| 15:40.43 | jetscreamer | one wants !#/bin/sh at the top or somethng |
| 15:40.51 | jetscreamer | or both do i forget |
| 15:40.58 | jetscreamer | really leaves now |
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| 15:45.52 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 15:45.52 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 15:46.17 | valdyn | !xinitrc |
| 15:46.18 | dpkg | somebody said xinitrc was just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
| 15:46.25 | valdyn | !.xinitrc |
| 15:46.25 | dpkg | i heard .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
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| 15:54.37 | Martin_vW | I've followed http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package to rename a package in my company's repo, but after dist-upgrading, both the old and the new package are installed. Is there a way to get rid of the old transitional package as soon as the new one is installed, maybe by using a dpkg trigger? |
| 15:54.59 | pim_ | ok what the hell is this??: <Baby``16> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 15:55.06 | pim_ | I join your channel and I get this crap |
| 15:55.15 | pim_ | it happened two days ago or so as well |
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| 15:55.49 | themill | thanks, pim |
| 15:56.19 | pim_ | no problem |
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| 15:56.48 | themill | pim_: but please don't paste the URL etc in the channel next time... just say "!ops Baby``16 on-join spam" |
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| 15:58.19 | pim_ | themill alright |
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| 15:58.36 | pim_ | where do those bots come from? |
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| 16:10.40 | jamesstanley | greycat: it turns out it was a network problem, not a dns problem |
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| 16:13.57 | selbeimanti | since upgrading testing xscreensaver turns itself on, even when i have no screensaver specified in kde. |
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| 16:15.05 | selbeimanti | i now removed xscreensaver and several other packages, but how would i just disable it? |
| 16:15.09 | jamesstanley | selbeimanti: a similar thing is annoying me at the moment, i have done xset -dpms, and kde has power management turned off, but it still turns the screen black if i leave it still for 10 minutes |
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| 16:15.41 | selbeimanti | jamesstanley: also since a few days at the most? |
| 16:15.58 | jamesstanley | i only upgraded to squeeze a couple of days ago |
| 16:16.02 | IndyGunFreak | which debian ISO do i download if I want a gnome live CD? |
| 16:16.10 | jamesstanley | livecd? |
| 16:16.18 | jamesstanley | i don't think debian provide one |
| 16:16.24 | IndyGunFreak | doesn't have one?...i thought it did. |
| 16:16.38 | scrash09 | Hi. I've config'd an exim server to exec the service as "exim -C /non/standard/path/exim.conf". Runs fine. Cron jobs that mail, however, still invoke "just exim (or, sendmail)" which tries to use the compiled-in default config @ /etc/exim/exim.conf. |
| 16:16.39 | scrash09 | What's the right way to make cron, and any/all invocations of exim, use the '/non/standard/path/exim.conf'? |
| 16:16.45 | jamesstanley | i think knoppix is based on debian IndyGunFreak |
| 16:16.50 | IndyGunFreak | could have swore it did actually |
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| 16:16.54 | IndyGunFreak | i hate knoppix |
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| 16:17.03 | P3t3 | hey guys how do I stop xchat from conveying so much information about my network? |
| 16:17.04 | selbeimanti | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 16:17.37 | selbeimanti | P3t3: there's also an #xchat channel |
| 16:17.38 | jamesstanley | IndyGunFreak: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:18.02 | P3t3 | selbeimanti sorry |
| 16:18.06 | IndyGunFreak | hmm,i wonder how i missed that |
| 16:18.16 | selbeimanti | P3t3: don't be :) |
| 16:18.31 | selbeimanti | just mentioning, because it's more likely you'll get an answer there |
| 16:18.39 | P3t3 | ok 10x |
| 16:18.59 | danilo__ | is there a way to remove some entries from menu.lst? |
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| 16:19.27 | danilo__ | If I do that and then update-grub menu.lst return at its first stage |
| 16:20.24 | valdyn | danilo__: so dont run update-grub |
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| 16:22.56 | danilo__ | valdyn, thanks it works |
| 16:22.58 | danilo__ | I was thinking that update-grub was necessary |
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| 16:23.14 | Piliman | Hi |
| 16:23.24 | Piliman | I'm new here!! |
| 16:23.33 | selbeimanti | welcome :) |
| 16:23.37 | Piliman | Hello |
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| 16:24.02 | selbeimanti | new to #debian, or to freenode/irc? |
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| 16:24.49 | Piliman | new in this channel |
| 16:25.03 | flikka | hi, i changed my username in debian, but my home folder is newnick:oldnick, i know i can change it with chown -R newnick:newnick ~ but the group newnick does not exist |
| 16:25.06 | Piliman | I use to connect to french channel |
| 16:25.18 | flikka | can i just add it ith addgroup newnick? |
| 16:25.23 | flikka | add it with* |
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| 16:25.29 | Piliman | Can somebody helps me to debug my vpn conf please |
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| 16:25.54 | Piliman | here is the conf file |
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| 16:26.01 | Piliman | http://pastebin.fr/5747 |
| 16:26.41 | hamush | flikka: try using groupmod to rename the group |
| 16:26.49 | hamush | that's probably what i would od |
| 16:27.33 | Piliman | to explain: I have a VPN on tun mode with a ccd conf file to get the route behind the vpn client |
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| 16:29.54 | Piliman | I would like the server to know system behind the client |
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| 16:31.56 | Piliman | From now I'm unable to ping host behind the client |
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| 16:32.11 | Piliman | do u know where to investigate?? |
| 16:33.07 | flikka | hamush: thx it worked |
| 16:34.42 | flokuehn | Piliman: did you check the routes with netstat -nr? |
| 16:34.48 | flikka | i've shanged my user name fron oldnick to newnick, but the home dir is still called /home/oldnick, i canät just mv it then it says "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" how to fix? |
| 16:34.58 | flokuehn | Piliman: on the server? |
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| 16:36.01 | hamush | flikka: you can change the location of your home directory with usermod |
| 16:36.19 | hamush | flikka: i would move it to what you want it to be and then let usermod know the new name |
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| 16:37.04 | Piliman | flokuehn: The route since correctly configure as I'm able to ping the client |
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| 16:37.22 | flikka | hamush: if i move it like this "mv /home/oldnick/ /home/newnick", and then? |
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| 16:38.00 | hamush | usermod -d /home/newnick newnick |
| 16:38.36 | flikka | hamush: u mean /home/oldnick newnick ? |
| 16:39.03 | flikka | and shouldn't i have -m too? |
| 16:39.18 | flikka | like usermod -d -m /home/oldnick newnick ? |
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| 16:40.01 | hamush | flikka: hmm... i guess what i really mean is "usermod -d /current/home/dir username"... i think you only need the -m option if you have not actually moved the directory yet |
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| 16:40.16 | flikka | ah |
| 16:40.17 | flikka | will try |
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| 16:41.10 | flokuehn | Piliman: and the route from client to host? |
| 16:41.10 | flokuehn | whats up with this |
| 16:41.10 | flikka | i did "usermod -d /home/oldnick newnick" and nothing happened |
| 16:41.17 | flokuehn | you also need to tell the client which route to use for packets destined to this subnet |
| 16:41.19 | flikka | i also did /home/newnick with no difference |
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| 16:42.46 | hamush | flikka: when you say nothing happened, do you mean that it didn't print anything? or that you logged out and back in and got the same error message? |
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| 16:43.52 | flikka | hamush: ah! |
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| 16:44.03 | flikka | it didn't print anything, like before |
| 16:44.07 | hamush | flikka: success? |
| 16:44.08 | flikka | but i see nw that it worked |
| 16:44.14 | hamush | woohoo! |
| 16:44.14 | flikka | i checked /etc/passwd |
| 16:44.20 | flikka | thx very much hamush |
| 16:44.41 | hamush | yeah, those oldschool unix commands often don't print anything if they succeed |
| 16:45.22 | flikka | yeah, i was confused because it didn't rpint anything before when i failed and it was the same now, but it worked eventually |
| 16:45.36 | ubsafder | what will be next kernel in the udates ? |
| 16:45.54 | ubsafder | for lenny |
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| 16:47.19 | XThief | how i can do so everytime i restart automatically makes ifup eth0:0 |
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| 16:48.26 | ale_ryu | hey guys, I'm having a little problem with the new nvidia proprietary drivers and squeeze, apparently they still look into /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/ for the libGL* files, but emul/ia32/ has been abandoned in favour of /usr/lib32. Is there a way to update my dynamic loader config to make it look there? I have tried ln to the old dir but I still have problems with google earth and wine. |
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| 16:52.05 | valdyn | ale_ryu: why do you think it has been abandoned? |
| 16:52.51 | ale_ryu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535547 it says so here |
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| 16:54.01 | valdyn | ale_ryu: the "new ia32-libs" package is gone |
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| 16:55.22 | hamush | XThief: maybe /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:56.13 | XThief | hamush: i configured that file, but to up the eth0:0 i have to put that command, and everytime i restart i have to put the command |
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| 16:57.08 | greycat | XThief: add another stanza in the interfaces file |
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| 16:57.17 | hamush | XThief: do you have a line in your interfaces file that begins with auto? does it specify eth0:0? |
| 16:57.26 | greycat | XThief: "auto eth0:0" and "iface eth0:0 inet static" and so on |
| 16:57.36 | ale_ryu | this are the errors thrown by the nvidia installer, maybe they'll be of use. http://pastebin.ca/1604588 I don't know what you mean by ia32-libs being gone |
| 16:57.58 | XThief | oh oh, thanks hamush & greycat |
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| 16:59.35 | keith4 | if I plug in a camera, gnome pops up a "what do you want to do?" dialog box. what, exactly, does the "import photos" button run? |
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| 17:00.27 | hamush | ale_ryu: you could try editing /etc/ld.so.conf (or adding a file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/) |
| 17:00.28 | ale_ryu | all right! thanks! |
| 17:00.41 | hamush | ale_ryu: after adding an entry you have to run ldconfig |
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| 17:02.33 | techouse | hey! i edited GRUB_GFXMODE= from 640x480 to 1440x900x32, but grub2 only goes to this resolution in the menu and that menu appears at the size of 640x480 in the top left corner; afterwards the loading text is 640x480 |
| 17:02.35 | techouse | any ideas? |
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| 17:03.49 | Rienzilla | hmm |
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| 17:17.21 | niklaswe | any ide about this problem http://niklas.allow.se/pidgin-error-debian.txt ? |
| 17:18.19 | techouse | pidginf -f ? |
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| 17:18.25 | techouse | pidgin -f |
| 17:18.29 | techouse | sry...typo |
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| 17:20.58 | niklaswe | techouse: will check that |
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| 17:21.56 | techouse | that should force the sucker to connect even though NetworkManager doesn't detect a network being connected |
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| 17:22.22 | danilo__ | is there a way to configure a static DNS even if I have a dynamic IP? I mean I would like to assign dinamically IP and static DNS to my eth0 |
| 17:23.06 | Rienzilla | in principe yes |
| 17:23.06 | petemc | danilo__: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 17:23.20 | Rienzilla | but Im not sure what the debian-approved way of doing that is |
| 17:23.27 | jogla | I have a problem with the iptables package included in debian, it has a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469548 |
| 17:23.41 | niklaswe | techouse: i got the same error, and pidgin hans about 5 sec hen someone writing something to me and i writing to someone |
| 17:23.42 | jogla | Unfortunately, that bugs brakes vpn with the firestarter package, too |
| 17:24.14 | jogla | Does anyone know how to workaround, or is there maybe a change that this gets fixed in lenny because it affects firestarter too? |
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| 17:24.36 | techouse | niklaswe: heh, dunno then....ask if anyone in #ubuntu had that problem and browse the debian or ubuntu forums....that's your best bet |
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| 17:25.34 | valdyn | judd: versions iptables |
| 17:25.35 | judd | valdyn: iptables -- etch: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 lenny: 1.4.2-6 sid: 1.4.4-2 squeeze: 1.4.4-2 |
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| 17:26.57 | danilo__ | petemc, thanks |
| 17:27.01 | niklaswe | techouse: hmm okey |
| 17:27.04 | mesa_booger | jogla: can you explain how the "bug" affects you. are you doing iptables --list somewhere ? |
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| 17:28.12 | jogla | Firestarter blocks vpnc, pptp und openvpn by default, and in its current version, that can only be fixed by writing something in /etc/firestarter/user-pre and then executing sh /etc/firestarter.sh start, according to their manual |
| 17:28.26 | jogla | If i do that, i get the error messages that appears in the bug report |
| 17:29.10 | jogla | The manual is here: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/fs-manual.pdf |
| 17:29.25 | mesa_booger | jogla: so what are you writing in /etc/firestarter/user-pre ? it must be wrong, or it wouldn't throw an unknown parameter error |
| 17:29.32 | jogla | Its described on page 27 |
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| 17:30.13 | mesa_booger | this isn't a debian error. it's a user failure |
| 17:30.15 | jogla | mesa_booger: http://nopaste.com/p/a2RMF60lD |
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| 17:32.06 | mesa_booger | one or more of those commands is wrong. find, and fix. this is NOT an iptables error. it is a user error. the bug you referred to shows the wrong error message, but the user is still issuing a bad command, nonetheless |
| 17:32.34 | jogla | I pasted it from the firestarter manual |
| 17:32.37 | mesa_booger | and take it up with the firestarter people |
| 17:32.47 | jogla | Ok |
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| 17:33.14 | mesa_booger | so jogla have you ever actually read "man iptables" ? |
| 17:33.30 | valdyn | jogla: why is there an enter after each --state in the last lines? |
| 17:34.50 | jogla | mesa_booger: No, that's why I'm using a graphical frontend, but i read the manual of that frontend |
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| 17:35.19 | jogla | Ahh, i figure those newlines are wrong |
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| 17:35.40 | jogla | It works now, thank you! |
| 17:35.51 | XThief | which one is the best way to uninstall a program? |
| 17:36.15 | XThief | apt-get remove ? |
| 17:36.21 | mesa_booger | XThief: completely purge ? |
| 17:36.24 | valdyn | XThief: theres no best |
| 17:36.30 | valdyn | XThief: they do different things |
| 17:36.37 | XThief | well i dont want the files |
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| 17:36.51 | mesa_booger | i use dpkg -P fwiw |
| 17:36.53 | valdyn | XThief: purge removes config files |
| 17:37.12 | valdyn | dpkg -P is probably not for people asking this question |
| 17:37.13 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, valdyn |
| 17:37.26 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 17:37.49 | XThief | so purge will remove all files? |
| 17:37.58 | valdyn | XThief: yes |
| 17:37.59 | XThief | apt-get remove --purge ? |
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| 17:38.03 | valdyn | XThief: yes |
| 17:38.13 | XThief | wont remove any files using in another program? |
| 17:38.44 | valdyn | XThief: remove or purge remove the package specified and all packages depending on the specified package |
| 17:39.13 | valdyn | XThief: apt-get is verbose enough for you to see whats going to happen, just read |
| 17:39.24 | XThief | valdyn: ok, so i can do apt-get remove --purge proftpd without worrying? |
| 17:39.32 | valdyn | XThief: yes |
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| 17:39.42 | XThief | valdyn: thx :) |
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| 17:40.16 | XThief | valdyn: i stop the daemon first, right? |
| 17:40.34 | Flomar | hello guys, i need a quick tip... is possible to view the size from the packages installed like a dpkg -l (with package size) |
| 17:40.34 | valdyn | XThief: no |
| 17:40.56 | XThief | valdyn: it can delete all the files even when the program is in use? |
| 17:41.13 | valdyn | XThief: it could, linux is not windows |
| 17:41.22 | XThief | valdyn: i see |
| 17:41.22 | valdyn | XThief: but in this case it will stop the daemon too |
| 17:41.40 | valdyn | XThief: theres no way to lock a file that prohibits deletion |
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| 17:41.49 | XThief | valdyn: i removed, and now if i type whereis proftpd still appear |
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| 17:42.44 | valdyn | XThief: run "hash -r" |
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| 17:43.01 | XThief | nothing happened |
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| 17:43.03 | valdyn | XThief: or that might not work, i dont know whereis |
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| 17:43.29 | valdyn | XThief: whereis finds manual pages? |
| 17:43.30 | hark | Flomar: with dpkg-query you can |
| 17:44.02 | XThief | valdyn: not sure haha i just use it to see if a program its installed |
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| 17:44.43 | valdyn | XThief: proftpd may consist of several packages |
| 17:44.57 | valdyn | XThief: so run "dpkg -S /path/to/file" to figure out its package |
| 17:45.18 | XThief | valdyn: oh, its telling me here to type apt-get autoremove |
| 17:46.06 | valdyn | XThief: go ahead after you read the list of packages and agree |
| 17:46.18 | XThief | did that |
| 17:46.18 | Flomar | hark, dpkg-query with which option? I tried -s, -W , -l, -L with no success... |
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| 17:46.48 | XThief | valdyn: now in the whereis proftpd the list is a lot smaller, only 1 directory |
| 17:47.09 | valdyn | XThief: "dpkg -S /path/to/directory" |
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| 17:47.23 | XThief | not found |
| 17:47.40 | valdyn | XThief: whereis is lying? |
| 17:47.53 | XThief | valdyn: looks like |
| 17:48.00 | hark | Flomar: -f |
| 17:48.02 | valdyn | XThief: does the directory exist? |
| 17:48.07 | XThief | valdyn: yes |
| 17:48.25 | XThief | with 5 conf files inside |
| 17:48.41 | XThief | why the purge didnt delete them? |
| 17:49.03 | hark | Flomar: and W |
| 17:49.04 | valdyn | XThief: you did not purge the packages covered by autoremove |
| 17:49.11 | XThief | valdyn: oh |
| 17:49.23 | XThief | valdyn: its apt-get autoremove --purge ? |
| 17:49.28 | valdyn | XThief: no idea |
| 17:49.31 | XThief | haha |
| 17:49.39 | XThief | i will just delete the folder |
| 17:49.42 | valdyn | XThief: no |
| 17:49.45 | XThief | no? |
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| 17:49.55 | valdyn | XThief: dont ever delete debian owned directories |
| 17:50.06 | XThief | valdyn: what can i do then? |
| 17:50.10 | hark | Flomar: dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' |
| 17:50.11 | valdyn | XThief: purge packages you autoremoved |
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| 17:50.22 | XThief | valdyn: i dont know how to do that |
| 17:50.25 | Flomar | hark, thanks, one more question: debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg-query -f -W grep dpkg-query: need an action option |
| 17:50.31 | valdyn | XThief: scroll back, get the list of packages |
| 17:50.38 | Flomar | hark, which action i put? sorry for the dummie question =/ |
| 17:50.42 | XThief | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:50.48 | XThief | valdyn: and i remove 1 by 1? |
| 17:50.55 | hark | Flomar: dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' |
| 17:51.08 | valdyn | XThief: and run "apt-get remove --purge ...." |
| 17:51.25 | Flomar | wow!!! hark thanks :D |
| 17:51.26 | valdyn | XThief: you can put all packages into the same command |
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| 17:51.35 | XThief | valdyn: how? |
| 17:52.04 | valdyn | XThief: apt-get remove --purge package1 package2 package3 |
| 17:52.07 | XThief | valdyn: well i finished |
| 17:52.25 | XThief | valdyn: but didnt delete the folder |
| 17:52.43 | valdyn | XThief: which directory? |
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| 17:53.05 | XThief | valdyn: /etc/proftpd |
| 17:53.06 | hark | Flomar: you can sort them as well: dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' |sort -n |
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| 17:55.36 | valdyn | XThief: just delete it, that directory is nowhere in debian |
| 17:55.55 | XThief | valdyn: ok, thx :D |
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| 17:57.18 | XThief | I dont know why people in forums say proftpd is better than vsftpd, vsftpd works much faster for me |
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| 17:57.47 | valdyn | !proftpd |
| 17:57.47 | dpkg | methinks proftpd is a professional GPL'd FTP server for UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. ProFTPd is also L33t as Flood's butt., down, something, dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... ask me about <vsftpd> if you don't need any ProFTPd specific features. Contributed tools and modules: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ . http://www.proftpd.org/ #proftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
| 17:57.48 | flikka | hamush: did i talk to you before? |
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| 17:58.01 | hamush | flikka: yeah |
| 17:58.16 | XThief | !vsftpd |
| 17:58.16 | dpkg | methinks vsftpd is the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 17:58.48 | flikka | hamush: could you give me the log of our conversation we had, i nee to see it again and i dont have any log of it. |
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| 17:58.53 | valdyn | oo |
| 17:58.53 | valdyn | !test |
| 17:58.54 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 17:58.59 | flikka | just copy it to pastebin or something |
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| 18:00.26 | linuss | hmm, I read that Eric S. Raymond focus on the pragmatic, he wanted to earn money with open source program, beside that any other good reason? |
| 18:00.41 | hamush | flikka: http://pastebin.com/m31943307 |
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| 18:01.18 | flikka | hamush: thank you very much sir |
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| 18:02.10 | hamush | flikka: no problem :) |
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| 18:03.15 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:04.01 | flower | what is a good dictionary for linux (fluxbox)? |
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| 18:04.46 | Vasistha | uhh... dict? :) |
| 18:05.11 | Vasistha | flower: or maybe you want something that actually stores the definitions on your hard drive, as opposed to accessing the internet for each lookup |
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| 18:07.11 | flower | Vasistha: I want to search for meaning of an English word for example... on my desktop |
| 18:07.32 | flikka | hamush: my home dir has the permissions drwx------ now, thats not right? |
| 18:07.37 | Vasistha | flower: I use the utility called 'dict' at the command line. It's handy. |
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| 18:08.35 | Vasistha | flower: you may need to install it, which is easy. I just type 'dict hemoglobin' at the command line and it gives me definitions from different sources, as well as thesaurus entries |
| 18:09.16 | hochron | valdyn? |
| 18:09.51 | flower | Vasistha: looks good thanks |
| 18:10.05 | flower | Vasistha: do I need to install additional tools for it? |
| 18:10.43 | Vasistha | flower: not afaik ... I mean, aptitude will take care of it for you if anything is needed. It's pretty simple, though. There might be a graphical one if you look around |
| 18:10.56 | flower | k |
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| 18:11.21 | hochron | valdyn told me to reinstall libgtk2.0-dbg but the package manager tells me it is not available, it say package libgtk2.0-0-dbg replaces it.... can I reinstall this? |
| 18:11.35 | valdyn | hochron: yea |
| 18:12.00 | hochron | thank you, good to know you are here |
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| 18:13.00 | flower | Vasistha: and if you want to translate a word from one lang to another? |
| 18:13.38 | Vasistha | flower: well, that is another question! I don't know a utility that does that but I bet there is one... and now that you mention it, I just might like to use such an app myself... I've been doing internet lookups. |
| 18:14.21 | flower | Vasistha: yeah a command tool would be good |
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| 18:14.50 | Vasistha | flower: although honestly that might be a more difficult problem. Whereas there are several reliable sources for english dictionary lookups, I don't think there are as many reliable sources for translation lookup. And it tends to vary by language. |
| 18:15.00 | bio-tty | how do i get a list of all packages that i deliberally installed, excluding the ones that i got as dependencies |
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| 18:16.41 | Vasistha | bio-tty: /usr/share/aptitude/README should be a good resource, something about "marked manual" or whatever. It's searchable. |
| 18:17.03 | hark | aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 18:17.34 | AimHere | bio-tty, you could fire up synaptic and sort the list of all packages by the leftmost icon. ls /usr/share/doc would probably work too |
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| 18:19.00 | Vasistha | bio-tty: here we go: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
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| 18:19.10 | bio-tty | AimHere: ls doc. hehe nice hack |
| 18:19.17 | sentor | hi |
| 18:20.03 | Vasistha | ls doc is going to list lots of automatically pulled dependencies, though |
| 18:20.14 | bio-tty | oh |
| 18:20.16 | AimHere | True, I didn't see the 'excluding' |
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| 18:20.27 | sentor | i have a router with lenny (voyage linux http://linux.voyage.hk/) and a client with lenny |
| 18:20.39 | bio-tty | the aptitude command is too it seems. i never installed busybox |
| 18:21.11 | sentor | why send the router not all html pages to the client, some come not to the client some not |
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| 18:21.25 | sentor | i have no proxy not fw for the test |
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| 18:21.57 | sentor | i can browse all pages from the router with w3m |
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| 18:22.59 | sentor | but not all with the client |
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| 18:23.37 | crescendo | What generates "/proc/cmdline" in initramfs? |
| 18:23.37 | Vasistha | bio-tty: well, ~M means "automatically installed". I think busybox is a system-critical item that was installed with debian |
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| 18:23.51 | Vasistha | bio-tty: ...erm, so '!~M' means not automatically installed. |
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| 18:24.25 | bio-tty | Vasistha: yes, i see. guess twm as well came with my bare debian distro |
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| 18:24.43 | bio-tty | Vasistha: its nice. thanks |
| 18:25.13 | Vasistha | np |
| 18:25.28 | Vasistha | !tell sentor about enter |
| 18:25.54 | hochron | this is the output of pidgin -d, could someone help me troubleshoot it? |
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| 18:26.58 | Vasistha | sentor: I really cannot parse this sentence: "why send the router not all html pages to the client, some come not to the client some not" -- what do you mean? I really have no idea what the problem is. Also, what is "the client"? |
| 18:27.16 | Vasistha | hochron: are you going to give us a pastebin link I hope? :) |
| 18:27.38 | hochron | ohh sorry http://pastebin.com/m28977cab |
| 18:28.14 | hochron | I never would have noticed that, thanks Vasistha for being on the ball |
| 18:28.36 | sentor | Vasistha: the router sends not all html pages to the client which is on eth0 of the router |
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| 18:28.58 | sentor | from within the router i can browse every page |
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| 18:29.31 | Vasistha | sentor: the router is a pentium computer, or something similar? |
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| 18:29.49 | hochron | I compiled some thing on here trying to get an emulator to work, so I might have problems with that |
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| 18:29.57 | Vasistha | hochron: have you asked #pidgin ? |
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| 18:30.19 | sentor | yes its an alix 2d3 http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm |
| 18:30.24 | techouse | is there a way to reset the bootsplash back to the default black? |
| 18:30.24 | hochron | Vasistha: no, I guess I should |
| 18:30.33 | techouse | i'm googling my ass off...nothing |
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| 18:31.33 | Vasistha | !bootsplash |
| 18:31.33 | dpkg | The bootsplash project (http://www.bootsplash.org/) previously provided Linux kernel patches and userspace utilities to enable a graphical boot process. Packaged for Debian as 'linux-patch-bootsplash' and 'bootsplash', these were removed post-Etch to resolve bugs #469776 and #436639 respectively. Superseded by the Splashy Project (no kernel patch required), ask me about <splashy>. |
| 18:32.21 | techouse | i know about splashy...ain't there just a simple initramfs-update way? |
| 18:33.10 | JPT | i tried bootsplash once... it did not look that good.. |
| 18:33.28 | JPT | and i did not manage to get the kernel bootsplash patch to run... so i gave up ;) |
| 18:33.43 | Vasistha | sentor: you know, you should really ask the Voyage Linux people. It looks like they have a mailing list: http://linux.voyage.hk/?q=mailing-lists |
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| 18:33.56 | techouse | i just wanna use grub2 instead of splashy |
| 18:34.04 | techouse | since it can be nicely customized :D |
| 18:34.10 | JPT | isn't gentoo coming with a very nice bootsplash? |
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| 18:35.40 | techouse | opensuse has one of the nicest imho |
| 18:36.04 | Vasistha | techouse: I don't have any idea, but if you want to stop using splashy, why don't you uninstall it, or ask #splashy if that doesn't work |
| 18:36.31 | JPT | hmm.. if you manage to get a cool bootsplash working, please write down how you did it ;) (i'd like to have one for at least 1024x786) :) |
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| 18:36.43 | techouse | i uninstalled it, but it still seems to be in the conf and won't let grub2's pic take over |
| 18:36.44 | techouse | :D |
| 18:36.52 | techouse | and i asked in #splashy ;) |
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| 18:37.03 | techouse | problem is, there's 4 ppl in that chan |
| 18:37.06 | sentor | Vasistha: but no irc ;-) |
| 18:37.16 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 18:37.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:37.21 | JPT | isn't splashy startet via /etc/init.d/... ? |
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| 18:37.58 | techouse | good idea |
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| 18:38.13 | JPT | :) |
| 18:38.26 | macrobat | meh, i just want a background image to the grub menu. cant find how to do it w grub2 |
| 18:38.32 | JPT | i remember that there were some symlinks in that environment you'd need to kill... |
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| 18:39.26 | techouse | macrobat: emm, 1 sec..i just did it |
| 18:39.34 | hochron | hmmm, nobody in #pidgin is talking, should I clean up the other programs I compiled?? It doesn't appear to have an error output |
| 18:40.26 | hochron | would a reboot help? |
| 18:40.55 | macrobat | :) |
| 18:42.14 | techouse | macrobat: you take a picture, resize it to the size your grub is gonna be, and converti it to either png, jpg, jpeg or tga and put it in a folder; then you edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme in line 16; you put in the folder inside the "{ }" and the name of the piture before ".{png,tga}"; then just run update-drub and that's it |
| 18:43.21 | techouse | make sure to set the res&bits of your grub2 menu in /etc/default/grub |
| 18:43.38 | justin | !wayttd hochron |
| 18:43.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hochron? |
| 18:43.41 | macrobat | ok, i had a pic with grub legacy. is ther some dokumentation on grub2 anywhere? the http://grub.enbug.org/ sucks bad |
| 18:43.58 | samnob | Anyone else's usb borked in Squeeze? |
| 18:43.59 | macrobat | ty, techouse |
| 18:44.05 | greycat | ask the #grub channel...? |
| 18:44.19 | hochron | Justin: I am trying to get pidgin to work :( |
| 18:44.30 | justin | hochron: what exactly did you do to make it not work? |
| 18:44.33 | macrobat | i have asked the #grub ppl to update their wiki :) |
| 18:45.24 | macrobat | the new pidgin has some extra features |
| 18:45.33 | hochron | justin: I think I tried to compile some programs, trying to get an emulator to work, and I should not have |
| 18:45.46 | justin | hochron: 'some programs' ? |
| 18:46.05 | hochron | gtk glibc tiff and pango are a few |
| 18:46.13 | justin | yeah, fail. |
| 18:46.23 | justin | how exactly did you compile those things? |
| 18:47.20 | hochron | gtk was giving me problems, ./configure make and make install, since I have run make uninstall in that dir |
| 18:47.40 | justin | hochron: mv /usr/local /usr/local.old |
| 18:47.51 | justin | hochron: apt-get install pidgin |
| 18:47.54 | justin | hochron: log out and back in |
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| 18:48.17 | hochron | justin: I erased everything in there as per instructions to get gtk to work |
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| 18:51.49 | hochron | justin: when you say log out and back in, do you mean pidgin? |
| 18:51.54 | justin | hochron: no |
| 18:52.37 | hochron | x? |
| 18:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds like an ubuntoo trick |
| 18:52.44 | justin | yep |
| 18:52.49 | hochron | ok |
| 18:53.25 | justin | no, if he installed random libs in /usr/local his session could be using them, logging out will kill everything and make sure the libs in /usr are being used |
| 18:54.06 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: maybe - but then to identify the unused/unwanted libs and purge them? |
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| 18:54.15 | justin | he already deleted them |
| 18:54.32 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - I didn't read the scrollback far enough ;) |
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| 18:58.22 | hochron | it still doesn't work :( |
| 18:58.22 | JyZyXEL | i need to apply a patch to one of the kernel modules, should i install the kernel source package and then apply the patch to it? |
| 18:58.24 | JyZyXEL | and then compile the module with module-assistant |
| 18:58.28 | carbonize | Hello, I am on Lenny. My old network card failed, so I replaced it with a new card. Now my network comes-up as 'eth1'. Is there a way I can revert it to 'eth0'? |
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| 18:58.38 | justin | carbonize: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:59.13 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 18:59.14 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 18:59.25 | carbonize | Jussi: thank you! I am looking into it |
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| 18:59.32 | simonrvn | carbonize: ^^ |
| 18:59.34 | carbonize | err ... justin, I meant |
| 18:59.44 | carbonize | simonrvn: thanks! |
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| 19:00.31 | hochron | glibc is a very vital part of debian I take it... |
| 19:00.38 | greycat | yes. |
| 19:00.45 | justin | hochron: my suggestion worked? |
| 19:00.48 | simonrvn | um, yes... |
| 19:01.08 | hochron | justin: no |
| 19:01.19 | justin | hochron: you didn't run ./configure --prefix=/usr before, did you? |
| 19:01.52 | hochron | justin: no |
| 19:02.05 | justin | hochron: do you have anything left in /usr/local? |
| 19:02.13 | hochron | justin: no |
| 19:02.43 | justin | then there shouldn't be any lasting changes |
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| 19:04.30 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.31 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.55 | justin | bbelt16ag: was that a question? |
| 19:05.25 | hochron | justin: I cant remember if I got glibc to compile, I have its sources.... |
| 19:05.38 | justin | hochron: stop compiling things. |
| 19:05.53 | greycat | You should NOT compile GNU libc on a Debian system. |
| 19:06.03 | hochron | justin: now I know this |
| 19:06.56 | wizL | how to install kde4? |
| 19:07.09 | naquad | any ideas on OpenID server? CommunityID kills my php |
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| 19:07.54 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 19:07.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 19:09.48 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 19:09.53 | bbelt16ag | dvd burning issues |
| 19:10.09 | epifanio | hi All |
| 19:10.16 | epifanio | do you know how to install firefox 3.5 on debian sid ? |
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| 19:10.34 | bbelt16ag | it burned one minute and not that next i am about to pull my hair out i got like a 100 dvds i gotta burn and i am stuck with the manual process ofputting all theinfo in now. GAH and having to pray it dont fail and eat my disc. |
| 19:10.46 | hochron | do I have to reinstall debian to get it to work? |
| 19:11.19 | markybob | epifanio, get it from experimental http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel |
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| 19:12.09 | greycat | or you could install upstream firefox in /usr/local |
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| 19:16.13 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 19:16.39 | elli222 | anyone on 64 bit here? |
| 19:16.51 | justin | !+any one |
| 19:16.58 | justin | kicks the bot |
| 19:17.02 | patrikf | !anyone |
| 19:17.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:17.05 | justin | ah :) |
| 19:18.06 | hochron | am I s.o.l.? |
| 19:18.06 | elli222 | fine, does anyone use libopenal onm a 64 bit system with the pulse backend driver? |
| 19:18.14 | elli222 | im having problems with it |
| 19:18.16 | bbelt16ag | can somebody write me a script to burn dvds, one files from a directory for each disc and set the name for all the discs? so i can burn them one after another? |
| 19:18.19 | justin | elli222: problems? |
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| 19:18.40 | macrobat | !tell wizL about install kde4 |
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| 19:18.48 | elli222 | justin, well, the applicaton hangs... |
| 19:18.58 | justin | bbelt16ag: man growisofs ? |
| 19:19.22 | bbelt16ag | i got a script its failing every other burn |
| 19:19.26 | macrobat | lenny still has kde3 i think |
| 19:19.30 | elli222 | justin, but with a recent openal-soft (from git) it runs fine, but openal dosent give any audio |
| 19:19.31 | bbelt16ag | it went 5 urns yesterdaya nd the failed |
| 19:19.35 | bbelt16ag | nothing in dmesg. |
| 19:19.38 | bbelt16ag | burns |
| 19:20.00 | bbelt16ag | k3b is burnin its second disc which looks like it will be successfull |
| 19:20.11 | bbelt16ag | i have no idea what is wrong at this point. |
| 19:20.31 | bbelt16ag | nothing was broke 4 months ago. |
| 19:20.38 | bbelt16ag | i was burnning just fine. |
| 19:20.45 | justin | bbelt16ag: 'failed' ? |
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| 19:21.59 | bbelt16ag | not burned? |
| 19:22.04 | bbelt16ag | crash |
| 19:22.08 | bbelt16ag | die |
| 19:22.10 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.16 | bbelt16ag | the big pie in the sky? |
| 19:22.21 | justin | bbelt16ag: you really need to learn how to ask questions |
| 19:22.23 | themill | !enter |
| 19:22.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:22.28 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1600008 |
| 19:22.33 | bbelt16ag | there is my pastebin. |
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| 19:23.06 | bbelt16ag | yeah i get that alot. |
| 19:23.19 | greycat | Taking the time to collect your thoughts and present the problem clearly and concisely is an important first step in solving it. |
| 19:24.22 | bbelt16ag | time? what time? its falling through my hands like sand from a broken hour glass. |
| 19:24.34 | bbelt16ag | anyways. |
| 19:24.38 | bbelt16ag | did the apstbin help |
| 19:24.52 | justin | :-[ WRITE@LBA=181f0h failed with SK=0h/ASC=00h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error |
| 19:24.52 | justin | looks like your drive is having issues |
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| 19:24.59 | bbelt16ag | its not the drive i said i switched them! |
| 19:25.00 | justin | try burning at a slower speed, or maybe you just need a new drive |
| 19:25.18 | bbelt16ag | ok i will burn at 10X |
| 19:25.32 | justin | does it fail at the same percent every time? |
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| 19:26.08 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 19:26.15 | greycat | what burning software are you using? that SK= crap looks like growisofs. |
| 19:26.20 | justin | yes |
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| 19:26.29 | greycat | try cdrecord instead...? |
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| 19:26.43 | justin | joergware? heh |
| 19:26.46 | bbelt16ag | you wanna write me a script? |
| 19:27.00 | greycat | It is not our job to do your job for you. |
| 19:27.08 | bbelt16ag | i seriously dont got the time to write another one. |
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| 19:27.19 | greycat | Then undo whatever you did that made it stop working. |
| 19:27.25 | bbelt16ag | i dont understand wy my script is failing. |
| 19:27.39 | bbelt16ag | thats the problem i dont know what i did. nothing has changed except my packages. |
| 19:27.46 | greycat | Newer kernel? Newer version of growisofs? Newer version of whatever ISO-creation front-end, if any? |
| 19:27.59 | greycat | Try the old one? |
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| 19:28.06 | bbelt16ag | i did |
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| 19:29.11 | bbelt16ag | yes newer kernel |
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| 19:30.16 | bbelt16ag | how do i check the version on grow |
| 19:30.33 | bbelt16ag | what do you mean by iso creation front end? |
| 19:30.38 | greycat | it's in the dvd+rw-tools package, I believe. |
| 19:30.55 | greycat | how do you not know what your own software is? |
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| 19:31.43 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to understand you terminology |
| 19:32.25 | bbelt16ag | what is the iso creation front end? are you talking abou the script or the growiso software that is the nubts and bolts of burning a dvd? |
| 19:32.36 | bbelt16ag | there is no gui its all cli if that is what your asking |
| 19:32.39 | greycat | whatever creates the ISO 9660 image that growisofs burns onto the disc |
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| 19:32.51 | greycat | mkisofs, or maybe growisofs has that built in, I don't know. |
| 19:33.08 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1600008 thats the script. |
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| 19:33.48 | bbelt16ag | under brun_cmd = i believe that is what your refering to. |
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| 19:33.55 | bbelt16ag | burn_cmd |
| 19:34.58 | bbelt16ag | trying to burn at 10X might take two tried since it might actually work on the first disc. |
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| 19:37.11 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: drive broken or disk broken, why would it not be what the error actually sais? |
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| 19:38.34 | greycat | 15:24 bbelt16ag> its not the drive i said i switched them! |
| 19:38.57 | valdyn | could just aswell be the psu |
| 19:39.00 | valdyn | we canot debug hardware |
| 19:39.01 | greycat | try the cdwrite mailing list. Andy (growisofs maintainer) reads it. |
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| 19:39.34 | greycat | Joerg will also invite you to try cdrecord. |
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| 19:45.24 | bbelt16ag | well it looks like i could just switch out the cmds in the script. |
| 19:45.37 | bbelt16ag | i am still testing to see if its being burnt at too fast of speed |
| 19:45.48 | bbelt16ag | 2nd disc is going now. |
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| 19:46.00 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: you dont need to burn |
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| 19:46.34 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: unless you know already that the error is not reproducable in write simulation |
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| 19:47.18 | bbelt16ag | its intermittent though if i simulate it may not show up right? |
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| 19:47.44 | bbelt16ag | if its a hardware issue i dont got the money to fix it anyways |
| 19:47.51 | cwheeler | bbelt16ag my dvd burner didn't burn properly with debian, I replaced the debian kernel with the same version kernel from kernel.org and it fixed the problem |
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| 19:48.06 | bbelt16ag | ok. |
| 19:48.10 | bbelt16ag | what version? |
| 19:48.19 | valdyn | this is esoterik |
| 19:48.24 | cwheeler | who should I contact to help fix that? |
| 19:48.41 | cwheeler | 2.6.26.8 |
| 19:48.42 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.43 | hochron | in #pidgin they told me Ive got to download the latest pidgin, now can I compile that? |
| 19:49.11 | cwheeler | any 2.6.26 kernel seems to work with debian 5 |
| 19:49.23 | Kobaz | 2.6.31 also works fine |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | hochron: why the latest? |
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| 19:49.43 | valdyn | judd: versions pidgin |
| 19:49.43 | judd | valdyn: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo50+2 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 19:49.47 | greycat | I would start by taking a KNOWN GOOD iso image file and burning it straight to disc using both growisofs and cdrecord. |
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| 19:50.11 | greycat | whichever one wins, wins. |
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| 19:50.21 | valdyn | known good? |
| 19:50.24 | macrobat | hochron: a guide http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 19:50.26 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 19:50.27 | valdyn | uu |
| 19:50.39 | hochron | valdyn: cause aptitude only has 2.4.3 and they want me to use 2.6.2 |
| 19:50.45 | greycat | valdyn: in other words, not one that he produced himself with unknown software |
| 19:50.45 | kaimian | hi all |
| 19:50.53 | bbelt16ag | that would be another porject once i finish moving here next weekend. |
| 19:50.55 | bbelt16ag | project |
| 19:51.00 | cwheeler | the guy who wrote cdrecord says wodim & growisofs are broken but growisofs works for me with the kernel.org kernel |
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| 19:51.19 | hochron | thanks macrobat! |
| 19:51.46 | AimHere | The guy who wrote cdrecord is a bit of an asshole |
| 19:52.12 | cwheeler | so I've noticed |
| 19:52.15 | avu | gotta love the schilling |
| 19:52.47 | cwheeler | I'm telling you what I found out fixing my dvd burner in hopes of helping |
| 19:53.05 | AimHere | Presumably the 'brokenness' means it isn't using some bizarre combination of solaris-centric number codes to denote your CDrom drive, and not plugging his egregious unfree DVD burning program |
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| 19:53.23 | greycat | it's free now. he GPLed it. |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn | greycat: gpled it but with restrictions iirc |
| 19:54.08 | valdyn | greycat: which is why it was forked |
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| 19:55.13 | valdyn | hochron: backports.org has 2.6.2 for lenny |
| 19:55.13 | AimHere | GPLed? About time, though it's too late to entice me back to using xcdroast. |
| 19:55.31 | hochron | tank you caldyn |
| 19:55.38 | hochron | tank you valdyn |
| 19:55.38 | cwheeler | anyway what I found with my burner is the problem is in the debian kernel |
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| 19:56.13 | valdyn | cwheeler: youre saying that you fixed it with a kernel.org kernel version 2.6.26 ? |
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| 19:56.45 | cwheeler | yes |
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| 19:57.07 | valdyn | cwheeler: debian has broken block layer ( hd* ) drivers enabled where the experimental libata drivers work |
| 19:57.13 | cwheeler | d/l the source, configured it with the .config from the debian kernel and compiled/installed it the debian way |
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| 19:57.25 | cwheeler | I used the debian config |
| 19:57.25 | valdyn | cwheeler: ok, thats not it then |
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| 19:58.19 | cwheeler | I remember the old days, when we compiled our kernel at least once a week whether it needed it or not |
| 19:59.11 | zleap | I remember the old days when you had to completely reinstall windows to restore decent performance, oh thats still the case, lol |
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| 19:59.22 | cwheeler | hahahaha |
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| 19:59.48 | cwheeler | M$ support once told us to reinstall NT every 90 days to keep it "fresh" |
| 19:59.58 | lghtng | any word on what the ultimate plan is going to be about squeeze and /etc/network/interfaces vs. /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-setting.conf? |
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| 20:00.57 | greycat | oh dear gods, are they planning on changing the network configuration *again* |
| 20:00.57 | kaimian | grub2 no debian squeeze, como faço pra bootar o windows? |
| 20:00.59 | greycat | ? |
| 20:01.32 | greycat | kaimian: I had that on my other computer, but that computer is gone now.... |
| 20:01.34 | markybob | !pt |
| 20:01.34 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 20:01.45 | lghtng | there is just an upgrade to squeeze issue with two possible solutions and no clear choice recommendation |
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| 20:02.02 | greycat | "leave it the hell alone" isn't a clear choice? |
| 20:02.02 | lghtng | they need to 'deliberate' |
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| 20:04.30 | bbelt16ag | thanks peeps i appreciate the help |
| 20:04.51 | ret | omg |
| 20:04.52 | ret | i just came |
| 20:04.59 | ret | ...wrong server |
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| 20:11.21 | keyhack | anyone in here with experience with tun/tap? |
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| 20:12.32 | patrikf | !anyone |
| 20:12.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:14.02 | keyhack | I'm trying to configure my Debian server to send all traffic received to the box for 10.132.0.0/14 to tun0 for my userspace program to handle the packets. I can confirmed that packets originating locally on the box route correctly but those coming externally do not, any ideas? |
| 20:14.38 | cwheeler | keyhack packets coming externally arrive on a different interface? |
| 20:14.45 | JoshH | is forwarding on? |
| 20:15.20 | greycat | keyhack: make sure your iptables rule specifies that packets arriving on eth0 (or whatever) get treated |
| 20:15.39 | keyhack | cwheeler: yes, the packets arrive on the real interface, eth0 |
| 20:15.55 | keyhack | greycat: I believe I have default iptables (no rules) |
| 20:16.06 | keyhack | JoshH: I will have to check |
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| 20:16.07 | greycat | keyhack: also... when I set up my iptables rule to redirect traffic on my mail server, I ended up having to run the redirected-to server process on a DIFFERENT tcp port than the port the packets arrived on. |
| 20:16.25 | keyhack | greycat: these will be UDP packets, fwiw |
| 20:16.32 | JoshH | keyhack: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:16.42 | greycat | keyhack: I forget the details right now, but something about the process listening on loopback only, but the iptables not setting the packets so that the process that ONLY listened on loopback could actually see them |
| 20:16.46 | JoshH | should be 1 |
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| 20:17.08 | greycat | JoshH: I don't think that matters |
| 20:17.20 | greycat | keyhack: in any case: #iptables |
| 20:17.23 | JoshH | maybe if i'm misunderstanding the problem |
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| 20:17.56 | greycat | all I know is I'm glad I switched my firewall to OpenBSD at home. iptables... *shudder* |
| 20:18.03 | keyhack | JoshH: it is currently set to 0, I can change that |
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| 20:18.42 | keyhack | JoshH/greycat: the Cisco switch has a static route to send the two 10.132.0.0 and 10.140.0.0 subnets to my server (10.141.130.x) which is on eth0, and I simply need to send those two subnet's packets to the virtual tun0 interface |
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| 20:19.59 | greycat | keyhack: #iptables |
| 20:20.06 | keyhack | JoshH: that fixed it! :-) |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | argh... which /list says "moved to #netfilter" now. |
| 20:20.23 | greycat | keyhack: #netfilter |
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| 20:20.34 | JoshH | yay |
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| 20:21.06 | AngusRF | y |
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| 20:26.32 | bbelt16ag | ok peeps IT is not the HARDWARE i just ran the script on another DIFF machine with DIFF old hardware running lenny 5.0 32bit i blieve. and it failed |
| 20:27.10 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:27.10 | justin | bbelt16ag: same disks? |
| 20:27.30 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 20:27.36 | bbelt16ag | i only got these i cant test others |
| 20:28.01 | bbelt16ag | seriously is it the disks? |
| 20:28.12 | greycat | I don't know growisofs well enough to guess. |
| 20:28.23 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 20:28.37 | bbelt16ag | thish sucks i will be here all wekend typing things into k3b |
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| 20:30.33 | FireFight | hello world |
| 20:30.38 | bbelt16ag | sigh waht if i boot DSL and use that? |
| 20:31.02 | FireFight | gcc problem trying to configure pykota any advise? |
| 20:31.08 | nick_h | is it possible to capture changes to multiple files in a single patch? |
| 20:31.45 | nick_h | i've been using "diff -up file.old file.new >file.patch" to generate my patches so far, but that doesn't allow me to generate a single patch for changes to multiple files |
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| 20:33.10 | AimHere | Don't know the exact options you'd need, but diff does have a -r option for recursive subdirectory traversing |
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| 20:33.59 | AimHere | 'man diff', or better still, 'info diff' will have more |
| 20:34.13 | nick_h | AimHere: ah, good point. i'll need a complete copy of the original directory, but that should work. thanks |
| 20:34.37 | LemensTS | hey all. I boot a little netbook from usb (no cdrom), and its wanting to detect and mount cd-rom before it will install from cd...but i dont have a cd im booting from usb....what do i do? |
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| 20:41.06 | pobega | LemensTS: not doing a netinstall? Installing from a regular CD-image? |
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| 20:43.02 | LemensTS | yea from regular cdimage...i used unetbootin |
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| 20:44.39 | pobega | LemensTS: Is the base system installing? What I mean to ask is is the installer choking on installing the packages from the CD because it can't FIND a CD-Rom device? |
| 20:46.30 | LemensTS | yea it cant find the cd rom, then when i tries to install it says hey there is no cdrom to install from |
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| 20:48.13 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:48.38 | Agiofws | can someone please tell me how to eliminate these messages ... from apt-get ? |
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| 20:49.05 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/66803 |
| 20:49.07 | JPT | Agiofws: you can pass -q or -qq as options |
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| 20:49.18 | Agiofws | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 |
| 20:49.19 | Agiofws | ? |
| 20:49.29 | Prenax | hello |
| 20:49.31 | JPT | Agiofws: you want to put the gpg-key for the repo into the apt-database due to security reasons |
| 20:49.44 | Prenax | !cmd |
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| 20:49.55 | Agiofws | JPT, how do i do that ? |
| 20:50.01 | themill | Agiofws: apt-key is your friend for this. And don't mix debian and ubuntu repos.... |
| 20:50.01 | JPT | hmm..let's see |
| 20:50.18 | themill | dpkg: tell Agiofws about secure apt |
| 20:50.18 | Agiofws | i don't think i have ... |
| 20:50.20 | JPT | Agiofws: wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
| 20:50.22 | Agiofws | apt-key ? |
| 20:50.23 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 20:50.37 | JPT | as it says on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 20:50.38 | JPT | :) |
| 20:50.51 | pobega | LemensTS: This won't solve your problem, but have you tried a netinst? |
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| 20:51.45 | Agiofws | 2009-10-08 23:51:44 (529 KB/s) - `-' saved [1933/1933] ? |
| 20:51.46 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:51.55 | JPT | and apt-get update again |
| 20:51.58 | JPT | it should work now |
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| 20:53.32 | LemensTS | pobega nope i guess i can |
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| 20:54.08 | LemensTS | pobega: no wait that is what im trying to do |
| 20:54.23 | LemensTS | i ripped the netinst cd to the usb drive |
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| 20:56.48 | Agiofws | themill, i am still getting this message http://codepad.org/wxDJH821 |
| 20:56.55 | Agiofws | do i have to comment out a repo ? |
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| 20:57.52 | themill | Agiofws: there are a lot of things wrong here: why are you trying to mix sarge and intrepid? why are you trying to use sarge at all? sarge-backports hasn't existed for a while as sarge is unsupported. |
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| 20:59.27 | Agiofws | ok then i'll comment it outr |
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| 21:00.22 | Agiofws | themill, no i am getting the gpg error |
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| 21:01.26 | themill | Agiofws: are you using ubuntu intrepid or not? (Hint: it's a yes/no question) |
| 21:02.19 | Agiofws | i don't think so themill |
| 21:02.25 | Agiofws | how can i be sure ? |
| 21:02.38 | Agiofws | i have not mixed ubuntu repos though ... |
| 21:02.51 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.11 | themill | Agiofws: ummm... you presumably did the installation yourself so you'd know. You have an ubuntu ppa compiled against intrepid in your sources.list. |
| 21:03.11 | marcty_ | In / Out read error, Is that the end of the drive |
| 21:03.14 | marcty_ | or the filesystem? |
| 21:03.57 | Agiofws | an ubuntu ppa ? |
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| 21:04.06 | marcty_ | ???? |
| 21:04.14 | Agiofws | intrepid ? |
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| 21:04.27 | themill | Agiofws: look at your sources.list.... |
| 21:04.44 | marcty_ | In / Out read error, Is that the end of the drive |
| 21:04.49 | marcty_ | or JUST the filesystem? |
| 21:05.04 | marcty_ | the best way to backup must be to burn the data on blueray disc? |
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| 21:05.38 | Agiofws | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main |
| 21:05.39 | Agiofws | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main |
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| 21:08.13 | ale__ | buona sera |
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| 21:09.18 | Agiofws | gpg --keyserver --recv 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 && gpg --armor --export 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:09.18 | Agiofws | gpg: can't open `5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5' |
| 21:09.19 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 21:16.44 | OpenTokix | Agiofws: you have to supply a keyserver to |
| 21:16.58 | helo | what shell can i set that will only allow ssh login (and port binding)? |
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| 21:19.13 | xyan | which cpufreq governor would be the most energy efficient one, conservative switching between 3 different clockspeeds or ondemand switching between minimum and maximum clockspeed? |
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| 21:22.51 | dondelelcaro | xyan: depends on what you're doing |
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| 21:26.18 | xyan | dondelelcaro: my thinking is the faster the task is done the less energy gets consumed, so running a task at 1.66ghz takes less time then running it at 1.33ghz. hence ondemand would be more efficient |
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| 21:30.31 | linux2 | can anyone think of an easy way to reinstall the grub boot loader? |
| 21:30.56 | linux2 | I am using the debian install CD right now to try and attempt a reinstall but no matter what I do I can't seem to quite get it to work |
| 21:31.49 | ville | Hello just installed 5.0.3 and then dist-upgrade to testing, to my surprise there doesn't seem to be nvidia-driver package for the 2.26.30 kernel. Where could I get one? |
| 21:31.50 | xyan | linux2: the installer provides a console where you could call grub-install yourself i think |
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| 21:32.18 | ville | sorry nvidia-kernel package. |
| 21:33.05 | linux2 | xyan, yeah I am trying that, but the drive is on a compaq scsi raid controller and I mounted the root directory and chrooted to the mounted drive, but grub-installer cannot find the drive because it doesn't exist in the chroot |
| 21:33.08 | xyan | ville: use 2.6.26 then? |
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| 21:33.32 | xyan | linux2: bind mount /dev to the chroot |
| 21:33.33 | ville | xyan, I guess fair enough - figured enough people had hit the same thing. |
| 21:33.53 | linux2 | xyan, humm I hadn't thought about that. let me give it a try |
| 21:34.04 | AimHere | linux2, I recommend always having a decent full-featured liveCD/DVD/flash stick, such as knoppix, handy for this sort of eventuality |
| 21:35.19 | xyan | linux2: you dont even have to chroot you could mount it and provide --root-directory=/path/to/the/chroot to grub-install |
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| 21:36.08 | linux2 | xyan, I already tried that and for whatever reason it just simply doesn't work |
| 21:36.25 | Shiba | is there a way to set up interfaces in network with no associated address? |
| 21:36.36 | xyan | linux2: there should be an error message whenever something fails |
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| 21:36.56 | linux2 | xyan, hang on, I can provide it in one second |
| 21:36.58 | Shiba | for example, I want a tap device to be brought up but have no IP address assigned (since it will be used for routing) |
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| 21:37.01 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps i got this output from dmesg |
| 21:37.03 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1605250 |
| 21:37.12 | bbelt16ag | any ideas on what it means for my dvd burner not burning? |
| 21:37.31 | linux2 | xyan, the error is "Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 21:37.51 | bbelt16ag | did my sata port have a bug? |
| 21:37.54 | Shiba | bbelt16ag: dead or braindead hardware |
| 21:38.02 | Shiba | bbelt16ag: get a new DVD RW |
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| 21:38.21 | xyan | linux2: mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 21:38.35 | Shiba | blu-ray writers can be had on ebay for like $150 these days |
| 21:38.51 | Shiba | new from e.g. newegg for $200 |
| 21:39.13 | Shiba | and blu-ray is nice :) |
| 21:39.33 | SPF | I'm upgrading one system from etch to lenny. But for wine, the lenny/main does not exist |
| 21:39.46 | Shiba | I can even watch BD video in Linux with DumpHD and mplayer |
| 21:39.47 | SPF | in sources.list |
| 21:40.01 | bbelt16ag | this is the second dvd rw |
| 21:40.06 | linux2 | xyan, ok now I can't seem to mount the drive |
| 21:40.16 | bbelt16ag | i switched them out already still have same problem. |
| 21:40.17 | Shiba | then you've got a problem with your SATA port or controller |
| 21:40.24 | bbelt16ag | i tried all new Hw and had same problem. |
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| 21:40.32 | linux2 | it is saying "mount: mounting /dev/ida/c0d0p1 on temp/ failed: Invalid argument" |
| 21:40.34 | Shiba | try blowing it out with a can of air, otherwise you'll need a new motherboard |
| 21:40.54 | bbelt16ag | the only thng not diff is Os and discs |
| 21:40.57 | bbelt16ag | and my script |
| 21:41.22 | xyan | linux2: you mount the root at first and dev after that, so what are you doing?! huh |
| 21:41.46 | linux2 | I rebooted and now I'm just trying to mount the drive |
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| 21:42.16 | xyan | linux2: check dmesg / syslog |
| 21:42.58 | linux2 | xyan, ok, I figured it out. had to load the module for the stupid compaq array controller |
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| 21:44.56 | linux2 | xyan, ok thanks for your help. it appears to have installed correctly |
| 21:45.00 | linux2 | xyan, let me reboot it |
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| 21:47.21 | linux2 | xyan, ok... it's working. thanks again |
| 21:47.28 | xyan | no problem |
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| 21:50.11 | Maithai2 | could anyone tell me, how to apply a .patch file which got patches for more than 1 file (different paths) in it? |
| 21:51.14 | enmerkar | Maithai2: man patch, --dry-run if in doubt |
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| 21:51.50 | Maithai2 | enmerkar: thanks |
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| 21:55.36 | edwin_quijada | hi! |
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| 21:56.05 | Shiba | is there any way to set up a network interface with _no_ _address_? |
| 21:56.20 | edwin_quijada | I have a server with Core2Duo processor and 8gb ram and I use a kernel amd64 bt with this kernel I get a kernel panic |
| 21:56.36 | Shiba | i.e. I want tap0 to be created and brought up but have no assigned address |
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| 21:57.38 | mns | I am trying to share my music via Rhythmbox with other people who are using iTunes. I've got sharing enabled (DAAP plugin is enabled and configured to share, no password is needed). Other people on the network do not see what I am sharing though. Am I missing something ? |
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| 21:58.20 | edwin_quijada | I am missing something about mem and processor and kernel |
| 21:58.22 | edwin_quijada | ? |
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| 22:04.48 | QueCosa | hola |
| 22:05.18 | QueCosa | estoy configurando una ap |
| 22:05.28 | markybob | !es |
| 22:05.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:05.36 | QueCosa | cuando entro a la consola me pide que coloque este comando pero no lo entiendo |
| 22:05.42 | QueCosa | ip_address -l [local ip address] -h [remote server address] |
| 22:06.05 | QueCosa | coloca la ip local y remota |
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| 22:06.49 | markybob | how do you make someone read the factoids that are spit out? :P |
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| 22:16.13 | jaggz | what does it mean if my -12v sensor says 3.7 and is setting off an alarm? |
| 22:16.25 | jaggz | it's happening as the day gets warmer |
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| 22:16.58 | jaggz | is it dangerous or should I change the alarm voltage? |
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| 22:18.59 | peterrooney | markybob: if i recall rightly, it's !tell <someone> about <something> |
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| 22:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that wasnt what he asked |
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| 22:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, glowing-red irons might work.... |
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| 22:26.49 | themill | q |
| 22:26.52 | themill | gah |
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| 22:40.48 | gawen | hi, is there a way to install debian testing from an usb stick ? |
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| 22:43.47 | ProGenY | trying to disable root from ssh but cant find PermitRootLogin do i need to add that in the config |
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| 22:45.16 | gawen | ProGenY, yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 22:50.04 | ProGenY | did all the changes and did ssh restart i get the Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. but still i am able to loogin as root and on port 22 wired |
| 22:50.26 | ProGenY | or do i have to close all ssh sesions for the change to take efect |
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| 22:56.37 | gawen | ProGenY, try /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 22:57.27 | Heyoka | gawen: debian testing I am not sure but you can extract --->http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso to a usbstick then syslinux /dev/sdX, then mv isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg and then update lenny to testing this works fine for me but you net internet during installation |
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| 22:59.11 | gawen | Heyoka, thanks. I'll try this |
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| 23:01.52 | Heyoka | gawen: testing works too http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 23:05.17 | ProGenY | gawen: thnx that didnt do it eather i think i am gona have to close all sesions or restart the entire VPS |
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| 23:06.48 | ranix | ProGenY: inspect /etc/init.d/sshd to ensure it is not feeding a different conf file to sshd than you think it is and are editing the correct one |
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| 23:20.45 | macrobat | how do i run a javascript from iceweasel-greasemonkey? |
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| 23:24.34 | callerten | macrobat, you install userscripts from within iceweasel, I believe, and then they run on the pages specified? |
| 23:25.03 | Simon14 | whats a good way to get debian to connect to the internet on boot using dhcp? |
| 23:25.21 | dondelelcaro | Simon14: by default on install, that's what's done. |
| 23:25.55 | dondelelcaro | Simon14: if for some reason you didn't do that, you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:26.05 | Simon14 | ok |
| 23:26.09 | Simon14 | i'll take a look at that |
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| 23:28.13 | macrobat | callerten: so i have to place the script on a webpage first? :) |
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| 23:28.43 | callerten | You could browse to it on your local filesystem, I believe? |
| 23:29.05 | callerten | file:///home/user/foo/bar |
| 23:29.45 | callerten | and then install it from that directory; not sure if there's another way to import scripts to it directly |
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| 23:30.26 | macrobat | it just opens a s a text file. it doesnt do anything |
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| 23:30.44 | callerten | "Installation of a script is most often done by clicking a link on a web page. One may also drag-and-drop a local file into the browser window, or optionally use the menu bar File â Open File... dialog to open it." |
| 23:30.53 | callerten | http://wiki.greasespot.net/Greasemonkey_Manual:Installing_Scripts |
| 23:31.26 | callerten | "Any file that ends in .user.js is a valid Greasemonkey user script," |
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| 23:34.35 | CosaNostra | TOPIC IS #DEBIAN: Welcome to ... |
| 23:34.52 | CosaNostra | AVATAR: AJAX |
| 23:34.59 | CosaNostra | Hi. |
| 23:35.06 | macrobat | ty, callerten |
| 23:35.15 | themill | CosaNostra: do you have a debian support question we can help you with? |
| 23:35.20 | callerten | You're welcome |
| 23:35.31 | CosaNostra | Yes, I want to install Debian without Ethernet. |
| 23:35.41 | CosaNostra | I mean, with Ethernet, but no Internet. |
| 23:36.09 | callerten | You want to do a netinstall from another computer? |
| 23:36.32 | CosaNostra | My ISP is banning non-html/jpeg MIME-type Internet access. :( |
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| 23:37.07 | CosaNostra | So I plan to download the .iso images, but the connection is closed by ISP every 2 MB or so. |
| 23:37.14 | callerten | hmm |
| 23:37.23 | callerten | they ban non-http protocol too? |
| 23:37.28 | CosaNostra | Yes |
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| 23:37.40 | macrobat | thats an evil isp. there are debian dvds |
| 23:37.45 | CosaNostra | Everything not to port 80, and I have to use their DNS. |
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| 23:37.58 | CosaNostra | It's also NAT. :\ |
| 23:38.04 | callerten | that sounds like a bad ISP... one way or other, though you have to get the image to install from |
| 23:38.07 | Kovensky | ssh tunnel over https? |
| 23:38.11 | Kovensky | they can't block 443 |
| 23:38.15 | callerten | good idea |
| 23:38.15 | Kovensky | or filter it |
| 23:38.22 | CosaNostra | Https gets killed after about half a meg downloaded |
| 23:38.27 | Kovensky | :X |
| 23:38.50 | Kovensky | let us know what is this incredibly retarded ISP so we can send hate mail |
| 23:39.05 | CosaNostra | But they offer "unlimited" bandwidth |
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| 23:39.35 | CosaNostra | Anyway, I am going to use wget or curl and resume (-c) each time they disconnect. |
| 23:40.05 | CosaNostra | How many Debian CD image ISOs do I need for basic X11/rxvt and gcc. |
| 23:40.10 | CosaNostra | s/./?/ |
| 23:40.25 | callerten | I wonder if someone could extend TCP to have a "hostile intermediary" bit or something, have it ignore RSTs? |
| 23:40.39 | callerten | Probably would be a security risk though |
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| 23:40.50 | comradekingu | callerten: There are 6 unused bits for future use |
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| 23:41.31 | CosaNostra | The guy I talked to says they only plan to improve it. |
| 23:41.55 | sway | cheers for free data |
| 23:42.00 | CosaNostra | The name of the ISP is Opendoor Christian Internet. |
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| 23:42.37 | CosaNostra | They are the only ISP in this rural area and they get their bandwidth from RR. |
| 23:42.42 | callerten | CosaNostra, "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 23:44.02 | CosaNostra | I tried torrenting, but that resulted in having to pay a $3 reconnection fee and sign a form agreeing to obey their terms of service for now on. |
| 23:44.15 | CosaNostra | I ran utorrent on a Debian ISO |
| 23:44.21 | callerten | CosaNostra, are they charging you full price? Sounds like you and neighbors might want to look into starting a coop and get better price+bandwidth+peace of mind |
| 23:44.33 | themill | !vendors |
| 23:44.34 | dpkg | Not enough time or insufficient bandwidth to download a Debian CD/DVD image? Vendors of Debian CDs/DVDs are listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ If your country is not listed, use a vendor who ships internationally. Also ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 23:45.29 | CosaNostra | I'm moving out of this hick town ASAP so it's their problem. I think I'm the only user that is technical enough to be annoyed. |
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| 23:46.45 | CosaNostra | Stupid DOM popups keep advertising the local church... |
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| 23:47.13 | Simon14 | i have another question, i'm trying to install a more recent version of rubygems (1.3.x) when i do a search all i find is 1.2.x how can i get a more recent version? |
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| 23:47.54 | CosaNostra | I wish Firefox could block injected Javascript "in window" popups from the ISP. |
| 23:48.05 | callerten | Simon14, it looks like 1.3.4 is in testing. |
| 23:48.27 | Simon14 | thats ok, how would i go about grabbing that? |
| 23:48.42 | BackInAcTion | Is this Power Macintosh G3 a New World ROM? I have one, and it looks just like the one on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3_%28Blue_%26_White%29 |
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| 23:48.54 | CosaNostra | I had to modify my HOSTS file so doubleclick.net would resolve to the right IP, not the IP of the ISP. |
| 23:49.01 | CosaNostra | BackInAcTion: Yes |
| 23:49.19 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: so err...how do I enter into OF on a PC keyboard (USB) then? |
| 23:49.24 | CosaNostra | Old World PowerPC is like the old PowerPC Performas (601 CPU?) |
| 23:49.40 | CosaNostra | BackInAcTion: O-F-Command-Option? |
| 23:49.41 | Simon14 | i'm still learning all the different repository types |
| 23:49.48 | CosaNostra | Let me look it up |
| 23:50.11 | CosaNostra | Err, the ISP's injected HTML breaks google.com |
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| 23:50.55 | CosaNostra | But I think it is Command-Option-O-F, BackInAcTion |
| 23:51.09 | CosaNostra | Command might be the Windows key |
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| 23:51.22 | callerten | Simon14, This page seems to have good rundown on installing a package from testing, but someone here might know a better one.. http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
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| 23:52.46 | Simon14 | is there much of a difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 23:53.20 | mesa_booger | a bit |
| 23:53.38 | callerten | aptitude is a frontend to apt I believe? |
| 23:53.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Simon14 about why aptitude |
| 23:54.25 | Simon14 | thanks |
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| 23:54.39 | jpinx-eeepc | np ;) |
| 23:55.32 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: Err...I tried Win+Alt+O+F, and that didn't work |
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| 23:56.09 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: I also tried Ctrl+Alt+O+F, and that didn't work, either... |
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| 23:56.18 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: opps, I meant Win+Ctrl+O+F |
| 23:56.30 | bjorkintosh | i'm having trouble creating an ISO for dos/fat32 |
| 23:56.38 | bjorkintosh | is there something i ought to include in the flags? |
| 23:56.54 | bjorkintosh | ... i did genisoimage -o mywin98file win98/ |
| 23:56.56 | Simon14 | just to be sure, i would make a copy of the current Lenny source and change Lenny to Squeeze? |
| 23:56.58 | EricTheHax | hey lets say i have a capture card (i dont YET) and i want to see (and maybe upscale) what it's capturing? what program do i use? |
| 23:57.09 | CosaNostra | It should be Windows+Alt+O+F |
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| 23:57.32 | CosaNostra | Keep trying and do it as soon as you can, Macs can be picky. |
| 23:57.57 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm thinking about compiling a patch for bitlbee. If I compile it, is it installed by aptitude or dpkg? I'm thinking about how to remove it if I screw up;) I've never done this before. |
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| 23:58.06 | BlueG | Does anyone know if pidgin in lenny-backports is working now, before I try to upgrade and break things? |
| 23:58.07 | CosaNostra | Start clobbering Windows+Alt+O+F right after you hit the power button. |
| 23:58.17 | BackInAcTion | CosaNostra: OK, great tip |
| 23:58.25 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: working in respect of what? |
| 23:58.47 | EricTheHax | ... |
| 23:59.01 | Simon14 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 23:59.01 | CosaNostra | Okay, wget is getting an HTML file when I try to download this URL: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 23:59.09 | BlueG | jpinx-eeepc: it was previously not installable, so I'm hoping it is now installable, and runs. |
| 23:59.35 | BlueG | if webcam works too, that would be a great plus. |
| 23:59.39 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: afaik it works - but there are still issues with yahoo |
| 23:59.43 | CosaNostra | The file says "THIS ACTION NOT ALLOWED AS PER THE POLICY OF OPENDOOR CISP" |
| 23:59.50 | CosaNostra | No ISO :( |
| 23:59.56 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: cam only works in jabber |
