| 00:00.08 | abrotman | !tell GoatHoof about install gnome |
| 00:00.08 | abrotman | start smaller |
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| 00:00.59 | GoatHoof | well, I can install nautilus but it wants to remove a LOT of packages |
| 00:01.03 | MegafEee | xjunior: did you try to turn the numlock off? |
| 00:01.32 | GoatHoof | even packages that shouldn't require nautilus(compiz) |
| 00:02.20 | MegafEee | why nautilus? try thunar :) |
| 00:02.44 | xjunior | MegafEee, when you said it my heart shot, because you're right... :| wow, something is enabling num lock when I log in |
| 00:02.45 | elmaroufy | hi, how many DVDs od debian i need to install it, there is 5 DVDs, can I use download the first ? |
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| 00:03.28 | MegafEee | xjunior: :S |
| 00:03.35 | kriebel | elmaroufy: you can install from the tiny "business card" iso if you have broadband |
| 00:03.39 | MegafEee | so simple and easy to solve that |
| 00:03.44 | MegafEee | well |
| 00:03.47 | kriebel | I recommend the netinst cd |
| 00:03.50 | GoatHoof | you can't run gnome without nautilus can you Mega? |
| 00:03.56 | MegafEee | xjunior: there are an option in somewhere |
| 00:04.03 | MegafEee | in gnome to turn off |
| 00:04.10 | xjunior | lemme see |
| 00:04.21 | kriebel | there used to be an option for turning off desktop icons |
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| 00:04.23 | MegafEee | GoatHoof: so, why gnome? try the new xfce :) |
| 00:04.27 | cisticola | I did a new install of lenny onto an old laptop, It had been running etch previously without problem. now I get a busybody prompt after Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle then begin: mounting root file system and eventually ALERT! /dev/hda5 does not exist |
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| 00:04.58 | cisticola | I have a busybox prompt |
| 00:05.05 | axolx | hey guys -- on apache on debian, does the file name of a virtual host file (in sites-available) need to match the domain name? or can i name those files anything i want? |
| 00:05.07 | kriebel | I didn't understand a word you just said, little man |
| 00:05.10 | kriebel | but you touched me |
| 00:05.18 | GoatHoof | well, I have lxde, so I can use it, but it's not really a fix |
| 00:05.23 | bluethundr | about to enter a meeting with a new web startup |
| 00:05.25 | bluethundr | trying to convince them to use debian, not red hat |
| 00:05.45 | MegafEee | axolx: im not sure, but i dont think so Oo |
| 00:05.47 | elmaroufy | kriebel : thanks, but i d'int have a broadband |
| 00:05.49 | bluethundr | what are some big name websites (besides digg and google) that use debian or debian based distros that I can impress them with? |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | axolx: no |
| 00:06.55 | kriebel | elmaroufy: then downloading a DVD ISO seems out of the question, too |
| 00:06.55 | xjunior | MegafEee, thank you dude :D |
| 00:07.02 | axolx | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:07.04 | MegafEee | starting to like this channel |
| 00:07.15 | bluethundr | entering the meeting |
| 00:07.30 | MegafEee | xjunior: no problem :) |
| 00:07.34 | kriebel | elmaroufy: however, there are DVD images that have gnome or KDE bumped to the first disk |
| 00:08.00 | kriebel | axolx: I don't think the filename matters |
| 00:08.11 | MegafEee | <GoatHoof> well, remove it and see what happen |
| 00:08.17 | axolx | kriebel: thanks |
| 00:08.27 | GoatHoof | remove lxde? |
| 00:08.34 | kriebel | bluethundr: I know pobox.com uses it but is desperately trying to ditch it for Solaris ;-) |
| 00:08.36 | elmaroufy | kriebel : so, i can install it from the first DVD. tanks :) |
| 00:08.45 | MegafEee | GoatHoof: nope, try to install nautilus again |
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| 00:08.57 | MegafEee | and let it to remove compiz or however |
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| 00:09.10 | kriebel | elmaroufy: debian isn't like RedHat or such. There's no set-in-stone set of installed software |
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| 00:09.19 | cremmora | compis is naice (borat) |
| 00:09.19 | MegafEee | after the installation, just re-install compiz... |
| 00:09.26 | cremmora | lol |
| 00:09.29 | MegafEee | cremmora: Oo |
| 00:09.37 | cremmora | lol |
| 00:09.46 | kriebel | goes to eat |
| 00:09.56 | cremmora | flip the cube and have a sexy time |
| 00:09.57 | MegafEee | is completely full |
| 00:09.57 | GoatHoof | it wants to remove gnome-panel and gnome-session if I install nautilus |
| 00:10.25 | MegafEee | GoatHoof: Oo, maybe it just want to update? |
| 00:10.32 | cremmora | i hate when dependencys break |
| 00:10.37 | MegafEee | do it and see what happen |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | GoatHoof: maybe you shouldn't be using unstable .. or maybe oyu should wait a day or two |
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| 00:10.58 | GoatHoof | I've waited more than a day |
| 00:11.00 | MegafEee | GoatHoof: wait, are you using unstable?? |
| 00:11.03 | abrotman | GoatHoof: unless you really need to install something, just wait |
| 00:11.04 | GoatHoof | yep |
| 00:11.13 | GoatHoof | I can wait |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | GoatHoof: if you're running unstable, you should expect these issues .. if you can't deal with them, don't run unstable .. pretty simple |
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| 00:11.35 | piper69 | Howdy fellas |
| 00:11.38 | GoatHoof | yep, already know that |
| 00:11.41 | BCM43 | how would i figure out if a files system is ext2 or 3? |
| 00:11.50 | MegafEee | piper69: hi folk |
| 00:12.01 | GoatHoof | well thanks anyway |
| 00:12.02 | bluethundr | ah, okay.. what does pobox do? what are some other debian based sites? any real popular ones to wow the execs? |
| 00:12.20 | MegafEee | BCM43: is mounted? |
| 00:12.24 | BCM43 | MegafEee: yea |
| 00:12.29 | abrotman | BCM43: if you type 'mount' it should show you |
| 00:12.38 | MegafEee | yep :) |
| 00:12.42 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 00:12.44 | MegafEee | thats why i asked that |
| 00:13.36 | piper69 | i am running etchnhalf now everytime i do apt-get update i get this error http://pastebin.com/d3791a1dd |
| 00:13.49 | piper69 | ^ can someone please tell me what i am missing |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | piper69: paste your sources.list |
| 00:14.35 | MegafEee | piper69: ouch, paste your sources... |
| 00:14.52 | MegafEee | there are something wrong in there |
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| 00:15.50 | abrotman | just said that ... |
| 00:16.18 | piper69 | abrotman: MegafEee here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/d37b09156 |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | piper69: change it from stable-backports to etch-backports |
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| 00:16.42 | themill | should be lenny-backports or etch-backports |
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| 00:16.51 | themill | dpkg: tell piper69 about stable sources.list |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | oh .. i guess it should be .. unless he's still trying to run etch |
| 00:17.11 | themill | hate to think what sort of lenny/etch homebrew it is now |
| 00:17.32 | abrotman | piper69: are you trying to run lenny or etch on this box? |
| 00:17.47 | piper69 | abrotman: etch |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | piper69: actually .. if oyu're running etch, your sources.list is all wrong |
| 00:17.58 | themill | quite |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | piper69: everywhere it says stable, should say etch |
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| 00:18.29 | themill | piper69: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1" |
| 00:19.25 | piper69 | themill: ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:19.36 | abrotman | piper69: welcome to lenny! |
| 00:19.46 | abrotman | piper69: point all your sources from stable to lenny |
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| 00:20.16 | themill | dpkg: tell piper69 about etch->lenny |
| 00:20.24 | themill | you're about half-way there, most likely. |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | just far enough to be a mess :) |
| 00:21.09 | piper69 | is lenny stable ? |
| 00:21.22 | MegafEee | yep |
| 00:21.24 | streuner | sure |
| 00:21.53 | piper69 | smile and wave...just smile and wave! |
| 00:22.16 | abrotman | piper69: /topic ... |
| 00:22.34 | piper69 | abrotman: so just open sources.list with vi and do %s/stable/lenny |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | piper69: seems reasonable |
| 00:23.52 | cisticola | Hi I am at a busybox prompt because /dev/hds5 can not be found. but nothing in dev looks like a hard drive to me no hdaX , no sdaX |
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| 00:24.30 | cisticola | I am booting from the hdd so it is there, really |
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| 00:26.55 | piper69 | abrotman: where can i get a correct sources.list |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | piper69: yours is mostly fine |
| 00:27.05 | cisticola | should I LABEL or UUID grub.menu or is the absence of any sda/hda in /dev evidence of a bigger problem? |
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| 00:27.27 | abrotman | so it boots, but not really? |
| 00:27.49 | MegafEee | cisticola: put /dev/sd... instead |
| 00:28.08 | piper69 | abrotman: cool thanks man |
| 00:28.24 | gewt | what!? |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | cisticola: did you recently change your kenrel? |
| 00:28.30 | gewt | i have no /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:28.36 | gewt | has somethign changed since etch? |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | gewt: using grub2? |
| 00:28.40 | gewt | yea |
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| 00:28.44 | abrotman | totally different |
| 00:28.49 | gewt | what is it now? |
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| 00:29.14 | cisticola | abrotman: yes it boots. to busybox Its a new lenny install |
| 00:29.16 | corinth | If I have a seperate partition for /usr, what is installed on / ? |
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| 00:29.34 | gewt | i need to change some boot-time stuff |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | gewt: /etc/grub.d/ .. mostly .. other places too |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | corinth: everything else? |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | cisticola: so it can't find root ? |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | !waiting for root |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 00:30.11 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid> |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 00:30.23 | cisticola | that is correct |
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| 00:32.40 | gewt | !kernel-xen |
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| 00:33.18 | hollywoodb | I'm hitting bug 516767 ... I'm running wicd 1.5.9-1 and am a member of netdev group |
| 00:33.27 | hollywoodb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516767 |
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| 00:33.42 | hollywoodb | the bug says to upgrade to 1.5.9-2. I'm running unstable and I don't have that available |
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| 00:34.19 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd |
| 00:34.20 | judd | abrotman: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 squeeze: 1.5.9-1 sid: 1.5.9-3 |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | you should |
| 00:34.52 | stew | reading it as "to at least 1.5.9-2" is probably accurate |
| 00:34.52 | hollywoodb | let me try a different mirror then |
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| 00:38.18 | cisticola | abrotman: can not find /dev/sda5 either. This is a new lenny install so this should not be an issue. are HDD's ever anything other than sda or hda? |
| 00:38.31 | corinth | Anyone willing to walk me through upgrading my kernel to the one in Sid, or whatever the newest one is? |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | not a HDD afaik |
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| 00:38.42 | corinth | I won't be offended if no one wants to help :P |
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| 00:39.31 | PeterFA | What's the name of the new version of Debian? |
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| 00:39.58 | themill | corinth: i386 or amd64? |
| 00:40.07 | cisticola | crap! i will uuid it anyway |
| 00:40.11 | corinth | i386, themill |
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| 00:40.33 | module000 | PeterFA: the current stable is "lenny" |
| 00:40.42 | PeterFA | I meant unstable. |
| 00:40.42 | themill | corinth: then you're SoL. There is no i386 kernel in sid at the moment. The same kernel is in lenny and squeeze though (2.6.26) |
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| 00:40.47 | PeterFA | I always get the name wrong, module000. |
| 00:40.50 | PeterFA | Squish? |
| 00:40.52 | gewt | corinth, i'll help you. |
| 00:40.53 | themill | PeterFA: sid is always sid. |
| 00:40.59 | r0b | PeterFA: sid is unstable as always |
| 00:41.01 | corinth | Thanks, gewt . |
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| 00:41.13 | icenine | wait, so which is testing? |
| 00:41.15 | gewt | corinth, do you want the latest kernel *period*? |
| 00:41.22 | icenine | testing is more unstable than unstable, amirite |
| 00:41.24 | PeterFA | I didn't mean Sid :P |
| 00:41.28 | r0b | icenine: squeeze = testing |
| 00:41.32 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 00:41.36 | PeterFA | Squeeze. |
| 00:41.41 | icenine | hm, i think i might need to upgrade :D |
| 00:41.47 | PeterFA | r0b, know how far along Squeeze is? |
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| 00:42.27 | r0b | PeterFA: couple of weeks |
| 00:43.01 | PeterFA | How long do you think until it's moderately usable? |
| 00:43.22 | dondelelcaro | PeterFA: it's usable now |
| 00:43.22 | r0b | im using it currently, i dont have any issues myself |
| 00:43.42 | PeterFA | Cool. |
| 00:43.47 | r0b | i could be wrong but i dont think its getting security updates yet |
| 00:44.00 | PeterFA | This is my desktop machine, I'm not too worried about it. |
| 00:44.03 | themill | PeterFA: it's likely to get less usable before too long though. That's the usual pattern. |
| 00:44.28 | PeterFA | themill, why? |
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| 00:45.01 | icenine | omg I am upgrading rite now |
| 00:45.24 | themill | PeterFA: because all manner of stuff is going to hit sid at the same time and packages won't be properly hammered into shape and integrated with each other. The worst bugs are kept out of testing as long as they're caught straight away. |
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| 00:45.52 | Siegfried | dkr hmm still the same with -z |
| 00:46.13 | PeterFA | themill, how will I know it's a good idea to switch if I have a taste for new stuff without too much worry of bugs? |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | PeterFA: why would you want to move to testing? |
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| 00:46.57 | PeterFA | abrotman, getting all the new stuff. |
| 00:47.03 | icenine | yo i am already moved tot esting right now |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 00:47.06 | themill | PeterFA: new == new bugs. what more do you want to know? |
| 00:47.11 | PeterFA | abrotman, sometimes it's better to have the new stuff and sacrifice stability. |
| 00:47.12 | icenine | you need some testosterone supplements PeterFA |
| 00:47.14 | icenine | just do it |
| 00:47.16 | icenine | do it nao |
| 00:47.17 | abrotman | icenine: stop |
| 00:47.17 | dkr | Siegfried: I think you also misunderstood the wildcard options. get rid fo the * |
| 00:47.54 | Siegfried | ok trying thanks! the tar is 100gb so it takes time :( |
| 00:48.08 | PeterFA | Siegfried, your collection of DVDs? |
| 00:48.28 | hollywoodb | still hitting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516767 |
| 00:48.28 | dkr | Siegfried: why ddi you add those otions anyway? man tar explicitly says they are for exclude lists ( which you aren't using) |
| 00:48.33 | hollywoodb | dpkg -l wicd says 1.5.9-3 |
| 00:48.33 | dpkg | ii wicd says 1.5.9-3 2.8-12.3 hollywoodb's private porn collection |
| 00:48.41 | hollywoodb | http://dpaste.com/4924/ |
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| 00:49.06 | Siegfried | dkr i wanted to extract a whole folder only, i thought it was used for this |
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| 00:49.28 | Siegfried | PeterFA, hmm no, only legal stuff for a site :p |
| 00:49.42 | PeterFA | Siegfried, how many websites do you have? |
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| 00:49.44 | PeterFA | 3000? |
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| 00:50.51 | dkr | Siegfried: hrm, yeah, I guess it is not clear that the same method is used for extraction as creation "The final arguments to tar are the names of the files or directories which should be archived. The use of a directory name always implies that the subdirectories below should be included in the archive." |
| 00:51.08 | dkr | but it does work the same way. :) |
| 00:51.30 | dondelelcaro | Siegfried: then you just go tar -zxf foo.tar.gz path/to/files/you/want |
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| 00:51.33 | dkr | I think. guess I should test it |
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| 00:52.03 | PeterFA | Joomla! should be packaged like Debian. |
| 00:52.16 | PeterFA | Like with distributions and repositories. |
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| 00:53.04 | doctormo | PeterFA: Lots of things should be packaged. |
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| 00:53.26 | Siegfried | PeterFA, only one on that server (sorry i missed your question) |
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| 00:53.35 | doctormo | Although I'd say it's not the packages per-say put the strong infrastructure built up over time. |
| 00:53.44 | dkr | Siegfried: my test cnofirmed what I said, but i discoevred you rproblem. you need to put the -C dest/dir before the list of files to extract |
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| 00:53.53 | Siegfried | oh |
| 00:54.00 | themill | PeterFA: packaging something lke that would require it to be supportable by the security team. Do you think that's possible? |
| 00:54.05 | dkr | Siegfried: tar -C dest/dir -zxf foo.tgz dir/to/extract |
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| 00:54.19 | Siegfried | thanks dkr , trying :) |
| 00:54.30 | PeterFA | themill, let's put it this way... my mention should have been in #debian-offtopic. |
| 00:54.56 | doctormo | PeterFA: Interesting admition |
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| 00:55.15 | PeterFA | themill, because it's not Debian anymore, it's Joomla!. Debian is an operating system, so let Joomla! be like Debian with a repository and you select what you want. |
| 00:55.18 | dkr | PeterFA: is discussing where to talk on topic? hahaha, a vicious cycle |
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| 00:56.10 | PeterFA | dkr, #debian-topic |
| 00:56.22 | MegafEee | KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK i cannot bread, |
| 00:56.29 | MegafEee | laughing a lot |
| 00:56.31 | MegafEee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMOQnJ-SLHI |
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| 00:57.05 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:57.06 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:57.19 | dkr | wonders if MegafEee is being extremely off-topic as a joke based on previous occurrences, or if he just clueless? ;) |
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| 00:57.47 | MegafEee | dkr: just watch that :) |
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| 01:01.52 | stoned | testing is a fair compromise between stability and latest software |
| 01:01.53 | Dougy | Does debian 5.0 support hostraid ? |
| 01:02.08 | stoned | not bad, not bad at al |
| 01:02.17 | PeterFA | I'm hungry. |
| 01:02.19 | stoned | 5.0 is major ass kickery |
| 01:02.24 | PeterFA | I highly recomend food for myself. |
| 01:02.26 | stoned | PeterFA, been rockin' the ganja have ya |
| 01:02.27 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:02.55 | Mousey | stoned: i run all three |
| 01:02.58 | doctormo | I notice a lot of raid talk today. |
| 01:03.00 | Mousey | unstable/testing/stable |
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| 01:03.11 | stoned | Mousey, many of us do |
| 01:03.19 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 01:03.19 | PeterFA | Hey, is there a repository for all sorts of packages that don't quite meet the criteria for Stable? |
| 01:03.32 | doctormo | PeterFA: ubuntu? |
| 01:03.40 | PeterFA | doctormo, har har... |
| 01:03.41 | Mousey | stoned: at once? |
| 01:03.45 | stoned | indeed |
| 01:03.54 | stoned | I keep a sid inside my etch desktop for development |
| 01:04.07 | inositle | Does the version of mkinitrd on Debian 4 not support the --with= argument? Is there a way I can get a version that does? |
| 01:04.12 | Mousey | oh. i run all three on every box i install on |
| 01:04.13 | PeterFA | Gentoo has a nice healthy package base, and that's what I miss from Gentoo. |
| 01:04.20 | stoned | I have a box with all 3 running simultaneously which I use to test/build packages etc. |
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| 01:04.40 | stew | inositle: you should not be using mkinitrd with recent kernels, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools instead |
| 01:04.51 | Mousey | stoned: well to be fair i pin testing as the default.. but everything i apt-get install is -t unstable |
| 01:04.56 | Dougy | Does debian 5.0 support hostraid ? |
| 01:05.00 | stoned | Mousey, chroot. |
| 01:05.14 | Mousey | no need ^_^ |
| 01:05.23 | Mousey | well interweb boxes have needs |
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| 01:06.33 | stoned | doctormo, HAHAHA I just got that |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | PeterFA: what packages are you missing? |
| 01:06.47 | inositle | thanks, if I need to include the sd_mod module in the initrd file should I just add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then run mkinitramfs? |
| 01:06.51 | doctormo | stoned: It was a cheap shot |
| 01:08.11 | stew | inositle: yes, but you can use 'update-initramfs' or "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" if you are running a debian kernel |
| 01:08.19 | doctormo | How many people here are programmers and how many are sys-admins? IRC I think is mostly sys-admins but I can't be sure. |
| 01:08.37 | Mousey | depends on the channel |
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| 01:08.40 | abrotman | doctormo: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:09.01 | stoned | or #debian-chat |
| 01:09.09 | inositle | stew: okay, I'm trying to get Xen to boot compiled from source and it keeps getting stuck waiting for the root file system and drops into busybox |
| 01:09.24 | doctormo | abrotman: that would change the `here` part, maybe I can make the question proxy from there... |
| 01:09.33 | Mousey | wow there really is a #debian-offtopic |
| 01:09.34 | Wyzard | inositle: I've never needed to take any manual steps to get sd-mod included in the initrd... it's there already in the one produced by update-initramfs |
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| 01:10.18 | inositle | Wyzard: that might not be my problem then... when I get dropped into busybox and "cat /proc/partitions" I get an empty list |
| 01:10.31 | Wyzard | inositle: Is it a custom-compiled kernel, or a Debian one? |
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| 01:11.17 | inositle | Wyzard: I believe it's custom compiled... it appeared to be compiling a kernel during the xen build and then dropped a -xen kernel into /boot/ that I'm trying to boot from |
| 01:11.31 | inositle | I'm new to xen, but need to build from source for a project |
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| 01:12.46 | Wyzard | inositle: Building the Xen hypervisor from source and building a kernel from source are two different things |
| 01:12.49 | Gruelius | Can someone give me a guide to set a static ip for lenny? the conventional method i use for etch doesnt work, i need to add routes each time i reboot and the name isnt registered on the network |
| 01:13.07 | Gruelius | (using /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 01:13.18 | doctormo | abrotman: Is there a debian-project irc channel? |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | to talk about what?> |
| 01:13.43 | Wyzard | inositle: I'd recommend getting it working with the stock Debian Xen and kernel packages first, and once that works, switch to whichever one you need custom-compiled |
| 01:13.51 | stew | doctormo: there are many |
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| 01:15.38 | stoned | doctormo, many channels cater to various specific parts of the project |
| 01:15.51 | stoned | doctormo, tell us your topic of discussion and we can direct your to the proper channel |
| 01:15.56 | stoned | you* |
| 01:16.29 | doctormo | stoned: debian-project internal organisation, discussion of project organisation in general and possible introspection. |
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| 01:17.52 | stoned | introspection... termination... inebriation! ;) |
| 01:17.53 | seria-mau | if i install some xfonts, do i have to restart my xserver or can i tell it to reread the list of installed fonts? |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | doctormo: that's extremely vague |
| 01:18.14 | stoned | doctormo, be more specific |
| 01:18.26 | themill | Good luck in finding anyone who wants to talk about that. |
| 01:19.17 | doctormo | abrotman: How is that vague, maybe there's a #debian-politics |
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| 01:21.35 | doctormo | themill: I think your right, unfortunatly. |
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| 01:25.27 | elik | doctormo, there is one, usually shortly after Amercian elections |
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| 01:27.13 | inositle | Wyzard: thanks for that tip... installed the Deb packages and the -686 xen booted fine but the other Grub item it installed without -686 had the same problem I was having before |
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| 01:33.10 | kriebel | inositle: I just installed Xen in Lenny and dom0 works just fine |
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| 01:33.31 | kriebel | my problem is that I get no login prompt in my domU |
| 01:34.04 | cisticola | no luck booting with root=LABEL= |
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| 01:34.45 | cisticola | can I use the rescue disk to install the install kernel to hard disk? |
| 01:35.02 | kriebel | you can use the rescue disk to do a lot of things |
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| 01:36.56 | parsonsd | should a new lenny install recognize a wireless card automagically? |
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| 01:37.21 | kriebel | it depends largely on what driver it uses |
| 01:37.35 | Wyzard | kriebel: Comment out all the getty lines for tty* in your inittab and add one on "hvc0" instead |
| 01:37.47 | Wyzard | kriebel: The paravirt-based Xen implementation uses a different console device |
| 01:37.55 | kriebel | oh |
| 01:37.59 | kriebel | that... makes sense |
| 01:38.08 | kriebel | I new something had to be different in the new version |
| 01:38.13 | parsonsd | kriebel : i know it is supported on obsd, since i pulled it from a machine where it had been an AP -- atheros , i think |
| 01:38.14 | Wyzard | That confused me when I upgraded my VMs to lenny, but the Debian Xen wiki had some info about it |
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| 01:39.00 | parsonsd | but i didn't know if i should expect somethng from ifconfig or not |
| 01:39.08 | kriebel | yes |
| 01:39.14 | Wyzard | inositle: What was the name of the "other grub item" you mentioned? |
| 01:39.16 | kriebel | look through dmesg, lspci, etc |
| 01:39.18 | parsonsd | kriebel : ick. |
| 01:39.26 | parsonsd | kriebel : thanks |
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| 01:39.57 | kriebel | parsonsd: and ifconfig -a. I think wireless-tools is still relevant |
| 01:40.09 | parsonsd | kriebel : does it show up as 'eth1' or something? |
| 01:40.10 | parsonsd | ok |
| 01:40.16 | kriebel | put the device ID from lspci into google and you should get some info |
| 01:40.29 | kriebel | it might show up as eth1, or wifi0, or ath0 or... who knows |
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| 01:41.21 | parsonsd | kriebel : hrm. ifconfig -a gives me ip6-4 (that's new!), loopback and my wired netport |
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| 01:41.49 | kriebel | then you probably need to load a driver |
| 01:42.07 | kriebel | which may or may not need a firmware blob, extra arguments, etc |
| 01:42.08 | pobega | No matter how I setup distcc it REFUSES to work with two Debian based systems -- does anyone have experience using distcc on two Debian computers? |
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| 01:43.29 | dkr | saying what the error was when you tried might be a better approach |
| 01:44.42 | pobega | dkr: that's why I'm asking so generally -- there is no error, there is no problem, it JUST doesn't want to work between two machines no matter how I configure it. |
| 01:45.29 | parsonsd | kriebel : ugh. thanks. |
| 01:45.33 | inositle | Wyzard: when I installed the deb xen package it made two new grub entries. One used vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-xen-686 and the other used vmlinuz-2.6.18-xen. Now that I look at it, I think the non-686 one may be the binary-xen kernel with my old vmlinuz file that I compiled. I'm not really clear on what the vmlinuz file is. |
| 01:45.55 | Wyzard | inositle: Only the -xen one works as dom0 |
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| 01:46.08 | Wyzard | inositle: Either works as domU (though the one without -xen in its name is preferable) |
| 01:46.23 | Wyzard | inositle: The vmlinuz file *is* the kernel |
| 01:46.29 | gateway_ | is there a way to get a machine to boot directly into openbox logged in as a specific user instead of having to login manually at the command prompt then type startx? |
| 01:46.35 | kriebel | the files are *in* the computer |
| 01:47.00 | inositle | Wyzard: both have -xen in the name, one has -686 and the other doesn't... but the one w/out 686 is pointing to the vmlinuz kernel I compiled which is probably why it failed |
| 01:47.15 | Wyzard | inositle: oh, sorry, I misread |
| 01:47.16 | kriebel | gateway_: either install GDB and set that up, or put in your .profile something to detect that you're local and call startx conditionally |
| 01:47.42 | inositle | Wyzard: what's the .gz file on the kernel line in Grub then? like xen-3.1.0.gz |
| 01:47.48 | Wyzard | inositle: It's not too surprising if the stock one works but your custom one doesn't |
| 01:47.51 | kriebel | inositle: the debian scripts try not to break stuff you add to grub... they just added the hypervisor etc to the list |
| 01:48.02 | kriebel | that's the hypervisor |
| 01:48.02 | Wyzard | inositle: That's the hypervisor |
| 01:48.08 | inositle | okay, thanks |
| 01:48.31 | Wyzard | inositle: On a non-Xen system, grub loads the kernel (vmlinuz file) directly... on a Xen system, it loads the hypervisor and passes it the dom0 kernel as a "module" |
| 01:48.46 | Wyzard | inositle: Anyway, you probably left some drivers out of your custom kernel or something |
| 01:48.54 | inositle | okay, cool makes sense |
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| 01:49.03 | Wyzard | inositle: You can use the stock kernel's configuration (it's in /boot) as a starting point for your custom one |
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| 01:53.42 | pobega | No one can help me run distcc on Debian? |
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| 01:56.16 | MegafEee | good night all, cya |
| 01:56.17 | Linuturk | when I ssh into my debian servers, the title of gnome-terminal doesn't switch to the host I'm ssh'd into. I have a few centos boxes that do though. any ideas? |
| 01:59.08 | kriebel | Linuturk: stop using CentOS? |
| 01:59.44 | kriebel | look at your .bashrc etc in centos, and add the pertinant line to your .bashrc in Debian |
| 01:59.50 | inositle | Wyzard: I think I found my IDE drivers being loaded in the stock config file but not in my custom one so I added the line to my custom config. Do I need to recompile my custom kernel now? (I had a config-2.6.18-xen file from before) |
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| 02:01.12 | kriebel | pobega: debian is very generic. likely the problem you are having has to do with firewalls, permissions, ssh keys, or something |
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| 02:01.33 | kriebel | so either try to debug it down to that level yourself, or ask people in other channels |
| 02:01.42 | Wyzard | inositle: The kernel config file controls what gets compiled, so yes, you need to recompile after changing it |
| 02:02.07 | kriebel | sees a login prompt |
| 02:02.12 | kriebel | thank you, Wyzard |
| 02:02.36 | kriebel | for 8 years, you've been telling me the little things I need to know about Debian |
| 02:02.59 | pobega | kriebel: I'm running distcc as the same user/UID on both systems, with both computer's IP in the hosts file. No matter what I put in the host file though, it doesn't want to work -- even if I try @theip it doesn't try connecting via SSH either. |
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| 02:03.56 | kriebel | pobega: afaik, what's in /etc/hosts has little to do with anything except saving the resolver a trip to the Internet |
| 02:04.07 | Linuturk | kriebel: I'm moving over to debian :) I inherieted thses servers with centos. I was just trying to get the debian guy to act like the centos server |
| 02:04.22 | kriebel | if you're reading something that says to put stuff in hosts.allow, then you're reading something from the Dark Ages |
| 02:04.28 | Wyzard | kriebel: You're welcome :-) |
| 02:04.50 | kriebel | Linuturk: do you understand my suggestion? |
| 02:04.51 | pobega | uhh, then what else would /etc/hosts be used for? According to the man pages it looks in $DISTCC_HOSTS, ~/.distcc/hosts then /etc/hosts in that order |
| 02:05.04 | pobega | err, /etc/distcc/hosts, rather* |
| 02:05.23 | Linuturk | kriebel: sort of. my .bashrc on my login pulls /etc/bashrc |
| 02:05.34 | pobega | kriebel: Unless you actually meant /etc/hosts and that wasn't a typo :] I didn't touch /etc/hosts |
| 02:05.34 | Linuturk | kriebel: I'm having problems seeing the pertient section |
| 02:05.45 | kriebel | pobega: ok, that seems less crazy |
| 02:06.04 | kriebel | but I've never used distcc, so I can't be any more helpful |
| 02:06.09 | pobega | But no matter how I configure it distcc refuses to work. It's as if Debian purposely took it and changed how it works without documenting it. |
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| 02:06.25 | kriebel | pobega: they probably made it secure by default |
| 02:06.34 | inositle | Wyzard: One more question, if I do a "make dist" in the xen source directory will it automatically use the new config in /boot/ or do I have to pass that info as an arg? |
| 02:06.42 | pobega | Linuturk: did you look in the GNOME terminal settings? There's a setting for what to use as the title. |
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| 02:07.32 | Linuturk | pobega: yeah, it's set to automatically change. for example, when I shh into a centos server, it changes my title to user@host, those values being the user and host I've logged into, as well as the pwd |
| 02:07.45 | Linuturk | on debian, it keeps my local machine's info |
| 02:07.46 | ovnicraft | hi folks, anyone can suggest me info about create a daemon, with (start, stop, restart) |
| 02:07.48 | kriebel | Linuturk: the one in Ubuntu looks like this: |
| 02:07.50 | kriebel | PS1="\[\e]0;${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h: \w\a\]$PS1" |
| 02:08.07 | dkr | Linuturk: there are technically two settings, one for title and one for title when iconified, maybe yous isn't setting both? echo -n "\033]2;${HOST} $cwd\a\033]1;${HOST}\a" |
| 02:08.10 | kriebel | with an if statement around it |
| 02:08.13 | pobega | ovnicraft: just read and adapt your code from the other daemons in /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:08.20 | Linuturk | I'm not talking about the command prompt, but the title of the window itself kriebel |
| 02:08.28 | kriebel | oh, crap |
| 02:08.41 | kriebel | oh, yeah |
| 02:08.43 | kriebel | that' does it |
| 02:08.48 | Wyzard | inositle: When you say "the Xen source directory", do you mean the *hypervisor* source directory or a *kernel* source directory? |
| 02:08.51 | kriebel | those control codes are ~magic~ |
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| 02:09.29 | Wyzard | inositle: I've never custom-compiled the Xen hypervisor, but to make a config change in a the kernel, you recompile the kernel |
| 02:09.52 | Linuturk | dkr: that doesn't seem to do it for me |
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| 02:10.44 | inositle | Wyzard: I believe the xen source directory starts with just the xen hypervisor code, when you run "make" the first time it grabs a linux kernel source and then proceeds to compile both. I've compiled a custom kernel before but it's been a long time, just wasn't sure if it'll know to use that config file. |
| 02:10.46 | dkr | Linuturk: that wasn't meant to be pasted exactly. since I use tcsh. but try echo -n "\033]2;title\a\033]1;titleiconified\a" to test |
| 02:11.38 | dkr | oops, make that /bin/echo -en |
| 02:11.44 | dkr | echo is also a shell built-in |
| 02:13.32 | Wyzard | inositle: I have no idea what the Xen makefile does |
| 02:13.37 | Wyzard | I'd just use the normal kernel build process |
| 02:13.47 | Linuturk | dkr: I don't understand . . . :( |
| 02:15.31 | dkr | Linuturk: basically what you want to happen is that you open a terminal, ssh to remote machine, and run /bin/echo -en "\033]2;title\a\033]1;titleiconified\a" except where title is an environemnt variable such as $HOST |
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| 02:15.57 | dkr | I was saying to do it manually first to make sure it works, before you automate the rpcoess |
| 02:15.59 | dkr | proces |
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| 02:17.25 | Linuturk | dkr: no dice on the command then |
| 02:17.36 | dkr | Linuturk: what terminal are you using? |
| 02:17.45 | Linuturk | gnome-terminal |
| 02:18.24 | Linuturk | got a result, just now |
| 02:18.30 | Linuturk | it blanked the title |
| 02:18.32 | Linuturk | :-/ |
| 02:18.37 | Linuturk | echo -en "\033]2;$HOST\a\033]1;$HOST\a" |
| 02:19.07 | dkr | does echo $HOST show anything? |
| 02:19.15 | dkr | maybe it's not set for your system for some reason |
| 02:19.25 | Linuturk | nope, not there |
| 02:19.35 | Linuturk | weird |
| 02:19.58 | Linuturk | /etc/hostname is there |
| 02:19.59 | dkr | is it etch or lenny? |
| 02:20.10 | Linuturk | dkr: this is etch |
| 02:20.13 | dkr | (the system you are ssh'd to) |
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| 02:20.25 | gmap | does debian use .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 02:20.38 | Linuturk | dkr: but, I have a lenny machine as well, that does the same exact thing |
| 02:20.55 | dkr | anyone have an idea why his HOST env var is empty? :) |
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| 02:22.13 | dkr | oh, it's HOSTNAME in bash? |
| 02:22.15 | ttuttle | Hey. I'm helping a friend set up a Thinkpad T61 with an Intel 4965 wireless card, and it seems not to DHCP properly. |
| 02:22.32 | dkr | Linuturk: echo $HOSTNAME show it? |
| 02:22.36 | Linuturk | dkr: it is hostname |
| 02:23.11 | Linuturk | dkr: so, I want to show user@host:pwd |
| 02:23.48 | dkr | Linuturk: hrm, I'm not sure how to change it each time you change directories in bash. I know how to do it in tcsh. :) |
| 02:23.48 | nsadmin | what's a good lenny-usable usb wireless dongle I could get for a p4 laptop? |
| 02:24.00 | dkr | Linuturk: man bash probably says though |
| 02:24.00 | simonrvn | OK. i'm obviously missing something here, but i'm building a package, and it looks for -lc during the configure stage. upstream calls it "Extended Attributes", but i have libattr1-dev installed, and configure script tells me i don't have it. i looked in the config.log, and it does this: gcc -o conftest -I$(top_srcdir)/include -D_U_="__attribute__((unused))" -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2 -I$(top_srcdir)/sys conftest.c -lc -lcrack -L$(top_srcdir)/libatalk |
| 02:24.01 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.22 | simonrvn | bah, i bet that got cut off... |
| 02:24.31 | Linuturk | simonrvn: pastebin |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: you wordy SoB |
| 02:24.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 02:24.56 | simonrvn | i try to give as much info as possible ;) |
| 02:25.22 | nsadmin | simonrvn: maybe the attr1 is 32b while the compiler is 64b? |
| 02:25.34 | simonrvn | no, this is a ppc32 box |
| 02:25.45 | simonrvn | it's all 32b userspace and kernel |
| 02:25.55 | nsadmin | sometimes libs won't be found for that reason; static vs dynamic is another |
| 02:26.28 | nsadmin | also, sometimes it's just plain there's no default path, so maybe you just have to tell it where the headers and libs are |
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| 02:27.04 | simonrvn | meh. i'll have to patch it since it doesn't provide that entry. |
| 02:27.30 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/29628 |
| 02:28.14 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/29629 |
| 02:28.48 | corinth | I just installed network-manager-gnome. nm-applet is set to start with the session, but it doesn't. Error is at http://debian.pastebin.com/m66584ea |
| 02:29.20 | nsadmin | sometimes a package such as libattr1-dev will include somethign like attr1-config which is built at install time and is hardwired to provide include and lib file locations, as well as other needed lib references |
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| 02:30.20 | simonrvn | it doesn't |
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| 02:30.45 | nsadmin | or maybe a file that pkg-config reads? |
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| 02:32.00 | simonrvn | didn't see any .pc or .m4 file in the package either |
| 02:32.17 | simonrvn | lemme fetch the source |
| 02:32.59 | nsadmin | failing that, try just telling it where the includes and libs are |
| 02:33.25 | nsadmin | in the configure step of the thign you're building against libattr1 |
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| 02:33.58 | Linuturk | dkr: echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}:${PWD}\007" |
| 02:34.00 | Linuturk | that works for me |
| 02:36.36 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i've looked all over, and the one function it's asking for i haven't seen in the attr source either, or headers, or anywhere. odd thing is that it seems that it would look for that, but like that last paste says, nada. |
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| 02:37.04 | Linuturk | dkr: now to get it to run every time I login and cd |
| 02:39.09 | simonrvn | either there's some lib called the same thing (why that'd be fucked up), or the configure script is wrong. |
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| 02:47.01 | swolchok | anyone know if inotify can be made to track sendfile? |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | sendmail? |
| 02:48.11 | swolchok | no, sendfile(2) |
| 02:48.24 | swolchok | it doesn't think that sendfile(2) is an ACCESS event |
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| 02:49.46 | simonrvn | bah. dumb thing. i'll just build without it. it's for FS extended attribs... *sigh* |
| 02:50.02 | simonrvn | try tracking on OPEN? |
| 02:50.19 | simonrvn | swolchok: ^^^ |
| 02:50.36 | simonrvn | or patch it ;) |
| 02:50.55 | swolchok | i tried tracking all events |
| 02:51.08 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 02:51.35 | swolchok | guess it's kernel-hacking time |
| 02:51.46 | swolchok | i should really not do my research the night before I am supposed to meet with my advisor *headdesk* |
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| 02:55.23 | jamesnvc | Hello, I'm running debian sid, and I seem to have broken my qt4...all apps using qt4 crash on startup |
| 02:55.42 | jamesnvc | How should I fix this? Purge all libqt4 stuff and reinstall? |
| 02:56.21 | jamesnvc | Or can I just reinstall? I imagine trying to remove qt4 will cause massive conflicts with kde |
| 02:56.37 | stew | jamesnvc: have you checked the bts? |
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| 02:59.20 | jamesnvc | stew: I've tried googling for debian qt4 problems, but haven't been able to find anything relevant... |
| 02:59.33 | jamesnvc | Is there a specific place I should look in the bts? |
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| 03:01.36 | CoffeeIV | Hi guys -- where might I download the first few install CDs of the etch release ? |
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| 03:02.47 | pl4yer0ne | your favourite mirror /pub/debian-cd/ |
| 03:03.00 | pl4yer0ne | or soemthing like that |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | CoffeeIV: why would you? |
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| 03:05.50 | gewt | is it possible to downgrade to grub1? |
| 03:06.20 | pl4yer0ne | yeah should be |
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| 03:06.40 | pl4yer0ne | just uninstall grub2 and install grub1 |
| 03:07.07 | pl4yer0ne | and make sure you have a bootdisk in case you cant boot |
| 03:08.10 | CoffeeIV | pl4yer0ne: The mirrors all seem to have the current version of the .iso's on them, 5.0, not the "old-stable" 4.0 etch |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | gewt: why would you? |
| 03:08.33 | gewt | i hate grub2. |
| 03:08.35 | pl4yer0ne | as abrotman asked why do you want old stable? |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | hate? |
| 03:08.38 | gewt | it's...different |
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| 03:08.46 | gewt | and i'm used to grub1 \o/ |
| 03:08.58 | gewt | grub2 is nice, but I like grub1 better |
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| 03:09.08 | abrotman | so .. no technical reason |
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| 03:09.23 | swolchok | don't you interact with your bootloader for about 20 seconds per day? |
| 03:09.27 | swolchok | your prerogative, just sayin ;) |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | if you boot once per day ... |
| 03:09.34 | pl4yer0ne | abrotman, I found grub2 to be overly complicated as well - havent tried it in ages though |
| 03:09.57 | abrotman | seems fine to me |
| 03:10.00 | Dougy | setenv PKG_PATH ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/`uname -m`/5.0/All |
| 03:10.01 | Dougy | er |
| 03:10.02 | Dougy | wrong chan |
| 03:10.08 | abrotman | Dougy: indeed! |
| 03:10.09 | pl4yer0ne | I might try it again then. |
| 03:10.46 | OldMonk | people interact with boot loaders? |
| 03:11.07 | OldMonk | if you need to do so on a regular basis then i'd say something is wrong |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | or you shut down your machine when you're not using it .. being energy conscious and all .. |
| 03:11.54 | pl4yer0ne | OldMonk, how about in a testing environment where you multi-boot several systems |
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| 03:12.08 | OldMonk | agreed, but even then you just let the boot loader do its work and boot, no interaction required |
| 03:12.19 | OldMonk | pl4yer0ne: ok, one scenario |
| 03:12.36 | CoffeeIV | pl4yer0ne and abrotman: I'm helping someone who has custom software installed on Etch servers, they messed up one of the servers and think they can repair, or at least re-install from scratch, if they have the CDs |
| 03:12.42 | pl4yer0ne | which in fact is the scenario that i care about =D |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | !cd archive |
| 03:12.54 | dpkg | A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:13.14 | gewt | !grub1 |
| 03:13.18 | pl4yer0ne | yeah CoffeeIV then just check the mirrors until you find one - I know there is one here in Aust. that has them |
| 03:13.35 | pl4yer0ne | or do what someone smarter than me says =D |
| 03:14.55 | CoffeeIV | Thanks abrotman and pl4yer0ne -- I knew there was something like that buried somewhere in the debian site :) |
| 03:15.13 | pl4yer0ne | well I didnt so learning all round |
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| 03:15.57 | uspll | How do I reclaim my nickname? I was disconnected and my nick is still active in the server. |
| 03:16.33 | OldMonk | uspll: /msg nickserv help or something |
| 03:16.35 | NotADJ | uspll: Are you registered? |
| 03:16.42 | uspll | NotADJ, yep. |
| 03:16.58 | NotADJ | uspll: /msg nickserv ghost nick pass (iirc) |
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| 03:17.27 | litwol|mac | hmm. i just suspended my 'screen' |
| 03:17.33 | litwol|mac | and not sure how to bring it back :( |
| 03:17.36 | tvon | screen -x |
| 03:17.37 | corinth | Thanks NotADJ ;-) |
| 03:17.40 | litwol|mac | ty |
| 03:17.43 | OldMonk | applauds corinth |
| 03:17.52 | tvon | np |
| 03:17.58 | NotADJ | No prob. |
| 03:17.59 | corinth | looks around for a cookie |
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| 03:18.54 | simonrvn | screen -r |
| 03:18.57 | corinth | Is there a way to get the Debian installer to install synaptic, network-manager-gnome, and other packages it would install when it has a network connection - only if I don't have a network connection when I install? |
| 03:19.14 | litwol|mac | litwol@mail:/var/www/drupal/6/sites/all/themes/zen$ screen -r |
| 03:19.14 | litwol|mac | There is no screen to be resumed. |
| 03:19.16 | litwol|mac | litwol@mail:/var/www/drupal/6/sites/all/themes/zen$ ps |
| 03:19.18 | litwol|mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.20 | pl4yer0ne | screen -R i prefer (restores screen or opens a new one if no running session is found) |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | corinth: like .. with a CD ? |
| 03:19.21 | litwol|mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.22 | litwol|mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.24 | litwol|mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.26 | litwol|mac | simonrvn: ^ |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | bah .. -Rd :) |
| 03:19.29 | simonrvn | ffs stop pasting |
| 03:20.11 | litwol|mac | abrotman: oo this looks like something i just read from man screen |
| 03:20.26 | abrotman | about flooding a channel? |
| 03:20.26 | corinth | abrotman, yes. When In install and have a network connection, it automatically installs synaptic, the software sources tool, network-manager-gnome, etc. When I don't have a connection when In install, it doesn't install any of them. |
| 03:20.29 | tvon | I always use "screen -x" |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | it doesn't automatically install anything |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | corinth: just use tasksel later |
| 03:20.58 | corinth | taskel? |
| 03:21.06 | corinth | This is my first Debian install. Lenny, I mean. |
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| 03:22.38 | tvon | course the big thing about -x is that it lets you join a session that is in use elsewhere |
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| 03:24.00 | litwol|mac | tvon: i am not sure if i am getting the desired result. i see screen process from the 'ps' command. but i am in my own terminal. i got it there using C-a C-z (suspend?). i want to re-attach that screen back so i can close it completely. |
| 03:24.14 | litwol|mac | tvon: i could have accomplished that using kill command but i am trying to learn the right method. |
| 03:24.48 | tvon | litwol|mac: oh, just type 'fg' |
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| 03:24.52 | Panarchy | test |
| 03:24.59 | OldMonk | did we pass? |
| 03:25.21 | tvon | what you did was to suspent it via the shell, not via any screen command... 'fg' brings background processes to the foreground |
| 03:25.33 | Panarchy | OldMonk: yes! |
| 03:25.49 | litwol|mac | tvon: oh! thank you. i cant find 'man fg' |
| 03:25.57 | Panarchy | Can someone please try logging into SourceForge.net? As I can't seem to login! |
| 03:26.02 | tvon | litwol|mac: its' a bash built-in command |
| 03:26.07 | OldMonk | litwol|mac: in bash: help fg |
| 03:26.12 | OldMonk | or man bash |
| 03:26.14 | litwol|mac | oho! |
| 03:26.17 | litwol|mac | cool stuff |
| 03:26.19 | litwol|mac | thanks guys |
| 03:26.22 | tvon | litwol|mac: google around for "bash process control" |
| 03:26.24 | tvon | np |
| 03:26.49 | OldMonk | ponders ranting about the completely fragmented linux/unix help/documentation system |
| 03:27.15 | keith4_ | aren't they trying to do something about that? like... tldp.org? |
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| 03:27.49 | OldMonk | keith4_: we still don't have one single comprehensive system for accessing all documentation about installed programs |
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| 03:28.08 | keith4_ | ah, you mean man vs. info vs. perldoc etc? |
| 03:28.20 | OldMonk | you have: man, help, info, /usr/share/doc, individual programs' help commands, perldoc, kde/gnome help system... |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:28.34 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:28.52 | OldMonk | now wouldn't it be nice if a single command gave you access to all of those? |
| 03:28.57 | keith4_ | meh |
| 03:29.02 | abrotman | OldMonk: it's call irssi ? |
| 03:29.06 | keith4_ | OldMonk: i think the single command is "google" |
| 03:29.25 | OldMonk | abrotman, keith4_: fail! |
| 03:29.53 | OldMonk | if the doc is there on your system you should be able to locate and access it easily and speedily |
| 03:29.54 | Panarchy | Can someone please try logging into SourceForge.net? As I can't seem to login! |
| 03:30.15 | keith4_ | Panarchy: wtf does that have to do with debian? |
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| 03:30.32 | Panarchy | I'm creating a project for Debian |
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| 03:30.45 | OldMonk | as for fg... try searching for "fg" on google sometime :) |
| 03:30.52 | keith4_ | Panarchy: works fine. i can log in |
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| 03:30.57 | Panarchy | oh |
| 03:31.00 | Panarchy | Arghhhh!!! |
| 03:31.07 | Panarchy | Hate it when it's a problem on my end :| |
| 03:31.10 | planet8 | Is it possible to export a directory as root using nfs, no matter who mounts it, it must be mounted as root? |
| 03:31.23 | keith4_ | OldMonk: how about that one command is "wikipedia" then? |
| 03:31.33 | Panarchy | SUDOERS |
| 03:31.44 | OldMonk | shirley you jest? |
| 03:31.44 | Panarchy | plantet8: Might be something you can do with the SUDOERS file with that |
| 03:31.52 | elik | OldMonk, or search for linux fg |
| 03:31.53 | Panarchy | Don't call me shirley! |
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| 03:32.28 | OldMonk | i can see my being booted to #d-o soon, so i'll stop now |
| 03:32.35 | keith4_ | planet8: not root-squashing root with NFS is.... risky |
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| 03:32.52 | planet8 | keith4, I know.. its for private use onlu |
| 03:33.01 | abrotman | Panarchy: or he could configure nfs correctly |
| 03:33.22 | Panarchy | Or that |
| 03:33.23 | Panarchy | lol |
| 03:33.26 | keith4_ | !nfs |
| 03:33.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 03:33.38 | keith4_ | ha, nice |
| 03:33.39 | Panarchy | !nzfs |
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| 03:34.04 | Panarchy | Aw, thought there might be a ZFS based one |
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| 03:34.16 | keith4_ | !zfs |
| 03:34.16 | dpkg | well, zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 03:35.01 | elik | keith4, never found a debian zfs package |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 03:35.16 | elik | abrotman, any reason for that? |
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| 03:35.25 | abrotman | you can get it from FUSE |
| 03:36.29 | pickcoder | is there a vfs daemon that can be used directly by an application from a read/write/modification point of view |
| 03:37.24 | pickcoder | I suppose fuse may be possible |
| 03:38.13 | elik | abrotman, hum, I'm not saying it's impossible to install, but wouldn't a package make it more accessible? |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | elik: so make one |
| 03:38.32 | Mousey | gvfs? |
| 03:38.48 | elik | abrotman, if a driver is in FUSE, can the system be installed on that? |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | elik: some of them .. not sure about zfs .. i'm sure the links above have documentation |
| 03:39.30 | elik | abrotman, no one had time to make one yet sounds like a reasonable anwser :) |
| 03:39.38 | abrotman | so go do it .. |
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| 03:39.59 | OldMonk | ouch, i just found out something i wrote ages ago is still packaged in debian! |
| 03:40.23 | elik | that justifies your nick |
| 03:40.39 | OldMonk | ;) |
| 03:40.44 | swolchok | "and people USE this crap?!" |
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| 03:40.56 | OldMonk | swolchok: precisely! |
| 03:41.08 | designs703 | hi everyone. how can I get a status report for my system's ports in terminal? |
| 03:41.15 | swolchok | OldMonk: popcon it! |
| 03:41.19 | abrotman | designs703: netstat -plunt |
| 03:41.23 | OldMonk | swolchok: er, what's that? |
| 03:41.36 | swolchok | popularity-contest? |
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| 03:41.54 | OldMonk | like actually start using the software so it rises in popularity? |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | !tell OldMonk about popcon |
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| 03:42.22 | OldMonk | but... but... it's a sucky software, i wouldn't use it if my life depended on it! |
| 03:42.23 | gmap | I run xstartx -x .xsession and get this error http://i43.tinypic.com/2vba5g2.png any advice please? |
| 03:43.48 | OldMonk | i don't even know what xstartx is |
| 03:44.11 | abrotman | gmap: it tells you .. xterm isn't vallid .. what's in .xsession ? |
| 03:44.32 | gmap | iceweasel & |
| 03:44.41 | designs703 | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:44.50 | swolchok | OldMonk: I don't either |
| 03:45.00 | swolchok | maybe it's startx(1) with more x |
| 03:45.47 | gmap | what do u mean |
| 03:46.01 | abrotman | gmap: are you seriously still doing this? |
| 03:46.01 | OldMonk | gmap: are you running startx or xstartx? |
| 03:46.24 | gmap | oops typo |
| 03:46.24 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+kiosk+howto&btnG=Search |
| 03:46.32 | gmap | I run startx -x .xsession and get this error http://i43.tinypic.com/2vba5g2.png any advice please? |
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| 03:47.03 | OldMonk | startx doesn't seem to have any -x option |
| 03:47.18 | gmap | abrotman im getting there, i did get init.d scripts to work, but now my startx is acting up |
| 03:47.38 | gmap | its weird cause it use to work a few days ago. but now im getting this weird error |
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| 03:50.14 | OldMonk | gmap: startx executes ~/.xsession automatically, don't need to give it on the command line (you can't anyway) |
| 03:50.44 | OldMonk | or maybe ~/.xinitrc -- X startup files are a twisty maze of little passages, all similar |
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| 03:51.28 | Caelum | does make-kpkg do a make clean? |
| 03:52.42 | gmap | yea thx oldmonk, i know the setup, but my startx is messed up |
| 03:53.05 | gmap | doest even look at my .xsession file any more |
| 03:53.15 | corinth | Anyone know of an add/remove software tool like Ubuntu has for Debian? |
| 03:53.39 | OldMonk | hmm, what does thx, a sound system have to do with this? |
| 03:53.40 | Younix | uh |
| 03:53.42 | s0crates | corinth: apt-get? |
| 03:53.44 | Younix | corinth: aptitude? |
| 03:53.46 | Younix | apt-get? |
| 03:53.59 | OldMonk | gmap: try .xinitrc |
| 03:54.01 | s0crates | corinth: apt-get remove pkgname |
| 03:54.03 | Younix | corinth: corinth, mississippi? |
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| 03:55.43 | corinth | Sorry all, I meant a graphical package manager, similar to the add/remove tool Ubuntu has. Not synaptic. |
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| 03:56.09 | OldMonk | corinth: kde definitely has a gui package management tool. presumably gnome does too |
| 03:56.30 | Younix | corinth: nevermind |
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| 04:00.46 | pickcoder | corinth: I think your choices are gnome-apt and synaptic |
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| 04:00.55 | OldMonk | ...kpackage... |
| 04:01.40 | pickcoder | interesting that it didn't come up in a search |
| 04:01.40 | abrotman | adept ? |
| 04:01.41 | pickcoder | for package amanger |
| 04:01.43 | pickcoder | manageer |
| 04:01.46 | pickcoder | meh |
| 04:01.50 | abrotman | manager! |
| 04:02.02 | pickcoder | package mangler |
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| 04:04.05 | zhangweiwu | Hello. anyone knows a bit about MS Exchange? I am trying to migrate users away from MS Exchange but want to know how can I tell if they installed IMAP services? (I don't know how to find out which IP address is the ms exchange server or imap server) |
| 04:04.22 | zhangweiwu | If they have IMAP it's easier to migrate them to Linux. |
| 04:04.25 | pickcoder | port scan? |
| 04:04.43 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: scan which server? should I find mx record of the email domain and scan that server? |
| 04:04.44 | abrotman | that logic is kind of faulty |
| 04:04.48 | pickcoder | the subnet |
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| 04:05.11 | pickcoder | I'm assuming you are on the LAN side |
| 04:05.29 | pickcoder | because no sensible person would put MSE on the 'net |
| 04:06.01 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: I am sure they put it on the 'net because there is no server in LAN. |
| 04:06.14 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:06.15 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: the customer is using their HQ's services. |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: good luck! |
| 04:06.29 | OldMonk | zhangweiwu: look in the client configuration, that will have the hostname/ip |
| 04:06.31 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: "customer" because I am doing Linux business |
| 04:06.42 | abrotman | wonders what this has to do with Debian |
| 04:07.01 | zhangweiwu | OldMonk: Strange, the client (MS Outlook) shows this as hostname: username/email_domainname |
| 04:07.08 | OldMonk | abrotman: i once pinged an exchange server from a linux box... |
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| 04:07.15 | abrotman | debian .. not linux |
| 04:07.28 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: only hasitate to ask Microsoft groups because would they answer if I mean to migrate user away from MSE? |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | zhangweiwu: what does this have to do with debian ? |
| 04:07.58 | pickcoder | OldMonk: was it exciting? |
| 04:08.16 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: I don't know how to ask it in MS Windows group. "Hi, can you provide some hints that I can migrate your user away to Linux? What should I care?" |
| 04:08.32 | abrotman | zhangweiwu: so you come to a channel that has nothing to do with windows? |
| 04:08.38 | litwol|mac | hey guys. one more tip from you if i may :-D. i cant figure out how to split 'screen' vertically. does anyone know ? |
| 04:08.47 | litwol|mac | google makes me think it is rather new feature |
| 04:09.14 | zhangweiwu | abrotman: yes, because I am using debian and I think there might be other debian user who like to help on migrating user to debian etc. |
| 04:09.27 | pickcoder | zhangweiwu: they are probably not using smtp/imap then |
| 04:09.42 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: that's what I am wondering, because if they are not, it sounds more complicated. |
| 04:09.43 | pickcoder | ask the mail admin how Exchange is setup |
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| 04:10.06 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: "no, don't even think using Linux on my turf" said the admin. |
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| 04:10.20 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: "I spent hard effor to get my job." .. |
| 04:10.25 | abrotman | this sounds like a great plan |
| 04:10.58 | pickcoder | so go over his head and demonstrate the cost savings |
| 04:11.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: ever have the feeling the software is free on both sides of the equation? |
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| 04:11.23 | zhangweiwu | telnet the-machine-of-mx-record-of-mail-domain imap: connection timed out. Maybe I need to think convince their admin install IMAP component of MSE. |
| 04:11.28 | pickcoder | everything is free |
| 04:12.01 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: no the admin doesn't care about cost. the managers does. But a smooth migration sounds less dangerous (not replacing MSE in the 1st step) |
| 04:12.12 | pickcoder | zhangweiwu: regardless this isn't a Debian topic |
| 04:12.24 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: if you say so. Okay. |
| 04:12.46 | pickcoder | if you're trying to migrate to Postfix then you may have more luck in #postfix |
| 04:12.49 | pickcoder | #exim, etc |
| 04:13.51 | pickcoder | zhangweiwu: if they are using LDAP for ActiveDirectory then there's no issue migration to IMAP/SMPT |
| 04:13.53 | pickcoder | SMTP |
| 04:13.57 | pickcoder | s/for/or |
| 04:14.09 | pickcoder | depending on which MTA you choose |
| 04:14.17 | zhangweiwu | pickcoder: sure they use LDAP. I can see that. |
| 04:14.41 | litwol|mac | vertical split for screen anyone ? |
| 04:16.35 | OldMonk | if you want MAPI, OTOH, you're fscked |
| 04:16.49 | OldMonk | no FOSS implementations of MAPI last time i checked |
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| 04:19.30 | keith4_ | netscape 4 had MAPI support, no"? |
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| 04:19.54 | OldMonk | keith4_: client or server side? |
| 04:20.14 | OldMonk | client may be available, but all the server-side implementations i've seen are closed-source |
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| 04:20.32 | keith4_ | oh, definitely client |
| 04:21.18 | OldMonk | later |
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| 04:30.43 | heffay | i cant seem to mount my samba share. could somone help me troubleshoot my smb.conf? |
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| 04:30.50 | intx | anyone here use xtables? |
| 04:30.56 | intx | *xtable addons? |
| 04:30.58 | heffay | i made the dir. browseable and added the user |
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| 04:39.17 | fouad | I installed a more recent version of a package and now apt-get/aptitude is complaining about broken dependencies specific to that packages ... but everything is working just fine. How can I make aptitude/apt-get ignore this error ? |
| 04:39.33 | keith4_ | !force |
| 04:39.33 | dpkg | from memory, force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
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| 04:39.43 | keith4_ | !--force |
| 04:39.49 | keith4_ | slaps dpkg |
| 04:40.05 | heffay | could someone help me troubleshoot my smb.conf? |
| 04:40.06 | keith4_ | heffay: #samba? |
| 04:40.08 | fouad | I had the package installed .. |
| 04:40.12 | heffay | yes |
| 04:40.18 | heffay | everything looks straight to me |
| 04:40.47 | fouad | I dont want to add the force option when I'm doing an apt-get for another package |
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| 04:42.46 | heffay | oh |
| 04:42.49 | heffay | i get it |
| 04:42.55 | heffay | i should GO to #samba |
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| 04:48.15 | redheat | hi everyone |
| 04:48.38 | redheat | I just got lenny installed on my systems and boy it looks great, finally I installed the grand daddy.. |
| 04:49.41 | redheat | just got a simple queestion, during the installation the setup couldn't detect my wireless usb card which is a belkin usb card that uses ralink rt73, anyhow, afte the installation was over, I head to lenny |
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| 04:50.38 | redheat | and there's no wireless devices or adapter present, can anyone help me with that..? |
| 04:50.45 | redheat | is there anyone here? |
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| 04:52.16 | gaintsura | is slightly irritated at the lack of resume install support from network install =| |
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| 04:55.45 | designs703 | I can't find the package for mod_rewrite. Do you know where it is? I've searched apt-cache and the package site many times... |
| 04:56.25 | designs703 | oh, I have it installed, just not loaded |
| 04:56.28 | designs703 | sorry |
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| 04:58.00 | rgr | something went a bit strange with a synaptic update and now I am getting "libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus" when using notify-send. Any ideas? |
| 04:58.34 | pl4yer0ne | rgr, define "a bit strange" |
| 04:59.09 | rgr | "not normal" - it started to uninstall things. I let it finish then reinstalled gnome desktop. |
| 04:59.23 | rgr | so smoething has screwed dbus over by the look of it. |
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| 05:00.08 | homecable | do people use testing as server use? |
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| 05:00.28 | pl4yer0ne | homecable, not normally no |
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| 05:01.26 | homecable | does lenny have deflt suport for 4 gigs of ram ? |
| 05:01.36 | dondelelcaro | homecable: yes |
| 05:01.42 | homecable | 64bit |
| 05:02.35 | toor_ | i've got a dvd i'm trying to copy and i think i'm running into a copy protcection issue. what is the recommended app to copy such dvd's? |
| 05:03.37 | pl4yer0ne | rgr, are you using unstable? |
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| 05:03.47 | rgr | no. Lenny |
| 05:04.11 | rgr | installing gnome-do seemed to screw up dependencies. Well, that was the last thin I asked for. |
| 05:04.26 | rgr | notify-send works from command line but not from emacs. |
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| 05:06.11 | craigevil | toor_: try using k9copy |
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| 05:06.40 | toor_ | craigevil: allroghty. i'll give it a whirl....... |
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| 05:07.40 | toor_ | craigevil: what repo is that in? |
| 05:07.43 | KC | so... how is scanner functionality in linux? |
| 05:08.04 | craigevil | toor_: debian-multimedia.org has it |
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| 05:08.24 | toor_ | craigevil: cool |
| 05:08.29 | rgr | a reinstall of anthing with dbus in the name fixed it. Phew! |
| 05:09.07 | Gryfelhase | can someone give me a hint, how to change domainname after installation of debian ? |
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| 05:09.10 | KC | hosts file i think.. or hosts command |
| 05:09.21 | rgr | theres more to do than that I think. |
| 05:09.31 | rgr | or was last time I tried. |
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| 05:10.19 | craigevil | hostname :) |
| 05:12.31 | Gryfelhase | hmhmhm..... ok.... I'll try |
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| 05:20.03 | toor_ | craigevil: ooo, k9copy launches and then quickly crashes as soon as the disc is inserted. |
| 05:21.25 | Caelum | how do I change the window manager in gnome? |
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| 05:22.13 | corinth | Caelum, [window-manager] --replace ? |
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| 05:22.21 | Caelum | corinth: permanently? |
| 05:22.31 | corinth | What are you replacing it with? |
| 05:22.36 | Caelum | sawfish |
| 05:22.48 | corinth | Try adding it to your session manager. |
| 05:23.01 | Caelum | I want gnome-session to start sawfish instead of metacity |
| 05:23.21 | corinth | Try that, then. Add sawfish --replace to your session manager |
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| 05:32.03 | basanta | I am using etch r6 what repo do I use ? |
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| 05:34.45 | varlon | hi, I want rebuild my x window by apt-build, but I don't want to build world. how I can do that? |
| 05:35.22 | varlon | * how can I do that? |
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| 05:45.59 | wahyu | my mouse pointer looks like this http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2.png, anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 05:49.15 | keith4_ | wahyu: the giant green arrow? |
| 05:49.22 | keith4_ | neat! |
| 05:49.24 | dmoerner | wahyu, what if you do xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr |
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| 05:50.58 | Caelum | anyone running gnome in sid? |
| 05:51.33 | Caelum | gnome-settings-daemon seems to be borked |
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| 05:54.00 | wahyu | not the green one :), the square ugly black and white, xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr not fix it |
| 05:55.14 | keith4_ | Caelum: you know that sid = "unstable", right? |
| 05:55.22 | Caelum | keith4_: no shit |
| 05:55.44 | keith4_ | so then you shouldn't be asking why stuff is "borked" |
| 05:55.47 | Gm4n | what flags are there for inside a shell script if statement? (eg: -f /path/to/file). I want to check the output of a grep command and switched based on match or not |
| 05:56.19 | wahyu | keith4_: I'm using macbook 1.1, debian lenny |
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| 05:56.36 | keith4_ | "macbook 1.1"? |
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| 05:56.56 | Gm4n | that's the version, since every single macbook is called a macbook :P |
| 05:57.05 | Gm4n | although I think it's technically 1,1 |
| 05:57.05 | basanta | I installed from etch 4.0r6 how do I upgrade to lenny |
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| 05:57.26 | keith4_ | !etch->lenny |
| 05:57.49 | jaalto | What utility can display loads in multiple hosts? something like xload, but for many hosts |
| 05:57.51 | keith4_ | basanta: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 05:58.08 | basanta | keith4, thanks |
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| 05:59.53 | wahyu | keith4_: dmidecode -s system-product-name, result MacBook1,1 |
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| 06:02.14 | Gm4n | how can I do a pattern match in a shell script, and run an if depending on the result? |
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| 06:02.54 | jaalto | Gm4n: for item in *.txt; do ... done |
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| 06:03.28 | jaalto | Gm4n: case "$var"; *pattern*) .... ;; esac |
| 06:03.37 | Gm4n | aha, thanks =) |
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| 06:04.35 | Gm4n | and is there an easy way to check if something is numeric? (ie, ip address) |
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| 06:05.41 | jaalto | Gm4n: Not with shell patterns. But if you need only approximation: [0-9]*[0-9] |
| 06:05.58 | Gm4n | ooh, shell can do character classes? :) |
| 06:06.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.34 | jaalto | enouf: [shorter] /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/ {sub("addr:",""); print $2}' |
| 06:08.20 | jaalto | Gm4n: Remember, they are patters, not regexps |
| 06:08.45 | Gm4n | meaning that there's less power, basically? |
| 06:09.01 | bananafreak | Why is the xorg so diffrent these days |
| 06:09.04 | jaalto | enouf: [and a little faster with 'quit'] /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/ {sub("addr:",""); print $2; exit}' |
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| 06:10.14 | jaalto | Gm4n: A little is understatement. Google for "shell patterns" or see bash(1) section "Pattern Matching" |
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| 06:10.24 | Gm4n | thanks, jaalto =) |
| 06:10.27 | bananafreak | i dont know how to install nvidia drivers anymore cous of the xorg.conf |
| 06:10.39 | dmoerner | i am an idiot...i just did !rm thinking my last command was rmadison, when it was really rm -rf *. good thing i was in a temp dir anyway |
| 06:11.10 | bananafreak | haha |
| 06:11.24 | jaalto | bananafreak: nvidia-xconfig? |
| 06:11.31 | bananafreak | yes |
| 06:11.50 | bananafreak | isnt it stable yet for lenny |
| 06:12.28 | bananafreak | there is no vesa etc |
| 06:12.56 | jaalto | bananafreak: I'm running geforce 7600GS under testing |
| 06:13.11 | bananafreak | im running under 8800 gt |
| 06:13.24 | jaalto | so it should work |
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| 06:13.48 | bananafreak | its weird xorg.conf anyway |
| 06:13.48 | jaalto | did you do module-install? |
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| 06:14.12 | bananafreak | i havent tried yet cous of the xorg.conf dosent sems right to me |
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| 06:15.43 | jaalto | bananafreak: Check Module section: http://sial.org/pbot/35323 |
| 06:15.56 | bananafreak | i feel it running fast, smooth, but in vlc is kinda laggy |
| 06:16.41 | jaalto | bananafreak: here is my "nvidia" section http://sial.org/pbot/35324 |
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| 06:17.18 | bananafreak | that dosent seems like any of them like my one :/ |
| 06:17.37 | swolchok | is it easy to get my 64-bit debian lenny machine to compile a debian kernel package for my 32-bit debian lenny VM? |
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| 06:18.02 | bananafreak | installed debian 5 over the net could it be that with xorg or something |
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| 06:19.20 | bananafreak | i do not feel any lagg execpt in vlc jaalto |
| 06:20.01 | jaalto | bananafreak: ok, 8800 must be very different |
| 06:20.35 | bananafreak | i checked the debian nvidia-xorg list and the 8800 wasnt in there :/ |
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| 06:21.18 | bananafreak | on that debian.org site with list |
| 06:21.45 | bananafreak | if u know what i mean jaalto |
| 06:23.08 | bananafreak | jaalto any chanses that http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers this could work |
| 06:23.16 | corinth | Roughly how long should it take to compile the kernel on a modern system? |
| 06:23.51 | jaalto | corinth: 30-60 |
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| 06:24.13 | corinth | jaalto, Thanks. :-) |
| 06:24.14 | jaalto | corinth: real fast: under 30 |
| 06:24.21 | bananafreak | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx :( 8800 gt isnt there |
| 06:24.43 | bananafreak | kinda weird |
| 06:25.12 | basanta | during my upgradation I get Score is -1016 what is this shall I continue? |
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| 06:26.12 | Neverb | how utility, forces libreadline for input (eg. for shell) is named? |
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| 06:26.49 | bananafreak | i got an 6600gs, if i put it in do i need format deb again |
| 06:26.52 | Neverb | i remember something like `readline shell`, but i cant find binary with such name in packages ( |
| 06:27.52 | basanta | what does this score mean |
| 06:27.55 | basanta | ? |
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| 06:51.44 | swolchok | basanta: pretty sure it's a rudimentary AI thing -- aptitude seems to construct multiple plans and rank them by score when it has to remove packages |
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| 06:52.33 | swolchok | if i'm right, you can think of the negative score as it feeling guilty about probably not doing what you want. if the proposed solution does what you want, go ahead -- look at what packages it wants to install or remove |
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| 06:54.12 | basanta | swolchok, I used to continue when i used to get lower score but this one is pretty big number -1016, so I am a bit reluctant |
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| 06:55.50 | NyC_giRl | hi to all i have 2 questions .... i have windows vista in my laptop then installed windows xp on it and after that debian ... now grub shows under other partition windows vista/longhorn but boot xp .. is there a way for me to add my vista partition there and also my debian package is without any GUI interface ... how can i fix this 2 issues? |
| 06:57.35 | swolchok | NyC_giRl: do you know whether you want GNOME or KDE for the GUI? |
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| 06:58.47 | Witepa | I'm trying to write a command to replace an IP address in a file. I got sed to recognize what to replace, but I don't know how to tell it what to replace it with. The new IP address is defined in another stream/text file, how would I get sed to replace the old IP with the new IP using the substitute command? |
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| 06:59.37 | NyC_giRl | swolchok: i rother use gnome but can live with kde to |
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| 07:00.02 | swolchok | to add the gui do "aptitude install gnome" as root |
| 07:00.09 | swolchok | not sure why it didn't get installed as the first part |
| 07:00.15 | liable | plus xorg |
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| 07:00.36 | oh_noes | I need to install PackageX, inside "deb http://local/repo nightly" -- however this entry isnt in my sources.list .... is it possible to pass the repository mirror and component to apt-get? |
| 07:01.16 | liable | no |
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| 07:01.17 | NyC_giRl | what abt the grub problem ? |
| 07:02.25 | swolchok | you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst but be sure you back it up first and don't change any of the entries to do with debian and make sure you have the install CD handy so you can fix it if you screw up (your system won't boot, so you boot from CD, mount your linux partition, and restore the backup of menu.lst) |
| 07:02.29 | liable | what do you want to do with grub, just add vista to it? |
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| 07:04.21 | NyC_giRl | liable: yes i had vista .. then i added another hdd to the laptop and installed xp in one partition and debian in the other one but after installing xp the mbr got wrote just for xp so when grub got the info from windows mbr recognised only xp i ant to add vist to it to |
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| 07:05.47 | liable | NyC_giRl: copy the entry for xp, but change the hd number to the vista one. |
| 07:05.56 | liable | or just boot it from bios |
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| 07:13.07 | maxagaz | how to get the list of groups of my lvm partitions ? |
| 07:13.30 | omar | maxagaz, lv |
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| 07:14.43 | maxagaz | omar, command not found |
| 07:15.01 | omar | try lv <tab> |
| 07:15.12 | omar | command shud start with lv |
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| 07:18.06 | omar | maxagaz, lvdisplay |
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| 07:18.31 | maxagaz | omar, thanks |
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| 07:31.34 | simnana | yes |
| 07:31.40 | simnana | tell me |
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| 07:33.36 | valdyn | maxagaz: groups or logical volus, vgs or lvs |
| 07:33.41 | valdyn | maxagaz: groups or logical volumess, vgs or lvs |
| 07:33.55 | valdyn | omg this keyboard.. |
| 07:35.56 | maxagaz | valdyn, thanks |
| 07:36.09 | maxagaz | how to check free space on a hard drive |
| 07:36.10 | maxagaz | ? |
| 07:37.56 | liable | df -h |
| 07:39.29 | maxagaz | liable, it gives the free space on partitions but not on the hard drive |
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| 07:41.02 | liable | i'm not sure i understand, you mean unaccounted free space? |
| 07:41.13 | maxagaz | liable, yes |
| 07:41.26 | maxagaz | i need to resize a lvm partition |
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| 07:42.13 | liable | i dont know anything about lvm |
| 07:42.35 | maxagaz | but it's not about lvm |
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| 07:45.12 | liable | fdisk -l should show it i suppose |
| 07:45.22 | xoz | cfdisk |
| 07:45.36 | madsdyd | Hi there. Running exim4 under kubuntu 8.04/debian - want to change the defailt message_size_limit, but is utterly confused as to where to put the MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT=500M that I want in there.... |
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| 07:45.49 | xoz | cfdisk /dev/<drive> or parted |
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| 07:49.15 | valdyn | madsdyd: that macro is used in the template and you can set it in exim4.conf.localmacros |
| 07:49.41 | madsdyd | valdyn: Thanks. And, setting it there, will "keep it" even past exim updates (by dpkg/apt)? |
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| 07:49.58 | valdyn | madsdyd: yea, thats the point of .localmacros |
| 07:50.14 | madsdyd | valdyn: Thanks: sorry for beeing dense. |
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| 07:50.53 | madsdyd | does not have a localmacros though - but he reckons it must be ref'ed someplace |
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| 07:51.09 | valdyn | madsdyd: just create it |
| 07:51.24 | madsdyd | valdyn: in /etc/exim4? Or a subdir? |
| 07:51.30 | valdyn | madsdyd: and i didnt find a better way to verify its used than putting invalid stuff in it |
| 07:51.37 | madsdyd | valdyn: nice :-) |
| 07:51.41 | valdyn | madsdyd: yes |
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| 07:54.49 | madsdyd | valdyn: do you have an example of invalid stuff? Because I just put "HEST" in it, did update-exim4.conf and restarted exim4, and it did not really complain... |
| 07:57.11 | madsdyd | valdyn: would appear I should not use splitconfiguration then? |
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| 07:59.27 | valdyn | madsdyd: updade-exim4.conf has nothing to do with locamacros |
| 07:59.42 | madsdyd | valdyn: I think I got it sorted. |
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| 07:59.59 | madsdyd | If I put it into conf.d/main/00_sorted, it will put it into the autogenerated file |
| 08:00.11 | valdyn | madsdyd: but thats ugly |
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| 08:00.41 | madsdyd | well, thats how kubuntu/debian appears to setup exim by default? (I don't really care, just want it to work :-) |
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| 08:01.23 | valdyn | madsdyd: youre probably right it will only work with .localmacros if you use single config file |
| 08:01.34 | madsdyd | yes, I think so. |
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| 08:01.56 | valdyn | madsdyd: still better to create a new file than editing debian files |
| 08:02.00 | valdyn | madsdyd: but whatever works.. |
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| 08:03.01 | madsdyd | valdyn: I meant, instead of creating /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros, I put the new file in /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/00_exim4-conf.localmacros |
| 08:03.14 | valdyn | madsdyd: oh, neat |
| 08:03.15 | madsdyd | So, I did *not* edit an existing file |
| 08:03.19 | madsdyd | :-) |
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| 08:04.08 | madsdyd | Now, I just need to figure out how to test it :-) |
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| 08:07.52 | lxsameer | should i use only trivial repository for compiling debian installer? |
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| 08:08.40 | petemc | madsdyd: exim4 -bP message_size_limit |
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| 08:13.26 | corinth | I'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.28.7 . I have an error at the end of building the kernel. http://pastebin.com/m71ce4246 |
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| 08:15.20 | madsdyd | petemc: Thanks a bunch |
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| 08:16.36 | valdyn | corinth: aptitude install zlib1g-dev |
| 08:16.38 | Dolunay | a |
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| 08:17.52 | corinth | Thanks valdyn. I'll see if that helps |
| 08:19.09 | Crypticfortune | Lets say I already have gdm running on vt7 (do you stil call that a vt? anyway, alt-F7 so to speak), but i also want a second gdm on vt8. how should i go about doing that? |
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| 08:23.29 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: run gdmflexiserver |
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| 08:28.11 | madsdyd | valdyn, petemc: Thanks for helping, wrote a short note on http://madsdyd.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/exim4-and-max-size-of-received-messages-in-kubuntudebian/ to help future googlers to get past this minor problem. |
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| 08:32.28 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: wow. that is just about the most awesome thing evar. |
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| 08:33.14 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 08:34.15 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to get dpkg to scan the filesystem for missing package files? so if i'm missing /usr/bin/konversation and i have the konversation package which provides that package installed then it'll say if its missing |
| 08:35.10 | valdyn | Ace2017_-: use debsums |
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| 08:36.10 | Caelum | blah, ndiswrapper-source doesn't work with 2.6.28 |
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| 08:36.54 | Ace2017_- | :( my music collection is gnome |
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| 08:37.52 | Ace2017_- | false alarm, its fine |
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| 08:43.28 | lxsameer | where does apt put the source that i get with apt-get source? |
| 08:43.41 | valdyn | lxsameer: $PWD |
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| 08:43.52 | Mousey | in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:44.01 | Mousey | oh |
| 08:44.02 | Mousey | source |
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| 08:50.32 | NyC_giRl | sorry to bother you guys again but on my grub menu.lst i have windows vista/longhorn (loader) pointing to (hd0,0) but boots windows XP how can i set it up to boot xp separately and vista separately |
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| 08:52.30 | negge | which package contains the LAME encoder? |
| 08:52.39 | negge | I can't seem to find it anywhere |
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| 08:53.29 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 08:53.29 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze> |
| 08:53.32 | valdyn | negge: ^^ |
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| 08:54.56 | negge | !dmm lenny |
| 08:54.56 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 08:55.16 | negge | valdyn: thanks valdyn, I thought it was in the "normal" repos... |
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| 08:59.23 | corinth | Is there a metapackage to install all the proprietary multimedia codecs in the dmm repo? |
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| 09:01.23 | bananafreak | http://pastebin.com/m1b8c389d gaah this xorg.conf is weiird |
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| 09:03.03 | bananafreak | Should be with vesa etc |
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| 09:06.01 | valdyn | corinth: w32codecs |
| 09:06.11 | corinth | Thanks valdyn. |
| 09:06.12 | valdyn | corinth: but you shouldnt really need those ( i dont ever ) |
| 09:06.46 | corinth | I have a few wmv and wma files. |
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| 09:07.11 | valdyn | corinth: those play like any other file, and may or may not need w32codecs like any other file |
| 09:07.38 | corinth | I've always needed w32codecs to play wma files. |
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| 09:29.25 | corinth | After compiling the latest kernel, my wireless "works". I can see my wireless networks, but can't connect. I suspect that, for some reason, my wireless card isn't using the ath5k driver as it should be. How can I figure this problem out? |
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| 09:31.45 | AcTiVaTe | corinthж Any encryption used on the wireless? |
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| 09:33.16 | StarkD | how do I purge an manually installed package? |
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| 09:34.04 | carl_ | whats the difference between a contrib package and a non-free package? |
| 09:34.15 | AnyFile | Hi all. Before my upgrade from etch to lenny I have an applet in the top bar of gnome that tell me when an update of a debian pakcage was available. There is no more this (his palce was replaced with an icon for manage wireless connection). How can I install it back? I can not find it among the gnome panel application. |
| 09:34.57 | icebrain | carl_: contrib is a free package which depends on non-free software, AFAIk |
| 09:35.25 | carl_ | icebrain: thx |
| 09:35.41 | icebrain | !tell carl_ about contrib |
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| 09:38.13 | AnyFile | What does a stutus rc mean as outup of dpkg -l ? |
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| 09:39.00 | ranju_ | hi |
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| 09:41.52 | corinth | nm-applet scans and finds my wireless network correctly, but I can't connect to my network. It correctly askes for my WEP key, and after entering it, it hangs on "Waiting for Network Key for the wireless nework [my network]" |
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| 09:44.00 | AnyFile | thanls Crypticfortune |
| 09:44.52 | corinth | nm-applet scans and finds my wireless network correctly, but I can't connect to my network. It correctly askes for my WEP key, and after entering it, it hangs on "Waiting for Network Key for the wireless nework [my network]" . Debian Lenny, using kernel 2.6.28.7 |
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| 09:52.52 | piper69 | Howdy |
| 09:53.21 | valdyn | corinth: ps aux | grep dhclient |
| 09:54.22 | elenril | where should i put local systemwide bibtex styles? |
| 09:54.30 | piper69 | i followed the etch ->lenny upgrade and now i can't get gnome to start right! my keyboard is typing some weird stuff ! please help |
| 09:56.30 | valdyn | elenril: /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/bibtex i guess |
| 09:56.44 | valdyn | elenril: err /kotex/euc/unfonts/extra-hlfont.sty |
| 09:56.50 | valdyn | gah |
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| 09:57.20 | valdyn | elenril: /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/bibtex |
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| 09:58.24 | elenril | valdyn: do i need to run some update command after that? |
| 09:58.31 | valdyn | elenril: texhash |
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| 09:58.58 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 09:59.06 | valdyn | elenril: texhash: Updating /usr/local/share/texmf/ls-R... |
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| 09:59.21 | AlexC_ | I'm wondering how I can load additional kernel modules upon boot up, as if I had done 'modprobe' straight away. Is this possible? |
| 09:59.37 | valdyn | AlexC_: why would you do that? |
| 10:00.17 | elenril | valdyn: thanks, it works now |
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| 10:01.11 | AlexC_ | valdyn, why wouldn't I? |
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| 10:01.40 | valdyn | AlexC_: because half the time people ask this question it is because something else is fucked up |
| 10:02.02 | AlexC_ | valdyn, well in this case, I need to load the additional IPMI modules |
| 10:02.24 | valdyn | AlexC_: ok, i dont even know what that is, add to /etc/modules |
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| 10:02.30 | AlexC_ | valdyn, danke =) |
| 10:02.52 | AlexC_ | above or below 'loop', or does that not matter? |
| 10:03.00 | valdyn | AlexC_: it doesnt |
| 10:03.09 | AlexC_ | cool, thanks |
| 10:03.12 | valdyn | AlexC_: loop is just the loopback device driver |
| 10:03.22 | AlexC_ | ahh ok, |
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| 10:04.47 | ranju_ | hi |
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| 10:07.26 | piper69 | i followed the etch ->lenny upgrade and now i can't get gnome to start right! my keyboard is typing some weird stuff ! please help |
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| 10:07.49 | CosmicB | I want vim with syntax highlightning without installing X, anybody got any hints on that ? seem to me I gotta install the whole xorg package just to get syntax highlightning in vimm |
| 10:08.16 | tbf | about packaging a library: is it valid to omit dependencies of some sub package, e.g. "libfoo-dev" in the build dependency list of the source package? |
| 10:08.27 | valdyn | CosmicB: vim-full depends on X, you dont need that |
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| 10:09.15 | valdyn | CosmicB: vim and vim-scripts, should add anything X related |
| 10:09.24 | valdyn | CosmicB: vim and vim-scripts, should *not* add anything X related |
| 10:10.02 | CosmicB | valdyn: hmm, but I can't find the right package enabling syntax highligtning ... vim keep telling me it doesn't support ':syn on' |
| 10:10.10 | ranju_ | hi i have upgraded my debian etch to lenny but now the desktop is like this can you pls help me out..http://picasaweb.google.com/ranjithkannikara/BloggerPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCPShgYKiw9LKEg#5308900959676400994 |
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| 10:10.20 | valdyn | CosmicB: is vim-scripts installed? |
| 10:10.31 | ranju_ | hi i have upgraded my debian etch to lenny but now the desktop is like this can you pls help me out..http://picasaweb.google.com/ranjithkannikara/BloggerPictures?authkey=Gv1sRgCPShgYKiw9LKEg#5308900959676400994 15:40*** divad joined #debian |
| 10:10.49 | CosmicB | valdyn: no.. trying that now :) |
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| 10:11.15 | valdyn | CosmicB: vim-nox |
| 10:13.25 | divad | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.39 | divad | grr |
| 10:13.52 | CosmicB | valdyn: thnx ! I finally got syntax highlighting \o/ |
| 10:14.07 | ranju_ | hello this is the error msg iam getting when i don some aptget upgrade http://rafb.net/p/9hXd1s85.html |
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| 10:14.18 | ranju_ | will someone pls help me.. |
| 10:14.58 | valdyn | are you using bastille or selinux? |
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| 10:15.20 | piper69 | ranju_: we are having the same issue |
| 10:15.40 | valdyn | ranju_: ^^ |
| 10:15.42 | ranju_ | piper69: so what to do.. |
| 10:16.15 | ranju_ | piper69: hope here will be someone who can help us.. |
| 10:16.21 | piper69 | ranju_: i think we need to come back and ask when those guys are up |
| 10:16.22 | Maulkin | Looks liek a missing font |
| 10:16.26 | Maulkin | *like |
| 10:16.43 | piper69 | ranju_: oh yeah those folks are sharp |
| 10:16.45 | Maulkin | What font were you using beforehand? |
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| 10:16.49 | ranju_ | Maulkin: yes |
| 10:17.15 | ranju_ | piper69: i am searchin in google also.. |
| 10:17.24 | ranju_ | will tell you if i got an answer.. |
| 10:17.57 | piper69 | Maulkin: i have the same thing but mine when i do startx, the Desktop will come up and i can only see 1 small termial screen thats it |
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| 10:18.34 | Maulkin | Which font were you using beforehand? |
| 10:18.47 | piper69 | can't remember |
| 10:18.51 | valdyn | dejavu |
| 10:18.53 | Maulkin | The difference in lenny (afaict) is that bitmap fonts are now disabled by default (as they should have been) |
| 10:18.55 | valdyn | most probably |
| 10:19.02 | valdyn | ttf-dejavu |
| 10:19.08 | Maulkin | You'll need to install teh corresponding ttf-* package |
| 10:19.31 | Arrowmaster | whats a good server to use for a low usage ftp server? preferably something that doesnt run as a daemon since it will rarely get used except when i want to transfer larger files across a lan and scp/sftp is too slow |
| 10:19.52 | piper69 | Maulkin: and how do i figure it out |
| 10:19.54 | icebrain | Arrowmaster: why don't you use rsync? |
| 10:20.05 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: why would sftp be slow at all in that workload? |
| 10:20.07 | Arrowmaster | client computer is windows |
| 10:20.10 | Maulkin | piper69: Well, what language was your system in? |
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| 10:20.27 | piper69 | Maulkin: english |
| 10:20.29 | Maulkin | winscp? |
| 10:20.38 | icebrain | Arrowmaster: you can rsync to a Windows box, there are binaries compiled with cygwin |
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| 10:20.42 | piper69 | ? |
| 10:20.45 | Maulkin | piper69: and is ttf-dejavu installed? |
| 10:20.46 | Arrowmaster | well i just transfered 600GB and sftp was using 100% cpu usage on the client |
| 10:21.09 | piper69 | Maulkin: how do i tell |
| 10:21.14 | Arrowmaster | and only doing about 600KB/s on a 100mbit lan |
| 10:21.18 | valdyn | blowfish cipher uses less cpu i think |
| 10:21.32 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: that got to be a very slow cpu |
| 10:21.44 | Arrowmaster | it is, its an athlon xp |
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| 10:21.56 | icebrain | Arrowmaster: yeah, even my 800MHz can handle 1MB/s |
| 10:22.02 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: thats plenty for whatever cipher im using to get 10mb/sec |
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| 10:22.29 | jelly | 10 millibits can be transferred by hand, valdyn! |
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| 10:23.02 | valdyn | TEN MEGABYTE!1! |
| 10:23.09 | valdyn | heha |
| 10:23.19 | jelly | that's over 9000. |
| 10:23.36 | Maulkin | piper69: dpkg -l ttf-dejavu |
| 10:23.45 | beardy | ONE MILLION! |
| 10:23.48 | Maulkin | It'll probably say 'ii' or 'uu' |
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| 10:24.28 | piper69 | Maulkin: ii |
| 10:24.44 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: see /etc/ssh/ssh_config, the Ciphers line, put blowfish-cbc first |
| 10:24.48 | piper69 | ii ttf-dejavu 2.25-3 |
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| 10:25.55 | jelly | Arrowmaster: if it's rarely used, you can just do tar|nc (if the network is safe) |
| 10:26.39 | ShoesLife | in which package does "aticonfig" come ? |
| 10:27.29 | icebrain | which package provides a "schedule alarm", configured using a command line or text file and that can run a program on time? I can only find GUI crap :| |
| 10:28.06 | valdyn | icebrain: atd |
| 10:28.11 | buffoon_work | icebrain, i guess you're searching for cron or atd |
| 10:28.58 | valdyn | icebrain: echo mplayer someterriblenoise.mp3 | at 5:00 |
| 10:29.03 | icebrain | can atd schedule for a certain day? I thought it was only for hour:minutes |
| 10:29.23 | valdyn | icebrain: it can |
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| 10:30.19 | ShoesLife | which package provides aticonfig ? |
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| 10:30.30 | valdyn | !tell ShoesLife -about search |
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| 10:30.47 | ranju_ | hello when I try apt-get dis-upgrade i get this error http://rafb.net/p/9hXd1s85.html what i have to do..? |
| 10:30.48 | icebrain | valdyn and buffoon_work : thanks |
| 10:30.56 | ranju_ | hello when I try apt-get dis-upgrade i get this error http://rafb.net/p/9hXd1s85.html what i have to do..? |
| 10:31.05 | valdyn | 11:14 < valdyn> are you using bastille or selinux? |
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| 10:31.16 | valdyn | ranju_: ^^ again |
| 10:31.40 | ranju_ | valdyn:yes its not fixed yet.. |
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| 10:31.59 | valdyn | ranju_: what could possible be the reason why i ask a question? |
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| 10:32.41 | ranju_ | valdyn: pardon dint get you... |
| 10:32.51 | valdyn | ranju_: just asnwer the goddamn questions |
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| 10:33.40 | valdyn | ranju_: Answer me: Are you using bastille or selinux ? |
| 10:34.18 | ShoesLife | valdyn: i can't find it with search!!! |
| 10:34.18 | ranju_ | valdyn: hm.. I am using linux distro debian lenny |
| 10:34.41 | valdyn | ranju_: ok. |
| 10:34.55 | piper69 | ranju_: he is asking if you harden you system or no |
| 10:35.02 | valdyn | ranju_: paste the output of "mount" on a paste site |
| 10:35.21 | valdyn | guess him not knowing those 2 words is an answer too |
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| 10:36.11 | ranju_ | valdyn:http://rafb.net/p/41zPhf64.html here it is.. |
| 10:36.24 | valdyn | /dev/sda9 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 10:36.31 | valdyn | ranju_: your / is readonly |
| 10:37.03 | valdyn | ranju_: you need to fsck /dev/sda9 |
| 10:37.05 | jelly | it says rw clearly? |
| 10:37.10 | ranju_ | valdyn: so what I can do now |
| 10:37.12 | valdyn | ugh |
| 10:37.16 | valdyn | ranju_: ignore that |
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| 10:37.50 | jelly | but a look at dmesg/kern.log might provide clues |
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| 10:38.02 | ranju_ | valdyn: yes i have done fsck /dev/sda9 |
| 10:38.12 | ranju_ | now what i have to do..? |
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| 10:39.18 | piper69 | ranju_: what does fsck /dev/sda9 do |
| 10:39.33 | valdyn | fsck was the wrong track |
| 10:39.36 | valdyn | dont do it while its mounted... |
| 10:39.50 | piper69 | he said he did it already |
| 10:40.14 | ranju_ | valdyn: oh i have done it now how can i recover it.. |
| 10:40.28 | valdyn | ranju_: did that fsck do anything? |
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| 10:41.07 | ranju_ | valdyn: yes it created some erro ithink .. |
| 10:41.19 | ranju_ | that trying to remount /dev/sda09 |
| 10:41.20 | valdyn | ranju_: did it fix anything? |
| 10:41.36 | maxagaz | what are the steps to resize a lvm partition ? |
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| 10:41.47 | maxagaz | (on vmware) |
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| 10:42.14 | ranju_ | valdyn: now th mount result is this http://rafb.net/p/Gmt48D75.html |
| 10:42.32 | valdyn | ranju_: looks like its the same |
| 10:42.49 | valdyn | ranju_: didnt you get a big fat warning when you ran fsck? |
| 10:43.19 | ranju_ | and the result for apt-get dist-upgrade is http://rafb.net/p/8XLO6L18.html |
| 10:43.24 | piper69 | maxagaz: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=resize+a+lvm+partition |
| 10:43.42 | ranju_ | valdyn: yes i got some warning |
| 10:43.50 | valdyn | ranju_: and you ignored it.. |
| 10:43.59 | valdyn | ranju_: reboot that system |
| 10:44.08 | ranju_ | valdyn: ok.. |
| 10:44.25 | zwox | hi there |
| 10:44.32 | valdyn | ranju_: let me know when its back up |
| 10:44.44 | valdyn | ranju_: and please dont ever run fsck on a mounted filesystem |
| 10:44.50 | zwox | i can't remember |
| 10:45.20 | jelly | zwox: you can't remember not to press enter before finishing the sentence? It's easy! |
| 10:45.21 | zwox | i want to use an array for string substitution in a bash script |
| 10:45.35 | zwox | i knom how to in perl but not in bash |
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| 10:45.53 | piper69 | zwox got join #bash |
| 10:45.59 | zwox | jelly yep sorry, my finger misstyped |
| 10:46.35 | zwox | well, thank's pipe69 i'll go check there |
| 10:46.45 | piper69 | ranju_: are you there? |
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| 10:49.21 | valdyn | how the fuck did ranju get immutable files there? some exploit? |
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| 10:51.02 | maxagaz | i have extended the size of my virtual machine using vmware (which looks to work), but i can't see the free space added in linux using fdisk or parted, where could the problem come from ? |
| 10:52.18 | joltcan | maxagaz: I have no idea of how that works in vmware, but shoudln't you see extra free space in cfdisk/fdisk? |
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| 10:52.53 | maxagaz | joltcan, what other tool should i use ? |
| 10:53.36 | valdyn | maxagaz: the resisze didnt work if disk cant see it |
| 10:53.47 | valdyn | maxagaz: unless you failed to reas fdisk output properly |
| 10:53.59 | valdyn | s/disk/fdisk/ |
| 10:54.01 | maxagaz | joltcan, my partitions are lvm partitions, but "lvdisplay -v" doesn't diplay any more free space |
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| 10:54.14 | valdyn | maxagaz: use pvdisplay |
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| 10:54.42 | BlaBlax | ciao |
| 10:54.42 | valdyn | maxagaz: and that doesnt work before you grow the partitions either |
| 10:54.45 | joltcan | maxagaz: Like valdyn says, it's not your lv who grey bigger, it's your pv (physical volume) |
| 10:54.50 | maxagaz | PV Size 29.77 GB / not usable 2.71 MB |
| 10:54.57 | BlaBlax | lista per favore |
| 10:55.02 | maxagaz | but in vmware, i extended it to 60GB |
| 10:55.03 | jelly | maxagaz: extended the size of... what, the vmdk file? |
| 10:55.06 | valdyn | maxagaz: thats a partition |
| 10:55.17 | valdyn | maxagaz: partitions do not grow if the grow the disk |
| 10:55.20 | jelly | !list |
| 10:55.20 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jelly |
| 10:55.48 | valdyn | maxagaz: so assuming the disks is grown you could now add a partition or grow the last partition |
| 10:56.09 | maxagaz | valdyn, but where to see that the disk grown ? |
| 10:56.17 | valdyn | maxagaz: in fdisk |
| 10:56.46 | maxagaz | valdyn, fdisk returns: /dev/sda2 31 3916 31214295 8e Linux LVM |
| 10:57.01 | valdyn | maxagaz: thats a partition |
| 10:57.02 | maxagaz | valdyn, but my disk is now 60GB |
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| 10:57.11 | valdyn | maxagaz: thats not a disk, thats a partition |
| 10:57.13 | maxagaz | ok |
| 10:57.18 | maxagaz | sorry |
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| 10:57.28 | maxagaz | how to check the disk size then ? |
| 10:58.06 | valdyn | maxagaz: when you run fdisk /dev/sda and hit p to show the partition table, then the first line STARTS with "Disk" |
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| 10:59.00 | joltcan | on a side note: fdisk is pretty basic with its display. I suggest you use cfdisk to get some more visibility |
| 10:59.29 | valdyn | but in this case fdisk couldnt be any more verbose: Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB |
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| 11:04.41 | grig | hi all |
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| 11:05.26 | pringat | hi, I removed by accident an unmounted usb stick with vfat format. Now when I plug it I cannot see any partiton. Any idea if it is possible to recover the partition table without loosing the data? |
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| 11:06.13 | grig | can anyone explain (or point me to the doc explaining) the backporting of security patches to Debian packages? |
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| 11:09.24 | maxagaz | valdyn, ok! there i can see the change |
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| 11:10.16 | maxagaz | valdyn, from there how can i resize my lvm partition ? |
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| 11:11.00 | maxagaz | should i first resize /dev/sda2 on which lvm is installed, and then resize the lvm root parition, right? |
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| 11:13.04 | ranju_ | hello |
| 11:13.20 | pringat | previous question solved: it's the USB system which is not working properly and not the USB stick... thx anyway |
| 11:13.32 | grig | can anyone explain what means OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-10? (especially the '2 Debian-10' part) |
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| 11:15.33 | ganu | i installed mrtg in my system it is not working & it is not giving any error |
| 11:15.47 | ganu | when i run in terminal |
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| 11:25.42 | mrjohns1 | Hello! I have set up quota on a /home partition and having problems with the soft limit that acts like a hard limit. Can't get passed it. Any tips? |
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| 11:26.12 | jelly | grig: 4.3p2 is the upstream version of portable openssh. -10 is Debian's package revision (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version) |
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| 11:27.24 | sylar | does the processor cache make a difference? like between 8MB and 4MB of quad cores? |
| 11:27.50 | LesF | Hi, have installed lenny on a old box with AGP Geforce 6600, but xorg config has not set up any driver, do I have to manually install the free nvidia driver or should it have detected the hardware? |
| 11:28.27 | jelly | sylar: it depends on the workload. |
| 11:28.32 | grig | jelly: thank you very much |
| 11:28.43 | jelly | sylar: try ##hardware |
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| 11:29.29 | Arafangion | A trusted program is echoing two variables that I need to export, how do I eval them? |
| 11:29.36 | sylar | jelly, I know it depends on the workload. My workload is lots of small processes |
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| 11:29.37 | Arafangion | Note: They are on two lines. |
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| 11:31.06 | plsd | sylar, from what I've head it does make a difference but that's not very reliable coming from me :) If you check some hardware site I'm sure you can compare two similar cpus with different cache size and see if you think it's worth it. |
| 11:31.40 | RSD | Will pay someone to configure vBulletin message board for me! |
| 11:31.51 | sylar | plsd, the problem is that most benchmark are over 3d games |
| 11:31.57 | jelly | sylar: you'll have to know more about your load to be able to answer it better (how many processes? workset size?) |
| 11:32.06 | RSD | Will pay someone to configure vBulletin message board for me! |
| 11:32.17 | Arafangion | RSD: We heard the first time. |
| 11:32.58 | sylar | jelly, 741 processes |
| 11:33.10 | sylar | jelly, how do I find out workset size? |
| 11:33.26 | jelly | sylar: I meant, that's the type of question people in ##hardware will want to know |
| 11:33.41 | sylar | ah |
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| 11:51.51 | ccccc | hey,anyone who can help me |
| 11:52.10 | ccccc | i met a strange question |
| 11:52.35 | tomodachi | ccccc: dont ask if you can ask, just ask |
| 11:52.53 | LesF | should dpkg-reconfigure of xserver-xorg detect my graphics card? |
| 11:53.53 | ganu | i installed mrtg in my system it is not working & it is not giving any error when i run in terminal |
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| 11:54.11 | ccccc | well .i have install virtualbox ,but the guest OS cannot connect to the internet |
| 11:54.21 | ganu | let me know something from you peoples |
| 11:54.26 | dokma | hey guys. I've lost my keyboard after an upgrade. altgr is gone and so is my numpad. is this something global or just me? |
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| 11:55.36 | MikePer | LesF: I doubt that the driver would be installed automatically. Just have a look and install it yourself if it isn't there. |
| 11:55.40 | ccccc | as i turn on my guest os(xp), the host os will not connect to the internet |
| 11:55.51 | whiskers- | Hello. Can "any" [i.e. including lenny] businesscard ISO install testing/unstable? I've tried a daily build and it seems to have issues with mouse (screen gets filled with garbage, etc) and I can't find a "known working" snapshot. |
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| 11:56.26 | whiskers- | !sid |
| 11:56.26 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 11:57.54 | nsadmin | whiskers-: you willing to learn what it takes to solve problems in unstable? generally you would get less support, if only because you might be the first one to dicover problems |
| 11:58.38 | ccccc | hey,i just wonder anyone who notice my question :) |
| 11:58.50 | LesF | The driver appears to have been installed but the xorg.conf has not had any driver details added to it. Do I have to manually type in the driver section? |
| 11:58.52 | nsadmin | you and the bts are going to become good friends :P |
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| 11:59.31 | whiskers- | nsadmin: yes, i have ran it before ("before" i went to <some-other-distributions-land> for a while). i can't find my "old" debian businesscard CD (which worked).. I downloaded a daily build last night, it's troublesome. So I can't remember if, for example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-500-i386-businesscard.iso <- would allow me to install "any" of stable/testing/unstable |
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| 12:00.24 | tomodachi | ccccc: in the default setup i think it nats your connection |
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| 12:00.35 | nsadmin | whiskers-: note you can install lenny and then upgrade |
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| 12:00.53 | tomodachi | ccccc: do you have a default gw? |
| 12:01.02 | tomodachi | paste ipconfig /all into pastebin |
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| 12:01.06 | tomodachi | and send us a link here |
| 12:01.11 | tomodachi | from your win machine |
| 12:01.14 | stoned | not here |
| 12:01.18 | stoned | ##windows |
| 12:01.32 | stoned | this is not related to debian support |
| 12:01.35 | whiskers- | nsadmin: it's all good, I love BTSs. for your last line: i suppose i can, but why 'bother' instead of directly installing the branch i want |
| 12:01.38 | stoned | either #virtualbox or ##windows |
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| 12:02.11 | nsadmin | whiskers-: why? only because you say it's not working |
| 12:02.15 | ccccc | tomodachi :yes |
| 12:02.27 | nsadmin | in order to give you a choice |
| 12:03.11 | ccccc | the excact question is my host and guest cannot connect to the internet to internet at the same time |
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| 12:04.27 | nsadmin | ccccc: and so he has a question for you, which you would need to answer to give him info he needs to respond |
| 12:04.46 | whiskers- | nsadmin: oh. actually the installer itself on the build I downloaded last night seemed to be troublesome. I had issued an "expertgui". screen #N seemed to have garbage from screen #<N-1> and some other things like this. I suppose I could perform an install via the ncurses interface (or whatever the text mode uses).. but I'm taking the GUI glitches as a sign that "things" aren't generally stable. |
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| 12:05.29 | blindraven | enouf, !! :) |
| 12:05.32 | ccccc | nsadmin : i am sorry as i turn on my guest os(xp),the host will disconnect from internet |
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| 12:05.48 | whiskers- | - as far as the installer itself is concerned. as for the branch.. i'll deal with those after the system is installed. |
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| 12:06.36 | nsadmin | whiskers- ok, so I've lost your original quesion... could you pose it again? |
| 12:06.46 | ccccc | i just wonder there is something wrong with my net card,but not sure |
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| 12:07.41 | nsadmin | ccccc so you have your internet coming in, on what kind of connection/. |
| 12:07.46 | whiskers- | nsadmin: sure. can the "lenny businesscard cd iso" be used to directly install sid/unstable? |
| 12:07.46 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 12:08.29 | nsadmin | oh, maybe... but it could be that sid or testing already has new dpkg and aptitude, which could be a problem |
| 12:08.43 | MindCr | whiskers-, yu can install the base system and upgrade to sid later |
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| 12:09.03 | nsadmin | we went there already :) |
| 12:09.05 | ribasushi | I have coreutils 6.10-6, changelog says that xattr support was added during 5.0.90-3, however the 6.10-6 manpage does not mention anything |
| 12:09.05 | whiskers- | MindCr: I know. But I'm trying to find a CD ISO which will allow me to install the desired branch directly. |
| 12:09.18 | ribasushi | is this an omission or is there no real support for xattr? |
| 12:09.32 | MindCr | there are a sid installer but isnt good option |
| 12:09.36 | ccccc | bsanub : i connect to the internet from school(dhcp) |
| 12:09.40 | nsadmin | judd versions xattr |
| 12:09.40 | judd | nsadmin: xattr -- |
| 12:09.55 | whiskers- | nsadmin: I see. are you saying "it could be" as in "anything possible", or do you have information/susspicions that this, in fact, may be the case |
| 12:10.03 | MindCr | to upgrade the base is only a minute |
| 12:10.23 | nsadmin | judd versions dpkg |
| 12:10.23 | judd | nsadmin: dpkg -- etch: 1.13.25 lenny: 1.14.25 sid: 1.14.25 squeeze: 1.14.25 experimental: 1.15.0 |
| 12:10.45 | ccccc | nsadmin : the words is for you,sorry :( |
| 12:11.12 | nsadmin | judd versions apt |
| 12:11.13 | judd | nsadmin: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 lenny: 0.7.20.2 sid: 0.7.20.2 squeeze: 0.7.20.2 experimental: 0.7.21~exp2 |
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| 12:11.35 | nsadmin | judd versions aptitude |
| 12:11.36 | judd | nsadmin: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 sid: 0.4.11.11-1 squeeze: 0.4.11.11-1 experimental: 0.5.1-1 |
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| 12:12.25 | nsadmin | as you can see... they all have the same versions of dpkg and apt, with lenny having a backport of the same version of aptitude |
| 12:12.45 | whiskers- | nsadmin: thank you. so i'm "good to go" ? |
| 12:12.58 | nsadmin | given this info I suspect it would work |
| 12:13.09 | themill | sid is often not installable. That's why it's called sid. I imagine it's not installable at the moment on i386 because there are no kernels in sid... |
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| 12:13.30 | nsadmin | oh... really good point :) |
| 12:14.41 | nsadmin | you could probably install squeeze directly |
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| 12:15.14 | antlarr | is anyone using debian with the new macbook5,1 ? (the unibody, alluminium one) |
| 12:15.44 | tomodachi | antlarr: im using ubuntu on my macbook pro |
| 12:15.57 | antlarr | I'm having problems making the synaptic driver to work, does it work for you? |
| 12:16.19 | tomodachi | synaptics driver? |
| 12:16.28 | antlarr | for the trackpad |
| 12:16.29 | tomodachi | wich driver are you refering to? |
| 12:16.34 | antlarr | to allow gestures |
| 12:16.34 | tomodachi | works for me |
| 12:16.39 | nsadmin | ccccc while you're at school? or using modem? |
| 12:16.53 | antlarr | tomodachi: are you using unstable/experimental? |
| 12:17.09 | tomodachi | antlarr: im not using debian, im using ubuntu |
| 12:17.12 | tomodachi | also i have no gesture support |
| 12:17.15 | tomodachi | just multi touch |
| 12:17.23 | tomodachi | like tre fingers is middle click |
| 12:17.25 | antlarr | well, multi touch would be good enough for me |
| 12:17.28 | ribasushi | antlarr: hm... I thought this bug was fixed... debian shouldn't run at all on subpar hardware :D |
| 12:18.04 | antlarr | I had to compile my own 2.6.28.7 kernel to make some things work (like the Fn key) |
| 12:18.16 | nsadmin | if it basically works and is stable, should run |
| 12:18.21 | antlarr | but I won't compile xorg :) |
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| 12:18.41 | ccccc | nsadmin :i am not sure |
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| 12:18.52 | tomodachi | nsadmin: have a look in the ubuntu macbook wiki, theres alot of odcumentation there |
| 12:19.07 | antlarr | tomodachi: I guess that was for me |
| 12:19.09 | nsadmin | ccccc where are you now? at school? at home? |
| 12:19.27 | tomodachi | antlarr: correct |
| 12:19.40 | antlarr | tomodachi: I looked there, and in tons of other pages, I even found the forum in which the trackpad protocol was decoded :) |
| 12:19.56 | ccccc | nsadmin : at school |
| 12:20.26 | nsadmin | ok, you're at school... and the machine you're running is your machine? |
| 12:20.37 | antlarr | but all of them say: either it works by default (as in k/ubuntu like you said) or that you have to configure xorg.conf to enable the synaptics driver, which I already did of course |
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| 12:20.44 | ccccc | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:20.52 | nsadmin | it's a laptop? |
| 12:21.00 | ccccc | nsadmin: no |
| 12:21.12 | antlarr | the problem is that when xorg is started, it loads the synaptics module, then says it cannot find any compatible hardware and unloads it |
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| 12:22.22 | ccccc | nsadmin: i think my host os and guest cannot "share" the net card |
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| 12:22.54 | nsadmin | ccccc: you're running virtualization? that's why there are multiple oses involved? |
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| 12:23.40 | dokma | hey guys. my numlock key is inverted. is there a way to revert it to proper behaviour? |
| 12:23.50 | ccccc | i am now in the host os (lenny) |
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| 12:24.35 | dokma | that's in kde in the ttys it's ok |
| 12:25.52 | nsadmin | when I ran xen, I had to establish a network bridge in the dom0 which connected the domUs |
| 12:26.17 | nsadmin | so I had to "simulate" a hub |
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| 12:27.31 | nsadmin | what xp could be doing is trying to use the hardware nic |
| 12:28.29 | nsadmin | what you might have to do is make sure you have a bridge in place and then get xp to use a simulated interface that connects to the bridge |
| 12:29.10 | ccccc | nsadmin: my classmates have installed vbox ,but they do not have the question |
| 12:29.26 | bolt-work | nobody has the question |
| 12:29.29 | bolt-work | but the answer is 42 |
| 12:29.36 | ccccc | they use the "nat" ,too |
| 12:29.48 | nsadmin | nobody expects the spanish question |
| 12:30.11 | bolt-work | gets an inquisitive look |
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| 12:30.24 | nsadmin | ccccc: so they've solved the network problem, which maybe you must do too |
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| 12:30.45 | MikePer | That's definately VirtualBox questions. VirtualBox can simulate a hub but you would have to set the host os to bridge or you could use tap interfaces to give every guest their own interface. |
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| 12:31.19 | ccccc | nsadmin:i have asked them,but they did not met the question |
| 12:31.21 | nsadmin | ccccc: for example... maybe you have to study the vbox manual to see how it provides network support if it does. |
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| 12:31.52 | nsadmin | are they doing exactly the same as you? lenny host, xp guest? |
| 12:32.08 | MikePer | nsadmin: VirtualBox has an excellent user manual :) |
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| 12:32.33 | nsadmin | perhaps that's why there's a good success rate in his class |
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| 12:33.04 | ccccc | nsadmin: they use the linux host and xp guest |
| 12:33.04 | ccccc | not really |
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| 12:33.35 | ccccc | i used to install linux(guest) in xp,but did not met this question |
| 12:33.39 | nsadmin | linux? which linux are they using? debian lenny all of them? |
| 12:33.57 | foetus | hello. |
| 12:34.06 | ccccc | ubuntu , maybe |
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| 12:34.40 | nsadmin | ahh, so maybe debian is trying to use the hardware interface instead of the simulated address too |
| 12:34.50 | ccccc | thay said my problem is quite stange :( |
| 12:35.09 | nsadmin | could you aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 12:35.39 | rgr | should I change all my source.list references from "lenny" to stable now? |
| 12:35.48 | ccccc | what is pastebinit |
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| 12:36.40 | ccccc | i used to install in ubuntu ,but met the same question :( |
| 12:37.58 | azeem | ccccc: apt-cache show pastebinit |
| 12:38.48 | MikePer | rgr: no. you can if you want but you would not see a difference for, let's say, a year from now on |
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| 12:41.16 | jandruss | Hi everybody! I'm compiling the program hello from source just to learn how to do it, but a weird thing draw my attention. Just after unpacking the tarball in /usr/local/src the new directory and its subdirectories took the as owner one of my users. Why did this happen? Shouldn't be root the owner? |
| 12:41.18 | neil_d | I have a DDNS setup on my local lan :) I am doing a netboot + nfs root for a diskless client :) but the client isn't causing the DDNS to be updated :( is there a way to do this manually? |
| 12:41.22 | nsadmin | judd info pastebinit |
| 12:41.22 | judd | nsadmin: pastebinit (misc): is optional; Version: 0.10-2; Size: 9.0k; Installed: 88k -- command-line pastebin client |
| 12:42.09 | bolt-work | jandruss: tar can include userid's by number |
| 12:42.25 | bolt-work | jandruss: you probably extracted it with userid by number :) |
| 12:42.42 | rvsjoen | jandruss: safest is just to add your user to the 'src' group and chgrp whatever source you are playing with to that group |
| 12:43.16 | jandruss | bolt-work: I'm not really sure what do you mean. I just used the "tar -xzvf hello-XXXX" command. |
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| 12:44.32 | rvsjoen | jandruss: if the tar archive is told to keep the userid when it is created it will untar with the same userid as it was created with, regardless of who is unpacking it. ( I think ) |
| 12:44.53 | nsadmin | ccccc: got it installed? |
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| 12:45.13 | ccccc | nsadmin:yes |
| 12:45.22 | nsadmin | if so... ifconfig -a | pastebinit |
| 12:46.17 | nsadmin | it should think for a minnit then give you a url |
| 12:46.49 | nsadmin | also route -n | pastebinit |
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| 12:47.00 | nsadmin | and tell us the urls |
| 12:47.58 | ccccc | http://pastebin.com/f4fe7491 |
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| 12:48.40 | tomodachi | ccccc: nothing from the virtual machine ip config settings? |
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| 12:49.34 | jandruss | rvsjoen: ehm... I'm kind of new in this world... so let me see if I understood you: Are you saying that the reason why the owner of the unpackaged directory in my computer (in this case it go 1001) is set automatically beacuse the developer who packed the hello program has a 1001 userid too? joj...hope you understand me... ^^ |
| 12:49.35 | ccccc | tomodachi: i just set "nat",and do nothing in my "virtual xp" |
| 12:49.35 | nsadmin | howbout lspci | pastebinit |
| 12:50.20 | nsadmin | I can't tell for sure, but it looks like eth0 is a hardware neic |
| 12:50.26 | nsadmin | nic |
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| 12:50.59 | bolt-work | jandruss: yes |
| 12:51.20 | ccccc | http://pastebin.com/f172db368 |
| 12:52.40 | jandruss | bolt-work: rvsjoen : ok, now i understand it, cheers |
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| 12:53.08 | bartvk | Hi, I'm trying to build a custom package. I want it to be installable under the new stable only |
| 12:53.23 | bartvk | Can I define this somewhere in the DEBIAN/control file? |
| 12:53.29 | rvsjoen | jandruss: correct, this behaviour (--same-owner: extract files with owner as specified in archive) is the default behaviour when extracting as root, use --no-same-owner to prevent it |
| 12:53.45 | bolt-work | bartvk: shouldn't it be installable wherever all its dependencies are available? |
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| 12:54.26 | bolt-work | jandruss: and tell the developer to not include his userid :P |
| 12:54.44 | bartvk | bolt-work hmm good one |
| 12:55.00 | bartvk | bolt-work I'll just let it depend on particular versions |
| 12:55.10 | bolt-work | bartvk: good :) |
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| 12:55.35 | jandruss | rvsjoen: bolt-work : thanks :) |
| 12:55.46 | rvsjoen | jandruss: or stop extracting source archives as root ^_^ |
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| 12:55.57 | nsadmin | ccccc hmm... so I can't really tell what's going on, and I ran out of time |
| 12:56.17 | nsadmin | but your eth is listed on the last line (21) of that paste |
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| 12:57.27 | nsadmin | I don't see any evidence of a network bridge, maybe vbox doesn't work that way; I dunno. one thing you can do is find out |
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| 12:59.07 | ccccc | nsadmin oh,thank you |
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| 13:00.46 | nsadmin | it would seem to me that the host os would connect to the net using the hardware, but also engage the bridge... again, no evidence of that |
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| 13:02.21 | ccccc | nsadmin: i think i can do nothing :(. but thanks for you help |
| 13:02.35 | MikePer | ccccc: do you see the network cable 'unplugged' in the guest os? |
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| 13:03.28 | nsadmin | ccccc another thing you can do is ask a student wit a working setup to show you his/her ifconfig, ifconfig -a, route -n |
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| 13:04.15 | nsadmin | btw that first post was your ifconfig? or ifconfig -a? |
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| 13:06.09 | brutus | I have installed the nvidia-glx-new driver but I still cannot enable desktop effects. Could somebody please help me out? My xorg.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/m1cd18481 |
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| 13:07.15 | arcsky | Is there any tool i use for see what RPM my harddrive got? |
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| 13:07.23 | JPT | hdparm... but use with caution...it can do more than just read data ;) |
| 13:07.30 | Burps | Hi : did anyone else notice any error with KDE/quanta and fish since lenny upgrade ? |
| 13:07.39 | Burps | I don't know how to debug this... |
| 13:08.05 | nsadmin | fish? |
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| 13:08.12 | rvsjoen | arcsky: looking in the cache dir ? just a hunch, i don't really do rpm |
| 13:08.20 | JPT | wait... fish is not working for you, too ? |
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| 13:08.24 | Burps | kioslave: ####### CRASH ###### protocol = fish 29 lenny |
| 13:08.28 | rvsjoen | oh, misunderstood you, sorry |
| 13:08.29 | MikePer | ccccc: I would recommend to ask in #vbox |
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| 13:08.56 | Burps | JPT : yep, exactly... |
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| 13:09.12 | JPT | hmm... it's not working here, too... |
| 13:09.17 | JPT | damn it.. |
| 13:09.19 | ccccc | MikePer: Thanks |
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| 13:10.12 | infinity0 | anyone know any news about eclipse3.4 on debian? |
| 13:10.13 | JPT | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506167 |
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| 13:14.55 | Burps | JPT : ok, thx |
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| 13:15.07 | JPT | no problem... ;) |
| 13:16.18 | zzattack | hi I ran apt-get to install some packages but in the meantime my internet connection went down, now a configuration script still runs |
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| 13:16.37 | zzattack | can I reconnect to this session and resume that curses configuration script? |
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| 13:19.03 | MikePer | zzattack: you can kill it and dpkg-reconfigure that package |
| 13:20.24 | zzattack | MikePer: thats what I usually do when tihs happens, but im wondering if there's a better way |
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| 13:23.26 | arcsky | isnt possible to install from a livecd? |
| 13:23.27 | ZummiG777 | Question: If I mirror a full debian mirror, will that include all of the ubuntu materials as well? |
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| 13:28.01 | craigevil | ZummiG777: no ubuntu is not debian |
| 13:28.24 | ManateeLazyCat | What's with Haskell source? Why Haskell source update is so slow? |
| 13:28.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !ubuntu |
| 13:28.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:28.31 | lxsameer | is there any tools like debian-cd but easier to use? |
| 13:28.46 | azeem | lxsameer: what do you want to do? |
| 13:29.07 | azeem | somebody is writing debimg as a replacement, but I don't think it is very mature yet |
| 13:29.35 | lxsameer | azeem: i build debian installer from source and i want to make an iso from the debian installer result |
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| 13:33.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) abrotman |
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| 13:45.40 | ^shark_1 | i'd like to change a series of numbers with each line for example, 1234567891011 making the first number 1 become the last and the last one become the first |
| 13:45.44 | ^shark_1 | any ideas |
| 13:45.59 | azeem | ^shark_1: programming questions are off-topic here |
| 13:46.12 | skiter | how I can get mac address from local interfaces from /proc? |
| 13:46.12 | azeem | ask the channel of the programming language you would like to use for your problem |
| 13:46.27 | xoz | ^shark_1: try vi |
| 13:46.30 | ^shark_1 | azeem: hmmmm |
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| 13:46.50 | enouf | skiter: somewhere in /proc/net/dev/* or something |
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| 13:47.20 | skiter | /proc/net/dev not is a directory |
| 13:47.33 | enouf | wonderful |
| 13:47.48 | xoz | ^shark_1: :s/^\(\d\)\(.*\)\(\d\)$/\3\2\1/g |
| 13:48.17 | azeem | xoz: please keep it on topic |
| 13:48.19 | ^shark_1 | xoz: ok let me give it a try, this is sid right? |
| 13:48.44 | xoz | azeem: linux regular expression is ok if we can help |
| 13:49.13 | enouf | atleast, afaik, easier ways exist, udevinfo/udevadm for one, lshal, and dmesg, etc etc |
| 13:49.24 | xoz | points ^shark_1 to #bash #perl or #ruby |
| 13:49.32 | ribasushi | enouf: any good with iproute/tc ? |
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| 13:49.47 | enouf | no |
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| 13:49.59 | nsadmin | or #python, #scheme, #tcl, or #lisp |
| 13:50.11 | xoz | or man sed |
| 13:50.21 | nsadmin | all of which should be capable of handling your situation |
| 13:50.47 | nsadmin | one thing... |
| 13:51.15 | nsadmin | in order to try to apply it, you're going to have to learn the language at least to a degree |
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| 13:52.04 | xoz | ^shark_1: you can goto :help of vim and at the advance tutorial, you will have similar problem discussed. |
| 13:52.36 | ^shark_1 | ok |
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| 13:53.10 | xoz | notes that he uses vim a lot in regular expression processing. he can always undo and try different expressions conveniently. |
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| 13:54.25 | arvind_khadri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.11 | thnee | http://pastebin.com/m3bdac3f2 *why* couldnt it set the locale? |
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| 13:55.43 | nsadmin | so that woudl rule out packaging questions if they dealve into the maint scripts |
| 13:57.53 | xoz | ^shark_1: usr_12.txt in the :help tutorial of vim specifically |
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| 13:59.04 | xoz | thnee: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:59.52 | xoz | thnee: type locale, to check if your locale env are set properly. |
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| 14:03.10 | xoz | ^shark_1: add % for all, :%s/^\(\d\)\(.*\)\(\d\)$/\3\2\1/g |
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| 14:04.49 | JBzh | Hi |
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| 14:05.24 | xoz | JBzh: anything we can help? |
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| 14:06.22 | xjunior | hi, I need to read an UDF disk, how do I do it? ATM, when I insert an UDF volume it's recognized as an empty media |
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| 14:06.44 | JBzh | xoz: yes indeed, I can't find why vi behave strangely when used via telnet (putty) on a Lenny server. keypad numbers and backspace for example behave strangely |
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| 14:08.52 | JBzh | I press 'i' to insert, nothing apear on the bottom of the screen like it used to, the first time I press DELETE it change the previous letter to uppercase and the second time I press DELETE it delete the next charactere |
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| 14:09.12 | hark | JBzh: try running it as vim, not vi |
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| 14:10.10 | JBzh | vim works, thanks hark |
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| 14:11.44 | JBzh | still I don't understand why vi does that. I think it's a known problem but I can't find a webpage explaining it. |
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| 14:12.35 | JBzh | I can't remember but I had this problem few years ago and there were an explanation |
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| 14:13.29 | ManateeLazyCat | unstable source always crash system? |
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| 14:13.43 | ManateeLazyCat | I use testing. |
| 14:13.48 | enouf | xjunior: all i can say is; lsmod | egrep 'udf|isofs|loop' (ensure they're all loaded) - maybe install udftools pkg |
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| 14:14.19 | hark | JBzh: it's just set compatible |
| 14:14.29 | hark | JBzh: read /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny |
| 14:14.38 | enouf | xjunior: also, your line in /etc/fstab ; make sure it also contains udf,iso9660 as options for your cd/dvd drive |
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| 14:14.57 | xoz | JBzh: try using ctrl-b,h,j,k instead of delete |
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| 14:16.12 | enouf | possible the older kernel <insert> issue? |
| 14:16.54 | enouf | and there's also that macintosh backspace thing issue |
| 14:17.02 | JBzh | I'm reading, thanks again hark |
| 14:17.12 | xoz | yep. ctrhl-h is always correct compare to delete key |
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| 14:17.47 | xoz | also, differences in term |
| 14:18.13 | Mox` | Hey, is there a specification for hl1 and hl2 servers somewhere? |
| 14:18.30 | steven_ | hey you |
| 14:18.37 | steven_ | wrong window apologies |
| 14:18.48 | xoz | it happens :) |
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| 14:19.48 | wm4 | what is the current standard kernel in Debian unstable? |
| 14:20.09 | hark | JBzh: np, you might want to install vim for all of vim features |
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| 14:20.49 | hark | wm4: 2.6.28 |
| 14:21.17 | wm4 | hark: thanks... that's unfortunate |
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| 14:21.50 | hark | it is? |
| 14:21.50 | amartin83 | hi #debian, i've just compiled the 2.6.28.7 kernel, but doesn't want to boot. The error is "error 15: file not found". Someone has some clues?? |
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| 14:22.31 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 14:22.32 | Panarchy | I have the source files for GNOME-main-menu 0.9.12. This is the feature that gives GNOME Panel the following: [Applications | Places | System] How can I convert that to an applet? As I wish to add another 'option' to the list, [Applications | Places | System | Tools], and think it may be best to have that as a separate Applet. Since most (if not all) the work has been done for me, how do I convert the GNOME-Main-Menu to an Applet, for further conve |
| 14:22.47 | JanKunder | Hi every1. How to change MAC address *FOREVER*? Is it possible? If not, how to make, that MAC will change after each start (using if-pre-up.d?)?? |
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| 14:23.46 | Panarchy | macchanger |
| 14:23.56 | Panarchy | sudo apt-get install macchanger |
| 14:24.07 | zinx | uhm, ifconfig will change the mac address |
| 14:24.09 | Typosu | I'm having a slight problem with suspend/resume in debian, when using uswsusp, the computer wont wake up, usb devices are dead (no kb/mouse), graphics is down, and the hd led is blinking.. but regular /sys kernel sleep works fine. but pm-utils wont use it for some reason. |
| 14:24.17 | zinx | no need for some weird program to do it :/ |
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| 14:25.07 | arvind_khadri | i dont want nautilus to open new windows when i click on drive where do i change this behaviour? gconf-editor? |
| 14:25.13 | JanKunder | Panarchy, zin 1) many thanks 2) I know how to do it; I wanna do it forever// after each start |
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| 14:25.22 | Panarchy | Login Scripts |
| 14:25.27 | JanKunder | zinx, 1) many thanks 2) I know how to do it; I wanna do it forever// after each start |
| 14:25.39 | ManateeLazyCat | How many people use unstable source? Or testing source? I want to know percent... Thanks! |
| 14:25.41 | Panarchy | Or, if you're good enough, Kernel editing |
| 14:25.56 | WormFood | what is the name of the program to change linux file attributes? I was thinking it is "attr", but I can't seem to find it....and what package has that tool (on sid)? |
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| 14:26.09 | Typosu | chattr? |
| 14:26.10 | hark | arvind_khadri: in preferences, look for always open in browser windows |
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| 14:26.25 | amartin83 | JanKunder, it's not possible to change mac forever, as it is written in your card. Can change for example: sudo ifconfig eth0 hw <mac> ;or similar |
| 14:26.35 | WormFood | yeah, that is Typosu...thanks...I haven't used it in such a long time I couldn't remember |
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| 14:26.47 | Typosu | WormFood: I was half guessing ;) |
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| 14:26.51 | Panarchy | Hmm, with the right hard-ware tools, it may be possible |
| 14:26.53 | Typosu | too late to use brain. |
| 14:26.58 | Panarchy | That is, considering you have a budjet |
| 14:27.02 | Panarchy | ? |
| 14:27.06 | Panarchy | *budget |
| 14:27.09 | Panarchy | That looks better |
| 14:27.10 | Panarchy | lol |
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| 14:27.31 | arvind_khadri | hark, got it :) thanks |
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| 14:28.07 | WormFood | Typosu, I haven't touched that tool in close to 10 years....for some reason, it slipped out of my short term ram (memory) |
| 14:28.16 | Typosu | I havent ever used it. |
| 14:28.26 | Typosu | but I've seen it referenced on blogs, articles and emails... |
| 14:28.26 | WormFood | wow |
| 14:28.31 | WormFood | it is really handy sometimes |
| 14:28.36 | Typosu | I've used chmod/chown |
| 14:28.36 | WormFood | you should check it out |
| 14:28.37 | Typosu | lots |
| 14:28.43 | WormFood | who hasn't |
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| 14:28.46 | Typosu | but I've never really had a use for extended attrs |
| 14:29.04 | WormFood | the most common problem with Linux (and unix in general) is file permissions and ownership |
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| 14:29.30 | Hideme | I had a file named "sword" in my /root dir. No idea how it got there and it looked like a man page. Can anyone tell me what that's for? |
| 14:29.33 | jelly | Typosu: assigning arbitrary metadata to file might be interesting. |
| 14:29.42 | Typosu | indeed. |
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| 14:29.44 | amartin83 | i've just compiled the 2.6.28.7 kernel, but doesn't want to boot. The error is "error 15: file not found". Someone has some clues?? |
| 14:30.06 | divad | WormFood: funny, I always thought of file permissions as a feature :-) |
| 14:30.12 | jelly | Typosu: if ext.attrs existed on most OSes, mp3 tagging and messing up file sizes and checksums wouldn't have to happen |
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| 14:30.44 | Typosu | jelly: except using fs metadata is slower than something like a database many apps are starting to use |
| 14:30.49 | craigevil | Hideme: do you have bibletime or gnomesword installled? |
| 14:30.53 | WormFood | divad, file permissions is an integral feature of unix |
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| 14:31.01 | jelly | Typosu: implementation detail! |
| 14:31.10 | Panarchy | I want to create a separate gnome-applet that can do the same as the Applications menu in the GNOME-main-menu. However, I want this to hold different Applications, and to be under the heading "Tools". How should I go about doing this? What packages do I need in my environment? |
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| 14:31.30 | Typosu | jelly: yeah, its an implementation detail that crap is slow.. I still dont want it to be slow :P |
| 14:31.38 | myeggo | hello - I have created a new partition ext3, and mounted via fstab in /mnt/hdc1, but now i cant write in that partition, what i did wrong? |
| 14:31.52 | Hideme | craigevil: I don't believe so. |
| 14:32.15 | divad | WormFood: just kidding, your comment was kind of funny to read out of context |
| 14:32.25 | WormFood | ahhh |
| 14:33.08 | Burps | since I can't "fish" anymore with quanta, do you know any GUI editors (please, no vi*, no*emacs...) I can edit ssh remote file with ? |
| 14:33.23 | Panarchy | gedit? |
| 14:33.24 | Panarchy | lol |
| 14:33.40 | WormFood | try vim |
| 14:33.42 | WormFood | :P |
| 14:33.49 | WormFood | pico/nano |
| 14:34.10 | JanKunder | amartin83, thank you, I was thinkinh taht its impossible, but hope for not :) |
| 14:34.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | try "notepad" |
| 14:34.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 14:34.18 | JanKunder | amartin83, thank you, I was thinkinh taht its impossible, but hope for not :) |
| 14:34.19 | Burps | wouaw..; so much choice... ;) |
| 14:34.30 | WormFood | really...if you can't handle emacs or vi/vim....try pico/nano...but don't try to claim you're a systems admin using pico/nano, because you coworkers will laugh at you |
| 14:34.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmfao |
| 14:34.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | use vimtutor |
| 14:34.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 14:35.09 | Burps | not pretending anything... but I 'll never use nano, for sure... |
| 14:35.22 | zinx | JanKunder: just change it when the machine boots, or when the in the pre-up / etc :/ |
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| 14:35.32 | WormFood | vim runs fine in a gui |
| 14:35.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 14:36.17 | WormFood | try using "sed"...that isn't emacs, or vim, and it works in a gui |
| 14:36.26 | ribasushi | is a system admin and never used vi and derivatives (and will keep it that way) |
| 14:36.34 | datacrusher | aheuaheu |
| 14:36.57 | ribasushi | mcedit, nano worst case scenario, vim is for pussies :) |
| 14:37.16 | WormFood | I use vi, because it is on EVERY unix system ever made....I even the tiniest of linux systems usually have vi on it |
| 14:37.22 | Burps | sorry, didn't want to launch any troll.... ;) |
| 14:37.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | vi is good |
| 14:37.44 | jelly | valdyn: hey, did that guy with immutable-ish /bin/ls ever come back? |
| 14:37.45 | enouf | JanKunder: there might be something you could do to it's eeprom, but that's a bit more .. er .. dangerous? |
| 14:37.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | solves every purpose |
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| 14:37.48 | WormFood | I've been able to walk up to strange unix systems, and edit files on them because I know vi |
| 14:38.28 | ribasushi | WormFood: I know enough vi for this type of situation, but this doesn't mean I have to use it day-to-day |
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| 14:38.36 | WormFood | now I understand that vi is a little weird to learn...I mean, it was designed before the <ctrl> key |
| 14:38.43 | jelly | WormFood: just because one can use it doesn't mean one has to like it, though |
| 14:38.52 | ribasushi | sh4d3sl4y3r_: an AK47 also "solves every purpose"... and more, but you don't walk around using it right? :) |
| 14:38.58 | WormFood | I love vim...after I learned it |
| 14:39.00 | hark | !start an editor war |
| 14:39.00 | dpkg | pico bites |
| 14:39.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | LMAO riba |
| 14:39.06 | WormFood | I don't care for vi, but vim is great |
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| 14:39.18 | WormFood | at first I didn't love it, but after I used it more, I really like it |
| 14:39.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !AK47 |
| 14:39.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 14:39.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 14:39.28 | Panarchy | I wish to convert the [Applications | Places | System] section of the GNOME-Panel to a GNOME-applet. How should I go about doing this? |
| 14:39.41 | saintk | Hi, i have Lenny x64 installed, for some reason all of a sudden aptitude is giving 'segmentation fault' on everything i try to do with it. Any idea how i can fix this ? |
| 14:39.50 | enouf | Panarchy: tried gnome specific channels/networks? |
| 14:40.11 | amphi | g'day enouf |
| 14:40.14 | WormFood | saintk, perhaps the binary, or one of the libraries it uses is corrupt on the hard drive, or perhaps you have bad ram |
| 14:40.18 | enouf | saintk: bad ram, 1st guess |
| 14:40.23 | hark | saintk: does apt-get work? |
| 14:40.34 | enouf | amphi: hi there ;-) |
| 14:40.53 | saintk | nope |
| 14:40.57 | amphi | enouf: xmonad is very nice ;) |
| 14:41.06 | saintk | i did order new ram thought :) |
| 14:41.17 | WormFood | I'm so happy, I just bought a 1500 Gig hard drive today....down side is it will take a week to run badblocks on it, over the usb interface :( |
| 14:41.24 | enouf | oh .. hrm .. /me goes to see what it is |
| 14:41.38 | hark | saintk: try removing /var/cache/apt/*bin and run an update |
| 14:41.39 | Panarchy | enouf: Of course. |
| 14:41.43 | saintk | hark: ok sec |
| 14:42.07 | goauld | wormfood, you always run badblocks on new disks ? |
| 14:42.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | testing and unstable are still not geared up properly.. |
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| 14:42.19 | Panarchy | Perhaps I could get suggestions on what .deb packages (apt-get) I should be getting in order to have a usable environment setup for Editing, and compiling of Source Code (from GNOME) |
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| 14:42.37 | Panarchy | Ones I know of already: build-essential, CodeBlocks |
| 14:42.38 | WormFood | goauld, ALWAYS...especially flash (but I just run it with random blocks, one pass) |
| 14:42.40 | ptman | anyone else using kvm in lenny and doing live migration? |
| 14:42.43 | enouf | amphi: ahh, sweet - more toys (tools/utils) to try out ;-) |
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| 14:42.57 | saintk | hark: Worked wonders ":D |
| 14:42.58 | WormFood | goauld, ever heard of flash memory identifying itself as larger than it really is? |
| 14:42.59 | saintk | Thanks alot! |
| 14:43.02 | hark | !info gnome-devel |
| 14:43.04 | amphi | enouf: aye ;) |
| 14:43.05 | dpkg | gnome-devel: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- development tools), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.22.2~5 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 14:43.13 | goauld | nop wormfood ; i never had one |
| 14:43.23 | ptman | when I try to do live migration with kvm in lenny, it seems like it works and then the guest locks up |
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| 14:43.46 | WormFood | goauld, I live in China, and that type of shit is a reality...you hear about getting "fake" flashrom in usa....I live where that shit is made |
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| 14:44.12 | goauld | lol |
| 14:44.33 | Panarchy | !gnome-devel |
| 14:44.43 | Panarchy | Thanks hark |
| 14:45.03 | WormFood | luckly I haven't gotten any flashrom like that, but I'm always on the lookout when I buy new flashrom |
| 14:45.07 | goauld | then you run it with 2 purposes in mind, ill do the same next disk i buy |
| 14:45.16 | arcsky | I installed debian-500-i386-CD-1.iso on a usb stick. and now when i want to install it on my laptop it tell me "cant detect CD-rom" |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 14:45.59 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 14:46.06 | WormFood | goauld, I mainly run it with random blocks to make sure blocks aren't being mirrored....with a hard drive, it has a 2nd purpose...it also fills the slack space with random data |
| 14:46.35 | goauld | then you are not loocking for uncorrectable blocks |
| 14:46.48 | WormFood | on the subject of booting from flashrom, I've found VERY FEW systems that can do it...I have yet to find a modern system that will do it...but my old IBM T30 laptop does it just fine |
| 14:46.50 | enouf | Panarchy: other nice source bldg things you might want, as staples; build-essential, devscripts, libc6-dev, fakeroot (et al) |
| 14:46.59 | WormFood | I mean, booting from usb |
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| 14:47.31 | goauld | my disk just crashed the other day im asking myself if the uncorrectable sectors was there from the beggining and simply the data never hit the bad zone until the other day |
| 14:47.51 | WormFood | good question goauld....you will never know for sure |
| 14:47.51 | arcsky | another thing why isnt possible to install debian from a livcd? |
| 14:48.17 | WormFood | arcsky, it probably is possible...I KNOW you can do that with knoppix (for example) |
| 14:48.30 | WormFood | arcsky, it is probably that they didn't write the tools for that |
| 14:48.32 | arcsky | yes with ubuntu, fedora too.. |
| 14:48.42 | xoz | arcsky: use any debian-based livecd and use debootstrap |
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| 14:48.58 | WormFood | but why install the live CD? just install debian as normal, from the boot CD/over the internet |
| 14:49.08 | xoz | arcsky: even redhat you can use debootstrap |
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| 14:49.45 | WormFood | I love knoppix for testing and for showing off Linux to friends...and for a portable Linux system I can use, when I don't have my laptop...but I sure as hell wouldn't want it installed as my main OS on my hard drive. |
| 14:49.45 | arcsky | doesnt like CD |
| 14:50.12 | xoz | notest that debian supports many processors unlike ubuntu and other distros that are more focus to intel |
| 14:50.14 | WormFood | arcsky, what dosen't like CD? |
| 14:50.26 | enouf | install generic.all_generic_ide=1 or install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
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| 14:50.35 | WormFood | that is because most people have x86 type systems |
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| 14:50.47 | arcsky | I doesnt like CD |
| 14:50.51 | WormFood | only hard core geeks install Linux on everything with a cpu in it |
| 14:50.58 | arcsky | usb is faster |
| 14:51.05 | WormFood | arcsky, try using "/me" next time |
| 14:51.11 | WormFood | a usb cd is faster? |
| 14:51.15 | WormFood | usb is an interface |
| 14:51.18 | xoz | and debian is hardcore because it supports what? 12 hw? |
| 14:51.24 | WormFood | usb does not care what media is on the back side of it |
| 14:51.41 | WormFood | the newest debian is pretty impressive with its hardware support |
| 14:52.06 | WormFood | I'm currently running Linux on mips, arm, x86, ppc and....uh...I forget what else |
| 14:52.11 | xoz | no, the old debian has more hw than the current... of course netbsd has the most hw |
| 14:52.16 | enouf | your toaster |
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| 14:52.35 | xoz | debian is running in my brain |
| 14:52.38 | xoz | :) |
| 14:52.40 | enouf | !ports |
| 14:52.40 | dpkg | methinks ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 14:52.58 | WormFood | oh yeah...68040 |
| 14:53.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << wants to try debian-kfreebsd when its based on freebsd7.0 |
| 14:55.19 | xjunior | how do I run a full test on my HD? |
| 14:56.17 | arcsky | ok mr. correct |
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| 15:00.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am having a weird problem. the cd rom is not mounted automatically. everytime i insert a cd i need to click on Computer > CD-RW then the icon is visible in the desktop |
| 15:00.18 | rvalles | WormFood: 68040... on what platform? |
| 15:00.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : S |
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| 15:00.48 | WormFood | rvalles, old mac |
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| 15:01.50 | wm4 | does anyone know this bug: Linux freezes randomly at a certain very early point in booting (right after grub), and you have to retry 3 or 4 times until you finally succeed booting, but in normal operation, the systems runs stable |
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| 15:02.25 | WormFood | sounds like bad ram wm4, or perhaps you're overclocking |
| 15:02.28 | wm4 | WormFood: wouldn't the system then be unstable in normal operation? |
| 15:02.53 | WormFood | I would expect |
| 15:02.59 | wm4 | well it runs fine |
| 15:03.01 | WormFood | but booting is normal operation |
| 15:03.30 | WormFood | wm4, is there any difference between a cold boot, and a warm boot? (and by "cold boot", I mean a complete power off) |
| 15:03.33 | rvalles | WormFood: oh |
| 15:03.33 | skhaos | wm4: you better check your /var/log/messages |
| 15:03.35 | rvalles | WormFood: ok |
| 15:03.47 | skhaos | or type in dmesg | less |
| 15:03.52 | xoz | !memtest86 |
| 15:03.52 | dpkg | [memtest] http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn> |
| 15:03.56 | rvalles | envious (68030@50 at most... tho in A1200. Macs suck :P) |
| 15:04.04 | wm4 | skhaos: for what should I look? |
| 15:04.12 | wm4 | WormFood: no, I don't think so |
| 15:04.16 | WormFood | I think the mac has ok hardware, but their software sucks |
| 15:04.16 | skhaos | anything that doesn't look normal =P |
| 15:04.34 | xoz | wm4: /msg dpkg memtest86 |
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| 15:05.34 | xoz | wm4: or flaky motherboard |
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| 15:05.54 | wm4 | ok I'll try memtest86, but again, why would the system work normally past that early point in the boot stage? |
| 15:05.58 | rvalles | WormFood: software sucks, but hardware does too (no amiga custom chip awesomeness, but rather simple/minimal, leaving most of the work to the cpu) |
| 15:06.21 | wm4 | xoz: sure, for example I have a really shitty sata/ide controller, that didn't work before 2.6.26 |
| 15:06.35 | WormFood | I remember I had a motherboard that if you booted and ran the ram test on, it worked perfectly, but a soon as you stopped the ram test, it'd lock up....it had bad ram refresh circuit, and the memory test was acting like a software refresh....hahaha...that was so funny |
| 15:06.45 | rvalles | WormFood: amusing |
| 15:07.14 | wm4 | btw., when the system is frozen, I still can use sysrq |
| 15:07.24 | wm4 | but I can't seem to do anything useful with it |
| 15:07.31 | WormFood | then it clearly isn't frozen |
| 15:07.33 | rvalles | wm4: so interrupts still work. |
| 15:07.50 | wm4 | frozen as in it the boot process is... rozen |
| 15:07.51 | WormFood | at least, not completely frozen....you still have some control over it |
| 15:07.53 | wm4 | +f |
| 15:07.53 | twobitsprite | and the kernel is still loaded |
| 15:07.56 | xoz | wm4: can you ssh from another system? |
| 15:08.17 | wm4 | xoz: at that early stage? it's right after GRUB |
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| 15:08.40 | xoz | wm4: so check your memory |
| 15:09.07 | xoz | wm4: it maybe flaky |
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| 15:09.17 | enouf | WormFood: http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ |
| 15:09.17 | wm4 | there's also a difference between Linux versions |
| 15:09.31 | wm4 | for example, 2.6.27 almost works always, but I couldn't bring 2.6.28 to work yet |
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| 15:09.45 | wm4 | and 2.6.26 required a lot of reboots... |
| 15:09.46 | amartin83 | JanKundnder, no problem ;-) |
| 15:09.56 | xoz | wm4: what is again your model? cpu? motherboard? lspci? |
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| 15:10.50 | wm4 | CPU: "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz" |
| 15:10.52 | WormFood | enouf, why share that with me...I'm quite aware of that |
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| 15:11.17 | wm4 | motherboard not sure, but the first line lspci spits out is "00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)" |
| 15:11.28 | enouf | WormFood: <WormFood> wm4, is there any difference between a cold boot, and a warm boot? |
| 15:11.52 | WormFood | enouf, I was thinking more along the lines of peripherals....not ram |
| 15:11.53 | wm4 | enouf: I don't think there's a difference, but I better test it again later |
| 15:11.55 | xoz | wm4: check your bios config. you may have some tweaks there? |
| 15:12.00 | enouf | apologies if misguided |
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| 15:12.34 | wm4 | xoz: as far as I remember, no |
| 15:12.38 | xoz | wm4: you need to use system checks like memtest and other hardware test to know. also, the dmesg log. |
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| 15:12.49 | enouf | most BIOSes also offer quick/silent/fast boot options, which skips the RAM test |
| 15:13.14 | xoz | wm4: try disable most of the modules first... especially acpi or apic. |
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| 15:13.27 | enouf | and though it's hardly ever needed, afaict, it might do something specific in this case |
| 15:13.50 | xoz | wm4: and then try adding each. sometimes flaky modules are culprit. start with minimal system. even your inits. do a minimal boot. |
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| 15:14.21 | wm4 | is there a way to make the kernel display which modules are loaded from the initrd? |
| 15:14.34 | xoz | yes. there is a command |
| 15:14.36 | xoz | wait |
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| 15:15.02 | xoz | wm4: you can loopmount initrd image and check the content in /etc |
| 15:15.19 | Panarchy | !info gnome-devel |
| 15:15.19 | Panarchy | enouf: Panarchy: other nice source bldg things you might want, as staples; build-essential, devscripts, libc6-dev, fakeroot (et al) |
| 15:15.20 | xoz | wm4: blacklist most modules.... |
| 15:15.21 | dpkg | gnome-devel: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- development tools), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.22.2~5 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 15:15.27 | wm4 | the only suspicious line I see in dmesg is "[ 0.000000] AMI BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working it around." |
| 15:15.30 | xoz | wm4: try lsmod and take note of them |
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| 15:15.41 | xoz | wm4: yeah. try memtest86 |
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| 15:15.46 | Panarchy | [-Transcript saved-] |
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| 15:15.54 | enouf | Panarchy: you can /msg the bot too |
| 15:16.04 | xoz | wm4: often, this symptom is either motherboard or ram |
| 15:16.29 | Panarchy | enouf: Needed 2 lines, the one quoting you, and what the bot says |
| 15:16.31 | Panarchy | Now I have both! |
| 15:16.42 | xoz | goes for a movie spin... |
| 15:16.43 | enouf | wm4: how much system ram is installed? |
| 15:16.44 | wm4 | actually I'm quite sure my motherboard or BIOS is garbage |
| 15:16.49 | wm4 | enouf: 2GB |
| 15:16.51 | Panarchy | I'll get started on it... tomorrow (well Today as it's 2:16AM here) |
| 15:16.52 | enouf | Panarchy: ;-) |
| 15:16.58 | Panarchy | Thanks |
| 15:17.03 | enouf | wm4: using which debian arch? |
| 15:17.25 | Panarchy | goes to sleep |
| 15:17.26 | wm4 | enouf: uname -a outputs "Linux debian 2.6.27.9 #1 SMP Sun Dec 14 02:35:52 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux" |
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| 15:21.03 | wm4 | thanks for your suggestions, I will do some tests now |
| 15:21.55 | harry__ | trying to compile sox myself (lenny only has 14.0, need 14.2) but it has trouble finding a lib that's there: http://pastie.org/405969 - any ideas? |
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| 15:22.08 | harry__ | (interesting output is mainly in the bottom) |
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| 15:23.55 | nibbler | harry__: maybe i'm mistaken, but the libs are in /usr/local, but ldd does not show anything of usr/local.... |
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| 15:24.12 | abrotman | harry__: is /usr/local/lib/ in your ldconf ? |
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| 15:25.16 | harry__ | http://pastie.org/405975 - this is the content of ld.so.conf |
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| 15:25.38 | harry__ | looks about right to me |
| 15:25.47 | Hideme | I had a file named "sword" in my /root dir. No idea how it got there and it looked like a man page. Can anyone tell me what that's for? |
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| 15:26.49 | tvon | isn't sword some bible reading software, or something along those lines? |
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| 15:27.11 | jafn | hi all |
| 15:27.19 | jafn | how can i disable ipv6 on debian? |
| 15:27.28 | jafn | tcpv6? |
| 15:27.30 | nibbler | run ldconfig? |
| 15:27.37 | joltcan | !ipv6 |
| 15:27.37 | dpkg | i guess ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 15:27.49 | peope | Is there a more safe alternative for webmin? |
| 15:27.50 | nibbler | jafn: blacklist ipv6 |
| 15:28.04 | joltcan | jafn: that was the wrong article, google for ipv6 debian and you will find it |
| 15:28.23 | harry__ | nibbler: indeed that did it. |
| 15:28.51 | enouf | harry__: add that path (/usr/loca/lib) to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf ? and show me what echo $PATH says |
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| 15:29.22 | harry__ | enouf: /usr/local/lib already is in libc.conf, as stated earlier. ldconfig did it anyways. |
| 15:29.32 | harry__ | (and not sure what $PATH has to do with it?) |
| 15:29.49 | enouf | never saw earlier |
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| 15:30.41 | abrotman | libc.conf ? |
| 15:30.53 | shamrock | I just installed emacs-snapshot in Lenny. None of my emacs manual info links work anymore. Any ideas/pointers as to what I must do? |
| 15:31.02 | shamrock | (#emacs sent me here) |
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| 15:32.00 | abrotman | harry__: if you run ldconfig .. anything useful come of it ? |
| 15:32.37 | harry__ | abrotman: yep, nibbled proposed that, and it worked. |
| 15:32.38 | harry__ | thanks |
| 15:32.49 | abrotman | oh sorry .. i'm slow |
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| 15:46.47 | frido | hi |
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| 15:47.23 | frido | is possible to say udev "do not change" interfaces name when I change driver/card? |
| 15:47.48 | frido | novell has this.. |
| 15:47.50 | frido | # Open /etc/sysconfig/network/config for editing |
| 15:47.53 | frido | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.56 | frido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.00 | frido | # Change it to: |
| 15:48.04 | peope | Anybody know of a web-based frontend for exim? |
| 15:48.04 | frido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.28 | bkw | Running a seamonkey binary in lenny gives "error while loading shared libraries: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file" I've tried to install missing libs. But still it isn't working. Any ideas? |
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| 15:49.29 | joltcan | frido: let me google that for you: http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Udev:_Renaming_Network_Interfaces |
| 15:49.33 | peope | Maybe you need to run "ldconfig" as root? |
| 15:50.02 | smarf | hello, I have debian lenny, I see this: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3200/flashf.png, when a website contains flash. I've installed non-free flashplugin as well as mozilla flashplayer. Any ideas? |
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| 15:50.41 | frido | joltcan: this is not what I need |
| 15:51.00 | peope | smarf: What happens when you click it? |
| 15:51.04 | shamrock | Can anyone tell me what I need to do in Debian to get documentation for emacs-snapshot? |
| 15:51.57 | smarf | peope, in youtube for example, tries to play the video, but it doesn't(though it loads), but for example here: chesscube.com, I get nothing. |
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| 15:52.26 | peope | smarf: My guess would be that you still are using the free version of flash player |
| 15:52.40 | smarf | peope, hm, how can I check this out? |
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| 15:53.13 | peope | smarf:The way I would go about if I was rooot was to search for the free flash package and uninstall it |
| 15:53.38 | peope | But I am pretty sure there is a better way |
| 15:53.43 | peope | You can have both installed |
| 15:53.59 | smarf | aha, i see no other suggestion so i'll try it :D |
| 15:54.15 | peope | /etc/alternatives may contain good stuff too |
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| 15:54.34 | peope | Aswell as the options->applications in firefox |
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| 15:56.31 | smarf | peope, in firefox I get that I have the shockwave in. |
| 15:56.44 | smarf | x-shockwave-flash and futuresplash. |
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| 15:56.57 | Spectre | ah... |
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| 15:57.04 | peope | smarf: not sure what that means. Sorry |
| 15:57.04 | Spectre | I have installed alsa but sound doesn't work... |
| 15:57.10 | Spectre | it worked a few minutes ago |
| 15:57.15 | Spectre | does anyone know? |
| 15:57.53 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how do i get crypto for python under debian is there package or do need to install libwxgtk2.6-dev |
| 15:58.03 | bbelt16ag | er wrong paste on end |
| 15:58.09 | bbelt16ag | http://www.amk.ca/python/code/crypto |
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| 15:58.13 | peope | Spectre: what sound card do you have? |
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| 15:58.24 | Spectre | realtek |
| 15:58.25 | peope | Spectre: alsamixer ? |
| 15:58.37 | asilva | we scape of end word in 2003 lookin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK7eWEUwRDg |
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| 16:00.08 | asilva | NIBIRU IS NO MORE |
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| 16:00.31 | azeem | asilva: please keep it ontopic |
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| 16:00.43 | asilva | WHATS? |
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| 16:01.35 | asilva | azeem, hi |
| 16:01.48 | Edico | hi |
| 16:02.01 | asilva | i dont understand? |
| 16:02.02 | eye69 | How do I go about cloning the list of installed packages from one machine to another? I did --get-selections and --set-selections, but how do I "execute the installation" on the target machine? |
| 16:02.12 | jelly | asilva: the feeling is mutual. |
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| 16:02.31 | Edico | know someone a software that count lines of code? |
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| 16:02.46 | asilva | jelly, ?? |
| 16:02.51 | abrotman | Edico: grep + wc -l |
| 16:03.03 | jelly | asilva: ???? |
| 16:03.08 | Edico | but not to count blank lines |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | Edico: grep + wc -l |
| 16:03.23 | smarf | peope, meh, pebcak, I thought the plugin was installed but there was an authentication error that I didn't see! I installed it now and it's ok. |
| 16:03.32 | jelly | Edico: sloccount ? |
| 16:03.33 | smarf | thanks mate. |
| 16:03.39 | enouf | bbelt16ag: ~$ apt-cache search -n python crypt |
| 16:03.44 | peope | smarf: goodie :) |
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| 16:05.31 | enouf | !ping |
| 16:05.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:05.42 | enouf | !aptitude clone |
| 16:05.42 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserve information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall><things to backup> |
| 16:05.51 | enouf | eye69: ^^^^ |
| 16:05.55 | eye69 | enouf: Thanks. |
| 16:06.10 | enouf | eye69: or /msg dpkg selections |
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| 16:07.20 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how do i get python 2.2 installed on my system along with the newer version of python i got now like 2.4 |
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| 16:08.30 | enouf | abrotman: s/preserve/preserves/ in <aptitude clone> factoid |
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| 16:10.20 | bbelt16ag | well this sucks |
| 16:10.27 | Edico | thanks jelly |
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| 16:11.56 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 16:14.44 | bbelt16ag | i got it i think now found the damn package |
| 16:15.27 | enouf | bbelt16ag: lenny-backports has some python pkgs, if that's what you need - not sure |
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| 16:16.41 | enouf | they all seem jinja2 related though (whatever that is) |
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| 16:28.12 | WormFood | what is the best nfs server for Linux? is it the user space or kernel space server? (of course, "best" is subjective, so I'm really looking for suggestions) |
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| 16:29.55 | \amethyst | WormFood: well, the user-space server doesn't support locking |
| 16:29.56 | eye69 | WormFood: The kernel server is recommended AFAIK |
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| 16:30.11 | \amethyst | WormFood: so based on that along, I'd go with the kernel server. The speed benefit is a bonus |
| 16:30.11 | WormFood | ok, thanks guys |
| 16:30.16 | \amethyst | s/along/alone/ |
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| 16:30.37 | WormFood | yeah, I was thinking about the speed thing too....but maybe there is something I don't know about, which is why I asked |
| 16:31.02 | xoz | although if nfs is buggy, kernel is prone to hang |
| 16:31.21 | WormFood | I've used it in the past with no real problems |
| 16:31.24 | \amethyst | WormFood: the biggest advantage of the user-space server is that A. you can attach to it with a normal debugger and B. if it crashes it won't oops your kernel |
| 16:31.25 | xoz | while userspace is safer |
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| 16:31.42 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.48 | WormFood | I don't expect to use it most of the time |
| 16:31.59 | xoz | go for userspace |
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| 16:32.22 | xoz | unless it is slow for your usage |
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| 16:33.00 | rgr | is it not a bit of a security risk that sudo credentials last across x sessions? I just did some sudo stuff, and then restarted X. I opened a terminal to run aptitude using sudo and I didn't need to put in a password. It was still valid from my last x-session. |
| 16:33.12 | WormFood | I don't think it would be slow...I imagine the bottleneck would be the usb interface, because what I want to share out is on usb :( |
| 16:33.28 | WormFood | don't use sudo |
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| 16:35.26 | xoz | has to split screen in ipodtouch for irssi display to be decent |
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| 16:35.51 | TMM | hi all! |
| 16:36.00 | TMM | I was wondering if maybe someone here as ever tried to use debtakeover |
| 16:36.05 | TMM | and, if it actually works |
| 16:36.19 | TMM | my coloc provider doesn't want to outfit my new box with debian, but I really want debian :) |
| 16:36.41 | tvon | could make a chroot |
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| 16:37.38 | enouf | TMM: how about debootstrap ; or http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:38.01 | TMM | it doesn't have windows on it, but CentOS |
| 16:38.14 | TMM | and until they fix their packages (or redhat does) I really don't want to use that |
| 16:38.14 | enouf | choice a) then ;-) |
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| 16:38.45 | TMM | yeah, debootstrap over a running system |
| 16:38.49 | TMM | I'm not sure that's going to work very well |
| 16:39.01 | TMM | I don't have physical access to the box :) |
| 16:39.12 | jelly | rgr: oh noes, you logged in as the _very same user again_ and the credentials still worked? |
| 16:39.19 | enouf | practice elsewhere :-P |
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| 16:39.25 | TMM | well... I suppose I could make a debian chroot, then from that chroot debootstrap the 'real' / |
| 16:39.34 | TMM | then make sure I haven't fucked up the bootloader and reboot |
| 16:39.39 | TMM | *should* work |
| 16:39.54 | rgr | jelly: I assume you are being funny? |
| 16:39.54 | TMM | provided the server doesn't go down during the operation ;) |
| 16:39.55 | WormFood | TMM, sounds like my provider...those lame ass cocksuckers supported fedora untill there were no more security updates for fedora, then switched to centos as the only think up to day |
| 16:40.04 | tvon | not really worth the effor there, centos isn't *that* bad |
| 16:40.08 | WormFood | only thing* |
| 16:40.11 | rgr | The point is that its easy to NOT realise your credntials are still valid. |
| 16:40.18 | TMM | tvon: if you're used to debian, yes it's that bad |
| 16:40.28 | tvon | TMM: but if you are really going to try that, I'd try it on a virtual machine first |
| 16:40.30 | jelly | rgr: I'm trying to see where the security failure lies. |
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| 16:40.35 | WormFood | I find fedora frustrating as hell |
| 16:40.38 | rgr | Seems quite obvious. |
| 16:40.41 | TMM | tvon: yeah, installing a centos vm :) |
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| 16:41.05 | jelly | rgr: you still have to be the same user and log in in the 15 minute timeout. |
| 16:41.14 | enouf | rgr: there are ways to set time limits |
| 16:41.16 | TMM | I was wondering if anyone here had ever tried such a trick, and what their recommendations are |
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| 16:41.23 | WormFood | TMM, does your provider allow you to upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:41.29 | TMM | yeah, it's a physical box |
| 16:41.29 | rgr | And that is this : when I log into the desktop its like a new start. I normally have to start the synaptic/etc with a password. |
| 16:41.35 | rgr | yes, I know I can change timeouts. |
| 16:41.43 | rgr | but a session ending is a session ending. |
| 16:42.01 | jelly | rgr: if you killed your session with kill -9 -1, how would the system know to delete your credentials? |
| 16:42.03 | TMM | WormFood: just asked them if there are any proprietary modules in the kernels they use. if not, I'm just going to get centos and 'upgrade' to debian 5 |
| 16:42.05 | rgr | If you dont thinks os fine. Was just a shock to me. |
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| 16:42.29 | topside | Hey guys - I have an issue with a service (bind) stopping every night....there is no cron job stopping it either...anyone know of a way/hack to have the service say what triggered it to shutdown? |
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| 16:42.46 | WormFood | I ripped out rpm, and replaced it with apt-get...that is the most I did with my suck-ass server |
| 16:42.55 | jelly | rgr: oh, it broke your expectations of sudo being bound to a session. that makes sense I gues. |
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| 16:43.16 | abrotman | TMM: debtakeover hasn't been supported in awhile .. |
| 16:43.25 | xoz | rpm is a bad engineering |
| 16:43.34 | jelly | rgr: it's worse: you can log in on X, auth. sudo, then log in remotely via ssh and sudo _will work there as well_ |
| 16:43.36 | rgr | jelly: the fact is that I log in "new" and there is a live sudo "session". I dont think thats fine. *shrug*. |
| 16:43.41 | WormFood | rpm is a piece of shit |
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| 16:43.51 | jelly | WormFood: it's also offtopic. |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | that was helpful |
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| 16:43.59 | TMM | abrotman: how does my idea sound? |
| 16:44.03 | WormFood | indeed |
| 16:44.15 | abrotman | TMM: the way to do that is debootstrap .. at your own risk of course |
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| 16:44.37 | TMM | abrotman: debootstrap in /root/debian, mount --bind / /root/debian/target; chroot, debootstrap /target (in the chroot); fix anything that is broken ; reboot; pray |
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| 16:44.49 | Kronosz | hi |
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| 16:45.21 | jelly | TMM: you'll want to debootstrap in root of a mount point, not some subdirectory |
| 16:45.32 | wm4 | this is my /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, do you see anything that's missing?: http://rafb.net/p/JReU1k18.html |
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| 16:45.48 | whiskers- | themill: debian unstable is installable. |
| 16:45.55 | wm4 | my initramfs.conf has MODULES=list |
| 16:46.09 | nsadmin | wm4: missing why? |
| 16:46.10 | TMM | jelly: /root/debian/target is the 'real' root fs. the /root/debian is there because the debootstrap will at some point overwrite the 'real' glibc, and then I'm fucked |
| 16:46.19 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish |
| 16:46.20 | xoz | TMM: new partition for debootstrap |
| 16:46.33 | wm4 | nsadmin: when booting, the kernel times out on "Waiting for root file system ..." |
| 16:46.34 | whiskers- | nsadmin: howdy again. the lenny businesscard CD ISO worked to install debian sid |
| 16:47.00 | wm4 | wm4: when I change initramfs.conf to MODULES=most and clear modules, then it works |
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| 16:47.03 | mikeman1 | Hey guys have a Q: I am looking to automate a few browsers tasks, so I wanted to load up firefox and have it automatically fill out the needed data and submit form, I dont wanna post via php/perl/etc I'd like to have the actual browser do it. Anyone have an idea what language I could do that in? |
| 16:47.06 | nsadmin | whiskers-: oh, cool... so it installed the kernel from the cd? |
| 16:47.10 | wm4 | nsadmin: when I change initramfs.conf to MODULES=most and clear modules, then it works |
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| 16:47.42 | nsadmin | wm4: so in one case one or more drivers are missing |
| 16:47.49 | whiskers- | nsadmin: you get to pick the linux-image-* package you want, i simply chose linux-image-2.6.28-1. linux-image-686 (or something) isn't installable because it depends on linux-image-2.6.26 |
| 16:47.54 | whiskers- | (which is unavailable) |
| 16:47.56 | TMM | xoz: can't I have no spare room on the devices |
| 16:48.11 | wm4 | nsadmin: but which? I compared with lsmod on the running system, but can't find more drivers |
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| 16:48.21 | wm4 | nsadmin: drivers that would probably be needed |
| 16:48.34 | TMM | I'll try and do it my way in a VM, I'll let you guys know how it went ;) |
| 16:48.40 | TMM | if anyone cares, that is |
| 16:48.53 | wm4 | nsadmin: also, it clearly detects my root drive and reads the partitions from it... |
| 16:48.59 | foetus | now its workin.. |
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| 16:49.17 | nsadmin | what modules are necessary to use the root drive? |
| 16:49.17 | themill | whiskers-: not a pure sid on i386. A sid/squeeze mix, perhaps. |
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| 16:50.52 | \amethyst | mikeman1: there are FF automation extensions that might help, such as Selenium IDE, iMacros, CoScripter, and DejaClick |
| 16:50.53 | nsadmin | wm4: but what are you actually trying to accomplish? it must be more than "make it so it boots properly" |
| 16:50.55 | jelly | TMM: carry on. |
| 16:51.32 | \amethyst | mikeman1: probably you could write something yourself in JavaScript, but you'd need a FF guru |
| 16:51.33 | TMM | yeah, I have a pretty good idea of what I'll have to do |
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| 16:51.37 | wm4 | nsadmin: Linux 2.6.27.19 sometimes boots, and sometimes it times out with "Waiting for root file system"... 2.6.28 always times out... so I tried to find the error |
| 16:51.53 | vlt | Hello. What package does /usr/bin/cc belong to? |
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| 16:52.01 | whiskers- | themill: the sources.list on my system point to "sid" (only). system is up-to-date. please explain what you mean |
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| 16:52.13 | themill | whiskers-: there's no kernel in sid. |
| 16:52.51 | jelly | TMM: that bind mount above seems needless though. when I do debootstrap or image style installation, I just install debian somewhere, bind mount /proc /dev /sys, chroot, install the boot loader and that's it |
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| 16:53.14 | whiskers- | themill: define "kernel". are we talking image? because if so, check out: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 |
| 16:54.19 | craigevil | the kernel is there but neither linux-kbuild-2.6.28 or the modules , at least not when i checked last |
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| 16:56.21 | themill | whiskers-: that's new then. the kernel certainly wasn't there yesterday and nor is much of the rest of the kernel packages (like linux-image-2.6-686 is not installable). So, yesterday I would have been right, today I'm not. That's why we generally say you can't install sid... it's broken often enough that we're right more often than we're wrong. |
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| 16:56.54 | TMM | ok, running stage 1 of my plan :) |
| 16:57.14 | TMM | at least debootstrap works on centos |
| 16:57.16 | TMM | that's a start |
| 16:57.40 | whiskers- | themill: i believe linux-image-2.6-686 depends on linux 2.6.26 [which doesn't exist]. I wasn't trying to "prove you wrong", i'm sure i was half lucky (half unlucky) and I'm not contesting the fact that you probably know more about debian than me. I was just sharing my experience from *today* |
| 16:57.47 | whiskers- | .. in hope it would prove to be of interest. |
| 16:58.13 | themill | whiskers-: it's good news (for some) that sid is installable today :) |
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| 16:58.51 | whiskers- | i am one of those people :-) I'm glad I had trouble with the CD I burnt yesterday and decided to postpone everything until today ;-) |
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| 16:59.14 | whiskers- | it was meant to be |
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| 17:01.01 | roler | i have a pentium D 3.0ghz server. Should I be running a amd64 kernel on it? |
| 17:01.36 | phobos_anomaly | roler: I would, but thats a matter of preference |
| 17:01.57 | roler | phobos_anomaly: I just wanted to make sure it was 64bit. I think I read that some earlier pentium d's weren't |
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| 17:02.26 | phobos_anomaly | roler: nearly every pentium d that I'm aware of is 64 bit |
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| 17:02.56 | Hideme | I had a file named "sword" in my /root dir. No idea how it got there and it looked like a man page. Can anyone tell me what that's for? |
| 17:03.15 | roler | phobos_anomaly: so if i install linux-image-2.6-amd64 and reboot I should be good right? :) |
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| 17:04.05 | jelly | Hideme: you mistakenly typed "ssword<ENTER>" in a less session? |
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| 17:04.15 | phobos_anomaly | roler: if your on a 32 bit os and install the 64 bit kernel, then its hit and miss. |
| 17:04.24 | jelly | Hideme: s command in less logs the output to a file |
| 17:04.39 | foetus | amd64 for dualcore?? |
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| 17:05.00 | Hideme | jelly Mmmm don't ever recall typing that. |
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| 17:05.33 | jelly | Hideme: middle-click pasting in the wrong terminal/screen/whatever? |
| 17:05.58 | roler | phobos_anomaly: so that means I have to upgrade my packages? |
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| 17:06.20 | jelly | Hideme: well, if you recall every keystroke you typed in as root, good for you. |
| 17:06.25 | Hideme | jelly now that is more likely. |
| 17:06.25 | phobos_anomaly | roler: that means it would be safer and easier to download the 64bit install image |
| 17:06.41 | jelly | Hideme: (it's functionally equivalent) |
| 17:06.57 | Hideme | thanks |
| 17:07.30 | roler | sigh. well since it's a remote server I guess i'll leave it alone |
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| 17:07.41 | markl_ | any idea which package to load to get this file: linux/netfilter/nf_nat.h |
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| 17:08.27 | cahoot | I'd guess linux-headers |
| 17:08.40 | jelly | markl_: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:08.57 | foetus | i w'd guess too.. |
| 17:08.58 | markl_ | jelly: compile some software that wants to include that file |
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| 17:09.06 | jelly | markl_: which software? |
| 17:09.11 | markl_ | miniupnpd |
| 17:09.38 | markl_ | ok i'll grab linux-headers, thanks |
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| 17:10.02 | xoz | or install auto-apt |
| 17:10.20 | foetus | USR/SRC/LINUX/NET/NETFILTER -- this is the kernelsource. |
| 17:10.22 | jelly | markl_: is it better than linux-igd? |
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| 17:10.48 | markl_ | jelly: what is linux-igd? |
| 17:10.54 | jelly | judd: info linux-igd |
| 17:10.55 | judd | jelly: linux-igd (net): is optional; Version: 1.0+cvs20070630-2; Size: 32.3k; Installed: 144k -- Linux UPnP Internet Gateway Device |
| 17:11.09 | jelly | markl_: an UPnP daemon, basically. |
| 17:11.16 | markl_ | i don't see igd in the repositories |
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| 17:11.29 | jelly | judd: versions linux-igd |
| 17:11.31 | judd | jelly: linux-igd -- etch: 0.cvs20060201-1.1 lenny: 1.0+cvs20070630-2 sid: 1.0+cvs20070630-2 squeeze: 1.0+cvs20070630-2 |
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| 17:11.46 | markl_ | cool thanks |
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| 17:14.11 | oliva | hi there ... I four cluster nodes connected to the same SAN, I would like to share a logical dirive for the home directories. But if I mount the logical drive on two nodes modifcation on one host are not available on the second. The SAN is a IBM ds400. |
| 17:14.58 | oliva | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.09 | TMM | well centos is now definately gone, and my debian chroot is still going strong |
| 17:15.11 | TMM | so, that's good :) |
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| 17:16.13 | jelly | oliva: you'll probably get more answers in a high-availability or cluster related channel |
| 17:16.22 | oliva | thanks jelly |
| 17:16.42 | oliva | jelly: know any? |
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| 17:17.24 | jelly | oliva: uh, get a list of channels and search for "cluster"? |
| 17:17.30 | ma3x | how do i put in .bashrc script.sh to be executed? |
| 17:17.40 | jelly | oliva: #linux-cluster and #linux-ha sound interesting |
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| 17:17.48 | jelly | there are more. |
| 17:17.51 | xoz | ma3x: . /path/script.sh |
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| 17:18.07 | oliva | jelly: obliged |
| 17:18.15 | jelly | cheers |
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| 17:19.13 | ma3x | why isn't xmodmap working for the console? |
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| 17:19.26 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 17:19.50 | jelly | ma3x: it's an X11 tool. |
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| 17:20.02 | ma3x | haha |
| 17:20.02 | ma3x | alright |
| 17:20.08 | ma3x | so how do you remap keys in the console |
| 17:20.27 | theholyduck | console-tools :P |
| 17:20.30 | theholyduck | install em and use em |
| 17:20.51 | theholyduck | SHOULD be something there for that |
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| 17:21.39 | jelly | theholyduck: are you sure? is it console-tools? kbd? console-setup? |
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| 17:22.13 | theholyduck | well i have use it for changing keymaps and fonts. |
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| 17:22.26 | theholyduck | i never used it for remapping keys. but it should be able to |
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| 17:24.29 | ma3x | i have an entry like this in /etc/console-tools/remap : keycode 233 = Next |
| 17:24.32 | ma3x | but it's not working, why? |
| 17:25.20 | theholyduck | ma3x, should be something like #s/keycode 58 = Caps_Lock/keycode 58 = Control/; |
| 17:25.25 | theholyduck | it uses sed :P |
| 17:25.43 | theholyduck | you know only without the # at the start |
| 17:26.14 | theholyduck | ma3x, but really i dunno :P |
| 17:26.18 | theholyduck | i havent used it for that. ask google |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 17:26.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 17:26.58 | theholyduck | abrotman, but thats not what he wants to do :P console-tools let you remap on the fly :P |
| 17:27.04 | theholyduck | without having to create a new keymap |
| 17:27.10 | abrotman | he didn't say that ? |
| 17:27.26 | theholyduck | abrotman, he wants to rebind a key from 1 thing to the other i thought :P |
| 17:27.37 | abrotman | oh wait .. i forgot the :P to make me seem like i know what i'm talking about |
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| 17:27.58 | theholyduck | ;( |
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| 17:30.09 | jelly | :P # hey, it works |
| 17:30.13 | hyper_ch | hi there, I got a couple of questions about the debian sources: (1) what exactely is the volatile repo? (2) there are no local mirrors of the security updats? |
| 17:30.25 | jelly | !volatile |
| 17:30.25 | dpkg | somebody said volatile was a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 17:30.42 | hyper_ch | jelly: thx :) |
| 17:31.07 | TMM | well, with some refinements this is actually going to work |
| 17:31.19 | TMM | I have a 'clean' debian system, but networking didn't come up, and I made an error with grub |
| 17:31.25 | jelly | hyper_ch: volatile tracks a very small number of packages that are useless if you're not running the very latest version. antivirus, for example. |
| 17:31.31 | TMM | jelly: this looks possible! :D |
| 17:32.00 | hyper_ch | jelly: I just enabled everything in lenn... volatile only shows as "main" and none of the others. does contrib and non-free exist there? |
| 17:32.25 | jelly | TMM: that's what I thought when I tried to debootstrap into a ramfs, reformat the raid array underneath me, and restore the system |
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| 17:32.58 | jelly | hyper_ch: it very likely doesn't |
| 17:32.58 | hyper_ch | jelly: ok, they do :) and security updats aren't mirrored onto local mirrors? |
| 17:32.59 | TMM | jelly: I mounted /boot twice, and I made a typo in /etc/network/interfaces. retry! :) |
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| 17:33.42 | jelly | hyper_ch: right, it's not. security.debian.org is a round-robin dns entry. |
| 17:34.08 | jelly | lets TMM get bitten in the ass by z25 |
| 17:34.14 | hyper_ch | jelly: one last question - there are no official backport repos? |
| 17:34.27 | hyper_ch | I see proposed-updates |
| 17:34.31 | enouf | i told ma3x all that yesterday - sigh |
| 17:34.59 | jelly | hyper_ch: right. _however_, backports.org packages are done by debian developers, so they might have a semblance of stability. |
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| 17:35.32 | hyper_ch | jelly: thx for the info :) now I can finish the tool |
| 17:36.12 | enouf | jelly: it's 70 now! :-) |
| 17:36.14 | jelly | hyper_ch: proposed-updates are possible inclusions/fixes to stable packages. however nothing guarantees they'll really get in stable at any point in the future. |
| 17:36.32 | jelly | enouf: It'll always be z25 to me. |
| 17:36.40 | enouf | nods |
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| 17:37.02 | hyper_ch | jelly: well, I only use debian on a server, so default packages & security are fine.. however someone asked me if I could also make my "ubuntu" tool for debian :) |
| 17:37.27 | valdyn | jelly: 12:13 <ranju_> I have tried rebooting my system but my grub had failed with an error 17 |
| 17:37.37 | jelly | hyper_ch: my boss likes enabling proposed-updates. I don't. Both positions can be thought as valid, esp. if you check the updates before installing. |
| 17:37.37 | TMM | jelly: trying again, documenting every step now |
| 17:38.06 | hyper_ch | jelly: well, on a desktop I don't see why not enabling them... on a server I don't ;) |
| 17:38.33 | jelly | hyper_ch: I regularly add volatile if I need a package from it (ie. if I need clamav on that machine ;-) |
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| 17:38.55 | ma3x | enouf: it didn't work i tried to change the remap file, yet no effect |
| 17:38.58 | hyper_ch | jelly: :) |
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| 17:39.03 | jelly | valdyn: failboat |
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| 17:40.08 | enouf | ma3x: does showkey work when you press both keys? |
| 17:40.15 | jelly | TMM: as long as you don't upload it as a tutorial on your blog and let millions of newbs hose their oh-so-slightly different system by following the steps blindly! |
| 17:40.18 | TMM | jelly: the really annoying thing is that there is quite a large 'point of no return' phase, where if your connection gets cut, you' |
| 17:40.20 | TMM | re screwed |
| 17:40.23 | wm4 | how do I change the root device that update-grub enters into /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 17:40.42 | jelly | TMM: I like serial consoles and remote management. |
| 17:40.46 | wm4 | for example, it passes root=/dev/sda2 to the kernel... how to change this? |
| 17:40.47 | TMM | jelly: it's on my wiki, and I started the page with 'this is likely to hose your machine' |
| 17:41.07 | enouf | wm4: see #kopts= |
| 17:41.18 | ma3x | enouf: exactly when i press both keys it doesn't work |
| 17:41.32 | jelly | TMM: these days, $employer is buying only machines that can be powered on/off, console access and booted from a remote ISO image |
| 17:41.44 | enouf | ma3x: so, how would remapping into nothing ever work? |
| 17:41.58 | TMM | jelly: that's what I tell all my customers too :) but this is for my coloc box ;) |
| 17:42.04 | enouf | wm4: also note; #groot= |
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| 17:43.16 | jelly | TMM: ah. Well, lots of cheapo (supermicro?) server motherboards have IPMI remote-mgt capabilities that supposedly do most of that stuff. |
| 17:43.16 | enouf | wm4: and all those other really weirdly phrased #options, like #allow-changes ... and shit |
| 17:43.37 | TMM | jelly: this is a some hp thing, but it's RAC stuff isn't connected |
| 17:43.42 | TMM | DRAC? |
| 17:43.44 | TMM | whatever |
| 17:43.50 | jelly | TMM: :-( HP's is called iLO |
| 17:43.52 | TMM | ow, hp has iLO |
| 17:44.15 | jelly | TMM: ask them to connect it. Is muy good. |
| 17:44.24 | TMM | I have to pay extra for that |
| 17:44.26 | TMM | quite a bit too |
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| 17:45.03 | jelly | TMM: naturally, it's an extra port on the switch (or extra configuration on the same port)! |
| 17:45.16 | wm4 | enouf: if you don't mind explaining, what exactly does kopt and groot do? |
| 17:45.32 | TMM | jelly: they also have to pay a license for it to HP |
| 17:45.40 | TMM | jelly: and yeah, another cable, another IP, and another port |
| 17:45.48 | enouf | wm4: the comments tell you |
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| 17:46.10 | wm4 | enouf: it didn't rewrite the entries as expected, it put the usual parameters there |
| 17:46.11 | enouf | wm4: the # in front of each are not comments |
| 17:46.22 | enouf | wm4: the ## lines are |
| 17:46.25 | int80_h | is there an apt package for psycopg2 ? |
| 17:46.31 | enouf | in that automagic area |
| 17:46.31 | wm4 | what |
| 17:46.33 | jelly | TMM: hm, depends on the model; some have basic iLO enabled by default. This gives us serial console on ssh, and it has bios/setup redirection |
| 17:46.40 | int80_h | because I am failing to use apt-get to install it |
| 17:46.49 | wm4 | enouf: you are telling me lines with # are not comments, but ## are? what the fuck |
| 17:46.55 | enouf | yes |
| 17:46.58 | TMM | jelly: well, I'll just see if this'll work |
| 17:47.04 | enouf | read the file! |
| 17:47.08 | wm4 | enouf: who did come up with this? it's horrible |
| 17:47.09 | TMM | jelly: good for the heart, a bit of excitement :) |
| 17:47.18 | enouf | wm4: i know |
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| 17:47.28 | TMM | jelly: failing that I'll just ask them what it would cost extra for them to plonk a cd in that thing and install me a debian |
| 17:47.28 | jelly | !+tell int80_h -about search |
| 17:47.28 | dpkg | told int80_h about search. |
| 17:47.43 | wm4 | enouf: but I understand why, I guess it's a hack for update-grub |
| 17:47.59 | enouf | wm4: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 17:48.05 | jelly | int80_h: at the very least, "apt-cache search psycopg" |
| 17:48.30 | enouf | wm4: this is my Valid/processed line; # kopt=root=/dev/hdd1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic |
| 17:48.35 | wm4 | enouf: I read that as "don't just uncomment it, be sure to edit it for your needs first" |
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| 17:48.51 | wm4 | enouf: sure I should have read more carefully, but this seems just to be confusing on purpose |
| 17:48.58 | wm4 | whoever did that needs a good slapping |
| 17:49.08 | enouf | !slap grub authors |
| 17:49.08 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across grub authors's face |
| 17:49.10 | jelly | wm4: you're not the only one. |
| 17:49.18 | wm4 | the best is that kopt etc. are not in the grub docs |
| 17:49.26 | wm4 | (naturally) |
| 17:49.52 | goauld_ | what is lapic ? |
| 17:49.53 | jelly | wm4: the install-grub script and those "special" comments have always stricken me as a Debian addition |
| 17:50.27 | wm4 | it makes me want to cry out OH GOD IS IT HORRIBLE |
| 17:50.28 | enouf | local apic |
| 17:50.31 | jelly | "hey, let's make comments into a syntax, why use a separate config file!" |
| 17:50.32 | wm4 | /rant |
| 17:50.55 | jelly | !comfort wm4 |
| 17:50.55 | dpkg | There, there, wm4. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:51.02 | wm4 | thanks |
| 17:51.02 | enouf | goauld_: see /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 17:51.13 | goauld_ | ok |
| 17:51.28 | wm4 | now let's see if 2.6.28 kernel works, back to testing |
| 17:52.31 | hyper_ch | jelly: can you test something for me? |
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| 17:54.47 | corinth | nm-applet scans and finds my wireless network correctly, but I can't connect to my network. It correctly askes for my WEP key, and after entering it, it hangs on "Waiting for Network Key for the wireless nework [my network]" . Debian Lenny, using kernel 2.6.28.7 |
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| 17:57.37 | jelly | hyper_ch: ? |
| 17:58.31 | rgr | corinth: I dont know what the officia line is but I find wicd to be far more reliable than nm-applet. Your mileage might vary. |
| 17:58.38 | TMM | jelly: Enough disclaimers? :) https://wiki.tmm.cx/index.php/Installing_Debian_on_a_system_from_another_distro |
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| 17:59.55 | amphi | TMM: generally, one only needs one - "O Liability! I do disclaim thee!" ;) |
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| 18:00.32 | gaintsura_ | yar! |
| 18:01.21 | narhen | Ok, I have problems. I can't get java to work. I have followed the instructions on javas web-site. But with no luck. |
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| 18:01.38 | narhen | I'm running lenny x64 |
| 18:01.48 | narhen | can anyone please help me? |
| 18:01.48 | tralala | narhen, jave is included in debian. All you have to do is install it. |
| 18:01.53 | TMM | amphi: well, I want to discourage people from trying to just follow this thing to the letter and then spam my inbox with 'you SUCK!' messages |
| 18:01.54 | corinth | rgr, I don't think that nm-applet is the issue. I think that Debian isn't using the correct driver. |
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| 18:02.08 | narhen | tralala: with apt-get install java? |
| 18:02.14 | tralala | !java |
| 18:02.14 | dpkg | i heard java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 18:02.45 | narhen | !install java |
| 18:02.45 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 18:03.08 | amphi | TMM: sure |
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| 18:07.46 | jelly | TMM: heh |
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| 18:09.30 | corinth | nm-applet scans and finds my wireless network correctly, but I can't connect to my network. It correctly askes for my WEP key, and after entering it, it hangs on "Waiting for Network Key for the wireless nework [my network]" . Debian Lenny, using kernel 2.6.28.7 |
| 18:09.38 | TMM | jelly: clear enough? ;) |
| 18:11.16 | jelly | TMM: I'm not going to use it, that's for sure |
| 18:12.00 | TMM | jelly: understandable :P but you said to be sure that no nieuwbies would be using this to hose their systems. I figured I really can't do anymore than this |
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| 18:12.21 | TMM | jelly: I think it's a bit too useful to not publish |
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| 18:16.29 | progenitus | Hi everybody |
| 18:16.42 | progenitus | Does the Debian 5.0 KDE iso come with KDE 3.5 or 4.1? |
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| 18:17.33 | avu | progenitus, 3.5.10 |
| 18:17.38 | progenitus | :D |
| 18:17.42 | progenitus | thank you very much |
| 18:17.53 | progenitus | I probably have found my new love |
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| 18:19.17 | sladi | Hi! I want to upgrade nvidia drivers to version 180.29. m-a auto-install says 173 kernel already exists. Should I write 180.29 instead of ${version} which is written in the wiki? |
| 18:20.13 | progenitus | sladi, you might want to install them directly from the nvidia servers. the installer will compile new modules for you |
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| 18:22.23 | wm4 | WormFood, enouf, xoz: do you remember my problem earlier? I had random hangs at boot time... it seems that this was caused by udev/hal/whatever changing the naming of my harddisks SOMETIMES... it swapped my sda and sdb; I solved it by replacing all device names by labels |
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| 18:23.05 | sladi | progenitus: Thanks, but I wanted to avoid that. :) |
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| 18:25.38 | ewet | hi, what is the way to preserve the value set in /proc/sys/vm/swappiness or values set in the /proc tree in general? |
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| 18:26.02 | TMM | ewet: /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 18:27.20 | ewet | TMM: okay thank you :) |
| 18:27.26 | TMM | ewet: np |
| 18:27.56 | wm4 | is there a renice command that accepts process names? |
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| 18:28.54 | TMM | wm4: not that I know of, but you can use pgrep in combination with renice to achieve the same effect |
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| 18:29.07 | amphi | wm4: or pidof |
| 18:29.15 | TMM | or that |
| 18:29.43 | narhen | still can't get java to work |
| 18:29.49 | wm4 | I see... renice reads all arguments after the priority as pid... |
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| 18:33.13 | narhen | !java lenny |
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| 18:33.17 | narhen | !java |
| 18:33.17 | dpkg | java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 18:33.31 | tralala | narhen, msg the bot |
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| 18:34.54 | wm4 | Sun's Java still isn't "free"? weird |
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| 18:35.18 | sylar | is there a way to know what is the optimal CPU cache for my system? |
| 18:35.19 | hark | there's openjdk |
| 18:35.32 | enouf | wm4: very nice - thanks for the update |
| 18:36.28 | enouf | wm4: not sure if a bug report is warranted? not using a debian kernel, were/are you? If so, please file a bug report - thank you |
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| 18:37.17 | wm4 | enouf: it was a debian kernel (but I also tried with self built ones), and I'm not sure at all if this is a bug |
| 18:37.35 | wm4 | enouf: is naming of devices supposed to be deterministic? |
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| 18:38.14 | enouf | wm4: well, it's not supposed to be broken :-P |
| 18:38.41 | enouf | wm4: i mean, it might be a udev bug, or some version of a udeb within the installer |
| 18:38.52 | enouf | wm4: try reportbug-ng pkg |
| 18:39.04 | enouf | or just regular reportbug |
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| 18:40.18 | enouf | wm4: i thought all new Lenny and up installers were using root=UUID= or root=LABEL= already from grub1 menu.lst entries |
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| 18:40.26 | wm4 | enouf: all it did was to swap two disk names sometimes; the swapping is probably caused by race conditions when inserting the modules, and it also was kernel dependent... and since one of them is connected by sata and one by pata, I'm not sure if it can name the devices deterministically at all |
| 18:40.34 | wm4 | enouf: my system is a bit old |
| 18:40.46 | enouf | wm4: not as old as mine :-P |
| 18:41.01 | wm4 | actually, I already used labels in fstab... just not in grub |
| 18:41.11 | amphi | heh, deschutes |
| 18:41.19 | enouf | wm4: buggy BIOSes are a real issue - User error when using buggy BIOSes == moreso :-) |
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| 18:41.40 | enouf | amphi: shush you! |
| 18:41.42 | enouf | :-p |
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| 18:41.51 | wm4 | also, I have to see if hibernate/uswsusp works... have to test later, but there seemed to be a problem |
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| 18:42.19 | wm4 | enouf: while my BIOS is absolutely sucky, it didn't seem to cause problems this time |
| 18:42.27 | enouf | wm4: well, that file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf? or whatever has usually a RESUME=/dev/sda2 or whatever |
| 18:43.12 | enouf | and .. then you run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` or update-initramfs |
| 18:43.44 | wm4 | enouf: I did that... probably, I was using an outdated initrd or so |
| 18:43.48 | enouf | i forget if you also need a resume=/dev/xxx on your kernel "cat /proc/cmdline" |
| 18:44.06 | wm4 | I haven't, and this used to work |
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| 18:44.22 | wm4 | it seems the resume script just reads the initrd... |
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| 18:44.48 | enouf | wm4: well .. i confess - i'm confused - please work it out in your head, then decide - bug reports help us fix shit ;-) |
| 18:44.58 | eurythmia | I'm trying to set up a MIPS toolchain so that I can cross-compile. Are there any debian packages for this, or a debian way to do it, or do I have to grab the GCC source and build my own toolchain? |
| 18:45.24 | enouf | wm4: and i've never used any hibernate/suspend/resume/uswsusp/s2ram,disk |
| 18:45.38 | wm4 | enouf: I still think it's not a bug... although it sure could cause a lot of problems for other people, who still use device names instead of labels |
| 18:45.43 | amphi | swsusp has always been good to me |
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| 18:46.06 | enouf | wm4: if not a bug, then user error? or .. half+half ? |
| 18:46.06 | wm4 | by the way, is suspend2 still not in the main kernel? |
| 18:46.44 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/power/ |
| 18:46.47 | wm4 | enouf: hm.. let's say, stupid udev/hal/whatever behavior and clueless user |
| 18:46.50 | enouf | that's .26 .. so |
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| 18:47.40 | enouf | amphi: you and your stinkpads! |
| 18:47.54 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:48.02 | amphi | heh - how's yours, BTW? |
| 18:48.37 | enouf | amphi: ya know? i gave it back, .. it's just sitting there - doing nothing - i could do something with it, if i wanted to invest |
| 18:48.48 | amphi | uhuh |
| 18:49.02 | amphi | it wasn't a great one in any case |
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| 18:49.19 | enouf | amphi: and that's b/c, the owner still hasn't made a final decision of worthiness - but also, wouldn't mind if i fixed 'er up myself and used it awhile |
| 18:49.30 | amphi | a greyish sheep at best |
| 18:49.31 | enouf | amphi: i know :-/ |
| 18:49.42 | enouf | amphi: but .. twas my first ..real .. craptop |
| 18:49.51 | enouf | (to play with) |
| 18:49.51 | amphi | heh |
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| 18:50.23 | enouf | amphi: still -- really well built - i can feel it |
| 18:50.59 | enouf | the display is a bit .. er .. wonky for today's standards, but viewable .. would be nice with a real nice display |
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| 18:51.05 | amphi | good keyboard? |
| 18:51.10 | enouf | oh yeah |
| 18:51.15 | gigo | can I launch a run box just like Windows' start > run in a key stroke? |
| 18:51.19 | enouf | and i LOATHE craptop keyboards |
| 18:51.28 | gigo | what I want is a dialog box that would popup whenever I wish and I can run a command from there. |
| 18:51.37 | wm4 | can anyone comment on the stability of the latest nvidia-glx driver in debian unstable (180.29-1)? |
| 18:51.44 | enouf | amphi: the clit took a bit getting used to, but i managed to make her happy ;-) |
| 18:51.49 | unixSnob | That "Networking Settings" gui tool needs to have a popup warning telling users that it will trash the /etc/networking/interface file if there are wifi roaming profiles |
| 18:52.03 | sladi | Is there a way to tell m-a to prefer the sid version of nvidia? I want to upgrade to 180.29. |
| 18:52.06 | amphi | enouf: it's great IMHO - I can't stand the pads |
| 18:52.11 | NTAuthority | gigo: depends on the desktop environment... IIRC both gnome and kde knew alt+f2 |
| 18:52.26 | gigo | yes, alt+f2 works |
| 18:52.37 | rdz | hi all. i have windows xp and debian lenny installed on my portable computer on 160GB hdd and i would like to upgrade the hdd to a 500GB one. is there some easy way to transfer everything 'as it is' to the new disk, for instance with 'dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive' or is that unlikely to work? |
| 18:52.47 | wm4 | sladi: my guess would be to force apt-get to install the correct version of nvidia-glx... like apt-get install nvidia-glx=version |
| 18:52.51 | enouf | amphi: indeed - that thing confuddled me, with '3' buttons/pads? wtf? the bottom one was for certain broser internet crap? |
| 18:53.09 | TMM | rdz: that is extremely like to work :) you might have to reinstall your bootloader afterwards though |
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| 18:53.15 | sladi | wm4: Thanks, I'll try that. :) |
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| 18:53.36 | enouf | amphi: anyways, ##ibmthinkpad for anymore (to be polite to channel) |
| 18:53.43 | amphi | enouf: it's just a normal three-button pointing device, altough it'll do seven-button emulation, which is nice |
| 18:53.44 | wm4 | sladi: and the package nvidia-kernel-source... I think |
| 18:54.05 | amphi | enouf: or #d-o |
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| 18:54.11 | enouf | amphi: sure |
| 18:54.15 | rdz | TMM, can i do that from debian cd ? and is it possible to extend the / partition of debian (ext3) from cd in order to use the new space? |
| 18:54.21 | amphi | on the other network ;) |
| 18:54.42 | enouf | tight |
| 18:54.46 | enouf | er right |
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| 18:55.11 | sylar | is there a command that count the number of unique processes? |
| 18:55.27 | TMM | rdz: that depends entirely on your partition layout. partitions have to use continuous space, so if your / partition is the last partition on your drive, then yes. Otherwise, not so much |
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| 18:55.58 | enouf | rdz: all depends on how your disk1 is setup partition wise - adn how you setup disk2 |
| 18:56.04 | TMM | rdz: unless you had the foresight to use LVM, then it's easy |
| 18:56.12 | rdz | TMM, how lucky i am.. it is at the end.. |
| 18:56.17 | enouf | rdz: besides reinstalling the bootloader, partimage migh be for you |
| 18:56.36 | rdz | enouf, that is a program? |
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| 18:56.39 | enouf | yes |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | !info partimage |
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| 18:57.15 | enouf | rdz: but there are many other ways, dd, rsync, tar (.gz), etc etc |
| 18:57.32 | rdz | enouf, the bot doesn't seem to respond.. however, i found it in the repos |
| 18:57.32 | cesar_CR | guys why when I try aptitude install xulrunner-1.9 it says that it will eliminate gnome ??? |
| 18:57.34 | TMM | rdz: in that case you can use partimage to resize your partition. Or, you can remove your partition with fdisk, create a NEW partition at the exact same start sector (should be the default) and then use resize_e2fs, xfs_growfs or the reiser equivalent |
| 18:57.34 | enouf | dpkg: hurry up! |
| 18:57.35 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
| 18:57.41 | enouf | heh |
| 18:57.46 | rdz | enouf, TMM many thanks.. it seems to be much easier than i expected.. |
| 18:57.53 | enouf | rdz: she will - give her time |
| 18:58.15 | enouf | rdz: 13:52:13] [dpkg] Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:58.16 | rdz | enouf, okok.. |
| 18:58.30 | TMM | rdz: if you're comfortable using fdisk, that's probably the quickest option. Just be sure to record the start sector before you remove the partition and be sure that the new larger partition has the same start sector |
| 18:58.47 | enouf | rdz: well - sure, apt-cache show <pkgname> works too - if your updated |
| 18:58.51 | enouf | you're |
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| 18:59.05 | rdz | TMM, you mean you would first write the partition table and then cp each partition? |
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| 18:59.41 | enouf | rdz: listen, do this; sfdisk -d /dev/sda > ./partition-table-backup |
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| 19:00.01 | enouf | replace sda with correct /dev/name |
| 19:00.09 | rdz | enouf, great.. then i can apply the partition table to the new disk.. i think i get it.. many thanks |
| 19:00.16 | enouf | rdz: yes, and no |
| 19:00.27 | enouf | rdz: the newer disk geom is very different |
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| 19:00.30 | rdz | enouf, aha.. then i do not understand |
| 19:00.37 | enouf | but you'll alwyas have the original |
| 19:00.39 | rdz | enouf, i see |
| 19:01.09 | enouf | rdz: you could even dd if=/dev/sda of=./1st-64-sectors |
| 19:01.11 | enouf | wait |
| 19:01.13 | rdz | enouf, i won't touch the original disk anywa.y.i think when i perform this mission, i mount the original disk read only |
| 19:01.18 | enouf | rdz: you could even dd if=/dev/sda of=./1st-64-sectors count=64 |
| 19:01.32 | rdz | enouf, with blocksize of what? |
| 19:01.33 | enouf | righto - ro, is good |
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| 19:01.40 | enouf | rdz: dd defaults to 512 |
| 19:01.43 | rdz | ok |
| 19:01.44 | enouf | bytes |
| 19:01.58 | el_critter | Hi, is there a way to "fake" a printer device? My bank is forcing me to generate a "paper token" printed directly to a physically attached printer in my computer in order to use online banking. The problem is that I have no printer. |
| 19:02.00 | enouf | faster copying if you use bs=4M .. however |
| 19:02.02 | xoz | how come sftp transfer is faster than AFP or samba? |
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| 19:02.12 | enouf | you may end up off a cylinder boundary |
| 19:02.35 | rdz | enouf, is that bad, if i end off a cylinder boundary? |
| 19:03.08 | enouf | rdz: for MBR backup only (which includes the Maser PArttition table) use dd if=/dev/sda of=./MBR-backup count=1 |
| 19:03.15 | wm4 | why do debian built kernel packages (with make-kpkg) always output this line when installing: "Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk." "Depreciation WARNING: use update-initramfs(8)" |
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| 19:03.33 | enouf | rdz: it could be - but a fsck should fix it - but no guarantees |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | el_critter: print to PS ? |
| 19:03.58 | rdz | enouf, ok i see..yeah.. i won't lose anything anyway... so i just try.. thanks for all your input.. very valuable |
| 19:04.08 | enouf | wm4: i guess mkinitramfs-kpkg is being out-phased |
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| 19:04.25 | enouf | rdz: attaboy/gal ;-) |
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| 19:04.45 | enouf | wm4: seen the changelogs?install apt-listchanges |
| 19:04.55 | el_critter | abrotman: the bank runs an applet that detects attached printers |
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| 19:05.19 | enouf | wm4: seen man kernel-img.conf? and the file saame named in /etc/ ? |
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| 19:05.58 | wm4 | enouf: no... and I guess I have no clue. I was just wondering |
| 19:06.29 | wm4 | as long as it works... |
| 19:06.47 | enouf | ugh [14:01:13] [dpkg] FIXME: files//debian/Packages-sid-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
| 19:09.10 | enouf | rdz: realize things get more complicated once you involve LVM, or mdadm, or crypt or any combo - the methods i mentioned are for typical DOS Partition table types |
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| 19:09.46 | enouf | rdz: but, those items have their own tools/utils/methods |
| 19:10.37 | enouf | rdz: Ext'd partitions (with logicals) is what usually messes everything/one up .. if only Primaries exist, it's usually a cakewalk |
| 19:12.26 | plsd | If I found a bug in package in Ubuntu and reported it in Launchpad and I see the bug is in the same package in Debian, should a file a bug report for Debian too? |
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| 19:12.56 | enouf | plsd: please do - they either will be merged or ... |
| 19:13.01 | Guerin | plsd: yes, please. Provide a cross-reference to the ubuntu bugreport. |
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| 19:13.18 | plsd | enouf, Guerin, ok will do. thanks! |
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| 19:13.27 | enouf | plsd: and point to the launchpad refeerence - thanks |
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| 19:13.37 | enouf | is late |
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| 19:15.02 | dga | i installed debian with the noapic nolapic boot option and it worked, but after some reading it seems as if i shouldn't do this on a dualcore system. could it be that the kernel in lenny is too old and doesn't support it or that my BIOS and/or hardware implementation of IO-APIC/LAPIC is messed up? in any case, I guess i'll just try installing one of the daily netinstalll builds. |
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| 19:18.48 | DigitalSith | If I wanted to update the kernel in lenny without compiling my own could I install a kernel from say sid? |
| 19:18.48 | blade | hi all, question how i can use Wol with debian ? (wake on lan) |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | dga: it can be a messed up bios .. |
| 19:18.54 | abrotman | !wol |
| 19:18.55 | dpkg | [wol] Wake on LAN, powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/ http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile See also http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan |
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| 19:19.07 | abrotman | DigitalSith: you can try it |
| 19:19.14 | DigitalSith | lmao yeah I figured |
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| 19:21.08 | DigitalSith | I thought maybe I could enable sid, install kernel 2.6.28, disable sid, and hold the kernel |
| 19:21.19 | dga | abrotman: are you suggesting i should disable wol? |
| 19:21.21 | enouf | dga: installed 'which debian' ? and acpi=off could be worse than noapic (which also includes nolapic IINM) which ARCH? |
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| 19:21.37 | abrotman | dga: read the last link |
| 19:21.45 | abrotman | dga: .. that wasn't for you .. sorry |
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| 19:22.03 | enouf | dga: you need to go through your bios settings with a fine toothed comb, enable AHCI if there for sata, etc |
| 19:22.07 | gigo | $ emacs --font Monospace ==> No fonts match `Monospace' - why this error? how to fix it? |
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| 19:23.10 | enouf | dga: how much RAM? what's your I/O Memory remap hole set to in BIOS .. etc etc? |
| 19:24.14 | dga | enouf: i installed the i386 version of lenny on a dell inspiron 1501 |
| 19:24.27 | dacs | along other issues this is the most buggin me since i upgrade from etch -> lenny http://debian.pastebin.com/d1474a861 |
| 19:24.51 | dacs | ^^this is my wireless keyboard, how can i fix this please?! |
| 19:24.52 | enouf | dga: is that a laptop? |
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| 19:25.31 | dga | enouf: yes |
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| 19:25.54 | enouf | dga: poke around /msg dpkg laptop (urls) |
| 19:26.17 | gigo | emacs man page says that the fonts are present in /usr/lib/X11/fonts but there is no such directory in my debian |
| 19:26.17 | enouf | but, Dells .. don't ask .. it won't be nice |
| 19:27.01 | enouf | as a matter of fact, that applies for almost all OEMs |
| 19:27.10 | dga | hehe |
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| 19:27.39 | enouf | Why aren't laptops sold "modularly"? like Desktops are? |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | maybe you should get a thinkpad .. they work |
| 19:28.03 | dacs | enouf: what do you mean ? |
| 19:28.11 | enouf | ... |
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| 19:28.35 | dacs | http://debian.pastebin.com/d1474a861 how can i fix this please |
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| 19:28.59 | el_critter | thanks, bye! |
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| 19:29.14 | [[MARLBORO]] | ~Ç9I T7LÇ |
| 19:29.18 | ater | hi, can you recommend a nice light writing program? open office is too big and abiword too buggy for me |
| 19:29.23 | enouf | i mean ; ok, the LCD/Display -- sure .. but the carcas should be easily modularized |
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| 19:29.24 | EmleyMoor | dacs: What are you pressing? |
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| 19:29.39 | tralala | ater, vim |
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| 19:30.12 | ater | tralala: something normal people can use easily |
| 19:30.22 | enouf | ater: vim |
| 19:30.26 | tralala | I consider myself a normal person |
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| 19:30.28 | ater | you guys are funny |
| 19:30.29 | blade | someone can help me to enable wake on lan with debian etch ? please |
| 19:30.30 | ater | yes |
| 19:30.35 | ater | but you know what i mean ;) |
| 19:30.46 | simonrvn | !ops Zeliha20- on-join spam |
| 19:30.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Zeliha20- on-join spam |
| 19:30.48 | dacs | EmleyMoor: when ever i press ctrl or shift i believe , i didn't pay attention to that, and when i am remotely connected, it doesn;t do it. |
| 19:30.50 | simonrvn | sorry... |
| 19:30.53 | enouf | blade: you want the etherwake or othernamed pkg |
| 19:30.56 | simonrvn | sorry... |
| 19:31.12 | tralala | ater, there's koffice, kate, emacs... and so on. Also lyx. |
| 19:31.15 | blade | enouf i cant find etherwake |
| 19:31.16 | Brusca | debian doesnt boot correcly yet. (kernel panic, cannot open root device or unknown block(0,0)). Probably wrong kernel root parameter in grub. Is there a way to see find out which root device i should specify in GRUB? And can I look at the complete boot log? Now it scrolls down automatically and I cannot read the above part.. |
| 19:31.17 | enouf | blade: ethtool - i ethX to see WOL settings |
| 19:31.40 | blade | enouf apt-get ethertool no results |
| 19:31.50 | blade | ethtool too |
| 19:31.54 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search wake on lan |
| 19:32.13 | Ace2017_- | how do i force an fsck on a partition other than / i tried touching forcefsck but it didn't check it, it only checked root |
| 19:32.16 | enouf | wakeonlan - Sends 'magic packets' to wake-on-LAN enabled ethernet adapters 1 |
| 19:32.29 | enouf | etherwake - A little tool to send magic Wake-on-LAN packets 2 |
| 19:32.40 | dga | abrotman: you recommend thinkpads? |
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| 19:33.00 | enouf | blade: try using debian ; or /msg dpkg installit |
| 19:33.13 | EmleyMoor | dacs: Have you tried a different keyboard? |
| 19:33.15 | tralala | dga, I would. IBM made ones. |
| 19:33.19 | blade | enouf apt-get install etherwake error message |
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| 19:33.32 | adb | http://new.jambel.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9:wake-on-lan-midlet&catid=2:software&Itemid=11 |
| 19:33.36 | blade | but error is in german how i can change language to paste here ? |
| 19:33.41 | enouf | Ace2017_-: make the other non-root ones 2 |
| 19:33.51 | tralala | blade, LANG=C <command> |
| 19:34.12 | enouf | aye |
| 19:34.20 | blade | Package etherwake is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:34.20 | blade | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:34.20 | blade | is only available from another source |
| 19:34.20 | blade | E: Package etherwake has no installation candidate |
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| 19:34.26 | enouf | ... |
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| 19:34.32 | blade | sorry |
| 19:34.38 | dacs | EmleyMoor: yes when i use my wired keyboard , that stuff doesn't show up |
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| 19:34.44 | ater | hm, koffice is huge like open officce |
| 19:34.49 | enouf | blade: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:35.13 | enouf | judd versions etherwake |
| 19:35.14 | judd | enouf: etherwake -- etch: 1.09-1 lenny: 1.09-2 sid: 1.09-2 squeeze: 1.09-2 |
| 19:35.15 | Ace2017_- | enouf: what? |
| 19:35.25 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 19:35.30 | enouf | Ace2017_-: in /etc/fstab |
| 19:35.31 | Ace2017_- | thouch forcefsck2? |
| 19:35.35 | EmleyMoor | dacs: Hmmm... something to do with your wireless keyboard then... not sure what you could do about that |
| 19:35.35 | enouf | no |
| 19:35.36 | dacs | EmleyMoor: i mean , its like a Cisco router/switch, that will bitch about everything |
| 19:36.01 | enouf | Ace2017_-: your / FS entry should be 0 1 ..all others 0 2 |
| 19:36.07 | tralala | dacs, have you changed batteries recently? |
| 19:36.17 | Ace2017_- | the pass options are 0 1 2 3 in which is the order in which i want them checked |
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| 19:36.25 | dacs | tralala: yes |
| 19:36.26 | enouf | blade: i am helping you - please don't PM me |
| 19:36.29 | simonrvn | blade: don't be sorry, just don't do it, then you won't have to be sorry. |
| 19:36.38 | hark | ater: you can install kword alone |
| 19:37.01 | blade | what i can do now to install etherwake enouf ? |
| 19:37.03 | enouf | Ace2017_-: not the way i understand it |
| 19:37.22 | enouf | blade: i don;t know ... be patient |
| 19:37.25 | EmleyMoor | blade: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:37.29 | EmleyMoor | ~pb |
| 19:37.29 | apt | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste, or , http://bin.cakephp.org/ |
| 19:37.38 | blade | apt says etherwake is not avaiable |
| 19:37.38 | apt | blade: okay |
| 19:37.46 | ater | hark: it depends on ~50MB of libs i don't yet have installed |
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| 19:38.00 | enouf | Ace2017_-: AFAIK. only 0 1 2 are valid options for field 6 |
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| 19:38.18 | enouf | and i can tell you Ace2017_- for sure, my other partitions DO get a fsck |
| 19:38.22 | sladi | wm4: Yes, I only had to update nvidia-kernel-source and run m-a. I also had to tell apt-get to get the unstable glx. :) |
| 19:38.35 | blade | EmleyMoor i cant paste here (kick) |
| 19:38.42 | EmleyMoor | pasteBIN! |
| 19:38.48 | enouf | Ace2017_-: also check what /etc/default/rcS says about FSCKFIX= |
| 19:38.48 | blade | pasteBin ? |
| 19:38.56 | wm4 | speaking of that... |
| 19:38.59 | EmleyMoor | ~pb |
| 19:38.59 | apt | [~pb] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste, or , http://bin.cakephp.org/ |
| 19:39.06 | simonrvn | read |
| 19:39.12 | wm4 | can anyone comment on the stability of the latest nvidia-glx driver on Debian unstable? |
| 19:39.15 | Ace2017_- | maybe jfs does a very fast forcefsck? |
| 19:39.23 | blade | ahh ok |
| 19:39.30 | blade | whait a moment pls i pastebind source.list |
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| 19:39.35 | enouf | Ace2017_-: i have logs in /var/log/fsck/* |
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| 19:39.39 | simonrvn | Ace2017_-: it replays the log/journal by default.... |
| 19:39.49 | enouf | Ace2017_-: i also have bootlogd enabled |
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| 19:40.22 | simonrvn | "wait" |
| 19:40.52 | enouf | wm4: concerning your mkinitramfs-kpkg deprecation question; maybe you need a newer kernel-package pkg? |
| 19:41.00 | blade | http://paste.lisp.org/display/76420. |
| 19:41.04 | hark | ater: yes, just saying you don't have to download the full koffice |
| 19:41.06 | Ace2017_- | i'll test it now and brb |
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| 19:41.15 | blizzkid | lo all. I stumbled upon http://www.planetsurfer.net/2008/06/05/use-a-cheap-digital-picture-frame-as-a-secondary-display/ and happen to have such a device, so I downloaded the files, but... I'm clueless as to how to get the firmware on the device. Any help? |
| 19:41.25 | enouf | wm4: my bad ; initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 19:41.29 | wm4 | enouf: newer? I'm already using Debian unstable, I think that's as new as iot can get |
| 19:41.42 | wm4 | *it |
| 19:42.00 | enouf | wm4: then reportbug, just not too severe priority |
| 19:42.13 | gigo | how do I install xfontsel ? |
| 19:42.25 | enouf | gigo: find it, install it |
| 19:42.29 | blade | EmleyMoor --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/76420 |
| 19:42.37 | gigo | enouf, couldn't find it. |
| 19:42.42 | EmleyMoor | blade: You... grrr, patience! |
| 19:42.48 | enouf | !tell gigo -about search |
| 19:42.53 | blade | sry :) |
| 19:42.53 | EmleyMoor | blade: You are still on etch |
| 19:42.59 | blade | yes |
| 19:43.13 | wm4 | gigo: x11-utils: /usr/bin/xfontsel |
| 19:43.57 | EmleyMoor | etherwake should be there |
| 19:44.00 | enouf | blizzkid: /msg dpkg lenny firmware |
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| 19:44.32 | enouf | crap |
| 19:44.55 | EmleyMoor | blade: Do aptitude update and try again |
| 19:45.00 | blade | ok |
| 19:45.26 | enouf | dammit - 15 - 30 |
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| 19:45.58 | blizzkid | enouf: "no idea" |
| 19:46.09 | blade | EmleyMoor --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/76421 |
| 19:46.25 | EmleyMoor | No, I didn't mean pastebin that again |
| 19:46.26 | enouf | !installer firmware |
| 19:46.27 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) firmware either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html |
| 19:46.30 | enouf | bam |
| 19:46.38 | hark | blade: pastebin the outputs of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy login |
| 19:46.41 | EmleyMoor | blade: aptitude install etherwake |
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| 19:46.46 | enouf | blizzkid: see ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 19:47.14 | blizzkid | hmmmz, that's not really what I need enouf |
| 19:47.21 | enouf | sorry |
| 19:47.23 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I see |
| 19:47.37 | enouf | blizzkid: is it a .deb ? |
| 19:47.47 | enouf | or a .fw ? |
| 19:48.01 | blizzkid | enouf: no, it's a couple .lst and .bin |
| 19:48.03 | blade | EmleyMoor ok with aptitude install etherwake is not installed |
| 19:48.09 | enouf | blizzkid: o m g |
| 19:48.16 | blade | but how not work with apt-get install its not the same command ? |
| 19:48.19 | enouf | blizzkid: use windows ;-) |
| 19:49.02 | EmleyMoor | blade: Ok - pastebin those outputs hark asked for |
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| 19:49.06 | blizzkid | enouf: are you kidding me? are these windoze files? |
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| 19:49.15 | blade | ok |
| 19:49.17 | blade | one moment pls |
| 19:49.39 | enouf | blizzkid: how would i know? |
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| 19:49.53 | enouf | blizzkid: they are NOT debian .debs though |
| 19:50.03 | blizzkid | enouf: coz you say "use windows" :-p |
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| 19:50.16 | blade | hark --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/76422 |
| 19:50.25 | blizzkid | enouf: I am using linux long enough to know about deb's ;) |
| 19:50.28 | enouf | well .. there are .bin files on my debian |
| 19:50.38 | sladi | wm4: 180.29 works fine so far. There are nice new AA modes it seems. |
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| 19:50.49 | sladi | wm4: I have a 8600GT. |
| 19:50.54 | enouf | blizzkid: i ca't read every tutorial and figure out what fucked up crap they say |
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| 19:51.06 | xingu | ahahahah |
| 19:51.11 | xingu | the 65c02 lives again! |
| 19:51.13 | hark | blade: ok, you've got some messed up pinning going on there |
| 19:51.27 | blade | ? |
| 19:51.28 | enouf | !wb xingu |
| 19:51.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! xingu has returned! |
| 19:51.34 | wm4 | sladi: I have a 8500 GT, and it works here as well |
| 19:51.40 | blizzkid | enouf: it's not even a tutorial, it's just someone saying he did something ;) |
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| 19:51.44 | xingu | enouf: those picture frames evidently are 65c02's :) |
| 19:51.48 | blade | hark ehm what you mean sorry me english ist not the best :) |
| 19:51.52 | wm4 | sladi: the interesting thing is if it stays like that, or if you get surprise bugs after some time |
| 19:51.52 | enouf | blizzkid: then ask them |
| 19:52.10 | hark | blade: did you follow some instructions for installing flash (from the wiki maybe?) |
| 19:52.15 | blizzkid | xingu: you seem to know them ;) |
| 19:52.20 | enouf | xingu: 65xxxx is a number to me only :-P |
| 19:52.28 | blade | yes |
| 19:52.30 | blade | why ? |
| 19:52.48 | sladi | wm4: Well there are some horror stories about the 64bit version locking up after some time. I use 64bit and hope for the best. :) |
| 19:52.51 | enouf | alphanumetric even |
| 19:52.51 | hark | blade: was it the debian wiki? |
| 19:53.14 | danilom | can i buy a domain in godaddy and register it in afraid.org to use a dynamic ip? the changes are made automatically? |
| 19:53.21 | xingu | oh man, how could you not know about 65c02!!!! |
| 19:53.22 | blade | debian wiki ? |
| 19:53.28 | enouf | can't fix everything .. sorry |
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| 19:53.40 | enouf | xingu: i suck? |
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| 19:53.43 | hark | blade: nm, get rid of the preferences file and run an update |
| 19:54.00 | xingu | powered the apple iie, the bbc master, the lynx, god knows what else |
| 19:54.15 | enouf | ... xerox? |
| 19:54.17 | blizzkid | xingu: so if you know so much about that magical number... any idea as on how to get the firmware on that thing? ;-) |
| 19:54.19 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 19:54.55 | enouf | amiga? |
| 19:55.08 | simonrvn | !m68k |
| 19:55.09 | dpkg | i guess m68k is Motorola 680x0 CPU family, used in Macs, Ataris, Amigas, Palm machines, older Sun workstations, and various VME bus systems. linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models, or http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html or #debian-68k on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:55.20 | blade | hark apt-get update ? |
| 19:55.33 | hark | blade: yes |
| 19:55.37 | enouf | who cares - it's old shit ;-) like the founders of the US Constitution - dead and rotting |
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| 19:55.52 | xingu | blizzkid: wiki talks about phrack |
| 19:56.00 | blade | hark done, now ? |
| 19:56.11 | enouf | xingu: i have a old world mac - you want it? |
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| 19:56.12 | blizzkid | enouf: it's in a lot of these new picture frames |
| 19:56.26 | hark | blade: try to install etherwake now |
| 19:56.36 | enouf | blizzkid: i don;t know what a "picture frame" is |
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| 19:56.55 | blizzkid | xingu: I have seen that, but I didn't find how to use phrack with the files I downloaded |
| 19:56.57 | xingu | blizzkid: http://sitronix-dpf.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sitronix-dpf/trunk/st2205tool/README?view=markup |
| 19:57.08 | xingu | blizzkid: when in doubt, read the README |
| 19:57.09 | blade | hark, ok etherwake is installed, i hafe to configure now ? |
| 19:57.26 | blizzkid | let me check that link xingu |
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| 19:57.37 | enouf | blizzkid: see /etc/ether* or something |
| 19:57.57 | enouf | blizzkid: dpkg -l etherwake |
| 19:57.59 | enouf | er |
| 19:58.04 | enouf | blizzkid: dpkg -L etherwake |
| 19:58.04 | hark | blade: see /usr/share/doc/etherwake/ |
| 19:58.15 | blizzkid | xingu: I did read _that_ readme, but all I get is "no pictureframe there" |
| 19:58.32 | xingu | blizzkid: maybe yours isn't supported. |
| 19:58.48 | hark | blade: also you have duplicate mirrors in your sources.list. you don't need them all |
| 19:59.01 | blizzkid | xingu: it's the same as the pixika and innovage-generic |
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| 19:59.52 | xingu | blizzkid: is your /dev/sd... 2MB (4096 512-byte sectors per dmesg) |
| 20:00.20 | blade | ups i think is installed but is not :( |
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| 20:00.30 | blizzkid | xingu: |
| 20:00.34 | blizzkid | [34764.132532] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access SITRONIX MULTIMEDIA 0.09 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS |
| 20:00.36 | blizzkid | [34764.209354] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] 4096 512-byte hardware sectors (2 MB) |
| 20:00.51 | blade | hark http://paste.lisp.org/display/76425 |
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| 20:01.17 | hetOrakel | hi, any bluetooth guru's inside? |
| 20:01.21 | enouf | blade: i meant "ethtool ethX" before , not -i |
| 20:01.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.55 | hark | blade: did you remove the preferences file first? |
| 20:02.03 | blizzkid | xingu: I missed one thing and feel utterly stupid now.... I have two terminals open: one as user, and one as root... hear me coming? ;-) |
| 20:02.07 | enouf | blade: replcae X with eth0 or whatever |
| 20:02.39 | blade | ethtool command not found |
| 20:02.47 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 20:02.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:02.48 | enouf | blade: install it |
| 20:03.02 | xingu | blizzkid: hahahhahahahaha |
| 20:03.14 | enouf | ethtool: /usr/sbin/ethtool |
| 20:03.23 | xingu | blizzkid: just so long as it's working now ;) |
| 20:03.31 | blade | aptitude not find ethtool |
| 20:03.43 | enouf | !love dlocate |
| 20:03.43 | dpkg | makes love to dlocate, caressing dlocate's hair, whispering sweet nothings in dlocate's ear... |
| 20:03.59 | xingu | blizzkid: now if one of these spoke bluetooth, I have a bunch of interesting applications for it |
| 20:04.10 | enouf | blade: try installing Debian |
| 20:04.28 | blade | ? |
| 20:04.35 | blade | i hafe debian installed |
| 20:04.51 | simonrvn | and doesn't find ethtool? |
| 20:04.53 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:05.07 | blade | i think i hafe wrong sources.list |
| 20:05.08 | hark | enouf: he's messed up his pinning ... http://paste.lisp.org/display/76422 |
| 20:05.18 | simonrvn | Priority: optional |
| 20:05.18 | simonrvn | Section: utils |
| 20:05.45 | simonrvn | blade: it would seem so |
| 20:05.47 | hark | blade: did you remove the preferences file? |
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| 20:06.44 | simonrvn | blade: that's a simple yes or no question |
| 20:06.47 | blizzkid | xingu: the firmware update seems to have gone ok, but phack -l doesn't upload the image (yes, tried as root and as user ;)) |
| 20:06.59 | enouf | blade: do this; dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | less |
| 20:07.01 | blade | what preference file you mean ? |
| 20:07.11 | enouf | blade: nm the less ... pastebin output |
| 20:07.18 | simonrvn | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:07.18 | xingu | blizzkid: this is too cool ;) on the image load, intuition says - check the image res/size. |
| 20:07.35 | xingu | blizzkid: bearing in mind please I've never touched one of these things |
| 20:08.07 | blade | http://paste.lisp.org/display/76427 |
| 20:08.18 | xingu | blizzkid: so the funny thing is these displays are cheaper than the typical lcd panel |
| 20:08.24 | blizzkid | xingu: I just tried the test.png that comes with st2205tool |
| 20:08.52 | blizzkid | xingu: it'd be ideal to show some notifications, and that for just â¬15 |
| 20:08.55 | blizzkid | :-D |
| 20:08.58 | xingu | blizzkid: maybe you have to reboot running the new firwmware? |
| 20:09.04 | blizzkid | tried that |
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| 20:09.11 | hark | blade: yeah, just remove the file. that's just messed up |
| 20:09.16 | xingu | blizzkid: oh yeah, the whole 9, I'm thinking of otherwise headless htpc application |
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| 20:09.51 | Brusca | can I update to GRUB2 from the debian installer or do I have to reinstall the entire OS to do this? |
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| 20:10.40 | blizzkid | hmmmz, why doesn't the image load while no error is thrown... |
| 20:11.27 | enouf | blade: and blizzkid i am totally confused about who's got which issue now :-( |
| 20:11.32 | hgosch | can someone tell me how can i configure my wireless card on netinstall? |
| 20:11.33 | blade | im confused |
| 20:11.42 | blade | what hafe flash to do with ethtool ? |
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| 20:11.47 | enouf | !confuse me and blade |
| 20:11.47 | dpkg | No, how was their mushroom today, me and blade? shirts of the republic of belarus with extra cream |
| 20:12.15 | hark | Brusca: : in expert mode iirc |
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| 20:12.48 | blade | with apt i cant get ethtool i can download directly from here ? http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/ethtool/download |
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| 20:12.59 | blade | but how i can install .deb file manually ? |
| 20:13.18 | hark | gives up |
| 20:13.39 | fyn | Trying to go upgrade etch->lenny, the release notes say apt-get install apt will upgrade my libc6 but it doesn't, it just complains that it's old, why? |
| 20:14.02 | xingu | blizzkid: try "setpic" ? |
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| 20:14.26 | simonrvn | because it's old |
| 20:14.38 | fyn | Only have three repos, main, source and security, all set to lenny and apt-get update has been run. |
| 20:14.57 | blizzkid | xingu: setpic... let me see |
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| 20:15.07 | blizzkid | setpic? |
| 20:15.11 | fyn | simonrvn: It's not just that it's old, it says the new one won't be installed: apt: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is to be installed |
| 20:15.22 | blade | hark ? |
| 20:15.32 | hgosch | do someone know how can i configure my wireless card on netinstall? |
| 20:15.36 | blizzkid | btw, xingu phrack -m works, so it must be something with the pic |
| 20:15.41 | xingu | blizzkid: in svn phrack's -l option is actually commented out |
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| 20:16.23 | xingu | blizzkid: comment is // v2.0 - moved to setpic |
| 20:16.26 | simonrvn | fyn: apt-get install aptitude and use that via the ui, it has much better dep resolution. do you have something blocking it too, like a /etc/apt/preferences file? |
| 20:16.50 | fyn | simonrvn: nope, checked the prefs file and it doesn't even exist let alone pinning anything |
| 20:17.18 | fyn | simonrvn: i'm familiar with apt though and don't know aptitude, leery of new tools during crucial upgrades :S |
| 20:17.23 | blizzkid | xingu: that's cool, but i checked out svn... hmmz, let me try to find setpic |
| 20:17.31 | simonrvn | aptitude will do a better job of it... |
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| 20:18.09 | fyn | simonrvn: ...okay, i'll give it a go since i'm already on irc so i can ask you guys in case it gets weird. |
| 20:18.30 | enouf | setpci ? |
| 20:18.32 | fyn | simonrvn: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is to be installed |
| 20:18.37 | simonrvn | you read the release notes |
| 20:18.39 | TMM | jelly: it's booting! :D |
| 20:19.01 | jelly | /o\ |
| 20:19.13 | fyn | simonrvn: yup, got them up onscreen. i would have just done dist-upgrade as per usual but i'm being real careful this time since i only have ssh access to this headless machine |
| 20:19.21 | Rioting_Pacifist | anybody now how to configure how to use kpowersave to use hibernate-ram instead of pm-suspend or pm-utils to call the correct flags on s2ram? |
| 20:19.21 | TMM | jelly: https://wiki.tmm.cx/index.php/Installing_Debian_on_a_system_from_another_distro |
| 20:19.22 | enouf | ~$ man setpic |
| 20:19.23 | enouf | No manual entry for setpic |
| 20:19.41 | jelly | setpic ~/goatse.jpg |
| 20:19.41 | dga | ;wg 3 |
| 20:19.45 | xingu | enouf: it's part of this suite of stuff for these photo frames |
| 20:19.56 | simonrvn | i've done an etch->lenny upgrade via ssh. if you have a 2.6 kernel above .8 it should be fine |
| 20:19.59 | enouf | maybe ... it's a way to steal the trolls' meals ;-) |
| 20:20.05 | enouf | oh |
| 20:20.07 | xingu | I'm still chuckling over the idea of an lcd photo frame having an apple iie's cpu :) |
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| 20:20.26 | blizzkid | xingu: no setpic as far as my eyes reach |
| 20:20.26 | simonrvn | weird, innit |
| 20:20.27 | fyn | simonrvn: hrm, i did an upgrade once on etch before switching to leny resources and it did a minor kernel rev which i haven't rebooted for since it's just going to change kernels again. there's no way that could pin libc6 ... or would it? |
| 20:20.29 | xingu | I wonder if they've got any sound capability |
| 20:20.42 | fyn | simonrvn: er sources not resources :) |
| 20:20.45 | jelly | xingu: it runs a MOS 6502 compatible somewhere? |
| 20:20.45 | simonrvn | fyn: uname -r |
| 20:21.01 | xingu | blizzkid: http://sitronix-dpf.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sitronix-dpf/trunk/st2205tool/?pathrev=8 |
| 20:21.11 | enouf | thank goodness someone's chuckling, i started sobbing about 10-15 mis ago |
| 20:21.12 | fyn | simonrvn: it's 2.6.18-5 but has had -6 installed yet not booted |
| 20:21.18 | xingu | blizzkid: navigate to setpic, pick main.c, view |
| 20:21.32 | simonrvn | fyn: doesn't matter. take care of that when you can. |
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| 20:21.46 | xingu | jelly: yup aka st2205/st2205u |
| 20:21.50 | blizzkid | xingu: I'll download the tarball :) |
| 20:21.51 | jelly | xingu: url! |
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| 20:22.04 | xingu | jelly: http://picframe.spritesserver.nl/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 20:22.16 | enouf | goes off and hides under the nearest shell .. |
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| 20:22.41 | jelly | phuck yeah. |
| 20:22.51 | fyn | simonrvn: so ya, installing apt or dpkg both want a new libc6 and it says it won't get it for me. if i -s install libc6 it says it wants to go for gcc and a fewe thousand other pkgs... |
| 20:23.07 | xingu | blizzkid: actually belkin I think sell w-usb hubs... hrm... :) |
| 20:23.17 | orion_X11 | I have a 64bit amd athon x2 processor. but I installed i386 arch. Would it be better to have installed multi-arch in this machine? When is it advisable to install multi-arch? |
| 20:23.18 | simonrvn | fyn: yes, that's normal... |
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| 20:23.26 | simonrvn | let it do its job |
| 20:23.54 | fyn | simonrvn: so i don't actually need to install apt first, i should install libc6 and then apt/dpkg and then upgrade and then dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:24.38 | simonrvn | just do the dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.45 | fyn | simonrvn: heh :) |
| 20:24.56 | fyn | simonrvn: actually, it seems someone put aptitude on this box |
| 20:24.59 | Rioting_Pacifist | orion_X11: with less than 4gigs of ram it makes little difference to choose between i386 and x86_64 afaik i386 will run on all your cores |
| 20:25.12 | simonrvn | well then you're golden (not shower :P) |
| 20:25.20 | fyn | simonrvn: so i'll follow your advice and the advice of the release notes (which you wrote for all i know) and use that |
| 20:25.24 | fyn | simonrvn: also, ew. |
| 20:25.32 | fyn | simonrvn: thanks though, good talk :) |
| 20:25.47 | xingu | jelly: it's just *begging* for some mame love isn't it :) |
| 20:25.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:26.12 | xingu | jelly: manic miner on a 3.2" frame |
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| 20:27.45 | jelly | I'm thinking presents, custom firmware with SURPRISE GOATSE |
| 20:28.01 | orion_X11 | Rioting_Pacifist: But, at boot time I notice that it says: "using 1 processor", while it should say I think: "using 2 processors". |
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| 20:28.37 | xingu | jelly: lol |
| 20:28.38 | plsd | I have Unicode as character encoding in Iceweasel but I can't see some character, like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons#2channel_style and the same goes for japanese characters in files on my computer, in Nautilus that is, which I used to be able to see in Ubuntu. Anyone know what I need to do? |
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| 20:29.17 | jelly | "do not look at after midnight" |
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| 20:29.55 | xingu | jelly: could have all sorts of fun if you sent a few 10,000's out in a corporate promo |
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| 20:30.22 | xingu | jelly: take buttfaxing to a whole new plane of existence |
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| 20:30.30 | jelly | you really shouldn't have given me that idea |
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| 20:31.26 | simonrvn | plsd: missing fonts |
| 20:31.36 | blizzkid | xingu: don't you just love it when the steps in a README are incorrect? |
| 20:32.03 | jelly | xingu: with pricing these things have, I could likely sway our marketing people to give them away with DSL or something |
| 20:32.04 | xingu | blizzkid: submit a patch ;) |
| 20:32.17 | plsd | simonrvn, oh guess there's nothing to do then since I'm kinda fond of the dejavu fonts. |
| 20:32.43 | simonrvn | your system will use whatever font it needs to display those characters |
| 20:33.01 | blizzkid | xingu: neh :p it's my fault, but I'm unable to solve it right now |
| 20:33.08 | simonrvn | and if it can't find one, then it won't show it, or display a square |
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| 20:33.57 | qpdb | hello, i have got a problem while mounting via sshfs, my mount options are 'uid=1000,gid=33,umask=0644,allow_other' (ids according to designated ids on target-system) .. creating something ends up with group=1000.. it seems 'gid=33' to be unconsidered. what's wrong with it? |
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| 20:37.52 | blizzkid | crap |
| 20:38.00 | blizzkid | I'll need an original firmware now |
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| 20:39.23 | DogBoy | blizzkid, for what |
| 20:40.00 | blizzkid | DogBoy: for my DPF |
| 20:40.13 | DogBoy | dpf eh |
| 20:40.47 | DogBoy | what are you trying to do with it |
| 20:42.44 | blizzkid | DogBoy: trying to use the DPF as an external LCD display, but I have by accident overwritten my firmware.bak |
| 20:43.12 | DogBoy | external? |
| 20:43.35 | blizzkid | yeah, see http://www.planetsurfer.net/2008/06/05/use-a-cheap-digital-picture-frame-as-a-secondary-display/ DogBoy |
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| 20:43.46 | hark | qpdb: you have allow_other there |
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| 20:44.04 | DogBoy | a while back I looked into hacking one to use as a cheapo ebook reader |
| 20:44.11 | hark | qpdb: try without that |
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| 20:44.50 | lepine_w | How does one go about debugging the sendmail function? |
| 20:44.52 | GoatHoof | has anyone else on here had trouble with bug 517848 |
| 20:45.05 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 517848 |
| 20:45.06 | lepine_w | php's mail() returns true ... the path to send mail is good |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | DONE:#517848:G[nautilus] nautilus: version conflicts - Nautilus doesn't install (); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:54:01 UTC [] |
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| 20:45.17 | lepine_w | but i don't get anything on the wire (tcpdump) |
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| 20:46.06 | blizzkid | DogBoy: I have been succesful in flashing it's firmware, but the svn version of st-tools requires you to flash back the original fw, which I accidentally overwrote by running the ./flash a second time |
| 20:46.12 | GoatHoof | yep that's it |
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| 20:46.27 | khaije1 | so what does the 'laptop' install-preset get me? |
| 20:46.37 | dustybin | Debian Lenny is rock solid |
| 20:46.48 | hark | khaije1: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 20:46.59 | lepine_w | khaije1: pcmcia services i'm sure |
| 20:47.02 | maligor | dustybin, shale? |
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| 20:48.19 | khaije1 | hark: what does that do? |
| 20:48.32 | DogBoy | blizzkid, so you can get the firmware by getting another device? |
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| 20:48.54 | khaije1 | o nm i c, it just took a while |
| 20:48.56 | blizzkid | DogBoy: yeah, but I'm not going to buy another one :p |
| 20:49.01 | Geek`N`Proud | dustybin, I agree.. I haven't seen any problems with it so far |
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| 20:49.15 | khaije1 | is on an old lptp |
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| 20:49.49 | TMM | can someone here tell me why an initramfs created by apt-get install <some kernel version> and even having been recreated with update-initramfs -u -t would be unable to find 'libm.so.6' ? this is a system that was debootstrapped btw, nothing else installed. I unpacked the initramfs and the file (/lib64/libm.so.6) really is there |
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| 20:51.24 | TMM | I'm seeing: /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.55 | TMM | I really don't get it... the initramfs looks fine |
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| 20:58.13 | guerby | hi, how to set a system wide http/ftp proxy in lenny? (I mean telling every app to use an existing proxy for http/ftp on proxyhost:proxyport) |
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| 21:01.02 | Tramp | guerby: most applications honor the http_proxy environment variable (and there is probably a ftp_proxy as well). You have to set it in the respective environment of the application |
| 21:01.52 | guerby | Tramp, thanks. It worked for wget but for subversion it did not |
| 21:01.53 | Tramp | guerby: but, as I said, this is for "most applications". You have to check for every application |
| 21:01.53 | guerby | I had to edit /etc/subversion/servers |
| 21:01.53 | guerby | Tramp, ok :) |
| 21:01.53 | Tramp | guerby: yes. So you know already. |
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| 21:02.05 | guerby | Tramp, I was hoping for a magic tool :) |
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| 21:11.27 | enouf | lifts the corner of the shell and peeks around a bit .. |
| 21:11.57 | valdyn | guerby: every user app? |
| 21:12.14 | valdyn | guerby: kde and gnome settings do this for their respective terminals |
| 21:12.18 | guerby | valdyn, yep |
| 21:12.20 | valdyn | guerby: and the apps |
| 21:12.35 | Hentai | after installing debian 5.0 and running I can't seem to use apt-get correctly, I do apt-get install xchat and stops at 50% working |
| 21:12.42 | blade | hi enouf finally ethtool is installed lol |
| 21:12.47 | valdyn | guerby: so whats your desktop environment? |
| 21:13.03 | guerby | valdyn, I'm connected remotely in command line |
| 21:13.14 | guerby | I just noticed subversion wasn't obeying http_proxy |
| 21:13.26 | guerby | I ended up editing by hand /etc/subversion/server |
| 21:13.33 | valdyn | guerby: http_proxy is your only global way |
| 21:13.46 | guerby | valdyn, doesn't work for subversion unfortunately |
| 21:13.52 | valdyn | guerby: except doing this in the firewall |
| 21:14.02 | valdyn | guerby: but that needs the proxies cooperation |
| 21:14.11 | dkr | Hentai: sounds like a network issue, perhaps choose a different mirror? |
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| 21:14.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !squid |
| 21:14.13 | dpkg | well, squid is the Squid Internet Object Cache, a caching web proxy server supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and other protocols. http://squid-cache.org/, http://wiki.squid-cache.org/, /usr/share/doc/squid/* Ask me about <transparent proxy> and <squid deb caching>. #squid @ irc.freenode.net |
| 21:14.31 | valdyn | guerby: so who controls the proxy itself? |
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| 21:15.33 | format_c | after installing sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jdk I'm missing a binary called javac. How can I get this binary. I need it to compile ProjectX |
| 21:15.41 | valdyn | guerby: im confused as to why svn would not respect proxy settings |
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| 21:16.02 | guerby | valdyn, just a bug :) |
| 21:16.05 | Hentai | dkr: stupid question how can I chose a different mirror? |
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| 21:16.17 | TMM | wtf!? my initramfs can't load ANY libraries |
| 21:16.19 | guerby | I have no access to the proxy settings |
| 21:16.22 | valdyn | guerby: reported 2003 in the first hit on google |
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| 21:16.32 | abrotman | Hentai: pick one from debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 21:16.48 | Hentai | abrotman: and where do |
| 21:16.55 | Hentai | abrotman: and where do I put it at? |
| 21:17.01 | dkr | Hentai: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:17.01 | abrotman | !tell Hentai about sources.list |
| 21:17.22 | TMM | WTF... it doesn't look in /lib64 only in /lib... but it DOES place the libraries in /lib64 |
| 21:17.26 | TMM | wtf wtf wtf |
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| 21:18.08 | valdyn | guerby: i see this for subversion config: http-proxy-host = $http_proxy |
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| 21:18.18 | twobitsprite | dkr: that link doesn't work, where's the Hentai? :P |
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| 21:18.53 | guerby | valdyn, what file? /etc/subversion/server? |
| 21:19.14 | valdyn | guerby: no idea, but theres another thing |
| 21:19.15 | dkr | twobitsprite: ~/vid/h |
| 21:19.22 | twobitsprite | dkr: heh |
| 21:19.34 | valdyn | guerby: which is that subversion uses rarely used http methods that are not supported by default |
| 21:19.37 | dkr | funny cuz it's true. ;) |
| 21:19.59 | guerby | valdyn, not an issue for me, once I did edit /etc/subversion/server it all worked |
| 21:20.05 | valdyn | guerby: i see |
| 21:20.12 | guerby | it's just if I have to do that for lots of app it's boring :) |
| 21:20.50 | twobitsprite | dkr: everyone has a stash |
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| 21:21.01 | valdyn | guerby: surely not for many apps |
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| 21:21.59 | guerby | valdyn, I hope so :) |
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| 21:23.32 | guerby | valdyn, BTW what's the best place to set http_proxy? so all users and use benefit? |
| 21:24.28 | valdyn | guerby: thats tricky |
| 21:24.32 | guerby | :) |
| 21:24.40 | valdyn | guerby: X users ? console users? gdm? xdm? |
| 21:24.51 | guerby | console users |
| 21:24.57 | guerby | (through ssh) |
| 21:25.01 | valdyn | guerby: /etc/profile |
| 21:25.08 | guerby | valdyn, ok thx |
| 21:25.26 | Caelum | why does xorg configure a "<default-pointer>" even though I have a "Configured Mouse" section? |
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| 21:26.08 | enouf | heard something related, but not enough to crawl out ... |
| 21:26.21 | nima0102 | hi |
| 21:26.24 | Caelum | it says "No default mouse found, adding one" |
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| 21:26.54 | enouf | Server section or something, man xorg.conf |
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| 21:27.29 | valdyn | Caelum: you didnt link the mouse to the screen? |
| 21:27.36 | valdyn | Caelum: or server, whatever |
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| 21:27.55 | valdyn | Caelum: in xorg, a mouse section alone doesnt do much at all |
| 21:28.08 | Caelum | valdyn: I put it in ServerLayout |
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| 21:28.28 | nima0102 | I want install debian on intel xeon 64 bit, which debian do i have to download ???? |
| 21:28.39 | valdyn | nima0102: i386 or amd64 |
| 21:28.43 | enouf | InputDevice "Configured Mouse" |
| 21:28.56 | enouf | Section "ServerLayout" |
| 21:29.26 | Caelum | enouf: I have that |
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| 21:30.05 | nima0102 | valdyn: intel |
| 21:30.05 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/8EaRgX87.html |
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| 21:31.38 | action09 | hi all, i'm on a radeon4870 (w00w) and i can't have dualscreen activated, i faced a slow scrolled window bug whit proprieteray driver, maybe i could switch to an old version , i'm a little bit lost :( |
| 21:31.53 | enouf | nima0102: /msg dpkg ports |
| 21:32.12 | simonrvn | and try radeonhd perhaps |
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| 21:33.17 | action09 | simonrvn yes, i'll try radeonhd with "Virtual 3360 1050" |
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| 21:35.20 | nima0102 | enouf: thanks a lot |
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| 21:36.23 | action09 | simonrvn thx brb |
| 21:36.27 | enouf | nima0102: np |
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| 21:37.04 | dareth | Anyone got a good suggestion for a supported gigabit nic for Debian Etch/Lenny? |
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| 21:37.17 | ekke | hi i have problems using page up and down keys in terminals but in x they work fine are ther somway to configure keybord for the terminal? |
| 21:37.20 | dareth | pci, want to upgrade from onboard to 10/100 to something faster. |
| 21:37.30 | GoatHoof | I've got a .deb for that bug |
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| 21:38.05 | GoatHoof | !dbugs 517848 |
| 21:38.08 | dpkg | DONE:#517848:G[nautilus] nautilus: version conflicts - Nautilus doesn't install (); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:54:01 UTC [] |
| 21:38.38 | GoatHoof | I've got a .deb for i386 if anyone needs it |
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| 21:39.55 | GoatHoof | is there a way I can get it on sid contrib? |
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| 21:40.23 | craigevil | ekke: have you tried shift+ pageup/page down |
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| 21:40.41 | jelly | dareth: desktop or server? PCI, PCI-X, PCIe? |
| 21:41.34 | ekke | craigevil, haha =) search on google for like an hour and its just like that =) |
| 21:41.39 | ekke | craigevil, thx |
| 21:42.17 | nima0102 | enouf: dear then I for our server with xeon cpu must install debian "amd64" ?? |
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| 21:43.12 | TMM | can someone please explain to me why an amd64-generated initramfs wouldn't look in /lib64 for it's libraries? OR if it's not supposed to, why it's not copying them into /lib? |
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| 21:43.18 | TMM | I'm completely flabbergasted |
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| 21:44.00 | WX_0 | TMM: What's wrong w/your debian setup? |
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| 21:44.08 | GoatHoof | here is the .deb http://www.filedropper.com/shared-mime-info060-2i386_1 |
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| 21:44.24 | GoatHoof | it's shared-mime-info_0.60-2 |
| 21:44.44 | TMM | WX_0: it won't boot because the initramfs is broken... I narrowed it down to it breaking because it can't find any libraries because they are all in /lib64 while it's only looking for them in /lib. |
| 21:44.54 | themill | Any suggestions for a non-ghostscript based PS viewer? |
| 21:45.10 | dabreegster | Running testing with a 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, this western digital external 150gig usb drive won't mount. dmesg keeps growing; it'll have new USB device found, then USB disconnect a moment later |
| 21:45.24 | jelly | themill: you're weird. |
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| 21:46.02 | themill | jelly: yes, but you knew that. I'm trying to work out if it's pstricks (latex) that's broken or ghostscript. One of them appears to be. |
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| 21:46.18 | TMM | WX_0: regeneration doesn't help |
| 21:46.22 | GoatHoof | is it possible for me to contribute a package |
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| 21:46.26 | jelly | dabreegster: if it also spins up and down the device, unplug it... too many spin cycles a dead drive makes |
| 21:46.54 | grummund | hi, i upgraded from etch->lenny and somehow managed to screw the xserver ;-/ any ideas where do i start in trying to fix this?... |
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| 21:47.19 | dabreegster | jelly: ouch, seeing as its a friend's, that might be important. :| Thanks. Guess it's just bunk. WOrked in the windows box at the lab a minute ago |
| 21:47.20 | jelly | themill: once upon a time there were different versions of ghostscript to choose from |
| 21:47.21 | tziku | hello how can i decompress a .rar file ? |
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| 21:48.21 | jelly | dabreegster: it's more like "left it 2 days in the spin cycle mode" dead; if you can, try a newer or different kernel |
| 21:48.53 | dabreegster | jelly: About 2 minutes wouldnt hurt it? (Paranoia setting in :P) I'll see if 2.6.27 has any fixes for it. Thanks |
| 21:48.56 | jelly | dabreegster: does the device take its power off USB, too? |
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| 21:49.02 | dabreegster | jelly: Yes it does |
| 21:49.19 | dabreegster | jelly: Should I plug it into the back USB ports, by chance? Don't the front ones usually provide less power? |
| 21:49.22 | jelly | dabreegster: if you're connecting it to a laptop, it's possible your USB host doesn't provide enough power |
| 21:49.26 | dabreegster | jelly: Desktop |
| 21:49.40 | jelly | dabreegster: I'd definitely try it that way |
| 21:49.46 | dabreegster | jelly: K |
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| 21:50.11 | JBzh | tziku: you can use "rar" |
| 21:50.20 | tziku | i found winrar-free |
| 21:50.25 | tziku | thanks |
| 21:50.38 | WX_0 | dabreegster: Depending on the case setup, that's possible - however, in general, USB ports don't provide enough power to run an entire IDE/SATA drive - try using an independent power source, if available |
| 21:50.53 | dabreegster | A back USB port did the trick |
| 21:51.05 | dabreegster | Apparently the front usb ports have less power. this drive didnt have an external power connector |
| 21:51.09 | jelly | always go the back door |
| 21:51.19 | EduardeCalibal | Front is USB 1.2 |
| 21:51.21 | EduardeCalibal | I think |
| 21:51.22 | WX_0 | dabreegster: It's possible to wire the front USB ports to be as powerful as the back |
| 21:51.31 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: That's dependent entirely on the case, manufacturer, etc |
| 21:51.41 | OpenTokix | jelly: hehe |
| 21:51.43 | EduardeCalibal | I dont think. Less cables |
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| 21:51.54 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: What? |
| 21:52.00 | nima0102 | enouf: dear then I for our server with xeon cpu must install debian "amd64" ?? |
| 21:52.03 | EduardeCalibal | Less pin in use in front ports. |
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| 21:52.16 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: That's not true 100% of the time |
| 21:52.18 | jelly | OpenTokix: more devices are compatible that way! |
| 21:52.23 | EduardeCalibal | I never see one front with 2.0 USB |
| 21:52.31 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: My two front USB ports are USB 2.0 |
| 21:52.34 | EduardeCalibal | But is possible. |
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| 21:53.11 | jelly | OpenTokix: still, ports in the back are often dusty and dirty |
| 21:53.24 | OpenTokix | jelly: don't push it =) |
| 21:53.28 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: Chances are, you've worked with older, manufactured machines |
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| 21:53.38 | EduardeCalibal | Many machines... |
| 21:53.49 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: Many older machines. |
| 21:53.53 | theholyduck | is it jut me. or are there no supported kernel packages for sid? |
| 21:53.54 | theholyduck | currently? |
| 21:54.00 | theholyduck | updating much?= |
| 21:54.00 | jelly | OpenTokix: some cases make them hard to reach, as well |
| 21:54.02 | EduardeCalibal | And the owner make the connection. |
| 21:54.09 | jelly | runs away |
| 21:54.10 | EduardeCalibal | Is a form to have more ports. |
| 21:54.15 | EduardeCalibal | 1.2 ports. |
| 21:54.16 | EduardeCalibal | But more. |
| 21:54.33 | WX_0 | EduardeCalibal: I haven't seen a machine that's older than 3 years that uses USB 1.1 still |
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| 21:54.56 | WX_0 | Also, EduardeCalibal: USB 1.2 does not exist - it's USB 1,1 |
| 21:55.08 | EduardeCalibal | I dont know if is 1.2 or 1.1 |
| 21:55.11 | EduardeCalibal | But dont is 2.0 |
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| 21:56.31 | Brusca | Hi again, im trying to install grub2 on etch by using the rescue console. If i understand it well grub2 is not available by default, so I tried to get it from etch-backports. However the package grub2 cannot be fount at the source www.backports.org/debian. How should I proceed to install grub2? |
| 21:57.03 | WX_0 | Brusca: http://hackingwithdebian.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:57.09 | WX_0 | Brusca: It's the first article. |
| 21:57.16 | Brusca | ty |
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| 21:57.47 | keith4 | Brusca: http://packages.debian.org/grub2 |
| 21:58.24 | keith4 | Brusca: e.g., it's apparently only backported to etch for amd64 |
| 21:58.31 | keith4 | ... for some reason |
| 21:58.51 | kunsthonig | sorry |
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| 21:59.46 | jelly | only went grub2 when he had to |
| 21:59.59 | theholyduck | argh now this is why i love and hate using debian sid :P |
| 22:00.10 | theholyduck | goes to get himself a nice lenny kernel |
| 22:00.26 | WX_0 | theholyduck: There's a reason why it's called "testing" |
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| 22:00.32 | theholyduck | WX_0, its not called testing though |
| 22:00.35 | theholyduck | its called unstable :p |
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| 22:00.49 | EmleyMoor | squeeze is testing |
| 22:00.56 | theholyduck | WX_0, well unstable isnt really that unstable :P |
| 22:00.59 | Brusca | the reason id like to install grub2 is because I cant get a normal booting etch installation of debian. Probably caused by 2 soft-raid 0 drives in my system. Even debian is on a separate HD, grub still can boot succesfully.. |
| 22:01.00 | theholyduck | it just doesnt have a KERNEL currently |
| 22:01.15 | maligor | theholyduck, who needs one of those anyway |
| 22:01.20 | WX_0 | theholyduck: Let's pretend "unstable" means lack of packages |
| 22:01.20 | theholyduck | maligor, who indeed :D |
| 22:01.35 | theholyduck | WX_0, well i've been using it for years |
| 22:01.37 | WX_0 | theholyduck: I'll agree, many packages labeled unstable work fine - flash-nonfree amd64 for example |
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| 22:01.45 | maligor | unstable means package might and will break sometimes |
| 22:01.50 | theholyduck | maligor, true. and it does |
| 22:01.54 | theholyduck | but its generally manageable |
| 22:01.59 | Brusca | or has someone a better way to get debian booting for me? Strange thing is that by using the rescue install option, I can simply access my debian drive |
| 22:02.13 | theholyduck | Brusca, not strange at all. doesnt that use chroot? |
| 22:02.39 | theholyduck | i might as well just compile my own kernel for now |
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| 22:02.57 | theholyduck | though im suspecting a kernel update is comming soon |
| 22:03.15 | TMM | jelly: I just can't get the initrd to build correctly... this makes no sense, that worked fine on my first attempt |
| 22:03.23 | theholyduck | seeing as there IS a linux-headers-2.6.28-1-all but no linux-image-2.6.28-1 |
| 22:03.33 | TMM | jelly: now I need to set and LD_LIBRARY_PATH manually and it can't find any of my disk devices |
| 22:03.41 | Brusca | it looks like debian and soft-raid really is like fire and water, so darn difficult to get it working for a rookie like me |
| 22:04.00 | TMM | jelly: seems that udev's not working in the initramfs either |
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| 22:05.10 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps can somebody help me ping a few nodes on the internet please |
| 22:05.20 | abrotman | theholyduck: it has a kernel ... |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: #networking |
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| 22:05.57 | aarkerio | hi! I recall a command to see the keyboard key numbers when you type |
| 22:06.17 | abrotman | xev ? |
| 22:06.55 | theholyduck | abrotman, not in the reps currently :P |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 |
| 22:07.05 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.28-1 |
| 22:07.09 | abrotman | thank you, have a nice day |
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| 22:07.47 | theholyduck | abrotman, you wouldnt happen to be using kernel-archive.buildserver.net ? |
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| 22:08.01 | abrotman | learn how to use your package manager |
| 22:08.02 | aarkerio | abrotman, thx! |
| 22:08.06 | theholyduck | both apt-cache search and packages.debian doesnt have it :p |
| 22:08.10 | theholyduck | even after a update |
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| 22:08.44 | abrotman | yes, they do |
| 22:08.45 | theholyduck | sure kernel-archive has a debian build you can use. but there is not one DIRECTLY in sid :D |
| 22:08.52 | abrotman | you're not very bright ... |
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| 22:09.03 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 |
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| 22:09.26 | martyn-dev | Hi |
| 22:09.41 | theholyduck | abrotman, rather. they havent updated their meta files then :P |
| 22:09.45 | fyn | can you display a dep tree in debian like you can in gentoo? |
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| 22:09.53 | abrotman | theholyduck: obviously they have |
| 22:09.57 | martyn-dev | I need tls support on my debian .. i have this message "TLS NOT SUPPORTED IN THIS BUILD" |
| 22:10.00 | theholyduck | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-686 abrotman |
| 22:10.08 | abrotman | fyn: there is a way to get apt-cache to do dotty output |
| 22:10.15 | abrotman | theholyduck: that's a metapackage .. not a metafile .. |
| 22:10.20 | theholyduck | abrotman, i MENT that :P |
| 22:10.22 | theholyduck | arghz |
| 22:10.23 | theholyduck | :P |
| 22:10.30 | abrotman | refers to earlier comment |
| 22:11.18 | theholyduck | well also. my mirror hasnt gotten the update yet it seams. cause it doesnt have linux-image2.6.28-1-686 |
| 22:11.28 | theholyduck | err* with the extra - |
| 22:11.29 | theholyduck | :P |
| 22:11.36 | Hydroxide | theholyduck: was about to say :) |
| 22:11.46 | theholyduck | it HAS gotten all the headers and stuff though |
| 22:13.10 | fyn | abrotman: hm, but i can't install the package because of the deps it wants, but they're not direct and i want to see where it's getting the silly ideas from so i can fix the package :) |
| 22:13.52 | abrotman | fyn: can you paste the output of `aptitude install <whatever>` .. and show us the error you're getting ? |
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| 22:15.44 | fyn | abrotman: not me doing it, trying to help someone else. but i think it'd be generically useful to know how to get a dep tree for a package one is trying to install so i thought i'd see if anyone knew... |
| 22:15.57 | abrotman | aptitude whynot foo |
| 22:15.58 | abrotman | IIRC |
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| 22:18.44 | turtle_ | how long does a ban last? |
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| 22:20.15 | streuner | turtle_: as long a OP decided... |
| 22:20.50 | streuner | turtle_: just ask her/him about... |
| 22:22.00 | autoditac | hi. is there a way to do a full stop of a partial upgrade from etch to lenny to be completed? we have an accidental upgrade from etch to lenny on one system and don't want to downgrade to many packages. debconf was interrupted in the middle of the process and now apt needs an dpkg --configure -a to be sane again. now that pulls in all the packages we don't want ... |
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| 22:30.59 | cirzgamanti | there's a task running at 20 and 50 minutes every hour, but i can't localize it. i don't know much about cron, where could it be on a new debian system if not it cron.hourly ? |
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| 22:31.20 | bjoernb | hello |
| 22:31.40 | bjoernb | i am using xpdf. is there any possibility to jump to a certain page number in full screen mode? |
| 22:33.08 | abrotman | cirzgamanti: that does'nt sound very hourly .. check /etc/crontab .. and the stuff in /var/spool/cron/ |
| 22:33.59 | dacs | when i upgrade from etch to lenny , one of the things that got messed up is my gnome, when i do startx i can see my desktop (Just the gray BG) with one terminal window open.. .even that , it is very small |
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| 22:36.09 | azeem | dacs: that's not gnome |
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| 22:36.20 | cirzgamanti | abrotman: right, cron.hourly was the best i could come up with... thx i'll check |
| 22:36.57 | cisticola | dacs: you have no window manager loaded. |
| 22:36.59 | rhavenn | when doing an install, the options for "laptop", "desktop", "server", etc... are those just meta-packages you can find later in apt or are they a install only option? |
| 22:37.00 | dacs | azeem: :) before the upgrade it was gnome is what i had?! |
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| 22:37.36 | azeem | dacs: so your X session is broken |
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| 22:38.12 | dacs | azeem: i don't know what is the problem, thats why i am here asking you folks :) |
| 22:38.17 | cirzgamanti | abrotman: nothing in there :( spool/cron contains no data, and /etc/crontab only runs the cron.daily etc. |
| 22:39.22 | azeem | dacs: consider using a display manager like gdm instead |
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| 22:39.32 | azeem | dacs: otherwise read the gnome-session documentation or so |
| 22:39.49 | max_ | i have looked for a howto on settings on a mythtv backend server but cant find anyone, that i can use, cant find any mythtv pack |
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| 22:40.10 | dacs | azeem: oh man thank you so much for all the effort you spent helping me |
| 22:40.22 | cisticola | dacs: aptitude install gnome |
| 22:40.56 | azeem | dacs: hrm? |
| 22:40.57 | dacs | cisticola: but it was working before, you think i lost it with the upgrade |
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| 22:41.17 | azeem | dacs: pastebin the content of your ~/.xsession, if any |
| 22:41.40 | cisticola | dacs: yes |
| 22:42.55 | valdyn | rhavenn: they are tasks, that program is tasksel |
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| 22:43.33 | bjoernb | anyone using xpdf? |
| 22:43.33 | cirzgamanti | abrotman: it's a service that wakes up an unmounted hard disk at these times. maybe there's a better way to check which program runs at :20 + :50 than staring at "top" in 9 minutes? :) |
| 22:43.33 | valdyn | rhavenn: you can look up which packages those "tasks" consist of later |
| 22:43.49 | rhavenn | valdyn: reading man now, thanks for the pointer |
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| 22:46.08 | dacs | azeem: cat ~/.xsession-errors http://debian.pastebin.com/m6ef12398 |
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| 22:47.56 | azeem | dacs: eh, root? |
| 22:48.14 | dacs | azeem: explain! |
| 22:48.20 | azeem | dacs: don't run X as root |
| 22:48.57 | dacs | azeem: i didn't..wait now? where you see that |
| 22:49.10 | azeem | bdc-srvr:~# cat ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:49.28 | dacs | azeem: line please |
| 22:49.34 | azeem | first? |
| 22:50.06 | azeem | but I guess you were just pasting the wrong file |
| 22:50.07 | azeem | # |
| 22:50.08 | azeem | Xsession: X session started for root at Sat Nov 29 08:42:35 EST 2008 |
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| 22:50.59 | homecable | how do i set up a su group |
| 22:51.27 | abrotman | like wheel ? |
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| 22:53.44 | eeg3 | homecable: modify /etc/pam.d/su |
| 22:53.46 | AussieHatter | ntfs r/w is now stable and safe in etch isnt it ? |
| 22:55.49 | azeem | AussieHatter: lenny you mean? |
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| 22:56.07 | AussieHatter | azeem, well, this server is still etch |
| 22:56.17 | simonrvn | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:56.18 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 22:56.27 | cafuego | gah |
| 22:56.42 | azeem | AussieHatter: then ntfs hasn't changed much recently |
| 22:56.59 | homecable | eeg3 can i msg u |
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| 22:57.51 | homecable | if i copy the def kernel config and upgrade the kernel will it have the same seting as the debian kernel ? |
| 22:58.35 | homecable | just want to add gsrc with pax |
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| 23:01.25 | methods | what's the name of that package that helps build/track local installs ? |
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| 23:02.04 | azeem | methods: stow, checkinstall |
| 23:02.26 | methods | idk ... |
| 23:02.33 | methods | it was alternative to building to /usr/local |
| 23:02.42 | foetus | how can i reconfigure my manpages? |
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| 23:03.07 | foetus | man gcc doesn't work |
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| 23:04.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: how you doing? |
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| 23:07.13 | myeggo | someone know "deluge-torrent" as bittorrent client? |
| 23:07.21 | myeggo | im looking for a light torrent client |
| 23:07.30 | simonrvn | !search |
| 23:07.30 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
| 23:08.21 | dga | can anyone make sense of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126051/ |
| 23:10.28 | giovani | dga: is there a problem? |
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| 23:11.02 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.08 | cafuego | simonrvn: so very tired |
| 23:11.27 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 23:11.41 | dga | .MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC is preventing me from loading the debian installer for lenny, so i tried to install ubuntu to see if i can find out anything else. it runs fine, but i still see that error and i'm wondering why it's working. |
| 23:11.57 | ix | I have exactly that error too. |
| 23:12.36 | cafuego | simonrvn: 3 day of meetings over the weekend followed by a long day or driving (and a 4 hour flight) |
| 23:12.46 | ix | I had no problem installing debian. :-) |
| 23:13.04 | dga | weird. when the kernel loads, it hits that error and just pauses. |
| 23:13.06 | simonrvn | no wonder you're tired ;). how you been otherwise? |
| 23:13.17 | cafuego | simonrvn: tired, also <heh> but ok |
| 23:13.29 | simonrvn | cool |
| 23:13.41 | dga | noapic nolapic allow me to install, but i don't want to keep apic disabled in longterm |
| 23:13.45 | cafuego | missed out of coffee with guerin, tho |
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| 23:13.55 | simonrvn | oh really? damn |
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| 23:14.40 | dga | /proc/cpuinfo isn't displaying the correct clockspeed for my cores, so maybe all is not well |
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| 23:15.04 | cafuego | dga: it'll be displaying the current throttled speed, it's fine. |
| 23:15.12 | dga | ahh |
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| 23:16.57 | dga | i'm trying to find out how ubuntu got around the apic issue. all i have is this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126051/plain/ but i'm not exactly sure what i'm looking at. it looks like it loads, and then the error, but somehow i was able to install this. |
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| 23:19.04 | tuesday | hi |
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| 23:19.29 | homecable | http://joey.ath.cx/debian/tcl8.5amd64bit/ |
| 23:19.43 | homecable | no thead ver :P |
| 23:21.46 | tuesday | please tel me.. is there a way in etch to get clam to show up with some feedback.. scanned a file X by clamscan X .. hours pass.. tryn to update the avdb by freshclam.. hours pass i slowly get an idea i am missing something important on his .. |
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| 23:22.13 | corinth | Which should be larger, a partition for /var or for /etc ? |
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| 23:22.18 | corinth | Generally. |
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| 23:22.28 | gh0st3r | im having problems with booting... ive got an IDE harddrive in the system (main OS drive) and ive just installed a SATA drive (for data), worked fine until SATA drive was installed... now on bootup when loading the kernel im getting the error "Cant not find root device" and it boots into a Busybox Initramfs promp |
| 23:22.32 | gh0st3r | what do i do to fix? |
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| 23:23.54 | EduardeCalibal | For boot change the root in the boor line, if use grub, edit in boot menu. |
| 23:23.57 | tuesday | can you boot a disk to resetup the boot stuff |
| 23:24.22 | EduardeCalibal | After up, edit menu list. If grub... |
| 23:25.14 | TMM | jelly: HA! got it working! :D :D :D :D I'll update my wiki page later though :) it just booted after the first go, turned out the culprit was me leaving /lib64 as a non-symlink :) |
| 23:25.44 | TMM | jelly: so, the libs all got installed in the wrong places, after figuring that out and redoing my wiki it 'just worked' |
| 23:25.50 | TMM | jelly-home: if you're home now :) |
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| 23:28.45 | tuesday | is there any relyable virus detection for free on this box? on etch ´... no future stuff .. on etch .. not like clam ... .. i mean .. now+ |
| 23:29.05 | cisticola | gh0st3r: due to thumbdrives and external HDDs drive numbering is no longer predictable. You now have to identify your system partitions by LABEL or UUID in the grub kernel boot parameters and in fstab. |
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| 23:29.42 | homecable | what harding packages do i need to isntall |
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| 23:30.57 | abrotman | !harden |
| 23:30.57 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 23:30.59 | abrotman | like that? |
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| 23:31.39 | tuesday | no idea concerning the virus stuff? are there any.. onlinescanners known to work at least .. ..well just work ? |
| 23:32.11 | abrotman | clamav |
| 23:32.24 | jelly-home | TMM: beer for everyone! |
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| 23:32.51 | cisticola | gh0st3r: e2lablel is ok for ext3 partitions and you can get the UUID's in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 23:32.51 | TMM | jelly-home: :D |
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| 23:33.13 | superjoe | so I use the squeeze repository, and something I JUST updated is screwing up xul runner |
| 23:33.19 | TMM | jelly-home: just some small tweaks to make sure the rootfs can me unmounted cleanly, but that's it :) |
| 23:33.30 | superjoe | in iceweasel css backgrounds don't repaint properly |
| 23:33.34 | superjoe | anybody know anything about this? |
| 23:33.51 | cisticola | gh0st3r: the swap partition is little different |
| 23:34.00 | tuesday | i need to scan 2 files.. i this here fails i am seeing myself putting in the c't scanner disk.. an scan it all .. the ... drives... <- well the drive containing the mentioned files..this is merely my time than yours .. so think of it.. |
| 23:34.07 | TMM | jelly-home: ps ax | grep -v ssh | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill |
| 23:34.13 | TMM | jelly-home: that should do it |
| 23:35.22 | homecable | http://rafb.net/p/xRLzi146.html |
| 23:35.35 | homecable | whats that warning about |
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| 23:36.16 | tuesday | i feel like a ghost .. or like a vital one within a chest of ghosts. so the stange can decite..what site calls it a ghost. |
| 23:36.26 | tuesday | ..well the virus stuff? |
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| 23:39.19 | puff | I'm recovering an old box, has debian on it. I'm into single-user mode, now I need to mount /usr to re-set the password, right? |
| 23:39.20 | jelly-home | tuesday: your English is quite incomprehensible, I'm afraid. |
| 23:39.36 | jelly-home | !de |
| 23:39.36 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 23:39.55 | bolt | yay. pastebinit in testing supports paste.debian.net :D |
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| 23:40.40 | plock | hello, I'm trying to install php5-sqlite on my new lenny and it tries to install mysql-common as a dependencie, how is it possible ? |
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| 23:41.03 | homecable | Setting up psad (2.1.3-1.1) ... |
| 23:41.03 | homecable | ERR: Syslog has not been configured to send messages to |
| 23:41.03 | homecable | joey:/etc# |
| 23:41.11 | homecable | ./var/lib/psad/psadfifo. Please configure it as described in psad(8). |
| 23:41.52 | puff | The /etc/fstab line looks like: /dev/hda5 /usr ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 23:43.17 | homecable | i need some help |
| 23:43.49 | homecable | Setting up psad (2.1.3-1.1) ... |
| 23:43.49 | homecable | ERR: Syslog has not been configured to send messages to |
| 23:44.02 | homecable | var/lib/psad/psadfifo. Please configure it as described in psad(8) |
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| 23:45.04 | jelly-home | homecable: and what happened after you read man 8 psad and applied the required configuratin changes? |
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| 23:46.06 | jelly-home | ... that's what "psad(8)" means |
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| 23:50.52 | saLOUt | i run a service on port 8080 (somethink like a webserver), but i cannot acces it from internet. What do i have to do? |
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| 23:51.42 | azeem | saLOUt: check your firewall settings |
| 23:51.53 | azeem | saLOUt: and/or router setting |
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| 23:52.52 | saLOUt | azeem: how? i have a debian virtual maschine with wm or gui. |
| 23:52.59 | azeem | how what? |
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| 23:53.27 | saLOUt | how can i check or even see the actual routing informations? |
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| 23:53.43 | azeem | saLOUt: I don't know what router you have |
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| 23:54.09 | azeem | saLOUt: or what you mean by "cannot access it from internet" |
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| 23:54.17 | saLOUt | i have a virtual maschine provided by my university wich is supposed to run a wiki for the students |
| 23:54.37 | azeem | so talk to your university's network admin, I'd say |
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| 23:54.47 | azeem | can you SSH into it from the internet? |
| 23:54.53 | saLOUt | yes |
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| 23:55.27 | azeem | why is it on port 8080 and not 80? |
| 23:55.49 | saLOUt | is 80 open by default? |
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| 23:56.11 | saLOUt | i didnt make the wiki. no idea why on 8080 |
| 23:56.35 | azeem | what do you mean with "open by default"? |
| 23:57.06 | azeem | again, whether or not the computers between your wiki and the internet let pass port 80 or 8080 is up to the network admisn |
| 23:57.09 | azeem | admins* |
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| 23:58.39 | pl4yer0ne | hey all, has anyone else had problems with gksu lately? |
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