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| 00:00.12 | lru | nsadmin: I just rebooted, and my fonts in the fluxbox window frams are now tiny.... as are the fonts in mozilla... I'm trying to backtrack to see what happened... fortunately I have my /etc in git, but unfortunately, I don't see anything related to font changes in the diffs |
| 00:00.14 | lru | *frames |
| 00:00.25 | nsadmin | once you do this, a very good next step is to see in the bug tracking system whether there's a bug report that addresses your exact issue |
| 00:00.51 | nsadmin | when/how often do you commit your /etc? |
| 00:01.41 | nsadmin | yaknow, I guess you could put a commit in dpkg' |
| 00:02.26 | lru | nsadmin: I committed before the recent Lenny 5.0 update, rebooted right after that, but haven't rebooted since, as I recall |
| 00:02.35 | nsadmin | s install, remove and purge hook, and have the name of the package installed go into the git commit message |
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| 00:03.18 | lru | I don't know what governs font sizes in fluxbox's window frames either... not sure how to find that out |
| 00:03.35 | lru | I'm assuming it is a global thing, since it affects mozilla as well |
| 00:03.35 | nsadmin | maybe it's dpi |
| 00:04.05 | lru | windows are all the same sizes, and my modlines only go up to 1024x768... how would I double check? |
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| 00:04.38 | MikeH | Hrm, I have a load of textlive-lang-* packages that won't isntall nor remove via apt |
| 00:04.40 | nsadmin | look at the X log? |
| 00:04.46 | MikeH | so I get them trying to build each time I use apt |
| 00:04.56 | nsadmin | not sure it would be in there or not, but it's worth looking |
| 00:04.56 | MikeH | how can I remove them without hacking up all of their post-rm scripts? |
| 00:06.05 | lru | nsadmin: it says DPI is (76, 72) |
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| 00:07.30 | themill | MikeH: can you pastbin the output of "aptitude -f install"? |
| 00:08.39 | lru | nsadmin: xdpyinfo reports 1024x768 |
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| 00:09.00 | MikeH | themill: They actually seem to have installed now, after trying to remove them |
| 00:09.04 | MikeH | and then letting them install again |
| 00:09.07 | MikeH | but thanks all the same. |
| 00:09.20 | MikeH | next question |
| 00:09.31 | MikeH | Any idea why /tmp would be mounted on something with just 1mb of space? |
| 00:09.42 | MikeH | I killed anything using it, and unmounted it, everything is fine now |
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| 00:10.22 | MikeH | I know that isn't most forthcoming with information, but the mount list is out of buffer now :/ |
| 00:11.14 | lru | rebooting... |
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| 00:11.32 | themill | MikeH: was it described as "overflow" in the output of "mount"? |
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| 00:14.43 | BackInAcTion | What options are available for installing Debian "squeeze" (testing) on a Apple Power Mac G3 Blue and White with Mac OS 9.2.1? |
| 00:14.55 | iluminator101 | i get this error with snort please help |
| 00:15.07 | iluminator101 | database: mysql_error: Table 'snort.sensor' doesn't exist |
| 00:15.18 | iluminator101 | database: Problem obtaining SENSOR ID (sid) from snort->sensor |
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| 00:16.38 | BackInAcTion | I cannot get the Power Mac G3 to boot from a CD. It has a bootloader called yaboot on the CD, but Mac OS 9.2.1 doesn't want to say "Yes, I can boot from a Linux CD with yaboot on it." because the Startup Disk Control Panel lists the Debian "squeeze" PPC CD, but I cannot select it in the Startup Disk control panel |
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| 00:17.29 | BackInAcTion | If I could select the Debian PPC CD in that control panel, life would be much easier...but, alas, this Mac doesn't seem to have Open Firmware :( |
| 00:18.09 | dondelelcaro | BackInAcTion: uh... all of the G3s have open firmware |
| 00:18.33 | BackInAcTion | OK then... |
| 00:18.54 | BackInAcTion | what is the key combination on a USB PC keyboard to get it to try to boot from the CD then? |
| 00:19.08 | dondelelcaro | BackInAcTion: see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en |
| 00:19.09 | alpha^ | It's not specific to the keyboard |
| 00:19.27 | alpha^ | It's specific to the bios. Just mash around |
| 00:19.30 | dondelelcaro | BackInAcTion: c is the key, but because it's old world, you have to follow the instructions in 5.1.1 |
| 00:19.48 | BackInAcTion | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 00:20.10 | dondelelcaro | BackInAcTion: the install guide covers all of this; reading it is a good idea |
| 00:20.12 | smacnay | here is a question: after running kde, I still have it's pointer in gnome - how do I change this back to the Gnome themed pointer. |
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| 00:21.25 | xeon-enouf | BackInAcTion: http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.htm might be useful too |
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| 00:23.06 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: how can you be sure it's an oldworld mac, not newworld? (just curious) |
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| 00:23.16 | BackInAcTion | dondelelcaro: OK, I'm reading that now. Now...for the fun task of figuring out how to get the BootX application installed onto that Mac |
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| 00:37.12 | lindenle | Does anyone know a good tool to map source code? i.e. inter relationship between libraries and binaries? |
| 00:37.31 | xeon-enouf | ldd? |
| 00:38.15 | xeon-enouf | well, that's not for source, i guess :-p |
| 00:38.15 | lindenle | xeon-enouf: more wanted to see which functions get called in which external code |
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| 00:38.15 | lindenle | and get a map |
| 00:38.19 | lindenle | like doxygen sort of |
| 00:39.49 | xeon-enouf | lindenle: maybe http://www.gnu.org/software/idutils/manual/idutils.html |
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| 00:41.06 | lindenle | xeon-enouf: checking... |
| 00:41.53 | xeon-enouf | bah, maybe not - sorry - (don't know doxygen, can't program my way out of a paper bag) try maybe ##c ##kernel ##linux ##linux-coders #gcc #gnu ? man that's a lot of channels! |
| 00:42.33 | lindenle | ok |
| 00:43.08 | mesa_booger | lindenle: id-utils is nice. mkid to make a database, lid to interrogate it |
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| 00:43.33 | lindenle | hmmm... not understanding the docs so far.... |
| 00:43.51 | lindenle | kind of need as many options as I can before I get on the plane |
| 00:43.58 | lindenle | then can sort through them while I am in the air |
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| 00:45.08 | nineclock | hi,i want that my vpn client have static ip address (client 1=10.0.0.2 client2=10.0.0.3 ..etc) without dns for surf on internet some ideas ? |
| 00:45.19 | mesa_booger | lindenle: i've indexed /usr/include with mkid. cd /usr/include ; mkid. this indexes all the includes. i can then say lid -si max, and it will return all the files which have [Mm][Aa][Xx] in there as word oridentifiers |
| 00:45.30 | lindenle | cool |
| 00:45.37 | lindenle | imagonatrydat |
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| 00:46.46 | lindenle | kinda slow though huh |
| 00:47.06 | mesa_booger | lindenle: i hooked that up to vim, so that i can check if an identifier i type is already defined somewhere, as i type, with f7 |
| 00:47.06 | lindenle | wowo super cool |
| 00:47.09 | lindenle | and in emacs? |
| 00:47.28 | mesa_booger | never heard of it :) |
| 00:47.33 | lindenle | ha! |
| 00:47.37 | lindenle | lier!!!!!!! |
| 00:47.39 | lindenle | ha ha |
| 00:47.44 | lindenle | !beer mesa-booger |
| 00:47.44 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for mesa-booger |
| 00:47.56 | lindenle | yummmmm .... frisch herb |
| 00:48.06 | mesa_booger | cheers |
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| 00:48.21 | immatrrecord | hi all |
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| 00:49.03 | AruNatsu | Which repository has firefox? i ran "sudo apt-cache search firefox" and didn't get the actual browser |
| 00:49.06 | xeon-enouf | R-T kernels in Debian? O_o http://lwn.net/Articles/354664/ |
| 00:49.18 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: iceweasel |
| 00:49.22 | immatrrecord | I can't restart my apache server, i've this error : "Invalid command 'GnuTLSenable' |
| 00:49.25 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: /msgdpkg iceweasel |
| 00:49.31 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: er /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 00:49.40 | dvs | AruNatsu, it's called iceweasel in Debian |
| 00:50.01 | xeon-enouf | immatrrecord: apt-cache search tls | grep gnu |
| 00:50.02 | shadowless_egg | ok wihhc debian do i download |
| 00:50.07 | AruNatsu | xeon-enouf, dvs: thanks! |
| 00:50.10 | shadowless_egg | which* |
| 00:50.20 | shadowless_egg | i want the powerpc one |
| 00:50.25 | immatrrecord | ok xeon-enouf, thanks i test |
| 00:50.30 | shadowless_egg | i know to burn the iso |
| 00:50.31 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: d/l the ppc one |
| 00:50.35 | markybob_ | no one wants powerpc anything |
| 00:50.39 | shadowless_egg | but htere's like |
| 00:50.44 | shadowless_egg | there's* |
| 00:50.48 | shadowless_egg | 8+ isos |
| 00:50.49 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: easy on the ENTER key please |
| 00:50.52 | shadowless_egg | which one is it |
| 00:50.58 | shadowless_egg | >_> |
| 00:50.59 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: you only need cd1 or netinstall |
| 00:51.07 | markybob_ | powerpc is....like...making love to sand paper. |
| 00:51.09 | xeon-enouf | to start |
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| 00:51.32 | xeon-enouf | markybob_: love can be .. abrasive :-) |
| 00:51.33 | dbb | ?!? |
| 00:51.56 | xeon-enouf | considers hooking up this huge oldworld powermac and reinstalling os8.x |
| 00:52.05 | immatrrecord | \o/ thanks xeon-enouf !! |
| 00:52.05 | xeon-enouf | then installing debian over that .. |
| 00:52.07 | shadowless_egg | i dont have the internet on my thing so i just download debian-503-powerpc-CD-1.iso |
| 00:52.20 | dbb | ported a lot of sfwr to ppc, thankyouverymuch |
| 00:52.41 | xeon-enouf | !hug dbb |
| 00:52.41 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around dbb |
| 00:53.22 | adb | sfwr ? |
| 00:53.26 | immatrrecord | there are libapache2-mod-gnutls, install this and loaded mod with a2enmod gnutls for apache and restart this |
| 00:53.46 | adb | oh, nvm |
| 00:54.25 | xeon-enouf | does anyone WANT this powermac 7300/200 ? got all the goodies, in A+ condition - i want it out of here, but too nice to trash it .. or point me to some Apple Museum or something - or does anyone think it'll be worth $$$ as an antique one day ? O_o |
| 00:54.48 | shadowless_egg | ... |
| 00:54.55 | shadowless_egg | which iso do i dwonload? |
| 00:54.58 | xeon-enouf | specs http://support.apple.com/kb/SP364 |
| 00:55.17 | shadowless_egg | god i cant type today |
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| 00:55.36 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 00:55.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:55.49 | xeon-enouf | but more than that, i installed a usb 1.1 card, 128MB ram, there'sa 17" monitor, Apple Printer etc |
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| 00:55.55 | immatrrecord | by all ! |
| 00:55.56 | shadowless_egg | i dont want web install |
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| 00:56.04 | abrotman | shadowless_egg: it still gets you a base system |
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| 00:56.18 | abrotman | so use CD1 or DVD1 ? |
| 00:56.24 | shadowless_egg | cd |
| 00:56.39 | shadowless_egg | but there's like 8 isos to chosoe from |
| 00:57.16 | dvs | shadowless_egg, first one only |
| 00:57.21 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: better read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc especially /ch05s01.html.en |
| 00:57.45 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: what about cd1 is not clear to you? |
| 00:57.58 | shadowless_egg | oh |
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| 00:58.10 | xeon-enouf | 16:52 < xeon-enouf> shadowless_egg: you only need cd1 or netinstall |
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| 00:58.19 | shadowless_egg | okie dokie then |
| 00:58.27 | shadowless_egg | im off to find a burning program! |
| 00:58.41 | xeon-enouf | or dvd1 .. depends how much of popcon you want |
| 00:58.50 | xeon-enouf | (while offline) |
| 00:58.51 | shadowless_egg | i dont have dvds |
| 00:59.08 | shadowless_egg | i can probably get some though |
| 00:59.22 | xeon-enouf | then, for 1st DVD, grab .. less 700MB * ? == 4.3GiB ? |
| 00:59.35 | xeon-enouf | er s/less/lessee/ |
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| 01:00.01 | xeon-enouf | burn the 1st 6 CDs then, if you're swimming in them |
| 01:00.09 | xeon-enouf | er, more |
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| 01:00.48 | xeon-enouf | or get your stinkin net to work after you use cd1 |
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| 01:01.49 | Out_Cold | ok so i'm using iceweasel and vmware web ui.. it won't let me select the link in web ui to download and install a program.. |
| 01:02.02 | Out_Cold | **plugin |
| 01:02.05 | dvs | I'd get the Net working first |
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| 01:02.39 | Out_Cold | net working where? inside the vm? |
| 01:03.12 | shadowless_egg | yes xeon i will eventually get net back |
| 01:03.26 | shadowless_egg | so just burn iso 1 and that's it? |
| 01:03.48 | dvs | and boot from it. ;-) |
| 01:03.58 | shadowless_egg | yes im hoping this works |
| 01:04.48 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: read what i pointed to |
| 01:05.13 | shadowless_egg | indeed |
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| 01:06.02 | shadowless_egg | 4 hours to download? |
| 01:06.04 | shadowless_egg | dang |
| 01:06.13 | dvs | a CD? |
| 01:06.14 | shadowless_egg | oops about 3 now |
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| 01:06.24 | shadowless_egg | to download the iso yes |
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| 01:07.01 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: you could order the cd too .. but atleast it aint dialup :-P |
| 01:07.07 | shadowless_egg | oh well i guess ill figure out what's going on with my printer in the meantime |
| 01:07.16 | shadowless_egg | nah i want to install it tommorow |
| 01:07.16 | xeon-enouf | shadowless_egg: use that time to read ! :-P |
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| 01:08.51 | _Trinity_ | well it seems the r128/X11 with Squeeze issue has been solved. Wondering if I should upgrade this desktop |
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| 01:09.27 | abrotman | only one way to find out! |
| 01:10.19 | dvs | blow it up? ;-) |
| 01:10.26 | _Trinity_ | lol |
| 01:10.45 | _Trinity_ | I'm runnign almost dead min hardware so I just might do that |
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| 01:11.06 | _Trinity_ | but I'm surprised hw well it's holding out |
| 01:13.58 | _Trinity_ | I'm running on thsi iMAc DV which has a buildt in CRT. I can't turn it off with major surgery but I'd like to and use my external LCD |
| 01:14.19 | _Trinity_ | I'm usign the external right now since it's seaier on the eyes |
| 01:15.07 | lru | nsadmin: turns out it was DPI... oddly, I get a lower DPI when the monitor is plugged in than when I boot X with it unplugged... thanks for your help |
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| 01:16.11 | _Trinity_ | anyway,I know I can set the monitor settings in corg.conf to 60-60 H with 60-75 v and this runs the mirrored external LCD and draws a black screen on the CRT. Is this safe? |
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| 01:18.14 | _Trinity_ | My objective is to run only the external and save some power byt not sending signal t the CRT --although I gather what's happening is that hte CRT is simply not able to process the signal that it receives |
| 01:19.08 | _Trinity_ | anyone fiddle with mirrored external monitors? |
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| 01:37.39 | Out_Cold | anyone using vmware-server? |
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| 01:37.51 | markybob_ | !anyone |
| 01:37.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:38.00 | Out_Cold | i did.. |
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| 01:39.01 | abrotman | Out_Cold: why not find it manually on the server ? |
| 01:39.14 | dekatch | hello #debian, what does this mean? i want apt-getting ntp-simple ntp-server but debian says not available, has no instalation canditate and is missing and or obsoleted. i never had this problem before, where can i get it? packages.debian.org ? why is it excluded now? |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | dekatch: i think the package is just 'ntp' now |
| 01:39.50 | dekatch | oh, ill try |
| 01:39.59 | Out_Cold | abrotman, i'm not too sure on what the plugin is.. |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | Out_Cold: it would have an .xpi extension |
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| 01:41.23 | dekatch | ok, thanks it works |
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| 01:53.01 | esaym153 | what did the executable change to in virtualbox 3? /usr/bin/virtualbox is no longer there.... |
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| 01:53.24 | Falllen | How would I go about adding a wildcard route add? |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | esaym153: is it a Debian package ? |
| 01:53.36 | esaym153 | yes |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | esaym153: dpkg -L foopkg |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | Falllen: describe the issue better |
| 01:54.45 | esaym153 | did virtualbox make a different package for the gui? http://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-ose-qt |
| 01:54.56 | Falllen | abrotman, I need to add a route ban 216.211.*, as in route add 216.211.*.* gw 127.0.0.1 lo but I noticed that is an invalid format |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | yeah it is |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | wait .. you're trying to blacklist a set of IPs ? |
| 01:56.19 | Falllen | abrotman, yes |
| 01:56.28 | Falllen | DDoS is only fun for so long :\ |
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| 01:56.59 | abrotman | Falllen: you should really call your upstream ISP .. you can use 'iptables' to do what you're asking, but the packets still get to you |
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| 01:57.50 | Falllen | abrotman, well I will have to evantually, trying to advoid that but regardless, route ban seems to get rid of the effects on Apache |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | you want iptables |
| 01:58.41 | Falllen | abrotman, ok, but I noticed sarge does not |
| 01:58.47 | Falllen | have an init file for iptables |
| 01:58.50 | Falllen | ? |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | Falllen: a) you sohuldn't be using sarge anymore b) /usr/share/doc/iptables/ .. go read the files there |
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| 01:59.40 | alnr | ssh-keygen is generating keys not acceptable to a lenny remote. the generating system is squeeze/sid. i tried upgrading to ssh 1:5.1p1-7 but it still gens bad keys, what to i have to do |
| 01:59.50 | Falllen | abrotman, I created the server around a year ago I think |
| 01:59.54 | Falllen | or more |
| 01:59.57 | Falllen | *longer |
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| 02:00.19 | abrotman | i'd hope like three years ago |
| 02:00.57 | Falllen | yeah old vps hosting I guess |
| 02:02.34 | Falllen | abrotman, that didnt give me much |
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| 02:04.03 | Falllen | abrotman, if you happen to have the solution I really need it. My website has been down long enough |
| 02:05.16 | Falllen | ughh well its going to get fucked over night if I cant find the solution |
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| 02:08.07 | abrotman | Falllen: iptables -t INPUT -i <interface> -p tcp -s 216.211.0.0/16 -j DROP |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | Falllen: or something like that .. you'd do better to ask #iptables |
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| 02:08.36 | Falllen | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | oh .. i guess you'd leave "-p tcp " out |
| 02:11.01 | Out_Cold | so can i just add any firefoxplugin into weasel? |
| 02:11.08 | Out_Cold | *iceweasel |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | should work |
| 02:11.23 | Out_Cold | to me? |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:13.19 | smacnay | can a package with dependency issues be downloaded and recompiled? Then installed? |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | what kind of issues ? |
| 02:14.16 | xeon-enouf | does anyone know how to _list_ their copy/paste/clipboard buffer, so one can then select older choices to load into recent buffer for pasting; using either xclip or autocutsel?? I've read their docs and manpages and see nothing related :-( i know kde has klipper, for which, this is easy, but i prefer to remain kde free |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | i didn't think kde used the X clipboard ? |
| 02:14.43 | xeon-enouf | or .. have an idea for any other clip application? |
| 02:14.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: it doesn't matter |
| 02:15.18 | xeon-enouf | i just want to be able to select older clips, that i used prior |
| 02:15.35 | xeon-enouf | klipper is even _searchable_ |
| 02:15.38 | mesa_booger | xselect only has one slot for pasting |
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| 02:15.58 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: but how to choose from a list of past clips? |
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| 02:16.18 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: you need to run a clipboard manager of some sort |
| 02:16.21 | xeon-enouf | past cuts or copies |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i guess what i meant was that X only has one .. the kde clipboard is what you're using, which has more than one |
| 02:16.31 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: ok, any ideas? |
| 02:16.36 | xeon-enouf | other than klipper? |
| 02:16.39 | mesa_booger | klipper |
| 02:16.40 | mesa_booger | :) |
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| 02:16.46 | xeon-enouf | ... |
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| 02:17.00 | xeon-enouf | runs away screaming |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | xclip ? |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | x11-apps/xclipboard ? |
| 02:17.56 | xeon-enouf | 23 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 3 to remove and 384 not upgraded. |
| 02:17.59 | xeon-enouf | o m g |
| 02:18.16 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 02:18.21 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: is that the same as 'xclip' pkg? |
| 02:19.30 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: there is an xclip and a xclipboard .. the latter in the x11-apps package |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | no clue if either can manage the kde clipboard |
| 02:19.55 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i don't want anything kde, thank you |
| 02:20.04 | xeon-enouf | and i have nothing kde, thank you |
| 02:20.05 | abrotman | aren't you already using KDE ? |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:20.11 | xeon-enouf | !stab abrotman |
| 02:20.11 | dpkg | runs at abrotman with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 02:20.18 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: apt-cache search clipboard utility |
| 02:20.27 | xeon-enouf | ok, thanks |
| 02:20.28 | abrotman | lots of gnome apps too :) |
| 02:20.42 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: parcellite |
| 02:20.54 | xeon-enouf | well - which one does what i described; was my query |
| 02:21.01 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
| 02:21.12 | xeon-enouf | that's the name i had heard once - thanks Tramp |
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| 02:21.45 | xeon-enouf | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 408 not upgraded. |
| 02:21.49 | xeon-enouf | nice! |
| 02:22.04 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: for some window managers you may need stalonetray as well |
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| 03:14.39 | jetscreamer | !blame jpinx-eeepc |
| 03:14.57 | dpkg | blames nite613 and jpinx-eeepc for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 03:18.09 | nachos | anyone hve and problems with generating CAs with openssl? it doesnt recognise the directory i specify in openssl.cnf |
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| 03:18.58 | dondelelcaro | nachos: using what, ca? |
| 03:19.12 | nachos | using CA.sh |
| 03:20.17 | xeon-enouf | wonderful .. xeon completely and utterly locked up .. sysrq did nothing, keyboard entirely non-functional ... couldn't do anything but pull the ATX |
| 03:21.11 | xeon-enouf | oh and i had to reboot a few times, no keys and mouse working - once, only mouse did, another had to hard reset again (all this after a remount,ro / and fsck /) |
| 03:21.11 | dondelelcaro | nachos: hrm.. I honestly always just use the ca command itself, rather than the wrapper |
| 03:21.40 | linuxguy | !seen abrotman |
| 03:21.40 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@c-71-230-50-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33m 47s ago, saying: 'sure?'. |
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| 03:21.59 | xeon-enouf | many thousands of useless console-kit-daemon monster malware that i have to keep killing .. like micropoop viruses |
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| 03:23.15 | xeon-enouf | and couldn't select kernel in grub - (usb) keyboard doesn't work in grub - had to finally enable usb emulation in the BIOS |
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| 03:26.46 | nachos | there are no decent L2TP IPSEC tutorials |
| 03:26.50 | nachos | the one im reading is rubbish |
| 03:27.01 | nachos | anyone know of a good one? |
| 03:27.13 | xeon-enouf | all this, just trying to install parcellite |
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| 03:28.40 | xeon-enouf | although ofcourse, that specific app/util has nothing to do with incompetant and broken X, Hal, Dbus, and all these fucken {policy,console,device}-kit shit |
| 03:29.51 | xeon-enouf | wishes he could blame the kernel - compiling my own is cake |
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| 03:31.58 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: thanks for the parcellite suggestion, this time, i;ll try to install it without having that horribly broken iceweasel open ... 3.5.x thrashes the disk within days and starts eating 40-60% CPU .. relentlessly .. |
| 03:32.49 | xeon-enouf | not to mention it eats RAM to no end ,, and all this with adblock, flashblock and noscript |
| 03:33.27 | Tramp | yw - it does? Well, I cannot know since I never leave it open "across days" |
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| 03:34.14 | linuxguy | is there a command that will show you what spec my pc is pls? |
| 03:34.29 | xeon-enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 03:34.30 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 03:34.41 | Tramp | actually I try to never leave X open for long - I come from an age where memory was tense and X full of leaks |
| 03:35.17 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, sorry i meant in here but thanks |
| 03:35.27 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: smart move .. i've had uptimes of many months using links2 -g only |
| 03:35.44 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: what do you mean in here? |
| 03:36.09 | Tramp | well, I consider it good practice to reboot on a (at least) monthly basis. |
| 03:36.17 | xeon-enouf | oh |
| 03:36.20 | linuxguy | xeon so the specs of the pc appear so ppl can read it |
| 03:36.24 | xeon-enouf | you want to show US your specs? |
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| 03:36.37 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: well - you can't use a pastebin? |
| 03:36.41 | xeon-enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 03:36.42 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 03:37.02 | xeon-enouf | there;s some phpsysinfo crap thing somewhere |
| 03:37.11 | xeon-enouf | but that's useless |
| 03:37.13 | linuxguy | xeon reason being is that i was told that what i want to use just might be a little to new for debian thats ll |
| 03:37.31 | xeon-enouf | at best - and braggadocious at worst |
| 03:37.49 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: try xeon[TAB] |
| 03:38.10 | xeon-enouf | too new isn;t related to hardware specs |
| 03:38.29 | xeon-enouf | oh .. too new hardware? |
| 03:38.55 | xeon-enouf | !comprehensionsmite me |
| 03:39.45 | xeon-enouf | goes back to trying to get and use a pastebuffer that has a history that can easily be used |
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| 03:41.18 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, when i used tio use sidux there was a command to tyope in that showed a spec of a pc.i just wanted to know if what i had was compatible with debian lenny thats all |
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| 03:45.08 | nsadmin | linuxguyx |
| 03:45.22 | nsadmin | err |
| 03:45.33 | nsadmin | linuxguy kernels support devices |
| 03:45.35 | xeon-enouf | why on earth cannot i get an alias for sudo to tab complete? |
| 03:45.59 | nsadmin | maybe because the thing you want to sudo isn't in your execution path |
| 03:46.08 | xeon-enouf | screw it, i'll keep a root shell open - fuck sudo |
| 03:46.47 | jamon | linuxguy: hwinfo and lspci are what you're after i think |
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| 03:47.12 | maxagaz | hi |
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| 03:47.20 | jamon | ah nm, /me sees the backlog |
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| 03:47.32 | maxagaz | how to cat a file and color a given word in the output ? |
| 03:47.39 | xeon-enouf | whunderful .. found another bug in bash |
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| 03:47.54 | nsadmin | maxagaz: color is device dependent |
| 03:48.44 | maxagaz | nsadmin, how putting a word in yellow could be device dependant ? |
| 03:48.54 | nsadmin | yellow is a color |
| 03:49.00 | xeon-enouf | do "$ echo $TERM" <--place a space between the $ and the echo; command works fine, but does *not* register in history |
| 03:49.48 | gullstein | I got two computers where I use suspend. booth work at suspend2 ram, but only one work at suspend2 disk. It apear to me that the same packages are used. |
| 03:50.16 | nsadmin | maxagaz: so you want to cat a file... to what? |
| 03:50.37 | xeon-enouf | also, ever since i did "TERM=linux ; export $TERM" even after a few reboots! the screen doesn't properly clear itself after a "less ..." |
| 03:50.57 | xeon-enouf | i added nothing to my ~/.bash* files |
| 03:50.58 | maxagaz | nsadmin, i just want to cat a file and do some pipe so to make the words foo in yellow |
| 03:50.58 | nsadmin | printer? sky writing? terminal? something else? |
| 03:51.06 | hark | maxagaz: use grep |
| 03:51.13 | nsadmin | to what will the output go? |
| 03:51.25 | maxagaz | hark, grep would cut my output |
| 03:51.27 | xeon-enouf | alias grep='grep --colour=auto' |
| 03:51.30 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: |
| 03:52.50 | nsadmin | maxagaz: right now you're blocking the information you're being presented with |
| 03:52.50 | xeon-enouf | $ grep HZ /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686 shows me all HZ in red in a b/w bg/fg |
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| 03:54.32 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, yes but it cuts the lines where HZ doesn't appear |
| 03:54.41 | buu | I'm using a gnome desktop manager and it recently popped up a nice little dialog saying "blah blah kernel failure", which isn't that interesting. The problem is that I have no mouse plugged in to the box and I can't figure out how to get rid of this message |
| 03:54.47 | buu | (And no I can't alt-tab to it) |
| 03:55.11 | xeon-enouf | cuts? you want the entire line? for that file's contents, it most certainly does not |
| 03:55.47 | nsadmin | xeon-enouf: maybe if he played with the context parameters |
| 03:55.59 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: that's a function of your $COLUMNS variable --or-- your "line" isn't a full "line" |
| 03:56.21 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: yeah - i'm busy anyway ;-) |
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| 03:57.23 | nsadmin | buu: tab doesn't work? |
| 03:57.24 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: you want to display the entire doc, but only highlight your <keywords?> |
| 03:57.31 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 03:57.38 | xeon-enouf | well say that! |
| 03:57.50 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: less, then hit / |
| 03:58.03 | xeon-enouf | then type your keyword and hit enter |
| 03:58.17 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: then hit n to jump to next instance |
| 03:58.32 | buu | nsadmin: No =[ |
| 03:58.33 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, i want to use it after a pipe |
| 03:58.34 | xeon-enouf | less document.txt |
| 03:58.37 | linuxguy | hwinfo |
| 03:58.40 | buu | nsadmin: I can't get a select box on it |
| 03:58.49 | xeon-enouf | i pipe to less all the time! |
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| 03:59.21 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 03:59.26 | xeon-enouf | then do what i said |
| 03:59.52 | xeon-enouf | or even remove the | grep part for all i care |
| 03:59.54 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, woulda 2x amd 3.5gz cpu and 1gb nvidia card work well with debian lenny? |
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| 04:00.08 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse linuxguy |
| 04:00.54 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: are you looking to rice-out your system? |
| 04:01.11 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, and its possible to dual boot lenny with a hacked xp pro |
| 04:01.12 | xeon-enouf | or .. do you want a stable server .. |
| 04:01.17 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, that's interesting actually to use less after a pipe in a function to color a word |
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| 04:02.11 | linuxguy | xeon no i want to make sure everything will work and not have the experience i had with fedora when nothhing worked after the updates.i was warned about that |
| 04:02.17 | xeon-enouf | although i admit the highlighting isn't then red anymore, but white, on black bg |
| 04:02.20 | xeon-enouf | but oh well |
| 04:02.41 | xeon-enouf | alias less='less -IR' |
| 04:03.02 | xeon-enouf | but the R might be throwing it - you figure it out |
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| 04:05.25 | xeon-enouf | shit! whereis localepurge? |
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| 04:06.14 | xeon-enouf | guess i forgot to install it :-) |
| 04:06.38 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, i'm wondering how to give a word to highlight when running less, the man isn't clear to me about this |
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| 04:07.44 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, i got it... less +/foo |
| 04:07.53 | xeon-enouf | there;s also a pkg ... called .. erm.. ahh roottail |
| 04:09.00 | xeon-enouf | Total disk space freed by localepurge: 97466 KiB |
| 04:09.05 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
| 04:09.27 | xeon-enouf | more concerned about useless files shown when doing dpkg -L |
| 04:10.13 | xeon-enouf | shit! |
| 04:10.15 | xeon-enouf | /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/parcellite.mo |
| 04:10.31 | xeon-enouf | localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 91279 KiB |
| 04:11.04 | xeon-enouf | wtf? i need to disable en_us-UTF8 |
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| 04:12.58 | xeon-enouf | oh crap .. still! .. oh well |
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| 04:13.12 | xeon-enouf | what is that anyway, Missouri? |
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| 04:16.59 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 04:17.00 | dpkg | hello |
| 04:17.36 | Dassu | no terve. |
| 04:19.20 | rumpsy | I think so many were in offtopic |
| 04:22.51 | xeon-enouf | ok, so to kill ssh-agent from ever launching as a child to ck crap; should i renmae the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent file? or just comment it all out? |
| 04:23.49 | xeon-enouf | parcellite -d just hangs .. ugh |
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| 04:25.59 | gullstein | I got two computers where I use suspend. booth work at suspend2 ram, but only one work at suspend2 disk. It apear to me that the same packages are used. apears that kinit has something to do with it. |
| 04:26.48 | nachos | this is retarded |
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| 04:27.01 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 04:27.04 | xeon-enouf | rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit |
| 04:27.14 | xeon-enouf | done |
| 04:28.22 | xeon-enouf | rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent |
| 04:28.25 | xeon-enouf | done |
| 04:28.57 | xeon-enouf | this is just like taking an axe to the windows registry ;-) |
| 04:29.10 | xeon-enouf | i'm starting to like it now |
| 04:29.15 | rumpsy | user manual for AXE |
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| 04:30.14 | xeon-enouf | now to relaunch all this crap without the other useless annoying crap and breakage |
| 04:32.21 | rumpsy | This x-chat is not good... i'm moving to chatzilla |
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| 04:38.07 | nachos | anyone here have any idea how to setup a CA to work with L2TP/IPSEC as a server and windows 7 as a client? |
| 04:39.37 | nachos | this is too complicated and the tutorials are shit. |
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| 04:40.43 | acidtripper | hi |
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| 04:54.03 | xeon-enouf | i gotchu you fucker! |
| 04:54.16 | xeon-enouf | !congratulate me |
| 04:54.16 | dpkg | Nice one xeon-enouf, you did it! |
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| 04:58.19 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 04:58.19 | dpkg | moin moin |
| 04:58.26 | rumpsy | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 04:58.32 | rumpsy | i'm getting this msg |
| 04:59.35 | jetscreamer | well you could fix it but if you're dual bootingwindows it will mess it up |
| 04:59.51 | jetscreamer | fdisk has the fix partition table order function |
| 04:59.56 | rumpsy | nope... i'm not having dual os |
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| 05:00.17 | rumpsy | but i'm having a ntfs partion |
| 05:00.21 | jetscreamer | fdisk /dev/whatever (unmounted i think eh) and go to the xtended |
| 05:00.27 | jetscreamer | hit the x iirc |
| 05:00.33 | jetscreamer | or so... |
| 05:00.54 | jetscreamer | you want the second (expert?) menu |
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| 05:01.04 | rumpsy | yes |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:01.34 | jetscreamer | you'll need to fix fstab and menu.lst unless you use UUID= in them |
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| 05:02.03 | jetscreamer | and /boot/grub/device.map also |
| 05:02.18 | rumpsy | this means... i need to remove that ntfs entry |
| 05:02.29 | jetscreamer | given grub1 or legacy... not sure about grub2 |
| 05:03.03 | jetscreamer | just #$ it out no need to del the entire line when you might reuse is and just change it a little |
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| 05:03.10 | jetscreamer | err # it out |
| 05:03.11 | xeon-enouf | OK - let's review; |
| 05:03.12 | jetscreamer | comment |
| 05:03.20 | xeon-enouf | rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit |
| 05:03.31 | rumpsy | yep |
| 05:04.00 | xeon-enouf | and mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local |
| 05:04.27 | rumpsy | What for this mv |
| 05:04.31 | xeon-enouf | and rm any possible console-setup.sh or somethingservice |
| 05:04.37 | jetscreamer | it renames |
| 05:05.06 | xeon-enouf | some fool altered the init scripts for SNNrc.local to S02 |
| 05:05.23 | rumpsy | o_O |
| 05:05.31 | jetscreamer | btw xchat rocks :) |
| 05:05.49 | rumpsy | x-chat not good |
| 05:05.57 | rumpsy | Chatzilla is good |
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| 05:06.05 | jetscreamer | well not good for you .. good for me |
| 05:06.12 | jetscreamer | different tastes |
| 05:06.25 | jetscreamer | me i never liked chatzilla, i forget why |
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| 05:06.47 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: point is, the only reliable way i can seem to kill ck-x11 shit and the scores of console-kit-dea's on boot is pkill console-* in rc.local - but running so early makes it not work |
| 05:06.57 | xeon-enouf | since HALruns much later than 02 |
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| 05:07.12 | jetscreamer | doesn't say fsck hal and fsck udev |
| 05:07.14 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 05:07.31 | Jill | jetscreamer: s=u ? =) |
| 05:07.40 | jetscreamer | does say ms had a hal long before debian did |
| 05:07.47 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:07.50 | jetscreamer | man fsck :) |
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| 05:08.10 | Jill | i know about checking just kidding |
| 05:08.14 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 05:09.16 | jetscreamer | is shocked... |
| 05:09.31 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: kill consolekit is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers> |
| 05:09.32 | dpkg | mangles consolekit is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers> with a Knoppix CD |
| 05:09.35 | jetscreamer | i would never even 'think' about cursing some aspect of debian |
| 05:09.43 | xeon-enouf | haha |
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| 05:09.49 | jetscreamer | try 'to kill |
| 05:10.04 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: consolekit must die is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers> |
| 05:10.05 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 05:10.06 | rumpsy | Partition table entries are not in disk order "is this a bad error?" |
| 05:10.21 | jetscreamer | of course i don't think of udev as a part of debian... ubuntoers put it in there somehow |
| 05:10.30 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 05:10.37 | jetscreamer | unless you dual boot |
| 05:10.40 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: nope |
| 05:10.43 | jetscreamer | iirc ymmv |
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| 05:10.54 | jetscreamer | it's trivial to fix though |
| 05:10.57 | xeon-enouf | just don't get coy with trying any resizing or moving :-P |
| 05:11.05 | rumpsy | hmm |
| 05:11.27 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: parted lists them in correct byte order |
| 05:11.42 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: as dmesg does |
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| 05:12.20 | rumpsy | i found ntfs partition inbetween linux partion and swap |
| 05:12.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.49 | jetscreamer | it's talking about the assigned partition numbers though |
| 05:13.02 | jetscreamer | like the first isn't #1 or whatever |
| 05:13.26 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: c-k-d must die is <reply> see "consolekit must die" |
| 05:13.27 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 05:13.32 | acidtripper | HI! |
| 05:13.41 | jetscreamer | !wb acidtripper |
| 05:13.42 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! acidtripper has returned! |
| 05:13.48 | jetscreamer | again... :) |
| 05:13.53 | acidtripper | someone could help me configure xdm to run xfce as default window manager? |
| 05:13.54 | rumpsy | And another thing... whenever i login as root... its asking me a security question |
| 05:14.03 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 05:14.08 | jetscreamer | why not use gdm |
| 05:14.08 | rumpsy | How to remove that |
| 05:14.13 | acidtripper | couse when i run xdm and log in my user come again to xdm |
| 05:14.22 | acidtripper | couse i dont like it |
| 05:14.27 | jetscreamer | xdm has it's own language |
| 05:14.43 | jetscreamer | it's beyond me.. i didnt' mean run gnome |
| 05:14.46 | jetscreamer | just gdm |
| 05:15.29 | jetscreamer | startx -e xfce or so 'used' to work .... |
| 05:15.31 | jetscreamer | OH |
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| 05:15.38 | jetscreamer | !xsession |
| 05:15.39 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 05:16.02 | jetscreamer | !xinitrc |
| 05:16.03 | dpkg | i heard xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
| 05:16.13 | jetscreamer | !.xinitrc |
| 05:16.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 05:16.23 | acidtripper | mm i have xsession and all that with exec startxfce4 |
| 05:16.32 | acidtripper | but it continue without working |
| 05:17.04 | jetscreamer | did you supply the full path? i did it ONCE... and i forget but that sounds familiar |
| 05:17.52 | xeon-enouf | S02rc.local WAS really S03rc.local |
| 05:17.57 | jetscreamer | or maybe i'm just anal and always suply the full path |
| 05:17.59 | xeon-enouf | i fizxed it |
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| 05:18.40 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: using a DM? |
| 05:18.46 | jetscreamer | xdm |
| 05:18.48 | acidtripper | yea |
| 05:18.50 | acidtripper | XDM |
| 05:18.58 | acidtripper | but i cant log in my xfce from xdm |
| 05:19.10 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: then .xsession should work |
| 05:19.24 | acidtripper | no |
| 05:19.28 | acidtripper | doesn't |
| 05:19.29 | jetscreamer | paste your .xsession on a paster site maybe |
| 05:19.33 | acidtripper | ok |
| 05:19.49 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: edit /etc/X11/xdm*/* ? |
| 05:20.15 | acidtripper | yea some files |
| 05:20.16 | acidtripper | http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m8ce774a |
| 05:20.39 | acidtripper | both possibilities, one links to .xinitrc and the other run xfce |
| 05:20.45 | acidtripper | is not a problem of xsession |
| 05:20.59 | xeon-enouf | shit i fot=rgot about apt-get install iotop |
| 05:21.00 | rumpsy | !manual |
| 05:21.00 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals and guides focusing on Debian, from a user perspective, the administrators view, and others, see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
| 05:21.07 | xeon-enouf | my HDD is thrashing like mad |
| 05:21.19 | xeon-enouf | no, no swap being used |
| 05:21.54 | xeon-enouf | fucker .. i'll find you .. |
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| 05:22.31 | rumpsy | Nope.... bad wrods!!!!!11 |
| 05:22.43 | rumpsy | Rule 22 is banned |
| 05:22.51 | rumpsy | !rule |
| 05:22.51 | dpkg | it has been said that rule is distribution rule/suck graph at http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.year.png |
| 05:23.22 | xeon-enouf | ok, that's it, i'm cp over all of /var , /usr/share/doc, /etc and /home elsewhere and then deleting them and cp'ing them back |
| 05:23.38 | jetscreamer | acidtripper: it may need a & at the end, startxfce4 & |
| 05:24.30 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: whats the error? |
| 05:24.41 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.58 | acidtripper | the error is that |
| 05:25.01 | xeon-enouf | also add set -x to top of .xsession |
| 05:25.07 | acidtripper | xdm doesnt run xfce after login in |
| 05:25.12 | xeon-enouf | what? |
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| 05:25.25 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: take more acid - it'll be fine |
| 05:25.33 | jetscreamer | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-users@linux-sxs.org/msg02321.html |
| 05:25.33 | rumpsy | LOL |
| 05:25.43 | acidtripper | you'r such a stupid |
| 05:25.51 | acidtripper | xeon-enouf |
| 05:26.02 | rumpsy | Xeon, makes good decision |
| 05:26.53 | jetscreamer | isn't it missing a matching " |
| 05:26.59 | acidtripper | debian users, my god... you cant ask them nothing |
| 05:27.03 | jetscreamer | but if you choose to abuse my buddy |
| 05:27.17 | jetscreamer | ... |
| 05:27.31 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&safe=off&num=100&newwindow=1&q=xsession+xdm+xfce&btnG=Search |
| 05:27.35 | jetscreamer | enjoy |
| 05:28.05 | rumpsy | Good day for acidtripper |
| 05:28.17 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: exactly what happens? does it throw you to console? spit out messages? |
| 05:28.21 | xeon-enouf | !doesn't work |
| 05:28.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 05:28.37 | acidtripper | throw me to xdm again |
| 05:28.41 | jetscreamer | #!/bin/sh |
| 05:28.54 | jetscreamer | !xsession-errors |
| 05:29.05 | rumpsy | !xorg |
| 05:29.06 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:29.26 | jetscreamer | yeh two editing mistakes afaict |
| 05:29.45 | jetscreamer | needs #!/bin/sh at top and no closing " |
| 05:29.50 | xeon-enouf | checked the BTS about xdm? i recall some possibly related bugs |
| 05:29.51 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
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| 05:30.35 | jetscreamer | !blank |
| 05:30.35 | dpkg | i heard screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If 'console-tools' is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made via /etc/console-tools/config. |
| 05:30.38 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: ls -l ~/.xsession (as your regular user, not root) |
| 05:31.09 | acidtripper | i installed slim i reboot and try |
| 05:31.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg, blank is also to turn off blanking in console, try xset s off |
| 05:31.10 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 05:31.12 | acidtripper | see you soon |
| 05:31.48 | jetscreamer | i heard him threaten you!!! |
| 05:32.10 | xeon-enouf | doesn't .xsession and .xinitrc need +x ? |
| 05:32.30 | jetscreamer | i dunno, like i said, i did it once |
| 05:32.30 | xeon-enouf | oh wait, it's supposed to be sourced? |
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| 05:32.53 | jetscreamer | all the examples i found had the #!/bin/sh |
| 05:32.59 | rumpsy | xgl... is too big to install... taking time |
| 05:33.01 | xeon-enouf | i think /etc/X11/xsession/xinitrc is responsible for starters |
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| 05:33.28 | jetscreamer | http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-setup.html |
| 05:33.31 | simonrvn | you sorta need the sh hashbang, it's a script *hinthint* |
| 05:33.33 | acidtripper | slim worked great :D |
| 05:33.51 | rumpsy | :-DD acidtripper |
| 05:34.08 | xeon-enouf | oh it's /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 05:34.10 | jetscreamer | !congratulate jetscreamer |
| 05:34.11 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies jetscreamer, you did it! |
| 05:34.36 | xeon-enouf | first of which source /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 05:34.49 | simonrvn | you can't put the ampersand there for 'startxfce4' you'll make the thing exit |
| 05:35.03 | xeon-enouf | USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession |
| 05:35.04 | xeon-enouf | USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc |
| 05:35.08 | simonrvn | you want it to stay in the foreground |
| 05:35.31 | simonrvn | that's why you put the wm last, without backgrounding it, in the .xsession |
| 05:35.41 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: this is his .xsession: http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m8ce774a |
| 05:35.45 | simonrvn | see the system scripts |
| 05:35.52 | rumpsy | !slim |
| 05:35.52 | dpkg | SLiM (Simple Login Manager) is a <display manager> based on Login.app. http://slim.berlios.de/ |
| 05:36.00 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: but then tty1 doesn't ever get to be used while X is running ;-) |
| 05:36.07 | simonrvn | um, that's wrong |
| 05:36.15 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: or .. is this because of the DM? |
| 05:36.30 | simonrvn | all you need there is "#!/bin/sh\nstartxfce4\n" |
| 05:36.35 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: if no DM was involved, then what? |
| 05:36.51 | xeon-enouf | so exec is only for a .xinitrc ? |
| 05:36.55 | jetscreamer | i don't think he knows \n is a linefeed (iirc) |
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| 05:37.12 | xeon-enouf | right, \n == carraige return |
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| 05:37.22 | xeon-enouf | erm .. \c heh |
| 05:37.24 | simonrvn | FYI, the \n is a <Return> |
| 05:37.35 | xeon-enouf | man ascii! |
| 05:37.48 | nsadmin | linefeed, ctrl-j |
| 05:38.00 | jetscreamer | uh... i thought a cr gave you a linefeed in unix text |
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| 05:38.36 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.40 | nsadmin | probably it does... all I'm saying is that \n is linefeed |
| 05:38.49 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.04 | jetscreamer | uh... thought i said that |
| 05:39.12 | xeon-enouf | so did i! |
| 05:39.30 | xeon-enouf | except i had the wrong letter! :-p |
| 05:39.30 | jetscreamer | i should have siad 'hit enter' |
| 05:39.38 | jetscreamer | isad |
| 05:39.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:39.45 | xeon-enouf | it's \r. not \c, not \n |
| 05:39.52 | xeon-enouf | stupid mpoop |
| 05:40.11 | nsadmin | you said that and that cr gives linefeed, which could be true depending on the terminal, how it's set up and what it's set up for |
| 05:40.25 | xeon-enouf | and if it's msdos! |
| 05:40.28 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 05:40.38 | nsadmin | terminals predate that... |
| 05:40.43 | jetscreamer | uh yeah i was thiniking text file |
| 05:41.15 | nsadmin | oh ok... for msdos text file, it's \ |
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| 05:41.21 | nsadmin | oh ok... for msdos text file, it's \r\ |
| 05:41.24 | nsadmin | n |
| 05:41.25 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: so when was \r ever used for textfiles? |
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| 05:41.31 | xeon-enouf | right |
| 05:41.55 | nsadmin | macos pre x? |
| 05:42.25 | simonrvn | \r |
| 05:42.25 | xeon-enouf | running PC-DOS ? :-p |
| 05:42.27 | jetscreamer | 'just hit the enter key and forget it' :) |
| 05:42.32 | jetscreamer | i did that |
| 05:42.36 | jetscreamer | pc-dos i mean |
| 05:42.46 | xeon-enouf | i know billy worked for apple |
| 05:42.48 | jetscreamer | err if that was the pc-tools thing |
| 05:42.56 | jetscreamer | ibm-dos too |
| 05:43.00 | simonrvn | win/dos is \r\n |
| 05:43.09 | nsadmin | he did? when? |
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| 05:43.35 | xeon-enouf | back in the day .. lisa appleII .. something |
| 05:43.48 | acidtripper | I have an issue with banshee, i cant change song state... |
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| 05:43.55 | acidtripper | someone with same issue ?:S |
| 05:43.56 | nsadmin | he worked on lisa?? |
| 05:43.57 | xeon-enouf | i was busy banging out metal riffs |
| 05:44.04 | xeon-enouf | i did lisa |
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| 05:44.12 | nsadmin | busybangbox |
| 05:44.19 | jetscreamer | try #whateverSuppliesBanshee |
| 05:44.22 | xeon-enouf | forcefsck ;-) |
| 05:44.31 | xeon-enouf | cd modass |
| 05:44.46 | acidtripper | what? |
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| 05:45.00 | xeon-enouf | more shroooms! |
| 05:45.06 | jetscreamer | !find banshee |
| 05:45.07 | acidtripper | mashrooms :S |
| 05:45.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'banshee' (8): banshee ;; banshee-dbg ;; banshee-extension-alarm ;; banshee-extension-coverwallpaper ;; banshee-extension-lyrics ;; banshee-extension-mirage ;; monodoc-banshee-manual ;; remuco-banshee. |
| 05:45.15 | jetscreamer | !info banshee |
| 05:45.18 | dpkg | banshee: (Media Management and Playback application), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2572 kB, Installed size: 8452 kB |
| 05:45.23 | nsadmin | acidtripper nm you're just tripping... |
| 05:45.31 | acidtripper | i know what banshee is |
| 05:45.39 | jetscreamer | and now i do too |
| 05:45.39 | acidtripper | the thing is that i cant change song state |
| 05:45.44 | jetscreamer | exciting, isn't it? |
| 05:45.46 | nsadmin | +b shee? |
| 05:45.53 | acidtripper | i mean backguard or foward songs |
| 05:45.56 | jetscreamer | !seen shee |
| 05:45.57 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'shee', jetscreamer |
| 05:46.42 | rumpsy | i like 'she' |
| 05:46.42 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: can you show us ls -l ~/.xsession ? |
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| 05:47.10 | nsadmin | bansheep. |
| 05:47.17 | acidtripper | im using slim and works great xeon |
| 05:47.30 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: you still have that file :-) |
| 05:47.37 | acidtripper | yea |
| 05:47.41 | acidtripper | obviusly |
| 05:47.54 | acidtripper | -rw-r--r-- 1 gonzalo users 51 Oct 2 02:11 .xsession |
| 05:47.58 | xeon-enouf | aha! |
| 05:48.18 | xeon-enouf | now we know your username ! easier to crack! O_o |
| 05:48.22 | xeon-enouf | just kidding ;-) |
| 05:48.29 | nsadmin | doesn't .xsession need to be +x? |
| 05:48.32 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: chmod +x ~/.xsession |
| 05:48.33 | acidtripper | i will crack your ass |
| 05:48.34 | acidtripper | :P |
| 05:48.40 | xeon-enouf | !spank acidtripper |
| 05:48.41 | dpkg | bends acidtripper over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 05:48.45 | nsadmin | my ass is already cracked |
| 05:48.49 | acidtripper | jajja |
| 05:48.50 | xeon-enouf | smile! |
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| 05:49.26 | rumpsy | May be teacher did that |
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| 05:49.47 | acidtripper | your a sucker xeon |
| 05:50.06 | rumpsy | Cracked due to big hit by teacher |
| 05:50.28 | nsadmin | VH did that tune... hit by teacher... |
| 05:50.58 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: it;s when you get to the [crack], snapple, pop that the cracking it starts being fun .. and you know it's time for breakfast :-P |
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| 05:51.24 | acidtripper | its impossible to crack my account |
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| 05:51.43 | acidtripper | specially couse im under a firewall and my password isss tooo dificult |
| 05:51.44 | acidtripper | :P |
| 05:52.01 | jetscreamer | gonza |
| 05:52.24 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: that was a joke! - i asked b/c i thuoght your file didn't have the executable bit set, and it doesn't |
| 05:52.35 | nsadmin | acidtripper: could be. but saying that to crackers (who may or may not be here... who knows...) is trolling them |
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| 05:52.54 | acidtripper | jajaja obvius im trolling |
| 05:52.59 | acidtripper | everyone here |
| 05:53.15 | acidtripper | someone having that problem with banshee? i will change to ryhthmbox :S |
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| 05:53.35 | acidtripper | but its not necessary to have it as executable |
| 05:53.38 | acidtripper | as i know |
| 05:55.12 | nsadmin | I read the /etc/XSession, and used to be, it execed it which would have required it to be +x, but I think it was changed later so that .xsession was instead sourced |
| 05:55.13 | rumpsy | dream factory is good |
| 05:55.17 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: yeah, i guess not - nor any sourced file |
| 05:55.44 | acidtripper | ajam |
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| 05:57.01 | nsadmin | most debianites were using .xsession to set up their desktop; this was just before gnome hit |
| 05:57.05 | acidtripper | someone there have ever heard Joaquin Sabina? |
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| 05:57.12 | acidtripper | ajam |
| 05:57.14 | acidtripper | im using arch |
| 05:57.18 | acidtripper | not debian |
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| 05:57.29 | acidtripper | i hate kde and gnome, gdm and kdm |
| 05:57.35 | acidtripper | i like simple things |
| 05:57.43 | acidtripper | Keep.It.Simple.Stupid |
| 05:57.44 | acidtripper | KISS |
| 05:57.44 | destrudo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.48 | nsadmin | well X itself isn't all that simple |
| 05:58.00 | acidtripper | xfce |
| 05:58.06 | acidtripper | obvius |
| 05:58.09 | destrudo | xfce is too big. |
| 05:58.23 | acidtripper | but to keep my system simuple and easy to understand |
| 05:58.29 | acidtripper | destrudo: thats true |
| 05:58.48 | destrudo | lol |
| 05:58.58 | destrudo | Imma drink brandy now. |
| 05:59.17 | acidtripper | but i like graphic and eyecandy WM, but not as complicated and slow as kde gnome |
| 05:59.31 | acidtripper | there is a word to say that... |
| 05:59.39 | acidtripper | but i could remember ir |
| 05:59.45 | acidtripper | im spanish native speaker |
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| 05:59.49 | shivraj_ | im very impressed with KDE or maybe its my 3.0 ghz computer with ddr3 ram, ... this thing is lightning fast |
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| 06:00.41 | acidtripper | jaja i have a c2d with 3gb of ram |
| 06:00.49 | acidtripper | but kde is slow with compiz |
| 06:00.50 | rumpsy | Whick theme is good in gnome |
| 06:00.56 | rumpsy | Which theme is good in gnome |
| 06:01.01 | acidtripper | well, not slow but... |
| 06:01.06 | acidtripper | tango, |
| 06:01.09 | jetscreamer | real men don't install xorg!!! |
| 06:01.12 | acidtripper | minty |
| 06:01.15 | acidtripper | yeeaaa |
| 06:01.21 | acidtripper | real men use console as RMS |
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| 06:01.49 | acidtripper | but when you start messing with different libs and such things system thens to fail |
| 06:02.06 | acidtripper | , in my exprience |
| 06:02.14 | shivraj_ | jetscreamer: my shit is screaming fast, I dont think it even has the right timing for the ram which is ddr3 1800 and I can still oc the PROCESSOR on air |
| 06:02.20 | acidtripper | clearlooks jetscreamer |
| 06:02.24 | shivraj_ | its a phenom ii x 2 3.0 ghz |
| 06:02.43 | acidtripper | all pcs are fast |
| 06:02.52 | rumpsy | Clearlooks is better? |
| 06:03.03 | acidtripper | yea, is all the same rumpsy |
| 06:03.13 | acidtripper | the best is the one YOU like |
| 06:03.20 | shivraj_ | jetscreamer: real men watch porn and drink beer |
| 06:03.34 | nsadmin | acidtripper: so wouldn't it be cool if you could coordinate the versions of required lib binaries with executable binaries which were built with those libs... hmm, how would you accomplish something like that... |
| 06:03.35 | acidtripper | nahh, real men fuck |
| 06:03.58 | rumpsy | !rules |
| 06:03.58 | dpkg | it has been said that rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 06:04.11 | shivraj_ | acidtripper: sure, plus real men do online banking |
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| 06:04.20 | acidtripper | jjaa |
| 06:04.49 | acidtripper | real men go to the bank, fuck his girlfriend and have social life, pc is not all in life :D |
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| 06:05.02 | nsadmin | acidtripper: so, you're still here? :) |
| 06:05.11 | acidtripper | where? |
| 06:05.31 | acidtripper | becouse here is 03.05 and my girl is sleeping in her house :D |
| 06:05.45 | acidtripper | i eat a "asado" which is kinda barbacue |
| 06:06.14 | acidtripper | here in argentina, all you guys should one tieme in your life eat a asado |
| 06:06.15 | shivraj_ | acidtripper: not your house ? |
| 06:06.19 | nsadmin | southeast america? |
| 06:06.32 | acidtripper | nope, we are not married |
| 06:06.33 | acidtripper | yes |
| 06:06.40 | shivraj_ | acidtripper: and you trip on acid ? ewe |
| 06:06.48 | acidtripper | Argentina, Neuquen Patagonia |
| 06:06.49 | acidtripper | yes |
| 06:07.12 | rumpsy | Acid is too strong.... |
| 06:07.31 | shivraj_ | acidtripper: my friend said thats from like the 60s almost no one in america uses that shit anymore |
| 06:07.54 | acidtripper | this is my city guys http://blog.exitotravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/neuquen.jpg |
| 06:08.05 | xeon-enouf | "Now whenever the machine boots, user fred is automatically logged into the first virtual console, a bash login shell is initiated, his ~/.bash_profile is sourced, and startx is invoked -- all without any user interaction or prompting for passwords. Neat, huh?" |
| 06:08.08 | rumpsy | Reel |
| 06:08.38 | acidtripper | and these my province http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nFaYnZqzvCU/RZluRE-vUeI/AAAAAAAAARE/3gvSP-MuMgg/s640/rio%2Bhua%2Bhum%2Bneuquen.jpg |
| 06:08.58 | shivraj_ | brb |
| 06:09.03 | rumpsy | Reel |
| 06:09.07 | acidtripper | ? |
| 06:09.23 | rumpsy | Opposite to real |
| 06:09.43 | acidtripper | very beautifull flace |
| 06:09.43 | acidtripper | beautyfuldadasasa |
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| 06:12.26 | shivraj | my processor is already oced a little, and ddr is set right, ..... hehe |
| 06:12.36 | shivraj | this is bloody fast |
| 06:12.46 | rumpsy | !shivraj |
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| 06:13.20 | shivraj | why isnt there an entry for me ? |
| 06:13.22 | acidtripper | desktop shiveraj? |
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| 06:13.47 | shivraj | acidtripper: yeah , KDE, im using KDE for the first time |
| 06:13.47 | rumpsy | Why you need? |
| 06:14.03 | acidtripper | dekstop pc i mean |
| 06:14.10 | acidtripper | kde 4.3? |
| 06:14.16 | rumpsy | KIDS DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT |
| 06:14.26 | rumpsy | kids like KDE |
| 06:14.29 | shivraj | nope only 3.5 |
| 06:14.35 | shivraj | the one that comes with lenny |
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| 06:14.54 | acidtripper | pfff |
| 06:15.13 | acidtripper | install 4.3 men |
| 06:15.13 | cjones | how do i update my drvers after switching from onboard to an ati x600 pro |
| 06:15.13 | shivraj | maybe I'll install kubuntu to see what 4.3 is like |
| 06:15.13 | acidtripper | 3.5 is a shit |
| 06:15.19 | acidtripper | and old |
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| 06:15.40 | shivraj | acidtripper: but my pc is so fast it feels fine, maybe I will try it out |
| 06:15.49 | shivraj | on another computer if I can find one laying around |
| 06:15.54 | acidtripper | i have never used kde, since 4.x was released.. i liked it but in my opinion need more speed at startup |
| 06:16.21 | acidtripper | running with compiz is like 30s slower than gnome |
| 06:16.23 | cjones | id go with xfce anyday of the week |
| 06:16.56 | acidtripper | all this in cd2 3gb 800mhz |
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| 06:17.03 | acidtripper | any pc is fast with old stuff |
| 06:17.04 | shivraj | my kde is running faster than xfce right now .. but I ran xfce with sucky "vesa" display drivers |
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| 06:17.23 | acidtripper | my pc is too fast too but i dont like messy, buggy and slow things |
| 06:17.27 | cjones | ive never had a prob with it |
| 06:17.27 | xeon-enouf | cjones: maybe use radeon driver? lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 06:17.41 | acidtripper | install your display drivers man |
| 06:17.47 | cjones | xeon-enouf thanks |
| 06:18.05 | xeon-enouf | cjones: show us output of that command |
| 06:18.06 | nsadmin | since you have the source... |
| 06:18.12 | ces200 | hello, how can i setup sbnc ? |
| 06:18.18 | acidtripper | any using unstable or testing? |
| 06:18.23 | nsadmin | you can find out why things are messy, buggy and slow |
| 06:18.34 | acidtripper | stable is too old, in the only pc i would use it is on a server |
| 06:18.40 | acidtripper | for desktop naa |
| 06:18.43 | cjones | xeon-enouf thanks01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)] [1002:5b62] |
| 06:19.01 | xeon-enouf | "Encrypting a laptop with dm-crypt without reinstalling from scratch" found an article, seems reasonable - one day i'll mess wuth it |
| 06:19.02 | cjones | so i take it tits already working |
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| 06:19.14 | xeon-enouf | judd: xorg 1002:5b62 |
| 06:19.15 | judd | xeon-enouf: In lenny, device 1002:5b62 is matched by xorg driver: 'radeon'. |
| 06:19.21 | nsadmin | both tits working... yep. |
| 06:19.36 | xeon-enouf | cjones: grep radeon_drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:19.36 | cjones | edit its lol |
| 06:19.47 | xeon-enouf | milk! |
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| 06:20.06 | cjones | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so |
| 06:20.14 | xeon-enouf | cjones: yep - it's loaded |
| 06:20.24 | cjones | sweet thanks man |
| 06:20.54 | xeon-enouf | cjones: dpkg -l libgl1* | grep ^.i |
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| 06:21.00 | acidtripper | my laptop have setup password |
| 06:21.06 | xeon-enouf | pastebin it if more than 1 line |
| 06:21.12 | acidtripper | is a compaq and when i power on ask for pass |
| 06:21.28 | rumpsy | Debian Lenny Rocks |
| 06:21.29 | xeon-enouf | cjones: also lsmod | egrep 'drm|dri' |
| 06:21.34 | acidtripper | mm |
| 06:21.41 | acidtripper | Debian Oldie you mean? |
| 06:21.46 | cjones | http://pastebin.ca/1588990 |
| 06:22.01 | acidtripper | kde 3.5? i used that wm 3 years ago man |
| 06:22.08 | shivraj | when are we going to have the wedding ceremony for judd and dpkg |
| 06:22.10 | acidtripper | Olddy |
| 06:22.36 | xeon-enouf | cjones: that looks fine - except- you're using Ubuntu :-p |
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| 06:22.45 | xeon-enouf | go to #ubuntu please |
| 06:22.58 | shivraj | ubuntu .. yuck! |
| 06:23.00 | rumpsy | Fetching failed from Debain.org |
| 06:23.08 | acidtripper | Debian, ubuntu all the same |
| 06:23.13 | epifanio | hi All |
| 06:23.19 | acidtripper | apt-get way yuck! |
| 06:23.19 | cjones | xeon-enouf i am just doing it for the nice studio package |
| 06:23.29 | xeon-enouf | cjones: or ask more in #radeon or ##linux - just tell everyone which distro and version |
| 06:23.47 | Yucatan | ubuntu sucks |
| 06:23.56 | xeon-enouf | !tell acidtripper -about based on debian |
| 06:24.03 | Yucatan | not everybody can be as good as debian:D |
| 06:24.07 | epifanio | i need to change the service that starts at boot time, like tomacat an posgresql. i need to velocize the boot so i want set this servis to "stop" |
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| 06:24.09 | cjones | well this is the first time ive booted in to linux asince i installed the card so wasent sure |
| 06:24.16 | cjones | no problems yes |
| 06:24.19 | cjones | yet |
| 06:24.20 | acidtripper | i know stupid that ubuntu is based on denbia |
| 06:24.22 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 06:24.28 | acidtripper | i dont like ubuntu and i dont like debian |
| 06:24.35 | acidtripper | i dont like apt-get |
| 06:24.36 | nsadmin | acidtripper: apt-get was released fairly early, and was only ever meant as a test of libapt |
| 06:24.43 | epifanio | ... in this way i'll can start them if needed, how can i set to "stop" as default state ? |
| 06:24.53 | epifanio | --- ah! thanx xeon-enouf ! |
| 06:25.00 | acidtripper | i know all that, but the thing is i dont like debian, sooo i dont like ubuntu.. |
| 06:25.01 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: you want to speed up boot (not velocize) |
| 06:25.07 | cjones | ubuntu has given me so much more then an os ....its gave me somthing to hate |
| 06:25.12 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: i told you how |
| 06:25.23 | xeon-enouf | !+tell epifanio -about rcconf |
| 06:25.23 | epifanio | humm ... sorry :-( ... yes i need to speed up |
| 06:25.23 | dpkg | told epifanio about rcconf. |
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| 06:25.28 | acidtripper | but sometimes ubuntu is useful to get a linux system running out of the box |
| 06:25.35 | nsadmin | acidtripper: and you're still here? :) |
| 06:25.36 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 06:25.37 | acidtripper | if you dont have time to mess with config files |
| 06:25.40 | shivraj | acidtripper: saying ubuntu and debian are the same is like saying audi and bmw are the same |
| 06:26.07 | cjones | shirva more like bmw and mini |
| 06:26.13 | xeon-enouf | or porsche and volkswagon :-P |
| 06:26.24 | nsadmin | or volvo and ford |
| 06:26.24 | cjones | or chevy and gmc |
| 06:26.27 | shivraj | thanks for fixing my analogy |
| 06:26.32 | nsadmin | oh wait, those are the same... |
| 06:26.38 | xeon-enouf | or a hummer and a beamer O_0 |
| 06:27.01 | nsadmin | what's your mer? |
| 06:27.14 | xeon-enouf | !ricerocket |
| 06:27.34 | cjones | i still dont see the problem with ubuntu other then it installs a bunch of packages you dont need |
| 06:27.43 | xeon-enouf | oh wait, that's a car that runs on gentoo |
| 06:28.08 | cjones | bmw is useing poen source for its new nav system |
| 06:28.35 | acidtripper | dpkg is bothering in private messages |
| 06:28.36 | dpkg | acidtripper: no idea |
| 06:28.36 | xeon-enouf | don't they make faucets? :-P |
| 06:28.40 | xeon-enouf | moen |
| 06:28.51 | acidtripper | he is telling me that im using windows |
| 06:29.01 | acidtripper | do you wanna se a screenshot? babe,,, |
| 06:29.05 | Yucatan | yeah liek porsche and volkswagon porsche is debian volkswagon is ubuntu:D |
| 06:29.06 | acidtripper | see |
| 06:29.30 | k]t | windows like in Operating System? |
| 06:29.47 | rumpsy | help me in --fix-missing? |
| 06:29.58 | xeon-enouf | Yucatan: they even have a version called the volkswagon "Bug" |
| 06:30.00 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
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| 06:30.32 | acidtripper | dpkg is bothering |
| 06:30.33 | dpkg | acidtripper: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:30.37 | xeon-enouf | when being nice, it's referred to as the Beetle |
| 06:30.40 | acidtripper | no why? |
| 06:30.43 | nsadmin | watches in horror as the car analogies fall apart one by one... |
| 06:30.51 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: stop making mistakes |
| 06:31.06 | acidtripper | im spanish native speaker |
| 06:31.11 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: i could subreference forever :-p |
| 06:31.17 | acidtripper | spelling mistakes? |
| 06:31.34 | xeon-enouf | !wayttd acidtripper |
| 06:31.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, acidtripper? |
| 06:31.50 | acidtripper | nothing |
| 06:32.04 | acidtripper | you? |
| 06:32.24 | xeon-enouf | locate another sucker :-) |
| 06:32.34 | acidtripper | are you bored? that you have to bother other people who use a different and better distro? |
| 06:32.35 | xeon-enouf | runs |
| 06:32.52 | acidtripper | dpkg, a typical debian user |
| 06:32.53 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, acidtripper |
| 06:33.01 | acidtripper | poor |
| 06:33.02 | xeon-enouf | acidtripper: do you have a debian question we might help with? |
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| 06:33.10 | xeon-enouf | further .. that is |
| 06:33.20 | acidtripper | yes, how you package manager works? |
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| 06:33.35 | xeon-enouf | what do you mean 'how'? |
| 06:33.48 | xeon-enouf | we feed it whole grain rice |
| 06:33.53 | nsadmin | acidtripper: actually... if you ask yourself the same question.... |
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| 06:34.12 | nsadmin | carbs!! |
| 06:34.12 | acidtripper | i doesn't have any question |
| 06:34.19 | acidtripper | dont |
| 06:34.27 | shivraj | watching kde 4.3 video on youtube, wholy crap thats nice |
| 06:34.41 | acidtripper | there are 837 users, ask other |
| 06:34.49 | nsadmin | are you bored? that you have to bother other people who use a different and better distro? |
| 06:35.01 | acidtripper | that was for dpkg |
| 06:35.12 | acidtripper | who is bothering through private messages |
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| 06:35.30 | nsadmin | you can also msg it |
| 06:35.52 | acidtripper | i dont want to |
| 06:36.44 | acidtripper | dpkg is using a bot |
| 06:36.44 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, acidtripper |
| 06:36.58 | nsadmin | let's see, let's take "and better" out |
| 06:37.10 | acidtripper | dpkg is using a bot |
| 06:37.11 | dpkg | acidtripper: are you using Windows? |
| 06:37.20 | rumpsy | Some may hate these books http://prernalal.com/banned%20books/ |
| 06:37.22 | acidtripper | and flooding me on private |
| 06:37.24 | nsadmin | acidtripper: are you bored? that you have to bother other people who use a different distro? |
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| 06:37.54 | acidtripper | DPK IS USING A BOT AND FLOODING ME |
| 06:37.54 | nsadmin | (notice I fail to claim what's better) |
| 06:38.03 | acidtripper | someone should ban him |
| 06:38.06 | nsadmin | dpkg -is- a bot |
| 06:38.07 | dpkg | nsadmin: wish i knew |
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| 06:38.16 | acidtripper | ajjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjajajalol |
| 06:38.17 | acidtripper | lol |
| 06:38.18 | acidtripper | lol |
| 06:38.33 | acidtripper | lollol |
| 06:38.34 | acidtripper | lol |
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| 06:38.59 | liable | twat |
| 06:39.09 | nsadmin | all gone! |
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| 06:40.26 | acidtripper | mm |
| 06:40.38 | nsadmin | poetic |
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| 06:41.35 | xeon-enouf | k]t: please read this man pages, and tell me if they mean Windows as in generic windows, or Windows as in WindowsOS [tm] ... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m60d352d9 |
| 06:41.43 | acidtripper | i talked with a bot a long time |
| 06:42.01 | acidtripper | and i finished baned bocouse i wrote 5 times lol |
| 06:42.18 | xeon-enouf | and Windows's should be Windows' (only) |
| 06:42.27 | acidtripper | ? |
| 06:42.30 | simonrvn | that's one dude i already had on /ignore |
| 06:42.33 | nsadmin | acidtripper: so what's your purpose? I'd think you'd be bored being here since this is mostly a debian support channel (not that it's a bad thing since nothing's going on right now) |
| 06:42.33 | liable | acidtripper: talk to the bot in private. stop clogging the channel with drivel please |
| 06:43.18 | acidtripper | im not talking with bot, i thought it was a person who was flooding with a bot |
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| 06:43.24 | simonrvn | it was more than 5 times... |
| 06:43.40 | nsadmin | debhelper must be laggede |
| 06:43.51 | acidtripper | yes 7 |
| 06:44.03 | nsadmin | or the timing was such that it wasn't perceived as a flood yet |
| 06:44.37 | acidtripper | guys any using testing? |
| 06:45.01 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:45.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:45.45 | acidtripper | dpkg is a bot from the channel or someone else is hosting it? |
| 06:45.46 | dpkg | acidtripper: are you using Windows? |
| 06:46.02 | simonrvn | acidtripper: none of your business |
| 06:46.12 | acidtripper | sorry? |
| 06:46.22 | acidtripper | are bots permited here? |
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| 06:47.33 | *** topic/#debian is lenny (debian 5.0.3) released!: /msg dpkg lennyr3 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 06:47.39 | jetscreamer | it's a-i |
| 06:47.43 | rumpsy | dpkg hates bots |
| 06:47.43 | dpkg | rumpsy: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:47.55 | nsadmin | yes, you can host a bot... but I don't think it would be allowed to join here |
| 06:48.05 | simonrvn | no it wouldn't |
| 06:48.12 | acidtripper | i can try :P |
| 06:48.13 | jetscreamer | they can join, but have a tendency to get banned when they do stuff |
| 06:48.23 | jetscreamer | ~lart dpkg |
| 06:48.23 | apt | lowers dpkg's priority |
| 06:48.41 | epifanio | i also tried to run rcconf , change the state for tomcat, quit rcconf ; re-open rcconf i can see it has forghet my settings and it is again as default |
| 06:48.41 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:48.48 | simonrvn | acidtripper: you could try to leave, too |
| 06:49.11 | nsadmin | yep, folks are definitely getting tired of this |
| 06:49.20 | acidtripper | i will do what i want to do not what you want to make me do |
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| 06:49.33 | acidtripper | ok, i will not talk again |
| 06:49.43 | jetscreamer | !intelligent questions |
| 06:49.44 | dpkg | well, intelligent questions is You probably want to ask about "smart questions". Someone who needs help asking smart questions might trip over or get bruised by a word like "intelligent". |
| 06:49.51 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 06:50.07 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: as root? and which debian release? |
| 06:50.14 | jetscreamer | !tell acidtripper -about smart questions |
| 06:50.22 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: did you run update-rcconf-guide yet? |
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| 06:50.43 | epifanio | xeon-enouf: no i only used rcconf |
| 06:50.55 | acidtripper | !jetscreamer whos the silly now? |
| 06:50.56 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: hit TAB to jump to and highlight 'Ok' ; hit enter .. use SPACEBAR to toggle On/off service |
| 06:51.15 | epifanio | xeon-enouf: this what i done |
| 06:51.16 | fredl | hi guys. I apparently have two audio devices in my system, one Intel HDA but a second on my HD4350 HDMI card. |
| 06:51.18 | jetscreamer | parse error |
| 06:51.30 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: then maybe you havea a ro FS |
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| 06:51.44 | epifanio | what is a ro FS ? |
| 06:51.50 | jetscreamer | read only |
| 06:51.51 | rumpsy | Prefer yours |
| 06:51.53 | nsadmin | read only file system |
| 06:51.54 | xeon-enouf | or /var/ parts are , or someshit ... -- which release? |
| 06:51.58 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: hush! |
| 06:52.01 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
| 06:52.04 | fredl | I see the ATI audio device in lspci but I have no clue how to use it. Any thoughts? |
| 06:52.28 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: i smell some *buntu |
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| 06:52.28 | epifanio | huh? is this dangerouse ? |
| 06:52.28 | nsadmin | oh, sorry, I didn't know we were in acronym support mode :) |
| 06:52.31 | xeon-enouf | gives up |
| 06:52.40 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 06:53.05 | jetscreamer | fredl: you might ask in #ati as well |
| 06:53.27 | fredl | 'k |
| 06:53.42 | rumpsy | !tell fredl about audio |
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| 06:53.43 | nsadmin | KIBBL! |
| 06:53.46 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i think some cards have separate functions, one for AC97, another for HDMI stuffs |
| 06:53.52 | nsadmin | Keep It Beefy By Larting! |
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| 06:54.02 | epifanio | it is a debian machine running on a VirtualBox (installed on my debian desktop ) how can i face out this weird problem ? |
| 06:54.14 | xeon-enouf | fredl: especially ones like yours |
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| 06:54.31 | jetscreamer | hey debian suports ubuntu... packages have ... i forget the term... hooks for other distros |
| 06:54.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg is one example |
| 06:54.41 | dpkg | jetscreamer: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:54.57 | jetscreamer | i was reading the dpkg bts yesterday and found out |
| 06:55.16 | jetscreamer | and i don't mean our favorite a-i here |
| 06:55.24 | simonrvn | triggers |
| 06:55.29 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: rename the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ tjhat cause your service to start |
| 06:55.33 | rumpsy | seeya |
| 06:55.35 | acidtripper | today is Gandhi Birthday |
| 06:55.45 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: rcconf has always worked for me |
| 06:55.50 | acidtripper | guys you should learn some things from he |
| 06:55.55 | jetscreamer | and this is relevant to debian support in what what |
| 06:55.55 | rumpsy | Yep... i like gandhiji |
| 06:55.59 | fredl | xeon-enouf, that doesn't tell me much does it? :-) |
| 06:56.05 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: cat /proc/version |
| 06:56.09 | jetscreamer | s/what\ what/what\ way/ |
| 06:56.10 | rumpsy | Father of Indian nation |
| 06:56.19 | xeon-enouf | fredl: not really :-P try alsasrc.org or something :-) |
| 06:56.27 | rumpsy | Salute to Mahatma Gandhi.... |
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| 06:57.10 | xeon-enouf | Mama+Hat == muhHoTmama :-p |
| 06:57.15 | nsadmin | acidtripper: learn from he hoo? |
| 06:57.31 | acidtripper | him |
| 06:57.50 | nsadmin | him hoo? |
| 06:58.03 | acidtripper | Mahadma Ghandi |
| 06:58.11 | acidtripper | peace revolution |
| 06:58.27 | nsadmin | oh, well, he does have a lot to say on the subject |
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| 06:59.41 | acidtripper | anyone using testing? |
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| 07:00.10 | nsadmin | dpkg, anyone use testing? |
| 07:00.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses testing, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:00.26 | acidtripper | becouse as i see here is a group of lamers who cant update to testing |
| 07:00.26 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 07:00.36 | acidtripper | unstable |
| 07:00.36 | jetscreamer | you should try it |
| 07:00.49 | acidtripper | i use other distro |
| 07:00.56 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I'm really not that familiar with most audio stuff but I see the card in 'aplay -l' |
| 07:00.57 | acidtripper | which ir rolling release |
| 07:01.02 | jetscreamer | no, exp>unstable |
| 07:01.04 | nsadmin | the thing is... people can decide what they want to run |
| 07:01.12 | acidtripper | which means: updated packages |
| 07:01.13 | jetscreamer | nothey cannot! |
| 07:01.21 | acidtripper | not obsolete |
| 07:01.24 | fredl | xeon-enouf, so I'm quite sure I shouldn't have much of a problem, I just need to know how. |
| 07:01.26 | jetscreamer | it's not allowed by the 'debian code of honor' |
| 07:01.34 | stew | acidtripper: can you please keep your comments in here both on-topic and constructive |
| 07:01.44 | acidtripper | yes |
| 07:01.54 | streuner | haha |
| 07:01.58 | acidtripper | its not allowed by debian code of honor to use experimental packages? |
| 07:01.59 | jetscreamer | note iirc stew is an op with power to ban you |
| 07:02.03 | stew | acidtripper: thanks |
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| 07:03.09 | acidtripper | stew your welcome |
| 07:03.32 | nsadmin | unplugs the cord of hono |
| 07:03.35 | jetscreamer | your == su , the correct word would be 'you're' |
| 07:03.45 | stew | we all know what he meant... |
| 07:03.51 | jetscreamer | just trying to help |
| 07:03.54 | stew | no you aren't |
| 07:03.59 | jetscreamer | english not native language |
| 07:04.01 | jetscreamer | yes i am |
| 07:04.36 | jetscreamer | i troll much better than that |
| 07:05.00 | streuner | looks at his popcorn... |
| 07:05.16 | acidtripper | stew why that mood? |
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| 07:06.16 | stew | acidtripper: becuase this package upload is going easier than expected |
| 07:06.29 | acidtripper | what? |
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| 07:07.17 | nsadmin | acidtripper: I think he's saying he's in a good mood... |
| 07:07.28 | stew | acidtripper: i'm in such a good mood becuase this package I'm uploading is turning out to be easier to prepare than normal |
| 07:07.44 | acidtripper | what package r u uploading? |
| 07:08.12 | jetscreamer | (note i didn't spam the u factoid) |
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| 07:08.37 | lkthomas | guys |
| 07:08.44 | acidtripper | gays :P |
| 07:08.45 | lkthomas | is it possible to run logrotate every minutes ? |
| 07:08.50 | matt7676 | Is there a possibility to find out whether the server is virtual or physical? |
| 07:08.52 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 07:09.01 | matt7676 | ..only knowing the IP/hostname |
| 07:09.36 | stew | acidtripper: pyx |
| 07:09.49 | acidtripper | what is pyx? |
| 07:09.51 | stew | acidtripper: this is the wrong channel for gays |
| 07:09.56 | stew | acidtripper: its a package I'm uploading |
| 07:10.02 | acidtripper | something related to python? |
| 07:10.06 | stew | yes |
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| 07:10.16 | jetscreamer | he meant for abusing the word |
| 07:10.38 | acidtripper | what pyx does? |
| 07:10.43 | AimHere | matt7676: echo "Is your server virtual or physical?" | mail root@hostname ? |
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| 07:12.01 | epifanio | xeon-enouf: i succesfull tried : sys-rc-conf it is able to change the rc settings |
| 07:12.28 | jetscreamer | python-pyx ? |
| 07:12.43 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show python-pyx |
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| 07:13.07 | acidtripper | i dont use debian |
| 07:13.20 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:13.38 | jetscreamer | whips out the trollbat |
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| 07:14.16 | jetscreamer | now you may accuse me and be correct :) |
| 07:14.43 | stew | acidtripper: do you have debian realted questions we could help you with? |
| 07:14.54 | acidtripper | no |
| 07:14.58 | acidtripper | at this moment |
| 07:15.02 | acidtripper | look this cool http://cmdrtaco.net/jubei/beta.shtml |
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| 07:15.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@190.19.235.226] by stew |
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| 07:15.33 | stew | then I'm going to silence you for 10 minutes for being off-topic. this channel should really be used solely for support questions |
| 07:15.36 | stew | thanks |
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| 07:16.25 | jetscreamer | same guy |
| 07:16.29 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 07:16.39 | jetscreamer | ah yeah |
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| 07:16.45 | streuner | clever |
| 07:16.52 | nsadmin | unless that's gonzalo rubalcaba... |
| 07:17.05 | jetscreamer | same ip though, no good |
| 07:17.29 | nsadmin | he's got the ip silenced, so it's no biggie :) |
| 07:17.34 | stew | it's no matter, we can stay focussed on debian... |
| 07:17.34 | jetscreamer | +b!=+m |
| 07:17.39 | jetscreamer | right |
| 07:18.57 | matt7676 | AimHere: :) This isn't my machine. |
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| 07:19.14 | matt7676 | AimHere: I mean I can't log in there |
| 07:20.14 | AimHere | I didn't say you could. The idea was to do it frmo your home machine. |
| 07:20.27 | AimHere | It was a joke way of mailing the sysadmin of the machine to ask him |
| 07:20.39 | matt7676 | AimHere: yes, I understood :) |
| 07:20.57 | stew | heh, it occurs to me that I didn't really know what python-pyx does. I just know I was also the last person to upload and I'm looking at the interdiff since the last time :) |
| 07:21.10 | lkthomas | guys, why logrotate compressed old log file but the .txt file still exists ? |
| 07:21.27 | stew | lkthomas: which file exactly? |
| 07:21.43 | lkthomas | this one /var/log/catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt |
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| 07:22.12 | stew | lkthomas: can you pastebin the logrotate rules that you think should be rotating it? |
| 07:22.20 | matt7676 | AimHere: however, is there a possibility to check this without logging in to the server? |
| 07:22.21 | lkthomas | it's like this: catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt |
| 07:22.21 | lkthomas | catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt.1.gz |
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| 07:23.01 | lkthomas | http://www.pastebin.ca/1589043 |
| 07:23.05 | lkthomas | please check |
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| 07:24.59 | stew | lkthomas: who decides on the filename for the log? the service that creates it? and how does it decide? by the current day? |
| 07:25.08 | lkthomas | yes |
| 07:25.13 | lkthomas | tomcat itself rotate it |
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| 07:25.32 | stew | lkthomas: so when you restart, ot rotates catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt to catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt.1 and then it creates a new catalina_log.2009-09-18.txt, since its still the same day? |
| 07:25.44 | lkthomas | no wait |
| 07:25.51 | lkthomas | it does not restart |
| 07:25.57 | stew | ok |
| 07:25.57 | lkthomas | tomcat auto create new file with current date |
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| 07:26.15 | stew | seems like everything is working correctly then |
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| 07:26.53 | acidtripper | ee |
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| 07:28.02 | lkthomas | but then it does not remove the old log file ? |
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| 07:30.32 | acidtripper | why you loged rhythmbox stew? |
| 07:30.38 | acidtripper | CAN YOUU HELP ME? |
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| 07:31.00 | stew | acidtripper: can you please keep this channel specific to debian realted questions? |
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| 07:32.15 | acidtripper | i will |
| 07:32.36 | jony123 | What could this mean Your forward and reverse DNS don't match |
| 07:33.35 | acidtripper | do you know which lib can let me change track state while reproducing on rythmbox or banshee? |
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| 07:34.22 | fredl | so when you see 3 audiodevices in aplay -l, how do you tell the system to use a specific device as default? |
| 07:34.38 | acidtripper | alsaconf |
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| 07:34.55 | stew | jony123: for a given ip address, say 74.125.45.100, you look up the name for that IP address, for instance with "host 74.125.45.100" and you get "yx-in-f100.google.com", you then run "host yx-in-f100.google.com", you better get the original "74.125.45.100" as a reply |
| 07:35.07 | fredl | 'k |
| 07:35.34 | jony123 | stew: Hmm |
| 07:35.40 | acidtripper | stew, do you know which lib is the one that let change song time while reproducing |
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| 07:36.05 | stew | acidtripper: what does "apt-cache policy rythmbox" say for "Installed:"? |
| 07:36.32 | acidtripper | i dont know |
| 07:36.41 | acidtripper | gstreamer |
| 07:36.44 | acidtripper | brasero, blabla |
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| 07:37.27 | jony123 | stew: could you test something for me? |
| 07:37.31 | stew | acidtripper: just type the comand and you can show us the output |
| 07:37.41 | stew | fredl: http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards |
| 07:37.42 | kraut | moin |
| 07:38.44 | fredl | tnx stew. |
| 07:39.34 | acidtripper | (rhythmbox:3351): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Unable to start mDNS browsing: mDNS service is not running |
| 07:39.34 | stew | fredl: if you want something that isn't system wide, google for asoundrc (and good luck :) ) |
| 07:39.37 | alnr | after upgrading to lenny and installing php5 it does not install properly. eg files like /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/curl.so are mising. it as if some depended on package is not being pulled in |
| 07:40.02 | stew | acidtripper: what did "apt-cache policy rythmbox" say for "Installed:"? |
| 07:40.11 | fredl | nah, I want it systemwide, I'll hook up this system to my HDMI port on my A/V amp. |
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| 07:40.18 | acidtripper | (rhythmbox:3351): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_object_unref: assertion `object != NULL' failed |
| 07:40.49 | acidtripper | gstreamer0.10-ugly-plugins: Extra media codecs |
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| 07:41.17 | swoody | is there an easy how-to for getting all codecs/java setup? |
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| 07:42.25 | gonzalo__ | :S |
| 07:43.09 | fredl | stew - real stupid question but I don't have /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf nor /etc/asound.conf on Debian Lenny. |
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| 07:43.46 | stew | fredl: do you have an /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf instead or something? |
| 07:43.58 | stew | fredl: filenames in /etc/modprobe.d don't matter at all, so the file could be named anything |
| 07:44.14 | stew | fredl: the important thing is that in SOME file in that directory you define the correct aliases |
| 07:44.25 | stew | alnr: what makes you think you should have a file with that name? |
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| 07:45.02 | fredl | well I'm looking in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base but it doesn't have the alias char-major mentioned in that URL |
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| 07:45.19 | stew | alnr: actually i guess you should, from the php5-curl package |
| 07:45.39 | stew | fredl: does "grep char-major /etc/modprobe.d/*" return anythng? |
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| 07:46.40 | fredl | yes in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but no char-major-116 |
| 07:47.03 | shivraj | I keep getting this error, cant find /usr/share.../kdm/themes/moreblue-orbit |
| 07:47.16 | fredl | there's also /etc/modprobe.d/sound which has alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel |
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| 07:47.47 | shivraj | I installed kdm-themes and kdm |
| 07:48.18 | fredl | If I understand right, I think I want to have snd_hda_codec_atihdmi be snd-card-0... |
| 07:48.21 | shivraj | do I set the theme in kdm ? |
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| 07:48.27 | pif | hi, if my /dev/fuse has wrong perms, where should I look to correct that? |
| 07:48.40 | fredl | well |
| 07:48.41 | fredl | maybe |
| 07:48.59 | jetscreamer | /etc/fuse iirc, i forget |
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| 07:49.23 | jetscreamer | i fyou mean for the user |
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| 07:49.58 | simonrvn | shivraj: do update-alternatives --config desktop-background as root |
| 07:49.59 | fredl | I think alsaconf gets confused because both the ATI HDMI device and the motherboard device *are* hda-intel |
| 07:50.01 | pif | on one box /dev/fuse is root:fuse (good) but on another box it's root:root |
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| 07:50.08 | simonrvn | shivraj: just hit 0 |
| 07:50.10 | radoe | pif: the devicenode gets created with wrong permissions? Then you should have a look at your udev rules. |
| 07:50.19 | pif | ack |
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| 07:50.48 | shivraj | simonrvn: hit 0 ? |
| 07:51.02 | fredl | stew - I should probably first read that page you gave me :) |
| 07:51.10 | simonrvn | type 0 and enter |
| 07:51.22 | shivraj | hit 0 to configure kdm theme when logging in ? |
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| 07:51.47 | simonrvn | shivraj: no. see above for update-alternatives |
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| 07:53.16 | shivraj | simonrvn: No alternatives for desktop-background. |
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| 07:53.27 | shivraj | shouldnt it be kdm-theme ? |
| 07:54.23 | shivraj | it crashes when I try to set it fro mthe GUI |
| 07:55.05 | fredl | gotta love how Debian messes up all the filenames mentioned in the ALSA documentation :/ |
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| 07:56.17 | simonrvn | shivraj: hm ok. weird. because i just had a very similar issue... check in /etc/alternatives for dangling symlinks |
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| 07:58.08 | streuner | fredl: which package? |
| 07:58.46 | fredl | streuner, I'm reading http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards, almost none of the config files mentioned there have the same name on my Lenny box. |
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| 08:00.37 | fredl | streuner, I guess alsa-base |
| 08:02.08 | xeon-enouf | shivraj: check /etc/default/kdm/* |
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| 08:11.16 | JyZyXEL | 192.168.0.0/24 is routed thru eth0, now what if i would like to have an exception that 192.168.0.2 gets routed thru eth1 |
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| 08:11.41 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 via 1.2.3.4 dev eth1 |
| 08:12.04 | shivraj | simonrvn: I fixed it I changed the kdm theme to Debian .. in one of the /etc/config files |
| 08:12.22 | shivraj | bg sucks, it plain blue, :( good night |
| 08:12.28 | JyZyXEL | RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 08:12.37 | simonrvn | shivraj: /etc/alternatives ? (dunno what you're talking about WRT /etc/config ) |
| 08:12.54 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 08:12.59 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: then either eth1 does not exist, is not up or 1.2.3.4 is not reachable there. |
| 08:13.17 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: likely /etc/kde*/kdm/* |
| 08:13.25 | JyZyXEL | o.o |
| 08:13.45 | JyZyXEL | im trying to reach 192.168.0.2 on eth1 |
| 08:14.05 | JyZyXEL | so maybe: sudo ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 via 192.168.0.2 dev eth |
| 08:14.14 | JyZyXEL | eth1* |
| 08:15.20 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: nonsense |
| 08:15.35 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: you'll have to use a gateway that has a local address reachable on eth1 |
| 08:15.42 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: what does your network look like? what addresses are set? |
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| 08:16.37 | JyZyXEL | Wulf_: i have an ADSL modem hooked to the eth1 so i could access its WebUI |
| 08:16.56 | JyZyXEL | and i think the ADSL modem should have ip-address 192.168.0.2 |
| 08:16.56 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: does it have an ip address? |
| 08:16.57 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: can you change it's IP address? |
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| 08:17.07 | xeon-enouf | suspects some sicko whacko ipmasquerading attempts, and so hides |
| 08:17.08 | JyZyXEL | i can if i can access it |
| 08:17.09 | Wulf_ | jelly-home: they all have. |
| 08:17.09 | JyZyXEL | :D |
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| 08:17.55 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: can you change the network used on eth0? |
| 08:18.12 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: remove the via x.y.z.{ |
| 08:18.29 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r", for starters |
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| 08:18.43 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home: well no, eth0 is using 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 08:18.56 | JyZyXEL | there is no 192.168.0.2 on it tho |
| 08:19.03 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: why can you not change it? |
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| 08:19.30 | JyZyXEL | that would cause all my connections to drop |
| 08:19.48 | JyZyXEL | the whole point is not to have that happen |
| 08:20.04 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: assign some 192.168.0.x address with netmask 32 (255.255.255.255) to eth1 and type: ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 dev eth1 |
| 08:20.16 | radoe | JyZyXEL: just add a /32 aka hostroute to it on eth1: ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 dev eth1 |
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| 08:21.38 | nsadmin | is this how to move existing connections to a different wire? |
| 08:21.45 | jelly-home | nsadmin: no. |
| 08:22.28 | JyZyXEL | well its not working :\ |
| 08:23.24 | JyZyXEL | maybe the route is still cached to eth0 or something else nasty |
| 08:23.32 | jelly-home | which ip have you given to eth1? |
| 08:23.37 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: pastebin: ip addr show; ip route show |
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| 08:24.04 | JyZyXEL | the eth1 got an ip-address from the bridged ADSL modem |
| 08:24.07 | mernill | hi all! :-) |
| 08:24.20 | JyZyXEL | with DHCP |
| 08:24.21 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: pastebin: ip addr show; ip route show |
| 08:24.29 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: don't use dhcp. |
| 08:24.29 | jelly-home | Wulf_: that's what I said! |
| 08:24.41 | Wulf_ | jelly-home: that doesn't make it wrong. |
| 08:24.47 | mernill | my fellow irish friend.. i hope you vote no in the referendum! |
| 08:25.05 | mernill | tha't is my hope. |
| 08:25.31 | jelly-home | mernill: um... ##politics is over there --> |
| 08:25.48 | mernill | jelly <-- sorry .. :-) |
| 08:25.53 | JyZyXEL | how do you pipe them both to pastebinit? |
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| 08:26.03 | JyZyXEL | ip addr show; ip route show | pastebinit - wouldn't work |
| 08:26.13 | Wulf_ | (a; b) | c |
| 08:26.34 | Wooga | is there any guides to making own usb-stick debian installer? |
| 08:26.50 | JyZyXEL | looks like pastebinit is broken AGAIN |
| 08:26.51 | Wooga | not from netinstall, but from first CD image from example |
| 08:27.02 | Wooga | s/from/for/ |
| 08:27.05 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL has no web browser? |
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| 08:27.22 | JyZyXEL | i hate web browsers |
| 08:27.31 | xeon-enouf | use links2! |
| 08:27.46 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL finds someone else to help him. |
| 08:27.55 | JyZyXEL | i don't have a mouse |
| 08:27.56 | xeon-enouf | or nc ;-) |
| 08:28.02 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to paste in console |
| 08:28.23 | JyZyXEL | maybe somehow with screen |
| 08:28.39 | xeon-enouf | output to file then upload |
| 08:28.42 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 08:28.43 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 08:28.48 | JyZyXEL | life can get real tricky when pastebinit is broken |
| 08:29.28 | JyZyXEL | http://paste.debian.net/47951/ |
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| 08:30.43 | fredl | Hmm, this is challenging... I just hooked up my HDMI TV which is 27" |
| 08:30.58 | fredl | and xchat barely fits on it. |
| 08:31.16 | fredl | Debian for the visually incredibly challenged I guess :P |
| 08:31.25 | xeon-enouf | gives fredl something ..er ... larger :-p |
| 08:31.39 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: assign some 192.168.0.x address with netmask 32 (255.255.255.255) to eth1 and type: ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 dev eth1 |
| 08:31.46 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: future reference... look into xclip |
| 08:31.50 | swoody | can anyone link me to a how-to so I can upgrade from stable to sid? |
| 08:31.51 | fredl | well at some point I'll hook up this server to my 42" screen |
| 08:32.01 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: i |
| 08:32.08 | fredl | so it will all be even bigger. |
| 08:32.11 | nsadmin | j! |
| 08:32.13 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: i would presume no X ;-P |
| 08:32.23 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 08:32.26 | Wulf_ | JyZyXEL: e.g. ip addr add 192.168.0.192/32 dev eth1; ip route add 192.168.0.2/32 src 192.168.0.192 dev eh1 |
| 08:32.47 | nsadmin | ok, so -distant- future reference... |
| 08:33.00 | nsadmin | why is pastebinit broke? |
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| 08:34.05 | fredl | weird, as far as I can tell, amdcccle says the resolution is 1920x1280 |
| 08:34.23 | fredl | so why is everything so fucking huge. |
| 08:34.48 | JyZyXEL | how did you assign addresses to interfaces? |
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| 08:35.52 | xeon-enouf | fredl: ctrl-alt-[+\- |
| 08:35.58 | xeon-enouf | fredl: ctrl-alt-[+\-] |
| 08:36.17 | fredl | tried that, doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 08:36.29 | xeon-enouf | push it a few hundred times |
| 08:36.37 | xeon-enouf | i'm not kidding |
| 08:36.51 | xeon-enouf | that's how X in sid works now |
| 08:37.01 | fredl | yeah but I'm not running Sid |
| 08:37.13 | xeon-enouf | possibly squeeze too |
| 08:37.17 | fredl | I think it only finds one valid mode, weird. |
| 08:37.28 | fredl | Well I'm not running squeeze either :P |
| 08:37.36 | xeon-enouf | ubuntu? |
| 08:37.41 | fredl | no Lenny |
| 08:37.49 | xeon-enouf | microsoft windows? |
| 08:38.00 | fredl | yes Microsoft Windows Lenny. |
| 08:38.11 | xeon-enouf | debian.exe!@ |
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| 08:38.21 | fredl | that's right, dork :P |
| 08:38.39 | fredl | (**) fglrx(0): Default mode "1920x1080": 74.2 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 27.0 kHz, 24.0 Hz |
| 08:38.48 | fredl | 24.0 Hz.... |
| 08:38.48 | xeon-enouf | fredl: it's actually a useful factoid |
| 08:38.58 | fredl | now that's really impressive. |
| 08:39.59 | chellomere | hah, I'd also be impressed if your monitor manages a 24Hz mode |
| 08:40.07 | fredl | I should really consider upgrading to Squeeze I guess. |
| 08:40.15 | xeon-enouf | well, xterm, one right clicks, and deselects Huge :-P |
| 08:40.21 | xeon-enouf | xchat? no idea |
| 08:40.56 | fredl | hmm lemme try something |
| 08:40.58 | jmarsden | xeon-enouf: Settings -> Preferences and lower all the font sizes :) |
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| 08:41.35 | xeon-enouf | shift-[+\-] also increases/decreases Font size and window (atleast for {m}rxvt) |
| 08:41.55 | xeon-enouf | no DE here! :-P |
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| 08:47.19 | nas2 | guys where to change the logrotate or exim envelope-from address |
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| 08:47.36 | nas2 | i'm not sure whether it is exim or logrotate that appends that |
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| 08:48.02 | nas2 | my logrotate sends email and it is not using the server's hostname in the envelope from |
| 08:48.31 | nas2 | i already changed the /etc/mailname |
| 08:48.41 | petemc | exim -bP qualify_domain |
| 08:48.50 | nas2 | i don't have the /etc/email-addresses file |
| 08:49.46 | petemc | its there for every release up to lenny |
| 08:49.57 | petemc | and probably squeeze, tho i dont use it |
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| 08:50.20 | nas2 | so it is exim that i need to change? |
| 08:50.28 | petemc | how did you install exim? |
| 08:50.31 | xeon-enouf | ~$ dlc /etc/email-addresses |
| 08:50.33 | xeon-enouf | exim4-config: /etc/email-addresses |
| 08:50.40 | nas2 | oh ok |
| 08:50.45 | nas2 | yeah got it |
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| 08:51.44 | xeon-enouf | ii exim4-config 4.69-11 |
| 08:53.08 | xeon-enouf | (btw, dlc is an alias for dlocate) |
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| 08:55.20 | Stereo | xeon-enouf: that's useful! |
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| 09:04.01 | amgarching | should I partition a disk if I only need it as a whole or let it unpartitioned? |
| 09:04.15 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: want to boot that disk? |
| 09:04.35 | xeon-enouf | i suggest one large partition in most cases in your context |
| 09:04.51 | amgarching | only for data, actually. Partition table is needed for booting? |
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| 09:05.03 | xeon-enouf | no, but MBR is |
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| 09:05.24 | xeon-enouf | and grub doesn't like an unpartitioned disk, LiLo could care less |
| 09:05.34 | xeon-enouf | grub1 that is |
| 09:05.55 | amgarching | ok, I am convinced |
| 09:06.10 | xeon-enouf | and i mean MBR code, not that the MPT area needs anything but 0s |
| 09:07.24 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: you only save/lose 32K when you use one large partition for entire disk |
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| 09:08.12 | amgarching | I may need to reboot the server once again. I remember Linux is not always getting the changes online |
| 09:08.51 | hanshenrik | (i have no clue how to do this in linux) i need a shell script that just execute "cd /var/www dir" how? xD |
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| 09:08.53 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: LVM is another option .. that can span multiple disks .. but .. |
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| 09:12.05 | amgarching | hanshenrik: you probably want something different. Do you know the dot "." command? |
| 09:12.13 | xeon-enouf | $ if [ -d /var/www ]; then cd /var/www ; fi maybe? |
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| 09:12.55 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: , == source, so you could ask that ;-) |
| 09:13.07 | xeon-enouf | er . not , |
| 09:13.07 | hanshenrik | amgarching: no.. think it means like "current directory" or something, but just need the most basic a/b/c of writing a shell script :p |
| 09:13.19 | xeon-enouf | stupid fonts and kwuboard |
| 09:13.31 | beardy | !abs-guide hanshenrik |
| 09:13.38 | beardy | !absg hanshenrik |
| 09:13.39 | dpkg | hanshenrik: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 09:13.53 | xeon-enouf | hanshenrik: a . can also mean CWD/PWD, yes, but 'help .' |
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| 09:16.30 | xeon-enouf | hanshenrik: then 'help source' ;-) |
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| 09:17.32 | amgarching | so in lenny, do I need to specify those infamous data=ordered or whatever for ext3 mounts? I dont see anything of that kind in fstab. |
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| 09:19.31 | matt7676 | is this possible, that a server, which hosts virtual servers, has only port 22 open. However, the virtual server, which work inside the physical server, has open ports 22 and 80? |
| 09:19.38 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: yeah, you can do that at mkfs time or use tune2fs |
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| 09:19.41 | matt7676 | *works |
| 09:19.47 | xeon-enouf | but also, use relatime or noatime |
| 09:20.14 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: you would read man mount |
| 09:20.24 | macrobat | amgarching: i think data=ordered is default, but search man mount |
| 09:20.33 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: instead of man fstab - and man tune2fs |
| 09:20.47 | xeon-enouf | it's not, IIRC |
| 09:21.16 | macrobat | ok |
| 09:21.40 | amgarching | man mount says orderd is the default. |
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| 09:22.43 | xeon-enouf | that's not a FS metadata attribute |
| 09:24.08 | xeon-enouf | you're thinking mount options, "defaults" we're talking the FS journal_data_ordered mode attribute |
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| 09:24.39 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:24.51 | asdzxc | i have problems with connecting to security.debian.org |
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| 09:25.04 | asdzxc | my system is resolving it to 32.1.10.120 for 2 days |
| 09:25.05 | xeon-enouf | i suck - sorry |
| 09:25.07 | asdzxc | is this ok ? |
| 09:25.23 | asdzxc | my other system is resolving it to another IP |
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| 09:25.55 | jelly | perhaps they're using GeoDNS for it now |
| 09:26.24 | asdzxc | is 32.1.10.120 a real IP of security.debian.org ? |
| 09:26.36 | jelly | asdzxc: try asking in #debian-security, irc.debian.org |
| 09:26.40 | asdzxc | ok, thnx |
| 09:27.15 | jelly | it doesn't look like that from here, but that doesn't mean much these days |
| 09:27.15 | jelly | security.debian.org. 300 IN A 212.211.132.250 |
| 09:27.15 | jelly | security.debian.org. 300 IN A 195.20.242.89 |
| 09:27.15 | jelly | security.debian.org. 300 IN A 212.211.132.32 |
| 09:27.41 | asdzxc | i found also other people who is resolving it to 32.1.10.120 |
| 09:27.45 | asdzxc | http://www.google.sk/search?hl=sk&q=%2232.1.10.120%22&start=0&sa=N |
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| 09:30.08 | amgarching | matt7676: I am not an expert there. But I guess host and guest may even have different IPs |
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| 09:31.53 | xeon-enouf | amgarching: yeah, my bad, i was thinkging of a FS "feature" like 'dir_index' and 'has_journal' etc that can be set/cleared using tune2fs, i haven't used extX FS in a while now, so forgot :-p |
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| 09:33.34 | amgarching | xeon-enouf: nevertheless, "mount -l" only shows "data=ordered" if I explicitly put that into fstab. Despite the defaults. |
| 09:34.31 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 09:34.42 | xeon-enouf | cat /proc/mounts |
| 09:34.56 | mesa_booger | tune2fs -o journal_data_ordered |
| 09:34.58 | xeon-enouf | tune2fs -l /dev/sdaX |
| 09:36.24 | amgarching | xeon-enouf: ok "cat /proc/mounts" shows "data=ordered" even if dont put that into fstab. Consistent with defaults. |
| 09:36.25 | jelly | amgarching: the defaults change with the kernel version and kernel build options, regardless of what mount(8) says |
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| 09:43.26 | xeon-enouf | jelly: all things considered (your kernel statements) If one alters an ext3 FS from say date=ordered to data=writeback, and has "defaults" only under options in /etc/fstab, will it not get mounted as =writeback? |
| 09:43.59 | xeon-enouf | If one alters /(using tune2fs, that is)/ ,,, |
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| 09:45.41 | radoe | xeon-enouf: defaults is only a shortcut for "rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async", it does not add/change FS specific options. |
| 09:46.19 | xeon-enouf | yeah .. and eww with that async eh? |
| 09:46.43 | xeon-enouf | you know how many use just 'defaults' only? hahaha |
| 09:47.06 | thrashold | Hello. I'm having trouble with a lenny server that is experiencing issues that are almost certainly hardware issues. Do you think it would be a bad idea if I tried upgrading the kernel with one from backports (or squeeze with apt pinning)? |
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| 09:47.37 | xeon-enouf | use a backports.org one - but what's the issue/ |
| 09:47.38 | xeon-enouf | ? |
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| 09:48.31 | thrashold | soft lockups, etc. |
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| 09:48.39 | thrashold | And things like this: [5224921.952627] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 0000000000100108 |
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| 09:51.43 | jelly | xeon-enouf: yes. |
| 09:52.26 | thrashold | If I'm already using apt pinning for some packages, should I use backports for the kernel, or get the one for squeeze? :) And can using either one have unintended side effects? |
| 09:52.44 | jelly | xeon-enouf: of if one doesn't touch it, but uses cca. 2.6.30+ built with default .config, where data=writeback is default as well |
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| 09:53.41 | xeon-enouf | ahh... thanks - makes sense |
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| 10:07.49 | phix | hey, I would like to install the latest version of Python on Debian Lenny, what is the usual way of doing this? (as there are no deb packages for it) |
| 10:08.02 | phix | 2.6 branch even |
| 10:08.09 | phix | i am not ready fo 3 yet |
| 10:08.10 | petemc | check to see if a backport exists |
| 10:08.18 | phix | backport? |
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| 10:09.21 | fredl | *sigh* |
| 10:09.33 | fredl | I'm going to unstable. |
| 10:09.40 | petemc | phix: /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:10.32 | fredl | I hope the instability disadvantage outweighs Lenny's obsolete disadvantages. |
| 10:11.07 | fredl | and with squeeze not being a real alternative... |
| 10:11.17 | fredl | Sid be it. |
| 10:12.05 | fredl | the heck with it, got enough experience with hacking together my own kernels by now and resolving more than trivial problems. |
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| 10:15.52 | pif | when I install fuse-utils and sshfs /dev/fuse is root:fuse but when I reboot it's root:root, any idea? |
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| 10:16.12 | fredl | Hrmm good beginning, the linux command line the upgrade finds in /etc/default/grub is... empty! |
| 10:16.15 | pif | on my other boxes it stays root:fuse accroos reboots |
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| 10:17.53 | phix | when is that next release dur out? |
| 10:18.06 | fredl | next release? |
| 10:18.10 | _marix | fredl: as i recall so wass mine without a problem |
| 10:18.24 | fredl | _marix - I accepted it so we'll see. |
| 10:18.38 | phix | fredl: of debian |
| 10:18.48 | fredl | phix - in 2 years or so. |
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| 10:20.00 | immatrrecord | Hi all |
| 10:20.18 | immatrrecord | can i've help for debian installation with qemu ? |
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| 10:20.32 | fredl | what's the problem immatrrecord ? |
| 10:20.34 | phix | fredl: lol, slow Debian is slow :) |
| 10:20.56 | fredl | phix, no the right word is stable. |
| 10:20.59 | phix | sudo apt-get install ubuntu :P |
| 10:21.01 | immatrrecord | i want install lenny on a first server |
| 10:21.16 | immatrrecord | i'm connect on the first server with ssh |
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| 10:21.33 | fredl | immatrrecord, if qemu is your main focus lenny is not recommended, the qemu packages are rather old. |
| 10:21.43 | immatrrecord | really ? |
| 10:21.51 | fredl | really. |
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| 10:22.08 | immatrrecord | but an installation in ssh is possible ? |
| 10:22.29 | fredl | an installation in ssh? |
| 10:22.30 | immatrrecord | my first server isn't a virtual machine |
| 10:22.40 | fredl | ofcourse not. |
| 10:22.52 | JNSamuel | lol! |
| 10:23.24 | immatrrecord | but when i run qemu -hda vm0-lenny.qcow2 -cdrom iso/lenny.iso -boot d -m 256 -nographic |
| 10:23.30 | immatrrecord | my term is congealed |
| 10:23.46 | immatrrecord | haven't Xserver on my first server |
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| 10:24.37 | phix | oh nice, what is the mirror url for backports? |
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| 10:24.46 | fredl | oh that's odd, I've done similarly without a problem recently. Isn't what you're trying to do kvm? |
| 10:25.09 | immatrrecord | my cpu doesn't support kvm |
| 10:25.15 | immatrrecord | it's a P4 |
| 10:25.30 | fredl | oh okay. |
| 10:25.55 | immatrrecord | i'm connect on server with putty |
| 10:26.27 | fredl | holy crud.. googleearth depends on fglrx-driver WTF? |
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| 10:26.48 | immatrrecord | Grrr ! |
| 10:27.00 | fredl | I don't think I can help you immatrrecord. I use kvm instead, not qemu. |
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| 10:27.08 | immatrrecord | ah ok.. |
| 10:27.14 | immatrrecord | And every docs are in English !! |
| 10:27.15 | fredl | well qemu-kvm I guess :P |
| 10:27.27 | immatrrecord | nothing in french :( |
| 10:28.00 | jelly | English is the lingua franca of IT :-D |
| 10:28.16 | immatrrecord | ^^ |
| 10:28.20 | jelly | deal with it |
| 10:28.37 | fredl | or translate it in translate.google.com |
| 10:29.00 | gullstein | I have a old linux instalation on a IDE / and recently created md0 raid0 and md1 raid1 on two sata disks. md0 contain swap and md1 contain /home. Seams I can not use my swap for suspend 2 disk. I think I have found out that I need to add raid0 as a mudule in /etc/initramfs/modules + build libata and some other things into the kernel. Am I at the right track here? |
| 10:29.56 | fredl | gullstein, looks like it but it's a fairly tricky track. |
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| 10:30.49 | fredl | personally I wouldn't put swap on an md device I think. |
| 10:31.08 | fredl | well that is.. there's no need to put it on a separate md device. |
| 10:31.27 | immatrrecord | a phrase in English translate in English to lose all |
| 10:31.41 | immatrrecord | *translate in French... |
| 10:31.49 | jelly | !fr |
| 10:31.50 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:32.40 | immatrrecord | nobody know for my problem with qemu in frenh chanel |
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| 10:32.59 | fredl | immatrrecord, have you tried #qemu? |
| 10:33.11 | immatrrecord | yes .. |
| 10:33.14 | gullstein | fredl: I don't get the kinit mesage when I try to boot after suspend, will this come up autmaticly when all other conditons are met? |
| 10:33.32 | fredl | no idea gullstein. |
| 10:33.35 | fredl | sorry. |
| 10:34.14 | immatrrecord | nobody speak on #qemu |
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| 10:34.50 | fredl | well you have to wait longer there for an answer that's true. |
| 10:34.53 | immatrrecord | i just want know if that possible for run install in ssh conection |
| 10:35.27 | fredl | it should be possible yes. |
| 10:35.47 | immatrrecord | should... ^^ |
| 10:36.37 | fredl | well keep two ssh sessions open and try it in one. |
| 10:37.39 | fredl | ok reboot into Sid, fingerscrossed... |
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| 10:41.37 | phix | Where are the back-ports gpg key? |
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| 10:42.49 | fredl | well that worked somewhat okay... |
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| 10:43.06 | fredl | but damn, this radeon driver is futtbucking SLOW |
| 10:44.20 | fredl | hmm doesn't look so slow in gtkperf... |
| 10:44.23 | radoe | phix: it's fully documented on www.backports.org ... |
| 10:44.47 | fredl | but just dragging a window around looks like this is back to the old VGA days :/ |
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| 10:47.39 | fredl | holy shit, mplayer is so incredibly slow using this radeon driver... |
| 10:47.57 | liable | try the ati one |
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| 10:48.08 | fredl | the fglrx driver you mean? |
| 10:48.25 | liable | no, the open source ati one |
| 10:48.33 | fredl | radeonhd? |
| 10:48.42 | liable | no, ATI |
| 10:48.57 | liable | if you say another one, imma gonna kill you! |
| 10:49.10 | fredl | ok :) |
| 10:49.27 | fredl | which pkg is that in? |
| 10:49.44 | fredl | fuck my mouse stopped working. |
| 10:49.53 | liable | xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 10:50.23 | radoe | liable: the ati xorg driver ist just some sort of wrapper and will load radeon on radeon cards. |
| 10:50.38 | liable | radoe: is it? |
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| 10:50.56 | radoe | liable: yes, for years. |
| 10:50.56 | fredl | that's what I thought :) |
| 10:51.07 | liable | ah, so it is |
| 10:52.02 | fredl | and it's amazingly slow on my HD4350 |
| 10:52.08 | phix | radoe: <3 |
| 10:52.16 | phix | your awesome |
| 10:52.24 | fredl | in fact I haven't seen a graphics driver that slow in many years. |
| 10:52.24 | radoe | phix: ahh, found it? ;) |
| 10:52.26 | phix | s/r/'re/ |
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| 10:53.47 | radoe | fredl: check your xorg logs, maybe something is found there about it. |
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| 10:55.26 | fredl | maybe it's coz the DefaultDepth is at 32 *shrug* |
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| 10:55.39 | radoe | fredl: if you can't get it to work with radeon, give radeonhd a try. |
| 10:55.56 | fredl | well it works... |
| 10:56.11 | fredl | it's just slower than anything I've seen for many years. |
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| 10:57.02 | fredl | lemme switch back to 24 bit color and see if that helps.. |
| 10:57.40 | radoe | fredl: well, try radeonhd than. Also, despite of radeon suggests to use EXA, I found it performs much better with XAA on my mobiltiy X1400 |
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| 10:59.36 | fredl | this is just insane... |
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| 11:01.03 | fredl | I can actually see the redrawing being done when I switch windows. |
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| 11:01.35 | petemc | stop whinging |
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| 11:02.10 | petemc | </harsh> |
| 11:03.25 | phix | hmmmm python 2.6 is not in lenny back ports |
| 11:03.32 | radoe | fredl: again, check your logs. Show them via pastebin, if you can't read them, maybe someone has a minute to look at them. |
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| 11:04.42 | radoe | phix: python2.6 is not in unstable yet, so it can't be in backports. It's only in experimental. |
| 11:04.45 | fredl | will do. |
| 11:05.13 | fredl | radoe - http://pastebin.ca/1589315 |
| 11:05.13 | radoe | fredl: ah, and you left before I said: |
| 11:05.25 | radoe | radoe > fredl: well, try radeonhd than. Also, despite of radeon suggests to use EXA, I found it performs much better with XAA on my mobiltiy X1400 |
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| 11:06.08 | fredl | Hmm. ok. |
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| 11:06.50 | fredl | lunchtime, bbiab |
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| 11:07.20 | phix | radoe: grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 11:08.53 | phix | I would like to send a taiser to Debian developers, with explicit instructions to zap themself until they release the next vers of Debian |
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| 11:09.04 | themill | phix: python2.6 requires a lot of changes to just about every python module before it can be uploaded to unstable. /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 11:09.06 | radoe | fredl: Well, lines 730 and 731 look like causing your problems... |
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| 11:09.46 | phix | themill: really? That doesn't eem to bother Ubuntu |
| 11:09.55 | phix | eem == seem |
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| 11:11.13 | radoe | phix: well, they decided to try it on their own, lets wait what all breaks when the next ubuntu release ships with python2.6 by default... |
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| 11:13.21 | themill | phix: they did a little horrible hacking on the modules to try to get them to work with 2.6. I've looked at some of those patches and they are truly horrid and just make more work for the next release after that. They didn't do it properly, they did it quickly. |
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| 11:15.32 | phix | radoe, themill: :D |
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| 11:18.28 | mXr | could it be that cdebootstrap-ping a testing release is currently impossible? :) |
| 11:18.32 | mXr | due to util-linux breakage |
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| 11:25.00 | jelly | themill: then again, Debian always erred on the side of perfect instead of just good enough, that's one of the reasons Ubuntu has more users |
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| 11:26.04 | themill | probably... but it's also why I use debian and not ubuntu. |
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| 11:40.14 | mXr | can i somehow get cdebootstrap to install and configure "install-info" before it installs util-linux? |
| 11:40.52 | mXr | i managed to get it to fetch the package, but util-linux still complains |
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| 11:43.16 | AnirbanHazra | most of my scripts are failing after showing something like "apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 23" |
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| 11:45.13 | fredl | uhm |
| 11:45.30 | fredl | anybody on Sid who actually has /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 11:45.48 | tarzeau | fredl: yes i do, i386 |
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| 11:46.32 | abrotman | fredl: were you messing with fglrx or nvidia binary stuff ? |
| 11:46.41 | fredl | coz mine is missing |
| 11:46.57 | abrotman | !find usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so sid |
| 11:47.01 | fredl | abrotman, yes earlier but I upgraded to Sid so I could use the radeon driver. |
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| 11:47.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' (3 of 6): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so.185.18.36) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so) in debug/xserver-xorg-core-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so.96.43.13) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx. |
| 11:47.39 | fredl | now I find that libglx.so is missing. |
| 11:48.21 | abrotman | well .. use apt-file and find it .. it's probably in xserver-xorg-core ? |
| 11:48.25 | fredl | xserver-xorg-core: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 11:48.42 | fredl | yes it should be but it isn't in mine. I tried to apt-get install --reinstall it... |
| 11:49.02 | fredl | even tried removing it with --force-depends and then reinstall it |
| 11:49.18 | fredl | it's just not in the pkg it seems |
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| 11:49.58 | ||arifaX | fredl: maybe you need the dev package? server-xorg-dev ? |
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| 11:50.31 | abrotman | fredl: you should be using aptitude .. you can also use apt-file to check which package owns it |
| 11:50.48 | fredl | no according to dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so it's in xserver-xorg-core |
| 11:50.53 | abrotman | on a lenny box: xserver-xorg-core: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 11:51.06 | abrotman | fredl: aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-core .. |
| 11:51.12 | abrotman | oh wait .. you probably had a dpkg-divert in there |
| 11:51.19 | AnirbanHazra | most of my scripts are failing after showing something like "apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 23" |
| 11:51.58 | fredl | abrotman - did that too, ls: cannot access /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: No such file or directory |
| 11:52.12 | fredl | abrotman, like I just said, I upgrade to Sid |
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| 11:52.59 | abrotman | fredl: dpkg-divert -l "*glx*" ? |
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| 11:53.04 | abrotman | erm .. not -l .. --list |
| 11:53.37 | fredl | diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libglx.so by fglrx-driver |
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| 11:53.56 | fredl | what does that mean? |
| 11:54.25 | fredl | I don't have fglrx-driver installed anymore. |
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| 11:55.35 | radoe | fredl: by chance, are you using radeon on squeeze or sid? |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | he's trying to use radeon |
| 11:55.50 | fredl | radoe - yes, radeon on Sid |
| 11:55.57 | abrotman | fredl: so remove the diversion for that file |
| 11:55.58 | fredl | 64 bit. |
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| 11:57.12 | fredl | ok it's gone now... |
| 11:57.28 | fredl | that's just a bunch of symlinks I'm removing like that ? |
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| 11:57.38 | radoe | fredl: regarding your performance problems, do you have package firmware-linux installed? Some non-free firmware images are no longer contained in kernel packages. This includes radeon cards... |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | not quite .. but the details are probalby more than you're interested in :) |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | fredl: if you really care 'man dpkg-divert' describes the intent |
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| 11:58.44 | fredl | I think I tried reading that in the past. |
| 11:59.27 | fredl | radoe - nope don't have that installed. should I? |
| 11:59.31 | abrotman | the second paragraph tells you what you're looking for |
| 11:59.31 | jlsksr | hi all, maybe someone could look through my wvdial/network config - i just cant get online with my huawei umts stick and vodafone |
| 11:59.33 | jlsksr | http://printedlife.org/tmp/umts.txt |
| 11:59.41 | abrotman | fredl: now reinstalling the xserver-xorg-core should get you that file |
| 11:59.48 | jlsksr | dont mind the german intro, i think the logs will be all you need |
| 11:59.55 | fredl | radoe - I already know what's causing the performance problems, it's because libglx.so could not beloaded |
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| 12:00.28 | fredl | hmm, remarkable. tnx abrotman! |
| 12:00.40 | fredl | lemme restart and see if it takes it now |
| 12:00.43 | fredl | bbl |
| 12:00.49 | abrotman | fredl: is the fgjaflkdsja;lskjdfa;kljseflj;k!!!! |
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| 12:01.01 | radoe | fredl: hm, libglx should not be responsible for your problems with moving windows and such... |
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| 12:01.20 | radoe | Oh, he is gone already. Should have typed faster... |
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| 12:01.45 | fredl | that's a lot better! |
| 12:01.54 | abrotman | fredl: dpkg -l "fgrlx*" .. are any of the packages still 'rc' ? |
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| 12:02.22 | fredl | nope, there's no packages found matching fglrx* |
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| 12:02.45 | fredl | I had removed them all but I may have had an issue with some stuff I installed manually |
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| 12:03.24 | fredl | I probably even still have the fglrx driver in my initrd but oh well. |
| 12:03.45 | ale_ | ciao |
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| 12:19.58 | alecs1 | hi, Debian provides an experimental version of xorg, but that is not compatible with any of the radeon drivers provided |
| 12:20.48 | abrotman | wouldn't that be why it's called 'experimental' ? |
| 12:21.07 | liable | left before the onslaught |
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| 12:21.28 | alecs1 | should I report a bug, or that is already obvious and they won't push it like this to unstable? |
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| 12:22.08 | liable | alecs1: no, you should not use experimental. its not meant to used by everyday users |
| 12:22.13 | valdyn | alecs1: thats not a bug |
| 12:22.45 | valdyn | alecs1: its a change in abi, which is expressed by raising the version number of the abi |
| 12:22.45 | hark | alecs1: there's no bug |
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| 12:23.39 | alecs1 | yes, I know experimental is not everyday use, but it did happen before that xorg to enter unstable with this kind of breakage |
| 12:23.57 | valdyn | alecs1: that wouldnt be a bug either |
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| 12:24.29 | valdyn | ale_: new xorg versions dont need to work with old drivers |
| 12:24.33 | valdyn | oo |
| 12:24.40 | hark | looks like a bug in his/her connection :) |
| 12:24.40 | valdyn | alecs1: ^^ |
| 12:24.45 | valdyn | ah |
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| 12:24.58 | alecs1 | I could even find a bug number; but thanks for the clarification :) |
| 12:25.14 | hark | alecs1: which one? |
| 12:25.40 | alecs1 | I could = I would be able to give an example |
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| 12:26.07 | oxi | hi |
| 12:26.07 | oxi | does anyone know where to download emdebian? |
| 12:26.12 | valdyn | alecs1: you can report a bug asking the new xorg to conflict with old drivers |
| 12:26.14 | alecs1 | let me see |
| 12:26.26 | valdyn | alecs1: that wont really change the breakage though, but it will make it more obvious |
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| 12:27.10 | Fare | I upgraded my debian, and now my keyboard is all messed up |
| 12:27.23 | g0rd0n | haha |
| 12:27.28 | g0rd0n | welcome to open source dudee |
| 12:27.36 | Fare | PgUp returns /, arrows don't work, Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't work, Ctrl-Alt-BkSp doesn't work, etc. |
| 12:27.59 | alecs1 | well, I found the example: 523467; a very obvious bug, but it did enter unstable |
| 12:28.03 | SPF | speaking of keyboards, US standard keyboards are hard to get nowadays |
| 12:28.08 | valdyn | alecs1: however debian developers dont need to support experimental or keep bugs against experimental |
| 12:28.18 | valdyn | alecs1: but some do |
| 12:28.26 | Fare | SPF: are they? |
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| 12:29.32 | alecs1 | anyway, I got the point, you already know about ABI breakage, so I guess this one is ok |
| 12:29.34 | alecs1 | thanks |
| 12:29.40 | oxi | I does anyone understand what the "armel architecture" is? |
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| 12:30.12 | Fare | ARM little endian |
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| 12:32.51 | oxi | Fare: thanks .... what does little endian stand for in this context? |
| 12:32.53 | jelly | oxi: it's like arm but with a more advanced ABI. |
| 12:33.03 | oxi | jelly: I see, ... thanks! |
| 12:33.14 | hark | alecs1: that's a very old bug which is not relevant now |
| 12:33.18 | oxi | so, there's no emdebian for i386? |
| 12:33.26 | adb | oxi, tried #emdebian on irc.debian.net ? |
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| 12:34.02 | oxi | adb: wow, I didn't know about that, ... I only tried #emdebian on irc.freenode.net :-) |
| 12:34.06 | oxi | adb: thanks |
| 12:34.12 | adb | yw |
| 12:34.15 | hark | !emdebian |
| 12:34.15 | dpkg | methinks emdebian is a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:34.21 | alecs1 | hark: I know; I just said that if bugs are reported against against experimental, unstable won't be broken |
| 12:34.35 | alecs1 | I do happen to use Unstable for a while know as regular desktop |
| 12:34.44 | Fare | oxi: opposite of big endian |
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| 12:35.24 | oxi | Fare: yeah! |
| 12:35.36 | Fare | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/ien/ien137.txt |
| 12:35.36 | oxi | adb: I can't connect on irc.debian.net |
| 12:35.45 | oxi | Fare: thanks |
| 12:35.50 | hark | alecs1: what's the problem you are facing? radeon should be working fine with Xorg |
| 12:35.53 | Fare | or wikipedia endianness |
| 12:36.01 | oxi | alright |
| 12:36.11 | adb | irc.debian.org , sorry |
| 12:36.18 | oxi | right |
| 12:36.29 | Fare | a hardware designer may configure his ARM processor in either endianness. little endian is more common |
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| 12:36.48 | Fare | Yay for little endian! I've learned to program this way on a 6502. |
| 12:36.58 | Fare | that's one thing Intel got right. |
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| 12:37.10 | alecs1 | hark: ?? I don't have any problem; I just asked about reporting a bug on this |
| 12:37.10 | et | can i force aptitude to replace configuration files? |
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| 12:37.38 | Fare | so does any know how to fix crazy keyboard issues with xorg? |
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| 12:38.09 | jelly | which Debian release, Fare? |
| 12:38.23 | vlt | Hello. How can I persuade my initrd to first start all md devices, then all LUKS cryptdevices found, then start LVM? |
| 12:38.25 | Fare | testing |
| 12:38.31 | hark | Fare: does using setxkbmap work? |
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| 12:38.59 | Fare | no it doesn't but I'll try again after restarting X server (which implies killing xchat) |
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| 12:39.15 | jelly | Fare: edit /etc/default/console-setup XKB* variables, restart hal, restart X |
| 12:39.16 | Fare | (I tried to disable xkb in this session, to see if that'd fix it...) |
| 12:39.25 | Fare | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:40.23 | adb | Fare, install irssi as console chat |
| 12:40.31 | vlt | mdadm, cryptsetup and lvm2 are installed. I tried `mkinitramfs` but it doesn't work after reboot. cryptsetup or mdadm aren't available in the drop shell ... |
| 12:41.10 | hark | alecs1: because i am confused, there's no experimental version of xorg provided by debian afaik |
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| 12:42.12 | jelly | hark: there often is, just not at this moment |
| 12:42.17 | fredl | hmm the upgrade to Sid broke my libvirtd build it seems. Either that or today's updates did. |
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| 12:42.37 | jelly | hark: various bits and pieces of xorg often end up in experimental first |
| 12:43.09 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.21 | hark | jelly: ^ i am referring to this |
| 12:43.47 | Fare | console chat with a half-functional keyboard sucks |
| 12:44.25 | hark | it may be that there is currently some of it in experimental, but i am not aware of it. that's what i was asking |
| 12:44.47 | alecs1 | hark, look here: http://pastebin.com/me9907c6 |
| 12:45.02 | alecs1 | 7.5~1 |
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| 12:45.56 | jelly | judd: versions xorg |
| 12:45.58 | judd | jelly: xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.4+4 squeeze: 1:7.4+4 |
| 12:46.01 | Yucatan | how i can define a range of ipadresses in iptables? |
| 12:46.27 | petemc | cidr |
| 12:46.29 | jelly | alecs1: pastebin your "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy xorg", please |
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| 12:47.38 | Yucatan | i have this rule #iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT but i have have that rules for this ipadresses from 10.0.0.40 to 10.0.0.254 |
| 12:47.47 | jelly | Yucatan: with a recent enough iptables, there's also an iprange module. |
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| 12:48.19 | edo1493 | how can i change the kernel with a new patch? |
| 12:48.23 | jelly | Yucatan: rtfm to find out if it's available with your Debian release. If not, use multiple rules. |
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| 12:49.16 | hark | alecs1: jelly: it's not built for i386. so i couldn't find it |
| 12:49.19 | jelly | Yucatan: fwiw, iptables package is relatively easy to backport if you know your kernel has support. |
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| 12:49.58 | jelly | hark: sucks to be on a second-grade architecture! |
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| 12:51.40 | jelly | alecs1: that's a metapackage anyway, its version doesn't matter much since it doesn't version depend on its constituent parts. |
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| 12:55.32 | Iradieh__ | How do you make a folder and all it's file yours with chmod? I recal lsomething with sudo chmod "username" filepath/ |
| 12:55.49 | jelly | chown, Iradieh__ |
| 12:55.54 | Iradieh__ | thanks mate |
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| 12:56.48 | jelly | and a -R option. Note that a chown will remove any setuid or setgid bits off the files |
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| 12:57.48 | vlt | Ok, now cryptsetup, mdadm and lvm are available in initrd's dropshell (after editing grub), but only the md devices are started, no cryptsetup. How can I make initrd load my cryptdevice(s)? |
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| 12:59.50 | Yucatan | i have 1 netwerk with 2 range's on it |
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| 13:00.03 | Yucatan | one in 192.168.1.* and one in 10.0.0.* |
| 13:00.16 | Yucatan | is it posseble to make a debian machine setup as gateway |
| 13:00.23 | Yucatan | that he can assosiate with both ranges? |
| 13:01.16 | Yucatan | ? |
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| 13:02.11 | petemc | Yucatan: of course, do you have 2 or more network cards? |
| 13:02.32 | Yucatan | no but i can do that |
| 13:02.36 | Yucatan | but thats the piont |
| 13:02.41 | Yucatan | i wanne make it with one netwerk card |
| 13:02.42 | petemc | whats the point? |
| 13:02.45 | Yucatan | i have one netwerk |
| 13:02.50 | petemc | oh, you're making life harder for yourself |
| 13:02.57 | Yucatan | hahahahahaha |
| 13:03.08 | Yucatan | no its more work to build to network cards in it |
| 13:03.13 | Yucatan | lissen |
| 13:03.14 | petemc | if you say so |
| 13:03.15 | Yucatan | one netwerk |
| 13:03.19 | Yucatan | so i switch |
| 13:03.24 | Yucatan | we all are on that switch |
| 13:03.28 | Yucatan | with 100 peopele |
| 13:03.43 | Yucatan | me and my friend are with 8 |
| 13:03.51 | Yucatan | we are in range 192.168.1.* |
| 13:03.55 | Yucatan | the rest |
| 13:04.01 | Yucatan | is in 10.0.0.* |
| 13:04.15 | petemc | stop hitting enter so much |
| 13:04.15 | Yucatan | is it posseble to configure debian that he is a gateway |
| 13:04.25 | Yucatan | for both ranges. |
| 13:04.27 | Yucatan | okee sorry |
| 13:04.28 | ranix | !enter |
| 13:04.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:04.42 | Dumb0 | lol |
| 13:04.50 | Yucatan | okee |
| 13:05.01 | Dumb0 | you have filled the screen you only :P |
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| 13:05.29 | Yucatan | hahahahaha is that so maby u need to think abouth buying a new screen because your resolution is very los |
| 13:05.33 | Yucatan | 640x480? |
| 13:05.58 | petemc | just start using proper sentences and dont worry about other peoples screens |
| 13:06.32 | Dumb0 | Yucatan, lol, not yet |
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| 13:07.19 | ranix | yes, it is possible to have one machine with one network card act as a router. This is generally undesirable, due to this machine needing to both send and receive all traffic routed through it on the same physical link. It would be like if your car used the same valves for intake and exhaust - which some early cars did - and flow had to reverse on every piston fire. It is like the difference between the respiratory system of a bird and that of |
| 13:07.47 | ranix | Yucatan: use two network cards |
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| 13:08.26 | Emery | if i wanted to update my kernel would i use the patch or full src ? |
| 13:08.44 | petemc | Emery: use a prebuilt kernel image, much handier |
| 13:08.57 | jelly | Emery: what would be the reason to update the kernel? |
| 13:09.01 | Emery | how would i go about that sir. |
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| 13:09.09 | Emery | i just want it upto date |
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| 13:09.24 | jelly | Emery: why? |
| 13:09.37 | jelly | Emery: does any piece of hardware not work? |
| 13:09.38 | Emery | because i want to. |
| 13:09.41 | fredl | because! |
| 13:09.42 | jelly | Emery: security issues? |
| 13:09.44 | Emery | i just want to update it . |
| 13:09.46 | fredl | sjeez jelly :P |
| 13:09.54 | petemc | Emery: you can get up to date kernel images from backports.org |
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| 13:10.03 | jelly | ... sometimes. |
| 13:10.06 | Emery | thank you petemc that's all i wanted :) |
| 13:10.09 | petemc | Emery: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:10.14 | ranix | !iyhtays |
| 13:10.14 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 13:10.23 | g00se | If there's a cifs mount, i don't suppose it's possible to force use of DOS 8.3 naming conventions for commands like find? |
| 13:10.23 | jelly | petemc: bpo doesn't have 2.6.31.1!!!1 |
| 13:10.34 | ranix | Emery: you should use the stable kernel |
| 13:10.35 | petemc | that sucketh mightilyu |
| 13:10.38 | petemc | s/yu/y/ |
| 13:10.46 | jelly | concurs |
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| 13:11.12 | ranix | compiling a kernel is not terribly difficult |
| 13:11.24 | petemc | not terribly necessary either |
| 13:11.32 | jelly | g00se: $DEITY no, the backend might have no concept of 8.3 names at all |
| 13:11.40 | petemc | some might say its somewhat of an anachronism |
| 13:11.46 | Slayerduck | Ranix Core V0.1 ? |
| 13:11.47 | ranix | if there was some reason to update it |
| 13:11.53 | ranix | which in this case there isn't |
| 13:11.53 | Emery | so what is a kernel patch for ? |
| 13:11.57 | ranix | what, Slayerduck ? |
| 13:11.59 | Emery | can i use that to update ? |
| 13:12.04 | Slayerduck | nothing |
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| 13:12.32 | Yucatan | okee thanks for the advice guys! |
| 13:12.52 | jelly | Emery: a patch is a description on how to get from one source tree to another. It works on sources. |
| 13:13.17 | g00se | petemc: Yes, but it gets rid of the nasty spaces and MS will probably have to support it for aye ;-) |
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| 13:14.44 | Emery | jelly if i where to download the kernel from kernel.org ... would it work with PPC ? |
| 13:15.03 | petemc | g00se: ah, i was referring to compiling kernels, but yes, dos 8.3 is also an anachronism! |
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| 13:15.31 | jelly | Emery: please ask generic linux kernel questions in ##Linux or ##kernel |
| 13:15.50 | g00se | petemc: haha |
| 13:15.56 | Emery | it's not generic i'm doing it on debian |
| 13:16.39 | jelly | g00se: there's nothing wrong with spaces in filenames. |
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| 13:17.09 | megatog615 | anyone know why linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 doesn't ship with cpufreq_ondemand? |
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| 13:17.57 | jelly | megatog615: huh? grep -i ondemand /boot/config-2.6.30-2-amd64 ? |
| 13:18.45 | megatog615 | relevant options are Y |
| 13:19.00 | megatog615 | the packages do not have the module .ko files |
| 13:19.17 | megatog615 | for cpufreq_ondemand |
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| 13:19.26 | sam_affable | hey there |
| 13:20.02 | sam_affable | anyone installed python 2.6 on lenny ? is there a deb ? |
| 13:20.04 | megatog615 | in the .deb, look in /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/cpufreq |
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| 13:20.27 | megatog615 | conservative, powersave, stats, userspace |
| 13:20.29 | megatog615 | but no ondemand |
| 13:20.40 | Titan8990 | sam_affable, python, perl, and gcc upgrades are not recommended |
| 13:21.10 | Trewas | megatog615: if those options really are Y (not M) then they are compiled directly into kernel and there should be no modules |
| 13:21.27 | megatog615 | Trewas: thats what i though |
| 13:21.28 | g00se | jelly: I'll try the -print0 stuff |
| 13:21.29 | megatog615 | t |
| 13:21.44 | megatog615 | so basically the default behavior is ondemand |
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| 13:21.48 | myeggo | hello |
| 13:22.04 | megatog615 | however, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 13:22.06 | jelly | megatog615: =Y means that functionality is built in the kernel |
| 13:22.10 | megatog615 | wont return anything |
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| 13:22.17 | sam_affable | Titan8990: is there a way to install python 2.6 without affecting 2.5.2 ...maybe make altinstall ?? will that work ? |
| 13:22.18 | megatog615 | its stuck on the console |
| 13:22.24 | megatog615 | and ^C wont kill it |
| 13:22.35 | vlt | Ok, I'm getting closer: I added "cryptopts=source=/dev/md1,target=md1_crypt,keys=none" to the kernel cmd line and now cryptsetup is run in initrd. Now only the last step (lvm) is missing. Any hint? |
| 13:22.44 | jelly | g00se: /msg dpkg using find |
| 13:23.55 | Titan8990 | sam_affable, yes, multiple python versions are possible to have |
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| 13:24.16 | Titan8990 | sam_affable, but you need to be careful not to replace your default python interpreter with 2.6 |
| 13:24.25 | Titan8990 | sam_affable, are you doing 2.6 required development? |
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| 13:25.50 | sam_affable | Titan8990: yeah im trying to pygowave server which requires python 2.6 http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/ |
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| 13:28.52 | Emery | i used the expert option to install debian ... now when i boot it tells me my password is wrong |
| 13:28.54 | Emery | any ideas ? |
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| 13:29.27 | beardy | !anyideas |
| 13:29.44 | beardy | Yes, you set a password that you don't remember or type correctly. |
| 13:30.08 | Emery | no |
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| 13:30.08 | Emery | i set it right |
| 13:30.09 | beardy | Well then you are logged in now. |
| 13:30.15 | Emery | i've only just finished the installation |
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| 13:30.22 | Emery | i try to login |
| 13:30.23 | Emery | and it fails |
| 13:30.26 | Emery | same with root |
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| 13:30.40 | adb | capslock ? |
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| 13:30.44 | Emery | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.50 | petemc | Emery: did you use none alpha numeric characters in the passwords? |
| 13:30.55 | petemc | non |
| 13:30.58 | Emery | no |
| 13:31.05 | Emery | i assure you the password is right. |
| 13:31.34 | petemc | so you passwords on contain A-Z or 0-0 ? |
| 13:31.34 | petemc | only |
| 13:31.34 | vlt | What do I need to activate LVM devices in initrd? |
| 13:31.35 | petemc | fuck, 0-9 |
| 13:31.38 | beardy | It isn't if you can't use it, let's just get that basic fact understood. |
| 13:31.43 | megatog615 | hmm it appears to have fixed itself, thanks jelly and Trewas |
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| 13:31.57 | Emery | beardy, well your mistaken quite obviously |
| 13:32.04 | Emery | it works fine on normal install |
| 13:32.04 | petemc | vlt: debian kernel initrds should support that already, so you can look inside them to see what you need |
| 13:32.07 | beardy | Emery: Then good luck to you. |
| 13:32.12 | Emery | with expert install when i boot the password never works |
| 13:32.19 | Emery | quite odd. |
| 13:32.24 | stew | vlt: because if / is in lvm then you can run "vgchange -a y" from / in order to activate / |
| 13:32.41 | beardy | Don't use expert install if you can't even fix a fucked password. |
| 13:32.56 | Emery | it isnt fucked with a normal install |
| 13:33.00 | stew | Emery: if you don't know the root password, /msg dpkg ifrpw |
| 13:33.09 | Emery | i do know the root password |
| 13:33.10 | Emery | i know both |
| 13:33.13 | stew | Emery: then what's the problem? |
| 13:33.14 | Emery | it just wont let me login |
| 13:33.25 | Emery | i assure you they are both right, it asks for the password twice on install |
| 13:33.42 | stew | Emery: at the "login:" prompt type "root" and at the 'password:' prompt type the root password |
| 13:33.56 | Emery | yes i've done that |
| 13:34.01 | Emery | and if you read what i said then, it doesnt work |
| 13:34.12 | stew | Emery: then you don't know the right root password |
| 13:34.18 | Emery | yes i do. |
| 13:34.21 | stew | Emery: so /msg dpkg ifrpw |
| 13:34.23 | Emery | i typed it in twice on install |
| 13:34.27 | Emery | so yes.. i do know it |
| 13:34.32 | Titan8990 | Emery, boot live cd -> chroot -> passwd root -> assign new password |
| 13:34.48 | Emery | thank you Titan8990 that's what i was looking for |
| 13:34.57 | fredl | why do you say it doesn't work? What does it tell you? |
| 13:35.02 | beardy | Well how about reading what you are told. |
| 13:35.09 | Titan8990 | Emery, or reconfigure your keymaps/locales to ensure the keys you are pressing is what is actually being inputted |
| 13:35.10 | beardy | stew told you twice. |
| 13:35.16 | Emery | well how about you take your head out your arse beardy moron. |
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| 13:35.30 | stew | Emery: take a 10 minute break |
| 13:35.33 | vlt | petemc: I had to build the kernel myself, but used Debian's `mkinitramfs` to create the initrd. Is this a "debian kernel initrd" now ;-) ? |
| 13:35.37 | stew | that kind of thing is unneccessary |
| 13:35.40 | fredl | sjeez. |
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| 13:36.44 | vlt | petemc: When dropping to the initramsfs shell after kernel doesn't find its root fs I can activate the lvm manually. This part works. How can I automate this? |
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| 13:38.58 | vlt | stew: Yes, "/" is in LVM. Do I have to put the `lvm vgvhange -a y <vg>` command to a script in initramfs-tools/scripts? |
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| 13:41.30 | abrotman | guesses that didn't go so well ... |
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| 13:42.20 | beardy | Mmhm mhm mhhmo mh. |
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| 13:49.25 | EvilGenius | is there any way to list a users commands (history) other then up/down keys? |
| 13:49.39 | Ada73 | rings |
| 13:49.46 | EvilGenius | I'm root and need to see what the other person did... |
| 13:49.47 | liable | EvilGenius: read its bash_history |
| 13:49.52 | Ada73 | kill and yank or so |
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| 13:50.29 | beardy | EvilGenius: If the other person isn't a genius either, read the shell history like liable said. |
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| 13:52.07 | xarragon | Hello guys, I just rm:ed a media file from my disc. I've got the inode numbers. What is the best way to take the filesystem offline to prevent further data loss? |
| 13:52.42 | xarragon | It's an ext3 system. |
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| 13:53.07 | jelly | xarragon: poweroff? |
| 13:53.22 | jelly | unplug the thing |
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| 13:53.44 | jelly | second best, umount |
| 13:53.50 | xarragon | jelly: Yeah, that was my first idea... Because you wouldn't want to force any writes to the disc, right? |
| 13:54.03 | jelly | xarragon: it's already too late |
| 13:54.15 | jelly | 120 seconds have passed |
| 13:54.15 | beardy | !doom |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | Doom is an old first person shooting game that spawned the likes of Quake and so on. The classic Castle Wolfenstein series spawned Doom. There are several cool ports of Doom, including zDoom (but it has major licensing problems, includes non-free code from Hexen) and DoomForge (doomGL.sf.net). Doom Legacy is also cool (doomlegacy.sf.net). Doom III is out! yipee! Also PrBoom (http://prboom.sf.net/). |
| 13:54.41 | beardy | YOU'RE DOOMED was more the effect I was after. |
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| 13:54.47 | xarragon | jelly: It flushes writes every 120 seconds automatically? |
| 13:54.58 | jelly | xarragon: no, the deafult is 5 seconds |
| 13:54.59 | smacnay | other than empathy, is there a aud/vid jabber talk client for linux? |
| 13:55.06 | smacnay | in the Deb repos |
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| 13:55.38 | jelly | xarragon: so, you have to be pretty quick :-) |
| 13:55.44 | xarragon | jelly: Heh, better train myself to have the unplugging as a reflex action then.. |
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| 13:56.05 | jelly | xarragon: or make backups of important data |
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| 13:56.39 | xarragon | Luckily the disc was fresh, all other files are stored in a straight sequence when I looked at the inode numbers. |
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| 13:57.07 | xarragon | jelly: Yeah, this really wasn't important, but I figured it would be good for training. |
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| 13:58.02 | jelly | oh, have fun undeleting then :-) |
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| 13:59.10 | keith4 | is there any way to find out when a package might transition from sid -> squeeze? |
| 13:59.14 | xarragon | jelly: Just a video clip I was editing together, and I have plenty others. I actually planned to just ignore it, but as I said, better learn now than when I've rm:ed that important source code folder. |
| 13:59.44 | xarragon | jelly: Thanks, I hope I learn something from it. |
| 13:59.51 | z0rc[w0rk] | could someone check about egroupware package. I don't get why it missing |
| 13:59.53 | z0rc[w0rk] | http://pastebin.com/m5a2a9173 |
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| 14:00.06 | jelly | keith4: /msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing |
| 14:00.09 | xarragon | jelly: Other than "backup, backup, backup", which I need stapled onto my fscking forehead. |
| 14:00.16 | keith4 | jelly: thanks |
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| 14:01.18 | keith4 | ah, that'd do it. "is only 4 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." Guess I'll just ssb it, to test, for now |
| 14:01.38 | Ada73 | hooray hooray |
| 14:01.41 | keith4 | z0rc: doesn't look like it's missing to me: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=egroupware |
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| 14:02.19 | Ada73 | the crazy world of shizoids |
| 14:02.23 | Ada73 | eyelineskaters |
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| 14:02.30 | Ada73 | remoteseductions |
| 14:02.44 | z0rc[w0rk] | yes, I aslo checked this. but i don't want to download all dependecies by myself |
| 14:02.48 | Ada73 | maltification |
| 14:03.02 | keith4 | z0rc: /msg dpkg why is egroupware not in testing |
| 14:03.13 | Ada73 | all these words are dopo(-rat)~ion |
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| 14:03.39 | xarragon | jelly: Well, thanks for the help. Sorry for the offtopic discussion. |
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| 14:03.51 | z0rc[w0rk] | aha, keith, thanks |
| 14:03.58 | Ada73 | meshedbrain on a oilstick |
| 14:04.07 | keith4 | can someone shut this guy up? |
| 14:04.09 | Ada73 | most people would eatthemselves |
| 14:04.20 | jelly | !ops Ada73 |
| 14:04.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: Ada73 |
| 14:04.22 | Ada73 | sorry i will go to the childcare |
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| 14:04.47 | beardy | Good plan. |
| 14:04.47 | stew | Ada73: please just keep it on-topic |
| 14:05.06 | keith4 | that almost seemed like a bot, no? |
| 14:05.36 | beardy | Oh boy gosh darn are you sure really really wow? |
| 14:06.27 | jelly | --- [Ada73] is signed on as account Vutral |
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| 14:08.22 | xarragon | jelly: Btw, where did the magic number "120" came from that you mentioned earlier? |
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| 14:09.08 | xxtjaxx | Gnokii is blocking updates -.- |
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| 14:13.03 | jelly | xarragon: at that point two minutes passed since you came in |
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| 14:17.10 | epifanio | hi, on sid using the java environment from the sun, how can i set the $VAR : $JAVA_HOME e $JDK_HOME |
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| 14:17.50 | xarragon | jelly: ah, okay... I suspected it but since it was exactly 120 seconds (and I didn't think you'd be sleazy enough to round it off) I figured it was some filesystem-specific constant. But oh well. :-) |
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| 14:19.50 | SPF | how do I switch to the 10th screen in screen? |
| 14:20.16 | jelly | um... ctrl-a :screen 10 <enter> |
| 14:20.38 | jelly | oh wait, 10th screen is actually screen 9 |
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| 14:20.47 | jelly | so ctrl-a 9 |
| 14:21.11 | SPF | well, my window overview says I have 0 1 .. 9 and 10 |
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| 14:21.55 | SPF | I want to switch to screen with ID 10 |
| 14:22.04 | jelly | SPF: then that's the 11th screen! |
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| 14:22.34 | SPF | fine, the 11th screen, how do I go there? |
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| 14:23.21 | Rajko | hello i want to set ulimit stack space |
| 14:23.27 | Rajko | BEFORE any init.d services start |
| 14:23.48 | Rajko | so where do i stick my ulimit -s 1024 |
| 14:24.19 | droidcore | SPF: I just go ctrl-a " and that brings up a menu and you can select it |
| 14:25.32 | SPF | thx droidcore |
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| 14:27.42 | epifanio | my java version is http://paste.debian.net/47980/ do you know how can i know the path to : JAVA_HOME e JDK_HOME ? |
| 14:29.00 | epifanio | apologize epi for the uppercase use |
| 14:29.09 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to write a volume label to a vfat partition on a USB stick? tune2fs only does it for ext fs's |
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| 14:30.25 | FilipeMaia | jpinx-eeepc, i think you can do that when you create the partition |
| 14:30.31 | FilipeMaia | jpinx-eeepc, for example using parted |
| 14:30.52 | mesa_booger | mtools |
| 14:31.04 | Rajko | how do i set global ulimit ? |
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| 14:33.20 | vvz | jpinx-eeepc: man mkdosfs, you can do it when you create the filesystem |
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| 14:36.25 | benedikt | Is there any downsides for using the same server as DNS and HTTP server? I cant figure out any logical reason other then it seems "wrong" |
| 14:36.50 | keith4 | no |
| 14:36.59 | jelly | Rajko: man limits.conf |
| 14:37.12 | benedikt | keith4: is it commonly used? |
| 14:37.35 | keith4 | no idea |
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| 14:40.58 | valdyn | benedikt: why does it seem wrong? |
| 14:40.58 | jpinx-eeepc | vvz: cool thanks |
| 14:40.58 | jelly | Rajko: only works if the service is pam enabled and has pam_limit in its pam config |
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| 14:41.08 | jpinx-eeepc | FilipeMaia: thanks |
| 14:41.26 | benedikt | valdyn: guess i just have a fixed idea that dns servers should be dedicated to that purpose |
| 14:41.43 | valdyn | benedikt: thats one weird idea |
| 14:41.54 | benedikt | valdyn: guess so.. |
| 14:43.11 | valdyn | benedikt: its up to you to analyze the risk and cost of dns killing the http service or http killing the dns service vs the cost saved by using just one server |
| 14:43.34 | benedikt | its actually just for personal stuff.. everything i do for work is hosted at dedicated dns servers in two separete locations |
| 14:44.07 | valdyn | benedikt: so obviously the money saved easily outweighs the additional risk |
| 14:44.25 | benedikt | yep |
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| 14:44.52 | benedikt | valdyn: but i still need two.. guess ill use the dns servers at work |
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| 14:50.58 | Rajko | it works if i do ulimit -s 1025 |
| 14:51.00 | Rajko | 1024 |
| 14:51.03 | Rajko | and then restart service |
| 14:51.17 | Rajko | but where do i stick it so ulimit -s 1024 gets run before any services |
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| 14:52.09 | Rajko | maybe something in /etc/sysconf ? |
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| 14:53.53 | jelly | Rajko: what works? |
| 14:54.02 | Rajko | as a command |
| 14:54.05 | Rajko | i do ulimit -s 1024 |
| 14:54.09 | Rajko | then restart apache |
| 14:54.14 | Rajko | and ram usage lowers by 70$ |
| 14:54.15 | Rajko | % |
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| 14:54.32 | Rajko | now i want it to be run at reboot before apache starts anyway |
| 14:54.39 | Rajko | sticking it into rc.local makes it run after apache |
| 14:54.41 | jelly | Rajko: plugin it in /etc/init.d/apache, eh |
| 14:54.52 | jelly | s/plugin/plug/ |
| 14:54.54 | stew | Rajko: /etc/security/limits.conf (man limits.conf) |
| 14:54.58 | stew | Rajko: (there is no /etc/sysconfig) |
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| 14:55.06 | stew | err /etc/sysconf |
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| 14:55.28 | jelly | stew: as I've said already, limits.conf gets used by pam-enabled services |
| 14:55.33 | Rajko | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.37 | jelly | which apache is not |
| 14:55.38 | Rajko | i want it to be used by EVERYTHING |
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| 14:55.55 | Rajko | so in some kernel config file if it uses one |
| 14:56.01 | Rajko | or the first command to happen after it can happen |
| 14:56.02 | stew | jelly: ah, ok, sorry |
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| 14:59.09 | jelly | it's going to be easier to set it up just for apache than for "everything" |
| 14:59.24 | Rajko | everything |
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| 14:59.44 | Rajko | just a command that runs before anything in init.d runs |
| 14:59.45 | Rajko | sheesh |
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| 15:04.29 | jelly | Rajko: "ulimit" is a shell builtin command. It only applies to that running shell process only and processes spawned by it. So it's not enough to just put it in some early init script, becuase those just get run by init, they end, and the value is lost |
| 15:04.44 | Rajko | OH DEAR |
| 15:05.11 | Rajko | is there a shell that starts all the services ? |
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| 15:05.33 | Rajko | i guess ill have to edit apache init.d script then |
| 15:05.42 | jelly | it's not a shell, it's a compiled binary, and it's called /sbin/init |
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| 15:05.56 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 15:06.01 | petemc | Rajko: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 15:06.17 | Madsy | Why am I unable to find the metapackage qt4-x11 on a vanilla Debian install? Isn't it located under /main ? |
| 15:06.40 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions qt4-x11 |
| 15:06.40 | judd | xeon-enouf: qt4-x11 -- |
| 15:06.51 | xeon-enouf | no pkg, that's swhy |
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| 15:07.23 | jelly | petemc: nice, I guess he could put an ulimit in /etc/init.d/rcS before the exec? |
| 15:08.05 | Madsy | So there is no metapackage for qt4 based development anymore? I have to get each package seperately? :-) |
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| 15:08.52 | NiLon_ | http://xkcd.com/644/ |
| 15:09.01 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: in mtools pkg, iirc |
| 15:09.28 | petemc | jelly: i was only really answering a general question about sysv, but sure¬ |
| 15:09.40 | Titan8990 | Madsy, anymore? I would guess the majority of the packages use qt3 as lenny uses kde3 |
| 15:09.47 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: it has a tool to rename fat/vfat labels, you have dosfsutils installed already i take it |
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| 15:10.18 | xeon-enouf | Madsy: search; /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 15:11.11 | xeon-enouf | jelly: he could also run it from /etc/inittab, IINM |
| 15:11.33 | jelly | xeon-enouf: run what? |
| 15:11.51 | abrotman | NiLon_: wrong channel |
| 15:12.07 | dec3pti0n | anyone seen this "kernel: task ... blocked for more than 120 seconds" issues on lenny 2.6.26 kernel ? |
| 15:12.10 | xeon-enouf | but, apache2 is launched in rc2.d/ no? if so, S03rc.local (/etc/rc.local) might be more apropos |
| 15:12.44 | xeon-enouf | SNNrc.local used to be S99, it's now S03 in newer squeeze/sid |
| 15:12.53 | xeon-enouf | jelly: ulimit |
| 15:13.26 | bolt | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 15:13.28 | bolt | bwahah |
| 15:13.47 | jelly | xeon-enouf: no, because quote "ulimit" is a shell builtin command. It only applies to that running shell process only and processes spawned by it. So it's not enough to just put it in some early init script, becuase those just get run by init, they end, and the value is lost unquote |
| 15:13.48 | xeon-enouf | dec3pti0n: sounds like some SMP issue, or perhaps when awakening/resuming from sleep/suspend? checked BTS? how about google? |
| 15:13.54 | bolt-wor1 | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 15:14.05 | xeon-enouf | jelly: so what |
| 15:14.11 | bolt | gah. sorry |
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| 15:15.03 | xeon-enouf | jelly: that's like saying it's not enough to wipe /tmp upon shutdown, because it'll be populated again at boot |
| 15:15.13 | dec3pti0n | xeon-enouf, I have checked google a bit and most findings were pointing to some kernel bug .. but I got look more |
| 15:15.20 | dec3pti0n | xeon-enouf, what's BTS ? |
| 15:15.45 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 15:15.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 15:16.09 | xeon-enouf | jelly: i'm referring to the inittab one, but point is taken as it pertains to rc.local - you're correct |
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| 15:16.46 | abrotman | that was quick ... |
| 15:16.59 | xeon-enouf | dec3pti0n: if it's an upstream kernel bug - see if it's resolved |
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| 15:17.23 | xeon-enouf | dec3pti0n: bts == bug tracking service (debian; bugs.debian.org) |
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| 15:17.41 | xeon-enouf | oh - thanks Titan8990 |
| 15:18.23 | dec3pti0n | xeon-enouf, cool thanks I'll check that out |
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| 15:20.02 | xeon-enouf | dec3pti0n: /msg dpkg bpo (if you find it's resolved prior to .30 - lenny-backports has a .30), but are there any other related messages? and can you describe what happens then? how is it affecting you? |
| 15:20.03 | Jenni04 | hello, I met a strange thing. When I was trying to login in gnome by using gdm or xdm. Every char I was typing will be repeated three times, such as "f" becoming "fff". But in console the KB works just fine. Any one could help me to solve this problem ? |
| 15:20.22 | jelly | xeon-enouf: no idea, if you can set a "global" limit with an inittab change, paste it somewhere |
| 15:21.15 | xeon-enouf | jelly: i was thinking of altering all the getty lines, but that seems like a kludge, .. but doable if really needed - better to recompile a kernel? ;-) |
| 15:23.24 | xeon-enouf | jelly: hrm, i haven't looked into this all, but ulimit isn't shell-specific, is it? if not, shouldn't there be a value somewhere in /sys or /proc that can just be altered for system-wide setting? |
| 15:24.47 | jelly | xeon-enouf: you tell me, you said you could do it in inittab |
| 15:25.12 | xeon-enouf | Jenni04: that'sok likely -- many times, there's a setting the places 3x chars for everyone you typewhen logging in - to confuse over-the-shoulder peepers |
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| 15:25.43 | xeon-enouf | Jenni04: you should set it to use * (asterisks) instead if itdoesn't already |
| 15:26.31 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: pm |
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| 15:26.35 | xeon-enouf | well, anything in inittab wouldn't be shell specific, AFAICT |
| 15:26.46 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 15:31.11 | Wulf_ | hello; what's the current way to configure the xorg server? |
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| 15:31.25 | Saint-N | whats the command to see if a nic is up or down? |
| 15:31.34 | Wulf_ | Saint-N: ip link show dev abc |
| 15:31.48 | Saint-N | thanks |
| 15:31.51 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, shouldn't need to be configured unless you use proprietary drivers. then you would use the tools provided by those drivers, nvidia-xconfig for example |
| 15:32.13 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, if you need a base template to edit you can use: X -configure |
| 15:32.16 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: it's an amd onboard chip. the propietary driver fails to install, without the driver it does not work. |
| 15:32.27 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, what driver? fails how? |
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| 15:33.30 | Titan8990 | oh.. amd? they have proprietary drivers? or were you implying ati? |
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| 15:33.42 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: radeon. yes, ati |
| 15:33.47 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: since Lenny, it's automagically config'd |
| 15:34.02 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: /msg dpkg xorg.conf |
| 15:34.12 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, what fails? |
| 15:34.23 | Wulf_ | X starts up, but there's nothing useful on the screen |
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| 15:34.38 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log (to see which drivers are loading) |
| 15:34.53 | Wulf_ | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so |
| 15:35.10 | xeon-enouf | Wulf_: grep '(EE)' <same file> for possible errors , oh |
| 15:35.29 | xeon-enouf | well, it'd be '^(EE)' but nm |
| 15:35.52 | Wulf_ | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 15:35.52 | Wulf_ | (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 15:36.15 | Wulf_ | kernel says: [ 4413.651934] mtrr: no MTRR for e0000000,1000000 found |
| 15:36.36 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, how did you install the drivers? which kernel are you using? |
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| 15:36.55 | Jenni2009 | sorry for repeat my question due to dic. I met a strange thing. When I was trying to login in gnome by using gdm or xdm. Every char I was typing will be repeated three times, such as "f" becoming "fff". But in console the KB works just fine. Any one could help me to solve this problem ? |
| 15:37.06 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: 2.6.30-2-amd64. apt-get install xorg |
| 15:37.28 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, thats not proprietary drivers |
| 15:38.02 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: for that, I downloaded ati-driver-installer-9-9-x86.x86_64.run and started it. some things are done, but it fails with some glibc memory error |
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| 15:38.32 | Titan8990 | !fglrx |
| 15:38.32 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:38.41 | SHAGGSTaRR | I'm using Debian Lenny and the GUI update crashed, leaving / read only. |
| 15:38.44 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, did you read the docs that tell you how to install the correct way? |
| 15:38.45 | SHAGGSTaRR | How do I rectify that? |
| 15:38.52 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: nope |
| 15:39.03 | Titan8990 | SHAGGSTaRR, is / readonly or did it fail to mount /? |
| 15:39.15 | SHAGGSTaRR | Titan8990: / is mounted, just readonly. |
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| 15:39.20 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, try to uninstall whatever you installed manually and follow through the docs |
| 15:39.39 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: thanks. will do |
| 15:39.41 | Titan8990 | SHAGGSTaRR, so... your not in a busybox shell and df -h reports the correct drive mounted at /? |
| 15:40.01 | SHAGGSTaRR | I'm using a vtty, df says everything is mounted |
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| 15:40.27 | SHAGGSTaRR | yet I can't pipe anything into a file and touch errs "touch: Can't touch "test". Read-only filesystem." |
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| 15:40.56 | SHAGGSTaRR | I can't start x. couldn't start firefox from x while I had it running. |
| 15:41.02 | Titan8990 | SHAGGSTaRR, is this an embedded device? |
| 15:41.10 | SHAGGSTaRR | This is a laptop. |
| 15:41.25 | SHAGGSTaRR | It's happened before but it was prior to a required reformatting |
| 15:41.58 | SHAGGSTaRR | I only have one drive mounted, for / |
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| 15:42.12 | Wulf_ | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.30-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
| 15:42.16 | SHAGGSTaRR | how can I make the mount writeable? |
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| 15:42.41 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, all your issues have been memory related... sure you don't have a hardware issue of some kind? |
| 15:43.08 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: everything else seems to work |
| 15:43.35 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, well, i do think fglrx had issues with an kernels > .29 |
| 15:43.40 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, but you are also having issues with radeon.... |
| 15:43.56 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: http://codepad.org/snhN1i66 for the full error message while loading fglrx module |
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| 15:44.08 | SHAGGSTaRR | Titan8990: how can I remount / as writeable? |
| 15:44.11 | kriox | !samba |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ ("Using Samba, 3rd Edition" not yet available online), http://wiki.samba.org/ Backported Samba 3.3.4 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <backports.org>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:44.36 | Wulf_ | to me it looks like a crappy driver. Is there some way to tell linux to use only 1 GiB of memory? maybe it's too much for the driver |
| 15:45.14 | Titan8990 | SHAGGSTaRR, you would need to reboot to remount / but first you need to figure out why it mounted read-only in the first place |
| 15:45.20 | Titan8990 | SHAGGSTaRR, start by checking dmesg |
| 15:45.24 | SHAGGSTaRR | k |
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| 15:45.28 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, what version of debian is this? |
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| 15:45.44 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: sid |
| 15:46.07 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, lol then works as expected... not at all |
| 15:46.13 | Wulf_ | hehe :) |
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| 15:46.53 | Blackhold | hello |
| 15:47.00 | WastePotato | Hi. |
| 15:47.13 | Blackhold | does someone how to bind pure-ftpd to 8080 port? |
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| 15:47.24 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, looks like a confirmed bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542849 |
| 15:47.28 | Blackhold | I'm looking to internet manuals but it don't works! |
| 15:47.40 | SlayerXP | Blackhold: someone who has read the documentation might. |
| 15:47.58 | SlayerXP | but doing ftp on a non-standard port is going to be a PITA |
| 15:48.23 | SlayerXP | ftp is already a horrible protocol, doing it on non-standard ports makes everyone sad |
| 15:48.26 | Wulf_ | Titan8990: oh great, ati doesn't support old cards anymore and the free driver fails. thanks for the link.. |
| 15:48.30 | Titan8990 | solution: file transfer via apache on 8080 |
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| 15:48.40 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, yeah, dropped support my laptop too |
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| 15:48.46 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, in radeon and fglrx |
| 15:48.50 | Blackhold | Titan8990: this server has to been used with windows lusers |
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| 15:49.05 | Blackhold | and windows xp gives me some problems on using webdav |
| 15:49.25 | Wulf_ | why is it I *always* have problems with ati cards? |
| 15:49.26 | kriox | hi |
| 15:49.29 | Titan8990 | yeah, you have to do a "hack" that drops the domain name off authentication |
| 15:49.34 | Titan8990 | other than that its fine |
| 15:49.49 | Titan8990 | Wulf_, ATI has terrible linux support? |
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| 15:51.05 | Titan8990 | Blackhold, the real tough part is if you have to throw mac os x clients in the mix |
| 15:51.20 | Titan8990 | last time I had checked there wasn't a reasonable webdav client for it |
| 15:52.44 | SHAGGSTaRR | Titan8990: just rebooted. it worked. thanks =) |
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| 16:00.56 | yang | Why is /etc/sudoers read-only file ? How can I add username into sudo group ? |
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| 16:01.32 | stew | yang: use visudo |
| 16:01.38 | yang | ok |
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| 16:02.44 | epsilon | .oO emacssudo |
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| 16:03.21 | ghostman | You can`t always get what you want. ;) |
| 16:03.56 | krio__ | italiano |
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| 16:05.55 | stian1979 | why kinit don't start at boot? |
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| 16:07.10 | Zitter | which command to set server at startup? i remember there was a debian tool... |
| 16:07.14 | macrobat | !it |
| 16:07.15 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:16.56 | xeon-enouf | stian1979: why should it? |
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| 16:17.15 | xeon-enouf | Zitter: what does 'set server' mean? |
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| 16:21.11 | abrotman | Zitter: update-rc.d |
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| 16:29.44 | ariusko | hy |
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| 16:30.30 | shivraj | what program will play .bin cd files ? |
| 16:30.49 | mesa_booger | shivraj: vlc |
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| 16:32.29 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 16:32.58 | shivraj | mesa_booger: I think I will rip a cd as soon as I buy it to prevent data loss from scratches from now on :) |
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| 16:34.06 | shivraj | are you sure mesa_booger , this is a .bin file from cdrdao |
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| 16:35.38 | jelly | shivraj: there should be a matching cue file |
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| 16:35.43 | xeon-enouf | shivraj: you have a cue file as well? |
| 16:35.49 | xeon-enouf | !win jelly |
| 16:35.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 16:36.15 | project2501a | hey guys, what does "status half-installed foo" mean? |
| 16:36.15 | jelly | shivraj: in any case, mplayer can detect and play dvd images. Perhaps vlc can do that too |
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| 16:36.39 | project2501a | in dpkg |
| 16:36.51 | xeon-enouf | project2501a: apt-get install -f |
| 16:37.10 | xeon-enouf | it means half-installed :-P |
| 16:38.10 | devurandom | Is the NoMachine nxclient available for Debian somewhere? |
| 16:38.14 | project2501a | ah; ok |
| 16:38.30 | project2501a | apparently, when i try seeing any pages in greek, the letters are messed |
| 16:38.36 | project2501a | messed as it doesn't look like they are monotype |
| 16:38.52 | project2501a | but some other script, which doesn't look good at all |
| 16:38.58 | jelly | iceweasel? |
| 16:39.09 | project2501a | jelly: opera |
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| 16:39.26 | jelly | project2501a: are MS core fonts installed? |
| 16:39.31 | project2501a | the thing is, this broke 3 days ago, when i apt-get upgraded on squeese |
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| 16:39.38 | project2501a | jelly: good question, let me take a look |
| 16:39.41 | jelly | project2501a: opera 10? |
| 16:39.48 | xeon-enouf | !msttfontcore |
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| 16:39.58 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 16:40.10 | project2501a | jelly: yup :) |
| 16:40.18 | project2501a | jelly: dpkg -l | grep -i font | grep -i microsoft comes up negative |
| 16:40.32 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: i don't think it's pkg'd in official debian, not 100% sure though |
| 16:40.32 | jelly | project2501a: qt3? static or shared lib? |
| 16:40.43 | project2501a | jelly: qt4, shared. |
| 16:40.46 | jelly | project2501a: msttcorefonts is the package name |
| 16:40.50 | project2501a | jelly: ta |
| 16:41.00 | jelly | project2501a: do you also use kde4? |
| 16:41.09 | project2501a | jelly: nope. |
| 16:41.29 | jelly | project2501a: perhaps the library (Qt4) settings are somehow messed up |
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| 16:42.38 | project2501a | jelly: though i think ikasa is a fucking moron (as far as free software is concearned) and gnome sucks (NO I DONT WANT TO MAX the browser window everytime i open it, can you please turn that feature off???), i can't be arsed to change desktops. gnome works, and i can open 5x 80x85 terminals on it. good enough for me. |
| 16:42.53 | jelly | project2501a: messing with qt4-qtconfig migt or might not help. If a statically linked opera works better, that's an indication |
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| 16:43.08 | project2501a | jelly: installing ms core fonts, i'll restart opera and see what happens |
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| 16:43.24 | int203 | hi- in which files do i assign ethX to a specific mac address? |
| 16:43.33 | xeon-enouf | !70 |
| 16:43.33 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 16:43.50 | project2501a | jelly: the funny part is, that last dist-upgrade actually removed gnome :D |
| 16:43.55 | project2501a | and gnome-desktop |
| 16:44.09 | jelly | project2501a: I've no idea how gnome works with Qt4, but KDE can change GTK+ settings too, so maybe Gnome also does something with Qt |
| 16:44.11 | project2501a | i was watching it remove gnome and i was like wtf.... |
| 16:44.21 | project2501a | ta mate |
| 16:44.28 | project2501a | εÏεÏεÏε |
| 16:44.36 | project2501a | hmm greek fonts in xchat work great |
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| 16:44.57 | xeberdee | I'm new to Debian but have a bit of experience with other distros. Running terminal. Want to increase the resolution so I can use elinks? Wot to do? |
| 16:45.08 | project2501a | jelly: core fonts fixed it, cheers mate |
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| 16:47.54 | xeberdee | Does the basic install of Debian have support for uvesa framebuffer? How to increase the resolution in terinal? |
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| 16:48.29 | Zitter | xeberdee, abrotman i was founding rcconf |
| 16:48.32 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: That would confirm my findings (none). :( |
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| 16:50.39 | anewbie | hello guys why i can't access symlink to /var/www from ftp client |
| 16:50.45 | anewbie | the permissions on the link are 777 |
| 16:51.00 | anewbie | i use proftpd for ftp server |
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| 16:51.03 | xeberdee | Zitter: rc.conf? |
| 16:51.07 | anewbie | and filezilla for client |
| 16:51.15 | SlayerXP | anewbie: a symlink always has 777, that's how they work |
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| 16:51.48 | anewbie | i see but why i can access it then |
| 16:52.08 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: one second - did you check p.d.o ? |
| 16:52.08 | SlayerXP | anewbie: because the permissions of the directory the symlink is pointing to are not sufficient? |
| 16:52.27 | anewbie | 666 |
| 16:52.29 | anewbie | ... |
| 16:52.39 | anewbie | is there need for 777 to be sufficient ? |
| 16:52.41 | xeberdee | anewbie: permissions are more than just for 1 person |
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| 16:53.01 | SlayerXP | anewbie: if your docroot has 666 then you've broken it, if you make your docroot 777 then you're stupid. |
| 16:53.20 | xeberdee | anewbie: who has access to the file the symlink refers to |
| 16:53.44 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: is putty an option instead? or maybe *vnc* things? |
| 16:53.56 | anewbie | xeberdee, 666 permision |
| 16:54.01 | xeberdee | anewbie: ftp group access? user access? |
| 16:54.02 | anewbie | that means rw-rw-rw |
| 16:54.17 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: I checked my local database using aptitude. |
| 16:54.20 | xeberdee | anewbie: for who? |
| 16:54.24 | anewbie | the owner can read and write the group can read and write and all can read and write |
| 16:54.25 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: putty is Windows, not? |
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| 16:54.33 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: yes ; /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 16:54.38 | xeon-enouf | youtoo Zitter |
| 16:54.49 | anewbie | SlayerXP, this is a dricetory that must countain a web site and it is in /var/www |
| 16:54.56 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: vga=NNNboot param |
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| 16:55.16 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 16:55.17 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: I just got neatx running on my desktop and figured out that freenx/qtnx kinda sux, while the nomachine client works fine, at least locally on the desktop. |
| 16:55.40 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: i've used links2 -g in console (/msg dpkg links2) |
| 16:55.45 | anewbie | i thing the proper question is what kind of permision must have ftp user to access the directory i thing rw is enough |
| 16:55.50 | anewbie | but i am wrong maybe |
| 16:56.05 | ranix | fbcon is one of the best things to go into the kernel in years |
| 16:56.07 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: i know nothing about the softwares you mention except thatthey |
| 16:56.10 | ranix | I love it |
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| 16:56.16 | xeon-enouf | 're somehow related and windows related |
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| 16:56.34 | xeberdee | anewbie: does the ftp user have a chroot? |
| 16:56.48 | anewbie | nope |
| 16:56.50 | anewbie | aaa |
| 16:56.51 | xeon-enouf | !listvals scponlyc |
| 16:56.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scponlyc' by value returned no results. |
| 16:56.53 | anewbie | ooo |
| 16:56.56 | xeon-enouf | !listvals scponly |
| 16:56.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scponly' by value (1): scp. |
| 16:57.01 | anewbie | i use the ftp jail |
| 16:57.04 | anewbie | in proftpd.conf |
| 16:57.10 | anewbie | may be this was the problem |
| 16:57.16 | xeon-enouf | use vsftpd |
| 16:57.42 | xeberdee | anewbie: I think so too - vsftp |
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| 16:58.31 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: They are not windows related, at least afaik. |
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| 17:00.34 | jamelyn | i have jamelyn ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/squid reload in /etc/sudoers but when i try to do sudo /etc/init.d/squid reload i get an error saying i'm not authorized. what'd i do wrong? |
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| 17:01.04 | valdyn | jamelyn: the space between squid and reload |
| 17:01.29 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: not vnc, etc - but certainly putty is? or ... then what's it's (nx/nomachine's) purpose |
| 17:01.32 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 17:01.45 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: putty is, yes. Windows ssh client. |
| 17:02.03 | valdyn | jamelyn: also, why would you put squid into sudoers? |
| 17:02.09 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: NX is a X11 cache/compressor, speeding up remote X11 connections. |
| 17:02.11 | Madsy | Uh.. my xorg.conf looks dangerously empty. Are the screen, monitor and device sections are all empty, except for identifiers. Is it suppose to be that way? |
| 17:02.21 | valdyn | Madsy: yes |
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| 17:02.26 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: use ssh? |
| 17:02.33 | Madsy | Iæm running Debian with KDE. I'm surprised Xorg even started. |
| 17:02.48 | jamelyn | valdyn: even if i remove the " reload", it doesnt work. how would i do it? i want that user to be able to reload squid when they change a blacklist |
| 17:02.57 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: Yes, X11 forwarding via SSH. |
| 17:03.05 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: i wonder whatever happened to http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 17:03.11 | Madsy | valdyn: So where are the settings located now, if not in xorg.conf? |
| 17:03.17 | valdyn | Madsy: nowhere |
| 17:03.41 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: so, you mean on top of that, nx/nomachine speeds it up? ssh already has compression available |
| 17:03.55 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: That's an openssh patchset, right? speedup for large data transfers, right? |
| 17:04.02 | xeon-enouf | has a very populated xorg.conf in sid |
| 17:04.08 | Madsy | ..okay. So how do I manage my hardware settings then? Like screen refresh rate and allowed resolutions? |
| 17:04.08 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: yep |
| 17:04.10 | valdyn | Madsy: or you could think if the settings being stored in your gfx card's and in your monitor's firmware |
| 17:04.20 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: ssh can at max do zlib compression. |
| 17:04.55 | valdyn | Madsy: you can manage that via xorg.conf |
| 17:04.55 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: NX does compression on image and X level, and also caching. |
| 17:04.55 | valdyn | Madsy: you can also manage that via xrandr |
| 17:04.55 | devurandom | xeon-enouf: See wikipedia for the details. |
| 17:04.59 | xeon-enouf | devurandom: tried something like; http://www.miscdebris.net/blog/2007/06/01/speed-up-ssh-x11-forwarding/ ? |
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| 17:05.07 | MacGyverNL | xeon-enouf: NX is based on the X11 protocol, but it does several things which eliminate a lot of traffic, hence it's usually faster than X11 over compressed SSH. |
| 17:05.12 | valdyn | Madsy: its not required though in most cases |
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| 17:05.51 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: well ok - thanks for the infos - but i'd prefer to maybe look into the HPN patch ;-) |
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| 17:06.08 | jamelyn | valdyn: ? |
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| 17:07.05 | xeon-enouf | and, AIUI, vnc allows one access/control to the remote Desktop, which ssh -X doesn't, does NX/NoMachine also enable that? |
| 17:07.12 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: ^ ^ ^ |
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| 17:07.36 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: like x11-vncserver, vncviewer, etc |
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| 17:08.05 | MacGyverNL | Uhm. |
| 17:08.20 | MacGyverNL | How exactly do you mean? |
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| 17:08.46 | devurandom | MacGyverNL: Whether NX exports a screen of a running X session. |
| 17:08.53 | MacGyverNL | Oh, right. No. |
| 17:08.56 | devurandom | Afaik it does not, at least not by default. |
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| 17:09.38 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: when i run ssh -X user@host .. i am in effect launching a new PID and Desktop session through my xclient - if the remote machine was already up and running an X session with say a DE, i cannot access that session - that's what VNC is for, AIUI |
| 17:09.47 | valdyn | jamelyn: NOPASSWD is not a user |
| 17:09.48 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 17:10.10 | lolufail | hi |
| 17:10.14 | valdyn | jamelyn: maybe you should read the manpage to sudoers, it does have examples |
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| 17:10.22 | MacGyverNL | Yeah, NX doesn't enable that either, however, you can use NX locally, so you could use a local NX session and later connect to it remotely. |
| 17:10.36 | MacGyverNL | I think there *was* talk by the NX developers on implementing that, though. |
| 17:10.39 | lolufail | I just installed debian instead of ubuntu on my very buggy server, now, when I hotplug a esata drive, I get: http://pastebin.com/mee2f709 |
| 17:10.46 | xeberdee | How to configure my kernel? |
| 17:10.54 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: somewhat like a 'screen' detach/attach feature? |
| 17:11.21 | lolufail | I read I should use the kernel paramter "pci=nomsi", does that make sense? |
| 17:11.33 | MacGyverNL | xeon-enouf: Yes, NX does do persistent sessions. So if you use an NX session locally to do your work, you can later connect to it remotely. |
| 17:11.36 | xeon-enouf | pci=nommconf also try lolufail |
| 17:11.52 | MacGyverNL | Instead of a running X session you'd have a running NX session to attach to. |
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| 17:12.18 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: try also /msg dpkg rescan scsi |
| 17:12.22 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: this did work on the new ubuntu kernels, 2.6.28 that is.. |
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| 17:12.29 | valdyn | xeberdee: how to build a car? |
| 17:13.02 | MacGyverNL | BUT as I said I might be wrong, it's a long time since I checked and there was talk about implementing it. |
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| 17:13.02 | valdyn | xeberdee: or in other words, if you have to ask this, you should let experts do it and use a debian kernel |
| 17:13.23 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: yep pci=nomsi is valid |
| 17:13.25 | xeon-enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.31/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L1785 |
| 17:13.27 | xeberdee | valdyn: No - how to config my kernel. In gentoo I can use /usr/src/make menu |
| 17:14.03 | bigmack83 | on "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/" is there a difference between any of the iso images? i started the #1 iso but wasnt sure if there was a difference between them as they are different sizes |
| 17:14.05 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: not that it fixes anything and doesn't break other shit - same for pci=nommconf |
| 17:14.05 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: I know it's valid, though I wonder about the reason for this failure.. and if the workarounds will slow my machine down even more :\ |
| 17:14.16 | xeberdee | valdyn: How might I see if I have support for uvesa framebuffer? |
| 17:14.21 | xeon-enouf | no idea offhand - ask the kern devs |
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| 17:14.41 | xeberdee | valdyn: or anything else for that matter. I'm a newbie on Debian. |
| 17:15.23 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: also specify dpkg --print-architecture (32 or 64 bit) and cat /proc/version for kernel bitness |
| 17:15.48 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: 'file /bin/ls' will also show you userspace bitness |
| 17:16.01 | valdyn | !kernel mantra |
| 17:16.01 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: modingo uvesafb |
| 17:16.01 | dpkg | somebody said kp mantra was make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 17:16.06 | valdyn | xeberdee: ^^ |
| 17:16.07 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: modinfo uvesafb |
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| 17:16.48 | lolufail | also: stupid lenny installer installed grub on the usb stick I installed it with, I got that fixed, as well as the wrong device identigiers in the initramdisc for the cryptloop...now: when I boot I get prompted for the password of the root device, he boots a little bit, and tries the decrypt it again (saying FAIL because it's already mounted -.-) |
| 17:16.51 | xeon-enouf | you need b-e libncurses5-dev (for menuconfig) and some other stuff, maybe fakeroot |
| 17:16.51 | Pentarex | hello |
| 17:16.53 | lolufail | any hints :D? |
| 17:16.59 | Pentarex | can someone help me |
| 17:17.00 | Pentarex | :? |
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| 17:17.02 | abrotman | bigmack83: they have different software on them |
| 17:17.07 | abrotman | Pentarex: ask your real question |
| 17:17.09 | xeberdee | valdyn: That's a mantra, not information pertaining my problem :) |
| 17:17.21 | adb | xeberdee, grep -i uvesa /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686 > CONFIG_FB_UVESA=m |
| 17:17.26 | valdyn | xeberdee: its the command you asked for |
| 17:17.39 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: /etc/crypttab or something needs to be correct, and then update-initramfs |
| 17:17.55 | bigmack83 | abrotman, ah i see, i did not see anywhere stating that there was different software on them or what the differences were |
| 17:18.08 | Pentarex | abrotman: Man i want to create Debian USB stick... i mean i want to install debian linux in my acer d150 and i dont know how to do that..... ive installed before linuxmint, ubuntu but i cannot make debian on usb... |
| 17:18.17 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 17:18.18 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:18.31 | abrotman | bigmack83: why would they make 25 CDs that have the same thing ? |
| 17:18.51 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: i recently stumbled across http://xrunhprof.wordpress.com/tag/debian/ though i haven't tried it - seems reasonable - no guarantees! :-) |
| 17:18.56 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: I think it's correct, though I use uuids now |
| 17:19.01 | bigmack83 | abrotman, yea thats what my reasoning was. |
| 17:19.02 | Pentarex | abrotman: yes i know but i need the IMG file and i cannot find it... |
| 17:19.11 | xeberdee | valdyn: does debian not have a kernel .config app |
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| 17:19.23 | bigmack83 | i just didnt see anywhere that posted the differences |
| 17:19.29 | valdyn | xeberdee: the kernel always has its own config app |
| 17:19.32 | abrotman | Pentarex: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 ... doesn't that hvae a link to the media you need ? |
| 17:19.45 | valdyn | xeberdee: the "config app" is part of the kernel |
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| 17:20.01 | xeon-enouf | see /scripts :-) |
| 17:20.17 | Pentarex | abrotman: thanks man :) |
| 17:20.19 | valdyn | xeberdee: and i have no idea what gentoo does differently there |
| 17:20.21 | xeberdee | valdyn: How do you access the kernel config parameters to add support for various things |
| 17:20.23 | Titan8990 | valdyn, I wouldn't say part of the kernel... more like part of the kernel sources |
| 17:20.34 | valdyn | Titan8990: yea |
| 17:20.43 | MacGyverNL | xeon-enouf: It *seems* that it's possible to connect to an existing X11 session based on reading 2 implemented feature requests. |
| 17:20.44 | xeon-enouf | xeberdee: make *menu*config same as any |
| 17:20.49 | Titan8990 | xeberdee, make menuconfig |
| 17:20.56 | MacGyverNL | xeon-enouf: See http://www.nomachine.com/fr/view.php?id=FR11D01559 and http://www.nomachine.com/fr/view.php?id=FR10C01069 |
| 17:20.59 | valdyn | xeberdee: cd /path/to/kernel-source ; make menuconfig |
| 17:21.00 | Titan8990 | or if you fail you might use make xconfig |
| 17:21.05 | xeberdee | Hey - I asked the right question :) |
| 17:21.10 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: btw what made you think I had a wrong arch installed? |
| 17:21.14 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: an existing remote session/ - ok MacGyverNL - thanks, i was just curious |
| 17:21.24 | Titan8990 | valdyn, kernel-source should almost always be "linux" |
| 17:21.24 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: i never said that |
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| 17:21.36 | ola | xaberdee: 'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' in your kernel source path |
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| 17:21.53 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: i was insinuating to clarify which |
| 17:21.54 | valdyn | Titan8990: umm |
| 17:22.09 | MacGyverNL | xeon-enouf: No, I meant an existing running X11 session on the server. As in, the local display. |
| 17:22.12 | MacGyverNL | But I'm not sure. |
| 17:22.14 | rares | can't find the experimental sources for debian-multimedia |
| 17:22.14 | valdyn | Titan8990: more like almsot always not |
| 17:22.15 | MacGyverNL | Would have to test. |
| 17:22.15 | Pentarex | abrotman: hey man i cannot find it debian 5 (idk the name of the distro) i need IMG file but i cannot find it sorry im noob :D |
| 17:22.18 | ola | xeberdee: oops, misspelled your nick |
| 17:22.18 | MacGyverNL | Anyway, g2g. |
| 17:22.22 | Titan8990 | valdyn, current kernel sources should be symlinked to /usr/src/linux |
| 17:22.24 | rares | i want to get the source for miro |
| 17:22.27 | xeon-enouf | MacGyverNL: ok - no worries - have fun ;-) |
| 17:22.30 | Titan8990 | valdyn, it is tradition and good practice |
| 17:22.42 | xeon-enouf | rares: there are none/ |
| 17:22.43 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 17:22.51 | xeberdee | So - my next question - in my disabled state of 800x600 is - where is the path to the kernel source in Debian |
| 17:22.58 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: no, it's stupid actually |
| 17:23.03 | rares | apt-get source miro gives me |
| 17:23.09 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, why is it stupid? |
| 17:23.14 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: i build my kernels off disk anyway |
| 17:23.21 | rares | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_experimental_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 17:23.22 | xeon-enouf | because, ask linus |
| 17:23.34 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: go google ;-) |
| 17:23.36 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, hes not around so I am asking you |
| 17:23.44 | xeon-enouf | i'm not googling for you |
| 17:23.48 | rares | linus is never around here |
| 17:23.48 | valdyn | i guess building kernels as root is tradition too |
| 17:23.55 | xeon-enouf | and it's a bit complicated to explain |
| 17:24.05 | xeon-enouf | hahaha @ valdyn |
| 17:24.24 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, first link on google was debian specific doc that creates the linux symlink.... http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/tree-kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 17:24.33 | valdyn | maybe the vmware installer is now after only half a decade doing the right thing |
| 17:24.40 | xeon-enouf | ... |
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| 17:25.00 | valdyn | Titan8990: nice one |
| 17:25.05 | xeon-enouf | hehe |
| 17:25.22 | valdyn | Titan8990: i mean : "bash:~# adduser my_username src |
| 17:26.24 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: first hit! |
| 17:26.24 | xeon-enouf | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Kernel/usr-src-linux-symlink.html |
| 17:26.59 | xeon-enouf | !googlefu-smite Titan8990 |
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| 17:27.10 | ranix | judd: pciid |
| 17:27.11 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, i had found it, but not via google exactly |
| 17:27.12 | judd | ranix: (pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]". |
| 17:27.17 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, found a forum poster linking to it |
| 17:27.38 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: its really nice now |
| 17:27.45 | Pentarex | Hey guys where i can find debain 5.img file |
| 17:27.46 | Pentarex | :? |
| 17:27.47 | valdyn | ... which i never noticed before |
| 17:28.08 | valdyn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 valdyn src 47 12. Sep 19:10 linux -> /home/valdyn/download/kernel-amd64/linux-2.6.31 |
| 17:28.11 | valdyn | automagic |
| 17:28.30 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, well, still not going to stop me because there are distros like arch and gentoo that require the symlink |
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| 17:29.32 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: actually - sorry - this is much more apropos http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/compkern.html |
| 17:29.33 | valdyn | Titan8990: problem is that you arent supposed to touch the stuff inside linux except to build additional out of tree modules |
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| 17:29.53 | NiLon_ | damn why can't php 5.3 come already |
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| 17:30.16 | Titan8990 | valdyn, the discussion is whether or not to make the linux symlink |
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| 17:31.12 | xeon-enouf | "Pretty much every distribution still has that broken symlink, and people still remember that the linux sources should go into "/usr/src/linux" even though that hasn't been true in a loong time." |
| 17:31.19 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, because I am an oxygen developer? |
| 17:31.29 | xeon-enouf | "Is there some documentation file that I've not updated and that people are slavishly following outdated information in? I don't read the documentation myself, so I'd never notice ;) Linus" |
| 17:31.33 | rares | NiLon_ use experimental if you need it tha tbadly |
| 17:31.56 | xeon-enouf | "And this is actually what has been the suggested environment for at least the last five years. I don't know why the symlink business keeps on living on, like a bad zombie." |
| 17:32.09 | NiLon_ | rares it's not working |
| 17:32.10 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, for my primary distro there is plenty of documentation that tells about how your kernel sources need to be symlinked to linux |
| 17:32.23 | rares | Titan8890: The discussion is never on what to do but on why to do or not do |
| 17:32.28 | valdyn | debian just disagrees with what linus said in 2000 |
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| 17:32.51 | rares | ok so where's the source for miro? |
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| 17:33.33 | Titan8990 | rares, apt-get source miro? |
| 17:34.04 | xeon-enouf | ~$ apt-cache showsrc miro |
| 17:34.05 | xeon-enouf | Package: miro |
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| 17:34.24 | rares | nevermind it was just complaining that there are no experimental sources |
| 17:34.32 | rares | i commented it out in sources.list |
| 17:34.55 | xeon-enouf | rares: running squeeze? sid? |
| 17:35.03 | rares | mixed |
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| 17:35.43 | xeon-enouf | rares: place APT::Default-Release "unstable"; <=-orwhichever it is! into /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:36.21 | rares | i never use the nicknames |
| 17:36.22 | Titan8990 | i had the sources... and i didn't need to edit apt configuration |
| 17:36.25 | xeon-enouf | rares: then you can leave others uncommented in sources.list, then just use apt-get -t other-release-here install pkgname |
| 17:36.48 | rares | anywho i got it |
| 17:36.50 | xeon-enouf | who's using nicknames? what? |
| 17:37.00 | xeon-enouf | wtf are you talking about? |
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| 17:37.01 | rares | squeeze sid potato |
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| 17:37.17 | |Mike| | haha, troll |
| 17:37.24 | xeon-enouf | so don't use them .. i certainly don't |
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| 17:37.38 | rares | anywho i got miro sources |
| 17:37.39 | xeon-enouf | sid is always unstable though |
| 17:37.47 | Titan8990 | rares, easier to identify then "testing" and "unstable" |
| 17:37.52 | xeon-enouf | so that's an exception to the rule |
| 17:38.19 | xeon-enouf | experimental isn't on the map of nicks, so that's a non-issue |
| 17:38.22 | rares | next i'm going to make miro save files with their titles |
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| 17:38.36 | rares | not video4.mp4 |
| 17:38.52 | rares | makes making subcollections difficult |
| 17:39.26 | smokey | What is debian |
| 17:39.44 | xeon-enouf | a big spliff! |
| 17:39.45 | Titan8990 | !debian |
| 17:39.45 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 17:39.55 | xeon-enouf | a huge bong hit |
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| 17:40.36 | xeon-enouf | quick .. someone roll me a phatty for smokey |
| 17:40.36 | ghostman | jep |
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| 17:41.07 | ghostman | I`ll wait for further comments... ;) |
| 17:41.11 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: ? |
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| 17:42.43 | Titan8990 | passes to xeon-enouf |
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| 17:47.03 | crescendo | I have installed my debian-based OS to an encrypted partition (LUKS). When booting, it allows me to enter the passphrase, but then drops me to (initramfs) with the following error: ALERT! /dev/mapper/sdb3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! -- what now? |
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| 17:47.57 | markybob_ | as your debian-based channel |
| 17:48.02 | markybob_ | s/as/ask |
| 17:48.12 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm looking for an app that will allow me to view non-rfc822 messages on a server. ( Thunderbird won't do it. ) |
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| 17:49.18 | crescendo | markybob_, that's unfair, you know that channel isn't nice. :) |
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| 17:50.30 | jelly-home | crescendo: step 1) reproduce the problem with real debian |
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| 17:51.35 | ewet | hi, I don't work with apache very often: is it necessary to harden apache on a local install (so no one can access it but the local users)? pointing me to a howto would already be fine :) |
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| 17:57.34 | xeon-enouf | ewet: just block it all at the router |
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| 17:58.07 | xeon-enouf | ewet: that's what i do with all Windows installs - no internet for them! |
| 17:58.21 | xeon-enouf | s/all/all my/ |
| 17:59.17 | xeon-enouf | surprisingly winXP with NO stupid ServicePacks runs remarkably speedy on just 128M RAM iona 500MHz pIII |
| 17:59.23 | xeon-enouf | but that's OT |
| 17:59.48 | ewet | xeon-enouf, this is a desktop and I don't use a router - just a dsl modem. I don't really want to use a firewall... aand: my system is debian ;) |
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| 18:00.17 | xeon-enouf | ewet: invest the 30 bucks - alleviates many headaches ;-) |
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| 18:00.40 | xeon-enouf | ewet: and how would you LAN your local users? switches? hubs? ugh |
| 18:00.42 | ewet | I think it's all about this allow deny crap -- but I didn't quite understand and there's not much help on google for installing apache locally (or I'm dumb) |
| 18:00.55 | xeon-enouf | iptables |
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| 18:01.21 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:01.25 | ewet | xeon-enouf, it's just drupal as a pim and the local users are really just local on this machine |
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| 18:03.04 | jerng | hi all! i just connected a new monitor to my notebook; with 'randr' i only can set the resolution to 1280x800, but a resolution of 1920x1080 is supported by the monitor. is this a problem concering the driver? |
| 18:03.20 | Titan8990 | jerng, most of the time, yes |
| 18:04.02 | jerng | Titan8990: ok i have to grow deeper into that direction. thx |
| 18:04.39 | Titan8990 | jerng, find out which driver you should be using for your video card and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what driver is actually being used |
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| 18:14.07 | objorn | both mumble and the mumble-server are v. 1.1.8-3 |
| 18:14.26 | objorn | however they are having trouble communicating with each other: SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number. |
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| 18:14.49 | objorn | they were obtained from the repo |
| 18:14.59 | objorn | the official repo |
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| 18:16.51 | xeon-enouf | objorn: it's likely wrong libssl* versions it's impyling |
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| 18:18.50 | objorn | both installed libssl0.9.8 according to apt-file |
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| 18:19.30 | objorn | er, were dependent upon 0.9.8 or greater |
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| 18:20.25 | xeon-enouf | objorn: see if there's some sort of verbose ouput option such like ssh has |
| 18:20.47 | xeon-enouf | objorn: did you build them? or install the .debs? if so how? |
| 18:21.08 | xeon-enouf | objorn: apt-file is not the correct tool |
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| 18:21.29 | xeon-enouf | objorn: apt-cache policy <pkgname> and dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 18:22.27 | objorn | okay, the problem was that i was connection to the wrong port, it was listening on another port though it is also using the one i was trying to connec to |
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| 18:28.30 | EvilGenius | Help! WTF is ksoftirqd ?? |
| 18:28.57 | EvilGenius | Its killing my server, can't access almost 99% unusable. barely was able to run Htop |
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| 18:29.06 | radulovity | hello! |
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| 18:29.30 | radulovity | Howto find which process use a UDP port |
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| 18:31.12 | int203 | radulovity: lsof -i |
| 18:31.34 | dkr | radulovity: netstat -nlp |
| 18:31.41 | Titan8990 | is rsyslog the default syslog daemon for debian or did i just end up with it some other way? |
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| 18:32.23 | jelly-home | Titan8990: it is. |
| 18:33.12 | EvilGenius | Is ksoftirqd uninstallable or what? how can fix this damn thing, please help! |
| 18:33.14 | Fare | I upgraded debian, and gnome apps no longer see the font preferences so everything is tiny |
| 18:33.26 | Fare | I'm running KDE and gnome-settings-daemon won't start |
| 18:33.31 | Titan8990 | it appears to have plenty of documentation... too bad its all just thrown together with very little organization |
| 18:34.02 | rares | EvilGenius: just kill the stupid thing |
| 18:34.25 | radulovity | int203: tnx :) |
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| 18:34.29 | EvilGenius | I can barely get a VNC screen, it takes minutes to load next frame. |
| 18:34.32 | radulovity | Just a qustion more :) |
| 18:34.46 | rares | get in by ssh then |
| 18:34.59 | EvilGenius | using ssh client won't work. i'll try from my vmware ubuntu. |
| 18:35.02 | Titan8990 | EvilGenius, if you are using xtightvncviewer, give it the -bgr option |
| 18:35.21 | rares | yeah just reduce your color space |
| 18:35.26 | radulovity | i have now on one old server sarge, and wish to uprade to leny. Do i need to make an upgrade first to etch? |
| 18:35.35 | radulovity | or i can directly upgrade to leny? |
| 18:35.37 | EvilGenius | ok, done that let it show up again.. |
| 18:36.13 | asg | radulovity: sarge -> etch -> lenny |
| 18:36.51 | rares | EvilGenius: I think you needs to try to find out why your machine is throwing so much irqage |
| 18:36.52 | TrueDD | Hi to all |
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| 18:37.05 | rares | it's a kernel component it seems |
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| 18:37.11 | EvilGenius | Its a QuadCore 2.83, with 4GB Ram. and 1Gbit link. |
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| 18:37.40 | Titan8990 | when you set up a syslog server and have a remote machine use that syslog server, does the remote machine's logs just get dumped into /var/log/messages with everything else? |
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| 18:38.01 | rares | that's a kernel thing find out what else is using the cpu so much |
| 18:38.15 | gullstein | I try to suspend to disk, but on boot kinit don't seam to start, why? |
| 18:38.34 | EvilGenius | the last htop i saw, RAM ~ 200MB & CPU Zero usage.. |
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| 18:38.54 | EvilGenius | SSH from ubuntu is negative |
| 18:38.55 | asg | Titan8990: yes though they are prepended with the machine name |
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| 18:39.16 | asg | Titan8990: newer syslogs can do a better jobs of splitting such things out. |
| 18:39.17 | Titan8990 | asg, thanks |
| 18:39.37 | rares | can you do sudo htop? |
| 18:40.09 | EvilGenius | VNC is logged into Root. it was root when i did. |
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| 18:40.27 | EvilGenius | Trying to get it to open again...(colors were already at lowest) |
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| 18:41.50 | rares | what are you running on that machine |
| 18:42.34 | EvilGenius | a Board with about a 300-500 users visiting daily. |
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| 18:42.52 | EvilGenius | daily up/down about 50-100GB |
| 18:43.14 | EvilGenius | ^ bandwidth |
| 18:43.15 | Titan8990 | asg, I can see in wireshark the syslog information getting sent to sever but it doesn't appear to be written to /var/log/messages |
| 18:43.40 | Titan8990 | asg, but also after each syslog packet my syslog server replies with a ICMP which return port unreachable |
| 18:43.50 | EvilGenius | 300-500 daily visit .. |
| 18:43.58 | asg | Titan8990: is your syslog server listening? |
| 18:44.04 | Titan8990 | asg, do you know if the syslog server needs to talk back to the syslog client in order to record the data? |
| 18:44.30 | Titan8990 | asg, 514/tcp open shell |
| 18:44.37 | Titan8990 | asg, appears to be |
| 18:45.01 | ghostman | germans on piratenpartei prever Hitler! They are lyining holocaust! fuck them! |
| 18:45.23 | EvilGenius | rares, shall i reboot the first chance i get? |
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| 18:45.44 | xororand | ghostman: did you forget to take your pills again? |
| 18:45.58 | ghostman | shice on you! |
| 18:46.03 | asg | Titan8990: it shouldn't need to talk back ... it is udp |
| 18:46.28 | asg | Titan8990: but if you are seeing ICMP port-unreachables, then it isn't listening or being firewalled in some way |
| 18:46.42 | EvilGenius | Port 22 being refused. |
| 18:47.10 | Titan8990 | asg, the port unreachables are from the server trying to ping the client |
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| 18:47.24 | Titan8990 | asg,but good call |
| 18:47.33 | rares | EvilGenius sounds like a good idea |
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| 18:47.42 | Titan8990 | asg, i had set the server to TCP mode but it looks like the client is sending UDP packets |
| 18:47.49 | asg | Titan8990: ah |
| 18:47.50 | rdz | what is the difference between 'uname -m' and 'dpkg --print-architecture'? one shows 'i386' and the other 'i686'. one shows 'amd64', the other 'x86_64'.... |
| 18:48.27 | asg | rdz: the former is the machine arch, the latter is the debian compiled arch |
| 18:48.45 | rdz | asg, i see. many thanks |
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| 18:51.59 | ghostman | Was? |
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| 18:52.02 | Piet | does this dependance mean that i can safely boot my amd duron box off a ...-686 kernel image? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 18:52.03 | xeon-enouf | rdz: one is kernelspace, the latter is userspace |
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| 18:52.17 | ghostman | ihr seid Scheisse! |
| 18:52.25 | Piet | s/dependance/dependancy/ |
| 18:52.30 | EvilGenius | ok, finally nailed the reboot command. |
| 18:52.38 | xeon-enouf | durons are k7 IIRC |
| 18:52.46 | EvilGenius | rares, will it start back up as soon as the system is back online/ |
| 18:53.18 | xeon-enouf | if it;s a k6-III also -686 might work, anything earlier won't,but you can use the -486 variant then |
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| 18:53.24 | Piet | xeon-enouf: k6 actually, yes, but this doesn't explain whether or not they will work with the -686 images |
| 18:53.27 | rares | it should work - do you have access to it? |
| 18:53.41 | EvilGenius | not yet. |
| 18:53.44 | Piet | xeon-enouf: _this_ does, thanks. |
| 18:53.56 | Piet | xeon-enouf: do you have a reference for this? |
| 18:53.58 | abrotman | Piet: IIRC the k6 are not actually 686 |
| 18:53.59 | silidan | hi i installed debian lenny 64 bit some days ago... but i still didnt manage to mound ntfs partitions (even as root, i can mount with mount command but i dont get acces...) |
| 18:54.13 | EvilGenius | loggin into ssh now |
| 18:54.21 | xeon-enouf | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/8774/power/k62vsk63.html |
| 18:54.25 | Piet | abrotman: so this dependancy is rather dangerous? |
| 18:55.02 | xeon-enouf | http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/chap3_0789734044/elementLinks/table3_2.html |
| 18:55.10 | gynter | any suggestions for checking 250gb sata (scsi emulated) drive for bad sectors and other failures? |
| 18:55.16 | gynter | can't get smartmontools working |
| 18:55.17 | rdz | xeon-enouf, this i don't understand. in what way does kernel- and userspace differ? |
| 18:55.41 | EvilGenius | damn, i think its back, SSH is very lagish. but i think its going to hold. |
| 18:55.42 | rdz | xeon-enouf, i mean: how can they be not the same? |
| 18:55.47 | gynter | it's usb drive |
| 18:55.54 | silidan | ok ... as root i also get acces... but how can i make the user get acces? |
| 18:56.00 | EvilGenius | will a killall -9 ksoftirqd be ok? |
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| 18:56.32 | asg | EvilGenius: you can't kill kernel processes |
| 18:56.43 | xeon-enouf | rdz: /msg dpkg k-uspace |
| 18:56.43 | EvilGenius | how can i make this bitch stop? |
| 18:57.06 | ghostman | Was wollt ihr, ich habe alles auf log, ihr deppen! ;) |
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| 18:57.44 | asg | EvilGenius: probably by finding out what is causing the irq storm that I expect is causing it to go bonkers. |
| 18:57.50 | EvilGenius | holy cow, theres a bunch of them. |
| 18:57.50 | Piet | xeon-enouf: thanks for the references. they are interesting, but i don't see how they state something like "debian -'686' kernel images will work with AMD K6-III. For AMD K6-II and lower, use the '-486' kernel images." |
| 18:57.56 | Piet | something liek thsi would be great |
| 18:58.01 | EvilGenius | ksoftirqd/0 , 1 , 2 , 3 |
| 18:58.17 | xeon-enouf | rdz: x86_64/amd64 kernels (64bit) can run on all i386 software (backwards compatibilty, due to x86_64 extensions - which AMD developed first!); but not vice versa |
| 18:58.22 | asg | EvilGenius: there will be one for every CPU core you have |
| 18:58.32 | EvilGenius | oh yea, 4... |
| 18:58.41 | rares | EvilGenius those are necessary |
| 18:58.51 | rares | find out what is ABUSING them |
| 18:58.56 | EvilGenius | so, any tips on where to being? |
| 18:59.17 | rdz | xeon-enouf, ok. thanks |
| 18:59.39 | EvilGenius | oh any chance it's a ddos causing it? |
| 18:59.49 | adb | rares, may i pm you ? |
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| 19:00.20 | rares | adb who are you? |
| 19:00.23 | gullstein | I try to suspend to disk, but on boot kinit don't seam to start, why? anyone have any idea? |
| 19:00.24 | elli222 | Hmm, i have a funny problem. sometimes, when X starts, i get small text, but if i restart X, then it returns to normal. any ideas? |
| 19:00.27 | asg | EvilGenius: possibly. Look at /proc/interrupts |
| 19:00.38 | EvilGenius | ok.waiting my next chance... |
| 19:01.11 | asg | EvilGenius: watch -n2 cat /proc/interrupts ... if something is rising hideously fast, that should give you a clue |
| 19:01.14 | xeon-enouf | EvilGenius: loook into MSI params/info |
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| 19:02.17 | EvilGenius | stuck on htop page, can't move out.. don't have any vnc since its not on auto.. umm neither have plesk installed which gives you a terminal. |
| 19:02.19 | silidan | Help, pls. I can mount ntfs as root but i can not use it as normal user... what can i do? (debian lenny 64bit ) |
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| 19:02.57 | adb | rares, nvm , thou you know romanian .. |
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| 19:03.20 | rares | i do somewhat |
| 19:03.25 | rares | kinda busy though |
| 19:03.56 | adb | ok other times maybe |
| 19:04.11 | Piet | xeon-enouf: it's actually roughly explained here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#kernel-packaging |
| 19:04.16 | Piet | thanks for your help! |
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| 19:05.18 | adb | rares, thou debian.ro was your .. |
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| 19:06.17 | xeon-enouf | google; 'linux MSI ksoftirqd Message Signaled Interrupts' |
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| 19:06.56 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, http://tinyurl.com/y9lq5ld |
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| 19:08.03 | xeon-enouf | Piet: they don't say explicitly waht i wrote , no, those are just some bookmarks i have |
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| 19:10.25 | Piet | xeon-enouf: yup, good bookmarks. |
| 19:10.28 | EvilGenius | damn, can't do it. SSH is closed , re opening a line is taking ages |
| 19:10.48 | EvilGenius | not even the other 2 ip's work. |
| 19:10.58 | Piet | but i'm really missing a nice matrix which maps CPU types to kernel images. |
| 19:11.09 | crescendo | When running update-initramfs and using an /etc/crypttab file, I get the following error: cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load for <my_device> -- what now? |
| 19:11.15 | silidan | brb |
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| 19:11.22 | Piet | ...and possibly another one which maps CPU types to OS architectures |
| 19:11.24 | Eioo | how long has it been? more than 20 years and linux graphics driver support is still the major drawback |
| 19:11.43 | Eioo | k.. overestimation.. almost 20 years |
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| 19:13.04 | abrotman | Eioo: perhaps you should blame companies that resfuse to release specs for their hardware? |
| 19:13.43 | Eioo | I wonder which is more unlikely to happen... windows going open source or linux obtaining full drivers database |
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| 19:14.22 | Eioo | abrotman: I am not blaming anyone I am only wondering why are the inevitables being delayed |
| 19:14.23 | abrotman | Eioo: why are you blaming linux at all? If hardware vendors would write drivers for linux and/or release hardware specs, it wouldn't be an issue |
| 19:14.34 | \amethyst | Eioo: there are cases where Linux has better driver support than Windows |
| 19:14.41 | \amethyst | Eioo: e.g. old hardware on 64-bit systems |
| 19:14.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: and yet I still have a pile of tulip cards that don't work in any current OS :) |
| 19:14.59 | \amethyst | Eioo: most of the Linux drivers were ported to support 64-bit, Windows drivers not so much |
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| 19:15.30 | Buck | hey guys, I'm having an annoying problem I can't seem to shake |
| 19:15.44 | Eioo | \amethyst: why you think I am in debian asking that question? I know you all have the most wide range of cpu ports... |
| 19:15.44 | Buck | I tried #perl and #httpd, but neither could help me, so I left the best for last :P |
| 19:15.57 | Eioo | \amethyst: my issues are with graphics cards though |
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| 19:16.21 | Buck | I'm trying to upload files via a perl script, which goes great, but when trying to upload big files, they always hang at 3MB exactly and stop uploading further. I have set up apache correctly and my perl CGI too - is there any other place this could happen at? |
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| 19:16.41 | xeon-enouf | Piet: better one http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.aspx?p=481859 (was reviewing for you) |
| 19:17.37 | EvilGenius | @Buck, not sure but did u try to restart apache (if you made changed to configs) |
| 19:18.03 | Piet | thanks xeon-enouf, pretty thorough |
| 19:18.05 | Buck | EvilGenius: thanks, but I certainly did |
| 19:18.22 | \amethyst | Eioo: recent ATI and nvidia cards usually require proprietary drivers for full support, and Debian is one of the less proprietary-friendly GNU/Linux distributions |
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| 19:21.22 | Buck | :o |
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| 19:22.03 | silidan | what can i do to get the ability to mount ntfs partitions with gnome filemanager (nautilus) ?? |
| 19:22.03 | \amethyst | Eioo: that said, they are provided in non-free, but in some cases you might have to build the driver against your kernel with module-assistant |
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| 19:22.04 | abrotman | and sometimes they still don't work with the newest hardware |
| 19:22.04 | crescendo | When running update-initramfs and using an /etc/crypttab file, I get the following error: cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to determine cipher modules to load for <my_device> -- what now? |
| 19:22.04 | \amethyst | Eioo: and the proprietary drivers stop supporting old devices at some point |
| 19:22.04 | AppDeb | \amethyst: why debian is not proprietary friendly? the non-free modules can't be easier to install |
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| 19:22.05 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 19:22.05 | silidan | what can i do to get the ability to mount ntfs partitions with gnome filemanager (nautilus) (debian lenny 64bit9 |
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| 19:22.05 | \amethyst | AppDeb: you need to explicitly enable non-free, which is not officially part of Debian |
| 19:22.05 | Eioo | \amethyst: but you do have my support that not using proprietory drivers is indeed the most ethical approach |
| 19:22.06 | abrotman | AppDeb: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 19:22.06 | dpkg | dfsg is, like, the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:22.06 | \amethyst | Eioo: with ATI cards, at least ones a few generations old, the free 'radeon' driver supposedly works pretty well (including 3D) |
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| 19:22.06 | AppDeb | \amethyst: so because you have to explicitly install software it is not friendly? |
| 19:22.06 | \amethyst | AppDeb: Because the fglrx drivers will never be an official part of Debian |
| 19:22.06 | Eioo | \amethyst: I am trying to understand the reasons why gfx corporations will not support open source of their drivers.. I mean they are selling hardware not software is not like you are competing or undercutting their market share.. |
| 19:22.07 | xeon-enouf | crescendo: what's cryptsetup status sdaX say? for cipher |
| 19:22.08 | AppDeb | Eioo: they reveal their secrets if they release open source drivers |
| 19:22.09 | \amethyst | Eioo: Some have suggested that some of those "secrets" are that they ripped off things from other companies |
| 19:22.09 | Eioo | AppDeb: secrets? such as? |
| 19:22.11 | Eioo | LOL |
| 19:22.14 | crescendo | xeon-enouf, it correctly reports the cipher |
| 19:22.27 | cahoot | Eioo: it might also be the case they don't 'own' all the source |
| 19:22.30 | Eioo | but everyone immitates... its the nature of the ape |
| 19:22.37 | AppDeb | Eioo: optimizations? they reveal also how the hardward works |
| 19:22.44 | AppDeb | hardware* |
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| 19:22.55 | acidtripper | someone using rhythmbox or banshee? |
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| 19:22.57 | Eioo | aren't you supposed to know how your hardware works? |
| 19:23.04 | AppDeb | Eioo: no? |
| 19:23.06 | \amethyst | Eioo: yeah, but opening the source means they make all that information that could get them sued public knowledge |
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| 19:23.12 | xeon-enouf | crescendo: so pastebin it ..along with your crypttab |
| 19:23.22 | \amethyst | Eioo: even if they would win the lawsuit in the end, even being sued can be expensive |
| 19:23.49 | Eioo | but they are delaying technological progress instead of reinbursting it |
| 19:24.25 | AppDeb | Eioo: this happens everywhere, not only to computer related stuff |
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| 19:24.38 | Eioo | It is inevitable, its no secret... that every secret eventually comes to light. Same with IT eventually all will become opensource |
| 19:24.40 | \amethyst | Eioo: their shareholders don't want technological progress, they want maximum profit |
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| 19:24.53 | \amethyst | Eioo: probably, yes |
| 19:25.08 | \amethyst | Eioo: ATI has opened up a lot, Intel has had open specs for a long time |
| 19:25.22 | silidan | ok last try: I installed Debian Lenny, but i cant see my other partitions under places... (nor can i mount ntfs partitions trough nautilus) help pls.... |
| 19:25.29 | Eioo | Eioo: so we need to use leverage by reducing their maximum profits? so they will care more for progress? |
| 19:25.45 | Eioo | hmmm |
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| 19:25.54 | AppDeb | \amethyst: Intel doesnt have competitive hardware, and ATI has not opened everything. |
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| 19:26.11 | Shearer | hi |
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| 19:26.17 | Shearer | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it allows me to configure only the keyboard, not the video card. I have nvidia card but there are not drivers for it. What i have to do to configure video card? |
| 19:26.25 | EvilGenius | Uh the guys who were helping me out still around? |
| 19:26.45 | Eioo | Shearer: you have to oppose gfx companies to reveal their source code of their drivers |
| 19:26.58 | xeon-enouf | silidan: cat /proc/partitions ; fdisk -l |
| 19:27.04 | leszek | hi , I have a problem with gksu and its su mode, sometimes it keeps hanging. Version: 2.0.0-8 , Debian Lenny, debug mode does not reveal any error |
| 19:27.16 | streuner | EvilGuru: did you already ask? If not, /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:27.16 | Eioo | \amethyst: is their any open source gfx company I could donate a few millions as a support to their cause? |
| 19:27.16 | xeon-enouf | silidan: stop with the GUI crap for now |
| 19:27.31 | streuner | EvilGenius: did you already ask? If not, /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:27.40 | EvilGenius | rares, asg , >> http://paste2.org/p/448806 |
| 19:27.41 | macrobat | silidan: install ntfs-3g and maybe if you want to do extra things, ntfsprogs |
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| 19:27.50 | xeon-enouf | and FUSE |
| 19:27.58 | Eioo | Is their any open source gfx company people should be pointed to purchase hardware from? |
| 19:28.04 | \amethyst | Eioo: opengraphics.org |
| 19:28.19 | AppDeb | Eioo: if you had the money you could pay any company to release everything open-source. If the money you give them are more than their profits :P |
| 19:28.22 | \amethyst | Eioo: it's not in a very advanced state |
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| 19:28.53 | Eioo | Appdeb: yea but I want an efficient gfx company |
| 19:28.57 | macrobat | silidan: i forgot FUSE :) |
| 19:28.58 | xeon-enouf | where;s that 1000$ PCI Card/ |
| 19:29.01 | xeon-enouf | ? |
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| 19:29.28 | AppDeb | Eioo: both nvidia and ati are considered pretty efficient |
| 19:29.31 | Eioo | too many bugs around lately... in every hardware |
| 19:29.53 | Eioo | Appdeb: yea but I don't like their policies so far, so might as well support a new one |
| 19:30.00 | EvilGenius | can somone tell me if there is something wrong with this /proc/interrupts .... http://paste2.org/p/448806 |
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| 19:30.04 | \amethyst | Eioo: ATI has released some specs, so you could give them money earmarked to help that along |
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| 19:30.24 | Eioo | Appdeb: you know what they say... it's not easy to quit bad habits |
| 19:30.30 | \amethyst | Eioo: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ is what they've released so far |
| 19:30.49 | Eioo | thx |
| 19:30.54 | silidan | macrobat: i already installed that all... still i can only mount as root, the problem is i can also onyl read it as root... how can i give acces to my user? |
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| 19:31.30 | Eioo | I'll go eat by beans now... if you could find me an open source gfx corporation friendly towards linux I'd be happy to shift resources in their maximum potential development. |
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| 19:31.37 | Eioo | we'll rechat in awhile |
| 19:31.56 | \amethyst | Eioo: and Intel has traditionally been good with specs, but don't make standalone cards... so you could partner with them to make standalones based on their chipsets. |
| 19:32.09 | xeon-enouf | silidan: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 19:32.14 | \amethyst | depending on just how many millions we're talking about |
| 19:32.34 | xeon-enouf | silidan: add your username to fuse* gruoupgs. logout / login |
| 19:32.39 | crescendo | xeon-enouf, I lied: Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.27 (2008-06-25)(compat) and kernel driver |
| 19:32.50 | xeon-enouf | ewww |
| 19:33.19 | AppDeb | Eioo: you don't have the source for many things, why do you insist? why don't you go complain to your car maker that doesnt release the specs of their engine |
| 19:33.48 | AppDeb | Eioo: most things are closed source, computer or not, get over with it |
| 19:33.50 | jelly-home | Eioo: Intel looks forware to your market-shifting $500M order |
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| 19:34.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: might want to up that dollar amount |
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| 19:34.36 | silidan | xeon-enouf: what does that /msg dpkg mean? what should i type into console exactly that? if so i get unknown command, what package do i neet for it (also i already am a member of fuse) |
| 19:35.23 | jelly-home | abrotman: I sometimes forget USD is worthless now :-| |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | i guess matrox used to care and have decent cards .. |
| 19:36.04 | silidan | how can i unmount drives by the way in lenny? (unmount is an unknown command to lenny) |
| 19:36.06 | abrotman | not anymore! yay! |
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| 19:36.13 | abrotman | silidan: umount |
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| 19:36.16 | \amethyst | Eioo: probably a better target for your donations would be developers who are reverse-engineering the proprietary drivers |
| 19:36.21 | \amethyst | Eioo: so x.org for example |
| 19:36.30 | silidan | omg they forgot the N ?? wtf... |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | no .. they did not |
| 19:37.12 | abrotman | maybe they should change umount to mount-- ? |
| 19:37.23 | silidan | i was kidding didnt remember there doesnt belong an n lol |
| 19:37.28 | EvilGenius | How can i ban a ip from server, so that it can never connect to anything. |
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| 19:37.40 | jelly-home | silidan: unix is full of idiosyncracies(sp?) like that |
| 19:37.54 | jelly-home | been umount since forever |
| 19:38.01 | silidan | or maybe they should mention that commadn in the mount manual... and put the important stuff atop and then follow with th details |
| 19:38.08 | abrotman | EvilGenius: iptables |
| 19:38.23 | jelly-home | silidan: it's all important. |
| 19:38.24 | EvilGenius | the ip is targetting port 25. |
| 19:38.34 | \amethyst | umount is spelled that way because syscalls, being extern symbols in the kernel, were limited to 6 characters of significance in their names |
| 19:38.39 | EvilGenius | i did it using iptables, and restart httpd but still there. so i think i missed something |
| 19:38.43 | hark | silidan: it's mentioned |
| 19:38.43 | silidan | jelly-home: but not all is important to newbies |
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| 19:38.50 | abrotman | EvilGenius: FWIW .. your smtp server may have that ability already .. but iptables will do it also |
| 19:38.52 | jelly-home | silidan: including the SEE ALSO |
| 19:39.09 | jelly-home | silidan: the manuals are not for newbies only |
| 19:39.28 | \amethyst | "creat" OTOH is unjustified, and is the one thing Ken Thompson said he would change if he had to do it all again |
| 19:39.55 | EvilGenius | ok, for a sec i thought fwiw is a commnad lol. |
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| 19:40.12 | silidan | jelly-home: i know but the newbie interested stuff should be atop and then follow the rest i mean the man for mount is so long if id read it trough ide be dead before the end... |
| 19:40.39 | xeon-enouf | silidan: then try the mplayer one |
| 19:40.41 | xeon-enouf | then find |
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| 19:41.09 | xeon-enouf | !kill silidan 3x over |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | rips silidan 3x over open with a rusty dagger |
| 19:41.39 | jelly-home | silidan: man pages aren't written for newbies, but as reference material, sorry |
| 19:41.42 | silidan | ok, back to my problem :).. |
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| 19:42.48 | silidan | so if i use mount how can i make it accesible to the user an not only to root which seems default? |
| 19:43.30 | jelly-home | silidan: read about ntfs' uid and gid and umask mount options |
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| 19:44.04 | hark | silidan: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 19:44.08 | silidan | is there some more readable way to read man pages than the man commadn in the shell? |
| 19:44.13 | jelly-home | eg, a line from my fstab used for mount an external ntfs device: |
| 19:44.17 | jelly-home | LABEL=ntfs-ext /media/ext ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=hr_HR.UTF-8 0 |
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| 19:44.30 | silidan | hark: when i tyope this into shell i get unknown command |
| 19:44.44 | Eioo | AppDeb: reverse engineering is an immitation full of bugs, its not worth it. we need innovation! |
| 19:44.47 | hark | silidan: it's an irc command. dpkg is a bot here |
| 19:44.56 | silidan | omg |
| 19:45.02 | jelly-home | Eioo: "we?" |
| 19:45.12 | silidan | and you got me again... now i remember i was told that before.... damnit |
| 19:45.15 | Eioo | we = techno lovers |
| 19:45.20 | jelly-home | Eioo: who'll pay for that innovation? |
| 19:45.42 | Eioo | jelly-home: ru interested in solving the issue or prolonging it? |
| 19:45.52 | hark | silidan: you'd probably want rw access, so use ntfs-3g. /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 19:46.07 | jelly-home | Eioo: I'm interested in goading a free software fanboy |
| 19:46.25 | jelly-home | there is no issue. The market forces work. |
| 19:46.43 | Eioo | there are big issues. |
| 19:47.16 | jelly-home | Eioo: in any case, this is not a support issue, so I'm stopping now. |
| 19:47.41 | Eioo | ok. |
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| 19:48.24 | crescendo | How can I get /etc/crypttab to load files on a specific /dev/mapper address? |
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| 19:48.45 | silidan | well at least i think ive been pointed in the right direction ... |
| 19:48.58 | Eioo | but... who am I supposed to talk to? if not to the community of the o/s ethics and ideas I support the most? |
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| 19:49.41 | Eioo | I like windows.. it gets me by.. BUT the whole ethics and ideas behind it are contradictory to mine |
| 19:49.52 | valdyn | Eioo: we all agree with you, just dont be a zealot |
| 19:49.52 | jelly-home | Eioo: right people, wrong place; try #debian-offtopic for nonsupport |
| 19:50.17 | Eioo | valdyn: I like protoss or humans... never done zerg in starcraft |
| 19:50.37 | becks` | hi, netcat makes packets with a size of 1024 bytes when sending udp, somebody knows how to increase that? |
| 19:50.52 | silidan | Eioo: i dont like windows... (i tought i like it once, but then i tryed out linux for longer, to overcome the initial frustration, and tough im not completly trough it i already hate windows when i have to use it... it has become so uncomfortable.... |
| 19:51.07 | jelly-home | becks`: up to 1500!! |
| 19:51.13 | Eioo | silidan: same. |
| 19:51.22 | becks` | jelly-home, how? :) |
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| 19:51.29 | Eioo | silidan: it feels like I am FORCED TO use it. |
| 19:51.33 | int203 | having trouble getting udev to correctly name my 5 network interfaces.. seems the first 4 are named before the 5th module is loaded.. would it make sense to rearrange boot scripts or is this a udev misconfiguration? |
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| 19:51.47 | silidan | Eidoo: exactly... |
| 19:52.02 | jelly-home | becks`: no idea, probably using the source |
| 19:52.04 | silidan | Eioo: exactly... :) |
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| 19:52.41 | silidan | is there a way to use search commands in man pages? |
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| 19:52.55 | jelly-home | silidan: your pager usually has a / command |
| 19:53.31 | ciderpunx | waves |
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| 19:55.31 | silidan | jelly-home yes it has, but how an i use it more efficienlty, it sucks to type it everytime i want to move to the next same word... |
| 19:56.02 | jelly-home | n |
| 19:56.13 | silidan | k |
| 19:56.13 | jelly-home | also, ? for help |
| 19:56.30 | jelly-home | (I'm assuming it's less) |
| 19:56.48 | xeon-enouf | crescendo: /etc/crypttab is a conffile, so mount your /dev/mapper/dev to /mnt/whatever, and specify /mnt/whatever in crypttab |
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| 19:58.11 | hark | it's h for less |
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| 20:03.17 | Fare | hum. I upgraded debian, and now it kills the X server after some much time of inactivity |
| 20:03.23 | Fare | how do I prevent the killing? |
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| 20:04.29 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: and jetscreamer remember we were talking about .xsession, .xinitrc and such? http://xrunhprof.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/lenny-in-virtualbox-ram-26mb-boot-time-17s/ ( fwiw - simonrvn, note the use of the '&' there, not that it matters, just a thought) |
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| 20:05.17 | xeon-enouf | Fare: try GDM, and it;s SESSIONTIME= settings or something - maybe in /usr/share/gdm/* somewhere |
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| 20:05.39 | xeon-enouf | Fare: check logs and see what |
| 20:05.47 | xeon-enouf | 's happening |
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| 20:07.00 | xeon-enouf | int203: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 20:07.28 | jelly-home | liked it better when it was z25 |
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| 20:07.42 | xeon-enouf | int203: ifplugd might also help? stop mixing network-mangler and /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:08.07 | Fare | nothing obvious in the logs |
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| 20:08.49 | xeon-enouf | hark: huh? it's n for less |
| 20:08.59 | Fare | wonders if the screen saver is somehow killing X because of by GL from nvidia or some such |
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| 20:09.16 | xeon-enouf | kill any/all screensavers and see |
| 20:09.25 | int203 | xeon: i havent touched either. looking into ifplugd.. used to doing this on centos via /etc/sysconfig/ |
| 20:09.46 | xeon-enouf | int203: you don;t know if you're using DHCP or not/ |
| 20:09.47 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 20:10.01 | int203 | xeon: dhcp for the time being but that isnt the issue |
| 20:10.12 | xeon-enouf | who;s xeon? |
| 20:10.12 | hark | xeon-enouf: for help |
| 20:10.20 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. heh hark |
| 20:10.39 | xeon-enouf | oh oh ..yep i see now, sorry |
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| 20:10.54 | xeon-enouf | ? goes reverse search jelly-home |
| 20:10.58 | xeon-enouf | in less |
| 20:11.00 | hark | np xeo |
| 20:11.02 | jelly-home | h then |
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| 20:11.49 | xeon-enouf | no worries harharhardeeharhar :-P |
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| 20:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I just read that as "kill any/all screwdrivers and see" |
| 20:12.15 | int203 | my issue is modules are loaded for 4 of the 5 interfaces, udev does its thing. then the 5th module comes up later, udev renames eth4 to eth3 for some reason |
| 20:12.37 | xeon-enouf | are any of the modules listed in /etc/modules? |
| 20:12.41 | xeon-enouf | and in the initrd? |
| 20:12.59 | xeon-enouf | a/and in/any in/ |
| 20:13.00 | jelly-home | !blame udev |
| 20:13.00 | dpkg | blames neoice and udev for all the evil in the world |
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| 20:13.16 | xeon-enouf | s/a/s/ :-P |
| 20:13.16 | int203 | nope... |
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| 20:13.28 | int203 | fresh lenny install too. weirdness |
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| 20:13.32 | xeon-enouf | so list them there in the order you want |
| 20:13.50 | xeon-enouf | int203: and forcedeth chips? |
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| 20:13.54 | xeon-enouf | gah |
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| 20:13.59 | xeon-enouf | s/and/any/ |
| 20:14.30 | int203 | nope |
| 20:14.53 | xeon-enouf | are they all plain old PCI? |
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| 20:15.28 | int203 | one PCI E dual-port, one integrated dual port and one PCI single port... :) |
| 20:15.46 | Fare | don't you love it when plugging in a USB keyboard kills your machine? |
| 20:16.08 | xeon-enouf | Fare: stop shorting the connection? |
| 20:16.34 | Fare | xeon-enouf, uh? |
| 20:16.38 | xeon-enouf | int203: now, tie ifaces to that info for us |
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| 20:17.02 | Fare | most of the time, this keyboard works just fine. |
| 20:17.14 | Fare | sometimes, when I plug it into THAT machine, it kills the machine |
| 20:17.18 | xeon-enouf | right, well, stop grounding the live :-p |
| 20:17.30 | Fare | how do I stop that? |
| 20:17.42 | xeon-enouf | or check the internal connection from usb port to mobo riser/header |
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| 20:18.09 | xeon-enouf | PCs are cheap shit man |
| 20:18.39 | xeon-enouf | not meant to take much abuse/use - espeically ATX ioport conns |
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| 20:19.11 | jelly-home | Fare: keep a separate keyboard for that machine always plugged in? |
| 20:19.20 | CharminTheMoose | hey xeon-enouf |
| 20:19.35 | xeon-enouf | aloha m000Shi3 |
| 20:19.37 | Fare | jelly, it's a laptop. That's the fancy keyboard I plug into it when I'm at the office. |
| 20:19.44 | Fare | helps a lot with RSI |
| 20:20.26 | jelly-home | Fare: um, a docking station? USB instead? Hibernate the machine first? |
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| 20:20.45 | Fare | hibernating first works. |
| 20:20.57 | jelly-home | problem solved. Next! |
| 20:21.01 | Fare | docking station won't. |
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| 20:21.32 | Fare | that's a workaround, not a solution, thou |
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| 20:21.59 | EvilGuru | With a fresh Squeeze system with KDE 4.3 and most items in the launch menu are duplicated. The icons for the duplicates are different. I believe the 'Debian' menu/folder is the root cause |
| 20:22.01 | xeon-enouf | use ps/2! |
| 20:22.25 | xeon-enouf | and stick a ps2/usb adapter in it! |
| 20:22.43 | EvilGuru | Get a ThinkPad :P |
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| 20:23.45 | xeon-enouf | an IBM one .. not lenovo :-p |
| 20:24.08 | EvilGuru | Can't be giving money to the PRC now can we ;) |
| 20:24.58 | jelly-home | YES WE CAN |
| 20:25.17 | xeon-enouf | shop MalWart! |
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| 20:25.50 | EvilGuru | xeon-enouf: Sounds like the name of genital-wart removal cream |
| 20:26.39 | lordlicorice | I have an IBM thinkpad. built like a tank |
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| 20:27.05 | lordlicorice | heating issues and it idles around 90C, moderate load 100C |
| 20:27.11 | lordlicorice | it just won't die |
| 20:28.08 | p8m | The IBM thinkpads were made by lenovo too |
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| 20:28.46 | EvilGuru | recently got himself a Lenovo W500 |
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| 20:28.51 | fas3r | hello |
| 20:29.13 | lordlicorice | even before they were bought out? |
| 20:29.23 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 20:29.44 | EvilGuru | lordlicorice: There are very few ODMs for laptops |
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| 20:30.12 | EvilGuru | Basically anything you buy will be from one of 4-5 companies |
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| 20:30.38 | lordlicorice | is it just manufacturing or do the ODMs design too? |
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| 20:31.03 | xeon-enouf | lenovo didn't build mine |
| 20:31.13 | p8m | xeon-enouf: who built it then? |
| 20:31.19 | EvilGuru | That depends, I believe Apple and Lenovo and probably Dell do their own designs |
| 20:31.35 | lordlicorice | I'm pretty sure IBM designed their thinkpads.. |
| 20:31.35 | uc50ic4more | the modern audio recording industry works the same way in the lower range of equipment: most everything is made to (varying, dependent on manufacturer) spec from one of a handful of Chinese companies |
| 20:31.36 | EvilGuru | p8m: The manufacturing company that lenovo has a stake in :P |
| 20:31.56 | uc50ic4more | it has gotten to the point where the "brands" are simply marketing corporations |
| 20:32.08 | EvilGuru | Same is true with SSDs, most of the brand name ones are Samsung MLC nightmares |
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| 20:32.30 | EvilGuru | Corsair, OCZ and probably a few others are all Samsung drives just rebranded |
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| 20:33.06 | lordlicorice | they might have different quality control standards though |
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| 20:33.49 | tzanger | good afternoon; has anyone noticed that the kde notification system in 5.0.3 doesn't seem to be able to execute programs? sounds, popups etc work but none of the "run a command" ones work... is there a package I'm missing or something really obvious I can't see? |
| 20:34.00 | Qtronix | Hello all. |
| 20:34.00 | Qtronix | I want to fetch the kernel-source and headers for my current running debian (lenny/stable 2.6.26-2-686) distro for patching. |
| 20:34.03 | Qtronix | How would I go about doing this? |
| 20:34.06 | EvilGuru | If you can find two models from different companies with the same case design then it is probably from an ODM |
| 20:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess there is no trick to resize a TCL window that is not resizeable by default, is there? |
| 20:34.16 | _KaszpiR_ | google debian kernel ? |
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| 20:35.53 | Qtronix | Ehm, I've read the Debian documentation, but it has described the /usr/src/linux symlink, which does not exist. Only a bunch of other directories. |
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| 20:36.24 | uskl | hi; I have an issue with apt. Every time I run apt-get, no matter what I try to do, I get "E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it."; is there a way to tell apt to just forget about that package and/or to remove it? thanks |
| 20:36.28 | lordlicorice | there's a kernel-source package and also kernel-headers |
| 20:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Qtronix, something like... aptitude install linux-source-2.6.30 linux-headers-2.6.30 ? |
| 20:36.43 | Qtronix | i have linux-source-2.6-blablabla, kernel-kbuild blablabla, but which do i symlink? |
| 20:37.02 | xeon-enouf | one could kill with this thing! it;s a weapon! http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:I1200 |
| 20:37.17 | Qtronix | i've installed them allready, but I guess i have to create the symlink myself |
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| 20:37.25 | xeon-enouf | p8m: assembled? some asian people |
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| 20:37.37 | Qtronix | dunno if this is supposed to be done when installing the kernel-source tho |
| 20:38.01 | lordlicorice | run apt-file list to see where the files are going? |
| 20:38.03 | Qtronix | that's why i'm asking here, to see if I've maybe missed something :p |
| 20:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Qtronix, also aptitude install kernel-package |
| 20:39.09 | xeon-enouf | Qtronix: move everythingh inot your ~ and compile there |
| 20:39.35 | xeon-enouf | then run make-kpkg and install the resultant ,deb |
| 20:39.41 | p8m | IBM thinkpads were the best. I think they saw the writing on the wall though. They didn't want to try and make money from $500 machines |
| 20:39.43 | xeon-enouf | using dpkg -i |
| 20:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Qtronix, read through "man make-kpkg" |
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| 20:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, why do you think you need to compile a kernel? |
| 20:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's mttiw |
| 20:40.33 | xeon-enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package :-) |
| 20:40.39 | lordlicorice | he said he wants to write a patch |
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| 20:41.16 | xeon-enouf | lordlicorice: dpkg -L ..no need for apt-file |
| 20:42.03 | xeon-enouf | i mean, i guess you could use it that way, but i'd rather use dlocate then (an indexed DB) |
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| 20:43.30 | FenrirReturns | I'm having trouble with certain things drawing correctly in screen using aterm, debconf stuff for example. I believe this is because my TERM is showing up as screen.rxvt and not just screen, how do I change this? |
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| 20:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "TERM=screen"? |
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| 20:45.50 | macrobat | Qtronix: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
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| 20:46.24 | xeon-enouf | you got 3 different VT emulators going there - heh |
| 20:46.49 | xeon-enouf | i set my TERM=linux and it still ain't right - even after 3 reboots!@ :-p |
| 20:47.12 | xeon-enouf | oh wait - ever since i did this ! it's better ;-) |
| 20:47.31 | xeon-enouf | !c-k-d must die |
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| 20:48.06 | Qtronix_ | thanks anyway ;) |
| 20:48.09 | Qtronix_ | idles now |
| 20:48.32 | xeon-enouf | !consolekit must die |
| 20:48.32 | xeon-enouf | !dpkg!! |
| 20:48.33 | xeon-enouf | !ping |
| 20:48.33 | xeon-enouf | ruh roh |
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| 20:48.33 | dpkg | Yes, xeon-enouf, you are online. |
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| 20:49.32 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: you bitch |
| 20:49.32 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 20:49.50 | xeon-enouf | oh .. so you ARE alive :-P |
| 20:49.57 | xeon-enouf | !consolekit must die |
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| 20:51.44 | xeon-enouf | !consolekit must die |
| 20:51.45 | dpkg | hmm... consolekit must die is rm /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit (or mv them out of the way) ; edit /etc/rc.local to contain a line "sudo pkill console-*" ; mv /etc/rc2.d/S02rc.local /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local ; reboot . Ask me about <sudo> and <sudoers>. This works for me on Openbox with no DE nor any DM, not sure if KDE/GNOME/Xfce4 will like this |
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| 20:55.44 | silidan | ok want to run this to install deban sid on another partition http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap but im not sure what the mount proc adn fsys thingy actually do... can someone explain alittle? ca i savley use it or will it affect my current running system (deban lenny) ? |
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| 20:56.42 | crescendo | What is the current method for generating an initramfs image for a LUKS-encrypted root partition? |
| 20:56.46 | objorn | how can i tell what is downloading on my computer? it's slowing it down to where it is unusable, i know it's something being downloaded because some monitor program is telling me this |
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| 20:57.19 | objorn | would wireshark work? |
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| 20:57.45 | silidan | objorn: i never experienced downloading something with linux actually slowin down the system.... |
| 20:58.05 | xeon-enouf | iftop ; netstat -tunap ; find the PID |
| 20:58.25 | Arrowmaster | you could install iftop |
| 20:58.57 | objorn | netstat -tunap |
| 20:59.53 | objorn | iftop is nice |
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| 21:00.06 | objorn | now how do i display the pid? |
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| 21:02.20 | nrn | lsof -i -U is other way to chek it |
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| 21:04.57 | xeon-enouf | match the IP/host with netstat -tuap or -tunap |
| 21:05.38 | xeon-enouf | not sure if iftop can/will display PID, i don't see why not though |
| 21:06.20 | xeon-enouf | or lsof -i :<port-number> |
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| 21:07.30 | xeon-enouf | just kill the misbehaving app :-) i bet it's your browser, likley iceweasel |
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| 21:16.00 | MytE | hey i have multiple ip's bound to an interface and i'd like to be able to ssh to each of these ip's and have that ip show as my external ip. i have sshd listening to each address too with a diff port for each address .. but it always shows my ip as being the first one on the interface |
| 21:16.08 | MytE | any ideas how i can make that change ? |
| 21:16.45 | MytE | there are NOT internal ip's |
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| 21:16.50 | MytE | so they are accessible from outside |
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| 21:18.19 | Fare | hum. When aptitude install, it insists on trying to install kde-full, xfce4 and other crap -- how can I convince it not to? |
| 21:18.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Fare: what are you trying to install? |
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| 21:21.14 | Tramp | MytE: you can (1) tell a client which IP to use, provided the client supports it (2) Google "bindhack" for a tricky hack about forcing an IP (3) set up policy-routing. However - the IP you ssh into has nothing to do with the outgoing connections |
| 21:21.44 | jimi_hendrix | what package will magically remove every kde thing on my desktop |
| 21:22.04 | Tramp | !remove kde |
| 21:22.05 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). |
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| 21:25.02 | jimi_hendrix | and then the package for gnome is |
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| 21:34.52 | Fare | hum. The vga=874 at the kernel boot doesn't work with debian's 2.6.30 |
| 21:34.53 | xeon-enouf | linkmaster03: not sure entirely, maybe just root, kernel, initrd lines |
| 21:34.53 | Fare | do I need do something different to get the fb console? |
| 21:34.53 | xeon-enouf | ask in #grub on freenode.net |
| 21:34.53 | linkmaster03 | ok |
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| 21:35.03 | xeon-enouf | Fare: use gfxterm=1280x768x16 or whatevcer |
| 21:36.08 | xeon-enouf | but in grub.cfg IIRC |
| 21:36.14 | xeon-enouf | you too ask there |
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| 21:37.00 | lvh | Hello! |
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| 21:37.10 | Fare | thanks |
| 21:37.22 | lvh | I've just reinstalled my debian box and am now running testing. I'm having issues with my wifi (iwlagn, 5300) |
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| 21:37.44 | lvh | I know the card is not defective, because it worked fine before the reinstall, and it still works fine, but only on unencrypted networks. |
| 21:38.02 | jimi_hendrix | hmm ok, empathy (package) wont install so i cant seem to get gnome, what do i do |
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| 21:38.17 | BackLash|TheFly | squeezes his lenny |
| 21:38.20 | BackLash|TheFly | :o |
| 21:38.35 | lvh | I get these messages: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142577/ |
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| 21:39.38 | lvh | According to iwconfig, the card appears to associate, but only at 1Mbps (impossible, I'm looking at the thing -- it's <5 meters line of sight...), and I don't get any data across (don't even get a dhcp lease) |
| 21:40.41 | lvh | When googling, I've only found excessively old (oct/nov 2008) problems, very few things recent. |
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| 21:41.49 | BackLash|TheFly | oh man this is gonna take a bit |
| 21:41.50 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 21:41.56 | pickcoder | how do you specify the device location for an LVM volume for Nagios? I keep getting Unable to read output from the plugin. |
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| 21:42.50 | jimi_hendrix | so any ideas how to fix a broken empathy package |
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| 21:43.54 | crescendo | What is the current method for generating an initramfs image for a LUKS-encrypted root partition? |
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| 21:45.39 | pickcoder | hrm I think I know what's going on |
| 21:45.41 | BackLash|TheFly | jimi_hendrix uninstall reinstall it? |
| 21:46.31 | aguynamedben | anybody having trouble with the default lenny repositories today? |
| 21:46.39 | aguynamedben | fresh install, can't install apache2 |
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| 21:46.44 | aguynamedben | ends up as pi |
| 21:46.46 | BackLash|TheFly | nope i just changed all my repos to testing |
| 21:46.48 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 21:47.07 | BackLash|TheFly | "squeezing the lenny" |
| 21:47.18 | aguynamedben | E: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-modules_5.10.0-19_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 21:47.38 | aguynamedben | so are there known issues today, though? |
| 21:47.51 | BackLash|TheFly | i dunno i just got tired of year old packages |
| 21:47.59 | BackLash|TheFly | tbh |
| 21:48.53 | jimi_hendrix | BackLash|TheFly, :( |
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| 21:49.25 | BackLash|TheFly | if this is a desktop 'puter most people tend to run testing from what i hear |
| 21:50.07 | BackLash|TheFly | server mostly stable and those crazy guys on sid lol |
| 21:50.39 | aguynamedben | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 21:50.41 | dpkg | aguynamedben: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:50.42 | aguynamedben | so hosed, haha |
| 21:51.03 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 21:51.04 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 21:51.07 | aguynamedben | somehow my ldconfig just went away, suspicious of rackspace cloud |
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| 21:51.14 | BackLash|TheFly | YES i love that one |
| 21:51.24 | Fare | kdm won't log me in anymore -- complains about dbus and ConsoleKit. gdm works. Sigh. |
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| 21:51.47 | ciderpunx | waves |
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| 21:53.04 | Out_Cold | why is wicd not in the repos? |
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| 21:54.15 | dutchfish | Out_Cold, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wicd |
| 21:54.34 | Out_Cold | ty |
| 21:55.23 | adb | judd, versions wicd |
| 21:55.24 | judd | adb: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.5.9-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.2.2-1 squeeze: 1.6.2.2-1 |
| 21:55.39 | Fare | ouch, new ear-candy akonadi (a french name, I'm sure) - gotta disable that. |
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| 21:56.07 | Out_Cold | i guess i need to enable backports for the source |
| 21:56.07 | flavioribeiro | hi, im having an issue with hald and embedded debian, it could not wake up: http://pastebin.com/m31dec90b |
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| 21:58.49 | dutchfish | flavioribeiro, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git;a=commit;h=f2ea68cf42aafdd93393b6b8b20fc3c2b5f4390c |
| 21:59.12 | arcsky | when i start my pc those always starts rpc.statd, portmap and exim4 how can i do so they dont start? |
| 21:59.23 | sthon | I have a 32bit Debian Lenny server that has 16gb of memory but Debian only recognizes 2gb , running lshw shows all 16gb but says it's unclaimed... *-memory:1 UNCLAIMED *-bank UNCLAIMED |
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| 22:00.13 | adb | sthon, which kernel ? |
| 22:00.17 | dutchfish | arcsky, either remove or disable it |
| 22:00.35 | sthon | adb: Linux nfs2 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP |
| 22:00.48 | sepult`` | arcsky: either install sysvconfig and look in the manual how to |
| 22:00.48 | sepult`` | disable those or remove the lnks in rc.d/0 ... etch manually |
| 22:01.02 | Fare | gah, debian configures some ugly console font at startup. Gotta find it and kill it... |
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| 22:01.23 | arcsky | if i do chmod -x /etc/ini.t/exim4 its ugly red colors when i boot, dont like it |
| 22:01.29 | adb | sthon, try -bigmem |
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| 22:02.26 | Fare | I don't see anything in /etc/console-tools/ |
| 22:02.33 | Fare | where is the bastard font hiding? |
| 22:02.33 | sepult`` | why is apt-build not letting me use source-only cd's ....gah |
| 22:03.13 | sepult`` | i hope reprepro is better on that |
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| 22:04.50 | arcsky | sysvconfig nice will this saves until next reboot? |
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| 22:05.54 | sepult`` | arcsky: if you save the config yes |
| 22:06.07 | sepult`` | arcsky: but better testing it before |
| 22:06.08 | arcsky | nice |
| 22:06.12 | arcsky | thanks |
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| 22:06.23 | arcsky | how can i test it? |
| 22:06.27 | sepult`` | arcsky: if something goes wrong, then you know what not to do |
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| 22:07.11 | sepult`` | arcsky: apt-get install sysvconfig, then on the console |
| 22:07.12 | sepult`` | sysvconfig, then choose the enable/disable menu |
| 22:07.58 | int203 | anyone have any idea why udev would automatically shift the last two of four network interfaces down two spots automatically without any rules telling it do so? ie, eth2 -> eth1, eth3 -> eth2... fresh lenny install |
| 22:08.11 | int203 | shift=rename |
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| 22:10.59 | lvh | sorry, been messing with my wifi some more. Did anyone reply? |
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| 22:12.20 | Out_Cold | what's the kde equiv of gksu? |
| 22:12.29 | BackLash|TheFly | woah weird stuff is changing in front of me |
| 22:12.30 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 22:13.48 | lordlicorice | try sux or kdesu |
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| 22:15.10 | Out_Cold | sux lol |
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| 22:17.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:29.04 | BackLash|TheFly | lol synaptics comitted suicide |
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| 22:41.02 | xyan | anyone on sid amd64 could grep the kernel config for SYSFS_DEPRECATED please? |
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| 22:43.08 | klaus | hi, kann somebody help me with this problem? -> http://www.laura-ich-hasse-dich.net/?uid=6399 |
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| 22:49.34 | ciderpunx | xyan, xyan: |
| 22:49.37 | ciderpunx | grep SYSFS_DEPRECATED /boot/config-2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 22:49.37 | ciderpunx | # CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set |
| 22:49.45 | xyan | great! |
| 22:49.51 | ciderpunx | ;-) |
| 22:50.05 | xyan | well udev 146-3 obviously needs it |
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| 22:55.35 | Theoden | is listening to Piano Trio No. 4 in A minor, Op. 289 - IV. Rondo- Allegro capriccioso e vivace by Carl Czerny - Gobel-Trio Berlin |
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| 22:57.16 | dsadssd | tajes |
| 22:57.23 | themill | Theoden: sounds nice, but please turn that off in here. |
| 22:57.47 | Theoden | themill: It was an accident - sorry. :) |
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| 22:58.09 | km | i just installed ldirectord, any ideas where i can find info how to setup it up? |
| 22:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Theoden: no worries; just don't do it again. ;-) |
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| 23:03.38 | flypp | hi soy_el_dip |
| 23:04.04 | soy_el_dip | hi flypp |
| 23:04.37 | soy_el_dip | beatyful nigth today |
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| 23:05.14 | flypp | now you're here, it is |
| 23:05.15 | flypp | my love |
| 23:05.17 | flypp | lol |
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| 23:13.21 | BackLash|TheFly | hmm anyone here running sid? |
| 23:13.36 | flypp | me, in a virtual-machine |
| 23:13.45 | BackLash|TheFly | how is it |
| 23:13.55 | flypp | just a bit unstable |
| 23:14.03 | flypp | GNOME or KDE? |
| 23:14.18 | BackLash|TheFly | hmmm well i hate both i usually use xfce |
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| 23:15.39 | flypp | ok, I didn't test it in Squeeze |
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| 23:17.10 | BackLash|TheFly | hmm im trying to decide if i wanna go squeeze or sid for my desktop |
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| 23:17.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 23:17.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 23:17.48 | flypp | yes Sid |
| 23:17.49 | jpinx-eeepc | BackLash|TheFly: ^^ |
| 23:18.25 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 23:18.38 | BackLash|TheFly | well im not the least capable user around |
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| 23:18.47 | flypp | neither am I |
| 23:18.50 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to use a background image in the framebuffer? |
| 23:19.01 | BackLash|TheFly | yes unfortunately |
| 23:19.02 | BackLash|TheFly | .. |
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| 23:21.29 | BackLash|TheFly | so i mean .... unstable means everythings borked? cuz i want SOME stability but i want the newest stuff im gonna be attempting to try and attempt to maybe have a chance at possibly maybe gaming on linux |
| 23:21.42 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 23:21.49 | themill | BackLash|TheFly: just install lenny then |
| 23:22.09 | flypp | try and Lenny/Squeeze/Sid throught pinning |
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| 23:22.22 | themill | err no. |
| 23:22.35 | BackLash|TheFly | well right now im lenny/squeeze |
| 23:22.35 | flypp | no? |
| 23:22.51 | themill | !pinning |
| 23:22.51 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 23:23.26 | themill | flypp: pinning is almost always a bad idea. It's a great way of breaking your system, especially in the way you're describing it. |
| 23:23.43 | BackLash|TheFly | worked pretty well for this system... |
| 23:24.02 | flypp | he wants stability+newer version |
| 23:24.16 | flypp | he should be carefull, of course |
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| 23:24.30 | flypp | but is posible to do with pinning |
| 23:24.41 | themill | it won't end well... |
| 23:24.47 | BackLash|TheFly | oh pft i can reinstall and have everythign back to normal in 3 hours time tops |
| 23:25.22 | dondelelcaro | if you need new versions of specific things, use backports |
| 23:25.39 | flypp | themill, surely. I'm in stable after several tries dealing pinning |
| 23:26.17 | BackLash|TheFly | ehhhhhhhhh im going squeeze :P |
| 23:26.46 | flypp | BackLash|TheFly, how about VirtualBox? |
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| 23:27.26 | BackLash|TheFly | ehhh |
| 23:27.34 | BackLash|TheFly | i dont like emus |
| 23:28.14 | BackLash|TheFly | i think ill be testing sid in one but all while sitting on squeeze |
| 23:28.32 | BackLash|TheFly | if i find packages that work well ill integrate them' |
| 23:29.37 | BackLash|TheFly | i woudl go sid but as unstable as everyone claims it is (and it might very well be) i dont know if i wanna deal with things breaking EVERYWHERe |
| 23:29.38 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 23:30.49 | jimi_hendrix | whats the dpkg thingie to force install i386 on x86_84 |
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| 23:31.14 | BackLash|TheFly | ... you can install i386 o x64 arch.. |
| 23:31.45 | BackLash|TheFly | i dunno about x86_84 tho... |
| 23:31.46 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 23:32.01 | jimi_hendrix | xD |
| 23:32.13 | jimi_hendrix | package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 23:32.25 | destrudo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.36 | jimi_hendrix | no |
| 23:32.37 | BackLash|TheFly | goog dpkg i386 x64 |
| 23:32.55 | BackLash|TheFly | i bet your answer will be one of the top 5 |
| 23:32.56 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
| 23:32.57 | destrudo_ | Well it was a good guess. |
| 23:33.17 | themill | !wayttd jimi_hendrix |
| 23:33.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jimi_hendrix? |
| 23:33.35 | vchrizz | hi, im looking for file libssl.so.0.9.8 so had a look on packages.debian.org and tryed to install ia32-libs what arent available, but amd64-libs is there and so i installed it, but still no libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 23:34.38 | themill | vchrizz: should be in the libssl0.9.8 package. |
| 23:34.56 | jimi_hendrix | nvm, figured it out |
| 23:35.09 | BackLash|TheFly | oo oo oo did you use my google string? |
| 23:35.13 | BackLash|TheFly | im so good at those |
| 23:35.15 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
| 23:36.40 | BackLash|TheFly | has drank 9 cans of soda today 3 of them redbull |
| 23:37.00 | fnordper1ect | hello. say, what's the quickest way to find(1) empty directories? |
| 23:37.14 | BackLash|TheFly | fnord, mkdir ./new |
| 23:37.17 | BackLash|TheFly | ls |
| 23:37.22 | BackLash|TheFly | you found an empty dir |
| 23:37.38 | BackLash|TheFly | couldnt help himself |
| 23:38.08 | catsup | fnordper1ect: -links 2 -type d |
| 23:38.54 | fnordper1ect | catsup: the links being . and ..? that's pretty clever, thanks! |
| 23:38.59 | BackLash|TheFly | is downloading at 4.5mbps |
| 23:40.22 | catsup | um no :/ |
| 23:40.27 | themill | "find -type d -empty" would be easier |
| 23:40.33 | catsup | -links 2 doesn't work anyway |
| 23:40.34 | jimi_hendrix | BackLash|TheFly, ya |
| 23:40.41 | catsup | bc link count only goes up for subdirs |
| 23:40.53 | fnordper1ect | yes, I just noticed.. |
| 23:41.25 | fnordper1ect | -type d -empty doesn't work either |
| 23:41.42 | fnordper1ect | sorry, it does |
| 23:42.38 | fnordper1ect | thanks, themill |
| 23:43.01 | themill | np |
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| 23:50.08 | justntime | Is there a way to use a block of memory as a mountable drive? I can't seem to find the program for doing this |
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| 23:58.53 | fnordperfect | justntime: no need for a program. if tmpfs support is built into your kernel, you can use that. |
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