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00:00.18GhostlyD1aththat's small
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00:01.52GhostlyD1athmaybe one can write an operating system that can run using nvram...
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00:06.05ajavidamd64 lenny, 386 sid. generated locales on both at the same time, both of them amd64 is done, sid is still at pa_IN.UTF-8...
00:06.09ajavidlol.
00:06.56TrueDDGood night all
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00:07.22benjamindeesI have a headless box with Etch running in less than 128MB, mostly by deleting the stupid locales.
00:07.41benjamindeesI'm going to upgrade it to emdebian, which only requires 24MB.
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00:09.00AK|laptopHow do I get a hold of libdvdcss in Debian?
00:09.10simonrvnGhostlyD1ath: people often set up runtime from a cd or something, and boot from milar
00:09.12GhostlyD1athAK|laptop: By using debian-multimedia.org
00:09.15simonrvn!dvdcss
00:09.23simonrvn!libdvdcss
00:09.23AK|laptopThanks.
00:09.23dpkglibdvdcss2 is, like, a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns.  To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org>.
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00:12.23pipelineAK|laptop: http://debian-multimedia.org/
00:12.40AK|laptopAlready was linked, but thank you.
00:12.41pipelineAK|laptop: christian marillat's repository, best source of such items
00:13.10AK|laptopHere's another question: xchat and Pidgin are flagging every word I type as misspelled. Is this a dictionary issue or something? How do I resolve it?
00:13.38deeveris setting up a source packages mirror different from setting up a binary packages mirror?
00:14.01GhostlyD1athAK|laptop: Check to be sure you are using the right language
00:14.08AK|laptopAlso, I found this http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/package/libdvdcss2.php but have no idea what to do with it.
00:14.11GhostlyD1athAK|laptop: It might be in Preferences
00:14.27GhostlyD1athrumor has it you could download the package
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00:14.31GhostlyD1athand do dpkg -i
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00:14.51AK|laptopForgive me. I'm new to Debian from Ubuntu.
00:15.23GhostlyD1athWelcome to the side of light
00:16.03AK|laptopOh.
00:16.13AK|laptopI see it now. I didn't see "direct package download: [link]" earlier.
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00:23.48ctmjrany ops that can take care of ^EBRU keeps spamming me it is a bot
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00:25.41elikctmjr, I confirm
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00:31.52elikK-lined, yay!
00:31.59GhostlyD1ath?
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00:38.46user436try this http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st
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00:47.39DynamicPinkUpdate Manager is looking in debian/dists/lenny/[main|contrib|non-free]/i18n for Translation-en_US.bz2, but never finds it. Is there a way to tell it not to look?
00:48.59AK|laptopHow do I configure libnotify?
00:49.57stdiseaseAK|laptop, try /usr/bin/notification-properties
00:50.00stdiseaseif you have it
00:51.22AK|laptopstdisease: Nope.
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00:55.11babilenhi all. what is a sensible subject if i send a mail to control@bugs.debian.org. I can't find it in the documentation
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00:59.25minimehow can I get cron-apt to run with proper permissions without messing with apt's permissions? (i.e. I guess I want apt-get upgrades to not require root as long as --download-only is being passed in?)
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01:02.10ajavidjudd versions fakemail
01:02.10juddajavid: fakemail --
01:02.18ajavidwell that sucks
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01:15.19dkaywelcome back, ive successfully installed debian thanks for supporting
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01:21.38nvzwow its dead in here
01:22.10markybobyo mama
01:22.30dkaycan someone help me litttle bit
01:23.03nvzyeah well i only get like 38x8 on here so im not really complaining... its just not what im used to
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01:24.25dkaywho can help me little bit
01:24.30dkayfirst day with debian
01:24.39markybob!ask
01:24.39dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:24.49dkayyeaa
01:24.52nvzfirst day with asking questions too?
01:24.52dkaywell,
01:24.59nvz!ask
01:25.00dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:25.16Titan8990no need to spam it twice
01:25.19gravityStop assaulting him with the bot
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01:25.52dkaywhat is an bot`?
01:25.54dkay:)
01:25.57dkaywell, no
01:26.08dkayi got troubles with connecting my server
01:26.20nvzwho said it twice?
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01:26.43markybobnvz, i said it first.  then you.  sober? :)
01:26.45dkaythe commandline to use is: ssh user@host
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01:27.04markybobdkay, did you install openssh-server ?
01:27.10nvzim on a cell phone you did it while i was typing i didnt see it
01:27.13dkayyes.
01:27.21dkayi can connect with ssh user@host
01:27.29dkaybut with -i /path/to/key
01:27.31dkayit fails
01:27.46K|NgGh0sTAnyone know why deb http://debian.mirrors.easynews.com lenny main non-free contrib would give me 404's on contrib and non-free when its the same setup as deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib and that works?
01:27.49dkayive added already the public key
01:27.54dkaybut in an different art
01:28.13dkayand now i am stuck
01:28.44dkaymy public key in windows was something different
01:28.52dkayit begans with ssh-rsa
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01:29.03dkayand now my key begin with BEGIN PUBLIC KEY
01:29.12nvzmaybe that mirror only has main?
01:29.12dkaybut its the same
01:29.43K|NgGh0sTBut every other mrror I try gives the same error cept yorku...
01:29.48dkaythe same key argh
01:29.51K|NgGh0sTand I can browse those sections inn a browser
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01:31.04nvzno idea then
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01:31.34dkayhow is the syntax: ssh -i /path/to/key.ppk user@host
01:31.40dkayis correct or?
01:32.32szczymCould some one help me with gphoto2 and canon g5 under lenny ? i get ' corrupted data' error
01:32.41dkayor do you know if puttygen is available for debian also?
01:32.49nvzid say it sucks there is no tab completion on nicks but there is no tab key... heh
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01:33.37nvzdkay you do ssh-keygen -t rsa or such iirc
01:33.39K|NgGh0sTlike when I use http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/dists/lenny/contrib/binary-i386/ I can see that the packees are there by browsing it, but when I do deb http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu lenny main non-free contrib I get W: Failed to fetch http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/dists/lenny/non-free/binary-i386/Packages  404 Not Found
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01:38.55dkayive installed putty-tools but where is it ?
01:39.53Titan8990dkay, dpkg -S putty-tools
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01:40.51dkayonly in /usr/share/doc/
01:41.04dkaywhy there isnt a application XD
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01:43.59K|NgGh0sTargh I hate being stuck using this one mirror
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01:44.02K|NgGh0sTand its shit
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02:06.51ajavidincrease the join limit
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02:12.40cheetahw26i have a fresh install of debian... i configured it as a Desktop installation... when setting it up, my keyboard may have been messed up because now my root pass doesn't work
02:13.04cheetahw26is there any way to reset this, after the installation has completed, or do I have to reinstall again ?
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02:15.35riotis there a nice tool to anonymize apache logs via e.g. a cronjob? (after awstats had its looks)
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02:16.29riot.oO( otoh, this is just 10 lines of python... )
02:16.49riotforget it, i'm doing this myself ;)
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02:30.19dkaywell, excuse for interruption. ive apt-get chkconfig and want to chkconfig --add shell on but how is it called?
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02:31.55dkayi believe i misstyped my question
02:32.07dkayhow can i add the shell to runlevel 5
02:32.29dkayhow is this application called?
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02:33.00dkayis it console-screen?
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02:34.16rothwell'lo. anyone know if it's possible to use livestream.com to stream live video of my desktop from debian? i'm attempting to set something up there to do tutorials for a few friends
02:34.26rothwellit seems pretty linux hostile, to be honest
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02:35.12spindizzydkr: in  your top menu, Applications > Accessories > Terminal  is what I think you want.
02:35.27spindizzydkay: in  your top menu, Applications > Accessories > Terminal  is what I think you want.
02:35.41spindizzydkr: sorry
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02:37.14GhostlyD1athI think he wants to use a shell once he logs in
02:37.44spindizzyGhostlyD1ath: I'm honestly not sure what he wanted!
02:38.28GhostlyD1athor maybe at the login screen
02:38.31GhostlyD1athin a GUI
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02:40.43hudsonf88hello
02:40.48hudsonf88plz, someone
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02:40.55elikeh, yes
02:41.09elikhudsonf88, usually, you just send in your question...
02:41.12hudsonf88I want to install package language-pack-dv on my system
02:41.30hudsonf88but it's unavailable on debian
02:41.37hudsonf88there is a similar package for tex?
02:42.33hudsonf88one?
02:43.20GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: What language do you want specificaly?
02:43.26hudsonf88the package language-pack-dv is for Dhivehi language, from maldives
02:43.31hudsonf88Dhivehi
02:43.44GhostlyD1athThe ISO code is mv
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02:44.14GhostlyD1athapt-get reconfigure locales
02:44.47hudsonf88reconfigure locales?
02:44.56hudsonf88but I want use this on latex only
02:45.00GhostlyD1athYou want your system in such language
02:45.01GhostlyD1athI see
02:45.18GhostlyD1athhow do you want to use it?
02:45.42GhostlyD1athjust for that program? as in everything?
02:45.48hudsonf88ehh... I want edit my output for this language, including package
02:45.54hudsonf88yes, just for latex
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02:47.04GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: try LANG="mv_US" command
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02:48.29GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: be sure locales has mv_US selected however
02:48.35GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: dpkg-reconfigure locales
02:48.41GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: then a huge list should appear
02:48.48GhostlyD1athMaldive would be mv_
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02:48.56GhostlyD1aththe next two letters are the country code, for example US
02:49.07hudsonf88is this for language of all my system?
02:49.12GhostlyD1athnow select the desired localization such as mv_US.UTF-8 for example
02:49.18GhostlyD1athYou can make it so you can use it
02:49.24GhostlyD1athThen when you hit OK
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02:49.31GhostlyD1athit should ask you what language you want to use for the system
02:49.40GhostlyD1athYou select that, whatever that may be
02:50.01GhostlyD1athThen when inside programs, before launching any you may do `LANG="mv_US.UTF-8" command`
02:50.14GhostlyD1athif a localization exists for that language then it will be used for that program
02:50.41GhostlyD1athwell, for GNOME apps at least
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02:52.17GhostlyD1athor LC_ALL
02:53.00GhostlyD1athlocale -a lists installed locales
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02:54.39hudsonf88One question: that steps is for language of application or input file of latex?
02:54.49GhostlyD1athlanguage of application
02:54.55hudsonf88oh, man!
02:55.02hudsonf88isn't this
02:55.14hudsonf88how can I turn back?
02:55.19hudsonf88I change LANG var
02:55.25hudsonf88changed*
02:55.31GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: Did you do it in a local shell?
02:55.53hudsonf88yes... do it change?
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02:57.26hudsonf88well, how can I explain?
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02:57.44hudsonf88when I create a file on Latex, I include a package of fonts
02:57.57Rumpsyhi everybody!
02:58.10hudsonf88for example, if I want make a text file for maldivians, I include a package for this font
02:58.21hudsonf88is this I want
02:58.35hudsonf88do you understand me, Ghostly?
02:58.39RumpsyIn debian i can't ableto connect to debian!
02:59.05Rumpsys/debian/internet
02:59.16hudsonf88for example:
02:59.19Tux^verdreifeltin internet you can't connect to debian?
02:59.19hudsonf88\usepackage[english,portuguese,brazil]{babel}
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02:59.29WormFoodis anyone aware of a program, that is sorta like x11vnc, but instead of exporting the entire desktop, can export just export a single window (or more accurately, a single program)...I doubt there is anything to do that, but can't hurt to ask.....and yes, I know about running programs remotely on X11, I'm talking about sharing just the window of an already running program.
02:59.36hudsonf88for use portuguese font package
02:59.42GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: sorry about that, my connection dropped
02:59.46hudsonf88as #include from C
02:59.50hudsonf88ok
02:59.53hudsonf88rsrsrsrs
02:59.56nevynWormFood: X11?
02:59.56hudsonf88I'll repeat
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03:00.01nevynWormFood: NX
03:00.05GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: If you did it in a local shell, such as LANG="" something it only affects the program
03:00.06hudsonf88when I create a file on Latex, I include a package of fonts
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03:00.15hudsonf88oh, yes
03:00.15hudsonf88ok
03:00.18nevynWormFood: Xmove?
03:00.20GhostlyD1athDo you have the fonts installed?
03:00.26hudsonf88is this I want
03:00.31hudsonf88and so
03:00.38hudsonf88I was searching for package
03:00.45hudsonf88but the only package that I found
03:00.48hudsonf88is for Ubuntu
03:00.51GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: You want it to recognize the MV characters so it doesn't treat them as some kind of field formatting?
03:00.51hudsonf88language-pack-dv
03:01.24hudsonf88.deb
03:01.24GhostlyD1athOh, so you want the fonts to be included
03:01.32hudsonf88yes!
03:01.40hudsonf88=)
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03:01.49hudsonf88Do you can help me?
03:01.59hudsonf88to found a similar package for Debian
03:02.00GhostlyD1athCan Latex even store font data?
03:02.01hudsonf88?
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03:02.26hudsonf88well, when i've installed, it downloaded some fonts
03:02.28hudsonf88default
03:02.29GhostlyD1athYou typed the file in Unicode correct?
03:02.38umarzukihi, how do i connect to a debian server with putty (openssh client) with token for authentication? Do i need to install/setup anything on the server that i want to login with putty?
03:02.41hudsonf88how so?
03:02.43WormFoodnevyn, now that sounds awesome...sadly it is not packaged for debian (not in the default repositories anyways)...I have never heard of xmove before...sounds like exactly what I want.
03:02.59GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: try `file thefile`
03:03.06GhostlyD1athwhere thefile is the file you are using in Latex
03:03.34WormFoodnevyn, what is NX?
03:04.06WormFoodnevermind, I found it
03:04.29nevynbut nx is just roundtrip prevention in x11...
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03:04.51hudsonf88i don't have a tex file yet
03:05.07hudsonf88i was looking about font's packages installed
03:05.27hudsonf88but doesn't have a style Maldivian
03:05.35WormFoodnever heard of NX before too... nevyn, do you happen to have first hand experience with these programs?
03:05.38hudsonf88nor option to install in apt-get
03:05.59GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: I don't believe latex will permit you to embed fonts
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03:06.09hudsonf88why?
03:06.14GhostlyD1athunless you are turning it into a PDF which does permit you to embedd fonts
03:06.29WormFoodif you heat the latex up to the point that it melts, you can embed almost anything into it.
03:06.35RumpsyHow to install a new ethernet driver, and how to load it
03:06.45WormFoodRumpsy, modprobe
03:06.59GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: Latex is all text
03:07.04TriumphHello, there I have installed Debian lenny got all the updates and have the compiz version 0.7.6 and Emerald now, Compiz is running fine and the emerald theme manager is working but even with emerald --replace it still won't work any ideas I have no window manager yanno where the X Maximize and miniMize bars are, Any help would be awesome Thanks.
03:07.17hudsonf88yes, is this I wanna do
03:07.21hudsonf88create pdf files
03:07.25hudsonf88look
03:07.26hudsonf88http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/language-pack-dv-base
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03:07.42WormFoodRumpsy, no private chat, talk to me here if it is not of a private nature
03:07.43hudsonf88I believe this is the package for Ubuntu
03:08.04GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: hold on a second
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03:08.09hudsonf88okay
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03:08.26Rumpsyokay... how to install a new driver for my ethernet
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03:09.13GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: what program are you using to convert to PDF?
03:09.34RumpsyHow to install a new compatible driver for my pc ethernet
03:09.56RumpsyI found that was misconfigured in my system!
03:10.10WormFoodRumpsy, why don't you start by telling us what hardware you have
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03:10.31GhostlyD1athlspci -v at http://pastebin.com/
03:10.36RumpsyI'm having intel supported ethernet card
03:10.49hudsonf88pdflatex
03:10.55WormFoodmost likely there is already a driver packaged for it somewhere
03:11.29WormFoodI also have an intel network card, but if I remember correctly, I also have a package with the driver. (but I'm also running sid)
03:11.43RumpsyOops, wher can i find?
03:11.55WormFoodapt-cache search
03:12.06GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: try this http://thomer.com/howtos/embed_font_in_pdf.html
03:12.10WormFoodsorry, I gotta go...talk with you later...good luck with it
03:12.17RumpsyOkay...
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03:13.10TriumphHello, there I have installed Debian lenny got all the updates and have the compiz version 0.7.6 and Emerald now, Compiz is running fine and the emerald theme manager is working but even with emerald --replace it still won't work any ideas I have no window manager yanno where the X Maximize and miniMize bars are, Any help would be awesome Thanks.
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03:13.28GhostlyD1athYou don't have to repeat yourself
03:13.45hudsonf88what?
03:13.59GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: ?
03:14.03hudsonf88`You don't have to repeat yourself`
03:14.09GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: wasn't to you
03:14.11TriumphThat was for me.
03:14.22hudsonf88=P
03:14.25hudsonf88im sorry
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03:14.30TriumphDon't be. :)
03:14.45hudsonf88Ghostly, here: http://pastebin.com/m1f4c34fd
03:14.45GhostlyD1athI don't run Compiz or any of that eye candy, so I can't help you
03:14.48hudsonf88please
03:14.56GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: that wasn't to you either
03:15.12hudsonf88=D
03:15.14GhostlyD1athThat was for Rumpsy
03:15.39hudsonf88ehh... I think: `list pci?`
03:15.42hudsonf88but.... okay
03:15.45hudsonf88im sorry again
03:15.55GhostlyD1athYour laptop's hardware is very similar to mine, heh
03:16.12GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: Did you try the link I gave you? http://thomer.com/howtos/embed_font_in_pdf.html
03:16.26hudsonf88yes
03:16.28GhostlyD1athit says to create the PDF from Latex, then convert it to another format, then convert back
03:16.31hudsonf88I'm looking..
03:16.36GhostlyD1athperhaps try it on a sample latex file
03:16.42GhostlyD1aththat uses the font you want embedded
03:16.42RumpsyDon't disturb me!
03:16.44hudsonf88okay
03:17.06Rumpsydpkg !help
03:17.07dpkgwish i knew, Rumpsy
03:17.22Rumpsydpkg !Rumpsy
03:17.23dpkgRumpsy: I give up, what is it?
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03:18.03GhostlyD1athhudsonf88: then use pdffonts pdffile to determine if the font was embedded correctly
03:18.11GhostlyD1athHelvetica                            Type 1            no  no  no      71  0
03:18.24GhostlyD1athname, type, emb, sub, uni, object, ID
03:18.41GhostlyD1athYou'd want to look at the first of the 3 yes and/or nos
03:19.03GhostlyD1athor if sub is yes
03:19.10GhostlyD1athwhich means only part of it is embedded
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03:20.00hudsonf88ok
03:20.38RumpsyHow to make use of token ring?
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03:20.43RumpsyHow to configure it
03:20.45umarzukihi, how do i connect to a debian server with putty (openssh client) with token for authentication? Do i need to install/setup anything on the server that i want to login with putty?
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03:21.11RumpsyMy internet is not working!!
03:21.19GhostlyD1athumarzuki: apt-get install openssh-server
03:21.28GhostlyD1athRumpsy: Then how are you on this network?
03:21.32kejenhow are you talking to us Rumpsy ?
03:21.37kejenhaha
03:21.46nsadminRumpsy: yes it is... you're here!
03:22.15RumpsyI'm working in windows! now not in debian
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03:22.34GhostlyD1athumarzuki: You can either use your existing user name and/or password to login
03:22.38GhostlyD1athor setup some certificate thing
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03:22.40kejenso whats the problem?
03:22.50TriumphHello there, can anyone help me with my Emerald Issue?
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03:24.04nsadminTriumph: it will be very hard until and unless you say what the problem is
03:24.10nsadmin!sicco
03:24.10TriumphHaha
03:24.10dpkgPlease ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic.  Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
03:24.11TriumphOkay
03:24.12GhostlyD1athnsadmin: He already has
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03:24.40umarzukiGhostlyD1ath: last time i remember i had to use user in AD username and password
03:24.54TriumphOkay, Compiz-Fusion is working fine, Right. and everything is fine But Emerald wont accept the uh window manager
03:25.09Triumphlike there is no X and minimize and I've got a theme and loaded it into emerald-theme-manager
03:25.10umarzukiGhostlyD1ath: i simply install the driver, then install putty with token support?
03:25.18Triumphhttp://pastebin.com/m4c10dacc
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03:25.20TriumphRead that ^
03:25.39umarzukihttp://www.joebar.ch/puttysc/
03:25.46TriumphHow would I add Repo of Shame ?
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03:26.21RumpsyHow to install a new intel ethernet driver
03:26.24GhostlyDeathumarzuki: So you want a passwordless public key login then?
03:26.26hudsonf88please, Ghostly
03:26.27nsadmin!emerald
03:26.34GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: did it work?
03:26.41nsadmin!compiz
03:26.42dpkgCompiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering.  It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details.  Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz .  http://www.compiz.org/  #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
03:27.00hudsonf88the language of my system were (or was, I don't know) english
03:27.03TriumphCompiz is working fine, But Emerald won't replace it.
03:27.08hudsonf88how can I turn back?
03:27.10TriumphAND I need a window manager.
03:27.14hudsonf88from shell?
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03:27.20GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: Login to root from anywhere
03:27.25GhostlyDeathdpkg-reconfigure locales
03:27.32hudsonf88forget it
03:27.36umarzukiGhostlyDeath: if by " passwordless public key login" means that when i plugin the token, i can simply use openssh client without entering the servers user and password, yes
03:27.38hudsonf88already fix
03:27.42hudsonf88=P
03:27.46nsadminwould this repo of shame be mentioned on one of those links?
03:27.46hudsonf88I restart shell
03:27.51GhostlyDeathok
03:27.59hudsonf88i tried compile an example
03:28.08GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: If you just did LANG= in a shell, it would affect only that shell
03:28.09hudsonf88using portuguese
03:28.11TriumphI have added it nsadmin I'll update then reboot see if emerald works then.
03:28.14hudsonf88but doesn't work
03:28.28GhostlyDeathumarzuki: You still need server and user name
03:28.31GhostlyDeathbut not password
03:28.38hudsonf88characters output wrong
03:28.47umarzukioh...
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03:29.21hudsonf88in dvi...
03:29.54hudsonf88pdf too
03:29.56hudsonf88=/
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03:30.12hudsonf88it's wrong in portuguese, imagine Dhivehi
03:30.14hudsonf88=/
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03:30.32GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: the PDF is garbled?
03:30.39hudsonf88yes
03:31.07GhostlyDeathhmm
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03:31.47hudsonf88strangers chars...
03:31.59GhostlyDeathwhat do they look like?
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03:32.31GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: it might be Unicode problems or the lack of Unicode
03:32.45TriumphSo, Anyone got any ideas ???
03:32.45hudsonf88chars with accent, as à and paragraph, instead of ão
03:32.45TriumphStill not working.
03:32.46hudsonf88hmm
03:32.57GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: So like AoAeAoAnAoAe stuff?
03:33.04hudsonf88yes
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03:33.57GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: one of the tools isn't understanding UTF-8
03:34.29hudsonf88how can I fix it?
03:34.55hudsonf88I think is none of them
03:35.16hudsonf88because I compiled using `latex` and `pdflatex`
03:35.25hudsonf88.dvi and .pdf was wrong
03:35.31GhostlyDeathecho $LANG
03:35.47hudsonf88en_US.UTF-8
03:36.11GhostlyDeathhmm, convert the latex with UTF-8 in it to a PDF
03:36.26GhostlyDeathopen it and see if you see actual unicode in it and not the AoAe stuff
03:36.53GhostlyDeathtry adding \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
03:36.56GhostlyDeathsomewhere
03:37.34GhostlyDeathif utf8 fails
03:37.37GhostlyDeathtry utf8x
03:37.40hudsonf88doesn't work
03:37.45hudsonf88okay
03:38.07GhostlyDeathSo before adding the usepackage, The A stuff was still there hudsonf88 ?
03:38.19hudsonf88no too (with `x`)
03:38.49hudsonf88yes, A stuff was there
03:39.04GhostlyDeathsee if the usepackage does the trick
03:40.41hudsonf88I think maybe is the editor
03:40.43hudsonf88gedit
03:40.45hudsonf88=P
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03:40.56hudsonf88when I compile text file in .tex,
03:41.16hudsonf88the output on stdout accents is correctly
03:41.26hudsonf88but in pdf file is wrong
03:41.47hudsonf88however, formatting was wrong in stdout
03:42.14GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: In gedit
03:42.24GhostlyDeathgo to save as
03:42.40GhostlyDeathgo to Character encoding, add or remove
03:42.54GhostlyDeathadd Unicode UTF-16
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03:43.12GhostlyDeathsave it, then try pdflatex again
03:44.35hudsonf88occur an error
03:44.44hudsonf88stdout stay in loop with error:
03:45.03hudsonf88`Text line contains an invalid character.`
03:45.08hudsonf88with strangers chars
03:45.14GhostlyDeathhmm
03:45.21hudsonf88l.11 ...^@i^^@n^^@{^^@d^^@o^^@c^^@u^^@m^^@e^^@n^^@
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03:45.35GhostlyDeathand the usepackage stuff failed also before?
03:45.47GhostlyDeathIt's quite possible that your version of Latex does not support unicode
03:45.51hudsonf88no like this
03:45.58hudsonf88hm
03:46.00hudsonf88=P
03:46.11GhostlyDeathIf you want to revert back to UTF-8
03:46.15hudsonf88I've installed by apt-get
03:46.19GhostlyDeathgo to save as then chosoe Unicode UTF-8
03:46.24hudsonf88okay
03:46.24GhostlyDeathwhat version is it?
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03:48.02GhostlyDeathand the usepackage stuff is in the file header right?
03:48.48GhostlyDeathbefore \begin
03:49.13s10anAnyone know how to make kdebluetooth to work on squeeze
03:49.28hudsonf88yes, it is
03:49.41GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: does it complain about a .def file?
03:50.48GhostlyDeathhudsonf88: I have to go to sleep now, best of luck to you
03:51.07hudsonf88thanks by help, Ghostly
03:51.10hudsonf88good night
03:51.12hudsonf88;)
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03:52.26dpkgi haven't a clue, Rumpsy
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03:58.17Rumpsyhow to see the preloaded ethernet drivers!
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04:00.03mogglefrangeHello. I am considering getting a mac pro, but I only want one if I can get debian lenny working reliably and fairly simple on it.
04:00.18mogglefrangeI cheked the wiki, and there are intel mac pro directions, but they seem to be for etch.
04:00.19benjamindeesRumpsy: preloaded?
04:01.14Rumpsyya... i want to know how many drivers are available for my ethernet
04:01.44elik778 packages to upgrade, yay
04:02.22elikRumpsy, any issue, or it's for fun and giggles?
04:02.26benjamindeesRumpsy: 'lsmod' will show the loaded drivers
04:03.10Rumpsyi found that ethernet driver is misconfigured, i can't connect to internet!
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04:03.19RumpsyHow can i resolve that?
04:03.41kelvinqwhere does crontab -e stores the files it changes?
04:05.27elikRumpsy, can you give more informations about your setup, your hardware, rather than what you think should be fixed?
04:06.08Rumpsysure, my ethernet is based on intel,!
04:06.45RumpsyAnd the loaded driver is e100
04:08.00RumpsyWhen i click configure button next to ethernet interface in network tools option, i get error msg!
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04:08.15RumpsyMy error msg is "can't find interface"
04:10.24elikRumpsy, where do you get this error message?
04:10.41RumpsyWhen i click configure button next to ethernet interface in network tools option, i get error msg!
04:11.17elikplease, cut the !
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04:11.37elikRumpsy, what version of debian are you on?
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04:12.03RumpsyLenny 5.0
04:12.12h7251how can i find out how a specific package was configure'ed when it was build (i.e., can i see the configure logs on the web)
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04:12.40benjamindeessounds line gnome-nettool
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04:13.17elikRumpsy, can you go in console and put the output of ifconfig on a pastebin?
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04:14.34pwnsingtoncan someone tell me the latest kernel version i should be using with debian 5.0.3?
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04:15.43Rumpsyi did ping option... it works
04:15.50benjamindeesI'm guessing 2.6.26-19
04:16.05Rumpsymy dsl ip address is 192.168.1.
04:16.30elikRumpsy, can you ping google.com?
04:16.34Rumpsy192.168.1.1
04:16.47RumpsyErrror
04:17.07RumpsyOnly i can ping to my dsl [modem, router]
04:17.13mactimesRumpsy: try this:  nslookup www.yahoo.com 208.67.222.222
04:17.16elikso, what is your setup? modem, router, computer?
04:17.30mactimesRumpsy: See if your computer can resolve the IP address for yahoo.
04:17.41elikmactimes, he has only one system, and he's on windows now
04:17.50elikmactimes, every "try this" is 2 reboots
04:17.51mactimeselik: Ouch.
04:17.53pwnsingtonbenjamindees: -19?
04:18.01elikmactimes, ya
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04:19.05Rumpsywhen i start debian desktop... i got msg like wired connection established
04:19.14elikok, that's good
04:19.25elikcan you connect to the router?
04:19.43Rumpsyya
04:19.58elikI mean, load its web interface
04:20.17RumpsyCould you explain me that
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04:21.07mogglefrangeAlternately, would someone mind recommending a high-quality workstation brand?
04:21.18mogglefrange(efi is beginning to look like a real pain to deal with)
04:21.35RumpsyWaht information will be ion /etc/network/interface
04:22.05RumpsyWhat information will be in      /etc/network/interface
04:22.15elikRumpsy, well, your router gives you an IP address, which you can find with ifconfig
04:22.30elikRumpsy, normally, you'd get, say 192.168.0.2
04:22.37pickcodermogglefrange: workstation brand?
04:22.44Rumpsycorrect
04:22.50Rumpsyi seen that
04:22.51elikRumpsy, if you type in 192.168.0.1 in a browser, you'll see if you can connect to the router
04:23.25elikRumpsy, which would mean debian is ok, and there is no problem with your system, but somewhere between your router and your modem
04:23.26Rumpsyya its 192.168.1.1
04:23.42mogglefrangepickcoder: yeah. something that'll take a debian install very well. I know HP and sun etc all make workstations, but I have no decent means of choosing between them.
04:23.50elikalthough.. if you can access from windows... hum
04:24.05pickcodermogglefrange: what are you planning on doing with the machine
04:24.16Rumpsyya.... its working in windows, but in linux, urgh
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04:24.34elikRumpsy, what's your ip now, on windows?
04:24.45Rumpsy192.168.1.2
04:24.50benjamindeesthere is a list of hardware vendors with Debian pre-installed on the site
04:25.11mogglefrangepickcoder: statistical simulation and programming. I need at least a Xeon and four DVI graphics outputs
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04:25.35elikRumpsy, try to connect to 192.168.1.1 from a browser on linux
04:26.06mogglefrangepickcoder: and in the 8 - 12GB of ram range
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04:26.23Rumpsyslik: it ask for user name and pass
04:26.27pickcodermogglefrange: you're probably better off build it, IMO
04:26.29elikRumpsy, if it doesn't work, go in a console, get the informations from ifconfig, and try to run dhclient <name of your interface>
04:26.33elikRumpsy, on linux
04:26.50elikRumpsy, it should also ask you for username/pass
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04:27.24benjamindeestry blank username and password "admin"
04:27.30Rumpsyya i given those, it works... what i should i do in that
04:27.57benjamindeesmake sure there is an IP address for the "external" interface
04:28.11pickcodermogglefrange:I put together an 8GB 8-way debian server for under $4K
04:28.13benjamindeeser, I suppose you're using it now aren't you :)
04:28.21pickcoderincluding h/w raid
04:28.32elikbenjamindees, yeah, precisely :P
04:28.41benjamindeeshides
04:28.50elikbenjamindees, I'm thinking maybe he has no dhcp or something
04:28.56elikbenjamindees, I made the same mistake :P
04:29.12Rumpsywhat should i do in that
04:29.27RumpsyI given user name and password
04:29.34elikRumpsy, don't do anything
04:29.37pickcodermogglefrange: or you can spend 3 times that for less Mac hardware to get OSX...
04:29.53mogglefrangepickcoder: hmm. that sounds nice. I guess I could build one, I've been building my computers for years now, but I'm just getting really sick of dealing with stuff breaking. I've been using consumer-level components though.
04:29.55RumpsyIn windows i'm doing that...
04:30.01elikRumpsy, it's just a test to know if your connection work, at the application level, between your computer and your router
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04:30.12RumpsyOkay...
04:30.26elikRumpsy, if that works on linux, everything should work
04:30.32mogglefrangepickcoder: ugh. I can't deal with OSX. You can get a mac pro up to that amount of ram for under 4K though.
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04:30.40elikgo give it a try, and try that dhclient thing I suggested
04:30.51RumpsyWhat might me be the problem!
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04:30.59pickcodermogglefrange: you can save ~400-800 if you use softraid, but it will eat a little into CPU
04:31.05elikRumpsy, dhcp between you and router, as I suggested earlier
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04:31.08ajavidhello googly mooglies
04:31.14ajavidstatic dhcp
04:31.24mogglefrangepickcoder: where do you get the parts? newegg? they didn't seem to have Xeon boards with multiple pcie 16x slots
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04:31.34pickcoderyeah newegg mostly
04:31.34elikRumpsy, any chance you could have a second system to debug that
04:31.40pickcodersometimes I have to go to Insight or CDW
04:31.43elikajavid, he has only one system
04:31.49ajavidgo to ##hardware
04:31.51pickcoderbut I have a business account with Insight
04:31.54RumpsyNope..
04:31.55droid7i'm running a apache/php/mysql server on debian in virtualbox. how do I access a shared folder via command line, setup in virtualbox?
04:31.56ajavidthose dudes will help you find
04:31.58ajavidelik, oh
04:32.01ajavidelik, damn
04:32.06elikajavid, yeah, sort of
04:32.27pickcoderThe only problem I've had with Debian on custom boxes is crappy CD drives
04:32.28elikRumpsy, there will be a few restarts involved then...
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04:32.39pickcoderthe installed chokes on some of them if you also have cheap CD-Rs
04:32.42pickcoders/ed/er
04:32.44RumpsyYou give me the steps to do.. i'll restart my system and do that....
04:33.02mogglefrangepickcoder: are there any good "build your own workstation" resources? I've read all sorts of stuff in the past about picking good consumer-level stuff. are there review sites for workstation cases, etc?
04:33.16ajavidpickcoder, thats cheap anything
04:33.19ajavidpickcoder, pretty much
04:33.28pickcoderthere is a debian h/w listing as suggested
04:33.35ajavidhp
04:33.36ajavid!
04:33.36pickcodersome of them offer byo setups
04:33.45benjamindeesRumpsy, can you get to a root (superuser) terminal?
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04:33.59elikRumpsy, restart your system, try to connect to your router (192.168.1.1). if it works... everything should work. If not, note down informations from ifconfig. Try to do "dhclient <name of your interface>" to acquire an adress
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04:34.23AndorinI'm on a totally fresh Debian installation. I have a partition on my hard drive in which I back up my files, and I want to mount it so I can transfer my files onto Debian. In Ubuntu when I go to mount the partition it asks for root password, but here it just says I don't have the privileges! How do I mount it?
04:34.29pickcoderI've had more luck with SAS drives than SATA, but they are typically smaller, faster, and a lot more expensive
04:34.40ajavidAndorin, what file system is it?
04:34.51ajavidAndorin, if you know the device name, file -s /dev/whatever
04:34.55elikRumpsy, you can also ask ajavid how to set a static ip
04:35.03benjamindeesRumpsy, I would get the output of 'ifconfig eth0' and 'lsmod|grep 100'
04:35.04pickcoderI stick with Intel and Supermicro for boards
04:35.04ajavidAndorin, hang on
04:35.08ajavidRumpsy, man 5 interfaces
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04:35.15ajavidAndorin, ok back
04:35.23Rumpsydhclient <name of your interface>" what's  that name interface
04:35.27elikAndorin, file on a dev?
04:35.31ajavidAndorin, so as I was saying, find out the file system and i'll help you mount it
04:35.37droid7Andorin: is it a ntfs partition?
04:35.43pickcoderTyan is OK too, but Super's are usually better suited for servers and have more slots than "workstation" type boards
04:35.45Andorinajavid, How do I find out what it's called?
04:35.49ajaviddroid7, oh jeez... backup to an ntfs :)
04:35.54ajavidAndorin, fdisk -l
04:35.56droid7hehe
04:35.57ajavidAndorin, as root
04:35.59Andorindroid7, I think it's fat32.
04:36.09elikAndorin, even better
04:36.10ajavidAndorin, look at the list, it should say
04:36.13mogglefrangepickcoder: hmm. okay. thanks for the advice. I'll look into building something. dealing with the efi things seems like an even bigger hassle. sleep time now.
04:36.14elikRumpsy, most likely eth0, but you will see from ifconfig
04:36.21droid7Andorin: than mount <partition> <dest> would work
04:36.39AndorinOkay, found it.
04:36.39ajavid!vfatrw
04:36.39dpkgTo get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab.  umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x.  Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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04:37.12ajavidAndorin, vfat?
04:37.20Rumpsyokay i restart and try , if not works, i back here with error info what i get
04:37.29ajavidRumpsy, restart? why
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04:37.33ajavidRumpsy, what are you trying to do
04:37.40benjamindeesdual-boot
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04:37.42ajavidRumpsy, if not hardware/kernel upgrade, there is no need to restart
04:37.47ajavidok then, have at it
04:38.06Andorinajavid, No, it's not vfat. Or at least, it doesn't say.
04:38.15ajavidAndorin, you have the device node name now?
04:38.19ajavidAndorin, like /dev/ something
04:38.25ajavidAndorin, do file -s /dev/something
04:38.26AndorinYes.
04:38.29elikajavid, his debian is not working, he dual boot to try stuff
04:38.30Rumpsyahavid: can you give me an option for this
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04:38.57ajavidRumpsy, I dunno whas up with your problem i'd rther not jump in
04:39.00ajavidsorry i was mistake
04:39.11ajavidlet them handle they bene helping you already
04:39.25droid7does debian have a package for mysqli?
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04:39.30Rumpsyya...i try it and come back
04:39.35Andorinajavid: I got "/dev/sda4: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display" as output and I still can't access it. Graphically, anyway.
04:39.49elikok Rumpsy, good luck
04:39.56elikRumpsy, try to get as much informations as you can
04:40.06ajavidok
04:41.25ajavidAndorin, try to mount it as vfat
04:41.36benjamindees!mysqli
04:41.36dpkgsomebody said mysqli was MySQL Improved Extension which supports MySQL 4.1+ functionality. It supports the object oriented approach better as the access is provided using MySQL objects. Debian packages are available starting from Etch
04:41.55Andorinajavid, I don't think I know my group ID. I've never had to mess with it.
04:42.08ajavidAndorin, cat /etc/groups
04:42.10droid7what's the package name? php5-mysqli doesn't work
04:42.14pickcoderAndorin: what kind of "backup" partition was it?
04:42.20ajavidAndorin, cat /etc/passwd
04:42.21AndorinNo such file or directory.
04:42.23ajavidAndorin, grep your username
04:42.32ajaviddude /etc/group
04:42.50ajavidget your ids
04:43.26AndorinWould this be a four-digit number?
04:43.34ajavidno
04:43.37benjamindees!info php5-mysql
04:43.43dpkgphp5-mysql: (MySQL module for php5), section php, is optional. Version: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 236 kB
04:44.07AndorinThen... I don't know?
04:44.09pickcoderAndorin: just type "id"
04:44.10ajavidAndorin, ajavid:x:1000:1000:Atir Javid,,,:/home/ajavid:/bin/bash <- 1000:1000
04:44.15\amethystAndorin: typically it would be for an ordinary user;  run  id -g  for your group id,   id -u  for your user id
04:44.20ajavidahhh
04:44.21pickcodergid=XXX
04:44.24ajavidI did not know that id exists!
04:44.26pickcoderuid=XXX
04:44.26ajavidwow
04:44.27\amethysts/group/primary group/
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04:44.28ajavidsee im a newb
04:44.36pickcoderajavid: i was in the factoid you triggered
04:44.37ajavidi always just look in the password file
04:44.39pickcoders/I/it
04:44.45ajavidpickcoder, I don't read what I type
04:44.49ajavidor bot type
04:44.49pickcoderbut, yeah, it's been around for eons
04:44.55ajavidpickcoder, im a noob
04:44.58ajavidI'm sorry
04:45.12ajavideveryday i discover cool little handy tools in linux
04:45.18benjamindeesthe short commands are always the last ones you learn because they're impossible to search for
04:45.21ajavidyou know how long I been using linux, since 1994 ffs.
04:45.23ajavidman.
04:45.30ajavidyou'd think I'd know this huh
04:45.38elikno
04:45.41pickcoder~1995 for me
04:45.45AndorinWhen I run that command I get "permission denied"
04:46.24\amethystAndorin:  what command?
04:46.25pickcoderAndorin: this isn't Ubuntu... log in the console as root
04:46.35Andorinpickcoder, I /am/.
04:46.39pickcoderor use su to gain root temp
04:47.00pickcoderAndorin: 'which id'
04:47.14Andorin\amethyst, /dev/sda4 /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=0,gid=0,umask=002 0 0 <-- that
04:47.19\amethystthat's not a command
04:47.25\amethystthat's a line to add to /etc/fstab
04:47.33pickcoderblinks
04:47.57pickcodertoo many people.. too much chaos
04:48.03pickcoderbows out
04:48.12elikjust watch \amethyst work :)
04:48.18AndorinAlright, I added it and saved.
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04:48.29pickcodergotta check my auctions anyway
04:49.13\amethystAndorin:  now you should be able to  mount the mount point as a user; the filesystem contents will be owned by root, without world-write permissions
04:49.39\amethystwith  mount /mount/point   or  mount /dev/sda4
04:50.15AndorinQuestion. What do I substitute for /mount/point in that line?
04:50.34\amethystthe name of the directory where you want it mounted
04:51.01\amethyste.g.  /media/shared  ;  you must create the directory before you can mount over it
04:51.16\amethystor /media/<whatever you want to call the disk>
04:51.57AndorinOkay, it's working now. Thank you.
04:52.05AndorinSo every time I want to mount it, I have to do so via CLI?
04:52.20\amethystGNOME should be able to mount/umount it now
04:52.30\amethystsince you added 'user' to the fstab
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04:52.54\amethystas one of the options, I mean... that allows ordinary users to mount/unmount
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04:55.14AndorinThank you for your help, \amethyst.
04:55.27\amethystnp; and everyone else
04:56.02AndorinYes, though I did feel a little overwhelmed by the flood of answers. =x Not quite what I'm used to in IRC- I generally only get one person at most.
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04:56.36\amethystbtw, the filesystem won't be writable by your ordinary user
04:56.55AndorinIf I open nautilus as root, will I be able to write to it?
04:56.58\amethystif you want it to be, you should change the  uid=  to the ordinary user's uid (instead of 0, which is root's uid)
04:57.06AndorinOkay.
04:57.39pickcoderor put yourself into a unique group and put that gid in there
04:57.57pickcoderwhich is kinda pointless, now that I think about it
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04:58.57\amethyst(you'll have to unmount and remount it, of course)
04:59.07Cheggerpickcoder lol yeah
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05:00.42pickcoderI'm glad I don't write tech articles the way I chat. People would have an even harder time understanding.
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05:10.35AndorinOkay, new question. I installed pidgin-libnotify. Where do I configure it?
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05:11.10Rumpsyi'm back
05:11.28Rumpsyelik: are you there
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05:13.33Rumpsyfine i came with errors now...
05:13.54neoiceanyone know what it means to have a file system report that its full when its far from it?
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05:15.49Rumpsyelik: this is what i get
05:16.04RumpsyRumpsydebian:~# nslookup www.yahoo.com 208.67.222.222
05:16.06RumpsyServer:208.67.222.222
05:16.07RumpsyAddress:208.67.222.222#53
05:16.08RumpsyNon-authoritative answer:
05:16.10Rumpsywww.yahoo.comcanonical name = www.wa1.b.yahoo.com.
05:16.12Rumpsywww.wa1.b.yahoo.comcanonical name = www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com.
05:16.13RumpsyName:www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com
05:16.15RumpsyAddress: 87.248.113.14
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05:18.23RumpsyAnyone here?
05:18.42Rumpsyelik:are you busy!
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05:20.34dpkgRumpsy: no idea
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05:26.17TriumphHello, there Can someone help me with my Emerald Issue ?
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05:28.48spindizzyshouldn't aptitude dist-upgrade update release points? where do you find which release point is installed?
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05:30.23Rumpsybotmail elik : i collected all info from debian and now i'm in windows, to get help from you
05:31.12Rumpsybotmail for elik : i collected all info from debian and now i'm in windows, to get help from you
05:31.46spindizzynevermind, got it.
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05:36.36anddamhi
05:36.51anddamhas anyone a FAT32 partition mounted now?
05:37.27anddamI need an info about the partition type
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05:39.48anddamBCoD, the blue channel of death
05:41.25elikRumpsy's gone???
05:41.39elikI was upgrading debian in a major way, connection jumped
05:42.20AndorinOkay, new question. I installed pidgin-libnotify. Where do I configure it?
05:42.44anddamAndorin: is that a library?
05:42.47anddam!pdo
05:42.47dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
05:43.13Kamping_Kaiser13:37 < anddam> I need an info about the partition type
05:43.17Kamping_Kaiser^^ huh?
05:43.18anddamAndorin: what config does it need
05:43.29anddamKamping_Kaiser: what's the id of a big FAT32 partition in MBR?
05:43.51Andorinanddam: I'm pretty sure it's taking the place of libnotify for Ubuntu... I want to change its position on the screen.
05:44.51elikJust upgraded amarok and it seems it has lost my collection... Anyone got issues with that?
05:45.17Kamping_Kaiseranddam: ask cfdisk - 0B or 0C it looks like
05:45.18anddamI had an hfs+  volume on APT, formatted the disk in MBR but back in OS X I see the partition id is AF and that's wrong
05:45.27Kamping_Kaiser<PROTECTED>
05:45.33Kamping_Kaiser<PROTECTED>
05:45.40anddamKamping_Kaiser: as I've already copied 200+ Gb of data I'd like to change the partition id as first
05:45.47anddamso I'm going with 0c here
05:45.53anddamit's a 240gb partition
05:46.08Kamping_Kaiser240gb *fat32* partition? masochist.
05:48.27anddamKamping_Kaiser: what else?
05:48.40anddamKamping_Kaiser: I need to be able to copy data in both debian and osx
05:48.56anddamKamping_Kaiser: my main issue is osx poor fs support
05:49.24anddamand I mean about speed rates
05:49.32anddamfat32 should be fast on both and I don't need big files
05:49.39anddamKamping_Kaiser: any better hint?
05:51.00Kamping_KaiserAdetas: nope, I've got no osx experiance. I just shudder at the filesystem overhead on that much fat32 (can't help, I don't have to deal with systems that fail ext3 reading)
05:52.31jetscreamer!seen gravity
05:52.32dpkggravity is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 4h 27m 12s, last said: 'Stop assaulting him with the bot'.
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05:54.55unpersonHi.  Can anyone suggest a very simple to setup http proxy that's available in the repos?  I'm just looking to forward all http traffic, nothing fancy.
05:55.11unpersonI just have no experience with proxies, so the simpler the better.
05:55.49ajavidsimonrvn, jetscreamer hey hey
05:55.59jetscreamerhey simonrvn ... hihi ajavid
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05:58.08AndorinMy fonts all look really ugly, which makes me think that subpixel shading is not working for some reason. I can't be sure, though.
05:58.35ajavidAndorin, check
05:58.51ajavidAndorin, sudo dpkg-recongifure fontconfig-foncig
05:59.04ajavidAndorin, as root, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
05:59.32ajavidAndorin, select default options until you get to sub pixel hinting screen, select Always
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05:59.57ajavidAndorin, that will make sure it is always on in debian. 2ndly, make sure our KDE/Gnome, XFCE or whatever env. is also configured to use anti aliasing fonts
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06:00.42Andorinajavid: How do I configure that?
06:00.44ajavidAndorin, and also install msttcorefonts package (I do)
06:00.49ajavidAndorin, which desktop env?
06:00.58ajavidAndorin,  I can only help you with KDE
06:01.12Andorinajavid: Alright. I run GNOME.
06:01.22ajavidI dunno gnome at all buddy
06:01.25ajavidsorry
06:01.41ajavidAndorin, try #debian-gnome or #gnome or irc.gnome.org #gnome or something
06:01.49ajavidAndorin, or ##linux
06:01.58ajavidor wait here until a gnome user resopnds to ya
06:02.02minerale_is the debian project overall lacking developers/support/donations ?
06:02.09ajavidminerale_, always
06:02.26ajavidminerale_, well, yeah, always
06:02.32ajavidminerale_, why do you ask?
06:02.48minerale_just wondering
06:02.55ajavidminerale_, would you like to help
06:02.57ajavid?
06:03.18simonrvnyou should ask that on the debian-devel or -project lists
06:03.21minerale_ajavid: where is the work coordinated? -- entirely on the mailing list?
06:03.28ajavidmostly
06:03.43ajavidminerale_, if you wish to help, a good place to start is wnpp
06:03.58ajavidminerale_, also, bugreporting and patching needs to be done constantly
06:04.01minerale_ah, thanks
06:04.07ajavidminerale_, RC bugs need to be patched/fixed at all times
06:04.33ajavidminerale_, translation cleanups, documentation editing, packaging, managing servers, svn, ftp, dev machines, etc. etc.
06:04.42ajavidminerale_, a lot is going on at all times
06:04.58ajavidminerale_, start by the area you are interested in contributing on, and start there
06:06.16anddamKamping_Kaiser: and do you by any chance know the id for ext3 partition?
06:06.26ajavid82
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06:06.42Kamping_Kaiser^^
06:06.43ajavidits not ext3 specifically, its just 82 for linux and 83 for swap
06:06.46anddamseems linux swap
06:06.47Kamping_Kaiseror look at cfdisk, jut like i did
06:06.51ajavidit could be ext2/3/4
06:06.55anddamI'm looking at fdisk
06:06.58anddamBSD
06:06.59ajaviddid i switch 83/82 around?
06:07.03ajavidI'm an idiot sometimes.
06:07.10anddamand says 82 swap, 83 linux ext
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06:07.17ajavidok, go with what it says then
06:07.19anddamso it doesn't matter ext2 ext3?
06:07.22ajavidnope
06:07.41simonrvnno
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06:09.26jetscreamer82 is swap
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06:10.06ajavidi can't always remember everything
06:10.08jetscreamer83 is whatever linuxfs you mkfs
06:10.10Andorinajavid: I ran into this and it's, well, /exactly/ what I wanted. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/enable-smooth-fonts-on-ubuntu-linux/
06:10.11ajavidI used to smoke a lot of pot remember
06:10.27AndorinAnd I am /very/ pleased @ Debian now because it doesn't look so... sharp.
06:10.37ajavidlol
06:10.40ajavidbeautiful!
06:10.45ajavidAndorin, debian is the best.
06:11.04AndorinIt is quite awesome. ^^
06:11.13AndorinFor the most part so far, everything's worked.
06:12.18AndorinOh, by the way, is there a way to change the root password?
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06:12.40simonrvnof course
06:12.56Kamping_Kaiserheh
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06:13.27anddamotherwise that'd have been a major security issue
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06:14.25AndorinAlright. How do I do it?
06:14.26anddamthanks
06:14.40simonrvndepends
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06:15.35ospHi all, Stale NFS file handle - any idea how I can solve this? I'm not using NFS though
06:16.22AndorinOn?
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06:19.01simonrvnAndorin: you need to give more info. what sort of situation is this? we don't read minds, despite claims to the contrary.
06:19.37Andorinsimonrvn: Well... I don't know what else there is to give. I want to change the root password on my laptop. The system isn't broken or anything.
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06:20.14simonrvnoh, so you can just use passwd; man passwd for more options.
06:20.42AndorinOkay.
06:21.17simonrvnman 1 passwd if need be
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06:22.00AndorinGot it, thank you. ^^
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06:22.18jetscreamer!blame gravity for not telling jetscreamer to install linux-firmware and all the problems in the known universe
06:22.18dpkgblames fosco and gravity for not telling jetscreamer to install linux-firmware and all the problems in the known universe for the end of life as we know it
06:23.10jetscreamererr firmware-linux
06:23.25ajavidjetscreamer, should've read the Errata
06:23.27ajaviddumbass
06:23.28ajavid:)
06:23.34ajavidjetscreamer, it says it right there
06:23.37ajavidin your face!
06:23.47jetscreameryeah, mr ati know it all :p
06:23.49ajavid:)
06:25.21jetscreameri seem to recall mentioning my lack of 3d to you once
06:25.25jetscreamer:)
06:25.37simonrvngravity: happy birthday BTW :)
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06:25.57jetscreamerif it's his birthday, i sure hope he's not on irc :)
06:26.09simonrvnhaha ;)
06:26.16ajavidGhostlyDeath, happy bday
06:26.26ajavidgravity, goddamit happy bday
06:26.46ajavidgravity, I mean.. not godamit but i mean I'll shut up. have a good one man
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06:42.49dkayhello, how to modify my TWM ?
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06:42.58dkaywant an different background. is it possible?
06:43.59NicoOOoOobijour tous le monde :p
06:45.40ribasushi_is there a way to run a command once a dhcp-lease is granted to a user?
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06:46.02ribasushi_I see /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-*-hooks.d
06:46.10ribasushi_but this seems to apply to a client only
06:46.19ribasushi_I want the server to do something when a lease ig ranted
06:46.20ribasushi_thoughts?
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06:55.58nsadmindkay: you can get the source, so sure.
06:56.14dkaywhat to do?
06:56.37dkayi am browsing trough the menu but there is no setup menu
06:56.47dkaydo i have to modify any configs?
06:56.54dkaywhere to look at
06:56.54dkay?
06:57.04nsadminyou know it's written in C?
06:57.08dkaygoogled around but i havent found any tuts yet
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06:57.32dkayi cant C
06:57.38dkayalso c++
06:57.53dkayhavent learned some coding languages
06:58.02dkayit is hard to modify?
06:58.42dkayor where can i download some themes?
06:58.45nsadminyou'd have to learn C
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06:58.55zilenCehey guys
06:58.57dkaywould like to have an black glossy one
06:59.02nsadminor what do you mean by modify
06:59.05zilenCeI'm looking for a working sarge repository - are they still up?
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06:59.10zilenCeneed to install something on our mail server
06:59.16zilenCe(and no, I'm not going to upgrade the system)
06:59.42dkaywant only an black glossy twm
06:59.43nsadminzilenCe: no, you will have to look in archive.debian.org
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06:59.56zilenCensadmin: manual downloading? :d
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07:00.27dkaywith an mac os x background picture "jaguar" in black
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07:02.00nsadminsarge is not on the mirrors any more, it's at end of life, it's not being supported in any way, including answering questions here, and security updates
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07:03.19dkaywas it etch sarge lenny? or sarge etch lenny?
07:03.19nsadminyou'd probably have to get its cd images
07:03.56nsadmin!codenames
07:03.56dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2),  woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0) lenny=Testing sid=Unsable or see <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews
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07:04.14dkaywow
07:04.28dkaysarge will really be outdated then
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07:07.04dkaywell, thanks, i am going to look somewhere else how to modify twm
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07:10.24Maulkin!codenames
07:10.24dpkgcodenames is probably buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2),  woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0)=Testing, sid=Unsable or see <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews
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07:13.28jelly-homedpkg: codenames =~ s/sable/stable/
07:13.28dpkgOK, jelly-home
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07:14.25jelly-home!releases
07:14.25dpkgSee http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases.  See <release history> for prior releases.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
07:14.34jelly-home!release history
07:14.34dpkgDebian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story".  Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14).  The next release will be Squeeze.  See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html.
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07:38.46greg606hi
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07:40.13greg606hi
07:40.28greg606can you help me with a Zombie?
07:40.45greg606I'm concerned
07:40.49nkuttler!zombie
07:40.50dpkgA zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code.  This usually means the parent process is buggy.  You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
07:41.29greg606process is I guess Apache
07:41.52greg606I'm new to linux
07:42.06greg606but I havn't had any Zombie earlier
07:42.23greg606I'd like to repair it
07:42.30greg606not KILL :P
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07:43.41nkuttlerdid you read what the bot said?
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07:44.33greg606nkuttler: it doesn't say anything about solution
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07:45.51g0rd0nis it possible to log what happens in top/htop or similar?
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07:46.14sash_greg606: its the same as in resident evil. you have to kill their master, you cannot heal them :P
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07:47.23greg606sash_: "parent process is buggy" - I would heal this
07:47.34greg606I don't wany any bug
07:47.42xeon-enoufgreg606: ain't no healing init
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07:48.25greg606I just need this Zombie to stop appearing!
07:48.35greg606for ever :P
07:48.40xeon-enoufgreg606: that just meant that the original PPID might be buggy, still init needs to be restarted
07:49.02greg606so, should I just restart apache?
07:49.20xeon-enoufgreg606: see $PID 1 ;-)
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07:52.50jelly-homegreg606: when the parent process dies, any zombie processes will get cleaned up by init. So if apache it the parent, restarting it might help.
07:53.27OpenTokixAnyone know how you get search domain to stick between reboots. I tried chaning in the gnome applet, but it reset all the tiem
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07:54.16jelly-homegreg606: like the bot said, Z state is just a marker that a process used to be there and its parent hasn't collected the remains yet
07:55.09ethanolhey, I found this line to see recent modified files. I wonder if anyone can tell me if it also shows newly created files?
07:55.17ethanol"find . -type f -printf "%TY-%Tm-%Td %TT %p\n" | sort | less"
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07:56.28xeon-enoufethanol: what? find . -mtime -1 .. or something
07:56.43xeon-enoufOpenTokix: search domain?
07:56.49OpenTokixxeon-enouf: yes
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07:57.10xeon-enoufOpenTokix: what does that mean?
07:57.20jelly-homea line in resolv.conf
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07:57.33xeon-enouf!fixresolvconf
07:57.33dpkgTo fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>).  Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers).  Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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07:57.56OpenTokixxeon-enouf: gr8! Thx
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07:58.17xeon-enoufwas thinking ... google and such ... heh
07:58.28OpenTokixxeon-enouf: =)
07:58.34jelly-homegr8d cheese
07:58.46OpenTokixxeon-enouf: yeah, thanks alot
07:58.54xeon-enoufyummy 10x!
07:58.57xeon-enouf:-)
07:59.19xeon-enoufer 10q :-p
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08:05.50ribasushi_is there a good place to define static routes in the init sequence?
08:05.59ribasushi_or do I write an init script on my own?
08:06.47catsupribasushi_: /etc/network/interfaces is a good place
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08:07.15catsupwith an 'up' command
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08:07.38catsupalso /etc/network/if-up.d/ but that runs for every interface
08:07.40xeon-enouf!interfaces
08:07.41dpkgYour network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example).  Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively.  See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS.  Also ask me about <static route>.
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08:09.21catsupxeon-enouf: celebrating a new cpu?
08:09.45ribasushi_catsup: aha, that'll do
08:12.03ethanolI got some new network details for the location a server is being moved to. but for the netmask, all they gave me was '/25'. que? :<
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08:12.22xeon-enoufcatsup: a pair of em, yep :-P
08:13.04xeon-enouf!cidr
08:13.05dpkgit has been said that cidr is Classless Inter-Domain Routing, see RFC1517/1518/1519/1520..  See http://www.sput.nl/software/cidr-routing.html maybe, or and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR, or http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajhrzck79vcg_76dsfd8t4b
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08:13.22ethanolis that for me?
08:13.25xeon-enoufyes
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08:14.21ethanolso 255.255.255.128
08:14.54silidanhi, when i do aupdate then upgrade, synaptic, apt-get and aptitude all want to do very different stuff... to which should i stick?
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08:19.40jelly-homesilidan: which debian release are you using?
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08:22.08silidandebian lenny, but it upgraded to sid, actually i did all updates with apt-get, today i curiously tried the other two...
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08:22.57silidani hope all 3 at least use the same sources.lst
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08:26.30sphenxes01My DVD rom is not working. I have added usb dvd. I would like to use debian DVD 1 to install some programs. How can I add my /dev/sr0 to my repository.
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08:28.34xeon-enoufsphenxes01: apt-cdrom
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08:31.24silidandamnit, maybe apt-get aptitude and synaptic suggest different stuff, because my root partition is full ? :)
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08:32.57maxagazi have a vpn server on a machine with a ppp connection, through the vpn ip i can ssh to this server, but not through the ppp address, also for both addresses, port 22 is open (nmap), were could the problem come from ?
08:34.35cantidomaxagaz: does tcpdump show the traffic coming in to the ppp interface?
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08:35.54silidanconcerning debian sid: has anybody else got a difference in what synaptic, apt-get and aptitude want to do when updating youre  system?
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08:36.34cantidosilidan: they all use dpkg to do the actual work
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08:36.45silidanstrange then...
08:37.20silidanit may have something to do with the fact that my root partition is full....?
08:37.21cantidosilidan: the only real difference is how they manage what packages to install..
08:37.34Vasisthasilidan: aptitude intelligently keeps track of when it pulls in dependencies for a package you want to install. When you uninstall it, aptitude will automatically uninstall the dependencies. I understand the system isn't 100% bug-free but it's pretty good. If you use apt-get, though, it doesn't mark things and the state will be corrupted.
08:37.41bohnehi, i have debian on a vserver 8hosted). the server limits the inode cache usage. (/proc/user_beancounters dcachesize). is it possible to config debian that it should not use more inode cache than x mb ?
08:38.18sphenxes01xeon-enouf, thanks
08:38.20silidanVasistha: so i should only use aptitude rigght?
08:38.33themillVasistha: apt-get also tracks automatically installed packages from lenny onwards
08:38.57the-dudebohne: check /etc/sysctl.conf
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08:39.12Vasisthasilidan: when you first start using aptitude, you may have to go through and mark a great many packages as being "manually" requested for installation (as oppoosed to automatically installed to meet a dependency)
08:39.59Vasisthasilidan: so yes -- once you've got it set up, you should not use apt-get anymore (except apt-get source and the like)
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08:40.11bohnethe-dude: thank you
08:40.27Vasisthasilidan: erm -- themill seems to have corrected me while I was not paying attention!
08:41.04Vasisthathemill: I'm going to guess that there have also probably been some bug fixes in the system so it is better?
08:41.07silidancan aptitude live completley without apt-get ?, can apt-get live completley without aptitude?
08:41.19jelly-homesilidan: yes.
08:41.25themillsilidan: both use libapt
08:41.44themillVasistha: there's nothing wrong with the system as it currently stands except when people don't understand what a metapackage is
08:41.48LERvi'm lost on the road
08:42.04Kamping_Kaiserstick between teh white lines
08:42.06Kamping_Kaiser*the
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08:47.15maxagazcantido, how to use tcpdump to show it ?
08:47.50LERvwhere in the ONIONS is sshd_config at
08:48.36silidanhow can i find out which package consumes how much disk space?
08:48.43themillLERv: man sshd_config will tell you
08:48.50wahognysilidan, I use aptitude
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08:49.04wahognysilidan, sorry. synaptic
08:49.09LERvman woman
08:49.13LERvim a girl you sexist prick
08:49.35fireba11lol
08:49.50themillPity that joke doesn't improve with each time you hear it
08:50.12LERvwot joke
08:50.15LERvur fuckin sexist
08:50.19LERvget a life dude
08:50.20cantidomaxagaz: tcpdump <interface>
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08:50.45themillLERv: take a time out from #debian and when you come back, please be more signal and less noise
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08:51.18neonoe_hello, to check this file: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.sign the command "gpg -check" has to be used, no ?
08:51.35neonoe_(to check signature)
08:52.08maxagazcantido, ok, i had to run in sudo mode
08:52.20maxagazcantido, what's the next step ?
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08:54.18cantidomaxagaz: read how tcpdump works, if those packets are coming in to the ppp interface you should be able to see it happen and see if your machine replies
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08:57.38maxagazcantido, openvpn is also over the ppp connection, there a lot of traffic, i can't see anything about me trying to ssh to the server
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08:58.27maxagazcantido, i don't know how to grep it particularly
08:58.59neonoe_ok
08:59.18Arrowmasterso this week i have an xfs daemon running that wasnt running last week, but im not using xfs so why is it running?
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08:59.43cantidomaxagaz: you can add a filter to it.. so $tcpdump <interface> 'port ssh'; I think
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09:00.12cantidomaxagaz: also run ssh with -v .. but as it works over the VPN it suggests packets aren't getting to the server or out of the server
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09:01.21xeon-enoufsilidan: something like this? grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd "  \n" | sort -n | less
09:03.00silidanthanks
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09:04.00flokuehnmaxagaz: maybe you want to look for "dmiessler tcpdump" in google
09:04.11flokuehnthere are some good recieps for howto tcpdump
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09:04.36cantidomaxagaz: dmesg should contain some info if packets are getting dropped too
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09:05.36maxagazcantido, I tried "sudo tcpdump -i ppp0 port 22" but i can't see nothing when i ssh from my machine (which is in a subnet)
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09:09.16ajavidgood morning
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09:10.23alinuxhi if I did buy a https cert for my apache server and now I am implementing lload balancing and adding two new servers, legally speaking how are those licenses sold out, per server or can I put the same license along with the private key on the two other servers.
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09:44.55Kasreyncomparing two NICs all that differs is priority queues. is that usefull for anything? can't you use the options in linux kernel to get the same results?
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09:46.19xeon-enoufwhat?
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09:48.59the-dudealinux: are you using apache for loadbalancing?
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09:51.56atirjavidxeon-enouf, dude you know what just happened to me
09:52.14atirjavidxeon-enouf, I got back on my computer after many hours, and I have tons of private messages of racis hate speech...
09:52.17atirjavidI'm going wtf.
09:52.18atirjavidlol
09:52.34atirjavidand I'm not even black.
09:52.40atirjavid*sigh* ahhh boy
09:53.21atirjavidthe-dude, apache for load balancing?
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09:53.36atirjavidthe-dude, I'd be interested in that
09:55.01the-dudeajavid: it's possible
09:55.38ajavidthe-dude, I'm sure, I've never heard of such thing though
09:55.47ajavidthe-dude, (I'm not very computer savvy)
09:55.58ajavidthe-dude, what would I need to do?
09:57.02the-dudeajavid: read about apache and High availability
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09:57.15the-dudecan't be explained in 1 one
09:58.53ajavidok
09:59.53g00seCan someone confirm/refute that for a file to file symlink where name and target are in the same directory, it's necessary to cd to that directory to issue the ln command?
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10:04.00oxihi
10:04.24oxiwhile tying to do an aptitude instal maven2, I get:
10:04.25petemcg00se: that would be very easy to test yourself
10:04.27oxiErr ftp://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/main libplexus-container-default-java 1.0-alpha-9-stable-1-4
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10:04.55oxiE: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/plexus-container-default/libplexus-container-default-java_1.0-alpha-9-stable-1-4_all.deb: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/pool/main/p/plexus-container-default/libplexus-container-default-java_1.0-alpha-9-stable-1-4_all.deb: No such file or directory  '
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10:05.24Breaking_Pittsomeone can tell me what is the function of ident service
10:05.27Breaking_PittI would like to know if it's a critical service or it can be removed
10:06.08oxiwhen I look into ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/plexus-container-default/ , I notice there's a new version: libplexus-container-default-java_1.0-alpha-9-stable-1-5_all.deb
10:06.29themilloxi: sounds like you need to "aptitude update"
10:06.35oxiCan anyone help me how to fix this and point it to the new version?
10:06.42oxithemill: ah, I'll try that
10:07.07themillBreaking_Pitt: /msg dpkg ident
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10:07.47oxithemill: You were right! - I didn't think of that.
10:07.48g00sepetemc: The thing is, i'm not entirely sure that i'm not missing something. ln slightly confuses me
10:07.54oxithemill: thanks a lot!
10:08.23petemcg00se: what confuses you?
10:08.35cantomaguys, how can i find out the filesystem of an external disk?
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10:09.28g00sepetemc: Well just the options and names and stuff. I don't think it works if you're not in the link dir, but i could just be incompetent ..
10:09.39petemcg00se: it does indeed work
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10:11.06g00sepetemc: I tried it and the 'name' part showed as the following in the dir : ./x/y/z That's got to be wrong. And the link didn't work
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10:12.09g00sepetemc: But it put exactly what i told it to, as if it were merely a string
10:12.38themillg00se: perhaps you can give concrete examples of what you're doing and what happens (output of ls etc) in a pastebin.
10:12.55g00sethemill: ok
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10:15.59sylaranyone use silicon image PCIe card for extra SATA ports? (I am trying to figure out if I can use it with debian)
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10:18.15ethanolI am concerned about the usage of my swap. it claims to be unused and also to be 0mb
10:18.25ethanolI am wondering if something went wrong during partitioning
10:18.27ethanolhow can I check?
10:18.45the-dudeethanol: then it doesn't need to get used, be happy :)
10:19.10ethanolthe-dude: but it also seems to be non-existant in size
10:19.18ethanolthough I am quite sure the partition tool allocated 2gb
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10:20.02the-dudedmesg |grep -i swap ?
10:20.17ethanolnothing
10:20.18cantidosylar: do you have a model number?
10:20.19the-dudeor less /etc/fstab and see if it should get mounted
10:20.37ethanol/dev/sda5       none            swap    sw              0
10:20.40ethanolit has no mount point
10:20.53ethanolmy 'boss' said that is ok, but I thought it needed a mount point?
10:21.06the-dudenopes swap doesnt need a mountpoint
10:21.06cantidoethanol: if it's not being used the kernel has decided it doesnt want to swap anything out.. you can control when the kernel swaps
10:21.14ethanolI see
10:21.20cantidoethanol: where would you mount it to?
10:21.24ethanolso it does not allocated those 2gb untill it decides to use it?
10:21.39the-dudeit only swaps when all of your memory is used
10:21.49ethanolah ok
10:21.57ethanolthat is entirely not the case, so that would explain
10:21.59ethanolit
10:22.00cantidothe-dude: or a region of memory is inactive and could be better used
10:22.13the-dudeso its a good thing it doesn't swap :)
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10:23.05sylarcantido, sii 3132
10:23.27cantidosylar: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
10:23.36KasreynI heard swap also contains code that is commonly used..
10:23.49sylarcantido, I also have sil 5723 but that one doesn't allow me to see JBOD of both disks for some reason
10:24.14sylarcantido, (5723 is on my motherboard)
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10:24.31cantidosylar: according to that page that controller has been supported "production quality" since 2005
10:24.32ethanolthe-dude: so far have not exceeded 300mb of 3.2gb ram
10:25.21the-dudeethanol: if you want 2 you good "force" it, try compiling a several kernels , that should generate some swap memory
10:25.48ethanolnah it's fine. I was only concerned I might have screwed up the install
10:25.56ethanolbut that seems to be not the point
10:26.27g00sepetemc: ,themill: I could be being a fool but the link ends up wrong: http://pastebin.com/f3adcd055
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10:29.16themillg00se: a really simple test case in a couple of clean directories in /tmp would be better here. Include all the commands you gave, e.g. mkdir -p /tmp/lntest/{a,b}; touch /tmp/lntest/a; do some symlinking.... into b; ls -l /tmp/lntest/{a,b}
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10:30.11AndorinI installed Debian on my PC tonight and I seem to be experiencing some graphical lag... might be a driver problem for all I know, but I have no idea how to resolve them in Linux.
10:31.00g00sethemill: Well, you wanted it concrete .. ;-)
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10:33.02themillg00se: true... but simple test cases are still concrete and much easier to understand
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10:37.12azmhow to disable shortcut?
10:37.37petemcdelete it? what type of shortcut?
10:37.46g00sethemill: Fair enough. This doesn't work either: http://pastebin.com/f4e88656f
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10:37.59azmwell, keyboard shortcut
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10:38.08azmI click on it and it will just edit
10:38.21azmto another shortcut
10:38.44azmbut default was just "Disabled"
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10:40.23kavakavaWhy isn't Pidgin updated to >2.5.9 in Lenny? (Regarding the security breach.)
10:40.29nsadminazm: maybe you'll have to find the text file that holds the shortcut and edit it (that is, if you're lucky enough it is stored as text)
10:41.09nsadminkavakava: that's not how it works... bugs fixed in released debian do not increment the version
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10:41.22azmk.
10:41.25nsadminyou don't get another version, you get the bug fixed, that'
10:41.27themillkavakava: debian backports security updates, check the changelog for 2.4.3-4lenny4 and I will expect that you find the CVE number closed.
10:41.28nsadmins all
10:41.37ajccHi. I accedentally removed my external harddrive's ext3 partition in the Windows XP installer. I didn't format any drives but it seems like the WinXP install removed something. Is there anyway to restore it? I'm using Debian 5.0.2 amd64.
10:41.37themillg00se: you want "ln -sv 1 a/b/c/a"
10:42.03azmbut anyway this should be fixed
10:42.07harkazm: try pressing esc
10:42.20azmno
10:42.36harkazm: or backspace
10:42.51azmwell I pressed esc
10:42.51nsadminazm: probably so... so once you have it fixed, you'll provide a patch?
10:42.56azmthe windows closed
10:43.06azmbut now its disabled as well
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10:44.25mhymnajcc: /msg dpkg testdisk
10:44.30nsadminso you solved your problem?
10:44.35azmwell the fix would be just to write next to lightbulb: press [this] to disable shortcut
10:44.49azmsec.
10:44.51kavakavansadmin / themill: Thanks.
10:45.08azmno
10:45.12harkazm: what window is it? can you give a screenshot?
10:45.14azmit did not solve
10:45.38nsadminso probably you just cancelled the edit
10:46.01azmits keyboard sh. in system-preferences
10:46.04inckiei need apache 2.0.53 anyone knows where i can find a package?
10:46.24themillinckie: that's quite ancient... why?
10:46.26g00sethemill: That gives: ln: accessing `a/b/c/a': Too many levels of symbolic links
10:46.34nsadminjudd versions apache
10:46.36themillg00se: works here.
10:46.37juddnsadmin: apache -- etch: 1.3.34-4.1+etch1
10:46.46nsadminjudd versions apache2
10:46.47juddnsadmin: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch10 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny4 sid: 2.2.11-2 sid: 2.2.13-1 squeeze: 2.2.13-1
10:46.52themillg00se: (delete the original link you made first)
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10:47.03themillazm: this is in gnome, I presume? (In KDE, you have a little "x>" next to the box to allow you to delete the shortcut)
10:47.04inckiethemill yup i know, but i need that, got some code which don't work on never versions
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10:47.19azmthemill, yea, its gnome
10:47.30ajccmhymn: you are a life saver!
10:47.35rumpsydpkg
10:47.36ajccmhymn: everything is back :D
10:47.37harkazm: did you try backspace then?
10:47.41ajccmhymn: thanks!
10:47.48mhymnnp
10:47.51nsadmininckie: looks like you'll have to build it or change the code so it works with the new version
10:47.52rumpsydpkg: botmail
10:47.55themillinckie: what sort of code? an apache module?
10:48.14themillrumpsy: /msg dpkg dpkgbot ; /msg dpkg selftell
10:48.16azmhark, The shortcut "Space" cannot be used because it will become impossible to type using this key.
10:48.17azmPlease try with a key such as Control, Alt or Shift at the same time.
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10:48.41harkazm: backspace not space
10:48.58azmhark, ah, sorry. That solved the problem:)
10:49.11inckiethemill no it's a guy who made some code for us, the guy won't fix it so it works with newer version of apache
10:49.14azmthanks
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10:49.35harkazm: also it tells you how to do it right below, next to the lightbulb
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10:50.48inckiethemill it's something about how it posts into the post forms
10:50.55themillinckie: "some code"? php script? perl module? apache module? ... 2.0.53 has plenty of known security vulnerabilities. You don't want to be running it...
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10:51.41inckiethemill it's a program, which post some sound files and some shit, doesn't quit know, the server will not be available on the internet
10:51.48harkrumpsy: no such thing
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10:52.39rumpsyi got it
10:52.45g00sethemill: Great, that worked
10:52.53g00sethemill: Thanks
10:53.00themillno worries
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10:55.15azmhark I see, Im still learning how keyboard and mouse work. sorry
10:56.06harkazm: np :)
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10:57.22rumpsywiki.debian.org is taking time to load!
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10:57.53harkit runs on debian
10:58.29mhymnstop using ie6
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11:00.39rumpsyi'm using debian!!
11:00.49hmageI am too!!
11:00.55hmagehello by the way
11:01.21rumpsyThen this page is not working [wiki.debian.org]
11:01.34nsadmineverything takes time to load
11:02.23Dumb0nsadmin, you are right, I got the same problems
11:02.31harki meant the site is hosted on debian, i'm so sorry
11:02.33themillwfm...
11:03.05rumpsyeven i found debian.org fails to load
11:03.43nsadmindebian.org doesn't use fancy graphical stuff...
11:04.26nsadminand it's working fine.
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11:05.29nsadminDumb0: no, you're not understanding... anything that loads anything for anyone always takes some amount of time
11:06.09hmagedebian.org works ok here
11:06.19hmagewiki.debian.org works ok here
11:06.37rumpsyOops why not its working here
11:06.53nsadminyou haven't provided that information
11:06.59harkrumpsy: can you access other sites?
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11:07.18rumpsyya i can
11:07.41Dumb0nsadmin, ok, because it's coincide with my current connection problems
11:08.28rumpsyi can access all other sites except debian.org
11:08.48rumpsyWhat can't understand what might be the prob?
11:08.50nsadmincan you ping it?
11:09.04PazzoHi All! I have a really silly, simple stupid question: how can I force Epiphany to start in FULL fullscreen mode, without location bar?! Tried out more or less any lockdown option, no way :-(
11:09.08nsadmintoo many possibilities and you have provided no info yet
11:09.30PazzoThe options are either fullscreen AND location bar - or NOT fullscreen and removed location bar?!
11:09.59hmagerumpsy: type 'traceroute debian.org' in terminal
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11:10.13rumpsyOkay i try
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11:11.22rumpsyHmmmm, its blinking... taking time..
11:12.19rumpsyi got two info by that command
11:12.33hmagewhen traceroute finishes, paste it's output via http://paste.debian.net/
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11:13.13hmagerumpsy: http://paste.debian.net/46276/ -- that's how my traceroute output looks like
11:14.16rumpsyhmage: i did what you say
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11:20.34rumpsyhow to install webcam driver?
11:20.48hmagerumpsy: I'm still waiting for you traceroute output
11:20.52hmagefor your*
11:21.35rumpsyhmage: i pasted that in pastebin url
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11:23.02rumpsyhmage: got it?
11:23.18hmagei need your url
11:23.46rumpsymy url?
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11:23.52rumpsyWhat?
11:23.54hmagego to http://paste.debian.net/ -- paste it there, you'll get an url for that
11:24.26hmageafter you get an url, type it here
11:24.44rumpsy: http://paste.debian.net/46280
11:25.07rumpsyhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/46280 to see as plain text
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11:26.21rumpsyI think you got it now!
11:27.38hmageeither you didn't paste the full output completely, 216.66.84.58 is not debian.org IP address, or your network is screwed
11:28.18hmagetype 'host debian.org' in terminal please
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11:29.25rmrfchiklooking for 2.6.31 in sid
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11:30.01rumpsyi got some info
11:30.09hmagethat tells me nothing
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11:30.30rumpsydebian.org has address 128.31.0.51
11:30.32rumpsydebian.org has address 194.109.137.218
11:30.34rumpsydebian.org mail is handled by 0 master.debian.org.
11:30.44rumpsyThis what i got
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11:30.57hmageplease, don't paste more than 2 lines here
11:31.10hmageuse paste.debian.org for that
11:32.10hmagenow I can see that debian.org resolves properly. Unfortunately I don't have much more time for that but I'd recommend talking to your ISP about this.
11:32.50rumpsyho!
11:33.01rumpsywait.. i see now
11:33.03ethanoliptables -L does not show interfaces?
11:33.16ethanolit shows this rule: ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere
11:33.21ethanolbut I added that with -i lo
11:33.29ethanolto accept local connections
11:33.36rumpsyhmage: its working now, thank you
11:34.09ethanolbut I interpret this output as if it has opened up completely to everything
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11:37.53rumpsyhow can i enable webcam
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11:38.40abrotmandepends on the webcam
11:41.01rumpsyWhat is the appropriate software for that
11:41.15abrotmanthe driver or an application to actually use it?
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11:43.26rumpsyTell me a best app for webcam
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11:45.59tommydthemill: do you remember me? I was the guy who was asking you about a php/mysql specific package problem. You asked why stock-etch php doesn't work for us and I told you we needed php >= 5.2.6 - I now found the reference again: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=42682 - this was unfortunately not backported to etch
11:47.16tommydI'm quite happy to see that Lenny exactly has 5.2.6 ... but newer versions include several bug fixes as well
11:48.00tommydand lenny-backports has no updates here, unfortunately
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11:49.50themilltommyd: what an ugly bug. Providing backports of php is unfortunately not that easy and is a lot of work. Add to that the php developers like to break, change and fiddle as they go rather than just fixing things... their concept of "maintenance" vs "development" branches is somewhat different to most. That can frequently mean that installing a backport breaks existing setups which is not really a good thing.
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11:50.41tommydugly bug: yes, it broke one of the most important parts of our system, our messaging system
11:51.16eozmen1233hebpinizin aq :d
11:51.38tommydsometimes I think php is not only used most by script kiddies, but also developed by a lot of those species
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11:52.51themilltommyd: heh... at least they actively tried to fix that bug rather than going through a dozen "please test snapshot" cycles before closing it because the submitter didn't reply fast enough.
11:53.29themill("please test snapshot" without any indication that they think they might have actually done something towards fixing it, I should add)
11:54.04tommydyes, I hate this behaviour as well and it seems to be the only OS community where this is actually the case
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11:54.30tommydit seems as if the devs are annoyed sometimes if somebody puts a bug into their tracker
11:54.38toolzrarely on my console I get:    kernel:[ 8373.743831] Bad pagetable: 000d [1] SMP
11:54.42toolzwhat could cause that?
11:54.46tommydfor that very reason I do not report any more PHP bugs
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11:55.29toolzcan anyone tell me which is the linux-image for i686-bigmem kernel
11:55.54themilltoolz: take a guess what search terms you'd give "apt-cache search"
11:56.45ethanolhow do I make iptables be loaded on boot? right now it seems it wipes/flushes upon reboot
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11:57.03toolzwell I forgot I have installed amd64 so thats not needed anymore
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12:00.05ethanolnevermind solved it ^^
12:00.41deufraiHi there, I need to install a 4.1 MySQL server on an am64 etch (Yeah, I know). But the 4.1 MySQL package on etch repos is a virtual package that gets 5.x installed. Is there a way besides building MySQL 4.1 from source ?
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12:01.03Titan8990_judd, versions mysql-server
12:01.04juddTitan8990_: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 sid: 5.1.37-2 squeeze: 5.1.37-2
12:01.13Titan8990_deufrai, doubt it
12:01.52ethanolwhy people still want to use 4.x goes beyond me ):
12:01.57ethanolsilly people
12:02.02OpenTokixethanol: =)
12:02.20deufraiethanol: some people need it
12:02.25OpenTokixethanol: Maybe they are used to centos, and want a smooth transition to the 21st century?
12:02.33ethanoldeufrai: need, never. lazy to update, often.
12:02.53deufraiwrong
12:03.25Titan8990_ethanol, they probably have legacy code
12:03.34deufraiwhat if you take over an application that was developped on 4.x and need a working reference before migrating/evolving ?
12:03.45abrotmananyways ...
12:03.49illuminatiwhat can RedHat do and Debian cannot ?
12:04.17Titan8990_there are some red hat specific clustering applications....
12:04.23abrotmandeufrai: yes, you'd have to build it from source .. you could also try to force the sarge package to work on etch
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12:04.43ethanolthey should just read this; http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/upgrading-from-previous-series.html
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12:05.02deufraiabrotman: I thought about that, but I've just read that amd64 wasn't supported before etch, right ?
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12:05.22abrotmandeufrai: not officially, so you might have to look really hard for it
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12:05.25ethanolI doubt going from 4.x to 5.0 will break much
12:05.25xmaghi
12:05.28ethanolif anything at all
12:05.47xmagis there a way of running a base configuration in a bootstrapped lenny system
12:05.57Titan8990_i don't know, the words "incompatible change" occur quite often in that migration guide
12:06.13xmagi just did debootstrap lenny and chrooted into it
12:06.35xmagnow i want to prepare the system that i can boot from it
12:06.55ethanolTitan8990: yea but nothing really significant. at least, not in my experience.
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12:07.04deufraiok guys, thank you for your time. gonna dive into sarge packages and see what comes out
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12:07.43abrotmanethanol: but it's not your data .. if he says he wants to do it this way, let him .. you can fault the guy for being cautious
12:07.49ethanoldeufrai: see if you can find the .deb somewhere
12:08.15deufraiethanol: only could find i386 ones
12:08.24ethanoland you needed amd64?
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12:08.39deufraiyes ^^
12:08.41ethanolah
12:08.54ethanolhttp://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/mysql-server-4.1/download
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12:09.59ethanoldeufrai: not sure if that is of any use, but good luck
12:10.10abrotmanethanol: that's a transitional package .. IOW .. not useful in any way
12:10.26deufraiethanol: isn't that the same transitional package that gets 5.x installed (just a wild guess from displayed path) ?
12:10.26ethanolabrotman: ?
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12:10.31abrotmandeufrai: http://amd64.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-4.1/ .. best of luck to you
12:10.44ethanoloh ):
12:10.45abrotmanethanol: *not useful* ..
12:11.51deufraiabrotman: thank you for that pointer
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12:20.30EagleScreenwhat happens if I define /home mount pint in a ntfs-3g partition?
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12:21.15deufraiabrotman: by inspecting `dpkg -I`, I guess I have a chance. I'll try and keep you posted when I get my hands on said system, next monday. Thanx again
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12:21.26abrotmandeufrai: sorry for your pain :)
12:21.32abrotmanEagleScreen: backup your data and try ...
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12:21.34deufrai:)
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12:23.19oxihi
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12:23.37oxidoes anyone understand how  /usr/share/maven-repo is used in debian?
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12:28.27kibombohow do you see what permissions a group has?
12:28.47petemcfind / -group foo ?
12:28.56Snarkhi
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12:29.03SnarkI'm looking for  libusb 2:0.1.12-12
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12:31.18abrotmanjudd: versions libusb
12:31.20juddabrotman: libusb --
12:31.24abrotmanokay then ...
12:31.44Titan8990_abrotman, that versions in lenny anyways
12:31.59abrotmannot by that package name
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12:32.18Titan8990_package name is libusb-0.1-4
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12:32.33Titan8990_aptitude show returns version 0.1.12-13
12:32.45Titan8990_well, close enough probably :)
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12:33.16Snarknot close enough
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12:33.27SnarkI want to install 0.1.12-12 to check for a regression
12:33.42abrotmanoh, not likely to happen .. snapshot.debian.net died long ago IIRC
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12:36.00Snarkhttps://launchpad.net/debian/lenny/+source/libusb/2:0.1.12-12 <- I think I have what it takes to make one :-)
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12:36.28abrotmanSnark: they may have changed it .. be careful
12:36.37Snarkyes
12:36.48azeemnot if there's no ubuntu version on it
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12:36.55abrotmansdn has up to -10
12:37.17Snarkabrotman, looking at the page, I think I have the bare ubuntu thingie
12:37.42Snarks/ubuntu/debian/
12:37.42Snarkso that must work
12:38.07NicoOOoOoqui peut me dire, svp, ce que ca veut dire "accélérometre" dans les descriptions des telephones ?!
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12:38.29SnarkNicoOOoOo, c'est un capteur d'accélération
12:38.50SnarkNicoOOoOo, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accéléromètre
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12:39.04azeemSnark: please don't write french in here
12:39.05azeem!fr
12:39.06dpkgPour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net.  French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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12:39.45NicoOOoOoouais c'est vrai franchement Snark :D :D tu déconnes la :D (merci en tous ;p)
12:40.03NicoOOoOothx all pour la réponse :p
12:41.38DominicusApparently, some time over the night, my system (which is still running from the looks of things) had a kernel failure. I found out, because there was a gui message window in the lower right hand corner of the screen alerting me to it. It asked me if I wanted to send a message to kerneloops.org or something, but I accidentally clicked in the window (but not on a button) and the window disappeared. How do I get it back to submit the
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12:42.54abrotmanNicoOOoOo: english here
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12:43.13xozif the oops are unpredictable, you have to wait it will happen again... or you can check dmesg and log files for similar warning.
12:43.21reaktaeDominicus: doesn't it just submit some of your logs?
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12:43.48azeemDominicus: your line got cut off at "to submit the..."
12:44.16Dominicusreaktae: I'm not sure what it submits. But, I randomly just put "kerneTAB" and it auto completed "kerneloops-applet" for me. And it retriggered the pop up gui message.
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12:44.52Snarkusb 6-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by usbfs while 'usb' sets config #1
12:45.09Snark^ I get that since a few days... and that means a non-working printer
12:45.25SnarkI thought that was due to the latest libusb upgrade, but apparently it doesn't :-/
12:45.26Dominicusazeem: Look into a fix for your irc client then. Because I hardly ever have someone tell me that and people usually see all of my messages.
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12:46.35reaktaeDominicus: so you're all good now?
12:46.55reaktaeazeem: what client are you on?
12:47.34SnarkI have the same as azeem : the sentence ends with "get it back to submit th"
12:47.34DominicusYeah, I just set it to always submit, but now I want to recant on that, manually choose to submit it. Yeah, kerneloops and kerneloops-applet are the two items to look for. =)
12:47.54DominicusThanks everyone.
12:48.01reaktaeHaving read that.. ME TOO, Dominicus
12:48.19reaktaeDominicus: YOU get a fix for your client
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12:49.19Dominicusreaktae: LOL. I'm using irssi. I've tested longer messages that that problem one before against other users in the past. What clients are you guys using that saw my previous message get clipped off?
12:49.40azeemDominicus: it doesn't matter, we see what the server sends
12:49.43azeemand it didn
12:49.54azeem't send anything after what I said
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12:50.38azeemnote that I wasn't complaining, I was merely pointing out your support request got cropped in the middle
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12:51.14SnarkDominicus, xchat-gnome
12:51.42Dominicusazeem: It should be tcp based. So if it's dropping whole conversations that should be reported. And I didn't see some nasty barrage of netsplits (for whatever reason those happen). =)
12:51.54Dominicusazeem: and reaktae What chat clients are you guys using?
12:52.00SnarkDominicus, perhaps freenode cuts too long messages
12:52.02azeemDominicus: please keep it on topic
12:52.22reaktaei'm on the oh-so-very-fantastic-chatzilla :)
12:52.23azeemspeculating on how irc works isn't on-topic here
12:52.32reaktaeazeem: good point..
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12:52.55reaktaeAnyway ,here's my latest problem: a usb flash drive got unplugged in the middle of formatting and now gets detected, but won't mount. do you know of any utilities that would allow me force-format it to some particular settings, provided that I have another, identical one to take those from?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/269139/ i'm on lenny 5.0.3
12:53.30abrotmanreaktae: "disk read failed" ?
12:53.48reaktaeabrotman: that's right..
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12:54.07Titan8990_reaktae, probably need to fix the filesystem first
12:54.25Dominicusazeem: having you tell me in a single line of chat what client you're using amongst three whole people, is important to know if there's a trend. Otherwise how can people expect to have "Debian" topic discussion without message getting clipped right in the middle of them. YOu can go sit on your "off topic" comment.
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12:54.54themillpoints towards #debian-offtopic
12:55.10Dominicuslaughs.
12:55.31themillDominicus: it has nothing to do with clients, it's part of the IRC protocol.
12:55.57Dominicusthemill: I've never looked at the irc protocol.
12:55.58reaktaeTitan8990_: how do you suggest i do that? i can't seem to be able to access the drive at all.. the only thing i know is that lsusb lists it right but the device won't show up in /dev and hence i can't manipulate it, or can I? Note that I don't need to recover any data at this point, i just want to zero the flash...
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12:56.29abrotmanit won't show up in /dev/ because you're getting an error accessing the device
12:56.47reaktaeso how do i manipulate it?
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12:58.18abrotmanit doesn't seem to be able to read the partition table .. don't think you'll be able to create one either
12:58.28abrotmanare there any sda* devices ?
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12:58.38reaktaenone
12:58.42Akuwhi
12:58.59Akuwi have a server but haven't tape backup
12:59.16Akuwso i have a nother computer with 2 HDD
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12:59.39Akuwi wwill install debian in that secondd pc to backup server using rsync
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12:59.56abrotman!tell Akuw about enter
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13:00.45reaktaealso, i'm not sure if it got unplugged during a format or partitioning, that could be why a partition can't be read, too.
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13:01.39abrotmanreaktae: it seems more like the device itself is dying
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13:03.57reaktaereaktae: it shouldn't, it's quite new... only a few writes really... however, it is an off-brad one. did i mention that I do have another, identical one? Couldn't I just raw-read from the usb with that one in and raw-write to the usb with my broken one? does that even make sense?
13:04.09reaktaeread: off-brand
13:04.18abrotmanand oyu're talking to yourself ...
13:04.33ranixabrotman: that's okay until he starts answering himself
13:04.38ranixthen we have a problem
13:04.56abrotmanreaktae: i'm not aware of a way to write to a raw usb device (doesn't mean it doesn't exist)
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13:05.44Dominicusabrotman: Oh, just have him commit scarilege and drop it into a Windows box and reformat it.
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13:05.45Titan8990_you could with dd but not w/o a /dev/xxx
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13:06.01reaktaeabrotman, ranix: haha. sad, innit?
13:06.10abrotmanDominicus: he could try that .. but it really seems to me that it's dying ?
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13:06.30ranixas far as I understand, there is no way to 'write' to a raw usb device
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13:06.36Akuwhow can i know what is a server using to firewall?
13:06.38ranixyou could send data out the usb port
13:06.43Akuwi have root accesss
13:06.49Titan8990_Akuw, iptables -L
13:06.54reaktaeDominicus: not so much, no valid partition table means windows won't even keep it powered up...
13:06.59ranixbut that wouldn't do anything good to a storage device
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13:07.05Dominicusabrotman: It does sound like that. But, dropping it into a windows box (to effectively exclude his distro as a source of trouble) would be the easiest to troubleshoot.
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13:07.13reaktaeranix: how's that done? as in, the device addressed?
13:07.17abrotmanDominicus: or he could boot a liveCD
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13:07.37Titan8990_systemrescuecd ftw
13:07.41Kuifje111hello all. is there any way to check the CPU temperature via the command line?
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13:08.24cahootKuifje111: acpi -t might do
13:08.32reaktaeDominicus: I really don't understand, mate. How would I format a drive that windows doesn't even see?
13:08.34Kuifje111ok, thanks
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13:08.54abhifxcan someone help me with update-alternatives
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13:09.04ranixreaktae: there's a library I've used for fooling with USB DSP boards in userspace called libusb
13:09.05Titan8990_abhifx, ask your question
13:09.13Akuwhow can i turn iptables off?
13:09.27Titan8990_Akuw, recompile your kernel to exclude netfilter
13:09.38reaktaeTitan8990_: is there a particular utility included you have in mind or should I just wonder around the sysresq
13:09.41ranixreaktae: there was once a device entry for /dev/usb also, but I only see /dev/usbdev these days and I don't know what's in that
13:09.44Titan8990_Akuw, by default it just passes everything which is basically the same as being "off"
13:09.52HedosHello. I`m trying to install and configure sshd on my debian box. I can do "ssh localhost" on that computer and get connected just fine, however, if I attempt to ssh from another machine on the network, it just times out.
13:10.00HedosWhat's wrong?
13:10.08Titan8990_reaktae, no specific utility, just pop in the usb and see if it picks it up
13:10.21Titan8990_reaktae, the goal is the rule out your running distro as the cause of the problem
13:11.01Titan8990_Hedos, you have a firewall, nat issue, or improper sshd configuration
13:11.05reaktaeTitan8990_: I already know that.. an xp box had no clue!
13:11.37abhifxi used update-alternatives for python, now i have removed python 3.1.1. but now the python command says command not found
13:11.44zignigHedos: can you ping the machine from the other box ?
13:12.11Dominicusreaktae: If linux isn't able to mount the drive properly. There's the off chance that linux just can't handle the glitch it's seeing. So, just drop the usb thumb drive in a Windows machine, and attempt to format it. That should tell you if your thumb drive is a goner or not. Not everything works in linux correctly all the time. That's what I've found, but I still prefer it for it's power, customization, and effort to keep striving
13:12.52Titan8990_abhifx, python 3.1 is NOT backwards compatible with 2.x and will no doubt cause you issues
13:12.54zignigabhifx: check that there is a symlink in /usr/bin/ for python
13:12.55ranixreaktae: did you dmesg | tail -50 upon inserting the drive to see what dmesg says is the problem as to why it can't create a /dev/sdfoo device?
13:13.11HedosTitan8990_: No firewall or router issue, I'm only attempting to connect from another computer in the home network at the moment
13:13.13Titan8990_abhifx, i highly recommend against that unless oyu are a python dev (and even they would recommend against it)
13:13.15ranixreaktae: or does it actually have a /dev/sdfoo device
13:13.25Hedoszignig: Hum, that's strange, no
13:13.26harkabhifx: which version of debian?
13:13.28reaktaeDominicus: been there, done that... from my experience, there aren't many cases where *nix don't work with drives and win do. It's always been vice-versa...
13:13.41Titan8990_Hedos, nmap -sS -p22 <machine running sshd>
13:13.45Titan8990_Hedos, from the client
13:13.49zignigHedos: tada ! , I would say firewall
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13:14.16zignigHedos: try ssh localip ( not localhost ,127.0.0.1 )
13:14.24abhifxhere is what i did sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.5 20
13:14.29abhifxhere is what i did sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python3.1.1
13:14.31Dominicusreaktae: I.E. If you eliminate the common parts of the system of accessing your thumb drive drive in the hopes that it'll mount for formatting it, then the only thing left should all else fail, is the common thumbdrive.
13:14.33Titan8990_Hedos, "timed out" usually means that the connection never made it to the box
13:14.43zignigTitan8990_: usually ..... ;)
13:15.06reaktaeranix: it's all in my syslog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/269139/ and no, there's no /dev/sd*
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13:15.12Dominicusreaktae: Which means it's time for a new thumd drive at that point, unless you want to have a chuckle at looking at warranty repair. lol
13:15.16abhifxTitan8990, i was trying new blender 2.5 test build which required python 3.1
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13:15.24Hedosfunnily enough the network cable was unplugged... problem is fixed now... thx for the help... :P
13:15.30abhifxzignig, how do i check a symlink
13:15.42zignigabhifx: yeah, that pissed me off too , why 3.1 oh why !
13:15.53zignigabhifx: ls -l /usr/bin/python
13:15.54ranixreaktae: if /dev/sda doesn't exist after those errors your drive is broken
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13:17.38abhifxzignig, glad i found you here is what it says after using your command  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2009-09-11 17:19 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python
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13:18.06zignigabhifx: so it's pointing to the alternative set.
13:18.24zignigabhifx: so....  update-alternatives --list python
13:18.49zignigabhifx: then ... update-alternative --config python , and select one that you actually have installed :)
13:18.50reaktaeThanks everybody.... ranix I might give libsub a try, thanks for that!
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13:20.01zignigabhifx: did you actually get 2.5 compiled ? , I was compiling it from time to time but it broke with the 3.1 python update.
13:20.21abhifxzignig, nothing happens
13:20.42zignigabhifx: hmmmm, ok what version did you want to use ?
13:20.44reaktaeranix: I meant libusb, of course..
13:22.30abhifxzignig, i was having python 2.6.2. then i tried to copmpile python 3 and then i downloaded deb packages for python 3.
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13:23.26Titan8990_3.1 is NOT ready for use....
13:23.27zignigabhifx: ok , go into /usr/bin   delete the python sym link and link the 2.6.2 ( ln -s python2.6.2 python )
13:23.45zignigabhifx: see what you have with a 'ls python* ' in /usr/bin/
13:24.09zignigTitan8990_: oh yes. ;/
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13:24.41zignigTitan8990_: and the ssl support is _still_ kind of borked.
13:25.17Titan8990_the backwards compatibility is mainly what I am talking about... I don't know of a single application written for 3.x
13:25.28Titan8990_the #python irc will not support 3.x
13:25.47zignigTitan8990_: ah, so it's sub-alpha...
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13:26.06abhifxzignig, there is nothing like ls python in /usr/bin/
13:26.06zignigTitan8990_: I still use 2.5 for all my coding.
13:26.19Titan8990_its not that python 3.x is not ready, its that the world is not ready for it i suppose
13:26.26zignigabhifx: cd /usr/bin ; ls python*
13:26.33zignigabhifx: need the star
13:26.52zignigTitan8990_: too cool for mere mortals ? ;)
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13:27.04Titan8990_even "hello world" for python 2.x will not run on 3.x
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13:27.41Titan8990_2.x: print "hello world" ; 3.x: print("hello world")
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13:28.22zignigTitan8990_: I remember reading about that some time ago , at least they are improving the consistancy.
13:28.25abhifxzignig, i get lots for directories python 2.4 2.5 2.6 3.1
13:28.32mmlj4I'm getting this error when trying to use ldapsearch (or ldapadd) right after installation (apt-get install slapd): ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Invalid credentials (49)
13:29.26zignigabhifx: that's good , you want to symlink in 2.6 ( from what you said before ) , ln -s python2.6 python
13:29.30mmlj4is there something I need to configure? I thought that since I was required to enter a password upon install, that password would be valid, etc. This seems to fail on 3 different debian boxes I've tried
13:29.32zignigabhifx: will create a link.
13:29.40abhifxzignig, now what?
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13:29.55zignigabhifx: ln -s python2.6 python
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13:30.43abhifxzignig, it says file exist
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13:31.05zignigabhifx: rm /usr/bin/python ( the existing symlink )
13:31.29zignigmmlj4: you need '-x' for simple auth
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13:32.26abhifxzignig, hurray it works, man you are a genius
13:32.38abhifxzignig, thank you very much
13:32.48zignigabhifx: that will be 1 million dollars thanks , or sharks with lasers will be fine :)
13:32.55zignigabhifx: No worries dood.
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13:33.39abhifxzignig, all i can do is pray to god for you
13:33.56abhifxzignig, hey can i worry you with new problem relating to python?
13:34.04zignigabhifx: ...
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13:34.54ranix!ask to ask
13:34.54dpkgDon't ask to ask.  Don't ask if anybody can help you with x.  Just ask!  If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
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13:35.19zigniguh oh, ranix has unleashed the bot :)
13:35.21abhifxzignig, i am using blender, when i run a python script it fails saying cant import math module
13:35.50abhifxdpkg : ask heh he
13:35.50dpkgparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, abhifx
13:36.09praseodymI'm looking to install netbeans-platform on lenny without pulling in openjdk, is this possible?
13:36.10wald0looks like my hard disk was broken this last night, now im trying to recover the data from it in live mode, but the speed is 5 mb/s when it goes more than 50 mb/s, by other side i have created another partition in the same disk and it works FAST, but this one no... what can be the cause that this partition only works at 5 mb/s ?
13:36.16zignigabhifx: you probably need a python math modules ; apt-cache search python math
13:36.24zignigabhifx: install one/all of these.
13:36.41ranixwald0: what FS? can you fsck it?
13:36.52wald0ranix, reiserfs, and yes i have fsck it but no errors
13:36.54justinfsck in a broken drive is a bad idea, it will just make it worse
13:37.12ranixah. Sorry, but I don't have much experience with error-handling in reiserfs
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13:37.21zignigwald0: two words 'backup now'
13:37.27wald0justin, i just *think* that is broken because it works very bad, that has happened yesterday night
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13:37.37wald0zignig, that's what im trying, but is very slow
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13:37.51abhifxzignig, that was cool one too, i will check and install it. hey thank you man. you saved me
13:38.19zignigwald0: check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log if is spewing errors.
13:38.21ranixwald0: check dmesg for io errors?
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13:39.07abhifxzignig, well how awkward, the missing thing is already installed. now what
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13:39.13zignigwald0: if it is keep copying onto a different drive and sacrifice a goat to your <DEITY>
13:39.39zignigabhifx: it can't be , try another one of the math packages.
13:39.49wald0what i can do with a broken driver after the backup ? lol
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13:39.57zignigwald0: doorstop
13:41.10mmlj4zignig: ok, that works for ldapsearch... what about ldapadd? surely I want that to be authenticated?
13:41.29wald0ranix, zignig: no errors in dmesg or logs, that's the strange thing (just verified again now)
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13:41.38abhifxzignig, another one?
13:41.56mmlj4anyhow, -x doesn't seen to work with ldapadd :-/
13:42.07ranixwald0: do you have anything chowing your drive? Any processes going on?
13:42.19abrotmaniotop might help
13:42.33abhifxzignig, it says python-numeric, i checked synaptic , it is already installed
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13:43.02wald0ranix, nothing at all, specially since im doing this in live mode
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13:43.44ranixwald0: I don't think I have anything for you to go on. Let me know if you figure it out though
13:43.51ranixwald0: backing up now is a good idea
13:43.54g00seWhat resources does the Lenny installer currently use for device discovery?
13:43.58zignig's head explodes , too many questions
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13:44.19simonrvnzignig: !!
13:44.28ranixg00se: device recovery?
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13:44.35ranixoh, discovery
13:44.35zignigsimonrvn: bleh to you and your house !
13:44.43ranixI failed to read that question
13:44.48wald0ranix, yes, thanks, i think that this is the only thing that i can do right now, but im very curious about what can be hte cause of that slowness on this partition since is fast in other
13:45.00simonrvnzignig: bleh to you and your house also! how are you?
13:45.05wald0is there a way to "defrag" a hard disk even if uses journaling ?
13:45.25zignigsimonrvn: good, friday night , beer in hand.
13:45.37simonrvnhehe
13:45.40ranixwald0: it would take malicious fragmentation, i.e. by hand, to cause a 90% performance decrease
13:45.48zignigsimonrvn: shall we ajourn to -bleh ?
13:45.53g00seranix: DIScovery
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13:46.10abrotmanit would just be the two of you i'd guess :)
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13:52.12sylaris there an option in the installer to make and install on a raid6 mdadm lvm?
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13:54.00allureis there any tool to get the stats about the disk IO each proccess is using?
13:54.16cydorkallure: iotop
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13:54.22allurethank you cydork
13:54.29sergiumihaianyone use gnome-globalmenu ? -)
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14:06.36JyZyXELis there a ncurses wifi manager?
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14:07.51stewJyZyXEL: wicd-curses
14:09.03azeem(W 18
14:09.05azeemoops.
14:09.24JyZyXELhmm im not seeing a package called wicd in lenny
14:09.50stewJyZyXEL: /msg dpkg pdo
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14:10.54JyZyXELyea theres no wicd in stable
14:10.58stewyeah
14:11.26stewthere is wicd for stable though
14:11.41JyZyXELin backports
14:12.00JyZyXELhttp://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny&searchon=names&keywords=wicd
14:12.05JyZyXELin lenny theres not
14:12.10stewright
14:12.31stewin backports
14:12.34stewhttp://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&searchon=names&keywords=wicd
14:12.39JyZyXELi shall get it from there then!
14:14.10stewJyZyXEL: bah, except the version in backports doens't have wicd-curses, so nevermind
14:14.54JyZyXELdamn
14:15.33JyZyXELany other console based wifi managers?
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14:18.53yggdrasilcan somone tell me what debian-500 is ? im trying to dl the iso and well never seen it labeled like that . just looking for a lenny full install ppc iso.
14:19.09abrotmanyggdrasil: 5.0.0
14:19.28yggdrasilahh it was just too much for them to put the . in there huh
14:19.33yggdrasilthanks abrotman
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14:21.14toolzhow do I install unrar, I think I need to modify something in sources.list but I dont remember
14:23.00stdiseasetoolz, add non-free and contrib in addition to  main
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14:23.22stdiseasetoolz, then apt-get update
14:23.36harktoolz: /msg dpkg non-free
14:26.57sylardoes debian installer can operate on mdadm raid partitions?
14:27.08petemcyes
14:27.09stewsylar: yes
14:27.16Lancien<PROTECTED>
14:27.44sylarcan it be used to set it up?
14:27.58stewyes
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14:28.32stewsylar: the options won't show up until you have created RAID partitions though (unless perhaps you do guided partitioning, I don't recall)
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14:28.58sylarstew, you mean with the partition type?
14:29.08stewyes
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14:43.34{g}Hey People! Whats a good way to transfer a folder to another machine? Is `tar -cvvOf folder | nc -lp80` a good idea?
14:44.00petemcwhat defines something being good?
14:44.09petemci use scp or rsync
14:44.13nvzwhat os is being used on the computers?
14:44.45cromagwhat port does debian use for apt-get update and such ?
14:44.51cromagport(s)
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14:45.01petemccromag: 80 if http, 21 for ftp
14:45.08cromagdoh..
14:45.13cromagi dont know why i asked.
14:45.18cromagbut thanks :)
14:45.24petemcnp
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14:46.16fbc-mxis it safe to rename the root account in lenny(no problems)? If so, is there a howto?
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14:46.53nvzif doing somethin unnessicary and stupid is safe to you
14:46.53gravitysimonrvn ajavid Thanks! :-)
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14:47.56fbc-mxnvz, I just want to protect myself from bruteforce attacks.. My password is extremely cryptic anyways. it's been 5 years now without a problem.. but I like to play things safe.
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14:48.44petemcfbc-mx: there are saner ways to prevent brute force login attempts
14:48.48simonrvngravity: :)
14:48.48Titan8990_fbc-mx, 10+ char passwords are VERY difficult to bruteforce
14:48.52Titan8990_fbc-mx, http://lastbit.com/pswcalc.asp
14:49.00\amethystfbc-mx:  you can disable root login via ssh
14:49.08Titan8990_which is why dictionary attacks are more common
14:49.09nvzchanging the name of the root account isnt gonna help. you should not even allow remote root logins and ban anyone who tries with iptables automatically
14:49.13OpenTokixfbc-mx: isnt it better to limit remote access?
14:49.25OpenTokixfbc-mx: since renaming will do exactly nothing against local access
14:49.31\amethystfbc-mx:  or disable root login with a password, so they'd have to guess an RSA key (much harder than guessing a password)
14:49.48fbc-mxOpenTokix, \amethyst , ssh is the only way for me to control my server.
14:49.59OpenTokixAllowRoot without-password in sshd_conf
14:50.05\amethystfbc-mx:  ssh in as an ordinary user then become root with su or sudo
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14:50.15OpenTokixfbc-mx: then you disable or only use without-password in sshd_conf and login with a normal user
14:50.33Titan8990_petemc, you should check out the hardening debian guide
14:50.40petemci should, why?
14:50.50Titan8990_!tell petemc about harden
14:50.57petemcwhy are you telling me?
14:51.08cydorkTitan8990_: you are telling the wrong guy..
14:51.09Titan8990_petemc, because it give some good tips on securing things such as ssh
14:51.12\amethystTitan8990_: fbc-mx was the one with the security question
14:51.21Titan8990_oh, wrong person sorry....
14:51.21fbc-mx!tell fbc-mx about harden
14:52.15Titan8990_hehe i once had someone continue to coach me even AFTER i told them i was the wrong person
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14:59.07pav5088What's the best way to check for the Debian release I'm running?  ie. Lenny or Squeeze?  I'm writing a shell script, and I need to execute some commands which differ depending on the release.
14:59.10Mick27hello, anyone has a quick command to add a second root user on my system ?
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14:59.26simonrvn!version
14:59.26dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
14:59.27Mick27pav5088, cat /etc/issue
14:59.27w0rmh0leI am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg
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14:59.51simonrvn!ops w0rmh0le
14:59.51dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: w0rmh0le
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15:00.25abrotmanw0rmh0le: please go away
15:00.27steww0rmh0le: are you a human?  can you please keep things in here debian related?
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15:01.49pav5088Mick27 : Lenny identifies itself as "5.0", and Squeeze identifies itself as "Squeeze/SId" (at least for the moment)...  will this change to "6.0" on Squeeze release?
15:02.14pav5088Mick27 : I don't want the script to break after Squeeze is released...
15:02.15abrotman5.0.x
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15:02.44abrotmanpav5088: /etc/debian_version should be close enough ?
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15:03.09simonrvnfreenode · CTCP VERSION reply from w0rmh0le: I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg
15:03.21simonrvnstew, abrotman ^^
15:04.40pav5088abrotman, I've just checked the squeeze debian_version file, and it still contains "squeeze/sid"...  I guess I could perhaps add an extra condition in case it changes to "6.0.x" on release...
15:05.18pav5088Lenny's debian_version contains "5.0.2"
15:05.18Mick27pav5088, make it learn both squeeze and 6
15:05.33Mick27<PROTECTED>
15:05.45abrotmanwhat's wrong with the first ?
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15:05.47simonrvn...
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15:06.25pav5088Mick27 : I guess you could add another user and then change the users UID to "0" in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ...  I really have no idea how you'd do it, but that sounds like it might work.
15:06.54abrotmani'm going to guess that having two users with the same UID would be bad?
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15:07.22simonrvnyes. it can get, um, messy.
15:07.23abrotman(having not tried this myself)
15:07.27pav5088abrotman, well, they really aren't different users...  they'd be the same (root) user, but with different ways of accessing this user.
15:07.52pav5088There really can only be one root user.
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15:07.58abrotman!wheel
15:07.58dpkghmm... wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD.  Irrelevant in Debian default configs.  You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password.  See man pam_wheel for details.
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15:08.12simonrvngetent gets confused, for one. first one found gets name.
15:08.41simonrvngets the*
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15:09.43pav5088*shrugs*  it's a hack...  but I thought UID 0 is root...  and that's the only root user you can have.
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15:10.24simonrvnthere's better ways of doing this.
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15:21.22GhostlyD1athajavid: It's not my birthday but Remember 9/11!
15:21.25jellysash creates a second uid 0 user by design.
15:21.42jellyjudd: info sash
15:21.43juddjelly: sash (shells): is optional; Version: 3.7-8; Size: 329.2k; Installed: 700k -- Stand-alone shell
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15:22.35jelly(presumably so one can have a stand-alone account with a shell of /bin/sash that works even if things are rather broken)
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15:22.56Mehrandear friend  i have an question i hope someone come up and help me out as i'm new in debian
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15:23.11kronicI have netcat-openbsd installed, and I'm trying to work out why the same command works in openbsd but with that package :S
15:23.14jellyMehran: shoot
15:23.15Titan8990_!ask
15:23.15dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:23.44Titan8990_kronic, what command?
15:24.00Mehranhow can i transfer folders between 2 Debian Servers trought ssh
15:24.02Mehran?
15:24.14kronicTiffon: netcat/nc
15:24.38jellyMehran: use rsync, or scp -r, or a ssh | tar trick
15:24.41Titan8990_Mehran, scp /foo/bar username@remotemachine:~/foo/bar
15:24.56jellyTitan8990_: that won't transfer a folder
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15:25.55jellyMehran: that's in order of (my personal) preference
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15:26.09jelly!ssh tar
15:26.09dpkgi heard ssh tar is what we use when we don't have rsync.  cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -'
15:26.18Titan8990_jelly, cant believe i have never tried that....
15:26.25Mehrani'm actualy want to transfer from the server which is host the folder and transfer the folders to other server ?
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15:26.42jellyI usually do nc|tar, on a trusted network
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15:26.55Titan8990_Mehran, rsync -av /foo/bar username@remotemachine:/foo/bar
15:26.59Mehranthanks jelly / titan
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15:28.02kronicscp -r
15:28.16simonrvnjelly: yes, but as you're aware, it's when stuff is already borked
15:28.31simonrvnand r comes before s ..
15:28.43simonrvnin C locale anyway...
15:29.00Mehranwhen i get top command it shows me lots of corn command (more than 20) active and server load going to 800 how can i stop the corn service plz?
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15:29.17JPTkillall korn?
15:29.53Titan8990_Mehran, kde specific channel would be best
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15:30.04datouhi,experts. Can I install all the suggeted packages by apt tools,when i use "apt-get install xxx" command?
15:30.08Titan8990_Mehran, for perm removal atleast
15:30.09SlayerXPMehran: what's the corn command?
15:30.18Mehrantitan8990:i'm on debian
15:30.19Titan8990_SlayerXP, kde daemon for checking mail
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15:32.05Mehranhow can i stop all service runing on debian apatche shh mysql bind etc ??? all togheter
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15:32.44SlayerXPMehran: "init 1"
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15:34.47jellySlayerXP: I bet it's a "my php app got pwned" process.
15:34.50kronicTitan8990: execute the command it just hangs, on openbsd it connects
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15:36.26jellydatou: you could combine the output of an aptitude search with an apt-get install or aptitude install
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15:37.16jetscreamerwtf, everything i didn't have installed is now marked new?
15:37.32jetscreamersid
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15:37.46datoujelly:thank you,i will try it
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15:38.23dwonAnyone know of a good RSS reader for managing 500+ feeds?  I used to like akregator, but I seem to have overloaded recent releases of it. :)
15:38.23the-dudejelly: *g*
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15:42.09clearscreendwon: I can't answer the question, but how did you get to that insane amount of feeds? :P
15:42.35dwonclearscreen: "ooh, that looks it could be interesting... *add*"
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15:42.44clearscreenheh ok
15:43.00dwonsome feeds aren't updated very often, but I want to track them
15:43.13dwonother feeds are updated all the time, and I just browse them when I need amusement
15:43.22dwonand then there are the daily comics like xkcd
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15:44.53razhow can i force re-install a package thats already installed?
15:44.59razapt-get install -f ... doesn't work
15:45.02stewraz: aptitude reinstall packagename
15:45.31razthx
15:45.32themillraz: for future reference, that "f" is for "fix" not "force"
15:45.32dwonThe problem isn't so much the lack of RSS readers, but the abundance of them of ones that really don't work with that number of feeds (either they crash, or he UI is unwieldy)
15:45.42razthemill, thx, i'll try to remember :)
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15:46.20stewpodget doesn't have an unwieldy UI (or any ui for that matter)
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15:46.56elli222Hi
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15:47.20elli222Is it possible to upgrade to sid w/o downloading and burning a new CD?
15:47.50Titan8990_if you have to ask you shouldn't be using sid imo\
15:47.52harkyes
15:48.15Kuifje111yeah, probably just run a system upgrade or something.
15:48.32Kuifje111but i'd stick to lenny.
15:49.12elli222i would assume i would edit things in /etc/apt/
15:49.15simonrvnTitan8990_: i think all the regulars think that ;)
15:49.36Titan8990_and for good reason, sid isn't really supported here
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15:49.51Titan8990_so if you need support from the community, don't use sid
15:50.58elli222im guessing the same applies to squeeze aswell...
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15:51.40Titan8990_squeeze is supported much more than sid but still not recommended for new users
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15:52.16razis there a pkg mirror that holds old package versions? i'm looking for the deb of openssh-server 4.3p9
15:52.20Titan8990_they are called testing and unstable because they break
15:52.29razi think a host has been rootkitted and want to compare the binaries
15:52.36stewthat's not why its called unstable
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15:52.54stewraz: yes, but it isn't yet publicly accessible
15:52.56elli222well, squeeze installed without any problems (it was the weekly build)
15:52.57Mehrani cant get to my debian machin it show the login promt ask for user and pass and then stuck on password any idea ?
15:53.04Titan8990_!unstable
15:53.04dpkg[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system!  Ask me about <break>.  Not supported here, in general.  It's also newspeak for not stable.  If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.  apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!)  See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
15:53.07jellyTitan8990_: only stable is recommended for (new) users
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15:53.10razstew, any idea how i could get my hand on that deb?
15:53.16stewraz: which?
15:53.26Titan8990_jelly, i said that, i guess i wasn't clear enough
15:53.30cheetahw26i just installed debian, and my keyboard must have been messed up, because I cant su - to root ..
15:53.33ikonia!paste
15:53.33dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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15:53.42cheetahw26is there anyway to reset the password, or will i have to reinstall again ?
15:53.43ikoniainteresting
15:53.45razstew, openssh-server=4.3p2-9
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15:53.55razstew, i tried many variants of install and reinstall but apt-get does nothing
15:54.05jellyTitan8990_: you said "still not recommended"... this implies they might be one day, which isn't going to happen
15:54.06razstew, so i'd like to just pull the deb from somewhere
15:54.08stewjudd: versions openssh-server
15:54.08juddstew: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-7 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-7
15:54.10\amethyst!i forgot root's password
15:54.11dpkg1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:54.13hanibanacheetahw26: u can
15:54.27stewraz: you specifically need 4.3p2-9 and not 4.3p2-9etch3 ?
15:54.36Mehrani cant get to my debian machin it show the login promt ask for user and pass and then stuck on password any idea plz?
15:54.39razstew, yes. i want to compare the binary from that deb to the binary that is on my host now
15:54.49hanibanaMehran: last time I encountered with this, my / file system was full ;)
15:54.51cheetahw26how rescue disk or something ?
15:54.52razstew, the installed binary is 3M, all other sshd binaries on my other debian hosts are only 400k
15:55.12elli222uh, what would you define a "new user" as?
15:55.17hanibanacheetahw26: what distro? Debian?
15:55.32stewraz: you can check the sums with debsums if you still trust /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums
15:55.34Titan8990_jelly, i meant "still" as in the circumstances, i can see where it was confusing
15:55.37simonrvnreinstall for a password change? O_o
15:55.37cheetahw26yes.
15:55.45stewraz: does the .deb exist in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
15:55.47Mehranhanibana:how can i clean up the hard drive if i have no access to hard ?
15:55.51razstew, checking right now
15:56.08Titan8990_Mehran, details
15:56.36cheetahw26well i just did a basic install only took like 10-15 minutes.. but I would like to know a better way..
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15:58.01Mehrantitan8990:
15:58.02Mehranmy server has been crashd and i cant get to shh or server login anymore i'm connected to server by KVM and it ask me for user and password but after password nothing happen
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15:59.31Kuifje111have you tried a reboot?
15:59.41jellyMehran: are you trying to log in as root or as a normal user?
15:59.59Mehranjelly:root
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16:00.02Kuifje111or try to boot a livecd and chroot into the o.s.
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16:00.30Mehranjelly:also as an user both not let me in and stuck at the password command
16:00.33jellyMehran: in that case, a reboot might help (or make things worse, depends on the failure mode)
16:00.59Kuifje111you could try to edit the GRUB boot record to init=/bin/bash
16:01.00Mehranjelly:did reboot 100s time
16:01.01Mehrannothing
16:01.15Kuifje111try that one, Mehran
16:01.21ikoniahttp://tinyurl.com/poop
16:01.25TDLink info: http://tinyurl.com/poop expands to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&familyid=429163ec-dcdf-47dc-96da-1c12d67327d5
16:01.29ikoniainteresting, the user TD is a bot
16:01.31jellyMehran: then boot from a clean livecd and inspect your system's partitions
16:01.34ikoniajust been removed from other channels
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16:01.57jellypoop.
16:02.08stewTD: can you turn that script off in here, please?
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16:02.34jellyit isn't disturbing anything at this time
16:02.47ikoniajelly: it responds to other triggers
16:03.01SindikatIs there someone, who use unstable branch and has dependency problems with "shared-mime-info" package?
16:03.09stewikonia: what is this poop thing?
16:03.11jellyikonia: well, noone triggered it here so far until you forced its hand
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16:03.29jellystew: it just dereferences any tinyurl it seems
16:03.31ikoniastew: just a test URL - it's a bot reponds to certain commands URL, it was flooding #ubuntu with !paste commands
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16:03.45ikoniait seems to respond to different commands in different channels
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16:03.55stewikonia: can you keep this channel on-topic please?
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16:04.18jellystew: um, he's just alerting you of the bot
16:04.59stewand there are much better ways of doing that
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16:06.01jellystew: we both are making a larger offtopic mess of it than the user.  I'll stop now.
16:06.25ikoniasorry - I had to test it in the channel as it responds different in each channel, apologies
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16:07.19Phasy13how do I copy a file from a local computer to a system connected by ssh?
16:08.23jellyPhasy13: scp. or rsync if it's installed at both ends
16:08.24jamonPhasy13: scp/sftp/rsync
16:08.52PinkTomatoHey, I am having difficulty installing the powerpc version of 5 on an old iMac G3. It hangs on select and install software, F4 terminal is asking if I want to verify unverified packages, using debian UK mirror :).
16:09.02PinkTomatoThanks for any help, btw :)
16:09.47dutchfishwhy isnt kvm 87/88 being from upstream not in sid? it fixes 3 bugs, i am stuck at it. Thanks, for any solutions or inside.
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16:12.26PinkTomatoabrotman, thank you! sorry for the silly question, though I only downloaded the netroot installer yesterday though..
16:13.11hanibanaI have a name in my DNS server that resolves to two IP s for laod balancing. In my clients, I get alternate IP's by ping ing that hostname.  But, with telnet to a port of load-balanced hostname I always go to same IP. what's wrong with it?
16:13.39heloDNS caching?
16:13.48hanibanahelo: no
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16:14.37heloso a DNS request is being sent each time you ping or telnet?
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16:14.52clearscreenwireshark time ;)
16:14.53heloand the telnet request is always answered the same magically?
16:15.10hanibanaI haven't any cache server or DNS cacher (like nscd) in my clients.
16:15.22\amethysthanibana:  ping vs telnet may use two different methods for looking up hostnames
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16:15.42helook, like clearscreen said... use wireshark to verify no caching is occurring... i think you'll find that it is
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16:15.56\amethysthanibana:  e.g. getaddrinfo vs gethostbyname
16:16.08heloif you run telnet twice, and only see one DNS request, then it is caching
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16:16.38hanibanahelo: cached by what?
16:16.41hanibanaok I go to see bind log for request.
16:17.49\amethysthanibana:   what version of libc6 do you have?
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16:18.39helohanibana: no idea :P
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16:19.19\amethysthanibana:  because this sounds like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340514
16:19.28nkuttlermeh, what's with this ext4 bitching about Filesystem with huge files cannot be mounted read-write without CONFIG_LBDAF ? i guess i'll reboot into 2.6.29
16:19.50\amethysthanibana:  which should have been fixed in etch I though
16:21.34hanibanawait guys plz, I'm checking...
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16:33.26lewis2PHP/scripting question, I have a long string of text, which has a "foo: bar" in it amongst lots of garbage. What's the best way to search the string, see if it has a 'foo:' then return 'bar'?
16:33.49JoshHuse perl
16:34.07jellynkuttler: you have >= 2TiB files?
16:34.13simonrvnor ask in #php
16:34.20lewis2I get overflowed
16:34.37lewis2need to register ;)
16:34.56\amethystlewis2:   do a regular expression search for something like   foo:\s+(.*)  then take the first capture
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16:35.22jellymake that .* nongreedy and something other than .
16:35.33lewis2\amethyst: ooh
16:35.34\amethystjelly:  I was thinking up till the first newline, but yeah
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16:36.22\amethystif 'bar' is always a word or integer (alphanumerics and _ only),    foo:\s+(\w+)
16:36.45\amethystif it's a sequence of non-space characters,   foo:\s+(\S+)
16:36.45\amethystetc
16:36.59\amethyst(all there REs are in Perl syntax, which is what PHP uses)
16:37.10hanibana\amethyst: libc: 2.7.18 ; I have lenny.
16:37.10\amethysts/there/these/
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16:37.32hanibanahelo: yes, a DNS request is being sent each time I ping or telnet; I see this in bind log.
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16:39.01nkuttlerjelly: not even 4G
16:39.13lewis2\amethyst: thank you. bar is always a sequence of non-space characters that follow 'foo: '
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16:39.42jellynkuttler: oh.  Did you build the kernel yourself?
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16:39.54\amethysthanibana:  if you do   host myhostname.fqdn.com   multiple times, does it give the answers in the same order each time ?
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16:40.18nkuttlerjelly: earlier today. i'm just looking through the config. but really...
16:40.51hanibana\amethyst : no different order.
16:41.07hanibanahanibana: I had tested this with dig.
16:41.12jellynkuttler: I've converted my laptop to ext4 and used Debian's 2.6.28 to misc -rc to 2.6.31-trunk and it works
16:41.28nkuttlerhm
16:41.43\amethysthanibana:  what about   getent hosts myhost.fqdn.com   multiple times?
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16:42.23hanibana\amethyst: different order again,
16:43.03Mehranhow to clean up all the log file on debian ?
16:43.18nkuttlerMehran: clean up? logrotate?
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16:43.22jellyMehran: what are you really trying to do?
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16:44.02Mehranjelly:finaly i got to my server and found lots of log file with size of 1G and more just want to find all and delet them
16:44.25nkuttlerMehran: find -size
16:44.38jellyMehran: have you looked at the contents to see if there's something that points to the _cause_ of their creation?
16:44.44Titan8990_nkuttler, thats assuming that only log files are > 1gb
16:44.57hanibana\amethyst: is there any info I can get to u? for example  commands on pastebin?
16:45.01Titan8990_Mehran, where are these log files located?
16:45.18nkuttlerTitan8990_: i didn't put a file path, so i don't really assume much
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16:45.31jellyMehran: that is, even if you delete all the log files, what is there to stop them from filling up your system again>?
16:45.49Mehrantitan8990:mostly on apache home/domainname/log/
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16:46.03ranixjust use logrotate Mehran
16:46.25nkuttlerMehran: who did conigure that apache?
16:46.29Mehranjelly:just want to clean up and them thing to resolve the problem later
16:46.57jellyMehran: how will you find out what the problem is?
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16:47.22Mehrannkuttler:server hosting open source projects somthing like sourceforg
16:47.23jelly"I'll look at the logs for the time when it started happening... oh snap"
16:47.38ranixhow about using grep
16:47.41ranixyou know grep?
16:47.50jellyPersonally.
16:47.58pav5088If anyone is interested in managing lots of services via LDAP /w a friendly interface check out GOsa.  Unfortunately it's very difficult to set up, but I've spent the last year (on and off) trying to learn/document it.  Check out the docs and automatic installer here : http://gosa.simnix.info/index.php/GOsa_setup_notes
16:48.03Kuifje111I know grep personally.
16:48.11Kuifje111he's a great guy.
16:48.14xeon-enoufsimonrvn: see linux-ata.org
16:48.34jellypav5088: nothing like shameless selfpromotion to pick up a free software project! :-D
16:48.38xeon-enoufoh crap - notyou simonrvn .. and anyways, was reallate
16:48.43Titan8990_only has 50mb worth of logs on a system that is 6-8mos old and has never had logrotate
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16:49.01ranixTitan8990_: I once had a mud generate 600 gigabytes of logs
16:49.02Kuifje11150mb isnt that much.
16:49.07Kuifje111logs are awesome.
16:49.25nkuttlerwell, there are websites that actually have visitors. or verbose logging. or exploit attempts..
16:49.27jellypav5088: though it looked promising a year back so you might have a user
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16:49.45Titan8990_ranix, lol
16:49.51pav5088jelly : I'm not interested in running a project.  I just want some testers because doing it all myself is exhausting.
16:49.53Titan8990_ranix, im guessing this was in 1994?
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16:50.14xeon-enoufi recall some fool installing DVD software for their DVD drive in WINE, and it flooded the system with useless logging ... naturally,they thought malware , heh
16:50.15ranixTitan8990_: 2001
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16:50.24ranixTitan8990_: the administrator was maaaad at me
16:50.38Titan8990_ranix, mud == multi user dungeon?
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16:50.44xeon-enoufhands pav5088 some sleep and food ;-)
16:50.44nkuttlerranix: because he didn't use quota?
16:50.44ranixya
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16:50.47pav5088jelly : Their docs are terrible...  and it doesn't seem too many people work much with LDAP
16:50.48oxihi
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16:51.10oxihow can I access this repo with svn:// ?: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/libservlet2.4-java
16:51.13pav5088jelly : So the internet has only been marginally helpful.
16:51.28xeon-enoufoxi: remove thewsvn
16:51.28jellypav5088: some just give up and turn to the dark AD side
16:51.31oxiI tried svn://svn.debian.org , but didn't find any repo
16:51.34pav5088xeon-enouf, I could use some ...  it's almost 3am here!
16:51.37Titan8990_oxi, you don't
16:51.52oxixeon-enouf: thanks, I'll give it a try
16:51.56Titan8990_oxi, svn:// is svn hosted via subversion, svn hosted over http is done via apache
16:51.59pav5088jelly, If I knew how hard it would be I would have!
16:52.04Titan8990_oxi, they would need to run a subversion daemon
16:52.09pav5088....but the time is invested now.
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16:52.28Titan8990_oxi, svn co http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/libservlet2.4-java
16:52.41xeon-enoufoxi: svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-java/
16:52.41Titan8990_sorry
16:52.45ranixwhat is AD
16:52.47oxiTitan8990_: sure, ... ok, seems debian isn't running an svn daemon
16:52.47Titan8990_oxi, svn co http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/ trunk
16:53.09Titan8990_oxi, its less common because of security issues
16:53.12pav5088A guy sent me an email the other day saying he had got a server up and running within an hour using my docs (and that included installing Zimbra).
16:53.14oxiTitan8990_ & xeon-enouf: thanks
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16:53.29oxiis anyone here committing to the java stuff in debian?
16:53.34at0mhi, i have some scripts which appear DOS formatted - what would be an easy way to convert them to unix format?
16:53.44oxiI'm thinking of creating an Apache Derby .deb
16:53.48ranixjava can suck my cubicle wall fuzz
16:53.55oxiranix: heh :-)
16:54.09xeon-enoufranix: i think jelly meant ActiveDirectory
16:54.13cockroachat0m: there used to be a tool called dos2unix, i guess it might still be around
16:54.13pav5088...but then I went and messed things up by enabling TLS for LDAP, and my scripts were unworking until not so long ago.
16:54.17ranixaah
16:54.23at0mcockroach: cheers, checkin'
16:54.27xeon-enoufcockroach: it is
16:54.33Titan8990_at0m, no
16:54.41xeon-enoufat0m: you could also use nano, or tr ,etc
16:54.53Kuifje111vi.
16:55.01xeon-enoufat0m: tofrodos
16:55.05Titan8990_bah, use a real text editor, emacs
16:55.09xeon-enoufat0m: is the debian pkgname , IIRC
16:55.13ranixsed s/\r\n/\n/
16:55.25thrasholdWhich of the following I should grant to 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost': ALL PRIVILEGES _or_ RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, LOCK TABLES ?
16:55.30at0mxeon-enouf: just found that, thanks :)
16:55.34xeon-enouftr '\r' '' < filename
16:55.53ranixtr -d '\r'
16:55.54xeon-enoufheh
16:55.54Titan8990_thrashold, you should read the mysql documentation and join #mysql
16:56.02thrasholdTitan8990_: I don't think so
16:56.18Titan8990_alright, have fun
16:56.24thrasholdI don't see how the mysql guys would help me
16:56.25pav5088Anyways...  GOsa is pretty neat.  It supports Samba, Postgres, Cyrus, DNS, DHCP, SOGo (groupware), Kolab, Squid, FAI, OPSI (very interesting piece of software...  automatically deploys windows desktops...  I've had it pushing out windows 7  + apps...  it isn't an imaging solution.  It installs stuff from scratch.
16:56.26lewis2\amethyst: why did you include the + within the round brackets? I am using... "/foo:\s+(\S+)/
16:56.27at0mranix: that'd get the new lines 'dos style' out?
16:56.36lewis2well, ignore the "
16:56.44thrasholdAnd how would they know the Debian requirements
16:56.51Mehranis there any command to check the debian services etc like windows checkdisk ?
16:56.51Titan8990_thrashold, it looks like your assigning mysql privledges to a mysql user in a mysql database
16:57.04ranixat0m: yes. dos2unix and unix2dos do the same thing, they're in the tofrodos package
16:57.08ranixjudd: versions tofrodos
16:57.09juddranix: tofrodos -- etch: 1.7.6-2 lenny: 1.7.8.debian.1-1 sid: 1.7.8.debian.1-1 squeeze: 1.7.8.debian.1-1
16:57.14ranixyeps till around
16:57.39thrasholdTitan8990_: Yes? That's  the user that the Debian utils need to use to run mysql tasks
16:57.48xeon-enoufat0m: man ascii, yes, DOS/Windows uses both \r (CR) and \n (LF), whereas unices use on \n
16:57.55xeon-enoufs/on/only/
16:58.11oxihmm, seems to be wrong, Debian is running an SVN daemon: svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-java/trunk
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16:58.44xeon-enoufoxi: yep, i think Titan8990_ posted coorect way to checkout (co)
16:58.58oxixeon-enouf: ok
16:59.01thrasholdAnd I need that user to be able to complete apt-get upgrade
16:59.09Titan8990_thrashold, which utility?
16:59.29Titan8990_The specific utilities included are: installkernel mkboot run-parts savelog sensible-browser sensible-editor sensible-pager tempfile which.
16:59.34Titan8990_what requires mysql?
16:59.37thrashold/etc/init.d/mysql for example
16:59.55Titan8990_i think you need to step back and explain exactly what your doing
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17:00.17xeon-enoufpav5088: nobody cares about windows, much less any 7 thing
17:00.18ranix!xyproblem
17:00.18dpkgwell, xyproblem is people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place.  See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem
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17:00.27thrasholdTitan8990_: I'm creating the system mysql user that Debian uses to check whether MySQL is OK, stop it gracefully, etc.
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17:00.50abrotmanthrashold: the debian-sys-maint ?
17:00.54thrasholdabrotman: Yes
17:01.02pav5088xeon-enouf, you do if you're paid to...  :(
17:01.04\amethystlewis2:   sorry, missed your question...   if it were  /foo:\s+(\S)+/  it would match the same strings, but the capturing group would only get the last letter
17:01.11Titan8990_pav5088, not true
17:01.18\amethystlewis2:  since the part inside the parentheses is only a single character that way
17:01.19g0rd0nehm... somehow, my user account seems to have a quota, which i dont remember ever putting on... anyway, how can i see what quota i have, and change it? (command line-9
17:01.21thrasholdabrotman: And the question is, should I grant all privileges, or RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, LOCK TABLES is enough
17:01.29Titan8990_pav5088, money isn't everything
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17:02.19ranixxeon-enouf: I care about windows 7
17:02.31pav5088Titan8990, well...  I had to look after labs at a university.  Unfortunately much of the software (was working at the School of Engineering) was windows based.
17:02.33ranixxeon-enouf: I need it to run in xen so I can fing jail it
17:02.42ranixso I can pirate I mean buy video games
17:02.51xeon-enoufpav5088: more money affords one more freedom, so if you're rakin in the dough, choose to be free ;-)
17:02.52\amethystthrashold:   Debian uses all privileges
17:02.55pav5088I don't work there anymore, but I can understand the need to support legacy software.
17:03.12xeon-enoufranix: well... you're a side-case :-P
17:03.21ranixxeon-enouf: more like a headcase amirite
17:03.27abrotmanthrashold: uhm, the installation should have done that for you
17:03.34xeon-enouf!8ball is ranix rite?
17:03.34dpkgSure. Yeah, exactly.
17:03.58thrashold\amethyst: Hmmm, yes. I'm probably overthinking this.
17:04.06Titan8990_where is documentation for this debian-sys-maint?
17:04.21thrasholdabrotman: It did.. Before I restored my databases from before the installation
17:04.29Titan8990_still doesn't undertand what it does or what it adds to a db
17:04.31abrotmanthrashold: okay
17:04.48abrotman!tell thrashold about debian-sys-maint
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17:05.25xeon-enoufpav5088 legacy as in win98? :-P
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17:06.59nsadminyeah, postgresql has a user like that too... surprisingly, they named it postgres...
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17:08.01nsadminI think that if debian-sys-maint is only relevent to mysql, it's misnamed
17:08.44jellyxeon-enouf: legacy is anything that previous IT people left in place
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17:09.12ranixjelly: everything is the fault of the previous administration
17:09.13nsadminbecause it looms large in their legend?
17:09.27thrasholdnsadmin: You can configure postgresql to accept connections only from the UNIX user postgres for the DB user postgres. So Debian can just use that. You need to set a password for MySQL's root :)
17:09.27\amethystnsadmin:  err, this is a mysql user, not a system user
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17:09.52jellyranix: except as IT you're expected to actually fix stuff
17:09.53thrasholdnsadmin: If that's what you mean at all, I don't remember seeing Debian connect to Postgres
17:09.53\amethystnsadmin:  you know   debian-sys-maint  is related to mysql because it's in the mysql user db
17:09.58nsadmin\amethyst: precisely my point :)
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17:10.10ranixjelly: I must not be in IT I guess
17:10.22jelly*envy*
17:10.23nsadminperhaps it shoudl be called mysql or mysql-sys-maint
17:10.32aditsuhi, I use gentoo linux, and got used to install kernels via "make install", which apparently calls a "/sbin/installkernel" script originating from debian; now, the script used to create symlinks such as /boot/vmlinuz automatically, but it doesn't do that anymore, can somebody explain why?
17:10.36ranixI wish I got to fix things
17:10.57g0rd0ni really have a problem here: i have a debian system and run a vserver on it, and in this vserver a user cant write anymore cause he is over quota... but the vserver doesnt even have quota binaries... so how can i check what quota he got and so on??
17:11.03Titan8990_aditsu, imo you should never run make install on a kernel....
17:11.20aditsuTitan8990_: why?
17:11.21Titan8990_aditsu, and it is likely so you don't accidently overwrite your only known working kernel
17:11.32KajHi! I have no sound after the kenel upgrade (2.6.31). How can I define what happened?
17:11.40Titan8990_aditsu, because if you have recompiled a kernel of the same version as existing, make install will overwrite the old one
17:11.47ranixrunning make install is something I *never* would have thought to do after compiling a kernel
17:11.49nsadming0rd0n: one of your first steps is to talk to your provider
17:11.49Titan8990_i borked a slackware install like that once
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17:12.13aditsuTitan8990_: it will also save a copy (vmlinuz.old), but I usually keep a separate copy of a working kernel anyway
17:12.19g0rd0nnsadmin: it's my machine, so i have root access to the host system... but there i cant check the vservers user with edquota
17:12.20thrasholdTitan8990_: It doesn't do that here for me, neither on Debian or Gentoo. It renames the old one to .old, and creates a symlink to that.
17:12.35aditsuTitan8990_: so that's not a problem, but now I miss the convenience of "make install"
17:12.42Titan8990_thrashold, well, after it destroyed one system i never ran it again
17:12.58Titan8990_thrashold, i just manually copy bzImage
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17:13.03Titan8990_i never mess with a initrd
17:13.06abrotmanaditsu: you should probably be using kernel-package
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17:13.24aditsuabrotman: what is that?
17:13.26Titan8990_abrotman, you must have missed that part where he said he was former gentoo user :)
17:13.27nsadming0rd0n oh, so you're your own provider...
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17:13.38Titan8990_aditsu, the binary pre-configured kernel
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17:13.42nsadminthis is not a remote?
17:13.50MehranERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock when i try to take an backup from mysql ??? any hlpplz currently connect to server in single mod user
17:14.00g0rd0nnsadmin: yes it's a remote, so just ssh...
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17:14.06Titan8990_aditsu, equivalent of using genkernel in gentoo
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17:14.11Titan8990_kind of....
17:14.17g0rd0nand i never set any quota to any user...
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17:14.36Titan8990_Mehran, looks like its not running
17:14.37aditsuI always configured and compiled my kernels
17:14.39abrotmanTitan8990_: and what? it doesn't make it any less useful
17:14.44nsadming0rd0n: oh ok, so you might be able to install the stuff yourself... you could look at the remote's /etc/fstab
17:14.52abrotmanTitan8990_: or are you saying that gentoo users don't follow gentoo guidelines ?
17:14.54Titan8990_abrotman, no but some of us like to tinker
17:15.00Mehrantitan8990 ,thanks
17:15.03Titan8990_abrotman, i am saying they like to play
17:15.06abrotmanTitan8990_: how is it that kernel-package stops you from tinkering?
17:15.13nsadminplinker?
17:15.23g0rd0nnsadmin: yeh i did already, i got grpquota,usrquota on /dev/md1
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17:15.56nsadming0rd0n: you don't want the quotas on?
17:16.14Titan8990_abrotman, i just looked at it, i thought it was like genkernel where it attempts to automatically configure
17:16.25Titan8990_but i was wrong i see
17:16.30nsadming0rd0n: also, is that your only data partition?
17:16.46g0rd0nnsadmin: i do, but not for that user... i want to remove its quota limits, or raise them
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17:17.07aditsuTitan8990_: I also found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485278 , it says "These symlinks are not useful if you use grub", I don't understand/agree
17:17.10nsadminoh ok, so you want quotas on in general
17:17.54g0rd0nthey are on on the host machine and working fine, but on the vserver i have this user which cant write anymore, and no idea why and how to solve the problem
17:17.57nsadming0rd0n: also, is that your only data partition?
17:18.08g0rd0nnsadmin: yes, except for md0 which is /boot
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17:18.58Titan8990_aditsu, when grub loads the kernel it treats the /boot partition as /... to work around this there is usually a symlink in /boot that points to itself so /boot/kernel will still go to the right place even when /boot is actually /
17:19.02nsadminyou should consider separating a few things, like: /usr, /home, /var, /tmp in order to help prevent / from filling up
17:19.03JyZyXELwhy doesn't wmii depend on xorg?
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17:19.10xeon-enoufjelly: heh, yep
17:19.23stewJyZyXEL: becuase wmii can connect to a remove x server instead of a local x server
17:19.26abrotmanJyZyXEL: some people would run it remotely
17:19.28nsadminJyZyXEL: that's an x client, is it not?
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17:19.37aditsuTitan8990_: it's not talking about that symlink (boot -> .)
17:19.40JyZyXELif i remove xfce4 it removes xserver too
17:19.48Titan8990_aditsu, now in this case of the kernel booting, the root filesystem means nothing at that point so how can you have a symlink from /usr/src/linux/x86/boot/bzImage if the rootfs does not yet exist
17:19.48JyZyXELthen i can not run wmii anymore
17:20.11Titan8990_unless maybe some initrd magic
17:20.14stewJyZyXEL: xfce4 Recommends xorg
17:20.16aditsuTitan8990_: it's totally not like that
17:20.22JyZyXELyea
17:20.26JyZyXELand wmii doesn't
17:20.30stewright
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17:20.39xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: /msg dpkg unmarkauto (depends how you installed both)
17:20.40JyZyXELnow i cannot remove xfce4 without making wmii unusable
17:20.50Titan8990_aditsu, how isn't it? the kernel bootstraps before it even searches for a rootfs
17:20.52aditsuTitan8990_: the main symlink is /boot/vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.x.y-foo
17:20.57Titan8990_oh
17:20.58stewJyZyXEL: "aptitude remove xfce4 xorg+"
17:21.04xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: right, as stew  mentioned., this Recommends thing is .. er ..nm
17:21.17aditsuTitan8990_: and there are 2 similar symlinks for config and system.map
17:21.20Titan8990_aditsu, i understand now
17:21.35stewJyZyXEL: wmii is usable without xorg installed.  and you can remove xfce4 without removing xorg
17:21.43aditsuit used to create them automatically, but not anymore
17:21.48JyZyXELstew: how can it work without X?
17:21.55aditsunow it will only update them if they exist
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17:22.04xeon-enoufaditsu: i'm not sure of you issue, but you should also have a symlink in / pointing to most recent vmlinux and initrd
17:22.04workPragmatistif a package looks something like 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1
17:22.05stewJyZyXEL: see my reason for why it doesn't depend on x
17:22.12workPragmatistis that a backport I assume?
17:22.17workPragmatistbpo40+1
17:22.20JyZyXELwell ill see after i remove xserver and xfce
17:22.41stewJyZyXEL: you'll need to set the DISPLAY variable to point to a remote X server
17:22.43aditsuxeon-enouf: why in "/"? also I don't use vmlinux nor initrd
17:22.44xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: stew gave you an exact command to remove one, and not X
17:22.53xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: see the '+' ?
17:22.55JyZyXELxeon-enouf: the command didn't work
17:23.03JyZyXELit still removes the xorg
17:23.04stewJyZyXEL: what error did you get?
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17:23.15xeon-enoufaditsu: just because, .. that's the default debian way ;-)
17:23.17stewJyZyXEL: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:23.25xeon-enouflrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    25 2009-08-04 16:15 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-686
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17:23.25JyZyXELwell all the xorg video drivers
17:23.29aditsuxeon-enouf: maybe I would have them if I used debian
17:23.32JyZyXELso its gonna break X now
17:23.39stewJyZyXEL: show us
17:23.44xeon-enoufaditsu: likely has to do with /etc/kernel-img.conf settings and others
17:24.31JyZyXELstew: i can't pipe aptitude to pastebinit
17:24.32JyZyXELit will never return
17:24.33aditsuoh well, I think I'll contact the submitter of that bug, gotta get to the root of the problem :p
17:24.34xeon-enoufaditsu: nice .. maybe you might want to be using debian before asking for help here?
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17:24.57aditsuxeon-enouf: I was asking about a debian script that's being used in my distro
17:25.01stewJyZyXEL: then don't use pastebinit
17:25.12JyZyXELthen i can't show it
17:25.16stewJyZyXEL: why not?
17:25.27JyZyXELcause i don't know any other way
17:25.33xeon-enoufaditsu: consult "your distro"
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17:25.44xeon-enouf!pastebin pipe
17:25.45dpkgDownload http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl.  Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.  You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>).  Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234".
17:25.53stewJyZyXEL: ok, enjoy
17:26.14g0rd0nnsadmin: i cant separate right now, its production... but i will eventually move the host stuff to a second vserver and set quotas on both vservers... but until there, i want to remove the quota from my quotaless user on the quotaless vserver
17:26.35xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: i know you like to complain/whine (and sometimes i do too) .. but we really do try to help you ;-)
17:27.25nsadming0rd0n: when you move it, I'd guess you'd definitely want to partition separately
17:27.36JyZyXELaptitude remove xfce4 ~n.\[*xorg*\|*xserver*\]+
17:27.40JyZyXELmaybe something like that?
17:27.48paxedinstalled debian 5.0.3 cd-rom to a 1Tb SATA disk, used installer's "copy partition data from other partition" thing to copy /home to the new disk, the partition shows only 25Gb when it should be 980 Gb
17:27.52paxedhelp?
17:28.11xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: is xorg even installed properly? it's a metapackage
17:28.24stewpaxed: how are you seeing 25g?  with some command?
17:28.29paxedstew: df
17:28.31JyZyXELyes it is installed
17:28.33nsadminpaxed: 25 gb for /home isn't enough? :)
17:28.36JyZyXELi don't know about properly
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17:28.59xeon-enoufpaxed: you did something wrong?
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17:28.59ruckerzhow do i list all of the files in a deb (without installing it) ?
17:29.07nsadminbtw that happens to be true for me... I have about 30 or 40g
17:29.08xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: so dpkg -l xorg shows  'ii' ?
17:29.09stewpaxed: and does "fdisk -l" show the partition as actually being larger?
17:29.15xeon-enoufruckerz: dpkg -c
17:29.18xeon-enoufman dpkg
17:29.29stewpaxed: sounds like perhaps the filesystem just needs to be resized.  what filesystem is it?  ext3?
17:29.31xeon-enoufruckerz: or dpkg -x to extract somewhere
17:29.34nsadminand/or dpkg --help
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17:29.55JyZyXELyesyes
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17:30.04paxedstew: yes, ext3
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17:30.17xeon-enoufso, xorg+ should suffice, unless you found a bug
17:30.22JyZyXELill just uninstall it with xfce4 and then reinstall it
17:30.24stewpaxed: "resize2fs /dev/whatever" will resize the filesystem to the size of the partition continaing it
17:30.29stewcontaining*
17:30.42paxedstew: ah, thanks, i'll try that!
17:30.48stewJyZyXEL: man apt-mark
17:30.51nsadminisnt' xfce a bunch of x clients?
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17:30.56stewnsadmin: yes
17:31.02JyZyXELare there some cache directorys in debian i can clear out to get more space?
17:31.07stewnsadmin: its a desktop environment
17:31.24nsadminwhy does it have any business depending on a server?
17:31.32stewnsadmin: it doesn't.  it recommends one
17:31.34JyZyXELim desperately trying to get some space for my eeepx
17:31.40nsadminoh ok
17:31.49xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: try localepurge pkg
17:32.09paxednsadmin: yes, 25 Gb would be enough for /home ... if it wasn't hiding the 800+ Gb somewhere :P
17:32.10nsadminso why is the removal forced (well, eavesdropping, it looks that way)
17:32.11g0rd0nlynch:~# edquota ircd
17:32.12g0rd0nNo filesystems with quota detected.
17:32.20g0rd0nthis is starting to look like a filesystem problem to me
17:32.28JyZyXELbut i only have en_us
17:32.41stewnsadmin: its not forced.  its removing an auto installed package when nothing else recommends/depends on it
17:32.46xeon-enoufand you can clear out old logs in /var if really needed and .. see debfoster/deborphan and apt-get auto{clean,remove} .. lastly /usr/share/doc/*
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17:33.06xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: you won;t without localepurge installed
17:33.08stewnsadmin: he'd just have to mark it as manual to keep it, or explicitly install it
17:33.08xeon-enoufIINM
17:33.34JyZyXELi see
17:33.40SQlvpapiranyone here with gnome in squeeze with working bluetooth?
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17:33.50JyZyXELhow about some apt cache archive thingie?
17:34.10JyZyXELor those are needed?
17:34.35xeon-enoufnsadmin: apt-get automagically marks things as autoinstalled when installing, not sure hw aptitude does it, but aptitude uses unmarkauto, and apt uses apt-mark to unmarkuto, IINM
17:34.46arcskyyo, im trying to install debian from usb flash with the program unetbootin. Does it only work with netinstall ?
17:34.52JyZyXELoh nice localepurge got me another 100M :]
17:35.07xeon-enoufnsadmin: s#aptitude uses unmarkauto#aptitude uses /msg dpkg unmarkauto
17:35.11xeon-enoufinfo
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17:35.16stewxeon-enouf: aptitude does the same when installing, but includes a "autoremove" with either a install or remove operation
17:35.17JyZyXELthats alot for a 1.4G system partition
17:35.53ranixI am trying to record a cd with cdrecord, and am getting an error "wodim: OPC failed". Google is no help. what is this?
17:35.55xeon-enoufJyZyXEL: apt-cache archive 'thing' is handled how i mentioned
17:35.58xeon-enoufstew: thanks
17:36.16xeon-enoufruckerz: wodim , not cdrecord
17:36.19nsadminhmm. so the recommends system isn't working so well in this case
17:36.21xeon-enoufer ranix:
17:36.32xeon-enoufruckerz: OPC == Optimum Power Calibration
17:36.38xeon-enoufcrap - ranix!
17:36.43ranixlol thanks xeon-enouf
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17:36.54ranixhow should I get around this?
17:37.00xeon-enoufruckerz: might be a drive/hardware issue - or your blank sucks
17:37.04xeon-enoufshit!
17:37.07xeon-enoufranix:
17:37.12ranixlolz
17:37.12xeon-enoufranix:
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17:37.34xeon-enoufranix: install wodim; wodim -prcap -atip dev=/dev/name
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17:37.38nsadminrhit!
17:38.02xeon-enoufranix: wodim filename or whatever .. there are quite a few options .,. is it an ISO?
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17:38.25ranixxeon-enouf: yeah I created it with cdw
17:38.28jellyranix: I'm curious, does it work if you run it as root?
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17:38.34ranixjelly: nope
17:38.39xeon-enoufranix: ilike wodim --help 2>&1 | less (then use search within less ;-))
17:39.01xeon-enoufranix: groups shows user as part of cdrom audio plugdev groups
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17:39.40Lancienis away: Occupé
17:39.41xeon-enoufranix: deos dmesg | grep ATAPI show your drive ?> how about cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info ?
17:39.47abrotman!tell Lancien about away
17:40.03ranixah it works if I specify the writing speed
17:40.06ranixthanks guys
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17:40.06todorkostovhi all can you help me with the wlan with toshiba portege 3500 when i post lspci i can't see the controller and I'm not sure which drivers should i install
17:40.09ranixweird
17:40.19xeon-enoufranix: speed= ?
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17:40.36ranixxeon-enouf: I used 1 for troubleshooting
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17:40.39xeon-enoufranix: try -dao and driveropts=burnfree try that too
17:40.48xeon-enoufranix: i see
17:40.52ranixxeon-enouf: this could be a marginally (or not so marginally) bad drive. It came from a retard
17:41.00ranixI mean an I.T. guy
17:41.08ranixsame diff
17:41.21xeon-enoufhaha .. if 'eject { -t}' commands work properly, all is well ;-)
17:42.28todorkostovon google i found that it's using Built-in IEEE 802.11b WIFI Mini PCI Wireless Card
17:42.37todorkostovbut i can't get it working
17:43.02Vasisthatodorkostov: have you looked on linux-laptops.net?
17:43.30todorkostovserious i have no idea what is that
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17:43.39abrotmanif it's miniPCI, should show up in lspci
17:43.46ranixtodorkostov: how about you read it and take a wild guess
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17:43.56Vasisthatodorkostov: oops, that should be linux-laptop.net -- it's a web site, go there
17:44.19abrotmantodorkostov: can you put the output of lspci -nn in a pastebin ?
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17:46.54HoneymanHi all. Can anyone remind me, what tool can I use to scan all the files from all the installed .deb-packages, to check the file checksums and compare them to the checksums in the .deb-files?
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17:47.28HoneymanLike, to ensure that no dpkg-controlled files were forcibly substitude. Like, to check for trojans.
17:47.30xeon-enoufHoneyman: debtags
17:47.41xeon-enoufer debsuns
17:47.46xeon-enoufer debsums!
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17:48.00todorkostovhere it is http://pastebin.com/d5cc9c48e
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17:48.13xeon-enouf!blame ranix for all my mistabs and tpytos
17:48.13dpkgblames M0ffe and ranix for all my mistabs and tpytos for the end of the Internet as we know it
17:48.23arcskyanyone know a guide about to install debian from an usb drive ?
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17:48.29xeon-enoufguide?
17:48.31xeon-enouf!i-g
17:48.31dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
17:48.37xeon-enouf!usb install
17:48.37dpkgYes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 .  To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>.  (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/)
17:48.38linduxedi just installed the 2.6.31 kernel and after reboot it gets all the way up to GDM, but it stops with a black screen right before loading it. Currently back at 2.6.30
17:48.56g0rd0nnice
17:49.14arcskyxeon-enouf: yes i dont get it to work
17:49.20xeon-enouflinduxed: .31 has some kernel intel-gfx fixes for sure - and other things - whose kernel?
17:49.26arcskyit doesnt finds the cd i want it to search for usb :p
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17:49.45xeon-enoufarcsky: i hear that allthe time - no idea, never tried installing that way
17:49.52sigmonsayscan I tell debian to search remote repos for a certain file pattern?
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17:50.06xeon-enoufbut if i did, i'd certainly figure WTF is going on
17:50.15xeon-enoufsigmonsays: what?
17:50.18linduxedxeon-enouf: the official linux one
17:50.25arcskycd/dvd is dead
17:50.29xeon-enouflinduxed: um ....
17:50.39sigmonsaysxeon-enouf, i want to know what package provides a file. I don't have the package installed obviously
17:50.51linduxedxeon-enouf: by the way, do you think it could be related to the fact that i've got an nvidia card?
17:50.52xeon-enouflinduxed: get a grip - there's kernel.org and there's debian kernels
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17:51.04xeon-enoufsigmonsays: /msg dpkg apt-file
17:51.07linduxedxeon-enouf: oh then the kernel.org one
17:51.17sigmonsaysty
17:51.28xeon-enouflinduxed: yep - you MUST recompile nvidia for each kernel $VERSION
17:52.06linduxedxeon-enouf: hmm, could be troublesome if you cant get into the system :-P
17:52.29linduxedxeon-enouf: well, ill just boot into a lower runlevel
17:52.42xeon-enouflinduxed: just edit xorg.conf and comment out driver "nvidia" .. not sure if that's enough, might need to comment out some GLX X module lines and replace "Driver" "nvidia" with "nv" or "vesa"
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17:53.04xeon-enouflinduxed: boot single, no X, or boot livecd and chroot
17:53.13linduxedxeon-enouf: strange though... last time i did an install from kernel.org (.30) i didnt have this issue
17:53.13xeon-enouf!nodm
17:53.14dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default.  Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim".  "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.  NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
17:53.22Honeymanxeon-enouf: thanks, that should be it!
17:53.26xeon-enouflinduxed: shit happens
17:53.47linduxedxeon-enouf: true
17:53.55abrotmantodorkostov: please talk in the channel
17:54.28abrotmantodorkostov: if i had to guess, that machine is too old for miniPCI
17:54.29todorkostovany idea about this ? and in linux-laptop there is only gentoo tutorial, which is not existend
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17:55.09todorkostovthat was the only info about the wifi adapter i could get from google
17:55.18abrotmantodorkostov: how did you find out it had a wifi adapter at all ?
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17:55.40xeon-enouftodorkostov: what's the issue? this? 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82551QM Ethernet Controller [8086:1059] (rev 10)
17:56.08abrotmanthat's not wifi
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17:56.39xeon-enoufi know
17:57.02xeon-enouftodorkostov: nothing about qwifi inyour paste, nor iee1394
17:57.02abrotmando you ever pay attention?
17:57.20xeon-enoufnot to you ..when you act like an asshat ;-)
17:57.42abrotmando we need to have another conversation about name calling?
17:57.48xeon-enoufabrotman: sweety .. i'vebeen busy .. scroll up
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17:57.58xeon-enoufisaid 'act'
17:58.04abrotmanyeah .. helpful as usual .. or something
17:58.28xeon-enoufi even scrolled up to find todorkostov 's initial post., ,and paste
17:58.33xeon-enoufwhat have you done?
17:58.47abrotmanquantity does not equal quality
17:59.12xeon-enoufabrotman: grep 'xeon-enouf thanks' :-P
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17:59.34justinxeon-enouf: grep: :-P: No such file or directory
17:59.39xeon-enoufhaha
17:59.55todorkostovexactly I could not find any info about the wifi adapter in lspci output and in google i can not gather info about the controller...  it is strange... and the thing was working with some XP but there is no more XP...
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18:00.23abrotmantodorkostov: did you try lspcmcia or lsusb ?
18:00.30pinholecamerahey folks, how goes it
18:00.48xeon-enouftodorkostov: "< todorkostov> on google i found that it's using Built-in IEEE 802.11b WIFI Mini PCI Wireless Card"  <-- what exactly are you referring to? what is "it's using" ?
18:01.11xeon-enouftodorkostov: you have no IEEE1394 hardware AFAICT
18:01.19abrotmanit's also possible that the card is broken
18:01.41xeon-enoufabrotman: but there would show a ieee1394 bridge in lspci output
18:01.43todorkostovas I said it was working before the installation
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18:02.24xeon-enoufabrotman: i have ieee1394 stuff here, with NO devices ; 04:0c.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link)
18:02.38xeon-enoufs/bridge/controller/
18:02.40abrotmantodorkostov: if you type 'iwconfig' .. do you get any useful output ?
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18:02.44clearscreenfind ./ -name *.html -exec cat {} \; | grep -i xeon-enouf | grep -i thanks > ~/thanks.html
18:02.55clearscreen:P
18:02.56xeon-enoufclearscreen: heh
18:02.59todorkostovno
18:03.09abrotmantodorkostov: just no supported devices ?
18:03.14todorkostovno wireless connections at eth1 and l0
18:03.30abrotmantodorkostov: no wireless extensions you mean ?
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18:03.38todorkostovyes
18:03.53Vasisthatodorkostov: here's a hint. I just looked at tuxmobil.org as recommended in the laptop faq. The closest thing I could find is freebsd, but why not take a look? Within that freebsd page is a link to a dmesg output, which lists a Lucent Embedded WaveLAN/IEEE wireless card -- that is important info! So you never know what you can find by looking at seemingly unrelated things
18:03.55xeon-enouftodorkostov: is your CardBusslot what your attempting to utilize?
18:04.03xeon-enoufer CardBus Slot
18:04.13abrotmanhttp://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg643574.html ... seems to be the same machine
18:04.54Vasisthatodorkostov: try "dmesg | less" and look for a wireless card. You can use '/' to search. Look for Lucent.
18:05.21xeon-enoufgrep -i lucent /var/log/dmesg then
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18:05.35xeon-enoufIF it was already inserted at boot time
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18:05.51xeon-enoufotherwise, use dmesg (live kernel ring buffer)
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18:06.49TheSinjust curious if anyone on squeeze has got xen 3.4 and grub2 booting at all?
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18:07.23todorkostovwith grep no result in return
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18:07.50todorkostovwhen tried to search with /  it says no such pattern
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18:08.31xeon-enouftodorkostov: IINM, you have no IEEE1394 controller, nor device
18:08.50xeon-enouftodorkostov: if lshw doesn't find your device, it's dead
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18:09.23xeon-enouftodorkostov: tell us how it's connected? Are you presuming you have a built wifi card?
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18:10.05xeon-enouftodorkostov: please be elusive .. we love games
18:10.22Vasisthatodorkostov: okay, so maybe you don't have a lucent card. Have you looked through the dmesg output for any.... aww, screw it. Why don't you just pastebin your dmesg output?
18:10.58todorkostovok just a second
18:11.05todorkostovand the card is builtin
18:11.13xeon-enoufnoit isn't
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18:11.29xeon-enoufyour information is presumptious and incorrect
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18:11.48xeon-enoufyou have no wifi card
18:12.09abrotmanor it's not PCI ?
18:12.13xeon-enoufit's possible you mean something USB related
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18:12.52xeon-enoufabrotman: why would you entertain any/all miniPCI and IEEE1394 queries after looking at pastebin?
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18:14.51todorkostovhttp://pastebin.com/d13d242de
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18:15.37abrotmanxeon-enouf: i don't know every piece of hardware ... it could be masquerading as something
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18:16.04mactimesHas anyone faced issues with samba after upgrading from Etch to Lenny?
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18:16.28abrotmansuch as?
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18:16.38xeon-enouf[   12.456125] pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
18:17.13xeon-enoufis whatever PCCard related  shitis inserted ..and you still haven't answered that
18:17.25v4nelleanybody with tha same problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538086
18:17.27xeon-enoufnot to mention, you're probably on windows
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18:18.13xeon-enoufabrotman: kernel probing (of hardware) is seldom incorrect
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18:19.52mactimesabrotman: Such as sharinngs not connecting because Samba groups are not mapping correctly to the Unix groups.
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18:21.35xeon-enoufmactimes: portmap issues?
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18:21.58xeon-enoufmactimes: is smbmount/cifs stuffsinstalled?
18:22.32TrueDDHi all
18:22.32mactimesxeon-enouf: Only a few groups are facing problems.
18:22.33xeon-enoufmactimes: areyou possibly using older -o smbfs to mount ratherthan -o cifs ?
18:22.44xeon-enoufTrueDD: !! :-p
18:22.52xeon-enoufTrueDD: it'
18:22.59TrueDDxeon-enouf !! :)
18:23.15xeon-enoufTrueDD: it'd be nice if say something other than 'hi' and 'goodnight' :-P
18:23.27mactimesxeon-enouf: This server is a domain controller for a Windows domain.
18:23.37xeon-enoufso, why ask here?
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18:24.10xeon-enoufi mean,if it's running Debian, ok. but what you mentioned has nothing to do with what i mentioned
18:24.35mactimesxeon-enouf: Because it's a Debian server, which was working perfectly and the problem started after upgrading from Etch to Lenny.  If you don't intend to help, why do you bother questioning?
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18:24.54xeon-enoufmactimes: if the windows systems are y2k or newer, then cifs should be used
18:25.10xeon-enoufmactimes: only win9x/ME need/use smbfs
18:25.26xeon-enoufmactimes: what?
18:25.55mactimesxeon-enouf: But it was working perfetcly on Etch, that's what I'm saying.
18:26.05mactimesxeon-enouf: With XP workstations.
18:26.11xeon-enoufmactimes: what are "unix groups" ? i don't know mac at all ..
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18:26.22xeon-enoufmactimes: obviously, something changed
18:26.30TrueDDxeon-enouf, that's right, sorry
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18:26.47xeon-enoufhave you looked / followed what /msg dpkg etch->lenny tells ?
18:27.01mactimesxeon-enouf: Obvioulsy.  If it hadn't changed I wouldn't be here questioning about problems on samba after upgrading from etch to lenny.
18:27.16xeon-enoufmactimes: stop being redundant. it
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18:27.27xeon-enoufmactimes: stop being redundant. it's a waste of our and your time
18:27.46xeon-enoufoffer more relevant info
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18:28.17elli222Hi, i cant seem to find the framebuffer device, /dev/fb0 dosent exist, fb1, etc...
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18:28.29xeon-enoufelli222: why is thatan issue?
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18:28.50xeon-enoufcrw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 2009-08-10 23:04 /dev/fb0
18:28.54mactimesxeon-enouf: Me?  You are wasting our time asking non-sense questions and making non-sense points of view.  I just asked if there was any known issue with samba after upgrading from etch to lenny.  Scroll back and you'll see the fuss and mess you made.
18:28.55xeon-enoufi have one ;-)
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18:29.25elli222xeon-enouf: i want to use some SDL stuff and a Framebuffer font in the console
18:29.30xeon-enoufmactimes: you're now getting tossed into my bozo box.. have fun smelling the huge clown feet - congrats
18:29.50xeon-enoufelli222: which debian release?
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18:30.03elli222xeon-enouf: Squeeze
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18:30.11mactimesxeon-enouf: Thank you.  Feel free to lock that box.
18:30.12xeon-enoufelli222: add a vga=xxx line to your kernel line in menu.lst
18:30.27xeon-enoufelli222: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
18:30.40elli222xeon-enouf:...
18:30.54xeon-enoufelli222: ???
18:31.16elli222xeon-enouf:oh, sorry, i see now :P
18:31.25xeon-enoufelli222: isn't SDL only X related? i don't know
18:31.45EzepNopes, try zsnes :)
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18:33.56v4nelleguys how can i creat a user,who will be on default groups?
18:34.00elli222xeon-enouf: plain SDL works on a FB
18:34.25stewv4nelle: what do you mean by "default groups"?
18:34.31xeon-enoufelli222: plain? as opposed to?
18:34.59elli222xeon-enouf: SDL with OpenGL
18:35.12v4nellestew: the groups which the debian installer,add on users....
18:35.25xeon-enoufv4nelle: usually useradd -a -G <othergroups> suffices, otherwise, see /etc/default/useradd or man adduser
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18:35.49xeon-enoufelli222: OpenGL in console?
18:35.55elli222xeon-enouf: you can try it by starting somthing like freedroid, it works in a framebuffer console aswell as X
18:36.12elli222xeon-enouf: Not OpenGl
18:36.25xeon-enoufelli222: just do whati suggested if you want/need a /dev/fb*
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18:37.00xeon-enoufelli222: see /Documentation/fb/* for video device specifics
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18:57.54unixSnobi'm running debian etch (amd64), and need to run a 32 bit app.  I'm thinking the way to go is debian or ubuntu in a virtualbox, w/ i386 kernel.
18:58.08unixSnobWhat's the leanest way to do that?  netinst?
18:58.15BlueChipyou can install IA32
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18:58.36BlueChipit's a package that sets up a chrooted environment for running 32bit apps
18:58.42unixSnobthanks BlueChip.. I'll check it out
18:58.58ajavidHELLO
18:59.02ajavidoops
18:59.06BlueChiplol
18:59.08ajavidGood afternon
18:59.13BlueChipworking in hex?
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18:59.20ajavidno i had accidently a caps on lcok
18:59.30Lancien<PROTECTED>
18:59.33ajavidno I'm working on trac
18:59.43BlueChipI do that all the time when I'm hex editing
18:59.45ajavidI installed and setup and didn't even realize it 4 revisions behind of upstream
19:00.00ajavidso now I have backported the sid package, after having checked the bugs on the package
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19:00.09ajavidnow I'm trying to setup a new trac latest version
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19:00.17ajavidwhat are you doing buddy?
19:00.41ajavidthat reminds me... I should try to fix that bug in xlockmore
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19:01.26ajavidbut not now. I will later when I get my work done :) BlueChip ia32 does not setup a 32bit chroot
19:01.50ajavidBlueChip, you are incorrect sir.  ia32 provides the libraries that 32bit software requests seamlessly
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19:02.17ajavidBlueChip, ia32 is actually going away in favor of multiarch, totally seamless multiarch installation of packages
19:02.43ajavidBlueChip, you can however setup a full blown chroot, but that won't be using ia32-libs
19:02.55ajavidwell kinda
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19:03.33ajavidunixSnob, I actually run a 32bit sid chroot where I do all my new apps
19:03.50datenritterdowngrades to amarok 1.4...
19:03.59ajavidunixSnob, or 32bit apps.  You can /msg dpkg amd64 and look for the amd64 howto link, it describes the installation insturctions for a 32bit chroot
19:05.01ajavidunixSnob, I am currently writing on how to do this in lenny, with kde3 and 4 simlutaneously, and how to use schroot/scripting to integrate seamlessly the sid isntalled apps into your host (non chroot) system of lenny on atirjavid.com this weekend, I was gonna do it before.  I actually run vmwre in sid
19:05.06ajavidvmware*
19:05.26xeon-enouf!ajavid++
19:05.42datenritteruh, could it be that amarok2 needs a running mysql-server? :(
19:05.51ajaviddatenritter, it could use sqlite
19:05.57xeon-enoufleave the vwcrap nonsense separate though
19:05.59ajaviddatenritter, by default I think it uses sqlite
19:06.20ajaviddatenritter, I hate amarok2, my favorite is 1.4 from stable
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19:09.12unixSnobajavid: as I understand it, the chroot method requires a full i386 library, and the IA32 method is somehow leaner, just emulating 32bit libraries on demand.. is that right?
19:09.37unixSnobi worked hard to get this amd64 etch running well, so I'm afraid of tampering with it... i might go for the isolation of using a virtual box for 32bit debian, and paying the price in disk space and performance
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19:10.36xeon-enoufunixSnob: see https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html though might be outdated
19:11.00xeon-enoufbut you're on etch, so... applicable, AFAICT
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19:16.18wildc4rd_evening all
19:17.42VasisthaI very frequently have trouble connecting to dhcp servers. Might I have better luck with udhcpc or dhcpcd? Any other considerations?
19:18.08datenritterVasistha: i don't think that's a client problem
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19:18.39unixSnobthanks xeon-enouf
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19:18.54Vasisthadatenritter: how can you come to that conclusion with so little info? :)
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19:20.09BlueChipdhcp is a pretty fixed system ...it is incredibly unlikely that any given client would fail
19:20.49ranixconnecting to dhcp servers?
19:20.55ranixyou don't really connect to a dhcp server
19:21.02ranixit's handled by broadcast packets
19:21.11BlueChipindeed
19:22.07BlueChipmaybe the next question is "what is or isn't your client doing that it shouldn't or should?" ...Ie. "HOw do you know it is not working?"
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19:22.18Vasisthawell, the behavior I observe is that it will often go through several DHCPDISCOVER commands before receiving an offer; if I do a static ip connection then it's no problem. But why should it go through so many dhcpdiscover commands? It takes a long time, and other computers connect on the first discover. Could it be that my dhcp client is for some reason rejecting offers, or sending out strange requests?
19:22.34BlueChiptouché
19:23.04ranixI have a machine that consistantly performs several discovers
19:23.05Vasisthaotoh maybe madwifi is buggy :P
19:23.28BlueChiplol
19:23.36BlueChip(lol @"maybe")
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19:24.02Vasisthayeah... I kinda figured. I suppose I shoulda prefixed my question with "I am using madwifi"
19:24.30Vasisthastill ... well, heck, I guess it doesn't hurt to just try. But I did ask my question for a reason: any considerations when trying other dhcp clients?
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19:25.05Vasistharanix: do you ever have trouble connecting at all? e.g. sometimes when I'm out and about, I struggle and simply cannot connect no matter how long I wait or how many attempts I make
19:26.44ranixVasistha: is madwifi the new ndiswrapper or something
19:26.45ajavidunixSnob, ia32 does not 'emulate' 32bit
19:26.49ranixI'm unfamiliar with it
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19:27.04BlueChipajavid: bad choice of word
19:27.06Vasistharanix: no. it's a driver for atheros chips.
19:27.14ajavidBlueChip, please prove me wrong.
19:27.17ajavidthanks.
19:27.19inckieanyway knows if apache 2.0.53 from http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/03/13/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/ kan be installed on Lenny?
19:27.19ranixaah
19:27.24ranixVasistha: ditch your atheros
19:27.31BlueChipajavid: I can't ...I chose badly when I picked the word "emulate"
19:27.38Vasistharanix: it's a laptop, thus not so easy
19:27.44datenritter(21:23:05) Vasistha: otoh maybe madwifi is buggy :P <-- do you use wpa?
19:27.45ajavidBlueChip, I have no idea why you said what you said.
19:27.47inckiekan = can*
19:27.54Vasisthadatenritter: never tried
19:28.01ranixVasistha: occasionally wrong - many laptops use minipci for their wireless
19:28.11ranixpersonally I use pcmcia
19:28.12datenritterVasistha: wpa_supplicant und dhclient might interfere
19:28.14ajavidBlueChip, if I give misinformation, please correct me with cited examples and the correct information.
19:28.16ranixor usb
19:28.23ajavidThanks.
19:28.28datenritterVasistha: it's important to have a stable layer 2 link before dhcp'ing
19:28.42Vasisthadatenritter: interfere with... each other? or with a different dhcp client?
19:28.49BlueChipajavid: Dude, for the third time, you are not wrong, I am, I said "emulate" and that was a bad choice of word
19:28.56datenritterVasistha: with each other
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19:29.13Vasisthadatenritter: well that's useful info. how do I detect a stable layer 2 link?
19:29.13ajavidBlueChip, dude... don't speak in riddles! this is irc... be as verbose as possible so there are not any hidden meaning left!
19:29.16ajavid:)
19:29.23datenritterVasistha: i remember times when i had to kill dhclients before running wpa_supp again, otherwise it wouldn't work
19:30.01ajavidBlueChip, I wasn't being defensive, I as sincere. If I happen to give misinformation or incorrect information, please correct me.
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19:30.06ajavidit was a general statement :)
19:30.18datenritterVasistha: i can't explain.... you have to have your wlan-card associated with the AP
19:30.20ajavidits all good man, relax! go do it, if you wanna go do it! relax! go do it!
19:30.21ajavid:)
19:30.25datenritterVasistha: iwconfig will tell you
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19:31.13ajavidno no, relax go do it, if you wanna go 'throough' it.. ahh yea thas what it was
19:31.45BlueChipajavid: I think I said earlier "IA32 emualtes 32bit" ...but I've lost my history, so I can't be sure :/  ...If I said "emulate" I am sorry, because it is NOT an "emulator" ...So I am saying "you are right, IA32 is NOT an 'emulator'" :)
19:32.23ajavidBlueChip, you're wrong! you're totally wrong! you're just... WRYOOOONG! :)
19:32.24ajavidj/k
19:32.31BlueChipLOL :p
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19:33.17BlueChipDoes anyone know what the heck is wrng here - I've googled til my eyes bled http://pastie.org/613963
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19:34.03ajavidhmm
19:34.11ajavidcheck the armel bts on that package
19:34.12xeon-enoufBlueChip: we need to wait till your hands bleed
19:34.19BlueChipLOL
19:34.31xeon-enoufbleeding eyes doesn
19:35.01ajavidalso look at the list changens and list bugs
19:35.01xeon-enouft quite cut it
19:35.01Vasistha_datenritter: thanks! that's wonderful.
19:35.01ajavidI don't have an arm cpu do i can't helpyou
19:35.01ajavid!armel
19:35.02dpkg[armel] the Debian <ARM> EABI port: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort .  It was released with <lenny>.
19:35.06ajavid#debian-arm or #debian-armel on irc.debian.org
19:35.19ajavid!arm
19:35.19dpkgmethinks arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.  Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>.  The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable.
19:35.19themillBlueChip: perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and choose a different front end or use "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline aptitutde -f install"
19:35.21Vasistha_now if only I could figure out how to switch seamlessly between wired and wireless connections :P
19:35.23abrotmanBlueChip: dpkg-reconfigure debconf ...
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19:35.41ajavidthats a debconf isue?
19:35.48ajavidhow do you know
19:35.52BlueChipdamn - door - sorry, have to run :( ...will follow above advice  ...sorry to be so (apparently) rude ...thanks for the advice though
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19:36.29xeon-enoufVasistha_: allow-hotplug in interfaces?
19:36.31ajavidthemill, abrotman how do you know its a debconf thingy
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19:36.41ajavidthemill, I didn't realize that. I'd love to learn
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19:37.04abrotmanajavid: it's seemingly saying that the debconf information is wrong or a setting is wrong .. so trying to reconfigure the package may set it back to a sane value
19:37.16ajavidI see
19:37.26themillajavid: it's a guess.... all the error messages about Debconf being unhappy about the screen, so trying to get it to use something line readline rather than the curses interface might help
19:37.44ajavidthemill, ahhh
19:37.49ajavidthemill, i see your logic now
19:37.54xeon-enoufs/line/like/
19:37.59themillyeah, that too
19:38.08ajavidabrotman, thanks
19:38.13themill!typosmite me
19:38.13dpkgmakes themill raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
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19:39.32ajavidooh
19:39.39ajavidi mean.
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19:40.19Vasisthaany factoids on switching seamlessly between wired/wireless? irc keeps disconnecting :P
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19:41.42clearscreenVasistha: works for me: ifdown interface_i_dont_want_to_use :P
19:42.00xeon-enoufVasistha: why not bond them?
19:42.12Vasisthaxeon-enouf: how?
19:42.21xeon-enouf!bond
19:42.26xeon-enoufheh
19:42.29Vasistha!bind
19:42.29dpkgmethinks bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server.  To install: aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc   See also <bind9 lenny>, <bind9 chroot>, <bind9 etch>.  https://www.isc.org/software/bind  #bind
19:42.36xeon-enoufno
19:42.36Vasisthauhm, that's not it.
19:42.49Vasistha!superglue
19:42.50xeon-enouf!listkeus bond
19:42.55xeon-enouf!listkeys bond
19:42.55ajavidseriously
19:42.57dpkgFactoid search of 'bond' by key (6): bondage ;; epox winbond sensor ;; _default bonding ;; #debian bondage ;; _default bondage ;; bonding.
19:42.58ajavidyou know whats faster
19:43.03ajavid!dpkg.web.search
19:43.03dpkgPick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>.  Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
19:43.06ajavidMUCH faster.
19:43.08ajavidtry it.
19:43.09xeon-enouf!bonding
19:43.10dpkgit has been said that bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover.  For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding .  See also Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the Linux kernel source.  Older information at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350
19:43.22ajavid(I mean for listvals/listkeys)
19:43.28Vasisthaohh, there we go, nice.
19:43.34ajavidI have a tab open 24/7
19:43.39ajavidirc dpkg is slow
19:43.47ajaviddpkg you are too slow
19:43.47dpkgI resemble that remark!
19:43.52ajavidyes you do! :)
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19:44.41YeretikI'm trying to install the Sphinx search engine and it requires the mysql-devel package
19:44.44abrotmanyou know what's better .. doing it in msg
19:44.58ajavidabrotman, yes but it is still slow
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19:45.02YeretikBut in the debian repository (squeeze) it doesn't exists
19:45.07YeretikAny suggestion ?
19:45.08ajavidabrotman, channel spam aside you're right, but I mean the speed thing
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19:45.32ajavidabrotman, the web interface is defnitley much easier to use (especially with the results it returns)
19:45.32abrotmanYeretik: squeeze is in the middle of the mysql5.1 transition
19:45.57ajavidjudd versions mysql-server
19:45.57juddajavid: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 sid: 5.1.37-2 squeeze: 5.1.37-2
19:46.01YeretikWhat version you recommend me ? Lenny or sid ?
19:46.06ajavidLenny
19:46.18ajavid100% without a doubt, Lenny Stable
19:46.33abrotmanYeretik: or wait a day or two and try again
19:46.39xeon-enoufajavid: i've only seen dpkgbot be slow when using it's find or info feature
19:46.41WalexYeretik: unless you are a very advanced developer that understands the package system very well, don't use unstable or even worse testing.
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19:46.58ajavidxeon-enouf, which there is absolutely no need for (find maybe)
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19:47.11xeon-enoufwhat?
19:47.15ajavidno
19:47.16ajavidnot you
19:47.19ajavidwhat
19:47.22stewYeretik: "mysql-devel" sounds like a redhat package name or something, in debian you'd want libmysqlclient-dev or something similar (try "apt-cache search -n mysql dev")
19:47.24Vasistha!tell Yeretik about testing
19:47.26abrotmanYeretik: are you sure you mean 'mysql-devel' ?
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19:47.36ajavidI meant Yeretik sorry
19:47.37clearscreenWalex: why would testing be worse than unstable? :P
19:47.44ajavidwait I crossed my lines! sorry
19:47.49xeon-enoufnp aj
19:47.58xeon-enoufwhat?
19:48.06abrotmanclearscreen: usually things are broken longer
19:48.22xeon-enouf!confuse ajavid
19:48.22dpkgYes, those is your gerbil tomorrow, ajavid?  Pants of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra cream.
19:48.23ajavidoh I meant to tell himthere is no need for sid, and then you said your line and then I mixed up two thoughts i my head and one sentence came out
19:48.27ajavidshaddup
19:48.33Walexclearscreen: because issues with broken packages get fixed soon in "unstable".
19:48.37ajavidxeon-enouf, you messed me up
19:48.43xeon-enoufyes ;-)
19:48.53abrotmanWalex: though things are broken less often in testing (but usually the problem lasts longer)
19:48.53clearscreenWalex: I would assume things get broken more in often in unstable though? :P
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19:49.06ajavidclearscreen, Walex correct
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19:49.20ajavidclearscreen, it is a rolling release where as debian stable (isn't)
19:49.43ajavidclearscreen, frozen vs rolling basically. frozen is more stable and secure
19:49.46Walexabrotman: yes, but it can be very frustrating; then one ends up a mix of testing/unstable...
19:50.02abrotmanWalex: or you learn how to do it correctly and don't do that :)
19:50.19xeon-enoufWalex: testing is always accepting migration from unstable
19:50.20ajavidclearscreen, a rolling release is continously updated, packages movingin and out (testing) and sid is even worse
19:50.38ajavidclearscreen, testing is automatic, sid is manual
19:50.43stew(not always, but usually)
19:50.47Walexajavid: I once had a flamewar about what. My thesis is that 'testing' and 'untable' are not releases,a nd are not even Debian. They are just repositories. A release and Debian is what the project releases...
19:50.52ajavidstew, which part?
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19:51.08stewWalex: debian calls them releases
19:51.18ajavidWalex, even experimental is a 'release' but it isn't a release
19:51.21xeon-enouf!suites
19:51.32stewexperimental isn't a release
19:51.36ajavidWalex, language semantics... technicalities, word games. They don't matter
19:51.38xeon-enoufoh well .. so much for docu terminology
19:51.39ajavidstew, neither is sid.
19:51.43ajavidon the same note.
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19:51.52stewajavid: it is as far as debian is concerned
19:52.05ajavidthat is debateable
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19:52.29Walexajavid: they are not word games -- because it impacts the reputation of the project, and confuses people.
19:52.37stew(http://www.debian.org/releases/)
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19:52.48lxsameeri update my repo with debmirror tool but when i do apt-get update and then look at repo i still see the old repo
19:52.50ajavidit is a development brach whic is installable (even directly) hence it has the behaviours of a release, but officially it isn't not a release, regardless of what they might lay claim to
19:52.50lxsameerwhy
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19:53.08stewajavid: what do you mean by officially then?
19:53.15stewajavid: who changed its official status?
19:53.20Walexajavid: for example a snapshot of "testing" is as much "Debian" as a Ubuntu is. That is, it is as supported by the project as much as the project supports Ubuntu.
19:53.22xeon-enoufdid
19:53.24ajavidITs always been like this
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19:53.30ajavidas far back as I can remember
19:54.00xeon-enoufWalex: as ubuntu is what?
19:54.01stewajavid: oh wait you mean "debian officialy says it is a release, but its not a "ajavid official" release"
19:54.08ajavidstew, sure
19:54.15themillajavid: debian uses "release" just to mean a self-contained set of packages that are accessible from a Packages file.
19:54.25ajavidthemill, let me requote myself
19:54.29ajavid02:51 <             ajavid> Walex, language semantics... technicalities, word games. They don't matter
19:54.32ajavidI'm done. carry on.
19:54.33ranixand we will absolutely support squeeze here
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19:54.55ranixin fact supporting squeeze is essential to the build-and-release cycle
19:54.57xeon-enoufsupports sid for certain users only :-P
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19:55.13ranixI don't consider myself advanced enough to use sid, I don't touch it
19:55.16themillranix: sometimes. Unless we're busy and we advised $user to use lenny instead, in which case support in #d starts to get patchy
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19:55.32xeon-enoufranix: i'm only a half-advanced ape
19:55.41ranixthemill: I'm a bit guilty of that in the first 9 months or so of the stable release myself
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19:56.00ranixI think it's only essential once testing solidifies into something that resembles a divergence
19:56.14Walexajavid: they matter they matter. themill: a Debian release has a set of properties: that it has been quality tested by the project, that it will get prompt security updates, that it will get periodic maintenance updates, that it will be otherwise stable. The project makes no such commitements about "unstable", "testing" or Ubuntu.
19:56.15ranix(as long as we're playing word games anyway I might as well speak nonsense)
19:56.33xeon-enoufranix: upon release of Stable, testing becomes divergant, within hours ;-)
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19:57.03ajavidWalex, my point exactly, or perhaps I'm not conveying it properly
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19:57.57ajavidas far as I'm concerned, sid is not a 'release'.  They can say whatever they want, it doesn't make it a release.
19:57.59xeon-enoufWalex: testing (used to?) get some security updates .. not sure of promptness/tardiness
19:58.02stewWalex: what you are saying is true for the stable release, but not necessarily true for the testing and unstable releases
19:58.21Titan8990_xeon-enouf, there currently is not a security repo for testing
19:58.27xeon-enoufstew: testing and unstable are suites , not releases
19:58.33xeon-enoufTitan8990_: i know
19:59.08themillxeon-enouf, ajavid, Walex: you're welcome to call them what you want, but look at http://www.debian.org/releases/ for what the Debian project calls them.
19:59.13Vasisthahmm, too bad testing-secutiry fell apart. oh well, it's understandble.
19:59.41lxsameerwhere does debmirror store the packages.gz file ?
19:59.41xeon-enoufthemill: i've seen 'suite' used in many many official debian docu
19:59.42ajavidsid at least is the development branch of debian. unless debian has made available ISOs of debian sid (which would be just stupid), and has a sid install guide, it IS NOT a release
19:59.51ajavidthey should perhaps reconsider the loose use of the term 'release'
19:59.52stewTitan8990_: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/ is the security repo for testing
19:59.56xeon-enoufthemill: so, one specific page doesn'twarrant clarity
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20:00.07ajavidthemill, I agree, however I think they should reconsider the term 'release'
20:00.15ajavidthemill, at least in the context of sid
20:00.16themillperhaps, but that's not the point of the discussion.
20:00.25ajavidit is incorrect
20:00.29\amethystthemill:  that page alternates between "release" (in the first pg) and "distribution" (elsewhere)
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20:00.33ajavidjust because they refer to it as a relase, doesn't make it one
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20:00.34Walexthemill: that is indeed the case, but it is madness.
20:00.36ajaviddo you not understand that?
20:00.45xeon-enouf\amethyst: bingo
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20:00.58ajavidthemill, i can CALL you a 'rose' but you'd still be the mill
20:01.08themillFeel free to mail debian-project@lists.debian.org and have a good whinge. I can see it going down really well.
20:01.21Walexseveral people within Debian do think that 'testing' and 'unstable' ARE releases, just a bit less official.
20:01.41xeon-enoufeww.. d-p? their the ones that came up with this one-off December2009 freeze - no thanls
20:01.43ajavidthemill, I don't care enough to do that, however I do care enough to voice my opinion on irc where its not giving people 'correct' misinformation
20:01.44xeon-enoufthanks*
20:01.53xeon-enoufs/teir/they're/
20:02.12ajavidanywa.. moving on.
20:02.19\amethystor file a bug against www.debian.org
20:02.25xeon-enoufWalex: nothing but Stable is "officially" supported
20:02.27xeon-enoufperiod
20:02.30themillajavid: irc is not a bug tracking system. And #debian is not even #d-devel. You should know that by now
20:02.43ajavidthemill, I should? I do.
20:02.43xeon-enoufWalex: and even so, No WARRANTY ;-)
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20:03.01Vasisthacould you guys take it outside? :D
20:03.04ajavidthemill, however the discussion was in here. I'm not looking to randomly bring this up in either devel or elsewhere
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20:03.13Walexxeon-enouf: sure, but some debianistas think that since they come from the project, they are indeed "official". I think otherwise.
20:03.15ajavidI said what I said in the context of the discussion in THIS channel
20:03.16themillxeon-enouf: you might want to read debian-project to have some clue about it before making such comments
20:03.28ajavidnowhere else.
20:03.43ajavidand as I said.. lets move on.
20:05.04xeon-enoufthemill: no thanks.. i've seen enough nonsense and bullshit
20:05.13themill*plonk*
20:05.21ajavidwhoah.
20:05.25ajavidthemill, ...?
20:05.31ajavidthemill, brother... relax.
20:05.37\amethystgenerally the FAQ etc refers to 'testing' and 'unstable' as distributions, and seems to use 'release' when talking about a released or to-be-released distribution, or occasionally when talking about all distributions
20:05.39xeon-enoufso if i post /ignoring bozo - that'll make it better? lmao
20:05.50ajavidxeon-enouf, stop. noneed to escalate it any further.
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20:06.06xeon-enoufajavid: stay out of my business please
20:06.09xeon-enoufthanks
20:06.17ajavidxeon-enouf, then take it to /msg
20:06.18themillI have little interest in arguing on irc at the best of times and have even less interest in arguing with people who aren't even willing to base their comments in reality.
20:06.27\amethyste.g. 'testing' is called a distribution, but 'squeeze' a release (even though it hasn't been released yet)
20:06.39xeon-enouf\amethyst: hahaha
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20:06.41xeon-enoufnice
20:06.42ajavidthemill, I know man, I know, but... c'mon
20:06.49ajavidthemill, be patient. he is a good dude.
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20:07.08themill\amethyst: perhaps you could offer some patches to the wml that creates the site?
20:07.22\amethystthemill:  I don't think it is a problem
20:07.29xeon-enoufwhy don't you, since you're the one that's confused
20:07.31ajavidthemill, \amethyst I also don't think it is a problem.
20:08.06\amethystthemill:  'distribution' for testing and unstable, and 'release' for squeeze, lenny, etch, etc. is reasonable, I think
20:08.11ajavidcome on guys, kiss and make u
20:08.13ajavidup
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20:08.27ajavid\amethyst, I too think that is reasonable
20:08.29xeon-enoufajavid: and 'suite' == ?
20:08.34ajavidxeon-enouf, not so much
20:08.40ajaviddistrubition or flavor perhaps
20:08.48ajavidnot flavor. dist. is better
20:09.17\amethyst'suite' seems to be a synonym for 'distribution'
20:09.29ajavidbut lets just use the direct word and not beat around the bush :)
20:09.45\amethystwithout the possibility of confusing that use with the 'Debian or Ubuntu' use of the term 'distribution'
20:09.47ajavidand potentially confuse peole
20:10.12xeon-enouf\amethyst: absolutely .. since migration of 'codename' (lenny/squeeze/sid) from across 'distribution-name' (stable/testing/unstable) occurs
20:11.25arcskywhy ist so diffectult to install debian from an usb stick???
20:11.26xeon-enoufeverything accepted into codename, came from distribution-name at one time ...
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20:12.34ajavidarcsky, becuase most people fail to follow proper instructions
20:12.43ajavidarcsky, as proven to me once here
20:13.11xeon-enoufanything not accepted into unstable will never make it into testing (distribution-names), and one could replace unstable/testing with sid/squeeze in that context... jowever,
20:13.20xeon-enoufhowever*
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20:13.53harkdebian is the distribution and stable, testing and unstable are releases
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20:14.01xeon-enoufsince Squeeze will someday _become_ (migrate) to Stable, that's not always trye
20:14.12ajaviddebian sucks and windows vista rules!
20:14.14\amethystxeon-enouf:  that's not completely true because of security updates (though as pointed out earlier, right now there is no security support for testing)
20:14.20harklike how lsb_release shows it
20:14.20simonrvns,releases,suites,
20:14.23ajavidhow come debian doesn't work right?
20:14.30ajavidever.
20:14.35simonrvnwhat do THEY know? :P
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20:14.49ajavidno? I tried...
20:14.52ajavid*sigh*
20:14.55McL0VINhowdy folks
20:15.00ajavidMcL0VIN, hewwo
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20:15.28simonrvnhi McL0VIN/dacs/piper69
20:15.45ajavidmclovin
20:15.50ajavidlol... thats a crazy nickname :)
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20:16.13arcskyajavid: "proper instructions" lol
20:16.27ajavidarcsky, yes, in my experience here in this channel
20:16.40arcskyok
20:16.41ajavidmore often than not, people fail to follow simple instructions in the install guide
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20:17.05ajavidarcsky, but I'd love to help you if you asked a REAL qestion.
20:17.14ajavidtry one.
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20:17.26arcskywell it doesnt work with unetbootin
20:17.31arcskyi dont make anything wrong at all
20:17.44ajavidI (mostly we) do not support any other boot methods than the ones in the install guide
20:17.48themillsimonrvn: you forgot Dacs
20:18.10simonrvnoh yes, i did
20:18.12ajavidsomeone here uses unetbootin? I've never come across one. If they are, they can help you.
20:18.14themill:)
20:18.27ajavidother than that, kindly follow the debian install guide (which does not use unetbootin)
20:18.47arcskyhttp://blog.dunk.tk/blog1.php/2009/02/08/install-debian-from-usb-flash-drive
20:18.50arcskygonna try that one now
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20:19.08ajavidarcsky, why don't you be smart and actually read the fucking install guide.
20:19.08simonrvnwhat's wrong with the official install guide?
20:19.12McL0VINsimonrvn: did u get Piper69 too
20:19.18ajavidsimonrvn, I too wonder that
20:19.30simonrvnmissed that one too
20:19.40McL0VINyep never mind
20:19.46xeon-enoufarcsky: was the wesite author so drunk he forgot the 'r' from dunk? :-P
20:19.53McL0VINanywho...is there is a pkg for RANCID
20:20.08ajavidyes
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20:20.09maligorajavid, rather trying to provoke hostile response?-)
20:20.13ajavidjudd versions rancid
20:20.13juddajavid: rancid -- sid: 2.3.2-1 squeeze: 2.3.2-1
20:20.22xeon-enoufMcL0VIN: there's no CAPITALIZED pkgs ;-)
20:20.33ajavidmaligor, not really. I just curse a lot. Fuck fuckity fuck fuckarooni.
20:20.36ajavid:)
20:20.45McL0VINxeon-enouf: well that is the name of the application dude
20:20.52ajavidI'm a really happy go lucky guy man, just very hyper all the time.
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20:21.16xeon-enoufMcL0VIN: not a debian pkgname though
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20:21.28McL0VINthink happy=gay lol
20:21.36ajavidbe that as it may
20:21.50ajavidI love to have a yabba dabba GAY ol' time.
20:21.54xeon-enoufhappy/peppy/and bursting with McL0VIN
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20:22.18themillhopes the signal:noise will improve soon
20:22.43McL0VINxeon-enouf: was that you who asked me the other night at the bar if the stool was TAKEN?!
20:22.51ajavidis going to stop responding to any and all offtopic stuff from now on (I hope)
20:22.54azeemMcL0VIN: please keep it on topic
20:23.02ajavidkeep drawing me in.
20:23.15McL0VINazeem: lol i will sorry
20:23.19McL0VIN:)
20:24.35cokespooncowboyanyone try running a snow leopard hackintosh in a virtualbox on debian/amd64?
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20:24.54simonrvncan you be any less on-topic?
20:24.59maligorcokespooncowboy, I should imagine that's a virtualbox issue
20:25.27cokespooncowboyi was just trying to be slightly more on topic than the previous comments
20:25.35cokespooncowboyslow progress.. but in the right direction
20:25.53ajavidI think
20:26.02ajavidI'd like to know how to do this.
20:26.03azeemcokespooncowboy: there is no try
20:26.06jamoncould always just apt-get moo to get back on topic
20:26.24azeemit's pretty easy, ok?  Just don't be off-topic
20:26.26ajavidcokespooncowboy, have you? Successfully? How?
20:26.31azeemajavid: ?
20:26.35ajavidazeem, huh?
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20:26.45azeemdidn't you just pledge to not follow-up on off-topic discussions?
20:26.47ajavidno i was talking to cokespooncowboy lol
20:26.56ajavidazeem, excuse me?
20:27.04ajavidazeem, wtf are you on about?
20:27.09cokespooncowboyajavid: i've seen previous hackintoshes work in vmware on debian, but slooowly - unusable
20:27.12azeemwho acknowledged was trolling the chan about the Snow Leopard
20:27.19lxsameeri install amarok 2 but it does not play mp3 music . how should i add mp3 support?
20:27.25ajavidazeem, that bit I did not see or realize
20:27.51ajavidazeem, and yes, I would like to learn how to do this, and if he was serious, I would have liked to know, but you inform me that he was trolling
20:27.54ajavidthat sucks.
20:28.33ajavidOSX is still one OS I have not yet gotten to
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20:28.53ajavidI don't even know if it can be run in a linux vbox env. or if you require PearPC specifically or what
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20:29.48cokespooncowboyajavid: fyi, the vmware image of os/x will not run on vbox (vbox supports vmware images, somewhat)
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20:30.02ajavidI do have a vmware 6.5.x
20:30.14ajavidcokespooncowboy, could you kindly link me to these images in a private message?
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20:30.49cokespooncowboyajavid: it's been years.  Check the torrents
20:30.57ajavidoh its not legal?
20:31.01ajavidwell fuck that.
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20:31.02azeem...
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20:31.32cokespooncowboyajavid: it's legal if you do all the work yourself.. buy the OS/x DVD off the shelf, and hack it
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20:31.58ajavidazeem, I thought maybe they made something avialble to testint or someting. MS usually puts out someting like that for testing like windows 7 builds isos on thier website etc. I thought maybe Apple did something similar that he was referring to
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20:32.41ajavidcokespooncowboy, nah. I don't think I'll do that.
20:33.04cokespooncowboyajavid: c'mon... someone has to pay for Steve Jobs new liver
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20:33.20cokespooncowboyor should I say, used liver
20:33.32Kuifje111donate yours
20:33.33ajavidI've got lenny, squeeze, sid, openbsd, kubuntu (yes yes piss off), windows xp running right now on my lenny desktop
20:33.39azeemcokespooncowboy: please keep it on topic
20:33.49azeemcokespooncowboy: or rather, do you have a Debian question?
20:33.51solid_liqyeah, buy an iPhone and check the organ donor box on your driver's license!  c'mon, I bet jobs'll need another one
20:33.53ajavidI have 1,2,3 chroots
20:34.04ajavidand bsd and xp running inside the vmware
20:34.30maligorcokespooncowboy, legality depends on where you live
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20:34.57ajavidschroot -p -c <name of my chroot here> -- someapp &>/dev/null &
20:34.59ajavid:)
20:35.04ajavidI love debian
20:35.23solid_liqheh, if Jobs has a daughter, he should name her, "Blow"
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20:35.39ajavidkde4.3.1 is awesome in sid too, compared to 4.1 in backports, dude.. holy balls
20:35.46azeemsolid_liq: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
20:36.02ajavidis alost ready for use too. Hopefully squeeze releases with 4.3.x
20:36.10ajavidalmost
20:36.18oxihi
20:36.18azeemI think they plan to release with 4.5 or something
20:36.22ajavidits around where kde 3.3 used to be
20:36.23cokespooncowboywhat's schroot?  some kind of more secure chroot?
20:36.28azeemat least the KDE team wants a freeze in August 2010
20:36.30ajavidazeem, upstream is only upto 4.3.x
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20:36.36ajavidazeem, oh that
20:36.37ajavidyes
20:36.47ajavid!schroot
20:36.47dpkgit has been said that schroot is an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html
20:36.54ajavidno more fstabs
20:36.55oxidoes anyone understand the difference beetween openjdk-6-jre and default-jre?
20:36.58ajavidno more bullshit mounts
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20:37.03ajavidschroot > *chroot
20:37.17azeemoxi: the latter is a virtual/meta-package
20:37.26cokespooncowboynice
20:37.28azeempossibly pointing at openjdk-6-jew currently
20:37.32azeemeh jre*
20:37.34ajavidoxi, there are a virtual packages (v) and regular packages (p)
20:37.45oxiajavid: thanks
20:37.51ajavidoxi, one (v) will point to the (p) if you do aptitude show pkgname
20:37.57oxiajavid: what does that mean for me in practice?
20:38.04ajavidnothing
20:38.08stewoxi: default-jre is a package which exists so that all the other package which depend or build-depend on a jre don't have to be re-uploaded when the default jre in debian changes
20:38.08ajavid!install java
20:38.08dpkgFor the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>).  For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations.  The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre.  Also ask me about <install java etch>.  Also see <java alternatives>
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20:38.25ajavidread this, install java and have at it. It mean... stew got to it.
20:38.34stewoxi: it should mean little to you in practice.  you should be able to have many jre's installed and switch between them using update-java-alternatives
20:38.36oxistew: I see, thanks for explaining this
20:38.43JyZyXELby default all the display drivers for xserver are installed
20:38.50ajavidJyZyXEL, yes
20:38.55ajavidJyZyXEL, that is correct
20:38.57JyZyXELdoes it make any sense to remove the ones you don't need?
20:39.03ajavidJyZyXEL, yes, you can do that
20:39.11JyZyXELwill that save me alot of space?
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20:39.19ajavidJyZyXEL, but why? Just leave them there, they don't hurt anything. Unless you're in dire need of space
20:39.30ajavidJyZyXEL, a lot? no
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20:39.38abrotmanJyZyXEL: the package descriptions have the size
20:39.42JyZyXELajavid: my system partition is like 1.5 GB
20:39.46ajavidJyZyXEL, you can look at the 'installed' size of a pckage
20:39.49ajavidpackage*
20:39.51simonrvnnot really, maybe a few hundred kB
20:39.59JyZyXELoh ok thats nothing
20:40.03ajavidJyZyXEL, it will not matter at all
20:41.12JyZyXELwould be cool to list the packages in size order
20:41.17ajavidyou can
20:41.22oxidoes anyone here understand how to create a debian java package?
20:41.30JyZyXELbut i only know of dpkg -l
20:41.51ajavidhttp://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html
20:41.52ajavidstart here
20:41.57oxiI'd like to create an Apache Derby debian package, so that I don't need to use the non-free JavaDB package
20:41.58ajavidChaper search patterns
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20:42.50oxiI'm trying to understand how to use /usr/share/maven-repo , but I barely find any documentation
20:43.31JyZyXELo.o
20:43.46ajavidhttp://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html
20:44.02ajavid%IInstalled Size6No The (estimated) amount of space the package takes up on disk.
20:44.09JyZyXELwhy doesn't it have any example commands
20:44.10ajavid%I Installed Size 6 No The (estimated) amount of space the package takes up on disk.
20:44.13ajavidit does
20:44.15ajavidkeep reading.
20:44.20ajavidand pay attention, and add 2+2
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20:44.44ajavidI have class in 1.5 hours and i have to now study. Good day folks.
20:45.13oxithere's the javahelper package for packaging, but I guess a pom is still not enough, ... one needs to write at least a debian/control and a debian/rules file, right?
20:45.56JyZyXELhow do you make aptitude even list installed packages in the first place
20:46.06abrotman!tell JyZyXEL about sort by size
20:46.07JyZyXELi didn't even know it can do that
20:46.17stewoxi: and a debian/copyright and a debian/changelog
20:46.17JyZyXELsort by size is -F %D i think
20:46.18ajavidseriously
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20:46.30ajavidman... how come nobody tells me of these useful factoid
20:46.37ajavidpokes abrotman
20:46.37oxiI'd like to use mh_installjar
20:46.48oxistew: ok
20:46.49abrotmanmaybe if you'd pay attention instead of just talking all the time ...
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20:46.56inckiehttp://snapshot.debian.net/archive/dists/pool/apache2 <-- only me who is getting 404 ?
20:47.00ajavidabrotman, ahh that too
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20:47.27JyZyXELfigures its something impossible like that
20:47.36ajavidaptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I"
20:47.37JyZyXELaptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I"
20:47.54Kuifje111inckie: no, I get 404 too.
20:48.06ajavidintalled with installsize and then list package and its size
20:48.13ajavidits not impossizlbe
20:49.15ajavidaptitue is THE SHIT!
20:49.19ajavidok i go now.
20:49.31stewinckie: snapshot.debian.net hasn't been maintained since may 2008
20:49.36inckieKuifje111 okay, thx.. baah that sux...
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20:50.29xxtjaxxstew why? everybody  that wants to test something uses sidux`? :p
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20:51.10Pnuxhey, how can i disable the network-manager package?
20:51.15inckiestew that sux, i really need some of these packages
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20:51.20inckiei really need apache 2.0.53
20:51.28stewxxtjaxx: i've never heard why, i don't know what sidux has to do with anything.  debian has an official replacement for s.d.n but its not yet publicly availalbe
20:51.45stewinckie: what on earth do you need an old vulnerable version of apache for?
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20:52.24inckiei have some software who only works with that version, and the guy who makes the software is an asshole.. he won't fix his shit
20:52.35inckiebut it's not a public server
20:52.55stewdon't use broken shit software written by assholes?
20:53.00stewfix it yourself?
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20:53.19inckiestew wish i could, we don't got source
20:53.26ajavidHAHAHAHAHA
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20:53.36ajavidstew, you tell 'im.
20:53.45stewinckie: and there isn't a free alternative?
20:53.53inckiestew no
20:54.30inckieit's for a mediaserver...
20:54.50Pnuxget him fired
20:54.53inckie(voip)
20:55.01inckiePnux wish i could...
20:55.14inckiehis an old Snom coder
20:55.30Vasisthainckie: wengo is a voip foss project; there's another...
20:55.52inckieVasistha im not able to change software.. it's in production use
20:56.01inckieit's for at test setup of our production
20:56.11inckieit's running on some old servers..
20:56.19inckiei wanna reinstall them...
20:56.29inckiebut it wasn't me who installed them years ago
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20:57.39inckieanyway, instead of explain my self... i know this is stupid, but thats my situation
20:58.44inckieanyway im off, going for a beer
20:58.52JyZyXELwhys the awesome package in lenny so outdated
20:59.05cockroachinckie: you can always try an old deb from http://snapshot.debian.net/ - be aware of the security risks, though
20:59.06azeemJyZyXEL: lenny is stable
20:59.09JyZyXELits like the most outdated thing ever
20:59.20ajavidbut its stable.
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20:59.27JyZyXELD:
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21:00.40gravityJyZyXEL: The policy for stable releases is that it doesn't get package updates except for very serious bugs
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21:00.55gravityJyZyXEL: If you want newer stuff there's other options for you
21:01.07ajavid!tell JyZyXEL -about testing
21:01.28McL0VINTCP provides error recovery, but to do so, it consumes more bandwidth and uses more processing cycles. what is meant by processing cycles
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21:02.34ajavidhandshaking, adding additional routing information in the packet headers, to encode and decode the packets like that means more processing than stateless protocols
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21:02.37floweris it possible to download this video? http://blip.tv/file/1673253
21:02.39ajavidlike udp
21:02.47JyZyXELguess i should
21:03.03JyZyXELi had squeeze for a while and it was nice
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21:03.18ajavidreciept of whether the packet was recieved, otherwise after the timeout it is assumed to be lost and reset (consuming more bandwith)
21:03.20JyZyXELuntil i changed it to sid and sid is not so nice
21:03.32ajavidMcL0VIN, ##networking
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21:03.43ajavidMcL0VIN, or ##linux as this is not debian specific
21:03.54stewMcL0VIN: "processing cycles" meaning the cpu has to run more instructions
21:03.56cockroachlikes sid. keeps you busy... :)
21:03.56ajavids/reset/resent
21:04.11McL0VINoh sorry i meant to ask in cisco channel my bad
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21:05.20ajavidcockroach, yes indeedy.
21:05.41ajavidcockroach, more fun is running all 3 debians on the same box at the same time
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21:06.06cockroachajavid: black magic? or virtualization? :)
21:06.10Kuifje111more fun is having 4 i7 cores thrown onto a motherboard with 40GB RAM
21:06.15flaccidwhere can i read about creating a debian system service and enabling it on boot ?
21:06.16Kuifje111and then run tons of vmwares
21:06.20ajavidcockroach, chroot
21:06.30ajavidfuck vmare.
21:06.46Kuifje111or whatever virtualization software.
21:06.53ajavid!chroot
21:06.54dpkga way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system
21:06.56cockroachajavid: i found virtualbox to be surprisingly non-annoying (the non-free version, that is).
21:07.07jelly-homevirtual mares aren't as satisfactory as real ones
21:07.12ajavidcockroach, I find chroots to be better for anything...
21:07.15ajavidjelly-home, lol
21:07.22maligorKuifje111, you'd need tons more money so you could attach them since you'd need Xeon i7's
21:07.23ajavidhahaha omg
21:07.41Kuifje111yeah, quite an expensive it would be.
21:07.41cockroachajavid: iirc chroots get you into trouble when mixing 32/64bit stuff...
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21:07.51ajavidcockroach, they do no such thing.
21:07.57Kuifje111chroots are useful, yeah.
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21:08.06sergiuHi
21:08.16sergiusome gtk 2.0 themes don't look right
21:08.17cockroachajavid: hmm, then i must be mistaken.
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21:08.24ajavidcockroach, you may get yourself in trouble due to one's lack of knowledge in he matter
21:08.28sergiuhow to fix this
21:08.41cockroachajavid: that sounds like it, yes :)
21:08.41ajavidcockroach, you may not be. Its a matter of experience and ability I suppose?
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21:08.54Kuifje111what does 'not right' mean?
21:09.03ajavidit doesn't mean wrong.
21:09.10Kuifje111can you be more specific?
21:09.13ajavidno
21:09.35abrotmani thought he was going to study?
21:09.40Kuifje111that question was for sergiu
21:09.45flohHi, I'm running postfix on debian-lenny, which works well. Now I installed clamav-milter. But I dunno how to enable clamav for postfix. :( How can I do that?
21:10.02ajavidabrotman, I love you too much to tear myself away from you babe
21:10.27ajavidI am studying and debianing.
21:10.27tosmowhere do i get the exact device descriptions which hal will use for matches?
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21:11.07cockroachanyone tried KMS on radeon yet? (not asking for advice, just curious)
21:11.59sergiu<Kuifje111>, not native, ugly
21:12.06ajavidcockroach, yes. That question is frowned up on here. #radeon
21:12.16sergiu<PROTECTED>
21:12.25ajavidcockroach, /msg dpkg anyone; /msg dpkg anyone use
21:12.27ajavid:)
21:12.31cockroachajavid: heh, why frowned?
21:12.35sergiu<PROTECTED>
21:12.39cockroachajavid: as i said, not asking for advice :)
21:12.40ajavidcockroach, read the factoids, you'll know.
21:12.42Kuifje111sergiu: well, I have no idea what it could be, but maybe someone else does.
21:12.50ajavidcockroach, its not the advice part, its the "anyone" part.
21:12.55cockroachajavid: i'm very familiar with those, i like throwing them at people
21:13.00ajavid:)
21:13.35cockroachajavid: usually the "anyone" part implies "i'm looking for somebody to help me with a random issue and i'll just keep bugging the first person to answer" :)
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21:13.48ajavidlol asshole :)
21:13.57abrotmanstop with the name calling
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21:14.20ajavidI'm sorry.. did you say something?
21:14.29azeemajavid: please drop the ad homindems
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21:14.33azeemeh, hominems
21:14.39ajaviddo not miscontrue
21:14.39abrotmanajavid: please stop calling people names, you've been warned before
21:14.43ajavidI implore you.
21:14.53ajavidI've not been warned before as I do not call people names.
21:14.59ajavidDo not fabricate shit.
21:14.59abrotmanyou just did
21:15.05ajavidits not namecalling.
21:15.09J_PHi all, I install a debian and after I install icewm. So i did startx to start icem. But I would like thar debian start and go to icewm without needs to do login, how I do  this?
21:15.09azeemajavid: even if you used it jokingly, that is not obvious to everybody
21:15.17ajavidazeem, that I can agree with
21:15.19ajavidfair enough
21:15.24cockroachJ_P: use gdm
21:15.29ajavidazeem, I apologize.
21:15.32cockroachJ_P: or slim
21:15.33azeemnp
21:15.36ZombJ_P: use icewm-session, not icewm
21:15.38Kuifje111or kdm
21:15.50Zomband yes, kdm or gdm with "auto-login" feature enabled
21:16.19J_Pcockroach: ok, installing gdm :-)
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21:16.43wamtyis snmp built with lenny?
21:16.49cockroachJ_P: if you're on sid (which you probably shouldn't be), the latest version of slim also offers auto-login...
21:16.52flaccidif i want to add to the system wide profile ie. /etc/profile should i just append to this file or is there a different place i should be putting it ?
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21:17.37ajavidcockroach, you knew i was joking huh? My bad.
21:17.45abrotmanwamty: there is an snmp package available in lenny, yes
21:17.48cockroachajavid: i do, i do, don't worry
21:18.08Kuifje111we're going to fill a lawsuite against your offensive language.
21:18.10ajavidand I don't call people names.
21:18.18wamtyabrotman: may I know the name please?
21:18.26abrotmanajavid: move on
21:18.32ajavidabrotman, then stop lying.
21:18.33abrotmanwamty: aptitude search snmp
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21:18.48abrotmanajavid: move on
21:18.53ajavidmoving on
21:20.23cockroachare people from debian-installer in here? i can't seem to properly preseed the keyboard confguration. the whole installation works automatically now, except for that one question...
21:20.38ajavidcockroach, #debian-boot irc.debian.org
21:21.18cockroachajavid: thx
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21:21.43wamtyabrotman: I'd expect there to be a pkg ?
21:21.58abrotmanwamty: i told you .. aptitude search snmp
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21:22.03azeemwamty: aptitude search provides you with a list of related packages
21:22.26wamtySirs, my question was is their snmp built with support for lmsensors3
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21:22.31wamtythats my original quesiton
21:22.34wamtysorry for not being clear
21:22.44abrotman<PROTECTED>
21:22.54wamtysorry I didnt make myself clear
21:23.16wamtyis their snmp built with support for lmsensors3 ?
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21:25.09wamtyany advice pls?
21:25.12wamtyor suggestions?
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21:26.17asgwamty: apt-cache show <pkg> ; see if the Depends: line contains libsensors3 or it's dev package
21:26.55stewjudd: depends libsnmp15
21:26.56juddstew: libsnmp15 -- Depends: libsnmp-base (>= 5.4.1~dfsg-12), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libsensors3 (>= 1:2.10.3-1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~)
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21:27.05stewwamty: it depends on libsensors3 ^^^
21:28.08wamtystew: how is 2.10 3?
21:28.28stewwamty: what?
21:28.31azeemwamty: why don't you try yourself?
21:28.45J_Pcockroach: hey, gdm installed, but I not find optino to auto-login
21:28.59wamtysorry I misread
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21:29.33J_Pcockroach: around?
21:29.44cockroachJ_P: you should have a menu entry to configure gdm somewhere now (something like "login screen configuration") - there you can easily configure it. otherwise, have a look at /etc/gdm.conf (or wherever it is)
21:29.52cockroachJ_P: yep, just slow :)
21:29.53toolzcan anyone tell me if I can install an older version of libc-2.7.so on debian 5.0.2?
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21:30.09azeemtoolz: why do you want to do this?
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21:30.40toolzbecause some game servers that I host requier an older version. and they dont seem to work fine with that version
21:30.56wamtystew: i got lm_sensors-3.1.0-1.fc11.i586
21:31.01wamtystew: hmm maybe I can just use the debian binary
21:31.05azeemtoolz: glibc is backwards compatible
21:31.20azeemwamty: are you actually running Debian?
21:32.03toolzazeem not with these gameservers, talking about hlds_i686, valve counter-strike
21:32.24azeemyou mean those gameservers are broken
21:32.42toolzSep 11 22:47:25 games4 kernel: [10650.205052] hlds_i686[21520]: segfault at 9fb2158 ip f7ed25ef sp f4a00ee4 error 6 in libc-2.7.so[f7e63000+14c000]
21:32.44toolzan example
21:32.53azeemand?
21:33.04toolzthought you might understand something from that
21:33.11azeemit's a segfault
21:33.26azeemwhy do you think an older version of libc-2.7 would help?
21:33.42toolzbecause it works on other machines with older debian
21:33.45toolzlike 4.0
21:33.56azeem4.0 doesn't have libc-2.7
21:34.06toolzyea, and it works there
21:34.25azeemthe code is probably just as broken, but it doesn't crash by accident
21:34.33azeemwith the old glibc
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21:36.54toolzor maybe they were built to look after older version or something like that
21:36.56toolzdunno exactly
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21:37.43azeemthen they are broken as well
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21:38.42wamtystew: I went to the debian website, everything but the  deb link
21:39.09azeem23:31 < azeem> wamty: are you actually running Debian?
21:39.37wamtyno, but I need the deb package sir
21:40.04azeemthen yes, you can download it from packages.debian.org/snmp
21:40.28wamtyok sir
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21:44.24wamtyfrom http://packages.debian.org/lenny/snmpd ?
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21:44.45wamtyor should I get http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/snmpd/download ?
21:45.07wamtydamn debconf is a dep[ :(
21:45.22wamtyor is that just to build it?
21:45.24azeemobviously, we have no idea what you are trying to do
21:45.37azeemso we cannot advise
21:45.56wamtydebs are just ar files right ?
21:46.03azeemno
21:46.10stewwamty: if you are trying to figure out which debian package is right for your non-debian os, I'd suggest asking in a channel related to your os
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21:52.01olivHi, could anyone give me the old /etc/init.d/iptables script ? Do not know how to find it back.
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21:54.14dondelelcarooliv: it's in /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/ iirc.
21:54.21dondelelcarooliv: dpkg -L iptables; is your friend.
21:55.08olivdondelelcaro: I lied, I have ubuntu but I want the legacy mechanism of debian
21:55.25wamtydoes anybody know a good way to test https on a live server.  I just want to be able to test the speed to retrieve a page/file every 5 mins or so, not 'hammer' with ab.
21:55.26olivdondelelcaro: so no exmpales
21:55.28dondelelcarooliv: you'll actually probably be happier in the long term with fer, though.
21:55.57dondelelcaroerr, ferm.
21:56.00olivdondelelcaro: what is fer ?
21:56.04olivdondelelcaro: k
21:56.20olivdondelelcaro: want to set up kick, do you have the file ?
21:56.42themillwamty: unless you've just installed debian in the last few minutes, then you really should be asking your distro's channel, not #debian.
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21:58.06Titan8990what is the name of the package that does easy IP masquerading for connection sharing?
21:58.36dondelelcaroTitan8990: ipmasq
21:59.19Titan8990dondelelcaro, thanks
21:59.29dondelelcarooliv: um... we actually seem to have stopped distributing it; it's kind of crappy. You really want iptables-save, and iptables-apply, which you can shove into a call in /etc/rc.local or similar
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22:00.38olivdondelelcaro: yes, I use iptables-save and restore but the script I needed is the "/etc/rc.local or similar" I write it back meantime. cheers
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22:01.10wamtybbl and thanks everyone for
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22:01.15dondelelcarooliv: literally, it's iptables-apply /path/to/rulesetfile;
22:01.23dondelelcaroshove that into /etc/rc.local
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22:04.03Titan8990why does the debian hardening guide suggest creating an init script for iptables if there are utilities to save configurations?
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22:05.39stewTitan8990: probably becuase the guide is very old.  that's not been a recommended way of using iptables for a long time
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22:07.51Titan8990stew, im guessing the iptables documentation on the wiki is now the preferred method?
22:08.30dondelelcarohopefully; I haven't read it myself. ;-)
22:08.39stewsame here :)
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22:08.49stewi'd also hope that the iptables package has a good README.Debian
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22:09.55dondelelcaroit doesn't, unfortunatly...
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22:10.05dondelelcaro(well, it's got one, but it doesn't cover this issue)
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22:11.52Titan8990the wiki puts  "iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.test.rules" in a script to be ran from/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables
22:12.21dondelelcarothat's reasonable
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22:14.15J_Pcockroach: works, but I would like start a application automacally, I'm using .xinitrc and/or .xsession and not works..
22:14.25Titan8990hmm, i was hoping to get to write something
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22:15.39acidchildanyone know if i can reinstall via initramfs shell on a broken debian install?
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22:17.58Titan8990acidchild, doubt it, uses a read-only filesystem in RAM
22:18.07Titan8990acidchild, hows your system broken?
22:18.10acidchildyeah i understand that.
22:18.12J_Pcockroach: ahh without gdm, the .xinitrc/.xsession works.. with autologin in gdm not works
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22:18.28Titan8990acidchild, what error do you get prior to being dropped in busybox?
22:18.31Kobazis there a package for the lame mp3 encoder, i can't seem to find one... and twolame is an mp2 encoder
22:18.33acidchildi dunno, i installed debian on it about 2months ago and after 2 reboots the disc was currupt or something.
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22:18.41acidchildTitan8990: bunch mount issues.
22:19.01acidchildKobaz: non-free maybe or debian-media
22:19.05Titan8990acidchild, i recommend running fsck from a livecd
22:19.11acidchildTitan8990: related to /dev
22:19.17acidchildhaha, if i only i could 'live cd' it :)
22:19.23Titan8990Kobaz, last time i check, no, but its an easy manual download
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22:19.27Kobazyea
22:19.30acidchildmy flash card reader/writer is broken and it only has a sd card slot.
22:19.31Kobazi like packages
22:20.00acidchildso its gotta be done with pxe or via initramfs, but initramfs does include wget.
22:20.00Titan8990Kobaz, its a single file but i understand
22:20.07ajavidacidchild, yo
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22:20.15acidchildyo to you too.
22:20.40Titan8990acidchild, boot to usb?
22:20.52acidchildno usb key
22:20.56acidchildi don't think.
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22:22.25Titan8990pull the hdd out throw it another pc and fsck it
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22:22.34acidchild<PROTECTED>
22:22.49abrotmanit can't be removed ?
22:22.50Titan8990well, any ways you look at you need to check the filesystem
22:22.53acidchildi was thinking, hard drive to usb though.
22:22.56Titan8990how you do that is your choice
22:23.09acidchildabrotman: yeah but i don't have the correct cable for that weird disc
22:23.49abrotmanshouldn't it be a standard ata/sata cable ?
22:23.54acidchildnar.
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22:24.15phobos_anomalyDoes anyone in here have much experience with apt-build?
22:24.34acidchildanyways, thanks. just wondered if people knew about initramfs. :) people dont it seems.
22:24.37pickcoderacidchild: what format is the disk case?
22:24.38Titan8990you mean emerge -e world :)
22:24.40acidchildi'll do PXE
22:25.10acidchildpickcoder: format? its got ext2
22:25.16pickcoderthe case of the drive
22:25.23acidchildits on a RAM stick
22:25.35acidchildand fits in a like-wise looking ram slot.
22:25.37Titan8990its what?
22:25.42pickcoderthen it's not an SSD
22:25.47pickcoderprobably CF
22:25.54acidchildyes, its SSD.
22:26.27acidchildi said 'like' anyways, its something i've had stored away for a while.
22:26.38Titan8990acidchild, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash
22:27.02acidchildits..not...CF
22:27.13pickcoderwhat format is it then
22:27.18pickcoderif you know that it's not these?
22:27.40acidchildblah, one second
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22:28.49elopsdebian calls the module ucd-snmp/lmSensors?
22:29.15azeemelops: please ask your distribution's support channel
22:29.34elopsi use slack
22:29.34azeemso ask them
22:29.34elopsbut they dont have that patch for lmsensors
22:29.38azeemwhich patch?
22:29.39elopsso I'll use debian's
22:29.43Titan8990then ask them how they work around it
22:29.55elopsnear the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/i386/net-snmp is the original source that Debian uses, and the patch they apply (80kb gzipped patch)
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22:30.09elopsThere is no way to do it with slack
22:30.18acidchildother than its a SSD 4GB drive, that is uncased in a fold down slot
22:30.22acidchildi don't know.
22:30.29acidchildthats all my these papers in the box say
22:31.48acidchildits a beta embedded device, but anyways... i can't find any docs related to initramfs and reinstall
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22:32.33Titan8990acidchild, pickcoder, i check, looks like it is "DRAM based SSD"
22:32.36TrueDDGood night all
22:33.02Titan8990acidchild, you should always specify you are using an embedded device
22:33.21acidchildnot when i come in here to talk about initramfs :D
22:33.49Titan8990but we just spent 10min figuring out you were using an embedded device....
22:33.59Titan8990or i did atleast
22:34.05acidchildso? still doesn't tell me how to reinstall from a RAM based FS enviroment :D
22:34.30acidchildknows IRC isn't support@distro.org :-]
22:35.04pickcoderacidchild: can you boot from an image if it's copied to something similar to nvram?
22:35.13acidchildyep
22:35.18acidchilddon't see why not.
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22:36.33pickcoderwithout knowing the booting process that's as far as I can brain storm
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22:36.48acidchildi'm gonna reinstall via pxe
22:36.51pickcoderI don't do PXE or debootstrap, so can't help there
22:36.52acidchildthe bios supports pxe.
22:37.13acidchild:D thanks though
22:37.39Titan8990i will be doing my first pxe install today
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22:37.59Titan8990i have 3 to go and haven't decided on OS for the first one
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22:39.43jimmybAre these error messages I should be worried about
22:39.44jimmybW: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
22:39.56flacciddebian does not rely on python for anything, so upgrading to 2.6 in lenny should be fine, right ?
22:40.12abrotmanwrong
22:40.12flaccidjimmyb: you should learn how to add keys
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22:40.25jimmyborly?
22:40.28abrotmanjimmyb: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
22:40.35jimmybthanks
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22:41.52Titan8990flaccid, not sure if it is supported in debian but you can install multiple python versions and keep 2.5 the default
22:42.06flaccidtrue
22:42.09flaccidi'll give it a shot
22:42.20flaccidpython and django are just a little outdated..
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22:43.40themillflaccid: don't change /usr/bin/python though. Doing so is like to make a lot of trouble
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22:44.47flaccidthemill: why is that ? i searched for .py and doesn't seem like debian has any scripts
22:45.55themillflaccid: ummm.... there are a *lot* of things in debian written in python. Sticking .py at the end of things isn't that common either anyway.
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22:47.18flaccidthemill: what extensions do debian use and where is these scripts then ?
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22:47.39themillflaccid: extensions are unneeded. Why use any at all?
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22:48.35flaccidvisual recognition.
22:48.39flaccidconvention.
22:48.39sylarwhich FS is recomended for 6TB size?
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22:49.08Titan8990alright, this is bugging me... is there a way to list link groups for update-alternatives or is ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives pretty much it?
22:49.13JoshHext4
22:49.52themillflaccid: It's not a unix convention at all. And the implementation of /usr/bin/frobinator should be able to change from bash to perl to python to C without the user knowing. Extensions just cloud that issue.
22:50.18JoshHTitan8990: update-alternatives --list foo
22:50.21themillflaccid: having said that, you might like to "apt-file -x search .py$" and you will find there are many many .py files in debian so however you searched earlier failed.
22:50.43flaccidthemill: i didn't say it was a unix convention.
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22:51.32Titan8990JoshH, i want it to list all possible "foo" as if i had done update-alternatives --all , but only a list
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22:51.50flaccidthemill: my search was only on base. i don't care about the rest and what i use; i don't care about the thousands of other packages. so my search didn't fail. so to check properly i would have to head every file on the filesystem - oh joy
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22:53.15JoshHTitan8990: ls /etc/alternatives?  or do you mean the possible values for each option
22:54.14Titan8990JoshH, each option and their possible value... let me give you an example
22:54.17themillflaccid: you don't have to around "heading" anything. You should just leave /usr/bin/python as it is.
22:54.25sylarJoshH, ppl said ext4 is too new
22:54.54sylaris ext3 not gona handle 6TB well?
22:54.56flaccidthemill: thats true. thing is i never planned to do so.
22:55.02flaccidyou just implied...
22:55.11JoshHmaybe xfs if you have solid power
22:55.35themillflaccid: I didn't actually, but I can't be arsed arguing.
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22:55.38Titan8990JoshH, http://pastebin.com/de2221ab
22:56.13flaccidthemill: true. you didn't imply, you assumed. common mistake.
22:56.20themill*sigh*
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22:57.17flaccidno offense :)
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22:58.47JoshHTitan8990: dunno, but you can get an ugly list like this:  cd /etc/alternatives, for i in *; do echo $i; update-alternatives --list $i; done
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22:59.58JoshHmight want to add a grep -v gz or something
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23:00.31SpeereetHello. I have a custom ramdisk that initialises LVM and maps some devices. Before I switch root, I copy all devices under the ramdisk's /dev into the new root's /dev. However, upon starting Debian, the new /dev gets populated without the previously mapped devices, thus failing to boot any further, for the root partition is under LVM. I use the same kernel for several distributions and Debian failed recently with 2.6.30. I'd like to know how Debi
23:01.01JoshHif you want to know if there's something built in that gives a prettier listing like that in your example, not that i know of
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23:01.51Titan8990alright, thanks. i had read through the man page multiple times in hopes of magically finding one
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23:05.58Titan8990JoshH, lol looks like its time to learn some perl
23:05.59toolzcan I update libc on debian from 2.7?
23:06.22toolzcurrent version is 2.10.1
23:06.22nsadminwhat version are you running now
23:06.31toolzdebian 5.0.2 has 2.7
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23:06.54nsadminso you want to run >2.7 on 5.0
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23:07.03toolzyeah another version
23:07.14themilltoolz: weren't you looking for an older libc about 2 hours ago?
23:07.16nsadminif you do that, you can break your system pretty badly
23:07.21JoshHit should be quite simple to generate a pretty list in perl actually
23:07.23JoshHor even shell
23:08.04toolzthemill I was searching and downgrading doesnt seem to be the best idea
23:08.07toolzon google
23:08.12toolzso I was thinking on upgrading
23:08.16themilltoolz: fiddling with libc at all is not a good idea
23:08.17Titan8990JoshH, well the update-alternatives script is written in perl
23:08.51toolzI know but I really need to update 2.7
23:09.19flaccidcatchyas on the flipside
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23:10.00nsadminconsider the situation on a system you build from scratch... you first have gcc and a shell, then you rebuild your gcc and shell, build libc and you then have a basic system... then you build the core utils and some other stuff, all using the libc you started with
23:10.30toolzthe machine is fresh installed
23:10.35toolzI can reinstall at any time
23:11.04Titan8990in gentoo that update requires recompiling all packages
23:11.14nsadminwith a system like this, as with debian, redhat, slackware, gentoo or some other flavor of linux from scratch, upgrading (or downgrading) libc will hose your system pretty quickly
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23:12.22nsadminif you REALLY want an updated libc, you can build your own that installs OUTSIDE any system-wide places. you can install it into some dir off your home dir, for example, and it won't interfere with the whole rest of your system.
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23:13.20azeemtoolz: it's highly unlikely that the cause of your segfault is a problem with glibc
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23:13.39TomHomehi
23:13.56azeemtoolz: it's just that the libc might segfaults if a buggy program submits bad data to it
23:13.57nsadminthen anything you build against the libc in your home dir will need a LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/you/some/thing/lib or whereever you installed libc
23:14.00TomHomedoes anyone still has a debian sarge where he can do a md5sum /bin/grep plz
23:14.17azeemTomHome: archive.debian.org has it
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23:14.25toolzazeem, I wanna try, if it wont be libc then I will be sure that the other side is wrong
23:14.38azeemtoolz: I'm sure already.
23:15.00azeemor rather, I'm sure that it's not libc
23:15.05azeemmaybe a bug in your video driver
23:15.33toolzvideo driver?
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23:15.55toolzwhat does that driver has to do with it
23:16.03TomHomeazeem: I'm on it
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23:16.08dondelelcarotoolz: what are you trying to do?
23:16.11toolzits a game server process
23:16.20TomHomewhen I asked I thought "ah I can get it from archive"
23:16.24toolzrun a gameserver hlds_i686, a counter-strike game server
23:16.34TomHomeit's mainly to see if one server is corrupted
23:16.35toolzand I keep getting in messages, and all logs
23:16.37toolzmessages like
23:16.49toolzSep 12 01:16:01 games4 kernel: [19739.426450] hlds_i686[6789]: segfault at e5fdc8 ip f7dd799c sp ffd03f80 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[f7d72000+14c000]
23:16.57dondelelcarotoolz: is there any reason why you can't rebuild that gameserver, turn on coredumps, and examine it?
23:17.01zinxthat's because valve can't code worth crap :P
23:17.09zinxdondelelcaro: it's closed source
23:17.15dondelelcaroheh
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23:17.41dondelelcarotoolz: well, you certainly can turn on coredumps and backtrace the part that's calling libc6; it's almost certainly because of a bug in the gameserver
23:17.45zinxtoolz: your problem is not with libc
23:17.51toolzdondelelcaro, I installed the default valve
23:17.52toolzsame shit
23:17.55toolzit kills me
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23:18.03dondelelcarotoolz: it's most likely buggy. Wouldn't be the first time
23:18.32dondelelcaroif you actually had the source, you could compile it and fix the bug, but without it, you're in a crapshoot.
23:18.42lxsameerhi i have a big problem with erlang-wx_13.b.1-dfsg-6_amd64.deb i can't download it , i try different servers and different protocol like http ftp rsync but i get in until 91% and my dl speed decrease to 0
23:18.54dondelelcarotoolz: you also may try running an un-optimized build to see if that helps
23:19.35azeemtoolz: do you have libc6-686 installed?
23:20.00toolzI also get this: kernel:[23576.490623] Bad pagetable: 001d [1] SMP
23:20.47toolzI only noticed /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6-i386
23:20.58toolzI run debian 5.0.2a amd64
23:21.04azeemI see
23:21.05toolz2.6.26-2-amd64
23:21.14azeemmaybe that game server isn't very stable on 64bit
23:21.20toolzI think so
23:21.35toolzcause they work fine on the other machines which use bigmem i686
23:21.46azeemyou didn't mention that before
23:21.59toolzyeah
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23:22.14toolzsucks, so to move to i386 I need to reinstall?
23:22.37azeemyes
23:22.40azeemwell
23:22.49azeemfor a single game server, you could setup a 32bit chroot
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23:22.59toolzno. I host more
23:23.10dondelelcarowell, try testing it in a 32 bit chroot
23:23.10toolzreinstalling!
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23:23.14toolzok
23:23.19toolzI dont know how to
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23:23.46azeem!chroot
23:23.46dpkga way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system
23:23.52AnthroDoes anyone know offhand if there's a version of gcc (available in Debian) with support for C blocks, a.k.a. closures?
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23:25.32kdasdasfis there a way to speed up an svn checkout over https?
23:25.40kdasdasfhere it runs about 120kib/sec
23:25.54kdasdasfbut the machines are connected with fastethernet
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23:28.27dondelelcarokdasdasf: depends on why it's running slowly
23:28.59kdasdasfdondelelcaro, how could i find out why it's running slow? the only thing i see is that requests aren't run paralell
23:29.06kdasdasfboth machines are at zero load
23:29.37dondelelcarokdasdasf: how is the entropy on the server?
23:29.57kdasdasfdondelelcaro: entropy?
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23:30.05dondelelcaro!entropy
23:30.05dpkgEntropy is a measure of randomness or disorder. One of the thermodynamic properties of a system, it is always increasing in a closed system. The second law of thermodynamics (You can't break even), and large parts of information theory deal with entropy.
23:30.24kdasdasflike file system fragmentation?
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23:30.39dondelelcarokdasdasf: /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
23:30.48kdasdasfaah
23:30.51kdasdasfbecause of ssl
23:30.54dondelelcaroright
23:30.55kdasdasfi understand
23:30.55kdasdasfmom
23:31.29dondelelcarokdasdasf: the other issue could be bad network between the machines; but assuming you can get linespeed transfers using http, that's probably not the problem
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23:31.53dondelelcaro(though I'd expect the load to be 1 while this was happening if it was blocking on entropy)
23:31.57kdasdasf3280 @ entropy_avail
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23:32.07dondelelcaroyeah, that seems reasonable
23:32.23kdasdasfi even can get line speed when copying files over ssh
23:32.34kdasdasfjust svn checkouts are slow as hell
23:32.51dondelelcarokdasdasf: hrm. can you try a checkout using svn+ssh?
23:32.57Anthrodondelelcaro: I never knew about that. My entropy seems to be under 200. Is that bad?
23:33.06dondelelcaroAnthro: for normal things, no
23:33.16kdasdasfdondelelcaro ok wait @ svn+ssh
23:33.39toolzhow do I disable selinux
23:33.49dondelelcarotoolz: it's not enabled by default in Debian
23:34.11toolzwhich is the file
23:34.19kdasdasfhmm
23:34.19toolzto enable/disable
23:34.29kdasdasfdoesn't work at all @ svn+ssh
23:34.36kdasdasfbut i guess thats somehow my fault
23:34.40dondelelcarotoolz: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup
23:34.43kdasdasfhave to debug it
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23:37.29dominiqhello folks
23:37.31dondelelcaro(other things that I can think of are that you've got mod_bw or something installed on the server)
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23:38.03manizzlehey guys, i have problem, my AWUS036H using a rtl8187l chipset is running under debian in a vmware, however, when i type, iwlist scan
23:38.04manizzleit says
23:38.05dominiqdoes anyone know how to "press enter" in bash command? the good way is to use ^M produced by ctrl+v... but it's not an option, i need a CR code
23:38.19manizzleinterface does not support scanning, network is down
23:38.24manizzlewhat does this mean?
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23:39.35toolzbbl..
23:39.45kibombowhere is mplayer without the fancy gtk bindings?
23:40.01elli222Hi, i just noticed that X-Chat's connect button has a _ in it, so it says C_onnect, is there a version of X-Chat that has this bug fixed? its a bit annoying...
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23:42.07dlyneskibombo: don't run it as 'gmplayer'; run it as 'mplayer' in a terminal window
23:42.26abrotmanelli222: it's in the BTS, but i don't see that the patch has been applied yet
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23:42.47elli222D:
23:42.48dlynesdominiq: you mean stuff a carriage return in the keyboard buffer?
23:43.22dondelelcarokdasdasf: at least here, it goes at somewhere near 2-3M/s, with the CPU on the server pegged
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23:43.30manizzlehey guys, i have problem, my AWUS036H using a rtl8187l chipset is running under debian in a vmware, however, when i type, iwlist scan, it says, interface does not support scanning, network is down, what does this mean?
23:44.18kibombodlynes: oh okay, i see. it just automatically opens with gmplayer in iceweasel
23:44.25kibombothank you
23:44.30petemcmanizzle: is debian running vmware, or is vmware running debian?
23:44.38dondelelcaro(granted, the server isn't particularly fast, and it's running megabit ethernet)
23:44.47dondelelcaros/megabit/100 &/
23:44.53manizzlewindows is running vmware which is running debian
23:45.11petemcmanizzle: does vmware emulate a wireless card for debian?
23:45.12dlynesmanizzle fer shizzle yer whizzle
23:45.35manizzlepetemc, no, im using a usb dongle connected to the vmware
23:45.52petemcmanizzle: is debian aware of this dongle?
23:45.56manizzleyes
23:45.58manizzleit is
23:46.08manizzleiwconfig confirms the dongle
23:46.14manizzleas well as ifconfig -a
23:46.16petemcmanizzle: does debian have the required drivers and firmware for this dongle?
23:46.37manizzleyes, it is natively supported by linux
23:46.45manizzleit is this card
23:46.46manizzlehttp://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-73/Alfa-AWUS036H-500mW-USB/Detail.bok
23:46.51petemcmanizzle: i should probably point out, ive never used a wireless card within vmware
23:47.34petemcmanizzle: most often, wireless cards need additional firmware in debian
23:47.49petemcif not all the time
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23:51.14abrotmanelli222: FWIW .. it's a one line fix if you feel comfortable making your own package
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23:53.42elli222it might always be possible with a hex editor,  but im probably wrong
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23:57.37dominiqdlynes: yes
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23:58.17abrotmanelli222: uhm .. you can just make the package .. not really that hard

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