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00:05.37RadSurferwhew! files backed up.
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00:06.52RadSurfernew_xorg.conf is an astonishing incredible stupendous 0-bytes long!
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00:07.21RadSurferxorg.conf.new is 2.8 kb however
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00:09.05RadSurfer2http://pastebin.org/2626  <-- the new xorg.conf
00:09.48abrotmanRadSurfer2: and what did beardy tell you to do with that?
00:10.04RadSurfer2I don't like the bottom, it isn't showing the screen resolutions
00:10.16RadSurfer2shouldn't I be seeing 1024/800/640 stuff?
00:14.24RadSurfer2looks a bit raw to me
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00:15.15RadSurfer2at any rate. I have da most important stuff backed up. if I do decide to try something else.
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00:15.28RadSurfer2so what is the proper driver name to put in there, just so I am certain, please?
00:15.41RadSurfer2I'll try this, but I'll be amazed if it works :)
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00:16.05RadSurfer2line #74
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00:16.57beardyRadSurfer2: Change "nv" to "nvidia". Configure the resolution to what you want. Restart X to try the new configuration, '/etc/init.d/?dm restart'. Copy this message to a textfile, print it, read it and follow it until it works. Over and out.
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00:23.10RadSurferI do not believe this.
00:23.18CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, don't interrupt his thought process
00:23.28CutMeOwnThroatI feel he's not really asking...
00:23.28C0dpeI edited a file (a shell script) on windows and sent it via sftp to my server.. now when I try t to run it it gives me an error: /usr/local/pgsql/bin/pgtclsh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory. When I try to edit it with pico, i can see in the bottom a message "Converted from DOS format". I think that that^M that appears and causes the erro may be due the codification
00:23.33CutMeOwnThroat"write-only"
00:23.37RadSurferI went from stellarium reporting 0.01 fps, to 0.55 fps.  All that for .4 more fps
00:23.41C0dpehow can I convert it back to a  nix format?
00:23.57dkrC0dpe: dos2unix
00:24.01beardy!tofrodos
00:24.01dpkgtofrodos is the package that contains fromdos and todos, tools to convert textfiles between DOS and Unix. Also ask me about <dos2unix>
00:24.16C0dpedkr Thank you!
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00:24.31C0dpealryght.
00:24.49RadSurferAt least we have OpenGL support, apparently. sheesh!
00:24.54dkror perl -pi -e's/\cM//' file   to delete all ^Ms
00:25.24lcukRadSurfer :O wow, 550% speed boost!
00:25.42RadSurferhey. Stellarium idle... shows 0.55fps, moving the location with the mouse NOW SHOWS 30 fps!
00:26.00RadSurferSo this *is* apparently working now.
00:26.08lcukmost programs when idle will sleep
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00:26.29RadSurferSo we did it! teamwork prevails! Couldn't have done it w/out you guys
00:26.53beardyYou can say that again.
00:28.22RadSurferNow to back up this xorg.conf !!
00:28.24adama_!next
00:28.24dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
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00:30.06pjjhm anyone could recommend a CLI iso burning program?
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00:30.51pl4yer0nepjj: burn
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00:33.02amphipjj: wodim
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00:38.17pjjthanks :)
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00:47.17RadSurferWhy did the fonts change so radically?
00:47.36RadSurferI can use "appearances" to fix that I suppose?
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00:49.54MadMoneyRadSurfer: Linux isn't for the desktop.
00:50.19MadMoneyIf I ever put that on desktops at work, I would be fired.
00:50.37MadMoneyLook at defoma, RadSurfer.
00:51.06abrotmanuses it on desktops
00:51.32adb uses it on desktops
00:51.45MadMoneyYou guys have it good, then.
00:51.53abrotmanor you have a bad boss ? :)
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00:52.16MadMoneyMy boss only wants Linux if he can use his own distribution.
00:52.41MadMoneyHe's been working on graphics for it in Paintshop Pro.
00:52.53abrotmanhehe
00:52.54MadMoneyworks for an idiot.
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00:53.18MadMoneyHe refers to it as "Linux 95"
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00:54.08lotharngive him gentoo and then quit
00:55.37lotharnmake sure you print out the entire manual for him
00:55.48lotharni'm sure he'll appreaciate that
00:55.48abrotmananyways ...
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01:24.20FictheMy CD drive isn't functional -- how can I do the shrinking of existing partitions so as to create free and unallocated space to put Debian on? perhaps something can be put on a usb drive?
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01:28.22zinxFicthe: dunno about your location, but around here a DVD burner is $20-$30
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01:31.35Ficthezinx, ookay. and I assume configuring it so that the pc boots on the dvd drive shouldn't be an issue?
01:31.41Ficthei.e., that it should 'just work'?
01:31.55zinxFicthe: if you have a computer made this side of 2000, yes
01:32.17FictheYep. Okay then. wish me luck.
01:32.20zinxFicthe: you can change the boot order, but they usually default to booting from CD first
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01:58.12CutMeOwnThroatbrad1, what do YOU think?
01:58.22abrotmando you want ot use them ?
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02:36.16FersureHello. I've been having some problems mounting my vista partition on Debian stable (lenny). Namely that it won't mount via the GUI at all. And I can't mount it via CLI either. I have both ntfstools and ntfs-3g installed.
02:36.56FersureIs there anything obvious that I'm missing? Using Gnome, btw.
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02:38.41FersureI swear I remember getting it to mount on Debian before, too. >.< So annoying.
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02:40.01CutMeOwnThroat!ntfsrw
02:40.01dpkgIf you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>).  See also <user accessible ntfs>.
02:40.07CutMeOwnThroatgrr
02:40.16CutMeOwnThroat!ntfs-3g
02:40.17dpkgrumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance.  Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions).  Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage .  Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
02:40.44FersureThanks. :)
02:41.02CutMeOwnThroatthe usage examples are copy&paste&edit
02:41.09CutMeOwnThroatand dunno about gnomes
02:41.17CutMeOwnThroatexcept that you sometimes find them in gardens
02:41.40FersureLol.
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02:41.54CutMeOwnThroatso you're on your own with your gnome
02:42.25CutMeOwnThroatadding an fstab entry might help in a general way, though
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02:43.39FersureYay. Finally got it to work. :D
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02:51.12FEMAcamperwhat do i have to put in sources.list to get libpcap1 ?
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02:56.15\amethystsid still has libpcap0.8
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03:06.49cisticolaGreetings, what is simplest tool to connect reliably, one at a time, to a variety of different keyed wireless networks through a laptop?
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03:10.26Lnscisticola, try wicd
03:10.56ic56I want to build a program.  It requires a library.  I found the library file in a .deb and I apt-got it.  But the corresponding C include files weren't in that .deb .  I don't want the full source for the library
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03:11.18buuic56: -dev
03:12.01Faithfulanyone in here familiar with intel serverboards... there is a option HTN to set FSB to 1066MHz on 1333MHZ when 2 CPUs are installed... anyone know what that is about?
03:12.17FaithfulFSB HTN Mode (Enable/Disable)   (Enable) "The FSB clock will be reduced to 1066MHz when dual 1333MHz Intel Xeon processor 5400 series are installed"
03:12.26MadMoneyTry ##hardware
03:12.29ic56buu: yea, I tried that but there doesn't seem to be a -dev for this package.  Is that an omission of the .deb's producer or is there some other convention?
03:12.49buuic56: Sounds like an omission
03:13.16ic56buu: alright. I guess I'll have to dig in to make this happen.  Thank you.
03:13.37buuGood luck.
03:13.44buuRecall you can apt-get source
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03:14.23FaithfulMadMoney, Yeah... tried there... I got a RTM... you would think anyone
03:14.43FaithfulI just got off the phone to intel and I got the answer...
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03:16.02ic56buu: yes, I already did apt-get source.  But it's more complicated than that.  Have to figure out what /usr/include subdirectories are required.  The configure script is tiresome to read.  I know, I'm being lazy.  I should instead relish the opportunity to build the -dev and contribute it.
03:16.09FaithfulIt was in the bios because there was a know issue of Server 2003 BSOD when 5400 series run at 1333MHz
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03:42.01Docvet95I guess - well if you don't mind than could you just go to
03:42.01Docvet95http://www.terragaming.net/index.php?ref=docvet and then you can quit out, every time someone goes to the link I get something in a game
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03:42.52Gurpartapany guide to have the lightest server setup on debian with php?
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03:43.04Gurpartapwith lighttpd, maybe
03:43.13el_critterHi, how can I install a package without its recommended and suggested packages?
03:43.37Gurpartapel_critter: by pressing enter
03:45.33adbel_critter: suggested  is not installed automatically , for recommended modify apt.conf
03:46.34el_critterYou are right... sorry for my mistake. Now, being more specific, I want to install unixodbc-dev and there are a lot of dependencies listed to install that I'm really sure I don't need (like true type fonts) because I'm installing an asterisk server.
03:47.59adbjudd: depends unixodbc-dev
03:47.59juddadb: unixodbc-dev -- Depends: unixodbc (= 2.2.11-16), odbcinst1debian1 (= 2.2.11-16), libodbcinstq1c2 (= 2.2.11-16), libltdl3-dev
03:48.51el_critterThe following NEW packages will be installed:
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03:49.43adbel_critter: as said modify apt.conf
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03:54.43el_critteradb: ok will do that
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03:58.55adbel_critter: or   man aptitude,  see option -R, --without-recommends
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03:59.56nirupamahow to run a shell script automatically without using terminal
04:00.01nirupamacommand
04:00.27magnuXnirupama, when you want to run it?
04:00.30nirupamaThat script is in usb and it should get executed by itself.How?Any help
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04:01.02nirupamamagnuX, I want that script to be executed automatically when by usb pen drive is mounted
04:02.02adbnirupama: still asked that , no ?
04:02.40nirupamamagnuX, is it possible
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04:03.47magnuXnirupama, I think so, thinking how to do it
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04:04.26nirupamamagnuX, I am also google but still did not find any solution
04:04.42CutMeOwnThroatGurpartap, unselect everything the installer lets you unselect, boot and run aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart;
04:05.46nirupamamagnuX, can we do as follows.My script available in pen drive should get copied to /etc/init.d/myscript and a link should be created to /etc/rc2.d/Smyscript
04:05.50GurpartapCutMeOwnThroat, you mean in new deb installation right?
04:06.01CutMeOwnThroatyes
04:06.02Gurpartapto "unselect"
04:06.03nirupamamagnuX, will that work
04:06.05Gurpartapok cool
04:06.22CutMeOwnThroatGurpartap, the installer asks you if you want to install a desktop environment etc.
04:06.30nirupamamagnuX, that should happen as soon as usb pen drive is mounted
04:06.32CutMeOwnThroatwell, you probably want to select "webserver" there
04:06.50nirupamamagnuX, Oh but how.WHo will run that script ?
04:07.04magnuXnirupama, the difficult thing isnt that, it will make the script started with the system but the difficult thing is what is inside the script
04:07.12magnuXnirupama, what do you really want to do?
04:07.30CutMeOwnThroatnirupama, eww, you mean like... a virus/worm does...
04:07.49GurpartapCutMeOwnThroat, oh i thought not even webserver..
04:07.53nirupamamagnuX, Inside the script i have just kept two lines to open an application
04:08.26nirupamamagnuX, and I want that application to be opened as soon as usb is inserted
04:09.29nirupamamagnuX, without any mouse click.I mean i should not execute the script manually
04:10.33adbnirupama: you still ignored people here , why ?
04:10.53nirupamaadb, I didn't get you
04:11.13adband CutMeOwnThroat ?
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04:14.47lotharnis there a way to get apt to compile from source by default?
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04:15.16magnuXlotharn, apt-build
04:15.28Gurpartapwhen would sources deliver next stable release of a pkg, say php 5.3.0?
04:15.34lotharn!apt-build
04:15.34dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
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04:16.58CutMeOwnThroatadb?
04:17.19Gurpartap?
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04:17.31CutMeOwnThroat!
04:17.32Kamping_Kaiserapt-source -b
04:17.45Gurpartap?!
04:18.00Kamping_Kaiser*apt-get source -b
04:18.24adb[ 06:07:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> nirupama, eww, you mean like... a virus/worm does...
04:18.42GurpartapKamping_Kaiser, ah thanks
04:19.11lotharn!apt-source -b
04:19.34nirupamaadb, Not exactly.I am interested in just to run a small application automatically from usb.
04:20.23CutMeOwnThroatadb, right... I caught up a bit later :)
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04:21.21CutMeOwnThroatnirupama, my point was, that that's not-a-good-idea(TM)
04:21.32CutMeOwnThroatwhich is why, it isnt possible
04:21.35CutMeOwnThroatexcept under windows
04:21.47CutMeOwnThroatat least I hope so
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04:22.56nirupamaCutMeOwnThroat, But I think I am going to use it for personal use so I dont see any harm in doing so?Isnt it
04:23.51CutMeOwnThroatnirupama, you mean you want to configure your own machine to look for a certain file?
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04:24.35nirupamaCutMeOwnThroat, yes.That should be when I insert usb the script available in usb should run by itself.How?
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04:26.30CutMeOwnThroatnirupama, udev...
04:26.33CutMeOwnThroathttp://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-run
04:28.36nirupamaCutMeOwnThroat, ok I am going through the link and will get back to you
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04:32.06CutMeOwnThroatso you probably want a wrapper script somewhere in /usr/local/bin that looks for a script and runs it
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04:50.17Faithfulhow do I make lvm start after drbd ?
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04:55.35Trizicusdoes debian officially support 2.6.30?
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04:58.09langyuthe highest version is 2.6.26?
04:58.17langyuat present
04:58.35CapsoUpon apt-get update, is it possible to specify somewhere the names of the files in /var/lib/apt/lists ?
04:58.37Trizicusi thought you could apt-get newest?
04:59.37CapsoI would like different filenames for Dir::State::Lists files
04:59.42langyuhehe,maybe~~
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05:02.08funyuni am having this problem. http://jon.netdork.net/2009/06/28/debian-lenny-and-tab-auto-complete but when i try to fix it by doing what that page tells me, i get this error. "usermod: no flags given" anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
05:03.47CapsoIs there an apt.conf directive for what I've mentioned above?
05:04.10mahermy emacs dissappeared with a crtl-Z - how do i get it back?
05:04.30maherdoh - found it
05:04.38xshadowfireis it possible for a file over a certain size to not reach a peer over http due to routing issues or otherwise?
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05:05.06langyureplay mather  you should print "fg"
05:05.29xshadowfireseems like everyone (or at least 3, anyways) people using cox can't access files on my server over ~1.2K
05:05.35maherlangyu: it got iconifed and i had forgotten where the iconified things go
05:05.38xshadowfireer
05:05.39xshadowfire-people
05:06.05xshadowfirethis happened recently, btw
05:06.08lotharnxshadowfire, yeah that happens
05:06.12xshadowfiredue to routing?
05:06.26lotharncan be. or it can be the ip stack
05:06.36lotharndo a traceroute
05:07.02lotharnwhich services?
05:07.22xshadowfirehttp
05:07.22Capsoxshadowfire, It's most often best to split and transfer
05:07.40maherxshadowfire: if you have strange mtu settings
05:07.41xshadowfirepretty sure it's not just my httpd, because both apache and nginx aren't working
05:07.47xshadowfiremaher: never modified them
05:07.58Capsoxshadowfire, The cable provider might limit your outgoing bandwidth
05:08.00xshadowfirelotharn: traceroute doesn't complete
05:08.01lotharndoes dmesg yell at you?
05:08.06xshadowfirelotharn: nope
05:08.15lotharncall cox
05:08.19lotharnask them
05:08.30lotharnwhere does the connection terminate?
05:08.39CapsoIs there any way to use apt-get without having files in /var/lib/apt/lists ?
05:08.41xshadowfire11  wsip-70-182-122-94.ks.ks.cox.net (70.182.122.94)  38.687 ms  37.913 ms  38.166 ms
05:08.42xshadowfire12  * * *
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05:08.51lotharnis there alot of jitter in the pings?
05:09.02xshadowfirejitter?
05:09.08lotharnping variance
05:09.16xshadowfirenot really
05:09.24lotharnk
05:09.29lotharnprolly cox then
05:10.04lotharnyou can't do anything other than set your mtu to 1000 and hope it doesn't break anything
05:10.09CapsoAnyone have any ideas regarding my question?
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05:10.28xshadowfirelotharn: the person using cox can traceroute my server, though
05:10.31xshadowfireif that means anything
05:10.34lotharnim sure
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05:10.42lotharnwell sort of
05:10.49lotharnnot really
05:11.17lotharnyou have to verify it over another protocol to confirm it
05:12.08xshadowfirehm
05:12.12lotharnmost likely theres a cox router malfunctioning or somthing along those lines and dropping packets due to overload
05:12.16xshadowfireI can't traceroute myself either
05:12.19xshadowfirebut I don't have problems
05:12.35lotharncan you ping localhost?
05:12.45xshadowfireon my server or on my own computer?
05:13.55lotharnserver
05:14.05lotharnyou should prolly call your datacenter
05:14.08xshadowfireyes
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05:14.40lotharnthey probably wont havea good answer either, but cox isnt know for qos
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05:15.52lotharnthere probably isn't anything wrong
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05:16.10xshadowfirejust cox being dumb? :/
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05:16.52lotharnyeah
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05:17.28lotharnor bgp or sometyhing like that, but you havent any control over that
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05:28.24nirupamahow to execute the udev rule
05:29.05nirupamaI added a rule in /etc/udev/run.rules
05:29.05nirupamabut its not working
05:29.47xshadowfireseems like packets 1469 bytes and up drop
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05:35.04Fictheif I've arranged unallocated space, getting a dual-boot should be pretty simple in the installer, correct?
05:37.25richardcavellFicthe: yes
05:38.06Fictheokay, thanks. :)
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05:39.12nirupamahow to run a udev rule and check if my program is working
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05:49.02xshadowfirelotharn: do you know how to read a traceroute? :>
05:49.11xshadowfiremake sense of, rather
05:49.26lotharnyeah
05:49.38lotharnput it in #flood
05:49.48xshadowfirehttp://pastebin.com/m37758514
05:49.49xshadowfireoh
05:49.52xshadowfire*shrug*
05:49.57xshadowfirethat works too right <.<
05:50.09xshadowfirefdc said that the problem was when it was still routing through cox
05:50.21xshadowfireI don't know how to read traceroutes so <.<
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05:50.51xshadowfireis it those 3 routers timing out?
05:51.00lotharnno
05:51.10oh_noesIs this the correct syntax?  It's not liking it:  # ufw allow from port 5678/tcp to port 5690/tcp
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05:53.52lotharnxshadowfire, it looks like theres some jitter on the comcast backbone
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05:54.29xshadowfireI still don't get jitter
05:54.35xshadowfireit's just ping variance?
05:54.37lotharnnow run a 5 minute ping with 3 different packet sizes
05:54.53lotharnjitter speaks to the routers efficiency
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05:55.10lotharna laggy router will experience more jitter
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05:56.05xshadowfirebe-10-201-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net is the first router the user experiences problems with
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05:57.06xshadowfireif there's jitter does that mean there's a difference between min and max on the same packet size or between the different packet sizes?
05:57.51lotharnsame
05:57.57lotharnin that circumstance
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05:58.39lotharnyoure pushing specific packets here and there, you just have to test the connection
05:59.08xshadowfirewhy would jitter cause all packets over a certain size to drop though?
05:59.15xshadowfire1477 is the limit
05:59.17xshadowfireor rather
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05:59.21xshadowfire1476 is the limit
05:59.23xshadowfire1477 drops
05:59.43lotharnnot neccessarily but maybe
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06:00.01lotharnwhats the servers max mtu?
06:00.10lotharnprolly 1500
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06:00.30lotharn!mtu
06:00.31dpkgmethinks mtu is Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - ask me about <interfaces> - or set as a <pppd> option (man 8 pppd).
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06:00.54ZayaHello... I need some help with just basic questions about install... anyone have time to help
06:01.08xshadowfireshould be 1500, that's default  and I haven't touched it
06:01.09xshadowfirelet me check
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06:02.18ZayaI cant figure out what I am doing wrong... I cant get the install disk to work... i am trying the i386 net install
06:02.48xshadowfirewell there's no mtu specified in interfaces
06:02.55xshadowfireso it defaults to 1500, right?
06:03.01lotharni think
06:03.06lotharnman it
06:03.31lotharnyou could just drop it some
06:03.35SindikatHi guys! Where is the page with Debian sources? I can't find it on the Debian site
06:03.42lotharnprolly in sysctrl
06:03.45xshadowfireEthernet                             1500
06:03.48rozieZaya: how you prepare the disc?
06:03.49xshadowfireyeah should be
06:04.14Zayai downloaded it from the link on debian.org
06:04.35rozieno, you downloaded image
06:04.42roziehow do you burn it?
06:04.51Zayajust on a cd
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06:05.11rozieOK, and if you open CD, what files can you see?
06:06.02Zayaif i try and open it it goes to install
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06:06.52Zayathe comp i am trying to use it on has no OS
06:06.59oh_noesIs this the correct syntax?  It's not liking it:  # ufw allow from port 5678/tcp to port 5690/tcp
06:07.04Zayai am brand new and trying to lean linux... and been pulling my hair for the last week
06:07.05roziedoes it boot from cd?
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06:07.17Zayawell, i set it for that
06:07.32Zayabut it doesnt pick it up
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06:07.47roziethat's the problem
06:08.04Zayawhen i try and load it on my laptop and have it set to boot from cd first it doesnt load up either
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06:08.34roziemaybe it doesn't read the disc?
06:08.41dserban_does du take into account inode/block size when asked?
06:08.58Zayabut why wouldnt it load up on boot on my laptop then?
06:09.26dserban_I have a 500g drive, with 200g's of real data on it, but the system tells me that i have 0 bytes available and 452g used...  is this a blocksize problem or is it something more sinister?
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06:10.23Zayaare you familiar with the Dell bios? on what changes need to be made... so i can see if i have it right?
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06:14.16richardcavellany xmodmap experts here:
06:14.18richardcavell?
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06:15.38superjoewhere are my DNS settings?
06:15.42superjoeI think my primary one is failing
06:16.46VerusGladiatorsuperjoe: /etc/resolv.conf
06:17.17superjoeaha! culprit!
06:17.18VerusGladiatorI mean the DNS server IPs.
06:17.18superjoethanks
06:17.40superjoeyes
06:17.51superjoeit was set to 192.168.0.1 when it should have been 192.168.1.1
06:17.57superjoewhat do I restart for this
06:18.09VerusGladiatorI don't know.
06:18.32superjoenetworking should do it, don't you think
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06:18.50superjoesweet! instant DNS lookups
06:19.02VerusGladiatorBut when you figure that out and if the DNS IP changes again, you should use chattr on /etc/resolv.conf
06:19.11VerusGladiatorI'm new to Debian.
06:19.13superjoechattr?
06:19.21VerusGladiatorIt's a command.
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06:19.37VerusGladiatorTo make the file immutable.
06:19.45superjoeah I see
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06:24.03nirupamaHi all
06:24.31nirupamaI have added the following line in 90-myscript.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ACTION=="add",SYSFS{idVendor}=="054c",SYSFS{idProduct}=="0243",RUN+="/root/Desktop/autorun"
06:24.44nirupamabut when i reload it it does not work
06:24.47nirupamawhy
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06:26.50DominicusI recently installed Debian 5.0.2. I have iceweasel installed, and I'd like to install the flash plugin. But every flash plugin I have tried, has resulted in working video, but no audio. Does anyone know how to resolve this?
06:26.57nirupamaanybody available
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06:29.05neo8848hi everyone, i've previously used eclipse pdt on debian via installing from tar, recently i've decided to use the downloadable iso's for installation
06:29.27neo8848while i did not have problems on a test install, using synaptic for eclipse only
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06:29.51neo8848the second test i did was via installeing jre and jdk first, and upon installation of eclipse,
06:29.54Doctor_Nickhay
06:30.05Doctor_Nickdoes anyone here know about software raid
06:30.13neo8848the app gets error on initialization
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06:31.55Dominicusneo8848: You'll want to incluse a pastebin link for what the error is. Hopefully someone will see it that can help you.
06:32.09DominicusDoctor_Nick: I have limited software raid knowledge. What's up?
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06:32.19Doctor_Nicki can't mount my raid5 array
06:32.26Doctor_Nickim gettin "cannot read superblock" errors
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06:32.33Doctor_Nickxfs filesystem managed by lvm2
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06:34.10DominicusDoctor_Nick: Recovery issues. That doesn't sound like fun at all. Unforunately, I've never had to recover from filesystem troubles like that before. I'm just running raid1+encryption+lvm. At least you've stated the problem now. Hopefully someone else will be able to help.
06:34.29Doctor_Nickok
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06:37.32neo8848Dominicus : here is the link -> http://pastebin.com/d6f3058dc
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06:41.06neo8848@everyone: the issue i've asked about seems to be inherent with the lenny release, i just wanted to know if it was me or the distro anyway
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06:43.14GurpartapWhere to find options used in php configure from command line?
06:44.25Gurpartapor which are decent configure script's options for php 5.3.0 on debian lenny?
06:44.38Gurpartapanyone? :P
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06:45.49neo8848i can't decide how 'decent' is but most "lamp apt" how to on the web will do just fine
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06:46.25neo8848it'll ultimately depend on your requirements, usage of gd2, xsl and other extensions etc.
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06:47.55xshadowfirehm
06:48.12xshadowfireI remember I found the debian configure options before but I forgot how <________<
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07:15.22nirupamayik, are you there
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07:17.33yikyes nirupama
07:17.37yikI am here now :)
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07:17.56yikDid you get the usb autorun to work, nirupama?
07:18.02nirupamayik, thankyou.you have idea about udev rules
07:18.33yikNot too much I am afraid :( I always have to look at other example rules when configuring udev
07:18.35nirupamayik, I was able to invoke the application only when I run the script manually.But I want that script should be ran from the system
07:18.36yikWhat are you trying to do?
07:19.04yiknirupama: You can run that script in the background and have it start when the system starts.. with /etc/init.d scripts
07:19.20nirupamayik, I came to know that udev rules could do that.I added a 90-myscript.rules file udev rules.d directory
07:19.30yikI see!
07:19.33yikThat's a good idea
07:19.37nirupamayik, thats what i dont want to do
07:19.50yikYes the udev idea is much better
07:20.07nirupamayik, it will be very easy to add the script in runlevel and system will take care
07:20.25nirupamabut suppose I am using a live cd then from where will the script run
07:20.38yikoh hm..
07:21.10yikI don't think you can do it with a live cd unless you customize it yourself.. not a very easy operation
07:21.11nirupamayik, so my query is even if I added the rule in udev I am not getting the output
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07:21.22yikOh?
07:21.25nirupamayik,hmm
07:21.37yikWhat output? Do you mean the program will not run?
07:21.47nirupamawhereas the script when ran from terminal gives output
07:22.05yikOh yes I see.. yes.. that is expected
07:22.11yikYou need to modify the script
07:22.27nirupamayik, yes the script is not invoked even if i added the following lines ACTION=="add",SYSFS{idVendor}=="054c",SYSFS{idProduct}=="0243",RUN+="/root/Desktop/autorun"
07:22.39yikOh!
07:23.01yikMaybe udev needs to be reloaded somehow?
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07:23.11nirupamawhere autorun is my script which i kept on dekstop for timebeing
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07:23.54yiknirupama: I think you need to reload udev configuration after you add that
07:24.02yik<PROTECTED>
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07:25.01nirupamayik, yes i did using udevcontrol reload_rules
07:25.07yikI see
07:25.10nirupamayik, but no use
07:25.28nirupamayik, it did not work.I am seeing if someone here can help me
07:25.46yikYes. Sorry but I cannot help you more with this :(
07:26.26nirupamayik, your help was admirable and I am happy thank you very much
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07:32.48amolhi to all,i have debian etch installed ..my scanner 03f0:4c17 hp M1522 is not getting detected.but printing works fine.
07:32.49ShredZWhen I want to do something to a couple of files I tend to for i in `find . -name ....`;do something;done, but when i contains folders or filenames that contain spaces, this approach fails, any quick fixes to this ?
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07:34.39davidronalddoesn't it work to put the names in ""? "filename"
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07:36.05Tiffonnas
07:36.35unopdavidronald, nope, it's the way wordplitting works i.e. the output of find is just a bunch of words that for iterates over.
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07:47.25outlaw84is there a way to get 'find' to find files with uppercase names?
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07:48.30joltcanoutlaw84: -iname
07:50.32outlaw84joltcan: I need to only get the once with uppercase
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07:51.30joltcanoutlaw84: that sounds strange, in that case you might have to add some additional regex
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07:52.14unopoutlaw84,  find . ! -name "*[[:lower:]]*"
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07:54.35outlaw84unop: thanks
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07:56.37LRGhey
07:56.43LRGanyone here can help me with this ?
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07:57.12yikwith.. what, LRG?
07:57.18LRGStarting MySQL database server: mysqld/usr/sbin/mysqld: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/mysqld)
07:57.18LRG./usr/sbin/mysqld: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/mysqld)
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07:57.45LRGfuck
07:57.48LRGdidnt mean to paste all of it
07:57.49LRGbut yea
07:58.06LRGits the no version information bit
07:58.10LRGi get it installing
07:58.21LRGand even removing
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07:59.16charitwoLRG: please watch the language
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07:59.49LRGokay
07:59.54LRGmy bad
08:00.12LRGso can you help me?
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08:00.51charitwonever seen that error before
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08:01.31LRGgreat
08:01.38LRGbut how do i fix it?
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08:03.57LRG...
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08:05.31LRGlibz.so.1
08:05.37LRGi havent got that file it wants
08:06.03yopyophello, what can i use to lock screen ? i use to install xlock for my students but package is only avaible in sid (im on stable), i installed it but it doesnt use the pam config i have, only use the pam_unix and it should use pam_ldap like gdm, ssh, etc do.
08:06.05Liquid-did you install with apt-get?
08:06.46Liquid-to LRG
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08:07.10Liquid-yopyop, never used it, if you made a custom build, could always edit the config
08:07.36LRGyea Liquid-
08:07.50Liquid-thats odd, apt-get should have installed everything you needed
08:07.56Liquid-never seen that eror before, you tried googling?
08:08.03Liquid-edit the config at all?
08:08.05LRGya ubuntu users have it
08:08.10LRGbut never been asnwered
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08:08.28Liquid-thats odd
08:08.29yopyopbut if i use the sid src to build the package, apt-get build-dep would install package from sid right ?
08:08.36Liquid-it doesn't look like a "file not found" error
08:08.52Liquid-depends yopyop
08:08.59LRGi was guessing Liquid-
08:08.59Liquid-if i have to get a package from testing or what not
08:09.08LRGi really need to get it fxied
08:09.12Liquid-i usually build it myself, and install all packages manually
08:09.15Liquid-then use checkinstall
08:09.21Liquid-so i have a .deb file to use in the future, if it works
08:09.28fireba11Liquid-: my guess was the lib file is damaged ...
08:09.40Liquid-yea, that makes sense fireba11, either that or a permissions error
08:09.44Liquid-which doesn't make sense either
08:10.03Liquid-although mysql is a bitch, and it's errors suck anyhow :P
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08:10.31LRGhmmm
08:10.48Liquid-try reinstalling yet LRG?
08:10.48LRGis there anyway to reinstall whole system without having to go through my shitty host?>
08:10.58LRGgod sake i swore
08:10.59Liquid-is it a vps?
08:11.02LRGsorry.
08:11.05LRGno its a dedi
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08:11.09Liquid-dont worry, i swear in here sometimes ;)
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08:11.16Liquid-if it's a dedi, they should offer kernels
08:11.18MadMoneyWhy does Debian have to use initrd? It is so bad.
08:11.18LRGP
08:11.21Liquid-that you do yourself
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08:11.29LRGokay so how i do i t?
08:11.41Liquid-i dont know, depends on your admin panel :P
08:11.45MadMoneyBooting without initrd means I have to recompile.
08:12.05Liquid-i dont use a dedi, and all the dedi's i do have, are physical machines ;)
08:12.20Liquid-which host you use LRG?
08:12.27zinxMadMoney: booting without it also means a large number of drivers can't be modules
08:12.45MadMoneyzinx: Should be great for performance.
08:12.52zinxMadMoney: uhm, no
08:13.09zinxMadMoney: modules don't slow anything down, and drivers that aren't used eat memory
08:13.23Liquid-i would agre with zinx, even though i dont know THAT much about linux, it makes sense :P
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08:13.26MadMoneyIf I need them to boot, I need them anyway.
08:13.27bsod2i just installed lenny and it all works great now
08:13.40zinxMadMoney: but not everyone needs them, and a lot of people need things completely different from you
08:13.48MadMoneyLiquid-: You should buy this timeshare.
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08:13.55Liquid-o.O
08:14.01Liquid-...
08:14.03LRGhost is netelligent
08:14.03Liquid-yea
08:14.06bsod2but some packages i want to have the really cutting-edge unstable version
08:14.17Liquid-never heard of them LRG, but have to use your admin panel, to redo the server
08:14.18Liquid-all i know
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08:14.40Liquid-might have to go through your provider, can't really tell :P
08:14.42bsod2when i upgraded my whole system to unstable or testing X would crash
08:14.52LRGhmm
08:15.05LRGi hate doing it! lol
08:15.08Liquid-lol
08:15.08bsod2so how do i simply pick one package from unstable and keep all the rest at lenny?
08:15.12Liquid-why i use VPS right now
08:15.12Liquid-;)
08:15.23Liquid-change your sources.list
08:15.36Liquid-add the unstable in there, update, install, remove? :P
08:15.44LRGokay
08:15.51Liquid-remove the line from sources.list
08:15.52Liquid-i mean
08:15.54LRGwheres sources.list?
08:16.00Liquid-i was talking to bsod LRG
08:16.03bsod2hmm that sounds not to convincing
08:16.04Liquid-you dont want to do that
08:16.04Liquid-;)
08:16.10LRGoh okay :P
08:16.20harkbsod2: look into backports.. /msg dpkg backports
08:16.32Liquid-or build it yourself, i like doing that ;)
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08:16.53bsod2i'll msg backports first
08:16.59harkbsod2: or for certain packages, /msg dpkg ssb
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08:18.53Liquid-ok, lets cross our fingers and hope my php is good ;)
08:19.02bsod2ok hark, thanks that's useful
08:19.07JeanParpaillonHello, on a freshly installed testing, I can not get system monitoring KDE's plasmoids working. Even CPU load detect no CPU. I suspect missing rights for my user. Any idea ?
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08:24.55MadMoneydeletes /sbin/init and reboots.
08:26.05MadMoneyCrashed at DELL logo again, fuck you Dell
08:26.13fireba11haha i just imagined the CPU load plasmoid saying "no CPU found" :-)
08:26.18MadMoneyThis Dell laptop is runing everything
08:26.40fireba11MadMoney: sounds like time for a hardware check
08:26.40MadMoneyStupid BIOS progress bar crashed
08:27.03MadMoneyMight explain the kernel panics that happen when I use initrd.
08:27.44fireba11;-)
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08:28.13LRGStopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
08:28.13LRGStarting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
08:28.13LRGinvoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
08:28.13LRG•dpkg• error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
08:28.13LRGsubprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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08:28.40LRGgot a new errror
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08:30.43MadMoneyLRG: Make sure that your database server is working properly and try again.
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08:30.48hschhi anyone with jackd experience?
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08:33.03LRGmachine1
08:33.09LRGMadMoney how am i gunna od htat?
08:33.15LRGit after install it wont start
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08:38.52simonrvnLRG: and don't paste here
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08:41.31LRGwhy?
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08:43.26simonrvnyou get kicked...
08:44.01simonrvnthought that might be obvious, since you did, and got kicked for it....
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08:49.46owen1how to configure gdm to run a script before starting one of my window managers?
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08:51.23LRGif my server has the debina disk in can i install via ssh ?
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08:54.00OpenTokixLRG: not completely, but you can initiate a over ssh-install
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08:56.58nkuttlerowen1: before or after login?
08:58.29harpal!hwinfo
08:58.29dpkghwinfo is probably your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles
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08:59.45harpal!hcl
08:59.45dpkg[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>.
08:59.52g00seIs there a special boot parameter instructing 'leave /tmp as at last uptime'? I thought starting in single-user would do it, but obviously not...
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09:03.39inigog00se,  see TMPTIME in /erc/default/tmpfs  (man rcS)
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09:03.50inigos/erc/etc/
09:04.10owen1nkuttler: before
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09:07.16nkuttlerowen1: for xdm it's /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup, i'd guess gdm has something similar
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09:09.08g00seinigo: Thanks. I guess i'm looking for a boot parameter that overrides TMPTIME though
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09:09.34justfahdiHi
09:10.07owen1nkuttler: thanks
09:10.16justfahdiI've a problem that when I try to run update command getting this error "-bash: update: command not found"
09:10.42jeffrey_justfahdi: apt-get update
09:10.46justfahdiI installed update by apt-get update but still cannot run the command
09:10.55justfahdiI did
09:11.11justfahdiany idea why still I'm getting this error
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09:11.48justfahdiI want to run "update rc.d"
09:12.00simonrvnupdate-rc.d ...
09:12.26simonrvnupdate<tab><tab>
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09:12.50testi_How can I remove all files that were created by the hpoj setup?
09:12.55inigog00se, /lib/init/bootclean.sh
09:13.19jeffrey_justfahdi: you want to install the package named "update"? I searched and did not find a package named "update"
09:13.54justfahdiActually I want to run this command
09:13.56justfahdi"update rc.d a2b-callback-daemon defaults 40 60"
09:13.58simonrvnjeffrey_: see what i said ^^^
09:14.09simonrvnjustfahdi: same for you
09:14.25jeffrey_justfahdi: try sudo
09:14.30jeffrey_justfahdi: try sudo root
09:14.41simonrvnsudo won't matter if you don't have the correct command...
09:15.20jeffrey_justfahdi: you need to confirm if the "update" command/file exist first
09:15.30simonrvnHEL-LO!
09:15.42justfahdisudo root
09:15.43justfahdi?
09:16.02simonrvnjustfahdi, jeffrey_: update-rc,d ffs
09:16.07simonrvnrc.d*
09:16.23jeffrey_justfahdi: if the file exists in /sbin, you can't execute it with a normal account
09:16.38justfahdiok
09:16.52simonrvnum... that's assuming a lot
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09:17.13simonrvn!test
09:17.13dpkgepic test fail
09:17.34simonrvn...and just so wrong
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09:19.28DarkUraniumhey
09:19.32testi_I accidently installed outdated software (hpoj) and it made my printer unusable. How can I remove everything from hpoj if dpkg --purge hpoj doesn't remove everything?
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09:20.20JackScottI want to create a debian package (.deb). What's the best channel to ask questions in?
09:21.36g00seinigo: Thanks. Again good material. But i'd need to do something that says 'don't call clean_tmp()' in that script, as i'd guess omitting the whole script could be unsafe...
09:22.26jeffrey_testi_: use "apt-file -F list hpoj" to get the files you've installed, and then remove them.
09:22.30inigog00se, set TMPTIME to  -1
09:22.44inigoand will  be untouched
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09:24.39g00seinigo: need to do something at grub time
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09:27.31kripzCAn i install debian on a VM then ghost the image to a real computer? Will it break?
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09:28.32jeffrey_kripz: hardware/drivers are different, I don't think this can work
09:28.32inigog00se, maybe i don't understand. You want to preserve files in /tmp betwen reboots ?
09:29.45kripzjeffrey_, So a new install doesnt contain drivers for all hardware?
09:29.45jeffrey_kripz: no
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09:29.48inigokripz, the first think that won't work on the first boot of the cloned machine will be the network card
09:30.07inigowell, will work with dhcp
09:30.15inigoas ethn + 1
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09:30.40DarkUraniumhm... what package do I have to install in Lenny to get Xlib.h and X.h?
09:31.03SindikatDarkUranium: xlib, no?
09:31.07Sindikator libx
09:31.18DarkUraniumtried xlib...
09:31.22DarkUraniumlemme see if it has libx or libx-dev
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09:31.48DarkUraniumlibx11?
09:31.54Sindikati think it is
09:32.01jeffrey_DarkUranium: "apt-file search Xlib.h"
09:32.25DarkUraniumjeffrey_: hm, never heard of apt-file before
09:32.32DarkUraniumjeffrey_: this will help a lot ^^
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09:32.50inigolibx11-dev and x11proto-core-dev
09:32.57jeffrey_DarkUranium: apt-file will search the packages which contains the files you want
09:33.08DarkUraniumjeffrey_, ...hence the name =P
09:33.18inigolike packages.debian.org, but in command line
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09:35.25DarkUraniuminigo: x11proto-core-dev, x11proto-input-dev and some other similar x11proto things are all dependencies of libx11-dev anyways
09:36.00g00seinigo: Let's say i have a crash (like just a few mins ago). My girlfried was working on something. I hope there were /tmp autsaved files (maybe not). Box went down. I then wanted to reboot leaving /tmp uncleaned.
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09:36.49inigog00se, edit grub boot line, and write:  init=/bin/sh
09:36.59inigothen explore /tmp
09:37.23inigoif don't, init will be rcS and /tmp will be reaped
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09:39.54g00seinigo: OK. Sounds good. afaicr there's a way to enter params on demand at grub time isn't there?
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09:44.47neo8848had problems installing eclipse from the downloadable iso's, instead installed jre from the iso, and installed galileo pdt from tarbal... it worked like a charm, and /me found peace
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09:54.24qiyonghello
09:54.29qiyonganyone use qemu?
09:54.37Guerin!anyone use qemu?
09:54.37dpkgNo, no one uses qemu, not even the people who use it.
09:54.52EmleyMoorI have used it...
09:55.08qiyongi just ask the differecnes b/w qemu and qemu-system-*
09:55.17EmleyMoorI still do sometimes but prefer its more efficient cousin kvm
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09:55.33EmleyMoorqemu is a symlink, usually to qemu-system-i386
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09:56.07EmleyMoorqemu-system-* are system emulators of the type stated
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09:56.54tarashow to get .config for default kernel in lenny?
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09:57.17qiyongEmleyMoor: what's the diff b/w qemu-i386 and qemu-system-i386 ?
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09:58.08qiyongEmleyMoor: qemu-i386 just run a program? the other is the system?
09:58.45EmleyMoorqemu-system-i386 is a complete system. qemu-i386 merely runs a program (user-mode I think they call it)
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09:59.32qiyongEmleyMoor: does qemu run as good as kvm?
09:59.42qiyongEmleyMoor: with kqemu
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10:00.26EmleyMoorkvm is better. qemu with kqemu is good if kvm won't do what you want. Solo qemu will do if nothing else works
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10:00.50qiyongEmleyMoor: kvm is better than kqemu?
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10:01.34EmleyMoorqiyong: Yes. It's more efficient and makes use of supporting systems' virtualization support.
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10:03.42qiyongEmleyMoor: you mean the cpu virtualiztion?
10:03.56qiyongwhat flag is it? in /proc/cpu
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10:04.40EmleyMoorNot sure - but #kvm on FreeNode may be able to advise
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10:06.10nsadminhow do they both compare to xen
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10:08.54Ironhandhow long should it normally take for <number>@bugs.debian.org to process my bugreport and send a confirmation mail back? should I re-send if there's no sign that it was received after 5 minutes or so?
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10:11.44JPTi think you're not the only one sending emails there...
10:12.25JPTisn't there an answer on http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting for your question? :)
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10:17.07IronhandJPT: no, can't find any answer there... and I'm asking because often similar reporting systems tend to respond in a matter of seconds
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10:18.10autoditachi. i have the strange phaenomenon that one of my servers (lenny) suddenly doesn't seem to be able to create any new processes any more - i can use existing processe and network connections but i can't create any new ones. this happens every four weeks (more or less) without any load on the machine. i have to kill it and the logs have entries from existing process- so the machine definitely hasn't crashed.
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10:18.19JPThmm...well... i don't know that much about the bug reporting database of debian... but i think somebody will have the answer :)
10:18.21autoditacanyoen ever experienced such a thing?
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10:33.19m92http://pastebin.com/m3d26f63b
10:33.23m92:(
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10:34.28m92that dhcp3-client error and "resources temporarily unavailable" are happening very often
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10:37.26m92Hello. Anyone available?
10:37.40Guerinm92: no.
10:37.48m92:(
10:37.52m92I'll come later then
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10:38.04Guerinjust wait
10:38.08Guerinsomeone will answer if they care
10:38.14m92oki doki :D
10:38.22tarasgrrrr @ "qconf: cannot connect to X server"
10:38.26tarashow can I fix that?
10:38.41Guerintaras: make it so that whatever it is can connect to the xserver
10:38.42tarasI launch that with root, but logined to X not with root
10:39.20hsch<PROTECTED>
10:39.30tarasGuerin: ?
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10:40.20Guerin!run stuff as root
10:40.20dpkg"export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <root x><sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>.
10:40.29Guerintaras: ^
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10:43.04tarasGuerin: ok thanks
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10:44.21g00sem92: Why not do something like lsof | grep config.dat ?
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10:45.23Chupacabrais it necessary to clear the cach when redoing the ./configure command and what is the best way to clear it?
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10:47.28GuerinChupacabra: make clean
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10:48.45ChupacabraGuerin: thx alot
10:48.48nsadminyou could also make distclean
10:49.09nsadminsince youre going to ./configure anyway
10:49.30Guerinhe speaks truth
10:49.32m92g00se: It doesn't give anything
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10:49.42Gratz474how can i mount a windows 7 partition from linux ?
10:49.44Gratz474linux*
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10:49.57GuerinGratz474: you fail
10:49.58JPTthat should be a usual NTFS partition
10:50.06Gratz474Guerin, wont work?
10:50.25GuerinGratz474: using unreleased software without clue is unwise
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10:53.22flourishhi all, i have a question about raid, which channel i should go
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10:54.02OpenTokixflourish: If its a debian-machine, I am sure it's ok here.
10:54.16flourishOpenTokix: thanks
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10:56.23flourishi have an old server with raid1 using two scsi drivers. But the space is too small and i want to add another harddisk. Here i have a sata raid card and a sata driver, i wonder can i use the sata-raid card together with scsi-raid card?
10:56.54JPThmm
10:56.57torgrimtyou can mount the sataraid as /home for instance?
10:57.06torgrimtor copy over everything, and throw away the old scsi
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10:57.23torgrimtor do you want to combine all disks into a bigger filesystem? then its lvm or zfs
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10:57.49flourishi just want the sata driver a partition to store some data
10:57.57nsadminflourish yes, you can use them in the same machine, but they'd be two separate arrays
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10:58.30nsadminzfs is in linux?
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10:58.45linduxed1nsadmin: afaik you can get it yes
10:59.03flourishI guest i can use the arrays as before, but just use the additional sata driver a partition to store some data
10:59.19nsadminor many partitions
10:59.34torgrimtnsadmin: its not gnu compatable, so it wont be included. but you can install it sure
10:59.36nsadminor lvm the whole drive and add/resize partitions later
10:59.49flourishthat is the whole filesystem is built with an raid1 and another sata disk
11:00.26torgrimtmount it up, copy over and remount it as /home for instance
11:00.33torgrimtnothing easier then that ;)
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11:01.58flourish;) the situation now is that the sata driver cannot be recognized
11:02.14flourishb.t.w i use debian lenny i386
11:02.28nsadmindriver?
11:02.33nsadminyou mean drive?
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11:02.43linduxed1if apt complains about lack of space on /boot, what should i remove on it?
11:02.45flourishthe sata harddisk
11:03.24nsadminahh. drive. a "driver" is a small program that manages a device for an operating system
11:03.32nsadmin(there are other kinds of drivers)
11:03.50flourishnsadmin: yes, thanks for your advice
11:04.07flourish:-)
11:04.14nsadminso it cant' see the drive
11:04.28nsadminany evidence it sees the controller?
11:04.29flourishno, it cannot
11:04.49nirupamaAny body know about udev and how to write rules
11:04.53nirupamaI have some query
11:04.59flourishsataraid can be found with lshw
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11:05.51flourishnirupama: what does the rules do
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11:06.49flourishnsadmin: for the sata drive, i connect it with a sata-raid card:-)
11:08.38nsadminflourish: so my current question is, does linux see your sata-raid card?
11:09.05nsadmin(maybe the card cannot do a non-raided setup)
11:09.39flourishnsadmin: i guess it does. Because i can see the class "sataraid" with command lshw
11:10.14nsadminok, that's a maybe then
11:10.28nsadmingood guess :)
11:10.45nsadmindo you know the name of the kernel module that is for the sata raid card?
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11:10.53nsadminis it pci?
11:11.06flourishnsadmin: :-) yes it is pci
11:11.26flourishnsadmin: what a minute, i go to start that machine
11:11.35nsadminok, you can use lspci to identify the card and hopefully the chipset
11:11.56flourish:-0
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11:13.27nsadminwould someone mind taking over? I need sleep...
11:13.32flourishbtw. another question. Yesterday, a friend take a zte AC580 3G card, but after long time's work, we failed to use it. Does anyone here also using the 3G
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11:13.49flourishnsadmin: oh, here is 7:13PM
11:13.53flourish:-)
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11:14.12nsadminalso known as 4:13 am :)
11:14.18nirupamaflourish, hi
11:14.38flourishnsadmin: maybe it's time to have a good rest
11:14.42flourishnirupama: hi
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11:15.00nirupamaflourish, I want to achive a simple thing.when I insert usb pen drive my script should automatically run and invoke  web browser
11:15.15nirupamaflourish, so please guide me what i need to do to achieve that
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11:15.43nirupamaflourish, in short I want to invoke an application automatically whenever my usb is plugged in
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11:17.22langzeitstudent_nirupama, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/help-with-auto-run-script-when-usb-storage-device-is-plugged-in-736104/ might help
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11:17.42flourishnirupama: oh, sorry for that, i have no idea about this. And i also want to know how rules work. but maybe this thread is something about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221
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11:19.23SzArAkhi
11:20.04SzArAkhow can i run apps that are unaware of socks proxy throught such proxy? (ssh -D port_nr)?
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11:20.57SzArAklike ping, snmp stuff etc.
11:21.14g00senirupma: man autofs5
11:21.21g00senirupama: man autofs5
11:21.21torgrimtdont think its possible SzArAk with ssh
11:21.28torgrimtmaybe with vpn ;)
11:21.59SzArAkyeah... i know about vpn. but i just thought it could be possible with just simple ssh access
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11:22.36langzeitstudent_SzArAk, "export http_proxy=34738754"? or do you want to tunnel all traffic through an ssh tunnel?
11:22.46flourishi guest ssh -D is possible.
11:23.15SzArAklangzeitstudent_: all trafic, but for one specific app.
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11:23.17flourishbut you need another machine
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11:24.06SzArAkthat's what i mean - i've got a server from wich i'd like to run apps, but tunnel them throught another machine in a simple way
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11:24.40SzArAkthose remote machines are supposed to have ssh server only
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11:25.46langzeitstudent_SzArAk, maybe it would be helpfull to give a little more detail about the apps you want to connect to the ssh server
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11:28.08SzArAkit's not completily known. network related apps usually. i want to do things like simple tests: send ping, send snmp query, send http query etc.. It would be grate if i could do that from one machine (issue comamnds from server) and have those tests made from different locations.
11:28.39SzArAklike: send ping from XY host, see results
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11:28.45langzeitstudent_ah
11:28.49SzArAkthen send ping from ADF host, see results
11:29.03SzArAkall that without worrying if there is a program 'ping' on that host
11:29.41SzArAk(otherwise simple ssh user@host 'command' would be enaught)
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11:30.32themillsounds like you really want a VPN. programs have to be designed to be able to use a socks proxy
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11:31.20mischiefthemill, not necessarily
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11:31.52themillplease don't say "socksify" ...
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11:32.46mischiefi'm not saying anything other than that you can use programs not designed for a socks proxy via a connector of some king
11:32.48mischiefkkind*
11:33.26langzeitstudent_SzArAk, well I'm not sure if you can use a ssh tunnel to tunnel icmp traffic (e.g. ping)
11:33.29SzArAkthat's what i'm looking for. some kind of a connector :P
11:34.00mischiefsocat might work.
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11:34.24SzArAklangzeitstudent_: it seems i was demanding to much from socks proxy.
11:34.34SzArAkgoogles socat..
11:34.39jerryegurui am looking for a good tutorial on loading a script at boot
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11:35.02flourishnsadmin: are you still here?
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11:36.32sleptwhere to dissable the reboot option in gnome (with gdm) for some of the users ?
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11:36.45SzArAkjerryeguru: just simple "man update-rc.d" maybe?
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11:39.04Speedy059the current repository i'm using is only getting 34KB/s tops
11:39.08Speedy059how can i find a faster repo?
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11:40.17nkuttlerSpeedy059: apt-spy
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11:41.25langzeitstudent_slept, I'm not sure if thats possible yet.. as far as i can tell you can only disable it for all users
11:41.31Speedy059I tried that (not sure if I did it right) and it's still real slow :/
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11:43.06Speedy059lets say I wanted to us "debian.yorku.ca" repository, how do I tell it to use that?
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11:43.10PythackHello.
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11:43.31sleptlangzeitstudent_, where would i do that ?
11:43.44langzeitstudent_sudo gdmsetup
11:43.52langzeitstudent_then "disable actions menu" or something.. sec
11:44.29langzeitstudent_yea.. tab local, then "enable actions menu"
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11:47.00sleptlangzeitstudent_,  that will affect gnome itself ? To that sounds like an option to disable the reboot button of gdm
11:47.17langzeitstudent_slept, i've seen some bugzilla entries, though, that request basic authentication for those actions... so it may come at some point in the future
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11:47.29SzArAkok. thanks with that socks proxy thing ;) i'll take a closer look on socat or i'll have to make some vpn's. thanks! ;)
11:47.31langzeitstudent_slept, no idea xD it may
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11:48.25langzeitstudent_slept, or.. no. it'll just not show the "reboot, shutdown, etc" menu, i believe.. just give it a try :p
11:48.43sleptOk, normal behaviour is that users can't shutdown , with gdm something happens that users can do so. Now my question is how it is made possibel
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11:49.08langzeitstudent_ah
11:49.17Titan8990slept, the gdm daemon continues to run once you are in the GUI and gdm is actually what performs the shutdown
11:49.50langzeitstudent_Titan8990, even when you click on the "system -> shutdown" thingy?
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11:50.19langzeitstudent_ah so thats why I can not shutdown my box when I use entrance/gnome xD
11:50.32Titan8990langzeitstudent_, only when
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11:52.23sleptTitan8990, running gdm as a user as opposed to as root would solve this, but are there other issues when I take this course of action ?
11:52.56Titan8990slept, not running gdm is the answer
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11:53.48langzeitstudent_slept, for me, gdm runs as the user "gdm", not root, though
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11:55.12infernixthere is a specific package (libgnumail-java) that i need to purge in order to get my application working; however, the package libjetty6-extra-java depends on it.
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11:55.33infernixhow can I purge it while letting dpkg and apt know that I am aware of the dependency and want to ignore it?
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11:56.12abrotmaninfernix: you really don't want to
11:56.15infernixe.g. I don't want to purge because that will break apt-get, but i also don't want to delete the file because then it'll get reinstalled at the next apt-get upgrade
11:56.18abrotman!equivs
11:56.19dpkgi guess equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
11:56.37infernixright, equivs is what i want
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11:57.03infernixbecause i don't think that just setting the package to Hold status in dselect works anymore
11:57.10infernixlast time i tried, aptitude just blatantly ignored that
11:57.25sleptTitan8990, what do you recomend, xdm ?
11:57.44infernixabrotman: thanks, as always :)
11:57.46langzeitstudent_slept, you could also just changle the "haltcommand" and "reboot" commands in the gdm config file.. that way, noone can reboot/shutdown at all.
11:57.50langzeitstudent_change*
11:57.55Titan8990slept, i don't use any kind of graphical login manager
11:57.56abrotmanwhy does he always blame me?
11:58.30langzeitstudent_slept, admins will then have to log in and call shutdown manually.
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11:59.31asg!blame abrotman
11:59.31dpkgblames the-dude_ and abrotman for the end of the Internet as we know it
11:59.40abrotmanbig lebowski?
11:59.55sleptTitan8990, well its a mediabox /fileserver. People using it are mentaly not "capable" of starting somthing themselfs the need to click, i know it's sad ....
12:00.09asgabrotman: yeah but the bot grabbed a random nick
12:00.36sleptlangzeitstudent_, i'll have a look at that
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12:01.56glasyalabolisdoes anyone know of any source code flowchart generators for freeBASIC or QBASIC?
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12:04.59nootoyahoraI have start firefox  (by error) and I have startesd it with the "new option session" so my last sessions tabs are gone, are they in "somewhere" in the disk? or are they lost forever?
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12:06.06ranixif I had a nickel for every time I had to type 'killall firefox-bin'...
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12:06.27amphiheh
12:07.08nootoyahoraranix, well, yes..but... are my tabs lost? or not?
12:07.26ranixwhat? how would I know
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12:07.37ranixtry going to your history
12:07.47nootoyahoraranix, history? mmm ok
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12:08.11ranixyou don't need tech support to help with firefox problems, you need a soothsayer
12:08.15neo8848hi everyone, i've just finished configuring my debian, purely from the downloadable iso...
12:08.19nootoyahoraranix, hisroty is backed up me file? or it is not?
12:08.21ranixconsult the Oracle at Delphi
12:08.35ranixor a magic 8-ball
12:08.36neo8848now in the course of doing so, i didn't configure my network during installation..
12:08.40ranix!8ball
12:08.40dpkgyes--definitely
12:08.51neo8848would anyone be kind enough to jumpstart me on this task?
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12:09.24jellyfetches the cables
12:09.35sleptneo8848, what is the problem ?
12:10.26neo8848i have not configured my network card, and i really don't know where to start
12:10.41sleptplug in a cable and see if it works
12:10.50asgneo8848: man 5 interfaces
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12:11.57neo8848rebooting
12:12.05sleptno
12:12.34sleptneo8848, you won't have to reboot to set up  networking
12:12.46less1I am getting error "run-init: nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty". it will be helpful of someone can tell me where to find the source code of "/bin/run-init" inside initramfs
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12:13.04superjoeman, I should really switch back to stable
12:13.14neo8848oops
12:13.25neo8848slept: anyway, it's back on now
12:13.31superjoenew software is nice, but I'm getting tired of upgrading and having my soundcard or internet stop working
12:14.12jelly!tell less1 -about initramfs debug
12:14.47less1jelly: sorry I didn't get you... what do you want to know?
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12:15.12jellyless1: you should have gotten a private message from dkpg
12:15.14jellydpkg*
12:15.24less1jelly: yep got it, thanks :-)
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12:19.03visofi added line to /etc/fstab to can mount fat32 partition ,
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12:19.54visofmount -a
12:20.08visofand i got bad fs
12:20.23visofwhat is the problem ?
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12:21.06asgvisof: should be defaults, not default
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12:22.20visofi did
12:22.53visofasg i'll do reboot
12:22.55visofbrb
12:23.06superjoeI installed mingw32, but it didn't give me any of the binaries
12:23.08superjoewhat's the deal?
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12:26.20neo8848yep i'm golden again
12:26.30abrotmanand shiny!
12:26.32neo8848@asg: thanks
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12:27.38neo8848@slept: i'm lousy so that i stil had to reboot, how do i restart the network service thingy?
12:27.38tarasif I do "make install" in vanilla kernel - it doesn't add menu entry into grub2. thats ok?
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12:27.52asgneo8848: /etc/init.d/networking restart
12:28.01abrotmantaras: depends if you want to boot it from grub ornot
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12:28.12asgneo8848: or ifdown <iface> ; ifup <iface>
12:28.14neo8848@asg: that solves it all, thanks again
12:28.22asgyou're welcome
12:28.22tarasabrotman: yeah I want
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12:29.38abrotmantaras: tried running 'update-grub' ?
12:30.03neo8848has setup his full lenny lamp with dev tools in less than 7 hrs... he's slow, but feels great
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12:31.51tarasabrotman: thanks
12:32.29J_PHello, anyone know how I set Umask in proftpd for a specific user create dirs/files with perm rw for owner and group ? I'm doing this http://dpaste.com/68192/  but not works
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12:35.36superjoein squeeze, alsaconf is gone from alsa-utils
12:35.47superjoehow do I fix my sound? currently I get ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave whenever I try to make noise
12:36.07neo8848whoops, has anyone noticed that there is no included svn for debian lenny?
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12:36.22themillneo8848: "subversion"
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12:37.04DarkUraniumhm...
12:37.16DarkUraniumhow is wchar_t defined in Lenny?
12:37.39DarkUraniumor should I ask what is unsigned long - 32-bit or 64-bit
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12:38.03neo8848oh,
12:38.13neo8848themill: got that, thanks
12:38.35outlaw84I wanto be able to monitor which user changed/deletes a file, what is the simplest tool for this?
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12:40.52tarzeauZharf: you're in sweden/stockholm?
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12:41.11Zharfno, Finland/Nokia :)
12:41.20tarzeauZharf: there's a city called Nokia?
12:41.22Zharfyes
12:41.26tarzeauha ha
12:41.35Zharfit's next to Tampere
12:42.03langzeitstudent_so corporations got statiums *and* towns named after them now? xD
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12:42.40OpenTokixlangzeitstudent_: or maybe the company named itself after the town? =)
12:42.41Zharfor they're named after the town
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12:43.15langzeitstudent_yea though I wonder how much of that company is still there instead of some low-wages/tax country
12:43.26Zharfthere's also Nokia tyres
12:43.38Zharfand nokia footwear
12:43.40OpenTokixZharf: arent they named Nokian?
12:43.54Zharfapparently
12:44.02Zharfanyway, they're from around here
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12:46.22tarzeaudoes anyone have blender backports to lenny?
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12:54.16PsiKlopshello.  when using etch, can i add lenny backports to my sources.lst ?
12:55.07themillPsiKlops: no, use etch-backports instead (or upgrade to lenny)
12:55.21PsiKlopsthemill, thx
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12:59.17themilltarzeau: all its build-deps are satisfied in lenny but there are build errors due to changed package contents in libavformat bby the looks of it. Some fiddling will probably be required to get it to backport (perhaps look at how the packaging has changed from lenny to sid)
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13:00.20m92Please help me. I keep having this problem when I use apt: http://pastebin.com/m2335bd72
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13:02.44Titan8990m92, looks like you already have another instance of apt running
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13:04.04m92Titan8990: How can I fix it?
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13:05.40tarashow comes I do "make install", but it doesn't install initrd?
13:05.58tarasin vanilla kernel 2.6.29.6
13:06.41tarasand I get kernel panic due to it can't mount root fs on unknown block o_O
13:06.42abrotman!kp
13:06.42dpkgTo compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz.  You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
13:06.48abrotman!tell taras about kp
13:06.50abrotman!tell taras about kp mantra
13:06.52fsmwhy don't you use kernel-package?
13:07.01abrotmantaras: and why are you compiling your kernel instead of using the one already in debian ?
13:07.10fsmthere are plenty of reasons for that
13:07.23tarascos I need kernel >= 2.6.27 to have wifi on rtl8187b
13:07.29abrotman!tell taras about bpo
13:07.41abrotmanfollow the instructions there .. they have a .29 kernel already done
13:07.48fsmwhat is bpo?
13:07.50taraseven 30 as I seen
13:07.51fsmbackports?
13:07.53abrotman!tell fsm about bpo
13:07.58fsmI thought sid already had .30
13:08.13vezultSince upgrading to samba 3.2.5 (Lenny) from 3.0.25 (Etch), we've seen a dramatic increase in memory usage by smbd processes; at times as much as 38MB resident memory for a single smbd.
13:08.15abrotmanusually bpo does stuff from testing .. but the .29 went in ..
13:08.26vezultHas anyone else seen this type of behavior?
13:08.33abrotmanoh .. bpo has .30 now too
13:09.49abrotmantaras: so there you go .. no more compiling!
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13:10.22vezultOur file server is running Debian, 32bit x86
13:10.46tarasabrotman: I want to have nice logo, not a text boot :)
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13:11.29abrotmantaras: if you keep changing requirements, it's going to make it harder
13:11.49vezultIt seems that normal memory usage is 3-4MB for 32 bit, and 5-7, and our average is almost 4 times that high.
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13:11.54m92Please help me. I keep having this problem when I use apt: http://pastebin.com/m2335bd72
13:11.57abrotmanvezult: i have one here that went etch->lenny ..
13:12.16abrotmanvezult: how are you checking the memory usage ?
13:12.25tarasso kernel can work w/o initrd?
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13:12.37vezultabrotman: ps -eo rss,cmd, or top
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13:12.39abrotmanit can, if you do it correctly
13:12.57abrotmanvezult: 12552 root      22   2 16404 3428 2716 S  0.0  1.3   0:00.26 smbd .. seems RES is 3500 ?
13:13.17tarasseems in 2.6.29 its default hmmm
13:13.35abrotmanvezult: and the same on another that was lenny from the start
13:14.03abrotmanvezult: the largest i see is about 4300
13:14.11vezultabrotman: yeah, that looks like what various people have reported.
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13:14.31vezultabrotman: but they weren't running debian, so I just wanted to check..
13:14.33tarasbrb
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13:15.19vezultabrotman: I thought it might have been the memory leak fixed in 5.0r1, but it has persisted since we updated
13:15.51BD|Pr0zInhello
13:15.54BD|Pr0zInas
13:16.21themillvezult: there are newer samba packages on backports.org if you want to look at them
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13:19.09tarasweird - "VFS: cannot open root device or unknown block(0,0)"
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13:20.07tarasthats kernel panic
13:20.16marcel`hi i think i have set raid1 correct now http://pastebin.com/m428b9f93 but not 100% sure can someone have a looh?
13:20.53marcel`s/looh/look/
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13:21.20MadMoneyWith the default configuration, the Debian kernel falls on its face without initrd.
13:22.29tarasMadMoney: but why initrd doesn't insalls when I do "make install"?
13:22.36tarasinstalls*
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13:23.02Titan8990you should NEVER run make install on a kernel
13:23.09Titan8990copy manually, its safer
13:23.30tarasI took .config from Debian's 2.6.26-2
13:23.38Titan8990and if you are creating your own kernel, an initrd is not required
13:23.53Titan8990taras, why compile your own if your using a default config?
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13:24.15OpenTokixThis is like watching three blind mice
13:24.23OpenTokixCompile a kernel the debian way
13:24.30OpenTokixfind info on debian wiki
13:24.47Titan8990ehh... the "linux" way always works
13:24.52taraslets try default config
13:24.59tarasw/o debian's .config
13:25.31Titan8990your not getting far with a unmodified .config from vanilla sources
13:25.45Titan8990how about configuring it properly?
13:26.08tarasI configured it
13:26.18tarasbut getting weird kernel panic
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13:26.34Titan8990thats not wierd
13:26.36themillnot configured correctly, then
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13:26.46tarasmh
13:27.19Titan8990its a common problem of either not building in your sata drivers to the kernel, or filesystem
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13:27.35tarasaha sata drivers
13:27.37Titan8990or not having in initrd in a situation where you compiled your hdd controller driver as a module
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13:28.00themillor yet another example of why you should just use the debian-supplied kernel
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13:28.12Titan8990the filesystems must also be marked y if not using an initrd
13:28.18abrotmanand why you should ask #kernel .. not here
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13:28.39Titan8990themill, some people like to tweak and modify their kernel
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13:28.50abrotmanit doesn't make it appropriate for this channel
13:28.51alexidoiahi I know about files permissions but not about any + at the end of them, can someone enlight me please ? drwxrw_rw_+
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13:29.06abrotmanalexidoia: ACLs IIRC
13:29.08abrotman!acl
13:29.08dpkgfrom memory, acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
13:30.03themillTitan8990: if they know how to do that, then they would know how to do it correctly. Clueless stumbling around to even compile a working kernel for the machine is not a sign of someone with enough clue to be going down that path
13:30.03yurikoleshow to report bug in two packages?
13:30.03abrotmanyurikoles: reportbug
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13:30.05yurikolesi meen 1 bug in 2 packages
13:30.11Titan8990themill, have to get your feet wet some time... it took me a few days to get my first working properly
13:30.18abrotmanyurikoles: reportbug
13:30.26yurikolesmybe its a libm but i dont know
13:30.32themillTitan8990: and the benefits were? /msg dpkg gentoosmite me
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13:30.52abrotmanTitan8990: if you want to learn, go learn .. don't go to an unrelated channel and ask what's going wrong
13:30.52Titan8990themill, .... i am actually a gentoo user
13:31.04themillit shows
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13:31.39Titan8990themill, the benefit is a potentially smaller kernel and slightly faster boot time w/o an initrd
13:31.55Titan8990abrotman, i have no problems, not sure what you are saying
13:31.56abrotmanTitan8990: i think you wanted to talk about this in #debian-offtopic
13:32.15Titan8990abrotman, I was only offering help to someone else
13:32.41abrotmanthen help them in the correct channel please
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13:33.23Titan8990debian does not support custom kernels?
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13:35.26themillTitan8990: for the most part, #debian doesn't want to waste its time doing so and when it does, it does it the "debian way" with kernel-package so that it all works nicely with the package system
13:35.59bluethundr___does Debian prefer to use inetd, xinetd or is it better to use Dan Bernstein's daemontools?
13:36.17asgbluethundr___: debian leaves the preference up to you
13:36.31Titan8990people should not be forced to do something a certain way... linux gives choices and different ways of approaching things
13:36.55bluethundr___cool. thanks I agree and like this approach.
13:36.56Titan8990but if its not supported here, i will keep quite
13:37.31abrotmanbluethundr___: by default inetd
13:37.35abrotmanopenbsd-inetd
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13:42.39poisonbitTitan8990, I use to use custom kernels, but first, before my config, i use to do make oldconfig, with the debian conf
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13:43.29poisonbiteverything use to wrok fine, also make-kpkg is a cool tool
13:43.32poisonbitwork
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13:46.04taraspoisonbit: is it necessary to run oldconfig on debian's .config? or can I do with xconfig ?
13:46.29poisonbiti don't know if it's necesary, but it gives a safe default
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13:48.31abrotmanTitan8990: i wouldn't say they're totally unsupported .. but when someone doesn't have a clue, it gets very frustrating, and takes up a lot of time/space in the channel .. so we generally ask people that don't know better to use a Debian-packaged kernel
13:49.34ranixTitan8990: FYI, the only times I have used a custom kernel is when I was tinkering with embedded devices
13:49.47ranixthings that just can't use a prepackaged kernel
13:50.02ranixand I would consider myself a well-rounded user
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13:50.24poisonbitcat /boot/config-$(uname -r) > /usr/src/linux/.config ; cd /usr/src/linux ; make oldconfig    and then what you prefer for customize (make config, make menuconfig, make xconfig, etc)
13:50.32jungleboyhi guys, how to install rewrite module from command line? thanks!
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13:50.43abrotmanyou mean  .. modprobe?
13:50.45Titan8990ranix, its a preference more than a need for me
13:50.59poisonbitjungleboy, a2enmod rewrite ; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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13:51.50poisonbitTitan8990, for example, with 2.6.30.1 over lenny, I had a problem with acpi... and doing the oldconfig first, the acpi works
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13:52.46jungleboythanks poisonbit
13:52.51poisonbitnp
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13:53.51poisonbitif the hardware just require a recent kernel, backports.org is an excelent option
13:54.01poisonbitbetter than custom kernels
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13:54.26taraspoisonbit: will try backport...
13:54.38poisonbitand also the k.muto backport installers are cool for that
13:54.45Titan8990"better" is subjective
13:54.57poisonbithttp://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i
13:55.27poisonbitTitan8990, less failure probability
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13:55.49poisonbitthey have debian patches and configs
13:55.58poisonbita vanilla kernel hasn't
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13:56.54poisonbitanyway, if you want to customize .config, for my experience, make oldconfig before, is highly recomendable
13:57.40Titan8990but debian kernels are configured with the intention that the user will be using an initrd
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13:57.58taraspoisonbit: isn't oldconfig just a text version of xconfig?
13:57.58poisonbittrue, and also make-kpkg has a param for that
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13:58.22poisonbittaras, make oldconfig, copy the values of your current config, to the source tree
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13:58.37stewtaras: no, oldconfig is the one that goes through and asks you speicically about things which aren't mentioned in your config at all
13:58.48poisonbiti think that make-kpkg runs make-oldconfig by default
13:59.05stewtaras: like "i have a .config from an older version which doesn't have answers to questions that didn't exist in the old kernel"
13:59.12stewpoisonbit: it does
13:59.50tarasstew: are you stew from freeciv?
13:59.56stewnope
14:00.05poisonbitTitan8990, i understand you, is funny to make a 2.6 run in a 4mb 386@33 mhz... you have to touch some variables, like initramfs size for that
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14:00.50Titan8990you mean kernel needs to be < 4mb or your total size to work with is 4mb?
14:01.06poisonbityup, and initramfs size also
14:01.18poisonbitby default it doesn't feet
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14:04.17poisonbitTitan8990, but if you make that, is ha personal custom development... thats not the chanel... debian boot, defaults to use initrd
14:04.30poisonbit:)
14:04.49poisonbit#kernel, #busybox, etc...
14:04.56Titan8990but the ability to customize is there
14:05.04Titan8990otherwise, i wouldn't use it
14:05.04poisonbitof course
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14:05.39poisonbitbut that is not debian, that is a Linux kernel, booting some init program,... no debian
14:05.51poisonbitthere are better channels for that
14:06.07poisonbitapt-get build-essential is the most debian related task
14:06.11poisonbitapt-get isntall
14:06.14poisonbitinstall
14:06.27poisonbitfucks the keyboard
14:06.46superjoethat's probably why you can't type
14:06.50superjoebuttons are all sticky
14:06.54poisonbitxD
14:06.56superjoeis it possible to downgrade debian?
14:07.09Titan8990yeah... i come from gentoo so I am used to kernel discussion occuring in the distro's channel
14:07.10poisonbitsuperjoe, is posible but not supportedf
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14:07.20Titan8990but i understand
14:07.47poisonbitsuperjoe, debian scripts in packages (preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm, etc) are not designed for downgrades
14:07.51less1I came across "httpfs" boot option in debian live cd. The /scripts/live in initramfs has the code needed for httpfs (do_httpmount).  Has anyone tried out this option?
14:08.07superjoepoisonbit: right, I understand that
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14:09.06poisonbitless1, i haven't only usb and iso. maybe #debian-live in OFTC servers
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14:09.41superjoenew software is nice and all, but I'm getting tired of upgrading and having my soundcard or internet stop working
14:10.11ranixthat was inane
14:10.26superjoewhy do you say that?
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14:11.08less1poisonbit: I was trying to use that, but i could not locate httpfs executables.. can you tell me the fullform of OFTC server, I will join #debian-live chat room
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14:11.36ranixit's hard to explain, because the statement itself suggests you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how your operating system works, superjoe
14:11.44jellysuperjoe: so, use stable and only have to fix stuff every two-three years
14:11.44poisonbitless1, irc.debian.org  or irc.oftc.org
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14:11.50poisonbit^^ less1
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14:13.06superjoeranix: it's quite possible I do
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14:13.10less1poisonbit: thanks :-)
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14:13.22poisonbityu're welcome
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14:15.08ranixsuperjoe: Are you using Lenny?
14:15.38superjoeranix: squeeze
14:15.52superjoecurrently trying to figure out why alsa is borked
14:16.02superjoeI think it has something to do with alsaconf being removed, but it shouldn't be
14:16.16superjoeI mean that shouldn't be an issue
14:16.55ajavidhi
14:16.58ranixah ok
14:17.03ajavidsuperjoe, why do I remember you
14:17.07poisonbitapt-listbugs is a cool tool for squeeze, sid and experimental
14:17.14ajavidoh yeah
14:17.19ajavidyou told me to get lmms in #music
14:17.20ajavidthats right
14:17.27ajavidgood morning.
14:17.29superjoeyo
14:17.33ranixsuperjoe: since Lenny was just released, Squeeze is a bit more unstable than Lenny was for the latter half of Etch's life cycle
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14:17.39Pascal_1hello
14:17.45superjoeranix: yes I've come to understand that
14:17.50ajavidwhat are you doing?
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14:17.54ranixsuperjoe: if you're reasonably new to Debian you might be surprised at the difference in stability comparing early Testing with late Testing
14:17.56g00seWhat's replaced alsconf btw, if anything?
14:17.57Pascal_1anybody could help me about this : http://pastebin.fr/5125
14:18.07ajavidg00se, alsaconf is gone, nothing repalced it
14:18.08superjoeand I think it's a good thing - it means they're doing big fixes
14:18.13ranixyep
14:18.20ajavid!alsaconf
14:18.20dpkgalsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards.  Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards."  Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>.  See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
14:18.22superjoeg00se: it's just gone - supposedly it was bug-ridden
14:18.29ranixhard to fix having already upgraded to Squeeze without being informed, though
14:18.33superjoe!alsa checklist
14:18.34dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again)  2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels)  3) arts or esound stopped?  4) OSS modules unloaded?  5) speakers on?  6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.  See also <list alsa users>.
14:18.50superjoe$ alsamixer
14:18.50superjoeNo mixer elems found
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14:19.29ranixsuperjoe: try doing an apt-get update; apt get install alsa alsa-tools or alsa-utils
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14:19.32ranixforget which
14:19.34ranixand rerun alsaconf
14:19.37ajavid!dpkgbot
14:19.37dpkgPlease visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>.  Also ask me about <msg the bot>.  We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem.  Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.  Ask me about <search dpkg>.
14:19.44superjoeranix: I thought we use aptitude now
14:20.00ranixsuperjoe: don't know about we, but I have been using apt for 10 years and I'm not about to change
14:20.03ranix!why not aptitude
14:20.04dpkgAptitude uses more memory than apt-get and this is about the only reason not to use it as a replacement for the more primitive frontend to libapt that apt-get provides you with. Aptitude also suffers from some bugs that apt-get doesn't have but the converse is also true. Note that aptitude can't download source packages for you but that's no reason to not use aptitude for all your binary package handling.
14:20.11superjoeranix: I actually prefer apt-get
14:20.16superjoeI think I'll switch back then
14:20.18poisonbitranix, lspci | grep -i audio  ?
14:20.21ajaviddon't
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14:20.26ajavidjust stick with aptitude
14:20.28ranixdon't use them too interchangeably
14:20.41ranixuse apt if you prefer it and have not started using aptitude
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14:20.43g00sethat's a pity, since running it is the way i have to get sound working. And i have to run it intermittently
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14:21.05superjoeso g00se are you and me in the same boat?
14:21.32g00sesuperjoe: I think i missed your earlier. I could have hardware probs
14:21.46superjoeranix: that's my point, alsaconf is gone
14:21.58superjoeg00se: what repo are you using?
14:22.05ranixsuperjoe: apt-cache search alsaconf shows nadasquat?
14:22.13g00sesuperjoe: stable
14:22.20Pascal_1any idea for my problem ?
14:22.31g00se(so i have it fortunately)
14:22.33ranixwhat about apt-file search alsaconf
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14:22.46ranixmine shows the script as a member of alsa-utils
14:22.47superjoeranix: $ apt-file show alsaconf... no output
14:22.54ranixapt-file search alsaconf
14:22.55superjoeranix: what repo?
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14:23.03ranixmine is Lenny
14:23.05poisonbitREADME.Debian of alsa-base talks about kernel modules
14:23.07craigevilalsaconf still shows up in sid doing apt-file search alsaconf  > alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf
14:23.08superjoethat's why
14:23.10superjoeI'm using squeeze
14:23.42superjoeranix: you want to pastebin that for me real quick? I'll see if it's doing anything I should be doing
14:23.51superjoeI mean the  alsaconf script
14:24.10ranixsuperjoe: Roll you repositories back to lenny. Remove alsa-utils v1.0.20.something then install the v1.0.16-2 version. Pin it. Set your repositories back to normal. Should go in ok.
14:24.18superjoeok
14:24.20ranixthen rerun alsaconf
14:24.26poisonbit"Unfortunately, alsaconf can only detect one sound card and is generally
14:24.26poisonbita poorly written program."  <-- form the readme
14:24.32poisonbitfrom
14:24.32superjoeI have to learn how to pin something
14:24.41superjoepoisonbit: I read the readme
14:24.42ranixit's a shame it was replaced without an alternative though
14:24.53superjoeit looks like it was a good change, but I guess something broke
14:24.53ranix!tell superjoe -about pinning
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14:25.18superjoethanks
14:25.21ranixalsa-utils seems at first glance to have become a victim of poor package maintenance in squeeze
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14:25.40superjoeit's kind of important
14:25.44superjoeI wish they'd give it more care
14:26.06ranixlooks like the maintainer has a bone to pick with alsaconf, is all
14:26.13superjoewhich seems valid
14:26.28ranixbit of a drastic measure to repackage alsa-utils without it and with no alternative
14:26.35superjoeyeah
14:26.53superjoewhy would my system miss that file though? I thought you only run it once
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14:27.12craigevilits supposed to be handled automagically by udev, but like the shiny new xorg rarely works properly
14:27.19superjoeah I see
14:27.33superjoeor rather, I accept that it is more complicated
14:27.36ranixI think it's not alsaconf itself that's causing your problem, just that you have a configuration issue alsaconf can fix
14:27.57superjoeI want to try to fix the configuration issue
14:28.08superjoewithout alsaconf
14:28.14ranixk
14:28.24ranixI'd read up on the relationship between alsa and udev
14:28.36ranixI haven't manually configured a sound card since oss and isapnp
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14:28.51mutanteon a new server that has just been pre-installed (minimal) and given to me, debian_version=5.0.2, i have trouble adding any source to sources.list,   http://pastebin.com/m18d88c1e  . I have the exact sources.list from another server that is also debian_version 5.0.2 and it works,
14:29.09harksuperjoe: does alsamixer -c1 show your card?
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14:29.28mutanteis that because of GPG keys? tried adding a key already
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14:29.51superjoehark: yes
14:30.01poisonbitmutante, is the clock and date okey ?
14:30.12superjoewhat, that's the only problem?
14:30.20superjoeso I need to somehow change the default to 1
14:30.26harksuperjoe: then don't do the alsaconf thing
14:30.26superjoeor link 0 to 1 or something
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14:30.38craigevilmutante:  why do you need to stable repos? http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main is the same as nl just a different country code
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14:30.43abrotmanmutante: first, your sources should probably point at lenny, not 'stable'
14:30.55mutantepoisonbit: hmmm, its 3 minutes off in the future
14:31.09superjoehark: that's a great find. do you know how to configure it so that 1 is my default instead of 0?
14:31.20mutantecraigevil: because at one point in the past, the .de one did not work, and i added the .nl, historic reasons
14:31.28mutanteabrotman: ok, will change that
14:31.28abrotmanmutante: second, you only need one main mirror, third, what happens if you try to download that file manually ?
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14:31.53craigevilmutante:  nl was timing out for me earlier today
14:32.02harksuperjoe: yes
14:32.19superjoeis sitting on the edge of his seat
14:32.25harksuperjoe: moment
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14:33.34mutanteabrotman: http://pastebin.com/m132ad8ca  |  it tries "http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages" that is really 404
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14:33.51alezzHi. Cacti suddenly stopped graphing my ethernet traffic interface of a Linux machine. I've googled for it, but I could not find a solution for this. Could anyone give me a quick hand?
14:33.54kn0xdebian/rules:110: *** commands commence before first target.  Stop.
14:33.56kn0xdpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2
14:34.04kn0xanyone seen that with debuild?
14:34.08ranixweird
14:34.12ranixsuperjoe: do you have a -c0?
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14:34.20mcgregI have a probably stupid. if my laptop had a webcam built in, lscpi probably would list it, right?
14:34.26superjoeranix: $ alsamixer -c0
14:34.26superjoeNo mixer elems found
14:34.27mcgreg+question
14:34.30ranixbizarre
14:34.37poisonbitmcgreg, sometimes it is in lsusb
14:34.43mutanteabrotman: it tries to get the file "Packages" while there only exists "Packages.gz" on the mirror
14:34.48superjoeranix: I agree
14:35.10mcgregok, thx
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14:35.23harksuperjoe: there are multiple ways to go about it, one way is http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 . the other is to pass the index=1 option in /etc/modprobe.d/ to the driver
14:35.31kn0xdo I have to recompile to disable SOAP?
14:35.40superjoehark: you are awesome
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14:35.44ranixsuperjoe: you can also set up a ~/.asoundrc
14:35.47kn0xI dont see anything in my INI about it
14:35.47superjoeI don't know how you guessed such an obscure fix
14:35.54ranixhark: that was a pretty raad gut fix
14:36.04superjoeI mean you just flat out nailed it out of nowhere
14:36.23harkno, it's a common enough case
14:36.29superjoeoh yeah?
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14:37.01harkwell, somewhat :)
14:37.47abrotmanmutante: just comment out the .nl mirror ..
14:37.49harkyou used to be able to set the default card with asoundconf set-default-card, but even that's gone now
14:38.02superjoeis glad he didn't fsck with his repositories
14:38.12mutanteabrotman: i did
14:38.21abrotmanso what'st he problem ?
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14:38.33abrotmanmutante: oh .. do you have a proxy ?
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14:38.48mutanteit tries to fetch the file "/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages" while there is only "/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz"  (with the .gz extension)
14:38.49abrotmanmutante: all the IPs are the same .. something is wrong
14:38.51mutanteso it gets a 404
14:39.16abrotmanor all the hosts have the same IP ...
14:39.42mutantehmm, maybe something related to IPv6? shrug..   noticing   404 Not Found [IP: 2a01:198:200:4fa::2 80]
14:39.56kn0xI see this debuild error all over google
14:40.08abrotmanmutante: or your proxy ?
14:40.58mutanteabrotman: hmm, http_proxy is not set, i am not aware of a proxy.. hmm
14:41.46mutanteabrotman: i guess i can say its outside my virtual machine then and blame the network admin, and ask about DNS
14:42.09harkthe preference is for ipv6 if both are available, by default iirc
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14:48.58iluminator101Whats a good form filler add on for firefox?
14:49.43superjoeiluminator101: I think you're in the wrong place
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14:51.32carbonizeHi, I can get Internet working on Opera :( It was working earlier & no problems with Iceweasel/Epiphany
14:52.03craigevililuminator101:  asking that question on irc.mozilla.org #firefox would get you more answers
14:52.16magnuXcarbonize, are you sure your connection its ok?
14:52.51carbonizemagnuX: Yes, I am online on the same connection. Also, iceweasel & Epiphany have no problems connecting
14:53.19abrotmancarbonize: i think opera has an offline mode ...
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14:53.48carbonizeIt's not checked
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14:54.16magnuXwhen you try to open www.debian.org
14:54.24magnuXwhich message do you get?
14:54.26carbonizeLet me upgrade screenshot of the error
14:54.36magnuXcarbonize, yes, please
14:55.00iluminator101thanks craigevil, you are that evil afterall
14:55.01mutanteabrotman: thanks, it was IPv6 caused somehow, the problem is gone after i "ifconfig eth0 inet6 del .." the v6 address on my eth0
14:55.14iluminator101you are not that evil afterall*
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14:57.30carbonizemagnuX: Opera screenshot - http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6666/operaerrorm.png
14:57.31kavakavaAnyone else having problems with Iceweasel and sites with CSS? For instance the menu at the right at http://www.csszengarden.com/ have a white line in the middle. When I move my mouse pointer over the line will "break".
14:58.05kavakavaMozilla Iceweasel 3.0.9, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2009 mozilla.org
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14:58.28kavakavaRunning Debian 64 bits "squeeze" if it matters.
14:58.36magnuXcarbonize, checking
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14:59.21harkkavakava: no problems with the latest iceweasel here
14:59.24carbonizekavakava: I don't see any abnormality. I am on Iceweasek (Lenny) with all scripts blocked
14:59.31stewwhat my best option for doing virtualization on a machine without vmx? qemu?  I need to host a low traffic website somewhere where I don't care about giving these jokers root access
14:59.35stewkavakava: it looks fine to me
14:59.36carbonizeiceweasel**
14:59.36kavakavaWhat version are you running?
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14:59.56carbonizeIceweasel 3.0.6
15:00.01stew3.0.9-1
15:00.02magnuXstew, in my opinion Xen
15:00.24harkkavakava: running 3.5 but i can check with the older version a little later on
15:00.26stewmagnuX: does lenny have a dom0 kernel?
15:00.39magnuXstew, yes
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15:00.43kavakavahark: Don't bother. I've had the problem for ages, but not bothered with it.
15:00.46craigevilkavakava:  that site looks fine here on sid running Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090707 Firefox/3.5 (Debian-3.5-1)
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15:01.04magnuXcarbonize, which Opera version are you running?
15:01.16Glebelghi, I just installed fglrx (9.6)on my debian sid (2.6.30) with module-assistant, everything works great except OGL...glxinfo/glxgears/whatsever requesting glx freeze the computer...
15:01.19kavakavaAny tips what could be wrong?
15:01.27carbonizeOpera 9.64
15:01.40magnuXcarbonize, did you tried to unstall it, purge the config files and reinstall?
15:01.55magnuXuninstall*
15:02.03carbonizeIt was working fine before I ran 'apt-get upgrade'
15:02.23craigevilcarbonize:  no need to uninstall just try renaming .opera
15:02.40magnuXcarbonize, I am using 9.63 without any problem
15:02.42Glebelgmy xorg log file have warnings : (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
15:03.09carbonizecraigevil: rename .opera & reinstall Opera again?
15:03.13magnuXcarbonize, mv .opera .operaold
15:03.22magnuXin your home directory
15:03.28craigevilcarbonize:  just rename .opera then restart it
15:03.34carbonizeOkay, let me try
15:03.36harkGlebelg: you can ignore it, which version of debian?
15:04.09Glebelgsid
15:04.26carbonizecraigevil: same error :(
15:05.14superjoehark: ranix: Bingo. http://blah.pastebin.com/m30fc2bd1
15:05.27superjoeit thinks my midi keyboard is a sound device
15:05.27magnuXcarbonize, try reinstall
15:05.28craigevilcarbonize:  using a proxy?
15:05.34Glebelg??? so except that i dont know what was wrong i update my kernel, removed all old fglrx packages and reinstall it cleanly followinf the wiki
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15:06.18carbonizeNo, direct connection
15:06.36kavakavaI just downloaded Mozilla Firefox 3.5.1, and the problem excist there as well.
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15:07.05cemunalhow can i install sid?
15:07.15cemunal!sid
15:07.15dpkgfrom memory, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian.  It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway.  Ask me about <unstable>.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.  It will never be released.  See <sid faq>.
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15:07.28valdynstew: what about uml?
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15:10.06jpinx-eeepccemunal: if you have to ask how to install sid - don't ;)
15:10.08ajavidwhat about uml
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15:10.27Section58yo yo, would 'dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/root/martin.iso' copy all of my usb pen (including the mbr) to an .iso file
15:10.36Section58or do i need moah options
15:10.51jpinx-eeepcSection58: that looks ok as is
15:11.02Section58ok sweet, thanks
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15:11.27jpinx-eeepcajavid: yea - what about uml ;)
15:11.38Glebelgdpkg : thank for your help...
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15:11.38dpkgmy pleasure, Glebelg
15:11.42ajavidgenerating code from uml is nice...
15:11.51cemunal!sid faq
15:11.51dpkghttp://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze...
15:12.00ajavidcreate uml diags, generate code, rejoice
15:12.07ajavidthas what about uml! dun dun dun
15:12.35jpinx-eeepcah - but can it play guitar?
15:12.56ajavidif you program it like so, sure
15:13.34Glebelgdpkg, i'm using debian sid for few years now...i had a lot a problems, it's my technic to learn...
15:13.35dpkgYou are moron #1, Glebelg
15:13.57ajaviddamn, burned by the bot
15:15.21Glebelgfor you pleasure dpkg
15:17.05carbonizeThere are two option for 'opera' when I added Opera repos in sources.conf. Simple Opera & opera-static, can someone suggest what's the difference between them?
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15:17.37carbonizeversion numbers are identical for both of them
15:17.42olri_hi guy's
15:17.53superjoewhat! now only one app can use alsa at a time :(
15:18.15Glebelgbut let me understand Mr dpkg...why are you here if it's to insult others?
15:19.07themilldpkg, bot
15:19.07dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
15:19.10olri_i need to replace a faulty /dev/sdb, but got a new /dev/sdg, it's possible to change device name back to /dev/sdb with out a reboot ?
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15:19.27superjoeoh never mind, I think amarok was using pulseaudio or something
15:19.56cemunaldaily images don't install system succesly; what about weekly images of squeeze?
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15:21.20Glebelgsorry dpkg, i thinf i missed something...my fault.
15:21.34hetOrakelhi, when i start rhytmbox nothing happens (i tried also from shell, gives error message)
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15:23.42hetOrakeli get nothing null zip, no messages the prompt is gone for a split second and then returns to me with noting
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15:24.10nkuttlerhetOrakel: you just said starting from the shell gives error messages
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15:24.43hetOrakelsorry, mistyped that, should be:  gives no errmes
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15:25.02Gnutoohi, I went on the page about debootstrap, it told to use pbuilder to create a chroot and so I compiled pbuilder I've 0.122 but...it doesn't let me create a lenny distro:  --distribution [distribution(potato/woody/sarge/sid)] what should I do?
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15:27.36carbonizeHi again, when I run 'winecfg' it segfaults
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15:27.51carbonizeLenny 5.0.2 with KDE here
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15:28.41cemunaldo weekly squeeze images have free flash support like lenny images?
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15:31.56dbboltoni think i have a serious problem with my system. it doesn't boot into a shell, but i still get dmsg output like when i plug in a usb mouse
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15:32.30Gnutooanyone knows pbuilder?
15:32.59Gnutoocarbonize, maybe debug it(install the corresponding -dbg and use gdb)
15:33.09Gnutoocarbonize, and then bugreport
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15:33.32carbonizeokay, thank you!
15:33.40Gnutoodbbolton, do you have more details?
15:33.49cemunal(18:28:40) cemunal: do weekly squeeze images have free flash support like lenny images?
15:34.16Gnutoocemunal, what do you mean by flash? something like gnash?
15:34.29cemunalyes
15:34.37dbboltonGnutoo what kind of details- i can't get to a shell so there isnt a lot i can do
15:35.14Gnutoodbbolton, I debugged something like that with my router....look what services it starts,which runlevels it loads
15:35.23amgarchingI have "ypbind"ed a debian machine to NIS/YP domain, however "ypcat passwd" does not return all of the accounts: "ypcat passwd|wc" returns 201 lines on server and 181 lines on debian machine. What am I doing wrong?
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15:36.03Gnutoocemunal, sorry I don't know but why can't you install gnash or swfdec after you have installed squeeze
15:36.24Gnutooby the way I don't know a lot about debian
15:36.35g00sedbbolton: Try posting a video of it booting
15:36.59Gnutoodbbolton, if it just doesn't load the shell you can try to strace the shell loading thing hooking strace in /etc/inittab
15:37.16Gnutooor look at the return code
15:37.43cemunalGnutoo: i want no flash in squeeze. do you know images have flash?
15:38.08Gnutoocemunal, I bet the images don't have adobe flash but maybe they have gnash or swfdec
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15:38.30Gnutoobecause flash is not free software so I bet it can't be included in the images...
15:39.24cemunalGnutoo: how can i learn do squeeze images have gnash or swfdec?
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15:40.04Gnutoocemunal, I don't know sorry(maybe you could run them in a vm to see)
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15:44.50iluminator101How do backup an image of my current system?
15:45.10amgarchingok I fixed that. One needs to add IPs of domain servers to /etc/yp.conf ...
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15:48.43Gnutoohi is there anyone that knows pbuilder here:
15:48.50Gnutoo*is it the right tool for a chroot
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15:49.15kavakavaRegarding iluminator101 question: Would you come a long way by copying your sources.list and home folder, and running dpkg --get-selections?
15:49.17Gnutoo*how do I configure it for lenny when I only have theses options:  --distribution [distribution(potato/woody/sarge/sid)]
15:49.34g00sesqueeze has swfdec-mozilla
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15:52.08iluminator101I mean I been trying to use this boottocd program
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15:54.32iluminator101I want to make an image of the system i am using?
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15:55.04cemunalGnutoo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/list-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.list.gz ««« i found
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15:55.47ranixiluminator101: you can't simply make an image. Similarly how to 'make an image' of Windows you need to go buy a program, in Linux you gnerally need to learn how partitions and filesystems work
15:56.13ranixiluminator101: I would use dump/restore with dd to make a backup of my system on a per-filesystem basis
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15:56.32ranixiluminator101: and I would use fdisk with restore to restore it
15:57.20ranixiluminator101: google has some good howtos on how to use dump/restore, some alternatives are tar with gzip or just dding your entire disk through gzip
15:57.27ranixiluminator101: also man dd
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15:58.20Gnutoocemunal, ok
15:58.48Gnutooiluminator101, there are various ways to do it
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15:59.22Gnutooiluminator101, you could use dd to make a raw backup of the hdd,tar or some backups programs
16:00.05Gnutooiluminator101, personally I prefer low level tools for the backup but you have to know how they work
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16:01.03carbonizeiluminator101: there's Norton Ghost for Linux as well
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16:01.50abrotman!g4l
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16:02.09abrotmanhttp://g4l.sourceforge.net/
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16:06.14iluminator101hmm...
16:06.41iluminator101i tried to do mindi but it does not support ext4
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16:17.57linduxedafter reboot, i have no network interfaces
16:17.57linduxedi've tried checking if it has something to do with the kernel, but the problem persists on both the kernel that worked an hour ago and on the current one
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16:21.34linduxedabrotman: well that was informative... but it doesnt provide me a way of solving my problem...
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16:28.08sigmonsaysIs there something i can do to abort a post install task?
16:28.34sigmonsaysmtop and runit are trying to run some package specific script that is failing.. with every apt-get command =)
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16:30.01CutMeOwnThroatfix the packages that failed to install properly
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16:37.52SexyKen01 */4 * * *  - is that the proper cron setting for running a cron at 12:01, 4:01, 8:01 of am and pm?
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16:40.03superjoewhat's that command to list what ports you're listening on?
16:40.11SexyKennetstat -L
16:41.13superjoegracias
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16:41.41poisonbitSexyKen, yes
16:41.51poisonbit(the cron line)
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16:42.31TTimohello. can someone points me to documentation about how the new 32 bit support for unstable amd64 is supposed to work?
16:42.32SexyKenThank you
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16:45.24alexidoiais it possible to see who is in my group ?
16:45.40sigmonsaysCutMeOwnThroat, That's not the point
16:45.47sigmonsaysCutMeOwnThroat, It's not broken.
16:47.18TTimocome on help a brother out here
16:47.19poisonbitalexidoia, grep $USER /etc/group
16:47.26alexidoiathanks
16:48.38CutMeOwnThroatsigmonsays, they are not properly installed because postinstall failed from what you said... apt will keep trying until it succeeds
16:48.46poisonbitalexidoia, mmm better this:  grep $GROUPS /etc/group
16:49.08CutMeOwnThroatyou might pastebin what you see though, then we don't have to guess
16:49.13sigmonsaysCutMeOwnThroat, the package is installed, mysql for instance, wants to do some database maintance, but I took access away, so it never completes
16:49.29sigmonsaysthere is no way to abort a post install task?
16:49.31sigmonsayssilly.
16:49.57CutMeOwnThroatyou're saying you removed part of the package, now postinstall fails?
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16:50.12sigmonsaysI never said I removed anything
16:50.20MalfermitaKodoHi
16:50.25sigmonsaysoh man
16:50.28sigmonsaysnever mind
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16:50.38poisonbitsigmonsays, you can strace the process and see wath is waiting
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16:51.01MalfermitaKodoStupid question: where can I report a translation error concerning apt?
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16:51.04poisonbitor send some signal... but i don't know what signal is the correct in this case
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16:51.32poisonbitMalfermitaKodo, there are translitions mailing lists per language, in debian.org
16:51.45poisonbittranslation
16:52.17MalfermitaKodok
16:52.45CutMeOwnThroatthe way I see it we could give a lot more helpful advice if he could make clear what the problem is :)
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16:55.58abrotmanlinduxed: did you figure it out ?
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16:57.17braqoonhi, does anybody know how to setup "ulimit -n" permamently ? after i log out the value comes back to 1024
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16:57.49MalfermitaKodobraqoon: .profile?
16:58.07dboehmerhello everyone
16:58.18dboehmeri need help configuring apache2
16:58.34dboehmerunfortunately #apache seems to be very inactive. i try it here
16:58.37abrotmanjust ask
16:58.58dboehmeri have 2 virtual hosts. the dns names are wildcards from a dyndns host
16:59.13CutMeOwnThroatbraqoon, look if  /etc/security/limits.conf can do it
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16:59.28CutMeOwnThroat(if you want it for all users)
16:59.48poisonbitor for some group :)
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17:01.13poisonbitdboehmer, in the virtualhosts, add   ServerAlias          *.your.domain
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17:01.28braqoonCutMeOwnThroat:  i did that, but it seems that after reboot (don't know how to reload on the fly this one) didn't take it), i did : user  soft nofile 100000
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17:02.16poisonbitbrammator, didn't you add a "hard" line ?
17:02.27poisonbitsorry, ^^^ braqoon
17:02.36brammator1-)
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17:02.48braqoonpoisonbit:  i did, exactly like soft one
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17:04.17poisonbitbraqoon, mmm maybe the value is to hight ?  i don't know, but maybe sysctl limitations
17:04.31poisonbitsysctl -a | grep max | grep fs
17:05.15poisonbitwhat limit do you have after reboot ?
17:05.36braqoon1024 per user
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17:06.00braqoonpoisonbit:  sysctl : fs.file-max = 500000
17:06.26poisonbitthen it's not what i say :)
17:06.46braqoonpoisonbit: thanks for input anyway
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17:07.21braqoonhmm i will set up global in limits.conf not per user
17:07.28braqoonwill see what will happen :)
17:07.37syslq78Stupid question I know but I'm confused by reading some man stuff: What is the difference between Device and Device Node?
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17:08.23poisonbit/etc/security/limits.conf works only for services that use pam and the pam module pam_limits
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17:10.23poisonbitbraqoon, maybe  echo "100001" > /proc/sys/fs/file-max  ?
17:10.31poisonbita no, sorry
17:10.37poisonbityou have a higher limit
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17:11.31alsdhi there
17:11.43dboehmeri want apache to deliver pages for host1 and host2 (example hostnames) but not for any other hostname
17:11.43dboehmerproblem is any arbitary hostname will link to my IP thanks to the dyndns wildcard
17:11.43dboehmerthus i have set up two virtualhosts with names without wildcards
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17:11.46dboehmerbut apache2 delivers pages for every hostname
17:11.54dboehmerany ideas how to prevent that?
17:12.06alsdis is possible to specify a local mirror for the debian installer without going through expert mode?
17:12.30poisonbitdboehmer, create a null host
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17:13.30dboehmerpoisonbit, i have a long network lag here:(
17:13.30dboehmerpoisonbit, why should i add *.yourdomain.tld to one virtual host? i want apache to NOT deliver anything if a non-existing hostname is requested
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17:13.54dboehmerpoisonbit, what else do i need to specify in that host?
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17:14.55poisonbitdboehmer, configure the 2 virtualhost that you want, whit servername
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17:15.01poisonbitand a 3 virtualhost
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17:15.05poisonbitwith no servername
17:15.20poisonbitonly the serveralias  *.yourdomain
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17:17.33poisonbitdboehmer, if you want, you can declare /dev/null as DocumentRoot for the null host
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17:19.04dboehmerpoisonbit, now i get "directory / not found on server" which is quite better. can i do anything to produce some error message in the browser?
17:19.04dboehmeri'd like to have the same error like DNS name cannot be resolved
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17:19.39poisonbitmmm that will not happen, becuase you've a dns wildcard
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17:19.58braqoonhmm, weird i guess that this ulimit 1024 should be set it up somwhere in /etc/ but i can find it with grep
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17:21.28dboehmerpoisonbit, i can create a "address not found" web page with advertising on it like the huge internet access providers do:)
17:21.47poisonbityes, more elegant
17:21.56poisonbitor an empty index.html
17:22.17poisonbitor a redirection
17:22.47dboehmerpoisonbit, thanks so far. you've helped me very well!
17:23.01poisonbityou're welcome
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17:26.31poisonbitis the architecture of svn.debian.org documented ?  it's a HA infraestructure ?
17:26.44poisonbitneeds to redesign the svn service at work
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17:27.11maligorhow does ia32-apt-get work? I can't seem to make it do anything
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17:30.37ktlra default application is kill a process what is sometimes eat 350/400% cpu , is it possible ? if it whats the name of application that do it this ?
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17:30.57scimmiahi, I would like to know if it is possible to change the order of disk device at boot
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17:31.19scimmiaI would like usb disk named as sda, and internal one as sdb
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17:32.20poisonbitktlr, i think you mean 100% ?
17:32.23poisonbitsee monit
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17:35.38ktlrpoisonbit, the application is use 4 thread, and the server has got 4 processor , but something is killing the application , and i dont know what application is do it
17:36.00OpenTokixktlr: check your vmstat, sounds like ioproblems to me
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17:36.14aboyzcan someone help me with bash.. I want to create a script that will monitor if something is running that does ps aux | grep xinc . If the grep xinc output then its running. if it doesn't then its dead, then i want that to excute a command /etc/init.d/xinc start
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17:37.10poisonbitpgrep xinc || /etc/init.d/xinc start
17:37.20poisonbitoneliner
17:37.52poisonbitktlr, linux kill applications when it run out of memory
17:37.57poisonbitruns
17:38.09scimmiahi, I would like to know if it is possible to change the order of disk device at boot
17:38.12scimmiaI would like usb disk named as sda, and internal one as sdb
17:38.24azeem_scimmia: why?
17:38.40scimmiabecause I would like to boot from usb disk
17:38.52scimmiawhere I have a dm-crypted system
17:38.59azeem_how is that related to sda vs. sdb?
17:39.09scimmiaand kernel wants to find root in sda7
17:39.34scimmiaazeem_, if you can point an other solution I'll take it
17:39.47azeem_scimmia: tell the kernel root is on sdb
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17:40.47aboyzpoisonbit. what is tthe pgrep xinc?
17:41.12scimmiaazeem_,  something like root=/dev/mapper/sdb7_crypt?
17:41.22scimmiadoesn't work
17:41.34aboyzpoisonbit. so what sup..
17:41.37azeem_!doesn't work
17:41.38dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:41.48poisonbitaboyz, from the man page:  pgrep,  pkill  -  look  up  or signal processes based on name and other
17:41.48poisonbit<PROTECTED>
17:42.02twobitspritehmm... I dd'd the netinst CD iso down to a USB key, but it won't boot... am I missing a step or something?
17:42.05scimmiaazeem_, :-) I was explaining :-)
17:42.25poisonbittwobitsprite, iso and usb are diferent media
17:42.28aboyzpoisobit. so how do i make it so if ps | grep xinc is not showing it does a /etc/init.d/xinc
17:42.32scimmiaazeem_, it tries to mount from sda, that is the internal disk
17:42.42poisonbittwobitsprite, you've to download the hd-media, and read the doc
17:42.43azeem_scimmia: so basically, you want to use your external, encrypted USB drive with several computers, and some have PATA, and some SATA?
17:42.56scimmiaazeem_, yep
17:43.03twobitspritepoisonbit: where is the hd media and/or the doc?
17:43.16azeem_scimmia: try to use a UUID in /etc/crypttab instead of a plain device name, maybe
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17:43.26poisonbittwobitsprite, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
17:43.34poisonbittwobitsprite, is well documented
17:43.39scimmiaazeem_, this disk was inside my pc until 2 months ago, than I moved it outside in a usb case
17:44.03scimmiaazeem_, I tried also the UUID stuff...
17:44.05Arrowmasterif i am creating an lvm ontop of a fairly large hardware raid, would i want to still avoid going over 65k extents even if using lvm2? not sure if i want to use 64M or 128M for the extent size
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17:45.12poisonbittwobitsprite, 4.3 chapter
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17:45.45azeem_scimmia: are you waiting for me to ask "and what happened?"?
17:46.07scimmianot really, but it doesnt worked
17:46.17scimmiaI was googling for some hints
17:46.27azeem_scimmia: /msg dpkg doesn't work
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17:46.51scimmiawith the uuid stuff nothing changed, it still tried to mount sda7
17:46.53Titan8990!doesntwork > azeem_
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17:47.09scimmiaand in sda there are only 6 partitions, so it stops
17:47.16scimmiasda is still the internal one.
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17:47.30Titan8990if its trying to mount it while you are in xserver it could be HAL that is doing to automounting
17:47.44Titan8990otherwise mounting will not occur outside of fstab
17:47.52scimmiaazeem_, I read the dpkg answer about doesnt work... ;-)
17:48.15Sashiwould anyone know what would cause this?
17:48.15Sashihttp://pastebin.ca/1498481
17:48.57Titan8990segfault?
17:49.08Titan8990any number of things but typically an issue with the code
17:49.37Sashibut its xmlrpc
17:49.37Sashilol
17:50.09scimmiaI tried also to use the grub's map command, but it seems it is not recognized, doesnt come out with an error, but silenty ignored
17:50.35Titan8990Sashi, this is why debian has an awesome package management system
17:50.42Sashilol Titan8990?
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17:50.53Sashilibxmlrpc is outdated
17:50.55Titan8990Sashi, so you don't have to deal with build failures such as that
17:50.57Sashiwell stable..
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17:52.42shivrajI've finally figured out the optimal mouse setting in GNOME ..
17:53.02maligorgood for you
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17:53.20shivrajsensitivy = 0 and acceleration at about 80%
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17:53.39abrotmanSashi: too outdated for what ?
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17:53.49maligorI pretty much got used to X standard back when I used wmaker and was too lazy to change it
17:53.54abrotmanSashi: oh, you're building rtorrent ?
17:54.03Sashiyea aboyz
17:54.06Sashiabrotman*
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17:54.10shivrajmaligor: you dont have to be so sarcastic ... Im just sharing ...
17:54.17maligorI mean it :P
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17:54.28abrotmanSashi: haven't you had this problem for a few weeks?
17:54.40shivrajmaligor: I must have messed with the settings but I finally got it to where I like it,
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17:54.52Sashiabrotman: well it was fine but all these changes and "fixes" that the devs @ xmlrpc did
17:54.59Sashimade it seg fualt
17:55.23maligordid the mouse acceleration changes get into 1.6 or?
17:55.25mmatticegot a machine I just installed with lenny, trying to get it to boot off it's lvm2 based / is not working.  I get "mounting /dev/root on /root no such device" and get dumped into the initrd busybox
17:55.28maligorxserver 1.6 that is
17:55.51Titan8990mmattice, you should never make / an lvm volume....
17:55.52maligorit did, I never noticed
17:56.15Titan8990mmattice, / should be a physical partition then all sub dirs or / can be on their on logical volumes
17:56.29abrotmanSashi: refresh my memory .. what's wrong with rtorrent in lenny ?
17:56.37maligorshivraj, http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration for more (if you use sid or testing?, stable wouldn't have this)  :P
17:56.42Sashiabrotman: nothing? its ourdated
17:56.50poisonbit<PROTECTED>
17:56.50abrotmanbad answer .. have fun
17:56.56shivrajmaligor: I use lenny , but let me take a look
17:57.01Sashiabrotman: well the speeds are inconsistence
17:57.04mmattice/boot is a physical partition
17:57.16Sashiabrotman: with rtorrent in debians package
17:57.20mmattice/dev/mapper has the root fs nodes in it
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17:58.28poisonbitmmattice, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata
17:58.38poisonbitmaybe you've the 3 issue
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17:59.55shivrajmaligor: interesting polynomial acc .. I knew something was wrong, good to see they worked on the code, its little things like this that keep people from using linux and gnome .. needs more polishing thats all
18:00.10maligorheh
18:00.24maligoryeah, xorg still has lots of old legacy crud
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18:01.08shivrajmaligor: legacy from who ?
18:01.18maligorxorg was based on XFree86
18:01.47maligorand that's from 1992 :P
18:02.01mmatticepoisonbit: don't have multiple controllers with discs on them, and lvm knows where the partitions are supposedly.  it successfully activates them it just can't for whatever reason mount the lvm volume.  I also cannot mount it somewhere other than / manually
18:02.19shivrajright thats what I thought, well they have to work on the more critical issues first :)
18:03.02maligoryes, like pushing out new acceleration architectures for intel drivers every few months
18:03.35Titan8990how about pushing a new kernel version that doesn't work with 1/3 of video cards....
18:03.49Titan8990debian hasn't yet but many distros have
18:03.58poisonbitmmattice, mmattice have you checked fstab ?
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18:04.02maligorsid has 2.6.30
18:04.06sicainehi
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18:04.10sicainehi, i have debian lenny running and wanna compile fuse with m-a but m-a says i need kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686. I cant find anywhere and search.debian.org cant find it too. any ideas?
18:04.17maligorstable won't have for a while ;)
18:04.43themillsicaine: that's not a lenny kernel... that's from sarge. You've not upgraded your kernel for a long time, have you?
18:04.51mmatticepoisonbit: it looks correct to me.  lilo doesn't complain when run
18:05.00sicaineaeh i made a dist-upgrade themill?
18:05.05abrotmansicaine: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. unless you want to keep your super old kernel
18:05.27shivrajmaligor: right, do those intel cards run cool ? my sister's ibm t60 has a card that runs so hot its scary ... like 75C
18:05.36sicainetx i will try it out. i thougt it will upgrade my kernel automaticaly
18:06.07poisonbitmmattice, i'm sorry, i never had that problem, lvm in the installer just works (also i use grub instead of lilo, long time ago)
18:06.30abrotmansicaine: only if you have the metapackage installed
18:06.32maligorshivraj, that's a bit OT, but intels are relatively low performance stuff, most integrated (non-discrete graphics) should be relatively cool
18:06.51maligor75C sounds like a discrete board
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18:07.16shivrajyeah its an ATI
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18:07.47riotumpf, my start-stop-daemon here (using testing) doesn't correctly switch users when i launch it with -c username
18:08.11riotspecifically openerp-server still is trying to authenticate via "root" after launching with -c openerp
18:08.40azeem_riot: authenticate how?
18:08.50maligorshivraj, the higher end desktop stuff can run at 90C these days
18:08.56sicainewhy is proftpd not longer needed with the new kernel?
18:09.01azeem_riot: if the code wants to authenticate as root, s-s-d will not be able to change it
18:09.02riotazeem_: it passes the current username to postgresql. Root doesn't work there
18:09.20azeem_riot: maybe it uses the effective uid or something
18:09.33azeem_riot: did you verify that the process runs as openerp?
18:09.41riotit works, when i start manually via sudo -u openerp
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18:11.30riothmm, maybe i found a workaround, i can pass a parameter to manually set the username. Weirdly openerp doesn't work when its being pointed at its configuration file.
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18:11.46mmatticepoisonbit: when it came time to install the bootloader, the installer didn't give me the choice of using grub
18:12.22poisonbitmmattice, whats your partition schema ?
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18:13.23poisonbitsda1 + sdb1 = md0 = /boot   and sda2 + sdb2 = md1 = lvm = rest ?
18:13.59poisonbitthe only time i had that isue (no grub in the installer) was in the iMac
18:14.11poisonbitthat is an Efi machine
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18:14.18mmatticesda1 /boot and sda2 is lvm.  no md usage.
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18:14.55valdynmmattice: when /boot is on lvm, then your only choice is lilo
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18:18.50jpinx-eeepcjudd: versions irssi
18:18.51juddjpinx-eeepc: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 lenny: 0.8.12-6 etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 0.8.13-2~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.13-2 squeeze: 0.8.13-2
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18:20.25juddjpinx-eeepc: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 sid: 1.2.3-2 squeeze: 1.2.3-2
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18:20.49sicainemh i have to update grub by myself after kernel upgrade?
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18:22.36abrotmansicaine: update-grub  (and possibly grub-install also)
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18:23.36sicaineshould it be enough to change my two symbolic links(initrd.img and vmlinuz) to the new kernelversions? 2.6.26-2-686 abrotman ?
18:24.52chellomeresicaine, I don't believe grub uses those.
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18:25.09chellomereno, it cannot
18:25.11sicainemy menu.lst says so chellomere
18:25.23sicainekernel          /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,57600
18:25.24sicaineinitrd          /initrd.img
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18:26.16chellomerethen I believe you've edited it yourself
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18:26.37Vasisthathere used to be a debian-kde channel, but I don't see it anymore. Anyone know what's up?
18:26.45reeherThis is the first time I've mucked about with Samba.  I have a share created to which I can connect from the local machine.  The local machine can connect to other Windows shares on the network.  The windows systems can see the server (ping, etc), but when I try and connect to the share on the Linux system, I get a System error 53 'Network path not found'.  netstat -an shows a listener on port 445.  <more details to come>
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18:27.20chellomeresicaine, if you have grub setup that way it should work, but note that this is very far from the approach normally used in debian.
18:27.31sicaineyeah possible chellomere the server is running for a few years. i hope it will reboot now. wish me luck :D -> i have a serial console for the worst case
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18:28.41chellomeresicaine, hehe ok
18:29.13abrotmansicaine: you can .. though if you do, you want to also change the .old ones
18:29.23abrotmansicaine: but usually grub points directly at the kernel/initrd
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18:29.25reeherBUT and nmap from an exterior system does not show port 445.  That's about all the info I can think to include.  Does anyone have any ideas as to why I cannot connect to this share?
18:30.07greycatreeher: what happens if you try to "telnet your.samba.host 445" from another unix/linux machine?
18:30.38reehergreycat: Hm.. let me boot my laptop and try.. one minute.
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18:33.36sicaineoh yeah it lives! *puh*
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18:33.56sicaineit didn't reboot so i got nervous :|
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18:34.20dfinn__is there a quick way in a bash script to check if a string is numeric?
18:35.01greycatdfinn__: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/054 -- How can I tell whether a variable contains a valid number?
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18:37.14reehergraycat:  sorry it took so long, needed to locate another ethernet cable.  anyway, as a control I telnetted to port 80 first, as expected, connected.  Then tried 445 and it hung until I killed it.
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18:37.56reehergreycat: sorry, greycat, not gray.
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18:38.17sicaineargh i have now no eth0 oO...
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18:38.59reeheresbjorn == spanish bear?
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18:39.17reeheresbjorn == spanish bear?
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18:43.14reeherSorry, have to say this.. esbjorn in my head went to spanish bear, then went to spanish fly and led to "When you absolutely, positively have to get her turned on."
18:43.25reeherducks
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18:43.40radexdebian sid kave problem to load kvm_amd module?
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18:46.16Titan8990is sid even still supported?
18:46.31wilsonjI just installed xfce on lenny, and now all of my windows are missing the menu bar at the top.. any ideas?
18:46.33radexsure it's unstable
18:46.48Titan8990wilsonj, xfwm --replace
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18:47.04wilsonjTitan8990, cool.. I'll give it try
18:47.13Titan8990wilsonj, sorry, xfwm4 --replace
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18:47.34Titan8990wilsonj, did you install the meta package?
18:47.52wilsonjTitan8990, meta package?
18:47.57wilsonjTitan8990, i suppose not
18:48.11Titan8990wilsonj, aptitude install xfce4
18:48.26wilsonjTitan8990, err... yes I did
18:48.40sicaineafter a little eth0_rename prob -> server is up and running. tx chellomere & abrotman :)
18:48.51abrotmansicaine: and you got your headers too ?
18:48.56abrotman!tell sicaine about z25
18:49.17wilsonjTitan8990, do I need to exit xfce to run that command?
18:49.32wilsonjTitan8990, because it's saying that another window manager is running
18:49.44reaper_im trying to install lenny on a compact flash drive (IDE->CF converter). The device is would be detectet as /dev/hda on lenny installation. i`ve selected the automated partitioning, reboot and grub says me: "Error 2", which means: "Selected disk doesn't exist". Any ideas whats going on?
18:50.12sicainei haven'tcheckt that yet abrotman i have to fix a proftp problem and localhost is unresolved :>
18:51.38reehergreycat:  I posted this once already, but waited the requisite 15 minutes before reposting in case you missed it...  anyway, as a control I telnetted to port 80 first, as expected, connected.  Then tried 445 and it hung until I killed it.
18:52.22greycatreeher: in other words, it connected just fine.  OK... so it's not a firewall blocking the port.  Then I don't understand your reported nmap result.
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18:52.34sicainewhats wrong with this line: 127.0.0.1 katrin localhost ?
18:52.47greycatreeher: no, wait... your abswer was actually unclear.  I don't know whether it connected, or not.
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18:53.09greycatreeher: did it say "Connected to your.samba.host.  Escape character is '^]'." ?
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18:53.21reehergreycat: No, just a blank line.
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18:53.42wilsonjTitan8990, still no luck.  :(
18:53.46greycatreeher: ah, then it's NOT connecting.  So it could be a firewall dropping the packets instead of sending back a rejection.
18:53.55sleptsicaine, delete katrin
18:53.57greycatreeher: check to see whether the samba host has a firewall of some sort.
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18:54.25Phil4wah|She| is PM spamming pr0n links if anyone can do anything
18:54.53sicainebut thats my hostname slept?
18:54.57reehergreycat: Hrm.. I'll follow that lead.  Thanks man.
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18:55.25azeemPhil4: thanks
18:55.28Phil4thanks :)
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18:56.21foxtrotdefault apache2 settings on debian arent for it to be an open proxy are they?
18:56.24Titan8990wilsonj, --replace is for when another windows manager is running
18:56.31Titan8990wilsonj, is the proccess running?
18:56.46Titan8990wilsonj, are you using a graphical login manager? what does your .xinitrc contain?
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18:57.22Titan8990wilsonj, and xserver needs to be running when you start the window manager
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19:00.21superjoeI installed mingw32, but I have no mingw32 binary
19:00.23superjoewhat's the deal?
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19:01.24shivrajsuperjoe: you need a 64bit operating system for that
19:01.28ustunozgurdoes links2 not support javascript anymore?
19:01.59superjoeshivraj: why?
19:02.19shivrajsuperjoe: just kidding where is your sense of humor :)
19:02.32superjoewut
19:02.33superjoeI don't get it
19:02.45shivrajhaha
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19:04.39sicainehost can resolve localhost but not ping or nmap or proftpd :(. i also changed my hostsfile
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19:08.08sicaineit has to be a problem with bind9 -> instead of using host it uses the dns server to lookup localhost
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19:09.25greycat"host" uses DNS
19:09.54sicaineistn host suposed to use the hosts file first?
19:10.20greycatNope, that's why it's in the dnsutils package.
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19:10.56greycatIf you want something that respects the normal system name resolution order, try getent hosts _hostname_
19:10.58sicaineand why is host able to resolve localhost and everything not?
19:11.12greycatMost DNS servers offer "localhost" just in case someone asks for it.
19:11.28greycatNot all, of course.
19:11.38greporyI need to ask for a list (of arbitrary length) of string values during package configuration.  is there a way to do that with debconf?
19:11.42greycatsvr1a:~$ host localhost.eeg.ccf.org
19:11.42greycatlocalhost.eeg.ccf.org has address 127.0.0.1
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19:12.06greporye.g. a list of hostnames to put in a rotor
19:13.02reaper_im trying to install lenny on a compact flash drive (IDE->CF converter). The device is would be detectet as /dev/hda on lenny installation. i`ve selected the automated partitioning, reboot and grub says me: "Error 2", which means: "Selected disk doesn't exist". Any ideas whats going on? The adapter and the cf-card is bootable (says the manufacturer)
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19:13.42jellygrepory: make it a single string, separated with spaces or commas or your favorite separator?
19:13.54Fersure!coffee
19:13.54dpkg[coffee] the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes
19:14.02greporyhmmm... that's a good idea.  heh.
19:14.06grepory*headdesk*
19:14.07Fersurewait what
19:14.19Fersureshushes now ;x
19:14.23JPTis it usual that konqueror goes on crashing when it has crashed once?...
19:14.29JPTKCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing...
19:14.34JPTSEGV
19:14.34greporythanks, jelly!
19:14.44sicainebut its not working for me. i cant ping localhost but host can resolve localhost
19:15.13asgsicaine: is your 'lo' interface up?
19:15.17sicaineyes
19:15.25greycatwhat error does "ping localhost" give?
19:15.43sicaineunkown host localhost
19:16.09greycatand what does "getent hosts localhost" say?
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19:16.35sicainenothing greycat
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19:17.01greycatsicaine: ok, next thing to check is "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf"
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19:17.20sicainenothing there greycat
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19:17.26greycatthat's a problem, then.
19:17.38greycatAdd this line to your nsswitch.conf file (as root):   hosts: files dns
19:18.28sicainedone greycat
19:18.36jellymight be good to look at the whole file, if hosts: is missing maybe it's completely broken
19:18.38greycatdo getent and ping work now?
19:18.53sicainedude its working! nice. what the fuck is nsswitch? i will check it out
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19:19.12asgsicaine: name service switch configuration
19:19.12greycatit's the configuration file for "looking things up"
19:19.21greycatlots of things
19:19.28sicaineand how long is this there oO?
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19:19.32sicainesince when
19:19.42asgsicaine: for a long time
19:19.52greycatOur HP-UX 10 systems have it too, and those are from ~1994.
19:19.53asgat least as long as NIS has been around
19:20.10sicainemh i never heart of it
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19:20.24jellydoesn't remember a linux system not having it
19:20.26sicaineanyway tx a lot greycat you made my day :)
19:20.42Codex_how do you know on freshmeat what was your user name? It lets me reset the password ok, but doesnt tell the user name so I cannot login :) (and doesnt allow creation of new account since email addr is already used :)
19:20.57jellyCodex_: ask them?
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19:23.04reeherOk, I ran the line 'iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -d 0/0 --dport 445 -j ACCEPT' then tried telnetting to the IP and port, to no avail, it still stopped with no connection then timed out.
19:23.11sicainemy kernel is now 3years older as 1,5 hour earlyer =)
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19:23.20sicainebye and tx
19:23.37asgreeher: #iptables may be of assistance
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19:24.00cuscohi
19:24.12cuscohow can I find what process is processing a certain file?
19:24.15cuscowrinting to it
19:24.17cuscoor reading rom it
19:24.20asgcusco: lsof
19:24.27cuscoasg: any flag in particular?
19:24.30cuscoits not showing anything
19:24.31cusconor fuser
19:24.39asgcusco: run it as root if you aren't already
19:24.43cuscoI am
19:25.02cusco(there is only root user in this machine :/ )
19:25.11stewcusco: perhaps "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and watch syslog (but remember to turn it off, it is a performance killer)
19:25.33jellycusco: doesn't sound much like debian
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19:27.18cuscojelly: it is
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19:31.59DungeI have a new debian/armel filesystem and when I use aptitude to install package it keep saying ""could not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" What's that?
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19:33.02Agent_bobanyone here good with boot issues ?   unpartitioned usb stick, formated ext2, using grub2.  loads grub then dies... busybox shell...   unable to mount /dev/sdb ?
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19:33.27Agent_bobDunge try    mount devpts -t devpts /dev/pts
19:33.56DungeAgent_bob : If I write mount -l it is in the list
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19:34.49Dungeoh well I tried anyway and it works lol
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19:35.43Agent_bobDunge mtab may have been stale...   idk.  any way.  you're welcome.
19:35.43chuckkhI get this failed to initialize dom0 state over and over
19:35.50chuckkhwith the default configuration
19:35.54Dungeyeah thx
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19:36.58Dungenow to get xorg working..
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19:38.16tpocraI dd'ed a dm-crypt encrypted LUKS volume group to a file and I am wondering how to mount it with cryptsetup
19:38.33reeherAss?  Meet Head.  Head?  Meet Ass.  Now pull one out of the other and shake hands.  I killed the firewall totally, and magically, all ports appeared, connections connected and little children increased their smiling time by 15%.  Feh.  Now it's just a matter of deciphering the firewall rulesets.  Greycat: Thanks much man, you put me on the road.
19:38.47tpocracryptsetup create foo disk-dump.img
19:39.01tpocradid not work (when in the directory containing the disk-dump.img file)
19:39.09krsnaI have a minimal installation of Squeeze (added xinit and jwm after the installation) and i cant find the reason why the man pages cant be browsed properly. I can only use the space bar to scroll down through the man pages, but neither "b" for scrolling back nor "/" for looking for words in the man pages. what package do i have to install to have the "normal" browsable man pages on this system?
19:39.21greycatkrsna: less
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19:39.39tpocraI get:  "Command failed: BLKROGET failed on device: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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19:39.47krsnaah, thanx greycat :)
19:39.53reeher!beer greycat
19:39.53dpkgpulls out an excellent Spaten Pils for greycat
19:39.54krsnagreycat, thx
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19:40.57Agent_boband if no one wants to tackel the usb stick boot issue, i also have a problem with the default initramfs image on my 5.0.1 debian     can't get a smooth boot up with the latest kernels
19:41.14reeherwhat's the difference between
19:41.27reehererr.. 'service samba restart' and /etc/init.d/samba restart?
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19:41.56greycatthe former looks like a red hat thing
19:42.33reehergreycat: actually, it is, I got it from a page on the 'Net oriented to R.H.  Cool.
19:43.17greycatThey both mean basically the same thing.  It's just a matter of what works on which OS.
19:43.42xantamhi is there a repo that combines sid and lenny?
19:43.59azeemxantam: no
19:44.04xantamcause i want almost stable builds
19:44.06greycatyou might want backports
19:44.14xantambackports?
19:44.26greycat/msg dpkg backports
19:44.26xantam!g backports
19:46.34Agent_bobthe lenny kernel 2.6.26*686 initramfs mounts the rootfs but drops to a busybox shell anyway.  and if i exit the shell it kernel panics with /init: exec: line 227: run-init: permission denied
19:46.57Agent_bobkernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init
19:46.57xantamthx greycat
19:47.04xantamlooks like what i want
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19:47.54kmonkhello #debian, from the land of sid
19:48.05DungeI have a new debian/armel ds, I did a "aptitude install xorg", when I do "Xorg -configure" it print a list of video drivers then say Backtrace: 0: Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x70) [0x75f50]Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
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19:48.25Dungebut no real error message
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19:49.39radexiscsitarget module it's posible to compile in sid?
19:50.37songohanHello
19:51.27songohanI'm trying to configure my wifi connection at debian lenny startup with WPA2 and static IP
19:51.57songohani've tried with this how to : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834
19:52.15songohani've failed :(
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19:52.57songohanSomeone can help me please ?
19:53.34songohanhere is the problem :
19:53.36songohanlaptop:/etc/network# /etc/init.d/networking restart
19:53.36songohanReconfiguring network interfaces...wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
19:53.36songohanrun-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
19:53.36songohandone.
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19:54.39NuryFVhola, compañeros tengo un problema para recuperar un grub2 despues de instalar un winbugs, hemos seguido el siguiente tutorial pero nos muestra error en la linea de chroot, les agradeceria si me colaboran, este es el tutorial: http://crashbit.homelinux.com/node/799
19:54.45greycat!es
19:54.45dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:57.40stuckeyHi, I deleted "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1". How do I get it back?
19:58.43greycatreinstall the package that it's a part of
19:58.56greycattry "dpkg -S libGL.so.1" first
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20:00.36songohansomeone can help me please ?
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20:01.08JyZyXELwhere do i find out all possible TZ values?
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20:01.38cahoot0-24?
20:01.56DominicusI'm trying to recall a special command that lets me see what audio systems (pulse alsa whatever) are communicating or being offered by the sound devices they're handling.. i.e. /dev/dsp, /dev/pcmXXXX, or whatever. Is anyone familiar with that? I've tried googling for it, but it's hard to locate.
20:02.52adbJyZyXEL:  run tzselect
20:03.32DungeAnyone can help me get Xorg working on my armel device? Here's the "X -configure" log : http://utilitybase.com/paste/15762
20:04.14songohanhow to connect wifi at startup with WPA2 ?
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20:04.52greycatJyZyXEL: also, the contents of /usr/share/zoneinfo/
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20:07.53themillJyZyXEL: "dpkg -L tzdata" might help
20:08.52Pythack++
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20:14.00TrueDDHi all
20:14.10poisonbitHi
20:15.36foxtrotdefault apache2 settings on debian arent for it to be an open proxy are they?
20:16.00greycatnot that I'm aware of
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20:19.45ksnpanyone managed to compile pidgin-otr in debian ?
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20:20.45CutMeOwnThroat!tell songohan -about wpa
20:21.13Dungehow do I add an user to the ftp user list? (ftp server seem to work, but no login work)
20:21.21chellomereksnp, the buildds did, it's already in the archives.
20:21.28CutMeOwnThroatbah, he surely was already gone
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20:21.48chellomereksnp, so just aptitude install it
20:21.53ksnpchell : i am trying to compile because i changed the source
20:21.57jpinx-eeepcCutMeOwnThroat: what's your sip address again?
20:21.57CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions pidgin-otr
20:21.58juddCutMeOwnThroat: pidgin-otr -- lenny: 3.2.0-2lenny0 sid: 3.2.0-4 squeeze: 3.2.0-4
20:22.01ksnpdon't want the default package
20:22.11CutMeOwnThroatwhat's wrong with it
20:22.20greycatDunge: depends on which FTP server you're using.  Mostly, there is a list of NON-ftp users, which is ironically called "/etc/ftpusers", on traditional Unix systems.
20:22.22chellomereksnp, ah. the take a look at debuild -us -uc.
20:22.23ksnpchellomere : can you please tell me how i might be able to ?
20:22.42CutMeOwnThroatksnp, what's wrong with the package?
20:22.42ksnpactually i get errors when i try to cross compile it
20:22.43chellomereksnp, apt-get source pidgin-ptr, modify the package, build it with debuild
20:22.56ksnpcutme : i need to change few things
20:23.04ksnpchellomere : modify the package : can you tell me how to ?
20:23.05chellomereksnp, cross-compiling is a whole another level of complexity.
20:23.12ksnpi mean i get the source, modify
20:23.13Dungegreycat : ok thx, this seems exactly it
20:23.19ksnpbut how to recompile it ?
20:23.26chellomereksnp, apt-get source will get you the source package.
20:23.27ksnpchello : i guess - can you tel me how to cross-comiple ?
20:23.41chellomereksnp, I'm not very familiar with cross-compiling.
20:23.44ksnpi tried to follow the instructions in libotr and pidgin-otr and it wouldn't
20:23.49ksnpok
20:23.52cantidoksnp: what arch are you cross compiling for?
20:23.57ksnpwindows
20:24.04CutMeOwnThroatksnp, for your platform, you can just /msg dpkg build custom package - but I really think your problem is the crosscompiling -that complicates things a hell lot
20:24.07ksnpi have mingw installed
20:24.36cantidoksnp: you're cross compiling to a windows target or on a windows host?
20:24.37ksnpcutme : ya i see that but i don't have some basic points i think. been trying for > 3 weeks now
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20:24.49ksnpcross compiling to a windows target on debian
20:25.16adb!kiss
20:25.16dpkgi heard kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
20:25.34chellomereksnp, oh, I was assuming that you were cross-compiling with debian as target. ignore my instructions about apt-get source and debuild. also, #debian will have a hard time supporting you in this endeavour...
20:25.51cantidoksnp: what exactly are you trying to cross compile?
20:25.53ksnpok. let the mingw channel is dead
20:26.18CutMeOwnThroatisn't there some #mingw or something? I think nobody here will have tried
20:26.20CutMeOwnThroathah
20:26.20ksnpmeant to say mingw channel is dead
20:26.28cantidomingw in wine?
20:26.37mmatticefor some reason, xen isn't installing itself into grub.d and likewise doesn't get properly set up in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
20:26.45ksnpcantido : i am trying to cross compile pidgin-otr for windows
20:26.48chellomereksnp, perhaps try their mailing list?
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20:26.53ksnpalready did !
20:27.01ksnpwrote to libotr mailing list
20:27.04ksnpand got some responses
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20:27.18ksnpbut i get an error supposedly that they don't see
20:27.18foxtrothow can I setup some sort of daily administration status email?
20:27.30foxtroti.e. modifying my daily emails
20:27.31cantidofoxtrot: logcheck, logwatch..
20:27.43poisonbitapticron
20:28.16ksnpusr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgcrypt.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
20:28.34ksnpcantido : can you tell me what these .so files are apparentely they see only .a file
20:28.35cantidoksnp: Maybe a stupid but if you need a windows build, why not build it on windows?
20:28.37poisonbitthere was one package called checksecurity to
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20:28.52cantidoksnp: shared object, a library
20:28.57CutMeOwnThroatksnp, runtime libs... the .so are dynamically linked, the .a ones statically
20:29.07ksnpcantido : there are no instructions for that, to build on windows, i probably need mingw correct (can't use VC++ because that will be major thing)
20:29.15ksnpok
20:29.26ksnpso is there a way to change the make to statically link them ?
20:29.27CutMeOwnThroatthe windows equivalent of .so are the .dll
20:29.31ksnpor configure ?
20:29.35ksnpok, i see
20:29.49ksnpcan i change to statically linked using a configure option usually ?
20:30.07CutMeOwnThroatdid you google for that error?
20:30.11cantidoksnp: you should be able to make it link statically, your problem is probably that you need to crosscompile a bunch of libraries before you can compile pidgin
20:30.16ksnp--enable-static ?
20:30.33CutMeOwnThroatksnp, perhaps your libgcrypt.so is corrupt?
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20:30.49ksnpi don't know, but don't know how to fix if its corrupt either
20:31.12ksnpcantido : "your problem is probably that you need to crosscompile" - i am going ot try static linking
20:31.22ksnpi guess static linking doesn't hinder the cross compile right ?
20:31.28CutMeOwnThroatksnp, what does 'file  usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgcrypt.so' tell you?
20:31.38cantidoksnp: yes, and even if you link the libraries statically you still need the actual libraries to link
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20:31.52ksnp"need the actual libraries" = ?
20:32.03CutMeOwnThroatksnp, actually, google says you get that error e.g. when you try to link a 32bit lib into a 64bit program...
20:32.08azeemksnp: cross-compiling windows executables is off-topic here
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20:32.22ksnpfile  on the libotr.so did say it was 32 bit arch
20:32.32mmatticenevermind, seems to be a problem with grub2
20:32.56ksnpazeem : post your questions if you have any - otherwise ignore the discussion, i have tried all other channels and using this as last resort since there are some knowledgeable people here
20:33.05ksnpand i can get some help
20:33.39adbksnp: plonk !
20:33.55cantidoksnp: maybe it is as CutMeOwnThroat said, your current target is 64bit but you only have 32bit libs..
20:33.56ksnpcutme : the file output is at http://pastebin.com/d3444d857
20:34.02CutMeOwnThroatksnp, you also get that when the .so is for the wrong architecture
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20:34.18ksnpcan you tell from pastebin ?
20:34.25ksnpif it is indeed wrong arch ?
20:34.31ksnphttp://pastebin.com/d3444d857
20:34.42ksnpOR : ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped
20:34.55CutMeOwnThroatI have no clue about mingw crosscompiles - compare with one of the other .so files that didn't create errors?
20:35.13ksnpok, i guess these are human readablefiles then
20:35.18CutMeOwnThroatonly you can know, actually...
20:35.30CutMeOwnThroathow should I know if you try to compile for 32 bit or 64?
20:35.31cantidoshould it be producing ELF's for windows? :/
20:35.35CutMeOwnThroatalso, I'm not sure ...
20:35.38CutMeOwnThroatexactly
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20:35.43ksnpok..
20:35.47ksnpi guess maybe tha'ts the problem
20:36.00CutMeOwnThroatdunno if you can use an ELF (linux-type) runtime library for crosscompiling to windows
20:36.09cantidoksnp: why not just build it on windows?
20:36.21ksnpcantido : using VC++ you mean ?
20:36.32cantidoksnp: um, no mingw on windows
20:36.34ksnpcutme : ok, i'll search on dealing with this elf stuff
20:36.44ksnpi guess cross-compiling can be done instead by using mingw32 on windows itself then ?
20:37.11CutMeOwnThroatyou're using the 'mingw32'* packages for that?
20:37.39ksnpfor that - as in i have been using for all this, or in future for compiling on windows ?
20:38.01CutMeOwnThroateh?
20:38.03ksnpi did mingw32 compile - using prefix and --host options few packages that are needed for this
20:38.21CutMeOwnThroat/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgcrypt.so.11.5.2
20:38.24ksnpyes
20:38.26CutMeOwnThroatwhere do you have that file from?
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20:38.39ksnpINSTALL says : mingw cross-compiler from Debian Linux:
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20:38.49blendmaster1024how old is the stuff in 502 right now?
20:38.54ksnpso i simply used that
20:38.57azeemblendmaster1024: depends
20:39.18CutMeOwnThroatazeem, hehe... I had already typed 'de'
20:39.20blendmaster1024ok, then on average, how much older is the stuf in 502 compared to tessting?
20:39.27azeemblendmaster1024: depends
20:39.31blendmaster1024on what
20:39.34CutMeOwnThroatblendmaster1024, check yourself for what you're interested in
20:39.45azeemblendmaster1024: on a lot of factors
20:40.01CutMeOwnThroatblendmaster1024, http://packages.debian.org/ can tell you
20:40.07ksnpcantido : are you familiar with mingw32 compilation ? couple of questions i have
20:40.12blendmaster1024ok.... then how do i check? i just want an average.
20:40.34crazedoh crap.. i just installed a package from source that i had installed from apt-get.. then make uninstall'd it. how can i reinstall the one from apt-get since it thinks it is installed? i tried removing it and readding it but that didn't do anythign
20:40.47cantidoksnp: I have cross compiled stuff before, I used to build amiga stuff and netbsd/sparc stuff on debian.. it's a major pain in the arse though
20:40.53blendmaster1024uninstall it, crazed
20:40.58blendmaster1024then install it again
20:41.06blendmaster1024or is that what you said you did?
20:41.10crazedblendmaster1024: i did apt-get remove <package>
20:41.10cantidoksnp: it's only worth it if the target machine would take years to compile it otherwise
20:41.11crazedyeah
20:41.17CutMeOwnThroatblendmaster1024, most packages will have come in before the freeze for lenny - so, perhaps 6 month before lenny was released
20:41.27azeemcrazed: apt-get install --reinstall <package>
20:42.04blendmaster1024oh, that's not so bad
20:42.05crazedthat didn't work either
20:42.11azeem!doesn't work
20:42.11dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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20:43.05blendmaster1024i have a slow connection, (compared to the speed needed to download all 31 cds), and i want the latest i can get, but since testing is regenerated weekly, i may download half of one testing and half of another.
20:43.28cantidoblendmaster1024: you don't have to download the cd's
20:43.35crazedi apologize.. here: http://pastebin.com/mfb740ff
20:43.36cantidoblendmaster1024: that would be insane
20:43.54ksnpcantido : ok, i am going to try mingw32 on windows this weekend and see
20:43.54blendmaster1024heh, yes i do, i dont even have a connection at home
20:44.05blendmaster1024i have to go somewhere else to get it
20:44.09crazedit reinstalled succesfully, but doesn't actually put the files back
20:44.22blendmaster1024so i do too have to get the whole 31
20:44.27azeemcrazed: what are "the files"?
20:44.30JyZyXELis there a way to zero out the swap?
20:44.38cantidoblendmaster1024: or you could just get the files you need?
20:44.49cantidoJyZyXEL: cat /dev/zero > /dev/myswap
20:44.50JyZyXELmaybe automatically when shutting down
20:45.00JyZyXELoh ok
20:45.08blendmaster1024no way, then i would be making tons of trips back and forth whenever i want to install something
20:45.20cantidoJyZyXEL: you might want to disable it with swapoff first
20:45.22crazedazeem: xm, /etc/init.d/xend, all teh xen tools are missing (not xen-tools package)
20:45.35blendmaster1024heh try that with an enabled swap! yike!!!!
20:45.41azeemcrazed: did you actually that those are in the package you are trying to reinstall?
20:45.45azeembecause I bet they are not
20:46.16crazedazeem: can i reinstall all packages that the one package had installed originally
20:46.21cantidoblendmaster1024: there are packages to resolve the dependencies etc and generate a download I think... but you could also use jigdo to update the images you already have
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20:47.01blendmaster1024well i jusst want to know how big a difference it is! arent there any devs here???
20:47.34azeemcrazed: what is "the one package"?
20:47.52crazedxen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
20:48.00cantidonotices that there seem to be "zsync" files now..
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20:48.12azeemcrazed: check its depends and recommends and/or check /var/lib/dpkg.log
20:48.48blendmaster1024so on average, the stuff in 502 is 7 months old?
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20:50.08azeemblendmaster1024: no
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20:50.20blendmaster1024what then?
20:50.23azeemblendmaster1024: unless you mean the compiled object files, not the source code
20:50.45azeemblendmaster1024: there's source code which hasn't been changed since the early 90s
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20:50.49blendmaster1024yes the binaries in the ISOs!
20:50.53bpunblendmaster1024, you want to be able to "debug"..
20:51.02blendmaster1024no....
20:51.10bpunblendmaster1024, debug and use reportbug...
20:51.24bpunblendmaster1024, otherwise if you dont reportbug, there's no point in testing..
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20:51.39azeembpun: of course there is point in testing
20:51.49azeemtesting the distribution, not testing the activity
20:51.50blendmaster1024no i want to know how old the programs in 502 are on average.
20:52.02azeemblendmaster1024: look, it'll take days or so to figure that out
20:52.04bpuntesting without reportbug is useless
20:52.08azeemwe're not going to do this for you
20:52.18azeembpun: are you talking about "running Debian testing"?
20:52.22blendmaster1024*sigh* then can i hve a guess?
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20:52.35cantidoblendmaster1024: if you want to work out how much new stuff you would have to download for stable each week.. it would be close to zero
20:52.47blendmaster1024oh
20:52.49blendmaster1024ok
20:52.53azeemblendmaster1024: 22:38 < CutMeOwnThroat> blendmaster1024, most packages will have come in before the freeze for lenny - so, perhaps 6 month before lenny was released
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20:53.05azeemblendmaster1024: what, that was your question?
20:53.37blendmaster1024i hear that the stuff in stable is old. what i want[ed] to know was, if i use testing instead, will it be much newer?
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20:53.53greycat*sigh*
20:54.13blendmaster1024[y/n], "much newer" has a threshhold of 3 months and an error range of 3 months.
20:54.25azeemblendmaster1024: depensd
20:54.37wizLone question.. can i somehow change some kernel settings without compiling kernel ? :D
20:54.37blendmaster1024ick!!!!!! ON WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
20:54.43azeemblendmaster1024: on the particular package
20:54.56cantidowizL: /proc /sysfs, boot params
20:54.56azeeme.g. the linux kernel hasn't been updated in testing compared to stable yet
20:55.00azeemAFAIK
20:55.12azeemblendmaster1024: really, if you don't have good networking, I don't suggest running testing
20:55.39blendmaster1024*sigh* i know that by now, i meant in general. like HOW MANY packages have been changed in testing, and how much have they changed IN GENERAL, etc.
20:55.56cantidocould be lots of fun, broken Xorg, no chance to fix it until you can get someone to lend you a connection
20:56.04blendmaster1024oh.....
20:56.11azeemblendmaster1024: again, it would take hours to figure that out
20:56.13blendmaster1024ok, i'm not using testing.
20:56.25greycatThey line up outside the gate of testing.  Every once in a while, the gate opens and a whole HERD of packages TRAMPLES into testing all at once, and then the gate closes for another 2 weeks or 4 months or gods know how long.
20:56.38greycatWhile the gate is closed, any broken packages in testing STAY broken.
20:57.04blendmaster1024ohhhh have there been any/how many floods since lenny/502?
20:57.12greycatThis differs from unstable.  In unstable, if something breaks, there'll usually be an upload that fixes it within a day or so.
20:57.17blendmaster1024(or where would i find that out i you dint know)
20:57.18greycatUnless of course it's gxmms2.
20:57.27cantidoblendmaster1024: kde4 and the lastest gnome have gone into testing.. that was a bit of a flood
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20:57.36blendmaster1024and that's it?
20:57.39azeemno
20:57.58greycatkde and gnome are herds all by themselves.
20:58.01blendmaster1024WAIT YOU MEAN I WOULD STILL GET KDE3 IN 502?!?!?!?!? AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
20:58.07cantidoblendmaster1024: if you go to packages.debian.org you can see what versions are in each
20:58.11azeemblendmaster1024: stop trolling please
20:58.19blendmaster1024ok thanks sorry i bugged everyone so long
20:58.20azeemblendmaster1024: if you can't type properly, maybe try web forum
20:58.32cantidonotes that kde4 is still totally fucked.
20:58.34greycatIf he's a desktop kiddie that just has to have the highest-numbered kde/gnome then he's probably not going to be happy with Debian.
20:58.36blendmaster1024i am just typing really fast on a small keyboard
20:59.06blendmaster1024are you kidding me? i love kde3! 4 made me switch to gnome.
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20:59.11blendmaster1024ok i'll leave now.
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20:59.49bpunkde suck
20:59.54bpunsssss
21:00.30cantidowonders what the zoom thing is for,..
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21:03.36ubsafderhello
21:03.57ubsafdercan i let a user scp but no ssh connection ?
21:04.41poisonbitaptitude show scponly
21:04.43bpunubsafder, i believe so
21:04.52cantidoubsafder: scponly
21:05.05bpunubsafder, set their shell to false.. or to the path of the sftp subsystem..
21:05.22cantidobpun: I think they need a workable shell for scp
21:05.26bpun(i'm not sure if setting their shell to false will work)
21:05.44bpunbut i know chsh <username> then path to ftp will work..
21:05.50bpun(sorry sftp)
21:06.43bpunassuming openssh-server ( chsh with /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server )
21:06.58ubsafderyes it is
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21:07.21crazedis there a way i can find out what programs are associated with which packages
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21:07.45kmonkhow does one change how debian identifies itself on http
21:07.47greycatcrazed: dpkg -S filename, or packages.debian.org
21:08.08greycatkmonk: edit your Apache configuration in /etc/apache2/ assuming you run apache
21:08.29greycatUnless you mean a browser thing.  I assumed you meant your web server.
21:08.30kmonkyou are very wise, however i am speaking in a general sense:)
21:08.36CutMeOwnThroat!tell crazed -about apt-file
21:08.55kmonkin this case, kazehakase
21:09.04foxtrotkmonk: edit /etc/apache2/conf.d/security
21:09.16cantidokmonk: you mean the host name?
21:09.37kmonkso-many responses! feel the love
21:09.48greycatkmonk: do you mean your web server you're running on your server, or the browser you're running on your desktop?
21:10.05kmonki mean to a http server online i.e. how my client appears to their server, workstation id, hostname that sort of thing
21:10.18kmonkso browser, really
21:10.24greycatYou configure the browser.
21:10.25cantidokmonk: the server will get your ip address and will do reverse dns on it
21:10.35greycatOh, is THAT what he meant?
21:10.45cantidooh, browser version..
21:10.46cantidomaybe
21:11.12kmonki am going to set up a server soon though so i'll stash that info in my infolist ;)
21:11.17kmonkty
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21:13.19vvvvI am booting the debian-installer from a usb flashdrive with grub, now i want to use a repository on the usb disk to do the installation (not a cdrom image) how to do this?
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21:14.18vvvvopen 1 and use the next button to go to the next 1
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21:15.17bpunvvvv, just do the base install for now and see if u can boot into the base install..
21:15.42vvvvThat is no problem.
21:15.58neiljpvvvv: doh, ta! not entirely obvious...
21:16.07vvvvthe thing is that i want to use a cusomised repositorie to install servers without internet connection
21:16.18vvvvand i don't want to remaster install cd's
21:17.02bpunvvvv, so boot into the system, install the stuff you want, then transfer the apt's .deb cache to some network folder and use the dpkg-dev tools..
21:17.05CutMeOwnThroatvvvv, you can use the repository instead of internet after the reboot... that should be easier, I gues
21:17.19cantidovvvv: servers without internet? do they have network?
21:17.23vvvvyes
21:17.27vvvvthey are on ships
21:17.32cantidovvvv: you could just have a local repo
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21:17.41vvvvand the internet is very unreliable
21:18.00bpunhe doesn't what .debs he needs, so he can make like a model install...
21:18.12bpun<PROTECTED>
21:18.13CutMeOwnThroathave one machine with a local repro
21:18.49CutMeOwnThroator...
21:18.50CutMeOwnThroat!apt-zip
21:18.51dpkgUpdate a non-networked computer using apt and removable media.  Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.  http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
21:18.55bpunhe knows that..
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21:19.06bpundpkg-dev..
21:19.13cantidoor create some automated image on a cdrom and use debian-installers usb + cd iso thingy
21:19.23CutMeOwnThroatvvvv, I think reboot, then use apt-zip would be a good idea
21:19.29CutMeOwnThroatelse... remaster
21:19.33bpun(dpkg-scanpackages is in dpkg-dev)
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21:20.27vvvvi know about all these solutions, but is it not just possible to let the installer use a repository on the filesystem of the usb disk?
21:20.37cantidolocal mirror on a NSLU2 or something :)
21:20.39vvvvto make the repo is no problem
21:20.50CutMeOwnThroatvvvv, well, you can try it
21:20.53CutMeOwnThroat*shrug*
21:21.15CutMeOwnThroatI tried with an unpacked cd-image on an usb-stick yesterday and it just didn't work for me
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21:21.32vvvvso i have to modify the installer?
21:21.36CutMeOwnThroatwhat finally worked was the hd-image kernel and using one of the CDs
21:21.48CutMeOwnThroatas an iso image
21:21.51vvvvthat's how i do it now
21:21.56vvvviso on the stick
21:22.26CutMeOwnThroathm
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21:22.52CutMeOwnThroatin principle you should be able to copy all of the cd contents on the stick
21:22.53vvvvbut to have the repo on the stick makes changing things much easier
21:23.00CutMeOwnThroatthen add more .debs into the pool
21:23.12CutMeOwnThroatbut I haven't tried that
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21:24.01vvvvmmm
21:24.51adbd-i works in RAM until mount the target ..
21:24.53bpunvvvv, i've done a local repo with dpkg-scanpackages.. whatever works works..
21:25.40bpunvvvv, i believe it is possible to use .debs on a usbstick for the installer to pickup..
21:26.07vvvvwhich installer image can do it? hdinstall?
21:26.15bpunbut i believe that simply means using dpkg-scanpackages on the usb-stick..
21:27.16vvvvso you mean if i have a valid repo on the stick, the installer will automagicaly recognize it and do the install with it?
21:28.30adbnope
21:28.33bpunvvvv, not automagically, btw adding a repo is simply doing 1) adding the line file :////<>  and 2) apt-get update
21:28.40bpunvvvv, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/dpkg-scanpackage-302463/
21:29.03bpunvvvv, the installer may allow you to type file:////  , and if so it'll run apt-get update in the background aftewards...
21:29.24bpun(apt-get update of course just updates its headers..)
21:30.32bpun(the two steps can be taken if the installer can't do it..  adding the line file://// is added to /etc/apt/sources.list )
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21:31.08bpunvvvv, i believe there's a typo on that url i gave, the instruction should be file:/// or file://// (3 or 4 "/")  :/  < awkward stuff...
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21:31.33kmonkdoes anyone know how to run bastille?
21:31.59bpunvvvv, actually try file:/  first, it's been over a year since i last done this, the code may now accept file:/ ...
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21:32.58bpunvvvv, what about that disney cruise pass you were promising me?
21:33.38vvvvit's a river cruise
21:33.52vvvvfrom amsterdam to budapest
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21:34.19vvvvwe do the VOD system
21:34.22action09kmonk bastilel has an interactive mode, once launched you answer to the configuration questions and that's all.. can't remember the command.. man bastille
21:34.26bpunvvvv, you definitely don't want windows crashing with the radar...
21:35.25kmonkdoesnt have a manfile apparantly,
21:35.28bpunvvvv, do you fork off the linuxmce project?
21:35.32vvvvactualy the system that is supposed to make the sattelite internet work runs windows
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21:35.36vvvvno
21:35.50vvvvit's a custom system based on amino stb's
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21:38.32CutMeOwnThroatvvvv, actually, you're always installing the identical system?
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21:38.50CutMeOwnThroats/the/an/
21:38.53vvvvalmost
21:39.16vvvvwith some updates and different configuration
21:39.24CutMeOwnThroatI mean you could just use the installer to partition the disk for you
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21:39.57CutMeOwnThroathave a tar file of a complete install on your usb stick, switch to a console and  untar it onto the new partition
21:40.13CutMeOwnThroatmm
21:40.25CutMeOwnThroatbut then the installer won't do the grub stuff for you
21:40.31vvvvthat means for every update i have to do a manual install and tar it
21:40.45vvvvof have one system i keep up to date
21:40.52kmonkthis is really annoying, the bastille website just says 'go the package repo for maintainers debian port of bastille', no instruction on how to run the script,  the info from the deb doesnt say how to run it, and there's no man file!!! wtf
21:40.53CutMeOwnThroatyeah
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21:41.17CutMeOwnThroatvvvv, actually - no
21:41.26bpunkmonk, i thought bastille has doc
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21:41.48CutMeOwnThroathmpf, I forgot, no internet
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21:41.57kmonknot in sid?!
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21:41.59kmonkprehaps
21:42.30bpunkmonk, http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastille
21:42.31bpun!
21:42.36bpunfound it!
21:42.47bpunlol
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21:43.24kmonkthank you really
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21:43.40bpunok monkey ! :)
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21:44.06kmonkbut that seems to be in reference to the medievel defensive structure or such :) thanks anyway....
21:44.20ubsafderthanks for the help good nigh
21:44.24kmonkim not too stressed
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21:44.28bpunkmonk, the documentation is in the castle!
21:44.42kmonkit must be! i'll get my sword
21:45.54dutchfish!slap kmonk
21:45.54dpkgstrikes a resounding *THWAP* across kmonk's face
21:46.26kmonk:*(    *cries a little*
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21:49.10factorhas anyone had any trouble with debian colorgcc, it works to compile but no colors.
21:49.21factorkinda the reason I am using it
21:49.37bpunkmonk, i didnt install it, but there's a /usr/share/doc/bastille folder
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21:51.45kmonknot for me, looks like a sid issue, i'll use your reference to find the manual though ty
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21:53.59kmonkmost usefull infact, would be the program that displays the content of deb files that are/arent installed
21:54.17adb!folder
21:54.17dpkgfolder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
21:54.29bpunkmonk, dpkg -c <packagename>
21:54.35bpunrather packagename_file
21:55.01bpun!she-bang
21:55.32bpunkmonk, ?
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21:56.05bpunnm
21:56.18bpunthinks some need to use the console more often
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21:59.44blendmaster1024does anybody know of the top of their head whether mplayer is in the main repo?
21:59.54jpinx-eeepcyes
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22:00.09jpinx-eeepcjudd: versions mplayer
22:00.10juddjpinx-eeepc: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 sid: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 squeeze: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090613-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090712-0.1
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22:00.24osmosishow can I tell which drives are paired in a linux software raid 10?  http://dpaste.com/68345/
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22:01.18bpunosmosis, maybe mdam manpage
22:01.49kmonkbpun, while this is my first time here i can tell that you are a good person to have around :)
22:02.08kmonkty for the info
22:02.11blendmaster1024howabout, does anybody know if kde is on any other cds than kde-1?
22:02.11lszyba1I'm running migration tools but I'm getting a following error. Does anybody know how to fix this?
22:02.11lszyba1./migrate_all_online.sh
22:02.11lszyba1adding new entry "cn=mailer-daemon,ou=Aliases,dc=mycompany,dc=com"
22:02.11lszyba1ldap_add: Invalid syntax (21)
22:02.12lszyba1additional info: objectClass: value #0 invalid per syntax
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22:02.26kmonkhahahaha oops
22:02.37ThePredatorI am having problems getting the RT2860 wireless card working on my eee pc 1000HE
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22:02.58bpun!wifi
22:02.59dpkgSupport for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within.  Don't know what you have?  Ask me about <what's my wireless>.  Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>.  See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
22:03.17ThePredatorI followed the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta#NetworkManager and ra0 reports up to ifconfig, but dhclient and wicd can't get an ip address
22:03.39blendmaster1024is there some place i could go to to find out what's on each CD for 502?
22:03.54bpunblendmaster1024, browse the dists folder?
22:03.55blendmaster1024other than the cds themselfs
22:04.09blendmaster1024....WHERE?
22:04.29jpinx-eeepcThePredator: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
22:04.30bpunblendmaster1024, dunno.. try apt-cdrom then use apt-cache search ...
22:04.54blendmaster1024i don't have debian yet. the idea is that i want to know what CDs i can skip downloading.
22:05.10bpunblendmaster1024, I have no clue what you're doing
22:05.17blendmaster1024ok.
22:05.26ThePredatorjpinx-eeepc, I have been through all of those
22:05.31jpinx-eeepcblendmaster1024: why don't you do a net install?
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22:05.47jpinx-eeepcThePredator: you were following the wrong instructions
22:06.13vvvvi will try what happens if i preseed the repo location
22:06.39ThePredatorjpinx-eeepc, the eeepc sub wiki just links to the main wikis rt2860 page
22:06.47ThePredatorit only goes through installing the atheros drivers
22:07.27jpinx-eeepcThePredator: try #debian-eeepc@irc.oftc.net
22:07.30ksnpi am trying to compile pkgconfig but get lot of errors
22:07.34adbdpkg:  tell ThePredator  about rt2860
22:08.40ksnpwhen i do make
22:08.40ThePredatoradb, I went through the procedures dpkg is linking me to, but they don't address my problem
22:09.00bpunvvvv, i hope it'd have nothing to do with sinking the ship :)
22:09.34bpunThePredator, can u iwlist ap?
22:09.56ThePredatoryes
22:10.19ThePredatorIt finds my access points and says that the quality is 96/100
22:10.19bpunThePredator, so set ur ap without a password, no security at all, and see if u can connect to the web at least..
22:10.29ThePredatorI can't, I tried that
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22:10.40bpunThePredator, what is it's current setting?
22:10.55bpunThePredator, (i mean what model router ap is it?)
22:10.58ThePredatorit is an unsecured point and dhclient ra0 wont work, niether will setting a static ip
22:11.16ThePredatordlink dir-655
22:12.02nsadminhow would I boot vista from grub?
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22:12.32adbThePredator:  static ip ? on a wifi ..
22:12.39jpinx-eeepcnsadmin: with a cattle prod
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22:13.11nsadminfunny funny :P is it chainloaded just like xp?
22:13.29ThePredatoradb, yes, that is how I usually set them (for torrenting and such, I would rather not have to pray that upnp works)
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22:14.46lszyba1sorry...I got disconnected...anybody familiar or know what the problem with the migrationtools might be?
22:15.04bpunThePredator, what mode is the ap on?  i'm assuming at this point the aeepc will be the one testing against the AP..
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22:15.34bpunThePredator, i see the dlink's emulator page for your wifi ap..
22:15.40ThePredatorbpun, b I believe
22:15.55vvvvcan i use this: auto=true mirror/protocol=file mirror/file/directory=/media/repo/
22:16.07bpunThePredator, and the aeeepc model is new?
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22:16.22Begasushi peeps
22:16.31Begasusgot a problem with partition indexes here
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22:16.56bpun(aeeepc's wifi must be more than B if it's supposed to be a fast connection via wifi)
22:16.59ThePredatorbpun, It is the 1000HE, which according to the eeep debian wiki only switched to the rt2860 drivers very recently
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22:17.20BegasusI'm trying to compile Haiku to install to a local partition but I'm getting an "invalid partition index" every time
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22:18.05paxcodera bit of OT, hope you don't mind: is it possible to enable ctrl+shift+tab in epiphany to "undo close tab" so to say - like mozilla-based browsers do?
22:18.28adbThePredator: uname -r , says ?
22:18.30bpunThePredator, did u try 'n' alone ? and then 'mixed'(last one)
22:18.31WastePotato<PROTECTED>
22:18.35WastePotatoFail.
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22:19.16nsadminhttps://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/haiku-bugs/2008-November/012415.html
22:19.27ThePredatoradb, 2.6.29-bpo.2-686
22:20.01bpunThePredator, what firmware version is the ap ?
22:20.13ThePredatorbpun, I'll try, but the router's interface is very nonintuitive
22:20.24ThePredatorfirmware: 1.11
22:20.37bpunThePredator, dlink's emu page shows 1.21
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22:20.57bpunThePredator, i'm looking at the first dir-655 emu model..
22:21.20bpunlinked (there's another dir-655 model but not sure which one u'r using exactly..)
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22:21.31bpunbut they must be very similar...
22:22.03ThePredatorIt hasn't been updated in ~3 years, so that should be correct
22:22.11ThePredatormy router, I mean
22:22.13bpunthe other says v.2.. so u likely dont have the securespot version
22:22.39bpunThePredator, u dont have an 'n' speed option on the AP webpages?
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22:23.05bpunThePredator, when u update, be sure to have virtually no network activity on it..
22:23.06ThePredatornot that I can find, but let me google it real quick
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22:23.28bpunThePredator, http://www.support.dlink.com/emulators/dir655/index.html
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22:24.24bpunThePredator, is it the securespot 655 edition?
22:25.11ThePredatorI don't believe so, and the emulator has the exact same UI so the version difference doesn't matter
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22:25.36ThePredatorsame hardware version too
22:26.45nsadminBegasus: google for "invalid partition index"; first hit
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22:28.17ThePredatorI will be going off line for a second brb
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22:33.54ThePredatorIt should be broadcasting in a/g/n
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22:35.38bpunThePredator, so you don't have 'n' speed support on the ap ?
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22:36.17bpunThePredator, I'd say because it's a huge firmware # difference, that u should bother to upgrade...
22:36.18ThePredatorI believe I do, but I have never used an n card
22:36.31bpunThePredator, the 'b' speed is the worst..
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22:36.39bpunThePredator, your aeepc supports n
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22:37.17joesmojeanyone know when this ia32-libs mess will be fixed?  i've been waiting a week to install wine-bin :(
22:37.33bpunjoesmoje, it is.. i believe.. i heard people say it works..
22:37.44bpunjoesmoje, a year ago.. there were much more issues..
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22:38.16joesmojebpun no...
22:38.37themilljoesmoje: read debian-devel
22:38.48ksnpi am trying to install pkg-config from source and i get errors, i read up online a bit and it says i need gtk runtime, i tried gtk+ but it needs pkg-configure in turn
22:39.03ksnpits sort of interdependency, can anyone tell how to compile it and install from source ?
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22:39.35bpunjoesmoje, i guess you're all foobared then :)
22:39.52joesmojebpun: thanks.  so helpful
22:40.15bpunjoesmoje, you're very welcome
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22:41.03bpunksnp, ask joesmoje, he knows everything..
22:41.27ThePredatorbpun, I got it working per a suggestion on the server jpinx suggested to me
22:41.39ThePredatorI had to set the ap in iwconfig
22:41.49ThePredatorthanks for your help though
22:41.57bpunThePredator, that's good.. but the speed "b" .. sucks.. you want 'n'..
22:42.02bpunok whatever..
22:42.06bpunthough
22:42.26bpun*sigh*
22:42.32ThePredatorI'll upgrade it tonight, the dhcp is shoddy on this version anyways (hopefully they fixed it)
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22:42.51bpunThePredator, you really dont know the difference between b and n.. you should read up about it..
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22:43.32ThePredatorI read up on it when it first came out, I haven't really paid attention to it since it matured
22:44.27bpunThePredator, since you admit there's dhcp issues, it only wonders me what's stopping you from upgrading..
22:44.29ThePredatorMy connection bottlenecks before the wireless so it won't make a difference for internet, but I do stream music so I'll see how much benefit it gives that
22:44.56bpunand know you're giving me a second reason.. gee you're something..
22:44.58bpunlol
22:45.02bpunjust upgrade you douche!
22:45.19ThePredatorIt doesn't correctly carry over configs, so its a pain in the ass
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22:46.54bpunThePredator, upgrade it now, set your connection to 'n', and you'll notice "huge" differences
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22:48.02MadMoneyBadly needed feature in Debian: Ability to run file system check (fsck) and fix errors while an ext3 or ext2 (root) file system is mounted read-write.
22:48.06MadMoneyAny ideas?
22:48.41ThePredatorWhy? always keep a live cd on hand and it isn't a problem
22:48.45bpunMadMoney, remount it live ro, then try fsck ?
22:48.53MadMoneyBut then I have to reboot, ThePredator.
22:49.18MadMoneyRemounting would be that running processes would have to somehow delay writes.
22:49.51MadMoneyMaybe I should do a tmpfs/file system in memory.
22:50.11bpunMadMoney, not sure what runlevel you're using
22:50.17MadMoneyProbably 5
22:50.27MadMoneyOr 4. Whatever one where X isn't involved.
22:50.30bpunMadMoney, get outta here! debian doesn't use 5 on default..
22:50.46MadMoneybpun: Whatever it is...
22:50.51MadMoneyThe default. 3?
22:50.58bpunMadMoney, fedora guy
22:51.08MadMoneyNo, Fedora is for shemales.
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22:51.48ThePredatorThat is degrading to shemales, no self-respecting shemale would touch fedora
22:51.56MadMoneyTrue.
22:52.06cubis_lindahola
22:52.23MadMoneycubis_linda: Coma estas?
22:53.03MadMoney"Embrace diversity, support multilingual forums."
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22:53.44nsadminmaybe she speaks english, which is preferred
22:53.45cmyers_workmuy bien gracias!  de donde es el bano?  Me gusta mucho.  stuff.  yeh, I suck at spanish.
22:54.03zamuro!es
22:54.04dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:54.04MadMoneyhehe, at least you try.
22:54.23zamuro¿Ya? ¿Entendieron o necesitan títeres?
22:54.45bpuncmyers_home, you sound like that pervy from family guy..
22:54.51nsadminmmm big werds
22:55.08cmyers_workI took spanish in highschool for 4 years.
22:55.13cmyers_workI truthfully can't speak a word of it.
22:55.17cmyers_workkinda sad =(
22:55.18MadMoneyinit is responsible for applying /etc/fstab, right?
22:55.32bpuncmyers_home, i know there's one word i know how to spell pouto :)
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22:56.00infernixdoes anyone happen to boot from ext4? I'm trying to figure out whether if i _have_ to switch to the new grub version. i'm on sid.
22:56.03MadMoneyIch spreche Deutsch, mutterschluckren!
22:56.04bpuncmyers_home, it's a nice place actually, check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pouto
22:56.08bpuncmyers_home, gay island!
22:57.18bpuninfernix, who knows? grub2 is considered experimental.. and ext4 isn't in lenny's installer..
22:57.36bpun(as far as i can tell from the installer menu, in text mode)
22:58.14infernixbpun: heh. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511121 - patches for grub legacy ext4 support
22:58.23infernixgoes off to compile those
22:59.57bpuninfernix, it says grub-pc package.. that didn't work either?
23:00.26infernixbpun: grub 2, meh, its still in beta afaik
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23:08.22jvmhi. ive a cron job running on my etch server that creates status reports and sends them to my mail address. i set it up years ago - now i want to change the mail address, and can't figure out where it is kept or even who sends out the output of my report shell script. any hints for me?
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23:09.12\amethystjvm:  cron does that itself
23:09.39\amethystjvm:  you can do   MAILTO=user@example.com   at the top of the crontab
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23:10.05\amethystjvm:  hm, or maybe it needs to be a user name rather than an address
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23:12.15jvm\amethyst, thanks a lot for the hint.
23:12.34jvmjust looked at one of the mails closely, and indeed it's addressed to root@hostname.
23:12.46jvmapparently i set up a forwarding on my mail server for that address.
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23:15.56kmonkhow does one disable the icmp protocol
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23:16.33CutMeOwnThroatone can't disable protocols
23:16.55kmonk...
23:17.14timidboyYou can drop this protocol
23:17.15kmonkanything is possible
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23:17.39nsadminyou can block it
23:17.48timidboythat's it
23:18.00nsadminmaybe its; in a module you can fail to load
23:18.05CutMeOwnThroatbut you can't disable it :)
23:18.06kmonkit's coming from my client though, id rather not send icmp packets
23:18.07alxc1hi, i've searched google... the wiki & docs, etc. but i can't figure out why i have no Screen Resolution options; the boxes are blank (as is my xorg.conf!.. but i understand why that is.) any pointers would be appreciated! it's lenny
23:18.17CutMeOwnThroatit's like saying how do I disable the law of gravity
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23:18.39nsadminexcept gravity isn't digital :)
23:18.53CutMeOwnThroatand a bit more permanent than an RFC
23:18.56CutMeOwnThroatbut only a bit!
23:18.59kmonkhaul ass to a place where there's none?
23:19.24kmonki'll hav ea lok around report here if i find anything
23:19.30nsadminwell so where are you moving to? :)
23:19.34timidboyalxc1: backup your xorg.conf and try # X -configure and # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
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23:20.00ksnpi am trying to figure what package has XML::Parser
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23:20.13CutMeOwnThroatkmonk, so what you're saying is, you want one of your client to stop sending icm packets to the net
23:20.27kmonkyep
23:20.32nsadminkmonk so why are you trying to do that? what problem would disabling icmp solve?
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23:20.36kmonkim making a fortnox
23:20.36ksnpi guess its libxml-parser-perl ?
23:20.46CutMeOwnThroatsee... if you'd SAID that, we'd all have understood you
23:20.57nsadmina fort with nitrous oxide?!
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23:21.04kmonkpretty much :)
23:21.20kmonkwasted packets are as bad as wasted cpu cycles
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23:21.29nsadminso when the cavelry comes they'll laugh to death?!
23:21.49kmonkno i'll crush them with flying castle
23:21.52kmonkanyway
23:22.05kmonki seem to have lost permission to use my own menu
23:22.09kmonko_O
23:22.26kmonkyup
23:22.46nsadminicmp is very low traffic... it's probably among the least of your worries
23:23.16kmonkFailed to fork (Resource temporarily unavailable)    [running stuff from lxde-menu] access permissions everywhere
23:23.26kmonkmost of the internet is blacklisted
23:23.36nsadminhmm, you ran out of processes?!
23:23.47shivrajhow can I convert ogg to mp3 ?
23:23.59lszyba1alxc1: try google xrandr debian
23:23.59kmonkand there's a mental loopback hack in the iptables i came up with myself
23:24.03nsadminlame mayvbe
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23:24.24chrisn2323which version is best for desktop use?
23:24.25kmonkacutally maybe
23:24.31chrisn2323testing or unstable?
23:24.48adbstable
23:24.55nsadminthe're both moving targets
23:25.38nsadminif you're claiming that you're willing to withstand, find and solve any problems that come up, then testing
23:26.23chrisn2323isnt it that way for any distro nsadmin?
23:26.28nsadminand that goes for any generic linux problems and any debian-specific problems
23:26.52nsadminchrisn2323: sure
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23:27.30alxc1timidboy: well once i killed X and got into the terminal, i ran X -configure and it's gone blank :\ lszyba1: ok i'll try that
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23:28.11kmonkno it's not resource limits, its something more sinister
23:28.23timidboyalxc1: blank with a point of mouse in center of you monitor?
23:28.25kmonkbrb
23:28.27timidboyyour*
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23:29.12CutMeOwnThroat!tell shivraj -about dmm
23:29.14shivrajhow do I get ogg123 ?
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23:29.49TrueDDGood night all
23:29.50CutMeOwnThroatshivraj, ^^^  to encode mp3 you need lame which is in debian multimedia
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23:29.56alxc1timidboy: no, i logged out, crtl-alt-f1, had to delete a temp file because that was 'locking' X, then had to kill a 'gdm' before it would let me run -configure, then a completely blank terminal, anyway i'll reboot try again
23:30.00CutMeOwnThroat!tell shivraj -about search
23:30.23beardy!reboot
23:30.24dpkgYou want to reboot for WHAT??  If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot.  Ask me about <qotd2>.
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23:30.55timidboyalxc1: you can try X -config /root/xorg.conf.new. You dont need reboot you computer for test
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23:31.15timidboythis is a test, X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
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23:33.36alxc1timidboy: it just keeps giving me 'Fatal server error:'s wherever i try any X commang, telling me to make sure X isn't already running... when i've already killed it and gdm :\
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23:34.44timidboyalxc1: yes, /etc/init.d/gdm stop and try
23:35.00adb<PROTECTED>
23:35.02alxc1timidboy: yes i've done that, same error
23:35.02shivrajCutMeOwnThroat: help help .. its saying use ogg123
23:35.15timidboyalxc1: :/
23:35.19alxc1adb: and i've removed that
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23:37.08alxc1this is running in virtualbox by the way, i just realised i haven't mentioned that and probably should have, if there are any know issues there
23:37.15craigevilshivraj:  if your on gnome install soundconverter on kde its called soundkonverter
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23:39.07amphicraigevil: heh
23:39.09craigevilor just use ffmpeg , ffmpeg -i example.ogg to example.mp3  or for a lot at one time  do : for x in *.ogg; do ffmpeg -i "$x" "`basename "$x" .ogg`.mp3"; done
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23:48.19BoltPower21can you use debugfs to extract a file from a device node?
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23:49.12rmacdHi, I've got a noexec fs on /home but I'm wanting to allow exactly one - and only one - executable to run. It does not seem to be the case that a soft link to the same executable on a non-noexec partition gets round this problem. Is this expected?
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23:51.59blendmaster1024yes
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23:53.53jamonwould putting the executable in an external directory and bind mounting it into a dir on /home work?
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23:54.53rmacdthat's what I thought - however, I've just realised the problem - the executable was being started in a chrooted environment
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23:55.43rmacdjamon : think it may be the case that it's actually to do with the chroot... after a bit of the old cp/ln on different partition test which works fine ;)
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23:57.46rmacdhmmm. it's been a case of trial and error over the past couple of hours, been trying to integrate jailkit into the arsenal
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