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| 00:00.27 | abrotman | silidan1: can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf also |
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| 00:01.44 | silidan1 | http://paste.debian.net/41858/ |
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| 00:02.28 | eix | silidan1: you have Xorg 1.4.2, HAL hotplugging is not supported on that version |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | silidan1: i know it's going to make your nvidia unhappy (most likely) but can you try to mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.foo && touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:02.57 | eix | silidan1: you can just specify a keyboard layout in your xorg.conf |
| 00:03.15 | yan_ | any way to make 'apt-get remove' clean everything? including the config files its leaving behind |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | silidan1: and then restart X (gracefully) |
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| 00:03.28 | abrotman | yan_: man apt-get .. it tells you |
| 00:03.35 | silidan1 | i tryed it using XkbLayout and stuff as options, but it totally screwed keyboard |
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| 00:06.05 | silidan1 | what will this touch do? |
| 00:06.35 | abrotman | jsut create an empty file |
| 00:06.53 | silidan1 | k will try backing up xorg .conf |
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| 00:07.01 | silidan1 | and only using empti xorg.conf |
| 00:07.23 | BlueG | how can I determine where a package was installed from, for instance if it might have been installed from backports or installed from the testing src pkg? |
| 00:07.36 | abrotman | BlueG: apt-cache policy foo .. may tell you |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | though the bpo packages usually hve the bpo in the version string |
| 00:08.01 | abrotman | forgot to make food |
| 00:08.16 | silidan1 | restarting x now |
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| 00:08.22 | RichiH | abrotman: eat your foot! |
| 00:08.53 | RichiH | mmmh, tasty foot |
| 00:08.59 | RichiH | BlueG: there is no reliable way |
| 00:09.03 | RichiH | unfortunately |
| 00:09.10 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 00:09.10 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
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| 00:09.22 | abrotman | hides from RichiH |
| 00:09.30 | abrotman | silidan1: better? worse? same? dead? |
| 00:09.36 | silidan1 | ok keyboard still fucked up |
| 00:09.52 | silidan1 | and display not using ndvidia driver |
| 00:09.54 | abrotman | so .. same as before, or different f'ed up ? |
| 00:09.59 | silidan1 | mean bad resolution |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | yes .. i said nvidia would be unhappy |
| 00:10.06 | PsiKlops | silidan1 learn to configure your xorg.conf by hand i a quiet moment its quite easy i have noticed |
| 00:10.12 | silidan1 | keyboard same as beforew |
| 00:10.15 | PsiKlops | i=in |
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| 00:10.29 | abrotman | silidan1: try to use X -configure .. create a working xorg.conf with your keyboard settings .. and then add in the nvidia bits |
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| 00:11.19 | silidan1 | i already tried configuring the keyboard in xorg.conf by hand but it onlz got worse, i used an example for a german keyboard xorg.conf on debian |
| 00:11.42 | silidan1 | abrotman: wil try that |
| 00:11.51 | BlueG | hmmm, still not sure where I got it from... perhaps I built it from source myself... but I DO note that I have the 2.4 help files installed with a 2.6 GIMP, which I should probably rectify... |
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| 00:12.22 | silidan1 | ill be back |
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| 00:15.34 | BlueG | I think I must have installed the source package from testing and built that... I just found the source on my machine |
| 00:15.34 | silidan | kezboard still fyucked up |
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| 00:16.18 | silidan | why does only setxkbmap -layout de work ?? |
| 00:16.30 | silidan | and only when i ente rit manualy into shell |
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| 00:17.58 | tCzern | hello, in gnome screensaver, where can I get additional screensavers, I have only five by default and they are not very cool |
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| 00:18.15 | eix | silidan: what did you specify in xorg.conf? |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | silidan: so you got nvidia working again, but keyboard still messed ? |
| 00:18.38 | silidan | eix: more precise what do oyu want to know |
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| 00:18.52 | abrotman | tCzern: apt-cache search screensaver .. i believe there is a gnome-screensaver package that has a fair amount |
| 00:19.31 | eix | silidan: KbdLayout |
| 00:19.39 | silidan | abrotman: yes nvidia wokring again keyboard still broken by default ( only typing setxkbmap -layout de in shell fixes it temporarily) |
| 00:19.58 | eix | silidan: also 'setkbmap de' works, just fyi |
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| 00:20.07 | tCzern | abrotman: thanks! |
| 00:20.07 | eix | silidan: *setxkbmap |
| 00:20.08 | silidan | eix: no i use XkbLayout in driver option section |
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| 00:21.21 | silidan | Section "InputDevice" |
| 00:21.21 | silidan | Identifier "Keyboard0" |
| 00:21.21 | silidan | Driver "kbd" |
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| 00:21.35 | eix | is reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | he might have to set the model too |
| 00:22.56 | eix | abrotman: do you think he has an nVidia issue with keyboard? |
| 00:23.41 | abrotman | nope .. when he wiped out the xorg .. he had no nvidia and no keyboard |
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| 00:24.49 | PsiKlops | oh my, i just got etch installed, what modifications should i make to get lenny reconized in grub, when i choose my lenny install it errors out: Error 2: Bad file or directory |
| 00:25.29 | PsiKlops | do i have to set something in grub " update -> true ? |
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| 00:26.22 | silidan1 | ok keyboard still not working... tried Option "KbdLayout" "de" and co |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | it's XkbLayout |
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| 00:31.11 | eix | silidan1: Option "XkbLayout" "de" and that's all |
| 00:31.27 | eix | silidan1: also check in your xorg.conf that the "de" layout is really selected |
| 00:31.44 | eix | silidan1: s/xorg.conf/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:31.46 | silidan1 | eix: howà |
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| 00:32.02 | eix | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:32.08 | eix | grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:32.47 | silidan1 | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 00:32.47 | silidan1 | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 00:32.47 | eix | silidan1: xorg will tell you if it's ignoring weird option declarations |
| 00:33.00 | eix | silidan1: dont get kicked out again |
| 00:33.17 | eix | silidan1: use a pastebin if there are many grep'ed lines |
| 00:33.30 | silidan1 | thats all |
| 00:33.33 | eix | silidan1: no (EE)? good. |
| 00:33.41 | eix | silidan1: also grep WW? |
| 00:33.45 | eix | silidan1: same output? |
| 00:33.50 | superlinux | has any one noticed? all the windows boxes use cp1256 encoding |
| 00:33.55 | tCzern | I install rss-glx screensaver and something like "busy spheres" looks fine in the preview. But it won't start on the big screen, what's missing? |
| 00:34.02 | superlinux | and we use unicode |
| 00:34.05 | eix | superlinux: not sure about that |
| 00:34.07 | tCzern | crappy video card? |
| 00:34.10 | silidan1 | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. (the error line is same as with EE) |
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| 00:34.49 | eix | superlinux: i have found windows boxes using an iso cp and also cp43something |
| 00:34.53 | superlinux | eix, but i feel that cp1256 is old by now, and utf8 should enforeced |
| 00:35.11 | eix | superlinux: what does Vista/Windows7 use? |
| 00:35.19 | superlinux | i dont know |
| 00:35.33 | eix | superlinux: I guess they have their own "migration" and "backward compatibility" paths :D |
| 00:35.44 | superlinux | unicode should be going through now |
| 00:36.09 | eix | superlinux: somebody in the OS park is allergic to open standards.. |
| 00:36.55 | eix | superlinux: I migrated to linux in 2007 and never thought about going back once |
| 00:36.57 | superlinux | i was reading a book named software wars. it's a nice one |
| 00:37.19 | eix | superlinux: I can feel the red laser spot over our nicknames: they want debian discussion here!! |
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| 00:37.38 | eix | hides behind superlinux |
| 00:37.57 | superlinux | it praises open source movement and the author of the book is a programmer in M$ for around 11 years |
| 00:38.06 | eix | ahaha |
| 00:38.21 | superlinux | i'll give you the link guys |
| 00:38.29 | superlinux | http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_64/4964000/4964815/13/print/SoftwareWars.pdf |
| 00:38.45 | superlinux | just read and laugh at bill gates |
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| 00:38.55 | silidan1 | so i guess youre out of ideas what to do? |
| 00:38.58 | eix | superlinux wanna know a scoop? when opensource gets less philosophy and more work done, opensource will get into everybody's computer (even more than now) |
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| 00:39.18 | eix | silidan1: no, grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log returned nothing? |
| 00:39.19 | superlinux | yeah! yeah! true |
| 00:39.45 | silidan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.10 | eix | silidan1: ok so nothing useful |
| 00:40.18 | silidan1 | yep |
| 00:40.20 | eix | silidan1: can you paste the new Xorg.0.log somewhere? |
| 00:40.26 | silidan1 | yep |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | superlinux: try #debian-offtopic |
| 00:41.35 | silidan1 | http://paste.debian.net/41860/ |
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| 00:42.48 | eix | silidan1: Keyboard0: XkbLayout: "us" |
| 00:43.20 | eix | silidan1: are you sure the xorg.conf of that Xorg.0.log contained a line which said 'Option "Xkb_Layout" "de"'? |
| 00:43.58 | superlinux | abrotman! abrotman! abrotman! :) |
| 00:44.05 | superlinux | ok bro |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | not amused |
| 00:44.27 | eix | silidan1: please try Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | eix: the log tells you at the top |
| 00:45.01 | eix | silidan1: dont ask me why XkbLayout and not Xkb_Layout, they've changed it so many times.. |
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| 00:45.05 | eix | abrotman: what does it tell me? |
| 00:45.24 | superlinux | can i manipulate the speed of the USB between high (2.0) and low (1.0)? |
| 00:45.41 | eix | abrotman: (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" ? |
| 00:45.47 | eix | abrotman: yes it was a rethorical question |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | eix: which xorg.conf it used |
| 00:46.27 | eix | abrotman: my question was: are you sure to have restarted X after last edit to xorg.conf? that's the most common mistake |
| 00:46.37 | eix | abrotman: s/was/could be read as/ |
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| 00:47.35 | eix | silidan1: there are high chances that changing the XkbLayout from "us" to "de" (in /etc/X11/xorg.conf), and then restarting X, the keyboard layout will be fixed :) |
| 00:47.56 | silidan1 | eix, i never had it "us" |
| 00:48.08 | eix | the Xorg.0.log says you have |
| 00:48.14 | silidan1 | in my xorg.conf |
| 00:48.34 | eix | silidan1: the Xorg.0.log you pasted says you have |
| 00:48.41 | eix | silidan1: check line 12 of http://paste.debian.net/41860/ |
| 00:48.44 | silidan1 | well too bad about that , is seems it doesnt us ethe /etc/X11/xorg.conf file then |
| 00:49.05 | eix | silidan1: how are you rebooting Xorg? |
| 00:49.15 | eix | you know that even gdm/xdm still use Xorg? |
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| 00:49.41 | silidan1 | THIS is the log not the xorg.conf file, in the xorg.conf file there only was eithe nothing or "de" |
| 00:49.54 | silidan1 | i simply logout |
| 00:50.02 | silidan1 | it restarts x automaticaly |
| 00:50.17 | eix | silidan1: i am not sure it does |
| 00:50.19 | silidan1 | at least the big nvidia logo suggets that |
| 00:50.26 | PsiKlops | how much space does /boot whats in the xorg.conf now ? |
| 00:50.28 | eix | silidan1: that Xorg.0.log file also contains your xorg.conf file |
| 00:50.36 | PsiKlops | IN X11 |
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| 00:50.39 | silidan1 | i also tryed it trough /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:50.49 | silidan1 | and then start again |
| 00:50.52 | eix | silidan1: because config lines are marked with (**) |
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| 00:51.10 | PsiKlops | maybe reload |
| 00:51.34 | eix | silidan1: login as root and do pkill ^X$ |
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| 00:51.49 | eix | silidan1: then run /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:51.56 | Wyzard | /etc/init.gdm restart is equivalent to doing stop and then start |
| 00:52.00 | Wyzard | and there's no need for pkill |
| 00:52.03 | eix | silidan1: this way you will be sure that X was killed |
| 00:52.27 | Wyzard | better to shut it down gracefully |
| 00:52.39 | eix | Wyzard: yes best would be to use Ctlr+Alt+Backspace |
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| 00:52.52 | abrotman | no |
| 00:53.00 | silidan1 | lol |
| 00:53.03 | eix | Wyzard: but I dont know what's the 1.4.2 default for that feature |
| 00:53.06 | silidan1 | still not working |
| 00:53.19 | silidan1 | but at least in login screen it works now |
| 00:53.19 | eix | silidan1: did you kill the X process and restart gdm? |
| 00:53.27 | silidan1 | wait ill do that |
| 00:53.31 | Wyzard | eix: That's an abrupt kill, and doesn't give any of your X clients an opportunity to exit gracefully |
| 00:53.44 | Wyzard | eix: So are "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 00:53.59 | eix | Wyzard: we are testing xorg.conf, not doing it as a normal praxis |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | why are you using kill at all ? |
| 00:54.08 | Wyzard | eix: best thing to do if you're logged into X is "/etc/init.d/gdm reload" and then log out -- the "reload" tells it to restart next time the user logs out, rather than immediately |
| 00:54.12 | eix | Wyzard: gdm stop kills X process? |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | eix: do you know what happens when you just kill X ? |
| 00:54.41 | eix | abrotman: no abrotman, tell us |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | eix: exactly |
| 00:54.49 | Wyzard | eix: yes, because gdm, which is X's parent process, kills it |
| 00:55.10 | eix | Wyzard: ok, so silidan can use that command |
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| 00:55.35 | silidan | still> login it wokrs, logged it not |
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| 00:55.47 | abrotman | eix: it kills it .. but not the same way you're doing .. gdm shuts it down .. not just abruptly kills it |
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| 00:55.50 | silidan | THIS SUCKS! |
| 00:56.12 | eix | abrotman: it doesn't matter when you are trying a new xorg.conf |
| 00:56.14 | silidan | ill try a reboot now |
| 00:56.15 | jpinx-eeepc | eix: if he is already in X, he can pull the desktop menu and ask to log out - that'll take him back to the desktop manager where he can restart X |
| 00:56.26 | eix | silidan: not necessary |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | eix: it might .. don't tell people to just kill X |
| 00:56.38 | silidan | i dont car ill reboot now |
| 00:56.38 | jpinx-eeepc | silidan: ^^ |
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| 00:56.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Oh well..... |
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| 00:57.04 | eix | abrotman, jpinx-eeepc OK, I know that, I just wanted him to understand the concept behind |
| 00:57.13 | eix | which is to have X restart someway or another |
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| 00:57.18 | abrotman | but you didn't explain that /etc/init.d/gdm restart .. doesn't implode X |
| 00:57.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: but it does abruptly disconnect any clients running in the X session |
| 00:57.45 | eix | abrotman: I didnt trust his usage of gdm restart because he wasn't even doing it right before I told him to kill X! |
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| 00:58.07 | eix | if he had used it correctly, he wouldn't have given me a Xorg.0.log produced with the original untouched xorg.conf |
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| 00:58.13 | jpinx-eeepc | eix: kill really is a brute force last resort too; |
| 00:58.19 | jpinx-eeepc | *tool |
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| 00:58.44 | eix | jpinx-eeepc: things will keep working perfectly anyway |
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| 00:59.08 | silidan | still not working in gnome only on login screen |
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| 00:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | silidan: it sounds like a gnome setting then |
| 00:59.30 | eix | silidan: I know, reboots are nothing on linux |
| 00:59.46 | eix | silidan: yeah it must be a gnome thing |
| 00:59.50 | Wyzard | eix: X won't be damaged by a kill, but applications running within it may terminate abruptly without cleaning up after themselves |
| 01:00.11 | Wyzard | silidan: What's the problem you're trying to fix? |
| 01:00.12 | eix | Wyzard: the idea was that he had *no* applications because we were testing xorg.conf and keyboard layout |
| 01:00.25 | silidan | keyboard layout |
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| 01:00.41 | Wyzard | In recent versions of xorg (e.g. in sid, maybe testing), the GNOME setting for keyboard type should be set to "evdev-managed keyboard" |
| 01:00.42 | eix | Wyzard: I was not telling people "kill X every hour to get better performance" |
| 01:00.48 | Wyzard | not "standard 104-key PC" like it used to be |
| 01:00.58 | Wyzard | dunno if that has anything to do with your problem though |
| 01:00.59 | eix | Wyzard: not his case |
| 01:01.06 | eix | Wyzard: no, he has Xorg 1.4.2 |
| 01:01.10 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:01.30 | silidan | freshlz installed debian with desktop environment and german language and keyboars setting, but german laoyout onlz used in ty1-6 and now in login screen but still not in gnome |
| 01:01.53 | silidan | pc105 |
| 01:02.00 | Wyzard | That does sound like a gnome thing, then, since it has its own keyboard settings that get applied when you log in |
| 01:02.14 | Wyzard | (the switch to evdev in newer versions is a solution to that) |
| 01:02.36 | eix | silidan: pc105 where is that? |
| 01:02.37 | Wyzard | In gdm's session options, do you have an option to run "failsafe xterm" instead of gnome? |
| 01:02.49 | Wyzard | You could try that and see if the keyboard works properly there -- that'd help to confirm that it's GNOME |
| 01:02.50 | silidan | great that it is a gnome setting but where to set it_ |
| 01:03.04 | Wyzard | System -> Preferences -> Keyboard |
| 01:03.19 | eix | Wyzard: I think he has a crash with that tool |
| 01:03.22 | silidan | pc105 was chosen during dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg |
| 01:03.49 | Wyzard | eix: then that's the thing to troubleshoot |
| 01:04.10 | eix | silidan: still getting a crash with that gnome keyboard program? |
| 01:04.15 | silidan | in youre holy szstem - preferences - keyboard its set to german but has NO effect |
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| 01:04.28 | silidan | wait ill check |
| 01:04.29 | eix | Wyzard: ah, ok no crash - just no effect |
| 01:04.45 | eix | silidan: so there's no crash, it simply doesn't do its job |
| 01:05.08 | silidan | zep still get the error |
| 01:05.23 | PsiKlops | how do i get my lenny install reconized next to my etch install, i cannot load lenny in grub |
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| 01:05.36 | yaaar | howdy |
| 01:05.41 | eix | silidan: have you googled about that error? |
| 01:05.45 | silidan | this one line 1: dpy: 0x8750d88 line 2: evt/error/major/minor: 117/185/1/0 |
| 01:06.23 | silidan | guys its 3 am here im falling off my chair |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | expects to see a whole bunch of ............. soon :) |
| 01:07.06 | eix | silidan: we are on the same timezone |
| 01:07.08 | PsiKlops | silidan i already drank 2 bottles of green tea from LIDL :) |
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| 01:07.12 | silidan | i googled the error no result |
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| 01:07.31 | silidan | doh |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | eix: couldn't you have at least guessed that before from the .de kbd layout ? |
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| 01:08.20 | silidan | abrotman: just to remember zou its 3am and its raining like there is no tomorrow |
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| 01:08.22 | PsiKlops | silidan switch to etch |
| 01:08.32 | PsiKlops | its very nice |
| 01:08.33 | eix | silidan: i have found something |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | PsiKlops: please don't say that |
| 01:08.46 | silidan | eix> what_ |
| 01:08.51 | PsiKlops | lol, why note |
| 01:08.52 | eix | abrotman: no because i dont use gnome |
| 01:08.55 | PsiKlops | not |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | eix: i meant the .de layout being from germany .. same timezone |
| 01:09.28 | eix | silidan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377318 |
| 01:09.43 | eix | abrotman: i knew that boy |
| 01:10.44 | eix | silidan: uhm..not yet |
| 01:11.39 | eix | silidan: what does it say after the dpy error? |
| 01:11.53 | eix | silidan: I mean after the evt/major/minor line |
| 01:12.37 | silidan | nothing |
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| 01:13.11 | Shazzamy | hello |
| 01:13.33 | silidan | if this is the stable release of debian i dont want to even think about the unstable |
| 01:13.36 | Shazzamy | how can safely uninstall grub and debian from my vista system? |
| 01:13.47 | silidan | take achainsaw |
| 01:13.53 | Shazzamy | hahaha |
| 01:14.00 | Shazzamy | good idea, but no thanks |
| 01:14.12 | eix | silidan: so there is no error.. |
| 01:14.17 | PsiKlops | that was point ^^^ |
| 01:14.19 | silidan | ok try it with something containing ammoniumchloride |
| 01:14.24 | PsiKlops | my |
| 01:14.32 | eix | silidan: most probably it's your keyboard which has some problem |
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| 01:14.38 | Shazzamy | still the wrong answer |
| 01:14.46 | eix | silidan: I mean: maybe gnome cant handle it |
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| 01:14.52 | abrotman | Shazzamy: ask ##windows |
| 01:14.58 | silidan | eix: yea sure it works in ever yother distro just not debian must be a keyboard problem |
| 01:15.03 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 01:15.05 | Shazzamy | thanks |
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| 01:15.12 | eix | silidan: even under gnome? |
| 01:15.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Shazzamy: use some toold to repartion the linux partiitions to waht you want |
| 01:15.20 | PsiKlops | try a liveCD |
| 01:15.41 | silidan | YES! |
| 01:15.47 | silidan | even under gnome |
| 01:16.00 | Shazzamy | ok? |
| 01:16.06 | Wyzard | Shazzamy: To remove GRUB, use fixmbr from the Windows recovery console |
| 01:16.08 | Shazzamy | how do i get rid of grub though? |
| 01:16.26 | Shazzamy | and get my system back to what it was before i put debian on it? |
| 01:16.37 | eix | silidan: I really cant help you with a gnome issue because i dont use that |
| 01:16.41 | eix | silidan: maybe in #gnome? |
| 01:16.48 | Wyzard | That'll get rid of the GRUB prompt so your system boots straight to Windows |
| 01:16.54 | silidan | eix: thanks for youre effort |
| 01:17.07 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 01:17.10 | eix | silidan: (maybe that's why i dont use it ;)) |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: please ask ##windows |
| 01:17.24 | Shazzamy | then i can just get rid of my debian partition i made? |
| 01:17.26 | jpinx-eeepc | me? |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | Shazzamy: ask ##windows ... |
| 01:17.42 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 01:17.44 | Wyzard | You can delete the Debian partition using Windows' built-in disk management, but to expand your Windows partition to use that space, you'll have to use some Windows partition-editing software which is offtopic here |
| 01:17.54 | Shazzamy | just wondering here |
| 01:17.58 | Shazzamy | just a yes or no answer |
| 01:18.00 | silidan | shazzamy you dont need to get rid of it there is a driver out for linux filesystem so you can use them in windows |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | or he could ask ##windows |
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| 01:18.44 | Wyzard | I don't think it's unreasonable to ask #debian about how to remove Debian from a machine |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | except that it's all over google |
| 01:18.57 | silidan | Shazzamy: try every live distro you can find out there and the one thats running with the least issues is the one you want |
| 01:18.59 | Wyzard | The key words are "fixmbr" and "disk management" -- details of how to use them are --> #windows though |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | even MS wrote a document about it |
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| 01:19.47 | silidan | eix: what are you using? |
| 01:19.55 | Shazzamy | actually nvm |
| 01:19.56 | eix | silidan: xfce |
| 01:20.13 | silidan | eix: why? |
| 01:20.25 | eix | silidan: because gnome sucks |
| 01:20.28 | Shazzamy | anyone know a good guide to use to make the windows partition the primary boot sector? |
| 01:20.33 | nouWan | anyone who about why can not connect each others in same netmask same gateway between two debian , any clue could not found hmm |
| 01:20.36 | eix | silidan: it cant even get a german keyboard working! |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | Shazzamy: ##windows .. please |
| 01:20.41 | silidan | eix: well on arch gnome was fine |
| 01:21.00 | eix | silidan: it was probably a different version |
| 01:21.02 | Shazzamy | abrotman... |
| 01:21.02 | silidan | bad thing about arch: i missed so many packages i need |
| 01:21.14 | Wyzard | Shazzamy: I already told you, fixmbr |
| 01:21.14 | eix | silidan: they weren't in AUR? |
| 01:21.25 | silidan | i guess arch is damn close to bleeding edge |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | please let him go to ##windows |
| 01:21.35 | nouWan | even same situation has gotten who |
| 01:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | silidan: I'm using lxde with a spanish keyboard and english language as default |
| 01:22.00 | silidan | eix: some of them were in aur but not all of them + some were broken |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | nouWan: how are you trying to connect? |
| 01:22.34 | nouWan | abrotman , by testing ping |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | nouWan: by IP or name? |
| 01:23.22 | neko_ | y0y0! :) |
| 01:24.00 | nouWan | abrotman , by ip they can ping gateway on each others |
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| 01:24.00 | eix | silidan: I am still using it on some boxes and can get the missing stuff anyway |
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| 01:24.00 | nouWan | but no peer to peer |
| 01:24.00 | SQlvpapir | European version http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx :D |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | nouWan: and you're sure the netmask is correct? |
| 01:24.00 | nouWan | s/no/not |
| 01:24.00 | RedEyess | what happens if avahi can't connect to the network? |
| 01:24.00 | silidan | eix: what arch? |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: wrong channel ? |
| 01:24.05 | nouWan | abrotman , yeap sure |
| 01:24.13 | eix | silidan: yes |
| 01:24.14 | abrotman | nouWan: can the router ping each ? |
| 01:24.21 | nouWan | yeap |
| 01:24.23 | eix | silidan: i686 |
| 01:24.26 | Shazzamy | nevermind, i just want to make windows boot first instead of debian, i found a guide one day when i was searching on google, but i forgot what i searched, if someone could give me a brief overview in a pm, thats all i need |
| 01:24.39 | SQlvpapir | abrotman: its the dev. version.. pretty awesome. going to order one soonish |
| 01:24.42 | eix | Shazzamy: you need to read some netiquette |
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| 01:25.29 | nouWan | even same netmask they can not ping each other but gateway could |
| 01:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Shazzamy: if you want to keep debian just edit grub to show your vista as the first item in the menu |
| 01:25.52 | Shazzamy | quick overview is all i need |
| 01:26.02 | Shazzamy | ora link to a guide to do exactly that |
| 01:26.10 | nouWan | is it possible in normal situation ? |
| 01:26.28 | RedEyess | i have been to a public library and i can connect to their internal website via wireless networking |
| 01:26.34 | RedEyess | but i can't get to the outside world |
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| 01:26.50 | nouWan | they attachted same hub |
| 01:26.54 | jpinx-eeepc | RedEyess: did you ask the librarian? |
| 01:26.57 | Wyzard | Shazzamy: As root, open /boot/grub/menu.lst in a text editor |
| 01:26.58 | RedEyess | when i connect to the wireless network, i get a notification mentioning something about avahi |
| 01:27.04 | RedEyess | yes,... i asked the librarian |
| 01:27.05 | silidan | im off for now bye all and thenks that you tryed to help me |
| 01:27.06 | Wyzard | Shazzamy: Find the "default" line |
| 01:27.13 | silidan | +thanks |
| 01:27.19 | eix | RedEyess: right channel? |
| 01:27.20 | RedEyess | and i asked another person who was connected by a wireless network using windows :( |
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| 01:27.27 | RedEyess | and they were able to connect |
| 01:27.36 | PsiKlops | nouWan: might it be /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 01:27.41 | eix | RedEyess: maybe it's a DNS problem? |
| 01:27.46 | RedEyess | eix: right channel? not sure... but i thought that maybe someone bumped into this issue |
| 01:27.51 | Shazzamy | nvm here wyzard |
| 01:27.55 | RedEyess | eix: it could and might probably be. |
| 01:28.02 | Shazzamy | im gonna get rid of debian atm |
| 01:28.15 | nouWan | i knows resolv.conf ¤Á¤ red name not ip |
| 01:28.16 | RedEyess | the notification mentions something about avahi and dns |
| 01:28.27 | eix | RedEyess: can you ping google.com ? can you ping a DNS server like 208.67.220.220? |
| 01:28.44 | PsiKlops | put in the routers IP in resolv.conf |
| 01:28.53 | RedEyess | i am not there now... but i tried pinging yahoo.com before with no luck |
| 01:29.01 | RedEyess | or it took a real, real long time |
| 01:29.13 | eix | RedEyess: ok so you can setup custom DNS servers through avahi or whatever tool |
| 01:29.35 | PsiKlops | nameserver 192.xxx.zzz.yyy |
| 01:29.50 | eix | PsiKlops: might not be that subnet |
| 01:29.59 | RedEyess | eix: are you saying i should set it up manually? |
| 01:29.59 | nouWan | iface eth0 inet static |
| 01:30.00 | nouWan | address 192.168.45.155 |
| 01:30.00 | nouWan | network 192.168.45.0 |
| 01:30.00 | nouWan | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 01:30.25 | salahuddin | RedEyess: Just check the # ifconfig after connect there |
| 01:30.25 | eix | RedEyess: manually as last resort, better if using avahi or some other tool you have installed |
| 01:30.25 | RedEyess | should i disable the avahi daemon? |
| 01:30.26 | eix | RedEyess: like networkmanager or wicd |
| 01:30.27 | PsiKlops | ohwell |
| 01:30.31 | RedEyess | right |
| 01:30.36 | RedEyess | i understand how to do that |
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| 01:30.37 | RedEyess | ok |
| 01:30.40 | eix | RedEyess: ahah..you cant, it's like hardcoded |
| 01:30.40 | RedEyess | will give a try |
| 01:30.48 | eix | RedEyess: get the OpenDNS servers |
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| 01:31.06 | RedEyess | sudo gedit /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
| 01:31.09 | eix | RedEyess: you might want to use those |
| 01:31.16 | nouWan | iface eth0 inet static |
| 01:31.16 | nouWan | address 192.168.45.155 |
| 01:31.16 | nouWan | network 192.168.45.0 |
| 01:31.16 | nouWan | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:31.16 | nouWan | broadcast 192.168.45.255 |
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| 01:31.23 | eix | RedEyess: dont ask me - I dont know :) |
| 01:31.31 | RedEyess | k dude |
| 01:31.34 | RedEyess | thanks |
| 01:31.39 | RedEyess | i needed a second perspective |
| 01:31.40 | RedEyess | i don |
| 01:31.47 | RedEyess | i don't fully understand avahi |
| 01:31.53 | PsiKlops | !paste |
| 01:31.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | it's a zeroconf daemon |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | PsiKlops: he's ..gone |
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| 01:34.48 | RedEyess | does avahi resolve dns information? |
| 01:35.13 | eix | RedEyess: yes it's a DHCP and DNS daemon |
| 01:35.23 | eix | RedEyess: i have fought it with all my rsources :) |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | it's a bit more than that |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 01:35.27 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 01:35.33 | nouWan | banned .. :| |
| 01:35.45 | eix | nouWan: paste into a pastebin |
| 01:35.58 | RedEyess | ic |
| 01:36.01 | abrotman | nouWan: use paste.debian.net |
| 01:36.09 | nouWan | eix, yeap i try thanks |
| 01:36.24 | RedEyess | and opendns is a replacement? |
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| 01:36.35 | abrotman | opendns are a set of DNS servers |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | RedEyess: does `nslookup www.google.com` work ? |
| 01:37.01 | RedEyess | i am not at the library now... but i will try later |
| 01:37.23 | eix | RedEyess: opendns are just public dns servers |
| 01:37.39 | RedEyess | i guess if dns is down a nslookup would be futile |
| 01:37.44 | RedEyess | like the borg |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | RedEyess: did you actually try it ? |
| 01:38.05 | eix | gee..i didnt know that debian was believing in zeroconf :) |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | it gets installed with the gnome metapackage |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | (no idea if it does with kde) |
| 01:40.05 | nouWan | this is two machines interface defines http://paste.debian.net/41861 |
| 01:40.13 | eix | will 'aptitude reinstall' suffice to re-create missing or 0byte files? |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | eix: depends which files |
| 01:40.59 | eix | abrotman: man files for example |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:41.14 | eix | abrotman: what if I dont know which files are missing? |
| 01:41.31 | eix | abrotman: the device was without free space when I saw the failing aptitude ops |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | eix: then how woudl you know it was a 0 length file? :) |
| 01:41.52 | RedEyess | i just turned off the avahi-daemon and urls are still resolving |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | eix: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 01:42.25 | RedEyess | these don't resolve DNS information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28genus%29 |
| 01:42.30 | eix | RedEyess: /etc/resolv.conf gives the DNS servers |
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| 01:42.52 | RedEyess | right |
| 01:42.53 | RedEyess | ok |
| 01:43.14 | eix | RedEyess: question is: is it worth modifying that file if avahi or some other guy will overwrite it? |
| 01:44.03 | RedEyess | probably not |
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| 01:44.52 | abrotman | nouWan: maybe it's time for a packet sniffer |
| 01:45.13 | nouWan | abrotman , :0 snifffer? |
| 01:45.16 | jelly-home | understands avahi just enough to get rid of it (in nsswitch.conf) |
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| 01:45.38 | abrotman | yay mdns! |
| 01:45.39 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's actually libnss-mdns, not avahi itself |
| 01:45.56 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Why are you getting rid of something you don't know anything about? |
| 01:46.27 | SuperMiguel | how can i check what is using my memory ? |
| 01:46.30 | SuperMiguel | only top does gthat? |
| 01:46.38 | eix | Wyzard: default is not better |
| 01:46.53 | eix | it's just chosen by somebody else :) |
| 01:47.24 | Wyzard | eix: sure, and it's reasonable to remove it if you have a good reason to do so |
| 01:47.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: because a) no need for it b) it messes with .local resolving c) slows down gethostbyname() |
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| 01:48.05 | Wyzard | If it's configured properly it should only slow down gethostbyname() when DNS is down |
| 01:48.16 | Wyzard | but if your site actually has a .local zone in static DNS, I could see that being a problem |
| 01:48.31 | jelly-home | it's not configured properly by default, ergo, out the window |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: sure .. top will work |
| 01:48.37 | Wyzard | yes it is |
| 01:48.47 | Wyzard | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 01:49.21 | Wyzard | mdns4_minimal only handles .local requests, I believe, and lets everything else pass straight through to dns |
| 01:49.27 | jelly-home | right, that becomes hosts: files dns very soon after a fresh debian installation |
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| 01:49.47 | Wyzard | The mdns4 at the end can slow things down if dns doesn't return an authoritative answer |
| 01:50.26 | eix | jelly-home: i have also removed it some time ago, never missed it |
| 01:50.39 | jelly-home | dnscaches do not return authoritative answers |
| 01:50.57 | jelly-home | most ISP dns entries are caches |
| 01:51.17 | SuperMiguel | is the httpd.conf the same as the apache2.conf file? |
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| 01:51.46 | eix | SuperMiguel: they are organized differently but same purpose |
| 01:51.49 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it's a broken config in more than one way, and shouldn't be imposed on people not actively using zeroconf services |
| 01:52.25 | eix | jelly-home: i also couldnt get rid of console-kit-daemon, which I think is the little brother of avahi-daemon |
| 01:52.37 | eix | jelly-home: I finally did it the old way :) |
| 01:52.39 | jelly-home | can't say anything about that |
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| 01:53.08 | Wyzard | I dont't think "authoritative" was the right word for me to use... what I mean is that if the dns lookup doesn't return an answer (even NXDOMAIN), then mdns tries resolving it |
| 01:53.15 | Wyzard | But that should be a pretty uncommon case |
| 01:54.17 | Wyzard | eix: no, consolekit is not related to avahi |
| 01:54.27 | Wyzard | What's with this superstitions rejection of parts of the OS that you don't understand? |
| 01:54.51 | eix | Wyzard: yeah I know, I was just saying that it has the same feature-add of avahi |
| 01:55.11 | eix | Wyzard: "parts of the OS which consume my resources", yes? |
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| 01:55.43 | Wyzard | eix: What "resource" are you concerned about it consuming? |
| 01:55.51 | eix | Wyzard: console-kit and avahi are simply two programs which I dont need. stop. |
| 01:56.12 | eix | Wyzard: it doesn't matter how much really, my PC is often at 100% CPU usage so I want each drop |
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| 01:57.23 | Wyzard | Those services don't consume any CPU if you're not using them |
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| 01:57.44 | eix | Wyzard: they do |
| 01:57.53 | Wyzard | If you don't need it then I'm not saying you shouldn't remove it, but it sounds like your reasons for wanting to remove these things are not based on any real understanding of what they do or how they work |
| 01:58.08 | eix | Wyzard: peaks of 0.2% each one |
| 01:58.33 | eix | Wyzard: before removing them I got myself informed about their purpose |
| 01:58.42 | eix | Wyzard: and did not find it useful |
| 01:58.44 | caimlas | is it possible for a machine (debian 5) to have been rooted if the machine had been set up in such a fashion (ie any ssh/ssl related exploit) as to have ssh open externally (via a router) but w/ the only apparent 'successful' login attempt from that interface having been 'guest' (set to have /bin/false shell) via passwd? the machine was last updated mid-june, and I'm not sure if that specific configuration would result in a problem, direct |
| 01:58.44 | caimlas | ly, or if there might be a system vulnerability which might lead to it being problematic. |
| 01:59.35 | Wyzard | eix: "peaks" of 0.2% CPU, with how much time in between at 0% CPU? |
| 02:00.03 | Dominicus | Does know what would be causing denyhosts (or debian for that matter) to autoblock the ip addresses of my router that is doing port forwarding, instead of the attacker's ip address? |
| 02:00.04 | Wyzard | 0.2% CPU for a few seconds per day makes no perceptible difference |
| 02:00.10 | eix | Wyzard: if I can spot them in a htop view, they are consuming A LOT |
| 02:00.18 | eix | Wyzard: for what feature? |
| 02:00.25 | eix | 0.2% / 0 = inf |
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| 02:02.01 | Shazzamy | all i need is to get rid of grub and debian |
| 02:02.04 | Dominicus | ponders how 0.002/0 is equal to infinity, in this reality. |
| 02:02.39 | Wyzard | eix: Run "ps -ef | grep avahi-daemon" and look in column 7, the one right before the command name |
| 02:02.44 | eix | Dominicus: that was to say that you wouldn't pay 2 cents for nothing. maybe for a peanut, but not for nothing.. |
| 02:02.53 | Wyzard | eix: That's how much time the program has actually spent running on the CPU |
| 02:03.03 | eix | Wyzard: yes i know that magic |
| 02:03.11 | Wyzard | eix: Divide that by how the time since the program was started (column 5) |
| 02:03.18 | eix | Wyzard: but i dont run programs which i dont use |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | Shazzamy: go to ##windows .. |
| 02:03.20 | Dominicus | enjoys the conversations in this channel. |
| 02:03.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Shazzamy: you've been told - now please go and do it |
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| 02:04.36 | eix | Shazzamy you want to remove Debian and put back Windows? next time why dont you try a LiveCD? |
| 02:04.57 | Shazzamy | fuck this |
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| 02:05.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !next |
| 02:05.16 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 02:05.42 | eix | dpkg good one! :) |
| 02:05.43 | dpkg | eix: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:07.49 | Wyzard | told Shazammy what to do half an hour ago in ##windows |
| 02:08.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: don't worry - he wasn't listening to any of us |
| 02:09.06 | eix | Wyzard: maybe he thought that we in #debian are paid to fix his mistakes, like if this was a paid support center |
| 02:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | sends eix an invoice for $500 |
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| 02:10.59 | eix | helps jpinx-eeepc with the Debian Lenny SP3 upgrade problems |
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| 02:14.01 | nouWan | Noble , it seems "D-war" isntit? |
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| 02:17.05 | nouWan | Noble , it maybe based on korean traditional lengends something but little bit terrible something hmm |
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| 02:18.41 | nouWan | hmm no clues yet :| keep trying .. |
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| 02:23.46 | eix | can aptitude use sqlite? |
| 02:24.19 | eix | BDB is slow |
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| 02:25.03 | bitweiler | hey i was wondering can I resize a partition even though during installation I use the whole disk? mainly /dev/hda1 ->ext3 ->size3.8G but used is 1.3G leaving 2.3G available on /. Can I resize it to create another partition that's 1.3G in size? |
| 02:25.54 | eix | bitweiler: use a RIP linux LiveCD |
| 02:26.02 | eix | bitweiler: it contains gparted which will do the job |
| 02:26.20 | eix | bitweiler: you can also dump the CD to disk and boot it from GRUB |
| 02:27.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian-live should have gparted on it |
| 02:28.48 | bitweiler | okay thanks |
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| 02:32.03 | bitweiler | is gparted a gnome tool? or does it come with lxde as well? |
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| 02:35.52 | eix | bitweiler: it's parted on GTK+ |
| 02:36.16 | eix | bitweiler: it's not gnome-parted if you were wondering |
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| 02:41.09 | jpinx-eeepc | bitweiler: there is a filesystem tool to make sure you don't lose data |
| 02:41.34 | jpinx-eeepc | man tunefs and look for "see also" |
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| 02:42.36 | Wyzard | tune2fs, you mean |
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| 02:43.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Wyzard: yea - that - even ;) |
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| 02:45.22 | BubbaT | IF I have a package A how can I generate the list of packages that A depends on? |
| 02:45.43 | Wyzard | BubbaT: apt-cache show packagename |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | apt-cache depends foo |
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| 02:45.59 | BubbaT | Thanks Wyzard |
| 02:46.28 | Wyzard | BubbaT: abrotman's suggestion is better (I'd forgotten about that command) |
| 02:46.54 | unreal-dude | anyone having probs with setting up mysql with apt-get? im having broken dependencies, how shall i deal with this? |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | in which version of debian ? |
| 02:47.39 | unreal-dude | 1 sec, gotta look |
| 02:48.16 | unreal-dude | 4.0 ETCH |
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| 02:49.20 | abrotman | unreal-dude: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:49.40 | unreal-dude | kk |
| 02:50.18 | unreal-dude | heh its 3 lines |
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| 02:52.31 | thiebaude | bazhang: hi |
| 02:52.50 | unreal-dude | ok, pastebin gives me this > Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved |
| 02:52.53 | unreal-dude | guess that dont work |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 02:54.19 | unreal-dude | http://paste.debian.net/41862/ |
| 02:54.38 | unreal-dude | i added last line after i realized i had a prob a commented the 1st one out |
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| 02:55.22 | abrotman | unreal-dude: you shouldn't be mixing stable and etch |
| 02:55.33 | thiebaude | how do i open up update manager to see if i have updates? |
| 02:55.43 | unreal-dude | didnt notice :P |
| 02:56.04 | unreal-dude | guess i just pulled that from my old system cause it works |
| 02:56.48 | unreal-dude | still, thats not the prob, is there a link for a good default, those 1st 2 lines are what were included in the OS image for my virtual machine |
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| 02:58.09 | macrobat | im reading a windows textfile and there are spaces between each letter and 3 spaces for space, how can i make it look more normal? |
| 02:58.43 | Wyzard | macrobat: That file is encoded in UTF-16 |
| 02:59.40 | \amethyst | macrobat: iconv -f utf16 -t utf8 < file > file.new |
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| 02:59.46 | macrobat | ty |
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| 03:00.19 | \amethyst | or open it in vim, :set fenc=utf8, and save |
| 03:00.21 | Wyzard | assuming that whatever you're reading it with understands UTF-8 |
| 03:00.34 | Wyzard | (though if it doesn't, the effect won't be as strange) |
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| 03:01.02 | \amethyst | UTF-8 is all you're guaranteed to be able to convert to |
| 03:01.08 | macrobat | it worked with default settings in vim-tiny :) |
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| 03:02.58 | unreal-dude | this should work fine as a sources.list for me? http://www.visoracle.com/vm/debian40/sourceslist.html |
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| 03:05.54 | aRahim | hi guys, video in mo4 format doesnt play in smplayer |
| 03:06.04 | racecar56 | can someone give me the debian etch security key? |
| 03:07.08 | aRahim | video in mp4 format doesnt play in smplayer :( Why? |
| 03:07.15 | phillipsm | hands racecar56 the key to his heart |
| 03:07.51 | Wyzard | racecar56: It's in the debian-archive-keyring package |
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| 03:08.31 | aRahim | so which codec should i install for smplayer? |
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| 03:11.16 | unreal-dude | how can i view the dependencies of a .deb |
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| 03:13.35 | racecar56 | my internet isn't working :( |
| 03:13.57 | racecar56 | that is, on my etch computer |
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| 03:15.31 | caimlas | is it possible for a machine (debian 5) to have been rooted if the machine had been set up in such a fashion (ie any ssh/ssl related exploit) as to have ssh open externally (via a router) but w/ the only apparent 'successful' login attempt from that interface having been 'guest' (set to have /bin/false shell) via passwd? the machine was last updated mid-june, and I'm not sure if that specific configuration would result in a problem, direct |
| 03:15.31 | caimlas | ly, or if there might be a system vulnerability which might lead to it being problematic. this is debian 5 btw |
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| 03:16.38 | jpinx-eeepc | unreal-dude: aptitude install -s <package> |
| 03:17.19 | locus | hi, I have a server with a broken deb package listing (/var/lib/dpkg/*) and some missing files in some packages. Is there any way to reinstall broken packages? (running etch, btw) |
| 03:17.28 | locus | err, sarge even |
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| 03:20.07 | racecar56 | sudo apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 03:20.23 | unreal-dude | its not ubuntu, drop the sudo |
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| 03:21.01 | racecar56 | uhh... |
| 03:21.05 | caimlas | if someone tries to exploit a system via a ssh login with a shell set to /bin/false, are they going to get anywhere? |
| 03:21.05 | jpinx-eeepc | racecar56: that is incorrect |
| 03:21.08 | racecar56 | isn't sudo in debian? |
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| 03:21.23 | caimlas | it is if you install it, racecar56 |
| 03:21.35 | racecar56 | i thought it came with it |
| 03:21.38 | racecar56 | k |
| 03:21.51 | jpinx-eeepc | caimlas: if they're clever - yes |
| 03:22.02 | racecar56 | so, how will i fix my internet? running etch |
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| 03:22.12 | racecar56 | there isn't a network manager thingy |
| 03:22.37 | caimlas | jpinx-eeepc, how 'clever' is clever? like, write their own exploit for an unknown/unexploited vulnerability? or something else? |
| 03:22.49 | caimlas | racecar56, what's wrong w/ your internet, so to speak? |
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| 03:22.58 | racecar56 | caimlas: i don't really know... |
| 03:23.04 | jpinx-eeepc | cleverer than you or me caimlas ;) |
| 03:23.29 | racecar56 | caimlas: i know how to find the problem, attempt to install a packgage, it fails to get on internet so it fails |
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| 03:24.34 | racecar56 | caimlas: this is weird as it worked before |
| 03:25.22 | unreal-dude | fix to my mysql prob |
| 03:25.22 | unreal-dude | http://forums.vpslink.com/ubuntu/797-mysql-install-error.html |
| 03:25.22 | caimlas | jpinx-eeepc, was going to say, /bin/false is just a small binary linking to ld-linux and libc, returning false... |
| 03:25.22 | caimlas | racecar56, that's not really helpful. |
| 03:25.38 | unreal-dude | or so it appears, i still get errors, bit its running |
| 03:26.01 | racecar56 | caimlas: want to know the ethernet adapter? |
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| 03:26.25 | Dracie | hello how doi check what driver X is using? |
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| 03:27.18 | caimlas | droidcore, xdriinfo should say, i think |
| 03:27.44 | Dracie | oh lol you mean dracie |
| 03:27.53 | Dracie | appreciate itt, i have always wodnered :) |
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| 03:28.38 | caimlas | Dracie, sure |
| 03:28.58 | caimlas | not 100% certain as libGL is somewhat broken w/ the current nvidia driver i've got installed |
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| 03:29.35 | racecar56 | is there anything like dhclient on ubuntu that comes with debian? my internet isnt working |
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| 03:30.43 | macrobat | dhclient |
| 03:31.17 | racecar56 | bash: dhclient: command not found |
| 03:31.18 | SuperMiguel | how can i know what is using my memory? |
| 03:31.21 | SuperMiguel | which program |
| 03:31.22 | Dominicus | racecar56: You should already have dhclient. You probably just can't access it, because you're not executing it as root. Try "man dhclient" |
| 03:31.33 | macrobat | racecar56: sudo !! |
| 03:31.42 | racecar56 | Dominicus: hmmm |
| 03:31.51 | macrobat | without " " |
| 03:31.52 | racecar56 | Dominicus: that worked |
| 03:31.57 | Wyzard | You generally shouldn't be running dhclient directly anyway, though |
| 03:32.13 | Rusty1 | try sudo dhclient ? |
| 03:32.15 | racecar56 | that fixed my internet :D |
| 03:32.26 | macrobat | one shouldnt? should i run wicd or something? |
| 03:32.46 | Wyzard | Use ifup/ifdown or NetworkManager |
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| 03:32.56 | Wyzard | Those will run dhclient for you as necessary |
| 03:33.01 | macrobat | i refyuse NetworkManager |
| 03:33.07 | caimlas | uh what is the debian ia-32 arch? |
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| 03:33.27 | unreal-dude | itanium procesor i think? |
| 03:33.32 | racecar56 | caimlas: i think itanium |
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| 03:33.49 | racecar56 | caimlas: theres also ia-64 which is itanium 62 |
| 03:33.55 | racecar56 | caimlas: *64 |
| 03:33.58 | caimlas | unreal-dude, thought itanium was 64 bit only |
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| 03:34.07 | caimlas | racecar56, ^ |
| 03:34.15 | Dominicus | Wyzard: I use wpa_supplicant with debian, and my ndiswrapper enabled Linsys pcmcia wireless card. I usually have to give it a kick in the pants with dhclient, just to make it snag an IP, or at least to get one sooner than it normally would. |
| 03:34.25 | Wyzard | caimlas: Debian's "i386" build is the one for IA-32 processors |
| 03:34.29 | Dominicus | Wyzard: But, it is the exception. |
| 03:34.37 | locus | racecar56: thanks that apt-get will probably do what I want |
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| 03:35.01 | caimlas | Wyzard, ah, gotcha. was wondering what that securityfocus classification was about. |
| 03:35.07 | Wyzard | Dominicus: wpa_supplicant just associates with APs, and has nothing to do with getting an IP |
| 03:36.04 | Wyzard | Dominicus: If you're just running wpa_supplicant and then launching dhclient manually, you're ignoring the infrastructure that the OS has for managing network connections |
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| 03:37.29 | Dominicus | Wyzard: No, I give wpa_supplicant a chance to associate, and some time to grab an ip address, but sometimes it just doesn't associate with an AP and stay there. I have in the past, waiting up to 3 minutes, and then had to use dhclient just to make it finish up and give me an ip. |
| 03:37.41 | Wyzard | Dominicus: What I used to do, before NetworkManager was available, was use wpa_supplication together with ifplugd |
| 03:38.03 | Wyzard | Dominicus: When a successful AP association was completed, ifplugd would run "ifup" on the interface, which would set up IPs according to the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces (e.g. running dhclient if it's configured for DHCP, or assigning a static IP or whatever) |
| 03:38.11 | Dominicus | Wyzard: wpa_supplicant is just a cog in the maching. I use ifplugd, and or the other plug type deamon. But, it was never sure fire. |
| 03:38.18 | AljosHa | Hey guys, can someone give me sources.list file?i need one with good stable links |
| 03:38.25 | Wyzard | ok, so you're doing the same thing I used to |
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| 03:39.54 | Dominicus | Wyzard: But, when I even sometimes run dhclient with being right next to the AP, with excellent signal. It still sometimes does a timeout trying to get an ip back from the wap's dhcp server. But, I only use the dhclient when I need to, but things somehow, "magically" have seemed to improve over time. So, it's more a rarity now. |
| 03:39.56 | superlinux | is anyone using apt-axel here? just as curiosity I ask |
| 03:39.59 | Wyzard | That works, but I found it to be pretty rough -- ifplugd makes the machine beep when it brings an interface up/down, but there's no real UI for it, and disabling wireless (because I wanted to use a wired connection and didn't want ifplugd triggering just because there was a signal available) involved stopping wpa_supplicant as root |
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| 03:40.21 | superlinux | !debhelper apt-axel |
| 03:40.29 | superlinux | !apt-axel |
| 03:40.47 | AljosHa | v |
| 03:40.48 | AljosHa | !debhelper |
| 03:40.48 | dpkg | methinks debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 03:40.50 | Wyzard | NetworkManager has proven to be much better -- it runs wpa_supplicant, dhclient, etc. as backends, and it provides real UI for seeing what the current network status is and for choosing what to connect to |
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| 03:41.44 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Nah, I just bring up wpa_gui, tell it to disconnect, or i hit the laptop's wireless button for my iwl3945, or in the cases where the interface is still seen up and still being chosen as the path to route outbound packets too, I just ifdown the wlan. |
| 03:41.47 | superlinux | it's nice, apt-axel. it's a script mixing between axel (download manager ) and apt-get |
| 03:41.56 | Dominicus | Wyzard: It's gotten a lot better. |
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| 03:42.04 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of wpa_gui |
| 03:42.44 | Wyzard | but it seems nicer to me to have the machine automatically get an IP on the wired interface when you plug it in, and switch over the default route to that |
| 03:42.53 | Wyzard | and then switch it back when you unplug |
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| 03:43.16 | superlinux | i am just eager to see debian move the current testing to stable |
| 03:43.56 | caimlas | hmm... hypothetical question. how likely is it to fubar a drive/system by plugging in an unpowered IDE disk while the system is running? |
| 03:44.13 | caimlas | Supaplex, why?! there's nothing wrong with debian 5 |
| 03:44.14 | thiebaude | What is the released schedule for debian? |
| 03:44.14 | caimlas | :P |
| 03:44.20 | Wyzard | (still keeping the wireless interface configured with an IP as long as it's in range, to avoid interrupting connections that are using it and for quickness in switching back if the cable is unplugged) |
| 03:44.28 | caimlas | I've grown tired of the traditional release schedule |
| 03:44.29 | Dominicus | Wyzard: wpa_supplicant comes with wpa_cli for root to use as a management tool, but then there's wpa_gui, which also needs to me invoked as root last I tried (lovely, I know). And, I agree with you that it is nicer, but when I'm intentionally trying to use both the wireless and the wired connection simultaneously. I of course don't want to jerking around where it should be routing stuff too. |
| 03:44.44 | superlinux | well it used to hang my system if i am leaving it run |
| 03:44.52 | superlinux | it's with X11 |
| 03:45.08 | Wyzard | Dominicus: Well, you only have one default route, no matter what configuration mechanism you use |
| 03:45.10 | superlinux | used to hang for nor reason i can go |
| 03:45.29 | Wyzard | Dominicus: NetworkManager's policy seems to be that wired is always preferred when available; I'm not sure whether it's possible to configure that |
| 03:45.54 | Wyzard | but it behaves in a predictable way |
| 03:45.55 | superlinux | used to hang for no reason . i was never be able to see the logs at the freeze time |
| 03:46.22 | superlinux | caimlas, ok? |
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| 03:47.09 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Default route is just that. Default. When, I'm doing something that has me using both of my wireless cards in my laptop, and/or my wired connection, I still like control over what it should use. I've still yet to get my vpn that I setup for school though, to work right when I'm at school. It only works when I'm not on campus. LOL But, that's another headache for another time. |
| 03:47.39 | mac123 | Hi i have debian installed on my server i want to format the 2ndd HDD but it keeps giving me Unable to read /dev/sda can some help me on this are there any disk tool avialabe to format it |
| 03:47.40 | mac123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.48 | caimlas | superlinux, well, you've got to admit that sometimes you want a more stable (that is, static) "core" while want to be able to upgrade the userland (firefox, X, KDE, whatever) as a glob... if you could do that w/o dep issues resulting from the package manager, it'd be nice. |
| 03:48.10 | Wyzard | Dominicus: NetworkManager has some sort of VPN support (i.e. click in a menu to connect/disconnect) with backends for OpenVPN, IPSec, and some Cisco thing... never used it, though, so I can't say how well it works |
| 03:48.11 | caimlas | mac123, are you trying to 'format' it as a superuser? |
| 03:48.22 | Dominicus | Wyzard: And actually, I don't even use network manager. I'm typically working in KDE, or cli. |
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| 03:48.57 | mac123 | yes as root |
| 03:49.00 | Wyzard | Dominicus: NM has a KDE frontend (knetworkmanager) and a CLI one (nm-tool), though the latter seems to only let you view the current state, not change anything |
| 03:49.07 | Dominicus | Wyzard: So, when I need a wired connection, I just plug it in, and it acquires it. And for my wireless I use the wpa_supplicant. |
| 03:49.26 | superlinux | caimlas, i had to use back-ports to go a little ok |
| 03:49.50 | caimlas | superlinux, yeah, I've used backports before. |
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| 03:50.00 | Wyzard | Dominicus: two wireless cards, btw? |
| 03:50.01 | superlinux | and this machine i am chatting currently from, is my webserver too |
| 03:50.36 | superlinux | it's a dual Xeon tower |
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| 03:51.19 | superlinux | the bios has something about Linux |
| 03:51.41 | superlinux | it's my pet. thankfully |
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| 03:52.25 | superlinux | i have 6 days uptime |
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| 03:53.02 | superlinux | guys will you put pressure on my machine? |
| 03:53.14 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Thanks for the update on that. I might have to give that another look. As for right now, I just roasted my Winblows OS, because it stopped letting me play Team Fortress 2 at a reasonable frame rate. So, I installed this last night with softRaid+Encryption+LVM. It was a hoot. And, I got the graphical installer to even pick up the pieces and boot my box up properly the first try. I... |
| 03:53.15 | Dominicus | ...have a iwl3945 (builtin, in my laptop) that does A/B/G, and a Linksys PCMCIA card that works with my WRT54GX4 (the SRX 400 speed and range expansion stuff with mimo) Basically, the excat same thing as N, but 9 months to a year before N was finalized. So, I get 240mbit both ways (only 100mbit at the switch, but it's still pretty sweet). |
| 03:53.36 | Wyzard | ah, ok, cool |
| 03:53.51 | Wyzard | Dominicus: I'm doing dm-crypt+luks+lvm too, btw |
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| 03:56.06 | FFForever | is there a basic cd i can dl for basic stuff (i don't really want to dl 31 cd's) |
| 03:56.34 | dondelelcaro | FFForever: the cds are ordered in terms of popularity |
| 03:56.37 | jpinx-eeepc | FFForever: do a netinstall |
| 03:56.48 | FFForever | where do i get the net install cd? |
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| 03:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | FFForever: debian.org |
| 03:57.12 | FFForever | i need this right?, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 03:57.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !netinstall |
| 03:57.18 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 03:57.26 | Dominicus | Wyzard: NICE =) For me, it turns out, I just had to partition the two drives, flag the right paritions as bootable, and set them all to linux raid autodetect where appropriate, and then I refreshed the graphical installed (I used netinst), and it picked up on my raid setup. Which was suprising, because the graphical installer doesn't let you create raids, but it picked up on it, and let me... |
| 03:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | FFForever: ^^ |
| 03:57.28 | Dominicus | ...configure everything after that. It was so easy. Are you doing raid too? dm-crypt and luks are kind of interchangable in the sense that they get you encrypted filesystems to work with) |
| 03:57.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Dominicus: linux doesn |
| 03:58.02 | jpinx-eeepc | 't pay any attention to boot flags |
| 03:59.03 | Wyzard | Dominicus: You had it easy... when I set mine up back in 2006, I spent several months troubleshooting, trying to figure out the cause of major data corruption that'd happen as soon as I tried to do a significant amount of disk I/O |
| 03:59.07 | bitweiler | hey is gparted apart of debian etch as well? |
| 03:59.15 | Dominicus | jpinx-eeepc: Well, then someone should tell that to the fine folks responsible for the partitioning routines in the netinst's graphical installer, because it partitioned up a /boot for me with the boot flag enabled. So, I just preserved it to prevent any unforseen headaches. |
| 03:59.16 | Wyzard | Dominicus: It turned out to be a kernel bug that was found and fixed shortly before the etch release |
| 03:59.30 | Wyzard | (specific to dm-crypt on software RAID) |
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| 04:00.07 | Wyzard | LUKS is something you use with dm-crypt, btw (not instead of) |
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| 04:01.21 | Wyzard | btw, you don't actually need to set the partition type to "linux raid autodetect"... that's for kernel-based autodetection of arrays, which isn't the normal case |
| 04:01.28 | Wyzard | Plain 0x83 is fine |
| 04:01.39 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Ouch, that had to have been painful. But, yeah, I asked you about your experience with that, because I've barely found any documentation on the net that point to doing softRaid+encryption(Luks)+LVM. Amazingly though, a gentoo document with some nice ascii illustrations made it easier to grasp. And, here I am. |
| 04:02.54 | Wyzard | Dominicus: I set mine up using a pre-release snapshot of the etch installer, but that capability (of the installer) was broken in a later snapshot and remained broken in the final etch release |
| 04:02.57 | Dominicus | Wyzard: luks with dm-crypt well yes. From what little I glanced over, lol, there was the encryption stuff and luks was something that gets used underneath it. So, long as it works and doesn't break my system, I'm happy. |
| 04:03.02 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i'm new to linux and got a quick question and that is: how do i share the printer from virtualbox guest with the host? (debian as host and windows as guest) |
| 04:03.16 | Wyzard | I haven't set up another raid+crypto+lvm system since then, so I don't know whether it was fixed for lenny |
| 04:04.19 | Wyzard | LUKS is an on-disk format that stores metadata about the encrypted volume (cipher, keysize, etc.) in a header so it can be autodetected by cryptsetup later when trying to open the volume |
| 04:04.25 | salahuddin | mimiloon: install samba (for file and printer sharing tool). |
| 04:04.29 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Well, I grabbed a fresh netinst iso just 2 days ago, and it was Debian Lenny 5.0.2. =) So, I think it's safe to say things are working. =) |
| 04:05.09 | mimiloon | salahuddin: thanks |
| 04:05.31 | Wyzard | Once cryptsetup has examined that metadata, gotten your passphrase, and used it to decrypt the key from the LUKS header, it uses that key to set up a dm-crypt device |
| 04:05.42 | Wyzard | so at that point LUKS is no different from non-LUKS |
| 04:05.45 | salahuddin | mimiloon: welcome, check this url http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/425 |
| 04:05.46 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Most informative. =) While I have your attention, you don't happen to know what in the work is up with this new install having a /etc/X11/xorg.conf that is COMPLETELY empty. It baffles me that xorg even started. |
| 04:06.00 | Wyzard | xorg autodetects most things these days |
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| 04:06.27 | Wyzard | I have no xorg.conf at all on my laptop, and on my desktop the only thing I have one for is to make X use the "nvidia" driver rather than the 2D-only "nv" one (since the latter is the default when both are installed) |
| 04:07.43 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Yeah, but when I setup Debian on the laptop about a year ago, it was picky about an xorg.conf. And, I want some pretty visuals, so I wanted to get compiz back in action. Of course it's failing, but all I can point to so far, is the empty xorg.conf. And it's another little documenting item on the net. So, I'm prone to troll her for someone to direct me to the holy grail of answers. =) |
| 04:08.06 | Wyzard | The autodetection stuff is relatively recent |
| 04:08.12 | Wyzard | A year ago you would've needed an xorg.conf |
| 04:09.12 | Wyzard | You said "it's failing" but I don't know what "it" is that you're referring to |
| 04:09.48 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Yeah, I was just about to fetch an nvidia kernel module for my 7800. But, one thing that also bugs me, is that in gnome (what I'm using so far, having gotten far enough to install kde yet)... is the "Screen Resolution" app under System>Preferences... has no values for the screen resolution, or the refresh rate. |
| 04:10.28 | Wyzard | If you want to use nVidia's driver you'll need to put a Device section in your xorg.conf with Driver "nvidia" |
| 04:10.59 | Dominicus | Wyzard: I had install compiz via aptitude, and give it the old "compiz --replace" hoping to see it do something, and it didn't really work. It's giving me a small indiscriminant (vague) error message, if even that. Going to hassle the boys over in the compiz channel for that though. |
| 04:11.01 | Wyzard | Uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-nv might work too |
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| 04:12.31 | Wyzard | Until then, you probably lack the GLX server extension (that's OpenGL support) so I'm not surprised if compiz fails |
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| 04:13.19 | Dominicus | Wyzard: So, do you know if the xorg.conf overrides the autodetection system? And, if I populate xorg.conf, will it completely invalidate the autodetection that is currently going on... i.e. if I put in video stuff but forget to put in a mouse/pointer section, will the autodetection stuff just drop the ball, by honoring the video sections in xorg.conf and not try to give me a mouse section... |
| 04:13.21 | Dominicus | ...via autodetection. (So, many questions with what they changed on this, ugh) |
| 04:13.47 | Wyzard | For video drivers, it'll use what you put in xorg.conf |
| 04:14.19 | Wyzard | For input drivers, it'll ignore xorg.conf by default; it gets information about input devices from HAL instead |
| 04:14.42 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Yeah, I was wondering about the glx stuff. But, I'm getting 500-700 fps for glxgears. So, I should have the glx stuff working then. I just need to find out from what. |
| 04:14.53 | Wyzard | (I run sid and until recently I'd thought that change was made after lenny was released, but a recent experience involving trying to get VMware's mouse driver working in a lenny VM suggests otherwise) |
| 04:15.35 | srn9 | ok will sound a bit noob, and I swear this has to be wrong, but here goes... I recently fresh installed 5.0.2 now it tells me to use auto remove to uninstall basically all of gnome. any ideas. |
| 04:15.52 | Wyzard | glxgears isn't really a good test... it renders such a simple scene that even CPU-based software rendering can probably do it pretty fast |
| 04:16.16 | Wyzard | but FWIW, I get over 1000fps using nVidia's driver with a 7600GS card |
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| 04:16.49 | Dominicus | srn9: Usually, you have to tell it to purge or remove something in order to make other packages broken so much that it wants to back out something as big as gnome. Find out what it's complaining about missing, and install or reinstall it again. |
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| 04:17.31 | Wyzard | srn9: autoremove gets rid of packages that are marked as having been installed just to satisfy dependencies (and not because you specifically want them), and nothing depends on them anymore |
| 04:17.45 | Dominicus | Wyzard: I'll definitely have to get the real nvidia stuff installed, and come back at you with those numbers |
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| 04:18.11 | nouWan | well, how many cost do i get it used cobalt raq550 i386 based 1U server , then raq550 debian install support? i heard about something there be problem installing by cdrom only support network install ,isthat true? |
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| 04:18.17 | srn9 | thats what i thought, I was just feeling a bit leery about all the files involved:P |
| 04:18.20 | Wyzard | srn9: If you want gnome, you should install one of the metapackages (gnome, gnome-desktop-environment, or gnome-core), and apt will keep it installed (because you specifically requested it) and therefore all its dependencies as well |
| 04:18.54 | srn9 | well thats what should be going on now:P |
| 04:19.39 | nouWan | is anyone who running debian on raq550 ? hmm |
| 04:20.39 | srn9 | thnks for the help |
| 04:21.19 | nouWan | i dont know AS from Sun recently supported |
| 04:22.04 | Dominicus | Wyzard: You have any experience with denyhosts? |
| 04:22.20 | Wyzard | none, sorry |
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| 04:26.47 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Ah bummer. Well, just in case. I'm trying to use denyhosts (it gets the ip addresses of people who try to gain access to your system, and it pretty much blocks ssh (or even ALL) traffic from that IP address in the future (for whatever length you set it to). My whole problem though, is that when I ssh to my web hosting provider, then ssh back to my router (which then port forwards the... |
| 04:26.48 | Dominicus | ...traffic into my private network), then intentionally have it ban me, it always bans the public IP address of my router, instead of IP address of the source (in this case, my web hosting provider's linux box). Might you have any idea, if I should be looking at Denyhosts, something with debian, or if that's a Linksys router deal? I know it's a bit of a stretch, but it would be nice to... |
| 04:26.50 | Dominicus | ...access my box remotely without having to worry about it being so expose on the internet. |
| 04:27.09 | jmarsden | nouWan: It is old, but see http://cobaltfaqs.com/index.php/Debian_on_Cobalt |
| 04:27.21 | Wyzard | Dominicus: I just set ssh to allow publickey authentication only, no passwords |
| 04:27.35 | nouWan | jmarsden , hmm old .. yeap thanks :) |
| 04:28.16 | Wyzard | Dominicus: and "PermitRootLogin no", of course |
| 04:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, use fail2ban? |
| 04:30.10 | Dominicus | Wyzard: So, I somehow have to get both my linux boxes to introduce themselves to each other to exchange those keys first? Or is the public key something that I would want tied to a personal gpg private/pulic keypair? I am using that PermitRootLogin no, thankfully. =) And, I also setup AllowUser (where it will only allow login from one user via ssh, and no one else). |
| 04:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, hmm, but that actually sounds as if the reason is the way your router forwards the port... |
| 04:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, what does "w" report that you're coming from? |
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| 04:30.47 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Haven't talked to you in a while. =) No, I haven't tried fail2ban. |
| 04:30.48 | Wyzard | Dominicus: You'd generate a keypair on each machine that you want to log into things *from*, and put the public keys on each machine that you want to log in *to* |
| 04:31.58 | Dominicus | Wyzard: That sounds like the ideal setup, so long as I my laptop never dies while I'm away from the homestead. lol |
| 04:32.01 | Wyzard | Dominicus: As an added bonus, using keys instead of passwords lets you use ssh-agent, which I think is started by default by gdm these days |
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| 04:32.42 | Wyzard | Dominicus: so the first time you ssh somewhere after logging in, it asks you for your passphrase and caches the key in memory, and then you don't need to type the passphrase anymore when using ssh (until you log out and the cached key is forgotten) |
| 04:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, that's perhaps not a bad idea... I'm using passwordless keys to connect my accounts |
| 04:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | which basically means "got one, got them all" |
| 04:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, you don't want to disable password login completely |
| 04:34.27 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't even know that command existed. lol. http://pastebin.com/d2836c973 |
| 04:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "localhost"? |
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| 04:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ssh localhost"? |
| 04:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not the way you tested it... |
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| 04:36.36 | Daemonik | When creating chroot jails for proprietary software, are there any security disadvantages to mounting files with the bind option instead of copying them into the jail? |
| 04:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, you can look at your last logins with "last -i |less" and see from which IPs you came |
| 04:38.04 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d2d523850 Sorry about that, I had left open too many windows from staying up uber late last night. I can run the "W", but what should I be doing? Should, I ssh out to the net, and then ssh back in, and see what the the source is supposed to be? Is that what you were wanting me to do? |
| 04:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, those are just local logins, none from outside - and pastebinning it doesn't do much good because I neither know the IP of your router nor of your outside host anyway :) |
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| 04:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, yes - check where your login from outside seems to come from - I don't think it's a problem with denyhosts, but your router does something weird when forwarding the port... |
| 04:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Daemonik, well, "root" in the chroot would become write access to the real file? |
| 04:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | if with bind you mean a hard link to that file |
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| 04:42.48 | khaije|amalt | i need to get a mfc (printer, scanner, copier) any recommendations for one that would work well with linux? |
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| 04:45.36 | pl4yer0ne | khaije|amalt, HP stuff normally works well |
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| 04:46.07 | khaije|amalt | pl4yer0ne: i've noticed that, do you know of any worthwhile models? |
| 04:46.18 | pl4yer0ne | not these days sorry |
| 04:46.28 | pl4yer0ne | models are all diffferent from when I used to know them =) |
| 04:46.51 | khaije|amalt | part of the reason this is difficult is because i think mfc's generally suck, so finding one that is good that also supports linux gives me a headache |
| 04:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | for the printing part, there's a cups compatibility list |
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| 04:47.28 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, now that you've shown me those two WONDERFUL "w" and "last -i|less" commands. It looks like I probably wasn't purging the old banned ip addresses out of denyhosts. It references like 5+ files in three locations. So, who AND last -i are both showing the correct external ip addresses. Thanks so much for you help with finding out the problem was just with me. *giggles* |
| 04:47.40 | khaije|amalt | CutMeOwnThroat: ya that is well maintained and useful but does it have scanning info? |
| 04:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, scanning is still all done with "sane" under linux? |
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| 04:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't that have a similar list? |
| 04:48.24 | khaije|amalt | CutMeOwnThroat: idk, but i'll check :) |
| 04:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sane |
| 04:48.26 | dpkg | [sane] Scanner Access Now Easy, an <API> for scanner access. Packaged for Debian as 'sane', 'xsane' (GUI frontends) and 'sane-utils' (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there it is :) |
| 04:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so just find one or more that you like and cross-check with those lists, I guess |
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| 04:53.20 | Dominicus | Wyzard: When you setup your softRaid+crypt+lvm. Where did you put your swap partition? I put my swap partition inside the encryption system, just because I'm paranoid enough to not want people snooping through my computer's leftover data that would be sitting openly otherwise. |
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| 04:53.44 | Wyzard | Dominicus: I put it outside, and separately encrypted with a random key |
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| 04:54.23 | Daemonik | Dominicus, That's a good idea. |
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| 04:54.48 | Wyzard | Dominicus: It's actually a raid0 (my four disks are partitioned identically -- each has a big partition that's part of the raid10 with all the data, and a smaller partition that's part of the swap raid0) |
| 04:55.49 | Dominicus | Daemonik: Whatis the good idea? |
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| 04:56.48 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Raid 10, nice. Yeah, since my fakeraid ate my drives. I've been leery of going raid 0+1 again. but I'll take raid 1+0. =) Maybe when I get some larger drives. |
| 04:57.14 | ^Einstein | I'm having a discussion in #bash with some folks about screen and its arguments. What's changed about the behavior of the -R option in the Debian upstream repositories? It seems screen -R 1 2 3 tries to execute 2 without even checking for another instance of screen. |
| 04:57.16 | Wyzard | Dominicus: I had 3-disk raid5, but switched to 4-disk raid10 for performance reasons |
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| 04:58.11 | nsadmin | which raid is best for ramdom access? |
| 04:58.24 | nsadmin | random |
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| 04:58.40 | Wyzard | dm-crypt has I/O performance problems (heavy write activity kills read performance) and raid5 is also relatively slow at writing (compared to other raid levels) |
| 04:59.33 | Wyzard | The two together led to very high latency when writing large files |
| 05:00.02 | Wyzard | whole desktop becoming unresponsive until the writing finished |
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| 05:00.44 | Wyzard | Switching to raid10 didn't solve it completely (dm-crypt still has its poor I/O performance) but it helped |
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| 05:03.53 | Dominicus | Wyzard: With that swap partition, you set that up across your four identically configured drives, but the swap is stripped across them all? |
| 05:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ^Einstein -about changelog |
| 05:04.11 | Dominicus | Wyzard: And it's encrypted with a random key you said? |
| 05:04.31 | ^Einstein | come again, CutMeOwnThroat? |
| 05:05.15 | ^Einstein | I see, thank you. |
| 05:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^Einstein, look it up... dpkg told you where any debian changes are logged |
| 05:05.26 | dub | anyone got a pointer to what might have changed in bind under lenny to break classless rdns delegation recently? |
| 05:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, if upstream made the change, that will only show up as "new upstream version" |
| 05:06.01 | Wyzard | Dominicus: the four partitions make a raid0 array which is encrypted with dm-crypt and a random key, and that's the swapspace |
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| 05:07.02 | Dominicus | Wyzard: I just gotta say, that's AWESOME! Do you have any idea what kind of performance you get out of that 4 way stripe? |
| 05:07.11 | Dominicus | Wyzard: 4way encrypted stripe. that is. |
| 05:07.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^Einstein, also, "/msg dpkg bts" - if it's a debian patch, the reason it was made will probably be a bug report |
| 05:08.19 | Wyzard | Dominicus: Performance doesn't really matter much for swapspace |
| 05:08.46 | Wyzard | Dominicus: You shouldn't hit it often if you have enough RAM, and when you do hit it, you're taking a huge performance hit (compared to RAM) regardless of how fast the disks are |
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| 05:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | not regardless! If they're as fast as RAM... :-P |
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| 05:10.07 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Yeah, that's very true. I was just interested in the data transfer rates one can achieve against a 4 way stripe + encryption. I haven't seen any numbers, other than 47mB/s for my sata 1 drives when they were rebuilding themselves. |
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| 05:13.44 | Wyzard | Dominicus: looks like about 92MB/sec reading |
| 05:13.58 | Wyzard | Dominicus: The raw array (below the crypto layer) gets 145MB/sec |
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| 05:17.34 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 05:17.40 | Jester45 | hi |
| 05:18.00 | johnfg | How do I tell what the ip address is that a vm is using? |
| 05:18.25 | johnfg | I'm running Sun VirtualBox on debian lenny. |
| 05:18.45 | Pryon | johnfg: what OS is running in the VM? |
| 05:19.08 | johnfg | Pryon, fedora 11 |
| 05:19.21 | Pryon | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:19.24 | johnfg | I'm trying to get freeipa to install and see how i like it. |
| 05:19.29 | johnfg | ok, thanks! |
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| 05:24.59 | paragon24 | Anyone know why sound would randomly stop working, after I installed the driver... restarted, and it worked for several days... (for some reason its using onboard again...) |
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| 05:25.44 | Lagaro | paragon24: did you change anything in the interm? |
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| 05:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | paragon24, something uses the sound device and the driver only allows one accessing program? |
| 05:26.43 | cahoot | paragon24: cat /proc/asound/cards - the onboard being card0? |
| 05:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | try fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
| 05:26.46 | paragon24 | I've attempted t check logs, I've only installed 2 packages(NTFS-3g and vim) |
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| 05:27.02 | paragon24 | cutmeownthroat: no, it reverted to onboard sound. |
| 05:27.19 | paragon24 | lagaro: my above message. |
| 05:28.07 | Lagaro | paragon24: as cahoot said, check /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:28.09 | cahoot | paragon24: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ - see 3.15 to make sure *you* decide what card shoud be card0 i e default |
| 05:29.18 | paragon24 | lagaro: my sound card is listed in /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nicktab |
| 05:29.43 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 05:29.51 | lizone | can anyone tell me if I need a proxy program like --let's say Squid-- to browse through an openvpn server, or can be done the way openssh does it through socks protocol? |
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| 05:31.07 | Jester45 | lizone, either way should work |
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| 05:32.00 | lizone | Jester45: can you help me with the second option? I can't get it to work |
| 05:32.37 | lizone | what should be in client or server configuration file to get it to work through socks |
| 05:32.45 | pl4yer0ne | lizone, you should need any sort of proxy to browse through an openvpn connection |
| 05:32.59 | pl4yer0ne | just routes |
| 05:33.28 | lizone | on windows client this is not working |
| 05:33.58 | pl4yer0ne | sorry that should have read you should NOT need anything |
| 05:34.20 | lizone | thank you |
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| 05:34.48 | pl4yer0ne | as long as the routes get created properly |
| 05:34.54 | pl4yer0ne | you should be ok |
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| 05:35.20 | iceroot | if i am using apt-get upgrade, is it possible that i must restart my system? or is this only for upgrades i get with apt-get dist-upgrade? will there be a notification that i have to restart? |
| 05:35.21 | Jester45 | thats if the vpn server is being a router |
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| 05:36.13 | pl4yer0ne | ? well yes |
| 05:36.27 | pl4yer0ne | but there isnt much point having a vpn server that doesnt route to anything else |
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| 05:36.52 | Jester45 | iceroot, it wont tell you need to restart and restart are normally only needed for kernel related things, and manybe filesystems |
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| 05:37.53 | Jester45 | my server has a vpn but doesnt route, i only want to connect to that machine but do it with encrption |
| 05:38.00 | iceroot | Jester45: hm, ok thank you but for e.g. if i am updating apache, debian will restart apache? |
| 05:38.13 | Jester45 | yes it will |
| 05:38.23 | iceroot | Jester45: thx |
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| 05:38.51 | Jester45 | most services will be restarted, but i dont think there is any reason you would have to restart the machine |
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| 05:39.21 | iceroot | Jester45: ubuntu sometimes tells me i have to restart (and there a no kernel or ext3 updates) |
| 05:39.39 | iceroot | so i thought, that debian has the same but isnt telling me |
| 05:39.53 | jdavis | I can't start openoffice.org. It says "The user interface language cannot be determined". It used to work fine. Any ideas? |
| 05:40.23 | Jester45 | well ubuntu lies... probly some X thing like gnome and they dont want to fine what really needs changing |
| 05:40.35 | Jester45 | s/changing/restarting |
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| 05:40.59 | iceroot | Jester45: sounds like an OS from redmond :) |
| 05:42.35 | macrobat | jdavis: OOo comes in different language packs, idk if it has to correspond to the language environment variable |
| 05:43.03 | macrobat | try with different language settings in your DE? |
| 05:43.09 | jdavis | DE? |
| 05:43.16 | macrobat | gnome or kde |
| 05:43.31 | macrobat | or xfce4 |
| 05:43.37 | jdavis | locale returns LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:43.49 | jdavis | macrobat: how do I see what the language for the DE is? |
| 05:44.17 | jdavis | echo $LANG also returns en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:44.22 | macrobat | ok |
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| 05:44.39 | macrobat | what packagr of OOo do you have? |
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| 05:47.00 | jdavis | # dpkg --status openoffice.org: returns Version: 1:3.1.0-5 |
| 05:47.06 | jdavis | does that help? |
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| 05:47.08 | macrobat | openoffice.org-l10n- and some language |
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| 05:48.21 | lukas_ | Hi, I need to make repository from full set of debian cds, could anyone help? I googled, but the result was quite unsatisfactory. |
| 05:48.30 | jdavis | macrobat: if I do an "aptitude search openoffice.org | grep l10n" I get a ton of packages, but they are all either "p" or "v" |
| 05:48.58 | macrobat | ok, jdavis i have no idea |
| 05:49.07 | jdavis | macrobat: if I try to install openoffice.org-l10n-en-us it doesn't do anything. |
| 05:49.12 | jdavis | macrobat: ok, thanks. |
| 05:49.24 | jdavis | do you think it's relatively safe to try purging and reinstalling? |
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| 05:49.34 | lukas_ | jdavis: what do you try? |
| 05:50.47 | jdavis | lukas_: I am trying to run openoffice.org... it worked fine, but now it says "The user interface language cannot be determined". |
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| 05:51.08 | jdavis | lukas_: I assume one of my upgrades broke it. |
| 05:51.34 | lukas_ | jdavis: well, that is easy, go into /var/log/aptitude |
| 05:51.54 | lukas_ | and try to grep all openoffice.org |
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| 05:53.39 | jdavis | lukas_: http://pastebin.com/m4cdd1741 |
| 05:54.28 | lukas_ | jdavis: and which language do youtry to install? |
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| 05:56.37 | jdavis | lukas_: I never installed a language before, but my native language is american english. |
| 05:56.46 | jdavis | lukas_: my system is set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:57.20 | lukas_ | jdavis: that is strange |
| 05:57.23 | lukas_ | :-) |
| 05:57.46 | lukas_ | so you want to get rid of error messages or use american english? |
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| 05:58.55 | jdavis | I downgraded to the last package, and now it works. |
| 05:59.37 | lukas_ | jdavis: fine you won |
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| 06:00.25 | jdavis | ok, well, thanks guys. |
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| 06:00.50 | paragon24 | which dir/file can I set the index option on my soundcard drivers? |
| 06:01.10 | lukas_ | paragon24: ? |
| 06:01.51 | lukas_ | paragon24: sorry, I do not get what you speak about, could tell more? |
| 06:02.24 | paragon24 | lukas_: I'm reading the alsa faq and it states "Make sure that all drivers have the "index" option in /etc/modprobe.conf" I don't have that file though. |
| 06:02.50 | Wyzard | lukas_: Do you have multiple soundcards? |
| 06:02.55 | Wyzard | oops, paragon24 ^^^ |
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| 06:04.17 | paragon24 | Wyzard: I have onboard sound and an creative sound blaster x-fi |
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| 06:06.09 | Wyzard | OK, so the index option would be for setting which is the "primary" card (index 0) |
| 06:06.18 | paragon24 | yeah |
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| 06:06.58 | Wyzard | Take a look at the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ for examples of an options line |
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| 06:07.11 | Wyzard | Then create either /etc/modprobe.conf or something in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 06:07.24 | paragon24 | errm |
| 06:07.39 | Wyzard | with probably two lines, like "options foo index=0" and "options bar index=1" |
| 06:08.03 | Wyzard | (where "foo" and "bar" are the names of the two driver modules) |
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| 06:08.37 | paragon24 | that seems like guesswork |
| 06:08.38 | paragon24 | heh |
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| 06:09.03 | Wyzard | Actually, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards refers to the index options as the "old way" of working with multiple cards |
| 06:09.39 | paragon24 | oh.. |
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| 06:11.04 | Wyzard | Oddly, Debian's alsa-utils package doesn't seem to provide the "asoundconf" program mentioned on that page, but since all asoundconf does is edit your ~/.asoundrc, you could just edit it by hand |
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| 06:12.57 | deadcat | did xorg did some changes recently that changed the keyboard keys? |
| 06:13.29 | Wyzard | yes, it's now using evdev by default rather than the legacy keyboard driver |
| 06:13.36 | deadcat | ah |
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| 06:13.44 | deadcat | all my keys are jacked up. |
| 06:13.47 | Wyzard | Look up "xorg input hotplugging" for more info |
| 06:13.53 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:14.17 | deadcat | Wyzard: i thought it was my apple wireless bluetooth kb thats jacking me up. |
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| 06:15.03 | anilg | I've multiple repositories in my sources.list.. how do I print the packages in one particular repository (say a launchpad ppa repo)? |
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| 06:16.08 | anilg | anyone? |
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| 06:17.09 | deadcat | Wyzard: i am still using kbd driver in xorg.conf |
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| 06:17.41 | Wyzard | deadcat: As I understand it, input devices in xorg.conf are ignored by default now |
| 06:17.54 | deadcat | Wyzard: great )= |
| 06:18.40 | deadcat | seems like editing config files are useless now that everything is handled by either udev or hal or whatever. |
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| 06:18.52 | hark | anilg: "/msg dpkg which repo" or search based on the origin or similar using say aptitude |
| 06:19.00 | Wyzard | If you're using GNOME, open System -> Preferences -> Keyboard and on the Layouts tab, change the model to "Evdev-managed keyboard" |
| 06:19.08 | deadcat | Wyzard: nope |
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| 06:19.41 | hark | openbox? |
| 06:19.53 | nsadmin | closebox? |
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| 06:20.34 | paragon24 | well that "new" method didn't work.. |
| 06:20.51 | hark | "old" method? |
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| 06:21.28 | nsadmin | can I build a package of the new nvidia driver on a 2.6.24? |
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| 06:21.41 | deadcat | openbox |
| 06:22.08 | ``y7 | how can i go about fixing this: Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.us.debian.org:80 ? |
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| 06:22.37 | yik | Don't try to use HTTP port for ftp, ``y7? :) |
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| 06:23.02 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:23.06 | Wyzard | ``y7: Start by determining what the actual problem is -- could be a firewall on your network, or maybe the server is just down |
| 06:23.07 | ``y7 | yik, i'm a debian n00bie. i was just trying to do apt-get install gparted and i got that error msg. i'm assuming i can change port somewhere, but i don't know where...? |
| 06:23.26 | paragon24 | hark: I was sent this http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards#Multiple_devices and told that http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ (section 3.15) is an old method. |
| 06:23.34 | Wyzard | ftp.us.debian.org:80 is OK |
| 06:23.34 | stew | ``y7: does it say which ip address it is trying to connect to? |
| 06:23.44 | ``y7 | 149.20.20.135 |
| 06:23.49 | paragon24 | Now neither sound cards work :S |
| 06:24.02 | yik | oh, it just seems ftp.us.debian.org is slow |
| 06:24.38 | Wyzard | yik: The "ftp" there is just a hostname... the same servers do both HTTP and FTP; http.us.debian.org is a CNAME pointing to ftp.debian.org |
| 06:24.38 | ``y7 | how do i change which mirror is used? |
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| 06:24.52 | stew | ``y7: man sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 06:25.11 | Wyzard | err, to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:25.12 | yik | so I see. I did a quick HEAD ftp.us.debian.org but it seemed to take a long time so.. |
| 06:25.18 | stew | Wyzard: no, ftp.debian.org is a different server which shouldn't be used by people in general |
| 06:25.26 | paragon24 | Wyzard: It didn't work... |
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| 06:26.00 | Wyzard | paragon24: I've never used multiple soundcards with alsa so I can't help much, sorry |
| 06:26.08 | ``y7 | can gparted be installed on debian or is that just an ubuntu app? |
| 06:26.10 | rm | hello |
| 06:26.15 | Wyzard | paragon24: I'd probably just disable the onboard sound in the BIOS so there's effectively only one sound device |
| 06:26.21 | stew | ``y7: it can be installed on debian |
| 06:26.21 | hark | paragon24: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is where you pass the index options |
| 06:26.28 | nsadmin | paragon24: <stew> Wyzard: no, ftp.debian.org is a different server which shouldn't be used by people in general |
| 06:26.33 | Wyzard | paragon24: Though... is the X-fi even supported in Linux? Last I heard, it wasn't, though I haven't really paid much attention to it |
| 06:26.42 | rm | I have some packages from Sid installed (xserver-xorg-*, mesa, etc) and would like to downgrade them back to Squeeze. How do I do that in the proper way? |
| 06:26.49 | hark | paragon24: also, you can try http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 |
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| 06:27.00 | nsadmin | you should use ftp.country.debian.org |
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| 06:27.15 | pipingcats | I'm using an X-Fi card in Debian 5 right now |
| 06:27.18 | nsadmin | or see the mirror list (which ftp.debian.org won't be on) |
| 06:27.19 | paragon24 | ahhh |
| 06:27.21 | pipingcats | It works just fine |
| 06:27.29 | paragon24 | Wyzard: x-fi cards work fine with debian |
| 06:27.34 | Wyzard | good to hear |
| 06:27.37 | stew | public access to ftp.debian.org could go away at some point |
| 06:27.49 | nsadmin | see the mirror list, that's the best way |
| 06:27.57 | pipingcats | You need to install drivers that don't come with the default install, though. |
| 06:28.17 | pipingcats | It's supposed to be open sourced or something, but probably doesn't meet Debian's criteria for free software |
| 06:28.45 | Wyzard | It could still be packaged in non-free though |
| 06:29.04 | pipingcats | It might be, I haven't checked |
| 06:29.21 | paragon24 | hark: I don't even see my module list in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 06:29.40 | pipingcats | http://connect.creativelabs.com/linux/default.aspx |
| 06:29.43 | pipingcats | That's where I got mine |
| 06:29.48 | hark | paragon24: seems you need a newer alsa, moment |
| 06:30.17 | Wyzard | hmm, I wouldn't recommend editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, actually |
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| 06:31.00 | Wyzard | That file is part of a package, so if you edit it, when the package gets upgraded you'll be asked about whether to keep the new version of the config file or keep the current version, and may need to manually merge changes |
| 06:31.29 | Wyzard | I'd create a different file in /etc/modprobe.d instead |
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| 06:33.13 | paragon24 | hmm |
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| 06:34.53 | paragon24_ | sorry, back |
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| 06:35.32 | paragon24_ | so you'd create a file? wouuld that even work... |
| 06:36.18 | omid8bimo | wating for ia32-libs to come to sid |
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| 06:36.29 | omid8bimo | waiting for ia32-libs to come to sid |
| 06:37.23 | stew | judd: versions ia32-libs --release amd64 |
| 06:37.23 | judd | stew: ia32-libs -- |
| 06:37.40 | stew | hrm? |
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| 06:38.09 | stew | judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 06:38.10 | judd | stew: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 sid: 21 |
| 06:38.21 | stew | omid8bimo: it appears to already be in sid |
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| 06:39.06 | omid8bimo | stew: it's like a empty pkg |
| 06:39.39 | stew | omid8bimo: yes, it is supposed to be |
| 06:39.51 | stew | "This is just a dummy package, part one of the transition, that will be replaced once ia32-apt-get is installed. You need to run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade again to get part two. " |
| 06:40.29 | stew | which is somewhat odd |
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| 06:41.21 | mjt | wtf. |
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| 06:42.42 | hark | paragon24_: what does lspci -nn say about the card? |
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| 06:43.54 | paragon24_ | hark: 05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB X-Fi [1102:0005] |
| 06:44.27 | ``y7 | yik, stew, i figured out the cause of why it wasn't working... i changed my internal ip from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.101... i didn't do anything else... do i need to restart my network after i make that change in order to be able to dl from ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 06:44.53 | yik | no, that should not be necessary |
| 06:45.05 | yik | can you ping any external host, ``y7? |
| 06:45.09 | ``y7 | i changed it with: ifconfig 192.168.1.101 |
| 06:45.34 | ``y7 | yik, i haven't tried. i was thinking of just leaving my ip at 192.168.1.3 :| |
| 06:45.51 | bpun | ``y7, no |
| 06:46.02 | ``y7 | bpun, no what? |
| 06:46.19 | mattt | hey all, lost connectivity on my eth0, went in through eth1 and did an 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' but now i can't bring the interface back up 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy' ... any suggestions? |
| 06:46.24 | bpun | ``y7, your lan ip has nothing to do with ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 06:46.47 | ``y7 | bpun, roger that. |
| 06:46.58 | bpun | ``y7, are u using irc on it now? |
| 06:47.06 | ``y7 | negative |
| 06:47.27 | ``y7 | i can ping google.com from it now though. however, it's set to 192.168.1.3 |
| 06:47.36 | bpun | ``y7, if ping <local gateway> works, then try getting dns to work with, nslookup <hostname> |
| 06:48.01 | ``y7 | k, gimme a minute and i'll test |
| 06:48.08 | bpun | ``y7, what country are u in? have u checked the mirrors list? |
| 06:48.15 | ``y7 | usa |
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| 06:50.28 | bpun | ``y7, can u ping ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 06:50.41 | ``y7 | yes |
| 06:51.05 | bpun | ``y7, so run apt-get update, then run apt-get <whatever etc>.. |
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| 06:51.39 | ``y7 | if my router is setup to use opendns.org's name servers and i setup debian's /etc/resolv.conf to have the nameserver of my router... will this effectly provide the same nameservers to the debian machine or do i need to specify the opendns.org ones on the debian machine as well? |
| 06:52.08 | ``y7 | bpun, i have not changed my ip back to 192.168.1.101 yet... i'm still in the process |
| 06:52.21 | bpun | ``y7, are u paying a service to opendns.org ? what's wrong with ur isp's dns nameservers? |
| 06:52.40 | ``y7 | bpun, from what you guys have told me in here, it's not a debian issue if i can't ping ftp.us.debian.org after i change my ip... it'd be a firewall issue as far as i know |
| 06:53.01 | ``y7 | bpun, i was just told that opendns.org's nameservers were the best... they are free... i pay nothing to use them. |
| 06:53.07 | yik | I don't understand why people use opendns :( they do evil things like display ads and redirect google to their own servers! also the privacy policy allows them to sell your information to third parties |
| 06:53.09 | bpun | ``y7, well i have no idea what ur trying to do.. |
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| 06:53.26 | hark | paragon24_: there's this: http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi |
| 06:53.29 | bpun | yik, probably because their dns omits spammer ips.. |
| 06:53.33 | ``y7 | yik, which nameservers would you recommend i use? |
| 06:53.39 | bpun | yik, your isp's.. |
| 06:53.57 | ``y7 | my isp told me to use 4.2.2.2.. not sure if that's theirs or some universal ones |
| 06:53.58 | yik | well as you're in the USA.. if you don't want to use your ISPs, there are Level3 nameservers 4.3.3.2 and such |
| 06:54.08 | yik | yes that's Level3 |
| 06:54.13 | bpun | ``y7, what isp is this? |
| 06:54.15 | ``y7 | so is that a good thing? |
| 06:54.18 | ``y7 | verizon |
| 06:54.21 | yik | pretty much yes |
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| 06:55.01 | yik | ah yes, level3 has nameservers 4.2.2.1 to 4.2.2.4 and they are generally quite fast |
| 06:55.04 | yik | and neutral |
| 06:55.07 | paragon24_ | hark: I know, but my problem is in setting the default device |
| 06:55.10 | ``y7 | i'll switch everything back to that then. back to my original question though... if i setup my router to have 4.2.2.2 as the name server and i setup all of my machines behind it to have a nameserver of my router's ip.... does that pretty much make every machine point to 4.2.2.2 or do they all have to have that 4.2.2.2 added in instead of 192.168.1.1? |
| 06:55.42 | yik | your router's should work, but that's not really specific to Debian or Linux |
| 06:55.59 | ``y7 | so i should still point debian to 4.2.2.2? |
| 06:56.18 | yik | you can try pointing it to your router |
| 06:56.45 | yik | you can test if your routers nameserver works with nslookup or dig. |
| 06:57.08 | yik | nslookup google.com 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:57.23 | yik | if it returns results, then it works |
| 06:57.34 | ``y7 | neat, ty sir ;) |
| 06:57.51 | bpun | ``y7, if ur router box is a dns relay.. it's okay they (ur lan machines) can use 192.168.1.1 ... however in my experience this has been problematic.. (maybe because the dns relay is crappy on my box) |
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| 06:58.22 | hark | paragon24_: oh, so you have the driver already |
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| 06:58.27 | ``y7 | bpun, so you'd recommend i set every machine up to point to 4.2.2.2 just to play it safe? |
| 06:59.13 | yik | ``y7: if you want you can list all level3's nameservers in your resolv.conf |
| 06:59.48 | yik | echo -e "options timeout:3 rotate\nnameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 4.2.2.2\nnameserver 4.2.2.3\nnameserver 4.2.2.4" > /etc/resolv.conf should work |
| 07:00.06 | hark | paragon24_: does alsamixer -c1 show it? |
| 07:00.08 | ``y7 | if cat /etc/issue shows: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l.... how do i go about figuring out if i have 5.02? |
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| 07:00.43 | hark | paragon24_: then just follow the FAQ link above or pass the index option o modprobe |
| 07:00.45 | yik | the version number doesn't matter that much, ``y7 :) if you use apt-get and update frequently you always have the latest version |
| 07:00.45 | bpun | ``y7, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:00.56 | ``y7 | ty bpun |
| 07:00.57 | paragon24_ | hark: yes, it says card: creative X-Fi |
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| 07:01.37 | hark | ``y7: lsb_release -a |
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| 07:07.56 | ``y7 | how do i exit out of the /etc/sudoers file after i entered via visudo? |
| 07:07.59 | ``y7 | exit + save* |
| 07:08.28 | yik | in nano: ctrl-x, in vim: :wq |
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| 07:09.11 | ``y7 | how do i know if i'm in nano or vim? |
| 07:10.09 | Wyzard | ``y7: nano has two rows of hotkeys listed across the bottom, like "^G Get Help" and "^O WriteOut" |
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| 07:10.10 | Wyzard | vim doesn't |
| 07:10.28 | Lns | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.35 | ``y7 | i just typed visudo |
| 07:10.40 | yik | visudo uses the default editor |
| 07:10.58 | Lns | stands corrected |
| 07:11.35 | pipingcats | I've been using Linux for at least 7 years and I've somehow only now discovered the pushd and popd commands |
| 07:11.49 | Lns | I just came back from a concert and saw irc was still open...and thought "I should really see what people are talking about"...for some reason ;) |
| 07:12.01 | nsadmin | pipingcats: believe me there will be more |
| 07:12.02 | yik | pipingcats: did you know about "cd -"? :) |
| 07:12.09 | pipingcats | haha |
| 07:12.14 | pipingcats | cd - ? |
| 07:12.22 | yik | yeah, it goes to the last directory you wre in |
| 07:12.24 | Lns | doesn't know about either one and has been using debian for about 13 years? |
| 07:12.25 | bpun | Lns, hey we checked out your vacation photos a few minutes ago |
| 07:12.36 | pipingcats | Okay, that's a new one too, haha |
| 07:12.44 | yik | so if you are in /a, cd to /b, then type cd - it goes to /a, and if you type it again it goes to /b and so on |
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| 07:12.53 | yik | pretty useful |
| 07:13.06 | Lns | bpun, the ones of me in a thong? |
| 07:13.10 | pipingcats | yeah, I'm going to have to make it a habit |
| 07:13.34 | bpun | Lns, (1) the moon shiners (1) |
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| 07:13.48 | simonrvn | you people should spend more time on the command line ;) |
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| 07:13.53 | Lns | ah, my visit to the butt museum |
| 07:13.58 | Lns | a grand day it was |
| 07:14.01 | bpun | haha |
| 07:14.18 | Lns | claims to be a shell jockey |
| 07:14.30 | yik | simonrvn: do you have any tricks on your sleeve? even if they're shell specific |
| 07:14.54 | simonrvn | ask a question |
| 07:15.02 | Lns | bash: cd: OLDPWD not set |
| 07:15.08 | simonrvn | specific question, that is |
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| 07:15.30 | Lns | pipingcats, ^^^ |
| 07:15.40 | pipingcats | Lns: pwd is present working directory |
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| 07:15.47 | Lns | right |
| 07:15.49 | pipingcats | If you just opened up a terminal, there won't be a previous pwd |
| 07:15.50 | yik | Lns: you need to go somewhere else first! |
| 07:16.00 | Lns | so when i 'cd -....oooooooooh yik |
| 07:16.12 | Lns | noooooooooooice |
| 07:16.18 | pipingcats | Yeah, I know |
| 07:16.28 | yik | simonrvn: pipingcats: this is a useful thread http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/01/1711235 "Eseential UNIX Tricks and Tools" |
| 07:16.29 | Lns | it's like "Back" in nautilus ;) |
| 07:16.37 | pipingcats | And to think I kept a legion of terminal emulators open just so I wouldn't have to keep typing cd ~/workspace/asd/fjakl/src/utils |
| 07:16.45 | pipingcats | then cd ~/ |
| 07:16.53 | Lns | hahahaha totally |
| 07:16.55 | bpun | pipingcats, |
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| 07:17.03 | Lns | anyone like old bbs'es? |
| 07:17.03 | bpun | cd < alone does cd ~ too :) |
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| 07:17.15 | pipingcats | haha |
| 07:17.26 | pipingcats | I probably should read the man page for cd one of these days |
| 07:17.32 | yik | also.. if you use bash ^R opens a search of the history. So if you know sometime in the past you typed some complex command you can search for it with ^R |
| 07:17.43 | yik | (without having to manually grep your history file) |
| 07:17.51 | simonrvn | yik: consider using zsh ;) |
| 07:17.53 | bpun | Lns, bbs ruled the warez trade.. |
| 07:18.03 | Lns | yik, i always had trouble with multiple vttys and 'history' displaying from the right one, or something of the sort.... |
| 07:18.10 | Lns | bpun, you know of syncterm? |
| 07:18.24 | yik | simonrvn: I've heard people recommend that.. but I never really got into iti |
| 07:18.29 | bpun | Lns, was using terminate :) .. syncterm.. hmm probably.. |
| 07:18.42 | pipingcats | this is crazy. I need to log this |
| 07:18.43 | Lns | bpun, syncterm is the best real ansi bbs termemu out there for linux |
| 07:18.57 | bpun | Lns, been more than a decade since i barely heard of it again.. |
| 07:19.01 | Lns | there's no logger for this chan? |
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| 07:19.08 | Lns | haha |
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| 07:19.21 | yik | Lns, btw, you can use "shopt -s histappend" in your .profile if you don't want to lose history if you use multiple terminals |
| 07:19.28 | Lns | syncterm ttb.slyip.com (the renegade bbs maintainer bbs, still active) |
| 07:19.44 | bpun | Lns, there still bbses out there i'm sure.. via telnet over internet.. or other ssh provisions.. |
| 07:19.52 | Lns | mostly telnet |
| 07:19.57 | CcSsNET | they exist |
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| 07:20.09 | Lns | but i'd love to start a general linux system ssh underground network or something |
| 07:20.18 | Lns | likes to dream |
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| 07:20.42 | bpun | Lns, there are things like that.. it's called dcc |
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| 07:20.55 | Lns | dcc isn't encrypted is it? |
| 07:20.57 | simonrvn | i lieke zsh's feature that you sync shell history between multiple instances of it; handy for screen, or multi-logins :). |
| 07:21.12 | simonrvn | like* |
| 07:21.13 | bpun | rather dc++ .. something like that... |
| 07:21.15 | Lns | maybe over an ssh tunnel...but it's kidna different |
| 07:21.19 | pipingcats | cool |
| 07:21.24 | mrtn123 | I have a Debian machine(not set up by me) with soft-RAID1. The output of "fdisk -l" is fallowing: http://pastebin.com/daa4de0e Question is, how is this RAID1 set up? Is it set up between partitions and then there is MBR written using fdisk to both disks? |
| 07:21.54 | simonrvn | mrtn123: mdadm usually |
| 07:22.16 | Lns | mrtn123, same question actually, raid never died so i never had to find out ;) |
| 07:22.37 | Lns | i'd assume it copies the mbr |
| 07:22.47 | Lns | it'd really kind of have to |
| 07:23.13 | Wyzard | Lns: Not if you use partitions (rather than whole disks) as the component devices |
| 07:23.19 | bpun | actually i dont think it copies the mbr, i believe there's a RAID partition type.. |
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| 07:24.05 | Wyzard | You *can* make a RAID of whole disks, but it's not the norm for Linux software RAID |
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| 07:25.05 | yik | well.. unless you use LVM and have some other disk for boot |
| 07:25.09 | Wyzard | bpun: and that partition type isn't generally necessary -- that's for some sort of old kernel-based autodetection of arrays, which I don't think is used much anymore |
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| 07:25.53 | bpun | Wyzard, ah :).. i'm gonna have to learn raid anyways.. definitely in the next few weeks haha |
| 07:26.41 | paragon24 | hmm |
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| 07:27.19 | Wyzard | bpun: Usually arrays are assembled by mdadm, running from an initrd and/or from normal system startup scripts, and plain 0x83 ("Linux") partitions work fine for that |
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| 07:28.28 | mrtn123 | simonrvn: yes, it is set up using mdadm: http://pastebin.com/d54a42be7 However, the question remains, is this RAID1 done between partitions or between disks? How is MBR written(as you can see from fdisk output, the /dev/md0 has no partition table)? |
| 07:28.38 | gimpy | hi everyone, from the debian torrent dvd lists, there is / are 5 dvds and an additional debian-update-5.02-i386... what is that 6th dvd for? it doesn't have the same naming scheme as the previous 5 |
| 07:28.42 | bpun | Wyzard, is it a simple, and i mean from a lazy point of view, as shutting down a system, and raw imaging it to another- as a possible early step in preparing raid ? |
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| 07:28.58 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.09 | OpenTokix | gimpy: the update is all the updates from 5.0.1 |
| 07:29.31 | Wyzard | bpun: The raid driver will sync the data when you create the array |
| 07:29.38 | gimpy | OpenTokix, i take it, if i have the new 5.02 set of 5, i won't need this? |
| 07:29.46 | OpenTokix | no |
| 07:29.57 | Wyzard | bpun: so duplicating the contents of one drive onto another manually is a waste of time |
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| 07:30.08 | gimpy | OpenTokix: tyvm, cheers! |
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| 07:31.11 | ethanol | Good mornin' all |
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| 07:36.38 | bpun | gotta go.. thanks folks :) gnute |
| 07:36.43 | bpun | goodnite :) |
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| 07:51.22 | rd1089 | hi, is it possible to set environment variables at startup/system boot? |
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| 07:53.24 | salahuddin | rd1089: ~/.profile |
| 07:53.54 | rd1089 | salahuddin, would that not require the user to login into the system? |
| 07:53.55 | salahuddin | rd1089: for all user /etc/profile |
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| 07:54.26 | salahuddin | rd1089: yes it requires login for ~/.profile |
| 07:54.43 | rd1089 | salahuddin, what if i require to set regardless of user login |
| 07:55.13 | salahuddin | rd1089: then /etc/profile |
| 07:55.15 | yalu | I'd like some advice on running Debian 5.0 from an NFS root. I have all the pxe booting/nfs server stuff set up, set boot=nfs and the host:/path in initramfs.conf, rebuilt the initrd's, and booted with these parameters: root=/dev/nfs console=/dev/tty1 ip=dhcp. There are no messages after "Booting the kernel." and after a while the kernel panics, but it seems to mount its root FS though (dixunt nfs server logs). |
| 07:55.28 | yalu | what am I still missing...? |
| 07:56.09 | rd1089 | salahuddin, my requirement is i am trying to run a small program written in c which is placed in rd.d directory, this program requires some system variables set |
| 07:56.25 | mattt | anyone know what would cause a network interface to appear as eth0 and then eth2 after a reboot? |
| 07:56.33 | rd1089 | salahuddin, sorry, i meant rc.d |
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| 07:58.36 | yalu | mattt: it not being configured because /etc/network/interfaces will still point to eth0, likely |
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| 07:59.49 | salahuddin | rd1089: #echo $PATH |
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| 08:01.27 | blouf | does anyone know why there's no Release file on the release mirror of debians ? |
| 08:01.30 | ``y7 | in the debian gui, i go to "computer" and then attempt to open an hdd and it tells me that i don't have permission to. how can i access the files on the hdd? |
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| 08:01.47 | blouf | ``y7: use root |
| 08:02.05 | rd1089 | salahuddin, you want me to post output of echo $PATH? |
| 08:02.15 | ``y7 | blouf, how do i login to root? i have to log out of my user and login to root or i can just enter a pw somewhere where i'm already logged in? |
| 08:02.23 | blouf | ``y7: btw change the mounting to have the correct permission |
| 08:02.48 | ``y7 | chmod sda 777 ? |
| 08:02.50 | blouf | ``y7: well, is this hdd the / one ? |
| 08:02.55 | blouf | ``y7: surely not ! |
| 08:02.58 | ``y7 | = |
| 08:03.07 | salahuddin | rd1089: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/functions/execve.html |
| 08:03.10 | ``y7 | blouf, i can't access sda or sdb |
| 08:03.31 | blouf | ``y7: what is ur main drive ? |
| 08:03.42 | ``y7 | sda i guess? |
| 08:03.58 | blouf | i don't know |
| 08:04.06 | nkuttler | ``y7: pastebin the output of mount |
| 08:04.31 | ``y7 | nkuttler, what do i type in a terminal to get you what you're asking for? |
| 08:04.32 | blouf | yea do it |
| 08:04.36 | blouf | mount |
| 08:04.43 | salahuddin | rd1089: There is getenv() function you can get it form there |
| 08:04.59 | salahuddin | rd1089: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdlib/getenv/ check it |
| 08:05.02 | ``y7 | blouf, nkuttler: http://pastebin.ca/1495529 |
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| 08:06.17 | blouf | ``y7: from a terminal can u access / ? |
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| 08:06.36 | ``y7 | yes.... assuming cd / is what you mean |
| 08:06.42 | nkuttler | ``y7: are the disks you can't access usb disks? |
| 08:06.58 | ``y7 | negative, they are internal IDE disks setup on the primary master and primary slave |
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| 08:07.12 | nsadmin | can I build a package of the new nvidia driver on a 2.6.24? the new one that plays well with xen? |
| 08:07.15 | nkuttler | yalu: pastebin "cat /proc/partitions" |
| 08:07.23 | nkuttler | ``y7: ^^ |
| 08:07.44 | rd1089 | salahuddin, getting is not a problem, how to set? |
| 08:07.57 | ``y7 | nkuttler: http://pastebin.ca/1495530 |
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| 08:08.44 | nkuttler | ``y7: your system only knows about one more disk /dev/hdb, do you have more? |
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| 08:09.09 | ``y7 | i have only two disks. but i'd like to access hda and hdb, but mainly hdb right now |
| 08:09.22 | salahuddin | rd1089: normally, we add a new path to PATH variable, setenv PATH=PATH:/new/location . And run this from system() from C. |
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| 08:09.34 | nkuttler | ``y7: well, as root "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/whatever" |
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| 08:09.59 | ``y7 | what's the /whatever part? |
| 08:09.59 | nkuttler | ``y7: for permissions see man mount, man 5 fstab, chmod the mount point etc |
| 08:10.04 | pipingcats | Is there a way I can find out what a debian package has installed from the command line? |
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| 08:10.12 | nkuttler | pipingcats: dpkg -L package |
| 08:10.15 | pipingcats | Sometimes the package name isn't the name of the program |
| 08:10.18 | pipingcats | Thanks |
| 08:10.31 | nkuttler | ``y7: any directory |
| 08:11.17 | ``y7 | nkuttler: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 08:11.29 | mattt | yalu: correct, but prior to reboot i had eth0 and eth1, after reboot eth1 and eth2 |
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| 08:12.10 | mattt | yalu: what would cause eth0 to get reconfigured as eth2? |
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| 08:12.32 | nsadmin | pipingcats: dpkg --help |
| 08:12.33 | nkuttler | ``y7: well, which fs is it? |
| 08:12.40 | yalu | mattt: change of nic, mac address change. you run virtualised? |
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| 08:13.06 | ``y7 | nkuttler: ntfs |
| 08:13.12 | yalu | a prior change and now a kernel update with accompanied initrd rebuild may also be the cause |
| 08:13.14 | nkuttler | !tell ``y7 about ntfsrw |
| 08:13.58 | yalu | you can change it in /etc/udev/rules.d/z-something-persistent-net.rules and then rebuild your initramfs if you use one |
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| 08:15.39 | ``y7 | nkuttler, i read what dpkg said, but i have no idea how to apply it |
| 08:15.51 | mattt | yalu: nope, it's a physical machine ... ok, looks like the MAC address may have changed, wonder why .... |
| 08:16.28 | nkuttler | ``y7: did you /msg dpkg ntfs-3g ? |
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| 08:16.34 | nkuttler | etc |
| 08:16.41 | ``y7 | yes: [WedJul15: 04:13:20] <``y7> ntfs-3g |
| 08:16.44 | yalu | mattt: normally it never does. they are coded i hardware and unique |
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| 08:17.06 | mattt | yalu: ya, odd ... guess this one's on the fritz |
| 08:17.18 | yalu | "on the fritz"? :-) |
| 08:17.20 | nkuttler | ``y7: please be specific which part you don't understand |
| 08:17.38 | ``y7 | i don't understand how i can access that sdb hdd |
| 08:18.13 | nkuttler | ``y7: which part of the bot's message |
| 08:18.19 | blouf | use another distro, ur too newbie for debian |
| 08:18.44 | ``y7 | blouf, i was using ubuntu and the OS kept crashing |
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| 08:19.37 | ``y7 | blouf, where would you recommend that i start? |
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| 08:20.33 | ``y7 | better yet, what purpose does it serve for debian to make the users go through all of this hassle to access an hdd? |
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| 08:21.01 | alsd | hi there |
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| 08:23.12 | simonrvn | ``y7: you're presuming that everyone has to go through this to access hdds |
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| 08:24.26 | alsd | my old laptop here is a bit broken, the up arrow key on the keyboard doesn't work anymore. Anyone knows how to remap the up-arrow key to some other useless key, like, say, the one with a little menu drawn on it, famous for its use in Redmond, WA "operating systems" ? |
| 08:24.28 | ``y7 | simonrvn, what makes my case any different from everybody elses? |
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| 08:25.02 | nkuttler | ``y7: all you have to do is, like, install a package and edit fstab |
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| 08:26.10 | simonrvn | the rigamarole you're putting yourself through, that's what |
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| 08:27.44 | ``y7 | simonrvn, how can i avoid the rigamarole? |
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| 08:30.31 | ``y7 | alsd, not sure if this will help you or not, but it looks close to what you're asking for: http://forum.soft32.com/linux/remap-key-ftopict309283.html |
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| 08:32.38 | amgarching | does "telnet volatile.debian.org 80" work for you? My "aptitude" is getting timeouts. |
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| 08:34.25 | amgarching | it works from a different machine. Sorry. |
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| 08:35.19 | ``y7 | alsd: this goes into more detail: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=17122 |
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| 08:37.19 | amgarching | I constantly have network connectivity problems with two headed machines in debian and ubuntu. Do I need to configure anything other than interfaces? How do you control routing tables in debian? |
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| 08:38.05 | R1ck | amgarching: route add / route del etc |
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| 08:38.30 | amgarching | R1ck: yes, but this will be lost after reboot. |
| 08:39.00 | R1ck | in the interfaces file you can configure gateway |
| 08:39.10 | R1ck | and you can do pre-up post-up commands |
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| 08:41.28 | somiaj | it seems that there is now a new wrapper ia32-apt-get to install ia32 libs on amd64 installs. I like this idea, but I'm having trouble finding documentation that explains how to use it to install a base set of ia32 libs like were in the old package ia32-libs. |
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| 08:42.26 | blouf | ``y7: get ntfs3g and ntfsprogs or smthing like that |
| 08:45.30 | wincide | hi, i have a question.. do someone know something about?? When i launch some proccess , and they finish their task.. sometimes the end code is different but i cannot find out why.. The end codes are like these |
| 08:45.38 | wincide | [1] Done |
| 08:45.46 | wincide | [3]- Done |
| 08:45.52 | wincide | [9]+ Exit 251 |
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| 08:46.32 | wincide | i dont know the differences among the + - or Done & exit... someone can give me an answer ?? |
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| 08:47.58 | yurikoles | how to use amd64 flash in azureus? |
| 08:48.24 | yurikoles | why there is zero in version number? |
| 08:48.37 | yurikoles | debian 5.2 will be fine |
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| 08:53.11 | cantido | Is it possible to use the sysrq features if you don't have a sysrq key? |
| 08:53.26 | mattt | cantido: yep |
| 08:53.39 | mattt | cantido: sec, i'll get you more info |
| 08:53.49 | simonrvn | cantido: alt-"print screen" |
| 08:53.57 | mattt | cantido: http://rackerhacker.com/2009/01/29/linux-emergency-reboot-or-shutdown-with-magic-commands/ |
| 08:54.02 | cantido | simonrvn: don't have it.. |
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| 08:54.20 | simonrvn | ^^^ then :) |
| 08:56.11 | cantido | mmm from the look of it you can control sysrq via proc, but that doesn't help if you have a hung system without a sysrq key, heh |
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| 08:57.13 | cantido | I looked it up and I saw that the sysrq key is some weird legacy bios hack thingy.. so maybe you can't remap that key :/ |
| 08:57.27 | simonrvn | cantido: your shell's echo command |
| 08:57.38 | maligor | mattt, heh, I like the reference to reiserfs |
| 08:57.54 | simonrvn | you could even use /bin/echo (or not) and make a script |
| 08:59.05 | cantido | simonrvn: But what's the best way of making the script run? |
| 08:59.39 | simonrvn | though i'd make it 700/root:root or something, so no one else can exec it other than root |
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| 09:01.28 | cantido | I'm looking into sysrq because sometime when I play video with VLC it makes the whole machine lock, I think it's an issue with memory overlapping the pci address space... but anyhow, at that point the system is totally locked, using sysrq to reboot it would be nice, but I have no key or way to invoke a script :/ |
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| 09:03.00 | simonrvn | when it's locked like that, not much you can do, unless you have some sort of hardware watchdog device |
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| 09:05.05 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 09:05.30 | aprendiz001 | I am using debian lenny and I am configuring nagios3 |
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| 09:05.36 | cantido | wonders if this macbook has a watchdog.. |
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| 09:06.01 | aprendiz001 | I have a problem with chech_http, a problem that I don't have in deban etch and nagios2 and the same settings |
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| 09:06.17 | aprendiz001 | I obtain a critical for time out |
| 09:06.52 | aprendiz001 | I have the problem with an specific address that needs http1.1 |
| 09:06.59 | aprendiz001 | I don't know if anyone can help me |
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| 09:09.20 | mezgani | try to execute check_http manually, to trace the process |
| 09:09.28 | mezgani | please you can try this |
| 09:09.35 | mezgani | `find /usr/lib -iname check_http` -H server -p 80 |
| 09:10.00 | mezgani | replace server by your server and see what the pluging will return |
| 09:10.24 | yurikoles | i wanna build truecrypt |
| 09:10.56 | aprendiz001 | mezgani, I have done, the same result |
| 09:10.59 | yurikoles | oh, i already solved problem |
| 09:11.16 | aprendiz001 | critical, and I have checked with 30 s and 90 s and it doesn't work |
| 09:11.45 | aprendiz001 | but I have other server as I said and it is working with debian etch and nagios2 |
| 09:12.54 | yurikoles | there is no Makefile nor confugure script... |
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| 09:17.01 | Dakylla | hi |
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| 09:17.35 | Dakylla | im running debian etch and come across a rm segfault problem |
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| 09:17.49 | Dakylla | i can't use teh command at all |
| 09:18.22 | MoDaX | Dakylla: memory problems |
| 09:18.26 | MoDaX | likely |
| 09:18.28 | Dakylla | i tried copying an other binary from an other server, but it seems to be overwrite somehow |
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| 09:19.03 | cantido | rm could be corrupt too |
| 09:19.04 | Dakylla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.17 | Dakylla | cantido: i did repalce it by an other one |
| 09:19.44 | Dakylla | but it's like teh new one is beeing overwriten |
| 09:19.47 | harryv | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532689 - as far as I can tell lenny should have ruby 1.8.7-173. but I still have 1.8.7-72 - I have added security updates to soruces.list as well |
| 09:19.47 | cantido | Dakylla: no mesgs in dmesg after the segfault? |
| 09:20.07 | Dakylla | /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin: line 24: 1797 Segmentation fault rm -f /var/lib/initscripts/nologin |
| 09:20.14 | Dakylla | this is an example during boot |
| 09:20.36 | harryv | shouldn't such a thing go through security updates? |
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| 09:21.01 | somiaj | in a recent upgrade sid is now using ia32-apt-get to install 32bit libs on amd64. I'm trying to figure out how to use it to install dev libs so I can complie wine. The old system worked well (the ia32-libs package) and I can convert back to that if needed, but would like to figure out the new method. |
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| 09:21.30 | Dakylla | when changing the binary, everything is ok, when trying to update teh system 'apt-get install -f' for example, the file (binary) get overwritten again |
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| 09:22.18 | gour | hi, one debian-nooby question...server uses lenny which has python-2.4.4 and i need python-2.5. what's the easiest way to install new(er) python under my $HOME? |
| 09:22.40 | cantido | Dakylla: Is the other binary from debian/the same version? |
| 09:22.47 | Dakylla | yes |
| 09:23.02 | joltcan | gour: you could have both installed at the same time |
| 09:23.09 | somiaj | gour: you will have to create a backport. You can either compile a backport package yourself or look for someone else who has done that. |
| 09:23.16 | cantido | gour: if you want to relocate it you need to build it with the new path |
| 09:23.27 | somiaj | gour: oh if python-2.5 is lenny then you don't need to make a backport. |
| 09:24.05 | gour | there is 2.5 available, but i wonder how to use it, i.e. installing under $HOME so i can avoid building from src tarball? |
| 09:24.06 | somiaj | gour: but /msg dpkg simple sid backport I belive is the key phrase |
| 09:25.07 | gour | i'm not familiar with debian...used gentoo and now using arch |
| 09:25.07 | somiaj | gour: just apt-get install python2.5 should work if there are packages in the repostary |
| 09:25.07 | cantido | gour: I don't think you can because sometimes pathes are hardcoded into binaries |
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| 09:25.07 | cantido | somiaj: he wants to install it in his user directory |
| 09:25.07 | gour | ahh...i see |
| 09:25.22 | somiaj | cantido: ahh yea, I thought he just wanted to install it.... |
| 09:25.28 | Dakylla | anyone ? |
| 09:25.36 | gour | somiaj: nope. no root access on the server |
| 09:25.57 | gour | so, build from the source is the way? |
| 09:26.03 | cantido | gour: you could make a chroot for it.. and install just enough packages to get python running |
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| 09:26.37 | gour | cantido: ahh, that's too complicated for my limited shared space ;) |
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| 09:27.22 | somiaj | gour: yea with out root access you won't be able to use the package managment. You could download the binary debs and extract them in your home dir. Not sure on the detials if you need additional libs |
| 09:28.10 | somiaj | but that would get you binarys that will run on your system without having to compile from source. |
| 09:28.26 | gour | somiaj: hmm, let me try that...it looks quicker than building from the source |
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| 09:29.57 | cantido | gour: it's going to be looking for libs in the normal places though, so you may not be able to get it to work |
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| 10:02.37 | agike | After a recent lenny install I found CPU spiking to 100% followed by hangs and/or reboots. Googling, I found ina debian bug list that the solution was to set "AGP Mode" "4" in devices section of xorg.conf .. however in my lenny system /etc/X11/xorg.conf is an empty file. After upgrading a few times CPU seems mre stable, but I still get occasional hangs/reboots. I have an 8oo MHz AMD Duron chip with 1 Gn |
| 10:02.39 | agike | RAM. Any ideas, folks ? |
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| 10:04.24 | cisticola | Hi, I run lenny and kde, wireless works ok with kwifimanager until wpa-psk is set. Then it does not - what do I need to do? |
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| 10:04.49 | bionoid | agike: Run X -configure in a terminal |
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| 10:05.13 | agike | "X -configure" .. |
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| 10:05.33 | agike | Hmm .. ok |
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| 10:06.15 | agike | Fatal server error: |
| 10:06.16 | agike | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 10:06.18 | agike | If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 10:06.20 | agike | and start again. |
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| 10:06.26 | agike | heh .. |
| 10:06.36 | bionoid | oh hm is it Xorg -configure ? |
| 10:07.04 | agike | Sounds better .. |
| 10:07.13 | agike | I'll try it. |
| 10:07.33 | bionoid | agike: That should write the current Xorg config to xorg.conf in cwd (iirc) |
| 10:07.52 | agike | same result .. as root. |
| 10:08.38 | agike | Ah, so ! I will have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:09.00 | bionoid | agike: Ah you have to go to a terminal - ctrl-alt-f1, login as root and then run it (ie not from within X) |
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| 10:09.25 | agike | gotcha |
| 10:09.26 | bionoid | agike: And it writes in current working dir or directly to your homedir, not sure |
| 10:09.35 | bionoid | you have to manually copy it if you want it in /etc/ |
| 10:10.24 | agike | manually copy the whole file ? |
| 10:11.35 | agike | X seems to be humming along quite nicely, bar the hangs/reboots, without /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:11.53 | agike | Xorg --configure ? |
| 10:13.33 | agike | That should be all I need if "AGP Mode" "4" in 'Devices' solves it |
| 10:14.14 | amgarching | is there anything wrong with having two default gateways in routing table on a dual headed box? Is the second ever used? |
| 10:15.32 | raz0 | it'll always use the first one IIRC |
| 10:15.45 | agike | bionoid: I keep getting exactly the same error msgs. |
| 10:16.46 | bionoid | agike: Yeah the point is with an empty file it autodetects stuff -- the -configure should write the detected settings to file. |
| 10:16.59 | bionoid | agike: Perhaps you have to shut down X to do it, though I didn't think so. |
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| 10:22.14 | agike | bionoid: sorry, I was in X terminal mode and missed some of your comments .. something about shutting down X ? |
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| 10:23.12 | bionoid | agike: Yeah, just that, perhaps you have to do that ;-) |
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| 10:24.45 | autoditac | hi. what do you guys think about using a ubuntu hardy kernel for running a debian lenny XEN-VM. Do i have to expect incompatibilities? if so, of what sort? the box is mainly a SOHO samba, mail- and webserver. |
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| 10:25.07 | agike | Effectivey, reboot. Actually, I think this lenny system is a bit more stable than it was last session - I keep updating upgrading, and dist-upgrading --fix-missing .. hoping it wiill progressively resolve .. |
| 10:25.08 | autoditac | ah. the ubuntu hardy kernel is 2.6.24 ... |
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| 10:26.01 | nsadmin | autoditac: you should look at what waldi has in that area (not talking about ubuntu tho) |
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| 10:26.25 | autoditac | nsadmin: waldi? |
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| 10:26.41 | nsadmin | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kern |
| 10:26.48 | nsadmin | el/waldi/xen-extra |
| 10:27.04 | nsadmin | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/waldi/xen-extra |
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| 10:27.12 | nsadmin | there, that;s more usable |
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| 10:27.22 | nsadmin | let's see if it's a broke link |
| 10:27.49 | amgarching | should this silently succeed "mkdir -p A B A/B; mv A/B ." ? Was it always like that? |
| 10:27.54 | autoditac | nsadmin: the link is o.k. |
| 10:28.11 | autoditac | nsadmin: but it's all 2.6.18 ... |
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| 10:28.25 | autoditac | nsadmin: ogh. i am wrong. |
| 10:28.38 | nsadmin | no, looks like he got 2.6.29 there too |
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| 10:29.14 | nsadmin | do you have nvidia graphics |
| 10:29.30 | autoditac | nsadmin: how do these builds differ from the mainline xeb-kernels? |
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| 10:29.39 | nsadmin | (nvidia was previously known to not play nice with xen) |
| 10:29.47 | autoditac | s/xeb/xen |
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| 10:30.04 | nsadmin | I think they're in line to become the next ones |
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| 10:30.20 | autoditac | nsadmin: nvidia is not much of a concern since this is a server box. |
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| 10:30.47 | aprendiz001 | which programa I can use for opening a .gd2 file |
| 10:30.49 | aprendiz001 | ? |
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| 10:31.14 | nsadmin | and the google says? |
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| 10:31.17 | autoditac | nsadmin: i suffer from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526695 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517449 |
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| 10:36.54 | nsadmin | in one case a patched 2.6.28 doesn't exhibit the blocked-task-for-more-than-2-mins thing |
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| 10:37.19 | nsadmin | that kernel had been running about 2 weeks, and the guy says he would have crashed long before |
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| 10:38.56 | autoditac | nsadmin: do you speak about #526695? |
| 10:39.11 | nsadmin | I forget, but I think it was the second link |
| 10:39.49 | nsadmin | probably it woudl be a good thing if you could try one of those kernels |
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| 10:40.48 | nsadmin | at worst, you'll see the problem with stress as in the bug report, and can contribute data to the report... at best, would work fine |
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| 10:46.07 | aprendiz001 | how can I convert from png to gd2, I have used pngtogd2 but it looks like the transparency dissapear |
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| 10:47.06 | farhad_hf | hi |
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| 10:48.06 | autoditac | nsadmin: that's not really an option. we need to use kernels that are in a -security repo, be it debian or ubuntu - it's a production site there. |
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| 10:49.51 | nsadmin | autoditac ok |
| 10:49.54 | autoditac | nsadmin: we already stressed the lenny system running under ubuntu 2.6.24 and it passed. i just was nervous about incompatibilities i might have forgot to think about .. |
| 10:50.10 | farhad_hf | there are about 160 pkgs that i need them , but apt-get says these packages are no longer required and aptitude tries to remove them , how can i solve this problem ? |
| 10:50.23 | farhad_hf | (sorry for my poor English) |
| 10:50.43 | nsadmin | you're ok with mixing debian and ubuntu? or do you run ubuntu also? |
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| 10:51.18 | autoditac | nsadmin: we run a ubuntu LTS dom0 and debian guests |
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| 10:51.45 | nsadmin | what's LTS? |
| 10:51.54 | autoditac | nsadmin: ubuntu 8.04 |
| 10:51.59 | autoditac | nsadmin: hardy |
| 10:52.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:52.13 | autoditac | nsadmin: Long Term Support |
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| 10:52.42 | nsadmin | ahh, so you have a support contract? |
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| 10:53.09 | autoditac | nsadmin: not yet, but might be coming. |
| 10:53.15 | nsadmin | or canonical just says they're going to support for x time? |
| 10:53.50 | autoditac | nsadmin: they are supporting LTS releases for 5 years, yeah. |
| 10:54.11 | autoditac | and you can pay for that, if you like :-) |
| 10:55.03 | nsadmin | I'm just barely at the point where I want to see ubuntu... not quite ready to pay for it |
| 10:55.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. |
| 10:55.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | (they support it on servers for 5 ys) |
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| 10:56.48 | autoditac | at leastubuntu's 2.6.24 doesn't have these issues. |
| 10:57.00 | Shadowcat | what issues? |
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| 10:57.06 | Shadowcat | I know the installer has issues with partitioning |
| 10:57.12 | Shadowcat | at least that's what I've encountered so far |
| 10:57.18 | Shadowcat | can't read an updated partition map :( |
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| 10:58.04 | autoditac | general instabilities and bugs when amd64 and xen come together :-( |
| 10:58.32 | autoditac | i have to go now for dinner, folks. thanks fort the tips! |
| 10:58.35 | Shadowcat | that explains certain things |
| 10:58.42 | Shadowcat | as I'm running the AMD64 build |
| 10:58.44 | Shadowcat | *grumble* |
| 10:58.55 | Shadowcat | I guess I'll have to run off testing or unstable then |
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| 11:00.44 | Zmanu | i have a strange problem, i try to add a printer to cups, samsung ML-1640, i follow linuxprinting doc, but when i call rastersamsungspl on my desktop it works, i scp it to my server, if i try to run it, i get this error "no file or directory", is someone can help me ? |
| 11:00.57 | mjt | Shadowcat: if partition issue is the only one you have, just run installer again with partition map already in place. |
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| 11:05.12 | nsadmin | it's 4:04 AM, do you know where your web pages are?! |
| 11:05.44 | aprendiz001 | how can I convert png to gd2 with transparencys? |
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| 11:06.14 | nsadmin | !test |
| 11:06.15 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 11:06.59 | themill | aprendiz001: you'll do better asking a gd-related mailing list (or irc channel if one exists). |
| 11:07.24 | aprendiz001 | ahh, ok |
| 11:07.29 | aprendiz001 | it is for nagios |
| 11:07.32 | aprendiz001 | thanks |
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| 11:08.30 | themill | aprendiz001: yeah... #debian probably won't know the internal details of gd, however. (All I know about the gd2 file format is that it's an internal format and not intended for widespread use...) |
| 11:08.40 | somiaj | I'm trying to find the package nvidia-glx-dev_185.18.14-1_amd64.deb, I need this one and not the -2 version that is currentlly in sid |
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| 11:09.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | tried snapshot.debian.net? |
| 11:10.04 | somiaj | yes, but it seems I couldn't find any snapshots more recent than 2008/05 |
| 11:10.25 | aprendiz001 | themill, the problem is pngtogd2 doesn't maintain the transparency |
| 11:10.32 | aprendiz001 | so I didn't where I have to ask |
| 11:11.03 | somiaj | Kamping_Kaiser: not sure but when I goto the detials for that (or any other package) on that site I get lots of snapshot packages, but none of them within this year. |
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| 11:12.50 | somiaj | http://snapshot.debian.net/package/nvidia-glx-dev (for example)...great site idea, but not sure why I don't see any recent snapshots |
| 11:13.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | !snapshot |
| 11:13.30 | dpkg | snapshots is probably an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 11:13.33 | empiric | guys i am trying to compile smbk5pwd with openldap on debian etch |
| 11:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. doesnt meantion problems. |
| 11:13.43 | empiric | its giving error |
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| 11:14.31 | somiaj | Kamping_Kaiser: yea, I was surprised I couldn't find it there. |
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| 11:14.48 | alsd | hi there |
| 11:15.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | somiaj: not sure what the best suggestion is - i guess you can try and pull hte version you need out of the maintainers RCS |
| 11:15.46 | somiaj | Kamping_Kaiser: yea, I'm just mad at myself for running an autoclean before I tested everything...:/ |
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| 11:16.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell empiric about doesnt work |
| 11:16.08 | somiaj | was kinda hoping someone here had it floating in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:18.05 | alsd | i'm trying to have a ftp server up and running, with an incoming directory : world writable, gets UID 'nobody', GID 'nobody' upon file creation by anyone that goes, with read-only permission for the world. so i've been trying 'chmod ug+s', resulting in stat(1) saying "Access: (6777/drwsrwsrwx) Uid: (65534/ nobody) Gid: (65534/ nogroup)". However, when I 'touch test' in the directory, it gets user UID. where did I go wrong? |
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| 11:19.30 | alsd | according to the GNU coreutils' info page on file permissions, setuid bit on directory means any created file on the directory inherits the directory's UID, which doesn't happen in practice |
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| 11:20.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | alsd: probably because the dir file creastion is handled by the ftpd |
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| 11:20.50 | alsd | Kamping_Kaiser: no, i'm only in shell for now |
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| 11:22.17 | empiric | Kamping_Kaiser http://pastebin.com/m5bff177d |
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| 11:29.49 | JyZyXEL | what could possibly cause a laggy console in LAN environment? |
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| 11:30.18 | JyZyXEL | like SSH connection |
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| 11:30.55 | R1ck | network congestion |
| 11:31.03 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: or high load |
| 11:31.58 | mrx3000 | lower qos |
| 11:32.08 | JyZyXEL | there is no network load |
| 11:32.21 | JyZyXEL | and i don't see any high loads in htop |
| 11:32.46 | JyZyXEL | yet every few second there is a lag spike |
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| 11:33.30 | Shadowcat | I'd say there's a spike somewhere |
| 11:33.34 | Shadowcat | maybe a faulty cable or port? |
| 11:33.41 | Shadowcat | or a switch somewhere that's giving out? |
| 11:33.46 | R1ck | JyZyXEL: check hardware, cabling, hubs, switches, etc |
| 11:34.03 | mrtn1231 | I have a Debian machine(not set up by me) with soft-RAID1. The output of "fdisk -l" is fallowing: http://pastebin.com/daa4de0e Output of "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" is fallowing --> http://pastebin.com/d54a42be7 Question is, how is this RAID1 set up? Is it set up between partitions and then there is MBR written using fdisk to both disks? |
| 11:34.04 | JyZyXEL | don't you think that would be a little more boolean |
| 11:34.08 | JyZyXEL | if a cable was lose |
| 11:34.10 | Shadowcat | and the monkey that's using the patch cables as a swing inside the routing center |
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| 11:34.12 | JyZyXEL | it wouldn't work at all |
| 11:34.20 | Shadowcat | JyZyXEL: it can be half in |
| 11:34.24 | Shadowcat | which means horrible data loss |
| 11:34.35 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 11:34.54 | JyZyXEL | well imma reboot all networking equipment, check the cables and reboot |
| 11:35.10 | d_b | I just installed snes9x-x but it's not showing up in the Games menu, how can I start the emulator? I tried creating a launcher with the command "/usr/bin/snes9x" but that didn't do anything |
| 11:35.13 | Shadowcat | or the cable can be damaged along the way, by rats |
| 11:35.21 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 11:35.22 | Shadowcat | or water damage, etc |
| 11:35.32 | Shadowcat | that wouldn't cut the connection but it'd sure as hell reduce output |
| 11:35.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | d_b: is it in the debian menu? |
| 11:35.45 | d_b | Kamping_Kaiser: nope |
| 11:35.53 | R1ck | mrtn1231: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines your array |
| 11:36.09 | Shadowcat | if you've had constuction work done I'd check if the worker bees have left all cables intact |
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| 11:36.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | d_b: if its a gui app perhaps a bug is in order, if its a cli launcher perhaps it doesnt need one |
| 11:36.27 | R1ck | mrtn1231: and indeed mbr's are usually written to both disks to enable booting from them, by grub (or grub-install) or lilo |
| 11:37.07 | neo8848 | hi guys, just one question to cap off my day : is firefox included in the debian dvd iso's (the firefox, not iceweasel) ? |
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| 11:37.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | neo8848: no |
| 11:37.38 | d_b | Kamping_Kaiser: I just remembered there was a Debian section in the menu, I didn't have it show up in mine so I thought you meant the whole menu was "debian menu" I now chose to show it, thanks. Will look through it and see if I find snes9x there |
| 11:38.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | d_b: I dont see a .menu or a .deskop file in the package fwiw |
| 11:38.23 | neo8848 | @Kamping_Kaiser: sad... it forces me to ask one more question : does firebug work well with iceweasel? |
| 11:38.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | that i have NFI sorry |
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| 11:40.07 | mrtn1231 | R1ck: ok, I see. /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is here --> http://pastebin.com/d2906969a So you think this RAID1 mirror is set up the fallowing way: 1) made RAID1 mirror /dev/md0 of two blank HDD's 2) created partitions on this md0 3) created filesystem on partitions 4) created MBR on both disks ? |
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| 11:40.47 | JyZyXEL | oh ok i think the hard disk is broken :p |
| 11:41.00 | JyZyXEL | the transfer speeds seem to be under 500 K/s :D |
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| 11:42.54 | mrtn1231 | neo8848: I think it does. I mean the only difference between iceweasel and firefox is as far as I know the logo and name |
| 11:43.30 | d_b | Kamping_Kaiser: no you're right, it's not there |
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| 11:46.47 | d_b | Hmm, something just happened to my keyboard, I can't hold a key, it just sends one signal. So If I want to write "booooo" I need to press the o key several times. |
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| 11:47.44 | pipingcats | d_b: Have you checked keyboard preferences? You want to look at the Delay and Speed of repeat keys |
| 11:47.46 | JyZyXEL | so im guessing a broken HD would make system lag? :D |
| 11:47.55 | d_b | Sorry, never mind. I fixed it by unchecking the option in keyboard preferences and checking it again. |
| 11:48.06 | JyZyXEL | fucking hard drives |
| 11:48.13 | JyZyXEL | had 3 failures this month already |
| 11:48.15 | d_b | pipingcats: it was checked, but stopped working for some reason :) |
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| 11:48.55 | d_b | JyZyXEL: all from the same store? could be that they got a bad batch or someone knocked the package over when transporting it |
| 11:49.11 | JyZyXEL | no totally different drives |
| 11:49.31 | pipingcats | What kind of failures have you been getting? |
| 11:49.45 | g00se | wonders when SSDs are going to be good/cheap enough |
| 11:49.55 | JyZyXEL | well this one is not doing any I/O errors but its SLOW |
| 11:50.19 | JyZyXEL | (it overheated very badly once) |
| 11:51.24 | JyZyXEL | i had a 500 GB samsung that got very slow and lots of I/O errors started appearing |
| 11:51.47 | JyZyXEL | had a 1 TB samsung with faulty firmware |
| 11:51.47 | nielsle | I would like to list all installed packages for which my configuration file deviates from the maintainers configuration file. Is there an easy way to do this? |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: all in the same machine? |
| 11:51.54 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: naw |
| 11:51.58 | JyZyXEL | its just bad luck |
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| 11:52.50 | pipingcats | huh |
| 11:52.58 | JyZyXEL | atleast i haven't had any dataloss yet |
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| 11:59.04 | neo8848 | mrtn1231: got desperate for a while, i'll just have to test, i suppose... thanks |
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| 12:07.41 | edoreld | Is there any package that can get a sound file (.wav), like for example a voice mail from Asterisk, and translate it as best as it can to text? |
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| 12:12.01 | g00se | edoreld: That would be essentially voice recognition ..? |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | edoreld: i think those are mostly commercial .. there is festival for text to speech .. maybe it can go backwards too ? |
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| 12:12.38 | burn_ | why the debian have 5 dvd as install? |
| 12:12.40 | edoreld | g00se: yes, :) |
| 12:12.46 | edoreld | abrotman: I'l check it out ^_^ |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | burn_: if you have broadband, you can just use the netinst |
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| 12:13.42 | burn_ | so 5 dvd have all programs and diferent graphic enviroments right? |
| 12:13.44 | edoreld | abrotman: doesn't seem it goes backwards ^^ |
| 12:13.51 | abrotman | edoreld: though ISTR some java thingie to do taht, no clue on the name though |
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| 12:14.06 | edoreld | abrotman: if u remember, please let me know ;) |
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| 12:14.31 | abrotman | edoreld: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/#what_is_sphinx4 .. maybe ? |
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| 12:14.42 | abrotman | edoreld: i've never used it .. and i'm really not sure 100% what it does |
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| 12:14.54 | mcgreg | hmm anyonecould give me a tip about a good laptop with amd cpu working well with linux? :) |
| 12:14.55 | abrotman | edoreld: it might be just like festival |
| 12:14.59 | edoreld | O_o |
| 12:15.04 | edoreld | I'll take a look nonetheless :) |
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| 12:15.08 | edoreld | Thanks ! |
| 12:15.31 | g00se | edoreld: Maybe sphinx2-hmm-6k ..? |
| 12:16.01 | abrotman | edoreld: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/doc/Sphinx4-faq.html#decode_wav |
| 12:16.01 | abrotman | edoreld: like that? |
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| 12:16.15 | edoreld | \\(^_^)// !!!!! |
| 12:16.21 | edoreld | would seem so ^_^ |
| 12:16.21 | abrotman | OMGCATZ! |
| 12:16.22 | mischief | mcgreg, newegg has a lot of laptops >_> |
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| 12:20.25 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I restart internet superserver (inetd) ? |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restat |
| 12:21.02 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 12:21.15 | lord_rob | ok thanks abrotman |
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| 12:22.43 | lord_rob | I was trying inetd not openbsd- ... |
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| 12:23.18 | grand_gr1nt | Where can I find the sources of a Debian package? I'm trying to patch a package (quick), but the patch doesn't applies to the sources I found |
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| 12:23.41 | abrotman | lord_rob: ls /etc/init.d/*inet* |
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| 12:25.32 | themill | dpkg: tell grand_gr1nt about source |
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| 12:29.31 | anderson | hey everyone |
| 12:29.36 | anderson | big problem |
| 12:29.40 | grand_gr1nt | themill: What is special is that, I need sources of a package for PPC on a amd64. |
| 12:29.42 | anderson | need fast solution |
| 12:29.53 | abrotman | how big? |
| 12:30.00 | grul | how fast? |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | grand_gr1nt: source should be the same |
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| 12:30.46 | anderson | i have an encrypted debian install on a lvm flashdrive, my internal hdd is taking sda and i cant boot from it |
| 12:30.49 | anderson | help? |
| 12:31.39 | anderson | cant boot from flashdrive that is |
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| 12:32.25 | grand_gr1nt | abrotman: Ho yes, right. I didn't believe it could work (the package is available only for PPC). Thanks! :) |
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| 12:34.40 | seniorake | does debian or in general, linux, impelemt the pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np() function ? |
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| 12:39.01 | lord_rob | seniorake: maybe ask on ##linux and on a dev channel like ##c ? |
| 12:39.36 | seniorake | thank you |
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| 12:40.36 | lord_rob | np |
| 12:41.06 | arussel | I am trying backup-manager but get an error when trying to set: export BM_PIPE_COMMAND[0] => bash: export: `BM_PIPE_COMMAND[0]': not a valid identifier |
| 12:41.31 | arussel | am i using the wrong shell ? or the wrong something else ? |
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| 12:42.06 | g00se | edoreld: Would love to know how you get on. Am beginning to look at voice recognition myself |
| 12:42.31 | anderson | ok, can anyone help me? |
| 12:42.46 | edoreld | g00se: same here ;) |
| 12:43.00 | edoreld | (About knowing how it goes for you :)) |
| 12:43.13 | cantido | anderson: you haven't said why you can't boot,.. like grub doesn't load, or it blows up while booting.. |
| 12:43.23 | anderson | i have an encrypted debian install on a lvm flashdrive, my internal hdd is taking sda and i cant seem to decrypt the drive, because it seems to be running from sdb.... any ideas? |
| 12:43.34 | g00se | edoreld: Just about to try the Sphinx4 Web Start app |
| 12:44.48 | anderson | anyone? |
| 12:44.51 | cantido | anderson: the drive decoming sdb shouldn't matter, if your drive is encrypted/LVM the root passed to the kernel will be a devmapper device |
| 12:45.01 | cantido | anderson: s/decoming/becoming/ |
| 12:45.05 | anderson | mmm |
| 12:45.25 | anderson | i'll see if i can hot down the error |
| 12:45.31 | anderson | s/hot/jot |
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| 12:45.54 | anderson | bah the lappy is running out |
| 12:45.55 | cantido | unless, the lvm is inside the encrypted device.. |
| 12:46.05 | sylarr | hello |
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| 12:46.26 | sylarr | My usb auto mounting in gnome's nautilus stopped working |
| 12:46.29 | anderson | ah hum the lvm is the wrapper for the encrypted root |
| 12:46.33 | sylarr | I have to mount via command line |
| 12:46.48 | sylarr | They also don't show on nautilus 'computer' view |
| 12:46.57 | sylarr | Does anyone know that problem? |
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| 12:47.33 | cantido | anderson: so the device getting unlocked is an lvm volume? so as long as the lvm is found, the block device the flash disk is attached to shouldn't matter :) |
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| 12:49.12 | anderson | hummm |
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| 12:50.26 | anderson | well thanks cantido\ |
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| 12:50.46 | anderson | my lappy batt is dead, and i dun have a powerconverter on me atm, left it at the flat |
| 12:50.48 | anderson | bah |
| 12:50.59 | anderson | i'll attempt to get back on later |
| 12:51.03 | anderson | thanks for your help |
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| 13:01.39 | giaco | hello |
| 13:02.08 | giaco | how can I launch apt-get --reinstall install packagename reinstalling all the dependencies, too? |
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| 13:07.09 | grand_gr1nt | What is the good tool to cross compile a package from sources? dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg-cross ? |
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| 13:07.34 | azeem_ | grand_gr1nt: why do you want to cross-compile? |
| 13:07.36 | azeem_ | and what? |
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| 13:07.55 | giaco | cross compile for? |
| 13:07.59 | grand_gr1nt | azeem_: I want to install Debian on a PowerPC. |
| 13:08.13 | azeem_ | grand_gr1nt: so? |
| 13:08.17 | grand_gr1nt | I first tried to create a HD image using qemu and the netinstall cd |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | grand_gr1nt: did you get the PPC installer? |
| 13:08.38 | grand_gr1nt | but there is a bug in quik (bootloader for powerpc) that makes in uncompatible with qemu |
| 13:08.58 | abrotman | isn't that yaboot ? |
| 13:09.04 | grand_gr1nt | Yes, I took the ppc installer, it works fine until it halts on quik install |
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| 13:10.01 | abrotman | did you try any of the bazillion qemu options ? |
| 13:10.04 | grand_gr1nt | abrotman: The powerpc netinstall tries to install quik, that's all I know. It doesn't mention yaboot |
| 13:10.26 | azeem_ | grand_gr1nt: what does installing a boot loader have to do with cross-compilation? |
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| 13:11.12 | grand_gr1nt | azeem_: Because the quik bug #513182 has a patch. So I downloaded quik sources. worked. patched then. worked. |
| 13:11.44 | richardcavell | Any xmodmap experts here? |
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| 13:11.49 | grand_gr1nt | Now I try to compile, from a amd64, to a powerpc, the quik patched, so as to integrate it in the netinstall (yes, I'll have to re-build the netinstaller) |
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| 13:13.17 | giaco | how can I launch apt-get --reinstall install packagename reinstalling all the dependencies, too? |
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| 13:13.43 | azeem_ | grand_gr1nt: try installing etch maybe |
| 13:13.50 | azeem_ | and upgrade to lenny from there |
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| 13:14.15 | g00se | giaco: They'll be installed anyway if necessary |
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| 13:15.02 | giaco | g00se, the problem is that one or more files of one dependency package has been manually deleted, but apt don't know it |
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| 13:15.29 | giaco | I need to tell apt to reinstall the whole package tree under a certain package |
| 13:15.48 | ranix | why not simply reinstall the dependency package |
| 13:16.25 | ranix | or do you not know which dependency was fubared |
| 13:16.43 | giaco | ranix, because I don't know how many files have been deleted, but I know that all them are under a bigger meta package |
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| 13:17.28 | g00se | giaco: This is one reason to use aptitude ;-) |
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| 13:17.58 | g00se | giaco: Why would it matter that you don't know how many files have been deleted? |
| 13:18.05 | giaco | g00se, how can I do that? |
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| 13:18.29 | giaco | g00se, because I don't know if all those files belongs to a single package or are from different packages |
| 13:18.29 | burn_ | debain uses apt or new kpackagekit? |
| 13:18.31 | grand_gr1nt | azeem_: I've never installed from "complete" debian CD (allways netinstall), does the "CD 1" gives the same choice than netinstaller (meaning that, doesn't automaticly install a desktop)? |
| 13:18.49 | azeem_ | grand_gr1nt: I think so |
| 13:19.27 | burn_ | debain uses apt or new kpackagekit? |
| 13:20.37 | grand_gr1nt | Quite sad no to have really solved the issue.. :D |
| 13:20.40 | azeem_ | burn_: debian uses apt |
| 13:20.50 | burn_ | thnx |
| 13:20.54 | azeem_ | kpackagekit would use apt on Debian as well |
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| 13:21.41 | burn_ | every linux moved from their installers to packagekit, haven found why debian stays on apt |
| 13:21.45 | g00se | giaco: I don't use apt-get, so can't advise really, other than give fairly long-winded ways, where there are probably faster method |
| 13:21.50 | burn_ | i didnt says apt is bad, apt i good :D |
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| 13:23.20 | clusty | hey |
| 13:23.48 | abrotman | burn_: packagekit is a frontend .. not a package manager AFAIK |
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| 13:24.23 | clusty | got a small question: I am running a GUI task which takes considerable amount of time and every now and then I am loosing the connection to the machine and the task dies |
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| 13:24.41 | clusty | if it were a CLI i would use a screen |
| 13:25.38 | burn_ | abrotman: ouu yes i totaly missunderstand thoose word, since english is not my prim lang :D |
| 13:25.38 | clusty | is there a similar way how I could deal with X processes? |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | clusty: vnc |
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| 13:25.56 | clusty | abrotman, vnc would use the host's X? |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | yes .. is that bad? |
| 13:26.56 | abrotman | !vnc |
| 13:26.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 13:27.57 | Black_Phantom | Hello, please its very urgent, I need to open .dwg file instantly please help me, I downloaded Qcad but it only open .dxf |
| 13:28.46 | mjt | urgent and instantly does not fit together |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: i'm not actually sure you can .. that's autocad ? |
| 13:29.16 | Black_Phantom | yes it abrotman |
| 13:29.22 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=open+dwg+linux&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1 |
| 13:29.39 | ranix | I got hits on "dwg file linux" |
| 13:29.42 | mjt | the best is probably to use windows (or wine) |
| 13:29.45 | ranix | some ubuntu kids have done it |
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| 13:30.22 | Black_Phantom | I found Lx-viewer, but it I couldnt know how to compile it |
| 13:30.22 | ranix | mjt: the best way is *never* to use wine |
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| 13:30.55 | mjt | wine works for simple tasks and is handy sometimes |
| 13:30.58 | cantido | ranix: wine has it's place.. |
| 13:31.03 | mjt | don't see why don't use it |
| 13:31.10 | Black_Phantom | in the readme file it told me to type some command, but when I did, it said the command doesnt exist |
| 13:31.30 | mjt | who told? which command? |
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| 13:31.39 | ranix | cantido: yeah, in the garbage bin alongside ndiswrapper |
| 13:31.54 | Black_Phantom | mjt, in the README file, of the LX viewer software, which is to open .dwg |
| 13:32.07 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: so you'll have to compile it |
| 13:32.07 | Black_Phantom | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.21 | mjt | that's qt thing |
| 13:32.23 | ranix | and any other applications people spend hundreds of thousands of man-hours on ensuring commercial software developers will continue to be lazy dbags |
| 13:32.34 | mjt | you have to install qt development environment |
| 13:32.49 | Black_Phantom | what is the package name ? |
| 13:32.56 | cantido | ranix: that's a bit apples and oranges isn't it? emulating API's to make drivers work is a little bit different to emualting an API to make apps work.. wine also has a porting library |
| 13:33.13 | Black_Phantom | qt-dev |
| 13:33.13 | mjt | qt4-qmake for one |
| 13:33.13 | Black_Phantom | ? |
| 13:33.18 | mjt | qt-dev too |
| 13:34.14 | ranix | cantido: wine never works 100%, yet developers continue to say "Oh, our program works in Linux - it runs under WINE" |
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| 13:34.14 | mjt | hm. actually i don't know where's the qt-dev package |
| 13:34.16 | ranix | cantido: similarly to how chipset developers fail to release real linux drivers because "Oh, our drivers work under ndiswrapper" |
| 13:34.35 | ranix | neither of which will ever be a 100% solution |
| 13:34.38 | Black_Phantom | QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced. |
| 13:34.38 | Black_Phantom | Error processing project file: lxv.pro |
| 13:34.40 | cantido | ranix: um, I have a feeling it's more a case of "it's not profitable to support linux" |
| 13:34.53 | clusty | abrotman, i will give it a shot. I thought that the behaviour is exactly the same as ssh with X forwarding. thanks |
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| 13:36.28 | ranix | cantido: there is a large portion of the userbase who, rather than looking for a wireless chipset with Linux drivers, will simply go to the store and pick one randomly. Then use ndiswrapper as per some ubuntu howto |
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| 13:36.54 | ranix | cantido: I suggest ndiswrapper makes it MORE unprofitable to release linux drivers than it would otherwise be |
| 13:37.01 | cantido | wonders if we've gone 5 years back in time or something |
| 13:37.03 | mjt | s/randomly/cheapest/ |
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| 13:44.05 | cantido | mjt: ironically the cheapy cheapy ralink cards had working drivers with inject and all that stuff pretty quickly. heh |
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| 13:48.51 | Dunge | I'm trying to recompile the linux kernel in EABI mode from provided sources, I get to a point where it say "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: not found" . This is the Cross-compiler. I found out that I could add emdebian.org to apt-get list and get it if I were on a Debian box, but what if I'm on Ubuntu?? |
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| 13:49.39 | Shadowcat | got a question for the LVM expert/users |
| 13:49.40 | g00se | edoreld: I've a problem getting jsapi.jar. It's looking for uudecode (rather old) and i don't have it |
| 13:49.44 | richardcavell | Can I run usermod on a logged in user to change the uid? |
| 13:49.49 | Shadowcat | would you guys recommend deploying LVM on a regular home server? |
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| 13:49.58 | R1ck | Shadowcat: sure |
| 13:50.00 | Shadowcat | or should I just stick with the normal simple partitioning system |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | Shadowcat: don't you think that depends on what the system will do? |
| 13:50.11 | Cymor | Shadowcat: Yes. LVM2 |
| 13:50.19 | Shadowcat | R1ck: even without an underlying RAID infrastructure? |
| 13:50.30 | R1ck | Shadowcat: sure |
| 13:50.30 | Shadowcat | abrotman: it's gonna be a big file dump |
| 13:50.34 | g00se | discovers it's in sharutils |
| 13:50.55 | abrotman | Shadowcat: 1TB drives? |
| 13:50.58 | Shadowcat | basically it's gonna house all the media files I've collected over the years |
| 13:50.59 | R1ck | it gives you more flexibility in resizing/adding/removing disks etc |
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| 13:51.11 | Shadowcat | abrotman: eventually I plan on having 5 1tb drives in there |
| 13:51.21 | mjt | also snapshots |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 13:51.36 | Shadowcat | also, as I understand it, I can remove say /dev/sdb |
| 13:51.42 | abrotman | might just do a 10GB / and a 990GB /stuff |
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| 13:51.45 | Cymor | Shadowcat: LVM will let you grow it as needed, and allow you to do a kind of RAID0 |
| 13:51.57 | Shadowcat | and LVM will still find the Physical Extent after the devices renumber themselves |
| 13:52.00 | Shadowcat | am I correct? |
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| 13:53.35 | clusty | abrotman, i installed vnc4server, started the local instance on the host |
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| 13:53.48 | Shadowcat | the intial setup is 1x1tb, 2x200gb, 1x500gb, 1x300gb |
| 13:53.54 | firespeaker | what happened to grip? |
| 13:54.01 | Shadowcat | the 2x200gb are IDE, rest is SATA |
| 13:54.19 | abrotman | !tell firespeaker about grip |
| 13:54.21 | Shadowcat | so to begin with I'll have /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, /dev/hda, /dev/hdb |
| 13:54.48 | Shadowcat | eventually I plan on making /dev/sd[b-d] 1tb SATA drives as well |
| 13:54.57 | firespeaker | abrotman: thanks, but :( |
| 13:55.02 | clusty | abrotman, now since the machine is behind a firewall, I tunneled port 5900 through SSH. when I try to connect using realVNC (from windows) to localhost, I am getting an immediate message that the connection died |
| 13:55.05 | mjt | has no /dev/hd* for a long time, be it ide or not... |
| 13:55.06 | abrotman | firespeaker: what do you want me to do ? |
| 13:55.17 | clusty | clues? |
| 13:55.18 | Shadowcat | and have all my media files in big partition called /srv/ftp |
| 13:55.19 | abrotman | clusty: is your router cutting connections after five minutes or so ? |
| 13:55.22 | justin | clusty: you tunneled it wrong |
| 13:55.27 | Shadowcat | mjt: yes, but I don't run LVM yet :P |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | besides that :) |
| 13:55.45 | mjt | Shadowcat: i don't run it either |
| 13:55.45 | clusty | abrotman, not really |
| 13:55.48 | Shadowcat | but I could, as the motherboard supports hardware raid 0, 1, 0+1 etc |
| 13:55.55 | clusty | justin, whats the RIGHT way of doing it? :D |
| 13:56.01 | Shadowcat | mjt: so /dev/sda* then |
| 13:56.02 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 13:56.07 | mjt | yup |
| 13:56.08 | justin | clusty: you have the ports wrong |
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| 13:56.25 | clusty | justin, whats the right port? |
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| 13:56.35 | justin | clusty: whatever port your vnc server is running on |
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| 13:56.50 | mjt | Shadowcat: don't rely on the on-mobo raid |
| 13:57.02 | clusty | justin, ouch. did nto specify a port. lemme kill it and figure out how to specify one :D |
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| 13:57.11 | mjt | Shadowcat: you'll have more probs with it than it's worth |
| 13:57.15 | radex | how to simple resize partition on lvm 'disk' after lvextend? |
| 13:57.24 | Shadowcat | mjt: that seems to be the consensus on Google as well |
| 13:57.26 | justin | clusty: you dont need to change teh vnc port, just the change the port in SSH to matc |
| 13:57.52 | Shadowcat | to complicate matters /dev/sda is going to have an XP install on it |
| 13:57.52 | mjt | radex: depends on the filesystem. ie, filesystem-specific method |
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| 13:58.05 | radex | mjt: ext3 |
| 13:58.06 | clusty | justin, true |
| 13:58.21 | mjt | radex: resize2fs (must be unmounted) |
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| 13:58.40 | Shadowcat | mjt: I plan on having three volume groups |
| 13:58.55 | mjt | no need to have many volume groups really |
| 13:59.01 | radex | mjt: for me it dosen't work |
| 13:59.02 | firespeaker | abrotman: you? I donno, what can you do? |
| 13:59.13 | Shadowcat | root for linux roots, /boot, and swap, /home for well, home, and library for everything else |
| 13:59.14 | mjt | Shadowcat: unless you've several dozens of disks |
| 13:59.16 | abrotman | firespeaker: find a new application? :) |
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| 13:59.24 | Shadowcat | mjt: 4x1tb |
| 13:59.28 | clusty | justin, now I get: connection refused. without even being asked for a password |
| 13:59.34 | Shadowcat | at the end |
| 13:59.44 | justin | clusty: ports are still wrong |
| 13:59.45 | Shadowcat | I only have 4xSATA |
| 13:59.46 | mjt | radex: define "does not work" |
| 13:59.46 | abrotman | firespeaker: i actually stop using grip awhile ago, and switched to a more automated method using jack |
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| 14:00.18 | Shadowcat | not sure whether I'm comfortable with a huge raid0 though |
| 14:00.20 | Shadowcat | that's the problem |
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| 14:00.44 | Shadowcat | because that's essentially what that LVM volume is going to become |
| 14:00.44 | mjt | Shadowcat: so make it raid5 ;) |
| 14:00.48 | radex | mjt: http://pastebin.com/m5d1d3e2f |
| 14:00.55 | Shadowcat | mjt: ya, I need cash for that |
| 14:01.03 | mjt | no cash needed |
| 14:01.07 | DarkJustice | uggh.. I renamed a folder and now I get i/o error when trying to open/move/delete any files in the folder.. tried renaming it back to the original and that didn't work.. files were able to be opened/etc. before.. any ideas would be greatly appreciated |
| 14:01.08 | mjt | see mdadm |
| 14:01.14 | radex | mjt: but i have freespace on lvm |
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| 14:01.34 | Shadowcat | Linux software raid5? |
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| 14:01.36 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 14:01.39 | mjt | Shadowcat: exactly |
| 14:01.48 | mjt | radex: it seems you don't |
| 14:01.59 | mjt | radex: on this lv anyway |
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| 14:02.12 | clusty | justin, can you be more constructive in comments? :D |
| 14:02.20 | clusty | justin, line from log file: vncext: Listening for VNC connections on port 5901 |
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| 14:02.48 | justin | clusty: and what SSH command did you run? |
| 14:02.49 | Shadowcat | mjt: raid with drives of different size? |
| 14:02.55 | Shadowcat | isn't that a recepie for disaster? |
| 14:03.02 | justin | clusty: btw, most linux vnc clients just let you pass the -via option |
| 14:03.34 | mjt | Shadowcat: all raid solutions i know basically requires equal-sized drives |
| 14:03.38 | clusty | justin, putty. but the tunnel does work since I am forwarding also postgres port (and if I change the vnc forwarded port connection dies) |
| 14:03.48 | Shadowcat | mjt: so raid is out of the question then |
| 14:03.49 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 14:03.54 | firespeaker | abrotman: I don't want automated =( |
| 14:04.07 | mjt | Shadowcat: not at all |
| 14:04.07 | clusty | justin, forwarded from localhost:5901 to the machine |
| 14:04.17 | Shadowcat | I know, I could use JBOD |
| 14:04.20 | justin | clusty: that sounds backawards |
| 14:04.22 | Shadowcat | but LVM does that already |
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| 14:04.28 | justin | clusty: you should be forwarding 5901 to localhost:5901 |
| 14:04.31 | mjt | Shadowcat: linux raid works on top of any block device, including partitions |
| 14:04.31 | abrotman | firespeaker: how about sound-juicer ? |
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| 14:04.40 | clusty | justin, i meant backwards. from 5901 to localhost:5901 |
| 14:04.51 | Shadowcat | mjt: yes, but it's hardly an optimal solution |
| 14:04.55 | Shadowcat | or wouldn't you agree? |
| 14:05.01 | justin | clusty: and what did you tell the vnc client to connect to? |
| 14:05.02 | clusty | justin, that is not IT. might be wrong port, but the forwarding works |
| 14:05.04 | mjt | Shadowcat: not optimal in what sense? |
| 14:05.09 | clusty | justin, localhost |
| 14:05.16 | justin | clusty: localhost, or localhost:1 ? |
| 14:05.26 | Shadowcat | I have 1x1tb, 1x500gb, 1x300gb, and 2x200gb |
| 14:05.38 | firespeaker | abrotman: sound-juicer lacks features |
| 14:05.39 | Shadowcat | and I plan on replacing the last for with 3x1tb |
| 14:05.47 | Shadowcat | and that's going to happen in the next year or so |
| 14:05.51 | clusty | justin, worked |
| 14:06.06 | clusty | justin, i was braindead :D should have connected to localhost:5901 |
| 14:06.13 | clusty | thanks for help |
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| 14:06.15 | Shadowcat | feels like unnecessary administrative overhead to make a raid5 on drives that I won't be using in 12 months anyway |
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| 14:06.38 | mjt | Shadowcat: so you'll have 4x1tb - good for raid. But before that, it's probably best to use jbod |
| 14:06.59 | Shadowcat | so basically just plain old LVM |
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| 14:07.18 | Shadowcat | right? |
| 14:07.40 | clusty | justin, might be asking for much, but can I change the disgusting green TWM or whatever it's called for icewm or blackbox? |
| 14:08.53 | mjt | Shadowcat: you can join that disks but that'll be raid0. So yes, your initial idea make sense, -- 4 volume groups :) |
| 14:09.06 | justin | clusty: yep |
| 14:09.12 | radex | mjt: http://pastebin.com/m2fa59846 |
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| 14:09.25 | clusty | justin, how? |
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| 14:09.36 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 14:09.38 | justin | clusty: the easy way? install blackbox, remove twm |
| 14:09.50 | Shadowcat | so basically one physical extent and one volume group per disk until I get this sorted |
| 14:09.55 | Shadowcat | sounds like one hell of a solution |
| 14:09.55 | clusty | justin, works for me :D |
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| 14:10.10 | DarkJustice | I renamed a folder and now I get an i/o error when trying to open/move/delete any files in the folder.. tried renaming it back to the original and that didn't work.. files were able to be opened/etc. before.. any ideas would be greatly appreciated |
| 14:10.29 | willian | hi, how can i install debian in a pen drive? |
| 14:10.44 | willian | do you have docs/man about it? |
| 14:10.45 | mjt | radex: that's actual partition table on disk, not kernel vision of it |
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| 14:11.20 | mjt | radex: you need to tell kernel to re-read the partition table on that (virtual) disk |
| 14:11.35 | mjt | radex: for that, the disk should not be in use |
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| 14:12.03 | Shadowcat | mjt: and I can't just "covert" a simple ext3 partition to an LVM logical volume can I? |
| 14:12.08 | craigevil | !tell willian about usb install |
| 14:12.13 | mjt | Shadowcat: nope |
| 14:12.19 | Shadowcat | god damnit |
| 14:12.55 | mjt | when you'll have 3x1TB drives, you'll initialize degraded raid on it, copy all your files into there, and add one missing drive |
| 14:13.25 | Shadowcat | when I have 3x1tb drives I'll have other problems |
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| 14:13.35 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:13.37 | Shadowcat | such as how to initialize raid without having space to move the data |
| 14:13.46 | mjt | degraded |
| 14:13.50 | mjt | without one drive |
| 14:13.53 | Shadowcat | haven't really researched raid that much |
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| 14:14.06 | ajavid | I have php-cli setup with xdebug and when there is a problem, I get very nasty output in console, I get the debug output, but its very nasty, no line breaks, nothing |
| 14:14.07 | Shadowcat | but I'm guessing I can't just take all the existing data and make it into a raid array |
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| 14:14.22 | ajavid | any ideas how to beautify it in a sense that it at least contains proper line breaks |
| 14:14.24 | mjt | Shadowcat: when you create it, you tell it to create 4-drive array from 3 drives and one missing |
| 14:14.25 | ajavid | its very hard to read |
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| 14:14.51 | Shadowcat | mjt: but wouldn't the creation process nuke all the data already on the drives? |
| 14:14.57 | mjt | sure |
| 14:15.01 | Shadowcat | ... |
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| 14:15.08 | mjt | but we're talking about 3 new drives, no? |
| 14:15.18 | mjt | ie, empty? |
| 14:15.25 | Shadowcat | no, I'm going to acquire one at a time, and fill them over time |
| 14:15.26 | Shadowcat | so no |
| 14:15.35 | Shadowcat | I guess it's no LVM for me |
| 14:15.50 | Shadowcat | the only thing that I could possibly benefit from is a big /srv/ftp volume |
| 14:15.56 | Shadowcat | but that isn't worth all the hassle |
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| 14:16.02 | clusty | justin, gets even easier: just charge the twm for icewm-session inside xstart file created |
| 14:16.15 | justin | clusty: that was the hard way :-P |
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| 14:16.28 | Shadowcat | if I was the admin of a datacenter on the other hand |
| 14:16.31 | Shadowcat | I would agree with you |
| 14:16.36 | Shadowcat | Raid+LVM |
| 14:16.45 | clusty | justin, i might look like a dodo, but surely i can handle that :D |
| 14:16.51 | mjt | has raid on his home machines |
| 14:16.54 | R1ck | hassle? lvm is easy |
| 14:17.04 | Shadowcat | mjt: you're not a student strapped for cash |
| 14:17.12 | Shadowcat | I simply don't have the cash to get three new 1tb disks |
| 14:17.20 | mjt | R1ck: it's not lvm which is hassle. it's whole construct Shadowcat have :) |
| 14:17.27 | Shadowcat | R1ck: I don't want raid0 on a 24/7 file server |
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| 14:17.37 | R1ck | oh |
| 14:17.48 | R1ck | you dont want raid0, period ;) |
| 14:18.01 | R1ck | on any server |
| 14:18.05 | Shadowcat | and I definately don't have enough cash to initialize a raid5 |
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| 14:18.24 | Shadowcat | R1ck: we should make the cluster serving microsoft.com run on raid0 |
| 14:18.27 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
| 14:18.37 | Shadowcat | dynamic disk raid0 too |
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| 14:19.21 | clusty | justin, installed vnc for a office mate, but heck i might end up using it myself :D. much faster and tunneled hrough SSH it's safe enough i guess |
| 14:19.21 | radex | mjt: i'm not using it right know, guest is down |
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| 14:19.37 | R1ck | I've just put raid5 on this machine with 4 1TB disk, 8Gb mem, and quad-core Xeon 2.5Ghz :) |
| 14:19.41 | R1ck | nice fileservert |
| 14:19.56 | brah | RAID 5 -> 2 tbs? |
| 14:20.01 | Shadowcat | R1ck: that's pretty much my net income for a quarter |
| 14:20.04 | R1ck | 2TB yes |
| 14:20.06 | Shadowcat | so that's not an option for me |
| 14:20.13 | R1ck | 1 hot spare disk |
| 14:20.21 | brah | Do you do backups? |
| 14:20.23 | mjt | radex: blockdev --rereadpt /dev/vg/...yourdevice.. |
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| 14:20.44 | R1ck | backups are on a different file servers |
| 14:20.54 | brah | Good.. RAID is not backup :) |
| 14:20.58 | R1ck | indeed |
| 14:21.01 | Shadowcat | two file servers running as a cluster? |
| 14:21.07 | ranix | < brah> Good.. RAID is not backup |
| 14:21.08 | ranix | ^^^^^ |
| 14:21.09 | ranix | THIS |
| 14:21.11 | Shadowcat | gives a whole new meaning to raid1 |
| 14:21.14 | R1ck | this is just a temp fileserver too, until we order our Sun 7410 :D |
| 14:21.21 | Shadowcat | BITCH |
| 14:21.22 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 14:21.36 | ranix | raid is a fail-safe |
| 14:21.38 | R1ck | people want VPSses these days |
| 14:21.41 | cantido | If it's one of suns x86 machines.. sigh |
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| 14:21.48 | ranix | what's up with the VPSes anyway |
| 14:21.50 | Shadowcat | cantido: Oracle damnit |
| 14:21.54 | radex | mjt: hm, BLKRRPART: Invalid argument |
| 14:21.57 | Shadowcat | get it right |
| 14:22.13 | R1ck | cantido: nothing wrong with the 7410s.. blazingly fast |
| 14:22.24 | brah | "I'll set up 20 disks in RAID 1 for extra redundancy" |
| 14:22.29 | R1ck | 22 1TB sata disks, 100Gb SSDs for cache |
| 14:22.29 | brah | "Oh noes I rm'd the wrong dir" |
| 14:22.36 | cantido | Shadowcat: um, don't really mind about oracle, all the decent stuff sun had has be opened, but their x86 hardware is overpriced generic stuff in purple |
| 14:22.37 | R1ck | its brilliant |
| 14:22.40 | Shadowcat | 20 disks in raid1? |
| 14:22.41 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 14:22.46 | Shadowcat | hang that admin please |
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| 14:23.16 | Shadowcat | cantido: Sun should take a page out of Dell/HP's book in the x86 server department |
| 14:23.24 | mjt | radex: to be fair, i've no idea how you managed to see individual partitions inside lvm logical volumes |
| 14:23.31 | mjt | radex: it's like partitions inside partitions |
| 14:23.32 | Shadowcat | then again, I'm not sure I'd like to see Oracle as a big server OEM |
| 14:23.40 | cantido | Shadowcat: they can't because they don't build them |
| 14:23.52 | Shadowcat | because then it's just a matter of time before we see a purple "sunbook" |
| 14:23.55 | R1ck | the hardware is indeed very overpriced, but the Unified Storage GUI is well worth all the money |
| 14:24.03 | mjt | radex: the partitions in there are not supposed to be visible on dom0 as individual devices |
| 14:24.28 | cantido | coughs tadpole |
| 14:24.36 | mjt | radex: dunno what you did in order to see them, but you should do that again perhaps. Maybe kpartx |
| 14:24.39 | Shadowcat | oh btw, when I say fileserver I mean home file server |
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| 14:24.45 | R1ck | by the way, NetApps consists of nothing-fancy x86 hardware too and costs twice as much |
| 14:24.45 | Shadowcat | not a corporate file server |
| 14:24.54 | DarkJustice | ok wtf... I can view the properties of a file but can't move it or delete it?????? grrrrrrrr |
| 14:24.57 | Shadowcat | I'll be using that box to download media files, and store them on it |
| 14:24.59 | Shadowcat | that's about it |
| 14:25.04 | Shadowcat | don't need anything fancy for that |
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| 14:25.25 | Shadowcat | it'll hardly see any traffic |
| 14:25.40 | Shadowcat | with file access maybe one every few weeks or so |
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| 14:26.53 | radex | mjt: i'm creating lvm.. lvcreate, next install on it system |
| 14:26.55 | R1ck | Shadowcat: why would you need such a big array just for porn, dont you just delete afterwards? ;) |
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| 14:27.09 | Shadowcat | R1ck: 1080p movies |
| 14:27.18 | R1ck | 1080p porn? awesome |
| 14:27.24 | Shadowcat | plus, as any admin should know, good porn is hard currency |
| 14:27.46 | mjt | radex: yes i understand. You give that logial volume to the domU system where domU thinks it's whole disk with partitions. But you don't usually see the partitions in dom0 |
| 14:27.51 | Shadowcat | R1ck: you want ftp access now don't you? :P |
| 14:27.59 | radex | mjt: i'm using kpartx |
| 14:28.07 | mjt | so my guess was right |
| 14:28.12 | R1ck | nah I have a girlfriend ;) |
| 14:28.22 | mjt | radex: so tell it to re-scan that particular lv |
| 14:28.25 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 14:28.28 | mjt | radex: i never used kpartx |
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| 14:29.22 | radex | mjt: i'm trying to resize this partition and i have found kpartx |
| 14:29.53 | radex | mjt: i'm not sure if it's good way.. for sure on the xen it is simplest because xen using lvm like partition |
| 14:29.53 | Shadowcat | R1ck: put it this way |
| 14:29.57 | Shadowcat | most people burn stuff to dvds |
| 14:30.02 | Shadowcat | I invest in harddisks instead |
| 14:30.06 | Shadowcat | it saves space |
| 14:30.13 | ranix | most people? |
| 14:30.14 | Shadowcat | I have enough stuff in this student dorm already |
| 14:30.25 | ranix | dvds are photo- and time-sensitive |
| 14:30.32 | ranix | I burn things to magnetic storage |
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| 14:30.36 | Shadowcat | ranix: ok fine, most average folk |
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| 14:30.44 | cantido | Shadowcat: harddrives consume power though, so you're paying for even if you don't use it |
| 14:30.51 | Shadowcat | ranix: don't make me put magnets on top of your backup tapes! |
| 14:30.58 | Shadowcat | cantido: I don't pay for electricity |
| 14:31.13 | cantido | Shadowcat: yes, but the dolphins do. |
| 14:31.18 | mquin | in my experience 'most average folk' don't take backups until after their first disaster |
| 14:31.33 | Shadowcat | plus, if they do consume electricity I can disconnect them |
| 14:31.42 | radex | mjt: i have found solution with deleting exisiting partition and recreate new one bigest, but it is risk workaround |
| 14:31.42 | Shadowcat | +1 for SATA hotplug |
| 14:31.50 | R1ck | I put movies on my PS3 and delete them if I need more space |
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| 14:32.35 | DarkJustice | anyone at all that can help with an i/o error, not allowing me to move/delete files? |
| 14:32.53 | Shadowcat | permission error |
| 14:32.53 | cantido | DarkJustice: have you checked dmesg? |
| 14:33.10 | DarkJustice | well they all worked before... but when I renamed the folder now I get i/o error |
| 14:33.12 | Shadowcat | cantido: he probably mounted it rwxr--r-- |
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| 14:33.20 | Shadowcat | which could be a problem |
| 14:33.30 | DarkJustice | tried renaming it back to the original and that didn't work |
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| 14:33.35 | mjt | Shadowcat: it'll not give i/o errors, but permission errors |
| 14:33.40 | Shadowcat | check permissions |
| 14:33.42 | Shadowcat | ok... |
| 14:33.45 | Shadowcat | bad sector? |
| 14:33.46 | cantido | Shadowcat: or he has some underlying disk problem |
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| 14:33.50 | Shadowcat | and you just happened to step on it? |
| 14:33.53 | Shadowcat | fsck! |
| 14:34.00 | mjt | fsck for sure |
| 14:34.15 | cantido | DarkJustice: check dmesg, see if the kernel is saying anything about the disk being wonky |
| 14:34.18 | mjt | touch /forcefsck; reboot |
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| 14:34.34 | DarkJustice | wtf |
| 14:34.43 | DarkJustice | cantido, ok I'll check that |
| 14:34.59 | Shadowcat | hmm.. KVIRC is actually a pretty decent client |
| 14:35.10 | Shadowcat | now if I could just figure out how to replace this default theme |
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| 14:35.21 | cantido | fsck can create more issues than you originally had if there's something wrong with the hardware ;) |
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| 14:36.36 | DarkJustice | only wonky thing I see is this .... VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc1. ...... but it's an ntfs drive |
| 14:37.09 | DarkJustice | and I tried changing permissions but chown DarkJustice /media/hd3/movies didn't do it |
| 14:38.15 | cantido | DarkJustice: ah, it's ntfs.. what are you using to access it? the kernels built-in ntfs driver or the 3g thingy? |
| 14:38.22 | DarkJustice | ntfs-3g |
| 14:38.50 | DarkJustice | no other issues, only after I rename a folder does it happen |
| 14:39.12 | DarkJustice | cantido: and once I renamed it, going back to the original name didn't fix it |
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| 14:41.01 | WormFood | I need an http load tester for sid...anyone have any suggestions (based on experience)? |
| 14:41.16 | WormFood | load tester/benchmark |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | ab |
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| 14:41.30 | project2501a | http load tester? |
| 14:41.30 | project2501a | what? |
| 14:41.33 | abrotman | firespeaker: what features do you want ? |
| 14:41.39 | cantido | WormFood: there's one called siege too |
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| 14:42.30 | WormFood | I see httperf |
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| 14:42.58 | WormFood | project2501a, a http load tester would be for putting a web server under a lot of load to see how it will handle real connections |
| 14:43.14 | WormFood | project2501a, perhaps someone is making changes, and want to see how the changes affect performance. |
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| 14:43.28 | project2501a | what would apache/squid/lighttp have to do with sid though? |
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| 14:43.45 | project2501a | you don't test a *distro* for how it handles a single protocol.... |
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| 14:44.05 | cantido | WormFood: you can fall into a trap if you just use something that hits pages though, selenium tests can be good for emulating the real world |
| 14:44.17 | cantido | project2501a: I presume he meant a load tester that's in sid |
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| 14:44.34 | WormFood | selenium? is that the name of some software? |
| 14:45.00 | WormFood | cantido, also, for some of the things I want to test, I want to test specific changes |
| 14:45.13 | project2501a | cantido: that makes more sense, but it's disconcerting people don't pick their words carefully :P |
| 14:45.24 | cantido | WormFood: changes in the webserver config? |
| 14:45.27 | to_ | hi, my server is running under debian lenny, where could I find "official" documentation to configure it as a web-server (dns, mail, html server...) ? |
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| 14:46.01 | WormFood | I remember some piece of software, don't remember if it was for winblows or linux, but was supposed to emulate thousands of modem users, and could have different machines hitting the web server, all controlled from a central machine |
| 14:46.05 | cantido | project2501a: Not everyones first language is English and "for sid" sounds right to me.. "I would like some sauce for my kebab" |
| 14:46.13 | WormFood | no cantido, programming changes in php and sql |
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| 14:47.00 | WormFood | project2501a, in response to your question, I ask about sid, because that is the distro I'm running...meaning, that I'm not limited to packages just in stable |
| 14:47.15 | cantido | WormFood: selenium is good for that then, you can setup tests and everytime you make a change you can then check that it behaves the same |
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| 14:47.36 | WormFood | many times packages are in sid, that aren't in other branches....so that is why I specify sid |
| 14:48.14 | WormFood | libtest-www-selenium-perl <-- only see this cantido (when I search for selenium) |
| 14:48.51 | cantido | mmm I thought more of it was in debian, apparently not |
| 14:48.55 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_(software) |
| 14:49.05 | vi390 | Hi Iam having problems with udev. I try to mount a ftdi USB serial device to /dev/NAMEX If I let it mount automatically under /dev/ttyUSB0 it all works. but when letting udev run my own rule (BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="6001", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0403", SYSFS{serial}=="A6006eWd", NAME="NAMEX") it mounts it with NAMEX in /dev/ but the device is unusable. The only obvious difference is that the group of the working device is: dialout on the not working its |
| 14:49.05 | vi390 | root. Any idea what to try ? |
| 14:49.07 | DarkJustice | ok am I doing this wrong?? isn't it: chown DarkJustice:DarkJustice movies? |
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| 14:49.18 | WormFood | that is ok cantido, it does not have to be limited to debian....I'm more than happy to install good software |
| 14:49.50 | ajavid | wormy worm |
| 14:49.54 | ajavid | wiggly worm |
| 14:49.59 | pipingcats | Has anyone ever used a Sun Type 6/7 keyboard with Linux? |
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| 14:51.06 | project2501a | yay, more malakes in debian :> |
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| 14:52.02 | pipingcats | What's a malake? :3 |
| 14:52.21 | project2501a | pipingcats: it's an inside joke for us, Greeks. |
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| 14:53.13 | firespeaker | abrotman: ability to submit to cddb, ability to configure backend, and more configurability over all |
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| 14:53.28 | pipingcats | Ahh |
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| 14:55.20 | WormFood | cantido, do you have any suggestions or comments about selenium based on experience? |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | firespeaker: well, i think jack can do that, but you want a GUI AFAICT |
| 14:55.25 | firespeaker | abrotman: and also, like, when you edit the names of items to rip, enter should bring you to the next one |
| 14:55.33 | firespeaker | abrotman: yes |
| 14:55.45 | abrotman | asunder ? |
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| 14:55.51 | firespeaker | abrotman: a gui makes it faster and more convenient for me in this case |
| 14:55.53 | firespeaker | abrotman: yeah |
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| 14:56.26 | abrotman | firespeaker: asunder isn't good enough ? |
| 14:56.43 | a110y | hi, Web developer toolbar doesn't work with iceweasel 3.0.6 |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | firespeaker: maybe goobox ? |
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| 14:57.08 | firespeaker | abrotman: asunder:grip::epiphany:galeon :( |
| 14:57.08 | craigevil | a110y: look for an older version |
| 14:57.08 | a110y | I can see the bar but no buttons :S |
| 14:57.12 | abrotman | firespeaker: honestly, i've not really played with any of these enough to truly reocmmend one |
| 14:57.12 | firespeaker | abrotman: don't know goobox |
| 14:57.23 | a110y | craigevil: that's the only solution? |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | so you're saying asunder kind of sucks ? |
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| 14:57.53 | abrotman | ripperx |
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| 14:58.03 | firespeaker | yeah |
| 14:58.15 | firespeaker | I'm messing with asunder now |
| 14:58.18 | firespeaker | but not liking it |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | soundkonverter (watch out, it has a 'k') |
| 14:58.52 | firespeaker | if it has a k, it doesn't have a real gui :-P |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | firespeaker: of course .. if you're a coder, you could migrate grip to gtk2 .. which would get it back into debian i'd guess |
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| 14:59.08 | sander_ | What is a good and light program for viewing images? |
| 14:59.14 | abrotman | feh or eg |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | feh or eog |
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| 15:00.00 | firespeaker | abrotman: to gtk2? |
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| 15:00.08 | firespeaker | abrotman: grip is already gtk2? |
| 15:00.15 | peppe | sander_: gqview |
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| 15:00.57 | abrotman | firespeaker: well .. no idea then .. would you like to be the maintainer for it ? |
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| 15:03.00 | abrotman | firespeaker: you might have to be upstream too .. hasn't had a release in four years |
| 15:03.05 | firespeaker | abrotman: no time, no :( |
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| 15:04.00 | abrotman | firespeaker: it seems quite a few people are unhappy about it, but unless someone steps forward to package/maintain it, not much can be done |
| 15:04.17 | firespeaker | abrotman: also, I want more options for ogg than selecting an integer between 1 and 9 (inclusive) for quality. what about 1.5? What about 100kbps? |
| 15:04.32 | firespeaker | abrotman: what's wrong with the package that was there already? |
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| 15:04.40 | firespeaker | abrotman: I was using it a couple months ago with no trouble |
| 15:05.16 | abrotman | firespeaker: i'm just saying that it probably has some outstanding bugs and would need someone to care for it |
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| 15:05.28 | abrotman | firespeaker: you're arguing with the wrong person |
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| 15:05.49 | firespeaker | abrotman: no, yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I'm not trying to argue with you :-P |
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| 15:06.19 | abrotman | you could start a "Save GRIP" campaign :) |
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| 15:07.20 | firespeaker | rofl |
| 15:08.01 | firespeaker | the debian bug about the removal of grip that dpkg referred me to mentioned some alternatives |
| 15:08.20 | firespeaker | including one that was based on the debian patches to grip |
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| 15:09.04 | DarkJustice | ok seriously frustrating, it's not letting me change folder permissions, and even rm -rf won't delete the folder w/out spewing input/output error |
| 15:09.23 | justin | DarkJustice: run dmesg lately? |
| 15:09.31 | DarkJustice | yeah |
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| 15:09.51 | DarkJustice | but I only saw one funky thing |
| 15:10.21 | DarkJustice | justin: I only see this: VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdc1..... in reference to the device |
| 15:10.38 | firespeaker | what does being a package maintainer involve? |
| 15:11.57 | DarkJustice | justin: Ok I get this too.... sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Got wrong page |
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| 15:15.07 | jamesstanley | I just installed a kernel with xen (same version as without xen); the grub 2 menu has an entry for this new kernel. trying to boot the new one gives a message with words to the effect of "error: must load kernel first", the non-xen kernel boots fine |
| 15:15.11 | jamesstanley | anyone know what i did wrong? |
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| 15:15.25 | jamesstanley | the message comes up before the kernel starts booting |
| 15:15.30 | jamesstanley | or at least before the kernel emits any messages |
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| 15:16.32 | jamesstanley | there is a new file in /boot not mentioned in grub.cfg; xen-3.2-1-i386.gz |
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| 15:18.47 | jamesstanley | i'm going to spend more time looking in grub to see what i can find |
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| 15:26.12 | jamesstanley | I am trying to get a xen kernel to work; if I type linux /boot/vmlinuz-... then grub says "invalid magic number" |
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| 15:26.41 | jamesstanley | it's grub 2 |
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| 15:28.51 | taras | I have next situation: grub2 from lenny in mbr and it boots /dev/sda2, grub1 from opensuse10.3 in /dev/sda1; sda2 is active. How to boot suse from lenny's grub? |
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| 15:29.15 | jamesstanley | hi taras :) |
| 15:29.20 | jamesstanley | two people with debian+grub problems |
| 15:29.22 | taras | hi jamesstanley |
| 15:29.26 | taras | hehe |
| 15:29.27 | jpinx | taras: probably by editing menu.lst in grub |
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| 15:29.52 | koollman | taras: it's already lenny's grub booting, if it's in the mbr, right ? |
| 15:29.59 | taras | yes |
| 15:30.19 | taras | I need boot suse |
| 15:30.25 | taras | from it |
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| 15:31.42 | koollman | taras: so, either add a 'chainloader' entry to go to suse' grub, or add the proper 'kernel' entry to boot it. (I think the first solution is easier to maintain) |
| 15:32.25 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! this is driving me crazy! how in the fuck do I get audacious2 to use pulseaudio? it acts like it is playing, but no god damn sound....but I can play a file with mplayer with no problems through pulseaudo with "padsp"....but why the fuck won't it work with audacious2? |
| 15:32.44 | sivel | I am trying to install php5.3 from experimental but cannot because of dependency issues. I am currently running lenny. what do I need to do to install these experimental packages? |
| 15:32.46 | ranix | !calm down |
| 15:32.46 | dpkg | I'M ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY CALM ALREADY, GODSDAMMIT!! |
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| 15:33.00 | taras | koollman: I was adding kernel entry, but due to different device names in suse and lenny, that failed |
| 15:33.10 | WormFood | I am calm ranix....whats your solution to the problem? |
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| 15:33.16 | taras | koollman: will try first. but do I need "makeactive"? |
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| 15:33.58 | ranix | WormFood: personally, I use amarok |
| 15:34.03 | jpinx | taras: did you fall foul of grubs device numbering - it starts with 0 |
| 15:34.16 | ranix | never seen or used audacious |
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| 15:34.19 | sander_ | Which package do I need to install to get "java runtime enviroment".. so I can run java applications inside firefox? |
| 15:34.21 | WormFood | ranix, that is an alternative |
| 15:34.24 | jpinx | WormFood: I use vlc |
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| 15:34.26 | ranix | sounds like a configuration issue |
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| 15:34.51 | taras | jpinx: no in debian my hdd is /dev/sda; in suse /dev/disk/.../TOSHIBA-smth-partitionN |
| 15:34.56 | koollman | taras: probably not, but it can't hurt |
| 15:35.29 | tommie | greetings, I created a small patch for acpid, is anyone willing to try it? I noticed that with acpid now reading the netlink _and_ input device layer with newer kernels, the daemon crashes as soon as I remove an input device (e.g. an usb keyboard) from my computer - so I added a command line option to disable the use of the input layer |
| 15:35.33 | jpinx | taras: that does not answer the query grub will make |
| 15:35.40 | sander_ | When I select manual install in firefox.. I get to download jre-6u14-linux-i586.bin |
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| 15:36.00 | jpinx | taras: grub lists devices as sd0 sd1 etc |
| 15:36.00 | sander_ | But I have no idea how to install it |
| 15:36.03 | taras | jpinx: kernel loads, but mouting filesystems fails later |
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| 15:36.27 | jpinx | taras: that's progress :) now edit /etc/fstab |
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| 15:36.37 | WormFood | holy fuck! this is god damn aggravating! |
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| 15:36.48 | sander_ | I already got default-jre installed |
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| 15:37.15 | jpinx | WormFood: settle back and enjoy the view - you won't fix anything by thrashing around |
| 15:37.19 | sander_ | Anyone know if there exist some other versions of jre? |
| 15:37.30 | taras | jpinx: eh :) but no linux logo that I compiled into kernel for suse anyway :) |
| 15:37.42 | sander_ | Which works for firefox? |
| 15:37.44 | WormFood | it should be fuckin' trivial |
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| 15:37.57 | jpinx | sander_: aptitude search will show you various JRE offerings |
| 15:38.03 | WormFood | I select the pulseaudio output in audacious2, but it does not work |
| 15:38.20 | WormFood | no a single bit of sound |
| 15:39.08 | sander_ | jpinx, I know.. But I dont know which of those packages is the right one. |
| 15:39.09 | jpinx | taras: if the suse kernel is loading and the mounting is failig - it sounds very much like an issue with /etc/fstab in the suse system |
| 15:39.26 | jpinx | sander_: read the notes |
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| 15:40.04 | sander_ | jpinx, which notes? |
| 15:40.40 | jpinx | sander_: aptitude show |
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| 15:41.05 | taras | going try w/ chainloder |
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| 15:43.03 | iluminator101 | Is there like an irc channel on construction? |
| 15:43.42 | abrotman | iluminator101: /msg alis help |
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| 15:46.34 | zhxk | hello, gentleman, is it safe to do this: struct A{int v;operator <(A &rh){return v<rh.a} operator==(A &rh){return v==rh.v;}};set<A>B;A c;c.v=1;B.insert(c); c.v=2; b.insert(c);b.begin()->v=3; ? |
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| 15:47.11 | zhxk | pay attention to ;b.begin()->v=3; |
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| 15:48.09 | stew | zhxk: in windows? |
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| 15:48.27 | zhxk | ok |
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| 15:48.46 | taras | yay booted it tnx. tho was some errors in fstab, aka on one partition was reiser, now xfs, so it didn't boot |
| 15:49.01 | stew | zhxk: is this question about debian? |
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| 15:49.11 | zhxk | no |
| 15:49.15 | zhxk | thanks |
| 15:49.16 | stew | zhxk: its about windows? |
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| 15:50.22 | lng | hi! how to completely remove mysql? i have issue of reinstalling it on new EC2 EBS Volume... |
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| 15:51.39 | stew | lng: when you say completely, do you mean the data as well? or just all of the packages? |
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| 15:52.40 | Drakeson` | how can I trigger the equivalent of dpkg-reconfigure -plow with aptitude install ? |
| 15:52.49 | lng | stew: everything |
| 15:53.04 | lng | stew: i'm trying with apt-get purge |
| 15:53.11 | lng | and then |
| 15:53.36 | stew | lng: aptitude purge mysql-common ; then you'll have to remove /var/lib/mysql |
| 15:53.38 | lng | when i try to install it again, it doesn't promt me for the root pass |
| 15:53.38 | Drakeson` | does aptitude use debconf? |
| 15:53.53 | themill | Drakeson`: "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and select "low" as the priority; aptitude install blah will then prompt you for "low" priority questions for blah |
| 15:53.53 | lng | /var/lib/mysql is clean |
| 15:54.00 | lng | /var/lib/mysql is separate partition |
| 15:54.18 | lng | mysql was installed on different /var/lib/mysql |
| 15:54.30 | lng | and it's failing to start |
| 15:54.39 | Drakeson` | themill: I don't want to change the priority for all installation. there is just a single installation that should have asked more questions. |
| 15:54.52 | Drakeson` | so is there a way to pass debconf options to aptitude? |
| 15:55.02 | Drakeson` | or does aptitude use debconf, at all? |
| 15:55.30 | themill | Drakeson`: I'm trying to work out what the advantage is to doing that rather than just dpkg-reconfigure blah after installing |
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| 15:56.23 | lng | stew: done! |
| 15:56.28 | themill | (neither aptitude nor apt-get directly uses debconf; the maintainer scripts use debconf during installation and the maintainer scripts are the same regardless of how you install) |
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| 15:56.40 | lng | stew: removing obsolete packages helped |
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| 15:56.54 | Drakeson` | No advantage if the package I was reconfiguring didn't have this bug. |
| 15:57.00 | stew | lng: if its failing to start, running "mysqld" as root from the command line will often lead you to the error |
| 15:57.16 | Drakeson` | so I should not let it get installed before asking enough questions |
| 15:57.21 | lng | stew: i did so |
| 15:57.36 | Drakeson` | meanwhile, I can file bug reports |
| 15:58.13 | lng | stew: thanx for the tip |
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| 15:58.54 | Drakeson` | themill: so, the easiest way is to just dpkg-reconfigure debconf, install that package, and then dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
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| 16:03.07 | themill | Drakeson`: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz lists DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs="dpkg-preconfigure --apt --priority=low --frontend=dialog" as being a config option to play with... you can pass that using the -o option to aptitude |
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| 16:03.58 | Drakeson` | themill: thank you :) |
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| 16:04.31 | themill | continues to take bastardising apt to new lows |
| 16:06.30 | Drakeson` | it is a packaging mistake that a new user is created and not removed with purging of the package, right? |
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| 16:11.19 | mischief | hey can anyone explain these errors? http://pastebin.com/f4e6d245a |
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| 16:13.20 | Neo_The_User | is debian good for hardcore devs? |
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| 16:13.52 | Zharf | depends on how you define hardccore dev |
| 16:14.11 | stew | judd: info hardcore --release sid |
| 16:14.16 | disposable | i have installed apache2 and php5 (php5-cgi, php5-cli, php5-common) on lenny. however, when i access the php application that i want to run onthat server, i can only download the .phtml file. it would not execute it. i have php5 in mods-enabled. what am i missing? |
| 16:14.18 | stew | i guess not |
| 16:14.27 | Neo_The_User | stew: hi! |
| 16:14.28 | Drakeson` | Neo_The_User: debian is often the distro of choice for many developers |
| 16:14.31 | Neo_The_User | stew: remember me? |
| 16:14.35 | stew | yes |
| 16:14.43 | Neo_The_User | cool |
| 16:14.49 | stew | is it? |
| 16:14.57 | Neo_The_User | yeah cuz u no who i am |
| 16:15.00 | Neo_The_User | im so cool |
| 16:15.08 | disposable | sighs |
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| 16:15.45 | Neo_The_User | stew: just in case your wondering, im not the sock puppet of Neo_The_User. im not the troll. |
| 16:15.45 | themill | Neo_The_User: being memorable in #debian is rarely a good thing |
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| 16:16.03 | JoshH | whatever happened to mwilson? |
| 16:16.06 | stew | themill: i remember you too |
| 16:16.08 | Zharf | as a dev, debian is often the choice for me... though often I have to compile my own packages because things don't get in sid fast enough :) |
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| 16:16.15 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 16:16.15 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 16:16.15 | Neo_The_User | themill: hahahaa |
| 16:16.33 | themill | stew: probably not a good thing :) |
| 16:16.36 | Drakeson` | sorry, I took the bait. won't feed trolls anymore. |
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| 16:16.53 | Neo_The_User | Drakeson`, im not the troll / sock puppet |
| 16:16.57 | asg | stew: does mwilson barbie come in plush? |
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| 16:17.51 | Neo_The_User | this channel is like ##slackware |
| 16:17.54 | Neo_The_User | always off topic |
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| 16:19.14 | bluejeans | hey all. what's a good, lightweight wifi network manager to use in fluxbox? |
| 16:19.20 | bluejeans | wicd? |
| 16:19.27 | Neo_The_User | bluejeans, no. cli |
| 16:19.48 | Neo_The_User | a command line wireless network manager |
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| 16:20.18 | bluejeans | Neo_The_User, ok.. i'll check it out |
| 16:20.19 | Neo_The_User | preferably one that uses ncursus |
| 16:20.26 | Neo_The_User | *ncurses |
| 16:20.29 | cahoot | bluejeans: fwiw wicd works just fine |
| 16:20.43 | jpinx | bluejeans: I use wicd |
| 16:20.53 | Neo_The_User | wicd works fine but its not as lightweight as cli |
| 16:20.57 | Neo_The_User | wicd is heavy |
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| 16:21.11 | bluejeans | cahoot, i didn't see wicd in the repo though for some reason... |
| 16:21.11 | stew | asg: doubtful |
| 16:21.12 | cahoot | you know best |
| 16:21.24 | Neo_The_User | lawlz! |
| 16:21.27 | Neo_The_User | EPIC ROFFTLE |
| 16:21.39 | disposable | bluejeans: i hate to agree with the troll, but wicd is pretty heavy (15-20MB of ram) |
| 16:21.46 | jpinx | bluejeans: it'sa backport |
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| 16:22.25 | bluejeans | neo2k, yes, i like lightweight so i'll try the cli.. as long as it doesn't take too much time for getting a connection up |
| 16:22.37 | e7th04sh | hi, my debian is treating my native language as primary, and whenever it can it displays every text it can in that language rather than english version |
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| 16:22.50 | Neo_The_User | who is neo2k? |
| 16:22.50 | e7th04sh | how can i make everything english? |
| 16:22.52 | bluejeans | jpinx, ok. yeah i only have 512 ram so i want to save whatever i can |
| 16:23.11 | WormFood | does pulseaudio work with audacious2 in sid? |
| 16:23.12 | Neo_The_User | bluejeans: its Neo_The_User Playstation 3 Developer. not neo2k |
| 16:23.16 | jpinx | has 256Mbs RAM |
| 16:23.31 | e7th04sh | fe. man pages, the translated are often impossible to read, what proves how tough and requiring the job of translator is, and how few of us are chosen by destiny to perform it |
| 16:23.32 | thiebaude | yea, i have 512 and lenny is fast |
| 16:23.45 | jpinx | bluejeans: you're not going to see much difference |
| 16:23.54 | WormFood | can someone try and see if audacious2 and pulseaudio works for them? I can't get this fuckin' shit to work if my life depended on it |
| 16:25.40 | Neo_The_User | i have 2.24 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Intel GM945, 2.5 GB RAM, and USB Mouse and keyboard. can i run debian on this hardware? |
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| 16:25.52 | cahoot | you? no |
| 16:26.20 | Neo_The_User | cahoot: was that to me? if so, wtf. why you bein so rude? |
| 16:26.38 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, I think the idea is, if you have to ask then you can't do it |
| 16:26.45 | Neo_The_User | ah |
| 16:26.49 | thiebaude | Neo_The_User: yea, you can run it |
| 16:26.53 | Neo_The_User | thanks |
| 16:26.56 | thiebaude | np |
| 16:26.57 | Neo_The_User | :) |
| 16:26.59 | WormFood | Linux will run on some pretty low end hardware |
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| 16:27.14 | WormFood | so of course your hardware should run Linux quite well |
| 16:27.26 | Neo_The_User | well im on slackware right now |
| 16:27.31 | Neo_The_User | im not new to linux |
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| 16:27.37 | WormFood | then why did you ask? |
| 16:27.37 | thiebaude | i'm new, i came over from ubuntu,Neo_The_user |
| 16:27.37 | Neo_The_User | just considering switching to ubuntu |
| 16:27.41 | WormFood | you should have known |
| 16:27.46 | Neo_The_User | *debian |
| 16:27.47 | Neo_The_User | sorry |
| 16:27.57 | WormFood | how long you been running Linux? |
| 16:28.01 | Neo_The_User | no i was asking about if debian supported my hard ware |
| 16:28.16 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: 4 years (2 years slack, 2 years arch) |
| 16:28.16 | bluejeans | Neo_The_User, cnetworkmanager? |
| 16:28.30 | Neo_The_User | bluejeans: thats heavier than wicd. its kde based IIRC |
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| 16:28.38 | bluejeans | ah |
| 16:28.43 | BCM43 | is there a debian store for shirts and the like? |
| 16:28.52 | Neo_The_User | no im thinking of KNetworkManager |
| 16:29.01 | Neo_The_User | cnetwork* never heard of :) |
| 16:29.06 | bluejeans | Neo_The_User, recommend one |
| 16:29.15 | Neo_The_User | i dont recommend anything |
| 16:29.18 | bluejeans | ok |
| 16:29.19 | Neo_The_User | i just say stuff |
| 16:29.22 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, I've been running linux for about 14 years ;) |
| 16:29.39 | stew | Neo_The_User: debian requires at least a 486 and about 32 mb of ram though 64 mb of ram is recommended |
| 16:29.43 | cahoot | bluejeans: plain wpa-supplicant is minimalistic |
| 16:29.44 | bluejeans | cnetworkmanager -h cnetworkmanager 0.8.4 - Command Line Interface for NetworkManager |
| 16:29.49 | Neo_The_User | ok... idc but i was just wondering what that hardware reqs for debian were. thanks stew |
| 16:29.58 | stew | Neo_The_User: /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:30.01 | WormFood | 32 meg of ram? the installer or the base system? |
| 16:30.01 | Neo_The_User | finally someone who understood what i was trying to say |
| 16:30.05 | stew | Neo_The_User: the hardware requirements are in the install guide |
| 16:30.13 | WormFood | I remember running Linux on plenty of 8 and 16 meg machines |
| 16:30.22 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: for the record, you don't need to brag |
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| 16:30.33 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, I wasn't bragging :P |
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| 16:30.40 | Neo_The_User | 14 years ago I was 2 years old |
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| 16:30.44 | WormFood | really? |
| 16:30.50 | Neo_The_User | yes really |
| 16:30.57 | bluejeans | thanks all. i gotta run but i'll get back to this tonight |
| 16:31.11 | Neo_The_User | so i have a reason that explains why i couldn't be a user for that long. anyway, thanks stew |
| 16:31.15 | WormFood | my daughter is older than you (no, not bragging either) |
| 16:31.40 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, still, you should have known your system by far exceeds the minimum requirements for debian |
| 16:31.49 | WormFood | is there ANY distro, that claims they want more? |
| 16:32.14 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: ummmm.. Windows Vista lawlz! |
| 16:32.21 | WormFood | heh |
| 16:32.27 | Neo_The_User | but linux distro... yellowdog does |
| 16:32.37 | Neo_The_User | i can only run that on my ps3 |
| 16:32.38 | WormFood | VISTA = Virus Infestations, Spyware, Trojans and Adware |
| 16:32.54 | thiebaude | WormFood: totally agree |
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| 16:33.20 | WormFood | that is a different platform (the PS3), can't really compare |
| 16:33.27 | WormFood | also the PS3 only comes in 1 size/speed |
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| 16:33.43 | Neo_The_User | size? |
| 16:33.56 | Neo_The_User | umm sony just released a 45nm CPU for the ps3 |
| 16:34.04 | Neo_The_User | it started out at 90nm ;) |
| 16:34.33 | WormFood | you know that is not what I'm talking about |
| 16:34.33 | jelly | do specs (what it can run) change? |
| 16:34.37 | jelly | that it takes less power is always good |
| 16:34.42 | thiebaude | Neo_The_User: hard drive, ram etc |
| 16:34.43 | WormFood | doubtful jelly...at least not at this time |
| 16:34.58 | Neo_The_User | thiebaude: you can change all that using my custom ps3 firmware |
| 16:35.19 | g00se | is thinking of running Lenny on a low-spec tablet |
| 16:35.22 | Neo_The_User | thiebaude, source code: http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/ps3-hacks-source |
| 16:35.27 | thiebaude | ok, thanks |
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| 16:35.57 | Neo_The_User | np ;) |
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| 16:36.56 | Neo_The_User | what CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS were using to compile the amd64 apps in debian? |
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| 16:37.07 | Neo_The_User | -march=x86_64? |
| 16:37.15 | Neo_The_User | or just -m64? |
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| 16:38.10 | Neo_The_User | stew: do you know? you seem to be very smart :) |
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| 16:38.52 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! what the fuck does it take to make audacious2 and pusleaudio to play nice together (and actually fuckin' work for a change)? |
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| 16:39.31 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: language |
| 16:39.43 | Neo_The_User | there are children here (like me) |
| 16:39.50 | thiebaude | haha |
| 16:39.57 | stew | Neo_The_User: you can see the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS for a package by getting the source and looking at the .diff.gz (/msg dpkg source) |
| 16:40.30 | Neo_The_User | wow. thanks again |
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| 16:40.35 | Neo_The_User | you are debian genius! |
| 16:40.45 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, experience can appear to be smarts sometimes ;) |
| 16:41.08 | stew | Neo_The_User: you can also see build logs here https://buildd.debian.org/ |
| 16:41.27 | Neo_The_User | im smart just not with debian. only used it for a few days on a different comp a few months ago |
| 16:41.44 | stew | Neo_The_User: but if you want to know specifically if amd64 are compiled with -march=x86_64 or -m64, the answer, i believe would typically be "no" |
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| 16:42.00 | thiebaude | Neo_The_User: i started using it yesterday |
| 16:42.11 | thiebaude | through unetbootin |
| 16:42.14 | Neo_The_User | stew: lawlz that sucks |
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| 16:43.36 | Neo_The_User | so how were the debian amd64 packages compiled differently from the i486 packages? |
| 16:44.02 | Neo_The_User | like... technically and specifically speaking |
| 16:44.03 | stew | Neo_The_User: the weren't |
| 16:44.09 | Neo_The_User | oh |
| 16:44.24 | Neo_The_User | so then i could run the amd64 release on a i486 machine, yes? |
| 16:44.29 | stew | no |
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| 16:44.37 | Neo_The_User | well.... your leaving something out then |
| 16:45.00 | stew | Neo_The_User: they aren't compiled differently, they are compiled on a amd64 machine instead of a i386 machine |
| 16:45.02 | themill | Neo_The_User: the amd64 packages are compiled on an amd64 machine. gcc's output reflects that |
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| 16:45.07 | barmagnet | is there any calculator other than bc that is readily available on any Debian? |
| 16:45.20 | Neo_The_User | barmagnet, im a calculator |
| 16:45.23 | stew | barmagnet: i use "ipython" or "python" |
| 16:45.25 | barmagnet | i want a calculator which supports trignometric functions like sin, cos, etc. |
| 16:45.33 | Neo_The_User | yes i support that |
| 16:45.34 | themill | awk! |
| 16:45.54 | stew | barmagnet: or some other language's repl. i sometimes use list-interactive mode in emacs, FE |
| 16:45.56 | barmagnet | Neo_The_User, but you are not available on all Debian. |
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| 16:46.39 | Neo_The_User | stew: if -march=native wasn't set or anything like that on the amd64 machine, then there is no difference |
| 16:46.47 | stew | Neo_The_User: yes there is |
| 16:47.04 | Neo_The_User | themill: what do you mean by "gcc's output reflects that" |
| 16:47.33 | craigevil | barmagnet: apt-cache search calculator |
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| 16:48.55 | stew | Neo_The_User: gcc's output by default on any arch is going to target the arch it is running on |
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| 16:49.11 | stew | Neo_The_User: debian's gcc on amd64 will otuput amd64 binaries |
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| 16:51.00 | WormFood | stew, what is the solution to my problem with audacious2 and pulseaudio? |
| 16:51.02 | Neo_The_User | stew: are you certain? |
| 16:51.22 | stew | WormFood: i've never used either |
| 16:51.24 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: take out your sound card, and swallow it |
| 16:51.25 | stew | Neo_The_User: yes |
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| 16:51.50 | themill | Neo_The_User: tias... |
| 16:52.02 | Neo_The_User | thanks all. what is tias? |
| 16:52.08 | Neo_The_User | i only speak C and english |
| 16:52.10 | stew | 'try it and see' |
| 16:52.11 | themill | !tias |
| 16:52.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 16:52.13 | Neo_The_User | oh |
| 16:53.11 | stew | Neo_The_User: are you on amd64 now? |
| 16:53.19 | Neo_The_User | if i recompile all the debian apps with -march=core2 -msse -msse2 -mmmx -msse3 -mssse3, will that make the apps any faster? |
| 16:53.44 | abrotman | .00131234% |
| 16:53.46 | stew | !gentoosmite Neo_The_User |
| 16:53.46 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling Neo_The_User, and when it's all done, Neo_The_User runs 5% slower than previously |
| 16:53.54 | Neo_The_User | stew: im using slack64 as of.. this second but i dont like it cuz i cant get kde 4.3 rc2 workin on it so im switching to debian amd64 IF it exceeds my expectations |
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| 16:54.38 | Fedor | Hi |
| 16:54.46 | Neo_The_User | Fedor: hi. |
| 16:54.51 | Neo_The_User | Fedor: need help? |
| 16:55.00 | Fedor | Neo_The_User, no I'm fine, thanks :) |
| 16:55.00 | stew | Neo_The_User: echo "int main(int argc,char** argv) { return 0; }" > test.c ; gcc test.c ; file a.out" and you'll see that gcc produces 64 bit binaries |
| 16:55.41 | WormFood | Neo_The_User, ä½ æ´»è¯´è±æåï¼ |
| 16:55.56 | stew | WormFood: english only in here, please |
| 16:55.58 | Neo_The_User | WormFood: thats traditional chinese i think |
| 16:56.05 | WormFood | no, it is simplified |
| 16:56.10 | Neo_The_User | NO WAI |
| 16:56.11 | stew | Neo_The_User: i wouldn't expect debian to be any easier than slack for getting kde 4.3 working |
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| 16:56.18 | WormFood | stew, I was just asking him if he speaks english |
| 16:56.29 | Neo_The_User | stew: slack doesnt have the toolchain |
| 16:56.47 | Neo_The_User | debian has toolchain for EV-THANG! |
| 16:56.53 | WormFood | crap, I can't type traditional in x-chat....no fuckin' idea why, but I can't select the right characters |
| 16:57.00 | Neo_The_User | LANGUAGE! |
| 16:57.11 | WormFood | yes, we use language here |
| 16:57.16 | stew | WormFood: he clearly does, if you want to speak to him in a language other than english, you should do it somewhere else |
| 16:57.31 | g00se | That's traditional Anglo-Saxon |
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| 16:58.01 | Neo_The_User | no. i implied that you should wash your mouth out with soap |
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| 16:58.16 | WormFood | my mouth? but I'm not saying anything |
| 16:58.23 | WormFood | perhaps wash my fingers off with soap |
| 16:58.28 | WormFood | or my keyboard |
| 16:58.28 | stew | can you guys please take this elsewhere? |
| 16:58.50 | WormFood | sure stew, as soon as I find a solution to my pulseaudio/audacious2 problem |
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| 16:59.40 | Neo_The_User | stew: hahahaha! |
| 17:00.12 | Neo_The_User | stew: i think last year you banned me |
| 17:00.26 | azeem_ | Neo_The_User: please keep it on topic |
| 17:00.30 | Neo_The_User | ok ok |
| 17:00.30 | abrotman | can't imagine why |
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| 17:02.08 | WormFood | you know what is totally gay? the fact that audacious2 and pulseaudio won't work together, even tho there is a pulseaudio plugin for audacious2 |
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| 17:03.47 | jelly | what does the % do? |
| 17:04.01 | radex | after drink ;) |
| 17:04.13 | stew | jelly: mute instead of ban. they can join but not speak |
| 17:04.35 | jelly | thanks |
| 17:04.55 | Neo_The_User | You know what's even more gay than that? That debian hasn't compiled all its apps with gcc 4.4. that'd be awesome! |
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| 17:05.48 | IgnasR | hello, maybe someone remembers solution to "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed" problem in CUPS? |
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| 17:07.21 | g00se | What happens when they try to post if they're muted? |
| 17:07.29 | abrotman | says they can't send to channel |
| 17:07.35 | g00se | Ah |
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| 17:09.01 | BubbaT | I'm trying to compile something, configure complains it can't find the XML::ParsWhich package is this in? |
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| 17:09.58 | jelly | BubbaT: which language is this in, Perl? |
| 17:10.10 | MadMoney | Is it a really bad idea to have grub pass parameters to the Linux kernel such that it will mount the root file system as rw (read/write) instead of ro (read-only)? I know the former won't allow a file system check. |
| 17:10.23 | BubbaT | jelly, I said perl. |
| 17:11.04 | Dracie | MadMoney: you would have to create another grub entry just for filesystem checks i'm thinking |
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| 17:11.19 | BubbaT | Oh sorry part of my message got cut off. Yes this is a Perl module. |
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| 17:11.27 | stew | BubbaT: libxml-perl |
| 17:11.30 | abrotman | Dracie: or just edit it when you want to check it ? but what about the auto-check every 30 mounts ? |
| 17:11.38 | jelly | BubbaT: if apt-cache search XML::ParsWhich return nothing, you can use dh-make-perl to create packages for arbitrary CPAN modules |
| 17:11.45 | themill | or libxml-parser-perl |
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| 17:11.59 | stew | themill: (on which libxml-perl depends) |
| 17:12.11 | themill | figured |
| 17:12.11 | Dracie | IMO unless this is a critical system don't mess with the ro arguement |
| 17:12.26 | Dracie | if it is, run a manual filesystem check every 3 weeks |
| 17:12.44 | Dracie | there is some special way to bless a partition for a fscheck |
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| 17:13.08 | OpenTokix | tune2fs -i <interval> |
| 17:13.18 | Dracie | thx OpenTokix :) |
| 17:13.35 | jelly | MadMoney: if it's an ext3 filesystem, it doesn't really matter |
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| 17:14.14 | jelly | MadMoney: why are you doing that, though? |
| 17:14.15 | xororand | If an LVM2 read-only snapshot becomes full, will I lose any data on the original volume? |
| 17:14.23 | g00se | Dracie: Maybe you were thinking of shutdown -F ..? |
| 17:15.01 | Dracie | g00se: maybe or openpercept mentioned tune2fs -i <interval> for setting how many times until fsck |
| 17:15.13 | Dracie | oh mai gawd, i tab fail |
| 17:15.28 | OpenTokix | ) |
| 17:15.31 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 17:15.33 | Dracie | :) |
| 17:15.35 | openpercept | :) |
| 17:15.43 | Dracie | hehe |
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| 17:16.11 | MadMoney | Debian loads /sbin/init from the initrd image, right? |
| 17:16.24 | MadMoney | nvm, stupid question. |
| 17:16.37 | Dracie | MadMoney: pretty sure it is usually from filesystem maybe i'm wrong |
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| 17:16.49 | Dracie | idk i'm noob |
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| 17:16.59 | MadMoney | Can't be Dracie. |
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| 17:17.02 | xororand | MadMoney: yes |
| 17:17.11 | Dracie | yup I stand corrected |
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| 17:17.20 | MadMoney | :) |
| 17:17.25 | Dracie | =] |
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| 17:18.20 | jelly | xororand: is that the same init running after the system is booted up? |
| 17:18.24 | stew | MadMoney: if you have an inintrd, then yes, /sbin/init is run from the initrd, which in turn runs /sbin/init from your / partition, if not, /sbin/init is run from the / partition directly |
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| 17:19.32 | xororand | jelly: good question. i think so, yes. |
| 17:19.48 | jelly | lsof -p 1 will show whether that's true |
| 17:19.51 | MadMoney | Well, I commented out the initrd part in /boot/grub/menu.lst, and it couldn't mount the root file system, so it paniced. |
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| 17:20.16 | jelly | MadMoney: that's normal. You deprived your kernel of important drivers |
| 17:20.35 | jelly | !wayttd MadMoney |
| 17:20.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, MadMoney? |
| 17:20.48 | MadMoney | Trying to learn like anyone else. |
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| 17:21.09 | stew | MadMoney: if you want to not use an initrd, you'd need to have everything needed to mount the / partition compiled directly into the kernel (not as modules), including hard drive controller modules and filesystem modules |
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| 17:21.27 | stew | MadMoney: so you'd have to recompile a kernel, you could not use a debian stock kernel) |
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| 17:21.42 | MadMoney | stew: Right, so /sbin/init is running from initrd so that it can modprobe some drivers? |
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| 17:22.35 | stew | MadMoney: yes, it exists to prepare the kernel to mount /, which might be modprobing drivers, might be assembling raid, starting lvm, configuring networking, etc |
| 17:22.43 | DeathWolf | mmm, is there any way to do some transparent vpn-tunneling of specific ports? |
| 17:23.12 | Dracie | lvm is great, used it for the first time in a debian install i performed yesterday |
| 17:23.21 | MadMoney | Interesting. |
| 17:23.24 | AlexWeb1 | hi |
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| 17:24.31 | MadMoney | Stupid laptop keeps crashing. |
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| 17:25.33 | xororand | MadMoney: if you want to learn how an initrd works, building an initramfs on your own is a good exercise |
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| 17:25.33 | xororand | it's easier to understand debian's initramfs system once you've understood a most basic one |
| 17:25.58 | MadMoney | xororand: I'm thinking about doing tha. |
| 17:26.00 | MadMoney | that |
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| 17:28.29 | MadMoney | So, from what I've read, after init runs from initrd, the kernel looks for /sbin/init, /bin/init, or /etc/init, in that order. |
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| 17:31.50 | xororand | MadMoney: the init process of the initrd usually mounts the root partition to, for example /root, and calls switch_root /root which replaces / with the actual root partition and calls /sbin/init, yes |
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| 17:35.35 | smokes | hey all, did anyone have a problem with debian running slow after install? |
| 17:35.53 | MadMoney | smokes: check top and ps aux |
| 17:36.51 | xororand | smokes: running slow is a bit vague. try to locate the problem by finding out what's running slow, i.e. hard drive, graphics, etc.. |
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| 17:37.54 | smokes | alright, I'lll try and narrow it down, give me a sec.... |
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| 17:40.27 | smokes | /dev/hda: |
| 17:40.27 | smokes | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.27 | smokes | Macheath:/home/macheath# |
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| 17:40.59 | smokes | crap, sorry bout that |
| 17:41.16 | Dracie | nobody is gunna yell at you :) |
| 17:41.55 | smokes | but, earlier I wasn't getting nearly as high a speed, the lag doesn't seem to exist when the irc is on |
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| 17:42.44 | smokes | I was getting around 11. MB/s before I got on the irc, and that was tops |
| 17:43.12 | smokes | thanks, Dracie :) |
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| 17:44.32 | unreal-dude | whats ur systems specs? and what window manager u running? |
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| 17:44.40 | smokes | The main visible effect is that the cursor tends to stick, and the browser laags, I blamed iceweasel, but then I switched to epiphany, so... |
| 17:45.01 | unreal-dude | ive had laggy performance with gnome |
| 17:45.02 | mischief | hey can anyone explain these errors? http://pastebin.com/f4e6d245a |
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| 17:45.58 | unreal-dude | mischief holy crap this is the same thing i was having while trying to get mysql running yesterday |
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| 17:46.10 | unreal-dude | seems some packages are broken out there |
| 17:46.12 | mischief | o.O |
| 17:46.19 | smokes | Macheath:/home/macheath# bian] I was getting around 11. MB/s before I got on the irc, and that was t |
| 17:46.39 | mischief | very odd |
| 17:46.55 | chops1 | mischief: Checked the BTS? |
| 17:47.02 | mischief | not yet.. |
| 17:47.19 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:47.51 | smokes | uname -a gave: 2.6.26-2-696 SMP |
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| 17:48.57 | smokes | good eve, wild |
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| 17:49.49 | unreal-dude | chops1 is there a way to search for latest bugs? i was not able to check because i dont know what package is causing problems |
| 17:50.18 | dondelelcaro | unreal-dude: yes, but we get a few hundred bugs a day |
| 17:50.48 | unreal-dude | do they have descriptive names? or how are they listed? |
| 17:50.56 | paxcoder | hmm text2wave (package: festival) takes a load of memory to buffer the wav file, instead of dumping directly to file/stdout as it does(!) when it's finished. That's irrational. |
| 17:51.56 | dondelelcaro | unreal-dude: sure, but you're better off looking at the page for the package involved. |
| 17:52.11 | dondelelcaro | mischief: this is #537125. Welcome to unstable. |
| 17:52.18 | unreal-dude | might take longer to find the package involved :P |
| 17:52.55 | mischief | dondelelcaro, great :/ |
| 17:52.59 | dondelelcaro | unreal-dude: uh... it's pretty obvious, because it's the first package listed |
| 17:53.14 | unreal-dude | in this case, i noticed that a bit ago |
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| 17:53.27 | unreal-dude | but in my case, is apt-get logging everthing? |
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| 17:53.43 | dondelelcaro | unreal-dude: I don't know what your case is |
| 17:53.44 | eix | does anybody know why the SD card device is read-only and cannot be written to, while the inner partitions can? |
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| 17:54.20 | unreal-dude | i kinda componded that statement and question, they are supposed to be seperate |
| 17:54.46 | chops1 | mischief, unreal-dude: dbus would be the first one to check |
| 17:55.17 | MadMoney | Damn it. Virtualbox is so slow at compiling kernels. |
| 17:55.24 | dondelelcaro | unreal-dude: in general, there's enough information to point at a specific package; if you can't figure it out, though, you can always show the logs here, and we'll guide you through figuring out what package the bug is in |
| 17:55.31 | MadMoney | My laptop is getting hot. |
| 17:55.55 | unreal-dude | so, where do i find apts logs? |
| 17:55.57 | cusco | eix: what do you really mean? what can't you do? if you are writing to partitions inside, you are writting in the device |
| 17:56.06 | chops1 | mischief, unreal-dude: In general the BTS is a faster and more polite way to get information about a particular malfunction than IRC... bugs are not exceptional enough events that it makes sense for the whole day's traffic on #debian to consist of "Holy hell XXX is broken!" "Yes, the problem is YYY" |
| 17:56.46 | cusco | unreal-dude: apt-get calls dpkg for installing packages. try /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 17:57.49 | eix | cusco: /dev/mmcblk0 is read-only (also told in dmesg when plugging it), while its partitions can be mounter rw |
| 17:58.02 | eix | cusco: so I can't modify the partition table but can use the partitions! |
| 17:58.14 | DeathWolf | is there any not too complex way to setup a vpn that'll make it so that the interface at the client acts as if it was another real interface on the server: if the client binds, then it tries to bind at the server on the actual interface and to "bridge" both, and packet sent are directly sent through the interface on the server without going through a nat layer either. |
| 17:58.36 | smokes | bb |
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| 17:58.50 | DeathWolf | basically wants to set up a transparent vpn interface without having to do nat&port forwarding. |
| 17:58.57 | dondelelcaro | DeathWolf: you can bridge with openvpn or similar. |
| 17:59.08 | eix | gparted & fdisk say that it's impossible to write to the device |
| 17:59.08 | ajavid | any ideas how to beautify it in a sense that it at least contains proper line breaks |
| 17:59.10 | DeathWolf | so I can directly bridge to a specific interface |
| 17:59.11 | DeathWolf | ? |
| 17:59.21 | ajavid | I have php-cli setup with xdebug and when there is a problem, I get very nasty output in console, I get the debug output, but its very nasty, no line breaks, nothing |
| 17:59.34 | dondelelcaro | DeathWolf: to a specific network, yes. Doesn't matter about the interface |
| 17:59.39 | DeathWolf | cool |
| 17:59.41 | eix | DeathWolf: I think you bridge interfaces to bridges, not viceversa |
| 18:00.04 | chops1 | DeathWolf: Or use Plan 9 instead of Linux (the hardware/net interface sharing does exactly what you describe in a very elegant way) :-) |
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| 18:00.58 | DeathWolf | hehe |
| 18:01.01 | DeathWolf | plan9 always tempted me |
| 18:01.07 | DeathWolf | but time is always lacking |
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| 18:11.01 | damasceno | How can i access the switch in Debian!? |
| 18:11.10 | damasceno | The switch use Serial Port... |
| 18:11.36 | dondelelcaro | damasceno: so plug in the switch to your serial port and use minicom or screen on the appropriate ttyS? |
| 18:12.46 | damasceno | dondelelcaro, thank you! |
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| 18:15.58 | damasceno | dondelelcaro, hey... |
| 18:16.10 | damasceno | i connect the switch in my serial port... |
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| 18:16.52 | damasceno | and type in terminal: |
| 18:16.56 | damasceno | on terminal* |
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| 18:17.00 | damasceno | # minicom |
| 18:17.02 | damasceno | and show that: |
| 18:17.13 | damasceno | OPTIONS: I18n |
| 18:17.13 | damasceno | Compiled em Feb 24 2008, 16:35:15. |
| 18:17.13 | damasceno | Port /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 18:21.19 | GNUflower | ok I'm back |
| 18:21.36 | GNUflower | I need ot remove some more stuff in bootloader |
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| 18:22.05 | GNUflower | vserver, openvz, amd64 and other one I forgot, and I'm currently using 686 now |
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| 18:22.27 | GNUflower | how od I remove them? |
| 18:23.01 | chops1 | GNUflower: Is this grub? |
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| 18:23.27 | asdf | why is debhelkper kicking me? |
| 18:23.45 | ranix | dunno |
| 18:23.47 | ranix | kicked me too |
| 18:23.49 | GNUflower | I think so. |
| 18:24.02 | chops1 | GNUflower: If it is, then it should be in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:24.03 | jpinx | asdf: #debian-offtopic |
| 18:24.04 | GNUflower | yeah grub I think |
| 18:24.06 | DeathWolf | God damn it |
| 18:24.10 | GNUflower | Shush! |
| 18:24.17 | DeathWolf | brctl addbr br0 destroyed all my remote network |
| 18:24.24 | smokes | back, I got these three responses from hdparm -t, when nothing was running: 9, 6, and 45 MB (all per sec) |
| 18:24.34 | chops1 | GNUflower: If it's in the automagic section, then I would hesitate to touch it (removing the offending kernels or leaving them be) |
| 18:24.35 | DeathWolf | is now sitting in front of a dead remote network feeling stupid |
| 18:24.50 | stew | asdf: ranix: I don't think debhlper kicked either of you from this channel, perhaps you were kicked from #debian-overflow? |
| 18:24.50 | GNUflower | don't feel stupid |
| 18:24.51 | GNUflower | >.> |
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| 18:25.03 | smokes | is it just me or are these averages weird as hell? |
| 18:25.20 | asdf | i was booted from here, #debian is window 5 |
| 18:25.37 | GNUflower | !tell me about removing packages |
| 18:25.39 | stew | asdf: what nick were you using? |
| 18:25.49 | asdf | this one |
| 18:25.58 | stew | asdf: then no, you were not kicked from this channel |
| 18:26.35 | stew | asdf: you were likely kicked from #debian-overflow |
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| 18:26.59 | asdf | stew: couldn't they kindly remove me and place me back in here? ;) |
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| 18:27.17 | stew | asdf: nope |
| 18:27.26 | GNUflower | hm... |
| 18:27.37 | smokes | This shows the slowness isn't just in my head :), but I'm not skilled enough to figure out why debian's running slow, the OS is straight out of install, more or less, maybe someone's got a clue |
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| 18:27.55 | GNUflower | how do I remove the leftover except 686 package I'm using now? |
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| 18:29.18 | GNUflower | anyone? |
| 18:29.33 | nsadmin | asdf: you -are- here! |
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| 18:29.43 | chops1 | GNUflower: Do you mean remove them from the bootloader list, or remove the packages from your system? |
| 18:29.50 | smokes | someone mentioned the desktop manager earlier, any bugs in GNOME that cause this straight out of install? |
| 18:29.58 | GNUflower | both actutally |
| 18:30.14 | asdf | nsadmin: well, once i got herthen e i was here ;) |
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| 18:30.26 | GNUflower | ... |
| 18:30.27 | valdyn | smokes: gnome cannot cause this |
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| 18:30.57 | morenojee | hello....I want to know the command line for checking DVD/CD media for read errors....anyone suggests |
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| 18:31.19 | chops1 | GNUflower: First remove the packages if you're going to do both. 'aptitude remove' (you can use: dpkg -l "linux-image-*" | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2;}' to get a list of installed kernel packages) |
| 18:31.19 | smokes | GNUflower:you try apt-get remove? it might take a while though... |
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| 18:31.44 | GNUflower | hm. |
| 18:32.14 | keith4 | any way to see who's connected to NFS exports? |
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| 18:32.38 | chops1 | keith4: IIRC NFS is stateless; there's no "connected to" to check unfortunately |
| 18:32.45 | keith4 | oh, right. duh |
| 18:32.48 | smokes | Got any ideas, need me to try and give any system data, you might have to talk me through it, I'm lame :) |
| 18:32.58 | hercynium | anybody here a debuild / dpkg-buildpackage guru? I'm looking for a way to build a single binary package from a source package that normally builds multiple binary packages, and I'm just plain stumped. |
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| 18:33.23 | mjt | hercynium: it's not supported really |
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| 18:33.28 | GNUflower | I'm confused still. |
| 18:33.56 | nsadmin | hercynium: there might be a make target for that |
| 18:34.05 | hercynium | well, that explains why I can't find the docs for it! :) |
| 18:34.14 | remur_030 | Good day, my scripts start running before network is up, the offending scripts are rc2.d/S20*, networking is rcS.d/S40networking |
| 18:34.24 | morenojee | hello....I want to know the command line for checking DVD/CD media for read errors....anyone suggests |
| 18:34.31 | valdyn | remur_030: so fix your scripts |
| 18:34.33 | Pnux | hey, i have myqsl running, which was auto installed with KDE4 (i assume). The thing is that i need a mysql server for web deving. Is it possible to use the same server for both? If so, how? |
| 18:34.33 | chops1 | GNUflower: Paste this into a shell to list all your installed kernel packages: dpkg -l "linux-image-*" | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2;}' |
| 18:34.40 | chops1 | GNUflower: When you run that, do you get a list of package names? |
| 18:34.41 | mjt | hercynium: some packages may provide necessary (custom) targets, but usually it's not done |
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| 18:35.01 | hercynium | ah! I see... I didn't think of that |
| 18:35.02 | nsadmin | morenojee: you could compare it to an existing image |
| 18:35.06 | Dunge | How do I get the cross-compiler package g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi on ubuntu? I tried adding the emdebian address to apt-get source list, but it tells me "Depends: libgomp1 (>= 4.3.2-1.1) but 4.3.2-1ubuntu12 is to be installed" .. Which is the same version but ubuntu instead of Debian |
| 18:35.12 | remur_030 | valdyn: they are not my scripts but plain debian scripts, the links should be correct already, the boot order should be ok based on the numbers |
| 18:35.21 | GNUflower | nope |
| 18:35.26 | cmyers_work | dpkg: tell Dunge about ubuntu |
| 18:35.39 | hercynium | so instead of a "binary" target I could add to the rules file a "foo" target that only makes the package I want |
| 18:35.43 | GNUflower | oh hold on |
| 18:35.44 | chops1 | GNUflower: Can you pastebin your execution of that command and what you get as the output? |
| 18:35.46 | nsadmin | Dunge: this channel isn't about ubuntu |
| 18:36.03 | hercynium | ok, mjt, nsadmin thanks again #debian :) |
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| 18:36.10 | Dunge | nsadmin : yeah but you know... #ubuntu is a bit unresponsive |
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| 18:36.11 | GNUflower | aha got it |
| 18:36.20 | cmyers_work | Dunge: and? |
| 18:36.36 | GNUflower | how do I see which package I'm currently on? |
| 18:36.41 | valdyn | remur_030: debians networking is in /etc/rcS, not /etc/rc2 |
| 18:36.49 | Dunge | and this is 50% about ubuntu and 50% about debian, and I need an answer and you probably know it |
| 18:36.51 | chops1 | Dunge: I want a sandwich, and no one's making me one... does that mean I should go to #debian and ask someone for help? :-) |
| 18:36.52 | stew | Dunge: perhaps try a web forum or a mailing list then |
| 18:36.54 | nsadmin | Dunge: that's independent |
| 18:37.00 | chops1 | GNUflower: uname -a |
| 18:37.04 | stew | Dunge: your question is off-topic for this channel |
| 18:37.21 | valdyn | remur_030: and rcS is started before rc2 |
| 18:37.27 | remur_030 | valdyn: yeah, that's why I just wrote, rcS should run and finish before rc2, but rc2 started before rcS finished |
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| 18:37.35 | valdyn | remur_030: it doesnt do that |
| 18:37.42 | GNUflower | Linux jason 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:37.45 | GNUflower | ok then |
| 18:37.47 | nsadmin | I'll pose one that's on topic... is there a cross env for debian that produces code for arm? |
| 18:37.50 | GNUflower | I think I'm ready |
| 18:37.55 | valdyn | remur_030: your error is elsewhere, maybe your netork interfaces are not on auto |
| 18:38.00 | nsadmin | if so what's involved |
| 18:38.13 | chops1 | remur_030: Can you pastebin the full contents of /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d and the offending behavior you're talking about (the output of the startup script)? |
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| 18:38.24 | chops1 | GNUflower: Make sure not to remove your existing kernel :-) |
| 18:38.30 | remur_030 | valdyn: ok I'll check my network settings for any wierd stuff |
| 18:38.39 | GNUflower | that's why I ask you chops1 |
| 18:38.41 | Dunge | yes there is and it's exactly what I'm trying to install to be able to compile into a DEBIAN armel architecture |
| 18:38.55 | Dunge | I don't think it's off-topic |
| 18:38.58 | xine | Hello there. I have slow stripes in all videos but a brand new computer, anybody knows how to speed it up? |
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| 18:39.31 | smokes | so....no one here had debian run slow right after install? |
| 18:39.38 | GNUflower | nope |
| 18:39.43 | Pnux | not at al |
| 18:39.44 | Pnux | l |
| 18:39.57 | Dunge | nsadmin : Let's say i'm on Windows and ask how to install Debian,... you will help me..... so if I'm on ubuntu and ask how to install debian armel, why is it off-topic? |
| 18:40.03 | GNUflower | I'll guess I'll leave it alone |
| 18:40.11 | Dunge | it's perfectly on topic |
| 18:40.23 | GNUflower | Dunge because this is a Debian-only chatroom |
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| 18:40.29 | stew | Dunge: its not on topic. this channel is for end-user support of debian users, not for ubuntu support |
| 18:40.39 | GNUflower | Yes. Correct. |
| 18:40.42 | stew | Dunge: please drop it |
| 18:40.47 | cmyers_work | Dunge: are you using debian repositories and debian's apt, or are you using ubuntu repositories and ubuntu's apt? that is the difference. |
| 18:40.53 | GNUflower | drops his petals on the floor? |
| 18:41.03 | remur_030 | chops1: http://pastebin.be/19761 rcS and rc2, http://pastebin.be/19762 tail of syslog where one can see openvpn and aiccu starting to early |
| 18:41.04 | chops1 | Dunge: Installing Debian from Windows is a problem Debian attempts to solve. Installing Debian packages from Ubuntu is not. This isn't up for discussion; please drop it. |
| 18:41.17 | GNUflower | ok |
| 18:41.21 | GNUflower | hmmm... |
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| 18:41.57 | smokes | anyone know how I could try and find out what the prob is? |
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| 18:42.40 | nsadmin | smokes: you're saying it's slow and gets faster? |
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| 18:42.59 | laurus | Does anyone know when Iceweasel 3.5 will be available in the repos? |
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| 18:43.19 | avu | laurus, it already is in experimental |
| 18:43.21 | nsadmin | laurus: probably the maint |
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| 18:43.28 | laurus | Will it ever get into stable? |
| 18:43.35 | smokes | it's really slow, and then it gets normal, and repeats somewhat, basically |
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| 18:43.40 | nsadmin | no, stable is released |
| 18:43.43 | avu | laurus, when squeeze becomes stable |
| 18:43.46 | remur_030 | laurus: wenn squeeze gets released as stable |
| 18:43.47 | laurus | Oh, got it. |
| 18:43.48 | stew | and there are already remove exploits for 3.5! |
| 18:43.49 | remur_030 | *when |
| 18:43.49 | nsadmin | stable will never get new versions |
| 18:43.54 | laurus | Thanks, I didn't understand the system :p |
| 18:43.59 | nsadmin | that's what makes it stable |
| 18:44.04 | nsadmin | or part of |
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| 18:44.15 | GNUflower | I liek stable, not the beta |
| 18:44.17 | stew | (except that the last stable versions have gotten new versions of iceweasel) |
| 18:44.17 | chops1 | remur_030: Are you using dependency-based init? |
| 18:44.30 | laurus | How do you install a single package from experimental without enabling the entire repository? |
| 18:44.30 | avu | stew, a 'remove exploit' sounds like an interesting concept. remote unvoluntary software deinstallation :) |
| 18:44.39 | stew | oops, remote |
| 18:44.58 | stew | laurus: you shouldn't |
| 18:45.17 | nsadmin | laurus: it won't work on your stable installation |
| 18:45.21 | stew | laurus: mixing stable with non-stable is a bad idea. using experimental without knowing exactly what you are doing is similarly bad |
| 18:45.44 | nsadmin | and what the implications are |
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| 18:46.11 | Sebastinas | Anyone upgraded dbus lately (unstable, amd64)? It fails with chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper': No such file or directory |
| 18:46.15 | remur_030 | chops1: nope, I am not 100% sure, but I don't have insserv installed so I suppose not |
| 18:46.49 | chops1 | remur_030: Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces as well? |
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| 18:47.09 | GNUflower | wow! |
| 18:47.20 | valdyn | remur_030: are your interfaces set to audo? |
| 18:47.27 | GNUflower | I thought my printer don't like debian, but it works |
| 18:47.38 | GNUflower | weird |
| 18:47.41 | smokes | the desktop and browsers lag but not the irc....that's gotta mean something |
| 18:48.00 | remur_030 | chops1: sure http://pastebin.be/19763 |
| 18:48.10 | nsadmin | Sebastinas: the two best things you can do, are check the bts, and trace the problem down so you know what's causing it and file a bug report or add to the existing report |
| 18:48.19 | valdyn | remur_030: and they are not on audo, i already told you |
| 18:48.20 | mjt | smokes: which video driver it uses? |
| 18:48.27 | remur_030 | valdyn: I somehow have the feeling dhcp isn't the auto you are expecting, sorry I don'Ãt know the difference |
| 18:48.51 | smokes | ? I have no idea |
| 18:48.52 | valdyn | remur_030: look at the line with "auto lo" and make it "auto lo eth0" |
| 18:48.53 | chops1 | Also, does anyone know why authenticating a samba server would fail with "Failed to resolve _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.DEMIURGE.LOCAL (Success)"? See http://pastebin.com/m4c51df31 for log excerpts and such. |
| 18:48.59 | Sebastinas | nsadmin: Found nothing on the BTS. But I'll check again. |
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| 18:49.24 | nsadmin | perhaps you're the first to ever encounter the problem |
| 18:49.42 | smokes | I'd like to find out though.. |
| 18:49.59 | mjt | smokes: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:50.08 | nsadmin | and if that's the case, maybe its cause is local |
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| 18:50.18 | chops1 | remur_030: "dhcp" means to use DHCP to get an IP address when the interface comes up. "auto" means to automatically bring the interface up on boot. |
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| 18:50.57 | smokes | I'm on it, want me to pastebin the text? |
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| 18:51.13 | valdyn | remur_030: the allow-hotplug makes it being brought up asynchnously, auto makes it how you want it, you can keep both though |
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| 18:52.36 | valdyn | *asynchronously* |
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| 18:52.52 | chops1 | (Aha, the problem was that the AD server was not set as my DNS server) |
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| 18:53.31 | mjt | smokes: no, just find which video driver it uses |
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| 18:54.59 | remur_030 | valdyn: I don't get the "you can keep both though" part, when both are in it still fails |
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| 18:55.00 | twowordz | hello, anyone familiar with dpkg-divert? |
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| 18:55.28 | valdyn | remur_030: it doesnt |
| 18:55.37 | valdyn | remur_030: show your interfaces file |
| 18:55.44 | chops1 | twowordz: Don't ask to ask, just ask your question |
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| 18:56.03 | valdyn | remur_030: "auto" makes your whole system wait till the interface is configured, that is how this works |
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| 18:56.18 | Dunge | Well thanks for not helping, http://code.google.com/p/mini2440/wiki/EmdebianChroot was much more helpful |
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| 18:56.27 | smokes | X.Org Video Driver 2.0 |
| 18:56.47 | remur_030 | valdyn: thanks you are right, without the hotplug stuff it works! |
| 18:56.57 | pflanze | Which user should wpa_supplicant run as? (Or, how do you start it? Seems ifupdown stuff supports it, but won't it also run it as root?) |
| 18:57.01 | mjt | smokes: it's somewhere aroudn this lines |
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| 18:57.27 | twowordz | I made a package to install an application, I use dpkg-divert to divert a file from /etc/ but when I remove the package, dpkg-divert complains that the files is different and overwritting is not allowed |
| 18:57.28 | chops1 | remur_030: It should work even with the hotplug stuff, as long as 'auto' is in there |
| 18:57.31 | mjt | smokes: moment |
| 18:57.41 | smokes | sure |
| 18:57.44 | Mithran | What is a good tool for gathering information about monitor hardware from the command line? |
| 18:58.08 | chops1 | twowordz: If I understand you correctly, then that sounds like the right behavior -- you don't want undiverting a file to overwrite a file that's been created in the meantime |
| 18:58.13 | stew | Mithran: in the read-edid package |
| 18:58.16 | nsadmin | read-edid? |
| 18:58.45 | twowordz | chops1: then how to I go back to the file I previously backed up? |
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| 18:59.09 | Mithran | stew: Tried that, and it seems to work sometimes, but not on a newer Dell laptop I tried it on. |
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| 18:59.10 | dkr | Mithran: hwinfo |
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| 18:59.21 | chops1 | twowordz: You can move the un-diverted file out of the way, then remove the diversion moving the diverted file back into place (if the diverted file is the one you do want to be there) |
| 18:59.42 | stew | Mithran: checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 19:00.51 | twowordz | chops1: so is diverting a file a good way to protect it or am I doing this wrong? |
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| 19:01.19 | nsadmin | how would I go about using the new nvidia driver, the one that's supposed to play nice with xen? |
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| 19:01.47 | smiley979879 | how can I tell apt-get install to read the package names from a file? |
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| 19:02.10 | yurikoles | i just created simple helloworld tamplate project in KDevelop and i tried to build it |
| 19:02.11 | twowordz | chops1: really I'm just changing the resolution of usplash.conf, I want to put it back the way it was after I remove the package. I just want to make this as clean as possible |
| 19:02.12 | remur_030 | valdyn: you are right, sorry I don't know what I did wrong that it didn't work on the first try, working with allow-hotplug in now as well |
| 19:02.32 | yurikoles | ../libtool: line 2429: mkdir /.libs: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.35 | remur_030 | valdyn: thanks for the help, now to set up a static ip, unbearable slow otherwise ;-) |
| 19:02.46 | Sebastinas | nsadmin: Oh, found it. Seems to install to /debian/tmp. Thanks. |
| 19:02.52 | yurikoles | i'm usin testing |
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| 19:03.12 | twowordz | chops1: thanks for you help, I need to go to a meeting |
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| 19:03.36 | nsadmin | Sebastinas: nice job! |
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| 19:04.09 | Mithran | dkr: Looks like hwinfo will work nicely. Thank you. |
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| 19:04.20 | smiley979879 | how can I tell apt-get install to read the package names from a file...anyone know? |
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| 19:04.48 | stew | smiley979879: xargs apt-get install < filename |
| 19:04.52 | nsadmin | Sebastinas: you should now file a bug report |
| 19:04.58 | smiley979879 | thanks |
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| 19:05.02 | mjt | apt-get install `cat filename` |
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| 19:08.00 | j00bar | howdy! i'm trying to package up a daemonized program and i'd like to know what best-practices are for including an /etc/default/$daemonname file in the package -- is there a standard place to put it in my source? |
| 19:09.30 | smokes | *whistles* |
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| 19:10.43 | stew | j00bar: dh_installinit will look for it in debian/packagename.default (man dh_installinit) |
| 19:11.02 | j00bar | stew: thank you --- that's exactly what i was looking for |
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| 19:16.29 | nsadmin | all those little dh_ things have man pages; as a packager you should look at em! :) |
| 19:16.32 | malchias | how do I run a command like this using sudo (if possible even): find . *.sh -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 700 |
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| 19:16.41 | smokes | AIGLX 3D Driver claims not to support...a lot of stuff, could this be causing the lag in some way? That's about the only weird warning in Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:17.03 | jwatkins | anyone here a dbus maintainer? |
| 19:17.05 | maligor | mumble.. no ia32-zlib |
| 19:17.43 | dkr | maligor: you probably want -name "*.sh" and you can do sudo -c' foo | bar' I think |
| 19:18.00 | maligor | dkr, mistarget |
| 19:18.05 | jwatkins | dbus is not allowing me to upgrade to Sid |
| 19:18.09 | dkr | ah, sorry. malchias |
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| 19:19.06 | chops1 | jwatkins: Someone else was complaining about that earlier, check the BTS |
| 19:19.08 | e7th04sh | excuse me |
| 19:19.12 | e7th04sh | which way to the left? |
| 19:19.35 | dkr | sinister |
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| 19:19.52 | e7th04sh | oh, i'm afraid i'll be late then |
| 19:19.57 | e7th04sh | i better hurry |
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| 19:19.59 | e7th04sh | thank you |
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| 19:20.09 | malchias | dkr: thank you it's not letting me pipe sudo for some reason, thought maye I was doing something wrong |
| 19:20.11 | nsadmin | first turn right, then turn right then turn right |
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| 19:22.59 | LemensTS | hello. why is linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf the newest one when i do apt-cache search linux-headers ? i did a apt-get update before that |
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| 19:23.07 | xine | Hello there. I have slow stripes in all videos but a brand new computer, anybody knows how to speed it up? |
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| 19:23.21 | chops1 | LemensTS: Why is that strange? If you're on etch that's exactly what I'd expect. |
| 19:23.54 | LemensTS | chops1: uname -r says 2.6.28.7 |
| 19:24.15 | Dominicus | I have an identical partition on two drives that are mirror, encrypted (uses Luks), and then has lvm volumes inside of it. I need to shrink one of the partitions, and grow two other partitions. All of the partitions are ext3. Is that difficult to do? |
| 19:24.45 | Dominicus | I'm referring to the partitions internal to the lvm setup. |
| 19:24.59 | smokes | cool, journalizing |
| 19:25.04 | themill | LemensTS: then that's not a debian kernel that you're running |
| 19:25.36 | justin | Dominicus: if you are running ext3 on lvm on lcks on raid then all you should have to do is resize the volume and then grow the FS |
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| 19:25.56 | chops1 | LemensTS: Then you're probably not booting from a Debian-packaged kernel |
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| 19:26.18 | yurikoles | man gcc |
| 19:26.19 | yurikoles | No manual entry for gcc |
| 19:26.19 | yurikoles | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 19:26.21 | yurikoles | wtf? |
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| 19:26.25 | chops1 | LemensTS: If you want Debian-packaged headers for your kernel, you have to run a Debian-packaged kernel :-) |
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| 19:26.45 | Dominicus | justin: I'm never had to resize any linux partitions before, so I haven't a clue where to start. |
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| 19:27.21 | LemensTS | chops1: ok makes since, i figured it was something i was doing wrong, didnt know they did there own kernel on this server. thanks |
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| 19:28.13 | abrotman | yurikoles: gcc docs are on contrib i believe |
| 19:28.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:28.16 | mnemonic | hi |
| 19:28.28 | smokes | 2.6.26-2-686 a debian kernel? |
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| 19:28.45 | adama_ | it's a linux kernel |
| 19:28.57 | adama_ | available on debian |
| 19:29.41 | hercynium | just an update on my earlier question: I found a simple solution in this case: just remove the entries for all the non-desired packages from the control file |
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| 19:30.20 | hercynium | (I'm building imagemagick's perl modules against a custom perl) |
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| 19:30.32 | smokes | thanks adama, ah well, it was worth a shot, if I keep poking things I'm sure to find a solution eventually |
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| 19:30.37 | owen1 | which bar should i use to control my alsamixer? master or PCM? |
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| 19:30.38 | LemensTS | so if its not a debian kernel, how do i install the kernel-headers? (not sure what to search for on google...) |
| 19:31.13 | chops1 | LemensTS: If it's not a Debian kernel, you probably just want to compile against the source tree where the image was built |
| 19:31.22 | jwatkins | chops1: I have, i was wondering when someone would upload the fix? |
| 19:31.31 | chops1 | If you don't have that around anymore, then you may want to change what kernel you're running :-) |
| 19:31.49 | honschu | LemensTS: you can just copy the directories into your /usr/include/linux ... but most of the scripts will search in /usr/linux ... |
| 19:31.57 | chops1 | jwatkins: No idea. Check the BTS; ask the maintainer politely if there's no new information there. |
| 19:32.09 | jwatkins | chops1: thanks for your help |
| 19:32.18 | chops1 | jwatkins: In all likelihood the answer will be "when I get around to it" :-) |
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| 19:32.41 | jwatkins | chops1: yeah thats what I figured, thats why I wanted to come here to see if anyone had a fix |
| 19:32.46 | adama_ | smokes: I'm not sure what you were going for, I probably missed the rest of your problem |
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| 19:35.38 | chops1 | jwatkins: Not that I know of, no |
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| 19:36.01 | xine | Hello there. I have slow stripes in all videos but a brand new computer, anybody knows how to speed it up? |
| 19:36.44 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:37.36 | smokes | xine: reminds me of a codec problem I had, but that was a different OS |
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| 19:38.40 | smokes | hey, true, what's up? |
| 19:38.51 | xine | smokes: What did you do to solve it? |
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| 19:42.07 | satanas | hi, somebody knows how to do a debian live usb? |
| 19:42.18 | mnemonic | salam mohamed-ragab |
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| 19:42.54 | mohamed-ragab | mnemonic, salam |
| 19:43.10 | mohamed-ragab | mnemonic, you know me |
| 19:43.12 | owen1 | is there a debian live CD? |
| 19:43.20 | owen1 | mnemonic: ^ |
| 19:43.58 | mnemonic | mohamed-ragab> no :) |
| 19:44.07 | owen1 | mnemonic: if there is, just use unetbootin |
| 19:44.10 | mohamed-ragab | mnemonic, Nice |
| 19:44.32 | smokes | crap, I think my irc is lagging, bbl |
| 19:45.14 | mohamed-ragab | mnemonic, speak arabic |
| 19:46.06 | mnemonic | we cannot mohamed-ragab, we are on a Debian-related channel in EN |
| 19:46.15 | chellomere | !ar |
| 19:46.15 | dpkg | well, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:46.36 | mohamed-ragab | mnemonic, ok |
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| 19:46.48 | chellomere | huh, not sure that's for arabic, might be argentina |
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| 19:48.46 | brachiel | Hey... can someone explain to me what those .a files in /usr/lib are for, and why I don't have those in my /usr/lib32? At least not the one I need, so it seems |
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| 19:49.46 | dkr | brachiel: those are libraries for linking your programs to after compiling them. i.e. used for development |
| 19:49.47 | ehc | can anyone check to see if they have ionice installed on their system? mine doesn't have it |
| 19:50.00 | valdyn | !installit |
| 19:50.00 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:50.34 | ehc | !search ionice |
| 19:50.49 | valdyn | !tell ehc -about search |
| 19:50.56 | brachiel | dkr: yes, I'm trying to link something - but are those files supposed to be there before I start my linker? I have a 64-bit system and am trying to compile 32-bit software. I need to do a static link to libGLU but with the 32-bit version. |
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| 19:51.08 | brachiel | dkr: In the /usr/lib I have a libGLU.a but not in the /usr/lib32 |
| 19:51.28 | ehc | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 19:51.43 | valdyn | brachiel: probably not available |
| 19:52.21 | brachiel | so I'm screwed? |
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| 20:02.22 | pelle_k | hey, if i have any technical questions regarding libapt/apt-get/aptitude, where should i go? |
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| 20:02.40 | filePeter | pelle_k: #debian is ok |
| 20:02.56 | chellomere | as long as it's #debian's libapt/apt-get/aptitude |
| 20:03.02 | chellomere | uh, debian's |
| 20:03.13 | Esto | there was a bug in gconf: after updating to squeeze's version it makes gnome fail to start, just hanging after drawing desktop background |
| 20:03.18 | filePeter | chellomere: :-) |
| 20:03.31 | Esto | and, actualy is: i got this now aftert update again |
| 20:03.42 | pelle_k | No, it's ubuntu's. Is there a difference maybe? |
| 20:03.42 | Esto | but i heard, that it was fixed and some patch avaliable |
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| 20:03.47 | Esto | but where i can get this patch? |
| 20:03.57 | chellomere | pelle_k, yes, there are differences |
| 20:03.58 | Esto | just can't see anything here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gconf2;dist=unstable#_0_5_2 |
| 20:04.19 | themill | pelle_k: quite probably and they will know what the differences are and not us. |
| 20:04.22 | McL0VIN | i am trying to do aptitude update and i am getting W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 20:04.39 | pelle_k | Allright guys. Thanks. Will do. |
| 20:04.51 | McL0VIN | i have deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free in my /etc/apt/sources.list thu |
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| 20:07.44 | Qew | McL0VIN: have you installed debian-archive-keyring? If not, do so; you'll get a similar warning when installing it, but after that, it'll go. |
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| 20:08.49 | McL0VIN | Qew: debian-archive-keyring 2007.07.31~etch1 <--- but i am running Lenny ! hmmmm |
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| 20:10.03 | themill | McL0VIN: do you have a regular mirror in your sources.list or only security.debian.org? |
| 20:10.13 | Qew | in your sources.list, do you have something like: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:10.46 | Qew | McL0VIN: change the .uk. to whatever country you come from... although keeping it won't be fatal |
| 20:10.56 | McL0VIN | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free + deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 20:11.10 | stew | McL0VIN: which country are you in? |
| 20:11.36 | McL0VIN | stew: GOD bless America and no body else :) |
| 20:11.40 | themill | McL0VIN: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; dpkg -l libc6 aptitude dpkg debian-archive-keyring" for us |
| 20:11.42 | stew | McL0VIN: please change ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ to ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ (people shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org directly) |
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| 20:12.40 | Qew | bet he needs to do a full-upgrade, too |
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| 20:13.03 | stew | if he can, he might still have etch's aptitude ;) |
| 20:13.07 | McL0VIN | i also have this deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:13.07 | Qew | heh |
| 20:13.10 | Qew | true |
| 20:13.20 | stew | (which is why themill is asking) |
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| 20:13.46 | McL0VIN | Qew: upgrade to what? |
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| 20:14.07 | stew | McL0VIN: to lenny |
| 20:14.14 | McL0VIN | Linux bdc-srvr 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 10 16:07:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux <---uname -a |
| 20:14.19 | McL0VIN | i am on lenny |
| 20:14.34 | stew | McL0VIN: not completely, you still have at least 2 packages identified as being etch packages so far |
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| 20:14.43 | Qew | you seem to be stuck in etch, probably with some packages that have come from Lenny. You'll need to upgrade to Lenny after editing your sources.list file. |
| 20:14.55 | LordNUniv | can someone help me install the cdrtools package and not the broken wodim one? |
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| 20:15.02 | Qew | however, I need to afk now. Hope you get it fixed McL0VIN |
| 20:15.10 | themill | McL0VIN: that's not a lenny kernel, either... can you pastebin the output of that command for us? |
| 20:15.14 | thefalling | Kinda like i fixed ur mom? |
| 20:15.26 | LordNUniv | i don't understand why debian even includes wodim: it barely works on only some drives |
| 20:15.30 | McL0VIN | themill: which command |
| 20:15.35 | stew | thefalling: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:15.41 | themill | McL0VIN: [21:11] <themill> McL0VIN: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; dpkg -l libc6 aptitude dpkg debian-archive-keyring" for us |
| 20:15.42 | thefalling | Your mom includes wodim... |
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| 20:15.59 | McL0VIN | themill: sorry i didn't saw that |
| 20:16.00 | thefalling | Stew, no but ur mom has a debian related question... |
| 20:16.32 | stew | thefalling: lets talk about this privately |
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| 20:17.28 | thefalling | I talk to ur mom privatly |
| 20:17.41 | stew | thefalling: that's fine, just keep this channel on-topic please |
| 20:17.46 | McL0VIN | http://pastebin.ca/1496169 <--- themill |
| 20:17.51 | thefalling | Your moms always on topic... |
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| 20:18.14 | McL0VIN | thefalling: behave or he will kick ur ass |
| 20:18.15 | jpinx | heh |
| 20:18.34 | McL0VIN | there he is getting ready for you |
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| 20:19.31 | themill | McL0VIN: according to that output, you have *nothing* in your sources.list |
| 20:19.56 | McL0VIN | themill: how , let me pastebin my sources.list |
| 20:20.02 | McL0VIN | 1 monmento |
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| 20:21.03 | McL0VIN | http://pastebin.ca/1496174 @ themill |
| 20:22.13 | themill | McL0VIN: the syntax error on line 6 probably doesn't help |
| 20:22.41 | McL0VIN | errr i forgot deb |
| 20:23.13 | themill | McL0VIN: after fixing that, does "apt-cache policy" have a lot more output? |
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| 20:23.55 | McL0VIN | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1496181 |
| 20:23.58 | McL0VIN | :) |
| 20:24.48 | themill | there's still no entry in there for a regular mirror.... :( |
| 20:25.21 | McL0VIN | themill: something is housed and i can't figure whats up |
| 20:25.57 | themill | McL0VIN: run "apt-get update" and then "apt-cache policy" again... |
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| 20:27.43 | McL0VIN | themill: |
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| 20:27.50 | McL0VIN | ^^ http://pastebin.ca/1496185 |
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| 20:30.14 | themill | McL0VIN: ok.... now what's the output of "aptitude -F"%p %15V" search ~U" |
| 20:30.29 | stew | McL0VIN: i'd recommend running "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring ; aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade". be mindful of whatever aptitude full-upgrade might try to remove on you. |
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| 20:30.39 | stew | McL0VIN: or listen to themill, you're in good hands there |
| 20:30.56 | themill | is just curious just how out of date the rest of the box is |
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| 20:31.14 | stew | sure |
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| 20:32.00 | ranix | out-of-date doesn't really apply if sources.list is totally empty |
| 20:32.29 | themill | it wasn't though; just a recently-introduced typo |
| 20:32.35 | ranix | aah ok |
| 20:32.46 | McL0VIN | http://pastebin.ca/1496195 themill |
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| 20:35.15 | themill | McL0VIN: looks like you've got a fair bit of updating to do.... as stew said: "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring ; aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade" and just make sure that aptitude doesn't want to remove packages that you want during those upgrades |
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| 20:37.30 | McL0VIN | themill: ok, i am doing that as we speak , but may i ask you, what trigger you to say that? what did you see, so i can learn please? |
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| 20:38.34 | themill | McL0VIN: "aptitude search ~U" shouldn't ever really return anything. If it does, then you have packages on your machine with updates that are available and you should install them. You might like to learn about cron-apt to do some of this for you. /msg dpkg cron-apt |
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| 20:39.36 | ajavid | hi, problem recording in audacity. It won't record, I tried all the soundcards available to audacity |
| 20:39.42 | ajavid | not sure how/where to start troubleshooting |
| 20:39.57 | ajavid | I can hear myself in the mic, but audacity won't detect a mic signal |
| 20:40.13 | ajavid | in kde 3.5.10 i can hear it if i enable mic in kmix and talk into it, I can hear myself on spakers |
| 20:41.04 | McL0VIN | themill: okay, will add it to my list and start reading about it right away! thank you so much thu for taking the time to help me. |
| 20:42.55 | themill | McL0VIN: btw I should have got you to look at something like: 'aptitude -F"%p %15v-> %15V" search ~U' which gives a more useful output. |
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| 20:46.02 | cahoot | ajavid: capture enabled? |
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| 20:51.33 | McL0VIN | themill: what is the different between apt and aptitude ? i am confused |
| 20:51.48 | themill | dpkg: tell McL0VIN about why aptitude |
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| 20:53.22 | stew | McL0VIN: apt-get and aptitude are both programs that use libapt. each does thigs the other cant, and there is some overlap. for the overlapping functionality (like adding/removing packages) aptitude is generally smarter |
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| 20:54.00 | McL0VIN | themill: stew thank you guys |
| 20:54.27 | Pnux | hey, im using Debian Squeeze and i tried to install Skype using the .deb file provided by them and i got this error message: 'Fatal Python error: pycurl: libcurl link-time version is older than compile-time version'. Is there a way i can fix it? |
| 20:55.02 | scream_ | Pnux, use static skype. less hassle, same stuff |
| 20:55.20 | Pnux | scream_: ill try that, thanks |
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| 20:55.32 | stew | use free software, less hassle, better stuff |
| 20:55.44 | scream_ | stew, even better ;) |
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| 20:56.50 | Pnux | stew: do you know any free software that supports the skype protocol? I definetly prefer free software.. |
| 20:57.05 | stew | Pnux: nope |
| 20:57.05 | bpun | Pnux, skype is free.. but closed source |
| 20:57.16 | stew | skype isn't free |
| 20:57.37 | stew | its free as in ice cream but not free as in willy |
| 20:57.38 | Pnux | free != freeware |
| 20:57.53 | stew | but more importantly, its not free as in dfsg, which is the working definition of 'free' for this channel |
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| 20:58.48 | mquin | Pnux: skype is a very closed platform - they don't allow interoprability with third party software or systems |
| 20:59.14 | zexen_rainmore | debhelp |
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| 20:59.43 | Pnux | mquin: figured |
| 20:59.45 | remur_030 | stew: i always wonder if people have their willy free while in a chat ;-) |
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| 21:00.10 | scream_ | if only someone reverse engineered the protocol. but it seems skype binaries use some aggressive anti debugging and obfuscation techniques. |
| 21:00.11 | stew | remur_030: if you are referring to an orca, then hopefully |
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| 21:00.24 | Pnux | god, i hope so |
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| 21:00.45 | remur_030 | stew: uhh, sure |
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| 21:04.30 | ``y7 | mail /etc/network/interfaces > email@address.com <------ that should e-mail me the interfaces file in /etc/network/ correct? |
| 21:05.05 | stew | ``y7: no you want mail email@address.com < /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:05.13 | chellomere | ``y7, > is output redirection |
| 21:05.17 | ``y7 | that explains it. ty for the help |
| 21:05.25 | stew | ``y7: and you might want mail -s "subject line" email@address.com < filename |
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| 21:05.54 | ``y7 | is there anyway to add in a "from" e-mail address in there? |
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| 21:07.50 | bpun | ``y7, you can also use xclip if say you're using a webmail. cat filename |xclip , then use middle-mouse button to paste |
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| 21:08.38 | petemc | ``y7: mail -a "From: foo@bar" |
| 21:08.47 | ``y7 | awesome, thx guys |
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| 21:10.26 | LinPower21 | We have a app server that have two sata drives both at 1, 3 slots, my understanding is if I put a third sata into slot 2 that will bump off the drive in slot 3 to sdb to sdc? is that correct? |
| 21:10.45 | LinPower21 | if so, is there a way to prevent that? |
| 21:11.28 | zinx | don't refer to it as 'sda' / 'sdb' |
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| 21:11.41 | zinx | use /dev/disk/by-*/ |
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| 21:13.41 | McL0VIN | themill: take a look at this please http://pastebin.ca/1496233 |
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| 21:14.27 | Dictionary | zinc: neat :) |
| 21:14.35 | Dictionary | (zinx) |
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| 21:15.26 | petemc | LinPower21: anything stopping you from shifting the disk from slot 3 to slot 2 and putting the new disk in slot 3? |
| 21:15.46 | rahsputin | hi, where can i place this script so it will executed right after login ( no xdm,gdm etc... login ) ? http://pastebin.com/m4284232e |
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| 21:18.40 | LinPower21 | petemc: yes, the hardware support team, at this company. |
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| 21:21.33 | marciniak | Hi. Can you help me? I have no idea with using fam and lighttpd, still I have an error: (server.c.1110) could not open a fam connection, dieing. even if portmapper and famd are running. |
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| 21:22.41 | MadMoney | Why does Virtualbox take so long to compile the Linux kernel? It is still compiling after two and a half hours on a very fast machine (1.7GHz P4 Dell Latitude laptop with 512MB RAM)! |
| 21:23.11 | asg | MadMoney: it shouldn't need to compile the whole kernel, just a few modules |
| 21:23.36 | MadMoney | asg: But I am compiling the whole kernel from source. |
| 21:23.51 | MadMoney | I downloaded the kernel-source via apt. |
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| 21:24.26 | asg | MadMoney: oh, you are compiling it from within a VirtualBox session? |
| 21:24.50 | MadMoney | Yes I am. |
| 21:24.53 | MadMoney | On an XP host. |
| 21:25.46 | asg | MadMoney: how much memory does the guest have? |
| 21:25.46 | jonathanpoon | hey guys...what is the best way to obtain approximately 20TB of shared storage space across 5 different computers? |
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| 21:25.46 | MadMoney | 128MB on the guest |
| 21:25.46 | MadMoney | 512MB host |
| 21:25.46 | syslq78 | Why does aptitude sometimes remove packages while installing? |
| 21:25.46 | jonathanpoon | Is there some kind of filesystem that allows me to create one huge partition across 5 different computers over a network? |
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| 21:25.46 | asg | MadMoney: increasing it on the guest will reduce the time most likely |
| 21:25.58 | MadMoney | syslq78: To resolve conflicts or remove gratuitious (redundant) packages? |
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| 21:26.25 | asg | jonathanpoon: look at a clustering filesystem or drbd + lvm |
| 21:26.25 | syslq78 | MadMoney, I didnt know aptitude removes redundant packages |
| 21:26.30 | MadMoney | I'll see how much memory is free on the host. |
| 21:26.39 | stew | i don't know what a redundant package would be |
| 21:26.40 | MadMoney | syslq78: No idea. |
| 21:27.09 | MadMoney | stew: Perhaps I should have said multiple versions of libsdl or whatever. |
| 21:27.12 | stew | syslq78: apt keeps track of packages which were installed automatically in order to satisfy dependencies of other packages, and will remove them when they are no longer needed by packages you've explicitly requested |
| 21:27.14 | jonathanpoon | asg: is that what they use for MySQL database servers? |
| 21:27.16 | chellomere | MadMoney, 128mb is not very much |
| 21:27.22 | stew | MadMoney: it doesn't do that |
| 21:27.29 | jonathanpoon | asg: or does MySQL cluster do that as well? |
| 21:27.30 | chellomere | MadMoney, free -m |
| 21:27.38 | syslq78 | Stew thanks |
| 21:27.39 | asg | jonathanpoon: no, databases are just files in MySQL. You could put them on a clustered filesystem. |
| 21:27.42 | Wing | I'm building an iSCSI SAN box and would like to load the entire root FS into a ramdisk each boot. I think I know how to go about it, but I'm wondering if anyone's ever done something like that. |
| 21:27.48 | MadMoney | Well, the host is XP. :\ |
| 21:27.55 | chellomere | MadMoney, on the guest. |
| 21:28.08 | MadMoney | Okay. |
| 21:28.09 | jonathanpoon | asg: so MySQL cluster is more for load-balancing than for storage clustering? |
| 21:28.18 | jonathanpoon | asg: okay |
| 21:28.29 | asg | jonathanpoon: yes. MySQL can already do replication, at least in newer versions |
| 21:28.53 | jonathanpoon | asg: gotcha... |
| 21:29.03 | asg | jonathanpoon: however, if you are planning on a 20TB database, I would look at something a little more robust like PostgreSQL |
| 21:29.11 | MadMoney | Well, it has 15 m free and isn't using any swap. |
| 21:29.27 | MadMoney | The host has 69 m free. |
| 21:29.27 | chellomere | MadMoney, sounds fine then |
| 21:29.35 | jonathanpoon | asg: how is PostgreSQL better? |
| 21:29.38 | asg | MadMoney: I/O will also affect the performance since compiling involves lots of writes |
| 21:29.40 | chellomere | swapping on the hos? |
| 21:29.46 | chellomere | t |
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| 21:30.45 | asg | jonathanpoon: it is engineered for large databases and has other features; mysql is more geared to smaller web-focused read mostly database loads. Of course, others will disagree. |
| 21:31.07 | stew | asg: omglolnoway |
| 21:31.31 | asg | stew: too bad abrotman is riding his bike |
| 21:31.39 | MadMoney | It's Windows XP, of course it is swapping on the host. :) |
| 21:31.52 | chellomere | :D |
| 21:32.11 | chellomere | well, it could swap more or it could swap less |
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| 21:32.39 | MadMoney | The Windows page file is 287 MB. |
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| 21:33.05 | MadMoney | And I have 66 MB free now. |
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| 21:34.26 | MadMoney | IT looks like the Windows kernel or whatever is gobbling up an MB every four minutes. |
| 21:35.06 | MadMoney | Too bad I can't install Linux on the host yet. |
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| 21:38.36 | MadMoney | WTH, the host is down 13MB free :\ |
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| 21:38.48 | MadMoney | And virtualbox.exe isn't why. |
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| 21:39.51 | chellomere | MadMoney, I'd suggest at least doubling the RAM, 0.5gb is low for just XP... |
| 21:40.00 | MadMoney | Taskman must be lying. virtualbox.exe is shown is using only ~45 MB of memory, but free -m shows that there is 123 MB total. |
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| 21:40.33 | MadMoney | I wish I could, but health problems are draining any money I had to do that. |
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| 21:40.58 | chellomere | oh :( |
| 21:41.04 | MadMoney | I'm selling my car to pay for surgery up front because I have no insurance. |
| 21:41.26 | MadMoney | $1300 just for the IV |
| 21:41.47 | asg | MadMoney: if you run 'vmstat 2' in the linux guest, what does the 'wa' line show (wait for the second vmstat line to show before reporting the value) |
| 21:42.06 | DanDare | cant remove a package on Lenny. When trying to remove "mpd" i get: "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1". Any clue ? |
| 21:42.30 | asg | DanDare: pastebin the entire command and output |
| 21:43.15 | MadMoney | It encountered a floating point exception after about ten lines. |
| 21:43.20 | DanDare | asg: http://pastebin.com/m7f81b0d |
| 21:43.28 | LinPower21 | noob ? but can you add LVM after install linux? |
| 21:43.32 | asg | DanDare: chances are something was deleted causing the prerm script to bug out. It can be fixed by putting 'exit 0' after the shebang line in the script and removing the package again |
| 21:43.52 | MadMoney | The second line says free is 17216 and buf is 7322 |
| 21:44.02 | asg | DanDare: or /etc/init.d/mpd start ; apt-get remove mpd |
| 21:44.17 | DanDare | asg, ok. Will try this last one |
| 21:44.31 | rhodan | is there a way to know the size of a directory on a ftp server? |
| 21:44.51 | asg | MadMoney: what does the value for 'wa' at the very end of the line say? |
| 21:45.07 | rhodan | s/" a "/an |
| 21:45.11 | DanDare | asg, err dont worked. How to add the "exit 0" stuff? Where to add ? |
| 21:45.17 | sneezewort | In python I can import datetime but not DateTime which is required by psycopg. Is this a Debian thing? |
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| 21:45.55 | asg | DanDare: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mpd.prerm |
| 21:46.04 | DanDare | asg, thanks |
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| 21:46.51 | jdahm | where are the livecds for lenny? I don't want all 31 CDs, but just a livecd with the basic packages. is debian-502-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso what I need? |
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| 21:47.07 | DanDare | asg, any clue how to find the "shebang" line ? :/ |
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| 21:47.28 | asg | DanDare: it's the first one (usually #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/dash) |
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| 21:47.53 | DanDare | oh ok, very thanks |
| 21:47.56 | MadMoney | asg: 'wa' on the second line is 0, but 1 on the first line. |
| 21:48.15 | MadMoney | Later on, it went to 6. |
| 21:48.24 | DanDare | just works now master, thanks |
| 21:48.35 | craigevil | jdahm: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:48.58 | MadMoney | Is it normal for vmstat to stop with a floating point exception? Maybe virtualbox is a bit unstable. |
| 21:49.02 | asg | MadMoney: so, some I/O but not a lot to cause a problem. I was wondering if swapping on the host was causing measurable I/O wait on the guest. |
| 21:49.15 | MadMoney | Apparently not. |
| 21:49.19 | asg | MadMoney: no, it should not stop with an FP exception |
| 21:50.06 | jdahm | craigevil: thanks |
| 21:50.36 | MadMoney | I hope such FP trouble doesn't affect gcc. |
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| 21:51.06 | Codex_ | where should I announce if I made some code available under GPL license? (not sure if anyone would be interested in it though.) |
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| 21:51.24 | Polarina | Codex_: In the Internet. |
| 21:51.24 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 21:51.34 | Polarina | Codex_: You don't even have to announce anything. |
| 21:51.40 | asg | Codex_: freshmeat.net might be a good place |
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| 21:51.54 | Polarina | Codex_: You might want to try Gna! or Savannah. |
| 21:51.56 | SparFux | Hi all. |
| 21:52.14 | Codex_ | ok, I'll try freshmeat |
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| 21:52.26 | man_in_shack | anyone know of software that can merge multiple scanned images (as a montage/collage/mosaic type thing) into one based on similarities? |
| 21:52.30 | Polarina | Codex_: Just consider all options. :) |
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| 21:52.40 | Polarina | man_in_shack: Use software for that. |
| 21:52.49 | man_in_shack | Polarina, which one |
| 21:52.50 | Polarina | man_in_shack: Sorry, I thought you said website. :P |
| 21:52.54 | man_in_shack | :) |
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| 21:53.54 | Polarina | man_in_shack: Searching for "panorama" on synaptic tells me hugin is a good tool. |
| 21:53.56 | SparFux | Does debian use utf8 already on a standard basis? |
| 21:54.04 | Polarina | SparFux: Yes. |
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| 21:55.39 | Akufen | so I'm running an update through aptitude, and wanted to look at the changelog of apache (through apt), but it tries to look for the changelog in a dir that doesn't exist, is that a common problem? I usually don't use apt to look at changelogs.. |
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| 21:56.29 | dmoerner | Akufen: you have to wait a bit for new changelogs to make it to packages.d.o, until then if apache is installed look in /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 21:56.38 | man_in_shack | Polarina, looks like i found a dependency error |
| 21:56.55 | man_in_shack | hugin should depend on autopano-sift-c |
| 21:56.57 | man_in_shack | whatever that is |
| 21:57.24 | Akufen | ok thanks dmoerner |
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| 21:59.44 | man_in_shack | also, hugin is designed to work on photos |
| 21:59.54 | man_in_shack | it's trying to find exif data about how the photos were taken |
| 22:00.21 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: right, that's so it knows how to deconvolute |
| 22:00.35 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: if it doesn't find any, it just continues on |
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| 22:00.40 | man_in_shack | won't let me continue until i at least give it a HFOV value though |
| 22:01.09 | man_in_shack | so i hope this doesn't explode in my face |
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| 22:01.45 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: give it 50 or so |
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| 22:02.08 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: but you can calculate that, if you want |
| 22:02.16 | man_in_shack | how? |
| 22:03.08 | themill | McL0VIN: please ask the channel not a specific person -- that way when I'm not around, you won't be left wondering if you're being ignored or not. Are you still stuck? |
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| 22:03.43 | SparFux | Polarina: When using Unicode, I guess I have to change filenames on disc when they include umlauts? And I have to use a terminal which supports unicode? |
| 22:04.19 | Polarina | SparFux: Yes. |
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| 22:04.43 | SparFux | I feel a lot of trouble coming along! |
| 22:04.44 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: hugin has an option to do that |
| 22:05.01 | dondelelcaro | (its documentation is fairly reasonable, too) |
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| 22:07.08 | man_in_shack | well, the preview isn't whowing me anything |
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| 22:07.16 | man_in_shack | eew |
| 22:07.23 | man_in_shack | it's all rotated |
| 22:07.29 | man_in_shack | and skewed |
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| 22:08.08 | man_in_shack | dondelelcaro, there's no option for auto-calculating HFOV when i add images |
| 22:08.38 | g00se | Sparfux: umlauts aren't a problem usually |
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| 22:09.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:09.44 | man_in_shack | "The University of British Columbia has applied for a patent on the SIFT algorithm in the United States." << eew, i thought algorithms were explicitly non-patentable |
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| 22:14.07 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: not auto-calculate, but you can certainly calculate it. |
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| 22:14.20 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: if it's just a point and click, though, 50 is a good estimate |
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| 22:14.39 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: if it's a real camera, then you should know the focal length, and you can calculate it from that |
| 22:15.02 | dondelelcaro | (well, an SLR or view camera or medium format, or similar) |
| 22:15.32 | man_in_shack | ... |
| 22:15.41 | man_in_shack | dondelelcaro, it's a series of scans of a poster |
| 22:15.45 | man_in_shack | it's not photos at all |
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| 22:17.29 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: then the you want to select equirectangular as the lens type |
| 22:17.50 | themill | man_in_shack: I used hugin for that once before -- ISTR setting a very very small FOV was best so that the rest of the distortion and projection parameters were essentially unused. (or you can do it the right way as dondelelcaro is suggesting :) |
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| 22:20.12 | daishadar | is there a permanent and universal way to remap caps lock to control? it's remapped in my window manager via xmodmap, but not on my console or in my vmware virtual machine |
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| 22:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | daishadar, loadkeys for console |
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| 22:28.27 | cusco | hi |
| 22:28.39 | cusco | is there a flag for ssh client to automatically accept the rs hgost |
| 22:29.02 | cusco | sorry |
| 22:29.10 | cusco | to accept the rsa fingerprint from the host? |
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| 22:30.46 | DustyDingo | cusco: you mean permanently or just one time? |
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| 22:31.00 | cusco | DustyDingo: any... |
| 22:31.14 | cusco | permanently if possible |
| 22:31.24 | cusco | so it does not require user to input "yes" |
| 22:31.28 | Tramp | cusco: you probably mean: man ssh_config, check for StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 22:31.44 | cusco | besides that, ain't there another way? |
| 22:31.59 | nsadmin | well once it accepts it, that is permanent until/unless the host key changes |
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| 22:32.09 | DustyDingo | hm, a bash function which pipes yes when calling ssh? |
| 22:32.15 | Tramp | why should there be multiple ways? |
| 22:32.18 | jelly-hme | what other way does one need? |
| 22:32.23 | nsadmin | at which point ssh goes apeshit and says "danger will robinson" |
| 22:32.24 | cusco | DustyDingo: how can that be done? |
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| 22:32.31 | cusco | sssh blah < yes |
| 22:32.31 | cusco | ? |
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| 22:32.40 | Qew | daishadar: if you install console-setup, you can edit /etc/defaults/console-setup to make that happen. Edit the XKBOPTIONS= line to include ctrl:nocaps - that'll give you two left ctrl keys. |
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| 22:33.07 | jelly-hme | Qew: does that work for lenny? |
| 22:33.14 | Demosthenex | anyone know a timeline on pidgin migrating from unstable down to squeeze or lenny backports? |
| 22:33.24 | Badis | Hey there dudes and duettes, is anyone else having trouble subscribing to debian's mailinglists through the website? |
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| 22:33.38 | daishadar | Qew: thanks |
| 22:33.39 | jelly-hme | Demosthenex: /msg dpkg why is pidgin not in testing |
| 22:33.49 | Qew | should do. I was looking up on console-setup for other reasons, but found that answer a lot. |
| 22:34.02 | Qew | just try it and see if it works... it should |
| 22:34.17 | nsadmin | Badis: dunno :) if you are, describe... |
| 22:34.36 | DustyDingo | cusco: alias 'ssh-yes=echo yes|ssh' |
| 22:34.43 | DustyDingo | cusco: but i would be careful |
| 22:35.11 | jelly-hme | Qew: I thought console-setup dealt with hal and new xorg's input device config over hal |
| 22:35.12 | Demosthenex | bleah. that whole yahoo thing is a pita. |
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| 22:35.30 | DustyDingo | if that 'yes' doesn't get read by ssh, it will end up in the remote shell and you are calling 'yes' there ;) |
| 22:35.58 | jelly-hme | DustyDingo: yes yes YES |
| 22:36.28 | Qew | it's now pulled in by xorg in Sid, but it'll control console by itself; at least it has here. It changed my console font fine enough in Lenny. |
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| 22:36.56 | nsadmin | I think there might be an ssh option for that, this echo yes thing is not what you want, and if it's there it will be documented in man ssh |
| 22:37.15 | dkr | cusco: set StrictHostKeyChecking to "no", the default is "ask". in your ssh-config file |
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| 22:37.39 | Badis | nsadmin: at the list of mailinglists available throught lists.debian.org, there is tickboxes besides all of them, if you tick one (or how many you desire) and type your email adress at the bottom you should be able to subscribe to them, but it doesn't work, I get an access error, that says You can't use this script to subscribe more than 30 times in this short time period. |
| 22:37.39 | Badis | Please try again later, or use different means of subscribing. |
| 22:37.44 | jelly-hme | likes answers repeated multiple times |
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| 22:39.02 | Badis | and I'm talking about the list @ http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
| 22:40.13 | nsadmin | it said that the first time you tried? |
| 22:40.13 | jelly-hme | Badis: uh, did you select more than 30 lists? |
| 22:40.13 | Badis | yes |
| 22:40.37 | nsadmin | that was my next question :) |
| 22:40.58 | jelly-hme | gotta ask the obvious stupid questions... |
| 22:41.04 | Badis | well, yes, perhaps I selected more than 30 the first time I tried |
| 22:41.05 | Badis | ... |
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| 22:41.13 | jelly-hme | Badis: well then. |
| 22:41.20 | Badis | so that's the problem then |
| 22:41.34 | Badis | how long is the timeout? |
| 22:41.42 | jelly-hme | perhaps you should wait a short time period and try subscribing to a saner number of lists |
| 22:41.58 | Badis | ;) |
| 22:42.01 | Badis | I'll try that |
| 22:42.41 | nsadmin | is your computer plugged in? is your keyboard plugged in? is your hd inside your computer and power and data cable plugged in, and the other end into the disk controller? are your fingers attached to your hand? is the handbone connected to the... armbone? |
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| 22:43.14 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: yes. no. maybe. I'm a butterfly! |
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| 22:43.45 | SouthernC | anybody here know anything bout setting up raid with debian installer |
| 22:44.47 | nsadmin | SouthernC: the install guide does |
| 22:45.10 | SouthernC | the install guide doesnt explain shit |
| 22:45.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | catches jelly-hme and sticks a stainless steel needle through his body. |
| 22:45.22 | nsadmin | would you be establishing a new array, or is there an existing and formatted array? |
| 22:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not supposed to explain shit... that'd be biology |
| 22:45.38 | SouthernC | true |
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| 22:46.31 | SouthernC | i have two drives one is 750 GB other 1 TB and i basically wanna see if its possible to setup a raid 0 but with the remaining 250 GB from the big drive to use as /mnt/backup |
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| 22:46.56 | nsadmin | you don't want shit explained anyway... just smell your shoes... |
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| 22:47.10 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: raid 0 of what and what? |
| 22:47.15 | bronaugh | anyone here doing kernel packaging? |
| 22:47.24 | SouthernC | and all i can find on google is how to setup a software raid after youve installed debian |
| 22:47.29 | nsadmin | make-kpkg does that |
| 22:47.45 | bronaugh | nsadmin: yeah, asking specifically about who makes said packages. |
| 22:47.57 | bronaugh | I might have a one-line patch to submit that'll never make it into kernel but makes sense on debian. |
| 22:48.01 | bronaugh | or may make sense. |
| 22:48.04 | SouthernC | jelly-hme: i dont follow |
| 22:48.07 | nsadmin | that would be the kernel team, and waldi is on that |
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| 22:48.10 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: oh, you want to use 750GB of both devices for a raid0? |
| 22:48.14 | bronaugh | nsadmin: ok. |
| 22:48.25 | SouthernC | right |
| 22:48.25 | nsadmin | aka Bastian Blank |
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| 22:48.58 | SouthernC | but im might confused about what to do in the installer and theres not really any explanitory help |
| 22:49.03 | SouthernC | mighty* |
| 22:49.17 | bronaugh | basically fusionmpt doesn't support the wierdo 8-port MegaSR cards, which are actually based on the same chip and work with the same driver -- the only difference being the PCI ID. so the one line patch is to add that PCI ID to the list of PCI IDs supported by fusionmpt. |
| 22:49.38 | nsadmin | you might want to reserve a few gigs for non-raid partitions |
| 22:49.39 | bronaugh | suppose it'd be more than one line... gotta add it to some if's in a bunch of places. |
| 22:49.46 | bronaugh | but it's pretty much trivial. |
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| 22:50.08 | SouthernC | thats what i just said using the remaining 250 gigs for /mnt backup |
| 22:50.13 | bronaugh | main thing is it might cause a brouhaha with people who actually want to use these cards for raid5, which they're hopeless at. |
| 22:50.13 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: it should be possible. but why raid0? |
| 22:50.45 | SouthernC | twice the bandwidth |
| 22:50.58 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: for what? |
| 22:51.18 | SouthernC | data? |
| 22:51.27 | bronaugh | nsadmin: so where would I find waldi? |
| 22:51.29 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: what kind of data? |
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| 22:51.58 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: are you doing video editing or something else requiring 150MB/s or more? |
| 22:52.00 | SouthernC | the kind of data on your computer thats filled with pron |
| 22:52.15 | SouthernC | no |
| 22:52.25 | bronaugh | you just want a mainly-read pr0n archive? |
| 22:52.34 | SouthernC | .... |
| 22:52.46 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: so you just don't like your data very much, and want to make the installation less reliable? |
| 22:52.55 | SouthernC | pretty much |
| 22:53.09 | jelly-hme | all right, just wanted to know |
| 22:53.38 | jelly-hme | bronaugh: try #debian-kernel, irc.debian.org |
| 22:53.42 | SouthernC | it doesnt really matter whether its raid1 or raid0 i cant figure what im supposed to do |
| 22:54.03 | bronaugh | jelly-hme: thanks. |
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| 22:56.10 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: the partitioning thingy should have a mode where you can create partitions and assign purposes for them. Make a set of identically looking partitions on two disks (with the exception of extra space on the larger one) |
| 22:56.43 | bronaugh | naming self after happy meal ethernet? |
| 22:56.58 | jelly-hme | SouthernC: ... tell it they're going to be used for raid, then assemble a number of raid1 or raid0 or whatever devices using matching pairs of partitions on two disks |
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| 22:57.48 | jelly-home | bronaugh: there were at least two meaning there. |
| 22:57.59 | jelly-home | plural fail. |
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| 22:58.43 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 22:58.55 | SouthernC | well heres where im lost like in creating a mirrored raid1 configuration i select bolth devixces to make the raid with so now i have 3 selections raid sdb and sda etc i have 750 gigs under raid and it wont let me create any partions on that and for the other two devices i can but i thought each drive was supposed to have the same logical partitions |
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| 22:59.23 | SouthernC | and if i try to finsihs it says i have two of the same partitions etc |
| 23:00.32 | jelly-home | SouthernC: the usual way of doing soft raid in linux isn't by creating an array over the whole disk, but partitioning the devices in identical ways, then creating a number of raid arrays using matching pairs of partitions |
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| 23:01.25 | jelly-home | SouthernC: I suppose it's possible the installer doesn't even know how to deal with "an array over two whole disks", ie. doesn't know it's possible to create partitions on that array |
| 23:01.56 | nsadmin | jelly-home does that kind of raid require some sort of daemon to control it? |
| 23:01.58 | jelly-home | (it used to be that md raid arrays couldn't be partitioned) |
| 23:02.18 | jelly-home | nsadmin: no |
| 23:02.43 | SouthernC | so for bolth discs i create the exact same partitions /etc 40 gig /home 40 gig swap /var etc now i have to discs with exact same partitionms on them same size with the exception the bigger drive has /mnt backup with the free 250 gigs left over |
| 23:02.55 | jelly-home | nsadmin: that's bog standard linux soft raid |
| 23:03.13 | nsadmin | bog? |
| 23:03.19 | SouthernC | so from there how do i create the raid |
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| 23:03.36 | jelly-home | http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bog-standard.html |
| 23:04.10 | jelly-home | SouthernC: don't create the filesystems, instead tell it those partitions are going to be used for raid |
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| 23:04.48 | SouthernC | so just make the 40 gig 40 gig 40 gig etc and set them as mk_raid ? |
| 23:04.54 | SouthernC | on bolth drives |
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| 23:05.13 | jelly-home | SouthernC: something like that, yes. I don't remember the way to eg. create a raid1 from two partitions after you have them, but there should be one |
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| 23:05.49 | SouthernC | but if i do that it complains about not having a filesystem like no swap or root etc |
| 23:06.10 | jelly-home | SouthernC: if you're going to mess with raid0, I'd strongly suggest making a small raid1 at the beginning for /boot |
| 23:06.39 | jelly-home | yeah, you'll put root and swap and ... on those raid arrays |
| 23:07.21 | SouthernC | do you know of a tutoprial etc i can print out because im on the same computer so its kind of hard to digest it >? |
| 23:07.43 | SouthernC | cause ill i can find is using md after you install debian |
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| 23:09.06 | syslq78 | Guys what is the difference between pts and tty <--- for dummys? |
| 23:09.10 | jerbear | I have an encrypted root filesystem. How can I reboot the machine remotely? |
| 23:09.38 | jelly-home | SouthernC: no, sorry. The installation guide or a page on wiki.debian.org should cover the basics, but I personally have no idea if that's true. |
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| 23:10.21 | jelly-home | syslq78: /dev/pts/ entries are dynamically created and there's no fixed limit on their number |
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| 23:10.45 | SouthernC | hmm alright ill screw with and see if i can get it to work thanks |
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| 23:11.25 | syslq78 | jelly-home, so /dev/pts is pseudo terminal as in xterm and tty is login termina so basically 7 of them? |
| 23:11.32 | syslq78 | or 8 |
| 23:11.38 | bboksa | while getent passwd works fine for me (and returns my ldap users) getent group segfaults - any idea what might cause this (setup is working fine on other systems)? |
| 23:11.58 | jelly-home | syslq78: try the first google link for "devpts vs tty" |
| 23:12.08 | syslq78 | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 23:12.58 | smokes | I think I'm getting closer to finding the source of the lag, just a few questions, and I might be able to get this one licked |
| 23:13.35 | smokes | is firefox-bin an essential process? |
| 23:13.44 | jelly-home | syslq78: now I'm not sure what you mean by "tty". If you have a modern Linux installation with udev, you might not have old style tty/pty devices at all. |
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| 23:15.21 | jelly-home | syslq78: yes, /dev/tty[0-9]* are only used for Linux virtual consoles. But you might have a serial port /dev/ttyS* or usb-serial /dev/ttyUSB* |
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| 23:16.19 | jelly-home | smokes: essential for iceweasel and firefox, not very essential otherwise |
| 23:16.19 | syslq78 | jelly-home, yeah I have read (just finishing) thanks, I never got hang of this console / child process stuff so it's time I read on it |
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| 23:18.55 | syslq78 | jelly-home, all instance of gnome-terminal are started within one process????? As threads I guess? |
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| 23:20.42 | jelly-home | syslq78: I've no idea about gnome bits. |
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| 23:21.29 | jelly-home | rxvt-unicode has a similar mode of work so it might be possible |
| 23:21.31 | syslq78 | jelly-home, aha it's interesting design at least |
| 23:21.51 | syslq78 | jelly-home, it is, just checked |
| 23:21.53 | syslq78 | Thanks |
| 23:22.02 | jelly-home | plus: less memory used, probably minus: one terminal dies, all die |
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| 23:22.30 | jelly-home | much like explorer.exe on Windows |
| 23:22.32 | syslq78 | Yeah but how many times you saw terminal crash |
| 23:22.50 | syslq78 | There is always control + c if app cycles |
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| 23:23.18 | jelly-home | I wonder how it works with session management |
| 23:23.21 | Zharf | jelly-home, you can make explorer.exe spawn new processes too! :) |
| 23:23.23 | syslq78 | jelly-home, yeah but if you run explorer shell again trough task manage it restores session |
| 23:23.27 | syslq78 | in windows |
| 23:23.32 | nsadmin | never had it crash... I have had the net connection drop tho |
| 23:23.56 | syslq78 | nsadmin, so, you use nohup to prevent app to respond to sighup |
| 23:24.15 | nsadmin | well I'd personally run it in screen |
| 23:24.16 | syslq78 | At least I do that if I run something important over network |
| 23:24.31 | syslq78 | nsadmin, screen + ssh = bad idea for me |
| 23:24.41 | syslq78 | screen freezes over ssh, dunno why |
| 23:24.42 | jelly-home | ssh + screen = great idea |
| 23:24.58 | nsadmin | you run screen on the remote |
| 23:25.03 | syslq78 | Well it froze several times on several machines any ideas? |
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| 23:25.22 | jelly-home | syslq78: when doing heavy scrolling/lots of output? |
| 23:25.44 | syslq78 | jelly-home, yeah |
| 23:25.52 | jelly-home | syslq78: did a re-login and screen -r ge t your screen back? |
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| 23:26.29 | syslq78 | nah, I just opened several ssh connections and place them side by side |
| 23:26.31 | syslq78 | :=) |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | a bug like that was fixed in Debian some time ago, perhaps sarge or etch. Are your remote machines running Debian? |
| 23:26.50 | syslq78 | jelly-home, yeah reataching worked but it was constantly freezing |
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| 23:27.17 | jelly-home | (I know it's not fixed yet in RHEL4 or RHEL5) |
| 23:27.21 | syslq78 | Well at least one was running debian, one was ubuntu |
| 23:27.35 | man_in_shack | well, i'm still having a lot of trouble with hugin |
| 23:27.35 | jelly-home | possibly not the same bug then |
| 23:27.42 | man_in_shack | i think it's finding too many similar points |
| 23:27.58 | Shadowcat | kicks jelly-home |
| 23:28.01 | Shadowcat | long time no see |
| 23:28.11 | syslq78 | jelly-home, are you developer? |
| 23:28.18 | syslq78 | Debian developer I mean |
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| 23:28.30 | jelly-home | syslq78: nope |
| 23:28.40 | syslq78 | mhm |
| 23:28.50 | syslq78 | It's kickass os |
| 23:28.56 | Shadowcat | is a contributor since he codes OSS |
| 23:29.40 | Codex_ | made a savannah project submission. We'll see how long it takes until they approve it. |
| 23:30.09 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: upstream != Debian :-> |
| 23:30.10 | caden | is there an easy way to dump all of the eth1 configuration options-- like a card probe-- in debian? |
| 23:30.18 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 23:30.32 | Shadowcat | removes jelly-2.0r2 from upstream then |
| 23:30.34 | man_in_shack | i'll try doing it in smaller chunks |
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| 23:30.40 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: well, except sometimes it is |
| 23:30.56 | Shadowcat | still ain't putting you back :P |
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| 23:31.08 | man_in_shack | oh awesome |
| 23:31.08 | jelly-home | fulla bugs anyway |
| 23:31.14 | man_in_shack | smaller chunks looks like it'll work nicely :D |
| 23:31.21 | Codex_ | http://www.kotiposti.net/terop/screenshot.html |
| 23:31.22 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: yes, but that's jelly-1.0 |
| 23:31.31 | Shadowcat | I'll just not release jelly-2.0 now |
| 23:31.33 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 23:32.04 | jelly-home | if it's anything like KDE's .0 releases, noone wants it anyway |
| 23:32.20 | Shadowcat | well... it'll be an improvement over the 1.0 release |
| 23:32.30 | Shadowcat | speaking of 1.0, I'm about to switch to Gnome |
| 23:32.32 | Shadowcat | that's gonna be fun |
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| 23:45.38 | man_in_shack | ok, i think i've got this sorted out |
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| 23:45.48 | man_in_shack | have to process the scans in pairs |
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| 23:46.20 | smokes | according to "top" xorg and firefox-bin seem to be the main users of memory, and I think they're contributing to the lag, is there a command that will allow me to look at the elements making up these processes, and to trim them down? |
| 23:46.24 | bronaugh | is sysfs mounted in initrd? |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | smokes: just kill IW and see if the problem goes away |
| 23:47.15 | jpinx | smokes: ff is hard on memory |
| 23:47.16 | jelly-home | or epiphany if that's what brings the firefox-bin process up |
| 23:47.31 | abrotman | smokes: there's no need to msg me .. |
| 23:47.33 | bronaugh | smokes: xrestop might help |
| 23:47.45 | jpinx | smokes: what RAM and CPU do you have? |
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| 23:47.53 | jelly-home | smokes: RES of Xorg is misleading; it includes mapped memory of the graphic card |
| 23:48.12 | smokes | whoa, it's a lot of data. |
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| 23:49.18 | smokes | sorry, about how do I return RAM and CPU? |
| 23:50.37 | jpinx | smokes: free for RAM |
| 23:50.49 | smokes | or kill a process for that matter, kill (app) if I can remember right... |
| 23:51.09 | jpinx | smokes: cpuid for CPU |
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| 23:52.39 | smokes | I have 1236 free, 52976 used, |
| 23:53.23 | jpinx | smokes: total=? |
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| 23:55.10 | smokes | 60512 total, I'm installing cpuid...and searching for the core app of IW |
| 23:55.35 | jpinx | 60MBs of RAM? |
| 23:55.48 | jpinx | smokes: ^^ ? |
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| 23:58.08 | smokes | that's what it returned, I'm just as confused, sorry, lag |
| 23:58.19 | jpinx | smokes: ff on my old laptop typically uses about 100Mbs RAM and 35% - 40% of my 500MHz CPU |
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