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| 00:01.12 | rudi_s | shivraj: IIRC this was a string that caused some personal firewalls to cut the IRC connection .. |
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| 00:05.07 | blendmaster1024 | lol!!!!! |
| 00:06.12 | winter | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111 |
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| 00:08.54 | robin_sz | sigh |
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| 00:15.10 | d_b | Hi, I'm trying to download the flacs at http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.Q101 with this command: curl -O http://www.archive.org/download/machina.II.ver.Q101/Machina2.Q101.cd1t[01-11].flac but it doesn't work, I've used this for other files and it's worked then so what am I doing wrong? |
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| 00:16.43 | plugd | d_b: what kind of error do you get? |
| 00:17.06 | Karlitas | in htop, it says 188/988 in memory. Does that mean i still have 188mb left or that I am using 188? |
| 00:17.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Karlitas: use top |
| 00:17.26 | d_b | plugd: I don't get any error, it just goes through the urls without downloading. 0 on everything |
| 00:17.52 | plugd | jpinx-eeepc: use free |
| 00:18.15 | jpinx-eeepc | plugd: not me sir - him ;) |
| 00:18.37 | plugd | jpinx-eeepc: just being a smart-arse :) |
| 00:19.05 | plugd | jpinx-eeepc: which eeepc do you have? |
| 00:20.32 | Karlitas | jpinx-eeepc: top? |
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| 00:21.44 | plugd | Karlitas: it's a bit rougher than htop, no colours, but a bit clearer |
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| 00:21.56 | concord221 | I get a boot error after i made some change to my grub menu, it says waiting for root file system |
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| 00:22.19 | karsten | concord221: I smell a bad initrd, I think. |
| 00:22.25 | plugd | concord221: what did you change? |
| 00:22.58 | karsten | concord221: ... and why did you do it manually rather than, say, 'update-grub'? |
| 00:23.03 | plugd | concord221: try update-initramfs -u |
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| 00:23.14 | karsten | plugd: (assuming s/he can boot). |
| 00:23.32 | Karlitas | plugd : Ah thanks. What does "wa" stand for? |
| 00:23.35 | plugd | true |
| 00:24.48 | plugd | Karlitas: ? |
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| 00:25.09 | concord221 | well first i have to boot back in there first |
| 00:26.25 | Karlitas | plugd: in "top" it says 60%wa |
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| 00:27.14 | plugd | Karlitas: Look at section 2c. CPU States in the top manpage |
| 00:27.30 | k-man | i find that from time to time, say about once every 6 months, dnsmasq seems to stop responding to lookup requests, restarting dnsmaq solves the problem, anyone else found that? |
| 00:27.36 | Karlitas | and mem: 13372k free. ýet only 5% is being used of the memory. That does not make sence? :P |
| 00:27.45 | plugd | Karlitas: wa: Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete. |
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| 00:27.58 | Karlitas | So that's very high? |
| 00:28.44 | plugd | Karlitas: yeah, but makes sense if you're writing to disk or something like that |
| 00:29.15 | robin_sz | how do I purge a package and any sign of its existence from a system (ie gcj) .. apt-get remove gcj doesnt seem to remove err, gcj, for some reason |
| 00:29.16 | concord221 | so how i boot it back up |
| 00:29.39 | Karlitas | plugd: Ah okey. But i dont understand how only 13372k can be available yet only 5% is being used of the memory. is swap also memory ? |
| 00:29.39 | plugd | robin_sz: apt-get purge |
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| 00:30.27 | concord221 | brb |
| 00:31.02 | robin_sz | plugd, i wish that worked :( |
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| 00:31.40 | robin_sz | /usr/lib/gcj is still full of stuff |
| 00:31.41 | plugd | Karlitas: swap is listed separately, and memory usage can be quite low - you're not running windoze after all |
| 00:31.55 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i'm trying to install gnome-network-admin: Depends: gnome-system-tools but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:31.58 | Ariel_Calzada | any idea? |
| 00:32.06 | plugd | robin_sz: use dpkg-query to find which package owns that stuff |
| 00:34.06 | Karlitas | plugd: yes but 13372k, thats how many mb? I got 1gig ram, and this tells me only 134 ram is free, no? |
| 00:34.13 | Karlitas | Isn't that alot? |
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| 00:35.52 | plugd | Karlitas: what does it say for the total? 13372k is ~13MB |
| 00:36.21 | plugd | Karlitas: why are you worried that not all of your ram is currently being used? |
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| 00:36.28 | plugd | Karlitas: that's a good thing! |
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| 00:38.18 | blendmaster1024 | does anybody know off the top of your head what /etc/kernel-img.conf is? |
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| 00:39.20 | karsten | blendmaster1024: It's used by APT to autoconfigure stuff for grub/lilo. |
| 00:39.49 | karsten | blendmaster1024: The fact that there's no manpage (should be in section 5) is IMO a bug. |
| 00:40.20 | blendmaster1024 | ok, thx. do you happend to know of an easy way i could compile a custom kernel build for my debian-live remaster? |
| 00:40.40 | karsten | blendmaster1024: ... erm, there *is* a manpage (first check was on, *coff*, another Linux distro which shall *ubuntu* remain nameless) |
| 00:40.53 | karsten | !kp blendmaster1024 |
| 00:41.33 | blendmaster1024 | well yeah, but for a livecd :) |
| 00:41.41 | karsten | blendmaster1024: same story. |
| 00:41.48 | blendmaster1024 | ..? ok.... |
| 00:42.04 | karsten | blendmaster1024: You'll need the build stuff regardless. |
| 00:42.25 | karsten | blendmaster1024: Once you build the kernel package, you'll include it in the livecd through its tools. |
| 00:42.55 | blendmaster1024 | oh right, it outputs a debian package, not an installed kernel |
| 00:42.56 | blendmaster1024 | cool :) ! |
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| 00:44.02 | xeon-enouf | karsten: ?? |
| 00:44.04 | xeon-enouf | KERNEL-IMG.CONF(5) Debian GNU/Linux manual KERNEL-IMG.CONF(5) |
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| 00:45.08 | xeon-enouf | karsten: newer make-kpkgs now use /etc/kernel/ |
| 00:45.22 | blendmaster1024 | "(first check was on, *coff*, another Linux distro which shall *ubuntu* remain nameless)" |
| 00:45.41 | xeon-enouf | and maybe still that file |
| 00:45.44 | xeon-enouf | ugh |
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| 00:45.58 | blendmaster1024 | that's what he said, right? :) |
| 00:45.59 | Karlitas | plugd: no no, I am reading this as 13mb is FREE. the rest is used |
| 00:46.06 | karsten | xeon-enouf: Tx. |
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| 00:46.54 | markybob_ | Karlitas, why do you think that isnt normal? 1g is not much at all |
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| 00:47.05 | blendmaster1024 | yes it is i have 512M |
| 00:47.27 | Concord221 | i get an error when i boot up after i changed somethings on grub menu, here is my grub menu.lst http://pastebin.com/d10d3ecf5 |
| 00:47.44 | markybob_ | blendmaster1024, you being stuck in 1998 doesnt make his situation better |
| 00:47.51 | Karlitas | lol |
| 00:47.55 | Concord221 | error i get is waiting for file system |
| 00:48.04 | blendmaster1024 | uhh... 2001, not 1998 |
| 00:48.26 | Karlitas | markybob_: I am just surprised. Because if i look at top. It displays 5% being used. but free is 13mb. how that adds upp i have no clue |
| 00:48.42 | blendmaster1024 | Concord221, 8s ... that means that something is wrong with you initrd most likely |
| 00:49.14 | plugd | Karlitas: what could be confusing you is the fact that linux makes use of free memory by using it to cache file system reads |
| 00:49.25 | markybob_ | Karlitas, i have a firewall with squid, no x, currently using 2874788k. 86MB free. |
| 00:49.39 | markybob_ | Karlitas, it's not unusual. ram is there to be used |
| 00:49.50 | plugd | Karlitas: use free -k and tell us what it says on the -/+ buffers/cache line |
| 00:49.54 | xeon-enouf | !freeram |
| 00:49.59 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 00:50.17 | Concord221 | blendmaster1024, well my /home which is on a separate partition is a ext4, should that be on there |
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| 00:51.06 | winter | i've got 3 remaining problems with my lenny atm 1: after alt+ctr+del i can get to my console, i'seeing just a black screen 2: os works in utf-8 and sqlite3 refuses to read some unrecognized chars so i cant make a music library in exail :P 3: sysv-rc-conf does nothing (i had to chmod 644 some scripts),,, any ideas? |
| 00:51.08 | plugd | Karlitas: the memory used for caching will be freed if a process needs it, but it's better to use it than have it sitting there doing nothing |
| 00:51.11 | blendmaster1024 | it means that your kernel doesn't have the drivers for your harddrive/filesystem compiled into it, they're modules, which are usually in an initrd or initramfs, and it sounds like your messed up |
| 00:51.27 | winter | lol |
| 00:52.19 | xeon-enouf | winter: c) stop messing with sysv-rc-conf , use /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 00:52.30 | Concord221 | thanks for telling me how i add initramfs to kernel boot up line |
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| 00:52.51 | MariachiAC | Hello. How do I get pidgin notifications working via libnotify? |
| 00:52.58 | necro\ | o god |
| 00:53.03 | necro\ | the rest of us want to turn that off |
| 00:53.24 | blendmaster1024 | Concord221, sorry, can you pastebin your menu.lst ? |
| 00:53.25 | xeon-enouf | Concord221: just install and use a debian kernel (i did not see your pastebin) |
| 00:53.27 | markybob_ | MariachiAC, you install pidgin-libnotify |
| 00:53.40 | Concord221 | http://pastebin.com/d10d3ecf5 |
| 00:53.47 | MariachiAC | markybob_: It's installed, byt my screen reader does not say anything when people sign on. |
| 00:54.02 | xeon-enouf | (and not because i lost the url :-P) |
| 00:54.11 | markybob_ | MariachiAC, is the plugin loaded? |
| 00:54.25 | MariachiAC | markybob_: Yes it's checked off in plugins. |
| 00:54.35 | markybob_ | MariachiAC, move to #pidgin |
| 00:54.48 | engla | Ikiwiki users here? I'm trying to get rst to resolve wiki links. Anyone know how to hook into ikiwiki's link resolver (get list of existing pages or so) |
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| 00:54.55 | blendmaster1024 | Concord221, something is wrong with your kernel or initrd, not your menu.lst |
| 00:55.19 | xeon-enouf | winter: a) ctr-alt-f{1,2,3,4,5,6} |
| 00:55.39 | xeon-enouf | winter: once in VT though, just use alt-fn |
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| 00:55.41 | winter | it's not working |
| 00:55.54 | xeon-enouf | not -del |
| 00:55.58 | Concord221 | blendmaster1024, what i am saying if i am initramfs line on initrd line, it will bootup |
| 00:56.18 | blendmaster1024 | what? |
| 00:56.21 | Concord221 | can someone with debian squeeze and on ext4 paste /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:56.23 | winter | does a shit |
| 00:57.22 | winter | i'm on runlevel 2 |
| 00:57.42 | LobbyZ | Hey, how do i make a subdomain if a domain is hosted from my VPS? |
| 00:58.16 | xeon-enouf | Concord221: what FStype is root? and uname -r says? |
| 00:58.58 | xeon-enouf | s/root/rootfs/ |
| 00:59.32 | blendmaster1024 | xeon-enouf, he cant boot remember... |
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| 01:00.17 | Concord221 | xeon-enouf, well kernel i am using is 2.6.30-1-686, root is ext3 as far i know, i am puppylinux so i can really execute any command or at least not know how to do it now |
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| 01:00.56 | empiric1 | guys i am using debian etch i wan to upgrade my slapd only not he whole system how i proceeed |
| 01:01.08 | Concord221 | /dev/sda1 windows /dev/sda6 / /dev/sda7 /home (ext4) |
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| 01:01.17 | xeon-enouf | you can chroot .. but uname -r won;t work as expected/needed |
| 01:01.25 | markybob_ | empiric1, etch is stupid old. upgrade |
| 01:01.59 | empiric1 | i am running mail , dns , ldap, samba , on same machine upgrade may disrupt all |
| 01:01.59 | empiric1 | ? |
| 01:02.03 | xeon-enouf | Concord221: so ext4 is /home, not needed to boot - mount your / and edit fstab and comment it out |
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| 01:02.09 | empiric1 | any safe to to upgrade ? |
| 01:02.35 | markybob_ | empiric1, this is where debian shines. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:02.38 | Concord221 | what i am learning from this whole ordeal is that i should have backed my files before i changed it, i learn the hard way |
| 01:02.43 | xeon-enouf | (otherwise your ext4 chasing is pointless - for booting reasons) |
| 01:03.30 | empiric1 | markybob_ wht u mean? |
| 01:03.47 | necro\ | !backup |
| 01:03.47 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 01:03.48 | xeon-enouf | wht u mean wht u mean? |
| 01:03.49 | empiric1 | its live production server f sm thig goes wrong |
| 01:03.53 | necro\ | empiric1: do backups. |
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| 01:04.03 | necro\ | your revert time can be decreased to hours |
| 01:04.16 | Karlitas | how do one log out of su? |
| 01:04.19 | necro\ | pay the DC for connecting usb drive temporarally? |
| 01:04.22 | necro\ | also. |
| 01:04.23 | karsten | Karlitas: 'exit' |
| 01:04.23 | Karlitas | i am in terminal as su. Can i "logout" of su ? |
| 01:04.25 | markybob_ | empiric1, i mean debian's known for it's package management and stability |
| 01:04.31 | necro\ | you dont let production machines get old |
| 01:04.34 | Karlitas | ah thanks |
| 01:04.39 | necro\ | or go without backing them up. |
| 01:04.50 | karsten | Karlitas: 'su' typically executes a shell. Exit it as you would any other. |
| 01:04.50 | markybob_ | empiric1, upgrade. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:04.55 | necro\ | if its bread and butter you better have 2 online and 1 offline copy seperate from your server. |
| 01:05.02 | necro\ | DAMN well better |
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| 01:07.06 | Concord221 | xeon-enouf, does this refer ext 4 none /dev/pts devpts gid=2,mode=620 0 0 |
| 01:07.14 | empiric1 | wht u mean by upgrade. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:07.23 | empiric1 | is this a command |
| 01:07.35 | markybob_ | empiric1, jesus. i mean type in /msg dpkg etch->lenny in your irc client |
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| 01:07.52 | empiric1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.01 | markybob_ | you've got to be joking |
| 01:08.18 | LobbyZ | What is an easy configable FTP server/client for debian? |
| 01:08.18 | markybob_ | !tell empiric1 -about etch->lenny |
| 01:08.36 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, vsftpd is the best ftp server around |
| 01:09.06 | LobbyZ | is it easy to config? |
| 01:09.12 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, yes |
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| 01:09.27 | LobbyZ | Okay, installed. How do i config it then? |
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| 01:09.35 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, nano -w /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 01:09.35 | bittin- | still no 2.6.31 :( |
| 01:09.49 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, it's very well commented |
| 01:09.55 | LobbyZ | okay |
| 01:10.20 | LobbyZ | thats just a example conf |
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| 01:10.49 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, no. it's live conf with examples commented in it. |
| 01:10.54 | d_b | LobbyZ: maybe not right for you but using ssh for sftp with ChrootDirectory is also good if you want security. Especially with ssh keys for login. Though you need to keep everything in one folder (with subfolders of course), at least I haven't figured out a way of doing it differently. |
| 01:11.20 | necro\ | agrees with d_b to the usual ssh key limitations |
| 01:11.37 | Karlitas | i am trying to open rtorrent and it says could not lock session directory : /home/seedbox/sessions/", held by "ks34blbla.kimsufi.com+2941" |
| 01:11.40 | jpinx-eeepc | plugd: 701 with xtra ram |
| 01:11.42 | Karlitas | what exactly does this mean? |
| 01:11.49 | necro\ | also d_b leaving the same path open to rsync is often a great idea; especially if there are lots of small files ;) |
| 01:11.54 | LobbyZ | Markybob_, okay its configured |
| 01:11.55 | LobbyZ | now what? |
| 01:11.59 | markybob_ | Karlitas, it means you should learn that ktorrent sucks and move on to deluge |
| 01:12.16 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, now nothing. now clients can connect |
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| 01:12.21 | Karlitas | I am using rtorrent |
| 01:12.22 | d_b | necro\: I don't think it's a key thing, had the same thing when using regular login. |
| 01:12.25 | LobbyZ | no restarts? |
| 01:13.01 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, will you just try it? |
| 01:13.11 | LobbyZ | I'm trying it |
| 01:13.19 | d_b | LobbyZ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsftpd |
| 01:13.24 | LobbyZ | its not very secure |
| 01:13.38 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, vsftpd is the most secure ftp server around |
| 01:13.44 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, you're just talking shit |
| 01:13.56 | Karlitas | Okey, how do you get a screen to appear? i typped screen -r and it showed two. Can i "open" them? |
| 01:13.58 | LobbyZ | yes but when i went into ftp://mydomainhere it didnt ask for password |
| 01:14.16 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, debian, redhat, ibm, kernel.org, opensuse.org, etc, all use vsftpd |
| 01:14.31 | d_b | LobbyZ: look at the link I gave you and read. |
| 01:14.32 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, that's because you didnt disable anonymous access in the config |
| 01:14.36 | markybob_ | LobbyZ, that's your fault |
| 01:14.43 | LobbyZ | I just disabled it |
| 01:14.45 | LobbyZ | same error |
| 01:14.48 | LobbyZ | well not error |
| 01:14.50 | d_b | LobbyZ: look at the link I gave you and read. |
| 01:14.53 | LobbyZ | but it dosnt ask for password |
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| 01:14.59 | LobbyZ | d_b, okay |
| 01:15.18 | necro\ | markybob_: wrong. |
| 01:15.31 | necro\ | pure-ftpd is the ONLY ftpd with NO knonw exploits. |
| 01:15.45 | necro\ | which by your criteria makes it better |
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| 01:16.04 | d_b | LobbyZ: Don't ask before you've tried finding the answer. It's better for you as well since you'll find out other things at the same time when you find information yourself. |
| 01:16.07 | markybob_ | necro\, prove it |
| 01:16.26 | necro\ | prove a single exploit for pure-ftpd. |
| 01:16.31 | necro\ | i can prove at least one for vsftpd |
| 01:16.52 | markybob_ | necro\, would you also like to compare penis size? |
| 01:17.13 | necro\ | markybob_: for all i know the closest you can come is a neighbor's pix |
| 01:17.30 | necro\ | but i'll tell you what |
| 01:17.44 | necro\ | if i make 90gbits of penis happen .... :P |
| 01:17.54 | necro\ | so back to the discussion of how you are wrong |
| 01:17.59 | markybob_ | necro\, http://www.governmentsecurity.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10150 |
| 01:18.06 | necro\ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=SY6xSsClGYLONafLgPIN&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=vsftpd+known+exploit&spell=1 |
| 01:18.10 | markybob_ | necro\, what about not being able to find a pure-ftpd exploit? |
| 01:18.29 | markybob_ | necro\, they *all* have known exploit on old versions. including pure-ftpd |
| 01:18.40 | necro\ | heh |
| 01:18.45 | markybob_ | necro\, hell, even bittorrent clients and text editors have known exploits |
| 01:18.55 | necro\ | shrugs |
| 01:19.03 | markybob_ | necro\, you said i couldnt find one. i found one. now what? |
| 01:19.12 | necro\ | still using your own criteria which is security |
| 01:19.20 | necro\ | lets look at a history of exploits for both then |
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| 01:19.43 | necro\ | i actually didnt say you couldnt find it |
| 01:19.49 | necro\ | i asked you to prove it |
| 01:19.50 | markybob_ | necro\, you've already been proven wrong. i have better things to do |
| 01:19.53 | necro\ | you did ^^ |
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| 01:20.04 | necro\ | your shit still has more holes than mine :D |
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| 01:20.19 | markybob_ | <necro\> pure-ftpd is the ONLY ftpd with NO knonw exploits. |
| 01:20.22 | markybob_ | yes...ok |
| 01:20.36 | markybob_ | grow up |
| 01:20.40 | necro\ | shrugs |
| 01:21.01 | cagonto | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 01:21.13 | blendmaster1024 | ban him |
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| 01:21.20 | necro\ | if it matters markybob_ i'm submitting a bug report |
| 01:21.34 | markybob_ | necro\, nothing you have to say matters to me |
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| 01:22.08 | dondelelcaro | markybob_, necro\: if you two actually need to contiunue this, do it elsewhere. |
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| 01:22.30 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise, use /ignore or similar if you must) |
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| 01:36.00 | necro\ | there |
| 01:36.00 | necro\ | ffs |
| 01:36.11 | necro\ | ive submitted an accuracy bug report to pure-ftpd |
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| 01:46.03 | Karlitas | I am trying to remove "transmission" i type "apt-get rmeove transission" but it says no package installed. However it keeps starting when i reboot pc. Any ideas? |
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| 01:48.38 | clearscreen | that's because its called transmission, not transission |
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| 01:52.09 | phogg | even if spelled correctly the package name may be slightly different |
| 01:52.28 | necro\ | use search |
| 01:52.37 | necro\ | apt-cache search torrent client |
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| 01:52.41 | necro\ | yum search torrent client |
| 01:52.54 | necro\ | yum search torrent client|grep trans <- if you know a piece |
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| 01:53.50 | Karlitas | and I use apt-get remove or dpkg --purge ? |
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| 01:54.04 | clearscreen | apt-get remove --purge :P |
| 01:54.21 | phogg | apt-get remove |
| 01:54.27 | phogg | --purge should not be required |
| 01:54.52 | fbc-mx | I added "2525 inet n - - - - smtpd" to my /etc/postfix/master.cf and typed "postfix reload" and still can't send mail to that port. Any ideas why? |
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| 01:55.43 | necro\ | purge is nice phogg |
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| 01:55.55 | necro\ | it keeps the system clean by taking out all residual configs. |
| 01:56.10 | fbc-mx | necro\, yeah purge is good to get rid of config files. Like when you want to start over. |
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| 01:56.59 | necro\ | fbc-mx: not just that |
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| 01:57.11 | necro\ | small files cluttering up your filesystem WILL degrade performance. |
| 01:57.37 | necro\ | just take a look at having massive counts of small objects in a folder structure |
| 01:57.58 | fbc-mx | necro\, yeah... detrimental to performance in any case. |
| 01:58.01 | necro\ | thats why ubuntu is NOT fast |
| 01:58.06 | necro\ | too much clutter... |
| 01:58.24 | necro\ | anyway it wont kill ya to leave it either for teh record i suppose |
| 01:58.26 | fbc-mx | necro\, even with ext4? |
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| 01:58.52 | necro\ | fbc-mx: there is no filesystem out there that can handle a milliion 1k files the same way as a thousand 1M files |
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| 01:59.01 | necro\ | otherwise we would be using it here |
| 01:59.17 | necro\ | <- works for a CDN - content delievery network |
| 01:59.20 | fbc-mx | necro\, guess you got a point there.. |
| 01:59.22 | necro\ | lots of fun man |
| 01:59.26 | necro\ | fbc-mx: i WISH |
| 01:59.42 | necro\ | thats why my most important qualification for an ssd is the 1k and 4k read/write |
| 01:59.58 | necro\ | thats whats happening when your loading files/configs/reading gconf/etc |
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| 02:00.12 | fbc-mx | necro\, yeah.. I'd like a fast ssd. |
| 02:00.13 | necro\ | same with winshit - reading the ini's, etc etc etc |
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| 02:00.46 | fbc-mx | necro\, do you know about postfix? can you take a look at this? |
| 02:00.49 | fbc-mx | I added "2525 inet n - - - - smtpd" to my /etc/postfix/master.cf and typed "postfix reload" and still can't send mail to that port. Any ideas why? |
| 02:01.25 | necro\ | fbc-mx: what OS/version/flavor |
| 02:01.40 | fbc-mx | necro\, lenny debian 5 |
| 02:01.46 | fbc-mx | x64 |
| 02:01.49 | necro\ | 8025 inet n - n - - smtpd |
| 02:01.55 | necro\ | that's the example i'm seeing |
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| 02:02.13 | necro\ | a. it has 1 fewer status lines |
| 02:02.23 | necro\ | b. it has another 'n' in third position |
| 02:02.23 | Sweer | guten morgen |
| 02:02.28 | fbc-mx | hmm.. let me check that out... |
| 02:02.31 | necro\ | morninz Sweer |
| 02:02.54 | necro\ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix |
| 02:02.55 | Sweer | german debian channel |
| 02:03.00 | necro\ | fbc-mx: debian != ubuntu |
| 02:03.06 | necro\ | but that page shows exactly what im talking about |
| 02:03.11 | necro\ | your at the troubleshooting phase |
| 02:03.16 | necro\ | hopefully |
| 02:03.19 | necro\ | also |
| 02:03.25 | Sweer | ^^ |
| 02:03.28 | Sweer | cool |
| 02:03.41 | necro\ | www.debianhelp.co.uk/ that spot is AWESOME for debian config/setups |
| 02:04.25 | Sweer | hmmm ich möchte debain installieren will ein root patition erstellen welche Mount option nehme ich |
| 02:04.41 | Tramp | !tell Sweer -about de |
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| 02:05.20 | Sweer | why |
| 02:05.25 | Akuw | hi |
| 02:05.30 | Sweer | hi |
| 02:05.34 | Akuw | can't play this video http://demo15.hwdmediashare.co.uk/ |
| 02:05.40 | Akuw | but can play youtube |
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| 02:07.23 | Sweer | german channel only german |
| 02:07.58 | Sweer | help my |
| 02:08.42 | Sweer | join debain german |
| 02:09.45 | Concord221 | my /etc is missing? |
| 02:10.03 | markybob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.27 | Concord221 | thanks for telling me, like i didnt know that |
| 02:11.43 | Concord221 | i tried going to rescue mode and reinstall grub it wouldnt go,why that be |
| 02:12.13 | markybob_ | Concord221, umm...because grub is .02% of /etc ? |
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| 02:14.36 | mimiloon | hi everybody, is there a linux app to open "OneNote" files? |
| 02:14.38 | fbc-mx | necro\, that for the tutorial.. but I remember I had another workign debian server I could compare main.cf's with and found a parameter called "inet_interfaces =" that was set to "localhost" instead of "all" |
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| 02:14.56 | fbc-mx | necro\, so basically only the local machine could send mail... |
| 02:15.37 | fbc-mx | necro\, that=thanks |
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| 02:16.58 | nsadmin | mimiloon dunno... suggest google.com for "linux onenote" |
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| 02:17.32 | markybob_ | fbc-mx, your machine will quickly be added to all blacklists and not be able to send any mail to anyone |
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| 02:18.03 | quasimodo_ | hi guys |
| 02:18.03 | quasimodo_ | . |
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| 02:18.47 | quasimodo_ | my debian box has 4gigs of ram according to the bios but debian insists there is only 906792 that it can see |
| 02:19.12 | adb | 32 bit ? |
| 02:19.17 | quasimodo_ | its 32 bit kernel, but judging by how little ram it seems i don't think it is a 32 vx 64 bit issue |
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| 02:20.06 | adb | add kernel -bigram |
| 02:20.32 | quasimodo_ | googling |
| 02:20.37 | quasimodo_ | thx for tip... that still makes no sense |
| 02:20.44 | adb | well -bigmem |
| 02:20.47 | quasimodo_ | it should see up to about 3.5 gigs |
| 02:22.00 | adb | !bigmem |
| 02:22.00 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem. |
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| 02:22.30 | quasimodo_ | yeah, that isn't the problem at all *nod* right |
| 02:22.39 | quasimodo_ | its only 4 gigs and sees 900mb |
| 02:22.51 | quasimodo_ | weird |
| 02:22.58 | objorn | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1201887412 |
| 02:22.58 | necro\ | quasimodo_: so |
| 02:23.00 | objorn | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 02:23.03 | objorn | help? |
| 02:23.07 | necro\ | you see 1 gig or so instead of almost 4? |
| 02:23.10 | necro\ | check your bios settings |
| 02:23.23 | necro\ | objorn: you need to load teh gpg key |
| 02:23.26 | quasimodo_ | *nod* already did |
| 02:23.32 | quasimodo_ | 3.5 gigs available via bios |
| 02:23.37 | necro\ | quasimodo_: try a live cd |
| 02:23.50 | necro\ | see if its hardware or a package version issue |
| 02:23.53 | quasimodo_ | that sounds right *nod* ithink that is all i can do |
| 02:23.59 | necro\ | ya its wierd |
| 02:24.01 | quasimodo_ | thx |
| 02:24.12 | necro\ | ive seen it before but its been a while gonna think on it a bit hang out ^^ |
| 02:24.30 | quasimodo_ | *nod* yeah |
| 02:24.40 | adb | quasimodo_, uname -r , says ? |
| 02:25.31 | quasimodo_ | oh thats a good point ... 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 02:25.49 | quasimodo_ | maybe that kernel only can see 900mb ... weird but possible |
| 02:25.58 | adb | ha ? -486 |
| 02:26.16 | necro\ | quasimodo_: dont take this teh wrong way but free -m ? |
| 02:26.18 | necro\ | top? |
| 02:26.26 | necro\ | they all show 1gbish? |
| 02:26.28 | necro\ | GB** |
| 02:26.32 | quasimodo_ | all, yep |
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| 02:26.51 | necro\ | what mobo/cpu |
| 02:27.16 | adb | necro\, -486 .. |
| 02:27.18 | quasimodo_ | cheapie asus with 6 month old intel cpu dual core |
| 02:27.28 | quasimodo_ | themachien that sees 3.5 gigs is -686 |
| 02:27.36 | quasimodo_ | the one that sees 900mb -486 |
| 02:27.40 | quasimodo_ | that sounds roughly right |
| 02:27.57 | quasimodo_ | i think we have a clue, thank you very much, googlign the rest :) |
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| 02:28.36 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 02:28.45 | lkthomas | how could I strace a process which is not running yet ? |
| 02:29.56 | markybob_ | lkthomas, you eat some mushrooms. you'd be surprised what you're able to do with things that dont exist |
| 02:30.08 | lkthomas | I mean |
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| 02:30.15 | lkthomas | how could I strace a pending process |
| 02:30.40 | markybob_ | lkthomas, you obviously have no idea what strace does |
| 02:30.51 | lkthomas | I use strace a long time |
| 02:31.02 | lkthomas | just not sure how to get into some random call process |
| 02:31.14 | ajavid | read the manpage for it |
| 02:31.21 | ajavid | man strace first para |
| 02:31.23 | lkthomas | need some hints man |
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| 02:31.59 | ajavid | does debian have dtrace |
| 02:32.00 | ajavid | !dtrace |
| 02:32.25 | ajavid | wasn't someone porting it or something |
| 02:33.06 | ajavid | As of June 2009, the port for Linux is nearing completion... |
| 02:33.19 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 02:33.30 | lkthomas | I know dtrace could deal with sub-process trace |
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| 02:34.16 | ajavid | ok |
| 02:34.19 | quasimodo_ | yup looks like -486 isn't compiled for bigmem support |
| 02:34.20 | ajavid | how long have you been using strace? |
| 02:34.26 | quasimodo_ | danke kindly debianites |
| 02:34.27 | ajavid | have you EVER read the manpage? |
| 02:34.39 | ajavid | lkthomas, strace -p (read again please) |
| 02:35.07 | ajavid | and continue reading... don't stop. |
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| 02:36.02 | adb | ajavid, reading for him is better :) |
| 02:36.05 | ajavid | dtrace would be awesome though |
| 02:36.08 | ajavid | adb, hell no. |
| 02:36.10 | ajavid | :) |
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| 02:36.56 | ajavid | lkthomas, also, I just read your qeustion and I'm with markybob_ |
| 02:37.08 | ajavid | lkthomas, how do you propose to strace something doesn't yet exist? |
| 02:37.25 | ajavid | I thought you wanted to attach to a running pid |
| 02:37.31 | adb | maybe it is idle .. |
| 02:37.40 | ajavid | possibly... |
| 02:37.47 | ajavid | he said pending |
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| 02:37.52 | man_in_work | wvaes |
| 02:37.55 | man_in_work | *waves |
| 02:38.54 | ajavid | well either way, if it is runing and idle, it has a pid, and you need -p, if not, just strace something |
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| 02:39.15 | art3mis | quick question how do I force a boot level 3? |
| 02:39.23 | ajavid | art3mis, come again? |
| 02:39.28 | necro\ | quasimodo_: ever have a different os on that box? |
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| 02:39.34 | necro\ | where it actually saw more than 1gb ram? |
| 02:39.35 | art3mis | well its booting into level 5 right now with gui xorg etc |
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| 02:39.38 | necro\ | i mean anything but the bios? |
| 02:39.42 | ajavid | art3mis, we don't have that in debian |
| 02:39.46 | ajavid | !nodm |
| 02:39.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 02:39.48 | necro\ | youve run dist-upgrade, etc? |
| 02:39.50 | art3mis | I'd like it not to boot xorg and just start runlevel 3 |
| 02:39.58 | maxagaz | how to flush the queue given by mailq ? |
| 02:39.59 | ajavid | art3mis, please read above |
| 02:40.11 | quasimodo_ | necro\: nope, never. i'm a debian addict :) |
| 02:40.20 | quasimodo_ | i'm about to find out if thats what that was |
| 02:40.25 | man_in_work | art3mis: either you're not running debian or you don't understand how the runlevels work |
| 02:40.26 | necro\ | quasimodo_: so that computer has only ever seen 1GB in bios? |
| 02:40.26 | ajavid | takes away quasimodo_'s debian and watches him have a fit! |
| 02:40.30 | necro\ | er in OS? |
| 02:40.35 | art3mis | been playing in opensuse all day |
| 02:40.39 | art3mis | heh my mistake |
| 02:40.41 | art3mis | thanks |
| 02:40.41 | necro\ | get an ubu livecd and see if its the same |
| 02:40.44 | quasimodo_ | necro\: no it saw 4 gigs before, this is a fairly new install |
| 02:40.48 | necro\ | or some other distro with a recent kernel |
| 02:40.53 | ajavid | !bpo |
| 02:40.53 | necro\ | oh ok so it has seen more.... |
| 02:40.53 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 02:40.57 | quasimodo_ | yup |
| 02:41.00 | quasimodo_ | thats what it was |
| 02:41.01 | necro\ | quasimodo_: whats different about the two setups |
| 02:41.01 | quasimodo_ | lol |
| 02:41.03 | ajavid | get 2.6.30 (if you need it) from here |
| 02:41.17 | necro\ | then and now i mean |
| 02:41.19 | necro\ | same box |
| 02:41.29 | quasimodo_ | it turns out this one had a -486 kernel installed not compiled for bigmem ... by accident |
| 02:41.33 | quasimodo_ | someone else set this one up for me |
| 02:41.57 | necro\ | A NO_HIGHMEM kernel will only give you 883MB or something like that. You must go to the 4GB kernel to get the rest. It may be called something else, but it's config file will contain "CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y". If the config has "CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y" you are stuck with less than 1GB no matter what your physical RAM size. |
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| 02:42.04 | necro\ | give me uname -a again |
| 02:42.22 | ajavid | just run a amd64 kernel... (if you can do EM64T or have AMD64 cpu) |
| 02:42.27 | necro\ | !dpkg compile kernel |
| 02:42.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 02:42.30 | ajavid | judd versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 02:42.31 | judd | ajavid: linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 squeeze: 2.6.30+20 |
| 02:42.36 | man_in_work | i read that grub-pc doesn't like the "vga=" kernel flag any more |
| 02:42.37 | quasimodo_ | you missed the part where i googled and installed -686 it sees all 3.5 gigs now :) |
| 02:42.39 | quasimodo_ | happy days |
| 02:42.43 | man_in_work | anyone know how to set a vesa resolution on boot? |
| 02:42.44 | necro\ | o |
| 02:42.45 | ajavid | quasimodo_, what is your cpu? |
| 02:42.46 | necro\ | lol |
| 02:42.47 | quasimodo_ | i thakn you for your really kind and persistent help :) |
| 02:42.49 | necro\ | congrats |
| 02:42.49 | art3mis | thanks aja |
| 02:42.52 | necro\ | [solved] |
| 02:42.55 | ajavid | welcome |
| 02:43.14 | necro\ | quasimodo_: im at work you see |
| 02:43.21 | necro\ | and if i dont help here then i gotta help clients |
| 02:43.31 | ajavid | quasimodo_, why are you not using amd64? |
| 02:43.31 | quasimodo_ | :) i only come here when i'm stumped, #debian simply rocks. period. end of discussion. |
| 02:43.32 | quasimodo_ | :) |
| 02:43.38 | quasimodo_ | necro\: heheeheh! |
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| 02:43.59 | quasimodo_ | ajavid: oh because we haveto use vmwar sever 1.x which only works on etch because of module compile issues |
| 02:44.09 | quasimodo_ | otherwise, you are correct *nod* |
| 02:44.09 | ajavid | I see |
| 02:44.12 | ajavid | corporate limitations? |
| 02:44.16 | ajavid | they suck! |
| 02:44.24 | quasimodo_ | yup! |
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| 02:44.43 | quasimodo_ | watcha gonna do, thats life |
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| 02:44.55 | ajavid | quasimodo_, is your vm having 4gb of ram? |
| 02:45.04 | ajavid | quasimodo_, is your host 64bit capable? |
| 02:45.24 | quasimodo_ | host is capable yes, guest is 32 bit tho |
| 02:45.24 | man_in_work | has just realised his irssi isn't configured |
| 02:45.26 | ajavid | quasimodo_, if your host is 64bit capable and your vmware is also 64bit, you can simply install the amd64 kernel in your debian |
| 02:45.35 | ajavid | quasimodo_, have a 32bit userland with a amd64 kernel |
| 02:45.41 | quasimodo_ | actually, thats a damn good point |
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| 02:45.43 | ajavid | see all 4gb instead of 3.x |
| 02:45.43 | quasimodo_ | *hmmm*& |
| 02:45.49 | necro\ | \o/ |
| 02:46.03 | quasimodo_ | yeah no kidding |
| 02:46.04 | necro\ | ajavid: it is nice to get that half gig back from vid/pci |
| 02:46.04 | ajavid | quasimodo_, I was trying to ask you this earlier but you ignored my questions. |
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| 02:46.18 | quasimodo_ | ajavid: appologies i may have misunderstood |
| 02:46.20 | necro\ | quasimodo_: dont feel bad he's annoying ;) |
| 02:46.22 | ajavid | np |
| 02:46.31 | BlueG | Anybody know about recent breakage of sound system in testing? |
| 02:46.33 | ajavid | ... |
| 02:46.41 | necro\ | :> |
| 02:47.01 | ajavid | I maybe helpful, but I have a short fuse, don't incur my wrath. |
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| 02:47.34 | ajavid | quasimodo_, find out about the host system |
| 02:47.42 | quasimodo_ | heheh :) spoke like a true sysadmin. i understand the point of view and take the same position often |
| 02:47.43 | necro\ | lol.... wrath... |
| 02:48.21 | fbc-mx | markybob_, why? |
| 02:49.04 | BlueG | My testing system seems to have no sound in vlc, rhythmbox, music123, or aplay |
| 02:49.14 | ajavid | BlueG, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 02:49.33 | man_in_work | grr |
| 02:49.37 | man_in_work | damn irssi |
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| 02:49.40 | ajavid | no |
| 02:49.45 | ajavid | not damn irssi, bless irssi :) |
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| 02:52.01 | man_in_ltop | better |
| 02:52.09 | man_in_ltop | yay, scrolling topic bar |
| 02:53.26 | ajavid | also anothe rone |
| 02:53.44 | ajavid | this /home/ajavid/.irssi/scripts/autorun/twprompt.pl |
| 02:53.53 | ajavid | scrolling prompt |
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| 02:54.16 | necro\ | ajavid: pix or it didnt happen |
| 02:54.31 | ajavid | also get splitlong.pl, nickcolor.pl and DEF get scriptassit.pl |
| 02:55.10 | ajavid | I make alias for scriptassit called /sa and just /sa search dcc; /sa install one of the results returns, /sa autorun something and its added to scripts/autorun |
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| 02:55.43 | ajavid | all the scripts are in the irssi-scripts pacakge anyway you can load via /script load but scriptassist automates and is nice and can keep your scripts uptodate |
| 02:55.48 | necro\ | i recommend: auto_whois.pl awl.pl hack-whois-in-current-window.pl |
| 02:56.03 | ajavid | awl.pl++ |
| 02:56.29 | necro\ | yeah |
| 02:56.37 | necro\ | i use the chanlist feature |
| 02:56.45 | quasimodo_ | .... and recompiled modules and we are good. |
| 02:56.45 | necro\ | but it *can* do a nickchanlist |
| 02:56.48 | necro\ | tho it's kinda hacky |
| 02:56.55 | quasimodo_ | i thank you for all the help once again. kick ass. |
| 02:56.58 | quasimodo_ | :) |
| 02:56.59 | quasimodo_ | nite |
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| 02:57.43 | BlueG | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 02:57.43 | BlueG | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 02:57.43 | BlueG | aplay: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 02:58.48 | ajavid | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 02:58.51 | BlueG | I've been through the check list and still get that error and no sound |
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| 02:59.09 | xeon-enouf | quasimodo_: as you figured out; -486 kernel sees only up to 1G ram, and not SMP-aware, the -686 will see somewhere between 3.2-3.8 GB depending on PCI Address space used - now, the -bigmem kernel is also 32bit like the others, but can see (theoretically) up to 64G ram - I suggest your check your BIOS for an option similar to 'i/o memory-hole remapping above 4G boundary' |
| 02:59.17 | xeon-enouf | qoreqyas_: it's also a chipset issue |
| 02:59.19 | man_in_ltop | so anyone know how to make grub-pc set a vesa mode on boot? |
| 02:59.34 | BlueG | ajavid: lsof /dev/dsp returns nothing |
| 02:59.51 | xeon-enouf | install alsa-oss ? |
| 03:00.04 | ajavid | BlueG, lsof|grep snd |
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| 03:00.13 | ajavid | BlueG, lsof|grep dsp |
| 03:00.41 | xeon-enouf | oh well ...another one bites the dust |
| 03:01.19 | ajavid | man_in_ltop, kernel param vga=XXX (use vga=ask) or look up the modes in google 'kernel framebuffer modes' |
| 03:01.28 | ajavid | man_in_ltop, add to kopt line for your kernel version |
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| 03:02.02 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: i think grub2 is different? |
| 03:02.03 | ajavid | man_in_ltop, add to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:02.14 | ajavid | grub-pc != grub2 |
| 03:02.18 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: no menu.lst in grub2 |
| 03:02.25 | ajavid | is it? |
| 03:02.26 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: yes it is |
| 03:02.35 | ajavid | well I'll be damned. I don't use grub2! |
| 03:02.42 | xeon-enouf | grub-legacy == grub1 |
| 03:02.47 | ajavid | oh no shit. |
| 03:02.50 | ajavid | hm |
| 03:02.57 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 03:02.57 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 sid: 1.97~beta3-1 squeeze: 1.97~beta3-1 |
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| 03:03.07 | ajavid | judd versions grub-legacy |
| 03:03.08 | judd | ajavid: grub-legacy -- squeeze: 0.97-56 sid: 0.97-58 |
| 03:03.18 | ajavid | hmm |
| 03:03.20 | elpiratedechron | -rf is force remove for when you're trying to remove normally protected folders right? |
| 03:03.26 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: grub-common is used for both .. in some releases? |
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| 03:04.26 | ajavid | hmm |
| 03:04.30 | ajavid | whatever |
| 03:04.44 | elpiratedechron | as in sudo rm -rf <folder path> |
| 03:04.57 | ajavid | uhm |
| 03:05.06 | ajavid | that not a good command to type as sudo.. you might fuck up in your path |
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| 03:05.14 | elpiratedechron | that's not what I asked |
| 03:05.35 | ajavid | elpiratedechron, I didn't answer your question... |
| 03:05.37 | elpiratedechron | someone in another chance was bitching about how he didn't want to help with linux anyjmore |
| 03:05.38 | ajavid | obviously. |
| 03:06.01 | ajavid | would you like to cop an attitude or would you like an answer? |
| 03:06.07 | BlueG | ajavid: hmmm, looks like transmission bittorrent client was blocking my sound... |
| 03:06.12 | ajavid | BlueG, :) |
| 03:06.36 | BlueG | bug with transmission? |
| 03:06.38 | ajavid | BlueG, use deluge |
| 03:06.43 | ajavid | all else fail. |
| 03:06.45 | BlueG | deluge? |
| 03:06.51 | ajavid | aptitude intall deluge-torrent |
| 03:06.59 | ajavid | pygtk+librottent based |
| 03:07.00 | elpiratedechron | well looks who's king around here.. go fuck yourself ajavid. I just googled it thanks for nothing ass |
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| 03:07.13 | markybob_ | BlueG, yes, deluge. the best bittorrent client in linux/osx/windows |
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| 03:07.27 | nsx | I'm not down with software dict proselytizing |
| 03:07.28 | ajavid | markybob_++ |
| 03:07.37 | nsx | but I too heavily recommend deluge |
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| 03:07.52 | BlueG | hmm, maybe I should gice it a try |
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| 03:08.26 | ajavid | its like utorrent but for X |
| 03:09.07 | nsx | and it's modular |
| 03:09.15 | BlueG | hmm, if you have deluge running with the gtk ui, can you connect to the running instance from the console ui at the same time? |
| 03:09.17 | man_in_ltop | ajavid: apparently grub-pc (grub2) doesn't like vga=XXX |
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| 03:09.26 | markybob_ | BlueG, yes |
| 03:09.34 | nsx | and it you can set a "watch directory" like you can in rtorrent, except it works 100 times better than rtorrent |
| 03:09.39 | BlueG | Sweet! Installing deluge now... |
| 03:09.39 | markybob_ | BlueG, and from the webui. |
| 03:09.42 | nsx | and you don't even need to use the gui if you don't want |
| 03:09.52 | nsx | you can just run the daemon and use the console ui or webui from another machine |
| 03:09.56 | BlueG | I think everything should be built that way... |
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| 03:10.04 | markybob_ | BlueG, thank you |
| 03:10.12 | nsx | I don't think everything should be built that way. it incurs overhead. |
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| 03:10.15 | elpiratedechron | oh and btw this is why I wanted to know http://pastebin.com/d63701717 |
| 03:10.16 | elpiratedechron | just wanted to be sure I wan't saying fuck you for no reason :p |
| 03:10.17 | adb | man_in_ltop, try vga=0x305 (it is 1024x768) |
| 03:10.26 | nsx | it depends on the purpose of the application |
| 03:10.49 | BlueG | nsx: ok, maybe not everything... |
| 03:11.17 | markybob_ | is a proud daddy |
| 03:11.18 | BlueG | but I would like almost everything on my desktop to work that way |
| 03:11.33 | BlueG | how much overhead is there anyway? |
| 03:11.45 | markybob_ | BlueG, minimal |
| 03:12.11 | markybob_ | BlueG, everything is optimized. even communication between client and daemon |
| 03:12.20 | markybob_ | (gzip) |
| 03:12.36 | BlueG | markybob_: Any suggestions for other common apps that work that way? |
| 03:12.49 | man_in_ltop | adb: fyi, it didn't like vga=ask either |
| 03:13.02 | man_in_ltop | i don't think grub2 accepts the vga flag at all any more |
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| 03:13.17 | xeon-enouf | man_in_ltop: lastly try #grub, but if you tried in grub.cfg, try now looking for info and in /etc/grub.d/* |
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| 03:13.30 | markybob_ | BlueG, i was the lead developer for deluge...but i dont know of what other apps to suggest to you |
| 03:13.36 | xeon-enouf | i don't think it does man_in_ltop |
| 03:14.36 | BlueG | markybob_: Oh, awesome :- |
| 03:14.39 | xeon-enouf | man_in_ltop: and then there's /etc/default/grub |
| 03:14.49 | BlueG | s/:-/:-) |
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| 03:15.08 | markybob_ | BlueG, yeah, i'm biased |
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| 03:16.12 | man_in_ltop | xeon-enouf: i can't find much on variables are supported in /etc/default/grub |
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| 03:17.50 | BlueG | markybob_:but at least you are knowledgeable. Some people arebiased /and/ don't know what they are talking about. :-p |
| 03:18.00 | xeon-enouf | man_in_ltop: i know .. check grub.enbug.org wiki - it's being worked on |
| 03:18.48 | xeon-enouf | man_in_ltop: i'm not sure what role that file plays though .. so .. might not even be needed for your vga= equivalent |
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| 03:26.17 | nas2 | hi there could this error be related to the audit package? "Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode |
| 03:26.19 | nas2 | Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: audit(1252797377.842:115): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295 |
| 03:26.21 | nas2 | Sep 13 07:16:17 vpsmisc02 kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" |
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| 03:32.15 | man_in_ltop | xeon-enouf: i found "set gfxmode=640x480 |
| 03:32.23 | man_in_ltop | on http://grub.enbug.org/FranklinPiat/grub.cfg.manpage |
| 03:32.33 | man_in_ltop | but i'm not sure if that's enough |
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| 03:46.59 | xeon-enouf | man_in_ltop: cool |
| 03:48.09 | xeon-enouf | nas2: do you have nmap (or was it ntop?) loading upon bootup? |
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| 03:50.36 | nas2 | xeon-enouf: no i don't have these programs |
| 03:50.40 | nas2 | nmap and ntop |
| 03:50.48 | nas2 | i don't have it running |
| 03:51.29 | xeon-enouf | nas2: ok, then i don't know - try ##networking perhaps? |
| 03:51.58 | xeon-enouf | nas2: if nothing there, then ##linux even |
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| 03:52.49 | plugd | ajavid: you there? |
| 03:54.06 | ajavid | maybe |
| 03:54.12 | plugd | :) |
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| 03:54.36 | plugd | just wanted to let you know I sorted out my apt issues |
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| 03:55.23 | plugd | my problem was due to the fact that I am a compulsive dist-upgrader |
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| 03:57.18 | plugd | setting the the target release to testing does essentially nothing when you upgrade frequently, as the default priority for uninstalled packages even from non-target releases trumps that of already-installed packages |
| 03:57.48 | plugd | (which is kinda odd I think, but anyway) |
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| 03:58.54 | plugd | this is why setting target to "testing", having both "testing" and "unstable" in your source.list and upgrading frequently leaves you with only packages from the "unstable" release |
| 03:59.14 | plugd | pinning "unstable" to <100 fixes this of course |
| 03:59.38 | plugd | anyway, thanks for your help |
| 03:59.45 | zareliman | how do you make a program executable by it's command ? like swiftweasel ? |
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| 04:02.49 | plugd | zareliman: put it in your execution path. |
| 04:03.22 | zareliman | I downloaded swiftweasel tgz |
| 04:03.34 | zareliman | extracted it |
| 04:03.59 | zareliman | I have to cp to the /usr/bin/ the executable ? |
| 04:04.44 | plugd | zareliman: what's swiftweasel? |
| 04:05.01 | zareliman | its an optimized version of iceweasel firefox |
| 04:05.13 | zareliman | pretty fast indeed |
| 04:05.19 | zareliman | and 3.5.2 |
| 04:06.05 | zareliman | (I need 3.5.2 because I use weave addon) |
| 04:06.16 | plugd | zareliman: if you don't have a package, best put it somewhere under /usr/local so that you can keep track of it and other manually installed programs |
| 04:06.55 | zareliman | plugd: already did that |
| 04:07.14 | zareliman | plugd: but I know you can do something to be able to run the program |
| 04:07.30 | zareliman | plugd: right from the alt + f2 |
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| 04:07.47 | plugd | zareliman: huh? alt + f2? |
| 04:08.11 | plugd | zareliman: is your executable in /usr/local/bin? |
| 04:08.31 | zareliman | plugd: nope, I must copy the executable file ? |
| 04:08.53 | plugd | zareliman: where did you untar everything? the exact path |
| 04:09.07 | zareliman | plugd: now's at home |
| 04:09.16 | zareliman | home/zareliman (my path) |
| 04:09.34 | zareliman | however Im not using it yet, want to "install" it |
| 04:09.58 | plugd | zareliman: where did you get the archive? does it contain binaries? |
| 04:10.05 | zareliman | yeah |
| 04:10.11 | zareliman | it is executable |
| 04:10.15 | zareliman | no need to compile |
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| 04:11.38 | plugd | zareliman: If it's similar to the firefox tarballs that you grab from www.firefox.com, just untar it in (for example) /usr/local/lib/swiftweasel |
| 04:11.39 | zareliman | plugd: http://download.tuxfamily.org/swiftweasel/swiftweasel-35/3.5.2-tar.gz/ |
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| 04:12.12 | zareliman | and it should respond to the command "swiftweasel" ? |
| 04:12.20 | zareliman | or should I add it manually ? |
| 04:12.35 | plugd | zareliman: then, from /usr/bin/local enter "sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/swiftweasel/swiftweasel" |
| 04:12.51 | zareliman | ok |
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| 04:12.58 | zareliman | going to try that |
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| 04:14.05 | FenrirReturns | I'm trying to change my default terminal emulator to a customized aterm. I've set my choices in ~/.Xdefaults adn they work fine when I run aterm, but even though /etc/x-terminal-emulator is symlinked to /usr/bin/aterm my .Xdefaults don't seem to take effect. Any ideas? |
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| 04:16.24 | dec3pti0n | i just got lenny installed and for some reason my gnome vpn manager (vpnc) won't come up ! |
| 04:16.26 | purplepenguins | FenrirReturns: did you reload your .Xdefault file? |
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| 04:16.40 | purplepenguins | dec3pti0n: is vpnc installed? |
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| 04:16.49 | dec3pti0n | yeah |
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| 04:17.17 | FenrirReturns | purplepenguins: Yes and it works if I just run aterm manually, but not when I run x-terminal-emulator, even though its symlinked to aterm. |
| 04:17.27 | purplepenguins | dec3pti0n: and is the vpnc network-manager plugin installed too? |
| 04:17.49 | purplepenguins | FenrirReturns: that is odd |
| 04:18.56 | purplepenguins | dec3pti0n: i don't actually know how it's set up on lenny since the last time i used the vpnc plugin was on ubuntu intrepid |
| 04:19.12 | dec3pti0n | purplepenguins, i have vpnc, network-manager-vpnc and network-manager-vpnc-gnome installed |
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| 04:19.39 | purplepenguins | dec3pti0n: and it's not under the nm-applet? |
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| 04:19.49 | purplepenguins | under the vpn tab? |
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| 04:28.32 | lru | when writing udev rules, what values am I matching against? The UEVENT kernel event as listed in the udevmonitor output, or the UDEV event? |
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| 04:31.23 | dec3pti0n | do i need to restart gnome or something to get this thing started up ? |
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| 04:33.58 | purplepenguins | dec3pti0n: if you installed after starting gnome, then yes probably |
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| 04:37.05 | dec3pti0n | nope , do difference there |
| 04:37.09 | dec3pti0n | s/do/no |
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| 04:50.25 | man_in_ltop | yay |
| 04:50.42 | man_in_ltop | i set gfxpayload in /etc/grub.d/00_* |
| 04:50.53 | man_in_ltop | now i have a stupidly insanely high vesa console :D |
| 04:51.31 | empiric1 | guys i am running debain etch my openldap is 2.3.30 i want to upgrad it to openldap2.4 |
| 04:51.38 | empiric1 | any idea what i have to do? |
| 04:51.44 | empiric1 | for only openldap upgrade |
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| 04:52.49 | nsadmin | empiric1: got data in it? |
| 04:52.59 | empiric1 | yes |
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| 04:53.23 | deadlyallance647 | whats a good channel to find help for noob programing |
| 04:53.25 | nsadmin | then your first step is to back it up, probably by producing an ldif |
| 04:53.25 | empiric1 | i ahve live server runing mail , dns , apache2 , php5 on that machine all linked with ldap |
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| 04:53.41 | man_in_ltop | so now i have a problem with a bluetooth mouse |
| 04:53.44 | nsadmin | deadlyallance647: there's a language called noob?! |
| 04:53.50 | man_in_ltop | xorg seems to think it's a synaptics touchpad |
| 04:54.18 | deadlyallance647 | nsadmin i just a level of skill |
| 04:54.42 | nsadmin | deadlyallance647: get a copy of squeak and learn from that |
| 04:54.58 | deadlyallance647 | nsadmin thanks will go take a lok |
| 04:55.00 | deadlyallance647 | look |
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| 04:57.14 | nsadmin | http://www.squeak.org/ |
| 04:58.08 | nsadmin | I mean, all you said so far is you want to learn programming... you haven't said anything about what your goals are |
| 04:59.18 | man_in_ltop | programs a tool to teach deadlyallance647 how to program |
| 04:59.47 | nsadmin | oh no, one of those tools from tool academy?! |
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| 05:03.11 | magyar | hi, where can i get firmware-iwlwifi for squeeze? |
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| 05:03.40 | man_in_ltop | magyar: non-free, at a guess |
| 05:04.19 | magyar | man_in_ltop: i dont have it there |
| 05:04.45 | stew | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 05:04.46 | judd | stew: firmware-iwlwifi -- etch/non-free: 0.4+etchnhalf.1 etch-backports/non-free: 0.13~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 0.13 sid/non-free: 0.14 lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny1 lenny-backports/non-free: 0.17~bpo50+1 sid/non-free: 0.18 squeeze/non-free: 0.18 |
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| 05:06.00 | man_in_ltop | this is annoying. xorg is trying synaptics touchpad driver for this mouse but not a regular mouse driver |
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| 05:07.59 | benjamindees | do you have a touchpad? |
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| 05:08.11 | empiric1 | nsadmin? |
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| 05:15.30 | man_in_ltop | benjamindees: yes, but it's being picked up (by evdev in the kernel) as a generic ImExplorer or something like that |
| 05:15.51 | ajavid | hm |
| 05:16.09 | ajavid | which mouse protocol does it use? |
| 05:16.18 | ajavid | Im == imps2 |
| 05:16.19 | ajavid | ? |
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| 05:18.16 | man_in_ltop | evtest report for touchpad: 'Input device name: "ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse"' |
| 05:19.51 | man_in_ltop | evtest report for bluetooth mouse: 'Input device name: "MoGo Mouse X54"' |
| 05:19.54 | man_in_ltop | ajavid: this helping? |
| 05:20.05 | ajavid | hm |
| 05:20.18 | man_in_ltop | also note, gpm picks up the bluetooth mouse fine |
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| 05:20.27 | man_in_ltop | on /dev/input/mice |
| 05:20.40 | ajavid | the gears are spinning. |
| 05:21.17 | man_in_ltop | but the clutch is down |
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| 05:21.40 | dancor | can i just reinstall grub to my hd from the debian installer |
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| 05:24.22 | ajavid | I can't think of anything |
| 05:24.23 | ajavid | sorry |
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| 05:24.30 | ajavid | man_in_ltop, |
| 05:24.39 | mhymn | dancor: /msg dpkg rescue |
| 05:24.49 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 05:24.53 | man_in_ltop | thanks anyway |
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| 05:35.39 | antrik | hi |
| 05:36.02 | antrik | after the X upgrade in testing, xauth doesn't work anymore |
| 05:36.32 | antrik | no matter what I do, I get "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" when running any X clients from another machine |
| 05:36.37 | antrik | any ideas? |
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| 05:38.11 | ajavid | yeh |
| 05:38.23 | ajavid | something wrong with your ~/.Xauthority file |
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| 05:38.39 | haowan | debian gcc version ? |
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| 05:39.37 | ajavid | !xauth |
| 05:39.37 | dpkg | xauth is probably the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 05:39.47 | ajavid | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 05:39.47 | dpkg | a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
| 05:40.11 | ajavid | try xhost + (hehehe) no not really |
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| 05:41.03 | ajavid | antrik, xhost + ip.of.client.machien |
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| 05:41.08 | ajavid | antrik, try again |
| 05:41.20 | antrik | xhost works |
| 05:41.26 | antrik | xauth doesn't |
| 05:41.35 | jmarsden | antrik: I'm not an expert, but xauth info and xauth list might give you clues about the state of xauth? |
| 05:41.35 | antrik | it *used* to work, until the upgrade |
| 05:41.54 | ajavid | do youhave xbase-clients installed? |
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| 05:42.40 | antrik | yes, xbase-clients is installed |
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| 05:43.14 | ajavid | antrik, xauth list |
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| 05:43.34 | antrik | olaf@sky:~$ xauth list |
| 05:43.34 | antrik | sky.local/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 d45d8e32d2502ce652e63cacd4c93447 |
| 05:43.34 | antrik | sky.local:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 d45d8e32d2502ce652e63cacd4c93447 |
| 05:43.42 | JNSamuel | cookies |
| 05:43.49 | JNSamuel | yummy |
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| 05:44.07 | antrik | (unfortunately, I never checked how it looked before -- it just worked, so I didn't bother...) |
| 05:44.14 | ajavid | its alright |
| 05:44.42 | ajavid | antrik, make sure your xwserver host is exported for DISPLAU |
| 05:45.09 | ajavid | antrik, export DISPLAY=ip.of.x.server:0 |
| 05:45.30 | ajavid | antrik, on the client, xauth add sky.local/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 d45d8e32d2502ce652e63cacd4c93447 |
| 05:45.53 | ajavid | sorry |
| 05:46.07 | ajavid | sky.local:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 d45d8e32d2502ce652e63cacd4c93447 <- this |
| 05:46.08 | ajavid | Ithink... |
| 05:46.35 | ajavid | I can't remember. |
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| 05:47.03 | ajavid | antrik, yes, don't add the /unix:0 domain |
| 05:47.12 | ajavid | antrik, you want the inet domain added to client xauth |
| 05:47.19 | ajavid | iirc... |
| 05:47.59 | ajavid | also consult man xauth |
| 05:48.09 | antrik | not sure what you mean |
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| 05:48.44 | antrik | I have shared home directory, so I shouldn't need to explicitely transfer the cookie |
| 05:49.10 | ajavid | Xauth requires the account on the remote machine to know a secret cookie for your display called an MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE* |
| 05:49.12 | antrik | (but I tried with a non-shared setup as well, same effect) |
| 05:49.35 | ajavid | If the remote user knows this can have complete access to the local display |
| 05:50.01 | ajavid | shared home? |
| 05:50.08 | ajavid | on a diff ip? using same authority file |
| 05:50.11 | ajavid | no wonder. |
| 05:50.54 | antrik | why? this always used to work. I don't see why it shouldn't... |
| 05:51.07 | antrik | (and again, I tried different setups too) |
| 05:51.09 | ajavid | I don't know |
| 05:51.14 | ajavid | this is all I know. good luck |
| 05:52.58 | antrik | :-( |
| 05:53.28 | antrik | well, thanks anyways |
| 05:53.33 | ajavid | welcome |
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| 05:56.13 | ajavid | for options in ('host', 'port', 'path', 'log'): print config.get('fakemail', options) ;) |
| 05:56.18 | ajavid | yes!I got it! |
| 05:56.26 | ajavid | fakemail has been hacked for debian, hopefully soon i can finish it up |
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| 05:56.39 | ajavid | configparser and optparse are fucking brilliant. |
| 05:57.12 | ajavid | man that was easy, hard part is to satisfy policy on an smtpd :) |
| 05:57.16 | ajavid | heh. |
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| 05:57.34 | ajavid | its not an MTA so I do't have to provide any virtual packags for it or alternatives |
| 05:58.01 | ajavid | and it can't absolutely conflict with any other MTA in debian |
| 05:58.27 | ajavid | I am also providing a ~/.fakemail.conf which is read first, and if not present, /etc/fakemail.conf is read and now my /etc/init.d/fakemail script is lean and fucking clean :) |
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| 05:58.48 | ajavid | lean mean emailin' machine! |
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| 06:00.18 | ajavid | I am still providing command line options via optparse, so its overridable, and I suppose I could allow the user to run it directly too? I dunno about tha tone |
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| 06:15.29 | ajavid | !popcon |
| 06:15.29 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 06:17.24 | tawan | I would like to share my /var/cache/apt between 2 Debains on the same drive (alternate boots) so that updates and new programs are only downloaded once |
| 06:17.35 | tawan | just mount /var/cache/apt of one, into /var/cache/apt of the other? |
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| 06:18.55 | ajavid | export via nfs-kernel-server |
| 06:19.36 | ajavid | export from A to B, on B mount it to /var/cache/apt |
| 06:19.42 | ajavid | but.. you don't need to do all that |
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| 06:19.56 | ajavid | !apt-cacher |
| 06:19.56 | dpkg | [apt-cacher] a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/, or a nifty tool, or see <apt-proxy>, or ask me about <apt-cacher-ng> |
| 06:20.20 | tawan | ajavid, ok reading thanks ; |
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| 06:20.41 | ajavid | np |
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| 06:34.03 | tawan | good stuff |
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| 06:38.18 | Gryfelhase | Hi. I'm using debian lenny and I've installed VirtualBox (1.6.6) for usniong win2k. But installing guest additions fails. any hints ? |
| 06:38.30 | Gryfelhase | gr.... for using |
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| 06:48.08 | the-dude | Gryfelhase: did you check modules and are you granted? |
| 06:48.58 | Gryfelhase | check what modules ? |
| 06:49.12 | Gryfelhase | I just found a link and download the iso manual |
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| 06:49.40 | Gryfelhase | the downloaded iso was only 245 bytes in size |
| 06:49.53 | Gryfelhase | the manual one has 9 mb, what is more likely |
| 06:50.17 | benjamindees | guess |
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| 06:53.11 | the-dude | Gryfelhase: you need to load a module before it works |
| 06:53.26 | the-dude | vboxdrv |
| 06:54.03 | Gryfelhase | the-dude, : Now, without vboxdrv virtualbox doesn't start at all |
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| 06:54.29 | Gryfelhase | I did install w2k and servicepack+rollups already, and with this manual found iso-image it works now |
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| 06:54.41 | the-dude | Gryfelhase: then whats the problem? |
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| 06:55.20 | Gryfelhase | That "Download guestadditions1.6.6.iso from internet" didn't worked, createt a 245 byte sized iso, but did nothing |
| 06:56.05 | Gryfelhase | I found via google the correct iso, that works now |
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| 06:58.00 | benjamindees | open the 245 byte file and read how it says "404: Page not found" |
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| 07:25.32 | darkham | how can i build a livecd with nvidia 96 inside? |
| 07:27.29 | hjb2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:33.39 | bpun | darkham, i believe the debian live cd site explains that in a wiki or something.. |
| 07:33.55 | darkham | bpun: thanx |
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| 07:59.16 | lindylex | Hello ALL: I just reinstall Debian 5.0 two time and every time I try to log in the password does not work for root or the main user. |
| 07:59.30 | lindylex | Why is this happening and how can I fix it? |
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| 08:00.44 | SPF | lindylex: how do you login, remotely? |
| 08:01.10 | lindylex | SPF: I am sitting right in front of it. |
| 08:01.42 | SPF | are you sure you only have 1 linux installation on the system? |
| 08:02.15 | lindylex | yes |
| 08:02.20 | lindylex | only one |
| 08:02.34 | lindylex | a nes fresh install two times I reinstalled it |
| 08:03.14 | SPF | during installation you set the password |
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| 08:03.21 | SPF | it must be differend from the installation |
| 08:03.24 | lindylex | yes correct |
| 08:03.34 | SPF | so you forgot it? |
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| 08:03.48 | lindylex | SPF nope it is to easy to forget LOL |
| 08:04.06 | SPF | maybe it didn't accept the easy password |
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| 08:04.14 | lindylex | it never does that |
| 08:04.25 | ajavid | i click on pdf firefox go pooey |
| 08:04.26 | ajavid | :( |
| 08:04.55 | SPF | lindylex: I would reboot from cdrom in rescue mode and reset the password |
| 08:05.06 | SPF | try if that works |
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| 08:05.24 | lindylex | SPF: Is that available on the live cd? Should I use Knopix? |
| 08:05.32 | lindylex | or puppy? |
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| 08:06.04 | lindylex | Ajavid: type this in your browser "about:plugins" and search for the plugin that handles pdf and tell us what it is. |
| 08:06.07 | SPF | lindylex: you can use any distro, but I think it must be the same as your installed arch, like x86 |
| 08:06.15 | lindylex | yep |
| 08:06.19 | ajavid | ok |
| 08:06.48 | SPF | lindylex: I don't know any tools to reset the password, I always do it manually |
| 08:07.17 | lindylex | SPF: I have no idea how to reset the password esither with a live cd |
| 08:07.37 | ajavid | hi |
| 08:07.43 | ajavid | I click about:plugins |
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| 08:07.52 | ajavid | I do ctrl+f and type in pdf |
| 08:07.54 | ajavid | nothing found |
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| 08:08.25 | lindylex | maybe you have no plugin to handle pdf files |
| 08:08.31 | ajavid | but it crash |
| 08:08.33 | lindylex | you should install one one sec |
| 08:08.35 | ajavid | I had to kill it |
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| 08:08.38 | SPF | lindylex: I think there are lots of guides on google |
| 08:08.39 | ajavid | no its ok |
| 08:08.45 | lindylex | ok |
| 08:08.51 | ajavid | I have it ascociated to open pdf files in kpdf |
| 08:08.53 | lindylex | SPF will look now |
| 08:08.53 | ajavid | I use kde |
| 08:09.04 | ajavid | but i click the pdf link and it freeze |
| 08:09.16 | ajavid | its ok now |
| 08:09.19 | lindylex | you might want to try a different plugin and see if i still breaks |
| 08:09.23 | ajavid | its not a plugin |
| 08:09.27 | ajavid | firefox opens external app |
| 08:09.34 | lindylex | yep i know |
| 08:09.42 | ajavid | nope its fine now |
| 08:09.50 | ajavid | I guest firefox must have just needed to fart |
| 08:09.53 | lindylex | it it freezes then it might be the external app. |
| 08:09.57 | ajavid | damn flatulance. |
| 08:10.03 | ajavid | no kde 3.5.10 on lenny stable as rock |
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| 08:21.29 | lindylex | SPF: thanks that should not be that easy. I reset root password using the blog http://digitalpbk.blogspot.com/2009/03/reset-root-password-linux-fedora-debian.html |
| 08:22.58 | ajavid | !forgot root password |
| 08:22.59 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 08:23.10 | ajavid | lindylex, you may also find this useful |
| 08:23.16 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 08:23.16 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 08:23.34 | lindylex | Ajavid thanks that is exactly what i did |
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| 08:26.40 | CodeNinja | is there a way to set screen as the default 'shell' on my remote host? |
| 08:26.49 | CodeNinja | at least for my user |
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| 08:29.05 | Grof | AFAIK screen isn't a shell |
| 08:29.35 | CodeNinja | thats why I quoted shell |
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| 08:30.06 | Grof | u can always run it from your shell's startup script |
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| 08:30.36 | SlayerXP | CodeNinja: when I typed your question into google, i was presented with several interesting pages on this very topic. |
| 08:30.37 | Grof | here's an interesting link: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20021114055617124 |
| 08:30.40 | Grof | y |
| 08:30.52 | SlayerXP | CodeNinja: perhaps google is illegal where you live? |
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| 08:30.58 | Grof | http://www.google.com/search?q=screen+as+default+shell |
| 08:31.05 | Grof | :D |
| 08:31.07 | CodeNinja | facedesk |
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| 08:31.30 | CodeNinja | its 2:30am, last minute idea, figured it was a quick answer |
| 08:31.59 | nevyn | CodeNinja: umm with reattach on connect? |
| 08:32.14 | SlayerXP | CodeNinja: it's always wrong to assume that our time is less valuable than yours when it comes to answering simple questions. |
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| 08:32.36 | nevyn | CodeNinja: you could do it in a shell startup script run screen -r check the return code if fail then start screen. |
| 08:33.20 | nevyn | stops designing solutions |
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| 08:33.29 | Grof | there's a nice script on macosxhints page |
| 08:33.38 | Grof | prints out all your detached screens |
| 08:33.44 | Grof | when u login |
| 08:33.49 | Grof | so u dont forget about them |
| 08:34.06 | Mandor | I'm running Debian lenny with kde 3.x goodness. Weird thing: I sometimes get a "shadow" window that I can't get rid of. xkill doesn't help. xrefresh doesn't make it go away. killing kdesktop and kwin and restarting them doesn't help. So far, I've had to log out and log back in. |
| 08:34.18 | Mandor | Any ideas? |
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| 08:36.21 | Mandor | To reproduce the problem, start xine, and in the xine control window, press "h" and then "q". You should now have a semi-transparent window on your screen that won't go away. |
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| 08:37.34 | Mandor | Again, xrefresh and xkill don't help. |
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| 08:39.52 | Mandor | I suspect that this has something to do with how X11 does video overlay, but I'm not sufficiently familiar with X11 internals to figure out how to fix or workaround. |
| 08:40.17 | Mandor | Ideas? |
| 08:40.18 | simonrvn | could be h/w related too |
| 08:40.46 | Mandor | OK. |
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| 08:40.49 | Mandor | Any ideas on how to fix? |
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| 08:41.15 | reber | hi all |
| 08:41.23 | Mandor | I doubt it's a simple hardware problem because when I log out and log back in, the problem is gone. |
| 08:41.25 | simonrvn | could be a xine bug |
| 08:41.52 | reber | emacs segfaults with ecb (ecb-activate), and without any .emacs file, on debian/squeeze. Ideas ? |
| 08:41.55 | Mandor | I'm sure a xine bug is triggering it, but I'm more concerned with how to clear the state. |
| 08:41.59 | simonrvn | could be a combo bug: x + xine = bug triggered in one of them or both |
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| 08:42.57 | Mandor | Yes, combo bug. The more serious problem is in X11; no matter what xine does, x11 should protect me from xine. |
| 08:43.04 | Mandor | So how do I clear the state? |
| 08:43.17 | Mandor | In the old days, xrefresh could clear up any program's mess. |
| 08:43.21 | linXea | Hm.. Hi guys.. Been a while since I did this.. How do I install falshplugin-nonfree ?? I've added contrib non-free in source.list but still dosent work with "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 08:44.01 | reber | i got warnings about fonts (unable to load any usable ISO8859 font), then emacs segfault. Ideas how to install these fonts on debian ? |
| 08:44.07 | simonrvn | Mandor: you said xrefresh doesn't do it anymore. i'd go check the bts for both and see if anyone else is havign this. |
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| 08:44.50 | EugenMayer | Helllo. Is there a debian way to change the mysql maintainance password and not editing /etc/mysql/debian.cnf by hand? |
| 08:45.44 | nsadmin | EugenMayer: I'm guessing there'd be something in /usr/share/doc/*mysql*/ |
| 08:45.47 | simonrvn | reber: what kind of fonts? |
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| 08:47.47 | Mandor | simonrvn: fair enough. |
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| 08:47.53 | reber | simonrvn, i got a warning in emacs, when trying to run ecb, saying : WARNING : unable to load any usable ISO8859 font. Then emacs segfaults. Dunnon if segfault is related to this warning, but i could give it a try, hm ? |
| 08:49.22 | simonrvn | that doesn't answer my question because i was unclear: my kinf of fonts, as in ttf, bcf, pcf, what? |
| 08:49.39 | simonrvn | erm, s,my kinf,what kind, |
| 08:49.44 | Mandor | simonrvn: can you (or anyone else here) reproduce the problem on your rig? Want to make sure it's not something specific to my rig before reporting the bug. |
| 08:49.48 | simonrvn | i'm tired.. |
| 08:50.07 | simonrvn | Mandor: sec |
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| 08:52.42 | Mandor | Definitely tied to at least X acceleration. I tried the xine thing on a vnc server and the problem didn't reproduce. Which is pretty much what I feared. |
| 08:53.17 | Mandor | Then again, the vnc server was running sawfish rather than KDE. |
| 08:53.34 | maxagaz | how to wget something from another gateway than the default gateway ? |
| 08:53.41 | simonrvn | could be a kwin issue too |
| 08:53.55 | Mandor | simonrvn: possible, but unlikely. It persists even after I kill kwin. |
| 08:54.03 | simonrvn | mm ok |
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| 08:54.25 | Mandor | Although I could always kill kwin, start a sawfish, and see if the problem persists. |
| 08:55.04 | sep | maxagaz, a host route while you run wget ? or are there traffic on other protocols that should not be affected ? |
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| 08:56.31 | simonrvn | it didn't do that here |
| 08:56.35 | maxagaz | sep, i have a fast internet connection used as default gateway, and a secure one, slow, in case the other doesn't work, the thing is that the fast one being the default, i can never use the other one, i'd like to use it for special purpose |
| 08:56.59 | maxagaz | sep, the slow one works, it's just not the default one |
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| 08:57.16 | Mandor | maxagaz: does the slow one run a proxy? IIRC, wget has support for various proxy stuff. |
| 08:57.31 | maxagaz | Mandor, no, it doesn't |
| 08:57.32 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.26 | Mandor | maxagaz: then you need a route, as simonrvn said. Sorry. |
| 08:58.46 | simonrvn | you mean sep ;) |
| 08:58.57 | Mandor | Er. Yes, sep. :) |
| 08:59.22 | maxagaz | sep, Mandor, actually, i'd like to tell some application to use a given gateway |
| 08:59.57 | Mandor | maxagaz: applications are not aware of routing in general. |
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| 09:01.08 | Mandor | maxagaz: that's a blessing/curse of the OSI model. |
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| 09:01.48 | maxagaz | Mandor, then they use a port which i should redirect with iptables perhaps ? |
| 09:01.53 | Mandor | maxagaz: if you have multiple interfaces, you can try the --bind-address=ADDRESS |
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| 09:02.52 | Mandor | maxagaz: as sep said, if you have a particular destination that is better through a non-default link, that's exactly what routing is made for. |
| 09:03.02 | Mandor | s/link/gateway/ |
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| 09:03.50 | Mandor | maxagaz: although you should also understand that you only control the routing outbound. If you aren't using separate interfaces, the other end can route back to you using its own routing criteria. |
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| 09:04.07 | inckie | apt-get source <-- can you do anything similar when you only have det .deb package? |
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| 09:05.04 | Mandor | maxagaz: when you're doing downloads, you probably care more about the routing back to you then you care about your outbound routing. |
| 09:05.58 | Mandor | maxagaz: exactly what problem are you trying to solve? I.e. why do you prefer the "slow" gateway? |
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| 09:08.04 | inckie | anyone have a really userfriendly guide for building your own packages from source ? |
| 09:08.22 | Emery | Any ideas on which package i need to install for ... error: X11/Xlib.h |
| 09:08.29 | chellomere | !tell inckie about nm |
| 09:08.38 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 09:08.38 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 09:08.52 | chellomere | ah yes, that's what I wanted |
| 09:09.06 | simonrvn | !nm |
| 09:09.06 | dpkg | [nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
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| 09:09.27 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 09:09.35 | simonrvn | chellomere: i remember yor nick from years ago, i think in here too |
| 09:09.39 | simonrvn | your* |
| 09:09.39 | echosystm | what repos do i need to get basically everything? |
| 09:09.47 | echosystm | is it just main and security? |
| 09:09.53 | echosystm | whats "volatile" ? |
| 09:10.15 | chellomere | simonrvn, can't be me, I switched recently, former nick was Eulex |
| 09:10.20 | valdyn | !volatile |
| 09:10.20 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 09:10.23 | sep | echosystm, things that change so often they are pointless to try to keep stable, and can blow up in your face. |
| 09:10.26 | simonrvn | main, contrib, non-free; then there's bpo, and volatile |
| 09:10.52 | themill | echosystm: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+volatile |
| 09:10.55 | simonrvn | chellomere: hm ok heh. how are you? |
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| 09:11.16 | inckie | chellomere that wasn't really help imo :( |
| 09:11.17 | echosystm | hm, my ISP doesnt seem to mirror it |
| 09:11.33 | chellomere | simonrvn, well except this damn cold I'm fine. and you? |
| 09:11.48 | tuv | how do mount an nfs share automatically only if i'm connected to a certain network? |
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| 09:12.03 | chellomere | inckie, the nm guide is the best official guide. if you want to package for debian, this is what you should read. |
| 09:12.28 | themill | inckie: I suspect that we don't really understand your question, in that case. |
| 09:13.11 | omry|work | how do I configure ntpd to run as a server? |
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| 09:15.19 | maxagaz | Mandor, i want to use the slow gateway for personal needs with some application, without influence speed on the fast one |
| 09:15.20 | valdyn | omry|work: it is a server |
| 09:15.25 | simonrvn | chellomere: i'm ok. i hope your cold runs out fast |
| 09:15.26 | inckie | themill i have to build a source package from old version apache and make sure i works with lenny |
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| 09:15.32 | buzzybron | hello |
| 09:16.21 | buzzybron | hi i have a setup in the data centre which does not have a connection to the internet, it is behind a firewall |
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| 09:16.54 | buzzybron | the instance of the debian is from a Lenny installtion CD, but it does not have Mysql packages |
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| 09:17.23 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 09:17.23 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 09:17.52 | themill | inckie: you'll need to get the source package from somewhere (dget from devscripts with the URL for the .dsc file is the easiest way) and then most likely fiddle with the compilation options. /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 09:18.36 | omry|work | valdyn, got it. what misled me was that I didn't see it listening on any ports, but my default netstat command was set to show only tcp :) |
| 09:19.23 | buzzybron | apt offline? |
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| 09:19.40 | valdyn | buzzybron: ask dpkg, not us |
| 09:19.56 | buzzybron | dpkg:apt offline? |
| 09:19.56 | dpkg | somebody said apt offline was To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 09:20.05 | linXea | Hi... where do I add libflashplayer.so to get flash10 working in epiphany ? |
| 09:20.34 | valdyn | linXea: ~/firefox/plugins/ |
| 09:20.48 | valdyn | linXea: ~/.firefox/plugins/ even |
| 09:20.48 | linXea | valdyn: oh, so same as iceweasel :) |
| 09:21.11 | linXea | tanks a lot.. works great |
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| 09:21.18 | buzzybron | valdyn: so how do i use apt-zip and install mysql with it? |
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| 09:21.42 | valdyn | buzzybron: You start by reading the documentation |
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| 09:22.56 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to use vncviewer to connect to the vnc server of a macosx machine? |
| 09:23.07 | valdyn | FilipeMaia: sure |
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| 09:23.46 | buzzybron | valdyn: thank you! |
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| 09:24.07 | FilipeMaia | valdyn, because i can't. I don't get anything back when i send my password. And i don't know how to send my username |
| 09:27.01 | flower | strange problem: |
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| 09:27.33 | flower | _ /etc/security/limits.conf > http://pastebin.com/m455e60c5 |
| 09:27.54 | buzzybron | hmm i am getting a package broken message when i try to do a aptitude install mysql-server |
| 09:27.55 | flower | $ ulimit -l |
| 09:28.03 | buzzybron | how should i resolve it? |
| 09:28.04 | flower | unlimited |
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| 09:28.47 | flower | it doesn't pick the value: @audio - memlock 970215 |
| 09:28.57 | flower | also logout and in doesn't fix it |
| 09:29.01 | flower | also reboot not |
| 09:29.13 | flower | has something changed in the policykit or something? |
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| 09:36.15 | CoolCold | hi |
| 09:36.15 | echosystm | im installing eclipse manually because.. well... the repo copy is over 2 years old |
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| 09:36.20 | echosystm | where should i put it? |
| 09:36.23 | Letharion | I have a computer with some dns issues, so it doesn't find the mirrors. I'm trying to install gdb, and have downloaded the package manually, where to I place it so that aptitude can find it? |
| 09:36.33 | echosystm | wheres the standard folder for java apps |
| 09:36.49 | valdyn | Letharion: dpkg -i gdb*deb |
| 09:37.12 | valdyn | Letharion: or place it at /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 09:37.15 | nsadmin | echosystm: you don't want to put it anywhere debian controls |
| 09:37.32 | echosystm | ~/.eclipse/ ? |
| 09:37.35 | valdyn | judd: versions eclipse |
| 09:37.35 | judd | valdyn: eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4 lenny: 3.2.2-6.1 squeeze: 3.2.2-6.1 sid: 3.4.1-1 |
| 09:37.45 | valdyn | i dont think eclipse 3.4 is over 2 years old |
| 09:37.52 | echosystm | thats sid |
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| 09:38.06 | echosystm | im running lenny |
| 09:38.06 | echosystm | anyway, i want the latest one |
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| 09:38.16 | echosystm | it doesnt make sense to run anything less than 3.5 |
| 09:38.19 | echosystm | (for me) |
| 09:38.33 | valdyn | echosystm: you best place it at ~/mystuff/ or similar |
| 09:38.34 | nsadmin | echosystm: doesn't make sense? it's just an editor |
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| 09:38.56 | echosystm | yes but i dont want to have to deal with plugins that no longer work with 3.4 |
| 09:38.56 | Letharion | valdyn: Thank you very much. Placed in the archives dir and it worked great. |
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| 09:39.37 | CoolCold | guys, i need consulation about apt's pins |
| 09:39.51 | CoolCold | i wanna specify different priorities to different repos for the same package |
| 09:39.54 | themill | echosystm: fwiw, eclipse 3.5 will probably hit sid in a couple of weeks' time now that it's actually possible to compile it on debian. |
| 09:39.58 | CoolCold | but got stucked on http://pastebin.com/m227741f1 |
| 09:40.20 | OpenTokix | CoolCold: Cans, worms, everywhere |
| 09:40.32 | OpenTokix | CoolCold: I think you confuse debian with centos. - Why on earth would you wannado that? |
| 09:40.41 | nsadmin | themill: what makes it possible? source? |
| 09:42.03 | CoolCold | OpenTokix: i have 2 my own repos, say coolcold-etch & coolcold-etch-stable |
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| 09:42.53 | CoolCold | so i wanna make some packages, let's call it blablabla to be installed from etch-stable by default, even if in 'etch' there is a newer version |
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| 09:43.22 | themill | CoolCold: that's obviously not your entire preferences file through. Can you pastebin the entire file please. |
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| 09:44.54 | CoolCold | well, this is it, i'm just training on collectd |
| 09:44.57 | echosystm | what do you mean compile it on debian? |
| 09:45.03 | echosystm | its a java ap, you can just download it an run |
| 09:45.12 | echosystm | i was just wondering where you put it, thats all |
| 09:45.28 | valdyn | echosystm: wrong |
| 09:45.29 | themill | echosystm: debian still needs to be able to compile the java source for you |
| 09:45.51 | echosystm | ive never compiled eclipse |
| 09:45.59 | echosystm | and ive run it on linux many times |
| 09:45.59 | echosystm | ? |
| 09:45.59 | valdyn | echosystm: the eclipse package does contain binaries, they're just shipped |
| 09:46.04 | CoolCold | themill: all goes fine if i specify just one pin for package |
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| 09:46.28 | CoolCold | but two pins.. |
| 09:46.36 | valdyn | echosystm: ( the upstream eclipse packages does contain binaries ) |
| 09:46.48 | themill | CoolCold: pinning "stable" at 600 and "lenny-backports" at 550 will work fine for you. btw pinning is rather quirky... /msg dpkg pinning |
| 09:46.53 | echosystm | i didnt know they had to compile it |
| 09:46.55 | echosystm | why is that? |
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| 09:47.10 | echosystm | why couldnt they just use the compiled version on the website |
| 09:47.27 | themill | echosystm: debian doesn't give you anything that doesn't have source code available to allow you to make changes and improvements and then recompile it |
| 09:48.06 | echosystm | right |
| 09:48.09 | themill | the source code for eclipse is *not* easily available and it does *not* compile easily. Eclipse doesn't seem to care about linux or linux distributors at all. |
| 09:48.25 | echosystm | i always thought eclipse was outdated was because of SWT dependencies |
| 09:52.03 | silidan | hi i have a problem with choppy sound on my system (debian sid, but this problem i have on every linux distro i tried), this is the output of cat /proc/interrupts : http://pastebin.com/d449bbe1c |
| 09:52.58 | silidan | my soundcard is on irq 18 sis7012 |
| 09:53.34 | silidan | also when i boot i get an bios bug timer blabla not connected to IO-ACPI... |
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| 09:57.11 | silidan | o sorry i dont mean acpi but apic |
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| 09:59.49 | daniele_982 | hello all sameone knows same good tool for see log in web with statiscs or other (for example analog) |
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| 10:02.46 | MoLoToV | hi to all i have a problem with virtualbox: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} someone can help me? |
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| 10:06.57 | nsadmin | daniele_982 what about analog? |
| 10:07.39 | daniele_982 | nsadmin: analog analyze log and show the reports in a web page |
| 10:07.52 | daniele_982 | i search samething that is better than analog |
| 10:08.16 | nsadmin | "better"? what does that mean? |
| 10:08.19 | nsadmin | !better |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 10:09.31 | CoolCold | themill: may be i'm doing smth wrong, but has no luck |
| 10:09.46 | nsadmin | !best |
| 10:09.46 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:10.16 | nsadmin | ok, so that one didn't make sense... |
| 10:10.23 | daniele_982 | nsadmin: better beacause the information shows of analog are cumulativa for example i can see the traffic for hour but not for single days |
| 10:11.23 | CoolCold | themill: pin definition which goes last, wins |
| 10:11.51 | themill | CoolCold: http://pastebin.ca/1569482 should be all you need to make sure you normally only get updates from stable but you any packages from backports.org will be updated from backports.org when updates are available. |
| 10:12.41 | CoolCold | themill: well, and on per-package basis? |
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| 10:20.02 | FilipeMaia | Any idea where the opengl man pages are? |
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| 10:21.27 | themill | CoolCold: you don't need to define two pins for the same package. One is sufficient |
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| 10:24.00 | smtx | hi there, i gotta weird problem i am currently installing asterisk on debian 5.0 but i dont have a /dev/dsp device. i found out its related to audio but in lspci i see my Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371. BTW. i am installing it under VMWare-Server as a guest and the host is a windows7.x64 |
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| 10:24.21 | smtx | did i understand it right that /dev/dsp normally should be installed when a sound-card is present? |
| 10:25.29 | anoobisa | I am having a problem with installing mysql-server-5.0 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 mysql is not starting the service |
| 10:25.45 | anoobisa | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 10:25.45 | anoobisa | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 10:25.45 | anoobisa | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 10:25.45 | anoobisa | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 10:25.46 | anoobisa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:25.47 | dpkg | anoobisa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 10:26.32 | themill | dpkg: tell annobisa about paste |
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| 10:26.56 | anoobisa | themill ya sorry :) my bad |
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| 10:32.30 | markrian | Does mounting a remote disk by sshfs allow for random access? |
| 10:32.36 | markrian | And random writes? |
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| 10:41.38 | shreddi | Peter mentioned! |
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| 10:45.18 | Birimbao | ola |
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| 10:45.38 | Selveste1 | hallo :) |
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| 10:48.48 | daniele_982 | hello all someone know same web log analizer that show for example the page see in one particular hour? for example the page pippo.jsp beetwen 10-11 is seen 250 times |
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| 10:56.26 | Selveste1 | I think there is a project named webalizer and as I recall its also in debian repo |
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| 10:57.55 | joltcan | webalizer is good, but the google analytics stuff is way better (but then google also has your data). |
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| 11:01.56 | daniele_982 | Selveste1: and it show this information? |
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| 11:03.13 | Selveste1 | as I recall yes, but I don't use it anymore caus I have outsourced my webhosting |
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| 11:03.42 | Selveste1 | daniele_982: as I recall yes, but I don't use it anymore caus I have outsourced my webhosting |
| 11:04.56 | daniele_982 | Selveste1: i try it ! |
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| 11:10.19 | sime | Hi, I can repetitively crash X by expanding the xterm window. Though I'm not sure how to report it. |
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| 11:33.00 | MikeH | Can I safely remove packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:33.24 | avu | MikeH, use apt-get clean |
| 11:34.29 | Code4Fun | can someone help me with wget and apt-get install issues |
| 11:35.09 | MikeH | avu: Thank you. |
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| 11:37.12 | alaqsory | I have a flash disk but did not work on debian, I can see it but can not delet or add any files |
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| 11:37.21 | alaqsory | i tried to format it by gparted but i can not |
| 11:37.30 | alaqsory | i tried to format it by gparted but i can not |
| 11:37.39 | alaqsory | i tried it on Windows |
| 11:37.45 | alaqsory | amassage appear "the disk is write protected" , I tried many tricks but all did not work. |
| 11:37.52 | alaqsory | I first tried to edit the registry then tried to format it "low level format " |
| 11:38.01 | SlayerXP | !tell alaqsory about doesn't work |
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| 11:39.45 | alaqsory | I have a flash disk, I can see it but can not delet or add any files |
| 11:39.54 | alaqsory | is it right |
| 11:40.40 | Arafangion | is it read-only? |
| 11:40.46 | alaqsory | yes |
| 11:40.53 | Arafangion | There ya go. :) |
| 11:41.38 | SlayerXP | read only media is "can only be read from" *shocker* |
| 11:41.44 | SlayerXP | s/is/in/ |
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| 11:42.35 | Code4Fun | i installed debian on vmware and i have ping reply but wget or apt-get install dont work , any ideas |
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| 11:44.31 | tawan | !readahead |
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| 11:47.06 | Agiofws | hi |
| 11:47.09 | Agiofws | cp /home/agiofws/Downloads/$(ls -ltrh) . |
| 11:47.10 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 11:47.39 | verblendet | hi, where do i set defaultoptions for boot with grub? everytime i upgrade e.g. lenny kernel my settings in /boot/grub/menu.lst are overwritten.... |
| 11:47.57 | Code4Fun | brb eating |
| 11:48.00 | verblendet | is this some debian magic? where do i set these defaultoptions for boot? |
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| 11:48.16 | antrik | re |
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| 11:48.47 | inckie | if i wanna compile apache from source with the directory layout as debian (like the debian packages), what do i have to edit? |
| 11:48.50 | antrik | for those interested: I managed to track down the xauth problem -- see my followup on http://bugs.debian.org/524413 :-) |
| 11:49.19 | verblendet | inckie, configure --help |
| 11:49.27 | jschoolcraft | Where can I set path so shell and ssh have similar paths, at this point shells are fine, I need to add to the path used by ssh |
| 11:49.32 | Arafangion | arafangion@therock:~$ aptitude search util-linux-ng |
| 11:49.32 | Arafangion | arafangion@therock:~$ (What's wrong here?) I'm trying to find mkfs.vfat's man page. |
| 11:49.35 | silidan | hi, do you know a website, where i can see how fast i can type ? |
| 11:50.26 | tawan | slaps silidan with a google wrapped in a sock |
| 11:50.35 | antrik | inckie: check what the debian build scipts do :-) |
| 11:50.38 | verblendet | ouch, google hurts |
| 11:51.00 | tawan | Agiofws, what's your question? |
| 11:51.15 | Agiofws | how do we copy the last modified file of a dir ? |
| 11:51.24 | tawan | verblendet, put them beneath the automagic line and have default boot as a corresponding number say 2 or 3 (or did i miss your point?) |
| 11:51.45 | tawan | Agiofws, maybe put a space between the 2 parameters? |
| 11:52.11 | Agiofws | nah |
| 11:52.18 | tawan | jschoolcraft, .bashrc ? |
| 11:52.18 | Agiofws | ls gives a list |
| 11:52.26 | verblendet | tawan, a bit :) if i put defaultoptions in menu.lst as mentioned in menu.lst, and e.g. i safe-upgrade and a new kernel comes, its simply all overwritten and debian creates a new menu.lst which is really bad behaviour |
| 11:52.27 | Agiofws | i have to grep it |
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| 11:52.29 | Agiofws | or something |
| 11:52.38 | Arafangion | Ahh, just "util-linux", nice. |
| 11:52.44 | verblendet | /etc/default/debian-specialmagicsettings i guess :P |
| 11:52.44 | tawan | verblendet, ah :) |
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| 11:53.19 | verblendet | no, there is no f... /etc/default/grub... how bad |
| 11:53.36 | verblendet | my maschine only boots up with some settings i dont remember and now they are gone |
| 11:54.14 | tawan | time to keep a copy of menu.lst handy ... perhaps make it unwriteable |
| 11:54.21 | verblendet | reproducable on my thinkpad, after upgrade changes in menu.lst are simply gone1 no backupfile |
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| 11:54.42 | verblendet | tawan, indeed, but update routine should also at least take care of making a backup of the orig file... |
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| 11:55.05 | verblendet | lets check if my xorg.conf has gone too :)) |
| 11:55.08 | jschoolcraft | tawan: i have the correct path in /etc/profile and no path in .bashrc or .profile and as a logged in ssh user my path is correct. when I ssh -c or something (I'm using capistrano to deploy a rails app) it's using a different path, one that doesn't include where ruby is installed. |
| 11:55.23 | tawan | there are various options in menu list all heavily commented and some do stop updates messing it up so bad verblendet |
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| 11:55.24 | justin` | can someoen tell me what 'current' is? |
| 11:55.32 | justin` | is it squeeze or sid |
| 11:55.39 | tawan | justin, $PATH |
| 11:55.47 | verblendet | tawan, yes, but it does this only on my lenny boxes, so its definitely a huge step back from production |
| 11:55.52 | justin` | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ |
| 11:55.54 | justin` | under their |
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| 11:55.58 | tawan | Squeeze is new and Sid is always ahead of the game unstable justin |
| 11:56.07 | Code4Fun | i installed debian on vmware and i have ping reply but wget or apt-get install dont work , any ideas ?? please someone help me |
| 11:56.31 | justin` | tawan, I don't think your $PATH was for me? |
| 11:56.31 | tawan | justin, no sorry :) |
| 11:56.44 | verblendet | Code4Fun, did you configure network for vmware correctly? dont use nat or so |
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| 11:56.53 | justin` | tawan, but I mean is the current folder squeeze or? |
| 11:57.20 | Code4Fun | verblendet i used NAT :| what do u suggest ? bridge |
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| 11:57.26 | tawan | justin, to be current you need to grab a nightly build of squeeze, let me look at your link |
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| 11:57.46 | verblendet | Code4Fun, simple bridged network works fine |
| 11:58.03 | Code4Fun | i`ll try and come back with feedback |
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| 11:59.13 | antrik | Agiofws: you mean something like "ls -t|head -1" ? |
| 11:59.24 | tawan | justin, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:00.05 | antrik | or actually "cp `ls -t|head -1` foo" |
| 12:00.12 | justin` | tawan, thanks |
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| 12:00.13 | tawan | the "If you'd like something newer" part justin |
| 12:00.18 | antrik | but that's not really a Debian question :-) |
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| 12:00.54 | justin` | tawan, so that is squeeze? |
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| 12:01.36 | tawan | justin, yep i got one last night and running it now, actually you get options during install whether to go stable or not, i chose to go unstable |
| 12:01.51 | antrik | verblendet: the comments in the menu.lst are quite clear about which parts are autogenerated (and thus overwritten on each new kernel install/upgrade), and which are user settings that are preserved... |
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| 12:02.33 | verblendet | default_options should be definitely preserved |
| 12:02.49 | runa | hi since some time kernel-archive.buildserver.net is not reachable. has it moved? any information? |
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| 12:03.38 | antrik | verblendet: the script doesn't look for the name of the option, but rather in what part of the config file it resides I believe |
| 12:04.01 | verblendet | its says in te config: just edit to fit your needs... so i did! |
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| 12:05.10 | verblendet | updated by the debian update-grub... says everything, thats what i mean, too much magic... |
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| 12:05.44 | tawan | you can adjust the commented sections to stop/adjust the magic to your needs |
| 12:05.57 | antrik | update-grub is not Debian-specific AFAIK |
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| 12:06.19 | tawan | play with grub2 for a day and you will fall in love with grub(legacy) |
| 12:06.40 | verblendet | tawan, sure, but its a pitfall definitely, ..... |
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| 12:07.12 | verblendet | grub2 at least can use xfs! |
| 12:07.25 | verblendet | as / and /boot |
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| 12:07.36 | verblendet | grub legacy can too, but not in debian.... |
| 12:08.59 | antrik | verblendet: well, there is a tradeoff between things just working in the standard case, and things being easy to manage by hand... |
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| 12:09.25 | antrik | tawan: what is wrong with grub2? |
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| 12:10.21 | antrik | verblendet: if you think Debian has too much magic, perhaps slackware is the thing for you :-) |
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| 12:10.42 | tawan | antrik, it's great but mindbending to configure at first |
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| 12:12.10 | verblendet | antrik, not really, i like debian very much, but some magics are still annoying, but this is only for a few packages like pureftp etc. and now i ran into the menu.lst trap... my fault |
| 12:12.30 | antrik | anyways, grub-legacy is unmaintainable. it had to die. |
| 12:12.37 | antrik | (at least that's what the developers say...) |
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| 12:13.22 | runa | nobody knows anything about kernel-archive.buildserver.net which is unreachable ? |
| 12:13.36 | whatnow | Hi! I guess I'm about to install debian as "backup software" & rescue system on a few machines secondary hd's... could someone give me a few hints? Like is it a good idea to have a grub option start a git script to backup the XP hd automatically & does safe-upgrade usually really require 0% user intervention or should I just not have it upgrade at all? |
| 12:14.24 | valdyn | whatnow: rebooting to do backups is silly |
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| 12:15.11 | whatnow | valdyn: Even if it's an WinXP machine and I want the backups to be sort of safe? |
| 12:15.18 | valdyn | whatnow: sure |
| 12:15.22 | ranix | whatnow: I was considering this for awhile, I was thinking of just using ntfsclone to nuke the XP disk/partition completely and restore it to a freshly imaged state |
| 12:16.16 | valdyn | whatnow: a restore system might be neat, but you dont need a dedicated disk for that, just a usb stick or a cd |
| 12:16.18 | joltcan | I installed rsyncd on the wintendo machines here, and let rsnapshot include those as well. Worked very well |
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| 12:16.55 | themill | runa: it's been down for a while; people are working at getting it back up |
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| 12:17.42 | g00se | Can someone please recommend a socks server that works and is decently documented? |
| 12:17.45 | whatnow | valdyn: Well, the data has to go somewhere, too and the end users aren't too skilled, so I thought of having debian do everything of it on its on hd where XP cannot reach it... |
| 12:17.58 | runa | thanks! themill |
| 12:18.39 | whatnow | joltcan: Is that just as safe if the users like to "experiment" with xp? |
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| 12:19.35 | joltcan | whatnow: yes, as long as you run rsyncd as a service |
| 12:20.06 | joltcan | whatnow: then rsnapshot will run on the backup machine and fetch data from the wintendo, so no user intervetntion is needed, and the process is done from remote |
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| 12:20.17 | valdyn | whatnow: "experimenting" with XP means the can fuck up your backup system just as much as they can fuck up their XP system |
| 12:20.24 | joltcan | g00se: ssh has socks built in (if you just want to do some nice port forwardning) |
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| 12:20.31 | valdyn | whatnow: theres no security gain there |
| 12:21.07 | g00se | joltcan: Thanks, i did know that but in this case i need a proper server as i'm developing client apps |
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| 12:23.25 | whatnow | valdyn: Mmh, is it that easy to repartition another hd (or likely to have it repartitioned by malware) in xp if you don't actually want to? Thei're not total morons, they just like installing things from "the internets" |
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| 12:25.12 | kurgon | ow come i keep getting this error... "error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Operation not permitted" |
| 12:25.22 | kurgon | as i understand it its b/c it doesn't have enough resources.. |
| 12:25.30 | kurgon | though i have plenty of free and available ram |
| 12:25.37 | kurgon | and the box is under no sort of load, at all.. |
| 12:25.53 | kurgon | infact, quit the opposite.. i'm using this machine for an SSH Tunnel only.. so the only thing running on it is sshd.. |
| 12:25.53 | valdyn | kurgon: is "not permitted" ambigous? |
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| 12:26.00 | kurgon | i have no idea what that means :) |
| 12:26.09 | valdyn | kurgon: "not allowed" |
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| 12:26.23 | valdyn | !permissions |
| 12:26.23 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 12:26.25 | kurgon | well thing is.. i can connect via ssh |
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| 12:26.31 | jschoolcraft | cap deploying to debian and it's not honoring my $PATH in /etc/profile (so can't find rake, gem, etc). Where else do I put this? running squeeze |
| 12:26.34 | kurgon | but then i just get droppped randomly.. |
| 12:26.37 | kurgon | with that error |
| 12:26.38 | kurgon | ;( |
| 12:26.55 | valdyn | kurgon: so your router is dumping the connection possibly |
| 12:27.03 | valdyn | kurgon: or your internet connection is flaky |
| 12:27.21 | valdyn | kurgon: i dont know where you see the relation to /proc/self/oom_adj |
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| 12:27.21 | kurgon | nah, my internet is stable.. and i've tried this without my router in the loop, same problem |
| 12:27.36 | g00se | OK - here's another: /tmp occasionally goes o-w It's just done that in the last couple of hours. Can't see anything in logs. What gives? |
| 12:27.39 | kurgon | i see the relation, based on the error message :P |
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| 12:27.44 | valdyn | kurgon: the oom killer having triggered will be in dmesg |
| 12:27.52 | kurgon | oom killer is set to -17 |
| 12:28.00 | valdyn | kurgon: no, the error only mentions that you do not have permissions |
| 12:28.11 | kurgon | which means its suppose to be disabled.. |
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| 12:28.16 | zxd | Hi |
| 12:28.17 | kurgon | but it is not disabled, obviously |
| 12:28.27 | zxd | what are the lines to hold a package in apt.conf |
| 12:28.40 | valdyn | kurgon: is there any hint that the oom killer triggered in dmesg? |
| 12:28.54 | kurgon | SSHD_OOM_ADJUST=-17 |
| 12:29.26 | kurgon | if i do cat /var/log/dmesg |
| 12:29.33 | kurgon | the file is empty |
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| 12:29.40 | valdyn | kurgon: you need to run "dmesg" |
| 12:30.07 | kurgon | doesn't do anything when i run it |
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| 12:30.14 | whatnow | ooooh... ok, I guess xp really might under circumstances like to try and "repair" hd's with FS it can't read - think I'm going to research rsync's capabilities for XP before I do something stupid - thanks! |
| 12:30.23 | valdyn | kurgon: youre not running debian then |
| 12:30.27 | kurgon | yeah i am |
| 12:30.28 | kurgon | lol.. |
| 12:30.33 | kurgon | its a vps |
| 12:30.41 | valdyn | kurgon: its *not* debian |
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| 12:30.51 | valdyn | kurgon: dmesg on debian *always* is filled with stuff |
| 12:30.59 | kurgon | 5.0.3 |
| 12:31.01 | kurgon | er |
| 12:31.07 | kurgon | @x:/bin# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:31.07 | kurgon | 5.0.3 |
| 12:31.26 | valdyn | kurgon: thats not useful, i can create that file on windows too, as an extreme example |
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| 12:31.36 | kurgon | .....you're joking me, right? |
| 12:31.36 | valdyn | kurgon: *you* just arent running a debian kernel, that might be all |
| 12:31.40 | Arafangion | Hmm, I wasn't aware of the consequences when I named my external HDD "O'Neill" |
| 12:31.43 | ranix | kurgon: can you uname -a for me |
| 12:31.46 | valdyn | kurgon: no im not joking |
| 12:31.52 | kurgon | Linux x.vps1b680c6f.com 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3 #1 SMP Sun May 10 18:54:51 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:31.54 | ranix | kurgon: valdyn gets a little incensed at times |
| 12:32.10 | kurgon | i'm telling you this is debian 5.0 accroding to my host's control panel |
| 12:32.13 | valdyn | kurgon: thats a rhel based kernel |
| 12:32.14 | ranix | kurgon: what kind of machine is this? A VPS? |
| 12:32.19 | kurgon | ranix yes |
| 12:32.26 | ranix | found your problem |
| 12:32.26 | valdyn | kurgon: probably the host system is rhel |
| 12:32.28 | mischief | might be OpenVZ'd |
| 12:32.40 | kurgon | ranix as far as this oom_adj problem? |
| 12:32.40 | mischief | er, is it OpenVZ*? |
| 12:32.45 | kurgon | mischief how do i check? |
| 12:32.56 | mischief | there's a package with which to check what VM you are in |
| 12:33.05 | valdyn | kurgon: youre just guessing that its the oom killer, its not a problem to not be able to modify the oom killer |
| 12:33.07 | kurgon | ...and that would be? |
| 12:33.26 | kurgon | ranix what is my problem? |
| 12:33.27 | mischief | kurgon, had to look it up via apropos - it's 'virt-what' |
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| 12:34.04 | ranix | kurgon: your vps is wonky, you either changed something you shouldn't have or your datacenter administrators don't fully know what they're doing / made some mistakes setting up this machine |
| 12:34.30 | ranix | you shouldn't be getting /proc error messages |
| 12:34.35 | ranix | that's ridiculous |
| 12:34.36 | kurgon | ranix hmm.. well this was never a problem until about two weeks ago, and about 4 days ago i reinstalled the os ;( |
| 12:34.44 | valdyn | ranix: he cannot modifiy the oom killer, that is all |
| 12:34.54 | kurgon | mischief apt-get doesn't come up with anything called apropos or virt-what |
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| 12:35.00 | valdyn | ranix: that could be part of openvz "features" |
| 12:35.12 | mischief | kurgon, i'm running sid, that may be why. :) |
| 12:35.19 | mischief | kurgon, anyways, apt-get blows, use aptitude. |
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| 12:36.31 | MariachiAC | Hello, I have debian testing installed. I'm wanting to here the system sounds in gnome. I have the gnome-adio package installed ,but I'm unable to set the theme in sounds. do i need an extra package? |
| 12:36.43 | ranix | kurgon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487325 |
| 12:37.01 | ranix | looks like failure to disable oom-ajust is a big in kernels lower than 2.6.20 |
| 12:37.05 | ranix | bug |
| 12:37.30 | kurgon | right and i'm 2.6.18 |
| 12:37.42 | kurgon | so what should i do? |
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| 12:38.26 | valdyn | kurgon: find out why youre ssh link is dropping |
| 12:38.30 | valdyn | kurgon: find out why your ssh link is dropping |
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| 12:38.45 | ranix | the only way to really disable this is to comment out both the line in /etc/init.d/ssh where the environment variable is set to -17 and the line in /etc/default/ssh where it is also set |
| 12:39.07 | ranix | as per the bug report I linked you to |
| 12:39.12 | kurgon | i tried that too |
| 12:39.25 | kurgon | same problem exists |
| 12:39.58 | ranix | did you restart sshd and verify that it was actually commented out? |
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| 12:40.06 | ranix | s/it/they |
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| 12:41.14 | kurgon | let me do it again |
| 12:41.17 | kurgon | also ranix |
| 12:41.23 | kurgon | if you read the bottom post of the bug report.. |
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| 12:41.35 | kurgon | From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> .. message #22 |
| 12:41.45 | kurgon | he says to update openssh |
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| 12:41.51 | kurgon | with all those .deb files.. |
| 12:41.59 | kurgon | where do i get them and how to i update them? |
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| 12:43.16 | kurgon | SSHD_OOM_ADJUST=-17 is commented out in /etc/init.d/ssh and /etc/default/ssh |
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| 12:43.36 | kurgon | now i've done /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:44.02 | kurgon | both lines are still commented out |
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| 12:44.27 | kurgon | ranix how do i check the value of SSHD_OOM_ADJUST |
| 12:44.33 | kurgon | I just did unset SSHD_OOM_ADJUST in the console to make sure |
| 12:45.02 | JNSamuel | alias service='/etc/init.d/$1 $2' |
| 12:45.03 | JNSamuel | ++ |
| 12:45.09 | gamla_ko2san | hi people. I'm having a problem with mod_proxy and ssl, however all that shows up my log file is this: http://fpaste.org/6wWP/ |
| 12:45.23 | gamla_ko2san | ...does anyone have a clue where that SSL log file is located? |
| 12:45.33 | gamla_ko2san | because I really can't find it :/ |
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| 12:46.16 | ranix | kurgon: I'm not fully able to answer that because that script might be running a subshell and I haven't inspected it |
| 12:46.30 | milian | how come there is no qtcurve style for kde4 in squeeze? |
| 12:46.33 | kurgon | you want to? |
| 12:46.34 | kurgon | :) |
| 12:46.38 | ranix | kurgon: your problem is fairly obscure so I'm only able to give hints in the right direction |
| 12:46.48 | kurgon | :-( |
| 12:46.54 | ranix | I would have trouble with it if this happened to me, also |
| 12:47.17 | gamla_kossan | ranix: is my problem obscure too? =) |
| 12:47.20 | ranix | I would avoid it by other means, such as not using a rhel vps or reinstalling the os on it |
| 12:47.25 | kurgon | well.. if you needed a solid ssh tunnel via shell/vps/dedicated, what would you do? |
| 12:47.34 | kurgon | honestly ^ |
| 12:47.41 | kurgon | do you have a vps host you can suggest? |
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| 12:48.11 | ranix | I'm east coast and my buddy is west coast, so if we need to tunnel we use each other |
| 12:48.27 | ranix | I also control physical corporate servers that I'm allowed to use for minor personal use in off-hours |
| 12:48.32 | ranix | contractually |
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| 12:48.46 | ranix | so I have to say I don't know much about vpses ;) |
| 12:48.49 | kurgon | so you ahve no host recommendation? :P |
| 12:49.01 | kurgon | set me up a vps on that coperate server |
| 12:49.02 | kurgon | they wont notice |
| 12:49.05 | echosystm | whats with fonts in debian/gnome being massive? |
| 12:49.06 | kurgon | :D |
| 12:49.22 | echosystm | i mean, theyre not huge to the point of me wondering if something is wrong |
| 12:49.30 | echosystm | but theyre much biger than windows fonts |
| 12:49.41 | valdyn | echosystm: thats configurable |
| 12:50.04 | echosystm | windows has default dpi of 96 |
| 12:50.08 | echosystm | afaik |
| 12:50.17 | valdyn | echosystm: windows has no proper concept of dpi |
| 12:50.17 | echosystm | so shouldnt 10pt be the same in both? |
| 12:50.20 | echosystm | at the same dpi |
| 12:50.22 | echosystm | oh |
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| 12:50.30 | valdyn | echosystm: windows uses pixel sized fonts |
| 12:50.39 | valdyn | echosystm: ( on the desktop i mean ) |
| 12:50.52 | echosystm | i see |
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| 12:51.05 | valdyn | echosystm: run your gnome-appearance-properties, set the *real* dpi and set the fonts to whatever size you like |
| 12:51.34 | echosystm | real dpi? |
| 12:51.36 | valdyn | echosystm: or maybe its still gnome-font-properties for you |
| 12:52.07 | valdyn | echosystm: dpi means dots per inch, thats the number of pixels on your screen that make one inch physical size |
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| 12:53.05 | echosystm | ah |
| 12:53.12 | valdyn | echosystm: its usually ~90 on lcd displays i think |
| 12:53.17 | kurgon | ranix, you think maybe i could try another os? |
| 12:53.31 | valdyn | echosystm: sometimes more , sometimes less |
| 12:54.00 | valdyn | certainly more on small highend laptop displays |
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| 12:54.24 | akempgenImGAY | EVIL |
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| 12:56.21 | valdyn | echosystm: xdpyinfo will show you detected dimensions like : "1680x1050 pixels (474x296 millimeters)" and "90x90 dots per inch" |
| 12:57.13 | kurgon | ranix erading that bug report.. it says that it is a problem with lenny/sid .. do you think if i installed etch, that it would be worth a shot? |
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| 13:06.36 | akempgenImGAY | ":D" \:D/ |
| 13:06.42 | echosystm | im running debian in virtualbox valdyn |
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| 13:08.38 | kurgon | haha |
| 13:08.51 | lvh | massive failure |
| 13:09.10 | winter | that's a threat |
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| 13:22.48 | glasyalabolis | how can I install the man pages for gcc and g++ ? |
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| 13:23.14 | glasyalabolis | I have gcc-4.3-doc installed |
| 13:24.17 | abrotman | glasyalabolis: you would need the non-free repos i believe |
| 13:24.30 | stew | yeah, gcc-4.3-doc is the non-free package |
| 13:24.33 | Arafangion | Hmm... Having an apostrophy in the directory name breaks bash tab-completion. |
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| 13:24.38 | Arafangion | What alternative shell should I use? |
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| 13:25.15 | glasyalabolis | nvm I have the man pages for gcc, but not g++. I guess g++ doesn't need any |
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| 13:25.35 | stew | g++ is gcc |
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| 13:26.14 | abrotman | Arafangion: quote it |
| 13:26.23 | glasyalabolis | aah, I thought g++ was the c++ compiler and gcc was only for c, thanks |
| 13:26.45 | Arafangion | abrotman: Quoting it doesn't work. |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | with double-quotes ? |
| 13:27.19 | Arafangion | arafangion@therock:~$ ls /media/O\'Neill/<tab does nothing here>, and no, double-quotes doesn't improve the situation either. |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | is there actually something under that dir ? |
| 13:28.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yes, one directory called "backups". (Which doesn't actually contain any backups yet) |
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| 13:29.14 | abrotman | Arafangion: works fine here |
| 13:29.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: Odd. |
| 13:29.55 | abrotman | Arafangion: are you on lenny? |
| 13:30.01 | Arafangion | Yes |
| 13:30.11 | Arafangion | The drive is fat32 - vfat. |
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| 13:30.47 | Titan8990_ | Arafangion, you shouldn't backup to fat32 unless you are using tar |
| 13:30.53 | abrotman | Arafangion: mkdir -p "/tmp/O'Neill/backups/" .. then try to use it |
| 13:30.53 | Titan8990_ | because permissions will not be preserved |
| 13:31.00 | abrotman | oh .. NFC about vfat |
| 13:31.16 | Arafangion | Titan8990_: I am using tar and split. |
| 13:31.35 | Arafangion | Titan8990_: Besides, I don't care about permissions. This is user data. |
| 13:31.46 | Arafangion | My user data, to be precise. |
| 13:32.11 | Arafangion | abrotman: Works flawlessly with the /tmp example. |
| 13:32.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: vfat sucks :) |
| 13:32.50 | Titan8990_ | Arafangion, ls -R /media/O* | pastebinit -i |
| 13:32.59 | Slidey | when i load up iceweasel its lost my bookmarks/links, and cant import the bookmark backups - any ideas how to recover ? |
| 13:33.00 | Titan8990_ | Arafangion, yeah, i hope you don't have files bigger than 4gb |
| 13:33.21 | Arafangion | Titan8990_: Hence the split. |
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| 13:33.35 | Titan8990_ | Arafangion, yeah, i thought about that after i said something |
| 13:33.36 | Arafangion | Titan8990_: It absolutely definetly has files in it. |
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| 13:34.37 | justin | Arafangion: tab completion works just fine with quotes |
| 13:34.49 | moty66 | Why I keep getting this in syslog (Sep 17 15:34:02 dev dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67) |
| 13:34.57 | justin | Arafangion: most likely the directory is NOT named "O'Neill" |
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| 13:36.01 | Arafangion | justin: If you type 'O', it tab-completes to "O'Neill" just fine, backslashing the apostrophy. |
| 13:36.10 | justin` | anyone know where sysconfdir is |
| 13:36.12 | Arafangion | justin: Just doesn't get past that - although if you manually type it, it's fine. |
| 13:36.21 | Titan8990_ | moty66, your dhcp lease has ran out and and its trying to renew? |
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| 13:36.49 | moty66 | Titan8990, I have this message every 10 seconds !! |
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| 13:37.21 | justin | Arafangion: cd /tmp;mkdir -p "a'b/c/d/e";mkdir -p "a'b/f/g/h/" |
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| 13:37.32 | justin | Arafangion: ls a\'b/ [tab] |
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| 13:38.15 | valdyn | moty66: you should have this message every few minutes, not every 10 seconds |
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| 13:38.44 | Arafangion | justin: We've established that it works fine if it's anything else other than that mounted partition. |
| 13:38.45 | harpal | from which package I can install java? is that openjdk? problem is that when I do java it shows some gij options :( |
| 13:38.51 | justin | Arafangion: ah, weird |
| 13:39.12 | moty66 | valdyn: do you it is debian configuration problem or dhcp server problem ? |
| 13:39.12 | valdyn | harpal: choice is yours, you can install a few jdk / jre |
| 13:39.22 | justin | Arafangion: does it make a difference if you use "O'..." instead of O\' ? |
| 13:39.25 | valdyn | moty66: dhcp server problem probably |
| 13:39.40 | Titan8990_ | harpal, did you view the java page on the debian wiki? |
| 13:40.01 | harpal | Titan8990_: no |
| 13:40.33 | valdyn | moty66: you would know if you messed with your dhclient.conf, would you? |
| 13:40.33 | Arafangion | justin: No, double-quotes don't work. |
| 13:40.59 | Arafangion | abrotman: Damn that's subtle! |
| 13:41.05 | Arafangion | abrotman: double-quotes do work. |
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| 13:41.08 | Titan8990_ | harpal, try that then and come back |
| 13:41.15 | Arafangion | abrotman: But only if you quote the individual directory name itself. |
| 13:41.26 | harpal | Titan8990_: okay, |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | Arafangion: yay vfat or something like that |
| 13:41.55 | harpal | http://paste2.org/p/428285 that what I get when I try to run only java command |
| 13:42.20 | Arafangion | Wierd, and now it's stopped working. |
| 13:42.25 | Arafangion | Not liking vfat at all. |
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| 13:44.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's really not ideal for backup stuff |
| 13:44.39 | Arafangion | I'm thinking I may be forced to use ext2. |
| 13:44.47 | Arafangion | I want to use this in a non-linux system, though. |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | you can use ext2/3 on windows |
| 13:45.30 | hark | Arafangion: which version of debian? |
| 13:45.49 | Arafangion | Oh... Lenny. |
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| 13:46.30 | Arafangion | abrotman: I've found that ext2 and windows don't really mix. Hibernation will practically kill it. |
| 13:46.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: That said... It's windows... 'nough said. |
| 13:46.45 | abrotman | Arafangion: haven't tried it myself, just that it exists |
| 13:46.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: Nah, the system I want to use it on is Mac OS X> |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | but OSX does ext2/3, right? |
| 13:47.09 | hark | ok, so it's not the bash 4 bug |
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| 13:47.53 | abrotman | Arafangion: doesn't OSX understand UFS ? |
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| 13:48.38 | Arafangion | abrotman: It might. |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | apparently 'man mount' says ufs:openstep is the same filesystem OSX uses |
| 13:49.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: Apparently MacFuse is available, and I could use ext2 through that... But it's rather new, not sure what it's like. Still, I suppose I'll use ext2... This is all becoming a joke. :( |
| 13:49.49 | Arafangion | We need better filesystems! |
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| 13:51.05 | moty66 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m7b0e00e |
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| 13:51.27 | valdyn | moty66: Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted |
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| 13:51.32 | abrotman | Arafangion: i agree |
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| 13:51.56 | moty66 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m7b0e00e7 |
| 13:52.00 | Zvpun | how can I disable the system beep when gdm is finished loading? |
| 13:52.53 | moty66 | valdyn: as I remember, I didn't edit this file, I am working with a fresh install |
| 13:53.09 | helo | i copied a debian install using a livecd and "find /media/sda1 | cpio -p /media/sdb1", rebooted, unplugging sda1, and then installed grub (onto the 'new' sda1) with "/media/sdb1/usr/sbin/grub --config-file=/media/sdb1/boot/grub/menu.lst" "root (hd0,0); setup (hd0)" |
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| 13:53.40 | helo | which i have done before with good results... but now i'm getting grub Error 2 (device name not recognized) when i try to boot |
| 13:54.00 | valdyn | moty66: if you are not getting DHCPACK messages in the same log file then the server is not responding |
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| 13:56.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Works flawlessly in zsh, just not bash. |
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| 13:57.08 | moty66 | valdyn: dev:~# cat /var/log/syslog | grep DHCPACK |
| 13:57.09 | moty66 | Sep 17 09:11:41 dev dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:57.21 | abrotman | Arafangion: use a better filesystem :) |
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| 13:57.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: Surely vfat is fine for date-stamped files between 0 and 2GB, tending towards the latter? |
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| 13:58.23 | Arafangion | abrotman: If I use ext2... I might well have to do a *dance* every time I use a different system. |
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| 13:58.34 | Arafangion | Due to file permissions. |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | UFS!~ |
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| 14:03.44 | bafman | hi, recent update of openssl 0.9.8g-15+lenny5 is not possible to perform cleanly due missing keys. What's going on? |
| 14:04.24 | Arafangion | Ahh, UFS. |
| 14:04.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: Bookmarking that, but alas, this ain't flash. :( It's an old PATA HDD I've appropriated for the moment. |
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| 14:05.10 | abrotman | wtf does it have to do with flash ? |
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| 14:06.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: Somehow Google led me to uffs. |
| 14:06.49 | Arafangion | (Probably a typo, but I ain't admitting that) |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | Arafangion: man mount |
| 14:07.38 | infernix | I want to write a small menu for users that have ssh access so that they can run a few commands. it's been years since i last wrote something like that; any suggestions what tools to use? |
| 14:08.04 | toor | hello all |
| 14:09.05 | jimcooncat | infernix: One way is to just list allowable commands in the motd |
| 14:09.12 | Arafangion | abrotman: Thanks. :) Will give it a shot. |
| 14:09.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: you'll have to do some testing .. i haven't used a UFS type filesystem since i worked on solaris |
| 14:09.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: According to wikipedia, UFS is not looking promising. |
| 14:09.56 | abrotman | it's not |
| 14:09.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:10.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: Apparently different unix venders have alot of variation. To the point where linux does not have "full support" for writing to UFS. It's apparently pretty much read-only. |
| 14:10.30 | jimcooncat | Arafangion: why not use a good filesystem and chmod the permissions wide-open? |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | i find that hard to believe |
| 14:11.08 | Arafangion | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System |
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| 14:11.22 | Arafangion | It doesn't say what it means by "full support" though. |
| 14:11.29 | Arafangion | Perhaps it's got enough of the functionality I want. |
| 14:11.38 | Arafangion | For instance, I obviously don't care about quotas. |
| 14:11.53 | jimcooncat | infernix: also the dialog package could maybe give you a menu |
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| 14:13.45 | abrotman | i'd imagine that both linux and OSX would be able to read/write to the fbsd style FFS |
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| 14:15.26 | Titan8990_ | i thought freebsd used zfs and linux drivers were only available via fuse |
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| 14:16.56 | toor | so rather than editing files in rc*.d |
| 14:17.10 | toor | which run level boots up but without X windows |
| 14:17.41 | Titan8990_ | toor, never edit rc?.d directly |
| 14:17.45 | Titan8990_ | toor, use update-rc.d |
| 14:18.11 | toor | nod |
| 14:18.44 | toor | so with that there is no run level to boot into without X but with everything else |
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| 14:18.59 | toor | ? |
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| 14:24.36 | Agiofws | is 56C for a lapis cpu too much ? ? |
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| 14:27.15 | macrobat | toor: i guess you can define your own runlevel. i dont know how |
| 14:27.48 | toor | yeah thats my plan |
| 14:27.51 | toor | update inittab |
| 14:27.56 | toor | and make sure the files and dirs are in place |
| 14:28.07 | toor | im just sad the opton is not there anymore |
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| 14:30.30 | macrobat | toor: i think there was a howto on forums.debian.net i cant find it now |
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| 14:32.15 | toor | macrobat: i'm familiar with the process just disappointed the option is no longer there |
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| 14:34.25 | javs | is there a way in apt to specify http proxies for a specific repository (not just all) ? |
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| 14:39.46 | echosystm | i just installed preload but ive heard of some other thing "prefetch" that is supposedly better |
| 14:39.47 | Dominicus | How can I found out what apps are generating the most page faults (disk accesses)? My hard drive activity is going nuts, and I want to know why. |
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| 14:40.03 | echosystm | the sourceforge page for it hasnt been updated since 08 thuogh |
| 14:40.08 | echosystm | anyone know whats going on there? |
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| 14:41.50 | macrobat | Dominicus: maybe iotop can tell |
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| 14:42.27 | kurgon | ranix reading that bug report.. it says that it is a problem with lenny/sid .. do you think if i installed etch, that it would be worth a shot? |
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| 14:44.19 | b52 | which devian install medium includes debootstrap ? |
| 14:44.50 | justin | b52: all of them should |
| 14:45.12 | Dominicus | macrobat: That's awesome. Thanks, I didn't know about iotop. It's indicating that my mythtv backend, which isn't even connected to my hdhomerun digital tuner is doing 500kb a second. That's really REALLY annoying. When is that app going to be stabe to use. *sigh* |
| 14:45.14 | b52 | but the netinst e.g. oesnt, it also doesnt include fdisk oO |
| 14:45.19 | BlueG | Suddenly my testing system is crashing like crazy. Crashed when previewing a screensaver, logging in a second user via gdm, even when gdm started at boot once. Anybody else seen this problem? |
| 14:45.28 | justin | b52: maybe you want a debian-live based cd? |
| 14:45.36 | b52 | i would like to run the installation by console |
| 14:45.52 | b52 | justin: where can i get one? |
| 14:46.23 | kurgon | using 'tail' how can i specify how many lines to display? |
| 14:46.23 | ranix | kurgon: sorry, I can't answer that one |
| 14:46.24 | justin | b52: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 14:46.28 | kurgon | k |
| 14:46.29 | ranix | kurgon: tail -50 |
| 14:46.32 | kurgon | yeah |
| 14:46.33 | kurgon | i got that now ;) |
| 14:46.34 | ranix | or -100 |
| 14:46.34 | b52 | 16:46 kurgon k |
| 14:46.34 | kurgon | thanks |
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| 14:46.43 | b52 | im sorry |
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| 14:47.22 | b52 | hmm the latest livecds are 502 not 503 |
| 14:47.43 | justin | b52: so? |
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| 14:47.52 | justin | b52: it won't make much of a difference |
| 14:48.06 | b52 | nothin, i just wanted to mention uit |
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| 14:48.47 | b52 | the usb live image i can just dd to my pendrive aight? |
| 14:49.16 | justin | b52: yes, your usb live image you can put on a usb drive |
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| 14:50.20 | adb | dpkg, tell b52 - about debian-live |
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| 14:50.38 | zxd | how is it possible to flash the bios from linux, I thought one needed to change to real mode ? |
| 14:51.00 | Titan8990_ | zxd, you can't flash a bios from within any OS |
| 14:51.09 | zxd | Titan8990, I just did |
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| 14:51.39 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.57 | zxd | Erasing block 2d: 260000 - 26ffff ... Primary BIOS flashed successfully |
| 14:52.14 | justin | Titan8990_: false. |
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| 14:53.18 | Titan8990_ | doesn't sound plausible to me... how does the OS continue to function? |
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| 14:53.47 | Jemt | Hi. Can someone tell me why the following dosn't work? VGA-0 is my external monitor: xrandr --output VGA-0 -s 1400x1050 |
| 14:53.57 | Jemt | Nothing happens - no errors, no change in resolution |
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| 14:54.39 | Titan8990_ | Jemt, is 1400x1050 an available option if you run xrandr with no arguments? |
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| 14:55.06 | Jemt | http://pastebin.ca/1569692 - the output from 'xrandr' |
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| 14:55.21 | Jemt | Titan8990_: Yes |
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| 14:55.27 | Jemt | (See my pastebin :) |
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| 14:56.27 | javs | Is there a way in apt to specify a http proxy just for one repository ? |
| 14:57.24 | Jemt | Titan8990_: The detected resolutions are not correct though. The monitor supports 1680x1050 |
| 14:57.47 | jimcooncat | javs: You could specify it directly in your sources.list |
| 14:58.11 | b52 | hmm if i just dd the image to my pen drive i get a boot errror |
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| 14:59.45 | midkniht | anyone know a repo to get a ffmpeg that works with most codecs? |
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| 15:00.35 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 15:00.51 | woshty | midkniht: which ones have you tried? |
| 15:01.10 | javs | jimcooncat: how should I put them in the sources.list ? I cant find that in the man page |
| 15:01.51 | dury | I want to do ftp from another pc to this debian box... so I have to install ftp server... is that right to upload files to my apache server |
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| 15:03.44 | LtL | dury: install open-ssh and use scp |
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| 15:04.46 | verblendet | dury, doing it via sftp may spend much time on setting corrrect permissions after scping, also scp need shell access a webuser never should have |
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| 15:06.20 | jimcooncat | javs: http://MYSERVER:MYPORT/debian |
| 15:06.49 | jimcooncat | javs: it would depend on your proxy, and layout of the repository |
| 15:07.16 | dury | verblendet: so what's the best application then |
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| 15:08.14 | midkniht | woshty, i been trying to build it myself but have only been able to get support to convert flv into flv which is of no use heh |
| 15:08.16 | jimcooncat | dury, most people use ssh. sshfs is a nice setup, you can use regular copy commands. |
| 15:09.18 | woshty | midkniht: debian-multimedia.org .. and maybe try mencoder |
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| 15:10.31 | MariachiAC | Hello. When I run alsa mixer I get the following alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 15:10.44 | MariachiAC | So I'm unable to play sounds. |
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| 15:12.07 | javs | jimcooncat: I'm not sure I get you. I know how to write the proxy address is (I'm currently using it in apt.conf), but I need to know how to tell apt to use it just for one of the repos in my sources.list |
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| 15:15.17 | dury | jimcooncat: I have already installed both ssh sshfs |
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| 15:16.38 | dury | jimcooncat: then how is it... would you please drive me a little bit |
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| 15:21.36 | hark | MariachiAC: does alsamixer -c1 work? |
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| 15:22.19 | LtL | dury: do you have a user account on the server? scp your files to that account, then to be safe, ssh into the account and as root 'if needed', chmod 644 the files chown if necesssary and cp them to the document root dir or wherever on the webserver. |
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| 15:28.44 | vi390 | hi, Iam trying to install jabberd on a openvz instance. Starting it with #jabberd -h localhost# but I always get "jabberd already running or invalid interface" even If I start it with jabberd -h <instance_ipaddress> has someone any ideas what there cold be possibly wrong? |
| 15:29.09 | justin | vi390: it's already running? |
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| 15:29.26 | justin | I didn't know anyone still used jabberd, pretty sure openfire and ejabberd killed it |
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| 15:29.36 | vi390 | justin: yes, thats what confuses me, because ps ax doesnt show any running instance |
| 15:29.37 | dury | have to go... LtL I appreciate your advice... I don't know how to do it but I will do my best... again thanks |
| 15:29.49 | justin | vi390: netstat -plunt |
| 15:29.52 | LtL | dury: it's easy |
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| 15:30.14 | zareliman | hi |
| 15:30.14 | dury | be back other time have to go |
| 15:30.24 | zareliman | I recently lost my audio in kde4 |
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| 15:30.29 | shoebox | help me out, here, please. what's wrong with this udev rule: SUBSYSTEM=="block", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="Mem-Stick", RUN+="/sbin/hdparm -z /dev/%k; /bin/sleep 5; /bin/mount -umask=077,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/%k1 /media/usb2" ? |
| 15:30.42 | zareliman | how can I reconfigure audio in kde4 ? |
| 15:30.44 | vi390 | justin: well, its not in the list, even not in netstat |
| 15:30.54 | justin | vi390: sounds like maybe you are having an openvz issue |
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| 15:31.17 | vi390 | what do you mean "openfire, ejabberd" you mean most people use them now ? |
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| 15:32.05 | vi390 | justin: having a look into openvz issue, thanks |
| 15:32.14 | justin | vi390: i think so |
| 15:32.39 | vi390 | justin: ok then I try -them- instead jabberd first ;) thx |
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| 15:33.14 | elops | I just recently set up squid, what can I set up to monitor my squids performance and view logs etc? |
| 15:33.18 | brah | Is there any way to activate dead keys and use accents and such in a USA keyboard layout? I'm using GDM. |
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| 15:33.26 | justin | vi390: ejabberd is packaged in debian |
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| 15:34.14 | vi390 | justin: ok found it |
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| 15:39.53 | chelz | is there any chance of increased instability or slowness from going with amd64 over i386? |
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| 15:43.00 | voicu | not really |
| 15:43.05 | voicu | as far as i know |
| 15:43.17 | voicu | that's of course if you have an athlon computer :P |
| 15:43.50 | lunk | chelz: amd64 is just the 64-bit distro, works with intel 64-bit systems too |
| 15:44.03 | voicu | well, there you go |
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| 15:44.11 | chelz | i guess it's worth a shot |
| 15:44.14 | chelz | alright, thanks |
| 15:44.32 | \amethyst | chelz: some things are slower, some things are faster. The bigger question is whether you need any e.g. proprietary software that isn't available for 64-bit yet (it's getting less and less common) |
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| 15:45.23 | glasyalabolis | shouldn't amd64 be renamed to something more vendor neutral if it works on all 64 bit processors? |
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| 15:45.32 | themill | !why amd64 |
| 15:45.33 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 15:45.35 | LtL | chelz: i've used amd64 debian on this intel since debian issued amd64, works great. |
| 15:46.27 | lunk | themill: thanks |
| 15:46.27 | glasyalabolis | themill: thanks ; ) |
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| 15:46.59 | chelz | LtL: any problems with flash, firefox, java, or anything like that? |
| 15:47.00 | the-dude | the I386 branche is named after intel but nobody ever thinks of that :) |
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| 15:47.10 | LtL | chelz: apps like flash/java are problematic but solveable. |
| 15:47.50 | chelz | LtL: am i not able to seamlessly run 32bit apps? i must get 64bit versions? |
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| 15:48.29 | the-dude | imho java works fine, flash has some issues |
| 15:49.08 | LtL | chelz: you can install 32 bit libraries, but i forget how i did that. use official debian repo's |
| 15:49.45 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - I'm wondering if anyone can help me shed some light on a really aggravating problem I'm having with text selection/highlighting in gtk-based applications (using squeeze) |
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| 15:51.03 | ToreadorVampire | I am seeing it both using the mouse and also when using the keyboard shortcuts to select text (shift + arrow keys). The selection is being cleared before I have released the shift key |
| 15:51.39 | ToreadorVampire | Or - if I'm using the mouse, before I have let go of the mouse button |
| 15:51.40 | chelz | alright thanks |
| 15:52.18 | ToreadorVampire | I'd been having the issue with Ubuntu, I finally got tired of Ubuntu (too many aggravating issues) and made the switch to debian squeeze today, but the issue has followed me :( |
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| 15:54.12 | ToreadorVampire | Wondering if anyone had seen anything like it before, or could even give me some advice as to how to properly diagnose it. I /really/ want to find a workaround, but I basically have no idea where to start, I don't know whether it's caused by KDE4 (I'm running squeeze in order to get kde4), a mistake in gtk, xorg ... when I've been to those guys' channels they are all keen to defer the blame to each other :s |
| 15:54.52 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, at debian/x86_64 kde4 squeeze i have no such issue |
| 15:55.10 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, can you be more specific? |
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| 15:55.28 | ente | hi |
| 15:55.31 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: Erm, it's difficult but I'll try |
| 15:55.34 | ente | can anyone help me with pam? |
| 15:55.43 | ranix | !tell ente about ask |
| 15:55.56 | ente | ranix: fine. |
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| 15:56.24 | ente | dpkg told me @include common-pammount is deprecated |
| 15:56.24 | dpkg | okay, ente |
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| 15:56.34 | ToreadorVampire | What should happen: I can hold down the shift key and use the arrow keys to select text. As long as keep holding shift down, using the arrow keys moves the caret and my selection changes |
| 15:56.58 | ente | but I didn't find what I'm supposed to replace it with via google |
| 15:57.22 | themill | dpkg, forget told me @include common-pammount |
| 15:57.22 | dpkg | i forgot told me @include common-pammount, themill |
| 15:57.29 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, you dont need to use the shift key to select text, just left-click (hold it pressed and drag to the end, then release |
| 15:57.38 | ente | themill: huh? |
| 15:57.58 | themill | ente: you accidentally added a factoid to the bot |
| 15:58.18 | ente | ah |
| 15:58.21 | ente | sorry |
| 15:58.23 | ToreadorVampire | What happens to me: I hold down the shift key, press the arrow keys and I see the caret move and begin selecting text. Then, after the slightest pause in pressing an arrow key (I would say less than ½ a second) but before I have released the shift key, the selection is cleared and now if I press the arrow key again a new selection is generated |
| 15:58.31 | glasyalabolis | dutchfish: ToreadorVampire: Or - if I'm using the mouse, before I have let go of the mouse button |
| 15:59.02 | dutchfish | glasyalabolis, yes |
| 15:59.08 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: Right, but the same thing happens if I'm using the mouse - if I pause moving the mouse for a split-second, the selection gets cleared and moving the mouse again begins creating a whole new selection :( |
| 15:59.49 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, even if you keep it pressed (left button)? |
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| 16:00.18 | ToreadorVampire | Yes |
| 16:00.31 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, what mouse? |
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| 16:01.04 | ToreadorVampire | Well, I have two mice on this laptop - I have a builtin synaptics touchpad and also a USB mouse I plug in |
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| 16:01.35 | ToreadorVampire | Hang on, hang on ... this is not identical to how it happened on ubuntu ... |
| 16:01.38 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, what happens if you temperarely disable synaptics? |
| 16:01.50 | ToreadorVampire | Well the touchpad is switched off right now |
| 16:01.54 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 16:03.08 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, fyi, i had simular things, turned out i was accidently touching the touchpad when i was typing..... |
| 16:03.10 | kevinmiter | hello guys, when will kernel 2.6.31 join the sid? |
| 16:03.37 | dserban_ | I installed a stripped down version of sid. It's been a while since I've done it so I forget what packages are required for sound to work .. used to be alsa-base which provided alsa-setup. That's no longer available. What do I do? |
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| 16:04.54 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, secondly some mouse have 4 speed (dpi) settings, make it not auto in the setup |
| 16:05.15 | ranix | dserban_: alsa alsa-utils iirc |
| 16:05.20 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: lol, sadly no, this is nothing as simple as fat-finger-syndrome against the touchpad :) |
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| 16:05.30 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, i have seen it flapping between 2 resolutions hence the strange deselects |
| 16:05.46 | ente | fuuuu |
| 16:05.50 | ranix | dserban_: alsa is a metapackage that contains alsa-base and some others |
| 16:05.52 | ente | damn |
| 16:06.23 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, i would inspect dmesg and xorg.log carefully, also your mouse settings within kde4 |
| 16:06.24 | dserban_ | ranix, yeah I saw that, just wondering if alsa-setup is still required :) or should it just work? |
| 16:06.30 | ToreadorVampire | Also - hold on - this is different - all of a sudden I can't reproduce the problem with my mouse |
| 16:06.32 | ToreadorVampire | wtfs |
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| 16:06.37 | ente | is there anything known about slim crashes? |
| 16:06.41 | ranix | dserban_: last time I did it, I used alsaconf |
| 16:06.49 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, automagaically cured? ;) |
| 16:07.04 | ranix | dserban_: it was recently but there was hardware problems involved so my vision of the install process is foggy now |
| 16:07.10 | ToreadorVampire | Hmm, yes and no - I can't reproduce it with the mouse but it is still a problem with the keyboard |
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| 16:07.18 | ToreadorVampire | And still only in GTK-based applications |
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| 16:07.42 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, what app specifically? |
| 16:07.55 | dserban_ | hmm yeah, there's no alsaconf available... alsa and alsa-utils are installed.... alsamixer shows me that it's working I think heh. |
| 16:08.05 | ToreadorVampire | gedit is the app I'm using for testing/reproducing this |
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| 16:09.04 | ente | slim downgrade -> works |
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| 16:09.27 | zinx | ente: what is "slim"? |
| 16:10.03 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, nope, nothing wrong with gedit here |
| 16:10.07 | ente | nope, I was wrong |
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| 16:10.37 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, but only if the screen loses focus, it will deselect, i consider that normal |
| 16:10.41 | ente | zinx: a login manager that is less bloated |
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| 16:11.00 | ente | and does not depend from any desktop environment |
| 16:11.01 | ToreadorVampire | No, I'm not taking focus away |
| 16:11.09 | ente | but it seems not to like pam_mount... |
| 16:11.13 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, ok |
| 16:11.54 | ToreadorVampire | Hmm, I've just had a go recording what I mean with istanbul - might make it more obvious what's happening once I know the file plays back I'll link it |
| 16:12.21 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, i can even select with shit-arrows and continue with mouse and back without losing focus |
| 16:12.31 | dutchfish | s/shit/shift |
| 16:12.36 | ranix | I liked it better when it was constantinople |
| 16:13.25 | ToreadorVampire | Hmm, OK - looks like I'm gonna have to install the proper nvidia driver before I can use istanbul properly, it's going crazy and recording a horrid flickering image |
| 16:13.32 | ToreadorVampire | So no screen recording of what I mean for now :( |
| 16:13.41 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, i think you have to look more closely to dmesg, mouse setup, specially because in the combination with synaptics |
| 16:13.43 | ente | grah |
| 16:14.10 | ente | I probably should just switch back to arch again with that machine >:( |
| 16:14.11 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, instabul is orken atm in squeeze |
| 16:14.24 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: Ohrite, well - that will explain it |
| 16:14.26 | dutchfish | broken |
| 16:14.56 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, look at the bts |
| 16:15.03 | ToreadorVampire | bts? |
| 16:15.09 | dutchfish | !bts |
| 16:15.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 16:15.16 | ToreadorVampire | ohrite |
| 16:15.45 | themill | ente: have you looked at the bts for this? |
| 16:17.09 | ToreadorVampire | Also, on a related note my clipboard is screwed up, I can't even copy-paste the dmesg output from konsole :( |
| 16:17.20 | ToreadorVampire | (into pastebin.com lol I wasn't going to paste it here) |
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| 16:17.34 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, you could have shorten this if you question was: Why is my mouse acting strange when i use istanbul on squeeze ;) |
| 16:18.05 | ente | themill: I think it is pam_mount related |
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| 16:18.14 | ToreadorVampire | Woah woah, no - I wasn't using istanbul - heck, I only installed istanbul to try and help diagnose the problem |
| 16:18.26 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 16:18.27 | themill | !dbugs 476248 |
| 16:18.30 | dpkg | #476248:M[slim] pls include /etc/pam.d/slim (); Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:36:02 UTC [] |
| 16:18.33 | ente | themill: if I mount it with pam_mount using ssh and after that log in with slim I don't have any problems |
| 16:18.35 | themill | ente: ^^ |
| 16:18.45 | yang | Is there a way to install package-* all ? |
| 16:19.03 | ente | themill: I have that file. |
| 16:19.20 | yang | for example libxcb- has 50 packages named libxcb...., I would like to retrieve all |
| 16:19.20 | ente | slim worked fine before the last upgrade |
| 16:19.49 | themill | ente: except you just said that downgrading didn't solve the problem |
| 16:19.51 | ToreadorVampire | OK - maybe related maybe not related but my clipboard is totally screwed up. Back when I had this problem in Ubuntu there was more to it: Not only would the selection get forcibly cleared when I didn't want it to be, what I had selected got forcibly copied to the clipboard |
| 16:20.20 | ToreadorVampire | Now that's not quite the same here in Debian - instead my clipboard has the characters "a " in it and I can't seem to overwrite them with anything else |
| 16:20.27 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, ok, can paste your dmesg and xorg.log to pastebin.com? |
| 16:20.29 | ente | themill: yeah, which is really weird |
| 16:20.40 | ente | themill: but I definitely have /etc/pam.d/slim |
| 16:20.44 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: No, because my clipboard is messed up :( |
| 16:20.53 | ToreadorVampire | All I can paste is "a " |
| 16:20.53 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, hehe use pastebinit |
| 16:21.03 | themill | yang: you could "aptitude install ~n^libxcb-" but I doubt that's actually what you want to do |
| 16:21.45 | ToreadorVampire | pastebinit ? |
| 16:21.54 | ToreadorVampire | That a script of some kind? |
| 16:22.06 | ente | themill: I'll have a look at the pam logfile. |
| 16:22.10 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, aptitude show pastebinit |
| 16:22.11 | ente | maybe it |
| 16:22.13 | ente | 's a pam bug |
| 16:22.26 | ToreadorVampire | Also, wait, I can dump the dmesg to a file and pop that on my webserver - that will work and doesn't rely on my clipboard |
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| 16:24.08 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:24.50 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: OK - http://toreadorvampire.co.uk/stuff/dmesg.txt and http://toreadorvampire.co.uk/stuff/Xorg.log |
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| 16:25.35 | JPT | mh...now i'm in a hypothetical situation... is there a way to make sure whether a system got hacked or not? :> (it's a virtual private server, so i can start it in a "rescue system" in order to check some more things) |
| 16:25.52 | |Mike| | chkrootkit |
| 16:26.01 | JPT | hm |
| 16:26.07 | JPT | is it possible to rootkit a virtual server? |
| 16:26.14 | helo | there isn't a way to be sure |
| 16:26.14 | buntfalke | is pdftops lossless/ |
| 16:26.18 | buntfalke | is pdftops lossless? |
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| 16:26.19 | ToreadorVampire | of course it is |
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| 16:26.25 | buntfalke | ToreadorVampire: why? |
| 16:26.31 | |Mike| | JPT: yep.. |
| 16:26.34 | JPT | hm... |
| 16:26.43 | ToreadorVampire | buntfalke: Sorry, was replying to JPT not you |
| 16:26.47 | rudi_s_ | JPT: Best way is to backup the stuff and make a clean reinstall. |
| 16:26.56 | JPT | :> |
| 16:26.59 | |Mike| | rudi_s_: that's bull*crap* :P |
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| 16:27.04 | buntfalke | JPT: it is just hopefully not escalate from there to the host or other virtuals |
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| 16:27.08 | JPT | but the rootkit should not be able to infiltrate the host system? :) |
| 16:27.16 | JPT | hm |
| 16:27.18 | JPT | welll |
| 16:27.20 | buntfalke | ToreadorVampire: np :-) |
| 16:27.24 | JPT | it's a hypothetical situation |
| 16:27.27 | |Mike| | JPT: hypervm? |
| 16:27.28 | helo | if you think the machine may have been compromised, rudi_s_ is correct |
| 16:27.29 | rudi_s_ | |Mike|: What would you do? |
| 16:27.34 | ToreadorVampire | JPT: The best policy if "you suspect you have been pwned" is to reprovision the whole machine and restore data from backups |
| 16:27.35 | JPT | my provider sent us an email that many vms got hacked |
| 16:27.48 | helo | if you are just randomly paranoid, then you don't need to reinstall |
| 16:27.53 | JPT | hehe |
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| 16:28.12 | |Mike| | rudi_s_: check for bugs, old software, /tmp /dev/shm and run chkrootkit, but if you run Joomla or something, i would rm -rf / yeah. |
| 16:28.17 | d1b | JPT: rootkit == you are pwned |
| 16:28.18 | JPT | it's not random, but i want to know more about possible things ;) |
| 16:28.19 | d1b | JPT: start again |
| 16:28.25 | d1b | :) |
| 16:28.33 | |Mike| | what kind of VM is it? |
| 16:28.40 | |Mike| | Xen, hypervm... ? |
| 16:28.46 | JPT | |Mike|: do you know how to find that out? |
| 16:28.51 | rudi_s_ | |Mike|: Hm .. well, you can't be sure if you don't reinstall. But if it's only theoretically then checking is fine. |
| 16:28.55 | |Mike| | no, i'm a noob :) |
| 16:28.58 | d1b | JPT: uname -a |
| 16:29.01 | JPT | Linux vserver1254 2.6.30.2-domU-v3 #3 SMP Mon Jul 27 11:15:28 CEST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:29.03 | d1b | erh and lsmod |
| 16:29.07 | d1b | JPT: xen |
| 16:29.09 | d1b | by the looks of it |
| 16:29.14 | |Mike| | Xen <3 |
| 16:29.17 | JPT | hmm |
| 16:29.18 | JPT | lol |
| 16:29.20 | ToreadorVampire | Yay xen :) |
| 16:29.21 | d1b | JPT: you need a new kernel |
| 16:29.26 | ToreadorVampire | shares the love |
| 16:29.28 | JPT | Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory |
| 16:29.37 | JPT | mhh |
| 16:29.40 | |Mike| | what runs on your box jpt ? |
| 16:29.41 | d1b | JPT: that kernel has a local user priv escalation exploit |
| 16:29.52 | JPT | |Mike|: just a single bb and a websoccer simulation |
| 16:30.07 | |Mike| | and what dirty php (read old joomla / mambo) scripts do you ie. your costumers run? |
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| 16:30.29 | JPT | i am the only one who is able to modify files on that server or log in via ssh |
| 16:30.43 | JPT | so if the box did not get compromised, it should be secure |
| 16:30.47 | |Mike| | ssh -l root && no ssh keys ? |
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| 16:31.44 | JPT | mh |
| 16:31.50 | JPT | root login is denied |
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| 16:32.09 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, from what i have seen in the logs i would check acpi and also e100 is a suspect related to acpi, might be that conflicting interupts on PS/2 spoil the whole thing, the pain starts in dmesg at [ 215.405073] |
| 16:32.24 | d1b | JPT: you should check logs / ensure that logs are kept off the system as well as on it |
| 16:32.28 | d1b | etc. |
| 16:32.41 | |Mike| | CSF <3 |
| 16:32.42 | JPT | d1b: i'm just "owning" the vm, not the host system |
| 16:32.56 | d1b | JPT: yes and? |
| 16:33.07 | |Mike| | if the host system is compromised, all vm's are affected, my humble opinion. |
| 16:33.09 | d1b | i have a procmail setup to send me my mail to my gmail, gpg encrypted |
| 16:33.17 | JPT | yeah..hmm |
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| 16:33.29 | JPT | if the host system is compromised, i cannot do anything |
| 16:33.37 | d1b | JPT: i agree with mike, i would reinstall depending on the worth of the system |
| 16:33.43 | d1b | JPT: keep everything in version control ;) |
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| 16:33.57 | JPT | hm...okay;) |
| 16:33.57 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, 1st try blacklisting e100 temporarely and reboot ans see if problem sustains, the same with choosing high performance shedular |
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| 16:34.20 | |Mike| | JPT: could you run chkrootkit and paste an ls -l /tmp && ls -l /var/tmp on a pastebin? |
| 16:34.30 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, asuming your mouse is not broeken |
| 16:34.47 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: Well, the e100 network connection going up down was me pulling the lead out and putting it back in in order to determine whether I can use the builtin wifi, but that clearly needs some more config before I can use it in debian ... |
| 16:35.09 | dutchfish | nods |
| 16:35.15 | JPT | |Mike|: just the usual cherokee php socket and a vi.recover folder :) |
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| 16:35.31 | JPT | hm |
| 16:35.44 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, also check bios if this is intrupt related |
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| 16:35.50 | JyZyXEL | how do you change mouse cursor in X? |
| 16:35.53 | dutchfish | s/intrupt/interupt |
| 16:36.17 | zinx | JyZyXEL: your desktop environment probably lets you change it |
| 16:36.18 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, maybe also you can check with another mouse preferably usb? |
| 16:36.23 | JyZyXEL | zinx: no it doesn't |
| 16:36.36 | zinx | JyZyXEL: which desktop environment? |
| 16:36.37 | JyZyXEL | im not running an desktop environment |
| 16:36.44 | zinx | JyZyXEL: install one |
| 16:36.47 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 16:36.52 | ToreadorVampire | ... there is a known ACPI issue with this laptop's firmware (BIOS in fact) - it mainly screws up the GPU fan ... I have a fixed DSDT that I add to the kernel that solves the problem. I haven't actually added that fix to this laptop yet though - but it was happening in ubuntu both before and after I had installed the patch |
| 16:37.05 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, and last toggle legacy mode for usb if available in bios |
| 16:37.08 | esaym153 | what is a good IDE for c++ that will allow me to step through code easily step by step |
| 16:37.15 | zinx | JyZyXEL: then read up on X resources |
| 16:37.17 | ToreadorVampire | This is a near-virgin installation atm, only installed it a few hours ago and haven't finished setting it up yet |
| 16:37.30 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, ok |
| 16:38.04 | ToreadorVampire | The mouse is definitely fine - been using it on a few machines |
| 16:38.20 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, ok, we can rule that one out then |
| 16:38.50 | ToreadorVampire | Right, let's have a peek at the bios - bbl |
| 16:39.00 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, you can use dmidecode, lspci and consortium to find out more |
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| 16:39.23 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, powertop is another good tool to see what happens related to acpi |
| 16:39.33 | silidan1 | hi, i am trying to install jre on debian lenny, is there a GOOD tutorial out there? |
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| 16:41.03 | emorris | hi, at the moment i have two specifications in /etc/network/interfaces and i comment out the one i'm not using. Is there any way to specify "try using this dhcp, if not, try static with these settings"? |
| 16:41.21 | NoCode | Would anyone suggest doing something like this: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/my-sourceslist-for-debian-lennysid/ |
| 16:41.22 | themill | emorris: ifplugd+guessnet are a way of doing that |
| 16:41.37 | emorris | ooh i have ifplugd |
| 16:41.42 | emorris | i'll have a look |
| 16:41.47 | mns | I am trying to pin a few packages to a particular version but am not able to do so. I've got the following in my /etc/apt/preferences files http://paste.debian.net/46800/ yet whenever I do 'aptitude safe-upgrade' it still tries to upgrade mesa packages from 7.0.3 to 7.5.1 |
| 16:41.56 | hjb2 | \nick hjb |
| 16:42.00 | emorris | themill: do you mean i need both of those or just one? |
| 16:42.03 | silidan1 | ok ill be more precise, i tryed to install jre with make-jpkg, but it only says No matching plugin was found. |
| 16:42.19 | silidan1 | what can i do? |
| 16:42.30 | emorris | themill: never mind; both i gather |
| 16:42.43 | themill | emorris: ifplugd is a way of bringing your interface up when a cable is plugged in (which is part of what you need), guessnet works out what network you're on to choose the setup you want |
| 16:43.08 | themill | silidan1: any reason not to use one of the jres that are already in the debian archive? |
| 16:43.32 | silidan1 | hm... dunno.. what would you suggest to use along icsweasel? |
| 16:43.36 | emorris | themill: yeah, got it, thank you very much |
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| 16:43.54 | themill | silidan1: lenny? i386? |
| 16:43.57 | emorris | themill: sorry that sounded badly phrased :-S |
| 16:44.14 | emorris | i meant it in the good way |
| 16:44.18 | themill | emorris: no worries! |
| 16:44.20 | silidan1 | yep |
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| 16:44.49 | themill | silidan1: just grab the "sun-java6-plugin" package from non-free. /msg dpkg install java ; /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 16:45.30 | ToreadorVampire | Woah |
| 16:45.32 | dfinn | anyone have any experience using partimage (as part of system rescue cd) to image servers? |
| 16:46.01 | ToreadorVampire | dutchfish: Touch wood, but changing the "legacy USB" option in the BIOS may or may not have fixed it |
| 16:46.17 | dutchfish | ToreadorVampire, x fingers |
| 16:46.19 | ToreadorVampire | Like - I can't reproduce the problem now |
| 16:46.33 | ToreadorVampire | If it is solved then you sir are made of pure awesome and win |
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| 16:46.52 | ToreadorVampire | That problem has been bugging me since early May this year |
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| 16:48.09 | rgr | Can you pleas recommend a decent video taker for a portion of the screen and then SW to annotate the video with on screen pointers etc? |
| 16:48.31 | ToreadorVampire | would recommend istanbul (usually) |
| 16:48.39 | ToreadorVampire | Except that I was told that it's broken in squeeze :( |
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| 16:51.52 | rgr | hmm. just installed it and ran it on lenny and it just sits there. no gui. nothing. |
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| 16:52.47 | rgr | and, no surprise, no menu entry either. ffs. |
| 16:53.13 | ToreadorVampire | rgr: Erm, it's a system tray app |
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| 16:53.49 | ToreadorVampire | You fire it up, it has a right-click menu with a few rudimentary options, left click it's icon once to begin recording, left click again to stop (and invoke a save dialog) |
| 16:53.50 | sphenxes | I am using tar and rsync to back up my system. I have read about Amanda back up system. My question: is there a program more sophisticated than tar and easier to use than Amanda? or what is the best software you use for backup? |
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| 16:54.17 | ToreadorVampire | It doesn't do all of what you wanted - it's just a screen recorder, but maybe that will help get you started |
| 16:54.26 | rgr | sphenxes: use rsnapshot. |
| 16:54.45 | ToreadorVampire | uses backup-manager and it seems to be OK |
| 16:54.46 | sphenxes | rgr, thanks |
| 16:54.46 | silidan1 | themill: thanks it worked |
| 16:55.02 | themill | silidan1: excellent |
| 16:55.04 | rgr | ToreadorVampire: nothing in my system tray either. Hmm. Maybe gnome needs a restart. |
| 16:55.20 | ToreadorVampire | You do need to start istanbul first ;) |
| 16:55.39 | ToreadorVampire | If there's nothing in your gnome apps menu then the command is simply istanbul |
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| 16:56.10 | ToreadorVampire | The icon looks like a little "start" symbol (and when it's recording that changes to a "stop" symbol) |
| 16:56.52 | rgr | funny enough I knew you had to start it first :-; A gnome restart fixed it. |
| 16:56.58 | ToreadorVampire | haha OK |
| 16:57.01 | rgr | thanks will give it a go |
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| 16:58.44 | ToreadorVampire | Quick question because I'm new to using debian for desktop machines (have always used ubuntu) - does debian provide any of the proprietary drivers in its repos or do I /have/ to go get them from the original makers? In this case I'm looking for a decent nvidia x driver |
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| 16:59.08 | ToreadorVampire | I have no real issue going to nvidia's FTP but if there's a repository version then I'll try that first |
| 16:59.18 | themill | ToreadorVampire: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:59.55 | ToreadorVampire | themill: OK - looks like there is thanks :) |
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| 17:01.08 | rgr | ToreadorVampire: well, it wont be istanbul. It manages about a frame a second on a selected region for some reason! I'll try xvidcap. |
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| 17:02.31 | rgr | and xvidcap segfaults complaining of xmonad being a non compatible WM! lol. |
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| 17:03.49 | ToreadorVampire | Hmm, brb, restarting xorg to use this proper video driver |
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| 17:09.26 | tomcatNewbie | hi |
| 17:09.43 | tomcatNewbie | does anybody know if there is a debian repository that provides newer tomcat versions? in current stable debian "only" provides tomcat 5.5 and i would like to have the tomcat in default update process |
| 17:10.13 | francois_ | Hello everyone, i've got a problem for installing a firmware about wifi driver. I downloaded it from a website, i got a .arm file and i moved it to /lib/firmware, but when i'm typing iwconfig or ifconfig command, i don't get any interface |
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| 17:11.40 | JordiGH | Where is the coreutils info page? Which package? |
| 17:11.40 | ToreadorVampire | Gah! I've just tried to use the repos nvidia driver on my laptop, ran nvidia-xconfig and now I can't get x to start at all :( It's complaining about not being able to load any devices |
| 17:12.06 | ToreadorVampire | Sadly, I ran nvidia-xconfig twice (in case there was an error) and in doing so it's obliterated the backup of my xorg.conf :( |
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| 17:12.34 | ToreadorVampire | Anyone know which package I need to reinstall in order to force debian to re-write its default xorg.conf ? |
| 17:12.47 | JordiGH | !drxx |
| 17:12.47 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 17:12.57 | JordiGH | !xorg config |
| 17:12.57 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 17:13.20 | ToreadorVampire | ty |
| 17:13.24 | JordiGH | np |
| 17:13.24 | glasyalabolis | JordiGH: Try aptitude show coreutils.If you want specific man pages for any of the programs that come with coreutils just man <program> |
| 17:13.39 | JordiGH | glasyalabolis: No, not manpages, info pages... They're some GFDL stupidity going on. |
| 17:13.52 | glasyalabolis | JordiGH: ah ok then, I don't know |
| 17:14.06 | JordiGH | Never mind, I just wasn't invoking info correctly. |
| 17:14.23 | Pnux | hey guys, i was just upgrading Squeeze and i according to grub-pc, i need to specify the linux command line.. im unsure of what to put there. It says that the following command line was taken from /etc/default/grub, but it shows an empty string. |
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| 17:15.22 | GhostOfToreadorP | Excellent - just deleting everything out of xorg.conf allowed me to start X :) |
| 17:15.41 | Fersure | Hey. Just wondering - How come Slim isn't in the squeeze repos? |
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| 17:16.32 | glasyalabolis | tomcatNewbie: tomcat6 appears to be in debian testing but if you're running stable you should search around or ask around about the risks of crossing packages from different releases. I'm not equiped to advise you on those issues ; ) |
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| 17:17.11 | Fersure | I can see it in the lenny/sid repos but not squeeze. |
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| 17:18.31 | tomcatNewbie | whell, glasyalalabolis, it will be used on a productive server, so testing is not soooo good idea ;) i found a howto where it is described, but i get a very damn bad feeling by adding testing packages to a productive server |
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| 17:18.39 | Je | Alors quoi bandes de cons, quoi de neuf sur debian ? |
| 17:18.48 | glasyalabolis | tomcatNewbie: I would too lol |
| 17:18.52 | tomcatNewbie | hmmm, does anyone know, when debian 6 is out *duck* |
| 17:18.59 | Je | Parlez français quand je suis là. |
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| 17:19.35 | chellomere | !fr |
| 17:19.36 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:19.49 | Je | Marche pas |
| 17:20.01 | Je | [19:19] #debianfr unable to join channel (address is banned) |
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| 17:20.21 | chellomere | Je, note that you misspelled it |
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| 17:20.34 | Je | Tu as dis quoi chellomere ? |
| 17:20.40 | tomcatNewbie | hmm, k - i will look around a bit more but it would be better to maintain it manually than using testing packages :P |
| 17:20.42 | Je | Tu as insulté ma mère ? |
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| 17:21.01 | AcTiVaTe | Don't you just hate trolls, especially foreign ones |
| 17:21.02 | chellomere | Je, sorry, I don't speak french and I did not insult you |
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| 17:21.24 | chellomere | Je, #debian-fr, not #debianfr. |
| 17:21.42 | tomcatNewbie | thanks for help, glasyalabolis |
| 17:21.47 | Je | #debian-fr #debianfr Forwarding to another channel |
| 17:21.47 | Je | - |
| 17:21.47 | Je | [19:21] #debianfr unable to join channel (address is banned) |
| 17:22.10 | glasyalabolis | tomcatNewbie: my pleasure, good luck |
| 17:22.31 | chellomere | I guess you're banned then. but make sure that you're doing it on oftc and not freenode. |
| 17:22.39 | Pnux | hey guys, i was just upgrading Squeeze and i according to grub-pc, i need to specify the linux command line.. im unsure of what to put there. It says that the following command line was taken from /etc/default/grub, but it shows an empty string.. Is it /bin/bash? |
| 17:22.58 | cahoot | it's just an option |
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| 17:24.53 | Kovensky | would installing nvidia-glx break other drivers' 3d accel? |
| 17:25.13 | Kovensky | like, would nvidia-glx, intel and radeon/radeonhd all work when installed on the same system? |
| 17:25.23 | Kovensky | (ofc only one being used at atime) |
| 17:25.28 | Kovensky | s/ati/a ti/ |
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| 17:25.44 | glasyalabolis | I'd appreciate it if anyone could help me out, a summary of my problem is here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45250 |
| 17:25.54 | ranix | Kovensky: I think you could run multiple X servers, each one with a different display |
| 17:26.04 | ranix | Kovensky: you might be able to do something crazy with xinerama |
| 17:26.15 | Kovensky | what I worry about is libGL conflicts |
| 17:26.20 | ranix | Kovensky: you mayhave problems with input |
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| 17:27.13 | Kovensky | at least nouveau doesn't like nvidia-glx's libGL |
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| 17:32.44 | ToreadorVampire | Well - this install of squeeze is actually coming together :) |
| 17:33.45 | ToreadorVampire | Hmm, I may have to ditch iceweasel though ... I see that squeeze only has equivalent-to-firefox version 3.0.x included, I really want my FF to be bleeding-edge ... |
| 17:33.45 | ToreadorVampire | ... but I suppose I can just instal that manually |
| 17:33.46 | ToreadorVampire | install* |
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| 17:35.06 | abrotman | ToreadorVampire: eventually 3.5.x will get in there |
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| 17:35.51 | reber | emacs segfaults with ecb (ecb-activate), and without any .emacs file, on debian/squeeze. Ideas ? |
| 17:36.29 | Titan8990_ | reber, emacs 22 or 23? |
| 17:36.30 | ToreadorVampire | Yeah - but I'm a web dev, and I really care about my web browser (especially keen to have tracemonkey) - but I have installed FF manually before, it wasn't too hard |
| 17:37.02 | Titan8990_ | !firefox |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | methinks firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
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| 17:41.58 | ToreadorVampire | Titan8990: Eryeah - I know that - but Iceweasel is only up to version 3.0.x and (AFAICT) the only way I'm gonna get 3.5.x in squeeze is to manually install FF and ditch iceweasel completely |
| 17:42.45 | justin | ToreadorVampire: download FF tarball. untar. ./firefox/firefox |
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| 17:43.20 | ToreadorVampire | justin: Er, is that enough to change version numbers? I had assumed there would probably be more to it than that |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | ToreadorVampire: you can get iceweasel 3.5.x from experimental if you are savvy enough |
| 17:43.31 | justin | ToreadorVampire: nope. not more too it |
| 17:44.01 | ToreadorVampire | justin: Ohwait, I misread what you said - you're just describing installing it |
| 17:44.36 | ToreadorVampire | I thought you were saying "I can upgrade my iceweasel 3.0 to 3.5 by substituting the binary from a FF 3.5 tarball" hence being skeptical |
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| 17:45.17 | ToreadorVampire | abrotman: And yeah, but do I want to pursue that when the "install FF" procedure is so dead easy - extract the tarball then execute it |
| 17:45.25 | Je | Bon, elles sont où les filles ? |
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| 17:45.38 | Je | Allez déguisez vous en filles pour que je baise un peu moi ici. |
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| 17:45.52 | Je | Bandes de salopes ! A poils ! |
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| 17:46.36 | cydork | !fr |
| 17:46.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:46.41 | Je | Allez vite vite car je débande !!! ( debian ) LOL |
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| 17:47.02 | adb | !ops Je spam |
| 17:47.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Je spam |
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| 17:48.04 | abrotman | how is that spam ? |
| 17:48.11 | Hydroxide | abrotman: the content of what he was saying |
| 17:48.22 | abrotman | oh, no habla francais! |
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| 17:48.56 | abrotman | (well, not enough to make sense of most of that) |
| 17:48.57 | ranix | he said "hurry up because I have to go" |
| 17:49.24 | ranix | oh wait |
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| 17:49.29 | ranix | haha I scrolled up |
| 17:49.33 | ranix | it's legit abrotman |
| 17:49.38 | abrotman | i see that now |
| 17:50.11 | Ayuda_Buffalo | Hi guys, someone knows how to activate a Wifi "Buffalo Air Station G54" many thanks!! |
| 17:50.28 | Hydroxide | Ayuda_Buffalo: how does this relate to Debian? |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | Ayuda_Buffalo: is that a wifi card? |
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| 17:50.47 | Ayuda_Buffalo | USB Wifi abrot |
| 17:51.01 | Ayuda_Buffalo | Hydro, haha |
| 17:51.09 | Hydroxide | Ayuda_Buffalo: ah. and you're trying to use it with debian? |
| 17:51.23 | Ayuda_Buffalo | hydro, of course.. |
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| 17:51.39 | Hydroxide | Ayuda_Buffalo: ok :) you'd be amazed how many people ask for help with non-debian OSes here |
| 17:52.24 | Ayuda_Buffalo | oh.. i understand. |
| 17:52.32 | abrotman | Ayuda_Buffalo: do you know which chipset it is ? |
| 17:52.54 | Hydroxide | Ayuda_Buffalo: lspci might help you answer abrotman's question |
| 17:53.05 | NoCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.12 | abrotman | !RTL8187 |
| 17:53.13 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 17:53.15 | abrotman | it's usb |
| 17:53.27 | Hydroxide | right, so lsusb then |
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| 17:58.08 | Ayuda_Buffalo | mm rt2500? |
| 17:59.02 | Ayuda_Buffalo | as could activate it with ifconfig? |
| 17:59.48 | abrotman | who said rt2500 ? |
| 17:59.57 | abrotman | this is why we asked for the chipset |
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| 18:00.49 | Ayuda_Buffalo | yes.. |
| 18:01.09 | Ayuda_Buffalo | the chipset is rt2500 |
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| 18:04.27 | glasyalabolis | Ayuda_Buffalo: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads says that "Next-Generation" drivers have been in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. However I'm not sure about "Enhanced Legacy" drivers. Perhaps you should install rultilt and see how that works for you |
| 18:04.44 | glasyalabolis | aptitude install rutilt |
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| 18:06.17 | Ayuda_Buffalo | mm, thanks.. But now i'm using a Live CD. |
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| 18:07.26 | buzzybron | hi |
| 18:07.54 | buzzybron | how do i install a mysql on a machine without network using a thumb drive? |
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| 18:09.40 | Titan8990_ | buzzybron, download the deb and all its dependencies and install via dpkg |
| 18:10.15 | Titan8990_ | not sure how much good a database w/o a network connection is going to do though.... |
| 18:11.29 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 18:11.30 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
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| 18:13.00 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, lol i gave the bot like 4 different commands trying to get a link to something like that... |
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| 18:13.41 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, I would recommend it for the "Also see" section of the sources factoid |
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| 18:14.00 | Quazar | hi all, can someone give me a _easy_ tutorial on how to setup sudoers ? |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | man sudoers ? |
| 18:14.32 | Quazar | I said _easy_ |
| 18:14.51 | Quazar | I underscored that word on purpose |
| 18:14.54 | Vratha | Google |
| 18:15.02 | Titan8990_ | lmgtfy.com |
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| 18:15.21 | dkr | Extended Backus-Naur Form is a bit weird, I must admit |
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| 18:15.30 | Quazar | Ok how about this, can someone paste me a example of a sudoers file that i can use to get started? |
| 18:15.31 | Vratha | Titan8990: I was thinking just that |
| 18:15.44 | Quibusch | Hi, it seems completion with TAB doesn't work anymore if spaces are in the path... For whicih package should I file a bug? (I'm using bash... is this a bash bug?) |
| 18:15.54 | Vratha | Quazar: Your computer has one |
| 18:15.59 | Vratha | Man sudoers |
| 18:16.05 | Dryanta | Quibusch: apt-get install bash-completion |
| 18:16.11 | Quibusch | ? |
| 18:16.17 | Quibusch | is that new? |
| 18:16.20 | Dryanta | no |
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| 18:16.41 | Dryanta | it just adds more completions to bash |
| 18:16.44 | Quibusch | Dryanta: that package is already installed. |
| 18:16.51 | Quibusch | Completion works fine, only not when there are spaces in the path |
| 18:16.52 | Dryanta | then you have to hit tab twice |
| 18:16.55 | Dryanta | or give it more stuff |
| 18:16.58 | ToreadorVampire | Quazar: Erm, sudoers files are pretty tiny on desktop computers - there is a command that helps you edit your sudoers file also without shooting yourself in the foot: |
| 18:17.02 | ToreadorVampire | visudo |
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| 18:17.18 | Quibusch | Dryanta: believe me, it doesn't work (after 7 years of fine use) |
| 18:17.27 | Ayuda_Buffalo | Hi guys, someone knows how to activate a Wifi "Buffalo Air Station G54" many thanks!! |
| 18:17.31 | Dryanta | *shrug* |
| 18:17.39 | ToreadorVampire | Always use that to edit your sudoers file, because it checks it for parse errors before committing it (making it harder to lock yourself out) |
| 18:17.49 | ToreadorVampire | But really - it's pretty simple |
| 18:17.49 | Quazar | ToreadorVampire: i'd like to use that method instead of nano /etc/sudoers |
| 18:17.57 | ToreadorVampire | Then sudo visudo |
| 18:18.14 | Titan8990_ | lol not going to be able to sudo if he hasn't set it up yet |
| 18:18.25 | Quibusch | ah, found it |
| 18:18.31 | Quibusch | !bug 543982 |
| 18:18.32 | ToreadorVampire | The most complex thing I have ever done with sudoers is "myusername = (ALL) ALL" |
| 18:18.33 | Vratha | You wouldve known that had you read the man pages |
| 18:18.35 | Quazar | All i wanna do is add my account so i can mount my truecrypt volumes |
| 18:19.08 | ToreadorVampire | Quazar: Well, if you aren't already in sudoers then you'll have to log on as someone who is, or use plain old su instead |
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| 18:19.24 | Ayuda_Buffalo | Agan.. someone knows how to activate a Wifi "Buffalo Air Station G54" many thanks!! |
| 18:19.29 | Quazar | ToreadorVampire: no you dont understand |
| 18:19.30 | Quibusch | dpkg: bug 543982 |
| 18:19.30 | ajavid | I live! |
| 18:19.30 | dpkg | no idea, Quibusch |
| 18:19.41 | Quibusch | dpkg, tell me about bts |
| 18:19.41 | Quazar | I installed truecrypt using the Ubuntu package |
| 18:19.56 | Quazar | And in order to mount it i have to have a sudoers account at the ready |
| 18:19.57 | Titan8990_ | Quazar, stop there |
| 18:19.57 | dkr | haha |
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| 18:20.20 | Titan8990_ | Quazar, we don't support ubuntu's packages here |
| 18:20.20 | Quazar | Titan8990_: yeah yeah i dont wanna be flamed cause i turned to an ubuntu package |
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| 18:20.26 | Quazar | I just want to mount my volumes |
| 18:20.46 | Titan8990_ | not to mention it was probably compiled with a different glibc version and won't even work.... |
| 18:20.52 | Quazar | It works |
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| 18:21.15 | Quazar | Titan8990_: if im not mistaken, i didnt ask a ubuntu question |
| 18:21.31 | ToreadorVampire | Quazar: seriously though - man sudo |
| 18:21.43 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
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| 18:21.53 | ToreadorVampire | You have already exhausted more effort asking about "a simpler way to do it" than it would have taken to read the darn manpages |
| 18:22.02 | Quazar | ToreadorVampire: i did that, reading a bunch of useless shit i wont ever need =/ |
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| 18:22.22 | ToreadorVampire | Well, erm, clearly you do if you need to use sudo |
| 18:22.44 | markybob | Quazar, if you dont care to read, why would we care to hold your hand? |
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| 18:23.04 | dkr | maybe he's pretty |
| 18:23.13 | pngwn | ohhhhhhhh ;) |
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| 18:24.29 | Quazar | markybob: seeing how im trying to be civil i wont tell you what i really want to |
| 18:24.42 | Quazar | Considering im trying to figure something out, consider yourself lucky |
| 18:24.46 | Quazar | ToreadorVampire: i'll figure it out |
| 18:24.52 | Quazar | As usual |
| 18:25.33 | Hydroxide | Quazar: we're happy to help you learn Debian in a way that makes you end up able to help yourself. we're not happy to act as unpaid commercial-style support reps. |
| 18:25.34 | markybob | i should consider myself lucky? like i'd care about what you 'really want' to say? that's funny :) |
| 18:26.12 | Quazar | Hydroxide: which is why i turn to live help as a _last_ resort |
| 18:26.28 | Quazar | I'm signed up to several linux forums |
| 18:26.56 | Hydroxide | Quazar: that's perfectly fine. still, if people here point you to a document which answers your question and you refuse to read it, that's not helping us help you |
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| 18:27.02 | dkr | expertsexchange++ |
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| 18:27.19 | simonrvn | -- |
| 18:27.24 | trochala | Hello, I noticed a "Cleaning temporary files.." line during boot. Does anyone have a clue what triggers it? I am trying to debug an error with an initscript |
| 18:27.24 | ranix | dkr: obviously, you wouldn't want an amateur doing that |
| 18:27.38 | buzzybron | titan8990_:thank you! |
| 18:27.39 | Quazar | I guess what im looking for is a quick fix instead of polling over hundreds of man files lines |
| 18:27.42 | Hydroxide | dkr: expertsexchange amuses me ... they make a big deal of having a free 30-day trial offer, but if you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see the whole thread :) |
| 18:28.05 | Hydroxide | Quazar: man pages can be a quick fix if you learn how to search them (hint: use the / key assuming your man page viewer is less) |
| 18:28.22 | Hydroxide | Quazar: or learn how to skim them, as most of them have a standard format |
| 18:28.50 | BlueG | Testing is crashing for me a lot... I suspect recent updates to X, the crashes have occurred when starting gdm, previewing a screensaver, or when trying to start a new user desktop on another vt. |
| 18:28.58 | dkr | fully understanding a part of your system that gives root access to people is also a bit wiser from a security standpoint than looking for something to cut and paste into the config |
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| 18:29.25 | buzzybron | how can i find the debian mysql packages and the related dependencies? |
| 18:29.29 | dkr | BlueG: what video driver? |
| 18:29.32 | Hydroxide | BlueG: yeah, there was an email to debian-devel-announce recently about such upcoming breakage in testing |
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| 18:29.59 | Hydroxide | BlueG: there is a reason it's called "testing" and not "stable" :) |
| 18:30.02 | BlueG | Hydroxide: hmm, maybe I should subscribe... |
| 18:30.13 | Hydroxide | BlueG: if you're running testing or unstable, definitely |
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| 18:30.15 | markybob | buzzybron, http://packages.debian.org/mysql-server |
| 18:30.21 | BlueG | Hydroxide, haha, yes |
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| 18:30.45 | buzzybron | markybob: thanks! |
| 18:30.49 | Hydroxide | BlueG: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ will let you see archives, and probably has a subscribe button too |
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| 18:31.17 | BlueG | yes, I should probably read that announcement, lol |
| 18:31.28 | Quazar | I love this os |
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| 18:31.54 | skyfox | hello, i am intending to install debian from usb stick. "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it." i am a bit uncertaint which are those files |
| 18:32.20 | skyfox | the mini.iso ? |
| 18:32.29 | skyfox | maybe this http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 18:32.33 | skyfox | ? |
| 18:32.49 | nichos | hi all, what's the best way to share files between 2 linux boxes? nfs? |
| 18:33.17 | dkr | there are always trade-offs, but generally nfs is a good solution, yeah |
| 18:33.25 | ranix | nichos: samba, cifs, sshfs, nfs, depends on need |
| 18:33.36 | ranix | samba is generally a pain in the ass |
| 18:33.40 | Hydroxide | scp/sftp can work too :) |
| 18:33.49 | ranix | rsync |
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| 18:34.01 | Hydroxide | that too |
| 18:34.02 | BlueG | hmm, I don't see anything there that seems specifically related to this... |
| 18:34.07 | nichos | been using sftp, but would like to mount it just as a file (like /mnt/foo) for lots of read/writes |
| 18:34.09 | skyfox | you know which is the Debian netinst image? |
| 18:34.25 | Hydroxide | BlueG: I just meant the "testing is called testing for a reason ..." mail |
| 18:34.28 | Hydroxide | BlueG: from andreas barth |
| 18:34.56 | Hydroxide | BlueG: I don't run testing - I use lenny at work and on my personal server, and sid on my laptop. I also have access to a shared environment that just upgraded last weekend from etch to lenny |
| 18:35.15 | markybob | skyfox, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:35.16 | Hydroxide | BlueG: so I don't have the relevant experience to speak first-hand |
| 18:35.34 | BlueG | Hydroxide, yea I saw that one, but I don't think that is the problem here. |
| 18:36.08 | Hydroxide | ok then |
| 18:36.32 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: hello, ltns |
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| 18:37.04 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: hi |
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| 18:38.20 | BlueG | dkr: lspci -k doesn't list a driver associated with my graphics device and I'm pretty sure it did previously |
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| 18:39.00 | BlueG | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 18:39.20 | dkr | weird, maybe a a physical issue? perhaps re-seat the graphics card in its slot? oh, intel onboard, nevermind, :) |
| 18:39.37 | dkr | i845G is notorious for issues |
| 18:39.56 | dkr | at one point in our distro we couldn't switch virtual consoles or it crashed |
| 18:40.12 | JNSamuel | why not just open up the case |
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| 18:40.27 | Thms | is there any way to "reset" my serial port ? |
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| 18:40.51 | dkr | Thms: setserial may have an option |
| 18:40.53 | yurii | How can I kill all apache2 processes? i've tried sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop but it won't work |
| 18:40.57 | BlueG | dkr: well, it was previously working fine, and I think it was also using a module... |
| 18:41.17 | JNSamuel | sudo killall apache2 |
| 18:41.23 | skyfox | thanks |
| 18:41.35 | yurii | JNSamuel: command not found |
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| 18:43.02 | JNSamuel | then do: killall apache2 as root |
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| 18:43.13 | JNSamuel | and pretty please, install sudo |
| 18:43.35 | yurii | JNSamuel: i'm in root, and killall is an unknown command |
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| 18:45.28 | JNSamuel | are you kidding me? |
| 18:45.42 | yurii | JNSamuel: no |
| 18:45.42 | yurii | server:~# killall apache2 -bash: killall: command not found |
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| 18:45.46 | dgomez | somebody implemented patch-o-matic-ng? |
| 18:47.16 | ToreadorVampire | psutils provides killall doesn't it? |
| 18:47.25 | JNSamuel | psmisc iirc |
| 18:47.29 | Hydroxide | dgomez: it's defunct - got renamed and continued |
| 18:47.33 | Hydroxide | JNSamuel: correct |
| 18:47.50 | ToreadorVampire | There you go - so to use killall you need psmisc |
| 18:47.50 | JNSamuel | yurii: aptitude install psmisc |
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| 18:48.28 | simonrvn | it should be already... |
| 18:48.40 | JNSamuel | yeah i was thinking that too |
| 18:48.49 | Hydroxide | dgomez: I think you want xtables, assuming a recent enough system |
| 18:48.50 | JNSamuel | but then again he might be using a very old debian release |
| 18:49.26 | Hydroxide | dgomez: oh, apologies, that's only in squeeze and sid, though would probably work fine on lenny |
| 18:49.47 | Hydroxide | dgomez: might need to install newer iptables/iptables-dev too |
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| 18:51.47 | NiveusLuna | does Debian have a tool to configure iptables? |
| 18:51.55 | mETz | Hiho |
| 18:52.16 | mETz | NiveusLuna: there's tons of frontends available for iptables/netfilter |
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| 18:52.41 | mETz | I like shorewall |
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| 18:53.41 | NiveusLuna | okay, thanks |
| 18:54.02 | NiveusLuna | now if my server will decide that its SSH server is running... |
| 18:54.12 | mETz | What's the best way for a debian package to upgrade from running a cronjob to running a daemon? Problem right now is that upgrading the package does not remove the file in /etc/cron.d because it's tagged as "configfile" |
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| 18:55.04 | inigo | hello |
| 18:55.09 | mETz | I'm currently updating vnstat packaging for a new version, unstable still sits at 1.6 whereas 1.9 is recent |
| 18:55.37 | NiveusLuna | dangit. ddclient must not be updating my ip address. |
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| 18:59.50 | inigo | NiveusLuna: If you think your configuration is correct, but ddclient doesn't work as you expected, you can enable debug and verbose messages by running ddclient -daemon=0 -debug -verbose -noquiet. |
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| 19:00.37 | inigo | I'm trying to backport pidgin to lenny, but i get: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.53) libsilc-dev (>= 1.1.1) libgstfarsight0.10-dev (>= 0.0.9) |
| 19:00.50 | inigo | should i backport first that packages ? |
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| 19:00.57 | inigo | or should i try -d ? |
| 19:01.16 | themill | judd: versions pidgin |
| 19:01.17 | judd | themill: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
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| 19:01.44 | inigo | lenny from backports has also broken dependencies |
| 19:01.53 | inigo | s/lenny/pidgin/ |
| 19:02.29 | inigo | i've purge libpurple pidgin and pidgin-data... and -t lenny-backports does not install |
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| 19:02.52 | inigo | and manual backporting, needs that three packages |
| 19:03.19 | inigo | i think that use -d to force is not a good idea, because of cdbs |
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| 19:05.02 | themill | inigo: I'd guess that the backports.org packages are waiting to be built (only partially uploaded so far) |
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| 19:06.19 | inigo | sure |
| 19:06.24 | NiveusLuna | inigo: thanks. I'm using the package provided by the squeeze repo. is it better to use that or a source-built one from sourceforge? |
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| 19:07.14 | JNSamuel | does anyone know what this fancy system info sidebar is? http://www.flickr.com/photos/american-jesus/2975596546/sizes/l/ |
| 19:07.26 | inigo | NiveusLuna: i don't know, i don't use ddclient |
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| 19:07.57 | inigo | JNSamuel: it's conky |
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| 19:09.46 | dgomez | <Hydroxide> I need layer7 control |
| 19:10.03 | simonrvn | layer 8 is better ;p |
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| 19:11.12 | JNSamuel | inigo: i didnt think conky could do that |
| 19:11.21 | JNSamuel | but i looked at http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/WaterMark+system+information?content=71960 |
| 19:11.24 | JNSamuel | looks more like it |
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| 19:11.30 | inigo | dgomez: squid is extensible, and plug-able (dans guardian, etc) if not suficient, you need to patch the debian kernel |
| 19:11.31 | ranix | layer 8 security is kind of hard to pull off |
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| 19:12.28 | ranix | http://www.callingalldogs.com/ProductImages/collars3/FlexiHarness300.jpg |
| 19:12.35 | ranix | layer 8 security device ^ (sfw) |
| 19:13.25 | inigo | JNSamuel: my cpu is more happy at 600Mhz and with less proccess, paints, sensors, reading values in bash hugly daemons, etc |
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| 19:17.25 | dgomez | inigo: Wich patch I need apply? |
| 19:17.56 | inigo | l7-filter |
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| 19:25.58 | nite613 | With the adoption of fixed release schedules, is there a set date where etch will stop receiving security updates? Will it be when squeeze is released? |
| 19:26.39 | abrotman | 1) there isn't a fixed release schedule 2) they stated awhile ago that etch would have security support about 1 year following lenny's release |
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| 19:28.57 | nite613 | Okay, it's just a "freeze" schedule, not a release schedule, then. Cool. Thanks for the info abrotman, I must have missed the announcement you refer to |
| 19:29.28 | xoz | subscribe to debian-announce |
| 19:30.04 | abrotman | nite613: still not a fixed schedule |
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| 19:30.39 | nite613 | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
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| 19:33.07 | abrotman | and AFAIK .. they eventually decided against it .. we'll see |
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| 19:35.24 | allure | Hi guys. Does anyone something like pfsense (www.pfsense.com) for linux? |
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| 19:36.18 | phogg | allure: I don't know what you mean. What does it do that's special? |
| 19:36.26 | arewenothorses | Hi, I have a subscription to a proxy service which I want to share with my network, but I want users to have personal login information for accessing it. I want to set up a proxy that would be used for accessing my original proxy subscription without users even knowing login information for it, instead using their local login. Is it possible to realize? Which proxy server is good for this kind of arrangement? Thank you. |
| 19:36.42 | allure | phogg: it's a firewall package, almost "plug&play" style with many features... |
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| 19:36.50 | phogg | allure: It looks like a typical instant firewall appliance distribution of freebsd |
| 19:36.53 | arewenothorses | Forgot to mention, it's a Debian box. |
| 19:36.57 | allure | phogg: the idea is to save some time and have something easy to admin |
| 19:37.00 | phogg | allure: Right, so... ? Does Linux have a firewall? Yes. |
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| 19:37.17 | phogg | allure: does Linux have easy to use firewall configuration tools? Yes. |
| 19:37.31 | allure | phogg: yeah but not integrating so many features |
| 19:37.45 | ajavid | it maybe useful for you tell him actually what they are |
| 19:37.47 | ajavid | !firewall |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | i guess firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection. See also <firehol>. |
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| 19:37.48 | phogg | allure: Are there Linux distributions designed to be "instant firewall, just add electricity" like that? Yes. |
| 19:38.17 | ajavid | allure, if you need full control over your ruleset you need to employ iptables directly |
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| 19:38.36 | allure | yeah but I'm not looking for a distro, I want to be able to use it on a running system |
| 19:38.37 | ajavid | allure, you may lookinto some frontends for it, other than that there are many security options |
| 19:38.41 | ajavid | !harden |
| 19:38.41 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 19:38.57 | allure | hmm |
| 19:39.00 | ajavid | I have not yet looked into what this thing you linked to is |
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| 19:39.07 | ajavid | pfsense.. |
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| 19:39.20 | ajavid | however, there are plenty of firewall configuration tools in linux |
| 19:39.24 | allure | you should check it out, it is pretty good |
| 19:39.30 | ajavid | allure, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 19:40.03 | allure | ajavid: Control! =) not only firewalling, but controlling what users can see, their speed, I want stats... etc =) |
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| 19:40.20 | allure | if you don't know pfsense yet, I advise you to take a look.. it's pretty good |
| 19:40.28 | ajavid | you may wish to check out the debian wiki on system administration |
| 19:40.44 | ajavid | I'll look now |
| 19:40.58 | allure | the only problem (at least for me that's a problem) is that it is a full instalation and I want it to run on an existing box, non-dedicated to the firewall |
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| 19:41.40 | ajavid | pfsense doesn't look like anything special. |
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| 19:41.51 | ajavid | I read the entire features page... |
| 19:42.01 | allure | ajavid: yeah, but just try it... it's pretty good to be "out of the box" |
| 19:42.18 | allure | you do everything by the web interface and it works... |
| 19:42.21 | ajavid | is there something you can't do with a 30$ wrt router with an open soruce firmware |
| 19:42.24 | ajavid | ? |
| 19:42.33 | ajavid | an actual net device... |
| 19:42.36 | ajavid | just a thought |
| 19:42.37 | allure | if you could point me some =) |
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| 19:42.49 | ajavid | sure, look on craigslist in your area |
| 19:42.59 | ajavid | you'll find some, I'm sure, or look aroun don ebay, excellent devices |
| 19:43.05 | allure | craiglist for brazil? |
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| 19:43.07 | ajavid | I can't imagine living without one :) |
| 19:43.11 | ajavid | im sure there is |
| 19:43.22 | ajavid | if there is a craigslist for pakistan wher eI'mf rom |
| 19:43.25 | allure | ajavid: honestly, I think you should try it first =D |
| 19:43.32 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:43.44 | allure | try the liveCD, it's almost as good as the installed one |
| 19:44.06 | ajavid | ok, run Xen, use this distrubition there, and get your firewall going |
| 19:44.16 | ajavid | allure, then route everything through there |
| 19:44.28 | ajavid | there will be some overhead, but only little |
| 19:44.34 | allure | hmmm |
| 19:44.37 | allure | true, I might do that |
| 19:45.00 | allure | the network is not *THAT* big, so I think it'll handle the load pretty well |
| 19:45.02 | ajavid | that is the only way to run another kernel |
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| 19:45.14 | ajavid | you can chroot it, but not use a diff kernel |
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| 19:45.38 | ajavid | so Xen is the only way, I don't want to recommend vmware or vbox as they are not optimal for this situation |
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| 19:46.33 | ajavid | too much overhead |
| 19:46.33 | allure | Xen is semy virtualized also, right? |
| 19:46.33 | ajavid | !xen |
| 19:46.34 | dpkg | [xen] an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 19:46.34 | exn | anybody knows how to play quicktime movies not via wincodec which lies on sourceforge ? |
| 19:46.34 | allure | I think I might get a better server and just virtualize all my servers |
| 19:46.34 | Dryanta | if you like running additional kernels |
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| 19:46.34 | ajavid | exn, /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 19:46.34 | Dryanta | check out freebsd's jail(7) |
| 19:46.34 | ajavid | exn, you need w32codecs afaik and mplayer |
| 19:46.36 | TimothyA | is there such a thing as an 'service' command on debian? |
| 19:46.37 | Dryanta | jail(8) |
| 19:46.54 | exn | ajavid, it played mov very bad |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | arewenothorses: so you want to uh .. proxy your proxy ? |
| 19:47.00 | exn | very very fkn bad |
| 19:47.00 | Dryanta | it allows you to run multiple copies of the kernel in seperate memory space |
| 19:47.24 | arewenothorses | abrotman: Yeah, technically. =) All the traffic for my proxy server box should come from another proxy. =) |
| 19:47.25 | ajavid | multiple copies of the same kernel? or multiple kernels? different OS |
| 19:47.27 | Dryanta | so you can segregate multiple virtual machines on the same box without additional points of failure such as virtualization hypervisors |
| 19:47.40 | Dryanta | ajavid: multiple copies of multiple freebsd kernels |
| 19:47.47 | ajavid | that is useless |
| 19:47.48 | Dryanta | you can mix and match version but i dont advise it |
| 19:47.50 | ajavid | at least here. |
| 19:47.50 | abrotman | arewenothorses: did you check the squid docs ? |
| 19:47.51 | allure | ajavid: just found some wordpress post (in portuguese) on how to install pfsense on linux with vm =) very nice |
| 19:47.53 | arewenothorses | abrotman: I've been looking into squid, but their configuration guides at squid-cache.org don't mention any such usage. |
| 19:47.55 | Dryanta | yeah its totally useless lol |
| 19:48.09 | Dryanta | it doesnt make sense to completely sandbox/jail services, at all :P |
| 19:48.10 | abrotman | there is a #squid |
| 19:48.10 | Dryanta | lolol |
| 19:48.11 | ajavid | allure, that is the only other way that made sense (I would go with Xen though, not just any other vm) |
| 19:48.16 | arewenothorses | abrotman: Oh, thank you. |
| 19:48.19 | exn | heh.. will install via wine |
| 19:48.27 | ajavid | Dryanta, it is useless here. This is not freebsd |
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| 19:48.36 | allure | ajavid: also, there is the zeroshell project... http://www.zeroshell.net/ |
| 19:48.37 | ajavid | we don't care to run multiple freebsd kernels... |
| 19:48.43 | Dryanta | ajavid: rude |
| 19:48.48 | ajavid | to the point. |
| 19:48.51 | ajavid | move on |
| 19:48.52 | Dryanta | no, rude |
| 19:48.57 | Dryanta | i made a suggestion |
| 19:48.58 | ajavid | be that as it may, please move on. |
| 19:49.05 | ajavid | keep it on topic. |
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| 19:49.24 | Dryanta | it is on topic, just cos its #debian does not mean that different distros/oses are not better suited for specific tasks |
| 19:49.25 | ajavid | allure, looking |
| 19:49.40 | Dryanta | netbsd makes a better xen hypervisor, selinux is a more secure environment |
| 19:49.41 | ajavid | Dryanta, did you read his original question? |
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| 19:50.00 | ajavid | Dryanta, ok |
| 19:50.03 | simonrvn | arewenothorses: squid has a decent wiki, with good docs and tuts |
| 19:50.12 | ajavid | allure, looks pretty interesting |
| 19:50.21 | ajavid | allure, phone, brb |
| 19:50.30 | simonrvn | Dryanta: those are differents oses, not just distros |
| 19:50.31 | Dryanta | i missed original question, just the 'multiple kernel' followup |
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| 19:50.36 | allure | ajavid: vm'ing it would be better than vm'ing pfsense =) .. ok =D |
| 19:50.43 | Dryanta | simonrvn: < Dryanta> it is on topic, just cos its #debian does not mean that different distros/oses are not better suited for specific tasks |
| 19:50.53 | Dryanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.54 | Dryanta | lol |
| 19:50.58 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 19:51.29 | arewenothorses | simonrvn: Yes, perusing it now. I suspect there's some specific name for what I want to achieve, but as I don't know it yet... |
| 19:51.45 | simonrvn | Dryanta: and no, it isn't ontopic FOR THIS CHANNEL. this isa DEBIAN SUPPORT CHANNEL (and yes i was OT also) |
| 19:51.46 | Dryanta | arewenothorses: why would you virtualize pfsense? |
| 19:51.55 | simonrvn | is a* |
| 19:52.03 | Dryanta | simonrvn: nice being egotistical, rude, and taking irc too seriously |
| 19:52.04 | Dryanta | kthx |
| 19:52.13 | arewenothorses | Dryanta: Sorry? |
| 19:52.14 | Dryanta | arewenothorses: what specifically are you trying to achieve |
| 19:52.20 | ajavid | Dryanta, do you have a debian support question? |
| 19:52.28 | Dryanta | ajavid: im attempting to support arewenothorses ok |
| 19:52.40 | simonrvn | smells YATWTOOTA |
| 19:52.42 | arewenothorses | Dryanta: I want the traffic to my proxy server box to come from another proxy outside of it. |
| 19:52.43 | ajavid | go ahead, just don't recommend multiple freebsd kernels in #debian |
| 19:52.53 | simonrvn | Dryanta: hm, personal attacks. nothing new there. |
| 19:52.57 | Dryanta | ajavid: ill recommend whatever will solve his problem |
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| 19:53.10 | ajavid | go for it tough guy. |
| 19:53.20 | Dryanta | lol ur the one internet tough guying i d/c |
| 19:53.24 | Dryanta | ok so |
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| 19:53.33 | Dryanta | forwarding proxy trraffic from one to another |
| 19:53.41 | Dryanta | why use pfsense? you can just use iptables to redirect |
| 19:53.41 | abrotman | please just use /ignore |
| 19:53.45 | themill | drop it guys... it's a bit boring |
| 19:54.05 | Dryanta | or is the proxy server a pfsense install |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:54.13 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 19:54.17 | Dryanta | using squid? |
| 19:54.23 | simonrvn | guesses he hit a nerve and moves on |
| 19:54.35 | arewenothorses | Dryanta: It doesn't have any connection with pfsense. Not using anything so far, looking into using squid. |
| 19:54.39 | ajavid | nerve endings... dendrite.. loh reminds me |
| 19:54.39 | Dryanta | you freenode people are so lol |
| 19:54.43 | ajavid | !seen dendrite |
| 19:54.43 | dpkg | ajavid: i haven't seen 'dendrite' |
| 19:54.51 | simonrvn | themill: abrotman: moving along ;) |
| 19:54.52 | ajavid | hmm. |
| 19:55.00 | Dryanta | arewenothorses: then just use squid and point the client browsers at the ip address |
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| 19:55.08 | Dryanta | unless you must transparently proxy |
| 19:55.12 | Dryanta | then its a bit more complex |
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| 19:55.38 | arewenothorses | Yes, but how do I get squid to take all its traffic through an external proxy? |
| 19:55.40 | Dryanta | are you proxying to cache replys, filter content, stop downloads, what exactly |
| 19:56.01 | arewenothorses | I'm proxying a proxy. =) |
| 19:56.07 | Dryanta | hmmm |
| 19:56.19 | Dryanta | id imagine theres a squid specific setting to point it at a proxy |
| 19:56.27 | Dryanta | that might invoke some strange behavior tho |
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| 19:56.46 | stew | arewenothorses: you are doing this on ubuntu? |
| 19:56.49 | Dryanta | so you want to proxy behind a lan, then to a public proxy? |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | he'd probably do better to ask #squid |
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| 19:57.00 | arewenothorses | stew: No, I'm a Debian user. |
| 19:57.41 | arewenothorses | Dryanta, do you mind if we move into direct message realm not to flood this channel, as my question is not specifically a Debian question? |
| 19:57.53 | stew | arewenothorses: sorry, I had you confused with someone else |
| 19:58.20 | Dryanta | our conclusions might help someone else out, you probably will be running squid on debian, and i dont like switching windows lol |
| 19:58.26 | abrotman | arewenothorses: seriously, i'd ask #squid |
| 19:58.33 | Dryanta | but #squid is p. a good idea |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | arewenothorses: or ask Dryanta to join you there |
| 19:58.39 | Dryanta | let me look in my squid config |
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| 19:59.19 | Dryanta | Define the AV proxy as a parent for SQUID. See 'cache_peer' directive |
| 19:59.19 | Dryanta | in squid.conf.default and comments. |
| 19:59.21 | arewenothorses | abrotman: Sorry, I indeed went a bit off the topic here. Asked my question in #squid, waiting for the reply there. |
| 19:59.37 | Dryanta | http://www.mail-archive.com/squid-users@squid-cache.org/msg21635.html |
| 20:00.05 | arewenothorses | Thanks, Dryanta! That's exactly what I was looking for. |
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| 20:00.11 | Dryanta | np <3 |
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| 20:00.42 | Xeross | I have a server with an unblocked port 25, I've got my mail handled by google apps, how can I setup SMTP (sendmail) on this server ? |
| 20:01.07 | Dryanta | Xeross: i strongly advise postfix as opposed to sendmail |
| 20:01.15 | ranix | I prefer exim4 |
| 20:01.20 | Dryanta | or exim |
| 20:01.32 | Dryanta | sendmail is fairly antequated hardly any admins i know run it |
| 20:01.39 | Xeross | with sendmail I mean the general sendmail command |
| 20:01.48 | Xeross | that usually adapts to the current mta |
| 20:01.54 | Dryanta | you mean mail(1) |
| 20:01.54 | Dryanta | ? |
| 20:01.57 | Dryanta | oh |
| 20:02.04 | Xeross | I guess then |
| 20:02.04 | Dryanta | thats handled by the mta you install |
| 20:02.13 | Xeross | with ssmtp I always used sendmail |
| 20:02.14 | dkr | the symbolic link? heh |
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| 20:02.21 | abrotman | Xeross: so you want to use your mail server to send mail via google apps ? like a smarthost? |
| 20:02.23 | Xeross | but ssmtp doesn't work without realy |
| 20:02.25 | Dryanta | if you install postfix or exim it will automatically update the sendmail script |
| 20:02.34 | Dryanta | like on my box |
| 20:02.35 | sandman | Heya, I was wondering: Is UDF supposed to be supported natively? |
| 20:02.36 | abrotman | that's not what he's asking |
| 20:02.40 | sandman | Or must it be specially configured |
| 20:02.42 | Xeross | abrotman: I have ssmtp configured for gmail but it doesn't work |
| 20:02.51 | Xeross | abrotman: some error at gmails side |
| 20:03.02 | abrotman | Xeross: doesn't it need TLS? are you going to share the errors ? |
| 20:03.25 | raidghost | mkv2avi (i`ve tried to find that tool but was not included in the mkvtool package) |
| 20:03.29 | Dryanta | SENDMAIL(1) SENDMAIL(1) |
| 20:03.30 | Dryanta | NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface |
| 20:03.36 | Xeross | http://pastebin.com/m36c06d33 |
| 20:03.49 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 20:04.13 | Xeross | ye |
| 20:04.21 | Xeross | lemme check the log btw |
| 20:04.23 | Dryanta | hmmmm |
| 20:04.24 | Xeross | this is just the output |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | Xeross: http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
| 20:04.31 | fronix[OFF] | How does vhosts work like if i want to have a BNC server with the "ip" something.myhost.com |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | Xeross: have you seen that page? |
| 20:04.39 | Dryanta | id try to turn up the loglevel verbosity to debug |
| 20:04.55 | Dryanta | fronix[OFF]: you need to have an ip address with forward/reverse dns pointed |
| 20:05.10 | Dryanta | and invoke bnc with the correct ip address from a user that has permission to bind to the address/port |
| 20:05.23 | Dryanta | many times your provider must update the reverse dns |
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| 20:05.43 | ranix | if reverse dns fails lots of hosts will reject your mail |
| 20:05.53 | fronix | ok |
| 20:05.56 | ranix | if this is for personal use only I guarantee it's more of a pain in the ass than it's worth |
| 20:06.04 | ranix | if it's a small business go for it though |
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| 20:06.11 | Dryanta | heh unless u wana sell lotsa shells and make money off irc dorks on efnet |
| 20:06.12 | Xeross | Dryanta: How wold I turn the log level up ? |
| 20:06.15 | Dryanta | until u get haxxed lol |
| 20:06.15 | ranix | you will get hammered by spam and it will chow all (ALL) your bandwidth |
| 20:06.22 | abrotman | Xeross: did you look at that page? |
| 20:06.23 | Dryanta | Xeross: not sure w/ ssmtp |
| 20:06.25 | Dryanta | i know in postfix |
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| 20:07.50 | dcorking_ | is there a text www browser in lenny main? |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | w3m |
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| 20:08.22 | stew | and lynx and elinks and links2 |
| 20:08.23 | Xeross | Dryanta: There ain't a logging option in ssmtp it seems to be hard-coded |
| 20:08.25 | fronix | oh btw i installed tcl now but if i remember it right i have to change some file for it to work properly with eggdrop but i can't figure out what :S |
| 20:08.32 | Xeross | Dryanta: according to my google results |
| 20:08.38 | Dryanta | lol |
| 20:08.41 | Dryanta | postfix > * |
| 20:08.42 | dcorking_ | thanks abrotman - was just trying to fugre out the difference between links and links 2 . stew: all in main? |
| 20:08.42 | abrotman | okay, then don't read the page |
| 20:08.49 | Dryanta | abrotman: lolol |
| 20:08.59 | Dryanta | you can teach a man to fish..... |
| 20:09.10 | abrotman | Dryanta: it's not funny .. you don't keep quiet enough long enough for any body else to help, and you're not helping |
| 20:09.23 | Dryanta | abrotman: rude again, how did i not help? |
| 20:09.29 | Dryanta | i fixed dudeguys squid problem |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | how did you? |
| 20:09.41 | Dryanta | asked xeross to increase loglevel verbosity |
| 20:09.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Dryanta about lol |
| 20:10.17 | Dryanta | themill: also rude |
| 20:10.27 | Dryanta | bwahahahaa lol rofl w/e |
| 20:10.30 | Dryanta | its all the same thing |
| 20:10.43 | Dryanta | you guys are taking irc entirely too seriously, and im making a contribution :P |
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| 20:11.21 | Xeross | Isn't there some out of the box smtp server |
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| 20:11.34 | Xeross | the smarthost doesnt matter I dont think one is even needed to send mail |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | Xeross: i asked you twice if you read that page, and you still didn't answer |
| 20:11.39 | Xeross | as long as the mx records check out |
| 20:11.42 | Xeross | yes, yes |
| 20:11.44 | ranix | Xeross: yeah, go surfing the intertubes on an unprotected, exposed windows xp machine |
| 20:11.45 | Dryanta | Xeross: postfix will do what you need to do with a relatively small amount of configuration |
| 20:11.54 | abrotman | Dryanta: because for some people, this is their livelihood .. if you don't like it, please leave |
| 20:11.59 | Xeross | you got a howto ? |
| 20:12.02 | ranix | Xeross: that'll get you a preconfigured SMTP program ready-to-go |
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| 20:12.08 | Dryanta | abrotman: irc support is your livelihood? excuse me |
| 20:12.10 | abrotman | Xeross: /lastlog wiki |
| 20:12.11 | karme | exim4+exim4-config is quite simple |
| 20:12.12 | Dryanta | that is recockulous |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | Dryanta: not mine .. the people asking for help |
| 20:12.26 | ranix | Dryanta: you are off topic |
| 20:12.27 | ranix | !ot |
| 20:12.27 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:12.30 | markybob | Dryanta, careful |
| 20:12.42 | ranix | this is better to discuss in the ot channel |
| 20:12.45 | Dryanta | i am a network and systems engineer, unix is my livelihood |
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| 20:13.00 | abrotman | lol |
| 20:13.01 | Dryanta | i just call people out when they are rude, that is all |
| 20:13.02 | ranix | Dryanta: your profession is off topic |
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| 20:13.20 | abrotman | wonders if they closed efnet or something .. |
| 20:13.32 | themill | Dryanta: perhaps you could measure your upstream noise margin and then think about how you could improve it then. |
| 20:13.36 | Dryanta | hahaha you guys are worse than #freebsdhelp on efnet |
| 20:13.45 | ranix | abrotman: bingo |
| 20:13.46 | Dryanta | themill: ive resolved three questions in the span of the last 15m |
| 20:13.50 | abrotman | no you didn't |
| 20:13.57 | Dryanta | abrotman: have so |
| 20:14.02 | dkr | quit feeding the troll |
| 20:14.02 | Dryanta | want me to paste logs? lol |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | "Switch to postfix" is not resolving an issue |
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| 20:15.00 | Xeross | exim seems to be doing the trick |
| 20:15.09 | ranix | rad, Xeross |
| 20:15.13 | ranix | welcome to the dark side |
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| 20:15.23 | ranix | those postfix guys can suck our spec.txt |
| 20:15.26 | Xeross | 1 thing I want to do int he future is getting pop3 etc working |
| 20:15.35 | ranix | Xeross: check courier |
| 20:15.41 | Xeross | I've spent hours trying to get courier, dovecot, or any other mta working |
| 20:15.45 | Xeross | but none of it worked |
| 20:15.48 | xingu | ranix: only after they're done sucking rfc822.txt please kthxbye |
| 20:15.50 | Dryanta | abrotman: specific squid configuration entry with mailing list archive url, fix your forward/reverse dns and set bnc on unprivileged port, installing mta properly will replace sendmail(1) with appropriate script |
| 20:15.52 | Xeross | but this is about another server |
| 20:15.58 | Xeross | with a blocked port 25 |
| 20:16.01 | Dryanta | three resolved questions |
| 20:16.02 | Dryanta | thx |
| 20:16.04 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 20:16.06 | Dryanta | 4 playing |
| 20:16.21 | Xeross | so it would require a smarthost and alternate smtp port with a port redirection service |
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| 20:16.29 | Xeross | was easy with craperio mailserver |
| 20:16.35 | Xeross | but I just gave up with linux |
| 20:16.39 | Dryanta | Xeross: you dont like kerio? |
| 20:16.47 | Dryanta | i run kerio in my organization works great |
| 20:16.56 | Dryanta | almost a complete exchange drop in |
| 20:17.00 | themill | Xeross: 587 is defined for authenticated submission for this reason |
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| 20:18.14 | clarjon1 | wow |
| 20:18.15 | Xeross | themill: Well for mx records I need smtp on port 25 rite ? |
| 20:18.20 | clarjon1 | just, wow |
| 20:18.27 | clarjon1 | now THAT'S a speed improvement o.O |
| 20:19.03 | themill | Xeross: to receive mail yes, but aren't you looking at this for outgoing mail? |
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| 20:19.26 | Xeross | themill: Without mx records you cant do outgoing either afaik |
| 20:19.29 | abrotman | google handles your incoming mail, correct ? |
| 20:19.30 | clarjon1 | got lenny amd64 running on my laptop here, and it was going along at the same speed as most 32bit linuxes had been (in terms of app loading etc) but i couldn't get the cpufreq working properly |
| 20:19.31 | stew | Xeross: you can |
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| 20:19.34 | markrian | clarjon1: what's a speed improvement? |
| 20:19.37 | clarjon1 | So, i check my groups, and find i'm not in the powerdev group |
| 20:19.48 | clarjon1 | I add myself to the powerdev group, login again, and ZOOOM |
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| 20:20.18 | clarjon1 | now that kpowersave can control the cpufreq properly, my system is going faster than ever before :P |
| 20:20.45 | Xeross | abrotman: This is a different case |
| 20:20.49 | Xeross | here's the situation: http://pastebin.com/m1dad3ac6 |
| 20:20.56 | themill | Xeross: you can, although some MTAs can get a little sniffy about receiving email from something that isn't marked as being an MX |
| 20:21.28 | clarjon1 | markrian: on 32bit, and forced 'dynamic' speed mode on my cpu in 64bit, it'd take my amsn (For example) about 15 seconds to load. Now it takes 5 seconds :D |
| 20:22.04 | markrian | :/ |
| 20:22.13 | xerophyte | i have debian sarge old server, i need to install php-xml-parger package just wondering where can i get it it |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | parger? |
| 20:22.36 | clarjon1 | i think he means parser |
| 20:22.40 | xerophyte | yes |
| 20:22.42 | stew | xerophyte: is there some reason you aren't upgrading to a currently supported version of debian? |
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| 20:23.11 | khufu | what is the projected process count for a minimalistic debian server |
| 20:23.14 | clarjon1 | I bet running at full speed will solve the little 'hiccups' in the soundserver that happens randomly :P |
| 20:23.36 | Spec | khufu: much less than 100. |
| 20:23.36 | ToreadorVampire | Anyway, gogo debian! So far I'm happier with squeeze than I was with the latest stable Ubuntu ... which I guess says something about Ubuntu ... |
| 20:23.46 | Xeross | I'll try again in the future, but combining virtual users, smarthosts and alternate smtp ports all at the same time is a little much |
| 20:23.52 | clarjon1 | wow, even hostname lookups are faster now o.O |
| 20:23.54 | Xeross | best would be a pro explaining and guiding me |
| 20:23.57 | xerophyte | stew: i can not upgrade :( for so many stupid reason .. i need to find this package and install it |
| 20:24.00 | khufu | spec, i got 31 here |
| 20:24.28 | Spec | khufu: that's fairly minimalistic. |
| 20:24.43 | clarjon1 | I seriously would not have thought that hostname lookups would be affected by the cpu being set to dynamic mode :P |
| 20:24.55 | khufu | can it be trimmed further? i'd hate to run pointless processes |
| 20:25.14 | abrotman | khufu: depends what is running .. you'll have to look at it |
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| 20:25.32 | stew | xerophyte: archive.debian.org would have it if it was part of sarge |
| 20:25.40 | Spec | clarjon1: so wait, you're on 32bit os on 64bit hardware w/o dynamic mode? |
| 20:25.41 | abrotman | xerophyte: it's a pear module .. can't you just use the pear installer to get it ? |
| 20:25.57 | clarjon1 | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 07:12:04 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:26.05 | Spec | khufu: since no one here knows what processes you're running, we wouldn't know if you could trim it further or not. |
| 20:26.06 | clarjon1 | Does that answer your question, Spec? |
| 20:26.11 | stew | xerophyte: i'd certainly hope you weren't exposing this machine to internet in general |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | stew: that package didn't exist in sarge |
| 20:26.23 | xerophyte | stew: this internal portal |
| 20:26.36 | khufu | spec, makes sense. |
| 20:26.44 | Spec | clarjon1: ah, so you're on 64bit. what did the speed improvement? not having the processor in dyanmic mode? (bios option, i'm assuming?) |
| 20:26.53 | clarjon1 | Spec: I said that before i added myself to the powerdev group, I was getting performance speed in applications that was identical to 32bit with the processor in 'performance' mode |
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| 20:27.08 | Spec | clarjon1: ohh. |
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| 20:27.22 | Spec | khufu: you could pastebin ps aux |
| 20:27.25 | clarjon1 | Seems kpowersave wasn't able to switch the power profile when I unplugged my laptop without it :P |
| 20:27.57 | clarjon1 | Spec: Now, everything on my system is much faster than 32bit. ANd i've been told that my processor is one that is supposed to degrade performance when in 64bit mode lol |
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| 20:28.36 | Spec | clarjon1: I went from 32bit to 64bit, and I haven't noticed much difference, everything's fast either way. |
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| 20:28.54 | alessandra | hello |
| 20:29.27 | clarjon1 | Spec: Dunno. Perhaps my CPU doesn't like 32bit mode as much. But I do know that my 32bit apps are running faster than they used to :P Guess because i'm using a kernel specific for my architecture is the solution lol |
| 20:29.27 | Spec | khufu: you could also do: nmap localhost, to see if you have any extraneous services running that aren't required. |
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| 20:30.37 | clarjon1 | One drawback to this machine is that it now eats up it's battery power, even in powersave mode :P |
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| 20:31.08 | clarjon1 | but, fair price to pay for having it so bloody fast now lol |
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| 20:31.26 | Spec | clarjon1: Can you make your video card operate at a lower frequency? |
| 20:31.29 | khufu | spec, none ;) |
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| 20:32.19 | clarjon1 | Spec: Not with Catalyst Control Center, she's locked in at 60Hz |
| 20:32.46 | Spec | I'm sure that's the refresh rate, and not the gpu frequency. |
| 20:32.58 | clarjon1 | hm |
| 20:33.07 | Spec | Perhaps it's an nVidia thing. |
| 20:33.13 | clarjon1 | I have no idea how to do that :P |
| 20:33.49 | abrotman | khufu: how many processes do you have? |
| 20:33.52 | clarjon1 | ah, here's the clock speed |
| 20:34.11 | clarjon1 | Core Clock: 400 MHz |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | khufu: if you really want help, you'll have to upload something like a pstree to a pastebin |
| 20:34.18 | clarjon1 | Memory clock: 200 MHz |
| 20:34.24 | clarjon1 | but no way to change it :P |
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| 20:36.33 | khufu | sec |
| 20:36.54 | khufu | here's the ps http://pastie.org/620900 |
| 20:37.01 | badiane | Dryanta: if you need the equivalent of freebsd jails, look into linux-versers |
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| 20:37.44 | karname | can you tell me default web repository of debian 32 bit? |
| 20:37.45 | abrotman | grrr |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | karname: you mean the apt source ? |
| 20:38.05 | karname | yes |
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| 20:38.20 | abrotman | karname: /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:38.27 | badiane | Dryanta:pfsense uses pf and is more flexible than iptable among other things. |
| 20:38.31 | abrotman | khufu: 37 processes? and you want fewer ? |
| 20:38.48 | karname | abrotman : I want deb-src |
| 20:38.58 | themill | karname: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 20:39.00 | abrotman | still the same thing |
| 20:39.09 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - just encountered a crash bug with KdeSVN on Squeeze - where should I report it? KDE's bugtracker or Debian's? I'm used to using Launchpad as a former Ubuntu user, but how do things work in Debian? |
| 20:39.35 | Dryanta | badiane: thx |
| 20:39.37 | asg | ToreadorVampire: /msg dpkg bts (use debian's bug tracker) |
| 20:39.39 | Dryanta | i will totally check that out |
| 20:40.04 | khufu | abrotman, 37 ? i thought top said it was 31 |
| 20:40.05 | Dryanta | badiane: i know all about how pf > * lol |
| 20:40.05 | badiane | Dryanta: np |
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| 20:40.25 | Dryanta | i only started using debian with my mosso cloud server from rackspace |
| 20:40.36 | badiane | Dryanta: cool. I had to do some nice CARP settings on 3 soekris boxes and some switches. |
| 20:40.39 | Dryanta | tis is my first linuxing since 96 or so lol |
| 20:40.44 | kornholi_ | ! |
| 20:40.46 | khufu | abrotman, i guess i had 31 before i ran all these ssh sessions ;) |
| 20:40.47 | Dryanta | i <3 soekris |
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| 20:41.08 | badiane | Dryanta: there is a freebsd/debian project I think |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | Dryanta: please keep on-topic |
| 20:41.11 | Dryanta | i actually used nanobsd to make my own wireless router firmware that worked on soekris and mikrotik rb230 |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | khufu: and the screen, bash, etc |
| 20:41.24 | ToreadorVampire | ty asg |
| 20:41.32 | Dryanta | abrotman: we are on topic, im sure you could run debian on a soekris board |
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| 20:41.33 | asg | badiane: /msg dpkg kfreebsd |
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| 20:41.43 | Dryanta | i dont know if it has the kernel tweaks tho |
| 20:41.48 | Dryanta | that are soekris specific |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | are you asking how to do it? |
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| 20:42.22 | badiane | Dryanta: Not too experienced with freebsd so want to do similar things using debian and routerboard |
| 20:42.35 | badiane | asg: thanks |
| 20:42.35 | Dryanta | badiane: well router os is a stripped debian |
| 20:42.42 | Dryanta | with a whole bunch of glue |
| 20:42.45 | themill | Dryanta: perhaps you'd like to chat about stuff in #debian-offtopic. This isn't actually a discussion channel btw. (Also, please hit enter less often... this isn't twitter and it just serves to break up other discussions unnecessarily) |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | Dryanta: badiane: please move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:43.19 | Dryanta | and a xml config setup kind of like pfsense |
| 20:43.20 | badiane | Dryanta: Yes I read that the other day |
| 20:43.30 | Dryanta | abrotman: we are discussing debian on single board computers |
| 20:43.33 | Dryanta | thank you |
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| 20:43.55 | themill | Dryanta: "not a discussion channel". |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | Dryanta: move it to #debian-offtopic, this is a support channel |
| 20:44.49 | badiane | does anyone have experience using Intel Pro/1000 MT Quad NIC Gigabit Ethernet C11227-004 in 32bits pci slots? |
| 20:44.51 | dkr | badiane: re: freebsd/debian. one of the goals for the next version of debian (squeeze) is to release with a freebsd kernel in addition to a linux kernel. (which I learned at a nylug presentation about debian last night, heh) |
| 20:45.04 | zleap | ohh |
| 20:45.07 | zleap | is that good |
| 20:45.10 | badiane | dkr: cool |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | badiane: you mean it doens't work hardware-wise or driver-wise ? |
| 20:46.02 | zleap | i guess that opens it up to work with more software |
| 20:46.22 | Dryanta | the bsd kernel is more modular too |
| 20:46.56 | khufu | bsdkernel? sounds interesting |
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| 20:47.36 | badiane | abrotman: Not a driver question. I guess is more of hardware question but since 98% of the machines I have run debian and that's what I will be using with it. I wanted to know if any one had used them on older PC's with debian. |
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| 20:48.07 | Dryanta | im relatively sure its in the hcl |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | badiane: do you feel it will not work? |
| 20:50.00 | Spec | I've used a few intel quad nic gigabit cards, i think they were 32bit pci, but i'm not positive. they all worked with debian fine though, i do know that. |
| 20:50.10 | Spec | e1000.o if i remember correctly |
| 20:50.13 | clarjon1 | is still in shock over this speed increase |
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| 20:50.32 | badiane | abrotman: it seems to have 64bits connection layout???! |
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| 20:50.40 | clarjon1 | hrm |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | the card you mean? |
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| 20:50.50 | badiane | Spec: yes |
| 20:50.56 | badiane | abrotman: yes |
| 20:51.08 | clarjon1 | Anyone have a timewarp signature detector handy? I'd like to borrow it for a minute with my laptop o.O |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | badiane: so you want to stick a 64bit card in a 32bit slot ? |
| 20:51.57 | badiane | abrotman: I have some older athlon xp machines and before I go and drop $80 per card (unemployed recently) I'd like to ask other debian users if they've had experience using it in certain types of hardware. |
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| 20:52.21 | abrotman | badiane: i think it depends on the card/mobo/pci implementation |
| 20:52.22 | badiane | abrotman: yes. |
| 20:52.30 | abrotman | badiane: you'd probably do better to ask ##hardware |
| 20:52.37 | badiane | abrotman: beyond pci revisions |
| 20:52.48 | badiane | abrotman: ok I will. |
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| 20:56.00 | Spec | badiane: http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/1000mtquad/sb/cs-009537.htm |
| 20:56.23 | Spec | so it works on 32bit 33mhz, but only 3.3 volt slots |
| 20:56.24 | badiane | Spec: thanks. Reading |
| 20:56.35 | chris` | hello, when I compile a small graphicsmagick example it works fine with lenny but with squeeze it doesn't compile and complains with lots of lines like this one: /usr/lib/libGraphicsMagick.so: undefined reference to `xmlMalloc@LIBXML2_2.4.30' |
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| 20:57.01 | badiane | Spec: nice. |
| 20:57.24 | chris` | all undefined reference complains regarding libxml |
| 20:57.36 | chris` | like the above |
| 20:57.46 | kornholi | add libxml2 to linker lib list? |
| 20:58.14 | chris` | the linker lib list? :) |
| 20:58.34 | kornholi | -lxml2 |
| 20:58.50 | kornholi | compiler/linker param |
| 20:58.59 | chris` | these are in the graphicsmagick example and it doesn't complain : #include <libxml/xmlmemory.h> |
| 20:59.12 | Spec | badiane: just make sure you buy the right slotted cards .... and, well, the cards aren't supported anymore :p |
| 20:59.18 | chris` | that's the compile command I'm using: gcc -o wand wand.c -O `GraphicsMagickWand-config --cppflags --ldflags --libs` -L/usr/lib -I/usr/include/libxml2 -lxml2 |
| 20:59.26 | kornholi | no idea then |
| 20:59.34 | chris` | :( |
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| 21:00.45 | chris` | just installed the graphicsmagick and libxml2 right from the squeeze repository |
| 21:01.25 | badiane | Spec: ebay cards |
| 21:01.27 | chris` | nothing more |
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| 21:01.40 | badiane | Spec: doing some virtualization projects |
| 21:02.41 | clarjon1 | still is having trouble believing this o.o |
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| 21:03.32 | Spec | badiane: aren't we all? that's why i've got quad port cards. |
| 21:03.42 | Spec | and they work well with debian |
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| 21:05.05 | badiane | Spec: I know. thanks. |
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| 21:07.53 | Paul____ | hi |
| 21:08.19 | Paul____ | how can i download an earlier version of a package such as this > http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mysql-server |
| 21:08.32 | markybob | !snapshot |
| 21:08.33 | dpkg | i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. unmaintained since May 2008 |
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