| 00:00.11 | Lns | jpinx: it would be like copying part of your CD to explorer.exe |
| 00:00.19 | Lns | you overwrote what should have been there |
| 00:00.38 | jpinx | Lns: reboot? |
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| 00:00.51 | Lns | does debian do the whole udev dynamically created /dev thing? that's so new to me =) |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:01.16 | Lns | jpinx: yeah try rebooting |
| 00:01.21 | Lns | might recreate it for ya |
| 00:01.32 | jpinx | reboots |
| 00:01.46 | Lns | crazy udev =p |
| 00:02.33 | Lns | waves goodbye to all |
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| 00:07.27 | lymeca | I installed Debian Lenny via debootstrap, but booting fails and freezes after starting crond: http://pastebin.ca/1365566 |
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| 00:09.34 | pl4yer0ne | Cannot access hardware? that cant be good. |
| 00:09.42 | pl4yer0ne | hardware clock even |
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| 00:11.10 | jpinx | abrotman: what was all that about? I just rebooted and everything came back - even the dodgy usb stick. |
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| 00:12.50 | richo | hi, this might not be the right place to ask. I've got a debian gateway forwarding traffic using iptables. my network has two gateways, i want to forward all port 25 traffic to one gateway and everything else to the other. where do i start reading about this? i can't work out what to google. cheers |
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| 00:15.51 | binks | hiexit |
| 00:16.06 | binks | oops |
| 00:16.38 | binks | hi, im trying to find a easy graph application made in bash, i have 3 or 4 variables and i would like to create some sort of graph |
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| 00:16.53 | binks | i would appriciate any help i can get |
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| 00:18.31 | adb | binks: try #bash |
| 00:18.39 | jpinx | binks: not sure if sc can do graphs - it's spreadsheets frm the cmmandline |
| 00:18.42 | binks | adb: thank you |
| 00:18.46 | adb | np |
| 00:18.53 | binks | jpinx: i will check it out |
| 00:19.03 | daniel2 | Ok so I have a lexmark printer, in cups, when i try to print a test page, I get this: Unsupported format 'application/postscript'! |
| 00:19.07 | jpinx | binks: let me know ;) |
| 00:19.14 | daniel2 | What would I be missing? |
| 00:19.42 | aanderse | pl4yer0ne: thank you for ndiswrapper advice, i will try that |
| 00:19.57 | binks | daniel2: cups is voodoo magic |
| 00:20.01 | binks | good luck |
| 00:20.05 | daniel2 | heh |
| 00:20.18 | pipeline | that's really not too bad |
| 00:20.24 | pipeline | that just means you have cups radically mis-configured |
| 00:20.30 | pipeline | it's sending postscript to the printer |
| 00:20.38 | daniel2 | its set as what was set when i installed. |
| 00:20.38 | pipeline | the printer is unable to tell cups where to get fucked |
| 00:20.44 | pipeline | so it very politely tells you where to get off |
| 00:20.50 | daniel2 | heh |
| 00:20.54 | pipeline | daniel2: you don't have a postscript printer; you need to tell cups that. |
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| 00:21.09 | pipeline | daniel2: consider yourself fortunate - many printers will just blink a light or something to tell you when you fucked up. |
| 00:21.18 | daniel2 | so is that in cupsd.conf? |
| 00:21.28 | pipeline | daniel2: linuxprinters.org or linuxprinter.org or something lists various printers and what cups drivers work |
| 00:21.50 | pipeline | daniel2: I don't know. If you visit cups in a web browser (http://localhost:631) you can hit "add printer" and run through a wizard. |
| 00:21.59 | daniel2 | pipeline, openprinter? |
| 00:22.09 | pipeline | daniel2: alternatively, there's a python/GTK application that will configure a number of interesting setups to make really quirky printers work. |
| 00:22.17 | pipeline | daniel2: foomatic-gui, maybe ? |
| 00:22.19 | daniel2 | what is that application name? |
| 00:22.20 | daniel2 | ah |
| 00:22.28 | pipeline | just install foomatic-\* |
| 00:22.34 | Rienzilla | linuxprinting.org |
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| 00:22.45 | Rienzilla | lists support for pritners |
| 00:23.09 | pipeline | daniel2: try the cups web interface first, because foomatic is almost always going to find a sub-optimal way to get the job done |
| 00:23.16 | pipeline | daniel2: foomatic is there to help you with the truly perverse cases |
| 00:24.02 | zzattack2 | can I install a reasonably new version of vlc on stable without upgrading most of its dependencies to unstable? |
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| 00:24.29 | Rienzilla | zzattack2: maybe there is one in backports? |
| 00:24.48 | Rienzilla | although I doubt there are a lot of backports for lenny yet :) |
| 00:24.54 | zzattack2 | Rienzilla: I checked, it's not there :( |
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| 00:25.35 | jpinx | zzattack2: I use vlc and I haven't found any later version ready for stable |
| 00:25.48 | jpinx | but why do you want to go for a later version? |
| 00:26.42 | zzattack2 | jpinx: I really prefer the new qt gui, and there's a few streaming improvements that make for a much more stable vod server |
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| 00:27.31 | jpinx | zzattack2: well -- I don't know about the dependencies - you'd have to track them manually |
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| 00:34.07 | daniel2 | pipeline, Well, it has my printer name when I select my printer, but not in Model/Driver |
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| 00:34.21 | pipeline | daniel2: I don't understand. |
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| 00:34.36 | daniel2 | When I select "Device" |
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| 00:34.40 | daniel2 | It shows my printer. |
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| 00:34.48 | daniel2 | But not in the Driver section of the cups add printer |
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| 00:42.16 | zzattack2 | jpinx: if you care, I managed to install vlc 0.9.8a from backports, debian-multimedia and a dutch repository named sipo. |
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| 00:43.06 | jpinx | zzattack2: cool - is it much better? |
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| 00:43.47 | zzattack2 | let me find out. I'll reboot first though as I just finished compiling 2.6.28.8. |
| 00:44.11 | jpinx | zzattack2: ok |
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| 00:48.53 | zzattack2 | jpinx: runs great here |
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| 00:50.11 | jpinx | zzattack2: a real difference - or just eye candy? |
| 00:50.33 | zzattack2 | well, its an upgdate from 0.8.6 to 0.9.8 |
| 00:50.54 | zzattack2 | http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/NEWS |
| 00:52.27 | jpinx | cool - thanks for doing the dirty work. What did you do about dependencies? |
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| 00:53.48 | richo_ | thanks guys, i sorted it on my own |
| 00:53.50 | richo_ | have a good one |
| 00:55.03 | zzattack2 | jpinx: http://rafb.net/p/PcwG4B96.html |
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| 00:57.56 | jpinx | cool job zzattack2 |
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| 00:58.28 | KC | does debian have anything equivient to vista's snip tool? |
| 00:59.02 | merlincorey | KC: explain what snip does |
| 00:59.16 | merlincorey | KC: because I don't know about the rest of these folks, but I've never used Vista (honestly) |
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| 01:00.23 | KC | Screenshot program, that bypasses screwing around with the clipboard and comes with basic image tools (crops, rotates etc) |
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| 01:00.48 | KC | disabled by defualt in vista... not sure why, its a cool tool |
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| 01:01.37 | prahal | KC, press print button on the keyboard . Then you can edit in your favorite image editor |
| 01:01.49 | KC | uh, yeah |
| 01:01.54 | KC | thats a pain in the ass |
| 01:01.59 | comradekingu | KC: You could try the Kde screenshot program (ksnapshot), im sure it has all sorts of features |
| 01:02.11 | prahal | print button enable to preview and has a few features (not like the old dos print) |
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| 01:02.47 | prahal | KC, yup that was the gnome answer (gnome split tools more heavely than kde that works with kparts/plugins a lot) |
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| 01:03.50 | merlincorey | KC: I use "scrot" which lets me set up on commandline with delay and other options, then I edit in favorite editor |
| 01:04.01 | jpinx | KC - I'm pretty sure there are specific screenshot packages |
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| 01:04.29 | merlincorey | there's lots, we just named some :P |
| 01:04.30 | KC | ksnapshot works pretty well |
| 01:04.31 | KC | thanks |
| 01:06.13 | prahal | you also have options (delay, select window) that you can enable via gconf-editor apps>gnome-screensaver |
| 01:06.32 | prahal | though no editor integrated on the gnome side |
| 01:06.49 | jetscreamer | what do i need to do to get wireless working, besides install wireless-tools |
| 01:07.10 | jetscreamer | gimp |
| 01:07.17 | ajavid | huh |
| 01:07.28 | ajavid | wireless tools and gimp? |
| 01:07.31 | jetscreamer | no i wasn't calling you a gimp |
| 01:07.34 | ajavid | oh |
| 01:07.42 | ajavid | you didn't even know I was here |
| 01:07.42 | adb | !wifi |
| 01:07.42 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 01:07.46 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 01:07.47 | ajavid | :) |
| 01:07.48 | jetscreamer | i was saying 'gimp IS the gnome integration) |
| 01:07.54 | ajavid | oh |
| 01:07.55 | prahal | jetscreamer, if you can scan (that is you have a driver working) try network-manager |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | there is a gnome screenshot applet IIRC |
| 01:08.11 | jetscreamer | checks |
| 01:08.24 | ajavid | I like scrot |
| 01:08.35 | ajavid | scrot blah.png takes a full desktop ss |
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| 01:08.55 | here4thegear | I have sort of a permissions question. /var/www right now belongs to root:root so, my regular user who is mike:mike can't do anything at all in there besides see what's in it. But I need that user to be able to do things. If I create a group (users for instance) and put mike in that group and chown www to root:users will that give mike permission to add files and directories? |
| 01:09.09 | prahal | if you don't need to switch network ... you can use gnome-system-tools network-admin |
| 01:10.22 | here4thegear | and as an aside from that, is there a way that I can default all new users to be part of the users group? |
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| 01:10.31 | prahal | here4thegear, you should use /srv for sites . But yes chgrp (not chown) and adding the user to the group (need logout/login to enable change) it will do |
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| 01:11.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.40 | jetscreamer | how do i test if the module is loaded? |
| 01:11.40 | here4thegear | prahal: oh? that's weird... when I installed apache2 all the default stuff was /var/www |
| 01:11.43 | prahal | here4thegear, yes there is (ubuntu does it so ...) only I don't know how to |
| 01:11.51 | jetscreamer | probably is but |
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| 01:12.29 | jetscreamer | it wouldn't be wlan0 if it wasn't eh |
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| 01:13.19 | jetscreamer | that's the other reason, ajavid ... wireless but no clue |
| 01:13.22 | prahal | here4thegear, static stuff goes in /var/www , /srv is for dynamic sites (most of them). More in LSB (last time I read about it /srv was a draft specification ... though it has been added by installer for years so ... |
| 01:13.31 | jetscreamer | windows & wireless, but no linux |
| 01:13.47 | adb | zzattack: hm , thats only amd64 |
| 01:14.13 | prahal | jetscreamer, lsmod |grep rt61pci ... if you still cannot scan (iwlist ra0 scan) check you have the fiirmware package installed |
| 01:14.46 | prahal | oh this is wlan0 thus iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 01:15.35 | jetscreamer | rt2x00pci 7648 1 rt61pci so that's good |
| 01:15.41 | here4thegear | prahal: thanks for that information. I may do that. is the following information correct or would there be more that I would need to do? All I really need to do in order to accomplish that would be to copy /var/www over to /srv and then edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default so that root dirs all point to /srv/www |
| 01:15.52 | prahal | jetscreamer, that is good except if you miss the firmware . can you scan |
| 01:15.55 | jetscreamer | wlan0 No scan results |
| 01:15.56 | sylar | how to suspend? |
| 01:16.08 | here4thegear | and of course, restart the apache server. |
| 01:16.13 | merlincorey | here4thegear: you should NOT be editing sites-available/default, but rather copying it and changing and enabling as needed :) |
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| 01:16.21 | jetscreamer | so i need firmware? |
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| 01:16.23 | merlincorey | here4thegear: just a suggestion for future so you can easily move vhosts around |
| 01:16.29 | jetscreamer | i can do firmware |
| 01:16.32 | prahal | here4thegear, copy only your sites directories . The standard apache2 stuff should stay under /var/www (as it is static) |
| 01:16.32 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: is the interface up? |
| 01:16.34 | merlincorey | jetscreamer: yeah usually it goes in /lib/firmware or so |
| 01:17.00 | jetscreamer | no my /etc/network/interfaces was generated with eth0 only |
| 01:17.06 | prahal | so keep the default virtualhost to /var/www . Only use /srv for your own site |
| 01:17.37 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: it won't see any packets/APs if it's not up |
| 01:17.39 | jetscreamer | so ifup wlan0 auto then try scan? or i probably need firmware |
| 01:17.50 | jetscreamer | or ifup wlan0 rather |
| 01:18.01 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 01:18.36 | jetscreamer | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied jetx:~ > sudo ifconfig wlan0 up SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.37 | prahal | jetscreamer, yes . firmware-ralink seems the right one |
| 01:18.38 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: an iwlist wlan0 scan shouldthen return valid results |
| 01:18.50 | daniel2 | Im having a serious issue of bash locking up and using 100% cpu to do simple things such as "cd Desktop" |
| 01:19.02 | daniel2 | And I cant ctrl + c, I have to kill bash altogether |
| 01:19.17 | daniel2 | This only happens as a normal user, not root. |
| 01:19.46 | sylar | how to suspend from cli? |
| 01:19.54 | here4thegear | merlincorey: and prahal thank you both for such wonderful information :) it's great to have people that know what they are doing. I wasn't so sure that I could do all of this when I first decided to start unmanaged hosting. |
| 01:20.01 | jetscreamer | uswap package or so, sylar.. all i know |
| 01:20.04 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 01:20.14 | jetscreamer | !suspend |
| 01:20.14 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to ram. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny) . There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting>. |
| 01:20.19 | prahal | daniel2, could you open another terminal and strace -p <pid of crashing bash> ? |
| 01:20.24 | merlincorey | here4thegear: you're welcome and good luck |
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| 01:20.39 | jetscreamer | thanks prahal and p0g0 btw |
| 01:21.11 | prahal | sylar, echo "mem" > /sys/power/state or s2ram (if you know the quircks needed). |
| 01:21.14 | daniel2 | Oh of course it doesnt wanna do it now. |
| 01:21.32 | here4thegear | oh, wait, what command do I use to create a group? |
| 01:21.45 | merlincorey | groupadd |
| 01:21.54 | merlincorey | or addgroup |
| 01:22.03 | jetscreamer | brb |
| 01:22.06 | here4thegear | oh sweet... is there a grouplist? |
| 01:22.09 | merlincorey | I think generally the "add*" are wrappers around the older *add programs |
| 01:22.14 | daniel2 | prahal, Now its doing an endless list of segfaults |
| 01:22.16 | merlincorey | here4thegear: /etc/groups or so |
| 01:22.25 | merlincorey | here4thegear: properly I think you should be using addgroup |
| 01:22.36 | prahal | sorry I don't know how one could do an interface up on a device without firmware loaded (that is beyond my understanding of the universe) |
| 01:23.03 | merlincorey | wifi devices are kinda special |
| 01:23.06 | prahal | daniel2, bash 4 ? |
| 01:23.10 | merlincorey | (not that that explains it, just saying they are) |
| 01:23.11 | daniel2 | prahal, http://pastebin.com/m1dce5452 |
| 01:23.12 | daniel2 | Yes. |
| 01:23.15 | merlincorey | (in every sense of the word!) |
| 01:23.36 | sylar | prahal, o dman, that isn't s3... |
| 01:23.47 | p0g0 | prahal: I agree, my question is how the card could even get ID's and assigned the IF if it needed firmware-but I may be Just Ignorant. |
| 01:23.51 | daniel2 | prahal, GNU bash, version 4.0.0(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 01:24.08 | here4thegear | merlincorey: sweet, I'll use that, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a group already in existance that I should be adding my user to. |
| 01:24.24 | here4thegear | there is a 'staff' group. |
| 01:24.53 | here4thegear | nah, I'll just make a users group. |
| 01:25.44 | daniel2 | prahal, Ill downgrade, and see if that works |
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| 01:26.54 | gewt | . |
| 01:26.56 | prahal | daniel2, yup that should fix . I also had a lot of crashes with 4 in debian (cd to a dir while completion was happening . typing the cd directory without completion worked though |
| 01:27.04 | prahal | under i686 |
| 01:27.16 | daniel2 | prahal, Ya i had completion issues as well |
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| 01:28.36 | prahal | btw the issue disappeared ... so it could well be that the libc had to be "reloaded" for bash 4 to work (though it was automatic but then why does it works now when bash 4 had no changes in the mean time except reboot) |
| 01:29.01 | prahal | but libc 6 had a lot of changes though so it could well be it |
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| 01:30.24 | sshc | how do I switch to the dvorak keyboard layout? |
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| 01:31.26 | jetscreamer | wtf ? main libc6-xen 2.9-6 [1237kB] |
| 01:31.28 | daniel2 | prahal, That seemed to fix my issue :) |
| 01:31.33 | daniel2 | Now I need to fix my printer issues. |
| 01:31.37 | daniel2 | Stupid Lexmark 2600 Series. |
| 01:31.45 | jetscreamer | why the hell am i getting xen libc6 |
| 01:31.48 | daniel2 | OpenPrinting.org says it works perfectly. |
| 01:31.53 | daniel2 | But there is no drivers for it in cups. |
| 01:31.53 | jetscreamer | in addition to the others |
| 01:32.24 | jetscreamer | lexmark has some on their site, not sure if there's one for you |
| 01:32.27 | johndoe | do ubuntu and debian have compatible .deb packages? |
| 01:32.32 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:32.35 | daniel2 | jetscreamer, Not for X2600 and Debian 5.0 |
| 01:32.36 | johndoe | bah |
| 01:32.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:32.42 | daniel2 | There downloads are broken |
| 01:32.46 | johndoe | :) |
| 01:32.51 | daniel2 | They have it for Debian 4.0 |
| 01:33.09 | daniel2 | But it doesnt like my system being amd64, even though I have 32bit libraries and stuff |
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| 01:33.58 | prahal | sshc, with evdev ? |
| 01:33.58 | jetscreamer | i just print to the windows network printserver here (old laptop i had laying around) |
| 01:34.06 | jetscreamer | sounds better the first way though |
| 01:34.29 | daniel2 | Is there a way to emulate the x86 environment? |
| 01:35.20 | jetscreamer | is still apt-getting the firmware and other stuff |
| 01:35.30 | jetscreamer | !emulation |
| 01:35.35 | jetscreamer | !emulate |
| 01:35.38 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 01:35.50 | jetscreamer | xen |
| 01:35.55 | daniel2 | !emulate |
| 01:35.57 | daniel2 | lol |
| 01:36.04 | jetscreamer | !xen |
| 01:36.04 | dpkg | i guess xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 01:36.25 | daniel2 | I dont want to install a whole new copy of debian. |
| 01:36.51 | prahal | daniel2, lexmark support for linux is shit . Their development kit is closed source and broken with newer kernel / distros (and no more on their sites either) . That explain the poor integration nowadays |
| 01:37.12 | daniel2 | Theres gotta be a way. |
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| 01:37.29 | jetscreamer | oh. once i get the firmware in place, do i need to modprobe -r && modprobe? |
| 01:37.41 | jetscreamer | or will it 'just work'(tm) |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | remove and re modprobe |
| 01:38.08 | jetscreamer | ah thanks |
| 01:38.19 | abrotman | when the driver loads, firmware must be there |
| 01:38.43 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 01:40.03 | prahal | daniel2, sure there are ways ... though I wonder if it is worth it (regarding the price of a new printer and the time it takes to have a lexmark working "for a long time" . That is if you mind upgrading cups/sane/libc/kernel ... you ll have to work again on the lexmark side of things .... |
| 01:40.17 | daniel2 | prahal, I just bought this printer a week ago... |
| 01:40.21 | daniel2 | For 50 bucks, cause im poor. |
| 01:40.29 | prahal | so you still have time to give it back ! |
| 01:40.36 | daniel2 | It was on sale at the PX. |
| 01:40.37 | daniel2 | Hah |
| 01:40.45 | daniel2 | AAFES has a very strict return policy. |
| 01:40.47 | jetscreamer | wpasupplicant suggests libengine-pkcs11-openssl ... afaik i don't need it, but what do i know.. do i? |
| 01:41.28 | jetscreamer | i bought my z611 for 29.95 at walmart |
| 01:41.29 | p0g0 | daniel2: lexmark ink is more expensive than anyone's, they design their printheads to fail...not worth a bucket of warm anything. |
| 01:41.36 | jetscreamer | ink costs more yeah :) |
| 01:41.37 | daniel2 | sighs |
| 01:41.48 | daniel2 | I didnt ask for personal opinions and bashing of the product I bought. |
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| 01:42.01 | daniel2 | Ill continue to google. |
| 01:42.09 | jetscreamer | and there was something about lexmark making 3rd party print cartriges fail |
| 01:42.22 | jetscreamer | hey i'm not bashin, i have a lexmark |
| 01:42.39 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: yep, a drm and suing anyone that tried to reverse engineer them, but they lost that suit. |
| 01:42.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:42.49 | daniel2 | jetscreamer, I wasnt talking about you. |
| 01:42.54 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:43.08 | jetscreamer | the linux support always did suck though, imo |
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| 01:43.32 | p0g0 | daniel2: fwiw, my dad was a directro of research for the IBM division that was spun off to make Lexmark- I've followed their progress for a long time... |
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| 01:43.59 | DynamicPink | Problem with Adept. I am getting an error "adept: cannot connect to X server" |
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| 01:44.13 | GinoManLinux | question: I'm building the latest kernel.org kernel but I'm installing it via apt... now, does that also install a kernel source tree into /usr/src/linux/ so that if I want to write modules and compile them for the current running kernel, that I can? |
| 01:44.41 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 01:44.52 | GinoManLinux | DynamicPink: are you running it from the terminal? |
| 01:44.55 | jetscreamer | you put your packages on a repository? |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | GinoManLinux: how are you compiling it? |
| 01:45.08 | DynamicPink | GinoManLinux, no, I have it on the K Menu |
| 01:45.13 | prahal | ah ... then it is worth the workload ... I would try the ubuntu package . It should work if you install all the obsolete dependencies and if anybody took the time to workaround all the issues with the newer kernels ... places for the cups stuff is pretty standard ... and the lexmarks stuff goes in non standard places anyway so the ubuntu package should not be far from working state. and as thee dependencies are damn old they should ei |
| 01:45.13 | prahal | ther work with debian or the packages have been removed because obsolete and you couldd find them in snapshot.debian.net |
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| 01:45.34 | GinoManLinux | try using the run command in the menu and typing "kdesu adept_installer" |
| 01:45.35 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets for the possible options, iirc |
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| 01:45.46 | GinoManLinux | hold on |
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| 01:45.58 | abrotman | GinoManLinux: are you using make-kpkg or something else? |
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| 01:46.05 | GinoManLinux | I think so |
| 01:46.12 | GinoManLinux | lemme check real quick |
| 01:46.23 | jetscreamer | define 'installing via apt' |
| 01:46.34 | GinoManLinux | making a deb package out of it |
| 01:46.41 | GinoManLinux | so I guess rather, I'm using dpkg |
| 01:46.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:47.04 | GinoManLinux | but to make the package, I have to check what program I'm using... just a moment please |
| 01:47.05 | jetscreamer | it magically finds your source after you compile it, and install your kernel |
| 01:47.13 | jetscreamer | (seriously) |
| 01:47.28 | jetscreamer | not magic, but i don't know how it does, but things just find it |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | GinoManLinux: if you use make-kpkg there is an option to create a linux-source package |
| 01:48.15 | jetscreamer | things==when i compile stuff |
| 01:48.23 | jetscreamer | other stuff |
| 01:49.14 | jetscreamer | if you want it on a differnet computer, you'll need to do what abrotman is saying (i think, i'm rusty take it with salt) |
| 01:49.14 | prahal | btw I have a lexmarks too (a dell branded one) .... I have to develop the driver against the devel kit ... I stopped half way because well I am going deeper and deeper in kernel space and it takes ages to port everything to newer kernels (for what it s worth the api looks ok but the implementation of the open source layer was already way obsolete when they released it in 2001 ... and no work on their side from then |
| 01:49.29 | GinoManLinux | yes, I'm using make-kpkg |
| 01:49.45 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets then |
| 01:49.54 | jetscreamer | and it will give you the options |
| 01:49.58 | prahal | so I cannot print for 4 monthes ... it make me a great friend of cups-pdf :) |
| 01:50.09 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg or was it kernel-img also |
| 01:51.42 | DynamicPink | Didn't work GinoManLinux , but thanks for the help. I have to get going. |
| 01:51.48 | jetscreamer | ppl want me to print stuff more than i want to |
| 01:52.10 | jetscreamer | they even bought me ink |
| 01:52.15 | jetscreamer | i have yet to put it in |
| 01:52.24 | GinoManLinux | I'll man it... thanks... My othher question is I was evil... and I installed the fglrx proprietary ati driver.... will I have to recompile that module or will it do it automatically? |
| 01:52.42 | jetscreamer | every xorg upgrade or kernel upgrade you will |
| 01:52.56 | GinoManLinux | I installed it from the ATI website. |
| 01:53.06 | jetscreamer | every xorg upgrade or kernel upgrade you will have to redo the vid driver |
| 01:53.10 | jetscreamer | i do the same, but nvidia |
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| 01:53.31 | prahal | what s funny is those lexmark cartridge you buy from dell for dell branded lexmark do not even work :-/ fun |
| 01:53.44 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:54.13 | daniel2 | Im gonna chroot into a 32bit environment :) |
| 01:54.20 | jetscreamer | might work |
| 01:54.28 | jetscreamer | (no idea i'm lame) |
| 01:54.38 | jetscreamer | s/idea/idea,/ |
| 01:54.47 | daniel2 | If it works, id probably only be able to use the driver in the chrooted environment though. |
| 01:54.58 | jetscreamer | makes sense |
| 01:55.12 | daniel2 | Or maybe copy the files, cause the only reason the installer fails is because it reads the system as amd64 and not X86 |
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| 01:55.47 | jetscreamer | google fooling it to think it's x86 |
| 01:55.56 | jetscreamer | but better search terms |
| 01:56.23 | jetscreamer | hell yo ucould do it in windows, so surely you can in linux |
| 01:57.21 | jetscreamer | would wine work for that? |
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| 01:57.45 | Gnurdux | hey, is gmail slow for anyone else? |
| 01:57.53 | prahal | wine uses cups |
| 01:57.58 | jester45 | nope |
| 01:58.01 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:58.29 | jetscreamer | i don't print anymore, i just post it on the web |
| 01:59.09 | jetscreamer | wpasupplicant suggests libengine-pkcs11-openssl ... afaik i don't need it, but what do i know.. do i? |
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| 02:00.46 | jetscreamer | gets it anyway |
| 02:00.54 | prahal | what I don't understand is that lexmark is well supported under mac ... which also uses cups ... . So it must be a really thin layer (the protocol) that we miss . |
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| 02:05.19 | jetscreamer | Do you want to upgrade glibc now?.. gee i guess |
| 02:05.22 | prahal | jetscreamer, I do not install it on my side . everything is fine |
| 02:05.23 | stack | what could be if a host does not accept route advertisment (ipv6 autoconfiguration) packets? in the sense that it does not get an ipv6, but with tcpdump I see the advertisments arriving ( they come from a fe80:2ff:cbff:fe82:c648 addrress) (the host is not a router) |
| 02:07.14 | gauge | odd question. When I type "ifconfig wlan0 up" why does debian return with "No such file or directory found"? |
| 02:07.33 | deever | what's the easiest way to retrieve all packges' metadata and changes on update? |
| 02:08.15 | jetscreamer | guesses firmware, gauge |
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| 02:08.49 | jester45 | gauge, are you sure you have a wlan0? |
| 02:08.55 | magyar | need help to figure out why iceweasel keeps crashing |
| 02:09.26 | prahal | magyar, do you have fonts in ~/.fonts ? |
| 02:09.48 | gauge | Whne itype "ifconfig -a" I get lo, wlan0, and wmaster0. |
| 02:09.50 | prahal | I mean any fonts not coming from debian |
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| 02:10.06 | gauge | oh and iwconfig reports wlan0 as well. |
| 02:10.08 | jetscreamer | magyar: try mv'ing your ~/.firefox or .mozilla or whatever it is and see if it still does it |
| 02:10.17 | magyar | prahal: nope |
| 02:10.31 | gauge | its a usb wireless card though, ralink if I recall right. |
| 02:10.40 | magyar | jetscreamer: i did and still crashing |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | try safe mode |
| 02:11.00 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 02:11.01 | prahal | gauge, can you scan ? iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 02:11.03 | prahal | as root |
| 02:11.10 | gauge | yup, lsusb reports a ralink wireless adapter on bus 001,device 002 |
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| 02:11.22 | magyar | abrotman: tried that too |
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| 02:11.44 | jetscreamer | doesn't say konqueror |
| 02:11.47 | gauge | "wlan0 doesn't suport scanning, wlan0 is down" |
| 02:11.57 | xanne | Does anyone know of a decent benchmark for 3d graphics |
| 02:11.58 | jetscreamer | i'm not in love with it but it's interesting |
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| 02:12.17 | magyar | jetscreamer: no plugins |
| 02:12.19 | prahal | gauge, and dmesg tell you nothing about wlan0 ? |
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| 02:13.03 | gauge | wow |
| 02:13.06 | prahal | magyar, so it could well be fonts ... try with LC_ALL=C iceweasel from terminal |
| 02:13.20 | gauge | I just got 3pages of errors. |
| 02:13.40 | prahal | gauge, try to find the first ones |
| 02:13.46 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 02:13.55 | gauge | firmware: requesting rt73.bin |
| 02:13.55 | gauge | Error request to find firmware |
| 02:14.04 | gauge | mostly just that. |
| 02:14.29 | GinoManLinux | (I prolly should write a script to take care of that for me.) |
| 02:14.32 | prahal | gauge, try installing firmware-ralink, then modprobe -r <your driver>; modprobe <your_driver> |
| 02:15.04 | magyar | prahal: that seems to work, what could be with my fonts? |
| 02:15.06 | GinoManLinux | loves how everyone uses sed commands to edit their own comments |
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| 02:16.12 | gauge | ...can I apt-get that firmware? |
| 02:16.29 | jetscreamer | wmaster0 unknown hardware address type 801 (or so) |
| 02:16.37 | daniel2 | hrm |
| 02:16.39 | jetscreamer | it's in non-free |
| 02:16.41 | daniel2 | I extracted the installer. |
| 02:16.47 | daniel2 | And manually installed the driver. |
| 02:16.51 | daniel2 | Now to see if it works. |
| 02:17.43 | jetscreamer | i stil get wlan0 No scan results |
| 02:17.48 | prahal | magyar, iceweasel crash on any error in the font files ... I had the problem with tahoma (pretty common font to say the least) . I don't know where the bug lays as I have not even reported it yet . You could try finding the font that breaks it ( one need to move them one by one or all of them and adding them back by bunch to find out which one is at fault ... then report the bug to debian (or install the official firefox , reproduce a |
| 02:17.49 | prahal | nd report to mozilla |
| 02:18.06 | jetscreamer | but no error when i brought wlan0 up |
| 02:18.09 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: is it configured as managed (station mode)? |
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| 02:18.22 | jetscreamer | i have no idea what that means |
| 02:18.39 | prahal | jetscreamer, iwconfig . top right corner |
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| 02:18.47 | prahal | of the output |
| 02:18.48 | funyun | does anyone know how to convert pal to ntsc on linux? |
| 02:18.55 | jetscreamer | mencoder yes |
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| 02:19.14 | jetscreamer | you go from 25fps to 29.997 |
| 02:19.47 | magyar | prahal: so what in essence "LC_ALL=C" do ? |
| 02:20.01 | jetscreamer | funyun: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
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| 02:20.33 | jetscreamer | wmaster0 no wireless extensions. ? |
| 02:20.43 | prahal | magyar, it set all the locale options (language, numeric,etc) to "posix". Which is american english without any extra |
| 02:20.52 | jetscreamer | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 02:20.56 | gauge | oi, ralink. drivers. ...apt-get? |
| 02:21.02 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:21.08 | jetscreamer | firmware-ralink |
| 02:21.13 | jetscreamer | in non-free |
| 02:21.14 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: it's the basic 802.11 stuff- Access Points vs managed stations vs adhoc vs monitor vs ahdemo <- all modes for a wireless nic, each doing very different things. Only Managed stations can attach to a an access point (what the scan reports are observed access points) |
| 02:21.25 | prahal | funyun, or install winff . Cool frontend to mencoder |
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| 02:21.50 | subsume | Can someone help me understand what this means? http://dpaste.com/16766/ |
| 02:21.56 | jetscreamer | i'm wirelessly handicapped |
| 02:21.59 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 02:22.03 | jetscreamer | well |
| 02:22.10 | jetscreamer | some thing |
| 02:22.11 | jetscreamer | s |
| 02:22.20 | gauge | sorry, first time debian user here. does that mean I'd use aptitude to install "firmware-ralink", or apt-get? what's the command my man? |
| 02:22.33 | prahal | jetscreamer, you could try network-admin from gnome-system-tools |
| 02:22.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.39 | jetscreamer | that? |
| 02:22.44 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: what are you trying to do? Connect your machine wirelessly to a wireless router? |
| 02:22.45 | deever | what's the easiest way to retrieve all packges' metadata and changes on update? |
| 02:22.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:22.50 | prahal | gauge, aptiitude is the recommanded tool |
| 02:22.51 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: yes |
| 02:22.55 | jetscreamer | top left |
| 02:22.59 | jetscreamer | not right :) |
| 02:23.01 | prahal | oups aptitude |
| 02:23.02 | gauge | wicked. |
| 02:23.18 | unitxt | If I am using CentOS and I'd like to try and replace it with Debian is there anyways I can install Debain and still keep all of what I have on my CentOS "set up". For example, my current version of Perl, apps I use...etc...I have to start over with clean install, don't I? |
| 02:23.23 | jetscreamer | but ok now what, paste the output of iwconfig? |
| 02:23.32 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: you need to have your wireless nic set as a managed station, assign it's ssid and bring it ip |
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| 02:23.38 | funyun | jetscreamer: i dont see how do i convert pal to ntsc from there? |
| 02:23.42 | p0g0 | *up |
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| 02:24.26 | prahal | funyun, try winff (from debian multimedia) . It has profile prebuild for a lot of conversion uses |
| 02:24.27 | jetscreamer | funyun: extrapolate from here: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd-all |
| 02:24.37 | jetscreamer | or what prahal said.. use a front end |
| 02:24.46 | jetscreamer | i just never found one before |
| 02:24.51 | jetscreamer | i like avidemux also |
| 02:24.55 | jetscreamer | it's easy |
| 02:25.03 | jetscreamer | gui too |
| 02:25.07 | jetscreamer | works well |
| 02:25.14 | magyar | prahal: is there a way to set these in IW as permanent? |
| 02:25.15 | jetscreamer | i've never seen winff |
| 02:25.16 | funyun | prahal: i'm a noob, how do i get that? i tried aptitude install winff but couldn't find it. |
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| 02:25.41 | jetscreamer | funyun: marillat |
| 02:25.48 | jetscreamer | err debian-multimedia |
| 02:25.49 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: do you know the ssid of the router? Do you know if it uses encryption (WEP, WPA, WPA2)? |
| 02:25.57 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
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| 02:25.58 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 02:26.03 | Ariel_Calzada | hi in my gnome my multimedia keyboard is worlking but in xfce it doesn't do nothing when i press volume up,etc... any idea??? |
| 02:27.11 | jetscreamer | p0g0: yes i do know it, and i have no wep no wpa but i use mac filtering on the router, and the mac addy is already there |
| 02:27.27 | jetscreamer | but i will need to do a wpa/wep if this network fails |
| 02:27.32 | jetscreamer | aka use the neighbors |
| 02:27.48 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: do the encryption last, after you get everything lined out. |
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| 02:27.58 | funyun | jetscreamer: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "marillat" |
| 02:28.13 | p0g0 | funyun: it's a repository |
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| 02:28.40 | jetscreamer | k. i've configured wireless before actually (i forgot) but i manually edited the file to include all the essid and stuff (interfaces iirc) |
| 02:29.03 | jetscreamer | heh. that's that laptop i have windows on now doing printing and movies |
| 02:29.08 | jetscreamer | p3700 |
| 02:29.15 | jetscreamer | err p3-700 |
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| 02:30.50 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: iwconfig will report to you the ssid- if it doesn't then your setup b0rked. You can assign it by hand for debugging or scripting. |
| 02:31.00 | prahal | magyar, you can use the menu editor and replace "iceweasel" by "LC_ALL=C iceweasel" as a command . I guess this work . I mean it could be that having a parameter before the command prevent the menu item from working . In such case you would have to create a small wrapper around iceweasel (say ./my_wrapper with "#!/bin/sh \n LC_ALL=C iceweasel" in it , render it executable and use that in the menu |
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| 02:32.21 | prahal | jetscreamer, no dmesg errors ? |
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| 02:32.54 | jetscreamer | afk atm.. but just the one i typed |
| 02:32.59 | jetscreamer | unknown hw addy |
| 02:34.01 | magyar | prahal: strange how on my work system (same install) lenny, IW works fine at home keeps crashing due to fonts. My local is set to en_us and the fonts that IW is set with is the default serif and sans sherif plus monospace |
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| 02:34.19 | mentor | eyes joltz |
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| 02:34.34 | joltz | Hi? |
| 02:34.35 | muddd | what would i need to study to make my own netnanny, iptables? anything else? |
| 02:34.37 | fedya | can someone recommend a good openvpn howto? |
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| 02:34.58 | mentor | joltz, Just hoping you're not here to make trouble, is all. |
| 02:35.03 | magyar | prahal: i do use a gnome-to-kde font smoothing package |
| 02:35.12 | prahal | magyar, yes but iceweasel guess the best match for the font to map to the family you defined . And the match depends on what is installed on the system. |
| 02:35.16 | joltz | I'm not |
| 02:35.27 | bazhang | excessi0n? |
| 02:35.41 | bazhang | bot^^ |
| 02:35.42 | mentor | good |
| 02:35.45 | p0g0 | hey mentor |
| 02:35.49 | mentor | hello |
| 02:36.00 | joltz | the bot would already be here if I intended to |
| 02:36.02 | bullgard4 | man sd: "FILES: /dev/sd[a-h][0-8]: individual block partitions". What are 'block partitions' (in contrast to 'partitions')? |
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| 02:36.32 | christoz | hello, is there any program, to use more than one monitor with the same computer? |
| 02:36.39 | joltz | I'll probably start a new one and annoy some furries with it. No offense to any furries here. |
| 02:36.40 | mentor | bazhang, yes |
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| 02:36.51 | jetscreamer | same in this case |
| 02:36.55 | bullgard4 | christoz: Yes. |
| 02:36.58 | jetscreamer | cept some are extended |
| 02:36.59 | here4thegear | this is too weird... cat /etc/default/useradd |
| 02:36.59 | here4thegear | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.29 | christoz | bullgard4, great! |
| 02:37.36 | magyar | prahal: when I start fidefox with black profile Google news fonts are tiny, I need to set "use minimum font" to 16 |
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| 02:37.41 | christoz | bullgard4, which one? |
| 02:38.29 | here4thegear | well, I guess the group info and the home info have nothing to do with one another... I guess the point is... I have no clue how to add a user even with using the help... grr.. I'll get it though, I'm just being narrative I guess. |
| 02:38.34 | prahal | magyar, sorry don't know what black profile is . |
| 02:38.46 | magyar | prahal: i checked the font sizes in konqueror and in IW , but both are set to the same size. Same page will look completely different in both browsers |
| 02:39.09 | magyar | prahal: black-blank |
| 02:39.41 | lymeca | When using fuse mounted filesystems on Lenny, using the -o allow_other switch seems to invite every user on the system to read/write/execute on the entire fuse mount, even when manual uid, gid, and umask settings should be locking them out. |
| 02:41.05 | prahal | hum the gnome theme ? |
| 02:41.12 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 02:41.12 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:41.16 | jetscreamer | hmm |
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| 02:42.39 | hark | lymeca: yeah, so don't use it? |
| 02:43.19 | lymeca | hark: I want to allow two users of a group access to it, but lock everyone else out. |
| 02:43.26 | hark | lymeca: read /usr/share/doc/fuse-utils/README.gz |
| 02:43.31 | lymeca | in other words, I want to take advantage of group permissions |
| 02:43.57 | magyar | prahal: i meant by "blank" firefox profile "firefox -p" |
| 02:44.05 | magyar | sorry iceweasel |
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| 02:44.42 | magyar | GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS << keep getting these in the terminal window |
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| 02:45.40 | magyar | i've been using kde for years, never I had this many issues with a browser |
| 02:45.53 | GinoManLinux | something is very very wrong here.... I'm using grub.... but I'm not able to find grub, nor menu.list |
| 02:46.14 | GinoManLinux | when I boot up it boots up the debian edu thing |
| 02:46.22 | hark | lymeca: try along with default_permissions |
| 02:46.24 | GinoManLinux | which I don't remember installing |
| 02:46.38 | GinoManLinux | but I have a feeling it installed with some other package I wanted |
| 02:47.29 | bullgard4 | christoz: http://www.linux-1u.net/X11/Dual/ |
| 02:47.38 | here4thegear | ok, it's pretty much this useradd -Nmpks johnnyq ::: so, now how does johnnyq login... I was never able to give him a password? |
| 02:47.43 | christoz | ty |
| 02:48.26 | schutzhund1 | here4thegear: passwd user |
| 02:48.30 | deever | what's the easiest way to retrieve all packges' metadata and changes on update? |
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| 02:48.52 | jetscreamer | p0g0 prahal : so this is good even though unconfigured? i configure it properly (whichever way) and i should be good to go? http://linux.hfds.com/files/iwconfig.output.txt |
| 02:49.14 | schutzhund1 | here4thegear: generally, Debian uses adduser instead of useradd |
| 02:49.16 | GinoManLinux | this is very confusing |
| 02:49.17 | GinoManLinux | and odd |
| 02:50.02 | jetscreamer | yeah it's old too iirc |
| 02:50.05 | prahal | magyar, probably the theme engine + the font . Yup there are bugs in iceweasel but this improves . Those days it mostly revolves around those two issues (not directly related to iceweasel though it should survive those issues in a way or another as they are common |
| 02:50.06 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 02:50.12 | jetscreamer | !debian-edu |
| 02:50.27 | GinoManLinux | !debian-edu |
| 02:50.29 | GinoManLinux | ? |
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| 02:50.54 | jetscreamer | !debianedu |
| 02:50.54 | dpkg | debianedu is probably a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as in the class room, in the staff room and in the administration office. See http://www.skolelinux.org/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 02:51.02 | prahal | deever, you might want to ask on the ML |
| 02:51.06 | grendal_prime | i got a system where the root / is running at 99% |
| 02:51.21 | grendal_prime | is there a way to remedy that without a compleate rebuild? |
| 02:51.30 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: you have no ssid set |
| 02:51.39 | prahal | grendal_prime, bind mount |
| 02:51.46 | here4thegear | schutzhund1: thanks. it took me longer to figure out how to add a user with the settings that I wanted, than it did to install, php/mysql/apache/subversion and set up all of my virtual hosts |
| 02:51.50 | grendal_prime | it was build with lvm... |
| 02:51.52 | prahal | that s what I do until I migrate to new scheme |
| 02:52.02 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: but otherwise, that looks right for a station |
| 02:52.03 | mentor | grendal_prime, resize your root |
| 02:52.11 | grendal_prime | with? |
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| 02:52.15 | grendal_prime | qtparted? |
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| 02:52.21 | schutzhund1 | here4thegear: make sure you sudo before the command, or else it will prompt you for the original password |
| 02:52.31 | mentor | grendal_prime, fs resize and lvm resize |
| 02:52.33 | jetscreamer | ah ok. what's the 'no extensions' thing though? i understand why not lo or eth0 |
| 02:52.38 | jetscreamer | what's wmaster0 |
| 02:52.45 | mentor | grendal_prime, google for one of the many instruction sets |
| 02:52.47 | here4thegear | schutzhund1: thanks. :D |
| 02:52.53 | mentor | grendal_prime, take a backup firs |
| 02:52.55 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: the radio, not the interface |
| 02:52.55 | schutzhund1 | you're welcome |
| 02:53.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:53.08 | grendal_prime | its a virtual machine so the backup is easy enough |
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| 02:53.41 | p0g0 | jetscreamer: the 'no extensions' are accurate- your wired nic has no hooks for wireless networking. |
| 02:53.45 | grendal_prime | mentor: ive looked through several howtos..but grrrr im thinking it would be easyer to just rebuild the box. |
| 02:53.50 | jetscreamer | cool.. right |
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| 02:53.58 | grendal_prime | like i say its a vmware machien anyway. |
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| 02:54.09 | jetscreamer | neither does 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:54.09 | p0g0 | grendal_prime: I'd sure try to clear some space before I did much else. |
| 02:54.17 | DDevine | Greetings. |
| 02:54.20 | magyar | prahal: thanks for the LC_ALL tip, it seems to work better now , I have 20 tabs and no crushes since 20 minuts ago. Before it would just loop-crush or stayed up for 10 minutes or so |
| 02:54.27 | schutzhund1 | howdy, DDevine |
| 02:54.28 | DDevine | Just wondering - what is the newest kernel in the unstable repo? |
| 02:54.37 | jetscreamer | .28 |
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| 02:55.01 | jetscreamer | but missing the needed thingy |
| 02:55.02 | DDevine | thanks. |
| 02:55.07 | jetscreamer | for compiling |
| 02:55.18 | jetscreamer | crud i forgot the name |
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| 02:55.29 | deever | prahal: ok...i'll try |
| 02:55.34 | jetscreamer | i just searched it too |
| 02:55.52 | DDevine | don't worry - what i am planning to do won't be for two weeks or so yet. |
| 02:55.59 | jetscreamer | not source, not headers, not image |
| 02:56.08 | jetscreamer | not tree |
| 02:56.09 | here4thegear | curap, this still didn't work. so, I chgrp -R users /var/www johnnyq is in the users group. I log in as johnnyq and still don't have permissions to do anything in the folder. :( could this be because the folder is still technically owned by root... root:users.. ? |
| 02:56.18 | jetscreamer | kbuild |
| 02:56.24 | DDevine | ah! |
| 02:56.26 | jetscreamer | kbuild isn't in there yet |
| 02:56.35 | DDevine | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/BuildImage |
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| 02:56.45 | schutzhund1 | here4thegear: what are the permissions on the folder? |
| 02:56.46 | prahal | here4thegear, chmod g+rwx -R <dir> |
| 02:57.02 | here4thegear | drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:57.02 | DDevine | Was just thinking of putting the newest kernel I could get into a SheevaPlug (not NSLU2 :) |
| 02:57.25 | jetscreamer | i'm waiting for kbuild before i install it.. don't feel like compiling it |
| 02:57.38 | jetscreamer | slow box |
| 02:58.47 | jetscreamer | kbuild seems to always be late getting into therepo |
| 02:58.49 | here4thegear | yes yes yes...prahal... |
| 02:59.22 | here4thegear | is there any way at all to force that to be the default permissions of anything created in that folder in the future? |
| 02:59.37 | jetscreamer | thanks again, p0g0 , prahal |
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| 03:06.00 | prahal | here4thegear, chmod a+s <dir> should do the trick (from the doc ... not experimented) |
| 03:06.46 | here4thegear | well, there's umask for that but I don't have it. |
| 03:07.02 | here4thegear | oh... prahal, I'll try that. |
| 03:07.14 | prahal | all newly created file or directory in <dir> will retain the permission (if you want it to work in all subdirs find <dir> -type d chmod a+s {} \; |
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| 03:07.37 | prahal | umask will apply the permission to all fiiles created not only in a subdir |
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| 03:08.02 | prahal | ther is pam umask if you want umask functionnality |
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| 03:08.29 | here4thegear | prahal: umask is system wide? |
| 03:08.43 | prahal | oups find <dir> -type d -exec chmod a+s {} \; |
| 03:09.02 | prahal | yes merely session wide but the result is the same |
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| 03:10.04 | krfkeith | this may be a dumb question, but how do I use wget to download a file directly to a usb driver? |
| 03:12.15 | here4thegear | to a usb drive you mean? |
| 03:12.17 | prahal | krfkeith, this is hard to tell because I guess you mean usb key |
| 03:12.30 | prahal | mind reading mode |
| 03:13.37 | krfkeith | yes |
| 03:13.51 | krfkeith | sorry, I meant drive |
| 03:14.04 | prahal | if so wget -P /media/<...>/..../<dir> |
| 03:14.11 | krfkeith | as in a usb flash drive |
| 03:14.22 | krfkeith | wait |
| 03:14.44 | krfkeith | what goes in those brackets? |
| 03:14.53 | krfkeith | wget -{ |
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| 03:15.21 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.26 | pickcoder | Kretuli: do you have a desktop running? |
| 03:15.31 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:15.43 | krfkeith | how do I know the name of the media? |
| 03:15.46 | pickcoder | krfkeith: ^^ |
| 03:15.52 | krfkeith | is it dev/sda1? |
| 03:17.02 | gauge | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.10 | prahal | krfkeith, no . This one is the device name. In media you see the "label" name . You can find it by mount -l |grep sda1 as your device is sda1 |
| 03:17.19 | krfkeith | ok |
| 03:17.28 | krfkeith | thanks for your help |
| 03:17.36 | prahal | gauge, dhcp ? |
| 03:17.47 | pickcoder | gauge: is encryption enabled on the AP? |
| 03:17.49 | krfkeith | and then the url obviously goes first? |
| 03:17.53 | gauge | no encryption. |
| 03:17.53 | here4thegear | I hope google.com isn't down... programming everywhere would stop until it got fixed. |
| 03:18.08 | pickcoder | here4thegear: yeah that's already happened |
| 03:18.10 | gauge | I have to active dhcp on debian.? really? |
| 03:18.16 | gauge | ha |
| 03:18.45 | prahal | gauge, nope dhcp as client as I bet your access point is providing dhcp services |
| 03:18.47 | here4thegear | lol pickcoder what? it must have been on a weekend cuz I don't remember being sent home early.. |
| 03:18.53 | prahal | dhclient3 |
| 03:19.05 | here4thegear | <snicker snicker> |
| 03:19.28 | pickcoder | gauge: if you configure your wireless settings in the interfaces and set the device as "auto" then dhcp will happen |
| 03:19.28 | gauge | wicked! |
| 03:19.43 | gauge | I don't know what the hell dhclient3 is, but it worked. |
| 03:20.12 | pickcoder | here4thegear: there was a writeup in infoweek on cloud computing regarding the downtime recently |
| 03:20.13 | prahal | hum nope one have to have a line like "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" |
| 03:20.29 | gauge | what's the deal here? I have to run dhclient3? that seems kinda odd. |
| 03:20.44 | krfkeith | problem, it tells me the device name is an unsupported scheme |
| 03:20.52 | krfkeith | not sure what that means |
| 03:21.05 | here4thegear | pickcoder: yeah, I know, I just felt like having fun with it. |
| 03:21.09 | pickcoder | prahal: and where is the essid being set? |
| 03:21.31 | pickcoder | here4thegear: it's ok though.. you'll get another change to go home early |
| 03:21.33 | prahal | gauge, if you have a line like above it will be done automatically . You could use network-admin or network-manager to configure/manage your wireless . It is easier |
| 03:21.36 | pickcoder | s/change/chance |
| 03:21.37 | gauge | I mean I'll take it since it works, but it reminds me of whne I had to use "pump" to refresh my network settings. |
| 03:22.03 | krfkeith | also, how do I change the name? |
| 03:22.17 | gauge | before this, I tried network-manager, that didn't go so well. basicaly the same thing, no dhcp love. |
| 03:22.22 | here4thegear | lol pickcoder yeah, I'm sure. I had that fear re: the cloud when things first started going that way |
| 03:22.32 | prahal | pickcoder, this was an incomplete sample . Just telling about the dhcp . One need "wpa-ssid <my essid>" too |
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| 03:23.54 | pickcoder | here4thegear: soon everyone will have their voicemail on Google and have a textual and verbal database of millions of recordings.. Then comes the cellphone service and conversation logging. |
| 03:24.43 | prahal | krfkeith, -P <destination> goes first |
| 03:24.52 | krfkeith | ah |
| 03:24.53 | krfkeith | ok |
| 03:25.18 | prahal | unsupported scheme means it tries to parse the last item as http://.... https://.... (etc) but it cannot as it is /media/.... |
| 03:26.34 | here4thegear | pickcoder: yes, well, there are far too many people who don't even know about google... soooo, lol |
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| 03:27.39 | prahal | pickcoder, let them be silly . It is like those panurge sheep that where all running before, to and beyond the cliff ... just because the first sheep was running there |
| 03:27.41 | here4thegear | or at least, they ask you questions like you're google.. lol |
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| 03:29.34 | bullgard4 | man sd: "FILES: /dev/sd[a-h][0-8]: individual block partitions". What are 'block partitions' (in contrast to 'partitions')? |
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| 03:29.48 | here4thegear | It is kinda cool that you can read outside pop3 accounts via gmail, but doood, that means google has access to all your stuffs |
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| 03:30.09 | prahal | I don't mean the cloud is useless or else . Just that relying solely on it is pretty ***** . cloud is the opposite of the internet . ot replication but aggregation . |
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| 03:31.05 | prahal | Bulldog, I bet this is pedantic wording . I don't know what a non block partition would mean |
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| 03:31.37 | prahal | maybe tape devices |
| 03:31.55 | prahal | don't have block partitions ... |
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| 03:32.44 | here4thegear | oh hey, is there a way to build a web interface to irc? |
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| 03:33.58 | here4thegear | is looking for a chat protocol that can be used both by pidgin and used somehow in a php Ajax site |
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| 03:34.15 | doleyb | here4thegear: well there are irc php kits... some of the bots run on them. |
| 03:34.24 | here4thegear | xmpp (is what google uses) |
| 03:35.02 | krfkeith | I hate fedora, thats why I am updating my XO laptop to debian |
| 03:35.11 | krfkeith | it truly is an update |
| 03:35.21 | here4thegear | doleyb: that's pretty cool, I'll check it out. I can probably set up an irc server on debian... |
| 03:35.22 | prahal | here4thegear, cgiirc in debian ... there a java web start I used I don't recall the name |
| 03:35.31 | krfkeith | the fedora package system is terrible |
| 03:35.38 | klaz168 | here4thegear, web interface to irc? |
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| 03:36.43 | here4thegear | lol klaz168 well, browser |
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| 03:39.21 | klaz168 | here4thegear, irc applets? |
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| 03:40.18 | enouf | bullgard4: you left out this info written there-> " /dev/sd[a-h]: the whole device" |
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| 03:40.45 | prahal | or php or python based |
| 03:41.23 | enouf | bullgard4: som in comparison; 'sda' would be "the whole device" whereas 'sda1' would be a "individual block partition" |
| 03:41.41 | bullgard4 | enouf: Yes, but I do not think that this will help to find the answer to the question put. |
| 03:41.56 | enouf | bullgard4: no difference to "partition" |
| 03:42.05 | bullgard4 | Ah! |
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| 03:42.19 | enouf | bullgard4: however SCSI disks have limitations on amount of partitions available to create |
| 03:42.34 | enouf | i think it's 11 or so |
| 03:43.01 | enouf | i think /Documentation/devices.txt should say - |
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| 03:43.35 | enouf | bullgard4: i guess calling it a block partition because it's a partition on a 'block device' |
| 03:44.24 | here4thegear | klaz168: well, I don't know, I really don't want to make the user have to use java or flash. I'm think something somewhat similar to what facebook does, but, I want to add the functionality of having rooms.. |
| 03:44.25 | enouf | bullgard4: 'partition' is actually a term which means separate; to wall off - to build a wall for separation .. so tospeak |
| 03:45.15 | here4thegear | I don't even know why I'm asking now anyway, it's going to be at least a year before I can even start that part of this project |
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| 03:45.35 | klaz168 | here4thegear, well you could grab one in AJAX, check google |
| 03:45.55 | enouf | bullgard4: the walls in your home or apartment that separate rooms are called partitions |
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| 03:51.21 | here4thegear | of course, there's always jabber |
| 03:51.44 | here4thegear | if I want a script to run on startup where do I put it? |
| 03:52.05 | here4thegear | actually, I just want to ensure that svnserve -d is running on reboots |
| 03:53.32 | bullgard4 | enouf: /Documentation/devices.txt does not include the term "block partition". But the explanation that you have given makes sense to me. -- Thank you. |
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| 03:58.27 | lymeca | The Debian Lenny xen-tools package is 3.9-4, which carried a changelog of "Changed two defaults in xen-tools.conf to conform to the defaults used by the xen packages: serial_device: tty1 -> hvc0" |
| 03:59.08 | lymeca | However when I install a new xen domain U guest with xen-create-image and debootstrap, the terminal is set to use tty, not any Xen specific console, and thus the machine is non-functional due to an inability to access it's console. |
| 03:59.46 | enouf | bullgard4: i was referring to amount of available partitions for SCSI disks vs IDE ; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/devices.txt#L282 - which turns out to be 15, not 11 |
| 04:00.19 | bullgard4 | enouf: Yes, I am familiar with that. |
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| 04:03.35 | enouf | lymeca: not sure, but IIRC, you need to pass some kernel boot params, like maybe xenconsole=/dev/ttyX or similar |
| 04:03.40 | GinoManLinux | ok.... this is bad |
| 04:03.44 | GinoManLinux | I don't have a grub.conf |
| 04:03.54 | GinoManLinux | nor a menu.list |
| 04:03.56 | enouf | GinoManLinux: that's grub2 |
| 04:04.02 | enouf | GinoManLinux: that's grub1 |
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| 04:04.13 | GinoManLinux | wait... what? |
| 04:04.26 | lymeca | enouf: Where would I do this? I mean if the changelog says it fixed this... |
| 04:04.49 | lymeca | But I see nothing in /etc/inittab or /etc/securetty about an xcd0 or hvc0 which are the only two devices used as Xen console |
| 04:04.57 | enouf | GinoManLinux: /etc/grub/grub.conf ; /etc/default/grub* == grub2 .. menu.lst == grub1 |
| 04:05.04 | enouf | IIRC |
| 04:05.09 | GinoManLinux | ok |
| 04:05.17 | GinoManLinux | ... /etc |
| 04:05.23 | GinoManLinux | I'm an idiot |
| 04:05.26 | enouf | lymeca: oh .. don't know then - maybe wiki,debian.org has info? |
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| 04:06.21 | GinoManLinux | grub isn't there either |
| 04:06.34 | enouf | what did you install GinoManLinux ? |
| 04:06.43 | GinoManLinux | let me try and find /etc/default/grub* |
| 04:07.26 | GinoManLinux | I don't know |
| 04:07.37 | enouf | GinoManLinux: not sure if all here is applicable to Debian vs gentoo, but http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2 |
| 04:07.56 | GinoManLinux | I just know that my boot behavior was no longer kosher after installing (unintentionally) debian-edu |
| 04:08.00 | enouf | GinoManLinux: also - see grub.enbug.org ? |
| 04:08.44 | GinoManLinux | It suddenly started showing a "debian-edu" boot splash on bootup and shutdown |
| 04:08.55 | GinoManLinux | and I couldn't figure out what happened |
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| 04:09.04 | enouf | GinoManLinux: i do know that "hd0,1" is true (as 1st HDD, 1st partition, vs older grub1 using hd0,0) |
| 04:09.38 | enouf | across all of grub2, no matter which distro - AFAIK |
| 04:10.30 | enouf | i believe that was done to better comply with the universal multidisk specification (and GPT style tables and such) |
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| 04:11.06 | GinoManLinux | I grub-install'ed on "(hd0,1)" |
| 04:11.07 | enouf | GinoManLinux: #grub has been dealing with only grub2 for sometime now |
| 04:11.08 | GinoManLinux | and it worked |
| 04:11.10 | lymeca | enouf: You were right, the wiki documents the issue. It's a really big bug to miss honestly. Installing Lenny with the xen-tools utilities is broken by default... no console or SSH because of lack of udev and no hvc0 device! |
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| 04:11.41 | GinoManLinux | I'll try there |
| 04:11.45 | enouf | lymeca: i'm glad the info was atleast available - hopefully fixed soon |
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| 04:12.27 | shellito | Hi, how can I identify which is the interface name when I just install a driver (wi-fi) example (rausb0, wlan0, sit0, ath0 etc)? |
| 04:12.42 | sweetnicolle | hi everyone |
| 04:12.48 | enouf | shellito: well, ifconfig -a ; but ls /sys/class/net |
| 04:12.55 | GinoManLinux | sort of... I still don't have my config files |
| 04:13.39 | enouf | shellito: udevinfo/udevadm can also help ; "udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/<iface> |
| 04:13.43 | enouf | " |
| 04:13.57 | enouf | shellito: i bet dmesg could help too |
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| 04:15.05 | shellito | enouf, ok thank you so much... I was thinking that there must be a "process" to know it... I just spend lot of time guessing. Thanks againg. |
| 04:15.06 | enouf | shellito: there are great tuts on wiki,debian.org for wifi related |
| 04:15.19 | shellito | enouf, ok thank you. |
| 04:15.22 | enouf | shellito: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/02/msg00006.html |
| 04:15.31 | sweetnicolle | can someone talk to me, im nicolle from USA |
| 04:15.39 | sweetnicolle | single |
| 04:15.44 | enouf | ... |
| 04:16.04 | enouf | you're likely a fat balding FBI agent in his 50s |
| 04:16.09 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:16.43 | jhujhiti | proper firmware installed, gnome's wireless network options do not have an option for WPA (and the dropdown menu does not list any networks, but iwlist does) |
| 04:16.48 | jhujhiti | (lenny) |
| 04:16.52 | enouf | sweetnicolle: you might want debian-women related channel, or #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 04:17.11 | enouf | sweetnicolle: there's also a ##debian-offtopic |
| 04:18.19 | jhujhiti | has anyone seen this before? i'd rather not have to configure the network by hand with wpasupplicant's config |
| 04:18.39 | GinoManLinux | grub.cfg? |
| 04:18.45 | GinoManLinux | it never made that before |
| 04:18.51 | enouf | jhujhiti: i guess you're using network-manager? |
| 04:19.02 | jhujhiti | enouf: yes |
| 04:19.08 | enouf | jhujhiti: try /msg dpkg gnome ; also look into the wicd app |
| 04:19.23 | enouf | perhaps |
| 04:19.51 | hark | jhujhiti: gnome's network tool is not network manager. you have to install it |
| 04:19.52 | jhujhiti | gnome command doesn't give me anything remotely useful... |
| 04:20.09 | enouf | GinoManLinux: any specific info about grub2 in Debian you find out i will welcome |
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| 04:20.27 | jhujhiti | hark: what is "it"? |
| 04:20.31 | GinoManLinux | something is weird here |
| 04:20.39 | GinoManLinux | what is with all the ".mod" files |
| 04:20.42 | GinoManLinux | that's my question |
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| 04:20.46 | GinoManLinux | because the directory wasn't that full |
| 04:20.53 | jhujhiti | hark: the application under the Adminstation menu certainly LOOKS like it should let me configure the thing |
| 04:21.32 | GinoManLinux | and what is openvz |
| 04:21.36 | hark | all right then, do as you wish |
| 04:21.45 | enouf | GinoManLinux: grub2 is modular |
| 04:21.57 | jhujhiti | hark: except that it doesn't do wpa... |
| 04:22.00 | enouf | you need to use 'insmod <something>' |
| 04:22.16 | jhujhiti | enouf: was that for me? |
| 04:22.21 | enouf | no |
| 04:22.24 | enouf | GinoManLinux: |
| 04:22.25 | hark | jhujhiti: yes, i know. use nm for that |
| 04:22.41 | enouf | jhujhiti: i';m not good with wifi, others helping you are |
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| 04:23.47 | jhujhiti | i have to be missing *something* because as far as i can tell, these applications are the same frontends ubuntu uses, which works out of the box |
| 04:24.21 | enouf | http://grub.enbug.org/grub.cfg |
| 04:24.53 | hark | jhujhiti: ubuntu comes with nm as default afaik, and which you are not using |
| 04:24.55 | enouf | jhujhiti: frontends got nothing on rearends ;-) |
| 04:25.29 | jhujhiti | hark: network-manager is the nm-editor command. i am using that |
| 04:25.40 | enouf | !nm |
| 04:25.40 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
| 04:25.44 | enouf | gah |
| 04:26.05 | jhujhiti | ah ha, i missed an entry in dpkg -L. it's NetworkManager, not nm-tool =p |
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| 04:26.36 | enouf | s/he mentioned you have to "/msg dpkg installit" |
| 04:26.44 | GinoManLinux | ok... actually... I think I can dig this |
| 04:26.54 | jhujhiti | the package is installed... |
| 04:26.56 | enouf | !pet GinoManLinux |
| 04:26.58 | GinoManLinux | grub2 in testing is different than grub2 in stable... isn't it |
| 04:27.16 | hark | jhujhiti: nm-applet |
| 04:27.20 | enouf | GinoManLinux: well, they're blown up into various grub-* pkgs AFACT |
| 04:27.29 | enouf | er AFAICT |
| 04:27.37 | GinoManLinux | AFAICT? |
| 04:27.45 | enouf | !afaict |
| 04:27.45 | dpkg | hmm... afaict is As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz |
| 04:27.51 | jhujhiti | hark: installed by default on lenny. does not seem to do anything |
| 04:28.03 | enouf | GinoManLinux: like grub-pc ; grub-efi ; etc |
| 04:28.07 | GinoManLinux | ah |
| 04:28.15 | GinoManLinux | gotcha |
| 04:28.31 | jhujhiti | hark: (rather, the applet icon works, but the menu option to connect to a wireless network opens nm-editor, which does not work. i cannot even type in the bssid field) |
| 04:28.32 | hark | jhujhiti: run it from the console, any output? |
| 04:28.37 | jhujhiti | none |
| 04:28.40 | GinoManLinux | ok... so now I should go back to compiling my kernel because I'm pretty certain that grub is fully functional |
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| 04:29.23 | hark | jhujhiti: make sure you have not configured the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:29.38 | hark | jhujhiti: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 04:30.34 | hark | jhujhiti: when you right click the applet, is Enable wireless checked? |
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| 04:31.16 | jhujhiti | it is. and then i plug an ethernet cable in and the option disappears. but my interfaces(5) had a mysterious entry for the wireless interface in there. *disconnects screen session to test* |
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| 04:34.38 | jhujhiti | hark: right, so removed wlan stuff from interfaces(5), restarted networking, network-manager, and network-manager-dispatcher and logged in/out for good measure. now i always have an option for "wireless enabled", but nothing else has changed. |
| 04:35.17 | jhujhiti | hark: when i open nm-editor, the list of networks on the left of the window is blank. i can type a name in the field on the right, but the bssids field is disabled |
| 04:35.28 | jhujhiti | so is the edit button and everything below it |
| 04:36.28 | enouf | jhujhiti: bssid, or essid? |
| 04:36.44 | enouf | (shows how much i know :-P) |
| 04:36.48 | jhujhiti | bssid.. it's just a label in a dialog box |
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| 04:39.36 | SerajewelKS | linux-kbuild-2.6.28 is not in sid? |
| 04:39.42 | SerajewelKS | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.28 |
| 04:39.42 | judd | SerajewelKS: linux-kbuild-2.6.28 -- |
| 04:39.47 | SerajewelKS | the hell |
| 04:40.02 | grendal_prime | ok what consumes space on the / ? |
| 04:40.06 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
| 04:40.07 | hark | SerajewelKS: no, was rejected from NEW about a month back |
| 04:40.10 | grendal_prime | something i can get rid of.. |
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| 04:40.29 | SerajewelKS | doesn't understand how things that depend on missing packages make it |
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| 04:40.58 | hark | SerajewelKS: you should read the bug report on it ;) |
| 04:41.15 | grendal_prime | i just built a brand new system using the lvm partitioner, and it set up the root partition 250 mb, and its a 20 gig drive,.... |
| 04:41.32 | SerajewelKS | hark: i don't see a bug report for that package... |
| 04:41.43 | hark | SerajewelKS: hang on.. |
| 04:42.09 | k-man | which bot can locate files? |
| 04:42.16 | SerajewelKS | k-man: apt-file |
| 04:42.48 | hark | jhujhiti: pretty hard to troubleshoot gui stuff, have no idea what the screen says... |
| 04:43.16 | k-man | SerajewelKS: i was hoping the bit might be more expansive than apt-file |
| 04:43.33 | jhujhiti | hark: which is why i hate guis, but everything else works so well! |
| 04:43.42 | SerajewelKS | k-man: packages.debian.org will probably be the most helpful |
| 04:43.56 | k-man | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 04:45.29 | hark | SerajewelKS: http://bugs.debian.org/51726 |
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| 04:45.41 | enouf | SerajewelKS: build it yourself |
| 04:46.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that's the next step... |
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| 04:46.26 | SerajewelKS | hark: the missing digit is 0 i assume? |
| 04:46.34 | hark | jhujhiti: usually you don't have to configure the settings yourself... just pick it from the list |
| 04:46.50 | PrMoriarty | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.53 | hark | SerajewelKS: yeah, oops. read it, it's fun :) |
| 04:46.57 | jhujhiti | hark: right. usually ;P |
| 04:47.00 | SerajewelKS | hark: ah, i thought the bug report would show why it was rejected. i already know it's not there :) |
| 04:47.06 | PrMoriarty | it s true? cause i try and i can just sniff what my host is sending or receiving |
| 04:47.07 | SerajewelKS | hark: but yes, looks like some fun drama |
| 04:47.17 | jhujhiti | i'll try this wicd thing. i'm just dreading another manual wpasupplicant configuration. it's such a pita |
| 04:47.34 | hark | SerajewelKS: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/02/msg00567.htm |
| 04:47.59 | hark | SerajewelKS: this -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/02/msg00567.html |
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| 04:48.02 | SerajewelKS | hark: i think you have trouble pasting the last character of things :) |
| 04:48.16 | SerajewelKS | hark: ah, fun |
| 04:49.07 | SerajewelKS | legalities |
| 04:49.07 | SerajewelKS | exactly something the end user cares about :) |
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| 04:49.12 | SerajewelKS | (sid not for end users, of course, i'm being facetious) |
| 04:49.56 | hark | jhujhiti: which chipset btw? |
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| 04:50.30 | SerajewelKS | when building my own kernel i never know what to do with config options that were added... |
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| 04:56.31 | UsamaAkkad | hello is their a way to add gui to the minimum installation cd ? |
| 04:56.54 | enouf | you mean gtk? |
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| 04:57.07 | enouf | which minimal installation cd? |
| 04:57.26 | UsamaAkkad | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 04:57.29 | UsamaAkkad | this |
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| 04:57.38 | enouf | installgui |
| 04:57.51 | enouf | !ig |
| 04:57.51 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware> |
| 04:58.20 | enouf | try the F1-10 keys |
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| 05:09.46 | ninjaslim | how can i install compiz-fusion on debian lenny |
| 05:10.50 | gnuanu | hi there... I have a Dell Inspiron laptop with intel integrated graphics. Whel installed lenny using the first DVD some problems with X. the mouse pointer is not shown correctly. Is there any thing i missed? |
| 05:11.05 | Manoj | ninjaslim: apt-cache search compiz; aptitude isntall <your selection> |
| 05:11.40 | enouf | gnuanu: explain "not shown correctly" |
| 05:11.43 | Manoj | gnuanu: What does "pointer is not shown correctly" mean? You do not like the cursor set? |
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| 05:12.05 | enouf | gnuanu: maybe you want the x-cursor-themes pkgs along with update-alternatives |
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| 05:13.19 | gnuanu | Manoj, enouf : in place of arrow pointer it shows a fade square with cris cros lines. But when pointer is on title bar of any windows it shows the arrow |
| 05:13.35 | Manoj | nt with Debian rather than netbsd since there were no "core' commiters in Debian |
| 05:13.47 | Manoj | oops, ECHAN |
| 05:13.56 | enouf | Manoj: heh |
| 05:14.47 | gnuanu | any idea? |
| 05:15.18 | enouf | gnuanu: well, hovering over a WM's title bar is WM related - but try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 05:15.36 | adb__ | ninjaslim: try #compiz |
| 05:16.31 | Manoj | gnuanu: it depends on your window manager. You shouod be able to select between cursor themes |
| 05:17.35 | DogBoy | what good is a cursor theme when you have... no mouse mister anderson |
| 05:18.07 | enouf | gnuanu: config all of these as well -> x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser You installed what from DVD?, are you using gnome ? try gconf-editor? maybe click the icon Sysytem > |
| 05:18.28 | gnuanu | i tried changing the mouse themes. but when ever i click somewhrer on the desktop i changes to sqare :( |
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| 05:19.31 | enouf | gnuanu: reconfigure your DE preferences |
| 05:19.57 | gnuanu | enouf please explain that statement |
| 05:20.01 | enouf | gnome-control-center? kmenu > k control center? |
| 05:20.23 | gnuanu | i am using gnome |
| 05:20.25 | enouf | gnuanu: DE == Desktop Environment |
| 05:20.28 | enouf | that |
| 05:20.35 | enouf | that's why i asked |
| 05:20.41 | jetscreamer | the gnome thing is your de |
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| 05:20.51 | gnuanu | ohh okie :-) |
| 05:20.53 | jetscreamer | my de is a desert eagle |
| 05:21.12 | enouf | try System > Preferences > <whatever> maybe |
| 05:21.13 | Manoj | prefers fvwm |
| 05:21.31 | jetscreamer | my de shoots faster than your de |
| 05:21.51 | Manoj | dumbing down to a desktop always makes me feel like I am in a cage, and I go running back to the flexibility of fvwm |
| 05:22.10 | jetscreamer | i use icewm myself |
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| 05:22.37 | gnuanu | i tried X -configure once but no use |
| 05:22.54 | jetscreamer | that wouldn't do your mouse cursor |
| 05:23.20 | jetscreamer | try apt-get instal gnome for the full on bloat |
| 05:23.33 | jetscreamer | aptitude install |
| 05:23.43 | Piet | for managing a kvm network on a lenny server, would you use libvirt-bin oder vde? |
| 05:23.57 | Piet | i'm not even sure these are alternatives |
| 05:24.05 | jetscreamer | over? |
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| 05:24.12 | Piet | doesn't have the full kvm picture, yet |
| 05:24.12 | adb__ | apt-get instal gnome-core |
| 05:24.19 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.46 | Piet | jetscreamer: yes, that's my question |
| 05:25.02 | Piet | oh 'oder'=or |
| 05:25.21 | Piet | meant to say: for managing a kvm network on a lenny server, would you use libvirt-bin or vde? |
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| 05:28.00 | matt7676 | is it possible to resize an ext3 partition over ssh? In other words without unmounting it first? |
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| 05:29.12 | cast | sure. but only expanding |
| 05:29.28 | jberg | hey, im using the 686-kernel which comes with lenny now. i have an amd64 (turion64 x2) but i didn't really think about it so just installed my usual 686 kernel, which has worked fine, except i think it may not be able to use some of the hardware properly, especially cache and ram seems to be performing pretty poor. anyway, |
| 05:30.14 | cast | jberg: could run the amd64 port :) |
| 05:30.20 | jberg | now i want to use an amd kernel. im thinking of maybe running 64 bit and do some virtualization or just amd x86_64, but can i change from a 686 kernel to an amd kernel without reinstalling? |
| 05:30.37 | enouf | yes |
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| 05:30.41 | jberg | cool |
| 05:30.55 | enouf | but you still have a 32bit installation |
| 05:31.03 | cast | jberg: linux-image-amd64 sounds promising |
| 05:31.11 | jberg | do you recommend pure 64 bit or x86_64 if i want to do virtualization |
| 05:31.12 | enouf | (i386) vs amd64 port |
| 05:31.33 | enouf | jberg: you're confused |
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| 05:31.48 | jberg | enouf: hmm, probably. what now? |
| 05:31.52 | enouf | !amd64 |
| 05:31.53 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
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| 05:32.10 | cast | i go with a full 64bit OS. likely anything you want to use that's officially in debian will work fine in 64bit land |
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| 05:32.43 | enouf | jberg: what does dpkg --print-architecture ; and uname -r ; and "file /bin/ls" say ? |
| 05:33.24 | enouf | jberg: see if you have full kvm support - /msg dpkg kvm (note the cpu flags - and BIOS enabling) |
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| 05:34.40 | jberg | i386 and 2.6.26-1-686 and /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
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| 05:35.23 | jberg | and yeah, i have kvm support |
| 05:35.33 | enouf | jberg: when i said "<enouf> but you still have a 32bit installation" i mean your "userspace" will still be 32bit (i386 port) vs your "kernelspace" (once you install the -amd)64 kernel |
| 05:35.36 | matt7676 | cast: so expanding partitions and filesystems over ssh is possible? |
| 05:35.46 | abe | /j #quakelive |
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| 05:36.40 | cast | matt7676: i expand filesystems often enough, but i use LVM |
| 05:36.54 | jberg | enouf: ah i missed that. but yes i know. but i thought amd x86_64 was different from a 386 (or 686) kernel, but i guess its not |
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| 05:37.43 | enouf | !listkeys wiki/x86-64 |
| 05:37.44 | matt7676 | cast: ok, so I should set up LVM if I would like to resize partitions and filesystems in the future? |
| 05:37.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wiki/x86-64' by key returned no results. |
| 05:37.54 | enouf | !listvals wiki/x86-64 |
| 05:37.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wiki/x86-64' by value (1): why amd64. |
| 05:38.05 | enouf | !why amd64 |
| 05:38.05 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 05:38.12 | cast | matt7676: indeed. |
| 05:38.24 | enouf | jberg: see that dpkg factoid i just triggered |
| 05:38.40 | matt7676 | cast: ok, thanks! |
| 05:39.21 | jberg | enouf: ah. so x86-64 is full 64 bit? |
| 05:39.31 | enouf | same same |
| 05:39.40 | enouf | read the wiki |
| 05:39.43 | jberg | okay, but 386 is not right? :) |
| 05:39.59 | enouf | i386 is x86 32bit |
| 05:40.08 | jberg | yes i see |
| 05:40.10 | enouf | !ports |
| 05:40.10 | dpkg | i guess ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
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| 05:40.26 | Piet | so could someone recommend some first stps for setting up a server with kvm on lenny? |
| 05:40.49 | cast | Piet: installing lenny. |
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| 05:41.14 | matt7676 | but is it possible to set up LVM on a working system over ssh? |
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| 05:41.22 | Piet | cast: ok, 2nd step then. |
| 05:41.55 | matt7676 | or should i have done it when i installed that machine? |
| 05:42.16 | jberg | enouf: can you recommend some good virtualization software with amd64? im thinking of that kernel module and maybe xen.. it's only for a windows virtualization |
| 05:42.38 | enouf | jberg: not personally, not much experience |
| 05:42.38 | jberg | s/and maybe/or maybe/ |
| 05:42.49 | Manoj | jberg: kvm? |
| 05:42.55 | cast | matt7676: much much easier if you had done it when installing the machine, but one cn still do it now if you have a lot of free space |
| 05:43.30 | cast | windows runs in kvm fine |
| 05:43.38 | jberg | Manoj: kvm is that kernel module? |
| 05:43.43 | cast | using xen will be annoying, you'll lose your 3d acceleration |
| 05:43.49 | enouf | jberg: though kvm i know is supposed to be the 'schiznitz!' and fastest - presuming the svm flag is present |
| 05:43.53 | jberg | i don't have that anyway :) |
| 05:43.54 | Manoj | jberg: kernel virtual machine |
| 05:44.08 | jberg | okay, kvm it is then |
| 05:44.19 | cast | or, may lose, dunno how much progress has been made n that xen front |
| 05:44.20 | jberg | but how do i get 64 bit apps from aptitude then? |
| 05:44.24 | matt7676 | cast: thank you! |
| 05:44.47 | jberg | have to build them myself? |
| 05:45.10 | DDevine | jberg: If you are just making 1 virtual machine go with KVM or Virtualbox. In your instance I would Suggest Virtualbox, extremely simple setup for the person who wants "just one Windows VM" |
| 05:45.25 | Manoj | jberg: if dpkg and aptitude on your machine thinks the architecture is amd64, that is what you will see |
| 05:45.25 | enouf | cast: i thought since kvm uses only linux kernels that using windows was a no no? does one need QEMU support then as well? |
| 05:45.27 | cast | jberg: easiest to run the amd64 port :\ |
| 05:45.29 | jberg | DDevine: okay cool. will look into it |
| 05:45.33 | DDevine | For the person who "has a few VMs" I would go the extra effort for KVM. |
| 05:45.56 | grendal_prime | ok what is actually stored on the root of the filesystem? |
| 05:46.05 | enouf | root |
| 05:46.15 | grendal_prime | root dir? |
| 05:46.21 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 05:46.23 | jberg | DDevine: i have an extra server with amd64 which im going to set up soon and been thinking of trying to build a small cluster, so kvm will be good then, right? |
| 05:46.24 | cast | enouf: you might be confusin virtualization technologies, kvm [should] be able to run any OS as a guest |
| 05:46.45 | Manoj | find / -xdev |
| 05:46.45 | enouf | cast: i'm sure i am ... ok then .. will look more into it |
| 05:46.52 | cast | enouf: there is that other OS level virtualization that just went into linux...iirc by rusty, which only allows linux instances |
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| 05:47.01 | Manoj | find / -xdev ,--- this is what is stored on the rootfs |
| 05:47.04 | enouf | cast: lguest? |
| 05:47.12 | cast | enouf: ahh, indeed |
| 05:47.27 | enouf | cast: that's a small subset of kvm |
| 05:47.39 | enouf | somewhat, IIUC |
| 05:47.52 | jberg | but right now i only have linux installed on one partition on this laptop, is it possible to get LVM into the mix without fucking every thing up? |
| 05:48.33 | Manoj | jberg: sure, as long as you haveb free disk space |
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| 05:49.20 | Manoj | create parrtitions, add them as lvm physical volumes |
| 05:49.27 | jberg | Manoj: i have some free disk space on this partition, but not free disk space as in another partition |
| 05:49.28 | enouf | Manoj: btw - nive to see you around - (and i just want to say thanks for all your contributions to Debian) |
| 05:49.34 | enouf | nice* |
| 05:49.41 | jberg | Manoj: but i can resize this i guess |
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| 05:50.03 | Manoj | create volume groups, create logical volumes, mount them into temporary ares, copy info over, edit /etc/fstab, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:50.20 | Manoj | enouf: Thanks |
| 05:50.32 | jberg | but okay, is there anything special i have to do to change the kernel to amd64, or just aptitude install amd64? |
| 05:50.38 | Manoj | jberg: how big is your single partition? how much free space? |
| 05:50.45 | cast | jberg: just install |
| 05:51.26 | jberg | Manoj: used 12GB free 25GB so that should be fine right |
| 05:52.00 | Manoj | one of the tricks I have used in the past to install a different architecturte is to create a new root parition, mount it , and run debbootstrap on that partition, and try to boot into that |
| 05:52.38 | Manoj | but you might be better off just creating the new partition, and installing debian from scratch into the new partition |
| 05:52.54 | jberg | yeah, i've done that too. but if this will work just as well without reinstalling i dont think ill bother |
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| 05:54.09 | jberg | hmm, is there a program that backs up all your config files and mail and stuff and can restore it when you've reinstalled? |
| 05:54.12 | jberg | that would be neat |
| 05:54.36 | Manoj | well, I would suggest a usb key to store /etc and also /home |
| 05:55.14 | Manoj | and create a separate /home partition; then you just have to worry about /etc when reinstalling or restoring from backup |
| 05:55.17 | enouf | there's etckeeper; there's tar, gz and rsync, etc etc |
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| 05:57.18 | Manoj | etckeeper is cool in concept, but too messy, I just created my own git repo, and keep a few files in .etc that I actually modify in git |
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| 05:58.21 | cast | what kind of % increases in memory usuage can one expect in the base install between 386 and amd64 ports? |
| 05:58.24 | enouf | nice (i haven't yet tried etckeeper) |
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| 05:58.51 | dondelelcaro | cast: that question is pretty much unanswerable |
| 05:59.10 | UsamaAkkad | hello does debian installation have GUI |
| 05:59.10 | Manoj | cast: good question. I only have amd64 machines now, so I can't offfer a comparison |
| 05:59.58 | enouf | UsamaAkkad: i thought i answered you fairly concisely |
| 06:00.19 | UsamaAkkad | sorry I'm new to this |
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| 06:00.41 | dondelelcaro | UsamaAkkad: yes, it does. See the install guide for details |
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| 06:01.20 | enouf | UsamaAkkad: [00:56:03] <enouf> installgui [00:56:16] <enouf> !ig [00:56:45] <enouf> try the F1-10 keys |
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| 06:01.48 | enouf | UsamaAkkad: in your irc client; "/msg dpkg ig" |
| 06:01.59 | UsamaAkkad | ok |
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| 06:04.08 | Manoj | BTW, what kernel version did we release lenny with? |
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| 06:04.53 | cast | 2.6.26 judging by my comp |
| 06:04.55 | dondelelcaro | Manoj: .26 |
| 06:05.56 | UsamaAkkad | ok good, does the netinst have GUI installer |
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| 06:18.57 | icedtea | whats a good monospaced font? |
| 06:19.12 | icedtea | for programming mainly |
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| 06:21.49 | bazz | is there a way to list all packages available from a particular archive (or is just zcat the Packages.gz the best option) |
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| 06:25.32 | daniel2 | umm |
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| 06:25.47 | daniel2 | samual is spamming an irc network.... |
| 06:25.50 | daniel2 | onjoin notice. |
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| 06:25.55 | xoz | icedtea: xlsfonts |
| 06:25.59 | daniel2 | or something like that. |
| 06:27.13 | hark | bazz: you can use aptitude, use ~A |
| 06:27.30 | hark | bazz: also /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 06:27.57 | hark | !ops samual onjoin spam |
| 06:27.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hark complains about: samual onjoin spam |
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| 06:28.28 | daniel2 | So... anyone able to get a X2600 Lexmark printer running on Lenny? |
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| 06:31.02 | stew | hark: thanks |
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| 06:31.33 | hark | thanks, daniel2 :) |
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| 06:33.23 | liable | thank me! |
| 06:34.05 | stew | group hug! |
| 06:34.16 | liable | !aww |
| 06:34.16 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 06:35.12 | gnuanu | apeter: നമസàµà´à´¾à´°à´ |
| 06:35.15 | gnuanu | :) |
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| 06:36.25 | bazz | hark: cool, thanks |
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| 06:44.49 | joss | anyone knows how too build debian kernel from source http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686? |
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| 06:45.23 | joss | i have there origin tarball and patch downloaded, apply that patch, but i can not see xen in configuration options, is there anything else i need to do? |
| 06:45.50 | joss | kinda do not not understand the readme there included |
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| 06:48.37 | joss | just seeing the log, that patch applies to debian/ drirectory rather then linux source files |
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| 06:49.30 | simonrvn | enable virtualization first, then configure |
| 06:49.39 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 06:50.05 | chris_ | hi |
| 06:50.22 | joss | simonrvn: for me you are tellong this? |
| 06:50.48 | joss | how i can do that? |
| 06:51.21 | simonrvn | who else was talking about virt here right now? ;). make menuconfig |
| 06:51.26 | joss | could you make it quicker i am running out of time here |
| 06:51.51 | simonrvn | i don't handhold |
| 06:52.23 | chris_ | what arch is armel? i first thought it is an litte endian arm, but arent all arm system litte endian? |
| 06:52.33 | joss | simonrvn: hmm, you think those patches are included when they are in debian directory |
| 06:52.49 | joss | this should be vanilla kernel, i can not even see debian notation in Makefile |
| 06:53.06 | joss | i think i should apply them first from debian/ subdir somehow? |
| 06:53.32 | simonrvn | joss: instead of asking me, why don't you go look at what it did, and what's in there? don't you think that would be quicker than wasting time asking me ? |
| 06:53.36 | joss | i allready enabled that, i need to get subarchidecture Xen, but did not get that. Kconfig is also empty of Xen |
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| 06:53.59 | simonrvn | if you were in such a hurry, and didn't know what you were doing, why did you embark on this? |
| 06:54.05 | joss | simonrvn: allready did, i do not understand that stuff |
| 06:54.05 | Ongavezirke | Aloha |
| 06:54.15 | Ongavezirke | Heavy trollz attak warning brothaz |
| 06:54.19 | Ongavezirke | Good morning |
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| 06:55.19 | joss | simonrvn: actually i see there is bin/patch.apply |
| 06:55.35 | simonrvn | joss: hint: man make-kpkg |
| 06:55.40 | joss | executing that before doing chmod a+x gives an python import error, and i am not a pythin fish |
| 06:55.43 | simonrvn | look for patch |
| 06:56.20 | joss | ah, ok, i have seen that when apt-geting..it does something similar.. |
| 06:56.56 | joss | quite new to debian, low band to use source for all the stuff and limited also |
| 06:58.36 | joss | anyways i do not have such command nor an for it, thought it was something else i guess |
| 06:58.46 | simonrvn | you see you'll have to devote some time to this i hope ;) |
| 06:58.52 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 06:58.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 07:01.11 | joss | yeah kernel-package, though this was a patch for vanilla's sublevel at first |
| 07:02.13 | joss | that diff file..well lemme see what it build from that source, seems like a waste of resources not applying that straight to the source, but i guess it's easier to build package after compiling |
| 07:02.42 | simonrvn | it's extra work, but yeh it's meant to work k-p |
| 07:02.48 | simonrvn | work with* |
| 07:05.07 | joss | simonrvn: does this thing also checks hardware and tried to guess configuration values? |
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| 07:06.25 | joss | uh, it's a whole new world.. |
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| 07:08.27 | joss | simonrvn: i do not think this is a building utility, that is just a packaging one..i need to patch kernel before building, can not find an entry for that procedure |
| 07:09.18 | joss | ah might be still.. |
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| 07:11.23 | joss | make-kpkg kernerl-source it seems most likely..from the kernels's root |
| 07:11.39 | joss | but searching those modules still yet |
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| 07:12.21 | Blaize | Morning all. Trying to set up psad, and I get the following error when I use the command suggested in the man page: "/var/lib/psad/psadfifo: No such file or directory echo: write error: Broken pipe" |
| 07:12.50 | Blaize | The file exists, and permissions are set to 776, so I'm not sure what's going on. |
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| 07:15.20 | joss | simonrvn: really i am bit of a hurry, seems there are patches needed to be applied as well:) |
| 07:17.56 | lubo | I can not find a libconfig.h. I have installed a libconfig-dev packages but its not there...any hints? |
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| 07:19.02 | joss | simonrvn: do i have to comma seperated add those, why not applying those all? |
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| 07:23.39 | joss | ah that's default, all |
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| 07:27.43 | joss | tar --bzip2 -cf linux-source-2.6.26.tar.bz2 linux-source-2.6.26 && \ |
| 07:27.43 | joss | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.50 | joss | can't possibly tar so long |
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| 07:32.25 | joss | simonrvn: thanx |
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| 07:34.06 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 07:34.28 | debian_noob | How do i install KDE4 on my Debian lenny? |
| 07:34.45 | debian_noob | I am running KDE3.5 |
| 07:35.04 | cast | i'd google KDE4, debian, lenny |
| 07:35.08 | iamwoody | hey guys, i have a problem with debian etch, run command dmesg,plenty of svc: bad direction 84934656, dropping request appeared,how can i fix the problem? thanks for any help |
| 07:35.16 | joss | no..prrrr. no patches applied with make-kpkg kernel-source, at least xen ones |
| 07:35.24 | debian_noob | etch if EOF |
| 07:36.05 | debian_noob | do i have to install it from the source code? |
| 07:36.28 | debian_noob | or do i have to add repos |
| 07:37.11 | bzed | debian_noob: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 07:37.17 | debian_noob | thanks |
| 07:37.25 | stew | !kde4 |
| 07:37.25 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
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| 07:41.18 | knittl_ | hi |
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| 07:41.48 | knittl_ | i want to setup a git server on debian. i found a howto on kernel.org |
| 07:42.01 | knittl_ | do i have to use DAV or are there any other options? |
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| 07:42.46 | stew | knittl_: if all the people that need to push the the repository(s) have ssh access, you don't really have to do anything |
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| 07:43.41 | knittl_ | stew: i don't want to give them ssh access |
| 07:43.44 | stew | knittl_: if you actually need to provide a git daemon for git:// access see /usr/share/doc/git-core/README.Debian |
| 07:44.30 | knittl_ | stew: that readme looks good, looking into it, thanks |
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| 07:57.15 | vanRossum | hi |
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| 07:57.22 | vanRossum | can i ask a question? |
| 07:57.27 | Mousey | cheers internets!! |
| 07:58.10 | vanRossum | i am trying to reach a domain from firefox using linux |
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| 07:58.48 | vanRossum | or trying to ping it but it says: ping: unknown host |
| 07:58.56 | cast | and what host is it? |
| 07:59.06 | vanRossum | with the same machine i boot to windows |
| 07:59.17 | vanRossum | in windows i can enter this site |
| 07:59.23 | vanRossum | and the ping is successful |
| 07:59.27 | vanRossum | whats the problem? |
| 08:00.13 | joss | that does not make much sence to manually patch the kerne, when dirs are like such debian/patches/series/{1,3,4,5,6} |
| 08:00.14 | vanRossum | plus, in linux i can reach this site over www.ktunnel.com or www.ztunnel.com |
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| 08:01.16 | freebse | hi whoever can spare some free time can help me solve this: I need to generate a bit mp3 from a m3u with cat, the mp3 needs to have all mp3 in it sorted the way the m3u is |
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| 08:02.40 | furrywolf | today's mostly off-topic question... does anyone here have a Pentax Optio S (or S-series) camera, and could take a close-up photo of the end of the usb cable for it? |
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| 08:04.31 | jelly-home | vanRossum: sounds like a resolver issue, what do your /etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf look like? Can you do a "dig @yourdns hostname"? |
| 08:05.57 | vanRossum | 1 sec i'll try |
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| 08:07.34 | vanRossum | i have only nss-config and resolveip under etc not the ones you've said |
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| 08:08.54 | joss | jelly-home: can you give me a hint how to apply all patches in debian/patches at once for kernel tree? |
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| 08:09.21 | karpe | can you give me hint abot lua????? |
| 08:09.44 | joss | or at least notating to them via path's not file by file, i guess they should apply somehow, since bin contains.patch.apply |
| 08:10.07 | lymeca | How do I make grub scan the /boot directory and find all kernels and update menu.lst accordingly? |
| 08:10.32 | joss | issue update-grub |
| 08:12.29 | maxagaz | when a kernel is recompiled, do i need other files than the kernel file to make it work on another machine ? |
| 08:12.49 | maxagaz | not recompiled, compiled from source |
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| 08:14.06 | bzed | maxagaz: if you can't answer this question on your own - are you sure you want to compile a kernel? |
| 08:14.30 | bzed | maxagaz: you need the modules, in case you build a kerne with modules. and probably create an initrd on that system, in case it uses an initrd |
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| 08:16.05 | DicsoOngavezir | Ola stew brotha |
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| 08:16.15 | DicsoOngavezir | Sziasztok dicsoseges testverek |
| 08:19.01 | vanRossum | jelly-home: i've discovered that i can enter the site from firefox if i dont write the www part of the address like http://mysite.com |
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| 08:21.46 | vanRossum | jelly-home: but i need to access mail.mysite.com |
| 08:22.04 | vanRossum | but it doesnt accept any prefixes like ftp, www or mail |
| 08:22.06 | vanRossum | why? |
| 08:24.17 | jelly-home | vanRossum: please answer my previous question; use a pastebin to show those files |
| 08:25.07 | Adrian` | Pastebin is ue friend |
| 08:25.18 | vanRossum | jelly-home: the two files you've said does not exist in my etc folder |
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| 08:25.47 | vanRossum | but the dig command worked |
| 08:25.51 | jelly-home | vanRossum: you don't have either /etc/nsswitch.conf or /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 08:26.01 | vanRossum | jelly-home: no |
| 08:26.07 | jelly-home | vanRossum: are you using debian? |
| 08:26.21 | vanRossum | jelly-home: im using pardus inux |
| 08:26.27 | vanRossum | linux |
| 08:26.31 | jelly-home | !based on |
| 08:26.31 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:27.00 | jelly-home | vanRossum: frankly I have no idea how to debug issues with that system. |
| 08:27.24 | vanRossum | jelly-home: no problem thank you |
| 08:27.56 | vanRossum | jelly-home: no one from other channels tried to help thats why i've asked here |
| 08:28.07 | LZNPDE | hey jelly, turns out the dpkg was hardware :x |
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| 08:28.20 | LZNPDE | the dpkg problem from yesterday that is.. |
| 08:28.24 | vanRossum | !dig |
| 08:28.25 | dpkg | somebody said dig was part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 08:28.47 | LZNPDE | thx for ur assistance thought :) |
| 08:28.51 | LZNPDE | -t |
| 08:29.07 | Keizer | Anyone here use the Intel ICH9R SATA raid? |
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| 08:29.52 | jelly-home | LZNPDE: eh, as long as you've figured it out |
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| 08:31.00 | xoz | LZNPDE: so it was really hardware? |
| 08:31.24 | xoz | LZNPDE: memory ? motherboard? |
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| 08:32.39 | dacs | howdy howdy folks |
| 08:33.15 | vanRossum | whats ur local time |
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| 08:34.41 | xoz | if i want to install all the docs available of the packages i already installed, is there an aptitude command to automatically pull these docs? |
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| 08:35.14 | xoz | is used to the automatic installation of docs as part of deps |
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| 08:36.45 | dacs | valdyn: 1:36am |
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| 08:38.53 | dacs | i need help formatting a USB stick |
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| 08:39.15 | Adrian` | man fdisk |
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| 08:40.01 | dacs | Adrian`: oh thanks for the help |
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| 08:40.23 | dacs | like i din't know that! |
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| 08:41.51 | DicsoOngavezir | szia balaszbela dicsoseges tesverem |
| 08:42.00 | xoz | dacs: still stuck with disk formatting? |
| 08:42.09 | xoz | dacs: parted /dev/sda |
| 08:42.14 | dacs | xoz: yes |
| 08:42.29 | dacs | xoz: no i didn't try that, but i got the pkg |
| 08:42.43 | dacs | xoz: let me try parted! |
| 08:42.47 | xoz | assuming you usb is in /dev/sda |
| 08:43.19 | dacs | xoz: do i unmount it first! no? |
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| 08:44.18 | Keizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.25 | xoz | dacs: umount |
| 08:44.34 | Keizer | It's an Adaptec Embedded SATA RAID |
| 08:44.44 | Keizer | Linux sees it as the Raid: ICH9R |
| 08:44.46 | xoz | dacs: press p to print the layout |
| 08:44.55 | xoz | dacs: i suppose you have 1 partition |
| 08:44.58 | Keizer | But it sees the individual disks |
| 08:45.01 | xoz | dacs: try, rm 1 |
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| 08:45.08 | xoz | dacs: to remove partition 1 |
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| 08:47.24 | xoz | dacs: report what's happening |
| 08:47.53 | xoz | dacs: type help |
| 08:48.03 | xoz | dacs: help mkpartfs |
| 08:48.08 | Gkarr | Hi there, An off-topic question(I am asking here because i think I get a good answer here): I have a mainboard with a Serial ATA - 150 connection. The online HW shop I am looking for harddisks lists only SATA-300 disks. Can I operate these disks on my connection? |
| 08:48.15 | xoz | dacs: follow it to create partition and fs |
| 08:49.26 | dacs | xoz: but here were i am lost! |
| 08:49.26 | xoz | dacs: did you do, rm 1? |
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| 08:49.26 | Keizer | Gkarr: You can |
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| 08:49.41 | dacs | xoz: see, when i plug in the USB stick ( in a M$uck, i see two (2) partitions, e.g E: and G:)! |
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| 08:50.35 | dacs | xoz: i am able to do what ever i want with G: , but when i try to access the E: to write/erase , i am not able ! |
| 08:50.39 | liable | hmm, gimp has decided its my default program for opening pdf's all of a sudden.. |
| 08:50.50 | Gkarr | Keizer: Thank you very much. |
| 08:50.57 | Gkarr | Bye. |
| 08:50.59 | xoz | dacs: the parition in E is how large? |
| 08:51.05 | xoz | dacs: df 0h |
| 08:51.07 | xoz | dacs: df -h |
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| 08:51.10 | asdzxc | hi |
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| 08:51.23 | asdzxc | i have problem with time - it's always late |
| 08:51.29 | asdzxc | and i can see these messages in dmesg |
| 08:51.39 | asdzxc | Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts |
| 08:51.54 | asdzxc | warning: many lost ticks. | rip __do_softirq+0x53/0xd5 |
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| 08:53.00 | asdzxc | i tried kernel parameter clock=pit and clock=pmtmr |
| 08:53.05 | asdzxc | but it didn't helped |
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| 08:53.09 | xingu | asdzxc: if the system concerned uses parallel ata (or ide) check that you're using udma rather than pio mode |
| 08:53.23 | xingu | asdzxc: that's usually the main offender. |
| 08:53.24 | dacs | xoz: in lenny, when i plug the USB it pops 2 windows in gnome 'AutoRun'(which is the one i am trying to erase) & disk which i am able to format when i did mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 08:53.58 | asdzxc | xingu ata ? ide ? but it's time problem |
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| 08:54.39 | asdzxc | xingu btw, it's system running inside KVM |
| 08:54.42 | dacs | xoz: it is 37.1 MB |
| 08:55.08 | daringsot | Besides a movie "Toy Story", is Debian linux distro anyhow related to the animated movie "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" ? I ask because something very strange happened when I was burning Lenny ISO images to a dvd disk. |
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| 08:57.12 | xingu | asdzxc: try disabling speedstep/c1e/eist in the host's bios. |
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| 08:57.47 | daringsot | I used torrents to download five ISO images for Debian 5.0, burned them all onto dvd disks, and in one of disks I got the animated movie "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". Good picture and colors though. |
| 08:58.07 | asdzxc | xingu hm, i can't reboot it |
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| 08:58.23 | daringsot | But I expected an iso image, not the cartoon. |
| 08:58.40 | daringsot | so maybe it's a joke or what ? |
| 08:58.43 | dacs | xoz: you there mate? |
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| 09:00.48 | asdzxc | xingu maybe if i turn off the power management ? |
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| 09:03.35 | fireba11 | need a filesystem suggestion for my new buildserver .. it'll have to handle large amounts of small files fast. currently i got 2,4 million files on there with only 75GB total size |
| 09:03.36 | asdzxc | xingu i run hwclock on that virtual and it freezes |
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| 09:04.06 | xingu | asdzxc: won't stop the system stepping its fsb and core; the next step is to try disabling speedstep/eist/c1e in bios |
| 09:04.34 | OpenTokix | fireba11: 2.5 million files is nothing |
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| 09:05.52 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: i expect the new server to have several times that amount though |
| 09:06.57 | OpenTokix | fireba11: Just get more drive space, not like drives are expensive and be done with it |
| 09:07.03 | joltcan | fireba11: If the files are small, use a small block size, otherwise it doesn't really matter |
| 09:07.04 | asdzxc | xingu i really can't reboot the host. and it's about 300 KM from me now |
| 09:07.26 | OpenTokix | fireba11: only time it will matter is when you have to delete many million files, that takes time on ext3 |
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| 09:08.42 | freebse | hi how can I make a big mp3 file from a m3u file > I tried with mplayer -dumpaudio etc |
| 09:08.50 | Keizer | I hate foo-foo raid. It's a gimmick software raid.... |
| 09:09.10 | OpenTokix | Areca 12xx - very nice and supported directly in debian lenny |
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| 09:09.42 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: that's the point. build process gets several thousand files from cvs, runs the build and then deletes the files again. so that should be fast, was thinking about xfs |
| 09:09.52 | amitz | !codecs |
| 09:09.52 | dpkg | well, codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 09:10.11 | amitz | !w32codecs |
| 09:10.11 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 09:10.21 | OpenTokix | fireba11: sounds sensible then - if you don't want to shrink the FS ever |
| 09:10.50 | amitz | !debian-multimedia |
| 09:10.51 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 09:10.52 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: why? can't i shrink xfs? and no i don't expect that i'll ever do that |
| 09:11.06 | OpenTokix | fireba11: no, you can't shrink xfs |
| 09:11.18 | dacs | !tell amitz about msg dpkg |
| 09:11.26 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: interesting. i never tried |
| 09:11.38 | OpenTokix | fireba11: you can however grow it |
| 09:12.01 | OpenTokix | cvs =) |
| 09:12.13 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: okay, thanks. not sure yet if i use LVM on top of the obligatory raid or not :-) |
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| 09:12.32 | OpenTokix | fireba11: depending on your raid |
| 09:12.56 | OpenTokix | fireba11: but if you have a stand alone raid-pack - there is lots of speed to be won by partition the raid in many logical drives and assemble lvm |
| 09:13.25 | OpenTokix | fireba11: since one cpu of the raid-system can only work on one volume at the time, if you have many volumes - there is a good load balancing to be done over the volumes |
| 09:15.20 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: i'll only use software raid :_) |
| 09:16.18 | OpenTokix | fireba11: ok |
| 09:16.37 | fireba11 | OpenTokix: the box will be a lot faster and more reliable than our old buildserver anyway. old box is P4 2,4 HT with a single regular HD and windows .. new one will be quadcore with software raid5 |
| 09:16.43 | fireba11 | and linux .. |
| 09:16.53 | OpenTokix | fireba11: hehe |
| 09:17.07 | OpenTokix | fireba11: you should have one of my servers I just installed =) |
| 09:17.21 | OpenTokix | fireba11: eight cores, 8G ram, hard-ware raid6 (6T in total) |
| 09:17.26 | OpenTokix | fireba11: very very nice machine |
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| 09:18.16 | fireba11 | : OpenTokix neat. don't have the need or the budget for that though |
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| 09:19.45 | heroxbd | Hey, guys. I want to manipulate a binary file. I find there are some "ASCII text" in it. Can I replace the string with another one without destroying the binary file? |
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| 09:21.32 | jelly | heroxbd: if you match the size, probably |
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| 09:21.44 | jelly | s/size/length/ |
| 09:21.49 | liable | with a hex editor.. |
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| 09:22.08 | jelly | or any decent text editor with an overwrite feature |
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| 09:22.29 | jelly | apt-cache search hexedit will probably show some apps |
| 09:22.58 | heroxbd | jelly: with emacs hexl mode, it does not allow me to alter the size of the string |
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| 09:23.15 | jelly | heroxbd: do not change the size of the string. |
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| 09:24.10 | heroxbd | jelly: Is there an editor that can automaticly shift the string size? |
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| 09:24.38 | heroxbd | jelly: or in principle it is forbiden? there are addresses insite a hex file? |
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| 09:25.00 | jelly | heroxbd: you're likely to break the file structure if you that, so yes, it's not going to work |
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| 09:27.33 | simonrvn | OpenTokix: how much did that thing run you? a lot i bet. arch? |
| 09:28.14 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: 4k dollar |
| 09:28.36 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: no, I have something called a "job", where I work with computers. I have another mythical beeing called a "girlfriend" to =) |
| 09:29.03 | simonrvn | OpenTokix: your point being? |
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| 09:29.30 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: Trying to make a funny |
| 09:29.30 | henry-nicolas | hello everybody, I got a small problem with Nautilus in Lenny. When I try to eject an empty dvd reader, it told me that there is no media in the drive, thus, it can't be mounted (while I'm just asking for an eject), any idea on some work around ? |
| 09:30.04 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: "I" guess it didn't wo"rk" |
| 09:30.16 | simonrvn | no, not really ;) |
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| 09:30.47 | OpenTokix | haha |
| 09:30.57 | OpenTokix | simonrvn: I didn't buy it privatly |
| 09:30.58 | OpenTokix | no |
| 09:31.08 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 09:31.31 | OpenTokix | It pulls almost 400W power idle =) |
| 09:31.40 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 09:31.59 | jelly | somewhere, 20 laptops sit powered off |
| 09:32.47 | simonrvn | i'd be happy with dual-processor and a decent system bus to go with that |
| 09:33.13 | ghosTM55 | hi all , i can't startup my eclipse(ganymede) on lenny these days , how come ? anyone met the same problem ? |
| 09:38.08 | Keizer | Where are the network config scripts stored? |
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| 09:42.52 | H2S04 | Keizer, /etc/network/ |
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| 09:47.10 | almost | I have set up a small mail2news service on lenny server how do I resolve mail2news@mydomain.net with hostname? |
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| 09:49.49 | ethanol | Erf. |
| 09:49.53 | ethanol | What package does isql belong to? |
| 09:50.11 | liable | ethanol: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:50.24 | ethanol | Cheers |
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| 09:50.35 | ethanol | <dpkg> wish i knew |
| 09:50.36 | ethanol | ): |
| 09:50.47 | liable | typo |
| 09:50.52 | ethanol | Oh my bad |
| 09:51.10 | roadi | hey i'd like to know the package name which includes the nice debian swirl for the console login screen; thx :) |
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| 09:51.31 | liable | roadi: gdm iirc, kdm prolly has it as a theme too |
| 09:51.41 | almost | liable: how are thins down under? |
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| 09:51.47 | almost | things |
| 09:51.53 | roadi | liable: for the console ;) |
| 09:51.55 | liable | almost: very well at the moment |
| 09:52.12 | liable | roadi: erm, describe it |
| 09:52.19 | roadi | wait... |
| 09:52.21 | liable | never heard of such a thing |
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| 09:53.21 | roadi | liable: take a look to the last picture at this link http://www.xinux.de/docs/linux/debian/wasistdebiangnu.html#AEN904 |
| 09:54.02 | liable | oh, an ascii swirl |
| 09:54.19 | roadi | yes :D |
| 09:54.46 | liable | you could copy that into /etc/motd or something i guess. not sure if there is a package for it |
| 09:55.16 | almost | liable: can I ask you to take a peek at my simple missive when you have a minute |
| 09:55.29 | roadi | yes but its not colored and i like colors ;) |
| 09:55.42 | liable | you can ask, sure ;) |
| 09:56.02 | almost | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.26 | liable | !hostname |
| 09:56.27 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname', or see /etc/mailname |
| 09:56.27 | roadi | liable: i got it - the package name is linuxlogo :) thx |
| 09:56.46 | liable | roadi: cool, /me takes note for future reference |
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| 09:57.32 | almost | liable: thanks I thought it was a DNS issue |
| 09:58.25 | liable | well, it could be. im not sure exactly what your problem is |
| 09:58.49 | liable | can someone send mail to mail.yourdomain.net? |
| 09:59.07 | christoz | good morning everyone, one question, the xv ports availability has to do with the vga driver ? |
| 09:59.07 | almost | yes |
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| 10:00.14 | christoz | can i configure it to provide more than one simultaneously? |
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| 10:01.51 | valdyn | christoz: you pretty much cant configure this |
| 10:02.03 | valdyn | christoz: some drivers / hardware will provide more than one, some wont |
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| 10:02.26 | almost | liable: in/etc/hostname I have mail.mydomain.net |
| 10:02.52 | christoz | valdyn, what about the famous Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device ? |
| 10:03.11 | valdyn | christoz: i have no idea |
| 10:03.12 | almost | maybe i nee to add mail2news.mydomain.net |
| 10:03.18 | almost | need |
| 10:03.26 | valdyn | christoz: its probably to old and slow to have more than one |
| 10:03.51 | jberg | hey, i've switched to amd64 kernel now and i've run a simple benchmark which comes with gnome and it did a little better, so thats cool. but still i get a few weird msgs at boot id like to fix. like clockevent: could not switch to one-shot-mode, lapic is not functional. ata1: softreset failed (device not ready). (ata disk is sata, scsi or pata, i don't know) driver sd needs updating, please use bus_type and some other stuff from dmesg. and i thi |
| 10:03.56 | valdyn | christoz: modern drivers and chips do all this with the 3D engine anyway and can easily have more than 1 |
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| 10:04.04 | jberg | this is a dell latitude d531 btw |
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| 10:04.37 | christoz | valdyn, hope this stands also with mine one :P |
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| 10:05.03 | valdyn | christoz: if yours does not you could use -vo gl alternatively for a 2nd somewhat well performing display |
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| 10:05.27 | valdyn | christoz: but i cant tell if your chip is even fast enough for -vo gl on high res movies |
| 10:05.43 | valdyn | christoz: -vo gl is an mplayer switch |
| 10:07.52 | valdyn | christoz: though you probably cannot play blue ray resolutions anyway |
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| 10:08.15 | Adrian` | i just got a fail to install network config when trying to install testing |
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| 10:09.45 | fengor | sigh i swear the stable lenny is more unstable than lenny in testing ever was |
| 10:09.47 | christoz | oh didn't know that, and thanks fot telling, i've noticed while I'm having video call with skype, there is no availble xv port for the incoming video, the first port (and the only as xorg recognizes) is kept by home video display (my camera view), and the incoming video is full of noise cause there is no xv port availablr |
| 10:09.52 | christoz | valdyn, |
| 10:10.13 | Adrian` | fengor, i'm going to be installing lenny now |
| 10:10.30 | Adrian` | because testing failed :( |
| 10:10.46 | jberg | and also, how do i know if i use acpi or apm and install one of those packages? |
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| 10:19.25 | ubd | ERROR: ieee80211.h not found in '/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/include'. |
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| 10:23.58 | Geek`N`Proud | fengor: i've never had any issues with lenny since testing |
| 10:24.08 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 10:24.12 | Geek`N`Proud | fengor: I don't think it being stable has made it any less stable |
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| 10:24.45 | Geek`N`Proud | fengor: though I know what you mean |
| 10:24.54 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: hi hi =] |
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| 10:25.55 | dury | I got a doubt |
| 10:26.16 | dury | hang on .... |
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| 10:27.10 | fengor | Geek`N`Proud: well while lenny was still in testing the installer at least worked for me. sicne its stable it hangs at a certain step and i have to manually kill the process involved to be able to continue |
| 10:27.28 | Geek`N`Proud | fengor: text based install is where it hangs right? |
| 10:27.42 | fengor | and the hotkey stuff for my thinkpad worked a lot better back then then now in stable |
| 10:27.48 | Geek`N`Proud | I found text based install would spew CD reading errors on a netinstall |
| 10:27.50 | fengor | text and gui based |
| 10:27.58 | fengor | both in expert mode. |
| 10:28.07 | fengor | it hangs when it finished downloading packages |
| 10:28.19 | fengor | i dont get any cd reading errors |
| 10:28.20 | Geek`N`Proud | hmmm that's weird |
| 10:28.53 | fengor | cosnole says it finished downloading 79x packes of 79x while installer waits for 80y packes to be finished downloading |
| 10:29.20 | Geek`N`Proud | that needs to be reported as a critical bug |
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| 10:29.49 | fengor | I'll try to reproduce it again over the weekend to be sure its not just a fluke with my system |
| 10:30.14 | ham\lton5 | I want the new gnome 2.26 with my lenny:( |
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| 10:30.25 | fengor | i'll be setting up a dual boot system anyway since i need a working system for work and lenny is everything but on my thinkpad atm |
| 10:30.33 | ubd | http://pastebin.com/m62a830af |
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| 10:31.22 | dury | I have this motherboard gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2 with core 2 duo - 4 GB RAM - great nvidia card on it... I wish to install debian on it if it's possible 32 bits |
| 10:31.54 | OpenTokix | dury: just do it(tm) |
| 10:31.57 | Geek`N`Proud | it's possible to install a 32-bit Debian on it |
| 10:32.03 | Geek`N`Proud | but 64-bit is a better option |
| 10:32.18 | Geek`N`Proud | 1GB and above has reduced performance on 32-bit platforms |
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| 10:32.37 | dury | someone could drive me |
| 10:32.59 | dury | why 64bit will be better |
| 10:33.02 | ubd | how do i install ieee80211 |
| 10:33.33 | cast | the future is 64bit PCs, and it works now :) |
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| 10:33.37 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: because HIGHMEM support in Linux for addressing over 1GB of RAM on 32-bit reduces performance |
| 10:33.56 | maligor | you get more bits! |
| 10:34.20 | maligor | amd64 also enables all the fancy SSE math optimizations by default |
| 10:34.32 | dury | but most application nowadays is develop in 32 bits |
| 10:34.35 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: also 64-bit native mode is quicker than 32-bit compatibility mode in both EM64T and AMD64 |
| 10:34.43 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: erm... not true |
| 10:34.55 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: in open source most apps can be compiled for almost every architecture |
| 10:35.01 | maligor | most linux applications are portable these days for all bitness |
| 10:35.09 | Keizer | Beep |
| 10:35.17 | Geek`N`Proud | that makes approx. 95% of FLOSS 64-bit ready |
| 10:35.18 | Keizer | How can I install GCC on debian lenny? |
| 10:35.33 | Geek`N`Proud | Keizer: apt-get install gcc-4.3 |
| 10:35.33 | streuner_ | aptitude install gcc |
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| 10:35.39 | maligor | install build-essential |
| 10:35.52 | maligor | having just the compiler might not be what you really want |
| 10:36.03 | Geek`N`Proud | good point |
| 10:36.08 | Keizer | gcc has no installation candidate |
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| 10:36.19 | streuner_ | Keizer: apt-cache search gcc |
| 10:36.25 | Geek`N`Proud | Keizer: specify a version like gcc-4.3 or gcc-4.1 |
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| 10:36.40 | Geek`N`Proud | both can be installed to the same time |
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| 10:36.54 | Geek`N`Proud | 4.1 is needed for kernel modules and 4.3 is best for making userland parts |
| 10:37.11 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 10:37.16 | dury | Gee`N`Proud: drive me to the url to download the iso 32bit please to burn it |
| 10:37.17 | maligor | or for being a syntax nazi |
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| 10:37.32 | ubd | how do i install ieee80211 |
| 10:37.38 | dury | Gee`N`Proud: or 64bit |
| 10:37.38 | OpenTokix | Geek`N`Proud: Are you pulling your info directly out of your ass, or did you cut'n'paste from gentoo-fanboi.net ? |
| 10:37.47 | streuner_ | !listkeys 80211 |
| 10:37.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of '80211' by key returned no results. |
| 10:37.49 | maligor | ubd, err? wifi? |
| 10:38.00 | ubd | yes wifi ipw2200 |
| 10:38.08 | maligor | you need the firmware for ipw2200 |
| 10:38.11 | Keizer | Crap virtualbox is being a hater |
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| 10:38.13 | streuner_ | ubd: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 10:38.15 | dury | Gee`N`Proud: is lenny stable and reliable |
| 10:38.24 | Geek`N`Proud | OpenTokix: getting it from nvidia-installer which informs me the binary kernels included with Debian were made using 4.1 |
| 10:38.30 | Keizer | It gives me a list of programs it wants to install but says are not installable |
| 10:38.46 | streuner_ | Keizer: apt-cache search gcc? |
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| 10:39.09 | Keizer | streuner_: I found that as like gcc-4.3-base or something like that |
| 10:39.16 | Keizer | But virtualbox looks for the package name gcc |
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| 10:39.25 | Keizer | It's also looking for packages like libxcursor1 |
| 10:39.35 | streuner_ | Keizer: what branch? unstable? |
| 10:39.37 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: is lenny stable and reliable |
| 10:39.40 | OpenTokix | Geek`N`Proud: It is not _better_ for that, just informing you that it was compiled with 4.1 and you need to compile your own modules with 4.1 if you want to use it with running kernel. |
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| 10:39.46 | OpenTokix | dury: yes |
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| 10:40.00 | ubd | maligor: http://pastebin.com/m4a879abe |
| 10:40.02 | maligor | unless you compile the kernel with 4.3 :P |
| 10:40.05 | Geek`N`Proud | OpenTokix: then why is it done that way when 4.3 works? |
| 10:40.40 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: could you drive me to the url to download the iso 32bit please to burn it |
| 10:40.41 | maligor | ubd, err.. the driver is included in lenny |
| 10:40.43 | OpenTokix | maligor: yes |
| 10:40.52 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: sure, 1 sec |
| 10:40.54 | maligor | ubd, you just need to install the firmware package and it'll work automagicaly |
| 10:40.58 | OpenTokix | Geek`N`Proud: Because you should have something to ask about. |
| 10:41.22 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: really appreciate your help believe me :) |
| 10:41.43 | dacs | liable: are you busy? |
| 10:41.49 | ubd | what is that package wheres it what is its name |
| 10:41.50 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable <-- choose i386 with whatever image you decide to download |
| 10:42.04 | maligor | ubd, firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 10:42.08 | maligor | it's in non-free |
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| 10:42.22 | liable | dacs: not really, why? |
| 10:42.28 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: I wanna netinstall |
| 10:42.43 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: okay 1 sec |
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| 10:42.59 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-500-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:43.00 | ubd | allright done thanks |
| 10:43.02 | dacs | liable: i am trying to format a usb stick, but it seem that it doesn't accept it |
| 10:43.07 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: that is 32-bit netinstall |
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| 10:43.24 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: is it lenny stable |
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| 10:44.00 | dacs | liable: when i plug in the USB stick ( in a M$uck, i see two (2) partitions, e.g E: and G:)! |
| 10:44.03 | liable | dacs: whenever mkfs doesnt work, it usually pays to dd /dev.zero to the first sector then run fdisk on it again then mkfs |
| 10:44.34 | dacs | liable: mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:45.11 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: yes |
| 10:45.18 | maligor | dacs, maybe it's one of those locked sticks? |
| 10:45.49 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: that is the official release ISO, which means it's the stable branch =] |
| 10:46.14 | dacs | liable: maligor :in lenny, when i plug the USB it pops 2 windows in gnome 'AutoRun'(which is the one i am trying to erase) & disk which i am able to format when i did mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 10:46.29 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: great... really appreciate you help in the future I will install 64 bit one |
| 10:46.41 | liable | dacs: just run fdisk on it first |
| 10:46.56 | liable | dacs: delete all partitions, then make a new one |
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| 10:47.09 | Geek`N`Proud | dury: you're welcome =] |
| 10:47.18 | dacs | liable: how thats what i am trying to do! |
| 10:47.31 | dury | Geek`N`Proud: thank you :) |
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| 10:47.54 | liable | dacs: i said.... with fdisk |
| 10:47.56 | dury | the more I use linux the more I like it |
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| 10:49.15 | ubd | well i am confused, what is the wireless device now eth1? how do i check if its installed ok |
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| 10:52.04 | dacs | liable: 'Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)' when i tried to create dos partition with 'o' option" |
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| 10:53.23 | Ongavezirke | Hozsanna brotha'z |
| 10:53.26 | dacs | liable: http://paste.debian.net/31048/ |
| 10:53.28 | Ongavezirke | dobar dan |
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| 10:55.02 | dacs | what shall i do ? |
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| 10:57.11 | p0g0 | dacs: let it do the fix, so just carry on with fdisk. |
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| 10:57.39 | dacs | p0g0: so should i reboot |
| 10:57.46 | jelly | Ongavezirke: probaj engleski |
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| 10:58.21 | ubd | argh this wireless is not working |
| 10:58.47 | p0g0 | dacs: I'd try just formatting it if the fdisk went OK, which it sounds like it did. |
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| 10:59.28 | dacs | p0g0: so just do mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdb |
| 11:00.10 | p0g0 | dacs: you set up a partition with fdisk? Use that partition, the command you gave is wrong, it specifeis the whole device, not the partition. |
| 11:00.21 | alexxoid_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.37 | p0g0 | dacs: so likely it's /dev/dsb1 |
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| 11:00.42 | dacs | p0g0: i don't understand |
| 11:01.05 | dacs | p0g0: can i start from scratch |
| 11:01.05 | p0g0 | oops |
| 11:01.10 | p0g0 | my typo |
| 11:01.16 | p0g0 | dacs: /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:01.45 | dacs | p0g0: fdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 11:02.01 | dacs | i want to erase every single partition on the USB |
| 11:02.46 | p0g0 | dacs: yes that is a job for fdisk, I thought you had already done that, by the error message you mentioned a moment ago. |
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| 11:03.39 | dacs | p0g0: ok,so how do i formatted |
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| 11:05.19 | p0g0 | dacs: Assuming that you used fdisk to _create_ partiton 1 on the device, then you would format that first partiton with mkdosfs -F 32 -I /dev/sdb1 |
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| 11:08.09 | dacs | p0g0: nope that didn't work |
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| 11:08.36 | Ongavezirke | sziasztok dicsoseges tesverek |
| 11:09.15 | nse | Hello everybody. Does anyone know a way to reload previous opened applicatives when restarting twm? |
| 11:09.44 | p0g0 | dacs: it sounds like you should read up on fdisk and mkfs. |
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| 11:11.07 | p0g0 | dacs: you have three things to do: use fdisk to delete the existing partitions, then use fdisk (in the same session if you like) to create a new primary partition, partition 1, then use mkfs to format that partition. |
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| 11:12.24 | Trewas | nse: twm, really? software from the eighties may have some features missing compared to more modern stuff :) |
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| 11:15.11 | nse | Trewas: Well all I can tell you is that I felt in love with it since I borowed a new monitor which has a very large and cpu consuming screen. It goes the wristles and I finally have a fast and working desktop. It`s like free off unrelated-media and prop-ups - in the point - good. However a bit troubling to set new windows all the time the application is on. |
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| 11:15.40 | Giusy | ciao |
| 11:15.44 | Giusy | ci siete |
| 11:15.46 | nse | Trewas: but what are you talking about? Is there some other wm which I might try? |
| 11:15.47 | Giusy | ragazzi |
| 11:15.53 | Giusy | male ?? |
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| 11:16.26 | Trewas | nse: you can manually define which programs are started when X starts with ~/.xinitrc |
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| 11:17.33 | nse | Trewas: But I do have a gnome desktop manager. |
| 11:17.41 | osfd | Hi, Im kind of fed up with skype (<== true story) and I would like to try a SIP service. wengophone is in the repos, is it good or should I try another one ?? |
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| 11:17.51 | nse | So I am afraid it starts x before starting twm. |
| 11:18.13 | bonez46 | I am booted up with a live cd .. on my system.. need to rebuild my grub/menu.lst.. is there a way to do this. running from live cd? |
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| 11:19.59 | dacs | p0g0: now when i insert the usb i only get one window, which is the one that i want to erase! |
| 11:21.01 | dacs | the filesystem on that one is iso 9660! |
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| 11:21.39 | dacs | and the funny thing is that when i write click on it from gnome to umount it , i don't see umount, i see eject |
| 11:21.41 | bonez46 | anyone know a reference for the commands to use grub.. to step through.. for rebuilding grub? |
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| 11:22.02 | petemc | bonez46: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 11:22.28 | petemc | or , if you prefer the grub shell, use root (hd0,1) , setup (hd0) |
| 11:22.35 | petemc | adjust to suit |
| 11:22.50 | p0g0 | dacs: try the three things I listed, and maybe after you try the first two things-reading up on fdisk and mkfs. It is possible that you have a USB stick that has it's own formatter onboard, if so, chuck it and get one that works. |
| 11:23.03 | nse | It is a good time to kick gdm out of my box. |
| 11:23.38 | bonez46 | petemc: I have the grub prompt.. and the drive I want is (hd1,0) |
| 11:24.02 | petemc | so use the setup command |
| 11:24.19 | bonez46 | it says Error 17: cannot mount selected partition |
| 11:24.28 | petemc | did you specify root first? |
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| 11:27.45 | bonez46 | petemc: yes, with root (hd1,0) |
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| 11:28.09 | dacs | p0g0: so i can't erase that lunch pad at all |
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| 11:28.48 | petemc | bonez46: what exact setup command did you run? |
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| 11:30.00 | p0g0 | dacs: I can't tell if yuo have used fdisk correctly or not- you might practice on an old hard drive or another usb stick to see if you are doing it right. |
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| 11:31.02 | dacs | p0g0: have you ever had a usb stick that once you insert it, it will pop up a lunch pad menu?! |
| 11:31.11 | enouf | dacs: try /msg dpkg uninstall u3 |
| 11:31.23 | enouf | !u3 uninstall |
| 11:31.33 | bonez46 | petemc: well, I ran 'root (hd1,1).. but .. let me pastebin it .. just a minute.. |
| 11:31.48 | enouf | er ... was right the 1st time |
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| 11:32.23 | enouf | dacs: /msg dpkg u3 (for some u3 crap info) |
| 11:32.31 | p0g0 | dacs: I have heard of such, but I wouldn't own one. There are USB sticks that have additonal hardware the pushes executables onto your main ssytem and other Highly Offensive things- not fit to own. |
| 11:33.00 | petemc | bonez46: it should be just 2 commands, root (hd0,1) setup (hd1) |
| 11:33.33 | petemc | erm, root (hd1,0) , even |
| 11:33.58 | bonez46 | http://pastebin.ca/1366113 |
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| 11:34.09 | bonez46 | that's for hdparm -I /dev/sdb |
| 11:34.32 | bonez46 | petemc: I am still trying to hit the correct partition with stage1 and 2 on it.. |
| 11:34.44 | petemc | hit? |
| 11:35.15 | abrotman | petemc: you know .. sometimes you miss ... |
| 11:35.18 | petemc | find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 11:35.35 | petemc | abrotman: ah, of course |
| 11:35.45 | petemc | bonez46: the grub shell has find |
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| 11:36.32 | bonez46 | hmmm it can't find stage1 on any of those partitions.. |
| 11:36.39 | petemc | bonez46: what command did you use? |
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| 11:40.58 | dacs | enouf: yea, i think i will need a speacial USB controler to format ti |
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| 11:41.39 | Jessica_R | help! after update my debian box, i found i cannot login as a normal user, the server returns: "authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" where can I check the log & debug info? |
| 11:41.53 | bonez46 | petemc: ok, I am booted up with live cd.. not on the hard drive, I want to activate. .. how will find 'find' anything on the hdd, since it's not yet mounted? |
| 11:41.54 | Jessica_R | the root still can logged in anyway |
| 11:42.00 | maligor | Jessica_R, update from what? |
| 11:42.06 | maligor | and to what? |
| 11:42.31 | dacs | Jessica_R: are you ssh or in the server it self |
| 11:42.38 | Jessica_R | I am currently using the sid branch i think |
| 11:42.50 | Jessica_R | in the workstation itself |
| 11:43.08 | maligor | sid huh |
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| 11:43.23 | maligor | let me see if I can login still, heh |
| 11:43.28 | abrotman | hit ctrl-alt-f1 .. login at the console |
| 11:43.43 | Jessica_R | where can I see the logs or I can use debug approach to see the login process? |
| 11:43.45 | bonez46 | petemc: here's a question.. I know nothing about ext4.. but when I attempt to mount the drives... it gives an error.. telling me my OS doesn't have EXT4 support.. and yet.. those partitions clearly show EXT3 at the file system in use.. |
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| 11:44.13 | petemc | bonez46: helping you is too annoying, you dont answer the questions you're asked |
| 11:44.25 | petemc | so i give up |
| 11:44.28 | maligor | Jessica_R, /var/log/auth.log I guess |
| 11:44.33 | Jessica_R | ok, I got the log info in var/log/auth.log |
| 11:44.37 | cast | Jessica_R: and is it a stand alone machine, or auths over the network? |
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| 11:45.11 | Jessica_R | well it has a local auth files in /etc/passwd and a ldap backup |
| 11:45.25 | abrotman | can you login at the console ? |
| 11:45.26 | Jessica_R | the nsswitch entry is set up as : files ldap |
| 11:45.36 | bonez46 | petemc: I'll answer it.. let me scroll back. hold on |
| 11:45.54 | Jessica_R | ok, it says pam_ldap: ldap_starttls_s connect error ... |
| 11:46.13 | Jessica_R | this is wired... I havent touched such things for years |
| 11:46.23 | maligor | sid breaks packages sometimes |
| 11:46.25 | bonez46 | I used root (hdx,x) and then setup (hdx,x) for all partitions.. and apparently, despite ext3 being the file system in use on some of those. it could not find stage1 anywhere.. |
| 11:46.30 | maligor | you should be aware of that if you use it :P |
| 11:46.52 | petemc | bonez46: root (hdx,y) setup (hdx) |
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| 11:47.06 | Jessica_R | yeah, I know, my friend set up the machine for me, but he goes out for holidays . |
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| 11:47.17 | maligor | Jessica_R, you could see dpkg.log and see what was updated of recent |
| 11:47.25 | Jessica_R | ok |
| 11:47.25 | cast | friends dont let friends use sid! |
| 11:47.44 | bonez46 | sigh.. I went through each numbers option, first for root (hd0,0) then (hd1,0) and so forth for all the partitions on both drives.. |
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| 11:48.34 | bonez46 | http://pastebin.ca/1366113 this paste has 'sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdb' output in it |
| 11:48.36 | maligor | Jessica_R, but it might be rather fruitless since sid gets lots of updates |
| 11:48.51 | maligor | I guess one could grep for ldap or tls |
| 11:48.53 | Jessica_R | i seen it |
| 11:48.54 | maligor | or pam |
| 11:48.54 | negge | I have the drives on my fileserver mounted using Samba (CIFS). Whenever I try to unpack a movie using the gui (right-click --> Extract here) it doesn't understand to unpack it directly on the server instead it transfers the file back and forth through my PC so the unpacking gets very slow. Any way to get around this (ie. would using NFS instead work?) |
| 11:49.05 | Jessica_R | sure ,I am diggin |
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| 11:49.53 | cast | negge: login to the server |
| 11:50.19 | petemc | bonez46: you should probably exercise some care when using the grub shell |
| 11:50.23 | Jessica_R | today the libgnutls has been updated to 2.6.4-2 |
| 11:50.37 | cast | negge: if you try to unpack it on your desktop, it'll have to transfer the compressed version over the network to your desktop, and the uncompressed version from your desktop back to the server |
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| 11:51.01 | bonez46 | petemc: oh, what do I need to watch out for? |
| 11:51.21 | bonez46 | right now, I can't boot up or access either drive in my system.. |
| 11:51.42 | petemc | bonez46: if you run setup everywhere you could create problem |
| 11:51.43 | petemc | s |
| 11:52.12 | Polleke | negge, it transfers the unpacked file from your pc back on to the network drive? Thats probably an issue with your gui tool |
| 11:52.17 | petemc | bonez46: if you have a live cd, the instructions from /msg dpkg fixmbr should be relevant |
| 11:53.45 | bonez46 | hell, I'd just like to run setup one place and have it work.. I am booted up with a live cd.. what's to corrupt here? but when I attempt to mount.. I get errors.. .. such as |
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| 11:53.55 | bonez46 | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t autofs /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2 |
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| 11:54.03 | bonez46 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, |
| 11:55.38 | cast | bonez46: #debian bro, #debian. |
| 11:55.42 | bonez46 | this drive, has both xp and linux installed on and... |
| 11:55.48 | bonez46 | eh? |
| 11:55.55 | bonez46 | debian.. yes.. debiian. |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | bonez46: go to #ubuntu for support with buntu |
| 11:56.03 | petemc | hes using a live cd, no? |
| 11:56.06 | abrotman | is he? |
| 11:56.14 | petemc | aiui |
| 11:56.14 | abrotman | or has he named his Debian box 'ubuntu' ? :) |
| 11:56.19 | bonez46 | the drive I am trying to mount has DEBIAN installed on it.. not ubuntu\ |
| 11:56.28 | bonez46 | ]f%^&*()*&^*()_kk.. |
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| 11:56.52 | petemc | fdisk -l /dev/sdv |
| 11:56.56 | petemc | sdb |
| 11:57.00 | maligor | you can fix superblock |
| 11:57.00 | bonez46 | I am trying to mount a DEBIAN drive..and after all , all the debian derivatives.. . ubuntu and all the rest.. debian is the core.. |
| 11:57.12 | bonez46 | maligor: how do I fix superblock? |
| 11:57.25 | maligor | what did you do to it?-) |
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| 11:57.49 | OpenTokix | I am going to name my next debianbox to ubuntu |
| 11:57.58 | bonez46 | abrotman: the live cd I am booted with is an ubuntu 8.10 disk.. but the drive I am attempting to mount and access has D E B I A N installed on it.. what's the matter with that? |
| 11:58.07 | maligor | testdisk should work for one, I imagine e2fsck would also |
| 11:58.11 | petemc | bonez46: pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 11:58.17 | cast | thats an interesting question, would one support one trying to mount a debian drive from windows? |
| 11:58.20 | OpenTokix | bonez46: what petemc said |
| 11:58.43 | maligor | but filesystem rescue is always risky |
| 11:58.44 | OpenTokix | bonez46: fair enough, just do what petemc said. |
| 11:59.23 | bonez46 | http://pastebin.ca/1366119 |
| 11:59.34 | bonez46 | I just did.. Open.. is that what you mean? |
| 11:59.48 | bonez46 | I just did what petemc said......... |
| 12:00.03 | abrotman | bonez46: ignore me |
| 12:00.18 | bonez46 | abrotman: not ignoring you.. let me scroll .. hold on |
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| 12:00.53 | abrotman | bonez46: that's not what i meant .. continue with whomever was helpingy ou |
| 12:00.56 | OpenTokix | bonez46: what happens if you remove -t? |
| 12:01.24 | bonez46 | let's see abrotman .. is it the remark about me naming my box. ubuntu. or debianbox.. or whatever.. or what? |
| 12:01.39 | bonez46 | oh, abrotman.. sorry.. with the heat.. I was confused. |
| 12:01.48 | petemc | take a deep breath... |
| 12:02.11 | bonez46 | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2 |
| 12:02.11 | bonez46 | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 12:02.19 | maligor | ... |
| 12:02.22 | bonez46 | that's what happens without the -t file system descriptor |
| 12:02.30 | maligor | you use grub? |
| 12:02.37 | negge | Polleke: cast it's kinda hard to explain but it seems like it cannot unpack the files directly on the server it has to "go through" the computer I'm unpacking from. Same thing happens if I move a file from one network share to another (where the network shares are on the same physical drive on the server). |
| 12:02.43 | maligor | and mounted root as ext4? |
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| 12:02.50 | negge | I'm using GNOME and Nautilus btw |
| 12:03.10 | bonez46 | petemc: I am really trying to follow along, but the "oh, he's an idiot" sort of stuff.. Hell, I know I AM an idiot... but I won't give up on this.. .. |
| 12:03.21 | bonez46 | I appreciate your patience in trying to help me.. |
| 12:03.51 | petemc | head -c512 /dev/sdb2 | strings | grep GRUB |
| 12:04.18 | bonez46 | OpenTokix: is that helpful? ext4 isn't really even stable yet. and I have never installed ext4 anywhere, I don't then understand why a mount attempt would report ext4 on a drive? |
| 12:04.39 | OpenTokix | bonez46: how are anyone supposed to know its ext4? |
| 12:04.49 | OpenTokix | bonez46: do a unamr -r on your live-cd? |
| 12:05.01 | bonez46 | OpenTokix: well, 'mount' certainly seems to think it sees ext4 there.. not sure how or why though |
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| 12:05.19 | bonez46 | OpenTokix: unamr? is that a question or command? |
| 12:05.22 | OpenTokix | bonez46: what fs does the drive have? |
| 12:05.26 | maligor | you never tried to mount your filesystems as ext4? |
| 12:05.29 | OpenTokix | bonez46: uname -r |
| 12:05.35 | maligor | since it'll convert ext2/3 to ext4 |
| 12:05.46 | Borbus | If root runs sudo, and root's entry in sudoers is not ALL, will sudo actually limit root's access? |
| 12:05.47 | bonez46 | 2.6.27-7-generic |
| 12:05.53 | bonez46 | that's the level on the live cd |
| 12:05.54 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 12:06.07 | klaz168 | isnt ext4 backward compatible? |
| 12:06.08 | bonez46 | maligor: no, should I? |
| 12:06.33 | Polleke | negge, well if your cpu is unpacking a file. Data from the fileserver has to transfer to your computer. No way arround it. |
| 12:06.48 | maligor | well, you can use tune2fs to identify it tho |
| 12:06.52 | bonez46 | I have never installed ext4.. .. could it have gotten (scuze the gross reference here) 'jammed' and now mount somehow 'sees' it as being ext4? |
| 12:07.03 | Borbus | klaz168: it can be.. I think there are certain options that are not backwards compatible though |
| 12:07.05 | klaz168 | mounting ext3 drives as ext4 should be np i think.. |
| 12:07.06 | maligor | tune2fs -l /dev/sdxx |
| 12:07.12 | Polleke | negge, what it should not do is first place the full unpacked file on your computer. And then as a second step start to transfer it back |
| 12:07.28 | maligor | klaz168, mounting drives as ext4 will convert them |
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| 12:07.53 | maligor | klaz168, it enables extents now by default which makes it ext3 incompatible |
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| 12:08.19 | Polleke | negge, and as I said, this might be a problem with your gui tool. What type of compression we talking about? |
| 12:08.29 | bonez46 | fakedebian@fakedebian:~$ sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sdb |
| 12:08.36 | bonez46 | is that right, maligor? |
| 12:08.43 | maligor | you need partition too :P |
| 12:08.46 | bonez46 | tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb |
| 12:08.46 | bonez46 | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 12:09.07 | klaz168 | maligor, extents is a standard? |
| 12:09.08 | OpenTokix | bonez46: /dev/sdb2 |
| 12:09.29 | erstazi | 8/wc |
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| 12:09.39 | bonez46 | tune2fs: Filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/sdb2 |
| 12:09.39 | bonez46 | Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
| 12:09.44 | bonez46 | that's with sdb2 |
| 12:09.53 | negge | Polleke: it doesn't unpack the whole file to my desktop and then transfer it back, it "looks" like it's unpacking directly to the share but the network connection gets maxed out while doing so so I know there's something going on. I'm usually unpacking RAR archives, uncompressed ones |
| 12:10.04 | maligor | well, it sort of sounds like ext4 for sure |
| 12:10.13 | klaz168 | yep |
| 12:10.18 | bonez46 | filesystem revision too high? damn.. did my drive go out and hit the bong while I wasn't looking? Maybe Michael Phelps took the drive for a swim .. |
| 12:10.30 | maligor | bonez46, what did you do?-) |
| 12:10.45 | negge | Polleke: I can of course SSH into the server and unpack it directly there but that's a bit lame |
| 12:10.46 | maligor | it's not like the partition can automagically convert itself to ext4 |
| 12:10.49 | bonez46 | could ext4 have quietly been installed on my system.. when I wasn't looking? |
| 12:11.01 | bonez46 | maligor: thank you.. my contention too.. |
| 12:11.13 | maligor | it requires you to have ext4 support in kernel and then mount it as ext4 |
| 12:11.46 | maligor | and it'll ruin your day if you use grub to boot, since it doesn't have ext4 support yet |
| 12:11.49 | Polleke | negge, thats the only way arround it really I think |
| 12:11.58 | bonez46 | maligor: all of which I have never done.. .. maybe my 13 year old son.. who is no linux fan sneaked on one day. and fixed it for me |
| 12:12.15 | bonez46 | I did nothing.. |
| 12:12.34 | maligor | I can't really say for sure but I doubt there's any really magical way to convert it to ext3 |
| 12:13.04 | maligor | and if it's the root partition, I'd personally probably just reinstall debian :P |
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| 12:13.26 | bonez46 | maligor: that's just the point.. . it would be like pulling out an ancient PC with two 5.25" floppy drives.. trying to boot it up.. only to have it say.. Sorry, can't boot up.. since the installed sys and other stuff is Windows 7.. not even out yet.. |
| 12:13.39 | enouf | bonez46: are you sure your original debian installation is on sdb? check all drives, dmesg, /var/log/*, etc .. |
| 12:13.51 | bonez46 | I'd LOVE TO REINSTALL debian to it... |
| 12:13.53 | negge | Polleke: actually I think you were right, it seems like it first unpacks the whole thing to the client which then transfers it all back to the server |
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| 12:14.23 | enouf | bonez46: i'd have to say, using a ubuntu livecd as a rescue cd seems a bit ... too much of a PITA |
| 12:14.24 | bonez46 | enouf: oh, if only I could mount the drive first, and then extract all the data I would be happy.. but since it's ext4 .. then I can't mount it.. and thus can't examine the logs or anything else.. |
| 12:14.29 | negge | maybe I should upgrade to a gigabit switch |
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| 12:14.46 | maligor | bonez46, oh.. find a livecd with ext4 support then |
| 12:14.59 | maligor | the ubuntu 9.04's might have |
| 12:15.01 | bonez46 | so do they exist yet? |
| 12:15.11 | maligor | or you could make your own proper debian livecd with ext4 :P |
| 12:15.21 | maligor | but that rather requires a working debian |
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| 12:16.09 | enouf | bonez46: please review info in the e2fsprogs Debian package - see what's changed (especially concerning 256byte vs 128byte inode sizes, as i think i've seen this cause issues for others) |
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| 12:16.47 | enouf | bonez46: atleast in sid's (unstable) and possbily squeeze's (testing) versions |
| 12:16.56 | maligor | enouf, why would it change inode size on a existing fs? |
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| 12:17.04 | abrotman | fun and profit! |
| 12:17.10 | enouf | maligor: "it"? |
| 12:17.18 | bonez46 | fedora 10 has ext4 support.. |
| 12:17.24 | maligor | it == e2fsprogs |
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| 12:17.52 | enouf | maligor: as part of an upgrade - just ask stoned/dudeman/ajavid |
| 12:17.59 | bonez46 | thanks all for your help.. and sorry for my juvenile outbursts.. |
| 12:18.01 | maligor | enouf, or more to the point, why would a updated e2fsprogs suddenly decide to tag a filesystem ext4?-) |
| 12:18.04 | enouf | hides |
| 12:18.20 | p0g0 | enouf: yeah, I run into that inode=256 issue when I restore old images that expect it to be 128- PITA until you figure out to format it with 128 |
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| 12:18.43 | enouf | maligor: heh - well .. now that's the enigma for others to answer ;-) likely some pebkac involved and needs factoring in ;-) |
| 12:19.00 | keo3 | hi |
| 12:19.03 | enouf | p0g0: righto |
| 12:19.06 | maligor | bonez46, was it lenny sid or squeeze btw? |
| 12:19.19 | keo3 | any1 can tell me what charger should i buy for maxtor basics drive? I lost the original and there are no specs about it |
| 12:19.33 | dakka | hi, is this the right place to see help or advise with debian? |
| 12:19.39 | dakka | seek* |
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| 12:20.03 | p0g0 | dakka: yes. |
| 12:20.31 | dakka | cool, b4 i start, i better say i am a real linux n00b..so pls be gentle ;) |
| 12:20.53 | maligor | good distribution choice ;) |
| 12:21.11 | dakka | I have linux mint installed, which is an ubuntu distro, however i am having a few issues with it, and after chatting to some people, i believe debain may be more suitable |
| 12:21.27 | zamuro | !debain |
| 12:21.27 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 12:21.28 | dakka | so in that light i wanted to re-install using debian |
| 12:21.58 | maligor | well, debian lacks lots of the automata they stuff in ubuntu |
| 12:22.03 | dakka | sorry i am dyslexic |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | but yes, can spell dyslexic :) |
| 12:22.21 | abrotman | erm .. yet :( |
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| 12:22.31 | Chousuke | typos happen :p |
| 12:22.34 | maligor | abrotman, I see you spelled it correctly also :P |
| 12:22.39 | dakka | yea i know, but i am hoping it is more stable and without the current problems i have |
| 12:22.51 | dakka | it took me years to learn how to spell that right...lol |
| 12:23.07 | maligor | dakka, well, debian usually stays as it is once you configure it |
| 12:23.22 | p0g0 | dakka: one of my favorite protest signs ever: WAD-Dyslexics Against War. |
| 12:24.06 | dakka | i also want to learn linux better, so i figured debian would allow me this, since its less "automatic" after install? |
| 12:24.38 | dakka | linux mint was pretty much setup once i had it installed, aside from some graphics drivers and such |
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| 12:24.54 | Meta | dakka: It's a good way to go. I went from Ubuntu to Debian. |
| 12:25.02 | dakka | but at any rate at first all i need is stability, X windows, and bit torrent software |
| 12:25.05 | Meta | I did a net-install without wireless firmware. |
| 12:25.05 | maligor | well, debian will pretty much configure most things for a desktop automatically |
| 12:25.12 | dakka | cool |
| 12:25.15 | Meta | So I only had a base system |
| 12:25.32 | dakka | please dont laugh at me, but i wanted to eventually put compiz-fusion on it as well |
| 12:25.34 | hark | p0g0: Dyslexics Against War, UNTIE! |
| 12:25.55 | dakka | i have that now and i think it looks awesome, my gf however laughs at me, so please no laughter i get enuf from her :P |
| 12:26.27 | maligor | dakka, well, that's included in debian repos |
| 12:26.30 | Meta | I dislike compiz. I'm happy with basic looks from Xfce. |
| 12:26.40 | maligor | I can't stand compiz myself tho :P |
| 12:27.04 | cast | e16! |
| 12:27.08 | hark | well, of the world, yeah but it fits too :) |
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| 12:27.23 | dakka | awesome! this is sounding very positive! |
| 12:27.30 | maligor | cast, you mean e17? |
| 12:27.39 | cast | nope. |
| 12:27.44 | Meta | dakka: Anything you can get in Ubuntu, you can get in Debian. |
| 12:27.46 | Flxr | how do I exclude anything below mail.err from this syslog.conf rule: |
| 12:27.51 | Flxr | *.*;auth,authpriv.none,cron.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 12:27.56 | dakka | anyways, so my OS drive is [[ / ][ /home ]][swap] / and /home are in an extended partition, swap is at the end of the drive |
| 12:28.22 | maligor | dakka, well, debian's stable releases are very conservative, you won't get fancy new packages just because they're released upstream |
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| 12:28.29 | almost | when running this script as root m2n.py I get su- m2n.py ; command not found what am I doing wrong |
| 12:28.35 | dakka | good stuff! |
| 12:28.57 | dakka | my swap is 486MB ( i dont want to use any suspend to memory features), / is 11gb, and /home is 454gb |
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| 12:29.03 | cast | almost: does using python m2n.py help? |
| 12:29.33 | almost | cast: yes I expect it would thanks |
| 12:29.54 | almost | cast: I will give it a go |
| 12:29.56 | cast | dakka: might as well make / a bit bigger, imho, % wise a few more gb isn't going to dent home much |
| 12:30.09 | dakka | can i simply install into the existing structure, or should i reformat/restructure things? my swap is small cause i have 8gb ram, and i want to use lenny amd64 |
| 12:30.15 | cast | dakka: if you haven't already i use lvm for everything :) |
| 12:30.22 | dakka | lvm? |
| 12:30.23 | kharloss | hi there. i have a problem on my webserver. i use ispcp as hosting panel , but sudenly something occur : The requested URL /index.html was not found on this server. but i can assure you this file exist |
| 12:30.27 | kharloss | any solution / |
| 12:30.28 | kharloss | ? |
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| 12:30.55 | maligor | cast, lvm is a pita if you ask me |
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| 12:31.02 | kharloss | -bash: php: command not found |
| 12:31.06 | dakka | pita as in bread? |
| 12:31.12 | kharloss | i guess is verry bad .. |
| 12:31.13 | dakka | i am confused :( |
| 12:31.15 | maligor | pita as in pain in the ass :P |
| 12:31.17 | OpenTokix | lvm is the complete win |
| 12:31.30 | maligor | it's fine as long as nothing goes wrong |
| 12:31.40 | Flxr | hey guys, how do I exclude anything below mail.err from this syslog.conf rule: |
| 12:31.41 | Flxr | *.*;auth,authpriv.none,cron.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 12:31.42 | cast | maligor: well, making a backup without snapshots makes things a little bit more tricky |
| 12:31.50 | dakka | win as in windows? sorry i am not too savvy with some of the lingo, been using linux for 2 weeks |
| 12:31.52 | almost | cast: it worked thanks. |
| 12:31.53 | maligor | recovering lvm's is just a step more complicated |
| 12:32.05 | dakka | i will look it up, brb |
| 12:32.30 | maligor | dakka, that's not linux lingo but netboy lingo ;P |
| 12:33.02 | dakka | ahh its like GParted? A partiton manager? |
| 12:33.17 | maligor | umm.. no |
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| 12:33.42 | maligor | it's sort of a replacement for partition table |
| 12:33.49 | dakka | "The logical volume manager allows you to create and manage the storage of your servers in a very useful manner; adding, removing, and resizing partitions on demand." |
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| 12:34.09 | maligor | but it sits ontop of the system partition table |
| 12:34.11 | dakka | sounds like a program to manage/modify partitons? no? |
| 12:34.20 | cast | maligor: agreed. recovery is more diffuclt. but that's an unlikely circumstance, compared to the need to snapshot or resize - besides, i always just restore from backup |
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| 12:34.26 | maligor | dakka, well, it can do that, yes |
| 12:34.32 | cast | dakka: think of it as a replacement for having partitions |
| 12:34.35 | sphenxes | i have installed a lot of programs on my computer. Now I would like to reinstall Lenny once more. However, i do not like to write down all the programs then reinstall them. is there a trick in debian where I can reinstall all my programs once more? (newbie= |
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| 12:34.39 | dakka | O_o |
| 12:34.44 | kamp2tux | Gnome's Update Manager (GUI way to update the system), may I know what is the CLI command to do the same function? |
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| 12:35.07 | maligor | kamp2tux, aptitude? |
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| 12:35.36 | maligor | it has a ncurses ui if you run without commands |
| 12:35.45 | maligor | or you can use 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' |
| 12:35.45 | kamp2tux | aptitude update ---> for refresh the sources.list only |
| 12:36.00 | maligor | or is it safe-upgrade now |
| 12:36.08 | cast | dakka: instead, you have lvm logical volumes, which you use as partitions. it allows much more powerful things. for example, if /home was getting full, you could plug in a new sata drive, and then extend /home over the new drive, all without rebooting once, and while using /home the whole time |
| 12:36.25 | maligor | kamp2tux, upgrade fetches and installs the new packages |
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| 12:36.54 | enouf | sphenxes: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg selections |
| 12:37.00 | dakka | hmm, would recovery be a problem using such a system? Currently I find it quite easy to recover data using normal partitions, would this destroy the ease of recovery? |
| 12:37.02 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks |
| 12:37.10 | enouf | sphenxes: and check out the bootcd pkg too perhaps |
| 12:37.16 | kamp2tux | maligor, so you means: aptitude update && safe-upgrade |
| 12:37.57 | dakka | creating logical volumes using a volume manager may make it harder/impossible to recover data fragmented over several disks? |
| 12:38.02 | cast | dakka: no, it adds complication to recovery. but i don't consider that a problem, as any sane person keeps backups |
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| 12:38.20 | maligor | kamp2tux, umm.. in bash '&&' means execute if previous command succeeded |
| 12:38.23 | cast | s/no, // |
| 12:38.24 | dakka | LOL, backup 2.7TB ? hmm yes interesting concept :P |
| 12:38.40 | enouf | sphenxes: you might want to backup your /home dir (or partition) separately and on more than one media |
| 12:38.49 | cast | dakka: there is a rule, if you don't keep a backup you obviously don't want to keep it. |
| 12:38.50 | p0g0 | dakka: well, you have a lot to lose there if you don't, aye? |
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| 12:39.04 | kamp2tux | maligor, many thanks |
| 12:39.07 | maligor | kamp2tux, and the command is 'aptitude safe-upgrade' |
| 12:39.33 | dakka | i have lots to lose, its not vital stuff, however if i lose it i like to be sure its easy to recover again. if not no great loss. just annoying |
| 12:39.54 | cast | dakka: how would you lose it such that you could easily recover it? |
| 12:39.57 | maligor | dakka, don't bother with lvm unless you need it is my answer :P |
| 12:39.59 | dakka | i find it impractical to backup such large volumes of data when it is not critical data, however doesnt mean i wanna lose it all |
| 12:40.08 | maligor | I made the mistake of using lvm at one point :P |
| 12:40.16 | maligor | I was lured in the promises of features I didn't need |
| 12:40.19 | cast | maligor: it's worth it just for the learning exercise! |
| 12:40.46 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks the clone idea is really helpful |
| 12:40.48 | dakka | cast: I have had power plugs cause my HDD's to die and lose partiton info, recovering these was quite simple |
| 12:40.54 | maligor | dakka, You don't want lvm. :P |
| 12:41.01 | p0g0 | cast: with that argument, so is self-flagellation. |
| 12:41.17 | enouf | sphenxes: welcome |
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| 12:41.27 | dakka | my pc also rebooted once due to a faulty power supply, again i lost my partition info, however i was able to recover 80% |
| 12:41.38 | dakka | these are just the last 2 incidents |
| 12:41.42 | maligor | partition info is easy to recover |
| 12:41.47 | cast | p0g0: by all means, if flagellation maybe a tool you need to deploy in future, learn it now |
| 12:41.48 | dakka | i am an extremely unlucky person |
| 12:42.06 | dakka | maligot: via lvm? |
| 12:42.06 | enouf | even easier to backup |
| 12:42.14 | maligor | I once overwrote my MBR and Partition Table with random data |
| 12:42.18 | dakka | maligor*** sorry! typo |
| 12:42.21 | enouf | me too |
| 12:42.34 | enouf | cfdisk > /dev/hda <--accidentally :-P |
| 12:42.46 | cast | haha. |
| 12:42.48 | maligor | after that I learned to be more careful with root |
| 12:42.50 | enouf | do NOT do that :-0 |
| 12:43.04 | dakka | ok i think i have gotten off the beaten track...i was after info on consequences of installing debian ontop of linux mint? |
| 12:43.08 | icebrain | I deleted a partition and made a new one that started before, so the FS was lost in its middle :P |
| 12:43.16 | enouf | BUT .. i had my sfdisk -d ... backup handy - then reinstalled grub ;-) |
| 12:43.22 | maligor | dakka, without format? |
| 12:43.26 | cast | dakka: remove linux mint, remkfs the partitions that had it |
| 12:43.28 | dakka | yea |
| 12:43.45 | maligor | you should just make a backup of your /home |
| 12:43.47 | dakka | remkfs does that mean remove partitions? |
| 12:43.54 | maligor | installing it ontop sounds terminal |
| 12:43.56 | cast | dakka: you could leave the partition table alone, and /home if you wanted |
| 12:43.56 | dakka | i can copy that to another drive n |
| 12:44.16 | dakka | i can move/copy /home to another drive without problems |
| 12:44.22 | maligor | dakka, you can use tar so it preserves permissions |
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| 12:44.32 | maligor | assuming your /home is on root partition |
| 12:44.35 | dakka | ahh yea, great idea, my other drives are NTFS |
| 12:44.40 | maligor | if it's not, then you can just format root |
| 12:44.52 | cast | NTFS, case insensitive ftl |
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| 12:45.16 | dakka | hmm, ok if i have to i can lose /home |
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| 12:45.33 | dakka | this install is only 2 weeks old, most of that was spent fighting with linux |
| 12:45.40 | cast | dakka: i presume if you don't want to use lvm, you *really* don't want to use LUKS. a single wrong bit in the header and it's all gone |
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| 12:45.44 | nardul | I'm having some problems with a tapedrive. I've modprobed the correct modules, but i can't find the /dev/sg0 device. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 12:45.56 | nardul | I can see it in cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 12:46.09 | Selveste1 | Hey :) I have just installed Lenny, when I install the XEN kernel and reboots it's loading normally for time, and then it says "Starting xend. suspend: event channel 21" and restarts, there is nothing in the messages log :S it a clean install and works just fine when loading the normal kernel 2.6.26-1-686 the xen kernel is 2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 12:46.17 | dakka | i would rather keep it simple, and as vanilla as possible to start out, till i learn more about linux |
| 12:46.53 | dakka | i am gonna have a hard enuf time getting my vid driver working and stuff since i am such a n00b, so whatever is easiest and wont impact on the long term design is best |
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| 12:47.23 | dakka | so i want to start out with a nice robust design that i can expand on later |
| 12:47.57 | cast | bah, don't feel you need X to function, X is purely for porn and firefox |
| 12:48.04 | dakka | i really need to settle on an OS, i have been messing with my pc for months, my first attempt was windows x64 (what a pain), then i messed will a few linux's |
| 12:48.29 | dakka | i ended up with linux mint, but i am having too many probs, so i want to go simple and more stable |
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| 12:49.40 | m`lan | tried slackware? |
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| 12:49.40 | dakka | ok so i have a 500gb drive, suggestions on best partition setup? |
| 12:49.40 | dakka | i was gonna try that in a VM, but i never got around to that one |
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| 12:49.44 | dakka | i tries sabaton (sp?), ubuntu, linux mint, freebsd, (tried Red Hat ages ago), umm i think i left one out somewhere |
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| 12:49.51 | m`lan | its what i started with after a few years of most useless messing about with corel and suse |
| 12:49.52 | cast | a 300mb /boot, 40gb root, rest can go to /home |
| 12:49.52 | p0g0 | dakka: simplest-two, first partition is everything except swap, second is swap- c. 1 to 1.5x available ram. |
| 12:49.59 | Selveste1 | !dpkg xen |
| 12:50.00 | dpkg | methinks xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 12:50.46 | dakka | i have read that if u have more than 4gb of ram then a large swap is pointless? I have 8gb ram, also i have read that its smart to seperate / from /home |
| 12:51.18 | dakka | in future if i need to i should be able to just re-install / without touching the /home partition? its why i have it like this right now? |
| 12:51.21 | dakka | is that wrong? |
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| 12:51.33 | p0g0 | dakka: drive space is cheap, the swap may never be used, but if you need it , you have it. |
| 12:51.34 | backhack | dakka: generally, i'd agree... not sure if you could even get two kernel devs to agree on the swap question tho |
| 12:52.04 | backhack | backhack: i'd say 256M swap, or maybe 512M max |
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| 12:52.12 | dakka | ^^ |
| 12:52.34 | enouf | the kernel tends to like knowing a swap is avail |
| 12:52.42 | enouf | small is fine |
| 12:52.46 | dakka | i have read that in many places, and the developer of linux mint suggested that in a forum post too |
| 12:52.52 | cast | enouf: like means? |
| 12:52.54 | enouf | cause once you start swapping - pain ensues |
| 12:53.13 | p0g0 | dakka: you can do that (home on it's own partition)-I guess I like backups more than some, so I have no issues with /home |
| 12:53.17 | icebrain | my kernel doesn't complain - I have 512MB RAM and no swap |
| 12:53.21 | enouf | but to have an out is always a good thing, especially when you find you need it |
| 12:53.23 | dakka | i think with 8gb of ram swaping wont happen, aside from a very small amount of the kernal? |
| 12:53.33 | cast | i stopped using swap when i got 512mb of ram! i'd rather have apps get killed, then start thrashing swap then get killed 5 minutes later |
| 12:53.42 | enouf | icebrain: me too - but 400M swap - and it get's used .. rarely, but used |
| 12:53.53 | abrotman | irc is a hog! |
| 12:54.00 | p0g0 | dakka: it depends on what you do. Lare audio video stuff can chew that ram right up. |
| 12:54.04 | enouf | cast: ask a kern dev - i don't know :-) |
| 12:54.05 | p0g0 | *large |
| 12:54.13 | cast | dakka: do you use emacs? |
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| 12:54.25 | dakka | ok, i will make my swap 512mb ram (which i think is what it is now, GParted sees it as 486M but i think thats just cosmetic) |
| 12:54.27 | icebrain | enouf: mine was getting used too, but the computer was unusable. Now I don't have it and I have no complaints |
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| 12:54.34 | enouf | vm.swappiness = 10 |
| 12:54.38 | dakka | cast: I am not sure to be honest, what is it? |
| 12:54.46 | enouf | overcommit.ratio = 2 |
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| 12:54.52 | icebrain | enouf: Firefox with 50 tabs + Eclipse , no problems |
| 12:54.52 | p0g0 | dakka: that's a no, then |
| 12:54.56 | dakka | lol |
| 12:54.58 | cast | dakka: it's a operating system that runs under gnu/linux |
| 12:55.13 | dakka | soz, i am a 2 week old linux n00b :P |
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| 12:55.22 | enouf | or something .. wait, overcommit.memory = 2 -- the .ratio = 70 or 60 or something |
| 12:55.36 | dakka | ok so is 12gb ok for / ? |
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| 12:55.48 | abrotman | dakka: depends on other partitions |
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| 12:56.05 | icebrain | abrotman: why? |
| 12:56.11 | abrotman | why what? |
| 12:56.17 | dakka | ../ is 12gb /home 454gb swap 512MB |
| 12:56.18 | icebrain | why does it depend? |
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| 12:56.30 | abrotman | icebrain: if he has a 20GB DB and no /var/ .. might have a problem |
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| 12:57.00 | icebrain | ah, sure :P |
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| 12:57.10 | enouf | icebrain: oh yeah? |
| 12:57.11 | enouf | so .. with Bloatware like KDE running - hundreds of Browser windows of links2 -g open, 25 or so Konqueror tabs open, 10 Konsole shell xterms going, some Streaming audio from the Internet live; and all these damned IRC channels - and in a GUI - i'm about to rip a DVD ... |
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| 12:57.20 | dakka | i created a 12gb / then a 512MB swap, and the rest i made /home on a 500gb drive? |
| 12:57.48 | cast | i'd make / bigger, 20gb! |
| 12:57.56 | dakka | ok done! 20gb / |
| 12:57.58 | p0g0 | dakka: you can buy yourslef a learning curve by not breaking out the dirs like /home to their own partitions, just bundle it all, and take the time to see how you really use disk space. |
| 12:58.07 | CoolCold | did anyone used 2.6.28? |
| 12:58.08 | enouf | icebrain: on a pentiumII |
| 12:58.09 | abrotman | dakka: maybe a smidge more swap too |
| 12:58.22 | enouf | 512RAM (+ 400swap) |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | though .. if it's just a desktop, mayb not |
| 12:58.27 | dakka | i didnt want to redo the partitions later on, its why i want to get it right from the start |
| 12:58.33 | dakka | i have 8gb ram |
| 12:58.44 | abrotman | do you run emacs? |
| 12:58.47 | abrotman | hides |
| 12:58.57 | cast | emacs, not egacs! |
| 12:59.00 | dakka | i believe the answer was no since i have no idea what it is :P |
| 12:59.02 | icebrain | enouf: so why do you use KDE? |
| 12:59.02 | nareshov | heh |
| 12:59.27 | cast | dakka: you are going to use the amd64 port right? :) |
| 12:59.28 | icebrain | enouf: and urxvt only uses one process for all the terminals |
| 12:59.31 | dakka | yes |
| 12:59.36 | enouf | icebrain: i don't know ... honestly .. when i upgrade it's getting tossed - stale leftover |
| 12:59.47 | dakka | lenny amd64, which i believe is 5.00 stable? |
| 12:59.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:00.00 | enouf | dude - it's all about bloat - defining and trimming the fat |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | enouf: how's your diet going ? :) |
| 13:00.13 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:00.20 | klaz168 | << / = 65GB |
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| 13:00.39 | dakka | i have an nvidia chipset with an onboard 8300 |
| 13:01.07 | theholyduck | icebrain, the PROBLEM with that :P |
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| 13:01.22 | icebrain | theholyduck: wut? |
| 13:01.23 | theholyduck | icebrain, is if that you manage to lock/freeze urxvt |
| 13:01.31 | theholyduck | all your terminals crash/freeze |
| 13:01.37 | icebrain | oh, but you can start one isolated |
| 13:01.43 | theholyduck | icebrain, i know |
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| 13:01.46 | theholyduck | i use urxvt like that |
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| 13:01.52 | theholyduck | im just saying the daemon mode is stupid |
| 13:01.54 | dakka | ok so i think i am about to redo my partitions to / 20GB swap 512MB (or maybe bigger) and the rest /home on 500gb drive? |
| 13:02.05 | theholyduck | dakka, if you're REALLY smart |
| 13:02.12 | cast | dakka: you're the executive |
| 13:02.12 | theholyduck | use the debian installer and setup lvm on that 1 drive |
| 13:02.25 | theholyduck | 200mb /boot 10gb root 10gb home |
| 13:02.26 | icebrain | theholyduck: I've never stalled urxvt, only the shell, and I can kill it without affecting urxvt |
| 13:02.26 | maligor | lvm.. sheesh |
| 13:02.29 | theholyduck | then grow home as you need it :P |
| 13:02.34 | dakka | hmm, ok so thats a second person for lvm |
| 13:02.37 | cast | theholyduck: nah, he doesn't like lvm. it makes it harder for him when he accidentl overwrites his partition tble |
| 13:02.44 | theholyduck | cast, :D |
| 13:02.48 | enouf | icebrain: http://picpaste.com/slimjimprovedwrongagain_1.png |
| 13:02.55 | theholyduck | cast, i like lvm cause then i can grow my partitions when i need them |
| 13:03.18 | nareshov | heh |
| 13:03.19 | theholyduck | though admitedtly it IS more of a chore at times |
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| 13:03.39 | icebrain | enouf: ugly :P Awesome <3 |
| 13:03.41 | dakka | i have more disks then i can poke a stick at, this first drive is for OS only |
| 13:03.43 | enouf | icebrain: btw, are you using a NOHIGHMEM kernel? |
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| 13:03.51 | icebrain | enouf: yeah |
| 13:03.56 | theholyduck | enouf, MY EYES |
| 13:04.00 | maligor | enouf, you actually use that dreadful widget theme? :P |
| 13:04.05 | enouf | icebrain: cool - notice mucho speed over a HIGHMEM one? |
| 13:04.11 | enouf | theholyduck: ;-) |
| 13:04.19 | dakka | if i knew more about linux i wouldnt use this drive at all for data or apps, but since i am learning i will use it for /home since i dont want to touch my existing NTFS drives yet |
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| 13:04.35 | enouf | maligor: haha - i never open konq - but had to to setup some new email/webmail |
| 13:04.45 | cast | dakka: in time...you'll come to detest ntfs and all it stands for! |
| 13:04.49 | dakka | so even tho lvm sounds nice, i dont think its something i need right now? |
| 13:04.58 | icebrain | enouf: I passed from Debian's default kernel to a custom, option-by-option compiled kernel, so it's hard to say what due to what |
| 13:05.18 | dakka | cast: i know i will mate, but i have too much shit on them right now to change over, but i intend on doing it once i am much more epxerienced |
| 13:05.21 | icebrain | but my bottleneck will always be the disk |
| 13:05.40 | cast | hey it's an australian |
| 13:05.47 | maligor | dakka, you can always just use a single partition, but then you have to be careful not to fill it completely up :P |
| 13:06.22 | dakka | i am kind of hesitant to use a single partition, i have read too many articles/posts about that not being a good idea |
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| 13:06.39 | cast | just hurry up and install. |
| 13:06.43 | dakka | also if i screw up my linux, i would like to be able to reformat the OS and leave /home intact at a later stage? |
| 13:06.54 | enouf | icebrain: righto - i've built and used custom before - but merely for compiling/testing purposes - not real tuning/performance tests |
| 13:07.01 | maligor | well, yes, it does make that easier |
| 13:07.20 | maligor | I have 13GB used on root right now, and I have quite a lot of stuff installed |
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| 13:07.40 | dakka | ok i think i will restructure to / 20gb swap 1gb rest /home (500gb drive) |
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| 13:08.00 | cast | my / is just over 1gb, but i only have a 4gb drive :( |
| 13:08.02 | icebrain | enouf: I've never profiled, I just wanted to include all the modules in the kernel and remove the extra stuff |
| 13:08.06 | dakka | i wont worry about backing anything up from /home aside from some of my config files like squid network etc |
| 13:08.11 | maligor | 1gb swap is big |
| 13:08.12 | dakka | does that sound ok? |
| 13:08.29 | dakka | so stick with 512MB? |
| 13:08.38 | maligor | you might even do with less |
| 13:08.41 | cast | dakka: won't matter either way |
| 13:08.42 | icebrain | enouf: it loads faster, but that maybe only 'cause it's loading less stuff, and it doesn't need to load from external modules |
| 13:08.51 | maligor | problem with swap is that once apps start going into swap, the system performance really goes down the drain |
| 13:09.04 | theholyduck | maligor, well just change the swappyness ? |
| 13:09.08 | maligor | you need some swap but 1gb is a ton |
| 13:09.17 | theholyduck | maligor, i got 4gb of swap :) |
| 13:09.26 | theholyduck | but then again i got 4gb of ram aswell |
| 13:09.30 | theholyduck | so my swap is basicly never used |
| 13:09.34 | dakka | ok 512MB will do for now i think? some wanted me to have more, and some less, so maybe 512 as a compromise? |
| 13:09.35 | maligor | I have 4gb ram and 400mb swap |
| 13:09.40 | nareshov | heh |
| 13:09.46 | dakka | i have 8gb ram |
| 13:09.49 | epsilon | not much |
| 13:09.52 | dakka | wil my swap even get used ever? |
| 13:09.55 | theholyduck | http://la.gg/upl/noein.png enouf :) |
| 13:09.56 | dakka | will* |
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| 13:09.57 | cast | dakka: so you've heard all sides of the story, i have no swap, theholyduck has 4gb, other people have somewhere inbetween. and none of us have any real problems. |
| 13:10.00 | maligor | dak, it gets used a bit |
| 13:10.03 | maligor | dakka, err |
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| 13:10.13 | theholyduck | dakka, you will want a BIT :P |
| 13:10.15 | maligor | dakka, you'll see maybe 2-40mb usage |
| 13:10.17 | dakka | ok i will go 512MB for now |
| 13:10.18 | icebrain | dakka: what do you use your PC for? It depends |
| 13:10.27 | cast | dakka: you can always add a swap file later on, infact a swap file is no slower on an unfragmented fs than a swap partition |
| 13:10.30 | theholyduck | dakka, so that your ram can be used as filesystem cache more effectivly :P |
| 13:10.45 | theholyduck | cast, well its still 2 layers of filesystems |
| 13:10.50 | theholyduck | cast, its a BIT slower |
| 13:10.56 | theholyduck | just not a whole lot |
| 13:11.04 | cast | theholyduck: nah, it doesn't have FS overhead |
| 13:11.12 | epsilon | you won't notice the difference |
| 13:11.19 | theholyduck | epsilon, well true :) |
| 13:11.25 | dakka | I will use it predominantly for bit torrents, photoshop (that may end up in a VM), VM's and other normal shit like web browsing, also i will use this as a gateway from work |
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| 13:11.44 | theholyduck | enouf, did you look at the img i linked? |
| 13:11.45 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.50 | theholyduck | less ugly than yours! |
| 13:11.50 | icebrain | well, I would think Photoshop inside a WM can use quite a little chuck |
| 13:12.05 | theholyduck | icebrain, well you have to use a fair bit of ram to run WINDOWS |
| 13:12.11 | maligor | icebrain, you don't usually give vm's system swap tho I think :P |
| 13:12.14 | theholyduck | then photoshop in that again :P |
| 13:12.22 | dakka | squid, ssh server, ftp server, apache <-- very small usage, just personal usage by me |
| 13:12.32 | maligor | the windows running in a vm would have it's own swap |
| 13:12.35 | theholyduck | dakka, why have apache at all? |
| 13:12.40 | theholyduck | or BOTH ftp AND ssh? |
| 13:12.51 | theholyduck | ssh has ftp aswell |
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| 13:13.14 | dakka | its ok, i am a winblows expert, i can run it fine with 2gb disk space, and little swapping via the VM |
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| 13:13.36 | dakka | apache is for me to mess around with web site dev for my own crap |
| 13:13.42 | icebrain | and if you just need any web server lighttpd is lighter :P |
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| 13:13.50 | theholyduck | in my book. if you got ssh. you dont NEED ftp :) |
| 13:13.55 | theholyduck | since ssh can be used as a ftp server |
| 13:14.03 | dakka | i want to use apache to also keep my skillset up in that area |
| 13:14.03 | maligor | or you could configure webdav too |
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| 13:14.13 | theholyduck | and squid is a proxy right? |
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| 13:14.21 | maligor | ftp is dreadful really, unless you need a really low overhead protocol |
| 13:14.24 | theholyduck | ssh can be used as a proxy :) |
| 13:14.42 | dakka | ftp will be for my computer illiterate friends (maybe, still deciding, i may stick with external hosting for that) |
| 13:14.51 | theholyduck | ssh is deliciously flexible |
| 13:14.55 | maligor | it's also a security hole |
| 13:15.00 | cast | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/29/3 regarding swap file vs partition speed |
| 13:15.02 | maligor | ftp that is |
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| 13:15.16 | theholyduck | dakka, what do you use squid for? |
| 13:15.18 | epsilon | security? ftp over TLS, what's insecure? |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | theholyduck: not everyone has the ability to install whatever client they want .. |
| 13:15.23 | dakka | yea squid is a proxy that i am using to tunned into my pc via an ssh tunnel from work to bypass the corporate firewall so i can get to everything i need for work |
| 13:15.38 | cast | i'm sure there's a similar post by alan cox somewhere |
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| 13:15.44 | theholyduck | dakka, but why not use ssh as a socks proxy directly? |
| 13:15.49 | dakka | they block everything and its friggen annoying |
| 13:15.50 | theholyduck | cut out the extra layer? |
| 13:16.00 | theholyduck | dakka, firefox can use a socks proxy . |
| 13:16.06 | theholyduck | ssh can be a socks proxy |
| 13:16.15 | theholyduck | no need for squid now is there? |
| 13:16.16 | dakka | i am limited to using ports 443, 80 and 8080 |
| 13:16.25 | theholyduck | dakka, yes. i run ssh on port 443 |
| 13:16.26 | dakka | from external in (as in from work to home) |
| 13:16.47 | theholyduck | port 443 has a free pass out of most firewalls :) |
| 13:17.07 | dakka | when i ran ssh and then port forwarded via my ssh client at work, i was not able to reach the net, as soon as i put the proxy server in it all worked |
| 13:17.19 | theholyduck | dakka, ssh -D 1080 ? |
| 13:17.26 | theholyduck | is how you do it :) |
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| 13:17.39 | theholyduck | then tell the local apps to use a ssh proxy on port 1080 at localhost |
| 13:17.44 | dakka | i run that on my home pc? |
| 13:17.45 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.56 | dakka | from work i can only use ports 443, 80 or 8080 |
| 13:18.03 | theholyduck | dakka, from the pc you want to go out from right? |
| 13:18.19 | dakka | yea, thats my home pc, i can do anything on that |
| 13:18.31 | dakka | i use openssh |
| 13:18.33 | theholyduck | ssh -D 1080 -p 443 home.pc.ip |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | dakka: can it make eggs? |
| 13:18.38 | theholyduck | or if you got putty |
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| 13:18.45 | theholyduck | ssh -D 1080 -P 443 |
| 13:18.48 | theholyduck | *putty |
| 13:18.57 | dakka | i use putty at work, its how i get it working from them |
| 13:19.06 | dakka | ssh -D 8080 -P 443 |
| 13:19.16 | theholyduck | dakka, well the -D is irelevant |
| 13:19.20 | theholyduck | then you just open up firefox |
| 13:19.39 | dakka | but when it comes out on this side as in at home, it wont get to the net that way, i am sure i am missing something? |
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| 13:19.56 | theholyduck | go to setting advanced and network |
| 13:19.57 | dakka | do i run that ssh -D thing on my gateway? |
| 13:20.01 | theholyduck | manual proxy configuration |
| 13:20.18 | dakka | u mean in Firefox? |
| 13:20.19 | theholyduck | set socks host to localhost and port to the port you specifed with -D |
| 13:20.21 | theholyduck | dakka, yeah |
| 13:20.30 | dakka | ahh yea that is what i do now to get it working |
| 13:20.37 | dakka | the problem isnt from work, its from here |
| 13:21.03 | dakka | once i get to my network, ssh wont get it to the net for some reason, it just times out, its why I installed squid |
| 13:21.16 | dakka | once i installed squid it all worked |
| 13:21.25 | theholyduck | weird... |
| 13:21.32 | theholyduck | iÍve done it that exact way tons of times |
| 13:21.37 | dakka | hmm |
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| 13:21.51 | theholyduck | heck that was my only hookup to irc and various web sites for years :P |
| 13:21.54 | dakka | i will look into that again |
| 13:22.14 | dakka | maybe i screwed something up from work...i am in doubt now :S |
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| 13:22.43 | Shockcore | http://www.nopaste.org/p/aTw7esz8E is it possible to make partition #1 bigger with parted? ie i should start to resize partition #8 like start:100gb end:160 |
| 13:22.44 | theholyduck | dakka, well it could be the setup on your end, or ssh config that blocks that kind of connectiong :P |
| 13:22.58 | theholyduck | dakka, like ssh refuses to route -D connections to the outside world :P |
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| 13:23.13 | fairway | hi |
| 13:23.15 | fairway | why is it possible that in ext3 writeback mode data can be corrupt after the 5s intervall? |
| 13:23.16 | dakka | what ever it is, it is from this end, as in from my home PC end |
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| 13:24.08 | dakka | i actually couldnt get it to work with just ssh when i tried it from work, so I installed squid from work via ssh and got it working that way |
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| 13:24.41 | dakka | ssh connection worked, but no internet, so installed squid via ssh in terminal, and then presto it started working |
| 13:25.09 | dakka | at first i thought i had a firewall in place, but after a lot of hair pulling i finally figured i didn't, so the squid install idea seemed to work <shrug> |
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| 13:26.19 | moes | Is there a way to install debian lenny from a live kde cd |
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| 13:27.20 | Hydroxide | moes: the Debian Live team has made a kde-based lenny live cd that I think allows you to install from it |
| 13:27.21 | Aronofsky | moes: why would you do that ... instead of using regular ISO ? |
| 13:27.27 | dakka | thanks a lot for your help folks, i will go away now and try and install, i dare say it will take me a few days to get things up and running again...hehe |
| 13:27.28 | Hydroxide | moes: check http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | or use debootstrap ? |
| 13:27.44 | Hydroxide | abrotman: this uses d-i so it gives a more complete/standard result |
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| 13:27.55 | dakka | cyas |
| 13:27.58 | abrotman | dakka: just be patient .. it takes a bit more work than what you've done so far |
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| 13:28.04 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i didn't hitnk the livecds had the installer |
| 13:28.19 | dakka | i will try ;) thanks again peeps :D |
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| 13:28.29 | Hydroxide | abrotman: some of the betas or RCs didn't. I think the final version does |
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| 13:29.37 | Hydroxide | abrotman, moes: it's the normal debian installer, though. not something to copy the livecd to the HD |
| 13:29.44 | moes | In /usr/bin there are and install and install-menu exe file what are they for |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | Hydroxide: so debootstrap basically ? |
| 13:30.04 | Hydroxide | abrotman: no, full d-i. also debootstrap, but not just |
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| 13:30.58 | Hydroxide | moes: install is for copying files with certain ownership and permissions, and install-menu is used by the Debian infrastructure to manage the menu of installed applications |
| 13:31.03 | Hydroxide | moes: neither is related to installing a system |
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| 13:33.34 | Selveste1 | Hey :) I have just installed Lenny, when I install the XEN kernel and reboots it's loading normally for some time, and then it says "Starting xend. suspend: event channel 21" and restarts, there is nothing in the messages log :S it a clean install and works just fine when loading the normal kernel 2.6.26-1-686 the xen kernel is 2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
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| 13:34.55 | adb | moes: why not asking directly on #debian-live on oftc ? |
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| 13:35.16 | cast | Selveste1: check for a debian-xen channel, or mailing list, it's a bit specialized |
| 13:35.51 | moes | Hydroxide...Okay so I have tried Lenny KDE desktop off of live cd I cannot download because of dsl speed which set of cd's do I purchase |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | moes: what's wrong with your DSL speed ? |
| 13:37.23 | Selveste1 | cast - I will do that then =) |
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| 13:37.42 | moes | abrotman...dsl only 126-256 |
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| 13:38.41 | Prathibha | will jhbuild work for kde |
| 13:38.44 | cast | no need to have the cd set, unless you don't have internet access |
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| 13:39.55 | dokma | hi guys. am I right thinking that installing apc using 'pecl install apc' instead of 'apt-get install php-apc' could have caused intermitent apache crashes after apache and php have been upgraded? my contention is that apc was built against old system and was not compatible with the new one. |
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| 13:40.39 | abrotman | moes: that's fine ..it'll just take longer |
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| 13:41.41 | moes | abrotman....The iso recommended from forums would take 13 hours |
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| 13:42.45 | martiiin | Hello, I got a iso file wich I install debian from. And on my computer I have 3 partitions with WinXP, Win2003 and now I want debian on the other. Will debian overwrite anything during the installation or will he ask me for wich partition I want to install debian on? |
| 13:43.21 | NetHunter | martiiin: It'll ask you what partition you want to install |
| 13:43.28 | ronr | hi, I got my homedir shared between several machines which works great. However I'd like to have different iceweasel profiles on all machines, how can I do that? |
| 13:43.41 | NetHunter | martiiin: Debian doesn't do any changes to your partition table without asking first |
| 13:43.47 | martiiin | Where in the installation does it come NetHunter? I am currently doing something with DHCP that requries internet. |
| 13:44.21 | NetHunter | martiiin: A little bit later in the install. |
| 13:44.32 | martiiin | Ok then, I will continue my installation |
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| 13:44.36 | NetHunter | ronr: You could use Iceweasel's -ProfileManager setting |
| 13:44.44 | NetHunter | ronr: err, command line parameter |
| 13:46.11 | ronr | NetHunter: I'll check that, thx |
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| 13:50.08 | dokma | abrotman: what's your opinion on 'pecl install apc' vs 'apt-get install php-apc'. I'm finding articles all over the net suggesting pecl approach. |
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| 13:50.39 | SerajewelKS | dokma: the debian package is supported by debian. pecl packages are not. |
| 13:50.57 | CoolCold | wait a sec |
| 13:51.02 | dokma | SerajewelKS: my point exactly |
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| 13:51.22 | SerajewelKS | dokma: unless you need to use the pecl one for some reason, use debian packages |
| 13:51.40 | dokma | SerajewelKS: pecl has no way of maintaining consistency of the system once the dependencies of pecl packages have been changed |
| 13:52.07 | ktwilight_ | hm, manpages.debian.net needs an update. |
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| 13:53.37 | CoolCold | http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/07/howto_build_and_install_the_intl_pecl_extension_for_php5_in_debian/ |
| 13:54.21 | CoolCold | this will create deb package from extentin |
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| 13:55.34 | ktwilight_ | how do i find out why a package was installed via dpkg? i.e. what depended on the package. |
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| 13:55.48 | ktwilight_ | or is it apt-cache? hmm... *checks* |
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| 13:56.12 | ktwilight_ | aha so it is apt-cache. thanks anyways :) |
| 13:56.14 | TiOaN | hello |
| 13:56.20 | ktwilight_ | hi TiOaN |
| 13:56.30 | TiOaN | why debain 5.0 install lilo instead of grub if i couse / on lvm2 |
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| 13:56.55 | maligor | grub didn't use to work with lvm |
| 13:57.02 | maligor | it does now tho |
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| 13:57.26 | TiOaN | if i have normal /boot and only / on lvm2 i can use grub with lvm2 |
| 13:58.18 | TiOaN | and lilo now only shows ................ |
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| 13:58.21 | TiOaN | and dont boot |
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| 13:59.13 | TiOaN | maligor, ? |
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| 14:07.36 | batcoder-7 | are there any good tools out there to search db's ? |
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| 14:08.00 | cast | google? |
| 14:08.05 | cast | smiles |
| 14:08.29 | martiiin | batcoder-7 php works fine =) |
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| 14:09.27 | SlackLnx | hi sirs :) |
| 14:09.28 | petemc | some people find sql useful to search dbs |
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| 14:11.05 | batcoder-7 | i would like to search a dv and find out what table / row a certain entry is in |
| 14:11.15 | pfalcone | question: i can't seem to find /dev/log... How can i regenerate that file? |
| 14:11.21 | batcoder-7 | this would really speed things up moere then jsut guesing |
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| 14:11.45 | Bester_Penner_fo | need help, it is important, click at this link please: |
| 14:11.46 | Bester_Penner_fo | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/8610636/ |
| 14:11.48 | Bester_Penner_fo | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/8610636/ |
| 14:11.50 | pfalcone | Using debian sid, with the root partition in an lv. |
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| 14:14.57 | roadfish | Any tips on debugging/fixing audio capture? For example, arecord test.wav generates only a 44byte file. |
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| 14:20.53 | CoolCold | is it ok to compile kernel 2.6.28.8 on etch with make-kpkg? |
| 14:22.00 | kogyaru | what's the trigger to ask dpkg to tell me the debian package rebuilding process? |
| 14:22.07 | kogyaru | (I want to rebuild it from source) |
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| 14:22.38 | liable | CoolCold: should be |
| 14:22.54 | liable | hmm |
| 14:22.59 | liable | !buildpackage |
| 14:23.13 | liable | my memory is failing me |
| 14:23.18 | kogyaru | yeah, mine too |
| 14:24.13 | kogyaru | hm, build-dep |
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| 14:24.50 | kogyaru | I basically want to rebuild a package without certain dependencies. |
| 14:25.04 | liable | anyway, its apt-source foo, apt-get builddep; the dpkg-buidpackage |
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| 14:25.42 | stew | kogyaru: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 14:27.15 | Mal3ko | i have question to those that are using debian on sysmte with 4GB ram. Does with stock kernel in debian, it could already fully see 4GB memory? |
| 14:27.16 | kogyaru | cool. |
| 14:27.45 | Mal3ko | or it will need a kernel recompile to be abls to see 4GB? |
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| 14:28.25 | liable | i think the standard ones do 4, highmem up to 32 |
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| 14:29.13 | jelly | Mal3ko: which architecture have you installed, amd64 or i386? |
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| 14:30.36 | jelly | Mal3ko: the 64bit one will see all of it; i386 common -686 kernels see a little more than 3GB. The installer kernel for i386 can access only 1GB. |
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| 14:31.50 | jelly | !tell Mal3ko -about bigmem |
| 14:31.54 | Mal3ko | i havent install debian yet, im using ubuntu server right now but im considering to switch to debian if it really can see full 4GB. With ubuntu, I would have to recompile kernal with highmem flags set to enabled in order to achieve that but the problem is i have no exp with kernal recompiling so im choosing an easy way now |
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| 14:32.25 | liable | Mal3ko: they dont have bigmem kernels available? |
| 14:32.30 | stew | Mal3ko: both debian and ubuntu should have "bigmem" kernels which would see all the ram |
| 14:32.48 | jelly | Mal3ko: those are i386 distro kernels that allow usage of more than 3.4GB RAM, with some performance impact |
| 14:33.01 | Mal3ko | by bigmem you mean PAE kernal? |
| 14:33.10 | stew | Mal3ko: though if one has a 64 bit cpu, one probably should use a am64 kernel instead of bigmem, as there are inefficiencies in the way bigmem addresses memory |
| 14:33.14 | jelly | Mal3ko: yes. |
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| 14:33.46 | stew | Mal3ko: yes, but it would have "bigmem" in the name in debian, i'm not sure in ubuntu, but I'd gues it is also bigmem or server or something. #ubuntu should be able to point you to such a stock kernel |
| 14:33.59 | Mal3ko | jelly please tell me about the performance impact.. |
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| 14:34.22 | Mal3ko | what kind of perform impack..slowdown? |
| 14:34.22 | jelly | Mal3ko: I haven't benchmarked anything, sorry |
| 14:34.35 | jelly | in essence, yes |
| 14:34.57 | scientes | argg i cant unlock my gnome-panels |
| 14:34.57 | scientes | i locked them with pesalus and now they wont unlock |
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| 14:35.09 | stew | Mal3ko: cpu do you have? |
| 14:35.10 | Shockcore | hi guys, i am wondering if it's possible to boot witout /usr and /var ... i have divided sda to have sda5=/usr and sda6=/var but i want to change this and use / |
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| 14:35.32 | scientes | Shockcore, you cant do hardly anything without /usr |
| 14:35.36 | Mal3ko | <stew> Mal3ko: both debian and ubuntu should have "bigmem" kernels which would see all the ram |
| 14:35.42 | cast | i think he might be able to boot though |
| 14:35.50 | jelly | Shockcore: boot, yes. |
| 14:35.56 | liable | scientes: cant do much, but should be able to boot i would reckon |
| 14:36.04 | cast | Shockcore: the way of avoiding the question is to use a livecd :) |
| 14:36.21 | Shockcore | will i be able to ssh in after? |
| 14:36.25 | jelly | Shockcore: no |
| 14:36.27 | scientes | Mal3ko, yes those i686+ kernels could support up to 64GB ram |
| 14:36.29 | Shockcore | :( |
| 14:36.37 | jelly | !wayttd Shockcore |
| 14:36.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Shockcore? |
| 14:36.42 | yang | I have tried to add an entry inside /etc/crypttab "luks-1c08a5b7-9bcd-45a3-a93e-27501bfc29b6 UUID=1c08a5b7-9bcd-45a3-a93e-27501bfc29b6 none" the error with "initramfs" is "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -" |
| 14:36.44 | scientes | librahg, but not anything with the resulting system |
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| 14:37.05 | Shockcore | now : /dev/sda6 14G 742M 13G 6% /usr |
| 14:37.17 | Shockcore | i want /usr to be in / partition |
| 14:37.24 | liable | scientes: he would certainly be able to change mount points |
| 14:37.34 | Shockcore | so i need to move files from /dev/sda6 to /usr |
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| 14:37.42 | scientes | liable, he should use a livecd however |
| 14:38.03 | Shockcore | i am miles away from the box :) |
| 14:38.25 | jelly | Shockcore: can you go to single-user mode? |
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| 14:38.33 | Mal3ko | Well on ubuntu, although it uses pae kernal but it appears that it doesnt see >4gb ram as the key flags to unlock that ability - highmem4g and highmem64g are disabled in the default kernel |
| 14:38.40 | Shockcore | jelly how ? |
| 14:38.43 | cast | Shockcore: maybe there's a way to copy over /var from the old partition to the / while /var is mounted |
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| 14:39.05 | scientes | Mal3ko, this is debian |
| 14:39.14 | Shockcore | cast thats exactly what i want to do |
| 14:39.17 | scientes | Mal3ko, and there is a 64GB ram kernel for 686+ |
| 14:39.28 | liable | shouldnt be too hard. stop logging daemons, telinit 1, move mount points |
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| 14:39.51 | Mal3ko | scientes: i was responding to stew's message :p |
| 14:40.03 | Shockcore | i want to do /usr then /var |
| 14:40.04 | scientes | ahh |
| 14:40.15 | Mal3ko | scientes: im on 32 bit :( |
| 14:40.25 | jelly | Mal3ko: in general we don't know what ubuntu does with their kernels. Debian's -686 builds see about 3.4GB; -686-bigmem and -amd64 kernels see all the RAM |
| 14:40.25 | scientes | Mal3ko, 686 is 32bit |
| 14:40.27 | cast | Shockcore: hmm, now the question is how do you get access to the / so you can mkdir /var, *ponders* can you remount / ro, then mount / over at /mnt/, and mkdir /mnt/var? |
| 14:40.37 | scientes | Mal3ko, 686 is pentium 3 or later |
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| 14:41.13 | jelly | Mal3ko: do you have 32bit debian, or 32bit something-else-at-the-moment? |
| 14:41.20 | scientes | Shockcore, you can do it by doing a init to single |
| 14:41.55 | stew | Mal3ko: which cpu do you have? |
| 14:41.56 | Shockcore | well now i have 3 different answer |
| 14:41.59 | jelly | Mal3ko: because if it's something else, you might as well install a 64bit debian if you're planning to install debian, and need that RAM your your workload. |
| 14:42.06 | Mal3ko | just ubuntu server 32bit..i havent downloaded debian yet..but now im considering to install the distro on my server |
| 14:42.08 | cast | Shockcore: ahh, i know. what about a mount -bind, manpage suggests it won't include the sub mounts |
| 14:43.02 | Shockcore | whats the series of command i should use for /usr first? |
| 14:43.07 | scientes | Shockcore, yeah casts answer is the correct on, but it doesnt require remounting / as ro |
| 14:43.09 | Mal3ko | jelly: i guess im stuck with 32 bit anyhow since my apps would not run on 64bit |
| 14:43.25 | Shockcore | umount /usr dosent work |
| 14:43.33 | jelly | Mal3ko: you didn't answer the question, is it debian at present, or not? |
| 14:43.35 | Shockcore | i suppose i cant umount now :) |
| 14:43.38 | scientes | Shockcore, as mas as i know you can remount a drive as many times as you want |
| 14:43.42 | jelly | oh you did, sorry |
| 14:43.59 | cast | scientes: well, the first plan to mount the root partition a second time, would certainly want you to remount / ro, otherwise you'll fuck the filesystem up |
| 14:44.26 | jelly | Mal3ko: well. You can use either -686-bigmem (pae) or -amd64 kernel and a 32bit debian installation. |
| 14:44.33 | Shockcore | cast can i pm you? |
| 14:44.59 | cast | Shockcore: you can, but talking here has the advantage that other people can tell me i'm wrong |
| 14:45.06 | Shockcore | ok |
| 14:45.08 | scientes | cast, so the kernel actually mounts it twice? |
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| 14:45.10 | jelly | Mal3ko: some other apps won't work with an -amd64 kernel and 32bit userspace, though. virtualbox is one. |
| 14:45.16 | Shockcore | so what should i do now? |
| 14:45.22 | scientes | instead of just putting it in two differnt places/namespaces? |
| 14:45.28 | cast | Shockcore: i'd try the mount -bind first |
| 14:45.36 | Shockcore | i have /dev/sda6 14G 742M 13G 6% /usr |
| 14:45.44 | Shockcore | i want to eliminate sda6 completely |
| 14:45.56 | mischief6 | gparted & |
| 14:45.58 | mischief6 | :) |
| 14:46.05 | scientes | cast, i dont think you can physically mount a drive twice, it just fakes it so you dont have to ro it |
| 14:46.14 | scientes | cast, but i might be wrong |
| 14:46.57 | cast | scientes: hmm, yeah...its not letting me mount twice. :< --bind seems the right way to go |
| 14:47.10 | Mal3ko | <jelly> Mal3ko: you didn't answer the question, is it debian at present, or not? |
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| 14:47.24 | Mal3ko | jelly: sorry..it's ubuntu server 32bit atm |
| 14:47.36 | Shockcore | cast can you give me the mount bind example? |
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| 14:47.46 | scientes | cast, ive mounted twice, and bind does not fix the problem at all |
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| 14:48.04 | scientes | cast, but the question is weather the second mount is faked or read |
| 14:48.17 | Shockcore | mount --bind /dev/sda6 /usr ? |
| 14:48.30 | cast | Shockcore: mount --bind / /mnt/root/ |
| 14:48.50 | Shockcore | umm |
| 14:48.56 | scientes | cast, no that doesnt work |
| 14:49.07 | scientes | just mount it twice, the kernel is smart |
| 14:49.10 | cast | you sure, it just worked for me |
| 14:49.26 | scientes | but then then it binds the /var you are trying to get around |
| 14:49.35 | scientes | doesnt accomplish anything |
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| 14:49.50 | cast | scientes: no, it doesn't include submounts [--rbind does though] |
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| 14:50.17 | scientes | oh, well then regular mount does the exact same thing |
| 14:50.23 | scientes | it just calls a bind |
| 14:51.03 | Shockcore | so: mount --bind / /mnt/root/; cp /usr/* /mnt/root/usr; nano /etc/fstab to remove the /usr mount; reboot ? |
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| 14:51.21 | cast | Shockcore: sure, try it and see :) |
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| 14:51.30 | Shockcore | i cant just try lollll |
| 14:51.45 | Shockcore | i have to be 100% sure it will boot and that i will be able to login ssh again |
| 14:51.50 | Shockcore | else i will have to pay for tech support |
| 14:51.57 | cast | well then you'd just do nothing. |
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| 14:51.59 | scientes | that will do it, but either remount ro or use rsync |
| 14:52.25 | Shockcore | what you mean scientes |
| 14:52.39 | scientes | nevermind |
| 14:52.45 | scientes | stuff in usr is static |
| 14:52.45 | Shockcore | remount ro which? |
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| 14:52.58 | cast | Shockcore: boot boot boot. |
| 14:53.04 | scientes | that will do it |
| 14:53.06 | cast | Shockcore: pretend you're gambling |
| 14:53.06 | Shockcore | ok |
| 14:53.25 | scientes | do chroot /mnt/root if you want to be sure |
| 14:53.35 | scientes | you can actually do it without rebooting |
| 14:53.54 | scientes | but depends if you have console access or only ssh |
| 14:54.02 | Shockcore | only ssh |
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| 14:54.12 | scientes | then probably safer rebooting |
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| 14:54.31 | anerion | hi, does anyone know how i get mount.nfs4 to use IPv6 in lenny? |
| 14:54.34 | Shockcore | cp -R /usr/* /mnt/root/usr |
| 14:54.35 | Worf_ | reminds me of some dirty remote upgrade from some server late at night, and then i couldn't login after reboot. had to drive trough town because of that. and then i discovered all that was wrong was the order of the ethernet devices ... |
| 14:54.41 | Shockcore | is okey command? |
| 14:54.45 | Shockcore | will preserv chmod and stuff? |
| 14:54.53 | scientes | dont use /usr/* use /usr |
| 14:54.53 | cast | cp -a would do |
| 14:55.03 | scientes | cp -a /usr /mnt/root |
| 14:55.04 | Shockcore | ok |
| 14:55.19 | bjv | apt-get said: After unpacking 2101kB disk space will be freed. |
| 14:55.20 | bjv | but i did a dpkg --purge instead - but *more disk space was used?? |
| 14:55.20 | scientes | cause * doesnt copy hidden files |
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| 14:55.40 | bjv | where are these cache files? |
| 14:55.47 | scientes | (even though there arnt any) |
| 14:55.47 | Shockcore | so to do /var is it same process ? |
| 14:55.51 | bjv | "dpkg --purge tutorial-home-applet |
| 14:55.51 | bjv | (Reading database ... 16348 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 14:55.51 | bjv | Removing tutorial-home-applet ... |
| 14:55.51 | bjv | Cache file created successfully." |
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| 14:56.05 | Worf_ | bjv: /var/cache/apt ... you might want to do apt clean or autoclean or so ... |
| 14:56.06 | cast | Shockcore: sure, providing it works for /usr |
| 14:56.08 | scientes | Shockcore, except for /var you have to remount the /var partition read only |
| 14:56.16 | scientes | before copying |
| 14:56.16 | gentlyninja | when i do aptitude dist-upgrade there is a section with "recommended but not installed" how can i install them though? i tried aptitude --with-recommends dist-upgrade but still same |
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| 14:56.25 | scientes | this will make syslog barf at you perhaps |
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| 14:56.48 | cast | scientes: how did you mount / again sans bind? my mount complains its already mounted :< |
| 14:57.08 | scientes | hmm i have 2.6.27 |
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| 14:57.43 | tuxcrafter | hi all wtf happend with my gtk theme on debian sid after updateing some gtk packagas :-) |
| 14:57.44 | ubd | if i install debian on pca and plug the drive to pcb will it boot |
| 14:57.52 | ubd | PC-a |
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| 14:58.03 | bjv | i guess 4 lines was pushing it. |
| 14:58.16 | scientes | cast, but it just calls bind |
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| 14:58.18 | bjv | could someone explain that dpkg behavior? man page didnt help |
| 14:58.31 | cast | scientes: ah. |
| 14:58.34 | bjv | dpkg --purge gets me "Cache file created successfully" |
| 14:58.34 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up gets me "Cache file created successfully" all over bjv and yang... |
| 14:58.43 | scientes | cast, but it might be smarter as perhaps then you could unmount the origional |
| 14:59.04 | scientes | cast, as you wouldnt be able to do with bind |
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| 15:00.17 | egz | in aptitude search results what does 'id' indicate? |
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| 15:01.47 | ggdG | Is it possible to control the amount of disk I/O a process is allowed to use? (reason for this question is that some script I made got really stuck due to excessive swap usage) |
| 15:02.06 | scientes | ggdG, there is a IO nice |
| 15:02.10 | ubd | if i install debian on pc-a and plug the drive to pc-b will it boot |
| 15:02.19 | scientes | ggdG, man ionice |
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| 15:02.28 | ggdG | scientes: ok thanks |
| 15:02.35 | cast | using swap isn't really disk io from the processes point of view, |
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| 15:02.58 | scientes | if you ionice to idle scheduling class then it will not hurt any other process but still eventually finish |
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| 15:03.41 | dionysian | i'm trying to do a debian install using a usb flash drive, and i'm having a bit of trouble. i have used zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
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| 15:03.49 | martin868686 | I have two Debian machines with slightly different kernel versions. Is it possible to copy kernel module(.ko file) from one system to another? |
| 15:03.52 | dionysian | but i can't access the iso i want to install |
| 15:03.55 | ggdG | ok the reason is that I do not want to kill the process totally as I'd like to keep my python session but I will read the manpage :) |
| 15:04.08 | fedya | can someone point me to a openvpn howto please? |
| 15:04.26 | flokuehn | dionysian: for what do you want to access the iso? |
| 15:04.29 | cast | fedya: google, the openvpn site has then. |
| 15:04.35 | dionysian | to install debian |
| 15:04.42 | scientes | dionysian, you have to use POSIX not block operations |
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| 15:04.57 | martin868686 | fedya: I used this one: http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/howto.html |
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| 15:05.08 | scientes | dionysian, as boot.img.gz is not a file system |
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| 15:05.19 | fedya | thanks ill try that, the one i used i can't connect to |
| 15:05.51 | dionysian | scientes: the guide says use that command :-/ |
| 15:06.34 | scientes | dionysian, well then it might actually be a file system, but you dont have much control that way |
| 15:06.53 | scientes | dionysian, you can loop mount the unpacked img and see whats in side |
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| 15:07.14 | Shockcore | scientes how do you remount in ro when the device is busy? |
| 15:07.20 | scientes | dionysian, also make sure sdb is not a hard disk you accidentially whiped |
| 15:07.40 | dionysian | i know what sdb is |
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| 15:07.44 | cast | Shockcore: so it worked then? |
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| 15:08.00 | scientes | mount -o remount,ro /dev/foo /var |
| 15:08.15 | Shockcore | ok |
| 15:08.24 | Shockcore | cast /usr worked fine |
| 15:08.27 | Shockcore | now doing var |
| 15:08.30 | cast | sweet. |
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| 15:08.45 | Shockcore | thanks a lot |
| 15:08.46 | scientes | Shockcore, what are you going to do with the free disk space? |
| 15:08.48 | Shockcore | to you two |
| 15:08.50 | cast | never done that before :) |
| 15:08.59 | Shockcore | scientes i will resize / to use all space |
| 15:09.05 | scientes | how? |
| 15:09.08 | dionysian | scientes: yeah, it's a filesystem |
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| 15:09.26 | bjv | where is the Dpkg cache? i --purged a package, but instead of freeing space it cached something |
| 15:09.30 | bjv | and now uses more! |
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| 15:10.01 | pl | eLemean is a spambot. |
| 15:10.02 | scientes | dionysian, you might want this: http://download.openvz.org/template/precreated/contrib/debian-5.0-i386-minimal.tar.gz |
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| 15:10.22 | Shockcore | scientes using parted? |
| 15:10.23 | scientes | i meant Shockcore |
| 15:10.27 | cast | bjv: poke around in /var, maybe search for the pkg name |
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| 15:10.36 | scientes | Shockcore, you cant resize a partition while you are using it |
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| 15:10.49 | Shockcore | it told me to umount the partition |
| 15:10.49 | stew | pl: thanks, for notifying us. in the future feel free to use "!ops eLemean is a spambot" in order to ensure the right people are immediately notified |
| 15:10.51 | shafu | How can I disable ipv6 under debian? I dont like this inet6 addr: fec0::6:20c:29ff:fe74:acd3/64 Scope:Site when launching ifconfig |
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| 15:10.56 | Shockcore | and i couldnt umount var and usr |
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| 15:11.17 | scientes | Shockcore, if you rebooted usr should be mounted or in use |
| 15:11.19 | pl | stew, ok :) |
| 15:11.19 | Shockcore | anyway i find it stupid to have /usr /tmp and /var in diff partition |
| 15:11.24 | dionysian | scientes: how will i use this? |
| 15:11.28 | shafu | blacklisting ipv6 doesnt work |
| 15:11.31 | scientes | dionysian, i meant for Shockcore |
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| 15:11.46 | scientes | dionysian, is it working? |
| 15:11.49 | mroe | anyone have a method of matching mdns broadcasts with IP addresses? |
| 15:11.58 | dionysian | is what working? |
| 15:12.06 | scientes | dionysian, your boot usb drive |
| 15:12.13 | ggdG | Ok, I think ionice might not really solve my problem (although I'm really happy to have learned about this tool) but I'm currious now whether I could perhaps do something to increase the chance that the interpreter picks up the ctrl-C interrupt. Any suggestions? |
| 15:12.26 | dionysian | scientes: it is "working" |
| 15:12.33 | dionysian | it boots, loads an installer |
| 15:12.52 | Shockcore | mount -t ext3 -o remount,ro /dev/sda5 /var |
| 15:12.52 | Shockcore | mount: /var is busy |
| 15:12.55 | Shockcore | heh |
| 15:12.59 | dionysian | but it tries to find a cd and fails, then i can't install |
| 15:13.34 | bjv | cast: /var/lib/dpkg ~_~ |
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| 15:14.26 | valdyn | ggdG: swap is ram to the application |
| 15:14.36 | scientes | dionysian, use a netboot type of image |
| 15:14.39 | valdyn | ggdG: either that app is using more ram than it needs or you need more ram |
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| 15:14.56 | dionysian | scientes: how? |
| 15:15.22 | bjv | im going for it. |
| 15:15.23 | bjv | im going to delete /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
| 15:15.33 | bjv | that must be the 'cache' |
| 15:15.45 | bjv | it is slightly older and slightly larger then just 'status' |
| 15:15.53 | scientes | dionysian, i could do it manually, put a initrd kernel and grub on the flash drive. thats all you need for netboot |
| 15:16.02 | ggdG | valdyn: I'm afraid it is both... but I'd like to stop it without killing the actual python session so I thought I could perhaps interrupt it somehow so it catches the keyboardinterrupt I sent it some hours ago... |
| 15:16.05 | bjv | i dont need a backup of my package status, for packages that are no longer on the system |
| 15:16.13 | ggdG | valdyn: thanks for your reaction btw |
| 15:16.14 | bjv | also, im sure this will break my system... |
| 15:16.19 | bjv | but i need disk space. |
| 15:16.28 | scientes | dionysian, but i havnt done it vefore |
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| 15:16.58 | valdyn | ggdG: maybe you really just want to ctrl-Z |
| 15:17.04 | dionysian | i don't think netboot is an option for me |
| 15:17.15 | valdyn | ggdG: or use the equivalent signal |
| 15:17.20 | pablo | hi, i notived that libgtk packages was updated. may some apps be broken? or they shouldnt? |
| 15:17.23 | valdyn | ggdG: kill can send that one too |
| 15:17.27 | dionysian | i'm just trying to do the "usb stick" installation method |
| 15:17.34 | dionysian | i thought that was possible |
| 15:17.38 | Shockcore | scientes can i copy /var to /mnt/root witout remounting it readonly ? because the remount fails :( |
| 15:17.53 | pl | I'm a long time debian user, but recentry I played a bit with arch linux. I find arch's user repository (AUR) interesting, in particular because it makes possible to easly make arch's packages from cvs/svn/git/etc repositories. See, for example, http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/bgs-hg/bgs-hg/PKGBUILD for a such script. |
| 15:17.59 | ggdG | valdyn, guess it doesn't hurt to try. Thanks for the advice! |
| 15:18.03 | scientes | Shockcore, yeah, but you will loose log files and such inbetween |
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| 15:18.20 | cast | pl: ok. |
| 15:18.24 | pl | The open policy of AUR permits users to easly collaborate (but I admin the quality standard is not always high). I'm wondering if something similar exists also in debian |
| 15:18.35 | enouf | !pkgbuild |
| 15:18.41 | valdyn | pl: maybe tell us what AUR is |
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| 15:18.58 | enouf | valdyn: he did, just not in caps |
| 15:19.00 | pl | it's the Arch User Repository |
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| 15:19.21 | TiOaN | how i can create an lvm2 vg greater then 2 tb |
| 15:19.30 | bkw | What is xterm's default font? I would like to increase the font size. Tested xterm -fn *-fixed-*-*-*-14-*, but that changes the font too :\ |
| 15:19.38 | valdyn | enouf: still dont get what exactly it does |
| 15:19.40 | Shockcore | scientes: umm maybe you have an other way to remount in read only ? |
| 15:19.58 | enouf | TiOaN: grep LBD /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:20.12 | enouf | TiOaN: and why can't you? |
| 15:20.16 | valdyn | pl: is that a repository ? or a build script? or both? |
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| 15:20.21 | enouf | valdyn: i have no idea ;-) |
| 15:20.24 | TiOaN | enouf, i have an 4,5 tb partiton |
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| 15:20.31 | TiOaN | but lvm only show 79 gb |
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| 15:20.41 | omid8bimo | hey guys, |
| 15:20.41 | scientes | Shockcore, well you dont have to but you will loose log records that happen in that time |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | that's some Proprietary software in the way |
| 15:20.53 | Shockcore | ah ok |
| 15:20.53 | enouf | or controller or something |
| 15:20.55 | Shockcore | who cares :) |
| 15:21.09 | valdyn | TiOaN: you are confusing us by useing wrong terminology |
| 15:21.14 | Shockcore | oh umm i dont care finally, there is mysql inside that dir |
| 15:21.17 | pl | valdyn, AUR is a repository made of build scripts. The scripts instruct a program about how to download the source code, compile it and make an arch's package (equivalent of a .deb) |
| 15:21.17 | omid8bimo | is there nay fancy on-screen cpu/network etc monitor? kinda like transparent? |
| 15:21.21 | Shockcore | i will close mysql temp |
| 15:21.28 | c_cinq | hello |
| 15:21.28 | valdyn | TiOaN: a vg is not a partition, and the lvm(2) equivalent to partition is called lv or logical volume |
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| 15:21.33 | enouf | TiOaN: yes, lvm2 doesn't have 'partitions' |
| 15:21.51 | c_cinq | which file in /etc control when /tmp resets? |
| 15:22.03 | enouf | path_: sounds sakin to apt-build perhaps |
| 15:22.08 | enouf | er akin* |
| 15:22.13 | valdyn | i showhow doubt taht 2TB is a lvm limit either way, but i dont know this |
| 15:22.13 | TiOaN | http://rafb.net/p/ZnFtrX22.htm |
| 15:22.24 | martin868686 | Is it possible to copy kernel module(.ko file) from one system to another? |
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| 15:22.42 | valdyn | martin868686: i think you dont just want to copy |
| 15:22.46 | scientes | pl, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html perhaps |
| 15:22.53 | valdyn | martin868686: if the kernels are the same you can use it on a different computer |
| 15:23.05 | ma3x | hi, i have a virtual server but it's running with 64bit image - 2.6.24-23-xen. how can i install a 386 image? apt-cache search linux-image gives me only amd64 results |
| 15:23.11 | SerajewelKS | is there a telnet client that does better line buffering, e.g. if something is sent from the server it will erase what i have typed and reprint it, so i don't get all these jagged lines with what i'm typing spread over them all? |
| 15:23.31 | enouf | ma3x: go grab the .deb from pdo and install it |
| 15:23.43 | martin868686 | valdyn: kernels are slightly different versions but the name of the module is the same. However, the version of the module is different |
| 15:23.50 | enouf | ma3x: make sure you install any needed depends too |
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| 15:24.04 | enouf | ma3x: like maybe ia32-libs and friends |
| 15:24.09 | scientes | martin868686, then no, binary modules are only for exactally the same kernels |
| 15:24.21 | scientes | martin868686, you have to rebuild the module for each kernel |
| 15:24.22 | valdyn | martin868686: no simple answer then, it might work or not, and if the kernel permits loading of the module is a configuration option ( of the kernel ) at compile time |
| 15:24.28 | dionysian | what i want to do is: install debian from my usb stick. |
| 15:24.36 | omid8bimo | anyone any idea? |
| 15:24.45 | dionysian | i want to boot from my usb drive, and install debian |
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| 15:24.52 | jelly | TiOaN: http://rafb.net/p/ZnFtrX22.htm is a 404 for me |
| 15:24.53 | dionysian | not possible? |
| 15:24.55 | omid8bimo | is there any fancy on-screen cpu/network etc monitor? kinda like to be transparent? |
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| 15:25.14 | pl | scientes, that is good, but needs the source code to be in the .deb file. It would be nice to have a way to automagically pull source from svn/git/... repos (or .tgz files from the program's homepage) |
| 15:25.17 | valdyn | pl: something like this should be very very rarely needed on debian |
| 15:25.21 | enouf | omid8bimo: well, transparency is more WM/DE related - is conky one? |
| 15:25.23 | linduxed | i would need to check what groups can access folder X and add another group to that list, how do i do that? |
| 15:25.34 | pl | valdyn, I know it's not the debian way. |
| 15:25.40 | valdyn | pl: somehow theres always someone who did it better than you would and already made a package |
| 15:25.40 | scientes | dionysian, wait i misspoke, with initrd and kernel you can do a netinst so you boot of the usbor whatever and then install from the internet |
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| 15:25.59 | martin868686 | scientes: and valdyn: thank you! |
| 15:26.05 | scientes | pl, if you do apt-get source then it tells you where the upstream source comes from |
| 15:26.06 | valdyn | pl: oh, its not really against the debian way, its just that no one bothered to do it |
| 15:26.11 | omid8bimo | enouf: i don't know what's conky! let me try it |
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| 15:26.29 | valdyn | pl: the infrastructure is all there, just not the script linking all those things into 1 single tool |
| 15:26.46 | scientes | martin868686, you google for help on building modules, its not always straight forward |
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| 15:26.58 | maligor | I don't get it.. I just installed lenny and moved to sid from it and PolicyKit works fine on that installation |
| 15:27.01 | ma3x | enouf: for my virtual server should i install the openvz image or the normal one? |
| 15:27.06 | maligor | but on this old installation it doesn't work |
| 15:27.14 | pl | scientes, I'll study the .debs more, maybe it's possibile to do everything just with that. |
| 15:27.19 | enouf | ma3x: no idea .. |
| 15:27.33 | dionysian | scientes: i thought that was possible... but i've been unable |
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| 15:27.45 | scientes | pl, although i definetely think it debian needs a stronger build system that can be be super easy for end users |
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| 15:27.51 | enouf | ma3x: but running openvz in a XEN vm somehow just seems ... odd :-P |
| 15:27.58 | valdyn | pl: this means that anyone could write this tool in an hour, but i dont know anyone who did it |
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| 15:28.14 | scientes | dionysian, so whats the situation you are in? |
| 15:28.30 | pl | scientes, do end users need to build packages from source? |
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| 15:28.41 | maligor | it just gives me: pam_unix(polkit:auth): auth could not identify password for [root] |
| 15:28.51 | valdyn | pl: they do it alot |
| 15:28.55 | scientes | pl, in debian everyhing is available in its end form, only source if it is a interpreted language |
| 15:28.57 | Akuw | i have a HP LaserJet P1005 |
| 15:29.01 | valdyn | pl: unfortunately for them, i might add ) |
| 15:29.08 | Akuw | i am trying to install it using hp-setup |
| 15:29.18 | Akuw | i have hp-lip installed |
| 15:29.26 | scientes | pl, but being able to build from source would be great for getting up to date apckages of certain things |
| 15:29.38 | enouf | pl: once you understand what /msg dpkg deb-src tells you, you can apt-get update ; apt-cache showsrc <sourcepkgname> |
| 15:29.42 | maligor | and I guess noone knows anything about polkit :P |
| 15:29.52 | valdyn | pl: apt-get source somepackage; apply the diff to a newer version upstream source, adjust changelog, build |
| 15:30.05 | maligor | maybe I should check difference between pam configs |
| 15:30.15 | valdyn | pl: that probably works for most packages |
| 15:30.32 | omid8bimo | enouf: i've installed conky. it looks cool |
| 15:30.32 | pl | that is an interesting point |
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| 15:30.44 | jelly | TiOaN: http://rafb.net/p/ZnFtrX22.html works, though. what does pvdisplay say? You have pv-s, then vg-s inside them, then lv-s inside vg-s. Your paste only shows two small volume groups (vg-s), perhaps you need to extend one of those or create a new one |
| 15:30.47 | enouf | omid8bimo: ^five ;-) |
| 15:31.01 | omid8bimo | enouf: but i like it to be like.. printed on the desktop and without frame |
| 15:31.15 | Akuw | once installed i try to print a test page, but the printer print nothing |
| 15:31.26 | Akuw | i test it using gnewsense and that works |
| 15:31.28 | TiOaN | jelly i must switch to gpt instead of msdos |
| 15:31.31 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 15:31.31 | dpkg | methinks cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf |
| 15:31.35 | valdyn | Akuw: ^^ |
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| 15:32.23 | nicolagreco | someone can help me with mysql? i can't use mysql remotely |
| 15:32.27 | enouf | omid8bimo: which Desktop Env (DE) are you using? gnome, kde, xfce? |
| 15:32.45 | omid8bimo | enouf: gnome 2.22 |
| 15:32.47 | valdyn | nicolagreco: right, thats default, so make it listen on remote interfaces or on all |
| 15:32.48 | nicolagreco | i would user mysql from another server but it fails |
| 15:32.50 | TiOaN | how i can create one partition over the whole disk with parted |
| 15:32.50 | omid8bimo | on lenny |
| 15:32.52 | module000 | nicolagreco: have you added a user with rights to access it from other than localhost? is yoru firewall configured to allow it to be accessed? |
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| 15:33.12 | valdyn | nicolagreco: google knows, the docs know, reading the config file probably is straightforward too |
| 15:33.15 | jelly | TiOaN: is this a boot disk? |
| 15:33.16 | enouf | omid8bimo: i wouldn't know exactly how to enable that, but i think conky can do it - so long as your DE or WM (Window Manager) can |
| 15:33.33 | nicolagreco | i think this is a firewall problem.. look here ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '91.121.182.189' (111) |
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| 15:33.51 | module000 | nicolagreco: properly configure your firewall |
| 15:33.52 | omid8bimo | enouf: i'll try more options on it |
| 15:33.53 | valdyn | nicolagreco: i already told you waht it is |
| 15:33.54 | TiOaN | jelly no |
| 15:34.03 | valdyn | nicolagreco: if theres a firewall issue on top of that, fix it too ;) |
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| 15:34.06 | jelly | TiOaN: so why not use the whole device for pv? |
| 15:34.09 | omid8bimo | is there any other package or tool like this conky? |
| 15:34.14 | enouf | omid8bimo: /msg dpkg gnome (if nobody chimes in soon) - and ask about enabling transparency, let them know if compiz and/or proprietary video drivers are being used |
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| 15:34.28 | jelly | TiOaN: no need for partitions |
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| 15:34.31 | enouf | omid8bimo: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:34.33 | omid8bimo | enouf: sure dude |
| 15:34.36 | TiOaN | okay |
| 15:34.43 | valdyn | TiOaN: unless you need to boot from that device |
| 15:34.46 | nicolagreco | valdyn: how can i do what you said ? |
| 15:35.01 | valdyn | nicolagreco: editor /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 15:35.07 | Mr_Grieves| | Hi, I have a question about equivs -- is there a way to set a version number for a provided package in an equiv? |
| 15:35.35 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: is it possible to have a package installed that is not versioned? |
| 15:35.38 | Akuw | ok, no work |
| 15:35.50 | maligor | Mr_Grieves|, err? yes? |
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| 15:36.02 | Akuw | i made you told me but when i send the test page to printer never print |
| 15:36.07 | maligor | the "Version:" in the control file perhaps? |
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| 15:36.32 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: the changelog can determine the version |
| 15:36.54 | Mr_Grieves| | Hmm, here's my situation. I'm trying to install kalzium, which depends on openbabel. I have openbabel installed from source. |
| 15:36.57 | nicolagreco | valdyn: what do i have to edit now ? |
| 15:37.15 | valdyn | nicolagreco: id have to open my.cnf and read |
| 15:37.19 | valdyn | nicolagreco: im not going to |
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| 15:37.38 | Mr_Grieves| | I made an equiv for openbabel at version 2.2.9999, since it is an svn version. Kalzium requires openbabel >= 2.2.0 |
| 15:38.16 | Mr_Grieves| | I've installed the equiv, but apt keeps telling me I need openbabel when I mark kalzium for installation. |
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| 15:38.42 | nicolagreco | valdyn: is that the line i've to edit ? bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:38.51 | valdyn | nicolagreco: looks like it |
| 15:39.19 | Mr_Grieves| | To be specific, it's wanting libopenbabel3, which is what I've added to provides in the openbabel-local equiv file. |
| 15:39.19 | TiOaN | jelly http://rafb.net/p/aKJPQM32.html and now |
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| 15:39.34 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: thats not a version |
| 15:39.41 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: the 3 is part of the package name |
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| 15:39.57 | Mr_Grieves| | valdyn: Right -- I've set the version of the equiv to 2.2.9999 |
| 15:40.03 | bbelt16ag2 | hey peeps should i be using KVM install of virtualbox to create virtual machines? |
| 15:40.22 | valdyn | bbelt16ag2: up to you |
| 15:40.33 | jelly | TiOaN: sorry, I missed your current pvdisplay pastebin, can you repeat the url? |
| 15:40.36 | CoolCold | tryed to install 2.6.28.8 - tryed to boot, but failed to mount root |
| 15:40.38 | kbr | Hi, does anybody know iceweasel 3.0.6 is no longer working with lpr printing? |
| 15:40.45 | bbelt16ag2 | does kvm work better? |
| 15:40.47 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 15:40.47 | TiOaN | http://rafb.net/p/aKJPQM32.html |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:40.49 | valdyn | CoolCold: ^^^ |
| 15:41.01 | jelly | TiOaN: that's not pvdisplay |
| 15:41.07 | CoolCold | as i see, md starts before disk detection |
| 15:41.10 | Mr_Grieves| | Here's what I've got: http://pastebin.com/m263c68a6 |
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| 15:41.43 | CoolCold | !custom kernel |
| 15:41.43 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:41.46 | enouf | CoolCold: redo the initrd correctly |
| 15:41.51 | TiOaN | jelly yes because pvdisplay is emtpy |
| 15:42.13 | bkw | hm, should be possible to increase xterm font size without changing the font. |
| 15:42.19 | CoolCold | enouf: mm...what you mean? initrd was generated automatically when installing package |
| 15:42.28 | Mr_Grieves| | Is my equiv setup file wrong? |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | CoolCold: who made pkg? how did you install it? |
| 15:42.59 | magyar_ | off topic: what is the proper name when a provider is using their dns to resolve non-existent FQDN to their marketing page? |
| 15:43.01 | CoolCold | enouf: i, with make-kpkg |
| 15:43.06 | Shockcore | how do you resize a swap partition ??? even if it's being used? |
| 15:43.09 | CoolCold | as usual.. |
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| 15:43.47 | enouf | CoolCold: well .. you have / on mdadm ? |
| 15:43.54 | CoolCold | enouf: yes |
| 15:44.00 | enouf | Shockcore: swapoff |
| 15:44.03 | CoolCold | 2.6.25.2 boots nice |
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| 15:44.05 | TiOaN | jelly some idea |
| 15:44.10 | enouf | Shockcore: try sync prior as well |
| 15:44.21 | CoolCold | but 2.6.25.2 is kmuto's build |
| 15:44.24 | jelly | TiOaN: do you have anything weird in lvm.conf, like the message suggests? egrep -v '^[[:blank:]]*(#|$)' /etc/lvm/lvm.conf Does the kernel think there's still a partition table on sdb present? /proc/partitions? |
| 15:44.28 | pozic | How can I check whether my new sshd_config file is valid? I don't want to lock myself out of a machine. |
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| 15:44.49 | enouf | Shockcore: at worst, try the /drop_caches to get swapoff to cooperate, but be careful - you might crash soon thereafter |
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| 15:44.57 | valdyn | pozic: your current ssh connection is not affected |
| 15:45.03 | TiOaN | jelly can i query you |
| 15:45.12 | valdyn | pozic: so just stay logged in till you got it right |
| 15:45.14 | pozic | valdyn: heh, that's genious :) |
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| 15:45.18 | jelly | TiOaN: in pravite? no, please use the channel |
| 15:45.21 | Akuw | valdyn: when i look the model to install the printer there is no LAserJet P1005 |
| 15:45.28 | pozic | genius* |
| 15:45.29 | valdyn | pozic: or even better, first start another sshd |
| 15:45.36 | Mr_Grieves| | valdyn: Does this look right for what I'm trying to do? http://pastebin.com/m263c68a6 |
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| 15:45.43 | jelly | TiOaN: that way someone else can jump in whem I'm busy |
| 15:45.50 | TiOaN | jelly http://rafb.net/p/rdnOns27.html |
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| 15:46.03 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: i didnt see your actual error yet |
| 15:46.05 | pozic | valdyn: how do I do that? Won't it just say: sshd already running on this and that port? |
| 15:46.06 | enouf | CoolCold: ensure the modules you need to mount / are listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.28.x.x.x.x.x |
| 15:46.21 | valdyn | pozic: sshd -p <portnum> |
| 15:46.55 | valdyn | pozic: or uh, even better while 1; do sshd -d <portnum>;done |
| 15:47.05 | jelly | TiOaN: and lvm.conf? have you zeroed the first sector of sdb, like man pvcreate tells you to? |
| 15:47.14 | valdyn | pozic: that sshd will terminate after you logged in and out once |
| 15:47.17 | TiOaN | i use the lvm.conf from debian |
| 15:47.19 | valdyn | pozic: so that loop |
| 15:47.29 | Akuw | valdyn: when i look the model to install the printer there is no LAserJet P1005 |
| 15:47.35 | TiOaN | how i can zeroed? |
| 15:47.48 | Mr_Grieves| | valdyn: not really any error, here's whats happening when I try to install kalzium: http://pastebin.com/m1b847e33 |
| 15:47.59 | pozic | valdyn: won't that repeatedly start sshd? |
| 15:48.12 | CoolCold | enouf: well, looks like modules are ok |
| 15:48.18 | valdyn | !depends kalzium |
| 15:48.29 | valdyn | judd: depends kalzium |
| 15:48.29 | judd | valdyn: kalzium -- Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkdeedu3 (>= 4:3.5.9), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), kalzium-data (>> 4:3.5.9), kalzium-data (<< 4:3.5.10), kdeedu-data (>> 4:3.5.9), kdeedu-data (<< 4:3.5.10) |
| 15:48.40 | CoolCold | enouf: i can see message about 'starting mdadm'...failed to assemble array |
| 15:48.53 | valdyn | CoolCold: i cant see where its depending on libopenbabel3 yet |
| 15:48.58 | Mr_Grieves| | valdyn: It's trying to pull in libopenbabel3 which is install from source, and I've already added the equiv int he other pastebin to make it not pull in libopenbabel3. |
| 15:48.59 | CoolCold | and then there are messages about sda detected, sdb detected and so on |
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| 15:49.00 | dpkg | kalzium: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkdeedu3 (>= 4:3.5.9), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), kalzium-data (>> 4:3.5.9), kalzium-data (<< 4:3.5.10), kdeedu-data (>> 4:3.5.9), kdeedu-data (<< 4:3.5.10) |
| 15:49.16 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: i cant see where its depending on libopenbabel3 yet |
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| 15:49.33 | cads | hello, I'm having trouble with my default keyring |
| 15:49.46 | TiOaN | jelly how i can zero it? |
| 15:49.50 | Mr_Grieves| | valdyn: I'm actually in ubuntu using their repos -- unfortunately those in #ubuntu aren't very familiar with equivs... |
| 15:50.04 | cads | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.20 | jelly | TiOaN: man pvcreate tells you how. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
| 15:50.30 | enouf | CoolCold: check what /etc/default/mdadm says - also, recheck your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - are you using UUIDs? |
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| 15:50.32 | TiOaN | i have found it now |
| 15:50.33 | TiOaN | sry |
| 15:50.37 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: maybe the libopenbabl3 dependency is versioned and comes from a different package |
| 15:51.04 | valdyn | Mr_Grieves|: i cant support ubuntu, in debian kalzium does not depend on any babel |
| 15:51.08 | enouf | CoolCold: also /msg dpkg bootlogd (before i forget to mention it) |
| 15:51.40 | TiOaN | http://rafb.net/p/BGrhQ563.html |
| 15:51.42 | TiOaN | works now |
| 15:51.58 | Mr_Grieves| | Hrm, ok. Is there a general apt channel? I couldn't find one before I came here. |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | no |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | ask the channel for your distro |
| 15:53.08 | Mr_Grieves| | abrotman: Ok. I'll try again in #ubuntu later. |
| 15:53.15 | Mr_Grieves| | Thanks guys :) |
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| 15:54.26 | cads | hrm, that was silly |
| 15:54.58 | cads | I just had to change the password from seahorse, it accepted my user password |
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| 15:55.45 | cads | how could the passwords get out of sync like that: when I would connect to a secured wireless network and it would ask the password, it would not accept the user pass |
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| 15:56.46 | anoHito | my server all of a sudden the load average is bumping up,how do i check what is going on ? |
| 15:56.55 | anoHito | load average: 40.84, 23.91, 16.71 |
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| 15:57.12 | anoHito | usually they all should be less than 1 |
| 15:57.31 | Zakabog | anoHito, top |
| 15:57.40 | anoHito | Zakabog, running |
| 15:57.51 | Zakabog | Do you see anything using a lot of CPU? |
| 15:57.54 | anoHito | still rising |
| 15:57.56 | enouf | jelly-home: following TiOaN 's recent lvm2 issues; was GPT ever a factor in any of that? (i mean was it ever needed? or was that just 'parted' related readings?) |
| 15:58.15 | anoHito | Zakabog, apache |
| 15:58.30 | anoHito | Zakabog, apache is using 12% |
| 15:58.38 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.39 | CoolCold | enouf: default/mdadm & mdadm.conf looks ok, reading about bootlogd |
| 15:58.41 | anoHito | gees! |
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| 15:59.03 | enouf | CoolCold: did you ever do what i 1st mentioned? |
| 15:59.30 | enouf | and which you never responded to - in any way - yet |
| 15:59.32 | valdyn | anoHito: loadavg isnt cpu usage |
| 15:59.51 | valdyn | anoHito: read how many processes are R state + D state |
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| 15:59.54 | Shockcore | enouf thanks, but now how can i resize hda1 ? |
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| 16:00.06 | enouf | Shockcore: cat /proc/swaps |
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| 16:00.45 | enouf | Shockcore: you need to obviously obtain the space from somewhere ... i'd delete the partition once swapoff, and just create a larger one |
| 16:00.47 | TiOaN | enouf, with mbr lvm only fpound 79 gb |
| 16:00.52 | enouf | then mkswap, swapon |
| 16:00.57 | TiOaN | with gpt now 4,09 tb |
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| 16:01.11 | TiOaN | but raid array should have 4,448 tb |
| 16:01.29 | cast | i presume he means . and not , |
| 16:01.30 | CoolCold | enouf: if you talking about /etc/initramfs-tools/modules - it's empty (commented out) |
| 16:01.34 | enouf | TiOaN: you needed to do pvcreate though, no? and wipe the 1st sector priuor? |
| 16:01.38 | Shockcore | enouf i resized swap i need to resize main partition to make it bigger |
| 16:01.41 | enouf | CoolCold: well - fix that |
| 16:01.58 | TiOaN | enouf, i have switch to gpt then wipe 1 sector |
| 16:02.00 | TiOaN | and create |
| 16:02.01 | enouf | Shockcore: gparted might help with partition resizing - careful - make backups |
| 16:02.15 | enouf | Shockcore: man sfdisk ; see the -d option as well |
| 16:02.17 | CoolCold | enouf: you mean module load order in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules may help or what? |
| 16:02.28 | enouf | CoolCold: no |
| 16:02.30 | CoolCold | as i can see all needed modules are loaded (since i can detect drives) |
| 16:02.34 | Shockcore | i use parted via ssh and it says partition is busy :( |
| 16:02.43 | enouf | CoolCold: you should read what i wrote |
| 16:02.48 | valdyn | CoolCold: you dont really need to look anywhere else but your misconfigured kernel |
| 16:02.58 | enouf | CoolCold: <enouf> CoolCold: ensure the modules you need to mount / are listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.28.x.x.x.x.x |
| 16:03.37 | enouf | CoolCold: you need mdadm/dm modules - as well as / FStype and disk controller ones maybe ...where i mention |
| 16:04.08 | valdyn | enouf: debian does all this right by default. |
| 16:04.29 | enouf | valdyn: Debian Kernels .. it just works[tm] ;-) |
| 16:04.31 | CoolCold | enouf: so, you mean my initrd may miss needed modules or what? |
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| 16:04.43 | CoolCold | valdyn: what you mean? |
| 16:04.47 | enouf | CoolCold: you are starting to catch on .. alittle |
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| 16:04.57 | anoHito | valdyn, stil there ? |
| 16:04.58 | valdyn | CoolCold: i mean that your error is there because your kernel is wrongly configured |
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| 16:05.09 | valdyn | anoHito: no |
| 16:05.15 | anoHito | valdyn, i found the reason,there were attacking |
| 16:05.25 | anoHito | but the IPs look very strange |
| 16:05.27 | CoolCold | valdyn: can you say a bit more about wrong configuration? |
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| 16:05.39 | valdyn | CoolCold: no, i dont know where you configured it wrong |
| 16:05.57 | enouf | CoolCold: he's just reaffirming what i said - but a bit more terse ;-) |
| 16:06.33 | anoHito | valdyn, http://jp.pastebin.ca/1366254 |
| 16:06.47 | enouf | CoolCold: i told you the needed steps i would use to try and fix your goof ups - that's all i can do |
| 16:06.48 | CoolCold | enouf: i'll unpack initrd and check, but i guess you are wrong cuz 1) i can see mdadm starts 2) i can see drives are detected, but cuz md starts before disks are detected it can't find drives, so not assembling arrays |
| 16:06.49 | anoHito | valdyn, the IPs look very strange, i doubt they are faked IP sources |
| 16:07.01 | valdyn | anoHito: are you running a php site? |
| 16:07.10 | anoHito | valdyn, they are the numbers one by one,notice ? |
| 16:07.13 | anoHito | valdyn, yeah |
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| 16:07.21 | valdyn | anoHito: so youre probably spamming the internets now |
| 16:07.24 | enouf | CoolCold: no, i don't think i'm wrong - but if you insist, have it your way |
| 16:07.35 | valdyn | anoHito: php app holes are very very popular a target |
| 16:07.58 | hallowname | im having a confusion with debian lenny's default gimp. when i try to use the text tool, my letters are constrained to a tiny letter layer, unproportional to the font size. known bug? i see it on 4 debian installs here. |
| 16:08.25 | valdyn | anoHito: i dont think someone was trying to dos you though; why would someone waste resources to DoS you? |
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| 16:08.38 | enouf | CoolCold: you can see your most recent initrd stuffs in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ anyway - no need to zcat .. | cpio -i your initrd (if you built and installed it correctly) |
| 16:08.43 | anoHito | valdyn, they datacentre is saying this look like ARP attack |
| 16:08.54 | valdyn | anoHito: ah,so DoS indeed |
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| 16:09.09 | anoHito | valdyn, but did you check the ips ? they are strange |
| 16:09.15 | smaceda | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKxIHXg5XJ8 |
| 16:09.18 | anoHito | valdyn, the numbers are one by one http://jp.pastebin.ca/1366254 |
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| 16:09.34 | valdyn | anoHito: they're funnily close |
| 16:09.47 | anoHito | valdyn, yeah, i amnot sure this is arp attack or what |
| 16:10.03 | enouf | CoolCold: it's possible your disks are detected properly due to /dev/names vs /dev/disk/by-{label,uuid} but that's another story |
| 16:10.07 | anoHito | valdyn, but i just ban them in iptables, now the load average quickely going down to normal |
| 16:10.11 | enouf | improperly* |
| 16:10.14 | valdyn | anoHito: chinese |
| 16:10.21 | anoHito | valdyn, load average: 0.96, 11.16, 19.15 |
| 16:10.22 | valdyn | anoHito: are you hosting political stuff? |
| 16:10.32 | anoHito | valdyn, no ,lol why ? |
| 16:10.37 | valdyn | anoHito: or is some chinese student abusing his university network? |
| 16:10.52 | valdyn | anoHito: because script kiddies dont have access to computers all in the same network |
| 16:11.07 | valdyn | anoHito: nor do botnets members all come from the same network |
| 16:11.12 | anoHito | valdyn, well, this arp thing has have happened right 2 days ago or something,in the middle of night, the datacentre had to shut down that machine in the Lan |
| 16:11.25 | enouf | CoolCold: what RAID level is it? and where is /boot? in the RIAD? on / FS? |
| 16:11.36 | valdyn | anoHito: this looks like someone using a datacenter to dos you |
| 16:11.49 | anoHito | valdyn, hmm due to your expenriences, would those ip addresses remind you something ? i mean,do they look like arp thing ? |
| 16:12.01 | anoHito | valdyn, i see. |
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| 16:12.15 | CoolCold | enouf: raid 1, ext3 |
| 16:12.22 | anoHito | valdyn, you meant bandwidth attack ,i think i get it. |
| 16:12.23 | valdyn | anoHito: its from someone in china owning at least that dozen ip addresses |
| 16:12.29 | anoHito | high bandwidth ddos. |
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| 16:12.50 | anoHito | valdyn, couldnt they be faked ? |
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| 16:13.12 | CoolCold | -> server room, rebooting machine |
| 16:13.21 | valdyn | anoHito: i dont think so, not that easily |
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| 16:13.46 | valdyn | anoHito: unless the attack comes from your datacenter |
| 16:14.10 | jamon | anoHito: tcpdump wil help you unless your iptables rules have stopped things |
| 16:14.26 | valdyn | anoHito: i can fake ip addresses that i already own, but i cant fake a random one |
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| 16:14.35 | jamon | also, arpwatch is a good tool to install |
| 16:14.36 | anoHito | valdyn, this is very strange, because i have been talking to another IDC to discusee to move my server to their datacentre |
| 16:14.57 | testingdebian | hi... when i upgrading my debian system.. i get this error : " no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `./usr/bin/ispell-wrapper' (que es lo que se iba a instalar): `handle' de fichero NFS en desuso Procesando disparadores para man-db .." for the dictionaries-common package.. how can i fix that? |
| 16:14.57 | anoHito | valdyn, then after the talk,we signed the contract, and right after that, the attack was engaged |
| 16:15.14 | anoHito | valdyn, yeah the IPs look very strange,they seem they are from the same datacentre |
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| 16:15.25 | enouf | testingdebian: export LANG=C ; command ... to obtain englsih output |
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| 16:15.41 | jamon | what companies are you dealing with anoHito, remind me to stay away from them :p |
| 16:15.47 | Shockcore | enouf: so there is no way to resize my / partition witout booting into a livecd ? |
| 16:16.03 | valdyn | anoHito: chinanet owns 220.181.0.0 - 220.181.255.255 |
| 16:16.04 | enouf | testingdebian: or just prefix each command with that VAR= i proposed |
| 16:16.10 | valdyn | anoHito: so your attack is from chinanet |
| 16:16.29 | valdyn | anoHito: thats all i can tell, i cant tell if theres 3rd party abusing chinanet or whatever |
| 16:16.36 | enouf | Shockcore: i have no idea what's on your disk, nor your partition layout, nor free space .. etc etc |
| 16:16.45 | testingdebian | ok.. enouf wait |
| 16:16.53 | enouf | Shockcore: you asked about swap , not / |
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| 16:17.14 | testingdebian | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dictionaries-common_1.0.0_all.deb (--unpack): unable to stat `./usr/bin/ispell-wrapper' (which I was about to install): Stale NFS file handle |
| 16:17.15 | dpkg | testingdebian: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 16:17.20 | testingdebian | thats the error.. |
| 16:17.27 | anoHito | jamon, i was talking to www.idc2.com.cn |
| 16:17.30 | valdyn | anoHito: so first thing i would do is block chinanet locally |
| 16:17.34 | stew | Shockcore: you want to make it bigger or smaller? and which filesystem? |
| 16:17.41 | Shockcore | http://rafb.net/p/hOvObI14.html |
| 16:17.51 | Shockcore | sda1 has to be bigger |
| 16:18.02 | Shockcore | i need increase the END block |
| 16:18.09 | stew | Shockcore: what filesystem is on it? |
| 16:18.11 | valdyn | anoHito: and thats just one simple iptables rule |
| 16:18.15 | Shockcore | ext3 |
| 16:18.28 | testingdebian | enouf: what do you think? |
| 16:18.28 | stew | Shockcore: resize2fs can grow only ext3 partitions |
| 16:18.33 | anoHito | valdyn, the load average from normal to almost 50 and was still rising before i ban them |
| 16:18.42 | stew | Shockcore: err, resize2fs can grow online ext3 partitions |
| 16:18.51 | anoHito | valdyn, i ban them and did a apache restart,cuz i have established line inthe rules |
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| 16:19.12 | testingdebian | http://pastebin.ca/1366266 |
| 16:19.16 | testingdebian | that my error |
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| 16:19.29 | anoHito | valdyn, right after that, the load vaerage going down to normal. i checked, during the attack,the apache including tcp connections numbers were normal |
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| 16:19.40 | anoHito | just the load average was very very high |
| 16:19.47 | Shockcore | stew but will resize2fs resize the partition as well? |
| 16:19.55 | riot | wow. unstable seems to suck ATM. |
| 16:20.10 | stew | Shockcore: no, just the filesystem after you have increased the size of the partition |
| 16:20.32 | riot | no linux-kbuild for 2.6.28 available?? No linux-headers for 2.6.26 right now? How am i supposed to use the module assistant then? |
| 16:20.39 | Shockcore | i need to increade the size of partition with parted but it wont let me do it... |
| 16:20.43 | stew | Shockcore: so you'd have to swapoff, change the partition layout, then resize2fs and mkswap |
| 16:20.46 | jamon | anoHito: idc2.com.cn is an ip in a netblock that is owned by chinanet as well |
| 16:20.48 | riot | where have the 26-headers gone?? :( |
| 16:20.52 | stew | Shockcore: you don't need to use parted |
| 16:21.00 | testingdebian | somebody know? i'm on testing distribution |
| 16:21.10 | anoHito | jamon, hmm |
| 16:21.13 | stew | Shockcore: though you need to be very careful |
| 16:21.17 | Shockcore | why swapoff? |
| 16:21.38 | jamon | i wouldn't go near them tbh |
| 16:21.57 | testingdebian | :( |
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| 16:22.04 | stew | Shockcore: becuase you cant shring an online swap partition |
| 16:22.10 | stew | shrink* |
| 16:22.21 | megatog615 | anyone aware of the lsb-base breakage recently? |
| 16:22.28 | megatog615 | in debian sid |
| 16:22.46 | megatog615 | i want to make sure it's not just me |
| 16:22.47 | stew | megatog615: have you checked the bts? |
| 16:23.06 | megatog615 | what is the bts |
| 16:23.10 | stew | !bts |
| 16:23.10 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 16:23.15 | Shockcore | stew did you had a look to: http://rafb.net/p/hOvObI14.html my swap is at the end of the disk already. start block is 19210, so between block 608 and 19210 it's free space... |
| 16:23.21 | megatog615 | ah thanks lol |
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| 16:24.00 | stew | Shockcore: then you can skip the swapoff and mkswap and swapon |
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| 16:24.22 | megatog615 | yay thanks for the help stew |
| 16:24.30 | Shockcore | what tool you would use to change the partition layout? |
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| 16:25.20 | Shockcore | stew: what tool you would use to change the partition layout? |
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| 16:26.23 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use skype? |
| 16:26.28 | meth | hi im using squeeze, i have upgraded my system no, and i have problems with the keyboard |
| 16:27.05 | testingdebian | i get this error when i'm upgrading my system http://pastebin.ca/1366266 somebody know what it could be, or how can i fix that? |
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| 16:28.03 | stew | Shockcore: fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk? if i haven't mentioned it enough, you must be careful, and your backups should be up to date |
| 16:28.12 | meth | testingdebian, use apt-get -f install to solve dependencies problem |
| 16:28.22 | stew | batcoder-7: its safe to assume that someone in here has used skype |
| 16:28.30 | joe-mac | hey guys has anyone here ever taken an installshield package and build a .deb out of it? |
| 16:28.47 | batcoder-7 | i mean i would like to use my headphone jack as the thing to use |
| 16:28.53 | batcoder-7 | but its using my speakers |
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| 16:29.23 | lloowen | Hello all! Just installed Debian minimal. Trying to connect to my widows pc with samba. Done this before on other linux distros, so not a complete novice. Just wandering, is there any other applications that I need on my minimal Debian, before I can get samba to work? My windows pc can see the debian pc when I try and log in it won't let me in, even though user and password are correct. I've tried all sorts of things in smb.conf but no lu |
| 16:29.43 | rue_mohr | libapache-mod-php5: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but it is not going to be installed <<< will anyone help me sort out a package dependency mess? |
| 16:29.46 | batcoder-7 | how can i figure out what hardware nam e my headphone jack is stew ? |
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| 16:30.10 | rue_mohr | batcoder-7, what kinda device? |
| 16:30.18 | Shockcore | stew, i use fdisk or cfisk, but maybe i am just dumb i dont find anyway to "merge" partion #1 with the free space... |
| 16:30.23 | batcoder-7 | its just some realtek audio sound card |
| 16:30.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | Starting nm-applet doesn't work for me and reports: The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue. |
| 16:30.37 | cahoot | batcoder-7: alsamixer doesn't show a dedicated headphone entry? |
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| 16:30.44 | batcoder-7 | i woud like to know what the hardware name of the headpone jack is |
| 16:30.44 | rue_mohr | k, and it has a specific headphone output jack? |
| 16:30.48 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 16:31.05 | testingdebian | meth: it say that will delete and get the same error |
| 16:31.07 | rue_mohr | cause usually, if its a front panel, it just cuts off the normal output when you plug headphones in |
| 16:31.12 | batcoder-7 | it does but i can't control volulme levels with it |
| 16:31.27 | cahoot | can you unmute? |
| 16:31.34 | rue_mohr | so the normal volume controls dont control it right? |
| 16:31.38 | batcoder-7 | its already unmuted |
| 16:31.44 | meth | hi im using squeeze, i have upgraded my system now, and i have problems with the keyboard |
| 16:31.46 | batcoder-7 | but skype needs the actual hardware name if it |
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| 16:32.03 | stew | batcoder-7: poke around /proc/asound ; perhaps /proc/asound/devices or /proc/asound/card0/* |
| 16:32.16 | rue_mohr | if, when you plug it in, it cuts off the normal output, then its like all other sound cards and only has one output |
| 16:32.19 | stew | Shockcore: no, i don't think there are such options, youd have to create a new partition |
| 16:32.29 | valdyn | batcoder-7: imm, skype has a dialog box where you just pick any of the available devices listed |
| 16:32.32 | Shockcore | lol |
| 16:32.33 | enouf | testingdebian: busy ..sorry |
| 16:32.40 | Shockcore | that sucks |
| 16:32.43 | batcoder-7 | yea valdyn i am not sure what device my headphone jack is |
| 16:32.44 | rue_mohr | to its just /dev/dsp or whatever the alsa equiv is |
| 16:32.46 | riot | why have the 2.6.26 headers been moved out of unstable when there's still a kbuild environment for 2.6.28 missing? |
| 16:32.49 | anoHito | jamon and valdyn ,many thanks for the info and helpings. have a good day. |
| 16:33.05 | testingdebian | :S |
| 16:33.06 | rue_mohr | libapache-mod-php5: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but it is not going to be installed <<< will anyone help me sort out a package dependency mess? |
| 16:33.10 | valdyn | batcoder-7: ok, /proc/asound/devices lists the index numbers too |
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| 16:33.43 | valdyn | rue_mohr: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:33.51 | Spec | Heya all....what's the best(standard?) way to do monthly(or even weekly) security updates on a hundred debian servers? I'm getting kinda tired of for-loop/ssh ;) |
| 16:34.00 | rue_mohr | valdyn, shall I show you what I have now? |
| 16:34.02 | valdyn | !fai |
| 16:34.03 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 16:34.05 | valdyn | Spec: ^^ |
| 16:34.06 | enouf | Shockcore: you could create swapFILE if you need extra swap space .. |
| 16:34.12 | maDchoPR | does debian have follow along with restricted formats ... like ubuntu |
| 16:34.21 | lloowen | Hello all! Just installed Debian minimal. Trying to connect to my widows pc with samba. Done this before on other linux distros, so not a complete novice. Just wandering, is there any other applications that I need on my minimal Debian, before I can get samba to work? My windows pc can see the debian pc when I try and log in it won't let me in, even though user and password are correct. I've tried all sorts of things in smb.conf but no lu |
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| 16:34.25 | enouf | Shockcore: then mkswap it and swapon it to bring it online |
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| 16:34.50 | Spec | valdyn: do all configuration management services aim to also do security updates? (like puppet or cfengine?) |
| 16:34.51 | enouf | Shockcore: check priority - hit those relevant man pages ;-) |
| 16:34.53 | rue_mohr | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/514167813 << that currently my sources.list, see anything wrong? |
| 16:34.58 | valdyn | lloowen: samba authentication needs its own passwd file |
| 16:35.00 | Spec | valdyn: or just fai? |
| 16:35.09 | lloowen | done that |
| 16:35.15 | lloowen | still won't work |
| 16:35.20 | valdyn | lloowen: then read the log |
| 16:35.30 | lloowen | what log? |
| 16:35.38 | Shockcore | enouf: forget swap, swap is okey, i need to add space to my root partition |
| 16:35.43 | maDchoPR | + |
| 16:35.45 | Shockcore | aka SDA1 |
| 16:35.50 | valdyn | Spec: i havent used any of those, not fai either |
| 16:36.04 | Spec | valdyn: but fai will do what i want? :) |
| 16:36.08 | Shockcore | SDA2 = swap space, and between SDA1 and SDA2 there is 100gb free space |
| 16:36.10 | Spec | i guess i'll read docs, thanks for the pointer ;) |
| 16:36.14 | valdyn | Spec: yes |
| 16:36.30 | enouf | Shockcore: pastebin output of fdisk -l |
| 16:36.40 | rue_mohr | valdyn, http://bin.cakephp.org/view/514167813 |
| 16:36.57 | anoHito | jamon and valdyn ,i found ,that was not attacking from humen being |
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| 16:37.17 | valdyn | Spec: making apt-get shut up seems to be tricky though, and though its possible i dont think you want more than 1 box be maintained via debian package management |
| 16:37.19 | Shockcore | stew: http://rafb.net/p/PrWMQO48.html |
| 16:37.29 | dagobart | can anybody point me to a package dedicated to merge audio file collections? I found http://is.gd/nvNS from 2006/2007, which is manual labour, though I imagine there might be evolved any kind of package from that or an other source. So I'mlooking for tipps |
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| 16:37.36 | anoHito | jamon and valdyn ,that IP range is from the chinese network spider from a company named sogou |
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| 16:37.58 | valdyn | anoHito: a search engine? |
| 16:38.02 | Spec | valdyn: what do you mean you don't want more than one box to be maintained via debian package management? does fai not use apt-get? (it just uses dpkg/it's own dep resolutions?) |
| 16:38.19 | valdyn | Spec: i would rsync changes |
| 16:38.31 | enouf | Shockcore: so extend the partition; then resize2fs to extend the FS |
| 16:38.32 | valdyn | Spec: fai will do whatever you want i think |
| 16:38.33 | anoHito | valdyn, web spider |
| 16:38.33 | Spec | how do you remove packages then, valdyn? |
| 16:38.44 | valdyn | anoHito: thats what search engines use |
| 16:38.53 | valdyn | Spec: same way |
| 16:38.54 | anoHito | valdyn, gees,they almost kill my server though |
| 16:38.58 | Spec | valdyn: rsync? o.O |
| 16:39.06 | Shockcore | enouf: i cannot extend the partition..... i use SSH and the box is up and running |
| 16:39.18 | Shockcore | so unless you know how please tell me :) |
| 16:39.18 | valdyn | anoHito: if its a proper search engine, they will respect robots.txt |
| 16:39.23 | dustpylex2 | Shockcore: boot from a gparted livecd? |
| 16:39.33 | enouf | Shockcore: gparted livecd should make that easy - online? well .. not sure ..but playing with partition tables isn't recommended of online disks (using MSDOS style partition labels) |
| 16:39.34 | stew | Shockcore: you'd delete the partition and create a bigger one in its place |
| 16:39.51 | valdyn | Spec: 100 identical boxes, rsync themm all to one master |
| 16:40.00 | Spec | valdyn: they're not identical :( |
| 16:40.04 | anoHito | valdyn, okay,thanks for reminding me. |
| 16:40.23 | valdyn | Spec: life sucks ;) |
| 16:40.27 | Spec | valdyn: i know, right? |
| 16:40.32 | abhishekbatra | rue_mohr: i just checked by trying to mark libapache-mod-php5 for installation |
| 16:40.36 | abhishekbatra | i too have the same problem |
| 16:40.37 | enouf | Shockcore: especially when / FS is the partition you're messing with :-P |
| 16:40.44 | batcoder-7 | maybe this thing i think is a headphone jack might not be one |
| 16:40.46 | batcoder-7 | its blue |
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| 16:40.55 | batcoder-7 | are most headphone jacks colored blue on motherboards ? |
| 16:40.55 | rue_mohr | abhishekbatra, ok, thankyou, |
| 16:41.02 | valdyn | Spec: theres a few tools in debian that will automaticaly install security updates |
| 16:41.05 | rue_mohr | I suppose i have to try using apache2 |
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| 16:41.18 | valdyn | Spec: if that is just what you want... you dont need to use a beast as fai |
| 16:41.33 | Spec | valdyn: well, i don't want to do 'em automagically...i wanna initiate the patching process |
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| 16:41.36 | SerajewelKS | woot kernel panic: "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 16:41.39 | enouf | batcoder-7: ask ##hardware or something |
| 16:41.54 | Spec | valdyn: any chance you got a few names of these debian security patching tools? |
| 16:41.56 | hallowname | where can i find a bug in debian stable's gimp? |
| 16:41.58 | valdyn | Spec: do them automatically and maintain your own mirror |
| 16:42.06 | Spec | valdyn: yeah, i was thinking of maintaining my own mirror |
| 16:42.10 | Spec | valdyn: but mirrors are huge :( |
| 16:42.15 | valdyn | Spec: just your own security mirror |
| 16:42.19 | valdyn | Spec: thats not huge at all |
| 16:42.27 | enouf | hands SerajewelKS 1 known blobk |
| 16:42.32 | enouf | block even |
| 16:42.42 | Spec | valdyn: well, i'll also want to be able to update packages every couple of months. |
| 16:42.50 | valdyn | Spec: sure |
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| 16:42.55 | jelly | Shockcore: you can easily change the partition end by deleting and creating the partition again starting from the same place, in cfdisk or fdisk |
| 16:42.58 | valdyn | Spec: your mirror can contain whatever you want |
| 16:43.17 | Shockcore | if i delete the partition and recreate i will loose my OS lollll |
| 16:43.20 | Spec | I was looking into that...I didn't know how to "ask each server" what packages it needs updated, and then download them to the mirror? |
| 16:43.25 | jelly | Shockcore: if this disk is in use, you won't see the new partition size until after reboot. |
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| 16:44.01 | jelly | Shockcore: "if i delete the partition and recreate" -- only if you're not careful and fail to make it in the same place |
| 16:44.01 | Spec | jelly; you also need to grow the filesystem, which can't be done when it's mounted. |
| 16:44.02 | CoolCold | enouf: well...inserting aic94xx and raid into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules helped a bit - now i can see aic module is loading, then md starts..but it can't find firmware now |
| 16:44.28 | valdyn | Spec: cron-apt |
| 16:44.33 | jelly | Spec: it depends on the filesystem (and for ext3, mkfs options used) |
| 16:44.36 | valdyn | Spec: theres various ways |
| 16:44.52 | Spec | jelly; what filesystem can you grow while it's mounted? o.O |
| 16:44.54 | Spec | i didn't know that was possible. |
| 16:45.02 | rue_mohr | odd it seems that apach2 is NOT a dependency of libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:45.05 | jelly | Spec: I know of ext3 and xfs. |
| 16:45.11 | rue_mohr | whats with that? |
| 16:45.21 | Spec | jelly; oh, i actually think i knew xfs could, but i've never used it, i didn't know you could grow ext3 while it's mounted. |
| 16:45.48 | Spec | valdyn: and apticron :) |
| 16:45.53 | valdyn | Spec: if you offer clients a complete Packages file but an incomplete mirror, they all will ask for Packages they want, but cant install them |
| 16:45.54 | cast | reiserfs, too, |
| 16:45.55 | Shockcore | jelly: so infact if i delete SDA1 partition and recreate it with full space it will not affect anything? but will be still old size because of the filesystem right? |
| 16:45.59 | jelly | Spec: if is was created with -O resize_inode, you could |
| 16:46.05 | enouf | CoolCold: so the mdadm aspect is fixed? just now NIC firmware is an issue? is it WiFi? |
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| 16:46.15 | Spec | jelly; neat :) |
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| 16:46.42 | jelly | Shockcore: if you keep the exact same beginning of the partition, and just grow at the end, yes, it shouldn't affect anything |
| 16:46.49 | valdyn | Spec: theres also "unattended-upgrades" |
| 16:46.53 | Shockcore | nice |
| 16:47.00 | valdyn | Spec: i think thats a replacement coming from ubuntu or somesuch |
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| 16:47.09 | Spec | valdyn: hmm, that seems to be security only |
| 16:47.10 | valdyn | Spec: and i dont know their reasosn for making something new |
| 16:47.11 | CoolCold | enouf: no, this is Adaptec's aic9410w firmware |
| 16:47.17 | jelly | Shockcore: save a copy of "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" output before doing anything |
| 16:47.19 | Spec | valdyn: which is good :p |
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| 16:47.29 | Shockcore | ok |
| 16:47.33 | CoolCold | enouf: i'd not say it's fixed, it's now another problem :) |
| 16:47.43 | rue_mohr | ok apache2 is being nice to me, for the meantime |
| 16:47.45 | CoolCold | no firmware - no detected disks |
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| 16:47.52 | enouf | CoolCold: oh.. i misread aic as nic |
| 16:48.00 | CoolCold | while i've checked - it exists in initrd image |
| 16:48.09 | jelly | Shockcore: if you mess it up, you can paste that output into "sfdisk /dev/sda" to recreate the original partition table |
| 16:48.11 | Spec | valdyn: the problem with a cron-based approach is, i want to update packages on dev, and then have dev tested before i upgrade patches on beta, etc |
| 16:48.20 | CoolCold | some mistic is going on.. |
| 16:48.22 | Spec | valdyn: which is why an "initiated-patching" program would be better |
| 16:48.37 | Spec | but if i had conf management, i could enter a cron entry for the servers i want at the time i want it done |
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| 16:48.42 | Spec | so maybe i'll use a combination of the two |
| 16:48.47 | enouf | Shockcore: recall me mentioning sfdisk -d much earlier? (or was that to someone else :-P) |
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| 16:49.53 | abhishekbatra | rue_mohr: that is because apache2 means apache2-mpm-worker package |
| 16:49.53 | Shockcore | enouf i already had a backup thanks :) |
| 16:49.53 | abhishekbatra | while that module could work with any of the other kids of apache servers |
| 16:49.53 | abhishekbatra | *kinds |
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| 16:49.53 | uman | Hi all |
| 16:50.00 | uman | is it preferable to install the stable release or the testing release for an average home user? |
| 16:50.05 | uman | what are the benefits and drawbacks of each |
| 16:50.09 | enouf | jelly: you forgot the '>' IINM ;-) |
| 16:50.10 | dustpylex2 | uman: stable lol |
| 16:50.10 | SerajewelKS | uman: not right now |
| 16:50.23 | SerajewelKS | uman: stable was just released, which means testing will be crazy for a while |
| 16:50.32 | uman | oh, okay |
| 16:50.43 | uman | if stable hadn't just been released, would you say testing? |
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| 16:50.50 | enouf | jelly: er .. you just left off that entire other part of command actually ;-0 |
| 16:50.51 | SerajewelKS | uman: probably |
| 16:51.05 | uman | SerajewelKS, why? |
| 16:51.16 | uman | (sorry for noobishness; I'm completely new to Debian) |
| 16:51.35 | SerajewelKS | uman: because after about a year stable is pretty old. but if you need a system that will work, use stable. |
| 16:51.44 | SerajewelKS | uman: testing can sometimes support newer hardware as well |
| 16:52.19 | uman | mmm |
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| 16:52.34 | uman | one more question before I start downloading debian |
| 16:52.39 | ajavid | !dict tripe |
| 16:52.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'tripe' (1 of 4): lining of the stomach of a ruminant (especially a bovine) used as food. |
| 16:52.51 | jelly | enouf: didn't forget, wrote to save a copy of "command" output. Whike this is usually done with a redirection, what good will a file on an inaccessible partiton do? |
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| 16:53.01 | uman | I haven't used Linux since before I had a 64-bit processor |
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| 16:53.25 | uman | best to install the amd64 version? or is it worse as far as hardware/driver support, etc... |
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| 16:54.01 | jelly | uman: what is the machine going to be used for? Server? Desktop / Workstation? |
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| 16:54.14 | uman | jelly, desktop/workstation |
| 16:54.16 | Sashi | hmm would you guys think that 1GB ram is enough to run a website? |
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| 16:54.49 | jelly | Sashi: depends on lot of things. |
| 16:55.05 | Sashi | mysql,lighttpd,php nothing else |
| 16:55.13 | subsume | I am trying to vim all of the files returned by find . -name "*.py" -exec grep "foo" {} +... I know this isn't #bash but I was hoping someone could help...? |
| 16:55.16 | jelly | Sashi: one site, likely yes. |
| 16:55.30 | Sashi | yea just one domain, one site |
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| 16:56.14 | jelly | subsume: one by one or all at once? |
| 16:56.23 | subsume | jelly I want to open them all. |
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| 16:57.14 | enouf | jelly: righto |
| 16:57.17 | jelly | subsume: anywhitespace in filenames? |
| 16:57.24 | subsume | jelly nope |
| 16:57.46 | uman | jelly, do you know the answer to my question? |
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| 16:59.39 | anoHito | valdyn, by the way,this spider does not respect robots.txt http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=368937 ,see you later,thanks for helping. |
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| 17:00.13 | hallowname | is squeeze usable? |
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| 17:00.20 | jelly | subsume: vim $(find . -name '*.py' ...) will break if there's too many files, if there's whitespace or other funky characters in the output |
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| 17:00.27 | subsume | hmm |
| 17:00.32 | jelly | subsume: also you probably want grep -l |
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| 17:00.41 | adama | hallowname: yes |
| 17:00.43 | subsume | ok... i'll man grep to see what that does. =) |
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| 17:01.10 | jelly | uman: if it were a server I'd recommend amd64; not sure for a desktop. i386 is a safe bet. |
| 17:01.16 | uman | okay thanks |
| 17:01.41 | jelly | hallowname: if you have to ask, "no" |
| 17:02.13 | ronr | I'm running iceweasel through X forwarding, works fine for a while but then the shell tells me it stopped and using bg (or fg for that matter) to get it running doesn't help, just gets back into Stopped immediately |
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| 17:02.15 | jelly | hallowname: if you're prepared to deal with uninstallable or buggy packages, sure :-) |
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| 17:04.15 | adama | hallowname: I switched from Lenny to Squeeze when lenny became stable. I've had very few problems. As jelly says, you need to know how to deal |
| 17:04.45 | Spec | subsume: you can just |xargs -n1 vim |
| 17:04.55 | Spec | subsume: and then every time you close vim, it'll open up the next file that's found. |
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| 17:05.33 | icebrain | I have a problem with Inotifytools (libs), should I report it to the Debian maintainer or to the original developer? |
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| 17:06.11 | subsume | thanks spec |
| 17:06.29 | hallowname | adama: jelly: thx, i was just curious about how unstable it actually is. im used to debian. but i dont want ubuntu-like crappiness. just nervous about switching is all :) |
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| 17:06.51 | Spec | subsume: there are better ways :p but it'll work. |
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| 17:07.00 | subsume | danke |
| 17:07.02 | Shockcore | jelly, enouf : thanks a lot guys all worked fine and running fine :) |
| 17:07.21 | riot | how do i tell dpkg-reconfigure to ask me about my xserver video-hardware? |
| 17:07.22 | icebrain | hallowname: I use Sid and it didn't fail on me |
| 17:07.23 | jelly | hallowname: I have no experience with ubuntu, so cannot really compare |
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| 17:07.55 | brainsoft | is it posible to install an hp laserjet p2015d on debian? |
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| 17:08.05 | hallowname | jelly: one word. unstable. :) |
| 17:08.10 | icebrain | hallowname: some problems with packages that depend on unreleased ones, but I just wait a few days and I can upgrade fine |
| 17:08.14 | hallowname | icebrain: that encouraging, thx :) |
| 17:08.15 | Mkman | I any portuguese in her? |
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| 17:08.17 | redf1sh | hey, in an effort for the least-correct-solution-ever. How would i go about telling dpkg i have installed a deb that i havn't in fact installed at all? |
| 17:08.31 | jelly | redf1sh: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 17:08.31 | Mkman | here? |
| 17:08.37 | icebrain | Mkman: eu |
| 17:08.43 | hallowname | icebrain: makes sense, i can handle that. i never force installs anyway. |
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| 17:08.51 | cast | neat, ecryptfs has filename encrypting in 69 |
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| 17:09.39 | redf1sh | jelly, that could work. I was just sorta hoping for some even worse way. |
| 17:09.54 | riot | how do i switch from vesa to radeon? |
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| 17:11.58 | hallowname | riot: adjust your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, replacing 'vesa' with 'radeon'. usually anyway. if you wind up without graphics, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' |
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| 17:13.54 | seria-mau | i have problems with ncmpc and mpd (lenny). ncmpc refuses to connect to a local mpd. but i can telnet and use mpc on the standard mpd localhost 6600 port |
| 17:14.35 | seria-mau | any advice other than backporting ncmpc from experimental? in stable, testing and unstable the versions are the same |
| 17:14.50 | adama | I can have KDE4 and gnome on the same computer right? Gnome starts on tty7 ... how would I then start KDE4 on tty8? |
| 17:15.18 | TiOaN | i have running an lenny gust with xen but xm console test alwasy hang at Starting periodic command scheduler: crond. |
| 17:15.20 | hallowname | adama: sysv mod. google is friendly :) |
| 17:15.25 | adama | I guess I should say :0 and :1 not tty 7 and 8 |
| 17:15.29 | TiOaN | but ssh login into the xen lenny guest works |
| 17:15.30 | TiOaN | why |
| 17:15.43 | adama | sysv? |
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| 17:16.07 | hallowname | adama: use the runlevels to start a gdm session on :1 after kdm starts on :0 |
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| 17:16.35 | amikrop | Hello. A source file includes conio.h. What can I do to make it be there? |
| 17:16.37 | adama | ah! I see |
| 17:16.37 | hallowname | adama: i think ksysveditor(?) can do it. i just nano /etc/* tho :) |
| 17:16.44 | amikrop | What is the package that installs conio.h? |
| 17:16.47 | adama | hallowname: I do not have KDE yet |
| 17:17.14 | enouf | TiOaN: see wiki.debian.org/Xen or similar - you might need to add a kernel boot param |
| 17:17.15 | hallowname | adama: ah, well they are under /etc/init.d ... you should have google handy too. |
| 17:17.22 | adama | hallowname: also I don't want it to happen automatically. I want to have e.g. a desktop shortcut on gnome, to "start KDE on tty8" |
| 17:17.57 | hallowname | adama: oh, well that doesn't even need sysv mod'ing, you just need to run flexiserver to start a new session |
| 17:18.15 | adama | ok I will look into that thing |
| 17:18.20 | hallowname | adama: i dunno the exact command you want, but i think 'flexiserver' will help |
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| 17:19.31 | enouf | adama: you have a separate display to run the other DE? |
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| 17:19.54 | riot | hmmm |
| 17:19.59 | enouf | adama: (i should say Xserver) |
| 17:20.04 | adama | hallowname: I already have a bash script "newX" which I use to start e.g. Steam in wine on tty8, without it interfering with compiz (vice-versa actually) |
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| 17:20.13 | riot | shouldn't i have a /dev/dri/card0 when an ati radeon 9250 is installed? |
| 17:20.24 | adama | enouf: I think no? I haven't set anything up yet |
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| 17:20.47 | hallowname | adama: much the same then :) except flexiserver can auto-setup :1 to run a display manager (eg, ctrl+alt+f7/f8 works) |
| 17:21.12 | enouf | adama: well, within it's own environment, each of gnome and kde allow for mulitple sessions, which will start on the next avail free tty |
| 17:21.27 | adama | I see |
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| 17:22.01 | Kuifje111 | hello there. |
| 17:22.06 | hallowname | has a feeling he's going to misspell 'squeeze' a lot in the next year. =[ |
| 17:22.11 | hallowname | Kuifje111: hi :) |
| 17:22.21 | Kuifje111 | do I disable the proxy_mod module for apache with the command "a2enmod proxy"? |
| 17:22.36 | dominikh_ | a2dismod ? |
| 17:22.50 | Kuifje111 | thats to disable it |
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| 17:23.45 | Kuifje111 | oops |
| 17:23.49 | Kuifje111 | i wrote disable |
| 17:23.57 | Kuifje111 | I meant enable |
| 17:24.02 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks for the info. |
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| 17:24.14 | Kuifje111 | are there also other ways to enable it? |
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| 17:25.33 | epsilon | a2enmod |
| 17:25.35 | adama | Kuifje111: create a symlink from the file in mods-available to mods-enabled then reload apache |
| 17:25.43 | Kuifje111 | ok |
| 17:25.47 | adama | at your own risk |
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| 17:26.00 | Kuifje111 | will use a2enmod then |
| 17:26.05 | epsilon | like a2ensite... but IIRC that only create symlink |
| 17:26.06 | Kuifje111 | but just wanted to know what it does |
| 17:27.13 | epsilon | na, it's IIRC debian speific thingy... in mod/sites-available everything is listed, you symlink in ...-enabled and it bacomes valid |
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| 17:32.30 | merlincorey | epsilon: it's /etc/apache2/mods-available/ and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 17:32.40 | Kuifje111 | i want to proxy 127.0.0.1:687 to a vhost example.com/test/ |
| 17:32.42 | merlincorey | but you are correct, a2enmod does the same for those pairs as a2ensite does for the others |
| 17:32.46 | Kuifje111 | any ideas on how to do this? |
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| 17:33.13 | merlincorey | Kuifje111: if you have apache specific question ask them maybe for best way; I know only how to do it easily in nginx |
| 17:33.25 | klync | Kuifje111: mod_rewrite should do it |
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| 17:33.45 | epsilon | which proxy, apache? |
| 17:33.50 | simonrvn | merlincorey: heh, i'm using lighttpd now |
| 17:34.07 | Kuifje111 | apache2 |
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| 17:34.31 | epsilon | apache have to listen on 687, then mod rewrite |
| 17:34.43 | merlincorey | simonrvn: nginx passed lighttpd in netcraft this december :) |
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| 17:34.54 | merlincorey | simonrvn: I like the lack of memory leak and Igor writes good clean C |
| 17:35.03 | klync | Kuifje111: or mod_proxy using ProxyPass/ProxyPassReverse |
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| 17:35.22 | R_Dragon | anyone else having problems loading the latest updates? |
| 17:35.29 | Kuifje111 | klync, yes, i'd like to use mod_proxy, but i do not know how to config it |
| 17:35.32 | merlincorey | yeah I would do klync's solution, Kuifje111 as it is pretty much what would happen in nginx - you don't want to mess with mod_rewrite unless you have to |
| 17:35.38 | epsilon | like: RewriteRule (.*) http://www.example.com/test$1, which is defined in VHost |
| 17:36.07 | merlincorey | Kuifje111: |
| 17:36.12 | klync | Kuifje111: just to be clear, you want end users to hit example.com/test/ but the response comes from 127.0.0.1:687, right? |
| 17:36.13 | merlincorey | excuse me |
| 17:36.22 | epsilon | should work... but it's not proxy actually, it's rewrite |
| 17:36.22 | Kuifje111 | yes |
| 17:36.27 | klync | Kuifje111: pm? |
| 17:36.37 | Kuifje111 | when i go to example.com:687 it opens a web page |
| 17:36.44 | merlincorey | Kuifje111: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_proxy.html |
| 17:36.49 | Kuifje111 | but i want to proxy that page to that test dir |
| 17:37.08 | merlincorey | epsilon: it is proxy because he wants to hit a different backend on a certain front-end location |
| 17:37.15 | Kuifje111 | yes, i found that site, but it's not that easy for me to understand, as it contains a lot off options |
| 17:37.19 | merlincorey | epsilon: rewrites are nasty and not very performant |
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| 17:37.42 | Kuifje111 | isnt this also used for cPanel? |
| 17:37.59 | Kuifje111 | you can connect to cpanel 2 ways, either by entering the port |
| 17:38.00 | epsilon | merlincorey: the rule I wrote is most simple rewrite rule, not nasty as all, cause you rewrite everything |
| 17:38.04 | merlincorey | Kuifje111: you want the Reverse Proxy thing listed at the top of that page |
| 17:38.07 | Kuifje111 | or entering cpanel after the url |
| 17:38.08 | R_Dragon | http://pastebin.com/m2fc68232 |
| 17:38.15 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks |
| 17:38.16 | merlincorey | epsilon: then why not use mod_alias and redirect? |
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| 17:38.21 | merlincorey | epsilon: mod_rewrite is nasty, period |
| 17:38.38 | merlincorey | epsilon: *especially* if you're doing it in .htaccess instead of server config |
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| 17:39.15 | klync | merlincorey: can't redirect if the source isn't directly available on the 'net |
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| 17:40.55 | merlincorey | klync: indeed, sir, indeed |
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| 17:41.16 | merlincorey | klync: I guess the real question is, what is actually currently listening on the backend right now - if it is already apache no need to TCP to itself |
| 17:41.22 | merlincorey | klync: if it's something else though... |
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| 17:41.39 | klync | merlincorey: i like using mod_proxy to restrict the urls that are publicly available, e.g. for tomcat, or for blending the app server with a static tree |
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| 17:41.56 | merlincorey | klync: that's what you're supposed to do; the front should be flexible |
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| 18:01.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone |
| 18:02.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'm running ubuntu and I have a monitor with USB hub and it keeps going into sleep mode apparently after about 10 seconds if nothing is plugged into the ports I have to do lsusb to wake it up any way to keep it from going into sleep? |
| 18:02.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | er into sleep mode |
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| 18:06.24 | jpinx | THE_GFR|WORK: try #ubuntu |
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| 18:06.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | jpinx: did no answers or anything there |
| 18:06.50 | cahoot | he just managed to put all #debian in sleep mode |
| 18:07.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | :| |
| 18:07.09 | jpinx | THE_GFR|WORK: this channel supports debian - not ubuntu |
| 18:07.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | I know |
| 18:07.25 | merlincorey | THE_GFR|WORK: so go |
| 18:07.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | just thought someone might help me here |
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| 18:07.29 | merlincorey | ... to #ubuntu! |
| 18:07.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | fine thanks |
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| 18:08.58 | nareshov | lol |
| 18:09.38 | jpinx | let's all join #ubuntu and ask crazy debian questions :| |
| 18:09.53 | bittin | jpinx: iam already there |
| 18:11.52 | CoolCold | enouf: u will laught |
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| 18:12.39 | CoolCold | inserting sleep 60 into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/mdadm helped |
| 18:12.41 | klync | comes back, catches up... #ubuntu is to #debian as Ubuntu is to Debian |
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| 18:16.09 | gravity | It's not the fault of the people in #ubuntu. They're clearly in the right place. |
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| 18:17.07 | ajavid | huh? |
| 18:17.13 | ajavid | you're right |
| 18:17.16 | ajavid | its not ubuntu's fault |
| 18:17.21 | ajavid | or is people |
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| 18:17.31 | ajavid | the fault is with what ubuntu is based on |
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| 18:17.45 | ajavid | if debian sucks, so will ubuntu! |
| 18:17.46 | ajavid | right? |
| 18:17.48 | ajavid | runs away |
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| 18:18.26 | gparent | aha |
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| 18:18.34 | valdyn | ajavid: did vms suck? |
| 18:18.38 | theholyduck | ajavid, but ubuntu can suck without debian sucking |
| 18:18.46 | ajavid | are you guys serious? |
| 18:18.58 | valdyn | !vms |
| 18:18.58 | dpkg | it has been said that vms is a stable, secure, reliable OS from Digital (now HP), that runs on VAX, Alpha and Itanium or older than areess64 by about 10 years. or rather confusing for someone thats only used *nix boxes |
| 18:19.01 | fedya | i'm trying to build netatalk and it's getting stuck on this: checking Berkeley DB library version >= 4.1.0... header/library version mismatch (4.4.20/4.6.21) |
| 18:19.02 | ajavid | you really think I was serious even after I ran away... |
| 18:19.05 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 18:19.23 | theholyduck | ajavid, i just came back |
| 18:19.25 | theholyduck | :P |
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| 18:20.32 | dkr | ajavid: galaxies are based on blackholes. blackholes really suck, but galaxies are awesome! ;) |
| 18:20.42 | jpinx | after dd'ing a CD into an .iso locally, can I just cp or rsync it as a normal file, or do I have to dd it every time to make copies? |
| 18:20.53 | ajavid | not all are active, not all suck |
| 18:20.58 | ajavid | ours doesn't suck |
| 18:20.58 | valdyn | jpinx: dd does the same as cp |
| 18:21.10 | ajavid | andromeda sucks, big time |
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| 18:22.21 | jpinx | valdyn: I am copying an XP installer CD and I thought there are special features only copied by dd - hence the need to do dd if=/the/cd of=/local/copy.iso |
| 18:22.42 | valdyn | jpinx: you could just aswell have used cp |
| 18:22.52 | dkr | jpinx: you used dd to read directly from the device, once you have the .iso image th e.iso image is a normal file |
| 18:23.11 | jpinx | dkr - cheers |
| 18:23.16 | ajavid | man |
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| 18:23.20 | ajavid | seriously whats going on in here |
| 18:23.23 | ajavid | its boring |
| 18:23.24 | dkr | hrm, yeah, I guess that distinction is kind of moot |
| 18:23.31 | dkr | ajavid: you are talking too much. that's what. :) |
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| 18:23.47 | ajavid | what!? I didn't even say anything, you're just imaginining thigns |
| 18:24.06 | msh | When I try to install anytinng, I get an error: Can not resolve aptproxy. |
| 18:24.12 | jpinx | ajavid: let ma sk you some questions to relieve your boredom - but don't lose your rag like yesterday:p |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn | jpinx: a file is a file is a file, surprisingly simple =) |
| 18:24.20 | ajavid | jpinx, sure |
| 18:24.31 | ajavid | jpinx, say it like that see how long it takes |
| 18:24.33 | msh | A friend of mine altered the apt-get to use the local network's aptproxy server and forgot to revet to normal |
| 18:24.35 | jpinx | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 18:24.42 | msh | how do I correct it now? |
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| 18:24.58 | ajavid | jpinx, becase what you were trying to do yesterday was stupid and impossible |
| 18:25.01 | valdyn | msh: editor /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:25.12 | valdyn | msh: or maybe /etc/apt/conf.d/somefile |
| 18:25.17 | ajavid | jpinx, i told you of a correct procedure to use in order to create a usb boot thingy |
| 18:25.26 | msh | valdyn: I am on Ubuntu though |
| 18:25.31 | ajavid | jpinx, it holds true for all os as all those tools are avilable for linux as well |
| 18:25.32 | valdyn | msh: i dont care |
| 18:25.40 | valdyn | msh: i dont support ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 18:25.54 | ajavid | jpinx, you just needed to see how it was done, and learn from it and using the tools from within linux, build your usb boot thingy |
| 18:25.59 | jpinx | sheesh - another one |
| 18:26.01 | ajavid | but you were stubbonly like a mule |
| 18:26.07 | ajavid | so THATS why I was like fuck off |
| 18:26.07 | dblick | Hi guys. I'm wondering if it would be possible to use dpkg on my continuous integration server to install the dependencies needed for a piece of software I'm building on-demand. I'm trying to run the CI in a cluster environment where I don't have root. Are there any Debian developer tools that could handle this? I dont' know much about fakeroot, etc. |
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| 18:26.14 | ajavid | but no big deal |
| 18:26.22 | dkr | !tell msh about ubuntu |
| 18:26.24 | valdyn | not like the answer was any different for ubuntu however |
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| 18:26.50 | jpinx | ajavid - that is not exactly helpful - I have created boot "thingies" before without the hassle and abuse ;) |
| 18:26.58 | ajavid | seriously? |
| 18:27.07 | valdyn | dblick: you cant install packages if you are not root, period |
| 18:27.08 | ajavid | you just dd a cd to a usb and you think thats it? |
| 18:27.16 | ajavid | you can't do that. |
| 18:27.17 | dblick | (this assuming I package my application for Debian) |
| 18:27.33 | ajavid | its not that you shouldn't do that, its because you can't do tht, its stupid and it will not work |
| 18:27.37 | valdyn | dblick: maybe you can run a vm |
| 18:27.59 | ajavid | you've made boot usb in the past how? you can't dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/usb |
| 18:28.07 | hallowname | ajavid: unetbootin helped me :) |
| 18:28.11 | jpinx | ajavid: I created a bootable installer for debian from the download - that was relatively easy |
| 18:28.17 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 18:28.21 | ajavid | you win. |
| 18:28.29 | dkr | heh, I asked dpkg about "continuous integration" <dpkg> are you using Windows? |
| 18:28.38 | valdyn | jpinx: usb = boot like harddisk, cdrom = boot like floppy |
| 18:28.38 | jpinx | wonders who's won |
| 18:28.57 | dblick | valdyn: hmm... ok, i'd been thinking about kvm and qemu; i dont know if i can install qemu as non-root |
| 18:28.59 | ajavid | jpinx, its not the same. |
| 18:29.03 | dblick | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 18:29.27 | ajavid | whatever, I'm sure you have it figured out and under control |
| 18:29.31 | jpinx | ajavid: so it seems |
| 18:29.39 | ajavid | more than likely we're not talking about the same thing |
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| 18:29.53 | ajavid | even with the exact error you had yesterday, which were expected because of what you were doing |
| 18:30.02 | ajavid | I'm still wrong |
| 18:30.04 | ajavid | so thats fine. |
| 18:30.09 | riot | um, i've got a severe problem/bug here with ati and radeon xorg-modules: they both crash. http://rafb.net/p/Bna4kp43.html |
| 18:30.15 | ajavid | whatever |
| 18:30.30 | riot | i've verified the card with grml - there it works flawlessly |
| 18:30.30 | dblick | dkr: was your question about windows directed at me? no, i'm running hudson as a user |
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| 18:30.40 | ajavid | jpinx, just don't ask me for help if you are not gonna listen to me |
| 18:30.48 | jpinx | ajavid: I had a link to a really good guide to copying the XP installer CD onto a USB device for use on an eeepc, but I lost the link :( |
| 18:30.54 | valdyn | riot: custom kernel? |
| 18:31.07 | dkr | dblick: no, I didn't know what a "continuous integration server" was, so I asked the channel bot and that was its amusing response |
| 18:31.17 | ajavid | jpinx, yes, and that link DEFINITELY WOULD NEVER tell you to dd the damn windows cd to a usb and voila, its done. |
| 18:31.18 | riot | valdyn: nope, everything vanilla. unstable. 2.6.28 AND 2.6.26 |
| 18:31.26 | ajavid | jpinx, do you understand what I'm trying to tell you? |
| 18:31.28 | ajavid | at all? |
| 18:31.35 | ajavid | can anyone else jump in make him understand? |
| 18:31.43 | dblick | dkr: oh, i see :) |
| 18:31.45 | ajavid | I feel like I'm crazy pills |
| 18:31.46 | ajavid | wtf |
| 18:31.52 | riot | i can make it run with vesa.. but well.. its _slow_! |
| 18:31.52 | dkr | ajavid: you expect us to get in a word edgewise? :) |
| 18:32.00 | valdyn | riot: move /etc/X11/xorg.conf away and try again |
| 18:32.06 | ajavid | dkr, seriously ;) I'm gonna hrut you |
| 18:32.08 | ajavid | hehe |
| 18:32.38 | kashkari | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.48 | ajavid | how tiny? |
| 18:32.59 | ajavid | 50mb tiny 90mb tiny, 150 mb tiny, 250ish mb tiny? |
| 18:33.07 | kashkari | 90 |
| 18:33.08 | ajavid | they also won't be direct debian distributions |
| 18:33.10 | ajavid | but will be debian based |
| 18:33.16 | ajavid | flonix 90mb |
| 18:33.17 | ckt1g3r | dsl |
| 18:33.17 | kashkari | yeah :) |
| 18:33.18 | valdyn | riot: fglrx will probably not support that card anyway, im not entirely sure |
| 18:33.18 | ajavid | dsl 50mb |
| 18:33.21 | dblick | dkr: continuous integration servers check out code from version control and process it; for example, running big test suites or regenerating a website from source |
| 18:33.26 | kashkari | ajavid, lol nice. |
| 18:33.27 | kashkari | ty) |
| 18:33.28 | ajavid | morphix 250ish mb |
| 18:33.37 | ajavid | knoppix full cd |
| 18:33.49 | ckt1g3r | damn small linux |
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| 18:33.52 | ajavid | still not debian, but debian based so no support here, and no debian doesn't itself have a tiny distro |
| 18:34.02 | ajavid | no tiny debian |
| 18:34.05 | riot | valdyn: same result. |
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| 18:34.16 | valdyn | riot: show the new Xorg.0.log |
| 18:34.21 | ckt1g3r | netinstall (base system ) |
| 18:34.28 | riot | ok. moment.. |
| 18:34.29 | ajavid | thats about 300mb |
| 18:34.34 | ajavid | thats not tiny |
| 18:34.35 | dblick | dkr: they're nice because you don't have to take your mind off coding to run tests; hudson can IM you over jabber if you **** something up |
| 18:34.49 | ajavid | and that only gives a base system, and nothing else |
| 18:34.50 | kashkari | whats the 50mb one? |
| 18:34.56 | ajavid | damn small linux |
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| 18:35.04 | ajavid | kashkari, why do you need tiny ? |
| 18:35.11 | ajavid | kashkari, why not install and use debian itself |
| 18:35.14 | kashkari | oh? i have that already. just an ancient kernel |
| 18:35.18 | valdyn | riot: right after you pasted, run lsmod | grep fglrx and tell us the output |
| 18:35.46 | kashkari | ajavid, justa sshd :) |
| 18:35.58 | ajavid | shame shit happy day |
| 18:36.05 | ajavid | oh you mean secure shell daemon |
| 18:36.09 | ajavid | word |
| 18:36.13 | kashkari | yeah lol |
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| 18:36.27 | ajavid | i knew, I just wanted to use that joke |
| 18:36.33 | ajavid | I been up all night thinking about it |
| 18:36.34 | riot | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/Q8bURm74.html |
| 18:36.35 | ajavid | ;) |
| 18:36.39 | dkr | dblick: yeah, that's pretty cool. I should probably automate some better tests of our software rather than handing it off to qa, heh. the only thing I do automatically is making sure everything compiles |
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| 18:36.51 | riot | valdyn: fglrx won't load, has some memory access problems... |
| 18:37.05 | bjv | Where do repo passwords go for Apt? |
| 18:37.12 | bjv | not in sources.list? |
| 18:37.14 | valdyn | riot: did you verify like i said that it is not loaded? |
| 18:37.16 | sky_ | hi how i can set owner to me for a new ext3 partition ? |
| 18:37.19 | riot | valdyn: yes. |
| 18:37.32 | sky_ | anyone can say good command because with chown i am fail :D |
| 18:37.52 | riot | i built it successfully (after having to revert to 2.6.26 and all the headers/kbuild stuff) but like i said, it refused loading. |
| 18:37.55 | valdyn | riot: run "modprobe -r radeon && modprobe radeon", check dmesg after |
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| 18:38.31 | Heavy-D | hey guys.. what's the 'dd' based command that will quickly zero a drive? I forget it |
| 18:38.54 | simonrvn | sky_: you don't chown a parition, you'd do that for a *mountpoint* |
| 18:39.00 | simonrvn | partition* |
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| 18:39.16 | riot | valdyn: thats it i think, the radeon module wasn't loaded propely |
| 18:39.19 | simonrvn | ...and mount it with 'user' or 'users' |
| 18:39.22 | riot | i'm trying again with radeon now |
| 18:39.25 | simonrvn | man mount |
| 18:39.34 | valdyn | riot: i want you to keep xorg.conf empty |
| 18:39.37 | sky_ | simonrvn: its /dev/sda1 and user is sky... |
| 18:39.39 | valdyn | riot: dont put it back there |
| 18:40.15 | riot | valdyn: it works >( |
| 18:40.16 | simonrvn | sky_: don't touch the /dev perms unless you have to and know what you're doing |
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| 18:40.37 | riot | oups. english layout now.. whoa. But the gpu works :) |
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| 18:40.53 | riot | thanks alot |
| 18:41.20 | sky_ | simonrvn: can you say me a correct command i am noob :[ |
| 18:41.36 | valdyn | sky_: mount the filesystem |
| 18:42.01 | sky_ | now is it |
| 18:42.06 | valdyn | sky_: after mounting change permissions on the mountpoint |
| 18:42.14 | sky_ | how ? |
| 18:42.21 | valdyn | !wikifaq sky_ Permissions |
| 18:42.21 | dpkg | sky_: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 18:42.23 | kashkari | ajavid, damnsmalllinux has an old kernel, will that be a problekm? |
| 18:42.36 | valdyn | !dsl |
| 18:42.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 18:42.43 | ajavid | dunno |
| 18:42.56 | ajavid | i asked u a question |
| 18:43.03 | ajavid | kashkari, why not install and use debian itself |
| 18:43.03 | sky_ | valdyn: thats very complicated for me :( |
| 18:43.11 | ajavid | kashkari, why do you need tiny ? |
| 18:43.17 | kashkari | ajavid, i already have debian |
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| 18:43.23 | valdyn | sky_: you need to learn this though |
| 18:43.28 | valdyn | sky_: or you shouldnt be using debian |
| 18:43.31 | ajavid | i see |
| 18:43.32 | kashkari | but sadly i run vista for the lovely stability |
| 18:43.35 | valdyn | sky_: take some time for this.. |
| 18:43.36 | ajavid | kashkari, in that case join #damnsmalllinux |
| 18:43.38 | ajavid | or soemthing |
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| 18:45.02 | pablo | hi, when a bug is closed, it will stay forever in the database or they are deleted? |
| 18:45.10 | ajavid | archived |
| 18:45.37 | stew | pablo: forever |
| 18:45.42 | bjv | Where does the repo login/password get configured in apt? |
| 18:45.52 | ajavid | so yeh that translates to forever |
| 18:46.03 | sky_ | valdyn: ah thank you i already done it :))) |
| 18:46.15 | stew | bjv: you are using a repository that requires a login? |
| 18:46.26 | ajavid | repositories can require logins? |
| 18:46.30 | bjv | stew: yeah |
| 18:46.37 | ajavid | i never knew |
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| 18:46.45 | stew | bjv: look at the ACQUIRE section in man apt.conf |
| 18:46.48 | bjv | ok |
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| 18:47.42 | kashkari | the 2.4 kernel is in active dev |
| 18:47.49 | kashkari | no problem with not using 2.6 |
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| 18:50.03 | stew | kashkari: 2.4 kernels are not supported by debian |
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| 18:52.16 | jpinx | ajavid: every single article I read from googling "install XP eeepc usb" tells me I *must* have a machine with XP already running, but I know this is not true. Do you know where I can read up the pure linux way to do this? |
| 18:52.18 | kashkari | well i meean for other distros |
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| 18:52.35 | ninjaslim | anyone have any idea how the linux version of maya compares to the Mac version or the Linux version |
| 18:52.47 | kibibyte | hi |
| 18:52.54 | kibibyte | how to remove -z file ?;d |
| 18:53.08 | kashkari | -z file ? |
| 18:53.19 | asg | kibibyte: rm -- -z |
| 18:53.19 | kashkari | if you want a package gone, try apt-get remove x |
| 18:53.39 | kibibyte | yes its name its -z |
| 18:53.43 | jpinx | kibibyte: aptitude purge ? |
| 18:53.54 | asg | *facepalm* |
| 18:53.54 | jpinx | kibibyte: aptitude purge -z |
| 18:54.13 | kibibyte | asg, command works |
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| 18:58.02 | kibibyte | damn |
| 18:58.09 | kibibyte | i somehow removed taskbar |
| 18:58.10 | kibibyte | :/ |
| 18:58.17 | kibibyte | i have xfce |
| 18:58.23 | kibibyte | how to make it visible |
| 18:59.06 | ajavid | jpinx, virtualbox |
| 18:59.33 | epsilon | dunno xfce... but last step is always to delete the settings in ~ |
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| 19:00.47 | badcfe | have a question about streamripper |
| 19:00.59 | KIAaze | hi, what is the best equivalent to the yast firewall manager on Debian? |
| 19:01.16 | abrotman | KIAaze: you want an ncurses firewall manager? |
| 19:01.26 | KIAaze | no, not necessarily |
| 19:01.28 | simonrvn | badcfe: just ask... |
| 19:01.34 | badcfe | simonrvn: ok |
| 19:01.39 | KIAaze | I need to be able to enable openVPN tunnels and specific IP adresses for ssh access |
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| 19:02.14 | Hideme | How much memory should an apache thread be using when reported by htop? |
| 19:02.42 | dkr | Hideme: however much it is using. :) |
| 19:02.46 | simonrvn | however much it needs |
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| 19:03.22 | badcfe | i use streamripper to receive a stream and it doesnt get split. i do not manage to split it with silence algorithm. ive tried understanding it from the man page and tried out --xs2 --xs_silence_length=1800 but that didnt help |
| 19:03.47 | Hideme | Right... but htop is showing each apache thread at 3.5 MB, unless that is total. |
| 19:04.16 | dkr | Hideme: the children also share memory between them. so real memory used is rss - shared |
| 19:04.17 | simonrvn | badcfe: hrm, rather specific to that, do they have a channel here? |
| 19:04.26 | badcfe | aparently the stream server is SHOUTcast and it seems to be no meta information, or .. how would i watch the meta info in there? |
| 19:04.50 | badcfe | simonrvn: no, no #streamripper at least .. |
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| 19:05.01 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 19:05.10 | simonrvn | website? |
| 19:05.19 | Hideme | dkr rss? |
| 19:05.44 | dkr | Hideme: there should be 3 memory fields for each process, virtual memory, resident set size, and shared |
| 19:06.05 | dkr | virtual memory is adress space allocate, rss is actually ram used, shared is part of rss shared with other processes |
| 19:06.11 | dkr | allocated |
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| 19:06.35 | dkr | never used htop, but can't be too different from top, right? :) |
| 19:06.50 | simonrvn | not really |
| 19:07.35 | badcfe | simonrvn: doesnt find anything there. anyway .. thanks. |
| 19:08.13 | enouf | Hideme: use meminfo to look at it - http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 19:08.26 | dkr | so an estimate of total apache ram usage is (rss-shared)*number of children+rss of parent process+shared |
| 19:08.54 | simonrvn | badcfe: i've never used it, maybe someone else has.. is that what i think it is (judging from the app name)? |
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| 19:09.13 | Kuifje111 | any hellanzb users here? |
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| 19:09.29 | Kuifje111 | which web gui would you recommend for hellanzb? |
| 19:09.32 | enouf | and atleast in htop use f5 to toggle tree view :-P |
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| 19:12.02 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 19:12.16 | Ace2017_- | i think dpkg's package database is corrupted, how can i refresh it? |
| 19:12.26 | JordiGH | messages syslog and kern.log are about 100 megs each. Can I just delete them without adverse effects? In fact, can I wipe /var/log? |
| 19:12.50 | enouf | JordiGH: just remove the .gz archived older files |
| 19:12.54 | Ace2017_- | JordiGH: why are they so big? and 100mb isn't much |
| 19:12.55 | jpinx | Ace2017_-: aptitude update |
| 19:13.09 | JordiGH | When your HD is 2 gigs, it's huge. |
| 19:13.15 | Ace2017_- | ah |
| 19:13.16 | Kuifje111 | JordiGH, as far as I know you can, but i am not 100% sure |
| 19:13.18 | JordiGH | enouf: They aren't logrotated, for some reason. |
| 19:13.28 | enouf | fix that |
| 19:13.49 | JordiGH | enouf: How about I just wipe /var/log... this is an eeepc, not a server. |
| 19:13.50 | CoolCold | enouf: that was my problem http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg28369.html |
| 19:13.53 | enouf | JordiGH: you disabled all your /etc/cron* ? |
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| 19:14.45 | JordiGH | enouf: I think what happened is that aircrack-ng dumped shitloads of data into /var/log when I messed something up and logrotate didn't get a chance to do its thing. But again, do I need /var/log for anything? |
| 19:14.52 | enouf | CoolCold: nslu2 specific? rootdelay= .. right |
| 19:15.03 | CoolCold | enouf: not nslu2 specific |
| 19:15.15 | Ace2017_- | anyone else having dependency issues with inkscape? |
| 19:15.22 | CoolCold | but this helped me |
| 19:15.27 | enouf | CoolCold: which is a very noticebale option if you look at the /init script in the initrd |
| 19:15.35 | Ace2017_- | The following packages have unmet dependencies: inkscape: Depends: libpoppler-glib3 which is a virtual package. Depends: libpoppler3 which is a virtual package. |
| 19:15.35 | JordiGH | "Anything" meaning "will the EeePC still work if I wipe /var/log"? |
| 19:15.58 | Ace2017_- | JordiGH: wipe it from a livecd? |
| 19:16.15 | JordiGH | Ace2017_-: What makes you think this thing has a CD drive? |
| 19:16.16 | CoolCold | enouf: well...looking into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts actually helped.. |
| 19:16.28 | enouf | JordiGH: i don't know - i like logs of events :-P |
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| 19:16.41 | enouf | CoolCold: cool |
| 19:16.48 | CoolCold | not really |
| 19:16.53 | Ace2017_- | how can you install without a cd drive, just curious, did you have to swap out the hard drive? |
| 19:17.02 | CoolCold | just one more 'hidden technique' |
| 19:17.03 | JordiGH | considers the "DO IT FAGGOT" approach. |
| 19:17.10 | enouf | CoolCold: 2007 eh? |
| 19:17.16 | JordiGH | Ace2017_-: Boot from usb. I'm just being a bit of a smartass, sorry. |
| 19:17.26 | CoolCold | enouf: yeah, 0.88, while etch has 0.85 |
| 19:17.54 | enouf | CoolCold: and which version of kernel-package? |
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| 19:18.36 | CoolCold | won't say he has some backported initramfs-tools package which fixes wrong ro fs detection |
| 19:18.50 | enouf | !smack CoolCold |
| 19:18.51 | dpkg | smacks CoolCold upside the head. |
| 19:18.54 | JordiGH | Well, this is weird... |
| 19:19.10 | CoolCold | enouf: standart etch.. |
| 19:19.14 | JordiGH | I deleted the files, but the hard df doesn't say I got the space back! |
| 19:19.15 | enouf | ... |
| 19:19.27 | JordiGH | Was that space reserved for root anyways, or something? |
| 19:19.29 | enouf | CoolCold: you deserve it then, IMHO |
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| 19:19.46 | enouf | JordiGH: lsof |
| 19:20.05 | CoolCold | enouf: no, that was just another bugfix, and this issue is unrelated |
| 19:20.18 | JordiGH | enouf: What am I looking for in lsof? |
| 19:20.40 | enouf | CoolCold: it's not a bug fix - it's a workaround - that's no longer needed |
| 19:20.40 | CoolCold | enouf: anyway, thanks for help |
| 19:20.46 | enouf | ok |
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| 19:21.16 | CoolCold | enouf: mm..didn't get u - what is no longer needed? |
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| 19:21.29 | enouf | JordiGH: no, if you mean 'reserved' as in tune2fs -l /dev/nameX reserved blocks |
| 19:21.55 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, mkfs.moosefs should do the trick. :-) |
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| 19:22.10 | enouf | CoolCold: workarounds you needed to employ for your outdated system custom build environment |
| 19:22.23 | enouf | !m00shi3 |
| 19:22.32 | Ace2017_- | ok i edited the deb and removed the deps |
| 19:24.35 | CoolCold | enouf: 1) it's not outdated, it's oldstable 2) i have to use some hacks only because standart debian 2.6.18 even doesn't contain driver for that controller, so had to used backported debian installer images and <long story here> |
| 19:24.47 | enouf | CoolCold: 'etch' is in no way standard versions of software for 2.6.28.x kernels - not that it can't be used/done .. but you've found out that sometimes it pays to trust debian to let it do it's thing with updated/fixed versions |
| 19:25.54 | enouf | CoolCold: etch has had a .26 available through etch-backports for some time now |
| 19:26.00 | jpinx | I have a 2nd HDD slot on my lappy but when I swap drives, I have to reboot - unless someone knows a way to make the system see the replacement drive? |
| 19:26.01 | enouf | what's wrong with .26? |
| 19:26.11 | CoolCold | enouf: i've tryed it, it failed with the same problem |
| 19:26.28 | CoolCold | but i've tryed that in Data Center and had no time to dig in |
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| 19:26.43 | CoolCold | now i have the same machine @ office to play with it |
| 19:26.44 | enouf | CoolCold: you've tried what? building your own .26? |
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| 19:27.10 | CoolCold | enouf: no, 26 from backports |
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| 19:27.46 | enouf | CoolCold: are you trying to tell me a kmuto .25 image worked and a .26 backports image did not? |
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| 19:28.09 | riot | is it possible to run two xservers on one gpu, using vga and dvi ports? |
| 19:28.17 | CoolCold | i'm not going to say - Bad, bad debian - i just opened one more workaround for myself |
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| 19:28.27 | CoolCold | enouf: yes |
| 19:28.46 | enouf | whatever .. i'm, done with this .. |
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| 19:29.42 | enouf | CoolCold: are the HDDs the mdadm raid1 is on connected through USB or what...? |
| 19:29.57 | CoolCold | and kmuto's kernel is fine, but has some mdadm problems, so gonna move to another version :( |
| 19:30.06 | enouf | ahh ..nslu2 piece of crap ... nm |
| 19:30.19 | CoolCold | enouf: no..wait, i'll find supermicro platform id |
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| 19:30.46 | Defender | jpinx: hot-swap an ide drive? |
| 19:30.50 | enouf | heh - supermicro ... wonderful - ok .. apologies - but i'm tired now |
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| 19:32.01 | jpinx | Defender: I suppose... |
| 19:32.04 | enouf | jpinx: there is a hotswap pkg for that |
| 19:32.25 | SparFux | I have installed the locales package and had even the locales-all package installed, too. When doing 'aptitude safe-upgrade' or anything else updating or installing, I get "locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory" and "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" What is going wrong? All I have changed is LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro |
| 19:32.27 | jpinx | enouf: cool - thanks |
| 19:32.44 | enouf | judd: versions hotswap |
| 19:32.45 | judd | enouf: hotswap -- etch: 0.4.0-10 lenny: 0.4.0-11 sid: 0.4.0-11 squeeze: 0.4.0-11 |
| 19:33.06 | mne | Hi guys. I have a pretty new intel core i7 940 CPU which afaik has a lot of power saving stuff built in which even leads to completely disabled CPU cores. Can I somehow see which cores have been disabled ? In /proc/cpuinfo I can just see that the cores have been clocked down. Also, I would like to know if I need to configure my system in a special way so that I get most out of the power saving possibilities of my CPU. For example one could change the way proc |
| 19:33.07 | mne | esses are distributed among the cpu cores so that under low system load only one core is used and the 3 other cores can go to sleep mode |
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| 19:35.14 | CoolCold | enouf: hmm..sombody is liying - dmidecode or supermicro's site |
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| 19:35.49 | Ace2017_- | CoolCold: outdated website? |
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| 19:36.10 | CoolCold | enouf: just know it can happen and rootdelay may save ur time. now let's stop |
| 19:36.21 | JordiGH | Well, I won't attempt to fathom the mysteries of ext3, but I rebooted and got the space back. |
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| 19:36.37 | JordiGH | !ur |
| 19:36.38 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 19:36.39 | Ace2017_- | mne: what kernel? |
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| 19:36.54 | JordiGH | !botsnack |
| 19:36.54 | dpkg | thanks, JordiGH |
| 19:36.59 | JordiGH | np, dpkg. |
| 19:37.02 | Ace2017_- | !botnet |
| 19:37.06 | Ace2017_- | catch that bot |
| 19:37.26 | CoolCold | Ace2017_-: http://pastebin.com/m5a0afa94 |
| 19:37.50 | JordiGH | Should that be Punjabi, or is Punjabi said "punjai" in Punjabi? |
| 19:37.59 | JordiGH | Where's that stoned Indian when you need him... |
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| 19:40.21 | Ace2017_- | CoolCold: so? whats wrong with that? |
| 19:40.33 | mne | Ace2017_-, 2.6.27 |
| 19:40.59 | CoolCold | Ace2017_-: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DB8.cfm |
| 19:41.15 | CoolCold | it has no SAS on Supmicro site ;) |
| 19:41.35 | Ace2017_- | sas is an addon |
| 19:42.15 | CoolCold | do u see it somewhere? |
| 19:42.53 | Ace2017_- | These two: http://www.bateko.com/product/Supermicro-x7db8-server-board_X7DB8.html http://www.bateko.com/product/Taro-sodimm-aic-9410w-8-port-sas-w-hostraid-0-1-10-support_M9000-10-RS.html |
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| 19:43.16 | CoolCold | i've looked into server's internals - drives are connected directly to mobo, without any pci cards |
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| 19:43.44 | Ace2017_- | sas or sata drives? |
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| 19:43.54 | CoolCold | sas |
| 19:44.06 | CoolCold | sata is way slow ;) |
| 19:44.18 | Lord | hi, i'm trying to install php on lighty but i 've got a problem when trying to ./configure php |
| 19:44.34 | Lord | it says i need xml2-config |
| 19:44.45 | mne | Ace2017_-, so what do you think ? |
| 19:44.45 | Lord | but i already have libxml2 |
| 19:45.02 | Ace2017_- | mne: i was wondering if the info in there would be more accurate on a newer kernel |
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| 19:45.58 | mne | Ace2017_-, hmm, i see. I guess it should be in the kernel changes, but I'm too lazy to look it up or install a new kernel ;) |
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| 19:48.30 | Ace2017_- | CoolCold: does the serial number on the motherboard tell you exactly what it is and give a version? |
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| 19:51.22 | Ace2017_- | ok found it, in unstable you need to have testing in your sources.list to install inkscape |
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| 19:51.42 | Ace2017_- | a priviledge of being with unstable |
| 19:52.06 | stew | yes, inkscape needs a binnmu |
| 19:52.13 | Ace2017_- | binnmu? |
| 19:52.15 | stew | i don't know if it has been requested yet |
| 19:52.18 | stew | !binnmu |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | binnmu is probably binary NMU, which means a package was recompiled without changing the source. this often occours when one of the libraries a package depends on has changed, and it needs to be recompiled against the newer library |
| 19:52.19 | CoolCold | Ace2017_-: it could, but i really bored with this stuff and today is friday :) |
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| 19:53.01 | Ace2017_- | i like fridays, early night |
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| 19:54.50 | CoolCold | yeah...everybody is drinking already, and i was f..ing with this server.. |
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| 19:55.22 | mlopez | hi! how can I know my current gateway? |
| 19:55.28 | mlopez | ifconfig? |
| 19:55.56 | CoolCold | mlopez: route |
| 19:56.06 | badcfe | how do i nohup one of my jobs? |
| 19:56.18 | CoolCold | badcfe: nohup blabla.sh ? |
| 19:56.21 | Ace2017_- | -HUP? |
| 19:56.36 | mlopez | CoolCold, thx! |
| 19:56.52 | badcfe | one of my jobs |
| 19:57.02 | badcfe | a posix job already running |
| 19:57.23 | CoolCold | mm.. |
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| 19:58.55 | dkr | maybe there is a way to detach it from your shell's process group? |
| 19:59.13 | morfol | hey, i need to enable remote desktop (vino) and cant find the config file. anyone got a clue? |
| 19:59.30 | Kevin` | where can I get a debian security rss feed? |
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| 20:00.25 | jberg | should i disable the C1E state on my amd64 in linux or not? |
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| 20:01.05 | Kevin` | jberg: what does it break to enable it? =p |
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| 20:01.25 | solitron_ | anyone knows of a VNC server that includes sound? so that I connect to my Debian from Windows |
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| 20:01.39 | jberg | haven't tried yet. but it breaks lapic and the high resolution timer right? |
| 20:02.20 | Kevin` | hmm, indeed |
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| 20:03.39 | jberg | sooo, are there any good reasons to have it on or off? |
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| 20:06.18 | Kevin` | it looks like some of the problems related to it might be 'fixed' in newer kernels |
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| 20:11.07 | zer | hi i have a 400mhz laptop with a wifi card, i would like a connection manager for it, but gtk is too heavy, i would like ncurses but i will take any ideas i can get. wifi-radar is REALLY heavy and slow |
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| 20:12.18 | myeggo | hello, i am looking for a dictionary, not a dictionary tool for auto correct when i type, just a database with word&explain |
| 20:12.23 | myeggo | for spanish, someone know if that exists? |
| 20:12.31 | myeggo | i only find online dictorionaries |
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| 20:18.57 | doleyb | myeggo: Yes there are dicts in debian.. somewhere.. |
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| 20:21.06 | myeggo | i tried starDict |
| 20:21.14 | myeggo | but is confussing me |
| 20:21.40 | doleyb | myeggo: maybe look at dict-freedict-eng-spa, or dict-freedict-spa-eng, or ispanish |
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| 20:22.07 | myeggo | ok i go |
| 20:24.46 | smacnay | Is the moonlight plugin working in "testing"? |
| 20:25.05 | smacnay | I don't seem to have any luck (trying to get the NCAA tourney streams). |
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| 20:25.31 | stew | smacnay: i think a lot of stuff need "2.0" where only "1.0" version of the protocol is currently supported |
| 20:25.34 | stew | or something like that |
| 20:25.57 | e7th04sh | how can i print all current TCP connections, so that i know who is the server, and ip and port of remote computer? |
| 20:25.58 | smacnay | stew, that would make sense, thanks |
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| 20:26.16 | JordiGH | e7th04sh: netstat? |
| 20:26.19 | valdyn | e7th04sh: netstat -punt |
| 20:26.22 | e7th04sh | thanks |
| 20:26.43 | valdyn | or just pnt |
| 20:27.17 | stew | smacnay: though see this somewhat amusing posting from Miguel de Icaza: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Mar-19-1.html |
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| 20:28.32 | SparFux | In /usr/share/locales, doesn't there have to exist a default locale directory C ? |
| 20:28.47 | valdyn | SparFux: C is in the apps |
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| 20:29.12 | valdyn | SparFux: everything else is translations of C |
| 20:29.58 | SparFux | valdyn: aha, so why does aptitude say it cannot find default locale files then? locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 20:31.23 | valdyn | SparFux: echo LC_MESSAGES |
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| 20:31.56 | valdyn | SparFux: is the locales package installed? |
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| 20:34.46 | Alam_Lenny | I just run apt-get update, now I get this Error, "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of package names this APT is capable of." |
| 20:34.57 | Alam_Lenny | how can I up this limit? |
| 20:35.14 | keveam | Does anyone know a webcam application for KDE3? |
| 20:35.49 | klync | keveam: i could be wrong, but iirc amsn supports cams... depends on what you want to do with it, tho, of course |
| 20:35.50 | simonrvn | Alam_Lenny: clean up your sources.list? |
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| 20:36.19 | keveam | klync: I was thinking more of something along of what like cheese does for GNOME. |
| 20:36.31 | klync | keveam: i don't know cheese |
| 20:37.05 | Alam_Lenny | I already removed http://sourcedeps.debian.net sid line, it just that I want to keep it |
| 20:37.20 | keveam | klync: I was looking for a webcam application that took pictures and recorded video. |
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| 20:43.42 | simonrvn | Alam_Lenny: comment out all but the main mirror listing and security, try updating after saving... seems to me that you have way too many sources defined and libapt is choking on that. |
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| 20:55.19 | klync | anyone know the name of that app that can display what acpi knows about your devices? it's a bit like lshw |
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| 21:07.08 | jair | hello everybody. I am installing lenny on my t61p and I was wondering if to install the (non-free) code on the system I will need to add the "conftirb, non-free" servers to the end of the "/etc/apt/sources" as well as the end of the line "volatile.debian.org"??? |
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| 21:07.19 | Staale- | I know there is a tool for updating a source package with new sources, uupdate or something, which package is this? (upgrading mercurial 1.0.1 to 1.2) |
| 21:07.25 | jair | it only have main at the end |
| 21:07.39 | gravity | jair: Yes |
| 21:07.46 | jair | but this line was not there on previous versions of debian |
| 21:08.00 | gravity | Although I'm not sure about volatile. It may not have contrib and non-free |
| 21:08.13 | jair | gravity: so I should add the "conftirb, non-free" to the security line as well? |
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| 21:08.21 | gravity | jair: Yes |
| 21:08.23 | jair | hmm |
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| 21:08.30 | gravity | contrib, not coftirb |
| 21:08.36 | gravity | And no comma between them, iirc |
| 21:08.43 | jair | but taht is the question I have, I am not sure if volatile have those servers |
| 21:08.52 | jair | right right :) |
| 21:08.55 | jair | contrib |
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| 21:09.22 | gravity | jair: Just add them. They won't hurt. If you get error messages about them on update then remove them. Easy. |
| 21:09.37 | gravity | If they don't exist apt will still chug along fine without them |
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| 21:09.44 | jair | ok let me see what the apt-get update says :P |
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| 21:10.49 | jair | well I added the lines and I did not see any complains |
| 21:11.47 | pappanz_ | how much time does a package remain in NEW? |
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| 21:12.13 | gravity | pappanz_: Totally depends on things like the package itself, ftpmaster time, etc |
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| 21:12.26 | gravity | pappanz_: What's the package you're waiting on? |
| 21:12.56 | pappanz_ | gravity: quite a lot of work in NEW recently, isn't it? I'm waiting for xfce4.6 in unstable |
| 21:13.15 | gravity | Ah, a large package set may take a while |
| 21:13.39 | pappanz_ | gravity: say months? |
| 21:13.42 | gravity | I don't know what the changes are for xfce though, I don't use it |
| 21:13.45 | gravity | pappanz_: No idea |
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| 21:13.49 | pappanz_ | ok |
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| 21:16.33 | jpinx | I've downloaded a .rar archive and can't open it - what's the method? |
| 21:16.46 | spook- | unrar ? |
| 21:17.07 | TiOaN | how should i use lvm and brbd, pv on brdb or brdb for every lv ? |
| 21:18.48 | jpinx | spook-: no such package |
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| 21:20.02 | jair | hello guys there is a package on damian that will try to mount external USB drives and cds, is this part of gnome or it is a package independent of the window manager or desktop environment I use? |
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| 21:21.42 | pappanz | jpinx: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=unrar |
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| 21:22.56 | pappanz | jpinx: it's a non-free package |
| 21:23.16 | pobega | jair: the mount command? |
| 21:23.41 | jpinx | pappanz: ah - need to add non-free to my sources;) |
| 21:23.47 | jair | pobega: hahaha |
| 21:23.51 | pappanz | jpinx: :) |
| 21:24.03 | pobega | jair: though, I believe GNOME does it automagically |
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| 21:24.28 | jair | pobega: I know that, but I am building this image for a group of windows people that do not know much knowledge using bash and linux itself |
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| 21:24.38 | jair | pobega: there is a package though |
| 21:24.47 | jair | I will look at apt-cache search. Thank you |
| 21:25.15 | pobega | aptitude search ~dgnome~dmount comes up with a package called 'gnome-mount' and a package called 'gnome-volume-manager' |
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| 21:26.35 | jetpda | !search |
| 21:26.35 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
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| 21:28.08 | jair | pobega: yes but I do not want to install gnome, it is too fat |
| 21:28.15 | jair | I am trying to install lxde instead |
| 21:28.19 | pobega | jair: I have gnome-mount installed without gnome |
| 21:28.28 | pobega | jair: though, I don't know why, as I've never used/installed gnome before... |
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| 21:29.22 | jair | pobega: so when you insert the usb drive it automatically mount it and open it on read only mode? |
| 21:29.41 | pobega | jair: I don't have it setup (as I said, I wasn't even aware it was installed) |
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| 21:31.03 | jair | pobega: ok |
| 21:31.22 | jair | so you are not using any graphical environment on your system? |
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| 21:31.41 | pobega | jair: I am, but I prefer manually mounting external drives. |
| 21:32.00 | pobega | jair: also, why not just give them an intro to the CLI? `fdisk -l` and `mount` would be sufficient, and perhaps an explanation of /etc/fstab |
| 21:33.07 | jair | I do manually mount most of the time if I need to write on the media usb, but the people that will be using this system will probably just read and they do not have much experience on bash |
| 21:33.11 | jair | and linux |
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| 21:33.49 | jair | believe me this people is not to literate with computers in general |
| 21:33.55 | nickskerv | hello |
| 21:33.59 | jair | and I offer to teahc those skills |
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| 21:34.30 | jair | they say "do not have the time" but I think they just want to have something very similar to windows |
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| 21:38.35 | jpinx | pappanz: that's a bogey - crap package and no result, but thanks for the pointers |
| 21:38.41 | Lns | jair: what you're talking about is 90% of who uses computers. They don't want to know how it works, they just want it to do what they want. |
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| 21:39.39 | Lns | jair: fortunately, with Linux you can probably make it *easier* to use than Windows, using simple scripts. |
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| 21:41.10 | foetus | evening - what means the compat level on debian packages (4...5...7)? |
| 21:41.36 | valdyn | jair: gnome does support this, by default |
| 21:42.02 | pappanz_ | jpinx: unrar is used by many archive-manager utilities such as file-roller or xarchiver, if you get unrar installed you could try with them. otherwise there's unrar-free but i never used it |
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| 21:42.40 | jpinx | pappanz_: not sure if it isn't the archive I am trying to unpack - it's a bit wierd |
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| 21:43.07 | Schuenemann | hi |
| 21:43.43 | simonrvn | foetus: debhelper level |
| 21:43.52 | pappanz_ | jpinx: ah! |
| 21:44.06 | simonrvn | anything under 4 is totally deprecated and SHOULD NOT be used |
| 21:44.12 | Schuenemann | do I have to add testing/unstable repos in order to install compiz? |
| 21:44.13 | simonrvn | (IIRC) |
| 21:44.27 | simonrvn | Schuenemann: no |
| 21:44.28 | valdyn | judd: versions compiz |
| 21:44.28 | judd | valdyn: compiz -- etch: 0.2.2-1 etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-7 squeeze: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-8 |
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| 21:44.44 | valdyn | Schuenemann: ^^ |
| 21:45.00 | foetus | simonrvn: ah, thanks. |
| 21:45.30 | simonrvn | man debhelper |
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| 21:45.42 | floatboat | how do i see which commands CUPS recieves from acroread? |
| 21:45.57 | valdyn | floatboat: monitor your network |
| 21:46.05 | floatboat | valdyn: what? |
| 21:46.24 | valdyn | floatboat: what what? sentence to complicated? |
| 21:46.37 | Schuenemann | simonrvn, valdyn, the wiki says you "may" need that |
| 21:46.47 | simonrvn | break it down into mono-syllabic words |
| 21:46.48 | valdyn | Schuenemann: so the wiki is probably ancient |
| 21:46.57 | foetus | simonrvn: the question is, i had p7zip prepared with the official patches (4.58dfsg1), it was broken at the end, and after changing compat level to 5 it worked like a charme.. |
| 21:46.59 | simonrvn | valdyn: ^^ ;) |
| 21:47.03 | Schuenemann | or might not be talking about lenny |
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| 21:47.10 | floatboat | no, its too vague -how do i monitor my network in a way to give me the information i've asked |
| 21:47.21 | Schuenemann | valdyn, can a intel x3100 handle compiz well? |
| 21:47.22 | foetus | simonrvn: curious. |
| 21:47.26 | valdyn | Schuenemann: sure |
| 21:47.37 | Schuenemann | great, I'll test then |
| 21:47.39 | Schuenemann | thanks |
| 21:47.42 | valdyn | Schuenemann: to the extent anything handles compiz well, compiz is a failure |
| 21:47.48 | jair | valdyn: I see so I will need to investigate more about that mounter tool |
| 21:47.49 | simonrvn | foetus: yes, and? |
| 21:48.02 | Schuenemann | valdyn, what do you mean? |
| 21:48.02 | valdyn | jair: theres alot, maybe usbmount |
| 21:48.11 | valdyn | jair: but that might just mount and not get an icon to show |
| 21:48.16 | simonrvn | argh, "a lot" |
| 21:48.21 | valdyn | ffs |
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| 21:48.30 | valdyn | !alot |
| 21:48.30 | dpkg | I think I'll allot a lot of beatings for people who think alot is a word. |
| 21:48.40 | valdyn | !factinfo alot |
| 21:48.40 | dpkg | alot -- created by Guerin <n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net> at Wed Jan 30 23:39:54 2008 (414 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by valdyn, 10s ago. |
| 21:48.42 | simonrvn | seen it badly spelled too often today, nothing personal |
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| 21:49.26 | valdyn | Schuenemann: some operations that i think essential to a neat desktop dont work well ever in compiz |
| 21:49.28 | foetus | simonrvn: -- however, is changing the compat level a risc, or is it equal in the end.. |
| 21:49.31 | valdyn | Schuenemann: like resizing windows |
| 21:49.42 | simonrvn | foetus: a risk to what? |
| 21:49.51 | valdyn | Schuenemann: now i havent tried this on a gforcer 260+ yet, but it needing that is hilarious |
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| 21:50.06 | Schuenemann | valdyn, hmm I see |
| 21:50.12 | simonrvn | foetus: compat level means your package is up to the standards version |
| 21:50.14 | pappanz_ | well there's xfwm composite |
| 21:50.17 | simonrvn | (i think) |
| 21:50.51 | Schuenemann | does compiz work with fluxbox or lxde too? |
| 21:50.53 | valdyn | Schuenemann: and i dont like to give up resize for expose |
| 21:51.12 | valdyn | Schuenemann: fluxbox is a window manager, compiz is a window manager |
| 21:51.19 | valdyn | Schuenemann: lxde is a desktop environment |
| 21:51.22 | simonrvn | there's xcompmgr, cairo-compmgr, for wm-indep. compositing, plus compiz itself (which is a wm...), plus what pappanz_ mentioned, and others.... |
| 21:51.26 | foetus | simonrvn: ah, ok. with this info i will sleep better..:) |
| 21:51.27 | valdyn | Schuenemann: you cant use 2 window managers at a time |
| 21:51.37 | Schuenemann | I thought fluxbox was a DE too |
| 21:51.40 | simonrvn | foetus: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 21:51.46 | simonrvn | Schuenemann: nope |
| 21:51.55 | foetus | simonrvn: some apps are too important, you know. |
| 21:52.09 | Schuenemann | what DE does fluxbox runs at, then? |
| 21:52.22 | valdyn | Schuenemann: none by default, its just a wm |
| 21:52.23 | Schuenemann | run* |
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| 21:52.38 | Alocado | hello |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | Schuenemann: you wanted to ask "which de uses fluxbox by default" : none |
| 21:53.21 | Alocado | is there any possibility to get the stderr output of a program (dialog) into a variable instead of a file? i'm using "dialog... 2> file" atm... |
| 21:53.26 | Schuenemann | valdyn, I have slackware running fluxbox... I don't remember installing gnome or kde there |
| 21:53.48 | valdyn | Alocado: variable=$(run program 2>&1) i guess |
| 21:54.11 | Alocado | valdyn, dialog uses stdout for communication with the user.. |
| 21:54.24 | valdyn | Schuenemann: so? how does that not fit to what i said? |
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| 21:55.11 | schasi | hi there |
| 21:55.17 | valdyn | Schuenemann: window managers are part of what makes a desktop, not vice versa |
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| 21:55.42 | twobitsprite | does anyone know if sync(2) will block on all calls until the buffers are fully flushed? |
| 21:55.43 | Schuenemann | valdyn, so what does a desktop environment has that a window manager doesn't? |
| 21:55.57 | Alocado | valdyn, is there another possibility? |
| 21:56.06 | valdyn | Schuenemann: applications, tools, programs |
| 21:56.19 | twobitsprite | Schuenemann: task bar, menus, other tools (i.e., kontrol panel, etc) |
| 21:56.58 | Schuenemann | what about that menu accessible my the right click in fluxbox? |
| 21:57.00 | valdyn | Schuenemann: everything you run in X is part of your personal desktop environment |
| 21:57.36 | floatboat | how do i change acroread to use lp instead of lpr? |
| 21:57.55 | stew | Schuenemann: a desktop environment might have a desktop. like a root window with icons referring to files/folders |
| 21:58.51 | valdyn | Schuenemann: Whats part of gnome is defined by the gnome developers. Same for kde etc |
| 21:58.59 | simonrvn | Schuenemann: a DE would have an external way of handling what flux does internally |
| 21:58.59 | twobitsprite | Schuenemann: fluxbox does provide some tools usually found in a "desktop environment". Keep in mind, that term is a loose term does not have a strict definition... it usually just refers to any collection of tools/programs beyond just a basic window manager (which simply provides window borders, placement, sizing, etc) |
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| 21:59.24 | Schuenemann | hmmm |
| 21:59.34 | valdyn | Schuenemann: And just those developerse make those apps share a common look and feel |
| 22:00.29 | pappanz_ | Schuenemann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager |
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| 22:01.14 | twobitsprite | Schuenemann: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/12/18/flipping-the-linux-switch-desktop-environments-vs-window-manag/ |
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| 22:03.25 | bob489 | i'm building some tinyX servers... would a debian source package that uses Xfree86 to build the binary package be considered acceptable? |
| 22:03.32 | s00bie | can someone run a tcptraceroute to me? need to figure out if incoming ocnnections are stopping at isp, router, or dying on my server |
| 22:03.49 | valdyn | Schuenemann: the key reason why your setup is not a desktop environment is that fluxbox is just a window manager and no one is distributing fluxbox + set of apps calling it a DE |
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| 22:04.40 | Schuenemann | I see |
| 22:04.43 | simonrvn | there's the old blackbox utils but nothing i'd call a full-fledged DE... |
| 22:04.46 | ajavid | valdyn, do you ever rest? |
| 22:05.02 | valdyn | ajavid: 12 hours a day not enough? |
| 22:05.05 | ajavid | valdyn, and don't say on sundays |
| 22:05.06 | Schuenemann | so I could use gnome with a different WM than the default one |
| 22:05.07 | ajavid | heh |
| 22:05.17 | twobitsprite | s00bie: http://www.traceroute.org/ |
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| 22:05.21 | Schuenemann | which is what compiz does |
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| 22:05.31 | ajavid | one time i asked this guy, hey you work so much all the time, when do you sleep, he said, sundays |
| 22:05.33 | simonrvn | Schuenemann: of course. i am now, sawfish |
| 22:05.35 | ajavid | lol |
| 22:05.36 | ajavid | nm |
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| 22:05.53 | Schuenemann | simonrvn, what is the name of the default one? |
| 22:05.59 | twobitsprite | metacity |
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| 22:06.14 | giusef | Hi all. Why don't I have the flashplugin-nonfree in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 22:06.24 | abrotman | giusef: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 22:06.26 | valdyn | giusef: its only in sid |
| 22:06.33 | valdyn | giusef: or dmm uh |
| 22:06.39 | Schuenemann | ok |
| 22:06.40 | Schuenemann | thanks |
| 22:06.50 | giusef | hm thank you, looking |
| 22:06.57 | valdyn | giusef: you should use the sid version if you are running debian/amd64 |
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| 22:07.29 | gryfie | Hi. I'm useing openoffice on lenny..... I don't havbe DIN A4-papersize available.... what packages do I missing ? |
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| 22:08.57 | valdyn | gryfie: somehow i cant believe that you dont have it available |
| 22:09.28 | simonrvn | yeh, really |
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| 22:09.39 | shafu | w |
| 22:09.43 | simonrvn | other than "Letter" it's *very* common |
| 22:10.04 | valdyn | gryfie: Format -> Page Properties -> Page -> Select the "Format" |
| 22:10.13 | johndoe | giusef: download it from adobe's website |
| 22:10.38 | gryfie | One Moment, I'll check again |
| 22:11.05 | Schuenemann | brb to test compiz |
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| 22:12.28 | gryfie | Ok, I can select then A4 (what is alkready choosen..... but not in printersettings |
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| 22:12.45 | gryfie | I use cups to print via network |
| 22:12.46 | valdyn | simonrvn: can debian sawfish do tiling or do i need to grab that script? |
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| 22:12.52 | peterius | I've had so many update-manager issues for so many weeks now that I'm wondering, how would I know if someone had replaced my update-manager with a rootkit? |
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| 22:13.04 | abrotman | why do people let that thing even run ... |
| 22:13.04 | zleap | chkrootkit |
| 22:13.06 | zleap | or something |
| 22:14.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: irritating, that thing. fuck. and hogs the box when you're running an update... ugh. |
| 22:14.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: kill it! |
| 22:14.14 | peterius | yeah but at this point, I mean... can someone do an md5 checksum on their update-manager? |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | starts a movement .. |
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| 22:14.31 | abrotman | peterius: you're running squeeze/sid ? |
| 22:14.33 | tisker | Hi all! |
| 22:14.36 | Schuenemann | Compiz failed: http://pastebin.ca/1366577 |
| 22:14.41 | peterius | testing, whatever that is now abrotman |
| 22:14.54 | abrotman | peterius: lots of people have been reporting that it's been acting up .. just kill it and use aptitude |
| 22:15.05 | peterius | well I have been but... |
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| 22:15.15 | peterius | it just worries me |
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| 22:15.54 | tisker | Suggest me please nice-viewed desktop-switcher for xfce |
| 22:16.04 | peterius | it says it can't initiate dbus and then gives some python errors |
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| 22:16.32 | peterius | when I run it from console, if I run it from menubar, it leaves a gray circle even after its closed and it won't update anything |
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| 22:17.43 | magyar_ | how do i generate a cakey in lenny, is there an automated process? |
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| 22:19.02 | Schuenemann | valdyn, it says xgl not present: http://pastebin.ca/1366577 |
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| 22:19.32 | valdyn | Schuenemann: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 22:19.50 | Schuenemann | direct rendering: Yes |
| 22:20.33 | valdyn | Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found |
| 22:20.43 | valdyn | for some reason that card is blacklisted |
| 22:20.47 | valdyn | i dont know why |
| 22:20.58 | valdyn | xgl not found is not an error, thats fine |
| 22:21.08 | valdyn | xtr: try running compiz.real instead |
| 22:21.08 | Schuenemann | many people old me it could run compiz |
| 22:21.11 | Schuenemann | told* |
| 22:21.19 | valdyn | Schuenemann: try running compiz.real instead |
| 22:21.20 | xtr | k. |
| 22:21.48 | lepine_w | can someone give me the factoid about apt-get update lenny/etch keys? |
| 22:22.11 | Schuenemann | valdyn, all my window decorations vanished |
| 22:22.20 | Schuenemann | valdyn, borders, titlebar |
| 22:22.51 | valdyn | Schuenemann: looks good then |
| 22:23.06 | Schuenemann | valdyn, no, it looks horrible! |
| 22:23.08 | valdyn | Schuenemann: list some plugins that you need in order |
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| 22:23.17 | valdyn | Schuenemann: google for info a to which ones that is |
| 22:23.40 | Schuenemann | valdyn, can't I choose them in that config window? |
| 22:23.49 | Schuenemann | ccsm or something like that |
| 22:23.50 | valdyn | Schuenemann: you can try that |
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| 22:23.58 | johndoe | does someone know anything about blank tty's in debian 5.0? (possibly with nvidia's drivers) |
| 22:24.01 | abrotman | lepine_w: what about them? install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 22:24.12 | abrotman | johndoe: try without the binary nvidia junk |
| 22:24.22 | Schuenemann | valdyn, the decoratons are a plugin? |
| 22:24.43 | johndoe | abrotman: yes, they work. but then again i want the driver support it provides :/ |
| 22:24.44 | lepine_w | abrotman: ah ha! thank you |
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| 22:24.54 | abrotman | johndoe: i'm telling oyu to see if the consoles are blank without the binary crap |
| 22:24.55 | lepine_w | the error msg dissapeared :) |
| 22:24.56 | johndoe | abrotman: it used to work in etch |
| 22:25.02 | abrotman | ok .. then don't try |
| 22:25.07 | valdyn | Schuenemann: yea, everything is a plugin |
| 22:25.17 | abrotman | uses a plugin on valdyn |
| 22:25.18 | johndoe | abrotman: they arent blank without the binary crap |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | johndoe: and how did you install your nvidia crap ? |
| 22:25.36 | Schuenemann | valdyn, how do I open that config window? |
| 22:25.44 | johndoe | sh ./NVIDIA .... |
| 22:26.09 | valdyn | Schuenemann: try running ccsm |
| 22:26.13 | johndoe | the same driver the same way as in etch |
| 22:26.40 | abrotman | johndoe: that's not the debian way |
| 22:26.46 | Schuenemann | valdyn, what package has it? |
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| 22:27.32 | valdyn | compizconfig-settings-manager - Compizconfig Settings Manager |
| 22:27.55 | johndoe | abrotman: ok sorry, ive just asked dpkg about nvidia.. |
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| 22:30.35 | Schuenemann | valdyn, hmm... the window decoration is enabled |
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| 22:32.47 | Schuenemann | valdyn, nothing is working I think |
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| 22:34.56 | Schuenemann | sigh |
| 22:35.54 | Schuenemann | brb |
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| 22:38.44 | simonrvn | valdyn: he might want fusion-icon to sswitch back and forth quickly, and launch the configurators easily. |
| 22:38.59 | simonrvn | just a tip, it eases testing a lot |
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| 22:47.28 | Schuenemann | valdyn, SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz |
| 22:47.39 | Schuenemann | valdyn, worked, but lags |
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| 22:48.43 | Schuenemann | well, maybe that's why it's blacklisted :-/ |
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| 23:04.33 | serfurj` | does anyone know of a good, up-to-date howto for connecting to a wifi network with WPA? |
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| 23:04.52 | azeem | serfurj`: what's the problem? |
| 23:05.42 | serfurj` | azeem: i need to connect to a wireless network that uses WPA. |
| 23:05.54 | serfurj` | i'm not sure if wpa supplicant is still recommended |
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| 23:06.29 | liable | it is |
| 23:06.49 | jpinx | serfurj`: or wicd |
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| 23:07.15 | abrotman | wicd is an application? not encrpytion? |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | and wicd isn't in lenny |
| 23:07.34 | liable | yes, its a pythin app |
| 23:07.37 | liable | python |
| 23:07.39 | azeem | or n-m |
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| 23:09.09 | maligor | the first decent n-m is version 0.7 tho, which isn't in lenny :P |
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| 23:13.18 | jpinx | wicd is not in Lenny- but it works well. |
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| 23:18.30 | serfurj` | i don't like that wicd runs its own service |
| 23:18.55 | serfurj` | i'm using a very minimal eee pc |
| 23:19.46 | liable | they all do, but if you want just a wpasupp conf, we made a wiki page for it |
| 23:20.03 | maligor | err.. how would you not run a service? |
| 23:20.05 | peope | How can I search for a file in a package from commandline? I can do an apt-cache search <packagename>... But how do I get the packages with the specificed filename in it? |
| 23:20.23 | azeem | apt-file |
| 23:20.28 | peope | thanks :) |
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| 23:23.49 | spozen | anyone here tried oneswarm on debian? |
| 23:24.34 | Roconda_ | hi, adduser returns me error 10 and useradd cannot open my passwd file |
| 23:24.34 | schasi | I get an "Unable to chdir() to /home/myuser" when trying to start gdm (on unstable). google gives no hint. / and /home/myuser are have 755. Any idea? |
| 23:24.38 | serfurj` | maligor: ? |
| 23:24.46 | serfurj` | i'm not running any services |
| 23:25.01 | lepine_w | schasi: whoami |
| 23:25.25 | azeem | serfurj`: how do you login then? |
| 23:26.23 | serfurj` | azeem: startx |
| 23:26.33 | schasi | you are lepine_w. but invoke-rc.d gdm restart fails as myuser sudoing and as root |
| 23:26.35 | azeem | serfurj`: how do you run startx? |
| 23:26.45 | serfurj` | azeem: inittab |
| 23:27.11 | lepine_w | you get permission errors as root? |
| 23:27.13 | azeem | hrm, that's started by the init service, methinks |
| 23:27.14 | azeem | anyway |
| 23:27.42 | lepine_w | you might want 766 |
| 23:27.58 | lepine_w | 755 is everything for owner, read and exec for group and others |
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| 23:28.19 | lepine_w | oh wait ... on a home dir ... you don't want that |
| 23:28.25 | cusco | hi |
| 23:28.54 | cusco | is there a place where iceweasel is relesed or only at debian repos? |
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| 23:29.08 | Roconda_ | hi, adduser returns me error 10 and useradd cannot open my passwd file. Running lenny, anyone ? |
| 23:29.13 | TiOaN | how i can start start an xen domU under lenny with init.d after reboot |
| 23:29.13 | jetscreamer | !iceweasel |
| 23:29.14 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.. You want to change settings in gnome (as changing your mail reader) call gnome-default-applications-properties |
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| 23:29.49 | jetscreamer | Roconda_: as root? |
| 23:29.53 | Roconda_ | yes |
| 23:29.55 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:29.57 | adama | Roconda_: pastebin your command and output please? |
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| 23:31.22 | hallowname | hmm, under squeeze, "sudo m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-modules" fails with an empty buildlog. tips? |
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| 23:31.37 | cusco | jetscreamer: I checked the bot factoid |
| 23:31.45 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 23:33.17 | Roconda_ | adama: http://pastebin.ca/1366654 pastebin useradd, adduser |
| 23:33.25 | salvo | ciao |
| 23:33.28 | salvo | !list |
| 23:33.28 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to salvo |
| 23:33.38 | stew | salvo: what are you tyring to do? |
| 23:34.10 | simonrvn | some lamers sometimes come into the chan looking for warez that way... |
| 23:34.23 | Roconda_ | lol |
| 23:34.24 | hallowname | hmm, there is no squeeze friendly ose of virtualbox =[ back to proprietary land i go... |
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| 23:35.01 | simonrvn | Roconda_: yeh really, as if there would be any, heh |
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| 23:36.22 | Roconda_ | simonrvn: would be fun if someone spread warez due dpkg packages |
| 23:37.13 | simonrvn | not really... imo |
| 23:37.57 | Roconda_ | dpkg -i warez-dev |
| 23:37.57 | dpkg | removes a lung from roconda_ and replaces it with warez-dev |
| 23:38.10 | ajavid | doh |
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| 23:38.29 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 23:39.37 | Mac121 | hi |
| 23:40.21 | Mac121 | just install debain5 and tryin to install a graphical package manager but atitude install synaptic does seem to do it? |
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| 23:42.18 | Pnux | hey, simple question.. in /etc/rc2.d, does the numbers after S set the priority? So S05loadcpufreq has a higher priority than S99rc.local ? |
| 23:42.51 | Rienzilla | it's the order in which the scripts are executed |
| 23:42.58 | jpinx | Mac121: are you looking for a desktop and windows manager? |
| 23:43.04 | Rienzilla | S05loadcpufreq is started before S99rc.local |
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| 23:43.22 | abrotman | Pnux: the order |
| 23:43.36 | simonrvn | *window* manager... dunno wtf is a windows manager |
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| 23:43.49 | Pnux | and what about those which start with K? |
| 23:45.00 | newbieer | hi, how can i request an ip from a definite server for example 192.168.15.1 |
| 23:45.16 | Rienzilla | the scripts with Sxx are start with 'start', the scripts with Kxx are called with 'stop' parameter |
| 23:45.49 | Pnux | Rienzilla, abrotman: thanks for the answers |
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| 23:50.02 | Mac121 | jpinx no just tryin to install synaptic but found the solution didnt have the right info in apt/sources |
| 23:50.27 | jpinx | Mac121: ok |
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| 23:57.30 | ajavid | seriously |
| 23:57.41 | ajavid | synaptic is evil. |
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| 23:58.08 | ajavid | I don't know why but i find myself getting irritated with people using synaptic. |
| 23:58.28 | ajavid | whatever. |
| 23:58.39 | Pnux | ajavid: why so? |
| 23:58.49 | ajavid | I don't know man |
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| 23:59.05 | ajavid | fucking synaptic pisses me off, just like any other gui package managing front end |
| 23:59.24 | ajavid | how hard is it to edit sources.list or preferences or fucking type aptitde install something or other or soemthing |
| 23:59.28 | ajavid | I mean c'mon |
| 23:59.54 | Alam_Lenny | how do I get GCC's builtin defines? |
