| 00:00.11 | cmyers_work | it's been a while, not sure I can get more specific than that, but others around here might be more helpful |
| 00:00.13 | cmyers_work | once you get it booted |
| 00:00.16 | Liquid- | kk, thanks, i'll ask again later |
| 00:00.29 | Liquid- | when i reinstalled |
| 00:00.32 | Liquid- | i choose to not use grub |
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| 00:00.37 | Liquid- | but i can't get bootpart to work right |
| 00:00.38 | khaije|amalt | are there iso's of unstable or should i just start from testing? |
| 00:00.38 | paragon | adb: thanks I figurd it out, and got my soundcard to install...only question is what now? heh |
| 00:00.47 | Liquid- | so i'm not sure if xp home has it's own bootloader :S |
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| 00:01.02 | Liquid- | just hosed my xp install, messing around trying to get grub to install lol |
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| 00:01.13 | Liquid- | although i knew it would hose my xp install, i did it anyways, just to spite my damn system |
| 00:01.16 | cmyers_work | khaije|amalt: I grab testing, then after the base install I change my sources.list before I install anything |
| 00:01.33 | cmyers_work | I think there is no unstable cd for that reason |
| 00:01.39 | paragon | adb: btw I still don't see anything listed in proc/asound/cards ( if that matters) |
| 00:01.40 | Liquid- | i couldn't find unstable cd |
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| 00:01.41 | Liquid- | i got testing |
| 00:01.48 | Liquid- | so i dont think there is an unstable cd ;) |
| 00:01.53 | treetop | ok i got debian install and its got absolutly nothing on it how can i change the GUI X |
| 00:02.27 | adb | paragon: alsaconf and choose your card , if it is there |
| 00:02.37 | khaije|amalt | cmyers_work: works for me, just checking thx :) |
| 00:02.42 | here4thegear | Liquid-: I'm a big fan of http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/ it's a live cd with lots of nice tools... a live grub is one of those tools, so, you can use it to see if you can at least try to force your way into windows |
| 00:02.55 | Liquid- | wel |
| 00:02.57 | Liquid- | when i reinstalled |
| 00:03.00 | Liquid- | i got windows working |
| 00:03.07 | Liquid- | i just need to recover the drive now |
| 00:03.12 | Liquid- | i installed grub into the windows partition |
| 00:03.14 | Liquid- | ;) |
| 00:03.19 | Liquid- | ovewrote some dlls lol |
| 00:03.25 | paragon | adb: What do you mean? |
| 00:03.48 | adb | run alsaconf |
| 00:03.56 | here4thegear | Liquid I don't think you need to install grub though.. You can edit boot.ini in winxp... |
| 00:04.05 | paragon | I see as root. okay |
| 00:04.10 | Liquid- | i can here4thegear, but i'm not sure what i should put in the boot.ini |
| 00:04.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | aww, my xorg went funny |
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| 00:05.07 | paragon | adb: I see hda-intel (my onboard), and legacy.. |
| 00:05.09 | project2501a | what's that name of the 3-way graphical differ? |
| 00:05.14 | project2501a | gui even |
| 00:05.58 | adb | paragon: is your module listed in lsmod ? |
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| 00:07.01 | paragon | adb: only thing i see there thats related is: ctxfi |
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| 00:07.10 | adb | seems ok |
| 00:07.37 | paragon | hmm |
| 00:07.41 | hikenboot | if i wanted to see if there was a later package for grub2 that might be in debian testing and i am running lenny how would i install it would i change my apt sources to testing? |
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| 00:08.14 | khaije|amalt | if i run squeeze/sid do i get to call it squid ? |
| 00:08.45 | adb | heh |
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| 00:11.26 | lontra | sorry i lagged out if anyone replied |
| 00:11.32 | paragon | now im even more lost :p |
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| 00:23.22 | Liquid- | wow, i totally hosed everyting somehow |
| 00:23.25 | Liquid- | time to restart again :) |
| 00:23.28 | Liquid- | lol |
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| 00:28.39 | newmember | which file associates the NIC card with the interface name like eth0? |
| 00:29.17 | patrikf | newmember: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 00:29.22 | newmember | ty |
| 00:30.21 | ajavid | happy friday |
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| 00:40.46 | ajavid | hello there |
| 00:41.16 | ajavid | I am on stable, I installed tuxguitar and open a powertab file, and I got no sound, upon furthuer investigation it reports /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
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| 00:41.23 | nothingmuch | is there anything a little more modern than swapd? |
| 00:41.25 | ajavid | not sure what to do here? |
| 00:41.40 | nothingmuch | it takes too long to actually prevent OOM killing |
| 00:41.57 | nothingmuch | (this is for xen images) |
| 00:43.08 | cockroach | ajavid: do you have oss-compat installed? |
| 00:43.29 | ajavid | i A oss-compat |
| 00:43.32 | ajavid | cockroach, yes |
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| 00:44.53 | gaintsura | I'm having problems with a few things: 1) I need to find out why my iptables are all set to mangle when I boot and requires me to run an iptables-resotre myiptables.rules before I can get a connection. 2) the volume roller and all my Fn keys are not working, how can I ffix this? |
| 00:45.18 | Liquid- | before you iptables-restore |
| 00:45.21 | Liquid- | iptables -L |
| 00:45.27 | cockroach | ajavid: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 00:45.27 | cockroach | ? |
| 00:45.37 | jesseboy | anyone know why when I run http://192.168.0.10/otrs/index.pl it opens the .pl file and not runs it? |
| 00:45.39 | gaintsura | Liquid-: input/output/forward are all set to mangle |
| 00:45.46 | Liquid- | or you coudl just set the miptables.rule to be loaded on startup |
| 00:45.49 | Liquid- | then you dont have to restore |
| 00:45.50 | ajavid | cockroach, udev places "sequencer" device to /dev/snd/seq. Access to the |
| 00:45.50 | ajavid | device file autoloads snd-seq kernel module. I don't have neither |
| 00:45.50 | ajavid | /dev/sequencer device, nor symlink. |
| 00:45.56 | Liquid- | cause obviously, it's loading a different file than the one you want |
| 00:46.06 | ajavid | sequencer or symlink |
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| 00:46.32 | ajavid | im lookin around on the bts |
| 00:46.36 | gaintsura | Liquid-: I tried that, I even set a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ to do it and it does not do it |
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| 00:46.47 | Liquid- | odd o.O |
| 00:46.53 | gaintsura | indeed |
| 00:47.02 | Liquid- | i dunno why it would do that |
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| 00:47.08 | gaintsura | kind of a pita to have to run su -c fixiprules before I go browsing |
| 00:47.13 | Liquid- | yea |
| 00:47.22 | ajavid | cockroach, nope, no luck |
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| 00:47.47 | ajavid | fretsonfire |
| 00:47.49 | ajavid | open /dev/sequencer or /dev/snd/seq: No such file or directory |
| 00:47.52 | cockroach | ajavid: hrm, i have /dev/sequencer but i'm not using a debian kernel atm. do you have snd-seq-oss loaded? |
| 00:47.56 | ajavid | same |
| 00:48.00 | ajavid | here |
| 00:48.23 | ajavid | I'll launch the alsaconf script, it will unload all modules and reload them, I'll paste a list so you can see which modules of sound are loaded |
| 00:48.27 | ajavid | I don't know off hand |
| 00:48.34 | cockroach | ajavid: well, if it's a custom kernel, do you have the "OSS Sequencer API" (CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS) selected? |
| 00:48.46 | ajavid | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-dummy snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc). |
| 00:48.56 | ajavid | cockroach, currently I am on a 2.6.30 BPO kernel |
| 00:49.13 | cockroach | ajavid: ah, bpo. that's backports.org, right? |
| 00:49.18 | ajavid | cockroach, yes |
| 00:49.35 | cockroach | ajavid: i think those qualify as debian-kernels, more or less :) |
| 00:49.50 | ajavid | pretty much |
| 00:50.17 | ajavid | basically anything that uses /dev/sequences can't, beucase the symlink to whatever the actual device is, is missing |
| 00:50.23 | cockroach | ajavid: i can't seem to see snd-seq-oss in your list (maybe just my parsing skills). try "modprobe snd-seq-oss" |
| 00:50.24 | ajavid | I don't see a /dev/snd/seq eitehr |
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| 00:50.28 | ksnp | hi, anyone knows how to cross compile libgcrypt for windows ? |
| 00:50.33 | ajavid | cockroach, yes I'll do it again |
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| 00:51.00 | ajavid | cockroach, btw after alsaconf I got this |
| 00:51.01 | ajavid | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 00:51.21 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.28 | cockroach | ajavid: err, not an alsa-userspace-tools expert. in general i'm glad when it works :) |
| 00:51.44 | ajavid | $>sudo modprobe snd_seq |
| 00:52.09 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/41580/ |
| 00:52.13 | ajavid | look at lsmod|grep snd |
| 00:52.28 | ajavid | line #5 |
| 00:52.59 | cockroach | ajavid: yes, but you'll need the oss thing for /dev/sequencer |
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| 00:53.25 | ajavid | so what else do i need? |
| 00:53.32 | ajavid | what will create /dev/sequences |
| 00:53.37 | ajavid | argh. |
| 00:53.43 | cockroach | ajavid: modprobe snd-seq-oss |
| 00:54.08 | ajavid | $>sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss |
| 00:54.08 | ajavid | FATAL: Module snd_seq_oss not found. |
| 00:54.16 | ajavid | $>sudo modprobe snd_seq_oss |
| 00:54.17 | ajavid | FATAL: Module snd_seq_oss not found. |
| 00:54.24 | cockroach | hrm, sucks |
| 00:55.08 | cockroach | ajavid: out of curiosity, why aren't you using debian's 2.6.30 kernel? |
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| 00:55.35 | ajavid | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 2009-07-10 19:51 /dev/snd/seq |
| 00:55.41 | ajavid | cockroach, I'm on stable. |
| 00:55.53 | ajavid | so lets see |
| 00:55.59 | cockroach | ajavid: ah. |
| 00:56.00 | ajavid | what if go to /dev/ and create a symlink |
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| 00:56.22 | cockroach | ajavid: i'm not sure the devices are compatible, but sure, you can try. |
| 00:56.27 | adb | ajavid: modprobe snd_seq_oss works on 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
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| 00:57.12 | ajavid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-07-10 19:56 sequencer -> /dev/snd/seq |
| 00:57.54 | jesseboy | anyone know why when I run http://192.168.0.10/otrs/index.pl it opens the .pl file and not runs it? |
| 00:57.56 | ajavid | well it can't give error now lol, but i still got no sound |
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| 00:58.13 | wm4 | Debian's 2.6.30 kernels, do they mount ext3fs drives with data=ordered? |
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| 00:58.32 | ajavid | adb, I'm on 2.6.30 |
| 00:58.51 | ajavid | Linux ajavid-desktop 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 26 09:41:55 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:59.25 | project2501a | excuse me, alternative toilet-like utility? |
| 00:59.29 | paragon | adb: still here, no progress heh. |
| 00:59.30 | project2501a | don't remember the name |
| 00:59.42 | adb | ajavid: i suggested to try .29 .. |
| 01:00.12 | ajavid | oh c'mon |
| 01:00.16 | ajavid | :( |
| 01:00.20 | paragon | anyone else have any suggestions on my sound card issue (sound blaster x-fi) installed the drivers, the module is loaded, yet nothing. |
| 01:00.23 | ajavid | you're gonna make me reboot |
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| 01:00.47 | project2501a | paragon: grep sound /etc/group |
| 01:01.08 | project2501a | is your user part of the sound group? |
| 01:01.16 | adb | audio |
| 01:01.23 | project2501a | audio, excuse me |
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| 01:01.48 | project2501a | excuse me, alternative toilet-like utility? don't remember the name. got it at the tip of my tongue |
| 01:02.45 | ajavid | linux-image-2.6.29-ajavid-desktop-amd64 |
| 01:02.48 | ajavid | I got my custom kernel |
| 01:02.58 | adb | project2501a: apt-file search toilet like |
| 01:03.03 | ajavid | built with debian .29 stock config |
| 01:03.04 | project2501a | ta |
| 01:03.11 | ajavid | linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 01:03.15 | ajavid | and I got reglar backported kernel |
| 01:04.39 | adb | project2501a: apt-cache search toilet |
| 01:04.55 | ajavid | man, I finally opened powertab files and now this |
| 01:04.55 | project2501a | did that. |
| 01:05.02 | project2501a | i already have toilet installed |
| 01:05.06 | ajavid | I think I'll just boot up my fucking xp vmware machine |
| 01:05.14 | ajavid | adb, btw i successfully built it |
| 01:05.17 | project2501a | AH |
| 01:05.19 | project2501a | FIGLET |
| 01:05.19 | project2501a | ta |
| 01:05.20 | ajavid | vmware modules i mean |
| 01:05.25 | cockroach | ajavid: you built it yourself? |
| 01:05.36 | ajavid | built what |
| 01:05.44 | adb | ah |
| 01:05.50 | cockroach | ajavid: the kernel |
| 01:05.52 | ajavid | yes |
| 01:05.57 | ajavid | linux-image-2.6.29-ajavid-desktop-amd64 |
| 01:06.07 | ajavid | but I'm on the .30 bpo kernel at m |
| 01:06.17 | ajavid | I also have a linux-image-2.6.30-ajavid-desktop-amd64 |
| 01:06.24 | ajavid | and a regular .30 backported one |
| 01:06.29 | ajavid | I have a lot of kernels |
| 01:06.31 | cockroach | ajavid: ah. the one you're using right now, that's the regular one, right? |
| 01:06.32 | ajavid | i like kernels |
| 01:06.35 | ajavid | no |
| 01:06.39 | ajavid | look is the one i got |
| 01:06.52 | ajavid | exec - -o echo `uname -a` |
| 01:06.55 | ajavid | focl |
| 01:06.59 | ajavid | Linux ajavid-desktop 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 26 09:41:55 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:07.03 | euzao | hello |
| 01:07.04 | ajavid | oops, damn keyboard |
| 01:07.10 | euzao | how do I change eth0 MAC address? |
| 01:07.10 | adb | ajavid: ok , tested modprobe snd_seq_oss works on 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 ? |
| 01:07.12 | ajavid | im using ithis one right now |
| 01:07.18 | ajavid | adb, I'd have to reboot for that |
| 01:07.25 | ajavid | im trying to save my work |
| 01:07.27 | cockroach | ajavid: then verify your configuration. i'm pretty sure you're missing the option i mentioned before. |
| 01:07.41 | Tramp | euzao: and don't crosspost, you may miss answers given in other channels |
| 01:08.01 | ajavid | cockroach, how? |
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| 01:08.12 | ajavid | cockroach, which one is it in the config? I can grep for it |
| 01:08.27 | cockroach | ajavid: CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS |
| 01:08.35 | ajavid | Iused debian's .config |
| 01:08.38 | ajavid | for my kernels |
| 01:08.48 | ajavid | they are not custom really, might as well be just the same as debians |
| 01:09.00 | ajavid | ok let me see |
| 01:10.28 | ajavid | $>grep -i CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS .config |
| 01:10.28 | ajavid | CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y |
| 01:10.46 | ajavid | its true with default debian config, if I didn't change it, it should be enabled in all my kernels |
| 01:10.54 | ajavid | and I didn't change it, so it SHOULD be enabled in all my kernels |
| 01:11.07 | cockroach | ajavid: okay, you win, i'm wrong :) |
| 01:11.15 | ajavid | no |
| 01:11.18 | ajavid | I don't wanna win |
| 01:11.21 | ajavid | I just wanna sound! |
| 01:11.22 | ajavid | :( |
| 01:12.03 | cockroach | heh, but you did. now let's find out where that sequencer went. but first it's probably a good idea to try a non-custom kernel, just to eliminate possibilities. |
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| 01:12.30 | ajavid | im not on custom kernel then, just the .30 bpo |
| 01:12.37 | ajavid | I have to use high kernel cuz of ext4 |
| 01:12.49 | ajavid | so either my custom or bpo, nothing from lenny |
| 01:13.12 | cockroach | yes, .30 bpo will do fine |
| 01:13.21 | ajavid | cuz lenny .26 is too old |
| 01:13.25 | ajavid | ext4 |
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| 01:14.02 | adb | for ext4 > .28 is enough |
| 01:14.10 | ajavid | midi.sequencer=tuxguitar.sequencer |
| 01:14.26 | ajavid | what is a tuxguitar sequencer |
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| 01:15.51 | Zharf | ajavid, you want sound in tuxguitar? |
| 01:16.05 | ajavid | yes i do |
| 01:16.08 | ajavid | very much |
| 01:16.11 | Zharf | install tuxguitar-jsa |
| 01:16.18 | ajavid | yeh |
| 01:16.20 | ajavid | problem is |
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| 01:16.23 | ajavid | im on stable! |
| 01:16.24 | ajavid | 1.09 |
| 01:16.26 | ajavid | not 1.1 |
| 01:16.32 | ajavid | i told you this already |
| 01:16.35 | Zharf | stable doesn't have jsa? |
| 01:16.38 | ajavid | I have half a mind to just backport |
| 01:17.13 | ajavid | sid contains the -jsa and -oss |
| 01:17.13 | ajavid | not lenny |
| 01:17.13 | ajavid | leny only has -alsa |
| 01:17.14 | adb | tuxguitar-jsa is in lenny |
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| 01:17.20 | Zharf | Ii could never get any sound from tuxguitar without -jsa |
| 01:17.35 | ajavid | are you sure |
| 01:17.39 | ajavid | its not showing up here |
| 01:17.45 | ajavid | I looked specifically |
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| 01:17.55 | adb | judd: versions tuxguitar-jsa |
| 01:17.55 | judd | adb: tuxguitar-jsa -- sid/contrib: 1.0-1 lenny: 1.0.dak-1 sid: 1.0.dak-1 sid: 1.1-1 squeeze: 1.1-1 |
| 01:18.20 | ajavid | oh oh man |
| 01:18.23 | ajavid | I was on a wrong box |
| 01:18.25 | ajavid | oh shit |
| 01:18.27 | ajavid | fuck me running |
| 01:18.40 | ajavid | oh crapi hope didn't screw up the other box i was sshd into |
| 01:18.42 | ajavid | oh man. |
| 01:18.55 | Zharf | heh |
| 01:18.59 | Zharf | hehe |
| 01:19.09 | Liquid- | hopefully you idn't close ssh yet :P |
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| 01:19.14 | SlimG | What cli-tool do I need to play a .midi file through the PC speaker? |
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| 01:19.30 | Liquid- | that looks like an easily googled question slimg |
| 01:20.01 | jesseboy | anyone know why when I run http://192.168.0.10/otrs/index.pl it opens the .pl file and not runs it? |
| 01:20.07 | ajavid | $>tuxguitar |
| 01:20.07 | ajavid | Picked up _JAVA_OPTIONS: -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel |
| 01:20.11 | ajavid | /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 01:20.15 | SlimG | Liquid-: I've tried, but I haven't found a specific tool |
| 01:20.16 | ajavid | says /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 01:20.18 | Liquid- | prolly dont have .pl in your web server config as a script |
| 01:20.21 | Liquid- | jesseboy |
| 01:20.40 | jesseboy | in apache2.conf? |
| 01:20.50 | ajavid | sound still doesn't work and it can't find sequencer even after install jsa |
| 01:21.10 | adb | jesseboy: index.pl means is in .pl not in .en ... |
| 01:21.43 | jesseboy | what you mean |
| 01:21.55 | Liquid- | what kinda file is the .pl |
| 01:21.56 | jesseboy | perl now .en? |
| 01:22.01 | Liquid- | k, it is perl |
| 01:22.06 | jesseboy | yes |
| 01:22.07 | ajavid | no luck |
| 01:22.12 | jesseboy | in conf.d i have otrs2 |
| 01:22.15 | Liquid- | yea, you have to setup apache.conf to reconize them |
| 01:22.21 | Liquid- | i forget how to do it, as i dont use apache |
| 01:22.25 | Liquid- | i use lighttpd |
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| 01:22.37 | Liquid- | think you need to load mod_perl and stuff |
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| 01:22.59 | jesseboy | yah it's loading them |
| 01:23.05 | jesseboy | Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load |
| 01:23.10 | jesseboy | is on |
| 01:23.22 | Liquid- | then you should map .pl as a script |
| 01:23.24 | Liquid- | and it should work |
| 01:23.47 | jesseboy | where do you map that? |
| 01:23.51 | Liquid- | perl.apache.org |
| 01:24.03 | Liquid- | check the docs |
| 01:25.33 | ajavid | YES! |
| 01:25.35 | ajavid | it works |
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| 01:25.48 | ajavid | I am the fucking man, you can't hang with my shit! :) alright listen |
| 01:25.54 | adb | heh was funny http:// index.pl is usually index in .pl language not a perl script |
| 01:26.04 | adb | jesseboy: ^^ |
| 01:26.34 | jesseboy | k |
| 01:26.35 | ajavid | install timidity/freepats, edit /etc/defaults/timidity enable timitidy alsa, etc init.d timidity start, tuxguitar, go to options, enable real time nmixer and timidity port0 |
| 01:26.43 | ajavid | instead of the tuxguitar.sequencer |
| 01:26.46 | ajavid | i got sound |
| 01:26.50 | ajavid | yayayayayaya |
| 01:26.52 | jesseboy | what can I do with what you said adb? |
| 01:26.52 | wast | jesseboy, why do you want to give out remote shells, anyway |
| 01:26.53 | Liquid- | awesome ajavid ;) |
| 01:26.54 | SlimG | Anyone know of a tool that'll play a .midi file to the PC speaker? |
| 01:27.10 | ajavid | i figure this out on my own |
| 01:27.15 | ajavid | so im like extra proud of myself |
| 01:27.16 | ajavid | :D |
| 01:27.29 | adb | ajavid: calm down man |
| 01:27.41 | Zharf | timidity :( |
| 01:27.42 | ajavid | i just remembrered what i had to do in freedoom to get midi sound, same problem when in prboom |
| 01:27.54 | ajavid | i remembered i fixed it with timidity |
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| 01:28.01 | Zharf | jsa is so much easier :) |
| 01:28.06 | ajavid | doeson't work |
| 01:28.12 | Zharf | lies |
| 01:28.28 | jesseboy | wast: not givng out remote shells |
| 01:28.34 | jesseboy | trying to get otrs to work on this debian machine |
| 01:28.39 | adb | jesseboy: don't use `index` name for a script |
| 01:28.40 | Zharf | oh well, if it works, good for you |
| 01:29.14 | jesseboy | it uses that by default with the program |
| 01:29.15 | ajavid | Battling_The_Misery_Of_Oragon.ptb /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory Picked up _JAVA_OPTIONS: -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel |
| 01:29.16 | jesseboy | OTRS |
| 01:29.23 | ajavid | still shows the same error, but at least it got sound now |
| 01:29.24 | ajavid | :D |
| 01:30.25 | ajavid | I have to learn this song in half hour, I wasted half hour on fixing the damn sound |
| 01:30.31 | ajavid | got jamming tonight |
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| 01:32.44 | project2501a | paragon: grep audio /etc/group |
| 01:32.57 | kejen | on a fresh lenny install and want to change a few things in the kernel, is it best to get 2.6.26 (to keep the same headers), or does it not matter really? |
| 01:33.37 | project2501a | kejen: eh? come again? |
| 01:33.40 | paragon | project2501a: audio:x:29:username |
| 01:33.47 | jesseboy | instead of running the file index.pl it trys to download to my machine. why is that? |
| 01:33.51 | jesseboy | from the website |
| 01:33.54 | project2501a | paragon: is that your username? |
| 01:34.04 | paragon | project2501a: yes |
| 01:34.17 | adb | paragon: username ? shit name |
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| 01:34.29 | adb | oops |
| 01:34.33 | paragon | lol |
| 01:34.51 | paragon | adb: i just changed it when I posted for privacy reasons. |
| 01:35.24 | paragon | but it the output is correct. |
| 01:35.46 | kejen | project2501a: will building a kernel 2.6.30 for example cause any problems? Or is it best to just keep 2.6.26 |
| 01:36.25 | paragon | so if it isnot that any other ideas? |
| 01:36.29 | adb | kejen: why build ? 2.6.30 is in repos |
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| 01:37.32 | adb | paragon: alsaconf show it ? |
| 01:37.34 | kejen | adb: to change a few things around I guess |
| 01:37.55 | adb | kejen: tried 2.6.30 ? |
| 01:38.16 | kejen | adb: I have, but not on debian |
| 01:38.40 | adb | kejen: try it in debian than |
| 01:39.03 | adb | !bpo |
| 01:39.03 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 01:39.11 | adb | kejen: ^^ |
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| 01:40.10 | kejen | oh, there is already a 2.6.30 ready |
| 01:40.16 | kejen | didn't know that |
| 01:40.17 | kejen | thanks |
| 01:40.22 | adb | np |
| 01:40.34 | sfdsd | hello every1, Could you help me with kde restricts? How I can restrict "run command" into context-menu? |
| 01:40.47 | paragon | adb: no it doesn't. |
| 01:40.59 | adb | oh .. |
| 01:41.34 | paragon | adb: just intel-hd(onboard) and some legacy option. |
| 01:41.52 | adb | try reboot ? |
| 01:42.05 | paragon | no, |
| 01:42.10 | paragon | i should though. |
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| 01:42.30 | paragon | brb |
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| 01:48.43 | adb | LinuxNIT: run and see ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 01:49.26 | LinuxNIT | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-07-10 20:25 59801b46-91d9-4f27-9607-2a7249958cbb -> ../../hda1 |
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| 01:50.41 | adb | LinuxNIT: `run and see` means not here , use pastebin for that |
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| 01:51.39 | adb | dpkg: tell LinuxNIT about paste |
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| 01:52.09 | LinuxNIT | i know about paste bin.. ive always been told more than 3 lines sorry i didnt realize it was that busy |
| 01:53.32 | adb | ironic .. cat /proc/cmdline , |
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| 01:54.21 | owen1_ | how to mount ipod 4gb, 2nd gen? when i run fdisk -l i see: "Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
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| 01:54.45 | Prime | damn |
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| 01:54.56 | Prime | forgot that my tv remote also turns on/off my lappy :( |
| 01:55.07 | LinuxNIT | adb, root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet |
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| 01:57.00 | adb | uname -a , says? |
| 01:57.03 | paragon24 | adb: haha it worked... :) |
| 01:57.15 | adb | !win paragon24 |
| 01:57.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, paragon24! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:57.23 | paragon24 | heh |
| 01:57.24 | LinuxNIT | Linux server 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:58.09 | adb | LinuxNIT: anyway install 2.6.26-2*-686 |
| 01:58.32 | gasull | Hi all. How do I install Python 2.6 in Lenny? Thanks. |
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| 01:59.09 | LinuxNIT | adb, ok thanks ill give that a shot |
| 01:59.52 | adb | judd: versions python |
| 01:59.53 | judd | adb: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3 |
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| 02:00.03 | adb | gasull: ^^ |
| 02:00.13 | LinuxNIT | adb, ill have to test later, i have to go out. thanks again |
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| 02:00.38 | adb | yw LinuxNIT |
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| 02:00.47 | gasull | adb: Does it mean I cannot |
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| 02:01.28 | adb | gasull: compile it from source ? |
| 02:01.28 | gasull | ? |
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| 02:01.47 | gasull | adb: I see |
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| 02:09.29 | magyar | is virtualbox module depricated for 2.6.30? |
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| 02:12.06 | gasull | How do I add the repos for experimental: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python2.6 |
| 02:12.08 | gasull | ? |
| 02:12.43 | adb | !experimental |
| 02:12.43 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 02:15.11 | gasull | adb: Well, I don't think it will be more dangerous than compiling it myself, right? :-) Thanks |
| 02:16.08 | adb | gasull: you are master on your machine |
| 02:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | unstable/experimentla google chrome runs on Lenny out-of-the-box |
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| 02:18.36 | hesco | any clues where I might ask about using elasticfox.xpi (for AWS' EC2) with iceweasel? I'm wondering if it might work with iceweasel, or if I need to install Firefox itself. |
| 02:18.36 | else58 | Is there a place to find a debug (-g) version of vmlinux to match a released kernel? |
| 02:18.45 | gasull | jpinx-eeepc: unstable != experimental |
| 02:19.17 | craigevil | hesco: firefox extensions work with iceweasel |
| 02:19.32 | Liquid- | ok, this is fucking rediculus >.> |
| 02:19.35 | craigevil | you may have to change the user.agent in about:config from iceweasel to firefox |
| 02:19.37 | Liquid- | grub now works..... |
| 02:19.38 | Liquid- | WTF |
| 02:19.47 | Liquid- | now it just wont load debian |
| 02:19.49 | gasull | hesco: They are the the same source code |
| 02:19.49 | hesco | craigevil: how do I install it, now that I have downloaded it? |
| 02:19.56 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: meant chromium ? |
| 02:19.57 | hesco | that is what I thought |
| 02:20.18 | craigevil | an extension just drag it over iceweasel |
| 02:20.48 | hesco | and if I don't have an icon on my destop to drop it on? |
| 02:21.07 | craigevil | open iceweael and drag over it while you are running it |
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| 02:22.07 | hesco | ok, will try that |
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| 02:23.00 | jpinx-eeepc | adb yes - |
| 02:23.16 | adb | thanks jpinx-eeepc |
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| 02:23.26 | jwhiting_ | test |
| 02:23.30 | hesco | sorry to be such a cli geek, but how do I open up the directory with the xpi file so I can drag it around in the gui ??? |
| 02:23.42 | jwhiting_ | test |
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| 02:24.04 | adb | jwhiting_: test ok |
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| 02:24.20 | jwhiting_ | eh not ok |
| 02:24.21 | hesco | never mind on that, just found file browser in my menus |
| 02:24.26 | jwhiting_ | thanks though |
| 02:24.30 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: fwiw - it says "Google Chrome" in the header bar ;) |
| 02:24.32 | craigevil | hesco: try point iceweasel to it file:///pathto thexpi |
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| 02:25.07 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: i see , heh |
| 02:25.33 | hesco | thank you. I think I got it handled now |
| 02:25.36 | Liquid- | OH EM EFF GEEEEE |
| 02:25.38 | Liquid- | i am god! |
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| 02:25.54 | alsd | Liquid-: no, I am |
| 02:26.05 | Liquid- | oh man, my hands are literally shaking right now |
| 02:26.06 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: the pkg is called "unstable" and the introduction says it is experimentla - take it up with Google |
| 02:26.08 | adb | jwhiting_: witte why ? |
| 02:26.16 | Liquid- | i finally got it working! |
| 02:26.36 | adb | !win Liquid- |
| 02:26.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, Liquid-! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:26.40 | Liquid- | :D |
| 02:26.51 | Liquid- | seriously, this has taken me like, 12 hours lol |
| 02:26.55 | Liquid- | bashes grub |
| 02:27.02 | alsd | Liquid-: it's always like that the first time, you know ;) |
| 02:27.08 | Liquid- | lol |
| 02:27.22 | Liquid- | isn't first time with debian, just first time dual booting ;) |
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| 02:28.53 | adb | Liquid-: now pass to virtualbox .. |
| 02:28.55 | alsd | Liquid-: how intrepid are you! I wouldn't be doing such a thing ;) |
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| 02:31.35 | Akuw | is there any mail server gnu to register a mail account? |
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| 02:34.54 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: adb I'll say this much - google chrome browser actually *does* smooth-scroll;) |
| 02:35.45 | gasull | jpinx-eeepc: I love Chrome but I can't live w/o Firefox extensions |
| 02:37.00 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: yea - I'm missing lots too |
| 02:37.49 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: I'd like to reduce the size of the tabs, etc for the little screen on the eeepc too |
| 02:37.50 | gasull | Until I can have most of my extensions in Chrome, and only if Chrome is still faster, then I'll use Chrome |
| 02:38.24 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: it's certainly faster and uses less CPU and RAM |
| 02:39.08 | gasull | jpinx-eeepc: Sure. And each tab in its own memory thread. |
| 02:40.01 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: haven't seen that as an issue yet - only fired it up 5 minutes ago ;) |
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| 02:40.51 | gasull | jpinx-eeepc: It's a feature. If a page grabs all the CPU, you can just kill the tab. |
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| 02:41.42 | jpinx-eeepc | cool :) |
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| 02:42.01 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: I'm seeing huge CPU use while scrolling |
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| 02:45.29 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull: and top shows the individual tab usage while refreshing/scrolling/etc |
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| 02:45.35 | PsyCo | AND NOW |
| 02:45.38 | PsyCo | Boom headshot |
| 02:45.39 | PsyCo | 19:44] *** XchatZ- quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:45.41 | PsyCo | oops |
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| 02:45.49 | Zharf | .. |
| 02:45.57 | PsyCo | DCC TSEND I_AM_A_SEXY_GOD_OF_WAR1337133713371337 |
| 02:46.04 | PsyCo | head shot |
| 02:46.08 | PsyCo | mmmmmmultikill |
| 02:46.14 | Zharf | that's just too lame |
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| 02:46.20 | Zharf | sighs |
| 02:46.25 | PsyCo | Yep! |
| 02:46.33 | kejen | is the proper way to make a ramfs for the kernel to pass --initrd to make-kpkg? Or make it after? So much conflicting info on the net |
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| 02:48.32 | gasull | jpinx-eeepc: If it gets at least adblock and NoScript I'll start using it for browsing (not for development) |
| 02:49.35 | PsyCo | Prepare for DOOOM |
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| 02:49.37 | PsyCo | DCC TSEND I_am_the_god_of_debian_CLIENT_DISCONNECT_NOW_133713371337 |
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| 02:49.44 | PsyCo | well |
| 02:49.46 | PsyCo | ok |
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| 02:49.55 | PsyCo | Three |
| 02:49.58 | PsyCo | pretty good |
| 02:50.04 | PsyCo | on to #gentoo |
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| 02:50.09 | Chowder | lol |
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| 02:50.25 | adb | !ops PsyCo spam |
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| 02:50.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: PsyCo spam |
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| 02:51.24 | Liquid- | lol |
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| 02:51.27 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 02:51.28 | apt | Failed! |
| 02:51.28 | Liquid- | wow |
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| 02:53.32 | streuner_ | Is there still a need to mention OPs in that command who arent here in #d at all? |
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| 02:54.01 | mentor | It is the nature of channels that they can be joined and parted |
| 02:54.36 | streuner_ | mentors: well, true, but the last years some of them didnt... |
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| 02:54.41 | mentor | K4rl, bohanlon, Buglouse: You should probably check your IRC clients for hols. |
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| 02:55.10 | mentor | streuner_: They're still in the access list, so I guess they should stay |
| 02:55.21 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:55.29 | mentor | Unless they're not |
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| 02:57.53 | streuner_ | mentor: hm, thats very true |
| 02:59.03 | mentor | I do what I can |
| 02:59.09 | mentor | And sometimes things that I can't |
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| 02:59.46 | owen1_ | I want to use my ipod as starage device. when ineserting the usb I have those lines in dmesg: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk and Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0. |
| 02:59.49 | owen1_ | when I type sudo fdisk -l I see: Disk /dev/sdf: 4095 MB, 4095737344 bytes 126 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders Units = cylinders of 7812 * 512 = 3999744 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000 |
| 02:59.53 | owen1_ | and also "Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table" any ideas? |
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| 03:00.32 | streuner_ | USB is sometimes wired here too :-) |
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| 03:00.57 | mentor | Aren't iPods a bit evil WRT mass storage device |
| 03:01.13 | streuner_ | oh, thats an iPod? |
| 03:01.52 | streuner_ | owen1_: and that thingie running with Debian? |
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| 03:02.17 | owen1_ | mentor: they are, but i want to use it as storage. i remove the apple crap and formatted it to FAT32 |
| 03:02.44 | mentor | So, you're just using the whole disk as a FAT32 partition? |
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| 03:02.55 | mentor | Then you can just mount it and not worry about that message |
| 03:03.08 | owen1_ | mentor: cool. |
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| 03:03.35 | streuner_ | FAT is evil, it is limited to about 4 GB |
| 03:04.27 | streuner_ | /dev/sdb1 1 48631 390628476 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 03:05.02 | owen1_ | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdf /media/old_ipod/ does not work. any tips? |
| 03:05.10 | streuner_ | a WD My Book USB HD (usually formated with FAT32 |
| 03:05.47 | streuner_ | owen1_: what does "cat /proc/partitions" say? use paste.debian.net please |
| 03:06.13 | streuner_ | you mounting partitions... |
| 03:06.26 | streuner_ | for example sdf(x) |
| 03:06.37 | owen1_ | streuner_: 8 80 3999743 sdf |
| 03:06.49 | streuner_ | sdf isnt a partition |
| 03:07.43 | owen1_ | streuner_: but that's the one i am getting when typing fdisk: |
| 03:08.14 | owen1_ | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/d2af5067c |
| 03:08.22 | streuner_ | well, did you use cfdisk to make a partition? |
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| 03:08.56 | streuner_ | yeah, that looks better, so just mount the partition 1-3 |
| 03:09.00 | streuner_ | sdf |
| 03:09.19 | owen1_ | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdf /media/old_ipod/ ? |
| 03:09.30 | streuner_ | sdf3 i would guess |
| 03:09.47 | owen1_ | streuner_: ok. how do u know it's sdf3+ |
| 03:09.48 | owen1_ | ? |
| 03:09.51 | streuner_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sdf3 /media/old_ipod |
| 03:10.03 | streuner_ | because its the biggest part |
| 03:10.32 | owen1_ | streuner_: great. and it's almost 4GB. |
| 03:10.49 | owen1_ | thanks. so what is the wierd error on fdisk? |
| 03:12.21 | streuner_ | no idea, i dont know why fdisk doesnt like that table |
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| 03:18.43 | streuner_ | owen1_: there are 1 + 2 there, that could be a reason |
| 03:19.42 | streuner_ | owen1_: pre-formated stuff... |
| 03:21.46 | streuner_ | owen1_: what does "fdisk -l" say? paste.debian.net please |
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| 03:22.47 | streuner_ | owen1_: nevermind :-) |
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| 03:29.48 | adb | streuner_: there is a mac-fdisk , i presume ipod was original by apple in his style |
| 03:30.11 | adb | was originally format* |
| 03:30.18 | streuner_ | adb: hm, true |
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| 03:32.01 | tjader | I'm getting "Bus error" when trying to run apt-get/aptitude/etc, any idea what could be wrong? |
| 03:32.34 | streuner_ | strange, can you just show us the whole error and command in paste.debian.net please? |
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| 03:32.59 | tjader | That's all it says, it just prints "Bus error" and quits. |
| 03:33.15 | streuner_ | tjader: what does "dpkg -l libc6 |
| 03:33.28 | streuner_ | tjader: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 03:33.50 | tjader | ii libc6 2.9-19 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:33.56 | aaron | ii libc6 2.9-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:34.00 | adb | tjader: i had seen some error , so i throw away that pc .. |
| 03:34.11 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 03:34.11 | judd | streuner_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-19 |
| 03:34.29 | streuner_ | tjader: did you look at BTS yet? |
| 03:35.05 | tjader | streuner_, didn't find anything |
| 03:36.18 | tjader | That's a new installation made with bootstrap in a armel machine |
| 03:36.30 | adb | tjader: this pc is `long long ` in doing things ? |
| 03:36.44 | tjader | I just chrooted into it and apt-get didn't work |
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| 03:37.07 | tjader | adb, what do you mean? |
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| 03:37.38 | adb | if it still works |
| 03:37.48 | adb | apparently no |
| 03:37.58 | tjader | It is working alright. |
| 03:38.16 | tjader | It's an android g1 phone, I'm trying to get a debian chroot to work on it |
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| 03:40.19 | streuner_ | http://z.about.com/d/voip/1/0/5/0/-/-/G1-Phone.jpg <-- is that GNOME? |
| 03:40.53 | owen1 | i try to mount a usb, but don't know it's name. i run cat /proc/partitions but not sure if it's what i think it is. could it be this: 8 16 3999743 sdb ? |
| 03:41.09 | tjader | streuner_, nope |
| 03:41.13 | owen1 | (it's a 4GB usb) |
| 03:41.18 | tjader | it's a custom wm made by google. |
| 03:41.18 | streuner_ | tjader: hm, Android, ic |
| 03:42.00 | adb | tjader: tried also lenny in debootstarp + chroot ? same thing ? |
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| 03:42.27 | tjader | adb, I didn't try lenny yet, gonna try it now |
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| 03:43.52 | adb | http://gizmodo.com/5053611/hands+on-with-t+mobile-g1-android-phone ? |
| 03:44.02 | SuperMiguel | does debian have a usb-imagewriter? |
| 03:44.05 | adb | this one tjader ? |
| 03:45.13 | tjader | Yep. |
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| 03:49.55 | adb | SuperMiguel: what's usb-imagewriter? a usb photo printer ? |
| 03:50.30 | SuperMiguel | i ahve an .img and i want to write it to a flash drive to boot from it |
| 03:50.37 | SuperMiguel | en ubuntut is called usb-imagewriter |
| 03:50.41 | SuperMiguel | not sure in debian.. |
| 03:51.21 | liable | dd |
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| 03:52.30 | SuperMiguel | liable, dd if=/path/to/downloaded.img of=/media/2gb bs=1M |
| 03:52.32 | SuperMiguel | ?? |
| 03:53.41 | liable | sure |
| 03:53.43 | adb | of=/dev/sdx , sdx is usb disk/stick |
| 03:53.52 | owen1 | could this be my usb? 8 16 3999743 sdb |
| 03:54.50 | adb | owen1: try ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 03:54.58 | SuperMiguel | do i ahve to unmount it first? |
| 03:55.13 | adb | sure |
| 03:55.36 | owen1 | adb: i see sda1 and sda5 |
| 03:55.53 | liable | SuperMiguel: you dont have to mount it first |
| 03:55.58 | owen1 | adb: i think both already mounted. it's my harddrive, i guess. |
| 03:56.17 | liable | SuperMiguel: you should unmount it, yes |
| 03:56.28 | owen1 | adb: in dmseg i see [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 03:58.18 | owen1 | and fdisk -l shows that i have 4GB in sdb, so it make sense to be my usb.. |
| 03:58.27 | owen1 | but i can't mount it. |
| 03:58.31 | adb | owen1: there is a mac-fdisk , i presume ipod was originally format by apple in his style |
| 03:58.48 | owen1 | adb: but i reformated it to FAT32 |
| 03:59.30 | owen1 | adb: and already put debian on it, so i could install my os from usb if i neeed to. |
| 04:00.05 | adb | debian on FAT32 ? |
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| 04:00.39 | owen1 | that's the instructions of UNetbootin, i think. |
| 04:01.03 | adb | i dunno .. |
| 04:01.22 | adb | !usb install |
| 04:01.22 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 04:01.25 | owen1 | i mounted it befor rebotting on sdf3, now i can't seem to find it. |
| 04:01.49 | streuner_ | adb: he want to use his iphone for storage |
| 04:01.58 | owen1 | streuner_: no, |
| 04:01.59 | adb | oh , ok |
| 04:02.04 | streuner_ | owen1: no? |
| 04:02.11 | adb | ipod |
| 04:02.16 | owen1 | streuner_: i actually want to use it to 'store' UNetbootin |
| 04:02.31 | owen1 | streuner_: it was easier for me to explain it as storage. |
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| 04:04.28 | owen1 | i mounted it on sdf3, installed debian on it (via netbootin) and rebooted. i changed my bios, but it didn't recognize it as an OS and load my system as usual. and now i am trying to mount it again, but can't find it. |
| 04:04.58 | owen1 | i get Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table in fdisk -l |
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| 04:05.26 | owen1 | and see this line in cat /proc/partitions: 8 16 3999743 sdb |
| 04:06.04 | adb | owen1: fix it whit mac-fdisk |
| 04:06.19 | owen1 | adb: ok. i'll try it now. |
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| 04:09.03 | Chicago | Hi, I'm trying to figure out howcome virt-manager version 0.6.0 (default version on Lenny) will not let me choose my tap0 and tap1 network devices as the shared physical device. tap0 and tap1 do not appear on the drop down list. However, on version 0.7.0 using another linux distro, the tap0 and tap1 devices do appear on the shared physical device selection list. |
| 04:09.04 | Chicago | Why? |
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| 04:09.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | because |
| 04:09.32 | SuperMiguel | is debin any good to learn linux? |
| 04:09.53 | SuperMiguel | debian* |
| 04:10.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | SuperMiguel: what sort of answer do you expect to get in #debian? |
| 04:10.08 | adb | SuperMiguel: no |
| 04:10.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | adb: :) |
| 04:10.20 | Chicago | lol |
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| 04:10.33 | SuperMiguel | :P |
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| 04:11.03 | mjh73ca | Can I install Debian onto a NSLU2 using a NFS share as the drive? |
| 04:11.30 | Chicago | Kamping_Kaiser, do you have any further explanation? |
| 04:11.55 | tjader | just in case this may help someone help me, output of strace apt-get: http://pastebin.com/d3c146f64 |
| 04:12.27 | mjh73ca | I have an NSLU2 (a small embedded computer) that I had been running debian on with a 1 GB USB flash drive as the system drive. But I think I burnt out the flash drive. I would like to use a NFS export from another computer as the drive for it |
| 04:12.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Chicago: its likely a feature in the new version, so you wont find it in the shipped version |
| 04:13.32 | Chicago | Kamping_Kaiser, I've got an open question in #virt on OFTC IRC asking the same question... to get their perspective. |
| 04:14.14 | Chicago | Kamping_Kaiser, my next step if I don't find objective reasoning is to see if it's a permissions issue with the libvirt group.... but my gut says you're probably right.... |
| 04:14.49 | kejen | SuperMiguel: any linux is good to learn linux |
| 04:15.02 | mjh73ca | Nope, you need to use Windows to learn Linux. :) |
| 04:15.10 | mjh73ca | Of course it is. |
| 04:15.24 | mjh73ca | You need to play with Linux to be able to get comfortable with it and learn it |
| 04:15.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Chicago: check the changelog on $working_distro and see if it meantions 'woo new tap stuff' |
| 04:15.46 | Chicago | SuperMiguel, before you start burning installer CDs... find the documentation and read through it.... wouldn't want you installing 386 on your amd64. |
| 04:15.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk for food, so gl |
| 04:16.15 | Chicago | danke |
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| 04:16.58 | SuperMiguel | it was just a joke... making fun of the other guy that was asking about a flash drive |
| 04:17.20 | mjh73ca | I have a question regarding a flash drive...sort |
| 04:17.36 | mjh73ca | sorta even |
| 04:17.44 | SuperMiguel | shot |
| 04:18.00 | Chicago | shoot even |
| 04:18.11 | mjh73ca | More about stopping the use of a flash drive and make debian boot off a NFS share |
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| 04:18.39 | SuperMiguel | kinda like a PXE server? |
| 04:18.41 | Chicago | mjh73ca, you'll probably need a TFTP server, a DHCP server and an NFS server... |
| 04:19.18 | mjh73ca | TFTP no problem, DHCP no problem, NFS no problem. I have a PXE server too, but I want to run an embedded machine without a drive |
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| 04:19.57 | Chicago | PXE server too huh....? I thought that's what the dhcpd.conf and TFTP server do for you. |
| 04:20.22 | Chicago | That's the Root on NFS kernel option. |
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| 04:20.27 | mjh73ca | Well, the PXE for me is a combination of a Cisco router for the DHCP and a linux box doing TFTP |
| 04:20.50 | Chicago | mjh73ca, are you just fishing for the kernel init line? root= ? |
| 04:20.56 | BubbaT | When I boot using grub how can I change the runlevel? |
| 04:21.04 | mjh73ca | Okay. So is there any real documentation on the root on nfs? |
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| 04:21.44 | Chicago | mjh73ca, yeah... what exactly are you asking? |
| 04:21.59 | mjh73ca | Well, the kernel init line is part of it, but since I want to run it on a NSLU2 (Linksys network storage device) I need to get the kernel option into the flash somehow. |
| 04:22.10 | Chicago | BubbaT, you could hit 'e' from the grub boot menu in order to change the kernel init to set single user mode. |
| 04:22.35 | BubbaT | Thanks Chicago. Too bad about the Cubs today. |
| 04:22.38 | Chicago | Uh |
| 04:23.32 | adb | mjh73ca: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/HomePage |
| 04:23.37 | Chicago | mjh73ca, when your dhcpd.conf tells the NSLU2 where the 'next-server' is... it will receive the boot loader and in the boot loader you can use the 'menu.lst' for grub, no? |
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| 04:24.37 | owen1 | i run gparted in it looks like my usb is in sdb. it say 'unallocated'. should i try to format it again? |
| 04:24.56 | mjh73ca | adb: That doesn't really cover using the NFS server on a different machine for the disk |
| 04:25.05 | Chicago | owen1, usually you format a partition, rather than a block device. |
| 04:25.25 | Chicago | mjh73ca, the nfsroot= directive could be 192.168.99.99 |
| 04:25.42 | owen1 | Chicago: sure. not sure how to format the partition and not the block. |
| 04:26.05 | owen1 | Chicago: it say: 3.81 GB unallocated. |
| 04:26.07 | Chicago | owen1, do there exist partition such as sdb1? |
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| 04:26.29 | mjh73ca | Chicago: The machine boots from flash and up until April when the flash drive bombed it was running from a USB flash drive. I will look into the nfsroot= directive |
| 04:26.50 | owen1 | Chicago: 8 1 239641573 sda1 and 8 5 4554396 sda5 |
| 04:27.09 | Chicago | owen1, careful there cowboy... that's the wrong one... that is sda. |
| 04:27.31 | owen1 | Chicago: there is no sdb1 or 2, just sdb. |
| 04:28.01 | Chicago | owen1, as long as its not an ipod like device with a mac partition, then fdisk /dev/sdb and create a primary partition. |
| 04:28.02 | owen1 | someone recomended mac-fdisk but i can't find good step by step of using it. |
| 04:28.29 | owen1 | Chicago: it is old ipod, |
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| 04:29.08 | Chicago | owen1, if it is HFS+ or something like that... then you need support for those in the kernel. (I'm newish to Debian details like this one, so I'm not sure if it's bundled out of the box).... |
| 04:29.32 | owen1 | Chicago: i formatted it to FAT32 and put debian with UNetbootin. |
| 04:29.46 | Chicago | haha |
| 04:29.47 | Chicago | cool. |
| 04:29.52 | owen1 | Chicago: yes, it was HFS+ |
| 04:29.58 | adb | mjh73ca: sure your nslu2 is pxe booting capable ? |
| 04:30.07 | owen1 | Chicago: but i used pparted to format it. |
| 04:30.16 | mjh73ca | No, it is not PXE capable. You guys brought up PXE :) |
| 04:30.21 | Chicago | owen1, if you want to do HFS+ again, (do you?) you could do 'cfdisk -z /dev/sdb' which will zero the partition table... and then you can save that... |
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| 04:30.39 | owen1 | Chicago: i don't need it as ipod. |
| 04:30.53 | owen1 | Chicago: i want to have my debian on it, so i can install from usb. |
| 04:30.55 | adb | mjh73ca: so your done ... |
| 04:31.05 | Chicago | owen1, then you could 'cfdisk -z /dev/sdb' and add a primary partition of type 83.... and then format it. |
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| 04:31.22 | owen1 | Chicago: let me try. |
| 04:31.38 | mjh73ca | No, I just don't want to use a flash drive anymore. I would rather use a NFS share. I might just play and see what I can come up with |
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| 04:32.44 | adb | mjh73ca: w/o pxe he can't boot anything |
| 04:33.01 | mjh73ca | It will boot from its flash, but just need the data somewhere |
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| 04:33.16 | owen1 | Chicago: i choose 'create new partition' |
| 04:33.28 | owen1 | Chicago: is it primary or logical? |
| 04:33.45 | adb | p |
| 04:34.21 | Chicago | owen1, and after you create it, mark it bootable. |
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| 04:35.41 | owen1 | done, let's see if i see it now. |
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| 04:37.45 | sfdsd | anybody use lh_config\lh_build so as to build own debian image? |
| 04:38.21 | sfdsd | how I ca mount /home in enother partition my flash-drive? |
| 04:38.51 | Chicago | sfdsd, change /etc/fstab |
| 04:38.51 | owen1 | looks good, what is the type in the mount command? |
| 04:39.05 | Chicago | owen1, you should know, if you've already formatted it... |
| 04:39.12 | Chicago | owen1, at this point you've only partitioned it. |
| 04:39.13 | owen1 | Chicago: i tried ext3 |
| 04:39.17 | owen1 | and auto |
| 04:39.20 | owen1 | and -l |
| 04:39.23 | Chicago | ^^ |
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| 04:39.46 | owen1 | sudo mount -l /dev/sdb1 /media/old_ipod/ doesn't work |
| 04:39.47 | adb | sfdsd: http://people.debian.org/~ron/live-cd.txt |
| 04:40.02 | Chicago | owen1, 'man mkfs' |
| 04:40.06 | owen1 | ko |
| 04:40.06 | owen1 | ok |
| 04:44.00 | owen1 | i run it without the 'block' parameter. i hope it's ok. |
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| 04:47.27 | owen1 | Chicago: thank you! works. is gparted uses internally cfdisk and mkfs? |
| 04:47.50 | Chicago | dunno |
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| 04:57.22 | eightyeight | why use dpkg-query when dpkg can support all the options natively? |
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| 04:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | fun? |
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| 05:01.14 | Hanibana | hi all |
| 05:01.41 | eightyeight | CutMeOwnThroat: is that it? just for fun? why have the dpkg-query command around at all then? |
| 05:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg-query is factor 4 smaller... actually I suspect that dpkg is using dpkg-query for the database stuff |
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| 05:02.10 | eightyeight | a smaller binary doesn't necessarily mean a lot |
| 05:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity the manpage doesn't give a reason why it exists |
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| 05:03.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | eightyeight, run strace -f -F -e execve dpkg -s libc6\* |
| 05:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you see I'm right |
| 05:04.04 | eightyeight | what? that the binary is smaller? i can see that with ls -lh |
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| 05:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:04.50 | eightyeight | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh, i see. it calls dpkg-query |
| 05:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so who wrote this kept the installing-stuff separate from the database-stuff |
| 05:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably apt-get/aptitude also call this directly |
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| 05:07.32 | Shtl | Hello All |
| 05:07.38 | Chicago | Shtl, hello |
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| 05:08.32 | eightyeight | CutMeOwnThroat: most likely. still, i would think that either `dpkg` would not support query options, or `dpkg-query` would be deprecated |
| 05:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg just passes them through... |
| 05:09.01 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 05:09.09 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 05:09.35 | eightyeight | CutMeOwnThroat: right. i understand. just seems silly is all |
| 05:09.36 | adb | dpkg, calm down |
| 05:09.36 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, adb |
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| 05:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chicago, the heat finally got you again, windy city |
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| 05:10.16 | Chicago | CutMeOwnThroat, rain and heat yes. I am about 100 miles away from Chicago today. |
| 05:10.43 | Chicago | CutMeOwnThroat, but the weather this evening was satisfactory for the Michael Jackson Memorial in Gary, IN... about 30 miles from downtown Chicago. |
| 05:10.47 | Hanibana | I have a server with special hardware that its Ethernet card not identified during Debian installation. instead after installation, I compile the driver and load its module... is there any way to put this module in Debian CD which be loaded during OS installation and the interface be identified? |
| 05:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, try again :) |
| 05:10.59 | Shtl | Chicago: i have 2 NICs to my PC, eth0-inet addr:192.168.1.54 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0, and eth1-inet addr:192.168.2.54 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0, eth0-is incoming line from ISP, and eth1 is to LAN PCs through a switch, but i cant able to access internet in LAN PCs, can u please help me out? |
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| 05:11.34 | neoice | anyone know of a good way to investigate a process beyond 'lsof' ? |
| 05:11.36 | Chicago | Shtl, sounds like you should put DHCP on eth0 NIC connected to ISP! |
| 05:11.36 | MalaFide | Shtl,did you install ipmasq? |
| 05:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, gdb? |
| 05:12.34 | \amethyst | neoice: ls -R /proc/<pid> |
| 05:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chicago, heh... warm and humid... may he rot in peace (except for the plastic pieces) |
| 05:12.49 | \amethyst | neoice: and cat the more interesting ones |
| 05:13.01 | neoice | CutMeOwnThroat: process is already running |
| 05:13.09 | Hanibana | any idea? |
| 05:13.10 | neoice | I sure wish I had dtrace right now |
| 05:13.17 | Shtl | Chicago: means it should get ips through DHCp?? |
| 05:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, gdb can connect to running processes if you own them |
| 05:13.28 | Shtl | MalaFide: i installed |
| 05:13.40 | Chicago | Shtl, Did you assign 192.168.1.54 to eth0? |
| 05:13.54 | Shtl | yes |
| 05:14.23 | Chicago | Shtl, This is just basic networking stuff here.... does your modem act as a router and dish out dhcp on a non-routable network? |
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| 05:15.23 | Shtl | Chicago: No, its just modem no router and all, to my Linux PC i am getting internet |
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| 05:16.01 | Chicago | Shtl, check /etc/sysctl.conf and look for if you have enabled ip forwarding for ipv4. |
| 05:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hanibana, you can mount iso-images via a loop device... but last time I did that is long ago... I think that'll be read-only... |
| 05:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mount iso |
| 05:16.29 | dpkg | methinks iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 05:16.42 | Shtl | Chicago: OK |
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| 05:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hanibana, easy enough to try if you still got the image around, though |
| 05:17.59 | Shtl | Chicago: its commented, its look like this "#net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" |
| 05:18.06 | MalaFide | Shtl, you are wrong. since you get a non routable address, it`s definitely a router |
| 05:18.39 | MalaFide | Shtl,does your LAN PC have an IP and did you do any form of ip masquerading/NAT? |
| 05:18.40 | Chicago | MalaFide, ^^ he assigned the IP. |
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| 05:18.54 | \amethyst | MalaFide: who's to say the box doing NAT isn't on the ISP's end? |
| 05:19.04 | MalaFide | ChadStat,doesn`t matter |
| 05:19.11 | ChadStat | huh? |
| 05:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there just some package around that sets up bridging? |
| 05:19.19 | ChadStat | You don't matter, bitch. =P |
| 05:19.26 | Chicago | CutMeOwnThroat, libvirt |
| 05:19.28 | MalaFide | \amethyst, very uncommon except on mobile networks |
| 05:19.36 | Hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I'm working on ISO images and VirtualBox to test... |
| 05:19.40 | Chicago | CutMeOwnThroat, bridge-utils uml-utilities |
| 05:19.43 | MalaFide | CutMeOwnThroat,no. but there is one doing NAT |
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| 05:20.20 | Shtl | MalaFide: i can assign the IP to LAN PCS, one of that is like 192.168.2.XX and gateway is 192.168.2.1, is this OK? |
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| 05:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... seems a common enough task that Shtl has that someone all put it together |
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| 05:21.31 | MalaFide | CutMeOwnThroat,bridging is not common and too diverse to set up automagically |
| 05:22.21 | \amethyst | all you need to do for simple static routing should be turn on ip forwarding |
| 05:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 05:23.42 | \amethyst | I don't think bridging is necessary here, and would anyway require weird parameters on the clients (a /22 so netmask) |
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| 05:34.31 | owen1 | when my computer boots there is text in bash. where can i find this, to help me troubleshoot something ? |
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| 05:34.58 | ChadStat | huh? |
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| 05:35.44 | owen1 | i try to boot my computer from a usb, but it's not working so i want to see the log created when the machine is booted. |
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| 05:36.27 | adb | !bootlog |
| 05:36.27 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 05:36.46 | owen1 | thanks |
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| 05:44.23 | Liquid- | i was wonering if anyone know of a media server app (for debian of course) that allows instant transcoding of the media? I want to stream to my 360, but qutie a few files aren't compatible with the 360 |
| 05:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mencoder?s |
| 05:45.42 | Liquid- | o.O didn't know that could be setup as a media server |
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| 05:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps not ... but it can read/write from stdin/stdout... |
| 05:47.43 | \amethyst | I believe VLC can do it |
| 05:48.00 | Liquid- | true CutMeOwnThroat, but that would involve alot of manual labor wheni want to stream something wouldn't it? |
| 05:48.04 | Liquid- | again, with vlc |
| 05:48.13 | Liquid- | i would have to setup each file at the time i want to view it |
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| 05:48.58 | Liquid- | hmm...looks like there's apps that do the work for you though.... |
| 05:49.05 | Liquid- | hmm....thanks, i'll check into those two a little more ;) |
| 05:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, at least on my machine transcoding is still slower than viewing |
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| 05:49.17 | \amethyst | Liquid-: ffmpeg as well |
| 05:49.29 | Liquid- | ehhh, i just switchedover to debian for my home system |
| 05:49.38 | Liquid- | but when i used tversity media server, transcoding was done on the fly |
| 05:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | although of course that depends on what is done... |
| 05:49.39 | Liquid- | to my 360 |
| 05:49.45 | Liquid- | never lagged or anything |
| 05:49.46 | owen1 | adb: i set BOOTLOGD_EN |
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| 05:50.02 | owen1 | adb: enabled=Yes but still no log.. |
| 05:50.02 | Liquid- | ffmpeg is a transcoding program |
| 05:50.06 | Liquid- | but doesn't serve files, from what i know |
| 05:50.35 | \amethyst | Liquid-: the package description says it has a streaming server |
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| 05:50.46 | Liquid- | hmmm |
| 05:50.48 | \amethyst | ffserver |
| 05:51.00 | Liquid- | wonder if that would provide menu's and stuff though |
| 05:51.06 | Liquid- | to browse files |
| 05:51.06 | Liquid- | etc |
| 05:51.08 | \amethyst | doubt it |
| 05:51.13 | \amethyst | it's command-line |
| 05:51.20 | Liquid- | yea, thats kinda what i'm looking for, as i got like, 400+ videos |
| 05:51.39 | Liquid- | it looks like there's mediatomb for vlc/mencoder though |
| 05:51.44 | Liquid- | looks promising |
| 05:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "rm" would do a splendid job on compressing those :-P |
| 05:51.56 | Liquid- | i bet ;) |
| 05:52.17 | Liquid- | kind of a pain to go and get whichever dvd i want to watch |
| 05:52.20 | Liquid- | then put in the disc |
| 05:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | not lossless, though |
| 05:52.37 | Liquid- | etc. |
| 05:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, life can be so hard |
| 05:53.36 | Liquid- | i already deal with enough programming issues, any time i can save with entertainment while programming is excellent ;) |
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| 05:56.27 | bullgard4 | I have got a loadable kernel module 'snd'. What is its associated source code file name? I could not find 'snd.c' although I have installed the DEB program package linux-source-2.6.28. |
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| 05:57.22 | mbroeker | bullgard4, maybe soundcore or snd_core or similar? |
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| 05:59.07 | mbroeker | btw: i want to upgrade to a recent kernel 2.6.29++ on squeeze. is there an official repo, bpo or something which works with module-assistant? i need kernel 2.6.29++ and the nvidia-driver |
| 05:59.34 | craigevil | Liquid-: you might check out My Media System or LinuxMCE |
| 05:59.47 | Liquid- | thanks craigevil, i'll do so :) |
| 06:00.08 | bryanlharris | have been googling and looking at aptitude man page, can't find out, does anybody know a simple way to tell aptitude NOT to remove some packages? |
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| 06:00.36 | \amethyst | bullgard4: here's how I found the answer |
| 06:01.08 | \amethyst | bullgard4: I know that there's a module named snd.ko, so I grep through all the kernel Makefiles for snd.ko, but don't find anything |
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| 06:01.57 | bryanlharris | aha! have to mark it as manual I think |
| 06:02.16 | \amethyst | bullgard4: so (knowing that make has implicit rules based on file extensions) I leave off the ko and find /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.28/ -name Makefile -exec grep 'snd\.' {} + |
| 06:02.17 | bryanlharris | rather, unmarkauto |
| 06:02.22 | Shtl | Chicago: the DSL modem is router her, with gateway 192.168.1.1 |
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| 06:03.06 | \amethyst | bullgard4: that shows me a line obj-$(CONFIG_SND) += snd.o in sound/core/Makefile |
| 06:03.39 | \amethyst | bullgard4: looking at that Makefile I see snd-y := sound.o init.o memory.o info.o control.o misc.o device.o |
| 06:05.05 | \amethyst | bullgard4: I'm not 100% certain of the details of the kernel build system, but I believe that says that, to build snd.ko, you need those .o files (which are produced from C files of the same name) |
| 06:05.54 | \amethyst | bullgard4: likewise there are a few other lines like snd-$(CONFIG_ISA_DMA_API) += isadma.o that indicate something that might be included, if certain kernel options are enabled |
| 06:06.06 | MalaFide | mbroeker,m-a works with vanilla kernels |
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| 06:06.30 | \amethyst | bullgard4: so there's a list of ten or so source files, all of them in sound/core/, that go into that module |
| 06:06.59 | mbroeker | MalaFide, that sounds good. i will try it |
| 06:07.26 | Chicago | Shtl, if you are interested in doing extra work, you can shutdown the router function of most modems. |
| 06:08.46 | bryanlharris | If I place a .deb file into /var/cache/apt/archive, will I then be able to use aptitude to install that package? |
| 06:09.17 | MalaFide | bryanlharris,no |
| 06:09.37 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: I take the 'sound.o' as an indication that the associated source code file name is 'sound.c'. 'sound.c' exists on my computer and it is in the proper file hierarchy. -- Thank you very much for your help. -- I am only pperplexed that the name 'sound' is not kept all the way through the compilation (build) process. |
| 06:09.55 | bryanlharris | malafide: do you know how to install such a package cleanly/gracefully? I want the other packages to be aware I am installing this one |
| 06:10.02 | Shtl | Chicago: i can now able to Ping from LAN PCs to my main macine, but i am not getting the internet their |
| 06:10.08 | \amethyst | bullgard4: because a kernel module has a bunch of objects linked together |
| 06:10.13 | MalaFide | bryanlharris,use dpkg |
| 06:10.32 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: Thank you again. |
| 06:10.33 | bryanlharris | ah okay, thanks malafide, I was thinking dpkg -i was not going to make a recording in the logs |
| 06:11.00 | \amethyst | bullgard4: so the module's name doesn't necessarily have anything to do with any particular .o inside it, just like an executable doesn't necessarily have a source file with the same name |
| 06:11.10 | MalaFide | Shtl,do you have ip forwarding enabled on the main pc? |
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| 06:11.44 | \amethyst | bullgard4: in this case, there's probably some boring historical reason that the module is 'snd' instead of 'sound'... perhaps a lazy typist? |
| 06:11.58 | \amethyst | :) |
| 06:12.19 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: I thought of historical reasons as well. |
| 06:12.28 | Shtl | MalaFide: yaa i did it, ie in /etc/sysctl.conf and line is "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" |
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| 06:13.12 | \amethyst | Shtl: and did you apply it? does the command sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward say it is 1 ? |
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| 06:14.10 | Shtl | yaa same line is present in that file, i saved it |
| 06:14.18 | Gratz474 | whats the difference bwtween the non free java and the one in the debian repos? |
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| 06:18.25 | \amethyst | Gratz474: Sun's Java, even OpenJDK, still has some binary plugins (until recently, sound support was binary-only; SNMP still is) |
| 06:19.46 | \amethyst | Gratz474: OpenJDK replaces those parts with free code |
| 06:19.48 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, i am trying to install this thing called REd5 and i am loosing parience so fast I mean i really can't get it to work and I am thinking of everything and maybe the offical java might have a better chance |
| 06:19.57 | \amethyst | Gratz474: err icedtea rather |
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| 06:20.08 | \amethyst | Gratz474: which java are you using right now? |
| 06:20.10 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, yea maybe break alot of stuff in between you thyink? |
| 06:20.21 | Gratz474 | not usre debian 5.0 |
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| 06:20.33 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, i just know I am seriously going nuts |
| 06:20.40 | \amethyst | Gratz474: yes, but debian has a number of different java implementations |
| 06:20.49 | \amethyst | Gratz474: what does java -version say? |
| 06:22.00 | Gratz474 | ijava version "1.6.0_0" |
| 06:22.00 | Gratz474 | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b11) |
| 06:22.00 | Gratz474 | OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0_0-b11, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 06:22.29 | Gratz474 | i mean this thing wil really just not work and I don't know much about java itself but i really need to get this too work |
| 06:22.52 | Gratz474 | the red5 server is pretty common and alot of people use it sho i should not have thiis problem |
| 06:23.09 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, think i should just uninstall and get the non free version ? |
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| 06:23.39 | \amethyst | Gratz474: hm, most things that work with sun's java should work with openjdk, but yeah, you should try sun-java6-jre |
| 06:24.00 | Gratz474 | how should i go about uninstalling this 100 percent ckea? |
| 06:24.08 | Gratz474 | i dont want any issues |
| 06:24.26 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, most of the examples show that you should install the official suns java |
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| 06:25.08 | \amethyst | Gratz474: after you install sun's java, do update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 06:25.22 | \amethyst | Gratz474: that will make the sun versions the default for all the java commands |
| 06:25.37 | Gratz474 | shoudn't i just un install so there is no mistakes? |
| 06:26.03 | rozie | no need for uninstall |
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| 06:26.17 | \amethyst | Gratz474: if you want.... probably aptitude purge 'openjdk.*' would di it |
| 06:26.42 | Gratz474 | btw which one of these do i get ? |
| 06:26.42 | Gratz474 | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp |
| 06:26.42 | \amethyst | Gratz474: btw, you never mentioned what errors you were getting from openjdk ? |
| 06:26.51 | \amethyst | Gratz474: no no |
| 06:26.58 | \amethyst | Gratz474: there's a debian package for it |
| 06:27.15 | \amethyst | Gratz474: make sure non-free is in your sources.list then aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 06:27.16 | Gratz474 | what do you mean? there is no linux package? |
| 06:27.23 | Gratz474 | ooo |
| 06:27.36 | Gratz474 | from the same mirror ? |
| 06:27.44 | \amethyst | Gratz474: sun-java6-jdk if you want javac and all that |
| 06:27.50 | Gratz474 | it needs javac |
| 06:27.56 | \amethyst | Gratz474: yes, you just need to add non-free contrib after main |
| 06:28.03 | Gratz474 | ok |
| 06:28.08 | \amethyst | Gratz474: oh... do you have javac right now? |
| 06:28.14 | \amethyst | Gratz474: the openjdk javac |
| 06:28.15 | Gratz474 | so purging openddk should be enoguh? |
| 06:28.21 | Gratz474 | yes i do |
| 06:28.34 | Gratz474 | red5 needs javac |
| 06:28.41 | Gratz474 | i have apache ant as well |
| 06:28.45 | \amethyst | 'enough'? |
| 06:29.06 | Gratz474 | sorry yea enough heeheh |
| 06:29.11 | mbroeker | brb need to reboot into kernel-2.6.30 :) |
| 06:29.15 | \amethyst | you don't *need* to remove openjdk, but if it makes you feel better that sun's java is the only one on your system, then do it |
| 06:29.20 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, i am just loosing hope so much over here |
| 06:29.49 | \amethyst | Gratz474: no idea whether it will help your problem |
| 06:30.29 | Gratz474 | yea i know |
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| 06:30.34 | Gratz474 | better the nnothing though |
| 06:30.50 | Gratz474 | also i got rid of the jdk and jre what is the other stuff called javac and stuff? |
| 06:31.05 | \amethyst | Gratz474: that's the jdk |
| 06:31.14 | Gratz474 | ok so ita all gone when i purged that? |
| 06:31.42 | Gratz474 | i purged it but i can still run java - version |
| 06:31.58 | Gratz474 | ah |
| 06:32.07 | Gratz474 | openjdk-6-jdk |
| 06:32.10 | Gratz474 | is the package name |
| 06:32.19 | \amethyst | Gratz474: that's the one with javac |
| 06:32.29 | \amethyst | Gratz474: openjdk-6-jre is the jre |
| 06:32.30 | Gratz474 | yea trying to remove it |
| 06:32.34 | \amethyst | Gratz474: and there are other packages too |
| 06:32.40 | Gratz474 | if i rmove jdk will the other go as well? |
| 06:32.55 | \amethyst | probably not, but vice versa |
| 06:32.58 | eightyeight | do .deb files keep a CVE number in them? if so, how can i query it? |
| 06:33.21 | \amethyst | the jdk depends on the jre, so if you remove the jre the jdk has to be removed too |
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| 06:33.57 | \amethyst | eightyeight: some changelogs might have a CVE number, but you'd have to parse the changelog for that |
| 06:34.25 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, what do you think i should do about apache ant just leave it ? |
| 06:34.26 | eightyeight | \amethyst: can i view the changelog with 'dpkg'? i'm not seeing it in the man page |
| 06:35.11 | \amethyst | Gratz474: do you need ant? If you're building Java software you might, but not everything uses ant |
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| 06:35.35 | Gratz474 | yea i meant though should i re install that too |
| 06:35.37 | Gratz474 | i do need it |
| 06:35.49 | Gratz474 | but i dont goess that might not make a differentce? |
| 06:35.58 | Gratz474 | deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 06:36.00 | Gratz474 | that ok ? |
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| 06:37.26 | \amethyst | eightyeight: you might have to extract it |
| 06:37.40 | Gratz474 | this one is much smaller |
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| 06:38.02 | \amethyst | eightyeight: you might have more luck pulling the changelog packages.debian.org |
| 06:38.07 | \amethyst | eightyeight: from |
| 06:38.35 | Gratz474 | i install the jdk i dont need to install the jre right? |
| 06:38.39 | Gratz474 | since it brought it in |
| 06:38.44 | \amethyst | Gratz474: right |
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| 06:39.18 | eightyeight | \amethyst: hmm. bummer. i guess i'll have to, or extract. oh well, extracting isn't all bad, i guess |
| 06:40.33 | Gratz474 | what programs usually run under user avahi |
| 06:40.46 | Gratz474 | does sun's java bring that in? |
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| 06:42.45 | Gratz474 | what is the avahi daemon for ? |
| 06:43.09 | \amethyst | Gratz474: apt-cache show avahi-daemon |
| 06:43.26 | \amethyst | Gratz474: it's for mDNS (zeroconf/bonjour/etc) |
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| 06:43.43 | Gratz474 | hmm i did not install that |
| 06:44.02 | \amethyst | Gratz474: oh, sun's java recommends pulseaudio these days |
| 06:44.09 | Shtl | can there be any firewall issue in as i am not getting internet in my LAN PCs, through my Main PC?? |
| 06:44.14 | Gratz474 | so it brought it in ? |
| 06:44.31 | \amethyst | Gratz474: I think the dependency goes though pulseaudio |
| 06:44.36 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, i had the server bruteforced a few days ago so i am very leary |
| 06:46.02 | Gratz474 | i really hope this works \amethyst |
| 06:46.11 | \amethyst | Gratz474: oh, I found it |
| 06:46.13 | Gratz474 | i mean i realllly hope |
| 06:46.48 | \amethyst | Gratz474: sun-java6-bin recommends libnss-mdns, which depends on avahi-daemon |
| 06:46.54 | Gratz474 | ah yea |
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| 06:47.14 | \amethyst | Gratz474: so you can remove libnss-mdns and avahi-daemon without breaking Java |
| 06:47.38 | \amethyst | though mDNS service discovery in Java programs might not work |
| 06:47.59 | Gratz474 | everything so far looks so much better |
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| 06:49.31 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, it fucking worked holy shit |
| 06:49.34 | Gratz474 | wow man |
| 06:49.43 | Gratz474 | the real java for the win |
| 06:49.49 | Gratz474 | esp. when you dont know java |
| 06:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tries to imagine how something can "fucking work holy shit" and fails, still he won't have any appetite for a while |
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| 06:53.02 | Gratz474 | i always loved first party stuff |
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| 07:39.36 | alsd | hi there |
| 07:40.37 | alsd | anyone knows how (if ever possible) to have gtk2 file selection dialogs display the path as a textbox instead of the boring collection of buttons, as is possible to set up in thunar or nautilus? |
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| 07:50.53 | dustybin | is it possible to attache 2x screen sessions at the same time. ie imagine i was logged onto 2x boxes, and i re-attached screen / irssi, if i typed something on 1 box, it would also appear on the other box |
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| 07:52.52 | dustybin | i think i have worked it out |
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| 07:53.06 | dustybin | it appears in the other box |
| 07:53.10 | dustybin | *on |
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| 08:06.00 | exn | hello guys ! somebody knows which tool I can use for checking host availability ? I need events like host down and host up |
| 08:06.44 | llutz | exn ping, nmap ... |
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| 08:08.03 | khaije|amalt | if i want to install a list of apps as if they were all a package, like "games for gf" and then uninstall them when she breaks up with me (bad example maybe) can i do that with aptitude? |
| 08:08.14 | exn | llutz , lol, I need program with this functional. I do not want to save states of host, and do this shit manually |
| 08:09.14 | khaije|amalt | exn: there is a whole category of apps designed to answer the question of host monitoring and high availability |
| 08:09.37 | khaije|amalt | perhaps you could apt-cache search or google for some of these terms |
| 08:09.45 | exn | I need just run one script if host is down, and other if it up |
| 08:10.18 | exn | nagios, zabbix and other tools very heavy for my little job |
| 08:10.32 | exn | task* |
| 08:10.57 | llutz | write your script, place it in /etc/network/if-(up/)down.d |
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| 08:22.44 | Hanibana | any one has experience with "d-i preseed/late_command" of Debian preseed and how to use it ? |
| 08:22.55 | neoice | is there a simple way to take the current ifconfig and write it to file (like /etc/network/interfaces for example) ? |
| 08:23.20 | Hanibana | or a source with detailed info about it. |
| 08:23.50 | Hanibana | neoice: do u mean ifconfig >myfile ? |
| 08:23.51 | adb | !preseed |
| 08:23.52 | dpkg | from memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. |
| 08:23.59 | CrystalA | Okay, I need some help. I can't seem to figure out how to remove these trailing spaces...=/ |
| 08:24.12 | yesitisjustme | when i click on screen resolution the options to change resolution are blank anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:24.41 | neoice | hanibana: I guess that solves the problem technically. I _do_ need it to work as /etc/network/interfaces though |
| 08:24.52 | neoice | so I should rephrase |
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| 08:25.21 | CrystalA | http://paste.linuxassist.net/214938 |
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| 08:29.27 | Shimei | Had a GPG question. Say I have multiple primary e-mail addresses and that some of them are semi-temporary (e.g. work/institutions e-mails). What's the right way to go about doing GPG for those? Make a key for a permanent address and then add subkeys to it? |
| 08:30.01 | Shimei | (Don't know if this is more appropriate for #gnupg, but I'm sorting out my GPG keys so I can sign Debian packages) |
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| 08:53.06 | rafaelgp | does someone here use chrooted shells (jail) and could let me know what package/scripts used to set it up? |
| 08:54.19 | dutchfish | goodmorning, today i found a link to google-gadgets on my squeeze boz after updating, jelling back at me thet js-script-runtime is not installed, does that mean in need ot install JRE? |
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| 08:55.12 | valdyn | dutchfish: sounds more like java script than java |
| 08:55.33 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok, i am bit lost here, wich package is that for squeeze? |
| 08:55.40 | valdyn | dutchfish: no idea |
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| 08:56.28 | rafaelgp | dutchfish apt-cache showpkg squeeze |
| 08:56.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, i am staring at http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2008/10/google-gadgets-for-linux-in-debian-and.html, but there is no mention of js-script |
| 08:56.38 | rafaelgp | you will be able to see the dependencies there. |
| 08:56.55 | dutchfish | rafaelgp, good one, thx |
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| 08:57.20 | rafaelgp | np |
| 08:57.47 | valdyn | dutchfish: that url is broken |
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| 08:58.16 | dutchfish | valdyn, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D1EpnOVJuA8/SQBpCYj0XVI/AAAAAAAABeE/FHOF2gANz1A/s1600-h/ggl04.png |
| 08:58.46 | rafaelgp | morning! does someone here use chrooted shells (jail) and could let me know what package/scripts was needed to set it up? |
| 08:59.32 | dutchfish | rafaelgp, http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
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| 09:00.48 | rafaelgp | nice man.. thanks |
| 09:01.36 | dutchfish | valdyn, glaring at this, could it be xulrunner? |
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| 09:01.49 | dutchfish | valdyn, http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/issues/detail?id=286 |
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| 09:02.49 | valdyn | google-gadgets-xul: /usr/lib/google-gadgets/modules/smjs-script-runtime.so |
| 09:03.20 | valdyn | my ia32-apt-get breaks apt-cache search, so i cant search atm |
| 09:04.14 | rafaelgp | what is the package u looking for |
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| 09:04.24 | dutchfish | valdyn, apt-cache search says at my box: reverse depends thunar-archive-plugin |
| 09:05.02 | adb | valdyn: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 09:05.38 | dutchfish | rafaelgp, js-script-runtime for the google-gadgets |
| 09:05.44 | valdyn | adb: no, i like ia32-apt-get, and i fixed sources.list already |
| 09:05.56 | dutchfish | rafaelgp, maybe xulrunner, not sure |
| 09:06.21 | dutchfish | this is squeeze amd64 latest kernel |
| 09:06.42 | valdyn | dutchfish: that bug suggests that fedora has broken depends |
| 09:06.44 | rafaelgp | do you have an error message? |
| 09:06.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, righty |
| 09:06.54 | valdyn | dutchfish: im not sure its useful for debian |
| 09:07.02 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok |
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| 09:07.21 | valdyn | dutchfish: you would have to strace the program and see where it barfs |
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| 09:08.42 | dutchfish | valdyn, :) on it atm |
| 09:09.11 | valdyn | dutchfish: google-gadgets is packaged in debian, are you using that package or compiling yourself? |
| 09:09.27 | dutchfish | valdyn, yep, thats why i am baffeled |
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| 09:09.44 | dutchfish | valdyn, it suddenly appeared after last update |
| 09:09.46 | valdyn | dutchfish: and which one are you trying to use? -qt? -gst? -xul? |
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| 09:09.54 | dutchfish | valdyn, qt |
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| 09:10.19 | valdyn | dutchfish: I would guess that updated xulrunner might have broken it |
| 09:11.17 | dutchfish | valdyn, google-gadgets-xul 0.10.5-0.1+b1 |
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| 09:12.01 | dutchfish | !info google-gadgets-xul squeeze |
| 09:12.24 | MmikeRMRM | Duplicate File Finder, anyone? |
| 09:13.17 | rafaelgp | MmikeDOMA ? |
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| 09:13.48 | valdyn | dutchfish: install google-gadgets-xul |
| 09:13.52 | valdyn | dutchfish: that fixed it for me |
| 09:14.04 | dutchfish | valdyn, it is |
| 09:14.04 | MmikeDOMA | rafaelgp, something like fdupes... i tought that fdupes is a bit slow |
| 09:14.08 | Gratz474 | possible to install a red hat package on debian? |
| 09:14.08 | g00se | MmikeRMRM: fslint |
| 09:14.13 | dutchfish | valdyn, reinstall it? |
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| 09:14.42 | valdyn | dutchfish: first i did install just google-gadgets-qt, got your error |
| 09:14.51 | valdyn | dutchfish: then i installed google-gadgets-xul and now its working |
| 09:14.59 | khaije|amalt | on a computer running both xfce, blackbox, and kde is there any particular advantages between kdm, gdm, et al. |
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| 09:15.27 | valdyn | khaije|amalt: nope |
| 09:15.31 | TIMiDO | khaije|amalt, nothing really |
| 09:15.32 | MmikeDOMA | g00se, thnx, i'll check it out |
| 09:15.45 | TIMiDO | khaije|amalt, perhaps used startxfce4 to boot up xfce4 |
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| 09:16.21 | khaije|amalt | mkay, i'll give SLiM a shot then |
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| 09:17.01 | TIMiDO | slim? |
| 09:17.14 | TIMiDO | Simple Login Manager |
| 09:18.13 | dutchfish | valdyn, fixed, apperently there where updated depends for xulrunner-1.9, solving those fixed it |
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| 09:18.14 | dutchfish | valdyn, thx |
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| 09:19.59 | g00se | I use slim with fxce4 |
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| 09:21.23 | Gratz474 | how can i install a red hat package in debian? |
| 09:21.31 | valdyn | Gratz474: dont do it |
| 09:21.32 | OpenTokix | Gratz474: alien |
| 09:21.44 | dutchfish | !tell Gratz474 about alien |
| 09:21.45 | OpenTokix | Gratz474: it can unpack and convert rpm |
| 09:22.01 | Gratz474 | i mean its a commercial package |
| 09:22.04 | Gratz474 | what are my options |
| 09:22.19 | valdyn | Gratz474: ask the vendor |
| 09:22.33 | rafaelgp | true. |
| 09:23.29 | MasterOfOink | And tell us about the vendor if he isn't cooperative. |
| 09:23.30 | MasterOfOink | ;-) |
| 09:23.46 | MasterOfOink | Tell him, that you told us ;-) |
| 09:25.19 | rafaelgp | and we will tell the world about what you told us |
| 09:26.28 | omry | I no longer get sound since I upgraded to squeeze. how do I downgrade alsa to the lenny packages? |
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| 09:27.54 | heavenquake | how do I see which if my interfaces (I've got eth0 and eth1) are the one connecting me to the internet? I want to know because I want to set up iptables on it. Or should I set it up on both? |
| 09:28.37 | valdyn | heavenquake: iptables is not set up on interfaces |
| 09:28.49 | valdyn | heavenquake: its set up on your network ( stack ) |
| 09:28.49 | rafaelgp | heavenquake you don't need to use interfaces for iptables |
| 09:29.07 | rafaelgp | any OUTPUT rule will work with all the interfaces |
| 09:29.12 | heavenquake | according to this I do http://en.linuxreviews.org/Iptables_tips_and_tricks |
| 09:29.15 | rafaelgp | including loopback |
| 09:29.17 | heavenquake | there's an eth0 in that line |
| 09:29.37 | rafaelgp | i wouldn't say you MUST |
| 09:29.40 | g00se | heavenquake: If you want to know anyway - sudo route |
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| 09:30.12 | heavenquake | rafaelgp: will it work if I leave out the -i option then? |
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| 09:30.57 | rafaelgp | yes |
| 09:31.02 | rafaelgp | it is not mandatory |
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| 09:31.33 | rafaelgp | you only use interface options if you actually need or want to. |
| 09:31.40 | valdyn | except *that* iptables line does something completely different when you leave out eth0 |
| 09:32.06 | rafaelgp | what you mean? |
| 09:32.41 | rafaelgp | i think if you don't set rules for a specific interface, it will be applied to all of them |
| 09:32.55 | rafaelgp | or better, im quite sure |
| 09:33.05 | valdyn | heavenquake: you can limit scope of rules via interface or via network |
| 09:33.58 | rafaelgp | if you have two interfaces, i suppose you have one set up for WAN and other set up for LAN. |
| 09:34.35 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.04 | exn | reboot |
| 09:35.20 | valdyn | omry: you did not upgrade the kernel or you did not reboot after upgrading the kernel or both |
| 09:35.42 | omry | valdyn, I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.26, is there a newer one for asound? |
| 09:35.46 | omry | for squeeze? |
| 09:35.53 | omry | and I rebooted many times since. |
| 09:35.56 | valdyn | omry: ok |
| 09:36.04 | heavenquake | Well, LAN wouldn't make much sense I think. It's a VPS at slicehost.com - |
| 09:36.07 | valdyn | omry: usually that version disparity doesnt matter |
| 09:36.22 | omry | valdyn, since I don't have sound, It may matter in my case. |
| 09:36.29 | valdyn | omry: no i doubt that |
| 09:36.42 | rafaelgp | heavenquake i see. well, so if you wanna apply some rules to the VPN set up only, you will use -i |
| 09:36.42 | valdyn | omry: more likely your volume setting is down |
| 09:36.52 | g00se | omry: i suppose you ran alsaconf? |
| 09:36.56 | omry | valdyn, it's not down. there is a bug in alsa 1.0.16 with my chipset. |
| 09:37.00 | valdyn | alsaconf is obsolete |
| 09:37.02 | omry | g00se, there is no longer alsaconf. |
| 09:37.19 | omry | valdyn, alsactrl init doesn't work for me. |
| 09:37.19 | heavenquake | rafaelgp: I just don't want anyone, whoever howsoever, to try and bruteforce my server. |
| 09:37.19 | g00se | omry: Ah. I'm still using Lenny |
| 09:37.24 | valdyn | omry: get a kernel from sid |
| 09:38.00 | valdyn | heavenquake: install fail2ban, done |
| 09:38.02 | omry | valdyn, what's the procedure? just install the deb? |
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| 09:38.07 | hugo | hi |
| 09:38.14 | valdyn | omry: yea |
| 09:38.22 | omry | or there is a backport or something a newer kernel |
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| 09:38.36 | valdyn | omry: i dont think a backport is necessary |
| 09:38.38 | ChadStat | Bruno <3 |
| 09:38.44 | rafaelgp | yeah, fail2ban is a good idea heavenquake |
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| 09:38.51 | omry | valdyn, okay.. where do I get the deb? |
| 09:38.55 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 09:38.55 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:39.01 | rafaelgp | and if it is only that uses it, you may wanna change the port. |
| 09:39.13 | rafaelgp | only you* |
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| 09:40.46 | hugo | is knnopix still a good distro to try? |
| 09:40.51 | g00se | What's alsctrl in? - i can't find it |
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| 09:41.46 | g00se | hugo: It's not really a distro as such |
| 09:41.52 | omry | valdyn, I see only source package : http://packages.debian.org/sid/kernel-image-2.6.29-2-686-bigmem-di |
| 09:42.08 | hugo | g00se: why? |
| 09:42.30 | omry | ah, ok. |
| 09:42.32 | hugo | how is it compared with debian live? |
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| 09:42.38 | g00se | hugo: For one thing, its purpose is not to be installed, although you can do that |
| 09:43.26 | g00se | hugo: I haven't used debian live so have no experience |
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| 09:44.15 | valdyn | omry: look harder |
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| 09:44.19 | omry | valdyn, the 2.6.29 appears to be for the installer. it does not auto configure anything. |
| 09:44.33 | valdyn | omry: thats the d-i package |
| 09:44.52 | omry | is there another 2.6.29? |
| 09:44.57 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible to inject my own script in debootstrap with a commandline option, that will be post-run? |
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| 09:45.35 | valdyn | omry: sid is at 2.6.30 |
| 09:45.46 | valdyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 09:46.03 | valdyn | thats also just a meta package |
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| 09:46.37 | omry | found it. |
| 09:46.47 | omry | or not. |
| 09:46.51 | valdyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 |
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| 09:47.16 | valdyn | bigmem if you have >3.5G ram |
| 09:47.22 | valdyn | err |
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| 09:47.28 | cantido_ | Are there any good FOSS LDAP administration packages? the only decent ones I can find are commercial :/ |
| 09:47.40 | valdyn | !bigmem |
| 09:47.40 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). |
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| 09:47.51 | omry | I have 4gb. |
| 09:47.56 | omry | but it's a 32bit os |
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| 09:48.19 | valdyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem |
| 09:48.44 | cantido_ | Common misconception that register sizes determine the amount of memory you can address.. ;~ |
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| 09:48.54 | valdyn | uh |
| 09:49.06 | dutchfish | omry, without bigmem you are stuck at 34359738367 kB in 32 bit |
| 09:49.11 | omry | cantido_, it does. per process. |
| 09:49.19 | valdyn | dutchfish: umm |
| 09:49.29 | omry | valdyn, thanks. |
| 09:49.35 | dutchfish | byte |
| 09:49.47 | valdyn | dutchfish: you are stuck at 4G minus whatever your pci devices occupy, that could be much more or much less than what you said |
| 09:50.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, forget what i said, err yes |
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| 09:50.26 | cantido_ | omry: yes, but even on a 32bit machine it's possible that you will only be able to address very small amount of memory. |
| 09:51.00 | omry | cantido_, yeah. because of reserved addressing space to the kernel. |
| 09:51.22 | cantido_ | omry: no, because not all chipset are actually capable of it |
| 09:51.38 | valdyn | first chipsets were limited to 512mb |
| 09:51.48 | valdyn | or maybe less |
| 09:51.48 | omry | ah, seen that too. that really sucks. I think my chipset can handle it. |
| 09:51.53 | valdyn | but thats a long time ago |
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| 09:52.17 | cantido_ | valdyn: my 64bit machine can only address 4GB (including PCI address space).. |
| 09:52.39 | cantido_ | lot's of 32bit machines can't handle over 2GB |
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| 09:52.53 | valdyn | yea.. |
| 09:53.23 | omry | okay.. rebooting with the 2.6.30, lets see how well this works.. |
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| 09:55.53 | tzafrir | I'm trying to recover from an erased partition table |
| 09:56.02 | cantido_ | omry: Even if you get it to access the extra memory, the upper region will be slow :/ |
| 09:56.36 | tzafrir | I scanned the disk with gpart, and it finds my data partitions. But fails to find my swap |
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| 09:56.55 | tzafrir | That swap partition is now used by swsusp |
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| 09:57.14 | cantido_ | tzafrir: recreate the swap somewhere where there isn't any data? |
| 09:57.27 | tzafrir | it has data: swsusp |
| 09:57.42 | cantido_ | tzafrir: and you want that data back? or just the partition? |
| 09:57.52 | tzafrir | I prefer the data back |
| 09:58.06 | omry | valdyn, no juice.. kernel panic. didn't find the root partition. |
| 09:58.07 | tzafrir | the first partition on the disk is /home |
| 09:58.28 | cantido_ | there's only going to be a resume image there.. |
| 09:58.30 | tzafrir | so after I accidentally dd-ed some 100MB onto it, |
| 09:58.46 | cantido_ | omry: probably your initramfs |
| 09:58.46 | tzafrir | I still managed to recover things without rebooting |
| 09:59.09 | omry | cantido_, the kernel image doesn't include initramfs? |
| 09:59.10 | tzafrir | and as I did not reboot, I forgot to record the partition table data from memory :-( |
| 09:59.14 | omry | err, the kernel deb |
| 09:59.25 | dutchfish | omry, it is created during install |
| 09:59.43 | tzafrir | so suspending actually worked |
| 09:59.46 | cantido_ | omry: no, it builds one during the installation. but either some module was probably missed when it was created |
| 10:00.04 | cantido_ | omry: I had the exact same issue when I upgraded to 2.6.30 yesterday |
| 10:00.05 | omry | ah, it's there. (initrd 2.6.30) |
| 10:00.11 | Eulex | haha, wow. having a file named -f in a directory sure screws up grep foo * |
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| 10:01.09 | cantido_ | omry: s/either// -- was going to write something else ;) |
| 10:01.10 | Eulex | how do I make my command immune to this? the file named -f gets interpreted as the -f flag |
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| 10:01.26 | cantido_ | Eulex: escape the string |
| 10:01.31 | omry | cantido_, suggestions? |
| 10:01.33 | qiyong | i lost my clipboard, what is its widget name? |
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| 10:02.13 | cantido_ | omry: boot a working kernel and try update-initramfs -u -k all, it'll rebuild all the initramfs images, hopefully produce a working one for 2.6.30 |
| 10:02.39 | omry | cantido_, and possibly killing the working one... |
| 10:02.57 | Eulex | cantido_, can I do that in some easy way with bash? |
| 10:02.57 | cantido_ | omry: replace -k with the 2.6.30 version then |
| 10:02.59 | nsadmin | Eulex: try ./-f |
| 10:03.13 | omry | cantido_, okay.. trying. |
| 10:03.56 | cantido_ | Eulex: nsadmin's suggestion is better actually.. |
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| 10:04.20 | Eulex | nsadmin, sorry, what do you mean, what to do with ./-f? |
| 10:04.39 | nsadmin | what were you trying to do with -f? |
| 10:04.43 | cantido | Eulex: as soon as it see's part of a path it'll stop looking for switches |
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| 10:05.06 | cantido | sees |
| 10:05.11 | Eulex | nsadmin, nothing, I happened to have a file named -f ^_^ |
| 10:05.20 | cantido | must stop fingers from inserting ' before every s |
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| 10:05.51 | omry | cantido, sweet, it worked. |
| 10:06.05 | cantido | Eulex: I've seen someone do that people.. they missed up some script they were writing and created files out of the switches they were passing to something |
| 10:06.14 | tzafrir | well, ./-f is not applicable if you use '*' |
| 10:06.16 | nsadmin | Eulex maybe rename that file |
| 10:06.18 | cloudy_nz | loves Debian because things always work |
| 10:06.27 | tzafrir | grep -- foo * # does work |
| 10:06.29 | cantido | omry: It's weird that it doesn't just work in the first place though. But there we go |
| 10:06.39 | hark | Eulex: -- * |
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| 10:06.52 | Eulex | nsadmin, cantido, sure, the file should not be there, I was asking how to make it work even tho the file is there |
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| 10:07.20 | Eulex | hark, tzafrir, great, thank you :) |
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| 10:07.48 | nsadmin | I think it depends on how the command you're running interprets its cli switches and other args |
| 10:08.10 | Eulex | so -- would be specific to grep? |
| 10:08.29 | tzafrir | I think it's a gun convention |
| 10:08.37 | Eulex | ok |
| 10:08.47 | tzafrir | (along with the long command-line options in general) |
| 10:08.51 | omry | valdyn, with 2.6.30 (and asound version 1.0.20) the sound works. |
| 10:10.08 | dutchfish | does the script passed to debootstrap work inside the jail, or must i provide my own chroot inside the script? |
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| 10:10.14 | nsadmin | and gun conventions are loud... |
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| 10:12.04 | khaije|amalt | couple questions: is nfs stable to be used as share exporting multimedia (such as movies) a/o virtual machine disk... and 2 is afs > nfs generally and in this case in particular? |
| 10:12.21 | khaije|amalt | *virtual machine images |
| 10:12.34 | khaije|amalt | to be run on client machines |
| 10:12.39 | cantido | khaije|amalt: nfs is fine for files.. disk images might be different |
| 10:12.40 | cloudy_nz | man, 29MB for media codecs for totem, sheesh |
| 10:13.00 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, i do that for years, but it is only use dinside my lan, it is not a secure network filesystem |
| 10:13.19 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, but its performance is great |
| 10:13.26 | khaije|amalt | wikipedia says afs is not well suited for very large files, but would that be a better choice? |
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| 10:14.02 | khaije|amalt | dutchfish: i'm glad to hear that, i've heard lots of negative things about nfs but it is also frequently recommended |
| 10:14.05 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, i would choose nfs, for the ease of use |
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| 10:14.27 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, it never failed me |
| 10:14.27 | cantido | khaije|amalt: with NFS + 2.6.30 you get bonuses like cachefs.. I'm not sure AFS has that yet |
| 10:14.37 | dutchfish | ndos |
| 10:14.46 | dutchfish | s/ndos/nods |
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| 10:15.12 | khaije|amalt | cantido: is that a local cache thing, b/c it seems afs has that built in |
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| 10:16.08 | dutchfish | cantido, i only would choose afs in a MAC/linux envirenment when you want that fancy mac stuff |
| 10:16.14 | sfdsd | hi guy's, could you help me with adjustment kdm autologin user with blank password? |
| 10:16.48 | cantido | khaije|amalt: mm from what I've read AFS does have caching.. not sure if it's the same as the cachefs stuff |
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| 10:16.57 | antixogh | how do i chown every file on a partition? |
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| 10:17.22 | JPT | chown 777 * -R (-R => Recursive) |
| 10:17.25 | cantido | dutchfish: mm I've never used AFS.. NFS does what I need |
| 10:17.38 | JPT | err |
| 10:17.42 | khaije|amalt | dutchfish: wikip sez yes, also afs is supposedly more secure? i think i will go with afs unless there is a large speed difference |
| 10:17.42 | JPT | not 777...but you now |
| 10:17.44 | JPT | xD |
| 10:17.47 | cantido | fail |
| 10:17.50 | antixogh | lol yeah thanks |
| 10:17.51 | khaije|amalt | is nfs simpler to setup than afs perhaps? |
| 10:18.12 | dutchfish | cantido, i tried both, but up till tiger i prefer NFS with snow leapard its maybe different in feavor of afs |
| 10:18.17 | cantido | khaije|amalt: nfs is very simple, just setup the line in /etc/exports, restart the server and its done |
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| 10:18.39 | cantido | dutchfish: AFS in mac-language is Apple File Sharing IIRC |
| 10:18.49 | khaije|amalt | cantido: what about client side w/ nfs? |
| 10:18.57 | cantido | dutchfish: AFS in this case is Andrew File System |
| 10:19.00 | dutchfish | cantido, but then again, it depends on your needs many new born have arrived see kernel 2.6.30-1 |
| 10:19.08 | cantido | khaije|amalt: mount host:/export/ /mountpout |
| 10:19.09 | khaije|amalt | cantido: nonono i'm talking about Andrew's (ya) |
| 10:19.15 | cantido | khaije|amalt: /mountpoint |
| 10:19.22 | khaije|amalt | lol |
| 10:19.27 | dutchfish | cantido, yes i know |
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| 10:20.57 | cantido | dutchfish: I could never get the Apple AFS stuff 100% for someone that uses macs,.. so I ended up installing samba there. I don't deal with macosx much though, although I'm using Apple branded generic x86 hardware |
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| 10:22.00 | dutchfish | cantido, samba would be my last choice, i ha dno problem with mac AFS nor andres file system, see also: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges about althernatives |
| 10:22.13 | dutchfish | s/andres/andrew |
| 10:22.17 | cantido | khaije|amalt: cachefs is persistent IIRC and AFS' is in memory IIRC.. but for simply sharing some files I don't think it'll matter |
| 10:22.58 | cantido | khaije|amalt: disk images might not be so good because you're not doing linear reads in that case, it's random read/writes and that probably ain't so good for network filesystems |
| 10:22.59 | dutchfish | cantido, smb is worsed choice for video and large files |
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| 10:24.58 | khaije|amalt | do either of these allow multi-simultaneous access to a file from two different clients? |
| 10:25.03 | dutchfish | cantido, then again, the latest stable kernel does nice things with the widely used file systems, i gain ~8% better performance on nfs 3 |
| 10:25.17 | cantido | dutchfish: mmm it's not something I've noticed. I don't own any windows or mac osx running machines.. so the only time I have to come in contact with this sort of stuff is when I do a favour for someone |
| 10:25.48 | cantido | khaije|amalt: no filesystem does that really, files should be locked before a process writes to them |
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| 10:26.02 | dutchfish | cantido, for me it boils down to this: use nfs wherever possible, unless you thinking about clustering |
| 10:26.30 | khaije|amalt | well before i started down this route i played with exporting ocfs2 via iscsi but it wasn't stable/fast enough |
| 10:26.34 | cantido | dutchfish: ummm I use NFS + Rsync + some inotify scripting for clustering. |
| 10:26.34 | khaije|amalt | (for multimedia) |
| 10:26.42 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, confirmed |
| 10:27.14 | khaije|amalt | goes to setup nfs now |
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| 10:27.40 | antixogh | alright so "chown -R antixogh:antixogh 774 /media/disk" ? |
| 10:28.00 | cantido | antixogh: loose the 774 |
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| 10:28.40 | cantido | antixogh: also you should have man on your system to lookup the manpage.. |
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| 10:30.25 | antixogh | yeah i wasn't 100% after reading it so i wanted to check hjust to be safe |
| 10:30.28 | khaije|amalt | so does nfs requires a specific files system or will it export whatever, also does it export filesystems or blockdevices? |
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| 10:30.47 | cantido | khaije|amalt: it exports part of the filesystem tree |
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| 10:31.16 | cantido | khaije|amalt: but there are issues if the bit you export contains sub mounts |
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| 10:33.13 | antixogh | oh i see, so now i use chmod 774 and so on |
| 10:33.24 | antixogh | man i'm out of practice |
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| 10:36.05 | khaije|amalt | cantido: so iow i can use have a fs that is ext4 or some other "ordinary" filesystem... which means I don't need additional setup of seperate lv's with seperate fs's ? |
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| 10:37.12 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, i use lvm2 all the way, because of the snapshotting i need |
| 10:37.23 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, and the ease of changing partitions |
| 10:38.07 | khaije|amalt | what i'm asking is can i (for example) export /tmp or /home as they are? |
| 10:38.12 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, but that of course depends on your needs |
| 10:38.30 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, it can, is it wise, thats another q |
| 10:38.43 | khaije|amalt | i see there isn't a mkfs.nfs which i was half expecting to see |
| 10:38.53 | Bhavic | Is sid > lenny |
| 10:39.01 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, ? |
| 10:39.16 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, nfs is not a plain fs it is a networking fs |
| 10:39.34 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, it works on top of another fs |
| 10:39.48 | khaije|amalt | i'm used to working with shared-storage fs's like ocfs2 that are their on distinct on-disk-format |
| 10:39.56 | khaije|amalt | mkay cool :) |
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| 10:40.39 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, and that may be a burden or a good thing, depends on what you need |
| 10:41.20 | khaije|amalt | so does nfs abstract the fs when it exports? iow if i wanna use nfs to export my ocfs2 volumes will i need to setup ocfs2 on the clients or can i just use the regular nfs-client stuff |
| 10:41.34 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, for me: nfs/lvm2/ext3 (or something else) is a strong scenario |
| 10:43.27 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, to broaden a lit more, you might also want to test nilfs2 if you like expirimenting |
| 10:44.18 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, but for now in in prod envirenment (not cluster) i would go for nsf/lvm2/ext3 |
| 10:44.46 | dutchfish | s/nsf/nfs (sorry for all the typos) |
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| 10:49.01 | khaije|amalt | np dutchfish ty |
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| 10:49.09 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, yw |
| 10:49.53 | Sitem | how to burn img files ? |
| 10:50.05 | meder | set em on fire |
| 10:50.10 | khaije|amalt | i like that it abstracts the to a generic-nfs-style-fs in particular because it means I can use pupose specific fs's on the server and export the data generically to clients simply :) |
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| 10:50.41 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, bingo |
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| 10:52.35 | dutchfish | khaije|amalt, and that point grows even stronger when you think about virtualization on your server |
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| 10:53.41 | Bernd_Baken | hi |
| 10:54.24 | Bernd_Baken | i got a mailbox-file in /var/spool/mail/myuser on an old server. is there a way wo view the emails inside it? |
| 10:54.27 | antixogh | can lenny not auto mount ntfs partitions? |
| 10:54.47 | enouf | !automount |
| 10:54.48 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 10:55.23 | antixogh | !usb mount |
| 10:55.23 | dpkg | it has been said that usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
| 10:55.28 | Bernd_Baken | and i not mean the vi or cat approach, hehe |
| 10:55.49 | heavenquake | how do I save iptables setups across reboots? |
| 10:56.08 | fxiny_jj24 | Bernd_Baken: man formail ? |
| 10:56.22 | enouf | Sitem: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/#toc16 |
| 10:56.44 | Bernd_Baken | thx |
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| 10:56.59 | enouf | fxiny_jj24: wt4x? ... yo yo JayJay? |
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| 10:57.49 | telmich | hello |
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| 10:58.31 | enouf | heavenquake: iptables-save, iptables-restore, whatever; use the /etc/networking/if-up.d or /if-preup.d/ dirs to run your script which loads them |
| 10:58.44 | telmich | I'm trying to install a soekris net5501 with debian; I installed to a compact flash disc from a remote host, configured grub and it boots the linux kernel and initrd |
| 10:58.48 | heavenquake | enouf: thanks |
| 10:58.57 | fxiny_jj24 | enouf: just for today . a sad story i'm reading in wired . a brother who said "I know Unix and C like the back of my hand, because I studied all these books" . |
| 10:59.19 | telmich | but: it cannot find the root device (/dev/hda1) -- anyone an idea, why debians linux 2.6.26-2-486 does not see the cf card? |
| 10:59.26 | telmich | it should be seen as a normal ide disk |
| 10:59.37 | enouf | fxiny_jj24: oh, hehe, i thought it was some michael jackson bullcrap or something :-p |
| 11:00.20 | fxiny_jj24 | enouf: no way ! in sign od respect of Jonathan James . |
| 11:00.28 | fxiny_jj24 | a sad story |
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| 11:00.56 | enouf | !can't mount root |
| 11:00.56 | dpkg | If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd |
| 11:02.09 | telmich | enouf: that's know - the question is, why the debian standard kernel does not see a pata disk |
| 11:02.19 | enouf | heavenquake: sorry, i meant /etc/network/ |
| 11:02.39 | enouf | because your controller sucks ass? |
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| 11:04.02 | p0g0_ | telmich: you sure the device is hda? Depending on your jumpers and the kernel, it could be hdb or sda etc... |
| 11:05.11 | antixogh | i hate ntfs |
| 11:05.13 | antixogh | bbl |
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| 11:05.24 | telmich | p0g0_: well, I'm pretty sure that it is not detected right now, but in previous (2.6.20 self built) versions it was always hda |
| 11:05.24 | enouf | try booting with all.generic_ide_all=1 or something |
| 11:05.32 | fxiny_jj24 | enouf: ajavid not in ? wt4x ;) |
| 11:05.42 | enouf | then don't use it anti |
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| 11:06.00 | enouf | fxiny_jj24: hrm .. try #debian-chat |
| 11:06.06 | fxiny_jj24 | no no no |
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| 11:06.26 | enouf | fxiny_jj24: nope, not on |
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| 11:07.29 | p0g0_ | telmich: not detected at all does suggest a bad controller of perhaps a broken-in-just-the-right-way cf card. Tried another cf? Do you have a serial port on that thing, can you watch the boot sequence? |
| 11:07.43 | enouf | then try sda1 - that would be a libata issue |
| 11:08.16 | Sitem | thanks enouf |
| 11:08.20 | telmich | p0g0_: yep, watching the bootup |
| 11:08.33 | telmich | enouf: just trying all-generic-ide now |
| 11:08.40 | p0g0_ | telmich: is that a redboot system? |
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| 11:09.26 | telmich | p0g0_: soekris net5501 |
| 11:09.56 | enouf | has no idea what redboot, nor soekris is |
| 11:10.38 | p0g0_ | enouf: soekris makes embedded boards for the wireless industry |
| 11:11.13 | kratek | Since I turned on framebuffer console (added the vga=0x31B to the GRUB entry), the fb console is moved compared to X (like half an inch to the left) and there are |
| 11:11.16 | telmich | p0g0_: not only wireless dedicated, but general usage |
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| 11:11.22 | enouf | hrm .. so a wifi card? |
| 11:11.25 | p0g0_ | enouf: redboot is a redhat originated embedded board bios/boot routine, common to many WRAPS, but appearently not soekris. |
| 11:11.42 | telmich | enouf: http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm |
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| 11:11.59 | enouf | p0g0_: thanks for the explanation - wished i never asked though .. ugh |
| 11:12.14 | p0g0_ | telmich: yeah, I have mostly seen them in the wireless world-never fooled with that particular rig tho. |
| 11:12.16 | enouf | !emdebian |
| 11:12.16 | dpkg | from memory, emdebian is a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:12.17 | kratek | *and there are brighter and darker vertical stripes in the fb console. I use NVIDIA proprietary drivers with 9600 GT. What can the cause of the problem be? |
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| 11:14.11 | telmich | btw, I think the error is in the last lines: |
| 11:14.11 | telmich | http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/unix/linux/debian/soekris-net5501/boot-failure-1 |
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| 11:15.48 | enouf | kratek: make sure nvidiafb isn't loading at all from anywhere; or, stop using nvidia proprietary; and for that misalignment, adjust your monitor, using it's controls on front |
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| 11:16.50 | kratek | enouf: I know I can align it that way, but it's way too annoying to do it every time I want to switch between vt and X |
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| 11:17.04 | enouf | kratek: i meant once |
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| 11:17.33 | enouf | kratek: see if your monitor has an auto-adjust mode/key - try that |
| 11:17.34 | p0g0_ | telmich: isn't all that a linux boot sequence that _must_ have been found on the cf or you'd get a 'no boot device' sort of error? |
| 11:17.52 | kratek | enouf: seems my monitor isn't smart enough to tell him it only once - that's why I'm looking for the cause of the problem |
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| 11:18.05 | kratek | enouf: and not just removing the effects |
| 11:18.20 | enouf | kratek: it's your BIOS, and or VESA non-compliance, or something like that |
| 11:18.41 | p0g0_ | telmich: you have a fatal error listed there: "FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" |
| 11:19.12 | kratek | enouf: I noticed at monitor info that there is "63.7 kHz 60 Hz" when I'm in vt mode, and "64 kHz 60 Hz" in X mode - no idea what the first freq is, the second is probably refresh rate |
| 11:19.20 | enouf | kratek: try "get-edid | parse-edid" from the read-edid pkg, iirc - also try lshw, dmidecode and the tools within |
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| 11:20.18 | enouf | kratek: what's "cvt xResolution yResolution" output? |
| 11:20.35 | enouf | ~$ cvt 1280 1024 |
| 11:20.36 | enouf | # 1280x1024 59.89 Hz (CVT 1.31M4) hsync: 63.67 kHz; pclk: 109.00 MH |
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| 11:21.34 | kratek | just the same |
| 11:21.37 | enouf | kratek: the 1st is Horizontal, (KHz), the vertical is Hz |
| 11:22.00 | enouf | kratek: but is that the native resolution? |
| 11:22.27 | kratek | enouf: yes, it is |
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| 11:23.10 | enouf | kratek: doesn't nvidia have some tools, like nvidia-settings or something? which you can move/adjust many things? |
| 11:23.40 | kratek | enouf: nope, I looked through it - right now I'm digging through default sid kernel .config to check whether nvidia fb is in |
| 11:23.59 | enouf | p0g0_: good catch - that's likely loading from the initrd |
| 11:24.21 | enouf | kratek: no digging - grep NV /boot/config... |
| 11:24.33 | enouf | kratek: lspci -k |
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| 11:25.03 | llutz | kratek: " CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA=m " |
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| 11:26.29 | kratek | ok, the module isn't loaded |
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| 11:27.24 | enouf | yeah, that was just a preliminary thing to check anyway |
| 11:27.35 | kratek | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d5f01f93b |
| 11:28.07 | telmich | ahh, it may be a problem of combios |
| 11:28.26 | telmich | *reboot* |
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| 11:28.49 | telmich | [ 9.126900] hda: 2000880 sectors (1024 MB) w/2KiB Cache, CHS=1985/16/63 |
| 11:28.51 | telmich | :-) |
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| 11:33.38 | enouf | kratek: i'm not VBE/VESA mode expert - have you got Hor and Vert sync lines in your xorg.conf? |
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| 11:34.47 | enouf | i mean, there might even be a "UseNoEDID" option for nvidia proprietary, i can't say, but for Xorg drivers, there are man pages for each |
| 11:35.18 | enouf | (not that UseNoEDID is the right thing to do anyway) |
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| 11:35.56 | kratek | enouf: is the new X.org still using xorg.conf? |
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| 11:36.12 | llutz | it's called ignoreEDID |
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| 11:38.34 | enouf | kratek: xorg.conf will override the autodetect stuffs |
| 11:38.39 | enouf | !hal |
| 11:38.39 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 11:38.48 | enouf | see that last URL, |
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| 11:38.57 | poisonbit | how can i avoid any package selection in a preseed in lenny (i don't want the packages installed with the "standard" selection) |
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| 11:40.24 | poisonbit | i want to do the tasksel stage of the installer, with only full-upgrade, no packages |
| 11:41.15 | poisonbit | an empty string will do the job ? |
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| 11:42.28 | poisonbit | the doc of preseed says: "You can also choose to install no tasks, and force the installation of a set of packages in some other way." |
| 11:42.35 | poisonbit | but don't says _how_ |
| 11:43.58 | poisonbit | mmm from tasksel --list, i see the "manual" selection |
| 11:44.02 | poisonbit | maybe that ? |
| 11:44.13 | enouf | 'standard' is a package's _priority_ (there are 7 different ones, IIRC, needed are "important" and "required"), and i don't see it listed in tasksel --list-tasks |
| 11:44.28 | poisonbit | true, it isn't listed |
| 11:44.45 | poisonbit | but it install me stuff like manpages in spanish, that are really outdated |
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| 11:45.31 | poisonbit | enouf, so... if i pass the tasksel stage, without select any package... manpages-es will be installed anyway ? |
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| 11:46.35 | poisonbit | i have to use a 'exclude' on it, or purge packages that i don't want latter with a late_command in the preseed |
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| 11:48.59 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1491739 check it |
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| 11:49.47 | enouf | uses localepurge |
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| 11:52.37 | Bernd_Baken | pine, mutt, qmail, mail -- nothings works. is there any other program avaible to apt-get install ? |
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| 11:53.05 | enouf | that's funny - try gmail :-p |
| 11:54.06 | Bernd_Baken | Package pine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:54.18 | Bernd_Baken | how to get the reference |
| 11:54.24 | enouf | !debtags |
| 11:54.24 | dpkg | well, debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 11:54.28 | poisonbit | thanks enouf |
| 11:54.39 | enouf | np |
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| 11:55.14 | fxiny_jj24 | what's the problem with mutt ? |
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| 12:00.58 | martianlobster | how can I tell which version of debian is installed on a server? |
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| 12:01.48 | pepperbob | there's a file /etc/debian_version |
| 12:01.54 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 12:06.13 | poisonbit | martianlobster, and check /etc/apt/sources.list is a sanity check |
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| 12:16.38 | hugo | why is it nic on board tends to be unstable on linux? |
| 12:17.27 | poisonbit | d-i tasksel/first string required |
| 12:17.28 | poisonbit | tasksel tasksel/first multiselect required |
| 12:17.30 | poisonbit | ^^ wath is the correct for a preseed.cfg ? |
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| 12:18.40 | poisonbit | the second is from: debconf-get-selections --installer |
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| 12:22.30 | poisonbit | well, the second, is in the example: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-pkgsel |
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| 12:26.24 | enouf | poisonbit: try #debian-boot on oftc.net |
| 12:27.04 | poisonbit | here we go ! |
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| 12:27.39 | telmich | hmm, I'm getting zsh: abort ldconfig |
| 12:27.49 | telmich | after doing apt-get dist-upgrade (amd64) |
| 12:27.55 | telmich | anyone else seeing this? |
| 12:28.16 | poisonbit | lenny ? |
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| 12:28.46 | telmich | yep, mostly (some packages via -t squeeze) |
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| 12:29.33 | poisonbit | i can install zsh in the laptop@lenny@amd64, give two minuts to boot and install |
| 12:30.05 | telmich | poisonbit: it's not zsh's fault |
| 12:30.10 | telmich | it's ldconfig that aborts |
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| 12:30.58 | enouf | new libc6? |
| 12:31.07 | poisonbit | anyway i don't have squeeze packages in lenny. I use to backport. |
| 12:31.14 | telmich | iF libc6 2.9-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:31.27 | enouf | F == failed |
| 12:31.29 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to do bandwidth throttling on a blockdevice? |
| 12:31.53 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: like slow down to RPMs? :-p |
| 12:32.08 | enouf | er s/to/the |
| 12:32.16 | telmich | enouf: it aborts when calling ldconfig |
| 12:32.27 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, well yes. Have an app that eats up a lot of I/O. I just want it to use 1MB/sec |
| 12:32.27 | telmich | strange |
| 12:32.36 | enouf | does apt-get suggest how to fix it? |
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| 12:32.43 | poisonbit | ionice ? |
| 12:32.55 | enouf | telmich: you shouldn't be mixing lenny and squeeze |
| 12:32.59 | poisonbit | Led_Zeppelin, may be ionize helps you |
| 12:33.32 | telmich | enouf: why not? |
| 12:33.46 | poisonbit | telmich, by libc |
| 12:34.04 | enouf | telmich: different libc6's |
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| 12:34.57 | telmich | I guess the libc6 is from lenny |
| 12:35.09 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 12:35.09 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-19 |
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| 12:35.48 | fxiny_jj24 | Led_Zeppelin: apt-cache show trickle |
| 12:36.17 | telmich | hmm |
| 12:36.48 | telmich | why does "apt-get install -t stable --reinstall libc6" then not install 2.7-18? |
| 12:36.52 | marcel` | hi, is there some howto on how to get (software) raid 1 working with the debian installer? because i dont understand it now |
| 12:37.21 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 12:37.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 12:37.58 | g00se | pepperbob: since ..? |
| 12:37.58 | poisonbit | backups ? |
| 12:38.06 | craigevil | telmich: i doubt libc6 is the only package from testing you have now |
| 12:38.29 | telmich | narf |
| 12:39.02 | telmich | what would be the easiest way to go for testing completly? |
| 12:39.13 | craigevil | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:39.17 | craigevil | and pray |
| 12:39.26 | craigevil | especiialy if your using kde |
| 12:39.33 | g00se | !tell marcel` about raid |
| 12:39.43 | telmich | craigevil: only awesome, no kde |
| 12:40.11 | telmich | I'm wondering how the ldconfig problem can / will be solved |
| 12:40.45 | telmich | I mean in theory, upgrading from 2.7-18 to 2.9-12 should work anyway, shouldn't it? |
| 12:40.52 | octane- | regarding downgrade - maybe someone will come up with a solution that is implemeneted like solaris boot-environments (bootable snapshots, if you like). |
| 12:40.54 | marcel` | g00se: thanks but i understand what raid is ;x just wanted to know how the installer works |
| 12:41.26 | marcel` | i think i correctly configured raid while indstalling debian. what is the best way to check there are two disks and one is indeed mirroring? |
| 12:41.41 | telmich | hmm, it all fails at this situation: |
| 12:41.41 | telmich | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 380: 24132 Aborted ldconfig |
| 12:42.34 | marcel` | perhaps just df -h? not sure never seen a raid setup well ill try once the installation is done |
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| 12:43.06 | enouf | marcel`: alt-f4 will have messages |
| 12:43.15 | enouf | marcel`: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 12:45.16 | poisonbit | marcel`, probe to downgrade the raid, get one disk (hotswap or stopped), check boot and availability of them system, resync the raid, probe another disk, etc |
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| 12:46.31 | marcel` | enouf: thanks i seems to be configured correctly when i do cat /proc/mdstat. although df -h looks a little bit weird but maybe thats just the raid |
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| 12:49.50 | telmich | there's something totally wrong |
| 12:50.12 | telmich | tried to downgrade to libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb, replaced /sbin/ldconfig with exit0-shellscript |
| 12:50.25 | telmich | after unpacking, it fails again when doing ldconfig |
| 12:50.42 | enouf | you would've been much better off using lenny-backports or creating your own |
| 12:51.27 | telmich | I'm just curious: what was the mistake to get a broken ldconfig? |
| 12:51.39 | enouf | er, you'd add exit 0 after #!/bin/bash |
| 12:52.03 | enouf | well #!/bin/sh in this case |
| 12:52.13 | telmich | that's what I did |
| 12:52.29 | enouf | ldconfig isn't broken, your libs and versions are |
| 12:52.37 | telmich | ldconfig is statically linked |
| 12:53.06 | enouf | note the name of the .postinst file |
| 12:53.48 | enouf | you aren't going to downgrade (atleast not without much much pain), so toss that idea |
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| 12:54.23 | Black_Phantom | There is a linux version for Safari ? |
| 12:54.40 | telmich | it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst -- why should downgrade using dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb be a problem? |
| 12:55.50 | telmich | but anyway, the interesting part for me is, what the reason is for ldconfig failing - which should never happen for a static binary |
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| 12:57.39 | telmich | can somebody paste the sha512sum of /sbin/ldconfig of lenny and/or squeeze, both amd64 to me? |
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| 12:59.50 | dutchfish | telmich, amd64 lenny 92330cd3adbbb819e8464ffac3bc4944b2a91ed272b2abdd18bcda07e7b14a2af88f27c938d09c22398bb6b9621bcb3eb12b1cf98dea1588b0cc9848c5d3c04e /sbin/ldconfig |
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| 13:01.57 | dutchfish | telmich, amd64 squeeze 21aa8e74d0fd77393366afb198b13526224280c533cfc2c3935af04263445d5b6daae79d1b0308d1ea05e72735b8a2be79506ecceac11b7773513be1c76a1cec /sbin/ldconfig |
| 13:02.30 | enouf | !debsums |
| 13:02.30 | dpkg | hmm... debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files. |
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| 13:05.30 | infinity0 | how do i get the RSA fingerprint of a key stored in known_hosts? |
| 13:05.39 | telmich | 92330cd3adbbb819e8464ffac3bc4944b2a91ed272b2abdd18bcda07e7b14a2af88f27c938d09c22398bb6b9621bcb3eb12b1cf98dea1588b0cc9848c5d3c04e /sbin/ldconfig |
| 13:05.43 | telmich | i've here |
| 13:06.00 | telmich | so that looks like lenny |
| 13:06.09 | dutchfish | telmich, yup |
| 13:06.11 | telmich | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 13:06.39 | telmich | so why does it abort |
| 13:07.12 | telmich | I don't even remember, where SIGABRT comes from |
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| 13:07.23 | enouf | telmich: read the sh script |
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| 13:08.00 | telmich | ahh, abort() |
| 13:08.10 | telmich | enouf: which one? the postinst? |
| 13:08.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.20 | enouf | man 7 signal |
| 13:08.29 | enouf | yes, the .postinst |
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| 13:10.49 | telmich | enouf: i don't see which thing in there should help me |
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| 13:11.38 | telmich | i just see the ldconfig call when being run with "configure" as argument, which still does not really clearify, why ldconfig can break |
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| 13:12.52 | dutchfish | telmich, what kernel? |
| 13:13.12 | telmich | 2.6.30-rc7 |
| 13:13.14 | dutchfish | telmich, had simulars on 2.6.26 along time ago |
| 13:13.33 | dutchfish | telmich, yaks, plz consider 2.6.30-1 |
| 13:13.36 | telmich | dutchfish: the only kernel that runs correctly on lenovo x200 currently |
| 13:13.49 | dutchfish | telmich, yaks, plz consider 2.6.30-1 ... again ;) |
| 13:14.22 | telmich | hmm |
| 13:14.27 | telmich | I'm a bit worried to reboot now |
| 13:14.34 | dutchfish | telmich, ues |
| 13:14.54 | dutchfish | telmich, have you tried kumuto's? |
| 13:15.05 | telmich | dutchfish: what's kumuto? |
| 13:15.38 | enouf | dutchfish: he's mixing lenny and squeeze, and broke it |
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| 13:16.04 | dutchfish | enouf, not neccesarely, i had my far share with lenny and x200 |
| 13:16.08 | telmich | enouf: it seems you did not yet understand the real problem |
| 13:16.19 | SPF | during debian installation, is the group users with gid=100 created? |
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| 13:17.39 | telmich | enouf: independent of whatever I do with packages a static binary like ldconfig should never ever crash, besides there's a kernel or hardware problem |
| 13:17.50 | enouf | it's not crashing |
| 13:18.31 | enouf | no, your libc6 is broken/wrong/misconfigured/wrong-version |
| 13:18.31 | telmich | enouf: it's calling abort(), that's a crash |
| 13:18.31 | enouf | static binaries fail all the time |
| 13:18.34 | telmich | what? |
| 13:18.48 | enouf | what what? |
| 13:18.50 | telmich | for what reason should a static binary fail? |
| 13:19.33 | enouf | for the same reason any binary fails |
| 13:19.57 | enouf | just because it's static doesnt |
| 13:20.03 | enouf | make it magical |
| 13:20.03 | telmich | a static binary has no dependency on libraries, so it runs even without a library |
| 13:20.24 | telmich | that's the reason why having "sash" statically linked the only senseful thing |
| 13:20.32 | enouf | just makes it easier to track the failure point, as opposed to within some dynamically linked lib |
| 13:21.00 | enouf | telmich: what does ldconfig do exactly? |
| 13:21.11 | enouf | telmich: what does ldconfig /try to/ do exactly? |
| 13:21.22 | enouf | i mean, what's it's purpose? |
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| 13:21.44 | telmich | enouf: to create some links for the ld.so |
| 13:21.47 | enouf | NAME |
| 13:21.48 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.12 | enouf | bingo |
| 13:22.15 | telmich | enouf: ldconfig may fail with an error message, but should never need to call abort() |
| 13:23.20 | enouf | so, let's review, ldconfig is aborting ... why exactly? a) because it can't do it's job .. for what reason? b) debug it .. and c) (my real answer) it's the WRONG version |
| 13:24.22 | dutchfish | telmich, can you paste uname -a ? |
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| 13:24.35 | dutchfish | telmich, did you check dmesg? |
| 13:24.49 | enouf | besides; it's added into that .postinst via dh_makeshlibs |
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| 13:25.14 | telmich | Linux ikn 2.6.30-rc7 #33 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 25 08:43:08 CEST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:25.16 | enouf | it's all right there, in the .postinst sh script |
| 13:25.17 | craigevil | libc6 is broken > telmich>iF libc6 2.9-12 GNU C Library: Shared librarie thats squeeze's version and your sha512sum of /sbin/ldconfig shows lenny |
| 13:25.32 | telmich | dutchfish: dmesg: yep, nothing wrong |
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| 13:26.20 | enouf | there;s a debconf that needs to occur |
| 13:26.22 | telmich | enouf: ldconfig should not depend on any version of libc, it does not do any binary magic |
| 13:26.33 | enouf | and many times, restarting of certain services |
| 13:26.57 | enouf | if using a DM, you'd need to restart the entire session at the least (well with kdm anyway) |
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| 13:27.23 | telmich | enouf: I'm using xorg->awesome, but I don't care about a session or stuff like that |
| 13:27.36 | craigevil | libc6: /sbin/ldconfig |
| 13:27.40 | enouf | NAME |
| 13:27.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.16 | telmich | dutchfish: got 2.6.30-1-amd64 and 2.6.31-rc2-00432-gf00caa7 now, will try them if I cannot resolve the problem on the running system |
| 13:28.32 | bassliner | is there a way to determine what packages have been installed after the system was set up? like just the packages that don't come with the default install? i considered doing a dpkg -l > file and compare the list with a fresh install in a vmware or something, but i wonder if there's an easier way... |
| 13:28.40 | enouf | it's not the fucken kernel |
| 13:28.49 | dutchfish | telmich, yes, the only thing to do is disect it ... |
| 13:28.51 | bassliner | teh fukkn kernelz! |
| 13:29.03 | cantido | bassliner: I don't think dpkg keeps track of when stuff was installed |
| 13:29.09 | telmich | dutchfish: yeah, the problem is there are still some open problems in latest 2.6 kernels regarding the x200 |
| 13:29.13 | dutchfish | telmich, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=log;h=v2.6.30-rc8 |
| 13:29.16 | enouf | yes it does cantido |
| 13:29.28 | bassliner | cantido: hm, then my approach probably really seems to be ok. |
| 13:29.29 | cantido | enouf: really? |
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| 13:29.44 | enouf | bassliner: see /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:29.53 | cantido | bassliner: apparently it does.. I know it logs installs somewhere because I get them in my logcheck mails |
| 13:30.02 | enouf | and it's backups, *.log.* or whatever |
| 13:30.03 | dutchfish | telmich, but i bet its rc7, i would try 2.6.30-1 vanilla or debinas SID |
| 13:30.14 | dutchfish | s/debinas/debians |
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| 13:30.42 | cantido | enouf: it doesn't track it like it does installed packages though, that's what I meant |
| 13:30.45 | telmich | dutchfish: the really strange thing is, that ldconfig used to work some hours ago, before giving the dist-upgrade a try |
| 13:30.54 | enouf | bassliner: note; there is no 'default install' |
| 13:31.16 | dutchfish | telmich, you changed /etc/apt/sources.lst ? |
| 13:31.17 | enouf | cantido: then i misunderstand you - and i still do |
| 13:31.43 | dutchfish | telmich, iow does it point to lenny? |
| 13:31.46 | bassliner | enouf: i know, but there was a point immediately after the install i did. |
| 13:31.50 | enouf | bassliner: there's likely also a /var/log/installer/syslog* |
| 13:31.53 | dutchfish | telmich, or testing? |
| 13:31.53 | cantido | enouf: so, it logs what it's doing.. to dpkg.log. But it doesn't record when a package was installed as part of the meta data it keeps. |
| 13:32.05 | telmich | dutchfish: yep, it contains all three (stable, testing, unstable) but I pinn'd to stable via preferences |
| 13:32.19 | dutchfish | telmich, x fingers |
| 13:32.26 | telmich | dutchfish: why? |
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| 13:32.32 | bassliner | enouf: yeah that logfile stuff looks good |
| 13:32.40 | bassliner | enouf: thank you. |
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| 13:33.13 | dutchfish | telmich, i had my fair share messing up systems with pinning from unstable, i tend to backport to stable more and more |
| 13:33.18 | telmich | I thought that apt-get -t <release> install thingy keeps track of what it does and uses only the required packages from <release> and the rest from highest preference |
| 13:33.32 | dutchfish | telmich, and i mean making debs |
| 13:33.40 | telmich | dutchfish: interesting |
| 13:34.06 | dutchfish | telmich, its more work i admit, but it save dmy butt a couple of times |
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| 13:35.43 | dutchfish | telmich, 2e do yourslef a favor and make an extra partition, with a know good state to boot in, so you can always debootsrap a new systemin the other |
| 13:35.50 | telmich | dutchfish: ok, will keep that in mind, although that's a bit strange (as I thing .deb is one of the superior packet formats that can do a lot of stuff) |
| 13:36.10 | dutchfish | telmich, yes, but unstable = ehe ... unstable |
| 13:36.25 | telmich | dutchfish: maybe a good idea - though I've to find a good state once (never reached that here) |
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| 13:36.37 | telmich | dutchfish: will, I did never use packages from unstable, only testing |
| 13:37.07 | telmich | is currently browsing through dpkg.log to find out where the first error occured |
| 13:37.07 | cantido | I thought everybody knew mixing was a bad idea? :~ |
| 13:37.26 | dutchfish | telmich, compile your own kernel, if not otherwise possible on another machines, start with oldconfig and your hardware specific ammendments and make kp-mantra do the rest |
| 13:37.31 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 13:38.15 | telmich | dutchfish: thanks for the hints |
| 13:38.19 | telmich | hmm |
| 13:38.20 | telmich | 2009-07-11 15:09:25 upgrade libc6 2.7-18 2.9-12 |
| 13:38.21 | dutchfish | telmich, yw |
| 13:38.39 | jvm | hi. i can connect to icq service with pidgin via the server login.icq.com:5190. i can connect to my server abc with ssh without any problems. i tried to use port forwarding for my icq connection: "ssh -L 9999:login.icq.com:5190 abc" - which gives me a shell on my server. i reconfigured pidgin to use localhost:9999 as an icq server and got "Connection refused." - i expected that it would behave exactly the way it did before, since localhost:99 |
| 13:38.39 | jvm | 99 should be forwarded via the server abc to login.icq.com:5190, which is working when i use this directly. can anyone give me a hint where the problem lies? |
| 13:39.11 | telmich | is there somewhere a cdecl like tool for apt/dpkg that does "explain to me, why dpkg chose this version of a package"? |
| 13:39.27 | dutchfish | telmich, 2.7-18 is squeeze! |
| 13:39.37 | cantido | jvm: have you tried using the -v switch on ssh? |
| 13:40.55 | enouf | telmich: 'apt-get -f install' just might work |
| 13:40.59 | telmich | dutchfish: now I'm completly confused -- will reboot and try the two new kernels |
| 13:41.19 | telmich | enouf: already tried, it also fails, because ldconfig fails |
| 13:41.32 | enouf | ok, was worth a shot |
| 13:41.35 | telmich | so hopefully "brb" |
| 13:41.43 | dutchfish | telmich, ok, just dont break things with pinning, i rather tend to start with stable and work from there with my own builded kernels |
| 13:41.56 | dutchfish | telmich, good luck |
| 13:43.22 | jvm | cantido, http://pastebin.com/m2100a6d8 |
| 13:44.08 | jvm | it definitely gets the connection from pidgin, but pidgin shows "Lost connection with server; Connection reset by peer" |
| 13:44.23 | jvm | (sorry, mentioned the wrong error message earlier.) |
| 13:44.41 | enouf | heh - http://www.eglibc.org/issues/ |
| 13:44.59 | cantido | jvm: so the forwarding is working.. have you tried connecting to that server from the other box? telnet host 5190 or something |
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| 13:47.44 | jvm | cantido, http://pastebin.com/mc4f8ab4 |
| 13:47.51 | jvm | not very interesting. |
| 13:48.00 | Koper | Hi.. I want to install the gd graphic library, I already installed "libgd2-xpm" and yet it seems nothing happened |
| 13:48.04 | Koper | It doesn't appear to be installed :/ |
| 13:50.26 | cantido | jvm: very weird |
| 13:50.35 | telmich | hmpf |
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| 13:50.49 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search gd graphic <-- Koper |
| 13:50.53 | telmich | the system does not boot anymore |
| 13:51.01 | enouf | Koper: apt-get update prior |
| 13:51.11 | telmich | from ubuntu, the partition table is empty |
| 13:51.13 | Koper | enouf, the one I want really seem to be libgd2-xpm |
| 13:51.19 | Koper | But it's already installed, and yet there are no header files |
| 13:51.23 | telmich | very weired stuff is giong on herer |
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| 13:51.50 | enouf | Koper: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
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| 13:52.10 | jvm | cantido, okay, i thought/hoped(?) i made some simple mistake, since i am using ssh port forwarding for the first time... |
| 13:52.10 | enouf | Koper: oH .. you want the -dev pkg |
| 13:52.27 | Koper | oh, i thought that meant the beta version of gd |
| 13:52.27 | enouf | libgd2-xpm-dev - GD Graphics Library version 2 (development version) |
| 13:52.46 | enouf | no, debian separates out the header files into -dev pkgs |
| 13:52.49 | jvm | cantido, i just tried doing "telnet localhost 9999", it behaves the same way as if i do it to directly to the target server from either of the machines. |
| 13:52.54 | Koper | ok thanks enouf |
| 13:53.16 | enouf | Koper: except for linux-headers-* for example ;-) |
| 13:53.21 | cantido | jvm: it maybe that irc doesnt use a single port and/or does some stuff with UDP |
| 13:53.27 | cantido | jvm: just looking it up |
| 13:53.28 | telmich | [ 2.444659] sda: unknown partition table |
| 13:53.31 | telmich | damnit |
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| 13:53.37 | jvm | cantido, icq, not irc. |
| 13:53.48 | cantido | jvm: sorry, thats what I meant :) |
| 13:55.25 | enouf | telmich: that sounds like no initrd support (or /boot on LVM or RAID or whatever) or something |
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| 13:56.16 | telmich | enouf: it sees /dev/sda without a partition table....and the bios does not boot grub anymore |
| 13:56.36 | telmich | here's something way more broken |
| 13:56.41 | cantido | jvm: http://protocolinfo.org/wiki/AIM .. says that are 3 connections made to, I think, different places for signon |
| 13:56.46 | enouf | sure ... i have a disk installed here with no partition table |
| 13:56.59 | cantido | jvm: s/that are/that there are/ |
| 13:57.02 | poisonbit | http://paste.debian.net/41614/ <-- should i mod something more ? |
| 13:57.46 | enouf | telmich: so why would you post a message, as an error, and then say dammit - and then, it's not an issue |
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| 13:59.17 | jvm | cantido, looks like for forwarding icq i should switch to a vpn based approach... |
| 13:59.24 | jvm | thanks a lot for your help and time. |
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| 14:02.55 | cantido | jvm: yeah, you could install a proxy on the other box too |
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| 14:03.38 | misha | hello, i have stable debian, but few packages are from testing, how do i get packages which are installed from testing? |
| 14:04.05 | telmich | narf, it really seems to be the case that my partition table is gone |
| 14:04.14 | stew | misha: try apt-show-versions |
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| 14:05.16 | misha | stew, thanks, will take a look] |
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| 14:05.46 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 14:06.04 | telmich | is installing ubuntu on the flash disk now and then trying to recover my stuff |
| 14:06.07 | metalfan_ | if some package needs updating, do i file a bug or contact the maintainer directly? |
| 14:06.22 | azeem | metalfan_: the former |
| 14:06.25 | stew | metalfan_: file a wishlist bug (if there isn't one already filed) |
| 14:06.30 | metalfan_ | thx |
| 14:08.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | Why ubuntu? telmich? Why not knoppix? |
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| 14:08.53 | Bilbo_Baggins | It may be a kde envior...but it works "well". |
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| 14:09.06 | hugo | hi |
| 14:09.36 | hugo | anyone help me? i'm getting this weird problem. http://pastebin.com/d3eb6c165 |
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| 14:09.57 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 14:09.59 | hugo | nothing seems to use vm10 but said it does |
| 14:11.04 | DustyDingo | i want to boot a netinstall from an usb stick, with syslinux, the bootloader runs correctly and loads the linux image and initrd but then it suddenly reboots |
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| 14:11.15 | TrickFinlay2 | Long time Centos user, first time Debian user. Just finished installing lenny on my Sun netra and issuing an "apt-get update/upgrade" does not give me any new packages. Is this because there arent very many for sparc? |
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| 14:11.31 | DustyDingo | i just put the debian-502-i386-netinst.iso image on the stick |
| 14:11.35 | TrickFinlay2 | or should I add a new repo? |
| 14:11.45 | DustyDingo | any ideas, what could be the problem? |
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| 14:11.56 | hugo | TrickFinlay2: i think it's ok |
| 14:12.23 | hugo | TrickFinlay2: lenny is stable, no so much updates there. |
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| 14:12.26 | TrickFinlay2 | hugo, but dont you think there would be atleast 1 package to upgrade? |
| 14:12.33 | TrickFinlay2 | ah |
| 14:12.46 | Koper | Is there a way to make mysql consider database names as case insensitive in mysql? |
| 14:12.54 | TrickFinlay2 | hugo, any additional repos you recommend adding? |
| 14:13.15 | TrickFinlay2 | im pretty sure the EPEL repos wont work for debian :p |
| 14:13.26 | hugo | TrickFinlay2: nothing. |
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| 14:13.53 | TrickFinlay2 | hmm really? |
| 14:14.34 | craigevil | the 5.02 installer pulls updates as it installs |
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| 14:14.52 | TrickFinlay2 | oh ok, thanks craigevil. that makes sense |
| 14:14.55 | craigevil | at least it does if you have a working net during the install |
| 14:15.10 | TrickFinlay2 | craigevil, yes, I did a netinstall |
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| 14:15.41 | craigevil | then you have the newest lenny packages |
| 14:16.01 | TrickFinlay2 | yup :) |
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| 14:19.21 | Koper | Anyone? :P |
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| 14:21.35 | asg | Koper: google for mysql case insensitive table names |
| 14:21.58 | Koper | Well, I already know I have to pass lower_case_table_names=1 on the mysql demon on startup |
| 14:22.04 | Koper | I just don't know how to make debian pass that argument |
| 14:22.10 | Koper | I tried googling lower_case_table_names debian, but came up with nothing |
| 14:22.19 | cantido | Koper: you can set that in your mysql config |
| 14:22.29 | Koper | You mean my.cfg? |
| 14:22.33 | cantido | Koper: yes |
| 14:22.45 | cantido | Koper: in the mysqld section of the config |
| 14:22.46 | Koper | I don't think that will work, it's not a config field |
| 14:22.50 | Koper | oh |
| 14:22.52 | Koper | Let me see |
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| 14:23.51 | cantido | Koper: command line args are usually passed in /etc/defaults/<app name> too.. so if you can't get that work, look ther |
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| 14:26.49 | Koper | hm, it's definitely not in my.cfg |
| 14:26.55 | Koper | And there is no mysql file in /etc/default/ |
| 14:27.12 | cantido | Koper: it's not there by default, but you can add it |
| 14:27.58 | Koper | And what should I put inside it? --lower_case_table_names=1 is what should be passed to mysqld |
| 14:27.59 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: /msg dpkg security (that's really all one needs to have an up to date Stable installation, at all times) |
| 14:28.06 | Koper | Should i simply put "--lower_case_table_names=1" ? |
| 14:28.18 | cantido | Koper: leave out the two dashes |
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| 14:28.24 | Koper | ok |
| 14:28.25 | Koper | Let's try |
| 14:28.31 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: though, there are rare exceptions |
| 14:28.55 | TrickFinlay2 | yeah |
| 14:29.23 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, you were helping me the other day with my Sun box, I just did a reinstall and it worked fine :) |
| 14:29.24 | cantido | Koper: I think most (probably all) commandline args can be put in the mysqld section of the config file |
| 14:29.44 | Koper | cantido: nothing, /etc/default/ doesn't work |
| 14:29.49 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: ahh .. sun netra sparc thingy? yep, i recall - all good |
| 14:29.56 | Koper | And I'm pretty sure lower_case_table_names can't, i'll try to look into its documentation more |
| 14:30.10 | cantido | Koper: I'm sure it can, I've used it |
| 14:30.16 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, yup |
| 14:30.26 | Koper | cantido, what's its conf name then? The doc says lower_case_table_names is a "system variable" |
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| 14:30.57 | cantido | Koper: system variables can be set in the mysqld section AFAIK |
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| 14:32.12 | Koper | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/server-system-variables.html |
| 14:32.13 | Koper | uhh |
| 14:32.13 | Koper | Great |
| 14:32.55 | Koper | It works |
| 14:32.56 | Koper | :)))) |
| 14:32.57 | Koper | Thanks cantido |
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| 14:35.15 | cantido | :) |
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| 14:36.42 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 14:39.49 | ph8 | guys, what (debian friendly) web hosting control panel would i use if I was starting a new web hosting company? |
| 14:40.25 | cantido | ph8: I wouldn't use any control panel, do it properly |
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| 14:42.33 | enouf | otherwise syscp, definitely not webmin ph8 |
| 14:42.38 | metalfan_ | does anbody know if the intel atom processor supports padlock? cant find information online |
| 14:42.58 | ph8 | You're such a liberal :) |
| 14:43.02 | ph8 | I ask because i've got a home grown solution but there's not enough money in web hosting to justify me coding my own control panel all the time |
| 14:43.17 | cantido | ph8: LDAP + PHPLdapAdmin |
| 14:43.19 | ph8 | what about cpanel? |
| 14:43.40 | enouf | metalfan_: what's padlock? |
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| 14:44.44 | enouf | $ grep PADLOCK /boot/config-2.6.29-2-686 |
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| 14:46.06 | cantido | metalfan_: padlock is a via thing no? |
| 14:46.41 | cantido | metalfan_: Anyhow, AFAIK there a no Atom machines with hardware encryption on board.. |
| 14:46.56 | enouf | ~$ modinfo padlock- |
| 14:46.57 | enouf | padlock-aes padlock-sha |
| 14:47.00 | DustyDingo | hm, booting from a pendrive doesn't work for me |
| 14:47.11 | DustyDingo | as decribed here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 14:47.15 | enouf | description: VIA PadLock AES algorithm support |
| 14:47.20 | weedar | ph8: cpanel doesn't support Debian, at least last time I checked they only offered a beta-version for Debian |
| 14:47.35 | enouf | description: VIA PadLock SHA1/SHA256 algorithms support. |
| 14:47.37 | DustyDingo | both, manual and the boot.img.gz won't work correctly |
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| 14:47.52 | ph8 | that makes me sad |
| 14:47.59 | DustyDingo | if i do it manually, the kernel is loaded and then sudden reboot |
| 14:48.20 | DustyDingo | with the boot.img.gz i only get a "boot error" |
| 14:48.26 | enouf | manually? |
| 14:48.55 | enouf | try altering your USB BIOS settings (enable/disable emulation, etc) |
| 14:49.04 | DustyDingo | installing syslinux etc. |
| 14:49.10 | DustyDingo | enouf: nope, thats not the problem |
| 14:49.21 | DustyDingo | i can boot from other usb drives |
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| 14:49.47 | enouf | same make/model? |
| 14:49.51 | DustyDingo | and as i said, i also can boot syslinux and load the kernel, which then just reboots |
| 14:49.53 | cantido | ph8: Apache + mod vhost ldap, PDNS + LDAP backend .. works fine, and you can share the config around a cluster of machines,.. no reloading apache to add no vhosts either |
| 14:49.58 | weedar | ph8: You'd install it on a freshly installed server anyway, installing a minimal centos doesn't take long or require much |
| 14:50.12 | enouf | well, then the kernel doesn't like it |
| 14:50.38 | weedar | cantido: what enables you to add vhosts without reloading apache? mod vhost? |
| 14:50.55 | cantido | weedar: mod vhost ldap doesnt need reloads |
| 14:51.03 | enouf | a2enmod? |
| 14:51.24 | jelly-home | ph8: cpanel replaces many components of the OS with their own; it's basically a small commercial distro, and what's underneath doesn't really matter |
| 14:51.31 | weedar | cantido: interesting ,thanks for sharing =) |
| 14:52.18 | DustyDingo | enouf: i will just try again |
| 14:53.12 | DustyDingo | don't know, this was never straight forward, i think it's the 4th time i am doing this with getting into troubles |
| 14:53.12 | cantido | weedar: it does have some trickyness, like you can't spec everything out in the LDAP schema,.. but you can do that in a .htaccess anyhow |
| 14:53.13 | enouf | DustyDingo: btw, you're not using amd64 arch, are you? |
| 14:53.13 | weedar | cantido: example of things you'd have to put in a .htaccess file? |
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| 14:53.19 | cantido | weedar: php options |
| 14:53.52 | cantido | weedar: that's only if they override you global settings though |
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| 14:54.22 | smacnay | Is there a sound coversion app (to do batch conversions) other than soundconverter? |
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| 14:55.07 | weedar | cantido: I wonder if that module would play nice with mod suPHP, if so you could put all php-settings in custom php.ini-files for each vhost |
| 14:55.51 | DustyDingo | enouf: bo, x86 |
| 14:55.54 | DustyDingo | *no |
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| 14:56.05 | enouf | DustyDingo: hrm, can you enable bootlogd? i bet some module from the initrd is screwing up the boot, such as fan or thermal .. or even a udev issue .. try rootdelay=15 as well (though that last one wouldn't cause a reboot) |
| 14:56.13 | cantido | weedar: if suPHP relates to the suexec setting apache has.. then it does support that |
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| 14:56.38 | DustyDingo | hm, could it be, that it just doesn't find the iso image? |
| 14:56.38 | cantido | weedar: it's pretty easy to patch the module to add extra settings though |
| 14:56.58 | enouf | DustyDingo: "i386" is the debian port/arch for 32bit x86 - "amd64" is the 64bit x86 port |
| 14:57.34 | DustyDingo | enouf: i know |
| 14:58.13 | enouf | then your 'x86' answer doesn't answer ;-) |
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| 14:59.35 | DustyDingo | i use the i386 image |
| 14:59.40 | weedar | cantido: no, "suPHP is a tool for executing PHP scripts with the permissions of their owners", you don't have to execute php with apache or nobody user |
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| 15:00.48 | cantido | weedar: ah ok,.. I think I remember seeing that now. You can change any options in the struct apache passes into the module, so you could add support for that |
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| 15:01.44 | weedar | cantido: nice. I'll have to look into that solution later today. Thanks |
| 15:01.45 | smacnay | seems gnome sound coverter wants a gstreamer plugin that "breaks" gnome. Too bad. |
| 15:01.55 | cantido | weedar: Having everything in LDAP or maybe MySQL or something is really nice if you have more than 5 machines to manage. :) |
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| 15:03.46 | weedar | cantido: I currently only have 3 web-servers, but it would take some load off of me if I could let customer-service create/edit/delete vhosts from a web-interface instead of me doing it by hand |
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| 15:06.06 | cantido | weedar: we try to have everything as fault tolerant as possible, which means servers all over the place running the same config.. having dns, mail, vhosts, users etc in ldap means that I do the change on one machine and it rattles out to all the slapd instances automagically |
| 15:07.47 | marcel` | how can i see what version of 'package' is in the repository? |
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| 15:08.23 | enouf | marcel`: there's apt-show-versions, apt-cache policy (run update prior) |
| 15:08.34 | marcel` | aptitude search 'package' doesnt seem to work |
| 15:08.41 | weedar | cantido: we do have dns, dhcp and mail in a database. And there is an existing solution for vhosts in our system, but it's not good enough so I'm thinking I'll create a replacement from scratch. |
| 15:08.52 | marcel` | enouf: thanks is there a way to check it with aptitude? i would like to stay with one 'tool' |
| 15:08.58 | enouf | marcel`: it's dependent upon which release you're using... and other things |
| 15:09.08 | enouf | marcel`: or just search at p.d.o |
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| 15:09.26 | marcel` | !p.d.o |
| 15:09.26 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 15:10.02 | marcel` | enouf: sorry but what does p.d.o mean? |
| 15:10.03 | enouf | marcel`: i'm sure aptitude can do it - but all i know about aptitude is install aptitude-doc-en pkg and read? |
| 15:10.34 | weedar | cantido: I know too little about LDAP, but is there any reason to choose LDAP instead of a regular database like MySQL or PostgreSQL? It's just a directory service, like AD, right? |
| 15:10.36 | marcel` | enouf: hehe ok ill google for it again :) thanks for your time.. if i find it ill report it to you. maybe for the next nub ;x |
| 15:10.51 | enouf | marcel`: both apt and aptitude use libapt and the same database., so using something like apt-show-versions wouldn |
| 15:10.54 | enouf | t be bad |
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| 15:13.49 | hark | marcel`: aptitude show package |
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| 15:15.33 | enouf | hark: is there also a 'showpkg' as well? |
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| 15:16.20 | marcel` | hark: yep that was it, thanks |
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| 15:17.24 | marcel` | i never really installed a vga driver on debian. but now i have a new motherboard with a vga onboard (intel). could someone point me to the right documentation? alot that i find is old or outdated |
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| 15:17.55 | hark | enouf: don't think so, you can probably get aptitude to display something or the other with its various switches and so on... but what's the point? imo, apt-cache is better at it |
| 15:18.02 | enouf | marcel`: apt-cache policy pkgname is what i use - shows installed and available versions |
| 15:18.13 | enouf | hark: indeed |
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| 15:18.23 | marcel` | enouf: thats a nice one so you have a total overvieuw |
| 15:18.50 | enouf | marcel`: again, just insure you run update prior, so your local database (cache) is up to date |
| 15:19.02 | marcel` | enouf: yes i understand, but thanks.. |
| 15:19.13 | marcel` | enouf: could you maybe awnser my vga related question? |
| 15:19.22 | enouf | which is? |
| 15:19.58 | hark | enouf: like take apt-cache policy versions here, with aptitude it's aptitude -F "%M %p %25v %25V" search '~n^packagename$' |
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| 15:21.10 | enouf | hark: ouch .. heh |
| 15:21.17 | marcel` | i never really installed a vga driver on debian. but now i have a new motherboard with a vga onboard (intel). could someone point me to the right documentation? alot that i find is old or outdated |
| 15:21.21 | marcel` | enouf: |
| 15:21.44 | hark | marcel`: you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 15:21.47 | enouf | marcel`: you mean a Framebuffer for Console for intel? |
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| 15:22.07 | enouf | marcel`: add vga=NNN if you want to use just VESAfb |
| 15:22.07 | hark | marcel`: just install xorg |
| 15:22.22 | marcel` | hark: really? how can i check how much megs it gets/uses? |
| 15:22.27 | craigevil | marcel`: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ |
| 15:22.43 | marcel` | enouf: could you explain what frambuffer means? |
| 15:22.52 | enouf | !framebuffer |
| 15:22.52 | dpkg | somebody said framebuffer was a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon> or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. To disable framebuffer usage by Debian Installer, supply the "debian-installer/framebuffer=false" boot option. |
| 15:22.53 | marcel` | enouf: in this context ofcourse |
| 15:23.13 | marcel` | hmm |
| 15:23.19 | enouf | marcel`: the main distinction we need to first know, is; is X involved? |
| 15:23.27 | enouf | !Xorg |
| 15:23.27 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. Ask me about <install x> if you are using Debian Etch or later. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:23.37 | marcel` | enouf: not yet, but it will be :) still setting up the system |
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| 15:24.04 | marcel` | enouf: well yes, its already installed need to fetch fluxbox from backports first ;x |
| 15:24.21 | enouf | marcel`: ok - and how about when you want to drop to console? (ctrl-alt-f1/2/3/4/5/6 - the TTYs) |
| 15:24.38 | marcel` | enouf: im in tty2 right now |
| 15:24.38 | hark | marcel`: lspci -v is one way |
| 15:24.48 | weedar | best advice I've read so far: "keep playing with it until it works. " (from tor-docs) |
| 15:25.09 | enouf | weedar: does it mention anything about lotion? |
| 15:25.22 | marcel` | lol |
| 15:25.53 | weedar | enouf: no :-( |
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| 15:27.39 | marcel` | enouf: i dont really understand why did you ask about the ttys? |
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| 15:29.10 | enouf | marcel`: i still don't know what you're asking about "installing a VGA driver" |
| 15:29.39 | fxiny | sings to enouf : "i'm in motion , such emotion in that lotion ... " |
| 15:29.48 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 15:30.01 | enouf | notices fxiny lost his JJ :-p |
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| 15:30.20 | marcel` | enouf: this system is gonna be a desktop so for browsing ect. but i would like to make sure the vga is supported correctly (for instance i read something about install drivers if you have a nvidea card, not that i have one) |
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| 15:30.45 | enouf | hey fxiny - is the 'x' silent or is it the 'f'? |
| 15:31.08 | enouf | or .. is it effects+iny ? |
| 15:31.24 | jungleboy | how to make cronjob work not on file, /usr/bin/php /var/www/jobs_begin.php, but on folder /usr/bin/php /var/www/jobs/ |
| 15:31.42 | jungleboy | automaticaly find file by .htaccess? |
| 15:31.50 | fxiny | enouf: is not a short story but if you insist : "according to the vega ..." |
| 15:31.58 | enouf | marcel`: ok, well, X will handle all of that - it autoconfigures itself, loads the proper driver (most times) and just works[tm] |
| 15:32.43 | enouf | marcel`: if you need help later; ask us - you'll likely be using the xorg 'intel' driver, "man intel", once you install Xorg |
| 15:32.47 | fxiny | enouf: rot13 me up , a fast torpedo |
| 15:33.03 | enouf | !confuse fxiny |
| 15:33.03 | dpkg | No, those was your weasel yesterday, fxiny? Lederhosen of the Republic of Belarus with extra crabpaste. |
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| 15:34.20 | Pnux | lol |
| 15:34.33 | marcel` | enouf: ok thanks |
| 15:34.34 | enouf | marcel`: 'xorg' is the debian metapackage which will install what you want/need, and possibly some more that you don't - but it should be ~100MB total or something - otherwise, you're installing Recommends as per the default settings |
| 15:35.02 | marcel` | enouf: thanks again |
| 15:35.14 | enouf | marcel`: installing recommends isn't a bad thing - only concern is space - and HDD bits are cheap |
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| 15:35.23 | enouf | welcome |
| 15:35.39 | marcel` | i just did 'apt-get -t lenny-backports install fluxbox' to get fluxbox 1.1.1 instead of 1.0.0 but now it still installs fluxbox 1.0.0. i dont understand what im doing wrong |
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| 15:36.18 | enouf | judd: versions fluxbox |
| 15:36.18 | judd | enouf: fluxbox -- etch: 0.9.14-1.2 etch-backports: 1.0.0+deb1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.0+deb1-8 sid: 1.1.1-2 squeeze: 1.1.1-2 experimental: 1.1.1-3 |
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| 15:36.38 | marcel` | enouf: nice bot feature :) |
| 15:36.57 | enouf | hrm .. where's lenny-backports there? .. or just needs an update? |
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| 15:37.10 | enouf | marcel`: indeed, thank themill and stew |
| 15:37.12 | marcel` | enouf: ill try an update again just to be sure |
| 15:37.29 | hark | because it's not in backports |
| 15:37.32 | marcel` | stew: ty |
| 15:37.35 | enouf | marcel`: did you follow what /msg dpkg backports says to do? |
| 15:38.03 | marcel` | enouf: not yet but i followed the documentation on backports.org |
| 15:38.13 | fxiny | no flux bpo yet ,still 1.0.0 --> http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/f/fluxbox/ |
| 15:38.19 | enouf | hark: er.. because "lenny-backports" isn't in backports? :-P or .. b/c fluxbox isn't :-) |
| 15:38.44 | marcel` | strang i though i already have 1.1.1 at home with backports |
| 15:38.49 | marcel` | s/strang/strange/ |
| 15:39.02 | marcel` | (im not at home now) |
| 15:39.11 | enouf | marcel`: i really hope you're on Debian, and not some variant |
| 15:39.33 | marcel` | enouf: hehe yeah im on debian :) i know im a noob but not that nubish |
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| 15:39.50 | fxiny | morphs into a jackal and point marcel to a fine wm : xmonad |
| 15:39.52 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 15:40.03 | DustyDingo | any ideas, where i can find etch iso images? |
| 15:40.05 | marcel` | fxiny: haha you again ;x you told me before |
| 15:40.15 | marcel` | DustyDingo: http://www.debian.org? |
| 15:40.29 | hark | !cd archive |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:40.34 | fxiny | marcel`: yes ? i need some pills then :P |
| 15:40.35 | enouf | marcel`: not anymore - he wants the installer |
| 15:40.46 | marcel` | sorry :x |
| 15:40.55 | enouf | marcel`: no porbs |
| 15:41.00 | fxiny | marcel`: i'm like enouf lotion man ;) |
| 15:41.01 | marcel` | im going to eat now mom just called... still bugged about bpo |
| 15:41.06 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 15:41.07 | marcel` | well after dinner again then hehe |
| 15:41.18 | marcel` | ty so far for everyone who tried to help me |
| 15:41.25 | enouf | marcel`: it's not in backports ... yet .. if ever |
| 15:41.31 | DustyDingo | thx hark |
| 15:41.44 | marcel` | enouf: thats strange.. maybe im confused then |
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| 15:42.32 | rgr | could someone help me tidy up an aptitude issue please. emacs-snapshot error: |
| 15:42.33 | rgr | dpkg: error processing emacs-snapshot (--configure): |
| 15:42.33 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | rgr: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 15:42.46 | rgr | How to go about debugging this and fixing it? |
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| 15:43.43 | rgr | pasted "error using aptitude" at http://paste2.org/p/317344 |
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| 15:43.58 | Akuw | hi |
| 15:43.59 | CargolSS | can someone tell me what the **** is wrong with sound(alsa) in Lenny? |
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| 15:44.16 | Akuw | what files are used to configure my ethernet card? |
| 15:44.25 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 15:44.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 15:44.39 | enouf | Akuw: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 15:45.04 | K-Zodron | guys, is there any reason the debian lenny repos have lighttpd 1.4.19(-5) and not 1.4.23 ? |
| 15:45.04 | enouf | Akuw: you mean configure your net? |
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| 15:45.10 | enouf | er connection? |
| 15:45.39 | enouf | K-Zodron: timing? |
| 15:46.07 | enouf | K-Zodron: Stable releases go through a freeze period prior to release - (actually a few) |
| 15:46.12 | K-Zodron | enouf timing what? according to the repos changelog the latest change to the lighttpd package is like 2008, while the newest lighty was released june this year |
| 15:46.26 | enouf | !wwlr |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 15:46.30 | enouf | heh |
| 15:46.36 | fxiny | hahaah |
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| 15:46.41 | craigevil | 1.4.23 is in sid there is probably a reason for that |
| 15:46.56 | enouf | same as most other software |
| 15:47.08 | K-Zodron | so basically i'm running some old vulnerable shit from last year because of some freezing period ? |
| 15:47.15 | hark | !meaning of stable |
| 15:47.15 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 15:47.25 | fxiny | vuln shit ? i don't think so |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | K-Zodron: it's probably not vulnerable |
| 15:47.31 | Akuw | this is the file http://www.pastebin.ca/1491875 |
| 15:47.39 | enouf | K-Zodron: you forgot to take your pills this morning |
| 15:47.41 | K-Zodron | ok, then I guess i'm not at loss here, thanks |
| 15:47.47 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:47.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 15:48.14 | Akuw | but i don't understand, because when i use ping to 100.100.10.2 the server respond, but the lines defining that IPs are commented |
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| 15:50.19 | Akuw | the server is getting 100.100.10.2 from DHCP? |
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| 15:57.04 | datenritter | how can i leave the search results in aptitude? how cn i sort the packages alphabetically (like with o and O in dselect)? |
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| 15:58.59 | datenritter | oh, answer to q1 is: "q" |
| 15:59.07 | datenritter | or... |
| 15:59.10 | datenritter | no, it's not |
| 15:59.11 | datenritter | :( |
| 15:59.22 | beli | datenritter: the answer is to read the manual :) |
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| 15:59.37 | datenritter | beli: the funny thing is: i DID. |
| 15:59.43 | datenritter | help and manpage |
| 15:59.49 | datenritter | not thoroughly though |
| 15:59.56 | beli | -o and -O thats what it tells me |
| 16:00.05 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 16:00.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:00.20 | datenritter | :-D |
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| 16:05.41 | mns | I've just installed Rhythmbox on my system. When I play a song in it though, I get no sound output. If I use my other music player (Emacs/EMMS) it works just fine. |
| 16:05.50 | mns | Any thoughts/suggestion ? |
| 16:06.13 | datenritter | hmm, "man aptitude" doesn't mention any keys anyway. :( |
| 16:07.36 | abrotman | mns: which version of debian? did you double check all the sound levels? |
| 16:08.50 | mns | abrotman: I'm using Debian/squeeze. Everything is set to high. And now I just found out that after trying to import my music folder into Rhythmbox, I've lost a lot of files. Where is the "Trash" kept that Rhythmbox talks about ? |
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| 16:09.17 | abrotman | mns: i don't use it that much |
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| 16:09.31 | abrotman | mns: i was just going to try to help with the sound |
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| 16:10.32 | nsadmin | mns check the man page as well as any additional info in /usr/share/doc/rhythmbox |
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| 16:11.38 | mns | abrotman: thanks, I think I need to find my "lost" music first. that's a huge chunk of my collection. When I was importing the ~/Music folder, it couldn't decode the MP3s, so I told it "move to trash" in the "Import Errors" view. Like an idiot I thought it meant move the error messages to Trash not the actual files ! |
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| 16:11.51 | mns | nsadmin: thanks I'll look around there. |
| 16:13.29 | martianlobster | I am installing debian 5.0. I have the option of Install or graphical install. What is the difference? Should I just do the graphical install, considering I haven't installed debian in about 6 years? |
| 16:14.23 | mns | martianlobster: graphical install will give you a nice GUI, regular install is console based. You should be fine with either. |
| 16:14.36 | martianlobster | mns ok thanks |
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| 16:15.17 | nsadmin | btw my aptitude man page has formatting errors... I see things like \fBinstall\fR |
| 16:15.24 | martianlobster | is there a faq somewhere about doing installs? |
| 16:15.43 | nsadmin | the release notes and the install guide |
| 16:17.00 | nsadmin | the graphical install is probably just prettier |
| 16:17.16 | martianlobster | ok this is it I guess: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 16:18.21 | nsadmin | what brings you back? |
| 16:19.22 | SuperMiguel | is debian going to fully support zfs? |
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| 16:19.41 | hark | nsadmin: are you running etch? |
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| 16:20.03 | nsadmin | yeah, how'd you know? |
| 16:20.33 | hark | nsadmin: the aptitude man page issue.. tsk tsk |
| 16:21.42 | nsadmin | evidently that got fixed :) |
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| 16:23.16 | hark | yeah :) |
| 16:23.52 | enouf | SuperMiguel: no linux will, IINM |
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| 16:24.03 | SuperMiguel | enouf, open solaris does |
| 16:24.33 | enouf | (licensing issues) |
| 16:24.42 | enouf | SuperMiguel: so does Sun, so what? |
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| 16:25.22 | SuperMiguel | enouf, open solaris is linux... |
| 16:25.36 | enouf | SuperMiguel: try btrfs, report bugs, see if oracle can do something for us |
| 16:25.38 | mns | ok, so all the files that get moved to "Trash" get moved to ~/.local/share/Trash/files. Using a file manager (Thunar) I was able to use its "Restore" facility and restore everything. phew. No lost files. |
| 16:25.43 | enouf | !opensolaris |
| 16:25.44 | nsadmin | open solaris is also sun's os |
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| 16:27.01 | hark | that would be a qotd if it wasn't a troll |
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| 16:28.35 | mns | SuperMiguel: OpenSolaris != linux. Nexenta = OpenSolaris kernel + Debian package management/userland. |
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| 16:32.53 | icem | "/msg dpkg |
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| 16:36.04 | khaije|amalt | random question, why does it seem like debian goes so long without updated kernel packages sometimes (even in experimental or unstable) |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | khaije|amalt: unstable has a .30 kernel |
| 16:37.04 | khaije|amalt | abrotman: which is awesome but wasn't the one before that .26 ? |
| 16:37.12 | abrotman | no, a .29 |
| 16:37.40 | khaije|amalt | abrotman: so is it updated regularly? maybe i'm just looking in the wrong place... |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | perhps |
| 16:38.30 | khaije|amalt | apt-cache policy linux-image (shouldn't that do it?) |
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| 16:44.00 | abrotman | khaije|amalt: that's not even a package |
| 16:44.39 | enouf | khaije|amalt: i have a .28 and a .29 here, on sid .. it's all about timing :-P |
| 16:45.38 | Akuw | how can i see a server using DB9? i am using Sun Netra T1 |
| 16:45.41 | khaije|amalt | enouf: so do the more recent kernels make it into testing or unstable or do they mostly live in experimental |
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| 16:45.53 | Akuw | this have only a RJ45 ports |
| 16:46.23 | enouf | khaije|amalt: both - or, all of the above |
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| 16:46.53 | khaije|amalt | what should i be checking for to see whats available, i guess apt-cache policy linux-image isn't right? |
| 16:46.55 | enouf | khaije|amalt: /msg dpkg trunk kernel (for ~experimentals) |
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| 16:47.23 | enouf | khaije|amalt: those are not packaged though - you should use what's pkg'd as a linux-image-VERSION |
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| 16:47.42 | enouf | well, many are packaged, jsut ... |
| 16:48.06 | hark | khaije|amalt: apt-cache search -n linux-image |
| 16:48.41 | enouf | you can't build other things without other pkgs, such as -headers- and -kbuild- and such - so for many, they shouldn't be attempting trunk |
| 16:49.15 | enouf | khaije|amalt: run apt-get update prior |
| 16:49.45 | jelly-home | Akuw: you need a correct serial cable for your old netra |
| 16:50.03 | Akuw | i found one |
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| 16:51.00 | khaije|amalt | enouf: thats where i was about 6 months ago, there were image debs available but not the linux-headers or kbuild or something like that |
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| 16:51.15 | enouf | righto |
| 16:52.06 | enouf | well, there are both, linux-image-VERSIONs with no -kbuild- avail, and there are just ~experimental trunks, etc |
| 16:52.07 | khaije|amalt | ok so as far as easy-peasy straight repo kernel upgrades it's fairly infrequent, no? |
| 16:52.28 | enouf | but you can build kbuild, but as i said, most should wait :-P |
| 16:52.45 | jelly-home | khaije|amalt: that page on wiki explains how to create linux-kbuild-* packages |
| 16:53.12 | enouf | khaije|amalt: 1683856 Feb 18 21:49 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-1-686 |
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| 16:53.19 | enouf | 1706928 May 17 16:23 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 16:53.44 | enouf | notice the dates khaije|amalt - not that i care about exactly when they were uploaded to mirrors |
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| 16:55.09 | d_b | Hi, I'm looking for a program to download podcasts. It has to be in the repositories and I prefer command line, but it doesn't *have to* be if it's good enough. Right now I'm using gpodder but I don't like how all the files downloaded end up with a weird filename and how it temporarily hangs when starting a download |
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| 16:58.10 | g00se | d_b: wget? |
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| 16:58.54 | abrotman | d_b: so `apt-cache search podcast` doesn't give you any alternatives |
| 16:58.57 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:59.03 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 16:59.46 | rozie | d_b: amarok has podcast support |
| 16:59.51 | d_b | g00se: doesn't seem like the best solution. I don't want every episode. Right now I look through the lists and grab what seems interesting. |
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| 16:59.55 | bododo | anyone using the latest kernel? Any advise please |
| 17:00.21 | d_b | abrotman: ah thanks, I did aptitude search podcast before but that didn't give me anything |
| 17:00.27 | bmxdude0 | how important is atd? |
| 17:00.31 | rozie | bododo: define "the latest" |
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| 17:00.41 | enouf | bmxdude0: pretty |
| 17:00.45 | abrotman | bmxdude0: probably not something you should remove |
| 17:00.50 | bododo | I'd like to compile a custom one, but I'd like to be aware of specific cases |
| 17:00.52 | bmxdude0 | I upgraded from 4.0 to 5.0 and dpkg couldnt restart it |
| 17:01.02 | bmxdude0 | I can restart it manually but not through dpkg |
| 17:01.10 | bododo | rozie: the one from kernel.org, 2.6.30.1 I think? |
| 17:01.23 | enouf | bmxdude0: dpkg doesn't start/stop daemons |
| 17:01.32 | pepperbob | bododo: you ever dealed with that? |
| 17:01.34 | g00se | podget,podracer,hpooder |
| 17:01.41 | g00se | hpodder |
| 17:01.50 | enouf | bmxdude0: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 17:01.53 | rozie | bododo: there are newer, but this is last stable one ;) |
| 17:01.55 | bododo | pepperbob: no, actually, that'd be my first time :) |
| 17:01.55 | enouf | bmxdude0: /msg dpkg services |
| 17:02.01 | enouf | bmxdude0: /msg dpkg startup |
| 17:02.24 | rozie | bododo: and the question is...? |
| 17:02.24 | bododo | rozie: ah yes :) is this article still valid? http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ ? |
| 17:02.39 | pepperbob | bododo: it can be really tricky when it comes to specific hardware... but why don't you just get the sources and just give it a try? |
| 17:02.53 | rozie | bododo: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 17:02.56 | bododo | I mean is there specific things I have to pay attention to? (since that'd be my 1st) :) |
| 17:02.59 | abrotman | bododo: why are you cmpiling a kernel ? |
| 17:03.10 | rozie | works fine for any 2.6 |
| 17:03.17 | rozie | worked for 2.4... |
| 17:03.20 | pepperbob | bododo: well, no. after you compiled your kernel you'll see if i'll be able to run :) |
| 17:03.24 | bododo | abrotman: well, pedagogical :) |
| 17:03.38 | pepperbob | bododo: and if it panics... well boot the actual one |
| 17:03.52 | bododo | pepperbob: so, okay, and I'll have to keep the old image in my yaboot |
| 17:03.52 | g00se | bododo: Why do you need a custom atd? |
| 17:04.10 | pepperbob | bododo: that would be a good idea imho |
| 17:04.16 | bododo | g00se: I'd like to do it at least once in my life :) |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:04.42 | bododo | pepperbob: i'm a ppc, so yes, the hardware specifcations are different |
| 17:05.12 | bododo | abrotman: why *not*? :) I'd like to learn |
| 17:05.12 | g00se | bododo: You see making a custom atd as a rite of passage? |
| 17:05.20 | bododo | maybe I'll hack it later |
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| 17:05.34 | abrotman | bododo: it's really not that exciting or useful |
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| 17:05.46 | bododo | g00se: of course no, I've been using gnu/linux since many years now |
| 17:05.54 | pepperbob | bododo: i used to run gentoo - and believe it or not after my third try i ran into a generic kernel... to weird that is.. :) |
| 17:06.51 | bododo | pepperbob: yes, I understand :) Actually I choosed debian (was on fedora, and before that mdk and redhat) because of its "minimalism". I just wanted something to *actually* work on |
| 17:07.25 | pepperbob | debian is by far one of the greatest distributions :) |
| 17:07.28 | pepperbob | imho ^ |
| 17:07.39 | bododo | I agree :) |
| 17:07.52 | rozie | bododo: description seems to be OK |
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| 17:08.05 | rozie | as I said - it's just one command |
| 17:08.14 | bododo | rozie: ok, thanks for taking the time to review it! |
| 17:08.16 | rozie | (assume you have config) |
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| 17:08.28 | bododo | I'll customize the config, I think |
| 17:08.40 | poisonbit | i don't want my motd to be overwrited by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh... should I edit bootmisc.sh? or there is another way |
| 17:08.52 | bododo | for eg. the amateur radio thingy, I don't need it |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | bododo: make sure you have a backup kernel |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | d_b: btw .. aptitude search "~dpodcast" .. would work for you |
| 17:09.23 | rozie | if you want initrd, use --initrd while make_kpkg |
| 17:09.40 | bododo | abrotman: the one in /boot right now, won't be erased right? I'll just have to add a new entry to yaboot.conf? |
| 17:09.49 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 17:09.49 | dpkg | kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 17:10.13 | d_b | abrotman: what does the ~d part mean? |
| 17:10.45 | abrotman | d_b: aptitude has documentation |
| 17:11.07 | bododo | dpkg: wait, isn't this mantra the cmd I need to buyild it? :) |
| 17:11.07 | dpkg | bododo: are you using Windows? |
| 17:11.32 | bododo | dpkg: nope, debian lenny |
| 17:11.32 | dpkg | bododo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:11.32 | bododo | haven't touched windows since years now |
| 17:11.48 | bododo | is an idiot. a tired one |
| 17:12.05 | d_b | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:12.14 | bododo | dpkg: never mind, can I have a kiss? |
| 17:12.16 | dpkg | bododo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:12.22 | abrotman | please leave the bot alone |
| 17:12.30 | bododo | :) sorry |
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| 17:13.22 | mjh73ca | Does debian support installing onto a NFSroot? |
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| 17:22.46 | Koper | hey.. i have a debian server that acts as a web server, and I host different websites.. What's the best way to prevent users from accessing other users' files, and yet let apache access them all? |
| 17:22.48 | ajavid | hey |
| 17:22.53 | ajavid | dudes |
| 17:23.33 | cantido | Koper: in debian apache is ran as www-data.. make the files accessible to www-data and remove the other perms |
| 17:23.42 | mjh73ca | Well, by definition they files are going to be world readable |
| 17:23.55 | \amethyst | cantido: but then the users who own the web sites can't access the files |
| 17:24.13 | \amethyst | Koper: what kind of web sites? CGI, PHP, ruby on rails, ... ? |
| 17:24.14 | cantido | \amethyst: that's why you stick them in groups and set the group of the files as that group |
| 17:24.16 | Koper | cantido: but if I set the permissions to rw- r-- ---, and set the owner as "username" and the group as "www-data" |
| 17:24.21 | mjh73ca | a couple of strategies that I have used is to chroot jail the FTP account to the directory their file are in |
| 17:24.27 | Koper | Then users would be able to access each other files, because they would all be "www-data" |
| 17:24.30 | cantido | Koper: no, user www-data, group the users group |
| 17:24.48 | mjh73ca | The files are readable to the web site no? |
| 17:25.09 | \amethyst | cantido: but the user can't set those permissions... they'd need administrator action whenever they deploy a new file |
| 17:25.16 | \amethyst | cantido: since they can't chown their files away |
| 17:25.21 | mjh73ca | sticky bits |
| 17:25.30 | \amethyst | you could use ACLs |
| 17:25.31 | ajavid | does anyone use nano? |
| 17:25.35 | \amethyst | but still |
| 17:25.48 | \amethyst | the users can use their web apps to access each others' files |
| 17:25.49 | mjh73ca | Why not just set the group owner sticky bit? |
| 17:26.00 | Koper | Yes \amethyst, that's a big problem |
| 17:26.00 | cjns3274 | Is it possible to use freevo to play a directory of mp3's or .flv clips? |
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| 17:26.06 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: huh? you mean setgid? |
| 17:26.08 | Koper | What does the group owner sticky bit do? |
| 17:26.08 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/41630/ http://paste.debian.net/41630/ -- could anyone help me figure out how to color stuff outside the {} |
| 17:26.14 | ajavid | nano people |
| 17:26.27 | mjh73ca | It forces the new files created to be owned by the group |
| 17:26.35 | \amethyst | Koper: you might try suexec and/or suphp |
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| 17:26.42 | Koper | i'll look into it, thanks |
| 17:27.13 | \amethyst | Koper: so that CGIs and/or PHP scripts run as the owning user rather than www-data |
| 17:27.13 | fxiny | ajavid : nano ? wt4x ! |
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| 17:27.22 | ajavid | http://ws.podzone.org:8181/tmp/yaml.png http://paste.debian.net/41630/ -- could anyone help me figure out how to color stuff outside the {} |
| 17:27.26 | ajavid | sorry |
| 17:27.31 | ajavid | i pasted same link twice doh |
| 17:27.33 | Koper | \amethyst, but then new files would be created under the user's group, wouldn't they? |
| 17:27.40 | ajavid | fxiny, just look at screenshot |
| 17:27.55 | cantido | wonders how suphp or suexec work if PHP isn't a CGI |
| 17:28.00 | ajavid | fxiny, I want to color stuff outside the {} but like XXXXXX: like word colon |
| 17:28.01 | \amethyst | Koper: they would be owned by the user, so (with the right directory permissions or the right umask) accessible only by that user |
| 17:28.14 | Koper | hmm, i see |
| 17:28.16 | mjh73ca | With the sticky bit they get created with the group of the parent directory as I recall |
| 17:28.33 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: it's the setgid bit, not the sticky bit |
| 17:28.42 | mjh73ca | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.42 | mjh73ca | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.42 | mjh73ca | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.42 | mjh73ca | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.42 | mjh73ca | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.06 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: yes, that's something else |
| 17:29.09 | fxiny | ajavid: no idea , i use emacs , jed and vim |
| 17:29.15 | mjh73ca | Lame...booted for a 7 line paste |
| 17:29.20 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: sticky bit is chmod +t setgid is g+s |
| 17:29.26 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: you'll get booted for a four line paste |
| 17:29.30 | mjh73ca | Lame |
| 17:29.56 | ajavid | fxiny, here are the rules i think I need. 1) if a line contains a word followed by a full double dot : (colon) and thats it, then color it something say red. 2) if a line contains a indentation/tab/spaces then a word and then a colon, color is purple, 3) if a line contains indentation, word: AND {} on the same line, then color that differently |
| 17:30.02 | ajavid | these are the rules i need to write |
| 17:30.05 | ajavid | my regexp is horrible |
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| 17:30.14 | ajavid | I've tried a lot but I failed |
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| 17:30.22 | mjh73ca | Okay the setgid bit. I don't remember ever hearing it called that but same idea |
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| 17:30.37 | dustybin | \amethyst: do you live in a terminal? |
| 17:30.41 | cantido | \amethyst: user - www-data, group - the users group works fine here,.. I'm not sure if there's actually much point in suexec etc |
| 17:30.52 | \amethyst | dustybin: I have a bunch of terminals |
| 17:30.58 | dustybin | :D |
| 17:31.04 | \amethyst | cantido: that doesn't keep users' webapps from accessing each other's data |
| 17:31.09 | dustybin | \amethyst: do you use a tiling windows manager? |
| 17:31.21 | mjh73ca | I have to wonder why you need to restrict read access to files that are shared on the web..... |
| 17:31.28 | \amethyst | dustybin: no, I use sawfish with a 'traditional' mode |
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| 17:31.32 | cantido | \amethyst: that's why apache runs as www-data |
| 17:31.37 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: there are also things like user databases |
| 17:31.46 | dustybin | aye ok, need to check out sawfish |
| 17:31.48 | mjh73ca | MySQL doesn't use file permissions |
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| 17:32.05 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: what about the file that stores the database user/password ? |
| 17:32.06 | cantido | mjh73ca: mysql has authentication.. |
| 17:32.25 | mjh73ca | Okay, so just chroot the user to their own directory |
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| 17:32.53 | \amethyst | the user's webapp you mean? |
| 17:33.24 | mjh73ca | Well, the FTP and shell shouldn't be allowed anyway on a production web server |
| 17:33.35 | ajavid | well |
| 17:33.40 | ajavid | any ideas |
| 17:33.49 | lukas__ | Hi, I need to get somehow the list of programs that are bound to ports, I know how to get the list of programs that have active connection (netstat -p), but I have no ide which program is listening passively on eg http. Could you advise? |
| 17:34.03 | dustybin | debian would be wonderful if it used a installer like arch-linux, i dont see no reason why debian couldnt do it |
| 17:34.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:34.20 | abrotman | dustybin: then go use archlinux |
| 17:34.30 | dustybin | abrotman: its only the installer i like |
| 17:34.38 | dustybin | go check it out |
| 17:34.42 | abrotman | apparently you reinstall linux too much |
| 17:35.02 | mjh73ca | fuser -n tcp <port> |
| 17:35.10 | lukas__ | mjh73ca: oh .. |
| 17:35.15 | mjh73ca | Will tell you the pid using the port |
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| 17:35.25 | \amethyst | lukas__: netstat -lp |
| 17:35.37 | \amethyst | lukas__: -l is for listening ports, -a for all ports |
| 17:36.40 | fxiny | lemme have a nice day : no eyecandy in the morning , read installer , please :P |
| 17:36.46 | dustybin | the debian installer is not flexible at all |
| 17:36.47 | cantido | Koper: if you're really worried about webapps affecting each other, or hijacking each other you could run different hosts in vserver containers |
| 17:36.57 | dustybin | install desktop environment [*] |
| 17:36.57 | abrotman | dustybin: have you read any of the documentation? |
| 17:37.02 | dustybin | coughs |
| 17:37.10 | dustybin | no |
| 17:37.11 | Koper | cantido, that would be a lot of ram |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | typical |
| 17:37.17 | Koper | It's that users would have SSH access as well |
| 17:37.26 | Koper | So it's not only webabbs |
| 17:37.28 | Koper | *webapps |
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| 17:37.42 | cantido | Koper: dropbear or a script to enter the right vserver on login |
| 17:37.57 | mjh73ca | So they have shell access? Too many different ways to get access to files.....virtualize would be the most secure |
| 17:38.07 | lukas__ | \amethyst: oh, I did not know the -l, thanks |
| 17:38.19 | cantido | mjh73ca: virtalisation doesn't really offer "security" |
| 17:38.22 | Koper | Well, in theory linux is supposed to be good with strict access control isn't it? :P |
| 17:38.39 | mjh73ca | Well, if each customer has their own virtual machine it does |
| 17:38.42 | lukas__ | mjh73ca: the fuser was not working for me |
| 17:38.47 | lukas__ | mjh73ca: gave nothing |
| 17:38.58 | cantido | Koper: I'm trying to work out if you want to stop users reading files they shouldn't or stopping webapps reading files they shouldn't.. |
| 17:39.06 | mjh73ca | I tried it before I posted to make sure I had the syntax..dunno |
| 17:39.13 | \amethyst | poisonbit: meaning you have to write { foo && bar; } and not {foo && bar } |
| 17:39.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:39.19 | Koper | cantido, isn't it the same thing? |
| 17:39.22 | \amethyst | poisonbit: sorry, wrong nick-complete in the wrong channel |
| 17:39.24 | lukas__ | mjh73ca: I use fuser for locked files, but lsof give me usually better results, do you know why? |
| 17:39.32 | Koper | webapps run under the user's user, don't they? |
| 17:39.35 | Koper | Or under apache's? |
| 17:39.45 | \amethyst | Koper: under apache's by default |
| 17:39.51 | mjh73ca | Koper: Depends on the config |
| 17:39.52 | cantido | Koper: well, if all scripts are run as apache's user that means that user can run other peoples stuff too |
| 17:39.56 | dustybin | there is now a repo called 'volatile' ? what the heck is that? |
| 17:39.57 | \amethyst | Koper: that's what mod_suexec and suphp are for |
| 17:40.25 | mjh73ca | Lukas: No idea. I rarely need to know all of the files that are open so rarely use lsof |
| 17:40.27 | lafrance | anyone use ISPconfig by any chance? |
| 17:40.27 | cantido | dustybin: for volatile stuff |
| 17:40.37 | Koper | I see |
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| 17:40.40 | cantido | dustybin: like virus databases |
| 17:40.46 | fxiny | dustybin: spamasassin and claman |
| 17:40.50 | fxiny | clamav* |
| 17:41.02 | dustybin | wow interesting |
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| 17:42.14 | phorce1 | fxiny: scrub took about 30 minutes on a test 80G drive that had about 18G free space. When I informed the customer that cleaning their original drive (with almost a terabyte of free space among them) would take a couple of weeks of 24/7 cpu time they authorized new drives. Heh |
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| 17:42.17 | smacnay | sound converter does not want to install without removing gnome and gnome-desktop-environment. Is there a conflict with the gnome vfs stuff right now? |
| 17:42.41 | fxiny | phorce1: heheeh |
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| 17:43.12 | dustybin | haha 0wned |
| 17:43.13 | dustybin | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xyLI9dJj3lw/Slfz4wmjGtI/AAAAAAAAAzM/Ho9XhxXzmd8/s1600-h/imageshack-hacked.jpg |
| 17:43.15 | cantido | Koper: I don't really like the sound of running scripts as normal users.. becuase my normal users have mail and other stuff they probably don't want the webserver to have access to |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | dustybin: OFFTOPIC |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | some people never learn |
| 17:43.32 | dustybin | sorry |
| 17:44.14 | mjh73ca | cantido: Seperate the functions to seperate machines? |
| 17:44.22 | Koper | cantido, it's only a webserver |
| 17:44.38 | Koper | And the alternative is letting everyone have access to the web files of everyone else |
| 17:44.39 | Koper | Which is bad |
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| 17:45.06 | cantido | Koper: if it's just file access for logged in users, you can do that with directory permissions |
| 17:45.11 | fxiny | phorce1: tell 'em to buy an industrial video tape degaussing machine , i've seen one degaussing video tapes . small , fast , a strong magnet , it should do it , not 100% sure |
| 17:45.32 | cantido | mjh73ca: or just don't let random people install random shit on your servers |
| 17:45.44 | Koper | cantido: let's say that you have two users, Bob and Jack.. Jack has his mysql password in /home/jack/mysql_pass.php |
| 17:45.54 | mjh73ca | Even better, which is why I am the only one with shell on my servers |
| 17:45.58 | Koper | cantido: Bob could, through php's fopen() and fread() functions read that file and steal his password |
| 17:46.08 | Koper | (Without suphp or whatever it's called) |
| 17:46.33 | cantido | Koper: modphp will be running inside apache as www-data... so just remove the other permissions on that dir |
| 17:46.49 | \amethyst | cantido: so have it only accessible by www-data? |
| 17:47.02 | cantido | ah, *slaps forehead* |
| 17:47.06 | Koper | But then apache wouldn't be able to access mysql_pass.php, and jack's website would stop working |
| 17:47.24 | bmxdude0 | is iptables still the best way to secure ports or is there something new? |
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| 17:47.35 | Koper | If it's readable by www-data and scripts run as www-data, then everyone has access to everything |
| 17:47.44 | mjh73ca | bmxdude: hardware firewall? |
| 17:47.56 | mjh73ca | bmxdude: or just close the ports |
| 17:48.01 | abrotman | bmxdude0: iptables or some front end |
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| 17:48.29 | bmxdude0 | no its on a server |
| 17:48.35 | bmxdude0 | cool |
| 17:48.50 | phorce1 | fxiny: I'll stick the old drives in an offline Debian box and let scrub run of the raw devices. It's 2 terabytes in 3 drives (500G + 500G + 1TB). They're data only drives and I've already moved the encrypted data to the new drives. |
| 17:48.55 | mjh73ca | Okay, neither of my suggestions is invalid for a server..... |
| 17:49.14 | cantido | Koper: Apache still needs to have access to all the files though |
| 17:49.18 | bmxdude0 | what do you mean, 'just close the ports?' |
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| 17:49.41 | mjh73ca | Well, if you need to secure it disable the service. Can't get more secure than not running |
| 17:49.50 | phorce1 | fxiny: start scrub and walk away. Then start it again. In a month or so they'll have good backup drives |
| 17:49.51 | mjh73ca | If it needs to be running harden it |
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| 17:50.29 | mjh73ca | I still like hardware firewalls for that |
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| 17:50.50 | Koper | cantido, yes, but it can run the scripts under the owner's user |
| 17:50.54 | Koper | That would fix the problem |
| 17:50.58 | cantido | mjh73ca: Lots of "hardware" firewalls are broadcom soc's running linux |
| 17:51.19 | mjh73ca | You mean the toys? |
| 17:51.33 | phorce1 | needs to put an iptables box on the DSL router so he can block the same idjits there that he has blocked on the T-1 |
| 17:51.45 | fxiny | phorce1: scrub is good for you , not for them . if they ask you which procedure you followed |
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| 17:53.25 | phorce1 | fxiny: they just want to keep the drives (small company) and be certain that a "casual hacker" won't accidentally find any old customer data. After a double scrub it would take a data forensics team with deep pockets to retrieve anything. |
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| 17:53.39 | cantido | mjh73ca: How is linux anymore of a toy that some Cisco thing? |
| 17:53.50 | mjh73ca | Linux isn't, the toy routers are |
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| 17:54.15 | mjh73ca | Linx is good on a server. Servers serve, routers route |
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| 17:54.36 | cantido | Koper: mmm I'm sure the whole php safemode and basedir stuff were meant to these sorts of issues with PHP and then everyone decided that they weren't all that good afterall |
| 17:54.36 | myself | hey I tried to install firefox 3.5 by doing this method https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+question/76437 and i restarted firefox and it still says I have version 3.0.12 (on ubuntu) |
| 17:54.43 | locutus266 | Hi guys, I have a little problem with my local bind nameserver here lately. My logs are filled with "too many timeouts resolving xyz.com: reducing the advertised EDNS UDP packet size to 512 octets" The problem is that DNS lookups on clients sometimes timeout. While browsing I have to hit F5 repeatedly. Performance is really down now and I'd like to disable edns altogether. Any ideas? |
| 17:55.03 | locutus266 | BIND 9.5.1-P2 |
| 17:55.11 | fxiny | phorce1: yes , you can say i know dd , shred , badblocks and so on but i have this papers m scrub docs , it appears someone approved it , and i'm trying not to boil your drives up |
| 17:55.26 | cantido | mjh73ca: Linux is a general purpose operating system.. is does all sorts of things |
| 17:55.37 | mjh73ca | general purpose is the point |
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| 17:55.59 | mjh73ca | you rarely get the routing performance you would with a routing os |
| 17:56.56 | fxiny | phorce1: and tell 'em hackers are busy with coding ;) |
| 17:57.01 | mjh73ca | I have seriously bottlenecked WRT54GS with LAN to LAN traffic in routing mode. Was limited to like 200 KBps too slow for moving data. |
| 17:57.07 | phorce1 | fxiny: heh |
| 17:57.13 | cantido | mjh73ca: I have a sneaky feeling you could get very decent routing performance from very cheap x86 hardware |
| 17:57.57 | mjh73ca | Not as good as with ASIC's. You definately get cheaper memory but with all routing decisions having to move up to the CPU you are going to be limiting yourself |
| 17:58.13 | cantido | mjh73ca: yes, the WRT54GS is consumer grade equipment hence it ain't all that quick.. that doesn't make linux based routers toys. Being consumer grade makes it a toy |
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| 17:59.19 | mjh73ca | Not everything consumer grade is a toy though. I have used Linux boxes in the past as "routers" and found that real routers worked better/faster/easier |
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| 17:59.56 | abrotman | myself: you want #ubuntu |
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| 18:00.29 | Arrowmaster | mjh73ca: if it wasnt a distro designed to be a router than its likely the kernel wasnt compiles to make it a fast router |
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| 18:00.46 | myself | i figured it out anyway |
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| 18:00.52 | cantido | mjh73ca: Do you mean $100 worth of router or n * $1000 router? |
| 18:01.04 | mjh73ca | Oh no, the kernel is tied to the distro? lol....I compiled the kernel |
| 18:01.15 | abrotman | wonders when Debian started selling routers.. |
| 18:01.29 | mjh73ca | where n about 3 |
| 18:02.04 | mjh73ca | Is there any way to install Debian onto an NSLU2 with an NFS share as the root partition? |
| 18:02.12 | cantido | mmm for three grand you could have a very nice x86 debian based router.. |
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| 18:02.38 | mjh73ca | Well, I prefer Slackware, but to each their own. |
| 18:02.54 | cantido | mjh73ca: I don't think the installer can install to NFS directly. Best bet is to use debootstrap to create the nfs export |
| 18:02.57 | wald0 | i have my / root partition (JFS) in RO mode so i can't boot, anybody knows about this issue ? it has happened to me in the past |
| 18:02.58 | fxiny | routers ? they sell 400 Mhz powered routers like my beloved box ! |
| 18:03.35 | mjh73ca | Hmm...can I do that on an NSLU2? |
| 18:03.48 | fxiny | with a linux kernel , i think i read it last week , trying to remember |
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| 18:05.28 | deed02392 | how can i find out user information on debian? for example what group user 'nobody' belongs to |
| 18:05.43 | \amethyst | deed02392: id nobody |
| 18:06.11 | deed02392 | thanks |
| 18:06.57 | cantido | mjh73ca: you don't have to run debootstrap on the target machine |
| 18:07.24 | mjh73ca | Hmm...Looking into it now. |
| 18:07.43 | cantido | mjh73ca: but you could run it from whatever linux it's running already, cdebootstrap is what you need |
| 18:08.07 | mjh73ca | Well, my NSLU2 isn't running anything right now. The flash drive died |
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| 18:09.48 | abrotman | mjh73ca: did you try asking the #debian-arm channel? |
| 18:10.05 | mjh73ca | There was no life there last time I was |
| 18:10.17 | abrotman | on OFTC ? |
| 18:10.23 | mjh73ca | OFTC? |
| 18:10.27 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
| 18:10.33 | mjh73ca | I looked on here |
| 18:10.41 | fxiny | they should change channel name : it sounds like a pub :P |
| 18:10.49 | abrotman | >30 people in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:10.57 | mjh73ca | Too damn many servers |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | yeah .. two is a lot |
| 18:11.12 | mjh73ca | I am on about 6 |
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| 18:12.27 | abrotman | mjh73ca: did you find it ? |
| 18:12.33 | mjh73ca | yeah |
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| 18:15.03 | mjh73ca | No one alive over there it seems |
| 18:15.13 | dustybin | i have installed xorg, however, it has not created a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:15.22 | dustybin | i tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:15.30 | dustybin | and that didnt create a xorg.conf either |
| 18:15.48 | dustybin | have i gone xorg bonkers mad? |
| 18:16.02 | abrotman | dustybin: the file isn't htere at all ? |
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| 18:16.06 | dustybin | nope |
| 18:16.08 | dustybin | nothing |
| 18:16.15 | abrotman | does X start? |
| 18:16.18 | dustybin | i am using vmware fusion > debian lenny 64-bit |
| 18:16.31 | dustybin | yes x starts, and all i have is a grey background and a cross for a mouse |
| 18:16.45 | abrotman | so you didn't install a window manageR? |
| 18:16.57 | dustybin | well, xmonad is installed |
| 18:17.02 | dustybin | and dwm is installed |
| 18:17.08 | dustybin | i havent managed to get them to execute yet |
| 18:17.09 | mjh73ca | Which is set to run? |
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| 18:17.13 | dustybin | none |
| 18:17.15 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:17.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:17.42 | lyra | debian keeps freezing on me when i b rowse with the firefox. what the hell is going on ehre, this is like thre 10th time it completely stalls |
| 18:17.46 | deed02392 | no ftp daemons seem capable of maintaining an upload via passive passed a few kilobytes - what could it be? |
| 18:18.46 | dustybin | if i startx now, dwm starts up |
| 18:18.48 | deed02392 | dpkg: ', ' is listed twice. |
| 18:18.48 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, deed02392 |
| 18:18.49 | deed02392 | actually, never mind. |
| 18:18.55 | abrotman | lyra: tried another browser ? |
| 18:19.05 | lyra | abrotman, no,.. |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | lyra: do you mean iceweasel or firefox ? |
| 18:19.22 | lyra | ice |
| 18:19.27 | lyra | the deb ff i get |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | the what? |
| 18:19.36 | lyra | the debian version of direfox |
| 18:19.40 | lyra | eh, firefox. |
| 18:19.43 | lyra | ice weasel. yeah- |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | okay, have you tried safe mode ? |
| 18:19.44 | adb | mjh73ca: are you in #debian-arm ? (oftc) ? |
| 18:19.49 | mjh73ca | yes |
| 18:19.49 | deed02392 | it's ok dpkg, it appeared as though the commas seperating the recommended punctuation to be used were actually being recommeneded to be used, however upon closer inspection i realised my mistake. |
| 18:19.52 | adb | no |
| 18:20.01 | abrotman | adb: maybe he has a secret name? |
| 18:20.05 | mjh73ca | yes |
| 18:20.23 | lyra | abrotman, its not exactly easy to locate the cause of the freezing since it doesnt happen whenever i open the browser, just sometimes |
| 18:20.32 | lyra | i can browse for hours and nothing freezes |
| 18:20.38 | abrotman | lyra: but always on the same sites? |
| 18:20.43 | lyra | no |
| 18:20.47 | mjh73ca | someone on this server took my name |
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| 18:21.09 | lcuk2 | are you undertaking a certain type of activity when the freezes occur |
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| 18:21.32 | Pnux | hey, can i prevent dolphin from creating the .directory file in every folder i open using it? |
| 18:21.44 | lcuk2 | ie changing your normal browsing sites for ones which may be picture or movie or flash heavy |
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| 18:22.27 | lyra | abrotman, i found something http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/firefox-freezes-desktop-realplayer-plug-in-248433/ |
| 18:22.28 | abrotman | Pnux: maybe ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 18:22.46 | abrotman | lyra: do you use realplayer plugins ? |
| 18:22.54 | lyra | no. |
| 18:22.58 | lyra | but i ahve the freezing |
| 18:22.59 | abrotman | oh .. ignroe that |
| 18:23.13 | lyra | yet it happens to other people. i |
| 18:23.17 | abrotman | lyra: does just the browser freeze? |
| 18:23.22 | abrotman | have you tried the safe mode yet ? |
| 18:23.34 | lyra | abrotman, no the whole damn system. not even ssh works |
| 18:23.45 | lyra | safe mode to gnome or to firefox? |
| 18:24.15 | lcuk2 | you checked logs to see if its a harddrive corruption |
| 18:24.32 | deed02392 | no ftp daemons seem capable of maintaining an upload via passive passed a few kilobytes - what could it be? |
| 18:24.33 | lyra | which log file |
| 18:24.42 | lcuk2 | dmesg on my linux tablet |
| 18:24.53 | lcuk2 | not sure about debian specifically |
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| 18:25.17 | abrotman | lyra: syslog perhaps |
| 18:25.20 | lcuk2 | deed02392, reboot router |
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| 18:25.39 | deed02392 | i have done that already lcuk2 |
| 18:25.51 | lcuk2 | call your ISP and get them to reboot their servers |
| 18:25.52 | deed02392 | and i do not have control over the router the server is connected to |
| 18:26.08 | fxiny | deed02392: conntrack ftp module ? |
| 18:26.16 | mjh73ca | WHy would rebooting your ISP's server fix a problem unrelated to them? |
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| 18:26.30 | deed02392 | fxiny, what is this module? |
| 18:26.42 | lcuk2 | i dunno, im a windows admin, hell as far as i know, rebooting YOUR router might fix his problem |
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| 18:27.01 | mjh73ca | Well, with Winblows it depends on how you hold your tongue |
| 18:27.06 | deed02392 | i literally started the daemon, connected and tried to upload a file, and it just stops after a few kilobytes |
| 18:27.14 | fxiny | forget it , i missed the "control over the router! part |
| 18:27.16 | mjh73ca | locally? |
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| 18:27.42 | rahsputin | hello |
| 18:27.43 | deed02392 | no international |
| 18:28.01 | mjh73ca | MTU issues with brain dead admins thinking blocking ICMP maybe |
| 18:28.14 | lcuk2 | deed02392, connect to a box under your control and check whether its a client side problem or not |
| 18:28.20 | lcuk2 | ie try pushing there |
| 18:28.31 | deed02392 | okay |
| 18:28.33 | lcuk2 | if it works, you can at least start looking elsewhere |
| 18:28.38 | lyra | message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers |
| 18:28.49 | lyra | i think its that redhat dhcp pos½ |
| 18:28.50 | lyra | ! |
| 18:29.11 | mjh73ca | If that doesn't work try to reduce your MTU to 512 or something and see if that helps the FTP transfer |
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| 18:32.14 | lyra | OKAY |
| 18:32.28 | lyra | i just got a nice popup from kerneloops... |
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| 18:32.38 | lyra | "Your system had a kernel failure" |
| 18:32.42 | lyra | what the hell man |
| 18:33.13 | lyra | if this is always because of a kernel failure |
| 18:33.17 | lyra | what should i do? |
| 18:33.23 | mjh73ca | change the kernel? |
| 18:33.30 | lyra | how |
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| 18:34.02 | mjh73ca | Well, I personally recompile them, but I suppose it might depend on the distro you use and the upgrade options available with that |
| 18:34.19 | DeSian | my hardisk is 160GB SATA after install debian, i have 131GB, what is happen with the rest? http://paste.debian.net/41636/plain/41636 |
| 18:34.42 | mjh73ca | How much is swap? 160GB is unformatted so you will loose some with overhead |
| 18:35.03 | bzed | fdisk -l |
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| 18:35.04 | lyra | i'd try installing ubuntu on it |
| 18:35.13 | lyra | ubuntu seems to be way more reliable than debian |
| 18:35.18 | bzed | lol |
| 18:35.33 | DeSian | bzed, this command isn't found |
| 18:35.50 | bzed | DeSian: runit as root... |
| 18:35.52 | mjh73ca | plus drives are measures with G=1000*M, which is 1000*K which is 1000, the OS will likely use 1024 for both |
| 18:36.36 | DeSian | bzed, http://paste.debian.net/41640/plain/41640 |
| 18:37.25 | mjh73ca | Well, it is 141 GB not 131, I assume some if used for swap which won't show up in df -h. Plus the difference between 1000 and 1024 and the overhead looks about right |
| 18:37.52 | fxiny | lyra: more reliable ? interesting , do you have any papers ? |
| 18:38.05 | DeSian | mjh73ca, aha ok thnx |
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| 18:38.36 | bzed | DeSian: also run df -h as root |
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| 18:38.45 | bzed | DeSian: there is always some space reserved for root |
| 18:38.49 | mjh73ca | I don't know what 3,1G means, so I assume it is 3.1G which seems about right for an install, but the block size is not shown so hard to say how much space is wasted with tiny files |
| 18:39.01 | bzed | DeSian: so writing logs and similar stuff won't fail... |
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| 18:39.47 | DeSian | bzed, http://paste.debian.net/41642/plain/41642 |
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| 18:40.09 | \amethyst | DeSian: the difference between 134.1 GiB and 141 GiB are the reserved-for-root blocks (about 5% by default) |
| 18:40.32 | DeSian | \amethyst, ok thnx alot |
| 18:41.08 | \amethyst | DeSian: your '160 GB' drive is probably actualy 149 GiB (160 billion bytes, 149 * 1023**3 bytes) |
| 18:41.50 | DeSian | \amethyst, yes i understand now, thnk u all |
| 18:42.00 | \amethyst | DeSian: of that, 8 GiB is not part of your root partition; perhaps it is swap. about 7 GiB of the partition is reserved for root, and about 3 GiB is used |
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| 18:46.07 | lyra | fxiny, i have firsthand expekrience |
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| 18:47.11 | fxiny | lyra: hard to convince me :) |
| 18:47.17 | mjh73ca | They both have advantages and disadvantages. I had trouble getting Quanta+ to run in Ubuntu, and don't like any of the silly package managers |
| 18:47.19 | bmxdude0 | why can't apt find non-free? my sources.list looks like: deb http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 18:47.37 | bmxdude0 | adding "non-free" gives me the 404 |
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| 18:48.24 | adb | bmxdude0: they don't have "non-free" http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/ |
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| 18:48.41 | hesco | has html2txt been removed from the Debian repository? I can't seem to find it. |
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| 18:49.08 | bmxdude0 | whats a good mirror then? |
| 18:49.45 | adb | dpkg: tell bmxdude0 about mirror |
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| 18:51.29 | netzwurm | is there some program that sends the current primary selection to the currently focussed xwindow? |
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| 18:56.52 | bmxdude0 | I upgraded from etch to lenny and the only thing that seems to be messed up is that atd isn't running. I googled and no one seems to have a fix. apt-get upgrade says there is one package partially installed and then fails to start it (atd) each time. I can start it by hand though.. it seems |
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| 18:56.57 | bmxdude0 | Setting up at (3.1.10.2) ... |
| 18:56.57 | bmxdude0 | Starting deferred execution scheduler: atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. |
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| 18:57.07 | bmxdude0 | its very strange |
| 18:57.07 | \amethyst | netzwurm: xkvbd -xsendevent -text "$(xclip -o)" |
| 18:57.32 | MrWax | is there an easy way of renaming a debian user without messing up all kind of dependancies and chown rights? |
| 18:57.40 | \amethyst | netzwurm: those two utilities are in packages of the same name |
| 18:57.45 | mjh73ca | vipw? |
| 18:58.25 | \amethyst | MrWax: if you're just changing the name and not the uid, then passwd, group, shadow, and gshadow are all that need to be updated |
| 18:58.27 | mjh73ca | well, likely /etc/shadow too, but Debian may be one of those goofy ones that put each user into their own group |
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| 18:59.03 | \amethyst | MrWax: usermod -l newname oldname should handle all of those |
| 18:59.38 | \amethyst | MrWax: they will still have the old name for their home directory; you'll have to also use -d /home/newname -m if you want to change and move the home directory |
| 19:00.04 | \amethyst | MrWax: you may want to use groupmod -n newname oldname to change their user-group's name too |
| 19:00.10 | MrWax | so usermod -l user newuser -d /home/user -m ? |
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| 19:00.40 | netzwurm | \amethyst: oeh, xkvbd is in no debian package. typo? |
| 19:00.55 | \amethyst | netzwurm: it's in package xkvbd |
| 19:01.11 | fxiny | usermod -m -d /home/new ; mv /home/old /home/new ; usermod -d /home/new new ? |
| 19:01.13 | \amethyst | netzwurm: which is in etch, lenny, squeeze, and sid |
| 19:01.40 | \amethyst | MrWax: usermod -l newusername -d /home/newusername -m oldusername |
| 19:01.51 | MrWax | ok |
| 19:01.54 | MrWax | thx |
| 19:02.01 | \amethyst | MrWax: then groupmod -n newusername oldusername |
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| 19:02.03 | adb | dpkg: tell bmxdude0 about etch->lenny |
| 19:02.24 | pepperbob | heh |
| 19:02.34 | pepperbob | dpkg: tell me about echt -> lenny |
| 19:02.34 | netzwurm | \amethyst: http://packages.debian.org/xkvbd |
| 19:02.49 | \amethyst | netzwurm: oh, sorry, it was a typo |
| 19:02.52 | \amethyst | netzwurm: xvkbd |
| 19:02.59 | netzwurm | \amethyst: ah. thanks :) |
| 19:03.07 | \amethyst | netzwurm: I typed it wrong two or three times in a row :) |
| 19:03.19 | pierrep | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Gra |
| 19:03.20 | pierrep | phics Controller |
| 19:03.21 | adb | dpkg: tell bmxdude0 about selftell |
| 19:03.26 | \amethyst | but typed it correctly here when testing :) |
| 19:03.31 | danilom | XEN run on windows? |
| 19:03.33 | pierrep | it's smell bad even on sid |
| 19:03.35 | netzwurm | \amethyst: you just made my life so much easier. |
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| 19:04.03 | danilom | i want to run a debian VM |
| 19:04.09 | adb | danilom: ask vendor > ms |
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| 19:04.35 | danilom | adb, well i know, but i prefer the ral expert |
| 19:04.39 | danilom | real |
| 19:05.07 | danilom | adb i cant change this os, i want to know if i can run debian here in W machine with XEN |
| 19:05.54 | adb | danilom: double boot exist |
| 19:06.19 | danilom | adb i CANT touch any sector on this machine |
| 19:06.44 | danilom | adbe do you know? if xen can virtualize debian on windowS? |
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| 19:07.04 | mjh73ca | should be able to....if it is virtualizing there is no reason it can't |
| 19:07.23 | adb | danilom: i dunno , try and see |
| 19:07.30 | danilom | adb thanks |
| 19:08.06 | adb | danilom: add a new hard and install debian in ... |
| 19:08.31 | mjh73ca | virtualizing works great. I use VMware, but same idea |
| 19:09.11 | martianlobster | should I use a debian archive mirror? or just use the main server? If I should use a mirror, which should I use? I am in SW FL |
| 19:09.25 | abrotman | martianlobster: did you look for a ufl mirror ? |
| 19:09.30 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 19:09.36 | martianlobster | I will look |
| 19:09.41 | danilom | mjh73ca, do you try virtualbox? |
| 19:09.53 | mjh73ca | I haven't no |
| 19:11.21 | orges | anyone using firefox 3 effectively on debian?? i dont really like its performance with some essential packages like flashplayer... is there a trick for this? |
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| 19:11.29 | khaije|amalt | look familiar to anyone... getting "Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed!" from nfs-common when trying to start nfs |
| 19:11.31 | danilom | mjh73ca, do you know if xen run on windows? |
| 19:11.45 | mjh73ca | I think the manual says it does |
| 19:12.03 | mjh73ca | But I think it needed a server os |
| 19:12.14 | danilom | uhmmm ok |
| 19:12.32 | danilom | mjh73ca, can you suggest me an alternative different than vmware? |
| 19:12.48 | mjh73ca | do you need to create a vm or just use one? |
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| 19:15.07 | enouf | hesco: not sure, but the pkg xml2 used to (or does) have a html2 thing |
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| 19:16.02 | enouf | hesco: apt-get update ; apt-cache show xml2 |
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| 19:26.13 | genia4 | any advantage in using xinetd over a standalone server? |
| 19:26.36 | enouf | khaije|amalt: how are you starting it? |
| 19:27.28 | abrotman | genia4: usually depends on the daemon in question and how much it's going to be used |
| 19:27.31 | enouf | khaije|amalt: check out file:///etc/default/nfs-common |
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| 19:28.06 | AriMartti | big hand for squeeze-installer's grub-installer |
| 19:28.18 | genia4 | abrotman: let's compare a low-traffic daemon (like ssh) and a high-traffic one like a db server or a web server. |
| 19:28.23 | bmxdude0 | so can anyone tell me the importance of at (atd), because it won't fails to start after a dist-upgrade, I've tried everything, I've googled and seen 10 people with an identical problem and no responses, is it okay just not to run atd? |
| 19:28.36 | AriMartti | i'm trying to install squeeze from weekly-build kde-cd1 |
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| 19:29.08 | abrotman | genia4: you'd not want the high traffic one managed by xinetd |
| 19:29.23 | AriMartti | and get a message "grub-installer: error: |
| 19:29.24 | nsadmin | if you get xinitd to listen on all the ports of a bunch of seldom-used services, that's just one process listening on the ports. |
| 19:29.29 | genia4 | abrotman: and what are the advantages for a low-traffic one? |
| 19:29.50 | nsadmin | so it saves on process table entries |
| 19:29.54 | genia4 | nsadmin: so only one program to secure against all sorts of crap? |
| 19:29.57 | SuperMiguel | whats the best raid with 3 drives? raid 5? |
| 19:29.58 | genia4 | nsadmin: oh, that... |
| 19:30.08 | mjh73ca | I would go with 5 SUper |
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| 19:30.16 | AriMartti | and get a message "grub-installer: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 19:30.33 | SuperMiguel | mjh73ca, does debian support software raid 5? or should i use the controller of my MB? |
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| 19:30.34 | nsadmin | all it does is wait for connection and if it gets one it fires up the server |
| 19:30.35 | genia4 | Also, should I go with xinetd or openbsd-inted? |
| 19:30.48 | mjh73ca | software raid scares me |
| 19:30.58 | genia4 | Another question. once a connection is established, is there any performance loss involved when using (x)inetd? |
| 19:31.14 | SuperMiguel | mjh73ca, well my mb raid is fake raid anyways i guess |
| 19:31.26 | mjh73ca | true |
| 19:31.29 | genia4 | most mb raids are fake |
| 19:31.44 | mjh73ca | but probably can't to 5 either |
| 19:31.50 | genia4 | on the other hand, I'm not so sure why you should be scared of software raids anyway |
| 19:31.57 | SuperMiguel | mine can |
| 19:31.59 | genia4 | either it's well implemented, or it's not |
| 19:32.03 | mjh73ca | had one crash and couldn't recover |
| 19:32.09 | genia4 | SuperMiguel: did it cost more than $200? then I'd expect that :) |
| 19:32.23 | genia4 | mjh73ca: wouldn't blame the concept, just the implementation |
| 19:32.29 | mjh73ca | it was linux |
| 19:32.36 | nsadmin | it's either xinitd calling fork() and exec(the server), or, the server is already running |
| 19:32.54 | genia4 | nsadmin: what happens after the connection ends? process killed? |
| 19:33.04 | genia4 | Say, do you guys still use ftp? if so, which server? |
| 19:33.10 | genia4 | And if, what do you use for file transfer |
| 19:33.11 | mjh73ca | proftpd |
| 19:33.19 | genia4 | mjh73ca: any reason? |
| 19:33.25 | nsadmin | hell no |
| 19:33.37 | nsadmin | ftp is -bad- juju |
| 19:33.38 | SuperMiguel | genia4, it costed more than $200 :) |
| 19:33.39 | genia4 | nsadmin: hell no what? |
| 19:33.41 | mjh73ca | for proftpd? |
| 19:33.51 | genia4 | mjh73ca: yes |
| 19:34.08 | genia4 | nsadmin: regarding xinetd, what happens after the connection ends? process killed? |
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| 19:34.24 | genia4 | I'm more inclinded towards vsftpd |
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| 19:34.31 | genia4 | if I decide to do ftp at all. |
| 19:34.40 | AriMartti | maybe I should continue without boot loader, boot from installer-dsk on recovery mode and install grub that way |
| 19:34.40 | genia4 | I just don't see an alternative atm. SCP is aweful :( |
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| 19:34.53 | SuperMiguel | so should i do debian raid 5 or using my mb controller? |
| 19:35.04 | genia4 | SuperMiguel: I'd say mobo |
| 19:35.05 | Adlai | How do I get pictures off a card from a digital camera? |
| 19:35.17 | Adlai | (I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 but #ubuntu is no help) |
| 19:35.37 | genia4 | Adlai: put it in a card reader and connect that to the computer |
| 19:35.42 | AriMartti | -typos due writing by Nokia E71-phone |
| 19:35.45 | SuperMiguel | genia4, my mb does 0/1/5/10 |
| 19:35.50 | nsadmin | xinitd starts waiting right after it fires up the server... |
| 19:35.51 | Adlai | genia4: I'm on a Thinkpad T400, that has a built-in cardreader |
| 19:35.52 | genia4 | SuperMiguel: nice |
| 19:36.09 | genia4 | Adlai: so if a driver for that is installed, put it in and it should automount |
| 19:36.12 | abrotman | Adlai: go to #ubuntu and get help |
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| 19:36.19 | genia4 | Adlai: not automounting for some reason? |
| 19:36.21 | nsadmin | if it waited until the server was done, there could only be one connection at a time |
| 19:36.32 | genia4 | nsadmin: so when is the process killed? |
| 19:36.37 | abrotman | Adlai: if #ubuntu can't help you, try ##linux .. you're offtopic here |
| 19:36.42 | mjh73ca | Well, proftpd had some nice flexibility when I started using it. Allowed authentication to come from a SQL database and allows logging to be done to RADIUS. So for my needs it worked nicely |
| 19:36.43 | genia4 | nsadmin: and why do you not recommend using ftp? what do you recommend instead? |
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| 19:37.06 | nsadmin | ssh/scp/sftp |
| 19:37.06 | abrotman | genia4: scp |
| 19:37.18 | genia4 | nsadmin: can't get any real bandwidth out of those :( |
| 19:37.39 | genia4 | Not really sure way, maybe winscp is crap |
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| 19:37.48 | mjh73ca | Well, I need to use FTP for customers to upload their websites |
| 19:37.55 | genia4 | mjh73ca: not a factor here, trying to squeeze as much juice as I can from my VPS :) |
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| 19:38.14 | mjh73ca | VPS? |
| 19:38.20 | genia4 | Virtual Private Server |
| 19:38.42 | mjh73ca | ah |
| 19:39.05 | mjh73ca | I make more money providing what customers need :) |
| 19:39.07 | nsadmin | mjh73ca: you'd be exposing them to security issues |
| 19:39.33 | mjh73ca | No more than with them running windows |
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| 19:40.01 | genia4 | nsadmin: what's an alternative to FTP that is easy to use and is fast? |
| 19:40.11 | genia4 | nsadmin: what kind of bandwidth do you get from SCP? |
| 19:40.20 | nsadmin | I never tested |
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| 19:41.04 | linduxed | is there a way to have the n:th line of a file changed to string X on shutdown? |
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| 19:42.00 | palmje | does anyone know why apt-get wouldn't automatically install dependencies? |
| 19:42.02 | genia4 | linduxed: sed |
| 19:42.09 | genia4 | palmje: example? |
| 19:42.17 | nsadmin | linduxed: yes, and those are two separate things |
| 19:42.35 | linduxed | genia4: im not familiar with sed |
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| 19:42.47 | palmje | I get lines like: python-libtorrent: Depends: libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:42.49 | nsadmin | linduxed: become familiar |
| 19:42.53 | mjh73ca | I use SCP for my own needs and get good performance, but I have no intention of trying to teach people to use SCP when they can barely use email. If dreamweave and frontpage supported scp then that could work, but until then FTP is gonna stay. But aside from the password being sent in cleartext it is no more insecure than other transfer methods. Sure SCP encrypts everything but they are websites for public viewing so not exactly private data there. |
| 19:42.54 | linduxed | nsadmin: what are two things?? i had one problem |
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| 19:43.35 | nsadmin | linduxed 1, replace the line... 2, do something at shutdown |
| 19:44.21 | Switch10 | Anyone here record with ardour? |
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| 19:44.41 | linduxed | nsadmin: ok true, i want to #1 during #2 |
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| 19:45.50 | nsadmin | Switch10: I've done it before |
| 19:46.13 | palmje | genia4: any ideas? |
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| 19:48.22 | nsadmin | linduxed: so solve #1 first |
| 19:48.50 | Switch10 | Why is the realtime kernel so much better for recording than the generic one? I have to dual boot ubuntu and ubuntu studio because I need to be able to record, but I'm afraid of the restrictions that the |
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| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | Switch10: um... this isn't #ubuntu |
| 19:49.38 | Switch10 | Ya sorry |
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| 19:50.31 | nsadmin | but the question is not dependent on dist |
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| 19:51.47 | Switch10 | Basically I want to know if there are any restrictions that the rt kernel will have compaired to the generic one |
| 19:52.01 | adb | !rt |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | from memory, rt is Real-time applications have operational deadlines between some triggering event and the application's response to that event. To meet these operational deadlines, programmers use real-time operating systems (RTOS) on which the maximum response time can be calculated or measured realiable for the given application and environment. |
| 19:52.32 | jelly-home | Switch10: there shouldn't be, in theory |
| 19:53.13 | Switch10 | So why isn't it used instead of the generic one for all distros? |
| 19:53.24 | linduxed1 | hmmm this is odd |
| 19:53.38 | linduxed1 | why is my server not sending a hostname to the router?? |
| 19:53.39 | jelly-home | Switch10: you can usually swap a kernel underneath a distro for some other (ie. use the rt kernel for some other installation) |
| 19:53.46 | nsadmin | do rt kernels crash more? do they expose the box to exploits? |
| 19:53.48 | Switch10 | Seems |
| 19:53.54 | enouf | Switch10: not necessarily restrictions, per se, but if you use one for say a heavily loaded server, things might not work out so well |
| 19:54.10 | Switch10 | enouf: ok |
| 19:54.32 | Switch10 | nsadmin: mine doesn't crash |
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| 19:55.01 | enouf | Switch10: Distribution pkgd kernels are all about finding a happy medium .. yet kernel.org, or sources from distro and customize all you like ;-) |
| 19:55.03 | Switch10 | jelly-home: I've tried this unsucessfully |
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| 19:55.39 | enouf | s/sources/grab sources/ |
| 19:55.39 | klikklak | hi, I'm having a weird error for some time already, dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrom gives unable to INQUIRY: and there's no /proc/scsi. any hints? |
| 19:55.55 | nsadmin | Switch10: what's the longest and most channels you've recorded? |
| 19:56.24 | enouf | Switch10: distribution kernels are also patched (as however they think appropriate), etc |
| 19:56.36 | bmxdude0 | how dangerous is the exim4 that is automatically installed with debian? |
| 19:56.41 | Switch10 | I had about 20 yesterday no xruns over 4 mins long |
| 19:57.02 | Switch10 | No probs with the rt kernel |
| 19:57.03 | bmxdude0 | say if I loaded a box onto a public network (fresh install) with exim4 running and just left it for a couple weeks |
| 19:57.11 | bmxdude0 | probably have a rootkit by now? |
| 19:57.39 | abrotman | why? |
| 19:57.58 | jelly-home | bmxdude0: default setup doesn't expose exim to the network at all |
| 19:58.05 | palmje | does anyone know why apt-get wouldn't automatically install dependencies? |
| 19:58.08 | bmxdude0 | cool |
| 19:58.15 | Switch10 | With the generic kernel I was bairly getting 5 with xruns |
| 19:58.34 | bmxdude0 | i checked all the mail logs and they are all blank, so I guess the paranoid in me just assumed hacked |
| 19:58.34 | enouf | palmje: you sure you don't mean depends? |
| 19:58.41 | enouf | bah |
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| 19:58.48 | enouf | palmje: you sure you don't mean "Recommends"? |
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| 19:59.14 | adb | bmxdude0: dpkg -l exim4 | grep ii , says ? |
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| 19:59.18 | palmje | enouf: yes. I get lines like: python-libtorrent: Depends: libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:59.41 | enouf | palmje: fix your sources.list .. if fixable at this point |
| 19:59.55 | trakinas | evening! need a little help here. when configuring apache to have virtualhost at localhost, if I want that www.smth.com and smth.com be avaialable, what do I have to configure? |
| 20:00.11 | jelly-home | palmje: are you mixing repositories from different releases or have manually installed packages? |
| 20:00.18 | bluethundr | how do I get rsync to make backup files with dates similar to the way this command makes tarballs with dates? |
| 20:00.22 | bluethundr | tar -czf /var/backups/site-stage/beezag_stage-`date +%Y-%m-%d`.tar.gz /var/stage |
| 20:00.29 | mjh73ca | ServerName and ServerAlias |
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| 20:00.36 | bmxdude0 | adb: ii exim4 4.69-9 metapackage to ease Exim MTA (v4) installation |
| 20:00.46 | palmje | jelly-home: I have added in the testing and unstable branches |
| 20:00.46 | trakinas | I can access smth.com, but www.smth.com gets into a loop. |
| 20:01.05 | adb | bmxdude0: exim4 is NOT automatically installed with debian |
| 20:01.17 | jelly-home | palmje: why? |
| 20:01.23 | trakinas | (are you guys having problems with google? i cant access youtube, gmail, google.com, or other google services) |
| 20:02.04 | palmje | jelly-home: I want to install deluge and it has dependencies that aren't in the stable branch |
| 20:02.19 | enouf | !backports |
| 20:02.19 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:02.49 | enouf | you have "dependency and ABI complications." now - congratulations |
| 20:03.41 | palmje | enouf: what does that mean? |
| 20:03.47 | jelly-home | palmje: testing and unstable take precedence over the stable repo, doing this would ruin your installation unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:03.55 | nsadmin | dryfyre: drive 1945 miles to where the server is, break in, copy the file, drive back |
| 20:04.07 | obcecado | trakinas: ll working here |
| 20:04.08 | enouf | nsadmin: heh |
| 20:04.31 | trakinas | obcecado: thanks |
| 20:04.36 | jelly-home | palmje: a proper way to get newer versions of software but keep that rest of the system at "stable" is a backport |
| 20:04.40 | nsadmin | (how to do it without downloading) |
| 20:04.58 | palmje | jelly-home: nothing has actually been installed from them yet |
| 20:05.18 | palmje | jelly-home: how do you do a backport? |
| 20:05.37 | jelly-home | palmje: it means it's the right time to remove those from apt's config, then |
| 20:05.41 | enouf | use BPO as dpkg mentioned |
| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | palmje: first try looking at the backports.org site for your software; if that fails, you can try building your own, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:07.13 | jelly-home | judd: versions deluge |
| 20:07.14 | judd | jelly-home: deluge -- experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.1.8+dfsg-3 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:08.15 | trakinas | go figure! google works on a laptop hooked on the wireless... |
| 20:08.37 | jelly-home | trakinas: your dns resolving was broken |
| 20:08.40 | enouf | and, or backport your own - however, your cache/DB is likely fudged at this point, I think you can remove all the testing and unstable lines, and mv (a certain) file out of the way, run an update |
| 20:10.40 | trakinas | jelly-home: are you talking about google or the 1st question? anyway... wouldnt that affect both machines? |
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| 20:11.19 | jelly-home | trakinas: the latter, sorry |
| 20:11.48 | jelly-home | trakinas: this was for you: <mjh73ca> ServerName and ServerAlias |
| 20:11.48 | Irishmanluke | win 2 |
| 20:12.17 | trakinas | jelly-home: hehe! thanks. then, for example, ServerName www.smth.com and Alias smth.com? |
| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | trakinas: right |
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| 20:12.34 | trakinas | jelly-home: thanks. let me try. |
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| 20:14.06 | melfar | Hey guys! Can you recommend me a VPN howto? My primary goal is to set up a secure network I can use from pubic wi-fi hot spots |
| 20:14.26 | melfar | that's public, sorry |
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| 20:15.58 | nsadmin | pubic hot spots?! |
| 20:16.11 | melfar | I've already corrected my self :P |
| 20:16.13 | mjh73ca | see a DR :) |
| 20:17.11 | melfar | Debian Reference? |
| 20:17.16 | mjh73ca | Doctor |
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| 20:17.31 | rcsheets | i have encountered some software i'd like to package, and its upstream sources have a broken debian/ directory. what should i do? |
| 20:17.41 | mjh73ca | fix them? |
| 20:18.03 | rcsheets | i'm inexperienecd at packaging. not sure where to start fixing. |
| 20:18.04 | nsadmin | rcsheets: you can either fix theirs or delete it and make your own |
| 20:18.11 | jpinx-eeepc | which one of the rc*.d dirs lists those things that are started when X starts? |
| 20:18.26 | nsadmin | all of them |
| 20:18.31 | nsadmin | by default |
| 20:18.35 | nsadmin | 2345 |
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| 20:18.53 | rcsheets | i'm leaning toward deleting theirs and making my own, since i think what's there is just left over from the package this software was forked from. |
| 20:18.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - what man page covers this? |
| 20:19.09 | rcsheets | i just wanted someone to tell me that approach isn't crazy i guess |
| 20:19.24 | rcsheets | as far as i can tell, this software has never actually been in debian |
| 20:20.14 | marcel` | rcsheets: what software do you mean? |
| 20:20.45 | rcsheets | it's called log4shib. it lives at https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/OpenSAML/log4shib |
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| 20:21.30 | marcel` | rcsheets: sorry no X |
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| 20:22.29 | trakinas | brb. |
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| 20:22.42 | rcsheets | marcel`: well what were you wanting to know? |
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| 20:23.23 | marcel` | rcsheets: nevermind =) just wondering what application you needed |
| 20:23.25 | rcsheets | ok |
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| 20:23.49 | rcsheets | well i guess i'll blow away upstream's debian/ directory, and send them some mail advising them to get rid of it |
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| 20:24.54 | melfar | http://freedomyug.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/howto-setup-vpn-server-on-debian-50-lenny/ Would you recommend this howto? |
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| 20:27.08 | petemc | melfar: thats not really a vpn, per se |
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| 20:27.27 | petemc | melfar: there are some decent docs for openvpn, just be prepared to take some time to figure it all out |
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| 20:31.01 | xand | petemc: how is it not a vpn> |
| 20:31.01 | xand | ? |
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| 20:31.37 | xand | pptp is useful in that common OSes have built-in client support for it c.c |
| 20:31.41 | xand | (windows and os x) |
| 20:31.41 | petemc | xand: it doesnt strike me as terribly private |
| 20:31.52 | mjh73ca | Not seeing encryption settings there |
| 20:32.22 | melfar | Well, encryption is the whole point of this idea |
| 20:32.31 | xand | pedantry aside, it is a VPN |
| 20:32.45 | mjh73ca | okay...it is a VN, not so P :) |
| 20:33.26 | xand | it is. |
| 20:33.34 | xand | not saying pptp is perfect |
| 20:33.43 | mjh73ca | How is it private without encryption? |
| 20:34.16 | \amethyst | "private" doesn't mean "confidential", it means it looks like a lan |
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| 20:34.24 | rcsheets | maybe it has a sign by the door saying "INVITED GUESTS ONLY" |
| 20:34.35 | rcsheets | you know, a really intimidating-looking sign |
| 20:34.39 | melfar | So I need OpenVPN if I want encryption? |
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| 20:35.15 | mjh73ca | I suppose that is one interpretation of private...I would call it a tunnel but that is just me I suppose |
| 20:35.33 | \amethyst | mjh73ca: in the RFC, "emulation of a private Wide Area Network (WAN) facility using IP facilities |
| 20:35.36 | \amethyst | " |
| 20:35.40 | \amethyst | so I guess WAN not LAN |
| 20:36.01 | mjh73ca | Okay, so it meets the RFC definition, I wouldn't want you to implement one for me though |
| 20:36.34 | \amethyst | but, yes, pptp is deprecated |
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| 20:37.06 | mjh73ca | yet you are arguing for it being a VPN..... |
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| 20:39.39 | cyrilb | hi |
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| 20:43.29 | pepperbob | cyrilb: hi :) |
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| 20:45.45 | martianlobster | can someone remind me, what is the way where I can list all of the packages which have been installed on a debian system? |
| 20:46.12 | cyrilb | martianlobster: dpkg -l |
| 20:46.49 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 20:46.55 | cyrilb | martianlobster: np |
| 20:48.08 | G69 | deseja boa noite |
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| 20:51.28 | enouf | martianlobster: add | grep ^.i for only installed pkgs - or use dpkg get-selections |
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| 20:54.40 | jelly-home | !installed |
| 20:54.40 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 20:57.09 | enouf | martianlobster: or install grep-dctrl dctrl-tools and do; grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort | less |
| 20:57.35 | itrebal | of there being an error. |
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| 20:58.57 | martianlobster | thanks enouf, jelly-home |
| 20:59.35 | ajavid | stop hilighting me |
| 20:59.47 | ajavid | enouf, I need a moment if you can help me out |
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| 21:00.14 | martianlobster | enouf: the syntax for "dpkg get-selections" is a little off. I am getting an error. "need an action" |
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| 21:00.34 | enouf | !selections |
| 21:00.35 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 21:00.49 | enouf | martianlobster: it's --get-selections |
| 21:00.50 | martianlobster | ooh great thanks |
| 21:01.06 | enouf | martianlobster: man dpkg is always there? ;-) |
| 21:01.34 | ajavid | I don't wanna reach a voice mail box goddamit |
| 21:01.44 | ajavid | dpkg, leave a message |
| 21:01.44 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ajavid |
| 21:02.25 | martianlobster | lol, but the man pages are so impersonal! |
| 21:02.42 | itrebal | I've begun setting up MySQL replication between a couple Debian machines, however I'm experiencing an issue; there is an error occurring, and I can't seem to find an error log that tells me anything (I mean, anything. All the logs are empty) do I need to enable something that Debian has disabled? |
| 21:03.55 | jelly-home | itrebal: grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log yields nothing? |
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| 21:05.13 | itrebal | Ah, yes it does. Thanks you, jelly-home - I was ignorantly unaware of that :( |
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| 21:06.03 | tsamolotoff | Hi there! I've got kde installed into ~/kde, and the problem is that anything like sudo kate doesn't work... Please, help the stupid n00b ) |
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| 21:06.45 | abrotman | why did you install kde like that ? |
| 21:07.00 | bmxdude0 | tsamolotoff, add ~/kde to root's $PATH |
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| 21:08.05 | tsamolotoff | I've just added it to /root/.bashrc, no effect |
| 21:08.41 | tsamolotoff | "sudo export" spat out there's no export |
| 21:08.51 | abrotman | tsamolotoff: why didnt' you `aptitude install kde` ? |
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| 21:09.31 | tsamolotoff | abrotman: There's kde4 in repo? |
| 21:09.40 | tsamolotoff | *kde4.3 |
| 21:10.07 | abrotman | i don't use kde .. but kde4.2 was available last i knew |
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| 21:12.13 | dustybin | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 21:13.18 | dustybin | suspects windows xp |
| 21:13.58 | craigevil | kde4 is like vista even the devs that created it do not use it :) |
| 21:14.26 | tsamolotoff | prepared not to feed the troll |
| 21:14.41 | abrotman | dustybin: seriously .. go to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:14.54 | mjh73ca | vista is not that bad....if you have enough hardware |
| 21:15.05 | tsamolotoff | So there's no answer? |
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| 21:15.33 | abrotman | tsamolotoff: if you've compiled it, you probably want to ask #kde .. i'd imagine that guy doesn't exist in the debian packages |
| 21:15.41 | EricBlade | why on earth does installing synaptic require 100mb of stuff that is mostly unrelated? |
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| 21:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "more magic" |
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| 21:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I've been using xtightvncviewer, but run into #517422 any recommendation for which one of the other vncviewers to try? |
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| 21:19.05 | enouf | tsamolotoff: aren't you supposed to use kdesu or somesuch? |
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| 21:19.44 | enouf | tsamolotoff: and besides, install into /usr/local/ (just to keep the system sane) |
| 21:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems the xvncviewer has been discontinued |
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| 21:20.08 | enouf | tsamolotoff: and besides, install _any self-compiled stuffs_ into /usr/local/ (just to keep the system sane) |
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| 21:20.47 | tsamolotoff | enouf: ~/kde isn't sane enough? |
| 21:20.52 | tsamolotoff | wut lol) |
| 21:20.53 | enouf | not at all |
| 21:21.00 | tsamolotoff | why? |
| 21:21.26 | enouf | although, props for not using something the package manager might've touched |
| 21:21.48 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: on lenny works |
| 21:22.08 | enouf | usually, when people put their compiled apps in home, that means they don't have root access - i guess that's not your case though |
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| 21:22.24 | EricBlade | seriously, installing synaptic requires installing the radeon tools, and the laptop apm and suspend stuff? wtf |
| 21:23.05 | abrotman | did you try it -R ? |
| 21:23.33 | EricBlade | and samba? |
| 21:23.34 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: umm, xvnc4viewer? |
| 21:23.46 | abrotman | EricBlade: which version of debian is this? |
| 21:24.00 | EricBlade | stable |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | did you try it with -R ? |
| 21:24.27 | EricBlade | -R ? |
| 21:24.37 | abrotman | EricBlade: put the output in a pastebin |
| 21:24.58 | enouf | tsamolotoff: got anything in say /usr/local/bin ? see what the perms are, then see what your ~/kde/bin/* file perms are |
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| 21:26.06 | tsamolotoff | enouf: For what purpose? |
| 21:26.12 | enouf | ... |
| 21:26.27 | enouf | what's the purpose of ANY file permissions |
| 21:26.54 | craigevil | enouf: to keep aliens from taking over your system? :) |
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| 21:27.37 | tsamolotoff | Perms are equal, because I compiled and installed KDE under sudo |
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| 21:27.52 | abrotman | i still don't see how this is a Debian problem |
| 21:28.03 | tsamolotoff | there's nothing significant into /usr/local |
| 21:28.14 | enouf | i never said it was .. fwiw |
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| 21:29.08 | enouf | tsamolotoff: you used sudo to compile? tsktsk and b) why would you need sudo to install into /home/username? |
| 21:29.26 | EricBlade | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1492025 |
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| 21:29.52 | amphi | enouf: you still use kde? |
| 21:30.03 | enouf | amphi: no friggin way |
| 21:30.06 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:30.20 | abrotman | EricBlade: you already installed them |
| 21:30.27 | amphi | enouf: ah - fxiny & I were wondering earlier... ;) |
| 21:30.29 | abrotman | EricBlade: aptitude why samba |
| 21:30.31 | tsamolotoff | enouf: Just because I haven't thought about it, as a matter of habbit |
| 21:30.32 | phogg | I see some kde4 apps in Debian (e.g. okular), but the kde package version is unchanged from etch and there is no kde4 package. How do I obtain kde4? |
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| 21:30.48 | abrotman | phogg: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:30.54 | phogg | abrotman: wil do |
| 21:30.58 | enouf | amphi: and i really never used it - just bits and pieces, here and there -- it just sat there, once i disabled much of the default crapola |
| 21:31.14 | hesco | where would I find the sub java as a .deb ??? |
| 21:31.15 | enouf | amphi: haha |
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| 21:31.57 | EricBlade | abrotman: unable to find a reason to install samba |
| 21:32.03 | amphi | enouf: heh - fxiny was quite concerned, I think |
| 21:32.35 | abrotman | EricBlade: though you've been using apt-get .. maybe aptitude doesn't know why now |
| 21:32.43 | zahna | hey, i'm looking for the debian equivalent of "yum check-update". what would that be? |
| 21:32.44 | abrotman | wouldn't think it would matter though |
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| 21:32.53 | abrotman | zahna: which does what ? |
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| 21:33.08 | zahna | ah, right :) it simply lists what packages are to be upgraded. |
| 21:33.21 | hesco | apt-get -s upgrade |
| 21:33.24 | zahna | it doesn't do any upgrading. it only lists. |
| 21:33.36 | abrotman | zahna: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade .. it will show you what is to be upgraded before you do it |
| 21:33.40 | hesco | does the -s (simulate) switch work for update? |
| 21:33.58 | EricBlade | abrotman: synaptic recommends libgnome2-perl, depends libgnomevfs2-0, recommends gnome-mount, depends hal, depends pm-utils, recommends radeontool |
| 21:34.16 | zahna | hesco: it does, but it prints out everything that would have been done. |
| 21:34.39 | abrotman | EricBlade: that's why i was saying to do -R .. but that's an aptitude option .. not for apt-get .. apt-get has --no-install-recommends |
| 21:34.52 | zahna | i'm looking for just a package listing. i'm looking to script this and store the package names. |
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| 21:35.46 | craigevil | EricBlade: if you want to disable recommends permanently add APT::Install-Recommends "0"; to apt.conf |
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| 21:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, ha - that's what I found myself also - and it's good :) |
| 21:36.18 | zahna | abrotman: what you recommended is close; however, i'm not wanting to confirm an upgrade. i'm only wanting a list of packages so i can store them. |
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| 21:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, no, it doesn't - not with the redhat x11vnc server I was trying to run it with (although the workaround 2 could fix it) |
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| 21:41.40 | enouf | tsamolotoff: it might well indeed needed sudo to install, if only to run ldconfig and such .. that's one huge App you compiled, i'm sure at some point, bits need root access, even if it's for Shared libs and such .. IOW, in order for it to be truly jailed to $HOME, you'd have to statically compile it ... O_O (imagine compiling all of KDE as one HUGE BLOATED beast?! haha) |
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| 21:42.08 | EricBlade | is it safe to remove xserver-xorg-video-all when I'm only using X via remote? |
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| 21:44.01 | enouf | amphi: you should've heard his little story of his answer to my query; "how do pronounce fxiny? which letter is silent, the f or the x?" :-p |
| 21:44.43 | Pnux | neither |
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| 21:44.51 | enouf | what is it like 40 MB ? |
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| 21:46.01 | enouf | ~$ grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n | grep xserver-xorg-video |
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| 21:47.11 | enouf | i'm sure the depends would be much more of an issue |
| 21:50.56 | tsamolotoff | enouf google: kdesvn-build |
| 21:51.18 | enouf | for what purpose? |
| 21:51.47 | tsamolotoff | This is how I built it |
| 21:52.00 | tsamolotoff | AFAIK, as thousands of other users |
| 21:52.16 | abrotman | it's a #kde question |
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| 21:53.20 | amphi | enouf: heh |
| 21:53.26 | ser | how can i check which process is writing on a disk? i can see disk is used, but i do not know by which process. |
| 21:53.43 | hesco | so any ideas here, where I might find the sun version of java as a .deb ??? |
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| 21:54.06 | neoice | ser: lsof ? |
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| 21:54.27 | ser | neoice: lsof with which exactly parameter? |
| 21:54.44 | abrotman | iotop perhaps |
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| 21:57.31 | ser | abrotman: thanks, iotop looks good |
| 21:58.45 | EricBlade | lol removing a specific xserver requires removal of the 'xserver-xorg-video-all' package. but doesn't actually remove any other servers. kind of a misnomer. |
| 21:58.45 | Triumph | If I installed Lenny the installed gnome from squeeze would it work fine? |
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| 21:59.45 | abrotman | Triumph: maybe .. maybe not |
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| 21:59.56 | abrotman | Triumph: mixing is discouraged because it usually breaks |
| 22:00.07 | Triumph | Ah okay. |
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| 22:00.41 | abrotman | Triumph: and the gnome in squeeze currently is kind of half and half right now anyways |
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| 22:01.23 | Triumph | Ah, thanks abrotman ... |
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| 22:01.36 | craigevil | EricBlade: xserver-xorg-video-all is just a metapackage |
| 22:01.47 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/ |
| 22:02.01 | EricBlade | craigevil: right.. installing it installs all the servers.. but uninstalling it does nothing |
| 22:02.31 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude |
| 22:03.44 | craigevil | hesco: sun-java is in non-free |
| 22:04.26 | cjns3274 | Anyone using freevo? |
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| 22:07.08 | wald0 | in a dpkg-reconfigure package, what calls the .postinst script ? |
| 22:07.08 | enouf | bah, just to clarify, seems i might have jumped the gun there a bit (about installing into /home/username/whatever), i just read file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html again, and it seems both the /usr/local and /home dirs have the same user:group (root:staff) .. but, i don't like having stuff in my user's $HOME that root owns - for ease .. he's gone anyway |
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| 22:08.04 | wald0 | well, i want to know from where comes the second parameter ($2) of the call of an .postinst script |
| 22:08.04 | enouf | wald0: huh? |
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| 22:08.26 | enouf | read the .postinst script itself - ask in #bash |
| 22:08.48 | wald0 | enouf: no, i have readed it, my problem is his parent |
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| 22:09.57 | wald0 | after my last update of lenny, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't create a xorg.conf file, this is why there's a part in the postinst script that checks the value of $2 that this comand is called |
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| 22:13.05 | enouf | wald0: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/TheBasics/Parameters might help - (it did just now for me) , but you might want to strace the command |
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| 22:13.40 | enouf | wald0: drxx doesn't work for Lenny/Squeeze/Sid that way anymore, like it did with Etch and prior |
| 22:13.45 | enouf | !drxx |
| 22:13.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 22:14.15 | enouf | see the last sentence, and see man xorg, and "/msg dpkg hal" and see last URL shown |
| 22:16.05 | wald0 | automatic xorg configurations still not works good, there's a lot of old computers that is impossible to detect the correct parameters |
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| 22:19.41 | jelly-home | wald0: $2, when it exists, is the previously installed version |
| 22:20.00 | jelly-home | see debian policy, chapter 6 I believe |
| 22:20.14 | wald0 | jelly-home: right, that's the value that i have |
| 22:20.20 | wald0 | there's the problem then |
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| 22:20.48 | wald0 | since there's no previously version installed, the value is the same version that i have installed, so the "if test..." fails here and hte xorg.conf is not generated |
| 22:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, typing ffmpeg without options is... |
| 22:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek |
| 22:21.05 | cirzgamanti | hi, how can i see what filesystem an automatically mounted disk has? |
| 22:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | "mount"? |
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| 22:22.05 | jelly-home | wald0: I don't know what the expected behavior is, but X is supposed to run reasonably well even without an xorg.conf |
| 22:22.14 | jelly-home | !drxx |
| 22:22.14 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 22:22.34 | wald0 | jelly-home: the keyboard layout is managed by what ? (specially in the login manager) |
| 22:22.37 | wald0 | without xorg.conf i mean |
| 22:22.56 | wald0 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not works on my last install of lenny |
| 22:23.51 | Triumph | HAL |
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| 22:24.08 | jelly-home | wald0: for lenny, no idea; in squeeze it'll be the same as on console |
| 22:24.17 | jelly-home | Triumph: not in lenny afaik |
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| 22:24.27 | Triumph | How come Debian has not released FireFox 3.5 not even in SID ? |
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| 22:24.39 | Triumph | arch has it, gentoo has it, etc etc. |
| 22:25.11 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 22:25.11 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 experimental: 3.5-1 |
| 22:25.41 | Triumph | What is experimental ? |
| 22:25.51 | jelly-home | !experimental |
| 22:25.51 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:25.53 | wald0 | jelly-home: as console ? mmmh, not bad, but what about all the special keys like the .Xmodmap file ? it is managed after to login in X ? |
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| 22:26.25 | jelly-home | wald0: well, .Xmodmap is _always_ managed after login, isn't it |
| 22:26.33 | Triumph | if I put experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list would that work? |
| 22:27.09 | Triumph | Gentoo has firefox-3.5 hard masked, Debian has firefox-3.5 in the security bin aka experimental, and Arch just purely gives it out, Lol |
| 22:27.19 | jelly-home | Triumph: which debian release are you using? packages from there are usually built against sid |
| 22:27.28 | Triumph | squeeze |
| 22:27.48 | jelly-home | Triumph: you've read the line above. Proceed at your own risk. |
| 22:27.51 | wald0 | well yes, specially since it is on the home of the user, maybe i should reffer better at the /etc/X11/Xmodmap (or something similar) |
| 22:28.28 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/41649/ |
| 22:28.35 | jelly-home | wald0: I don't know. Are you really using a global Xmodmap? |
| 22:29.10 | wald0 | sincerely, no, im just thinking about the new ways of work of xorg :) |
| 22:29.12 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, hm? |
| 22:30.09 | adb | xtightvncviewer .. |
| 22:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, I know it works sometimes - just not without extraoptions to some x11vnc servers... |
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| 22:30.44 | Triumph | BBL! |
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| 22:31.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I could use it to my an x11vnc on my debian machine, but connecting to a redhat machine sprang bug #517422 - I can use the workaround in there, but then... perhaps it was time for a change :) |
| 22:31.49 | wald0 | jelly-home: my big question again about this new "without conf" systems is... what happens to these users that has old hardware where is imposible to detect correctly his (specially monitor) graphical setup ? |
| 22:32.07 | Azrael_- | if i want to change into a folder with "cd" and use "tab" to complete the name i not only get folders but also all matching files. how can i change this to get only folders here? |
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| 22:33.33 | mjh73ca | look in the filing cabinet not a directory |
| 22:33.40 | bmxdude0 | anyone use ShellTer as a firewall? |
| 22:33.58 | Azrael_- | mjh73ca: was this for me? |
| 22:34.21 | mjh73ca | It was me being a smart a$$. They are directories not folders |
| 22:34.39 | Azrael_- | k |
| 22:35.12 | jelly-home | wald0: manual configuration, I suppose |
| 22:35.15 | Azrael_- | next try: if i want to change into a directory with "cd" and use "tab" to complete the name i not only get directories but also all matching files. how can i change this to get only directories here? |
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| 22:36.00 | mjh73ca | AFAIK you can't |
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| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | wald0: dpkg has written a way to get a basic conf file above |
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| 22:37.32 | wald0 | well, it doesn't works now |
| 22:37.33 | Azrael_- | mjh73ca: i have several suse-installations where it works just fine, just can't find out the difference |
| 22:37.39 | foul_owl | Please help, I am trying to install grub onto a CF card on one computer, then move it over to another computer to use. I have tried this, but grub gives error 2. Thanks! |
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| 22:38.28 | wald0 | foul_owl: you have installed debian on a flash card ? |
| 22:38.33 | foul_owl | yes |
| 22:38.40 | wald0 | dont do that |
| 22:38.41 | jelly-home | !grub error 2 |
| 22:38.41 | dpkg | For grub error 2, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 22:38.42 | wald0 | you will broke it |
| 22:38.46 | wald0 | in less than a month |
| 22:38.56 | mjh73ca | not technically true wald0 |
| 22:39.00 | foul_owl | source? |
| 22:39.01 | wald0 | flash cards has a write limit |
| 22:39.14 | mjh73ca | I have had a debian install running on a usb flash drive for 6-9 months |
| 22:39.17 | wald0 | journaled filesystems does a lot of writings |
| 22:39.21 | foul_owl | write limit > billions |
| 22:39.28 | mjh73ca | So don't use it journaled |
| 22:39.28 | foul_owl | or something very high |
| 22:39.35 | wald0 | mjh73ca: and then broken ? |
| 22:39.36 | mjh73ca | Last time I checked it was about 1000 writes |
| 22:39.36 | foul_owl | i heard it will last > 100 years |
| 22:39.52 | wald0 | 100 years ? without writing... yes, how much writes ? |
| 22:39.53 | enouf | cirzgamanti: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 22:39.55 | mjh73ca | The filesystem got corrupted. Not sure if the drive is or not |
| 22:40.01 | jelly-home | hm, no "grub error 2" there |
| 22:40.17 | bmxdude0 | the write limit is usually 10,000-100,000 |
| 22:40.26 | wald0 | mjh73ca: should be... well, if "you" are going to accept a debian system for only 1/2 year, then you can do it :) |
| 22:40.45 | bmxdude0 | but when the sectors start going bad you can do a low level format and recover most of them |
| 22:40.48 | wald0 | this is very tricky |
| 22:40.49 | mjh73ca | Well, if I could make debian run on a NSLU2 with NFS root I wouldn't ahve to |
| 22:41.10 | wald0 | if you dont use journaled filesystem you will have a very fragmented filesystem |
| 22:41.22 | wald0 | you need to set some special options to do the minor writebacks possible, etc |
| 22:41.30 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 22:41.41 | jelly-home | <wald0> if you dont use journaled filesystem you will have a very fragmented filesystem # ??? |
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| 22:42.02 | mjh73ca | what are you smoking waldo and were can I get some? |
| 22:42.06 | amphi | you know it makes sense! |
| 22:42.21 | wald0 | bmxdude0: this *really* fixes it or just a bit ? i have made working long time ago a usb flash on that way and it still working now, not sure about how the hardware really works |
| 22:42.31 | jelly-home | takes a look at this fragmented ext2 |
| 22:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? journaling doesn't have anything to do with fragmentation |
| 22:43.01 | mjh73ca | You want fragmentation on a flash device to spread the writes out no? |
| 22:43.08 | wald0 | what's teh difference between journaled and not journaled ? |
| 22:43.22 | mjh73ca | journaled is better crash recovery |
| 22:43.29 | foul_owl | i know there was an article about this somewhere. looking... |
| 22:44.07 | mjh73ca | likely a bit better performanc, but no better fragmentation that I know of |
| 22:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjh73ca, no... you want to spread the writes but that doesn't mean you want to fragment your files |
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| 22:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it shouldn't matter much for those type of drives |
| 22:44.57 | wald0 | mmmh, so not journaled filesystem places and order (arrange) the data correctly at any required moment when some write is done ? like on journaled ones ? |
| 22:45.05 | wald0 | non-jouraled, i mean |
| 22:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have a round spinning thingy and a head that has to move from one place to another |
| 22:45.40 | zepho | isn't there some way to kill a process that's eating up all memory? like some emergency shell that just sits there normally, but with maximum priority? |
| 22:45.49 | wald0 | CutMeOwnThroat: good point :) |
| 22:45.59 | wald0 | the seek time is 0.0 |
| 22:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | zepho, not really... |
| 22:46.16 | zepho | right now, some havoc process from gparted is making my 2gig ram machine unresponding, for 10+ minutes now... |
| 22:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | zepho, you can try to login via ssh or from one of the consoles |
| 22:46.23 | abrotman | you could renice stuff |
| 22:46.36 | zepho | i tried, but even this is not responding any more. |
| 22:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the best way is to set some limits *before* this happens :) |
| 22:46.50 | zepho | how can i do this? |
| 22:46.58 | wald0 | could be nice to have a SAK key for X :) |
| 22:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, renice doesn't do anything for insane swapping behavior... or a fork bomb for that matter |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | that's not what he said it was |
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| 22:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | zepho, 'help ulimit' in bash - you put some ulimit command in a global bashrc/bash profile |
| 22:48.01 | wald0 | abrotman: you are a veteran on this, can you confirm that non-journaled filesystems like ext2 doesn't do fragmented filesystems ? |
| 22:48.03 | foul_owl | don't eee pcs use solid state drives? |
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| 22:48.14 | foul_owl | wouldn't they wear out in 6 months? |
| 22:48.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, "eating up all memory"? means it's slow because machine tries to swap in/out 2GB every few seconds |
| 22:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, to the rescue |
| 22:48.46 | zepho | CutMeOwnThroat: interesting. but this doesn't work for stuff not invoked from a shell, right? |
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| 22:48.59 | wald0 | foul_owl: yes, but i think that this technoligy is a bit better for that, i mean, more ready with more writes limit |
| 22:49.00 | jelly-home | I _wish_ I had a machine that could swap out 2GB in a few seconds |
| 22:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | zepho, depends when/where you place the limit... limits are inherited over forks |
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| 22:49.16 | zepho | foul_owl: some eeepc have solid state, but the one i'm writing on has 160gig hd |
| 22:49.33 | foul_owl | do flash cards have an internal mechanism for wear leveling? |
| 22:49.57 | wald0 | zepho: do you mean that you really can write on it !? oh yes... there's other models with a bigger keyboard than 701... |
| 22:50.02 | mjh73ca | not usually...Okay, looks like my 1000 writes is very very dated |
| 22:50.19 | zepho | wald0: 1000he, 92% keyboard, perfect for touchtyping |
| 22:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | foul_owl, I don't think so... |
| 22:50.33 | mjh73ca | Write endurance rating:- 2 million cycles. (The typical range today for flash SSDs is from 1 to 5 million. The technology trend has been for this to get better. |
| 22:50.33 | wald0 | so, non-journaled filesystems does fragmentation or not ? |
| 22:51.08 | spring | guys I am new to debian after openSUSE. is it possible to be on bleeding edge using debian? does sid really contain fresh releases? |
| 22:51.45 | foul_owl | apparently with perfect wear leveling and capping at the max write rate, that will last 50 years |
| 22:51.50 | jelly-home | wald0: journaling and fragmentation aren't connected. |
| 22:52.15 | foul_owl | so the problem then becomes one of achieving near perfect wear leveling |
| 22:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | wald0, all filesystems "do fragementation" |
| 22:52.31 | mjh73ca | Or just very very little writing |
| 22:52.36 | foul_owl | agreed |
| 22:52.43 | foul_owl | at any rate, i would like to give this a try |
| 22:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | foul_owl, the problem is, that journaling has perfectly crappy wear-leveling, because the journal is changed on *all* writes and it's always written to the same region |
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| 22:53.22 | weedar | I'm trying to install grub on a system where root is /dev/sda1 but there is no /dev/sda - running "grub", "root (hd0,0)" and then "setup (hd0,0)" only results in errors because grub can't find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 22:53.31 | foul_owl | i'm using a remote svn server anyway, so it's not like i can lose my data |
| 22:53.37 | foul_owl | or lose much data anyway |
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| 22:54.21 | weedar | Any good suggestions? I copied all the files from /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-pc to /boot/grub but it still says stage1 does not exist ? |
| 22:55.05 | foul_owl | at any rate, i would like to give this a try. any ideas about my stage 1.5 problem? |
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| 22:55.40 | wald0 | hum |
| 22:55.59 | wald0 | i have learned something new today about journaling |
| 22:56.15 | foul_owl | http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html |
| 22:56.51 | mjh73ca | lol same page I wasreading |
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| 22:57.27 | wald0 | btw, why the filesystems lost data when there's a forced shutdown ? nobody (FS authors) has found a good technique to not lost inodes ? |
| 22:58.28 | jelly-home | wald0: there are techniques, called "journaling" or "soft updates" |
| 22:59.02 | zepho | hm, ssh to the bombed machine doesn't respond at all, but ping is quite fast. how can that be? |
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| 23:00.03 | jelly-home | zepho: ping is handled inside the kernel; the userspace sshd may be hosed for any number of reason |
| 23:00.07 | igsen | " /msg dpkg |
| 23:00.23 | wald0 | jelly-home: which one is the better under forced shutdowns ? |
| 23:00.26 | wald0 | jfs ? |
| 23:00.26 | zepho | jelly: damn... |
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| 23:00.43 | foul_owl | so does anyone know how to fix grub error 2? |
| 23:01.34 | jelly-home | wald0: the best filesystem is the one you trust the most. |
| 23:01.37 | igsen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.47 | jelly-home | wald0: if you have to ask, just use ext3. |
| 23:01.58 | foul_owl | i know it's not a bios problem, because it's worked before |
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| 23:02.42 | adb | dpkg: tell igsen about selftell |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | that's what he was trying to do |
| 23:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wald0, if data is not yet written and there's a crash, the data is lost? |
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| 23:03.27 | wald0 | jelly-home: i have hear that JFS does handle the forced-shutdowns better as the others |
| 23:03.38 | cattellar | what are the advantages of debian over ubuntu for a normal desktop user? |
| 23:03.57 | wald0 | cattellar: no one :D |
| 23:04.09 | wald0 | oh, advantages... sorry |
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| 23:04.36 | wald0 | cattellar: stability, specially |
| 23:05.03 | wald0 | but this is just my IMHO (so that not start a distrowar) |
| 23:05.21 | cattellar | yeah the idea is not to start a war |
| 23:05.28 | cattellar | im looking for my next distro |
| 23:05.35 | zepho | jelly-home: so, now instead of giving back nothing, ssh tells me "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host". any idea what changed? |
| 23:06.05 | poisonbit | a timeout ? |
| 23:06.07 | cattellar | but I fear debian stable has very old packages, and then I have to go to debian unstable or testing, which might be the same as using ubuntu |
| 23:06.29 | jelly-home | zepho: not enough data for a meaningful answer |
| 23:06.40 | zepho | poisonbit: but before that it would just hang there for minutes on end. now it gives me this after about 5 seconds. |
| 23:06.50 | wald0 | cattellar: it has a lot newer than ubunty, on reality |
| 23:07.03 | wald0 | cattellar: the thing is, you can try to install it and see it yourself :) |
| 23:07.07 | grand_grunt | Debian Sid is more stable than Ubuntu stable ;) |
| 23:07.10 | zepho | problem is still that fsck-ext3 or something like that ran havoc on a 500G-external disk. |
| 23:08.17 | cattellar | ok |
| 23:08.17 | zepho | i'm hoping that the process will be killed by itself somehow, otherwise i'd have to restart :( |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | cattellar: does it matter if they are old if they do what you want ? |
| 23:08.28 | cattellar | and does using debian stable makes sense for a desktop user? |
| 23:08.37 | cattellar | abrotman, it doesnt, I know |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | cattellar: it can make sense .. if all your needs are met |
| 23:08.48 | abrotman | cattellar: which features does debian stable not have ? |
| 23:09.02 | cattellar | i cant say |
| 23:09.04 | zepho | cattellar: i run stable on a production machine at work, and testing on all others. |
| 23:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | cattellar, it does if you want to spend the minimal amount of time fixing problems and still want to do regular security updates |
| 23:09.14 | grand_grunt | cattellar: the main issue is compatibility with newer file formats and protocols |
| 23:09.17 | cattellar | and how stable is testing? |
| 23:09.34 | abrotman | cattellar: so you say stable is too old .. and you need new features .. but you can't tell us which features? Sounds like you'll do perfectly fine with stable |
| 23:09.41 | zepho | i never had problems with testing |
| 23:10.00 | grand_grunt | But if your desktop is "isolated", you can use your old apps to read/write old files and let the world run after new features and new bugs. |
| 23:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cattellar, /msg dpkg backports - you can also run stable and have *some* packages in a version newer than in stable |
| 23:10.22 | wald0 | cattellar: stability sense: imagine a desktop user that everytime that want's to try something, it needs to fix up here and there... or imagine to try to watch a movie with the GF and you need to start checking out why the fullscreen mode not works |
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| 23:10.40 | wald0 | cattellar: also, imagine that you are working good and tomorrow due to an update, things are broken |
| 23:10.57 | cattellar | yeah, like it happened in ubuntu |
| 23:11.04 | wald0 | of course :) |
| 23:11.08 | wald0 | :-# |
| 23:11.23 | poisonbit | i use stable as desktop at the work, with some backports (pidgin 5.8, svn 1.5, OOffice 3.1, etc), and i'm happy |
| 23:11.36 | grand_grunt | Yes, Debian is quite hard to install and easy to use, Ubuntu is easy to install but dangerous to upgrade |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | how is Debian hard to install ? |
| 23:11.59 | wald0 | grand_grunt: not really true, i have needed to wait 5 releases of ubuntu before to install it on any of my computers |
| 23:12.14 | zepho | it has some issues sometimes, or more so had in the past |
| 23:12.19 | grand_grunt | abrotman: is it "click and point" now? |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | grand_grunt: you mean does it have a GUI installer? |
| 23:12.34 | zepho | it's gotten quite good recently |
| 23:12.42 | abrotman | it's been good for 10 years |
| 23:12.56 | grand_grunt | abrotman: yes.. all my debians are dated from Etch and upgraded to Lenny or testing |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | etch had a GUI installer |
| 23:13.09 | cattellar | ok nitrogen just crashed AGAIN ... i need to install debian ASAP |
| 23:13.11 | zepho | well, i've not been able to get a fully working debian from 2001 to iirc 2006 or 07 |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | though i'm really not sure why a GUI installer makes it "easy to install" |
| 23:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nitrogen is a gas |
| 23:13.38 | grand_grunt | abrotman: easy to install ugly, if you prefer |
| 23:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which makes up ~70% of the earth atmosphere |
| 23:13.48 | cattellar | i guess the installer is similar to arch's |
| 23:13.51 | abrotman | who cares if it's ugly .. how many times do you install the OS? |
| 23:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can it CRASH |
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| 23:14.03 | wald0 | abrotman: maybe because is needed to use a mouse :) |
| 23:14.28 | ranix | abrotman |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | ranix |
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| 23:16.54 | dgomez | somebody can help me with my dv9000 webcam? It's a Richo, USB, ID 05ca:1810 |
| 23:17.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: step 1) cool it down to a liquid |
| 23:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, brrr |
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| 23:19.57 | cy-borg | howdy |
| 23:21.22 | cy-borg | I'm running unstable now, so you can go ahead and ignore me if you want. I just need to know where the messages displayed at boot get logged. I got a warning about alsa "using a guess method" right before a Maintenance (or Ctrl-D) prompt |
| 23:21.36 | cy-borg | I didn't note the error and I'd rather not reboot |
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| 23:24.03 | abrotman | cy-bobahheranaway |
| 23:24.42 | jelly-home | !bootlogd |
| 23:24.42 | dpkg | i guess bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 23:25.47 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 23:27.00 | foul_owl | so i still need help with the grub error 2 |
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| 23:32.12 | enouf | 2 : Bad file or directory type This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but something like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO. |
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| 23:32.48 | jony123 | hey is there any software for debian for voice to text and text to voice .. |
| 23:33.10 | grand_grunt | festival for text to voice |
| 23:33.27 | ranix | fiesta |
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| 23:33.49 | cy-borg | X crashed, so I rebooting wasn't a problem anymore. The maintenace password was because I hadn't updated menu.lst to point at the top item as default, so it was going to a single-user option. The alsa error went away, and I stuck my RT2860.dat file in just for good measure |
| 23:34.00 | cy-borg | and I like espeak for my TTS on emacspeak |
| 23:34.13 | cy-borg | though to compile the driver takes some work |
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| 23:34.59 | enouf | wald0: use ext3 but use the noatime or relatime mount option |
| 23:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, also espeak |
| 23:35.23 | cy-borg | I just started trying SLiM and it takes longer to start than it takes to boot |
| 23:35.38 | cy-borg | 10 seconds on a black screen |
| 23:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, he already said that |
| 23:36.08 | enouf | there's also speakup |
| 23:36.23 | cy-borg | outloud and eflite |
| 23:36.38 | enouf | but i think debian doesn't have it packaged anymore, no maintainer |
| 23:36.39 | cy-borg | many options |
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| 23:37.06 | cy-borg | speakup-modules-2.6.26-2-486 - Screen review module for Linux 2.6.26 on x86 |
| 23:37.07 | cy-borg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.28 | enouf | cy-borg: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 23:37.44 | iluminator101 | When i try to make libpcap i get this error http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d5f291540 |
| 23:37.49 | enouf | cy-borg: (it was passed to you, from others, as you /quit last) |
| 23:37.54 | jony123 | what about voice to text? |
| 23:38.07 | wald0 | enouf: for ? low writebacks ? |
| 23:38.11 | wald0 | less* |
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| 23:38.57 | abrotman | iluminator101: libpcap is already in debian |
| 23:39.31 | cy-borg | I don't see an error in that paste |
| 23:39.31 | iluminator101 | hmmm... |
| 23:39.40 | poisonbit | noatime includes nodiratime ? or should be noatime,nodiratime to reach bot optimizations ? |
| 23:39.49 | enouf | wald0: yep |
| 23:40.10 | enouf | poisonbit: nodiratime is implied by using noatime |
| 23:40.21 | iluminator101 | well i am trying to compile snort with the latest rules |
| 23:40.29 | enouf | poisonbit: IOW, yes, it includes it |
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| 23:41.20 | poisonbit | enouf, how can be checked, the manpage doesn't say that, using strace ? |
| 23:43.09 | iluminator101 | is the latest version of snort in testing or? |
| 23:43.42 | amphi | 2.7.0-26 is in testing |
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| 23:44.02 | abrotman | judd: versions snort |
| 23:44.03 | judd | abrotman: snort -- etch: 2.3.3-11 lenny-security: 2.7.0-19+lenny1 lenny: 2.7.0-20.4 sid: 2.7.0-26+b1 squeeze: 2.7.0-26+b1 experimental: 2.8.4.1-1 |
| 23:45.14 | iluminator101 | well how do i disable testing by default in sources |
| 23:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "disable testing" |
| 23:46.18 | iluminator101 | what i mean its not turned on by default |
| 23:46.30 | iluminator101 | its turned off by default in sources |
| 23:46.37 | enouf | poisonbit: i just happened to read it on lkml.org or something - when that was an issue, and .. IIRC, it was ted ts'o himself whom was responding to another dev |
| 23:46.57 | iluminator101 | last i played around with pinning i messed my sources and i had to reinstall |
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| 23:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you messed your sources... |
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| 23:48.16 | jpinx-eeepc | gives iluminator101 a nappy |
| 23:48.30 | poisonbit | enouf, thanks http://lwn.net/Articles/245002/ |
| 23:48.36 | enouf | offers some tissues |
| 23:48.43 | enouf | poisonbit: righto |
| 23:48.49 | jpinx-eeepc | or is it a daiper? |
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| 23:49.36 | cirzgamanti | ok, i rebooted the machine with the havoc ram killer. i found limits.conf in /etc/security, but am not sure which item to pick. does "maximum data size" limit the amount a process can take in ram? |
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| 23:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | does "man limits.conf" provide a clue? |
| 23:50.24 | cirzgamanti | i'm in there, and can't find one. |
| 23:50.33 | enouf | poisonbit: perfect, and concise - good you found it and posted |
| 23:51.28 | poisonbit | cirzgamanti, see that these limits are per login |
| 23:51.47 | cirzgamanti | poisonbit: what do you mean? |
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| 23:52.19 | enouf | (i had waded through mounds of threads initially .. heh - but i wasn't particularly looking for that exact bit of info - twas just reading recent stuff way back then) |
| 23:52.31 | cirzgamanti | oh ok, you mean otherwise it's for the whole user? hm, i had hoped it's per process of the user :( |
| 23:52.42 | enouf | cirzgamanti: you know about sysrq? |
| 23:52.46 | poisonbit | cirzgamanti, you put 'that limit' for something. If a user has two diferent sesions. He can reach twice in paralel, that limit. |
| 23:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I told you to set ulimit! |
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| 23:53.06 | enouf | cirzgamanti: you know about oomkiller? |
| 23:53.25 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but i'm still not totally convinced because it's a bash thing. |
| 23:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, it's not "a bash thing" - the command is, the limit is set in the kernel |
| 23:53.55 | enouf | wait - /me thinks twas someone else with a sshd wasn;t working, but ping was |
| 23:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, it's called "limit" in csh, afaik - but who uses (t)csh these days |
| 23:54.16 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, didn't know that. |
| 23:54.37 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat does? |
| 23:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | does what? |
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| 23:54.54 | cirzgamanti | enouf: no, but there was something like that in kde 3, which didn't work the way i liked it though |
| 23:54.59 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, if it's the same person, you told them 'help ulimit' |
| 23:55.14 | beardy | Simple last sentence reference. |
| 23:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, yes... so he'd know how to use it |
| 23:55.29 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: USes (t)csh. |
| 23:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 23:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sometimes |
| 23:55.53 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: just thought it was someone else ... |
| 23:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ops... you're right there |
| 23:56.34 | enouf | cirzgamanti: both things i mentioned have nothing to do with KDE, they're kernel (and sysrq is keyboard) related |
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| 23:57.06 | cirzgamanti | enouf: yes, i just read up on this. i was only mentioning i've seen something like this before, but badly implemented. |
| 23:57.30 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: no worries .. i do that all the time, when same/similar questions spaced apart a bit in time |
| 23:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so I told someone else with a strikingly similar question to use ulimit :) |
| 23:57.35 | cirzgamanti | how do i configure it? |
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| 23:58.00 | enouf | hah |
| 23:58.15 | enouf | cirzgamanti: configure what? /msg dpkg sysrq |
| 23:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, you can set it in /etc/bash.bashrc and/or /etc/bash.profile |
| 23:58.28 | cirzgamanti | CutMeOwnThroat: the other thing is that with ulimit, it doesn't take into account how much space i've left afaics |
| 23:58.34 | cirzgamanti | enouf: oom killer |
| 23:58.47 | enouf | cirzgamanti: man proc |
| 23:58.57 | cirzgamanti | thx |
| 23:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirzgamanti, no, the point is just to set some per-process limit at a value where you think something went anyway and it'd be best to have the process killed |
| 23:59.14 | enouf | cirzgamanti: see the bit about /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* |
| 23:59.35 | zophy | will the classic fork bomb have a great effect on a default debian installation ? |
| 23:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | zophy, if you call a crash a "great effect" |
