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| 00:00.39 | Yassine_Tn | CutMeOwnThroat: Never mind. I would like to have net back on my Lenny. How can I configure my LAN card ? ( Wasn't detected during install, Network manager (in Xubuntu) detected it though ) |
| 00:00.40 | cobra-the-joker | thanx all ....working very cool |
| 00:01.19 | adb | !win co |
| 00:01.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, co! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:01.43 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 00:01.47 | adb | cobra-the-joker: ^^ |
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| 00:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yassine_Tn, look up what kernel module it was in xubuntu... , see if it's loaded in debian (lsmod) - load it if not, look out for error messages in dmesg output if it's loaded |
| 00:03.08 | Yassine_Tn | !win Yassine_Tn |
| 00:03.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, Yassine_Tn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:03.53 | Yassine_Tn | CutMeOwnThroat: But I have no longer Xubuntu (too long). Can I just pick its kernel (casper/vmlinuz) |
| 00:04.01 | Yassine_Tn | from its CD and try booting it ? |
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| 00:04.13 | Yassine_Tn | It won't work because of the modules ? |
| 00:04.34 | Yassine_Tn | By the way, The !win thing is funny. |
| 00:04.39 | Yassine_Tn | !win Yassine_Tn |
| 00:04.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, Yassine_Tn! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 00:05.41 | Yassine_Tn | CutMeOwnThroat: Can I repeat my las question :-D ? |
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| 00:07.25 | Yassine_Tn | :-( You guys seem to boycott my questions ! |
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| 00:08.57 | pythos | hi, ok, Im not sure I got the right kernel installed... I didn't see the usual 486/686/ etc choice, but I did see a screen saying a 686 kernel was being installed... I need to get the 486 on installed... can I do that in a shell? |
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| 00:09.54 | pythos | um, tha tis "using a netinstall" |
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| 00:11.07 | brabo__ | um.. what's wrong with the 686 kernel pythos ? |
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| 00:12.31 | pythos | brabo__: Um... its only a pent. II (586) needs i486 kernel I believe... |
| 00:12.43 | brabo__ | no it doesn't afaik |
| 00:12.51 | brabo__ | pII is 686 |
| 00:12.58 | brabo__ | pI is 586 |
| 00:13.03 | PinkFreud | debian dropped 486 support awhile back, didn't they? |
| 00:13.06 | brabo__ | 486 is 486 |
| 00:13.13 | brabo__ | that i don't know |
| 00:13.28 | pythos | hmm.. Ill let it finish then... last PM I got kernel panic after installing a 686 system... thought I'd at lest have a 486 in grub.. |
| 00:13.28 | brabo__ | but from pII you can use 686 kernel afaik |
| 00:13.36 | PinkFreud | uhm, nope, there it is. |
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| 00:13.50 | PinkFreud | pythos: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 00:14.05 | PinkFreud | PPro and up is 686, as brabo__ mentioned. |
| 00:14.13 | pythos | kewlies... perhaps a different problem then |
| 00:14.26 | brabo__ | thanks for the confirmation PinkFreud |
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| 00:14.31 | cobra-the-joker | man ..you gotta admit it :D ...debian ROOOX !! |
| 00:14.43 | pythos | Im going to let it boot ans see, I guess.. |
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| 00:15.18 | brabo__ | cobra-the-joker it kinda is, isn't it? :) |
| 00:15.36 | brabo__ | pythos you should be fine normally |
| 00:15.40 | cobra-the-joker | yes ... i like it |
| 00:15.44 | adb | cobra-the-joker: try > /nick cobrA |
| 00:16.02 | adb | shorter nick are better |
| 00:16.14 | cobra1 | yeah |
| 00:16.22 | pythos | again, kernel panic.. :-( not synching: cpu context corrupt |
| 00:16.23 | brabo__ | but adb.. tab completion? :p |
| 00:16.29 | cobra1 | but i registered that big one :D |
| 00:16.45 | adb | re register |
| 00:16.54 | cobra1 | ok |
| 00:16.57 | r0b | group your current one to it |
| 00:17.26 | PinkFreud | pythos: you sure you're not having hardware issues? |
| 00:17.47 | pythos | was a fine working system yesterday, with debian 3.2 on it |
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| 00:18.51 | PinkFreud | pythos: are you overclocking? |
| 00:19.28 | pythos | um, I don't think so, but then again, I havn't mucked with the bios. Perhaps it was set wrong 3 years ago? |
| 00:19.51 | PinkFreud | you can check. also make sure the cpu fan is cooling adequately. |
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| 00:20.11 | PinkFreud | I assume that you see 'Machine Check Exception' a few lines above the context corrupt message? |
| 00:20.25 | pythos | yes |
| 00:21.10 | PinkFreud | Take a look at section 3.4.26, The `nomce' Argument: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO |
| 00:21.34 | PinkFreud | You can disable MCE via nomce, but keep in mind that an MCE typically appears when you're having hardware issues. |
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| 00:22.00 | PinkFreud | nomce won't fix those issues - it'll just let the box boot. You may find that it simply stops working one day. :) |
| 00:22.01 | pythos | looking |
| 00:22.45 | PinkFreud | given the age of the hw, I wouldn't rule out having something faulty. |
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| 00:23.02 | pythos | ya, agreed |
| 00:23.06 | PinkFreud | you might open it up to visually inspect your capacitors. any of them popped? |
| 00:23.25 | PinkFreud | failing fan won't cool as well, either, so it's possible your cpu is overheating. |
| 00:24.00 | PinkFreud | there's any number of things that can cause an MCE. |
| 00:24.07 | pythos | hmmm, cover off, seems to see plenty of revvs |
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| 00:24.20 | pythos | PinkFreud: thanks |
| 00:24.28 | PinkFreud | no problem, and good luck :) |
| 00:24.30 | JordiGH | Wow, somehow this feels faster. |
| 00:24.50 | JordiGH | Finally an upgrade I don't regret. :-) |
| 00:25.19 | cobra1 | JordiGH , u upgraded to debian 5 ? |
| 00:25.32 | JordiGH | cobra1: No, I live on the edge, baby. |
| 00:25.41 | cobra1 | lol |
| 00:25.42 | JordiGH | cobra1: Current testing. |
| 00:25.51 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: ahh, experimental all the way, eh? :P |
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| 00:26.00 | JordiGH | PinkFreud: On the edge, not insane. :P |
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| 00:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives JordiGH a little push |
| 00:26.27 | JordiGH | Compiz 0.8.2 feels a lot more slick than 0.7.6, somehow. |
| 00:26.32 | PinkFreud | naaa, sid would be on the edge. |
| 00:26.34 | PinkFreud | grins |
| 00:27.12 | JordiGH | aptitude messed up my compiz packages a little, but that's ok, I set it straight. |
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| 00:27.24 | cobra1 | i dont think compiz is very essential |
| 00:27.31 | JordiGH | it's kinda annoying when a package like compiz has some packages in testing and some in unstable. :-/ |
| 00:27.36 | JordiGH | cobra1: We disagree, but that's ok. |
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| 00:30.32 | cobra1 | is there is any way to make office 2007 files work here ( .docx ) ? |
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| 00:31.03 | dmoerner | cobra1, they are opened fine by oo.o 3 at least |
| 00:31.23 | brabo__ | oh yeah, isn't oo.o 3 just released? |
| 00:31.40 | cobra1 | but when i wrote install oo.o ...it installed the 2.4 version :( |
| 00:32.17 | adb | !tell cobra1 about backport |
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| 00:33.48 | cobra1 | the link is in french ..or any other language :( |
| 00:34.02 | adb | !fr |
| 00:34.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:34.27 | brabo__ | who would want pc help in french? |
| 00:34.42 | cobra1 | adb .... i meen that it gave me a link in french ...and i dont know french |
| 00:34.53 | adb | oh |
| 00:34.59 | brabo__ | est-ce que vous avez connecte la cable du disque sur sur la carte mere? :p |
| 00:35.12 | cobra1 | :D |
| 00:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what |
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| 00:35.20 | brabo__ | yeah i know |
| 00:35.32 | cobra1 | just smile ....:d |
| 00:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports |
| 00:35.33 | brabo__ | they just translated every term literally to french |
| 00:35.33 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 00:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what in here is french? |
| 00:36.23 | brabo__ | aucune idee |
| 00:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra1, maybe your browser has french (or whatever) as preferred language |
| 00:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, he's right |
| 00:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 00:37.12 | brabo__ | lolz |
| 00:37.19 | cobra1 | lol |
| 00:38.27 | cobra1 | i will just download from the web oo.o 3 |
| 00:38.57 | brabo__ | anyone got some opinion about the changes with oo.o 3? |
| 00:39.07 | adb | no , try to see if it is on backport first |
| 00:39.13 | cobra1 | but ...should i remove 2.4 first ? |
| 00:39.29 | adb | later maybe |
| 00:39.35 | cobra1 | or it will just replace it |
| 00:39.35 | cobra1 | ok |
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| 00:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra1, anyway, the backports.org link was for you |
| 00:40.27 | cobra1 | ok |
| 00:40.38 | adb | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/allpackages |
| 00:40.49 | adb | seems it is in |
| 00:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | how weird, the url they MEANT was http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_port_a_package_to_the_stable_system |
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| 00:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why would an url that doesn't show .fr. or something linke to a french page instead of an english one? |
| 00:41.23 | Javi-K | Hi! |
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| 00:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... why has the English page an explicit ".en." in the filename while the French one has not |
| 00:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | It must be... the invasion of the evil frenchmen! |
| 00:42.46 | cobra1 | nabolion strikes |
| 00:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wicked as well, yes |
| 00:42.58 | brabo__ | mind the frogs! |
| 00:43.01 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it should be reference/ch02#.... |
| 00:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, what do you mean? |
| 00:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/they MEANT/that leads to the english page/ |
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| 00:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | should I correct the factoid or is something temporarily wrong with www.debian.org |
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| 00:44.58 | JNSamuel | whats wrong? |
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| 00:45.56 | cobra1 | lol ...i found it in arabic |
| 00:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't internationalization great... |
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| 00:46.26 | cobra1 | agreaas |
| 00:46.55 | adb | cobra1: added backports to sources.list ? |
| 00:46.58 | JNSamuel | it does geo traces to look you up |
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| 00:47.18 | kamp2tux | my ethernet driver can only be installed using commands (make install, depmod, modprode), and this ethernet cannot be detected during installation of debian lenny, please advise me on how to install the driver during the debian installation? |
| 00:47.18 | cobra1 | does backports containg unstable versions ??? |
| 00:47.39 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.50 | cobra1 | mmmm |
| 00:47.52 | adb | contain* |
| 00:48.13 | cobra1 | ok ... where i can find these backports repos ? |
| 00:48.23 | adb | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't care to reveal what ethernet driver that is? |
| 00:48.37 | cobra1 | ok |
| 00:49.54 | kamp2tux | CutMeOwnThroat: it is RTL8111D --- http://www.realtek.com.tw/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&SortByDate=1#2 |
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| 00:50.39 | cobra1 | aha ...it has the office 3 :D |
| 00:51.33 | kamp2tux | CutMeOwnThroat: i should said it is detected, but it is not working (example, the ethernet cannot get connection and cannot get IP from DHCP server) |
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| 00:52.47 | kamp2tux | i mean during the installation of debian leeny, the ethernet Realtek RTL8111D(L) --- it is not about to get connection during the debian installation. |
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| 00:53.19 | kamp2tux | *not able to get IP and not able to get connected. |
| 00:54.53 | brabo__ | can you paste the output of 'ifconfig -a' on http://pastebin.com ? |
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| 00:56.12 | kamp2tux | i unable to run any CLI command during the installation of debian. |
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| 00:57.04 | brabo__ | does a fixed ip work? |
| 00:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rtl8101e |
| 00:57.17 | dpkg | i heard rtl8101e is the RealTek RTL8101E Fast Ethernet controller. It is not supported by the r8169 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>. |
| 00:57.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, bit outdated, that - but that should work on a lenny install |
| 00:59.10 | starscalling | hey |
| 00:59.36 | starscalling | ok got lenny stable up, the main use for my box that matters [meaning the rest are easy for me on any concerned box] is multimedia |
| 00:59.47 | starscalling | primary concern being tearing under nvidia drivers: |
| 00:59.52 | starscalling | os[Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 x86_64] distro[Debian 5.0.1] cpu[4 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 79.1% free] disk[Total: 462.6GB, 38.5% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT] sound[Audigy2 - Audigy 2 [SB0240]] |
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| 01:00.41 | starscalling | i'm willing to upgrade to testing, if flash works better and nvidia drivers have less tearing. suggestions? currently in gnome; have compiz-fusion, same problems enabled or disabled compiz/metacity |
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| 01:05.35 | dacs | howdy folks |
| 01:06.41 | dacs | does anyone know how to/using media monkey in Lenny |
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| 01:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | kamp2tux, if a different installation works without problems, compare the kernel versions used for installation |
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| 01:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | kamp2tux, you might try this - there's someone re-packaging the installer with the newest kernel: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 01:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | starscalling, what would that have to do with stable or testing - sounds like a matter purely of the kernel//nvidia kernel module |
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| 01:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need to go to testing just to change the kernel |
| 01:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I dunno if there's anytime anywhere where "flash works better" |
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| 01:19.37 | dacs | guys how do i sync my itouch in Lenny please? |
| 01:20.29 | adb | man mount (search for sync options) |
| 01:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, picard is in lenny and just one apt-get install away |
| 01:20.56 | dacs | adb: i mean the software, eg iTune |
| 01:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that for that media-monkey question... also, add a s/^/no, but/) |
| 01:21.40 | starscalling | CutMeOwnThroat, default versions... |
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| 01:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 01:23.49 | starscalling | there is a point to the progression of packages you know. they tend to work better as we go along |
| 01:23.54 | starscalling | [in the end] |
| 01:23.54 | John2583 | my system used to have hotplug, now i have udev but for some reason it isn't automatiaclly loading my Network drivers, how to troubleshoot? |
| 01:24.30 | John2583 | hotplug has status "deinstall ok config-files" |
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| 01:24.42 | starscalling | how about hardware h264 decoding |
| 01:24.46 | starscalling | anyone got that working? |
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| 01:26.38 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: so picard is like medimonkey?! |
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| 01:27.09 | dmi3on | hi all what debian i need for XEON's 64bit server ? |
| 01:27.23 | John2583 | dmi3on: em64t |
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| 01:28.48 | dmi3on | John2583, i dont see it here http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 01:29.02 | dmi3on | amd64bit ? |
| 01:29.46 | adb | ia64 ? |
| 01:29.54 | sylarrr | # lvextend /dev/backups_1T/1Taaa42342 -l +100%PVS |
| 01:29.54 | sylarrr | Segmentation fault |
| 01:30.01 | sylarrr | :S |
| 01:30.06 | sylarrr | bug? |
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| 01:30.09 | John2583 | dmi3on: sylarrr try with -vvv ? |
| 01:30.15 | sylarrr | k |
| 01:30.33 | John2583 | dmi3on: i can't get to that site right now because of my own circumstances |
| 01:30.48 | John2583 | dmi3on: doesn't it say em64t/amd64 ? |
| 01:31.01 | dmi3on | there is one amd64 |
| 01:31.08 | adb | dmi3on: do /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 01:31.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.23 | dmi3on | o there is one ia64 |
| 01:31.36 | dmi3on | i am not sure with one to use |
| 01:31.52 | John2583 | intel 64bit is kind of a copy of amd64 IIRC |
| 01:31.53 | sylarrr | http://pastebin.ca/1452727 |
| 01:31.54 | adb | amd64 , better even i686 |
| 01:32.13 | John2583 | sylarrr: hm i am on generic consoel lol.. my server is broke and i'm trying to fix |
| 01:32.17 | dmi3on | i am going with amd64 bit ? |
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| 01:32.31 | John2583 | adb: how is i686 better than 64bit? |
| 01:32.35 | adb | what is final use ? |
| 01:32.43 | adb | dmi3on: ^ |
| 01:32.48 | John2583 | xeon server |
| 01:32.49 | John2583 | server |
| 01:33.20 | dmi3on | i need to test aplication on deffernt OS |
| 01:33.38 | dmi3on | to see on what OS build network |
| 01:33.40 | adb | so 32 bits |
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| 01:33.53 | dmi3on | abd why not 64 bit |
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| 01:34.06 | dmi3on | when i have server dual core XEON's x2 ? |
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| 01:34.43 | adb | modern laptops are stronger than that |
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| 01:35.12 | dmi3on | ok |
| 01:35.47 | dmi3on | its all dependens how you define stronger :) |
| 01:36.05 | icebreacker | I need help ! what can i do to repair the error PCI: not using MMCONFIG? |
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| 01:36.48 | sylarrr | John2583, k |
| 01:36.52 | John2583 | sylarrr: i think you need to specify the physical volume also if you use +100%PVS |
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| 01:37.23 | John2583 | sylarrr: what are you trying to change? |
| 01:38.32 | sylarrr | John2583, I try to extend the lv to the maximum of the vg |
| 01:39.06 | John2583 | sylarrr: just do +100%FREE |
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| 01:40.30 | sylarrr | John2583, that was an error, I try to extend the vg after adding another partition to it |
| 01:40.35 | John2583 | sylarrr: in general though, yes, applications shouldn't segfault. so something seems wrong.. but i dont think you had the right syntax with that initial command |
| 01:40.47 | sylarrr | k |
| 01:40.57 | sylarrr | I think I didn't do the right command either |
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| 01:41.08 | John2583 | sylarrr: oh so you did pvcreate on a new partition? |
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| 01:41.55 | John2583 | sylarrr: did you do vgextend VolGroup /dev/blah yet? |
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| 01:42.02 | sylarrr | yes, I did pvcreate and vgextend to that |
| 01:42.14 | sylarrr | it is confusing |
| 01:42.39 | battle | anyone know why .bashrc isn't staying when a user logs in however if root it works? |
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| 01:43.44 | John2583 | sylarrr: do vgdisplay backups_1T and find the Free PE |
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| 01:43.48 | devsforev | Greetings everyone. I am running Debian Lenny, and am interested in installing an LDAP server. I've googled the net for how-to's, and I've found a bunch. None of them are too consistent however. Anyone here have a tutorial that they could sugguest (preferably one you have used)? Thanks in advance. |
| 01:43.59 | sylarrr | John2583, k, then ? |
| 01:44.12 | John2583 | sylarrr: then instead of +100%BLAH, do -l <free PE> |
| 01:44.26 | John2583 | sylarrr: i use it personally and it works better than the +100% for me |
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| 01:45.20 | John2583 | sylarrr: hmm |
| 01:45.44 | John2583 | sylarrr: odd |
| 01:45.59 | sylarrr | it was mounted, but I unmounted and still the same |
| 01:45.59 | John2583 | i wonder if you unmount the file system on it, lvchange -a n 1Taa42342 |
| 01:46.07 | John2583 | then try |
| 01:46.14 | John2583 | honestly though it should work all while it's in use, I thought |
| 01:46.24 | John2583 | especially increasing size |
| 01:46.44 | John2583 | sylarrr: are you sure there is no problem with the underlying physical volumes? they are raid right? |
| 01:47.01 | sylarrr | Yea :D |
| 01:47.05 | John2583 | heh |
| 01:47.12 | John2583 | hmmm |
| 01:47.18 | sylarrr | no not raid |
| 01:47.31 | sylarrr | just one disk |
| 01:47.33 | John2583 | who can tell me why udev wont auto load my kernel modules?! |
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| 01:47.42 | John2583 | sylarrr: oh i thought you added a disk to an existing VG |
| 01:47.51 | John2583 | er, partition |
| 01:47.58 | sylarrr | no, I just created some partition in the middle of the disk |
| 01:48.13 | sylarrr | and joined the other two around it |
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| 01:50.05 | battle | :< |
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| 01:52.09 | John2583 | so many joins/parts on this channel |
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| 01:52.51 | bawok | helo |
| 01:52.51 | bawok | i try install plesk 8.2.1 on my debian and if i have problem with the last process -bash: /etc/init.d/psa: No such file or directory |
| 01:52.52 | John2583 | bawok: hi |
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| 01:53.15 | John2583 | bawok: apt-cache search psa |
| 01:53.18 | bawok | hi to john |
| 01:53.23 | sylarrr | John2583, # vgchange -a y backups_1T |
| 01:53.23 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.23 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.34 | John2583 | bawok: one of the hits is psad "port scan attack detector" |
| 01:54.11 | bawok | oh |
| 01:54.13 | bawok | apt-cache search psa |
| 01:54.14 | bawok | done |
| 01:54.15 | bawok | and? |
| 01:54.35 | John2583 | sylarrr: honestly sounds like weird happened with your physical volumes.. did you perhaps shrink or remove your previous partition in this VG? |
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| 01:55.15 | John2583 | bawok: bawok google /etc/init.d/psa |
| 01:55.33 | sylarrr | John2583, yes, initially I shrinked the fs,the lv, the vg and pv and the partition |
| 01:56.11 | sylarrr | John2583, then I added two partitions |
| 01:56.20 | sylarrr | and joined the outer most |
| 01:56.26 | John2583 | sylarrr: the only way to be sure is to look in /etc/lvm/{backup,archive} and check the math |
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| 01:58.12 | John2583 | sylarrr: you could remove the /etc/lvm/.cache and try again |
| 01:58.41 | John2583 | that is just generic advice though |
| 01:59.04 | John2583 | brb |
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| 02:01.01 | sylarrr | John2583, what math? |
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| 02:01.51 | John2583 | sylarrr, nm on that hah |
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| 02:02.52 | John2583 | sylarrr, so i guess you just make sure that you make the total size of all LVs and the VG a bit smaller than you intend to resize the Physical Volume |
| 02:03.19 | John2583 | lvresize, vgresize, fdisk the parition, pvresize.. i think |
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| 02:05.14 | ProGenY | hi to all ... any one knows if there is a debian install for a toshiba e355 pocket pc |
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| 02:06.28 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry i was disconnected "stupid hotel connection" |
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| 02:08.35 | bawok | lol |
| 02:08.36 | bawok | -bash: deb: command not found |
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| 02:09.30 | John2583 | dacs, you need to find out what architecture CPU that device has |
| 02:09.51 | bawok | John2583 : -bash: deb: command not found |
| 02:10.00 | John2583 | bawok, what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:10.41 | bawok | installing plesk |
| 02:10.52 | bawok | 59-125-229-86:~# deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_8.2.1 etch all |
| 02:10.53 | bawok | -bash: deb: command not found |
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| 02:11.17 | bigbearomaha | heya |
| 02:11.24 | dacs | John2583: what?! |
| 02:11.40 | John2583 | dacs, sorry i didn't mean to send that to you |
| 02:11.45 | lcuk | melts |
| 02:11.48 | John2583 | ProGenY, you need to find out what architecture CPU that device has |
| 02:11.54 | dacs | lol |
| 02:12.00 | dacs | John2583: its cool |
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| 02:12.36 | adb | dacs: apt-cache show libipodui-cil |
| 02:12.38 | John2583 | bawok, looks like you found something online, that looks like a line you should add in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:13.02 | dacs | what is like azureus in lenny pleae? |
| 02:13.22 | John2583 | what did they rename azureus? |
| 02:13.26 | bawok | john2 |
| 02:13.31 | sylarrr | John2583, syslog has device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target |
| 02:13.40 | bawok | John2583 : i added deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_8.2.1 etch all on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:13.42 | bawok | and save it |
| 02:13.46 | sylarrr | device-mapper: table: 253:3: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 02:13.58 | adb | bawok: run lenny ? |
| 02:13.59 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.16 | bawok | adb : yes |
| 02:14.28 | adb | ok |
| 02:14.30 | sylarrr | John2583, azureus is known as vuze now |
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| 02:15.56 | John2583 | sylarrr, just the fact that it says "too small" makes me think you made something the wrong size |
| 02:16.22 | bawok | ? |
| 02:16.24 | sylarrr | John2583, how can it let me |
| 02:16.33 | John2583 | sylarrr, good point. |
| 02:16.37 | John2583 | it shouldnt |
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| 02:17.12 | adb | bawok: this repos is for etch , so not recommended |
| 02:17.13 | sylarrr | should I start to down size stuff? |
| 02:17.16 | ProGenY | John2583: its a intel PXA250 |
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| 02:18.38 | John2583 | sylarrr, if you do 'dmsetup info -c' do you have a device with major 8 and minor 49 ? |
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| 02:19.56 | sylarrr | "This is problem with LVM and GPT, and not with parted. LVM can't use non-PCDOS partition table, so you should, as you did, use whole disk, or PCDOS partition sheme." - huh? |
| 02:21.01 | John2583 | sylarrr, oh? where did you find that |
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| 02:21.01 | Zesturian | So I'm transfering data from one server to another, I noticed rsync is incremental, I have a quadcore server with a 100mbit pipe, is there a multithreaded rsync solution so it's doing more at once? |
| 02:21.44 | sylarrr | John2583, 253 3 (maj min) |
| 02:21.53 | John2583 | sylarrr, ya i guess not then. nm |
| 02:22.30 | John2583 | what about that gparted/dos issue you found |
| 02:22.35 | John2583 | that might be on to something, no? |
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| 02:25.07 | sylarrr | John2583, I don't know how to make dos type partition table |
| 02:25.14 | adb | bawok: it's a very old 'psa' from '07, try at least the newer, even still etch > http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_9.2.1/ |
| 02:25.15 | sylarrr | John2583, trying to reboot |
| 02:25.48 | sylarrr | John2583, because cfdisk said it cant write the partition table until boot |
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| 02:29.00 | John2583 | sylarrr, sounds like you have >2 TB devices? |
| 02:29.15 | John2583 | and what was the source for ""This is problem with LVM and GPT, and not with parted. LVM can't use non-PCDOS partition table, so you should, as you did, use whole disk, or PCDOS partition sheme." ? |
| 02:29.30 | John2583 | that seems to suggest you should just wipe the partition table and run pvcreate on the whole disk |
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| 02:30.34 | sylarrr | John2583, but I have some data on it, and beside , i want it splitted like I have it |
| 02:30.47 | sylarrr | and I have just 1TB |
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| 02:31.46 | hellues | hey how can i fix that error |
| 02:31.49 | hellues | hellues@debian:~$ epiphany |
| 02:31.49 | hellues | epiphany-browser: error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so.0d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:31.49 | hellues | hellues@debian:~$ galeon |
| 02:31.49 | hellues | galeon: error while loading shared libraries: libnspr4.so.0d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:32.05 | John2583 | hellues, first i would try 'ldconfig' |
| 02:32.10 | John2583 | as root |
| 02:32.46 | hellues | after |
| 02:33.02 | hellues | i wrote ldconfig nothing happened |
| 02:33.27 | sylarrr | John2583, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/183359 |
| 02:33.35 | sylarrr | that's where I found it |
| 02:33.49 | hellues | this is debian channel not ubuntu :D |
| 02:33.57 | adb | hellues: ls /usr/lib/| grep libplds4.so.0d |
| 02:34.03 | adb | does what ? |
| 02:34.33 | hellues | nothing |
| 02:34.40 | jony123 | can i upzip a zip file with the tar command |
| 02:34.41 | jony123 | ? |
| 02:35.00 | infomomo | jigdo is only for debian based distros ? and does using jigdo make sure i my ISO's are up to date ? |
| 02:35.38 | sylarrr | hellues, I am on debian |
| 02:35.42 | adb | hellues: install libnspr4-0d |
| 02:35.55 | sylarrr | hellues, though you have a nice smile :) |
| 02:36.21 | hellues | libnspr4-0d is already the newest version. |
| 02:36.21 | hellues | libnspr4-0d set to manually installed. |
| 02:36.28 | sylarrr | anyone know how to make sure the partition table uses a PCDOS scheme? |
| 02:36.30 | hellues | something wrong |
| 02:36.30 | infomomo | jony123: you can use gunzip to unzip files |
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| 02:37.04 | infomomo | jony123: 7z does it all, from zip to rar's |
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| 02:37.49 | John2583 | sylarrr, ok based on this bug (if your root problem is the same as this bug), show me pvs output and fdisk -l output |
| 02:38.06 | hellues | okey i reinstall libpns4 |
| 02:38.36 | hellues | fixed |
| 02:39.25 | hellues | by te way |
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| 02:39.49 | hellues | i installed iceweasel in three release lenny squeeze sid |
| 02:40.03 | adb | duh |
| 02:40.04 | hellues | same mistake in three release |
| 02:40.30 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.42 | hellues | there is same mistake,same bug in lenny squeeze,sid |
| 02:40.47 | hellues | how is it possible |
| 02:40.52 | adb | get here > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Dec 17 06:24 libplds4.so -> libplds4.so.0 |
| 02:41.55 | hellues | yeah i got that |
| 02:41.55 | adb | same ? |
| 02:42.00 | hellues | yeah same |
| 02:42.13 | adb | and this ? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8784 Sep 20 2008 libplds4.so.0d |
| 02:42.20 | hellues | i made aptitude purge libpls4 |
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| 02:42.24 | hellues | and reinstall |
| 02:42.29 | hellues | i check |
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| 02:42.38 | hellues | no |
| 02:42.46 | hellues | permission seems 777 |
| 02:43.08 | adb | not a permission issue , is a symlink issue |
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| 02:43.47 | hellues | ha i understand it is a link |
| 02:44.02 | hellues | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2009-06-09 05:38 libplds4.so.0d -> libplds4.s |
| 02:44.04 | sylarrr | John2583, http://pastebin.ca/1452798 |
| 02:44.25 | hellues | hey |
| 02:44.33 | hellues | who is debian maintainer in here |
| 02:44.44 | adb | and libplds4.so.0d is missing ? |
| 02:44.45 | hellues | i really really wonder so much |
| 02:44.50 | hellues | no |
| 02:44.53 | hellues | i mean |
| 02:45.04 | hellues | before 5 minutes it was missing |
| 02:45.24 | hellues | i fixed it with aptitude purge libpns4 and aptitude install libpns4 |
| 02:45.49 | John2583 | sylarrr, hmm what's up with sdd2 and sdd4 they are so small? |
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| 02:47.31 | sylarrr | John2583, sdd2 is metadata for drbd, it doesn't need much, and sdd4 is leftovers from cylinder rounding or something like that |
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| 02:49.33 | John2583 | sylarrr, so what Physical Volume(s) made up the VG backups_1T before the changes? and exactly what changes did you make? |
| 02:50.16 | sylarrr | John2583, it was all on /dev/sdd1 which was on all the disk |
| 02:50.40 | sylarrr | John2583, so I turned sdd1 smaller |
| 02:50.43 | John2583 | so there was only one partition, /dev/sdd1 |
| 02:50.55 | sylarrr | yes |
| 02:51.12 | hellues | sda sdb sdc sdd |
| 02:51.17 | hellues | :D |
| 02:51.45 | sylarrr | hellues, I see you know your sdbds :D |
| 02:52.27 | hellues | stupid iceweasel |
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| 02:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdp? |
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| 02:53.25 | sylarrr | /dev/stpd |
| 02:53.36 | John2583 | sylarrr, so you resized the file system, the LV, the VG, ran cfdisk to adjust the partition table, then pvresize.. assuming you did all that right, it sounds okay. |
| 02:53.58 | John2583 | sylarrr, have you tried rm -f /etc/lvm/.cache, pvcan, vgscan, lvscan, then try your lvcreate command, again? |
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| 02:54.16 | sylarrr | no, I'll try that now |
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| 02:54.23 | sylarrr | should I backup that cache? |
| 02:54.32 | John2583 | sylarrr, no need to |
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| 02:56.15 | sylarrr | I have /etc/lvm/cache/.cache it is a file |
| 02:56.17 | qiyong | how do I find who is using a mounted fs? lsof or fuser which what options? |
| 02:56.33 | John2583 | sylarrr, ok, then delete that one |
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| 02:58.31 | sylarrr | John2583, it is a vgchange -a y backups_1T |
| 02:58.41 | sylarrr | John2583, my command that don't work, and it still don't work |
| 02:58.52 | John2583 | sylarrr, that's how you activate the VG, yes |
| 02:58.58 | sylarrr | John2583, and by don't work I mean that I don't see /dev/backup_1T |
| 02:59.51 | John2583 | sylarrr, did this work vgchange -a y backups_1T |
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| 03:01.35 | sylarrr | John2583, no, but you wrote the same thhing I wrote |
| 03:01.52 | John2583 | sylarrr, i copy pasted it |
| 03:02.00 | John2583 | sylarrr, what is the error from that command "vgchange -a y backups_1T' |
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| 03:04.09 | sylarrr | the command line shows: |
| 03:04.26 | sylarrr | # vgchange -a y backups_1T |
| 03:04.26 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.26 | sylarrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.16 | John2583 | sylarrr, you haven't used that new PV yet have you? |
| 03:05.20 | sylarrr | and syslog :device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target, device-mapper: table: 253:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed, device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table |
| 03:05.21 | John2583 | you could remove it |
| 03:05.33 | sylarrr | John2583, no |
| 03:05.45 | sylarrr | John2583, no haven't used it yet |
| 03:05.57 | sylarrr | John2583, I can remove it |
| 03:06.18 | John2583 | hm not sure how you remove it from a VG before pvremove |
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| 03:06.44 | sylarrr | maybe just vgreduce? |
| 03:07.04 | John2583 | sylarrr, yes i think so |
| 03:07.23 | sylarrr | but ... why should I ? |
| 03:07.34 | John2583 | sylarrr, to see if you can at least activate and access your data! |
| 03:07.42 | John2583 | do you have backups? |
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| 03:08.02 | sylarrr | John2583, my data is not so important |
| 03:08.13 | John2583 | sylarrr, if not then wipe it and start over |
| 03:08.14 | John2583 | imo |
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| 03:09.02 | sylarrr | John2583, that would be the last option |
| 03:09.18 | John2583 | sylarrr, heh |
| 03:09.23 | sylarrr | John2583, though it is a possiblity |
| 03:09.39 | John2583 | sylarrr, so right now you can't even access your data right? |
| 03:09.42 | John2583 | if you wanted to |
| 03:09.50 | John2583 | you can't activate the VG |
| 03:09.57 | John2583 | so you can't mount the LV |
| 03:10.12 | sylarrr | the vg report as active, but it doesn't show up on /dev |
| 03:10.33 | sylarrr | can't mount the lv due to no /dev/bacups_1T |
| 03:10.33 | John2583 | sylarrr, hm try vgmknodes |
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| 03:11.33 | junix | is there a way to upgrade Debian Etch to the latest kernel without throwing a different NIC other than the broadcom |
| 03:12.11 | sylarrr | John2583, no go |
| 03:12.25 | John2583 | sylarrr, is there /dev/mapper/backups_1T-* ? |
| 03:15.08 | sparr | How can X be in a mode my monitor doesn't support when xrandr reports that it is still in my default (working) mode (1280x1024@50)? This happens most often when launching games, sometimes games I am certain use lower resolutions. Attempting to do "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1" from a console results in X crashing. |
| 03:15.51 | sylarrr | John2583, no /dev/mapper/*backu* |
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| 03:16.34 | sylarrr | John2583, after vgchange -n y there is |
| 03:17.00 | John2583 | -n y? |
| 03:17.04 | John2583 | do you mean -a y ? |
| 03:17.17 | sylarrr | y |
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| 03:17.49 | hi3 | just installed tortoisegit on a windows machine, anyone use it? |
| 03:18.15 | sylarrr | what does this mean? |
| 03:18.26 | adb | hi3: go #windows |
| 03:18.33 | hi3 | thanks |
| 03:18.35 | John2583 | adb++ |
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| 03:22.03 | treysmee | is there a way to list packages in a certain repository? |
| 03:22.06 | hanibana | hi all :) |
| 03:22.12 | bbelt16ag | hey I am confused peeps... |
| 03:22.17 | bbelt16ag | anybody good with opn isci? |
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| 03:22.46 | bbelt16ag | open-iscsi |
| 03:22.47 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 03:22.52 | John2583 | bbelt16ag, i have used iscsiadm and tgtadm (i think it is) |
| 03:23.00 | bbelt16ag | I don't understand how to create a target |
| 03:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | people really amaze me... (like hi3) |
| 03:23.50 | bbelt16ag | iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p $SAN_IP_ADDRESS <<<<<<<<<<<<< how do I setup the target for san_ipaddr??? |
| 03:23.50 | hanibana | What does rotate the /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog log files? I don't see any logrotate configuration... I'm using Debian Lenny. |
| 03:23.56 | John2583 | bbelt16ag, two different packages |
| 03:24.00 | bbelt16ag | aye |
| 03:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, logrotate normally |
| 03:24.11 | bbelt16ag | I installed openissci what other one? |
| 03:24.13 | John2583 | bbelt16ag, tgtadm |
| 03:24.18 | bbelt16ag | ahhh |
| 03:24.21 | bbelt16ag | tgtadm? |
| 03:24.28 | John2583 | hold on |
| 03:24.32 | bbelt16ag | is that the client with the physical hd? |
| 03:24.34 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, dpkg -L |grep etc |
| 03:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 03:24.57 | John2583 | a target is server |
| 03:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, dpkg -L logrotate |grep etc |
| 03:25.51 | bbelt16ag | ok openscsi package.. connects to taget with physicall hd... right? |
| 03:26.43 | creature_ | !framebuffer |
| 03:26.44 | dpkg | [framebuffer] a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 03:26.46 | John2583 | bbelt16ag, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-setup-linux-iscsi-target-sanwith-tgt.html |
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| 03:27.11 | creature_ | !fbcon |
| 03:27.11 | dpkg | well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
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| 03:27.38 | hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg -L logrotate |grep etc /etc /etc/logrotate.d /etc/logrotate.conf /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 03:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, I know... that's the answer to your question! |
| 03:28.05 | bbelt16ag | just found it ty John2583 |
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| 03:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I hope) |
| 03:28.56 | krfkeith | hi |
| 03:29.06 | krfkeith | what is the best debian for a new core i7 box? |
| 03:29.17 | krfkeith | which live cd should I get? |
| 03:29.31 | krfkeith | I don't imagine AMD64 |
| 03:29.56 | adb | you win |
| 03:29.57 | sylarrr | I don't use GPT do I? |
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| 03:30.18 | hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat: I got that, thanks. |
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| 03:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, ha... I was wrong - /usr/share/doc/logrotate/README.Debian tells us that there are other rotating programs |
| 03:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, "sysklogd uses its own log rotation scripts which can be found in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd and /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd" |
| 03:31.23 | hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat: I saw "rsyslog" |
| 03:31.34 | krfkeith | should I use stable or testing releases? |
| 03:31.38 | sylarrr | how to find out if I use GPT MBR? |
| 03:31.52 | hanibana | /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog |
| 03:32.15 | John2583 | anyone know why /etc/modules wouldn't work? |
| 03:32.20 | John2583 | i am using a custom kernel |
| 03:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, my system doesn't use rsyslog |
| 03:33.20 | hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat: Lenny uses rsyslog I think... sysklogd used in older versions... |
| 03:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I use lenny! |
| 03:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, for me, sysklogd definitely rotates syslog |
| 03:34.00 | creature_ | !fbcon resolution |
| 03:34.00 | dpkg | it has been said that fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 03:34.07 | junix | is there a debian update CD that i can download? I have 4.0r8 installed, but need to get a more upgraded kernel. |
| 03:34.46 | adb | etch->lenny |
| 03:34.50 | junix | yes |
| 03:34.50 | adb | !etch->lenny |
| 03:34.56 | krfkeith | etch is better? |
| 03:34.58 | junix | but i don't want to do a full update |
| 03:35.14 | adb | junix: you should |
| 03:35.18 | junix | i can't |
| 03:35.31 | junix | plesk won't run on 5.0.1 |
| 03:35.52 | hanibana | CutMeOwnThroat : for me: http://pastebin.com/m71b01bcf |
| 03:36.00 | hanibana | I'm using Lenny too ! |
| 03:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hanibana, I could have sworn logrotate does /var/log/messages, but I can't find where it's done |
| 03:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, my lenny comes all the way from potato via updates |
| 03:37.18 | treysmee | is there a way to list packages in a certain repository? |
| 03:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, *something* rotates my messages |
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| 03:39.58 | sylarrr | + if (!((start < dev_size) && (len <= (dev_size - start)))) { |
| 03:39.58 | sylarrr | + DMWARN("%s: %s too small for target", |
| 03:40.06 | junix | is there an update CD to etchnhalf |
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| 03:40.24 | sylarrr | John2583, so this is logical to see that warning |
| 03:40.59 | John2583 | sylarrr, you found a patch online that includes that error? |
| 03:41.08 | sylarrr | yes |
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| 03:41.18 | sylarrr | John2583, but I think maybe I am wrong |
| 03:41.31 | John2583 | sylarrr, i mean, i would assume something happened for your storage to be misconfigured.. either the lvm tools borked it, or you did |
| 03:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | junix, lenny |
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| 03:43.12 | sylarrr | where is dm-table.c? |
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| 03:45.38 | junix | CutMeOwnThroat: i can't use lenny |
| 03:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
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| 03:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just install the kernel from lenny |
| 03:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might also "/msg dpkg free whcp", junix |
| 03:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and then /msg dpkg keyword for the marked <keyword>s |
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| 03:57.02 | tonybaba | I can't edit /etc/fstab --> read-only file system. I can't create directories eg. /mnt/windows_c, because of similar error. I can't think of what could have changed |
| 03:57.23 | tonybaba | Debian Lenny |
| 03:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | junix, if that's not totally out of question you should really consider one of the alternatives for plesk... that pretty much sucks |
| 03:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | tonybaba, you probably had a crash/power failure or whatever |
| 03:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of filesystem is it |
| 03:59.03 | tonybaba | it's ext3 |
| 03:59.06 | pl4yer0ne | yeah tonybaba sounds like the system detected problems on the filesystem and re-mounted it read only |
| 03:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dmesg | less" probably gives you some errors |
| 03:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that tell you more] |
| 03:59.31 | tonybaba | okay, I will check |
| 03:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also try mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 03:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should either remount rw and/or give you the error at the end of dmesg again |
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| 04:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext3 shouldn't have troubles with a crash though |
| 04:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what a journal is for |
| 04:00.42 | pl4yer0ne | if its a raid system could have lost a disk |
| 04:01.15 | pl4yer0ne | I actually used to get a similar error on some direct attached storage a while ago |
| 04:01.16 | tonybaba | I remember now that during first boot this morning, just after grub, it rebooted |
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| 04:03.17 | tonybaba | thanks, CutMeOwnThroat, remount fixed it so far |
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| 04:03.55 | tonybaba | It is a 1 SATA drive system |
| 04:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should find out why it was ro, though |
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| 04:04.22 | pl4yer0ne | what sort of mobo is it on tonybaba ? |
| 04:04.48 | tonybaba | Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R |
| 04:05.13 | pl4yer0ne | that should be sweet |
| 04:05.42 | tonybaba | It rebooted just after grub. It's the first time this happened. |
| 04:05.58 | pl4yer0ne | have a look in the logs around the time it rebooted and see if it has any info |
| 04:06.11 | pl4yer0ne | and look for where it actually mounted the disk ro |
| 04:06.28 | tonybaba | ok |
| 04:07.05 | pl4yer0ne | it should definitely have the reason for the re-mounting |
| 04:07.08 | tonybaba | since it's fromn a previous boot, am I still able to use the dmesg |less command? |
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| 04:08.16 | pl4yer0ne | if its not look in /var/log/dmesg.0 |
| 04:08.32 | pl4yer0ne | and check out the syslog /var/log/syslog |
| 04:09.00 | sylarrr | which device is device 8:49 ? |
| 04:09.03 | pl4yer0ne | and maybe kern.log |
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| 04:15.02 | tonybaba | I have pasted cat dmesg.0|tail in #flood , I can't really make sense of it |
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| 04:15.24 | tonybaba | I recall inserting the network cable while it was booting |
| 04:16.18 | tonybaba | touch wood, everything seems to work |
| 04:16.37 | tonybaba | if you don't here from me again, you are the resistance |
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| 04:22.28 | grendal_prime | hey guys, I got this issue with an nfs mount. I get a werid protocol error when someone sftp's into this box and tries to modify an existing file that is available via an nfs mount. |
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| 04:22.34 | grendal_prime | anyone game on that one? |
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| 04:26.16 | tonybaba | after searching syslog, I have found the crash. I will google it. If you care to see I dump it in #flood |
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| 04:30.16 | sidd | hi, is there a usb bootable linux distro that keeps the usb drive ro? |
| 04:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | pl4yer0ne, he can't look on the logs that were written on a ro-partition |
| 04:31.06 | pl4yer0ne | yeah but it will say why before it re-mounts |
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| 04:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if the remount fails) |
| 04:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, of course... weird error! sure, that rings a bell, I got lots of those |
| 04:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | only 6 google hits for the phrase "weird protocol error" |
| 04:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to be pretty rare |
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| 04:38.26 | grendal_prime | CutMeOwnThroat: i know i know im trying to rdp into the frigging box that has the error right now. |
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| 04:47.40 | grendal_prime | nevermind...ill look at it tomorro |
| 04:47.46 | gaintsura | I can't unmount a drive even if I specify -f |
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| 04:48.14 | grendal_prime | stupid windows dhcp assigned the box some other ip and im not going to dig through them all.. |
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| 04:48.27 | cr4z3d | mmm windows |
| 04:48.34 | grendal_prime | whats the switch for nmap to get the windows nb hostname of a machine.... |
| 04:49.06 | grendal_prime | ya i know i dont use them accept for well i have to test sftp connections from windows clients. |
| 04:49.24 | grendal_prime | and this is just a werid ass problem... |
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| 04:50.05 | gaintsura | oh... |
| 04:50.07 | gaintsura | fark.. |
| 04:50.29 | gaintsura | uhm... is it ok to stop the logdaemon long enough to unmount and fsck the drive? |
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| 04:52.15 | eigma | I'm trying to purge a package (sudo dpkg --purge roundcube-core) and the package's postrm script is failing (subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10).. can I make dpkg ignore the postrm script? (debian 4.0, dpkg 1.13.26) |
| 04:52.15 | gaintsura | pooptastic |
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| 04:53.09 | sepult | eigma: go to the /var/lib/dpkg/info folder and delete the postrm script of the corresp. package |
| 04:53.18 | sepult | eigma: try uninstalling again |
| 04:53.39 | sepult | eigma: it several post pre scripts give errors remove them all |
| 04:53.51 | eigma | I'll do one better, I'll debug the script |
| 04:53.52 | sepult | eigma: and use --force-all to dpkg as option |
| 04:54.00 | eigma | thanks for pointing me to /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 04:54.12 | sepult | eigma: either debug it and edit it or remove it |
| 04:55.12 | sylarrr | John2583, reducing the lv solve the problem enlarging bring it back. Even by small amount. |
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| 04:56.57 | John2583 | sylarrr, no idea |
| 04:57.09 | sylarrr | k |
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| 05:03.58 | blubaustin | hello |
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| 05:04.33 | blubaustin | hm... I guess noboy is awake =( |
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| 05:10.59 | santium | Does anyone know why, when using a harddrive based install, it dies in a kernel panic on boot saying that no ext2 partition can be found? |
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| 05:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | At a guess because "it" cant find an ext2 partition. |
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| 05:13.27 | santium | Sorry, let me rephrase that. Does it not support ext3? |
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| 05:15.20 | blubaustin | hello How do I disable the fn key on my keyboard |
| 05:16.45 | sparr | When an app changes my X video mode to one my monitor doesn't support, how can I recover? "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" from a console reports that it is still in a known-good video mode (my default, 1280x1024@50Hz). "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1" results in X crashing. |
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| 05:21.41 | _abbenormal | hello guys need a hand with a working iso for net install need it to have a 2.6.29 kernel is it made out here yet |
| 05:22.03 | blubaustin | well u could just compile it afterwards. |
| 05:23.03 | _abbenormal | i have but not getting the nik to build under the vanilla kernel 2.6.29.4 |
| 05:23.18 | blubaustin | well u need to select the NIC |
| 05:23.23 | blubaustin | in the kernel config. |
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| 05:24.17 | _abbenormal | i have a working config that builds the right modules for the nik in 27 but 28 and 29 it does build it |
| 05:24.39 | blubaustin | well try building 27 then |
| 05:24.40 | _abbenormal | sorry doesnt build the module |
| 05:24.43 | blubaustin | then patching it up to |
| 05:24.44 | blubaustin | 28 |
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| 05:24.47 | blubaustin | 29* |
| 05:25.22 | _abbenormal | the drivers i use of something else has a need for the 29 kernel those wont build under 27 |
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| 05:25.42 | _abbenormal | ok ive not tried that couldnt hurt |
| 05:25.48 | _abbenormal | thanks |
| 05:25.52 | blubaustin | welcome ;) |
| 05:25.53 | blubaustin | I just hope |
| 05:25.57 | blubaustin | I find someone to help me >_< |
| 05:26.16 | _abbenormal | whats happening on your end |
| 05:26.36 | blubaustin | well its like my fn key thinks its being constantly held down |
| 05:26.46 | blubaustin | so I have to hold it in order to type properly |
| 05:26.51 | blubaustin | or it types with #'s |
| 05:27.07 | _abbenormal | checked key map |
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| 05:27.33 | blubaustin | well its something in the gui |
| 05:27.37 | blubaustin | is keymap in there? |
| 05:27.47 | blubaustin | because in the real terminal its fine |
| 05:27.47 | _abbenormal | you should be able to over write the keyboard map |
| 05:28.12 | _abbenormal | the gui uses a keyboard map also |
| 05:28.26 | _abbenormal | but terminal is fine hum |
| 05:28.39 | blubaustin | it works now. |
| 05:28.40 | blubaustin | wierd. |
| 05:28.44 | blubaustin | I unplugged it |
| 05:28.51 | blubaustin | and plugged it back in a other port |
| 05:28.53 | blubaustin | works fine |
| 05:28.59 | blubaustin | anyways PM if u have issues |
| 05:29.03 | blubaustin | I'll try to help |
| 05:29.05 | blubaustin | ;) |
| 05:29.30 | _abbenormal | thanks |
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| 05:30.38 | WormFood | do i need something else to make "cfv" make a torrent file? |
| 05:31.00 | blubaustin | welcoe |
| 05:31.03 | blubaustin | welcome* |
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| 05:35.23 | nsadmin | WormFood: understanding the format of a torrent is what's needed to answer that question |
| 05:35.49 | arvind_khadri | hi, i wanted to use winblows using debian as the host, apparently vmware isnt supported, would virtualbox do the needful ? |
| 05:35.50 | WormFood | no |
| 05:36.26 | WormFood | vmware isn't supported? what are you on? a '286? |
| 05:37.18 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, isnt supported in the sense its not free software |
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| 05:38.17 | WormFood | it is too free |
| 05:38.31 | WormFood | just go to their web site, and request an evaluation key |
| 05:38.39 | arvind_khadri | !vmware | WormFood |
| 05:38.47 | arvind_khadri | !vmware |
| 05:38.47 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 05:39.17 | WormFood | so debian does not distribute it....big deal |
| 05:39.31 | AbacusMonkey | the big deal is the fact that it's not free software |
| 05:39.43 | AbacusMonkey | and in many situations it cannot be used |
| 05:39.47 | AbacusMonkey | due to free software restrictions |
| 05:40.05 | WormFood | it is not that it can't be used |
| 05:40.19 | WormFood | it is the fact that some people restrict themselves by not distributing non-free software |
| 05:40.24 | arvind_khadri | AbacusMonkey, i just wanted to know how good is vboxose ? any leads? |
| 05:40.36 | sparr | WormFood: there are many situations in which vmware cannot be used |
| 05:40.50 | WormFood | name a situiation where it can't be used? |
| 05:40.52 | nsadmin | not all non-free has that status for the same reason |
| 05:41.23 | WormFood | if you are using it legally, then I expect it can be used almost anywhere |
| 05:42.05 | sparr | WormFood: off the top of my head... the standard vmware server EULA prohibits providing grid computing services |
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| 05:42.54 | WormFood | that is a licensing issue |
| 05:42.57 | AbacusMonkey | arvind_khadri I have always used virtualbox instead of vmware. It's good for some things. |
| 05:43.03 | AbacusMonkey | That's what we're talking about |
| 05:43.03 | WormFood | I was not aware of that limitation |
| 05:43.12 | AbacusMonkey | free software is all about licensing |
| 05:43.26 | WormFood | it is more than just licensing |
| 05:43.29 | AbacusMonkey | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html |
| 05:43.33 | WormFood | but that is the big thing |
| 05:43.52 | AbacusMonkey | it makes me sick to think that someone as stupid as you is here in the debian irc |
| 05:44.05 | sparr | so if VMWare limits what you can do with the software, then debian won't support it |
| 05:44.09 | sparr | that's part of what debian is |
| 05:44.14 | arvind_khadri | AbacusMonkey, i just want it to run basic softwares like browsers and messengers thats it :) |
| 05:44.28 | AbacusMonkey | arvind_khadri: then it'l lbe perfect :) |
| 05:44.29 | WormFood | AbacusMonkey, oh, I'm stupid because I don't agree with you? |
| 05:44.41 | AbacusMonkey | no you're stupid because you don't know what you're talking about |
| 05:44.54 | WormFood | AbacusMonkey, èä½ å¦ |
| 05:45.08 | arvind_khadri | AbacusMonkey, one more thing :) see i have a cam which doesnt work on the present kernel of debian, when i use vbox would that cam work? |
| 05:45.27 | sparr | arvind_khadri: it could |
| 05:45.38 | AbacusMonkey | there is a chance yeah |
| 05:46.03 | arvind_khadri | sparr, ok, lsusb detects it but the kernel doesnt support it... thanks anyways ... |
| 05:46.37 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, just wait a year or two, and it will be supported |
| 05:46.53 | WormFood | a year ago, my web cam was not supported under debian, and now it is ;) |
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| 05:48.05 | WormFood | sooo....back to my original question.......do i need some other program to enable "cfv" so that it can make a torrent file? |
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| 05:48.27 | krfkeith-i7 | hello |
| 05:48.30 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, its supported on 2.6.27 ... |
| 05:48.44 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, so why not upgrade? |
| 05:48.53 | krfkeith-i7 | does debian support 8400-series graphics cards? |
| 05:49.10 | krfkeith-i7 | it appears as if my install is using vesa emulation |
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| 05:49.21 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, i compiled it :) but screwed one option, would do so again sometime later :) |
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| 05:50.42 | ksnp | hi can anyone help me how i can get "killall" to work on my debian ? |
| 05:51.03 | WormFood | killall -9? |
| 05:52.08 | battle | anyone know why .bashrc isn't staying when a user logs in however if root it works? |
| 05:52.50 | WormFood | what do you mean by "isn't staying"? |
| 05:52.57 | WormFood | you mean it is not taking effect? |
| 05:53.06 | battle | yeah |
| 05:53.22 | WormFood | check permissions and ownership |
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| 05:53.35 | battle | i've tried doing chmod 777 on it |
| 05:53.37 | battle | still didn't work |
| 05:53.38 | battle | :d |
| 05:53.48 | WormFood | maybe that is why |
| 05:53.58 | WormFood | make it 700 |
| 05:54.29 | WormFood | I don't think that will help, but try it |
| 05:54.30 | battle | yeah that didn't work |
| 05:54.31 | battle | oO |
| 05:54.32 | WormFood | if it is 777, then that means anyone can write to it |
| 05:54.44 | macrobat | killall is in a pkg |
| 05:54.48 | WormFood | and some programs won't run when anyone can edit their config |
| 05:55.11 | battle | the chmod 700 didn't make it work :p |
| 05:55.13 | WormFood | battle, how are you testing it? |
| 05:55.19 | battle | relogging in |
| 05:55.24 | battle | through ssh |
| 05:55.27 | WormFood | heh |
| 05:55.38 | WormFood | try this, as root, type "su -" |
| 05:55.43 | WormFood | save some time testing |
| 05:55.54 | WormFood | er, I mean "su - username" |
| 05:55.58 | macrobat | there is also "pkill" |
| 05:55.58 | battle | ah |
| 05:56.00 | battle | yeah |
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| 05:56.18 | WormFood | it will make a new shell, and "exit" will take you back to your previous shell |
| 05:56.21 | battle | it said |
| 05:56.30 | battle | when i did the su - username |
| 05:56.36 | WormFood | if you don't like that, and want it to exit your shell as root, then type "exec su - username" |
| 05:56.38 | battle | i logged in than it went : .bash_login: Permission denied |
| 05:56.59 | WormFood | what branch is this on? |
| 05:57.14 | battle | might of been the chmod i did on that |
| 05:57.14 | battle | sec |
| 05:57.17 | battle | i'll try undoing that |
| 05:57.22 | WormFood | double check your ownership and permissions |
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| 05:58.20 | battle | hang on |
| 05:58.22 | battle | i'll do that |
| 05:58.26 | macrobat | source .bashrc? |
| 05:58.33 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.34 | battle | in my user directory |
| 05:58.52 | battle | oh |
| 05:58.53 | battle | it shows |
| 05:58.56 | battle | .basrc being owner of root |
| 05:58.56 | battle | :x |
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| 06:00.21 | battle | yeah |
| 06:00.22 | battle | that got it |
| 06:00.27 | battle | changed ownership of .bashrc to my username |
| 06:00.28 | battle | blah |
| 06:00.30 | battle | such an easy fix |
| 06:00.33 | battle | thanks :p |
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| 06:03.16 | WormFood | ok, installing bittornado will allow CFV to generate torrent files. |
| 06:03.53 | ksnp | wormfood : yes, killal |
| 06:04.00 | ksnp | instead of kill with process number |
| 06:04.05 | ksnp | killal with process name |
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| 06:05.22 | WormFood | battle, I'll give you a big unix/linux tip...perhaps one of the most valuable troubleshooting tips you'll ever get about Linux/Unix......you will probably find, most Linux/Unix problems to be related to ownership (including groups), and permissions. |
| 06:05.33 | battle | :P |
| 06:05.40 | battle | that was the last thing i thought of |
| 06:05.50 | WormFood | that is the first thing I thought of :P |
| 06:06.06 | WormFood | notice that was the first real thing I said? |
| 06:06.16 | battle | yeah |
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| 06:07.23 | WormFood | battle, how long you been working with Linux/Unix? |
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| 06:07.56 | battle | few months |
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| 06:08.02 | WormFood | aaahhh |
| 06:08.02 | WormFood | ok |
| 06:08.05 | battle | started out on ubuntu server, moved to debian |
| 06:08.07 | battle | :P |
| 06:08.21 | WormFood | write down what I said, and put it on a post-it on your monitor |
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| 06:08.33 | battle | ll |
| 06:08.33 | battle | lol |
| 06:08.52 | WormFood | I've been using Linux since 1994, and I've been using unix-like OSes since the mid-late 1980s |
| 06:09.10 | WormFood | so, I've been working on Linux, or systems similar to Linux for over 20 years :P |
| 06:09.30 | battle | ah yeah. |
| 06:10.02 | WormFood | learn the unix philosophy of how things are done...that will help a lot |
| 06:10.02 | ajavid | yo wormy |
| 06:10.04 | ajavid | whats up |
| 06:10.17 | ksnp | anyone know how i can get "killall" to work on my debian ? right now i use kill and process number, i want to use killall and process name instead |
| 06:10.18 | nsadmin | remembers having a netcom shell acct in like '85 |
| 06:10.29 | ajavid | I was 4 years old in 85 |
| 06:10.30 | WormFood | just chilling out, smoking some hash, and chatting online....whats up with you ajavid? |
| 06:10.53 | WormFood | nsadmin, really? that is cool. |
| 06:10.53 | sparr | ksnp: in what way does it not work now? |
| 06:10.53 | WormFood | I was on BBSes in 1985 |
| 06:10.56 | ajavid | WormFood, nothing, not being stoned, not bieng Nyle, just being ajavid, programming, coding, more programming and more coding |
| 06:11.07 | WormFood | but I didn't get a unix type system until a few years later |
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| 06:11.09 | nsadmin | yeah same here |
| 06:11.09 | ajavid | I was barely able to locate my dick in 85 |
| 06:11.11 | ajavid | :/ |
| 06:11.12 | ksnp | sparr : it can't find the command |
| 06:11.14 | ajavid | let alone a bbs |
| 06:11.29 | WormFood | I bought my first modem in 1985 |
| 06:11.32 | frankS2 | WormFood: lol, what internet you think was the best? in the 80's 90's or now? |
| 06:11.33 | sparr | ksnp: interesting, never seen it not installed. apt-get install killall ?? |
| 06:11.41 | ajavid | killall is not what |
| 06:11.42 | ajavid | you can't |
| 06:11.44 | ajavid | what? |
| 06:11.52 | WormFood | I may have been on BBSes in 1984, but I'm not sure...I *KNOW* I was on in 1985, because that is when I bought my modem |
| 06:11.55 | WormFood | my mom |
| 06:12.05 | WormFood | I was never on the internet in the 1980s |
| 06:12.14 | WormFood | I was on in the early 1990s, before the web was popular |
| 06:12.17 | sparr | how do you define internet? |
| 06:12.21 | frankS2 | WWW |
| 06:12.27 | sparr | seriously? |
| 06:12.28 | WormFood | ARPA net? |
| 06:12.30 | sparr | that's very narrow sighted |
| 06:12.31 | ksnp | sparr : it found some other packages related to it .. |
| 06:12.41 | sparr | I was using Gopher from a university system long before there was a WWW |
| 06:12.43 | ksnp | sparr : that do something else perhaps.. |
| 06:12.47 | WormFood | back in the early 90s, we didn't use web, we used gopher |
| 06:12.53 | ajavid | oh man |
| 06:12.56 | nsadmin | sparr: cloud of ethernets |
| 06:12.57 | ajavid | gopher was awesome! |
| 06:13.13 | nachuo | that's the internet's dark ages |
| 06:13.17 | WormFood | we would use services like "archie" and "veronica" to search "gopherspace" (we didn't call it "gopherspace" back then) |
| 06:13.20 | sparr | I remember sending FIDO mail, an inter-BBS mail system. took *days* for messages to hop from board to board |
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| 06:13.24 | ksnp | sparr : is there a way to check if a pckage is installed using aptitude |
| 06:13.25 | nachuo | it's held by nobles |
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| 06:13.46 | WormFood | now I was part of a modem based network, back in the late 1980s and very early 90s |
| 06:13.50 | sparr | ksnp: probably, i dont use aptitude |
| 06:13.56 | WormFood | which was run on unix-like systems |
| 06:14.13 | ajavid | sparr, dpkg -L psmisc |
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| 06:14.19 | nsadmin | ksnp: dpkg -s <pkgname> |
| 06:14.28 | sparr | ajavid: psmisc, thanks |
| 06:14.31 | ajavid | you should use aptitude |
| 06:14.34 | sparr | ksnp: ^^ |
| 06:14.36 | ajavid | you really should |
| 06:14.39 | sparr | why? |
| 06:14.44 | sparr | I never have anything but trouble with it |
| 06:14.49 | ajavid | it is superior in every way |
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| 06:15.15 | sparr | I find that to be false |
| 06:15.16 | nsadmin | aptitude has that extra database |
| 06:15.20 | ajavid | apart from the things it can't do that apt-get can, for example source packages etc. building |
| 06:15.24 | WormFood | now the modem I bought in 1985 was very cool...a blazing 300 baud...man! that thing was so fast, you could feel the telephone cable getting warm when you used it....it blistered the paint on the case. |
| 06:15.26 | sparr | it is far harder to use, and breaks more often, than apt-get |
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| 06:15.52 | ajavid | its easier, resolves more dependency intelligently, resolves conflicts intelligently, and is just better |
| 06:15.55 | ajavid | !why aptitude |
| 06:15.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 06:16.07 | nsadmin | apt-get was originally meant as a test driver program for the libs |
| 06:16.08 | ||arifaX | hi, is it possible to add a iso image to fstab so it looks like a physical cdrom. I have an HP driver cd for lenny that wants to add to apt as cdrom but I want to hold it on the disk for future use? |
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| 06:16.33 | WormFood | seriously, my 300 baud modem was cool, because it was "direct connect"...it plugged straight into the wall....to use it, you pick up the phone, dial the BBS...wait for the carrier...push the 'on-line' button on the modem...then hang up the phone. (no auto-dial) |
| 06:16.34 | ajavid | WormFood, my first was 2400 baud |
| 06:16.39 | sparr | to be clear, are we discussing CLI aptitude, or the ncurses interface? |
| 06:16.47 | ajavid | sparr, there is only one aptitude |
| 06:16.57 | sparr | yes, but you can use it in two very different ways |
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| 06:17.12 | nsadmin | ||arifaX: you need to specify the loop option (man 5 fstab for details) |
| 06:17.13 | ajavid | you use it just one way. it just happens to have an ncurses based interafce, optional. |
| 06:17.27 | ajavid | you don't have to use it |
| 06:17.50 | WormFood | what was funny, I then got 1200 baud, then in a very short period of time, I went to 2400, 9600, 14.4k, then 28.8k |
| 06:17.52 | sparr | I hate the ncurses interface. Often it ends up in a state inconsistent with my installed packages, and nothing short of purging the aptitude configuration will resolve the problem. |
| 06:17.58 | ajavid | sparr, I concur |
| 06:18.15 | ajavid | I find mucking about in aptitude hyperspace to be wasteful |
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| 06:18.26 | ajavid | its a harder to use interface than the cli IMO |
| 06:18.55 | ksnp | ajavid / sparr : how do i check if a package is installed with aptidude ? |
| 06:18.56 | sparr | and at the CLI, I regularly run into situations that I can't resolve with aptitude but can with apt-get |
| 06:19.04 | ajavid | ksnp, apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 06:19.05 | sparr | ksnp: I don't know, I don't use aptitude. |
| 06:19.14 | ksnp | k.. |
| 06:19.27 | sparr | aptitude *seems* to handle unusual pinning less well than apt-get |
| 06:19.49 | ajavid | on stable, pinning shouldn't even really be done |
| 06:19.50 | sparr | which, I admit, is a very unusual case, since most people don't set any apt preferences |
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| 06:20.09 | ajavid | I use a mix of testing/unstable/experimental and I have to have pinning specific |
| 06:20.10 | sparr | every time I deal with pinning I regret the lack of good documentation on the subject |
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| 06:20.18 | sparr | been there |
| 06:20.21 | sparr | mix in some ubuntu :) |
| 06:20.25 | ajavid | sparr, the source code is the most excellent docs |
| 06:20.33 | sparr | and plenty of fourth party repos |
| 06:20.59 | ajavid | you can't figure it out, can't find docs, download the source package and go at it |
| 06:21.22 | sparr | hold a few dozen packages, add a few dozen pins (of varied scope) by version, package name, distro... |
| 06:21.29 | ajavid | I'm having to go from zend framework to cakephp for this one particular client, and let me tell you, cakephp aint no cake. |
| 06:21.53 | ajavid | so the point being, I'm just going through someone else's code trying to figure out whats goin gon |
| 06:22.01 | ajavid | same could be said for any thing really |
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| 06:22.41 | sparr | sure, but reading the source is rarely a worthwhile approach |
| 06:22.46 | sparr | compared to just giving up |
| 06:22.55 | ajavid | well I'm a developer |
| 06:22.56 | ksnp | ajavid : how to refresh the list of packages ? |
| 06:22.58 | ajavid | its easy |
| 06:23.06 | ajavid | ksnp, aptitude update |
| 06:23.20 | ajavid | !tell ksnp -about grounding |
| 06:23.30 | sparr | I have suffered from a bug in the linux kernel (a module) for 3 years now. I could fix it with two lines of code. But it wouldn't be worth the hassle of N more years of having to maintain my own kernel builds every upgrade. |
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| 06:23.54 | WormFood | so automate the kernel upgrade process |
| 06:24.08 | ajavid | uhm.. don't upgrade? |
| 06:24.41 | ajavid | I still have a sarge/testing box (yes, sarge when it was testing) and it runs fantastic |
| 06:24.48 | ajavid | have never upgraded it |
| 06:25.03 | martian67 | sparr, um why would you not just submit a patch |
| 06:25.06 | martian67 | dosent seem that hard |
| 06:25.28 | sparr | martian67: wouldn't be good enough for inclusion |
| 06:25.49 | martian67 | if it fixes a demonstrable bug properly |
| 06:25.51 | ajavid | then talk to upstream |
| 06:25.51 | martian67 | it would bre |
| 06:25.57 | WormFood | I was forced to use a custom kernel in sid on my laptop after some point, because they removed the driver I needed for my wireless card. |
| 06:26.00 | sparr | ajavid: for the same reason I run unstable, when I run debian, that's not really an option. I'm a real world user, not a server admin. I need new hardware drivers and such on a regular basis. |
| 06:26.01 | martian67 | its much more sane than not upgrading for 4 years |
| 06:26.03 | martian67 | what the fuck lol |
| 06:26.05 | ajavid | tell them what it is, tell them how to fix it, submit a patch, and let them take care of it |
| 06:26.12 | fliu | Hi all. I've just installed debian lenny on thinkpad T400. While I still cannot get the wireless to work. According to some posts searched on the internet, I need a newer kernel (2.6.28 or higher). I've apt-get it but cannot find it in the grub list. How can I make them work? |
| 06:26.13 | sparr | martian67: I doubt I could fix it "properly" |
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| 06:26.22 | martian67 | sparr, then report it |
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| 06:26.30 | martian67 | and how do you know its not already fixed? |
| 06:26.32 | sparr | I have, and others have |
| 06:26.45 | sparr | err, what do you mean? |
| 06:26.46 | ajavid | you need new hw on a regular basis? |
| 06:26.49 | ajavid | what do you do? |
| 06:26.53 | sparr | ajavid: I buy new hw on a regular basis |
| 06:26.54 | ajavid | replace your mobo every week? |
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| 06:26.59 | martian67 | >I need new hardware drivers and such on a regular basis. |
| 06:27.03 | martian67 | but you run a 4 year old kernel |
| 06:27.05 | sparr | I actually haven't replaced my mobo in a while |
| 06:27.06 | martian67 | umm ok? |
| 06:27.16 | ajavid | sparr, you're not making too much sense. |
| 06:27.18 | sparr | who said I run a 4 year old kernel? |
| 06:27.28 | martian67 | you did? |
| 06:27.35 | sparr | I must have missed that |
| 06:27.42 | ajavid | I must have missed it too |
| 06:27.49 | sparr | I run a very recent kernel |
| 06:27.55 | ksnp | i installed debian on vmware on windows host |
| 06:28.00 | sparr | 2.6.28 |
| 06:28.01 | ajavid | ksnp, stop doing that. |
| 06:28.07 | ksnp | doing what ? |
| 06:28.12 | ajavid | ksnp, j/k, but really, install it on the system! |
| 06:28.26 | ajavid | wipe windows clean! |
| 06:28.29 | ksnp | i don't have another system yet :) |
| 06:28.32 | sparr | the bug was introduced somewhere in the vicinity of 2.4.10... been so long I've forgotten exactly |
| 06:28.52 | ksnp | i am going to eventually get a system for debian, but need to play and get comfortable before buying a system, hence vmware |
| 06:28.53 | sparr | maybe I've got that wrong |
| 06:29.06 | sparr | anyway, the bug involves nvidia NICs that report the MAC backwards |
| 06:29.13 | sparr | so every time I reboot I get a random MAC |
| 06:29.19 | ksnp | ajavid - can you help with this anyway - dont think it has anything to do with vmware.. |
| 06:29.37 | sparr | which plays merry hell with my router |
| 06:29.37 | ajavid | ksnp, ask. |
| 06:29.38 | d0htem | ksnp: i dont know how virtualbox runs on win32 but suggesting virtualbox over vmware anyways :) |
| 06:29.46 | ksnp | when i use the vmware menu to connect or disconnect the network, it doesn't seem to run dhcp again to get a new address - even when i move to different subnet |
| 06:29.58 | sparr | ksnp: sounds like a vmware problem |
| 06:29.59 | ajavid | ksnp, of course |
| 06:30.03 | ajavid | ksnp, think about it |
| 06:30.06 | ksnp | d0htem : virtualbox doesn't run on windows i think ? |
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| 06:30.15 | d0htem | ksnp: it does |
| 06:30.25 | ksnp | ajavid : so its vmware problem you think ? |
| 06:30.26 | ajavid | ksnp, to the debian inside the VM, you're basically hotplugged your nic, in and out |
| 06:30.36 | ksnp | ahh i see. |
| 06:30.49 | ksnp | i thought its like plugging in and plugging out the network cable |
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| 06:31.10 | ksnp | because that's how seems to work with a windows guest.. |
| 06:31.11 | ajavid | you need to /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 06:31.12 | ajavid | whatever |
| 06:31.24 | ksnp | exactly as if i was removing an dputting a cable back |
| 06:31.29 | ajavid | windows will automatically detect that plugged in or not, and request dhcp |
| 06:31.32 | ajavid | debian doesn't do that |
| 06:31.37 | ksnp | ok.. |
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| 06:31.43 | ksnp | if do if eth0 down and up it will work ? |
| 06:31.51 | ksnp | right now i am killing dhcp and restarting |
| 06:31.53 | ajavid | try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:31.55 | ksnp | and that is wokring |
| 06:32.07 | ksnp | so i conclude d its a dchp issue |
| 06:32.07 | ajavid | and stop making it disconnect and reconnect |
| 06:32.13 | ajavid | just let it be |
| 06:32.16 | ksnp | well.. the subnet changes |
| 06:32.24 | ksnp | so i have to make it get a new address and i tried that |
| 06:32.34 | ksnp | but didn't work, so i decided to kill dhcp and restart and that does it.. |
| 06:32.41 | ksnp | but i was hoping a automatica way would be better.. |
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| 06:33.03 | ajavid | ok, vmware networking is kinda like having a usb nic |
| 06:33.16 | ajavid | it could be up and running, working, and then you pull out the nic from usb socket |
| 06:33.20 | ajavid | plug it back in |
| 06:33.32 | ajavid | and you want to renew dhcp at that time |
| 06:33.48 | ajavid | is this what you're tryign to do? kinda |
| 06:34.23 | fliu | I can find vmlinuz for the newly installed kernel, but no initrd, why? |
| 06:34.25 | ajavid | anyway, windows does it automatically, debian by default doesn't |
| 06:34.36 | ajavid | fliu, where? |
| 06:34.58 | ajavid | fliu, I'm not sure if debian will create a symlink in / for initrd.gz |
| 06:35.05 | ajavid | fliu, though, they are located in /boot/ |
| 06:35.22 | fliu | ajavid: /boot/ |
| 06:35.36 | ajavid | fliu, you built the kernel? |
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| 06:36.30 | ajavid | if you installed a stock debian kernel, it should be in /boot along with its initrd |
| 06:36.33 | fliu | ajavid: I just installed the linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686. |
| 06:36.46 | ajavid | if you compiled your own kernel, you have to use create one |
| 06:36.47 | fliu | ajavid: apt-get installed it |
| 06:37.02 | ajavid | fliu, hmm, no idea |
| 06:37.29 | ajavid | I'm not even on stable |
| 06:37.33 | fliu | ajavid: So, if the apt-get install works fine, there should be one initrd image there? |
| 06:37.43 | fliu | ajavid: /boot/ ? |
| 06:37.57 | ajavid | in /boot there should be a .29 versioned initrd |
| 06:38.20 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.9M 2009-04-23 23:06 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 06:38.28 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5M 2009-03-26 03:22 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:38.35 | ajavid | as for .29, I don't know |
| 06:38.50 | ajavid | yes, I logged into my stable box for you, but im not installing the .29 backport |
| 06:39.20 | fliu | ajavid: find, thank you anyway. |
| 06:40.00 | ksnp | ajavid, so there's no way for debian to detect a change of network (say i leave the network connect/disconnect from the menu as it is) ? |
| 06:40.14 | fliu | BTW, what's the xxx-bigmem for? How big should the MEM be? |
| 06:40.17 | ajavid | ksnp, no |
| 06:40.57 | ajavid | ksnp, if you have a network, configured, up, you pull out the ethernet cable, link goes down, nic still configured, you place the cable back into nic, all is well, link is up, already configured from before |
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| 06:41.12 | ajavid | ksnp, in vmware, using the right click menu to turn network off, is NOT the same thing |
| 06:41.27 | ajavid | its NOT pulling the cable out, its making the debian system think the nic does not exist anymore |
| 06:42.10 | ajavid | afaik |
| 06:42.10 | ksnp | ok.. |
| 06:42.10 | ajavid | try #vmware |
| 06:42.10 | ksnp | hmm. didn't know that channel, cool.. |
| 06:42.10 | ajavid | ksnp, so that throws it off |
| 06:42.10 | ksnp | what does debian on bare metal do ? |
| 06:42.15 | ajavid | huh? |
| 06:42.16 | ksnp | if i unplug cable and move it to different subnet, doe sit automatically try to get a new address ? |
| 06:42.19 | gyaresu | Hey there. Quick question: How can I select only one package from testing to install (it's a stand alone) using aptitude? I'm currently running Lenny. I know I could compile from source but thought there might be a more elegant way. |
| 06:42.27 | ajavid | ksnp, no |
| 06:42.28 | ksnp | debian installed on real machine i mean - bare metal |
| 06:42.42 | ajavid | ksnp, look man |
| 06:43.12 | ajavid | just like |
| 06:43.14 | ajavid | Idunno man. |
| 06:43.19 | ksnp | ok.. |
| 06:43.22 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 06:43.28 | ksnp | ok. cool.. |
| 06:44.16 | fliu | ajavid: I might found why the initrd image is missing. Since I install debian from a liveCD, and basically just rsync the live system onto the harddrive. So after I installed a new kernel, I got "update-initramfs is disabled since running on a live CD" error! How can I tell the system we are not runing on a live CD? |
| 06:44.40 | ajavid | fliu, I have to get into bed |
| 06:44.49 | ajavid | fliu, I have absolutely NO experience with debian live |
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| 06:44.59 | ajavid | I should try to use it soemtime |
| 06:45.03 | ajavid | get famililar with it |
| 06:45.08 | ajavid | but anway, good night |
| 06:47.35 | fliu | ajavid: good night! |
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| 06:53.42 | safruhani | hi, can i use package from ubuntu jaunty repositories? (filezilla package) |
| 06:54.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 06:54.32 | safruhani | it's also .deb package ? |
| 06:54.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, most likely it is. not built for Debian though. |
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| 06:56.22 | safruhani | Kamping_Kaiser: ok but is'nt there a filezilla package for debian? |
| 06:56.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, info filezilla |
| 06:56.47 | safruhani | oh i'm sorry |
| 06:56.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | wait, the bot is checking. |
| 06:57.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | might be a minute or two |
| 06:57.17 | safruhani | ok sure, thank you |
| 06:57.26 | nkuttler | safruhani: apt-cache search filezilla |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | filezilla: (Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.2.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1135 kB, Installed size: 2904 kB |
| 06:57.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks like its available |
| 06:57.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, info lenny filezilla |
| 06:58.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, info filezilla lenny |
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| 07:01.22 | fliu | Hi all, since I installed debian from a liveCD via rsync, I cannot install any new kernels, got error "update-initramfs is disabled since running on a live CD" all the time. How can I fix this? |
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| 07:01.52 | oh_noes | any mdadm pro's? One of my md's has died (RAID10) and I can't figure out why |
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| 07:14.31 | sylar | how to add linear personality to mdadm ? |
| 07:15.24 | stenn | hi. I'm currently testing mdadm's RAID10 in Virtualbox. I currupted one of my hard drive images -- purposefully -- umounted the array, but can no longer mount it (checksum errors, group descriptor curruption, etc.) Strangely, /proc/mdstat hums along as if everything's OK... |
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| 07:18.49 | stenn | sylar: do you mean, how to initialise an array, or kernel support? (check /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/md/linear.ko) |
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| 07:20.10 | stenn | sylar: what's the output of "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/md/linear.ko" ? |
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| 07:21.55 | sylar | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/md/linear.ko |
| 07:22.07 | sylar | sten, should I just modprob it? |
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| 07:22.11 | Traveler8 | does anybody know how to connect via umtsstick to the web? |
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| 07:23.38 | nsadmin | Traveler8 what's a umtstick |
| 07:24.13 | stenn | sylar: normally it would be autoloaded. for example, the raid10 module is autoloaded for me. Have you already tried to initialize your array? |
| 07:24.26 | sylar | no |
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| 07:24.38 | sylar | I am trying to do linear lvm |
| 07:29.51 | stenn | sylar: ah, there are two ways you can do this: 1. Use mdadm to create a linear array of the drives -> /dev/md0 -> which you then partition with LVM. The second way, is to add your drives to an LVM volume group, without using mdadm. Which way are you using? |
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| 07:30.15 | oh_noes | Anyone got a sec to help me with a mdadm problem?: http://pastebin.com/m10018694 |
| 07:30.21 | oh_noes | I'm not sure what state the md is in |
| 07:30.22 | sylar | stenn, the 2nd |
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| 07:30.32 | sylar | stenn, and I get an error |
| 07:30.49 | sylar | stenn, device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target |
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| 07:33.57 | Danielss89 | is there a command to show system specs? like ram, cpu and such things? |
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| 07:35.10 | sylar | Danielss89, lspci, htop |
| 07:35.25 | Danielss89 | thx sylar |
| 07:36.14 | stenn | sylar: the most common reason for this type of error is apparently partition table physical-to-virtual misalignment stuff...I'm looking into it a bit more. Have you dedicated your whole, unpartitioned disks to LVM? |
| 07:36.26 | Danielss89 | sylar: which packet lets me use lspci |
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| 07:37.01 | sylar | Danielss89, I don't know |
| 07:37.09 | sylar | Danielss89, maybe dpkg know |
| 07:37.18 | stenn | Danielss89: pciutils |
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| 07:37.32 | stenn | I think... |
| 07:38.01 | sylar | stenn, sdd1+sdd3 is the lv |
| 07:38.11 | JJOliver | Hi peeps, I have made a local mirror using apt-mirror (it's a long story but worked better for me than rsync) and I'd like to have the ability to have on the webserver of the mirrored machines the DVD iso's. Whats the best way to do this? |
| 07:38.54 | sylar | there may be a slight alinment problemm |
| 07:40.04 | stenn | sylar: lets work through this here: http://pastebin.com/m2432897a |
| 07:40.33 | stenn | sylar: please post your partition table info |
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| 07:44.05 | Traveler8 | umts stick |
| 07:44.18 | Traveler8 | umts usbstick |
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| 07:44.51 | Traveler8 | has anybody a idea how to connect via umts usbstick to the web i am a newbie in this |
| 07:44.57 | Traveler8 | and i searched the web |
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| 07:47.12 | stenn | ahhh... mdadm --assemble --update=resync /dev/md0 /dev/sdXY /dev/sdxy etc. was what I'm probably looking for |
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| 07:50.46 | stenn | sylar: thanks. Sorry for the delay. rebuilding that raid array in a virtual machine slowed my system to a crawl! |
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| 07:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | umts?! |
| 07:51.40 | sylar | stenn, do i need to post the http://pastebin.com/m1e7f3d69 ? |
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| 07:53.27 | stenn | sylar: no that's ok, I found the followup no problem (followups are listed on the page I linked to, I think...this pastebin has more features than we need!) |
| 07:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, if you searched the web, you surely found this http://tuxmobil.org/linux_on_laptops_with_umts_cards.html |
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| 07:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I *do* wonder... if you don't mention what stick it is (chipset) here, your websearch probably also didn't include it |
| 07:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww |
| 07:54.56 | stenn | sylar: from what I can see, you have a fairly complex setup. First, are you using mdadm for sda, sdb, and sdc? (it looks like you are, or plan to, based on your partition table). Only sdd is configured for LVM, and I'm not sure why the whole disk hasn't been dedicated to it... |
| 07:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3am... bedtime, I guess |
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| 07:55.50 | Traveler8 | its a web and walk stick of a certain provider |
| 07:55.54 | Traveler8 | t-online |
| 07:56.13 | sylar | stenn, I only have the problem with sdd |
| 07:56.24 | Traveler8 | i have installed lenny via netinst and it worked fine |
| 07:56.28 | sylar | stenn, the rest are fine |
| 07:56.53 | Traveler8 | and now i want to get the internetconnection to update and so on |
| 07:56.59 | stenn | sylar: ah, I should have read farther :-) |
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| 07:57.03 | stenn | sylar: Disk /dev/md5: 315.4 GB |
| 07:57.19 | stenn | sylar: that's a mdadm-controlled raid array, from what I can tell |
| 07:57.36 | sylar | yes and it have lvm on it too |
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| 07:57.55 | sylar | but I don't know how important is that |
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| 08:00.27 | caraconan | It worked a week ago |
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| 08:02.25 | stenn | sylar: I haven't personally worked with LVM before, but there are physical volumes, and volume groups. Your mdadm raid array is understood by LVM as a physical volume. Now you're trying to add /dev/sdd as a physical volume |
| 08:02.32 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m3e8de983 |
| 08:02.44 | stenn | sylar: to the same volume group -- in append mode |
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| 08:03.02 | caraconan | sylar Can you repeat the question? Maybe I can help you |
| 08:03.09 | sylar | stenn, no I have new vg for sdd |
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| 08:04.24 | stenn | sylar: so you want to manage sdd separately completely sepparately from your array? |
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| 08:05.02 | sylar | \caraconan, device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target |
| 08:05.02 | sylar | <sylar> and 8:49 is sdd1 where the lv is supposed to sit on sdd1+sdd3 and if the size of the lv is less then sdd1 I don't get this err |
| 08:05.18 | sylar | stenn, yes |
| 08:05.48 | caraconan | Sorry, no idea |
| 08:05.49 | stenn | sylar: do you have your sdd data backed up right now? (can you wipe sdd?) |
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| 08:05.57 | sylar | caraconan, error being device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target |
| 08:06.19 | sylar | stenn, sdd is the backup but I have the original |
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| 08:07.12 | stenn | sylar: what I've read is the easiest way to get around alignment issues, is to just use fdisk to add a blank partition table to the device, and then add the whole /dev/sdd to the logical volume group |
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| 08:07.35 | stenn | sylar: and then use LVM's logical volumes to partition space from there |
| 08:08.07 | bzed | you don't even need to add a blank partition table for that |
| 08:08.15 | sylar | stenn, but the thing is that I want a partition in the middle of the disk |
| 08:08.22 | bzed | just remove the partition table.. adding a PV on the disk should do that |
| 08:08.34 | bzed | sylar: you don;t want partitions if you're using lvm |
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| 08:08.41 | omid8bimo | enjoying bitlbee :) |
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| 08:08.56 | BleSS | how to know how much memory is taken by a python script? I tried with top in linux, but it shows all memory used by python |
| 08:09.16 | stenn | bzed: adding a PV zeroes the partition table on the block device? (I don't have much experience with LVM) |
| 08:09.32 | sylar | how can i check alignment? |
| 08:09.53 | bzed | stenn: it should, yes |
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| 08:11.00 | Janhouse | How can I change |
| 08:11.04 | stenn | bzed: ahhh. Thanks. It seems sylar wants to insure that some of his data is physically in the middle of the disk. Can an logical volume in the middle of the disk fulfill this requirement? |
| 08:11.07 | Janhouse | debian restart/shutdown menu? |
| 08:11.22 | Janhouse | That it looks like one in Ubuntu |
| 08:11.29 | Janhouse | with nice icons and so on |
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| 08:11.40 | bzed | sylar: why would one want to have th edata in the middle of the disk? |
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| 08:12.17 | sylar | bzed, you may not agree with my logic |
| 08:12.19 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 08:12.25 | JJOliver | Anyone know how to use Jigdo to make the ISO images for a local mirror? |
| 08:13.03 | sylar | bzed, but... most of the time the head will be there, and so I thing it will have less chance to be damaged there |
| 08:13.31 | bzed | sylar: damaged by what? |
| 08:14.21 | sylar | bzed, by the end of the platter by the walls idk |
| 08:14.56 | sylar | bzed, seem safer in the middle, and also when not in the middle less time to seek back to the middle |
| 08:15.12 | bzed | sylar: eh we're not living 30 years ago |
| 08:15.36 | bzed | sylar: thinking about such things really doesn't make sense anymore these days |
| 08:15.49 | sylar | bzed, today's terabytes are very fragile |
| 08:16.09 | sylar | bzed, look at the reviews at newegg.com |
| 08:16.17 | stenn | bzed: sylar: because disks are now cheap, and everyone should raid 1 or raid 10 if they care about their data (imho) |
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| 08:16.35 | stenn | ...in addition to backup... |
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| 08:17.16 | sylar | yes, well, but now we are talking about my logic, instead of the lvm problem :( |
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| 08:17.38 | sylar | how can i check alignment? |
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| 08:18.35 | bzed | sylar: I still don't understand what kind of alignment problem you have and where it comes from |
| 08:18.41 | stenn | sylar: fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 08:19.08 | stenn | sylar: you'll notice sdd4 32766 32766 |
| 08:19.12 | stenn | start end |
| 08:19.21 | stenn | while |
| 08:19.23 | bzed | sylar: if I understand it right, you've added a md mirror (?) or so on your drives, right? |
| 08:19.23 | stenn | /dev/sdd2 32767 32772 |
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| 08:20.44 | stenn | bzed: he wants lvm to manage his whole sdd, but wants to to insure that what looks like about 48195 blocks of data is in the middle, where it is safer... |
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| 08:21.11 | stenn | sylar: /dev/sdd2 is out-of-order, in the middle of the disk |
| 08:21.14 | bzed | and I think sylar knows nothing about lvm and md |
| 08:21.22 | stenn | sylar: err. /dev/sdd4, I mean |
| 08:22.15 | sylar | bzed, I know on a need to know basis |
| 08:22.34 | bzed | sylar: before you try complex (and for large parts useless setups) probably start with a simple mirror or raid5 with mdadm and put LVM on the mv device |
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| 08:23.04 | sylar | bzed, did that done that |
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| 08:23.46 | k1ckn1ck | I have an RS482-M754 board running debian. If i flash bios to latest version, can it damage linux in anyway? |
| 08:24.20 | sylar | stenn, sdd4 really look weird |
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| 08:25.17 | sylar | stenn, I tried to make sdd2 with gparted, and when it finnished it had some space left in the middle |
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| 08:25.32 | stenn | sylar: I don't have enough experience with LVM to say for sure, but out of order partitions might cause it to choke. |
| 08:25.42 | sylar | stenn, when I tried to use 50MB |
| 08:25.56 | bzed | sylar: btw how do you want to know that data in the middle of your available space is in the middle of the physical disk, too? |
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| 08:26.29 | bzed | sylar: depending on the design of your hdd it may be on the outer border of one of the disks inside |
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| 08:27.23 | bzed | sylar: what you're doing does NOT make sense, and as you obviuosly don't know much about md and lvm, stick with a simple tutorial you can follow |
| 08:28.00 | sylar | bzed, I am doing standard stuff |
| 08:28.01 | PingFloyd | next time don't consult the bible for technical support |
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| 08:28.40 | PingFloyd | the middle is no more safe than anything else |
| 08:28.44 | sylar | bzed, and I may be wrong, but I am assuming one platter is on the disk |
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| 08:28.54 | PingFloyd | sylar: you are wrong |
| 08:29.02 | stenn | sylar: what bzed is saying, is that the multiple levels of abstraction between the OS and the physical blocks on the hard drive make it just about impossible to physically locate your data to a particular block like you used to be able to. |
| 08:29.03 | bzed | sylar: open it and have a look ... |
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| 08:29.49 | bzed | sylar: and no, you're not doing standard stuff |
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| 08:30.16 | PingFloyd | sylar: it is pointless |
| 08:30.20 | bzed | sylar: your partitioning idea is completely useless. |
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| 08:31.06 | sylar | bzed, stenn , PingFloyd it is enough to partition the disk to 3 and do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1,2,3 bs=100000000 count=100 to see that |
| 08:31.28 | stenn | hey, so is a raid0 array made of six variously sized sticks of usb flash... everyone has their kink ;-) |
| 08:31.37 | bzed | sylar: to see what? |
| 08:31.42 | PingFloyd | sylar: what is the point in that? |
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| 08:32.28 | PingFloyd | sylar: has the BOFH from work been filling your head with silly ideas? |
| 08:32.50 | stenn | sylar: remember that you have data on *both* sides of the platters...so for a two platter disk, you have four "middle of disk" areas |
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| 08:33.40 | PingFloyd | stenn: the heads move together along the platter, aka cyclinder, but it is beside the point |
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| 08:33.49 | bzed | not to forget that the outer areas should be more safe (if I would follow sylar's idea... what I'm not doing) as the heads need less movements for the same amount of data than in the middle |
| 08:33.54 | Janhouse | This is ubuntu shutdown menu: http://images.howtoforge.com/images/wubi_ubuntu_on_windows/big/25.jpg |
| 08:34.01 | stenn | PingFloyd: you'd be amazed how much there is on the 'net... I read something this week about partitioning off the first few hundred megs of your hard drive, to increase access speed ;-) (I don't know why people worry about these things either...) |
| 08:34.03 | Janhouse | This is Debian: http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1326/shutdownmenu.jpg |
| 08:34.16 | Janhouse | How can make debian dhutdown menu look like ubuntu's menu? |
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| 08:34.30 | PingFloyd | sylar: this guide is a better idea http://www.datadocktorn.nu/us_frag1.php |
| 08:34.53 | PingFloyd | stenn: actually I wouldn't be surprised, but I know what you mean |
| 08:35.05 | PingFloyd | stenn: the net is misnomer city |
| 08:35.45 | PingFloyd | stenn: littered with tutorials and how-tos written by witch doctors |
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| 08:35.53 | stenn | PingFloyd: yup. Hahaha. Thanks for that link, btw ;-) |
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| 08:37.56 | PingFloyd | wow, just found another use for svinto |
| 08:38.18 | PingFloyd | just when you think you thought of all the uses for this miracle product |
| 08:38.53 | stenn | bzed: PingFloyd: what do you feel is the best software strategy for dealing with silent corruption in very large disks? Is there anything better than raid 1, 01? rsnapshots of /whatever dir, on a drive that's only mounted for the time it takes to make these snapshots seems like it might work... |
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| 08:39.25 | PingFloyd | stenn: keep good backups and good backup strategy |
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| 08:39.57 | ethanol | backups are for the weak |
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| 08:40.16 | ethanol | if the failboat sinks, just build a new one! |
| 08:40.36 | Gun_Smoke | I like that idea |
| 08:40.40 | PingFloyd | ethanol: and redo your projects too |
| 08:40.50 | ethanol | yeah, definitely |
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| 08:41.09 | ethanol | beats having a multitude of failboats floating around |
| 08:41.10 | ethanol | ): |
| 08:41.21 | Gun_Smoke | if it ain't backed up it might as well be a /tmp file |
| 08:41.30 | PingFloyd | I lost the cure to swine flu last week thanks to an HD crash |
| 08:41.33 | ethanol | no, that analogy sucks man. |
| 08:41.47 | Gun_Smoke | mine? |
| 08:41.50 | ethanol | yes yours. |
| 08:41.55 | sylar | PingFloyd, lol |
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| 08:42.11 | Gun_Smoke | you have a 100% chance of losing your data if you don't back it up given enough time. |
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| 08:42.48 | rudiculous | Hello, I'm having problems with cdparanoia being unable to recognize my CD-ROM drive. I am running Debian Stable (Lenny), sytem is fully updated, cdparanoia III release 10.2. The CD-ROM drive is listed under /dev/hda. |
| 08:42.51 | PingFloyd | oh well, a little diarhea and fever never hurt anyone |
| 08:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gun_Smoke, that doesn't matter because of your 100% chance to die given enough time |
| 08:43.15 | Gun_Smoke | yup |
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| 08:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's even a 100% chance that your backup will fail as well as the data, given enough time |
| 08:43.47 | simonrvn | PingFloyd: tell that to people dying of malaria. |
| 08:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said _a little_ |
| 08:44.08 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 08:44.10 | stenn | so everyone here can survive the complete, silent failure of one hard drive? |
| 08:44.20 | ethanol | Gun_Smoke: I imagine it's more like 50%. |
| 08:44.35 | creature_ | hard disk failure is a myth |
| 08:44.37 | jelly | stenn: depends on which drive it is. |
| 08:44.50 | stenn | creature_: uhuh... |
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| 08:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | stenn, if it's not the harddrive which is in the life-supporting machinery which forces your lungs to breathe and your heart to beat... guess so? |
| 08:46.12 | Gun_Smoke | ethanol, how? |
| 08:47.23 | Gun_Smoke | your disk will die, and then add up the chances of lost, corrupt, deleted.......... |
| 08:47.31 | stenn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but it's really sad when, for example, the three backup copies of one's first serious animation project rot (DVD-Rs rot too...somehow) and a power failure somehow corrupted the two copies on the disk, |
| 08:48.07 | PingFloyd | simonrvn: I see that facetiousness is lost on you |
| 08:48.13 | stenn | and one's best friend deleted the copy on his computer to free up a few gigs... |
| 08:48.22 | creature_ | !directfb |
| 08:48.22 | dpkg | somebody said directfb was at http://www.directfb.org |
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| 08:48.24 | stenn | and in the end -- There's NOTHING |
| 08:48.38 | SparFux | Hello all. Anybody successfully using dahdi on debian unstable? |
| 08:48.45 | stenn | I'd like to avoid that in the future |
| 08:48.55 | simonrvn | if a dvd or cd or any other thing like that didn't rot within 10 years instead of 100 they wouldn't be making so much cash, now would they? </OT> |
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| 08:49.00 | jelly | stenn: backups need to be checked/verified every now and then; unfortunately dvd don't seems to be good archival media |
| 08:49.13 | PingFloyd | simonrvn: besides, that's what they get for not using a good brand of mosquito repellent such as Deep Woods Off |
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| 08:49.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:49.41 | jelly | stenn: how much is your data worth? You could invest in a tape drive with a decent technology |
| 08:49.47 | stenn | jelly: indeed. I thought I'd reburn every two years, but they died a little after a year and a half |
| 08:49.53 | simonrvn | shuts up instead of saying what's on the edge of his tongue |
| 08:49.55 | PingFloyd | simonrvn: next time they'll think twice before using bargain brand |
| 08:50.11 | simonrvn | PingFloyd: don't. |
| 08:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | your tongue has edges? |
| 08:50.26 | stenn | jelly: like an lto? (they seem better than lvm, from what i can tell -- especially for the price) |
| 08:50.43 | Gun_Smoke | stenn, I'd go with a thumb drive for very important files |
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| 08:50.50 | jelly | stenn: lto is nice, yeah |
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| 08:51.14 | Gun_Smoke | encrypt one and send it back to mom, one to a aunt in Cali.. |
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| 08:52.01 | th1 | Is it possible to have NFS server map uid's/gid's differently for a specific client? I have one box that has very different uids and gids but does have some of the same users. what should I do? |
| 08:52.06 | jelly | stenn: they advertise archival time of 30 years or so under proper storage conditions; our earliest LTO2 tapes are 5 years old and readable in 98% of cases |
| 08:52.19 | Selveste1 | Morning :) |
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| 08:54.13 | stenn | Gun_Smoke: Jelly: lto1 vs usb flash Of course, lto1 is cheaper for larger files (in the long run). But which is more reliable 5 years down the line. I'm leaning towards LTO. |
| 08:55.11 | jelly | stenn: I wouldn't seriously consider flash at all, the technology is too new |
| 08:55.16 | stenn | jelly: do you think those 2% of cases could be remedied with some of those par-files 'oft found on usenet? (or some othe rkind of parity) |
| 08:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | th1, adjust your uid's on that one server? |
| 08:55.42 | jelly | stenn: the usual way is keeping a second copy of each tape |
| 08:56.05 | Gun_Smoke | stenn, pft.. I' have thumbs from 5 years ago that I can't manage to lose still working like a champ. |
| 08:56.09 | stenn | jelly: that's been my concern. I'm actually trying to avoid the whole "perpendicular" hard drives for as long as I can... (but probably not that much longer) |
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| 08:56.53 | jelly | stenn: eh, perpendicular drives are good as long as you expect failure and use something like raid6 |
| 08:57.55 | aprendiz001 | I receive several mails from different servers domains(gmail,hotmail,yahoo) but in the header appear that all of them were received from alpha2.netzpiloten.de |
| 08:57.57 | th1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I can't really do that because it's in turn synchronized with ids of an external server :/ |
| 08:58.04 | th1 | can I use rpc.idmapd? |
| 08:58.10 | stenn | jelly: ahh. Brilliant. Do you think those "barely used" LTO tapes on ebay are shady/risky? Wow, raid6. Does it have better parity/error correction than raid1 (I've been reading up on raid for a few weeks now, but I couldn't find an answer to this question) |
| 08:58.13 | aprendiz001 | that is very strange |
| 08:58.19 | jelly | stenn: I had a 500GB backup disk at home, after it (naturally) died, it was replaced with 2x1TB drives, different vendors; now I hope they won't die at the same time ;-) |
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| 08:58.27 | aprendiz001 | anyone has an idea what means that? |
| 08:58.41 | octane- | stenn: raid1 has no error correction. |
| 08:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | (afaik it's not possible - only root is remapped) |
| 08:59.09 | stenn | Gun_Smoke: my thumb drive just happened to corrupt yet another backup of that animation I had...it works fine now though, but I'll never trust it again |
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| 08:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and that's serverside) |
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| 08:59.38 | jelly | stenn: usb connectivity can introduce errors even if the drive itself is allright |
| 08:59.47 | stenn | jelly: ohhhh |
| 08:59.53 | Gun_Smoke | stenn, buy a better one? what FS did you have on it? |
| 09:00.03 | th1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I can change anything on either client or server except the actual uid/gids |
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| 09:00.17 | th1 | CutMeOwnThroat, is there another fs I can use? |
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| 09:00.47 | stenn | Gun_Smoke: ext2, and I always synced it manually before and after unmounting (unecessary and paranoid, but it had that special data on it...) |
| 09:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | th1, how about sshfs on a per-user basis? |
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| 09:01.04 | jelly | stenn: well. For archival purposes I'd go with shrinkwrapped media. For daily backups you could try being a bit cheaper. |
| 09:01.24 | stenn | octane-: does raid6 have error correction? |
| 09:01.43 | jelly | stenn: IME LTO1 and 2 usually exhibit errors right away on the first or second overwrite. |
| 09:01.56 | octane- | stenn: yes. |
| 09:02.45 | jelly | stenn: also, one nice thing with the standard is that media keeps track of the number of writes and overwrites, so you can actually see if the media has really been "barely used" |
| 09:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | some login-script could mount home or whatever for that individual user... |
| 09:03.19 | Gun_Smoke | stenn, maybe that should tell you something? |
| 09:03.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually something you can leave to them :) |
| 09:03.41 | th1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I really just want some shared directories to be available to all users. it's not like a 1 user<>1 dir mapping |
| 09:03.42 | JJOliver | If I set up a domain network with lenny server, can I have it set so the domain login also logs into radius authentication ? |
| 09:04.08 | th1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess I could use Samba and smbfs but it seems to me quite awkward to use that on linux-linux networking |
| 09:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I think samba has better performance than nfs |
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| 09:04.44 | th1 | well in that case I will try Samba :) |
| 09:04.49 | th1 | at least it can do all the mapping I need |
| 09:04.54 | octane- | CutMeOwnThroat: can you back that claim up? |
| 09:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | octane-, I can back up the claim that I think that it is so |
| 09:05.14 | Selveste1 | th1: Way not NFS with LDAP auth and automount then = |
| 09:05.31 | octane- | CutMeOwnThroat: good for you :) |
| 09:05.33 | stenn | jelly: ahh, so so long as one buys with a not DOA waranty, it's probably ok |
| 09:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | octane-, I just thought 5 seconds ago that I faintly remembered that... so... yes, I did think it |
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| 09:06.21 | jelly | stenn: personally I wouldn't play that game; new media is affordable enough |
| 09:06.39 | jelly | it's the drive that's most expensive bit |
| 09:07.10 | Selveste1 | CutMeOwnThroat: NFS is mutch better proformance then Samba, when I stream Hi-Def movies from my server over samba I can only se 720p on 1gb lan, but over NFS on same computer it can 1080p over 1gb lan :P |
| 09:07.10 | stenn | octane-: hmm, this might be the raid level I'm looking for. Thanks! I'll read up on it. |
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| 09:07.28 | octane- | stenn: just calculate the savings on tapes to the loss you have when one of them fails. |
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| 09:08.03 | monzie | hello |
| 09:08.12 | octane- | stenn: done right, this will answer whether it is feasible for your case to buy 'slightly used' tapes. |
| 09:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | octane-, In reality, however, it's much less useful to compare their speeds. Depending entirely on whose version of NFS you have and how well it's tuned, Samba can be slower or faster than NFS. We usually find that Samba is faster, but watch out; NFS uses a different algorithm from Samba, so tuning options that are optimal for NFS may be detrimental for Samba. (oreilly.com/ using samba) |
| 09:08.41 | stenn | jelly: yeah, I've heard that certified refurbished lto1 drives were a pretty safe buy, and are far more reliable than a new DAT drive |
| 09:08.57 | monzie | I am not able to get compiz running on lenny |
| 09:09.03 | monzie | i've an intel gma x3100 card. |
| 09:09.05 | monzie | this is what i get |
| 09:09.07 | monzie | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 09:09.07 | monzie | Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found |
| 09:09.07 | monzie | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
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| 09:09.11 | jelly | stenn: heh, you'll be getting the drives that died at our place ;-) |
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| 09:09.27 | stenn | octane-: very true, the loss is great...for failed tapes even |
| 09:09.33 | JJOliver | monzie: can i suggest you use pastebin. |
| 09:09.52 | octane- | monzie: please read the topic before anything. |
| 09:10.05 | stenn | jelly: ;-) so that's how it works. shit |
| 09:10.08 | monzie | JJOliver: http://pastebin.com/m254deb05 |
| 09:10.16 | monzie | ^^ is the output of my glxinfo |
| 09:10.31 | monzie | and compiz says Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found |
| 09:10.34 | JJOliver | monzie: don't ask me, i'm a nOObIE |
| 09:10.38 | monzie | anyone care to help? |
| 09:10.46 | jelly | stenn: tip: to maximize the drive lifetime, make sure you always stream the data to it at nominal bandwidth (something like 15MB/s for LTO1, or better) |
| 09:10.49 | octane- | monzie: quit abusing your enter key. |
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| 09:11.14 | monzie | octane-: ?? |
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| 09:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | octane-, I get the impression the error bar is much bigger than the actual difference between nfs and samba |
| 09:11.35 | Selveste1 | monzie: ofc we will help, but not all of us have tryed Compiz :P |
| 09:11.39 | jelly | stenn: well, I'd think they probably replace the rubbery bits and recalibrate them, run some tests and call it refurbished |
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| 09:11.59 | octane- | monzie: it is considered unnecessary flooding to |
| 09:12.00 | monzie | Selveste1: ok |
| 09:12.01 | octane- | write lik |
| 09:12.02 | octane- | you know |
| 09:12.05 | octane- | this, right? |
| 09:12.09 | monzie | octane-: ok |
| 09:12.33 | monzie | i need help with debian, how do i get it? |
| 09:12.44 | stenn | jelly: that's what I figured. The heads are probably ok...LTO refuses to run when the heads get dirty, right? |
| 09:12.53 | sts | hello folks. i'm receiving the following error on an lenny amd64 system. anybody knows what this could be about? BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s! [nfsd:4400] |
| 09:13.06 | JJOliver | monzie: your in the right place . . . |
| 09:13.14 | octane- | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno, using samba for kludges (or a few windows (this is a mac/linux shop)) only. |
| 09:13.14 | monzie | JJOliver: ok |
| 09:13.26 | octane- | CutMeOwnThroat: nfs/afs mostly here :) |
| 09:13.32 | bthomson | i moved from ubuntu->debian today :) |
| 09:13.33 | Selveste1 | monzie: Staying in this channel - after some time sombody know what you have to do :) |
| 09:13.46 | monzie | Selveste1: ok |
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| 09:14.09 | monzie | i recall being able to enable desktop effects in Ubuntu, maybe lenny uses an older driver/ older version of compiz? |
| 09:14.10 | stenn | jelly: say, I've been reading a lot about how star's fifo makes it faster/more reliable than gnu tar, and my subjective tests seem to confirm this...did find that any particular piece of software helped insure tape streaming? (seems like it would be tricky for the new lto tapes) |
| 09:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 09:14.31 | stenn | jelly s/lto tapes/lto models/ |
| 09:14.35 | jelly | stenn: I think so, but I mostly cleaned it preemptively when errors occured; when it actually asked to be cleaned, the software took care of that automatically |
| 09:15.14 | octane- | monzie: that assertion is true for almost any question regarding debian<->ubuntu. |
| 09:15.18 | JJOliver | monzie: I have unanswered questions from 11:37, different question 12:12 and different question again 13:03. All awaiting answers. |
| 09:15.26 | jelly | stenn: ours have been driven by commercial backup software, sorry |
| 09:15.38 | monzie | octane-: ok |
| 09:15.39 | Selveste1 | tell monzie about compiz |
| 09:16.09 | jelly | stenn: make sure your block size is large enough, whatever you use (64KB is probably ok for LTO1) |
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| 09:17.14 | stenn | jelly: no worries ;-) Wow, LTO have variable block size. (I tried travan, years ago...but, well...they suck, you know? And have all kinds of weird stretched tape errors) |
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| 09:17.48 | sylar | stenn, so were were we? |
| 09:17.59 | sylar | stenn, disk alignment? |
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| 09:18.21 | stenn | sylar: yeah, did you fix that out-of-order partition? |
| 09:18.25 | Selveste1 | !tell monzie about compiz |
| 09:18.30 | sylar | stenn, /dev/sdd4 32766 32766 4414+ 83 Linux |
| 09:18.57 | sylar | what does it mean ? |
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| 09:19.25 | sylar | it start and end in the same cylinder? |
| 09:19.44 | RichiH | how does qmail determine which MX to relay mail to? |
| 09:19.50 | RichiH | i have a target host with MX 10 foo, MX 20 bar, MX 30 quux |
| 09:19.54 | sylar | and 4414+ ? |
| 09:19.57 | jelly | stenn: if you're dumping large files from idle ATA disks, you'll probably be ok wrt bandwidth, most disks do upwards of 50MB/s which is plenty for LTO1, even enough for LTO2 too |
| 09:19.57 | sylar | blocks |
| 09:19.57 | RichiH | our logs show that qmail tried to relay via foo, only |
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| 09:20.05 | sylar | what is the "+" ? |
| 09:20.13 | PointMan | "SATA RAID is only supported for the architectures i386 and amd64." does that mean it doesnt work with ia64? intel 64bit? |
| 09:20.26 | PointMan | thats from the debian wiki btw |
| 09:20.27 | octane- | RichiH: of course, foo has highest priority |
| 09:20.28 | jelly | PointMan: intel 64bit is "amd64", too. |
| 09:20.49 | jelly | PointMan: ia64 is Itanium, an incompatible server architecture |
| 09:21.09 | PointMan | jelly: so what would be best to install on a quad core Xeon server? |
| 09:21.13 | RichiH | octane-: yes, but it should try bar and quux when it can't connect to 10 |
| 09:21.17 | RichiH | 10 being foo |
| 09:21.19 | jelly | PointMan: amd64 |
| 09:21.21 | octane- | RichiH: yes, it should |
| 09:21.24 | PointMan | jelly: k thanks |
| 09:21.33 | RichiH | octane-: yet, it does not |
| 09:21.36 | RichiH | and that is my problem |
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| 09:21.45 | jelly | PointMan: and use linux softraid (md raid) instead of motherboard sata raid |
| 09:21.49 | octane- | RichiH: you didn't say that before. (foo being unavailable) |
| 09:22.08 | RichiH | ah, true |
| 09:22.18 | stenn | jelly: Mm, LTO2 looks like it might be the sweet spot for me.. And with a bit of ram, one can buffer any small-file slowness out. Btw, thanks for sharing all your experience. I really appreciate it! ;-) |
| 09:22.20 | PointMan | jelly: Im planning on following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid is there any better avaible? I dont understand why you need to do the fake raid part |
| 09:22.23 | octane- | RichiH: no luck with me though, no qlue :) |
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| 09:22.49 | octane- | I'm a postfix guy :) |
| 09:22.52 | juanma | hi, is there any channel about creating debian packages? |
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| 09:23.20 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to ssh to my other pc and read my mails with icedove but i get "Error: no display specified" although I specified ssh -X. What may be wrong here ? |
| 09:23.24 | RichiH | juanma: here or #debian-devel on oftc |
| 09:23.27 | jelly | PointMan: that page also suggests "The general consensus is that using Linux software RAID is to be preferred over using this relatively cheap, and because of that possibly less reliable, software RAID offered by SATA disk controllers." |
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| 09:23.35 | RichiH | lord_rob: ssh -Y |
| 09:23.45 | juanma | RichiH, thanks |
| 09:23.52 | RichiH | np |
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| 09:24.12 | jelly | PointMan: so if it's a new installation, no preexisting data, you'd probably be better of with software raid |
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| 09:24.17 | Zitter | hi, echo $LANG displays "it_IT@euro". I would like to use something like it_IT@uero with utf-8. Does it exist? How to set an utf-8 charset? tia |
| 09:24.25 | juanma | I am creating one debian package and I want to force the config files to be replaced when updating the package, now it is asking if I want to keep the local version or i want to use the new package version |
| 09:24.25 | PointMan | jelly: yeah im gonna use softraid, im just looking for an easy way to install debian 5.0.1 onto raid1 (software) |
| 09:24.41 | hifi | Zitter: it_IT.UTF-8 |
| 09:24.55 | lord_rob | RichiH: same problem , -X -Y ? |
| 09:25.04 | stenn | octane: you should be able to google linux fdisk to find this, or in the manpage. Also, you can try switching modes in cfdisk to get another view into your partition layout |
| 09:25.08 | jelly | PointMan: well, that howto is about fakeraid, not soft raid |
| 09:25.15 | PointMan | hmm |
| 09:25.30 | jelly | PointMan: faq says http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AWilltheDebianInstallersupportcreatingandinstallingtosoftwareRAIDdevices.3F |
| 09:25.54 | HardDisk_WP | how do I build my own bluez-utils package with a specific configure option? |
| 09:25.54 | jelly | PointMan: so apparently the installer supports md raid (= software raid) natively |
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| 09:26.00 | hellues | hey |
| 09:26.13 | hellues | are there any program to work .dmg on debian |
| 09:26.21 | RichiH | lord_rob: no idea, then |
| 09:26.28 | PointMan | jelly: but how will I tell the installer to setup the two disks up as a raid 1? |
| 09:26.34 | lord_rob | ok thanks anyway RichiH |
| 09:26.38 | RichiH | sometimes, i hate qmail |
| 09:26.57 | jelly | PointMan: I presume the partitioning scheme will offer a way to do that. |
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| 09:27.26 | hellues | any responsse |
| 09:27.37 | jelly | PointMan: this has historically been done as lots of different raid1 devices for each partition |
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| 09:28.02 | PointMan | jelly: ok thanks. The delivery company is sticking it to me as they will deliver between 8am and 4 pm :p |
| 09:28.26 | octane- | stenn: what? :) |
| 09:28.53 | Selveste1 | monzie: any luck on http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz ? |
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| 09:29.36 | stenn | octane-: sorry! |
| 09:29.43 | stenn | sylar: you should be able to google linux fdisk to find this, or in the manpage. Also, you can try switching modes in cfdisk to get another view into your partition layout |
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| 09:30.39 | stenn | sigh |
| 09:30.51 | stenn | raid6 takes four disks... |
| 09:30.58 | monzie | Selveste1: nope |
| 09:31.03 | hellues | possible to run mac osx program on debian ? |
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| 09:31.43 | Selveste1 | hellues: don't know, but try mounting a DMG file and se if it runs ? |
| 09:32.09 | hellues | what does "mounting dmg file" mean |
| 09:32.21 | hellues | i dont understand |
| 09:32.31 | Selveste1 | mount -t fs *.dmg /media/temp -o loop maby ? |
| 09:32.53 | octane- | stenn: yes, at the very least. |
| 09:32.56 | Selveste1 | fs is the filesystem the DMG packeges is |
| 09:32.57 | jelly | hellues: let's be safe and assume the answer is "no" |
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| 09:33.58 | Selveste1 | hellues: but yes, as jelly says its safe to assume that it will not worke |
| 09:34.02 | octane- | stenn: it's all ybout how much physical storage capacity you throw in and how much you get back as usable ;) |
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| 09:35.03 | monzie | is there a way to install KDE 4.2 on lenny. I know I could build it on my own by my laptop is old and it will take ages to build |
| 09:35.20 | octane- | pfexec zpool list |
| 09:35.26 | octane- | tank 9T 520G 8.49T 5% ONLINE - |
| 09:35.29 | octane- | *eg* |
| 09:35.58 | jelly | octane-: can't have that zfs nonsense in here! |
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| 09:37.03 | stenn | octane-: well, I don't mind throwing a bunch of space at a raid 10, if it's only two drives (for now) Especially when the cost-per-spindle is the highest factor, and one can just buy tapes, or a tape drive instead of more disks... |
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| 09:37.28 | petemc | tapes are hella expensive |
| 09:37.33 | stenn | octane-: well, zfs does look neat, but I don't have hardware nearly powerful enough to run it well |
| 09:37.42 | sylar | stenn, which unit determine alignment? |
| 09:38.32 | jelly | petemc: nah, just the drives are |
| 09:38.51 | petemc | jelly: no, the tapes are too |
| 09:38.58 | octane- | jelly: :o) |
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| 09:40.17 | petemc | jelly: compared to hard drives |
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| 09:40.54 | jelly | petemc: $25 for a LTO2 is quite affordable for a media that won't die after 5 years |
| 09:41.02 | jelly | medium* |
| 09:41.37 | stenn | sylar: petemc: 200Gb for $30 (lto2, price in CDN), 900Gb for $150 (lto3, price in CDN) |
| 09:41.44 | stenn | sylar: oops, that was for petemc |
| 09:42.18 | jelly | petemc: those hard drives need to be put in a array to have a semblance of reliability. I'll keep my archival copies on tapes. |
| 09:42.30 | stenn | sylar: physical to logical alignment isn't something you can figure out easily anymore. What I was looking at is the misaligned fourth partition. (the last partition is in the middle of your disk) |
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| 09:44.00 | jelly | stenn: also, depending on your data profile, you may get to 1:3 compression on the media. A single LTO2 tape routinely takes 500-600GB of Oracle dumps here. |
| 09:44.38 | jelly | stenn: course if you're backing up mpegs, you'll get the native 180-200GB |
| 09:44.43 | petemc | jelly: i do most of my backups to hard drives now (not in an array, but with lots of duplicates). the only reason is see for using expensive tapes now is offsite |
| 09:44.53 | petemc | s/is/i/ |
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| 09:46.04 | stenn | jelly: wow, 1:3 is really, really good. Oh yeah, that $150 was for five new tapes (on ebay) |
| 09:46.27 | jelly | petemc: makes sense for a relatively small amount of data |
| 09:46.41 | jelly | in low TB |
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| 09:47.00 | jelly | juggling hundreds of sata disks would be less than fun |
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| 09:47.26 | petemc | google seem to manage ok |
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| 09:48.14 | sylar | stenn, the last partition is in the middle of the disk because I have created it last, so I guess that is the order it was inserted to the mbr |
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| 09:48.30 | hellues | stupid debian |
| 09:48.34 | stenn | sylar: exactly |
| 09:48.37 | jelly | petemc: they have tens of thousands, and juggle whole machines rather than disks |
| 09:48.47 | petemc | yes |
| 09:49.07 | sylar | stenn, but that doesn't say anything about its alignment, and it is not used anyway |
| 09:49.29 | Selveste1 | hellues: Y ? |
| 09:49.31 | carl_ | hi, i just realised that i, by misstake, installed the 32 bit version and not the 64. Is the recommended way to change this to do a --get-selection, then reinstall the system via the dvd and then --set-selections? i am running sid if that matters? |
| 09:49.41 | stenn | sylar: no usually no, but I suspect it might confuse lvm |
| 09:49.55 | jelly | Selveste1: it can't run OSX binaries! |
| 09:50.25 | sylar | stenn, idk |
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| 09:50.51 | Selveste1 | jelly: thats not deb fault :P thats MAC OS X just release there code and deb will support in no time :P |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | Selveste1: some users have high expectations. |
| 09:51.24 | Selveste1 | jelly: true :P |
| 09:51.44 | jelly | Selveste1: and the code for running those binary formats is already open. |
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| 09:52.06 | stenn | jelly: from my research, HPs and IBMs seem to have the edge over Quantums (at least for LTO1 and 2)...what has your experience been with various LTO manufacturers? (oh yeah, and then there's Tandberg..) |
| 09:52.30 | jelly | stenn: only had experience with HP LTO1 and HP LTO2 so far |
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| 09:53.23 | mischief | can anyone tell me how to reload my limits.conf for PAM? |
| 09:53.32 | stenn | jelly: the HPs strike me as the slickest, for some reason. Oh yeah! Full-height tend to be faster and more reliable than half-height, yes? |
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| 09:56.21 | jelly | stenn: afaict half height devices are intentionally crippled, consumer based |
| 09:56.53 | jelly | stenn: but I haven't actually touched any, just looked at the specs |
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| 09:59.04 | stenn | jelly: same here, and a few newsgroup posts. I think you're right about them being consumer-grade. And these days, workstations tend to be backed up over the network, so no need for local tape. |
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| 09:59.39 | bawok | i install webmin on debian but why i can`t open , says time out i open on browser |
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| 10:00.12 | jelly | mischief: next login will use newer values |
| 10:00.26 | jelly | mischief: the files are read every time |
| 10:01.22 | mischief | oh |
| 10:01.24 | mischief | :x okay |
| 10:01.28 | Janhouse | How can I enable soun themes in debian? |
| 10:01.30 | stenn | sylar: the first thing I'd try is re-creating your partition table, creating your partitions in the order of their blocks (so sdd4 would be sdd2, iirc), and then see how things work. And if that doesn't work, you should consider giving the whole drive to LVM, and then creating a logical volume group -- a partition -- in the middle of your sdd |
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| 10:01.47 | mischief | jelly, do you know where i cna read about securing my system, if other users are going to be using the system? |
| 10:01.55 | Janhouse | Sounds tab in sound preferences is disabled |
| 10:02.08 | Janhouse | Do I have to install something to enable it? |
| 10:02.24 | bawok | i install webmin on debian but why i can`t open , says time out i open on browser |
| 10:02.32 | jelly | mischief: nope, sorry |
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| 10:05.21 | stenn | mischief: I've heard that apparmour, selinux, and clever use of ACLs can be used to harden a system (it might be overkill) Google "hardening linux" hits 1, 4, and 5 look useful |
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| 10:06.14 | mischief | hmm, k |
| 10:06.58 | stenn | michief: you will, of course, want to restrict user access to various programs like netcat, gcc (unless they need it), etc. I forget how, but |
| 10:07.54 | stenn | mischief: but there's a way to make it impossible to execute programs in /tmp and $HOME, to make downloaded programs much, much harder to run |
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| 10:08.41 | mischief | what is the danger of allowing something like netcat? |
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| 10:09.11 | mischief | stenn, well, i suppose someone could download/transfer a binary with it |
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| 10:09.24 | stenn | mischief: and you can change their shell in /etc/passwd (I have a few users who can't use bash, perl, python, etc.) |
| 10:09.34 | steve_j | morning all - anyone here running mod_rails/Passenger on Lenny? |
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| 10:09.47 | mischief | stenn, well, how could i restrict access like that? |
| 10:10.06 | mischief | stenn, wouldn't i need to add users to a particular group when i create them and then restrict the group? |
| 10:10.17 | nkuttler | steve_j: passenger, but i don't use debian ruby packages |
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| 10:12.25 | stenn | mischief: these days there are a tonne of different ways. It really depends on how many users you have |
| 10:12.27 | steve_j | nkuttler ah, ok. a colleague upgraded to lenny last night and now my rails apps are deaded :( |
| 10:12.41 | stenn | mischief: and how many your somewhat trust |
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| 10:13.03 | mischief | stenn, well, i'd really like to know how to control ALL of that |
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| 10:13.28 | mischief | stenn, eventually i want to set up a public access machine with possibly paid-for access |
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| 10:14.17 | bawok | how to install webmin? im try install webmin and rut it but i can`t connect always says connection timeout |
| 10:14.51 | stenn | well, here's a long link. Everyone who cares can weigh in with their opinion |
| 10:14.54 | stenn | http://books.google.ca/books?id=PyqjvNNltqYC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=hardening+file+permissions&source=bl&ots=XClJczUCfQ&sig=tVMBLWRquP_O9_9Wzgvo1jDEe2I&hl=en&ei=vTUuStuDCZjItAPAyOywCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#PPP1,M1 |
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| 10:15.29 | stenn | mischief: if nothing else, read this on the web; you'll learn terminology that you can then research in more depth |
| 10:15.38 | stenn | using google, of course ;-) |
| 10:16.00 | JaSonGG | :o does Debian have it;s own task manager? and whats it called? thanks |
| 10:16.18 | lou_gr | Hi, I have a problem shutting down debian from the menu. The popup window freezes after selecting shut down or any button. Any suggestions? |
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| 10:16.44 | mischief | JaSonGG, top :p |
| 10:17.02 | mischief | JaSonGG, i use htop, it's top with some pretty colors and other features |
| 10:17.02 | stenn | well, I've got to get some sleep. |
| 10:17.07 | stenn | sylar, mischief: good luck |
| 10:17.08 | stenn | ! |
| 10:17.16 | mischief | alright, thank you stenn |
| 10:17.17 | JaSonGG | ya lou_gr for a short solution, press Alt + F1 log in and use shutdown command |
| 10:17.24 | stenn | jelly, octane-: thanks for the help and info! |
| 10:17.34 | JaSonGG | oic... mischief ... top... I will search for it |
| 10:18.32 | lou_gr | JaSonGG, ok with that, but then another problem appears. The portmap daemon takes too long to shut down. Basically this is my main problem. |
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| 10:18.58 | mischief | JaSonGG, it's probably on your system already. just execute 'top |
| 10:18.58 | mischief | ' |
| 10:18.59 | sepult | and my kdm won't start once stopped, it's a signal thingy |
| 10:19.24 | sepult | dbus won't respond or kdm won't receive the signal ... |
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| 10:20.18 | aprendiz001 | I have debian lenny and I had problems yesterday with my server, it was blocked, and the message in the log was TCP: Treason uncloaked! ... |
| 10:20.46 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.50 | aprendiz001 | I have read in internet that is an attack |
| 10:20.55 | hellues | i installed firefox from source |
| 10:20.57 | aprendiz001 | any idea to solve that |
| 10:20.58 | aprendiz001 | ? |
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| 10:21.09 | hellues | it gives /firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjemalloc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:21.12 | octane- | aprendiz001: please do not abuse your enter key. and no, it is not. |
| 10:21.14 | hellues | wwhat can i do |
| 10:21.20 | JaSonGG | oh top... it works, thanks mischief |
| 10:21.39 | mischief | JaSonGG, you're welcome. like i said, try out htop :) |
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| 10:22.10 | JaSonGG | by the way mischief u know a software to monitor internet traffics? like to see each ports? |
| 10:22.33 | jelly | aprendiz001: that message can largerly be ignored. While it may happen more often when your system has an elevated number of connections, it's not a definite symptom of any sort of attack. |
| 10:23.19 | mischief | JaSonGG, netstat |
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| 10:23.22 | aprendiz001 | jelly, ok but the server was dead yesterday and in the prompt only appear that |
| 10:23.53 | aprendiz001 | is it possible that a high numer of connections leave the server blocked? |
| 10:23.57 | hellues | help |
| 10:23.58 | _Brandon__ | is there a way to show the build dependency of a package, something like apt-get build-dep but just showing them |
| 10:24.20 | octane- | aprendiz001: whatever the reason was, the message you quoted is largely unrelated to that. |
| 10:24.22 | hellues | aptitude search libjemalloc gave no result |
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| 10:24.29 | hellues | but i took error |
| 10:24.42 | hellues | i am not able to start app because of this lib |
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| 10:25.14 | aprendiz001 | octane-, ok, it was the last in the prompt, so I though it was related |
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| 10:26.43 | octane- | aprendiz001: if you were the victim of say a ddos attack this message may be related to one of the participants haveing a broken tcp/ip stack, but that's about it you can create as relation :) |
| 10:28.14 | aprendiz001 | then, I don't know the problem :( |
| 10:28.21 | JaSonGG | mischief, ya i know about netstat what about something a bit more gui :D ? |
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| 10:28.56 | mischief | JaSonGG, why do you need a GUI..? |
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| 10:29.47 | JaSonGG | I don't, but since you said something about GUI the top.. so I wonder if there's a GUI netstat |
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| 10:30.17 | Majkl578 | hi folks |
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| 10:30.55 | mischief | JaSonGG, there are plenty of useful command-line tools |
| 10:31.27 | Majkl578 | can anybody explain me what portmap does and why does not want to quit while shutdown? [using IPtables (INPUT DROP, allowed 80 only)] |
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| 10:31.47 | JaSonGG | and just type netstat doesn;t seems to display the process clearly |
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| 10:35.46 | octane- | JaSonGG: man netstat |
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| 10:36.49 | Majkl578 | bump |
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| 10:37.11 | JaSonGG | ya netstat |
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| 10:39.22 | octane- | Majkl578: this isn't a forum. |
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| 10:40.37 | Aberration2 | HI all! |
| 10:41.01 | Aberration2 | Is there anyone here that can help me to install a real-time kernel? |
| 10:41.13 | Aberration2 | I try several things with no effects |
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| 10:44.46 | nkuttler | Aberration2: what do you mean? |
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| 10:47.50 | lou_gr | So, has anyone any ideas why the portmap daemon on my laptop takes so long to stop at shut down? |
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| 10:48.26 | mamalujo | hi! Im using xmonad, and would want to migrate to a new version of haskell compiler, 6.10. Last time I tried that, month or two ago, had some |
| 10:48.31 | mamalujo | dependency issues. I think some of the xmonad extensions have some bizzare dependencies, like ghc >=6.8.2 AND ghc<6.8.2 , cant recall if this was the issue but some such funny stuff was broken in unstable i believe.. How would I go about checking if I'd run into such problems before actually ordering the upgrade? |
| 10:50.20 | liable | mamalujo: just running the upgrade, if its broken, apt will tell you whats broken and offer to abort |
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| 10:51.20 | mazzanet | ok i think i broke something |
| 10:51.23 | mazzanet | open: 76; closed: 3177; defer: 975; conflict: 10 |
| 10:51.35 | mazzanet | and *lots* of Resolving dependencies... lines |
| 10:51.40 | mazzanet | and never actually stops |
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| 10:53.08 | saulus | Im running Debian Lenny and lots of vservers using exim4. I want ALL mails delivered to one host. Even mails@localhost should be forwarded. How do I gain this? |
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| 10:53.26 | aprendiz001 | octane-, how can I know what broke my server? in syslog only appear the "error" I told before, that was in the same moment that the server crashed |
| 10:53.58 | Aberration2 | nkuttler : I mean a real time kernel... you don't know what it is? |
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| 10:56.01 | nkuttler | Aberration2: define help |
| 10:56.12 | mamalujo | liable, k, thx, says there are no problems |
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| 10:57.36 | Aberration2 | nkuttler : I mean that I don't find no kernels... |
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| 10:58.47 | PointMan | I want to follow a tutorial on how to install xen on lenny: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-xen-on-debian-lenny-amd64 it says to do a apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64, but how do I check that there isnt a newer kernel availible for lenny? |
| 10:59.14 | petemc | apt-cache search |
| 10:59.28 | PointMan | thanks |
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| 11:11.16 | mamalujo | but, if I use the tar of the haskell platform, some individual components of which are separately packaged for debian, does this means I will mostly/completely need to abandon using debian packages for haskell stuff? Because, debian packages would insist installing those tools available in repos to satisft dependencies, even though I have them as part of the platform tar |
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| 11:13.53 | mischief | mamalujo, you can force things |
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| 11:14.36 | mamalujo | ah, good point |
| 11:15.12 | omid8bimo | i've shared a printer on my linux machine by cups/samba for a win machine. winXP machine found the linux shared printer and added it but when i try to open it, it says access denied! |
| 11:15.20 | Tapout | Know how, on the command line, you can ^w, and it will delete the last word? Well on one of my boxes, hitting ^w will delete the whole line. Anyone know why that is? |
| 11:15.25 | omid8bimo | what should i put in cups to enable access? |
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| 11:15.57 | Tapout | the strange part about it, it's only inside the mysql client.. but it doesn't behave like that on my other machines |
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| 11:16.44 | mamalujo | could I create a package of the platform via checkinstall and somehow explain while creating it that it satisfies dependencies for all of its components? |
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| 11:17.02 | nsadmin | omid8bimo: recently I needed to make my printer the cups default printer... even though it was the only printer, it was not the default... what I found was the cups docs were very good and you can and should check those out now |
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| 11:17.50 | nsadmin | be sure to stop and restart cups when you're done making changes |
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| 11:18.21 | omid8bimo | nagnag: okay i will read 'em |
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| 11:30.44 | janmejay | smbclient -B says DNS-SD browsing not supported on this platform(on lenny). ideas? |
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| 11:32.47 | kedare | hi all ;) |
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| 11:34.52 | kedare | i have a little problem, i created two virtual machines with debian (on XenServer), and i upgraded from etch to lenny (updating the repository), but i have some differences on the machines (except the role), on one, i have some stranges process launched, like kthread, events/0, watchdog/0, how can i delete them or add them to the other VM ? (i want identical VM), here is a screen : http://kedare.f |
| 11:34.54 | kedare | ree.fr/Dist/kthread.jpg |
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| 11:35.02 | kedare | woups, truncated ;p |
| 11:35.05 | kedare | http://kedare.free.fr/Dist/kthread.jpg |
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| 11:37.33 | abrotman | kedare: those are kernel processes |
| 11:37.54 | kedare | abrotman: how can i add them to the other VM ? |
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| 11:44.21 | omid8bimo | i could add the shared printer from linux machine on winXP machine but i get access denied error! can anyone tell me if it's samba issue or cups issue? |
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| 11:45.08 | giles_ | elo debianers |
| 11:45.31 | giles_ | is there a way to get grub to boot up with one kernel and if it panics on a reboot boot another one? |
| 11:45.37 | giles_ | like a 1 time option |
| 11:45.41 | giles_ | to test a new kernel |
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| 11:45.51 | abrotman | like the lilo -r or whatever it was ? |
| 11:46.09 | giles_ | well i am sure i've done this before.. |
| 11:46.25 | giles_ | we have dracs on most boxes now so it's not really an issue |
| 11:46.47 | giles_ | this box is grub though |
| 11:47.53 | giles_ | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html#Booting-once_002donly |
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| 11:54.48 | kedare | nobody know for me ? :( |
| 11:55.21 | IamSOG | ? |
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| 11:55.39 | IamSOG | what a u tolking about :o |
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| 11:56.20 | abrotman | kedare: those processes are normal |
| 11:56.23 | abrotman | !tell IamSOG about u |
| 11:56.39 | kedare | abrotman: but i want those processes on the other VM that don't have it |
| 11:56.50 | kedare | how can i do that ? |
| 11:56.52 | IamSOG | lol |
| 11:56.54 | abrotman | kedare: are the machines identical? |
| 11:57.00 | kedare | abrotman: yes |
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| 11:57.51 | abrotman | kedare: both running the .26 kernel? |
| 11:58.10 | kedare | yes |
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| 11:58.24 | kedare | it's the same system except one has postgresql and the other has apache |
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| 11:58.55 | abrotman | so if you `ps aux | grep "\0"` .. on both machines .. stuff is different? |
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| 12:00.37 | kedare | woops no ;) |
| 12:00.43 | kedare | i fount what was the problem.... ;) |
| 12:00.59 | kedare | i was using htop with "hide kernel threads" on one machine ;) |
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| 12:01.06 | kedare | thank you ;) |
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| 12:25.55 | brad | any tips on how to fix these errors ( http://pastebin.com/d47f5f04c ) when doing things such as installing packages. its a fresh install of lenny |
| 12:26.43 | nkuttler | brad: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:27.05 | brad | done that, no luck |
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| 12:27.31 | nkuttler | brad: you have to enable the correct locales of course, see the error |
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| 12:27.53 | brad | I enabled the en GB utf8 locale |
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| 12:28.14 | brad | would I need the US one too? |
| 12:28.18 | nkuttler | then it's something like default locale or your env, don't remember |
| 12:28.32 | nkuttler | LC_ALL = "en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 12:29.58 | brad | how do I set that to en_GB.UTF-8 ? |
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| 12:36.20 | marcooliva | Hello |
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| 12:43.31 | nkuttler | brad: i do it in by ~/.bashrc |
| 12:44.26 | WormFood | is there some newer repository (3rd party) that has updated packages (newer version) for the stable branch of debian? |
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| 12:45.44 | nkuttler | WormFood: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 12:46.31 | WormFood | I don't want to go backwards, I want to go forwards |
| 12:46.45 | WormFood | I want NEWER packages on stable (for one specific package) |
| 12:46.52 | brabo | nice one ^^ |
| 12:47.09 | nkuttler | WormFood: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 12:47.47 | brad | nkuttler: do I simply put LC_ALL = "en_GB.UTF-8" on a new line in .bashrc ? |
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| 12:47.59 | nkuttler | brad: export foo=bar |
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| 12:48.16 | brad | ahh, thanks nkuttler! |
| 12:48.35 | kanzure | hm. there's no #vtk? does anyone know what the typical file format is for time/series data for visualization of some simulation involving a delta time variable? |
| 12:48.48 | abrotman | ow |
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| 12:49.47 | kanzure | hm. maybe I want the traditional dot vtk file format. |
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| 12:51.01 | brad | nkuttler: that did it:) |
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| 12:52.45 | WormFood | thanks nkuttler...trying to find my package now |
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| 12:52.54 | marcooliva | I read that Debian packages of Linux-libre are avaiable for Lenny ( http://lwn.net/Articles/330425/ ). My question is: How compile linux-libre in Debian lenny ? |
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| 12:53.57 | petemc | marcooliva: the link you posted has links to deb packages |
| 12:54.49 | marcooliva | petemc: So i only go to sypnatic and seach for linux-libre.deb ? |
| 12:55.09 | marcooliva | :-s |
| 12:55.54 | petemc | if you have previously added the line to sources.list and ran aptitude update |
| 12:56.21 | kanzure | I guess there's pyvtk |
| 12:56.30 | kanzure | although maybe that's cheating |
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| 12:57.16 | WormFood | aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. <-- and for those of us who don't use aptitude, then would I be correct in assuming we can do the same thing with apt-get? |
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| 13:10.48 | henry-nicolas | Hi, I would like to know if there are any tools in debian to monitor Perc 5 RAID controller that we can found in PowerEdge server, any idea ? |
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| 13:14.37 | abrotman | henry-nicolas: i believe linux.dell.com has some tools |
| 13:14.48 | abrotman | i don't think they're in debian though |
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| 13:19.04 | qiyong | how do i install a pkg without installing its depends? |
| 13:19.30 | themill | !wayttd qiyong |
| 13:19.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, qiyong? |
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| 13:20.14 | qiyong | themill: libapache2-mod-passenger depends on mpm worker, but i don't like to use worker |
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| 13:20.41 | themill | that package isn't anywhere in debian. Where's it from? |
| 13:21.06 | abrotman | qiyong: and really, you odn't want tto |
| 13:21.37 | qiyong | how do i ignore depends? |
| 13:22.13 | themill | qiyong: you can't |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | qiyong: and really, you odn't want tto |
| 13:22.28 | x4d | Hi, I made a backup using rsync and at the end it told me that some files could not be copied, but it did not mention which ones. SInce it's around 400GB's I can't go through everything looking for what is missing. Is there a CLI tool to compare differences between two folders? or even counting the amount of files that they include would already be helpful. |
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| 13:22.41 | themill | qiyong: are you actually using ubuntu? |
| 13:22.57 | octane- | x4d: yeah, it's called rsync. |
| 13:23.34 | x4d | octane-: what options do I use so it tells me the differences ? |
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| 13:24.15 | octane- | x4d: i'm not going to read the manpage to you. |
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| 13:24.50 | x4d | octane-: ok I'll check it, thanks. |
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| 13:25.51 | pythos | mornin! IM wondeiring why the netinst cd boots, and everything seems to go well until I reboot to the freshe system, when I get a kernel panic? I believe it is the wrong kernel... I have a pentium 2, but think I should use a 486 kernel. |
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| 13:26.52 | Phasy13 | nice computer, man... are you from africa or somethin' ? |
| 13:27.47 | avu | pythos, P2 should work with everything up to 586 IIRC |
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| 13:28.43 | pythos | I thought so too. the mere fact that the netinst kernel boots the box, and gets install done means SOMETHING, Im just not sure of what |
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| 13:29.51 | avu | the exact output regarding the panic might be helpful in combination with a trusty search engine? |
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| 13:30.34 | diffred | which basic multimedia packages should I install to watch avi, mpg,wmv, and play mp3? I've been googling but didn't got a simple list of 3-4 package names, anyone can help me? |
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| 13:31.17 | pythos | avu, its a register in the cpu. |
| 13:31.17 | avu | diffred, just install the players you want to use, they'll pull in everything else you need in most cases. but be sure to have dmm enabled |
| 13:31.20 | avu | !dmm |
| 13:31.20 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 13:31.45 | avu | pythos, any BUG lines? |
| 13:31.55 | diffred | avu, thanks,can you recommend me a player then? |
| 13:32.10 | pythos | let me grub it up |
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| 13:32.13 | enouf | p2 uses -686 |
| 13:32.21 | avu | diffred, I myself use mplayer for videos and mpd for music |
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| 13:32.51 | avu | diffred, other popular video choices include totem, kaffeine and vlc, popular music choices are amarok, audacious, rythmbox |
| 13:33.10 | pythos | unable to load system discriptor tables |
| 13:33.23 | pythos | machine check exception (00000000000x) |
| 13:33.34 | enouf | that's acpi related |
| 13:33.46 | avu | pythos, asked your search engine? |
| 13:33.49 | pythos | cpu 0 bank 4 7200000000001051 |
| 13:34.13 | pythos | avu, ummmmmmmm. |
| 13:34.18 | enouf | there are mce= and acpi= options you can pass to the kernel |
| 13:35.05 | avu | pythos, and, yeah, try the usual noacpi dance. and while you're at it, also try noapic |
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| 13:43.03 | ChrisW | hey all, if I get an eSATA PCI card, will I have any problems using it in Debian etch? |
| 13:43.14 | ChrisW | er, etch -> latest stable |
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| 13:43.54 | Phasy13 | you sure will |
| 13:44.04 | ChrisW | oh? how come? |
| 13:44.11 | Phasy13 | it's linux man |
| 13:44.18 | Phasy13 | you always have problems while using it |
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| 13:44.27 | pythos | avu, Im not up to speed on GRUB yet. Always used lilo, but now I got to learn how to get grup to let me pass paramaters |
| 13:44.59 | ChrisW | Phasy13: but you're not speaking from personal experience, right? |
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| 13:45.12 | Phasy13 | I am |
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| 13:45.28 | ChrisW | which PCI board did you try and what problems did you experience? |
| 13:45.31 | E-bola | How can you increase the sysv shm limit in debian and make it stick after reboots? |
| 13:45.35 | Phasy13 | I never ever had anything working in here from the first try |
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| 13:45.59 | Phasy13 | ChrisW i spent like, two years trying to figure out why my PCI sound card is craclking |
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| 13:46.09 | Phasy13 | crackling that wa |
| 13:46.10 | Phasy13 | was |
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| 13:46.13 | ChrisW | what does that have to do with eSata? |
| 13:46.28 | Phasy13 | nothing |
| 13:46.34 | Phasy13 | it's just an example |
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| 13:47.07 | ChrisW | right, so you're basically just talking rubbish without any actual knowledge about eSATA PCI card compatability with Debian? |
| 13:47.25 | Phasy13 | probably |
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| 13:48.04 | ChrisW | k, then kindly stfu |
| 13:48.12 | avu | ChrisW, if you have lspci output for the card, you can check |
| 13:48.14 | avu | !which driver |
| 13:48.14 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 13:48.21 | jelly | ChrisW: I have an sata-sil24 expresscard esata for the laptop and it pretty much works like any other sata controller |
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| 13:48.47 | ChrisW | I don't have a card at all yet, I'm getting creative on trying to solve another problem... |
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| 13:49.00 | ChrisW | I currently have an external hdd connected by usb |
| 13:49.04 | jelly | ChrisW: you might try stating your _actual_ problem then |
| 13:49.15 | ChrisW | the problem is that the bios hangs on boot if the usb drive is powered on while the machine comes up |
| 13:49.24 | ChrisW | so, nothing to do with debian |
| 13:49.54 | jelly | inserting a new sata controller might mess up your sata controller order (ie. the onboard one becoming second) |
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| 13:50.21 | ChrisW | however, in fiddling, I notice the usb disk actually has an eSATA connection on it, and given that eSATA is faster, newer, etc, I thought I might as well buy a pci card and use that, hopefully alleviating hte boot hang in the process ;-) |
| 13:50.46 | ChrisW | jelly: well, I can cure that with labels and/or udev rules, right? |
| 13:50.58 | ChrisW | (I'd prefer labels, since I know how they work :-) ) |
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| 13:51.17 | pythos | avu, both noapic and noapic and noacpi get a lot farther, but still hit cpu 0 bank 4 and kernel panic. I would like to see if a 486 kernel would work, but have not found the mechanism to tell it that in the base system stuff in the install |
| 13:52.09 | avu | pythos, not sure either, you probably need to either install in expert mode or use one of the shells to manually add the other kernel |
| 13:52.52 | pythos | avu, how about using the rescue feature, and getting the kernel off the netinst? |
| 13:53.16 | avu | pythos, sure, you can add it after the installation. I'm not sure if it's on the netinst CD though |
| 13:53.34 | pythos | netinst had to boot something... |
| 13:53.56 | avu | yes. but the kernel it booted doesn't have to be on there as a package |
| 13:54.09 | pythos | oh, right |
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| 13:55.08 | pythos | in fact IM sure it is NOT |
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| 13:55.34 | avu | pythos, I have a meeting in 5 minutes, sorry, good luck |
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| 13:56.21 | ChrisW | jelly: do you know if eSata is hot-pluggable like usb? |
| 13:56.40 | ChrisW | (ie: can I just yank the esata cable out once I've unmounted the fs, or would that be bad?) |
| 13:56.44 | jelly | ChrisW: it by specification is. |
| 13:56.50 | kroddnoMobil | Wie stell ich denn bei exim4 ein, dass er die Absenderdomäne auf gültigkeit prüft? |
| 13:57.23 | jelly | ChrisW: umounting is not enough, you also need to echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete |
| 13:57.42 | ChrisW | kroddnoMobil: try #debian.de |
| 13:57.46 | kroddnoMobil | sorry, wong lang |
| 13:57.47 | kroddnoMobil | Hi. How can i configure that exim4 denies emails from senders, which don't have a valid domain in their email address? |
| 13:58.02 | ChrisW | try #exim ;-) |
| 13:58.08 | kroddnoMobil | I do :-) |
| 13:58.16 | ChrisW | or use a real mta ;-) |
| 13:58.21 | petemc | eh? |
| 13:58.22 | ChrisW | *cough* postfix |
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| 13:58.34 | jelly | !postfix++ |
| 13:58.35 | octane- | ChrisW: that is opionated bullshit. quit it. |
| 13:58.49 | jelly | !start a mta war |
| 13:58.49 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 13:58.52 | ChrisW | octane-: now now, don't get tetchy, we are all entitled to our opinions... |
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| 13:59.54 | ChrisW | jelly: un,ountins is enough for usb, why does esata need the extra echo? |
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| 14:00.27 | ChrisW | !start a mta war |
| 14:00.27 | dpkg | qmail systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 14:00.28 | jelly | ChrisW: it's not enough for usb either |
| 14:00.39 | jelly | ChrisW: you were just lucky |
| 14:00.41 | ChrisW | jelly: why not? I've never had any problem... |
| 14:00.50 | ChrisW | what problems should I have expected? |
| 14:00.57 | jelly | data loss |
| 14:01.01 | ChrisW | why? |
| 14:01.27 | jelly | unclean poweroff of device |
| 14:01.45 | ChrisW | what does that mean? |
| 14:01.48 | ChrisW | where's the docs on this? |
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| 14:02.31 | jelly | ChrisW: google for a description of writeback buffering and whether it's enabled on consumer ata devices |
| 14:02.40 | jelly | s/buffering/cache/ |
| 14:02.46 | ChrisW | er |
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| 14:03.18 | ChrisW | I'm coming at this more from a "I'm a user, not a developer, how am I supposed to find out what I need to do before I poweroff and unplug my external hard drive" |
| 14:03.39 | ChrisW | in windows, I'd just do "safely disconnect" in the tray... |
| 14:03.44 | Lakche | unmount it |
| 14:03.46 | jelly | ChrisW: simplest thing to do is to run "eject /dev/sdb" |
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| 14:04.05 | jelly | Lakche: yeah, we're just addressing how that's not enough |
| 14:04.21 | ChrisW | heh, does that do the unmount and a other bit? |
| 14:04.36 | jelly | ChrisW: yes. |
| 14:04.41 | ChrisW | cool |
| 14:04.45 | ChrisW | can I eject by label |
| 14:04.46 | ChrisW | ? |
| 14:04.56 | Lakche | couldn't he also disable write cache w/ hdparm? |
| 14:05.04 | IamSOG | can someone tell me which file in Debian load all the start up files ? |
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| 14:05.10 | jelly | Lakche: for a usb device? |
| 14:05.10 | ChrisW | Lakche: why would I want to do that? |
| 14:05.20 | jelly | ChrisW: to prevent data loss. |
| 14:05.32 | ChrisW | yeah, btu write caching is good :-) |
| 14:05.50 | jelly | ChrisW: yes, unless someone yanks a disk out |
| 14:06.32 | ChrisW | heh, well, only time I'll be doing that with this disk is if my house is on fire |
| 14:06.40 | ChrisW | in which case I'll have to take my chances ;-) |
| 14:06.49 | ChrisW | I didn't even know about eject until now... |
| 14:06.52 | ChrisW | can I eject by label? |
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| 14:12.09 | jhutchins_wk | Is there an aptitude command that does both update and upgrade in one step? |
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| 14:12.33 | RichiH | no |
| 14:12.42 | themill | jhutchins_wk: "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" is as close as you'll get |
| 14:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | kthx. |
| 14:13.34 | jelly | ChrisW: not sure about the label, but a mount point works |
| 14:14.07 | ChrisW | yeah, was just rebooting the machine and read the man page when I did :-) |
| 14:14.14 | wekt | Why is the debian SSL certificate issued to apu.snow-crash.org? |
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| 14:14.41 | abrotman | which ssl cert? |
| 14:14.44 | jelly | wekt: "debian ssl certificate" for which host and service? |
| 14:15.02 | abrotman | it's the domain for Wirt |
| 14:15.13 | jelly | whut? |
| 14:15.25 | wekt | abrotman: https://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:15.32 | abrotman | do a `whois snow-crash.org` |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | and debian.net is not Debian |
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| 14:15.58 | abrotman | wekt: try this http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:16.03 | Lakche | Debian is debian.org |
| 14:16.29 | jelly | wekt: their web server isn't configured to give access to paste.debian.net via https |
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| 14:16.45 | abrotman | wekt: the foo.debian.net are services usually provided by someone associated with Debian, but not an official debian service |
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| 14:19.26 | sylar | hello |
| 14:19.35 | sylar | I have a nasty problem with lvm |
| 14:19.37 | debby_lenny | . |
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| 14:19.47 | IamSOG | this is it strange, my Debain is not using any of my SWAP spaces |
| 14:19.58 | sylar | even people at #lvm don't know what is wrong |
| 14:20.20 | sylar | http://pastebin.ca/1453602// |
| 14:20.53 | petemc | IamSOG: that sounds like a good thing |
| 14:21.22 | IamSOG | petemc no, because I only got 384MB RAM, and the RAM are like 90% used :D so it's odd |
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| 14:21.41 | petemc | IamSOG: if you have swap space, it will be used when needed |
| 14:21.49 | IamSOG | oh... |
| 14:21.58 | IamSOG | um.. strange :D |
| 14:22.09 | abrotman | yeah .. it's strange to only use things when you need them .. |
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| 14:22.25 | IamSOG | but my laptop is really slow :o |
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| 14:22.28 | wekt | IamSOG: If you never need it, you can shut it off. |
| 14:22.36 | petemc | IamSOG: using swap certainly wont speed it up |
| 14:22.40 | wekt | IamSOG: does the hard disk thrash? |
| 14:22.46 | IamSOG | that's true.. |
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| 14:22.55 | IamSOG | thrash ? |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | !am i swapping |
| 14:22.58 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
| 14:23.48 | IamSOG | oh, thanks abrotman let me try that :D |
| 14:23.58 | wekt | IamSOG: 'thrash' is a kind of movement, like a shark would make when tearing prey or an epileptic during a spasm. |
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| 14:24.22 | IamSOG | :O Oh |
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| 14:25.44 | Pruebaaaa | hola |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:25.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:26.58 | Pruebaaaa | hola |
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| 14:28.31 | IamSOG | heh heh, all the line below so are all 0 :o |
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| 14:31.09 | IamSOG | anyone tried "firestarter" ? |
| 14:31.15 | helo | trying to run good old quakeforge with oss-compat installed gives me an audio error: "Could not mmap /dev/dsp: Invalid argument\nCould not mmap /dev/dsp: Input/output error" |
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| 14:31.53 | helo | /dev/dsp is 660 |
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| 14:32.58 | wekt | IamSOG: yes. It was ok. |
| 14:33.15 | wekt | IamSOG: firestarter was the best I tried. |
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| 14:33.29 | Pruebaaaa | hello |
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| 14:33.56 | wekt | Does anything in debian change the permisions of directories? /var/cache/screen keeps getting the wrong permissions reset. |
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| 14:34.26 | sllide | how do i install .deb files? :/ |
| 14:34.33 | helo | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 14:34.33 | dpkg | package file.deb is already installed |
| 14:34.35 | jelly | IamSOG: does "swapon -s" report any enabled swap files/partitions? |
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| 14:36.13 | IamSOG | yes jelly it's mounted as swap, but it's not using it :D |
| 14:36.42 | raz0 | helo, if it's 660 then you need to be in it's group |
| 14:36.56 | sylar | can someone help with lvm bug? |
| 14:36.58 | sylar | http://pastebin.ca/1453686 |
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| 14:37.08 | sylar | HELP! |
| 14:37.16 | jelly | !help sylar |
| 14:37.31 | jelly | it seems you're beyond help |
| 14:37.41 | sylar | :( |
| 14:37.46 | raz0 | helo, maybe there is some kind of sound group? I know there is netdev and powerdev groups. |
| 14:37.51 | sylar | dpkg is offline? |
| 14:37.52 | IamSOG | :o |
| 14:37.52 | dpkg | i don't know, sylar |
| 14:37.57 | jelly | raz0: "audio" |
| 14:37.59 | IamSOG | No dpkg is online |
| 14:38.06 | abrotman | lay off the bot |
| 14:38.08 | RichiH | how do i set TOS bis as per http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.classless.html ? how can i do the same under windows in case anyone knows? |
| 14:38.09 | raz0 | jelly, thanks |
| 14:38.12 | IamSOG | I was talking to... um.. him a while ago |
| 14:38.24 | sllide | dpkg -i jari.deb |
| 14:38.24 | dpkg | installs jari.deb into sllide's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 14:38.27 | sllide | awesome |
| 14:38.37 | sllide | dpkg -i jari.deb |
| 14:38.37 | dpkg | removes a kidney from sllide and replaces it with jari.deb |
| 14:38.39 | sllide | xD |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | RichiH: ##windows ? |
| 14:38.52 | sllide | hugs dpkg |
| 14:39.11 | RichiH | abrotman: i will take the latter question there as well, yes |
| 14:39.13 | IamSOG | :O kidney |
| 14:39.19 | RichiH | my main focus is on linux, though |
| 14:39.39 | raz0 | helo, anyway, sure you don't want nquake.com instead? |
| 14:39.43 | jelly | sylar: tried #lvm ? |
| 14:39.51 | sllide | dpkg: statusdatabasegebied is vergrendeld door een ander proces |
| 14:39.51 | dpkg | sllide: okay |
| 14:39.55 | sllide | its dutch tho |
| 14:40.04 | sllide | an errorz |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | sllide: stop screwing with the bot |
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| 14:40.18 | jelly | dpkg: forget statusdatabasegebied |
| 14:40.19 | dpkg | jelly: i didn't have anything called 'statusdatabasegebied' to forget |
| 14:40.21 | sllide | this was a actual dpkg error |
| 14:40.21 | sylar | jelly, they don't know. Someone there think it is a debian patch caused bug |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | sllide: stop screwing with the bot |
| 14:40.37 | sllide | IT WAS A REAL ERROR |
| 14:40.51 | jelly | abrotman: dude, it wasn't intentional |
| 14:41.00 | IamSOG | um.. why is my SWAP's priority -1? lol is there a way to change it to +1? :o |
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| 14:41.09 | jelly | IamSOG: that's normal |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | jelly: and the other five times? |
| 14:41.22 | IamSOG | oic.. thanks jelly |
| 14:41.35 | jelly | abrotman: weren't a "foo is bar" |
| 14:41.52 | themill | dpkg: tell sllide about localized errors |
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| 14:43.56 | IamSOG | anyone tried "firestarter" ? |
| 14:44.35 | themill | dpkg: tell IamSOG about popcon |
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| 14:45.00 | IamSOG | oh, nice, thanks themill |
| 14:45.01 | sylar | has anyone done an lvm over two partitions on the same disk? |
| 14:45.08 | peanut034 | I need help i nstalling nvidia driver |
| 14:45.19 | peanut034 | if someone could oblige me |
| 14:45.19 | IamSOG | I use Grub |
| 14:45.32 | peanut034 | well, actually, I need kernel source package installed |
| 14:46.13 | peanut034 | I can't seem to figure out how |
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| 14:46.50 | jelly | sylar: does scanning and bringing up that lv work in a (non debian based) livecd? |
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| 14:47.06 | jelly | sylar: which debian release are you using? uname -r? |
| 14:47.26 | sylar | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 14:47.46 | sylar | I don't have any recent non debian livecd |
| 14:48.01 | sylar | (or spair disks to test on) |
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| 14:49.08 | jelly | sylar: well, you could at least try a different kernel |
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| 14:50.34 | tux_ | hi people, i wanted to know the names of the followin packages |
| 14:50.36 | tux_ | xlibs-dev |
| 14:50.36 | tux_ | x-window-system-dev |
| 14:50.36 | tux_ | x11-devel |
| 14:50.44 | tux_ | what are they called? |
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| 14:50.56 | themill | dpkg: tell tux_ about search |
| 14:51.41 | themill | tux_: more likely, there are specific files that you are looking for and apt-file will be what you need |
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| 14:53.52 | jelly | tux_: if you're a developer looking for a way to build your app on Debian, you can use http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents to find the particular header files |
| 14:54.01 | abrotman | apt-file ? |
| 14:55.02 | jelly | that's assuming tux_ has a debian installation handy |
| 14:55.20 | tux_ | jelly: i have debian base system installed |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | he could just compile it! |
| 14:55.37 | tux_ | i need these 3 packages to install |
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| 14:55.48 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 14:55.49 | jelly | tux_: to install what? |
| 14:56.12 | abrotman | where'd richiH go ? |
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| 14:56.42 | tux_ | jelly: build actually. fluxbox |
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| 14:56.57 | varlon | hi, how can I install firefox(iceweasel) 2.x in debian unstable? |
| 14:57.11 | themill | tux_: alternatively, you could just install the debian package for fluxbox |
| 14:57.19 | natalie | can anyone suggest a proxy that would summarize time and websites visited on a daily basis by source ip address? |
| 14:57.25 | jelly | tux_: because the version in debian isn't new enough? |
| 14:57.29 | peanut034 | can someone help me with nvidia drivers? |
| 14:57.30 | arvind_khadri | hi, i have debian lenny as the host OS and WinXP as a guest, i am unable to install guest additions, nothing happens after i mount the iso , do i have to install something more ? |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | varlon: you cannot .. you install iceweasel 3.x |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | varlon: not with packages from debian anyways |
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| 14:57.59 | varlon | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 14:58.24 | varlon | it a bad news, but... thanks any way |
| 14:58.56 | wooj | abrotman, I have a firefox-2 package available in apt and I don't have any 3rdparty repos, or is that just a placeholder? |
| 14:58.56 | abrotman | varlon: why would you want it anyways ? |
| 14:59.00 | jelly | tux_: if you enable deb-src lines for your debian mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list, do an "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get build-dep fluxbox", that last command will install all the requisite -dev packages for fluxbox to be build (with the options debian used) |
| 14:59.02 | wooj | I haven't actually tried installing it. |
| 14:59.13 | abrotman | wooj: debian doesn't have a firefox-2 package |
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| 14:59.27 | varlon | abrotman, I'm web developer and my customer wanted to see project on ff2 too |
| 14:59.35 | wooj | Aha |
| 14:59.35 | wooj | Package firefox-2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:59.35 | wooj | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 14:59.48 | wooj | gotit. |
| 15:00.04 | themill | varlon: you could make an etch chroot and try iceweasel 2 in that. |
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| 15:00.57 | wooj | varlon, https://browserlab.adobe.com/index.html |
| 15:00.57 | abrotman | varlon: but even mozilla has stopped development on FF2 |
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| 15:01.07 | varlon | I know |
| 15:01.12 | jelly | or install _real_ firefox 2 |
| 15:01.22 | jelly | whatever the last version released |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | which will then prompt you to upgrade to FF3 :) |
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| 15:01.38 | abrotman | varlon: a VM would probably easiest i'd guess |
| 15:02.03 | varlon | I tnink about WM |
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| 15:02.24 | varlon | will see what be easyest ) |
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| 15:03.53 | mamalujo | varlon, maybe you could compile it yourself, i see mozilla still offers the old source for dl |
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| 15:04.28 | IamSOG | strnage, looks like Debian have some ports open after flash installation |
| 15:04.50 | IamSOG | I guess it's for remote connect ? |
| 15:04.56 | varlon | now it's prefered way, but some little hope was that exists debian way until I asked here :) |
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| 15:05.08 | module000 | IamSOG: be more specific with your question |
| 15:05.26 | mamalujo | ah, yes :) |
| 15:05.42 | IamSOG | module000 I am port scanning my laptop, and found some open ports... will close them |
| 15:05.58 | module000 | IamSOG: what services? |
| 15:06.30 | mamalujo | also, i think firefox windows version runs perfectly under wine, perhaps is even faster than native.. |
| 15:06.42 | IamSOG | one of them is a service I installed :D Arps and some 113 ports 1313 ports, not sure what services |
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| 15:08.37 | module000 | IamSOG: try a netstat -p to see whats holding them if you're curious |
| 15:08.48 | IamSOG | thanks module000 |
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| 15:15.52 | abrotman | RichiH: did you find your answer? |
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| 15:18.30 | sylar | how do I make a module load at boot/ |
| 15:18.32 | sylar | ? |
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| 15:19.36 | liable | sylar: stick it in /etc/modules |
| 15:19.38 | module000 | sylar: /etc/modules |
| 15:20.33 | sylar | thanks |
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| 15:22.09 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there a how-to on how to get MRTG working with lenny ( that includes config files and apache setup? ) |
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| 15:22.25 | Velmont | I've been having trouble with setup.py + checkinstall + dpkg for a long time now; -- dpkg won't make my folder; it says: unable to create `./etc/func/minion.conf': No such file or directory |
| 15:22.56 | vyrus | did something recently break in compiz? i dist-upgraded my system and suddenly when i run compiz --replace in gnome i see no window decorations |
| 15:22.59 | vyrus | ? |
| 15:23.03 | Velmont | Which is funny, *it* should make that then. The file list lists /etc/func as something to make. But dpkg won't make the folder. If I do make the folder it works. |
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| 15:25.20 | abrotman | Velmont: does /etc/func/ exist? |
| 15:25.26 | Velmont | abrotman: No. |
| 15:25.31 | chops1 | Is there a way for me to run a bash script and have it print each line of script as it's executing it? |
| 15:25.34 | Velmont | abrotman: The deb should make it. |
| 15:25.40 | abrotman | Velmont: don't you think it should before you try to create a file there? |
| 15:25.50 | jelly | Velmont: quick workaround, unpack the deb file somewhere, mkdir the directory and repack it back |
| 15:25.51 | chops1 | I have a bash script that is doing much less than it should be and exiting early, and I want to debug what's causing the early exit |
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| 15:26.44 | jelly | Velmont: dpkg -x foo.deb somedir && dpkg -e foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN && mkdir somedir/etc/func && dpkg -b somedir . |
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| 15:27.39 | jelly | Velmont: mkdir -p if not even etc exists inside the package |
| 15:27.41 | Velmont | jelly: Thank you! I was searching for it now, not so easy -- much noise (at least with my search keywords). |
| 15:27.43 | themill | chops1:" set -u ; set -x" will help |
| 15:27.49 | IamSOG | um... anyone know which file load the start up programs? |
| 15:28.10 | sllide | jari is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 15:28.11 | sllide | ? |
| 15:28.20 | acemi | is there a time stamps client in Lenny repo? I'll use it with openTZA server |
| 15:28.30 | themill | chops1: "help set" for more information on them |
| 15:28.31 | jelly | sllide: you have to configure sudo first. |
| 15:28.37 | sllide | where? |
| 15:28.39 | sllide | or how |
| 15:28.52 | IamSOG | visudo ? |
| 15:28.58 | arvind_khadri | sllide, visudo |
| 15:29.07 | sllide | in terminal? |
| 15:29.07 | jelly | sllide: man sudoers, then use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers file |
| 15:29.20 | jelly | sllide: yes, and as root. |
| 15:29.37 | jelly | sllide: use su to get to a root shell (with your root password) |
| 15:29.50 | sllide | i know :p |
| 15:29.52 | Velmont | jelly: Hmm. Actually, -- the whole tree is in the file. a/etc/func/minion.conf |
| 15:30.00 | acemi | s/openTZA/openTSA |
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| 15:31.19 | jelly | Velmont: that is unusual. does dpkg -S /etc/func report any (other) installed packages that are supposed to create that directory? |
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| 15:32.02 | Velmont | dpkg: /etc/func not found. |
| 15:32.02 | dpkg | Velmont: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 15:32.19 | RichiH | abrotman: nope |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | RichiH: i see in `man iptables` some stuff for playing with the TOS bits |
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| 15:33.12 | Velmont | It is strange. I had the same problem with a dependency, but it worked after I deleted all files did dpkg --purge and tried from the beginning. With func I've tried sooo many times now. :-) |
| 15:33.25 | Velmont | I'm looking forward to when I can just apt-get install func |
| 15:33.28 | heroxbd | hi, there is a directory belonging to a user named 'bbs'. I want if root creats a file or subdirectory inside it, the new ones also belongs to 'bbs' not root. How can that be fulfilled? |
| 15:34.08 | jelly | Velmont: just for fun, please do an dpkg -b a . and try using the newly repacked deb |
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| 15:34.26 | jelly | Velmont: purge the old one before installing the repacked |
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| 15:37.17 | Velmont | jelly: OK. It was the conffiles that was wrong, --- it listed the directories as actual files. For some strange reason. Guess the setup.py-file was not entirely correct (or something). |
| 15:37.36 | Velmont | jelly: Thank you very much! You did what I couldn't in several hours :P |
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| 15:40.10 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm trying to get mrtg working on lenny ( what I want is to get an idea how well the bandwidth is getting used ), but I'm not sure how to start. Does anyone have a good how to for this? |
| 15:42.00 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: iptotal works out of the box to do that, better than arsing arounf with snmp |
| 15:42.01 | jelly | Velmont: checkinstall is a huge hack from the start |
| 15:42.19 | cognitiaclaeves | iptotal. Ok. I'll check that out. Thanks. |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | heroxbd: you can't, root can do anything |
| 15:42.48 | vyrus | is compiz broken in squeeze? |
| 15:43.36 | sparr | just cleaned out /home/sparr/src in preparation of moving from my old /home to my new /home... deleted 260000 files, 3GB. housecleaning is a good thing |
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| 15:45.19 | ajavid | hi |
| 15:45.21 | ajavid | I woke up |
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| 15:45.48 | ajavid | hey sparr whats going on today |
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| 15:46.33 | abrotman | well, there's always tomorrow |
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| 15:46.44 | ajavid | sparr, I keep everything in a chroot on a diff disk for development |
| 15:47.10 | ajavid | just mount, chroot, do what you want, but yes, cleaning stale/old files is useful |
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| 15:47.42 | pythos | avu, comfirmed, the 486 kernel got the pent II to fire up! |
| 15:48.04 | avu | pythos, strange, but nice :) |
| 15:48.19 | sparr | ajavid: they aren't necessarily stale/old, I'll be cvs/git/svn co'ing most of them again in the next few weeks. |
| 15:48.40 | ajavid | disk space is so cheap though |
| 15:48.40 | pythos | ya, expert install... had to go thru the entire thing again.. only the 4th try :-) |
| 15:48.48 | ajavid | I have 2tb, abotu 1.75tb useful |
| 15:49.03 | ajavid | how much did it cost, about 400$ ~ish |
| 15:49.31 | IamSOG | omg man, 3xxG gone |
| 15:50.05 | sparr | yeah, disk space is cheap, but fragmentation sucks |
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| 15:50.17 | sparr | my old /home is ridiculously fragmented, one of the major reasons I am cleaning |
| 15:50.23 | ajavid | ahh |
| 15:50.25 | ajavid | which FS? |
| 15:50.27 | dalias | anyone know how to install cinelerra on sid? i want to try it out |
| 15:50.28 | sparr | ext3 |
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| 15:50.31 | ajavid | ahh |
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| 15:50.48 | sparr | I am not using /home as a bittorrent workspace this time around :) |
| 15:50.52 | ajavid | sparr, I've read bout ext4 and its ability to not let thigns get fragmented (though I'm guessing fragmentaiton still occurs, its inevitable) |
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| 15:51.05 | ajavid | sparr, if you do, use ful allocation upon torrent start |
| 15:51.15 | sparr | I did, but it still breaks over time |
| 15:51.16 | ajavid | sparr, thats the only real way to avoid fragmentation of downloaded data |
| 15:51.35 | ajavid | i mean, while its being downloaded |
| 15:51.40 | sparr | ext3 doesn't like it when you fill a disk, then clean it out, then fill, then clean it out |
| 15:51.49 | hark | dalias: it's in dmm |
| 15:51.56 | ajavid | ext won't get fragmented until its about 80% full |
| 15:51.58 | sparr | none of the existing allocators are smart enough to handle the 99.9% capacity situation very well |
| 15:52.02 | ajavid | then it starts to fragment (afaik) |
| 15:52.10 | jelly | sparr: they promised online defrag for ext4 |
| 15:52.10 | sparr | yeah, I took that drive to 99%+ dozens of times |
| 15:52.18 | RichiH | abrotman: aye, but i need to do it on an application scale |
| 15:52.18 | ajavid | on ext3 upto 80% disk capacity, you'll be fine |
| 15:52.40 | sparr | I'll keep the old /home around for a few weeks |
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| 15:52.44 | sparr | moving things over one at a time |
| 15:52.49 | sparr | until I can wipe it out |
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| 15:53.19 | sparr | I wish I could go back in time and strangle the guy who thought up .files |
| 15:53.27 | sparr | send the .config/ idea back to him |
| 15:53.57 | jelly | nothing wrong with dotfiles, but .config is a bit ridiculous |
| 15:54.06 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:54.10 | ajavid | you have no idea. |
| 15:54.17 | ajavid | ludicurous |
| 15:54.34 | vyrus | so anybody know why the python-compizconfig pkg is version missmatched with the rest of compiz? |
| 15:55.03 | ajavid | vyrus, in which debian releae? |
| 15:55.03 | ajavid | vyrus, stable is 100% a ok |
| 15:55.11 | vyrus | squeeze |
| 15:55.20 | ajavid | vyrus, pastebin error messages |
| 15:55.24 | vyrus | http://pastebin.com/f1fab9463 |
| 15:55.44 | lcuk | Quick yes or no or totally mental question, creating and managing a c language shared library using only simple makefiles (and a debian installer of course) |
| 15:55.48 | ajavid | and whats the problem again? |
| 15:55.58 | vyrus | soreau: http://pastebin.com/m3371fcdf |
| 15:56.10 | sparr | jelly: you don't find it a BIT troublesome when you have a thousand dotfiles/dotfolders in ~? |
| 15:56.23 | vyrus | ajavid: no window decorator... compiz loads and the gnome window decorator goes away, cant move windows, etc |
| 15:56.26 | jelly | sparr: I don't care. |
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| 15:56.36 | ajavid | vyrus, have you loaded the window decorator plugin? |
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| 15:56.53 | ajavid | vyrus, run 'ccsm' and enable it pleae |
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| 15:57.03 | jelly | sparr: ls -lad .* |wc -l => 406 |
| 15:57.19 | sparr | I've got just over double that... they make navigating ~ very annoying |
| 15:57.28 | sparr | in a GUI, that is |
| 15:57.28 | jelly | navigating? |
| 15:57.39 | ajavid | you mean in a file browser |
| 15:57.40 | jelly | sparr: hide the hidden files! |
| 15:57.42 | ktwilight | wow, you NEED to install mysql when installing apache2? what kinda crap is that? |
| 15:57.50 | zeroConfDev | is there any hard and fast rules for working out how much ram you are going to need in a debian box ? (trying to install on a virtual machine and want to give it as little as possible) |
| 15:57.51 | jelly | my file browser is called zsh :-| |
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| 15:57.56 | ajavid | ktwilight, huh? |
| 15:58.00 | vyrus | ajavid: it is enabled |
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| 15:58.04 | sparr | zeroConfDev: yes. twice as much as you get. |
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| 15:58.19 | vyrus | ajavid: if you look at the first pastebin you can see that the version of the python package is way off |
| 15:58.21 | jelly | zeroConfDev: depends on the workload |
| 15:58.30 | ajavid | I'm pretty sure apache2 does NOT depend on mysql |
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| 15:58.33 | sparr | jelly: half the time I am looking for a hidden file/folder |
| 15:58.47 | dacs | howdy, i have asterisk 1.4 running on my lenny now, and i want to uninstall it how can i do that please |
| 15:58.48 | abrotman | RichiH: oh, sorry |
| 15:58.52 | pl | Hello. Is there a debian repository with firefox (or iceweasel) beta versions or nightly builds? |
| 15:59.02 | jelly | sparr: sounds like your GUI file browser of choice is deficient, then |
| 15:59.09 | hark | vyrus: /msg dpkg why is python-compizconfig not in testing |
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| 15:59.34 | ajavid | vyrus, its not way off |
| 15:59.34 | sparr | jelly: most are, sadly. especially now that kde is abandoning konqueror-as-filebrowser |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | sparr: that includes default kde3 and GTK+ file browsers, I'm afraid |
| 15:59.50 | sparr | dolphin is so weak |
| 16:00.00 | zeroConfDev | so the number of programs / services running is not as important as the amount of work each is going to be doing, so if its a very busy dns server i run, then more, if its only a internal dns server for say, 50 workstations it wont matter much, and when its a dns server just for my house, well, 128 megs of ram should be FINE... |
| 16:00.05 | jelly | lemme fire up Thunar (xfce) |
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| 16:00.32 | ktwilight | ajavid, it doesn't, but something does... |
| 16:00.33 | tux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.42 | jelly | sparr: 10ish seconds to display anything |
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| 16:00.50 | zeroConfDev | would i be fair to say that gnome/kde/x11 would use MOST of the ram, so if i dont install that i would be doing myself a big favour...? |
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| 16:01.04 | ajavid | ktwilight, it might recommend/suggest mysql as apache kinda goes in the LAMP stack |
| 16:01.05 | Aberration2 | yo! |
| 16:01.19 | ajavid | ktwilight, apt-cache depends apache2 etc. etc. check it out |
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| 16:01.22 | ktwilight | ajavid, but i have APT::Install-Recommends "false"; ? |
| 16:01.39 | jelly | sparr: it's almost instant after everything has been cached |
| 16:01.58 | tux_ | jelly: how can i integrate kdm with fluxbox |
| 16:01.59 | tux_ | ?? |
| 16:02.05 | Aberration2 | I've just built a new kernel and I got this kernel pannic at boot : "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)"... Google is full of this error, but I ain't found no cure yet |
| 16:02.08 | ajavid | ktwilight, apt-cache rdepends mysql-server |
| 16:02.10 | ktwilight | aha, libaprutil1 is the culprit... |
| 16:02.12 | themill | dpkg: tell ktwilight about aptitude why |
| 16:02.20 | ajavid | vyrus, are you not able to run ccsm? |
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| 16:02.36 | ajavid | vyrus, are you able to get into configuration to see if the window decoration plugin is loaded or not? |
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| 16:03.02 | IamSOG | um.. what is bonobo-activation-server does... |
| 16:03.05 | ktwilight | facepalm |
| 16:03.06 | mischief | hmm, i'm getting a very odd problem in nano |
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| 16:03.12 | ktwilight | whoever packaged libaprutil1 is...gah! |
| 16:03.16 | IamSOG | um.. what does bonobo-activation-server do :D damn wrong grammar |
| 16:03.18 | mischief | whenever i read a .phps file, the *same* content shows up no matter what file i read |
| 16:03.24 | ajavid | vyrus, if there was a version mismatch, ccsm would refuse to run comletely because the compizconfig.so python module has newer symbols in the new version and would not launch on .7.6 |
| 16:03.28 | ajavid | soemthing |
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| 16:03.57 | jelly | tux_: srsly, why are you building lfuxbox from scratch instead of using the package from distro? |
| 16:04.00 | ajavid | vyrus, in which case, you can just install the said pacakge from directly sid or PDO |
| 16:04.01 | hark | IamSOG: see the man page |
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| 16:04.20 | tux_ | i just completed it |
| 16:04.23 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there a command that I can run with iptotal to determine the size of the network pipe? |
| 16:04.25 | themill | ktwilight: why is it unreasonable that the APR which requires db access can access a DB? |
| 16:04.38 | tux_ | jelly: and now i need kdm to work together with fluxbox |
| 16:04.39 | jelly | tux_: is there a special reason for not using the package? |
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| 16:04.41 | ajavid | themill, thats not a very good question. |
| 16:04.53 | jelly | judd: versions fluxbox |
| 16:04.53 | vyrus | ajavid: pdo? |
| 16:04.54 | judd | jelly: fluxbox -- etch: 0.9.14-1.2 etch-backports: 1.0.0+deb1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.0+deb1-8 sid: 1.1.1-2 squeeze: 1.1.1-2 |
| 16:04.56 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: download a large-ish file from a fast host |
| 16:05.00 | ajavid | !tell vyrus -about pdo |
| 16:05.12 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: replace download with upload to test uplink |
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| 16:05.16 | cognitiaclaeves | petemc: That's so simple, I can see why I didn't think of it... |
| 16:05.18 | ajavid | vyrus, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&searchon=names&keywords=python-compizconfig |
| 16:05.30 | ktwilight | themill, 'cuz it's of no use? |
| 16:05.42 | vyrus | ajavid: thnx, i have no way to copy that in console but thnx ;) |
| 16:05.49 | ajavid | vyrus, aptitude install gpm |
| 16:05.53 | ajavid | !tell vyrus -about gpm |
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| 16:05.56 | cognitiaclaeves | petemc: Is there a way to see data graphed, with relative ease? |
| 16:06.25 | zeroConfDev | 100 byts of ram per dns record is considreed the *rule of thumb* for *real* dns (ie, dns that is used on the internet vs something internal) |
| 16:06.33 | vyrus | ajavid: thnx again :D |
| 16:06.39 | ajavid | sure |
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| 16:07.34 | jelly | tux_: at the very least you'll need to make your binary an x-window-manager alternative (man update-alternatives). There might be more things needed to integrate the thing, which is why it's better to leave the integration to distro packagers and use their products |
| 16:07.53 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: iptotal will graph it with no intervention reuqired |
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| 16:09.43 | bzed | tux_: you can always choose the windowmanager in kde |
| 16:09.46 | jelly | zeroConfDev: my reasonably-busy tinydns and dnscache instances for an isp have 2GiB RAM each, and could comfortably live with 1GiB. |
| 16:10.04 | bzed | tux_: you need to set it in the environment which one to use, kde should work fine with fluxbox |
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| 16:10.49 | bzed | tux_: put a file into ~/.kde/env, unfortunately I forgot what the right name for the environment variable is... KDEWM=/usr/bin/fluxbox probably |
| 16:11.01 | jelly | zeroConfDev: there are... around 380k entries. |
| 16:11.09 | bzed | tux_: http://developer.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ |
| 16:11.21 | mischief | whenever i read a .phps file, the *same* content shows up no matter what file i read, anyone know why this could be? |
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| 16:11.41 | cognitiaclaeves | petemc: Do you have a link describing how to use iptotal / where to find the graphed data? |
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| 16:12.12 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: /usr/share/doc/iptotal/README |
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| 16:12.55 | zeroConfDev | jelly - WOWZERS - thanks for that, i think 64 will be HEAPS... i MIGHT need to raise it to 128 depending on how many resources he actual OS wants to chew up... |
| 16:13.45 | pythos | soooo... whats the deal with the use of ipv6... I have a belkin router providing dhcp, I don't believe that it hands out ipv6, but that is what my 'new' system claims it is ifconfig'd as <with no connectivity as far as I can tell> |
| 16:14.04 | ajavid | pythos, you get ipv6 from isp or tunnel broker |
| 16:14.09 | ajavid | pythos, and no where else. |
| 16:14.17 | pythos | ja |
| 16:14.44 | ajavid | pythos, debian is configured by default to ipv6 as well as v4 |
| 16:14.53 | pythos | wo why is my brand new lenny telling me it has an ipv6 address |
| 16:14.53 | ajavid | look in /etc/hosts for a sec |
| 16:15.02 | pythos | k |
| 16:15.13 | ajavid | pythos, it doesn't |
| 16:15.32 | ajavid | not unless you configured it that way |
| 16:16.08 | pythos | um, well, I had to use expert install to convince it to use a 486 kernel... maybe I missed ipv4 |
| 16:16.11 | ajavid | pythos, ifconfig reporting ipv6 is no big deal |
| 16:16.18 | pythos | ahh, K |
| 16:16.26 | brabo | um i have ipv6 lines in /etc/hosts |
| 16:16.57 | brabo | and i can't imagine having spcified ipv6 during install |
| 16:17.05 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 16:18.03 | pythos | k... I just did a manual ifconfig with ipv4 info... worked after I set a default route |
| 16:18.11 | brabo | sorry ajavid ! |
| 16:18.16 | ajavid | no no no |
| 16:18.21 | ajavid | don't apologize friend |
| 16:18.28 | ajavid | I'm just sighing for lots of reaons |
| 16:18.29 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:19.10 | brabo | i just don't understand why those lines are there. if ipv6 is active, i would like to know how to check that and how to switch it off :) |
| 16:19.25 | ajavid | !ipv6 |
| 16:19.25 | dpkg | [ipv6] at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/, or to get rid of it, ask me about <noipv6> |
| 16:19.41 | IamSOG | anyone tried the firestarter firewall? |
| 16:19.54 | ajavid | isn't that an iptables frontend? |
| 16:20.00 | Spec | IamSOG: i've used it, it's very simplistic. |
| 16:20.15 | Spec | it uses iptables, yes. |
| 16:20.34 | IamSOG | Oh, I see... thanks |
| 16:20.48 | ajavid | btw |
| 16:20.53 | ajavid | !tell IamSOG -about anyone |
| 16:21.02 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 16:21.26 | IamSOG | lol, thanks ajavid :o was wondering if it's good |
| 16:21.38 | ajavid | heh |
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| 16:22.28 | brabo | i used firestarter before and it's easy to use |
| 16:22.44 | ajavid | a bit simpler than I'd like |
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| 16:22.55 | ajavid | still, nothing beats writing your own firewalls by hand |
| 16:22.59 | brabo | depends on your needs i think |
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| 16:23.50 | brabo | i wouldn't recomend my dad writing his own iptables script ^^ |
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| 16:24.06 | saulus | Using exim4 I get "F=<> rejected RCPT <user@othermachine.my.domain>: relay not permitted". The mailserver itself is configured as "internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP". Mails sent on the mailserver to local users are being delivered correctly. Mails to other machines result in the errorlog. What may be the problem? |
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| 16:25.51 | ajavid | aaaaaaahhhhhhh boy |
| 16:26.01 | ajavid | *smacking lips* |
| 16:26.06 | ajavid | I'm going back to bed. |
| 16:26.07 | ajavid | *afk* |
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| 16:27.13 | tzanger | good afternoon, I've got an out-of tree kernel module (omnibook) -- it has a 'debian' subdirectory whcih can be used to make packages with, and I'd like to do this. I know how t build the module, I just don't know how to properly make a package to install |
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| 16:27.55 | vyrus | ajavid: got it working |
| 16:27.56 | vyrus | thnx mna |
| 16:27.57 | vyrus | man* |
| 16:28.04 | ajavid | im not here. |
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| 16:29.37 | wooj | !dpkg |
| 16:29.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 16:32.12 | brabo | pythos : i found a very good overview of howto disable ipv6 on debian/ubuntu as well as in suse, centos,red hat etc |
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| 16:32.49 | brabo | if you're interested |
| 16:32.56 | adb | !noipv6 |
| 16:32.56 | dpkg | [noipv6] echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
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| 16:33.17 | brabo | yes, but there aro other ways on debian too |
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| 16:34.21 | tralala | who needs other ways? |
| 16:34.47 | brabo | isn't that the linux way? :p |
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| 16:36.09 | tralala | it is, but it's not always benficial |
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| 16:39.02 | mischief | can anyone tell me why root's $HOME might be set to a user's home? |
| 16:39.06 | mischief | and not /root ? |
| 16:39.27 | tralala | mischief, if you run "su" instead of "su -" |
| 16:40.11 | mischief | i used sudo |
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| 16:40.12 | mischief | :x |
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| 16:40.24 | neurobuntu | is frankie around? |
| 16:41.00 | xor | Is the Bastille package already fixed to work with 5.0? |
| 16:41.20 | tralala | mischief, same difference. You need to start a login shell for the environment varialbes to be properly set for root. |
| 16:41.31 | mischief | ah, okay |
| 16:41.48 | mischief | i've been experiencing some funny bugs on my debian system lately, that was one of them (i thought) |
| 16:41.52 | mischief | only a fluke i guess |
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| 16:43.23 | jelly | mischief: sudo su - :-) |
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| 16:44.19 | mischief | jelly, haha |
| 16:44.45 | jelly | mischief: or read about -H, or change your sudo config to exclude the variables you wish not transferred |
| 16:44.46 | mischief | well, i actualy did `sudo screen -dRR` and whenever i did `cd ~` it always too my to my user's home |
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| 16:45.26 | jelly | mischief: if there was a preexisting screen session the settings in it wouldn't be affected |
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| 16:45.53 | mischief | jelly, the screen session was initially started with the same command |
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| 16:47.23 | Selveste1 | Im thinking about setting up a new MTA-server I have Postfix on the old one, but debian is default shipped with Exim - Is there a good reason to learn Exim ore stay with Postfix ? |
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| 16:48.19 | Selveste1 | I mean Security, Spam and Virus filtering ? |
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| 16:50.53 | themill | !why exim |
| 16:50.53 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html |
| 16:51.04 | curtisk | Hi i have a problem whit lenny when i try to use nano trough shh its just says nano |
| 16:51.06 | curtisk | Error opening terminal: konsole |
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| 16:52.39 | Kuifje111 | hello all. i have installed a new gbit lan card, but when i copy files it doesnt go faster than 12 mb/s (which is the max of a 100mbps card). I suspect that there's a configuration in linux which limits the transfer speed to the speed of a 100mbps line, where would i find this option? |
| 16:53.14 | cahoot | Kuifje111: what does ethtool say? |
| 16:53.29 | Kuifje111 | dont know, didnt know about that application. |
| 16:53.48 | Kuifje111 | will take a look |
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| 16:55.22 | jelly | Kuifje111: did you pastebin your latest "dmesg|grep eth" ? |
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| 16:55.50 | Kuifje111 | ah |
| 16:55.51 | Kuifje111 | no |
| 16:56.24 | Kuifje111 | the irritating thing is that i need to switch the monitor and keyboard cable all time, because i only got 1 keyboard and monitor here |
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| 16:56.36 | jelly | Kuifje111: ssh! |
| 16:56.41 | Kuifje111 | yeah |
| 16:56.54 | Kuifje111 | but that is quite difficult when messing with network |
| 16:56.59 | Selveste1_ | Sorry my lap. ran out of bat |
| 16:57.23 | jelly | Kuifje111: serial console, then |
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| 16:57.58 | Selveste1_ | I repeat my Q: Im thinking about setting up a new MTA-server I have Postfix on the old one, but debian is default shipped with Exim - Is there a good reason to learn Exim ore stay with Postfix ? I mean on Security, Spam and Virus filtering ? |
| 16:58.01 | Lakche | kuifje111; kvm :] |
| 16:58.16 | themill | dpkg: tell Selveste1_ about why exim |
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| 16:59.30 | jelly | Selveste1_: there is no good reason, postfix works as well |
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| 17:00.10 | jelly | Selveste1_: debian's choice of default MTA has historically been... interesting |
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| 17:00.24 | Lakche | before exim it was postfix |
| 17:00.25 | Lakche | no |
| 17:00.26 | Lakche | wait my bad |
| 17:00.28 | Lakche | it was sendmail |
| 17:00.31 | tae | how do i figure out when a package was updated last? |
| 17:00.32 | Lakche | isnt thinking atm |
| 17:00.43 | beardy | !pdo |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:00.47 | tae | mailman broke on my system :( i dont know why ive not installed it |
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| 17:01.04 | brabo | Kuifje111 install synergys and share your one keyb/mouse over systems and screens? |
| 17:01.07 | beardy | tae: /usr/share/doc/package/Changelog(.gz) |
| 17:01.22 | tae | beardy: thank you |
| 17:01.32 | Selveste1_ | So now when im running postfix there is no reason to change to exim ? |
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| 17:01.53 | Lakche | Selveste1_; each MTA has its pros and cons, its ultimately your choice which you use |
| 17:01.54 | tae | beardy: oh right i forgot the problem now is that mailman is not installed, for some reason its been removed and it could not get installed |
| 17:02.06 | tae | beardy: so i dont have the change log (as the packge is not on the system) |
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| 17:02.37 | curtisk | eny one who can help whit my nano problem ? |
| 17:02.40 | jelly | Lakche: follow the link in "/msg dpkg why exim" to find the previous mta |
| 17:02.51 | beardy | tae: Then pdo and bts is where to look. /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:03.01 | Lakche | thanks jelly |
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| 17:03.56 | tae | beardy: i think you missunderstood my question, i dont know if this is a bug yet, i want to find out when the package got updated to verify that this is the case and not some user who upgraded the system (or perhaps even myself) |
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| 17:04.43 | tae | the first link you gave me 'packages....' i looked at but could not find it there so i came here and asked |
| 17:05.06 | tae | nevermind i found it now |
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| 17:05.07 | beardy | tae: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:05.11 | jelly | tae: /var/log/aptitude, /var/log/dpkg.log, /var/log/apt/* |
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| 17:05.18 | tae | still running etch |
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| 17:06.01 | tae | hmm -- Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org> Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:42:33 +0100 |
| 17:06.06 | tae | looks like this is not a bug then |
| 17:06.42 | jelly | brabo: synergy has the exact same problem as ssh when messing with network settings |
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| 17:09.19 | woshfdwo | my system is halting at the same place on boot every time. is there a boot.log or something i can look at to see exactly where the problem is occuring |
| 17:09.19 | woshfdwo | ? |
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| 17:10.17 | cahoot | woshfdwo: might be if bootlogd was/is enabled |
| 17:10.38 | Kuifje111 | i executed "ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 autoneg off" but it made me lose connection. |
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| 17:11.00 | Kuifje111 | and i cannot reconnect |
| 17:11.08 | woshfdwo | cahoot: is it enabled by default? |
| 17:11.22 | cahoot | woshfdwo: I don't think so |
| 17:11.25 | tae | yay |
| 17:11.30 | tae | fixed it :) |
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| 17:11.56 | tae | 'complete complete complete'- output is making me smile |
| 17:11.57 | cahoot | woshfdwo: simply check if ther's a /var/log/boot |
| 17:12.07 | tae | thanks for your help beardy |
| 17:12.08 | woshfdwo | cant. encrypted lvm |
| 17:12.12 | cahoot | woshfdwo: (from some bootable device) |
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| 17:12.54 | Orveldv | guys, is there some nice text-based mail client, other than mutt and (al)pine ? |
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| 17:17.36 | curtisk | Error opening terminal: konsole |
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| 17:17.58 | curtisk | is there eny one who know how to fix that i get it when i try using nano |
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| 17:18.14 | cire | when recording via usb camera with audacity, it always gets too fast (speaking twice as fast as recorded) |
| 17:18.19 | cire | where could this come from? |
| 17:18.37 | JosefAssad | erm. I was just upgrading squeeze here when aptitude hung on processing man-db triggers |
| 17:19.10 | JosefAssad | kill doesn't work on the process either. Any ideas what I might do short of rebooting, and whether I might expect trouble of any form? |
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| 17:19.38 | Lakche | JosefAssad; kill -9? |
| 17:19.46 | Lakche | if you wanted to kill it that is.. |
| 17:19.59 | paxcoder | My apt-get returns this error, help: http://pastebin.com/d652c2d3 |
| 17:20.17 | _Lemon_ | Hello, I seem to be having an issue with the debian installer, it is hanging on adding GRUB. I get a warning about how it should be using /usr/sbin/ instead of /sbin but then hangs on the next line "Searching for grub installation directory ... found: /boot/grub". Nothing happens after it! |
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| 17:21.13 | abrotman | JosefAssad: how long did you wait? |
| 17:21.13 | paxcoder | I did 'dpkg --clear-avail' and 'apt-get update' after that, but to no avail. |
| 17:21.29 | SirTopHat | I have ATI Radeon X1200 1GB and on debian it will only go up to 1027x768 |
| 17:21.35 | abrotman | he's back! |
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| 17:21.44 | abrotman | hides from SirTopHat |
| 17:21.58 | Lakche | 1027x768? what an odd resolution |
| 17:21.58 | JosefAssad | Lakche: yessir |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | paxcoder: if you comment out the testing security line, does it work ? |
| 17:22.02 | SirTopHat | I gave up on the flash thing, decided it's not worth any more of my time lol |
| 17:22.06 | SirTopHat | 1024* |
| 17:22.06 | JosefAssad | abrotman: oh, about 5 minutes. |
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| 17:22.30 | JosefAssad | Lakche: What I mean is, it doesn't respond to -9 |
| 17:22.30 | abrotman | JosefAssad: if it's a slow machine, it might take that long |
| 17:22.39 | Lakche | generating man pages can take a while.. |
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| 17:23.00 | SirTopHat | 1440x900 is what it can go up to on Windows, is there no driver support for the card on debian or something |
| 17:23.01 | JosefAssad | abrotman: nope, no hard disk activity or processor load. 'sides, not responding to kill -9 is suspicious |
| 17:23.01 | SirTopHat | gnome |
| 17:23.21 | paxcoder | abrotman: yes, what's the prob? |
| 17:23.22 | Lakche | SirTopHat; what driver are you using? |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | JosefAssad: ps aux ... what's the process state |
| 17:23.28 | JosefAssad | D |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: something is wrong with that testing security mirror |
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| 17:23.46 | SirTopHat | whatever the install CD used |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | is that a wonky eyeless smile, or a 'D' ? |
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| 17:23.56 | JosefAssad | abrotman: D+ |
| 17:24.03 | JosefAssad | heh, sorry |
| 17:24.03 | abrotman | SirTopHat: did you check the resolution applet or xrandr ? |
| 17:24.04 | penguin_ | What is the name of the file that mounts partitions on boot up? |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | /etc/fstab |
| 17:24.22 | penguin_ | ty |
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| 17:24.30 | SirTopHat | yeah |
| 17:24.33 | paxcoder | abrotman: is there any alternative, what's security.debian for anyway? |
| 17:24.43 | SirTopHat | there were only three options. |
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| 17:24.48 | abrotman | JosefAssad: seems to be waiting for IO |
| 17:24.54 | JosefAssad | abrotman: it's all a bit dodgy. My gut feeling is I'm looking at a reboot |
| 17:24.54 | abrotman | paxcoder: security fixes |
| 17:25.11 | SirTopHat | some lower resolution, 800x600, and 1024x768 |
| 17:25.20 | JosefAssad | abrotman: yes, quite likely. |
| 17:25.32 | abrotman | SirTopHat: you may need the radeonhd driver |
| 17:25.38 | SirTopHat | brb restarting into debian |
| 17:25.40 | paxcoder | abrotman: so basically, that's security* are most used repos? |
| 17:25.49 | abrotman | paxcoder: they are security patches |
| 17:25.50 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 17:25.50 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ , or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers. |
| 17:25.53 | JosefAssad | abrotman: OK, hink I'll just give the machine a kick in the nuts^H^H^H^H reset button and see what happens |
| 17:26.04 | abrotman | JosefAssad: i'd try a 'reboot' perhaps instead .. |
| 17:26.41 | paxcoder | abrotman: so no alternative atm? bugger. thx. if you remember, let me know when it gets fixed. |
| 17:26.48 | JosefAssad | abrotman: will do. Do you have any idea how likely it is that a broken dist-upgrade will give me heartache later? Is dpkg/apt smart enough to recover from wonky things like this? |
| 17:26.59 | abrotman | paxcoder: check in six horus |
| 17:27.13 | abrotman | JosefAssad: it should be .. cross your fingers |
| 17:27.14 | paxcoder | abrotman: been like this for few days now, but will do. |
| 17:27.32 | JosefAssad | abrotman: alright, thanks for lending me your mind :) |
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| 17:28.19 | abrotman | paxcoder: did you try removing the file it's complaining about (you'd have to uncomment the source again) |
| 17:28.33 | abrotman | or moving it out of the way at least |
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| 17:29.14 | SirTophat | what was the name of that package, radeonhd |
| 17:29.38 | Lakche | xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 17:29.43 | paxcoder | abrotman: it was saying that for any package weather it be install or uninstall |
| 17:30.01 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...i installed all of the compiz packages i could get my hands on yesterday ...all the plugins and that stuff ...but when i write "compiz --replace " ...it just dont work ...it gives me a metacity with no GTK-Decorations ....any suggestions ? |
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| 17:30.26 | penguin_ | Is fdsk the only command to find your partition table? |
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| 17:30.40 | SirTophat | E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorx-video-radeonhd |
| 17:30.48 | abrotman | i hope you mean xorg |
| 17:30.52 | SirTophat | that's good, terminal text copying works now |
| 17:30.54 | SirTophat | oh |
| 17:30.56 | SirTophat | typo |
| 17:31.15 | Lakche | i just did apt-cache and found it for you thru there so it should be the right one! :/ |
| 17:31.15 | SirTophat | no still no package found |
| 17:31.16 | abrotman | does it work better when you don't typo it ? |
| 17:31.25 | abrotman | that package is in lenny |
| 17:31.33 | SirTophat | I'm on gnome |
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| 17:31.50 | abrotman | gnome is a Desktop Environment .. Lenny is the version of Debian you are using |
| 17:31.51 | woshfdwo | my system stops booting at the line "device-mapper..." what could that mean? device mapper is what looks for my volumes correct? |
| 17:31.56 | SirTophat | oh |
| 17:32.01 | genericType | cobra: you mean you get windows with no decorations? Do you have compiz-config-settings manager installed? |
| 17:32.02 | SirTophat | I'm on stable |
| 17:32.03 | SirTophat | agh |
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| 17:32.10 | abrotman | lenny is currently stable |
| 17:32.18 | yoshio | penguin_: there is cfdisk in debian |
| 17:32.19 | tzanger | .wc |
| 17:32.21 | tzanger | er |
| 17:32.21 | pfak | Where can I find an etch netinstall ISO image? |
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| 17:32.31 | abrotman | !tell pfak about cd archive |
| 17:32.53 | penguin_ | So no command to look at partition table where you can't do major damage? |
| 17:32.55 | pfak | Thank you, abrotman. |
| 17:33.04 | SirTophat | how can Itell if I'm on lenny |
| 17:33.14 | yoshio | penguin_: fdisk -l /dev/xxxx justs lists the partitions |
| 17:33.19 | pfak | SirTophat: cat /etc/debian-release |
| 17:33.36 | pfak | er, /etc/debian_version |
| 17:33.37 | Lakche | or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:33.51 | SirTophat | 4.0 |
| 17:33.52 | Lakche | -release is more redhat ;) |
| 17:33.56 | Lakche | thats Etch |
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| 17:34.00 | SirTophat | gah |
| 17:34.03 | pfak | always get his distros confused. ^_^ |
| 17:34.03 | woshfdwo | ok. i didn't have bootlogd enabled. i'm looking for the text of a standard boot in some sort of a log format. NOT MY OWN. but one hosted as a web page online somewhere for reference. |
| 17:34.18 | Lakche | SirTophat; you can always search packages: apt-cache search <name> |
| 17:34.19 | abrotman | SirTophat: oh, then you wn't have radeonhd |
| 17:34.21 | woshfdwo | if bootlogd HAD BEEN enabled what would this file have been called? bootl.og? |
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| 17:34.44 | abrotman | SirTophat: btw .. this also explains your flash issues from the other night |
| 17:34.47 | SirTophat | I'll install lenny, because every time I ever want to install something I need, this gets in my way |
| 17:34.49 | hark | woshfdwo: boot |
| 17:35.09 | SirTophat | can I upgrade it to lenny without downloading a CD |
| 17:35.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:35.18 | Lakche | yes |
| 17:35.22 | abrotman | !tell SirTophat about etch->lenny |
| 17:35.32 | woshfdwo | hark thanks |
| 17:35.40 | SirTophat | oh that's good |
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| 17:35.44 | SirTophat | ty |
| 17:36.05 | Lakche | abrotman; does dpkg have an index of what it knows? |
| 17:36.31 | abrotman | Lakche: well uh .. duh :) |
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| 17:36.46 | abrotman | it doesn't just guess :) |
| 17:36.58 | Lakche | no i mean, can i /msg it to see a list of KB topics or something? |
| 17:37.03 | genericType | cobra-the-joker: hey do you have compiz-config-settings-manager installed? |
| 17:37.05 | Lakche | is there a command? |
| 17:37.09 | abrotman | sure .. /msg dpkg listkeys debian |
| 17:37.14 | abrotman | for example |
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| 17:37.30 | Lakche | thanks!Q |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | Lakche: and please don't fill the bot with useless junk |
| 17:38.04 | Lakche | I wasn't going to... |
| 17:38.08 | Lakche | did you think I was? :o |
| 17:38.23 | abrotman | lots of people think it's fun |
| 17:38.32 | cobra-the-joker | genericType ...yes |
| 17:38.40 | Lakche | I just wanted to look up things I didn't know |
| 17:38.52 | abrotman | !tell Lakche about your factoids |
| 17:39.02 | paxcoder | how do you link (against) gnu readline? |
| 17:39.17 | cobra-the-joker | http://pastebin.com/d227ce1ea |
| 17:39.58 | jelly | paxcoder: uh.... -lreadline ? |
| 17:40.11 | genericType | cobra-the-joker: have you made sure that Window Decoration, Place Windows, Maximize, Move Window, and Resize Window are enabled? |
| 17:40.12 | jelly | paxcoder: just a guess! |
| 17:40.16 | SirTophat | is it possible to build your own internet server and connect to the internet with an ISP? |
| 17:40.23 | SirTophat | without* |
| 17:40.25 | cobra-the-joker | i will now |
| 17:40.30 | paxcoder | jelly: yeah, was mine too, but it's fail. nevermind, will eventually get it ;-) |
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| 17:40.48 | jelly | paxcoder: is the -dev package isntalled? |
| 17:40.50 | \amethyst | SirTophat: you need someone to peer your connections with; usually that would be an ISP |
| 17:41.14 | \amethyst | SirTophat: but someone who's willing to forward traffic between you and the rest of the internet |
| 17:41.23 | abrotman | like \amethyst! |
| 17:41.27 | \amethyst | otherwise you're not on the internet |
| 17:41.35 | paxcoder | jelly: yeah. |
| 17:41.35 | jelly | SirTophat: or the server can be located in a colocation facility with implied internet connectivity |
| 17:41.51 | SirTophat | hm |
| 17:41.57 | Lakche | jelly; but a co-lo is an ISP, technically |
| 17:42.09 | \amethyst | or you might have e.g. a free municipal wi-fi service, but that's still an ISP |
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| 17:42.15 | \amethyst | or a dorm room |
| 17:42.46 | jelly | Lakche: or they employ services of two or more ISPs |
| 17:42.49 | SirTophat | I have to reset for some kernel thing |
| 17:42.50 | SirTophat | brb |
| 17:43.06 | Lakche | jelly; yea true |
| 17:43.14 | cobra-the-joker | yeah ...checked ..not working either |
| 17:43.31 | bbelt16ag | ok I am using open-iscsi +LVM2 +debian lenny 5.0, so create a san for some files.. now I have the iscsi up and running so far, and ia am about to formate the iscsi drive, I was wondering could I add the drive to lvm2 and formate it as ext3 and keep it in my volume group on the client here? or would thae make for some problems when I don't got the pc hosting the physical hard drive up... ?? ? |
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| 17:44.42 | jelly | bbelt16ag: you'd get the same problems as if some other block device used by lvm went missing |
| 17:44.56 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 17:45.19 | bbelt16ag | so I am making its own VG and not gonna use it on my other lvs, |
| 17:45.53 | bbelt16ag | so I could use wake on lan first to start pc then start the iscsi and then lvm vg ? |
| 17:45.55 | Sebboh | Isn't there some utility that will allow me to easily keep my /etc/hosts file in sync across six computers? Having one master is fine. |
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| 17:46.10 | abrotman | NIS .. but that's probably way more complex than you want |
| 17:46.10 | jelly | bbelt16ag: frankly I don't see a point in keeping it under lvm, unless you're going to play with other lvm functionality (snapshots, mirroring, whatever) |
| 17:46.25 | abrotman | Sebboh: why not use something like netbios to do that instead of a hosts file |
| 17:46.25 | bbelt16ag | ok. |
| 17:46.42 | jelly | Sebboh: wait... etc/hosts? |
| 17:46.55 | cobra-the-joker | how can i install 3D acceleration ? |
| 17:46.56 | jelly | Sebboh: this is what a "dns server" is usually used for. |
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| 17:47.04 | Sebboh | abrotman, ... did you read lmhosts or something? :) |
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| 17:47.50 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 17:48.24 | SirTophat | for some reason dist-upgrade removed epiphany. meh, don't need it |
| 17:48.27 | jelly | Sebboh: /etc/nsswitch.conf can be used to make the resolver work in wacky ways... |
| 17:48.27 | Sebboh | Jelly, I have all my machines configured to use the ISP's DNS by default. And I like that. I don't have any single machine that is always on to be a dns server. |
| 17:48.29 | exn | omg, so many people. I hope someone can help me. I can download packages and their deps with ap-get only if this package was not installed. How can I download installed packages with deps ? |
| 17:48.52 | jelly | Sebboh: but you have a need for local name resolution? |
| 17:50.00 | exn | nobody uses apt ? hmm.. very strange :D |
| 17:50.02 | jelly | Sebboh: dedicate a small box for dns recursor + master for your local domain, and make the clients use it |
| 17:50.27 | Sebboh | my hosts file only has ten entries in it, I can easily scp it to all the hosts, I'll just keep doing it that way. |
| 17:50.42 | jelly | Sebboh: scp it from where? |
| 17:50.58 | bbelt16ag | yeah |
| 17:50.59 | Sebboh | From whatever system I'm using when I decided to edit the hosts file. |
| 17:51.01 | joeytwiddle | exn: uninstall it with dpkg, then use apt-get to install it again! |
| 17:51.15 | bbelt16ag | I am just gonna make it a physical ext3 drive on the client |
| 17:51.17 | joeytwiddle | also i think apt-get has --re-install options or something similar |
| 17:51.30 | exn | joeytwiddle nononononono . I don't want to do it. I need only download packages |
| 17:51.32 | exn | no more |
| 17:51.45 | jelly | Sebboh: doesn't sound very maangeable |
| 17:51.49 | bbelt16ag | I am just wanting it for extra storage that I have on the media pc that I don't need |
| 17:51.49 | exn | I use this packages, and I don't want to lose my setting |
| 17:52.00 | module000 | exn: apt-get has an option to download-only |
| 17:52.00 | bbelt16ag | but I am not going to keep it online all the time. |
| 17:52.09 | yoshio | exn: aptitude install xxxx --download-only ??? |
| 17:52.22 | SirTophat | http://pastebin.com/dc95cede |
| 17:52.24 | exn | not works if package already installed |
| 17:52.30 | SirTophat | trying to install the radeonhd |
| 17:52.43 | zeta3 | which package has SDL.h |
| 17:52.45 | jelly | exn: what purpose would the downloaded .deb files serve? |
| 17:53.05 | SirTophat | oh Isee what to do |
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| 17:53.10 | exn | jelly I need to download this packages with deps, and install it manually on other pc |
| 17:53.11 | jelly | zeta3: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:53.14 | yoshio | exn: your downloaded files live in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:53.53 | module000 | exn: tell it to re-install with --download-only then...this is all manpage stuff |
| 17:54.05 | joeytwiddle | what he said |
| 17:54.07 | module000 | exn: did you even read it? |
| 17:54.09 | exn | module000 , now I'll try |
| 17:54.11 | SirTophat | why wouldn't it have just installed xerver core thing by itself when it saw it wasn't there and the package I was installing needed it? |
| 17:54.13 | jelly | exn: how many machines? You can run "apt-get --print-uris install foo" on the other machine to the a list of urls that you can download manually download |
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| 17:54.32 | abrotman | SirTophat: just `aptitude install xorg` |
| 17:54.43 | SirTophat | I did it already |
| 17:54.45 | SirTophat | just wondering |
| 17:54.52 | jelly | exn: [...] to get* a list of URLs [...] |
| 17:54.54 | abrotman | SirTophat: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:54.55 | exn | E: Invalid operation re-install |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | it's `reinstall` |
| 17:55.14 | abrotman | or --reinstall .. depends which tool you're using |
| 17:55.17 | SirTophat | as soon as this is done |
| 17:55.19 | exn | E: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 17:55.32 | abrotman | then you're using apt-get .. so it would be `apt-get --reinstall install foo` |
| 17:55.47 | exn | sudo apt-get -d install --reinstall WORKS ! |
| 17:55.51 | exn | thanks guys |
| 17:55.54 | SirTophat | I saw Vixta on the main page of the linux wiki, maybe I should get that |
| 17:55.54 | exn | i'm happy now |
| 17:56.25 | abrotman | maybe you should focus ... |
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| 17:57.28 | SirTophat | ok, apparently I need to stop gdm to install this |
| 17:57.36 | SirTophat | how would I do that, "kill gdm"? |
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| 17:58.16 | dmoerner | SirTophat, /etc/init.d/gdm stop, as root, preferably from a virtual terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1 first and login) |
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| 17:58.59 | Zharf | anyone knoe of a countdown timer that doesn't depend on gnome/kde/gdesklets? :) |
| 17:59.03 | Zharf | know* |
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| 17:59.38 | jelly | SirTophat: stopping gdm ends a running X session if it was started via gdm. |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | i think he knows that now! |
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| 18:00.15 | jelly | my irc client hides the quit/part messages :-) |
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| 18:01.02 | SirTophat | well that's great, that killed my terminal window with the installation in it. |
| 18:01.15 | jelly | SirTophat: yes, stopping gdm ends a running X session if it was started via gdm. |
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| 18:03.13 | SirTophat | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 18:03.40 | SirTophat | why in the world did nobody say anything about it killing the instalaltion? now I have to fix it |
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| 18:04.07 | SirTophat | oh it did it itself |
| 18:04.08 | SirTophat | meh |
| 18:04.21 | jelly | ... |
| 18:05.03 | izzyb | I'm having problems with a lenny system crashing. The gui becomes unresponsive but I can still ssh from remote. top shows Xorg eating 100% cpu and hald-addon-stor at about 80% and kscd at about 48%. any idea what would cause this? |
| 18:05.31 | SirTophat | brb |
| 18:05.35 | jelly | izzyb: hald-addon-storage eating cpu is an unrelated bug |
| 18:05.48 | izzyb | k, is there a fix for it? |
| 18:06.08 | SirTophat | what was the command to stop that thing |
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| 18:06.22 | SirTophat | something with /etc/???/??? stop |
| 18:06.26 | jelly | izzyb: yeah, kill it and lose usb stick automounting features |
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| 18:06.52 | izzyb | the funny thing is there are no usb devices installed |
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| 18:07.02 | SirTophat | ... |
| 18:07.04 | jelly | izzyb: so you don't need it at all! |
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| 18:07.12 | SirTophat | abrotman |
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| 18:07.17 | Lakche | SirTophat: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | eh who ? |
| 18:07.22 | SirTophat | ok ty |
| 18:07.23 | abrotman | SirTophat: so run that command |
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| 18:07.43 | knoeki | hi, I seem to have a grub issue... when trying to boot the windows entry, GRUB tells me that chainloader is an invalid command... |
| 18:07.46 | error4o4 | i have many files on a server infected with this code: http://pastebin.com/m7968dee7 Is it possible to write some regExp command that would go through the files and clear the code? |
| 18:07.47 | knoeki | rather peculiar. |
| 18:07.48 | izzyb | I also notice this error as the only thing in dmesg sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. |
| 18:07.52 | knoeki | anyone know some kind of fix? |
| 18:07.56 | izzyb | there is no cd in the machine |
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| 18:08.44 | jelly | izzyb: ye olde hald is polling the device to see when a disc is inserted |
| 18:09.16 | jelly | izzyb: I've no idea what "kscd" is... perhaps a KDE thing? |
| 18:09.24 | izzyb | yeah, running kde desktop |
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| 18:10.00 | jelly | izzyb: kill it with fire, see what happens to the X session |
| 18:10.07 | SirTophat | yeah that all looked like it worked |
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| 18:10.21 | SirTophat | but now there's no options for the screen resolution, it's blank |
| 18:10.22 | SirTophat | brb |
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| 18:10.45 | dacs | everytime i do shutdown -r now, my box will boot and wait for me to do Ctrl+D ...and it is realy hard when i am not next to it? how can i fix this please? |
| 18:11.04 | dondelelcaro | dacs: what is asking you to ctrl-d? |
| 18:11.04 | jelly | izzyb: you can lsof -p itspid to see which files it keeps open and somewhat deduce its purpose |
| 18:11.07 | abrotman | a ctrl-d where? |
| 18:11.21 | SirTophat | k |
| 18:11.32 | jelly | dacs: the things written on the screen before that ctrl-d are important. |
| 18:11.32 | dacs | abrotman: when it boots up |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | dacs: is there another message that goes along with it? |
| 18:11.55 | SirTophat | when I go to desktop - preferences - screen resolution it's blank |
| 18:11.57 | SirTophat | the two boxes |
| 18:12.01 | SirTophat | nothing is there |
| 18:12.12 | dondelelcaro | dacs: it's going to say something like "inconsistencies detected, manual fsck required" or something similar |
| 18:12.22 | izzyb | jelly, I think its a cdrom program in the system tray area. I killed it but it doesn't fix the xorg hang |
| 18:12.23 | dacs | jelly: am logged in , i can do dmesg | cgrep -3 +3 "Ctrl+d" no?! |
| 18:12.35 | SirTophat | is /nothing/ going to work on this debian installation |
| 18:12.37 | dondelelcaro | dacs: no, because it's not a kernel message |
| 18:13.00 | jelly | izzyb: if you're using a nonfree driver for xorg, anything can happen :-| |
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| 18:13.28 | jelly | izzyb: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might provide some clues (or it might not) |
| 18:13.41 | izzyb | I don't think I am. This was just a base lenny install with the kde desktop selected |
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| 18:13.58 | jelly | dacs: no. A screenshot of that screen would be appropriate. |
| 18:14.05 | dacs | could it be set to start as a single user |
| 18:14.31 | jelly | dacs: or write it down and paste it in a pastebin |
| 18:14.46 | dacs | jelly: am in Florida, and my box is in cali now, i wont be back untill next fri |
| 18:15.10 | SirTophat | it's installing mozilal flashplayer and it's going to take 30+ minutes apparently. .-. |
| 18:15.17 | jelly | dacs: you've not chosen a good day to ask about local X session woes, then |
| 18:15.40 | abrotman | ctrl-d? xsession? |
| 18:15.51 | jelly | oops! |
| 18:16.00 | Knoeki | hi, I seem to have a grub issue... when trying to boot the windows entry, GRUB tells me that chainloader is an invalid command... rather strange, since it's a fairly standard command in grub to my knowledge. if anyone knows some kind of fix, it'd be muchly appreciated... |
| 18:16.06 | dacs | abrotman: what is that?! |
| 18:16.29 | SirTophat | bbl |
| 18:16.34 | jelly | dacs: sorry, I mixed you up with a different person |
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| 18:16.52 | dacs | jelly: :) happens all the time |
| 18:17.00 | izzyb | /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't have anything related to the video driver which seems odd to me. Xorg.0.log seems to indicate it's using the radeon driver |
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| 18:17.24 | jelly | izzyb: then it probably is. |
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| 18:18.12 | jelly | izzyb: xorg.conf can be emptyish these days, common options are autodetected |
| 18:18.47 | izzyb | ah, that explains why it looks rather empty ;) |
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| 18:19.25 | izzyb | I was wondering how it was being configured. no drivers at all seem to be specified |
| 18:20.15 | izzyb | so, is this likely a bug with the radeon driver? |
| 18:20.55 | dacs | ok is there is a way i can bypass or force it to not check and not to halt in Ctrl+D |
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| 18:21.10 | dacs | but i need to know what it is waiting for :( |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | it's probably a filesystem problem |
| 18:21.29 | izzyb | I have an ati RS690 (Radeon C1200 series) |
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| 18:22.14 | enouf | izzyb: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log (for yourself) man radeon |
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| 18:22.34 | sllide | how do i give a variable a value? |
| 18:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, you can always add to xorg.conf and override the autodetected values if something is autodetected incorrectly |
| 18:22.39 | sllide | like var_something = 0 |
| 18:22.39 | dacs | abrotman: then can i force it to fsck using -F |
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| 18:23.21 | izzyb | enouf, thanks. It's using radeon_drv.so |
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| 18:24.30 | izzyb | googles for bugs re this video card |
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| 18:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, /msg dpkg radeonhd and /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 18:25.26 | tralala | guys, the radeon driver from xorg seems to suggest 3d support for all the chipsets listed. Is that correct? Particularly the rv620/hd3450? |
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| 18:25.59 | omid8bimo | guys, is there any way to recover 2GB of delete video files on my XFS partition in my debian? |
| 18:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, I think it shouldn't be using the 'radeon' one for your card... but the one in xserver-xorg-video-radeonh (or the proprietary one) |
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| 18:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, you might try magicrescue |
| 18:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure how well that works on big files, though |
| 18:26.56 | paxcoder | omid8bimo: ouch. Theoretically yes, most of it anyway, but practically - I couldn't find tools (for ext 2 anyway) |
| 18:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does it's most good for many small files |
| 18:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | omid8bimo, "apt-cache search rescue data" for your other options |
| 18:28.33 | jelly | omid8bimo: how much money are they worth? If more than, say, $400, find a data recovery service |
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| 18:28.53 | bzed | omid8bimo: probably photorec from the testdisk package |
| 18:29.04 | bzed | omid8bimo: bud I'd think your chances are bad |
| 18:29.09 | jelly | omid8bimo: first thing to do, however, is _stop writing on the device now_. Poweroff the machine (with the poweroff button) immediately. |
| 18:29.15 | paxcoder | jelly: for that kind of money, I'll write you a prog myself ;-) |
| 18:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, forgot testdisk |
| 18:29.24 | simonrvn | radeonhd |
| 18:29.36 | jelly | paxcoder: if you could write a decent data recovery app you'd be able to earn more. |
| 18:29.36 | seniorake | assume i use some function which scans lots of stuff in a directory, say, the directory has 10 000 subdirectories ... which takes a few seconds to search and to list the directories. when i do this the second time, just moments after the first time, it goes much quicker |
| 18:29.50 | seniorake | but if i do this a few minutes later, with lots of i/o in the meantime, it takes again a few minutes |
| 18:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, disk content is buffered in RAM until your ram is full |
| 18:30.04 | seniorake | is there some buffer or something involved here which stores or caches this? |
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| 18:30.45 | seniorake | so when RAM is full, the content is replaced by new applications then, therefor lost to the e.g. ls-binary which lists the contents? |
| 18:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell seniorake -about free ram |
| 18:30.58 | simonrvn | seniorake: that's normal |
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| 18:31.32 | seniorake | yes, i would like to know if it is possible to increase some buffer-values here to keep this data (in RAM?) or so for some longer time |
| 18:31.44 | simonrvn | add more ram |
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| 18:32.00 | jelly | seniorake: Linux automatically uses all the free RAM for the disk cache. |
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| 18:32.16 | seniorake | i meant if it is possible to assign say 100MB for this, fixed, which won't be freed for other applications |
| 18:32.18 | simonrvn | a few seconds is not a big deal, either, if it's a large dir anyway |
| 18:32.39 | paxcoder | jelly: It should be easy, really. |
| 18:33.00 | paxcoder | Easier than to write a FS using a spec. |
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| 18:35.08 | omid8bimo | jelly: then what? how can i recover them? |
| 18:35.11 | jelly | seniorake: hm. google for the vm.vfs_cache_pressure (/proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure) tunable |
| 18:35.31 | Spec | paxcoder: especially since I have very little inkling of where I'd go to start writing an FS. |
| 18:35.49 | omid8bimo | CutMeOwnThroat: let me see what's this magicrescue |
| 18:35.59 | jelly | omid8bimo: then reboot, _don't mount that filesystem_, and use some pattern-based recovery utility (like magicrescue) |
| 18:36.20 | paxcoder | Spec: LOL. Nice one. |
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| 18:38.23 | jelly | Spec: tux3 mailing list and their irc logs could be a nice place to start if one really wanted to |
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| 18:38.48 | Spec | jelly: and probably a filesystems class at some sort of university ;) |
| 18:38.56 | jelly | Spec: nah |
| 18:39.11 | Spec | heya...I've got a debian box running Oracle10.2.0.1.0 on an ESX3.5VM, and it ran out of memory last night and the entire system crashed. Debian doesn't really show any records of running out of memory though (i see no oom-killer activity) |
| 18:39.45 | Spec | I would've thought oom-killer would've taken oracle down before the entire system crashed....? |
| 18:39.45 | jelly | Spec: how much RAM does the vm have? swap space? |
| 18:39.57 | Spec | it had over 2 gigs of ram, and 1 gig of swap |
| 18:40.07 | Spec | it went from 80% swap to 100% in a matter of minutes (not hard) |
| 18:40.23 | jelly | Spec: EM running? |
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| 18:40.29 | Spec | yes |
| 18:40.36 | Spec | well, it was, i haven't started it up since last night |
| 18:40.51 | jelly | Spec: shut it down, the java bugger can eat up a lot and you don't have much ram to start with |
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| 18:41.04 | paxcoder | Spec: Wiki on File systems + a book on ext2 should make you able to write one yourself. If you want to be a new Raiser (ungh... you know what I mean), then you'd have to dedicate yourself to it. |
| 18:41.06 | Spec | I added another gig last night, jelly |
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| 18:41.28 | Spec | paxcoder: ext2 isn't journaled though :( |
| 18:41.41 | jelly | Spec: (also, doesn't the oracle installer require to have 1.5 or twice as much swap as ram?) |
| 18:41.42 | Spec | and yeah, not trying to mimic reiser's lifestyle ;) |
| 18:41.53 | Spec | jelly: the oracle installer also requires redhat :( |
| 18:42.02 | paxcoder | Spec: Yes, "Filesystems 2" class should teach you that ;-) |
| 18:42.03 | jelly | that too, but I'm ignoring that bit |
| 18:42.24 | simonrvn | i bet you can fake the fucker out |
| 18:43.24 | Spec | But more swap wouldn't have solved this problem.... |
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| 18:43.24 | Spec | linux would've just taken a longer time to crash |
| 18:43.24 | jelly | simonrvn: or just cut those parts of the script out |
| 18:43.24 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 18:43.24 | Spec | I just don't understand why oom-killer didn't register anything...or why there's just absolutely nothing in the logs before it crashed |
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| 18:44.01 | jelly | Spec: we had an oracle instance swapping out a lot when SGA was oversized (or PGA space undersized, not sure) |
| 18:44.22 | Spec | jelly: we tuned our sga/pga according to EM's recommended values |
| 18:44.24 | jelly | Spec: if you used the 80:20 rule of thumb, might be time to revise |
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| 18:45.07 | jelly | Spec: it's only a tool. how much did it tell you to use? |
| 18:45.14 | Spec | can't remember, em's not runnin' ;) |
| 18:45.23 | jelly | yeah well. :-) |
| 18:45.27 | Spec | let me check init file |
| 18:45.27 | magyar_ | g++ and c++ << is this same thing? |
| 18:45.35 | yetifoot | hi, i'm on sid using 4.2.4 kde, does anyone know what package i need to install to get khotkeys? it used to work, but since some upgrade it stopped, and print scr doesn't launch ksnapshot anymore |
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| 18:45.46 | omid8bimo | hoping to recover his files |
| 18:45.50 | jelly | Spec: if sga > 50% ram, you might be experiencing something similar |
| 18:46.26 | Spec | jelly: am i looking for sga_max_size or sga_target? |
| 18:46.41 | jelly | had an Oracle introductory course just last week ... don't expect too much |
| 18:46.55 | Spec | jelly: i've not been to one course, so you're ahead of the game ;) |
| 18:46.57 | jelly | Spec: sga_target I'd think |
| 18:47.25 | Spec | pga_aggregate_target = 179 megabytes (pga_aggregate_target = 187695104) |
| 18:47.37 | jelly | Spec: that's rather low. |
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| 18:47.53 | Spec | jelly: and sga_target is 300 megs |
| 18:48.04 | Spec | which is the em's recommended amount |
| 18:48.21 | Spec | jelly: would low pga/sga cause oracle to swap more? that doesn't make sense |
| 18:48.33 | jelly | Spec: hmph. pastebin your ipcs output. |
| 18:49.07 | jelly | Spec: it shouldn't, and your values are rather low. |
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| 18:49.20 | Spec | http://dpaste.com/53378/ |
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| 18:49.41 | dv_ | hello. is the command line tool "domainname" available? |
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| 18:49.49 | dv_ | I have a few shellscripts here that call it |
| 18:49.57 | dv_ | but I cant find a package for it |
| 18:50.00 | Spec | dv_: it's in the nis package afaik |
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| 18:51.45 | simonrvn | !+find bin/domainname |
| 18:51.46 | bzed | dv_: use packages.debian.org or apt-file |
| 18:51.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:51.54 | simonrvn | there's a dnsdomainname too |
| 18:51.59 | bzed | .oO(or ask dpkg here...) |
| 18:52.02 | jelly | Spec: so it's using 896MB of shared memory... this is what SGA uses. But it looks different from my instance where there's a huge allocated segment immediately recognizable as sga size. |
| 18:52.06 | simonrvn | in util-linux* IIRC |
| 18:52.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/domainname' (1): (/bin/domainname) in net/nis. |
| 18:52.24 | _abbenormal | hey guys anyone heard of this before on a fresh install login as root and dont have to use a password this is a netinstall |
| 18:52.25 | bzed | hostname: /bin/dnsdomainname |
| 18:52.29 | bzed | simonrvn: ^ |
| 18:52.32 | jelly | Spec: is there any swap usage at present time? |
| 18:52.53 | simonrvn | yeh, in nis package -> domainname |
| 18:52.54 | Spec | jelly: according to free -m, 280 megs used, but i've got 1557 megs of system ram free (1821 used) |
| 18:53.07 | Spec | not sure why it's swapping when i have free memory |
| 18:53.15 | simonrvn | bzed: yes, i wa referring to the package it comes from though |
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| 18:53.57 | bzed | simonrvn: ... hostname. |
| 18:54.07 | simonrvn | 'k ty |
| 18:54.14 | jelly | Spec: Linux' vm is smart and will try swapping out program pages if some buffer/cache pages look more used |
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| 18:54.58 | jelly | Spec: swap usage isn't that important; the act of swapping (in or out) is what makes an app crawl |
| 18:55.09 | Spec | right |
| 18:55.21 | Spec | well, that and swap went to 100% and the system crashed :p |
| 18:55.25 | jelly | Spec: that said, if your normal workload makes swap fill up to 80%, you need more RAM. |
| 18:55.34 | simonrvn | that's why i generally don't touch the kernel vm. settings... also choosing a good scheduler for the main tasks is good |
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| 18:55.52 | simonrvn | like elevator=deadline for db servers and scsi |
| 18:55.54 | LuciusMare | hello,anyone to help me with ssh key auth setting up: |
| 18:56.00 | LuciusMare | *? |
| 18:56.05 | simonrvn | man ssh-key |
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| 18:56.24 | _abbenormal | have you done apt-get install ssh yet it normally makes the key then |
| 18:56.25 | LuciusMare | i checked |
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| 18:56.46 | LuciusMare | _abbenormal: yes,i did but what should i do after that? |
| 18:56.56 | LuciusMare | like,where and what key should i copy... |
| 18:57.06 | _abbenormal | well i would try to ssh into the box |
| 18:57.10 | LuciusMare | and i created a key trough ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 18:57.18 | jelly | LuciusMare: first, what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 18:57.38 | LuciusMare | to make another computer connect me without a password-with a key |
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| 18:58.08 | LuciusMare | but when i try to ssh that box,FRESHLY installed (so no not allowed password) it says ... @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 18:58.12 | Spec | simonrvn: are you referring to the io scheduler? |
| 18:58.20 | izzyb | CutMeOwnThroat, looks like you are right. I should be using radeonhd. so how do I change it? |
| 18:58.31 | jelly | LuciusMare: alright. after that ssh-keygen, you should now have a pair of "~/.ssh/identity*" or "~/.ssh/id_rsa*" files |
| 18:58.37 | LuciusMare | yep |
| 18:58.38 | tralala | LuciusMare, this is pretty well documented. If you search on ssh key authentication you'll find plenty of material. |
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| 18:59.21 | LuciusMare | jelly: i do have the pair |
| 18:59.23 | LuciusMare | what now? |
| 18:59.25 | jelly | LuciusMare: that message means your ssh client has already connected to the machine in past, and the remote machine host key was changed since then. Not related to personal keys. |
| 18:59.30 | Spec | 'cause the data for oracle is located on an nfs mount |
| 18:59.39 | Spec | which is not controlled by linux's i/o scheduler afaik |
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| 18:59.50 | LuciusMare | jelly: yes,i forgot |
| 18:59.52 | Cim | hello |
| 18:59.55 | jelly | Spec: you have .dbf files on nfs? |
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| 19:00.09 | jelly | blinks |
| 19:00.30 | Cim | what i must remove to completly remove proftpd from Debian 5.0? |
| 19:00.41 | Spec | jelly: yeap |
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| 19:00.53 | tralala | Cim, aptitude purge proftpd |
| 19:00.54 | jelly | LuciusMare: you can remove the line it points to from .ssh/known_hosts |
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| 19:01.13 | Spec | jelly: that's about the only place we can store the db |
| 19:01.24 | LuciusMare | jelly: done,and i have copied the key already,but i do not know where to put it in |
| 19:01.59 | jelly | LuciusMare: use the helpful "ssh-copy-id" app to copy the .pub key to the correct place on the remote machine |
| 19:02.43 | Spec | simonrvn: how related is the i/o scheduler to the memory/swap usage? |
| 19:02.46 | jelly | LuciusMare: basically do ssh-copy-id remote_username_if_different_from_local@remotemachine |
| 19:02.51 | Cim | tralala: and all created users like proftpd will be removed? and config files? |
| 19:03.13 | tralala | that's right |
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| 19:03.59 | Cim | tralala: thanx :) |
| 19:04.04 | jelly | Spec: not very, but the choice of it (if you had a local block device) could affect io performance |
| 19:04.26 | LuciusMare | god,i did a freaking total stupid thing |
| 19:04.35 | Spec | as far as i can tell, io performance isn't much of a problem |
| 19:04.36 | LuciusMare | i made a key,to make other box connect to my computer |
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| 19:04.46 | Spec | jelly: no local block devices ;) |
| 19:04.49 | LuciusMare | but now i managed that i can connect to that other computer through that key |
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| 19:04.52 | LuciusMare | agh |
| 19:05.17 | jelly | LuciusMare: you wanted to connect from the remote machine to the local one instead? |
| 19:05.21 | LuciusMare | yes |
| 19:05.32 | jelly | THAT'S NOT WHAT LOCAL AND REMOTE MEAN |
| 19:05.48 | Spec | hehe |
| 19:05.51 | LuciusMare | is confused |
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| 19:06.21 | jelly | anyway, LuciusMare, now do the ssh-keygen and ssh-copy-id on the other machine. ;-) |
| 19:06.26 | edwin_quijada | i need conect to my site uisng sftp by port 10022 but i dont know how set the port for this conection |
| 19:06.45 | *** part/#debian Orveldv (i=orveldv@nic-nac-project.org) |
| 19:06.47 | edwin_quijada | how can I set the port to tell to SFTP to connect by port 10022 |
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| 19:07.33 | Spec | edwin_quijada: man sftp? |
| 19:07.37 | jelly | edwin_quijada: man sftp, search for Port |
| 19:07.54 | Spec | and as a hint, -o is involved |
| 19:08.16 | jelly | let's not spoil it too much, eh |
| 19:08.21 | Spec | oh fine |
| 19:08.37 | edwin_quijada | ?? |
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| 19:09.06 | jelly | this part is where I patiently wait for the user to actually go and read the manual |
| 19:09.18 | edwin_quijada | i read about ssh_config but I think this is for whole server |
| 19:09.21 | edwin_quijada | sshd |
| 19:09.28 | LuciusMare | jelly: can i make a key to connect only one machine while using other key to connect other machine |
| 19:09.32 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 19:09.45 | jelly | LuciusMare: yes you can. |
| 19:10.12 | themill | LuciusMare: yes, you configure it using ~/.ssh/config. man ssh_config |
| 19:10.21 | SirTophat | I installed flash |
| 19:10.26 | SirTophat | finally |
| 19:10.57 | xingu | Spec: how much physical dram does the box have? |
| 19:10.57 | xingu | jelly: why would Spec's ipcs output be showing 3GB shm mappings? |
| 19:10.57 | xingu | s/3GB/32MB/, never mind. |
| 19:11.00 | jelly | LuciusMare: if you're using different keys to connect _to_ different remote servers from a single client, for convenience sake you'll want to look up what themill said (or use commandline options to specify different keys) |
| 19:11.14 | Spec | xingu: the physical box has about 3 gigs of ram |
| 19:11.18 | jelly | xingu: but a lot of those. |
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| 19:11.29 | Spec | 3378 according to free -m |
| 19:11.29 | SirTophat | another problem I found though, when I plug in headphones it's not recognized that they were plugged in and sounds still go out of the built in speakers |
| 19:11.32 | jelly | 896MB worth of |
| 19:12.28 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 19:12.39 | xingu | Spec: what makes you think it was oracle that bloated and boomed? |
| 19:12.40 | jelly | xingu: I expected a single large shm, since that's what sga looks like on our oracle instances |
| 19:13.00 | jelly | bet it's different on i386 and amd64. |
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| 19:13.35 | Spec | xingu: that's practically the only thing that runs on the box |
| 19:13.40 | Spec | xingu: and certainly the only thing that uses lots of memory |
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| 19:13.59 | jelly | Spec: except for the few bloated java servlets like EM |
| 19:14.06 | Spec | right, it could've been EM |
| 19:14.29 | woshfdwo | can i use chroot to uninstall a package that is causing a conflict on a system i cant boot into using a livecd? |
| 19:14.34 | Spec | I'm really just curious as to why oom-killer didn't kill off oracle/em/isqlplus/etc instead of completely flatout dying |
| 19:14.46 | Spec | woshfdwo: yes, it is possible. |
| 19:14.48 | jelly | Spec: switch off EM, monitor RAM and swap usage, set up alerts, and see if it happens again |
| 19:14.55 | Spec | jelly: i do that. |
| 19:15.02 | Spec | Em is off, i monitor ram and swap, and have alerts |
| 19:15.10 | diffred | I cannot write to my external USB harddrive, it keeps saying read-only filesystem, even logged as root. What can I do? |
| 19:15.14 | Spec | i got alerted at >80%, and it crashed within 5 minutes (before i could login to vpn/systems) |
| 19:15.14 | Kuifje111 | jelly: i've managed to get it stably transfering at 15 mb/s, but that is really the max which i can get out of it plus it achieves those speeds only sporadically. |
| 19:15.18 | guysoft42 | needs a ext3 expert. something went worng with his HD with no good reason |
| 19:15.20 | LuciusMare | i am getting mad of the public key auth thing |
| 19:15.50 | jelly | Spec: you're all set then :-) I'd add two gigs more swap, and lower the swap alert threshold to say 30-50% |
| 19:15.51 | LuciusMare | i made a key on local,with no passphrase,copied it to the remote and then i tried connecting to it |
| 19:15.53 | Spec | jelly: what cpu arch do yo use? |
| 19:15.58 | LuciusMare | it want a password! |
| 19:16.09 | Kuifje111 | jelly: this is the output of "ethtool eth0": http://pastebin.com/d4b90b76 |
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| 19:16.29 | jelly | Spec: amd64 (and... most of our instances are on RHEL) |
| 19:16.34 | Kuifje111 | jelly: it says its on 1gbit, so i suppose that is true. |
| 19:16.36 | Spec | ah, i'm on a xeon |
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| 19:16.54 | jelly | Spec: oh, I thought you meant debian arch. |
| 19:16.55 | noah76 | Hi |
| 19:17.01 | jelly | Spec: intel cpus as well. |
| 19:17.08 | Spec | jelly: oh, 64bit though? |
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| 19:17.11 | jelly | right |
| 19:17.15 | Spec | for oracle? |
| 19:17.17 | xingu | Spec: are you just running OEM as a standalone GUI, or have you set up the full shebang oracle instance and all? |
| 19:17.18 | jelly | yes. |
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| 19:17.29 | Kuifje111 | jelly: and it shouldnt be a lack of CPU power I think, because it only consumes 50% cpu power when transfering at 12 mb/s |
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| 19:17.36 | Spec | xingu: OEM as a standalone gui? |
| 19:17.47 | xingu | Spec: there's two parts to it, it's client/ server. |
| 19:17.51 | jelly | Kuifje111: sorry, did you paste an dmesg|grep eth? |
| 19:17.56 | jelly | Kuifje111: I missed it |
| 19:18.05 | Spec | xingu: we're running the whole shebang. |
| 19:18.05 | Kuifje111 | jelly: no, forgot that one |
| 19:18.18 | Spec | xingu: gah, oem meaning oracle enterprise manager, and not original equipment manufacturer -.- |
| 19:18.21 | Kuifje111 | jelly: could that provide some extra useful information? |
| 19:18.32 | jelly | Kuifje111: sometimes ethtool lies. |
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| 19:18.44 | Kuifje111 | jelly: all right. |
| 19:18.47 | xingu | Spec: right; so here's a wild thought, you've only tuned sga on your production database and you've left it as defaults for the OEM instance? |
| 19:18.56 | xingu | Spec: ... and quite possibly some of the other instances? |
| 19:19.14 | Spec | OEM instance being oracle enterprise manager? which is not running now |
| 19:19.23 | Kuifje111 | jelly: but the times i executed "dmesg|grep eth" it didnt say anything about the transfer speed. |
| 19:19.33 | Spec | I thought OEM was just a java application? what other instances would there be? |
| 19:19.37 | Kuifje111 | jelly: or anything related to the speed. |
| 19:19.42 | jelly | Kuifje111: since your link seems to be up and running, try testing it with iperf instead of an actual file transfer |
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| 19:20.02 | Kuifje111 | jelly: all right. |
| 19:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, install the package the factoid told you to and edit xorg.conf to use the other module |
| 19:20.17 | Kuifje111 | jelly: be right back. |
| 19:20.22 | jelly | Kuifje111: no "link up" messages? Oh well, could be driver specific output. |
| 19:20.29 | xingu | Spec: yes, that; OEM _can be_ a full bore client/ server thing, where the server deals with scheduled jobs, acts as a TNS proxy, all sorts of fun things. |
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| 19:20.53 | izzyb | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, looks like its already installed. I'm trying to find the config details for the xorg.conf file now |
| 19:21.18 | diffred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.20 | xingu | Spec: what's puzzling me (and I suspect jelly) is where those other shm mappings (the 32MB ones) are coming from; my first question is - are there more than one oracle instance here? |
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| 19:21.28 | Spec | xingu: nope |
| 19:21.46 | Spec | the default orcl instance doesn't run..there's only one instance running |
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| 19:22.48 | Spec | xingu: isqlplus is running, not sure if that's relevant. |
| 19:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, or go for fglrx... if you want 3d acceleration, that's better anyway |
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| 19:23.47 | xingu | Spec: it's just possible that ipc clients are grabbing a 32MB shm mapping; if we count isqlplus as one, how many other client processes (handling requests) do you have running? |
| 19:24.15 | izzyb | This is just a basic office computer. no need for 3d acceleration. Just basic desktop and web services |
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| 19:24.23 | xingu | Spec: (nb, I certainly have seen the OEM GUI gobble memory before keeling over) |
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| 19:24.37 | diffred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.39 | Spec | xingu: which processes are those? the oracleSID (LOCAL=NO) processes? or the ora_pmon_sid, ora_psp0_sid, etc processes? |
| 19:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | diffred, mount /dev/yourdrive -o remount,rw ; check for errors in dmesg - if it's not automatically mounted rw, there's probably a problem and you should run fdisk (for ntfs you might need the windows chkdsk) |
| 19:25.00 | xingu | Spec: oracleSID will do; are there any which are LOCAL=YES ? |
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| 19:25.09 | Spec | xingu: no |
| 19:25.11 | mischief | anyone know how i can change my default file permissions so that it's always at least o-wrx ? |
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| 19:25.17 | xingu | Spec: how many LOCAL=NO's are there? |
| 19:25.18 | diffred | CutMeOwnThroat, but if I do that I will lose my data? |
| 19:25.20 | Spec | xingu: 21 |
| 19:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, umask |
| 19:25.31 | Spec | xingu: err, 20 |
| 19:25.35 | Spec | xingu: not counting the grep LOCAL ;) |
| 19:25.37 | xingu | Spec: that's the right sort of ballpark |
| 19:25.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | diffred, only the one you already lost |
| 19:25.57 | xingu | Spec: ... to explain 26-odd 32MB mappings in ipcs -m |
| 19:26.02 | jelly | 0x1705e4e8 32769 oracle 640 7518289920 240 <- an 8GiB SGA for an instance on an amd64 machine |
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| 19:26.21 | Spec | xingu: so each instance is only mapping 32 megs? |
| 19:26.28 | Spec | and how does this relate to the sga? |
| 19:26.36 | xingu | jelly: if you start a sqlplus connect to that instance remotely (using TCPIP) do you grow a shared memory mapping? |
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| 19:27.16 | jelly | xingu: no, else there already would be tens of small mappings |
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| 19:27.46 | jelly | xingu: there are only 4-5 large ones, which seem to pretty much correspond to 4 running instances |
| 19:27.48 | xingu | Spec: different things for different purposes; the SGA is the inter-process communication between things like the log writer, the archive process, etc etc |
| 19:28.04 | WormFood | what do I set as a user to tell the system to search an additional directory for libs? I have done this before, but can't fuckin' remember what that setting name is |
| 19:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, (help umask in bash) |
| 19:28.35 | xingu | Spec: can you get across that same test too? create a new tcpip based connect to your instance; it should result in another LOCAL=NO process and another shm mapping in ipcs -m |
| 19:28.39 | Spec | xingu: ipcs -p -> lpid is the PID associated with the mapped shared memory? |
| 19:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:29.22 | OpenTokix | finaly got conntrack down to manageable levels, 270k conntrack entries |
| 19:29.23 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 19:29.26 | xingu | Spec: try cpid instead |
| 19:29.36 | WormFood | were are the docs for this? I searched for "LD" on EVERYTHING, and can't find shit |
| 19:29.45 | xingu | (neat, I didn't know linux's mm tracked this) |
| 19:29.56 | Spec | xingu: heh, there's no PID associated with the cpid |
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| 19:30.08 | xingu | Spec: and the lpid? |
| 19:30.09 | Spec | but there is a PID (ps aux) associated with the lpid |
| 19:30.19 | Spec | xingu: it's the ora_j000_sid process |
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| 19:30.32 | jelly | disconnects a client instead, to see the LOCAL=NO process number fall by one |
| 19:30.34 | Spec | all of the segments have the same lpid |
| 19:30.38 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, are these settings persistent? |
| 19:30.42 | abrotman | WormFood: man ld.so |
| 19:30.45 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the reminder |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | i think is what you awnt |
| 19:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, just do export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/your/new/libdir/:/your/other/new/libdir/ - what additional docu do you need? |
| 19:30.48 | mischief | i have set "umask u=rwx,g=rx,o=" which accomplished what i want i think |
| 19:31.03 | Kuifje111 | jelly: here is the "dmesg | grep eth" output: http://pastebin.com/d6c51a701 |
| 19:31.06 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, I know how to do it, I just couldn't remember the name of the tag |
| 19:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, you can set it in .profile/.bashrc |
| 19:31.16 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, in fact, I've already done it :P |
| 19:31.31 | diffred | CutMeOwnThroat, mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 19:31.35 | jelly | Kuifje111: how did iperf fare? |
| 19:31.36 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, and this will take effect for all processes i run, like nano? |
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| 19:32.07 | xingu | Spec: are *all* the 32MB mappings last touched by ora_j000 ? |
| 19:32.11 | Kuifje111 | jelly: havent used it yet, first need to install therefore i need to change a lot wires again and some settings. |
| 19:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, it will take effect for everything that doesn't set stricter permissions itself... is's a mask |
| 19:32.13 | jelly | Kuifje111: quick usage: run "iperf -s" on remote side, run "iperf servername" locally |
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| 19:32.29 | Spec | xingu: i see a new LOCAL=NO with sqlplus localhost:1521 |
| 19:32.34 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, alright, thanks |
| 19:32.35 | Spec | xingu: but no knew oracle-owned ipcs lines |
| 19:32.40 | Spec | err, s/knew/new |
| 19:32.44 | Kuifje111 | jelly: is it also available for windows? |
| 19:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, it's in "man ld" |
| 19:32.49 | Spec | xingu: yes |
| 19:32.52 | jelly | Kuifje111: yes. |
| 19:33.04 | Spec | xingu: heh, the lpid just changed, but it's the same process |
| 19:33.06 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 19:33.18 | WormFood | ok, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 19:33.20 | jelly | Kuifje111: you could either enable remote desktop on the windows side, or install openssh-server on the linux side, so you wouldn't have to switch the console back and forth |
| 19:33.31 | xingu | Spec: ok, this is good; google says ora_j000_ is the job scheduler; if your application is scheduling stuff this would explain what's happening. |
| 19:33.32 | WormFood | maybe I'll be able to remember that next time I need that feature |
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| 19:33.46 | Javi-K | can I delete boot.ini and Bootfont.ini from an NTFS partition I have mounted in linux ??? It hasn't got Windows installed, it only has that format... Any help will be appreciated :) Thanks!!! |
| 19:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in there ONCE |
| 19:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:33.56 | Kuifje111 | jelly: the linux box doesnt have a desktop environment installed. |
| 19:33.58 | xingu | Spec: in theory if you spied on the (system) JOB$ table you should be able to see them in flight |
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| 19:34.16 | jelly | Kuifje111: I think that's literally impossible! |
| 19:34.16 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't seem to have taken effect, files are still being made with o+r |
| 19:34.28 | Spec | xingu: so does it make sense to have 27 32 meg shared memory segments? |
| 19:34.31 | Kuifje111 | jelly: why is that? |
| 19:34.39 | xingu | Spec: it also might offer up an explanation - the system *might've* died after scheduling too many jobs in one hit |
| 19:34.46 | jelly | Kuifje111: windows only has a desktop, doesn't it |
| 19:34.48 | Spec | xingu: why doesn't my system have sga memmory mapped like jelly's does? |
| 19:34.57 | xingu | Spec: it would if there were 27 jobs running :) |
| 19:35.06 | Kuifje111 | jelly: i was referring to the linux pc. |
| 19:35.09 | jelly | Spec: my guess is "it's 32bit" |
| 19:35.19 | xingu | Spec: it does, the sga mapping is the 8MB mapping |
| 19:35.23 | jelly | Kuifje111: oh. sorry, I misread |
| 19:35.26 | Spec | jelly: that would be a reasonable guess i suppose |
| 19:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, umask 0027 |
| 19:35.48 | Spec | xingu: oh...even though sga_target is much higher than 8 megs? o.O |
| 19:35.54 | jelly | Kuifje111: you could get nasty and install cygwin-sshd on the windows machine too |
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| 19:36.03 | Spec | xingu: hmm, there are no scheduled jobs (afaik) at the time it crashed |
| 19:36.06 | xingu | Spec: it'll grow to that bound I suspect |
| 19:36.13 | Spec | xingu: reasonale |
| 19:36.15 | Spec | reasonable* evne. |
| 19:36.15 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, won't that set o+rwx..? |
| 19:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, fscking try it? It's a *mask* |
| 19:36.34 | xingu | Spec: well I have two guesses; one, likely, OEM console swelled up and croaked |
| 19:36.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | like a sieve... or a stamp |
| 19:36.42 | Spec | xingu: this system fluctuates in memory usage soooo much. earlier in the conversation there was 100 megs free, now there's a gig free... |
| 19:36.44 | xingu | Spec: second, less likely, you got buried in jobs |
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| 19:37.30 | xingu | Spec: totally depends on what those jobs are actually *doing* - there will in addition to the shm mappings be associated anon mem mappings |
| 19:37.48 | xingu | Spec: pmap -x should show the latter |
| 19:38.14 | Kuifje111 | jelly: ugh, iperf requires java, doesnt it? i rather not polute my system with that. |
| 19:38.21 | jelly | Kuifje111: no. |
| 19:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, all bit set in the mask are removed from the permission |
| 19:38.33 | jelly | Kuifje111: it's a simple commandline tool |
| 19:38.40 | jelly | Spec: btw what is sga_max_size set to? |
| 19:38.43 | Kuifje111 | ok then |
| 19:38.51 | Kuifje111 | i saw a jar, so i thought i'd need java |
| 19:38.57 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, so it xor's the permissions, i didn't realize that |
| 19:38.59 | xingu | Spec: the 32MB shm mapping will merely be inter-process-communication between the instance and the scheduled job (which is ora_j000_... and its children) |
| 19:39.04 | jelly | Kuifje111: for windows, you download an iperf.exe and use it afair |
| 19:39.14 | Kuifje111 | yes, found it |
| 19:39.16 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, i simply set umask u=rwx,g=rx,o-rwx which fixed it though :\ |
| 19:39.23 | jelly | xingu: where's his 300MB sga then. |
| 19:39.38 | Spec | jelly: 314572800 |
| 19:39.39 | xingu | Spec: ie, it'll be a fixed cost; the variable cost will be whatever heap the task burns as it works |
| 19:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, that's the same as umask 0027 |
| 19:40.18 | mischief | oh, haha |
| 19:40.21 | jelly | Spec: hm. So what's being allocated as 896MB shm, that is a question. |
| 19:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, and it's not xoring them... that would toggle it on also |
| 19:40.45 | xingu | jelly, spec: note this was the exact size of your last pastebinned ipcs -m - 32: 0x70509430 950301 oracle 640 31457280 37 |
| 19:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | which would be chaotic |
| 19:41.18 | xingu | jelly: are you getting 896MB by adding up all the 32MB mappings? |
| 19:41.20 | jelly | xingu: give or take a 0 |
| 19:41.28 | Spec | lawl |
| 19:41.30 | jelly | xingu: yes... I counted them. :-) |
| 19:41.30 | xingu | oh, right. |
| 19:41.37 | Spec | xingu: give or take an 0 indeedy :p |
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| 19:42.00 | jelly | doesn't know how to count |
| 19:42.23 | xingu | jelly: the sga would _not_ be associated with ora_j000 |
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| 19:42.31 | xingu | jelly: it would be associated with say log0 |
| 19:42.56 | jelly | xingu: it would be associated with most background processes, afaict |
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| 19:43.06 | xingu | jelly: but not the job scheduler |
| 19:43.07 | debianian | Is there a debian lenny installation guide for java 3d? |
| 19:43.11 | jelly | whether they use it or not... |
| 19:43.12 | Spec | xingu, jelly, every single one of these ipcs -p are all associated with the j00 process |
| 19:43.43 | xingu | Spec: how about if you look at cpid |
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| 19:44.00 | Spec | xingu: they're all teh same cpid's |
| 19:44.04 | Spec | xingu: except of course that root process |
| 19:44.04 | jelly | mmm, how did you take a look at that? |
| 19:44.15 | Spec | xingu: the cpid doesn't correlate with any running process on teh system |
| 19:44.16 | izzyb | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks. I have the system running with radeonhd now and all seems to be well. Hopefully that fixes the problem for the user. |
| 19:44.51 | izzyb | now, do I have to worry about debian updates reverting to the radeon driver? |
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| 19:44.58 | Javi-K | re |
| 19:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief, it really is a mask... you start out with the permissions the process wants - then it's like a sieve with some holes blocked... if a bit in the mask is 0, the permission from the process passes unchanged, if the bit in the mask is 1, it doesn't, i.e. it is set to 'off' |
| 19:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, and now you'll notice you need 3D acceleration and need to switch to fglrx... wait for it... in 5 days time... |
| 19:45.43 | mischief | hmm, i see |
| 19:45.58 | xingu | Spec: it seems more than a coincidence that the last mapping is the exact same size - one order of magnitude out - as your configured sga; and that it's the only mapping to have a key. |
| 19:46.04 | mischief | CutMeOwnThroat, i wanna set these cause i will be in a multi-user environment here shortly, wanna protect my stuff :p |
| 19:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, no, if your xorg.conf is modified it'll not be changed without prompting you |
| 19:46.22 | izzyb | thanks. I see that now |
| 19:46.34 | xingu | jelly: if you look in ipcs -p, does either cpid or lpid map to any running process? |
| 19:46.36 | jelly | xingu: this looks as if it's normal: oracle 8824 1 0 21:45 ? 00:00:00 ora_j001_HRPROD |
| 19:46.50 | Spec | xingu: the lpid process constantly changes (as does the ora_j00 process) |
| 19:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | izzyb, Debian is quite particular about that in general... you can /msg dpkg confmiss if you're interested |
| 19:47.00 | Spec | the lpid process is constantly changing to reflect the ora_j00 process |
| 19:47.08 | xingu | nods |
| 19:47.56 | jelly | Spec: possibly because new job processes are fired off every now and then and are the last to attach the segment(s) |
| 19:48.05 | Spec | would make sense |
| 19:48.34 | xingu | jelly: 1/ are your lpid's constantly updating too, 2/ do they all point at the same process, 3/ do your cpid's point at any running process? |
| 19:48.47 | jelly | all the other processes have attached them before and would not appear in lpid; unfortunately is seems all cpids are gone |
| 19:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually what I dislike most about apt is the pinning... that could work a lot better (although I'm not sure in detail yet, how) |
| 19:49.11 | xingu | jelly, spec: we're offtopic here, where should we move to? |
| 19:49.13 | jelly | xingu: not constantly, every now and then lpids change |
| 19:49.21 | jelly | #debian-offtopic |
| 19:49.21 | Spec | xingu: ##spec? |
| 19:49.24 | Spec | 'k |
| 19:49.29 | xingu | picks spec's |
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| 19:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 19:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | its all so quiet.... (sing) |
| 19:51.05 | adb | a net ot ? |
| 19:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports |
| 19:51.16 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | still french |
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| 19:52.27 | adb | new* style |
| 19:53.11 | Kuifje111 | jelly: how to enable dhcp? when i execute "ifconfig eth0 dhcp start" i get an error. |
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| 19:53.55 | jelly | Kuifje111: you'll have to use /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:54.41 | Kuifje111 | ah, i see. |
| 19:54.45 | ajavid | i woke up again |
| 19:54.54 | ajavid | hi |
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| 19:57.25 | hellues | stupid debian |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | stupid user |
| 19:57.36 | abrotman | :) |
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| 19:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, up! up! not start ... and dhcp is not an option for ifconfig... (see what jelly said) |
| 19:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, debian is as stupid as who's sitting in front of it? |
| 19:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... that's quite stupid in some cases... |
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| 19:58.51 | Kuifje111 | hehe |
| 19:59.07 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: itym up up and away |
| 19:59.11 | Kuifje111 | debian is something to be utilized, so obviously. |
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| 19:59.15 | hellues | no relatiıon |
| 19:59.18 | hellues | CutMeOwnThroat, |
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| 19:59.45 | hellues | there are three release lenny squeeze sid |
| 20:00.03 | hellues | same program doesnt open in three release because of same reason |
| 20:00.04 | abrotman | always runs out of fingers |
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| 20:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupid knife... it cut me - the design is all wrong - the sharp edge belongs on the other side! |
| 20:00.19 | abrotman | hellues: which program? did you check the BTS? |
| 20:00.29 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 20:00.29 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... |
| 20:00.30 | hellues | iceweasel |
| 20:00.33 | hellues | galeon |
| 20:00.33 | valdyn | hellues: ^^^ |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | uhm .. works fine for me |
| 20:00.37 | hellues | epiphany |
| 20:00.55 | abrotman | two of those three work fine for me |
| 20:00.55 | valdyn | !tell hellues -about ask |
| 20:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | tries to count up to "one program" but arrives at several |
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| 20:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, wanna do the bobbit factoid or wait until everything becomes clear |
| 20:01.39 | dalias | is there any installer package to download and install official firefox, but still have it tracked thru package system so it can get set as default browser, etc |
| 20:01.40 | abrotman | i'd settle for something resembling an error |
| 20:01.44 | themill | hellues: do you think you really are the only person in debian to try to use iceweasel? |
| 20:01.50 | abrotman | dalias: maybe stow or checkinstall |
| 20:02.04 | hellues | Version: 3.0.6-1 |
| 20:02.05 | valdyn | dalias: whats wrong with iceweasel? |
| 20:02.05 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.07 | dalias | i've gotten sick of iceweasel being outdated and broken |
| 20:02.23 | dalias | and of windows users sittign down at my computer and saying "wtf is iceweasel?" |
| 20:02.23 | themill | votes for pebkac 99.9% of the time and is right 99.8% of the time |
| 20:02.24 | valdyn | dalias: just untar the firefox tar.gz somewhere |
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| 20:02.31 | abrotman | hellues: we need the *error* |
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| 20:02.34 | hellues | themill, so silly question |
| 20:02.41 | hellues | thre is o error |
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| 20:02.45 | hellues | just not wworking |
| 20:02.50 | hellues | i try from terminal |
| 20:02.50 | abrotman | did you try safe mode? |
| 20:02.56 | dalias | valdyn, yeah but then it won't show up in desktop menus, sensible-browser, etc |
| 20:03.06 | valdyn | dalias: no it wont |
| 20:03.16 | hellues | yes |
| 20:03.23 | abrotman | you can make it show up |
| 20:03.27 | hellues | abrotman, |
| 20:03.29 | Sark23 | anyone a idea how i convert a arabic text file from right-to-left in left-to-right ? |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | dalias: not something i want to fix, because iceweasel is neither broken nor outdated |
| 20:03.37 | dalias | so i was wondering if anyone made a dummy package to maek it show up |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | dalias: or you could just rename the menu item to read 'firefox' |
| 20:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, guess you can apt-get source iceweasel , remove all the patches then run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | hellues: did you try running it from an xterm ? |
| 20:03.54 | hellues | if you work a program from terminak you see lots of message righ ? |
| 20:04.01 | hellues | yes |
| 20:04.03 | dalias | iceweasel is 3.0.x with no webfonts support |
| 20:04.06 | dalias | that = outdated |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | wonders what webfonts are |
| 20:04.23 | dalias | cutmeownthroat, it'd still be outdated |
| 20:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh, another last-version hellhound |
| 20:04.30 | dalias | abrotman, css @font-face |
| 20:04.34 | themill | !versionsmite dalias |
| 20:04.34 | dpkg | upgrades dalias to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 20:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 20:04.36 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | dalias: uhm .. pretty sure i use that here .. on iceweasel .. but if you say so |
| 20:05.02 | hellues | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libjemalloc.so: no debian package |
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| 20:05.14 | abrotman | dpkg: find libjemalloc.so lenny |
| 20:05.17 | dalias | @font-face was added in 3.0 for windows, but only in 3.1 for unix |
| 20:05.21 | abrotman | dalias: did you try a non-gecko browser ? |
| 20:05.56 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.57 | jelly | abrotman: webfonts sound a bit like msttcorefonts |
| 20:06.01 | dalias | i just want a sensible way of making latest firefox play nice with debian |
| 20:06.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libjemalloc.so' (2): (/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so) in devel/xulrunner-1.9 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so) in libdevel/xulrunner-1.9-dbg. |
| 20:06.07 | dalias | jelly, no |
| 20:06.07 | abrotman | hellues: once is enough .. |
| 20:06.15 | dalias | webfonts is the popular name for @font-face |
| 20:06.15 | hellues | sorry |
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| 20:06.21 | abrotman | hellues: sounds like you should reinstall the xulrunner-1.9 package and try again |
| 20:06.30 | valdyn | webfonts works fine |
| 20:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, then do the apt-get source bit, remove the patches, untar your new firefox instead of the old on, fix possible problems and build the package |
| 20:06.33 | gomiam | hello again. |
| 20:06.35 | valdyn | how did you fuck it up? |
| 20:06.36 | dalias | a part of css that's been around for ages but browser vendors refused to support until very recently |
| 20:06.47 | jelly | dalias: I'm css clueless |
| 20:06.52 | gomiam | I'm still fighting my network problems :) |
| 20:07.12 | themill | dalias: I'm guessing that I don't care in that case. |
| 20:07.13 | dalias | cutmeownthroat, why would i want to compile it?? there are perfectly good binaries that run fine on debian; i just want a package to make them integrate nicely |
| 20:07.40 | valdyn | dalias: how did you break iceweasel? |
| 20:07.44 | dalias | themill, @font-face is what will eventually make all the webmonkeys stop using images for headings |
| 20:07.50 | dalias | now does it sound interesting? :) |
| 20:07.52 | gomiam | I'm trying now to avoid loading a kernel module, but I can't tell mkinitrd to avoid loading it in the initrd file and I can't use blacklists to make modprobe, udev or hotplug not pay attention to it |
| 20:08.03 | ajavid | dalias, thats old news |
| 20:08.08 | abrotman | dalias: that's crazy talk .. they all use flash :) |
| 20:08.10 | dalias | its not news |
| 20:08.16 | ajavid | old old old |
| 20:08.19 | ajavid | very old |
| 20:08.23 | dalias | but apparently themill doesnt know anything about it |
| 20:08.24 | ajavid | and yes it was news at one pointi too. |
| 20:08.26 | themill | dalias: not really. The ability to specify a typeface has been around for a very long time |
| 20:08.26 | dalias | so iwas explaining |
| 20:08.26 | gomiam | I'm getting a bit pissed off, to be true. Does anyone know how on earth can I prevent 8139too and 8139cp from loading? |
| 20:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, you have been given 6 different solutions now, if you like none, you must definitely use your own |
| 20:08.36 | hellues | Å am purgin xulrunner and debian removes 334 packages |
| 20:08.38 | hellues | nqdfnwndfw |
| 20:08.43 | dalias | themill, yes as long as the font is installed on the user's machine |
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| 20:08.46 | dalias | that's almost useless |
| 20:08.56 | dalias | you can pick from "sans", "mono", and "serif" |
| 20:08.57 | dalias | yay |
| 20:09.02 | ajavid | listen man |
| 20:09.04 | jelly | gomiam: I suppose you were told about /msg dpkg blacklist ? |
| 20:09.12 | ajavid | dalias, what is your debian related support question? |
| 20:09.16 | dalias | @font-face is for dynamic font downloading |
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| 20:09.18 | ajavid | dalias, please get on with it. |
| 20:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellues, he said reinstall, not purge |
| 20:09.26 | themill | dalias: And this instead allows random authors to embed megabytes of fonts in their pages? I'm quite happy not having that enabled as I said. |
| 20:09.48 | dalias | ajavid, my question is if anyone can help me with how to integrate latest firefox binaries with debian well |
| 20:10.04 | dalias | for example, make it appear in the desktop menus, alternatives system, etc. |
| 20:10.05 | ajavid | we do not and will not support firefox |
| 20:10.07 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 20:10.07 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 20:10.10 | valdyn | dalias: ^^^ |
| 20:10.14 | ajavid | dalias, you're on your own. |
| 20:10.28 | valdyn | dalias: the fact that nobody did it yet should tell you something |
| 20:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid/valdyn, I already told him - but that's not good enough either |
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| 20:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess he doesn't want advice, but just wants to bicker |
| 20:10.48 | macrobat | making a menu item is easy, even i can do it |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | dalias: the alternatives system is easy .. the menu system isn't awful |
| 20:11.26 | ajavid | start by using the ubuntu deb as a starting piotn. see how they did things, and then modify them to suit your needs |
| 20:11.27 | jelly | by all means, let's make a firefox-installer even if Mozilla wants us not to |
| 20:11.34 | ajavid | get the firefos source from there |
| 20:11.40 | ajavid | we only have and support iceweasel |
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| 20:12.05 | jelly | ajavid: no need for source, the point is to integrate their binary |
| 20:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it's easy to get the source and delete all patches |
| 20:12.14 | ajavid | i mean the source package |
| 20:12.26 | ajavid | see where its menu entries alternatives etc. icons other thigns are stored |
| 20:12.28 | dalias | the point is having latest version |
| 20:12.32 | ajavid | not quite sure what he watns tno integreate |
| 20:12.32 | dalias | not removing the debian patches |
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| 20:12.37 | ajavid | what specifically are you looking for? |
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| 20:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | the menu system |
| 20:12.46 | ajavid | what integration poitns? |
| 20:12.48 | dalias | the only debian patch i'd like to remove is the namechange, but that's a petty detail that really doesnt matter |
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| 20:13.02 | dalias | i'm looking for alternatives & desktop menu system mainly |
| 20:13.11 | dalias | so apps that want to open a browser window will find and run it |
| 20:13.16 | Kuifje | jelly: here are the results of the iperf application: http://pastebin.com/d3af725b5 |
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| 20:13.30 | ajavid | oh my god |
| 20:13.32 | ajavid | this is so trivial |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | that's just silly .. edit the menu item and change the name if it's really that bothersom |
| 20:13.42 | ajavid | are you serious man? |
| 20:13.46 | ajavid | like... for real? |
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| 20:13.57 | ajavid | anyway, I'm done. |
| 20:14.01 | Kuifje | jelly: according to those results i should be able to get at least 20 MB/s via FTP. |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | am i serious that he should change it .. i think it's pretty petty .. but it's not my system |
| 20:14.07 | jelly | Kuifje: yeah, you won't get much more than these... 160-230 Mbps = 20-28MB/s |
| 20:14.12 | ajavid | abrotman, not you, him |
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| 20:14.36 | Kuifje | jelly: yes, but the point is that my max via ftp is ~12-14 mb/s. |
| 20:14.38 | gomiam | jelly: oops, forgot the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:14.49 | jelly | Kuifje: when you account for increased cpu usage and disk bottleneck... 20MB/s is going to be an exercise in tuning |
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| 20:15.20 | jelly | Kuifje: what's the cpu usage when iperf is running? |
| 20:15.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... newest firefox is 3.0.10, squeeze hast 3.0.9 ... that's soooooooooooo old |
| 20:15.23 | dalias | abrotman, *arrg* |
| 20:15.30 | dalias | this is not about name changing for $()*%()$S sake |
| 20:15.38 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: SECURITY BUGS!!!1!! |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | dalias: you said it was! |
| 20:15.40 | Kuifje | jelly: ~80% at it's max. |
| 20:15.42 | dalias | no |
| 20:15.46 | abrotman | <dalias> the only debian patch i'd like to remove is the namechange, but that's a petty detail that |
| 20:15.49 | ajavid | also, keep in mind that when you do use firefox, you have to make sure you fully integrate it, otherwise plugins/addons installed via apt/aptitude will not register with your firefox |
| 20:15.53 | dalias | abrotman, yes. |
| 20:15.58 | xdanx77 | Hello and good evening. Could someone enligthen me why /etc/pam.d/cron is using a capital log file like CRON ? is this a feature or a bug ? |
| 20:16.03 | jelly | Kuifje: and that's _without_ any disk accessing |
| 20:16.09 | dalias | abrotman, that statement said it'd be *nice* to remove the namechange, but that's totally aside from the point |
| 20:16.15 | dalias | the point is using 3.1.x not 3.0.x |
| 20:16.18 | abrotman | dalias: anyways .. menu-xdg and update-alternatives have documentation ... it's not hard to do what you're asking |
| 20:16.22 | dalias | because 3.0.x lacks features i want |
| 20:16.30 | Kuifje | jelly: when i copy files over ftp proftpd uses like 40% of my CPU |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | all the cool kids are on 3.5b99 .. jeez |
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| 20:16.40 | jelly | Kuifje: and it's also slower. |
| 20:16.42 | ajavid | yeh, exactly |
| 20:16.44 | dalias | abrotman, :) |
| 20:16.50 | dalias | i don't chase bleeding edge |
| 20:16.55 | abrotman | right ... |
| 20:16.56 | Kuifje | jelly: yes, why doesnt it go faster..? |
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| 20:17.11 | jelly | Kuifje: ... because your machine is slow? |
| 20:17.19 | ajavid | lol |
| 20:17.19 | dalias | but when there are features i want or need, i try to get a version that has them |
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| 20:17.40 | abrotman | dalias: you could look at the iceweasel postinst for the alternatives thing, and look at its menu entry file .. and oyu're done .. have fun |
| 20:17.43 | Kuifje | jelly: its not using all cpu's power.. |
| 20:17.46 | dalias | kuifje, is there a reason you're not using vsftpd? |
| 20:17.48 | themill | dalias: either do something about it or not. |
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| 20:17.58 | jelly | Kuifje: what's the remote OS? |
| 20:18.06 | Kuifje | jelly: windows. |
| 20:18.13 | jelly | dalias: that's why. |
| 20:18.14 | Kuifje | jelly: a quad core, so cant be that pc |
| 20:18.20 | EugenMayer | hello, just bought 3 bundles of music CDs i want to rip on MY hdd. Which tool would you suggest? |
| 20:18.23 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:18.24 | ajavid | ftp is single threaded |
| 20:18.29 | ajavid | unfortunately |
| 20:18.34 | ajavid | multicore matters little |
| 20:18.36 | dalias | ftp should not use any cpu |
| 20:18.46 | dalias | if it does it's a bug in the implementation |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | ftp should die |
| 20:18.51 | Kuifje | dalias: i heard good stories about proftpd. |
| 20:18.57 | ajavid | it should, it will... eventually |
| 20:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, look at apt-cache show jack |
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| 20:19.05 | ajavid | ipv4 should die too |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | EugenMayer: there are tons of tools .. jack is a nice little utility you can automate |
| 20:19.18 | dalias | unless you need all the bells and whistles of proftpd, i would use vsftpd |
| 20:19.19 | stew | proftpd has one of the worst security track records of the available ftp servers |
| 20:19.20 | jelly | Kuifje: have you tried running parallel ftp uploads? |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | EugenMayer: i don't have it here .. but i wrote a script that looks for a CD in the drive, and then encodes it |
| 20:19.26 | dalias | it's the only one without a history of countless vulns |
| 20:19.31 | Kuifje | jelly: yes, without success. |
| 20:19.36 | dalias | proftpd is rootbait |
| 20:19.37 | ajavid | vsftpd is nice, small, fast, securie, and ... fast. |
| 20:19.39 | themill | dalias: btw do you have a link for firefox 3.1? |
| 20:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, but there's a lot of alternatives "/msg dpkg search" for how to look through the repositories - also "/msg dpkg dmm" - you probably need stuff from there |
| 20:19.59 | ajavid | themill, you need one? |
| 20:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer (dpkg is a bot) |
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| 20:20.36 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 20:20.44 | jelly | Kuifje: you can try tunin a) ethernet driver with ethtool if possible, b) your tcp options (window size) in your ftp app _and_ the ftp daemon on the other side |
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| 20:21.13 | dacs | how do i know which kernel ver i am running to get to source for it |
| 20:21.22 | Kuifje | jelly: i think i will give in, return this NIC and cope with a 100mbps NIC |
| 20:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, the point is that mozilla offers 3.0.10 and 3.5b4, but NOT 3.1.0 |
| 20:21.29 | dalias | themill, looks like the main site just directs ppl to 3.5 now |
| 20:21.31 | abrotman | dacs: cat /proc/version |
| 20:21.33 | jelly | Kuifje: same thing |
| 20:21.36 | dacs | 'apt-get install kernel-source-? |
| 20:21.47 | abrotman | dacs: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 20:22.04 | ajavid | 3.1 became 3.5 afaik |
| 20:22.05 | abrotman | i think it's up to 3.0.11 now ? |
| 20:22.06 | jelly | Kuifje: at 12MB/s, your 200GB transfer takes around 5 hours. You could have left it overnight last night. |
| 20:22.06 | dacs | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 then |
| 20:22.24 | themill | dalias: right... so why would debian be packaging pre-release versions? |
| 20:22.53 | Kuifje | jelly: yeah, that's right. or I will run it in the morning |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | dacs: aptitude install linux-image-686 linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 20:22.53 | dalias | themill, i know debian does not package it |
| 20:22.53 | dalias | *cries* |
| 20:23.09 | dalias | the question was just about making the official binary from mozilla.org work well in a debian environment |
| 20:23.10 | themill | dalias: debian *rarely* packages prerelease versions of anything |
| 20:23.12 | abrotman | dalias: he's commenting on the version number you've been using |
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| 20:23.28 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 20:23.33 | dalias | yes |
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| 20:23.46 | dalias | well as it is i've been using 3.0 |
| 20:23.51 | dalias | iceweasel 3.0 that is |
| 20:23.57 | themill | If you're going to bang on about version numbers, you may as well know what you're talking about |
| 20:24.18 | dalias | whats important is the minimum version i need for the features i want |
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| 20:24.22 | Trewas | dalias: it's a bit hard to make their binary tarball work well as a debian package, as it wants to upgrade itself |
| 20:24.27 | dalias | not the latest version inflation they applied to it |
| 20:24.34 | exn | hm, anybody knows any wrapper for pcre which makes life easy ? =)) I was used some framework but I forget how their name O_o |
| 20:24.47 | jelly | Kuifje: if you want decent speeds on gigabit ethernet, you'll have to use decent hardware |
| 20:24.49 | dalias | trewas, i always disable check-for-updates anyway |
| 20:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, there's a non-official ubuntu package for it http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/03/install-firefox-31-beta-3pre-in-ubuntu.html |
| 20:25.11 | dalias | jelly, i would expect ftp servers to just use sendfile() ... |
| 20:25.17 | Kuifje | jelly: yes, thanks for the heads up.. |
| 20:25.38 | themill | exn: what sort of wrapper? perl? pcregrep? |
| 20:25.48 | exn | themill for C |
| 20:26.01 | jelly | dalias: the user has a 700MHz duron on a via chipset motherboard and is uploading files to a windows ftp server |
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| 20:26.43 | themill | exn: libpcre3? Or something that abstracts it further |
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| 20:28.01 | exn | themill, yes, wrapper for pcre. |
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| 20:29.00 | exn | I just forget,, somewhere is great framework for pcre, libs, async functions and many many more... how that names :/ |
| 20:30.04 | exn | It was 2 years ago.. I know Pekka develops good framework, but there no pcre |
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| 20:31.13 | paxcoder | jelly: it was -lreadline, btw. |
| 20:31.25 | jelly | paxcoder: nowai! |
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| 20:32.03 | Spec | jelly: i'm a moron ;) |
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| 20:32.23 | Spec | jelly: the 800+ megs make sense...i looked at the pfile.ora, but oracle's really using the spfile.ora file, which is around 900 megs |
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| 20:32.40 | jelly | mmm. |
| 20:32.42 | Spec | *.sga_target=943718400 |
| 20:32.49 | Spec | still, shmmax change will make ipcs make sense |
| 20:33.46 | Nikola | Hi everyone, i got a BIG Problem on my Windows with Debian.ISO, I can't transfer it to my USB, which has got 8 GB'S and DEbian DVD got only 4.4 GB, but it shows i don't have enough space for it. Why is that, if anyone had that issue before? |
| 20:34.17 | mischief | if i set PermitRootLogin no in sshd_config, what will happen when someone tries to login as root? will the connection drop, or what? |
| 20:34.50 | dondelelcaro | Nikola: how are you copying it? |
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| 20:35.13 | Nikola | dondelelcaro: COpy paste, i want to transfer it to my laptop that ISO |
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| 20:35.43 | dondelelcaro | Nikola: ok, the problem is (most likely) that FAT32 can't support files > 4G |
| 20:35.51 | Nikola | OH |
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| 20:36.11 | Nikola | What do i do then dondelelcaro |
| 20:36.27 | dondelelcaro | Nikola: use a different filesystem, like ext3, ntfs or similar |
| 20:36.27 | abrotman | would use split |
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| 20:36.33 | dondelelcaro | (or split, or whatever) |
| 20:36.48 | abrotman | course .. you'd have to install cygwin for that i guess |
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| 20:37.00 | Nikola | i don't know how to split it and i don't know how to make it my USB NTFS :( |
| 20:37.07 | abrotman | Nikola: wait .. why are you trying to put the ISO on your USB stick ? |
| 20:37.34 | Nikola | Because my laptop can burn ISO's and my stationary computer can't, so i want to put it on my laptop |
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| 20:38.30 | EugenMayer | abrotman: CutMeOwnThroat thank you. I mean, it should end as mp3 + it should have the song-titles if possible. But as that are all original CDs i guess this should work So you think jack is the key? |
| 20:38.43 | Nikola | (*cough cough*) my stationary won't read DVD's *cough cough* but i downloaded it from there, i can't redownload it again, it took me 2 days!!1 :( |
| 20:38.57 | abrotman | EugenMayer: you'll have to get lame somewhere else .. /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:39.09 | abrotman | Nikola: transfer it over the network ? |
| 20:39.17 | Nikola | abrotman: how? |
| 20:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, as I said, there are lots... take your pick - if you need to rename/sort afterwards, picard is nice (uses music brainz) |
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| 20:41.42 | Nikola | abrotman: how do i do that? |
| 20:42.03 | abrotman | with a network ? |
| 20:42.22 | Nikola | Oh, you mean by connecting those 2 computers with a cable? |
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| 20:42.41 | abrotman | or something like that .. yes |
| 20:42.53 | Nikola | Problem, i don't have a cable =( |
| 20:43.06 | ajavid | local computer shop does |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | Nikola: are both systems using windows ? |
| 20:43.25 | EugenMayer | abrotman: is there a gui for jack? |
| 20:43.25 | Nikola | abrotman: yep |
| 20:43.34 | abrotman | (this is where the IR port comes in handy!!!!) |
| 20:43.47 | Nikola | ir port? |
| 20:43.54 | Nikola | oh, infrared lol |
| 20:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, it doesn't need one... it just rips away |
| 20:44.03 | abrotman | EugenMayer: not that i'm aware of .. if you want a GUI .. look at something like soundjuicer(gnome) or maybe amarok(kde) |
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| 20:45.42 | roe | anyone using squeeze and OO.org? The widget's (slider bar, arrows for scrolling, ruler, etc) don't look "correct" |
| 20:45.50 | roe | they look a bit like gtk1 |
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| 20:46.36 | jelly | EugenMayer: qjackctl is one |
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| 20:47.10 | roe | is there a pastebin.com type service for screenshots? |
| 20:47.25 | jelly | wait wrong jack |
| 20:47.53 | jelly | EugenMayer: ignore my line please. |
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| 20:48.00 | themill | roe: http://picpaste.com or http://imagebin.ca |
| 20:48.20 | Kuifje | roe: or just tinypic.com |
| 20:48.40 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....can i install KDE with gnome and still have my system go smooth |
| 20:48.58 | themill | cobra-the-joker: of course |
| 20:49.09 | cobra-the-joker | aptitude install kde ? |
| 20:49.12 | Kuifje | why wouldnt it? |
| 20:49.35 | jleedev | cobra-the-joker: once installed, you can choose between them at login (with GDM or KDM) |
| 20:49.39 | cobra-the-joker | i thought it will make it heavier than before ......specially that i have a 2.5 GB ram |
| 20:49.42 | Kuifje | you can have them both installed, and then run kde or gnome whener you feel like it |
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| 20:49.54 | Kuifje | it'll only cost more HDD space |
| 20:50.00 | themill | cobra-the-joker: ram usage is only related to what you actually run |
| 20:50.04 | Kuifje | you do not run them simultaneously |
| 20:50.16 | cobra-the-joker | mmm...yes |
| 20:50.22 | themill | dpkg: tell cobra-the-joker about install kde |
| 20:50.35 | jleedev | although, running a gnome program and a kde program simultaneously will see a slight increase in memory usage |
| 20:50.57 | EugenMayer | abrotman: do i need anything special to be able to read the id3 tags ? |
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| 20:51.18 | abrotman | NFC .. |
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| 20:51.26 | abrotman | you didn't sya what you were using |
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| 20:52.26 | roe | does this look right to you? http://imagebin.ca/view/0SK9rYe.html |
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| 20:52.37 | Aberration2 | HI all! |
| 20:52.49 | EugenMayer | abrotman: tried jack, but 1. it ended in the wrong dir even if i set the WD with -w + ogg encoding ( i need mp3 ). So i tried soundjuicer. That one crashes on "read"...both seem to not be able to read the id3 tags |
| 20:53.47 | Aberration2 | I've just build a kernel and I don't have no initrd... (I did --initrd) what can I do??? |
| 20:54.24 | jleedev | roe: try export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome |
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| 20:54.42 | abrotman | EugenMayer: i told you that you would have to install lame |
| 20:54.43 | patrikf | Aberration2: use the powers of update-initramfs. |
| 20:55.03 | jleedev | roe: and you need openoffice.org-gnome |
| 20:55.12 | Aberration2 | patrikf : I'm a young and powerless wizard! What must I do master? |
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| 20:55.33 | roe | jleedev, ah, I'll try that, thanks |
| 20:55.39 | nsadmin | Aberration2: learn one thing at a time |
| 20:55.43 | patrikf | Aberration2: I just told you |
| 20:55.54 | roe | that is better |
| 20:56.09 | jleedev | roe: :) |
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| 20:56.25 | _abc_ | whats the deal with k3b not liking the genisoimage front end for growisofs ? |
| 20:56.25 | roe | not sure why that is a separate package |
| 20:56.31 | _abc_ | could someone post the output of growisofs --version please ? |
| 20:56.40 | _abc_ | the real growisofs that is |
| 20:56.43 | EugenMayer | abrotman: ah okj |
| 20:56.46 | lindenle | What is the easiest way to convert a pdf file to a pdf file with 6 pages per page? |
| 20:56.52 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : Yeah, I know I'm in the "how to make your own initrd" step right now :D |
| 20:57.04 | abrotman | ISTR pdftk can do that |
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| 20:57.33 | nsadmin | Aberration2: if you did --initrd (to what command btw?) it should have generated one |
| 20:57.35 | Aberration2 | patrikf : should I just type "update-initramfs" |
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| 20:58.05 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : yeah! So weird! This is my command : sudo make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 --append-to-version e1 kernel_image |
| 20:58.09 | jleedev | lindenle: use pdfnup from the pdfjam package |
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| 20:58.35 | patrikf | Aberration2: no, you should try to find some documentation on what update-initramfs does and how you should use it. try its manpage - and if you don't know what a manpage is, go googling :) |
| 20:58.49 | nsadmin | Aberration2: looks good... you may wish to also generate kernel_headers |
| 20:58.56 | lindenle | cool |
| 20:58.57 | jleedev | lindenle: oh wait, that depends on texlive. works though ;) |
| 20:59.32 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : looks good indeed... that's a pretty common line... I don't know what screwed up... |
| 20:59.39 | nsadmin | look in /boot, you sure it's not ntere? |
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| 21:01.55 | themill | lindenle: Depending on how the pdf was made, psnup can be used (pdf2ps etc) but pdfnup is most reliable |
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| 21:02.04 | Aberration2 | nsadmin pretty sure |
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| 21:02.45 | lindenle | themill: yeah i was having trouble going through ps |
| 21:02.53 | nsadmin | Aberration2: ls -C /boot | pastebinit |
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| 21:03.33 | nsadmin | oh, and what happened when you tried update-initramfs |
| 21:04.02 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : "bash: pastebinit: command not found" |
| 21:04.21 | jleedev | slaps Aberration2 with a giant pastebin |
| 21:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 21:04.30 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:04.58 | Aberration2 | nsadmin sorry 'bout the pastebin... |
| 21:05.37 | nsadmin | oh, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 21:06.07 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : http://pastebin.com/d6393165c ;) |
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| 21:07.38 | nsadmin | you're right, all the initrds look like they're from official kernels |
| 21:07.46 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : I didn't know pastebinit -> damn usefull |
| 21:08.19 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : unfortunatly I know I'm right about that *sad* |
| 21:10.33 | nsadmin | so you have two "official" kernels and then your custom installed |
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| 21:11.31 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : yep, right |
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| 21:12.02 | nsadmin | and what happened when you ran update-initramfs? |
| 21:12.52 | Aberration2 | nsadmin it dosn't know initramfs not even in synaptic... I'm truing the yaird wau |
| 21:12.55 | Aberration2 | way* |
| 21:13.52 | nsadmin | Aberration2: try aptitude install initramfs-tools |
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| 21:14.39 | nsadmin | if you go with yaird, you might have to rebuild the kernel if yaird support is not in the kernel |
| 21:16.16 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : k I got intramfs... but "/usr/src$ update-initramfs -> bash: update-initramfs: command not found" |
| 21:16.36 | nsadmin | you need to run that as root |
| 21:16.54 | nsadmin | or sudo I guess |
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| 21:18.14 | nsadmin | !find bin/update-initramfs |
| 21:18.33 | Aberration2 | nsadmin ho yeah... Should I add the options : -c -k *mykernel* |
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| 21:18.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/update-initramfs' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-initramfs) in utils/initramfs-tools. |
| 21:19.26 | nsadmin | sure |
| 21:20.51 | roe | any clue what package will re-enable the "calculator" key on my keyboard? I had it working in lenny, now that I am on squeeze it doesn't seem to work any more |
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| 21:21.39 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : Ok initrd made ^^ let's try if my kernel panic is gone!! |
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| 21:22.12 | sladi | roe: you use kde or gnome maybe? |
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| 21:22.47 | roe | gnome |
| 21:22.56 | Aberration2 | nsadmin : Many thanks! But stay tuned ^^ |
| 21:23.02 | Aberration2 | brb |
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| 21:28.36 | mischief | i'm using apache2-mpm-itk to separate vhosts, but when i set a vhost to run as user foo:foo, the apache process appears to be running under the group 'sudo' and not group foo |
| 21:28.49 | mischief | how can i stop this other than removing foo from group sudo? |
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| 21:32.28 | YamiFrankc | Hi. i have a problem. I have a new installation of Debian andi cant install via aptitude. why? |
| 21:33.10 | azeem | YamiFrankc: put the error on a pastebin |
| 21:33.10 | acemi_ | check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:33.10 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 21:33.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 21:35.52 | YamiFrankc | Hmm,pastebin finds it as spam |
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| 21:36.08 | themill | YamiFrankc: try a different one |
| 21:36.30 | click170 | Hey, I've got a Debian box that happily has its root mounted from Nfs so that it's diskless and has no HD. I just tried to do an apt-get upgrade but it choked while processing linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, looks like update-grub exited with value 1. Now, this is expected because the machine has no HD and its root is mounted from NFS, but how do I finish the installation? |
| 21:37.13 | azeem | click170: configure linux-image to not run update-grub, I'd say |
| 21:37.31 | themill | click170: check /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 21:38.32 | mischief | uugh this is so annoying! every time i read a file with nano the same thing appears |
| 21:38.57 | YamiFrankc | What should be on that file? |
| 21:39.17 | mischief | YamiFrankc, anything but what it shows |
| 21:39.27 | mischief | i cat the file and it does not show what i see when i nano |
| 21:39.44 | mischief | i can cat several files and they all show different things, but when i nano it, it's the same thing |
| 21:39.59 | click170 | Thank you azeem and themill, /etc/kernel-img.conf was exactly what I was looking for. |
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| 21:40.13 | themill | !next |
| 21:40.13 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 21:40.22 | YamiFrankc | What should be on that file? |
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| 21:41.00 | Xpistos|work | I have a question. What could you possible put in an OS that requires 5 dvds? |
| 21:41.01 | themill | YamiFrankc: "/msg dpkg sources.list" for details ; "/msg dpkg mirrors" for mirrors that you can use |
| 21:41.02 | ryanc` | anybody have any idea why /dev/sdb1 would show up as zero bytes in size? |
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| 21:41.14 | YamiFrankc | ok,thx |
| 21:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xpistos|work, "lots of stuff"? |
| 21:41.58 | Xpistos|work | Is there a debian install cd or dvd that I can download one iso? |
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| 21:42.30 | themill | dpkg: tell Xpistos|work about netinst |
| 21:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xpistos|work, you can just download CD1 or the netinstall image (/msg dpkg netinstall) |
| 21:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or let themill make dpkg tell you |
| 21:43.09 | Xpistos|work | I am all ears |
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| 21:43.52 | Xpistos|work | CD1 or DVD`1 |
| 21:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | lucky you... I'm all bladder |
| 21:44.21 | themill | Xpistos|work: either. If you know that you will have a working internet connection following a base install, then you can (should!?) just use the netinst |
| 21:44.46 | Xpistos|work | I will take your world and give it a shot |
| 21:44.50 | Xpistos|work | Thanks for the help |
| 21:44.58 | genericType | themill: isn't installing from CD1 using a network mirror the same thing too? |
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| 21:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xpistos|work, the more you think you'll have to install without working network, the more you should burn... as the normal case is that you have network pretty much from start on, you need very little (i.e. netinstall) |
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| 21:45.58 | YamiFrankc | hum,did that and dont works |
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| 21:46.22 | Xpistos|work | CutMeOwnThroat: Good. That is for me. Less now more later |
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| 21:47.26 | themill | genericType: if you're using CD1 then you're downloading more prior to starting the installation. The installer is identical for each case, it's just a question of when things get downloaded |
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| 21:49.02 | genericType | themill: I see. so selecting [*] Desktop Environment and [*] Base System gives the exact same system (assuming network mirror) with both |
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| 21:49.36 | themill | genericType: yes, although the meaning of "Desktop" can be different if you have the gnome, kde, xfce etc CDs |
| 21:50.14 | genericType | themill: Woah, never thought of that. I just use gnome lol |
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| 21:51.23 | gomiam | As Fleming said when he found Penicillium in one of his bacteria plates, "this is funny..." |
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| 21:52.12 | paxcoder | gomiam: hehe, that's funny |
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| 21:52.26 | gomiam | I keep fighting my Debian (testing/unstable) in order to find why it freezes whenever a TCP connection transfers about 80KB |
| 21:52.31 | gomiam | (or more, it depends) |
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| 21:52.57 | paxcoder | gomiam: and you do absolutely nothing in the meantime? |
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| 21:53.09 | gomiam | paxcoder: absolutely nothing else. |
| 21:53.17 | gomiam | let me sum up the story thus far :) |
| 21:53.21 | paxcoder | is it wire or space? |
| 21:53.25 | paxcoder | k |
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| 21:53.58 | gomiam | I have a Targa Traveller 826 WS with a Realtek 8139 100 Mbps PCI LAN card |
| 21:54.30 | gomiam | since 2.6.18, all Debian AMD64 kernels I have tried freeze whenever I start making TCP connections |
| 21:54.52 | gomiam | sometimes as soon as 20 seconds after the DHCP service finds the card's IP address |
| 21:55.28 | gomiam | I'm currently playing around with 2.6.29 (ok, it's unstable, but it's not like the stock 2.6.26 kernel works any better, the network install CD freezes too) |
| 21:55.32 | lszyba1 | hello, I have a user running sshfs and now I need to create a sh file for a cron job...I got it working. It works as a user , but cron says permission denied when accessing a files....The user belongs to a fuse group already,,,,but I still need to do : newgrp fuse....how can I tell cron to be in a fuse group before running anything...? I tried putting "/usr/bin/newgrp fuse" but that doesn't solve anythin??? |
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| 21:56.22 | paxcoder | gomiam: and it works on 32 bit? |
| 21:57.02 | gomiam | paxcoder: I think it does. At least when I tried the latest knoppix :) |
| 21:57.22 | dhblewis | Hi everyone. I really dont want to sound rude. But I need this sorted asap as I am paying a developer by the day and he cant continue till this is sorted. In phpmyadmin I get Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.51a differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.34. This may cause unpredictable behavior. Error message. How do i fix it? |
| 21:57.32 | gomiam | (and it works with Windows, too) |
| 21:57.56 | paxcoder | gomiam: don't know. i just hoped to start up the discussion for you (fail). |
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| 21:58.24 | sonictwin | help plz |
| 21:58.41 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 21:58.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:58.46 | sonictwin | http://www.64studio.com/node/1181 |
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| 21:59.03 | gomiam | lszyba1: you may want to set it up in the valid user's crontab. |
| 21:59.05 | themill | dhblewis: do you really want mysql 5.1? You probably don't if you're using debian stable |
| 21:59.58 | dhblewis | themill. yes I do need 5.1 although is it really buggy? |
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| 22:00.10 | nsadmin | s/5.1// s/if.*// |
| 22:00.17 | gomiam | paxcoder: anyway. I have managed to finish apt-get update successfully by starting in single mode and disabling network-manager, network-manager-dispatcher, dhcdbd services |
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| 22:01.06 | gomiam | now I'll try to somewhat finish apt-get upgrade |
| 22:01.38 | nsadmin | gomiam: first try dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 22:02.03 | lszyba1 | anybody? Is there a way to force cron to be in xyz group when executing sh script? |
| 22:02.22 | themill | dhblewis: it still hasn't made it into debian unstable, that's what the debian mysql maintainers make of it at the moment. You should upgrade your mysql client libraries to the newer version as well, but that will probably require you to recompile php or whatever it is you are using mysql with |
| 22:02.46 | JPT | lszyba1: if you're telling cron to call a script as a certain user, i think it should have the users groups, too |
| 22:02.46 | gomiam | lszyba1: IIRC you can use "crontab -u user file" to add "file" to the "user"s crontab list |
| 22:03.07 | nsadmin | probably would have to recompile mysql server and all its friends too |
| 22:03.24 | gomiam | if the user already belongs to the fuser group, the crontab job should inherit its groups too |
| 22:03.37 | dhblewis | themill how do I recompile php |
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| 22:04.11 | nsadmin | read the build instructions in the php source |
| 22:04.48 | gomiam | dhblewis: apt-get source --compile (the PHP package for the required library) might be an option to test |
| 22:05.03 | lszyba1 | JPT: What is interesting is that if I logout and login I need to do "newgrp fuse" even do the username is already in fuse group? so telling crontab -e to run a script would seem it would require the same? |
| 22:05.05 | nsadmin | it woudl be handy for you to become familiar with the parts of the compiler too, and with make |
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| 22:05.25 | gomiam | nsadmin: thanks for the hint, but there were no packages pending to be configured |
| 22:05.25 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:05.52 | JPT | probably the user wasn't added to the group permanently... i don't know that much about this ;) |
| 22:06.01 | themill | dhblewis: "/msg dpkg package recompile" but this is not a trivial task and you're going to have to do it every time there is a php security update. (and you shouldn't grab the mysql package from experimental directly, recompile it for lenny is probably better; /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 22:06.33 | themill | dhblewis: what out of 5.1 is so attractive as to make all this pain worthwhile? |
| 22:07.45 | genericType | quick question about updating in sid: should I be doing aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade |
| 22:08.03 | dhblewis | the developer says this is the first version of MySQL with the ability to parse XML files--an essential feature if the goal is to incorporate Ebay into this scheme |
| 22:08.13 | gomiam | genericType: just to be safe, I would go the safe-upgrade way :) |
| 22:08.19 | nsadmin | gomiam: good to check that, carry on... |
| 22:08.20 | gaintsura | could someone run an nmap on systemxdev.com and pastebin the results please |
| 22:08.35 | themill | genericType: man apt-get and make sure you know the difference. if you're running sid, you should know already. |
| 22:08.56 | nsadmin | gaintsura: if you prove you're the owner of both the domain and the machine it's connected to |
| 22:09.10 | gaintsura | how would you like me to prove that? |
| 22:09.13 | themill | dhblewis: The ability of a db to parse xml files is an interesting feature... can't say I've ever thought of that as being desirable. |
| 22:09.14 | gaintsura | well actually wait.. |
| 22:09.43 | genericType | themill: I always seem to get that kind of answer here, but I understand where you would be coming from, getting flooded with questions like that all the time |
| 22:10.19 | gaintsura | http://systemxdev.com/?works contains a set of pictures that have my wife in it, http://gaintsura.deviantart.com/ and there is my wife as well, also name, etc |
| 22:10.19 | nsadmin | I'm kinda hungry anyway... /me finds a burger place |
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| 22:11.20 | gaintsura | 192.168.2.149:22 67.177.193.87:53868 ESTABLISHED 8602/sshd: gaintsura <- also connected via ssh |
| 22:11.37 | genericType | themill: it seems that aptitude full-upgrade wants to remove the following packages: gnome |
| 22:11.50 | genericType | themill: and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:12.12 | themill | genericType: it's not only that, but sid is the sort of place where things break. often. If you want to run it, you should be comfortable with how apt and dpkg and be able to get yourself out of trouble. Also /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 22:12.15 | SirTophat | my volume knob doesn't do anything and headphones won't be recognized in debian, I know the hardware is fine because it works in windows |
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| 22:12.21 | gaintsura | nsadmin: that enough proof? |
| 22:12.22 | alecs1 | hi, I have a program crash that is so dubious and hard to debug that I actually changed the compiler to intel |
| 22:12.24 | nkuttler | gaintsura: google web based nmap or whatever.. |
| 22:12.26 | alecs1 | and it worked |
| 22:12.28 | nsadmin | gaintsura: the second url times out |
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| 22:12.32 | gaintsura | which? |
| 22:12.38 | gaintsura | the .deviantart? |
| 22:12.40 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 22:13.03 | gomiam | nsadmin: I'm apt-get upgrade'ing my way through. It seems it dies about 40 seconds after I start downloading |
| 22:13.03 | nsadmin | why not start over, what are you trying to accomplish |
| 22:13.03 | alecs1 | if there's a chance to be a bug in g++ I would file a bug; but no way am I able to debug |
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| 22:13.27 | alecs1 | what should I do? I still believe it's g++ bug; bug I can't prove |
| 22:13.29 | gaintsura | nsadmin: I'm working on my iptables, but no one I know is around to test it from the external |
| 22:13.52 | gomiam | gaintsura: I manage to get to deviantart. I'm unable to resolve the first address, though |
| 22:13.52 | nsadmin | to what end? |
| 22:14.14 | gaintsura | O.o |
| 22:14.27 | gaintsura | nsadmin: I need to know what people can access from outside of my network |
| 22:14.36 | gomiam | it's probably my own problem, as I've been having DNS problems for several hours now |
| 22:14.57 | gaintsura | I know what I can get to, naturally but short of going to starbucks and running an nmap from there, I don't know |
| 22:15.17 | nsadmin | oh, hmm, it is the first one |
| 22:15.29 | gomiam | gaintsura: let me check a second |
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| 22:15.46 | gaintsura | nsadmin: ? can't get to systemxdev? |
| 22:15.54 | gaintsura | probably because of my iptables |
| 22:16.20 | nsadmin | right, browser won't show up |
| 22:16.20 | gomiam | ok, I resolved systemxdev.com |
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| 22:16.25 | gomiam | trying to links my way in... |
| 22:16.29 | genericType | themill: well that helps alot! never knew about that. I've been using debian for about a year now, and before that on ubuntu (which stuck me on apt-get) and now I'm just unsure which to use. Aptitude looks like it wants to delete my system |
| 22:16.50 | gaintsura | nsadmin: check now |
| 22:16.56 | gaintsura | flushed the iptable |
| 22:16.57 | nsadmin | perhaps that's enough of a result to work with for a moment? |
| 22:16.57 | gaintsura | s |
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| 22:17.06 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:17.07 | lszyba1 | JPT: It seems as if you mount as root sshfs then add yourself to fuse so you can read....it won't allow you to access if you logout then login....but if you add yourself to fuse then login then sshfs then its all good... |
| 22:17.09 | gomiam | ok, I got the web page now |
| 22:17.17 | alecs1 | so, if I provide the source code, makefile and the instruction where the program crashes, will someone spend his time on it, risking to actually find a programmer error? |
| 22:17.25 | JPT | oh..sshfs.. |
| 22:17.31 | gaintsura | sshfs ;D |
| 22:17.34 | JPT | i've never tried it |
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| 22:18.09 | themill | genericType: Convince aptitude to behave properly and use it. "/msg dpkg why aptitude" |
| 22:19.45 | genericType | themill: I've been using apt-get up until this point, has that caused any 'damage' to my system? |
| 22:20.08 | themill | genericType: no, but when it comes to fixing problems with packages in sid, aptitude will be much better |
| 22:20.26 | Mikaze | apt-get has been pretty muched debugged and nearly matches aptitude in every way. |
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| 22:21.30 | Mikaze | Read the debian-reference for more info. |
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| 22:23.06 | CyberGabber | /wc |
| 22:23.07 | lszyba1 | see ya.. |
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| 22:25.37 | gomiam | even more interesting.... if I limit the download rate through tricke... it seems to work a bit better :D |
| 22:25.43 | genericType | themill: I'm still new to aptitude (well, actually caring about the output) and I'm guessing a score of -9881 is bad |
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| 22:29.09 | SirTopHat_ | for some reason, after I installed flash mozilla and updated everything, when I restarted windows was gone from my boot menu and debian couldn't connect to my wifi. I replaced the menu.lst with an old backup file then it turned out that backup file was the one I did wrong and now I can't find any way to get back into windows or fix debian |
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| 22:29.26 | kaduk | Hi |
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| 22:29.28 | SirTopHat_ | the windows boot sector was sda2 |
| 22:29.33 | kaduk | do I need syslinux If I am using grub |
| 22:29.37 | kaduk | and I have ext4 ? |
| 22:29.49 | SirTopHat_ | yet, I get "error parsing number" |
| 22:29.51 | genericType | themill: Well thanks for your patience, gotta go for now |
| 22:30.01 | SirTopHat_ | I've run out of patience |
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| 22:30.27 | SirTopHat_ | this operating system has been nothing but problems on top of problems causing more problems |
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| 22:32.04 | SirTopHat_ | what would be the right way to make sda2, windows, boot from grub |
| 22:32.12 | SirTopHat_ | apparently the way I have it in is wrong |
| 22:32.34 | gomiam | SirTopHat_: I would try using a Debian boot CD to do the recovery |
| 22:32.41 | SirTopHat_ | this wouldn't have been a problem if the menu.lst didn't remove windows from it by itself after the update for some assinine reason I will never understand |
| 22:32.45 | pickcoder | hd0,1 |
| 22:32.50 | SirTopHat_ | ok ty |
| 22:33.32 | gomiam | SirTopHat_: I find it quite surprising it would remove windows from grub by itself... I don't remember that ever happening to me before (it usually was me doing something wrong) |
| 22:34.42 | gomiam | ok, back to my problem. Does anybody know why having transfers above, say, 70 KB/s might freeze my computer? |
| 22:34.44 | pickcoder | he's been at this for a couple of days |
| 22:35.00 | gomiam | pickcoder: oh, that explains his being a bit cranky :) |
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| 22:35.20 | pickcoder | he needs to stop complaining and move back to windoze or face the fact that some stuff is just combersome |
| 22:35.48 | Velmont | Two packages installed via dpkg -i, -- however, only one of them is listed in apt, how to I make the other one (the dependency) show in apt? |
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| 22:36.19 | gomiam | I've been fighting my Debian install for some time on and off, and I seem to have finally found a roundabout way to apt-get upgrade (limit my download speed to about 50KB/s) |
| 22:36.35 | nsadmin | Velmont: notice the .deb files have _ in them? |
| 22:36.49 | nsadmin | file names that is |
| 22:37.23 | gomiam | Velmont: start by searching with parts of the beginning of the filename with "apt-cache search filenam" |
| 22:37.31 | Velmont | nsadmin: Yes. Two. |
| 22:37.53 | gomiam | (if the package is called something like filename-this-or_other-or-whatever.deb) |
| 22:37.56 | nsadmin | Velmont: the name of the package is everything up to the first _ |
| 22:38.12 | nsadmin | what is the package name of the thing that doesn't show up? |
| 22:38.35 | Velmont | certmaster, --- it works on this machine, - but not on another one. :-) |
| 22:38.36 | sylar | I get this error kernel: [ 992.071582] device-mapper: table: device 8:49 too small for target |
| 22:39.01 | nsadmin | so it's working but it doesn't show up in aptitude? |
| 22:39.02 | Velmont | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.08 | sylar | I was told that it is from the device mapper, but I got the source for device mapper |
| 22:39.17 | sylar | and grepped for it, and didn |
| 22:39.18 | Velmont | nsadmin: Yup. And dpkg -l certmaster shows it fine. |
| 22:39.24 | sylar | t find this error |
| 22:39.37 | Velmont | nsadmin: The other one, func, shows, apt-cache show func. |
| 22:39.39 | sylar | where could this error come from? |
| 22:39.52 | Velmont | And of course, they both show in apt on this machine. |
| 22:39.56 | nsadmin | so it doesn't show in apt-cache>? |
| 22:40.18 | nsadmin | I guess you could try removing and reinstalling that package... |
| 22:40.28 | nsadmin | but I'm not sure it's a problem |
| 22:41.11 | Velmont | nsadmin: Nope. -- Yes, right. But I don't really want to as it'll screw up the keys. But if there is no update-apt-from-dpkg command I'll just try reinstalling it now :P |
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| 22:44.03 | nsadmin | if it's going to screw something, I'd say don't bother doing anything... why do you want to? |
| 22:44.04 | Velmont | Hmmm. Aah! |
| 22:44.04 | Inazad | someone here can help me ? I have someone who insert a malware script into one of my web page, I got all logs (access, ftp, etc) but I don't know what to search for..... |
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| 22:44.08 | Velmont | I think I have it, -- it's because I forced it. I tagged it with i386, although it's all python, and couldn't be bothered to repack it as -all. But I think that'll fix it! |
| 22:44.08 | dkr | Inazad: delete it all and restore from your backups |
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| 22:44.14 | sylar | seems like this orignate from an old package |
| 22:44.15 | Inazad | no, I found the line of the script but I want to know who put it there |
| 22:44.18 | sylar | that I removed |
| 22:44.22 | sylar | ...? |
| 22:44.29 | Inazad | There is a way to see who did that ? |
| 22:44.33 | sylar | why is it still there after I have removed it? |
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| 22:44.58 | nsadmin | Inazad: read over your logs... |
| 22:45.05 | dkr | Inazad: well, you coul dlook at time the file was modified with stat and ocmpare that to your access logs to see what account was used |
| 22:45.33 | Inazad | yeah but how |
| 22:45.52 | Inazad | i know that the file /directory/idnex.php has been edited to add a long line of js script |
| 22:45.57 | Inazad | index.php* |
| 22:46.04 | dkr | Inazad: but likely they took advantage of a bug int he web app itself rather than broke into your system |
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| 22:47.04 | Inazad | its a simple php website... 80% of the website is html |
| 22:47.48 | dkr | Inazad: and it is also likely that this was done automatically with a tool, rather than an individual doing it manually. so tracking them down is even more futile |
| 22:47.49 | sylar | how can I check which libdevmapper is actually used? |
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| 22:48.35 | Velmont | nsadmin: odin@voss:~$ apt-cache search certm |
| 22:48.35 | Velmont | certmaster - Package created with checkinstall 1.6.1 |
| 22:48.38 | Velmont | Yay! |
| 22:48.39 | Inazad | dkr: but the tools have to get the file and edit it in a way... |
| 22:49.02 | nsadmin | Velmont: cool :) |
| 22:49.33 | Velmont | Stupid on my part. But, ahh, now I can go home. It's late at night. |
| 22:50.09 | nsadmin | Deeeep Thought: if there could be a master of a master, the master who's of the other master must not be so masterful... |
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| 22:51.05 | nsadmin | Velmont glad it worked out |
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| 23:00.10 | Anne | I trie to install debian on my nslu, but I cannot find a good debian mirror, does anyone know about this? |
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| 23:01.21 | dondelelcaro | Anne: just pick a mirror from http://debian.org/mirrors/list which carries arm |
| 23:01.29 | dondelelcaro | (most of the major mirrors do) |
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| 23:03.28 | Anne | I've installed debian several times on this machine, but it never gave a problem, till now |
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| 23:05.17 | gomiam | ok, does anybody have any explanation for a Debian AMD testing/unstable to crash randomly when doing TCP connections, considering transfer speed seems to be somewhat related? |
| 23:05.49 | sylar | why when I get apt-get source linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 23:06.08 | Anne | does anyone ave an explanation why the debian mirrors won't work? |
| 23:06.16 | sylar | it gets me Get:2 http://mirror.isoc.org.il lenny/main linux-2.6 2.6.26-15 (tar) [61.8MB] |
| 23:06.25 | gomiam | Anne: which debian mirror doesn't work? |
| 23:06.35 | sylar | which is .26 and not .29 ? |
| 23:06.42 | Anne | not one, for my ARM device |
| 23:06.52 | gomiam | sylar: do you have the unstable source repository in your sources.list ? |
| 23:07.14 | Anne | gomiam: I tried dutch, german and belgium mirrors, bet they do not seem to work |
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| 23:07.34 | Anne | The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror. |
| 23:07.35 | gomiam | Anne: are you able to use nslookup to find the repositories? |
| 23:07.39 | gomiam | (or dig) |
| 23:07.46 | gomiam | just in case it's a network problem |
| 23:08.04 | Anne | nope |
| 23:08.24 | Anne | Network works, cuz I am ssh-ing to the device |
| 23:08.41 | gomiam | Anne: are you ssh-ing to it by IP? |
| 23:08.45 | dondelelcaro | Anne: which mirrors don't work? |
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| 23:08.53 | Anne | gomiam: Yes |
| 23:09.03 | Anne | dondelelcaro: Not a single one |
| 23:09.28 | sylar | gomiam, checking |
| 23:09.29 | gomiam | Anne: have you tried pinging... say... www.rediris.es from the ARM device? |
| 23:09.54 | dondelelcaro | Anne: and they don't work in what way? |
| 23:10.10 | Anne | All I get is an installation men, I could exit to cmd, but I do not know what I can or cannot do in cmd |
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| 23:10.22 | dondelelcaro | Anne: you can ssh in again and get a shell |
| 23:10.38 | dondelelcaro | Anne: and from that shell you can see if you can ping the mirrors or if networking is actually set up properly |
| 23:10.45 | Anne | command ping not found |
| 23:10.48 | dondelelcaro | Anne: most likely the nameserver is specified wrongly |
| 23:10.57 | gomiam | Anne: try accessing http://www.google.es/ from the ARM device, if possible |
| 23:11.04 | dondelelcaro | Anne: I think it has wget installed; try that |
| 23:11.06 | gomiam | or http://www.google.com/ |
| 23:11.22 | dondelelcaro | (or there should be a busybox equivalent available) |
| 23:11.38 | Anne | '/bin/sh: ping: not found |
| 23:11.42 | sylar | gomiam, you were right |
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| 23:12.15 | dondelelcaro | Anne: yeah, I never remember precisely what is available at install time |
| 23:12.25 | gomiam | sylar: nice |
| 23:12.31 | gomiam | (for once :D) |
| 23:12.42 | sylar | :) |
| 23:12.57 | gomiam | , |
| 23:13.01 | Anne | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.10 | Anne | these are the available commands |
| 23:13.31 | gomiam | Anne: ¿how are you trying to upgrade the ARM computer? |
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| 23:14.15 | gomiam | Anne: and... does it fail when getting the repositories' catalogues? does it fail when getting the packages? |
| 23:14.45 | Anne | gomiam: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html |
| 23:14.57 | gomiam | Anne: reading... |
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| 23:15.21 | nsadmin | Anne so, do you already have a debian installed? |
| 23:15.22 | Anne | gomiam: It cannot connect to the mirror, so it cannot get packages |
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| 23:15.58 | Anne | nsadmin: Not ATM, I used to have debian installed on this very machine, but now it cannot connect to the mirrors |
| 23:15.58 | gomiam | Anne: can you try to execute "apt-get update" through your ssh access? |
| 23:16.18 | nsadmin | can it connect to anything |
| 23:16.36 | Anne | gomiam: nope |
| 23:16.56 | gomiam | Anne: ok, still reading the install manual |
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| 23:17.33 | nsadmin | you say you're connected to it via ssh now? |
| 23:17.39 | Anne | yes |
| 23:17.52 | nsadmin | so the answer to "can it connect to anything" is yes |
| 23:18.09 | gomiam | nsadmin: at least it can be connected to (which is not exactly the same ;) |
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| 23:18.45 | nsadmin | gomiam it means her network card is working |
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| 23:19.14 | gomiam | nsadmin: yup |
| 23:19.14 | Anne | well... there is a two way connection between my PC and ARM-device |
| 23:19.30 | nsadmin | what form does it take? |
| 23:19.31 | Cynope | o_O... Just a wild guess... Should apt-get work on a busy box? *Router*? |
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| 23:19.46 | gomiam | I still wonder it /etc/resolv.conf is correctly set up in that device... or whatever it uses to resolve names |
| 23:20.16 | Anne | ...:S I tried to configure network settings, and it died... I call it a day, and try aggain tomorrow. thanks guys. |
| 23:20.34 | nsadmin | could we try a few things first? |
| 23:20.53 | Anne | nope... it died |
| 23:21.17 | Anne | cannot connect to it anymore, and my wife is moarning in bed, so GtG ;) |
| 23:21.36 | nsadmin | uhoh... that could be trouble :) |
| 23:22.08 | Anne | could be... ofc there is always an emergency update button to restore the orriginal firmware |
| 23:22.12 | Anne | night guys |
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| 23:23.25 | gomiam | I will leave soon too |
| 23:23.25 | gomiam | here's to hoping I can finish my apt-get upgrade tomorrow :) |
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| 23:23.52 | gomiam | btw, is there a way to keep count of the transferred bytes through a net interface? |
| 23:24.11 | nsadmin | ifconfig (thatinterface) |
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| 23:24.28 | gomiam | oh, ok |
| 23:24.30 | nsadmin | should already have counts |
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| 23:25.12 | seniorake | i really need some help with a bashscript i'm trying to write. somehow i can't cope with ' and " ... i want to form a string which is going to be executed, like this: |
| 23:25.27 | edgardo0ht5 | hi, help me please. how to I setup xajax correctly |
| 23:25.37 | gomiam | seniorake: you may want to use the printf command |
| 23:25.43 | seniorake | hey good idea |
| 23:25.54 | disturbedmime | i ran a netinst of Lenny with a 5.0 disk, somehow I ended up on squeeze/sid, anyone seen that before? |
| 23:25.55 | Mikaze | #bash would be the place to ask. Those guys are pretty smart. |
| 23:25.56 | gomiam | it will allow you to use \" and \' |
| 23:26.06 | gomiam | disturbedmime: no me, certainly :) |
| 23:26.09 | Cynope | Guys, About Anne, if Anne had Debian, installed on his Router, Wouldn't that give have apt-get installed? I mean are you guys sure that Debian was installed at all? |
| 23:26.23 | Cynope | *wouldnt that give him |
| 23:26.40 | gomiam | Cynope: I gather it was, if the URL he gave us for the install manual is correct |
| 23:26.42 | nsadmin | Cynope: I think he said it wasn't but it used to be |
| 23:26.47 | edgardo0ht5 | I already have apache and php run |
| 23:26.51 | disturbedmime | gomiam: yeah, funny part is i used the same disk on the same machine 3 days prior with no issues |
| 23:27.15 | Cynope | I see, So why he was trying to run ... apt-get? |
| 23:27.29 | gomiam | disturbedmime: oh, perhaps the Moon being in Aquarius has something to do with that ;) |
| 23:27.39 | Mikaze | Will Debian run on a Commodore 64? |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | debian packaging people, take this as a compliment, you are a little less evil than gnu autotools |
| 23:27.42 | lcuk | :) |
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| 23:27.54 | gomiam | Cynope: actually, it seems the installer was trying to run it for itself |
| 23:28.32 | Cynope | Ah, I see... Sorry I didn't read the whole thing... |
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| 23:28.45 | disturbedmime | gomiam: perhaps...not sure, going to try a re-install tomorrow, ive seen one or two posts with similar issues and using certain network mirrors |
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| 23:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | seniorake, /msg greybot quoting |
| 23:29.14 | seniorake | damn, the error is the same? |
| 23:29.17 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure the pc he had it connected to was not functioning as a router |
| 23:29.24 | seniorake | CutMe: i saw no help message |
| 23:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <greybot> Quoting 101: Use "double quotes" to allow parameter expansions like "$foo", "$@", "Your name: $name". Use 'single quotes' to make everything literal (including $ and \). You can nest "'single quotes' inside double quotes" and vice versa. You can't put single quotes inside single quotes; so nest them in double quotes or do this: 'Don'\''t forget to quote!' See: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/words |
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| 23:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | pushes seniorake over to #bash |
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| 23:31.18 | seniorake | yes i know that? still, what i try fails here |
| 23:31.25 | seniorake | i'll provde an example: |
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| 23:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell seniorake -about nicktab |
| 23:31.59 | Mikaze | Pratchett! |
| 23:31.59 | gomiam | time to go to sleep for this penguin |
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| 23:32.03 | gomiam | have fun. |
| 23:32.05 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....how can i give permission to make files and write to it for the php server ? |
| 23:32.34 | gomiam | cobra-the-joker: set the group to www-data? |
| 23:32.37 | disturbedmime | apache process needs write prvileges on the directory |
| 23:32.40 | Mikaze | cobra-the-joker: man chmod and chown |
| 23:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mikaze, sausage inna bun? Fresh as... a very fresh ...old boot |
| 23:32.43 | seniorake | FOO='/some/binary/path/binary -o ption1 -o ption2 -a ndsoon --nowcomesthetrickypart --anotheroption="foo bar some string goes here"' |
| 23:32.47 | seniorake | exec $FOO |
| 23:33.06 | seniorake | when i call this script now it fails due to the "foo bar some string goes here" part |
| 23:33.19 | nsadmin | so you need a new old boot to make that palletable? |
| 23:33.32 | seniorake | but when i do cat $FOO > /tmp/test, then /tmp/test contains /some/binary/path/binary -o ption1 -o ption2 -a ndsoon --nowcomesthetrickypart --anotheroption="foo bar some string goes here" |
| 23:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all about flavor! |
| 23:33.49 | seniorake | but now, when i use this command from /tmp/test and enter it in console it executes just fine? |
| 23:33.53 | cobra-the-joker | gomiam ...how can i set the group to www-data ? |
| 23:33.55 | Mikaze | Bugrit. |
| 23:34.04 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: he needs the "faq complex" factoid ... but he should really go to bash. |
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| 23:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already pushed at him |
| 23:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's hard to move, though |
| 23:34.56 | Tramp | seniorake: go /join #bash. Then "/msg greybot faq comples" and see, if that helps |
| 23:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | does greybot only work if someone is also in #bash? |
| 23:35.13 | Tramp | seniorake: "faq complex" I meant. |
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| 23:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said he couldn't see the factoid on /msg... |
| 23:35.32 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you cannot /msg outside of the channel |
| 23:35.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 23:35.48 | seniorake | the bot just answers ">greybot< fax complex" |
| 23:36.15 | seniorake | fax... sure. sorry ;) |
| 23:36.37 | Mikaze | We need Westley Crusher to solve it. |
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| 23:37.26 | seniorake | wesley? he is too old right now. i think data did not age |
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| 23:37.43 | seniorake | ah damn i forgot about nemesis |
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| 23:38.30 | nsadmin | faq not fax :) |
| 23:38.33 | Mikaze | Least Data was running Linux. |
| 23:38.55 | nsadmin | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/050 |
| 23:39.10 | seniorake | yes i already got that, thank you |
| 23:39.43 | nsadmin | you might consider reading the bash info pages |
| 23:40.53 | seniorake | damn this is really complex. i don't get it |
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| 23:43.07 | Mikaze | sighs forlornly, out of oranges. |
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| 23:45.54 | seniorake | whow, i really don't get it. could one provie me with an example please? |
| 23:45.58 | Mikaze | And there had better be some Eve Dallas mysteries in this issue's list! |
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| 23:47.01 | ajavid | huh |
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| 23:52.29 | lupine_86 | i'm just installing grub2 in lenny... is there anything to be particularly worried about? (I'm using lvm on mdadm, but /boot is on a boring flash device acting as sda and / is non-raid and non-lvm) |
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| 23:57.04 | sladi | roe: In the control centre you can define four shortcuts and there is a calculator shortcut too, but I don't know how to change which application is called then. |
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| 23:59.42 | johny-b-goode | Hello People. |
