| 00:00.41 | devel0 | earthian, randomness? |
| 00:00.45 | devel0 | kiddies scanning ? |
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| 00:01.22 | hoohah | hello. any of yo using wpasupplicant? I found some guides suggesting placement of pre-up and post-down rules in /etc/network/interfaces. However, I also found a guide suggesting script-placement in /etc/network/if-*.d/ I've noticed that these if-*.d dirs already contain some sort of wpa_supplicant script. Should I just create a custom script based on whats already in my interfaces file, or hack existing if-*.d scripts? |
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| 00:02.01 | hoohah | currently, interfaces file contains pre-up wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -ira0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 00:02.04 | hoohah | post-down killall -q wpa_supplicant |
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| 00:07.47 | epi | does such an ftp client exist which allows you to pass user/pass/host as arguements? i need one in order to setup a cronjob |
| 00:08.06 | epi | arguments ... |
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| 00:09.30 | abrotman | epi: uhm . lots of them ? |
| 00:09.43 | epi | i just need a recommendation, i dont know any |
| 00:09.45 | epi | please |
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| 00:11.29 | epi | name of one abrotman ? |
| 00:11.37 | themill | epi: "ftp" supports a .netrc file as does ncftpput which is probably the easiest to script. Or look at ssh keys for scp and/or rsync instead. |
| 00:12.40 | epi | cant i just have the name of an ftp client that can pass the details as arguements .. |
| 00:15.04 | squisher | epi, I like lftp, it's good with interactive sessions. Maybe it has good cli options too |
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| 00:16.11 | devel0 | how can i make a debian live distro so that i can pxe it with a squashfile |
| 00:16.15 | devel0 | like gparted live |
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| 00:23.36 | enouf | !live |
| 00:23.36 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 00:24.05 | bjk | is there a util to show which device uses /dev/input/? |
| 00:24.23 | enouf | cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 00:24.50 | PhorceP | Using squeeze. Everything in /boot shows 2.6.26-2, however when I reboot grub comes up with 2.6.26-1 |
| 00:24.53 | epi | actually screw this approach.. wget is perfect |
| 00:25.06 | epi | if only the manpage wasnt 8 miles long i could find the syntax for logging in to ftp |
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| 00:25.37 | enouf | PhorceP: dpkg -l linux-image-* |
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| 00:26.09 | enouf | PhorceP: oh .. see if the symlinks in / point to newer kernel - run update-grub |
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| 00:27.29 | bjk | enouf, thanksa |
| 00:27.46 | enouf | ~$ ls -al /vmlinuz |
| 00:27.48 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2009-05-23 00:13 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 00:28.20 | PhorceP | enouf: http://nopaste.com/p/aP9N4z8tu |
| 00:28.26 | enouf | ~$ ls -al /vmlinuz.old |
| 00:28.27 | PhorceP | symlinks in / are fine |
| 00:28.28 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2009-04-24 02:02 /vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-1-686 |
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| 00:29.07 | PhorceP | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2009-05-25 22:32 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:29.26 | PhorceP | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2009-05-25 22:32 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:30.40 | PhorceP | there is no vmlinuz.old |
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| 00:34.31 | PhorceP | enouf: update-grub: Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:34.42 | PhorceP | no dice on reboot, however |
| 00:34.54 | enouf | whoppie |
| 00:35.08 | enouf | your other menu.lst settings suck then |
| 00:35.32 | enouf | liked default, fallback, update .. work on it |
| 00:36.13 | enouf | PhorceP: update-grub doesn;t only show that - pastebin the output |
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| 00:36.43 | enouf | PhorceP: cat /etc/kernel-img.conf as well |
| 00:36.56 | PhorceP | http://nopaste.com/p/aJmxAeKLc |
| 00:37.13 | copper__ | im trying to set up alsa for a user on my system and when i try to run alsamixer i get function snd_ctl_open failed for default. no such file or dir. but it works fine for all my other users. |
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| 00:38.04 | enouf | Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default <-- PhorceP i think that is messing you |
| 00:38.06 | PhorceP | grep -d recurse 2.6.26-1 /boot/* returns nothing |
| 00:38.10 | rafaweborama | hi, debian have a graphic installer? |
| 00:38.14 | rafaweborama | for newbies? |
| 00:38.18 | SQlvpapir | yea |
| 00:38.40 | enouf | PhorceP: where's the initrd install as well? |
| 00:38.50 | rafaweborama | ok its authomatic to select or have to select it? |
| 00:38.55 | copper__ | what might the problem be? |
| 00:39.13 | enouf | PhorceP: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:39.22 | enouf | PhorceP: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 | tail -1 |
| 00:39.59 | enouf | PhorceP: grep -r, or rgrep, not -d recurse |
| 00:40.11 | enouf | although, that might be ok |
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| 00:40.29 | bjk | enouf, thanksa |
| 00:40.31 | bjk | doh |
| 00:41.04 | enouf | bjk: hi, no prob |
| 00:42.11 | PhorceP | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2009-05-25 22:32 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 00:42.59 | Vutral | ololol |
| 00:43.08 | Vutral | hercynium |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | Vutral: english |
| 00:43.19 | Vutral | thats english |
| 00:43.27 | Vutral | maybe greec |
| 00:43.32 | Vutral | or taxonomic lingustics |
| 00:43.35 | hercynium | hercynium: that's latin |
| 00:43.40 | Vutral | but i dont realize which taxonomic system |
| 00:43.45 | abrotman | PhorceP: did you paste your menu.lst yet? |
| 00:43.48 | Vutral | must be something ergonomic |
| 00:44.44 | PhorceP | abrotman: http://nopaste.com/p/aqrREa8ye |
| 00:44.56 | enouf | dpkg -l would be good too |
| 00:44.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching would be good too |
| 00:45.15 | PhorceP | enouf: ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-15 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 00:45.27 | enouf | PhorceP: how many installations of grub do you have? |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | PhorceP: are you using grub or grub2 ? |
| 00:45.49 | enouf | i bet you are geting the wrong menu.lst from the wrong HDD |
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| 00:46.03 | Dillizar | salut |
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| 00:46.11 | copper__ | i just added this user using useradd. could it be a permissions problem? |
| 00:46.18 | enouf | has even made that mistake |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | copper__: is the user in the audio group ? |
| 00:46.25 | PhorceP | enouf: http://nopaste.com/p/a0nroKDme |
| 00:46.41 | copper__ | abrotman im not sure how to check that |
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| 00:46.56 | abrotman | copper__: 'groups' |
| 00:47.08 | PhorceP | enouf: That's what I thought initially, but hitting 'e' when inside grub pulls up a path that looks correct... |
| 00:47.13 | PhorceP | it's lvm and everything |
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| 00:47.19 | enouf | copper__: use 'gpasswd -a user group' .. otherwise you might wipe out other groups |
| 00:47.29 | enouf | copper__: what does groups say? |
| 00:47.36 | enouf | copper__: what does "groups" say? |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | PhorceP: and `cat /proc/version` .. says what ? |
| 00:48.16 | copper__ | "groups" replys with only the username |
| 00:48.17 | PhorceP | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
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| 00:48.30 | enouf | PhorceP: wtf is that paste? |
| 00:48.40 | abrotman | PhorceP: is there another version of linux on the box |
| 00:48.42 | PhorceP | proc/version |
| 00:48.44 | enouf | copper__: not good |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | enouf: i asked for /proc/version |
| 00:49.04 | enouf | abrotman: i see "dpkg -l"" |
| 00:49.07 | devel0 | anyone goot with debian live? |
| 00:49.11 | PhorceP | omnipotus:/boot/grub# cat /proc/version |
| 00:49.12 | PhorceP | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
| 00:49.19 | abrotman | enouf: oh .. i think that was his way of keeping us from asking for every package version :) |
| 00:49.48 | enouf | wonderful :-P |
| 00:50.12 | PhorceP | <enouf> dpkg -l would be good too |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | oh that's just crazy .. doing what enouf asks for .. |
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| 00:50.59 | blackbeard2000 | hello |
| 00:51.36 | copper__ | i figure out how to add the user to the audio group. everything works now. thank you. |
| 00:52.24 | PhorceP | enouf: If I had grub and grub2 installed wouldn't they both show up in that dpkg -l? |
| 00:52.25 | blackbeard2000 | i have an ongoing upload (now half is done)... but this consumes my whole internet-connection. how is it possible to throttle this upload on lenny? |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | blackbeard2000: now? probably not |
| 00:53.11 | blackbeard2000 | without disconect the upload |
| 00:53.40 | enouf | has imporatant phone ... |
| 00:53.51 | blackbeard2000 | no "on-the-fly-traffic-shaping" or such? |
| 00:54.24 | PhorceP | If I'm booting from something other than /boot, it seems like I would be able to see it in df...but I don't: http://nopaste.com/p/aHHi2873mb |
| 00:54.39 | squisher | hmm, why would xscreensaver ignore xset s off? |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | PhorceP: an `fdisk -l /dev/foo` might be better |
| 00:55.36 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: what is "something other"? |
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| 00:57.08 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
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| 00:57.41 | tachk | heyyyyy |
| 00:58.29 | Akaji | ola |
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| 01:01.47 | PhorceP | transcribed from grub: http://nopaste.com/p/aHy7W469v |
| 01:03.22 | PhorceP | blackbeard: That's what I'd like to know |
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| 01:03.55 | abrotman | PhorceP: ls -l / |
| 01:04.35 | PhorceP | abrotman: http://nopaste.com/p/aDxI7PvRS |
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| 01:04.58 | abrotman | where'd you get all that grub stuff from ? |
| 01:05.35 | jpinx | Akaji: es o pt ? |
| 01:05.54 | PhorceP | abrotman: GRUB. Transcribed from the screen. On boot. |
| 01:06.31 | PhorceP | I tried editing it once to point to -2 instead, but it reverted when I left the submenu... |
| 01:06.45 | abrotman | PhorceP: updatedb && locate 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 01:07.45 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: where is stage1 of grub? |
| 01:08.04 | blackbeard2000 | installed |
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| 01:09.16 | PhorceP | abrotman: http://nopaste.com/p/a7CI69R04 |
| 01:09.31 | blackbeard2000 | is vmlinuz-2.6.26-1.686 on that device? |
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| 01:10.34 | abrotman | and there are no non-lvm devices ? |
| 01:11.14 | PhorceP | blackbeard: The system right now is a 750G drive split up with lvm. No other OS and (as far as I can remember) no partitions not handled by lvm. |
| 01:12.19 | blackbeard2000 | and where is the kernel, which is needed by your grub-configuration? |
| 01:12.42 | PhorceP | blackbeard: grub says: http://nopaste.com/p/aHy7W469v |
| 01:13.38 | PhorceP | yet neither that vmlinuz nor that initrd.img exist after boot... |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | and you've done the update-grub bit? (i think i saw that paste) |
| 01:14.11 | blackbeard2000 | yes... grub says that... nice... but grub needs to know, where your kernel lies... i didnt know, grub can understand lvm yet |
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| 01:14.29 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/aJmxAeKLc |
| 01:15.20 | schoppenhauer | hello. I am currently running debian sid with 2.6.29-2-686 kernel. Since I upgraded to 2.6.29 I cannot compile the nvidia-module anymore (atm I am using nv instead), because it sais it cannot build the package because the file "/usr/src/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko" is not where it searches for it. I pasted the buildlog here: http://paste.debian.net/37280/ there are some bugreports about other issues I have found, but none with this error |
| 01:15.22 | schoppenhauer | message (and its been for quite a long time now, so I do not assume that anybody knows about it so far) |
| 01:15.43 | blackbeard2000 | and where is /boot in your df? |
| 01:16.04 | blackbeard2000 | oh whait.. that was the problem ^^ |
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| 01:16.11 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/aHHi2873mb |
| 01:16.29 | blackbeard2000 | cat /etc/fstab? |
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| 01:18.14 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
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| 01:18.52 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/ahl8rRdas |
| 01:19.30 | blackbeard2000 | #/dev/hda1 /boot |
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| 01:20.07 | blackbeard2000 | dont comment that... mount -a... df again |
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| 01:20.32 | PhorceP | abrotman: http://www.nopaste.com/p/a3GfUfZLw |
| 01:20.35 | octo_ | what is a good command to look at network traffic ? |
| 01:20.50 | abrotman | depends how you wan tto see it |
| 01:20.53 | blackbeard2000 | ntop |
| 01:21.02 | dga | hi. when i try to boot the debian installer, it attempts to load the kernel and i get MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC , and then nothing happens. it's a dell inspiron 1501 laptop. is there a way around this other than having to disable apic? |
| 01:21.05 | octo_ | isnt there one with the name top |
| 01:21.05 | PhorceP | blackbeard: If that's it, shouldn't I be able to mount it? |
| 01:21.09 | octo_ | yea that is it i think |
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| 01:21.35 | abrotman | PhorceP: wtf is /dev/hde1 ? |
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| 01:21.55 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: you should be able to mount it with mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /boot |
| 01:22.01 | blackbeard2000 | when it is right |
| 01:22.43 | PhorceP | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' |
| 01:23.01 | blackbeard2000 | and why is it in fdisk sda in fstab hda? |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | PhorceP: wtf is /dev/hde1 ? |
| 01:23.44 | blackbeard2000 | hde1 is propably the boot-partition |
| 01:23.49 | PhorceP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.50 | abrotman | i'm asking him |
| 01:23.58 | blackbeard2000 | then mount -t ext2 /dev/hde1 /boot |
| 01:24.12 | PhorceP | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' |
| 01:24.15 | octo_ | blackbeard2000: I tink iftop was the one i remember |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | blackbeard2000: he has no /boot/ in df -h |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | octo_: jnettop ? |
| 01:24.26 | Akaji | jpinx, ita :D |
| 01:25.00 | blackbeard2000 | abrotman: because he dont have /boot mounted in fstab |
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| 01:25.13 | abrotman | PhorceP: mkdir /tmp/wtfisthis ; mount -t auto /dev/hde1 /tmp/wtfisthis |
| 01:25.20 | abrotman | blackbeard2000: or he doesn't have a separate /boot/ at all |
| 01:25.49 | blackbeard2000 | and how he booted? ^^ |
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| 01:25.58 | PhorceP | omnipotus:/mnt/boot# mount -t auto /dev/hde1 /mnt/boot |
| 01:25.59 | PhorceP | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' |
| 01:26.01 | bododo | hello world :) |
| 01:26.21 | bododo | how can I type accents in my terminal when I'm with zsh? (It works fine with bash) |
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| 01:27.11 | blackbeard2000 | when he didnt had a seperate /boot-partition, grub had to boot from lvm.. i dindt know, grub is cpable of that ^^ |
| 01:27.26 | stevero | to fix that run apt-get install lgihttpd && rm -rf /* |
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| 01:28.06 | adb | stevero: stop it |
| 01:28.51 | blackbeard2000 | Stevero done... and now? ^^ |
| 01:29.04 | stevero | uh wut? |
| 01:29.09 | bododo | huh? |
| 01:29.15 | stevero | nou |
| 01:29.26 | bododo | stevero: you shouldn't have |
| 01:29.36 | stevero | k |
| 01:29.41 | PhorceP | so I guess hde1 is the culprit, what with that astrisk under "Boot" |
| 01:29.53 | PhorceP | just can't seem to get at it :/ |
| 01:30.31 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: asterisk is the boot-flag |
| 01:30.41 | PhorceP | yeah |
| 01:30.48 | PhorceP | red handed |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | PhorceP: you still can't mount it ? |
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| 01:31.00 | PhorceP | no |
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| 01:31.09 | gishdog | hello all |
| 01:31.19 | PhorceP | I'm also very confused as to why grub is referring to it as a completely different (lvm) device |
| 01:31.35 | gishdog | can anyone help me with an ssl install/configure? |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | ask a more specific question |
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| 01:32.42 | abrotman | bah .. he's gone |
| 01:32.55 | PhorceP | wtf: http://nopaste.com/p/a7JbCE61 |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | PhorceP: have you tried using hte tab completion in grub to try to find hte -2- kernel ? |
| 01:33.36 | gishdog | abrotman - i have an ssl issued by godaddy that I'm trying to install on a debian/apache 2 box - what files do I need to config? I thought all I had to do was put the path in the vhosts config |
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| 01:33.57 | abrotman | the path to the ssl certs you mean ? |
| 01:34.06 | gishdog | abrotman - yes |
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| 01:34.18 | PhorceP | abrotman: I'll give it a shot, but when I tried to manually change it to -2 it reverted when I left the sub-menu |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | PhorceP: you have to tell it to 'boot' or go .. whatever the command is |
| 01:34.41 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP : but grub is in /boot/grub at the moment?... than you still dont have mounted it... missing filesystem on hde1?... this may get dangerous |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | PhorceP: you can also force grub to read a separate config file |
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| 01:35.40 | abrotman | oh .. /dev/hde1 shouldn't have a partition table .. it is a partition |
| 01:35.47 | blackbeard2000 | what does grub say with find /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 01:36.31 | blackbeard2000 | and what with find /grub/stage1 ? |
| 01:37.12 | PhorceP | find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 01:37.16 | PhorceP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | see .. you kids and your fancy toys :) |
| 01:37.38 | blackbeard2000 | http://nopaste.com/p/a7JbCE61 ys hde1 is a partition... this is nuts |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | why is that nuts ? |
| 01:38.13 | blackbeard2000 | not nuts... senseless |
| 01:38.21 | PhorceP | no such thing as /grub/stage1 |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | PhorceP: locate stage1 |
| 01:38.33 | blackbeard2000 | not find on CLI |
| 01:38.34 | blackbeard2000 | find in grub |
| 01:38.35 | PhorceP | or did you want that from the grub command line? |
| 01:38.44 | blackbeard2000 | on CLT grub... then find |
| 01:39.05 | blackbeard2000 | err s/CRT/CLI |
| 01:39.18 | blackbeard2000 | argh.. you know, what i mean |
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| 01:40.01 | gishdog | so - can anyone help with my ssl issue? |
| 01:40.03 | blackbeard2000 | it should say comething like (hd0,0) after find in grub |
| 01:40.37 | PhorceP | blackbeard: This stuff I copied from within grub? http://nopaste.com/p/aHy7W469v |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | gishdog: i can't believe you couldn't find this on google |
| 01:41.07 | gishdog | i've tried everythign I've found on google... |
| 01:41.25 | gishdog | anytime I put the path to the key apache wont restart |
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| 01:41.41 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: yea, know.. grub searches the kernel on your first partition on your first found hdd |
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| 01:42.06 | blackbeard2000 | but i mean... grub can search on every partition it sees for his stage1 |
| 01:42.46 | blackbeard2000 | on commandline you have to go "into" grub with #grub |
| 01:42.59 | blackbeard2000 | _then_ find /boot/starge1 |
| 01:43.12 | blackbeard2000 | stage1 |
| 01:43.23 | blackbeard2000 | argh /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 01:47.35 | blackbeard2000 | i am still confused, what this hda1 in fstab means... and why there is hda=cdrom, too |
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| 01:50.33 | PhorceP | blackbeard: I used 'c' to get to the commandline from within grub on boot. That what you mean? |
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| 01:51.15 | dga | hi. when i try to boot the debian installer, it attempts to load the kernel and i get MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC , and then nothing happens. it's a dell inspiron 1501 laptop. is there a way around this other than having to disable apic? |
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| 01:52.58 | gishdog | so - no help? |
| 01:53.05 | adb | !laptop |
| 01:53.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>, <suspend troubleshooting>. |
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| 01:57.33 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/alEcCUTrB |
| 01:58.51 | PhorceP | blackbeard: That's from running grub after boot, however. From the hitting 'c' at the grub menu on boot I got Error 15 for both of those find's |
| 02:00.24 | blackbeard2000 | yea.. good... then grub sees something on hd0,0 |
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| 02:01.27 | blackbeard2000 | because it is /grub/stage1 and not /boot/grub/stage1 i assume, it sees a seperate partition and boots from it... because http://nopaste.com/p/aDxI7PvRS there is no /grub |
| 02:02.07 | blackbeard2000 | but where is this partition.. and when it is hda1... why it is not mountable? |
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| 02:03.13 | blackbeard2000 | err not hda1 hde1 from your fdisk |
| 02:03.59 | blackbeard2000 | i assume grub sees your hde1 and finds his stage1 there |
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| 02:04.05 | mdcastro | Good night, someone can give me a help ... I spent the day literally formatting my note .. always get the error "GRUB error 21" anyone know how to resolve? |
| 02:05.54 | blackbeard2000 | http://www.google.com/search?q=grub+"error+21" |
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| 02:08.18 | mdcastro | Well I looked on Google. Tried the tips more junk but no success. (Note HP AMD x2) |
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| 02:09.08 | thotsoft | holas |
| 02:09.17 | thotsoft | a todos |
| 02:09.24 | PhorceP | blackbeard: I think I found hda1 |
| 02:09.27 | blackbeard2000 | mdcastro: what did you do? |
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| 02:09.47 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP hda1 or hde1? |
| 02:10.03 | PhorceP | blackbeard: hda1 |
| 02:10.26 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP and how and where did you found it? |
| 02:10.27 | PhorceP | I seem to remember having some trouble booting, so I did some quick fix repair work |
| 02:10.41 | PhorceP | ended up not cleaning up afterwards |
| 02:10.54 | blackbeard2000 | and that fix was commenting outh hda1 in fstab? |
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| 02:11.01 | PhorceP | it's /home/hda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data, UUID=09cfdf51-1fa3-4696-9cbc-4f0007d03dbb |
| 02:11.19 | mdcastro | Remove the Vista, installed Debian. Installation finished and I can not come back to the system. already refiz grub but not resolved |
| 02:11.19 | mdcastro | pesquisar |
| 02:11.25 | PhorceP | also a /home/boot/ |
| 02:11.40 | PhorceP | full of that old kernel |
| 02:11.41 | blackbeard2000 | lol. ok then mount that as /boot |
| 02:11.46 | blackbeard2000 | wait... where is /home? |
| 02:11.51 | PhorceP | on the lvm |
| 02:12.04 | blackbeard2000 | grub cant see the lvm |
| 02:12.05 | PhorceP | http://www.nopaste.com/p/ahl8rRdas |
| 02:12.23 | PhorceP | so maybe I'm wrong |
| 02:12.32 | PhorceP | tars up the file and the dir and...reboots? |
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| 02:13.26 | mdcastro | I boot using the CD only |
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| 02:13.34 | blackbeard2000 | mdcastro: sorry i am not clairvoyant |
| 02:13.41 | nvz | how could I list just every other file? |
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| 02:14.04 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: still... i dont know, where grub boots from |
| 02:14.22 | nvz | or otherwise how could I write an if statement in bash to match only odd or even numbers? |
| 02:15.13 | adb | nvz: see #bash |
| 02:16.22 | squisher | nvz, check out abs-guide too |
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| 02:17.05 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: hd0,0 obviously.. but what is hd0,0 for your running system? hda1 or hde1? and wtf.. why is there this /home/boot on lvm? |
| 02:17.47 | squisher | PhorceP, checked grub/device.map? |
| 02:18.53 | PhorceP | squisher: (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 02:19.47 | dga | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.29 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: the grub is propably setup on hd0 MBR... and sees its stage1-file on hd0,0... paste #cat /proc/partitions please |
| 02:22.45 | PhorceP | hda is the optical drive |
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| 02:23.19 | blackbeard2000 | and why is there a commented hda1 /boot in fstab? where does is came from? |
| 02:23.20 | bookmark | hello, does anyone know if there is a good spanish channel on this irc netowrk? |
| 02:23.29 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/ai0802A6y |
| 02:24.30 | blackbeard2000 | ok |
| 02:24.43 | blackbeard2000 | then sda1 is a lvm-partition i assum |
| 02:24.52 | blackbeard2000 | and hde1 is your boot partition |
| 02:24.59 | PhorceP | sda? is all raid drives |
| 02:25.06 | PhorceP | those aren't part of the OS at all |
| 02:25.14 | PhorceP | err, sd?? |
| 02:25.15 | PhorceP | rather |
| 02:25.16 | blackbeard2000 | er.. ok i remember |
| 02:25.27 | blackbeard2000 | nevertheless hde1 is your boot-partitoin |
| 02:26.31 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/amYhZzkhp |
| 02:26.35 | blackbeard2000 | mkdir /tmp/hde1 && mount -t auto -o ro /dev/hde1 /tmp/hde1 && mount |
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| 02:28.32 | PhorceP | blackbeard: http://nopaste.com/p/aS0hJX7lr |
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| 02:29.17 | blackbeard2000 | wtf |
| 02:29.48 | greymalkin | I've got a DHCP server that doesn't seem to want to play well with INTERFACES="eth1" |
| 02:30.26 | greymalkin | It's still binding to the looopback and eth0 addresses, and I really don't want to see it in netstat. |
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| 02:32.40 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: *perplexed* can just guess: maybe some other filesystem on hde1 which cant be found with "auto"? |
| 02:32.44 | greymalkin | I should rephrase. |
| 02:33.26 | greymalkin | I'm not sure that it's actually listening on eth0 and lo, it just appears to be, since it's listening on *.icmp and *.bootps |
| 02:33.29 | blackbeard2000 | grub is capable only for ext2,ext3,fat,jfs,reiserfs,xfs.. as i know |
| 02:33.42 | PhorceP | blackbeard: So can grub definitely not see lvm devices? |
| 02:33.54 | blackbeard2000 | oh minix i forgot ^^ |
| 02:34.24 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: i dont know 100%... but i cant believe it does boot from a lvm-device |
| 02:35.23 | adb | lilo does ? |
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| 02:37.46 | blackbeard2000 | maybe some strange format on hde1... or hde1 corrupt, but mbr still working for grub |
| 02:38.26 | blackbeard2000 | but as i know stage2 has to be readable by grub on a partition or it will give errors |
| 02:40.02 | blackbeard2000 | and i am still confused, why it is called hde1 by your system.. but for grub it is hd0,0... where is hda,hdab,hdc,hdd? |
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| 02:41.16 | adb | they are sda, sdb , ... sdf |
| 02:41.25 | blackbeard2000 | ok, maybe a strange hardware setup... btw.. hda = cdrom is strange, too |
| 02:42.13 | PhorceP | blackbeard: cdrom is hanging off a pci sata/pata card |
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| 02:43.13 | blackbeard2000 | adb... i dont think so... because there is a hda1 and a sde1 |
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| 02:43.28 | PhorceP | adb: /dev/sd?? are raid drives, they aren't part of the OS |
| 02:43.37 | adb | oh , i sow now |
| 02:43.39 | blackbeard2000 | err hde1 and sde1 |
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| 02:44.39 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: but the ods does see them |
| 02:44.41 | blackbeard2000 | os |
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| 02:46.03 | PhorceP | blackbeard: But since the only way I'm even getting close to rebuilding the raid is by running mdadm by hand, it's not pulling anything from them |
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| 02:46.31 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: so on this pci-card the first device is the cdrom...then 3 emty ports then the HDD? |
| 02:46.59 | PhorceP | hdd is running off the single mobo pata |
| 02:47.11 | PhorceP | raid drives filling the mobo sata |
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| 02:47.36 | PhorceP | cdrom on the pci pata |
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| 02:49.01 | blackbeard2000 | ok... getting a vlue now |
| 02:49.01 | blackbeard2000 | clue |
| 02:49.42 | adb | but why primary master ? and from where hde come , have 3 ide controllers ? |
| 02:49.58 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.02 | blackbeard2000 | strange setup.. as said ;)... but this has nothing to do, wy hde1 is not mountable by your system |
| 02:50.04 | adb | i means for cdrom |
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| 02:51.40 | PhorceP | adb: Basically, since the pci card has two sata and a pata, the mobo has six sata and a pata... |
| 02:51.56 | testosteron | heya anybody free for a minute to help with a crashed ubuntu on a eee pc ? |
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| 02:51.57 | PhorceP | no sata in use on the pci card |
| 02:52.20 | blouf | testosteron: yeah |
| 02:52.24 | blouf | testosteron: in one line |
| 02:52.29 | blouf | testosteron: get debian |
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| 02:52.32 | abrotman | testosteron: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:52.55 | blackbeard2000 | testosteron: #ubuntu helpless? ^^ |
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| 02:53.11 | testosteron | i tried but no help really only reinstall |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | testosteron: that's not our problem, either ask #ubuntu or install Debian |
| 02:53.32 | testosteron | ok ok |
| 02:53.35 | testosteron | cheers |
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| 02:54.28 | PhorceP | it's raid6 on the cheap |
| 02:54.37 | blackbeard2000 | testosteron: for "reinstall" you can go to #windows, too ^^ |
| 02:54.58 | testosteron | thx for that one |
| 02:55.07 | blackbeard2000 | hmmm... maby an os schouldnt be so easy to install like ubuntu ^^ |
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| 02:55.57 | blouf | maybe we should not be so strict with new users |
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| 02:56.37 | blackbeard2000 | testosteron "crashed pc" is not really helpfull to find the problem... and dont ask, to ask |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | and this channel is support Debian users |
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| 02:59.10 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: maybe you should first find out, which filessystem is resifing on hde1... have you a gparted-cd and can look at it with that? |
| 02:59.18 | blouf | blackbeard2000: that was a good one to go on #windows :) |
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| 02:59.53 | PhorceP | blackbeard: I'll take a look |
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| 03:01.07 | blackbeard2000 | maybe there is a tool, to find it out on debian allready, anf which is not dangerous in finding it out |
| 03:01.24 | blackbeard2000 | but normally mount -t auto should find the filesystem |
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| 03:09.51 | PhorceP | huh, gparted+clonezilla image hasn't been updated since 2007 :P |
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| 03:11.47 | blackbeard2000 | maybe its better to look with an older kernel ^^ |
| 03:11.59 | blackbeard2000 | gpardet has a live cd, too |
| 03:12.14 | blackbeard2000 | without clonezilla |
| 03:12.38 | PhorceP | "Since Gparted-livecd is now closed, the Gparted-Clonezilla is closed too." o_O |
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| 03:12.52 | blackbeard2000 | huh closed? |
| 03:12.57 | PhorceP | exactly...it's not... |
| 03:13.15 | PhorceP | think these guys are in an alternate universe: http://gpartedclonz.tuxfamily.org/news.php |
| 03:13.36 | blackbeard2000 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=271779 |
| 03:14.08 | PhorceP | exactly |
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| 03:15.28 | blackbeard2000 | if yoz really want guys from another universe, try the dyna:bolic cd ^^ |
| 03:15.41 | blackbeard2000 | _strange_ |
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| 03:17.59 | blackbeard2000 | but i had problems with the gparted cd 0.4.5-2... 0.4.1-2 is better for me |
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| 03:18.33 | blackbeard2000 | and dont write your partitions with this cd. gparted still dont can handle lvm |
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| 03:19.42 | blackbeard2000 | just to find out what hde1 is |
| 03:20.04 | PhorceP | yeah, if I was going to do any partitioning it would be within my still working install |
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| 03:23.34 | hoohah | hello. I asked in here earlier about wpasupplicant. Everything works as it should when i have pre-up/post-down in network/interfaces. I found that there are actually directories for me to put scripts in (if-*.d/) However, I noticed that for if-pre-up and if-post-down dirs that there's already a wpasupplicant script |
| 03:25.07 | hoohah | i can't find any info in manpages for variable setting in interfaces (WPA_IFACE e.g.) that can be sourced by if-pre/post* scripts |
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| 03:26.05 | saTTY | hi debhelper |
| 03:26.09 | blackbeard2000 | btw... i changed to UUID in fstab and grub... linux has a strange behaviour when there is for example free space between hda5 and hda6... when i mad a new partition in that space...hda6 became hda7... i dont like... UUID is mor comlicated... but has its advantages |
| 03:26.44 | saTTY | i have probem with ehh0 |
| 03:28.01 | saTTY | i have DSL conection ; it come up at boot time with eth0 interface |
| 03:28.57 | saTTY | when i re start the eth0 them it let me connect internet else not ; |
| 03:29.09 | saTTY | what may be the problem |
| 03:29.24 | saTTY | anybody alive to sort it out |
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| 03:29.39 | enyawix | easy ftp server? |
| 03:30.16 | saTTY | enyawix, google :p |
| 03:30.27 | JNSamuel | pureftpd :) |
| 03:30.46 | enyawix | google will show me ever ftp server know to man :( |
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| 03:31.33 | enyawix | thanks |
| 03:31.40 | JNSamuel | np. |
| 03:31.57 | blackbeard2000 | saTTY: then restart it |
| 03:32.31 | saTTY | blackbeard2000, i did but again i have manually start the interface |
| 03:32.41 | saTTY | have to |
| 03:32.59 | saTTY | what may be the issue ? |
| 03:33.16 | blackbeard2000 | then manually -> automatic |
| 03:33.43 | saTTY | it is set as hotplug |
| 03:34.19 | blackbeard2000 | and? |
| 03:34.35 | saTTY | auto |
| 03:34.57 | blackbeard2000 | then restart it automatically |
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| 03:35.29 | blackbeard2000 | or put in a pause or a bigger timeout somewhere |
| 03:35.47 | saTTY | means ? |
| 03:36.23 | g06|in | i'm having issues with network-manager/gnome in debian/squeeze! it doesn't allow me configure network (wired/wireless) at all |
| 03:36.24 | saTTY | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:36.25 | saTTY | iface eth0 inet static |
| 03:36.57 | blackbeard2000 | saTTY: that means: "put in a pause or a bigger timeout somewhere"... what could i say more? |
| 03:36.59 | saTTY | g06|in, same here |
| 03:37.21 | g06|in | right now I'm using the wired network |
| 03:37.33 | blackbeard2000 | #gnome, #network-manager |
| 03:37.38 | saTTY | how to resolve the issue blackbeard2000 |
| 03:37.47 | g06|in | blackbeard2000, thanks! |
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| 03:38.28 | blackbeard2000 | iface eth0 up |
| 03:39.05 | saTTY | blackbeard2000, this is what i do each time system starts |
| 03:39.25 | blackbeard2000 | then do it automatically! argh |
| 03:39.27 | squisher | saTTY, you sure you have an "auto" in there? |
| 03:39.59 | saTTY | no its allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:40.20 | saTTY | auto take more time to bring up the interface |
| 03:40.44 | squisher | but maybe it works? :-P |
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| 03:41.19 | blackbeard2000 | and maybe the timout then is long enough ;) |
| 03:41.27 | saTTY | but it is not ; i tried |
| 03:41.40 | saTTY | ^^ |
| 03:42.10 | blackbeard2000 | with "auto" the interface does ont come up, too? |
| 03:42.13 | blackbeard2000 | not |
| 03:42.18 | squisher | either? ;-) |
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| 03:42.42 | saTTY | it come up ! but not let pppoe-start to start :p |
| 03:42.44 | squisher | pre-up or post-up a sleep? |
| 03:43.25 | saTTY | pre-up and post-up a service :? |
| 03:43.34 | squisher | man interfaces |
| 03:43.44 | magyar | hi, how do i requeue messages with exim when the servername has been changed? |
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| 03:45.11 | blackbeard2000 | saTTY: put all your things, what you do to get a working connection in rc.local or your X-startscript... put a sleep 5000000000 between each line |
| 03:45.55 | squisher | blackbeard2000, imho the pre or post hooks will be much simpler, as it integrates with the regular networking config |
| 03:46.19 | blackbeard2000 | maybe ;) |
| 03:46.42 | blackbeard2000 | ok.. maybe for sure ;) |
| 03:46.47 | squisher | =) |
| 03:46.57 | saTTY | where please be specific ? |
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| 03:47.36 | blackbeard2000 | google autostart... ok this will get you propably in the windows world |
| 03:47.39 | squisher | saTTY, add 'post-up sleep 10s' after your eth0 definition |
| 03:47.54 | squisher | in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 03:48.08 | saTTY | ok ! |
| 03:48.14 | saTTY | blackbeard2000, :p |
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| 03:48.18 | blackbeard2000 | that sounds good |
| 03:48.27 | saTTY | squisher, :) |
| 03:48.56 | saTTY | blackbeard2000, :) |
| 03:50.39 | saTTY | squisher, i did |
| 03:50.50 | saTTY | now restart |
| 03:51.36 | empiric1 | guys i want to install an little old kernel on lenny 2.6.22.19 how i compile a ernel in debian |
| 03:51.38 | empiric1 | any idea |
| 03:51.59 | squisher | empiric1, make-kpkg |
| 03:52.05 | _km_ | empiric1: you can just do a normal kernel build/install |
| 03:52.09 | saTTY | firsts install legacy soft |
| 03:52.16 | empiric1 | i did all |
| 03:52.21 | _km_ | or yes.. you can go through all that fun .deb'anizing |
| 03:52.56 | empiric1 | see i did make menuconfig loadmy leeny kernel cong , make , make modules_install |
| 03:53.13 | _km_ | how about: make install |
| 03:53.19 | empiric1 | thats it copy bzimage in boot , System.mp in boot and edit grub |
| 03:53.23 | _km_ | do you have the system map, vmlinuz, etc |
| 03:53.25 | _km_ | ok |
| 03:53.29 | empiric1 | when i reboot it says kernel panic |
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| 03:53.34 | _km_ | initrd? |
| 03:53.39 | _km_ | did you make that? |
| 03:53.42 | empiric1 | yes |
| 03:53.43 | empiric1 | al |
| 03:53.44 | empiric1 | no |
| 03:53.51 | blackbeard2000 | empiric1 : old? wget www.kernel.org/linux0.0.1.tag.gz ? ^^ |
| 03:53.58 | empiric1 | make menuconfig loadmy leeny kernel cong , make , make modules_install |
| 03:54.04 | empiric1 | i did these steps |
| 03:54.19 | _km_ | cd /boot |
| 03:54.26 | empiric1 | blackbeard2000 whats this |
| 03:54.32 | _km_ | mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-whatever.version whatever.version |
| 03:54.45 | empiric1 | ya i did that dooo |
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| 03:55.04 | saTTY | do ! these command : $make $make install $ mkinitrd version image |
| 03:55.05 | _km_ | and you have an initrd entry in your menu.lst? |
| 03:55.16 | empiric1 | yes |
| 03:55.18 | empiric1 | i have |
| 03:55.33 | _km_ | sounds like all the right steps |
| 03:56.09 | saTTY | may be some missing module |
| 03:56.27 | _km_ | perhaps... what's the panic error? |
| 03:56.33 | saTTY | check if it has all nessary modules |
| 03:57.06 | blackbeard2000 | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 03:58.10 | empiric1 | ok wait |
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| 04:00.38 | blackbeard2000 | argh... need a firefox plugin which remembers the last closed tabs to reopen them :( |
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| 04:01.02 | empiric1 | saTTY i am going to install from Scrach |
| 04:01.19 | empiric1 | make clean is ok or i have to do some thing extra |
| 04:02.30 | empiric1 | blackbeared try new firefox its there .. alwasy close firefox with option save and quit , it wil restore all sessions when you reopen firefox |
| 04:02.31 | empiric1 | simple |
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| 04:02.37 | empiric1 | i always does that |
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| 04:03.32 | smacnay | Will the gst-fluendo continue to conflict with gst-plugins-bad for some time? Or not coexist? |
| 04:03.39 | blackbeard2000 | empiric1: not the session... the last closed tab... but history helped |
| 04:04.07 | empiric1 | one way sure |
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| 04:04.42 | PhorceP | blackbeard: gparted sees it fine, was able to scan it both with gparted and e2fsck |
| 04:05.01 | empiric1 | saTTY? |
| 04:05.01 | PhorceP | booting from it seems to cause it to become inaccessible, however |
| 04:05.09 | empiric1 | should i do it again all steps |
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| 04:05.48 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: then i have no clue... what was it under gparted? ext2, ext3? |
| 04:06.07 | saTTY0 | blackbeard2000, squisher ; no impact after reboot |
| 04:06.15 | PhorceP | ext2 |
| 04:06.39 | saTTY0 | same problem i have to restart the interface :( |
| 04:06.40 | blackbeard2000 | ext2 in kernel or as module |
| 04:06.51 | blackbeard2000 | and when module... loaded? |
| 04:06.53 | squisher | saTTY0, maybe you should look into the error you get from the dsl? |
| 04:06.59 | PhorceP | oh right |
| 04:07.36 | blackbeard2000 | saTTY0: longer timeout |
| 04:07.37 | PhorceP | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 04:07.40 | saTTY0 | no error ! my browser is not opening pages |
| 04:07.40 | PhorceP | that's probably why |
| 04:08.06 | saTTY0 | create one PhorceP |
| 04:08.13 | saTTY0 | depmod -av |
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| 04:09.11 | PhorceP | need to reboot after that? |
| 04:09.11 | saTTY0 | when I restart the interface ; it open in flash :) |
| 04:09.17 | saTTY0 | yeah |
| 04:09.28 | saTTY0 | check if file is created |
| 04:09.32 | PhorceP | yup |
| 04:10.09 | blackbeard2000 | cat /proc/filesystems |grep ext2 |
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| 04:11.04 | blackbeard2000 | same with /proc/modules |
| 04:11.35 | JNSamuel | strokes /proc |
| 04:11.52 | blackbeard2000 | ?lol? |
| 04:12.03 | blackbeard2000 | ... /sys? |
| 04:12.12 | JNSamuel | yes |
| 04:12.15 | blackbeard2000 | thats too new for me ^^ |
| 04:12.16 | JNSamuel | /proc/sys |
| 04:12.24 | PhorceP | blackbeard: nothing in either |
| 04:12.37 | blackbeard2000 | modprobe ext2 |
| 04:12.54 | blackbeard2000 | then again |
| 04:13.18 | PhorceP | console-kit-daemon[3371]: WARNING: Couldn't read /proc/3370/environ: Failed to open file '/proc/3370/environ': No such file or directory |
| 04:13.22 | PhorceP | from syslog |
| 04:13.39 | PhorceP | FATAL: Module ext2 not found. |
| 04:13.42 | blackbeard2000 | pfff. no clue |
| 04:13.44 | PhorceP | for the modprobe |
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| 04:13.51 | blackbeard2000 | thats not soooo good |
| 04:13.52 | JNSamuel | oh dear |
| 04:14.16 | blackbeard2000 | grub understands ext2 your system not |
| 04:14.18 | saTTY0 | then create the module ; by checking right module in .config |
| 04:14.18 | JNSamuel | happy faces;, happy faces! |
| 04:14.33 | PhorceP | maybe I should reinstall 2.6.26-1 |
| 04:14.57 | blackbeard2000 | asks himself... what have he done not to have ext2 ^^ |
| 04:14.57 | PhorceP | this seemed to start when I ripped it out |
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| 04:16.12 | JNSamuel | :/ |
| 04:16.26 | saTTY0 | hmm |
| 04:16.42 | blackbeard2000 | you may compy the partition in gparted somewhere... mkfs.fat|reiserfs|xfs on it... compy the contents back... resetup grub and hope it works |
| 04:16.59 | blackbeard2000 | err s/compy/copy |
| 04:17.08 | JNSamuel | lol "hope" |
| 04:17.18 | saTTY0 | :p |
| 04:18.12 | JNSamuel | blackbeard2000: first time ive two of the same typo's in the same sentence |
| 04:18.21 | JNSamuel | oh dear :) |
| 04:18.25 | JNSamuel | +seen |
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| 04:23.07 | usser_ | i have a question. why is iceweasel at version 3.0.6 in lenny? |
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| 04:26.19 | blackbeard2000 | PhorceP: you should make a bootdisk first |
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| 04:26.59 | PhorceP | going to see about loading that ext2 module first |
| 04:27.27 | blackbeard2000 | and use a filesystem, which is in /proc/filesystems |
| 04:29.46 | blackbeard2000 | usser_: ask the maintainer... its gecko/2009050519... so its newer than firefox 3.0.6 |
| 04:29.51 | Cisien | Kubuntu's UI makes my head hurt... |
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| 04:31.34 | PhorceP | modprobe -l returns nothing |
| 04:33.31 | blackbeard2000 | omg... 1,80GB of 3,6GB... this will last another day... and my whole internet-connection is filled because of it... sure, that i cant use "tc" to traffic-shape that "on-the-fly" without diconnect the upload? |
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| 04:36.00 | blackbeard2000 | wished he had invested in a "really" router :( |
| 04:36.10 | vasi | is there a way to use ndiswrapper (or broadcom-wl) for a network install? |
| 04:36.37 | vasi | i've got the netinst CD booted, but it doesn't even have 'ifconfig' :-/ |
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| 04:37.53 | blackbeard2000 | vasino cable? |
| 04:38.13 | vasi | blackbeard2000: nope :-( |
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| 04:38.35 | vasi | i guess i could just download and burn the testing CD....but it seems silly if i'm just going to update to unstable |
| 04:39.37 | blackbeard2000 | i dont know if testing has wlan-support in install |
| 04:39.44 | PhorceP | hah, I know what to do |
| 04:39.44 | vasi | it does have iwconfig |
| 04:39.49 | vasi | but no ndis |
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| 04:40.01 | blackbeard2000 | k |
| 04:40.07 | PhorceP | thanks, guys |
| 04:40.14 | vasi | (understandable, since ndis is arguably non-free) |
| 04:40.26 | blackbeard2000 | don the netinst on another cd... copy |
| 04:40.27 | blackbeard2000 | err s/cd/pc |
| 04:40.54 | vasi | hmm, how do you mean? |
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| 04:41.06 | blackbeard2000 | wht... he could have seid, how he solved it |
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| 04:42.43 | jvogel | what's the easiest way to get dual displays |
| 04:42.45 | blackbeard2000 | vasi: do the installation on another pc or in a vm... copy the contents then to your pc without cable |
| 04:42.47 | jvogel | is there a package i need? |
| 04:42.53 | vasi | blackbeard2000: ah, that makes sense |
| 04:42.57 | jvogel | dual displays on laptop via vga |
| 04:43.02 | vasi | jvogel: do you have the command 'xrandr'? |
| 04:43.02 | jvogel | diff resolutions |
| 04:43.14 | jvogel | yes |
| 04:43.44 | vasi | great, why don't you plug in your external monitor, run xrandr, and paste the output with the pastebin |
| 04:44.02 | vasi | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 04:44.21 | jvogel | http://debian.pastebin.com/mc7a7b29 |
| 04:44.56 | vasi | ok, do you know what the natural resolution of the external monitor is? 1680x1050? |
| 04:45.05 | jvogel | yes |
| 04:45.40 | vasi | k, so first you need to tell X that you want to use a larger screen size |
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| 04:45.51 | vasi | where a "screen" is "the total area of all your monitors" |
| 04:46.07 | jvogel | will this require me to restart x? |
| 04:46.09 | vasi | yes :-/ |
| 04:46.12 | jvogel | shit |
| 04:46.16 | jvogel | my laptop crashes when i restart x |
| 04:46.20 | jvogel | lolol |
| 04:46.20 | vasi | :-O |
| 04:46.23 | jvogel | i just got it yesterday |
| 04:46.25 | jvogel | installed debian :\ |
| 04:46.29 | jvogel | and working out bugs |
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| 04:46.40 | vasi | i guess you'll have to restart the box, then |
| 04:46.44 | jvogel | lol |
| 04:46.47 | jvogel | damn |
| 04:46.53 | jvogel | is that a one time thing? |
| 04:46.55 | vasi | yup |
| 04:47.01 | jvogel | i want this external monitor to be something where i can use if i want |
| 04:47.04 | jvogel | but most of the time i dont.. |
| 04:47.05 | vasi | let's first figure out how you want to arrange the monitors |
| 04:47.10 | vasi | jvogel: yup, that's ok :-) |
| 04:47.13 | jvogel | will i use xorg.conf? |
| 04:47.16 | vasi | yup! |
| 04:47.19 | jvogel | ok |
| 04:47.21 | vasi | do you want them side-by-side? |
| 04:47.23 | jvogel | yea |
| 04:47.25 | vasi | or one on top of the other? |
| 04:47.28 | jvogel | side by side |
| 04:47.35 | vasi | k, so let's add up the dimensions |
| 04:47.51 | vasi | we have a width of 1440 + 1680 = 3120 |
| 04:48.02 | vasi | and a max height of 1050 |
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| 04:48.16 | vasi | so you need to put this line in your xorg.conf: "Virtual 3120 1050" |
| 04:48.16 | jvogel | yes |
| 04:48.21 | jvogel | where |
| 04:48.34 | blackbeard2000 | anyone experience with "tc"? see "man tc"? or want to get experience? then try to make an down-/or upload with iceweasel... then shape your traffic of that download to the half of your internet-connection... then tell me, if the download is interrupted. *looking_nicely* |
| 04:48.38 | jvogel | and that wont screw anything up whenever i dont have the monitor in there? |
| 04:48.43 | vasi | jvogel: in the screen subsection that is used by default |
| 04:48.58 | vasi | wanna paste your xorg.conf so i can make sure we're putting it in the right place? |
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| 04:49.11 | vasi | jvogel: yah, it'll be fine with or without the monitor |
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| 04:49.27 | vasi | Phased: get a life, eh? |
| 04:49.28 | jvogel | Section "Screen" Identifier"Default Screen" Monitor"Configured Monitor" |
| 04:49.28 | jvogel | EndSection |
| 04:49.29 | Phased | . |
| 04:49.51 | vasi | jvogel, just paste the whole thing with the pastebin? |
| 04:49.54 | jvogel | ok |
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| 04:50.37 | jvogel | http://debian.pastebin.com/m78ba526a |
| 04:51.27 | vasi | hmm, you have no SubSection "Display"? |
| 04:51.32 | vasi | it should typically go in there... |
| 04:51.35 | jvogel | yes |
| 04:51.37 | jvogel | it just works |
| 04:51.39 | jvogel | without it |
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| 04:51.44 | jvogel | after adding the intel config |
| 04:52.00 | vasi | i do love the new xorg :-) |
| 04:52.21 | vasi | in Arch, my xorg.conf is a total of 6 lines :-) |
| 04:52.21 | jvogel | yea at one point |
| 04:52.26 | jvogel | lol |
| 04:52.39 | jvogel | people have told me xorg.conf is something you dont touch in linux nowadays |
| 04:52.39 | vasi | and those are only needed for the Virtual size....otherwise, it works with no xorg.conf at all! |
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| 04:53.00 | vasi | anyhow, add inside your Screen section |
| 04:53.03 | jvogel | i had to add support for 3rd button / touchstcik scrolling |
| 04:53.07 | vasi | SubSection "Display" |
| 04:53.14 | vasi | Virtual 3120 1050 |
| 04:53.17 | vasi | EndSubSection |
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| 04:53.59 | vasi | then save, and i guess restart....when you get back, paste the output of xrandr |
| 04:54.09 | jvogel | ok |
| 04:55.29 | blackbeard2000 | hmmm... tc is really usefull... i should use it nevertheless if yomeone helps me now and i use it or not... |
| 04:55.50 | jvogel | hi im back |
| 04:55.58 | vasi | that was quick!! |
| 04:56.06 | jvogel | i didnt have to restart afterall, my virtual terminal gets messed up but i just typed startx and it worked |
| 04:56.11 | vasi | w00t |
| 04:56.20 | jvogel | now my laptop screen is cut off at the bottom |
| 04:56.31 | vasi | o_O |
| 04:56.36 | jvogel | and im typing on the rotated 22" external :p |
| 04:56.43 | jvogel | leans head |
| 04:56.59 | jvogel | just moved window now i can see |
| 04:57.01 | vasi | lol |
| 04:57.09 | blackbeard2000 | thats a geeky setup ^^ |
| 04:57.13 | jvogel | what? |
| 04:57.30 | vasi | whoa, you want to use the monitor rotated!? that means we may have entered the wrong Virtual size |
| 04:57.33 | jvogel | My desktop is 24" primary, 22" rotated |
| 04:57.39 | jvogel | vasi: yeah i just realized that HAHA |
| 04:57.41 | jvogel | :X my bad |
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| 04:58.10 | vasi | alright, let's try it non-rotated first, just to make sure things are working |
| 04:58.13 | jvogel | ok |
| 04:58.14 | vasi | output of xrandr, please? |
| 04:59.19 | jvogel | http://debian.pastebin.com/m59850a51 |
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| 05:00.01 | vasi | ok, great |
| 05:00.22 | vasi | so now try: xrandr --output VGA --auto --right-of LVDS |
| 05:00.32 | vasi | (or --left-of, if that's your preference) |
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| 05:01.19 | jvogel | ah its working |
| 05:01.23 | vasi | :-) |
| 05:01.25 | jvogel | but my laptop screen is still cut off |
| 05:01.32 | vasi | cut off in what way? |
| 05:01.47 | jvogel | oops no its not |
| 05:01.50 | jvogel | yay! |
| 05:01.52 | jvogel | thats awesome |
| 05:02.02 | vasi | you're welcome ;-) |
| 05:02.07 | jvogel | now... i need to figure out how xmonad handles 2 displays |
| 05:02.34 | jvogel | but to get it to be rotated i need to do |
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| 05:02.46 | jvogel | 1440 + 1050 |
| 05:02.54 | jvogel | and 1680 tall |
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| 05:03.08 | vasi | http://www.xmonad.org/images/tour/workspaces.png |
| 05:03.08 | vasi | each display is a window into one of your xmonad workspaces |
| 05:03.18 | jvogel | you use xmonad? |
| 05:03.28 | vasi | though i always got confused remembering which screen was "active" |
| 05:03.35 | vasi | i tried it out last week |
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| 05:03.51 | jvogel | awesome! (no pun intended) do you like it? |
| 05:03.51 | vasi | not really my thing, but better than awesome wm, imho |
| 05:04.04 | vasi | i found the guided tour invaluable |
| 05:04.12 | jvogel | i think its the best thing ever |
| 05:04.14 | vasi | and the launcher (mod-p) was also very nice |
| 05:04.35 | vasi | but i ended up just using compiz with maximumize |
| 05:04.55 | jvogel | mod-p? |
| 05:05.00 | jvogel | launcher as in dmenu? |
| 05:05.03 | vasi | yah |
| 05:05.04 | jvogel | oh ok |
| 05:05.10 | jvogel | mine is mod-r, i forget default |
| 05:05.16 | vasi | anyhow, there are options in xrandr for rotation |
| 05:05.31 | vasi | xrandr = X Resize AND Rotation |
| 05:05.39 | vasi | but i've not used them |
| 05:05.42 | jvogel | do i need to change xorg.conf? |
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| 05:05.53 | jvogel | to get the res set? |
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| 05:06.02 | vasi | the only thing you need to change xorg.conf for is if you need one of the total dimensions to be bigger |
| 05:06.04 | jvogel | 1050x1680 + laptop |
| 05:06.14 | vasi | so if you want 1440 vertical, then yes you'll need to change it |
| 05:06.17 | jvogel | well its gonna be 1680 tall then |
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| 05:06.23 | vasi | er, or 1680, sorry |
| 05:06.24 | jvogel | ok |
| 05:07.02 | vasi | i have one of those desks with a shelf-like thing....so i keep my monitors arranged vertically |
| 05:07.06 | blackbeard2000 | xmonmap just aranges the windows, right? |
| 05:07.15 | vasi | 1850 vertical space = yay! |
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| 05:07.50 | jvogel | blackbeard2000: yeah |
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| 05:07.54 | vasi | jvogel: if you like GUIs, gnome-display-properties is pretty good for rearranging your monitors |
| 05:08.09 | jvogel | as in i can set res for each one individually? |
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| 05:08.12 | jvogel | and rotate each one? |
| 05:08.14 | blackbeard2000 | seems usefull. but IIRC gnome does this too in a way |
| 05:08.27 | blackbeard2000 | per hotkey-something |
| 05:08.28 | vasi | jvogel: gnome-display-properties is just an interface for xrandr |
| 05:08.32 | jvogel | oh ok |
| 05:08.35 | jvogel | well |
| 05:08.37 | vasi | so yes, either way you can set the res individually |
| 05:08.39 | jvogel | since im such a noob |
| 05:08.41 | vasi | and rotate independently |
| 05:09.15 | jvogel | what is exact package |
| 05:09.19 | jvogel | too many are listed |
| 05:09.30 | vasi | i think gnome-control-center or something? |
| 05:09.36 | vasi | just search on packages.debian.org |
| 05:09.53 | jvogel | i already have gnome control center |
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| 05:10.01 | vasi | so just try running gnome-display-properties |
| 05:10.08 | jvogel | blackbeard2000: basically xmonad is a way of effectively using all your screen space, and increasing productivity dramatically |
| 05:10.32 | vasi | jvogel: or alternatively, it's a way of making my brain hurt ;-) |
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| 05:11.27 | jvogel | yes it is hard lol |
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| 05:14.27 | blackbeard2000 | try it some day |
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| 05:15.37 | jvogel | vasi: jonathan@phoenix ~ $ xrandr --output VGA --auto --right-of LVDS -o left |
| 05:15.38 | jvogel | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 2490x1680 (desired size 3120x1050) |
| 05:15.50 | jvogel | if im rotatingit... res should be 2490x1680 :\ |
| 05:15.54 | blackbeard2000 | is it possible to have a big window on the main monitor... the other windows tiled on the other monitors... alt-tab and a tiled window goes to the main-screen fully or somethinng like that |
| 05:16.01 | vasi | jvogel: hmm, weird |
| 05:16.19 | jvogel | blackbeard2000: you can do about anything with xmonad if you take the time to figure it out |
| 05:16.23 | vasi | blackbeard2000: both awesome and xmonad have powerful configuration languages |
| 05:16.24 | jvogel | but yea you can have tiling windows, but its not ideal |
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| 05:16.34 | vasi | you can write a script to do pretty much anything |
| 05:16.43 | jvogel | vasi: should i try to set res back to 3120x1050? |
| 05:16.45 | blackbeard2000 | k |
| 05:16.45 | sylarrr | anyone know to tweak mdadm raid5 performance? |
| 05:17.06 | vasi | jvogel: i think you're mixing the 1.2 and 1.1 options |
| 05:17.13 | vasi | try with --rotate left |
| 05:17.15 | vasi | instead of -o left |
| 05:17.20 | blackbeard2000 | raid5 -> raid0 ;) |
| 05:17.52 | sylarrr | lol |
| 05:18.18 | sylarrr | my windows fakeraid perform much better then this mdadm |
| 05:18.51 | jvogel | oh ok |
| 05:18.59 | sylarrr | people here have told me, buy a controller, and I said, no software raid has plenty of speed.... |
| 05:19.38 | blackbeard2000 | i've read an interesting benchmark on short stocking with raid0 on toms hardware guide... awesome |
| 05:19.47 | jvogel | w00t that worked |
| 05:20.04 | jvogel | shit xmonad is gonna kill me trying to figure this out haha |
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| 05:20.10 | jvogel | xfce panel only shows on one display |
| 05:20.14 | sylarrr | well I need raid5 blackbeard2000 |
| 05:20.16 | vasi | blackbeard2000: do you think i could use the wl.ko from an ubuntu install? |
| 05:20.27 | vasi | jvogel: yes, that's intentional |
| 05:20.32 | blackbeard2000 | but if you want performance.. this is the optimum |
| 05:20.36 | jvogel | ah ok |
| 05:20.43 | jvogel | i need to figure out what keys are what |
| 05:20.44 | vasi | bug -> feature |
| 05:21.02 | blackbeard2000 | vasi no clue |
| 05:21.40 | breedx | how can I keep /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules from stepping on or otherwise changing the permissions I set up in my custom /etc/udev/rules.d/99-whatever ? |
| 05:21.50 | blackbeard2000 | vasi: at least you should use the same kernel |
| 05:22.05 | vasi | blackbeard2000: mmm, that's an idea actually |
| 05:22.19 | vasi | just use the ubuntu kernel to load the debian installer.... |
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| 05:23.11 | blackbeard2000 | lol. try it |
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| 05:24.25 | blackbeard2000 | changing the kernel+initrd on the netinstall-cd should be doable... the modules will get more tifficult |
| 05:24.28 | blackbeard2000 | difficult |
| 05:24.56 | blackbeard2000 | ore they stored in a cframfs or something similar? |
| 05:25.12 | vasi | they're in the initrd, no? |
| 05:25.30 | blackbeard2000 | hmmmmm |
| 05:25.54 | blackbeard2000 | right... if they work in the ubuntu netinstall... they have to be in the initrd |
| 05:26.23 | blackbeard2000 | but in believe youstill need the other modules... the "right" modles, too |
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| 05:27.20 | blackbeard2000 | and if the scripts in the initrd are idential between ubuntu and debian... i dont know... but would be funny |
| 05:27.32 | vasi | hmm....well, lemme first check if the wl module from ubuntu loads in the debian kernel, that would be the simplest thing |
| 05:27.48 | blackbeard2000 | yes |
| 05:27.52 | man_in_shack | it almost certainly won't |
| 05:27.52 | jvogel | vasi: thanks for your help |
| 05:27.58 | vasi | jvogel: you're welcome |
| 05:28.28 | man_in_shack | not only do ubuntu and debian have different kernel binaries, from what i gather ubuntu's kernel is much more hacked up than debian's |
| 05:28.49 | man_in_shack | most likely what will happen is the kernel will refuse to load the module due to mismatched version |
| 05:29.07 | blackbeard2000 | man_in_shack: just for the installation |
| 05:29.08 | man_in_shack | otherwise, you risk panicking the kernel |
| 05:29.25 | man_in_shack | blackbeard2000, doesn't make a difference. they're still different kernels |
| 05:29.45 | blackbeard2000 | but yes. i dont believe, the module works fine, too |
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| 05:30.59 | man_in_shack | just saying, if you're taking a kernel module from one distro and sticking it another, don't be surprised if it fails catastrophically |
| 05:31.36 | blackbeard2000 | extracting the debian-initrd and ubuntu-initrd... copy ubuntu-modules to debian-initrd... make debian-initrd again... copy ubuntu-kernel+new-initrd to cd... burn cd.. have phun |
| 05:31.39 | vasi | yah, not expecting it to work for sure |
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| 05:32.01 | jvogel | i should have tried that fo rmy dell mini 9 |
| 05:32.06 | jvogel | ubuntu kernel had support for everything |
| 05:32.08 | man_in_shack | blackbeard2000, what part of "different kernel binaries" do you not get? |
| 05:32.23 | jvogel | but i refused to run ubuntu lol |
| 05:32.25 | man_in_shack | you can't yank one module from one kernel and expect it to work in another |
| 05:32.27 | blackbeard2000 | hä? |
| 05:32.30 | man_in_shack | you'd have to yank the WHOLE kernel |
| 05:32.39 | blackbeard2000 | different kernel-binary+different-modules |
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| 05:33.25 | man_in_shack | blackbeard2000, kernel is not in initrd |
| 05:33.56 | blackbeard2000 | man_in_shack: you can a module or a kernel to work with different modules of different kernel... but the kernel has to be made that way |
| 05:34.12 | blackbeard2000 | man get it: |
| 05:34.12 | blackbeard2000 | copy kernel |
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| 05:34.32 | blackbeard2000 | copy modules of different init-rd |
| 05:34.38 | blackbeard2000 | modules and kernel match |
| 05:34.46 | man_in_shack | so far i haven't seen you say "copy kernel" before |
| 05:35.05 | man_in_shack | and if you're copying the whole kernel, why not just copy the whole initrd? :P |
| 05:35.16 | blackbeard2000 | [07:30] blackbeard2000: extracting the debian-initrd and ubuntu-initrd... copy ubuntu-modules to debian-initrd... make debian-initrd again... copy ubuntu-kernel+new-initrd to cd... burn cd.. have phun |
| 05:35.32 | man_in_shack | kernel is not in initrd. it can't possibly be |
| 05:35.33 | blackbeard2000 | what did u not get in "copy ubuntu-kernel" |
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| 05:36.08 | blackbeard2000 | i dindnt say kernel is in initrd.. never |
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| 05:38.52 | blackbeard2000 | [07:33] man_in_shack: and if you're copying the whole kernel, why not just copy the whole initrd? :P |
| 05:39.03 | blackbeard2000 | because in the initrd are not just modules |
| 05:39.10 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 05:39.19 | man_in_shack | note you still have to update the bootloader |
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| 05:40.00 | crunge | I apologize if this is retarded... I have apache2-mpm-prefork, and libapache2-mod-php5. When I visit http://mysite/blah/index.php it works fine, but http://mysite/blah/ returns mime-type x-httpd-php5 data |
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| 05:42.52 | blackbeard2000 | i dont know if one has to update the bootloader of the netinstall-cd, too to work with this "hack"... maybe but i assume it is enough to rename the kernel-binary |
| 05:43.16 | man_in_shack | that's horribly hacky :P |
| 05:43.33 | blackbeard2000 | but then netinstall work with wlan-driver |
| 05:43.34 | man_in_shack | then again, everything in this discussion is horribly hacky :D |
| 05:43.41 | blackbeard2000 | maybe ;) |
| 05:43.49 | crunge | bah... it's working and it's been working for some time now... stupid browser cache |
| 05:44.06 | vasi | just tell grub to use a different kernel/initrd, that's fine |
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| 05:45.17 | man_in_shack | vasi, not necessarily, for the installer |
| 05:45.49 | vasi | man_in_shack: d-i works fine with the random grub that i already have |
| 05:46.02 | vasi | it auto-detects .iso's in the root dir of hds |
| 05:46.08 | vasi | see the d-i manual :-) |
| 05:46.15 | man_in_shack | ah ok |
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| 05:46.26 | man_in_shack | tell that to blackbeard2000 then :P |
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| 05:49.01 | blackbeard2000 | grub detects .iso on HDD and boots from it? |
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| 05:49.18 | man_in_shack | debian's installer does |
| 05:49.44 | miloux | Has anyone run into the issue with udev querying libnss_ldap before there is a network interface to use(debian)? How did you solve it? Should i mount /etc rw, switch nsswitch.conf to one without ldap query, and then mount ro again and then a copy of nsswitch.conf with ldap in it afterwards? |
| 05:49.48 | blackbeard2000 | but not grub?... i mean like chainloading grubs |
| 05:49.51 | miloux | http://bugs.debian.org/375077 |
| 05:50.10 | man_in_shack | chainloading grubs would mean your kernel hacks would fail :P |
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| 05:50.25 | blackbeard2000 | i wouldlike that.. but i havent heard of it |
| 05:50.53 | man_in_shack | miloux, wait, what? |
| 05:50.58 | blackbeard2000 | not "my kernel hacks ;) the guy who whants to do a netinstall, but has no cable |
| 05:51.04 | man_in_shack | miloux, /etc is a separate partition for you? |
| 05:51.23 | miloux | man_in_shack: not really, its on / |
| 05:51.29 | man_in_shack | good |
| 05:51.37 | man_in_shack | cos mounted /etc breaks everything |
| 05:51.49 | miloux | just bad wording on my part |
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| 05:51.58 | man_in_shack | nods |
| 05:52.28 | man_in_shack | last year, i had students in "unix systems administration" who got in to their heads that "anything important" needs to be a separate partition (within the context of the course) |
| 05:52.43 | man_in_shack | they decided /etc was important, so they made it its own partition |
| 05:52.48 | miloux | :P |
| 05:52.55 | vasi | lol |
| 05:53.00 | man_in_shack | some also made /bin its own partition |
| 05:53.22 | man_in_shack | lots of fun when the system can't find the fstab to mount the partition where fstab is ;) |
| 05:53.29 | miloux | :D |
| 05:54.13 | phorce1 | had his / drive go sideways yesterday. Still don't know what happened. It just suddenly remounted RO (which it's supposed to if errors happen) and I had to reboot and do a manual fsck to get it back up. |
| 05:54.24 | blackbeard2000 | there shoudl be more things needed in etc before fstab |
| 05:54.36 | man_in_shack | oh yeah |
| 05:54.39 | man_in_shack | inittab is a good one |
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| 05:55.00 | man_in_shack | also, separate partition for /dev killed a few systems |
| 05:55.27 | man_in_shack | best thing, when i started noticing this stuff and gave them a list of things that HAD to be on /, they didn't (all) listen |
| 05:55.28 | vasi | wow |
| 05:55.31 | vasi | that's impressive |
| 05:55.54 | alpha_one_x86 | hello, some user want include ultracopier as main packages, somebody can create the packages and try submit it to main line? |
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| 05:56.11 | miloux | I had a friend who put aptitude update; aptitude -y dist-upgrade in cron... that worked out well... |
| 05:56.25 | phorce1 | With the price per meg now I tend to use separate drives rather than separate partitions on a single drive |
| 05:56.35 | man_in_shack | alpha_one_x86, if some user wants it, then some user should read the package policy and build their own packages :P |
| 05:57.26 | man_in_shack | phorce1, yeah, that's ideal, but not what we have to work with in the subject :) |
| 05:58.17 | alpha_one_x86 | man_in_shack: yes but no body know do that's, have you link? |
| 05:58.25 | phorce1 | of course, this machine has "everything in /" on one drive and the other drives are mostly for data. After yesterday I think I need to at least move /home out |
| 05:58.47 | man_in_shack | alpha_one_x86, i just googled for "debian package policy" and it was the first hit |
| 05:59.13 | man_in_shack | alpha_one_x86, a few clicks away, and this is a good start: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-main |
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| 05:59.55 | alpha_one_x86 | yes, it's not easy, have you simplified how to? |
| 06:00.13 | blackbeard2000 | ok man_in_shack you seem to be knowingly. need help with tc... try to make an down-/or upload with firefox/iceweasel... then shape your traffic of that download to the half of your internet-connection... then tell me, if the download is interrupted. *looking_nicely* |
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| 06:00.56 | man_in_shack | blackbeard2000, i use wget whenever i have problems downloading stuff |
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| 06:01.21 | phorce1 | alpha_one_x86: it's not supposed to be easy. The debian team only wants people willing to continue maintaining packages to even start the process of getting them into the debian tree. |
| 06:01.59 | blackbeard2000 | then use wget to upload to a online-bakup-service, which uses javascript/java |
| 06:02.38 | gane | how to use the xen in debian .. can anyone help regarding this |
| 06:02.44 | alpha_one_x86 | phorce1: yes but if I can't create packages because it's too hard... I'm on gentoo, not on debian |
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| 06:03.24 | man_in_shack | alpha_one_x86, creating packages is not difficult. dh_make, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:03.46 | man_in_shack | alpha_one_x86, creating packages suitable for inclusion in debian's repository is the hard part |
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| 06:04.51 | phorce1 | alpha_one_x86: Ahh, just building the packages themselves ^^^ see man_in_shack's answer. If you want to get them included in the debia tree and not just build .deb packages that can be downloaded from you then you really do need to read the policy manual. |
| 06:05.51 | man_in_shack | i build my own kernel packages with make-kpkg. they're FAR from suitable for inclusion in debian, but that's the way i like it ;) |
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| 06:06.32 | alpha_one_x86 | I can't use dpkg-buildpackage, because I'm under gentoo, then just create the package is hard |
| 06:07.14 | man_in_shack | so compile and install dpkg-dev for gentoo |
| 06:07.42 | man_in_shack | seriously, you're not giving us much to work with here |
| 06:07.44 | alpha_one_x86 | where get source? |
| 06:07.59 | man_in_shack | packages.debian.org may help you |
| 06:08.38 | phorce1 | alpha_one_x86: http://www.getonthenet.eu/creating-deb-packages-on-gentoo/ |
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| 06:09.45 | man_in_shack | hehe, debhelper in gentoo |
| 06:10.38 | alpha_one_x86 | oki, thanks for all this link, I will go read all that's, thanks and have good day |
| 06:10.46 | phorce1 | man_in_shack: looks like someone has built gentoo packages for most of the debian package management tools for cross-platform devel. |
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| 06:11.26 | blackbeard2000 | 2 of 3,6GB... 1,6GB and i can surf again... :( |
| 06:11.56 | phorce1 | s/cross-platform/cross-distro/ |
| 06:13.38 | blackbeard2000 | should have used wuala |
| 06:13.48 | phorce1 | blackbeard2000: you want fun, hook your machine to 3 separate networks (2 using dhcp) and try to get routing to work the way you want it to. |
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| 06:14.40 | phorce1 | linux get really upset when multiple defauly GW entries magically appear in the routing table |
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| 06:14.46 | blackbeard2000 | phorce1: i dont get it |
| 06:14.51 | man_in_shack | hehe |
| 06:16.32 | blackbeard2000 | ok. got it... but this has more or less nothing to do with my problem... and surely nothing with a solution ;) |
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| 06:18.27 | ozon | hi. i want set the ulimit. i change the /etc/security/limits.conf and restart sshd. on machine1 works it. but the same way on machine2 dosnt work - why? |
| 06:18.31 | blackbeard2000 | ok, this will propable get a day where i can do a lot of computer-unrealted things... ;) |
| 06:18.40 | phorce1 | blackbeard2000: no, not really. Whatever you're using to downlod should give up bandwidth when some other app asks for it. There is no reason a download should stop you from browsing |
| 06:19.06 | ozon | both debian lenny |
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| 06:19.37 | simonrvn | wtf is "wuala"? |
| 06:19.37 | blackbeard2000 | phorce1: it is one computer... on the other computer (which uses the same internet-connection) browsing is sloooooooooow |
| 06:20.23 | blackbeard2000 | wuala.com |
| 06:21.12 | blackbeard2000 | there the up/download would be interruptabel |
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| 06:21.37 | ozon | i found it... sshd_config dosnt use pam - solved ;) |
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| 06:22.05 | phorce1 | blackbeard2000: well, yes. Unless you limit the downloading machine at the IP level, not at the application level. Force them to each only have half of the bandwidth available. I don't use traffic shaping so I'd be lost trying to help. |
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| 06:23.13 | blackbeard2000 | phorce1: thats why i asked about tc (see: man tc)... but i dont want to try it now without knowing that it will not interrupt the upload |
| 06:24.09 | blackbeard2000 | i would lowering the whole bandwith of the bachine, if it its possible |
| 06:24.18 | blackbeard2000 | err s/bachine/machine |
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| 06:27.14 | nn_ick | hi. my system is ubuntu9.04. i got a problem. how to install the devhelp books of tar.gz from debian woody? i don't know where to put the html pages in the tar.gz |
| 06:27.37 | gane | how to use the xen in debian .. can anyone help regarding this |
| 06:27.38 | simonrvn | nn_ick: and you're in the wrong channel. #ubuntu -> |
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| 06:28.53 | nn_ick | simonrvn, thanks. seems that on one there takes care of this in the ubuntu channel. so here i am. |
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| 06:29.14 | mahdi | hi every body |
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| 06:29.34 | blackbeard2000 | simonrvn: may i ask for installing ubuntu-packages on debian herre instead? ; |
| 06:29.47 | nn_ick | :) |
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| 06:30.20 | simonrvn | what? |
| 06:30.29 | simonrvn | nn_ick: ^^^ |
| 06:30.29 | mahdi | who can help me for this problem : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXrender in QTCREATOR |
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| 06:31.43 | mahdi | who can help me for this problem : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXrender in QTCREATOR |
| 06:32.06 | nn_ick | mahdi, maybe you need to install the library libxrender-dev |
| 06:32.18 | blackbeard2000 | mahdiyou will find one if you post it another 10 times |
| 06:33.00 | nn_ick | mahdi, or the libxrender1 |
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| 06:35.36 | mahdi | nn_ick:installed !! |
| 06:36.08 | nn_ick | mahdi, you mean the libxrender-dev ? |
| 06:36.42 | simonrvn | !!! |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:36.45 | mahdi | nn_ick:oh . i'm installed now . /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext |
| 06:37.14 | simonrvn | so keep installing the needed -dev packages until it stops doing that... |
| 06:37.30 | nn_ick | mahdi, i know nothing about QTCREATOR. but if your compilier is gcc, you may add -L<path to the lib> |
| 06:37.35 | infinity1 | is there a program that will look for and auto-ionice processes? |
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| 06:38.00 | blackbeard2000 | autonice |
| 06:38.13 | infinity1 | blackbeard2000: really? |
| 06:38.29 | blackbeard2000 | something similar. have seen it in the reps |
| 06:38.51 | infinity1 | blackbeard2000: no. Autonice is known to run on linux Redhat 4.1 and 5.x systems |
| 06:38.58 | nn_ick | mahdi, ok, |
| 06:39.01 | simonrvn | i don't think it handles the stuff s/he wants though... but check it. |
| 06:39.33 | blackbeard2000 | and |
| 06:39.46 | mahdi | nn_ick: i'm serarchin too synaptic for installing that |
| 06:40.01 | mahdi | nn_ick:not found |
| 06:40.06 | blackbeard2000 | oh moment. autionice...you dont mean autonice |
| 06:40.41 | nn_ick | mahdi, the name is libxext6 |
| 06:40.43 | bpun | 3~ |
| 06:40.44 | blackbeard2000 | btw.. what should it do? |
| 06:40.49 | nn_ick | mahdi, have a try |
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| 06:41.09 | simonrvn | have at 'em xingu :P |
| 06:41.13 | simonrvn | j/k :) |
| 06:41.13 | nn_ick | mahdi, and libxext-dev for devlopment |
| 06:41.20 | simonrvn | g'morning |
| 06:41.30 | blackbeard2000 | what i meant is and - Auto Nice Deamon |
| 06:41.34 | xingu | laughs |
| 06:41.40 | xingu | 'morning simonrvn |
| 06:41.50 | mahdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.57 | nn_ick | mahdi, np |
| 06:41.59 | mahdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.03 | simonrvn | !+tell mahdi -about search |
| 06:43.03 | dpkg | told mahdi about search. |
| 06:43.14 | infinity1 | blackbeard2000: auto nice daemon doesn't IOnice though |
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| 06:43.50 | blackbeard2000 | infinity1: what do you try to do? |
| 06:43.58 | nn_ick | simonrvn, tell me something about the devhelp. lol |
| 06:45.41 | bpun | nn_ick, what's an elle oo elle bitch? |
| 06:45.43 | Agiofws | hi |
| 06:45.46 | bpun | nn_ick, hahaha |
| 06:45.58 | Agiofws | can someone tell me how do get exec option on amounted partition ? |
| 06:46.01 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 on /mnt/videos type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) ? |
| 06:46.17 | Agiofws | download_and_compile.sh: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied ? |
| 06:46.32 | simonrvn | Agiofws: noexec ... |
| 06:46.35 | nn_ick | bpun, sorry ? i don't know the word 'elle'. |
| 06:46.36 | blackbeard2000 | remount? |
| 06:46.57 | Agiofws | what do i change in fstab |
| 06:47.13 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 /mnt/videos ext3 suid,dev,exec,nouser,async,users,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:47.20 | blackbeard2000 | noexec away |
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| 06:47.44 | Agiofws | i already have an exec option in fstab it seems that it cant be applied ... |
| 06:48.13 | bpun | Agiofws, u may need to do have some digit# correction with one of the last 2 |
| 06:48.24 | bpun | blurp |
| 06:48.30 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 /mnt/videos ext3 suid,dev,noexec,nouser,async,users,rw,noauto 0 0 ? |
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| 06:48.36 | nn_ick | bpun, hey. what's an 'elle oo elle bitch' ? |
| 06:49.04 | blackbeard2000 | suid,dev,nouser,async,users,rw,noauto 0 2 |
| 06:49.11 | bpun | nn_ick, it's easier to see what dependencies are needed and then make a control file for it for dpkg-deb |
| 06:49.44 | blackbeard2000 | argh no |
| 06:49.59 | nn_ick | bpun, i c thanks. btw what 'is 'elle' ? |
| 06:50.01 | jaenzmon | g'day chaps |
| 06:50.05 | blackbeard2000 | async,users,rw,noauto 0 2 |
| 06:50.06 | blackbeard2000 | to be sure |
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| 06:50.17 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 on /mnt/videos type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 06:50.18 | Agiofws | GRRR |
| 06:51.00 | Agiofws | download_and_compile.sh: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
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| 06:51.20 | nn_ick | Agiofws, you need to remount it. |
| 06:51.26 | Agiofws | i did |
| 06:51.31 | Agiofws | umount and mount again |
| 06:51.35 | blackbeard2000 | still noexec? |
| 06:51.40 | nn_ick | Agiofws, show the mount options |
| 06:51.40 | Agiofws | yes |
| 06:51.50 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 /mnt/videos ext3 suid,dev,nouser,async,users,rw,noauto 0 2 |
| 06:51.50 | Agiofws | #/dev/sda9 /mnt/videos ext3 suid,dev,exec,nouser,async,users,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:51.54 | blackbeard2000 | then delete noexec |
| 06:52.10 | Agiofws | can you see no exec there i can't |
| 06:52.15 | blackbeard2000 | just users |
| 06:52.23 | nn_ick | Agiofws, no. :))) |
| 06:53.01 | nn_ick | Agiofws, in fact you can delete all the options about permissions |
| 06:53.14 | blackbeard2000 | as root? yes |
| 06:53.36 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 /mnt/videos ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 06:54.09 | simonrvn | Agiofws: fstab: /dev/hdb6 /media/ubuntu ext3 auto,dev,suid,exec,user_xattr,acl 0 2 mount cmd.: /dev/hdb6 on /media/ubuntu type ext3 (rw,user_xattr,acl) |
| 06:54.23 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:54.40 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
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| 06:55.38 | Agiofws | /dev/sda9 on /mnt/videos type ext3 (rw) |
| 06:55.54 | simonrvn | well there ya go |
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| 06:59.20 | jaenzmon | so i did a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze and now my x-server won't start, arguing there's no device on theagp bus; lspci begs to differ. besides that, it has been working there before, and the video card is still fully operational |
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| 07:00.33 | jaenzmon | i rebuild fglrx drivers, tried radeon (which always worked as temporary fallback - no it just freezes the system) but don't really know what else to make out of this |
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| 07:01.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | tried vesa? |
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| 07:01.10 | jaenzmon | http://pastebin.com/d1e64457e xorg.log and xorg.conf; anyone who feels able to help..it would be appreciated 8) |
| 07:01.29 | jaenzmon | oh, yeah, forgot to mention that - same effect as radeon |
| 07:01.42 | jaenzmon | fglrx is the only driver not to freeze the system and produce logs |
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| 07:03.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | jaenzmon, have you tried without an xorg.conf at all? |
| 07:04.43 | vasi | ooh, sidux has ndiswrapper....maybe i can steal that |
| 07:05.37 | jaenzmon | no. though i dpkg--reconfigured it, after that it had like 3 lines with nothing important going on - i'll try anyways, sec |
| 07:06.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg-reconfigure in lenny is about as useless as tits on a bull |
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| 07:11.13 | ukl | hello. I'm having trouble using squeeze and kde 4.2 -- since the last update, it takes quite a while after pressing "shutdown" in kde's menu until the system eventually starts shutting down. "sudo shutdown -h now" from a terminal goes much faster (as it used to do before the update). I'm not quite sure where to start looking for an error... |
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| 07:15.05 | konnertz | hi. could you post me a link to the etch netinstall amd64 iso? Cant find it in all those directories... |
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| 07:16.25 | bpun | konnertz, lenny amd64 is out |
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| 07:17.42 | simonrvn | konnertz: /topic |
| 07:18.03 | konnertz | bpun, yes but i need etch to setup a test environment for an prod server here which is etch |
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| 07:18.37 | bpun | konnertz, what company is this |
| 07:19.07 | simonrvn | one that hasn't upgraded to current stable yet ;). |
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| 07:19.46 | konnertz | bpun, you shouldnt ask things i dont want to know!! :-P |
| 07:20.13 | bpun | konnertz, obviously you should spend the first phase they require you to do: "Research!" |
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| 07:21.02 | konnertz | dont get this i think bpun !? |
| 07:21.52 | bpun | konnertz, dunno about german language support on the debian site.. |
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| 07:22.18 | bpun | konnertz, http://debian.org/international/ |
| 07:22.32 | konnertz | my research focusses on surviving chaotic IT environments... |
| 07:23.12 | jaenzmon | Kamping_Kaiser: well, i tried, froze again |
| 07:23.34 | bpun | konnertz, I guess you're new to debian. I don't know how you're windows headed you really are :) |
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| 07:24.18 | konnertz | no |
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| 07:24.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | jaenzmon, :/ |
| 07:24.49 | konnertz | so you cant find a download link either ? |
| 07:24.53 | konnertz | or didnt try at all |
| 07:24.55 | konnertz | ? |
| 07:25.07 | bpun | konnertz, I said you speak German. I do not speak German. |
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| 07:25.48 | bpun | konnertz, maybe you want to have someone help you.. but I can't 'cuse I dont speak your language.. |
| 07:26.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've only seen english in here so far |
| 07:26.51 | simonrvn | i think you're confusing konnertz ... you're sure confusing me, bpun |
| 07:26.57 | bpun | anyone else in the german or europe region? maybe they can't see the 'get debian' pages properly -- by region use.. |
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| 07:27.28 | jaenzmon | also it might be usefull to know how to boot without gdm; pretty annoying to recover the not-freezing xorg.conf woth a live cd ;< |
| 07:27.28 | bpun | thinking a website bug if people cant see the 'get debian' pages by a region.. |
| 07:27.36 | bpun | but still i have no idea how the debian site works.. |
| 07:27.45 | bpun | unless konnertz is a newbie!! |
| 07:27.48 | simonrvn | jaenzmon: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 07:28.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | !confuse bpun |
| 07:28.15 | bpun | Kamping_Kaiser, . |
| 07:28.23 | bpun | Kamping_Kaiser, konnertz mother tongue isn't english |
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| 07:29.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | bpun, yes, i'm aware of that. |
| 07:29.13 | bpun | Kamping_Kaiser, . |
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| 07:30.41 | dpkg | Yes, who are my bacon yesterday, bpun? Shirts of the Dictatorship of Swaziland with extra ham. |
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| 07:30.49 | bpun | jaenzmon, try seeing what other exotic hardware drivers are being loaded.. sometimes folks online post their solutions- such as a no+something on the kernel bootline |
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| 07:31.42 | bpun | so why not ask konnertz how much of a salary he's worth.. |
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| 07:32.23 | bpun | i dont see the meaning of goofballing here.. |
| 07:32.52 | bpun | maybe you all should be me for helping someone trying to understand a thing or two.. |
| 07:33.08 | bpun | smart and diligent |
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| 07:33.55 | jaenzmon | allmighty dpkg provided the answer for my smaller problem 8) |
| 07:33.56 | zrin | I just upgraded etch to lenny, but upgrading openssh-* failed with several "operation not permitted" - the ext2/3 attributes u, i, and a are set in /usr/sbin/sshd, /usr/bin/ssh etc. Is this "normal" behaviour? |
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| 07:37.41 | jaenzmon | anyone got another idea what might cause the trouble with my x-server? |
| 07:38.14 | bpun | jaenzmon, you can try forcing it to use certain monitor linemodes.. |
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| 07:38.43 | bpun | jaenzmon, does it only freeze when u switch between tty1 and X ? |
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| 07:40.00 | bpun | jaenzmon, I reckon you've been on this all day.. |
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| 07:40.12 | bpun | lol |
| 07:40.40 | jaenzmon | no; upon starting gdm..colors, lines, looks wrong, no reactions whatsoever; i think modelines won't help the fact that it's telling me theres no suitable device connected on the agp bus |
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| 07:40.55 | bpun | jaenzmon, ah.. now i see |
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| 07:43.13 | jaenzmon | thats what i said 8) |
| 07:43.33 | simonrvn | zrin: wut? need an fsck perhaps |
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| 07:44.17 | bpun | jaenzmon, so what version of the driver is it? |
| 07:45.07 | jaenzmon | (i provided the Xorg.log above) |
| 07:45.11 | zrin | simonrvn: I've run fsck, restarted the system (with fsck on boot), but that didn't solve the problem; I've found that the problem is not unknown (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server-bugs/2008-October/006561.html) - but I wonder what causes it |
| 07:45.15 | bpun | jaenzmon, can you also take a smoke? you're saying gdm is starting, and "theres no suitable device connected on the agp bus" << confusing |
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| 07:45.54 | _ke | anyone using mutt? how do i change the subfolder to INBOX.foo in my maildir folder from inside mutt? |
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| 07:46.35 | bpun | jaenzmon, "BusID "PCI:1:0:0"" < may be wrong? try using lspci |
| 07:46.42 | jaenzmon | well, fglrx generates that usefull output, vesa, radeon, no xorg.conf just freeze the system when starting gdm |
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| 07:47.12 | jaenzmon | i'm not entirely stupid, you know 8) |
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| 07:47.54 | jaenzmon | lspci still tells my card is where it has been for years |
| 07:48.13 | bpun | jaenzmon, Xorg -scanpci |
| 07:48.27 | ottoshmidt | why is that if I try to install dictionaries-common openoffice.org files are going to be removed? |
| 07:48.42 | jaenzmon | but, it seems you didn't read my introduction - ; the trouble came up after dist-upgrading from lenny to suqeeze |
| 07:49.03 | bpun | jaenzmon, there is no squeeze |
| 07:49.06 | bpun | jaenzmon, just sid |
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| 07:49.45 | bpun | jaenzmon, so reportbug if you're really acquainted with sid for i dont know how many years... |
| 07:49.58 | bpun | jaenzmon, dunno why ur asking things are broked.. |
| 07:50.28 | bpun | jaenzmon, nobody's saying u dumb.. |
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| 07:51.37 | sylarrr | anyone know how to flashblock in epiphany on lenny? |
| 07:52.27 | jaenzmon | whatever. |
| 07:52.51 | bpun | jaenzmon, no really.. reportbug.. if u know it should be working.. |
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| 07:53.47 | jaenzmon | i don't know if it should be - i just know its the right bus, it worked with the exact same xorg.conf before the dist-upgrade, and between that something must have changed 8) |
| 07:54.10 | bpun | jaenzmon, are you a ubuntu guy? |
| 07:54.23 | arj | is there a way to check the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces that doesnt involve ifdown;ifup ? :) |
| 07:54.37 | bpun | arj, y.. there's a manpage (man interfaces) |
| 07:54.45 | jaenzmon | bpun, are you trying to help or just to annoy me? :X |
| 07:55.04 | bpun | jaenzmon, squeeze does not exist.. you said you upgraded to it.. |
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| 07:57.32 | jaenzmon | tty: "Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid" |
| 07:58.14 | jaenzmon | anyway, i don't see how arguing about that helps 8) |
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| 07:58.40 | jaenzmon | if there was no squeeze at all, my x-server still wouldn't be running |
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| 08:02.33 | negge | I have snmpd running on one of my servers so that another server (running Cacti) can get statistics from it using SNMP. I've noticed that whenever Cacti queries the server running the SNMP daemon, snmpd puts a line like "Webserver snmpd[6121]: Connection from UDP: [10.110.1.202]:55238" into the syslog (on the server running the daemon). Can I change a config file somewhere to tell snmpd to log only errors, not just notices? It kinda clut |
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| 08:05.05 | arj | bpgoldsb: I noticed the manpage, but that does not mention a command to check the syntax it seems :) |
| 08:05.34 | _ke | anyone using mutt? how do i change the subfolder to INBOX.foo in my maildir folder from inside mutt? |
| 08:05.40 | arj | _ke: c |
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| 08:06.00 | jaenzmon | so, bpun, did i reach the state where you consider contributing something usefull yet? |
| 08:06.10 | _ke | arj, yep, but then? i cant change into the maildir |
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| 08:06.17 | arj | tried tab? |
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| 08:07.03 | arj | oh |
| 08:07.08 | arj | it hides .dirs it seems |
| 08:07.32 | _ke | arj, seems so |
| 08:07.55 | arj | but if you know the name |
| 08:08.01 | arj | you can just type the name with the dot |
| 08:08.46 | _ke | arj, you mean c INBOX.foo ? |
| 08:09.14 | arj | not really |
| 08:09.18 | arj | do an ls -a |
| 08:09.24 | arj | and then c |
| 08:09.30 | arj | then it'll ask for a name |
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| 08:09.38 | arj | then paste/type the full name of the directory |
| 08:09.56 | arj | .bsd-lists in my case, for INBOX.bsd-lists |
| 08:10.21 | _ke | arj, awesome! thanks a lot |
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| 08:11.05 | arj | if you frequently want to do this, you might want to make a symlink without a leading . |
| 08:11.29 | arj | or find out how to tell mutt to unhide them |
| 08:11.37 | _ke | arj, no its just a one time thing |
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| 08:15.32 | asdzxc | hi |
| 08:15.54 | asdzxc | my Python program just crashed with message "Bus error" |
| 08:16.00 | asdzxc | from dmesg: python[15335] trap stack segment ip:456020 sp:6b9a7170 error:0 |
| 08:16.05 | asdzxc | what does it means ? |
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| 08:32.57 | petemc | yes |
| 08:33.01 | Lish | petemc: ok:) |
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| 08:33.27 | DEBUNTU73 | What happened to the package "gq" ?? I need it on Lenny.. how to get it back ? |
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| 08:34.13 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.27 | matt7676 | What if I would like to purge all packages which have a "rc" status? I mean "dpkg -l | grep '^rc\b' | dpkg -P" doesn't probably work, because "dpkg -P" needs packages feed in one after another? Should I make some kind of loop? |
| 08:34.46 | petemc | aptitude purge '~c' |
| 08:35.21 | nsadmin | that's purge all rcs? |
| 08:35.44 | DEBUNTU73 | Hello ?!? |
| 08:35.48 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:36.41 | nsadmin | looks like it was removed from lenny before release |
| 08:36.42 | petemc | matt7676: if you absolutely insist on doing things your own silly little way, feed your results into | while read; do dpkg -P $REPLY ; done |
| 08:37.01 | Lish | DEBUNTU73: gq -- etch: 1.0.0-3 sid: 1.0.0-3+b1 experimental: 1.2.2-2 |
| 08:37.03 | nsadmin | I guess you could try building the package from source, either from etch or sid |
| 08:38.06 | nsadmin | petemc: doing things one's "silly little way" is their choice |
| 08:38.31 | nsadmin | of course, that aptitude thing you posted makes me curious what else that form can do |
| 08:38.55 | DEBUNTU73 | Lish: that means no GQ for lenny, but for all other debian distros ?! damn.. are there any known backport repos for sid/experimental ? |
| 08:39.18 | DEBUNTU73 | @ALL: sid isn't experimental anymore ?! |
| 08:39.25 | petemc | it never was |
| 08:39.26 | nsadmin | never was. |
| 08:39.30 | petemc | too slow |
| 08:39.31 | devel0 | can someone help me understand debian web boot with squashfs ? I know how it works , I dont know how to build the images with debian live |
| 08:39.31 | DEBUNTU73 | I thought sid == experimental |
| 08:39.35 | nsadmin | experimental is experimental |
| 08:39.36 | pawel314 | How can I extend timfreme for aptitude log (/var/log/aptitude). Currently in this file I have history since 14th May, but want more (1 month at least) |
| 08:39.48 | nsadmin | sid is sod |
| 08:39.49 | nsadmin | err |
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| 08:40.01 | nsadmin | sid is sid, they are two different entities |
| 08:40.03 | DEBUNTU73 | oh.. sid is recent developing version thou? |
| 08:40.19 | matt7676 | petemc: I dont mind using aptitude, but since now i have used apt-get instead. However, does "aptitude purge '~c'" remove all config files from removed packages? |
| 08:40.29 | nsadmin | yes, could be as recent as today or yesterday |
| 08:41.04 | petemc | matt7676: yes, thats what it does |
| 08:41.13 | nsadmin | but that's NOT NECESSARILY to say that means the latest version available upstream is pulled |
| 08:41.36 | nsadmin | purge removes config files |
| 08:41.45 | matt7676 | petemc: ok, I'll go with it. Thanks! |
| 08:41.55 | nsadmin | the ~c thing, not sure what that does :) |
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| 08:43.19 | nsadmin | DEBUNTU73: typically, experimental is "packaging doesn't work or isn't finished, or doesn't play nice with other packages, or other condition to make it unsuitable even for sid |
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| 08:43.27 | nsadmin | " |
| 08:43.32 | Lish | i have problem with my xrootconsole in fluxbox! any one interest to help me? |
| 08:43.51 | nsadmin | !socci |
| 08:43.55 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 08:43.55 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 08:44.33 | nsadmin | I'm a sicco, she's a sicco, he's a sicco, they're a sicco, wouldn't you like to be a sicco too? |
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| 08:46.00 | Lish | is this for me?:P |
| 08:46.54 | nsadmin | did you ask a specific question yet? did you describe the problem you're having? did you tell what you tried, what you expected and what the actual result was? |
| 08:47.01 | Lish | oh sorry |
| 08:47.02 | matt7676 | How to change dpkg "pi" status(tried to purge, but due to dependencies, it did not purge) of package to "ii" again? |
| 08:47.07 | nsadmin | if no, then yes! |
| 08:47.36 | nsadmin | matt7676: install the package |
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| 08:49.00 | Lish | nsadmin: sleep 10 && exec sudo xrootconsole -geometry 120x30+580-30 -fg aquamarine -warp /dev/xconsole & i use this in my ~/.fluxbox/startup , so some times when i do reboot, xrootconsole is not appiars on my background! and i have to use vim ~/.fluxbox/startup save(wq) exit from flux and relogin to see xrootconsole:P |
| 08:49.10 | Jabka | Where is the proper IRC channel asking about eclipse-jdt package ? i wish to repackge it and add some plugins |
| 08:49.23 | Jabka | but i can't find the proper policy for it |
| 08:49.54 | nsadmin | I'd say either debian-mentors@lists.debian.org or maybe #debian-mentors |
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| 08:50.32 | nsadmin | you could at least consider them a reception desk to a larger web of info |
| 08:51.20 | keriati | hi, i need some help with a script started from xinetd: http://pastebin.com/m3cd00164 the script started from bash works, and the log says xinetd runs the script, however, it just wont work, any id? |
| 08:51.20 | Jabka | Thank you |
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| 08:54.11 | Jabka | great i was kicked from #debian-mentors since im not invited |
| 08:54.52 | streuner | Who kicked you? |
| 08:54.53 | nsadmin | invited? |
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| 08:55.08 | streuner | !mentors |
| 08:55.08 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 08:55.35 | nsadmin | my feeling is whoever kicked you is trying to set the bar of entry artificially highter\ |
| 08:55.37 | Jabka | oo wrong server |
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| 08:56.01 | streuner | hm, that makes more sense |
| 08:56.01 | nsadmin | was? |
| 08:56.25 | Jabka | i tried to use the freenode channel and dpkg talks about debian.org server |
| 08:56.51 | Jabka | btw that was the ans : You have been kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ (Invite only channel) |
| 08:57.14 | streuner | might be here on freenode, just join irc.debian.org |
| 08:58.00 | themill | I'll take a guess that it's to close the channel and move everyone over to oftc |
| 08:58.04 | Jabka | struner , did it ill try to ask on irc.debian.org |
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| 09:02.32 | dest|cs | hi all |
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| 09:03.49 | nsadmin | interesting thing tho, I joined the mentors channel here, and right after I was kicked off I was forwarded to ##debian-mentors |
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| 09:07.04 | focalor | is there a way to automate actions, say like fusermount -u <whatever>, when a user logs out of the system or shuts the system down? |
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| 09:08.08 | bolt-work | focalor: there's always .bash_logout |
| 09:09.00 | bolt-work | focalor: for shutdown, check out the init scripts |
| 09:09.08 | focalor | bolt-work: but isn't that for when a user logs out of a shell; i need it in a gui envirment |
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| 09:10.36 | bolt-work | focalor: then that would be an option in your environment of choice, i suppose. for the shutdown, though, make an init script (or whatever their name is) |
| 09:12.51 | focalor | bolt-work: so i for the shutdown are you suggesting that i make a script and then link it to /etc/rcS.6; if that is the case that seems a bit over kill... |
| 09:13.24 | bolt-work | focalor: well, that is where stuff that's run on shutdown is generally placed... |
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| 09:15.06 | focalor | bolt-work: yeah, but there should be something that allowes for user seq. to occure for shutdowns, and logouts... if those seq. occur within user space, thus no need for root intervention |
| 09:15.35 | focalor | i'm sad to hear this... |
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| 09:17.07 | keriati | hi, i need some help with a script started from xinetd: http://pastebin.com/m3cd00164 the script started from bash works, and the log says xinetd runs the script, however, it just wont work together, any id? |
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| 09:17.45 | bolt-work | focalor: well, you could always do something ugly. make a bash script that just sleeps, and set traps to do what you want |
| 09:17.54 | j8k6f4v91 | Hi, I get this error on halevt when trying to mount a volume partition: 'DBus Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable no <-- (action, result)' |
| 09:18.16 | l403 | hello , does anyone know where the proxy settings are in the Evolution? I found a forum topic about it but cant access ubuntuforums |
| 09:18.22 | bolt-work | focalor: for the logout, that really needs to be an option in whatever environment you're using. if it isn't, your only choice is to make it or switch environments |
| 09:18.35 | j8k6f4v91 | I modify the file org.freedesktop.hal.storage.policy and restart hal and dbus services (also halevt), but still the same error |
| 09:18.50 | bolt-work | focalor: for automatic unmounting, check out autofs |
| 09:19.00 | j8k6f4v91 | on org.freedesktop.hal.storage.policy, I comment the related section |
| 09:19.07 | focalor | bolt-work: how could i make in for the environment of gnome? |
| 09:19.14 | j8k6f4v91 | What am I dooing wrong? |
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| 09:19.41 | focalor | bolt-work: no manpage for autofs... |
| 09:20.03 | hoohaah | hello. any of you using wpa_supplicant? I have working pre-up rules in /etc/network/interfaces to call wpa_supplicant with confit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf. How do I make use of the /etc/network/if-*.d/ dirs instead? |
| 09:20.08 | bolt-work | focalor: you need to install it first |
| 09:20.14 | focalor | bolt-work: ah |
| 09:20.14 | hoohaah | s/confit/config/ |
| 09:20.26 | bolt-work | focalor: i don't use gnome, so i can't help you with that. ask #gnome, perhaps |
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| 09:21.06 | bolt-work | focalor: autofs automatically mounts and unmounts filesystems when they're used |
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| 09:27.28 | sylarrr | how is Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet plus? |
| 09:27.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | requires non-free firmware |
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| 09:38.19 | mjt | anyone know if ralink-based (rt73 etc) wifi cards works under linux in bridge mode? |
| 09:38.48 | mjt | can't find answer on google |
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| 09:40.28 | Guerin | mjt: ask in #wireless or #wifi |
| 09:40.38 | mjt | thanks |
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| 09:40.54 | Hans1 | hello |
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| 09:41.12 | Guerin | mjt: i know the ralink drivers are (were?) a bit shite in linux - much better inb openbsd, where they even work in master mode and at full speed |
| 09:41.30 | rick | freebse: hola |
| 09:41.34 | Hans1 | i have problems with my WideView WT-220U PenType Receiver (Typhoon/Freecom) |
| 09:41.37 | freebse | rick: holla |
| 09:41.46 | rick | freebse: http://www.macosxhints.ch/index.php?page=2&hintid=1865 |
| 09:41.53 | nsadmin | Guerin: wouldn't one be able to crossport the driver? |
| 09:42.11 | Hans1 | dmesg | less shows: dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-wt220u-fc03.fw) |
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| 09:42.35 | Guerin | nsadmin: anything's possible. Basically they did a full reimplementation on obsd because they saw the linux driver was so shit - and they did it in about 1/10th the code, too |
| 09:42.38 | Hans1 | i tried some commands meant originally for ubuntu |
| 09:42.39 | freebse | rick: danke wird gehen damit |
| 09:42.52 | freebse | soory dudes I know this is english only |
| 09:43.08 | freebse | before someone starts the bitching bout that round here |
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| 09:43.28 | Hans1 | where should I find linux/Documentation/dvb/? |
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| 09:44.40 | nsadmin | Hans1: in linux kernel source |
| 09:44.43 | Guerin | nsadmin: though this was a year or two ago, for the 2560 in any case |
| 09:45.01 | Guerin | or 2570 I think, but same driver |
| 09:45.03 | Hans1 | nsadmin: its a file? in a directory? |
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| 09:45.37 | nsadmin | Hans1: dunno... but Documentation would be a dir under the linux kernel source tree |
| 09:46.26 | Hans1 | nsadmin: how could i find it? |
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| 09:46.43 | nsadmin | have you ever built a kernel? |
| 09:47.25 | Hans1 | nsadmin: i just did something that was explained for ubuntu, but my terminal stopped when giving the command ' make' |
| 09:48.10 | nsadmin | Guerin: I keep threatening to replace my present router (a debian box) with a smaller debian box containing a wireless card... would you have some ideas for which wireless card could do wap? |
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| 09:48.36 | Guerin | nsadmin: I haven't set one up since late 1996 |
| 09:48.39 | Guerin | no wait |
| 09:48.41 | Guerin | 2006 |
| 09:48.45 | Guerin | woah, showing my age |
| 09:48.52 | Hans1 | getting some coffee |
| 09:49.09 | Guerin | didn't even know what the internet was in 1996 |
| 09:49.09 | aaron_ | Hans1: this is #debian as you see and if you're having issues try editing and see what's wrong with the rules of the make file (: |
| 09:49.38 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: the atheros cards with madwifi or the athX drivers can. |
| 09:50.43 | DeSian | will search all files in directory for one text line, how can i do it? |
| 09:50.56 | nsadmin | p0g0_: the timeless question of course is, how would I know when I buy a card whether the chipset is the chipset I expected? or is atheros as a company more friendly in that area? |
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| 09:51.30 | rick | freebse: http://iuseapple.com/blog/apple-how-to/advanced-os-x/2007/10/29/how-to-install-leopard-from-external-firewire-hard-drive/ |
| 09:51.40 | nsadmin | DeSian: cd directory ; grep "one text line" * |
| 09:51.49 | rick | freebse: wenn du das mit deiner internen platte machst müsste das auch gehen |
| 09:52.15 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: go to the madwifi-project website and look at the compatibalitiy list |
| 09:53.10 | DeSian | nsadmin: thnx |
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| 09:53.49 | Hans1 | aaron_: i don't know how to edit ;make' files |
| 09:53.58 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: the newer drivers (AthX) break out by 802.11n support (ath9k vs ath5k) and require additional routines to support AP and encryption (hostapd, wpa_supplicant). |
| 09:54.38 | Hans1 | dpkg: find linux/Documentation/dvb/? |
| 09:55.41 | nsadmin | p0g0_: the compatibility pages I tried seem to not be there... more generally, there is no http://www.madwifi.org/wiki/ |
| 09:56.05 | nsadmin | but thanks for the direction so far |
| 09:56.10 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: note I said madwifi-project |
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| 09:56.25 | p0g0_ | the name was hijaaked and the page you wnet to is junk |
| 09:56.27 | nsadmin | oh, I tried searching for that |
| 09:56.42 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: www.madwifi-project.org |
| 09:56.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux/Documentation/dvb/?' returned no results. |
| 09:57.06 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 09:57.11 | nsadmin | http://madwifi-project.org/? |
| 09:57.19 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 09:58.49 | nsadmin | ok, I'm there |
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| 09:59.18 | nsadmin | in your opinion, what makes atheros a good choice? |
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| 10:00.28 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: long track record, cheap cards, good radios, good receivers, the madwifi driver has been around a long time, the athx drivers are being well supported by the company. |
| 10:00.54 | nsadmin | that sounds really good |
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| 10:02.12 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: the madwifi stuff is being phased out, but it is well documented, the athX stuff is too, but in more bits and pieces. |
| 10:02.35 | nsadmin | phased out? something replacing it? |
| 10:03.04 | nsadmin | athX is the name of the driver? |
| 10:03.05 | Hans1 | where can I find documentation for dvb-firmware on debian? |
| 10:03.07 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: athx is the replacement driver |
| 10:03.20 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: ath5k and ath9k |
| 10:03.38 | nsadmin | and these are written by atheros? |
| 10:03.46 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: and if you really like the bleeding edge, the USB driver Otus. |
| 10:04.36 | themill | nsadmin: http://lwn.net/Articles/250718/ (and various other articles on that site, do a site search for more) |
| 10:04.36 | nsadmin | at the moment I don't like bleeding edge so much as I like things that work and are very easy to set up :) |
| 10:04.48 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: I'd say more that Atheros is supporting the work. I'm really not sure of the details. |
| 10:05.19 | nsadmin | oh, ok... thanks for the tip... I think I'll look into all that |
| 10:05.49 | notape | noob here. i need a script that does two mencoder commands. i tried entering them one after the other and executing with ./script but that's not working. what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:06.03 | Hans1 | dpkg: bye |
| 10:06.04 | dpkg | Cya, hans1 |
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| 10:06.18 | copper__ | im trying to build a program that reqires gtk+2.6 libraries and im on debian lenny |
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| 10:06.36 | nkuttler | notape: pastebin it |
| 10:06.36 | nsadmin | hans1: http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/ |
| 10:06.38 | copper__ | is there a way to install the libraries with out messing with the rest of the system |
| 10:06.54 | nkuttler | copper__: install the -dev package? |
| 10:07.26 | nkuttler | copper__: or apt-get build dep if the software is already packaged |
| 10:08.11 | notape | nkuttler: http://pastebin.ca/1437511 |
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| 10:09.02 | nsadmin | themill: checking that one out... |
| 10:09.18 | themill | notape: put "#!/bin/sh" (without the quotes) as the first line of the script and "chmod a+x script" |
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| 10:10.04 | themill | notape: btw what you pasted is actually over 6 lines rather than 2 -- that may just be the way you pasted it or it may be like that in the file. be careful. |
| 10:10.10 | nkuttler | notape: the bash scripting howto is a good read too |
| 10:10.32 | copper__ | the dev package is still not the right version |
| 10:10.42 | copper__ | the software is not packaged |
| 10:10.48 | copper__ | im building from source |
| 10:11.00 | nkuttler | copper__: well, the build the lib too i guess |
| 10:11.08 | copper__ | i basically want to add single library without upgrading to sid |
| 10:11.17 | nkuttler | copper__: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 10:13.03 | nsadmin | copper__: then you should try building the package of that library |
| 10:13.16 | keriati | would need some help with this: http://pastebin.com/m2cfc77ae |
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| 10:14.23 | copper__ | im trying to install transmission |
| 10:14.27 | nsadmin | if you try installing the binary sid package, things can and will happen that could make apt and apt-get (and friends) confuse your system into mixing more sid packages in |
| 10:14.34 | copper__ | the lenny version is pathetically old |
| 10:14.40 | themill | oh fscking transmission again ;( |
| 10:14.48 | nkuttler | copper__: use rtorrent |
| 10:14.51 | nsadmin | copper__: but does it work? |
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| 10:15.05 | copper__ | dude whats up with transmission |
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| 10:15.19 | nkuttler | copper__: or backport the lib you need to build it |
| 10:15.21 | copper__ | why does lenny have 1.22 what they are at 1.61? |
| 10:15.28 | themill | dpkg: tell copper__ about stable |
| 10:15.45 | copper__ | i know that |
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| 10:15.52 | copper__ | but seriously 1.22? |
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| 10:16.08 | nsadmin | you have some choices... backport the lib (or seek some potential backport), upgrade to sid, try the mix dist thing at your peril |
| 10:16.11 | notape | themill: that's what it was. when i pasted it, it got split to 6 lines instead of 2. thanks |
| 10:16.18 | themill | copper__: keep reading that factoid until you can answer your question about that |
| 10:16.27 | copper__ | sid and mixed are out of the question |
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| 10:16.57 | nsadmin | then you should find a backport of the lib and the app |
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| 10:17.11 | nsadmin | or do the backporting yourself |
| 10:17.14 | themill | dpkg: tell copper__ about ssb |
| 10:17.16 | p0g0 | nsadmin: my ISP just crashed, so I may have missed your last questions, if there were any more. |
| 10:17.20 | copper__ | where would i look for backport |
| 10:17.20 | copper__ | where would i look for that. i knew about backports when i used etch but that was long ago |
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| 10:17.35 | nkuttler | copper__: read what we told you |
| 10:17.47 | nsadmin | p0g0: hi, and thanks for your input so far |
| 10:18.02 | matt7676 | I am using XFCE4 desktop environment and would like to associate .ods files with OpenOffice_Cacl icons and .odt OpenOffice_Writer icons. How to accomplish that? |
| 10:18.13 | nsadmin | I'm reading about proprietary HALs versus foss HALs |
| 10:18.34 | p0g0 | nsadmin: well, both madwifi trunk and the athx have open HALS |
| 10:18.43 | bolt-work | matt7676: try #xfce or #debian-xfce perhaps? |
| 10:19.01 | nsadmin | the thing is I'm just thinking about the possibility of getting into wireless |
| 10:19.28 | themill | copper__: you'll have to make your own backport if you really want it. All the build-depends are satisfiable in lenny so it should build quite happily. Whether it works or not is another matter: /msg dpkg backport caveat |
| 10:19.30 | nsadmin | I have just this one usb dongle that's for the laptop |
| 10:19.32 | matt7676 | bolt-work: ok, I'll do that |
| 10:20.35 | nsadmin | and it seems to work already as a client, so hopefully no problem ther |
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| 10:20.35 | p0g0 | nsadmin: but different generations of the closed HAL have individual featurs, so in general the 10.5.6 HAL (not the one in 0.9.4) is a good answer if you go with madwifi. |
| 10:20.59 | nsadmin | let me see what a HAL is before I evaluate that :) |
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| 10:22.13 | p0g0 | nsadmin: it's the Hardware Access Layer- it lies as a shim between the user and the card-atheros radios are all software controlled, so the frequency, bandwidth, and all the lower layer media stuff is driven by the HAL. |
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| 10:25.53 | nsadmin | ok, so in that article (http://lwn.net/Articles/250718/), they're saying madwifi (1) as of 9/2007 became legacy and (2) should be used for now until athX stablizes... |
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| 10:26.35 | nsadmin | p0g0 & themill, know anything more current? madwifi a good choice today? |
| 10:26.41 | copper__ | build depends are not there. gtk 2.6 is required |
| 10:27.02 | nsadmin | hmmm, that's big |
| 10:27.13 | themill | judd versions libgtk2.0-dev |
| 10:27.14 | judd | themill: libgtk2.0-dev -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 sid: 2.16.1-2 squeeze: 2.16.1-2 |
| 10:27.18 | themill | copper__: ^^ and? |
| 10:27.26 | p0g0 | nsadmin: athX is the actively developed driver, but the docs for madwifi are better, so far. |
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| 10:27.58 | nsadmin | the good thing is I don't need any of that this weekend :) |
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| 10:28.37 | p0g0 | nsadmin: you probably want to learn athX stuff. |
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| 10:29.43 | copper__ | so transmission 1.61 is in squeeze. im not willing to go to a mixed system. im a little unclear on how to install just transmission and its dependencies from squeeze using apt-get |
| 10:30.06 | nkuttler | copper__: you don't. /msg dpkg backports and ssbp |
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| 10:30.22 | nkuttler | oh, no build deps |
| 10:30.39 | themill | all the build deps are there.... |
| 10:30.45 | nkuttler | backport the build deps if necessary |
| 10:30.48 | mib_cakylr | I'm using bash and I want my text to be black, is that easy :-)? |
| 10:30.52 | nsadmin | copper__: you've been told your choices many times... you want the one in squeeze? find appropriate backports or go to squeeze |
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| 10:31.17 | nkuttler | mib_cakylr: are you sure you don't want to configure your terminal instead of bash? |
| 10:31.25 | themill | copper__: you need to make your own backport. Follow dpkg's instructions. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:31.49 | mib_cakylr | Well I'm using PuTTY |
| 10:32.01 | npe | what's the proper way to set up your ttyS0 to getty? |
| 10:32.03 | mib_cakylr | But it'd be nice to get this done on the server |
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| 10:32.49 | nsadmin | mib_cakylr: have the server make the text black? |
| 10:32.57 | nkuttler | mib_cakylr: sounds like a bad idea |
| 10:33.17 | mib_cakylr | I know what you're going to say |
| 10:33.21 | nsadmin | especially if the background is black!@ |
| 10:33.48 | mib_cakylr | But the background isn't black :-) |
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| 10:33.57 | nkuttler | mib_cakylr: configure putty |
| 10:33.58 | nsadmin | well that's good then! |
| 10:34.16 | mib_cakylr | Well completly white would probaly work too |
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| 10:34.24 | nsadmin | you're much better off configuring the terminal |
| 10:34.25 | nkuttler | mib_cakylr: anyway, you probably want the bash prompt howto |
| 10:34.57 | mib_cakylr | Maybe I should just make grey brighter |
| 10:36.00 | nsadmin | p0g0: so what I'll eventually want to do is have a new gateway with wired eth "wan" and wired "lan" and wireless "lan" |
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| 10:36.22 | nsadmin | and debian onit |
| 10:37.20 | nsadmin | I found a nice refurbished amd64x2 machine with 3g ram for like 200bux |
| 10:37.36 | nsadmin | well I didn't buy it tho, I'll have to look for another |
| 10:37.39 | p0g0 | nsadmin: leaving out the debian part, you can get that in any of the COTS WRAPS (wrt54, ubiquiti, PC-Engines, etc) for 30-75$ US |
| 10:38.04 | nsadmin | wjat |
| 10:38.06 | nsadmin | err |
| 10:38.18 | nsadmin | what's a COTS WRPS? |
| 10:38.22 | p0g0 | nsadmin: you might want to look at the distro "voyage", it's a debian derived release fro embedded devices. |
| 10:39.03 | p0g0 | Common Of The Shelf Wireless Router Aceess Points |
| 10:39.11 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 10:39.53 | p0g0 | nsadmin: but mostly, they run OpenWRT or variants. |
| 10:40.17 | nsadmin | well having a cots one would be smaller and lower power but I have occasional need to poke holes and I really like the ipmasq package |
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| 10:41.00 | p0g0 | nsadmin: you can get all that with OpenWRT (we're getting off topic here). It's well supported. |
| 10:41.03 | nsadmin | and smaller, quieter, lower power are among my desires for the replacements |
| 10:41.03 | e7th04sh | Hi, i am recording video with webcam and sound with my mp3 player. How can i merge both outputs to one file? |
| 10:41.16 | e7th04sh | It's important that they are not synchronised! |
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| 10:41.36 | nemski | e7th04sh: you don't wnt them synchronised ? |
| 10:41.42 | e7th04sh | i want |
| 10:41.50 | nemski | we all want |
| 10:42.04 | nsadmin | must... |
| 10:42.11 | nsadmin | have... pony.... |
| 10:42.15 | nemski | hehe |
| 10:42.18 | e7th04sh | that';s the problem, i start mp3 player first and i need to cut out first few seconds before merging a and v |
| 10:42.31 | nemski | e7th04sh: some form of midi recording will do the trick |
| 10:42.35 | nemski | one that takes multiple inputs |
| 10:42.50 | e7th04sh | well i have my resources and there is no way of changing the resources |
| 10:42.54 | e7th04sh | i need software solution |
| 10:43.02 | e7th04sh | i have mp3 file and video file |
| 10:43.13 | mib_cakylr | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\e[1;37m\u@\h\[\e[1;37m:\[\e[1;37m\w\[\e[1;37m\$ ' |
| 10:43.14 | nemski | google |
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| 10:43.19 | mib_cakylr | There's sorta what I were looking for |
| 10:43.22 | nemski | linux midi recorder |
| 10:43.30 | mib_cakylr | A little tweaking needing to be done, but it makes me able to read what I'm writing |
| 10:43.30 | nemski | mib_cakylr: that's really ugly :P |
| 10:43.41 | mib_cakylr | I know |
| 10:43.49 | mib_cakylr | Oh nice, it acts really strange |
| 10:43.57 | e7th04sh | nemski is that sound editor? |
| 10:44.03 | nsadmin | what you can do is take the individual tracks, record them all onto one audio track track then split the track into audio segments and place them where they go, then mute the midis and just use the audio |
| 10:44.05 | nemski | I got no idea e7th04sh |
| 10:44.07 | e7th04sh | nemski cause i dont know the interval and i need something visual |
| 10:44.16 | p0g0 | e7th04sh: google cinellerra, blender, ardour |
| 10:44.18 | mib_cakylr | Any idea on how to fix that :P? |
| 10:44.31 | e7th04sh | p0g0, thx ill check that |
| 10:44.38 | nemski | what are you trying to do ? |
| 10:44.48 | nsadmin | like if you have four bars of 4 4 time, and six midi tracks, |
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| 10:47.34 | nsadmin | then you arrange the midi tracks so that the first one plays in bars 1 - 4 (aka end of 4, start of 5), skip 5, start the second midi at bar 6, the third at bar 11, the fourth at 16, etc with the idea that each of these midi tracks triggers the synth and you record the audio |
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| 10:49.26 | nsadmin | then you split the audio track, discard the 1-bar skips and you end up with six 4-bar audio tracks... place them in six new audio tracks in the sequencer starting at bar 1 and you're good to go |
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| 10:50.19 | nsadmin | be sure to mute the midi tracks, because from that point forward you're just working with the audio tracks |
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| 10:52.50 | PiousMinion | I'm building my own package for a media player type application. What "section" would something like that belong in? |
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| 10:53.40 | mib_cakylr | Hypcrites |
| 10:53.42 | mib_cakylr | Here you go |
| 10:53.43 | mib_cakylr | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\e[1;37m\u@\h\[\e:\]\$ ' |
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| 10:53.50 | mib_cakylr | Looks alot better now |
| 10:54.48 | nsadmin | that's right, as a matter of fact I -am- hyp! |
| 10:55.53 | mib_cakylr | Hypocrites even :p |
| 10:55.58 | mesa_booger | PiousMinion: the Wishful Thinking section |
| 10:55.59 | mib_cakylr | Well atleast it does white and it looks like the standard |
| 10:56.23 | mib_cakylr | PiousMinion: media player as in audio and video? |
| 10:56.43 | themill | mib_cakylr: just because it's possible doesn't mean it's a good idea. It sounds like a terminal config problem not something you should be doing with bash. (and now you don't have any difference between white and bold white) |
| 10:56.49 | mib_cakylr | mplayer goes under graphics |
| 10:56.56 | PiousMinion | mib_cakylr: yes |
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| 10:57.08 | PiousMinion | Why graphics? How does that make sense? lol |
| 10:57.18 | mib_cakylr | It prints pretty graphics? |
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| 10:57.21 | mesa_booger | "I'm going to rewrite this kernel, just as soon as I figure out how to exit this editor ...." |
| 10:57.26 | mib_cakylr | Don't know really, but that's what it's under Lenny |
| 10:57.49 | mib_cakylr | themill: are you sure I can't differ from white and bold white now? |
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| 10:58.03 | mib_cakylr | I only modified how it looks, I didn't reprogram any colours |
| 10:58.20 | nsadmin | mesa_booger: oh, I was just interested in rewriting the editor so that it's easier for me to exit! |
| 10:59.07 | themill | mib_cakylr: doesn't that escape sequence put everything into bold white? |
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| 10:59.21 | mib_cakylr | The output of ls is not made into white |
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| 11:00.47 | nsadmin | p0g0: how does a ath5x differ from a 9x? |
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| 11:01.11 | mib_cakylr | It even looks good in my ugly PuTTY! |
| 11:01.23 | nsadmin | and if you were building a new router which would you put in there and why? |
| 11:01.23 | themill | mib_cakylr: but you wanted it to be, didn't you? All you ever asked for was "I want my text to be white" (or black). That's a terminal property. Anyway, if you just wanted a colourful prompt, you now know how to do it :) |
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| 11:02.19 | mib_cakylr | http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5250/yesg.png |
| 11:02.22 | mib_cakylr | Well both ways work for me |
| 11:02.24 | mib_cakylr | I don't really mind |
| 11:02.36 | mib_cakylr | The best part is that they even are readable in PuTTY under Windows |
| 11:02.38 | p0g0 | nsadmin: ath9k supports the 802.11n cards, ath5k manages the 802.11abg cards... |
| 11:02.59 | mib_cakylr | I could've made bold white into something else anyways |
| 11:03.02 | nsadmin | will the 9k also do abg? |
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| 11:03.23 | mib_cakylr | Ouch |
| 11:03.25 | mib_cakylr | I forgot the directory |
| 11:03.29 | mib_cakylr | deepy@Kimberley$ :( |
| 11:03.31 | p0g0 | nsadmin: yes, for the cards it supports, I think so (I'm not too familiar with the athX series) |
| 11:03.38 | copper__ | so i added the backports repository and installed according to the instructions on the website and it still the lenny version |
| 11:04.32 | mib_cakylr | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\e[1;37m\u@\h\[\e:\w\]\$ ' <3 |
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| 11:06.07 | mib_cakylr | hmm |
| 11:06.16 | mib_cakylr | I can't just slap that into a file and use sh to set it? |
| 11:06.49 | nsadmin | mib_cakylr: man bash, look for FILES section |
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| 11:07.05 | nsadmin | it explains things better than I do |
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| 11:10.21 | Bennit | howdie |
| 11:10.33 | Bennit | can aplay play mp3's normally? |
| 11:10.52 | creature1 | is there a way to turn on NIC's led? |
| 11:10.53 | Bennit | the default codecs make my mp3 sound like someone's scratching a blackboard :p |
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| 11:11.03 | creature1 | for physical identification purposes |
| 11:11.04 | Bennit | (no other sound apart from scratching) |
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| 11:12.41 | adb | creature1: is the default from vendors, usually |
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| 11:16.04 | PiousMinion | Is there an easy way to find out if I have all the packages installed that a meta-package requires(but is not currently installed) ? |
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| 11:16.53 | Bennit | apt-get check? |
| 11:17.01 | Bennit | (i think) |
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| 11:17.37 | creature1 | i hooked 4 3coms on the computer and lspci shows 3 |
| 11:17.46 | creature1 | now what the fuck |
| 11:17.56 | petemc | any of them isa? |
| 11:18.01 | creature1 | no their all PCI |
| 11:18.04 | petemc | sorry, any of them fuciking isa? |
| 11:18.04 | creature1 | the same model |
| 11:18.21 | creature1 | now i have no idea which one of them is the one that isn't working |
| 11:18.24 | petemc | does ifconfig -a show then? |
| 11:18.30 | creature1 | so i could hook it to another PCI slot |
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| 11:19.02 | creature1 | ifconfig -a shows 3 |
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| 11:20.53 | copper__ | how can i search just the lenny backports repo for a program? |
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| 11:21.12 | copper__ | i have the repo updated in my sources.conf |
| 11:21.34 | copper__ | do i apt-cache -t lenny-backports search? |
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| 11:21.50 | petemc | think you would need to use aptitude for that |
| 11:21.59 | petemc | dont know the correct term off the top of myhead |
| 11:22.14 | copper__ | aptitude is fine |
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| 11:22.23 | petemc | time to get reading then |
| 11:22.33 | copper__ | what is the apt-cache search equivilent in aptitude though? |
| 11:23.06 | petemc | aptitude search <insert bizarre syntax here> |
| 11:23.19 | petemc | all tildes and exclamation points |
| 11:23.31 | copper__ | lol |
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| 11:23.50 | petemc | !aptitude-fu |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true See also <aptitude why>. |
| 11:24.09 | petemc | that doesnt help, but gives you an example |
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| 11:28.04 | copper__ | how do i search a backport repo? |
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| 11:30.02 | zamba | so that i can track what each user does whenever he does sudo? |
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| 11:31.09 | sphenxes | I have a new extern hard drive. i would like to reformat it into vfat + ext3. I use Gparted but i can't reformat vfat. there is only ext2, 3 and swap. Where can I find the vfat format on Debian Lenny? |
| 11:31.18 | creature1 | god damnit can't i see somewhere if there is a cable plugged to NIC? |
| 11:31.34 | ethanw | sphenxes: have you install the FS tools? |
| 11:32.01 | petemc | creature1: ethtool |
| 11:32.02 | sphenxes | ethanw, i don't think so? |
| 11:32.29 | ethanw | sphenxes: aptitutde install dosfstools |
| 11:32.37 | sphenxes | ethanw, thanks |
| 11:32.47 | ethanw | sphenxes: that should then give you mkfs.vfat |
| 11:32.47 | petemc | creature1: also, dmesg shows links being negotiated |
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| 11:33.37 | copper__ | so searching backport repo is a no go eh? |
| 11:34.23 | petemc | copper__: reading aptitudes docs is a no go? |
| 11:34.37 | petemc | you can search from the backports.org website, or pdo |
| 11:34.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt p.d.o ? |
| 11:34.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | nod |
| 11:35.52 | nsadmin | copper__: you're talking to people who can help you a -lot-, and you're not impressing them by refusing to read |
| 11:36.25 | nsadmin | they're not going, "this guy is so easy to help, it's fun" |
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| 11:36.50 | mrfree | hi all |
| 11:37.00 | mrfree | I'm using drbd + ocfs2 on lenny |
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| 11:37.44 | mrfree | all works well but I noticed that the ocfs2 initscript runs before init enters the level 2 (where drdb script starts) |
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| 11:38.24 | mrfree | but because ocfs2 uses devices setted up by the drbd script, I think the correct order should be drbd and then ocfs2 |
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| 11:40.29 | cire | What is the difference between calling "iceweasel -new-tab URL" from console and letting kde4 calling it? (via default browser = "iceweasel -new-tab")? At the first, my browser stays at it's desktop, at the latter it changes to the desktop where I clicked the link (e.g. in kontact) |
| 11:40.38 | creature1 | man yesterday i was rsyncing data from old HD to new HD |
| 11:40.45 | creature1 | the new HD overheated and died |
| 11:40.59 | creature1 | it probably got up to 80 degrees celcius |
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| 11:41.27 | themill | cire: that behaviour started with iceweasel3 in lenny and I'd love to know how and why too |
| 11:41.49 | cire | yes, but try calling "iceweasel -new-tab URL" in console - it works! |
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| 11:42.09 | cire | But when calling the exact same commandline via kde, it won't work |
| 11:42.27 | cire | so perhaps it is also a kde issue |
| 11:42.43 | themill | cire: how are you doing it "via kde" |
| 11:42.57 | cire | (kde4) I set "iceweasel -new-tab" as default browser |
| 11:43.15 | cire | to be honest, I also tried to call a script which calls iceweasel, but with the same problem |
| 11:43.15 | themill | yes, but you still have to do something |
| 11:43.27 | cire | to do something? |
| 11:43.37 | cire | If I set browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground to true |
| 11:43.43 | cire | (in about:config) |
| 11:43.48 | cire | it works via console |
| 11:43.59 | themill | well "iceweasel -new-tab" as default browser is only a setting. You have to do something to actually cause it to open. |
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| 11:44.37 | nsadmin | perhaps kde first switches to the appropriate desktop (iceweasel can't really do that as it's not aware of desktops( |
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| 11:45.03 | cire | I am clicking on a link in kopete/kontact |
| 11:45.21 | themill | nsadmin: other way around -- iceweasel goes from whereever you left it to the current desktop. |
| 11:46.24 | cire | themill: did you try enabling browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground? And starting it from the console via -new-tab? |
| 11:46.30 | cire | Does this also work for you? |
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| 11:46.57 | cire | Then, the only question to be answered would be: What is the difference between calling iceweasel -new-tab from console, and via kde |
| 11:47.12 | cire | since the behaviour differs |
| 11:47.16 | themill | I have this setting to "false" but it works fine for me from konsole anyway |
| 11:47.21 | cire | okay |
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| 11:47.46 | themill | cire: I see exactly your problem, but as I said, I'm seeing it with iceweasel3 + kde 3.5 (iceweasel2 with kde3.5 did not do this). This makes me think it's an iceweasel3 thing not a kde problem |
| 11:48.32 | cire | so, iceweasel checks whether it was launched via kde or console? Or via a script which was invoked by kde? |
| 11:48.53 | themill | (although nsadmin's point about iceweasel probably not knowing anything about desktops is most likely correct) |
| 11:48.57 | sdf | hey, if i try this: apt-get update, i get this error http://paste.debian.net/37323/ ; what can i do |
| 11:49.03 | cire | this seems to be the only explanation for this error |
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| 11:50.41 | sdf | i have just edit the sources.list |
| 11:50.51 | mien | hi. i want to configure sshd on my server so it does not asume that i want to log in as root when i just type the adress, not ssh user@122.122.122.122 - rather ssh 122.122.122.122 |
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| 11:52.00 | themill | mien: you configure your local ssh client to do that in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 11:52.07 | nsadmin | mien: then don't ssh to it as root |
| 11:52.18 | brutusbkp | algum br aqui |
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| 11:52.27 | themill | !br |
| 11:52.27 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:52.32 | nsadmin | brutusbkp: /msg dpkg br |
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| 11:53.51 | johan___2 | Any suggestion on a great movie player? (dvd) the inbuilt movieplayer, dont seem to support dvd-meny and inbuilt subs.. and in vlc I cant navigate the meny.. |
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| 11:54.05 | JPT | kaffeine :) |
| 11:55.03 | johan___2 | I use gnome, maby works anyway.. |
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| 11:59.04 | cire | I am not very familiar with that, but could iceweasel be controled somehow? As dcop could with KDE apps, or DBUS, and so on? |
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| 11:59.31 | cire | sth like "dcop browser openurl URL" |
| 11:59.44 | cire | I know that dcop is deprecated now, just wanted to have an example |
| 11:59.52 | themill | cire: iceweasel doesn't appear to do d-bus and certainly doesn't do dcop |
| 12:00.23 | cire | hmm |
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| 12:01.23 | mien | themill: thx |
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| 12:02.38 | focalor | anyone remeber what one needs to mount ntfs harddrives? |
| 12:02.55 | themill | cire: If I set iceweasel to "run in terminal" in the .desktop file then it behaves. The terminal appears on current desktop but iceweasel stays where it was put. |
| 12:02.58 | flokuehn | focalor: ntfsmount |
| 12:03.23 | focalor | flokuehn: thank you |
| 12:03.31 | flokuehn | focalor: np |
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| 12:04.05 | cire | themill: I do not want the terminal to be there. Can you think of a workaround? |
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| 12:10.50 | themill | cire: at one stage I set kwin's advanced window handling settings to keep iceweasel always on desktop 1, but I think I got bored of that because sometimes I did want to change desktops. |
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| 12:11.13 | cire | yeah, that's true |
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| 12:11.22 | cire | I also do not want to fix it permanently |
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| 12:12.41 | cire | themill: I'll write a script which moves iceweasel back to it's location after having spawned the link (via wmctrl) |
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| 12:12.51 | themill | yuck ;( |
| 12:13.05 | themill | (but pastebin it as it might be interesting....) |
| 12:13.34 | blackbeard2000 | how do i check in an running kernel, if QoS is enabled? or... is QoS enabled in a fresh lenny installation? |
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| 12:17.46 | matt7676 | I had XFCE, but I installed Gnome. I changed the content of /home/username/.xinitrc file to: gnome-session. However, the default desktop environment, which opens up, is XFCE. Why? |
| 12:20.06 | mesa_booger | matt7676: have you got a .xsession or .Xsession file perhaps ? xinitrc is really only for startx rather than xdm/kdm/gdm etc |
| 12:20.51 | blackbeard2000 | .. /etc/X11/Xsession points to $HOME/.xsession? |
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| 12:22.54 | blackbeard2000 | matt7676: mesa_booger may be right.. put gnome-session in $HOME/.xsession |
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| 12:24.27 | matt7676 | I don't have .xsession file under my home. Should i create one? |
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| 12:26.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | matt7676, not much point unless you need it. |
| 12:26.56 | mesa_booger | starting the gdm service might be an idea too .... |
| 12:27.14 | mesa_booger | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.19 | cire | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2f3e1764 |
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| 12:28.28 | cire | I found a script which I took as a blueprint |
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| 12:28.34 | cire | in some bug report |
| 12:28.55 | cire | I am nmot a skilled programmer, so perhaps you want to do it in a cleaner/better way |
| 12:28.55 | cire | but it works for me |
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| 12:29.32 | themill | cire: it's an interesting start.... :) I'll have a look at it some more tonight perhaps |
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| 12:30.16 | cire | okay, you'll need package wmctrl. It are only ~10 lines btw |
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| 12:50.34 | blackbeard2000 | anyone using tc here and can say how to limit upload-bandwith? |
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| 12:53.21 | Cowclops | hmm... i'm getting slow upload speeds through the xen version of debian. Like I can download at over a megabyte per second, but the upload speed is ~120KBps and the system is fairly directly connected to an oc-3, so it should get much faster than the upload direction. would this likely be a problem with the configuration in debian or is there some setting in xen that might need to be changed? |
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| 12:57.42 | valdyn | blackbeard2000: its available, it does not make sense to be enabled |
| 12:58.00 | valdyn | blackbeard2000: or maybe you mean if debian kernels support it, yes they do |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | blackbeard2000: i use shorewall for tc, i would recommend using a frontend other than tc |
| 12:59.35 | blackbeard2001 | is blackbeard2000 now because of disconnection from privider |
| 12:59.54 | valdyn | dammit |
| 13:00.06 | valdyn | blackbeard2000: did you get my text? |
| 13:00.14 | blackbeard2001 | yes ^^ |
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| 13:00.39 | blackbeard2001 | upload is going on.. so i knew now, that a little disconnection is doable |
| 13:00.52 | blackbeard2001 | and does not interrupt the upload |
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| 13:01.51 | v4nelle | guys in tebin testing,my gnome-core have kept back......and dist-upgrade didn't anything......any help? |
| 13:02.08 | lvh | hi! |
| 13:02.18 | blackbeard2001 | valdyn: tc seems to be enabled, yes. tc -d qdisq says: qdisc pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 root bands 3 priomap [lot of numbers] |
| 13:02.20 | valdyn | v4nelle: thats not unusual |
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| 13:02.51 | v4nelle | valdyn, it will fixed by itself? |
| 13:03.02 | valdyn | v4nelle: over time, yes |
| 13:03.19 | v4nelle | ok.thx |
| 13:03.24 | smacnay | Are many people moving over to pulseaudio or is there any real benefit? |
| 13:03.25 | blackbeard2001 | valdyn i would like to use shorewall... but at the moment i have do do it on the box itself |
| 13:03.31 | lvh | I've got 2 color laser printers configured using cups. As soon as I configure them to be color, jobs still leave, but nothing is ever printed. |
| 13:03.35 | lvh | I'm guessing this is a ghostscript issue. |
| 13:03.37 | valdyn | smacnay: theres real benefits |
| 13:03.44 | valdyn | smacnay: theres real issues |
| 13:03.49 | valdyn | smacnay: like with anything |
| 13:04.01 | smacnay | valdyn: I should try it again, then. I seemed to have some glitches with some apps, iir. |
| 13:04.10 | valdyn | smacnay: it still does |
| 13:04.19 | valdyn | smacnay: but those apps are mostly just skype |
| 13:04.21 | smacnay | valdyn: ah... then maybe I will wait. |
| 13:04.38 | valdyn | smacnay: and lately flash it seems |
| 13:04.40 | zophy | is there a debian package of the chrome browser ? |
| 13:04.47 | valdyn | zophy: not really |
| 13:04.52 | lvh | How can I debug this? There are no problems in /var/log/cups/* |
| 13:05.03 | valdyn | zophy: theres some ubuntu package that works, but that browser is hardly useable |
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| 13:08.18 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to specify a mirror in the installer? |
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| 13:08.34 | blackbeard2001 | ok, there a 3 packets in lenny, which may be usefull, too: shaperd, trickle, wondershaper... at which should i look? |
| 13:08.55 | petemc | they arent all the same |
| 13:09.53 | blackbeard2001 | PiousMinion: at expert text-installer: yes |
| 13:11.00 | PiousMinion | thanks |
| 13:11.01 | abrotman | PiousMinion: it asks you to pick a mirror |
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| 13:11.12 | N3tw0rK | after returning from vacation my machine is sitting at the initramfs prompt...i can mount the partitions and navigate. but cant figure out why its wont continue booting, any suggestions? |
| 13:11.18 | abrotman | and i thought if you scrolled all the way to the bottom, it would let you enter a custom one |
| 13:13.02 | rdz | hi all. i would like to create an image of an ext3 partition using partimage. the image creation works fine, but although the filesystem uses only 3.8GB, when restoring the image it wants a partition of 20GB, because the image was taken from a partition of that size (although the fs didn't fully use it). now, in order to create an img with the minimum possible size, how can i adjust the partition table to reflect to correct size of the partition? |
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| 13:14.18 | rdz | or in other words: is there a way to determine, which and how many blocks are used by a certain fs? |
| 13:15.11 | blackbeard2001 | rdz: first backup the original partition with partitiontable (you have propably done that with partimage.. then use a tool to shrink the ext3-filesystem.. then use gparted or similar to shrink the partition... then backup the partitoin again and try that on the other computer |
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| 13:16.13 | blackbeard2001 | partimage itself does not shrink the partition-table.. it needs an equal partition in size or bigger to restore the image |
| 13:16.42 | stuckey | Anyone know how I can get freecraft to play on Lenny? I installed it from Sid but it just says "Segmentation fault" when I run it. |
| 13:16.46 | stuckey | What's a segmentation fault? |
| 13:17.06 | blackbeard2001 | a segmention fault is a segmention fault ;) |
| 13:17.21 | rdz | blackbeard2001, i am lookking for a solution on commandline only. is there a way to let parted shrink the partition, after i have shrinked the fs on that partition? |
| 13:17.28 | N3tw0rK | faulty segmentation |
| 13:17.30 | jelly | stuckey: A GPF. A serious error has occured and the application was shut down. |
| 13:17.38 | valdyn | stuckey: its an error in the program |
| 13:17.43 | blackbeard2001 | did you resolve ALL dependencies of the package from sid in lenny? |
| 13:18.39 | blackbeard2001 | rdzyes parted should do that, too on commandline. maybe a sister-project of parted, sfdisk, cfdisk, too |
| 13:18.45 | stuckey | That sucks, It used to work in Etch ... |
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| 13:19.00 | jelly | stuckey: you can't mix and match binaries from sid and lenny and expect them to work. If a newer version is what you're after or the package doesn't exist in lenny, you'll have to use a backport or make one. |
| 13:19.05 | valdyn | rdz: jsut backuping up unused blocks and shrinking the fs is 2 totally different things, partimage does not shrink the fs |
| 13:19.19 | stuckey | jelly: how do I make a backport? |
| 13:19.24 | jelly | stuckey: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:19.32 | valdyn | rdz: if you wanted to shrink the fs you would use e2fsresize or somesuch |
| 13:19.33 | blackbeard2001 | look at the partimage/parted-website for that. the problem should be known |
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| 13:19.55 | stuckey | jelly: Yeah, that's exactly what I did. |
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| 13:20.41 | dansa | quick question: where can I find old debian .iso files? |
| 13:20.51 | rdz | valdyn, i shrinke the fs already using resize2fs -M /dev/sda3 |
| 13:20.51 | blackbeard2001 | right... first backup... e2fsresize... resize the partition.. partimage again |
| 13:20.56 | stew | dansa: archive.debian.org |
| 13:21.09 | rdz | valdyn, and yeah, that is exactly, what i would like to avoid: backing up unused blcoks |
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| 13:21.23 | valdyn | rdz: oh, shrink the partition too |
| 13:21.26 | jelly | stuckey: oh, in that case it seems there's either a bug in your app, or a bug in the library versions in lenny that cause just that app to fail. |
| 13:21.40 | rdz | valdyn, yeah.. that is my initial question: how to do that correctly? |
| 13:21.48 | blackbeard2001 | rdz backing up unused blocks is not your problem.. partimage solves that |
| 13:21.52 | valdyn | rdz: recreate the partition |
| 13:21.54 | jelly | rdz: you _did_ avoid to backup unused blocks. |
| 13:22.08 | stuckey | jelly: so what are my options if I want to play this game? |
| 13:22.17 | rdz | jelly, probably i should rephrase my problem.... |
| 13:22.24 | valdyn | rdz: -> use fdisk or parted or whatever, delete the partition, create it again, smaller |
| 13:22.25 | zophy | which ubuntu release has the same libs as lenny ? |
| 13:22.30 | blackbeard2001 | stuckey : upgrade lenny to sid |
| 13:22.32 | valdyn | zophy: none |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | zophy: none? |
| 13:22.55 | blackbeard2001 | none! ^^ |
| 13:23.02 | zophy | which one is closest ? |
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| 13:23.11 | jelly | stuckey: debug it :-(, or upgrade the OS if it's feasible |
| 13:23.14 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: please don't tell people to use sid |
| 13:23.20 | valdyn | zophy: whats the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 13:23.26 | rdz | jelly, valdyn, blackbeard2001: when i try to restore my img of 3.8 (target-)size on a partition, that is 5GB, partimage is giving me an error, sayint that 5GB is too small for 20GB, that are need to restore the image |
| 13:23.28 | stuckey | jelly: I don't want Sid... how do I debug? |
| 13:23.28 | valdyn | zophy: "close" is useless |
| 13:23.32 | jelly | zophy: something like 8.04 should be pretty close |
| 13:23.32 | blackbeard2001 | tells to backup first |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | thinks zophy is going to end up with a very broken machine |
| 13:24.03 | rdz | so what i experience is, that partimage wants to recreate the unused blocks.. is that a wrong assumption? |
| 13:24.15 | valdyn | rdz: no |
| 13:24.39 | jelly | stuckey: that's a nontrivial question, it depends on the language and the libraries used... I'd suggest asking the upstream freecraft developers. |
| 13:24.41 | valdyn | rdz: why dont you just backup the files? |
| 13:24.47 | blackbeard2001 | rdz: it dows not recreate the unsused blocks.. it recreates the size of the partition |
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| 13:24.56 | rdz | valdyn, i guess, _before_ creating the image with partimage, i should adjust the partition table, so that it reflects the actual size of the fs |
| 13:25.01 | stuckey | jelly: where do I find out who the upstream developers are? |
| 13:25.12 | valdyn | rdz: yes |
| 13:25.23 | rdz | valdyn, how to do that? |
| 13:25.29 | valdyn | rdz: just like i said |
| 13:25.32 | blackbeard2001 | rdz exactly |
| 13:25.32 | rdz | (without using gparted) |
| 13:25.35 | dansa | stew: i haven't found any iso there yet; it's not clear which files compose an entire cd so that one can download them all, burn and install the system |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | stuckey: the copyright file |
| 13:25.47 | blackbeard2001 | parted |
| 13:25.51 | stuckey | Thanks |
| 13:25.56 | stuckey | There really should be a few more games in Debian. |
| 13:26.09 | jelly | stuckey: simple way: google, less simple; read /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright and other README files |
| 13:26.13 | blackbeard2001 | stuckey: why? |
| 13:26.22 | stuckey | blackbeard2001: because I get bored with flightgear. |
| 13:26.24 | rdz | valdyn, i know how to use fdisk to change the size of a partition, but how can i find out the actual size/number of blcoks? |
| 13:26.24 | jelly | blackbeard2001: for stuckey to play them |
| 13:26.37 | stuckey | blackbeard2001: and also what Jelly said. |
| 13:26.48 | valdyn | rdz: i would be lazy to do that |
| 13:27.07 | valdyn | rdz: i make the partition just a little bigger than the fs is |
| 13:27.10 | blackbeard2001 | debian is not a PS§-os.. oh wait |
| 13:27.10 | blackbeard2001 | PS3 |
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| 13:27.49 | jelly | rdz: blockdev --getsize /dev/wotev4 |
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| 13:28.22 | valdyn | jelly: thats not useful |
| 13:28.34 | jelly | rdz: ext2/ext3 will also have the block size in their metadata, so dumpe2fs -h ... |
| 13:28.38 | valdyn | rdz: dumpe2fs |
| 13:28.41 | valdyn | oo |
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| 13:29.18 | jelly | sfdisk -d works, too. |
| 13:30.18 | blackbeard2001 | why dump2fs? it just shows fs-info |
| 13:30.48 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: to see the precise size of his filesystem |
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| 13:32.09 | blackbeard2001 | first backup.. then shrink the fs. for example with resize2fs... then shrink the partition for example with sfdisk, parted, gparted... then partimage again |
| 13:32.23 | stew | dansa: which release are you looking for? |
| 13:32.42 | IamSOG | I am wondering if Debian have Anti-aliasing on fonts ? |
| 13:32.57 | blackbeard2001 | maybe you have to defrag first before resizing the fs.. but i dont jnow that 100% |
| 13:33.26 | valdyn | IamSOG: sure does |
| 13:33.50 | IamSOG | valdyn is there any ways to turn it off? I suppose that will help the PC to run faster ? |
| 13:34.01 | jelly | IamSOG: are you a troll? |
| 13:34.12 | blackbeard2001 | resize2fs -M seems to fit |
| 13:34.17 | valdyn | IamSOG: no it wont |
| 13:34.19 | rdz | jelly, valdyn: many thanks for your help.. that is what i was looking for. sorry for the long discussion |
| 13:34.24 | IamSOG | um... interseting |
| 13:34.29 | abrotman | !aa |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | i guess aa is alcoholics anonymous, or anti-aircraft, or America's Army, or anti-aliasing fonts. apt-get install anti-aliasing-howto |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:34.37 | abrotman | there is a way to do it i though |
| 13:34.47 | jelly | and that howto is a bit outofdate by now I think |
| 13:35.02 | valdyn | its just a matter of clicking some in gnome/kde |
| 13:35.50 | jelly | or editing ~/.fonts.conf |
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| 13:36.39 | blackbeard2001 | ah man! i wished i had invested in a real router with traffic-shaping included... /me is getting nuts... |
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| 13:36.50 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: wondershaper ? |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | netbrake? trickle? |
| 13:36.59 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: "real" routers dont do it near as nicely |
| 13:37.38 | blackbeard2001 | abrotman i asked allready, if i should use wondershaper |
| 13:37.48 | abrotman | and ? |
| 13:37.58 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: you shouldnt, but wondershaper is a good place to start at |
| 13:38.08 | jelly | is there a decent howto about running multiple apache instances on Debian? |
| 13:38.12 | blackbeard2001 | apt-cache search shaper seems to give me shaperd, trickle and wondershaper |
| 13:38.15 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: or shorewall |
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| 13:38.31 | stew | jelly: why do you need multiple? |
| 13:38.36 | blackbeard2001 | i dont hae shorwall _now_ :( |
| 13:38.45 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: so? |
| 13:38.50 | jelly | stew: to run different mod-php versions |
| 13:38.54 | blackbeard2001 | maybe next week.. bit not _noiw_ |
| 13:39.13 | stew | jelly: in the past I had done that by putting one on apache and another on apache2 |
| 13:39.19 | stew | and I've also chrooted |
| 13:39.23 | blackbeard2001 | abrotman: may you help me with wondershaper? |
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| 13:39.51 | valdyn | shaping properly is pretty complex, i couldnt do that on irc |
| 13:39.52 | abrotman | not in any productive way :) |
| 13:39.58 | jelly | stew: ugly and ugly. But the latter is an interesting idea that just might get a customer off my back. |
| 13:40.03 | jelly | s/latter/former/ |
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| 13:40.22 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: what are you trying to achieve ? |
| 13:40.33 | stew | jelly: well, expect ugly solutions to problems like "i want to run MORE php" |
| 13:40.34 | stew | :) |
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| 13:41.05 | blackbeard2001 | limit the upload bandwith of a lenny machine to about 50% of my whole internet-connection-upload-bandwith |
| 13:41.09 | valdyn | roumor has it he wants his torrents not to be detrimental to his web browsing eperience |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | blackbeard2001: but it's already started ? |
| 13:41.21 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: why the hell would someone do that? |
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| 13:41.28 | blackbeard2001 | without interrupting an ongoing upload |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | wouldn't it make sense to use a better torrent client? |
| 13:42.04 | blackbeard2001 | valdyn: because other machine on the network is so slooooow to surf |
| 13:42.07 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: maybe trickle actually makes sense to you |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | but trickle requires to be started with the application IIRC ? |
| 13:42.31 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: tc is made to do something better than just limiting to 50%, but trickle is made for simple things |
| 13:42.34 | blackbeard2001 | abrotman no torrent.. upload to online-backup with iceweasel |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | judd: info trickle --version lenny |
| 13:42.56 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 13:43.03 | abrotman | judd: info trickle --release lenny |
| 13:43.04 | judd | abrotman: trickle (net): is optional; Version: 1.07-6; Size: 36.4k; Installed: 156k -- user-space bandwidth shaper |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | there's also iprelay .. |
| 13:43.20 | abrotman | but afaik .. they all have to be done when the application is launched |
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| 13:44.11 | blackbeard2001 | sure? can someone test it please with an ongoing browser up-download? |
| 13:44.31 | valdyn | blackbeard2001: can you test it? |
| 13:44.34 | blackbeard2001 | yea, iprelay may be usable, too |
| 13:45.01 | blackbeard2001 | valdyn: i have a ubuntu-VM on another pc |
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| 13:45.53 | abrotman | doesn't see what that has to do with testing it |
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| 13:48.40 | blackbeard2001 | but i first would like to know, which may solve my problem best: tc, shaperd, trickle, wondeshaper, iprelay... and then i would like to read a howto ;) |
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| 13:49.39 | dansa | stew: short answer is ``all of them'' but if you can point out where the earliest is, that helps already; |
| 13:50.06 | blackbeard2001 | then i test on the ubuntu-vm and then i try it on the uploading-pc... maybe the upload is finished when i have done the testing... but that would be ok... the problem will come again, for sure |
| 13:50.59 | blackbeard2001 | dansa "point out where the earliest is" what does that mean? |
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| 13:52.12 | dansa | blackbeard2001: you're out of context; it means earliest version of debian release, in its iso form (that is, the earliest that was distributed in iso form.) |
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| 13:53.30 | blackbeard2001 | dansa: still have no clue what you mean, sorry. my debian version is lenny |
| 13:53.47 | blackbeard2001 | or table |
| 13:53.47 | blackbeard2001 | stable |
| 13:54.19 | sdfsdf23 | How can I modify my providers php.ini so i can use vtiger? I need to set the execution time to 600 it's currently set at 30 |
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| 13:56.08 | blackbeard2001 | 2,54GB of 3,6GB now.. and upload bandwith is 224 kbit/s... upload goes on with 170 kbits/s... that means i will have to wait 13 hours at minimum |
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| 13:56.43 | doubleclick | hi |
| 13:57.18 | doubleclick | can someone help me fix this? -- http://pastebin.com/m5edc8b3 |
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| 13:59.32 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick: should be clear: libnautilus-extension1: Breaks: nautilus-image-converter (< 0.3) but 0.2.1-2 is to be installed. |
| 13:59.39 | EmleyMoor | doubleclick: What are you running exactly? |
| 13:59.47 | blackbeard2001 | maybe with a --force something |
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| 14:00.18 | doubleclick | EmleyMoor: squezze |
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| 14:01.28 | ranix | if I use fdisk to make a 100gb partition on a disk sdb, then I cp /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1, where /dev/sda1 is a 40gb partition, have I actually copied the contents of sda1 to sdb1, or is this wrong? |
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| 14:02.47 | doubleclick | blackbeard2001: does it means i cannot have -image-converter? |
| 14:02.48 | Cowclops | ranix: you'd want to use dd |
| 14:03.33 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick: at the moment with your aptitudw-switches: yes |
| 14:03.49 | Cowclops | but even then |
| 14:03.52 | blackbeard2001 | you can force the installation.. but at your own risk |
| 14:03.55 | Cowclops | if sdb1 isn't empty |
| 14:04.00 | Cowclops | then thats probably gonna mess stuff up |
| 14:04.27 | ranix | Cowclops: you appear to habe not read the beginning of the sentence |
| 14:04.37 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick: is it stable, testing or sid? |
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| 14:04.49 | ranix | have, even |
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| 14:05.46 | themill | cire: it seems you can use this instead: dcop klauncher default 'exec_blind(QCString,QValueList<QCString>)' iceweasel [ -new-tab %u ] |
| 14:05.55 | doubleclick | blackbeard2001: squezze (testing, right?) |
| 14:05.59 | themill | cire: I'm not saying that's any prettier than what you've come up with, but hey :) |
| 14:06.09 | cire | is dcop working with kde4? |
| 14:06.25 | themill | cire: err.. probably not actually. I'm using lenny here. |
| 14:06.32 | cire | I am looking forward to any solution different to mine, since my script is a real ugly hack ;) |
| 14:06.34 | blackbeard2001 | don tknow if sqeeze is testing... i am from the old word.. i know just stable, testing, sid ^^ |
| 14:06.44 | EmleyMoor | squeeze is testing |
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| 14:07.19 | blackbeard2001 | so testing is testing... you have done that at your own risk... you tested.. and test failed ^^ |
| 14:07.24 | cire | themill: so we both do have a solution now, but yours will stop working when upgrading to kde4 ;) |
| 14:07.33 | cire | and mine is ugly :( |
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| 14:07.59 | doubleclick | blackbeard2001: right.. the choice was mine :)) |
| 14:08.11 | themill | cire: yeah... there's probably a dbus equivalent to that dcop one. You could try poking around with qdbusviewer to see what is exposed and then use dbus-send. |
| 14:08.28 | cire | themill: good idea |
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| 14:08.49 | doubleclick | but none of the nautilus extension ar working... |
| 14:09.01 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick: then tell it the maintainers that the failure dont goes to stable |
| 14:09.02 | doubleclick | and libnautilus-extensions1 is instaled.. |
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| 14:12.14 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick : have you tried #apt-get --fix-broken install nautilus-image-converter ? |
| 14:12.21 | ranix | what's the program that monitors the throughput of a pipe and gives you graphical feedback? |
| 14:12.35 | ranix | the thing that gives a little progress bar |
| 14:12.42 | stew | ranix: pv |
| 14:12.47 | doubleclick | blackbeard2001: no, i'll try now |
| 14:12.48 | ranix | thanks a bunch stew |
| 14:12.58 | blackbeard2001 | doubleclick: do a backup first |
| 14:13.21 | doubleclick | huh? backup of what? :) |
| 14:14.06 | blackbeard2001 | if that deasnt help... try apt-get --force-yes install ... at your own risk |
| 14:14.28 | stew | don't use --force |
| 14:14.43 | blackbeard2001 | *g* |
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| 14:15.32 | doubleclick | :D |
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| 14:16.11 | blackbeard2001 | stew its about nautilus.. who needs that? ;) |
| 14:17.02 | vlt | Hello. Is there any tool that allows me to limit "bandwidth" in a shell pipe chain? Like `cat foo.txt | bwlimit.tool -l 1M/s > /some/dest.file`. Any idea? |
| 14:17.32 | kriebz | I've heard of something like that... but don't remember what it was |
| 14:17.43 | nkuttler | does anybody use mairix, nmzmail or any other mail search? i need something that works nicely with mutt. |
| 14:17.49 | Turple | Hi, so I am suddenly not able to hold an arrow key down and have the cursor keep moving. For example, if in a text document I click the beggining of a word, i'd normally be able to press and hold the right arrow to have the cursor move to the right in the text document until i let go, but now I have to press right over and over and over, it wont scroll |
| 14:17.52 | Turple | ideas? |
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| 14:18.14 | themill | Turple: try "xset r on" |
| 14:18.18 | doubleclick | got it now, nautilus-image-converter needs nautilus >= 2.6.0 |
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| 14:18.42 | doubleclick | and i have 2.26.2-3 installed |
| 14:18.44 | Turple | themill: xset: unable to open display "" |
| 14:19.05 | themill | Turple: err... this is over ssh or something not in an X session? |
| 14:19.21 | Turple | themill: It's in an X Session |
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| 14:20.02 | Turple | themill: Like for exampple, in a terminal i'd usually be able to press up and hold it down to scroll through all my previous commands, now i have to press up arrow over and over and over instead of being able to hold it |
| 14:20.54 | nkuttler | Turple: sounds like you turned off that out repeat thing? does it work in other apps? |
| 14:20.54 | themill | Turple: are you inside a "screen" session or something? Or did you run this as a different user? Not having DISPLAY set is problematic here. |
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| 14:21.09 | Turple | nkuttler: I can't hold any of the arrow keys in any app and have it scroll, i have to press them all over and over and over heh |
| 14:21.21 | nkuttler | Turple: only the arrow keys or all others too? |
| 14:21.49 | Turple | nkuttler: all keys |
| 14:21.59 | nkuttler | Turple: try xset r |
| 14:22.12 | themill | nkuttler: scrollback... |
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| 14:22.28 | lvh | I'm having a bit of ghostscript trouble on squeeze. |
| 14:22.31 | nkuttler | themill: he said inside a text document |
| 14:22.37 | Turple | nkuttler: Ok that worked. Weird though, that xset r on didn't lol |
| 14:22.45 | Turple | thanks people |
| 14:23.02 | themill | Turple: did you run xset inside the same terminal both times? |
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| 14:23.20 | lvh | As soon as I use any of the foo2whatever-wrapper functions and tell it to produce color imagery, I get this: GPL Ghostscript 8.64: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
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| 14:23.33 | Turple | Turple: nope, opened a new one when i did xset r |
| 14:24.12 | lvh | How do I debug that? |
| 14:24.23 | themill | Turple: right... the first time you must have run it in a shell that didn't have DISPLAY set because it's through an ssh session or screen or running as a different user or something |
| 14:24.41 | Turple | themill: Ah I see. Thanks for the help |
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| 14:26.42 | reber | hi. General question, wich one is the lightest : kdm, gdm or wdm (or anyone else not listed here) |
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| 14:27.48 | lvh | reber: xdm/wdm are probably about equal |
| 14:27.52 | lvh | reber: also, *no* dm. |
| 14:27.59 | abrotman | !dm |
| 14:27.59 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 14:28.09 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:28.25 | lvh | I don't think this isnt actually a ghostscript problem but a foomatic problem |
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| 14:29.37 | ajavid | are there any reliable solutions to converting PDF to any other editable format |
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| 14:29.59 | ajavid | I tried a copule of them in debian, but the output file is horribly formatted, broken formatting, etc. etc. |
| 14:30.00 | blackbeard2001 | to which? |
| 14:30.05 | ajavid | anything |
| 14:30.09 | ajavid | just anything editable |
| 14:30.22 | blackbeard2001 | openoffice may import pdfs |
| 14:30.26 | ajavid | I tried to open the document in open office directly, and the pdf is opened as a draw document |
| 14:30.30 | ajavid | yes |
| 14:30.31 | EmleyMoor | ajavid: To edit the PDF or "write" on it? |
| 14:30.41 | ajavid | EmleyMoor, edit it, write/add/edit/delete/whatever |
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| 14:30.47 | ajavid | relace/search |
| 14:30.48 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
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| 14:31.00 | EmleyMoor | Writing on it I do with Inkscape |
| 14:31.12 | EmleyMoor | Editing the content - pass! |
| 14:31.12 | mjt | ajavid: use any graphics editor for that |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | it depends on the PDF |
| 14:31.19 | apostle | problem with new install of debian...Xsession: unable to launch "/usr/bin/gnome-session" not found: falling back to default session |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | apostle: how did you install gnome/xorg ? |
| 14:31.45 | vlt | kriebz: I found it: `pv` works fine. |
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| 14:31.55 | newhope | hello all,how can I open the "ttf" fonts file. |
| 14:32.16 | mjt | newhope: that's a good question :) |
| 14:32.33 | ajavid | its some physician policy document I can't share. Anyway, someone created it at my dads office, and forgot to save it in another format and only exproted as PDF and now needs to be edited |
| 14:32.38 | mjt | newhope: it depends on what you want to do with the font |
| 14:32.49 | ajavid | it was created with some whacky windows xp pdf printer driver crapola |
| 14:32.55 | apostle | abrotman, netinstall.....it was working yesterday.....i'm curious if it may be a hard drive issue or memory issue....how can I reconfigure the gnome-session for the users? |
| 14:33.02 | mjt | ajavid: pdf is not editable. |
| 14:33.06 | newhope | mjt:I just want to preview the font file |
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| 14:33.18 | abrotman | apostle: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 14:33.19 | ajavid | mjt, sure it is |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | mjt: some are, some are not |
| 14:33.33 | blackbeard2001 | yes on windows there are some tools to import and edit pdfs... but none which i tried is really good |
| 14:33.34 | ajavid | right |
| 14:33.47 | mjt | the editability is just purely by a chance, not by design |
| 14:33.48 | EmleyMoor | I often need to write on them because the designer didn't make them proper forms |
| 14:33.49 | themill | ajavid: if it's changing a couple of typos then pdfedit might work. If it's anything more major than that, then as a general rule, just do the form again |
| 14:33.51 | ajavid | I can edit this one too, but just that the formatting is horribly done |
| 14:33.52 | kriebz | vlt: ah, neat |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | mjt: actually .. it's largely based on the original content |
| 14:34.08 | ajavid | themill, I was trying hard not to do that hehe |
| 14:34.29 | rdz | when i know the desired blocksize of a partition, how am i going to apply the changes? somehow i can only specify size in sectors, cylinders, but not in blocks. any ideas? |
| 14:34.35 | ajavid | its fine, I can just edit as a draw document in oo |
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| 14:34.44 | blackbeard2001 | but pdf is not intended to be editable... thats the problem |
| 14:34.47 | ajavid | its a bit more manual work but whatever |
| 14:34.48 | rdz | i mean, i only have those options, when using fdisk |
| 14:35.54 | mjt | rdz: what's a "blocksize" of a partition? |
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| 14:36.19 | kriebz | what crappy fdisk are you using? |
| 14:36.23 | ajavid | size of one individual block unit on the disk, physical department of storing data ! |
| 14:36.33 | blackbeard2001 | pdf was intended to be tha last step before going to printer... i hate it, too that several companies just offer pdfs for download... for example for documents which have to be edited and send back |
| 14:36.48 | mjt | ajavid: it's a property of disk (called sector size usually) not partition |
| 14:36.55 | kriebz | blackbeard2001: you're supposed to print those ;-) |
| 14:36.57 | ajavid | sectors ghahhh |
| 14:37.02 | ajavid | fucking microsoft lingo |
| 14:37.02 | rdz | MJS, i am referring to the output of: 'blockdev --get-size /dev/sda3' |
| 14:37.10 | rdz | mjt, i am referring to the output of: 'blockdev --get-size /dev/sda3' |
| 14:37.24 | MJS | hmm... what a similar name :D |
| 14:37.29 | mjt | rdz: ah, so it's SIZE, not BLOCKsize :) |
| 14:37.37 | apostle | abrotman, getting segmentation faults when running aptitude |
| 14:37.45 | abrotman | apostle: that's nto good |
| 14:38.01 | rdz | mjt, ok.. however, i would like to adjust the partition size to the fs size |
| 14:38.06 | mjt | rdz: you can try parted or gnu fdisk, both lets you to specify size in whatever units you want. |
| 14:38.23 | mjt | rdz: bytes, sectors, kilobytes, mebibytes etc |
| 14:38.27 | apostle | getting xrdp command not found |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | did you install it? |
| 14:38.51 | rdz | mjt,so what unit is the output of 'blockdev --get-size'? |
| 14:38.56 | apostle | it had been installed before |
| 14:39.00 | apostle | I am going to reinstall |
| 14:39.02 | apostle | something really wrong |
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| 14:39.12 | major_ghz | salut |
| 14:39.20 | kriebz | rdz: blocks |
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| 14:39.23 | lvh | Hey. I can't print color anymore. When I use foo2hp2600-wrapper or foo2qpdl-wrapper normally with a ps file, it works fine. when I pass -c, I get GPL Ghostscript 8.64: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 14:39.23 | apostle | abrotman, is there some linux utilities for testing memory and hard drive |
| 14:39.27 | ajavid | blockdev retrieves which one |
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| 14:39.33 | abrotman | apostle: memtest can test memory |
| 14:39.42 | ajavid | disk block size, fs block size, or kernel buffer cache block size |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | that's where I'd probably start |
| 14:39.53 | rdz | kriebz, so what do i need to tell fdisk? |
| 14:39.58 | rdz | i am confused |
| 14:40.13 | lvh | None of the wrappers work, some of them have different ways of dying (ie just produce empty streams, such as foo2oak-wrapper) |
| 14:40.16 | lvh | How do I debug this? |
| 14:40.50 | mjt | rdz: "plain" fdisk can't resize partitions, only delete/add them. |
| 14:41.02 | cire | themill: using dbus reproduces the problem: iceweasel gets moved to another desktop |
| 14:41.16 | cire | perhaps kontact also uses dbus calls |
| 14:41.18 | rdz | mjt, yeah..that is no problem, but how can i specify the correct size, which is the same size as the fs on that partition? |
| 14:41.29 | blackbeard2001 | rdz wtf, ur still with that blocksoze things? |
| 14:41.40 | cire | and that's why using console works, but clicking inside a kde app moves iceweasel again |
| 14:41.48 | displaced | rdz why aren't you using parted? |
| 14:41.48 | ajavid | blackbeard2001, wtf, 8 years and your bear is still black? |
| 14:41.55 | ajavid | beard* |
| 14:41.58 | themill | cire: I had do do a bit ot messing about with dcop to find the right call that wouldn't move it. And yes, pretty much all exec/open calls will use dbus. (in kde3.5 it's a dcop call to klauncher) |
| 14:42.20 | rdz | displaced, if i knew, what units to use, i'd do that already.. |
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| 14:42.56 | displaced | ok, hmmm are we having problems with a hard drive? i just walked in |
| 14:42.59 | blackbeard2001 | rdz have you shrinked the filesystem allready? |
| 14:43.18 | ajavid | anyone use websvn? any idea how to enable it to have friendly or slightly prettier URLS than %20myass |
| 14:43.33 | ajavid | I went through the whole config, looked on google, no luck so far |
| 14:43.36 | mjt | ajavid: don't use spaces? |
| 14:43.51 | mjt | %20 is space |
| 14:43.53 | rdz | blackbeard2001, shrinking the fs is not the problem, really. my problem is to correctly apply the resulting size of the fs to the partition table |
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| 14:44.20 | ajavid | mjt, not just spaces man |
| 14:44.40 | kriebz | rdz: I'm not 100% sure, but you should query the blocksize with blockdev, and find out how many sectors that is |
| 14:44.45 | ajavid | http://zf1.podzone.org:8181/websvn/listing.php?repname=Atir+Javid+Blog+Project& |
| 14:44.48 | rdz | man parted shows me how to resize the partition with megabytes, but how to do it with the units given by the output of 'blockdev --get-size'? |
| 14:44.54 | ajavid | mjt, I don't want stuff like this for websvn |
| 14:44.55 | kriebz | disk sectors are probably 512 bytes |
| 14:45.01 | ajavid | mjt, I'd like it to lok like actual paths |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | ajavid: then give it a better name |
| 14:45.13 | ajavid | mjt, like blah.com/websvn/trunk/regular paths |
| 14:45.22 | Charlie2025 | Hello, I have remote PC runing Debian Lenny and there is probably no space left on disk.. How can I get to system now ? SSH says "Acces denied" .. If I want to dump or select some bigger table in mysql, it reports error, that tmp file can't be created.. |
| 14:45.24 | ajavid | just not the name/title man |
| 14:45.26 | ajavid | its everything |
| 14:45.37 | ajavid | look past the obvious for a sec |
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| 14:45.49 | mjt | i see no probs with blah.com/websvn/trunk/regular |
| 14:45.53 | module000 | Charlie2025: so you don't have SSH or physical access? |
| 14:45.59 | ajavid | mjt, I don't get that |
| 14:46.06 | ajavid | mjt, I get all sorts of encoded chars in url |
| 14:46.32 | rdz | kriebz, thanks. how can i do a block-to-sector conversion? or: how do i know how many blocks a sector contains? |
| 14:46.42 | Charlie2025 | I have SSH, but also if I put correct username and pass, it sais "acces denied" - do with root and all other users.. Physical acces..mh, any other solution there ? |
| 14:46.47 | rdz | kriebz, and how am i going to tell parted the desired unit? |
| 14:46.55 | ajavid | mjt, it shows the regular paths after a while though |
| 14:46.56 | displaced | mjt, he's used to using windows. in linux you would put an underscore instead of a space |
| 14:46.57 | kriebz | rdz: or it seems `blockdev --getsize /dev/whatever` returns size in sectors |
| 14:46.58 | module000 | Charlie2025: so you DON'T have ssh |
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| 14:47.23 | kriebz | rdz: there are 8 512s in 4096 |
| 14:47.29 | mjt | lol |
| 14:47.31 | Charlie2025 | there is runing server on remote pc, I have ssh client, I have usernames and passwords, but I can't connect, yea |
| 14:47.33 | ajavid | mjt, abrotman: for example... is what the url to a file looks like on websvn so far -- http://zf1.podzone.org:8181/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=Atir+Javid+Blog+Project&path=%2Flibrary%2FApp%2FController%2FPlugin%2FModuleSwitcher.php |
| 14:47.35 | module000 | Charlie2025: with no access (either ssh or physical) there is nothing you can do |
| 14:47.44 | ajavid | mjt, abrotman, the path is all screwey looking |
| 14:48.05 | mjt | ajavid: honestly, i don't know websvn ;) |
| 14:48.08 | ajavid | heh |
| 14:48.09 | ajavid | np |
| 14:48.11 | kriebz | rdz: make backups. this is tricky stuff even for experienced admins |
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| 14:48.36 | mjt | kriebz: btw, blockdev does not know anything about filesystems, it shows block device |
| 14:48.37 | displaced | of course it's screwy looking, you used spaces in the file creation. use underscores and it will look much closer to what you are looking for |
| 14:48.56 | ajavid | are you on crack |
| 14:48.57 | ajavid | ? |
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| 14:49.04 | kriebz | mjt: sure. I guess he'll have to calculate his target size |
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| 14:49.20 | rdz | kriebz, i know. the idea is to create a workflow for fast deploying (and for me to understand, how paritition tables, partitions and filesstem worsk). i am only doing that stuff with a test install |
| 14:49.21 | ajavid | %2F is not %20 |
| 14:49.22 | mjt | kriebz: for now, everything assumes sector size=512 |
| 14:49.22 | ajavid | :/ |
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| 14:49.49 | ajavid | mjt, however with svn its fine |
| 14:50.12 | kriebz | mjt: there are a lot of nicer tools for doing partitioning, mostly based on parted |
| 14:50.17 | ajavid | mjt, http://zf1.podzone.org:8181/svn/blog.aj/library/App/Form.php <-- no problems here |
| 14:50.26 | rdz | it seems wierd, that the trickiest part of creating a proper image file is to adjust the partition size to the fs-size... |
| 14:50.28 | mjt | kriebz: i already suggested parted and gnu-fdisk to him |
| 14:50.28 | kriebz | er, rdz... |
| 14:50.39 | rdz | mjt, yo.. i am reading parted |
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| 14:51.04 | mjt | rdz: use kilobytes/megabytes everywhere, or else you'll be confused pretty quickly |
| 14:51.08 | kriebz | I thought this was like a big deal server recovery or something |
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| 14:51.35 | mjt | rdz: blockdev --getsz shows size in 512-byte units - easy to convert to kilobytes |
| 14:51.56 | mjt | rdz: ls and du etc also shows bytes/kilobytes etc |
| 14:51.58 | rdz | mjt, ah ok.. cool to know.. and where did you get '512' from? |
| 14:52.05 | mjt | from the manpage |
| 14:52.11 | kriebz | headdesk |
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| 14:52.37 | mjt | rdz: note that for cfdisk for example, kilobyte=1000 bytes, not 1024 |
| 14:53.13 | mjt | rdz: when using parted or gnu fdisk, you can specify, say, 4gib to mean 4*1024*1024*1024 bytes, or 4g = 4000000000 bytes |
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| 14:53.41 | mjt | rdz: (parted-based utils uses kilo for 1000 and kibi for 1024) |
| 14:53.44 | rdz | mjt, got it |
| 14:53.57 | sdfsdf23 | apt, tell me about callcenter |
| 14:54.01 | sdfsdf23 | apt, tell me about calling |
| 14:54.06 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 14:54.07 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 14:54.19 | kriebz | in my perfect world, everyone will have installed a linux-based OS in text mode on a 486 before going online |
| 14:54.24 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 14:54.24 | dpkg | i guess dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 14:54.26 | mjt | rdz: traditionally partitions where aligned to cylinder boundary, which has no meaning nowadays. but cfdisk will still try to align stuff on cylinders |
| 14:55.45 | kriebz | I miss CHS |
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| 14:56.17 | mjt | rdz: and finally, you can make your partition a bit larger than your "desired size". Most filesystem can be grown, to fill it in place. This is especially useful when resizing - to not risk of getting sizes slightly wrong. |
| 14:56.17 | ajavid | chs? |
| 14:56.18 | kriebz | you could make a system seem so fast by putting frequently-used parts of the FS in the right spots |
| 14:56.56 | mjt | ajavid: cylinder/head/sector - addressing scheme |
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| 14:57.53 | ajavid | ahh |
| 14:57.59 | rdz | thanks a lot, you guys.. i guess, i know what i need to know |
| 14:58.00 | kriebz | and spreading out onto two 4.2GB SCSI disks... so much more I/O |
| 14:58.03 | ajavid | I dunno much about anything really |
| 14:58.05 | ajavid | ;) |
| 14:58.17 | ajavid | I'm a noob |
| 14:58.48 | ajavid | I'm a Noob Saibot! |
| 14:58.59 | kriebz | when I have kids, they are going to get technology in the order I got it, but sped up a little |
| 14:59.11 | blackbeard2001 | rdz: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions seems to be a good step-for-step tutorial... no need to do something with blocksizes. |
| 14:59.12 | kriebz | they'll start with Apple ][ and 8088 IBMs |
| 14:59.16 | ajavid | lol |
| 14:59.23 | ajavid | kriebz, thats funny |
| 14:59.40 | kriebz | move on to 486s and cartidge-based consoles |
| 14:59.45 | kriebz | then to UNIX workstations |
| 15:00.04 | WormFood | kriebz, what? no commie 64? |
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| 15:00.18 | WormFood | no trash-80, model 1s? |
| 15:00.25 | ajavid | I'm gonna start teaching my kids extreme programming methods as early as I can |
| 15:00.26 | ajavid | hehe |
| 15:00.28 | azeem | please keep it on topic |
| 15:00.29 | kriebz | WormFood: I never had those, sadly |
| 15:00.31 | rdz | blackbeard2001, cool.. i was wrongly assuming, that it's best to work with blocks as a unit.. but it seems, that modern tools can handle easily more human-friendly units as well.. thanks for the link |
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| 15:00.57 | ajavid | so you have a solution now |
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| 15:01.11 | kriebz | azeem: if it gets at all busy in here, I'll stop pontificating |
| 15:01.19 | ajavid | kriebz, stop now |
| 15:01.34 | blackbeard2001 | rdz: did i say something about blocksizes the last time you was here and asked about resizing a partition? ;) |
| 15:01.36 | azeem | kriebz: there's #debian-offtopic if you want do that |
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| 15:01.39 | azeem | +to |
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| 15:02.23 | junix | does anyone know if there is a nightly build to fix bug #528351 |
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| 15:10.55 | almost | the apache2 webserver (www-data) has to use another programme with UID 108 to change the UID is the line usermod -u 108 www-data |
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| 15:12.33 | MakuzoBR | Hi |
| 15:12.41 | MakuzoBR | help me |
| 15:12.53 | MakuzoBR | iptables more VOIP |
| 15:13.36 | kriebz | there's almost punctuation there |
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| 15:13.55 | lvh | E [28/May/2009:16:56:55 +0200] PID 15297 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3! |
| 15:14.05 | lvh | How do I get more information than that? |
| 15:14.12 | lvh | All it says after that is that the job stopped. |
| 15:14.19 | lvh | That's from /var/log/cups/error_log. |
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| 15:14.41 | ootput | kriebz: hah yeah no kidding |
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| 15:17.14 | edoreld | How can I automatically automate and apt-get so it bypassess graphical configurations & yes/no messages, and dependencies problems... |
| 15:17.16 | edoreld | ? |
| 15:17.30 | apostle | abrotman, ok I re-install debian with no desktop and will try memtest on the memory sticks |
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| 15:17.52 | apostle | abrotman, how about the hard drive |
| 15:18.22 | kriebz | apostle: badblocks |
| 15:19.05 | kriebz | apostle: also smartmontools |
| 15:19.18 | apostle | kriebz, cool is that a .deb package |
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| 15:19.33 | ootput | edoreld: you can't automatically |
| 15:19.53 | kriebz | apostle: use apt-cache search before irc |
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| 15:20.07 | apostle | kriebz, yes |
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| 15:20.10 | mRCUTEO | hi how can i save and restart my iptables in debian? |
| 15:20.21 | edoreld | ootput: damn |
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| 15:20.38 | edoreld | ootput: I'm trying to setup fai, but having to answer to some question in apt-get seems to defy the purpose of it |
| 15:20.52 | mns | Has anyone gotten mutt + muttprint + CUPS to work ? I can print with mutt+CUPS, but that's just plain ugly ! And I'd like to show that Outlook/Windoze folks that you can print just as good, if not better from a CLI email client. |
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| 15:22.00 | ootput | mRCUTEO: iptables-restore < /etc/iptables in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables (+x) |
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| 15:22.25 | ootput | iptables-save > /etc/iptables in /etc/network/if-post-down.d/iptables (+x) |
| 15:22.26 | riot | anyone using OCSInventory-Server? |
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| 15:22.29 | mRCUTEO | thanks |
| 15:22.36 | ootput | replace /etc/iptables at whim |
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| 15:23.12 | jelly | ootput: that save on down is a bit frightening/unwise |
| 15:23.15 | ootput | mRCUTEO: iptables-save > /etc/iptables before next reboot |
| 15:23.56 | mRCUTEO | okie |
| 15:24.05 | mRCUTEO | how can i reset all rules in iptables including NAT? |
| 15:24.40 | ootput | jelly: addressed his q. Not making any assumptions about his admin skills :) |
| 15:25.22 | ootput | mRCUTEO: that's not debian-specific, so google will prevail |
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| 15:25.54 | jelly | mRCUTEO: iptables-restoring an empty file? |
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| 15:26.19 | jelly | (hint: /dev/null is always an empty file) |
| 15:26.32 | mRCUTEO | ok |
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| 15:31.43 | apostle | abrotman, memtest looks scary |
| 15:31.49 | apostle | many failures |
| 15:31.58 | abrotman | apostle: try to reseat the RAM perhaps |
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| 15:33.38 | bober0 | hello |
| 15:34.26 | bober0 | Can I install debian lenny 5 AMD64 on intel processor? |
| 15:35.22 | kriebz | bober0: if it has 64 bit exntensions, yes |
| 15:35.57 | mns | bober0: yes. even though it says its AMD64, its meant for both AMD and Intel 64-bit platforms. |
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| 15:40.59 | Lish | question what is this 2>&1 ! :P |
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| 15:41.20 | \amethyst | Lish: redirect stderr to point to wherever stdout is pointing |
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| 15:41.47 | \amethyst | Lish: e.g. command > file 2>&1 to send both stdout and stderr to a file |
| 15:41.48 | junix | i need someone's opinoin, i have a new web server with 8GB ram, do i need to put a swap partition? |
| 15:41.48 | Lish | hmm |
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| 15:42.22 | kriebz | junix: I would, but if you ever touch it, something's running away bad and the system is going down anyway |
| 15:42.56 | junix | kriebz: what do you mean? that came out kinda broken |
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| 15:43.00 | kriebz | Lish: in other words: "send error messages in with the rest of the output" |
| 15:43.12 | Lish | \amethyst: we can use like this? make 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 15:43.52 | kriebz | junix: sorry. yes, make a partition. caveat: by the time it sees significant use, your system will be hosed anyway, but it might buy you time |
| 15:44.20 | bober0 | kriebz, mns, I see, thanks |
| 15:44.29 | junix | kriebz: ok, how big do you think i should make it? I really don't want to use 16GB of space for the swap... |
| 15:44.32 | kriebz | Lish: that's effectively "completely ignore all output from this program" |
| 15:44.35 | junix | that ridiculous |
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| 15:44.47 | kriebz | junix: 2GB is pretty normal |
| 15:44.50 | junix | ok |
| 15:45.02 | Lish | kriebz: :P |
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| 15:48.25 | Lish | kriebz: and with this i.e "dmesg > dmesg " we take the log file and save them as ASCII C++ program text right? |
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| 15:49.45 | kriebz | Lish: woah... |
| 15:49.56 | kriebz | maybe magic is guessing it's C++ |
| 15:50.10 | kriebz | but logs are never (?) sourcecode |
| 15:50.28 | Lish | ok |
| 15:50.30 | kriebz | also, be careful what user you are, and what your path is |
| 15:50.45 | kriebz | > will clobber files instantly without asking |
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| 15:51.01 | Lish | ;/ |
| 15:51.40 | themill | "set noclobber" :) |
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| 15:53.17 | SidGBF | how to reconfigure php in debian/ubuntu? |
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| 15:54.42 | jelly | SidGBF: there is no debian/ubuntu. Choose your help channel carefully and correctly. |
| 15:54.59 | kriebz | also elaborate on "reconfigure" |
| 15:55.14 | SidGBF | :-/ My server is ubuntu but I really preffer debian channels |
| 15:55.31 | jelly | SidGBF: you'll have to reproduce the issue on Debian to get help here, sorry |
| 15:55.53 | SidGBF | I just want to rebuild php with fast cgi |
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| 15:56.48 | blackbeard2001 | wow... niiiiice tutorial to setup a pxe-boot-server on lenny: http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-pxe-install-server-for-multiple-linux-distributions-on-debian-lenny for those which want to play with that... its extensible to a gparted-cd... or clonezilla... or... |
| 15:57.02 | themill | SidGBF: I'm sure "prefering debian channels" is supposed to be a complement, but it isn't really. |
| 15:57.35 | d-b | blackbeard2001: ... |
| 15:57.43 | SidGBF | I had no choice to debian... I use ubuntu cause is debian... |
| 15:57.46 | d-b | yes and apt-get install pxe blah deboostrap your own ^^ |
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| 15:57.56 | d-b | !ubuntu |
| 15:57.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:57.57 | jelly | SidGBF: it's not |
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| 15:58.23 | lunk | SidGBF: Ubuntu == Ubuntu && Ubuntu != Debian |
| 15:58.33 | jelly | SidGBF: their changes may or may not be relevant to any of users questions; we can't presume anything |
| 15:58.50 | SidGBF | Look, I don't want trouble with #Debian, so, nevermind folks... I really like Debian and don't want trouble... |
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| 15:59.15 | d-b | SidGBF: if your issue is generic we may be able to give you a starting point but nothing beyond that. |
| 15:59.22 | apostle | abrotman, I had 3 memory sticks in the system....I think one is defective...thanks for the information about memtest |
| 15:59.32 | d-b | please use your distros support channels. |
| 16:00.08 | blackbeard2001 | d-b: ? i like this tutorial... 'couse its one of my next projects... after this "§$"§$§$-upload is finished |
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| 16:00.18 | SidGBF | d-b: http://archiv.debianhowto.de/temporarily/doku.php/de:howtos:sarge:apache2_php-fcgi -> link they gave me... |
| 16:00.38 | d-b | SidGBF: that's really really dated |
| 16:00.50 | SidGBF | and german |
| 16:00.57 | d-b | are you german? |
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| 16:01.54 | \amethyst | SidGBF: debian's php5-cgi has fcgi support built in... no clue about Ubuntu's |
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| 16:02.10 | quitte | hi. any idea what's happening in sid? hardly any upgrades and lots of -dev packages newer than their libs |
| 16:02.37 | SidGBF | I don't have CGI installer... |
| 16:02.40 | SidGBF | *php-cgi |
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| 16:03.06 | d-b | \amethyst: it does too i believe. SidGBF its called php5 these days and yes please use the ubuntu channel + google for newer information. |
| 16:03.41 | SidGBF | d-b: I know, just got it |
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| 16:04.23 | yang | I would like to encode CD to MP3, I tried several encoders, all just want to do .ogg |
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| 16:04.38 | cahoot | yang: use abcde |
| 16:04.45 | yang | ok |
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| 16:05.23 | cahoot | yang: err - you lame - /msg dpkg dmm |
| 16:05.35 | cahoot | yang: err - you need lame - sorry |
| 16:05.36 | [J3di] | i have a raid0 on /dev/md0 and im trying to run cryptsetup with luks: cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/md0, i keep getting Command failed: Can not access device, anyone have an idea why ? the /dev/md0 is initialized raid (i can mkfs to it and mount, although its unmounted atm) |
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| 16:06.19 | d-b | yang: grip is also good. |
| 16:07.06 | yang | cahoot: then to rip to MP3's "abcde -d /dev/cdrom" ? |
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| 16:08.15 | cahoot | yang: for mp3 you need lame (or other mp3 encoder) + f ex abcde |
| 16:08.18 | yang | cahoot: just a remark, that "abcde" "apt-cache search mp3 rip" or "mp3 encode" doesn't show it |
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| 16:08.40 | yang | cahoot: "+ f ex abcde" what do you mean |
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| 16:09.13 | cahoot | yang: abcde or grip or any ripping app |
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| 16:09.43 | yang | grip is not in squeeze |
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| 16:10.10 | yang | i think i can find my way out now, when i got "lame" |
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| 16:14.11 | SidGBF | damn., something is broken |
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| 16:15.33 | FrEaKmAn_ | hi, how should I enable autostart of sendmailconfig? |
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| 16:16.44 | yang | cahoot: "abcde -d /dev/cdrom" will only encode to .ogg ... |
| 16:16.59 | greycat | yang: it's configurable |
| 16:17.08 | cahoot | yang: you want to do some easy config |
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| 16:18.11 | yang | -o mp3 perhaps |
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| 16:19.52 | cahoot | yang: cp /etc/abcde.conf ~/.abcde.conf - edit the latter to suit |
| 16:20.43 | cahoot | yang: it's generously commented |
| 16:20.46 | yang | thanks |
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| 16:21.07 | FrEaKmAn_ | how do I enable autostart of sendmail? |
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| 16:21.26 | greycat | install the .deb |
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| 16:24.53 | TMisto | Hello, |
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| 16:26.26 | TMisto | I have some problems with apt-get and broken dependences |
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| 16:27.04 | TMisto | I dist-upgrade todany, and now I get that error ( http://nopaste.info/010785d3ed.html ) everytime I use apt-get. |
| 16:27.28 | TMisto | how can that be solved? Ty |
| 16:27.42 | TMisto | Im getting crazy |
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| 16:28.21 | themill | Welcome to sid |
| 16:28.34 | TMisto | yup |
| 16:28.38 | TMisto | any idea anyway? |
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| 16:28.56 | greycat | !bts |
| 16:28.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 16:29.04 | rdz | is there another tool than parted, that allows altering the guid partition table? |
| 16:29.32 | TMisto | It's easy to dist-downgrade? |
| 16:29.47 | themill | TMisto: if there's nothing in the bts, try uninstalling sun-java5-bin as that might stop the contention over the alternatives. (also, /msg dpkg localized errors) |
| 16:29.50 | squisher | Does anyone how I can have music getting played through two computers on the same lan simultaneously? |
| 16:30.10 | TMisto | themill, I can't unstall the package :/ |
| 16:30.20 | jelly | squisher: and synchronized? |
| 16:30.23 | TMisto | apt-get remove sun-java5-bin shows me an error |
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| 16:30.40 | themill | TMisto: "aptitude -f install sun-java5-bin_" might do it for you |
| 16:30.42 | squisher | jelly, yup, that's the crux - otherwise I'd just use shoutcast or whatever |
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| 16:31.03 | jelly | squisher: aight. I don't know, just wanted to clear it up. :-) |
| 16:31.14 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:31.22 | HardDisk_WP | what is the most lightweight, commandline only SIP client? |
| 16:31.31 | TMisto | http://nopaste.info/43d0085d78.html |
| 16:31.35 | squisher | jelly, heh, thanks :-) Essentially I want to have a virtual soundcard which plays stuff on another computer |
| 16:31.39 | TMisto | this is the error trying to remove |
| 16:32.21 | TMisto | is possiblke to "mark" that package as installe |
| 16:32.29 | TMisto | inestalled |
| 16:32.33 | TMisto | installded |
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| 16:32.49 | jelly | TMisto: don't drink and irc! |
| 16:32.59 | TMisto | :-D |
| 16:33.04 | TMisto | sorry, new keyboard |
| 16:33.20 | themill | TMisto: can you use update-java-alternatives to set all the alternatives to the openjdk-6 provided ones? |
| 16:33.31 | TMisto | gonna try |
| 16:33.38 | TMisto | i never used that command |
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| 16:37.19 | squisher | jelly, just FYI, pulseaudio seems to be able to do it |
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| 16:40.51 | jelly | pulseaudio seems to be the next great thing. |
| 16:41.13 | jelly | I wonder if they have a phase-locked loop system like NTP does |
| 16:41.34 | greycat | I don't want to have to learn yet ANOTHER sound system. |
| 16:43.02 | themill | A sound system a day keeps the doctor away! |
| 16:44.31 | RichiH | thank linus for that |
| 16:44.54 | themill | no, that's a VCS a day keeps the doctor away |
| 16:45.01 | RichiH | either expose the bare minimum or offer a fully-fledged sound system which can fulfill modern requirements |
| 16:45.35 | RichiH | but the current mix & half-half in the linux kernel is not really helping |
| 16:45.38 | junix | i seem to be having some issues installing debian 4.0r8 on a brand new Dell PowerEdge R610, with a broadcom network card, i am trying to find the appropriate packages to install, could someone point me in the right direction'>? |
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| 16:45.52 | RichiH | junix: define issues |
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| 16:46.03 | greycat | Is there a particular need for Debian 4.0? It's not the current release. |
| 16:46.11 | junix | RichiH: it won't see the network card |
| 16:46.13 | RichiH | there is also that |
| 16:46.24 | junix | greycat: 5.0.1 wouldn't see the raid array |
| 16:46.41 | junix | i'm using 64bit |
| 16:46.43 | RichiH | junix: there are ways to install 4.0 with a newer kernel, but 5.0 Should Work |
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| 16:47.09 | RichiH | junix: why would the kernel in 4.0 see the raid and the one in 5.0 does not? |
| 16:47.21 | junix | look at bug #528351 |
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| 16:51.24 | meshuggah_ | how can i take screenshot of my desktop? |
| 16:51.37 | streuner | meshuggah_: /msg dpkg ss |
| 16:51.45 | meshuggah_ | thank |
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| 16:52.20 | nkuttler | does anybody use mairix, nmzmail or any other mail search? i need something that works nicely with mutt. |
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| 16:52.59 | meshuggah_ | it worked, thank streuner |
| 16:53.17 | junix | RichiH: find anything? |
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| 16:53.50 | ranix | !GW |
| 16:53.50 | dpkg | somebody said gw was gateway |
| 16:53.55 | ranix | thanks dpkg |
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| 16:56.17 | jelly | nkuttler: mairix is almost useful |
| 16:56.38 | jelly | nkuttler: it's also very slow with my 4GB of mail |
| 16:56.45 | pl | I was testing bash 4, but now there's an annoying problem: the completion of filenames with spaces withing fails. I want to downgrade to bash from sid, not experimental, but the command isn't working: |
| 16:56.58 | pl | apt-get -t sid --reinstall install bash |
| 16:57.09 | pl | Reinstallation of bash is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 16:57.15 | pl | wtf? |
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| 16:57.32 | jelly | pl: forgot to do an update? |
| 16:57.46 | pl | no |
| 16:57.49 | pl | just updated |
| 16:57.51 | RichiH | junix: eww |
| 16:57.54 | jelly | pl: or do you have it pinned? |
| 16:57.59 | junix | RichiH: ?? |
| 16:58.07 | pl | not, it's not pinned. I installed it with -t experimental |
| 16:58.11 | junix | RichiH: things are not looking up |
| 16:58.12 | pl | nothing more |
| 16:58.25 | RichiH | junix: personally, i would join #debian-boot on oftc, ask for the kernel the installer uses and install that onto a fresh lenny install |
| 16:58.25 | jelly | pl: does aptitude install bash/unstable work? |
| 16:58.26 | junix | i could upgrade everything except the kernel |
| 16:58.42 | [A]Li | debian having livecd? |
| 16:58.43 | RichiH | (well, personally, i just use sid for everything i have immediate physical access to) |
| 16:58.45 | jelly | pl ah... got it; don't use --reinstall |
| 16:58.53 | RichiH | but if i were you, i would choose that route, i guess |
| 16:58.56 | jpinx | judd: versions glibc |
| 16:58.56 | judd | jpinx: glibc -- |
| 16:59.00 | pl | jelly, well, aptitude worked |
| 16:59.05 | jelly | pl: reinstall implies the exact same version |
| 16:59.05 | greycat | judd: versions libc6 |
| 16:59.06 | judd | greycat: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13 |
| 16:59.08 | jpinx | judd: versions libc |
| 16:59.09 | judd | jpinx: libc -- |
| 16:59.11 | pl | let's see if that problem is fixed.. |
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| 16:59.34 | pl | yeah |
| 16:59.41 | junix | RichiH: this is going to be a production server |
| 16:59.53 | RichiH | 18:58:42 < RichiH> (well, personally, i just use sid for everything i have immediate physical access to) |
| 16:59.59 | junix | yeah i know |
| 17:00.01 | pl | wonders if he should report a bug |
| 17:00.11 | RichiH | i use testing for my own production stuff, stable for clients' |
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| 17:00.23 | RichiH | but those are a few hundred KM away, so.. |
| 17:00.25 | junix | RichiH: agreed |
| 17:00.29 | jelly | pl: experimental is used exactly to report bugs! |
| 17:00.36 | RichiH | junix: but anyway, why not install lenny and use the kernel from the installer? |
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| 17:01.06 | junix | RichiH: i guess i don't understand...the kernel from the installer? is that different from the one on the DVD? |
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| 17:02.02 | nkuttler | jelly: thanks, looks useful indeed |
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| 17:02.32 | [A]Li | debian having livecd? |
| 17:02.49 | jelly | [A]Li: yeah, but it's not extremely good yet |
| 17:02.50 | RichiH | junix: the installer kernel is different from what i know (and from what your bug report says, as well) |
| 17:03.01 | junix | ok |
| 17:03.25 | RichiH | so that makes the most sense |
| 17:03.42 | [A]Li | jelly ! somebody said to me debian is not for newbie? |
| 17:03.46 | [A]Li | is it true? |
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| 17:05.36 | jelly | [A]Li: depends on the newbie in question. I tend to agree. |
| 17:05.42 | G_O_D | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.51 | nkuttler | [A]Li: only if they can't/ don't want to read |
| 17:06.28 | [A]Li | actually i am a windows users and just want to migrate to linux |
| 17:06.52 | [A]Li | i tried many open source os but i didnt find yet wt i m in need |
| 17:07.02 | jpinx | [A]Li: just install it and take things easy - it'll be fine |
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| 17:07.14 | jelly | [A]Li: if you explained what you needed and expected, there might be suggestions |
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| 17:07.37 | jelly | and the expectations might be adjusted |
| 17:07.51 | G_O_D | well [A]Li debian is not for newbies, but for people who wants to learn and really know you is the system doing |
| 17:08.30 | jpinx | G_O_D: that's really mis-leading - it depends on the mewbie |
| 17:08.33 | [A]Li | jelly ! i need a powerfull os and yes linux is i also want an os that can give ease of use |
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| 17:08.43 | jelly | [A]Li: "powerful"? |
| 17:09.00 | jpinx | [A]Li: you need to specify what you want it to do |
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| 17:09.11 | jelly | [A]Li: if you want consistent interfaces and ease of use, stay on Windows. |
| 17:09.26 | nkuttler | [A]Li: for me debian is easy to use, but i'm somebody who want to learn about the system and likes reading man pages.. |
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| 17:09.52 | kriebz | i.e. the only kind of person that should be touching a computer |
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| 17:10.23 | [A]Li | can i run debian with windows? mean multi os? |
| 17:10.24 | jpinx | [A]Li: debian is great for me and I don't have time to learn a lot |
| 17:10.28 | jelly | [A]Li: Ubuntu is probably the next best thing but has woefully too little manpower to make it decently bug free. Expect glitches and illogical behaviour all over. |
| 17:10.46 | jelly | [A]Li: dual boot is possible. |
| 17:10.52 | jpinx | [A]Li: yes - you can multi-boot |
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| 17:11.04 | [A]Li | how ? |
| 17:11.10 | jpinx | [A]Li: or even run a vm in windows and run debian in it till you're happy |
| 17:11.19 | [A]Li | it will help me getting started |
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| 17:11.36 | ajavid | vbox is great |
| 17:11.46 | [A]Li | vbox? |
| 17:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever tried to use "pwsafe"? What is the most useful mode to use it? Also - wtf?! it's version 0.2.x, if I go to the website the download page shows version 3.17 or so |
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| 17:11.58 | jpinx | [A]Li: google for the solutions you want |
| 17:12.30 | jpinx | [A]Li: you still have not said what you want debian to do - so we can't really help you |
| 17:12.34 | [A]Li | jpinx ! google is a headache i need live support from experience persons like here |
| 17:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you saying google ain't alive? |
| 17:13.04 | jpinx | [A]Li: support here requires you to ask the right questions |
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| 17:13.20 | ajavid | otherwise you'll get '42' |
| 17:13.21 | jpinx | !poke google |
| 17:13.21 | dpkg | pokes google with a stick |
| 17:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoves the cap that provides psychic abilities over to jpinx |
| 17:13.35 | jpinx | see CutMeOwnThroat - it's dead |
| 17:13.42 | ajavid | 42 is a great answer. |
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| 17:13.46 | ajavid | works for everything. |
| 17:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, I saw it flinch! |
| 17:14.06 | jpinx | !poke CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:14.06 | dpkg | pokes CutMeOwnThroat with a stick |
| 17:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | flinches. |
| 17:14.13 | [A]Li | jpinx ! how much debian supports programming? |
| 17:14.33 | jpinx | ha! pretending to be alive CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:14.35 | ajavid | short of wiping your butt for you, debian does everything. |
| 17:14.54 | ajavid | and one day I will make a debian powered butt wiper |
| 17:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it make coffee? |
| 17:15.14 | jpinx | !coffee CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:15.14 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of fair trade Peruvian for CutMeOwnThroat, courtesy of jpinx |
| 17:15.20 | jpinx | :p |
| 17:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:15.24 | ajavid | enough. |
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| 17:15.36 | ajavid | jpinx, you have the nerve to go off on me about talking about gnome in here |
| 17:15.48 | ajavid | jpinx, and yet here you are, wasting screen space, and others time with this nonsense |
| 17:15.50 | jpinx | is not talking about gnome :p |
| 17:15.56 | mns | [A]Li: What kind of programming ? There are various compilers, libraries, environments, interpreters available for Linux and other Open Source OS. |
| 17:16.20 | jpinx | speak up [A]Li we are all waiting to hear what you want debian to do |
| 17:16.22 | maligor | 'various' is a understatement |
| 17:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he's just trolling... |
| 17:16.33 | jpinx | and in the meantime I'm getting into trouble |
| 17:16.42 | mns | s/various/multitude/ |
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| 17:16.52 | douji | Hi, i'm trying to install mysql-server on etch, but i keep getting: dpkg: error processing on the mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch10_amd64.deb (--unpack) |
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| 17:17.09 | jpinx | pokes [A]Li with hot branding iron |
| 17:17.25 | maligor | the sea has various water molecules |
| 17:17.27 | ajavid | douji, look into upgrading to lenny, etch is too old |
| 17:17.38 | ajavid | and will not be supported much longer |
| 17:17.42 | douji | i tried upgrading to lenny, but i was held back because of the same version.. |
| 17:17.42 | jpinx | douji: you know etch is not supported anymore |
| 17:17.45 | douji | i mean.. same package. |
| 17:17.50 | jpinx | apart from security |
| 17:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | douji, perhaps the package wasn't fully downloaded? |
| 17:18.09 | ajavid | douji, remove this package |
| 17:18.19 | ajavid | douji, upgrade, and install mysql after |
| 17:18.23 | [A]Li | jpinx ! the things i need playing songs, programming in php, mysql , reading books, writing cds,dvds, and i do programmming in vb.net but i know linux not support it |
| 17:18.29 | jpinx | douji: purge and re-install after upgrading |
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| 17:18.49 | douji | i'll try it... but i'm running on a live server >__< |
| 17:18.52 | jpinx | [A]Li: install debian |
| 17:18.56 | ajavid | [A]Li, linux supports it |
| 17:19.16 | ajavid | [A]Li, I think mono has a vb.net compiler (I know it has a c#.net compiler) |
| 17:19.18 | jelly | douji: it might make sense to try removing the package file /var/cache/apt/archives and redownload it again |
| 17:19.21 | mns | [A]Li: except for vb.net, you should be fine with the other things you want to do. Reading what type of books ? |
| 17:19.41 | ajavid | I'm pretty sure I saw something like a VB.NET compiler for mono |
| 17:19.45 | [A]Li | pdf format |
| 17:19.57 | stew | judd: info mono-vbnc |
| 17:20.02 | ajavid | thena gain, VB is childish and just kinda sucky. Migrate to C# at least. |
| 17:20.14 | jelly | douji: er, remove the package file _from_ /var/cache/apt/archives (not the whole directory!) |
| 17:20.25 | maligor | mono-vbnc - Mono Visual Basic Compiler (VB.NET) |
| 17:20.26 | [A]Li | ajavid ! i did not used c# ever |
| 17:20.28 | maligor | oh, heh |
| 17:20.29 | douji | ajavid, jpinx, CutMeOwnThroat, jelly: thanks, i'll try upgrading |
| 17:20.46 | ajavid | [A]Li, much more powerful than VB |
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| 17:20.51 | stew | ahh, not in stable, so judd ignores me |
| 17:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | [A]Li, just try it... there's nothing we can tell you that trying it wouldn't tell you better |
| 17:21.00 | [A]Li | ajavid ! having GUI? |
| 17:21.08 | ajavid | yes I see it here on unstable |
| 17:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so none of you guys ever tried pwsafe? |
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| 17:21.28 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: for what? |
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| 17:21.30 | ajavid | [A]Li, monodevelop supports winforms and a gui designer |
| 17:21.34 | jpinx | [A]Li: stick with stable all the way for now - until you find your feet |
| 17:21.34 | maligor | vala is cooler than C# :P |
| 17:21.48 | ajavid | [A]Li, shouldn't use winforms anyway anymore, use WPF presentation forms |
| 17:21.48 | jelly | ... !tell CutMeOwnThroat about polls |
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| 17:21.50 | mns | mono-vbnc is in testing. |
| 17:21.50 | maligor | but it's tied pretty tightly to gtk |
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| 17:21.55 | JPT | mhh... i'm adding a user to a group with "usermod -a <username> -G <groupname>... but still typing groups in the users console does not show the group. |
| 17:21.56 | ajavid | but thats neither here nor there |
| 17:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, eh, I asked properly 1st and was ignored! |
| 17:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... !tell jelly about repeat |
| 17:22.10 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i've used Revelation .. it's a gnome-ish app though |
| 17:22.17 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess that gives you your answer |
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| 17:22.39 | quotemstr | Are there any plans to drop 80486 support? |
| 17:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I specially wonder about that version mismatch... there's 0.2 in debian, the website gives me 3.17 for download?! |
| 17:22.51 | [A]Li | ajavid ! it means i need to spent some months to learn C# ? am i right it take some months or some years? |
| 17:22.52 | abrotman | quotemstr: in what time frame? |
| 17:22.55 | maligor | quotemstr, why would there be plans to do that? |
| 17:23.01 | quotemstr | abrotman: The next few years? I'm just curious. |
| 17:23.14 | abrotman | quotemstr: might be more of a question for the gcc people |
| 17:23.21 | quotemstr | Got flamed over on #centos for suggesting that the K6-2 is new enough to run modern operating systems. :-) |
| 17:23.30 | maligor | debian should run on a i386 |
| 17:23.37 | ajavid | [A]Li, is just another language. If you know OOP and some common design patterns and have experience, you can pick it up easily. You only need to learn lanauge specific syntax, constructs and features |
| 17:23.39 | stew | maligor: it doesn't |
| 17:23.44 | jelly | quotemstr: you think there are significant advantages in building for P5? |
| 17:23.47 | quotemstr | maligor: That was dropped a while ago actually, according to my reading. |
| 17:23.54 | ajavid | [A]Li, join ##programming |
| 17:24.00 | mns | [A]Li: you can never learn a language in a few weeks. Maybe the syntax, but not how to really use it. |
| 17:24.02 | maligor | stew, deceptive marketing then, heh |
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| 17:24.14 | quotemstr | jelly: Outside a few key packages, not really. Like I said, I'm just curious. |
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| 17:24.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, and how useful is such a thing? I mean, I might just pgp-encrypt a textfile... And... seems to me it's either not practical, or insecure (having a really long passphrase is not practical, a password is probably not really secure) |
| 17:24.26 | mns | I might have to look at Mono again. |
| 17:24.28 | Dillizar | how can i see witch nvidia drivers i use?? |
| 17:24.36 | [A]Li | ok |
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| 17:24.54 | stew | maligor: it would be a lot of work (without much benefit) to rename the arch from i386 to i486 if that is what you mean |
| 17:24.58 | ajavid | [A]Li, there is also ##c# |
| 17:25.00 | [A]Li | just tell me where to start i think it will be a good idea to start from installing a vm |
| 17:25.27 | [A]Li | i have vm now wht to do? |
| 17:25.45 | ajavid | !+tell [A]Li -about ig |
| 17:25.46 | dpkg | told [A]Li about ig. |
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| 17:25.58 | maligor | stew, you mean it'd mess lots of end systems |
| 17:26.08 | B0BBY | Hello People. |
| 17:26.31 | stew | maligor: yes, and it would be a lot of work from us on the infastructure side |
| 17:26.45 | B0BBY | I mounted a nfs share once, and now it's always on the desktop and in the places menu. Which is a good thing. But I don't see it in /mnt/ or /media. Where does it get mounted? |
| 17:26.47 | [A]Li | ajavid ! 1st tell me where from to download debian/ |
| 17:26.48 | [A]Li | ? |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought pwsafe was a password storage program ? |
| 17:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it did... although I might have been just overlooked - also, someone might have more of an idea how such a drastic version mismatch can be (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=pwsafe and http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/) |
| 17:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it is... |
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| 17:27.57 | ajavid | !d-i [A]Li |
| 17:27.57 | dpkg | [A]Li, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/. |
| 17:27.58 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i use it mostly for websites that i use once a year :) |
| 17:28.14 | jelly | uses alias to "gpg -d passwds.gpg | grep" |
| 17:28.39 | ajavid | [A]Li, you know, debian.org is probably a good resoruce on how to get debian... |
| 17:29.04 | jpinx | [A]Li: http://debian.org |
| 17:29.07 | ajavid | [A]Li, seriously, don't ask every little questions that pops up in your hea,d do some research for your self, please. |
| 17:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, being 2 years out of .de, I forgot how to access my German bank account and had to ask my parents.... and that's not a thing to store in iceweasel, really |
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| 17:29.41 | wald0 | how good is BTRFS ? why is not in debian ? |
| 17:29.43 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:29.48 | jelly | Germans hate weasels? |
| 17:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | we hunt them with dogs |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: that's kind of what i use it for |
| 17:30.10 | ajavid | I like the sheperds that are german |
| 17:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or with bavarians... but that's considered cruel |
| 17:30.13 | abrotman | wald0: is it in the mainline kernel ? |
| 17:30.15 | ajavid | double coated |
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| 17:30.44 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: why, what do the bavarians do to the poor little weasels? |
| 17:30.49 | Trewas | wald0: even their homepage says that btrfs is not useful for anything but reviews and benchmarks |
| 17:30.58 | douji | hi, i changed etch->lenny in my sources file, did an aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade ... do i need to reboot? |
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| 17:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, you DON'T wanna know |
| 17:31.08 | greycat | douji: to run the new kernel, yes |
| 17:31.10 | ajavid | douji, you probably shoud |
| 17:31.16 | ajavid | douji, you upgraded a kernel more than likely |
| 17:31.21 | abrotman | douji: and you probably should have read the release notes |
| 17:31.34 | jelly | !etch->lenny |
| 17:31.36 | ajavid | douji, also, dist-upgrde is now deprecated, try full-upgrade vs. safe-upgrade (man aptitude) |
| 17:31.41 | jelly | dpkg: yo |
| 17:31.41 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 17:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 17:31.51 | ajavid | well its still aliased to full I think |
| 17:32.03 | jelly | dpkg: you no answer ! any more beyotch? |
| 17:32.03 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 17:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, ! doesn't work on factoids containing -> |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | they had fixed it at one point |
| 17:32.22 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's bloody well used to |
| 17:32.26 | jelly | s/'s// |
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| 17:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it's not a bug, but a feature! |
| 17:32.38 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: ain't so! |
| 17:32.41 | ajavid | every bug is a feature |
| 17:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, all just to make you look the fool |
| 17:32.51 | ajavid | uninteded feature, but feature still |
| 17:32.57 | jelly | knew it |
| 17:33.13 | abrotman | so .. kde4 is full of "features" ? |
| 17:33.19 | ajavid | you have no idea |
| 17:33.19 | B0BBY | anyone? Where do NFS mounted folders get mounted? Originally mounted using KNetAttach from internet menu in Debian. |
| 17:33.28 | ajavid | abrotman, features pouring out the wazoo. |
| 17:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, abundantly |
| 17:33.38 | ajavid | abrotman, I'm on xfce4 |
| 17:33.44 | jelly | B0BBY: "df" or "mount" should tell you |
| 17:33.47 | abrotman | better than pinning for the rest of your life |
| 17:33.52 | ajavid | yeah |
| 17:34.06 | ajavid | how long was I going to put off the inevitable right? |
| 17:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pins abrotman to the wall |
| 17:34.11 | jelly | pinning for the fjords? |
| 17:34.17 | B0BBY | jelly: mount shows: nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw). |
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| 17:34.32 | jelly | B0BBY: that's irrelevant actually |
| 17:34.33 | B0BBY | jelly: nothing with the server name or the nfs exported folder name in it. |
| 17:34.38 | wald0 | Trewas: really ? why is not usefull ? i have just read some lot of good features from it |
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| 17:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | B0BBY, then you didn't mount it |
| 17:34.53 | Turl | hi |
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| 17:34.57 | ajavid | ahhh |
| 17:35.00 | Turl | is python 2.4 available on squeeze/sid? |
| 17:35.01 | ajavid | my foonting Turlingdrome! |
| 17:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | B0BBY, and it gets mounted to where you mounted it :) |
| 17:35.08 | Turl | ajavid: hi! :P |
| 17:35.12 | B0BBY | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm looking at my nfs mounted raid folder from another server. |
| 17:35.13 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.4 |
| 17:35.13 | ajavid | whats up little guy |
| 17:35.13 | azeem | Turl: check packages.debian.org/python2.4 |
| 17:35.14 | judd | abrotman: python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch2 etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch2 lenny: 2.4.6-1 sid: 2.4.6-2 squeeze: 2.4.6-2 |
| 17:35.21 | ajavid | Turl, lets find out |
| 17:35.25 | B0BBY | CutMeOwnThroat: I used KNetAttach last time from teh internet menu. So I don't know where it mounted it. |
| 17:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | B0BBY, well, do it yourself and you do know |
| 17:35.43 | Trewas | wald0: because it is not ready yet |
| 17:35.49 | ajavid | Turl, why are you looking for 2.4? |
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| 17:35.55 | B0BBY | http://dpaste.com/48691/ |
| 17:36.03 | jelly | B0BBY: an nfs mount point would look like alucard:/export/kyle on /net/nfs/alucard/export/kyle type nfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,nfsvers=3,proto=tcp,soft,intr,timeo=100,retrans=3,addr=10.0.0.45) |
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| 17:36.22 | Turl | ajavid: well, it seems to be there |
| 17:36.28 | Turl | then debian has a broken package :P |
| 17:36.32 | jelly | B0BBY: you don't have a nfs share mounted |
| 17:36.38 | B0BBY | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, that's a good point. I'll do it myself and add an entry in fstab like I wanted. I was just curious where the current mount is since it's always on my desktop after the first connect. |
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| 17:36.55 | ajavid | Turl, yup, thats testing/unstable for ya |
| 17:37.12 | jelly | B0BBY: it seems not to be mounted at present at all |
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| 17:37.22 | B0BBY | jelly: I know according to mount I don't. But I'm browsing my nfs share as we speak with the current data being visible.... |
| 17:37.29 | quentusrex_ | I am trying to add a client's public ssh key to one of my servers, |
| 17:37.30 | stew | Turl: what is the problem exactly? |
| 17:37.35 | B0BBY | jelly: lol, it's freaky. |
| 17:37.36 | jelly | B0BBY: browsing thru what? A shell? |
| 17:37.44 | quentusrex_ | but the client keeps getting asked for a password for the user he is trying to login as |
| 17:37.48 | \amethyst | B0BBY: KDE can browse things that aren't mounted |
| 17:37.50 | B0BBY | gnome, nautilus. |
| 17:37.54 | \amethyst | B0BBY: likewise gnome |
| 17:37.59 | ajavid | \amethyst, it mounts them |
| 17:38.05 | \amethyst | apparently it doesn't here |
| 17:38.11 | ajavid | \amethyst, the kio plugin will mount the actual things to /media somewhere |
| 17:38.12 | \amethyst | since it's not listed by 'mount' |
| 17:38.14 | Turl | stew: a friend of mine is trying to install gwibber, the twitter & cia client, and it depends on python2.4-gtk2 |
| 17:38.19 | ajavid | \amethyst, media:/ kio plugin |
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| 17:38.32 | B0BBY | \amethyst: that makes sense. Since I used KNetAttach to mount it via GUI. |
| 17:38.36 | jelly | B0BBY: both gnome and kde have own userspace vfs and drivers, that are only visible for those apps that know about them |
| 17:38.42 | ajavid | \amethyst, hmm are you sure, I looked into it once and I remember it being so |
| 17:38.56 | ajavid | \amethyst, unless that core func. has changed |
| 17:39.11 | stew | Turl: that means that the gwibber package is broken, not a debian package |
| 17:39.18 | jelly | B0BBY: nothing present in filesystem namespace, though |
| 17:39.20 | stew | Turl: it should be depending on python-gtk2 |
| 17:39.20 | \amethyst | ajavid: at least nautilus can browse SMB shares without mounting them |
| 17:39.39 | B0BBY | jelly: that makes sense and helps me to know that I'm not looking at it incorrectly. Thanks. I will now let it mount it and not worry about it. :) |
| 17:39.42 | \amethyst | ajavid: I don't know about other network filesystems but I wouldn't be surprised |
| 17:39.48 | B0BBY | evereone thank you very much for your quick help. :) |
| 17:39.50 | ajavid | I beleive smb:/ kio plugin in KDE mounts them? I am not too sure anymore, becuase you are sure |
| 17:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | B0BBY, I would gues it failed... else df should see it |
| 17:40.00 | \amethyst | ajavid: I'm not sure about KDE |
| 17:40.08 | jelly | B0BBY: you could perhaps try autofs if you like clicking on things to mount them |
| 17:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | B0BBY, heh... well... if you're seeing the files |
| 17:40.17 | ajavid | \amethyst, and I'm not very good at remembering things, though more often than not I am correct |
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| 17:41.12 | B0BBY | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah manually mounting is makes it visible in fs and in shell. :) |
| 17:41.29 | jelly | B0BBY: a feature stolen^Wreimplemented from Solaris, it can make eg. all the shares from server1 get mounted if you try accessing any file under /net/server1/ |
| 17:41.30 | B0BBY | jelly: no particular reason for GUI or CLI. Just wanting to understand what my OS is doing. ;) |
| 17:42.04 | B0BBY | jelly: that's pretty cool. |
| 17:42.20 | jelly | B0BBY: so you might keep symlinks to misc. files on nfs, and only get them mounted when actually accessed |
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| 17:42.53 | asenov | hi all |
| 17:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, ah, that's autofs that does it? ... That's actually freaky, I saw that on a system |
| 17:42.54 | jelly | B0BBY: it also unmounts after some idle time; and sometimes works badly and needs to be restarted |
| 17:43.18 | Turl | mhm, it seems my friend was using an intrepid ppa T_T |
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| 17:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, if you don't know what you're going to try to access, you can't find out, because it's not there yet |
| 17:43.26 | Turl | not your fault guys :) |
| 17:43.35 | ajavid | Turl, hah! |
| 17:43.44 | ajavid | Turl, didn't you use to use ubuntu at one point? |
| 17:43.46 | B0BBY | jelly: fstab is probably my favorite. Just alway put it there. automount. |
| 17:43.48 | asenov | i just want to ask with what debian is better from ubuntu ? |
| 17:43.54 | Turl | yeah, and I still do ajavid :P |
| 17:43.59 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: ls -la /net/nfs/alucard/export/mp3/ was there yesterday too. |
| 17:44.01 | Turl | but my friend is a debianer :P |
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| 17:44.10 | ajavid | aahhh dude, alright, I'm comin' after ya!! ;) |
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| 17:44.55 | abrotman | !tell asenov about why debian |
| 17:45.09 | ajavid | !tell Turl -about why debian |
| 17:45.12 | ajavid | too |
| 17:45.21 | debianNooB21 | hello all, I can not find away to control how NTP syncs time. I am looking to lessin the amount it tries to sync. any ideas? |
| 17:45.34 | abrotman | what do you mean "how" ? |
| 17:45.44 | greycat | debianNooB21: when your clock is in sync, it will use less traffic to maintain |
| 17:45.47 | douji | Hi, so, i've upgraded from etch->lenny, i'm still having problems installing mysql: dpkg: error processing /var/.../mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny1_amd564.deb (--unpack) |
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| 17:46.00 | abrotman | douji: did you read the release notes before doing this upgrade? |
| 17:46.03 | greycat | douji: and what was the error? |
| 17:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | amd564? |
| 17:46.17 | ajavid | obviously a typo |
| 17:46.21 | wald0 | Trewas: oh, ok |
| 17:46.31 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, or you can't figure that one out? :) |
| 17:46.33 | douji | greycat: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:46.34 | greycat | "Never type error messages into IRC. You will fuck them up. Always paste." |
| 17:46.36 | jelly | debianNooB21: you can stop the local ntp server, run "ntpdate some-ntp-server" to step the time immediately, and start it again |
| 17:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mysql-server |
| 17:46.49 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch10 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 squeeze: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny1 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 sid: 5.0.81-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 experimental: 5.1.34-1 |
| 17:46.55 | greycat | douji: somewhere in between "I found an error while unpacking" and "It exited with status 1" is the real error. |
| 17:47.17 | douji | there's a new line between them :) |
| 17:47.28 | stew | the one that says "No space left on device" |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | douji: how about using a pastebin and putting the actual text in there? |
| 17:47.42 | greycat | stew: yeah, that would've been my first guess too |
| 17:47.44 | debianNooB21 | greycat: i would think so. But I see from our firewall that over 9 meg total is coming from ntp. Now that is once every 5 mintues, to keep the translation open and total byte count |
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| 17:48.00 | greycat | debianNooB21: something's wrong, or something else is using that port to disguise itself. |
| 17:48.11 | greycat | NTP does not use 9 megabits (or megabytes) in 5 minutes. |
| 17:48.32 | abrotman | maybe if you're a public ntpd |
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| 17:49.23 | debianNooB21 | greycat it will when you sync once or twice every 5 mintes for over 3 weeks. |
| 17:49.39 | jelly | debianNooB21: negative on that |
| 17:49.45 | greycat | You said it used "9 meg" every 5 minutes. |
| 17:49.52 | douji | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d5270e95e |
| 17:50.01 | greycat | Now are you saying it used "9 meg" in 3 weeks? |
| 17:50.09 | debianNooB21 | I have three servers doing the samething. It is ntp i stop the service the problem goes away. |
| 17:50.18 | stew | twice every 5 minutes is not very often for ntp |
| 17:50.23 | debianNooB21 | not a rouge service. |
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| 17:50.32 | jelly | it's blue. |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | douji: why are you trying to downgrade mysql-server ? |
| 17:50.53 | greycat | I think mine's fuschia. |
| 17:51.08 | jelly | greycat: typo intentional? |
| 17:51.15 | douji | abrotman: i don't think i am... i actually uninstalled mysql-server before upgrading to lenny... |
| 17:51.18 | debianNooB21 | stew I agree, but is there a way to drop that back to once and hour or something? |
| 17:51.26 | abrotman | Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. |
| 17:51.30 | abrotman | grr |
| 17:51.40 | mykill | Hello, all. Can anybody give me some Gnome help? |
| 17:51.41 | mykill | I just installed Deb 5.00 to try it out and after trying blackbox and changing the GDM theme, I went back to Gnome to find that my screen font is *huge*. |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | douji: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0 |
| 17:51.46 | greycat | jelly: I spelled fuschia correctly |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | He, however, did not spell rogue correctly. |
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| 17:52.22 | \amethyst | greycat: fuchsia; it's named after Leonhart Fuchs |
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| 17:52.35 | greycat | debianNooB21: I still don't understand what your NUMBERS ARE. Is it 9 Mbits every 5 minutes or every 3 weeks? |
| 17:52.41 | \amethyst | greycat: the english pronunciation is completely wrong etymologically |
| 17:52.52 | jelly | greycat: are you telling me someone enter "fuschia" in a dictionary? |
| 17:53.03 | jelly | entered* |
| 17:53.04 | douji | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d7f0b4f59 |
| 17:53.15 | greycat | http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=fuschia |
| 17:53.23 | jelly | so they did. |
| 17:53.25 | jelly | heh |
| 17:53.36 | enouf | Roy L. Fuchs? |
| 17:53.40 | greycat | Is this a regional thing, like colour/color? |
| 17:53.41 | stew | debianNooB21: i don't know, i don't know why you'd want to |
| 17:53.43 | debianNooB21 | its the total for over 10 day old tranaltion on our firewall. that is not improtent |
| 17:53.55 | jelly | greycat: or like mispelling fuchsia |
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| 17:54.19 | debianNooB21 | stew: net security team whats it down. |
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| 17:55.00 | greycat | So it's 9 megabits in 10 days? And you're running 3 of them all sync-ing to an outside source, instead of one machine sync-ing to the outside, and all the other internal boxes sync-ing to that one? |
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| 17:55.23 | debianNooB21 | I am going to have to move to a internal NTP server. I always preperfed internet time, just because I can remember the name of the source. :) |
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| 17:56.11 | jelly | you'll still have internet time, just stratum++ |
| 17:56.15 | greycat | Are you seriously saying that 3 megabits in 10 days (the amount I presume you would have once you cut the number of sync-ing-to-outside machines from 3 to 1) is too much? |
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| 17:56.53 | jelly | it does look a bit excessive, that's like... a megabyte a month! |
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| 17:57.07 | pizzledizzle | some guy named HanDe22 has on join spam advertising porn links |
| 17:57.08 | douji | anyone else have any idea why mysql-server is not installing for me? http://pastebin.com/d7af2d722 |
| 17:57.09 | debianNooB21 | worst then that. 9 megs 1 box 10 day old translation, 3 times. |
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| 17:57.25 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 17:57.38 | debianNooB21 | greycat look at NTP it does sync data more then you think. |
| 17:57.39 | jelly | !ops HanDe22 onjoin spam |
| 17:57.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: HanDe22 onjoin spam |
| 17:57.40 | greycat | Fucktard can't even pick ONE set of numbers. |
| 17:57.43 | stew | jelly: working on it |
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| 17:58.03 | jelly | oh you're here! |
| 17:58.22 | ajavid | \amethyst, smb doesn't mount, it accesses directly via libsmb (I was told) |
| 17:58.40 | ajavid | \amethyst, as for the other media, it depends on the media, but removable media I think does get mounted |
| 17:58.49 | debianNooB21 | thanks greycat. for your help. |
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| 17:59.14 | debianNooB21 | fucktard is a new one for me. |
| 17:59.27 | stew | pizzledizzle/jelly: thanks for reporting it |
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| 18:00.31 | b7j0c | anyone have luck installing squeeze (testing) on macs? including mac pro desktop and macbooks |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | ppc or x86? |
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| 18:01.25 | b7j0c | i had tried with lenny but got the gpt issues (which i know you can fix with some refit stuff...but)...just wondering if the squeeze install will default to grub-efi |
| 18:01.30 | b7j0c | x86 |
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| 18:02.10 | b7j0c | i have ubuntu on three macs now...and i plan on doing a "clean" install so it is not like i need the dual-boot stuff |
| 18:02.16 | b7j0c | but i would like it to boot |
| 18:02.25 | b7j0c | any info appreciated |
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| 18:03.35 | nick_h | with "NameVirtualHost *:80" and "<VirtualHost *:80>", why would apache generate this warning?: NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 18:03.53 | Savago | Hello there! I'm running Debian in a VIA mini ITX box. |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | Presumably because it isn't seeing the <VirtualHost *:80> part. |
| 18:04.08 | greycat | Either because it's in a file that's not being included, or because it's commented out, etc. |
| 18:04.16 | Savago | The CPU is not strong, but it has good amount of memory (512MB). |
| 18:04.27 | apostle | abrotman, I tracked down a bad memory module...funny thin is that it only fails when in slot 2 thou another identical stick of memory does not fail in slot 2 |
| 18:04.37 | Savago | I was wondering if is possible to increase the memory used for caching the contents of disk operations? |
| 18:04.41 | abrotman | apostle: sounds like it wasn't seated correctly perhaps |
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| 18:04.50 | azeem | greycat: in case you addressed a user with `fucktard', I hope that was a one-time thing |
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| 18:05.06 | apostle | abrotman, yet another identical stick does not show errors |
| 18:05.07 | fall-en | I tried to install creative X-fi drivers to get my soundcard working have done this in ubuntu with success looked throught debian wikis to no avail |
| 18:05.14 | fall-en | any ideas |
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| 18:05.36 | abrotman | apostle: that's why i said it was possibly seated incorrectly .. unless you've already tried reseating it? |
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| 18:06.13 | kriebz | fall-en: should work out of the box. install alsa |
| 18:06.26 | ajavid | abrotman, what he should do is test the non-working stick by itself in another slot and then the original slot |
| 18:06.51 | nick_h | greycat: it turns out that i had "NameVirtualHost *:80" defined twice =P |
| 18:06.52 | ajavid | it might be the stick |
| 18:07.06 | ajavid | obviously the slot is fine with another stick |
| 18:07.19 | apostle | abrotman, yes I have |
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| 18:07.43 | fall-en | kriebz: already installed apparently it has to do with the new chipset on the soundcards creative has released thier own driversbut they fail to compile |
| 18:08.12 | ajavid | oh you already tested it |
| 18:09.10 | douji | Any idea why mysql-server is not installing for me? http://pastebin.com/d7af2d722 |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | ajavid: he already said it works in another slot |
| 18:09.21 | abrotman | douji: you never pasted what i asked for ? |
| 18:09.35 | douji | abrotman: it's at the top.... of the paste. |
| 18:09.36 | fall-en | this is where i got the info and driverhttp://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | douji: tha'ts not what i asked for |
| 18:10.24 | kriebz | oh |
| 18:10.29 | kriebz | sucks |
| 18:10.35 | ajavid | i missed that line, scrolled up foo tast i guess |
| 18:10.38 | kriebz | I can mail you a Live!, perhpas |
| 18:10.43 | ajavid | doh |
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| 18:11.04 | douji | abrotman: it's at the bottom of this paste: http://pastebin.com/d7f0b4f59 |
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| 18:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuschia... sounds like a curse |
| 18:11.58 | fall-en | kreibz: its more therror i get that is confusing when i try ./configure |
| 18:12.13 | lucasagomes | someone can indicate a good book of multicore programming? |
| 18:12.23 | Polarina | lucasagomes: Multi-threading. |
| 18:12.42 | greycat | It used to be called "parallel computing", if that helps. |
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| 18:12.55 | greycat | I'd imagine most of the older literature is still somewhat relevant. |
| 18:13.37 | lucasagomes | hmm right done... thank u guys |
| 18:13.46 | abrotman | douji: well .. that makes pretty much no sense |
| 18:14.14 | savagobr | lucasagomes, have you tried APUE (Advanced Programming in Unix Environment)? |
| 18:14.31 | savagobr | It covers multithread programming plus lots of other things. |
| 18:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that's one reason I like apt-get... the output might make just as little sense as that from aptitude, but there's less of it :) |
| 18:14.34 | douji | abrotman: that's what i'm thinking :(, i've tried downloading the downloaded .deb file and redownloading it.. also tried using other mysql-server versions.. |
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| 18:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | douji, what does dpkg -l mysql\* give you? |
| 18:15.11 | lucasagomes | thks savagobr going check out |
| 18:15.45 | savagobr | lucasagomes, try to get 2ed (that one with a Dilbert comics in the cover). |
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| 18:16.08 | lucasagomes | right im checking amazon right now |
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| 18:16.21 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant the error about downgrading .. |
| 18:16.37 | douji | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d78dbc5de |
| 18:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I meant the way you have to search for it... |
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| 18:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it doesn't :) |
| 18:17.44 | Polarina | lucasagomes: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4179961/Advanced_Programming_in_the_UNIX_Environment |
| 18:17.58 | azeem | Polarina: do you want to get banned? |
| 18:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | although there WAS a 5.1 version from 'dotdeb' |
| 18:18.03 | Hydroxide | Polarina: don't post copyright-infringing links here |
| 18:18.09 | Polarina | azeem: No. |
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| 18:18.14 | azeem | Polarina: then stop doing that |
| 18:18.17 | douji | CutMeOwnThroat: how can i ... get rid of it? |
| 18:18.18 | Polarina | Hydroxide: Who says it is? |
| 18:18.27 | azeem | Polarina: the publisher? |
| 18:18.38 | Polarina | azeem: Contact him and ask. |
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| 18:18.48 | Hydroxide | Polarina: I know it is. if you're really going argue about that for a book that many of us have read and are familiar with, you will be banned. |
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| 18:19.04 | Hydroxide | there you go. |
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| 18:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's still a mysql-common-5.1 |
| 18:19.26 | azeem | Polarina: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for providing link to copyright infringing content |
| 18:19.27 | douji | oooh.... |
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| 18:19.57 | azeem | Polarina: make no mistake that the next time, the ban will be at least semi-permanent |
| 18:21.16 | The_Tick | can I use the image of the iceweasel icon on a website so long as it's not for profit? |
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| 18:21.16 | azeem | The_Tick: I believe the iceweasel logo is free to use by definition |
| 18:21.16 | The_Tick | azeem: I assumed so |
| 18:21.16 | azeem | The_Tick: of course, you might be infringing on its trademark |
| 18:21.16 | The_Tick | but we're doing something dumb with it, so meh :) |
| 18:21.17 | maligor | why would iceweasel be trademarked? |
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| 18:21.21 | The_Tick | why not? |
| 18:21.21 | azeem | so the creator might still sue you if you use it for the clubbin-baby-seals-fanclub website |
| 18:21.24 | The_Tick | everything else is |
| 18:21.41 | \amethyst | does anyone claim a trademark on "iceweasel" or its logo? |
| 18:21.48 | maligor | trademark is quite specific in scope |
| 18:21.56 | The_Tick | ya, you have to defend it |
| 18:21.57 | maligor | people sometimes confuse it with patents and copyright |
| 18:21.59 | The_Tick | which is part of that |
| 18:22.03 | The_Tick | yea |
| 18:22.08 | The_Tick | it's annoying is what it is |
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| 18:22.24 | The_Tick | but ya, so I'm on the perian project |
| 18:22.38 | The_Tick | basically a container with ffmpeg and a few other things inside it for use on os x |
| 18:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | douji, dpkg --purge mysql-client-5.1 mysql-common mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:22.51 | Hydroxide | The_Tick: trademark is also useful. e.g., Debian is a registered trademark. Despite that, the Debian swirl (without the text "debian") is roughly BSD-licensed. |
| 18:22.57 | The_Tick | and we put something on the site to explain that we don't support old versions of os x |
| 18:23.01 | The_Tick | Hydroxide: yea, it can be |
| 18:23.06 | douji | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, :D |
| 18:23.08 | The_Tick | doesn't make it less annoying :) |
| 18:23.20 | douji | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it does make sense... # |
| 18:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ii mysql-common 5.1.34-0.dotdeb.1 MySQL database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf) |
| 18:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, newline |
| 18:24.35 | The_Tick | but we're making a story of the ice weasel |
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| 18:24.48 | The_Tick | to kind of explain to users in a nonsensical way that it's kind of a joke name |
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| 18:25.15 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: oh .. i was looking at mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:25.22 | azeem | The_Tick: that'd be ok I guess |
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| 18:25.24 | Hydroxide | The_Tick: that's totally fine. trademark isn't ever an issue if you're using the trademark to refer to the product it applies to |
| 18:25.30 | stew | does it involve snowmobiles? |
| 18:25.38 | abrotman | and butter! |
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| 18:25.44 | \amethyst | stew: ha |
| 18:25.46 | Hydroxide | The_Tick: and the iceweasel copyright license is DFSG-free too so it's quite likely fine, though you should of course read its license to be 100% sure |
| 18:25.49 | The_Tick | Hydroxide: meh, not really doing that, more like making it a real animal |
| 18:25.58 | The_Tick | nah, if someone complains |
| 18:26.01 | The_Tick | we'll just pull it |
| 18:26.11 | The_Tick | thanks guys |
| 18:26.13 | Hydroxide | The_Tick: I'd say do it, yeah. I think we have more of a sense of humor than that :) |
| 18:26.16 | stew | "Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come." |
| 18:26.28 | The_Tick | Hydroxide: go to perian.org and read the bottom of the page |
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| 18:26.31 | \amethyst | - Matt Groenig |
| 18:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, only listing all mysql packages showed it... |
| 18:27.30 | anigma | how many cd's would I have to download and use to install the basic things I need and gnome? |
| 18:27.36 | greycat | none |
| 18:27.54 | greycat | (or one, which is by far the most common way to install) |
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| 18:28.17 | anigma | ahh |
| 18:28.20 | stew | anigma: the first cd contains gnome, i don't know what the basic things you need are though. see /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 18:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | douji, if you install 3rd-party packages, you should know a bit more about the package system than you do... (i.e. how to find the problem here) |
| 18:28.47 | greycat | anigma: Most commonly, people use the net-install image (which is a small ISO) to install the basic system, then download things like X, GNOME, etc. |
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| 18:33.05 | person2 | Hello |
| 18:33.21 | person2 | I'm trying to change my keyboard map for X |
| 18:33.38 | person2 | nvidia-xconfig --layout=uk doesn't work |
| 18:34.00 | person2 | ERROR: Unable to find layout "uk". |
| 18:34.03 | cahoot | setxkbmap? |
| 18:34.52 | person2 | Same result :( |
| 18:35.07 | person2 | setxkbmap -layout uk |
| 18:35.22 | maligor | is it lenny? |
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| 18:35.38 | person2 | Yes |
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| 18:36.44 | kqr | when i create a user with the -m switch, it's home dir gets default permissions of 755, why is this? and how can i change to 700? |
| 18:36.53 | jelly | how do I search for files with link count > 1 in a directory? |
| 18:37.07 | jelly | nowait |
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| 18:37.13 | jelly | how do I search for files with link count exactly 1 in a directory? |
| 18:37.55 | greycat | I don't see a -m in adduser so he must be using useradd. |
| 18:37.55 | \amethyst | jelly: find . -links 1 |
| 18:38.15 | dotCOMmie | kqr: with adduser command? |
| 18:38.22 | kqr | oh, nevermind, i found you can change in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 18:38.38 | jelly | \amethyst: thanks. I was searching for "count" in tfm. |
| 18:38.43 | greycat | his adduser has a -m? |
| 18:39.03 | lyric | How do I list only files with ls (no dirs)? |
| 18:39.04 | dotCOMmie | greycat: it does not, thus my puzzelement |
| 18:39.13 | dotCOMmie | lyric: use find |
| 18:39.23 | xingu | greycat: good to see you back amongst the land of the living. |
| 18:39.32 | kqr | dotCOMmie: greycat: nope, useradd |
| 18:39.33 | \amethyst | with useradd you'd set UMASK=077 first |
| 18:39.46 | simonrvn | baby seals haven't been clubbed since 1980.... |
| 18:39.55 | Janhouse_ | how can I reset network from debian console? |
| 18:39.55 | lyric | okay thans |
| 18:40.02 | Janhouse_ | to gen new ip and so on |
| 18:40.07 | xingu | simonrvn: ... as yazz would say - the only way is up |
| 18:40.10 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 18:40.43 | greycat | azeem: happy? I won't bother saying what offense the person committed or what label I should be giving them. |
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| 18:41.01 | \amethyst | Janhouse_: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 18:41.17 | \amethyst | Janhouse_: that runs ifdown then ifup on all interfaces |
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| 18:41.40 | \amethyst | Janhouse_: except for lo (127.0.0.0) |
| 18:41.56 | azeem | greycat: thanks |
| 18:42.00 | azeem | uh |
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| 18:42.02 | Janhouse_ | thank you |
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| 18:45.04 | dotCOMmie | lymeca: more specifically: find . -type d -maxdepth 1 |
| 18:45.23 | dotCOMmie | err s/d/f/ |
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| 18:46.17 | dotCOMmie | oh lyric left, thats what you get for disabeling even notifications |
| 18:47.15 | greycat | dotCOMmie: it's too bad */ isn't reversible. |
| 18:47.44 | quitte | sigh. to build gcc or not build gcc? |
| 18:48.03 | nkuttler | quitte: are you bored? |
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| 18:48.57 | quitte | nkuttler: sid is missing a lot of packages. and it seems it boils down to gcc through ncurses not being buildable |
| 18:49.00 | agaran | quitte: build, just choose enough odd hardware platform as host and more odd as target, will be much fun |
| 18:49.12 | quitte | been there |
| 18:49.29 | greycat | "gcc through ncurses not being buildable"?? |
| 18:49.31 | quitte | host was very odd. x86 |
| 18:49.45 | agaran | quitte: maybe try hppa as host? |
| 18:49.53 | quitte | greycat: noticed that you can'T install libncurses5-dev in sid? you can'T build it either |
| 18:50.06 | simonrvn | what? |
| 18:50.32 | greycat | I hadn't noticed, but I hadn't been trying. |
| 18:50.36 | quitte | at least you can't solve its build dependencies |
| 18:50.40 | greycat | And you think this is due to a bug in gcc? |
| 18:51.20 | nkuttler | quitte: i'd just get a snapshot |
| 18:51.21 | quitte | no. it's not a bug. the normal transitional phase i guess. g++-multilib is just missing |
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| 18:52.18 | greycat | "sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev" seems happy enough on my box |
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| 18:53.05 | greycat | Setting up libncurses5-dev (5.7+20090523-1) ... |
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| 18:53.26 | quitte | ugh. works on another box |
| 18:53.29 | nkuttler | i just removed + reinstalled it. works fine for me |
| 18:53.40 | quitte | i guess ill start from a fresh chroot then |
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| 18:53.50 | nkuttler | quitte: no errors? |
| 18:53.56 | quitte | thanks. that probably saved days |
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| 18:56.57 | quitte | greycat: could you try if you could solve the build-deps for eclipse, please? |
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| 18:57.36 | quitte | (it all started when I finally wanted to work on stanfords 106a from youtube) |
| 18:57.45 | greycat | quitte: "sudo apt-get build-dep eclipse" wants to pull 107 MB of stuff, but it looks happy. |
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| 18:57.48 | greycat | I'm not going to do it. |
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| 18:58.16 | quitte | greycat: on sid? damn. I seriously messed up that system somehow. thanks |
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| 18:58.24 | greycat | yes, sid |
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| 18:58.52 | greycat | Oh, and it wants to remove iceape/mozilla in order to satisfy the eclipse build-dep. |
| 18:58.58 | greycat | Yet another reason I'm not going to say yes ;-) |
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| 19:00.24 | quitte | greycat: i never expected you to say yes. here it tells me it's unable to solve the dependencies. to be on the save side i'll b uild a lenny chroot and upgrade that to sid. |
| 19:00.34 | quitte | greycat: or did you recently do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:01.11 | greycat | On that particular system I never do a full dist-upgrade. I upgrade packages a handful at a time on a whim basis. |
| 19:01.29 | greycat | So parts of it may be years out of date. |
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| 19:08.36 | quitte | can someone give me a proper guesstimate of a debian main mirror for lenny squeeze and sid. both binaries and source? |
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| 19:08.51 | abrotman | you mean HDD space? |
| 19:08.55 | quitte | yes |
| 19:08.56 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 19:08.56 | abrotman | the mirror FAQ tells you |
| 19:09.06 | greycat | Oh. I didn't understand the question. |
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| 19:10.49 | jelly | quitte: all the architectures? |
| 19:11.11 | quitte | jelly: just i386 |
| 19:11.19 | jelly | sissy |
| 19:11.22 | quitte | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size ? |
| 19:12.04 | quitte | jelly: i'm doing this because I'm sick of downloads. I'm not behind some tube that could server to the outside trucks# |
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| 19:12.16 | abrotman | quitte: use an apt proxy ? |
| 19:12.35 | jelly | quitte: you'll want amd64 after some time... and then it goes downhill from there! |
| 19:13.01 | kriebz | if DLing a few packages is a huge drag on your connection, it will likely take all of your badwidth to keep a mirror up to date |
| 19:13.14 | quitte | abrotman: it seems to be less than 30G so 20G should be plenty if i leave out contrib non-free and etch.I guess I'll save more time with a full mirror |
| 19:13.18 | kriebz | and weeeks to sync it for the first time |
| 19:13.23 | jelly | it might take it a different time thought |
| 19:13.30 | abrotman | quitte: how many machines do you have? |
| 19:13.31 | jelly | s/ht$/h/ |
| 19:13.49 | greycat | quitte: might be simpler just to use a caching proxy (squid) |
| 19:14.03 | greycat | configure it to allow really big objects to be cached |
| 19:14.14 | abrotman | or use an apt proxy? |
| 19:14.20 | quitte | abrotman: 3 physical. but as I'm fiddling a lot with chroots and debian-live lately... |
| 19:14.22 | jelly | kriebz: step 1) send an initial mirror via sneakernet |
| 19:14.24 | kriebz | lenny squeeze and sid binaries and source, even just main, is not 30GB |
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| 19:14.38 | abrotman | quitte: really ... one of the bazillion apt proxy packages is probably better suited |
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| 19:14.49 | kriebz | I htink you left out a 0 |
| 19:14.57 | quitte | oh. I ignored source. that kind of changes everything |
| 19:15.22 | kriebz | I have a 50/50 fiber line at my work (ISP). I'm considering a mirror |
| 19:15.30 | kriebz | I'm not sure I can devote enought bandwidth |
| 19:15.46 | kriebz | caught jelly's extra 't' |
| 19:16.10 | jelly | hx |
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| 19:39.34 | DeSian | ican't remove or change owner from my USB-stick. http://paste.debian.net/37379/ |
| 19:39.45 | DeSian | is already mounted |
| 19:40.49 | nkuttler | DeSian: read-only file system is pretty clear. see dmesg | tail |
| 19:40.53 | cahoot | DeSian: fat? |
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| 19:41.01 | DeSian | cahoot: yes |
| 19:41.20 | cahoot | DeSian: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 19:41.54 | anigma | cahoot, dpkg No such nick/channel |
| 19:42.11 | cahoot | DeSian: if you use gnome - gconf-editor - system-storage etc |
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| 19:42.23 | DeSian | cahoot: no i use fluxbox |
| 19:42.33 | cahoot | !vfatrw |
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| 19:42.35 | nkuttler | ~vfatrw |
| 19:42.36 | apt | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 19:42.41 | file-exists-p | hi people |
| 19:42.41 | cahoot | thanks |
| 19:42.54 | nkuttler | although that's probably not going to fix his problem |
| 19:43.42 | file-exists-p | if I want to make a source package which contains just one executable (i.e. one dummy.cc and one Makefile) and one man page, what is the simplest procedure? |
| 19:44.46 | dondelelcaro | file-exists-p: look at the packaging of hello |
| 19:45.11 | file-exists-p | donde: it's reasonnable to hack from it ? |
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| 19:45.23 | file-exists-p | donde: there is no magic procedure one has to follow ? |
| 19:45.49 | abrotman | file-exists-p: have you tried "donde<tab>" ? |
| 19:45.59 | file-exists-p | ~ find hello-2.2/ -type f | wc -l |
| 19:45.59 | file-exists-p | 195 |
| 19:45.59 | file-exists-p | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.00 | file-exists-p | :) |
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| 19:46.13 | dondelelcaro | file-exists-p: my nick is dondelelcaro (you might want to invest in nick completion) but regardless, no, there's no magic procedure to follow. |
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| 19:46.54 | file-exists-p | 200 files for hello, that's a lot |
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| 19:47.23 | dondelelcaro | file-exists-p: hello is much more than just a Debian package; it's a demonstration of how to package a Debian package, coupled with a demonstration of how to make a GNU package using autoconf, automake, various gnu libraries, etc. |
| 19:47.31 | dondelelcaro | file-exists-p: it's a fairly complex and complete example |
| 19:47.31 | file-exists-p | ouch |
| 19:47.34 | file-exists-p | ok |
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| 19:47.47 | greycat | Not quite what one expects from "hello world". |
| 19:47.54 | file-exists-p | I see |
| 19:48.33 | dondelelcaro | the actual "packaging" bits are about 5 files long for 351 lines |
| 19:48.41 | file-exists-p | okayyyy nobody here in the business of packaging nifty little applications? :/ |
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| 19:48.56 | dondelelcaro | (and they *could* be made even shorter using debhelper 7 or cdbs or similar) |
| 19:49.02 | greycat | most of us in this channel are Debian users, not developers |
| 19:49.15 | dondelelcaro | some of us are developers, though... |
| 19:49.30 | file-exists-p | greycat that's why I asked the question so that the not "most of" would raise their hands :) |
| 19:49.57 | file-exists-p | I currently have made an ugly binary package, but I feel gulty of too much uglyness |
| 19:50.02 | file-exists-p | guilty even |
| 19:50.12 | dondelelcaro | file-exists-p: have you read the new maintainer guide for starters? |
| 19:50.20 | greycat | I've never packaged anything from scratch. I've modified existing packages. |
| 19:50.21 | file-exists-p | "new" ? |
| 19:50.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell file-exists-p -about nm guide |
| 19:50.30 | DeSian | cahoot: the ptoblem i haven't this /dev/partition |
| 19:50.36 | dondelelcaro | err... crap; forgot that I was rebooting that machine |
| 19:50.40 | greycat | file-exists-p: that's "new maintainer guide", not new "maintainer guide" |
| 19:50.44 | DeSian | is mounted under /media |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | gah, I screwed up the quotes. |
| 19:50.49 | file-exists-p | letmecheck |
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| 19:51.03 | file-exists-p | hm, it is in my bookmarks ^^ |
| 19:51.11 | blackbeard2001 | weeeeeeee... traffic-shaping is so easy... when i just knew it earlier |
| 19:51.55 | blackbeard2001 | wondershaper works... and it works with an ongoing up-/download |
| 19:52.26 | cahoot | DeSian: mount | grep media will probably tell you what /dev/<partition> |
| 19:53.15 | blackbeard2001 | unfortunately trickle does not work with an ongoing download. |
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| 19:54.31 | greycat | Managing incoming packets is basically impossible unless you have a two-machine setup or similar. |
| 19:54.58 | greycat | The best you can hope for is to fail to respond to some of the incoming traffic and hope the sender slows down. |
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| 20:06.37 | pasky | Hi! Can I get latest wine on my squeeze without compiling it myself? |
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| 20:07.07 | quitte | pasky: yes. winehq has packages of the snapshots |
| 20:07.14 | quitte | pasky: even a repository |
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| 20:08.38 | pasky | but just for ubuntu - which of the apt repos should i pick for squeeze? |
| 20:09.17 | pasky | hmm, maybe jaunty |
| 20:09.22 | quitte | pasky: last time i checked there were debian packages |
| 20:09.42 | pasky | yes i just noticed :) |
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| 20:10.14 | quitte | i just looked and am now wondering how you could have missed it |
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| 20:13.06 | pasky | quitte: somehow google kept putting the ubuntu page on winehq in front of it and i skipped the indented results automatically :) |
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| 20:14.24 | quitte | hehe. after everybody has learned hot to use google the next step is to teach everybody when not to use google |
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| 20:16.02 | agaran | its another dangerous thing to use only google.. if for any reason google ommits something important many people will skip it |
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| 20:16.25 | OpenTokix | yeah, back to hot bot |
| 20:16.56 | quitte | also it's dangerous to search google for software. instead search the project and then see if they have download links. you wouldn't want to install from some random location |
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| 20:22.11 | quitte | i'd like to get stanford's karel the robot to work in eclipse so that I can start with their 106a course. right now I'm trying to update the package but I'm close to giving up. anybody got an idea how to get karol working with eclipse 3.2.2? |
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| 20:23.05 | e7th04sh | hi, i have creative usb webcam that comes with mic |
| 20:23.16 | e7th04sh | i wonder how can i use that mic to record |
| 20:23.51 | quitte | e7th04sh: how does lsusb identify the cam? |
| 20:24.10 | e7th04sh | quitte you are talking with linux a-bit-more-than-newbie :( |
| 20:24.12 | FabParma | what is the more stable burning package? |
| 20:24.30 | quitte | e7th04sh: install lsusb. run it. and paste the output in a pastebin |
| 20:24.41 | quitte | FabParma: wodim |
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| 20:24.57 | quitte | FabParma: or growisofs for dvds |
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| 20:25.10 | cahoot | e7th04sh: cat /proc/asound/cards - the cam's audo device being card0 or 1 or what? |
| 20:25.12 | FabParma | quitte: cd and dvd |
| 20:25.37 | e7th04sh | it seems to be 1 |
| 20:26.40 | FabParma | what is the more stable burning package for cd and dvd? |
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| 20:27.13 | cahoot | e7th04sh: aplay -L should list the name to use for arecord |
| 20:28.05 | cahoot | e7th04sh: also you might need run alsamixer -c1 to enable capture and set levels |
| 20:28.25 | e7th04sh | "no mixer elems found" |
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| 20:28.49 | e7th04sh | debian is free if your time is worthless :P |
| 20:29.19 | rasmylo_ | hello - what's the easiest way to update a sarge 3.1 box that is 2000km away? |
| 20:29.32 | jelly | e7th04sh: the other free. |
| 20:29.33 | rasmylo_ | i haven't used debian since 3.1 - so am a bit rusty. |
| 20:29.49 | e7th04sh | rasmylo_, FIRST build a precise catapult |
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| 20:31.02 | rasmylo_ | e7th04sh, not the answer i'm after - thanks for your prompt reply ya goose |
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| 20:32.07 | quitte_ | uff. my netbook survived falling from the table and the battery jumping out without any further damage. did i miss anything? |
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| 20:32.29 | greycat | It's #debian. No. |
| 20:32.36 | quitte_ | haha |
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| 20:35.00 | stew | rasmylo_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; then after it is running etch: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:35.23 | jelly | rasmylo_: do you have remote managed console access? :-) |
| 20:35.31 | rasmylo_ | stew, cheers. |
| 20:35.38 | rasmylo_ | jelly, no i have ssh.. |
| 20:35.44 | mjt | how about potato=>lenny? :) |
| 20:36.06 | rasmylo_ | what's the /msg there for? |
| 20:36.11 | jelly | rasmylo_: if it's already running a recent-ish 2.6 kernel, you might be able to pull it off |
| 20:36.17 | jelly | (without rebooting) |
| 20:36.29 | rasmylo_ | d'oh - 2.4.27 |
| 20:36.35 | stew | rasmylo_: type "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" into your irc client, and the bot named dpkg will reply with info |
| 20:36.44 | asg | rasmylo_: you type '/msg foo' and the bot will reply privately with the answer |
| 20:36.46 | stew | rasmylo_: you'll want to get it running 2.6.8-3 before starting |
| 20:36.53 | stew | foo isn't a bot |
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| 20:37.13 | asg | it bloody well should be |
| 20:38.39 | jelly | had 2.6.24 on a sarge machine, now it's an etch machine and if it weren't for php4-loving customer it would be lenny too. |
| 20:38.43 | rasmylo_ | sarge->etch says this: ask me about <etch release notes> - so what's teh command for that? |
| 20:38.53 | maligor | aarg, aargh, someone broke my banshee in sid :P |
| 20:38.57 | stew | rasmylo_: /msg dpkg etch release notes |
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| 20:39.11 | rasmylo_ | sweet, dpkg is the bot to ask :) |
| 20:39.37 | maligor | mm.. maybe I have partial mono upgrade which broke it since there seems to be lots of mono libs in kept back |
| 20:40.05 | rasmylo_ | jelly, nice to know... |
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| 20:41.26 | mib_khq0f2 | I'm installing Debian and apparently, I'm missing a firmware file called ipw22-bss.fw for a wireless card. |
| 20:42.09 | mib_khq0f2 | I want to make sure I get the right version... so where shall I get it from? |
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| 20:43.00 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 20:43.01 | dpkg | from memory, ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | there's a package for you! |
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| 20:52.30 | qwalk | Is this the linux help chat? |
| 20:52.44 | zleap | debian help yes |
| 20:53.11 | qwalk | Cool, |
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| 20:54.02 | abrotman | for Debian users |
| 20:54.20 | qwalk | qwalk /slap |
| 20:56.17 | qwalk | How to change the color of the nickname? I am using irssi |
| 20:56.27 | greycat | /join #irssi and ask them |
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| 20:56.46 | zleap | Not sure |
| 20:56.56 | qwalk | Okay. ^ |
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| 20:57.12 | zleap | uses xchat |
| 20:57.25 | hotdog003 | Hello. I have a problem. My server has a Dell Powervault 136T tape changer, but I can't use mtx on it because there aren't any /dev/sg* devices. It's listed in /proc/scsi/scsi, though. How might I make a /dev/sg* device? |
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| 20:59.25 | hotdog003 | /dev/changer is a symlink to /dev/st0, but I thought that was a normal tape device, not a tape changer. |
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| 20:59.33 | quitte | hotdog003: those should be auto generated if the module is loaded. it's scsi-generic. or maybe even just sg |
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| 21:00.45 | hotdog003 | FATAL: Module scsi_generic not found. (It also fails with just sg) |
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| 21:01.04 | neurobuntu | is it possible to list all packages that depend on a certain package? I want to install a custom version of package X can I list all packages that depend on X? |
| 21:01.06 | \amethyst | hotdog003: is this a custom kernel? |
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| 21:01.50 | adb | neurobuntu: on ubuntu ? |
| 21:01.59 | neurobuntu | adb, yes |
| 21:02.10 | quitte | sg is right. if this is indeed a custom kernel maybe you are missing multiple lun support |
| 21:02.20 | hotdog003 | No, it's from the debian repos. |
| 21:02.22 | neurobuntu | adb, I'm asking here because the debian channel tends to have more skilled users on this front |
| 21:02.49 | hotdog003 | We used to have a custom kernel, but not anymore. |
| 21:02.58 | quitte | has never seen a tape changer |
| 21:03.16 | adb | neurobuntu: why you think so ? |
| 21:03.22 | stew | hotdog003: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:03.30 | stew | neurobuntu: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:03.33 | hotdog003 | 2.6.26.2 |
| 21:03.39 | stew | hotdog003: that's a custom kernel |
| 21:03.44 | neurobuntu | stew, this isn't ubuntu specific help |
| 21:03.46 | qwalk | !CCNP |
| 21:03.51 | qwalk | !IPCOP |
| 21:03.51 | dpkg | somebody said ipcop was a RedHat based firewall disto, It is used to share an internet connection using old hardware. http://www.ipcop.org, or a fork of smoothwall by disillusioned developers, or ipcop is all Free Software, Smoothwall is not (there is a non-GPL commercial version). |
| 21:03.54 | stew | neurobuntu: this channel is debian specific |
| 21:04.08 | \amethyst | hotdog003: the module should be called 'sg', and it's in the debian kernel, but that's not a debian kernel (it would be 2.6.26-2-something) |
| 21:04.15 | neurobuntu | stew, ok... in debian is it possible to list all packages that depend on package-x? |
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| 21:04.24 | stew | neurobuntu: you are in the wrong channel |
| 21:04.30 | quitte | hmm #debian-based is empty :P |
| 21:04.50 | hotdog003 | Are you sure? We have the linux-image-2.6.26.2 package. |
| 21:04.51 | \amethyst | neurobuntu: man apt-cache |
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| 21:04.57 | guysoft22 | hi all, my system for some strange reason stopped swaping. is there some parameter that is in charge of that? |
| 21:04.58 | hotdog003 | Just dist-upgraded it today. |
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| 21:05.24 | \amethyst | hotdog003: what does apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26.2 say? |
| 21:05.31 | neurobuntu | stew, listen i'm not some ubuntu noob asking for install help. I'm trying to get help with the dpkg and apt, which are maintained by debian |
| 21:05.42 | neurobuntu | stew I fail to see how this isn't a relevant question for this channel |
| 21:05.45 | stew | neurobuntu: please don't argue the topic of this channel with me |
| 21:05.50 | qwalk | Would it be save to set up an IPCOP firewall and us it as router for an internetwork with servers? Or do you suggest using a router? |
| 21:06.01 | stew | neurobuntu: becuase this is for debian end-user support and you aren't using debian. this isn't really up for negotiation |
| 21:06.06 | neurobuntu | stew, is this channel for debian _users_ only? |
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| 21:06.43 | hotdog003 | Aha! It does say 'custom' in there, but I'll pastebin it. |
| 21:06.54 | hotdog003 | http://gist.github.com/119575 |
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| 21:07.21 | hotdog003 | Seems I was wrong after all. Terribly sorry. Will I have to build the sg driver as a module or something? |
| 21:07.25 | hans0lo | I''m having a problem with bind9 - I added a cname record to mydomain.com.db, reloaded, and now I can not do lookups on various popular domains (ie google.com, yahoo.com) but others work (digg.com, for example) -- I restored the mydomain.com.db from backup and restarted the service and still does the same thing. I'm using dig @localhost google.com to test it. Can someone provide some insight as to what is wrong? |
| 21:07.44 | __algol__ | can anyone here help me with the liveCD boot process and casper? |
| 21:08.21 | quitte | __algol__: no. this is #debian. live-helper uses live-initramfs for debian |
| 21:08.32 | \amethyst | hotdog003: if it's compiled in, it should work, too |
| 21:08.54 | abrotman | quitte: debian has a liveCD .. |
| 21:09.13 | __algol__ | isn't casper from debian? |
| 21:09.16 | quitte | abrotman: yes. but it doesnt use casper but live-initramfs |
| 21:09.28 | quitte | __algol__: nop thats what ubuntu uses |
| 21:09.36 | hotdog003 | Hmm. I'd rather not recompile my kernel, but if it's possible to build it as a module, that can work. Thanks. |
| 21:09.41 | \amethyst | casper is obsolete in Debian |
| 21:09.50 | \amethyst | it was in etch but is not in lenny |
| 21:10.37 | __algol__ | hmmm... that's why I can do something with pure:dyne live that I can't with xubuntu :) |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | fails to see the word 'debian' in there at all |
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| 21:11.04 | quitte | hotdog003: are you using udev? maybe you just have to create the device file |
| 21:11.48 | hotdog003 | quitte: Yes, we're using udev. Is it possible to create the device file without the scsi-generic driver? I thought it would create it automatically. |
| 21:12.03 | quitte | everybody's making sure that who's a ubunut user stays an ubuntu user today, huh? |
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| 21:12.41 | quitte | hotdog003: it is possible to create it without the driver. but it won't do much then |
| 21:13.01 | nkuttler | btw, does somebody know if it's policy not to compile kernel modules that need non-free firmware in the debian kernels? Or is it just prism54? |
| 21:13.21 | hotdog003 | True. I'll have to recompile the driver as a module or recompile the whole kernel, right? |
| 21:13.34 | quitte | hehe. right. what's the status of that discussion? :D |
| 21:13.36 | \amethyst | hotdog003: or install a debian kernel package |
| 21:13.55 | \amethyst | hotdog003: they look like linux-image-2.6.xy-z-subarchitecture |
| 21:14.19 | \amethyst | (if it supports your hardware) |
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| 21:14.32 | hotdog003 | I think I get it now. Thanks for all your help! I'll just compile the driver as a module and then fiddle with udev if it doesn't create it automatically. Ok. |
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| 21:16.53 | hans0lo | I guess nobody in here knows bind9? |
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| 21:17.42 | nkuttler | hans0lo: did you actually ask a question? |
| 21:18.06 | hans0lo | nkuttler: Yup, about 5 mins ago |
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| 21:18.20 | \amethyst | hans0lo: you might have more lock in #bind |
| 21:18.24 | \amethyst | hans0lo: luck |
| 21:18.34 | hans0lo | \amethyst: thanks, I'll try there |
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| 21:18.40 | \amethyst | hans0lo: though it's probably lower-traffic than this channel |
| 21:18.44 | stew | hans0lo: does your config explicitly allow or deny recursion? |
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| 21:20.13 | dtcrshr | hi there! anyone uses zynaddsubfx? |
| 21:20.24 | hans0lo | stew: Currently recursions is set to yes. I've tried it off also |
| 21:21.01 | hans0lo | stew: I even tried to specify a forwarder to a working DNS server at ym ISP with no luck |
| 21:22.51 | guysoft22 | can anyone give a guess why my system is not swapping? it lets the swap stay free until it crashes.. it seems to ignore vm.swappiness |
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| 21:26.14 | myeggo | someone know if there is a game like counter strike for linux? |
| 21:26.29 | guysoft22 | myeggo, try openareana |
| 21:26.41 | myeggo | is quake? |
| 21:26.44 | quitte | myeggo: cs has been working with wine for ages |
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| 21:26.59 | guysoft22 | myeggo, more or less.. its fun on the net |
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| 21:27.11 | quitte | myeggo: and yes. most, if not all id games work with linux |
| 21:27.21 | guysoft22 | myeggo, i think they also made alienarena |
| 21:27.32 | nkuttler | needs to play quake1 again |
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| 21:27.51 | myeggo | i have alien-arena already |
| 21:27.54 | guysoft22 | ... can someone at least help me with my swap problem? |
| 21:27.55 | myeggo | is fun |
| 21:28.13 | quitte | there really should be more egoshooters with a cooperative mission mode. loved that with doom and quake |
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| 21:28.39 | heavenquake | "egoshooters" sounds suicidal |
| 21:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | who sais it isn't |
| 21:28.57 | enouf | settles for an eggoshooter |
| 21:29.01 | intx | [ 2.969002] sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: disabled, -- it's for an intel MLC ZIF based SSD -- how do I enable write caching? |
| 21:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh.. ssd - can hdparm or sdparm do anything with it? |
| 21:29.57 | quitte | intx: does it even have cache? the cheap intel ssds don't |
| 21:30.29 | intx | quitte: i don't think it does internally, doesn't linux have it's own write cache that uses physical memory though? |
| 21:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ponders how you can disable something that isn't there but can't find a solution |
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| 21:30.58 | quitte | intx: yes. and that is not related to that message you pasted |
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| 21:31.02 | jelly-home | intx: Linux does, but that line refers to the device's |
| 21:31.24 | intx | how do I adjust linux's internal write cache? |
| 21:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | intx, yes, by default, if there's no 'sync' mountoption given |
| 21:31.54 | quitte | intx: is that an aspire one per chance? |
| 21:31.57 | intx | quitte: yeah |
| 21:32.21 | jelly-home | intx: there's a good number of tunables for vfs and ioscheduler. |
| 21:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yay! now, quitte care to give me next weeks lotto-numbers? |
| 21:32.42 | quitte | intx: got one myself. the ssd is fing slow. i'll just get a ocz sata ssd and solder that in. 90M read 30 M write speed |
| 21:32.56 | enouf | !8ball is quitte on the ball or what?! |
| 21:32.56 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 21:33.02 | intx | you can do that with the internal zif connector? |
| 21:33.03 | jelly-home | intx: whether you need to adjust any or not is a different question |
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| 21:33.38 | quitte | intx: no. but there are howtos on the net to add an esata port. |
| 21:33.41 | intx | hmm.. so I need to make a vfs ontop of the actual fs for me to control the write cache? |
| 21:34.11 | jelly-home | intx: no, vfs is part of Linux kernel. |
| 21:34.35 | quitte | intx: don't trust the ebay sellers telling you to buy the samsung ssd instead btw. it's just marginally faster |
| 21:34.39 | jelly-home | intx: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:35.09 | intx | well I've noticed there's a windows application available that basically increases the write cache size to the SSD, so it writes a huge chunk at once rather than several small writes |
| 21:35.20 | intx | increases performance dramatically.. I figure there has to be a way to do this under linux |
| 21:35.24 | jelly-home | intx: Linux does that by default. |
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| 21:35.52 | intx | I figured, but how do I increase the size of the write cache? |
| 21:36.03 | enouf | windows needs a separate application? |
| 21:36.14 | intx | yeah, third party driver |
| 21:36.25 | jelly-home | intx: why? when using an ext3 filesystem, writes go out every 5 seconds regardless |
| 21:36.26 | intx | and the value isn't changable |
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| 21:36.34 | intx | i'm using ext2 |
| 21:36.44 | quitte | intx: I went a rather drastical path. I'm using a live system now. that compressed read only filesystem really helps a lot with the io performance. it's actually usable now. a lot of work though. |
| 21:36.48 | jelly-home | intx: same thing |
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| 21:37.05 | intx | how do I disable that? |
| 21:37.12 | quitte | intx: wiki.debian.org has a page with tipps and tricks. search for "acer one" there |
| 21:37.49 | teratoma | what is the Ubuntu equivalent of sysv-rc-conf ? |
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| 21:38.14 | intx | jelly-home: any writes are really slaughtering the ssd's performance here |
| 21:38.31 | teratoma | nevermind |
| 21:38.32 | enouf | teratoma: ask #ubuntu? |
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| 21:38.47 | jelly-home | intx: a simple way of accessing many of the relevant kernel tunables is the laptop-mode-tools package |
| 21:38.58 | enouf | don't they use upsomething? |
| 21:39.00 | pickcoder | is the apache2 'example' module packaged somewhere |
| 21:39.07 | nkuttler | intx: and maybe the powertop docs |
| 21:39.08 | intx | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 21:39.41 | quitte | enouf: upstart. so far it's just a sysvinit compatible pos with a few extras that aren't used and change with every minor release |
| 21:39.45 | jelly-home | intx: (laptop mode only gets activated when on battery power by default though) |
| 21:39.45 | pickcoder | intx: if it's a corporate application you should check out MFT |
| 21:39.55 | pickcoder | laptop.. never mind |
| 21:39.59 | enouf | quitte: righto |
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| 21:43.47 | hesco | how do I determine the current run level on a machine? |
| 21:45.23 | hesco | or I guess determining the default run level would be helpful |
| 21:45.30 | quitte | 2 |
| 21:45.31 | nkuttler | hesco: man runlevel |
| 21:45.35 | hesco | I'm assuming its 2, but how do I |
| 21:45.38 | hesco | thanks, will do |
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| 21:46.04 | aaron_ | hey how can i see my video card information? |
| 21:46.13 | nkuttler | aaron_: lspci? |
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| 21:47.24 | dustybin | anybody had any experience with kde 4.3 ? |
| 21:47.37 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 21:47.38 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
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| 21:47.46 | abrotman | dustybin: you should know by now .. ask your real question |
| 21:48.04 | dustybin | is kde 4.3 good or shit ? |
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| 21:48.22 | azeem | dustybin: it's as good as the Grand Ol Party |
| 21:48.33 | dustybin | what the hell is that? |
| 21:48.34 | rysiek|pl | guys, need some help here |
| 21:48.40 | rysiek|pl | got those iptables rules: |
| 21:48.40 | rysiek|pl | http://pastebin.com/m6d2104f9 |
| 21:48.43 | penguin | I used the command cp -r dir/diir2/* . and it did not create new directories. |
| 21:48.58 | azeem | dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOP |
| 21:49.04 | rysiek|pl | but nothing lands in dmesg nor in syslog (grep biegacz /var/log/* gives nothing) |
| 21:49.11 | dustybin | ohh |
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| 21:49.32 | rysiek|pl | I am out of ideas by now |
| 21:49.41 | penguin | I thought recursive cp should create new directories? |
| 21:50.18 | azeem | penguin: how many subdirectories are in dir/diir/? |
| 21:50.18 | dec3pti0n | I'm trying to install postgresql-8.4 from the experimental source on an etch box but I keep on getting this "Package postgresql-8.4 has no installation candidate" |
| 21:50.24 | azeem | eh, diir2 |
| 21:50.28 | penguin | 3 |
| 21:50.31 | aaron_ | azeem, nope cp is to copy a file or directory |
| 21:50.41 | azeem | aaron_: ? |
| 21:51.41 | penguin | So it should create new directories? |
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| 21:52.13 | azeem | penguin: are those directories with a . at the beginning? |
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| 21:53.17 | penguin | It created the diirectories but did not put the files in them. |
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| 21:54.56 | azeem | penguin: do you have cp aliased to something? |
| 21:55.04 | azeem | what does "alias cp" sayÃ? |
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| 21:56.02 | themill | dec3pti0n: mixing experimental with etch is doomed to failure from the start |
| 21:56.03 | rektide | where can i find documentation on the wireless capabilities of /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:56.12 | themill | rektide: man 7 wireless |
| 21:56.26 | rektide | what is the 7th man? |
| 21:56.35 | rektide | i've never seen anything in seven, to my knowledge |
| 21:56.41 | rektide | ty, btw, thats exactly whta i was looking for |
| 21:56.45 | themill | rektide: man man ... :) |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | rektide: man man .. it explains the sections |
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| 21:57.39 | penguin | It looks like I goofed up the ftp download |
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| 21:57.41 | penguin | never mind |
| 21:58.04 | penguin | What is the ftp command to download files and all directories? |
| 21:58.07 | rektide | power to the miscellaneous pages! (7) |
| 21:58.15 | azeem | penguin: depends on the ftp client |
| 21:58.30 | penguin | I am using ftp |
| 21:58.30 | rupa | haha, svn suddenly starts working again for now reason |
| 21:58.38 | azeem | maybe it can't |
| 21:58.44 | azeem | check its documentaion |
| 21:58.51 | rupa | ok, back to my patch |
| 21:58.52 | epsilon | penguin: in lftp, mirror |
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| 21:59.10 | penguin | best I could find was mget |
| 21:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesco, also, mind that all runlevels on Debian are identical |
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| 21:59.33 | penguin | What is good ftp client? |
| 21:59.39 | agaran | lftp |
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| 21:59.50 | penguin | graphical? |
| 22:00.07 | dustybin | anybody here use squeeze as a desktop? |
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| 22:00.23 | dustybin | (that is my real question!) |
| 22:00.25 | themill | penguin: filezilla gets good reports |
| 22:00.34 | quitte | !poll |
| 22:00.34 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 22:01.17 | intx | I use Y. |
| 22:01.44 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: hesco well, 2-5 are the same as per defaults, 0,1,6,S certainly don't fall into that identical category :-P |
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| 22:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, I thought he'd find THAT out on his own :) |
| 22:02.29 | enouf | dustybin: in soviet russia Desktop squeezes you! |
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| 22:02.46 | rektide | i still cant find docs on wpa-driver or wpa-roam for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:02.56 | adama__ | dustybin: I use squeeze as a desktop, twice |
| 22:03.07 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 22:03.17 | dustybin | enouf: o_0 |
| 22:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama__, xnest! |
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| 22:03.46 | anigma | would debian work great as a standard webserver? |
| 22:03.56 | azeem | anigma: probably |
| 22:03.59 | rysiek|pl | anigma: better than great ;) |
| 22:04.00 | quitte | CutMeOwnThroat: i prefer xephyr |
| 22:04.01 | adama__ | anigma: of course |
| 22:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends who messes with it :) |
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| 22:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and how bad |
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| 22:09.22 | efaistos | hmmm ... deos anyone use xmodmap ? I need to map a key on a macbook to emulate the middle click to paste something ... I tried a xmodmap -e "keycode 104 = Pointer_Button2" but it doesnt really work :'( any ideae ? |
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| 22:11.36 | jvogel | hi |
| 22:11.46 | jvogel | I am running Debian on a dell latitude e6400 and i am unable to get sound... |
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| 22:12.03 | jvogel | anyone know stuff i can try? |
| 22:12.52 | Acido | if you type beep in shell does it beep |
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| 22:13.15 | jvogel | no |
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| 22:13.29 | jvogel | i think it has dedicated beep speaker |
| 22:13.33 | jvogel | its been beeping at me all over the place |
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| 22:13.41 | efaistos | nobody for xmodmap ? |
| 22:13.52 | Acido | cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 22:14.29 | jvogel | i dont have that |
| 22:14.32 | jvogel | file |
| 22:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | efaistos, can't you do something that looks like righ+left mouse button pressed on there? (then middle-mouse emulation would kick in) |
| 22:14.41 | adb | efaistos: using in same time left/right mouse get "paste" .. |
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| 22:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 22:15.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 22:15.28 | efaistos | CutMeOwnThroat: adb and dont want to use mouse ... |
| 22:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... I guess PC-speaker which does the beeps and alsa are 2 differerent things |
| 22:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb? |
| 22:16.12 | jvogel | ok let me look into some of those |
| 22:16.15 | jvogel | i have done most |
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| 22:16.32 | enouf | !bell |
| 22:16.33 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
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| 22:17.55 | e7th04sh | i'll be honest with you |
| 22:18.02 | e7th04sh | i prefer to format C from time to time |
| 22:18.22 | e7th04sh | than learn every bit of information to use debian efficiently and effortlessly |
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| 22:18.30 | e7th04sh | it's just uneconomical to learn it |
| 22:18.32 | Schuenemann | hi, what's the easiest way to install python 2.6? |
| 22:19.27 | jvogel | yeah youre right |
| 22:19.31 | jvogel | beep is going through headphones |
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| 22:20.45 | jvogel | but still no audio |
| 22:21.56 | ErikRose | I'm trying to do something ridiculous: add a custom repo (with distro "etch") to an Ubuntu sources.list. But aptitude says Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "my-package" when I try to install my-package from that repo. What silly thing am I doing? |
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| 22:22.34 | leOn | howdy |
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| 22:23.03 | leOn | anyone kows if it's possible to have gnome-terminal displaying the current command as window title |
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| 22:23.34 | leOn | i.e. .. if i'm running "less somefile.txt" have that as window title |
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| 22:23.45 | Acido | jvogel: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 22:23.48 | Acido | paste ur output |
| 22:23.51 | quitte | ErikRose: you are asking in the wrong channel |
| 22:24.01 | zuez | Where in the server installation is the option to configure a software RAID? |
| 22:24.21 | quitte | zuez: in the partitioning menu |
| 22:24.48 | zuez | hmm, maybe it didn't get presented to me because server 9.04 doesn't see my two SATA drives, only my boot disk |
| 22:24.52 | enouf | mdadm |
| 22:24.53 | jvogel | http://debian.pastebin.com/m66fe6dc6 |
| 22:24.56 | zuez | desktop version saw it though |
| 22:25.01 | zuez | enouf: yeah, the install didn't come with mdadm... |
| 22:25.09 | enouf | zuez: wrong channel |
| 22:25.10 | quitte | wtf? this is #debian, isn't it? |
| 22:25.18 | zuez | woops ;-) my bad heh |
| 22:26.13 | enouf | i was afraid that's what it was when i saw "server installation" |
| 22:26.31 | jvogel | haha |
| 22:26.53 | guysoft22 | um, may i ask again, can someone solve my swap question? |
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| 22:27.47 | quitte | unless anyone is bored enough to join me making patches apply to eclipse i'll jsut give up and drop a tarball in my filesystem |
| 22:27.56 | enouf | well i missed it - swap what? |
| 22:28.19 | ErikRose | quitte: I already asked in the right one; no dice. :-) |
| 22:28.56 | quitte | ErikRose: how about using the debian installer then and continue asking here? |
| 22:28.56 | enouf | !they can't help |
| 22:29.19 | streuner | they dont know? |
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| 22:29.39 | enouf | ahh.. yep ;-) |
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| 22:41.45 | SPF | how can I see what programs are using swap instead of memory? |
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| 22:49.12 | dkr | SPF: top has a swap field |
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| 22:51.35 | sepult | why does http-mehtod of apt use the bandwith to all of itself ? |
| 22:51.57 | quitte | hmm. is there a quick way to make a window always keep a distance from the pointer? |
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| 22:56.39 | schoppenhauer | hello. I am currently trying to install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. it has circular dependencies and is hence not installable, i think its the bug stated here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524456 - anyways, I cannot get the newest version which is said to be fixed (neither on ftp.de.debian.org, nor ftp.at.debian.org, nor ftp2.de.debian.org). how can i install the fixed package? |
| 22:58.11 | schoppenhauer | seems like the other package doesnt exist for i386. |
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| 23:00.12 | quitte | schoppenhauer: did you try searchin in experimental on packages.debian.org? |
| 23:00.25 | lindenle | Hi installing from usb and the installer says it cannot find the iso |
| 23:00.44 | lindenle | which is on the same partition as the installer? what is the problem (netinst.iso). |
| 23:00.45 | schoppenhauer | quitte: yes. there it sais that the newer version is only available vor amd64, armel, etc., but not for i386 |
| 23:00.56 | enouf | !incoming |
| 23:00.56 | dpkg | it has been said that incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
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| 23:01.20 | themill | schoppenhauer: you can always build it yourself |
| 23:01.38 | schoppenhauer | themill: ok... didnt think of that. i will try. |
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| 23:03.00 | quitte | what package contains the filter to put multiple pages on one sheet of paper? |
| 23:03.32 | themill | quitte: pdfnup or psnup is probably what you're looking for |
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| 23:05.09 | dkr | quitte: mpage |
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| 23:07.12 | quitte | thanks. ill try psutils first |
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| 23:28.32 | adama__ | !qotd0 |
| 23:28.32 | dpkg | <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 23:29.07 | streuner | !seen wols |
| 23:29.07 | dpkg | wols <i=klingens@p549DCB80.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 142d 2h 26m 49s ago, saying: 'thank you'. |
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| 23:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes, like... totally ... sense to me |
| 23:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, and pdfnup works better than psnup.... yammv |
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| 23:56.05 | quitte | CutMeOwnThroat: does pdfnup work from the gnome priniting dialog? |
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| 23:56.51 | quitte | i got it to print 2 pages on one sheet. but the option to print right to left doesn't work :( |
| 23:56.57 | Neil_ | does anybody have any thoughts on what I should do regarding drupal6 upgrades? I don't want to break debian [lenny] package management, but the web software is advising me to unpack a tarball in the directory |
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| 23:59.02 | quitte | hmm. psutils weren't even necessary. but could someone please try the print preview when printing odd pages right to left? it ignores the right to left part for me. |
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