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| 00:00.20 | cirzgamanti | it just took me about ten minutes to figure out that AddressFamily inet is not a cool alternative to gpm, and that's *although* i realized that there's a nick clash... |
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| 00:00.26 | _2 | can anyone point me in the right dirrection on my xorg issue ? |
| 00:00.30 | cirzgamanti | i should probably go to sleep some hours ago... |
| 00:00.38 | gpm | jamon: ha, you know what it was, the router's ddns thing is shitty and hadn't updated properly. it was the ddns, i had the wrong external ip. sorry for the trouble |
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| 00:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | RusBoy, the permissions of all directories above the file have to have at least "x" for everyone (possibly also "r" if the program isn't written properly) |
| 00:00.59 | Dracie | hi is anyone else having issues installing flash 10 in unstable? |
| 00:01.00 | Tempus_Fugit | ook all cya laterz |
| 00:01.04 | gpm | jamon: thanks for bearing with me. see ya |
| 00:01.08 | jamon | gpm: well there you go :) |
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| 00:01.34 | _2 | {repost} so, who do i need to talk to about a 'xorg' / 'vidio driver' issue ? i'm trying to use an external monitor(only) on a toshiba satalite A135 running debain lenny. i have built an xorg.conf using 'X -configure' tried the vesa driver, no joy, tried the radeon driver, and it works the first time xorg starts; but after that no joy. i have played with xrandr (admittedly in ignorance) but no joy. |
| 00:01.37 | abrotman | keeping me up ? |
| 00:02.25 | EMH_Mark3 | heya I'm having an odd problem after moving my system from non-raid to raid.. I'm using raid1 on an ide drive and a sata drive, but when booting the raid array is assembled before the sata drives are detected. how do I fix this? |
| 00:03.08 | RusBoy | <CutMeOwnThroat> RusBoy, the permissions of all directories above the file have to have at least "x" for everyone (possibly also "r" if the program isn't written properly) |
| 00:03.10 | RusBoy | how i do it |
| 00:03.11 | RusBoy | ? |
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| 00:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. what IS the program that needs to read that? |
| 00:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and why isn't it readable anyway? It is on my system) |
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| 00:04.12 | module000 | netstat methinks |
| 00:04.25 | _2 | RusBoy ls -ld /proc/net |
| 00:04.32 | _2 | what it says ? |
| 00:05.01 | digitaloktay_ot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | RusBoy, ?? |
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| 00:06.00 | syzygy | _2: sounds like you need fglrc |
| 00:06.04 | syzygy | fglrx |
| 00:06.06 | module000 | RusBoy: is this your box, or a box you just have access to? |
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| 00:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he's meditating on it |
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| 00:06.46 | _2 | syzygy E: Couldn't find package fglrx |
| 00:06.55 | syzygy | look online |
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| 00:07.14 | chrisw_ | hi all, since updating to Lenny, my debian box doesn't start X, it just starts up a ext command prompt... any idea why that could be? |
| 00:07.18 | RusBoy | CutMeOwnThroat it is wine with utorrent |
| 00:07.19 | _2 | syzygy propriatary ? |
| 00:07.20 | themill | dpkg: tell _2 about fglrx one-liner |
| 00:07.24 | syzygy | yep |
| 00:07.29 | gribouille | hi |
| 00:07.35 | syzygy | pretty much the only solution for Radeon on Debian Lenny for me |
| 00:07.47 | syzygy | what card are you using? |
| 00:07.50 | gribouille | does lenny provide kde 4 in the stable branch ? |
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| 00:08.38 | themill | gribouille: /msg dpkg kde4 |
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| 00:09.08 | CodeBlock | to upgrade to lenny, change sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:09.28 | CodeBlock | (just checking...though its kinda late, I'm already letting that run) |
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| 00:09.35 | EMH_Mark3 | anyone knows how to have the raid arrays detected after the sata drivers are loaded? |
| 00:09.38 | okidoki1 | hi, i have a problem with installation of lenny from netinst cd. installation stops after select and install software. it stops after all the packages downloaded. |
| 00:09.52 | themill | CodeBlock: no, you read the release notes and /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:09.55 | icebrain | I'm using sid from before lenny release, and I want to use squeeze, should I dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:10.06 | CodeBlock | themill: eep, alright.... |
| 00:10.17 | gribouille | themill, dpkg says kde 4 is not in lenny, but kde 4 packages are listed in http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
| 00:10.19 | dee25 | i have debian how u install the adobe flash player |
| 00:10.32 | okidoki1 | what should i do? try again? |
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| 00:10.33 | myrddian | Hey guys |
| 00:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | RusBoy, mmm... there's a lot of torrent clients in debian - that I'd prefer over running something in wine any day... first run ls -d /proc /proc/net /proc/net - should read "dr-xr-xr-x" for both |
| 00:10.49 | _2 | syzygy so you are saying that there is no "open" way to do this ? and, can you insure me that adding "non-free" will work ? i hate to taint my kernel/system |
| 00:10.53 | Wyzard | icebrain: unless your sid hasn't been updated in a long time, you're probably "past" squeeze already |
| 00:10.59 | syzygy | what card? |
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| 00:11.15 | _2 | radeon m200 |
| 00:11.35 | icebrain | Wyzard: isn't squeezed based on "oldsid"? |
| 00:11.45 | nsadmin | icebrain: no |
| 00:11.52 | _2 | product: RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
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| 00:11.56 | nsadmin | it is based on lenny |
| 00:11.56 | themill | gribouille: only some libraries for kde4, not kde4 itself |
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| 00:12.02 | Wyzard | icebrain: not in the sense that sid got renamed to squeeze, no |
| 00:12.09 | Mousey | woo! finally!! |
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| 00:12.21 | Mousey | i LOVE apt-get upgrading when a new stable is released |
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| 00:12.32 | nsadmin | but evidence of that base will disappear pretty quickly as new packages come in |
| 00:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do? |
| 00:12.32 | Mousey | unstable finally starts getting all the crap i've been missing out on |
| 00:12.32 | Wyzard | icebrain: sid is always sid; squeeze began as lenny and then individual packages propagate into it from sid |
| 00:12.41 | dee25 | how u install the adobe flash player |
| 00:12.43 | icebrain | Wyzard: nsadmin: ok, thanks. So I'll continue to explore the deep waters of Sid |
| 00:12.44 | dee25 | ? |
| 00:12.56 | okidoki1 | i need help for installing debian lenny from netinst cd |
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| 00:13.00 | themill | dpkg: tell dee25 about adobe flash |
| 00:13.03 | Wyzard | dee25: Install the flashplugin-nonfree package in the non-free repository |
| 00:13.09 | nsadmin | icebrain: good luck with that... keep your system backed up |
| 00:13.12 | gribouille | themill, ok |
| 00:13.17 | themill | Wyzard: that is really unlikely to work... |
| 00:13.30 | okidoki1 | it stops after all the packages downloaded |
| 00:13.43 | dee25 | how do u get |
| 00:13.44 | CodeBlock | stops his dist-upgrade, and does that etch->lenny says, then does his dist-upgrade again, and hopes he didn't break anything. |
| 00:13.51 | dee25 | into the respotiry? |
| 00:13.52 | CodeBlock | does what* |
| 00:14.01 | Wyzard | themill: oh, forgot about that, it's not in lenny except as a backport, right? |
| 00:14.14 | icebrain | nsadmin: Sid is going to evolve much faster and untested now, isn't it? |
| 00:14.23 | nsadmin | if you stop it during download, it's ok,,, if you stop it while it's actually installing, you've damaged your system |
| 00:14.29 | themill | Wyzard: and there are no backports yet.... dmm is the simplest imho |
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| 00:14.39 | amphi | icebrain: and testing is going to get more exciting ;) |
| 00:14.40 | icebrain | nsadmin: with much newer versions? |
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| 00:15.05 | nsadmin | icebrain: I'm not really sure what its plans are |
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| 00:15.55 | tzanger | good evening... can someone point me to a repo where I may find lib32-libusb? I've got lots of lib32-libxxxes but libusb does not appear to be one of them |
| 00:15.57 | nsadmin | but if your system blows up and you don't have backups, do NOT say you weren't warned |
| 00:16.27 | Mousey | hehe |
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| 00:16.32 | Mousey | i love wives tales |
| 00:16.39 | cirzgamanti | what's the magic behind getting a working X when installing debian? i want to get back to this wonderful state :) |
| 00:16.59 | icebrain | nsadmin: no, I would never :P |
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| 00:17.11 | Mousey | dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:17.12 | dpkg | Mousey: wish i knew |
| 00:17.17 | Mousey | oh |
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| 00:17.18 | Mousey | haha |
| 00:17.20 | Mousey | forgot about you |
| 00:17.29 | syzygy | _2: so this is 500 series? |
| 00:17.31 | icebrain | nsadmin: I'm planning to do daily rsync backups from now on. Made my first this weekend |
| 00:17.49 | scient | http://pastebin.com/m6782d73 my emu10k1 is not working in lenny |
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| 00:17.57 | scient | i would have expected it to work out of the box |
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| 00:18.34 | scient | i did alsaconf and it recognized it and i choose the emu10k1, the same basic card works on anther box great, not with pulseaudio but i am not using pulseaudio |
| 00:18.41 | icebrain | cirzgamanti: I didn't have any problems, just installed it and xdm |
| 00:18.41 | _2 | syzygy product: RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
| 00:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | icebrain, know the ancient chinse curse "may you live in interesting times"? :) |
| 00:18.47 | maximus_ | what package is iwconfig in? |
| 00:18.51 | syzygy | sorry I didn't see second post |
| 00:18.55 | Wyzard | maximus_: wireless-tools, I believe |
| 00:19.02 | azeem | maximus_: packages.debian.org has a search for that |
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| 00:19.16 | maximus_ | thanks, forgot about that |
| 00:19.20 | nsadmin | icebrain: excellent... you can back up different parts at different rates, for example /home and everything else |
| 00:19.31 | maximus_ | too used to Ubuntu's inefficient search every time you enter a missing application :P |
| 00:19.37 | node_ | hello, probably an easy one, but i'm new to debian: how do you disable IPv6 support? (I can't connect to network because 'eth0: no IPv6 routers present' which is true...) |
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| 00:20.01 | scient | maximus_: that exists in debian too somehow but i dont know how i got it |
| 00:20.16 | _2 | syzygy i'm trying to dl the packages, i'm on dialup so i'll be lagging really bad for the next 9 hours. please be patient. |
| 00:20.16 | Wyzard | scient: I can't help you directly because I don't have an emu10k1 anymore, but you shouldn't need to run alsaconf... udev should detect your card and load the snd-emu10k1 module automatically |
| 00:20.18 | nsadmin | node_: that's just a warning |
| 00:20.21 | icebrain | CutMeOwnThroat: not really, but I know what you mean :P By Murphy's law, all will happen right before my college paper delivery :P |
| 00:20.39 | gribouille | is debian as user-friendly as ubuntu ? |
| 00:20.44 | syzygy | _2: yeah, fglrx work for me...but I have a mor recent card, what does your xorg.conf file say? |
| 00:20.45 | scient | Wyzard: yeah, i hear a little pop when alsaconf initilizes it, i didnt know what else to do |
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| 00:20.58 | Mousey | gribouille: as a lion makes a good house pet as a tabby |
| 00:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | gribouille, yes, it's just more picky about who its users are |
| 00:21.08 | maximus_ | scient: well the downside is if you mess up a command, it can take a while to get a prompt again |
| 00:21.16 | _2 | WOW! crap! why is it downloading "linux-image-2.6.26-1-486" i'm running "2.6.26-1-686" ? |
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| 00:21.24 | icebrain | gribouille: i don't think so, that's the main selling point for Ubuntu. |
| 00:21.45 | Mousey | "ubuntu" is an ancient african word for "those too lazy to install debian package by package" |
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| 00:21.49 | gribouille | icebrain, what are the differences ? |
| 00:21.58 | scient | Wyzard: sound in general is down, there was also a c-media integrated that did show up in gnome sound prefs (emu 10k1 didnt for some reason) but it didnt work either, i turned it off in bios to make sure it wasnt a problem |
| 00:22.07 | jpinx | gribouille: it depends on what you want to do |
| 00:22.09 | Wyzard | scient: IIRC, all alsaconf does is set up a modprobe alias for "snd-card-0" or something like that... that used to be necessary, years ago before Linux systems had automatic module loading based on hardware detection, but nowadays udev loads the module automatically |
| 00:22.24 | icebrain | gribouille: the main purpose of Ubuntu is to pick Debian system and add multiple GUIs for everything |
| 00:22.25 | Mousey | jpinx: that was waaay too good of an answer |
| 00:22.27 | cirzgamanti | icebrain: i forgot to mention that i had it working at first too, then installed the proprietary ati driver, which crashes after about ten minutes. i want to get back, but i don't know how. |
| 00:22.28 | syzygy | _2: I would not install fglrx yet, although dl is fine, make sure xorg is running correctly you might need to reconfigure, or check your xorg.conf file |
| 00:22.33 | _2 | syzygy i didn't have one, i did generate an xorg.conf via X -configure but it didn't change a thing. what do you want to know about it in particular ? |
| 00:22.34 | scient | Wyzard: well i want audio working so ill try anything |
| 00:22.50 | syzygy | if it is configured to recognize vesa |
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| 00:23.02 | icebrain | cirzgamanti: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Driver "ati" to Driver "vesa", for example |
| 00:23.07 | syzygy | _2: and the settings on your monitor |
| 00:23.11 | node_ | sorry, how do you disable IPv6 support for debian? |
| 00:23.11 | Mousey | in ati's case 'radeon" |
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| 00:23.18 | gribouille | icebrain, like sofware management ? |
| 00:23.18 | Wyzard | scient: That's not a good reason to use a deprecated tool that just creates unnecessary configuration clutter :-) |
| 00:23.18 | jpinx | Mousey: I know plenty of computer users that never get past messenger and a browser |
| 00:23.25 | Wyzard | scient: What I'd do is remove any aliases that alsaconf created, then just reboot and see if snd-emu10k1 gets loaded automatically |
| 00:23.25 | cirzgamanti | scient: i had an audio problem and used an usb audio card, which worked out of the box. |
| 00:23.31 | scient | Wyzard: anything elsei might try, snd_emu10k1 is loaded |
| 00:23.34 | _2 | syzygy ? |
| 00:23.46 | syzygy | you said you installed vesa right? |
| 00:23.47 | scient | cirzgamanti: but emu10k1 is one of the most popular sound cards |
| 00:23.57 | Mousey | jpinx: i was complimenting your answer on its high zen score |
| 00:24.03 | _2 | syzygy ? make sure xorg is running correctly <<<< ? |
| 00:24.07 | scient | and is excellent cause it has hardware mixing |
| 00:24.08 | Wyzard | scient: I'd also unload and reload the snd-emu10k1 module and check dmesg for errors or warnings |
| 00:24.16 | syzygy | _2: you installed vesa right? |
| 00:24.21 | icebrain | gribouille: I don't know the details, never got to use much Ubuntu, but yes, I think it has much more management GUIs |
| 00:24.22 | cirzgamanti | scient: was just a suggestion if you really need desperately sound and don't get it to work. |
| 00:24.30 | syzygy | _2: did you then reconfigured xorg? |
| 00:24.39 | _2 | syzygy i said i tested using the vesa driver, no joy. vesa driver doesn't display anything. |
| 00:24.49 | gribouille | I'm using ubuntu right now and it sux quite a bit. is debian better ? |
| 00:25.02 | syzygy | _2: how did you test it? |
| 00:25.05 | module000 | gribouille: how does it "sux" |
| 00:25.06 | jpinx | gribouille: what are you trying to do that fails? |
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| 00:25.17 | _2 | syzygy startx |
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| 00:25.25 | scient | rmmod: command not found |
| 00:25.28 | _2 | syzygy what do you mean how did i test it ? |
| 00:25.32 | gribouille | module000, I've had some problems with software updates |
| 00:25.42 | syzygy | _2: I mean, what did you do after installing vesa drivers? |
| 00:25.47 | jpinx | gribouille: this is not ubuntu support - unless it allows you to join debian ;) |
| 00:25.49 | scient | how do i get that detection script in bash where it tells you the package when you type in a command thats notinstalled? |
| 00:25.51 | cirzgamanti | icebrain: that doesn't work. |
| 00:25.51 | module000 | gribouille: using ubuntu's gui? |
| 00:25.53 | gribouille | packages that are broken |
| 00:26.03 | Wyzard | scient: did you run it as root? |
| 00:26.07 | elpargo | hi, which is the recommended way of running stable and using only one package (and it's dependencies) from sid? |
| 00:26.11 | scient | ahhhhhhhh |
| 00:26.11 | gribouille | module000, no, command line |
| 00:26.19 | scient | i forget that /sbin is not in path |
| 00:26.21 | module000 | gribouille: a sign....that you should be using debian |
| 00:26.24 | syzygy | _2: did you reconfigure xorg? |
| 00:26.25 | cirzgamanti | isn't there a command that repeats what lenny does at install time, and spits out a working xorg.conf? |
| 00:26.28 | gribouille | jpinx, I'm not looking for ubuntu support here |
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| 00:26.31 | jpinx | elpargo: backports is good |
| 00:26.38 | _2 | syzygy i ran startx and the monitor never changed. i checked the process table and X was running. i used ^C to kill "startx" and it dies normally but the monitor never changes. |
| 00:26.58 | cirzgamanti | gribouille: every distro has its good and bad sides. |
| 00:27.07 | gribouille | how long will lenny be supported ? |
| 00:27.10 | _2 | syzygy and yes i edited xorg.conf after that, and changed "vesa" back to "radeon" |
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| 00:27.42 | cirzgamanti | gribouille: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases |
| 00:27.51 | jpinx | gribouille: not implcated. Debian has an excellent record of package management |
| 00:28.07 | syzygy | _2: okay, then you restarted xorg...then you might want to check and see if fglrx supports your series of card,it worked for me |
| 00:28.08 | Wyzard | gribouille: a year after squeeze is released, or until squeeze's successor is released, whichever comes first (probably the year) |
| 00:28.23 | jpinx | gribouille: what packages are you having problems with? |
| 00:28.45 | _2 | syzygy so, i'm back to installing non-free crap as my only option ? |
| 00:28.55 | gribouille | jpinx, I tried to install kde 4.2 in intrpid, and it screwd the system |
| 00:29.01 | module000 | cirzgamanti: xorgconfig |
| 00:29.03 | syzygy | _2: beats me, look up your card and see if it works |
| 00:29.17 | Dracie | gribouille, wtf are you doing on #debian go to #ubuntu for intrepid help |
| 00:29.22 | _2 | ok. |
| 00:29.26 | syzygy | most cards older than 2007 have free drivers for Radeon, I suspect the same with yours |
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| 00:29.36 | cirzgamanti | module000: there's no package of this name. |
| 00:29.42 | gribouille | Dracie, I'm comparing ubuntu and debian |
| 00:29.42 | jpinx | gribouille: there's your answer - install debian and come back |
| 00:29.55 | syzygy | jpinx: lol |
| 00:30.08 | EMH_Mark3 | is it possible to add a delay to raid autodetect when booting or something |
| 00:30.15 | abrotman | gribouille: this is a support channel |
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| 00:30.31 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 change the order in the initramfs scripts |
| 00:30.34 | module000 | cirzgamanti: also you can dpkg-reconfigure <package>, in your case , "dpkg-reconfrigure xserver-xorg" |
| 00:30.40 | gribouille | why are you getting nervous when people talk about ubuntu ? |
| 00:30.42 | module000 | cirzgamanti: or somethign very similarly typed |
| 00:30.49 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 then rebuild the initramfs.img |
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| 00:31.04 | module000 | gribouille: ubuntu users need more support than debian sysops care to give. |
| 00:31.09 | Dracie | gribouille, lol there isn't much to compare... ubuntu is designed for people who don't compile their own kernels while debian is |
| 00:31.11 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: I don't think my system uses initram |
| 00:31.22 | Dracie | ubuntu fails at recompiling nonfree modules |
| 00:31.25 | syzygy | gribouille: this channel is called "debian" not "ubunutu" different channel |
| 00:31.39 | syzygy | gribouille: go there for ubuntu problems |
| 00:31.45 | jpinx | Dracie: beg to differ - I've been using debian for years and never compiled a kernel |
| 00:31.48 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 you have raid and ext2/3fs support built in ? |
| 00:32.03 | cirzgamanti | module000: xorgconfig is deprecated it seems. i tried reconfigure, that didn't work. |
| 00:32.04 | Dracie | jpinx, you have never played a game a that requires a low latency kernel eh? |
| 00:32.04 | gribouille | I'm considreing switching from ubuntu to debian |
| 00:32.09 | EMH_Mark3 | yeah I have raid, ext4 and sata drives all built into kernel |
| 00:32.20 | maximus_ | Dracie: well, debian is at least designed for people who know how to bootstrap a system. Forgot my old gentoo days :P |
| 00:32.25 | jpinx | Dracie: I don't play games on teh computer |
| 00:32.26 | module000 | cirzgamanti: what didn't work about reconfigure? what was the error msg? |
| 00:32.29 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 if you didn't compile your own kernel with the support for raid and file systems built in then you use an initramfs |
| 00:32.40 | Dracie | lol consoles are a waste of time too expensive and do too little |
| 00:33.01 | cirzgamanti | gribouille: i myself tried ubuntu, didn't work for me, switched to debian, never looked anywhere else. but i'm a console person mostly, for gui people it's probably a nice distro. |
| 00:33.08 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: I did compile my own kernel -- how can I check if system is currently using initram? |
| 00:33.29 | jpinx | gribouille: you can see the level of support given to all debian users here - install debian and come back |
| 00:33.36 | Wyzard | Dracie: What game requires you to compile a custom kernel to play it? |
| 00:33.40 | n3kl | Hi |
| 00:33.48 | n3kl | Anyone got nfsv4 working with ldap and kerberos? |
| 00:33.56 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 ummm run update-initrd ??? |
| 00:33.59 | maximus_ | Wyzard: anything that uses jack? any games that use jack? |
| 00:33.59 | Dracie | Wyzard, etqw really requires a kernel with low latency to play well on linux |
| 00:34.02 | module000 | cirzgamanti: also, delete or rename your xorg.conf before dpkg-reconfiguring, if it sees an existing(but edited) file, it will give up |
| 00:34.18 | module000 | cirzgamanti: otherwise it will run you through the same config you did at install-time |
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| 00:34.25 | cirzgamanti | module000: there was no error while configuring. but it doesn't write anything in the Device section for example, and 'startx' says 'no matching device section for instance busid pci:4:0:1 found' |
| 00:34.25 | Dracie | I used archlinux for awhile that as pretty fun... difficult to maintain though |
| 00:34.31 | maximus_ | you need a realtime kernel for some games |
| 00:34.49 | syzygy | gribouille: then get a live cd and run it on your machine |
| 00:34.52 | Dracie | plus who likes running a 686 kernel when you could run a kernel for your current arch |
| 00:34.58 | Wyzard | maximus_: I must confess I don't know of any games that use JACK -- they all use ALSA or OSS afaik |
| 00:35.01 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: hm what? |
| 00:35.05 | scient | hmm when i remove and reload snd_emu10k1 then i am able to play something with aplay |
| 00:35.16 | syzygy | gribouille: repos should have it for free |
| 00:35.17 | scient | but not in any other application, then when i restart the session nothing works again |
| 00:35.26 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 should tell you if you are using an initramfs |
| 00:35.26 | maximus_ | Wyzard: yeah, was kind of joking. but there are a few games which have fairly poor sound without RT support |
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| 00:35.35 | gribouille | if I install debian 4 (which I have on CD), can I upgrade to lenny easily ? |
| 00:35.47 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: doesn't look like that script/program is even installed |
| 00:35.47 | Dracie | maximus_, actually etqw suffers all over from no rt support |
| 00:35.53 | Wyzard | I've played Quake 4 and Doom 3 (both pretty demanding games) in Debian without needing a special kernel |
| 00:35.57 | maximus_ | ah |
| 00:35.57 | Dracie | massive frame lockup |
| 00:36.00 | Dracie | and such |
| 00:36.09 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 they you probably arent |
| 00:36.25 | Vasistha | gribouille: why not just get a lenny netinst cd? you are going to download more than that amount anyway in all likelihood |
| 00:36.26 | Dracie | its hard to compile nv drivers in ubuntu i tried and thats why i am using debian lol |
| 00:36.30 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 oh wait. update-initramfs |
| 00:36.36 | _2 | sorry, |
| 00:36.37 | Dracie | gribouille, go use debootstrap |
| 00:36.42 | EMH_Mark3 | ah. with what options? |
| 00:36.47 | Dracie | debootstrap is how you should isntall stuff imo |
| 00:36.58 | Dracie | i mean most distros should have a feature like it |
| 00:37.07 | maximus_ | you mean use the debian 4 disk as a netinstall? |
| 00:37.10 | Dracie | hell gentoo just has a guide that is sufficient |
| 00:37.20 | _2 | -u |
| 00:37.28 | Dracie | maximus_, no you install debian from an existing computer os on the machine |
| 00:37.35 | cirzgamanti | module000: it writes a new xorg.conf, which doesn't workwith above mentioned error. |
| 00:37.46 | maximus_ | Dracie: oh, I see |
| 00:37.46 | Dracie | not from a live enviroment |
| 00:37.52 | Dracie | i mean you could but there really isn't a point |
| 00:37.55 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: update-initramfs -uv -k all just says 'Nothing to do, exiting' |
| 00:37.56 | cirzgamanti | i tried to delete it before doing it again now, same result. |
| 00:37.58 | Vasistha | what's that website called, dropwindows.com or ditchwindows ... what is it again? |
| 00:38.13 | Dracie | plus that way you have more control over installation |
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| 00:38.22 | Dracie | goodbyewindows.com i think |
| 00:38.26 | Vasistha | there we go |
| 00:38.31 | Dracie | it owns |
| 00:38.43 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 why -k ? |
| 00:38.45 | LightKnight | "goodbyemicrosoft"? |
| 00:38.46 | Vasistha | seldom have I heard a better name for a web site |
| 00:39.00 | LightKnight | "goodbye-microsoft.com", I guess. |
| 00:39.24 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: I don't know, just to see if it said anything different. it doesn't. |
| 00:39.40 | maximus_ | I don't particularly like the whole Ubuntu idea of 'anyone's linux' |
| 00:40.01 | gribouille | is flash available on debian ? |
| 00:40.05 | Dracie | maximus_, i think differenet |
| 00:40.09 | Dracie | gribouille, yes but its a bitch |
| 00:40.10 | maximus_ | server, desktop, netbook, well at least it got split into like 20 distros |
| 00:40.11 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 -uv i get this Available versions: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 00:40.23 | gribouille | Dracie, why ? |
| 00:40.24 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.31 | LightKnight | gribouille: gnash or swdec. Or flashplugin-nonfree (IIRC) on -volatile. |
| 00:40.32 | Dracie | the flashplugin-nonfree package isn't fetching the flash library |
| 00:40.33 | maximus_ | amd64 flash is available |
| 00:40.37 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: -uv I get 'nothing to do, exiting', which lends me to think that initrd.img isn't being used |
| 00:40.42 | Dracie | or atleast for me |
| 00:40.48 | Dracie | so I am going to have ot manually install it |
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| 00:41.11 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 note the differance. i tend to agree with you |
| 00:41.13 | Wyzard | gribouille: It's easy to install in sid, but a little more complicated for lenny |
| 00:41.14 | maximus_ | hmm, gonna have to add volatile. gnash is still only useful for like YouTube |
| 00:42.04 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: so seing how it's not using initrd, how do I tell it to load sata drivers before attempting to assemble raid arrays? |
| 00:42.21 | Dracie | Wyzard, try # apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree and tell me if it works |
| 00:42.27 | Dracie | it will epic fai |
| 00:42.28 | Dracie | fail* |
| 00:42.33 | Dracie | in sid too |
| 00:43.11 | Wyzard | Dracie: If so, that's a bug in the package, which isn't unusual in sid, and will likely be fixed before long |
| 00:43.24 | Dracie | Wyzard, how do i make it install jw? |
| 00:43.40 | Wyzard | Dracie: My point was that the package at least *exists* in sid, and barring any transient bugs, works properly |
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| 00:44.33 | Dracie | Wyzard, hmmm iirc its because of MD5 sum changes right? |
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| 00:44.51 | Wyzard | Dracie: If that's all, that just means Adobe released a new version and the package hasn't yet been updated to recognize it |
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| 00:45.14 | Dracie | Wyzard, looks like its time to go fetch the source :D |
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| 00:46.20 | gribouille | what is lenny-volatile ? |
| 00:46.27 | pasky | hi, i have upgraded couple of packages from etch to a version from external source; now I'd like to downgrade them back, can i do that easily? |
| 00:46.50 | Wyzard | !tell gribouille about volatile |
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| 00:48.18 | Cope57 | GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 00:48.18 | Cope57 | These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. |
| 00:48.18 | Cope57 | Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'. |
| 00:48.18 | Cope57 | Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general. |
| 00:48.18 | Cope57 | Use `man -k' or `info' to find out more about commands not in this list. |
| 00:48.26 | Dracie | lol owned |
| 00:48.42 | Dracie | !echo hi |
| 00:48.42 | dpkg | hi |
| 00:48.45 | Dracie | ok |
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| 00:48.49 | Dracie | thats the name of the dude |
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| 00:49.43 | Cope57 | :-D |
| 00:49.52 | Dracie | Cope57, lol you got owned :P |
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| 00:50.26 | Cope57 | Not really, there was no exchange of monies |
| 00:50.31 | _2 | pfft, when i'm tired of messing with a script, i know how to fix them. "rm `which update-initramfs`" script fixed. |
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| 00:51.42 | simonrvn | !tell Cope57 -about paste |
| 00:51.44 | ravil | how can I completely remove all gnome2 settings? removing ~/.gnome2 and gconf don't help... |
| 00:52.12 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: lol |
| 00:52.26 | Cope57 | :| |
| 00:52.36 | EMH_Mark3 | seems there's an md= kernel option that can be used to specify which arrays to mount and which drives to use.. I'll try that |
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| 00:52.40 | Dracie | i have a better question |
| 00:52.47 | Wyzard | ravil: There's also .gnome and .gnome2_private |
| 00:52.49 | Dracie | how about i ask how to install flash in sid |
| 00:52.50 | _2 | to install fglrx eta 13h15min18s |
| 00:52.50 | jpinx | gnome and kde are almost as insidious as MS |
| 00:53.03 | Dracie | jpinx, stop taking drugs |
| 00:53.08 | gribouille | does anyone use kde 4.2 on lenny here ? |
| 00:53.15 | ravil | Wyzard: removed it too, but nothing happens |
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| 00:53.51 | abrotman | gribouille: #debian-kde |
| 00:53.58 | simonrvn | gribouille: what kde 4.2 on lenny? no such thing. |
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| 00:54.52 | _2 | !fglrx |
| 00:54.53 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
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| 00:55.01 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 00:55.19 | EMH_Mark3 | brb |
| 00:55.28 | jpinx | am I better to install ath5k or stick with modifying madwifi ? |
| 00:55.28 | _2 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 00:55.28 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx. |
| 00:55.39 | pasky | looks like my only choice is to remove xorg altogether and install them from scratch |
| 00:55.42 | pasky | :( |
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| 00:55.59 | _2 | what is this part " && m-a a-i fglrx && " <<< m-a is not a command |
| 00:56.30 | pasky | m-a comes from module-assistant |
| 00:56.44 | Dracie | m-a <3 |
| 00:56.45 | Wyzard | _2: You missed the "aptitude install module-assistant" part |
| 00:56.56 | _2 | Wyzard no i didn't |
| 00:57.07 | Dracie | _2, yes you did |
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| 00:57.23 | _2 | Dracie no i didn't |
| 00:57.33 | Wyzard | _2: well, /usr/bin/m-a is part of the module-assistant package |
| 00:57.47 | Dracie | =] |
| 00:57.51 | _2 | Wyzard ok so i can have that command in 13 hours. |
| 00:58.08 | jpinx | does anyone have experience of the ath5k driver - or should I stick with modifying madwifi? |
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| 00:58.14 | Wyzard | _2: why in 13 hours? |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | jpinx: be less vague |
| 00:58.21 | _2 | Wyzard download time |
| 00:58.27 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Do you find it to be stable and working? |
| 00:58.32 | nightglider28 | Or have you not tried it? |
| 00:58.50 | Wyzard | _2: you're trying to run "m-a a-i fglrx" before you've actually finished installing module-assistant and the fglrx packages? |
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| 00:59.03 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: doh I thought I was on to something. md: Unknown device name: sda1 |
| 00:59.21 | pl4yer0ne | Is there any benefit or reason to use m-a over nvidias driver install routine? |
| 00:59.24 | jpinx | abrotman - I am getting undated information from various sources that talk about modifying madwifi to support ath5k - or to purge madwifi and install ath5k |
| 00:59.28 | jpinx | which is better? |
| 00:59.37 | nightglider28 | !ath5k |
| 00:59.37 | dpkg | i heard ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | jpinx: are you on lenny? |
| 00:59.46 | _2 | Wyzard doing all i can ahead of time. yes. learning what i can about it. |
| 01:00.08 | jpinx | abrtoman yes |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | jpinx: the ath5k is already in lenny |
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| 01:00.11 | Wyzard | _2: Well, it's good to read ahead |
| 01:00.11 | nightglider28 | abrotman: Annoying how we're getting a flood of people asking about madwifi vs ath5k, now. :P |
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| 01:00.23 | _2 | Wyzard y thank you. |
| 01:00.27 | Wyzard | _2: but it goes without saying that you can't run programs you haven't installed yet |
| 01:00.27 | nightglider28 | checks something. |
| 01:00.31 | jpinx | abrotman: well - something isn't working then..:9 |
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| 01:00.40 | _2 | obviously |
| 01:00.45 | ravil | where gnome2 keep it's settings? |
| 01:00.56 | nightglider28 | abrotman: I'm going to check a box I have that has Etch and an Atheros chip. |
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| 01:01.03 | abrotman | jpinx: need more info |
| 01:01.09 | barton | how can I spin down the HD? |
| 01:01.11 | nightglider28 | Interesting. |
| 01:01.21 | Wyzard | barton: There's an hdparm command for that |
| 01:01.26 | nightglider28 | wonders if his mother's atheros card is supported by ath5k. |
| 01:01.33 | _2 | so there is no kernel source for fglrx in the i686 spectrum ? |
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| 01:01.57 | _2 | that means to use fglrx i'm forced to use an i486 kernel ? |
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| 01:02.13 | dvs | _2 686 too |
| 01:02.23 | cirzgamanti | so, why does a fresh debian install spit out a working xorg.conf, but dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't? |
| 01:02.25 | Dracie | i would freak out if there wasn't a 686 package |
| 01:02.36 | jpinx | abrotman: I edited /etc/network/interfaces to allow hotplug for wifi0 and added the line for wifi0 inet dhcp , but no luck when I do ifup wifi0 |
| 01:02.43 | _2 | dvs why does it insist on installing linux-image-486 then ? |
| 01:02.48 | Dracie | cirzgamanti, hmm? |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | jpinx: does that device exist in ifconfig -a ? |
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| 01:03.02 | dvs | _2: you're talking about the installer right? |
| 01:03.07 | barton | Wyzard, thanks trying |
| 01:03.31 | nightglider28 | jpinx: Can you do an lspci on the machine? |
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| 01:03.38 | dvs | is waiting for squeeze to be released. ;-) |
| 01:03.57 | patrikf | !wwsr |
| 01:03.57 | dpkg | But Lenny isn't even out yet! Squeeze is the version after Lenny. |
| 01:04.02 | _2 | dvs i'm talking about apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| 01:04.07 | patrikf | hmm |
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| 01:04.26 | Dracie | this is fail |
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| 01:04.30 | fabiosarts | hi |
| 01:04.35 | cirzgamanti | Dracie: i was trying to get back a working X, after having tried the proprietary ati driver, which freezes. but failed. |
| 01:05.03 | _2 | dvs trying to install fglrx-driver pulls in fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-486 |
| 01:05.03 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.03 | cirzgamanti | so i wondered if there's not some magical command that does what lenny did when installing a week ago. |
| 01:05.06 | jpinx | nightglider28: lspci -nn gave Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01) |
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| 01:05.13 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 01:05.13 | dpkg | There is no estimate currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the topic. |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:05.24 | barton | is there a way to monitor the HD spindown-ness? |
| 01:05.34 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
| 01:05.42 | fabiosarts | i'm trying to make an network between two computers with bluetooth |
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| 01:05.46 | Dracie | cirzgamanti, uh, change your driver to vesa and then rebuild your xorg... |
| 01:05.49 | dvs | _2: Oh, 486 is probably the first package to satisfy fglrx-modules |
| 01:05.50 | cirzgamanti | barton: spindown-ness? |
| 01:05.51 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 01:05.51 | dpkg | There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the topic. |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | better! |
| 01:05.55 | cirzgamanti | like hdparm? |
| 01:06.05 | Dracie | =[ well ima go see about installing something else a little more insteresting |
| 01:06.05 | dee25 | how u install |
| 01:06.07 | cirzgamanti | Dracie: rebuild? |
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| 01:06.10 | barton | cirzgamanti, if it has spinned down or not |
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| 01:06.11 | dee25 | flashplayer |
| 01:06.12 | patrikf | abrotman: indeed |
| 01:06.13 | gravity | "rebuild your xorg"? |
| 01:06.14 | dee25 | ? |
| 01:06.20 | gravity | cirzgamanti: Remove fglrx entirely |
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| 01:06.25 | cirzgamanti | barton: i think hdparm should do that. |
| 01:06.37 | ravil | guys :( how can I reset all gnome settings? |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | ravil: what are you really trying to do? |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | or undo |
| 01:07.01 | cirzgamanti | gravity: i don't really know how, it wasn't installed via apt iirc. |
| 01:07.05 | nightglider28 | jpinx: ath5k only seems to support ar5xxx devices. |
| 01:07.17 | nightglider28 | So it will probably not work on your card. |
| 01:07.21 | ravil | abrotman: oh, nothing... dpkg-reconfigure solved all problems |
| 01:07.24 | nightglider28 | I recommend you stick with madwifi. |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | nightglider28: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k#supportedchips |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | ravil: uhm .. so you don't need to get rid of gnome2 settings anymore ? |
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| 01:08.15 | nightglider28 | abrotman: That's where I got the statement that I just told him... |
| 01:08.20 | simonrvn | hello |
| 01:08.39 | gravity | cirzgamanti: Well, I can tell you that the code that generates your xorg.conf is the same when you install or when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. The problem is fglrx. |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | nightglider28: they're not all ar5xxxx |
| 01:08.52 | nightglider28 | ffs |
| 01:09.12 | nightglider28 | They have to sneak TWO 24xx cards on that list, damnit. |
| 01:09.25 | nightglider28 | abrotman: Either way, it doesn't list his. |
| 01:09.34 | jpin1 | nightglider28: what do you suggest for me then? |
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| 01:10.18 | Cope57 | My opinion, wicd |
| 01:10.21 | nightglider28 | jpin1: madwifi. |
| 01:10.54 | jpin1 | nightglider28: ok - I appear to have madwifi installed |
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| 01:11.08 | jpin1 | nightglider28: what to do to make it work |
| 01:11.21 | enouf | jpinx: still at it? answer abrotman 's question about ifconfig -a output |
| 01:11.46 | jpin1 | enouf: yea - didn't get to finish the job this morning |
| 01:12.03 | enouf | wifi0 appears to be a MadWifi iface name for it |
| 01:12.15 | enouf | athX would be the ath5k iface name |
| 01:12.28 | enouf | which drivers are you using? |
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| 01:12.32 | patrikf | enouf: other way round, I think |
| 01:12.40 | enouf | patrikf: i don't |
| 01:12.40 | jpin1 | I appear to have ath0 and wifri0 |
| 01:12.46 | abrotman | wifri indeed |
| 01:13.00 | ravil | ath5k in 5.0.0 isn't working w/ eeepc atheros wifi :( |
| 01:13.01 | enouf | heh |
| 01:13.03 | dvs | yummy! |
| 01:13.08 | patrikf | well ath5k will generate wlan* devices here |
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| 01:13.25 | enouf | patrikf: how about wemaster0? :-P |
| 01:13.26 | patrikf | and madwifi at least used to call them ath* |
| 01:13.26 | ravil | iwlist wlan0 scanning shows nothing |
| 01:13.27 | patrikf | maybe that has changed now, idk |
| 01:14.04 | enouf | patrikf: i certainly have no idea .. but i did see his dmesg output many hours ago |
| 01:14.09 | nightglider28 | jpin1: I want to say apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-tools && m-a a-i madwifi. |
| 01:14.13 | Gigantic | Hey there, I have some problems burning the DEbian ISO: http://pastebin.be/16712 |
| 01:14.20 | Gigantic | currently runing suse |
| 01:14.26 | jpin1 | abrotman: do you want a complete transcription of that output? |
| 01:14.30 | enouf | patrikf: he had a MadWifi line and also ath_pci was loading |
| 01:14.31 | enouf | so .. |
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| 01:14.42 | nightglider28 | Oh it was loading? |
| 01:14.44 | patrikf | enouf: alright then... just wanted to save you unnecessary hassle :) |
| 01:14.45 | nightglider28 | Fuck me then, I don't know. |
| 01:14.46 | enouf | patrikf: that's all changed now, i bet |
| 01:14.48 | matt7676 | I hope it is not offtopic, but how to format for example /proc/net/dev output? I would like to have all colums aligned etc |
| 01:14.55 | matt7676 | or it there a utility, which can be used to view /proc/net output? |
| 01:15.22 | Gigantic | I've wasted like 6 dvds already =\ |
| 01:15.26 | enouf | matt7676: just watch tail /proc/net/dev :-P |
| 01:15.29 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.57 | enouf | matt7676: or use iftop maybe |
| 01:16.12 | patrikf | is wodim even capable of burning dvds now? |
| 01:16.12 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: looks like I'll have to switch to initrd to get this to work :| |
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| 01:16.27 | enouf | patrikf: i think so .. but i use growisofs |
| 01:16.36 | patrikf | yeah, that's what I'd suggest to Gigantic too |
| 01:16.44 | matt7676 | enouf: tail /proc/ned/dev is messy as well |
| 01:16.55 | Gigantic | srry didnt saw that line and I've tried growisofs |
| 01:16.57 | matt7676 | colums are not aligned for example |
| 01:17.05 | Gigantic | wasted some dvds in that |
| 01:17.18 | jpin1 | wifi0 is showin RX pckets 56 and TX packets 147 |
| 01:17.18 | enouf | yeah, the COLUMNS= variable doesn't work on those things, AFAICT |
| 01:17.27 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 i was kinda thinking that. but didn't want to venture too far into the dark |
| 01:17.31 | jpin1 | so it seems to be trying to do something |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | probably dhcp requests ? |
| 01:17.38 | enouf | talking to lo |
| 01:17.45 | patrikf | Gigantic: can you paste how growisofs failed as well, including your full command line? |
| 01:18.02 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 look on the bright side if there is one. your kernel can be smaller :) |
| 01:18.11 | jpin1 | abrotman: Possibly, but how to tell? |
| 01:18.12 | cirzgamanti | well, that sucks. i did have a bad feeling when installing the fglrx driver from ati. can't find any way to uninstall it :(( |
| 01:18.19 | _2 | patrikf fmt |
| 01:18.34 | patrikf | _2, what? |
| 01:18.42 | enouf | _2: you mean matt7676 |
| 01:18.51 | Gigantic | patrikf: I dont want to waste another dvd just have 2 left :P is there a dummy option? I forgot what the output is |
| 01:18.54 | _2 | sorry. matt7676 fmt |
| 01:19.05 | enouf | yes |
| 01:19.06 | patrikf | Gigantic: "man growisofs" |
| 01:19.09 | enouf | read the man page |
| 01:19.23 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: is tehre a tutorial somewhere on how to switch your system to initramfs? |
| 01:19.25 | jpin1 | abrotman: I'm using another laptop here which is connecting by wifi just fine, so the router is ok |
| 01:19.32 | Gigantic | yeah looking the man page already |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | router is broken! |
| 01:19.34 | _2 | sorry patrikf. wrong handle. |
| 01:19.42 | patrikf | nvm |
| 01:19.50 | enouf | ten four? |
| 01:19.53 | _2 | enouf yes i meant matt |
| 01:19.57 | enouf | ten four sparky? |
| 01:20.06 | Gigantic | but I dont see any such option |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | jpin1: what's the pciid on this PoS ? |
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| 01:20.23 | enouf | it's called dryrun |
| 01:20.25 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 probably, on http://howto-forge.net ? |
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| 01:20.54 | Gigantic | ah yep :) |
| 01:21.08 | enouf | abrotman: 5:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01) |
| 01:21.26 | enouf | abrotman: i already checked it out with http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 01:21.27 | jpin1 | thanks enouf - saved me transcribing again |
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| 01:21.55 | abrotman | tried to open the AP .. no encryptio n? |
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| 01:22.04 | jpin1 | when I run ifconfig wifi0 it is trying |
| 01:22.06 | _2 | i'm lagging to much to try to talk here. -:- CTCP PING reply from _2: 71.803 seconds |
| 01:22.29 | enouf | note how the wiki says the MadWifi drivers blacklist ath5k |
| 01:22.58 | enouf | we've been through all this much earlier, but it seems he reappeared with no new info |
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| 01:23.20 | jpin1 | enouf I can ifdown wifi0 and then ifup wifi0 will get to dhcpdiscover |
| 01:23.38 | enouf | the wiki mentions iwconfig, not that it would matter, but wtf are you trying ifup/down? |
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| 01:23.52 | jpin1 | wifi0 |
| 01:23.53 | ravil | in lenny's updates presented kernel 2.6.27? |
| 01:23.55 | liable | wifi0 would be the master iface |
| 01:23.57 | enouf | do you even have wireless-tools installed? |
| 01:24.14 | Wyzard | ravil: lenny has 2.6.26 |
| 01:24.20 | ravil | :( crap |
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| 01:24.46 | nsadmin | is lennyanahalf gonna have .28? |
| 01:24.50 | jpin1 | enouf: are wireless tools not part of lenny? |
| 01:24.55 | dvs | nsadmin: probably |
| 01:25.01 | Wyzard | or newer |
| 01:25.04 | enouf | dpkg -l will tell you |
| 01:25.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching will tell you |
| 01:25.05 | dvs | nsadmin: but that at least a year away. |
| 01:25.06 | Gigantic | rowisofs -dry-run -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/root/debian-500-i386-DVD-1.iso:-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0 |
| 01:25.09 | Gigantic | g |
| 01:25.18 | enouf | haha |
| 01:25.25 | meteor-1500 | hi - i've got a rather annoying problem with the 8139too driver, it detects my card, set up the interface but when i try to bring it up it says no such device |
| 01:25.27 | enouf | Gigantic: your media sucks |
| 01:25.27 | nsadmin | why? .28 is here now |
| 01:25.40 | meteor-1500 | eth0 is detected as an 81390 card by the 8139too driver |
| 01:25.48 | Gigantic | no, I've tried Verbatim, GL etc |
| 01:25.49 | dvs | nsadmin: lennynahalf is a long ways off |
| 01:25.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: we won't know for awhile |
| 01:25.51 | Wyzard | nsadmin: because two days after lenny's release wouldn't really be "lenny-and-a-half" |
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| 01:26.00 | Gigantic | my cds are ok, and my drives used to work |
| 01:26.11 | enouf | Gigantic: no, use a new blank and run dvd+rw-mediainfo |
| 01:26.15 | Gigantic | nothing changed, actually one of the dcs is an usb |
| 01:26.26 | enouf | ugh |
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| 01:26.44 | Gigantic | :-( not an MMC unit! |
| 01:26.48 | Gigantic | o.o |
| 01:26.50 | enouf | haha |
| 01:27.04 | Gigantic | s/dcs/cds |
| 01:27.09 | jpin1 | enouf - dpkg lists wirelesstools |
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| 01:27.20 | enouf | jpin1: as? ii ? |
| 01:27.29 | jpin1 | as ii |
| 01:27.36 | enouf | jpinx: so, use them |
| 01:27.41 | enouf | read the docs |
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| 01:27.57 | Wyzard | Gigantic: That indicates it's misdetecting the drive somehow |
| 01:28.01 | enouf | jpinx: you know about /usr/share/doc/ right? |
| 01:28.18 | jpin1 | nope |
| 01:28.20 | enouf | jpinx: and jpin1 are = ? |
| 01:28.24 | jpin1 | yes |
| 01:28.32 | jpin1 | I have both laptops online |
| 01:28.41 | enouf | i know - just confirming for others |
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| 01:29.07 | jpin1 | killing my alter ego now |
| 01:29.15 | Gigantic | rly, WTF did tehy do to suse... |
| 01:29.29 | Gigantic | Ima burn it with knoppix, ty brb |
| 01:29.38 | jpin1 | enouf - where do I read up about wireless-tools |
| 01:29.52 | enouf | Gigantic: got networking? consider perhaps http://goodbye-windows.com ;-) |
| 01:30.12 | Gigantic | yup, but I dont trust my Internet :) |
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| 01:30.30 | Gigantic | last time I got stuck at the middle |
| 01:31.02 | Gigantic | anyways I urge to say goodby-suse |
| 01:31.02 | enouf | jpin1: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1339589 |
| 01:31.36 | Gigantic | I've opened like 12 tickets... im tired |
| 01:31.41 | Gigantic | well by by |
| 01:32.05 | enouf | well, atleast you're not wasting your precious crappy DVD blanks |
| 01:32.13 | jpin1 | enouf: ta |
| 01:32.22 | meteor-1500 | anyone be able to tell me why dmesg would tell me my 8139 network card is detected as eth0 but when i try to initialise it or anything it says no device? |
| 01:32.35 | meteor-1500 | i've never had problems with these nics before they seem to have always worked easily |
| 01:32.38 | Wyzard | meteor-1500: defective card? |
| 01:32.49 | _2 | also sense the last update. when i power down, the lappy wont power up like it is supposed to. i have to press the power button, (it lights up) then press and hold it until it goes off, then i can press it one time for power on, why is this ? |
| 01:32.50 | enouf | jpin1: dpkg -L wireless-tools | grep doc would show the same |
| 01:32.51 | meteor-1500 | Wyzard: known working card, tested it just before |
| 01:33.06 | meteor-1500 | had similiar issue when i plugged in a usb nic too |
| 01:33.22 | jpin1 | enouf: sheesh - it's all greek to me.... |
| 01:33.30 | Wyzard | so it's any network interface, not just the 8139? |
| 01:33.37 | enouf | jpin1: once you run similar commands often enough, you get the feeling most docs are in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ |
| 01:33.52 | meteor-1500 | Wyzard: seems to be |
| 01:34.00 | Wyzard | meteor-1500: that's significant |
| 01:34.07 | meteor-1500 | the onboard nforce 630a chipset nic isn't even detected |
| 01:34.25 | enouf | jpin1: /msg dpkg grounding or go back to *buntu and windows |
| 01:34.28 | _2 | when dpkg -l lists something what means ^un and ^pn ? |
| 01:34.31 | meteor-1500 | Wyzard: yeah at first i thought it may have just been slightly dodgy support for the usb nic |
| 01:34.45 | enouf | uninstalled/purged - no info |
| 01:34.50 | meteor-1500 | Wyzard: it was working well on my previous onboard network card, just upgraded mobo and cpu now though |
| 01:34.54 | meteor-1500 | so new chipset |
| 01:35.00 | enouf | read the headers _2 |
| 01:35.14 | meteor-1500 | both cards onboard and 8139 work on windows too |
| 01:35.15 | _2 | enouf header is too cryptic to read |
| 01:35.20 | jpin1 | enouf: is there anywhere I can actually read these docs? |
| 01:35.25 | enouf | !try |
| 01:35.25 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 01:35.34 | jpin1 | it's just coming up as symbols |
| 01:35.40 | enouf | jpin1: zless |
| 01:35.49 | enouf | jpin1: or gunzip them |
| 01:36.28 | amphi | or use w3m as a pager ;) |
| 01:36.37 | enouf | or links2 :-) |
| 01:36.43 | jpin1 | zless works ta |
| 01:36.57 | _2 | so i guess my kernel has been removed ;/ |
| 01:37.26 | _2 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-* | grep ^ii |
| 01:37.28 | _2 | ii linux-sound-base |
| 01:37.30 | nightglider28 | -.- |
| 01:37.45 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 01:37.45 | nsadmin | _2 you get used to reading technical stuff by doing it and thinking about the pieces... one feature of such writing is it tends to be more compressed and concise |
| 01:38.29 | toolz | how can I see what connections are currently open on my server and on what port? |
| 01:38.31 | toolz | on debian |
| 01:38.33 | _2 | nsadmin yes. but why does dpkg show that my kernel has been removed ? |
| 01:38.37 | nsadmin | rooby reen a rad roy? |
| 01:38.52 | enouf | toolz: netstat, lsof |
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| 01:39.02 | nsadmin | dunno... look in /boot and confirm |
| 01:39.03 | jpin1 | why do I have to have a degree in computing science to make a pcmcia wifi card work? |
| 01:39.13 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/f358e11da |
| 01:39.14 | enouf | huh? |
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| 01:39.19 | toolz | I always forget about it |
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| 01:39.34 | mischief6 | does anyone know of a mail daemon supporting IMAPS? |
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| 01:39.42 | nsadmin | jpin1: more moving parts? |
| 01:39.54 | enouf | _2: try without the grep .. |
| 01:40.04 | go8ose | congrats on lenny release. I upgraded last week, and my wifi stopped working. O |
| 01:40.10 | enouf | _2: it might be half installed :-P |
| 01:40.10 | jpin1 | enouf: i am none the wiser |
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| 01:40.15 | go8ose | I'm wondering if I should bug report it, or discuss here? |
| 01:40.21 | _2 | enouf that pastebin is without the grep |
| 01:40.26 | enouf | oh |
| 01:40.32 | jpin1 | enouf: the docs served only to confound me |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | go8ose: ath5k ? |
| 01:40.43 | enouf | shows how lazy i am sometimes |
| 01:40.48 | go8ose | mischief6: dovecot |
| 01:40.50 | enouf | s/i am/he is |
| 01:40.57 | go8ose | abrotman: iwl3945 |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | go8ose: i think you want iwlwifi now ? |
| 01:41.09 | enouf | </3rd once-removed party reference> |
| 01:41.16 | enouf | er |
| 01:41.18 | _2 | thinks i am he |
| 01:41.22 | amphi | jpin1: heh - what card? is it really pcmcia, or cardbus? |
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| 01:41.29 | enouf | therefore, i am |
| 01:41.30 | mischief6 | go8ose, is that a very good/well supported maild? |
| 01:41.51 | enouf | amphi: 5:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01) |
| 01:41.51 | jpin1 | amphi: how would I tell the difference? It is in the pcmcia slot |
| 01:41.52 | go8ose | abrotman: yeah, strange thing is I was running the backport 2.6.24 kernel, so I was already running the iwlwifi module, and the same firmware as is in Lenny. |
| 01:42.00 | nsadmin | one reason you need to be more experienced... in order to be a free operating system you trade your effort toward your own ends, and that includes learning how |
| 01:42.04 | amphi | enouf: the Cartesian Theatre is empty ;) |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | go8ose: anything useful in dmesg ? |
| 01:42.11 | go8ose | mischief6: I use dovecot on my home server, I like it |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | mischief6: cyrus also does |
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| 01:42.32 | _2 | but anyway. ls /lib/modules shows the kernel modules still existing. and i'm definitely running something. but dpkg is lost as a goose in an hail storm |
| 01:42.37 | amphi | enouf: oh, no idea - compat-wireless maybe? |
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| 01:42.50 | go8ose | abrotman: some stuff: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC |
| 01:43.03 | go8ose | abrotman: and saying that 'MAC is in deep sleep' |
| 01:43.09 | Wyzard | _2: The kernel is loaded in memory, but if you uninstalled the package, you'll be unable to boot again if you shut down |
| 01:43.09 | _2 | maybe i should be asking why is my "dpkg" database broken ??? |
| 01:43.12 | enouf | amphi: i think i recall his dmesg noting Both Yenta socket PCMCIA refs, pcmcia0 and 1 and CardBus |
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| 01:43.24 | _2 | Wyzard but i just booted the thing |
| 01:43.27 | Wyzard | _2: but if you'd uninstalled the kernel package, the modules directory wouldn't exist, so something's fishy |
| 01:43.28 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 01:43.37 | enouf | amphi: i lost that pastebin though now ... oh well |
| 01:43.41 | Wyzard | _2: Find your vmlinuz file in /boot and run "dpkg -S" on it |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | go8ose: squeeze me ? |
| 01:43.57 | amphi | enouf: I very much doubt that card is pcmcia - lspci wouldn't show a pcmcia card |
| 01:43.58 | enouf | smells fish |
| 01:44.07 | enouf | amphi: why not? |
| 01:44.14 | liable | amphi: yeah it would |
| 01:44.18 | enouf | amphi: you mean a 16bit one? |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | go8ose: oh .. wait, that doesn't sound that bad |
| 01:44.40 | Wyzard | enouf: 32-bit ones are CardBus, not PCMCIA |
| 01:44.43 | _2 | Wyzard dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 01:44.43 | _2 | dpkg: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 not found. |
| 01:44.43 | dpkg | _2: are you using Windows? |
| 01:44.46 | enouf | i also did see some ISA references ... /me shrugs |
| 01:44.52 | amphi | enouf: pcmcia is 16bit, and cardbus 32, IINM |
| 01:44.55 | liable | well, if you are being pedantic re pcmcia/cardbus :P |
| 01:44.56 | _2 | dpkg you sir, are a bot! |
| 01:44.57 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:44.58 | enouf | Wyzard: that's the Industry name for them - they |
| 01:45.04 | enouf | Wyzard: that's the Industry name for them - they're still PCMCIA |
| 01:45.14 | _2 | and that's my quote ! |
| 01:45.19 | Wyzard | enouf: well, PCMCIA also refers to the physical form factor, not just the interface |
| 01:45.27 | enouf | right! |
| 01:45.29 | Wyzard | _2: yeah, something's definitely wrong |
| 01:45.36 | amphi | enouf: never mind that! |
| 01:45.41 | _2 | some one put quotes around that.... "I resemble that remark!" it's registered. |
| 01:45.53 | _2 | :) |
| 01:46.08 | enouf | amphi: i understand how some ppl in the know might use those terms to distinguish between 16/32 .. sure |
| 01:46.09 | _2 | Wyzard i think we agree on that. yes. |
| 01:46.20 | enouf | amphi: heh |
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| 01:46.44 | go8ose | abrotman: strangely I do get the wlan0 interface listed in the output of 'ip addr', but the wifi indicator light on my laptop doesn't stay on, and NetworkManager refuses to know about the interface |
| 01:46.45 | enouf | jpin1: will you post your friggin dmesg again! |
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| 01:47.03 | enouf | mr computer science engineer |
| 01:47.05 | _2 | so how did i break dpkg so nicely ? |
| 01:47.13 | Wyzard | _2: what'd you change recently? |
| 01:47.23 | jpin1 | amphi: enouf http://pastebin.com/m6226d2a0 |
| 01:47.28 | _2 | Wyzard nothing. |
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| 01:47.31 | Wyzard | _2: check dmesg for messages that could indicate disk I/O errors, btw |
| 01:47.37 | _2 | Wyzard let me look in the dpkg log |
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| 01:47.59 | Wyzard | _2: well, syslog at least; old kernel messages wouldn't be in dmesg if you just rebooted |
| 01:48.19 | nsadmin | so you have a kernel in /boot and its modules in /lib but dpkg isn't aware of it? |
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| 01:48.32 | liable | jpin1: you should not be trying to configure wifi0 |
| 01:48.42 | _2 | grep linux /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:48.42 | _2 | 2009-02-15 20:55:18 conffile /etc/grub.d/10_linux keep |
| 01:48.45 | liable | jpin1: do you have an ath0 iface |
| 01:48.48 | Wyzard | _2: also check some other files, e.g. dpkg -S /bin/ls |
| 01:48.49 | enouf | heh, the Yenta has the ISA refs .. no idea if that matters |
| 01:48.52 | jpin1 | liable: yes |
| 01:48.56 | _2 | nothing about linux-image in the log |
| 01:48.57 | amphi | jpin1: and ifconfog -a shows no interface for the thing? |
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| 01:49.05 | liable | jpin1: configure that iface |
| 01:49.14 | enouf | jpin1: show us ls /sys/class/net ! |
| 01:49.18 | go8ose | is anyone else around here using the iwlwifi module successfully on lenny? |
| 01:49.28 | jpin1 | whoa - I have to transcribe |
| 01:49.28 | liable | go8ose: paste your dmesg |
| 01:49.45 | _2 | dpkg -l bash |
| 01:49.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching bash |
| 01:49.45 | _2 | ii bash 3.2-4 The GNU Bourne Again SHell |
| 01:49.54 | _2 | dpkg -S /bin/bash |
| 01:49.54 | dpkg | You Fool! /bin/bash is installed! |
| 01:49.54 | _2 | bash: /bin/bash |
| 01:49.57 | enouf | ugh . .grub2? |
| 01:50.04 | Wyzard | OK, so it's not like the whole database is gone |
| 01:50.05 | abrotman | go8ose: is the module staying loaded ? |
| 01:50.07 | _2 | enouf yes. |
| 01:50.14 | _2 | enouf it's in the repos. |
| 01:50.18 | jpin1 | ls /sys/class/net shows ath0 irda0 lo wifi0 |
| 01:50.19 | enouf | i know |
| 01:50.24 | go8ose | abrotman: yeah, the module loads |
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| 01:50.25 | enouf | jpin1: ok |
| 01:50.31 | go8ose | abrotman: and stays loaded |
| 01:50.32 | Wyzard | uses grub2 |
| 01:50.34 | _2 | enouf and is a big improvement over grub. i can't use grub |
| 01:50.41 | enouf | so .. he has a wifi0 and a ath0 |
| 01:50.47 | go8ose | abrotman: and the interface is listed in iwconfig, and in ip addr |
| 01:50.56 | enouf | _2: yes you can |
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| 01:50.56 | liable | wifi0 is the master iface |
| 01:51.11 | _2 | enouf no i can't it wont work on my system |
| 01:51.17 | enouf | _2: yes you can |
| 01:51.21 | go8ose | liable: I've got wmaster0 and wlan0 as the interfaces |
| 01:51.28 | enouf | you mean; you won't |
| 01:51.33 | _2 | enouf nope. not without a total reinstall of the system. |
| 01:51.36 | amphi | go8ose: ignore wmaster0 |
| 01:51.39 | enouf | right |
| 01:51.55 | jpin1 | enouf: liable ifconf -a lists both ath0 and wifi0 |
| 01:52.03 | enouf | jpin1: attaboy .. ok |
| 01:52.07 | _2 | enouf and that means it won't be this system. so "i can't use grub on this system" |
| 01:52.08 | module000 | i feel like less of an unwashed heathen since i apt-get dist-upgrade'd... |
| 01:52.09 | jpin1 | *ifconfig |
| 01:52.18 | enouf | jpin1: tell amphi too ;-) |
| 01:52.27 | nsadmin | why? yes you can |
| 01:52.27 | jpin1 | amohi ^^ |
| 01:52.28 | liable | jpin1: yep, just configure ath0, ignore wifi0 |
| 01:52.33 | enouf | _2: this system implies the hardware |
| 01:52.45 | jpin1 | liable: define @configure@ |
| 01:52.50 | Wyzard | enouf: What useful point are you trying to make? |
| 01:53.00 | _2 | enouf implies the hardware with the current OS |
| 01:53.02 | liable | jpin1: your interfaces file |
| 01:53.04 | enouf | Wyzard: no idea - he seems to want to argue |
| 01:53.29 | jpin1 | liable: edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:53.32 | go8ose | It turns out that I've still got the etch backport kernel package still installed. I've tried just booting to that kernel, and that doesn't work either. So I'm confused why going back to the same firmware and kernel as before my lenny upgrade doesn't work now |
| 01:53.40 | Wyzard | enouf: all he did was say he can't use grub1 -- I assume he has his kernel on a RAID or LVM volume or something -- and you started a debate over a technicality |
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| 01:53.42 | enouf | but when people make comments like "i can't use grub on this ..." i take issue sometimes |
| 01:54.05 | enouf | Wyzard: i too presume as such - but he isn't saying - so i don't care anymore |
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| 01:54.12 | liable | jpin1: i saw you mention earlier that you did ifup wifi0, that command reads interfaces file, change wifi0 to ath0 |
| 01:54.21 | Wyzard | enouf: read it as "I can't use grub1 without making major inconvenient changes to my system for no real benefit" if you prefer |
| 01:54.26 | _2 | enouf so, it's ok to be wrong some times. we wont hold it against you. |
| 01:54.29 | Yamakiri|Away | If I get "Connection refused" from my server when trying to access /var/www/file.txt from my server at 192.168.1.6, what should I do? |
| 01:54.32 | _2 | :) |
| 01:54.33 | enouf | Wyzard: acceptable ;-) |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | go8ose: so iwlist scan shows it ? |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | shows your AP |
| 01:55.18 | jpin1 | liable: ok |
| 01:55.20 | enouf | _2: it's ok to be behind #1 .. we won't fault you :-P |
| 01:55.22 | liable | go8ose: paste your dmesg somewhere |
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| 01:55.40 | _2 | Wyzard actually not raid or lvm but rather partitionless hd |
| 01:55.48 | _2 | but yeah |
| 01:55.50 | liable | go8ose: do you have a rfkill switch on that thing? |
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| 01:56.04 | go8ose | liable: yes |
| 01:56.11 | go8ose | liable: it's turned to the enable position |
| 01:56.15 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: is there something that must be enabled in kernel to have it boot initrd? |
| 01:56.17 | Wyzard | _2: interesting, grub1 doesn't support that? |
| 01:56.23 | nsadmin | grub v2 might work on the partitionless system |
| 01:56.30 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 yes initrd support |
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| 01:56.43 | jpin1 | liable - ifup ath0 gets to dhcpdiscover and stalls |
| 01:56.48 | _2 | Wyzard nope. but grub2 does and lilo does |
| 01:56.50 | jpin1 | same as ifupwifi0 did |
| 01:56.56 | go8ose | liable: I've also got a hotkey combo that switches on and off bluetooth and wifi |
| 01:56.57 | Wyzard | _2: I'd think you could just say root (hd0) rather than root (hd0,0) and then load files like usual |
| 01:56.59 | enouf | liable: and amphi i recall seeing some rfkill info in jpin1 dmesg .. but IIRC, it was disabled |
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| 01:57.06 | nsadmin | EMH_Mark3: yes, there are a coupla things that must be in the kernel for that to work |
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| 01:57.16 | enouf | [ 9009.786690] MadWifi: ath_attach: Switching rfkill capability off. |
| 01:57.18 | go8ose | liable: I'm so lucky, I've got both a physical and a soft rfkill switch/key thing! |
| 01:57.26 | EMH_Mark3 | nsadmin: not just initrd support? |
| 01:57.27 | liable | jpin1: does iwconfig show you as associated with a signal strength and mac address of the ap? |
| 01:57.41 | _2 | Wyzard nope. can't install grubs mbr it fails from the grub prompt and from the (grub) scripts |
| 01:57.51 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:57.52 | nsadmin | right, not just initrd support... also must be the filesystem the initrd is on |
| 01:57.58 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/m6226d2a0 |
| 01:58.07 | liable | go8ose: does iwconfig show you as associated with a signal strength and mac address of the ap? |
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| 01:58.36 | jpin1 | liable: iwconfig shows a channel - yes |
| 01:58.38 | liable | jpin1: thats your dmesg |
| 01:58.42 | Wyzard | _2: FWIW, update-grub does handle that scenario correctly -- I rely on that in some Xen guests that I upgraded to lenny and pygrub today |
| 01:58.47 | liable | jpin1: paste your iwconfig output |
| 01:58.48 | go8ose | liable: no. It lists the wlan0 interface, but says I'm not associated |
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| 01:59.05 | _2 | Wyzard and i did fight with it for some time. and asked on irc for several months if anyone could think of a way to get it installed,,, no joy but grub2 works well. |
| 01:59.12 | liable | go8ose: so you need to get it to associate. how are you configuring the iface? |
| 01:59.41 | _2 | <Wyzard> _2: FWIW, update-grub does handle that scenario correctly <<<< ? you have a system installed on a partitionless disk ? |
| 01:59.57 | _2 | thought he was the only idiot that did that. |
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| 02:00.16 | go8ose | liable: in the past (when it worked in etch) I'd use Network Manager. However now network manager doesn't list any of the SSIDs in the area, and a right click on the applet shows wireless option is grayed out |
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| 02:00.26 | dracflamloc | is it possible to install debian 5 with ext4? |
| 02:00.50 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/d48529f77 |
| 02:00.55 | liable | go8ose: paste your dmesg |
| 02:00.56 | jpin1 | liable ^^ |
| 02:01.08 | Wyzard | _2: In my Xen guest, yes -- I have an LVM volume with a filesystem on it in the host, mapped as virtual block device /dev/xvda in the guest |
| 02:01.33 | liable | jpin1: paste your ifaces file and your iwlist scan output |
| 02:01.40 | _2 | Wyzard but you and enouf have been very successful at distracting me from trying to figure out my dpkg issue |
| 02:01.51 | jpin1 | liable: ok minute.... |
| 02:02.05 | _2 | Wyzard so there is no partition at all in that computer ? |
| 02:02.21 | Wyzard | _2: I have grub installed just for the sake of the update-grub program, because Xen's pygrub reads menu.lst, and update-grub put "(hd0) /dev/xvda" in device.map and "root (hd0)" in menu.lst |
| 02:02.29 | enouf | _2: i guess you haven't read the install command then very well http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/install.html |
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| 02:03.00 | Wyzard | _2: There are partitions in the host, one for /boot and a big one containing LVM |
| 02:03.01 | go8ose | liable: I've pasted it in #paste |
| 02:03.13 | enouf | _2: but i will drop it - since you have other problems tto resolve |
| 02:03.21 | Wyzard | _2: It's just the virtual machine that doesn't use partitions, because the partitioning is done already with LVM outside the VM |
| 02:03.26 | liable | go8ose: use a pastebin |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | go8ose: you have to tell us before you do it :) |
| 02:03.44 | liable | go8ose: no point telling me you have pasted it in a channel that i'm not in.. :P |
| 02:03.46 | go8ose | liable: fair enough, loading up pastebin now |
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| 02:04.23 | go8ose | liable: http://pastebin.com/d36731399 |
| 02:04.41 | EMH_Mark3 | let it be known that I'm a complete f---ing idiot |
| 02:04.46 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/d439ad714 |
| 02:04.53 | jpin1 | liable ^^ |
| 02:04.55 | enouf | _2: final thought (i'm not denying there are always some 'exceptions') .. so, let's drop it for now ;-) Now, why is your linux-image-VER not there? |
| 02:05.06 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: here I was wondering why md was initializing arrays before sata drives were available: I had sd_mod as module :O |
| 02:05.19 | _2 | enouf yeah why ? |
| 02:05.35 | liable | go8ose: # |
| 02:05.35 | liable | iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: |
| 02:05.35 | liable | # |
| 02:05.42 | liable | [ 34.694627] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work |
| 02:05.45 | Wyzard | _2: Have you checked syslog for I/O error messages? |
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| 02:06.12 | enouf | _2: did you mess with /etc/kernel-img.conf? how about your /etc/grub.d/* and /etc/default/grub* configs? |
| 02:06.16 | _2 | grep -i error /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:06.19 | _2 | no reply |
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| 02:06.41 | liable | jpin1: yikes, thats an odd name for an ap :P |
| 02:06.47 | liable | jpin1: your interfaces file? |
| 02:06.56 | _2 | enouf how would that affect dpkg ? |
| 02:07.08 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/d6a03b5bf |
| 02:07.15 | enouf | _2: i'm not sure yet - but also regrep through dpkg.log.* |
| 02:07.23 | _2 | enouf i just "noticed" that dpkg listed linux-* as removed/purged |
| 02:07.24 | enouf | er rgrep |
| 02:07.31 | enouf | wonderful |
| 02:07.33 | kitemmurt1 | does anyone know aGUI for the program espeak? |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | go8ose: try to modprobe -r the module then remodprobe it |
| 02:07.36 | enouf | why did you purge it? |
| 02:07.43 | _2 | i didn't |
| 02:07.46 | _2 | and it is installed |
| 02:07.56 | enouf | _2: uname -r says? |
| 02:07.59 | liable | jpin1: dude, you have to actually put a ssid in your ifaces file for it to work. and remove that wifi0 stanza |
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| 02:08.04 | Wyzard | well, strictly speaking, it isn't installed but its files are there anyway |
| 02:08.18 | _2 | or at least linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is |
| 02:08.19 | enouf | _2: perhaps the -686 wants to replace a -486 version? |
| 02:08.22 | jpin1 | liable: ok - what do I ut in ther? |
| 02:08.28 | liable | jpin1: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 02:08.34 | enouf | Wyzard: it's loaded into RAM for now ;-) |
| 02:08.43 | Wyzard | enouf: he said he rebooted recently |
| 02:08.49 | _2 | enouf i have only installed one kernel version. but dpkg says none is installed |
| 02:08.51 | enouf | cat /proc/kcore .. /me runs |
| 02:08.56 | enouf | Wyzard: oh? |
| 02:08.59 | enouf | hrm... |
| 02:09.03 | Wyzard | enouf: and that the modules directory exists |
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| 02:09.21 | enouf | _2: uname -r says? |
| 02:09.25 | _2 | enouf don't you want me to add > /boot/vmlinuz to that command ??? |
| 02:09.30 | _2 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 02:09.46 | go8ose | liable: kill switch is set to the enable position |
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| 02:09.58 | _2 | enouf but i just booted it |
| 02:10.01 | enouf | _2: reinstall it? i dunno for sure ... ;-) |
| 02:10.05 | liable | go8ose: well, the kernel thinks otherwise, you need to find out why. |
| 02:10.30 | enouf | _2: some aptitude/apt funk marked it as an automatic install and removed the metapackage? |
| 02:10.32 | liable | go8ose: when you cycle the switch, does it say anything in dmesg? |
| 02:10.40 | go8ose | abrotman: i've modprobe cycled it before with no success. Are you asking for that to generate more dmesg? |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | go8ose: modprobe iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1 .. after you modprobe -r |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | and make sure it's unloaded before you reload it |
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| 02:11.27 | mischief6 | does anyone know of a console based utility for monitoring tcp/udp/unix similar to 'tcptrack' that also shows the process the socket is tied to? |
| 02:11.28 | Stanlin1 | im back |
| 02:11.32 | go8ose | abrotman: will do. my typing has slowed due to eating lunch :) |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | eww .. one hander! |
| 02:11.53 | jpin1 | liable: so which example applies? |
| 02:11.53 | liable | disabling hwscan wont help when rfkill is on... |
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| 02:12.15 | liable | jpin1: you need to add a wireless-essid line... |
| 02:12.31 | _2 | enouf probably so. i don't do automatic updates tho |
| 02:12.42 | enouf | i was going to mention something about ESSID much earlier .. but .. |
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| 02:13.28 | jpin1 | liable: I don't see that in the examples file |
| 02:13.42 | jpin1 | sorry - I'm lost here |
| 02:14.03 | enouf | _2: i mean; mostly in the way the pkg manager 'marked' that pkg .. the way aptitude tracks depends when it installs one pkg and pulls in the depends, so when you remove that pkg, all the depends go as well, unless they are being used for something else |
| 02:14.16 | enouf | !unmarkauto |
| 02:14.16 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 02:14.56 | go8ose | abrotman: done, but same result. I've updated my pastebin with some more dmesg output |
| 02:14.58 | enouf | jpin1: install wpasupplicant pkg |
| 02:15.05 | enouf | !wpasupplicant |
| 02:15.05 | dpkg | wpa is, like, Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 02:15.07 | liable | nooo |
| 02:15.11 | enouf | read that jpin1 |
| 02:15.12 | liable | his ap is open |
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| 02:15.24 | jpin1 | enouf: ok |
| 02:15.25 | lockd | libopenal-dev doesn't seem to be available in lenny |
| 02:15.26 | liable | enouf: dont confuse him even more |
| 02:15.29 | _2 | enouf but wouldn't that also actually remove the package and not just the database listing for it ? |
| 02:15.31 | enouf | liable: well - just for knowledge - jpin1 stop |
| 02:15.39 | jpin1 | ok |
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| 02:15.52 | enouf | jpin1: liable says you don't need to - forget that for now - do it much later ;-) |
| 02:15.52 | lockd | hmm, guess I forgot to update after adding a mirror |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | go8ose: doesn't seem to have changed |
| 02:15.59 | jpin1 | I only need to know what to write in interfaces |
| 02:16.00 | cirzgamanti | the proprietary ati driver is messing up my screen, now it says the frequency setting is wrong and won't show anything, even with x/kdm killed. is there a way to reset the hardware settings for the graphics card via the console (via ssh) ? |
| 02:16.01 | enouf | jpin1: he knows about wifi - i don;t ;-) |
| 02:16.19 | enouf | liable: k? |
| 02:16.25 | go8ose | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d303414d2 ? |
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| 02:16.30 | enouf | expects a hug .. or three |
| 02:16.34 | jpin1 | but I have no clue what this example file is all about |
| 02:16.56 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux-* | pastebin |
| 02:16.56 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/f23a69d7a |
| 02:16.58 | go8ose | liable: earlier today I was trying to probe the rf_kill messages by echoing some numbers into /sys/devices/pci....../rf_kill |
| 02:16.59 | liable | jpin1: you're right, theres no wireless specific stuff in that file, sorry. its man interfaces i should have pointed you to |
| 02:17.08 | zhangweiwu | Hi. Anyone help with frustrated ssh problem? I couldn't set up public-key authentication allowing usre 'backup' to login. |
| 02:17.13 | cirzgamanti | or maybe a generic command to put a graphics card to sleep? |
| 02:17.22 | go8ose | liable: but I didn't know what I was doing. Is the output from the kernel going to be useful to you if I do that? |
| 02:17.24 | liable | enouf: :P |
| 02:17.33 | _2 | du -sh /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/ |
| 02:17.33 | _2 | 56M /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/ |
| 02:17.34 | jpin1 | liable: ok reading again |
| 02:17.36 | enouf | iU linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17 Linux |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: What happens when you try? |
| 02:17.46 | liable | go8ose: only if dmesg says its turned rfkill off |
| 02:17.55 | enouf | _2: i told you to not grep for ^.ii |
| 02:17.57 | liable | go8ose: cycle the switch and see what dmesg says |
| 02:18.10 | zhangweiwu | zhangweiwu: sshd said: trying public key file /var/backups/.ssh/authorized_keys and then restore_uid: 0/0 |
| 02:18.12 | _2 | enouf i didn't |
| 02:18.13 | enouf | _2: it's not installed properly |
| 02:18.25 | _2 | look at the command above the url |
| 02:18.37 | zhangweiwu | Wyzard: sshd said: trying public key fil /var/backups/.ssh/authorized_keys and then restore_uid: 0/0, as if authorized_keys doesn't contain my public key, but it is. |
| 02:18.37 | liable | jpin1: add this line under the ath0 stanza wireless-essid "texte por clave-992674665" |
| 02:18.38 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.39 | _2 | grub initramfs.img initramfs.img-2.6.26-1-686 vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 02:18.52 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: When was the key generated? |
| 02:18.58 | zhangweiwu | Wyzard: 3 min ago |
| 02:19.04 | enouf | its saying it's Installed and Unpacked |
| 02:19.10 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: and what OS did you generate it on? |
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| 02:19.24 | _2 | enouf according to dpkg it's not installed at all. |
| 02:19.27 | enouf | or marked as Install - and Unpacked |
| 02:19.30 | _2 | that's the point |
| 02:19.32 | enouf | _2: wrong |
| 02:19.39 | zhangweiwu | zhangweiwu: ssh client: a modified version of debian called "ray"; ssh server: debian |
| 02:19.50 | jpin1 | liable: nothing in man interfaces to contradict what I've got in interfaces |
| 02:19.54 | zhangweiwu | Wyzard: ssh client: a modified version of debian called "ray"; ssh server: debian |
| 02:20.04 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: There was a major bug in Debian's libssl awhile back that caused it to generate weak SSH keys (among other things) |
| 02:20.11 | go8ose | abrotman: I cycled the switch, no difference. dmesg at http://pastebin.com/d3569f873 |
| 02:20.16 | enouf | _2: "apt-get install -f" |
| 02:20.17 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: An up-to-date Debian has a blacklist of weak keys and ignores them |
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| 02:20.34 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: If "ray" is still using the buggy libssl, you might have generated a weak key |
| 02:20.38 | zhangweiwu | Wyzard: if I try to generate the key on the server and move them to the client it should work? |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | go8ose: that was liable that asked |
| 02:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it throws out an error... |
| 02:20.39 | go8ose | the dmesg output I suspect is mostly about the bluetooth chipset being switch on and off |
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| 02:21.02 | _2 | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 02:21.02 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.03 | phix | congratsulation on finally releasing Lenny :D |
| 02:21.03 | enouf | the pkg dpkg shows is the metapackage |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | go8ose: after cycling the switch, you'd probably have to reload the driver though |
| 02:21.05 | liable | jpin1: its only a small paragraph, it says about wireless things should be preceded with wireless- .. now, you need to set the essid, so you need a line that says wireless-essid "youressid" |
| 02:21.08 | zhangweiwu | Wyzard: thanks. try it again now:) |
| 02:21.09 | enouf | bingo |
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| 02:21.10 | phix | about time |
| 02:21.15 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: Log into the server and run "ssh-vulnkey" |
| 02:21.26 | _2 | enouf and it wants to dl it to install it. |
| 02:21.29 | jpin1 | liable: where do I get an ssid? |
| 02:21.32 | liable | go8ose: is it a proper hardware switch or a soft button? |
| 02:21.34 | Wyzard | zhangweiwu: If it tells you your key is weak, that key cannot be used with that server and you should not use it anywhere |
| 02:21.40 | enouf | ok, let it _2 |
| 02:21.46 | liable | jpin1: the name of the ap you are connecting too.. |
| 02:21.46 | _2 | enouf i haven't cleared the package cache |
| 02:21.49 | phix | should I use Debian Lenny or Ubuntu Server 08.10? |
| 02:22.09 | Wyzard | phix: For a server I'd recommend Debian over Ubuntu |
| 02:22.11 | go8ose | liable: on my laptop I've got both. In that dmesg I cycled the hardware switch on the side of the laptop |
| 02:22.18 | _2 | enouf i can't dl it from here. i'll have to do that when i have a real internet connection. |
| 02:22.44 | phix | Wyzard: any non-bias reasons? :) |
| 02:23.04 | Wyzard | phix: longer and more rigorous testing phase |
| 02:23.09 | phix | ah ok |
| 02:23.11 | enouf | _2: the metapackage has a depends - you likely never grabbed the real kernel |
| 02:23.17 | Wyzard | phix: Ubuntu is mostly desktop-focused |
| 02:23.23 | liable | go8ose: hmm, that looks like its just cycling the bluetooth, so you need to play with the software button |
| 02:23.33 | phix | Wyzard: gotcha |
| 02:23.52 | enouf | apt-cache depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:23.56 | _2 | enouf hmmm maybe, but i wonder what kernel i'm running |
| 02:24.06 | enouf | cat /proc/version _2 |
| 02:24.17 | _2 | same as uname -a |
| 02:24.37 | _2 | Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 |
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| 02:24.59 | enouf | that's an older kernel - but ol |
| 02:25.00 | enouf | ok |
| 02:25.03 | lockd | does SDL in lenny include oss support? |
| 02:26.00 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: the wpa is apain , you need to do it manually, it took me 5 days to configure WPA and im senior debian user |
| 02:26.35 | enouf | señor? :-P |
| 02:26.38 | _2 | ah i see 12 -vs- 13 linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13_i386.deb |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | lockd: apt-cache search libsdl oss |
| 02:27.00 | jpin1 | Stanlin1: ouch |
| 02:27.00 | enouf | _2: your dpkg -l mentions +17 |
| 02:27.04 | go8ose | liable: taping the software rf_kill switch doesnt' produce any dmesg output. It does make the LED wifi indicator flick on briefly and then off |
| 02:27.07 | enouf | iU linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17 Linux |
| 02:27.10 | jpin1 | I'm really struggling here |
| 02:27.14 | _2 | enouf that's not what it's dl ing |
| 02:27.21 | enouf | _2: yes it is |
| 02:27.22 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: you need first |
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| 02:27.33 | enouf | _2: don't let the 2.6.26-1 fool you |
| 02:27.41 | cmanns | In ifconfig, whats UNSPEC mean? |
| 02:27.54 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: 1. to install wpa supplicant, check if iflist scannning gets to your app, then bind it |
| 02:27.55 | _2 | enouf i just posted from ls /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13_i386.deb |
| 02:28.10 | liable | go8ose: as i dont know your model of laptop, and its hardware, i cant help. you need to google how to get that rfkill turned off |
| 02:28.13 | _2 | ways it's dl'ing 13 |
| 02:28.24 | jpin1 | Stanlin1: I can do the install, but the rest was lost on me |
| 02:28.24 | _2 | says |
| 02:28.25 | enouf | _2: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 will be the most recent version (which appears to be +17) unless you've done something really stupid |
| 02:28.37 | liable | jpin1: i gave you the line you need to add.. whats so hard about it? |
| 02:28.40 | enouf | like not running update prior |
| 02:28.43 | _2 | and the most recent is linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13_i386.deb ? |
| 02:28.48 | go8ose | liable: thanks for trying, I'll google about rfkill and my laptop (an Asus U1f) |
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| 02:29.08 | jpin1 | scrolls back to see liable line |
| 02:29.17 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: my best suggestion is open your AP for full access |
| 02:29.25 | liable | it is |
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| 02:29.30 | lockd | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:29.48 | enouf | _2: listen man, i gotta go - seems to me like you are trying to cause yourself more issues than you need to - but ok - i do hope you work it all out |
| 02:29.49 | Raylz | arent there any release critical bugs left? |
| 02:29.50 | jpin1 | Stanlin1: it is open |
| 02:29.55 | liable | jpin1: wireless-essid "texte por clave-992674665" |
| 02:30.05 | jpin1 | i guessed that would make life easier |
| 02:30.06 | liable | put that line in your interfaces file |
| 02:30.07 | stew | Raylz: there are always release critical bugs to be fied |
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| 02:30.14 | abrotman | filed! |
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| 02:30.21 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: then you ont need wpa or wep |
| 02:30.24 | liable | fried? |
| 02:30.30 | _2 | enouf i think i have "most" of it worked out. thanks for the time of day and thoughts |
| 02:30.32 | stew | there are always release critical bugs filed |
| 02:30.33 | Stanlin1 | jpin1: just type iwlist ath0 scanning |
| 02:30.45 | abrotman | not fixed, just filed :) |
| 02:30.47 | Raylz | stew: so, they just ignored em? |
| 02:30.48 | jpin1 | liable: ok - I add that where? |
| 02:30.49 | stoned | lol |
| 02:30.56 | jpin1 | sheesh this is confusing |
| 02:31.03 | stoned | abrotman, you stole the words from my mouth |
| 02:31.13 | Wyzard | Raylz: Some RC bugs have been deferred to 5.0.1 |
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| 02:31.24 | liable | jpin1: under the other ath0 lines |
| 02:31.35 | stew | Raylz: 'ignored' is a strong word. but every release is released with SOME small number of RC bugs, which is why we have the 'lenny-ignore' and 'etch-ignore' and 'sarge-ignore' tags in the bts |
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| 02:31.39 | liable | jpin1: and remove that wifi0 stanza, and paste the file again |
| 02:32.09 | liable | jpin1: why dont you use one of the graphical connection managers? |
| 02:32.11 | stew | and what Wyzard said |
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| 02:32.22 | Raylz | stew: are you warned when you install such a package? |
| 02:32.50 | Raylz | +being |
| 02:33.05 | Wyzard | Raylz: not by default, but take a look at the apt-listbugs program |
| 02:33.25 | enouf | _2: welcome - last thought ~$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 see Status line (if there - also use apt-cache policy ...) Note; i'm on sid here and latest version seems to be -13 .. no idea where the +17 came from, nor which release you use, nor which mixing you've done |
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| 02:33.57 | Raylz | awesome :) |
| 02:34.07 | Raylz | btw the release is killer :) |
| 02:34.18 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 looks like all releases are the same -13 |
| 02:34.39 | Wyzard | Raylz: I think that's aimed mostly at sid users, though, so it there's a possibiilty that it doesn't check whether the bugs it finds actually pertain to stable when you run it in stable -- I don't use it so I don't know |
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| 02:34.58 | jpin1 | liable: what gui connection managers? |
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| 02:35.13 | enouf | aha! _2 http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 02:35.28 | enouf | the metapackage names/versions have that +17 |
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| 02:35.31 | Raylz | Wyzard: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/apt-listbugs.html here it says you can use it the way you like it |
| 02:35.36 | dee25 | when i try to install adobe flash player |
| 02:35.46 | _2 | enouf while you were typing that, i was doing a dpkg --configure -a and all the issues seem to be cleared up with dpkg now. |
| 02:35.48 | dee25 | apt-get install flashplugin gives me |
| 02:35.55 | liable | jpin1: theres a few of them, some seem to work better on some chips than others. the usuall is network-manager . what desktop do you use? |
| 02:35.57 | dee25 | bunch of dependices |
| 02:36.04 | Raylz | dee25: i had problems too and ended up with the manual installation |
| 02:36.15 | dee25 | the following packages have unmet dependencies |
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| 02:36.30 | jpin1 | liable: lxde |
| 02:36.45 | anom01y | why would it be worth updating my os to debian ? |
| 02:36.46 | dee25 | how u get to install it |
| 02:36.46 | dee25 | ? |
| 02:37.01 | muddd | you would then be cool |
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| 02:37.35 | liable | jpin1: lxde has its own manager, its not very good for wpa secured networks in my experience, but you could try it |
| 02:37.35 | nightglider28 | anom01y: What do you use, now? |
| 02:37.47 | _2 | heh except i'm using a kernel that isn't installed oh well.... |
| 02:38.00 | Raylz | dee25: http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/ |
| 02:38.06 | liable | jpin1: you can use network-manager with lxde, but i couldnt work out how to get it in the systray |
| 02:38.10 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/d23959d25 |
| 02:38.15 | jpin1 | liable: ^^ |
| 02:38.39 | Raylz | dee25: i didnt have unmet deps but it didnt worked |
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| 02:38.49 | liable | jpin1: jpin1 ok, ifdown ath0; ifup ath0 |
| 02:38.53 | Raylz | so i chose manual installation |
| 02:38.59 | dee25 | ooo |
| 02:39.00 | dee25 | i seee |
| 02:39.00 | Wyzard | Raylz: All that says about stable is that you probably don't need apt-listbugs |
| 02:39.21 | Raylz | Wyzard: jep |
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| 02:39.34 | Wyzard | Raylz: not that apt-listbugs works correctly in stable |
| 02:39.36 | [^OsAmA^] | hehehe ya mine |
| 02:39.37 | dee25 | lt says i already have the newsest verison |
| 02:39.42 | dee25 | of the plugin |
| 02:39.54 | [^OsAmA^] | brb |
| 02:40.07 | jpin1 | liable: ifdown and ifup ath0 got to dhcpdiscover again |
| 02:40.32 | liable | jpin1: and it timed out without getting an address? |
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| 02:40.51 | jpin1 | liable: yes |
| 02:41.10 | liable | jpin1: ok, paste your iwconfig output again |
| 02:41.15 | jpin1 | liable: trying lxde's network settings |
| 02:41.30 | Raylz | btw: why is it so hard to install proprietary stuff in debian? |
| 02:41.31 | liable | jpin1: ok, it might work for you |
| 02:41.46 | Raylz | nvidia-glx didnt configure itself automatically |
| 02:41.52 | rena_notebook | hi, perhaps anyone can help me... i'm trying to suspend my new laptop, but wen i'm trying to awake it, the display never start |
| 02:41.58 | Raylz | i had to run X -configure && nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:41.58 | Wyzard | Raylz: nvidia-glx works fine for me |
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| 02:42.32 | Raylz | same for flash plugin: it was deselected in iceweasel |
| 02:42.44 | Raylz | Wyzard: it works fine, but its harder to install |
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| 02:42.49 | Raylz | than on buntu for instance |
| 02:43.04 | Wyzard | Raylz: xorg configuration is pretty simple nowadays, actually... I doubt you really need nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:43.19 | _2 | ok i added linux-image-686 to the list of packages that i have schedualed to install when i have an internet connection. |
| 02:43.30 | Raylz | Wyzard: the standard xorg.conf didnt have a graphic identifier line |
| 02:43.33 | Wyzard | Raylz: This is my *entire* xorg.conf file: http://paste.debian.net/28523/ |
| 02:43.36 | Raylz | it was empty |
| 02:43.45 | Raylz | so nvidia-xconfig refused to work |
| 02:43.53 | Wyzard | Raylz: xorg autodetects everything now... my laptop doesn't have an xorg.conf at all |
| 02:43.54 | muddd | Wyzard, really? thats it? |
| 02:44.13 | muddd | sweet |
| 02:44.14 | Wyzard | Raylz: and the only reason I need an xorg.conf on my desktop is to tell it to use the "nvidia" driver rather than the "nv" one |
| 02:44.16 | Raylz | Wyzard: well, dunno why it didnt work for me |
| 02:44.25 | Wyzard | (and to enable the RandRRotation option, but that's not essential) |
| 02:44.56 | _2 | Wyzard mine either. but i'm gonig to try the fglrx-driver to see if it will work before i give up |
| 02:45.09 | Raylz | its not that i dont like challenges :) |
| 02:45.31 | Raylz | i installed it for my brother |
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| 02:45.46 | Wyzard | _2: I'd suggest trying a minimal xorg.conf like the one I linked a minute ago (of course with "fglrx" instead of "nvidia") |
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| 02:46.16 | EMH_Mark3 | _2: seems that did the trick -- thanks |
| 02:46.33 | _2 | Wyzard X -configure built me an xorg.conf file seems like it "should" work when i get the driver |
| 02:46.40 | _2 | EMH_Mark3 welcome |
| 02:47.44 | Raylz | hm, anyway, i dont guess a normal beginner would choose debian anyway :) |
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| 02:48.45 | _2 | Raylz i'm starting to think i shouldn't have |
| 02:48.59 | _2 | but i'm not normal anyway |
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| 02:49.06 | Raylz | _2: haha :) |
| 02:49.42 | Raylz | _2: debian is a rly nice distribution but you need more knowledge on linux than on buntu for instance |
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| 02:50.13 | jpin1 | liable: still no good and I'm getting wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
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| 02:50.36 | liable | jpin1: thats ok, you can ignore that message |
| 02:50.39 | _2 | Raylz heh "just works" (R) ubuntu doesn't work for me. |
| 02:50.59 | Raylz | _2: hm, where do you have problems? |
| 02:51.00 | jpin1 | liable: ok but still no dhcpoffers received |
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| 02:51.30 | _2 | Raylz sound and vidio nothing important really :))) |
| 02:51.32 | liable | jpin1: ok, does iwconfig show the iface as associated now? |
| 02:51.50 | Raylz | _2: what do you need more than a terminal :) |
| 02:52.14 | Raylz | _2: which version did you try? |
| 02:52.27 | jpin1 | liable: ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID texte por clave...etc |
| 02:52.35 | Raylz | 8.10 is a bit bugged |
| 02:52.41 | liable | jpin1: does it give a signal strength? |
| 02:52.44 | _2 | Raylz 5.4 & 6.6 havent tried 8.4 yet |
| 02:53.06 | jpin1 | signal level =-96dBm |
| 02:53.08 | Raylz | _2: those are ancient :), you should try 8.04 |
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| 02:53.28 | liable | jpin1: the link quality one |
| 02:53.30 | jpin1 | noise level =- 96dBm |
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| 02:53.39 | Raylz | problem with ubuntu is that i breaks if you want to do more |
| 02:53.43 | jpin1 | link quality =0/70 |
| 02:53.47 | Raylz | and it got horrible kde packages |
| 02:53.51 | liable | right |
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| 02:54.31 | Panchito | using Debian 5.0 and noticed really slow read writes on my DVD/CD R-W and would like an easy way to enable dma on it cause k3b says its off..... |
| 02:54.51 | ameyer | comments that this isn't #ubuntu |
| 02:55.03 | jpin1 | what do I look for now liable |
| 02:55.22 | liable | jpin1: iwconfig ath0 essid "texte por clave-992674665" ap 00:1B:9E:F7:FC:13 .. run that command and see if it gives you a signal quality |
| 02:55.23 | goauld | Panchito: install new kernel |
| 02:55.27 | _2 | ameyer they tell me the same thing about debian in #ubuntu what is with you guys ;/ |
| 02:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, hdparm -d1 /dev/... |
| 02:56.05 | Raylz | _2: they hate each other :D |
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| 02:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really... dma is switched on during boot on debian, there should be no need |
| 02:56.28 | Raylz | no, id say your fine off with debian if your proprietary stuff works _2 |
| 02:56.44 | Panchito | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried that and did not work, I have hdparm installed and this computer is fairly new..quad core. |
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| 02:57.07 | goauld | Panchito: install new kernel |
| 02:57.24 | Panchito | goauld: using pure Debian not ubuntu. |
| 02:57.25 | _2 | Raylz yeah i'm going to give it a fair chance, but i have to wait until i'm where i can dl it. no internet connection here. only dialup |
| 02:57.44 | goauld | then compile it |
| 02:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, well, so what does hdparm tell you when you try to do it |
| 02:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | goauld, don't give lame advice |
| 02:58.13 | Raylz | _2: your ethernet doesnt work? |
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| 02:58.21 | goauld | its not lame advice |
| 02:58.42 | goauld | im a vetern and already know what error message he is getting |
| 02:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it pretty much is with the amount of information |
| 02:58.49 | goauld | coz i figure out things |
| 02:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 02:58.58 | jpin1 | liable: that gives me error for wireless request set essid (8B1A) SET failed on device ath0;no such device |
| 02:58.59 | _2 | Raylz yeah. i have several boxen on dmz lan |
| 02:59.01 | goauld | hdparm complaining about svsi staff |
| 02:59.13 | goauld | scsi stuff |
| 02:59.23 | liable | jpin1: ifconfig ath0 up |
| 02:59.30 | goauld | so, reinstalling with proper selection of drivers should fix it panchito |
| 02:59.32 | liable | jpin1: then run that command again |
| 02:59.32 | Panchito | CutMeOwnThroat: it says that dma is on, but when I run k3b it tells me that its off. |
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| 02:59.35 | goauld | the kernel i mean |
| 02:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if your figuring out amounts to compiling your own kernel I don't feel it's worth much |
| 02:59.57 | _2 | Raylz but no link to the world. location doesn't support other than satalite link and i can't afford that. |
| 03:00.02 | jpin1 | liable: same result |
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| 03:00.17 | Raylz | _2: :/ where do you live? |
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| 03:00.38 | liable | jpin1: does ath0 show in 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 03:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, hm, that's weird - does it say it's on after you ran k3b? |
| 03:01.08 | _2 | Raylz you know where "the middle of nowhere" is ? well i'm about two days by camel beyond that. |
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| 03:01.20 | jpin1 | liable: yes - it's mentioned twice |
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| 03:01.26 | Raylz | _2: haha |
| 03:01.31 | jpin1 | hang on and I'll paste it |
| 03:01.43 | liable | jpin1: does it show in ifconfig without using -a ? |
| 03:02.02 | liable | jpin1: paste the command you are using and the error too |
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| 03:02.18 | jpin1 | ok hang on |
| 03:02.44 | goauld | panchito is recompiling his broken kernel |
| 03:02.46 | enouf | Panchito: is that a PATA or SATA cd/dvd? |
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| 03:02.58 | DrkCodeman | is it possible to create a shell script to check for a port to see if it is open? and if it isnt to run a command to start he service? |
| 03:03.12 | DrkCodeman | screen is still running but the server port itself forks |
| 03:03.18 | leftStanding | hi all, i'm hosting a linux installfest in a week and i just got word that a blind person is interested in attending. are there any blind distros/howTos out there? |
| 03:03.20 | enouf | Panchito: pastebin output of wodim -prcap /dev/dvd |
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| 03:03.26 | Panchito | CutMeOwnThroat: very weird, and when I uninstall hdparm it says ok but the read speed are too slow, it took 53 minutes to read write a 4.1 gb dvd |
| 03:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, perhaps it's just a hardware-problem with the cdrom... |
| 03:03.43 | enouf | your media sucks Panchito |
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| 03:04.11 | goauld | no, panchito's kernel suck |
| 03:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, mmm did you look in /var/log/messages? There might be loads of "device was reset" and "seek error" messages there... |
| 03:04.14 | _2 | clean the lazor linse |
| 03:04.33 | Panchito | goauld: what kernel do you recommend? |
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| 03:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | goauld, you didn't even fucking ask what kernel he runs |
| 03:04.53 | enouf | he likely has the wrong modules loaded ... |
| 03:04.54 | goauld | i recommend Linux atlantis 2.6.28.5.atlantis.v81 #1 SMP |
| 03:05.04 | goauld | get it from www.kernel.org |
| 03:05.08 | liable | jpin1: while your at it, please paste your lsmod output too |
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| 03:05.19 | enouf | if anything, or his BIOS settings are incorrect, or ... |
| 03:05.28 | Panchito | running kernel: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 03:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the dvd drive is broken |
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| 03:05.46 | Tempus_Fugit | hello all |
| 03:05.51 | cupantae | hello |
| 03:05.52 | goauld | ur computer is too new to run such an old kernel from 8 months ago |
| 03:05.53 | Panchito | it not broken....... |
| 03:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually saw something (maybe) very similar - even made my system hang... |
| 03:06.01 | muddd | my dvd drive had dust in it, screwed stuff up occasionally |
| 03:06.06 | Tempus_Fugit | hey does anyone have the google phone running android |
| 03:06.14 | Panchito | too new for dust......... |
| 03:06.25 | jpin1 | http://pastebin.com/d3c95c2cb |
| 03:06.31 | jpin1 | liable^^ |
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| 03:06.42 | abrotman | Tempus_Fugit: there is #android |
| 03:06.42 | cupantae | i just started using lenny there and my cpu is constant 100%. anyone got this problem? |
| 03:06.46 | bros | How are the network interfaces brought up during Debian bootup? |
| 03:07.02 | enouf | magic |
| 03:07.04 | Tempus_Fugit | ok cool will go check it out |
| 03:07.16 | bahadunn | bros: sysv init scripts |
| 03:07.26 | cupantae | bros: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:07.56 | enouf | cupantae: what process is at 100%? use top/htop |
| 03:08.01 | bros | bahadunn: I know that much. I looked through every run level and I could not find the script. |
| 03:08.09 | bros | cupante: Thank you. Is this done before rc.local is processed or after? |
| 03:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, did you look in /var/log/messages ? Somethine like tail -f /var/log/messages (keeps watching the file until you press ctrl-c) while burning with K3b would do it |
| 03:08.30 | liable | jpin1: and the iwconfig command and error? and your 'lsmod' output |
| 03:08.34 | enouf | rc.local is usually set to S99 in runlevel 2 |
| 03:08.37 | bahadunn | bros: cupantae pointed you to where the network interfaces are configured not how they are brought up during boot |
| 03:08.51 | cupantae | enouf: :-X never thought of that. ok just a few runaway gnome yokes. i'll deal with it |
| 03:08.54 | enouf | so prior to rc.local |
| 03:08.55 | bahadunn | bros: /etc/init.d/networking is likely what you are looking for |
| 03:09.02 | bros | bahadunn: Thank you very much! |
| 03:09.04 | jpin1 | liable: ok |
| 03:09.10 | enouf | you likely want preup commands in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:09.20 | enouf | but you haven't presented an issue yet |
| 03:09.20 | cupantae | bahadunn: sorry, i thought that's what the question was |
| 03:09.22 | bros | enouf: Like wpa_supplicant? |
| 03:09.37 | enouf | bros: yes |
| 03:10.18 | goauld | i noticed an important speed improvement after installing this new kernel |
| 03:10.24 | enouf | bros: there's also all the /etc/network/if-{pre,post}* dirs |
| 03:10.29 | goauld | my computer runs a lot faster now, even browsing internet |
| 03:10.39 | enouf | !wpasupplicant |
| 03:10.40 | dpkg | i guess wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 03:10.49 | goauld | !wicd |
| 03:11.04 | _2 | enouf would you care to "help" me install grub on that partitionless lappy ? i have been on that page you posted about it and i'm not gaining a thing. |
| 03:11.16 | _2 | i'm in the grub prompt now |
| 03:11.31 | enouf | _2: not interested |
| 03:11.35 | bahadunn | goauld: wow |
| 03:11.44 | _2 | figured. |
| 03:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, if you get loads and loads of resets and seek errors and whatnot... well, afaik there's not a lot you can do except exchange the drive... you could try with a newer kernel, but I seriously doubt it'll help - and I very much think it'll break other things for you - maybe it's just a loose connection or so... un-/replugging the things on the drive might help in that case (or trying a different cable) |
| 03:12.10 | goauld | install wicd and forget forever about scripts, dns, ips, masks, gates, stupid stuff who stops working in the very moment you see a different wireless |
| 03:12.26 | Raylz | _2: hm, where do you ahve problems? |
| 03:13.10 | Panchito | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I will try that..... |
| 03:13.15 | _2 | Raylz installing grub version 1.x grub2 works fine, but i have never been able to install grub on a partitionless system. |
| 03:13.19 | jpin1 | liable: http://pastebin.com/d3107edd9 |
| 03:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Panchito, look at the logs first, though! They often tell something useful :) |
| 03:13.46 | _2 | Raylz and i've only been trying (off and on) for about 3 years now. |
| 03:13.56 | liable | jpin1: ath0 not atho |
| 03:13.57 | goauld | panchito, do u know what kind of stuff comes with 2.6.28.5 kernel ? |
| 03:14.05 | Raylz | _2: i dont think this is possible anyway |
| 03:14.06 | goauld | it got WUSB and lot of new shit |
| 03:14.13 | goauld | u gota try it |
| 03:14.27 | Raylz | you need a least 1 partition where you have to place the grub config |
| 03:14.28 | goauld | its the latest very upgrade u need it |
| 03:14.30 | _2 | Raylz careful dont say that. you will make people mad |
| 03:14.42 | _2 | Raylz i know. |
| 03:14.52 | bros | Are the dbus and hal daemons required for wpa_supplicant to run? |
| 03:15.03 | Panchito | goauld: no, I do not know.. |
| 03:15.06 | _2 | Raylz and the stage1. files |
| 03:15.15 | goauld | a core 2 quad deserves the last software available, its imperative |
| 03:15.15 | Raylz | yep |
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| 03:15.28 | enouf | all you need is a /boot dir somewhere |
| 03:15.31 | goauld | even if it doesnt help with ur cdrom |
| 03:15.37 | goauld | u gota have that kernel |
| 03:15.42 | Raylz | _2: so where to put those without a partition? |
| 03:15.42 | _2 | enouf my /boot is on /dev/sda |
| 03:15.42 | goauld | its the new shit |
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| 03:15.45 | goauld | lol |
| 03:15.58 | enouf | you place your stage files there and tell install where they arew |
| 03:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate goauld |
| 03:15.58 | dpkg | goauld: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 03:16.05 | Raylz | _2: super grub disk? |
| 03:16.07 | liable | jpin1: you used the letter o, not the number 0 ;) |
| 03:16.13 | goauld | lol !!!! |
| 03:16.15 | jpin1 | ok |
| 03:16.19 | jpin1 | I'm an ass |
| 03:16.26 | jpin1 | but no change |
| 03:16.32 | _2 | enouf you can't tell install where they are, it only returns Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition |
| 03:16.49 | liable | jpin1: still no signal quality? |
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| 03:16.55 | enouf | you have to mount the disk prior |
| 03:17.04 | _2 | Raylz nah, grub2 i used lilo until they fixed up grub2 |
| 03:17.10 | enouf | and tell it --root-directory= |
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| 03:17.18 | _2 | enouf it's mounted on / |
| 03:17.18 | liable | jpin1: err, link quality i meant |
| 03:17.34 | _2 | or do you mean grub has to mount it ? |
| 03:17.37 | goauld | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i give up, u can keep panchito for yourself... help him u alone |
| 03:17.39 | _2 | enouf ^ |
| 03:17.41 | jpin1 | liable: got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:17.54 | goauld | CutMeOwnThroat: im going to sleep |
| 03:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | already did... |
| 03:18.05 | Raylz | _2: and grub2 works fine? its hardmasked here |
| 03:18.07 | _2 | enouf this is not fair. you already said you didn't want to mess with it. so it's ok. i'll leave you alone. |
| 03:18.08 | liable | i was hoping that was the working jpin1 that just joined :) |
| 03:18.16 | jpin1 | liable: does this mean I have to identify every AP I use? |
| 03:18.20 | enouf | _2: i'm going to do it myself here on my own HDDs .. but not now - will get back to you .. and will admit if i am incorrect about all this |
| 03:18.48 | jpinx | welcomes himself back |
| 03:19.02 | _2 | enouf only one thing i want to stress, i have only one hdd in this lappy and it has no partition |
| 03:19.11 | enouf | _2: BTW - is there any reason you can't live without the 1st 63 sectors being available? |
| 03:19.13 | liable | jpin1: not neccessarily, you dont usually need to give the ap xx:xx:xx:xx line to associate. but madwifi can be a pain sometimes, and adding that command can often make it associate |
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| 03:19.38 | jpinx | liable: 1,000 thanks for your perseverance with me |
| 03:19.39 | goauld | the blame is all for debian, they dont release kernels as fast as they should, the fact is, debian are full of turtels |
| 03:19.57 | liable | jpinx: no problem, congrats to you for not giving up in despair :) |
| 03:20.06 | _2 | enouf no. but i have a lot of data with no place to put it in the interum so making partition/s would be a very big hassel lots of cd's to burn. |
| 03:20.19 | jpinx | liable: it certainly was a struggle |
| 03:20.44 | jpinx | now to remember exactly the sequence to get it to work...... |
| 03:20.59 | _2 | enouf and i don't really want a partition, i have no quams with using grub2 or even lilo to boot the thing. |
| 03:21.15 | _2 | both work nicely |
| 03:21.16 | liable | jpinx: you can add that line to your interfaces file and it should help 'wireless-ap 00:1B:9E:F7:FC:13' |
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| 03:21.31 | jpinx | risks all and tries to hot-swap the PCMCIA card |
| 03:21.48 | jpinx | liable: yea - but what happens to me when I am using another AP |
| 03:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, that's not all... try with the ata-hd as well |
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| 03:22.06 | _2 | jpinx pcmcia-tools installed? use them. |
| 03:22.44 | _2 | sorry pcmciautils |
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| 03:23.04 | enouf | _2: and do the HDDs contain a valid MBR? with a BPB? show me the hexdump -C -n 512 /dev/sda .. ugh (the output sucks here), i use # xxd -l 512 /dev/name |
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| 03:23.16 | liable | jpinx: then you will have to do it manually. i suggest you get familiar with 'man iwconfig' and if you want to associate with a wpa secured ap, unless you want to learn wpasupplicant conf file syntax, i would try and get network-manager or one of the other graphical managers working |
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| 03:23.53 | jpinx | liable: I'm reading up gui solutions |
| 03:23.56 | _2 | hexdump -C -n 512 /dev/sda | pastebin |
| 03:23.56 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/ffbdd23f |
| 03:24.05 | enouf | _2: there's no reason to not have one big partition, FS tools can't see/use the 1st 63 sectors anyway |
| 03:24.08 | liable | jpinx: turn off the lxde manager, its pretty crap, and try and get network-manager working. wicd is another, and also wifi-radar |
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| 03:24.26 | jpinx | I see wicd gets good reports |
| 03:24.55 | goauld | yea just what i said 20 minutes ago |
| 03:25.02 | goauld | wicd is the shit |
| 03:25.06 | goauld | lol |
| 03:25.23 | infomomo | is jigdo the fastest way to download the Debian 5 DVD ??? |
| 03:25.29 | infomomo | i am in Canada |
| 03:25.38 | goauld | the fastest is ftp, and im sorry |
| 03:26.05 | Gruelius | Hey all, im upgrading from etch 4.0, is it worth me going amd64 or should i stay i686. The computer is a amd x2 powered fileserver using md raid array, with 4gb of ram |
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| 03:26.16 | infomomo | ftp? i cannot seem to find a mirror that supplies DVD iso images |
| 03:26.21 | infomomo | in canada |
| 03:26.21 | Gruelius | im not fussed about not seeing the 4gb of ram, if there are any issues i might get from running amd64 i wont bother |
| 03:26.30 | goauld | get it from another country |
| 03:26.40 | infomomo | usa is closest |
| 03:26.43 | jpin1 | Hmmm -- seems to have died |
| 03:26.45 | infomomo | will check thanks man |
| 03:26.45 | goauld | who cares, get it from europe |
| 03:26.48 | infomomo | LOL :D |
| 03:26.52 | _2 | enouf and why can't they ? if i install grub (i have a box with many hd's and hda is partitionless formated to ext3) it hoses the first superblock of the ext3 fs *grub writes more than 512b to mbr ?* but if i install lilo there the superblock is ok and i don't have to mount with a backup superblock |
| 03:26.54 | infomomo | i want it at at least 5MB/s |
| 03:26.59 | purple | hello, does the lenny netinst has the installation system through windows? |
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| 03:27.08 | abrotman | Gruelius: depends what else the system will do .. and the i386 does have a -amd64 kernel that would get you all 4GB |
| 03:27.15 | infomomo | anyways am getting it through jigdo now :D at 6 mb/s |
| 03:27.21 | infomomo | :D |
| 03:27.22 | enouf | yes .. |
| 03:27.24 | goauld | do you really think eurepo mirrors will be slower just because of 800 miles or so ? |
| 03:27.33 | Vasistha | purple: I don't understand your question |
| 03:28.00 | purple | Vasistha, can i install lenny netinst in from windows with wubi like app? |
| 03:28.10 | enouf | note; with LiLo your boot sector is tied to one specific physical sector - but ok - i'm not here to trash one over the other |
| 03:28.13 | Vasistha | purple: the netinst is a bootable CD. You write the CD, and then you put it in your CD drive, reboot the computer and let it boot from the cd, and then it installs lenny |
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| 03:28.23 | Gruelius | abrotman: just runs a few light weight programs and serves files. I just remembered that going to vista x64 can give you some problems so i was wondering if im setting myself up for soem problems |
| 03:28.33 | Vasistha | purple: if you want something that will run from windows, check out goodbyewindows.com |
| 03:28.38 | purple | Vasistha, no i need to install it through windows |
| 03:28.51 | purple | Vasistha, but i want to have it on cd |
| 03:28.52 | _2 | enouf yeah i know how lilo works. and agree that it is weak in that reguard. |
| 03:29.02 | abrotman | Gruelius: if it's a fileserver, i doubt you'll see any real performance gain .. |
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| 03:29.22 | Vasistha | purple: what do you want the cd for? |
| 03:29.24 | _2 | enouf heh but in my case, that weakness is it's striength too so ;/ |
| 03:29.28 | enouf | _2: i will perform what i mentioned - and find you - and let you know how i did ... just, it'll be some days yet |
| 03:29.39 | enouf | _2: point taken |
| 03:29.40 | purple | Vasistha, just to have it for something in future |
| 03:29.44 | Gruelius | abrotman: thanks. |
| 03:29.49 | Jpdota | What's the max suggested width for an email to l.d.o lists? |
| 03:29.49 | _2 | enouf cheers. |
| 03:29.51 | Vasistha | purple: why? |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | Gruelius: but also, if it's just a fileserver, doubt the 64bit stuff would really be an issue |
| 03:30.10 | abrotman | Jpdota: 4 |
| 03:30.15 | purple | Vasistha, does lenny have wubi or what? |
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| 03:30.19 | Jpdota | abrotman: :P |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | hell |
| 03:30.24 | Gruelius | yeah i was hoping the mdadm module would get a boost from being on amd64 |
| 03:30.28 | abrotman | o, ho |
| 03:30.37 | abrotman | whoops .. fail |
| 03:30.39 | Vasistha | purple: do you want a rescue cd? do you think you're going to install software from the cd? do you want to install it on a friend's machine? I don't know what wubi is |
| 03:30.58 | purple | Vasistha, google it |
| 03:30.59 | pickcoder | wubi is an .exe installer |
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| 03:31.08 | pickcoder | purple: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 03:31.11 | enouf | purple: IINM, the thing we have is http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:31.24 | nsadmin | what does wubi do about storage? |
| 03:31.31 | Jpdota | abrotman: abrotman do you have a serious answer? :P |
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| 03:31.40 | srid | is anyone using thinkpad advanced mini dock in linux? does everything work? for me display and usb do not work. |
| 03:31.41 | enouf | fuzzy wubi wuz a bear? |
| 03:31.42 | Vasistha | purple: Wubi method, a Chinese character input method :-) |
| 03:31.48 | abrotman | Jpdota: not sure it matters .. and sane MUA should wrap it ... |
| 03:32.18 | pickcoder | Jpdota: the standard is 79/80 chars |
| 03:32.22 | Jpdota | abrotman: Oh ok, i'm using mutt so i should be good :) |
| 03:32.31 | purple | Vasistha, in lenny its called win32-loader |
| 03:32.39 | pickcoder | terminals have 80-char width screen limit in non-extended mode |
| 03:32.46 | purple | i just need to know is it on netinst cd as well |
| 03:32.57 | pickcoder | I normally wrap @ 79 to avoid line-wrapping after prefix with > or whatnot |
| 03:33.13 | nsadmin | lots of people have 80 char width in their term emu |
| 03:33.26 | nsadmin | so 78 or so is a good max |
| 03:33.37 | Jpdota | pickcoder: thanks :) |
| 03:33.53 | _2 | oh yes one more thing i want to change. my console is 80x30 in a short screen display i would like it to be more like 100x30 or even 100x25 if anyone knows any vga= that the kernel can use for those rez ??? |
| 03:34.20 | _2 | or even 120x30 |
| 03:34.25 | enouf | _2: vga=ask should show you options of hex you can then use |
| 03:34.26 | Vasistha | purple: I don't know but I doubt it |
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| 03:34.49 | _2 | enouf does that list all supported rez ? |
| 03:34.53 | enouf | _2: i forget which tool will also output that info |
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| 03:35.23 | enouf | _2: i believe so, however, not considering VESA fb modes |
| 03:35.42 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 03:35.43 | dpkg | methinks fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 03:35.44 | _2 | enouf cause there is nothing in vga=ask that is in that range. seems it's easy to go higher lines but impossable to go more columns |
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| 03:36.15 | enouf | oh, you want a non-standard WxH |
| 03:36.33 | enouf | maybe you can with uvesafb? or some other thing |
| 03:36.59 | _2 | 100x30 prefered [100-130]x[24-32] accepted |
| 03:37.15 | pickcoder | I imagine there's an extended column device type |
| 03:37.17 | _2 | k ill give a look at that. |
| 03:37.35 | pickcoder | 132x25 is pretty typical for a dumb terminal |
| 03:37.47 | _2 | pickcoder that would be great. |
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| 03:38.06 | _2 | pickcoder can i get that from a kernel vga= line ? |
| 03:38.25 | pickcoder | your terminal device params should determine that |
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| 03:38.31 | pickcoder | googles |
| 03:38.47 | _2 | reboots to see vga=ask again. |
| 03:39.17 | enouf | does read-edid / get-edid help here? |
| 03:39.34 | mordain | if i wanted to run virtual machines under debian what would be the best package to install ? |
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| 03:40.01 | Jpdota | mordain: what kind of virtual machines? |
| 03:40.02 | abrotman | mordain: that depends on the vm software you want to use |
| 03:40.36 | Jpdota | mordain: for example, for testing out new distros and testing software on a certain distro, i like virtualbox, it's simple, but if you are looking to run a server, look elsewhere |
| 03:40.51 | mordain | well i want something free, and functionaly equivelent to vmware or virtualpc |
| 03:40.57 | enouf | heh - # get-edid | parse-edid |
| 03:40.59 | jpin1 | liable - it died |
| 03:41.35 | jpin1 | liable: I left the wifi card in the laptop and rebooted and it didn't come up |
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| 03:41.39 | _2 | the only vga modes that are listed with vga=ask are all 80x[25-60] |
| 03:42.42 | enouf | _2: you might need to use one of the framebuffers and use a video= line .. see /Documentation/fb/* |
| 03:43.11 | _2 | k |
| 03:43.12 | liable | jpin1: did you add the wireless-ap line to interfaces? |
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| 03:44.00 | enouf | i think the table printed at the very bottom of "glxinfo" output can be useful, i just don't know how to interpret it ;-) |
| 03:44.38 | jpin1 | liable: yes - that didn't work so I have commented it out but still not working |
| 03:44.58 | jpin1 | liable: no signal again |
| 03:45.04 | liable | jpin1: oh well, try the iwconfig command again |
| 03:45.08 | enouf | _2: i happen to use a standard vga=791 which gives me 1024x768x16bits using vesafb |
| 03:45.40 | jpin1 | liable: sorry lost that command |
| 03:45.48 | jpin1 | what was it again? |
| 03:45.49 | enouf | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html some tables/info |
| 03:45.51 | pickcoder | hm stty won't let me change the cols |
| 03:45.52 | liable | jpin1: its in your bash_history |
| 03:46.08 | liable | jpin1: just hit the up arrow to scroll through your bash history |
| 03:46.12 | enouf | yeah - Vesa modes |
| 03:46.31 | jpin1 | liable: I had multiple windows open and bash history doesn't show them all |
| 03:46.52 | jpin1 | liable: wait |
| 03:46.54 | liable | jpin1: iwconfig ath0 essid "texte por clave-992674665" ap 00:1B:9E:F7:FC:13 |
| 03:46.54 | enouf | heh _2 they even have a LiLo config example for ya :-P |
| 03:47.04 | jpin1 | ha - you beat me to it |
| 03:47.51 | enouf | liable: we have rf finally?! \o/ |
| 03:48.08 | liable | enouf: whats rf? |
| 03:48.21 | enouf | liable: wifi == rf to me :-) |
| 03:48.32 | enouf | radio frequency |
| 03:48.36 | liable | enouf: ah, heh, yeah we did, until he had to go and break it :) |
| 03:48.38 | _2 | <enouf> _2: i happen to use a standard vga=791... yes but those chars are too short, width is ok. |
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| 03:49.19 | enouf | _2: ok -- toy with the available modes as listed in the url? ... |
| 03:49.22 | _2 | ah yes looking |
| 03:49.24 | jpin1 | liable: I have a signal now but no connection |
| 03:49.32 | enouf | liable: heh |
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| 03:49.36 | liable | jpin1: run dhclient |
| 03:50.16 | jpin1 | liable: ok - found something |
| 03:50.25 | _2 | enouf yeah i'm on it. |
| 03:50.28 | enouf | jpin1: ctrl+r will start a 'reverse-search' through your ~/.bash_history |
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| 03:50.45 | jpin1 | enouf: cool - that's handy |
| 03:50.53 | jpin1 | liable: got it again |
| 03:50.57 | infomomo | hey guys anyone knows FTP mirror for debian 5 DVD ? |
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| 03:51.10 | dee25 | how u install firefox 3.0.6 |
| 03:51.13 | infomomo | jigdo just messed up again :S:S:S |
| 03:51.13 | dee25 | in debian |
| 03:51.14 | dee25 | ? |
| 03:51.20 | jpin1 | now to write all those commands and test reboot and hotswap |
| 03:51.22 | abrotman | dee25: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 03:51.23 | liable | jpin1: now stop playing with it! :P |
| 03:51.26 | infomomo | dee25: sudo apt-get install firefox |
| 03:51.33 | jpin1 | liable: hehehe |
| 03:51.35 | enouf | jpin1: once you hit ctrl+r start typing in; iwconf then while hold ctrl press r many times until you reach command |
| 03:51.36 | abrotman | infomomo: not everyone has sudo installed |
| 03:51.39 | infomomo | iceweasel :D yeah |
| 03:51.51 | bittin_ | !mozilla |
| 03:51.51 | dpkg | somebody said mozilla was a browser called "Mozilla Application Suite" that hasn't been developed on in a long time. Mozilla Foundation is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird and ignoring M.A.S. There is a new project name for M.A.S. called seamonkey, use seamonkey instead of mozilla. see also <Mozilla Foundation> <seamonkey> <firefox> <thunderbird> |
| 03:51.51 | infomomo | ok sorry |
| 03:51.53 | dee25 | thats it? |
| 03:51.57 | infomomo | yup |
| 03:51.59 | infomomo | :P |
| 03:52.03 | bittin_ | !firefox |
| 03:52.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>. |
| 03:52.11 | pickcoder | dee25: and send freenode some cash for running this network |
| 03:52.17 | dee25 | ooo i see |
| 03:52.29 | bittin_ | !why iceweasel | dee25 |
| 03:52.36 | abrotman | bittin_: lay off the bot |
| 03:52.47 | bittin_ | :o ok |
| 03:53.56 | pickcoder | _2: resizecons should do it but package kbd wants to remove console-tools |
| 03:54.04 | pseubodot | sees abrotman |
| 03:54.15 | pseubodot | dist-upgrades into 5.0 |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | puts a bot in pseubodot |
| 03:55.11 | pseubodot | decides not to put a brot in abrotman. :) |
| 03:55.15 | pseubodot | runs! |
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| 03:55.45 | liable | he only takes cheesesteaks |
| 03:55.46 | infomomo | Do i absolutely need the DVD to install debian ? Can i install it with the CD only |
| 03:55.54 | infomomo | which Cd do i need ? CD1, CD2 ? |
| 03:55.59 | Fireblazer | Hey! |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | infomomo: use the netinst |
| 03:56.08 | stew | infomomo: you certainly don't need the dvd. you can use CD1, or a netinst |
| 03:56.09 | mordain | infomomo get the netinstall cd |
| 03:56.10 | enouf | heh - another thing to toy with --> $ cvt -v 120 30 |
| 03:56.24 | stew | infomomo: (assuming you can get onto the internet) |
| 03:56.31 | nsadmin | netinst is about 150mb, if you have a supported net connection it's a really good choice |
| 03:56.39 | infomomo | i never liked netinst :S |
| 03:56.44 | enouf | $ cvt -v 132 25 |
| 03:56.48 | mordain | jsut get CD1 then |
| 03:56.49 | infomomo | i ffel obligated to have a network card :S |
| 03:56.55 | infomomo | ok great :D |
| 03:56.56 | infomomo | thanks |
| 03:57.00 | infomomo | i already got the DVD |
| 03:57.01 | nsadmin | in that case download something 5 times as large |
| 03:57.05 | dee25 | sudo |
| 03:57.10 | dee25 | not found it said? |
| 03:57.15 | abrotman | dee25: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 03:57.18 | abrotman | no sudo needed |
| 03:57.19 | mordain | torrent FTW |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | just run it as root |
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| 03:57.35 | nsadmin | infomomo: so you don't have a net connection? (how are you here?) |
| 03:57.47 | infomomo | i do |
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| 03:58.01 | infomomo | but i dont want to feel obligated to install debianm opn a PC with NIC |
| 03:58.04 | infomomo | get ti ? |
| 03:58.06 | infomomo | get it ? |
| 03:58.08 | infomomo | what if it' |
| 03:58.13 | infomomo | sorry for DP |
| 03:58.25 | nsadmin | why? |
| 03:58.32 | nsadmin | do you not have a nic? |
| 03:58.55 | mordain | not all test boxen are net enabled =) |
| 03:58.57 | nsadmin | but if you have the dvd you should be able to install if it's bootable |
| 03:59.09 | _2 | <pickcoder> _2: resizecons ... ? package name ? |
| 03:59.15 | infomomo | of course it's bootable :D |
| 03:59.15 | pickcoder | kbd |
| 03:59.17 | dee25 | thankssss |
| 03:59.23 | pickcoder | but it wants to replace console-tools |
| 03:59.27 | infomomo | got it with jigdo :D:D:D |
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| 03:59.35 | dee25 | wat about adobe flash player |
| 03:59.36 | nsadmin | infomomo: so what happens when you boot? |
| 03:59.40 | dee25 | i have a hard time with that one |
| 03:59.41 | infomomo | we will see |
| 03:59.48 | infomomo | am testing it on VMWare first |
| 03:59.59 | infomomo | will let you know |
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| 04:00.33 | _2 | pickcoder i'm not seeing that package, this is lenny ? |
| 04:00.35 | mordain | btw in regards to the virtaul machine question i had earlier, here are a couple of keywords for the channel bot "KVM" & "XEN" |
| 04:00.47 | nsadmin | doesn't the netinstall have a way to use virtual devices presented by xen, vmware or whatever? |
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| 04:01.11 | pickcoder | !info kbd |
| 04:01.13 | dpkg | kbd: (Linux console font and keytable utilities), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.14.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 1288 kB |
| 04:01.25 | pickcoder | !info kbd lenny |
| 04:01.34 | pickcoder | waits |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | judd: versions kbd |
| 04:01.36 | judd | abrotman: kbd -- etch: 1.12-17 lenny: 1.14.1-4 sid: 1.14.1-4 |
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| 04:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm etch |
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| 04:01.53 | pickcoder | I need to make a sticker for my monito with judd on it |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:02.09 | abrotman | oh .. i guess judd is out of date ? |
| 04:02.17 | stew | i need to get access to the box with judd on it to teach it about squeeze |
| 04:02.20 | pickcoder | nope |
| 04:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or might just say "etch" for stable |
| 04:02.29 | dpkg | kbd: (Linux console font and keytable utilities), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.14.1-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 1288 kB |
| 04:02.30 | _2 | pickcoder it's !info resizecons lenny that i need to see |
| 04:02.31 | pickcoder | 1.14.1-4 is still correct for lenny |
| 04:02.44 | pickcoder | _2: it's there |
| 04:02.53 | stew | judd currenly behind a broken firewall |
| 04:02.53 | pickcoder | it's part of kbd |
| 04:02.54 | judd | stew: Error: "currenly" is not a valid command. |
| 04:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, how about stable/testing/unstable? |
| 04:03.34 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: iirc, judd is downloading by releaes name, and doesn't know about squeeze at all |
| 04:03.54 | _2 | pickcoder that's what i was asking "what is the package name" :))) |
| 04:04.09 | nsadmin | that sounds good but don't take away the absolute release name |
| 04:04.15 | stew | i haven't seen the guy who admins the firewall online for several days |
| 04:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just mean if it'd go for stable/testing/unstable, it'd always work independent of release names |
| 04:04.24 | pickcoder | _2: dude.. READ up.. we're all querying for package info! |
| 04:04.30 | _2 | <_2> <pickcoder> _2: resizecons ... ? package name ? |
| 04:04.31 | pickcoder | it's KBD |
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| 04:04.55 | nsadmin | _2: packages.debian.org has a searcher and if you install apt-file that has one too |
| 04:05.03 | nsadmin | three for |
| 04:05.06 | pickcoder | there is no package info available for apt-file |
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| 04:05.11 | pickcoder | apt-file update fails |
| 04:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | five six? |
| 04:05.18 | stew | its also out of date for etch, i thinki its on r5 |
| 04:05.23 | pickcoder | tries again |
| 04:05.25 | nsadmin | let |
| 04:05.30 | nsadmin | s all watch styx |
| 04:05.33 | _2 | acts like he sitll doesn't know, seeing that communication has totally failed |
| 04:05.33 | pickcoder | ah.. it's the security list |
| 04:05.34 | pickcoder | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 04:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I thought it's updating on a regular basis |
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| 04:06.13 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, for all but stable |
| 04:06.19 | bugjar | pickcoder -- had that problem this afternoon for attempting to update etch |
| 04:06.44 | jpin1 | liable: when i am in a situation where there is more han one AP - how do I tell the connection to go to right one? |
| 04:06.48 | bugjar | pickcoder: (but i wasn't trying to get 'lenny') :) |
| 04:06.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: each of stable,testing,unstable takes like 25 minutes to update, so i don't have it do stable 4 times a day, knowing it only changes every other month |
| 04:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, well - once a day should be enough :) but I see what you mean... why's it take so long, does it need more than what you get with apt-get update? |
| 04:08.54 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: becuase the way udd works is to parse a packages.gz and delete 26k rows and insert 26k new rows in their place all in one database transaction |
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| 04:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | useful bots are fun... I should see I get one (when there's something it'd be useful for) |
| 04:09.25 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: udd doesn't use the Packages.gz.diffs by design, which they consider a feature, which i consider dumb |
| 04:09.26 | pickcoder | I wrote one in dataBASIC years ago |
| 04:09.45 | pickcoder | the english interpretation script was fun |
| 04:09.48 | nsadmin | stew: why does it do it that way? |
| 04:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I see... wouldn't it be easier to erase (rebuild) the database instead of deleting 26k rows from it? |
| 04:10.04 | nsadmin | or why did you pick that way? |
| 04:10.16 | stew | nsadmin: in order to ensure accuracy. they don't trust their ability to parse the diffs I guess |
| 04:11.06 | nsadmin | what form do the diffs take |
| 04:11.07 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:11.12 | enouf | _2: like this? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html |
| 04:11.47 | stew | nsadmin: ed style diffs |
| 04:12.18 | nsadmin | so to properly interpret them you could embed ed in the process |
| 04:12.25 | liable | jpin1: iwlist scan, then use iwconfig to set the appropriate ap (essid) |
| 04:12.45 | _2 | enouf looking |
| 04:13.05 | stew | nsadmin: ed doesn't have hooks to tell me "ok i changed 10 lines, which affected these 2 packages in the following ways" |
| 04:13.42 | nsadmin | could you take ed's parser by itself? |
| 04:14.09 | stew | it would be easier to just parse. its not a hard format to parse |
| 04:14.22 | stew | and themill actually wrote a parser |
| 04:14.33 | stew | which i just haven't gotten around to doing anything about |
| 04:14.44 | stew | stop. showertime </hammer> |
| 04:14.46 | nsadmin | oh, well, you could put up an additional bot to test it |
| 04:14.55 | jpin1 | liable: cool - thanks |
| 04:15.21 | stew | nsadmin: the server isn't powerful enough |
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| 04:15.42 | gaintsura | is there a way to make synaptic keep the marked changes I have and be able to close synaptic? |
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| 04:16.31 | nsadmin | well the server is also presently inaccessable due to the firewall breakage accordign to what you said earlier... howbout hosting it on another box? |
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| 04:17.39 | nsadmin | anyway hold that thought... we both got stuff going |
| 04:17.40 | jpin1 | liable - last question - I'd like to enale mac filtering on my router - how do I find the mac address on the laptop that will work? |
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| 04:18.25 | enouf | jpin1: ifconfig shows HWaddr .. but so does ethtool and arp and others |
| 04:18.25 | _2 | ifconfig |
| 04:19.06 | enouf | jpin1: it's also all over dmesg and in udev files ;-p |
| 04:19.30 | jpin1 | enouf: ok ta |
| 04:19.36 | enouf | and lshal and hwinfo and /sys and lshw and ... |
| 04:20.30 | _2 | listed in lshw and others too not to mention being in /proc |
| 04:20.45 | enouf | jpin1: now - which school of computer science did you obtain a degree from? not redmond uni? (but seriously though) |
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| 04:21.18 | enouf | (and yes, i realize it's mostly mathematics) |
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| 04:22.32 | _2 | !info svgatextmode |
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| 04:22.55 | jpin1 | enouf - I was eing totally sarcastic |
| 04:22.59 | dpkg | svgatextmode: (enable higher resolution text modes), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9-21 (sid), Packaged size: 356 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 04:23.08 | jpin1 | I am a newly self taught person |
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| 04:23.24 | enouf | jpin1: ok - that's cool |
| 04:23.26 | asdfqwer | hai |
| 04:23.39 | asdfqwer | my gconf just went hay-wire. |
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| 04:25.07 | _2 | command resize* didn't come in kbd package just a note. |
| 04:25.11 | enouf | hehe "... If you abhor 80x25 text modes as much as I do but have a modern CPU and video hardware, then..." |
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| 04:26.19 | asdfqwer | anyone use a wheel group? |
| 04:26.45 | enouf | no |
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| 04:27.03 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:27.07 | enouf | !wheel |
| 04:27.07 | dpkg | methinks wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 04:27.07 | asdfqwer | i think this was the source of my gconf going nuts |
| 04:27.45 | enouf | then you're using a redhat variant of debian :-P |
| 04:27.50 | asdfqwer | ok, so use PAM where admins is greater than one |
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| 04:28.53 | asdfqwer | sudo is the same as running a command as root, right? |
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| 04:29.10 | k-man | since the release of lenny, whenever i try and install a package, it says no candidates available |
| 04:29.10 | asdfqwer | like sudo chmod will make root own |
| 04:29.16 | enouf | basically, yes |
| 04:29.22 | enouf | er ,,, |
| 04:29.23 | _2 | ~= |
| 04:29.31 | simonrvn | not necessarily |
| 04:29.35 | enouf | sudo chmod what |
| 04:29.48 | asdfqwer | does it matter? |
| 04:29.51 | enouf | sudo chown root:root |
| 04:29.59 | enouf | will make root owner |
| 04:30.03 | _2 | asdfqwer no |
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| 04:30.18 | enouf | for some things yes ... in the way you use sudo |
| 04:30.23 | simonrvn | also depends on sudo configuration ;p |
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| 04:30.50 | spook__ | urgh... |
| 04:30.53 | _2 | root and group root too |
| 04:31.03 | asdfqwer | so, cs@host sudo chmod 700 is not avaible for root? |
| 04:31.28 | _2 | wonders how chmod makes someone own .... |
| 04:31.30 | asdfqwer | i'll just ask my question |
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| 04:31.40 | enouf | sudo sh -c 'echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit-something' won't work without the subshell process |
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| 04:32.25 | jaggz- | how can I get the DISPLAY variable from the local-running 'screen'? I presently must ^A^Z screen, echo $DISPLAY, then manually set that within the shell in screen in order to override the shell's DISPLAY setting from being invoked earlier non-locally. This is to get the proper local DISPLAY setting initially set by sshd's port forwarding system. |
| 04:32.36 | enouf | echo $DISPLAY |
| 04:32.41 | _2 | echo 2 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/overcommit-something |
| 04:32.44 | simonrvn | _2: see what incomplete knowledge does ? ;) |
| 04:32.55 | _2 | :) |
| 04:33.03 | Mousey | learns you incompletely! |
| 04:33.15 | _2 | Mousey :) |
| 04:33.33 | Mousey | huggles encryptfs |
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| 04:33.41 | enouf | jaggz-: wow - you've confused the heck out of me - so, forget my last post |
| 04:33.41 | simonrvn | oh silly Mousey, kicks are for trids |
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| 04:34.15 | Mousey | isn't a rabbi! |
| 04:34.21 | asdfqwer | ok so in my sudoers ALL=(ALL) ALL expresses what? |
| 04:34.25 | jpin1 | enouf: that ctrl+r trick in bash is so useful :) |
| 04:34.28 | jaggz- | chown root.root? : is valid too? |
| 04:34.39 | simonrvn | wow, someone who got that :) |
| 04:34.40 | Mousey | or chown root:root -- linux isn't picky |
| 04:34.40 | enouf | jpin1: yep ;-) |
| 04:34.49 | simonrvn | s,.,:, |
| 04:34.55 | Mousey | COMMAS?? |
| 04:34.58 | Mousey | you perl user |
| 04:35.05 | simonrvn | . is deprecated |
| 04:35.19 | enouf | s#,#\## :-p |
| 04:35.29 | jaggz- | I had problems in something using #'s |
| 04:35.35 | simonrvn | BACKSLASHES?! |
| 04:35.40 | enouf | wonders if that would even work |
| 04:35.46 | enouf | likely not |
| 04:36.09 | jaggz- | jpin1, I map <m-p> to history-search-backwards and m-n to history-search-forwards in bash |
| 04:36.17 | enouf | jaggz-: urls? :-) |
| 04:36.43 | enouf | commas are good to use in sed when urls are concerned |
| 04:36.47 | jaggz- | it's one of the more convenient things I've found in shell work.. coming from old ndos days in my case. |
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| 04:37.42 | jaggz- | well, I did it with escape, which is probably fine on all your systems -- put this in your inputrc "\ep": history-search-backward |
| 04:37.43 | jaggz- | "\en": history-search-forward |
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| 04:38.29 | jaggz- | for me it's a much more convenient take on ^R searching, which I never got comfortable with |
| 04:39.00 | enouf | # tab complete on first tab, no need to hit tab twice => set show-all-if-ambiguous On |
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| 04:39.20 | Mousey | huggles ^R searching |
| 04:40.01 | asdfqwer | will ALL=(ALL) just make anything overwritable |
| 04:40.05 | asdfqwer | for said user |
| 04:40.10 | enouf | # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history |
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| 04:40.37 | enouf | "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 04:40.49 | corey__ | what debian distro has the smallest disk requirements for installation? |
| 04:41.06 | Mousey | debian |
| 04:41.18 | corey__ | Mousey, do you know the size? |
| 04:41.21 | Mousey | debian businesscard cd |
| 04:41.25 | Mousey | it's just an install cd |
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| 04:41.29 | Mousey | debian is a distro |
| 04:41.39 | Mousey | what do you mean by "what debian distro"? |
| 04:41.50 | enouf | prolly http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 04:41.50 | corey__ | there are spin offs.. |
| 04:41.55 | enouf | 140K :-) |
| 04:41.58 | Mousey | oh, you mean like ubuntu? |
| 04:42.04 | ferret_0567 | what does a deb src line in source.list look like? |
| 04:42.05 | Mousey | debian-based distro |
| 04:42.08 | Mousey | i see |
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| 04:42.21 | enouf | ferret_0567: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 04:42.24 | corey__ | I wish to install a debian system onto a CF card, but not sure how small of a card I can go |
| 04:42.28 | debeee | hi... |
| 04:42.29 | Mousey | well the smallest debian-BASED distro is probably not for x86, i'd say maemo (for the nokia n810) is probably smallest |
| 04:42.33 | dee25 | how u install |
| 04:42.35 | dee25 | adobe flash player |
| 04:42.52 | Mousey | corey__: CF cards come in 16GB, why go small? |
| 04:42.54 | corey__ | Mousey, ah sorry. This is for x86. on a via mainboard |
| 04:43.08 | jpin1 | corey__: I have lenny on an eeepc's flash hdd at about 1.2 Gbs |
| 04:43.21 | corey__ | Mousey, since the server will have two sata drives I want to keep OS data just on the CF card |
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| 04:44.06 | corey__ | jpin1, thanks for the info. have you installed many other applications? |
| 04:44.16 | jpin1 | corey__: no |
| 04:44.41 | jpin1 | lxde deesktop and iceweasel |
| 04:44.56 | jpin1 | vlc, pidgin |
| 04:44.57 | dee25 | how u install adobe |
| 04:44.59 | dee25 | flash player |
| 04:45.01 | Mousey | you can install a lot in 1.2GB |
| 04:45.08 | dee25 | which file tz or deb |
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| 04:45.23 | Mousey | i wouldn't suggest Xorg be on the list of installed packages, tho |
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| 04:45.37 | jpin1 | Mousey: it's really important to wath what you install to avoid dragging in a load of dependencies |
| 04:45.45 | jpin1 | that occupy a lot of space |
| 04:45.57 | enouf | dee25: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 04:45.58 | pickcoder | anyone know what the limit is for # of uids on AMD64 |
| 04:46.02 | Mousey | jpin1: that's as easy as saying "no" when you apt-get and it lists fucktons |
| 04:46.12 | jpin1 | Mousey: exactly |
| 04:46.25 | enouf | pickcoder: according to debian policy? |
| 04:46.35 | pickcoder | according to the system that's running |
| 04:46.40 | dee25 | msg? |
| 04:46.41 | enouf | pickcoder: i mean it's not a 32bit vs 64bit issue |
| 04:46.46 | pickcoder | no |
| 04:46.50 | jpin1 | corey__: you should be fine - go for a base install and add only what you really want |
| 04:46.57 | pickcoder | but I would have thought it was increased by now from 16-bit |
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| 04:47.37 | enouf | pickcoder: file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
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| 04:48.03 | enouf | crap ...sorry, i meant http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 04:48.12 | enouf | !groups |
| 04:48.13 | dpkg | groups is, like, file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html, or ask me about <group><desktop groups> |
| 04:48.40 | enouf | dpkg: groups is also see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 04:48.40 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 04:49.08 | jpinx | happily connects his new wifi card - thanks again liable :) |
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| 04:49.36 | enouf | jpinx: curious, which module ended up working? ath5k or madwifi? |
| 04:49.41 | pickcoder | nope.. still ~65K |
| 04:49.44 | enouf | and is ath_pci also loaded? |
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| 04:49.58 | jpinx | enouf - madwifi |
| 04:50.01 | debeee | iam writing an article on how to setup dns/bind on debian. can i have someone help me review it and provide me some feedbacks or tips? |
| 04:50.09 | jpinx | ath5k only does more recent cards |
| 04:50.25 | jpinx | this is an old one I was given (retrieved from the bin) |
| 04:50.53 | enouf | jpinx: does http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k point to the correct madwifi links? |
| 04:50.54 | dee25 | which command should i use for |
| 04:50.59 | dee25 | deb adobe flash player |
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| 04:51.25 | jpinx | enouf: to be honest - it's a mess of undated information which totally confused me |
| 04:51.26 | enouf | dee25: /msg dpkg adobe flash <== type that in your irc client |
| 04:51.43 | enouf | dpkg: tell dee25 -about adobe flash |
| 04:51.52 | simonrvn | debeee: might want to ask on debian-user too (@lists.debian.org) |
| 04:52.01 | asdfqwer | no firebug extension for iceweasel? |
| 04:52.03 | asdfqwer | :( |
| 04:52.17 | jaggz- | enouf, I don't like moving my hand off their normal typing position |
| 04:52.26 | simonrvn | https://addons.mozilla.org/ ... |
| 04:52.42 | enouf | jpinx: well - it's been recently updated - and on quick perusal, i found it very understandable |
| 04:52.49 | jaggz- | and the normal \e[5~ mapping is pgup |
| 04:53.03 | jpinx | enouf: the terms are familiar to you ;) |
| 04:53.16 | jpinx | I needed a technical dictionary |
| 04:53.17 | enouf | jaggz-: m-p makes no sense to me |
| 04:53.37 | enouf | jpinx: or just some /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:53.40 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:53.51 | jpinx | enouf: that as well:) |
| 04:54.30 | jaggz- | enouf, previous and next |
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| 04:54.38 | fogel | hi |
| 04:54.44 | jpinx | enouf: I will look at it tomorrow (it's midnight here) and report to you |
| 04:54.45 | nsadmin | at minimum /msg dpkg fundamentals (which is hopefully still no longer harsh sounding) |
| 04:54.48 | enouf | jaggz-: besides, i hate typing .. try and trump that! |
| 04:55.01 | enouf | jpinx: could be past/prior/present |
| 04:55.22 | fogel | i've got a question: can i install debian manually from another distro? not via install cd? |
| 04:55.26 | enouf | m-p is a twistey on the wrist too |
| 04:55.47 | nsadmin | fogel yes using debootstrap |
| 04:55.51 | jpinx | enouf: the impression I get (could easily be wrong) is that ath5k is for recent but not *too* new ath cards |
| 04:55.57 | enouf | gah - jpinx ignore my last to you - meant for jaggz- |
| 04:56.05 | nsadmin | but you're going to need partitions |
| 04:56.11 | jpinx | enouf: and not too old either - like mine |
| 04:56.35 | enouf | jpinx: well - maybe newer kernels have better support for older cards .. that's the way it works sometimes - that |
| 04:56.37 | jpinx | enouf: it's ok - I gathered that wasn't for me;) |
| 04:56.37 | fogel | nsadmin: and i suppose after strapping the toolchain i can chroot into a system and finish installation? |
| 04:56.57 | enouf | that's why one watches things like lkml and kernelnewbies.org and such |
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| 04:57.00 | jpinx | enouf: liable had all the answers though;) |
| 04:57.03 | nsadmin | you won't need to bootstrap the toolchain, you can just install it |
| 04:57.12 | adfasdf | how do you change the looks of the unlock diaglog box? |
| 04:57.32 | nsadmin | dress it in a tutu? |
| 04:57.41 | enouf | jpinx: i told you i know nothing about wifi ;-) but i could easily follow that wiki |
| 04:57.54 | simonrvn | aw, slinky red dress is better ;p |
| 04:57.56 | jpinx | enouf: I haven't got it to come online at boot-time yet |
| 04:57.59 | simonrvn | naw |
| 04:58.40 | adfasdf | you guys know what i' mtalking about? |
| 04:58.53 | jpinx | enouf: it's all in your prior experience of reading such documents which are a maze of confusion to us mere mortals |
| 04:58.56 | nsadmin | looks changing of a gui entity? |
| 04:59.27 | adfasdf | yeah when you unlock the computer |
| 04:59.40 | simonrvn | adfasdf: we're talking about your armpits, of course. :P |
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| 04:59.54 | zaapiel | hello |
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| 05:00.46 | nsadmin | simonrvn: in that case we know exactly what we're talking about! |
| 05:00.46 | jpinx | enouf: the first thing the wiki might say is what cards it works for |
| 05:00.46 | enouf | jpinx: take a gander http://rafb.net/p/4fwpa751.html as sort of a template |
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| 05:01.18 | nsadmin | you have to find out what is available to change the looks... maybe x resources |
| 05:01.24 | fogel | and is it safe to use Lenny in 64bits? is it very unstable or can be freely used as desktop? |
| 05:01.46 | zaapiel | do they provide iso's with ext4 support on install? |
| 05:01.52 | nsadmin | I thought people liked unstable desktops... |
| 05:02.10 | enouf | jpinx: not a bad idea - can you join #debian on irc.debian.org and perhaps ping gsimmons and let him know what might help make it more clear? that would help all ... I'm not sure it's him exactly you want, but he'll know who |
| 05:02.17 | d-b | zaapiel: no idea, you can convert ext3 to ext4 but lenny only has the 2.6.26 kernel .. so |
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| 05:02.25 | d-b | it works but not as well as it could (ext4) |
| 05:02.43 | jpinx | enouf: I'll try..... |
| 05:02.46 | zaapiel | k |
| 05:03.00 | enouf | jpinx: the pre-up lines there might require a sudo preface .. not sure |
| 05:03.13 | jpinx | what's pre-up? |
| 05:03.20 | enouf | jpinx: /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 05:03.33 | nsadmin | down! |
| 05:03.36 | enouf | jpinx: pre-initialization-up |
| 05:03.52 | enouf | er pre ifup |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | prior to ifup .. there's also postup :-) |
| 05:04.19 | simonrvn | if he's using sudo ifp he won't |
| 05:04.22 | enouf | er post-up ? :-) |
| 05:04.24 | jpinx | enouf: I'm ok with basic sudo-ing - I do that all the time |
| 05:04.27 | simonrvn | ifup* |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | simonrvn: his wifi doesn't auto come up on boot - wait jpinx is the PCMCIA wifi card inserted at boot time? |
| 05:05.22 | jpinx | enouf: yes |
| 05:05.46 | simonrvn | so pre-up something for that interface |
| 05:05.58 | simonrvn | sounds like what's needed |
| 05:06.04 | enouf | simonrvn: see my paste ;-) |
| 05:06.23 | simonrvn | i post-up stuff for eth0, instead of using aliases... |
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| 05:06.27 | simonrvn | no i won't ;p |
| 05:06.38 | enouf | jpinx: also - i THINK you can have allow-hotplug AND auto on the next line for same iface |
| 05:06.42 | simonrvn | i take it you've done something ;). |
| 05:07.08 | simonrvn | man interfaces |
| 05:07.15 | jpinx | enouf: I'm happy to experiment now - I can always revert ;) |
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| 05:08.04 | simonrvn | jpinx: etckeeper ;p |
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| 05:08.32 | surlyjake | would anyone be kind enough to tell me how i can install firefox addons in iceweasel? when i click on the links, it just downloads the .xpi |
| 05:08.34 | simonrvn | best thing that's been done for that, IME/IMO |
| 05:08.47 | scientes | what is the package that suggests programs when you type in commands ? |
| 05:09.14 | simonrvn | what? |
| 05:09.34 | zaapiel | lol |
| 05:10.02 | scientes | like if you type in freeciv but you dont have it installed |
| 05:10.27 | simonrvn | are you using ubuntu or something? |
| 05:10.40 | simonrvn | (probably...) |
| 05:10.55 | simonrvn | looking at your channel list, i'd say yes. |
| 05:11.38 | enouf | jpinx: righto |
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| 05:12.31 | lavamind | hello |
| 05:12.53 | enouf | surlyjake: somewhere in edit > preferences ? |
| 05:12.56 | lavamind | has anyone using Sid been having recent problems with nautilus ? |
| 05:13.06 | enouf | surlyjake: enable/allow d/l installable things? |
| 05:13.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:13.14 | enouf | surlyjake: or .. about:config ? |
| 05:13.28 | lavamind | for some reason I can't open *any* files anymore by simply double-clicking |
| 05:13.30 | enouf | surlyjake: i don't use either though |
| 05:13.52 | lavamind | an error message is displayed "Can't display <file>" |
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| 05:15.12 | lavamind | .desktop files (shortcuts) now suddenly open in gedit ?! |
| 05:16.15 | lavamind | even new users, with a new profile, have this problem... |
| 05:16.44 | plsd | When I delete something on my second hard drive it tells me "Cannot move file to trash, do you want to delete immediately?". I accidentally deleted trash on that hd once but I thought it would come back after installing Debian, apparently not. Anyone know how to get it back? |
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| 05:17.14 | surlyjake | enouf: i changed xpinstall.enabled to true, but still doing the same thing |
| 05:17.16 | jaggz- | i thought lenny was using kde5 |
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| 05:18.05 | nkuttler | lavamind: not that i use gnome, but moving .gconf*, .gnome* etc somewhere else is always a good start |
| 05:18.17 | enouf | surlyjake: did you restart the browser? |
| 05:18.35 | enouf | surlyjake: and check if the setting stuck |
| 05:18.38 | lavamind | nkuttler, I tried logging in with a newly created user, same problem |
| 05:18.51 | nkuttler | lavamind: well, it's called unstable for a reason |
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| 05:19.39 | lavamind | nkuttler, yeah, I'm just having a hard time pinpoiting the defective package |
| 05:20.36 | lavamind | nkuttler, it might be something really dumb, though some other times basic stuff is broken a long time... |
| 05:20.41 | surlyjake | enouf: yes. still the same thing. |
| 05:20.58 | surlyjake | enough: i click the button, and the xpi appears on my desktop |
| 05:21.13 | lavamind | plsd, if you formatted your second hard drive, its as good as gone... |
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| 05:21.34 | enouf | surlyjake: sorry - i personally have no idea then .. |
| 05:22.17 | plsd | lavamind, I didn't format, I just deleted trash folders as root |
| 05:22.49 | plsd | I just want to be able to move stuff to trash from that hard drive, instead of having to delete right away |
| 05:23.23 | lavamind | plsd, oh ok I thought you wanted to recover deleted files |
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| 05:25.16 | enouf | plsd: http://rafb.net/p/D2vLhI49.html |
| 05:26.00 | plsd | enouf, I use Gnome though, I'm guessing it's not the same? |
| 05:26.17 | surlyjake | enouf: thanks for trying :) |
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| 05:26.43 | jpinx | enouf: from your paste it looks like your wifi interface is wlan0 - is that right? |
| 05:26.47 | enouf | plsd: nope ;-) |
| 05:26.54 | _2 | well the best i have gotten so far is 80x21 would rather 116x30 but can't seem to get that to work. i thought i fried my lcd but it seems to be ok.... |
| 05:27.03 | enouf | jpinx: yeah, replace with your properly named iface |
| 05:27.26 | jpinx | enouf: ok - doing some experimenting here |
| 05:27.29 | enouf | jpinx: it's not even mine - i stole someone's paste a while back, once they worked it out |
| 05:27.37 | jpinx | heh |
| 05:28.01 | _2 | seems that even though the display adapter supports something in SvgaTextMode that doesn't mean the monitor does o.O |
| 05:28.03 | mavez | hey there any apache users, where is the documentroot in debians apache |
| 05:28.10 | enouf | plsd: /msg dpkg gnome |
| 05:28.20 | enouf | plsd: see gconf-editor as well? |
| 05:28.28 | jpinx | enouf: how the blazes do you remember where you keep these snippets - I have hundreds and can never find the relvant one again :\ |
| 05:29.02 | enouf | jpinx: files ;-) |
| 05:29.32 | enouf | jpinx: consolidated .. and i use less, and it's / search feature ;-) |
| 05:29.47 | jpinx | enouf: what search feature? |
| 05:29.53 | enouf | alias lesssc='less -N ~/scratch.txt' |
| 05:30.04 | enouf | with line numbers :-) |
| 05:30.13 | _2 | jpinx heh you dont' know about less hehhe man less |
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| 05:30.27 | jpinx | I know less :p |
| 05:30.32 | enouf | jpinx: less file; hit the '/' key, type in <string>, hit enter |
| 05:30.37 | jpinx | it's what runs man pages |
| 05:30.42 | _2 | <jpinx> enouf: what search feature? <<<< ;/ |
| 05:30.57 | enouf | only because it's set as your $PAGER jpinx |
| 05:31.01 | jpinx | but I don't know it *that* well ;) |
| 05:31.05 | enouf | _2: :-) |
| 05:31.24 | enouf | jpinx: update-alternatives --config pager |
| 05:31.26 | _2 | less is more than more, because more is less than less |
| 05:31.34 | enouf | and see others available |
| 05:31.35 | jpinx | goes off to play with searching in less now |
| 05:32.00 | enouf | jpinx: my web browser also searches and highlights text that same way |
| 05:32.11 | enouf | no bloat here - and it's frigging FAST! |
| 05:32.17 | jpinx | enouf: my browser does searches too |
| 05:32.26 | enouf | jpinx: not this easily - trust me |
| 05:32.28 | _2 | elinks ? |
| 05:32.33 | enouf | !links2 |
| 05:32.33 | dpkg | links2 is, like, a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 05:32.35 | jpinx | I'll need to practice more |
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| 05:32.46 | jpinx | iceweasel |
| 05:32.48 | enouf | jpinx: all instances are highlighted all at once |
| 05:32.59 | _2 | prefers elinks over links2 unless in a GUI |
| 05:33.18 | enouf | no need to fucken keep hitting <alt + f4> of ctrl + f or whatever other stupid shit they make you do |
| 05:33.33 | enouf | links2 -g ;-) |
| 05:33.50 | enouf | prefers links2 -g ;-) |
| 05:33.59 | _2 | enouf yes i know. but in console i seldom want -g |
| 05:34.07 | enouf | and even uses xlinks2 as a shortcut in a script :-) |
| 05:34.22 | enouf | _2: why? cause your resolution sucks ass |
| 05:34.24 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:34.41 | enouf | i have 1024x768x16bit in my console ;-) |
| 05:35.01 | enouf | but IINM, the browser actually opens at 800x600 .. i forget now |
| 05:35.25 | _2 | enouf yeah cause the rez mostly |
| 05:36.01 | _2 | speed too don't forget that i don't have bandwidth i have bandNARROWNESS |
| 05:36.07 | plsd | I fixed my trash problem by 'chown -R plsd /media/drive2' |
| 05:36.31 | enouf | heh .. KonqOut in KDE with X is worse than 1992 Dial-up speeds |
| 05:36.44 | plsd | before that some parent folders were root owned and the files withing were owned by regular user |
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| 05:36.58 | jpinx | enouf: my ifaces file doesn't have any "auto" entries, but eth0 comes up at boot time if it's connected |
| 05:37.04 | jpinx | is this normal? |
| 05:37.24 | enouf | jpinx: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 05:37.27 | _2 | dhclient |
| 05:37.35 | enouf | and see the 70 file mentioned on lenny IINM |
| 05:37.37 | enouf | !70 |
| 05:37.38 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 05:38.03 | enouf | jpinx: your initrd likely has eth0 as an entry as well |
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| 05:39.02 | jpinx | yikes -- too difficult and dangerous - I'll live with things as they are |
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| 05:39.32 | _2 | it's dhclient that's configuring the iface "bringing it up" at boot time. |
| 05:39.43 | enouf | $ rgrep eth0 /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 05:40.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.10 | _2 | rgrep ? |
| 05:40.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:40.31 | _2 | exec grep -r "$@" |
| 05:40.31 | enouf | egrep == ? :-P |
| 05:40.54 | _2 | exec grep -E "$@" |
| 05:41.18 | dzup | exec grep -E "$@" |
| 05:41.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.23 | _2 | well maybe ${1+"$@"} in place of "$@" |
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| 05:42.07 | enouf | jpinx: let me see your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 05:43.24 | _2 | zgrep ? |
| 05:43.48 | _2 | now that's a script the others should be aliases |
| 05:43.51 | jpinx | enouf: apart from lo and eth0 it has allow-hotplug ath0 and iface ath0 inet dhcp |
| 05:44.16 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.19 | jpinx | enouf: and the lines liable gave me for my local AP |
| 05:44.21 | Sazpaimon | how is this even possible |
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| 05:44.42 | d-b | Sazpaimon: are you joking ? |
| 05:44.55 | jpinx | enouf: wireless-essid and wireless ap |
| 05:45.05 | _2 | d-b i think he is talking about the load |
| 05:45.10 | Sazpaimon | d-b, no sir |
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| 05:45.27 | enouf | !tell jpinx -about pastebin |
| 05:45.32 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.34 | _2 | :))) |
| 05:45.43 | jpinx | enouf: ok |
| 05:46.14 | d-b | _2: i noticed. Sazpaimon what is the server doing ? |
| 05:46.29 | Sazpaimon | d-b, that's a good question |
| 05:46.36 | jpinx | http://rafb.net/p/QdgMOJ25.html |
| 05:46.39 | jpinx | enouf: ^^ |
| 05:46.55 | Sazpaimon | one that i currently cannot answer because "uptime" took 10 minutes to give a reply |
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| 05:47.42 | nsadmin | alife: look at 5.2.6's debian/rules |
| 05:48.02 | Sazpaimon | i managed to stick a killall -9 apache2 in there though |
| 05:48.17 | _2 | Sazpaimon oh, it's playing script kiddy games... |
| 05:48.26 | enouf | jpinx: change "allow-hotplug ath0" to "auto ath0" and try |
| 05:48.35 | Sazpaimon | _2, who knows |
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| 05:48.59 | _2 | the logs might if you caught it in time :))) |
| 05:49.10 | jpinx | enouf: ok |
| 05:49.18 | Sazpaimon | _2, I dont keep logs, if I did /var/ would fill up in a few minutes |
| 05:49.40 | karlw | Hi. I'm trying to get Compiz Fusion working on my MacBook dual boot. I understand that MacBooks have video BIOS issues. |
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| 05:50.01 | Sazpaimon | this isnt debian related anyway because i just realized that the machine with such a high server load is gentoo based anyway and not my debian server |
| 05:50.03 | Sazpaimon | whoops! |
| 05:50.18 | boodi3 | Hi : while installing lenny, I ran out of space on /var ... damn! are there any neans to clean space from that partition and carry on ? |
| 05:50.47 | Sazpaimon | i stole the gentoo prompt scheme for the debian server so i mix them up every so often |
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| 05:51.20 | _2 | Sazpaimon pfft, i started to say compiling gentoo but thought that would be shot down in #debian and opted for script kiddy |
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| 05:52.23 | deus___ | prepares his shotgun :p |
| 05:52.47 | Sazpaimon | i still am unsure how a load of 700+ is even possible |
| 05:52.55 | Sazpaimon | even on a quad core machine |
| 05:53.01 | boodi3 | Sazpaimon: how can I safely get rid of the logs? |
| 05:53.14 | Sazpaimon | boodi3, rm -f |
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| 05:53.33 | boodi3 | what files? |
| 05:53.42 | _2 | boodi3 you mean permanantly ? turn the logging function off for the daemons |
| 05:54.07 | Sazpaimon | boodi3, cd /var/log && du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 05:54.17 | karlw | How do I get Apple's overpriced graphics card to work for lenny? |
| 05:54.19 | Sazpaimon | cd into the directory with the most usage and delete the files |
| 05:54.22 | boodi3 | No ; I mean for now ; |
| 05:55.15 | td123 | does anyone know how I can install adobe flash on lenny? I looked at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer but it didn't work |
| 05:55.25 | td123 | it says flashplugin-nonfree not found |
| 05:56.09 | _2 | enable non-free |
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| 05:56.19 | karlw | Did you enable multiverse? |
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| 05:56.57 | enouf | ... |
| 05:57.00 | td123 | I did enable nonfree |
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| 05:57.21 | enouf | karlw: this is not #ubuntu |
| 05:57.33 | td123 | the wierd thing is is that it autocompletes flashplugin-nonfree yet it doesn't find it : |
| 05:57.36 | enouf | td123: you need contrib |
| 05:57.57 | karlw | *headdesk* |
| 05:57.59 | td123 | enouf: I also have contrib |
| 05:58.01 | _2 | enouf oh? it's on contrib and not in non-free ? my bad. |
| 05:58.01 | enouf | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:58.03 | judd | enouf: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.5 |
| 05:58.12 | boodi3 | The alternative is to get out, launch gparted, resize /var, and carry on, but with half the installation done, I might have trouble |
| 05:58.20 | enouf | td123: you also need to grab it from sid |
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| 05:59.02 | enouf | td123: in time, there'll likely be a Backport made for Lenny |
| 05:59.06 | enouf | if not already |
| 05:59.39 | td123 | its not there yet :P I can confirm it |
| 05:59.44 | enouf | _2: it;s a bit screwy - it has -nonfree in it's name :-P |
| 06:00.01 | _2 | where is a list of "sections" for sources.list (lenny) ? |
| 06:00.09 | enouf | _2: but anything FlashCrapPoopShit is always a mess :-P |
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| 06:00.21 | _2 | enouf indeed |
| 06:00.33 | boodi3 | Sazpaimon: how about launching gparted, resizing /var, and carrying on? but with half the installation done, I might have trouble ... |
| 06:01.06 | boodi3 | -msg dpkg paste |
| 06:01.10 | Sazpaimon | boodi3, you didnt say that you had the option of resizing in the first place |
| 06:01.18 | _2 | i have main contrib (non-free only for the vidio driver) but if there is "backports" or anything like that i wan to know about them ? |
| 06:01.27 | td123 | nvm, I just used the "flash 10 packaged as a ubuntu deb" from adobe.com, works with a normal dpkg -i :D |
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| 06:01.51 | _2 | !sources |
| 06:01.51 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 06:03.06 | boodi3 | Sazpaimon: thisi the output of my 'cd /var/log && du -h --max-depth=1' at http://paste.debian.net/28528/ |
| 06:03.16 | td123 | ty all |
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| 06:03.50 | Sazpaimon | boodi3, check the root of /var/log then |
| 06:03.56 | Sazpaimon | ls -lS |head |
| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, judd doesn't know about squeeze yet... (or stew already fixed it) - it's a bit weird it doesn't find it in lenny, though |
| 06:04.02 | Sazpaimon | see what files are te largest |
| 06:04.20 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: is it there though? |
| 06:04.35 | enouf | there was all this controversy around in/out |
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| 06:04.46 | enouf | emails and bug reports and shit |
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| 06:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I don't see it either... weird |
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| 06:05.33 | enouf | or .. are you saying the stuff from Sid migrated down already? |
| 06:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it might have been kept out of lenny |
| 06:05.40 | boodi3 | Although I think that clearing space in /var could be simpler ... I didn't think of disabling the logs, just erasing some of the the existing ones and let the machine rewrite them from blank ... would it be possible? |
| 06:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:06.00 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm pretty sure it was kept out of Lenny |
| 06:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you gotta point there - didn't update a long time |
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| 06:06.04 | enouf | on purpose |
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| 06:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in lenny |
| 06:07.30 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 06:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | thou shalt remember how the factoids are called |
| 06:08.05 | stew | it was removed in lenny becuase it is updated too often. its will be in either lenny-backports or volatile instead |
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| 06:08.29 | vn | if there a problem, when dist-upgrading, if I keep my old config files? |
| 06:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:09.09 | vn | ok/bad practice? |
| 06:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I have flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound which is in stable, testing and unstable - at least so apt-cache madison tells me when I put all that in my sources.list |
| 06:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn, that depends on the config file(s) |
| 06:09.30 | Vasistha | vn: it is definitely a good idea to back up your system before upgrading |
| 06:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vasistha, they are auto-backuped afaik (dpkg renames them) |
| 06:10.18 | vn | still backups are important on servers |
| 06:10.18 | vn | :p |
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| 06:10.25 | _2 | what all would break all to peaces if i changed "ubuntu dapper" to "debian lenny" in my sources.list and upgraded ? say i stripped it to minimal first ? |
| 06:10.35 | boodi3 | can anybody advice me on how to clear space in /var? the upgrading of lenny filled it ... (it was 2,5G) ... surely there are logs that I can get rid of safely |
| 06:10.38 | vn | o.O |
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| 06:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn, if they're carefully handcrafted config files, you will want to keep them, if dpkg tells you you edited them although you never touched them (which happens), I'd take the new ones |
| 06:10.45 | vn | _2: I wouldn't even try... |
| 06:11.06 | _2 | vn i didn't say if you did, i said if i did ;/ |
| 06:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you can check the diff (although I'd find 2 different diffs more useful - your changes against the original old version and the new version against the version you have) |
| 06:11.32 | Vasistha | boodi3: myself, I would probably use FSView or similar to get an idea of what's using all that space |
| 06:11.32 | nsadmin | boodi3 did the upgrade complete? |
| 06:11.34 | enouf | find /var -name '*.gz' -exec echo {} \; <-- pastebin that boodi3 |
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| 06:12.05 | jpinx | enouf: trying to make that auto b0rked it :| |
| 06:12.28 | enouf | actually - sudo find /var -mtime -100 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
| 06:12.51 | enouf | jpinx: how so exactly - please join irc.debian.org and repeat |
| 06:13.05 | Vasistha | maybe -mmin -100 |
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| 06:13.25 | boodi3 | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/28529/ |
| 06:13.28 | Vasistha | enouf: although I'd honestly be more concerned about many many .deb files |
| 06:13.38 | boodi3 | nsadmin: no, it didn't |
| 06:13.45 | enouf | Vasistha: crap ! |
| 06:13.53 | enouf | boodi3: use /var/log .. my bad |
| 06:14.01 | enouf | boodi3: try again |
| 06:14.28 | enouf | heh .. oh wait |
| 06:14.30 | Vasistha | boodi3: you could also do an aptitude autoclean or some such |
| 06:14.30 | _2 | apt* audoclean maybe |
| 06:14.33 | nsadmin | is your /var mount lvm? |
| 06:14.56 | enouf | you have nothing there in /var/log/ |
| 06:15.00 | _2 | Vasistha heh. |
| 06:15.18 | boodi3 | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/28530/ |
| 06:15.22 | enouf | i guess apt-get autoclean if you really need the space - but you lose your actual .debs .. .:-) |
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| 06:15.28 | xmachine1024 | Hi, has anyone encountered this message when doing a rpcinfo -p <ip>? rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: rpcinfo: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection reset by peer |
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| 06:15.46 | Vasistha | probably, someone has sometime |
| 06:15.48 | _2 | enouf not the ones that are still supported by the sources |
| 06:15.52 | enouf | boodi3: are you using LVM? |
| 06:15.59 | boodi3 | enouf: LVM? |
| 06:16.04 | _2 | enouf autoclean != clean |
| 06:16.07 | boodi3 | I don't think so |
| 06:16.25 | enouf | _2: please take over ;-) |
| 06:17.04 | _2 | boodi3 if you have .deb files that are not part of the upgrade aptitude autoclean will remove them for you. |
| 06:17.07 | boodi3 | hmmm, could I wipe the .debs already installed and keep the pending ones only? |
| 06:17.25 | dondelelcaro | boodi3: there's no option that does just that, though you can approximate it |
| 06:17.28 | boodi3 | ok, I proceed |
| 06:18.20 | boodi3 | done - I don't think it freed any useful space |
| 06:18.35 | _2 | df -h |
| 06:19.48 | _2 | boodi3 do you have any free space some place else you could use for the .debs ? |
| 06:20.26 | boodi3 | http://paste.debian.net/28531/ |
| 06:20.43 | boodi3 | Yes, in /home ... |
| 06:20.47 | enouf | boodi3: pastebin output of; sudo find /var -mtime -100 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
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| 06:21.06 | enouf | that'll show all files over 1MB and 100days old or newer |
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| 06:22.17 | boodi3 | http://paste.debian.net/28532/ |
| 06:22.31 | _2 | boodi3 ok how about this for a work around. move /var/cache/apt/archives to /home and make a symlink from /home/archives to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 06:22.51 | _2 | that will give you loads of room to do what you want and you loose nothing. |
| 06:23.23 | _2 | when finished you can do an "aptitude clean" and undo the symlinks and move the dir back. |
| 06:23.36 | boodi3 | ok; can you pls assist? 1) move /var/cache/apt/archives to /home |
| 06:23.42 | _2 | s=symlinks=symlink= |
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| 06:24.04 | boodi3 | 2) what's the making symlinks command? |
| 06:24.17 | d-b | 'ln -s' |
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| 06:24.29 | rww | boodi3: ln -s target_of_symlink location_of_symlink |
| 06:24.34 | _2 | ln -s /home/archives /apt/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:24.48 | _2 | pfft |
| 06:24.57 | td123 | so much for stable debian, "valgrind: the 'impossible' happened:" This is a direct quote I just got :D |
| 06:24.57 | _2 | ln -s /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:25.06 | d-b | td123: where ? |
| 06:25.20 | td123 | d-b: debugging program |
| 06:25.33 | td123 | d-b: it literally says the impossible happened :D |
| 06:25.40 | boodi3 | so, should I 1st 'mv /var/cache/apt/archives /home' and then 'ln -s /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives', is that right? |
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| 06:25.57 | enouf | boodi3: i'd use cp -a |
| 06:26.14 | boodi3 | instead of mv? |
| 06:26.18 | enouf | so you ensure you always have a correct copy - then rm the original |
| 06:26.18 | _2 | enouf if he does rm -r after yes |
| 06:26.21 | enouf | yep |
| 06:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | boodi3, if this is during a fresh install, I wonder why you don't just start over... but this is probably no fresh install :) |
| 06:26.29 | td123 | here's the impossible text http://pastebin.com/m661e8b7f |
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| 06:26.44 | enouf | or .. use gparted and resize the sucker :-) |
| 06:26.53 | enouf | or parted or whatever |
| 06:26.55 | boodi3 | nay, upgrade from etch |
| 06:27.02 | td123 | I segfaulted valgrind :D |
| 06:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | td123, good job |
| 06:27.12 | _2 | i wouldn't advise that on a 100% used fs |
| 06:27.24 | _2 | it might be ok. but.... |
| 06:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | td123, now run valgrind on it to find out why :-P |
| 06:27.30 | an0key | Morning, very quick question, is there an equiv in debian to the RH yum groupinstall, specifically looking for something like development tools... ? |
| 06:27.38 | enouf | use rsync -a --progress even :-P |
| 06:27.41 | td123 | CutMeOwnThroat: that's deep :) |
| 06:27.56 | d-b | CutMeOwnThroat: mean. |
| 06:28.04 | dondelelcaro | an0key: depends on what you're developing; the most rudimentary essentials are in build-essential |
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| 06:28.24 | an0key | dondelelcaro: so just apt-get install? |
| 06:28.27 | enouf | an0key: go to grml.org/files and install all those pkgs |
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| 06:28.35 | enouf | oh .. |
| 06:28.38 | dondelelcaro | an0key: yes |
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| 06:28.52 | enouf | wait - a dd in da 'ouse ;-) takes precedence |
| 06:28.57 | dondelelcaro | an0key: but what exactly are you developing? |
| 06:28.59 | tomi | hi , how check version of debian? |
| 06:29.05 | dondelelcaro | !debian version |
| 06:29.05 | dpkg | To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>. |
| 06:29.18 | d-b | td123: odd i'm hitting a different problem atm. |
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| 06:29.33 | td123 | d-b: ? |
| 06:29.34 | dondelelcaro | (you can also run lsb_release -a) |
| 06:29.46 | Facedown2 | how can i kill something like a django dev server running on port 8000? |
| 06:29.47 | dondelelcaro | (though around release, it's wrong) |
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| 06:29.51 | Facedown2 | i dont have killall available |
| 06:29.56 | Facedown2 | fresh install of debian |
| 06:29.57 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: kill pid |
| 06:30.00 | enouf | here was my idea - http://grml.org/files/release-2008.11-small/dpkg_get_selections |
| 06:30.06 | Facedown2 | dondelelcaro - how do i find the pid |
| 06:30.09 | d-b | td123: its my kernel ^^ |
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| 06:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: ps axfu; or use pkill; or install psutils; |
| 06:30.20 | an0key | dondelelcaro: just need to compile a few things from source, so need make, gcc...etc |
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| 06:30.39 | d-b | td123: but you hit control c right ? |
| 06:30.40 | dondelelcaro | an0key: those are in build-essential, though in general, you shouldn't need to build much from source |
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| 06:30.45 | td123 | d-b: uhh, this stable version isn't looking stable :D |
| 06:30.47 | td123 | d-b: no |
| 06:30.57 | td123 | d-b: it did that by itself |
| 06:31.06 | an0key | dondelelcaro: thats a bit of an assumsion, but thanks anyway :) |
| 06:31.16 | d-b | td123: your program is overwriting itself ? |
| 06:31.19 | enouf | an0key: basically you want build-essential devscripts fakeroot libc6-dev |
| 06:31.38 | td123 | d-b: dunno wtf it's doing, I'm looking at the code and it looks really straightforward |
| 06:31.41 | dondelelcaro | an0key: well, almost everything you'd want to run is already build for you in Debian |
| 06:31.50 | d-b | td123: pastebin ? |
| 06:31.55 | enouf | indeed |
| 06:32.07 | dondelelcaro | an0key: there are a few exceptions, but often you should then be asking yourself whether you actually want to run it |
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| 06:32.34 | dondelelcaro | (since usually if it's not in Debian, it's either not free software or no one has cared enough about it to package it) |
| 06:32.36 | td123 | d-b: dunno, I'll try to figure it out, I've never received that "impossible" error in all the time I've been using valgrind :D |
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| 06:32.50 | nsadmin | thats not necessarily the case except where there is a suitable replacement that does what you want |
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| 06:32.59 | nsadmin | judd versions solfege |
| 06:33.00 | judd | nsadmin: solfege -- etch: 3.6.4-1 lenny: 3.10.3-1+b1 sid: 3.11.3-4 |
| 06:33.21 | tomi | cat /etc/debian_wersion -> 5.0 if i change, in sources.list leny to testing then i will be have squeeze? |
| 06:33.30 | nsadmin | thinks sid should hurry up and get 3.12.1 |
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| 06:33.48 | boodi3 | enouf: I copied the /var/cache/apt/archives into /home; should I now "rm -a" the original and then make the symlink or vice-versa? |
| 06:33.51 | an0key | dondelelcaro: no advice needed on source packags :) just on teh apt.. thanks though has done the job |
| 06:33.54 | dondelelcaro | tomi: yes, though base-files hasn't been updated yet |
| 06:34.04 | _2 | judd version bash |
| 06:34.05 | judd | _2: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 06:34.31 | _2 | ah s |
| 06:34.32 | enouf | boodi3: ask _2 that was his idea to do this moving and symlinking ;-) |
| 06:35.27 | boodi3 | _2: I copied the /var/cache/apt/archives into /home; should I now "rm -a" the original and then make the symlink or vice-versa? |
| 06:35.39 | jaggz- | dino immune systems! |
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| 06:36.13 | _2 | boodi3 yes [ -d /home/archives ] && ( rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives ; ln -s /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives ) |
| 06:36.16 | tomi | how to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
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| 06:36.51 | Facedown2 | dondelelcaro - jesus christ, i still cant find it in ps axfu |
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| 06:37.08 | Facedown2 | the exact command i ran was "python manage.py runserver" |
| 06:37.14 | Facedown2 | by the user 'facedown' |
| 06:37.22 | boodi3 | what does [ -d /home/archives ] stand for ? |
| 06:37.27 | Facedown2 | i have killed all processes in 'ps axfu' listed by user facedown |
| 06:37.31 | Facedown2 | with pkill -9 PID |
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| 06:37.37 | Facedown2 | and it's still running |
| 06:37.38 | enouf | Facedown2: pgrep django | wc -l ? |
| 06:37.38 | _2 | boodi3 it's a test command |
| 06:37.50 | Facedown2 | enouf: returns 0 |
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| 06:38.01 | jaggz- | I upgraded etch to lenny about 2 weeks ago.. there's nothing special I should do now is there? |
| 06:38.06 | enouf | Facedown2: well, it's not named django :-) |
| 06:38.13 | Vasistha | jaggz-: no, you're set. |
| 06:38.14 | nsadmin | boodi3: it says: "is there a dir called /home/archives" |
| 06:38.27 | Facedown2 | enouf is there an alternative to ps axfu |
| 06:38.33 | _2 | enouf i'm going to run out of time on this. he'll be asking you how to put it back probably. |
| 06:38.36 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: if you don't know what is running on port 8000, run netstat -plunt |
| 06:38.48 | enouf | Facedown2: i like pstree - but both are for listing only |
| 06:38.56 | Facedown2 | apache is |
| 06:39.03 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: so that's what you have to stop |
| 06:39.11 | Facedown2 | so the python seems to hook up directly with apache, argh |
| 06:39.17 | enouf | _2: i gotta go too ;-) |
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| 06:39.35 | _2 | then someone else will have to pick up the slack ;/ |
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| 06:40.08 | tarzeau | is neil moore in here? |
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| 06:40.54 | Facedown2 | dondelelcaro: PID/Program name -> 24393 so i did "pkill 24393" and "pkill -9 24393" .. apache lives |
| 06:40.59 | Facedown2 | i am root |
| 06:41.09 | nsadmin | hear me hit the floor |
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| 06:41.25 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: pkill kills by name, not by pid. start with /etc/init.d/apache stop; (or apache2) |
| 06:41.33 | _2 | boodi3 let me give you the command to "undo" what we did, for use after you finish the upgrade. >>>>>>>> aptitude clean ; rm -r /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives ;mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives <<<<< that should take care of you. |
| 06:41.51 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: if that doesn't succeed, then use kill 24393; then possibly followed by kill -9) |
| 06:41.54 | _2 | wait |
| 06:42.01 | _2 | boodi3 let me give you the command to "undo" what we did, for use after you finish the upgrade. >>>>>>>> aptitude clean ; rm -r /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives ;mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial <<<<< that should take care of you. |
| 06:42.02 | _2 | there. |
| 06:42.13 | dondelelcaro | mkdir -p is your friend |
| 06:42.28 | _2 | did i not -p that still |
| 06:42.31 | Facedown2 | dondelelcaro: i stopped apache, refreshed browser, confirmed that it stopped, restarted browser and process still runs at :8000 - godamnit |
| 06:42.35 | _2 | crap. i was aimed to |
| 06:42.45 | _2 | boodi3 let me give you the command to "undo" what we did, for use after you finish the upgrade. >>>>>>>> aptitude clean ; rm -r /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives ;mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial <<<<< that should take care of you. |
| 06:42.51 | Facedown2 | freakin' non-dying django dev server |
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| 06:42.57 | _2 | there. last try. |
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| 06:43.02 | _2 | i'm out. |
| 06:43.08 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: if apache is stopped, then rerun netstat -plunt; to see what is on port 8000. |
| 06:43.27 | boodi3 | _2: very very kind |
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| 06:43.37 | _2 | boodi3 welcome. good night. |
| 06:43.44 | Facedown2 | dondelelcaro: nothing on :8000 when i stop apache |
| 06:43.50 | Facedown2 | it seems like its in sync w/ apache |
| 06:43.53 | boodi3 | Ok, now should I run aptitude normally? |
| 06:44.06 | _2 | yes |
| 06:44.13 | nsadmin | first try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 06:44.24 | dondelelcaro | Facedown2: so then it isn't running on port 8000. So what's the problem? |
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| 06:46.07 | K`zan | Is there some package to add to deb5 that has provisions for safely removing media (like flash drives / usb enclosures)? |
| 06:46.22 | dondelelcaro | K`zan: if the filesystem isn't mounted, it's safe to remove |
| 06:46.55 | Mousey | says an AMEN! |
| 06:47.06 | K`zan | yes, but under ubuncrap the device was shown on the desktop and you right click and select safely remove. |
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| 06:47.19 | K`zan | No need to su to root and umount... |
| 06:47.22 | Vasistha | K`zan: yeah, that has the same meaning. |
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| 06:47.41 | Vasistha | K`zan: if you are using, e.g., KDE, it will have a media daemon that can do the same thing |
| 06:48.01 | Mousey | hell dbus/hal/udev/pmount does it automatically whether you like it or not |
| 06:48.06 | Mousey | ...assuming they're all installed |
| 06:48.08 | K`zan | running kde from the new deb5 install |
| 06:48.59 | Mousey | oh, make sure your user is in the plugdev group |
| 06:48.59 | K`zan | Thanks Sir, Checking! |
| 06:49.26 | tomi | i updated lenny to squeeze but /etc/debian_version show 5.0 |
| 06:49.44 | tomi | why? |
| 06:50.08 | K`zan | Hummm, I am in the plugdev group. |
| 06:50.22 | nsadmin | tomi: it doesn't know its name yet? |
| 06:50.31 | Mousey | apt-get install pmount udev dbus hal |
| 06:50.40 | Mousey | most of which are probably already installed |
| 06:50.47 | K`zan | rr, trying that now. |
| 06:50.53 | tomi | ok |
| 06:51.15 | K`zan | Mousey: All newest version... |
| 06:51.26 | enouf | K`zan: install eject, and eject /dev/name |
| 06:52.00 | enouf | your DE might just have certain forms of (un)mounted media Hidden |
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| 06:52.18 | enouf | so, go adjust that shit in kcontrol |
| 06:52.30 | Mousey | also your DE might not be configured to show drives on the desktop |
| 06:52.37 | enouf | right |
| 06:52.52 | K`zan | Checking now. Thanks |
| 06:53.19 | Mousey | kde does a wonderful job of making the options for what drives show up in what states hard to find, but they're in there |
| 06:53.46 | enouf | right - all the Useful config options are buried |
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| 06:53.54 | K`zan | :-) must be well hidden :) |
| 06:53.57 | enouf | and all the crap ones are right there |
| 06:54.06 | K`zan | Still looking through it |
| 06:54.14 | enouf | K`zan: fire up kcontrol from an xterm |
| 06:54.27 | Mousey | it's under destkop->behavior-> device icons or something like that |
| 06:54.28 | enouf | or kmenu > Control Center ort sopmeshit |
| 06:54.29 | nomingzi | where is the good Debian package mirror sites for Malaysia users ? |
| 06:54.31 | K`zan | as me or root? Me I would assume |
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| 06:54.37 | enouf | no need |
| 06:54.57 | enouf | you can always enter Admin mode in the kcontrol dialogs that need that |
| 06:55.09 | bdelin88 | how do i look at a log for the kernel, i get a "kernel has failed" error every time i start my system...? It is a fresh install with nothing but linux headers downloaded |
| 06:55.12 | simNIX | moguuh Dutchess |
| 06:55.22 | simNIX | (oops - wrong window - disregerd) |
| 06:55.35 | enouf | bdelin88: oh n03z .. heh |
| 06:55.36 | Mousey | uh |
| 06:56.08 | enouf | bdelin88: enable bootlogd for starters - rgrep -i failed /var/log |
| 06:56.21 | K`zan | Found it! Show device icons unchecked, fixed. Thanks VERY! much! |
| 06:56.28 | enouf | hehe |
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| 06:56.36 | bdelin88 | enouf: hey there :) |
| 06:57.02 | enouf | just workin' overtime mah homey ;-) |
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| 06:57.45 | K`zan | That did it! |
| 06:57.59 | bdelin88 | enouf: well i did that and i am posting all the nasty returns that i got |
| 06:58.06 | K`zan | ~ got copied over from the kubuntu install. |
| 06:58.19 | K`zan | Some differences :). |
| 06:58.21 | enouf | eww |
| 06:58.49 | K`zan | Did NOT like being forced to KrapDE4, which is NOT ready for prime time. |
| 06:58.57 | bdelin88 | enouf: basically it says that everything fails lol: http://paste.ubuntu.com/119118/ |
| 06:59.17 | enouf | bdelin88: cat /proc/version please ;-) |
| 06:59.20 | K`zan | Been with kde forever and perhaps 4 will get there in time, but I *use* kde :). |
| 06:59.54 | bdelin88 | k |
| 07:00.11 | K`zan | Anyhow, making excellent progress. Just need to figure out one last (heh) thing and that is what to set in the kernel config to deal with the GeForce8200 chipset. |
| 07:00.14 | bdelin88 | enouf: Linux version 2.6.26-1-686 (Debian 2.6.26-13) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 |
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| 07:00.28 | zaapiel | any how to's that show how to get from 5.0 to unstable? |
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| 07:00.59 | enouf | bdelin88: now, highlight all instances of the word 'kernel' in your pastebin |
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| 07:01.24 | enouf | bdelin88: now ignore all that start with /var/log/installer/... what's left? |
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| 07:02.45 | enouf | bdelin88: i see only line 221 .. is that the one you mean? |
| 07:02.45 | SasL | i need to download and install Debian in my Windows XP PC running in AMD 64 processor.I prefer netboot.hw to do that? |
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| 07:03.19 | bdelin88 | enouf: hold on i am putting everything that says "kernel" in it on a paste |
| 07:03.25 | enouf | bdelin88: er, are you part of the 'adm' group yet? id -a and look |
| 07:03.32 | enouf | bdelin88: no no no .. no need |
| 07:03.52 | enouf | bdelin88: did you run that rgrep command as root? |
| 07:03.57 | enouf | or sudo |
| 07:04.02 | bdelin88 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/119120/ all kernels |
| 07:04.06 | bdelin88 | and yes, as root |
| 07:04.16 | nanonyme | zaapiel: Are you sure you want unstable? Maybe you meant testing? :) |
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| 07:04.33 | enouf | bdelin88: i can see all kernels .. i was giving you an exercise to do - for yOU! |
| 07:04.39 | somebee | how can I view nohup.out (or any file for that matter) with live output |
| 07:04.39 | bdelin88 | enouf: lol ok sry |
| 07:04.53 | enouf | bdelin88: ok - i say it's line 221 - whatcha think? winner? |
| 07:05.04 | bdelin88 | enouf: well it says i have uid=1000 and gid=1000 groups=20, but i don't see anything regarding admin |
| 07:05.04 | zaapiel | well im on a virtual machine |
| 07:05.05 | enouf | bdelin88: from http://paste.ubuntu.com/119118/ |
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| 07:05.11 | zaapiel | so it doesnt matter if i mess it up |
| 07:05.17 | zaapiel | i think i found a guide |
| 07:05.39 | bdelin88 | enouf: so u think it's 221 from vbox? that's strange |
| 07:05.50 | enouf | bdelin88: gpasswd -a your-regular-user-name adm |
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| 07:06.07 | enouf | bdelin88: is that the message you're talking about? |
| 07:06.21 | jpablo | Hi there....How Can I install .bin in Debian? |
| 07:06.34 | bdelin88 | enouf: well it just added me to admin group now |
| 07:06.50 | enouf | bdelin88: Starting VirtualBox Additions...cannot modprobe vboxadd kernel module failed! <== is that what you meant? <bdelin88> how do i look at a log for the kernel, i get a "kernel has failed" error every time i start my system...? |
| 07:07.00 | bdelin88 | yea that's 221 |
| 07:07.01 | enouf | bdelin88: adm, not admin |
| 07:07.16 | bdelin88 | enouf: sry... adm i mean :) |
| 07:07.24 | enouf | kernel module failing to load is not kernel failed :-P |
| 07:07.52 | bdelin88 | enouf: ah ok :) so virtualbox broke it or where should i look from here? |
| 07:07.57 | SasL | anybody help me to install Debian using USB drive plz |
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| 07:08.38 | nanonyme | jpablo: .bin can mean dozens of different things. |
| 07:08.43 | enouf | bdelin88: i have no idea what you need concerning fixing vbox, but you might want to know about /etc/modules, and /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 07:09.07 | bdelin88 | enouf: k i guess i'll hit up google |
| 07:09.17 | enouf | !vbox |
| 07:09.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:09.20 | nanonyme | jpablo: Afaik .bin mostly comes of "binary". What are you exactly trying to do? |
| 07:09.24 | bdelin88 | enouf: it must not be that serious...i mean geeze the desktop looks fine |
| 07:09.27 | enouf | bdelin88: ^^ |
| 07:09.31 | bdelin88 | enouf: virtualbox, sry |
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| 07:09.37 | bdelin88 | !virtualbox |
| 07:09.37 | dpkg | methinks virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:09.46 | enouf | it's not serious |
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| 07:10.00 | enouf | bdelin88: you can do /msg dpkg vbox |
| 07:10.03 | enouf | :-) |
| 07:10.11 | simNIX | I have also had with debian lenny that I conpile custum vbox module and it works - after a update it errors here the same |
| 07:10.19 | jpablo | nanonyme: I try install gvSig |
| 07:10.34 | jpablo | nanonyme: And The file is a bin |
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| 07:11.03 | enouf | simNIX: yours sounds more like mismatched versions and/or headers or something |
| 07:11.10 | nanonyme | As I said, .bin is a generic file ending. But if it actually is an executable, you could always do sh ./foo.bin |
| 07:11.33 | enouf | simNIX: just like an nvidia kernel blob would need to be recompiled with every kernel upgrade |
| 07:12.04 | enouf | jpablo: maybe it's meant for WINE only? no idea |
| 07:12.15 | enouf | run file on it ;-) |
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| 07:12.16 | simNIX | enouf, could be - Ill give virtualbox another go soon and see if this problem persists - I switched to vmware for the time being |
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| 07:12.36 | nanonyme | enouf: Good point. |
| 07:13.03 | jpablo | I tried with "sh name_of_program.bin" |
| 07:13.21 | jpablo | and said me "Unpacking... |
| 07:13.22 | jpablo | Launching instalation program...." |
| 07:15.40 | nanonyme | jpablo: Sounds right. |
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| 07:16.11 | jpablo | nanonyme: But I cant see the program |
| 07:16.27 | nanonyme | Nothing else after that in the terminal? |
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| 07:17.59 | enouf | run 'file' on it |
| 07:18.41 | nanonyme | enouf: It wouldn't have said those messages unless it was a Linux binary, likely ELF. |
| 07:18.49 | nanonyme | At least partially. |
| 07:19.02 | SasL | hello no one intersted to help me? Plz help me to install Debian in my AMD 64 environment |
| 07:19.06 | nanonyme | Maybe partially a shell script. |
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| 07:19.59 | mchelen | SasL, download the amd64 or ia64 install cd |
| 07:19.59 | enouf | judd: versions gvsig |
| 07:19.59 | judd | enouf: gvsig -- |
| 07:20.17 | enouf | mchelen: no |
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| 07:20.30 | enouf | SasL: use i386 or amd64 |
| 07:20.48 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 07:20.48 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 07:21.12 | mchelen | ahh ok |
| 07:21.16 | nanonyme | They do also say though that IA64 is a better CPU architecture than AMD64. :) |
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| 07:21.36 | simNIX | Intel pays them to say so ;0) |
| 07:21.41 | nanonyme | (As in, it handles multithreading better) |
| 07:21.51 | nsadmin | nanonyme: the key question being, do you have an ia64 cpu |
| 07:22.03 | nanonyme | nsadmin: Of course not, those are damn expensive. |
| 07:22.22 | jpablo | nanonyme: Is impossible to see the program |
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| 07:23.04 | nanonyme | jpablo: I don't even know what the program should do. |
| 07:23.13 | enouf | run 'file' on it |
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| 07:23.42 | nanonyme | jpablo: Also technically I think you already saw the program. |
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| 07:27.16 | Vasistha | strangest thing... I've been sending email with kmail but it seems to be just disappearing. It says it's sent, but it never arrives! |
| 07:27.30 | enouf | Vasistha: sounds like my printer |
| 07:27.54 | enouf | Vasistha: it says "Printed Successfully!" but nothing ever gets printed :-) |
| 07:27.56 | stew | enouf: your printer doesn't send email? |
| 07:28.00 | Vasistha | enouf: wish I could share some of my printer luck with you, I somehow got that thing hooked up fast |
| 07:28.26 | enouf | heh |
| 07:28.41 | nanonyme | Vasistha: Using a remote or a local mail server? |
| 07:29.00 | Vasistha | man, I really wanted to finish tonight ... I've been struggling to get Dad's computer set up here for far too long |
| 07:29.04 | nanonyme | (As in, yours or a real one) |
| 07:29.15 | Vasistha | nanonyme: remote |
| 07:29.20 | nanonyme | Odd. |
| 07:29.23 | Vasistha | well, I think! |
| 07:30.03 | Vasistha | nanonyme: the really funky thing is that I previously had the "save password" box checked, and I've unchecked it, but it hasn't been asking me for any password |
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| 07:31.05 | enouf | Vasistha: same session? you're going to be surprised once you view ps/pstree output :-P |
| 07:31.22 | Vasistha | hum |
| 07:31.36 | enouf | or even top/htop in tree view :-) |
| 07:32.05 | Skered | What's going on during a 5.0 install when "Select and install software" stops at 25% 809 of 809 files. I don't hear the HD or CD spinning, nothing new in cnt-alt-f4, no network activity, and no new processes checked with ps -ax |
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| 07:33.04 | akkark | Skered: lunhctime |
| 07:33.51 | Skered | Is it verifying all the packages? |
| 07:33.52 | Vasistha | enouf: I am not surprised yet, am I doing something wrong? :) |
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| 07:34.57 | enouf | Vasistha: no idea ;-) just figured you'd have kwallermanager and many many kio_http things running and shit - but you never answered my orig question about the session |
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| 07:35.21 | enouf | pstree -lunap |
| 07:35.40 | Vasistha | enouf: I even resorted to ending my kde session and restarting. |
| 07:36.10 | enouf | well .. kmail has as many options as kcontrol, so who knows |
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| 07:36.52 | enouf | Vasistha: oh, you might have that Restore Previous Session thing ticked |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | your KsysCokeHead will know more :-P |
| 07:37.42 | enouf | knows he's not being actually helpful at this point .. |
| 07:37.57 | Vasistha | enouf: I sure do, but all the same: http://paste.debian.net/28535/ |
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| 07:38.09 | gimpuzmani | hello |
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| 07:38.40 | Vasistha | if you actually instruct kmail to "quit" I think it actually does it |
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| 07:40.57 | enouf | kmail isn't even listed |
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| 07:41.59 | enouf | and my point about many things appearing in pstree was if you did NOT restart your session , but you have even rebooted - so you're not showing anything even remotely useful - since kmail isn't even listed in your paste |
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| 07:42.24 | enouf | you might as well use my system output to tshoot |
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| 07:46.45 | Posterdati | lenny's come out finally |
| 07:46.48 | Posterdati | good |
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| 07:48.13 | mordain | hi can someone remind me wat the tool is to find your best debian source ? |
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| 07:48.45 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:49.11 | Posterdati | ciao zingaro |
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| 07:49.55 | mordain | guess not |
| 07:50.11 | gypsymauro | I've installed lenny on a aus P5kpl-vm/s motherboard but I've problem with xorg it goes to a 1280 x 800 (??) resolution, the video card is a Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller, any hint? |
| 07:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordain, apt-spy? |
| 07:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 07:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and patience's a virtue |
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| 07:51.57 | Mousey | catch it if you can |
| 07:51.58 | mordain | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.02 | Mousey | seldom found in women |
| 07:52.05 | Mousey | and never found in man! |
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| 07:52.30 | Vasistha | ping |
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| 07:52.54 | Vasistha | ping |
| 07:52.58 | Vasistha | !ping |
| 07:52.58 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:54.15 | Posterdati | hi |
| 07:54.33 | jaggz | I don't recall having a problem with the non-free Dell broadcom NIC drivers before. |
| 07:54.36 | Posterdati | please how can I force apt or dpkg to reinstall configuration files for a specific package? thanks |
| 07:54.51 | enouf | !confmiss |
| 07:54.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 07:54.54 | jaggz | I'm installing Lenny on a server but it wants me to copy them from some media... |
| 07:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | gypsymauro, doesn't sound like a problem :) |
| 07:55.47 | Posterdati | thanks |
| 07:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, so you got a cdrom in your sources.list? |
| 07:56.08 | Posterdati | enouf: confmiss! |
| 07:56.18 | Posterdati | enouf: my machine boots well |
| 07:56.28 | Posterdati | enouf: I removed old kernels from it |
| 07:56.32 | enouf | \o/ |
| 07:56.54 | jaggz | no.. guess the drivers were included in the other systems.. or maybe I used a dvd |
| 07:57.06 | jaggz | I can probably use this usb stick |
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| 07:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf are you talking about? |
| 07:58.02 | Vasistha | enouf: I had thought you were suspicious that I had not completely shut the thing down, and thus that there were remnants of some sort that were preventing it from rereading the settings -- and that it would surprise me that stuff was still running when it wasn't. anyway... here's another http://paste.debian.net/28536/ |
| 07:58.19 | enouf | gypsymauro: pastebin output of xrandr and tell us what you want it to do if not 1280x800 |
| 07:58.39 | Posterdati | enouf: confmiss not working |
| 07:58.40 | nanonyme | CutMeOwnThroat: Discworld reference? |
| 07:58.50 | jaggz | I'm thinking that I installed Debian from DVDs before, and perhaps at the time the broadcom drivers were included (are non-free ever included? Maybe there were compatible ones in etch which were free) |
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| 07:59.13 | gypsymauro | http://pastebin.com/m3e571b55 and I want a 1280 x 1024 |
| 07:59.15 | enouf | Posterdati: which pkg? |
| 07:59.20 | Posterdati | enouf: nut |
| 07:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nanonyme, yes... and/or trying to scare off little kids :-P |
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| 07:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nanonyme, saussage inna bun? Fresh! only dusted it off last week! |
| 07:59.54 | nanonyme | :D |
| 07:59.57 | Posterdati | enouf: done! |
| 08:00.04 | Posterdati | enouf: removed with --purge |
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| 08:00.25 | Posterdati | enouf: and reinstalled as apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install nut nut-snmp nut-xml |
| 08:00.31 | jaggz | can I use a USB stick during netinst? |
| 08:00.56 | gypsymauro | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi it says that that card works.. but the resolution is a mess |
| 08:01.00 | enouf | welp, you forgot --reinstall |
| 08:01.03 | enouf | but ok |
| 08:01.33 | Posterdati | enouf: no I did with reinstall stuff, but didn't work, so I removed with purge and installed ex-novo |
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| 08:02.12 | gypsymauro | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m3e571b55 and I want a 1280 x 1024 |
| 08:02.13 | enouf | gypsymauro: dpkg -l libgl1-* |
| 08:02.18 | aoeu | after upgrading to lenny, locate stopped working. i had to reinstall it and do updatedb for it to come back. this happen for anyone else? |
| 08:02.30 | jaggz | looks like it mounts automatically at /media. |
| 08:02.30 | aoeu | i mean install it, not reinstall (it got removed) |
| 08:02.30 | Posterdati | enouf: my god! /etc/nut is empty... |
| 08:02.49 | enouf | gypsymauro: also - pastebin your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:02.51 | nanonyme | Oog? |
| 08:02.54 | mu | hey, just to be sure... I have an encrypted partition created by other Linux, I dont need to bring anything special to debian right? |
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| 08:03.09 | Posterdati | enouf: lol |
| 08:03.33 | jaggz | Okay, so I don't get the option for the "bnx2...fw file is not found" .. I just get the NIC listing and when I select "other" it says "no kernel drivers were found", and when I select to continue without kernel drivers, it looks again for the NIC and can't find it.. but I can't get back to a place where I can specify the .fw file |
| 08:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, would you mind giving out any useful information... like what command gives you what error... 00oo... ha, too late :) |
| 08:04.04 | Skered | What's the 3D desktop? Compiz? |
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| 08:04.06 | enouf | aoeu: stuff like that happens sometimes |
| 08:04.09 | mostaza | just want to be sure that I wont be having a hard time to install that partition |
| 08:04.15 | Skered | Beryl? which is current? |
| 08:04.28 | enouf | none? |
| 08:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Skered, compiz |
| 08:04.38 | enouf | !compz |
| 08:04.41 | enouf | !compiz |
| 08:04.42 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:04.59 | jaggz | I thought I was really specific :) The menu option to find the network card, during netinst, doesn't find it (expected), but I can't get to a place where I can specify the non-free .fw file which I now have on a USB stick mounted at /media/ |
| 08:05.17 | gypsymauro | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m68dd2e0a |
| 08:05.42 | enouf | jaggz: copy the fw file(s) into /lib/firmware |
| 08:06.23 | enouf | jaggz: or move the .deb somewhere onto your system and run dpkg -i filename.deb on it |
| 08:07.27 | jaggz | thanks :) |
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| 08:07.46 | jaggz | I should have known, but I was thrown off by them mentioning the .fw extension. |
| 08:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, hm, that's in firmware-bnx2 in non-free |
| 08:08.05 | stew | i thought the lenny installer prompted for a usb key with firmware now? |
| 08:08.07 | jaggz | the file I actually downloaded was .deb |
| 08:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, that's what he said... |
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| 08:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | before saying anything that would provide a clue to what it means, actually :) |
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| 08:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he said "external medium" or somesuch |
| 08:09.20 | jaggz | how do I get to dpkg? |
| 08:09.29 | jaggz | it's not in the dirs in the PATH |
| 08:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | alt-F2 or so |
| 08:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 08:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you don't have find either? :) |
| 08:09.58 | jaggz | I do have find :) |
| 08:10.00 | mostaza | Hi, I have an encrypted partition with made by other Linux, anything I have to know before installing Debian instead? |
| 08:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are :) |
| 08:10.04 | enouf | gypsymauro: wow - everything looks ok there |
| 08:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | find / -type f -name dpkg |
| 08:10.18 | enouf | gypsymauro: are you using a 5:4 monitor? :-P |
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| 08:10.47 | gypsymauro | enouf: nope :) I'm uing a 17" monitor :P |
| 08:11.12 | enouf | gypsymauro: well .. i have a 17" 5:4 LCD ... |
| 08:11.17 | gypsymauro | enouf: what means : Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 1280 in xrandr? |
| 08:11.30 | gypsymauro | uhm |
| 08:11.44 | enouf | gypsymauro: but you won't get 1280x1024 without a 5:4 .. why would you? |
| 08:12.22 | enouf | gypsymauro: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1339845 |
| 08:12.31 | jaggz | I found a udpkg |
| 08:12.40 | enouf | it means, it's capable of 1280x1280 .. that's all |
| 08:12.53 | gypsymauro | enouf: yes but I can't set it |
| 08:12.55 | jaggz | (not using your find command.. but | grep dpkg | more) |
| 08:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, that's something else afaik... /msg dpkg udpkg |
| 08:13.05 | enouf | well, then set it |
| 08:13.18 | jaggz | okay, back to lookin for dpkg :) |
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| 08:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, wrong factoid name |
| 08:13.27 | jaggz | (dpkg doesn't know about it) |
| 08:13.29 | enouf | oh .. you said you "can't" |
| 08:13.29 | jaggz | nod.. :) |
| 08:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, yes... I read about it, but the factoid was called differently |
| 08:14.11 | enouf | gypsymauro: listen, you shouldn't need mode lines in your xorg.conf, but have at it - what's output of cvt -v 1280 1024 |
| 08:14.12 | jaggz | heh.. dpkg isn't on the system :) I see its .deb though :) |
| 08:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, I take it back - there is no such factoid... whatever I read about must have been something else |
| 08:14.20 | nanonyme | Hmm, a 1:1 display sounds pretty wicked. |
| 08:14.44 | jaggz | down with square pixels! |
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| 08:14.55 | jaggz | hmm.. |
| 08:14.59 | enouf | nanonyme: 5:4 is close enough :-p |
| 08:15.00 | jaggz | "up and down" with square pixels! |
| 08:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, ah, there I read about it - http://packages.debian.org/etch/udpkg |
| 08:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, guess that's what you gotta use |
| 08:15.32 | enouf | udpkg is for udebs |
| 08:15.35 | gypsymauro | enouf: # 1280x1024 59.89 Hz (CVT 1.31M4) hsync: 63.67 kHz; pclk: 109.00 MHz |
| 08:15.35 | gypsymauro | Modeline "1280x1024_60.00" 109.00 1280 1368 1496 1712 1024 1027 1034 1063 -hsync +vsync |
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| 08:16.12 | enouf | gypsymauro: there ya go - now, go to wiki.x.org and see man xorg.conf and man intel |
| 08:16.16 | jaggz | that's what I thought it was.. I installed the bnx2 .deb with udpkg -i but network install still doesn't detect a nic and won't configure the network.. trying to find a page on it (someone else must be using lenny on a dell) |
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| 08:17.04 | gypsymauro | enouf: doh! |
| 08:17.06 | gypsymauro | :) |
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| 08:17.19 | nanonyme | Eh, what's udpkg? |
| 08:17.42 | nsadmin | it's for udebs, which are used to package the installer |
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| 08:18.04 | nsadmin | udebs do not have to adhere to the same standards as normal debs do |
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| 08:18.19 | nanonyme | Ah, right. |
| 08:18.21 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 08:18.23 | Panarchy | Does anyone know where I can upload my Linux distribution (for free)? Currently just over 800MB, in the future might be up-to a DVD's worth. Any suggestions? |
| 08:18.35 | enouf | and they are very customized and slimmed down |
| 08:18.56 | nsadmin | it uses busybox alot |
| 08:19.15 | coniptor | I'm trying to make a kernel package with make-kpkg and normally configure with make menuconfig. out of the blue it's asking me about LBD or Large Block Devices. Can anyone tell me where to find this option in the menuconfig system? |
| 08:19.22 | nanonyme | Panarchy: If it's just images, could always poke around by Universities that are hosting other distros and ask if they are feeling generous. |
| 08:19.36 | enouf | Panarchy: try sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net perhaps - dunno |
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| 08:19.52 | nsadmin | coniptor: so you want a newer kernel |
| 08:19.52 | coniptor | enouf: btw the issue appears to be I was running a 32bit kernel with 2.6.26 and needed a 64bit kernel but the 2.6.18 ran fine as 32bit. still not sure exactly why. |
| 08:19.57 | enouf | coniptor: yes |
| 08:20.07 | nanonyme | enouf: Do they take that big files? |
| 08:20.34 | jaggz | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/unix-sysadmin/heads-up-no-bnx2-support-in-upcoming-debian-kernels-27830 |
| 08:20.36 | nsadmin | why do you need a 64bit kernel? |
| 08:20.41 | enouf | coniptor: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/block/Kconfig#L26 |
| 08:20.51 | coniptor | nsadmin: kinda, I want to run my own custom 2.6.26 with grsecurity compiled in and out of the blue make-kpkg stops me when running make oldconfig with a prompt for LBD. |
| 08:20.52 | jaggz | but I still can't get it to work.. I installed the firmware-bnx2.deb .. but so what? :) |
| 08:20.53 | coniptor | enouf: ty =) |
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| 08:21.16 | enouf | nanonyme: english only please :-P |
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| 08:21.36 | nsadmin | coniptor: do you have 2.6.26 kernel installed? |
| 08:21.46 | enouf | coniptor: i don't recall your exact issue - doing mucho OT work - many many issues |
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| 08:22.18 | enouf | oh .. right grsecurity kid |
| 08:22.38 | jaggz | lsmod shows the bnx2 module -- apparently it loads .fw itself.. so how do I remove the bnx2 module? |
| 08:22.39 | enouf | coniptor: what do you mean stops you? |
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| 08:22.45 | jaggz | ie. perhaps I have to reload it |
| 08:22.46 | nanonyme | enouf: As in 'oog'? I thought I said it long ago. |
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| 08:22.54 | jaggz | there's no rmmod.. just modprobe and lsmod |
| 08:23.11 | enouf | coniptor: make oldconfig is SUPPOSED to ask you many questions - see hte kernel README! |
| 08:23.13 | coniptor | nsadmin: I'm curently running the 2.6.26 bpo kernel but I'm trying to compile my own 2.6.26 from clean sources from ftp.us.kernel.org with my own patches. has worked before but I believe enouf has provided me the answer. |
| 08:23.25 | nanonyme | jaggz: /sbin/rmmod |
| 08:23.30 | enouf | nanonyme: ok, i'm ignoring you now |
| 08:23.40 | nanonyme | jaggz: It's probably not in your path. |
| 08:23.50 | nanonyme | enouf: Sounds childish to me. *shrug* |
| 08:24.03 | nsadmin | ok, you can start with the config file in /boot for 2.6.26 |
| 08:24.06 | enouf | nanonyme: because i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 08:24.24 | nanonyme | Oh. :D |
| 08:24.44 | coniptor | enouf: I normally run this alias debkernbuild which is: |
| 08:24.44 | coniptor | 'make-kpkg clean;make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.`date +%m%d%Y` --revision=1.0 buildpackage' |
| 08:24.47 | Panarchy | I have created a Linux distribution. It's currently just over 800MB, in the future might be up-to a 4.7GB worth. Any suggestions on where I can upload my distribution, for FREE? |
| 08:24.58 | nsadmin | but be forewarned, the debian one has many patches applied... so, it could be that config file would not work properly |
| 08:25.24 | jaggz | nanonyme: no, it's in my path. but there's no rmmod here. this is netinst of lenny |
| 08:25.32 | coniptor | enouf: normally it takes my config from my saved .config which I created with make menuconfig. I HATE oldconfig/ confg long and obnoxious/ have not used it in years/prefer menuconfig |
| 08:25.33 | nanonyme | enouf: I was just wondering if indeed sourceforge and freshmeat would take that big CD/DVD images. |
| 08:25.40 | nanonyme | jaggz: modprobe -r? |
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| 08:26.10 | Panarchy | knock knock |
| 08:26.10 | nsadmin | once people become interested in your dist, maybe there will be hosting opportunities then |
| 08:26.11 | jaggz | got it, mod.. yeah.. you got it too.. thanks. |
| 08:26.22 | enouf | nanonyme: oh .. i don't know offhand - but i know they host tons of projects |
| 08:26.40 | coniptor | enouf: normally my alias tears through the config and deposits my .deb's in /usr/src without oldconfig stopping me midway through. I believe the issue is I need to disable 64bit and go back to 32bit config t re-enabe this LBD option in menuconfig. disable it and renabled 64bit. just a hunch |
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| 08:26.50 | enouf | nanonyme: you'd think there must be some limit |
| 08:26.58 | jaggz | that's it :) it works now |
| 08:27.22 | coniptor | s/tears/rips |
| 08:28.01 | nsadmin | coniptor: already gave you a way to deal with that |
| 08:28.02 | coniptor | disable LBD and re-enabe 64bit. late tired |
| 08:28.06 | jaggz | so for [dell] systems with the Broadcom nic's requiring the bnx2 module and firmware (.fw): One must udpkg -i the firmware-bnx2*.deb file from a removable medium (I used a usb stick), then modprobe -r bnx2; modprobe bnx2; |
| 08:28.08 | enouf | coniptor: you can tell make oldconfig to accept all the not-yet-seen defaults |
| 08:28.19 | coniptor | enouf: ok |
| 08:28.32 | coniptor | nsadmin: will check |
| 08:28.33 | jaggz | because apparently bnx2 tries to load the firmware file when it loads up, and you have to re-load the module for it to try again |
| 08:29.00 | enouf | coniptor: but you need to run it when upgrading custom kernels like that, so the .config gets updated and make menuconfig shows all the options |
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| 08:29.02 | jaggz | I presume it's possible to udpkg -i the .deb before the bnx2 driver is loaded |
| 08:29.14 | nsadmin | that is... if you try to use a .config from a previous version, make oldconfig might stop in the middle |
| 08:29.36 | nsadmin | perhaps what you want it to do is make modules out of all the new things it can |
| 08:30.04 | enouf | why not just grab debian sources? |
| 08:30.11 | enouf | customize that |
| 08:30.14 | nsadmin | yeah, what's up with that |
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| 08:30.33 | enouf | might be a .29-ricer? |
| 08:30.34 | nsadmin | that will avoid the patch problem I mentioned earlier |
| 08:31.35 | nsadmin | how do you get the .config from the source to build debian kernels? |
| 08:31.58 | enouf | nsadmin: you grab one from a linux-image-version |
| 08:31.59 | nsadmin | how do the buildds get it |
| 08:32.42 | enouf | they have their own magic, afaik (sicko python scripts and such) |
| 08:32.44 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:33.06 | nsadmin | spam spam spam spam |
| 08:33.14 | enouf | nomnomnomnom |
| 08:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you guys ok in here? |
| 08:34.22 | enouf | nsadmin: seen the zeitgesit:addendum yet ? |
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| 08:34.32 | nsadmin | no, what's that? |
| 08:34.34 | enouf | nsadmin: er seen the zeitgeist:addendum yet ? |
| 08:35.02 | enouf | nsadmin: it'd be considered spam in here - but it;s googleable ;-) |
| 08:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | some stupid conspiray theory... well, probably a 4th/5th one |
| 08:35.07 | enouf | and it |
| 08:35.09 | nsadmin | my flash audio isn't workign right since I'm trying to jackify my setup |
| 08:35.20 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you right wing whacko! |
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| 08:35.43 | nsadmin | wingo wacker? |
| 08:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 08:35.49 | enouf | nsadmin: i grab mp4s and if needed convert them to mpeg2 |
| 08:36.05 | enouf | no, Wimbaugh Cracker |
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| 08:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | right wing... Das Herz schlägt links! |
| 08:36.28 | MmikeNekud | How do I check if I have newer package versions than those in repositories? |
| 08:36.35 | enouf | want it as an Xvid torrent? :-P |
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| 08:37.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: Fractional Reserve Banking is not a conspiracy theory you nut |
| 08:37.23 | nsadmin | ok... maybe I can get help for this... so I'm trying to get jack to be my backbone for all audio... with alsa equiv of /dev/dsp goign thru alsa to its own pair of jack channels |
| 08:37.53 | YAA1 | SAMBA 3.3.X for DEBIAN ETCH ??? Hi! Someone in here knows where to find and how to install SAMBA 3.3.x under DEBIAN Etch ?? I was not able to compile/install from tar-ball. so I seek for a ETCH working deb now... someone here can point me the direction ? thanks! |
| 08:37.59 | nsadmin | jack meanwhile would be able to send to the alsa outs and I'd have everything workign |
| 08:38.12 | nsadmin | any way of accomplishing the former? |
| 08:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, right right... breathe, breathe... |
| 08:38.25 | enouf | MmikeNekud: apt-get update ; apt-cache policy pkgname might help .. |
| 08:38.54 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: it's ok, you've cut you're own throat .. so bleed my little sheep .. bleed ;-) |
| 08:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... how come you're only funny when you're not trying to :( |
| 08:39.42 | enouf | MmikeNekud: then there are systems like apt-show-versions , {r}madison , and packages.debian.orf |
| 08:39.44 | enouf | org |
| 08:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | waits for the ignore |
| 08:39.59 | enouf | heh |
| 08:40.49 | Vasistha | enouf: I got it figured out, it was weirdo kmail settings ... needed to associate the identities with their transports. |
| 08:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... but guesses we're not through the insults yet... but he's patient |
| 08:41.00 | MmikeNekud | enouf, thnx :) I think that somehow I ended with some packages from testing in my stable installation :) |
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| 08:43.16 | nsadmin | MmikeNekud how might that have happened? |
| 08:43.44 | enouf | heh |
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| 08:44.06 | enouf | Vasistha: vunderbar! |
| 08:44.39 | MmikeNekud | nsadmin, for some reason maybe 10 days ago i changed 'stable' for 'testing' in my sources.list (it's an home network storage PC, several PCI-IDE cards inside)... I had some troubles with the oldstable kernel, and (then) testing kernel solved the issue... |
| 08:44.48 | enouf | can someone please shoot lincoln .. again .. ugh .. that's all i've been seeing all friggin month .. lincoln this, lincoln that |
| 08:44.49 | MmikeNekud | And just today I realized that debian 5.0 is out |
| 08:45.00 | MmikeNekud | So I don't want testing, I want stable |
| 08:45.15 | Vasistha | enouf: well we could talk about darwin instead |
| 08:45.16 | MmikeNekud | enouf, wasn't lincoln shot like ages ago? :) |
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| 08:45.39 | xoz | !shoot lincoln |
| 08:45.39 | dpkg | blows lincoln away with a double-barreled shotgun |
| 08:45.47 | nanonyme | MmikeNekud: Just type Lenny instead of testing in your sources list. |
| 08:45.50 | enouf | haha |
| 08:46.01 | nanonyme | Then it will stick with Lenny until you change it to something else. |
| 08:46.05 | Vasistha | enouf: thanks for your enthusiasm. I think I'd better get to bed, have a good one |
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| 08:46.13 | enouf | it sucks with only 1 tv channel :-P |
| 08:46.19 | enouf | c-span :-P |
| 08:46.20 | MmikeNekud | nanonyme, I know.... but it's a bit late for that :) |
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| 08:47.02 | nanonyme | MmikeNekud: Besides, the stable version's kernel is already badly out of date. Testing might get a decently new one. Also with luck it might get a decently new X.org stack. |
| 08:47.22 | enouf | MmikeNekud: that's one of the first semi-legitimate excuses i ever heard |
| 08:47.40 | enouf | nanonyme: what? |
| 08:48.17 | MmikeNekud | nanonyme, I'll build my own kernel if it shows that's necessary... it's just a samba fileserver with bunch of disks and mdraid on top of them.... |
| 08:48.19 | YAA1 | HOW TO INSTALL SAMBA 3.3.0 ON DEBIAN ETCH ??? Is there a reliable repository somewhere? someone got a nice HOWTO ? I didn't found anything that works for me yet. |
| 08:48.22 | MmikeNekud | enouf, which one? :) |
| 08:48.37 | nanonyme | enouf: Lenny has kernel 2.6.26 and X.org 7.3. |
| 08:48.51 | enouf | nanonyme: erm ... i think i know this ... and? |
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| 08:49.18 | nanonyme | enouf: And Squeeze might with luck get newer ones at some point. :o |
| 08:49.38 | nanonyme | That was my whole point, nothing else. |
| 08:49.40 | enouf | how is a highly revised and bug-ridden and security patched .26-x out-of-date? |
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| 08:49.50 | nanonyme | enouf: I can't use it. :P |
| 08:49.51 | enouf | er bug-removed |
| 08:50.02 | nanonyme | I need at least .28 for my partitions. |
| 08:50.11 | enouf | oh it will, and so will sid |
| 08:50.22 | enouf | no, you don't NEED ext4 |
| 08:50.34 | enouf | !need |
| 08:50.34 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 08:50.44 | rvsjoen | heh |
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| 08:51.10 | nanonyme | enouf: Sure I do need it if I already have every other partition than boot done using it. |
| 08:51.22 | xoz | YAA1: why do you want 3.3 instead of 3.2? |
| 08:51.23 | enouf | nanonyme: bad planning |
| 08:51.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:51.29 | nanonyme | enouf: Not really. |
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| 08:51.35 | enouf | yes really ;-) |
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| 08:51.52 | nanonyme | enouf: Well, bad planning in the sense that Btrfs is coming, not really otherwise. |
| 08:52.00 | YAA1 | WTF?! |
| 08:52.13 | enouf | BUTTER! |
| 08:52.27 | enouf | !wtfbbq |
| 08:52.27 | dpkg | somebody said bbq was http://www.mpcfaculty.net/ron_rinehart/grilfire.jpg |
| 08:52.46 | nanonyme | enouf: Indeed, I think it's pronounced butter fs. ^^ |
| 08:52.47 | enouf | starts drinking heavily ,.,.again |
| 08:52.54 | enouf | for the 2nd time today |
| 08:53.09 | YAA1 | xoz: samba 3.3 because this "should" contain a fix for a problem ldap user-lockout problem that seems all the earlier versions available as deb packages does not contain |
| 08:53.11 | nanonyme | enouf: You don't drink heavily enough. |
| 08:53.25 | kamathln | enouf: apt-get --re-install install beer |
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| 08:53.40 | enouf | nanonyme: i have 3 midgets holding me from falling off my chair as we speak |
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| 08:54.31 | enouf | s/midget/dwarves/elves/ => little people |
| 08:54.43 | xoz | YAA1: it is now experimental |
| 08:54.45 | nanonyme | enouf: You know you drank heavily enough when you wake up after a day or two at a neighbour and wonder why you're naked. |
| 08:55.12 | enouf | nanonyme: oh crap - i just noticed, i'm in my neighbors living room |
| 08:55.24 | YAA1 | xoz: I know . but how to install samba 3.3.x on etch without bring all the debian installation up to experimental ?? |
| 08:55.51 | kamathln | enouf: mv /home/neighbour/enouf /home/enouf |
| 08:55.52 | enouf | you don't |
| 08:56.02 | themill | YAA1: is samba 3.2 good enough for you? |
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| 08:56.11 | xoz | YAA1: compile it. or do the packaging yourself. |
| 08:56.30 | kamathln | enouf: # chmod a-r /home/neighbour |
| 08:56.30 | enouf | cp -a /home/neighbour /home/enouf/playpen |
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| 08:57.04 | YAA1 | xoz, im no coder.. compiling/installing by tar-bal failed. |
| 08:57.44 | YAA1 | themill: no it isn't. it still contains a bug that is fixed in 3.3.0 (as the docs sais) |
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| 08:58.06 | ABLomas | well |
| 08:58.14 | ABLomas | which one? ;-) |
| 08:59.08 | enouf | YAA1: ofcourse some bug was fixed, but what? otherwise, what would the reason for a new release (don't answer that - i already typed too much to not send it) |
| 08:59.19 | xoz | YAA1: install auto-apt |
| 08:59.40 | xoz | YAA1: and try ./configure && make install |
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| 09:00.02 | enouf | try ./configure --help you mean :0 |
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| 09:00.19 | enouf | who knows where that thing will go :-P |
| 09:00.23 | enouf | and with which options |
| 09:00.47 | enouf | or .. learn about /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:00.57 | enouf | and use your noodle |
| 09:01.18 | enouf | s/noodle/noggin/rocks |
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| 09:02.02 | nanonyme | enouf: Imo ./configure --help|less is easier to remember since it has that helpless in it. |
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| 09:02.25 | enouf | cute |
| 09:02.30 | ABLomas | hehe |
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| 09:03.00 | YAA1 | enouf: in samba 3.3 that "user lockout" feature in combination with LDAP is supposed to WORK, while it realy doesn't work with 3.0-3.2 yet for whatever reason. |
| 09:03.27 | enouf | ok, fair enouf - but .. why not upgrade to Lenny? |
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| 09:03.42 | omry|work | something strange: added "root: omry@external-email.com" to the aliases file, yet root emails are forwarded to omry on the local machine. any idea? |
| 09:03.51 | xoz | lenny is still 3.2 |
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| 09:04.04 | enouf | YAA1: and .. i see now you did mention the issue earlier |
| 09:04.20 | enouf | xoz: and? |
| 09:04.27 | xoz | he needs 3.3 |
| 09:04.35 | enouf | judd: versions samba |
| 09:04.36 | judd | enouf: samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4 sid: 2:3.3.0-2 |
| 09:04.44 | enouf | sid has 3.3 |
| 09:04.52 | enouf | make a /msg dpkg ssb 1 |
| 09:04.57 | enouf | s/1/! |
| 09:05.29 | enouf | although - i'd double check with pdo, in case judd is still not up-to-date |
| 09:05.46 | YAA1 | enouf / xoz : and btw.. I need samba to be 3.3.x BUT my whole debian installation must not be upgraded to "sid". |
| 09:06.06 | enouf | YAA1: no no ... it won't |
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| 09:06.32 | omry|work | ah, figured it out. need to call newaliases |
| 09:06.57 | enouf | not if you add sid line but a "deb-src" one only - and follow instructs - but IMHO, you should upgrade to Lenny/Stable prior |
| 09:07.26 | enouf | YAA1: you know Lenny was released a couple of days ago, right? |
| 09:07.32 | enouf | !lenny |
| 09:07.32 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>. |
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| 09:08.12 | YAA1 | enouf: yep. I testet it under lenny already.. still failing that feature |
| 09:08.32 | enouf | er judd already showed us that ;-) |
| 09:08.54 | enouf | YAA1: i could've swore you said etch |
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| 09:09.07 | enouf | YAA1: i could've swore you said /you were using/ etch |
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| 09:09.29 | YAA1 | enouf: yes too ;) I run etch.. my main system where it should work is ETCH . but for testing, I tested also lenny! with versions FAIL |
| 09:09.29 | enouf | oh yeah - you did <YAA1> HOW TO INSTALL SAMBA 3.3.0 ON DEBIAN ETCH ??? |
| 09:09.31 | alcohol | good mornin' my fellow geeks! |
| 09:09.32 | enouf | haha |
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| 09:09.48 | enouf | YAA1: so test a ssb on lenny |
| 09:10.06 | YAA1 | enouf: ssb ?! |
| 09:10.12 | enouf | ... |
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| 09:10.24 | enouf | feels around for a shoe to throw at YAA1 |
| 09:10.45 | xoz | sid backport |
| 09:10.54 | enouf | +simple ;-) |
| 09:10.57 | xoz | simple sid backport to be complete |
| 09:10.57 | YAA1 | ssb == single side band ;9 |
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| 09:12.03 | enouf | you're starting to remind me of a vss |
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| 09:12.14 | enouf | yep, vaudville side show |
| 09:12.14 | YAA1 | ?!? what is this good for, as long the main target is to get it to work under debian etch ?? |
| 09:12.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <<< is using SID and waiting for Gnome 2.24 and KDE 4.2 |
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| 09:12.47 | YAA1 | im lost |
| 09:12.53 | enouf | YAA1: try your luck with backporting to etch then .. just don't do it on the production machine |
| 09:13.27 | ShishKabab | Hi. How can I make OpenOffice look better under Sid? Most of the toolbar items dissapear until I hover over them.... |
| 09:13.29 | enouf | but Lenny should be much much easier to backport to - it was JUST TESTING 2 DAYS AGO~! |
| 09:13.47 | enouf | YAA1: see, sometimes it's ok to YELL! |
| 09:14.14 | YAA1 | "backporting" ?!?! " I " ?!?! Im no coder.. how could I "backport" something without those skills ?! that's why im looking for some repository or a HOWTO Manual I can follow for "dummies" like me |
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| 09:14.24 | themill | dpkg: tell YAA1 about ssb |
| 09:14.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enouf i didnt try installing for the DVD yet as I don't have it. And might need to give lenny to some of my friends. Tell me onething. Is the 1st DVD enough for a typical Desktop USE? |
| 09:14.45 | enouf | i already mentioned /msg dpkg ssb atleast 2x |
| 09:14.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | etch missed some packages , like VLC for its 1st DVD.. |
| 09:14.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and one has to download the complete set |
| 09:14.51 | xoz | YAA1: just tested compiling the tarball in lenny. it works. |
| 09:14.55 | themill | enouf: I know... didn't seem to work |
| 09:15.01 | enouf | aye ;-) |
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| 09:15.06 | nsadmin | YAA1: so you want to run debian? at this point I have to ask why, if only for the purpose of getting you to start thinking about the question |
| 09:15.25 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i can't say - /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 09:15.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | alright |
| 09:15.35 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it goes by /msg dpkg popcon |
| 09:15.43 | nsadmin | you seem to whine and yell a lot when you dont' get what you want immediately |
| 09:15.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | asking cause. they are newbies. and cant really try the package manager initially |
| 09:15.52 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: note; there are specific kde, xfce4, CDs |
| 09:16.04 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: default is GNOME iinm |
| 09:16.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes i know. just want to know whats int he 1st DVD and if its suitable for complete desktop oriented purposes. |
| 09:16.48 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: nothing in the world is easier than using apt-get or aptitude or synaptic once networking and sources.list is setup |
| 09:16.53 | YAA1 | enouf: oh! that " /msg dpkg ssb" thingy was for me!! there been no lable on it |
| 09:16.59 | enouf | erm + to install software |
| 09:17.20 | enouf | YAA1: aye - it's ok - we were talking about you though :-) |
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| 09:17.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enouf, not for peopl who still got to know whats a "repository" and who just migrated from the WINDOWS WORLD |
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| 09:17.34 | xoz | of course, bash_completion+aptitude |
| 09:17.47 | enouf | YAA1: and i must say - your ALL CAPS nick makes me ... er .. not want to use it :-P |
| 09:17.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | giving them the complete DVD is the best option, so that they can reinstall packages from the DVD in case they format their pc |
| 09:17.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | for me, i just do a net install |
| 09:18.07 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: my general opinion is that their path is (1) their business and (2) their problem |
| 09:18.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | as i always use a testing and unstable hybrit |
| 09:18.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *hybrid |
| 09:18.44 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the DVD will quickly have dated versions .. oh wait - well .. not stable - BUT, will have Security issues with those versions |
| 09:18.46 | enouf | eventually |
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| 09:19.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol. i am fine with "not stable" |
| 09:19.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no issues ever |
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| 09:19.34 | enouf | but sure- DVD1 should get them a tasksel standard+desktop of gnome and X |
| 09:19.35 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: but that would be a very large download that "someone" pays the bandwidth for |
| 09:19.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have an unlimited plan |
| 09:19.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | so its fine nsadmin |
| 09:20.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | just the speed is slow |
| 09:20.01 | enouf | no ,,, he means the mirrors that host the thing! |
| 09:20.02 | spx2 | what does it mean when nmap tells me |
| 09:20.05 | spx2 | 22/tcp filtered ssh |
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| 09:20.24 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that's fine for you... |
| 09:20.38 | enouf | ssh 22/tcp # SSH Remote Login Protocol |
| 09:20.56 | nsadmin | if it weren't unlimited, maybe you'd think more about the cost others incur |
| 09:21.13 | enouf | nsadmin: alright already ... |
| 09:21.18 | xoz | spx2: nmap cnnot know if it is open or close. due to firewall |
| 09:21.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes, but here 90% of the plans are unlimited in the cost of speed |
| 09:21.20 | enouf | yaa1: Nice Shot! ;-) |
| 09:21.33 | enouf | heh |
| 09:21.38 | enouf | !nickometer YAA1 |
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| 09:21.40 | dpkg | 'YAA1' is 44.000% lame, enouf |
| 09:21.46 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: keep thinking... you're not close to it yet :) |
| 09:21.48 | enouf | eww.. not good enough |
| 09:21.50 | spx2 | xoz: so what options do I have to make a ssh connection with that machine ? |
| 09:22.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i pay approx 20 $ for a 384k connection .... |
| 09:22.35 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: stop thinking so egocentrically for one moment :-) |
| 09:22.39 | xoz | spx2: -sS |
| 09:22.47 | nsadmin | just a few more... sh4d3sl4y3r_: you're still thinking of -your- cost |
| 09:22.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <<< goes into hibernation |
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| 09:23.17 | nsadmin | just as an example... |
| 09:23.20 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: give them a torrent - they must know how to use those! their wintendo weenies, rigjht>? |
| 09:23.37 | nsadmin | you download a dvd image that's 4.7g |
| 09:23.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol ya |
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| 09:24.02 | nsadmin | if you have an unlimited plan, you don't pay any more or any less that month |
| 09:24.04 | nsadmin | however |
| 09:24.08 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: make them seed ... etc |
| 09:24.18 | nsadmin | think about the guy who runs the mirror |
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| 09:24.42 | nsadmin | he's got a commercial plan and his provider might stick it to him |
| 09:24.54 | yaa1973 | enouf: ahh! that you meaned by "backporting".. nice robot thingy your dpkg is! |
| 09:25.02 | enouf | also - it costs much more to maintain a high-speed UP than a DOWN |
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| 09:25.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i always wonder what kinda bandwidth do they use |
| 09:25.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 09:25.19 | yaa1973 | enouf: will try now.. reporting in later. |
| 09:25.21 | enouf | yaa1973: yes - we're quite fond of her ;-) |
| 09:25.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | to tackle so many users |
| 09:25.44 | nsadmin | so the same act of you downloading the 4.7g is the act of him uploading the same thing at the same time... and while you don't pay extra, he does |
| 09:25.52 | nsadmin | he might say: |
| 09:25.54 | simonrvn | uncapped b/w ... |
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| 09:26.04 | nsadmin | "no problem, I want people to have debian" |
| 09:26.17 | enouf | maybe judd and dpkg will get together one day and make a jpkg O_o |
| 09:26.20 | nsadmin | but remember that he's trying to help |
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| 09:26.33 | enouf | someone qotd that! |
| 09:26.38 | simonrvn | enouf: eew, have java children, no thanks :P |
| 09:26.48 | nanonyme | enouf: Heresy! |
| 09:26.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao @ have java |
| 09:26.52 | themill | enouf: see javahelper package... |
| 09:26.53 | enouf | simonrvn: i KNEW there would be that J connotation |
| 09:26.57 | enouf | !blame stew |
| 09:26.57 | dpkg | blames TwistOfFate and stew for the end of the Internet as we know it |
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| 09:27.23 | enouf | themill: i'd rather not :-P thanks |
| 09:27.30 | simonrvn | enouf: udd is a sucky name, whereas judd actually exists ;) |
| 09:27.38 | enouf | heh |
| 09:27.48 | enouf | udd is not far from udder :-) |
| 09:27.57 | enouf | udderpkg! |
| 09:27.59 | simonrvn | dat udder one |
| 09:28.03 | enouf | !win me |
| 09:28.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 09:28.29 | enouf | yo .. yo cuz .. did you get that udderpkg? |
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| 09:28.34 | simonrvn | enouf: themill: what are you doing up at this time of day? :P |
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| 09:28.51 | enouf | no idea - snortin' whiskey |
| 09:28.53 | nsadmin | sh4d3sl4y3r_: things you can do to help... use torrent, use jigdo, instead of downloading an image and saying to the guy next door to you "download it", give him a copy of yours, etc |
| 09:29.07 | themill | simonrvn: what?! I've been at work for an hour now. |
| 09:29.09 | nsadmin | use netinst |
| 09:29.12 | enouf | haha |
| 09:29.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i use torrent myself when it comes to downloading ISO.. |
| 09:29.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but as 5 dvds will days weeks for me to download. i just keep the 1st DVD |
| 09:29.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *take |
| 09:29.54 | SunnyDP | same here |
| 09:30.00 | SunnyDP | DVD1 is more than enough |
| 09:30.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | downloading @ 40kbps, you know how long it takes |
| 09:30.14 | SunnyDP | dunno what DVD 2 through 5 are for ? :S |
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| 09:30.22 | simonrvn | gets businesscard or netinst |
| 09:30.33 | SunnyDP | sh4d3sl4y3r: why dont you go to any school and downalod ? |
| 09:30.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | DVD 2+ are there for people who has no internet and wants to try debian |
| 09:30.44 | xoz | dvds are overkill to install debian... assuming you have decent network bandwidth |
| 09:30.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause here schools are more pathetic |
| 09:30.51 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: so, you're not even getting my 30$ month deal of 15/2mbit .. and yet .. i'm the concerned one here about others' bandwidth and cost |
| 09:30.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 3rd world country |
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| 09:30.56 | linlin | !ati |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 09:30.59 | SunnyDP | damn! |
| 09:31.01 | nsadmin | netinst gets you there faster, assuming you have supported network hardware |
| 09:31.05 | linlin | !radeon |
| 09:31.05 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
| 09:31.11 | SunnyDP | most universities around here have 30mbits+ |
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| 09:31.22 | SunnyDP | today i downloaded DVD1 in 10 minutes? |
| 09:31.24 | SunnyDP | maybe less |
| 09:31.36 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: actually - send them to http://goodbye-windows.com and do us all a flavor |
| 09:31.37 | SunnyDP | 9000 kB/s :D |
| 09:31.49 | xoz | sh4d3sl4y3r_: OZ is 3rd world? |
| 09:31.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am frm IN |
| 09:31.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | not OZ |
| 09:32.01 | nsadmin | that would be 90mbits/sec |
| 09:32.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol @ flavor |
| 09:32.28 | SunnyDP | i always do the mistake sorry, |
| 09:32.37 | enouf | the Indian Ocean? what? |
| 09:32.42 | SunnyDP | when we are speaking about speed rates , it should be always in bits/s |
| 09:32.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | << from India |
| 09:32.51 | enouf | you backwoods hillbilly! |
| 09:32.57 | enouf | oh |
| 09:32.57 | SunnyDP | and file size in bytes |
| 09:32.58 | xoz | sh4d3sl4y3r_: your IP is from OZ. |
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| 09:33.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ? |
| 09:33.09 | enouf | i thought you meant Indiana :-P |
| 09:33.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but i am from India |
| 09:33.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no |
| 09:33.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Kolkata, India (Asia) |
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| 09:33.37 | enouf | you know .. in USA we use 2 CAPS to denote each State .. right? |
| 09:33.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | have no idea |
| 09:33.55 | nsadmin | busts 2 caps |
| 09:34.09 | enouf | and Yes, some parts of Indiana are a 3rd world country unto themselves |
| 09:34.11 | themill | xoz: you fail at whois |
| 09:34.20 | xoz | result of geoiplookup |
| 09:34.46 | themill | xoz: they're always made of fail |
| 09:35.03 | xoz | ah, whois is correct. geoiplookup is wrong |
| 09:35.06 | enouf | multiple fail, on all levels :-P |
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| 09:35.58 | xoz | india is 3rd world with nuclear arms... very scary :) |
| 09:36.18 | enouf | ok .. let's see here - wipe a disk - set it up with no partitions, install grub .. hrm .. 1st; let me see how i should disconnect this 2nd keyboard so as not to make the DE gods mad at me |
| 09:36.26 | linlin | whats the easiest way to get TV output working through svideo on an ATI radeon 9200 |
| 09:36.39 | enouf | linlin: maybe gatos? |
| 09:36.43 | enouf | !gatos |
| 09:36.44 | dpkg | well, gatos is told ansong about gatos ([gatos] tv tuner software for ati tv tuners in unix at http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/, or http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/SUSE71toPBG3/), or spanish for cats... lots of cats |
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| 09:37.03 | rdz | hi all. i upgraded to lenny and all IDE disk still appear as /dev/hdxX ? shouldn't they be named /dev/sdxX now? |
| 09:37.17 | linlin | thanks enouf its not a TV tuner though, simply want video output to a tv |
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| 09:37.22 | enouf | linlin: though i would first ask also in #radeon |
| 09:37.28 | xoz | linlin: /msg dpkg tvout nvidia |
| 09:37.33 | enouf | ewww |
| 09:37.43 | enouf | rdz: no |
| 09:37.50 | enouf | mine are hdX still |
| 09:37.56 | rdz | enouf, ah ok.. |
| 09:37.59 | rdz | enouf, thanks |
| 09:37.59 | enouf | older hardware :-) |
| 09:38.14 | enouf | rdz: cat /proc/ide/drivers |
| 09:38.20 | linlin | xoz: similar instructions available for ATI hardware? |
| 09:38.30 | rdz | e |
| 09:38.32 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.45 | rdz | enouf, ide-disk version 1.18 |
| 09:38.54 | enouf | linlin: i'm not sure if #v4l is applicable ... hrm |
| 09:38.58 | enouf | rdz: bingo |
| 09:39.05 | rdz | enouf, ok thanks.. |
| 09:39.11 | xoz | linlin: maybe |
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| 09:40.05 | simonrvn | ide-gd version 1.18 # is one of them ; WTF is a -gd ? |
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| 09:40.21 | telmich | hello |
| 09:40.29 | enouf | rdz: if you have many - and they get renamed all the time from hdX1 to hdY1 and hdZ1, you can use UUIDs or LABELs for the partitions in /etc/fstab and root={UUID,LABEL}={321321654,NAME} in grub |
| 09:40.31 | telmich | are any gpm-package-maintainers in here? |
| 09:40.39 | pythonic | when will squeeze release? |
| 09:41.00 | enouf | simonrvn: macintosh :-P |
| 09:41.05 | simonrvn | pythonic: ... |
| 09:41.09 | telmich | I'm wondering, whether you'll update to 1.20.6 soon in some tree or not |
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| 09:41.35 | rdz | enouf, thanks for the hint. that is what i already do now, though they don't get renamed all the time |
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| 09:41.43 | simonrvn | lenny just released 3 days ago and you're asking about squeeze? go away. |
| 09:41.44 | pythonic | why is squeeze taking so long? |
| 09:41.56 | enouf | simonrvn: heck, even kernel source never heard of that - good gawd man! |
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| 09:42.06 | simonrvn | /ig -replies pythonic |
| 09:42.11 | enouf | rdz: attaboy ;-) |
| 09:42.15 | enouf | oh |
| 09:42.28 | pythonic | simonrvn: fail |
| 09:42.37 | simonrvn | built his own |
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| 09:42.55 | enouf | pythonic: it's in the mirrors, what's the issue? |
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| 09:43.12 | enouf | pythonic: you might be in for a bumpy ride over the next few weeks |
| 09:43.18 | alcohol | what is squeeze? |
| 09:43.25 | enouf | deal with it = or shaddup |
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| 09:43.43 | enouf | alcohol: it's what we all desire to have happen to us |
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| 09:43.53 | alcohol | where do you people get these names? =[ |
| 09:44.05 | enouf | alcohol: the Milk Duds carton |
| 09:44.11 | SunnyDP | LOL |
| 09:44.16 | alcohol | Dude, I would have totally gone with buttercup. |
| 09:44.21 | alcohol | Just cause. |
| 09:44.25 | alcohol | Buttercup would rock. |
| 09:44.32 | biz | is there a way to search for packages containing manpages in section 2? |
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| 09:44.49 | themill | biz: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 09:45.37 | biz | oh, by path.. thanks. (I hoped for some tag) |
| 09:45.47 | nsadmin | alcohol: lenny was testing... squeeze is testing now |
| 09:45.50 | enouf | alcohol: /msg dpkg tsc_codenames |
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| 09:46.02 | simonrvn | of course :). /usr/share/man/man2/ * :P |
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| 09:46.34 | nsadmin | biz: maybe apt-file |
| 09:46.51 | simonrvn | do i hear an echo? |
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| 09:47.13 | ham5 | it seems no one process can use 100% of my cpu |
| 09:47.15 | nsadmin | echo? |
| 09:47.15 | enouf | biz: actuially, do you know about man -k, man -f, and apropos ? |
| 09:47.48 | ham5 | I man man all the time |
| 09:47.54 | enouf | biz: and .. man 2 [tab][tab] should work a treat ;-) |
| 09:48.03 | enouf | tries it |
| 09:48.07 | nsadmin | ham5: and what about man do you man about? |
| 09:48.17 | enouf | w00ho00 |
| 09:48.17 | gunkamanti | what i learned today: never use 'ifdown' when maintaining a machine via ssh 8P |
| 09:48.18 | enouf | $ man 2 |
| 09:48.19 | enouf | Display all 400 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 09:48.19 | biz | uhm, works only for already installed manpages? |
| 09:48.35 | enouf | biz: wtf? |
| 09:48.43 | enouf | biz: you want manpages-dev ? |
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| 09:49.06 | nsadmin | section 2 is the libc bindings right? |
| 09:49.20 | biz | it's system calls |
| 09:49.25 | enouf | there are no other pkgs, man pkg specific - each one gets installed with the relevant pkgs |
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| 09:49.43 | enouf | and also /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> usually |
| 09:49.54 | enouf | i know wtf it is! |
| 09:49.59 | biz | ok, thanks for all the info |
| 09:50.03 | enouf | do you have any man 9 pages? |
| 09:50.09 | enouf | i do :-) |
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| 09:50.23 | nsadmin | what;s 9, games? |
| 09:50.33 | enouf | it's from certain linux-doc-version doc pkgs |
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| 09:50.37 | enouf | or something |
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| 09:51.23 | enouf | ewww.. no tab-completion on 9 though .. hrm |
| 09:51.31 | rdz | enouf, remember, that reboot failed on my machine yesterday? it turned out, that filesystem check failed on an external drive, that is attached to usb. when the machine is booted, i can perform a file system check manually, but when it does it automatically _while_ booting, fsck.ext3 fails with exit status 8. |
| 09:51.37 | biz | btw., will there ever be an apt-get build-dep/source equivalent for aptitude? |
| 09:51.55 | enouf | $ ls -l /usr/share/man/man9 | wc -l |
| 09:51.56 | enouf | 2039 |
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| 09:51.59 | enouf | whoa |
| 09:52.05 | rdz | enouf, i don't know what i can do now so that my machine will reboot without physical access |
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| 09:52.23 | rdz | the olny i can think of is to remove it from fstab before rebooting |
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| 09:53.09 | simonrvn | 9 is kernel stuff IIRC |
| 09:53.16 | enouf | rdz: you have a remote server that you did some upgrading and LiLo magic to, which has a FRIGGIN USB DRIVE connected to it!@ |
| 09:53.19 | enouf | ? |
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| 09:53.53 | enouf | are you kidding me? oh ffs |
| 09:53.55 | rdz | enouf, good quesiton, though i haven't read anywhere, that this is not allowed |
| 09:54.05 | biz | simonrvn: just open 'man man', the sections are listed there |
| 09:54.11 | rdz | enouf, i need the additional harddisk space |
| 09:54.19 | simonrvn | duh, of course |
| 09:54.21 | enouf | rdz: have you been into the "Server Room" ? the one you need "the Key" for? |
| 09:54.30 | rdz | enouf, yeah.. i have been there |
| 09:54.41 | enouf | and you didn't fix all that while there? |
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| 09:54.52 | rdz | enouf, why are you quoting those words? |
| 09:55.06 | enouf | rdz: because, it's sillyness |
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| 09:55.23 | rdz | enouf, what should i have done in your opiniion? |
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| 09:55.44 | rdz | enouf, i would have fixed it if i would have known how to fix it |
| 09:55.51 | enouf | rdz: Server Rooms don't have USB attached drives - atleast not as system needed drives, maybe as checkup ones or for stats |
| 09:56.12 | yaa1973 | enouf: I did " apt-get build-dep samba " and it returned : E: Build-Depends dependency for samba cannot be satisfied because the package libtalloc-dev cannot be found --- so following commands fail also of course. any hint for me how to solve this ? |
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| 09:56.27 | enouf | rdz: go back to the Server Room - rip out any and all USB devices |
| 09:56.28 | enouf | done |
| 09:56.33 | rdz | enouf, the usb drive is for backups, not for regular service |
| 09:56.33 | boodi3 | Hi - stupid me - I was running aptitude, and I stopped it by mistake ... now it says there's a lock. How do I remove it to restart? |
| 09:56.53 | enouf | rdz: you don't need USB drives for backup |
| 09:57.08 | rdz | enouf, is that the proposed solution to that problem? you are saying, that debian is not able to boot, while a usb drive is attached? is that what you are saying' |
| 09:57.20 | boodi3 | I'm sorry to bother - still upgrading the etch |
| 09:57.29 | enouf | yaa1973: do a ssb on the liballoc-dev pkg prior |
| 09:57.30 | biz | rdz: just exclude it from automatic fsck on boot? |
| 09:57.35 | liable | enouf: dont you sleep? |
| 09:57.48 | rdz | biz, thanks.. but how can i do that? that is my actual question |
| 09:58.00 | enouf | yaa1973: you might find yourself doing that MUCH .. that's why i suggested Upgrade to Lenny! |
| 09:58.13 | enouf | liable: not in my state |
| 09:58.40 | liable | enouf: heh, i wont ask for details on that ;) |
| 09:58.48 | yaa1973 | enouf: you mean I should try a " apt-get build-dep liballoc-dev " first ? |
| 09:58.52 | yaa1973 | enouf: I c |
| 09:58.53 | rdz | enouf, for some funny frickin' reason it worked in etch.. so why should i expect it to not work anymore in lenny? |
| 09:58.56 | biz | rdz: sixth field in fstab should be zero |
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| 09:59.02 | enouf | yaa1973: wait .. it can't be found ... perhaps it's been merged or renamed |
| 09:59.02 | rdz | biz, many thanks |
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| 09:59.19 | enouf | yaa1973: i will not hold your hand - sorry |
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| 09:59.25 | enouf | through this |
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| 09:59.31 | cromag | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.35 | cromag | oh well.. |
| 09:59.38 | enouf | !42 |
| 09:59.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 09:59.42 | enouf | hike! |
| 09:59.44 | yaa1973 | enouf: I must go AFK now.. will check msgs later. |
| 09:59.49 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:00.20 | enouf | rdz: "it" is synonymous with "thing" to me ;-) |
| 10:01.03 | enouf | rdz: if it needs a fsck, then 6th field should not matter |
| 10:01.21 | enouf | rdz: if it doesn't then check also with /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:01.44 | enouf | rdz: but - i would fix it! and do it upon rebooting - IF it's / FS that's the issue |
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| 10:02.45 | rdz | enouf, sorry, i didn't fully understand your last sentence... you mean, if it is the root filesystem? |
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| 10:03.19 | enouf | rdz: yes |
| 10:03.20 | gutterpunk | Hi. Can anyone tell me how to change the SSH version info from "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2" to just "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1" ? |
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| 10:03.43 | rdz | enouf, it's not the root file system |
| 10:03.58 | simonrvn | ask ubuntu |
| 10:04.08 | simonrvn | #ubuntu even |
| 10:04.22 | enouf | rdz: then .. what is the 6th field set to? 0 or 2? |
| 10:04.31 | enouf | in /etc/fstab |
| 10:04.33 | rdz | enouf, 2 |
| 10:04.36 | enouf | and what FStype |
| 10:04.38 | enouf | ? |
| 10:04.42 | rdz | enouf, ext3 |
| 10:04.50 | Sucksbuntu | ask to me ! |
| 10:04.51 | Sucksbuntu | xD |
| 10:04.56 | enouf | then it's not an issue for the system to come up |
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| 10:05.10 | simonrvn | Sucksbuntu: what? |
| 10:05.15 | Sucksbuntu | nvm |
| 10:05.28 | gutterpunk | simonrvn, that channel is cluttered with people talking about gpu's and other nonsense. Let me rephrase: How can I change it from "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch3" to "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2"? |
| 10:05.30 | enouf | the disk is either a) dying or dead, or b) the usb bus is flaking out |
| 10:05.45 | rdz | enouf, but fsck.ext3 fails with exit status 8 and the a root shell is started |
| 10:05.48 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 10:05.57 | rdz | and booting is stopped at this point |
| 10:06.05 | simonrvn | ask someone who cares |
| 10:06.08 | petemc | gutterpunk: theres an option to change the banner in sshd_config |
| 10:06.18 | rdz | enouf, could it be, that it is checking too early? |
| 10:06.20 | enouf | rdz: then, something is not what you think it is - show me your / FS line from /etc/fstab |
| 10:06.23 | gutterpunk | petemc, the banner does not change the version string |
| 10:06.35 | kamathln | debian devs around here ? please consider adding "dpkg --reconfigure locales" as a menu item in gnome's main menu->system->administration |
| 10:06.45 | rdz | enouf, UUID=622a3f40-9781-45ae-a3bc-6c3f60d8778f / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 10:06.59 | simonrvn | kamathln: wrong command |
| 10:07.04 | enouf | rdz: ok -- that's ok ... |
| 10:07.08 | kamathln | simonrvn: ?? |
| 10:07.15 | gutterpunk | it's just the message that is shown when someone logs in successfully. In order to be PCI compliant, the version string needs to be changes, but google doesnt seem to know the answer to this one |
| 10:07.33 | kamathln | simonrvn: oh yeah! |
| 10:07.34 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure or dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:07.35 | dpkg | simonrvn: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 10:07.43 | simonrvn | dpkg: no thanks |
| 10:07.43 | dpkg | simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:07.47 | rdz | enouf, the mentioned UUID points to /dev/hda1 |
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| 10:07.48 | enouf | rdz: now .. but - remember your UUID testing? are you sure that's not 'in the way'? Have you googled error status 8 from fsck? |
| 10:08.00 | kamathln | simonrvn: thx for pointing .. simonrvn dpkg-reconfigure is correct. right ? |
| 10:08.15 | simonrvn | < simonrvn> dpkg --configure or dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:08.27 | rdz | enouf, it says something about that the superblock has not the size of the superblock.. i don't recall the exact error message of fsck.ext3 |
| 10:08.31 | kamathln | simonrvn: oh ok |
| 10:08.33 | biz | gutterpunk: afaik there is no config option to do that. It's set when it's built, so get the source, change it and rebuild the package |
| 10:08.34 | enouf | rdz: why not go back to /dev/hda1 for now - remember grub menu.lst too |
| 10:08.46 | kamathln | simonrvn: you a Debian dev ? |
| 10:08.55 | simonrvn | kamathln: they do completely different things |
| 10:09.00 | simonrvn | no |
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| 10:09.04 | enouf | rdz: that's a / FS error - unless, your USB drive is part of an LVM |
| 10:09.04 | scientes | how do i avoid access denied when clicking the eject key on the cdrom drive? |
| 10:09.05 | gutterpunk | biz, too bad. I was afraid that might be the only thing left to try. Thanks! |
| 10:09.13 | kamathln | simonrvn: who is the best person to contact this about? debian package manager for gnome? |
| 10:09.25 | kamathln | s/manager/maintainer |
| 10:09.26 | enouf | rdz: it's actually a FS or mdadm error |
| 10:09.58 | enouf | rdz: mdadm can have various types of superblocks |
| 10:10.02 | simonrvn | kamathln: why do you want this? also, have you considered doing this yourself? all you need is a .desktop file |
| 10:10.41 | rdz | enouf, it's a drive, that was formatted using gparted. there is no lvm or something else |
| 10:10.48 | enouf | rdz: listen - where did you get the UUID from ? |
| 10:10.58 | enouf | rdz: when? |
| 10:11.02 | kamathln | simonrvn: where annd how ? the thing is the locales needed to get regenerated, for some reason. But then, i got this gyan from someone else. So not sure. Please correct me |
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| 10:11.20 | rdz | enouf, which UUID? the one from root filesytem or the one of the drive that fails? |
| 10:11.50 | simonrvn | kamathln: and why can't you just do this on the command line? you don't need to do this very often.... |
| 10:11.50 | mquin | 21 |
| 10:12.07 | jaggz | how do I check my network during netinst? |
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| 10:12.21 | enouf | rdz: actually / .. but i see it's a genuine /dev/disk/by-uuid and not an mdadm uuid |
| 10:12.25 | petemc | jaggz: wget |
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| 10:12.31 | rdz | enouf, i did find it by 'ls -lh /dev/disks/by-uuid/*' when the system still was etch |
| 10:12.41 | enouf | righto |
| 10:12.45 | kamathln | simonrvn: the idea is to avoid command like altogether. Choosing a language should not get too technical |
| 10:12.57 | jaggz | it says the topmost debian mirror is unaccessible or doesn't have a valid Release file |
| 10:13.01 | enouf | but your usb drive? did you ever create a udev rule for it? |
| 10:13.03 | rdz | enouf, i just looked for the one pointing to /dev/hda1 (which is the root partition) |
| 10:13.04 | jaggz | says that about kernel.org too |
| 10:13.16 | simonrvn | !wayttd kamathln |
| 10:13.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kamathln? |
| 10:13.17 | rdz | enouf, not that i remember |
| 10:13.19 | enouf | rdz: listen just disconnect the friggin USB drive for now and boot |
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| 10:13.36 | rdz | enouf, i am not in the server room anymore.. |
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| 10:13.48 | kamathln | dpkg: trying to simplify choosing languages for all people, not jsut techies |
| 10:13.48 | dpkg | You are moron #1, kamathln |
| 10:13.56 | enouf | rdz: that's what i meant about "didn't you fix it while you were there?" |
| 10:13.59 | jaggz | it doesn't seem to be accessing my nameserver |
| 10:14.00 | kamathln | dpkg: thanks for reassuring |
| 10:14.00 | dpkg | no problem, kamathln |
| 10:14.13 | jaggz | and I can't ping it from outside on our net.. damn. |
| 10:14.14 | rdz | enouf, i wanted to, but i didn't know how to do it... |
| 10:14.18 | enouf | rdz: i can't do this anymore - i need a break |
| 10:14.23 | jaggz | switches the ethernet cable to the other port |
| 10:14.31 | enouf | rdz: hope you settle the issue |
| 10:14.37 | rdz | enouf, i tried specifxing by uuid or directly with /dev/sda1 and did reboot and got always the same error |
| 10:14.47 | kamathln | dpkg: i would like to know how i was a moron |
| 10:14.47 | dpkg | kamathln: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:14.49 | rdz | enouf, thanks a llot for your patience.. |
| 10:14.54 | simonrvn | dpkg: of what species art thou |
| 10:14.55 | dpkg | Bottus debianus. |
| 10:14.57 | jaggz | thar we go.. I can ping it from here now.. back to that sys |
| 10:15.24 | rdz | enouf, i seriously wanted to fix it when i was there, and i still want.. but i still don't understand, what makes fsck.ext3 fail... |
| 10:15.41 | nsadmin | dpkg: bot??! |
| 10:15.41 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:15.48 | jaggz | looks like it caches its failed attempt too... |
| 10:16.10 | nsadmin | shockibg! |
| 10:16.27 | jaggz | it instantly reports the debian.org site as being inaccessible or not having the Release file... |
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| 10:16.45 | simonrvn | Selveste1__: fix your network |
| 10:17.00 | kamathln | dpkg: look, simply, i wanted to install kannada localization to gnome, but found that there was no way i could switch, i had it installed, because in /usr/share/locales or some place like that, i could see a tonne of *.mo files .. but if i set LANG=kn_IN and start one of the apps, then it would work fine |
| 10:17.00 | dpkg | kamathln: You are moron #2 |
| 10:17.17 | simonrvn | kamathln: dpkg is a bot |
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| 10:17.29 | kamathln | simonrvn: seriously ? |
| 10:17.35 | nsadmin | kamathln: what's a command like altogether? |
| 10:17.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:17.44 | jaggz | sigh.. okay, how do I adjust network settings during netinst? I can ping it from the outside fine now, but it's not performing lookups on it, locally |
| 10:17.48 | kamathln | simonrvn: damn! |
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| 10:17.57 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 10:17.57 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:18.00 | jaggz | nor does it seem to find the debian mirrors |
| 10:18.31 | kamathln | so whats the moron ranking algorithm ? |
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| 10:18.55 | liable | there isnt one |
| 10:18.55 | simonrvn | i've used bloot/infobot for years and i still don't know. |
| 10:19.16 | simonrvn | totally arbitrary it seems... |
| 10:19.27 | nsadmin | so far you['ve got the first two slots... the only slots so far... |
| 10:19.27 | kamathln | simonrvn: just tell me of the .desktop way |
| 10:19.34 | liable | it seems to like #32 iirc |
| 10:19.52 | enouf | rdz: do you have mulitple lines in /etc/fstab with the SAME uuid? |
| 10:20.00 | enouf | fsck.ext3: Unable to resovle 'UUID=cefec956-6d97-44b9-89a3-fee3497bc612' fsck died with exit status 8 |
| 10:20.02 | jaggz | why would I be able to ping my system (during netinst) but be unable to wget http://debian.mirrors.easynews.com/ ? |
| 10:20.10 | scientes | whats the add remove programs package? |
| 10:20.11 | simonrvn | kamathln: well, easiest would be to install alacarte, and add one that way |
| 10:20.16 | kamathln | liable: sorry for all the fuss the other time with madwifi .. my main mistake was i had eth0 up |
| 10:20.18 | jaggz | scientes: aptitude |
| 10:20.19 | rdz | enouf, no |
| 10:20.22 | enouf | rdz: Solution for me was to edit /etc/fstab and comment out the UUID lines that had the exact same UUID. |
| 10:20.26 | enouf | ok |
| 10:20.30 | liable | jaggz: d-i doesnt have 'ping' .. what do you mean? |
| 10:20.31 | scientes | jaggz, the graphical stupid one |
| 10:20.42 | jaggz | liable, pinging it from another computer |
| 10:20.51 | liable | kamathln: no worries, as long as you got it sorted :) |
| 10:20.52 | enouf | rdz: compare the UUIDs with those that are in your files " /etc/fstab" and "/boot/grub/menu.lst" |
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| 10:21.01 | simonrvn | kamathln: thne when you update-menus next time (and after it's added) and all other times, it'll show up. |
| 10:21.05 | kamathln | simonrvn: i dont want it for me.. I want something that works out of the box with gnome |
| 10:21.06 | enouf | rdz: for you, Lilo |
| 10:21.15 | rdz | enouf, yeah.. exactly.... |
| 10:21.20 | rdz | enouf, :-) |
| 10:21.29 | liable | jaggz: can you wget ggogle.com? |
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| 10:21.38 | nsadmin | kamathln: any time you add gui stuff to something that could be done in plain text, you're adding another way to do something that already has a way to do that |
| 10:21.39 | kamathln | simonrvn: and this is for almost-naive users |
| 10:21.40 | enouf | rdz: google search; fsck.ext3 fails with "exit status 8" |
| 10:21.45 | liable | it would be nice if d-i had ping.. |
| 10:21.57 | nsadmin | add it to busybox |
| 10:22.02 | jaggz | it wasn't working for a while because I had the cable going into the wrong NIC. (for some reason these Dell servers #1 and #2 nics correspond to 1 and 0 (backwards) when Linux gets to them) |
| 10:22.11 | kamathln | nsadmin: acc to you all gui is redundant |
| 10:22.19 | liable | nsadmin: dont mind if you do |
| 10:22.25 | jaggz | Bad address: www.google.com |
| 10:22.30 | rdz | enouf, booting works, though in lilo.conf i currently use a different disk name for the same disk: |
| 10:22.39 | enouf | rdz: do you get the "unresolved UUID=3123213213213213...." part? |
| 10:22.40 | rdz | enouf, boot=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP2514N_S08BJ1NP202834 |
| 10:22.56 | enouf | i mean - is it part of the msg? |
| 10:22.57 | nsadmin | kamathln: the way it's implemented, all gui stuff is on the side instead of the main thing... macos, it's the main thing |
| 10:23.02 | enouf | WTF rdz ?!!! |
| 10:23.05 | rdz | enouf, yeah.. aboslutely.. and that is not my problem here.. that is not what the errors says of fsck.ext3 |
| 10:23.09 | enouf | rdz: no no no |
| 10:23.13 | nsadmin | this by the way is exactly how windows started |
| 10:23.22 | enouf | you canNOT use /by-id/ !!!!!!! |
| 10:23.27 | nsadmin | they had dos, they added windowing |
| 10:23.37 | enouf | atleast not without a custom kernel and initrd! |
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| 10:23.46 | rdz | enouf, ok. thanks.. good that we sorted this one out |
| 10:23.47 | kamathln | nsadmin: i dont seem to get your high thinking .. but i know this will be truely usefull for simple end users and powerusers alike |
| 10:23.55 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 10:23.57 | rdz | enouf, but it _did_ boot |
| 10:24.15 | enouf | wonderful - and NO REAL ROOTFS |
| 10:24.23 | rdz | enouf, i am not using a custom kernel. |
| 10:24.29 | enouf | i know! |
| 10:24.30 | nsadmin | kamathln: are you trying to do something for yourself or are you trying to get a dd to add something for everyone that uses debian? |
| 10:24.39 | enouf | change your damned LiLo config! |
| 10:24.46 | simonrvn | nsadmin: the latter |
| 10:24.48 | rdz | enouf, may you help me understand your upsetness? |
| 10:24.52 | kamathln | simonrvn: nsadmin: i think i will leave this alone on #debian and shoot a mail to pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 10:24.59 | kamathln | nsadmin: everyone who uses debian |
| 10:25.05 | enouf | rdz: hehe - i'm not upset - i'm all brain ;-) |
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| 10:25.15 | enouf | rdz: one huge brain ... fart ;-) |
| 10:25.19 | kamathln | nsadmin: if you had followed me from beginning, i asked for a dd |
| 10:25.20 | jaggz | it might be working now. I went back in and reconfigured the network (didn't have to change anything though) and it might be transferring now. |
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| 10:25.25 | rdz | enouf, :-) |
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| 10:25.34 | enouf | rdz: can i have a hug? |
| 10:25.35 | nsadmin | kamathln: you will be the most effective in that, if you build a sample implementation |
| 10:25.44 | rdz | enouf, yeah.. sure you can.. |
| 10:25.49 | rdz | hugs enouf |
| 10:26.01 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i'd like to create a deb package containing 2 ocf scripts that i wrote for heartbeat. i've read the new maintainer guide, but still don't know where to start/what tools to use. any pointers? |
| 10:26.04 | enouf | baskes in the hug for a bit |
| 10:26.10 | kamathln | nsadmin: i know .. its simple enough to do.. just edit the main menu and send a diff |
| 10:26.11 | liable | !say enouf !aww |
| 10:26.11 | dpkg | enouf !aww |
| 10:26.17 | drf__ | hello, I would be willing to update my server from etch to lenny. Though, since I'm upgrading it remotely, I fear remote interfaces might be swapped at boot time and I wouldn't be able to connect. I thought, as a possible workaround, to set all of them in /etc/network/interfaces to the same configuration. Would this be a problem, considering that in any case just one of them is connected? |
| 10:26.21 | enouf | !cuddles |
| 10:26.24 | jaggz | yeah.. that doesn't make sense to me, but it's working now. |
| 10:26.26 | liable | didnt think it work recursively |
| 10:26.28 | enouf | heh |
| 10:26.37 | kamathln | nsadmin: the point is, whether it will be really usefull, and consider all the corner cases and thinks like that |
| 10:26.43 | jaggz | Why would I have to reconfigure the network when it was configured without the network cable attached? |
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| 10:26.47 | nsadmin | drf__: you might want to back up its entire storage first |
| 10:26.48 | enouf | liable: no, cuddles are not usually "recursive" :-P |
| 10:26.48 | kamathln | s/thinks/things |
| 10:26.55 | jaggz | (not using DHCP.. manually set the IPs for everything) |
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| 10:26.58 | drf__ | nsadmin: yeah, done that already |
| 10:27.11 | liable | enouf: you should go to a furry meeting :D |
| 10:27.14 | kamathln | btw, does anyone know how to get a gtk frontend for dpkg working ? |
| 10:27.30 | enouf | rdz: will you tell me that it's working properly when it finally does? |
| 10:27.41 | nsadmin | drf__ so if the server completely gets erased, you're ok? for example, the backups are -not- stored on the server? |
| 10:27.45 | liable | kamathln: there isnt one, so, no. |
| 10:27.51 | enouf | (wow .. that can be taken Soooo out of context - heh) |
| 10:27.58 | drf__ | nsadmin: yes, I have them on another server |
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| 10:28.07 | rdz | enouf, yeah.. how do i correctly set the device in lilo.conf? |
| 10:28.08 | strange | hey guys is there a way to see current traffic usage on shell by users seperate so not a total amount kb/s traffic that is being done but user by user ? |
| 10:28.23 | kamathln | liable: there is a qt one ? |
| 10:28.24 | enouf | rdz: don't ask me! i told you, i don't use LiLo |
| 10:28.25 | frostschutz | I changed my sources list from etch to lenny and now aptitude update says W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6 - what does that mean? |
| 10:28.30 | nsadmin | that's more or less ok, consider something more offline... and also be sure you can restore |
| 10:28.31 | liable | kamathln: no |
| 10:28.53 | kamathln | liable: i rememberlooking at one |
| 10:28.54 | rdz | enouf, i was afraid, that ehen i leave it as /dev/hda, it won't work anymore, after upgrading to lenny, because i suspected the devices to be renamed to /dev/sdxX |
| 10:28.56 | kamathln | damn! |
| 10:28.56 | liable | kamathln: there is a couple of apt frontends, not for dpkg |
| 10:29.07 | enouf | rdz: but it's not by using the /dev/disk/by-id/ in place of /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 10:29.09 | nsadmin | drf__ so, why upgrade now? do you need to? |
| 10:29.13 | themill | frostschutz: install the debian-archive-keyring package. And /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:29.21 | jaggz | drf__: switching interfaces? |
| 10:29.22 | kamathln | liable: i am not talking about synaptic |
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| 10:29.40 | drf__ | nsadmin: in fact, I am considering the fact of doing it or not, and before taking a decision, I want to be sure of all risks |
| 10:29.40 | liable | kamathln: if you think about it, a dpkg gui is redundant |
| 10:29.43 | kamathln | liable: i used to get questions on a gtk dialog instead of on the console |
| 10:29.46 | nsadmin | I would suggest getting a second server temporarilly |
| 10:29.48 | rdz | enouf, sorry. but i still don't understant why it is not working and therefore am not able to fix it.... |
| 10:29.48 | themill | liable, kamathln: gdebi |
| 10:29.53 | drf__ | jaggz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#device-reorder |
| 10:29.58 | rdz | can i use /dev/disk/by-uuid? |
| 10:29.59 | liable | kamathln: thats what apt-get/aptitude/synaptic et al are for.. |
| 10:30.06 | kamathln | themill: checking .. but not that |
| 10:30.06 | enouf | rdz: dammit - post your /etc/lilo.conf file |
| 10:30.08 | nsadmin | have it run the original, switch so the dns points at it |
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| 10:30.14 | enouf | YES! |
| 10:30.14 | nsadmin | then upgrade the other one |
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| 10:30.17 | enouf | use it! |
| 10:30.35 | jaggz | ugh.. I was just talking about that.. my dell servers come up in the reverse order than the labels on the servers |
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| 10:30.40 | jaggz | but they do it the same under etch and lenny |
| 10:30.48 | enouf | rdz: this is going to take a bit more than just a hug to fix :-P |
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| 10:30.50 | liable | themill: wow. when did that happen? |
| 10:30.55 | drf__ | nsadmin: cool idea, thanks for the advice. Just on a side note, for how long will etch be supported for security updates? |
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| 10:31.04 | enouf | gEEdebi? |
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| 10:31.08 | nsadmin | another thing that might be handy, do it whe |
| 10:31.23 | enouf | !slap solid_liq |
| 10:31.23 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across solid_liq's face |
| 10:31.27 | nsadmin | another thing that might be handy, do it when there's someone next to the server |
| 10:31.48 | enouf | nsadmin: nice auto-completion, heh |
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| 10:31.58 | themill | liable: it's been around for a few years, but I think it originated in some other popular debian derivative or other. |
| 10:32.06 | Aldus | hi, i would like to create an alias like: goto mydir that performs this command: "cd /var/www/mydir". How can I pass the parameter mydir to the alias, so that it can be part of the folder I want to access? |
| 10:32.19 | enouf | nsadmin: n is not even close to tje enter/return key |
| 10:32.25 | liable | themill: hmph, never heard of it. i must live in a bubble |
| 10:32.31 | rdz | enouf, /etc/lilo.conf : http://www.pastebin.ca/1339919 |
| 10:32.35 | enouf | !bubbleboy |
| 10:32.37 | themill | liable: never used it myself. |
| 10:32.38 | simonrvn | cd "$*" |
| 10:32.42 | nsadmin | I hit the wrong key... |
| 10:32.51 | simonrvn | cd "/var/www/$*" |
| 10:33.01 | nsadmin | so sue sudio |
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| 10:33.17 | simonrvn | or is that $! ? fuck, i can't remember now... |
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| 10:33.45 | nsadmin | isnt'$* all the args? |
| 10:34.04 | enouf | rdz: update your boot= and root= lines and rerun lilo |
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| 10:34.24 | jaggz | drf, I'm going to wait a bit before I upgrade etch to lenny I think |
| 10:34.38 | enouf | rdz: make them the correct /by-uuid/ UUID, not the /by-id/xxxxxx |
| 10:34.45 | jaggz | the sudden influx of usage will likely result in a lot more testing and important bug fixes right at the beginning |
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| 10:35.03 | themill | Aldus: sounds like you actually want the CDPATH environment variable |
| 10:35.11 | jaggz | and more pages on upgrade issues :) |
| 10:35.20 | rdz | enouf, i'll do. many thanks for your patience and your time |
| 10:35.23 | jaggz | frowns at the ssh "bug" |
| 10:35.24 | nsadmin | drf__ overall... you have time. etch is not going to endoflife today or tomorrow |
| 10:35.33 | enouf | rdz: will you tell me that it's working properly when it finally does |
| 10:35.37 | jaggz | nsadmin, yeah.. but over the weekend :( |
| 10:35.41 | rdz | enouf, of couraw |
| 10:35.43 | nsadmin | so I'd suggest you plan your move |
| 10:35.45 | drf__ | nsadmin: thanks, I think I'll wait a bit then |
| 10:36.02 | liable | moves the bishop forward to black three left |
| 10:36.05 | nsadmin | make it when it's convenient for everyone |
| 10:36.11 | enouf | Aldus: you want a function() |
| 10:36.14 | enouf | i think |
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| 10:36.31 | nsadmin | having said that... you could copy the existing server to a backup |
| 10:36.33 | simonrvn | CDPATH is a lot more useful... |
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| 10:36.58 | simonrvn | i keep meaning to increase my limit to like 30 or 40 ... |
| 10:37.00 | enouf | why am i thinking CDROM when i see that? |
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| 10:37.17 | nsadmin | drf__ is this an active site that changes due to user input? |
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| 10:38.11 | nsadmin | in any case you want to play with lenny with your site to see what it's like before actually pulling the trigger |
| 10:39.19 | nsadmin | you will want to document every issue you encounter during the etch-lenny upgrade and the process of getting your server stuff going on top of it again |
| 10:39.25 | drf__ | nsadmin: not yet, but since I'm putting one on it soon, that's why I'm planning the move now |
| 10:39.54 | simonrvn | nsadmin: yeh. just make sure your /lib/libdl.so symlink is valid ;). |
| 10:40.03 | nsadmin | so it's what, a static-page website? |
| 10:40.08 | drf__ | yes |
| 10:40.17 | nsadmin | using apache? |
| 10:40.26 | drf__ | yes, and soon-to-be a mailserver |
| 10:40.41 | nsadmin | hmm, that seems pretty simple job |
| 10:40.44 | rdz | enouf, sorry to bother you again, but there is no /dev/disk/by-uuid/ pointing to /dev/hda .... |
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| 10:40.58 | liable | nsadmin: ping is in busybox.. |
| 10:41.05 | nsadmin | so I'd alter what I said so far like this: |
| 10:41.18 | simonrvn | liable: yeh but not always built |
| 10:41.30 | enouf | rdz: match all of ls -l /dev/disk/* |
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| 10:41.35 | liable | simonrvn: must be the case for the busybox udeb i guess |
| 10:41.37 | nsadmin | still do the backup (you already did it), still get the second server, copy the backup to it |
| 10:41.48 | amphi | rdz: those are symlinks to partitions, not disks |
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| 10:42.24 | nsadmin | but do the upgrade as quickly as possible. documenting all problem areas you can as you go |
| 10:42.35 | nsadmin | get the site up |
| 10:42.39 | simonrvn | no clue why. what's a few bytes for the symlink, and what, another 10 k or so for ping |
| 10:42.50 | simonrvn | likely less |
| 10:42.50 | nsadmin | fast fast |
| 10:42.56 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | Hi |
| 10:43.07 | nsadmin | do any tests you have |
| 10:43.12 | rdz | amphi, how can i then specify by-uuid the mbr in lilo.conf? shall i just switch back to /dev/hda ? |
| 10:43.14 | nsadmin | put it live |
| 10:43.14 | enouf | amphi: righto - the /by-uuid are only partitions |
| 10:43.20 | nsadmin | if that goes well, |
| 10:43.44 | nsadmin | upgrade the other server too, that becomes your dev server for when you go to active site |
| 10:43.45 | liable | simonrvn: they are pretty anal about binary size in d-i. |
| 10:44.08 | drf__ | nsadmin: thanks a lot, I think I'll do it this way |
| 10:44.20 | liable | simonrvn: guess they judge it to be unnessecary in 99% of cases, which it likely is |
| 10:44.24 | enouf | rdz: the /dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP2514N_S08BJ1NP202834-part1 corresponds to a UUID |
| 10:44.29 | simonrvn | 31K i386 / 37K PPC for the iputils-ping |
| 10:44.32 | nsadmin | hopefully you'll be able to breathe easy while you do it |
| 10:44.43 | enouf | amphi: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/1339919 |
| 10:44.54 | jaggz | my scanner stopped working :( |
| 10:44.57 | simonrvn | liable: yeh. would still be nice though |
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| 10:45.13 | enouf | rdz: blkid |
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| 10:45.28 | liable | simonrvn: my thoughts too. i'll try and stir them up about it :) |
| 10:45.30 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | I've a problem with my sid: openoffice files and others like zip,rar,gz ... don't hace the correct icon associated on the desktop. Any idea? Thanks |
| 10:45.38 | enouf | rdz: /dev/hdd1: LABEL="/" UUID="87a239ff-e553-42f3-b842-a8dc5052c9c5" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" |
| 10:45.45 | enouf | see that? |
| 10:45.56 | saulus | how do I make my system recognize new partitions without rebooting? |
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| 10:46.19 | enouf | generates a new UUID for / |
| 10:46.32 | enouf | hides with a roll of tinfoil :-P |
| 10:46.50 | rdz | enouf, cannot follow.. is this what i should put into lilo.conf? |
| 10:47.03 | liable | saulus: there is one way, that i think you can make the kernel do it, in some situations.. which i forgot. generally you have to reboot |
| 10:47.12 | enouf | saulus is / on the same disk? |
| 10:47.43 | enouf | rdz: go away - it's MY entry for / from 'blkid' |
| 10:48.02 | liable | saulus: i remember one of the old regulars here saying how, but the memory appears to have been removed by beer :) |
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| 10:48.23 | enouf | liable: i know how, but there's a caveat, and i mentioned it |
| 10:49.20 | saulus | enouf: no |
| 10:49.20 | saulus | liable: :) |
| 10:49.20 | liable | enouf: thats what i recall, so whats the way? |
| 10:49.20 | enouf | run /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 10:49.20 | liable | enouf: help me get those brain cells back! |
| 10:49.35 | saulus | didnt work enouf |
| 10:49.46 | enouf | if fdisk -l sees it then it should work |
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| 10:49.59 | enouf | saulus: your scsi bus need a rescan then |
| 10:50.00 | liable | enouf: makedev does it? even when udev is running? |
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| 10:50.18 | liable | that doesnt ring a bell for me |
| 10:50.21 | enouf | liable: it's udev that might need a restart - or .. as i say |
| 10:50.26 | rdz | enouf, you speaking chinese for me. what should i put into lilo.conf |
| 10:50.28 | rdz | ? |
| 10:50.35 | simonrvn | udevadm trigger |
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| 10:50.52 | simonrvn | orthefuckwhatever is that command... |
| 10:51.08 | simonrvn | had it |
| 10:51.10 | ChrisW1 | where does exim keep its logs? |
| 10:51.18 | enouf | # echo - - - > /sys/class/scsi_host/host9/scan |
| 10:51.24 | petemc | ChrisW: /var/log/exim4/ |
| 10:51.26 | simonrvn | ChrisW: in the shed, to dry out. |
| 10:51.33 | enouf | hostX needs to be correct though |
| 10:51.34 | saulus | enouf: fdisk -l showed it up, but mount says: mount: special device /dev/hda5 does not exist |
| 10:51.40 | liable | ChrisW: /var/log/mail and also its on dir in /var/log |
| 10:51.49 | vonsp | oh wow, was squeeze unfrozen ? |
| 10:51.50 | enouf | saulus: because it doesn't |
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| 10:52.00 | petemc | exim doesnt log to /var/log/mail |
| 10:52.05 | enouf | saulus: pastebin /etc/fstab output |
| 10:52.12 | liable | petemc: doesnt it? |
| 10:52.14 | daos | is there anyway to get a bnx2 NIC working with lenny without going to an older kernel? |
| 10:52.22 | vonsp | i just got a lot of new packages after update |
| 10:52.31 | ChrisW | petemc: wins the prize, simonrvn wins a testicular kick ;-) |
| 10:52.35 | enouf | petemc: it logs to /var/mail/username |
| 10:52.41 | simonrvn | vonsp: squeez wasn't released. lenny was. 3 days ago. |
| 10:52.46 | enouf | er ..sends mail to .. sorry |
| 10:52.55 | simonrvn | ChrisW: hey! i thought it was cute :). |
| 10:53.09 | petemc | exim4 -bP log_file_path |
| 10:53.11 | vonsp | simonrvn, but it accesible from repositary and it is testing, not ? |
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| 10:53.24 | vonsp | i like to use debian testing |
| 10:53.31 | simonrvn | squeeze is testing yes |
| 10:53.35 | vonsp | i just dont feel old stable's packages on desktop |
| 10:53.45 | enouf | log_file_path = /var/log/exim4/%slog |
| 10:53.48 | enouf | heh |
| 10:53.49 | vonsp | and it is unfrozen now? |
| 10:53.52 | ChrisW | grumbles in simonrvn's general direction ;-) |
| 10:53.58 | saulus | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/vvfH7y46.html |
| 10:53.59 | themill | vonsp: squeeze was never frozen |
| 10:54.02 | simonrvn | um, stable. was. released. 3. days. ago. |
| 10:54.18 | simonrvn | etch is oldstable now. |
| 10:54.25 | enouf | o m g |
| 10:54.44 | simonrvn | ChrisW: teehee |
| 10:54.47 | vonsp | hm... someone a day before said, that it is frozen for a while... |
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| 10:55.09 | simonrvn | *was*. because it was going to be released. |
| 10:55.12 | enouf | saulus: you lie |
| 10:55.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.20 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | Is there anybody having problem with wrong desktop icon associations and mime type in debian sid? |
| 10:55.37 | vonsp | simonrvn, we talking about sqeeze ? |
| 10:55.47 | simonrvn | Cap_J_T_Kirk: one or two, but i thought it was my doing. |
| 10:55.53 | themill | dpkg: tell vonsp about d-d-a |
| 10:56.02 | simonrvn | vonsp: no, lenny. |
| 10:56.14 | enouf | saulus: go ahead and prove to me that the base of that is not hda |
| 10:56.25 | ChrisW | if I change /etc/aliases, is there anything i need to do for exim to use the new aliases? |
| 10:56.26 | saulus | enouf: i try to make /dev/hda4 visible - its not on my raid, nor / |
| 10:56.31 | petemc | ChrisW: no |
| 10:56.33 | ktwilight_ | what's the debian way to logrotate hourly? do logrotate -f /path/to/logrotate/config in cron.hourly? |
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| 10:56.39 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | simonrvn, openoffice icons? |
| 10:56.40 | saulus | hda5 |
| 10:56.40 | ChrisW | hurmph... |
| 10:56.49 | ChrisW | wonders wtf is happening to messages... |
| 10:56.53 | simonrvn | ChrisW: used to have to HUP the daemon(s) |
| 10:57.01 | rdz | is there a log of fsck.ext3 on boot? |
| 10:57.03 | petemc | ChrisW: exim4 -d -bt user |
| 10:57.05 | enouf | saulus: and ... hda5 is a logical parttition within some Ext'd hdaX one |
| 10:57.08 | ChrisW | wants tracert for mail... |
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| 10:57.14 | simonrvn | though v4 seems to pick up conf changes rather quickly. |
| 10:57.17 | enouf | saulus: reboot |
| 10:57.18 | themill | petemc: newaliases isn't requred? |
| 10:57.21 | simonrvn | ChrisW: swaks |
| 10:57.22 | petemc | nope |
| 10:57.34 | themill | clever exim! |
| 10:57.41 | petemc | ChrisW: some of the configuration options debian offers for exim dont look in /etc/aliases |
| 10:57.47 | simonrvn | even /etc/exim4/exim4.conf heh |
| 10:57.51 | petemc | if you used a dbm for aliases you would need to rebuild it |
| 10:57.56 | rdz | enouf, why are you saying that my lilo.conf is wrong, when it actually booted fine? how is fsck.ext3 dependent on lilo.conf? ths all still doesn't make much sense to me |
| 10:58.00 | saulus | enouf: my base (/) is a raid on 2 sata discs. /boot (hda1) is on ANOTHER disk (ide). I've created on the hda another partition (hda5). Thats not on the same device as my raid |
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| 10:58.14 | petemc | ChrisW: exim has lots of debugging options |
| 10:58.17 | simonrvn | never figured out how to build .dbm |
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| 10:58.40 | petemc | exim_dbmbuild |
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| 10:58.53 | simonrvn | doh. thanks. |
| 10:58.58 | petemc | np! |
| 10:59.18 | enouf | rdz: i think since LiLo only occupies an exact sector location, it will boot if run to update itself |
| 10:59.24 | ktwilight_ | should i repeat my Q? :) |
| 10:59.58 | ChrisW | hurm, seems ot be sending it straight to a smarthost, not using /etc/aliases... |
| 11:00.02 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
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| 11:00.10 | petemc | ChrisW: it only does what you tell it to do |
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| 11:00.46 | enouf | rdz: however, once you get into transferring initrd to real rootfs, and virtual disks like mdadm and LVM get involved, and FSs that span them - you end up with superblock issues |
| 11:01.10 | ChrisW | petemc: not my server, so not what I tell it ;-) |
| 11:01.18 | enouf | saulus: note ; <saulus> enouf: my base (/) is a raid on 2 sata discs. /boot (hda1) |
| 11:01.26 | enouf | see any HDA there? |
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| 11:02.03 | enouf | it's on the same disk saulus |
| 11:02.24 | saulus | enouf: semms like were talking in opposite directions. < enouf> it's on the same disk saulus <- YES, thats what I meank |
| 11:02.27 | saulus | mean |
| 11:02.30 | Jubei | guys I'm experiencing issues with debian net install. no matter which mirror I select, I get "bad archive mirror". |
| 11:02.32 | enouf | and .. not to mention you have DOS partition tables mixing with LVM which is fine - but |
| 11:02.34 | enouf | reboot |
| 11:02.44 | saulus | k |
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| 11:03.02 | saulus | wouldnt partprobe help? I cant find it, where is it? |
| 11:03.31 | pete__ | hi! Anyone got any idea how can i remove LVM logical volume when its says that its open but im 100% sure its not. I use clvm and i got five nodes |
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| 11:03.45 | enouf | saulus: [05:45:05] <enouf> saulus is / on the same disk? <== means Same "physical disk" |
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| 11:04.02 | pete__ | where it get that info that LV is "OPEN" mode?? so i could do some forcing |
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| 11:04.25 | saulus | enouf: its not. / is on /dev/sda AND /dev/sdb. My new partition is on /dev/hda |
| 11:04.43 | enouf | pete__: clvm is a redhat thing , no? |
| 11:04.47 | enouf | cluster lvm |
| 11:04.51 | pete__ | enouf: no and yes |
| 11:05.30 | pete__ | but you can use it inside Debian without no problem. I just got back from holiday and i no i got no idea what happened. Every node states that volume is open but its not . I even booted the whole god damn cluster |
| 11:05.35 | enouf | wtf does ==> <saulus> enouf: my base (/) is a raid on 2 sata discs. /boot (hda1) is on ANOTHER disk (ide). |
| 11:05.38 | enouf | mean then? |
| 11:06.04 | liable | Jubei: hmm, are you going through a proxy? |
| 11:06.20 | Jubei | liable: no no proxy. direct connection to the net |
| 11:06.31 | Jubei | liable: is there a chance that mirrors are not yet updated? |
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| 11:06.51 | liable | Jubei: should have all been done by now i would think |
| 11:06.59 | enouf | saulus: wait - i misunderstand then .. sorry .. however |
| 11:07.02 | Jubei | liable: but then again its the same with every single mirror soo... it should by a problem at my end |
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| 11:07.20 | saulus | enouf: i dont see the caveat. But .. ok |
| 11:07.27 | daos | is there anyway to get a bnx2 NIC working with lenny without going to an older kernel? |
| 11:07.30 | Jubei | does anybody know how can I check my internet connectivity during installation? |
| 11:07.43 | enouf | saulus: only /boot touches any hdaX? or does some of the LVM span across hda? |
| 11:07.51 | enouf | saulus: see my point? |
| 11:07.53 | liable | Jubei: wonder if your isp has a transperant proxy. i would be blaming them |
| 11:07.53 | saulus | enouf: only boot |
| 11:08.06 | enouf | saulus: wow .. hrmf |
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| 11:08.32 | enouf | saulus: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 11:08.44 | saulus | enouf: I think there might be a possibility to span a lvm over sata and ide disks in general? But thats NOT in my case. My raid+lvm is only on the sata, my problem is on the IDE :) |
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| 11:09.04 | Jubei | it was a networking problem. I've got it. thanks |
| 11:09.06 | enouf | saulus: should be doable without reboot - afaict |
| 11:09.13 | Jubei | liable: thanks for the help |
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| 11:09.45 | enouf | Jubei: care to explain what was the cause? |
| 11:10.25 | saulus | enouf: http://pastebin.com/f2dd02325 |
| 11:10.26 | Jubei | enouf: server has 2 network interfaces and had randomly selected 1 of em and manually configured it's IP. I should have guessed it wasnt the one when it couldnt configure itself via DHCP^^ |
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| 11:12.36 | enouf | Jubei: ok - thanks for the followup |
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| 11:13.36 | g00se | If i aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 will it replace my current kernel or be made available as an alternative? |
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| 11:14.06 | enouf | saulus: ok .. so .. |
| 11:14.28 | liable | g00se: extra, unless it a minor update (ie from 2.6.26-1_10 to 2.6.26-1_13) |
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| 11:14.55 | Dakylla | hi |
| 11:14.56 | g00se | liable: Thanks |
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| 11:15.39 | enouf | saulus: the 3-4 various ways i recall are a) cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV b) /etc/init.d/udev stop|start c) echo - - - /sys/class/scsi_host/.. that i mentioned above |
| 11:15.49 | Dakylla | how can i use dpkg --{set|get}-selections please to automagically reinstall all the packages on a system to an other plz ? |
| 11:16.14 | enouf | saulus: might need to close the - - - in single quotes like '- - - ' |
| 11:16.37 | saulus | enouf: the first to didnt help so far - where did you write about the third? |
| 11:16.44 | daos | ok then can anyone tell me whre to find the firmware for a bnx2 NIC then? |
| 11:16.55 | saulus | the first TWO |
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| 11:17.15 | enouf | saulus: [05:49:10] <enouf> # echo - - - > /sys/class/scsi_host/host9/scan |
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| 11:18.20 | saulus | enouf: there is no host9, only host{0,1} - which shall I take? |
| 11:18.31 | enouf | [05:47:51] <enouf> saulus: your scsi bus need a rescan then [05:49:26] <enouf> hostX needs to be correct though |
| 11:18.43 | Zvpun | Howto convert wma files? I prefer ogg as a result but mp3 would also do it. |
| 11:18.58 | enouf | saulus: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 11:19.32 | enouf | saulus: listen - if you get this wrong, you might trigger a reboot - and hdX deosn't sound scsi to me |
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| 11:19.56 | saulus | enouf: ... so because of my raid I need both http://pastebin.com/f240d5bb5 |
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| 11:20.23 | enouf | saulus: does something like wodim -scanbus list your hdX as scsiX.X.X ? |
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| 11:20.54 | anaximander | How can you know on which cd or dvd a specific package is? |
| 11:21.10 | enouf | saulus: cat /proc/version please |
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| 11:21.50 | enouf | anaximander: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:22.28 | enouf | !tell daos about bnx2 firmware |
| 11:23.16 | enouf | Dakylla: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 11:23.25 | enouf | or |
| 11:23.31 | enouf | Dakylla: /msg dpkg selections |
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| 11:24.04 | Dakylla | enouf: ?? |
| 11:24.15 | saulus | enouf: wodim cant open SCSI driver, Linux version 2.6.28.4-vs2.3.0.36.6-reduced-driver-set gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) SMP Mon Feb 9 18:39:09 CET 2009, cat /etc/debian_version:5 |
| 11:24.25 | enouf | needs more than a hug :-/ |
| 11:24.26 | anaximander | enouf: thanks |
| 11:24.47 | enouf | saulus: that |
| 11:25.03 | enouf | saulus: that's not an official debian kernel - expect borkage |
| 11:25.50 | Dakylla | ok, i got it |
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| 11:26.02 | enouf | amazing |
| 11:26.06 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:26.20 | Gruelius | hey all |
| 11:26.31 | Dakylla | dselect ;) |
| 11:26.33 | Gruelius | moving from etch-lenny has stopped alot of things from working on my server |
| 11:26.37 | enouf | ugh |
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| 11:26.40 | Gruelius | the apps dont start up by default |
| 11:26.53 | Gruelius | certain modules dont load at startup |
| 11:27.07 | enouf | sends Dakylla over to jetscreamers camp |
| 11:27.20 | Gruelius | and im sure ill find other stuff, is there anything ovbious that i can look at which would explain why its all gone funny? |
| 11:27.34 | enouf | Gruelius: usually Video and Wifi |
| 11:27.47 | Gruelius | doesnt have X server installed |
| 11:27.50 | Gruelius | and no wifi card |
| 11:28.00 | enouf | Gruelius: because you chose to have Binary Blobs |
| 11:28.06 | enouf | well - ok |
| 11:28.09 | Gruelius | whats that? |
| 11:28.17 | enouf | !blob |
| 11:28.17 | dpkg | [blob] a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 11:28.28 | unki | anyone gambled around already with preseed & debian-installer & Lenny? I always get a conflict with rsyslog/sysklogd/klogd during installation |
| 11:28.54 | Gruelius | i use forcedeth for the networking, that considered binary? |
| 11:29.09 | enouf | gambles with unki 's gambling and calls himself a Bank |
| 11:29.26 | Gruelius | nah its opensource |
| 11:29.28 | Gruelius | so yeah no blobs |
| 11:29.29 | Gruelius | lol |
| 11:30.04 | enouf | starts loaning out loans and charging interest - all on unki 's bad gambling behaviour |
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| 11:30.20 | cads | we pirates must reverse blobs and steal source code from commercial ventures... aye, it be a harde life |
| 11:30.26 | unki | oh come on. it's not my primary language :-) |
| 11:30.56 | enouf | becomes filthy rich and institutionalizes Fractional Reserve Banking to perpetuate the deal |
| 11:31.00 | Gruelius | i might restart it again |
| 11:31.10 | Gruelius | everything that was needed to autoload modules and set network settings was there |
| 11:31.47 | enouf | unki: no offense at all my friend - really |
| 11:31.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:32.04 | enouf | i really needed to say that though |
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| 11:32.38 | enouf | unki: i have no idea - haven' |
| 11:32.47 | enouf | t done the preseed dealio |
| 11:32.54 | cads | enouf, surely there's enough economic theory out there to come up with a system where you life a luxurious life, but so do otherwise starving people in africa? |
| 11:33.14 | cads | without that socialist shit |
| 11:33.15 | unki | enouf: i would never imply that :-) |
| 11:33.20 | Gruelius | cads: easier way to do it is change the official definition of luxurious |
| 11:33.23 | enouf | cads: i'm surre there is |
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| 11:34.25 | enouf | cads: it's called the Venus Project and acclaims Zeitgeist:Addendum as it's mantra |
| 11:34.44 | cads | gives enouf a gift, a simple e-hug, and starts this gift-economy |
| 11:34.54 | daos | so I just installed the firmware-bnx2 and now system will not even get to grub boot loader, any suggestions? |
| 11:35.00 | enouf | blushes |
| 11:35.05 | cads | enouf that sounds like a cult, have you checked those guys out? |
| 11:35.13 | enouf | yes |
| 11:35.18 | amphi | an e-hug isn't worth the paper it's written on |
| 11:35.44 | enouf | nor the 'bites' it seems to involve |
| 11:35.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:35.56 | amphi | heh |
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| 11:36.26 | enouf | cads: if you |
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| 11:36.39 | Gruelius | ah screw this ill just reinstall debian |
| 11:36.43 | Gruelius | more fun that way |
| 11:36.54 | enouf | cads: if you're not a Sheeple, then you know when someone is trying to Shepherd you |
| 11:37.03 | Gruelius | if ive got 64bit hardware should i go for the amd64 release if its a server? or no point |
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| 11:37.17 | enouf | no point |
| 11:37.22 | enouf | slam dunk |
| 11:37.28 | enouf | 10 years gone |
| 11:37.41 | enouf | +64 bit of nothingness |
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| 11:38.04 | Gruelius | lol |
| 11:38.13 | Gruelius | you havent been too helpful tonight |
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| 11:39.00 | p0g0 | liable: Ever hear of USBNet funnies with Lenny_who_is_now_stable? I think maybe I am seeing a different failure than before... |
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| 11:39.21 | enouf | my tertness should not be misconstrued for intellectual shortcomings or misgivings |
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| 11:39.47 | p0g0 | liable: might be in the USB HID module... |
| 11:40.12 | enouf | er s/tert/capt. kirk/ ? |
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| 11:40.26 | cads | enouf: Aren't we all sheeple' with |
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| 11:40.36 | cads | varying degrees of naivette? |
| 11:40.41 | p0g0 | bah? |
| 11:41.06 | daos | fantastic, guess I am re-installing |
| 11:41.08 | enouf | cads: if you believe in the current "monetary system" you most certainly are |
| 11:41.30 | enouf | cads: http://moneyasdebt.net/ |
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| 11:41.49 | amphi | enouf: you're a tert? |
| 11:42.09 | enouf | amphi: i prefer to be a tart .. thank you kindly :-) |
| 11:42.39 | cads | enouf, should we invent whuffie? amphi what is a tert? |
| 11:43.45 | p0g0 | enouf: I am a fan of the Knowledge Is Wealth plan...works well for the intellectually curious ... |
| 11:44.25 | cads | The venus project would be more attractive to me if it had sexual rituals. |
| 11:44.26 | liable | p0g0: not sure i'm following |
| 11:44.27 | Gruelius | ok ill try again. if i have a fileserver with x64 hardware that doesnt run 64bit apps is it (in your opinion) worth me choosing the amd64 release, as i dotn want to have a small performance increase in trade for more problems (if the 64bit release will give me issues) |
| 11:44.52 | petemc | Gruelius: whats this about a performance increase? |
| 11:44.58 | Gruelius | as it was a pain in the arse for me to get vista x64 drivers for some of my gear, will i be having simmilar headaches when choosing the amd64 tree or does it not work like that |
| 11:45.00 | petemc | i think you'll find its the opposite |
| 11:45.00 | Gruelius | i dunno im a noob |
| 11:45.03 | Gruelius | thats why i came here for help |
| 11:45.05 | stoffell | Gruelius, i always use x64, why not use it .. |
| 11:45.15 | Gruelius | petemc: thats what i wanted to hear lol |
| 11:45.51 | cads | p0g0: it should follow that if our forefathers' discoveries and inventions were equal to wealth, then humans today should be the rich trust-fund babies of our past generations... and only have to do work when we got tired of sniffing coke at around 24 years of age |
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| 11:45.53 | plsd | petemc, I'm pretty sure I've seen benchmarks showing 64 bit gives a small performance increase |
| 11:46.19 | petemc | plsd: under what conditions? |
| 11:46.19 | p0g0 | liable: NP, I"ve a box that has a USBNet device that is not initializing reliably. Pre Lenny, it might just hang late in USB initialization...now it seems to not hang, but is never discovered. Likely the same problem with a new twist. |
| 11:46.23 | plsd | petemc, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1 |
| 11:46.52 | Gruelius | im using the md software raid driver btw, if that gets a perf boost from usin amd64 i am there lol |
| 11:46.57 | liable | p0g0: sounds hardwarish |
| 11:47.13 | stoffell | Gruelius, go for amd64, it's stable .. and certainly for a server... |
| 11:47.24 | p0g0 | liable: I think that lies at the root of this evil too. |
| 11:48.15 | stoffell | i can't see any "sane" reason to stick to 32bits if you've got new hardware and only run debian packages.. (samba/mysql/apache/..) |
| 11:48.34 | cads | Gruelius: why worry about it if you don't need to extra address space or the higher precision numbers? Run a live disk or something and do some tests to convince yourself what you need. |
| 11:48.42 | zirimola | how i centralize settings in a server? |
| 11:48.42 | plsd | AFAICT the only reason not to use 64bit is if you use software that's only available for 32 bit, like flash used to be. I don't know what's not available for 64 bit now though, I got everything i need and want. |
| 11:48.48 | zirimola | like NIS |
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| 11:49.11 | stoffell | plsd, correct |
| 11:49.24 | zirimola | I need a tool like NIS to have settings in a server |
| 11:49.26 | zirimola | help |
| 11:49.56 | cads | Gruelius: I'd say don't sweat and choose either 32 bit or 64 but mostly don't sweat it. |
| 11:50.47 | cads | it's not that big of a deal unless you're doing numerics or you need a lot of memory |
| 11:50.51 | Jubei | i'd appreciate it if somebody helped me troubleshoot my network interface. i bring it up but then I cant ping anything . i think i need to do something about the default route too? |
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| 11:51.02 | Gruelius | yeah ill go 32bit, is there a way i can get the 32bit to use the full 4gb of ram? |
| 11:51.12 | stoffell | just like it's not a big deal to use x64 , lol |
| 11:51.27 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 11:51.27 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 11:51.44 | cads | Gruelius: man I just told you, if you need the memory, use the 64 bit :D |
| 11:52.00 | stoffell | lol |
| 11:52.01 | Gruelius | lol :P |
| 11:52.05 | plsd | yeah if you have 4gb of ram why not just use 64bit? |
| 11:53.02 | enouf | Gruelius: you can use a 32bit userland with a 64bit cpu, and get all RAM used |
| 11:53.17 | Gruelius | looks like ill use 64bit then |
| 11:53.34 | enouf | Gruelius: use a) the -bigmem kernel or b) the amd64 kernel |
| 11:53.49 | cads | Does anyone here ever think back about 20 years ago, and start pulling their hair out as they scream, "1.21 GIGABYTES OF MAIN MEMORY!?! 1.21 _GIGABYTES_!!" |
| 11:54.03 | funkyHat | I had set up a line in /etc/sudoers that allowed me to sudo with no password, but I've decided to change it back so that a password is required, so my line just says 'matt ALL=(ALL) ALL' again. Sudo isn't asking for a password though:/ |
| 11:54.06 | Panarchy | I have created a Linux distribution. It's currently just over 800MB, in the future might be up-to a 4.7GB worth. Any suggestions on where I can upload my distribution, for FREE? |
| 11:54.06 | Gruelius | enouf cheers |
| 11:54.33 | cads | Gee Panarchy, I _don't Know_ |
| 11:54.42 | Panarchy | (It's debian based) |
| 11:54.47 | cads | suppose you'll tell us? |
| 11:54.54 | Panarchy | nope |
| 11:54.57 | Panarchy | No idea |
| 11:55.05 | Panarchy | Used adrive last time, though wasn't to happy with them |
| 11:55.15 | Panarchy | Got no idea! When I found out I can tell you if you want |
| 11:55.19 | cads | well with free stuff you tend to get what you pay for |
| 11:55.38 | funkyHat | cads: I could only just speak 20 years ago, so no sorry |
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| 11:55.53 | stoffell | Panarchy, look here: http://www.000webhost.com/ |
| 11:55.54 | enouf | welcome Gruelius: if you install amd64 userland yuo cannot use a -686 kernel .. well .. without settlng up a chroot and/or ia32-libs |
| 11:56.01 | Panarchy | cads: Didn't think I'd here that cliche on this channel |
| 11:56.20 | cads | oooo, this is #debian.. |
| 11:56.22 | Panarchy | stoffell: I'll have a look |
| 11:56.26 | Panarchy | cads: LOL |
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| 11:56.38 | cads | Panarchy: TANSTAAFL... still applies with open source |
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| 11:57.00 | Panarchy | TANSTAAFL? |
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| 11:57.15 | funzl | hi all. i'm searching for a list of font-families currently installed on my system... any ideas / places where to search? |
| 11:57.15 | Gruelius | enouf lol? |
| 11:57.44 | Panarchy | think /etc |
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| 11:58.05 | enouf | funkyHat: have you logged out entirely the user? |
| 11:58.31 | zirimola | how to puppet? |
| 11:58.41 | enouf | pull strings |
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| 11:58.52 | ikonia | Panarchy: you said it was ubuntu based |
| 11:58.56 | cads | Panarchy: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch... but that free hosting site looks compelling |
| 11:58.59 | ikonia | Panarchy: why do you lie to each channel to get support |
| 11:59.08 | funzl | Panarchy: thx, found it |
| 11:59.34 | drf__ | nsadmin: sorry to bother you again, but please have a look at this: http://pastebin.com/me0020 (I masked the addresses, but they're all the same for all interfaces). Can such a thing create conflicts? |
| 11:59.48 | Panarchy | ikonia: Next version will be more Debian based |
| 11:59.50 | cads | ikonia: some people are drunk and don't know what channel they're in, and those people don't mind helping |
| 12:00.04 | enouf | raises hand |
| 12:00.06 | Panarchy | enouf: Good song |
| 12:00.16 | ikonia | Panarchy: you've not even released version 1 yet |
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| 12:00.32 | ikonia | Panarchy: stop wasting peoples times with "I'm doing x y and z" when you've not even done "a" |
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| 12:00.36 | zamuro | Oh, wait... are we supposed to help here? |
| 12:00.49 | Panarchy | ikonia: Yes I have |
| 12:00.58 | ikonia | Panarchy: where is release 1 ? |
| 12:00.59 | zamuro | I thought we were here to bitch about ubuntu... |
| 12:01.00 | Panarchy | I've made 9 version from scratch (probably created 20 .iso) |
| 12:01.07 | ikonia | Panarchy: where is version 1 |
| 12:01.08 | Panarchy | ikonia: 1st post on my blog |
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| 12:01.17 | ikonia | Panarchy: where is the physical image to download |
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| 12:01.21 | Panarchy | ikonia: 1st post on my blog |
| 12:01.49 | ikonia | whats the blog URL - not got it here |
| 12:02.18 | enouf | quickly changes the name of his Corp to "Xe" ... oh wait .. Blackwater, the Halliburton subsidiary already stole that too! |
| 12:02.31 | Panarchy | 's Linux Distribution blog [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] |
| 12:02.36 | cads | I once taught a fellow on irc how he might hone a sword to an edge appropriate for seppukku. I never talked to the fellow again. From then on I knew the value of restricted knowledge. |
| 12:02.48 | Panarchy | ah |
| 12:03.06 | Jubei | the correct way to make changes to my networking is by editing /etc/network/interfaces and doing /etc/init.d/networking restart right? |
| 12:03.10 | ikonia | Panarchy: where on that blog does it say where to download your vesion 1 from |
| 12:03.17 | Panarchy | 1st POST!!!! |
| 12:03.39 | enouf | Jubei: mostly .,, yes |
| 12:03.48 | ikonia | Panarchy: show me the line |
| 12:03.50 | Panarchy | ikonia: Here, I'll quote it for you: Download: http://www.adrive.com/public/c3c5e08139a7862c5eaaf2876f8622dfddef593652fca733af8f995ad4b515bc.html |
| 12:04.00 | Jubei | enouf: thanks |
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| 12:04.09 | Jubei | enouf: but what does mostly mean?^^ |
| 12:04.22 | ikonia | Panarchy: you're blog doesn't appeared updated, that is not on the page I see |
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| 12:04.24 | enouf | Jubei: == depends on setup |
| 12:04.54 | Panarchy | ikonia: Works for me. 1st post (bottom of the page) |
| 12:05.04 | enouf | stop peeking about from behind that ? mark :-P |
| 12:05.04 | Jubei | enouf: eer.. I've a fresh 5.0 install and want to configure a static IP address to my network interface that points to my local router. |
| 12:05.23 | enouf | Jubei: not a prob |
| 12:05.29 | enouf | !interfaces |
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| 12:05.43 | Jubei | enouf: kk thanks |
| 12:05.44 | enouf | Jubei: man route |
| 12:05.49 | ikonia | Panarchy: ahh so it does, bottom post, not first, I thought first meant top |
| 12:06.04 | Panarchy | ah |
| 12:06.12 | Panarchy | lol, different blogging software I guess |
| 12:06.15 | enouf | Jubei: hang out |
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| 12:06.32 | Panarchy | ikonia: Don't download it though. Been working hard to upload my latest for you |
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| 12:06.49 | ikonia | Panarchy: downloading it now |
| 12:06.54 | Jubei | enouf: you wanna hang out with me? thats very polite but.. ^^ |
| 12:06.58 | Panarchy | ikonia: Alrigh |
| 12:07.03 | Panarchy | But latest version is VERY different |
| 12:07.04 | ikonia | already started, sorry |
| 12:07.08 | enouf | Jubei: dpkg just need to freshen up each morn' ...she'll be back shortly |
| 12:07.10 | ikonia | Panarchy: in what way ? |
| 12:07.21 | Panarchy | Completely recreated from scratch |
| 12:07.28 | ikonia | Panarchy: what is different though |
| 12:07.28 | jackweb | Hello! I've got a question: I had used Debian testing before Lenny was released as stable. What branch am I using now? Testing → squeezy or stable → lenny? |
| 12:07.30 | Panarchy | 60x the amount of programs on it |
| 12:07.30 | nsadmin | Panarchy so I found the url... it's requiring a login |
| 12:07.39 | Panarchy | rly? |
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| 12:07.46 | enouf | Jubei: no .. i mean hang out in the channel - and man interfaces |
| 12:07.49 | ikonia | nsadmin: nah, look for the hidden link on the page |
| 12:07.54 | enouf | in the meantime |
| 12:07.58 | Jubei | Jubei: I intend to^^ thank you. |
| 12:07.59 | yaa1973 | HELP! I did a " apt-get build-dep samba " and got a "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_lenny_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)" - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? How can I fix this ? |
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| 12:08.09 | nsadmin | ikonia: how will I find it if it's hidden... |
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| 12:08.21 | ikonia | nsadmin: it's just not an obvious "click here" link |
| 12:08.23 | ikonia | it is on there |
| 12:08.28 | ikonia | Panarchy: so what's different then ? |
| 12:08.33 | Panarchy | nsadmin: Download: http://www.adrive.com/public/c3c5e08139a7862c5eaaf2876f8622dfddef593652fca733af8f995ad4b515bc.html |
| 12:08.34 | ikonia | Panarchy: what should I be looking for in this current release |
| 12:08.37 | nsadmin | but that's ok, I just wanted to see if it was there |
| 12:08.47 | Panarchy | ikonia: The kernel, the software, the runtime |
| 12:08.51 | Panarchy | What more do you want? |
| 12:08.51 | ikonia | nsadmin: I'm downloading to test and see how different it is from ubuntu |
| 12:08.58 | ikonia | nsadmin: which I suspect is nothing different |
| 12:09.02 | Panarchy | oh, and it was built on something different |
| 12:09.18 | ikonia | nsadmin: seeing as panarchy doesn't know how to remove files in a home directory, I find it hard to believe he will have been able to make a distro |
| 12:09.19 | OpenTokix | yassine: try an apt-get update |
| 12:09.19 | funkyHat | enouf: yeah, I changed it last night and it didn't work but it was late so I left it until now to check again, I also just checked I don't have any screen sessions left running |
| 12:09.22 | Panarchy | "Super Ubuntu" thought it was a good idea at the time... |
| 12:09.24 | enouf | yaa1973: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_lenny_source_Sources |
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| 12:09.36 | ikonia | Panarchy: ahh so you've just ripped off someone elses product |
| 12:09.49 | enouf | funkyHat: i forgot you issue ... entirely |
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| 12:10.06 | nsadmin | ikonia: different people take different paths to gain experience |
| 12:10.10 | yaa1973 | enouf: No such file or directory |
| 12:10.13 | ikonia | nsadmin: totally |
| 12:10.20 | enouf | yaa1973: beauty |
| 12:10.22 | OpenTokix | ikonia: Anyone can build their own dist, the point of Free Software... |
| 12:10.31 | ikonia | OpenTokix: didn't say anyone coulnd't |
| 12:10.46 | funkyHat | enouf: sorry, sudo is allowing me to log in with no password even though I changed the configuration back to just ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:10.50 | ikonia | OpenTokix: I said I suspect panarchy will have done nothing different from the distro he cloned |
| 12:10.59 | funkyHat | *allowing me to sudo |
| 12:11.06 | enouf | yaa1973: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:11.09 | OpenTokix | ikonia: ok, maybe inserted keylogger? =) |
| 12:11.14 | ikonia | OpenTokix: we'll soon see |
| 12:11.15 | yaa1973 | enouf: does the update tree has its own source packages? may I need a repository entry in sources.conf for updates ? |
| 12:11.35 | nsadmin | that's possible... but if there's 9 or so versions where he did various things to put it together... that's somethign |
| 12:11.39 | enouf | funkyHat: i asked you about logging out/in |
| 12:11.52 | ikonia | Panarchy: I'm downloading super ubuntu too, what difference's should I be looking for ? |
| 12:11.53 | enouf | yaa1973: what? |
| 12:12.05 | ikonia | nsadmin: there is also a web of lies |
| 12:12.07 | moot | well it has selfsmanship |
| 12:12.09 | OpenTokix | ikonia: but then agaoin, this is #debian and not #distroplayground |
| 12:12.14 | ikonia | OpenTokix: totally |
| 12:12.14 | funkyHat | enouf: yes I have definitely logged out completely, I've just connected by ssh and typing who only returns 1 line |
| 12:12.18 | ikonia | OpenTokix: point taken |
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| 12:12.49 | ikonia | Panarchy: I've moved the discussion to ##linux |
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| 12:13.44 | jaggz- | anyone use projectM audio visualization in anything? |
| 12:13.49 | yaa1973 | enouf: lol.. pastebin.com denies my post. saying its SPAM ;)) - you got another pastebin thingy handy ? |
| 12:13.52 | enouf | funkyHat: 1st, i'm not sure hhow ALL:(ALL)ALL works, my line has a :NOPASSWD in it |
| 12:13.54 | jaggz- | I installed the modules but I can't find anything in which to run it to see the visuals |
| 12:14.13 | enouf | yaa1973: rafb.net/paste |
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| 12:14.50 | funkyHat | enouf: mine used to have NOPASSWD but I've removed it now as the machine is mostly configured how I want it so I won't be using sudo so much |
| 12:15.03 | funkyHat | enouf: but I'm not being prompted for a password :/ |
| 12:15.05 | nsadmin | my final comment on the subject... if he learned the shell pretty well from doing this, he's made some progress... if the cds are bootable due to him building the installer and writign the eltorito boot image, that's progress too |
| 12:15.15 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: sudo caches auth for a while |
| 12:15.28 | funkyHat | How long is a while? |
| 12:15.29 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: so if you sudo, then exit then sudo again it will let you in without password for x time |
| 12:15.33 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: not sure |
| 12:15.37 | funkyHat | I changed this about 12 hours ago |
| 12:15.53 | enouf | funkyHat: all i can say is .. there's /etc/pam.d/ and other file |
| 12:15.59 | enouf | 's invilved |
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| 12:16.07 | yaa1973 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/NpVADb26.html |
| 12:16.14 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183418 |
| 12:16.30 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: you do it per user in sudoers, default five minutes apparantly |
| 12:16.49 | funkyHat | OpenTokix: it's not an auth timeout issue, I've run sudo -k and it's still not prompting for my password |
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| 12:18.02 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: ok |
| 12:18.11 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: chill for five minutes, and see if it changes |
| 12:18.19 | enouf | yaa1973: err .. you have no 'main' in you security lines |
| 12:18.25 | yaa1973 | enouf: btw - Im now trying this on lenny (5.0) meanwhile, because I did not make any progress on etch anymore with all this backporting tries. |
| 12:18.48 | yaa1973 | enouf: adding main to security parts... |
| 12:19.11 | enouf | yaa1973: right - then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:20.29 | yaa1973 | enouf: added main, did update, did upgrade >> no additional installations appeared. |
| 12:21.11 | enouf | yaa1973: apt-get -s dist-upgrade <== pastebin |
| 12:21.19 | nsadmin | yaa1973 with backporting you might think about apt-get build-dep |
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| 12:21.32 | yaa1973 | enouf: apt-get build-dep samba >> same results: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_lenny_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:21.34 | enouf | nsadmin: he is |
| 12:21.42 | enouf | yaa1973: apt-get -s dist-upgrade <== pastebin !! |
| 12:21.49 | yaa1973 | enouf: on my way |
| 12:22.02 | nsadmin | sounds like he needs to update? |
| 12:22.19 | enouf | [07:17:03] <enouf> yaa1973: right - then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 12:22.24 | yaa1973 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/UQHd6s15.html |
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| 12:22.43 | nsadmin | did the update succeed completely? |
| 12:22.57 | enouf | grah |
| 12:23.09 | nsadmin | it seems to me pieces may have failed |
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| 12:24.15 | nsadmin | I can back my guess up too if you like :) |
| 12:24.29 | enouf | yaa1973: apt-get update ; apt-get -s dist-upgrade <== pastebin Show me your newer sources.list too! |
| 12:24.35 | yaa1973 | enouf: THIS TIME something happened... >> http://rafb.net/p/SBUk4228.html |
| 12:24.41 | enouf | heh |
| 12:24.51 | enouf | !8ball is it magic? |
| 12:24.51 | dpkg | No. |
| 12:25.04 | nsadmin | heyyy! something happened! |
| 12:25.30 | enouf | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:25.36 | enouf | not too helpful |
| 12:26.06 | enouf | nsadmin: "it moved!" |
| 12:26.09 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:26.12 | nsadmin | I was right... one update failed, and the file it tries to open above corresponds |
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| 12:26.36 | enouf | work with me ...... |
| 12:26.51 | yaa1973 | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/qBKfZQ66.html <<< update + sources.conf |
| 12:26.52 | nsadmin | enouf: look at scrollback for the file it opened, and also look at line 19 |
| 12:26.58 | nsadmin | of the pastebin |
| 12:26.59 | enouf | needs to EAT! |
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| 12:27.33 | freddy__ | hi - I have the problem that after install of debian-amd64 only one of the two netcards are installed. If I do an lspci I have an broadcom and an intel ethernet controller but only one of them is seen by the gui network configurator ? |
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| 12:27.53 | nsadmin | so the question becomes why is his failing... this is a longshot, but he might be out of disk space on that partition? |
| 12:28.15 | Jubei | guys I try to load my network interface and I get eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 12:28.31 | Jubei | is there a chance that the kernel module for the network interface is not loaded? |
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| 12:28.36 | yaa1973 | nsadmin: I talking about me? :) |
| 12:28.44 | yaa1973 | nsadmin: checking diskspace... |
| 12:28.56 | nsadmin | yaa1973: no, I talking about me! |
| 12:29.23 | Jubei | but if I configure it with dhclient the dhcp server responds and it works ;/ *sigh* |
| 12:29.35 | nsadmin | that's a very low chance of running out of space |
| 12:29.55 | nsadmin | Jubei: look at your ifconfig -a |
| 12:30.06 | yaa1973 | nsadmin: so, sorry then. as long im not addressed I don't watch/read all the other lines. but if u where talking to me.. yes there are 7.2gigs free at / |
| 12:30.11 | nsadmin | Jubei or maybe the module is not loaded early enough |
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| 12:30.33 | nsadmin | yaa1973 that's plenty... |
| 12:30.39 | Jubei | nsadmin: my ifconfig shows an eth1 interface up which btw shouldnt exist in the pc anymore because I removed the network card |
| 12:31.05 | Jubei | nsadmin: but the funny thing is that it went up when I ran dhclient :/ |
| 12:31.06 | nsadmin | Jubei: so you have an eth1 but not eth0? |
| 12:31.18 | Jubei | nsadmin: is that possible? |
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| 12:31.38 | Jubei | nsadmin: (I used to have 2 network cards but removed one exactly because I didnt want to have eth1 ) |
| 12:31.43 | nsadmin | yes, it is these days because now there are ways of renaming them |
| 12:32.38 | nsadmin | and it would depend on which net card driver was loaded first which one got eth0 |
| 12:32.51 | Duddle | hi everybody! is there a software list of some sort, that says "program X will break if you dist-upgrade to lenny" or will apt warn me about incompatible software beforehand? |
| 12:33.35 | nsadmin | Duddle: debian will either fail to install the conflict or else remove the old package to install the new |
| 12:33.40 | yaa1973 | nsadmin / enouf : any simple way I can purge the apt database and rebuild its contents ? or did we do this already and I didn't realized it ? |
| 12:34.00 | Duddle | good, thank you :) |
| 12:34.10 | nsadmin | sometimes you end up with a functionality missing that you had (like maybe an ftp server) because it soemtimes forgets to install everything |
| 12:34.44 | Jubei | nsadmin: the eth1 interface is configured by the dhclient but I still cant ping the router. pinging a host on my local network is irrelevant to the routing table right? |
| 12:34.49 | nsadmin | yaa1973: what you can do for right now is comment out the security sources and run the update |
| 12:35.08 | scientes | why cant i put a file:/ deb line in my sources that points to a mounted debian dvd iso? |
| 12:35.10 | nsadmin | once we find out why it's not getting them you can put it back |
| 12:35.14 | scientes | it justs ignores it |
| 12:35.32 | yaa1973 | nsadmin: k. commenting out sec. sources and update |
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| 12:35.35 | scientes | and apt-cdrom is completely broken and wont work with mounts or isos |
| 12:35.41 | nsadmin | scientes: the iso is not set up like a mirror |
| 12:36.04 | scientes | but there should be a way to add it without having to use it burned |
| 12:36.39 | nsadmin | yes there should. with lack thereof being at best and mildest, suspicious |
| 12:37.17 | scientes | at the least maybe it could be layed out like a mirror so i can do what im trying to do |
| 12:37.30 | scientes | or allowing apt-cdrom to take filepaths to isos or mounts |
| 12:37.34 | enouf | yaa1973: why purge anything? |
| 12:37.46 | nsadmin | Jubei what address is eth1 getting? |
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| 12:38.21 | yaa1973 | enouf: I assumed that maybe my apt DB is somehow inconsistent or sumthin... just a thought. |
| 12:38.27 | Jubei | nsadmin: 10.0.0.109 , assigned correctly from the dhcp server, on the same subnet as the router. it all looks good :/ it should be pinging right? |
| 12:38.48 | nsadmin | Jubei router is 10.0.0.1? |
| 12:38.52 | Jubei | nsadmin: yea |
| 12:38.54 | enouf | yaa1973: in the beginning; don't think too hard ;-) |
| 12:39.08 | nsadmin | what kind of thing is the router? |
| 12:39.30 | Jubei | nsadmin: cisco router. every other machine on the network (including the one Im talking to you from) works fine with it |
| 12:39.31 | scientes | maybe i could at least import all the file from the cd into the local apt cache? |
| 12:39.54 | nsadmin | ok, look at route -n |
| 12:40.01 | funkyHat | OpenTokix: I've waited a while as you suggested, I'm still not being prompted for a password though, http://paste2.org/p/148776 <my sudoers file |
| 12:40.03 | nsadmin | do you see the default route to that router? |
| 12:40.32 | enouf | yaa1973: see line 19 ? http://rafb.net/p/SBUk4228.html |
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| 12:40.38 | Jubei | nsadmin: yes: default 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 12:41.02 | nsadmin | cable is tight on both sides? |
| 12:41.02 | enouf | yaa1973: just sit tight for some time -- is all i can say -- this is a very transitional stage for debian |
| 12:41.17 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: looks ok to me |
| 12:41.23 | Jubei | nsadmin: but I have another one which says localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 12:41.34 | OpenTokix | funkyHat: why is this such a fuss? |
| 12:41.35 | nsadmin | huhu huhuhuhuh we both said tight huhuhuh huhuhuh |
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| 12:41.41 | Jubei | nsadmin: ofc cable is tight, lights are blinking |
| 12:41.50 | Jubei | ^^ |
| 12:42.10 | nsadmin | ok |
| 12:42.13 | Jubei | nsadmin: could that other route be the problem? |
| 12:42.14 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 12:42.16 | Jubei | nsadmin: the 2nd one? |
| 12:42.18 | nsadmin | could be |
| 12:42.26 | yaa1973 | enouf: hmm im not sure that I understoot you.. you mean.. the ftp servers are inconsistent sometimes ?? |
| 12:42.26 | nsadmin | but that's a net route |
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| 12:42.44 | enouf | yaa1973: last release, in April 2007, do you hgave any idea how many hairpulling issues were resolved via patience - waiting just for the mirrors to update entirely |
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| 12:43.02 | nsadmin | ok, what is the cicso-s idea of the 10.* netmask? |
| 12:43.29 | enouf | yaa1973: there are over 550 CD images that needed to be created and uploaded - think of the Bandwidth involved man |
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| 12:44.08 | funkyHat | OpenTokix: the issue is I'm not being prompted for a password when I sudo, I'm not really happy with that as it makes my system less secure |
| 12:44.08 | Jubei | nsadmin: i just managed to ping another device on the network ;/ hang on^^ |
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| 12:44.26 | nsadmin | you mean from .109? |
| 12:44.32 | Jubei | nsadmin: there is a good chance that the cisco guy that set it up yesterday has disabled pings from the inside) |
| 12:44.49 | Jubei | nsadmin: yea from the debian box |
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| 12:45.00 | nsadmin | ok, so try "ping yahoo.com" from .109 |
| 12:45.05 | enouf | !pong the cisco guy |
| 12:45.13 | enouf | !nuke the cisco guy |
| 12:45.14 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at the cisco guy |
| 12:45.18 | Jubei | omg Im gonnna kill the cisco guy tomorrow when I see him |
| 12:45.52 | nsadmin | Jubei so, ping yahoo.com |
| 12:45.54 | nsadmin | works? |
| 12:45.57 | Jubei | nsadmin: doesnt. |
| 12:46.03 | Jubei | nsadmin: should it? |
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| 12:46.08 | nsadmin | and it does from another device? |
| 12:46.13 | yaa1973 | enouf: im no native english speaker.. so im still not sure what you are going to tell me here. you telling me, the effect I've seen, not receiving source packages for my lil backporting project is sourced by ftp servers who are still been updated with recent/latest files ?? |
| 12:46.17 | enouf | Jubei: i think you'll find him already thoroughly cooked ;-) |
| 12:46.19 | nsadmin | not .1 but in 10* |
| 12:46.35 | nsadmin | stick a fork in him... |
| 12:46.36 | Jubei | nsadmin: i just tried pinging from this mac aand... it doesnt ping |
| 12:46.36 | nsadmin | he' |
| 12:46.39 | enouf | yaa1973: basically, yes |
| 12:46.39 | nsadmin | is done |
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| 12:47.36 | yaa1973 | enouf: ok.. uhm... what do you think..how long this would take aproximatly >> when should I retry ? 1h, 1day, 1 week ? I have no idea |
| 12:47.45 | Jubei | omg 1 hr of grief because the cisco guy decided to cut pings. omg i feel like crying |
| 12:47.48 | enouf | yaa1973: you can try aptitude, from the CLI, might give you more info; like aptitude why pkgname |
| 12:48.10 | enouf | yaa1973: try every few hours |
| 12:48.23 | yaa1973 | enouf: k thanks |
| 12:48.27 | nsadmin | Jubei: how many machines are on the internal 10*? |
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| 12:48.45 | Jubei | nsadmin: 10 pcs |
| 12:49.00 | nsadmin | all win boxes? |
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| 12:49.16 | jaggz- | what happened to xmms? I can't find it anywhere |
| 12:49.29 | themill | dpkg: tell jaggz- about xmms |
| 12:49.36 | nsadmin | theres xmms2 but it's some weird client/server thing |
| 12:49.37 | enouf | jackweb: gone with Etch |
| 12:49.47 | enouf | jaggz: gone with Etch |
| 12:49.58 | enouf | jackweb: ignore me |
| 12:50.54 | jaggz- | yeah.. xmms2 is weird |
| 12:50.58 | enouf | is the energizer bunnyy |
| 12:51.00 | jaggz- | I'm trying to use projectM |
| 12:51.02 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:51.11 | enouf | !planb |
| 12:51.31 | Jubei | nsadmin: 6 win boxes, 2 macs , a couple of phones, and a couple of win laptops |
| 12:51.34 | jaggz- | but can't find anywhere to use the visualization. it uses libvisual and I find it within amarok, but when I check the visualization for it, it unchecks itself after a few seconds |
| 12:51.39 | Jubei | nsadmin: why? |
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| 12:51.59 | nsadmin | so no debian boxes? |
| 12:52.04 | Jubei | nsadmin: just the server^^ |
| 12:52.26 | nsadmin | the server is .109? |
| 12:52.44 | Jubei | nsadmin: no I just configured it to .250 manualy. its up and runnning. just set up openssh-sever |
| 12:53.11 | nsadmin | so perhaps the dhcp client on the server is misbehaving |
| 12:53.35 | Jubei | nsadmin: no no, the dhclient is receiving an address from the correct range that's set on the router |
| 12:53.45 | Jubei | nsadmin: I just was using dhclient because |
| 12:54.11 | Jubei | nsadmin: was just using dhclient because I thought eth1 wasnt up because I couldnt ping the router |
| 12:54.26 | nsadmin | to be safe, .250 should be outside that range |
| 12:54.42 | Jubei | nsadmin: already is |
| 12:54.47 | nsadmin | so I would still like to know, what does the cisco think the 10* netmask is? |
| 12:55.25 | Jubei | nsadmin: the what netmask? u mean 10.0.0.* ? it's the internal network and for some reason the cisco guy is blocking all pings |
| 12:55.37 | Jubei | nsadmin: but just the pings. no idea why |
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| 12:56.01 | Jubei | nsadmin: everything else works as expected |
| 12:56.15 | nsadmin | so it even blocks pings not destinated for the cisco? |
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| 12:56.39 | Jubei | nsadmin: yea^^ unbelievable |
| 12:56.43 | nsadmin | like you can't ping anything from inside to outside |
| 12:56.48 | Jubei | nsadmin: yea |
| 12:56.55 | jaggz- | any of you use projectM audio visualization? |
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| 12:57.58 | nsadmin | dat's silly |
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| 12:58.30 | nsadmin | so I'm wondering... if you re-enable the dhcp client on the debian box... |
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| 12:58.45 | nsadmin | can you make outside contacts? |
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| 12:59.12 | Jubei | nsadmin: you mean if I get an ip address from the range the cisco is handing it , if it'll let me ping outside? |
| 12:59.31 | nsadmin | yes |
| 12:59.40 | nsadmin | wait, no |
| 12:59.45 | Jubei | nsadmin: nope coz this mac is from the dhcp range and it cant ping yahoo either |
| 12:59.57 | nsadmin | if it'll let you browse the web outside |
| 12:59.59 | nsadmin | not ping |
| 13:00.06 | Jubei | nsadmin: of course it does. yes |
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| 13:00.18 | nsadmin | ok, let's test that |
| 13:00.23 | hedin | how do i specify username, passwd and domain with the mount command when i will mount a windows share? |
| 13:00.56 | nsadmin | Jubei so it has .250 now? |
| 13:01.05 | Jubei | nsadmin: you mean i should run dhclient from the debian box, get an ip from the cisco and then try to browse? ... via lynx or something? |
| 13:01.10 | Jubei | nsadmin: yea it has .250 and its working fine |
| 13:01.23 | Jubei | nsadmin: apt-get and all. just cant ping -- |
| 13:01.25 | Jubei | ^^ |
| 13:01.32 | nsadmin | ok, yes, try getting a new addr from the cisco dhcp |
| 13:01.40 | Jubei | nsadmin: kk |
| 13:01.41 | nsadmin | and then try browsing |
| 13:01.45 | nsadmin | it should work |
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| 13:02.09 | nsadmin | if it does... that's a complete testing |
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| 13:02.50 | Jubei | nsadmin: tried lynx and it works fine^^ |
| 13:02.55 | nsadmin | then the only problem you have left to solve is the interface name |
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| 13:03.25 | Jubei | nsadmin: yes^^ |
| 13:03.39 | nsadmin | curious, are you workin for a company? or this is all your home stuff? |
| 13:03.55 | Jubei | nsadmin: i'm trying to set up a server for my lab at university. im in japan |
| 13:04.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 13:04.22 | daos | can anyone tell me how to install ar so I can extract .deb archives? |
| 13:04.38 | daos | I have tried apt-get install ar and I get nothing |
| 13:04.45 | nsadmin | it's -possible- there there may be upstream routers that don't allow pings |
| 13:04.57 | nsadmin | just so you know about that (silly) possiblity |
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| 13:05.29 | nsadmin | daos: ar is in binutils |
| 13:05.39 | nsadmin | wait, ar should be in the base |
| 13:06.00 | nsadmin | btw you can use dpkg to do that |
| 13:06.17 | daos | nsadmin: oh, ok will take a look :) |
| 13:06.21 | nsadmin | !find ar |
| 13:06.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ar' (15 of 1288): 2vcard ;; abiword-plugin-grammar ;; alacarte ;; alarm-clock ;; alien-arena ;; alien-arena-browser ;; alien-arena-data ;; alien-arena-server ;; alsa-firmware-loaders ;; amarok ;; amarok-common ;; amarok-dbg ;; amarok-engine-xine ;; amarok-engine-yauap ;; amarok-engines. |
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| 13:06.40 | nsadmin | !find /ar |
| 13:07.12 | Jubei | nsadmin: btw this is a cutting edge cisco ASA 5505. it's brand new. dunno why it would be cutting the pings. maybe the cisco guy did it, dunno |
| 13:07.40 | Jubei | nsadmin: anyway it's very late here so I 'm gonna continue tomorrow. thank you for the very detailed help. i really appreciate it |
| 13:07.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/ar' (7 of 30): (/etc/ark/arkglobal.cfg) in games/arkhart ;; (/etc/archmage/arch.conf) in utils/archmage ;; (/etc/armagetron) in games/armagetron-common ;; (/etc/archzoom/archzoom.conf) in devel/archzoom ;; (/etc/ara.config) in utils/ara,utils/ara-byte ;; (/etc/cron.daily/arrayprobe) in admin/arrayprobe ;; (/etc/ppp/peers/isdn/arcor) in net/pppdcapiplugin. |
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| 13:08.15 | nsadmin | !find /ar$ |
| 13:08.17 | pngwn | !tell nsadmin -about selftell |
| 13:08.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/ar' (7 of 15): (/usr/share/kvm/keymaps/ar) in misc/kvm ;; (/usr/share/qemu/keymaps/ar) in misc/qemu ;; (/usr/lib/avr/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-avr ;; (/usr/m68hc11/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/share/rdesktop/keymaps/ar) in x11/rdesktop ;; (/usr/share/Xprint/xserver/ar) in x11/xprint-common ;; (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ar) in x11/xkb-data-legacy. |
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| 13:09.49 | nsadmin | is not sure why exact matches aren't near the top |
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| 13:10.09 | nsadmin | and obscure matches near the bottom :P |
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| 13:12.48 | nsadmin | daos so ar is probably in binutils and dpkg --help will tell you all the tricks dpkg can do |
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| 13:15.49 | syllux | Hi I'm looking for the french debian channel |
| 13:15.59 | petemc | !fr |
| 13:16.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:16.04 | osFrenchDude1 | \list debian |
| 13:16.15 | osFrenchDude1 | "/list debian" |
| 13:16.40 | syllux | thx |
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| 13:18.54 | g00se | liable: That kernel increment was probably too small to be useful, but aptitude remove seems to be throwing up a couple of 'problems': http://pastebin.com/f634b4ebe |
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| 13:30.22 | jpinx | I've installed network-manager but it's not appearing in my desktop ( lxde ) and when I do sudo NetworkManager nothing happens. What do I have to do? |
| 13:30.44 | maligor | the desktop component is nm-applet |
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| 13:30.58 | jpinx | maligor: ta |
| 13:31.02 | maligor | gnome version anyway |
| 13:31.15 | maligor | NetworkManager is the system service |
| 13:31.32 | plsd | I installed openjdk-6-jre with aptitude and it installed several other packages. But when I do "aptitude purge openjdk-6-jre" it doesn't delete those other packages. How do I do that? |
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| 13:32.24 | jpinx | maligor: that gives a heap of errors like ** (nm-applet:4361): CRITICAL **: network_device_is_wireless: assertion `dev != NULL' failed |
| 13:32.26 | g00se | plsd: aptitude remove --purge openjdk-6-jre |
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| 13:32.31 | Panarchy | is back |
| 13:33.06 | Panarchy | What is the best tool to create your own .deb? |
| 13:33.09 | Panarchy | What is the best tool to create your own .deb packages? |
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| 13:33.35 | plsd | g00se, nope. the recommended packages (mostly if not all fonts I think) aren't in the list of packages that will be removed. |
| 13:33.50 | plsd | recommended as in openjdk-6-jre recommended them and they were included in the install |
| 13:34.25 | Panarchy | How do I make my own .deb [Debian] packages? |
| 13:34.44 | lummox | Hello. I have a question on the contents of the script /etc/rcS.d/S03udev. The trick for conditional execution of something, like "[ -x /sbin/udevd ] || exit 0", is used often. But you can also find an entry in the file "if [ -e /etc/udev/udev.conf ]; then . /etc/udev/udev.conf; fi". Why isnt this abbreviated as "[ -e /etc/udev/udev.conf ] && . /etc/udev/udev.conf"? |
| 13:36.08 | g00se | plsd: Maybe there are other things depending on the fonts |
| 13:36.29 | Zharf | meh, I almost forgot that I had an etch box around... |
| 13:36.38 | Zharf | most of my boxes have sid <.< |
| 13:36.39 | plsd | g00se, don't think so, they came with openjdk-6-jre |
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| 13:37.46 | ttyX | is there any graphical network configuration utility for lxde? |
| 13:37.51 | Panarchy | Is it possible to make a local repository? (local as in, just on my hard-drive, not on the internet) |
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| 13:39.45 | g00se | plsd: Could be something to do with -r/-R (man aptitude) |
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| 13:42.09 | boodie | Hi ... I finally updated to lenny ... it wasn't easy, buyt also with the help of some of you, I managed; the only thing apparently missing: no sound |
| 13:42.50 | Panarchy | connect your speakers |
| 13:42.51 | Panarchy | lol |
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| 13:42.55 | Panarchy | backports? |
| 13:43.12 | lummox | lol |
| 13:44.06 | Panarchy | Is it possible to make my own repository, locally? As in, I put all my .deb packages in one Virtual Disk, and then I can easily install it onto other Virtual Machines. Would this be possible? |
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| 13:45.49 | mib_0vca8i | apt-proxy or something similar should help you |
| 13:45.52 | mib_0vca8i | !apt-proxy |
| 13:45.53 | dpkg | somebody said apt-proxy was a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package |
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| 13:46.27 | draeath | whats the 'proper' way to install the build-deps for something, but not actually download the target? |
| 13:46.45 | draeath | (I want to grab all the deps, so I can build from my own tarball, without going dependency hunting) |
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| 13:47.26 | draeath | (asking ahead of time, i'm still in the installer) |
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| 13:47.48 | aburch | draeath: apt-get build-dep [package] |
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| 13:48.26 | draeath | aburch: do those packages stick around? last I tried that it was in ubuntu, and from my memory, they were marked as auto and aptitude wanted to kill them later |
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| 13:48.47 | draeath | else I guess i could cancel the confirm and turn around and install the packages that would output |
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| 13:49.26 | aburch | Panarchy: For handling your own packages in a repository take a look at reprepro or apt-ftparchive. |
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| 13:49.45 | J-roen | Hi. I'd like to view detailed information about md5sum. 'man md5sum' says: "The full documentation for md5sum is maintained as a Texinfo manual. 'info md5sum' should give you access to the complete manual." But when I run 'info md5sum', I get the exact same page. What can I do to view the complete manual? |
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| 13:51.22 | aburch | draeath: They seem to stay around here. |
| 13:51.25 | Panarchy | Thanks aburch |
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| 13:51.30 | draeath | aburch: thanks a bunch |
| 13:51.45 | J-roen | draeath: :D |
| 13:52.13 | draeath | hates 'info' |
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| 13:52.32 | draeath | also hates scons (when make is perfectly fine) ;) |
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| 13:53.21 | Panarchy | Can I please have a recommendation of a tool (haven't tried checkinstall yet, so don't know if it can do this) that can create .deb's from source code (./configure, make, make install/checkinstall) but which can also allow me to put in my name (as Maintainer) and a Description? |
| 13:53.36 | draeath | Panarchy: dh-make |
| 13:54.10 | draeath | Panarchy: only used it one-shot in a tutorial though, so i couldn't help you use it |
| 13:54.14 | streuner | heh |
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| 13:56.46 | Panarchy | thanks draeath... |
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| 13:57.41 | OpenTokix | What is really the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 13:57.50 | themill | OpenTokix: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 13:57.57 | OpenTokix | thx |
| 13:58.12 | jpinx | I'm using lxde and need a wireless network manager. wicd is only available in debian testing and I'm on stable. Any suggestions? |
| 13:58.23 | draeath | lol, i typoed aand dpkg said "i don't know" |
| 13:58.31 | OpenTokix | themill: the short answer is: It's awesome =) |
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| 13:58.57 | draeath | i have a hard time finding a given package.... |
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| 13:59.18 | iskorpt | hello |
| 13:59.19 | draeath | in aptitude, can you find a given package name exactly, rather than searching for it as a keyword? |
| 13:59.22 | SunnyDP | draeath: sudo apt-cache search "package-name" |
| 13:59.30 | draeath | example, typing linux- a million times to get to it |
| 13:59.39 | draeath | I mean inside aptitude, browsing around etc |
| 13:59.42 | iskorpt | From where I could download mysql 5.0.45 for debian ? |
| 13:59.52 | draeath | hitting /-enter a million times gets old |
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| 14:00.25 | themill | iskorpt: 5.0.51 is in lenny and on backports.org for etch. Is that good enough for you? |
| 14:00.51 | iskorpt | themill: I need only 5.0.45, do you know where I could download it ? |
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| 14:01.09 | themill | iskorpt: etch or lenny? |
| 14:01.12 | draeath | wonders why would you need a SPECIFIC version |
| 14:01.15 | iskorpt | themill: lenny |
| 14:01.31 | themill | iskorpt: so what's wrong with 5.0.51 that's in lenny? |
| 14:01.37 | iskorpt | lenny/sid |
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| 14:02.17 | iskorpt | themill: nothing is wrong, another server with centos is running newer version of mysql, but I can't do anything on it, cause its production, so the only choise is to find 5.0.45 for debian if there is any |
| 14:02.19 | themill | iskorpt: lenny or squeeze/sid? |
| 14:02.26 | iskorpt | themill: lenny/sid |
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| 14:02.38 | themill | iskorpt: there's no such thing any more... |
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| 14:02.48 | iskorpt | themill: why u so sure ? |
| 14:02.51 | nuxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.54 | nuxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.55 | Panarchy | goes back to researching packaging of tools from my linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] |
| 14:02.56 | draeath | iskorpt: something preventing you from building it? |
| 14:02.57 | nuxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.58 | nuxis | mhh =/ |
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| 14:03.06 | iskorpt | draeath: time |
| 14:03.11 | draeath | nexis: |
| 14:03.23 | draeath | nexis use rootnoverify (hd#,#) |
| 14:03.28 | draeath | then chainloader +1 |
| 14:03.42 | morex | Hi I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction with this. I'm getting a lot of messages like this in my syslog: |
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| 14:03.52 | morex | ntop[1630]: **WARNING** packet truncated (8754->8232) |
| 14:04.02 | themill | iskorpt: lenny has just released; squeeze is now testing. base-files has not yet been updated to show squeeze/sid in the debian version, but there is no such thing as lenny/sid any more, unless you have a broken box, that is. |
| 14:04.04 | morex | I'm not sure how to diagnose further, or even what this means... |
| 14:04.09 | dmarkey | anyone any tips on improving apache/php performance on a sparc t1000 |
| 14:04.20 | draeath | nuxis: yes, change root to rootnoverify |
| 14:04.28 | dukez_ | dmarkey> prefork ? |
| 14:04.29 | nuxis | draeath: Kaj will try that, thanks. |
| 14:04.30 | draeath | nuxis: it's complaining because grub can't read the ntfs |
| 14:04.39 | nuxis | aah (: |
| 14:05.07 | iskorpt | themill: thanks man |
| 14:05.08 | dmarkey | dukez_: well its the generation of php pages(mediawiki) that are the bottleneck, how can i improve that |
| 14:05.09 | nuxis | draeath: gonna reboot, let's try it (: |
| 14:05.32 | dukez_ | dmarkey> if you are using apache prefork + mod_php, switch to apache mpm + fastchi gateway + php cli and u'll get + 10% througoutput ( General stat ) |
| 14:05.43 | dukez_ | dmarkey> what is your perf bottleneck ? |
| 14:05.56 | dmarkey | dukez_: dunno, how can i find that out |
| 14:06.12 | draeath | dmarkey: dukez meant 'fastcgi' not 'fastchi' i think |
| 14:06.19 | dukez_ | dmarkey> just sit in front of your server and pray the lords for a sign |
| 14:06.29 | dukez_ | ^^^ |
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| 14:06.37 | catmando | hey all |
| 14:06.40 | draeath | answers by making your power fail |
| 14:06.52 | SunnyDP | LOL :P |
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| 14:07.03 | dukez_ | dmarkey> hmmmmm server CPU %, mémory %, i/o % ? |
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| 14:07.07 | catmando | quick question |
| 14:07.17 | draeath | Yes, your new bottleneck is a lack of electron movement ;) |
| 14:07.26 | jpinx | is wicd stable and problem-free in lenny? |
| 14:07.29 | draeath | catmando: ask |
| 14:07.40 | catmando | (i hope this isn't too dumb) - is a driver for Xorg 7.1 ever going to work with 7.3? |
| 14:07.55 | draeath | jpinx: it worked when I tried it, but it was a little clunkly (or just departed from what i know/expect) |
| 14:08.04 | dmarkey | hmm.. |
| 14:08.06 | dukez_ | dmarkey> what did u want to tune on our Mediawiki ? |
| 14:08.17 | dmarkey | dukez_: huh? |
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| 14:08.45 | draeath | any luck nuxis |
| 14:08.47 | nuxis | Still not working, error 21 again . |
| 14:08.47 | dukez_ | dmarkey> perhaps shoudl you consider split your services on different servers ? |
| 14:08.47 | nicklas1 | hello |
| 14:09.01 | dukez_ | dmarkey> is your server have to much charges |
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| 14:09.06 | dmarkey | dukez_: no, only a handful mof users will be using this |
| 14:09.07 | nuxis | But gimme a sec draeath gonna log on my laptop . else I'm rejoinen the channgel eacht time (: |
| 14:09.14 | draeath | hrm. got your numbering right? have you tried avoiding all that complications? |
| 14:09.19 | jpinx | draeath: thanks - what install method is best? Direct from the wicd.net repository or...? |
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| 14:09.22 | dukez_ | dmarkey> if it is a page loading time, try to setup content compression |
| 14:09.28 | nicklas1 | anyone using debian on the eee pc? |
| 14:09.34 | draeath | nuxis: also, you may need to not provide the partition number. perhaps (hd1) for instance? |
| 14:09.40 | jpinx | nicklas1: yes |
| 14:09.53 | catmando | it was dumb then... |
| 14:09.58 | nicklas1 | i wanna know if the new debian has out of the box support for the eee pc? |
| 14:09.59 | dukez_ | dmarkey> does your server is publically availble ? |
| 14:10.03 | draeath | jpinx: wait... nevermind. that was on slackware. i have no idea if it works in lenny |
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| 14:10.09 | nicklas1 | jpinx: how is that working for you? |
| 14:10.14 | nuxis | draeath: Any other ideas ? |
| 14:10.15 | draeath | nuxis: also, you may need to not provide the partition number. perhaps (hd1) for instance? |
| 14:10.24 | draeath | since grub is passing on to the windows MBR |
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| 14:10.38 | nuxis | mhh .. true kaj let's change that (: draeath |
| 14:10.43 | jpinx | nicklas1: no it hasn't - you need to join #debian-eeepc |
| 14:10.44 | dmarkey | dukez_: nope |
| 14:10.48 | draeath | nuxis: remember you can edit your grub cmdline on the fly... |
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| 14:11.08 | draeath | nicklas1: running easy-peasy here. built of ubuntu though |
| 14:11.10 | nuxis | yea I know but don't have much expierence with grub commandline (: |
| 14:11.11 | draeath | nicklas1: but it WORKS |
| 14:11.23 | draeath | beautifully |
| 14:11.26 | jpinx | nicklas1: it works a treat once you tune it and keep the packages to minimum |
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| 14:11.34 | nicklas1 | jpinx: ok, what is the problems? and what is good with it? im running pardus right now? |
| 14:11.46 | dukez_ | dmarkey> if your servers is having load currently can you paste 2/3 lines of vmstats ? iostats -xk 1 ? uptime ? etc ... ? |
| 14:11.57 | nicklas1 | jpinx: no problem for me, since i have the eee 900 with 16 gig ssd |
| 14:12.13 | draeath | nicklas1: don't be jealous, i have the 1000 with 40gb |
| 14:12.22 | nicklas1 | lol |
| 14:12.24 | dukez_ | dmarkey> you can tune somemany thing ... the network stack, apache, dns, php |
| 14:12.27 | dukez_ | mysql |
| 14:12.29 | dukez_ | etc .... |
| 14:12.29 | nicklas1 | i want the 901 |
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| 14:12.40 | jpinx | nicklas1: then you can go for broke - I'm on a basic 700 with 4 gb |
| 14:12.47 | draeath | ah time to hit the sack, if i plan on waking before sunset :/ |
| 14:12.49 | nuxis | draeath: Still the same error. |
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| 14:12.54 | nicklas1 | the 901 has awesome battery life |
| 14:12.54 | dukez_ | to don't simply ask how can i try to make a goat looks like a horse |
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| 14:12.59 | draeath | nuxis: hrm im not sure exactly what your issue is. |
| 14:13.04 | dukez_ | so* |
| 14:13.04 | nicklas1 | hmm ok |
| 14:13.20 | draeath | nuxis: i saw you ask in ##linux, try again there. this is a more general linux question than debian ;) |
| 14:13.27 | nuxis | draeath: probbably it's something stupid I'm overlooking, gonna try to leave the map command out. |
| 14:13.34 | jpinx | nicklas1: go over to #debian-eeepc and read the debian wiki on the eeepc - there's a special .iso for the tailored eeepc installer |
| 14:13.35 | draeath | yea, keep it simple |
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| 14:13.44 | nuxis | draeath: I know (= thanks will try there again if the map removemend doesnt help . |
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| 14:13.52 | draeath | just the rootnoverify, chainloader +1 (or is it chainload?), and boot. |
| 14:13.56 | nicklas1 | then maybe debian isnt the distributuion for me and my eee 900.... i want the distribution to work out of the box.... and to be fast, stable and powerful, pardus has all that, hmm |
| 14:14.11 | draeath | nicklas1: try easy-peasy. really. |
| 14:14.13 | liable | nicklas1: uh, it does just work.. |
| 14:14.17 | nuxis | draeath: chainload .. will try that one too. Thanks for your help (= |
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| 14:14.32 | draeath | nuxis: welcome. good luck! |
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| 14:14.49 | nicklas1 | dont like the interface in easy peasy |
| 14:14.56 | draeath | nicklas1: then turn it off / uninstall it... |
| 14:15.03 | draeath | nicklas1: i assume you mean the netbook launcher? |
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| 14:15.10 | nicklas1 | draeath: yup |
| 14:15.24 | draeath | that's entirely optional, and the wiki guide has instructions on getting a normal desktop |
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| 14:15.33 | jpinx | morning liable - still getting connected here;) |
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| 14:15.46 | Panarchy | I've written two topics, on two different forums | Here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=35836 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1072332 | Please try and reply to one of them, telling me your advice on the subject ("Creating .deb packages, quickly, including description, dependencies, version number, tool name & maintainers name") Thanks in advance! |
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| 14:15.50 | johndo | hi |
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| 14:15.52 | liable | nicklas1: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 14:15.55 | nicklas1 | i prefer a regular distribution, not a netbook one... because of upgrade |
| 14:16.09 | draeath | its not a netbook one. |
| 14:16.14 | johndo | what do you recommend to clone a filesystem, cp -a or tar cf -|tar xpf - ? |
| 14:16.21 | draeath | its ubuntu, with a eeepc specific kernel, and lightweight default install |
| 14:16.27 | jpinx | but no gui manager fro lxde unless I install wicd from sid ( I'm on lenny) |
| 14:16.29 | draeath | i have all normal ubuntu repos on it and everything |
| 14:16.54 | draeath | nicklas1: also, see here: http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/wiki/index.php5?title=How_to_use_Regular_Desktop_mode_instead_of_the_Netbook_Interface_mode |
| 14:16.56 | liable | nicklas1: the installer for the eee, is regular debian, we just preseed it and supply extra modules for eee hardware |
| 14:17.03 | draeath | before this gets kicked out of #debian ;) |
| 14:17.11 | nicklas1 | so, if i install regular debian 5 with net installation on my eee 900, and select the laptop package? when i start it up the hotkeys wont work from the start? and cpu scaling and such? |
| 14:17.34 | draeath | nicklas1: you'll probably need a custom kernel for all that.... |
| 14:17.38 | abrotman | !tell nicklas1 about eeepc |
| 14:18.01 | liable | jpinx: so get the wicd package from sid. i believe the wicd guys have a repo for lenny |
| 14:18.08 | jpinx | nicklas1: you *really* need to be in #debian-eeepc |
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| 14:18.33 | draeath | alright im out of here |
| 14:18.33 | jpinx | liable: is it safe? (tm) |
| 14:18.36 | draeath | time to go |
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| 14:18.53 | liable | jpinx: apparently. i dont use it |
| 14:18.53 | SunnyDP | later dreath |
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| 14:19.01 | henhir | Hello there, whats the debian way to have multiheads on lenny(with wmii)? |
| 14:19.17 | jpinx | liable: ok |
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| 14:21.29 | slacker_nl | hello, does unix have an equivalent to the ndd commando on solaris? |
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| 14:22.05 | slacker_nl | does linux .. since solaris is unix ;) |
| 14:22.21 | johndo | any commenta about using 'cp -a' vs. tar to clone an ext3 filesystem to a new disk? |
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| 14:26.07 | linuksamiko | hej everyone! I have a huge problem for a few days now. My ldconfig won't do anything at all. Which means also I can't finisch the update-process of the package libc6. ldconfig stucks right at the point: Processing triggers for libc6 ... |
| 14:26.08 | linuksamiko | ldconfig deferred processing now taking place |
| 14:26.17 | johndo | slacker_nl: not sure about a tool, but you can use /etc/sysctl.conf to set driver params under linux |
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| 14:26.28 | johndo | or use the /sys and /proc filesystems directly |
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| 14:29.05 | plsd | g00se_, found the solution. "aptitude -o Aptitude::Purge-Unused=true" purges packages that are no longer required by any installed package. |
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| 14:30.14 | lummox | aptitude got a strange way to set options |
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| 14:30.33 | liable | yep, its syntax is a bit unusual |
| 14:30.43 | plsd | lummox, you can do --purge-unused too :) |
| 14:30.48 | lummox | :P |
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| 14:32.04 | yeti | do i need to change my /etc/apt/sources.list now that lenny is released? i am using sid |
| 14:32.33 | plsd | yeti, sid is always sid |
| 14:32.54 | OpenTokix | yeti: no |
| 14:32.55 | yeti | plsd: yea, so maybe i should change it to lenny now that its official |
| 14:33.04 | pbn | Hi, on a VIA EPIA mainboard, X won't start. I installed xserver-xorg-video-via and X still won't start when I do invoke-rc.d kdm restart ... any idea ? |
| 14:33.08 | plsd | yeti, don't think you can go back like that. |
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| 14:33.42 | dubphil | Hello, I'm trying to upgrade etch -> lenny and i face this error : http://pastebin.com/d14c29121 ? any idea how to resolve this ? |
| 14:33.47 | jackweb | I need to have GLIB, what package from aptitude am I to install? |
| 14:33.49 | yeti | plsd: i guess it'll be fine, i've had good luck with sid so far |
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| 14:34.32 | stoffell | dubphil, did you follow the recommended upgrade-path ? |
| 14:34.33 | linuksamiko | Aren't no ldconfig experts here? |
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| 14:34.46 | abrotman | jackweb: that's not really the error .. you mean libc6-dev perhaps ? |
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| 14:35.02 | jackweb | abrotman: ok, thanks. :) |
| 14:35.37 | dubphil | stoffell: I have search an upgrade doc but I haven't find it |
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| 14:35.50 | jackweb | Uhm... but I have got it. |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | jackweb: then give us the real error |
| 14:36.23 | naitram | I am running a script as post install for debian installer. Script needs to run as su. Is there a switch to supply the password on the command line? |
| 14:36.25 | jackweb | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.16.1... no |
| 14:36.34 | lummox | linkslice, maybe by tracing the calls that ldconfig does you can figure out where it gets stuck :D |
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| 14:36.52 | abrotman | jackweb: apt-cache show libglib-2.0 .. see which version it is |
| 14:36.59 | jackweb | Ok.. |
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| 14:37.21 | jackweb | abrotman: not found |
| 14:37.26 | lummox | linuksamiko, maybe by tracing the calls that ldconfig does you can figure out where it gets stuck :D |
| 14:37.47 | jackweb | I tried to download glib-source. Am I to compile it? |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | jackweb: libglib2.0-0 .. sorry |
| 14:38.12 | jackweb | Ok.. |
| 14:38.25 | abrotman | jackweb: so you probably want libglib2.0-0-dev |
| 14:38.30 | linuksamiko | lummox: that is one of my biggest problems, nothing is happening at all. Not even if I try to start it by itself |
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| 14:39.44 | jackweb | abrotman: yeah, aptituding in progress :) |
| 14:39.56 | jackweb | Thanks. :) |
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| 14:40.40 | stoffell | dubphil, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 14:41.18 | jackweb | checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.12.5... no |
| 14:41.32 | jackweb | There are a lots of packages in repository. Which one am I to install? |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | jackweb: hint .. `apt-cache -- search libgtk -dev |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | ` |
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| 14:42.42 | jaggz | what's with all the fakeroot options given to apps? |
| 14:42.52 | jaggz | I'm trying to compile amarok |
| 14:42.54 | lummox | linuksamiko, Maybe doing "strace -o test.txt /sbin/ldconfig" and then when you think ldconfig might be stuck, you stop the process, look at test.txt to see the last systems calls before it got stuck. |
| 14:42.59 | jaggz | but I can't find docs which specify how to do it |
| 14:43.17 | jackweb | abrotman: everything? |
| 14:44.05 | jackweb | libgtk2.0-dev probably |
| 14:44.35 | jelly | jackweb: what are you trying to build? |
| 14:44.42 | jackweb | GIMP, the latest version. :) |
| 14:44.55 | js_ | isn't there a safe way to build a custom kernel? i mean the installer makes an initrd and so on perfectly |
| 14:45.01 | jelly | jackweb: which debian release? |
| 14:45.05 | js_ | i need a kernel with high resolution times and so on |
| 14:45.20 | jackweb | jelly: uhm.. testing? :D |
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| 14:45.37 | linuksamiko | lummox: I ran it twice and both times it stoped here: |
| 14:45.39 | linuksamiko | open("/usr/lib/libglibmm-2.4.so.1", O_RDONLY) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) |
| 14:45.45 | lummox | hm |
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| 14:46.28 | jaggz | have to go |
| 14:46.31 | jelly | jackweb: "apt-get build-dep gimp" will get all the -dev packages needed when Debian builds it |
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| 14:46.44 | nuxis | d |
| 14:46.54 | dubphil | stoffell: thanks a lot ! I will restore my system and give a try with this doc in mind :) |
| 14:47.11 | jackweb | jelly: yeah, thanks. :D |
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| 14:47.27 | lummox | linuksamiko, Does this line appear more than once in the test.txt? And does ERESTARTSYS occur more than once in the whole file? |
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| 14:47.42 | henhir | How to add multihead support |
| 14:47.48 | jelly | jackweb: debian unstable already has 2.6.5; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:49.27 | jackweb | jelly: I'm afraid to use sid. :) |
| 14:49.27 | jackweb | But thanks. :) |
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| 14:49.33 | jelly | jackweb: I didn't tell you to use sid, so that's all right. |
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| 14:49.52 | linuksamiko | lummox: the line appears only once and ERESTARTSYS also occurs only once |
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| 14:50.33 | jackweb | jelly: :), ah.. yeah |
| 14:50.46 | lummox | linkslice, Does ldconfig exit itself or does it freeze? |
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| 14:51.50 | linuksamiko | lummox: I don't think freezes it looks more like it just stops. But it certainly won't exit |
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| 14:52.49 | lummox | I dont understand why it says open returns "?", like strace doesnt know what was returned. And RESTARTSYS isnt described as error in the man page of open either. |
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| 14:54.12 | linuksamiko | That's why I don't think it's freezing it looks to me it is awaiting something. A missing file or something like that |
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| 14:55.09 | lummox | Maybe it is stuck within open() and as you push CTRL+C open cannot be finished and hence strace cannot know the return value, or so. Maybe the file cannot be opened. |
| 14:55.29 | lummox | I would try to temporarily move the file to somewhere else to see if it depends on the file. |
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| 14:56.06 | lummox | maybe some kernel developers could know the answer in 1 second :D |
| 14:56.11 | lummox | I am only a Linux beginner |
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| 14:57.16 | linuksamiko | lummox: I will try this. Thanks so far |
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| 14:57.43 | intheboat | bonjour |
| 14:58.11 | abrotman | ACK .. FRENCH! |
| 14:58.30 | rdz | enouf, sorry.. i got distracted from work here... i didn't understant the last thing you said about how lvm / lilo.conf / usb external drive are related to my problem. can you tell me in clear words, what i should write into /etc/lilo.conf? or isn't there a clear and simple solution? |
| 14:58.44 | rdz | and is there a way to reliably test my setup _before_ rebooting? |
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| 15:00.54 | lummox | linuksamiko, http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.0/0743.html |
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| 15:02.43 | pm2 | Hi - I'm running Linux on some SPARC boxes. I have about 20 sparcs (sunblade 150's) and I'd like to try to network boot them somehow. All of the docs I'm finding online seem to make use of syslinux, which is x86 only. Any advice on how to make a PXE boot image for a Sparc? |
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| 15:03.28 | linuksamiko | lummox: you made my day :-D I found the problem. When I wanted to rename the file (as you said) I realised that there was some broken link. I linked it again and everything works fine now :-D |
| 15:04.00 | lummox | linuksamiko, cool, thanks for the info :D |
| 15:04.06 | linuksamiko | lummox: thx alot If you hadn't given me that help I probably would have never found the problem |
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| 15:04.20 | lummox | if I had some blog I would write it down there so that others dont have the same problem |
| 15:04.38 | jackweb | Argh... there are some errors with compiling GIMP. :> |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | pirates! |
| 15:05.21 | Renfie|d | I've just upgraded to Debian 5, and GDM no longer works. |
| 15:05.37 | lummox | linuksamiko, was it a hard link? |
| 15:05.48 | linuksamiko | lummox: I posted this question a few days ago on ubunutforums.org I certainly write it down there |
| 15:05.55 | lummox | good =) |
| 15:06.18 | linuksamiko | lummox: I think it was but I'm not sure |
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| 15:06.29 | Renfie|d | X starts up, but then shuts down, then up again, then down, eventually a dialog box pops up stating the the greeter application keeps crashing, and that it is attempting to use another. Its attempt also fails. |
| 15:06.53 | OpenTokix | Renfie|d: your xserver is borken, probaly wrong driver for videocard |
| 15:07.00 | Renfie|d | I've looked at /var/log/gdm/:0.log, but the only messages in there are for X, but X is working fine. |
| 15:07.06 | Renfie|d | OpenTokix No, X is fine. I'm in it now. |
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| 15:07.13 | Renfie|d | startx works. |
| 15:07.18 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 15:07.52 | Renfie|d | It does mention that it is reverting to software rendering, but I can fix that later. Don't need accelerated 3D for day-to-day work. |
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| 15:08.24 | Renfie|d | Is there a way to get more verbose messages out of GDM? |
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| 15:09.09 | Renfie|d | Also odd is that when I start gdm, I do see the gdm processes via ps. |
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| 15:09.37 | Renfie|d | So it doesn't seem like it is crashing, maybe it doesn't have permissions to the X display? |
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| 15:10.11 | rdz | hi all. when booting stops because of fsck.ext3, is the reason for that logged anywhere? |
| 15:10.12 | Rokstead2 | I've got a Sun Fire X4150 server which installs fine but can't find root filesystem after boot... anyone else using X4150? (Sun STK RAID INT raid...) |
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| 15:10.40 | abrotman | Rokstead2: i think there's a bit in the release notes about this |
| 15:11.01 | mikala | hi |
| 15:11.10 | mikala | GiRL[23] is spamming. |
| 15:11.29 | Rokstead2 | abrotman: really? I haven't been able to find much at all so far, brb |
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| 15:12.03 | abrotman | tomaw: @88.241.111.253 spammer |
| 15:12.09 | Renfie|d | The only GDM messages I can find are in both syslog and daemon.log: gdm[28471]: Gtk-WARNING: Ignoring the separator setting |
| 15:12.11 | prxtien | hey all, ive got a big long string like blah;blah;blah;blah, i want to write each seperate text portion between the ; into a file, on a seperate line, what could i use to do that? |
| 15:12.14 | abrotman | wonders if he should tell stew too ... |
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| 15:12.26 | abrotman | prxtien: sed |
| 15:12.33 | Renfie|d | Any suggestions on what I can try to get this working? |
| 15:12.33 | IndyGunFreak | where can i download a 5.0 live CD? gnome preferrably |
| 15:12.46 | IndyGunFreak | there's like 30 cd images on the debian site |
| 15:12.49 | prxtien | thanks mate let me check out the man page |
| 15:12.56 | Rokstead2 | abrotman: do you have any hints to get me closer to those notes (if they do exist)? |
| 15:12.57 | abrotman | IndyGunFreak: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/ |
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| 15:13.10 | IndyGunFreak | abrotman: thanks. |
| 15:13.12 | nuxis | debian has a live cd ! :o |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | for awhile |
| 15:13.23 | nuxis | didn't know that :/ |
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| 15:13.48 | Rokstead2 | abrotman: I found it in the 5.0 release notes, I'm on 4.0 ... |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | ah .. okay |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | Rokstead2: tried mucking with grub to look for valid partitions to boot from ? |
| 15:14.50 | Rokstead2 | I will do that now. |
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| 15:15.28 | g00se_ | prxtien: echo $bigstring | tr ';' '\n' >thefile |
| 15:16.08 | Rokstead2 | abrotman: succes, it was looking for /dev/sdb1, changing to sda1 works fine. brb! |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | Rokstead2: you might want to change grub to boot via UUID instead |
| 15:16.38 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 15:16.39 | dpkg | [uuid] a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions (among other things). See currently-known partition UUIDs with "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid". In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst as use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. This helps cope with device name changes such as changing from hda to sda (libata transition) or changes in the order in which USB disks are discovered. |
| 15:17.35 | prxtien | thanks mate |
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| 15:20.02 | OpenTokix | Can someone explain why one would use uuid instead of LABEL= |
| 15:20.03 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 15:20.30 | g00se_ | OpenTokix: Coz some partitions don't support labels |
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| 15:20.58 | twobitsprite | for some reason, my syslog seems to be restarting every day at around 6:00am... |
| 15:21.07 | OpenTokix | twobitsprite: cron.daily |
| 15:21.19 | lord_rob | what's that "by-uuid" thing ? |
| 15:21.22 | abrotman | twobitsprite: your log is getting rotated |
| 15:21.34 | abrotman | lord_rob: it's a file in /dev/disk/ |
| 15:21.35 | lord_rob | ls -l /dev/sda1/by-uuid ? |
| 15:21.47 | twobitsprite | OpenTokix: ahh, thanks |
| 15:21.54 | twobitsprite | abrotman: yeah, that makes sense... thanks |
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| 15:22.49 | IndyGunFreak | so if lenny is now stable, what are they now calling the unstable testing version? or is there one yet |
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| 15:23.10 | lord_rob | I don't use UUID but still, isn't it possible possible to know the uuid of my partitions ? |
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| 15:23.38 | abrotman | lord_rob: it tells you where to look |
| 15:23.42 | g00se_ | lord_rob: find /dev/disk |
| 15:23.48 | abrotman | IndyGunFreak: testing is now squeeze, unstable is always sid |
| 15:23.50 | twobitsprite | ohh wow... I didn't even notice lenny got released... congratz to everyone involved! :) |
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| 15:24.13 | IndyGunFreak | abrotman: oh ok.. thanks.. didn't knwo that about sid. |
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| 15:25.10 | twobitsprite | bring on the breakage! :) |
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| 15:26.31 | lord_rob | ah I see thanks abrotman and g00se_ , it is udev right ? |
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| 15:27.40 | g00se_ | lord_rob: Yes |
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| 15:29.07 | cusco | hi |
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| 15:29.29 | cusco | XeLeRoN: |
| 15:29.38 | cusco | !ops XeLeRoN is a spammer on join |
| 15:29.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cusco complains about: XeLeRoN is a spammer on join |
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| 15:30.41 | stew | cusco: thanks |
| 15:31.06 | cusco | thank you |
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| 15:31.25 | liable | stew: why do you bother cycling when you get that call? onjoin bots dont spam every join. just wondering. |
| 15:32.25 | cusco | I am upgrading from etch to lenny and I am seen packages beeing prepared that I don't want like gnome stuff or libgtk... its a server o.O |
| 15:32.31 | nightglider28 | Morn. |
| 15:32.40 | stew | liable: they do seem to spam every join, and I really don't want to create the situation where someone can get someone else banned just by saying something in channel |
| 15:32.47 | nightglider28 | Ick. |
| 15:32.56 | nightglider28 | Gnome deps are a huge pain in the ass. |
| 15:33.36 | liable | stew: hmm, i used to cycle when people did it a while back and didnt get it every time |
| 15:33.52 | nightglider28 | Half the charges against TPB have been dropped. :P |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | liable: there was one set of bots that was only able to hit like the first 10 letters of the alphabet |
| 15:34.04 | lord_rob | cire: do you have connection problems ? |
| 15:34.15 | jamon | nightglider28: yay, so they only have to pay out 8 million if they loose :p |
| 15:34.22 | nightglider28 | jamon: :P |
| 15:34.35 | liable | abrotman: so you agree that bots always spam every join now? |
| 15:35.23 | abrotman | liable: how about you test it next time .. and make sure you have the unreg-user-msg stuff off |
| 15:36.00 | liable | abrotman: um, you didnt really answer the question.. |
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| 15:36.18 | abrotman | liable: i can't tell you .. you can't tell me if you have the +6 or whatever it is these days turned on |
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| 15:36.59 | liable | right, so you cant say it happens all the time.. |
| 15:37.09 | liable | thats all i wanted to know |
| 15:37.14 | abrotman | not if you ahve the option enabled .. duh .. |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | apparently rocket scientists grow on trees in australia |
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| 15:37.35 | ldp_ | hah |
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| 15:37.57 | liable | abrotman: you like to troll me, which is very nfair now your an op. |
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| 15:38.18 | abrotman | that was hardly a troll at all |
| 15:38.20 | jamon | ah excellent, got my daily dose of high drama from #debian already today |
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| 15:38.38 | abrotman | i think it's pretty obvious that if you don't allow msg from unregistered people that you won't get a msg from an unregistered bot |
| 15:39.09 | liable | abrotman: and you still havent confirmed that spambots will /msg *every* join |
| 15:39.09 | Kobaz | how would i set the ntp server to always be authorative based on local time (ie: i don't need an internet connection to verify the correct time for ntp clients) |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | liable: AFAICT, they do |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | for those that don't have that option |
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| 15:39.47 | mespejel | hi |
| 15:40.10 | mespejel | if want to try debian on a vmware |
| 15:40.13 | mespejel | virtual machine |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:40.30 | mespejel | do i need swap partition? or does not mater |
| 15:40.32 | mespejel | matter |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | probably should have one unless oyu're giving your vm a bunch of RAM |
| 15:41.35 | mespejel | well not to much.. i have 4gb.. i may give 2gb for debian |
| 15:41.36 | mespejel | is that ok? |
| 15:41.47 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 15:41.48 | lummox | more than enough :D |
| 15:41.51 | mespejel | ok |
| 15:41.54 | mespejel | thx |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | you can also use a swap file if you need to create swap later |
| 15:42.04 | mespejel | i see |
| 15:42.06 | mespejel | is that easy? |
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| 15:43.27 | mespejel | i like easy stuff:) |
| 15:44.00 | mespejel | macintosh is making me dumb lol |
| 15:44.22 | abrotman | if it's just for testing, oyu'll be fine |
| 15:44.31 | mespejel | ok |
| 15:44.36 | mespejel | see you later thanks |
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| 15:49.06 | mpe | does anyone know where I can find the documentation for tasksel as represented in the preseed file? |
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| 15:49.30 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | @seen |
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| 15:49.53 | vilemaxim | Can you/how does one slow down a process? Nice won't work. I'm trying to dd a drive to another drive, but the drive is failing. If I copy to fast, the system drop it (usb) and I have to wait a little while before putting back on the system. If I copy slowly, it doesn't fail. I grab the most important data off the drive, but now I'm going for everything using a dd. Does anyone know how to slow down a process? |
| 15:49.54 | liable | mpe: what do you mean? |
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| 15:50.51 | mpe | liable: so through, trial and error, I found that "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect" was the only way to get just the base system |
| 15:51.23 | liable | mpe: you have seen the appendix in the manual? |
| 15:51.23 | vilemaxim | rsync allows you to pass a bandwidth argument, which was a real help, but dd, ddrescue or myrescue don't have anything like that |
| 15:51.25 | mpe | not setting one, and even the "standard" install installed an X install |
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| 15:52.08 | liable | mpe: the appendix basically just links to various peoples preseed file, but it doesnt help? |
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| 15:52.30 | mpe | I haven't looked at the appendix in detail. I'll check it out. |
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| 15:54.02 | liable | ooh, debian.org has a shiny new image on the main page |
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| 15:55.23 | Heavy-D | Anybody have any recommendations for network attached storage devices to looik at? I'm trying to compare all my options. What do you guys use? |
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| 15:56.52 | Kevin` | where are the live cd/usb images for lenny? |
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| 15:57.26 | SunnyDP | Kevin`: you mean CD! ? |
| 15:57.28 | iskorpt | Heavy-D: I personally use cheap pc with 4 big hard drives |
| 15:57.29 | SunnyDP | CD! |
| 15:57.54 | liable | mpe: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
| 15:58.04 | mpe | liable: I looked at the tasksel section again, and it shows some examples, but doesn't explain the syntax of the command itself. I was just wondering what the meaning of "first" is, and why "multiselect" needs to be specified in the absence of packages. |
| 15:58.07 | Kevin` | SunnyDP: the news thing said there were official livecd images |
| 15:58.13 | Heavy-D | iskorpt: Cool, thanks for your input |
| 15:58.42 | mpe | I basically just want to see the required parameters for each entry in the preseed file so that I can do some semi-automated testing |
| 15:59.00 | eoke | Heavy-D: I use an ITX based system with two RAID1 disks and 1 EXTUSB disk for backup. |
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| 15:59.32 | SunnyDP | Kevin`: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO |
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| 15:59.36 | SunnyDP | have you looked here |
| 15:59.38 | sarmisak | hi all |
| 15:59.45 | liable | mpe: what are you trying to do? preseed options are fairly limited when it comes to package selection. |
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| 16:00.01 | hark | Kevin`: /msg dpkg live |
| 16:00.09 | Kevin` | thanks |
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| 16:01.26 | sarmisak | has anyone tried upgrading a server from etch to lenny? |
| 16:01.43 | Zharf | I just did a few hours ago |
| 16:01.50 | sarmisak | any problems? |
| 16:02.02 | abrotman | ask me in five minutes :) |
| 16:02.02 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: yes |
| 16:02.06 | mpe | liable: like I said, I just want the parameter definitions. My end-goal is to test various preseed definitions to see if they work as expected and if possible, documented. |
| 16:02.07 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: worked perfectly |
| 16:02.15 | Zharf | sarmisak, couple of dependency problems but nothing major |
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| 16:02.35 | liable | mpe: then you should fire an email to debian-boot |
| 16:02.36 | OpenTokix | only problem I had was pdns-recursor |
| 16:02.39 | mpe | examples are fine, but they don't show all possible combinations |
| 16:02.42 | OpenTokix | but I think I broke that myself =) - a while back |
| 16:02.47 | sarmisak | ok, i have a server that's online right now, and i would like to upgrade but i don't have any physical access |
| 16:02.55 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: ok =) |
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| 16:02.58 | sarmisak | that's why i am concerned about the problems :D |
| 16:03.11 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: Is the server running someone exotic? |
| 16:03.24 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: I wouldnt do it if I didnt have physical access |
| 16:03.33 | sarmisak | OpenTokix: ok :) |
| 16:03.37 | OpenTokix | sarmisak: tip of the day: ipmi with kvm over internet. |
| 16:04.48 | sarmisak | hmms, ok i'll ask the datacenter if they've got something like that |
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| 16:06.54 | matt7676 | if I want to view the number of processes, which has a longer queue than 0, then can I accomplish it with netstat? |
| 16:07.18 | Mimmux | "Loading Lin_2.6.18img0EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" ...ever heard before? |
| 16:07.36 | Mimmux | Anyway, good evening everyone |
| 16:07.49 | matt7676 | or is there a some file under /proc/net witch provides such information? |
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| 16:08.28 | Mimmux | Error came up after a kernel update by Synaptic |
| 16:09.45 | lummox | matt7676, what queue? |
| 16:10.26 | matt7676 | both "send queue" and "receive queue" |
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| 16:12.51 | lummox | matt7676, /proc/<PID>/net/tcp, maybe the tx_queue and rx_queue cols? |
| 16:13.09 | lummox | when you do a "man proc" you can find a description of this file |
| 16:13.12 | lummox | what the cols mean etc |
| 16:13.13 | rdz | hi all. is there a boot log, where i can read, why fsck.ext3 failed and stopped the boot process? |
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| 16:15.59 | matt7676 | the "tx_queue rx_queue" column is s outcoming and incoming data queue in terms of kernel memory usage |
| 16:16.06 | Mimmux | Is there a way to restore previous image 2.6.18 and boot the system? |
| 16:16.17 | Linuturk | I installed debian 5 w/o internet access, so my sources.list is a bit borked |
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| 16:16.27 | zxd | hi |
| 16:16.33 | bittin_ | hi |
| 16:16.44 | zxd | what does it say /* Do not edit this file. in /etc/iceweasel/profile/prefs.js |
| 16:16.52 | zxd | where can i add custom settings for users |
| 16:16.57 | Linuturk | should I just pick a mirror and add it? |
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| 16:18.55 | lummox | matt7676, do you know a C function to get the length of these buffers? then it could be easy to write a little program |
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| 16:20.02 | juniorsa | Hi, I am having a problems updating a zone file, my changes aren't propogating the domain is icbb.com here are my zone files and I have restarted bind9 on both servers for some reason on the master serial number 2009022799 is being loaded and on the secondary 2009020399 is being loaded and the dns2 and dns3 are getting the 2009020399 I'm sorry it might be trivial but I can't see the problem |
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| 16:21.03 | nightglider28 | Can you guys remind me which package, in addition to libdvdcss2, I need to play dvd's? |
| 16:21.17 | nightglider28 | That and a decent DVD player.. |
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| 16:22.56 | liable | there isnt any decent players. you need to install them all and hope that one will play the file you want |
| 16:23.34 | liable | one may work one day, but not the next |
| 16:23.52 | liable | have at least mplayer, xine and vlc installed |
| 16:24.05 | liable | then hopefully one will work |
| 16:24.12 | nightglider28 | liable: Xine has worked decently for me. |
| 16:24.31 | nightglider28 | I haven't had mplayer since my Gentoo days. |
| 16:24.35 | nightglider28 | And vlc sucks with menus. |
| 16:24.57 | liable | nightglider28: thats nice. but not my experience |
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| 16:27.38 | Fruzen | guys help me:S |
| 16:27.50 | Fruzen | Someone help me install C Compiler |
| 16:27.55 | Fruzen | I cant run configure |
| 16:28.07 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 16:28.07 | dpkg | well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 16:28.08 | liable | !be Fruzen |
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| 16:28.23 | surlyjake | can i get rid of the epiphany browser? uninstall it? |
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| 16:28.32 | nightglider28 | surlyjake: You can. |
| 16:28.35 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 16:29.12 | nightglider28 | surlyjake: Problem is it marks *tons* of stuff as orphaned packages (like most of gnome) and it has to be set to manually installed. |
| 16:29.23 | nightglider28 | It hasn't broken anything, yet (that I can tell), but it's quite annoying. |
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| 16:29.41 | juniorsa | 2nd try: I am having a problems updating a zone file, my changes aren't propogating the domain is icbb.com here are my zone files and I have restarted bind9 on both servers for some reason on the master serial number 2009022799 is being loaded and on the secondary 2009020399 is being loaded and the dns2 and dns3 are getting the 2009020399 I'm sorry it might be trivial but I can't see the problem |
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| 16:30.36 | Mimmux | is there any good chatroom for newbies? |
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| 16:31.58 | nightglider28 | gives up on ripping the dvd. |
| 16:32.12 | Linuturk | nightglider28: ;p |
| 16:32.27 | liable | Mimmux: for debian? this is it. we dont mind newbs, as long as you dont mind following the advice we give :) |
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| 16:33.08 | Mimmux | that's good, but no one answered my question yet |
| 16:33.14 | nightglider28 | wtf?! |
| 16:33.20 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: How long have you been here?! |
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| 16:33.40 | nightglider28 | Mimmux: I believe he just did. |
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| 16:34.06 | Mimmux | (the previous one) |
| 16:34.40 | enouf | rdz: what was your boot= and root= lines prior to you altering them? |
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| 16:34.48 | Mimmux | "Loading Lin_2.6.18img0EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" ...ever heard before? Anything similar I mean |
| 16:35.19 | nightglider28 | Mimmux: I can't help you. Never used lilo, no plans/need to. |
| 16:35.20 | juniorsa | can anyone point out what is the wrong with the way I am asking for help please? |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | Mimmux: did you try again ? |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | juniorsa: try it with flair! |
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| 16:35.48 | juniorsa | Flair!!!! Please help!!! I am having a problems updating a zone file, my changes aren't propogating the domain is icbb.com here are my zone files and I have restarted bind9 on both servers for some reason on the master serial number 2009022799 is being loaded and on the secondary 2009020399 is being loaded and the dns2 and dns3 are getting the 2009020399 I'm sorry it might be trivial but I... |
| 16:35.49 | abrotman | juniorsa: or try #dns |
| 16:35.50 | juniorsa | ...can't see the problem |
| 16:35.52 | juniorsa | better? |
| 16:35.54 | Mimmux | tried again, same bad |
| 16:36.01 | enouf | juniorsa: as soon as i read zone file, my eyes glazed over |
| 16:36.07 | nightglider28 | juniorsa: Sorry, but if I knew how to help, I would. |
| 16:36.08 | juniorsa | oh, sorry |
| 16:36.17 | nightglider28 | As it is I know nothing about bind, etc. |
| 16:36.26 | nightglider28 | I am not a networking person. |
| 16:36.30 | nightglider28 | I'm a hardware person. |
| 16:36.31 | abrotman | juniorsa: how do you know they aren't propogating ? |
| 16:36.32 | juniorsa | oh I thought my zone file made your eyes glaze over |
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| 16:36.42 | nightglider28 | With a little bit of linux thrown in. :P |
| 16:36.45 | Mimmux | the fact is that now I've got a system which doesn't boot anymore |
| 16:36.49 | juniorsa | well the info is different on the 2 systems |
| 16:37.01 | abrotman | juniorsa: on your network? |
| 16:37.07 | nightglider28 | Mimmux: My only advice is recommending grub. Other than that, I can't help you. |
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| 16:37.21 | abrotman | juniorsa: consider that one may have a caching dns server |
| 16:37.24 | juniorsa | no on the 2 machines the zone files are different and the serial number is not the same either |
| 16:37.25 | petemc | juniorsa: do you have a configuration option allowing transfer between the machines? |
| 16:37.33 | Mimmux | I dislike LILO, but I thought it and Grub were both good |
| 16:37.34 | juniorsa | petemc: yes |
| 16:37.43 | abrotman | juniorsa: did you check the syslog? /me seems to recall bind has pretty good errors |
| 16:37.43 | juniorsa | other zones come through fine |
| 16:37.49 | petemc | juniorsa: and what happens when you try and force the transfer? |
| 16:37.59 | juniorsa | don't know how to force |
| 16:38.01 | dak | you cant run lilo and grub together... mimmux |
| 16:38.13 | petemc | dig +axfr or host -l |
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| 16:38.26 | Linuturk | nightglider28: every day :P |
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| 16:38.32 | petemc | dig axfr , even |
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| 16:38.36 | Linuturk | I just got debian 5 on my laptop ;p |
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| 16:38.53 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: I'm not surprised. The /names list is too long for me to care who's in here. :P |
| 16:38.57 | Mimmux | the point is: how to get the system boot again? Grub OR Lilo, of course, thanks <dak> |
| 16:39.00 | Linuturk | stupid AR242x chipset won't work though |
| 16:39.02 | Linuturk | no scanning |
| 16:39.03 | Linuturk | :( |
| 16:39.07 | ikonia | Fruzen: you are running ubuntu 6.10 - join #ubuntu |
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| 16:39.55 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 16:40.01 | maligor | dak, that's actually incorrect, I had grub chainloading lilo at one point :P |
| 16:40.24 | nightglider28 | maligor: That's not even useful for geek cred... |
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| 16:41.15 | Linuturk | so, if unstable just became stable, what's the new unstable? |
| 16:41.22 | nightglider28 | Squeeze. |
| 16:41.29 | maligor | Linuturk, unstable will never become stable |
| 16:41.38 | maligor | you mean testing |
| 16:41.50 | Linuturk | yeah, testing |
| 16:41.53 | Linuturk | sid is evil |
| 16:42.00 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 16:42.09 | nightglider28 | Oh damn, I didn't even realize. :/ |
| 16:42.16 | multi_io | is there a generic mechanism in Linux desktops for associating file extensions with programs? |
| 16:42.26 | Linuturk | I'm trying to figure out how to get a more recent version of the ath5k driver to get my wifi working |
| 16:42.33 | nightglider28 | multi_io: I'm actually curious about that, myself. :P |
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| 16:42.41 | abrotman | multi_io: magic |
| 16:42.43 | Linuturk | #madwifi told me to get a newer kernel |
| 16:42.43 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 16:42.44 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: Better to just use madwifi. |
| 16:43.07 | maligor | abrotman, don't think magic associates programs |
| 16:43.17 | Linuturk | wizzards and magick |
| 16:43.18 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: ath5k is still pretty new and I don't believe supports all the chips they intend to. |
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| 16:43.31 | Linuturk | well, my chipset almost works . . . |
| 16:43.34 | Linuturk | it's a shame |
| 16:43.35 | Linuturk | lol |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | maligor: multi_io cat /usr/share/mime/magic |
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| 16:44.05 | abrotman | only thing i know of |
| 16:44.50 | maligor | doesn't it just associate mime type to data |
| 16:44.57 | maligor | magically |
| 16:45.39 | multi_io | abrotman: afaics, magic numbers identify the file type (i.e. they're an alternative to a file name extension), but I was asking about a mechanism for associating an application with a file type |
| 16:45.40 | enouf | each application handles file associations, otherwise the big and bloated DEs trump you |
| 16:45.54 | abrotman | multi_io: oh, no :) |
| 16:46.12 | maligor | freedesktop has some specs on that topic it seems |
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| 16:46.19 | maligor | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-actions-spec |
| 16:46.25 | enouf | !smack a few with a Registered File Type |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | smacks a few with a Registered File Type upside the head. |
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| 16:47.01 | elux | what version of ssh does debian 5 come with? |
| 16:47.23 | multi_io | has yet to encounter a single application that properly registers itself with the xfce file manager during installation |
| 16:47.27 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 16:47.30 | judd | abrotman: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5 |
| 16:47.41 | abrotman | elux: or use packages.debian.org to check |
| 16:47.51 | elux | nice 5.1 |
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| 16:48.00 | elux | great. gives me the ChrootDirectory stuff i need |
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| 16:49.43 | tomm_ | I'm away from my debian system now but have a question concerning make-kpkg. |
| 16:49.56 | tomm_ | I'm been using make-kpkg to bulid my own custom 32bit kernels. |
| 16:50.12 | tomm_ | I always use make menuconfig to generate my .config and then back it up just in case. |
| 16:50.13 | rdz | enouf, /dev/hda , respectively /dev/hda1 |
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| 16:50.42 | enouf | rdz: that makes no sense whatsovever |
| 16:50.50 | rdz | enouf, why? |
| 16:50.52 | Linuturk | nightglider28: well, that works |
| 16:51.03 | enouf | because, it's wrong |
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| 16:51.26 | tomm_ | Now after moving over to a 64bit kernel make-pkg does not simply compile using my .config but insists on running oldconfig which insists I answer a prompt for some but not all kernel options. It asks these same questions each time I run and does not recall me answering them previously. why would this be? |
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| 16:51.31 | enouf | but rather tghan argue, just put it back to that |
| 16:51.32 | rdz | enouf, the error of fsck.ext3 namely mentioned the external usb drive and did say something about its superblock.. the error was not related at all to the root partition or something else.. |
| 16:51.40 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: What works? |
| 16:51.43 | parsifal_ | Are there any GUI-based CVS tools? |
| 16:51.52 | rdz | enouf, why is it wrong? it has been like that for over 4 years |
| 16:52.05 | rdz | enouf, i didn't manually set up lilo.. that is how lilo configured itself |
| 16:52.37 | Linuturk | nightglider28: madwifi |
| 16:52.44 | rdz | enouf, i don't think, that my problem is related to lilo.conf or whatsoever..... it stopped, when checking the _external_ usb drive |
| 16:52.50 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: heh |
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| 16:53.01 | enouf | fine - enjoy your downed system |
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| 16:53.12 | enouf | it's been like that for days now |
| 16:53.43 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: First time I bought a wireless card, I was running windows so I did zero linux compat checking. Luckily, Atheros has some of the best linux support for wireless chips. |
| 16:54.05 | nightglider28 | Linuturk: And I still have that card. It's currently in my mother's machine. :P |
| 16:54.13 | rdz | enouf, why are you not simply telling me, what is wrong and how it should be corrected? |
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| 16:54.27 | rdz | enouf, you only say it is wrong, but not why and how it could be corrected |
| 16:54.28 | enouf | i told you how |
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| 16:54.36 | enouf | bull |
| 16:54.45 | rdz | enouf, and there is no sign, that it is wrong.. at least i don't have a real reason to believe that it is wrong |
| 16:55.07 | rdz | enouf, you already told me three times, that you told me without ever having told me, sorry |
| 16:55.09 | enouf | here's the clauns in the bozo box getting restless |
| 16:55.24 | nightglider28 | enouf: *hear? |
| 16:55.31 | enouf | nightglider28: thanks |
| 16:55.40 | nightglider28 | enouf: np :P |
| 16:56.24 | rdz | enouf, is there _any_ way to test before hand, if it will work? |
| 16:56.45 | rdz | enouf, lilo doesn't complain and also fsck.ext3 doesn't compile, when the system is running and it is executed |
| 16:56.47 | nightglider28 | cp menu.lst menu.lst.backup? |
| 16:57.04 | nightglider28 | really has no clue what those two are talking about. |
| 16:57.07 | rdz | nightglider28, we are talking about lilo, not grub |
| 16:57.25 | tomm_ | enouf: can you tell me why make-kpkg would start prompting me for kernel config options with oldconfig where it did not before by chance? I was getting your help around 1-2am MST last night when I had a power outage |
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| 16:57.28 | nightglider28 | htf did I read that as grub.conf... |
| 16:57.31 | nightglider28 | thwaps self. |
| 16:57.40 | nightglider28 | rdz: In that case I'm even less qualified to speak. :P |
| 16:57.44 | enouf | rdz: please ask someone else, or the channel - i have nothing further to add that will help you - hope you fix it |
| 16:57.50 | rdz | nightglider28, my system doesn't boot, because fsck.ext3 fails on checking a drive, so it goes into maintenance shell.. which disables me to remotely reboot the machine |
| 16:58.46 | rdz | enouf, what should i write into lilo.conf and why should that work? i don't expect you to know everything, but if you know,why don't you simply tell me? |
| 16:58.50 | nightglider28 | rdz: I will not attempt to fix a lilo issue. It's a paid in the ass enough to fix my own system when I migrate hdd's and I use grub. |
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| 16:59.17 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:59.23 | enouf | tomm_: i think you should cp off all your .config (note .config.old as well) then make-kpkg clean and then copy back a decent .config into /src/ - however, you can't use a 32bit kernel config on a 64bit kernel |
| 16:59.27 | nightglider28 | enouf: It's sad, really. I've migrated hdd's so much and I still don't always remember to teell grub. :/ |
| 16:59.33 | rdz | nightglider28, grub didn't work from the beginning and thus is unfortunately no option for me |
| 16:59.45 | gypsymauro | there is oo.org 3.0.1 for lenny? |
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| 16:59.59 | tomm_ | enouf: ty will try that once I get access to my system again. =) |
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| 17:00.44 | enouf | tomm_: when i say src/ i don't mean /usr/src/ i mean wherever your kernel source is |
| 17:00.58 | rdz | enouf, do you know, if those fsck.ext3 errors are logged somewhere? |
| 17:01.02 | enouf | tomm_: and it better not be in /usr/src/linux |
| 17:01.23 | tomm_ | enouf: I know. =) I'm not familiar with transitioning from 32bit to 64bit kernels as yet so have not bumped my head on any of these problems as yet. |
| 17:01.24 | enouf | rdz: maybe /var/log/fsck/* other than that, no idea |
| 17:01.28 | nightglider28 | Damn. |
| 17:01.34 | nightglider28 | Gotta get ready to go. |
| 17:01.37 | rdz | enouf, i'll check.. thanks |
| 17:01.42 | tomm_ | enouf: /usr/src/linux-2.6.26 why? |
| 17:01.50 | ed___ | I've got a very basic lenny system booting disklessly, using debootstrap for the base system. Is there a convenient apt-get command to run, bringing it up to doing the equivalent of a 'standard' install with a netinst.iso disk? |
| 17:01.52 | enouf | tomm_: ask linus |
| 17:02.11 | rdz | enouf, many.. thanks.. now i found at least the exact error |
| 17:02.25 | tomm_ | enouf: heh, ok. =) |
| 17:02.28 | enouf | tomm_: and especially if you have debian kernels and source and headers installed alongside |
| 17:02.30 | gentlyninja | how can permanently unload a kernel module? i do it with "rmmod ehci_hcd" after every restart |
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| 17:02.51 | enouf | gentlyninja: blacklist it |
| 17:02.58 | tomm_ | enouf: lib soft links for dev I take it then? |
| 17:03.26 | enouf | gentlyninja: /msg dpkg blacklist (and blacklist-initramfs) |
| 17:04.01 | tomm_ | enouf: I do for the amd64 and the 32bit 2.6.18 kernel. I don't have a /usr/src/linux dir or soft link however and have been getting along fine without one. |
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| 17:04.11 | enouf | tomm_: it's just .. silly ... i do all my builds elsewhere |
| 17:04.38 | tomm_ | enouf: so do I and I agree. I'm no kernel expert however though ... obviously. =) |
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| 17:04.50 | redeeman | hello |
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| 17:04.55 | enouf | tomm_: neither am i, but i read the make-kpkg docs :-) |
| 17:05.06 | enouf | tomm_: and many other things |
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| 17:05.23 | redeeman | I am in the position where i need a newer kernel than the debian lenny default, due to iwlagn, which do you recommend? i would prefer if there doesn't come updates to it constantly |
| 17:05.40 | tomm_ | enouf: I will too. I don't have much time during the work week and confess I do seek the quick answer here when I can before I start delving too deep. |
| 17:05.42 | enouf | redeeman: what is iwlagn? |
| 17:05.50 | redeeman | enouf: intel wifi driver |
| 17:05.53 | tomm_ | enouf: ty for your help and direction. brb |
| 17:05.58 | redeeman | which didn't make it for lenny |
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| 17:06.01 | enouf | tomm_: np ... |
| 17:06.03 | nightglider28 | bbl |
| 17:06.13 | enouf | redeeman: is that a module name? |
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| 17:06.21 | enouf | redeeman: looks like a typo |
| 17:06.40 | redeeman | enouf: i think it's called iwlagn yes, that's what the debian bug entry says |
| 17:06.41 | lumis | yum, Lenny |
| 17:06.42 | enouf | !iwlagn |
| 17:06.42 | dpkg | i heard iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Also ask about <iwlagn firmware>. Use a Debian kernel snapshot to acquire for <testing> systems. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 17:06.48 | enouf | well well |
| 17:07.36 | enouf | must be some sicko way to say iwl + atheros + something |
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| 17:07.46 | i_am_ed | is '#tasksel install standard' what I want? |
| 17:07.54 | enouf | oh, g + n 802.11 support |
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| 17:08.10 | enouf | oh, a + g + n 802.11 support? ok, makes sense .. finally |
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| 17:08.38 | xlotlu | ugh, vmware doing so much i/o that konversation drops from servers o.O |
| 17:08.44 | enouf | i_am_ed: most likely |
| 17:08.56 | redeeman | enouf: :) |
| 17:09.03 | enouf | i_am_ed: is that you only info? |
| 17:09.06 | enouf | redeeman: heh |
| 17:09.15 | rdz | enouf, the problem is as simple as that: fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1^M |
| 17:09.15 | rdz | /dev/sda1: |
| 17:09.19 | redeeman | enouf: do you know how often those snapshots updates? |
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| 17:09.44 | rdz | enouf, do you know, why the fs is checked _before_ the device node is created? is there a way to fix that? |
| 17:09.45 | i_am_ed | enouf: thanks, i'll give it a go |
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| 17:10.24 | litwol|mac | !sources |
| 17:10.25 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:10.27 | litwol|mac | thx |
| 17:10.28 | nkuttler | rdz: did you install e2fsprogs? |
| 17:10.30 | enouf | redeeman: pretty often, however, i expect new kernels to propogate into Testing and Sid soon, if they haven't yet, where they will stay a awhile, eventually one in testing will be backported to Lenny |
| 17:10.46 | rdz | nkuttler, not intentionally.. should i install it' |
| 17:11.12 | Linuturk | ugh |
| 17:11.14 | litwol|mac | i screwed up my sources.list :( |
| 17:11.16 | litwol|mac | its empty now |
| 17:11.18 | Linuturk | I need the intel driver from experimental |
| 17:11.20 | nkuttler | rdz: actually, i think it's installed by default. do you have /sbin in your $PATH? |
| 17:11.24 | Linuturk | what's the easiest way to get that in lenny? |
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| 17:11.40 | rdz | nkuttler, in the bash $PATH? |
| 17:11.41 | elux | hey |
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| 17:11.45 | nkuttler | rdz: yeah |
| 17:12.01 | enouf | nkuttler: no idea if this helps, it's output of cat /proc/partitions for rdz http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f2dd02325 |
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| 17:12.06 | elux | for the people in here who use EC2/EBS .. is there a way to schedule automatic snapshots of EBS volumes? |
| 17:12.17 | rdz | nkuttler, yup |
| 17:12.32 | rdz | nkuttler, also e2fsprogs is installed |
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| 17:13.07 | rdz | 's reading man e2fsprogs |
| 17:13.10 | nkuttler | rdz: um, what command are you actually running? |
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| 17:14.09 | rdz | nkuttler, what do you mean? the error i posted is happening during boot. if i manually do 'fsck.ext3 -f /dev/sda1' it works fine |
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| 17:14.58 | enouf | rdz: fsck.ext3 exit error status 8 is what you told me prior, this sda1 has nothing to do wuth that |
| 17:15.44 | jamon | litwol|mac: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib should get you running |
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| 17:16.03 | litwol|mac | jamon: thanks! is this all i need? is tehre more ? |
| 17:16.11 | rdz | enouf, one sec.. i'll post you the _whole_ error log and you will see |
| 17:16.16 | jamon | litwol|mac: then deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:16.38 | enouf | nkuttler: he's booting with LiLo, using mdadm + lvm afaict, altered the original boot=/dev/hda1 and root=/dev/hda (<-- not a typo according to him/her) and inserted /dev/disk/by-id/ instead of /by-uuid/, ran lilo - and rebooted after an upgrade |
| 17:16.44 | litwol|mac | jamon: both are in. anything else ? |
| 17:16.46 | cirzgamanti | damn, resolv.conf trouble again; this time, it's empty. can somebody tell me where to get one or two addresses to put in manually for now? |
| 17:16.47 | jamon | litwol|mac: copy those lines and add deb-src instead of deb for source builds |
| 17:17.18 | litwol|mac | hmm, this references security.d.o, does it make a difference ? |
| 17:17.19 | rdz | enouf, kuttler: /var/log/fsck/checkfs: http://www.pastebin.ca/1340160 |
| 17:17.30 | frostschutz | what could be wrong, if I have sda1 and sda2 in my /proc/partitions, but only sda2 in /dev? (lenny) |
| 17:17.37 | enouf | nkuttler: and completely refuses to accept that he should use /by-uuid/ and insists, root= is correct, and completely refuses to put it back the way it was |
| 17:17.50 | MariusM | can someone tell me what did I modify wrong in my sources.list file(upgrade from Etch to Lenny)? |
| 17:17.52 | MariusM | http://paste.ubuntu.com/119278/ |
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| 17:18.01 | kaarlo` | gn8 |
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| 17:18.19 | enouf | nkuttler: but this is what i recall from last nght some 8 - 10 or more hours agp |
| 17:18.22 | enouf | ago* |
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| 17:19.17 | rdz | enouf, why don't you simply tell me what is the correct thing to put into /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 17:19.26 | cirzgamanti | hmm, 192.168.1.1 seems to work for now... |
| 17:19.36 | rdz | enouf, there is no UUID for /dev/hda ... |
| 17:19.42 | matt7676 | How to find all sockets, which have longer queue than 0? When I view the proc manual about /proc/net/tcp, /proc/net/udp and /proc/net/raw, there is said that "tx_queue rx_queue" column is aoutgoing and incoming data queue in terms of kernel memory usage. So the socket, which has a longer queue than 0, is the one wich is using a little bit of kernel memory? |
| 17:19.52 | rdz | enouf, i would have already done it thousand times, if i know how to do it correctly |
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| 17:20.25 | enouf | rdz: ofcourse there isn't |
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| 17:20.59 | rdz | enouf, and it is still not obvious to me, how this problem is related to fsck.ext not finding /dev/sda1 (sda1 , not the root partition /dev/hda1) |
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| 17:21.10 | enouf | rdz: put it back the way it was - if you think that was correct, use it - otherwise use UUIDs or LABELs </end> |
| 17:21.31 | enouf | i told you 500 times to unplug that USB piece of crap |
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| 17:21.38 | rdz | enouf, i am willing to use UUIDs, but how do i set it correctly, if there is no UUID for /dev/hda? |
| 17:21.47 | rdz | enouf, that is not part of the solution |
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| 17:22.11 | anddam | hello |
| 17:22.20 | rdz | enouf, if you don't see a relation between the two thing, please tell me... it seems, that you see a connection between both and i cannot follow |
| 17:22.32 | enouf | rdz: ofcourse there isn't a UUID for hda, especially when it contains a hda1, lmao |
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| 17:22.48 | enouf | rdz: i give up - sorry - gotta go |
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| 17:23.03 | rdz | enouf, thanks for your time so far... (patience is definitely gone) |
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| 17:24.27 | rdz | enouf, just for the record: fsck.ext3 _did_ fails with exit status 8, as i said.. why are saying, that the error mentioned cannot be error code 8? |
| 17:24.30 | anddam | I just safe-updated and my vncserver fonts became much bigger |
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| 17:24.57 | rdz | anddam, you can start vncserver with the option -dpi (correct value) |
| 17:25.09 | rdz | anddam, the bigger the value the smaller the fonts |
| 17:25.21 | rdz | anddam, i usually use 80 |
| 17:25.50 | anddam | rdz: that is, I was exactly searching for that option, I edited my vncserver script last time and obviously upgrading the package lost my change |
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| 17:26.39 | rdz | anddam, actually when upgrading it should ask you, whether you want to keep the existing conf file or use a new one |
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| 17:26.40 | anddam | rdd: I tought dpi were either 75 or 100, so I can try different values thanks |
| 17:27.03 | anddam | rdd: nope, I didn't edited a conf file as I couldn't find in man page were I should have put it |
| 17:27.12 | rdz | anddam, actually i don't know about 'valid' values.. but yeah, i guess the bitmap fonts only exist for 75 and 100 dpi |
| 17:27.39 | rdz | nkuttler, what command were you asking? |
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| 17:29.16 | anddam | rdz: are you using vncserver too? |
| 17:29.28 | rdz | anddam, yeah. why? |
| 17:29.47 | anddam | rdz: where should I specify dpi ? |
| 17:30.02 | anddam | rdz: I edited the vncserver _scrip_ last time, as I couldn't find a proper place |
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| 17:30.26 | rdz | anddam, good question... i am not a very advanced vnc user.. what i usually do is something like: vnc4sever :5 -name somename -geometry 800x600 -dpi 80 |
| 17:30.54 | anddam | ah you specify it by hand on cli |
| 17:31.07 | rdz | anddam, yeah |
| 17:31.10 | anddam | not big issue but I wonder where should it be put |
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| 17:33.06 | td123 | would it be possible for me to put all of the dvd's onto 1 usb? so it would act like 1 giant repository |
| 17:33.38 | vn | depends whats on the dvds |
| 17:33.56 | td123 | vn: I'm talking about all dvd's for the debian install |
| 17:34.06 | vn | oic |
| 17:34.15 | td123 | c :) |
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| 17:34.33 | vn | sure it can work, but dont ask me how |
| 17:34.39 | rdz | when fsck.ext3 fails during boot, because it cannot find /dev/sda1 (which is an external usb drive, _not_ the root partition), should i safely be able to reboot, if i exclude /dev/sda1 from the /etc/fstab file? |
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| 17:36.22 | damjan | rdz: in fstab you can set it to not check that device |
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| 17:37.00 | rdz | damjan, by setting the sixth field to '0', right? |
| 17:37.16 | damjan | yes |
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| 17:37.49 | rdz | damjan, is there a way to check beforehand, if it will boot next time? if it fails again, i again need physical acces to the machine |
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| 17:38.15 | esunatrampa | so is testing unfrozen yet? |
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| 17:38.31 | damjan | rdz: hmm.. I'm not sure .. maybe see what the /etc/rcS.d scripts do |
| 17:38.37 | damjan | and try to test |
| 17:38.40 | sneezewort | How can I find out it a card I want to buy will work with Debian? |
| 17:38.40 | esunatrampa | i heard they were going to hold off on security fixes for testing for a while and just concentrate on stable |
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| 17:38.51 | jafn | hi all |
| 17:38.53 | rdz | damjan, how can i test that? i didn't fully understand... |
| 17:39.05 | jafn | why i can bnot see the printers sahre with windows? |
| 17:39.10 | esunatrampa | what kind of card sneezewort |
| 17:39.10 | jafn | i am usng debian etch |
| 17:39.15 | azeem | jafn: try lenny |
| 17:39.25 | jafn | umm besides that any ideaç |
| 17:39.27 | jafn | ? |
| 17:39.29 | esunatrampa | yes etch is old now |
| 17:39.30 | sneezewort | LSI00164 SAS PCI-X adapter. |
| 17:39.32 | esunatrampa | its the new sarge |
| 17:39.39 | jafn | i can see the directories sahred but not the printers |
| 17:39.48 | esunatrampa | lenny has been stable for about a week now |
| 17:41.07 | anddam | rdz: dpi 75 made it |
| 17:41.16 | rdz | anddam, cool |
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| 17:41.35 | anddam | I tought the higher dpi the smaller fonts |
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| 17:41.49 | rdz | anddam, is it the other way around? |
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| 17:41.53 | anddam | but dpi 100 produced big fonts while dpi 75 gave smaller |
| 17:41.58 | anddam | who cares |
| 17:42.00 | rdz | anddam, interesting |
| 17:42.26 | esunatrampa | sometimes my fonts go crazy until i reboot |
| 17:42.33 | esunatrampa | larger than normal |
| 17:42.36 | anddam | rdz: now I'm not sure where to put this option |
| 17:42.44 | esunatrampa | restarting x doesnt fix it, im not sure what it is |
| 17:43.01 | esunatrampa | that also happened when i did dist-upgrade once, i dont like dist-upgrade |
| 17:43.08 | rdz | anddam, probably into ~/.vnc/xstartup ? |
| 17:43.14 | rdz | but i don't know really |
| 17:43.26 | frostschutz | esunatrampa: X autodetects a wrong dpi setting for your screen maybe? |
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| 17:43.42 | careta | hello |
| 17:43.45 | frostschutz | esunatrampa: xdpyinfo to check what X believes your screen to be |
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| 17:43.52 | blubberdiblub | anddam, if you tell your system that your display has 75 dots per inch instead of 100 (i.e. bigger pixels), it will of course make the fonts smaller, in order to let them look the same size. but since you lied to it, and you display is still the same size, they will actually appear smaller |
| 17:43.55 | anddam | rdd: I don't knox xstartup file format |
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| 17:44.11 | careta | can anyone tell me why do i need exim4 installed? or can i just remove it without trouble? |
| 17:44.33 | themill | dpkg: tell careta about why an mta |
| 17:44.48 | anddam | blubberdiblub: not obvious to me, when did I lie to the system? |
| 17:44.58 | careta | thank you themill |
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| 17:45.52 | Si1ver1ock | i'm thinking about upgrading a server to lenny? will i regret it? |
| 17:45.53 | careta | and when can we see a new testing? right now it's a copy of lenny right? |
| 17:46.10 | blubberdiblub | anddam: forget about the lying part. i just wanted to make clear why the fonts get smaller. your display's pixel size did not actually change, but you told your system to assume your display's pixel size changed (to bigger pixels) |
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| 17:47.37 | Si1ver1ock | is it apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:47.48 | esunatrampa | 72dpi atm |
| 17:48.03 | esunatrampa | it happens at random, i'll have to check it when it happens |
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| 17:48.29 | Proto | Is there a commande to check if i sucessfull my upgrade ? ( i type something wich answer debian 5.0 in exemple :) ) |
| 17:49.00 | rdz | anddam, did you have a look at the xstartup file? it is a simple shell script and one of the commands is 'vncconfig' |
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| 17:49.07 | nkuttler | Si1ver1ock: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes |
| 17:49.12 | damjan | Proto: cat /etc/debian_release :) |
| 17:49.16 | anddam | rdz: I didn't as I don't have one |
| 17:49.25 | rdz | anddam, aha |
| 17:49.25 | Proto | thanks =) |
| 17:49.32 | damjan | proto sorry "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 17:49.50 | rdz | anddam, hm.. i didn't created it myself.. it was created automatically... but i don't recall what triggered the creation of that script |
| 17:49.57 | Proto | yes I found it thanks :) |
| 17:50.01 | rdz | anddam, vncserver works for you? does it start a window manager? |
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| 17:50.48 | anddam | rdz: it works but looking at vncserver script itself it can handle different kinds of config |
| 17:50.59 | nightglider28 | Back. |
| 17:51.03 | anddam | rdz: i.e. in ~/.vnc or in ~/.vncinitrc |
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| 17:51.21 | rdz | anddam, is there at least ~/.vnc/ ? |
| 17:51.30 | rdz | anddam, if so, is there something in it? |
| 17:51.33 | anddam | yep, only passwd, pid and log files |
| 17:52.00 | esunatrampa | i need to find a good how to on compiling apps |
| 17:52.07 | rdz | anddam, and in /etc/vnc or something? is there a config file? i mean, from somewhere vncserver knows what to start, when starting a new server |
| 17:52.11 | esunatrampa | can all packages be found in the source repo or.. |
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| 17:52.38 | anddam | rdz: nothing in /etc |
| 17:52.42 | esunatrampa | i'm a good coder i just am not up on the compiling debian packages |
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| 17:52.53 | esunatrampa | i normally just want to make small changes |
| 17:52.54 | anddam | rdz: it's either taking something from /etc/X11 or using Xvnc's defaults |
| 17:53.28 | rdz | anddam, what are the defaults? what window manager do you see, when login in to the vnc session? |
| 17:53.38 | anddam | fluxbox |
| 17:53.40 | esunatrampa | like vlc, cant even remember last opened dir |
| 17:53.43 | anddam | but that's in my .vncinitrc |
| 17:53.46 | esunatrampa | id like to hack that |
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| 17:54.00 | esunatrampa | i just dont feel comfortable doing all the compiling and packaging |
| 17:54.11 | anddam | rdz: my .vncrc has $vncStartup = "$ENV{HOME}/.vncinitrc"; |
| 17:54.33 | esunatrampa | perhaps i can find it in deb-src |
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| 17:54.35 | esunatrampa | and make necc changes |
| 17:54.49 | rdz | anddam, and is there something started from ~/.vncinitrc? |
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| 17:55.04 | anddam | rdz: of course, there are my apps |
| 17:55.12 | rdz | anddam, does it contain some command as 'startx' ro similar? |
| 17:55.14 | anddam | rdz: what are you searching for? |
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| 17:55.33 | anddam | no way, it's a xinitrc, it starts a couple apps then exec the wm |
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| 17:55.43 | rdz | anddam, i mean, somewhere vncserver is told to start the window manager and that is problably the place to add the option -dpi 75 |
| 17:56.00 | anddam | I think that's well after the X server |
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| 17:56.34 | esunatrampa | wine is crap still too, a lot of apps lag or won't work properly without hte virtual desktop |
| 17:56.36 | rdz | anddam, on my box there is a line 'vncconfig' in ~/.vnc/xstartup and that is the place where i would add -set dpi=80, according to the man page of vncconfgi |
| 17:56.46 | esunatrampa | windows wont move sometimes |
| 17:57.05 | anddam | wow, vncconfig |
| 17:57.06 | anddam | nvm |
| 17:57.07 | anddam | :-) |
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| 17:57.24 | s0u][ight | !livecd |
| 17:57.24 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, or http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 17:57.44 | anddam | rdz: ah I know it, it's a small clipboard helper |
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| 17:58.02 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.19 | rdz | anddam, aha.. you think, that is the correct thing to use, then? |
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| 17:58.28 | anddam | I'll have a try |
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| 17:59.07 | rdz | anddam, i need to go.. good luck |
| 17:59.13 | anddam | thanks, bye |
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| 17:59.48 | anddam | wow, I can't pipe vncconfig without having a Backtrace |
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| 18:01.34 | anddam | rdz: anyway that doesn't seem the right way |
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| 18:04.13 | damjan | Ive installed Lenny from netboot (PXE) with a preseed file ... but it didn't set grub and fstab with UUIDs ... does anyone know if something needs to be set explicitly so that it uses UUID? |
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| 18:05.13 | asarch | How can I "decompress" a .deb file? The installed needs the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wireless' firmware: 'iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode' in order to use the wireless card |
| 18:05.17 | asarch | *installer |
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| 18:05.31 | Chousuke | asarch: dpkg -x iirc |
| 18:05.39 | mhymn | rtfm |
| 18:05.44 | td123 | asarch: sudo aptitude install firmware-iwl or something like that |
| 18:05.52 | td123 | asarch: you have to have non-free enabled |
| 18:05.57 | asarch | Errr... I don't have any Debian system :-P |
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| 18:06.12 | td123 | asarch: then ask in a different channel |
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| 18:06.19 | asarch | Oh, Ok |
| 18:06.28 | asarch | Then sorry for bothering |
| 18:06.33 | damjan | td123: like what? #windowsxp? |
| 18:06.41 | damjan | asarch: do you have any linux? |
| 18:06.46 | td123 | damjan: no, more like #yourdistro |
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| 18:07.50 | damjan | asarch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) here's the structure of a .deb package |
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| 18:07.54 | td123 | damjan: and yes, if he has windows xp, then he should ask in a windows channel |
| 18:08.01 | esunatrampa | im having trouble installing deb on an ancient dell laptop, the etch net inst cd used to hang for a minute then prompt me with some command option to make it work, but i cant seem to find it anyway |
| 18:08.02 | damjan | asarch: it's an ar archive that has tar.gz archives |
| 18:08.08 | esunatrampa | it was something to do with a certain 0x or port |
| 18:08.22 | esunatrampa | i know that will fix it, i just cant find it referenced anywhere now |
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| 18:08.37 | esunatrampa | i havent tried the stable iso yet.. |
| 18:08.51 | esunatrampa | i used a weekly build from a couple months back |
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| 18:09.47 | kombi | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 says it will remove my old kernel. Usually the only kernel is left intact as fall back, no? |
| 18:10.03 | ewet | hi, does anyone know if ext4 uses versioning? |
| 18:10.06 | gentlyninja | when are the first major updates to newer software versions in testing expected? |
| 18:10.10 | ewet | or utilizes .... |
| 18:10.26 | stew | gentlyninja: 2300+ packages were migrated on sunday |
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| 18:11.59 | icenine | are there any channels about linux games? |
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| 18:14.35 | asarch | damjan, Slackware 12.2 |
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| 18:14.56 | cowboycoder | Just updated to Lenny, using Xdmx to join 3 screens together..worked in etch..now mouse cursor is stuck in the upper left corner of the screen and won't move. any suggestions? |
| 18:15.01 | damjan | asarch: then you have ar and tar, so no problem |
| 18:15.24 | asarch | Midnight Commander used to "unpackage" those files |
| 18:15.29 | asarch | Now it looks for dpkg |
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| 18:16.12 | Alex_771 | hi |
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| 18:16.54 | Alex_771 | hi |
| 18:17.06 | asarch | Bingo! |
| 18:17.10 | asarch | Thank you guys |
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| 18:17.35 | Alex_771 | hi |
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| 18:18.44 | jackweb | Hello. I need something like command1 | command2, but for stderr, not stdout. :) |
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| 18:19.47 | Alex_771 | question for all people |
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| 18:20.18 | Alex_771 | As a charge for installation of hardware and software |
| 18:20.18 | jackweb | ok. |
| 18:20.21 | mc68040 | jackweb: u could use "command1 2>&1 | command2" |
| 18:20.38 | stew | jackweb: you wnat to pipe both into command2? or what should happen with stdout? |
| 18:21.10 | jackweb | stew: ah, yes, I didn't tell, stdout must go into /dev/null :) |
| 18:21.26 | jackweb | command1 > /dev/null 2>&1 | command 2 # correct? |
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| 18:21.40 | mc68040 | jackweb: "command1 2>&1 >/dev/null | command2" |
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| 18:21.48 | jackweb | Ok. |
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| 18:21.54 | jackweb | Thanks. :) |
| 18:22.02 | mc68040 | jackweb: is in this case order is important i think |
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| 18:23.24 | stew | jackweb: yes, order is important. yours combines the two then sends both the /dev/null, mc68040's does what you want |
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| 18:23.36 | jackweb | Ok. :) |
| 18:23.53 | stew | i always remember which order by saying "which one seems backwards, that's the one I want" : ) |
| 18:24.34 | jackweb | :) |
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| 18:25.46 | mc68040 | stew: i remember by "read from left to right" ;) |
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| 18:27.06 | jackweb | I will have to learn more about 2>&1 :) |
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| 18:28.25 | mc68040 | jackweb: is easy: "2>&1" is "set file descriptor 2 (stderr) to the value of fd 1 (stdout)" |
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| 18:30.21 | ewet | when will debian have selinux enabled by default? |
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| 18:30.56 | adfasdf | how can i connect to two networks at the same time? |
| 18:31.13 | mc68040 | adfasdf: on the same networkcard? |
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| 18:31.52 | jackweb | mc68040: and >&2 will set stdout to stderr? |
| 18:32.15 | mc68040 | jackweb: yep, ">" is a shorthand for "1>" |
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| 18:33.24 | SirDude0Lot | Good day everyone |
| 18:33.49 | adfasdf | no, one wired and one wireless |
| 18:33.54 | jackweb | and how to forward stdout to a file and simultaneously show it in a console? |
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| 18:34.27 | mc68040 | jackweb: man tee |
| 18:34.42 | jackweb | Ahh, thanks. :) |
| 18:34.48 | sneezewort | I am currently running Debian Etch. Should I upgrade to lenny with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:35.02 | tourett_ | http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/2520711/ |
| 18:35.17 | SirDude0Lot | Hey is there someone who can help me with a freaking permission problem with 2 hd pertitions? |
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| 18:35.34 | jackweb | :D |
| 18:35.45 | mc68040 | adfasdf: man interfaces |
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| 18:37.11 | sneezewort | If I upgrade to Lenny will things break? |
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| 18:37.55 | SirDude0Lot | Got 2 partions that i want to mount with full permisions for my main user but everything i try fails |
| 18:38.29 | adama | sneezewort: NO. guaranteed. /me runs away |
| 18:38.51 | SirDude0Lot | sneezewort: upgrading to lenny is even sugested |
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| 18:39.57 | ewet | hmm so there's no selinux roadmap for debian (the wiki does not tell anything about that) |
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| 18:41.12 | lehel | lenny is fine |
| 18:41.31 | kombi | will a kernel update remove the old one? I'm afraid the box won't boot.. |
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| 18:41.58 | jackweb | I recommend testing - squeezy. |
| 18:42.05 | Si1ver1ock | loks like there is a new virtualizer in lenny, is xen out? can i find a discussion of this somewhere? |
| 18:42.13 | Si1ver1ock | looks i mean |
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| 18:42.35 | jackweb | There are some people using sid. :) |
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| 18:42.48 | damjan | Si1ver1ock: xen seems to nbe out of the Linux community since Citrix bought them |
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| 18:43.07 | damjan | and KVM is much netter anyway |
| 18:43.29 | careta | hey people |
| 18:43.32 | Si1ver1ock | damjan: ooops, doom on me :) whats the new one? |
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| 18:43.36 | careta | i want to filter out some text |
| 18:43.44 | damjan | KVM |
| 18:43.48 | careta | how can i say to grep to display only the text i want, not the whole line? |
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| 18:43.56 | damjan | careta: man grep |
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| 18:44.17 | mc68040 | Si1ver1ock: the problem is that the xen patch isnt available for newer kernels |
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| 18:44.26 | lehel | kombi: `will not remove the old kernel |
| 18:44.42 | mc68040 | switched to kvm too |
| 18:44.43 | Si1ver1ock | damjan: is KVM headless? |
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| 18:44.57 | damjan | Si1ver1ock: sure |
| 18:44.59 | kombi | lehel: even thought it says "the following packages will be REMOVED" ? |
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| 18:45.16 | damjan | headless, vnc, sdl, even has a ncurses terminal :) |
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| 18:45.33 | careta | damjan i've been there, it still displays the whole line |
| 18:45.43 | lehel | kombi: ok, but you have there also listed the actual kernel? |
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| 18:46.02 | damjan | careta: grep -o ? |
| 18:46.02 | Si1ver1ock | mc68040:, damjanthanks, looks like KVM is the new way |
| 18:46.04 | Octave_Octet | Hi. My sid has a problem since today's upgrade. KDM has now switched to qwerty. The consoles and X11 proper are still working in fr-fr . I have seen nothing useful in logs, and kdm was not in today upgrade. I do not know where else to look. Any idea ? |
| 18:46.12 | careta | yeah just found it thanks |
| 18:46.24 | mc68040 | Silveerlock: theres one negative point |
| 18:46.24 | kombi | by actual you mean new or old? |
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| 18:46.53 | mc68040 | Silverlock: KVM only runs on newer hardware because it needs VT |
| 18:46.56 | Si1ver1ock | mc68040: go ahead |
| 18:47.16 | damjan | oh yeah. KVM needs virtualization support in your CPU |
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| 18:47.22 | lehel | the old one, kombi - should not remove | are you doing aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:47.33 | kombi | yep |
| 18:47.50 | kombi | was 2.4.26 |
| 18:48.01 | kombi | sorry, 2.4.28 |
| 18:48.02 | Si1ver1ock | thinking about upgrading motherboard anyway |
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| 18:48.18 | esunatrampa | cpu virtualization is confusing to me, there's 3 different extensions for intel, not sure about amd's |
| 18:48.23 | mc68040 | then KVM is the best bet i think |
| 18:48.30 | lehel | kombi: oh, i see - in this case probably will remove, i was doing do upgrade from a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:48.41 | kombi | sigh.. |
| 18:48.43 | esunatrampa | actually 4 for intel, ia32 and itanium differ |
| 18:48.44 | Si1ver1ock | maybe a laptop server? |
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| 18:48.53 | esunatrampa | then there is another set of extensions for i/i |
| 18:48.54 | esunatrampa | i/o |
| 18:50.22 | Si1ver1ock | with silicon drive |
| 18:50.22 | lehel | out @moment |
| 18:50.22 | esunatrampa | then another vt-c for 'connectivity' or something, im not even sure what that does |
| 18:50.22 | damjan | what 4?? |
| 18:50.22 | kombi | lehel: I'd love to end up with a non-not-bootable box.. it's been in production for years |
| 18:50.23 | esunatrampa | i cant get past the ad marketing crap to find out what it is |
| 18:50.23 | jackweb | How to know arguments for ./configure? For example, GIMP has a one - --disable-python. |
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| 18:50.24 | mc68040 | jackweb: "./configure --help" ? |
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| 18:50.25 | esunatrampa | 32 and 64 bit is different, then there is another virtualization tech for i/o specifically, im not sure if chips have both or if its just one or the other |
| 18:50.25 | jackweb | mc68040: ok, thanks. |
| 18:50.25 | esunatrampa | and then a 4th vt-c spec i cant figure out either |
| 18:50.32 | esunatrampa | just not clear to me at all |
| 18:50.39 | damjan | esunatrampa: if there is vmx in the intel cpu you have it |
| 18:50.54 | esunatrampa | vt-c seems like it might be kinda like the virtualizaiton equiv of 'centrino' might just be a lot of stuff mixsed |
| 18:51.17 | vader-- | Quick question i have a debian 4.0 box with a 2.4 kernel and im trying to get the headers for it, but aptitude will not show any 2.4 headers only 2.6 kernel headers |
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| 18:51.20 | esunatrampa | theres vt-x vt-i vt-c and vt-d i think |
| 18:51.22 | vader-- | any way to fix this? |
| 18:51.24 | damjan | esunatrampa: I've found wikipedia to be much better resource for cpus and features than either intels or AMDs siet |
| 18:52.03 | esunatrampa | vt-c aside there is vt-x or i depending on if you have ia32 or itanium, then the fourth vt-d i think is for i/o specifically |
| 18:52.34 | esunatrampa | and thats just intel |
| 18:52.46 | damjan | nobody cares about itanium :) |
| 18:52.47 | Si1ver1ock | well, thanks Debian. my upgrade to lenny went smoothly. The only improvement i would make, is to keep a record of the upgrade. the screen scrolls to fast to follow, |
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| 18:53.23 | damjan | Si1ver1ock: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 18:53.41 | sneezewort | I started an upgrade from etch to lenny and I noticed that "libgdal1-1.3.2-grass" will be uninstalled but there is no replacement. Will this break webapps that use gdal and grass? |
| 18:53.42 | Si1ver1ock | i'll check it |
| 18:53.43 | asg | Si1ver1ock: use script(1) or screen(1) |
| 18:53.56 | mc68040 | Silverlock: didnt stand there something about "script" in the guide? |
| 18:54.30 | Si1ver1ock | asg, i wish some one would blog it some where with an example (hint hint) |
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| 18:56.10 | wedgeV | hi, where can i find upgrade info for postgresql for etch -> lenny? |
| 18:56.36 | nkuttler | wedgeV: probably in the release notes. make db dumps. |
| 18:56.48 | mc68040 | Silverlock: see chapter 4.5.1 of the release notes |
| 18:57.27 | vader-- | is there any way to get the old headers through apt-get? |
| 18:57.29 | wedgeV | nkuttler: i didn't find anything in the release notes |
| 18:57.44 | nkuttler | wedgeV: well, what kind of info do you need? |
| 18:57.54 | Si1ver1ock | mc68040: oki doki, once again cudos to debain for another fine release |
| 18:58.21 | wedgeV | nkuttler: i'd like some info on how to do the upgrade... eg: do i need dumps, or is there some update script etc. |
| 18:59.03 | nkuttler | wedgeV: one user had problems because 7->8 has incompatible db formats. that's why i said make dumps. don't use pg myself |
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| 18:59.40 | wedgeV | nkuttler: alright, i have dumps anyways :) |
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| 19:02.55 | hoxu | stew, that tourett_!n=tourett_@p4FC97C57.dip.t-dialin.net ban doesn't help, he keeps coming back with the same nick but from different IPs |
| 19:03.57 | stew | hoxu: yes. the pennergame people work with us though and his account there has been suspended, the link he spammed is currently 404 |
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| 19:04.04 | Swistaczek | Hello |
| 19:04.10 | Swistaczek | Could any one help me with http://pastie.org/392000 ? |
| 19:04.22 | Swistaczek | I dont know what to do, I am linux newbie |
| 19:04.56 | hoxu | stew, well, I reported him on #pennergame for spamming on another channel, afaik, all spams I saw from him here have been after that... |
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| 19:05.53 | Fah | if you're a newbie, I strongly reccomend against running unstable |
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| 19:06.07 | Fah | that said, does "apt-get -f install" help sort things out? |
| 19:06.17 | basix | i want to create a pdf out of some source code files. I want the header to contain the source file's name and then the code. does anybody know of such a script? |
| 19:06.24 | Swistaczek | Fah: force install dont help |
| 19:06.32 | stew | hoxu: great. reporting it in #pennergame is the right thing to do. they are able to make it counter-productive to spam in here |
| 19:06.34 | enouf | -f is not force |
| 19:06.54 | hoxu | stew, doesn't seem to help for idiots though :) |
| 19:06.58 | Swistaczek | apt-get install -f returns http://pastie.org/392009 |
| 19:07.04 | Fah | -f is an attempt to fix broken/partial packge installs |
| 19:07.30 | Fah | neat |
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| 19:07.37 | Fah | wonder what they're working on in sid |
| 19:07.38 | enouf | basix: i guess you should start with pdftk |
| 19:07.50 | basix | enouf, okay.. |
| 19:08.07 | ssk | anyone an idea why my font is relative bad in the qt4 version of opera? here a screen: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/170209195905_qtfont.png |
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| 19:08.26 | ssk | the menu of opera especially, other qt apps too i guess but not using any others |
| 19:08.26 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: uh... what is the output of cat /proc/mounts; |
| 19:08.51 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/392013 |
| 19:08.56 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: basically, there's no reason for touch to fail to set the times on /var/log/dpkg.log with 'Function not implemented' unless you've got something seriously odd going on |
| 19:09.15 | seventwo | hey, does anyone know if this configuration is fine? primary IDE: Master: hard drive. secondary IDE Master: CD-Rom, Slave: hard drive |
| 19:09.40 | enouf | dondelelcaro: possibly mounted with noatime/relatime? |
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| 19:09.40 | DeSian | seventwo: in Bios? |
| 19:09.55 | seventwo | yeahh |
| 19:09.57 | mc68040 | Swistaczek: did a previous upgrade of dpkg itself fail? |
| 19:09.58 | hoxu | seventwo, sounds like a ##hardware question, but why wouldn't it be? I guess the CD drive has priority over the second disk, but meh |
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| 19:10.06 | ssk | basix, you can print to a "pdf-printer", you can setup one with cups. might be overkill though, maybe there is a more simple solution |
| 19:10.06 | Swistaczek | mc68040: I think yes |
| 19:10.06 | basix | enouf, is there a utility that can convert a given source file to a ps file with source formatting? |
| 19:10.07 | Fah | well, either there's something odd with his box or there's something up with the package in sid. |
| 19:10.25 | basix | ssk, i need to format the source first and convert it to ps. |
| 19:10.27 | Swistaczek | I dont want to reinstall my vps, becouse I have important data there |
| 19:10.40 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: vzfs is probably not a very good posix compliant filesystem, then |
| 19:10.40 | seventwo | i'm just wondering..yeah, it's hardware question. just didn't see the channel |
| 19:10.42 | Fah | wouldnt noatime options show up in the mount status for / ? |
| 19:10.43 | seventwo | tahnks |
| 19:11.03 | ssk | basix, check out scite (editor), it can export code to pdf, latex and some other formats |
| 19:11.16 | Swistaczek | mc68040: Friend said me to "apt-get upgrade" |
| 19:11.16 | basix | ssk, ok thanks! |
| 19:11.16 | enouf | Fah: yep ;-) /dev/hdd1 / ext3 rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 19:11.32 | Swistaczek | mc68040: mabey that fucked up this |
| 19:11.58 | webtoe | basix: I also do that sort of thing for uni by using LaTeX. Google for help |
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| 19:12.09 | Fah | oh, right. i'm blind. I'll stop 'helping' now ;) |
| 19:12.22 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: no, you were pretty much screwed to start with if your filesystem doesn't support touch /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:12.24 | basix | webtoe, uh...ok but i have never used LaTeX |
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| 19:13.03 | webtoe | basix: Ok, well you can take a gander at some articles on google and see whether you want to give it a go or not. Can be a bit fiddly to get the look perfect. YMMV |
| 19:13.08 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: I think that "apt-get upgrade" broken it, i dont reboot system after this comand, I have this filesystem previously, and it worked |
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| 19:13.21 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: try running 'touch /var/log/dpkg.log'; and see if that suceeds |
| 19:13.41 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Function not implemented |
| 19:13.46 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: so there you go |
| 19:13.48 | basix | webtoe, okay.. i can write scripts so what i'm ideally looking for is something that will convert a source code file to ps / pdf, then i can merge them using pdftk |
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| 19:14.04 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: you're running with a root filesystem of vzfs, which for whatever reason isn't POSIX compliant |
| 19:14.14 | Fah | do you have touch aliased to something? |
| 19:14.32 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: I have got VPS at hosteurope.de |
| 19:14.32 | Fah | oh, or that |
| 19:14.40 | azeem | Swistaczek: so complain to them |
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| 19:14.50 | azeem | unless you setup this file system yourself |
| 19:14.51 | webtoe | basix: a2ps maybe? |
| 19:14.59 | Swistaczek | but I propably brokent his using "apt-get upgrade" |
| 19:15.04 | basix | webtoe, let me check |
| 19:15.09 | Swistaczek | *this |
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| 19:15.20 | azeem | Swistaczek: apt-get upgrade does not change the root file system type |
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| 19:15.27 | webtoe | basix: never used it myself but think it could do what you want. |
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| 19:16.21 | basix | webtoe, i think it should do the trick! :) thanks... |
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| 19:16.31 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: what does which touch; say, and what does dpkg -l coreutils; md5sum $(which touch); say? |
| 19:17.23 | webtoe | basix: no worries, I then have used gs (ghostscript) to merge pdfs. But quick google will find you loads of articles on how to do that |
| 19:17.29 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/392025 |
| 19:17.37 | mc68040 | Swistaczek: you can try to fiddle around with /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.*inst to get dpkg installed, but i strongly recommend to reinstall with another root fs |
| 19:17.41 | basix | webtoe, yup! :) |
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| 19:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: what does uname -a; say? |
| 19:18.34 | Swistaczek | Linux lvps87-230-80-154.dedicated.hosteurope.de 2.6.9-023stab048.4-enterprise #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 18:31:01 MSD 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:18.38 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: can you also give me the strace output of strace touch /var/log/dpkg.log; |
| 19:18.54 | dondelelcaro | ah, yes... I belive we have a winner |
| 19:18.58 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: touch: setting times of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Function not implemented |
| 19:19.06 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: 'strace touch /var/log/dpkg.log' |
| 19:19.18 | arezey | |
| 19:19.23 | arezey | (oops) |
| 19:19.38 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: http://pastie.org/392032 |
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| 19:20.20 | latitude | Hmmm I installed Debian (with just the 1st cd) and it doesn't have a tool for me to connect to wireless. There's network-admin (?) but it asks for wifi password -- mine doesnt have one ;p |
| 19:20.22 | keith4 | wtf is "2.6.9-023stab048.4-enterprise #1 SMP" ? |
| 19:21.13 | keith4 | oh, a VPS |
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| 19:23.12 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: so yeah, the problem is 1) you're running unstable's coreutils 2) your VPS doesn't support utimensat |
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| 19:23.34 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: yup, apt-get upgrade upgraded my coreutils |
| 19:23.39 | Swistaczek | how can I install old one? |
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| 19:24.34 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: you'll almost certainly have to downgrade to etch |
| 19:24.38 | Swistaczek | dogmeat: apt-get worked before upgrade, so I think coreutils is bad chain element |
| 19:25.05 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: will I loose all my data? |
| 19:25.15 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: though honestly, your VPS provider needs to upgrade to a modern kernel. utimensat has been supported since 2.6.18, and we're at 2.6.28 now. |
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| 19:25.25 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: by downgrading? Depends on you |
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| 19:26.02 | ssk | anyone an idea why my font is relative bad in the qt4 version of opera? here a screen: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/170209195905_qtfont.png (menu) |
| 19:26.19 | jackweb | I remember bad my downgrade from testing to stable... |
| 19:26.30 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: there is not option to cancel upgrade? |
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| 19:26.50 | dondelelcaro | Swistaczek: nope |
| 19:26.55 | maligor | ssk, maybe it's falling back to some bad bitmap font |
| 19:26.58 | dondelelcaro | downgrading is unsupported, though it works |
| 19:27.06 | dondelelcaro | s/works/sometimes &/ |
| 19:27.28 | jackweb | aptitude wanted to delete a lot of packages while downgrading.. |
| 19:27.40 | abrotman | downgrading is not supported |
| 19:27.50 | maligor | ssk, if you mean the qt configuration window, the opera fonts look fine to me |
| 19:28.01 | ssk | check the menu of opera |
| 19:28.12 | maligor | probably missing fonts |
| 19:28.39 | ssk | looks like missing anti-aliasing or not |
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| 19:29.01 | maligor | nah, usually it happens if it falls back to a bitmap font |
| 19:29.24 | maligor | especially since lots of them in x11 are ancient and pretty dreadful |
| 19:29.29 | Swistaczek | dondelelcaro: I found it in console http://pastie.org/392045 |
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| 19:29.44 | ssk | qt config is set to sans sarif, is that available on debian by default? |
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| 19:30.36 | ssk | serif |
| 19:30.36 | maligor | ssk, you can check 'fc-match Sans Serif' |
| 19:31.10 | ssk | DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" |
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| 19:31.25 | ssk | guess not installed then |
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| 19:33.26 | maligor | ssk, actually, put quotes around it, fc-match "Sans Serif" |
| 19:33.45 | ssk | same output |
| 19:33.56 | maligor | Sans Serif isn't a real font anyway tho |
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| 19:34.23 | zinx | 'Sans' is what it's called, but yeah, it's a virtual font |
| 19:34.39 | enouf | maligor: ooo .. fc-match is cool ;-) |
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| 19:35.06 | enouf | heh, Sans Serif and Tahoma both return same thing :-P |
| 19:35.23 | enouf | Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman" |
| 19:35.31 | toshiba510cdt | i managed to install lenny on my toshiba 510cdt which is a Pentium 133Mhz laptop and everything works, except X. well, the LCD supports 800x600 at 16bit but at the moment all i can get is 640x480 at 24bit. can anyone help me? |
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| 19:35.51 | zinx | enouf: yay virtual fonts |
| 19:36.08 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: try setting up xorg.conf properly - see xrandr |
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| 19:36.33 | maligor | pentium 133mhz huh |
| 19:36.40 | toshiba510cdt | <enouf> i am a newbie, can you explain that to me in newbie terms? |
| 19:36.43 | enouf | zinx: yeah - i wish there was a console font viewer/selector :-/ |
| 19:36.59 | maligor | enouf, err.. how would that work? |
| 19:37.08 | ssk | seems opera is using own font settings, not the ones from qt config |
| 19:37.19 | zinx | ssk: not surprising |
| 19:37.20 | maligor | enouf, I don't think standard terminal formats support font upload :P |
| 19:37.32 | zinx | maligor: VGA, at least, does |
| 19:37.41 | enouf | toshiba510cdt: well - 1st off - pastebin output of lspci -nn ; cvt -v 800 600 ; xrandr ; grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:37.44 | zinx | maligor: and there's font upload ANSI sequences i do believe |
| 19:37.45 | maligor | oh.. yeah, you mean linux vt |
| 19:38.08 | basix | webtoe, ssk, enouf, thanks a bunch! :) |
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| 19:38.16 | ssk | set to nimbus sans L |
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| 19:38.26 | enouf | maligor: and zinx i have no idea what you're talking about .. lmao .. all i know is i'd like to see how a friggin font looks before i select it to be used |
| 19:38.28 | maligor | zinx, I imagine it'll work display-wide |
| 19:38.36 | enouf | basix: ;-) |
| 19:38.57 | zinx | maligor: yep. but a simple preview app could stuff a subset of the font in to some unused characters |
| 19:39.11 | zinx | maligor: or if you're using fbcon, just draw it :/ |
| 19:39.13 | maligor | mm.. not a bad idea |
| 19:39.17 | enouf | maligor: and zinx in xterm is fine ; in console even better - but i'll settle for xterm :-) |
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| 19:39.54 | maligor | enouf, xterm is a completely different beast, I doubt it supports font uploads :P |
| 19:40.01 | webtoe | how about ascii art representations of the glyphs? |
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| 19:40.12 | enouf | maligor: it should be able to emulate .. anything :-P |
| 19:40.19 | maligor | webtoe, what? like a libcaca font renderer? |
| 19:40.28 | webtoe | yeah |
| 19:40.33 | webtoe | :P |
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| 19:40.41 | enouf | maligor: after all, it is a virtual virtual console :-P |
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| 19:41.08 | maligor | enouf, it's just that... I don't think anyone ever thought it would be necessary to have that feature |
| 19:41.16 | enouf | maligor: i mean windows 98 even has a tool you can use to view all fonts |
| 19:41.40 | maligor | there's xfontsel if you mean that |
| 19:41.45 | webtoe | maligor: no one thought that you'd need to be able to watch movies in ascii... |
| 19:41.47 | maligor | and DE specific stuff |
| 19:41.49 | enouf | oh no .. dear gawd no! |
| 19:41.54 | maligor | xfontsel is dreadful relic tho |
| 19:42.03 | enouf | it's chicken scratcg |
| 19:42.12 | enouf | scratch |
| 19:43.17 | ssk | seems opera alone isnt the root. the font for menu and dialouges is the same but font there is normal. just the menus were the font is not sharp |
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| 19:43.49 | maligor | enouf, there's a bunch of newer apps too tho |
| 19:44.01 | enouf | maligor: for win98? :-) |
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| 19:44.11 | enouf | runs |
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| 19:44.46 | maligor | enouf, yes, I had to work years on virtualbox to make a automated fontupload and then disassemble and hack windows 98 to browse them |
| 19:45.15 | enouf | montoya: you know how one can set the console font in /etc/console-tools/config? why can't i "preview" my choices? |
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| 19:45.22 | maligor | oh wow, never knew there was 'xlsatoms' |
| 19:45.25 | enouf | er maligor |
| 19:45.36 | enouf | montoya: ignore me - bad tab |
| 19:45.42 | montoya | enouf: yes :D |
| 19:46.06 | enouf | maligor: oooo .. nice |
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| 19:46.36 | OpenTokix | Have anyone used minicom with ipmi interfaces for serial-over-lan console? |
| 19:46.50 | maligor | enouf, not a clue about console font stuff, I left that behind ages ago :P |
| 19:46.52 | fseeker | exit |
| 19:47.05 | enouf | maligor: i mean, i'm friggin using vga and vesafb in console .. it's not like it's terminal kernel 8x8 fonts only :-P |
| 19:47.12 | maligor | serial-over-lan? |
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| 19:47.15 | maligor | wth? |
| 19:47.23 | OpenTokix | maligor: yes |
| 19:47.26 | maligor | or you mean like a remote serial port? |
| 19:47.35 | enouf | maligor: or even ... just "emulate" what it would look like in some xterm |
| 19:47.36 | maligor | linked to a actual hw serial |
| 19:47.49 | vader-- | Quick question i have a debian 4.0 box with a 2.4 kernel and im trying to get the headers for it, but aptitude will not show any 2.4 headers only 2.6 kernel headers |
| 19:47.51 | OpenTokix | maligor: no, its linked to the ipmi-stuff |
| 19:48.02 | enouf | OpenTokix: did you know there's a firewire version of console? ;-) |
| 19:48.08 | OpenTokix | enouf: ? |
| 19:48.13 | enouf | er serial console |
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| 19:48.23 | OpenTokix | enouf: how will this help me when I wanna use my ipmi-card? |
| 19:48.29 | enouf | oh - sorry |
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| 19:48.53 | enouf | vader--: /msg dpkg ado |
| 19:49.13 | maligor | OpenTokix, how does minicom fit into it? |
| 19:49.33 | OpenTokix | maligor: It uses a serial interface, over lan to get to a console |
| 19:49.43 | OpenTokix | maligor: and I have no idea how =) |
| 19:49.44 | maligor | you might want to use kermit |
| 19:49.50 | OpenTokix | maligor: sure, kermit works |
| 19:49.54 | enouf | OpenTokix: can gtkterm help? it's like a gui / hyperterminal for linux |
| 19:49.56 | OpenTokix | whatever client works, I can use |
| 19:50.53 | mc68040 | OpenTokix: i use "ipmitool -I lan ..." for that purpose |
| 19:51.09 | OpenTokix | mc68040: ok? |
| 19:51.18 | enouf | tries to imagine a router with all serial ports and no ethernet connectors |
| 19:51.28 | mc68040 | OpenTokix: but thats not serial over lan |
| 19:51.31 | OpenTokix | mc68040: Care to explain more in detail? Reason I am such a noob, all other machines use a awesome kvm over lan |
| 19:51.38 | xingu | hands enouf a 2511 |
| 19:51.56 | xingu | throws a livingston portmaster pm2e in for good measure |
| 19:52.05 | enouf | blesses xingu for the thought, and immediately sends the 2511 to the museum :-P |
| 19:52.47 | enouf | anyone got a punch card reader i can borrow? |
| 19:52.50 | enouf | hides |
| 19:52.55 | OpenTokix | brb, my x11 suddenly died |
| 19:52.56 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 19:52.58 | mc68040 | OpenTokix: i setup the impi network address, a root user with password - both via direct console, like bios sttings |
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| 19:52.59 | xingu | there's one in the glass cabinet at work |
| 19:53.05 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:53.25 | xingu | right next to one of the earliest tickertape machines |
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| 19:53.56 | enouf | xingu: did HPN support for openssh ever make it into Debian - (sorry if i beat this dead horse all the time with you - i can never get the answer straight in my rocks in my head) |
| 19:54.15 | asdf | who be highlightin my window |
| 19:54.31 | enouf | !tease asdf |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | tickles asdf with a feather and makes asdf rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 19:54.47 | OpenTokix | mc68040: ok, yeah the ipmicard have networkdaddress. - But the thing I am not sure of, is how I connect to the console |
| 19:54.47 | xingu | enouf: don't recall it happening |
| 19:54.52 | enouf | twas probably a troll asdf :-P |
| 19:54.59 | enouf | xingu: me neither :-/ |
| 19:55.12 | asdf | enouf: heh everytime i reattach this screen session someone in here has used some example with asdf in it and i think i have a friend... but no |
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| 19:55.16 | enouf | xingu: any other 'distros' it made it into that you know of? |
| 19:55.21 | xingu | enouf: maybe you should package it and save us both some grief :) |
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| 19:55.40 | enouf | oh n03z .. i wish i had the talent ;-) |
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| 19:55.58 | mc68040 | OpenTokix: standard ipmi dont have a console, only some commands to switch power, change boot order, ... |
| 19:56.00 | enouf | i just have no idea why or why not |
| 19:56.02 | xingu | enouf: dunno about other distros, I'm all debian all night (by day I double as a solaris weenie) |
| 19:56.05 | vader-- | which ste can i put in my sources.list that would have thespeakup 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:56.20 | enouf | xingu: it's ok - i'll have dpkg comfort you now ;-) |
| 19:56.25 | enouf | !comfort xingu |
| 19:56.25 | dpkg | There, there, xingu. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:56.38 | OpenTokix | mc68040: but I have some ipmicard with Serial over lan, but not kvm over lan |
| 19:56.55 | enouf | vader--: move off of 2.4 already |
| 19:57.13 | Dan` | Hey easy question, does anyone know if debian has a package for OSS4. I do not seem to be able to find an appropriate package in testing. |
| 19:57.36 | mc68040 | OpenTokix: sorry, i dont know about that |
| 19:58.09 | OpenTokix | mc68040: thanks anyway |
| 19:58.37 | OpenTokix | mc68040: the phat ipmicards are awesome - mount isos over samba etc. |
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| 19:59.53 | creichen | Hi-- I just upgraded sid and found that /dev/dsp and /dev/agpgart aren't working anymore (same kernel as before-- 2.6.22-- proper modules are loaded, agpgart is 10,175 as it is supposed to be.) Any ideas? |
| 19:59.58 | enouf | Dan`: easy? lmao .. er, OSS is no longer kernel supported, so why would it be pkgd? - ~$ apt-cache search open sound is the best i got man |
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| 20:00.45 | creichen | The error is "no such device". |
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| 20:01.10 | enouf | Dan`: you might get some use from http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
| 20:01.16 | Dan` | enouf: yes I have already done that. OSS3 is no longer supported yes, however OSS4 currently supports Intel HDA audio on new motherboards while ALSA does not, so it isn't much of an option. Simply trying to move back to debian from arch. |
| 20:01.25 | Dan` | enouf: i'll check that out, one sec |
| 20:02.05 | enouf | Dan`: well - ALSA allows for OSS er ..emulation - but AFAICT, oss4 is an entirely different setup |
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| 20:02.50 | helo | is it opssible to have a dual-head setup where one monitor can display the console, and the other X? |
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| 20:03.31 | dondelelcaro | helo: there's generally little point |
| 20:03.33 | webtoe | helo: you can use x, then maximise a xterm on the other window? |
| 20:03.37 | Dan` | helo: would a fullscreen terminal work for you? |
| 20:03.42 | webtoe | lol |
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| 20:05.19 | tarzeau | debian doesn't have worldofpadman.com packaged? STILL? |
| 20:05.20 | enouf | helo: just connect the console monitor to the serial port instead of using all the vga/vesa stuff on the dualheaded card? |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: quit slacking .. you're a maintainer |
| 20:06.17 | creichen | At the very least, is there anyone else who has observed these funny issues with properly loaded modules and properly mknod'd /dev/agpgart and /dev/dsp not working after recent updates, or am I the only one with that issue? |
| 20:06.20 | enouf | creichen: upgrade that kernel |
| 20:06.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: maintainers can't do uploads |
| 20:06.29 | enouf | creichen: using ati binary blobs? |
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| 20:06.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what .. get a sponsor |
| 20:06.37 | creichen | enouf: No, i915. |
| 20:06.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: according the wiki.d.o page it's in the games team svn... |
| 20:06.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i wonder why they don't upload it |
| 20:06.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's harder than saying |
| 20:07.00 | enouf | creichen: don't try mknod'ing /dev/agp* |
| 20:07.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got like 10-20 updated packages that i can't get into debian because of that |
| 20:07.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe for you .. i got a dozen! |
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| 20:07.11 | creichen | enouf: I didn't try anything, it was set up properly to begin with. |
| 20:07.20 | enouf | creichen: dmesg | grep -i agp |
| 20:07.21 | creichen | enouf: (As far as I could tell.) |
| 20:07.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you ever package something? or do an update on any debian package? |
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| 20:07.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: what .. being here isn't enough ? |
| 20:07.44 | enouf | creichen: wait, you said; " I just upgraded sid" |
| 20:07.56 | enouf | creichen: and a .22 kernel? from where? |
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| 20:08.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: what do you have sponsors for, when you don't ever need an upload? |
| 20:08.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: drinking problem? :) |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | kidding!! |
| 20:08.38 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:08.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: usually i look at something, and it's already done or superceded |
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| 20:09.17 | creichen | enouf: Custom-rolled 2.6.22 (perfcounter patches etc.) Not looking forward to upgrading, but if that's the easiest solution... |
| 20:09.29 | tarzeau | i can see many many things to be done still. do you play man in the middle with package updates and your sponsors? |
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| 20:09.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean you could just sed -i my name with yours... |
| 20:09.42 | creichen | enouf: Fill_in_dev failed in the DRM driver. That one's completely new. |
| 20:09.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'd maintain them with your ghost name |
| 20:09.52 | sivel | hey guys. Trying to do a new install of lenny. After selecting Desktop, Laptop and Standard, It gets to "retrieving file 809 of 809" and stops |
| 20:09.57 | sivel | anyone run into this? |
| 20:09.58 | abrotman | that wouldn't be honest |
| 20:10.02 | sivel | using the netinst cd |
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| 20:10.07 | abrotman | sivel: slow machine ? |
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| 20:10.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: it would improve debian anyways |
| 20:10.10 | enouf | creichen: i have no idea even which Xorg version you're using, lmao |
| 20:10.26 | sivel | abrotman: no. 3.2GHz 2GB RAM |
| 20:10.32 | abrotman | only 2GB ? |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | sivel: FWIW, most people skip tasksel and install after the base install is done |
| 20:10.57 | sivel | abrotman: it installs faster in a virtual machine limited to 256MB ram |
| 20:11.00 | dethstar | I'm having problems installing firefox instead of iceweasel on lenny.. |
| 20:11.06 | creichen | enouf: Whichever is latest in sid. :-P Anyway, I'll try different kernels. I don't have time this month to do detailed debugging if I can avoid it. |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | dethstar: aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 20:11.44 | enouf | creichen: now, you're starting to act wisely ;-) |
| 20:11.48 | sivel | abrotman: what are the package groups that I can install after skipping tasksel? |
| 20:11.59 | abrotman | sivel: which desktop do you want ? |
| 20:12.02 | dethstar | abrotman, well I was initially wanting to use firefox instead of iceweasel |
| 20:12.05 | sivel | gnome |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | dethstar: why? |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | sivel: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg ... should be enough to get you very far along |
| 20:12.26 | dethstar | because it's my preference |
| 20:12.36 | abrotman | then ask the people that create it |
| 20:12.40 | enouf | creichen: since you won't pastebin what i asked, i'll do it http://rafb.net/p/CUsA0n73.html |
| 20:12.41 | dethstar | abrotman, and I like the iceon |
| 20:12.45 | sivel | abrotman: what about the laptop group? |
| 20:12.45 | abrotman | wtf ... |
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| 20:12.51 | dethstar | s/iceon/icon |
| 20:12.56 | creichen | enouf: Hehe. :-> Thanks, in any case. I was hoping for a light quick fix, but it's time to beat the machine with a stick until it works now. |
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| 20:13.21 | creichen | enouf: No pointing device working atm, so I'm not going to copy & paste anything. |
| 20:13.22 | abrotman | sivel: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 20:13.28 | enouf | creichen: lspci -k | grep agp |
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| 20:13.36 | abrotman | sivel: but i'm going to guess that most of those get pulled by gnome |
| 20:13.41 | enouf | creichen: /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 20:13.59 | vader-- | ok im trying to use aptitude to upgrade the kernel to 2.6 but it's saying i need etch sources |
| 20:13.59 | jackweb | I'm looking for some command-line program to listen to a Shoutcast radio, do you know any? |
| 20:14.11 | sivel | abrotman: thanks...I'll give it a try now |
| 20:14.20 | enouf | creichen: "lspci -k | grep agp" |
| 20:14.20 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1340366 |
| 20:15.01 | creichen | enouf: Whoah! Why didn't anyone tell me before... anyway, `Kernel modules: intel-agp' is all I get. Rebooting now to see whether the new kernel fixes it. |
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| 20:15.38 | m4rtijn | hi all |
| 20:15.58 | enouf | creichen: i'm using a typical .26 -686 lenny kernel |
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| 20:18.43 | m4rtijn | Im quite new to debian.. for a core2duo 300Mhz 64 bit CPU.. which debian Disc should I download? |
| 20:18.48 | m4rtijn | im guessing ia64 |
| 20:19.08 | xingu | !ia64 |
| 20:19.09 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 20:19.09 | valdyn | m4rtijn: im guessing such a cpu does not exist |
| 20:19.16 | m4rtijn | 3000 mhz :p |
| 20:19.30 | halflife08 | m4rtijn: x86, for 32 bit, amd64 fpr 64bit |
| 20:19.47 | m4rtijn | thanks xingu |
| 20:20.07 | OpenTokix | That must be the most common question in this channel |
| 20:20.32 | jamon | OpenTokix: nah, it was "when is lenny going to be released" :p |
| 20:20.35 | m4rtijn | hehe, I tried finding the answer on wiki.debian.org but couldnt |
| 20:20.51 | jamon | m4rtijn: just so you know, your c2d is 64bit as well |
| 20:21.20 | m4rtijn | hmm jamon? |
| 20:21.26 | jamon | ah nm, sorry i see you posted that already |
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| 20:21.42 | OpenTokix | jamon: =) |
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| 20:22.03 | OpenTokix | jamon: Lenny release could not have come more perfect for me |
| 20:22.05 | m4rtijn | so.. I should download the amd64 for a intel cpu? |
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| 20:22.11 | OpenTokix | m4rtijn: yes |
| 20:22.13 | valdyn | i wonder why people dont just google the arches |
| 20:22.19 | enouf | hehe, core2duo @ 300MHz .. rofl |
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| 20:22.30 | m4rtijn | hehe.. small typo |
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| 20:22.36 | OpenTokix | valdyn: I wonder why people dont just google <insert question subject here>? |
| 20:22.42 | jamon | enouf: maybe with 16 cores that'd be ok |
| 20:22.44 | MariusM | can someone tell me what I did wrong here http://pastebin.ca/1340374 (upgrade from Etch > Lenny)? I got lot of package error when i upgraded :( |
| 20:22.47 | enouf | 3G will suffice ... no need for all those 00000000000s |
| 20:22.56 | jackweb | Ok, I've solved that problem. ;) |
| 20:23.04 | abrotman | MariusM: you can comment out the other CDROM line |
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| 20:23.47 | MariusM | abrotman: ok |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | MariusM: and you're giong to have to tell us what the errors are |
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| 20:24.17 | jamon | dethstar: not to revive a mostly pointless discussion, but you can just replace the iceweasel pixmap if you really want to use the firefox icon |
| 20:24.50 | MariusM | abrotman: well it wont install around 100-200 packages :) |
| 20:25.00 | abrotman | MariusM: still need the errors |
| 20:25.00 | MariusM | pff |
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| 20:25.42 | valdyn | MariusM: obviously etch cdroms do not have lenny packages |
| 20:25.50 | MariusM | abrotman: hmm problem is I dont have them |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | where are they? |
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| 20:26.04 | abrotman | thinks they are on the nixon tapes |
| 20:26.07 | Tchaka | hi everyone |
| 20:26.13 | MariusM | abrotman: made the changes yesturday |
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| 20:26.42 | OpenTokix | damn it takes forever to configure a sw-raid in installer |
| 20:26.50 | OpenTokix | enterenterenterenterenterenterenterenterenterenterenter |
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| 20:27.04 | abrotman | !tell OpenTokix about enter |
| 20:27.06 | abrotman | hides |
| 20:27.08 | sepski | jamon, ofcourse, as you said it's pointless and next upgrade will overwrite it |
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| 20:27.17 | dethstar | jamon, well I was going to look at the experimental repositories |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | dethstar: won't do you any good .. at all |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | judd: versions firefox |
| 20:27.43 | judd | abrotman: firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 20:27.47 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 20:27.54 | dethstar | abrotman, alright |
| 20:27.57 | jamon | sepski: i go for the approach that it would at least get him using icweasel and understanding that it is no different than ff |
| 20:28.00 | valdyn | maybe someone could make an iceweasel rebranding package |
| 20:28.02 | dethstar | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:28.09 | valdyn | and just hide the fact that it only rebrands |
| 20:28.13 | MariusM | abrotman: heres what i get when I open synaptic http://pastebin.ca/1340393 |
| 20:28.15 | valdyn | and call the package firefox |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | dethstar: basically .. either use iceweasel (it's basically the same) or get firefox from mozilla |
| 20:28.24 | OpenTokix | abrotman: installed six machines today =) - all with sw-raid - identical setups |
| 20:28.25 | valdyn | ..that should be quite easy |
| 20:28.45 | dethstar | abrotman, tyvm |
| 20:28.47 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Cute tell btw. =) |
| 20:28.48 | Tchaka | if I dont want that the samba daemons are started automatically, how can I do? |
| 20:28.48 | abrotman | MariusM: comment out the CD line .. aptitude update .. see if you still have the error |
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| 20:29.38 | MariusM | abrotman: will try :D |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | or just delete the lines totally |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | just deleted a non-us line from a machine that started long ago |
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| 20:30.31 | abrotman | must have started as potato or woody .. |
| 20:30.32 | toshiba510cdt | <enouf> pastebin.ca/1340396 |
| 20:33.57 | OpenTokix | abrotman: =) |
| 20:34.07 | OpenTokix | abrotman: cute =) |
| 20:34.39 | OpenTokix | abrotman: I remember the bleeding edge moving from 2.2 to 2.4 kernel, with special packages updates beforehand =) |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 20:34.52 | abrotman | i'm old :( |
| 20:34.58 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yes, how old? |
| 20:35.04 | djace | anyone got any idea on why i get a syslog notice ntpdate[9359]: as 00:11:22:33:44:55. every single time i run ntpdate? |
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| 20:39.18 | abrotman | OpenTokix: rock used to be cool :) |
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| 20:40.58 | enouf | djace: why are you using ntpdate? |
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| 20:42.38 | parsifal_ | what's the alternative to gnash? |
| 20:42.40 | parsifal_ | I forget its name |
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| 20:43.31 | maligor | swfdec |
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| 20:44.21 | parsifal_ | thanks maligor :) |
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| 20:45.13 | shinnysilver | Anyone know why no wireless networks will show? (Fresh install of Debian) ~ I just put wicd deb on a usb drive to be able to go online |
| 20:45.26 | nightglider28 | shinnysilver: What chipset? |
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| 20:46.01 | shinnysilver | nightglider28: its... iwl 3945g I think. It used iwl drivers I think |
| 20:46.18 | OpenTokix | abrotman: haha |
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| 20:46.21 | nightglider28 | apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:46.24 | OpenTokix | abrotman: best answer =) |
| 20:46.30 | enouf | shinnysilver: iwlist scan? |
| 20:46.42 | enouf | !iwl3945 |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 20:46.54 | parsifal_ | oh nice, swfdec prompts you to play flash animations, that's cool |
| 20:47.02 | shinnysilver | Oh #*&$ wish I could, but my internet doens't work :P |
| 20:47.03 | parsifal_ | man they're both slow as shit though |
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| 20:47.38 | nightglider28 | shinnysilver: usb? |
| 20:48.17 | nightglider28 | shinnysilver: Put the package on the usb key, chroot, and install. |
| 20:48.29 | djace | enouf, syncing time, what do people use nowadays? |
| 20:48.40 | shinnysilver | <nightglider28> not bad idea! I'll try it. Thanks!! |
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| 20:48.48 | nightglider28 | shinnysilver: np |
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| 20:49.26 | scsinutz | Hello, I have Debian etch which comes with ocfs2 1.2.1 - how can I upgrade to 1.4.1 using apt? Thanks. |
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| 20:50.46 | nightglider28 | I don't use packages on the stable branch that aren't in the stable repos, so the only thing I can recommend is downloading it, manually. |
| 20:51.08 | vader-- | i just upgrade that debian box and now when i log into the box using putty as soon as i type root into the login field putty shuts down |
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| 20:52.12 | nightglider28 | vader--: Have you disabled remote root login through ssh? |
| 20:52.12 | enouf | djace: /msg dpkg ntpdate |
| 20:52.21 | enouf | djace: /msg dpkg ntp (too) |
| 20:52.29 | vader-- | it might have through the update |
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| 20:52.52 | nightglider28 | No, the update shouldn't have. AFAIK, it's not the default setting. |
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| 20:53.21 | vader-- | it has permiterootlogin set to yes |
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| 20:53.49 | nightglider28 | Not usre, then. |
| 20:53.51 | nightglider28 | *sure |
| 20:53.52 | enouf | nightglider28: why do you need to chroot? |
| 20:54.04 | nightglider28 | I don't use putty much, and when I do I don't log in as root. |
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| 20:54.17 | nightglider28 | enouf: He doesn't need it, it just saves him from having to reboot. |
| 20:54.20 | enouf | nightglider28: just boot normally and cp over the .deb |
| 20:54.28 | enouf | then install it |
| 20:54.43 | djace | enouf, thanks! |
| 20:55.05 | nightglider28 | enouf: I'm aware. My instructions let him skip the reboot step... |
| 20:55.07 | enouf | np |
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| 20:55.36 | enouf | nightglider28: but what did he boot into? a usb install? there's no need to reboot in either version |
| 20:55.39 | vader-- | hmm any username and it drops out |
| 20:56.27 | nightglider28 | enouf: He said his internet didn't work. |
| 20:56.32 | enouf | nightglider28: see my point? no networking != no way to mount usb devices |
| 20:56.56 | enouf | nightglider28: he was on this channel, no? he has internet access |
| 20:56.58 | nightglider28 | Did I say anything about not mounting usb drives? |
| 20:57.12 | nightglider28 | No, I don't see your point. |
| 20:57.31 | enouf | ok - live in ignorance then |
| 20:57.50 | vader-- | challenge reponse got turned off |
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| 20:58.17 | nightglider28 | All I said was to copy the .deb for firmware-iwlwifi to the usb key he has debian installed on, chroot, and install. I didn't tell him to boot into the usb environment to save some time. What's confusing you? |
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| 21:09.02 | m4rtijn | hmm, asus doesnt seem to care much about linux users.. :p |
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| 21:09.54 | nightglider28 | m4rtijn: How so? |
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| 21:10.52 | m4rtijn | im looking for some mainboard tools.. including raid utilities.. |
| 21:11.02 | m4rtijn | but the only OS choises are windows |
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| 21:11.36 | smithers | which dvd images are required for installation? |
| 21:11.50 | dondelelcaro | smithers: only the first one, and you don't actually even need it |
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| 21:12.02 | m4rtijn | smithers: only the first CD is necesarry |
| 21:12.14 | maligor | m4rtijn, you mean fakeraid? |
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| 21:12.40 | nightglider28 | lol |
| 21:12.47 | DelphiWorld | hi debian users |
| 21:12.58 | maligor | m4rtijn, linux doesn't need fakeraid |
| 21:13.03 | nightglider28 | maligor: I think it's hardware raid, but the software is for monitoring. :P |
| 21:13.10 | smithers | DelphiWorld: i am not yet a debian user. but the release of v.5.0 has gotten me excited about it |
| 21:13.35 | maligor | I don't think asus makes real raid cards |
| 21:13.35 | OpenTokix | smithers: go for it |
| 21:13.40 | m4rtijn | maligor: ß I dont know what fakeraid is.. I have a hardware RAID 1 |
| 21:13.43 | DelphiWorld | my friends: please anyone chat with me privately about creating a new debian based distro ? |
| 21:13.53 | OpenTokix | m4rtijn: What raidcard? |
| 21:13.55 | m4rtijn | maligor: I was just looking for some monitoring tools on the ASUS website |
| 21:13.55 | nightglider28 | m4rtijn: I beleive he means software raid. Many people hate it. :P |
| 21:14.11 | enouf | nightglider28: so what is he chrooting into? and from what? |
| 21:14.13 | maligor | nightglider28, nothing wrong with sw raid |
| 21:14.21 | stew | m4rtijn: fakeraid is a term used to denote cards which are configurable in bios for raid, but can't actually perform raid functions. they rely on windows drivers to do the actual raid in software |
| 21:14.38 | revlo | is there somewhere a mhh bigger list of changes in ldap stuff (mostly slapd) during the change etch -> lenny then just the slurpd mentioned on the release notes? |
| 21:14.41 | DelphiWorld | please private message me my friend and guide me |
| 21:14.43 | maligor | I think fakeraid is a hack to make windows support raid |
| 21:14.44 | enouf | nightglider28: and most importantly, why |
| 21:14.50 | maligor | sw raid that is |
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| 21:14.51 | DelphiWorld | about creating a new debian distro |
| 21:14.53 | nightglider28 | DelphiWorld: I don't mean to sound condescending and this is just personal opinion, but the last thing we need is a new distribtion. Especially a new debian-based one. Please just contribute to a current one. |
| 21:14.58 | stew | m4rtijn: as a rule of thumb, if the raid is on the motherboard, and the motherboard isn't a server motherboard costing many hundreds of dollars, it is 'fakeraid' |
| 21:15.05 | nightglider28 | maligor: I didn't say there was. i said many people hate it. |
| 21:15.23 | OpenTokix | I can really recommend the areca arc-12XX series of cards. |
| 21:15.37 | nightglider28 | enouf: Into the usb install from whatever he was on to install the package. My instructions allowed him to skip a step. |
| 21:15.37 | m4rtijn | arr, okay stew.. then I guess I have fakeraid |
| 21:15.37 | enouf | Generally, fakeraid is any raid that doesn't have a seperate CPU to do the calculations |
| 21:15.41 | OpenTokix | Really solid cards, hot-swap works perfectly etc. |
| 21:15.44 | DelphiWorld | nightglider28: i want to create a small debian (no RedHat) distro for VoIp |
| 21:15.57 | nightglider28 | enouf: So basically, software raid.. |
| 21:16.00 | enouf | nightglider28: no, your instructions make no sense |
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| 21:16.22 | dusty_ | Hey guys, when creating an ssh tunnel using the -R it always binds the port to the loopback interface, how do i specify or tell it to bind to the external ip so i can actually access it outside of the box from another box ? |
| 21:16.26 | nightglider28 | DelphiWorld: I'm not the one to talk to about creating a new distro. |
| 21:16.27 | stew | m4rtijn: some fakeraid chipsets are suported by the 'dmraid' package, which will be able to get the raid configuration from the bios, and setup linux software raid to adhere to it, see the 'dmraid' package description |
| 21:16.47 | DelphiWorld | nightglider28: no you only but all users here |
| 21:17.00 | DelphiWorld | my friends: i'm waiting for your help |
| 21:17.15 | nightglider28 | I need to study. |
| 21:17.18 | stew | DelphiWorld: is there a reason you would create a distro instead of just using debian? |
| 21:17.19 | enouf | nightglider28: yes, software raid can be categorized as fakeraid, but not necessarily vice versa, since mdadm allows for ANY hardware to access the drives that hold the array - not some special card, with a special BIOS, etc |
| 21:17.21 | m4rtijn | thanks a lot for the info stew |
| 21:17.26 | simonrvn | dusty_: specify the ip ? |
| 21:17.30 | stew | m4rtijn: you're welcome :) |
| 21:17.41 | jamon | DelphiWorld: there's plenty of documentation for what you're after if you search |
| 21:17.51 | DelphiWorld | stew: please is it pocible to chat with me privately ? |
| 21:18.05 | DelphiWorld | reason: i'm blind and i dont have the capability to read this chat room |
| 21:18.20 | DelphiWorld | but private message will help me 100% a pocible |
| 21:18.21 | dusty_ | simonrvn, i do - i specify 9999:external_ip:9999 |
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| 21:18.40 | simonrvn | ip:port:ip:port |
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| 21:18.53 | nightglider28 | enouf: I'm not debating semantics. |
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| 21:19.51 | kantor | hi |
| 21:20.09 | kombi | got stable in sources.list and did dist-upgrade up to where the kernel needs to be changed. Just realized I could have put etch in sources.list and rest in peace some more. Can I still do that now? |
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| 21:20.21 | enouf | nightglider28: ok, we're off the raid thing - now - what's wrong with Booting the debian system, plugging in the USB key that contains the .deb, cp over the .deb, dpkg -i filename.deb - done - where is there any chroot involved there? |
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| 21:20.23 | Winnipeg_Guy | !blacklist |
| 21:20.23 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 21:20.28 | scsinutz | is it recommended to install a lenny package on a etch machine? |
| 21:21.08 | enouf | nightglider28: chroot presumes there are atleast 2 separate / filesystems available |
| 21:21.26 | kantor | I have a big request: could somebody test a program for me ? because I fixed a but and I would like to see if it work on other system too . . |
| 21:21.31 | nightglider28 | enouf: Because the installation that needs the .deb is on the usb key... |
| 21:21.48 | simonrvn | scsinutz: just upgrade to lenny... |
| 21:22.07 | nightglider28 | And I wasn't saying rebooting was wrong, I just said chroot because it was faster. |
| 21:22.13 | Winnipeg_Guy | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 21:22.13 | dpkg | i heard blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 21:22.37 | enouf | nightglider28: if that were the case, the .deb would already be on it - so, let's do this; boot into USB key - dpkg -i filename.deb - done - where's the chroot?> |
| 21:22.38 | Winnipeg_Guy | That command returns an error, saying "Package 'linux-image-' is not installed. |
| 21:23.28 | enouf | nightglider28: who's said anything about rebooting except for you>? And .. i apologize for seeming to be a hard ass, i |
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| 21:23.45 | nightglider28 | enouf: You didn't read what I said. I told you the instructions I gave were faster, not that rebooting wouldn't work. |
| 21:23.47 | enouf | i'm not - i'm just trying to understand what the f you're talking about ;) |
| 21:24.07 | enouf | gives up |
| 21:24.19 | renton_ | i dist-upgraded to squeeze, and i rebooted the pc, is it normal that on Login prompt (on terminal) i still see "linux debian 5 ? |
| 21:25.00 | kombi | you should see naked women there! something's wrong.. |
| 21:25.15 | Winnipeg_Guy | I am trying to update my initramfs... because I have added modules to it that I want blacklisted. Doing what dpkg says returns an error. I tried this, without quotes, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname-r)" |
| 21:25.35 | nightglider28 | 21:22 < enouf> nightglider28: if that were the case, the .deb would already be on it - so, let's do this; *boot* into USB key - dpkg -i filename.deb - done - where's the chroot?> <--you mentioned rebooting. Assuming one machine, you'd have to shut down one install to boot another. |
| 21:25.39 | enouf | what did the error say Winnipeg_Guy ? |
| 21:25.42 | enouf | oh |
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| 21:25.52 | enouf | Winnipeg_Guy: uname -r |
| 21:26.33 | enouf | nightglider28: what on earth!? ... good gawd man ... |
| 21:26.45 | Winnipeg_Guy | enouf: A bunch of errors. First, "-bash: uname-r: command not round" Oh.. a space. Let me try that. |
| 21:26.59 | sneezewort | Does anyone recommend a PCI-X SAS card with an external connector that works well with Debian? |
| 21:27.03 | Winnipeg_Guy | enouf: Huh. Yup. Thanks for the sharp eyes. |
| 21:27.03 | enouf | heh - i missed that too Winnipeg_Guy :-P |
| 21:27.09 | m4rtijn | i quite feel like those mainboard companies taking a piss on me.. all this time im thinking i have a hardware raid system.. and only because of a linux installation I notice that i was being fooled.. :) |
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| 21:27.26 | enouf | i was actually asking what uname -r output :-P |
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| 21:27.35 | nightglider28 | m4rtijn: Most mobo raid is in the software. |
| 21:27.52 | renton_ | why i still see Debian 5 after upgrading to squeeze? |
| 21:27.57 | Winnipeg_Guy | enouf: :) i'll still give you credit. |
| 21:28.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:28.19 | aburch | renton_: It was not yet changed in squeeze/sid. |
| 21:28.19 | jamon | renton_: still frozen iirc |
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| 21:28.25 | renton_ | ok thanks |
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| 21:29.12 | eeg3_ | Why did the debian team decide to ship with 2.6.26 when 2.6.27 is the new LTS kernel? |
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| 21:29.31 | jamon | eeg3: because debian != ubuntu |
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| 21:29.54 | stew | eeg3: what do you mean by "LTS kernel"? |
| 21:30.02 | eeg3 | What does that have to do with Adrian Bunk saying .27 is the long term support kernel? |
| 21:30.03 | enouf | sneezewort: just check the Chip on the card, then make sure it's in the kernel - or a module |
| 21:30.07 | nightglider28 | eeg3: Because the kernel version with odd numbers in the third decimal are considered development kernels. |
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| 21:30.26 | jamon | nightglider28: they stopped doing that a while ago afaik |
| 21:30.33 | eeg3 | http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/11/235 |
| 21:30.36 | enouf | nightglider28: uh ... |
| 21:30.41 | eeg3 | 2.6.16 has become a bit dated, and I'll maintain 2.6.27 for a few years |
| 21:30.41 | eeg3 | as a replacement. |
| 21:30.47 | nightglider28 | jamon: I didn't think they had done it, yet. |
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| 21:31.08 | nightglider28 | jamon: They've already moved onto the new kernel versioning scheme? |
| 21:31.09 | stew | eeg3: this announcement came at least 4 months after lenny had already frozen |
| 21:31.23 | stew | err maybe only three, but, months after lenny had frozen |
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| 21:31.38 | nightglider28 | turns back to his books. |
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| 21:31.48 | stew | nightglider28: /msg dpkg kernel of instability |
| 21:31.51 | enouf | eeg3: you realize our .26 also has a high minor revision number? |
| 21:32.01 | eeg3 | Seems like a pretty big deal to not use the kernel that was declared to be for long term support? |
| 21:32.11 | blubberdiblub | probably because the debian kernal maintainers have put a huge amount of work in patching the .26 kernel for such a long time and it would probably have taken another couple of months to get .27 up to par, which would have delayed the lenny release even further. but that's just a guess |
| 21:32.21 | enouf | right |
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| 21:32.24 | jamon | nightglider28: think it was with the beginning of the 2.6.x version, though the habit of using even numbers might not be dead |
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| 21:32.41 | stew | eeg3: when debian releases a kernel with its stable, it ensures that the kernel will be fully supported as long as the stable release is supported |
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| 21:33.01 | nightglider28 | stew: Interesting, thanks. |
| 21:33.40 | nightglider28 | jamon: I read an article about it in LPM a couple months ago and forgot about it since then. :P |
| 21:33.50 | eeg3 | stew: Would've been nice to have two teams ensuring support for the kernel, but it'll be ok :) |
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| 21:35.02 | stew | eeg3: I'd bet that > 95% of the security fixes that are backported to 2.6.27 will apply cleanly to 2.6.26 |
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| 21:35.35 | evanpro | Hi all |
| 21:35.55 | eeg3 | stew: as long as 100% are backported one way or the other |
| 21:36.02 | evanpro | I'm looking for a doc for best practices on maintaining a package whose upstream uses Git for VC |
| 21:36.04 | stew | eeg3: yes, 100% will be backported |
| 21:36.06 | matt7676 | How can I rename all the .mp3 files in a folder to .mp3_old using some kind of loop(while loop for example) and mv command? |
| 21:36.13 | evanpro | Most of the docs I've seen assume that upstream uses some other VC system |
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| 21:36.21 | dondelelcaro | matt7676: find + xargs + rename |
| 21:36.32 | stew | eeg3: (for security related bugs that is) |
| 21:36.43 | dondelelcaro | evanpro: see git-buildpackage for example |
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| 21:38.49 | DelphiWorld | please my friends: any guide here ? |
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| 21:39.31 | celrts | I'm trying to install Java 6 SDK on amd64 |
| 21:40.09 | celrts | make-jpkg fails on "no matching plugin was found" |
| 21:40.58 | evanpro | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'd seen that. Seems like most of it is about starting from an upstream tarball. |
| 21:41.15 | Tramp | matt7676: for f in *.mp3; do mv "$f" "${f}_old"; done - if you talk about subdirectories too, use find ... -exec |
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| 21:42.19 | dondelelcaro | evanpro: yeah, since that's pretty much the case when you're packaging for Debian |
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| 21:43.31 | evanpro | dondelelcaro: I think I can work with this |
| 21:43.52 | evanpro | So, "master" is your debianized branch, and "upstream" is upstream |
| 21:44.18 | evanpro | I just set up a repo in collab-maint on alioth, and pushed the upstream to master there |
| 21:44.53 | evanpro | So I think if I clone the alioth repo to my local machine, then set up upstream to track upstream, things will be good |
| 21:44.57 | evanpro | I _think_ |
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| 21:47.30 | cmanns | Anybody have a suggestion for switching interfaces? The onboard nic drops packgets, errors, etc. Somehow it was switched back, on this box for some reason doing anything with a interface and a static ip will cause it to just hang after restarting "networking". |
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| 21:48.00 | celrts | how does one set the gtk engines path for 32-bit apps alone? |
| 21:48.15 | cmanns | It's a remote server, so I was thinking of just setting a priv lan ip on the good nic, since it's a database server that'd be fine. |
| 21:48.29 | eeesoteric | I'd just like to congratulate all the debian devs on a great job in making lenny! Just installed it in a VM and it looks excellent :) |
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| 21:48.52 | Raven007 | looks? |
| 21:49.03 | eeesoteric | appears |
| 21:49.09 | eeesoteric | erm, feels |
| 21:49.11 | Raven007 | oh, graphically |
| 21:49.18 | eeesoteric | not just graphically |
| 21:49.42 | celrts | and this is the 32-bit edition, I take it? |
| 21:49.51 | eeesoteric | no 64-bit |
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| 21:50.20 | eeesoteric | oh I have to go, see you guys later! |
| 21:50.24 | celrts | oh, what VM allows you to run 64 |
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| 21:50.25 | celrts | bye |
| 21:50.47 | Raven007 | celrts: vmware ? |
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| 21:51.51 | celrts | Raven007: meh, pretty much stuck with virtualbox now. vmware's whole browser plugin thing is really unresponsive |
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| 21:52.31 | Raven007 | it also has operations commands from CLI |
| 21:52.35 | unitypunk | how do i set permissions so i can copy things to my smb share? |
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| 21:52.40 | Raven007 | but not that simple :) |
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| 21:53.04 | celrts | well I can see if I just wanted to virtualize 20 or so systems on a server |
| 21:53.17 | Raven007 | unitypunk: those things should be available to $everybody ? |
| 21:53.25 | unitypunk | huh>? |
| 21:53.34 | Raven007 | or only to you |
| 21:53.42 | unitypunk | i have to log into my smb share |
| 21:54.11 | Raven007 | do you have access to samba server ? |
| 21:54.17 | unitypunk | yeah |
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| 21:54.49 | unitypunk | i can read but not write |
| 21:54.54 | Raven007 | give write rights for the samba user / uid on that dir |
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| 21:55.07 | unitypunk | how? |
| 21:55.15 | Raven007 | man chmod |
| 21:55.20 | Raven007 | chmod +w |
| 21:55.21 | unitypunk | k |
| 21:55.48 | Raven007 | if you wanted for everybody to be able to r/w in there |
| 21:55.57 | Raven007 | it was simple : chmod 666 :) |
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| 21:56.48 | Raven007 | safer is to just chmod u+w |
| 21:56.57 | unitypunk | as root or as user? |
| 21:57.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i dont like the numerical method |
| 21:57.02 | Raven007 | root |
| 21:57.21 | Raven007 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: depends on how you're used to it |
| 21:57.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes thats right |
| 21:57.53 | Raven007 | or if you can count in binary :) |
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| 22:02.09 | makghosh | hi, i am using debian etch |
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| 22:02.41 | AndiM | hi guys! anyone advising against doing a remote Lenny upgrade via aptitude upgrade? Would hate to lose connection in between... |
| 22:03.11 | makghosh | i updated postgresql-8.3-postgis package from 8.1 from etch-backports repository |
| 22:03.54 | makghosh | but now i require to revert back to postgresql-8.1, postgresql-8.1-postgis |
| 22:04.18 | AndiM | or, asked differently, are there positive experiences with remote upgrades? |
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| 22:04.47 | makghosh | how do i do that without affecting the databases already present in postgresql |
| 22:04.48 | makghosh | ?? |
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| 22:06.05 | AndiM | hmm, no "DON'T DO IT!!" squeaks, thus, well... I'll do it :) |
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| 22:07.17 | makghosh | typically i want to rollback the postgresql & postgis without affecting the existing table/dbs |
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| 22:08.47 | makghosh | please help! its' urgent...i'm a new debian user |
| 22:09.07 | lepine_w | is there a reason why installing openssh-server installed a bunch of x related libs? |
| 22:09.13 | lepine_w | (on lenny of course) |
| 22:09.41 | makghosh | would $aptitude remove and $aptitude install again do the job for me?? |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | lepine_w: recommends most likely |
| 22:10.09 | lepine_w | abrotman: ok, but why would ssh care about x? |
| 22:10.18 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 22:10.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | for example ? |
| 22:10.24 | lepine_w | ah! |
| 22:10.26 | abrotman | maybe ? |
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| 22:10.40 | magyar_ | ola |
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| 22:10.58 | abrotman | lepine_w: apt-cache show openssh-server .. xauth is a recommends |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | same with -client |
| 22:11.45 | lepine_w | ok, gotcha, prefered checking here before submitting a bogus bug |
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| 22:12.09 | abrotman | lepine_w: apt-cache show <foo> .. always check the recommends if it doesn't quite make sense |
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| 22:12.47 | lepine_w | note taken |
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| 22:13.54 | lepine_w | abrotman: how does one go about not installing recommended packages? |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | lepine_w: you could also use `aptitude why xauth` |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | lepine_w: aptitude -R install foo |
| 22:14.07 | lepine_w | wait, i'll google the man page |
| 22:14.14 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am having trouble with syntax of find command to find files that were created today starting at 00.01, i figured using -daystart -mtime 1 should work, but ain't i guess i am missing something |
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| 22:16.49 | enouf | -mtime -1 |
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| 22:17.42 | enouf | and make sure you FS mount isn't skewing mtime, however possible, i don't know, i know with atime it is easily doable |
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| 22:19.35 | enouf | lepine_w: you could add this if you want to turn off Recommends in apt; |
| 22:19.36 | enouf | $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 22:19.37 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 22:19.55 | lepine_w | oh, cool |
| 22:20.23 | lepine_w | any side effects i should be aware about? I'm just trying to run a system as minimal as possible |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | it won't install recommends :) |
| 22:20.56 | lepine_w | figures :) |
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| 22:26.46 | careta | hey people |
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| 22:32.54 | sivel | what do I need to do to get nm-applet to start on boot/login? |
| 22:33.22 | sivel | nm-applet wont start as a non privileged user so I can't just set it up to start on login for me user |
| 22:33.26 | sivel | s/me/my |
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| 22:34.28 | shirwa | is GNS3 package part of lenny stable repository or do i have to enable unstable repository? |
| 22:35.01 | abrotman | check at packages.debian.org |
| 22:35.59 | sivel | hmm...I think nm-applet is running. it just doesn't show in my system tray |
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| 22:37.36 | shirwa | abrotman: debian packages sites show http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/gns3. but when i search it in the repository it doesnt show. # aptitude search gns3 |
| 22:37.45 | pl4yer0ne | morn all |
| 22:37.46 | rahsputin | Hi! I have a PalmOne Zire 31. is it possible to install Debian to it ? |
| 22:37.56 | abrotman | shirwa: do you have non-free repos enabled ? |
| 22:38.47 | shirwa | abrotman: no, do you advice me to enable it or to install gns3 manually |
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| 22:41.52 | pl4yer0ne | rahsputin, Dont think so... Dont think the CPU is supported. -checking- |
| 22:42.33 | shirwa | abrotman: i have enable non-free repo, its working. Thanks |
| 22:43.22 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: hm, ok, thanx |
| 22:43.24 | rahsputin | ;) |
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| 22:45.34 | SQlvpapir | sweet http://www.combimouse.com/ |
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| 22:45.56 | pl4yer0ne | rahsputin, wait it should be supported i think dude. |
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| 22:46.16 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: ohh, that would be great!! |
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| 22:46.50 | rdz_ | did lsof significantly change from etch to lenny? |
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| 22:47.36 | scally | I have a usb to serial adapter, but can only connect to the port as root, do I need to be added to a certain group to have access to this? |
| 22:48.55 | dondelelcaro | scally: depends on the permissions of the serial port |
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| 22:50.08 | dondelelcaro | scally: normally it's root:dialout 0660, so if you were a member of the dialout group, you could connect |
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| 22:50.36 | pl4yer0ne | rahsputin, basically its an ARM processor but I don't know if its actually possible to install on that device. |
| 22:50.49 | scally | dondelelcaro: I am a member of dialout |
| 22:51.15 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: ok, where did you find that info? |
| 22:51.34 | scally | when I connected, it showed as /dev/ttyUSB0, so I added myself to the tty group, but that didnt work either..and I also dont really know what Im doing, lol |
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| 22:53.11 | semper | hi |
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| 22:53.55 | flokuehn | =Projektarbeit - Abschlusspruefung 2009= |
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| 22:54.19 | paulfitzpatrick | are there still security issues with pptp on debian? |
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| 22:54.45 | pl4yer0ne | rahsputin, a cross between the release info on debian.org and wikipedia (for cpu info) |
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| 22:55.21 | geekaia | hi i has some problem to mount an device |
| 22:55.32 | geekaia | has any people to help me |
| 22:55.39 | rahsputin | geekaia: what problem ? |
| 22:55.49 | geekaia | my problem is that |
| 22:55.55 | geekaia | i type fdisk -l |
| 22:56.07 | semper | i just wont get that unfree adobe flash player running. it's downloaded, converted installed shows up ok in synaptic etc.. but just wont show up pages like ikea or garageband. even edited the .mozilla from the former installed free 0.4 to the unfree 10. .. i just don't know .. any ideas to get this running? |
| 22:56.18 | geekaia | and the device of my usb card is not show |
| 22:56.21 | geekaia | to mount |
| 22:56.21 | pl4yer0ne | rahsputin, check this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ch02s01.html.en |
| 22:56.35 | pl4yer0ne | seems it most likely isnt actually supported |
| 22:56.48 | geekaia | have time that it is showed |
| 22:56.55 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: :( ;) |
| 22:57.00 | geekaia | and it is mounted automaticaly |
| 22:57.15 | pl4yer0ne | the cpu in the zire is xscale and only one xscale cpu is supported and that aint it. |
| 22:57.21 | geekaia | but it now is connected perfectly |
| 22:57.34 | geekaia | and it is not showered in command fdisk |
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| 22:58.04 | giusef | Hi all. After ad upgrade I have this message: Current status: 0 updates [-55] - what does the "-55" mean? |
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| 22:58.10 | geekaia | but the with command lsusb |
| 22:58.15 | geekaia | show the device |
| 22:58.30 | pl4yer0ne | geekaia, have a look at the last few lines of the command "dmesg" |
| 22:58.37 | geekaia | I have using the kernel 2.6.27-11-generic |
| 22:58.48 | rahsputin | geekaia: i dont understand the problem, you say if you do # fdisk -l it doesn't show, but it is mounted automatically? |
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| 22:59.33 | geekaia | not |
| 22:59.34 | scally | Had to add myself to the uucp group. |
| 22:59.49 | geekaia | he show only I boot the computer |
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| 23:00.27 | pl4yer0ne | geekaia, see what i said above - unplug the device - plug it back in and then check dmesg |
| 23:00.27 | geekaia | and passed a few minuted |
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| 23:00.30 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: lol, what sorry coincidence |
| 23:00.36 | geekaia | ok |
| 23:01.19 | geekaia | the command show the folow message: [ 1029.715540] allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. |
| 23:01.19 | geekaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.22 | acu | I use VLC for most videos - however I get only sound when I play mp4 files - can anyone help out ? |
| 23:01.34 | geekaia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:02.20 | geekaia | [ 583.768684] Write-error on swap-device (254:0:310408) |
| 23:02.41 | geekaia | What may be the problem? |
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| 23:03.10 | pl4yer0ne | well it sounds like your swap device is screwed for a start |
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| 23:03.55 | geekaia | What is the solution for this problem? |
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| 23:04.58 | pl4yer0ne | but you are looking for lines that start like thus: usb 5-6.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0204, idProduct=6025 |
| 23:05.06 | pl4yer0ne | similar to that not exactly the same |
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| 23:05.54 | rahsputin | geekaia: why don't you Paste your $ dmesg to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 23:05.57 | pl4yer0ne | yeah do that |
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| 23:08.10 | geekaia | the website has returned to me the follow url: http://rafb.net/p/O3nDpq68.html |
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| 23:09.18 | hd|4 | hi |
| 23:09.25 | hd|4 | how do I use wget with SOCKS proxies? |
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| 23:09.44 | rahsputin | geekaia: is it a fresh installation of Debian ? |
| 23:09.53 | geekaia | no |
| 23:10.39 | geekaia | it is a Ubuntu Hard distro upgraded to Ubuntu intrepid Ibex on kernel 2.6.27-11-generic |
| 23:10.57 | mns | What's a good GUI partition app ? |
| 23:11.08 | geekaia | gparted |
| 23:11.15 | hd|4 | I wanna use wget --ftp-user=** --ftp-password=** -r 1 --proxy-user=g*** --proxy-password=***c ftp://***er.com:3** |
| 23:11.27 | hd|4 | but wget says |
| 23:11.29 | geekaia | gparted is good GUI |
| 23:11.29 | hd|4 | --2009-02-18 00:11:48-- http://1/ Connecting to 1|0.0.0.1|:80... |
| 23:11.34 | mns | geekaia: thanks |
| 23:11.35 | hd|4 | how do I make it work? |
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| 23:12.06 | oOarthurOo | I just installed Lenny fresh from a cd... what is this volatile repo I see in sources.list |
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| 23:13.31 | meteor-1500 | hi i've got a bit of a problem with debian installer, installing over an exisiting partition |
| 23:13.44 | meteor-1500 | it gets to installing base system then fails on chroot mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 23:13.54 | semper | any solutions to the flash item? |
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| 23:14.51 | pl4yer0ne | geekaia, looks like your swap is corrupt or failing and thats making the mount fail |
| 23:16.04 | pl4yer0ne | oOarthurOo, volatile is a repo for stuff that changes often like AV updates / spamassassin etc |
| 23:16.21 | pl4yer0ne | so its not "stable" but it is needed sometimes. |
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| 23:17.13 | pl4yer0ne | but srlsy RTFM - google debian volatile and its the very first link. |
| 23:17.31 | semper | well next.. is there a gui for clam? |
| 23:17.39 | pl4yer0ne | semper, clamtk |
| 23:17.43 | rahsputin | or type !volatile |
| 23:17.57 | rahsputin | pl4yer0ne: thanx for the help ;) see ya round |
| 23:18.04 | pl4yer0ne | no worries |
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| 23:18.17 | pl4yer0ne | if you want me just ding the nick =) |
| 23:18.27 | oOarthurOo | Yeah... I could google it.. but I like the social interaction of an irc room. Maybe if google told me to RTFM once in a while I'd enjoy using it more. |
| 23:18.47 | oOarthurOo | Thanks for the answer though... |
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| 23:19.12 | geekaia | and What I can do when it occur? |
| 23:19.22 | geekaia | reformat the partition swap? |
| 23:19.27 | dkr | I was going to oOarthurOo++ but the fake gratitude and irresponsible use of ellipses negated it. ;) oOarthurOo-- |
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| 23:20.09 | oOarthurOo | My period key sticks. |
| 23:21.08 | oOarthurOo | I mean, sticks.... |
| 23:21.08 | dkr | oOarthurOo: another option is to read the release notes. They explain that volatile was added to the stable release |
| 23:21.09 | dkr | (and what it is) |
| 23:22.04 | semper | ok anyone to answer a Q to cupswrapper (especially getting an brother mpc-235c on board?) |
| 23:22.06 | dkr | on the other hand, I've read the release notes but haven't upgraded yet, so maybe you are better off than me. :) |
| 23:22.55 | pasky | Hi! How can I tell apt-get install to automatically accept package license? -y and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive don't do it |
| 23:23.01 | semper | thx pl4yer0ne missed ya post |
| 23:23.06 | flokuehn | hi.i asked dpkg for vpn. besides others there is this link http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/\~tbird/vpn.html. this link is dead. |
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| 23:26.18 | semper | @pl4yer0ne there's no clamtk to be found within a synaptic etch search? websearch->manual install ?? |
| 23:26.19 | dkr | flokuehn: I fixed it. thanks. btw, any of us can fix factoids with factoidname =~ s/// |
| 23:27.21 | pl4yer0ne | semper, hmmm maybe its only in testing... which means it "should" be in lenny |
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| 23:28.04 | pl4yer0ne | if your going to manually install something you may want a better one than clamtk, i find it a bit crappy. |
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| 23:30.43 | dkr | I fear for the coming generation that thinks "your" is an abbreviation for "you are" due to all the times the mistake is made this generation. damn you, evolving languages! |
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| 23:33.53 | semper | after updating all packs from etch to lenny using apt i get a nice system and not some mixed up stuff igot by updating suse 10.3 to 11? this was the reason to qhit with novell.. |
| 23:35.07 | pasky | hmm, it seems like there is just no way to avoid the licence :( |
| 23:36.22 | kombi | how do i switch of ipv6? |
| 23:36.22 | semper | or is it still better to reinstall and keep the home partition? |
| 23:36.25 | semper | killall ipv6? |
| 23:36.48 | icebrain | semper: you shouldn't have any problems, just new versions of stuff, AFAIK |
| 23:37.04 | kombi | semper: you don't know what ipv6 is...;) |
| 23:37.19 | icebrain | semper: I didn't try that upgrade, but etch stable to lenny testing went fine |
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| 23:38.01 | semper | @kombi no just killing time with stupidity .. sorry i'll look it up |
| 23:38.13 | oOarthurOo | kombi: blacklist it |
| 23:38.27 | kombi | sigh... |
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| 23:39.37 | oOarthurOo | kombi: lsmod | grep ipv6 ... you'll see a module.. you blacklist that module. you will then have no ipv6 support. |
| 23:40.20 | kombi | it's the thing with bind9 insisting on ipv6 and throwing bazillions of FORMERR in the logs. oOarthurOo: thanks, I'll try that..;) |
| 23:41.01 | damjan | kombi: I'm not seeing any errors in named.log |
| 23:41.37 | kombi | damjan: good for you;) check daemon.log though |
| 23:42.27 | damjan | kombi: actually .. I'm not on debian currently .. I thought I was in another channel.. sorry |
| 23:42.43 | kombi | np |
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| 23:43.16 | kombi | we all have secret other distros..;) |
| 23:44.12 | dkr | my logs are full with messages due to blacklisting ipv6, heh |
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| 23:44.54 | g00se | Something weird - just tried to aptitude -s dist-upgrade and was told - nothing to be done?? |
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| 23:45.13 | kombi | g00se: have you checked sources list? |
| 23:45.37 | pasky | why is debian making life hardfor me :( |
| 23:45.59 | g00se | kombi: yes s/etch/lenny after backup |
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| 23:47.09 | themill | g00se: you ran aptitude update after editing your sources.list, didn't you? |
| 23:47.39 | themill | g00se: you've also read and are following the upgrade instructions in the release notes, aren't you? |
| 23:47.42 | g00se | themill: No - just tried to simulate dist-upgrade |
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| 23:47.58 | g00se | themill: Yes, i've read them |
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| 23:48.16 | themill | g00se: so you missed the step of updating apt's list of available packages.... aptitude update. |
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| 23:48.47 | themill | g00se: and remember that you don't actually do the dist-upgrade until you've done quite a few other steps. |
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| 23:49.02 | g00se | themill: Didn't know it was necessary sorry |
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| 23:49.58 | themill | g00se: aptitude update is necessary on a regular basis to pic up security updates as well as being necessary every time you change your sources.list |
| 23:50.35 | dkr | it's also a good idea to follow the instructions you read rather than skip parts, :) |
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| 23:51.12 | stoned | man |
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| 23:51.34 | stoned | vectormagic has a much better trace algorithm than inkscape |
| 23:51.39 | stoned | but vectormagic costs money! |
| 23:51.54 | stoned | :/ |
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| 23:52.08 | stoned | and why is this #debian ffs |
| 23:52.08 | g00se | themill: Oh yes, i do it. Never done dist-upgrade before though |
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| 23:52.24 | stoned | this is supposed to be not debian ... damn irssi |
| 23:52.33 | themill | !fix stoned |
| 23:52.33 | dpkg | takes stoned to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 23:52.44 | Gumby | Hi all, I am creating a .deb and I was wondering how I go about setting up an end user prompt when a config file is going to be replaced. Does anyone here know? |
| 23:53.32 | Gumby | hrm... any ops around I can message about an onjoin pm in this channel? |
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| 23:54.05 | g00se | themill: Thanks. Only potential problem could be having forgotten what came from backports. Can i query to find out |
| 23:54.07 | Gumby | :) |
| 23:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: just mentioning it is good enough |
| 23:54.21 | Gumby | dondelelcaro, cool |
| 23:54.35 | Gumby | goes back to quietly searching for an answer |
| 23:54.45 | plsd | If I set automatic updates to "install security updates without confirmation" I won't ever have to think about updates again right? 'cause security updates is _all_ stable gets? |
| 23:54.57 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: if the config file is a conffile, it happens for you automatically |
| 23:55.09 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: otherwise you need to use ucf or similar to deal with the prompting in the postinst |
| 23:55.18 | Gumby | dondelelcaro, I see. And are the conf files defined somewhere or are they just .conf ? |
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| 23:56.34 | themill | g00se: it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Remove backports.org from your sources.list, aptitude update and then /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 23:56.37 | semper | will try now .. apt-get dist-upgrade.. is this really that easy and intelligent .. there was an issue on intelligence concerning relational stuff i almost recall ;)) |
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| 23:57.44 | g00se | themill: Thanks. But is there a way of querying as it happens? |
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| 23:58.13 | themill | g00se: as what happens? the dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:58.31 | g00se | themill: No, to find out what came from backports |
| 23:58.44 | mns | What's a good file system type to create for a disk that is 1TB in size ? ext3 ? jfs ? xfs ? |
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| 23:59.12 | themill | g00se: there's no definitive way, but "dpkg -l | grep ~bpo" will probably do a fair job for you. |
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| 23:59.20 | Stilgar^ | mns, ext3 has given me good performance on WD 1TB usb disk |
| 23:59.29 | semper | isn't it a Q of what size ya general files are? |
| 23:59.30 | themill | g00se: also, /msg dpkg list repositories |
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| 23:59.53 | semper | sure XFS has a great reputation |
| 23:59.59 | mns | Stilgar^: thanks. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 ? or any extra options ? |
